From olivia at rocketbandit.com Sun Sep 1 02:03:06 2002 From: olivia at rocketbandit.com (Olivia) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:03:06 -0400 Subject: HP Nimbus 2000 Toy Broom - Obscene or Innocent? Message-ID: <000b01c2515b$b688fd20$9ca2e3d8@agstme.adelphia.net> Apparently, one of the latest Harry Potter merchandise tie-ins is beginning to cause a minor controversy among parents. Besides making "cute sound effects," apparently it vibrates as well and a few parents of adolescent girls are either outraged by the toy or amazed at the hours of time their daughters are spending with it in their rooms. Check out some of the reviews at Amazon.com. (Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/custome r-reviews/ref%3Dcm%5Fcr%5Fdp%5F2%5F1/102-210%20%201900-7994552/002-0127401-8 666465) "When my 12 year old daughter asked for this for her birthday, I kind of wondered if she was too old for it, but she seems to LOVE it. Her friends love it too! They play for hours in her bedroom with this great toy. They really seem to like the special effects it offers (the sound effects and vibrating). My oldest daughter (17) really likes it too! I reccomend this for all children." "My 12 year old daughter is a big Harry Potter fan, and loved the part with the Nimbus 2000, so I decided to buy her this toy. I was afraid she would think it was too babyish, but she LOVES this toy. Even my daughter's friends enjoy playing with this fun toy. I was surprised at how long they can just sit in her room and play with this magic broomstick! A great buy for any Harry Potter fan! :)" "This toy was #1 on my daughter's Christmas list. So what the heck, although it has no educational value I figured it would be good for imaginative play. It wasn't until after she opened her gift and started playing with it that I realized that the toy may offer a more than sensational experience. The broomstick has cute sound effects and ***VIBRATES*** when they put it between their legs to fly. Come on---what were the creators of this toy thinking? She'll keep playing with the Nimbus 2000, but with the batteries removed." ;) Olivia From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Sun Sep 1 04:13:53 2002 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 04:13:53 -0000 Subject: out of the mouths of babes . . . Message-ID: I have to share this . . . We were in the car on a fairly long ride recently and my five year old was playing with Lego!Harry, Hermione and Ron. He brought a little play "house" with him and asked me if I wanted to be Hermione (thank goodness, I wasn't driving). Anyhow, as Lego!Hermione went into the house, Lego!Ron was lying on the floor, next to the place setting on the table (how appropriate). When Lego!Hermione asked what Lego!Ron was doing, my five year old (who was being Lego!Harry) replied, "He's sleeping. You {Hermione} can go sleep on top of him." WELL, IMAGINE MY SURPRISE!! I was sitting in the car trying not to burst into laughter! You know what they say, that children can usually see right through things!! Was he being prophetic here???:b Enjoy! Anna . . . From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 12:19:09 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! Message-ID: <20020902121909.22642.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> *drags out the trusty box of room decorations and begins hanging streamers* Come on in, folks, there's cake on it's way. Today's birthday honouree is Meg Rose. Birthday owls can be sent to this list or directly to: megrose_13 at yahoo.com Meg Rose, I hope your birthday is magical and full of fun! Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 12:52:17 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! In-Reply-To: <20020902121909.22642.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020902125217.61653.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Sheryll Townsend wrote: Meg Rose, I hope your birthday is magical and full of fun! Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! Sheryll ===== More fun! More goodies! More magical Birthday fun and goodies for Meg Rose! Hope you get lots of fun stuff on this special day! Big Toast to you from all of us here in Revere! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MEG ROSE! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusetts and Her Very Mery Band of Muggles 100%! "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gypsycaine at neo.rr.com Mon Sep 2 13:08:12 2002 From: gypsycaine at neo.rr.com (Dee R) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:08:12 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! References: <20020902125217.61653.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03bd01c25281$cb14ec00$1f38d118@neo.rr.com> Enjoy the birthday! Grins. Hurray--birthday! :D Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: Wanda the Witch To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! Sheryll Townsend wrote: Meg Rose, I hope your birthday is magical and full of fun! Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! Sheryll ===== More fun! More goodies! More magical Birthday fun and goodies for Meg Rose! Hope you get lots of fun stuff on this special day! Big Toast to you from all of us here in Revere! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MEG ROSE! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusetts and Her Very Mery Band of Muggles 100%! "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meckelburg at foni.net Tue Sep 3 12:55:58 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (mecki987) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:55:58 -0000 Subject: My son is "big" Message-ID: Hi! Just wanted to tell you, that my son Marten had his first day of kindergarten yesterday. He was so "cool",(hey, he's only just turned three)just waved goodbye, no kiss, no hug nothing... Now I'm sitting here and torn between pride and the feeling of neglection. Why doesn't he need me anymore? Where has my baby gone? :-)This afternoon he wanted to go all by himself! And he had a tantrum because I insisted on taking him! Okay, back to homework with my older daughter. At least, I am sure, that there will be a time, when the little boy needs his Mummy again (and if only to help with maths) Mecki From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:16:28 2002 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:16:28 -0000 Subject: My son is "big" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "mecki987" wrote: > Hi! > > Just wanted to tell you, that my son Marten had his first day of > kindergarten yesterday. He was so "cool",(hey, he's only just turned > three)just waved goodbye, no kiss, no hug nothing... > Now I'm sitting here and torn between pride and the feeling of > neglection. Why doesn't he need me anymore? Where has my baby gone? LOL! Well done to Marten. I know how you feel; both Beth and Gareth walked into preschool without a backwards glance. Focus on the pride...who wants a clingy kid? ;) And, yes, they'll always needs us, especially when they're not well and throwing up everywhere. *Then* you can't shake them off! Mary Ann (whose two older kids are going back to school on Thursday, and are looking forward to it...and so is Mom!) From speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 22:04:02 2002 From: speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com (frankielee242) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:04:02 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! In-Reply-To: <20020902121909.22642.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sheryll wrote: > Happy Birthday, Meg Rose! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Hope you have a wonderful day and that someone else picks up the lunch/dinner/movie/whatever-you-do-to-celebrate tab. =P Frankie, who is so happy to be sending you birthday greetings on your actual birthday. Sorry to everyone else who got theirs late... From speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 22:10:20 2002 From: speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com (frankielee242) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:10:20 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday from Samoa! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amy wrote: > Wellwishers can wish Dee R well at gypsycaine at n... or c/o this > list. Happy Birthday a few days late! D'OH! Hope you had a great time on your birthday and that there were no vomit flavored 'beans mixed in with the rest. =) Frankie From smiller_92407 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 4 00:35:32 2002 From: smiller_92407 at yahoo.com (constance_vigilance) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:35:32 -0000 Subject: Book 5 rumors from another web site Message-ID: Hello group. I tried to post this to announcements, but got rejected. :( Well, anyway let's try again here at Rumor Central. There was a recent posting of some major Book 5 rumorage at www.iHarryPotter.net. Specifically, the link is: http://www.iharrypotter.net/books/phoenix/ In any case, there seems to be a lot of good stuff, with some evidence of validity (well, as much as can be expected with rumors), so here it is. Should start some interesting discussions. ~ Constance Vigilance ----------- begin quote ---------------- * (From Dan Renny) I work at Scholastic and I've heard a few specific things about Book 5 of the Harry Potter series, entitled "The Order of Phoenix", and while the book is not complete, a few minor points of the book have been divulged. So, using my knowledge of the previous books, and what has been said 'officially' at work, I did a little research and constructed this editorial for the eager, and sometimes spoiled fans J. This brief encounter with details of Book 5 could spoil some of you, but then again, due to the hype being put on the book for taking longer than usual to release, this should hopefully bring down any expectations of an epic blockbuster. That's not to say that the book won't be good - no, no, no - the book will be great, but. ok, I better explain. Let me get to the point. There is no epic wizard war in the fifth book. This book will be the prologue, of sorts, to books 6 and 7, just as books 1, 2 and 3 were setting everything up before Voldermort's return in Book 4. There will be no serious changes to the school like Book 4, which was very internationally based (Eg. Going to the World Cup, foreign schools at Hogwarts). Book 5 will return to the quiet local style of the first three books, like when you stay indoors on a rainy day. However, Book 5 is very dark. There will be great unrest and tension around the school, with the students and teachers alike knowing that the Dark Forces are rising again. Before the future struggles in Book 6 and 7, Book 5 will detail the battles that took place in Voldermort's prime, before he encountered Harry and was almost destroyed. As I was saying, there is great unrest because the Dark Forces are rising, but no Death Eaters mount an attack full-frontal on the school. Everything is quite comfortable for the kids this year. You'd think this was a good thing until strange things start happening to some students, in particular Neville Longbottom [you can quote me on that]. If this is getting a little too much, I'll say four words, then if you choose, you can never see the rest of this article ever again: "Chapter fourteen of Goblet." Perhaps you would like to read that before continuing this read - it is very important hint to Book 5. In this chapter, very dark things are happening that don't seem apparent. It deals with the unforgivable curses in which 'Moody' has great experience with, prior to coming to Hogwarts. However, it is Barty Crouch in that classroom, and he does something to our friend Neville, if you were paying attention: he cursed him. I won't spell it out to you, but notice how Moody/Crouch does the Imperius curse first, then Neville puts his hand up instantly to answer the next curse. This is definitely not something Neville would do - he's a wuss. The second interesting part, aside from his weird behaviour after class, is his red eyes Harry notices. And lastly, the creepy, unexplained scene at the very end of the chapter, where Harry is lying in bed, and since he can't hear Neville snore, assumes he must be awake too. Very eerie! Who's going on here? Obviously something is up with Neville. Let me detour for a moment. Read the connected The Order of the Phoenix theory. Neville will be the Insider for Voldemort. He has been left under the Imperius curse by Crouch Jr throughout the holidays, and although he can still do things for himself, the turning point in book 5 comes when Harry and Co. find out about Neville's desire to place the Order of Phoenix for Voldemort (only Dumbledore knows how to order them to come to him). Voldermort takes over Crouch's remaining curse on Neville and makes him do anything. Neville will surprisingly lose his error-prone ways and become part of the Quidditch team. His skill will eventually promote him to captain, and give him the position to make Harry do dangerous things on field. It seems Barty Crouch Jr's plan in Book 4 was more intricate than he revealed. Read the connected character death theory. In Conclusion: -Chapter fourteen of Goblet sets up Book 5 somewhat. -Book 5 will revolve around Neville Longbottom to some extent. -Also, the connection will be made between Crouch Jr and the Longbottoms. Crouch was the Death Eater who submitted Neville's parents to the Cruciatus curse. I know some HP buffs would like to rip me up and say "Neville's father was submitted to the Cruciatus curse by Death Eaters, and that's why Neville knows about the curse in Ch14 of Goblet and put his hand up," but you have to look deeper than that. -I repeat: there will be no attack on Hogwarts: no army of Death Eaters. Voldermort has only begun to rise, and he will need more time (at least this book and maybe the next) to gather more followers in secret. The Death Eaters will be out and about looking for some acquaintances in book 5. This will be known to Harry and Co. only through the Daily Prophet. -A Phoenix to a wizard is like the Force to a Jedi Knight. It's a powerful tool, but Phoenixes do not make wizards immortal. It would make Harry's popularity meaningless as any person can stop death if they have the power of a phoenix. Though they are themselves immortal, phoenixes have only the power to heal and mend wizards, and that is what both Dumbledore and Voldemort want to savour for themselves and their allies. We saw what Fawkes did to Harry in Book 2:CoS. The Sorcerer/Philosopher's stone is the only known object to stop death, and no one with any magical powers can stop the Avada Kedevra curse (with the exception of that miracle of Harry's). -When Voldemort dies in Book 7, Harry's scar fades. [I highly endorse this theory] -And lastly, Book 5 is the calm before the storm. Remember that if you expected a Quidditch World Cup, a Tri-wizard tournament, and three Quidditch matches in Book 5. It's not that sort of book. From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Sep 4 03:18:30 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Athene! Message-ID: <20020904031830.55464.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> *sneaks in quietly with decorations, hoping no one really notices that she nearly forgot a birthday* I hope the fact that I've brought a v. v. big cake makes up for the lateness of this birthday wish. Well, technically, I've still got the right day, but I'm pushing my luck here. :) Today's birthday honouree is Athene. Birthday wishes can be sent care of this list or directly to: athene_51 at yahoo.com I hope the day was wonderful and filled with much joy and fun. Happy Birthday, Athene! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From hpsmarty at aol.com Wed Sep 4 03:08:01 2002 From: hpsmarty at aol.com (hpsmarty) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:08:01 -0000 Subject: The HP4GU Contest is back! Message-ID: Note: by request, this is being cross-posted to both the main list and to OT-chatter Yes, it's back! The HP4GU Contest, also known as The Invitational, Magical, Exciting, Was-Weekly, All-Smarty's Tournament Extraordinaire! This contest was originally started to make HP4GU a more fun and exciting home, especially for those of us who have absolutely no lives outside of it. Then, well, I got busy, or something and there hasn't been a contest for almost a year. But now it's back, but with a few changes. There will no longer be a new contest every week, instead there will be TWO contests, run concurrently, every month. As before, there will be 3 types of contests: puzzles, creative contests, and speculative contests. Puzzles consist of crosswords and other word puzzles, anagrams, trivia questions, etc., so if you've written one of these please send it to me! Creative contests will consist of things like poetry-writing (more fun than you think, really!). Speculative contests will consist of asking people to theorize about an unknown aspect of the Harry Potter universe. Every month, there will be ONE puzzle contest, and ONE contest which is creative or speculative (or a combination of both). This contest is for fun only ?? it is non-competitive, so there are no winners or losers (well, no winners anyway). Actually, there may be winners for some of the puzzle contests, and there may even be prizes, depending on the state of the HP4GU treasury. (But don't get your hopes up ?? according to our treasurer, Mundungus Fletcher, the HP4GU vault at Gringott's has less gold in it than the Weasley's.) Some of the contests will be written or designed by me, but I am hoping that the rest of you will contribute puzzles or contest ideas as well. All contest ideas should be sent to the contest email address, which is hpsmarty at aol.com. [That's hpsmarty AT aol DOT com.] So don't forget to send those lists of trivia questions, word search puzzles, or other brilliant ideas to me at hpsmarty at aol.com.. Also, any questions about the contest should be sent to me at the same address, and NOT posted to the list. The Rules are posted below, and will be repeated each time a new contest is posted. I will also file the rules in our files section, along with a new contest archives (space permitting). If you want to look at some of the old contests, there is a directory of them in the files section. The first contest will be posted soon after this announcement. 1. Contest responses should be sent by email to the contest email address, which is hpsmarty at aol.com. RESPONSES SHOULD NOT BE POSTED TO THE LIST. Anyone posting responses, especially puzzle answers, to the list will be disqualified from participation in that contest, sent a howler, turned into a toad, sent to Azkaban, AND forced to eat bubotuber pus. SO DON'T POST RESPONSES TO THE LIST. 2. Contests will be posted at the beginning of each month. Responses should be sent by email to hpsmarty at aol.com by midnight EST on the last day of each month. For puzzle contests, both the correct answers and a list of everyone who submitted a correct solution by the deadline will be posted during the first week of the next month. For creative and speculative contests, all responses will be posted, although I might just post a random sampling if there are a real lot of responses to a particular contest. 3. If you have any questions, comment, observations, or complaints about the contest, please email me directly at hpsmarty at aol.com. DO NOT POST TO THE LIST about the contest. Please, the list is crowded enough already. 4. ANSWERS SHOULD NOT BE POSTED TO THE LIST. I know this is also rule # 1, but I can not stress it enough. ?? Joywitch M. Curmudgeon From hpsmarty at aol.com Wed Sep 4 03:08:54 2002 From: hpsmarty at aol.com (hpsmarty) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:08:54 -0000 Subject: HP4GU Contest -- September creative contest Message-ID: Here is the September creative/speculative contest. Stay tuned for the puzzle contest, and feel free to contribute to both. This contest is speculative. In fact it's very, very speculative. It will also require some creativity. The object is to come up with the most outrageous, outlandish, off-the-wall ship ?? that is, possible romantic relationship ?? among two characters in the HP books. The things is, you have to come up with ACTUAL, DIRECT evidence from the books to support your ship. This contest is inspired by Cindy C. (aka Sin DC or The Strawberry Moderator Tart), who came up with the following idea as a defense against an overwhelming number of shipping posts: >I have decided to defect to the shippers and hereby >propose my own theory about who Hermione will wind up with *when she >is of legal age*: >::drumroll:: >Mad-Eye Moody! >It is *so* obvious, once you think of it. The evidence: >1. When Hermione first sees Moody, she is repulsed: "What happened >to him? . . . What happened to his *face*?" she says. Meanwhile, >Moody is "totally indifferent" to his lukewarm welcome in the Great >Hall. That is always what happens in a good romance: shock, >followed by an irresistible impulse to get to know the other person >better, which of course is not immediately shared. >2. The man impresses the woman with emasculating her enemy: Moody >turns Draco into a ferret. How can Hermione fail to notice Moody now? >3. Moody demonstrates his power: He overpowers, tortures and kills >spiders right in front of Hermione. Hermione starts to appreciate >the "bad boy" side of Moody. He only stops torturing the spider when >Hermione tells him to stop, showing how she can bend him to her will. >4. Romantic tension: Hermione objects to having students placed >under the Imperius Curse. Moody shows her the door. She >submits: "Hermione went very pink and muttered something about not >wanting to leave." Tell me her knees weren't weak as she sank back >into her seat. >5. Moody finally falls for Hermione: "Moody's magical eye quivered >as it rested on Hermione. 'You're another one who might think about >a career as an Auror,' he told her. 'Mind works the right way, >Granger.' Hermione flushed pink with pleasure." Roll the credits! >It all fits. Moody is missing a number of teeth, and Hermione's >parents are dentists. It is simply meant to be. OK, you got it? Send me a description of the strangest ship you can think up, and back it up with canon evidence. And don't forget: DON'T POST CONTEST RESPONSES TO THE LIST. Send them to me at hpsmarty at aol.com. (That's hpsmarty AT aol DOT com.) ??Joywitch M. Curmudgeon From hpsmarty at aol.com Wed Sep 4 03:09:40 2002 From: hpsmarty at aol.com (hpsmarty) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:09:40 -0000 Subject: HP4GU Contest -- September Puzzle Contest Message-ID: Here's this month's puzzle contest. This contest is one of my favorite games, which is known by several different names including CATEGORIES. In this game, you have several words and five different categories and you have to find words or phrases which begin with each letter of each word. The categories are People, Places, Things, Beings and Terms, and you have three words to work with ?? LUPIN, BLACK, and HAGRID. To play the game first pick one of the three words ?? LUPIN, BLACK, or HAGRID. Then find something from the Harry Potter books (including FB and QTTA) which corresponds to each category. For example, if you pick LUPIN, you must find a person, place, thing, being and term which starts with each of the letters L, U, P, I and N, for a total of 25 words or phrases. The definitions of the five categories are as follows: "People" is the first OR last name of a HUMAN (includes those who are only part human) character in any of the HP books (including QTTA and FB) . Only humans, so "Harry" or "Potter" is acceptable but "Binns" and "Dobby" are not. "Places" is the name of any place mentioned, in any capacity, in the HP books, for example "Japan" (mentioned in QTTA) or "Dumbledore's Office." It must be a specific place, not a generic term like "room" or "station." "Things" is any magical object mentioned in the HP books, including titles of books, and names of specific magical items such as potions or plants. It must be something that you can touch, and it must be MAGICAL. "Beings" includes both names and types of any non-human beings or creatures mentioned in the HP books. "Peruvian Vipertooth", "Vipertooth", "Norbert", and "dragon" are all acceptable. "Terms" includes anything MAGICAL that doesn't fit into the above 4 categories, including spells, MoM departments and jobs, Hogwarts classes, and languages. Scoring is as follows: You get 2 points for each category in which you are the ONLY one to have that word or phrase. One point is subtracted from your score for any categories you leave blank. Here's an example, using the word SNAPE. Suppose there were only two entries, from two smart listmembers, Smellydog11 and Harrysbimbo, as shown below. Smellydog11 left 3 categories blank and Harrysbimbo left 5 categories blank, so they receive minus 3 and minus 5 points, respectively. Neither one gets credit for Scabbers, Nimbus, Norbert, NEWT, Azkaban, Ernie, Eeylops, or Elves because these words were on both lists. Smellydog11 gets 28 points for her remaining categories, minus 3 for the blanks, for a total of 25 points. Harrysbimbo gets 24 points minus 5 points for a total of 19 points. Entry 1 ?? Smellydog11 Person Place Things Beings Terms S Snape Shrieking Sorting Scabbers Seeker Shack Hat N Neville ? Nimbus Norbert NEWT A Albus Azkaban Armadillo ? Astronomy Bile P Peter ? Prefects Puffskein Parselmouth Who Gained Power E Ernie Eeylops Every Elves Erised Owl Flavor Emporium Beans Entry 2 ?? Harrysbimbo Person Place Things Beings Terms S Slytherin Slytherin Standard Scabbers Squib Common Book of Room Spells N Newt ? Nimbus Norbert NEWT A Aberforth Azkaban ? ? Accio P Pettigrew ? Polyjuice Peeves Parseltongue Potion E Ernie Eeylops ? Elves Exploding Snap Owl Emporium A few notes: 1. You can enter up to THREE times, with each of the three words (Lupin, Black and Hagrid) but only one entry per name is allowed. 2. You only get points if you are the only one to come up with a particular word or phrase, so the more obscure the better. On the other hand, maybe no one will choose words like "Harry" or "Hermione" because they are so obvious. Hmmmm. 3. I can assure you that there are at least 2 possible entries for each of the 80 possible combinations, and many, many more for most of them. 4. Don't post your answers to the list! Email them to me at hpsmarty at aol.com. That's hpsmarty AT aol DOT com. ??Joywitch M. Curmudgeon From gypsycaine at neo.rr.com Wed Sep 4 03:29:05 2002 From: gypsycaine at neo.rr.com (Dee R) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:29:05 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Happy Birthday from Samoa! References: Message-ID: <00fd01c253c3$393b2220$1f38d118@neo.rr.com> Meg Rose, and now Athene! Happy b-day! and don't worry, Frankie, it was a rather interesting birthday. Maybe, when I have a bit more time, I'll detail out! Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: frankielee242 To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Happy Birthday from Samoa! Amy wrote: > Wellwishers can wish Dee R well at gypsycaine at n... or c/o this > list. Happy Birthday a few days late! D'OH! Hope you had a great time on your birthday and that there were no vomit flavored 'beans mixed in with the rest. =) Frankie Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 4 04:12:54 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Athene! In-Reply-To: <20020904031830.55464.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020904041254.70369.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> Sheryll Townsend wrote: Today's birthday honouree is Athene. Birthday wishes can be sent care of this list or directly to: athene_51 at yahoo.com Happy Birthday, Athene! Sheryll ===== Well it sure seems like the Birthday Party of Meg Rose has moved over to Athene's! Let the party harty keep partying! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, ATHENE! I want to call you Athena the Goddess of Wisdom! Well, you have a very magical time at your party too! Here goes, another big toast to you! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100%! (with all these parties, they better be very merry) "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Sep 4 19:25:11 2002 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (flyingfordanglia) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:25:11 -0000 Subject: ... skin cream (yes, that again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amy wrote (ages ago): << Switching to a totally different women-to-men question: Are there any men out there who feel the need for face cream? I don't know any men who use it, and of course the overblown marketing is all aimed at women who want to look young forever etc. etc., but marketing aside, when I wash my face it then feels dry and stretched out until I've put some kind of moisturizer on. >> If I may respond to this nearly a week after the question was posed, I do use moisturiser on my face, but usually forget to put it anywhere else. I guess that means I'll end up with a face like a newborn baby and a body like an old woolsack. I recently switched from Clinique's "Dramatically Different" to Farmacia's "Natural Man - Face", as it smells much nicer and costs a lot less. While we're on my face, I can also report a large, angry spot by the side of my nose, which I put down to an excess of alcohol at my brother's wedding on Saturday. No amount of tea trea ointment is shifting it; it's just sitting there like Mount Vesuvius. Neil __________________ Flying Ford Anglia From john at queerasjohn.com Wed Sep 4 19:33:24 2002 From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:24 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ... skin cream (yes, that again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2D5933A2-C03D-11D6-A0CC-000393C2DB2E@queerasjohn.com> On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, at 03:25 PM, flyingfordanglia wrote: > While we're on my face, I can also report a large, angry spot by the > side of my nose, which I put down to an excess of alcohol at my > brother's wedding on Saturday. No amount of tea trea ointment is > shifting it; it's just sitting there like Mount Vesuvius. Go to a chemist/drugstore and get some of those sticky patches with spot liquid on them. Johnson's Clear and Clean and Neutrogena do them. They're great for stubborn spots. --John, fount of wisdom... ______________________________________ Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com LJ @ www.queerasjohn.com AIM & YM @ QueerAsJohn "There's nowt as queer as folk." --English proverb ______________________________________ From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Sep 4 19:35:01 2002 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (flyingfordanglia) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:35:01 -0000 Subject: ... skin cream (yes, that again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wrote: << No amount of tea trea ointment is shifting it; it's just sitting there like Mount Vesuvius. >> Did I say tea trea? I meant to say "tea tree", of course. Did I say Vesuvius? I should have made a comparison to Mount Etna, as Vesuvius is a dormant volcano, and my spot is pulsating and building up to spew its fiery contents. Well, you got the idea... Neil ____________________ Flying Ford Anglia From speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 21:08:07 2002 From: speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com (frankielee242) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:08:07 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Athene! In-Reply-To: <20020904031830.55464.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Athene, Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Athene... Happy birthday to you!! Your present is reading, not hearing, the seranade. =P Hope you had a great time on your birthday! Frankie From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 15:58:43 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:58:43 -0000 Subject: HPfGU Beauty Advice column In-Reply-To: <2D5933A2-C03D-11D6-A0CC-000393C2DB2E@queerasjohn.com> Message-ID: John advised: > Go to a chemist/drugstore and get some of those sticky patches with > spot liquid on them. Johnson's Clear and Clean and Neutrogena do them. > They're great for stubborn spots. I swear by the strongest benzoyl peroxide cream you can get (maybe that's what's in the Johnson's and Neutrogena?). Dries the little buggers up like nothing else. The pimple/alcohol connection is a new one by me. I hope the wedding was fun anyway, Neil, and that your new in-law meets with your approval. Amy From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Sep 5 19:43:12 2002 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (cindysphynx) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:43:12 -0000 Subject: HPfGU Beauty Advice column In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amy advised: > I swear by the strongest benzoyl peroxide cream you can get (maybe > that's what's in the Johnson's and Neutrogena?). Dries the little > buggers up like nothing else. > Er, will this work for our, uh, more mature members? I've become just a tad wary of anything that boasts its ability to *dry* the skin. I don't need anything to turn the clock forward, you know. ;-) Cindy -- who likens her skin to that of a 40-year-old baby's bottom From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 19:56:00 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Marina! Message-ID: <20020905195600.39635.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> *surveys the newly decorated room with satisfaction and sets trays of food and a large cake on the side table* Step right in, there's a birthday celebration happening! Today's birthday honouree is Marina Javor. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: lipglossusa at yahoo.com I hope the day is filled with joy and magic! Happy Birthday, Marina! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 20:12:01 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Marina! In-Reply-To: <20020905195600.39635.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020905201201.68202.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> Sheryll Townsend wrote: I hope the day is filled with joy and magic! Happy Birthday, Marina! Sheryll ===== All right! Another party to carry over on too! Hope you get lots of goodies! Mostly HP stuff! Your name reminds of a mermaid! Yup, showing my age again! On that wondrful puppet show from England, The Thunderbirds, they had a beautiful puppet called Marina, a mermaid! Well, hope you have a wonderful Birthday! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARINA! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100%! "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From john at queerasjohn.com Thu Sep 5 20:18:12 2002 From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:18:12 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HPfGU Beauty Advice column In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9A3F56E4-C10C-11D6-839A-000393C2DB2E@queerasjohn.com> On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 11:58 AM, lupinesque wrote: > I swear by the strongest benzoyl peroxide cream you can get (maybe > that's what's in the Johnson's and Neutrogena?). Dries the little > buggers up like nothing else. Actually, nowadays they use salicylic acid instead of benzoyl peroxide for most products. And yes, Cindy, it does dry the skin somewhat, but that's what moisturiser is for. :D Wait...have we come full circle back to face cream? --John ______________________________________ Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com LJ @ www.queerasjohn.com AIM & YM @ QueerAsJohn "There's nowt as queer as folk." --English proverb ______________________________________ From john at queerasjohn.com Fri Sep 6 01:37:45 2002 From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:37:45 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Marina! In-Reply-To: <20020905201201.68202.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E7EE9C3-C139-11D6-839A-000393C2DB2E@queerasjohn.com> On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 04:12 PM, Wanda the Witch wrote: > Sheryll Townsend wrote: > I hope the day is filled with joy and magic! > > Happy Birthday, Marina Yes, many happy returns! --John ______________________________________ Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com LJ @ www.queerasjohn.com AIM & YM @ QueerAsJohn "There's nowt as queer as folk." --English proverb ______________________________________ From catlady at wicca.net Fri Sep 6 05:37:18 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:37:18 -0000 Subject: many congratulations! and one reply Message-ID: I am too late to wish Meg Rose, Athene, and Marina Javor (lipgloss - her ID is on latest-OT-topic) to have a Happy Birthday, so Meg Rose Athene Marina Javor I hope you all had very happy birthdays Neil's brother congratulations on getting married and may you-uns be very happy Neil John It is wonderful to see posts from you old friend listies. John wrote: << nowadays they use salicylic acid >> Isn't that aspirin? From neilward at dircon.co.uk Fri Sep 6 18:25:39 2002 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (flyingfordanglia) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:25:39 -0000 Subject: Acne, aspirin, angst and associated news Message-ID: John wrote, on acne treatments: << nowadays they use salicylic acid >> and Rita ("hi, old list friend!") asked: << Isn't that aspirin? >> Aspirin is acetyl salicylic acid. Salicylic acid - now used topically for acne - was given as an ingestible drug for a while, but is an irritant to the stomach. Aspirin was developed during experiments to find something milder, with similar effects. On an almost on-topic note, salicin is derived from the bark of the willow tree; so, we could note that the Whomping Willow holds the key to alleviating pain, as well the means to inflict it. Amy said: << The pimple/alcohol connection is a new one by me. I hope the wedding was fun anyway, Neil, and that your new in-law meets with your approval. >> Still in `Binns' mode, there is some research showing a connection between alcohol misuse and post-adolescent acne (and, folks, I am well past puberty), but I wasn't necessarily referring to that. In all honesty, I think there was more correlation than causation: i.e. the eruption of my spot and my necking of several pints of beer were caused by the stress of the occasion (and now almost cured by Oxy 10 cleansing pads ? cheers John). At the wedding ceremony, I had the honour of bearing the Bride's ring on a velvet cushion (actually, I think it was a machine-washable, brushed-nylon cushion, but let's not spoil the mood) and acting as a witness to the marriage. The meal and "disco" were great fun and musical friends of the happy couple surprised them by playing a set of blues and rock'n'roll numbers. I danced, but not at the same time as my Mum and Dad. That wouldn't do at all To answer Amy, I approve most highly of my new sister-in-law, who will certainly not be taking my brother's surname or answering to anyone who calls her "his good lady wife" or "the missus". She wore burgundy and black and heaps of silver jewellery, with her long, greying-black hair cascading down her back, decorated with diamante studs. She carried a single, purple iris, tied with a black ribbon. The music at the ceremony was the theme from "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (that is, until the officiator switched off the tape player so she could be heard). My brother? He wore a checked shirt, trousers and a beard. Neil __________________ Flying Ford Anglia From lupinesque at yahoo.com Sat Sep 7 23:21:43 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:21:43 -0000 Subject: Acne, aspirin, angst and associated news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neil reported: > At the wedding ceremony, I had the honour of bearing the Bride's ring > on a velvet cushion (actually, I think it was a machine-washable, > brushed-nylon cushion, but let's not spoil the mood) Very cool. I thought no one over 4 was allowed to do that. (And anyone under 4 is too shy or runs the wrong way down the aisle giggling, so the window for ringbearerhood is narrow indeed.) > I approve most highly of my new sister-in-law, who > will certainly not be taking my brother's surname or answering to > anyone who calls her "his good lady wife" or "the missus". How about "the little woman?" That's my personal favorite. Amy who, if acne is a stress-o-meter, ought to have about 50 zits right now, but is getting a sore throat instead From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Sun Sep 8 08:28:51 2002 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 08:28:51 -0000 Subject: HPfGU Beauty Advice column In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "lupinesque" wrote: > John advised: > > > Go to a chemist/drugstore and get some of those sticky patches with > > spot liquid on them. Johnson's Clear and Clean and Neutrogena do > them. > > They're great for stubborn spots. > > I swear by the strongest benzoyl peroxide cream you can get (maybe > that's what's in the Johnson's and Neutrogena?). Dries the little > buggers up like nothing else. Hmm, the problem I have with conventional zit cream is that it dries up the area around the offending spot as well, and goes delightfully red and sore. Great fun. So I tend to use aloe vera gel. It's antifungal and antiseptic so it eliminates the spots without drying the skin out. As much as I love my late mom, I'll never forgive her for the biggest lie she ever told me: "You'll stop getting pimples when you're 18". Darn you, mom ;) Mary Ann (who's never had a zit thanks to alcohol, but whose hormones have a lot to answer for) From speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 21:15:06 2002 From: speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com (frankielee242) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:15:06 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Marina! In-Reply-To: <20020905195600.39635.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Happy Birthday, Marina! Wishing you the best even though it's a few days late. Sorry about the time delay... Hope you had a great time on your birthday! =) Frankie From rvotaw at i-55.com Tue Sep 10 01:04:44 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:04:44 -0500 Subject: Question about Harry Potter audio Message-ID: <015201c25866$0dd3fba0$029ecdd1@istu757> I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four Harry Potter books, but I'm not sure which ones to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is it worth the money to order the British versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a British accent, but what about Jim Dale? I simply can't hear the books read aloud without a British accent. I've never heard him, so I haven't a clue, hoping someone out there can help me out. Thanks! Richelle ******************************************************************************** "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring ******************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From judi.eathorne-gould at stonebow.otago.ac.nz Tue Sep 10 01:14:48 2002 From: judi.eathorne-gould at stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Judi Eathorne-Gould) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:14:48 +1200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question about Harry Potter audio In-Reply-To: <015201c25866$0dd3fba0$029ecdd1@istu757> References: <015201c25866$0dd3fba0$029ecdd1@istu757> Message-ID: We made the mistake of borrowing from the library Jim Dale's version of POA and the kids all hated it. They had got so used to the way Stephen Fry prounced names etc that they could not stand Dale's version. Stephen Fry is great. --Judi >I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four Harry Potter books, but >I'm not sure which ones to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale >performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is it worth the money to >order the British versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a British >accent, but what about Jim Dale? I simply can't hear the books read >aloud without a British accent. I've never heard him, so I haven't >a clue, hoping someone out there can help me out. > >Thanks! > >Richelle From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 04:33:02 2002 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:33:02 -0000 Subject: Question about Harry Potter audio In-Reply-To: <015201c25866$0dd3fba0$029ecdd1@istu757> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four Harry Potter books, but I'm not sure which ones to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is it worth the money to order the British versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a British accent, but what about Jim Dale? I simply can't hear the books read aloud without a British accent. I've never heard him, so I haven't a clue, hoping someone out there can help me out. > > Thanks! > > Richelle > > ********************************************************************** ********** > "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." > ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring > ********************************************************************** ********** Richelle, Unfortunately, (or fortunately, depending on your POV) I have not heard the Stephen Fry version, but we do own all four of the books on CD, read by Jim Dale. I have to say, I think he did a wonderful job, and yes, he is british, and speaks with a british accent. But he reads the US/SS version which, in my son's case, he loved, because he listened to the CD as he read along in print. I think he does a great job of interpreting the different characters through their "voices"; a rather smarty-pants, girly Hermione, and an Unbelievable Hagrid!! So good, that I was actually somewhat disappointed in Movie!Hagrid. I must say that I am curious to hear the "British" version, and perhaps as the winter gets closer, I'll get my own body to the library and check their inventory. But I highly recomend Jim Dale. Good luck in your choice and do let us know the outcome!! Anna . . . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Sep 10 09:07:01 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:07:01 +0000 (EST5EDT) Subject: ...what's with Yahoo NOW? Message-ID: <8CB0966ABB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Is it just me or is the layout for the site all different....it's made everything jump two lines. *sigh* I'm already in a bad mood today. Columbus's hockey team, the Blue Jackets, had their mascot on the footbridge going over 315 this morning....traffic was backed up to 270 (a good 2 miles). I was so angry. Stupid mascot. Stupid stunt. ...I'm grumpy. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees & Deposits We're knights of the Round Table, we dance whene'er we're able. We do routines and chorus scenes with footwork impec-cable, We dine well here in Camelot, we eat ham and jam and Spam a lot. / We're knights of the Round Table, our shows are for-mi-dable. But many times we're given rhymes that are quite un-sing-able, We're opera mad in Camelot, we sing from the diaphragm a lot. / In war we're tough and able, Quite in-de-fa- ti-gable. Between our quests we sequin vests and impersonate Clark Gable / It's a busy life in Camelot From faura2002 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 13:27:22 2002 From: faura2002 at yahoo.com (faura2002) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:27:22 -0000 Subject: ...what's with Yahoo NOW? In-Reply-To: <8CB0966ABB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rachel Bray wrote: > Is it just me or is the layout for the site all > different....it's made everything jump two lines. > > *sigh* > Ya. At the messages site, the list has expanded to include the Name/Email, Yahoo ID, date/time and size of posts . Previously, the Yahoo IDs were just reflected in the members list and the size was non existent. Apparently, there is also a little blurb by the dialogue box indicating at what percent the group's posts now stand vis-a-vis the available 512 MB available to it . oh well. faura From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Sep 10 14:04:35 2002 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:04:35 -0000 Subject: REAL Hogwarts...sort of....(seriously!) Message-ID: Hi all. It's been a loooong time since I've posted in the group. Anyhoo, here's an interesting link for all prospective wizards and witches. http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_666852.html?menu=news.quirkies I wonder if they get sorted? Milz From ferretlovr at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 18:51:02 2002 From: ferretlovr at yahoo.com (Jessica Rickards) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 757 In-Reply-To: <1031630704.915.34466.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020910185102.87775.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> >I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four Harry Potter books, but >I'm not sure which ones to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale >performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is it worth the money to >order the British versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a British >accent, but what about Jim Dale? I simply can't hear the books read >aloud without a British accent. I've never heard him, so I haven't >a clue, hoping someone out there can help me out. > >Thanks! > >Richelle I don't know about any kind of comparison, having never heard the Stephen Fry version, but I can assure you that Jim Dale DOES have a British accent. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 22:29:06 2002 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:29:06 -0000 Subject: Question about Harry Potter audio In-Reply-To: <015201c25866$0dd3fba0$029ecdd1@istu757> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four Harry Potter books, but I'm not sure which ones to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is it worth the money to order the British versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a British accent, but what about Jim Dale? I simply can't hear the books read aloud without a British accent. I've never heard him, so I haven't a clue, hoping someone out there can help me out. > > Thanks! > > Richelle I have listened to both versions, and if you're interested, I have reviewed them and compared them about a year ago at HPFGU. Jim Dale is English, and speaks with a British accent. He hhas adopted different voices for each of the characters. Stephen Fry does not have the vocal range that Dale has. When Fry attempts to read in a character's voice, oftentimes the different characters all sound alike. Jim Dale "acts" the books, while Stephen Fry "reads" them. Most of the native Brits seem to prefer Stephen Fry's reading, finding Jim Dale's various voices to be overdone. On the whole, I prefer that of Jim Dale. I wonder if it depends on which version you listened to first. I hope this helps you in making your choice. Haggridd From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 03:34:48 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: September 11, 2002 Message-ID: <20020911033448.57677.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com> Our hearts and prayers, and thoughts go out to all of you in New York. Also to all of those who lost someone or were able to find someone! We are with you all on this sad day but are happy to be alive and helping others on this day. Our prayeers are with you. Love and Hugs, and prayers, Wanda(the Witch of Revere), Roy, William, and James(aka 100%muggles) "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ken.kuller at veritas.com Wed Sep 11 14:18:10 2002 From: ken.kuller at veritas.com (Kenneth M. Kuller) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:18:10 -0000 Subject: September 11, 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020911033448.57677.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a touching tribute to the victims of September 11, 2001, at http://www.mousetrax.com/pub/Tribute.swf Sound enhances the viewing experience. It lasts about 3 minutes and includes some rather disturbing images, yet on the whole it is rather tastefully done and quite touching. - Ken Kuller --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda the Witch wrote: > > Our hearts and prayers, and thoughts go out to all of you in New York. Also to all of those who lost someone or were able to find someone! We are with you all on this sad day but are happy to be alive and helping others on this day. Our prayeers are with you. > > Love and Hugs, and prayers, > > Wanda(the Witch of Revere), Roy, William, and James(aka 100%muggles) > > > "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and > are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things > will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be > taught how to fly."......Unknown. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anise_leinen at yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 16:52:06 2002 From: anise_leinen at yahoo.com (Catherine Danielson) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tapes In-Reply-To: <1031722006.281.44396.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020911165206.73933.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> I work outside doing landscaping and lawn care, so I listen to books on tape 6-8 hours a day in season. (I guess that makes me an expert in a bizarre way...)So I can tell you, Jim Dale is GREAT!!! He has a wonderful command of all the necessary voices and makes them sound exactly like you'd expect and hope them to. Voldemort is appropriately evil, Gilderoy Lockhart is insufferably full of himself, Hermione is a bossy know-it-all with vulnerability beneath, Draco is so snarky you want to smack him, and so on and on. Believe me, I go through an insane number of books on tape, and I know good when I hear it. Anise __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Sep 11 22:52:14 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:52:14 -0500 Subject: New Harry Potter Lego sets Message-ID: <012c01c259e5$df7ba380$7a9dcdd1@istu757> I received my Lego fall catalog today, and was quite pleased to find the new Harry Potter sets in it. I don't know if anyone else suffers the same combined obsession as I do, Harry Potter AND Lego. :) There are eight in all, and my only complaint is that none of them includes Hermione! My only solution is that perhaps another set will be released in November that includes her. Not sure what, though. I'm listing prices here so those of you who keep up with Lego will know the approximate size of the sets. Here are the new sets in the catalog: Aragog in the Dark Forest ($20--includes Aragog, Harry & Ron) The Chamber of Secrets ($70, Harry, Ron, Ginny, Lockhart, Tom Riddle, Fawkes) The Dueling Club ($20--Snape, Lockhart, Draco, Harry) Sltherin House ($10--Crabbe, Goyle, Draco) Harry's escape from Privet Drive ($30--Harry, Ron, Uncle Vernon) Professor Dumbledore's office ($50--Dumbledore, Harry, McGonagall) Dobby is freed ($7--Dobby and Lucius Malfoy) Time for Quidditch practice ($13--Harry, Draco, Madame Hooch) Now to find them in stores! Richelle ******************************************************************* "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring ******************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lmccabe at sonic.net Wed Sep 11 23:53:40 2002 From: lmccabe at sonic.net (Linda C. McCabe) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:53:40 -0700 Subject: parody of HP on Arthur Message-ID: I was watching the Arthur Show on PBS today and they had a parody of the Harry Potter series. The book that all the students were crazy over was "Henry Screever and the Cabbage of Mayhem." They were all waiting until midnight to get the latest book and competing with one another as to who read the book the fastest. Some of the sight gags went really fast and I couldn't get everything. I didn't catch what they called Hogwarts, but it did have pigs on the coat of arms. Mr. Ratburn, Arthur's teacher, arrived at school in a flying red convertible and a Mango tree grabbed it with its branches. Then they had a game with flying carpets rather than broomsticks and they were supposed to catch a hopping bullion cube, and used tomatoes as Bludgers. One of the kids wanted a special limited edition from England. When it came, she found that it was in Braille. Prunella tried desperately to get her hands on a regular copy, but by that time all the copies were sold out or checked out of the library. To get a replacement regular copy was going to take an additional three weeks. So Prunella decided she had to learn Braille. She then bumped into a little blind girl in the library and became friends. The blind girl would read the book to Prunella aloud. Anyway, I thought people might be interested in hearing about this parody of HP. Athena From heidit at netbox.com Thu Sep 12 00:49:22 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:49:22 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Harry Potter Lego sets Message-ID: Lego versions of Lucius and of Tom Riddle? Hmmm. Has anyone with film interests tried to make a fanflik with legos yet? No, not you John Walton! Heidi Tandy Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce http://www.FictionAlley.org -----Original Message----- From: "Richelle Votaw" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:52:14 To: Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Harry Potter Lego sets Real-To: "Richelle Votaw" I received my Lego fall catalog today, and was quite pleased to find the new Harry Potter sets in it. I don't know if anyone else suffers the same combined obsession as I do, Harry Potter AND Lego. :) There are eight in all, and my only complaint is that none of them includes Hermione! My only solution is that perhaps another set will be released in November that includes her. Not sure what, though. I'm listing prices here so those of you who keep up with Lego will know the approximate size of the sets. Here are the new sets in the catalog: Aragog in the Dark Forest ($20--includes Aragog, Harry & Ron) The Chamber of Secrets ($70, Harry, Ron, Ginny, Lockhart, Tom Riddle, Fawkes) The Dueling Club ($20--Snape, Lockhart, Draco, Harry) Sltherin House ($10--Crabbe, Goyle, Draco) Harry's escape from Privet Drive ($30--Harry, Ron, Uncle Vernon) Professor Dumbledore's office ($50--Dumbledore, Harry, McGonagall) Dobby is freed ($7--Dobby and Lucius Malfoy) Time for Quidditch practice ($13--Harry, Draco, Madame Hooch) Now to find them in stores! Richelle ******************************************************************* "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring ******************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 00:51:02 2002 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:51:02 -0000 Subject: In Memoriam Message-ID: In commemeoration of the passengers and crew of Flight #93, the first heroes of 9/11, and of all the victims of those monstrous acts. Haggridd "In Flanders fields, the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved; and now we lie in Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe! To you, from falling hands, we throw The torch. Be yours to hold it high! If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow in Flanders fields." - John McCrae From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 01:53:05 2002 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question about Harry Potter audio Message-ID: <20020912015305.76713.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four > Harry Potter books, but I'm not sure which ones > to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale > performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is > it worth the money to order the British > versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a > British accent, but what about Jim Dale? I > simply can't hear the books read aloud without > a British accent. I've never heard him, so I > haven't a clue, hoping someone out there can > help me out. > > Thanks! > > Richelle Jim Dale was born in Rothwell, Northants, England, UK according to http://us.imdb.com/Name?Dale,+Jim+(I) and worked quite a bit in the UK, so you can be assured that he reads with a genuine British accent and therefore you should find the US versions acceptable in that respect. Lots of libraries have the audiobooks in their collections, as do audiobook rental services. You could check them out before committing your money. Unfortunately, I have yet to see any US library systems or retail outlets carry the UK versions so it'll be hard for you to sample both versions at the same time (hmm...I guess I should be volunteering to lend you my babies at this point, eh?). The last time I did research on this, I got some info at http://www.covertocover.co.uk/ (publisher) http://www.amazon.co.uk Though I listen to BOTH versions (over and over again), my preference is Stephen Fry despite the fact that I heard Dale's versions first. I find Fry's reading arguably more nuanced and Dale's reading of Hermione saying "Harry-y-y-y-y-y-y!" somewhat whiney...not to mention the fact that his version of her name is a tri-syllabic corruption (though admittedly, this may be more realistic in terms of linguistics). Of course, these are teeny nit-picks - I would never have considered these as "flaws" in Dale's interpretation if I hadn't found its alternative superior. Interpretation aside, the production value of the UK version is also slightly higher. On all of my Dale tapes, you can discern fluctuations in Dale's voice that I'm guessing come from his voice being rejuvenated by rest breaks. My Fry tapes also include some sound effects as well as "headers" and "footers" at the beginnings and ends of each side of tapes; announcing the tape number and chapter at the beginnings and advising you that it's time to go to the next side at the ends. You should also know that the UK tapes come in different packaging, one style aimed at adults and one at children...just as the books are. Somewhat inexplicably, the UK version of GoF is more than just a few minutes LONGER - it's almost an hour longer. I don't think that there is significant difference between the texts...just between the readers' pace and use of dramatic pauses. Some day if I win the lottery, Ill have the time to double-check that. Should you decided to get the UK editions, could you let me know if you find a good price? Though I just can't justify spending the extra money (seeing that one pound is $1.56 today), my audio tapes are near tatters and I'm thinking of buying replacements. Okay, Im TRYING to justify buying replacements since CDs would also be more convenient. Which is to say, whether you invest in the more expensive UK version or go with the nevertheless terrific US version, I agree that you should buy the CD's and not the electro-magnetic tapes! Especially since people will insist on borrowing them...and wear them out. You can't go wrong with EITHER Dale OR Fry...I only wish they've done audiobooks of some of my other favorite tomes. Petra a n :) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From alexpie at aol.com Thu Sep 12 02:28:31 2002 From: alexpie at aol.com (alexpie at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:28:31 EDT Subject: 9/11 Message-ID: <18c.deb8d69.2ab155cf@aol.com> To all native New Yorkers, and all who care about us, I send my love. Harry has been a great help to me through all of this (I saw the Towers collapse from my front window), particularly Hagrid's statement in the last chapter of GoF. Love and safety to you all-- Ba From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 03:02:51 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Prayer Message-ID: <20020912030251.63949.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> My thoughts and prayers go out to those in pain today as we remember the terrible events of one year ago. For those who lost loved ones, I can't even pretend to know how you feel. We will never forget this day and those that were lost. No funny or silly filks today...just a link to a beautiful song (the words are written down as well) that helped to bring me some peace and hope, and I pray it brings you the same. _The Prayer_ sung by Celine Dion and Andrea Bocelli http://web.pdx.edu/~mcleans/The_Prayer.html Love, Lilac ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aprilgc at ivillage.com Thu Sep 12 04:22:50 2002 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (ladylprekaun) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 04:22:50 -0000 Subject: anybody watching the new COS trailer? Message-ID: Forgive me if I missed this thread (I did search, but didn't find it) -- who's watching "Family Affair" tomorrow night? Part of me really doesn't want to watch. I remember watching as a kid, and don't know what "they" are going to do with it (I hate the way some things get ruined with modernization.). I also know that if I allow my son to watch it (I couldn't very well watch "Family Affair" alone could I?), he may like it. I don't know that I want to get into this weekly because of "never before seen footage". I'm debating (but I'll probably tune in, at least until I see the new trailer). For those who don't know what I'm asking/babbling about: the powers of Hollywood have seen fit to remake the tv series "Family Affair". I don't know who any of the other actors are, but Tim Curry is Mr. French. At any rate, the show airs on the WB network, which has been advertising that a COS trailer with "never-before seen footage" will be airing during the pilot episode on Thursday. So, is anybody else watching this show? Are you watching strictly for the trailer, or for sentimental reasons (or other)? Magically yours, Lady L. From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 11:30:51 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:30:51 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter audio, now with philosophical musings on reading aloud In-Reply-To: <015201c25866$0dd3fba0$029ecdd1@istu757> Message-ID: Richelle wrote: > I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four Harry Potter books, but >I'm not sure which ones to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale >performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is it worth the money to >order the British versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a British >accent, but what about Jim Dale? I simply can't hear the books read >aloud without a British accent. I've never heard him, so I haven't >a clue, hoping someone out there can help me out. I had a grand time responding to this the other night when I couldn't sleep, but my computer must not have been feeling too well either because it couldn't cope with sending it. By preface, with all respect to Judi's children, children tend to prefer whatever is familiar. (Hm . . . I guess that's true of adults, too.) E.g., a child who saw the HP movie before reading the book would probably complain that the book got all manner of things wrong. I'm betting if they'd heard Dale first, they'd dislike Fry. I haven't done a conclusive comparative study, myself, much as I would like to, because I only have one volume of Fry and it isn't available in any libraries around here (I'm in the U.S.). I've listened to all four by Dale at least 3-4 times, and listened to the Fry GF at least 3. And like Judi's kids, my appreciation of the second I heard (Fry) was diminished by the fact that it, well, wasn't exactly like the one I'd heard first, though I got over that. In any case, I like them both very much, and think the differences between them, like reports of Mark Twain's death, are greatly exaggerated. Here are some of my thoughts on the two versions and on reading in general. ACTING VS. READING. The main distinction people always seem to make is that Dale "acts" while Fry "reads." I fall firmly in the "readers should act" camp, but I must differ with Haggridd--Fry does act, and acts very well (I recommend him as Jeeves, btw, but I digress). So those who want "acting," don't avoid Fry on that account, and those who want to avoid "acted" versions, you're out of luck. Ask a friend to read the books aloud in a monotone for you, because you're not going to get it from either of these men. I have been to plenty of public readings where the readers, either through shyness, total lack of acting ability, or conviction, read the words off the page with as little expression as possible. These were the writers themselves, who presumably had some emotional connection to the events and characters, but you wouldn't guess it by the way they read. I find this approach boring. Short of this extreme, I don't know what people mean when they say "a reader should read, not act." Imagine these lines "read, not acted": "=What=?" Harry gasped. "They've got . . . they've got =Ron=?" "The thing Harry Potter will miss most, sir!" squeaked Dobby. "And past an hour--" "--'=the prospect's black,='" Harry recited, staring, horror- struck, at the elf, "'=Too late, it's gone, it won't come back . . .=' Dobby--what've I got to do?" Wouldn't it sound a bit odd and stilted if the reader carefully avoided all expression? Shouldn't he or she sound just a bit horror- struck when reading Harry's lines? Would you really want to listen to 636 pages of Harry Potter, the London Phonebook? Some people, e.g. the readers-of-their-own-fiction of whom I wrote, say that they are trying to be neutral so as to stay out of the way of the written word. Well, I don't think it can be done. Once you start reading aloud, you are interpreting, and your only choice is what interpretation you will give. Trying to make your voice blank is like making a movie of the PS/SS without any human faces in it, and to this listener, almost as strangely horrifying. Reading Harry's discovery that his best friend is likely to drown in a blank voice would be, paradoxically, "acting," and bad acting at that. When I read to children, I don't put on a lot of accents, because I'm no good at them; much to my sorrow, e.g., I am incapable of doing justice to The Secret Garden, which I love and attempt to press onto every child I meet, as I have never been to Yorkshire and haven't the faintest idea how to pronounce "nowt." But though all the characters sound like a middle-class northeastern American woman when I give them voice, I do read with expression and emotion. I think it would be deadly dull if I didn't, and I doubt there are many people here who try to take all interpretation out of their voices when they read to children. ACCENTS The other major distinction that's often made between Fry and Dale is their use of different accents. There is no doubt that Fry does a lot less of this. Some people find it distracting to keep stumbling across a wide variety of accents, and if you're one of them, you'd probably do best to avoid Dale's Irish Seamus, Scottish Moody, Liverpudlian Bagman (uh . . . I *think* that accent is Liverpudlian. He sure sounds a lot like all the Beatles docudramas I've ever seen), etc. I only occasionally find it distracting. The biggest downside to Dale along these lines is that it imposes an interpretation that isn't in the text at all. Okay, Seamus is obviously of Irish extraction, but we don't know whether he has an accent; by giving him one, Dale has decided that Seamus actually lives in Ireland and doesn't just have Irish ancestry. In the case of Moody he's taking a couple of small cues and running with them (surely not everyone who says "laddie" is Scottish, but for Dale it's enough to make him settle on this accent, with the result that I envision Sean Connery in the role, albeit a bent and mangled Sean Connery). In the case of Bagman he's utterly making it up. The biggest downside to Fry along these lines, IMO, is that almost everyone sounds upper-class (i.e. like Fry). He can pull off a working-class accent when it's clearly indicated by the text (at least, he can do so well enough for my untuned ear), e.g. with Hagrid, but most of his characters sound very Etonish. I think this probably has to do with his lack of facility with accents rather than his actual judgment of the characters' social class. The effect is off-putting at times, though; Fred and George's cutting up tends to take the tone of incredibly witty, Noel-Coward-esque repartee, and I keep expecting George to say languidly, "Time for a spot of tennis! Get your whites on, Fred, there's a good chap, or we won't have time before we have to dress for dinner," and that just doesn't sound right to me. What social class the Weasleys *do* occupy has been the topic of discussion on the list; Catherine has made a cogent argument that they are of the "poor gentry" and wouldn't have middle-class accents. Still, those tennis whites bother my eyes. No doubt my own assumption that the Weasleys are not of a class likely to dine with Sebastian Flyte at Brideshead comes partly from the fact that my first encounter with them was via Dale, before I even read the books with my own eyes. VOICES A related issue is different voices, which is not the same as accent-- e.g. my friend J. and I have very similar accents, being from the same hometown and of the same class, but our voices are instantly distinguishable. Dale makes these subtle differences better than Fry, so that in his version, when Ron or Harry speaks unmarked by a "Ron said" or "Harry said," one can still tell which one is speaking. In Fry the dialogue gets slightly confusing here and there because some voices sound so similar, Harry and Ron's especially. Of course, we've all memorized the books, so this doesn't have much negative impact. Whether you like the voice a reader gives a character is a matter of personal taste. John Walton finds Dale's whiny Hermione intolerable (I think it's pretty excruciating too, but in Dale's defense, he usually saves it for lines that are tagged with "Hermione squealed" and the like); I find Dale's McGonagall a bit overdone and Fry's girls and women much too squeaky (Stephen, just for your information, women have only slightly higher voices than men--very few of us sound like Miss Piggy). They are both very consistent in their characterizations, but screw up now and then. Dale changed Sprout's voice radically over the four books, e.g. (I love the way she sounds in his GF. She is clearly relishing the phrase "bubotuber pus"). He also gives Fudge and Crouch two quite different voices but then mixes them up a couple of times. As with accents, Fry's characters have much less range of voice than Dale's. ACTING ABILITY/INTERPRETATION Since, as I said, both readers act, the question of how well they act and how we like their actorly decisions. For my part, I'm divided. Fry's characters seem a bit sharper, a bit angrier. Sometimes I don't like this; when Hermione speaks "briskly" he makes her sound like she's seething. Other times I like it a lot; with just a few key lines read with real irritation or impatience, Fry has made me rethink my interpretation of Harry as a very gentle and pretty easygoing soul. Fry seems to act the narrative bits more than Dale does, and I like that; he (Fry) reads the Quidditch match with excitement, e.g., even when he's just reading description, not dialogue. Dale seems in some ways the better actor--subtler in his characterizations, though some are over the top (and that's okay too). I would love to hear Fry's Lockhart. To sum up, they differ in many ways but don't take radically different overall approaches, and I like them both tremendously. We're really lucky to have two such good readers of our beloved books. So, my advice, if you're still listening, Richelle-- Richelle? Richelle? Wake up!--is to buy whichever one is not available in your local library, so that you can listen to both. If that means shelling out serious money for the version that must travel overseas, you could recoup some of the money by renting it to your neighborhood HP-starved fanatics. Or maybe report it as a professional expense. Have fun! Amy Z From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Sep 12 12:18:52 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:18:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] anybody watching the new COS trailer? Message-ID: <2395686.1031833132961.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> > Forgive me if I missed this thread (I did search, but didn't find it) > -- who's watching "Family Affair" tomorrow night? Well, I would watch it if I could, I personally don't have a television, and everyone I know has Direct TV, not cable. Around here Direct TV considers WB a local channel and doesn't offer local channels in the state. Go figure. Anyway, my dad lives in Florida, he has WB and is supposed to be copying it for me. Just in case. :) However, I'm having trouble believing their claims that this is the first full length trailer. It was stated to be 2 minutes, 17 seconds long. Wasn't the last trailer about that long? I suppose it could still have different footage, but I was expecting something longer with all the big deal they're making. Of course, compared to a 30 second tv spot, that is long. Richelle ---------- Forgive me if I missed this thread (I did search, but didn't find it) -- who's watching "Family Affair" tomorrow night? Part of me really doesn't want to watch. I remember watching as a kid, and don't know what "they" are going to do with it (I hate the way some things get ruined with modernization.). I also know that if I allow my son to watch it (I couldn't very well watch "Family Affair" alone could I?), he may like it. I don't know that I want to get into this weekly because of "never before seen footage". I'm debating (but I'll probably tune in, at least until I see the new trailer). For those who don't know what I'm asking/babbling about: the powers of Hollywood have seen fit to remake the tv series "Family Affair". I don't know who any of the other actors are, but Tim Curry is Mr. French. At any rate, the show airs on the WB network, which has been advertising that a COS trailer with "never-before seen footage" will be airing during the pilot episode on Thursday. So, is anybody else watching this show? Are you watching strictly for the trailer, or for sentimental reasons (or other)? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 13:52:12 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, John! Message-ID: <20020912135212.33881.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> *rolls out a trunk of decorations, hangs many, many streamers and blows up lots of pretty balloons* Someone out there help me with this cake before it lands on the floor. Just set it with the rest of the food on the side table. Thanks. Today's birthday honouree is John. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: john at queerasjohn.com I hope your day is full of fun and magic! Happy Birthday, John! Sheryll, swishing and flicking in honour of John's birthday :) ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Sep 12 11:12:17 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:12:17 +0000 (EST5EDT) Subject: Did anyone hear about..... Message-ID: the NY lottery yesterday? Supposedly, the numbers came up 9 1 1. CNN was talking about it. How totally bizarre is THAT?! They said they won't know if anyone or how many won until tomorrow or so. WEIRD I'm so annoyed. I was going to tape Family Affair tonight to catch the Harry preview but my cable company doesn't carry the WB tonight. It's UPN. ....sometimes I hate my cable company. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees & Deposits I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, 'Well, that's not going to happen.' From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 16:52:55 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Arthur parody Message-ID: <20020912165255.18343.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Linda C. McCabe" Subject: parody of HP on Arthur "I was watching the Arthur Show on PBS today and they had a parody of the Harry Potter series.The book that all the students were crazy over was "Henry Screever and the Cabbage of Mayhem." They were all waiting until midnight to get the latest book and competing with one another as to who read the book the fastest. Some of the sight gags went really fast and I couldn't get everything. Ididn't catch what they called Hogwarts, but it did have pigs on the coat of arms. Mr. Ratburn, Arthur's teacher, arrived at school in a flying red convertible and a Mango tree grabbed it with its branches. Then they had a game with flying carpets rather than broomsticks and they were supposed to catch a hopping bullion cube, and used tomatoes as Bludgers. One of the kids wanted a special limited edition from England. When it came, she found that it was in Braille. Prunella tried desperately to get her hands on a regular copy, but by that time all the copies were sold out or checked out of the library. To get a replacement regular copy was going to take an additional three weeks. So Prunella decided she had to learn Braille. She then bumped into a little blind girl in the library and became friends. The blind girl would read the book to Prunella aloud. Anyway, I thought people might be interested in hearing about this parody of HP. -- Athena" Now Me: I've seen that parody a few times now, having a 6 year old who loves the Arthur cartoon series on PBS. One of my favorite parts is when Mr. Ratburn corrects Prunella on the pronunciation of "Persephone" (she was saying per-se-phone as in tele"phone", and it's supposed to be per-se-fuh-nee), which correlates so well to Hermione and how many people, including myself, didn't know how to say her name. I was saying hair-me-own until book 4 cleared it up! Lilac ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 16:59:40 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HP Lego Sets Message-ID: <20020912165940.11610.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Heidi, I'm on it! --Lilac ---------------------------------- From: "Heidi Tandy" Subject: Re: New Harry Potter Lego sets Lego versions of Lucius and of Tom Riddle? Hmmm. Has anyone with film interests tried to make a fanflik with legos yet? No, not you John Walton! Heidi Tandy Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce http://www.FictionAlley.org -----Original Message----- From: "Richelle Votaw" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:52:14 To: Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Harry Potter Lego sets Real-To: "Richelle Votaw" I received my Lego fall catalog today, and was quite pleased to find the new Harry Potter sets in it. I don't know if anyone else suffers the same combined obsession as I do, Harry Potter AND Lego. :) There are eight in all, and my only complaint is that none of them includes Hermione! My only solution is that perhaps another set will be released in November that includes her. Not sure what, though. I'm listing prices here so those of you who keep up with Lego will know the approximate size of the sets. Here are the new sets in the catalog: Aragog in the Dark Forest ($20--includes Aragog, Harry & Ron) The Chamber of Secrets ($70, Harry, Ron, Ginny, Lockhart, Tom Riddle, Fawkes) The Dueling Club ($20--Snape, Lockhart, Draco, Harry) Sltherin House ($10--Crabbe, Goyle, Draco) Harry's escape from Privet Drive ($30--Harry, Ron, Uncle Vernon) Professor Dumbledore's office ($50--Dumbledore, Harry, McGonagall) Dobby is freed ($7--Dobby and Lucius Malfoy) Time for Quidditch practice ($13--Harry, Draco, Madame Hooch) Now to find them in stores! Richelle ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 17:01:11 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, John! In-Reply-To: <20020912135212.33881.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020912170111.2688.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Sheryll Townsend wrote: Today's birthday honouree is John. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: john at queerasjohn.com I hope your day is full of fun and magic! Happy Birthday, John! Sheryll, swishing and flicking in honour of John's birthday :) ===== All right, more party fun! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JOHN! May you have lots of HP gifts! May your Birthday Wish come true! Here is a huge toast of Butterbeer to you! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100%! "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From caliburncy at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 18:36:23 2002 From: caliburncy at yahoo.com (caliburncy) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:36:23 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter audio, now with philosophical musings on reading aloud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I do not own either the Stephen Fry or the Jim Dale audiobooks, nor have I ever borrowed them, so my only knowledge of the differences between the two is from audio clips that I've found on the Internet (publisher and bookseller sites sometimes have clips as a way of advertising). So with my lack of expertise appropriately established, I would like to make one addition to Amy's wonderfully in-depth comments. There is one other comparison between Fry and Dale that occurs to me, and that is the matter of inflection. It goes without saying, but obviously Fry and Dale do not read sentences with the same inflection, and (at least for someone like me) this has as much potential to inform one's preferences as the voices/accents/etc. in which that sentence is read. For example, I once found audio clips of both Fry and Dale reading Chapter 1 of PS/SS. This chapter has probably the strongest (if not necessarily the best) narratorial voice of any chapter in all of Harry Potter, since the narrator is in fact adopting (in a mocking tone) the attitudes of the Dursleys, whereas elsewhere in the novel the narrator is more unassociated (or, if associated with anyone, than with Harry, whose voice is not so marked). Anyway, the point being that this narratorial voice lends itself to certain potential inflections: The opening line ("Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, of number four Privet Drive, were proud to say that they were perfectly normal, thank you very much.") invites itself to be read in a certain way, although individual interpretation allows for a lot of subtler leeway within that broader guideline. And so the reader of the books must be sensitive to these implied inflections, but must also invent and embellish his or her own inflections as well. But beyond the jargon of the matter, the simple fact is that Fry or Dale may or may not read a line or sentence in the same manner you imagine, and this can often have as much or more to do with inflection as it does with voices/accents/etc. I suspect inflection is a large part of what Amy was in fact referring to when she talked about the advantages of Fry's descriptions, i.e. How she said he read the Quidditch matches in a way that may them exciting. (Of course, there's more than inflection here, there is pacing, there is intonation, and so on--but in another sense, both pacing and intonation are what create the cumulative effect that we call inflection in the first place, so perhaps that's a moot point.) The reason I bring this up, I suppose, is to underscore the fact that you can't really draw distinction between Fry and Dale's readings without having actually heard both and decided for yourself. There is nothing I can do that will explain the way in which Fry reads that opening line, and the way Dale reads it. I could say that I prefer Fry's version, but so what? I can't explain -why- in a meaningful way that will allow you to discern whether you would likely agree or disagree with my assessment. But I assure you that the aspect of inflection is as important as the other factors, at least for someone like me, who has in some senses a stronger aural imagination than a visual one, and therefore can't stand to hear lines read in a way that too strongly conflicts with the way I imagine them being spoken when I read it myself. (It is for this reason that I haven't bought either of the audiobooks.) So that inflection will affect which reader you personally find you prefer also, and there's no way to get a sense of that without hearing it. At this point I wanted to help you out with links to clips of each, but unfortunately I can't seem to track down any of the Stephen Fry clips I found before. However, there are some Jim Dale clips (in Real Audio format) at the official Random House page, which I'll provide a link for below, and there are also many other Jim Dale clips scattered across other sites. And perhaps you will have more luck tracking down the Stephen Fry clips than I. I know they're out there--or at least they used to be--but I can't seem to pinpoint their location at the moment. Here's the aforementioned Jim Dale link: http://www.randomhouse.com/audio/harrypotter/ And I hope you're able to find a way to hear Stephen Fry in order to compare and determine your own favorite. Good luck, -Luke From anise_leinen at yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 18:37:36 2002 From: anise_leinen at yahoo.com (Catherine Danielson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stop-Motion Lego Films In-Reply-To: <1031812236.348.13888.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020912183736.61315.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Heidi said: Has anyone with film interests tried to make a fanflik with legos yet? No, not you John Walton! NO! NO! Now you've put that idea in my head!!! (I am going to film school... and I know exactly how it would be done... and I have the equipment... no no no... too busy.. no... arghhh...) Anise __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From jillfigueroa at cox.net Thu Sep 12 18:51:38 2002 From: jillfigueroa at cox.net (daughter_of_jupiter) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:51:38 -0000 Subject: Farscape Message-ID: I know this is not HP related but it ocurred to me that there might be some Farscape fans amongst the group members. The SciFi channel is canceling Farscape. Fans of the show please visit the following site for details and ways to help keep it on the air. Thank you! http://farscape.wdsection.com/ From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com Thu Sep 12 20:13:44 2002 From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:13:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Farscape References: Message-ID: <3D80F578.4020409@kingwoodcable.com> This has been quite enteratining watching the hysteria surrounding the cancellation. Scifi never expected the fans to get in this much of an uproar. Today there's a protest outside the station building, and yesterday the "Save Farscape" efforts were noted at least twice on CNN Headline News. Yay! Scapers Unite! Take care Katze daughter_of_jupiter wrote: > I know this is not HP related but it ocurred to me that there might > be some Farscape fans amongst the group members. The SciFi channel > is canceling Farscape. Fans of the show please visit the following > site for details and ways to help keep it on the air. Thank you! > > http://farscape.wdsection.com/ From gypsycaine at neo.rr.com Thu Sep 12 22:31:10 2002 From: gypsycaine at neo.rr.com (Denise R) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, John! In-Reply-To: <20020912135212.33881.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020912223110.40528.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Hoobah John! Dances. Ok, so I'm late, but I've been having email problems! Dee ******************** The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. - Nathaniel Borenstein ******************** --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Sep 12 23:27:04 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:27:04 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter audio, now with philosophical musings on reading aloud References: Message-ID: <019401c25ab3$e80235e0$79a0cdd1@istu757> Wow, thanks so much to everyone for your input! I followed the link to Random House and listened to a chapter by Jim Dale. Not bad. Now I'm searching for Stephen Fry to compare. Haven't found one yet, but I'm not done looking. Amy Z writes: > To sum up, they differ in many ways but don't take radically > different overall approaches, and I like them both tremendously. > We're really lucky to have two such good readers of our beloved > books. So, my advice, if you're still listening, Richelle-- > Richelle? Richelle? Wake up!--is to buy whichever one is not > available in your local library, so that you can listen to both. Oh, yes, I'm still here! :) > If > that means shelling out serious money for the version that must > travel overseas, you could recoup some of the money by renting it to > your neighborhood HP-starved fanatics. Or maybe report it as a > professional expense. Hmm, wonder if I can pull that off. I could stick it in the listening center for my first graders. :) Wonder what they'd think? Anyhow, this is actually making me want both versions. My poor pocketbook. Still, all in all, why not? If you're going to have a Harry Potter collection, might as well go all the way. Thanks again for all the input! Richelle **************************************************************************** **** "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring **************************************************************************** **** From zeff8 at attbi.com Thu Sep 12 23:42:43 2002 From: zeff8 at attbi.com (zeff8) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:42:43 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] anybody watching the new COS trailer? References: Message-ID: <00b501c25ab6$175cca60$7452f50c@attbi.com> Guess they couldn't come up with any NEW ideas for NEW series.. How pathetic. Lets re-hash the old stories, because we can't find any talent to give us new ones.. Maybe its because the public fool system is broke? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ladylprekaun" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:22 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] anybody watching the new COS trailer? > Forgive me if I missed this thread (I did search, but didn't find it) > -- who's watching "Family Affair" tomorrow night? > > Part of me really doesn't want to watch. I remember watching as > a kid, and don't know what "they" are going to do with it (I hate the > way some things get ruined with modernization.). I also know > that if I allow my son to watch it (I couldn't very well watch "Family > Affair" alone could I?), he may like it. I don't know that I want to get > into this weekly because of "never before seen footage". I'm > debating (but I'll probably tune in, at least until I see the new > trailer). > > For those who don't know what I'm asking/babbling about: the > powers of Hollywood have seen fit to remake the tv series > "Family Affair". I don't know who any of the other actors are, but > Tim Curry is Mr. French. At any rate, the show airs on the WB > network, which has been advertising that a COS trailer with > "never-before seen footage" will be airing during the pilot > episode on Thursday. > > So, is anybody else watching this show? Are you watching strictly > for the trailer, or for sentimental reasons (or other)? > > Magically yours, > Lady L. > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Is your message... > An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. > Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. > Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. > None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. > Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From triner918 at aol.com Fri Sep 13 01:55:20 2002 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:55:20 -0000 Subject: Family Affair Message-ID: It Just Wasn't Right! Buffy and Jody were bratty, not cute like the originals. Tim Curry (although I like him) seemed too snarky for Mr. French. And anyway, the only reason I watched was for the CoS trailer. And my nitpick--the Howler was not nearly loud of enough! Trina, back in the swing of things at school, where I have my *own* speech room (albeit deskless)this year! P.S. The coconut got tossed uncracked. I would have starved on the Cast Away island. From ruhgozler at yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 02:05:24 2002 From: ruhgozler at yahoo.com (Linda Williams) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020913020524.12321.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Oh but my favorite was the opening scene with Erol delivering mail! The way the owl acted, flopping around in front of Hermione, was adorable. I thought Ron's reaction was perfect, not as over the edge as I was afraid he would be. Linda ===== "The Fiction-Pusher" just ask my addicted friends. http://www.fictionalley.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx Fri Sep 13 03:47:36 2002 From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:47:36 -0000 Subject: The Trailer In-Reply-To: <20020913020524.12321.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Linda Williams wrote: > Oh but my favorite was the opening scene with Erol > delivering mail! The way the owl acted, flopping > around in front of Hermione, was adorable. I thought > Ron's reaction was perfect, not as over the edge as I > was afraid he would be. > Linda The trailer is great, it has new footage (most of it) and some really funny parts like the howler or the "effects" of the Polyjuice potion on Harry and Ron (I was hoping to see Hermione but it would be such a spoiler). Leaky has a link to watch it. Gabriela From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 09:52:47 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Flick, not Filk! (Was Stop-motion Lego Films) Message-ID: <20020913095247.85897.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> From: Catherine Danielson Subject: Re: Stop-Motion Lego Films Heidi said: Has anyone with film interests tried to make a fanflik with legos yet? No, not you John Walton! NO! NO! Now you've put that idea in my head!!! (I am going to film school... and I know exactly how it would be done... and I have the equipment... no no no... too busy.. no... arghhh...) Anise -------------------------------- Me: Oops...Heid said FLIK, not FILK! Sudden onset of dyslexia at age 31. Sorry about that. You still might see a filk about HP merchandise, though...just to warn you. Lilac ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 15:42:33 2002 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:42:33 -0000 Subject: New Harry Potter Lego sets In-Reply-To: <012c01c259e5$df7ba380$7a9dcdd1@istu757> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > I received my Lego fall catalog today, and was quite pleased to find the new Harry Potter sets in it. I don't know if anyone else suffers the same combined obsession as I do, Harry Potter AND Lego. :) There are eight in all, and my only complaint is that none of them includes Hermione! Now me: I live in upstate New York, and there are Harry Potter Lego sets in stores here that have Hermione in them (one even has Emma Watson's picture on the front of the box)! ~Phyllis From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 15:48:42 2002 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:48:42 -0000 Subject: Question about Harry Potter audio In-Reply-To: <20020912015305.76713.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Richelle wrote: > I'd like to buy the audio CDs for all four Harry Potter books, but > I'm not sure which ones to get. The U.S. versions have Jim Dale > performing, or there's the UK Stephen Fry. Is it worth the money > to order the British versions? I'm assuming Stephen Fry has a > British accent, but what about Jim Dale? I simply can't hear the > books read aloud without a British accent. I've never heard him, > so I haven't a clue, hoping someone out there can help me out. Now me: I just bought the US versions with Dale reading (on sale at Barnes and Noble!) and yes, he has a British accent and, IMO, he's absolutely terrific! I don't have the Fry versions to do a comparison, though, but I think you'll be happy with Dale. ~Phyllis From drifty26 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 13 16:40:31 2002 From: drifty26 at hotmail.com (drifty_26) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:40:31 -0000 Subject: Convention - Looking for a travel partner Message-ID: Hi everyone. I'm looking for someone to travel to the HP convention with. I'm a 19-year-old (20 by July 03) Australian who's been living in England for the past six months. I'm working in Cambridgeshire until January, then will be hopping about around Europe & the UK for six months before heading to Florida. I'll more than likely be flying from London, but I can be pretty flexible about that. The reason I'm looking for someone to travel with is because I'd quite like to spend a week or two before/after the convention making the most of being in the US by having a look around the rest of Florida - probably Miami, the theme parks & Key West. I'm not going to be old enough to hire a car, and I also just like travelling with other people. I'm pretty friendly, and can get along with just about anyone. Nothing I've planned is set in stone and by July next year I'll have nothing holding me anywhere, so I can be extremely accomodating with regards to dates, times, places to go etc. If this sounds like it would suit anyone, they can email me at drifty26 @ hotmail dot com. Cheers, Liz From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Sep 13 19:35:56 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:35:56 -0000 Subject: Has anyone else noticed.... Message-ID: how if you run your mouse over the links on the WB Harry site really fast it sounds like steel drums? I've had this great Jamaican music festival going on here at my desk. OK....it's probably just me. Nevermind. Rachel Bray From ZaraLyon at aol.com Fri Sep 13 21:43:25 2002 From: ZaraLyon at aol.com (aurigae_prime) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:43:25 -0000 Subject: How Fanfiction.net celebrated 9/11 Message-ID: A day that should be a day to remember the freedoms granted American citizens was used by one of the net's biggest fanfiction sites to censor their authors. While ff.n spent 9/11 offline "in rememberance," the staff was busy removing all NC-17 rated fanfics. I'd like to point out here that part of why this action was taken was that these fanfics were popping up "in child-oriented catagories" which generally includes the Harry Potter category. I know that we have differing opinions as to whether or not HP is directed at children, but surely we agree that censorship should not be tolerated? Fanfiction.net has always had an age verification system for NC-17 fiction: to read the story, one must click on a pop-up window verifying that you are, indeed, over 18. Clearly, one can't read such a story "accidentally." As an adult, I enjoy reading adult stories. I hate to see such stories taken away because parents can't babysit their own children. There is a petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/KEEPNC17/petition.html designed to hopefully change the site owners' minds. I'm not sure how much good it will actually do, but it's certainly better than allowing ourselves to be censored, whether we read this material or write it, or even if we (the Americans here, at least) just value our right to free speech. Next week is National Banned Books Week; why not celebrate a little early and do your part to stop censorship? Thank you, Rhiannon From editor at texas.net Fri Sep 13 22:30:06 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:30:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Has anyone else noticed.... References: Message-ID: <00c101c25b75$1cfdede0$4c7c63d1@texas.net> Rachel observed: > how if you run your mouse over the links on the WB Harry site really > fast it sounds like steel drums? I've had this great Jamaican music > festival going on here at my desk. *Amanda smiles reassuringly at Rachel, and speaks gently and calmly as she pries Rachel's fingers off her mouse and helps uncurl her from her chair. She watches benevolently as Rachel is led away by reassuringly smiling men in white robes, who nod gently as Rachel chatters to them. Amanda hears, "Really, it's true, if you give each letter the value of its place in the alphabet, the totals of the 40th line on the 157th page of each book add up to 598! Isn't that amazing? And if you look at all the instances of the color puce occurring in conjunction with......" Rachel's voice fades. Amanda wanders to the window and gazes out as the still happily talking Rachel is put into the van. She must call the Anglia and warn him that we can only expect more of this at the clinics, as the wait for the next book keeps stretching farther and farther into the distance.....people just weren't built for this type of stress. She wonders if she should ask if he wants to co-author her paper, "Pre-Release Anxiety Disorder: The Effects of Deprivation on the Outlandish Theory Centers of the Brain." She sighs, and turns to go. It was way past time for her to be working on Volume 17 of her analysis of Snape ("Snape: Dumbledore's long-lost brother's second-cousin's wife's former lover's son"). --Amanda From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 14 20:20:42 2002 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:20:42 -0000 Subject: Help Remus Lupin! Message-ID: We all love Prof. Lupin and deplore the terrible handicap that cost him his teaching job. We all deplore it, but what have we done about it? Nothing! Well, here's an organization that's dedicated to saving Lupin and other people suffering with the same affliction, http://stu.wccnet.org/~bwells/gdt200/cabum1.html - CMC From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 19:40:09 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Save Remus! (Was Help Remus Lupin) In-Reply-To: <1032064229.1167.94956.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020915194009.93295.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:20:42 -0000 From: "Caius Marcius" Subject: Help Remus Lupin! We all love Prof. Lupin and deplore the terrible handicap that cost him his teaching job. We all deplore it, but what have we done about it? Nothing! Well, here's an organization that's dedicated to saving Lupin and other people suffering with the same affliction, http://stu.wccnet.org/~bwells/gdt200/cabum1.html - CMC -------------------------------------------- Thank the Heavens above you found this website, Caius! I know I for one will be sending my American dollars to help support this important organization. The pictures of the Lunatic and the 8 year old girl transforming into a werewolf were very compelling and disturbing. On a similar note, I found a website where there are selling ocean-front property in Arizona! Unbelievable! here's the url... wwww.onlyjoking.pulling-your-leg.just.kidding Lilac (sounds like something they would write for _The Onion_ newspaper! Thanks for the laugh, CMC) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 02:38:23 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:38:23 -0000 Subject: silly question Message-ID: Hello all, I know, I know, this is seriously off topic, but what is treacle? I have read about it many times in other british books, and it's always been in the back of my mind. What is it? Being an American, it sounds really icky, if you ask me. In the HP books JKR mentions treacle tart, treacle fudge...what else can you make with it? Just curious.... ;-) Alora From nplyon at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 05:29:52 2002 From: nplyon at yahoo.com (Nicole L.) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Save Remus (Was Help Remus Lupin) In-Reply-To: <1032142518.326.14017.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020916052952.74882.qmail@web20908.mail.yahoo.com> > > Thank the Heavens above you found this website, > Caius! I know I for one will be sending my American > dollars to help support this important organization. > The pictures of the Lunatic and the 8 year old girl > transforming into a werewolf were very compelling > and disturbing. > > > Lilac (sounds like something they would write for > _The Onion_ newspaper! Thanks for the laugh, CMC) > I know that I, for one, was outside tonight and cursing and shaking my fist at the moon. "D*mn you, moon!" I swear, I could feel it sucking the life out of me. I definitely am going to send them money so they can build the moon-bustin' missle! ~Nicole, who should be in bed by now...wonder why I'm always so tired when I'm at work! :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From raevynsong at softhome.net Mon Sep 16 08:48:35 2002 From: raevynsong at softhome.net (*Dinah*) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:48:35 +0200 Subject: Data-saving problem... Message-ID: <001601c25d5d$daa763a0$1a2a07d5@Dinah> Question to all those who know more about computer than I do... My Mum is getting a new hard-drive, additional to her old one, since that one's full. Problem is, she's going to delete everything that's on it beforehand and now I have lots of stuff that I need to safe to my laptop. My problem: the mp3s. They are small files compared to "normal" audio-files, but still my burning programme is saying I can't burn many on one CD because it doesn't judge by data but by the time-length of the files. Now, could I burn the mp3s not as audio CD but as data CD? Or will that corrupt all the data and I could just as well safe myself all the trouble? I'm a bit confused here, since I don't use that CD-burner often since it's rubbish, but I have such a lot off FanFiction and pictures stored on her PC that using disks would be too tedious... Help?! ~ Dinah ~ There is no denying the fact that writers should be read but not seen. Rarely are they a winsome sight. ~ Edna Ferber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Mon Sep 16 09:31:36 2002 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:31:36 -0000 Subject: Data-saving problem... In-Reply-To: <001601c25d5d$daa763a0$1a2a07d5@Dinah> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "*Dinah*" wrote: > Question to all those who know more about computer than I do... > > My Mum is getting a new hard-drive, additional to her old one, > since that one's full. Problem is, she's going to delete > everything that's on it beforehand and now I have lots of > stuff that I need to safe to my laptop. My problem: the mp3s. > > They are small files compared to "normal" audio-files, but > still my burning programme is saying I can't burn many on one > CD because it doesn't judge by data but by the time-length of > the files. That is because you are trying to record an audio-CD, i.e. the same type of CD that you by in a record-store, and to record that type of CD the burning-programme has to alter the mp3-files into the format used on music-CDs, which is a uniform format with regards to filesize vs length, and which has a much larger filesize. The capacity of the CD in megabyte translates into a given length in minutes, and for the Audio-CD fileformat this normally is 72 or 80 minutes, depending on type of CD-R/CD-RW. > Now, could I burn the mp3s not as audio CD but as data CD? Or > will that corrupt all the data and I could just as well safe > myself all the trouble? [snip] No, you should be OK recording it as a data-CD - all that does, after all, is copying the files as they are over to the CD, and it should not harm the files at all. Best regards Christian Stub? From editor at texas.net Mon Sep 16 12:04:18 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:04:18 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] silly question References: Message-ID: <008001c25d79$39e61080$5c7663d1@texas.net> Alora asked: > I know, I know, this is seriously off topic, but what is treacle? I > have read about it many times in other british books, and it's > always been in the back of my mind. What is it? Being an American, > it sounds really icky, if you ask me. It *is* really icky. It is molasses (or something very close to it). For some reason known only to the British, they call it by a name that sounds as if it were a petroleum derivative, which I thought it was for most of the "All Creatures Great and Small" series (which is where I also learned that the Brits like to think of their cars in terms of clothing: bonnet, boot, etc.). Don't feel bad, there's really no way you could have figured this one out (very similar to the whole clotted cream debate which spawned this list, which still sounds to me as if it were something that's gone bad and must be thrown out, but which the Brits amongst us assured me was actually a treat to the senses). --Amanda, not fond of molasses From raevynsong at softhome.net Mon Sep 16 13:14:05 2002 From: raevynsong at softhome.net (*Dinah*) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:14:05 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Data-saving problem... References: Message-ID: <000d01c25d82$f1488ab0$869507d5@Dinah> >[snip-a-dee-doo-dah] >No, you should be OK recording it as a data-CD - all that does, after >all, is copying the files as they are over to the CD, and it should >not harm the files at all. Thanks Christian... I hope this will work out. Because I'm just trying to safe all my other files and the only thing I get are error messages... but it has always been like that, it never worked properly... oh well, if all goes wrong I just have a lot of dowloading to do. Dinah From jenw118 at HotPOP.com Mon Sep 16 16:06:13 2002 From: jenw118 at HotPOP.com (Jennifer R. Wilson) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:06:13 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] silly question References: <008001c25d79$39e61080$5c7663d1@texas.net> Message-ID: <3D860175.000009.00696@oemcomputer> My response: Thanks for answering, Amanda. I have been wondering as well, I just wasn't brave enough to ask. I agree, it sounds extremely unappetizing! I had to laugh at the petroleum derivative comment. Clotted cream also sounds anything but good. Jennifer-who really enjoys reading Amanda's posts for a good laugh Amanda answered: It *is* really icky. It is molasses (or something very close to it). For some reason known only to the British, they call it by a name that sounds as if it were a petroleum derivative, which I thought it was for most of the "All Creatures Great and Small" series (which is where I also learned that the Brits like to think of their cars in terms of clothing: bonnet, boot, etc.). Don't feel bad, there's really no way you could have figured this one out (very similar to the whole clotted cream debate which spawned this list, which still sounds to me as if it were something that's gone bad and must be thrown out, but which the Brits amongst us assured me was actually a treat to the senses). --Amanda, not fond of molasses [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 16 16:13:11 2002 From: speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com (frankielee242) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:13:11 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, John! In-Reply-To: <20020912135212.33881.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John!! Happy birthday to you! Better late than never, it's the thought that counts, so on and so forth... BUT, I really do mean it-- Hope you had a wonderful birthday! Frankie From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 16 19:40:20 2002 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:40:20 -0000 Subject: silly question In-Reply-To: <008001c25d79$39e61080$5c7663d1@texas.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amanda Geist" wrote: > Alora asked: > > > I know, I know, this is seriously off topic, but what is > > treacle? Ihave read about it many times in other british books, > > and it's always been in the back of my mind. What is it? Being > > an American, it sounds really icky, if you ask me. > > It *is* really icky. It is molasses (or something very close to > it). For some reason known only to the British, they call it by a > name that sounds as if it were a petroleum derivative, Well, frankly, black treacle *looks* very like crude oil, being sort of ... black. And thick. And very viscous. It has to be attacked with a spoon; and I do mean attacked. It has a strong bitter-sweet taste. But 'treacle' is not just black treacle - it can be anything made with syrupy sugars. You get treacle tart (*very* sweet - think pecan pie minus pecans) which is made using a mixture of black treacle and golden syrup, or treacle pudding, which is made from just golden syrup (a more refined sugar syrup, golden in colour). And, of course, there's treacle toffee, a (very)chewy candy made from butter and black treacle only, traditionally eaten on bonfire night (November 5th). Treacle toffee gives hours of fun and amusement as we all watch Granny trying to get her teeth unstuck. It's also superb for stopping small children talking. For the entire evening. 'Treacle' is also used in British slang. If someone says they're 'drowning in treacle' they don't mean they're trapped in a vat of molasses. They mean somebody or something has got way too sentimental to cope with. > which I > thought it was for most of the"All Creatures Great and Small" series (which is where I also learned that > the Brits like to think of their cars in terms of clothing: bonnet, > boot, etc.). Don't feel bad, there's really no way you could have > figured this oneout (very similar to the whole clotted cream debate >which spawned this list,which still sounds to me as if it were > something that's gone bad and must be thrown out, but which the >Brits amongst us assured me was actually a treat to the senses). > Oh yes! If you ever get to visit Britain, try our clotted cream. Traditionally it should be eaten on a scone (sweet biscuit type thing) with jam (jelly). And, for a truly British experience, should be taken with a pot of hot tea, at between three and four in the afternoon. There are rules to these things, y'know. [grin] > --Amanda, not fond of molasses Pip (who spent several years being deeply puzzled at the phrase 'he fried some biscuits in the grease'[Starman Jones, R. A. Heinlein], as to her 'biscuits' equals 'cookies', and frying cookies wouldn't give very edible results) From aprilgc at ivillage.com Mon Sep 16 19:57:50 2002 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (ladylprekaun) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Subject: Quote help please, ye literate witches and wizards (OT) Message-ID: Hello all, I put "OT" in the subject line because I'm not looking for a quote from Potterverse. Maybe somebody out there can help me anyway. I've been collecting quotes (mostly to inspire myself), writing them in notebooks, or sticking them up on my workstation. Well, now I'm planning to use one, and of course I can't find it. In my last cleaning attack I got rid of all my sticky notes (so much for industry), and I don't know which notepad (of many) this one's in. I can't even remember what I was reading when I came across it. If anybody has a clue of the source, or where I might search for it, I'd be most appreciative. I memorized it as: "In order to achieve his dream, the dreamer must first wake up." That is close to the original, if not exact. Does that sound familiar to anybody? Thanks in advance. Magically yours, Lady Leprechaun From joyw at gwu.edu Mon Sep 16 20:37:12 2002 From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:37:12 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Quote help please, ye literate witches and wizards (OT) References: Message-ID: <00cd01c25dc0$d6763410$f5243244@Joy> I was procrastinating, so I did a search on a few quote sites (my favorite is quoteworld.org). There are a couple of quotes that sound similar: "It takes a person who is wide awake to make his dream come true." -- Roger Ward Babson "The dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." -- T. E. Lawrence "The best way to make your dreams come true is to wake up." -- Paul Ambroise Valery I'm a quote collector myself, so I know that "can't quite remember" feeling. Hope that helps! ~Joy~ From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 04:15:29 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:15:29 -0000 Subject: silly question In-Reply-To: <3D860175.000009.00696@oemcomputer> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer R. Wilson" wrote: Clotted cream also sounds > anything but good. Ohhh, No, NO!! CLotted cream is FABULOUS. It's heaven on a scone...or a biscuit, in my case. I have a recipe I make every now and then and I love it. It's terribly fattening, though. Mmmmm, clotted cream, lemon curd *SIGH* I should have been born in England, but only for the sweet stuff! Alora From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 04:17:44 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:17:44 -0000 Subject: silly question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "bluesqueak" wrote: > > But 'treacle' is not just black treacle - it can be anything made > with syrupy sugars. You get treacle tart (*very* sweet - think pecan > pie minus pecans) which is made using a mixture of black treacle and > golden syrup, or treacle pudding, which is made from just golden > syrup (a more refined sugar syrup, golden in colour). > > And, of course, there's treacle toffee, a (very)chewy candy made from > butter and black treacle only, traditionally eaten on bonfire night > (November 5th). Treacle toffee gives hours of fun and amusement as we > all watch Granny trying to get her teeth unstuck. It's also superb > for stopping small children talking. For the entire evening. > > 'Treacle' is also used in British slang. If someone says > they're 'drowning in treacle' they don't mean they're trapped in a > vat of molasses. They mean somebody or something has got way too > sentimental to cope with. > > > > which I > > thought it was for most of the"All Creatures Great and Small" > series (which is where I also learned that > > the Brits like to think of their cars in terms of clothing: bonnet, > > boot, etc.). Don't feel bad, there's really no way you could have > > figured this oneout (very similar to the whole clotted cream debate > >which spawned this list,which still sounds to me as if it were > > something that's gone bad and must be thrown out, but which the > >Brits amongst us assured me was actually a treat to the senses). > > > > Oh yes! If you ever get to visit Britain, try our clotted cream. > Traditionally it should be eaten on a scone (sweet biscuit type > thing) with jam (jelly). And, for a truly British experience, should > be taken with a pot of hot tea, at between three and four in the > afternoon. > > There are rules to these things, y'know. [grin] > > > --Amanda, not fond of molasses > > Pip > (who spent several years being deeply puzzled at the phrase 'he fried > some biscuits in the grease'[Starman Jones, R. A. Heinlein], as to > her 'biscuits' equals 'cookies', and frying cookies wouldn't give Wow! Thanks for the great responses. I now have a better idea what treacle is. I don't think I want to eat it, either *LOL* Here's another I thought about today: steak and kidney pie. Sounds awful, but does it taste good? What is in it? Alora From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Sep 17 12:58:39 2002 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:58:39 +1000 Subject: Of dreams and schemes Message-ID: <001c01c25e49$f55c84e0$482132d2@price> Lady Leprechaun: > I memorized it as: "In order to achieve his dream, the dreamer must first wake up." That is close to the original, if not exact. Does that sound familiar to anybody?< Joy's come up with some likely candidates, but let me toss in two excerpts (not exactly quotables, but passages I've remembered) along dreamy lines which *approve* of dreaming: "Guess this world needs its dreamers/ May they never wake up" (Prefab Sprout) "There's nothing more dangerous in life than dreams that come true (...). I've nothing left to dream about, and not even you could teach me how to dream again." (Michael Ende) On the subject of dreamy quotes, I once concocted this silly game which had me and one of my sillier friends giggling. Think of a song, any song, with the word "dream" prominent in the lyrics. Replace "dream" with "scheme", sing and enjoy! "Sweet schemes are made of these..." "Scheme a little scheme of me..." "Someday you'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, the lovers, the schemers and me..." "Only trouble is, gee whiz, I'm scheming my life away... sche-e-e-e-e-me, scheme scheme scheme, when I want you, in my arms..." "High on a hill, looking at a distant sky, I like to sit alone, Just Scheming..." And so on. And so on. (OK, so I was having a silly day).... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fiatincantatum at attbi.com Tue Sep 17 12:59:29 2002 From: fiatincantatum at attbi.com (Fiat Incantatum) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:59:29 -0000 Subject: Quote help please, ye literate witches and wizards (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "ladylprekaun" wrote: > > I memorized it as: "In order to achieve his dream, the dreamer > must first wake up." That is close to the original, if not exact. > Does that sound familiar to anybody? would it happen to be this one: "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." -Frank Herbert Fiat From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 17 13:56:25 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:56:25 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: silly question References: Message-ID: <3D873489.000003.73827@monica> Wow! Thanks for the great responses. I now have a better idea what treacle is. I don't think I want to eat it, either *LOL* Here's another I thought about today: steak and kidney pie. Sounds awful, but does it taste good? What is in it? Alora Exactly what it sounds like steak and kidneys chopped up in gravy, surrounded by pastry like with most pies. Better is steak and kidney pudding which is made with suet pastry but that usually has to be steamed rtather than just bunged in the oven. I guess it depends whether you like kidney as to whether you like this - personally I do, but then I quite like black pudding too (although with that I have steadfastly ignore what's in it) K From nplyon at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 14:19:12 2002 From: nplyon at yahoo.com (Nicole L.) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 764 In-Reply-To: <1032240362.941.92685.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020917141912.80028.qmail@web20903.mail.yahoo.com> > Oh yes! If you ever get to visit Britain, try our > clotted cream. > Traditionally it should be eaten on a scone (sweet > biscuit type > thing) with jam (jelly). And, for a truly British > experience, should > be taken with a pot of hot tea, at between three and > four in the > afternoon. > > There are rules to these things, y'know. [grin] Just what is the cream clotted with, I ask. Obviously, I'm American as well. To me, the word "clot" should never be used in conjunction with food as it presents some very unpleasant imagery. :) I am very afraid of clotted cream as it sounds similar to what happens to my milk when I haven't disposed of it by its due date. :) I really need to know what clotted cream is before I could feel comfortable about eating it. Hey, it took me quite some time to convince myself that eating cottage cheese was a good idea (are British folk familiar with this?)! > > Pip > (who spent several years being deeply puzzled at the > phrase 'he fried > some biscuits in the grease'[Starman Jones, R. A. > Heinlein], as to > her 'biscuits' equals 'cookies', and frying cookies > wouldn't give > very edible results) Hahaha, I can only imagine what you might think of the traditional Southern U.S. favorite biscuits and gravy. How's that for some unpleasant imagery for a British person? :) ~Nicole, who highly enjoys any discussions that help her to learn more about another culture. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 18:14:23 2002 From: virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com (Megan) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:14:23 -0000 Subject: Computer smarty needed Message-ID: Hey...random question. For some reason unbeknownst to me, my computer has stopped displaying most foreign characters and is replacing them with question marks. I don't recall changing any of the settings to do with the keyboard, language, or typeface, etc. How can I fix this? It's getting really annoying seeing these question marks everywhere. Thanks! -Megan From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 17 20:13:50 2002 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:13:50 -0000 Subject: Steak and Kidney pudding, or how to eat the entire cow (WAS silly question) In-Reply-To: <3D873489.000003.73827@monica> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: > > Alora writes: > Wow! Thanks for the great responses. I now have a better idea what > treacle is. I don't think I want to eat it, either *LOL* > > Here's another I thought about today: steak and kidney pie. Sounds > awful, but does it taste good? What is in it? > > Alora > Kathryn replied: > Exactly what it sounds like steak and kidneys chopped up in gravy, > surrounded by pastry like with most pies. Better is steak and > kidney pudding which is made with suet pastry but that usually has > to be steamed rtather than just bunged in the oven. > I guess it depends whether you like kidney as to whether you like this - Kathryn Broadly speaking, over 2000 years of famine, war, and having the lord of the manor invariably steal the decent cuts of beef have taught Europeans that it is possible to eat *all* parts of a cow, from the tip of the tongue (boil it, chill and press it with a heavy weight to make chilled ox-tongue) to the tip of the tail (boil again, with any available vegetables, to make either ox-tail stew, or oxtail soup). The cow's head is included in 'edible' (boil, with herbs, then remove skull. Chill remaining fluid until it becomes a jelly like substance called brawn) as are the feet (guess what! You boil them for *hours*, then chill until you get a substance called calves-foot jelly. The Victorians used to feed it to invalids - who would generally, on being faced with this stuff, either die immediately, or make a miraculous recovery). The innards of a cow can be quite nice. Kidney is popular,especially in steak and kidney pudding/steak and kidney pie. Liver is generally stewed or braised with onions; sweetbreads (the pancreas and thymus) are also also braised. Heart is generally cooked with a bread and herb stuffing in the holes. Brains are now no longer sold, due to the BSE crisis, but I believe Dr. Hannibal Lecter has a very nice recipe suggestion. Tripe, which is canonical, is the lining of the cow's stomach. There are many recipes for tripe, most of which try to hide any taste of the actual tripe. Tripe cooked on its own looks and tastes exactly like boiled knitting. The general opinion of tripe is probably best suggested by the slang use of the word 'tripe' - which means rubbish, garbage, absolutely worthless. You will have worked out by now that we are down to the bones (which you boil, for stock or for soup). And the hide. This is the only part of a cow that we don't actually eat. Unless it genuinely is a famine, in which case you boil the ruddy thing. Otherwise, you sell the hide to the leatherworkers. Are you beginning to realise why your ancestors emigrated? [evil grin] Pip (Actually, steak and kidney is very nice. But avoid tripe ;-) ) From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 17 21:07:02 2002 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:07:02 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 764 (Clotted Cream) In-Reply-To: <20020917141912.80028.qmail@web20903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Just what is the cream clotted with, I ask. > Obviously, I'm American as well. To me, the word > "clot" should never be used in conjunction with food > as it presents some very unpleasant imagery. :) I am > very afraid of clotted cream as it sounds similar to > what happens to my milk when I haven't disposed of it > by its due date. :) I really need to know what > clotted cream is before I could feel comfortable about > eating it. Hey, it took me quite some time to > convince myself that eating cottage cheese was a good > idea (are British folk familiar with this?)! > ~Nicole, who highly enjoys any discussions that help > her to learn more about another culture. The joke in the West Country (the district where the process was invented) is that clotted cream is made by persuading the cow to jump up and down to 'clot' (thicken) its milk. But in real life, you can feel safe about clotted cream. It's not clotted *with* anything - instead you scald the milk at 182 Farenheit, removing a lot of the water content, then allow it to cool overnight in a nice sterile dairy. The cream is then skimmed off - since most of its water content has been removed by the scalding it is incredibly thick (in British West Country dialect 'clotted'). If you like cream, you will adore clotted cream. And yes, we do know about cottage cheese. It comes with limp lettuce and a carrot stick, to be eaten while on a diet.[grin] Pip From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 21:46:58 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:46:58 -0000 Subject: Quote help please, ye literate witches and wizards (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lady Leprechaun wrote: > I put "OT" in the subject line because I'm not looking for a quote > from Potterverse. You're in the right place--no need to add (OT). It is the paradox of OTChatter: posts related to HP are on-topic and therefore off-topic. Zen Master Amy From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 21:50:33 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:50:33 -0000 Subject: Of dreams and schemes In-Reply-To: <001c01c25e49$f55c84e0$482132d2@price> Message-ID: Tabouli concocted: > On the subject of dreamy quotes, I once concocted this silly game >which had me and one of my sillier friends giggling. Think of a >song, any song, with the word "dream" prominent in the lyrics. >Replace "dream" with "scheme", sing and enjoy! "Close your eyes and I'll kiss you, tomorrow I'll miss you, and hope that my schemes will come true . . ." "I scheme of Jeannie with the light brown hair..." "You may say I'm a schemer, but I'm not the only one . . . " You're right--this is fun! Amy giggling illegally in the library From ruhgozler at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 23:21:29 2002 From: ruhgozler at yahoo.com (Linda Williams) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Digest Number 764 (Clotted Cream) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020917232129.86375.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> Go to an import store and get some. It is sinfully delicious! Pick up some scone mix while you're there. They go together. Linda ===== "The Fiction-Pusher" just ask my addicted friends. http://www.fictionalley.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From pennylin at swbell.net Wed Sep 18 02:34:23 2002 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:34:23 -0500 Subject: Announcing the Board of Directors ..... Message-ID: <04cd01c25ebb$e6b67e10$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01> Hi everyone -- I'm pleased to announce the directors of HP Education Fanon, Inc., a non-profit corporation that we've formed for a variety of HP-related educational purposes, including the oversight and management of the planning of periodic symposia for the fans and scholars of HP. For those who don't know, HP4GU and FictionAlley are the primary promoter groups for the upcoming HP symposium in Orlando in July 2003 (Nimbus - 2003: A Harry Potter Symposium). Details at: www.hp2003.org DIRECTORS -- The directors are listed in alphabetical order: Rob Ihinger was born in Southern California, but has lived in Minnesota for more than three decades now. Clean air, clean water, clean (but interesting) politics . . . no reason to leave. An attorney by training, librarian by inclination, salesman by necessity, all around nice guy by sheer luck. Stumbling into science fiction fandom by happy coincidence, he has volunteered for more than thirty conventions including Worldcon, World Fantasy Convention, Minicon, Fourth Street Fantasy Convention and others, in such roles as Executive Committee, Head of Operations, Hotel Head, Volunteer Coordinator, Troubleshooter, Communications Officer, Liaison, Moderator and Program Participant, Badger, and Gopher. Served on the Board of Directors of the Minnesota Science Fiction Society for five years, including the year of complete Bylaw rewriting. Believes his writing group holds the record for continuous meeting without producing a single manuscript. Peg Kerr was born in a Chicago suburb, moved to Minnesota to attend St. Olaf College, and has stayed in Minnesota ever since. With $50.00 from her first paycheck from her first job out of college, she registered for a science fiction and fantasy writing class. There, she met her husband and wrote the first story she ever sold. In hindsight, this is all quite pleasant consolation for the fact that she was fired from her job the day the class started. She attended the Clarion Writers Workshop in 1988 and has an M.A. in English Literature, specializing in speculative fiction. Her fiction has appeared in various science fiction and fantasy magazines and anthologies. Emerald House Rising is her first novel. The Wild Swans, a stand-alone fantasy based on the Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale, is her second. She presently lives in Minneapolis with her husband, Robert Ihinger, and two daughters. Barb Purdom studied classics and anthropology at Temple University years ago and still lives in her native Philadelphia with her husband and kids, working as a freelance singer (chamber music) and also attending school once more (architecture). Steve Vander Ark is the creator of the Harry Potter Lexicon, the premier Harry Potter informational site on the internet. We're still waiting for his full bio, but he's been busy this week renovating the Lexicon. John Walton is a 21-year-old New Yorker with a British accent who is finishing up his MA in International Relations at the University of St Andrews in Scotland. John is also a part-time educator, specialising in dyslexia, hyperlexia, ADD, ADHD and autistic spectrum students. He's a Moderator of HPforGrownups and is the Ombudsman (independent adjudicator) of FictionAlley. His LiveJournal can be found at www.queerasjohn.com. You can view biographical sketches of all the members of the Nimbus - 2003 planning team at: http://www.hp2003.org/cast.html If you wish to contact the Nimbus - 2003 planning team, please send an email to: help at 2003.org We are all very excited about the ongoing plans and hope to have considerably more information to pass on here in the coming weeks! Thanks for your patience -- Penny Co-Chair, Programming Committee From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 02:36:53 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:36:53 -0000 Subject: costumes Message-ID: Okay, here is yet another seriously off topic question. Does anyone here know of a discussion/group/list that shares information on how to make a Harry Potter costume? Or maybe you have seen a website that has information? I'm probably way too late for this Halloween, but I want to put together a costume (not sure yet what, though) anyway, as I get the time. Anyone have any suggestions? Does anyone SEW?! *LOL* ;-) I can sew, but not all that well. And by the time I am finished with a project, I am ready to end it all. Thanks for any input! Alora :) From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Sep 18 02:46:22 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:46:22 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] costumes References: Message-ID: <018201c25ebd$93fc2380$609ecdd1@istu757> ----- Original Message ----- From: alora To: Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] costumes > Okay, here is yet another seriously off topic question. Does anyone > here know of a discussion/group/list that shares information on how > to make a Harry Potter costume? Or maybe you have seen a website > that has information? I'm probably way too late for this Halloween, > but I want to put together a costume (not sure yet what, though) > anyway, as I get the time. Anyone have any suggestions? Does > anyone SEW?! *LOL* ;-) I can sew, but not all that well. And by > the time I am finished with a project, I am ready to end it all. > Thanks for any input! > > Alora :) I wish. I would LOVE to have a McGonagall outfit for Halloween. I'd be hot as anything, but I'd wear it! That would be so cool. However, I haven't seen anything. Closest I can come is a site "Knitting in Harry Potter." I don't knit, so I haven't a clue if it tells enough to actually make things or not. They do analyze the costumes, though, at least the sweater ones. http://hpknitting.tripod.com/ Do let me know if you find anything of interest! Richelle **************************************************************************** **** "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring **************************************************************************** **** From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 02:56:45 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:56:45 -0000 Subject: costumes In-Reply-To: <018201c25ebd$93fc2380$609ecdd1@istu757> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Richelle Votaw" wrote:> > I wish. I would LOVE to have a McGonagall outfit for Halloween. I'd > be hot as anything, but I'd wear it! That would be so cool. However, I > haven't seen anything. Closest I can come is a site "Knitting in Harry > Potter." I don't knit, so I haven't a clue if it tells enough to actually > make things or not. They do analyze the costumes, though, at least the > sweater ones. > > http://hpknitting.tripod.com/ > > Do let me know if you find anything of interest! > > Richelle Richelle, I want a Minerva outfit, too!! Great minds think alike, eh? ;) I don't know where you are, but in Texas, I would fry in an outfit like that. You never know, here, if it will be cool or hot on Halloween - more often than not, it's HOT. As for the Harry Potter sweaters, I am getting ready to order one from the company that made them for the movie! :D I'm getting a cranberry colored one with my own initial on it. See what a Harry Potter geek I am? Here's the company link if you want it https://secure.bises.org/prideandjoyonline/acatalog/ They are a bit on the expensive side, but I don't care! I've been saving up for it, because I can't knit worth a darn. Anyway, they are worth a look, they are so lovely! Alora From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 03:00:17 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:00:17 -0000 Subject: the HP convention Message-ID: I'm in a posting mood today, aren't I? I lurk forever, then Bam - I can't keep my mouth shut. Is anyone planning on going to this Nimbus 2003 convention? I've been watching the yahoo group on it, and I think it will be great. Anyone else going? Alora From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 06:21:12 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Of Dreams and Schemes....in bed... Message-ID: <20020918062112.1651.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> << And so on. And so on. (OK, so I was having a silly day).... Tabouli.>>> ---------------------------------- Very fun, Tabouli! Here's another fun song game my husband taught me, but it's a little "dirty".....put "in bed" after the title of a song: "Sweet Dreams are Made of These"...in bed "I Only Have Eyes for You"...in bed you get the drift... Lilac (who seems to be getting quite dirty-minded and potty-mouthed lately...must be the moon..."Damn you, Moon!" ) ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com Wed Sep 18 07:29:10 2002 From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:29:10 -0000 Subject: Texas / regional groups (was "costumes") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "alora" wrote: > I want a Minerva outfit, too!! Great minds think alike, eh? ;) I > don't know where you are, but in Texas, I would fry in an outfit > like that. You never know, here, if it will be cool or hot on > Halloween - more often than not, it's HOT. >>>>>>>> Hi Alora-- Don't have any help for you on the costume, but since you mentioned Texas, it brought to mind our regional group. It's mentioned in the HB File, but I just thought I'd give it some more notice. If you're interested in finding where your fellow Texans are (I'm in San Antonio ), you might like to join (we keep threatening to have a get together one of these days): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Texas/ Also, to everyone, we have lots of regional groups. You can find links to them here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/links/Regional_HPfGU_Lists _000999973547/ And, oh, I hope we have a cool Halloween this year...at least cool enough to turn off the AC... :-D --Kelley From nplyon at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 07:47:01 2002 From: nplyon at yahoo.com (Nicole L.) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Eating the Whole Cow Scares Me Message-ID: <20020918074701.59064.qmail@web20902.mail.yahoo.com> Argh! I keep forgetting to change my subjects before I send my messages. The fact that it's nearly 4am probably doesn't help. :) Anyway, here's attempt #2. --- "Nicole L." wrote: > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:34:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Nicole L." > Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 765 > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com > > > > You will have worked out by now that we are down > to > > the bones (which > > you boil, for stock or for soup). And the hide. > This > > is the only part > > of a cow that we don't actually eat. Unless it > > genuinely is a famine, > > in which case you boil the ruddy thing. Otherwise, > > you sell the hide > > to the leatherworkers. > > > > Are you beginning to realise why your ancestors > > emigrated? [evil grin] > > > > Pip > > (Actually, steak and kidney is very nice. But > avoid > > tripe ;-) ) > > Eeeesh. I don't even like good old American beef, > which is usually very lean and of the choicest cut. > The eating of other parts of animals is not very > common in the U.S., although my mom did say that my > grandma used to make them eat pigs' feet from time > to > time. > > Yes, our ancestors emigrated so that we could all > eat > choice USDA black Angus beef. God bless the U.S.A.! > > :) Who needs religious freedom or taxation *with* > representation when you can eat a nice juicy T-bone > steak??? Of course, how can I be astonished by a > country that eats every last bit of the cow when we > Americans eat McDonald's and hot dogs on a regular > basis? Still, I think I'll stick with that over > tripe. > > ~Nicole, who is even more American than she > realized. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From nplyon at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 07:47:58 2002 From: nplyon at yahoo.com (Nicole L.) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Should Cream Really Be Clotted? Message-ID: <20020918074758.13036.qmail@web20910.mail.yahoo.com> Another oopsie. I'm going to bed now, I promise. :) --- "Nicole L." wrote: > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:43:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Nicole L." > Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 765 > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com > > > The joke in the West Country (the district where > the > > process was > > invented) is that clotted cream is made by > > persuading the cow to jump > > up and down to 'clot' (thicken) its milk. > > > > But in real life, you can feel safe about clotted > > cream. It's not > > clotted *with* anything - instead you scald the > milk > > at 182 > > Farenheit, removing a lot of the water content, > then > > allow it to cool > > overnight in a nice sterile dairy. > > > > The cream is then skimmed off - since most of its > > water content has > > been removed by the scalding it is incredibly > thick > > (in British West > > Country dialect 'clotted'). If you like cream, you > > will adore clotted > > cream. > > This will sound strange coming from the land of the > fast food restaurants but I don't like cream. It's > much too rich for me. This may be because I am so > accustomed to drinking skim milk that anything that > has any milk fat in it just seems far too creamy for > me. If I ever visit the U.K., though, I think I'll > try it because I've always been curious about it. > > > > > And yes, we do know about cottage cheese. It comes > > with limp lettuce > > and a carrot stick, to be eaten while on a > > diet.[grin] > > Only if it's low fat or fat free. :) I love the > U.S. > You can buy cookies, pizza, cheese, pretty much > anything that's usually bad for you in "reduced" fat > or "fat free" form. Does this exist anywhere else > in > the world? I live on low fat and fat free food and > diet pop (soda for anyone who lives outside of the > Midwestern U.S.) so I don't think I could function > in > Europe. Diet Coke is a regular part of my diet and > the last time I was in Europe Coke was about as > expensive as alcoholic beverages are here. > Sometimes > my grocery store has pop on sale for $2 a twelve > pack > so that's what, about 25 cents a can? Yep, pop is > cheaper than bottled water here. > > ~Nicole, who can't imagine a world without Diet > Coke, > Pepsi One, Diet Sprite... > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From keegan at mcn.org Wed Sep 18 14:14:39 2002 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:14:39 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] costumes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020918070847.00fc6b08@mail.mcn.org> At 02:36 AM 9/18/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Okay, here is yet another seriously off topic question. Does anyone >here know of a discussion/group/list that shares information on how >to make a Harry Potter costume? Most of the costumes (I'm assuming that you're talking about the robes) are easy. They look to be variations on the basic caftan pattern. The ridiculous pointy hats are buckram forms with fabric either glued or stitched. Probably glued since they made so many. What these need to look right is really wonderful fabric. The flow looks like they either lined them or used middle weight and heavier fabrics. Snape's buttoned cuff pants are another matter. The vest can probably be found in the vest section of the commercial patterns. You might try f-costume - the fantasy costume list. Catherine in California From nplyon at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 16:45:21 2002 From: nplyon at yahoo.com (Nicole L.) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fun with Songs and Fortune Cookies (Was Re: Of Dreams and Schemes) In-Reply-To: <1032340385.471.84241.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020918164521.3551.qmail@web20910.mail.yahoo.com> > > Very fun, Tabouli! > > Here's another fun song game my husband taught me, > but it's a little "dirty".....put "in bed" after the > title of a song: > > "Sweet Dreams are Made of These"...in bed > > "I Only Have Eyes for You"...in bed > > you get the drift... > > Lilac (who seems to be getting quite dirty-minded > and potty-mouthed lately...must be the moon..."Damn > you, Moon!" ) > > Isn't that funny? My husband also taught me a fun little game with the words "in bed" only you append them to the end of the fortune you get out of your fortune cookie. These are pretty funny too. I think my latest one was: You will be loved and admired...in bed Try it. It works with pretty much any fortune you get. ~Nicole __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From gandharvika at hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 17:12:18 2002 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:12:18 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Robes Message-ID: Alora Wrote: >Okay, here is yet another seriously off topic question. Does anyone >here know of a discussion/group/list that shares information on how >to make a Harry Potter costume? Or maybe you have seen a website >that has information? I'm probably way too late for this Halloween, >but I want to put together a costume (not sure yet what, though) >anyway, as I get the time. Anyone have any suggestions? Does >anyone SEW?! *LOL* ;-) I can sew, but not all that well. And by >the time I am finished with a project, I am ready to end it all. >Thanks for any input! > >Alora :) Yes! Yes! Thank you! I'm *so* relieved that I'm not the only freak around here that wants her own set of robes! JoAnn Fabrics (here in the States, I don't know about else where...sorry) is having a 50% off sale on all patterns, and there is a nice selection to choose from. It depends on if you want a simple tunic or something more cool. Lots of Harry Potter-like stuff. I got me Simplicity pattern 0614, "Costumes for Adults" where there is a pattern for a tunic, a robe with long billowy sleeves and a smart witches/wizards hat that has a cute little crik at the top. You can see a picture of it here: http://www.simplicity.com/s4index.htm Under Catalog, 'click' "Costumes" Then, on the right, 'click' on "Adults" 4 'clicks' on the "next page" icon will take you there... it's marked #9887...you can't miss it. #9891 is also shown there...nice, very feminine (if you want to go that route). I looked at the instructions this morning...it's really not that hard to make. Needs about 8 to 9 yards for the robe and hat alone, but it's the coolest one I saw in the store IMHO. And if you start now I'm sure you'll be on time for Halloween. But why just Halloween? I'm seriously considering wearing my new "dress robes" for the new Harry Potter movie (if I don't chicken out at the last moment, that is). And then, there's always Nimbus 2003, Orlando! -Gail B. who always loved to play "dress-up"...still does! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 18:12:55 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:12:55 -0000 Subject: Robes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Gail Bohacek" wrote: > Yes! Yes! Thank you! I'm *so* relieved that I'm not the only freak around > here that wants her own set of robes! > > JoAnn Fabrics (here in the States, I don't know about else where...sorry) is > having a 50% off sale on all patterns, and there is a nice selection to > choose from. It depends on if you want a simple tunic or something more > cool. Lots of Harry Potter-like stuff. > > I got me Simplicity pattern 0614, "Costumes for Adults" where there is a > pattern for a tunic, a robe with long billowy sleeves and a smart > witches/wizards hat that has a cute little crik at the top. You can see a > picture of it here: > > http://www.simplicity.com/s4index.htm > > Under Catalog, 'click' "Costumes" > Then, on the right, 'click' on "Adults" > 4 'clicks' on the "next page" icon will take you there... it's marked > #9887...you can't miss it. #9891 is also shown there...nice, very feminine > (if you want to go that route). > > I looked at the instructions this morning...it's really not that hard to > make. Needs about 8 to 9 yards for the robe and hat alone, but it's the > coolest one I saw in the store IMHO. > > And if you start now I'm sure you'll be on time for Halloween. But why just > Halloween? I'm seriously considering wearing my new "dress robes" for the > new Harry Potter movie (if I don't chicken out at the last moment, that is). > And then, there's always Nimbus 2003, Orlando! > > -Gail B. who always loved to play "dress-up"...still does! > Gail, I love to dress up, too! You know, I had forgotten that people dress up at the movie premieres....maybe I could do that. I wonder if my kids would sit with me if I did :D. Hehe. I love McGonagall's outfit, the one with the green velvet - it's beautiful. I agree that the fabric can really make the entire outfit, though, so I'll look into that. Great patterns! They don't look TOO difficult. Wish me luck! Alora > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 18:13:55 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:13:55 -0000 Subject: costumes In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020918070847.00fc6b08@mail.mcn.org> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Catherine Keegan wrote: > You might try f-costume - the fantasy costume list. > > Catherine in California You know, I hadn't thought of that! I'll try the list. Thank you! Alora From sorgalim1970 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 18:23:37 2002 From: sorgalim1970 at yahoo.com (sneeky_witch) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:23:37 -0000 Subject: the HP convention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "alora" wrote: > I'm in a posting mood today, aren't I? I lurk forever, then Bam - I > can't keep my mouth shut. Is anyone planning on going to this > Nimbus 2003 convention? I've been watching the yahoo group on it, > and I think it will be great. Anyone else going? > > Alora Alora, One good thing came out of your posting frenzy. You've brought me out of my long and seemingly never-ending lurkdom :-)) To answer your Q? Not only am I heading to the convention, but I've joined the volunteer corps to help organize it. ~Em From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Sep 18 15:00:06 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:00:06 +0000 (EST5EDT) Subject: HAHAHAA! A hilarious way to waste some time... Message-ID: <77EFC20DB7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> ...is to join one of the anti-Harry Potter groups and read the messages. I've been sitting here laughing myself sick over some of them. *laughs hysterically and wanders off for another art therapy session using popsicle sticks and string* Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees & Deposits I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, 'Well, that's not going to happen.' From heidit at netbox.com Wed Sep 18 19:06:14 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:06:14 -0400 Subject: I read the news today, oh boy! In-Reply-To: <77EFC20DB7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <004501c25f46$7a091440$3701010a@Frodo> Rachel wrote: > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HAHAHAA! A hilarious way to waste > some time... > > > Real-To: Rachel Bray > > ...is to join one of the anti-Harry Potter groups and read > the messages. I've been sitting here laughing myself sick > over some of them. > > *laughs hysterically and wanders off for another art > therapy session using popsicle sticks and string* > Here's a better way... Go read the news article about the Stouffer case. As I just posted to The Leaky Cauldron: Thanks to Chimene, we've learned that Yahoo posted an article about the resolution of the Nancy Stouffer vs JK Rowling (and Scholastic, and WB) case here.

We're going to try and hunt down the court's ruling so I can see exactly what trademark and copyright cases the court cited (if anyone has it, please send it to staff at the-leaky-cauldron.org), but for now, we can report that the court said that "Stouffer had lied to the court and doctored evidence to support her claims." Stouffer was fined $50,000 for this "pattern of intentional bad faith conduct." Doctored evidence? WHAT A SURPRISE! She's also responsible for some of their attorney's fees! I think I speak for many of us when I say... Hahahhahahahahahaha! And if anyone can get their hands on the court's ruling, I *really* want to read it! From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Sep 18 19:15:47 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:15:47 -0000 Subject: I read the news today, oh boy! In-Reply-To: <004501c25f46$7a091440$3701010a@Frodo> Message-ID: What wonderful news!! And I can't believe she lied and doctored her evidence! What a moron. Well, it's not that big a surprise that she lost the case. She didn't have much hope from the beginning. But it's funny that she has to pay some of JK's attorney fees, too. Yay, Rowling! A great victory! And may I send a big fat raspberry out to Stouffer. Rachel Bray From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 19:26:08 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I read the news today, oh boy! In-Reply-To: <004501c25f46$7a091440$3701010a@Frodo> Message-ID: <20020918192608.29106.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com> heiditandy wrote: As I just posted to The Leaky Cauldron: Thanks to Chimene, we've learned that Yahoo posted an article about the resolution of the Nancy Stouffer vs JK Rowling (and Scholastic, and WB) case We're going to try and hunt down the court's ruling so I can see exactly what trademark and copyright cases the court cited This is the best news! I agree along with Rachel! When I first joined this wonderful group, I never heard of that woman! I have been many book clubs over the years and never saw her in print! Well, what comes around comes around and she has got hers! Thank you for making my day with this wonderful news! She not only lies, but she can't write either! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gandharvika at hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 22:21:37 2002 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Ann Bohacek) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:21:37 -0000 Subject: Robes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alora wrote: > I love to dress up, too! You know, I had forgotten that people > dress up at the movie premieres....maybe I could do that. I wonder > if my kids would sit with me if I did :D. Hehe. I love > McGonagall's outfit, the one with the green velvet - it's > beautiful. I agree that the fabric can really make the entire > outfit, though, so I'll look into that. Great patterns! They don't > look TOO difficult. Wish me luck! Luck! If your kids are into it, dress them up too! Take some pictures. Have fun! Also, if you're talking about hot, as in sweaty, velvet will do it! Luckily movie theatres are air conditioned! -Gail B. From gandharvika at hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 22:28:46 2002 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Ann Bohacek) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:28:46 -0000 Subject: Something's Funny With My Computer Message-ID: You know, I've been getting all my messages from HP4G, Chatter and Convention sites all sent direct to my e-mail. But just now they've all stopped coming and I've checked the Yahoo group page and it says that I *should* be getting it. I'm a little bit miffed at this inconvience and I don't know what could be wrong (being the computer moron that I am). Anybody have any suggestions what might be wrong and how I might be able to fix it? -Gail . From gandharvika at hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 22:29:07 2002 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Ann Bohacek) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:29:07 -0000 Subject: Something's Funny With My Computer Message-ID: You know, I've been getting all my messages from HP4G, Chatter and Convention sites all sent direct to my e-mail. But just now they've all stopped coming and I've checked the Yahoo group page and it says that I *should* be getting it. I'm a little bit miffed at this inconvience and I don't know what could be wrong (being the computer moron that I am). Anybody have any suggestions what might be wrong and how I might be able to fix it? -Gail . From heidit at netbox.com Wed Sep 18 22:33:13 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:33:13 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something's Funny With My Computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c25f63$6310ed90$0201a8c0@Frodo> > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Ann Bohacek [mailto:gandharvika at hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:29 PM > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something's Funny With My Computer > > > Real-To: "Gail Ann Bohacek" > > You know, I've been getting all my messages from HP4G, Chatter and > Convention sites all sent direct to my e-mail. But just now they've > all stopped coming and I've checked the Yahoo group page and it says > that I *should* be getting it. I'm a little bit miffed at this > inconvience and I don't know what could be wrong (being the computer > moron that I am). Anybody have any suggestions what might be wrong > and how I might be able to fix it? It's highly likely that your messages are bouncing, which means you need to reset your email settings - on your main page over in YahooGroups you should be able to fix it. Good luck! From zeff8 at attbi.com Wed Sep 18 22:46:25 2002 From: zeff8 at attbi.com (zeff8) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:46:25 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Robes References: Message-ID: <00fc01c25f65$38254f20$7452f50c@attbi.com> Gale and Alora, I too am going dressed up, as a Gryffindore Professor. I am on Potterchat.com an interactive chat room, and my name there is professor chase. I have a robe, a Gryffindor Scarf, the tie, and all I need is that blue /grey sweater that the kids wear over their white shirts, and wala.. full costume ready to go.. Yes, I even have the black wizards hat.. Can't wait for the movie. I have friends that are going dressed up too. One as McGonnagal, one as Snape. (yes we are adults). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Ann Bohacek" Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Robes > > Alora wrote: > > > I love to dress up, too! You know, I had forgotten that people > > dress up at the movie premieres....maybe I could do that. I wonder > > if my kids would sit with me if I did :D. Hehe. I love > > McGonagall's outfit, the one with the green velvet - it's > > beautiful. I agree that the fabric can really make the entire > > outfit, though, so I'll look into that. Great patterns! They > don't > > look TOO difficult. Wish me luck! > > Luck! > > If your kids are into it, dress them up too! Take some pictures. > Have fun! > > Also, if you're talking about hot, as in sweaty, velvet will do it! > Luckily movie theatres are air conditioned! > > -Gail B. From gandharvika at hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 22:53:31 2002 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Ann Bohacek) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:53:31 -0000 Subject: Something's Funny With My Computer In-Reply-To: <000101c25f63$6310ed90$0201a8c0@Frodo> Message-ID: Heidi so kindly replied: > It's highly likely that your messages are bouncing, which means you need > to reset your email settings - on your main page over in YahooGroups you > should be able to fix it. Good luck! Okay...I'm a dummy...maybe you can walk me through this? I got to "My Preferences", and they showed me my "Bounced Messages History" and something about "Remote host said 452 out of memory". Is this something I should get worried about? Does this mean *sob* I won't be able to get my messages to my e-mail ever again?!?! From gandharvika at hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 23:01:43 2002 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Ann Bohacek) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:01:43 -0000 Subject: All Points Bulletin (was: Robes) In-Reply-To: <00fc01c25f65$38254f20$7452f50c@attbi.com> Message-ID: Zeff Wrote: > I have friends that are going dressed up too. One as McGonnagal, one as > Snape. > (yes we are adults). Hurray for you! This has got me thinking...I'm living here in Philadelphia P.A. and I wouldn't mind going to the movie with some other Harry Potter freaks who like to play "dress up" and have some intellegent conversation afterwards...maybe sing some filks...you can e-mail me directly: gandharvika at hotmail.com -Gail B. From boggles at earthlink.net Thu Sep 19 01:29:11 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:29:11 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Digest Number 764 (Clotted Cream) In-Reply-To: <20020917232129.86375.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020917232129.86375.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 4:21 PM -0700 9/17/02, Linda Williams wrote: >Go to an import store and get some. It is sinfully >delicious! Pick up some scone mix while you're there. > They go together. What is the difference between a scone and shortcake? (I mean real shortcake, not the spongy things they sell in groceries, of course.) -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From ruhgozler at yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 02:15:16 2002 From: ruhgozler at yahoo.com (Linda Williams) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Digest Number 764 (Clotted Cream) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020919021516.81259.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> ??? I'm not real sure what kind of shortcake you mean. Do they make a "good" kind? I always think of scones as biscuits (the American kind) with sugar and possibly fruit. Linda --- Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote: > What is the difference between a scone and > shortcake? (I mean real > shortcake, not the spongy things they sell in > groceries, of course.) > > -- > - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon ===== "The Fiction-Pusher" just ask my addicted friends. http://www.fictionalley.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From boggles at earthlink.net Thu Sep 19 02:24:49 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:24:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Digest Number 764 (Clotted Cream) In-Reply-To: <20020919021516.81259.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020919021516.81259.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 7:15 PM -0700 9/18/02, Linda Williams wrote: >??? I'm not real sure what kind of shortcake you >mean. It's basically a Southern-style cathead biscuit, only it's made with sweet milk instead of buttermilk and it's slightly sweet. (I can post a recipe from one of the Junior League cookbooks if you'd like more detail.) Old Southerners make them for strawberry shortcake, peach shortcake, etc. >Do they make a "good" kind? Who's "they," in this case? You can't sell real shortcake easily, as they go stale once they get cold - that's why you find restaurants serving "strawberry shortcake" on those awful packaged spongy things. >I always think of >scones as biscuits (the American kind) with sugar and >possibly fruit. Right - which sounds an awful lot like a shortcake to me. -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From heidit at netbox.com Thu Sep 19 03:14:33 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:14:33 -0000 Subject: the HP convention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "alora" wrote: > I'm in a posting mood today, aren't I? I lurk forever, then Bam - I > can't keep my mouth shut. Is anyone planning on going to this > Nimbus 2003 convention? I've been watching the yahoo group on it, > and I think it will be great. Anyone else going? > > Alora A bunch of people are already posting travel arrangements on our message board here: http://pub35.ezboard.com/fhporlandofrm1 - it lets people talk about who is traveling from where. Also, there've been a bunch of posts on our LiveJournal at http://www.livejournal.com/users/hp_orlando/ and on other LJs by people from around the fandom who are trying to attend. We're thrilled with the number of submissions in response to the Call for Papers (panels, proposals, presentations, etc,.) and I really think the numbers we've been getting in the survey (results are here: http://www.createsurvey.com/cgi-bin/graph? s=4225&magic=hy20cmhZoe3eyNC) are terrific as well. (ps - anyone can still take the survey here: http://www.createsurvey.com/cgi- bin/pollfrm?s=4225&magic=hy20cmhZoe3eyNC) I really hope to see hundreds of fandomers there! heidi sponsorship chaser hp2003.org From triner918 at aol.com Thu Sep 19 03:17:52 2002 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:17:52 -0000 Subject: Mindless miscellany Message-ID: Just checked up and saw the fabulous news about the Stouffer lawsuit. Yay rah! Having spent some time sitting on the floor of Books-a-Million attempting to read the frightful thing, I can only commend the judge for crying "Tripe" when tripe was served. (And I thank David Niven in "Please Don't Eat the Daisies" for the quote.) I will also wear my Snitch pin in honor of the judgement. Clotted cream: I found a tiny jar of Devon Cream at Ingles, Publix, or Bi-Lo, I forget which (I'm old and the memory is going). And it is really good on hot rolls. Nimbus 2003: I wanna go! Maybe this will be the event that gets me down to my friend's place in Kissimee. Trina Age: Older than wrapping paper From eloiseherisson at aol.com Thu Sep 19 14:29:58 2002 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:29:58 -0000 Subject: scones, shortcake and biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote: > > > What is the difference between a scone and shortcake? (I mean real > shortcake, not the spongy things they sell in groceries, of course.) > I always promised myself I'd stick to the main board. But....well, resolutions were made to be broken and anyway I'm intrigued! A scone, to us, (at least, the kind you eat with clotted cream) is a kind of cake, sort of related to soda bread. You can taste the soda in them, or at least they give you that funny feeling on your teeth you get from eating soda bread. Although some recipes call for eggs, normally they contain just flour, butter, milk and baking powder (that's a mixture of cream of tartar and bicarbonate of soda, in case you call it something different)- oh and a pinch of salt. You can add dried fruit, or alternatively, cheese, so they can be sweet or savoury. Usually you roll out the dough and cut it into individual rounds, but mine tend to go flat, so I do what my mother always did and make one big round which I divide into six segments before cooking. They're one of those things which benefit from minimal handling Ideally you eat them very soon after cooking as they go stale very quickly. We also have things called girdle scones, which look more like your pancakes and are cooked on a griddle. In fact 'drop scone' is an alternative name for Scotch (please note, this is one of the few times you are allowed to use this word, aside from whisky)pancakes, which are pretty synonymous with what you just call pancakes - I think. (We use the word pancake on its own to denote a crepe.) But you don't eat any of those with clotted cream. Well, I wouldn't! But I don't understand your use of shortcake! To me, shortcake is a synonym for shortbread, that *very* rich, buttery biscuit (British usage) particularly associated with Scotland. I know you mean something different, but I've never fathomed what. And what do you mean by 'biscuit', anyway? Or did someone already explain? Eloise Who was very confused, when she first lived in Tokyo, by the use of the term 'English muffin', when the pack clearly showed they weren't made in England and only realised later that Americans differentiate our muffins as English as we differentiate theirs as American-style! From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 15:28:49 2002 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:28:49 -0000 Subject: calling john walton . . . Message-ID: John, just a quikie, (well, not that kind of quickie!!) I just read your bio on Penny's announcement of the BOD for Nimbus - 2003 and I would like to ask you a question regarding Aspergers Syndrome (with your background, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) This seems to be the new buzz word in schools these days. You can email me at dradamsapple at yahoo.com. Sorry for posting this on this list but I can't find your email address in the short amount of time I have this morning (I gutta go to work!!) Thanks! Anna . . . From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Thu Sep 19 15:45:36 2002 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:45:36 -0000 Subject: scones, shortcake and biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "eloise_herisson" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jennifer Boggess Ramon > wrote: > > > > > > What is the difference between a scone and shortcake? (I mean real > > shortcake, not the spongy things they sell in groceries, of course.) > > > But I don't understand your use of shortcake! > To me, shortcake is a synonym for shortbread, that *very* rich, > buttery biscuit (British usage) particularly associated with Scotland. > I know you mean something different, but I've never fathomed what. > > And what do you mean by 'biscuit', anyway? Or did someone already > explain? > > Eloise In the US, there are two types of shortcake: one that resembles a genoise cake in texture, ingredients and appearance(the spongy supermarket variety is a sub-type of this) and one that resembles a biscuit/scone. An "American" biscuit resembles a scone. It differs from English scones in that most scone recipes include egg, American biscuits do not for the most part. However, most American-biscuit-style shortcakes do include eggs, so it's more like a scone than a biscuit ingredient-wise. Back to shortcakes, most shortcakes in the US appear as "strawberry shortcake", that is a biscuit/scone split in the middle and filled with a layer of sliced sweetened strawberries and a dollop of whipped cream, and assembled in a sandwich-fashion, like Devonshire Splits. Milz From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Sep 19 13:02:39 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:02:39 +0000 (EST5EDT) Subject: happy Snoopy dance all over the place Message-ID: <8DFB6254D1@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> There's a link on The Leaky Cauldron about JK Rowling's interview with Newsround. She says that book 5 is longer than Prisoner and looks like it's getting close to Goblet size. Woo-hoo! Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees & Deposits I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, 'Well, that's not going to happen.' From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 17:14:05 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:14:05 -0000 Subject: happy Snoopy dance all over the place In-Reply-To: <8DFB6254D1@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: You beat me to it! --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rachel Bray wrote: > There's a link on The Leaky Cauldron about JK Rowling's > interview with Newsround. She says that book 5 is longer > than Prisoner and looks like it's getting close to Goblet > size. > > Woo-hoo! > > > Rachel Bray > The Ohio State University > Fees & Deposits > > I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I > get to the end and think, 'Well, that's not going to happen.' No, it's not just a one-liner... just wanted to stick that in the top. I am thrilled with this news, and though I know in my head that we'll still have 5 months of waiting *after* she gets it in, at least I know now that she'll probably get it in before Christmas, and that I'll be able to get the new (LONG!) book before my birthday. Yay yay yay! Very glad it's longer than she'd anticipated. Very. As far as I'm concerned, I'm glad to wait for a very long book. :) Jen P., very happy - and off to feed the baby again. From starling823 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 23:56:47 2002 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Abbie) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:56:47 -0000 Subject: today's hot legal discussion -- Nancy Stouffer =) In-Reply-To: <004501c25f46$7a091440$3701010a@Frodo> Message-ID: Well, Heidi and everyone else, I couldn't get the *ruling*, but I am close: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1032128573950 I work in a law school library, and not five minutes after I'd checked my email and seen Heidi's message and the responses about our old friend Ms. Stouffer, the mail was delivered, with a nice big ol' article on Nancy's crushing loss on the *front page* of the New York Law Journal. My bosses were convinced I'm odd to start with, but it took a long time to explain to them why I was whooping around the library, chanting "we made the Journal, we made the Journal" and cackling. Nancy, dear, good luck scraping together enough dough to pay off that 50 grand. ::looks innocent:: Abbie, who loves it when work and play combine --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "heiditandy" wrote: > > I think I speak for many of us when I say... > > Hahahhahahahahahaha! > > And if anyone can get their hands on the court's ruling, I *really* want > to read it! From triner918 at aol.com Fri Sep 20 00:44:23 2002 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:44:23 -0000 Subject: Eating the whole cow Message-ID: I was at Publix this evening on a grocery run and in the meat department I *actually* saw tripe in the meat case. I stopped up short thinking,"What the hell is that?" And, I must say, it did NOT look appetizing! Trina, delurked and on a posting spree! From niemuthervin at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 20 01:35:42 2002 From: niemuthervin at worldnet.att.net (animagi_raven) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:35:42 -0000 Subject: New Q/A thing from HPFGU Message-ID: This post got turned into a ferret and bounced from HPFGU. I'll post it here in case there is some amusement value in it. A sink in a girl's bathroom on second floor drops away and a tunnel appears. A tall man in a black cape emerges covered in, well ? `stuff'. "I have just been performing a sanitation inspection and this place just does not pass. No treatment at all! The MoM will be hearing about this! What's that? Another survey? I only look at these if they are, well, *random* or odd. This one is by Fyre Wood. That meets the criteria." Fyre Wood writes: > so here we go =) > 1.Do you think we'll ever go inside an Arithmacy class or perhaps any > other classes we have yet to see? I don't want to see any of the classes that have been mentioned so far, but I would like to see something like `Creation of Magical Artifacts.' Was it in the fifth year that the Marauders made their map and Riddle made his diary? Not sure about the timing but it could fit. I do really like Lilac's answer to this question even if it is related to fanfic. > 2. Do any of the pets in Harry Potter seem like they're not *really* > pets. Trevor is probably an animal but there is something about him. Maybe a little `tape recorder' that his uncle downloads each summer to check on how things are going for Neville. (Or spies on Dumbledore, hmmm...ever-so-evil great-uncle Algie?) > 3. Name you favorite new organization with letters (Ie: N.I.N.E= > Neville is not Evil) and try to come up with your own. SINNER Subtle Imperious Nets Nefarious Evil Result was my only try at this - unpublished before now. For an unfelt Imperious Curse on Sirius causing him to not want to be the Potter's Secret Keeper. Canon seems to indicate that an Imperious is sort of like a club to the head so I dropped it. Oh, well, it's dead unless canon changes. > 4. Will Draco ever stop being oh so evil? I hope not. That would end half of the fun. Though if he is alive at the end of book 7 I could see him in a symmetrical position to Snape. Not good, per se, but on the other side. It's a start. > 5. Predictions on the final chapter of book 7? Boring, mushy stuff, unless JKR can add one last twist at the very end. The second to last chapter will be a great one. Twists, turns, who is selling out who, who to AK. Like I said ? great. > 6. Ron and Hermione--Will they hook up? Yes (sigh) I'm not a shipper but I think JKR will put all of the couples together that get initially set up. The individuals drift around for a while but end up back together: Ron and Hermione, Harry and Ginny, Hagrid and Maxine, Fletcher and Figg, Snape and McGonagall and . . . what is with the strange look I am suddenly getting? Everyone else caught that, right? > 7. What's the deal with Wizard money? Does it collect interest? Why > is it so darn big and heavy? Why not paper money instead of coins? My guess is that with ink and paper you can counterfeit it. But IMO, you can not *create* gold and silver out of nothing (posts on this subject from a month back, for those interested) or transmute it. OK unless you have a rare stone with special properties ? I'll get turned into a ferret and bounced unless I add that. As for interest, I don't have any (bad, I know but I'm moving on). > 8. If you could play any Quidditch position, what would it be? Why? > Which team? When I was Harry's age I would have been a seeker or chaser (small, fast and maneuverable). Near the end of school I definitely outgrew `small' so I now I would be a beater (move around and annoy everybody) or a keeper (stay put and annoy the opponents). In school I would play for Ravenclaw (no surprise, I suppose) and in the pros for the Wigtown Wanderers. Too long to explain that . . . I would need some practice, though, any `pick-up' games tonight that I could apparate to? > 9. Name a character who is going to have the most change in his/her > characterization between books 5-7, and explain what changes might > happen. Wow, serious question. Should I answer? OK, I'll give a Sirius answer. He will get over his `thing' with Snape, be cleared, and have to learn how to live on the outside of Azkaban as Harry's foster dad ? unless he `bites it' of course. 50/50 as to whether he'll be alive at the end of book 7. > 10. What new flavors of Bertie Bott's beans would you like to eat? Dumbledore already took my two favorites. I'll go with `motor oil' or `swamp gas'. Maybe butterscotch toffee caramel cr?me if I was staring one right in the face. > I'll answer this later.. it's more of a random thing. Perhaps someone > will *actually* reply to a post I make without slamming me for liking > Draco Malfoy and saying that Neville is in fact NOT evil. =) Bouncing ferrets is for other people. I'm just in this for the weirdness. I want to add one question from the previous survey: > 3. Identify the next DADA teacher. I would like to nominate Fyre Wood as the next DADA professor. She seems to have some experience in the `dark arts' (or just likes them, anyway). She wouldn't treat Neville badly. She would show a preference to Draco, but I could live with that. Before anyone thinks this is silly, consider: *better than Fleur* (need I say more?) As long as we are on the subject I know of another woman (well, female) that also has some experience in DADA: Winky. NNNOOOOOOOOO! Animagi_Raven runs over to Moaning Myrtle's toilet, sticks his head in, and begins trying to flush himself. P.S. Happy birthday, Fyre Wood From Schlobin at aol.com Fri Sep 20 03:45:58 2002 From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:45:58 -0000 Subject: Ian McKellen on SNL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "lupinesque" wrote: > Cindy wrote: > > > > Cindy (who thinks Sir Ian is kinda cute, and she doesn't normally > > go > > > for older men) > > Porphyria wrote: > > > Yeah, I'm glad you said this 'cause I was really turned on by him in > > LOTR and I kind of freaked myself out. He's, um, 30 years older than > > me. > > Oh, I can remember quite a lot of drooling by the male-inclined > members of the Z household back 20-some years ago when he was in The > Scarlet Pimpernel (along with Anthony Andrews, who used to make my > sister swoon but who wasn't my type). > > Amy > who's above that kind of thing now ;-) Goodness, Amy, who did he play in the Scarlet Pimpernel? One of our favorite movies..... Susan From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 03:51:12 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hurray for our side! Stouffer gets hers! Message-ID: <20020920035112.34160.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> As I posted way last year when all this started, she is a liar and always has been one! What comes around comes around and she got hers! I have been in book clubs for years! Never have I seen a book of hers or ever heard of her until I joined this great group and everyone was mentioning this Stouffer Woman! Well, the truth has come out and I knew it would! She not only can't write, but she certainly has to pay out a lot! Truth wins! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 07:51:45 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Eating the whole cow Message-ID: <20020920075145.65460.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Trina" Subject: Re: Eating the whole cow <<>> It's cow stomach, isn't it? And, it's from that famous line in POA or GOF, "Tripe, Sybil?" from Minerva. Classic! I find this thread about food from England and America fascinating! Thanks for starting it, Nicole! I am very interested in the British culture, like she is! One thing about the food, in reference to Pippin's post describing how the whole cow gets used up (I think for steak and kidney pie), and Nicole's response of being glad to be in America to just be able to eat a good steak, not the whole cow (or something to that effect...I'm paraphrasing, and it's also very late, so it could all be in my imagination...). I just wanted to mention that we DO use the whole cow here in America. Or at least we did when Laura Ingalls Wilder was growing up. If you've ever read that series, you can appreciate the fact that EVERYTHING was used and NOTHING went to waste. Loved those books! Makes you appreciate everything modern. Here's a question I've been wanting to ask ....have you ever heard of the group "Barenaked Ladies"? I'm interested to know which music groups are popular or at least well known in England that are from America. I know you know Madonna (she lives there now, right?), Michael Jackson, etc. I know there are groups from England here that are popular, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. Give me a couple of days (it's late). Lilac (who has a recipe for Yorkshire pudding but hasn't tried it yet) ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From morrigan at byz.org Fri Sep 20 09:35:13 2002 From: morrigan at byz.org (Vicki) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 04:35:13 -0500 Subject: Perl Scripting, Anyone? In-Reply-To: <20020920075145.65460.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey all - I'm looking for someone who can do Perl scripts. Myself and a few other crazy people are working on a new HP website and we've run into a bit of a snag. We don't have anyone with programming talents. This is a fan site, so we can't offer much money (of course, if you'd like to do it for free out of your love of Harry Potter, that's always good!), but you can feel good about helping us to get the most professional site possible on our private funds and will to succeed. Sounds good, right? I hope! :) If you or someone you know might be willing, please email me at morrigan at byz.org. Thanks! Vicki From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 20 12:09:34 2002 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (Mary Ann) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:09:34 -0000 Subject: Guess what! Message-ID: The clock radio next to my bed turns on BBC Radio 2 in the morning, and usually I snuggle up for a bit before wretching my body of out bed. This morning, however, I sat bolt upright when I heard that JKR is *expecting*! Yes, according to the BBC our dear Jo is again in the family way. Part of me screams "Congratulations!", but another part of me is screaming "If her morning sickness is severe the book will be delayed for another 3 months!". So I really, really hope that most of the editing is done and that OoP will be out in early 2003. Please!? And JKR, I hope your pregnancy goes well for your own comfort as well. Mary Ann (off for a spouseless and childless weekend...yippee!) From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 20 15:16:34 2002 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:16:34 -0000 Subject: JKR in Today's WSJ Message-ID: The Wall Street Journal FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2002 Rowling Says She's Polishing Fifth `Potter' DON'T WORRY -- the next Harry Potter is just around the corner. Author J.K. Rowling said in an interview that she has completed the bones of her long-awaited fifth book, "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix," and is in the process of tweaking and polishing. She said she is satisfied with the work she has produced and has written a beginning, middle and ending. Ms. Rowling attributed the delay on this latest book to exhaustion from her last book, the distractions of fame, the length of the manuscript and changes in her personal life. The best-selling author, who remarried last December and has a nine-year-old daughter, added that she is four months pregnant. Ms. Rowling declined to set a date when she will submit the manuscript to her publishers, Bloomsbury Publishing PLC in Britain and Scholastic Inc. in the U.S., but she didn't contradict a suggestion that the work could be submitted within three to six months. "When will I hand it in? I don't want to say, but it won't be very long," she said. Once the manuscript is submitted and thoroughly edited, Ms. Rowling's publishers could issue a finished book in as little as 2 1/2 months. One reason delivery hasn't been faster: The manuscript is very long -- as long as the 734-page volume that preceded it. "Book five is frankly huge," said Ms. Rowling, 37 years old. "I said when I published `Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire' that I needed to take a bit of time out. When I got halfway through, I found a mammoth hole, and I had to go back to the beginning and rewrite. And because we had set July 8th [2000] as the publication date, I needed to get it done. But it half killed me." The timetable for the next Harry Potter is of interest not only to millions of readers but also to a giant business infrastructure dependent on the franchise. Bloomsbury and Scholastic are publicly traded companies, and the fortunes -- and stock prices -- of each have been bouyed by Potter-related revenue. AOL Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Bros. film unit, which is releasing its second Harry Potter movie in November and has the rights to the other two books and options on future titles, also has a stake in the series' continuation. Ms. Rowling's four published titles have sold an estimated 175 million copies world-wide in hard and soft cover, and the books have been published in at least 43 languages. Partly because the first four Potter books were published every summer starting in 1997, there has been speculation that the fifth book is late. But Ms. Rowling said she never set a publication date for the latest book. She also dismissed speculation that she has suffered from writer's block, describing that as so much fantasy. "I needed to step off the one-book-a-year treadmill," she said. "I knew people would say that she's lost it. But that's the price you pay for doing what you need to do -- do good work and maintain quality. I was so tired, not of Harry but of everything that goes with publishing a Harry Potter book. I felt that if I didn't take some time and step back and write in a more leisurely way, I might not be able to produce book five. I felt like a hamster running in a wheel." Ms. Rowling added that she has written some other, non-Harry fiction, but she declined to be more specific. "Writing is a compulsion," she said. "I don't get blocked, and that's the truth of the matter. I might have plot difficulties, but I work them through." The author, who has kept a low profile lately, said she decided to give an interview for several reasons. Earlier this week, she, Scholastic and Warner Bros. received a summary judgment that she hadn't copied any material from -- or infringed on any trademarks of - - children's author Nancy Stouffer. The court imposed $50,000 in sanctions on Ms. Stouffer, as well as a portion of the attorneys' fees and costs Ms. Rowling, Scholastic and Warner Bros. incurred. Ms. Stouffer had alleged the Muggles characters in the Harry Potter series infringed on characters she had created in her book, "The Legend of Rah and the Muggles." Ms. Stouffer used the word Muggles to refer to human beings who survived a nuclear war. In the "Harry Potter" series, Muggles are nonwizard types, or ordinary humans. "People who aren't involved in a court case only see the tip of the iceberg," said Ms. Rowling. "It's a very draining process. Every time I typed the word Muggles I got up and walked away. I knew I was telling the complete truth, but as more and more things came up, I kept thinking some of this would stick." Ms. Rowling added that the court case was a factor in slowing down her work on the fifth book. "It didn't help," she said. Another factor has been the amount of mail she receives, an estimated 1,000 pieces every week from readers in the United Kingdom alone. She once devoted one day a month to answering her correspondence, but now it requires one day a week. She said she feels compelled to answer some letters herself because they have been sent by sick children or other needy readers who require an answer. "You have a moral obligation to do certain things," she said. Some have speculated that Ms. Rowling's publishers are disappointed not to have a new Harry Potter title to tie into the second movie, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets." But Judy Corman, a Scholastic spokeswoman, disputed that. "We have the book that the movie is based on," Ms. Corman said. The company is publishing a mass-market version of it priced at $6.99, with a new cover aimed at older kids and adults. In addition, Scholastic is readying yet another Harry Potter onslaught for the coming holiday season. The company will issue a deluxe, leatherbound edition of "Chamber" priced at $75, a boxed set of the four previously published hardcovers for $85, and a boxed set of the four volumes in paperback priced at $31. "We're covered," she said. Ms. Rowling said that she is satisfied with her current publishers in the U.S. and the U.K. and doesn't contemplate any changes. She added that she still intends to complete a seven-book cycle. Still, Ms. Rowling said the demand for the next book is so great, she sometimes feels guilty, feelings exacerbated when young children come up to her in the street and ask when the next book will be ready. "Mostly I cope by ignoring the pressure," she said. "You'd go slightly strange if you focused on the size of this. I need to live in a certain amount of denial. I need to think this is my private world, and all that matters at the end of the day is I'm happy with what I've written. If I sat down and thought that there are 17 million kids anxiously scanning Amazon, I'd freeze. I couldn't do it." From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 16:49:46 2002 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:49:46 -0000 Subject: Banned Books Week Fic Challenge Message-ID: Banned Book week is upon us! Go here for more info: http://www.ala.org/bbooks/ As you can see from this list http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top100bannedbooks.html the HP books are pretty high up there (and, as you can see, JKR's books are in very good company). While it is a sad commentary on our society that any books, especially books of this calibre and with such important messages, are ever banned, in a way this is also a good indication that these authors have done something right. They have hit a nerve. In honor of Banned Books week, we at Fiction Alley would like to encourage everyone to read as many banned books as possible! (And not just this week--and not just the HP books.) If you are feeling particularly creative after reading a banned book, we invite you to write a fanfiction that is a crossover between the HP books and another book on the ALA list. Fanfic authors do many types of crossovers--it might be an homage (HP characters doing the things the characters in "Of Mice and Men" would do) or a story that mixes characters and settings from the two milieux (James and his giant peach meet Harry Potter, perhaps?). However you decide to do it, these are the guidelines for submitting a Banned Book/crossover work to Fiction Alley in honor of Banned Books Week: 1. You must cross over the HP books with one of the books or series listed here at ALA's site (link above). 2. Your fic cannot be longer than 1000 words. 3. Your fic must meet FictionAlley's submission guidelines in terms of grammar, spelling and canon accuracy, although the usual length requirement for submissions is not applicable here (see above for length). Your fic cannot be posted in this Forum if it's rated higher than PG-13 (12A in the UK) - but if you want to write an R- rated fic, just submit it through the usual process and we'll be happy to put it on FA. Please, DO NOT use intertextual author's notes. 4. Include this template at the top of your posting: Author Name: Fic title: Crossover with: Author Notes: No, the template does not count towards your word count. Note: Please do not submit your fic to FA using the submission form. It won't end up in the right section. Instead, just post it as a new thread here: http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/newthread.php? &action=newthread&forumid=116 All fic postings will be moderated. That means that you can post a fic any time, but none of them will go live until Monday, September 22, as that's the start of Banned Book Week. You can post a fic in the above location through Friday, September 27 (11:59 pm UK time) and as soon as one of our mods has looked it over, it will either be approved or sent back to you for editing. Any questions? Email help at fictionalley.org and we'll do our best to answer your question. On behalf of the Fiction Alley Mods, --Barb From lupinesque at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 17:28:19 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:28:19 -0000 Subject: Congratulations JKR, Happy birthday Hermione Message-ID: I really am thrilled for JKR, who deserves only happiness for everything she has given to the world. Jo, blessings on you and your family. We're not greedy--you may have one day per week to spend with your baby. :P And there was such exciting news on the 18th and 19th, what with court decisions and interviews and all, that poor Hermione's birthday was completely ignored around here. Yes, I do worry about the feelings of fictional characters--you got a problem with that? Happy birthday, Hermione! Amy Z From lupinesque at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 17:36:35 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:36:35 -0000 Subject: Ian McKellen on SNL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Susan, writing on the 6-month-delay plan , wrote: > Goodness, Amy, who did he play in the Scarlet Pimpernel? One of our > favorite movies..... I had to look up McKellen on IMDB to find out the character's name, but I recalled the gist--he's the BAD guy. (Hm, I've never exactly been in favor of chopping people's heads off, but how did the republicans [small r] come to be the bad guys? I should have my democratic [small d] credentials revoked.) Says here his name is Chauvelin. Enjoy your movie! Amy Z From kokobreen at juno.com Fri Sep 20 13:42:02 2002 From: kokobreen at juno.com (kokobreen at juno.com) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:42:02 GMT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Perl Scripting, Anyone? Message-ID: <20020920.094257.17120.18706@webmail4.nyc.untd.com> What do you need done in perl? Christine ---------- "Vicki" writes: From: "Vicki" To: Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Perl Scripting, Anyone? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 04:35:13 -0500 Hey all - I'm looking for someone who can do Perl scripts. Myself and a few other crazy people are working on a new HP website and we've run into a bit of a snag. We don't have anyone with programming talents. This is a fan site, so we can't offer much money (of course, if you'd like to do it for free out of your love of Harry Potter, that's always good!), but you can feel good about helping us to get the most professional site possible on our private funds and will to succeed. Sounds good, right? I hope! :) If you or someone you know might be willing, please email me at morrigan at byz.org. Thanks! Vicki ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From heidit at netbox.com Fri Sep 20 20:15:44 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:15:44 -0400 Subject: The Stouffer case Message-ID: <016e01c260e2$83c89030$0201a8c0@Frodo> The Leaky Cauldron now has a copy of the judge's ruling in the recent Stouffer matter. You can find the html version and the text version on our Yahoogroup. Word to the wise - the text version is quicker to download but a bit harder to read. The rest of this is basically a redo of what I posted on TheLeakyCauldron's site: Speaking as someone who's litigated copyright and trademark matters in the Southern District of New York (but not in front of this judge) the IP side of the analysis is very straightforward and relies heavily on the likelihood of confusion test from the Polaroid case in ruling that "by simply comparing the Harry Potter books to Stouffer's works, and by examining the supposed similarities between the works cited by Stouffer in her briefs ... no reasonable juror could find a likelihood of confusion as to the source of the two parties' works." The sanctions issues are even more interesting - the court held that she submitted altered advertisements, exhibits evidencing a draft agreement with Warner Publisher Services, exhibits regarding "Larry Potter & his Best Friend Lily", a booklet as an "exhibit to support her patently false allegation that 'between April 1986 and September 1987, Ande aggressively promoted . . . The Legend of RAH and the MUGGLES'" - further, the court held that she herself forged invoices regarding sales of her books to Great Northern Distributors. The Court found that Stouffer asserted claims and defenses without any reasonable basis in fact or law and has attempted to support such claims and defenses with items of evidence that have been created or altered for purposes of this litigation. So... Discuss? heidi Will I see you at Nimbus - 2003? Visit http://www.hp2003.org for more information. From jenw118 at HotPOP.com Fri Sep 20 21:08:45 2002 From: jenw118 at HotPOP.com (Jennifer R. Wilson) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:08:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Stouffer case In-Reply-To: <016e01c260e2$83c89030$0201a8c0@Frodo> Message-ID: <000801c260e9$e9072040$74c5fbd8@oemcomputer> How did you come about getting ahold of the Stouffer ruling? I'm quite curious. I'm currently waiting for the huge .html file to load before I really begin commenting. I'm not really familiar with legal terms, so excuse my ignorance, but first did this case conform to U.K. or U.S. law? I'm assuming U.S. for the moment. In comparison, there is no doubt that JKR composed the Potter universe of her own volition. I mean, "muggles" to Stouffer are: "tiny, hairless creatures with elongated heads, narrow limbs, and plump bellies, and who "understand all languages, even those of the animals." In JKR's books, "Muggles" are simply people who are not magical at all. That is a completely different meaning than Stouffer's term discribed above. That right now should tell that there is definitely something fishy about the case. I am not a lawyer, nor very experienced in law at all, so I'm really probably approaching this the wrong way. I do want to state how glad I am that the case is over. What I've read prior to this made me believe that Nancy Stouffer was not meant to be trusted, I mean it just didn't sound like a valid claim from the very beginning. Did any of you fans tend to disbelieve JKR about this? I'm very happy about the ruling. I am glad that JKR can focus on her family now, as well as getting the OoP finished. What does everyone else think? Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 23:02:22 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:02:22 -0000 Subject: The Stouffer case In-Reply-To: <016e01c260e2$83c89030$0201a8c0@Frodo> Message-ID: Okay, I'll pitch in with some discussion. I read through the entire judgment, and though I'm not familiar with a lot of the legal jargon (jargon used in a neutral way - simply describing language used in certain professions), I'm simply stunned by the gall of this woman. How on earth can someone of any reasonable amount of intelligence (not that I'm saying she has a reasonable amount... after reading the judgment, I'm convinced she doesn't) think that she'll be able to prove her case with doctored evidence? Does she think that a big corporation like Scholastic, a millionaire like J.K., and a multimedia giant like Time Warner are going to spare any expense in exposing any kind of misrepresentation on her part? Hello!!! ALL of these people have a LOT of money they can spare to defend themselves. They can all hire people to dig up original copies of material, people who used to work for Stouffer, etc. Stouffer must be mentally deficient. Honestly, I'm still so stunned that I'm having trouble putting it into words. And she's still "disturbed" that she was sanctioned for fabricating her evidence and committing fraud? Hello!? She ADMITTED that she didn't have original documents in ALL of the disputed pieces of evidence! How can she be surprised that the judge looked disfavorably at that?? I'm just amazed. Completely gobsmacked. JenP, who being an intelligent person, wouldn't dream of bringing altered documents into a courtroom - especially if she were up against multi- millionaires with a reputation to protect and money to earn. From jmmears at comcast.net Sat Sep 21 01:38:36 2002 From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:38:36 -0000 Subject: The Stouffer case In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > > I read through the entire judgment, and though I'm not > familiar with a lot of the legal jargon (jargon used in > a neutral way - simply describing language used in > certain professions), I'm simply stunned by the gall of > this woman. How on earth can someone of any reasonable > amount of intelligence (not that I'm saying she has a > reasonable amount... after reading the judgment, I'm > convinced she doesn't) think that she'll be able to > prove her case with doctored evidence? Does she think > that a big corporation like Scholastic, a millionaire > like J.K., and a multimedia giant like Time Warner are > going to spare any expense in exposing any kind of > misrepresentation on her part? Hello!!! ALL of these > people have a LOT of money they can spare to defend > themselves. They can all hire people to dig up > original copies of material, people who used to work > for Stouffer, etc. Stouffer must be mentally > deficient. Hi Jen, I'm certainly not a lawyer either, although I did have to take some business law in grad school. My only real familiarity with this case was an article in the Washington Post outlining the Stouffer allegations and showing several examples of her...er... work. These examples were said to be the foundation of her case, and after reviewing them I was amazed that the case ever made it to court. They were so weak that I can't imagine any attorney would take the case (although I guess that just having thought that, proves my naivete ). My personal opinion is that Stouffer and her legal counsel expected the case to be settled out of court as a nuisance, and never really expected it to come to trial. Wealthy corporations and individuals are often sued by the unscrupulous, who count on being paid just to go away, and because of the time and energy it takes to litigate, they are successful all too often. Obviously Ms Stouffer mis-calculated in this case, and although I feel terrible that JKR was dragged through this (since it obviously upset her greatly), I couldn't be more pleased with the outcome. Jo Serenadust From A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk Sat Sep 21 10:30:28 2002 From: A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk (edisbevan) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:30:28 -0000 Subject: silly question (Clotted Cream) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "alora" wrote: > CLotted cream is FABULOUS. It's heaven on a > scone...or a biscuit, in my case. I have a recipe I make every now > and then and I love it. It's terribly fattening, though. Mmmmm, > clotted cream, lemon curd *SIGH* I should have been born in > England, but only for the sweet stuff! Is your recipe like this Alora? >>>> Set a coffee filter basket, lined with a filter, in a strainer, over a bowl. Take about 2 US cups of ordinary cream. Pour the cream almost to the top of the filter. Refrigerate for 2 hours. The whey will sink to the bottom passing through the filter leaving a ring of clotted cream. Scrape this down with a rubber spatula and repeat every couple of hours until the mass reaches the consistency of soft cream cheese. <<< This is NOT however how this was done in my ex-Mother-in-Laws Cornish farm country. There rich unpasteurised milk was put in a broad flat pan over a VERY low heat wood stove overnight. In the morning there would be an extremely rich and thick cream floating on the milk. First job in the morning would be to pick off any flecks of soot etc from the fire that had come down on the cream. Well this does go back a bit before modern DEFRA and Food Agency regulations. a modern with-heat recipe: >>> take about a pint of milk or better still cream. Pour milk or cream into a shallow pan. If using milk leave undisturbed for 24 hours. Heat the pan, gently, to about 82 ?C (180 ?F) and hold at this temperature for approximately 1 hour. When the surface cream has developed a thick, rich, yellow wrinkled crust, Turn off the heat and allow the pans to cool slowly. Once cold, skim the cream off and serve with scones, fruit or fruit pies. <<< The yellow wrinkled crust is a sign of propper clotted cream. It does not travel well which is why the clotted cream you get in supermarkets is much inferior to the real thing in the West Country. Edis (DEFRA = the UK Muggle Department of Food Environment and Rural Affairs.) From A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk Sat Sep 21 10:40:58 2002 From: A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk (edisbevan) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:40:58 -0000 Subject: silly question In-Reply-To: <3D873489.000003.73827@monica> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: Alora asked: > >>> Here's another I thought about today: steak and kidney pie. >>> Sounds awful, but does it taste good? What is in it? > Alora Katryn said: > Exactly what it sounds like steak and kidneys chopped up in gravy, > surrounded by pastry like with most pies. Better is steak and > kidney pudding which is made with suet pastry but that usually has > to be steamed rtather than just bunged in the oven. For those who really want to know - here is a pretty classic recipe: www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/db/3/S/steakandkidneypuddin_4410.shtml Ingredients: Ingredients 675g/1?lb chuck steak, cut into 2.5cm/1in cubes 225g/8oz ox kidney, cut into 2.5cm1in cubes 1 small onion, peeled and finely chopped large pinch celery salt salt and freshly ground black pepper 1tsp fresh thyme leaves 2tbsp plain flour 150ml/?pt fresh beef stock For the Suet pastry: 400g/14oz self?raising flour 200g/7oz beef or vegetarian suet ?tsp salt freshly ground black pepper 300ml/?pt cold water Method as in the webpage. Basically line bowl with pastry, bung in ingredients, put on a pastry lid, steam for 5 hours. Edis From ruhgozler at yahoo.com Sat Sep 21 12:46:26 2002 From: ruhgozler at yahoo.com (Linda Williams) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 05:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: silly question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020921124626.99295.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> **bung in ingredients,** > Edis > What is bunging? Linda ===== "The Fiction-Pusher" just ask my addicted friends. http://www.fictionalley.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Ali at zymurgy.org Sat Sep 21 13:36:01 2002 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (alhewison) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:36:01 -0000 Subject: silly question In-Reply-To: <20020921124626.99295.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Linda Williams wrote: > **bung in ingredients,** > > Edis > > > What is bunging? "Bunging" isn't used, but the phrase to "bung in" is just slang meaning "throw it all in". It's frequently used. If you look at Steak & Kidney Pudding, Black Pudding etc, it's not a surprise that so many of us Brits are veggie is it? Ali From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 21 13:46:18 2002 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:46:18 -0000 Subject: silly question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "alhewison" wrote: > If you look at Steak & Kidney Pudding, Black Pudding etc, Doesn't the US also have Black Pudding? Only called Blood Pudding instead? Or am I confusing this with another country? > it's not > a surprise that so many of us Brits are veggie is it? > > Ali Of course, the recent British record of BSE in beef, salmonella in chickens and radioactive lamb from the Chernobyl reactor blowing up and sending radioactive dust over Cumbria and Wales, all have *nothing* to do with our increasingly veggie population. [grin] What is going to happen when they release GM genes into the general plant population I don't know. They should be conducting tests in sealed greenhouses - but are they? Naah. It's all perfectly safe, don't ya know that? Pip!Squeak (who is NOT the same person as Pippin. ) From dicentra at xmission.com Sat Sep 21 17:52:11 2002 From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:52:11 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling Message-ID: Dear Ms. Rowling: We've been hearing rumors lately that Internet groups such as ours have been a cause of consternation for you. It is said that our endless theorizing, analyzing, and frenetic nit-picking have ferreted out mysteries in Books 1?4 that you, er, didn't exactly know about. That we've tugged on threads you didn't know were loose. That we're waiting for answers to questions you didn't know you'd posed. To the extent that our activities have caused you undue worry, we are genuinely sorry. The very thought that we might be responsible for adding to your workload or that we've affected ::shudder:: the release date of Order of the Phoenix sends us scurrying to our respective ovens to slam our ears and fingers in the doors. We cannot bear the thought that we might be interfering with your creative processes or your peace of mind. You see, we don't just dig what you've written--we dig YOU. We love it that it matters to you whether the pieces fit together. We love it that you said "to blazes with deadlines--I'm going to do it right no matter how long it takes." We even find it kind of touching that you worried that some of us might think you stole your ideas from Ms. Stouffer. As if. We can assert quite strongly that none of us ever had a moment's doubt that your work was yours alone. (Frankly, we're astounded that there ever *was* a question.) Happily enough, the case is closed, justice was done, and you can go on with the work at hand. Speaking of which, we're delighted to hear that it's coming along nicely and that you're pleased with it. As antsy as we are to get our hands on it, we don't want to read a word of it until you feel it's ready. We trust you to know what you're doing. And that's why we at Harry Potter for Grownups (HPfGU) have spent the past 2 years or so theorizing, analyzing, and frenetically nit- picking the HP series. You *do* know what you're doing, and discovering your doings requires the deep digging and teasing out in which we so obsessively engage. Yeah, we've found some inconsistencies here and there, but there are inconsistencies in Don Quixote and Shakespeare, too. That doesn't stop them from being master works of literature, nor do "mistakes" besmirch the quality of HP. As it turns out, we've found much more than the occasional glitch. Heavens, yes. We've found layers upon layers of meaning, from the rollicking good ride of the first reading, to the eerie foreshadowings of the second, to the complex characters of the third, to the intertwining thematic and genre issues of the fourth, fifth, sixth, and nth readings. Were it not for HPfGU, most of us would have never noticed that Ron sometimes inadvertently predicts the future or that Harry is more powerful without a wand than with one or that Snape's nastiness masks a man of genuine integrity. We wouldn't have understood that the HP series belongs to dozens of genres yet defies each one. We wouldn't have known to look to alchemy for meaning in the whole series and not just in Philosopher's Stone. We wouldn't have realized how important Neville is thematically, how Sirius's "prank" on Severus evokes such strong and varied emotions in readers, or even that Dumbledore means "bumblebee." Each of us notices different things, we share with the group, and those observations spark further ideas. We realize that we are making much ado about nothing with some subjects, but that's OK. We're having so much fun wondering and being filled with wonder that we can hardly stand it. Dishes pile up in our sinks. Clothes go unwashed. Weeds fill our gardens. Dust collects on the TV remote. All the while we gleefully speculate about who was snogging Florence behind the greenhouses and whether Avery is the mysterious Fourth Man convicted of torturing the Longbottoms and why Snape defected from the Dark Side and where Sirius's motorcycle is now and how Voldemort got his wand back and whether Remus has a brother named Romulus and if Hermione will end up with Ron or Harry or Krum or even Malfoy. We just can't stop. And that's why it makes us sad that while we're having a glorious time reading and writing and sleeping and drinking and eating and living HP online, we also might be giving you cause to feel insecure about your skill as a writer. All we can say is: please don't. Don't worry about how you're doing on *our* account. As far as we know, you've never lost a reader over a little inconsistency or an ounce of respect among your fans. We won't stop loving your work over things that ultimately don't matter. Happy writing and congratulations on the little one, Dicentra spectabilis, hoping to speak for the staff and list-members of Harry Potter for Grownups From lupinesque at yahoo.com Sat Sep 21 19:02:04 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:02:04 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Beautiful letter, Dicentra, and you really should send it to JKR. She has just said that she considers it a moral duty to respond to letters from sick kids, so *someone* must read all of her mail and hand her the must-reads . . . maybe they'll pass this one along. Thanks for speaking so well for the rest of us. Amy From boggles at earthlink.net Sat Sep 21 21:16:17 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:16:17 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Eating the whole cow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:44 AM +0000 9/20/02, Trina wrote: >I was at Publix this evening on a grocery run and in the meat >department I *actually* saw tripe in the meat case. I stopped up >short thinking,"What the hell is that?" And, I must say, it did NOT >look appetizing! *chuckle* It's in all the grocery stores here, but it's generally labelled "menudo" rather than "tripe". I guess what is in Britain "eating the whole cow" is just "ethnic food," here. Rather fond of braised oxtails, herself, -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From boggles at earthlink.net Sat Sep 21 21:38:31 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:38:31 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] scones, shortcake and biscuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:29 PM +0000 9/19/02, eloise_herisson wrote: > >A scone, to us, (at least, the kind you eat with clotted cream) is a >kind of cake, sort of related to soda bread. You can taste the soda >in them, or at least they give you that funny feeling on your teeth >you get from eating soda bread. Hmm . . . actually, having been raised on Southern US biscuits, it's _yeast_ bread that makes my teeth feel funny. >Although some recipes call for eggs, >normally they contain just flour, butter, milk and baking powder >(that's a mixture of cream of tartar and bicarbonate of soda, in >case you call it something different)- oh and a pinch of salt. You >can add dried fruit, or alternatively, cheese, so they can be sweet >or savoury. Usually you roll out the dough and cut it into individual >rounds, but mine tend to go flat, so I do what my mother always did >and make one big round which I divide into six segments before >cooking. They're one of those things which benefit from minimal >handling >Ideally you eat them very soon after cooking as they go stale very >quickly. Okay. Those are exactly what US biscuits are, down to optional fruit (very Yankee, by which I mean Northerner) or cheese (more Southern, although still offensive to purists). And yes, it's baking powder to us, although we'd call that particular mixture "single-acting" baking powder - what we normally use adds another ingredient which releases CO2 when heated, and is the "double-acting" version. We also make a buttermilk version which uses only baking soda, rather than baking powder. >But I don't understand your use of shortcake! >To me, shortcake is a synonym for shortbread, that *very* rich, >buttery biscuit (British usage) particularly associated with Scotland. >I know you mean something different, but I've never fathomed what. Yes, for us shortbread and shortcake are two different things. Shortbread is the flour-butter-sugar cookie, with no leaven. A shortcake is a sweet biscuit (our usage) with a little more than the usual amount of butter, for richness. They're often either done in the round, as you describe above, or as individual drop biscuits (which we call "catheads," after the round-but lumpy shape and approximate size), as the dough is sticky and hard to roll out. >And what do you mean by 'biscuit', anyway? Or did someone already >explain? "Scone," apparently! :) -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From dicentra at xmission.com Sat Sep 21 21:50:03 2002 From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:50:03 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Beautiful letter, Dicentra, and you really should send it to JKR. Thanks, Amy. I think we, and I mean *we*, should send her something. I don't know if HPfGU itself has caused her distress, but folks like us probably have. Perhaps we could post it on TLC (or at least a link to it), since we know she goes there from time to time. --Dicentra From ruhgozler at yahoo.com Sat Sep 21 22:03:50 2002 From: ruhgozler at yahoo.com (Linda Williams) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Eating the whole cow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020921220350.49661.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> So what is the UK equivalent of chitlins? Linda --- Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote: > *chuckle* It's in all the grocery stores here, but > it's generally > labelled "menudo" rather than "tripe". I guess what > is in Britain > "eating the whole cow" is just "ethnic food," here. > > Rather fond of braised oxtails, herself, > > -- > - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon ===== "The Fiction-Pusher" just ask my addicted friends. http://www.fictionalley.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From vertigo900 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 21 19:47:07 2002 From: vertigo900 at hotmail.com (vertigos900) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:47:07 -0000 Subject: Stouffer case Message-ID: Hello everyone, In 1997 I actually met Nancy Stouffer through a friend. At that time she actually showed me some of the books mentioned in the case. I don't know when the potter books were published but Although I didn't sit down and read through all her books, I can testify those books were authored at least at the time I met her. Therefore, I am quite suprised to hear about the doctoring of evidence. But I don't own a Harry Potter book and am not sure when they were written. Nor do I have one of her books to compare the two. I just caught wind of this story when I recognized her name in a news article and thought I'd share my info. But I have friends who have worked in law and have heard several horror stories of past firms they worked for (who represent large enterprises) doctoring evidence. So I guess it people do it on both ends sometimes. The larger firms have the money to hide it better. Have a nice weekend! From boggles at earthlink.net Sat Sep 21 23:39:44 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:39:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Stouffer case In-Reply-To: <016e01c260e2$83c89030$0201a8c0@Frodo> References: <016e01c260e2$83c89030$0201a8c0@Frodo> Message-ID: At 4:15 PM -0400 9/20/02, heiditandy wrote: > >So... Discuss? Geez. How many times did her story change over the course of the suit? And, by the descriptions of her "Muggles," it seems like she'd have had a better chance at arguing that JKR had stolen the idea of the _House-elves_ from her, rather than Harry and the Potterverse Muggles . . . I do kind of wonder what the other employees of Ande and BCI think of her now. (I am also amused at the name of the second company, as down here BCI is a garbage-disposal firm.) -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From catlady at wicca.net Sun Sep 22 04:20:14 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 04:20:14 -0000 Subject: Eating the whole ///cow/// hog In-Reply-To: <20020921220350.49661.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Linda Williams wrote: > So what is the UK equivalent of chitlins? Spelled 'chitterlings', doubtless pronounced 'chitlins', and defined as 'the inside parts of a pig' by the inn-keeper's daughter in a Georgette Heyer Regency romance, IIRC THE WICKED UNCLE. From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 08:47:50 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Letter to JKR/Apologies to Pip!Squeak Message-ID: <20020922084750.75281.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, Dicentra, along with Amy Z, I thank you for your letter that expresses so well what we (hopefully) collectively feel about the issues you brought up. And I like Amy's suggestion to see if TLC will put it on their site. Does JKR *REALLY* visit TLC from time to time? OOOhhh, that is SO COOL ! I love this part of your letter... "Each of us notices different things, we share with the group, and those observations spark further ideas. We realize that we are making much ado about nothing with some subjects, but that's OK. We're having so much fun wondering and being filled with wonder that we can hardly stand it. Dishes pile up in our sinks. Clothes go unwashed. Weeds fill our gardens. Dust collects on the TV remote." Too true! My house has never been messier since I joined HPFGU a few months ago. You hit it spot on! But, I've watched less TV and read a ton more. I think JKR would feel great knowing she's contributed to the dustiness of TV remotes. Oh...and Pip!Squeak...I think I'm the one who called you Pippin, and I apologize for that. I had deleted the digest but remembered afterwards some comments I wanted to make, so I tried to do it from memory. Again, I'm sorry for my late-night, insomnia-driven confusion. Lilac (who wishes she was as eloquent as Dicentra) ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Sun Sep 22 15:52:38 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:52:38 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open Letter to Jo Rowling References: Message-ID: <003201c26250$14765400$1f7e63d1@texas.net> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > Beautiful letter, Dicentra, and you really should send it to JKR. > > Thanks, Amy. I think we, and I mean *we*, should send her > something. I don't know if HPfGU itself has caused her distress, but > folks like us probably have. Perhaps we could post it on TLC (or at > least a link to it), since we know she goes there from time to time. > > --Dicentra Hasn't Penny, under the aegis of the group, send a list of Mysteries to some online chat or other, as various question submissions? We probably *are* some of the people who caused distress. --Amanda From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 18:16:56 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (dizzylizzy182) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:16:56 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling In-Reply-To: <003201c26250$14765400$1f7e63d1@texas.net> Message-ID: > Hasn't Penny, under the aegis of the group, send a list of Mysteries to some > online chat or other, as various question submissions? We probably *are* > some of the people who caused distress. > > --Amanda Heh. I keep a list of questions (GOOD questions) to ask J.K. Rowling in a chat should the ocassion pop up. Not the "when is the next book coming" stuff, either. Good, practical stuff that people always forget to ask and then it bugs the heck out of us. Liz From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 18:26:18 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (dizzylizzy182) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:26:18 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Excellent letter, Dicentra! I do have a huge amount of respect for J.K. Rowling, and sometimes wish people would learn some patience. Genius cannot be rushed, after all. :D I think it should definitely be sent to her, or posted at TLC. I think she needs to see it. Liz (Who should probably send Penny and Katie packing their bags out of her head and back to J.K. Rowling's!) From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 22 18:40:53 2002 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:40:53 -0000 Subject: Hoagy Carmicahel on Muggles (was: The Stouffer case) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reviewing the court decision, I saw that Louis Armstrong wrote a song in 1928 called Muggles. I tried to Google the lyrics to assess them for their filkability, but I found that Muggles is an instrumental piece. However, I did find this passage from Tin Pan Alley Master Hoagy Carmichael on one definition of Muggles I do not recall seeing before: Here's what Hoagy Carmichael, later the writer of "Stardust" (and the other piano player in a Bogart film) wrote about experiencing King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band as a college student visiting Chicago in 1923 with the young white cornetist Beiderbecke: "Louis' wife, Lil, was playing piano and she could, too. There was a bass fiddle and clarinet, a regular jazz combo. As I sat down, I lit my first muggle [marijuana cigarette] as Louis and King Oliver broke into the introductory part of Bugle Call Rag. Everything was chaos at our table. We smoked and gulped our terrible drinks. Bix was on his feet, his eyes popping out of his head....The joint stank of body musk, bootleg booze, excited people, platform sweat. I couldn't see well but I was feeling all over, 'Why isn't everyone in the world here to hear this?' The muggles took effect, making my body feel as light as my Ma's biscuits. I ran over to the piano and played Royal Garden Blues with the band...I had never heard the tune before, but full of smoke, I somehow couldn't miss a note of it. The muggles had carried me into another world. I was floating high around the room in a whirlpool of jazz" = Carmichael, Sometimes I Wonder, p 101 - CMC From john at queerasjohn.com Mon Sep 23 02:07:18 2002 From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 03:07:18 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Eating the whole ///cow/// hog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) said: >> So what is the UK equivalent of chitlins? > > Spelled 'chitterlings', doubtless pronounced 'chitlins', and defined > as 'the inside parts of a pig' by the inn-keeper's daughter in a > Georgette Heyer Regency romance, IIRC THE WICKED UNCLE. The nearest thing that I've encountered are Pork Scratchings/Crackling, which is deep fried pig skin. Sounds terribly appetising, non? --John ______________________________________ Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com www.queerasjohn.com AIM & YM @ QueerAsJohn "There's nowt as queer as folk." --English proverb ______________________________________ From suicidal_mickey_mouse at hotmail.com Mon Sep 23 03:23:45 2002 From: suicidal_mickey_mouse at hotmail.com (phantmoftheopera) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 03:23:45 -0000 Subject: Newbie here! Message-ID: Hi there! Newbie here. I'm 24 from TN, and fell in love with the HP books immediately. I'm an ex-English major, and us English Major sorts love deep and thought-filled discussion. I haven't gotten much into Harry Potter fic though, for the most part because it IS so daunting. However, I am an avid X-Files fanfiction reader/writer and I do want to start exploring some of it. I'm pseudo-strictly Noromo. In the xphileverse, that meant no ships whatsoever b/c we get sea-sick. I don't mind sap here and there, but I don't like it taking over the story, and I HATE it when it's out of character. I say pseudo-strictly Noromo because I enjoy anything if written well. Fell in love with the Potterverse a few years ago when I first read the books, and am proud to say I got my roommate, mom, and sister addicted to it! In my roommate's case, I made her watch the movie one day, and the next day, she turned around and got the novels and the next paycheck, she got the DVD *G*. So is there a particular site that's a must-see in the Potterverse? I don't have a HP site up at all, but I'm putting up a site when I get time called Dreamland, which is going to be an all-inclusive fandom site as a haven for Original Characters. I haven't started writing HP fic. Yet. I'm sort of toying with the idea of ye olde olde Hogwarts...starting with Dumbledore and all the professors...it would be interesting to look into some of the baddies' pasts. And maybe even Dumbledor's. What turned me onto it was I loved stuff like C.S. Lewis and Tolkein and Madeline L'Engle growing up. I wouldn't consider Ms. Rawling in their ranks, but close. Very close. Anyhoo...if you'd like to reach me via IM, my AOL IM nick is Pooh012179. My MSN addy is suicidal_mickey_mouse at h... (I PROMISE I'm not suicidal...it's from my favorite line in a musical!). Will talk to random people to save myself from boredom. Mebbe I'm crazy, but aren't we all a little? ~Spookykat From catlady at wicca.net Mon Sep 23 04:12:07 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 04:12:07 -0000 Subject: Some Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade Businesses (NON-CANONICAL) Message-ID: COMFORT & JOY Makers of Fine Potions, Powders, and Unguents for Beauty and Health founded in the 1880s by Mrs Erasmus Comfort and Mrs John Joy, formerly the Misses Alexandra and Wilhelmina Brewer. They started the business in their kitchens, making a hair potion from a recipe that had been handed down from mother to daughter in their family for generations; gradually they added to their product line while increasing their sales, and had to expand into a shop, and then into a factory. For some reason, I envision their Hogsmeade shop as an *orgy* of cheap faux Victoriana, like Muggles like me love even tho' it's so vulgar, but the wizarding folk have so much *real* Victorian (probably including their Diagon Alley shop and their factory) that they probably don't indulge in faux Victoriana. NEWCOMBE & BALMER, ATTORNEYS A famous firm of 'attack lawyers': Willa Newcombe nee Weasley is the Gryffindor and Madeleine Balmer nee Moon is the Ravenclaw, and another witch, Robin Steele, a Slytherin, is their investigator. MOON & STARR Kenneth Moon and Keith Starr, goldsmith/jewelers Pansy shops here. HYATT PRICE-RING, GOLDSMITH another jeweler Lucius Malfoy shops here. From catlady at wicca.net Mon Sep 23 04:23:04 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 04:23:04 -0000 Subject: Any Lucius theories? Message-ID: I'm replying off-list because I'm pretty sure the Mods would take points from my House for me being too fan-ficcy on list: --- In HPforGrownups at y..., xEmeraldxSnakex at a... wrote: > So what do you guys think about him? Personality? His occupation? > Past? Is he having an affair with Snape? Ooh, I love speculating about Lucius! Occupation: managing his very large inherited fortune. As for how his ancestors started accumulating this fortune, starting around 800 BCE, see my http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/44028 Managing his money leaves him plenty of time for his hobbies, such as playing politics, aiming to be power behind the throne. Pesonality: I think he's probably the most purely evil person in canon. I think he may love Narcissa and might have an emotional conflict about sacrificing her (that means KILLING her by BETRAYAL) to achieve some goal, but dunno whether he loves Draco at all. Surely not enough that he wouldn't sacrifice Draco for a valuable goal. He's proud of his bloodline, intelligence, good looks, and elegance, but proudest of all of his success at manipulating people for his own benefit. With the possible exception of Narcissa, the most important thing to him is increasing his power. (Okay, saving his own skin comes before increasing his power, and even before Narcissa.) Then the glory of the Malfoy family name, and his own reputation. Then a few sophisticated hedonistic pleasures. I think he learned this twisted and heartless set of values from Tom Marvolo Riddle, whom I think was his godfather. I figure Lucius was born around 1950, making him 8 to 11 years older than the MWPP-Snape generation but younger than the Arthur and Molly generation, and Riddle left school in 1945 according to Lexicon, in 1946 according to another calculation. In the Graveyard circle in GoF, Voldemort purrs at Lucius, the Teacher's Pet, while snarling at all his other followers. At first, I thought that Voldemort still had the emotions of Tom Riddle who was raised in a working-class orphanage, and Voldie was just SO proud of himself for having a toff among his associates, but then I decided it was more personal, a sort of paternal affection, therefore godfather. If there were a Malfoy at Hogwarts with Tom, that would be the most 'useful' friend he could make -- entry to Malfoy Manor, with its large financial and magical resources for his research, and the Malfoys to give him alibis for little things like AK'ing those Muggles (the ones named Riddle) ... I believe that Riddle spent years living in Malfoy Manor, doing research there, and being a bad influence on little Lucius, until he reached the point in his research where he had to travel to far distant places. To me, the timing is not right for Riddle and Lucius to have been lovers (besides I think they are both more heterosexual than otherwise). I think that Tom Riddle *became* Voldemort when his experiments in immortality succeeded AND turned him into a snake-man AND incidentally left him with neither sex organs nor sexual desire. I figure he reached that success in 1968 or 1969 and immediately began recruiting Death Eaters to start his Reign of Terror (which started in 1969). Therefore, he went off to foreign lands as Lucius got old enough, and lost all sexuality when Lucius reached adulthood. I think Lucius became the head of the family so very young by murdering his father and older brother ... no doubt with TMR's assistance ... Voldemort thinks he is using Lucius, and Lucius thinks he is using Voldemort ... TMR is all in favor of parricide, like the Barty Junior thing ... It is possible that his Malfoy friend from school was Lucius's father, but also possible that TMR betrayed his schoolfriend to help another Malfoy (who became Lucius's father) whom he thought would be more useful ... What else? Oh, Snape. In my fic, young Severus left school and went to London for advanced study of Potions. He was 19, young and awkward, and fell in something like love or hero worship with Lucius, who was everything Severus kicked himself for not being: handsome, blonde, rich, elegant, popular... (as well as having the traits Severus admired in himself: intelligence and magical talent). Lucius discovered that this unwashed puppy was a very talented Potions scholar who would be useful to the Dark Lord, and recruited him by seducing him: holding his hand a *little* too long when shaking hands, and looking into his eyes a *little* too deeply when saying good-night is all it took ... In the years since Severus fled to Hogwarts, a handshake and friendly little chat once or twice a year is all it takes to keep it going ... Severus never really got over it, and managed to persuade himself that Lucius had been telling the truth about having been innocent, been under Imperius, and that's why he was so shocked to hear Harry say that Lucius was at the graveyard circle... From A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk Mon Sep 23 09:24:44 2002 From: A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk (edisbevan) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:24:44 -0000 Subject: Some Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade Businesses (NON-CANONICAL) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Turning to government organisations, the 'Department of Health and Social Security' in Britain is sometimes known as the 'Department of Stealth and Total Obscurity'. An Obvious MOM department, what a pity the phrase is already in the litery domain (from 'Yes, Minister!' )and can't be annexed by Jo into the Canon. Edis From meckelburg at foni.net Mon Sep 23 10:26:33 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (Mecki) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:26:33 -0000 Subject: I feel so sad today:(((((( Message-ID: Hi! I don't know if it is right to post this here, but I feel so sad, so frustrated, so angry and sooo lonely. Nobody went to the graveyard... Nobody called... Nobody even mentioned her name... It is as if she died again. Or worse: as if she had never existed!! Yesterday morning, exactly nine years ago, our oldest daughter, our baby ,died. W I E B K E Born 21.Sept.1993 Died 22.Sept.1993 Wiebke and her twin-sister Maike where born after only 26 weeks of pregnancy. Maike fought over 7 months and finally made it, but Wiebke was too ill to fight, even if she was the "bigger and heavier" of the two. She died after 10 hours and 13 minutes, leaving my life in pieces Every single day in the last nine years I missed her so much! Don't get me wrong. The time I spent sobbing on my bed all day is long over. But every night before I fall asleep, my heart opens towards the sky, the tears start running and I can hear myself think "Hello darling, here is mummy..." My friends (and more frustrating, my relatives too) don't even let me mention her. "Well meant"(?!?) advice from so called friends is "forget about it" (as if a dead child is some kind of accident or disease you can recover from) or "why aren't you just happy about the two kids you have". Hey , I am. I love Wiebkes twin-sister Maike and their little brother Marten more than anything in the world. But I have THREE children. And just because one can't be with me, doesn't mean I don't feel as close to her as to the others With a lot of hard work, I managed to "separate" the twins. We had a big birthday- party for Maike on Saturday, and it was really fun. I can show Maike how happy I am to have her, without always thinking "there should be TWO girls blowing the candles of their birthday- cake, TWO girls fighting over their presents etc.(These thoughts came at night, the birthday-girl asleep after a happy day, when in my "evening-talk" I wished my baby a "happy birthday in heaven"). I can look at my daughter without always thinking. "How would Wiebke be". They where identical twins, so I sort of "know" how she would look like, but twins are mostly very individual characters, so I don't really know her after all. Saturday was a "happy" day, because of Maike, who survived. But yesterday was Wiebkes "death - day", the day I thought at least the people belonging to or close to my family could think of the "missing" grandchild, niece or "friends oldest daughter". I believe a person is only truly dead when he's forgotten, and that they're really sort of "letting her die" a second time- through sheer ignorance or mindlessness. Again, I'm not sure if it is right to post this here. All this is not your fault, most of you probably didn't even know. But I had the feeling that I had to. . It feels so good to talk to somebody about Wiebke and what she means to me. Letting as many people as possible know about her, makes her "live" in the hearts or thoughts, and it comforts me. All this is choking me today. I know from the past years, that everything will probably be back to "normal" (whatever that is) in a few days, but the "anniversary-days" are always hard to cope with. My favourite poems: If we could have a lifetime wish A dream that would come true, We'd pray to God with all our hearts For yesterday and you. A thousand words can't bring you back We know because we've tried... Neither will a thousand tears We know because we've cried... You left behind our broken hearts And happy memories too... But we never wanted memories We only wanted you. (unknown) and "Childrens?s Footprints Some children come into our lives and go quickly. Some children come into our lives and stay awhile . All our children come into our lives and leave footprints - Some oh so small; some a little larger; some larger still But all have left their footprints on our lives; in our hearts, and we will never, never be the same. (Doreen Sexton) Light a candle in your window for my little daughter tonight, please. And when you look up into the sky, remember: Every star you see, is a baby looking down on its mother. Thanks for listening Sabine (Mecki) with Maike and Marten firmly by the hand, and Wiebke deep inside her heart ?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?* mothers hold their children's hands awhile, and their hearts forever... ?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?* From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Sep 23 14:39:45 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:39:45 -0000 Subject: Small earthquake hits Dudley - nobody hurt Message-ID: Seriously, the West Midlands town of Dudley was the epicentre of a 4.8 Richter earthquake at 1am BST today news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2275158.stm David From lupinesque at yahoo.com Mon Sep 23 15:13:56 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:13:56 -0000 Subject: Small earthquake hits Dudley - nobody hurt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh my. I laughed 'til I cried. recovering and glad no one was hurt, not even Dudley Amy From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com Mon Sep 23 15:56:41 2002 From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: English is deadly! Message-ID: <20020923155641.26585.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Okay, to go along with our food discussions... The Japanese eat less fat and have fewer heart attacks than the British and the Americans. The French eat more fat and have fewer heart attacks than the British and the Americans. The Italians drink more red wine and have fewer heart attacks than the British and the Americans. So, the moral here is...eat what you like. Apparently, it's speaking English that kills you. Heh, heh! Funny little joke from this month's Reader's Digest (typed from memory). And WE thought it was the clotted cream or the fast food... ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Tut, tut --- hardly any of you remembered that my favorite color is *lilac*. I say so in Year with the Yeti." --Gilderoy Lockhart, COS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From john at queerasjohn.com Mon Sep 23 16:22:22 2002 From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:22:22 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Small earthquake hits Dudley - nobody hurt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amy Z said: > and glad no one was hurt, not even Dudley In all honesty, and despite having an auntie who lives near Dudley, an earthquake couldn't have happened to a more deserving place. Except possibly for Dundee. Sounds like... --J ______________________________________ Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com www.queerasjohn.com AIM & YM @ QueerAsJohn "There's nowt as queer as folk." --English proverb ______________________________________ From speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 23 17:15:13 2002 From: speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com (frankielee242) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:15:13 -0000 Subject: English is deadly! In-Reply-To: <20020923155641.26585.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lilac wrote: > The Japanese eat less fat and have fewer heart attacks than the British and the Americans. How to solve our dietary dilema... We are in desparate need of more lyrical, appetizing and less icky names for our food. Tripe? Chitlins? PIGS' FEET? *shudders* We need names for our foods that roll off the tongue like italian, names that conjure up spices drying in India, names that don't sound like lousy conversation, flying insects or... porcine hooves. Has anyone seen the play "You Can't Take It With You"? There's a very funny scene when a Wall Street baron has decended on the bohemian Sycamore family for a dinner party. When the cook sends her boyfriend out for ingredients, he returns with canned salmon and is ever so proud to have also procured "pickled pigs' feet!" Personally, I will GLADLY continue eating fermented soybean paste and squid and tofu and octopus and sea cucumber and small chunks of raw fish wrapped in seaweed, because they have elegant names like "miso" and "sushi". Lurking!Frankie, crawling out from underneath her drawing table, grabbing car keys and heading all the way downtown for lunch. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 23 20:14:49 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:14:49 -0000 Subject: Small earthquake hits Dudley - nobody hurt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was quite surprised to not hear any of the (I thought) requisite jokes about Dudley falling out of bed this morning or something... JenP... --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Queer as John wrote: > Amy Z said: > > > and glad no one was hurt, not even Dudley > > In all honesty, and despite having an auntie who lives near Dudley, an > earthquake couldn't have happened to a more deserving place. Except possibly > for Dundee. Sounds like... > > --J > > ______________________________________ > > Queer as John || john at q... > www.queerasjohn.com > > AIM & YM @ QueerAsJohn > > "There's nowt as queer as folk." > --English proverb > ______________________________________ From rvotaw at i-55.com Tue Sep 24 12:55:21 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:55:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I need a little help here! Message-ID: <3966223.1032872121767.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> All right, all you creative people. Get ready. Several other teachers and I are dressing up as book characters for Halloween. I am (naturally) going to be Hermione Granger. I'm going into Pre-K through 2nd grade classrooms, and so I can't exactly read from Harry Potter. I won't have much time either (maybe 5 minutes). So I need to make something up that will tell the gist of it, who my character is, what she does, where she comes from, all in very simple terms. I can do a pretty good Hermione imitation, so I've also got to brush up on that. I'm thinking of starting with "I'm Hermione Granger. And you are?" But after that, I don't know. Help?!?! Thanks for any input! Richelle From rvotaw at i-55.com Tue Sep 24 15:34:36 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw1) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:34:36 -0000 Subject: I need a little help here!/ call for filk! In-Reply-To: <3966223.1032872121767.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> Message-ID: Okay, I wrote this earlier: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rvotaw at i... wrote: > All right, all you creative people. Get ready. Several other teachers and I are dressing up as book characters for Halloween. I am (naturally) going to be Hermione Granger. I'm going into Pre-K through 2nd grade classrooms, and so I can't exactly read from Harry Potter. I won't have much time either (maybe 5 minutes). So I need to make something up that will tell the gist of it, who my character is, what she does, where she comes from, all in very simple terms. I > can do a pretty good Hermione imitation, so I've also got to brush up on that. I'm thinking of starting with "I'm Hermione Granger. And you are?" But after that, I don't know. Help?!?! And then I opened my big mouth again. Now I need a really simple filk. Nursery rhyme tune or something similar. About Hermione Granger. Something simple enough for me to sing to 4 year olds! Yes, it's a great idea, but I need HELP!!! Any filks out there like this? Anyone willing to be creative and come up with one? Help, help, help, before I get myself in more trouble!!! :) Thanks so much! Richelle From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 24 16:00:37 2002 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:00:37 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dicentra wrote: > We've been hearing rumors lately that Internet groups such as ours > have been a cause of consternation for you. Now me: This is the first I've heard of this - where did you hear about it? I remember an article in which JKR said she anticipated that HP would be for obsessives and didn't expect the series to be as universally popular as it is, so I'm surprised she would be disconcerted by our obsessive analysis! Dicentra again: > Were it not for HPfGU, most of us would have never noticed that Ron > sometimes inadvertently predicts the future or that Harry is more > powerful without a wand than with one or that Snape's nastiness > masks a man of genuine integrity. Me again: I thought your letter was eloquent and wonderful, but the above statement got me wondering whether I'm the only HPfGU-er who *doesn't* think Harry is more powerful without a wand (at least not as of Book 4) and who suspects Snape of being ever-so-evil? Dicentra again: > We're having so much fun wondering and being filled with wonder > that we can hardly stand it. Dishes pile up in our sinks. Clothes > go unwashed. Weeds fill our gardens. Dust collects on the TV > remote. Me again: How true! How true! ~Phyllis From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Tue Sep 24 18:03:10 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:03:10 -0000 Subject: I need a little help here! In-Reply-To: <3966223.1032872121767.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rvotaw at i... wrote: > All right, all you creative people. Get ready. Several other teachers and I > are dressing up as book characters for Halloween. I am (naturally) going to be > Hermione Granger. I'm going into Pre-K through 2nd grade classrooms, and so I > can't exactly read from Harry Potter. I won't have much time either (maybe 5 > minutes). So I need to make something up that will tell the gist of it, who my > character is, what she does, where she comes from, all in very simple terms. I > can do a pretty good Hermione imitation, so I've also got to brush up on that. > I'm thinking of starting with "I'm Hermione Granger. And you are?" But after > that, I don't know. Help?!?! > > Thanks for any input! > > Richelle Oh, cool, Richelle! I hate to veer to far off topic, because I am useless in the filk department. BUT.....what are you going to wear? ;-) You know women, we want to know these details. I can't wait to hear how it goes with the kids. I'm sure most of them are aware of HP, at least through the movie. Good luck! Alora From foxmoth at qnet.com Tue Sep 24 18:38:48 2002 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:38:48 -0000 Subject: I feel so sad today:(((((( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh Mecki, I am so sorry you are feeling bad. Many years ago I lost my beautiful Jesse. He was born in 1983, too early like your Wiebke, and lived only a few days. Even though he would be almost grown up now, I still feel sad when I think about him. For a long time I remembered him every night. My friends and relatives meant well, too. They thought they had to be strong and not show their grief, so I was left to think I was suffering alone. I hope there is someone near you that you can share your feelings with. Do you know about Compassionate Friends? It is an organization that helps grieving parents. This is the website for their affiliate in Germany. http://www.veid.de/ and a site for neonatal loss http://www.engelskinder.de/ I hope they can help you find someone to talk to and cry with when you need to. It really helped me that there were groups like this, because my family and friends just got worn out dealing with me. Meanwhile here is a big hug from me. Please email me anytime. Pippin --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Mecki" wrote: > Hi! > > I don't know if it is right to post this here, but I feel so sad, so > frustrated, so angry and sooo lonely. > > Nobody went to the graveyard... > Nobody called... > Nobody even mentioned her name... > > It is as if she died again. Or worse: as if she had never existed!! > > Yesterday morning, exactly nine years ago, our oldest daughter, our > baby ,died. > > W I E B K E > > Born 21.Sept.1993 > Died 22.Sept.1993 > > Wiebke and her twin-sister Maike where born after only 26 weeks of > pregnancy. Maike fought over 7 months and finally made it, but Wiebke > was too ill to fight, even if she was the "bigger and heavier" of the > two. She died after 10 hours and 13 minutes, leaving my life in pieces > > Every single day in the last nine years I missed her so much! > Don't get me wrong. The time I spent sobbing on my bed all day is long > over. But every night before I fall asleep, my heart opens towards the > sky, the tears start running and I can hear myself think "Hello > darling, here is mummy..." > > My friends (and more frustrating, my relatives too) don't even let me > mention her. "Well meant"(?!?) advice from so called friends is > "forget about it" (as if a dead child is some kind of accident or > disease you can recover from) or "why aren't you just happy about the > two kids you have". Hey , I am. I love Wiebkes twin-sister Maike and > their little brother Marten more than anything in the world. But I > have THREE children. And just because one can't be with me, doesn't > mean I don't feel as close to her as to the others > > With a lot of hard work, I managed to "separate" the twins. We had a > big birthday- party for Maike on Saturday, and it was really fun. I > can show Maike how happy I am to have her, without always thinking > "there should be TWO girls blowing the candles of their birthday- > cake, TWO girls fighting over their presents etc.(These thoughts came > at night, the birthday-girl asleep after a happy day, when in my > "evening-talk" I wished my baby a "happy birthday in heaven"). > I can look at my daughter without always thinking. "How would Wiebke > be". They where identical twins, so I sort of "know" how she would > look like, but twins are mostly very individual characters, so I don't > really know her after all. > > Saturday was a "happy" day, because of Maike, who survived. But > yesterday was Wiebkes "death - day", the day I thought at least the > people belonging to or close to my family could think of the "missing" > grandchild, niece or "friends oldest daughter". I believe a person is > only truly dead when he's forgotten, and that they're really sort of > "letting her die" a second time- through sheer ignorance or > mindlessness. > > Again, I'm not sure if it is right to post this here. All this is not > your fault, most of you probably didn't even know. > But I had the feeling that I had to. . It feels so good to talk to > somebody about Wiebke and what she means to me. Letting as many people > as possible know about her, makes her "live" in the hearts or > thoughts, and it comforts me. > All this is choking me today. I know from the past years, that > everything will probably be back to "normal" (whatever that is) in a > few days, but the "anniversary-days" are always hard to cope with. > > My favourite poems: > > If we could have a lifetime wish > A dream that would come true, > We'd pray to God with all our hearts > For yesterday and you. > A thousand words can't bring you back > We know because we've tried... > Neither will a thousand tears > We know because we've cried... > You left behind our broken hearts > And happy memories too... > But we never wanted memories > We only wanted you. > (unknown) > > and > > "Childrens????s Footprints > > Some children come into our lives and go quickly. > Some children come into our lives and stay awhile > . > All our children come into our lives and leave footprints - > Some oh so small; some a little larger; some larger still > > But all have left their footprints on our lives; in our hearts, > and we will never, never be the same. > > (Doreen Sexton) > > > Light a candle in your window for my little daughter tonight, please. > And when you look up into the sky, remember: > > Every star you see, is a baby looking down on its mother. > > Thanks for listening > Sabine (Mecki) with Maike and Marten firmly by the hand, and Wiebke > deep inside her heart > > ????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*??? ?*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????* > mothers hold their children's hands awhile, > and their hearts forever... > ????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*??? ?*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????*????* From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Sep 24 19:41:25 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:41:25 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Phyllis, who is no doubt someone's erisedstraeh, wrote: > got me wondering whether I'm the only HPfGU-er who > *doesn't* think Harry is more powerful without a wand (at least not > as of Book 4) and who suspects Snape of being ever-so-evil? At the risk of being dangerously on-topic, I don't think Harry is more powerful without a wand (I don't even remember that discussion-- must've been on vacay--too bad, because it sounds interesting). I can't join you on Snape, though; although I am sure more Snape revelations await, I think the major twist has already been twined. Don't despair. Start S.I.A.M.E.S.E. C.A.T. (Snape Is Assuredly Most Ever So Evil. Coming: Another Twist) and see who joins up! Amy Z heading home to reverse the trend by washing the dishes, sorting the laundry, weeding the garden, and watching TV (only 6 games left in baseball season, after all) From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 24 21:22:34 2002 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:22:34 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amy Z wrote: > Phyllis, who is no doubt someone's erisedstraeh Now me: You're too kind! Here's hoping my hubby still thinks so after 13 years of marriage! Amy again: > At the risk of being dangerously on-topic, I don't think Harry is > more powerful without a wand (I don't even remember that discussion- > - must've been on vacay--too bad, because it sounds interesting). Me again: It was about a month or so again - Grey Wolf and I had quite a back and forth about it. It's apparently part of the MAGIC DISHWASHER theory. It *was* quite an interesting discussion! Amy again: > Don't despair. Start S.I.A.M.E.S.E. C.A.T. (Snape Is Assuredly > Most Ever So Evil. Coming: Another Twist) and see who joins up! Me again: Ooooh, great idea, thanks :-)! ~Phyllis From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 00:56:04 2002 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:56:04 -0000 Subject: Open Letter to Jo Rowling; some serious ramblings . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "dicentra63" wrote: > Dear Ms. Rowling, > > Each of us notices different things, we share with the group, and > those observations spark further ideas. We realize that we are > making much ado about nothing with some subjects, but that's OK. > We're having so much fun wondering and being filled with wonder that > we can hardly stand it. Dishes pile up in our sinks. Clothes go > unwashed. Weeds fill our gardens. Dust collects on the TV remote. > > We just can't stop. And that's why it makes us sad that while we're > having a glorious time reading and writing and sleeping and drinking > and eating and living HP online, we also might be giving you cause to > feel insecure about your skill as a writer. > > Well, I just have to share a few thoughts here . . . I read Dicentra's letter a few days ago and thouht it was stated very eloquently. I hope J.K. does read it. And another thing I'd like to share with Jo Rowling: I wanted to share that almost excatly one year ago, our family life started a wild roller-coaster ride, namely, taking care aging, sick parents; enough said. It was about last October when upon looking for gossip for my HP obsessed son that I discovered the wonderful world of fan fiction. It opened up a whole new world to me (to say the least!!). I discovered that there were also "grownups" out there who where interested in this "childrens'" book series, and the characters and situations that arose in their world. Needless to say, the wonderful stories that can be found here took me away from the stress of RL. It was great! It also forced me to re-read HP canon, as I had not read it completely myself but with my kids. At the time, I blamed my obsession with my being able to get away from it all by *being there* with the trio, and wanting to know what happened next. But I have just recently started reading DD again, and found that I cannot put it down!! The interaction between the trio plus Draco is just too good to resist!! I am not a writer nor do I pretend to be one (or play one on tv . . .), but I believe the writing in this series is superb!! For someone who used to loathe the reading assignments that we had to complete during summer vaction during school, I can't ever remember enjoying *Reading* so much! Yes, as Dicentra stated, I have also left dishes unwashed, laundry in the washing machine, et cetera, et cetera. However, I have a new insight to why people sit in trains, reading these big, thick books; because it brings you to another world; teaches you things you things you never knew before; makes you laugh, and makes you cry. And this all started for me with Harry Potter. I guess I'm just rambling here, but my whole purpose of this is to say a big THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, to the many wonderful writers out there. You have brought people great joy, and probably initiated a few freindships along the way. Don't stop what you're doing. It is rather amazing that now that Oprah has stopped her book club, so many others have been initiated. There is an amazing power in books, which I am only now becoming aware of. Now, on to start DS . . .(it's so much better the second time around!! And what is it that they say?, third time is a charm!??) *I CAN'T WAIT!* Happy reading, Anna . . . From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Sep 25 02:09:55 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:09:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I need a little help here! References: Message-ID: <017901c26438$a50c7b40$cda0cdd1@istu757> Alora writes: > I hate to veer to far off topic, because I am useless in the filk > department. BUT.....what are you going to wear? ;-) You know > women, we want to know these details. I can't wait to hear how it > goes with the kids. I'm sure most of them are aware of HP, at least > through the movie. Good luck! Well, so far here's what I have: My black college graduation gown, it's close enough to a robe. I'm cross stitching a Gryffindor crest for the front. I'll carry a stack of books, I think I'll stick Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages in there. I've got a wand--bought it at the party store today. 14 inches, made of--oh, sorry. :) I still want to get a quill. I was looking in the wedding section at the party store, and my mom said we should just make one with a feather and pen. She said she thinks she still has a peacock feather somewhere. I nearly fell out in the store, all I could think of was Lockhart's "autograph" quill!!! She was quite confused at my reaction until I explained. :) What else do I need? A scroll? Parchment looking paper? I know all my first graders know about Harry Potter, most of them had seen the movie before they were even exposed to me and my obsessiveness. :) The younger ones I'm not too sure about, I'll have some explaining to do. Which is why I'm trying to come up with a song for them. Here's my first attempt (warning--do not laugh! It is extremely stupid and made for very very low level four year olds!): To the tune of "She'll Be Comin' 'Round the Mountain" I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name; I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name; I'm Hermione Granger, I'm Hermione Granger; I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name. Oh I study and read lots of great big books; Oh I study and read lots of great big books; Oh I study and I read, oh I study and I read; Oh I study and read lots of great big books. I have two good friends named Harry and Ron; I have two good friends named Harry and Ron; They can get in lots of trouble, but they're really such good fella's I have two good friends named Harry and Ron. Okay, that's pathetic. I need HELP!!!!!!!! Jennifer writes: > idea at telling them WHO you are. Another question, can you imitate the British > accent? ;) Yes, yes! I can do Hermione pretty well (i.e. Emma Watson!). Not nearly as good as I can do Draco (Scared, Potter!?), but I am NOT dressing up as Draco. :) But I'll concentrate on Hermione and my accent will be satisfactory. Richelle **************************************************************************** **** "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring **************************************************************************** **** From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 03:24:13 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:24:13 -0000 Subject: I need a little help here! In-Reply-To: <017901c26438$a50c7b40$cda0cdd1@istu757> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Richelle Votaw" wrote: >> Well, so far here's what I have: My black college graduation gown, it's > close enough to a robe. I'm cross stitching a Gryffindor crest for the > front. I'll carry a stack of books, I think I'll stick Fantastic Beasts and > Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages in there. I've got a > wand--bought it at the party store today. 14 inches, made of--oh, sorry. :) > I still want to get a quill. I was looking in the wedding section at the > party store, and my mom said we should just make one with a feather and pen. > She said she thinks she still has a peacock feather somewhere. I nearly > fell out in the store, all I could think of was Lockhart's "autograph" > quill!!! She was quite confused at my reaction until I explained. :) > > What else do I need? A scroll? Parchment looking paper? Oh, I hadn't thought of the college robe, but that would be great!! I bought my son the coolest wood wand from The Wandmaker, whom I would highly recommend for wands, if anyone is interested. They look great. Anyway, she also makes quills and parchment. I am going to buy some for christmas for my kids. I think that part of her site is called "Dungeon Depot." She makes robes, too, for kids and adults, but it's the wands and quills I like. Are you going to make your hair all bushy? ;-) I think you will look great! You should take pictures and post them. Oh! What about a time turner? Now I am getting carried away......wheeee > > To the tune of "She'll Be Comin' 'Round the Mountain" > > I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name; > I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name; > I'm Hermione Granger, I'm Hermione Granger; > I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name. > > Oh I study and read lots of great big books; > Oh I study and read lots of great big books; > Oh I study and I read, oh I study and I read; > Oh I study and read lots of great big books. > > I have two good friends named Harry and Ron; > I have two good friends named Harry and Ron; > They can get in lots of trouble, but they're really such good fella's > I have two good friends named Harry and Ron. I think it's great and they will love it. I couldn't even come up with that! > Yes, yes! I can do Hermione pretty well (i.e. Emma Watson!). Not nearly as > good as I can do Draco (Scared, Potter!?), but I am NOT dressing up as > Draco. :) *GASP* you don't want to be Draco?! OooOooo I'd love to dress up as the "baddie" for once >:) Alora From carmenharms at yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 03:22:18 2002 From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:22:18 -0000 Subject: Hoagy Carmicahel on Muggles (was: The Stouffer case) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Caius Marcius" wrote: > Reviewing the court decision, I saw that Louis Armstrong wrote a > song in 1928 called Muggles. I tried to Google the lyrics to assess > them for their filkability, but I found that Muggles is an > instrumental piece. However, I did find this passage from Tin Pan > Alley Master Hoagy Carmichael on one definition of Muggles I do not > recall seeing before: > Hmmmmmmm... so a "muggle" is the same thing as a "doobie". I wonder if Stouffer will sue the Doobie Brothers next. --snazzzybird, who is so very, very glad that Stouffer's big con didn't succeed. From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 04:52:57 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 04:52:57 -0000 Subject: Costumes, AGAIN Message-ID: Sorry to beat the dead horse, but I have a couple of questions that I wanted to ask. Anyone know where I can get a Gryffindor tie? I KNOW that I saw one a couple of weeks ago, but now I can't find the site! *whine* Does anyone know where I can get one, preferably without spending an arm and a leg? Also, do they make patches (or for the British crowd, badges) of the Hogwarts' houses? I'd like to get a gryffindor patch to put on my black robe ;-). Any advice/information is much appreciated! Carry on! :D Alora From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 12:33:38 2002 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:33:38 -0000 Subject: The Stouffer case In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > JenP, who being an intelligent person, wouldn't > dream of bringing altered documents into a courtroom > - especially if she were up against multi- > millionaires with a reputation to protect and money > to earn. Jennifer, you took the words right out of my own utterly gobsmacked mouth. I mean it was clear to me just on the face of things that Stouffer was ludicrous and opportunistic to an offensive degree. But FABRICATING evidence??? The hubris!! Who in their right minds would do such a thing in a legal context? She is certainly living in a serious reality-warp, well beyond ordinary arrogance. Is she delusional?? I am groping for any explanation as to why a reasonable adult would do something like this. Perhaps she is simply a monumentally stupid con-artist who has met her Peter Principal head on at 120 miles an hour? I guess it happens. I am also pleased as punch that the judge slammed her for this. I hate to sound like a meanie, but I have not a scrap of sympathy for her. Fabricated evidence!! You have got to be kidding!!! Suzanne From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Sep 25 09:02:40 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:02:40 +0000 (EST5EDT) Subject: What are these books? Message-ID: <4039B32B31@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> The link from The Leaky Cauldron that goes to the article about the best Children's Book survery mentions a book called BFG. What is this? http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/ 2002/09/22/nread22.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/09/22/ixhome.html Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees & Deposits I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, 'Well, that's not going to happen.' From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Wed Sep 25 14:52:19 2002 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:52:19 -0000 Subject: What are these books? In-Reply-To: <4039B32B31@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Rachel Bray wrote: > The link from The Leaky Cauldron that goes to the article > about the best Children's Book survery mentions a book > called BFG. > > What is this? Roald Dahl's _Big Friendly Giant_. Best regards Christian Stub? From john at queerasjohn.com Wed Sep 25 16:51:34 2002 From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:51:34 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What are these books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Rachel Bray wrote: >> The link from The Leaky Cauldron that goes to the article >> about the best Children's Book survery mentions a book >> called BFG. >> >> What is this? ::O_O:: Rachel! I cannot believe you've not read the BFG (Big Friendly Giant). You *must* run out immediately to your nearest bookstore and buy it. It's one of my all time favorite books. And, besides, it was the first book to let me know that my hatred of cucumbers (snozzcumbers) was in fact rational. :D While you're there, it might interest you to pick up "Boy", also by Roald Dahl. It's mainly about British boarding schools. Terribly good. --John ______________________________________ Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com www.queerasjohn.com AIM & YM @ QueerAsJohn "There's nowt as queer as folk." --English proverb ______________________________________ From olivia at rocketbandit.com Wed Sep 25 17:18:19 2002 From: olivia at rocketbandit.com (Olivia) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:18:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What are these books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John said: "I cannot believe you've not read the BFG (Big Friendly Giant). You *must* run out immediately to your nearest bookstore and buy it. It's one of my all time favorite books. And, besides, it was the first book to let me know that my hatred of cucumbers (snozzcumbers) was in fact rational. :D While you're there, it might interest you to pick up "Boy", also by Roald Dahl. It's mainly about British boarding schools. Terribly good." While you're there, pick up "Matilda," "Witches," and "The Twits." If you like the Harry Potter books, I see no reason why you wouldn't enjoy Roald Dahl. There's a lot in common between "Matilda" and Harry Potter. Matilda isn't a witch but she is an excpetional child. Olivia From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Sep 25 17:23:00 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:23:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wands (was Re: I need a little help here!) Message-ID: <5734713.1032974580571.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> > Oh, I hadn't thought of the college robe, but that would be great!! > I bought my son the coolest wood wand from The Wandmaker, whom I > would highly recommend for wands, if anyone is interested. They > look great. Anyway, she also makes quills and parchment. I am > going to buy some for christmas for my kids. I think that part of > her site is called "Dungeon Depot." She makes robes, too, for kids > and adults, but it's the wands and quills I like. Are you going to > make your hair all bushy? ;-) I think you will look great! You > should take pictures and post them. Oh! What about a time turner? > Now I am getting carried away......wheeee Oh, no, look what you've done!!! Those are the most incredible wands I've ever seen!!!! I must, must, must have one! The quills and parchment are great too. Now I'm torn between the "Henry" wand and the "Penelope" wand. I think I won't be telling my friends and family how much I'm paying for a wand!!! :) Anyway, thanks for the info on this site, I'd never seen it! Richelle ---------- --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Richelle Votaw" wrote: >> Well, so far here's what I have: My black college graduation gown, it's > close enough to a robe. I'm cross stitching a Gryffindor crest for the > front. I'll carry a stack of books, I think I'll stick Fantastic Beasts and > Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages in there. I've got a > wand--bought it at the party store today. 14 inches, made of--oh, sorry. :) > I still want to get a quill. I was looking in the wedding section at the > party store, and my mom said we should just make one with a feather and pen. > She said she thinks she still has a peacock feather somewhere. I nearly > fell out in the store, all I could think of was Lockhart's "autograph" > quill!!! She was quite confused at my reaction until I explained. :) > > What else do I need? A scroll? Parchment looking paper? Oh, I hadn't thought of the college robe, but that would be great!! I bought my son the coolest wood wand from The Wandmaker, whom I would highly recommend for wands, if anyone is interested. They look great. Anyway, she also makes quills and parchment. I am going to buy some for christmas for my kids. I think that part of her site is called "Dungeon Depot." She makes robes, too, for kids and adults, but it's the wands and quills I like. Are you going to make your hair all bushy? ;-) I think you will look great! You should take pictures and post them. Oh! What about a time turner? Now I am getting carried away......wheeee > > To the tune of "She'll Be Comin' 'Round the Mountain" > > I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name; > I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name; > I'm Hermione Granger, I'm Hermione Granger; > I'm Hermione Granger, that's my name. > > Oh I study and read lots of great big books; > Oh I study and read lots of great big books; > Oh I study and I read, oh I study and I read; > Oh I study and read lots of great big books. > > I have two good friends named Harry and Ron; > I have two good friends named Harry and Ron; > They can get in lots of trouble, but they're really such good fella's > I have two good friends named Harry and Ron. I think it's great and they will love it. I couldn't even come up with that! > Yes, yes! I can do Hermione pretty well (i.e. Emma Watson!). Not nearly as > good as I can do Draco (Scared, Potter!?), but I am NOT dressing up as > Draco. :) *GASP* you don't want to be Draco?! OooOooo I'd love to dress up as the "baddie" for once >:) Alora ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 17:39:21 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:39:21 -0000 Subject: Kids say the funniest things - and a day for shots. Message-ID: So. Last night was Tuesday night, of course, and for those of you who are familiar with BBC America, it was their 'Changing Rooms' night. My husband and I aren't that interested in broadcast TV anymore, so after watching the season premiere of 'Frasier' (which was funny, but will probably end up being the only episode we'll watch this season), we watched CR for the rest of the evening. I knew I was addicted to BBC America when my oldest daughter Ginger (3 1/2, as you know) started banging on her walls with her play hammer. Me: "Ginger, what are you *doing* in there???" Ginger: "I'm playing 'Changing Rooms', Mommy!" How horrifying. In other news, Allie has an appointment at the pediatrician's office this afternoon, and is scheduled to get 4 shots at once. I can't wait. JenP, who also seems to be addicted to 'Ground Force' and 'So Graham Norton'... PS. For those of you ex-English majors/writers/editors out there, yes I KNOW I should have underlined the names of the tv shows. I just didn't want to. So there. :P From pinguthegreek at ukf.net Wed Sep 25 17:43:51 2002 From: pinguthegreek at ukf.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:43:51 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What are these books? References: Message-ID: <001101c264bb$1f06da80$429b01d4@john> The best Roald Dahl book by far is Danny, Champion of the World. It's most charming indeed. Michelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 18:25:45 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:25:45 -0000 Subject: Wands (was Re: I need a little help here!) In-Reply-To: <5734713.1032974580571.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rvotaw at i... wrote: > > Oh, no, look what you've done!!! Those are the most incredible wands I've ever > seen!!!! I must, must, must have one! The quills and parchment are great > too. Now I'm torn between the "Henry" wand and the "Penelope" wand. I think I > won't be telling my friends and family how much I'm paying for a wand!!! :) > > Anyway, thanks for the info on this site, I'd never seen it! > > Richelle Richelle, my son has the Penelope wand and it's great. You can't go wrong with that one! I bought the Henry wand for a birthday present for the little HP addict across the street, and it was nice, but the Penelope one was much better. But there were so many to choose from! I still haven't picked mine yet ;) You're going to look great! Alora From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Sep 26 01:37:14 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:37:14 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wands (was Re: I need a little help here!) References: Message-ID: <003601c264fd$3e7a4860$f0a2cdd1@istu757> Alora writes: > Richelle, my son has the Penelope wand and it's great. You can't go > wrong with that one! I bought the Henry wand for a birthday present > for the little HP addict across the street, and it was nice, but the > Penelope one was much better. But there were so many to choose > from! I still haven't picked mine yet ;) You're going to look > great! Well, I've done it! I ordered the Penelope wand. And the quill/ink/parchment set. Now I've got to stop playing around on the computer and start on that Gryffindor emblem! Oh--and I think I'm getting the bushy hair thing down pretty good. I used some volumizing shampoo and conditioner last night and this morning had a bit of trouble getting the brush through my hair! My hair's way too dark for Hermione's--closer to Harry's color, but it'll have to do! Richelle **************************************************************************** **** "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring **************************************************************************** **** From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 03:36:30 2002 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:36:30 -0000 Subject: Wands (was Re: I need a little help here!) In-Reply-To: <003601c264fd$3e7a4860$f0a2cdd1@istu757> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > Well, I've done it! I ordered the Penelope wand. And the > quill/ink/parchment set. Now I've got to stop playing around on the > computer and start on that Gryffindor emblem! > > Oh--and I think I'm getting the bushy hair thing down pretty good. I used > some volumizing shampoo and conditioner last night and this morning had a > bit of trouble getting the brush through my hair! My hair's way too dark > for Hermione's--closer to Harry's color, but it'll have to do! > > Richelle Oh, you are going to have so much fun! I want to come. *pouts* Do have someone take pictures of you, and some in front of the class because I want to see them! Wouldn't it be cool if you could say, "WinGARdium LeviOsa" have have someone pull a feather on a fishing line?! :D I'm thinking of dressing up as McGonagall to hand out candy on Halloween. BUt I am thinking I might scare the little ones, hehe. You're going to have fun! Alora From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Sep 26 04:04:48 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:04:48 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wands (was Re: I need a little help here!) References: Message-ID: <001d01c26511$dbab9620$3b9ccdd1@istu757> Alora writes: > Oh, you are going to have so much fun! I want to come. *pouts* Do > have someone take pictures of you, and some in front of the class > because I want to see them! Wouldn't it be cool if you could > say, "WinGARdium LeviOsa" have have someone pull a feather on a > fishing line?! :D I'm thinking of dressing up as McGonagall to > hand out candy on Halloween. BUt I am thinking I might scare the > little ones, hehe. You're going to have fun! I just hope I don't do anything too ridiculous to embarrass myself too much! And how could a sweet thing like McGonagall scare children?! :) I've started on the Gryffindor crest (cross stitching it) though I haven't got much done. I've got the day off tomorrow, due to school being canceled thanks to tropical storm Isidore, so hopefully I'll get a good bit of it done. Off to bed now to listen to the sounds of rain and howling winds. :) Richelle From jenw118 at HotPOP.com Thu Sep 26 04:02:55 2002 From: jenw118 at HotPOP.com (Jennifer R. Wilson) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:02:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wands (was Re: I need a little help here!) In-Reply-To: <001d01c26511$dbab9620$3b9ccdd1@istu757> Message-ID: <000701c26511$98aeff10$6ec5fbd8@oemcomputer> That sounds like fun, where did you find the pattern for the Gryffindor crest? I hope you are well out of the way of Isidore's path. Jennifer Richelle said: I just hope I don't do anything too ridiculous to embarrass myself too much! And how could a sweet thing like McGonagall scare children?! :) I've started on the Gryffindor crest (cross stitching it) though I haven't got much done. I've got the day off tomorrow, due to school being canceled thanks to tropical storm Isidore, so hopefully I'll get a good bit of it done. Off to bed now to listen to the sounds of rain and howling winds. :) Richelle Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meckelburg at foni.net Thu Sep 26 05:37:17 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (Mecki) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:37:17 -0000 Subject: Thanks for your comfort! Message-ID: Hi! I want to thank all of you! Those who answered to my post (I'll answer each letter offlist) and those who just thought of Wiebke when he/she read about it, not knowing what to say. It feels good to know that this is a list that is not only just fun, but where you can come when you feel bad too. I feel alot better today, nearly back to normal. I can laugh about the kids again, enjoy the sun and Wiebkes hours are back to the night again. If anyone felt I disturbed the fun: I'm sorry.Those of you who don't remember me (I wrote more fequently some months back, but mostly lurk now) might know my posts are usually not so loaded with emotions, so sad. (Some might remember my 3year-olds birthday-party in April?) But this letter, and even more the responds gave me alot of comfort through the "anniversary-days". Thanks again, for listening and comfort Mecki *************************** mothers hold their children's hands awhile, and their hearts forever From miss_megan at bigpond.com Thu Sep 26 13:36:56 2002 From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:36:56 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wiebke In-Reply-To: <1033025777.456.28659.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Mecki! Surely no one could think you 'disturbed the fun'. At least I hope not. What I value about this list is the diverse community nature of this list. In recent times when I've not had a home PC this was the list I missed the most: not (sorry) for the costume posts (or the food ones) but for stories about our lives and the comfort we give each other. That's not something you can get anywhere. I am glad you are feeling better now, I hope you can bring your grief about Wiebke's death and joy at her life in to the day for ever. Her other siblings also deserve to know her and they can't do that if she is only alive while they are asleep. How do you pronounce Wiebke's name? storm, 2 dogs + one annoying snot ggrrrrr, 2 cats, 6 lorikeets, 1 sea gull, 1 currawong, 1 Noisy Miner and 1 cockatiel. From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 26 15:11:25 2002 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:11:25 -0000 Subject: The Crayons of the Box (filk) Message-ID: The Crayons of the Box (To the tune of The Colors of the Wind, from Pocohontas) Hear a MIDI at: http://www.dismusic.com/allmidi.htm Dedicated to Heidi Tandy NOTE: I usually don't post my filks to OTChatter, but this is the group that's been discussing the Stouffer case. My knowledge of the affair is pretty superficial, so I would appreciate hearing from more knowledgeable individuals if there are any factual discrepancies, if I've left out anything pertinent, or just general suggestions about twisting the knife a little deeper. Find a copy of the Court's ruling at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TLCdotORG/files/Miscellania/stouffer THE SCENE: US District Court For The Southern District Of New York, September 17, 2002. Enter NANCY STOUFFER, after District Judge Allen G. Schwartz's decision has been handed down STOUFFER You think it's a frivolous lawsuit The result of this court case is I owe Jo 50K But still I cannot see Why some spurious copies Have put my claims in such a disarray Disarray .. The judge says Jo owns all the words she wrote down That jurors can't confuse our two domains But I invented that man they call Nimbus And the Myn, and the Nevils, so untamed Jo thinks the only Muggles who are Muggles Are the people who look and think like us. But she ignores their post-atomic struggles And the fact that they're just 18 inches plus Have you ever drank a draught from my Desire's Well? Or ever made a counterfeit Xerox? Can you delve into deceptions mixed with libel? Can you draw with all the crayons of the box? Can you draw with all the crayons of the box? Come pay a visit to my Memory Mountain Come hear the famous Legends of the Rah Come learn the stirring saga of a Stouffer Speaking truth, seeking justice, Blah Blah Blah The shyster and the gossip are my sisters Dame Rumour nurtures my urban legends And we are all connected to each other In news cycles that we hope will never end How thick can my statements grow? There's injunctions now, so you'll never know Now you'll never hear the song that Lily sings to friends, Or meet the Muggle riding on his ant And you will never see young Larry Potter's lenses For my books are out-of-print, and so you can't. Jo has won this case but yet Here's the thing you can't forget: Her books shun all of the crayons of the box - CMC HARRY POTTER FILKS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm From meckelburg at foni.net Thu Sep 26 15:27:14 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (Mecki) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:27:14 -0000 Subject: German Names- Wiebke Message-ID: Hi! Thanks "Storm" for answering.I was so eager to talk about all this, I'm glad that (most) of you didn't mind. To your question: Pronouncing German names is usually not so easy- for the english-speaking people Let's see: ie is pronounced simila to ee in english and the e at the end somewhere like u in Turtle only short and a bit lighter(?). Hey Mike, the goat, or Dinah, can you help explain this? Are you somewhere near? Mecki (Hey, I think I nearly sound myself again-it usually takes a week, but this time I didn't have to go through it alone, maybe it helped) From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Sep 26 23:33:06 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:33:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wands (was Re: I need a little help here!) References: <000701c26511$98aeff10$6ec5fbd8@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <018001c265b5$16b5e2e0$a69fcdd1@istu757> Jennifer asked: > That sounds like fun, where did you find the pattern for the Gryffindor > crest? I hope you are well out of the way of Isidore's path. Well, Isidore is now long gone. Nice to have a day off to sleep late, though. Anyway, there is a Harry Potter cross stitch book made by a company in France. The whole thing's in French, but the charts are color, so it's easy enough to figure out. I bought mine from www.pawprintscrossstitch.com Richelle **************************************************************************** **** "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring **************************************************************************** **** From ruhgozler at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 23:51:53 2002 From: ruhgozler at yahoo.com (Linda Williams) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] In-Reply-To: <018001c265b5$16b5e2e0$a69fcdd1@istu757> Message-ID: <20020926235153.25279.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Richelle Votaw wrote: > > Well, Isidore is now long gone. Nice to have a day > off to sleep late, > though. Anyway, there is a Harry Potter cross > stitch book made by a company > in France. The whole thing's in French, but the > charts are color, so it's > easy enough to figure out. I bought mine from > www.pawprintscrossstitch.com > > Richelle > Could you be a little more specific? The site doesn't have a search function. What section is it listed in? What is the name of the company? Linda ===== "The Fiction-Pusher" just ask my addicted friends. http://www.fictionalley.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Sep 27 00:39:59 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:39:59 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter cross stitch References: <20020926235153.25279.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c265be$69c672c0$b49dcdd1@istu757> > Could you be a little more specific? The site doesn't > have a search function. What section is it listed in? > What is the name of the company? > Linda Try this link: http://www.pawprintscrossstitch.com/dmcfrance.htm If that doesn't work, click on Books & Leaflets from the main page, then scroll down to DMC France--Harry Potter. It is by DMC France and the copyright is Mango Pratique. Whatever that is. It is WB approved. Author (artist?) is Frederique Deviller. Richelle From crabtree at ktc.com Fri Sep 27 05:09:13 2002 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:09:13 -0000 Subject: Bittersweet Day Message-ID: I love you guys. Mecki, a year ago I posted from time to time, but I have slipped into lurk mode for several months now. I even had a post half finished to you the other day before I clicked the cancel button. I am so glad that things are beginning to look brighter for you again. Tonight I needed the smiles and chuckles I get from this list since I have just learned that there is one less HP fan out there. My sister has been battling cancer for the last couple of years. Just after she started chemo treatments I gave her a tape to listen to while she received her treatments. She became as addicted as I am. This last summer when she realized the the battle would soon be lost, she gave me all of her Harry collectables. I received a call a few hours ago that she died tonight. She was less than two years older than I and one grade ahead of me. We shared a bed growing up and were best friends. It has been a hard fight and I am glad she doesn't have to do it anymore, but I can't help feeling the great loss. ON A LIGHTER NOTE: Our story this week in my fifth grade class was "We Will Never Forget You, Roberto Clemente." It is about a baseball player who dies in a plane crash while attempting to fly supplies to earthquake victims in Nicaragua. On the test the students are asked, "Where was Roberto Clemente going when he died? Why was he going there?" One of my precious fifth grade girls who wishes she could be Hermione (or Hermonia as keeps pronouncing it) answered, "He was going to heaven because he helped people who were in need because of the earthquake." I just love my job!!! I enjoyed the all of your posts tonight. Thanks for the virtual shoulder. I will now gather up all of my tissues, dry the keyboard, and join my hubby for a couple of hours before the alarm starts screaming at me. Professor Phlash smiling through the tears From aeshapi at yahoo.com Fri Sep 27 05:30:31 2002 From: aeshapi at yahoo.com (Alison Shapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:30:31 -0000 Subject: Sending Hugs Message-ID: Professor Phlash, I am so sorry to hear about your loss. Your sister sounds like a wonderful person and I know you will miss her. I just lurk on this group but as no response to your message had showen up on the group when I checked in tonight I wanted to let you know that someone was thinking of you. Bye for now, Alison From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Sep 27 15:54:30 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:54:30 +0000 (EST5EDT) Subject: hmm.. I think this story already exists.... Message-ID: <770BCD568C@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Isn't this just a remake of Something Wicked This Way Comes? http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/27/the.thief.lord.a p/index.html Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees & Deposits I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, 'Well, that's not going to happen.' From catlady at wicca.net Fri Sep 27 20:24:01 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:24:01 -0000 Subject: Hugs all 'round // wands Message-ID: I found an opportunity to check my beloved OT list and found that I was days late to hug Mecki ... Oh, dear, Mecki, I don't know what to say, except some things that sound terribly irrelevant. For one, that you are a *very* good writer. You put words together (and in a foreign language, which must be harder) so that I was *looking* at your words, and *seeing* your raw, huge, ragged pain ... and there is nothing I can do about the pain, except be glad that your later post says you're carrying on, but I did want to hug you ... and it is very much of an art, or a talent, to make words carry meaning like that. And thank you for educating me: you taught me something about mother love that I have sometimes read before, but it was just words then. And Jo Crabtree ============================ After a long pause in which I tried unsuccessfully to think of something helpful to say ("This is what philosophers call The Problem of Evil", and they've never solved it"?), I rudely continue to a more cheerful topic: Alora and Richelle spoke of The Wandmaker. I've been dithering about a year what/whether to buy, the Redwood and Phoenix Feather that I was rather pleased that the wb site assigned me on my first try there, or custom made California Laurel (she doesn't list Thunderbird feathers as a core, but maybe I could be persuasive), and *what* would I do with it once I got it? From jenw118 at HotPOP.com Fri Sep 27 20:40:41 2002 From: jenw118 at HotPOP.com (Jennifer R. Wilson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:40:41 -0500 Subject: Wand Maker? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c26666$26c77b60$89c5fbd8@oemcomputer> Richelle and Alora, can one of you please enlighten me of this site in which to order wands/quills/parchment sets? I will most likely never get the chance to order from them, but I want to take a look, and dream of course :) Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Sep 27 21:18:02 2002 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:18:02 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wand Maker? References: <000001c26666$26c77b60$89c5fbd8@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00c401c2666b$5d892cc0$029ccdd1@istu757> Jennifer asks: > Richelle and Alora, can one of you please enlighten me of this site in > which to order wands/quills/parchment sets? I will most likely never > get the chance to order from them, but I want to take a look, and dream > of course :) It's www.thewandshop.com I ordered the Penelope wand. I never would have let myself have it, but if I'm going to dress up like Hermione, well, my mom always said if a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well. :) So I might as well do it right! Richelle **************************************************************************** **** "May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out." ---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring **************************************************************************** **** From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Sep 28 21:31:18 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday (times two) Message-ID: <20020928213118.56401.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> *slips quietly into the room and hopes no one notices she's a day late with one of the birthday cakes* Bad, bad Birthday Elf missed a birthday yesterday. *stares up at Hollydaze with puppydog eyes and begs forgiveness* Yesterday's birthday honouree was Hollydaze. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: hollydaze at btinternet.com Today's birthday honouree is Kathy and her owls can be sent to this list or directly to: sororavo at aol.com I hope both our birthday listees have/had wonderful days, filled with fun and magic and everything good. Happy Birthday, Holly! Happy Birthday, Kathy! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From catlady at wicca.net Sat Sep 28 23:21:29 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:21:29 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday (times two) In-Reply-To: <20020928213118.56401.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > Yesterday's birthday honouree was Hollydaze. Huzzah, HOLLYDAZE!!! I am still using your transcription from last year of JKR's scribbled list of students in Harry's year. > Today's birthday honouree is Kathy and her owls can be > sent to this list or directly to: sororavo at a... Happy birthday, Kathy! I felt that I had sometime replied to sororavo@ as Sister Bird, so I searched the main list and found that I'd done so as recently as last July! How time flies! From minga at idx.com.au Sun Sep 29 23:00:59 2002 From: minga at idx.com.au (Belinda) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:00:59 -0000 Subject: 'Hogwart' mentioned in the Labyrinth Message-ID: I was watching the Labyrinth (you know, that kids movie from the 80's (1986 to be precice) with David Bowie in it) the other day and I couldn't help but notice that when one of the characters 'Hoggle' often gets called the wrong name by other characters, he's called 'Hogwart' a number of times. interesting... :) (and no I'm not suggesting that JK stole it, my name's not Nancy) :) Belinda From catlady at wicca.net Mon Sep 30 04:38:46 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:38:46 -0000 Subject: Beautful Wands Message-ID: If anyone wants to spend $100 on a wand that looks much more like I envisoned HP wands to look ... or just look at the pictures and read the FAQs: http://home.earthlink.net/~alferian/WANDS.HTML From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Mon Sep 30 11:56:22 2002 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:56:22 -0000 Subject: 'Hogwart' mentioned in the Labyrinth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Belinda" wrote: > I was watching the Labyrinth (you know, that kids movie from the 80's > (1986 to be precice) with David Bowie in it) the other day and I > couldn't help but notice that when one of the characters 'Hoggle' > often gets called the wrong name by other characters, he's called > 'Hogwart' a number of times. interesting... :) (and no I'm not > suggesting that JK stole it, my name's not Nancy) :) > > Belinda There's also a 1986 movie called "Troll" with the the lead characters a father and son named Harry Potter Sr. and Jr. (Michael Moriary and Noel Hathaway, respectively). - CMC From speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 15:13:18 2002 From: speedygonzo242 at hotmail.com (frankielee242) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:13:18 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday (times two) In-Reply-To: <20020928213118.56401.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Happy Birthday, Hollydaze! Happy Birthday, Kathy! Hope you both had a great birthday weekend!! Best wishes better late than never-- may this year be even better than last and may you never encounter earwax flavored Bernie Bott's Every Flavor Beans. Day late and dollar short Frankie, whose email has gone all wonky again...