From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr  1 00:05:27 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:05:27 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Here we go again <sigh> ... Another HP-banning attempt
References: <b6akek+qlqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3E88D7C7.000001.70575@monica>


A roleplaying-society at some university (in australia, I believe) 
was regularly picketed by various religious groups on campus, naming 
them satan-worshippers, and so on.  Finally they decided to 
retaliate, and had custom t-shirts made - on the front was 
written "Campus Crusade for Cthulhu", and on the back "Our god can 
eat your god for breakfast".
 
For some reason, I think I want one of those t-shirts....
 
Best regards
Christian Stub?
 
That's just cool. Try the Steve Jackson Games website - they have a lot of
shirts with comic slogans, I don't think they make Cthulu so probably none
quite like that, but similar stuff - quite possibly. They do have one I was
thinking of buying which says "If you're a Goth, where were you when we
sacked Rome?"  I don't know the exact url but a google search for the name
usually pulls it u - actually I might have the url.....

Should I be worried that not only do I have a separate folder for 'shopping'
in my favourites but that it has *eighteen* subfolders?

http://www.warehouse23.com/ is actually where I found the fun t-shirts. They
do actually have Cthulu stuff but none with that slogan (which is a pity
because I want one).

K



From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Apr  1 00:13:17 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:13:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Here we go again <sigh> ... Another HP-banning attempt
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Message-ID: <006b01c2f7e3$7f3b8840$62a0cdd1@RVotaw>

What annoys me about this sort of thing, is that 99.9% of the people wanting to ban Harry Potter haven't actually read it.  I'm a very devoted Christian, and I happen to also have a good concept of the difference in reality and fantasy.  There is a huge difference in real life witchcraft and fantasy stories.  Fantasy is, well, just that.  Fantasy.  The Chronicles of Narnia and the Lord of the Rings trilogy are commonly referred to as Christian literature.  Crossings book club (a Christian book club) had to issue an apology when they included an insert selling Star Wars Episode 1.  Yet they included the first LOTR movie in their catalog, not as an insert but as one of the main selections.  What is Gandalf, if not a wizard?  His staff?  A really big wand.  

For that matter, what exactly is the Fairy Godmother in Cinderella?  A witch. A good one, but a witch nonetheless.  What about Merlin in The Sword and the Stone?  A wizard.  What about The Wizard of Oz?  Glinda, the Good Witch.  And I could go on, but I'll spare you.

If someone doesn't think their child should read Harry Potter, that's fine. It's their business.  There are ways around it without banning the books from an entire school or school system.  For example, a library can have a block on certain books for certain children.  System not up to that?  A post-it note works just as well.  If the teacher's reading it aloud, have permission granted for the child to read their own book in the back of the room or out of the room.

Richelle


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From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 02:01:54 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:01:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Here we go again <sigh> ... Another HP-banning attempt
In-Reply-To: <006b01c2f7e3$7f3b8840$62a0cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <20030401020154.63694.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com>


An incredible post! Thank you! If people would actually READ the books before DAMNING them, A lot of children would be treated to an incredible reading experience. My cousin won't even discuss the books with me. Her kids will read them in the streets, I guess. 
Alex Fox
 
 Richelle Votaw <rvotaw at i-55.com> wrote:What annoys me about this sort of thing, is that 99.9% of the people wanting to ban Harry Potter haven't actually read it.  I'm a very devoted Christian, and I happen to also have a good concept of the difference in reality and fantasy.  There is a huge difference in real life witchcraft and fantasy stories.  Fantasy is, well, just that.  Fantasy.  The Chronicles of Narnia and the Lord of the Rings trilogy are commonly referred to as Christian literature.  Crossings book club (a Christian book club) had to issue an apology when they included an insert selling Star Wars Episode 1.  Yet they included the first LOTR movie in their catalog, not as an insert but as one of the main selections.  What is Gandalf, if not a wizard?  His staff?  A really big wand.  

For that matter, what exactly is the Fairy Godmother in Cinderella?  A witch. A good one, but a witch nonetheless.  What about Merlin in The Sword and the Stone?  A wizard.  What about The Wizard of Oz?  Glinda, the Good Witch.  And I could go on, but I'll spare you.

If someone doesn't think their child should read Harry Potter, that's fine. It's their business.  There are ways around it without banning the books from an entire school or school system.  For example, a library can have a block on certain books for certain children.  System not up to that?  A post-it note works just as well.  If the teacher's reading it aloud, have permission granted for the child to read their own book in the back of the room or out of the room.

Richelle


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From boggles at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  1 03:07:42 2003
From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:07:42 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Here we go again <sigh> ... Another
 HP-banning attempt
In-Reply-To: <3E889183.000001.88539@monica>
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At 8:05 PM +0100 3/31/03, Kathryn Cawte wrote:
>
>These people annoy me because I've had my own run ins with the 'Christian
>Union' at my uni (I was in the role playing society - apparently we can
>summon demons, I must have missed that meeting). Of course we didn't help -
>they picketed our stall so we decorated it with black candles, pentagrams
>and played music from films like the Exorcist .....

I'm a little surprised the Pagan Student Alliance didn't think you 
were spoofing them and get miffed . . .

Then again, I suppose they'd have to be grateful you were distracting 
the campus crusaders.  :)

In our case, the PSA and the role-playing club overlapped so heavily 
we just set up our booths next to each other and ran both at once. 
The Baptist Student Union gave us the cold-shoulder, but the other 
religious groups just looked confused.
-- 

  - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon			boggles at earthlink.net
"It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the 
act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. "
	- Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808.



From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 03:35:01 2003
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:35:01 -0000
Subject: Digest Number 982
In-Reply-To: <se88632c.035@mail.millikin.edu>
Message-ID: <b6b1d5+8ksj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Pessin" 
<jrpessin at m...> wrote:


> Anna said,
> 
> Dumbledore, EVIL????
> 
> Oh, my.  I'm  speechless.
> 
> This makes me want to go back and re-read all the books again, 
> looking for clues.  I must admit, I'm pretty bad at reading between 
> the lines (that's why I love the HPFG groups!)  I could never be 
> as 'creative' in my thinking as some of you are.
> 
> Hmmm, and Snape, I can't even start to try to figure him out!
>
> 
> if you like THAT one, try on REDHEAD ALWAYS for size: it's a REALLY 
out-there Dumbledore theory that came out on the main list a couple 
of weeks ago.  I don't remember the thread numbers (anybody else?), 
but I found the idea so interesting I'm writing a fanfic about it.
> 
> [shameless plug] The first chapter's at 
http://www.thedarkarts.org/authorLinks/Hobbit_Guy/Tempus_Fugit/, if 
you want to take a look. [/shameless plug]
> 
> Hobbit_guy, who knows he's totally self-promoting, but...


Ok, Jonathan, I'll take the bait.  What on earth does "REDHEAD 
ALWAYS" mean? 

 You know, this makes me wonder whether there is a list out there of 
the most popular theories, or rather, the most likely ones. Does 
anyone know??  I feel like I've missed out on the important ones!

Anna . . .(who wishes there were cliff notes for HP)


> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------






From urbana at charter.net  Tue Apr  1 03:38:43 2003
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:38:43 -0000
Subject: Here we go again <sigh> ... Another HP-banning attempt
In-Reply-To: <20030401020154.63694.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6b1k3+mkma@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, alex fox <trinity61us at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> An incredible post! Thank you! If people would actually READ the 
books before DAMNING them, A lot of children would be treated to an 
incredible reading experience. My cousin won't even discuss the books 
with me. Her kids will read them in the streets, I guess. 
> Alex Fox
>  
>

Which means those kids will probably "learn" as much about Harry 
Potter as they will probably "learn" about sex ;-)

Anne U
(who knows that book-banning is sometimes one step on the road toward 
book burning :-(




From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr  1 03:42:24 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 04:42:24 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Digest Number 982
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Message-ID: <3E890AA0.000001.99763@monica>

 
 
Anna . . .(who wishes there were cliff notes for HP)
 
 Cliff Notes - alas no, but Spark Notes, oh yes. Although frankly I wasn't
impressed. *shrugs* but maybe that's just me. I pretty much decided to hate
them when they listed three characters as the main protagonists and that's
all (I forget which three but it wasn't HHR, 2 of them I think but not all
three)

K



From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 04:19:00 2003
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 04:19:00 -0000
Subject: Here we go again <sigh> ... Another HP-banning attempt
In-Reply-To: <006b01c2f7e3$7f3b8840$62a0cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <b6b3vk+d89f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" 
<rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> What annoys me about this sort of thing, is that 99.9% of the 
people wanting to ban Harry Potter haven't actually read it.  I'm a 
very devoted Christian, and I happen to also have a good concept of 
the difference in reality and fantasy.  There is a huge difference in 
real life witchcraft and fantasy stories. 


Richelle, 
I can vouch for you!
Although I was raised Catholic (which doesn't mean much these days),
some very good friends of mine are devout Christians, I believe in 
the Methodist faith, and they READ Harry Potter!!  I've had this 
discussion with my friend (our sons are best friends, and absolute 
Potter-fans) and she seems to agree that these people obviously have 
never read the books, and have truly missed the underlying message in 
HP, which we agree is 'Good overcomes Evil'.


> 
>
> If someone doesn't think their child should read Harry Potter, 
that's fine. It's their business.  There are ways around it without 
banning the books from an entire school or school system.
<snip>
 If the teacher's reading it aloud, have permission granted for the 
child to read their own book in the back of the room or out of the 
room.
> 
> Richelle


Richelle, this idea sounds all well and good, but I have to tell you 
I had visions of that California father who felt that his daughters' 
rights were being violated because the children mentioned 'God' in 
the national anthem.  Unfortunately, there's always going to be some 
person out there who will object to any kind of resolution, no matter 
how crazy they're being.  


Anna   . . . (who refuses to eat dessert unless theres chocolate in 
it)
> 
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From thalia at aokp.org  Tue Apr  1 04:42:15 2003
From: thalia at aokp.org (chanteuse thalia chaunacy)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:42:15 -0800
Subject: whoa! (aka dissent and HP)
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References: <006b01c2f7e3$7f3b8840$62a0cdd1@RVotaw> <b6b3vk+d89f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200303312042.AA42150351@aokp.org>

Anna wrote: "[when reading Richelle's email] I had visions of that 
California father who felt that his daughters' rights were being violated 
because the children mentioned 'God' in the national anthem. 
unfortunately, there's always going to be some person out there who will 
object to any kind of resolution, no matter how crazy they're being."

now, somebody going out of their way to eliminate options for other 
people (ie folks wanting to ban harry potter from libraries) is a WORLD 
AWAY from someone not being willing to declare a false belief on a daily 
basis (ie folks protesting mandatory national anthem/pledge of allegiance 
in public schools). i mean, it's all about freedom, isn't it? kids should 
be free to read what they want and believe what they want, right? (or 
parents should be free to monitor what their own kids read or what they 
believe in, depending on how you look at it.)

if i've misunderstood you, please smack me upside the head. ;)

thalia 'not trying to tread into politics, just trying to make a point' 
chaunacy

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From nobodysrib at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 05:29:13 2003
From: nobodysrib at yahoo.com (nobodysrib)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 05:29:13 -0000
Subject: whoa! (aka dissent and HP)
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200303312042.AA42150351@aokp.org>
Message-ID: <b6b839+1phs@eGroups.com>

Alex wrote: 

> My cousin won't even discuss the books with me. Her kids will read
> them in the streets, I guess. 

LOL!  Considering the state of, well, just about *everything* right 
now, I'd think children *wanting* to read would be the least of 
someone's troubles.

> Anna wrote: "[when reading Richelle's email] I had visions of that 
> California father who felt that his daughters' rights were being 
> violated because the children mentioned 'God' in the national 
> anthem. unfortunately, there's always going to be some person out 
> there who will object to any kind of resolution, no matter how 
> crazy they're being."


and chaunacy noted: 

> now, somebody going out of their way to eliminate options for other 
> people (ie folks wanting to ban harry potter from libraries) is a 
> WORLD AWAY from someone not being willing to declare a false belief 
> on a daily basis (ie folks protesting mandatory national 
> anthem/pledge of allegiance in public schools). i mean, it's all 
> about freedom, isn't it? kids should be free to read what they want 
> and believe what they want, right? (or parents should be free to 
> monitor what their own kids read or what they believe in, depending 
> on how you look at it.)

I was debating getting involved in this, but chaunacy phrased it so 
well (and so simply, too) that I had to throw in my two cents.  I see 
it as being all about two different kinds of Freedoms...  "Freedom 
To" vs. "Freedom From."  Being free *to* do something (read Harry 
Potter, for example) or Being free *from* someone doing something to 
you (being forced to declare a false belief).  (For further 
exploration, check out Margaret Atwood's _The Handmaid's Tale_).

In terms of Harry Potter, one reason of the reasons the Dursleys 
abused Harry and tried to keep him from Hogwarts was to keep their 
family free *from* magic, while Harry wished to be free *to* make 
that choice on his own.

I say, the more options we have (ahem, not banning books), the freer 
we are from others imposing their belief systems on us.  And it's not 
like any of us are forcing young kids to read HP.  Offering chapter 
one for free (to get them hooked, of course) and then charging 
exponentially increasing rates for each additional chapter...  

[apocalyptic thought: If, for some strange reason, OoP cover price 
was $100, who among us would shell out the dough?  <I tentatively 
raise my hand> $200?  <my hand's still raised...> $500...  
<embarrassingly, my hand is still raised...> Where's your limit?  
Higher?]

- Nobody's Rib (who prefers that all moral-regulatory laws are kept 
off her.  but she does obey speed limits.)




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 06:56:56 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:56:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: whoa! (aka dissent and HP)
In-Reply-To: <b6b839+1phs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030401065656.25492.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com>


If ONE more person tells me that HP is WRONG.... I will explode!!!The husband (soon-to-be-ex) thinks that I am an idiot, my cousin thinks that I am Satanic... too much for me too handle. No morals placed on me anymore. Please. 
I can see it in divorce court now. Reason? Alienation of  Affection. Cause? Harry Potter.
Alex(Will love a Malfoy if I want to) Fox
 nobodysrib <nobodysrib at yahoo.com> wrote:Alex wrote: 

> My cousin won't even discuss the books with me. Her kids will read
> them in the streets, I guess. 

LOL!  Considering the state of, well, just about *everything* right 
now, I'd think children *wanting* to read would be the least of 
someone's troubles.

> Anna wrote: "[when reading Richelle's email] I had visions of that 
> California father who felt that his daughters' rights were being 
> violated because the children mentioned 'God' in the national 
> anthem. unfortunately, there's always going to be some person out 
> there who will object to any kind of resolution, no matter how 
> crazy they're being."


and chaunacy noted: 

> now, somebody going out of their way to eliminate options for other 
> people (ie folks wanting to ban harry potter from libraries) is a 
> WORLD AWAY from someone not being willing to declare a false belief 
> on a daily basis (ie folks protesting mandatory national 
> anthem/pledge of allegiance in public schools). i mean, it's all 
> about freedom, isn't it? kids should be free to read what they want 
> and believe what they want, right? (or parents should be free to 
> monitor what their own kids read or what they believe in, depending 
> on how you look at it.)

I was debating getting involved in this, but chaunacy phrased it so 
well (and so simply, too) that I had to throw in my two cents.  I see 
it as being all about two different kinds of Freedoms...  "Freedom 
To" vs. "Freedom From."  Being free *to* do something (read Harry 
Potter, for example) or Being free *from* someone doing something to 
you (being forced to declare a false belief).  (For further 
exploration, check out Margaret Atwood's _The Handmaid's Tale_).

In terms of Harry Potter, one reason of the reasons the Dursleys 
abused Harry and tried to keep him from Hogwarts was to keep their 
family free *from* magic, while Harry wished to be free *to* make 
that choice on his own.

I say, the more options we have (ahem, not banning books), the freer 
we are from others imposing their belief systems on us.  And it's not 
like any of us are forcing young kids to read HP.  Offering chapter 
one for free (to get them hooked, of course) and then charging 
exponentially increasing rates for each additional chapter...  

[apocalyptic thought: If, for some strange reason, OoP cover price 
was $100, who among us would shell out the dough?  <I tentatively 
raise my hand> $200?  <my hand's still raised...> $500...  
<embarrassingly, my hand is still raised...> Where's your limit?  
Higher?]

- Nobody's Rib (who prefers that all moral-regulatory laws are kept 
off her.  but she does obey speed limits.)


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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Apr  1 14:32:44 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:32:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Here we go again <sigh> ... Another HP-banning attempt
Message-ID: <28310168.1049207564602.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

Anna wrote:

> Richelle, this idea sounds all well and good, but I have to tell you <BR>
> I had visions of that California father who felt that his daughters' <BR>
> rights were being violated because the children mentioned 'God' in <BR>
> the national anthem. Unfortunately, there's always going to be some <BR>
> person out there who will object to any kind of resolution, no matter <BR>
> how crazy they're being. <BR>

On the same topic, there are people, such as Jehovah's Witness, who don't 
believe in things like pledging to the flag.  We have several students like 
that in the school I teach at.  The children simply stand with the rest of the 
class, but don't recite the pledge.  I don't agree with their beliefs, but I 
don't argue with it either.  But we don't discontinue the pledge in the entire 
class because of it.  HP can work the same way, you don't believe it's 
appropriate for your child, fine.  But don't take it away from all the others 
who want to read it.

Richelle

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 16:42:41 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:42:41 -0000
Subject: whoa! (aka dissent and HP)
In-Reply-To: <b6b839+1phs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6cfi1+m1ov@eGroups.com>

> - Nobody's Rib (who prefers that all moral-regulatory laws are kept 
> off her.  but she does obey speed limits.)

That's good.  <g>  Speed limits fit the principle, "Your right to 
swing your fist ends where my nose begins."  You can drive as fast as 
you damn please--as long as other people, animals, etc. aren't 
possibly endangered.  Not the same as banning books at all.

CivilLibertarian!Amy




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 18:21:19 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:21:19 -0000
Subject: Snape's Sudden Movement (was The Gleam! Oh No!)
In-Reply-To: <b68hcj+e3ad@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6clav+9517@eGroups.com>

The Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:

> One popular theory is that Snape, hearing Harry start to name 
> names, is afraid that Harry is going to name *him* as having been 
> there (because he was).

Now me:

I'm undoubtedly digging up an old horse that's already been beaten to 
death, but since I must have missed this on the first go-round - how 
could Snape have been in the graveyard since he was at Hogwarts 
attending the Triwizard Tournament and (as Hermione repeatedly 
reminds us) you can't apparate or disapparate from the Hogwarts 
grounds?

~Phyllis




From rainbow at rainbowbrite.net  Tue Apr  1 18:42:54 2003
From: rainbow at rainbowbrite.net (Katy Cartee)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:42:54 -0500
Subject: HP4GU-Southeast-US (NC, SC and GA)
References: <b6c2ng+f445@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01cc01c2f87e$82b912d0$2302a8c0@sysonline.com>

Another regional HP4GU group has been born! This one is targeted for members who live in the Southeast United States. The states included are North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. I would've included Florida, but they've already got their own list. If Tennessee wants to be added as well, just let me know and that can be easily arranged. 

I'm in Charlotte, North Carolina myself and would love to meet other fans in my area! So if you're a fellow southerner, please stop on by :)

To join: HP4GU-Southeast-US-subscribe at yahoogroups.com

The group page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-Southeast-US/

See ya'll there! ;)

~Katy~

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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 17:22:58 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:22:58 -0000
Subject: whoa! (aka dissent and HP)
In-Reply-To: <b6cfi1+m1ov@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6chti+aq73@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> > - Nobody's Rib (who prefers that all moral-regulatory laws are 
kept 
> > off her.  but she does obey speed limits.)
> 
> That's good.  <g>  Speed limits fit the principle, "Your right to 
> swing your fist ends where my nose begins."  You can drive as fast 
as 
> you damn please--as long as other people, animals, etc. aren't 
> possibly endangered.  Not the same as banning books at all.
> 
> CivilLibertarian!Amy

Speaking as a civil libertarian who is joyously willing to say the 
Pledge of Allegiance (If you don't understand why that is, there 
isn't enough space here to address that), let me say that the 
enforced orthodoxy of making school kids say this mantra bothers me.
It should be entirely voluntary, a joyous proclamation of liberty, 
rather than its opposite.  Having said that, I don't feel that the 
Pledge should be altered because of a student's or parent's 
disagreement with the words.  They are (or should be) entirely free 
not to participate in the recitation.  The student's relations with 
other students who may feel differently is entirely among them.


And, of course, book burning is for Nazis, not Americans.
Haggridd




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 20:34:56 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:34:56 -0000
Subject: Here we go again -The Pledge
In-Reply-To: <28310168.1049207564602.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>
Message-ID: <b6ct5g+je9e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, rvotaw at i... wrote:
> Anna wrote:
> 

> 
> On the same topic, there are people, such as Jehovah's Witness, who 
> don't believe in things like pledging to the flag.  We have several 
> students like that in the school I teach at.  The children simply 
> stand with the rest of the class, but don't recite the pledge.  I 
> don't agree with their beliefs, but I don't argue with it either.  
> But we don't discontinue the pledge in the entire class because of 
> it.  HP can work the same way, you don't believe it's appropriate
> for your child, fine.  But don't take it away from all the others 
> who want to read it.
> 
> Richelle
> 

bboy_mn:

I always thought it would be a good idea for those people who didn't
like the word 'God' in the Pledge, to change it to 'good' when they
recited it.

However, our heritage is etched in stone, we could never change
anything as sacred a The Pledge of Allegiance... or could we?

The Pledge has actually been changed four times since it was
originally written (1892, 1923, 1924, & 1954).

http://www.flagday.org/Pages/StoryofPledge.html

It was originally published in the Youth's Companion for September
8,1892, and was first recited en masse Columbus Day in October 1892.

The original-
I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.



Under God -
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added
the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a
patriotic oath and a public prayer.


Final Version-
I pledge allegiance to the Flag
/of the United States(2)/ /of America(3)/
and /to(1)/ the Republic for which it stands,
one nation /under God(4)/, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all."

(1) 1892 added "to"
(2) 1923 added "of the United States"
(3) 1924 added "of America"
(4) 1954 added "under God"



Let see now, do I have a point?

I guess one point is that few things are so sacred as to be immutable
and not subject to interpretation. The one exception to that, at least
for me, would be the Bill of Rights.

As far as Harry Potter and the nut cases who are still protesting it,
I see them as opportunists. People who love nothing so much as the
sound of their own voice, and revel in the opportunity to see their
name in the paper (or on the news, etc...). 

When ever significant religion and religious leader from the
Archbishop of Canterbury to the Vatican has endorsed J.K. Rowlings
books as good and moral, there can really be no justification for
attacking these books or the values they reflect. 

More so, there is no justification for and every precedence AGAINST
allowing these people to force their values and misguided beliefs on
the rest of the world. They have every right to choose; but that right
is to choose for themselves and their families, NOT to choose for me
and my family, or my community. 

Poeple who attempt to do things like this are in violation of the very
foundation of the American way of life.

Just a few thoughts and some trivia.

bboy_mn




From john at queerasjohn.com  Tue Apr  1 21:42:16 2003
From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:42:16 +0100
Subject: Plug: The Regional Lists Page
In-Reply-To: <01cc01c2f87e$82b912d0$2302a8c0@sysonline.com>
Message-ID: <BAAFC648.B368%john@queerasjohn.com>

Hi folks!

Just a brief reminder for those of you who haven't found it yet that HPFGU
has a page with all HPFGU Regional Lists on it --

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/links/Regional_HPfGU_Lists_00099
9973547/

If there's not one in your area, why not start one yourself?

--John, of HPFGU-NewYork and HPFGU-London
______________________________________

Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com

AIM, YM & LJ @ QueerAsJohn || www.queerasjohn.com

The Bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to
heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's
just that they need more supervision.  --Lynn Lavner
______________________________________




From southernscotland at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 22:09:35 2003
From: southernscotland at yahoo.com (southernscotland)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:09:35 -0000
Subject: April Fool's Day sites
Message-ID: <b6d2mv+n4h3@eGroups.com>

Hey there! 

Kudos to all who worked on the "April Fool's Day" editions of 
FictionAlley, which now has four different looks 
(www.fictionalley.org), and the Sugar Quill, today known as Draco's 
Quill (www.sugarquill.net). They're great!

Anyone else have an HP April Fool's site out there?


lilahp (who wishes for April Fool's Day that she could age-up Daniel 
Ratcliffe and see what he is going to look like)




From Ripleywriter at aol.com  Tue Apr  1 22:07:51 2003
From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:07:51 EST
Subject: Book burning 
Message-ID: <102.2a65a02b.2bbb67b7@aol.com>


<<And, of course, book burning is for Nazis, not Americans.
Haggridd>>

Well, actually... 

I was doing research for my HP project at the Scotsman site, and I saved a 
few things for my "The Dangers of Harry Potter" article. Here's the first 
one:

"Pastor to burn Potter books

A PASTOR in New Mexico is planning a holy bonfire of Harry Potter books. 

 Jack Brock, of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, said the books 
about the fictional teenage wizard "encourage our youth to learn more about 
witches, warlocks, and sorcerers, and those things are an abomination to God 
and to me". 

Brock, 74, said: "Harry Potter books are going to destroy the lives of many 
young people."  "

(What a lunkhead...)

And then the actual fire and the protests of said fire: 
http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?id=482002&tid=3

And then the article wrapping it all up, which is very amusing to read the 
biased opinion of the reporter, "...did the silly old Pastor really think he 
was going to do anything other than provide JK Rowling and her novels with 
more publicity? What a tube. "

http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?id=23202002&tid=3

But I'm sure all this was reported at The Leaky Cauldron or somewhere at the 
time. It was news to me, though, when I came across it.

Melly 



From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Apr  1 22:58:40 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:58:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] April Fool's Day sites
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1576049045.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

: grins. 

Thanks on behalf of FA for the kudos - Ali did the amazing ComicAlley art, Priscilla and Starling tackled HomicideAlley and our lotr cover (same as last year) and Alicey did FuturisticAlley.   
The endurance prize goes to sugarquill, though, who justifiably bent the cardinal rule of april fool's day - that the prank be complete by noon. I guess it's harder to get rid of Draco than they thought - especially when he's pursuing Ginny Wealsey. Props!


Heidi Tandy
*Ask me about Nimbus - 2003*
Http://www.hp2003.org 
-----Original Message-----
From: "southernscotland" <southernscotland at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:09:35 
To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] April Fool's Day sites

Real-To:  "southernscotland" <southernscotland at yahoo.com>

Hey there! 

Kudos to all who worked on the "April Fool's Day" editions of 
FictionAlley, which now has four different looks 
(www.fictionalley.org), and the Sugar Quill, today known as Draco's 
Quill (www.sugarquill.net). They're great!

Anyone else have an HP April Fool's site out there?


lilahp (who wishes for April Fool's Day that she could age-up Daniel 
Ratcliffe and see what he is going to look like)



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From urbana at charter.net  Wed Apr  2 01:20:25 2003
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 01:20:25 -0000
Subject: April Fool's Day sites
In-Reply-To: <b6d2mv+n4h3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6ddsp+pcgu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "southernscotland" 
<southernscotland at y...> wrote:
> Hey there! 
> 
> Kudos to all who worked on the "April Fool's Day" editions of 
> FictionAlley, which now has four different looks 
> (www.fictionalley.org), and the Sugar Quill, today known as Draco's 
> Quill (www.sugarquill.net). They're great!
> 
> Anyone else have an HP April Fool's site out there?
 

Thanks for the tip, Lilahp - I had seen Draco's Quill (hysterical 
and *so* totally Draco) but I hadn't seen the four new art pieces on 
FA. I can't figure out which one I like best... though I bet Daniel 
Radcliffe would like the superheroes motif the best, because Harry 
gets to be Spidey :-)


>> lilahp (who wishes for April Fool's Day that she could age-up 
Daniel 
> Ratcliffe and see what he is going to look like)


Anne U
(who thinks there are some potential grown-up Harrys in the FILES of 
HPFGU-Movie)






From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 04:06:02 2003
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:06:02 -0000
Subject: Humongous BigFile/Inish Alley/Questions Answered
In-Reply-To: <b6b1d5+8ksj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6dnja+lc3k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" 
<dradamsapple at y...> wrote:
<Snip>
> 
> Ok, Jonathan, I'll take the bait.  What on earth does "REDHEAD 
> ALWAYS" mean? 
> 
>  You know, this makes me wonder whether there is a list out there 
of 
> the most popular theories, or rather, the most likely ones. Does 
> anyone know??  I feel like I've missed out on the important ones!
> 
> Anna . . .(who wishes there were cliff notes for HP)
> 

There are. Go to the Humongous BigFile at 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%
20Files/hbfile.html).  Or you can also go to Fantastic Posts and 
Where to Find Them at (http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq). Plus there is 
Inish Alley in the Database section of the HPFGUs Group that lists 
all the acronyms, what they mean, and when they first appeared.
Read the Bigfile- it answers most questions or can send you to where 
you can find many answers.

A Goldfeesh

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president is not 
only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable."  
  Theodore Roosevelt





From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 05:20:57 2003
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:20:57 -0000
Subject: Here we go again -The Pledge/rather long response/rant . . .
In-Reply-To: <b6ct5g+je9e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6drvp+pqcb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> 
> Richelle wrote:> 
> 
> > 
> > On the same topic, there are people, such as Jehovah's Witness, 
who 
> > don't believe in things like pledging to the flag.  We have 
several 
> > students like that in the school I teach at.  The children simply 
> > stand with the rest of the class, but don't recite the pledge.  I 
> > don't agree with their beliefs, but I don't argue with it 
either.  
> > But we don't discontinue the pledge in the entire class because 
of 
> > it.  HP can work the same way, you don't believe it's appropriate
> > for your child, fine.  But don't take it away from all the others 
> > who want to read it.
> > 
> > Richelle


Anna says;

Yes, Richelle!  I agree!! (Thalia, key phrase: "we don't discontinue 
the pledge in the entire classroom because of it.")
> > 

> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> I always thought it would be a good idea for those people who didn't
> like the word 'God' in the Pledge, to change it to 'good' when they
> recited it.
> 
> However, our heritage is etched in stone, we could never change
> anything as sacred a The Pledge of Allegiance... or could we?
> 
> The Pledge has actually been changed four times since it was
> originally written (1892, 1923, 1924, & 1954).
> 
> http://www.flagday.org/Pages/StoryofPledge.html
> 
>>>snip<<<
> 
>

Anna again;
Steve, I also feel that the phrasing should be changed.


> 
> As far as Harry Potter and the nut cases who are still protesting 
it,
> I see them as opportunists. People who love nothing so much as the
> sound of their own voice, and revel in the opportunity to see their
> name in the paper (or on the news, etc...). 
> 
> When ever significant religion and religious leader from the
> Archbishop of Canterbury to the Vatican has endorsed J.K. Rowlings
> books as good and moral, there can really be no justification for
> attacking these books or the values they reflect. 
> 
> More so, there is no justification for and every precedence AGAINST
> allowing these people to force their values and misguided beliefs on
> the rest of the world. They have every right to choose; but that 
right
> is to choose for themselves and their families, NOT to choose for me
> and my family, or my community. 
> 
> Poeple who attempt to do things like this are in violation of the 
very
> foundation of the American way of life.
> 
> bboy_mn


Go Steve!!

Yes, Richelle, and Steve, you two have put it in words so much better 
than I could have.  (And no, Thalia, I will not smack you!)

My whole point in mentioning the "California father" was that there 
are probably people "out there" who would not be satisfied with 
having their child 'sit it out', if something was said or done in the 
classroom that infringed on their beliefs (like reading HP, or 
reciting the pledge of allegience.)
(see Steve's mention of "nutcases")
  I don't remember the specifics of this case, but I believe he 
wanted the pledge of allegience banned from the school his daughter 
was attending (please correct me if I'm wrong).  Now, do his rights 
as an athiest overide mine because I want to say the pledge?  I don't 
feel that they do, but he does have a point.
Who then, decides the fate of the pledge? (er, rhetorical question?)

As Steve said, we all have the right to choose and make decisions for 
ourselves and our families (love the USA), and  yes, things like 
religion or lack there of should be taught in the home/church/place 
of worship, etc., and not in schools.
But have we gotten so politically correct that we can't even function 
in the world?   That we can't teach our children to make decisions on 
their own regarding things like religous beliefs? 
 Maybe I'm weird, but I embrace all other religions, and to that, all 
different type of people, and want my children to learn about them, 
so that they can see for themselves what this world is about. And 
from this, I expect them to make their own decisions one day 
regarding their own beliefs, either in God or the next space ship. 
(no offense to those of you who believe in space ships).  And, after 
all, isn't this what going to school all about, to learn about life 
and apply it to your own?

I hope I have clarified the meaning of my original post.
I will shut up now.

Anna . . .(who has probably never posted anything this long before, 
and whose fallen into a political hole and can't get up . . .)  8)









From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 05:28:19 2003
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:28:19 -0000
Subject: Humongous BigFile/Inish Alley/Questions Answered
In-Reply-To: <b6dnja+lc3k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6dsdj+nt0h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ameliagoldfeesh" 
<ameliagoldfeesh at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" 
> <dradamsapple at y...> wrote:
> <Snip>
> > 
> > Ok, Jonathan, I'll take the bait.  What on earth does "REDHEAD 
> > ALWAYS" mean? 
> > 
> >  You know, this makes me wonder whether there is a list out there 
> of 
> > the most popular theories, or rather, the most likely ones. Does 
> > anyone know??  I feel like I've missed out on the important ones!
> > 
> > Anna . . .(who wishes there were cliff notes for HP)
> > 
> 
> There are. Go to the Humongous BigFile at 
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%
> 20Files/hbfile.html).  Or you can also go to Fantastic Posts and 
> Where to Find Them at (http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq). Plus there is 
> Inish Alley in the Database section of the HPFGUs Group that lists 
> all the acronyms, what they mean, and when they first appeared.
> Read the Bigfile- it answers most questions or can send you to 
where 
> you can find many answers.
> 
> A Goldfeesh
> 
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president is 
not 
> only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable."  
>   Theodore Roosevelt


ameliagoldfeesh,

thanks, I could do with a little bit of lite reading about now . . .

but seriously, thanks for the help.  I knew it had to be 
somewhere . .  .

Anna . . .




From thalia at aokp.org  Wed Apr  2 06:03:16 2003
From: thalia at aokp.org (chanteuse thalia chaunacy)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:03:16 -0800
Subject: ah, semantics (more on the pledge)
In-Reply-To: <b6drvp+pqcb@eGroups.com>
References: <b6ct5g+je9e@eGroups.com> <b6drvp+pqcb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200304012203.AA03160389@aokp.org>

having not known about said case (father vs national anthem) i assumed 
his children were being forced to say 'under god' which really really 
irks me, as it does most of us. so we were saying the same thing, just 
really back-asswards of each other. ;) thank you for not smacking me. :)

read on if you want to hear me debate about the rest of it. delete if you 
don't. i'll never know. :)

(all quotes from anna)

> I also feel that the phrasing should be changed. <

which phrasing? 'god' to 'good'? or did i miss something?

> Now, do his rights as an athiest overide mine because I want to say the 
pledge? I don't feel that they do, but he does have a point. Who then, 
decides the fate of the pledge? (er, rhetorical question?)<

first off, i really don't know about him being an atheist. i'd rather 
that wasn't such a quick assumption. could be just concerned about choice 
and freedom, like the rest of us.

second, the fate of the pledge? people will always say it. the fate of 
the pledge in schools, on the other hand...ah, read on.

> As Steve said, we all have the right to choose and make decisions for
ourselves and our families (love the USA), and yes, things like religion 
or lack there of should be taught in the home/church/place of worship, 
etc., and not in schools. <

er, then the pledge really *shouldn't* say anything about god.

while i'm on it, why is it a school's function to make kids recite the 
pledge in the first place? anna's theory follows...

> But have we gotten so politically correct that we can't even function
 in the world? That we can't teach our children to make decisions on  
their own regarding things like religious beliefs?  Maybe I'm weird, but 
I embrace all other religions, and to that, all different type of people, 
and want my children to learn about them, so that they can see for 
themselves what this world is about. And from this, I expect them to make 
their own decisions one day regarding their own beliefs, either in God or 
the next space ship. (no offense to those of you who believe in space 
ships). And, after all, isn't this what going to school all about, to 
learn about life and apply it to your own? <

then, logically, kids should learn the pledge as a unit in history, and 
perhaps memorize it as homework, and say it whenever there's an proper 
opportunity. the daily group ritual sanctioned (and sometimes enforced) 
by the administration--logically--has no place in school.

please realize, folks, this is not an attack on the pledge. 

oh, and to whomever referenced the Handmaid's Tale--that book changed my 
life, hands down. i was going to mention it when i first joined this 
fray, but i didn't want to sound like a nerd. ;)

thalia 'smart is sexy' chaunacy

--
The Mistress of Mayhem
thalia at aokp.org :: juniorbug9 at hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/juniorbug9
http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=302868
Annie Wright School c/o 1998 Red Ties :: Thalian Society p/c/o 2000 
Shooting Stars :: AOKP p/c/o fall2000 Indecisive Pages :: Whittier 
College c/o 2002




From jrpessin at mail.millikin.edu  Wed Apr  2 06:04:43 2003
From: jrpessin at mail.millikin.edu (Jonathan Pessin)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:04:43 -0600
Subject: Redhead Always definition
Message-ID: <se8a298c.066@mail.millikin.edu>

I wrote:
> if you like THAT one, try on REDHEAD ALWAYS for size: it's a REALLY 
out-there Dumbledore theory that came out on the main list a couple 
of weeks ago.  I don't remember the thread numbers (anybody else?), 
but I found the idea so interesting I'm writing a fanfic about it.
> 
> [shameless plug] The first chapter's at 
http://www.thedarkarts.org/authorLinks/Hobbit_Guy/Tempus_Fugit/, if 
you want to take a look. [/shameless plug]
> 
> Hobbit_guy, who knows he's totally self-promoting, but...

Anna replied:
Ok, Jonathan, I'll take the bait.  What on earth does "REDHEAD 
ALWAYS" mean? 

 You know, this makes me wonder whether there is a list out there of 
the most popular theories, or rather, the most likely ones. Does 
anyone know??  I feel like I've missed out on the important ones!

Anna . . .(who wishes there were cliff notes for HP)

I reply:
Here you go: found it on the HP4GU site.  REDHEAD ALWAYS stands for
"Ron Equals Dumbledore: Headmaster Evades Armageddon Disguised As
Legendary Wizard And Yesterday's Savior."  To know what it MEANS, well,
you'll just have to read the pertinent posts and/or fic, won't you? ;-).
 The relevant posts were up several weeks back, and I'm notoriously bad
at remembering stuff like that.  For a list of theories and acronyms, go
to Inish Alley
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=13)
for general acronym help or Hypothetic Alley
(http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/hypotheticalley.html) for mostly Ship
acronyms on the HP4GU main board.  Happy hunting!

Hobbit_guy, who's still shamelessly promoting.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"You haven't been getting into the Gaffer's home brew again, have
you?"
"No... Well, yes, but that's beside the point."
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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 04:27:38 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:27:38 -0000
Subject: Book burning
In-Reply-To: <102.2a65a02b.2bbb67b7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b6dorq+r8b2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote:
> 
> <<And, of course, book burning is for Nazis, not Americans.
> Haggridd>>
> 
> Well, actually... 
> 
> I was doing research for my HP project at the Scotsman site, and I 
saved a 
> few things for my "The Dangers of Harry Potter" article. Here's the 
first 
> one:
> 
> "Pastor to burn Potter books
> 
> A PASTOR in New Mexico is planning a holy bonfire of Harry Potter 
books. 
> 
>  Jack Brock, of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, said the 
books 
> about the fictional teenage wizard "encourage our youth to learn 
more about 
> witches, warlocks, and sorcerers, and those things are an 
abomination to God 
> and to me". 

> Melly

Please allow me to add, "and the Inquisition" after "Nazis" in my 
sentiment expressed above.

-Haggridd




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 06:05:24 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:05:24 -0000
Subject: Here we go again -The Pledge, The Bill of Rights and interpretation
In-Reply-To: <b6ct5g+je9e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6duj4+ohkb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, rvotaw at i... wrote:
> > Anna wrote:
 
> > But we don't discontinue the pledge in the entire class because 
of 
> > it.  HP can work the same way, you don't believe it's appropriate
> > for your child, fine.  But don't take it away from all the others 
> > who want to read it.
> > 
> > Richelle
> > 
> 
> bboy_mn:
> Final Version-
> I pledge allegiance to the Flag
> /of the United States(2)/ /of America(3)/
> and /to(1)/ the Republic for which it stands,
> one nation /under God(4)/, indivisible,
> with liberty and justice for all."
> 
> (1) 1892 added "to"
> (2) 1923 added "of the United States"
> (3) 1924 added "of America"
> (4) 1954 added "under God"
> 
> 
> 
> Let see now, do I have a point?
> 
> I guess one point is that few things are so sacred as to be 
immutable
> and not subject to interpretation. The one exception to that, at 
least
> for me, would be the Bill of Rights.
> 

Interpreting the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, is 
precisely what is done by the U.S. Supreme Court every term.  It is 
how we keep the words in that document alive.  We do not merely pay 
lip-service to them.

It is just such constitutional questions as how to deal with the 
Pledge of Allegiance that is the purview of our Supreme Court.

-Haggridd
Haggridd 
> bboy_mn




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Apr  2 11:16:01 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 06:16:01 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Redhead Always definition
Message-ID: <128.26e5bda2.2bbc2071@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/2/2003 1:05:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrpessin at mail.millikin.edu writes:

> .(who wishes there were cliff notes for HP)

There are - they're called SparkNotes. I haven't seen them yet myself, but as 
I understand it, they discuss the plot, point out some of the mythology and 
literary devices, and are useful for the 9-13 crowd. 
There are also a number of other books, like Phil Nel's A Reader's Guide 
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0826452329/qid=1049282042/sr=8-

1/ref=sr_8_1/002-8024355-5710422?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) and the Lana 
Whited-edited literary analysis book 
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0826214436/qid=1049282081/sr=2-1/ref=s

r_2_1/002-8024355-5710422)  - NOTE: Both of them will be presenting at Nimbus 
- 2003 (http://www.hp2003.org - and you can still register to attend!) - 
which cover some of the "cliff notes-ish" sides of things. 

Highly recommended!

heidi


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From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 15:38:17 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:38:17 -0000
Subject: April Fool's Day sites
Message-ID: <b6f059+a6qk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidit at n...> 
wrote:
> : grins. 
> 
> Thanks on behalf of FA for the kudos - Ali did the amazing 
ComicAlley art, Priscilla and Starling tackled HomicideAlley and our 
lotr cover (same as last year) and Alicey did FuturisticAlley.   

Any chance that the graphics could be posted somewhere for those of 
us who didn't visit the site yesterday to see?

Abigail
Who spent a sizable portion of yesterday manning a voting station in 
her city's municipal elections, and then stayed up till 1 AM 
counting the votes.  If only I could discount the results as an 
April Fool's Day joke...




From simon.hp at virgin.net  Wed Apr  2 17:26:38 2003
From: simon.hp at virgin.net (Simon Branford)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:26:38 -0000
Subject: April Fool's Day sites
In-Reply-To: <b6f059+a6qk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6f6ge+9pjn@eGroups.com>

Abigail:
> Heidi:
> > Thanks on behalf of FA for the kudos - Ali did the amazing 
> > ComicAlley art, Priscilla and Starling tackled HomicideAlley and 
> >our 
> lotr cover (same as last year) and Alicey did FuturisticAlley.   
> 
> Any chance that the graphics could be posted somewhere for those of 
> us who didn't visit the site yesterday to see?


Yesterday's FA front page is at 
http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/2003.html

Refreshing the page several times will get the four different cover 
images.


Simon




From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 22:00:14 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:00:14 -0000
Subject: April Fool's Day sites
In-Reply-To: <b6f6ge+9pjn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6fmhe+1dc3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Simon Branford" <simon.hp at v...> wrote:
> Abigail:
> > Heidi:
> > > Thanks on behalf of FA for the kudos - Ali did the amazing 
> > > ComicAlley art, Priscilla and Starling tackled HomicideAlley and 
> > >our 
> > lotr cover (same as last year) and Alicey did FuturisticAlley.   
> > 
> > Any chance that the graphics could be posted somewhere for those of 
> > us who didn't visit the site yesterday to see?
> 
> 
> Yesterday's FA front page is at 
> http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/2003.html

Thanks, Simon, and well done to all the artists!

Abigail




From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 22:12:27 2003
From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Sager)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:12:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 984
In-Reply-To: <1049316399.914.50180.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030402221227.59893.qmail@web40015.mail.yahoo.com>

>>There are - they're called SparkNotes. I haven't
seen them yet myself, 
but as 
I understand it, they discuss the plot, point out some
of the mythology 
and 
literary devices, and are useful for the 9-13 crowd.<<

If you go to Sparknotes.com, you can access for all
four books. You have to register to see more than a
few pages, but its free and there isn't any spam.

Liz

=====
"I am Lily Withypoll of the Great Smials." She paused, ready to start her family tree, but instead smiled, and wrote firmly, "My uncle is Paladin Took, who makes me keep my promises. My teacher is Frodo Baggins, who makes me think. And my best friend is my cousin Peregrin Took, who makes me laugh." -- "The Girl Who Flew Straight" by FernWithy
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From smotgreg at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  2 23:41:05 2003
From: smotgreg at hotmail.com (Greg Johnson)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:41:05 -0800
Subject: Why I like Harry
Message-ID: <F31oHZgzDgtZKpjE5aH00024163@hotmail.com>

>Anna . . .(who has probably never posted anything this long before,
>and whose fallen into a political hole and can't get up . . .)  8)

Been there, done that and will not enter this fray.

On a different note, an article in our daily paper praised HP for turning 
young kids (middle school) on to chess. The chess coach said that HP has 
helped make chess seem cool and more kids were showing interest in the after 
school club.

And that got me thinking about what a positive role model Harry is for boys. 
He was the little geeky kid in glasses who always gets picked on, was 
probably the main target for dodge ball, and yet got pretty decent marks. 
Now, he has discovered an inborn talent, a gift of birth, and has grown in 
so many ways. He's not the popular kid, and certainly doesn't hang around 
the popular crowd. And JKR has allowed him to be so wonderfully boyish 
without being crude like I see so many young boys portrayed. What is nice, 
too, is that Harry has always been Harry. He doesn't conform to what is 
expected (be "normal" like the Dursleys), doesn't change his friends to be 
"popular" (I assume Draco is pretty popoular - why I don't know. He just 
reminds me of someone I knew in high school, I think. Always better than 
everyone else, so everyone else wanted to be with him - wierd). Harry just 
keeps plugging away at becoming Harry - loyal, brave, average student, quick 
at a game that relies more on brain then brawn. His mother would be proud.

Stacie (who wouldn't mind if her Nick turned out a bit like Harry, and who 
worries about society not letting him be the boy he is meant to be)



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From smotgreg at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  2 23:41:05 2003
From: smotgreg at hotmail.com (Greg Johnson)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:41:05 -0800
Subject: Why I like Harry
Message-ID: <F53jsX3Ra5cNtukGYk500024149@hotmail.com>

>Anna . . .(who has probably never posted anything this long before,
>and whose fallen into a political hole and can't get up . . .)  8)

Been there, done that and will not enter this fray.

On a different note, an article in our daily paper praised HP for turning 
young kids (middle school) on to chess. The chess coach said that HP has 
helped make chess seem cool and more kids were showing interest in the after 
school club.

And that got me thinking about what a positive role model Harry is for boys. 
He was the little geeky kid in glasses who always gets picked on, was 
probably the main target for dodge ball, and yet got pretty decent marks. 
Now, he has discovered an inborn talent, a gift of birth, and has grown in 
so many ways. He's not the popular kid, and certainly doesn't hang around 
the popular crowd. And JKR has allowed him to be so wonderfully boyish 
without being crude like I see so many young boys portrayed. What is nice, 
too, is that Harry has always been Harry. He doesn't conform to what is 
expected (be "normal" like the Dursleys), doesn't change his friends to be 
"popular" (I assume Draco is pretty popoular - why I don't know. He just 
reminds me of someone I knew in high school, I think. Always better than 
everyone else, so everyone else wanted to be with him - wierd). Harry just 
keeps plugging away at becoming Harry - loyal, brave, average student, quick 
at a game that relies more on brain then brawn. His mother would be proud.

Stacie (who wouldn't mind if her Nick turned out a bit like Harry, and who 
worries about society not letting him be the boy he is meant to be)



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From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 04:29:14 2003
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 04:29:14 -0000
Subject: ah, semantics (more on the pledge)
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200304012203.AA03160389@aokp.org>
Message-ID: <b6gdaq+gga5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chanteuse thalia chaunacy" 
<thalia at a...> wrote:
> having not known about said case (father vs national anthem) i 
assumed 
> his children were being forced to say 'under god' which really 
really 
> irks me, as it does most of us. so we were saying the same thing, 
just 
> really back-asswards of each other. ;) thank you for not smacking 
me. :)
> 
> 
> (all quotes from anna)
> 
> > I also feel that the phrasing should be changed. <


thalia asks,
> which phrasing? 'god' to 'good'? or did i miss something?



Anna responds,
Well, since Steve showed us that the Pledge has been changed already 
more that once through out its history, why not change it back  to 
its original state, thus, leaving out "under God"?  It's one 
suggestion anyway.



> > Now, do his rights as an athiest overide mine because I want to 
say the 
> pledge? I don't feel that they do, but he does have a point.



thalia asks,
> first off, i really don't know about him being an atheist. i'd 
rather 
> that wasn't such a quick assumption. could be just concerned about 
choice 
> and freedom, like the rest of us.
> 
>
thalia, 
I found this on cnn.com.  Perhaps it will answer your question about 
the man who started the debate;

www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/27/pledg.allegiance/

I hope this is the correct address; just scroll down a bit and it 
mentions the "California father", as I have been calling him.


Anna . . .




From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 04:35:09 2003
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 04:35:09 -0000
Subject: ah, semantics (more on the pledge)
In-Reply-To: <b6gdaq+gga5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6gdlt+ko2o@eGroups.com>


, 
> I found this on cnn.com.  Perhaps it will answer your question 
about 
> the man who started the debate;
> 
> www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/27/pledg.allegiance/
> 
> I hope this is the correct address; just scroll down a bit and it 
> mentions the "California father", as I have been calling him.
> 
> 
> Anna . . .


or, you can try this and hopefully this may work (I told you guys I'm 
computer illiterate!)

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/27/pledge.allegiance/

Anna . . .(again)




From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Apr  3 04:43:32 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:43:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ah, semantics (more on the pledge)
References: <b6gdaq+gga5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3E8BBBF4.000001.61893@monica>

 

thalia asks,
> which phrasing? 'god' to 'good'? or did i miss something?
 
 
 
Anna responds,
Well, since Steve showed us that the Pledge has been changed already 
more that once through out its history, why not change it back  to 
its original state, thus, leaving out "under God"?  It's one 
suggestion anyway.
 

Kathryn -

The BBC did a story a while back that the Supreme Court (or possibly a lower
court but I think it was the Supreme Court) had ruled that the 
Pledge was now unconstitutional (because of the 'under God').

Did anything ever come of this? is the government appealing? or what?

I remember the story because I thought it was funny (don't take that the
wrong way I lmao when UK courts rule against our government too)

And on a totally different note - there was a question on University
Challenge on Monday (too early for April Fools or I'd have been suspicious)
about some governor of Texas making a statement against teaching in
languages other than English with the quote "English was good enough for
Jesus so it should be good enough for the children of Texas". Was the guy
actually serious about this? I know there are some Texans out there so I
hope one of you knows. (and if so does this mean there's going to be a
bright future for teachers who happen to be fluent in Aramaic <g>)

Really there should be some kind of basic intelligence test for politicians
of all nationalities - a line below which it can be decreed that you're too
dumb to be allowed any kind of power. *sheesh*

K



From Ripleywriter at aol.com  Thu Apr  3 06:20:20 2003
From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:20:20 EST
Subject: A few desperate J.K./HP questions for the know-it-alls! 
Message-ID: <195.1834d22f.2bbd2ca4@aol.com>


Any help at all is appreciated! 

1. To your knowledge, has J.K. appeared on the cover of any magazines aside 
from Reader's Digest? I've only been able to find that.

2. Does anyone know where I might find a downloadable video of J.K. in an 
interview? I found some audio streams at the archive of her interviews, but 
no videos. 

Oh, and I have met up with many conflicting statistical numbers concerning 
the number of books sold worldwide, and the number of books actually in print 
(books being *just* the HP series), etc. As well as the number of OotP books 
that are being printed... *sigh* Anybody know where I might find a fact sheet 
or something of the like that lays this all out neatly? 

...And a word on those audio interviews. The Connection interview. My God, 
that interviewer is such a bonehead. Poor Joanne. Oh, and the Diane Rehm 
show. I wouldn't say the woman is a bonehead, but it's as if she has a bone 
lodged *in* her head and it slows her ability for proper speech. Poor Joanne. 
I hope she has met *some* engaging interviewers in what must be a great many 
interviews...She handles it with grace, though, great lady. 

Melly




From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Apr  3 18:45:20 2003
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:45:20 -0000
Subject: Nimbus - 2003: HP4GU Fundraiser
Message-ID: <b6hvg0+4304@eGroups.com>

Hi all --

Over the last four years, HP4GU has been the best online source for
in-depth, mature discussion of all things Potter. The list has
burgeoned to 6,300 members, more than twelve sister and regional
lists, and the finest collection of Fantastic Posts essays about HP
that one can locate on the web. Regional meetings are no longer so
regional. In New York City, Chicago, London, Germany and all over the
world in fact, we have met, sometimes in handfuls, sometimes in large
numbers.

And now, this summer, Harry Potter fans take the next step. More than
400 fans will converge on Orlando, Florida, to create the single
largest gathering yet, at the *first ever* symposium centered solely
on Harry Potter. But you know all this - or you do if you've been
around lately. What you might not know is that Nimbus - 2003 needs
HP4GU's help. And HP4GU needs your help.  This vitally important first
year's symposium - and therefore future symposia - depends on your
support.

Many people have said things like, "Well, I can't afford Nimbus this
year, so I'll wait for next year."  We certainly understand if you
can't attend this year.  But, if you can't go this time, there's an
easy way you can help ensure that there is a next time.

When the Nimbus - 2003 team formed in June of 2002, they envisioned
an event that would set the tone. They saw the groundwork for future
events, perhaps even eventually large enough to rent our own castle in
Scotland for a long week-end. If event after event can prove our
sincerity and our integrity, then perhaps we will win the respect of
WB, JKR's agents, and even JKR herself. We could position this chain
of symposia to become the official convention for adults, and possibly
even become the preferred symposium for pursuit of the books. But
without fan support, none of that can happen.

Corporate sponsorship, which the event's organizers believed would
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Even corporations with significant ties to HP merchandise have been
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Despite their hope that they would be able to supplement registrations
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Since Nimbus is the event that HP4GU inspired, they have turned to us,
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Nimbus offers Symposium Sponsorhip at the level of $15,000 (USD). That
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This sponsorship would pay for:

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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 19:43:45 2003
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:43:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A few desperate J.K./HP questions for the know-it-alls!
In-Reply-To: <195.1834d22f.2bbd2ca4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030403194345.43317.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com>


Well, I believe that she was on the cover of people, when the whole Harry phenomena was just taking off. I remember her in a gothic type dress, holding a skull. The other things I'm not sure of.
 
Laila
 
 
 Ripleywriter at aol.com wrote:
Any help at all is appreciated! 

1. To your knowledge, has J.K. appeared on the cover of any magazines aside 
from Reader's Digest? I've only been able to find that.

2. Does anyone know where I might find a downloadable video of J.K. in an 
interview? I found some audio streams at the archive of her interviews, but 
no videos. 

Oh, and I have met up with many conflicting statistical numbers concerning 
the number of books sold worldwide, and the number of books actually in print 
(books being *just* the HP series), etc. As well as the number of OotP books 
that are being printed... *sigh* Anybody know where I might find a fact sheet 
or something of the like that lays this all out neatly? 

...And a word on those audio interviews. The Connection interview. My God, 
that interviewer is such a bonehead. Poor Joanne. Oh, and the Diane Rehm 
show. I wouldn't say the woman is a bonehead, but it's as if she has a bone 
lodged *in* her head and it slows her ability for proper speech. Poor Joanne. 
I hope she has met *some* engaging interviewers in what must be a great many 
interviews...She handles it with grace, though, great lady. 

Melly


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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 19:51:26 2003
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:51:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: April Fool's Day sites
In-Reply-To: <b6fmhe+1dc3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030403195126.78139.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>


 
I know it's late, but for some reason, the Comic Alley will not load when I refresh. Can someone, anyone send it to me?
 
Laila
 
> > > Thanks on behalf of FA for the kudos - Ali did the amazing 
> > > ComicAlley art, > Yesterday's FA front page is at 
> http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/2003.html






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From wedgeaholic at icqmail.com  Thu Apr  3 23:07:50 2003
From: wedgeaholic at icqmail.com (cathubodva_raven)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:07:50 -0000
Subject: Plug: The Regional Lists Page
In-Reply-To: <BAAFC648.B368%john@queerasjohn.com>
Message-ID: <b6ies6+mf55@eGroups.com>

I'd like to add that we have a *fantastic* time at HP4GU-Australia.  

You may think that the regional lists consist solely of "Hi, I'm in 
Melbourne" and "Really?  I'm in Sydney."  But this is not the case.

If you want to stop by http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-Australia/
You'll be able to contribute to our discussions on whether Ron will 
ever come clean about his feelings for Aragog, and read "The Artist's 
Impresson of Snape as a Beatnick".

Well, we enjoy it anyway.  :-)

Cathubodva
(who wishes that Australians were a little less lurky.)

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Queer as John <john at q...> 
wrote:
> Hi folks!
> 
> Just a brief reminder for those of you who haven't found it yet 
>that HPFGU has a page with all HPFGU Regional Lists on it --
> 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/links/Regional_HPfGU_Lists
>_00099 9973547/
> 
> If there's not one in your area, why not start one yourself?
> 
> --John, of HPFGU-NewYork and HPFGU-London





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Apr  3 23:10:05 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:10:05 -0000
Subject: To the Long-Time Listees
In-Reply-To: <b63asd+abd5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6if0d+vho7@eGroups.com>

annemehr wrote:

> As a relatively new listee (joined September '02), I can't help 
> wondering how you older listees see the main HP list these days.  
 
> Do you guys see much at all that you haven't seen 100 times 
before?  

I think I still see new stuff.  I felt the philosohpy thread a few 
weeks back explored ground I hadn't seen discussed before, e.g.  I 
joined in April 2001, and followed the list pretty exhaustively for 
nearly a year.  I don't have time to read everything but still skim 
for interesting subjects.

I agree with the person who said that the flavour of the list has 
changed over time.  I think that's partly because of the existence 
of *this* list, which over time has become the place for stuff which 
is Harry Potter related but not 'making a canon point'.

David




From simon.hp at virgin.net  Thu Apr  3 23:46:12 2003
From: simon.hp at virgin.net (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:46:12 -0000
Subject: April Fool's Day sites
In-Reply-To: <20030403195126.78139.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6ih44+ng2f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, golden faile 
<golden_faile at y...> wrote:
> 
>  
> I know it's late, but for some reason, the Comic Alley will not 
> load when I refresh. Can someone, anyone send it to me?
>  
> Laila
>  
> > > > Thanks on behalf of FA for the kudos - Ali did the amazing 
> > > > ComicAlley art, > Yesterday's FA front page is at 
> > http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/2003.html

http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/fool233p.jpg
http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/matrix.jpg
http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/chicago.jpg
http://www.fictionalley.org/aprilfools/marvel.jpg


Seemingly the ComicAlley image had become corrupted. This problem has 
been fixed.


Simon




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 00:25:17 2003
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:25:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: April Fool's Day sites
In-Reply-To: <b6ih44+ng2f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030404002517.18145.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>


Thank you Simon! I really appreciate this, seeing how I seem to have missed it to begin with. I saw the Sugarquill one, but it never dawned on me that it was for April Fools Day( I just thought that someone was bored). If I would have thought, I probably would have visited all of my favorite sites to see what was happening. Anyway, enough of my babbling. Thanks again.
 
Laila
 
 Simon Branford <simon.hp at virgin.net> wrote:Seemingly the ComicAlley image had become corrupted. This problem has 
been fixed.


Simon


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From jmmears at comcast.net  Fri Apr  4 01:00:08 2003
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:00:08 -0000
Subject: A few desperate J.K./HP questions for the know-it-alls!
In-Reply-To: <195.1834d22f.2bbd2ca4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b6ileo+f7ip@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote:
<snip> 
 
 Oh, and the Diane Rehm 
> show. I wouldn't say the woman is a bonehead, but it's as if she 
has a bone 
> lodged *in* her head and it slows her ability for proper speech. 
Poor Joanne. 
> I hope she has met *some* engaging interviewers in what must be a 
great many 
> interviews...She handles it with grace, though, great lady. 


Actually,  Diane Rehm is a highly respected interviewer who has been 
on the air since 1979 and her show has gotten consistently high 
ratings on NPR for a long time.  She began to suffer from a 
neurological disorder called spasmodic dysphoria in the 90's.  It's 
a rare condition that affects the voice and because she receives 
treatment at Johns Hopkins every three weeks, she has been able to 
continue her career, albeit somewhat impared.

I'm sure you didn't mean to be unkind in your remarks, but I thought 
that you ought to know the story behind the speech impairment.

Jo Serenadust, who thinks that Diane Rehm also handles herself with 
grace and is a great lady.




From Ripleywriter at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 02:40:38 2003
From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:40:38 EST
Subject: Diane Rehm: My sincere apologies to the list
Message-ID: <18a.17f426f3.2bbe4aa6@aol.com>

(I realise this should probably be sent off list to the person I actually 
*know* I offended, but j/i/c I do think I owe everybody who read my post an 
apology) 

jmmears at comcast.net:
<<I'm sure you didn't mean to be unkind in your remarks, but I thought 
that you ought to know the story behind the speech impairment.>>

Oh, wow. Eep, I'm really very sorry. She didn't sound ill, just very 
slow-speaking, like she drank tea with her pinky finger sticking out and wore 
too-big glasses and a white wig and a flowered dress. Thats who I pictured 
while listening to the interview. 

I actually did mean to be unkind based on what I heard--I was in quite a 
snippy mood after hearing poor Joanne repeat her answers to the same dull 
questions over and over, interview after interview. I should not have said 
what I said, though. I was probably quick to talk about that Connection guy, 
too. Now somebody's going to tell me he's dying of brain cancer and I'll have 
to beat my head on my desk top. 

It's good for Rehm that she's able to carry on her career with her illness. I 
respect some of the questions she asked and her apparent enthusiasm for the 
books. 

I apologize deeply for my rude comments, I had no idea. 

Melly...who feels like a rotten scroungy something that should be kicked 
repeatedly in the face...




From renitentraven at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  4 03:32:42 2003
From: renitentraven at hotmail.com (Lisa Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 03:32:42 -0000
Subject: Plug: The Regional Lists Page
In-Reply-To: <b6ies6+mf55@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6iucq+2l8j@eGroups.com>

Sadly not to many regional meetings have been organised as of yet. :(

I think Australian HPfGU should try to get together around July'ish 
and have our own very smallish "We're with you in spirit" gathering, 
as Nimbus is a little more than a cross contry drive for anyone down 
here.

And while the Aragog/Ron ship is an intriguing and valid one, 
somebody (*cough* Cathubodva *cough*) still hasn't presented all 
viable arguments *on* the site.

So somebody else's sequel to Snape the Beatnick will not get posted 
till it does.

Lisa
Proud flag waving member of HPfGU Australia; Home of the Snape 
Smartie - Lupin Liquorice allsort Online War; The Ron/Aragog Ship; 
Anti Lollipops Drive and "Why am I too broke to go to Nimbus" 
community wail. 




From jeziguh at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  4 04:08:31 2003
From: jeziguh at earthlink.net (jeziguh)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:08:31 -0000
Subject: A few desperate J.K./HP questions for the know-it-alls!
In-Reply-To: <195.1834d22f.2bbd2ca4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b6j0fv+jug5@eGroups.com>

Melly wrote:

> Oh, and I have met up with many conflicting statistical numbers 
> concerning the number of books sold worldwide, and the number of 
> books actually in print (books being *just* the HP series), etc. As 
> well as the number of OotP books that are being printed... *sigh* 
> Anybody know where I might find a fact sheet 
> or something of the like that lays this all out neatly? 

I had to search out this information for the honors thesis that I am 
writing on HP (soooo glad I get to write on these books).

Here's what I found: According to the Bloomsbury site, "As of the end 
of February 2003, the Harry Potter books have sold over 195 million 
copies world wide."
http://www.bloomsburymagazine.com/harrypotter/muggles_index.html
(Last paragraph)

The Scholastic site says, "'Harry Potter and the Order of the 
Phoenix' will have a first printing of 6. 8 million copies, an all-
time United States publishing record."  So, that's just the US 
publishing number.  If you check around the Bloomsbury site, they 
might say how many UK copies will be printed.
http://www.scholastic.com/aboutscholastic/news/press02112003b.htm

Hope that helps!
jeziguh  





From wedgeaholic at icqmail.com  Fri Apr  4 04:21:20 2003
From: wedgeaholic at icqmail.com (cathubodva_raven)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:21:20 -0000
Subject: Plug: The Regional Lists Page
In-Reply-To: <b6iucq+2l8j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6j180+7p6j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Armstrong" 
<renitentraven at h...> wrote:



>And while the Aragog/Ron ship is an intriguing and valid one, 
>somebody (*cough* Cathubodva *cough*) still hasn't presented all 
>viable arguments *on* the site.

As God is my witness, I *will* post the argument (and supporting 
canon) for R/A on HP4GU-Aus this weekend! :-)

>So somebody else's sequel to Snape the Beatnick will not get posted 
>till it does.

And I'll expect a maximum 48 hour turnaround from the time I post the 
R/A ship to the time I receive Snape the Beatnick Part II.  :-D

> Lisa
>Proud flag waving member of HPfGU Australia; Home of the Snape 
>Smartie - Lupin Liquorice allsort Online War; The Ron/Aragog Ship; 
>Anti Lollipops Drive and "Why am I too broke to go to Nimbus" 
>community wail.

Kudos to Lisa, who always manages to make things sound much more 
interesting.

Cathubodva
(who thinks that having a 'phantom Nimbus experience' would be very 
nice)




From ewe2 at can.org.au  Fri Apr  4 05:18:22 2003
From: ewe2 at can.org.au (Sean Dwyer)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 05:18:22 -0000
Subject: HP4GU-Australia: Buy It Now
Message-ID: <b6j4iu+sp50@eGroups.com>

You should, we're very tasty and come in all flavours and colors. I'm
male-shaped and opinionated, but sadly find the Pacific a bit of a
swim, so I'll probably take up the
wise advice of Fragglicious Lisa and Her Grovelling Snapeness
Cathubodva, and hope that Nimbus Downunder is held in Melbourne. May
I respectfully finish by noting once again what a jolly good crew the
HP4GU-Aus list is, and how absolutely topping it would be if more
than three people posted at the same time. We recently broke the
record for most posts in one day, and I made two new theories, mostly
about how nice it would be if wizards and muggles could get along,
and the fact that Hermionie is A Real Person (HARP).
Looking forward to your agonising screams in reply,
Sir Sean the Horrifically Penniless (and his 43 children)




From kristilynn5 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 06:02:09 2003
From: kristilynn5 at yahoo.com (Kristi Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:02:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Harry's sweets
Message-ID: <20030404060209.76345.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello to all.  I am climbing out of lurkdom to share my excitement about finding Honeyduke's Best Chocolate, Fizzing Whizbees, Sherbet Lemons, Chocolate Frogs, and of course, Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans today in downtown Salt Lake City.  The local London Market had loads of really cool British candies, not to mention all the cool HP stuff.  I had a ball looking at everything from Turkish Delight to pork chipolatas.  Everything was yummy, but the Fizzing Whizbees are my favorite.  Okay, now please forgive me for being a dork!

Kristi, who is slowly coming down from her sugar high. :)



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From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 06:05:33 2003
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:05:33 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry's sweets
Message-ID: <e.2ed883ba.2bbe7aad@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/4/2003 1:03:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
kristilynn5 at yahoo.com writes:


> Hello to all.  I am climbing out of lurkdom to share my excitement about 
> finding Honeyduke's Best Chocolate, Fizzing Whizbees, Sherbet Lemons, 
> Chocolate Frogs, and of course, Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans today in 
> downtown Salt Lake City.  The local London Market had loads of really cool 
> British candies, not to mention all the cool HP stuff.  I had a ball 
> looking at everything from Turkish Delight to pork chipolatas.  Everything 
> was yummy, but the Fizzing Whizbees are my favorite.  Okay, now please 
> forgive me for being a dork!

*sighs* I've yet to find Fizzing Whizbees, Shermbet Lemons, or HBC. 
heh-perhaps I'll come across some when I go to England next year ^_~ 


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From heidit at netbox.com  Fri Apr  4 06:07:51 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:07:51 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry's sweets
Message-ID: <6a.2f861a9d.2bbe7b37@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/4/2003 1:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
kristilynn5 at yahoo.com writes:

> Everything was yummy, but the Fizzing Whizbees are my favorite.  Okay, now 
> please forgive me for being a dork!

Totally! I love Fizzing Whizbees - they're hard candies filled with flavoured 
sugar for us Muggles - so I have to respect anyone who considers them a 
favourite. 

They're actually really clever - and the fact htat they totally change the 
colour of your mouth is a real benefit!

And Kristi - could you zap me the name/phone number of that shoppe? We don't 
have anyone selling such things in South Florida and mail order within the 
states is my only hope!


Heidi


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From Zephyrjaid at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 08:30:50 2003
From: Zephyrjaid at aol.com (zephyrjaid7)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:30:50 -0000
Subject: Harry's sweets
In-Reply-To: <20030404060209.76345.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6jfrq+71sh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kristi Smith 
<kristilynn5 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello to all.  I am climbing out of lurkdom to share my excitement 
about finding Honeyduke's Best Chocolate, Fizzing Whizbees, Sherbet 
Lemons, Chocolate Frogs, and of course, Bertie Bott's Every Flavour 
Beans today in downtown Salt Lake City.  The local London Market had 
loads of really cool British candies, not to mention all the cool HP 
stuff.  I had a ball looking at everything from Turkish Delight to 
pork chipolatas.  Everything was yummy, but the Fizzing Whizbees are 
my favorite.  Okay, now please forgive me for being a dork!
> 
> Kristi, who is slowly coming down from her sugar high. :)
> 

You lucky, lucky girl. I'm planning an OoTP release celebration for 
my friends and I've been searching all over for HP sweets (to keep us 
awake, of course!). So far Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Beans are the 
only sweets I could find. I was considering buying a bunch 
of 'Muggle' candy and wrapping in colored cellophane with little 
parchment tags labelling which they were supposed to be, but if all 
that is available, I think I should continue my search. Do you mind 
giving me a contact address for the place you found the sweets at? 
Like Heidi said...I think I might have to resort to mail order. 

Zeph  




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 09:08:28 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:08:28 -0000
Subject: Harry's sweets - source of Brit Candy
In-Reply-To: <b6jfrq+71sh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6ji2c+3cd6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zephyrjaid7"
<Zephyrjaid at a...> wrote:
> 
> ... I'm planning an OoTP release celebration ... and I've been 
> searching all over for HP sweets. ...edited... Do you mind 
> giving me a contact address for the place you found the sweets at? 
> Like Heidi said...I think I might have to resort to mail order. 
> 
> Zeph


bboy_mn:

There are tons of places in the US that specialize in British Food.
Here is a link to a place that has Chocolate Frogs, Every Flavored
Beans, and Honeydukes Chocolate.

http://www.britishdelights.com/candy_misc.htm

They are located in Massachussetts, but they only take payment by
PayPal which is a really good way to email money to people. Very safe.
PayPal is owned by EBay.

Here is a place in the UK that has every imaginable sweet except the
HP sweets, including Sugar Mice, other types of candy mice, Acid Pops
(which are not lollies), Frying Pan Lollies, Gunpowder Sherbert, Space
Dust, Sweet Tobacco (coconut), Peppermint Humbugs, Flying Saucers
(wafer coated sherbert), Strawberry and Cream Skullcrushers, etc...

http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/acatalog/Candy.html

I found hundred of places in the US that specialize in British Food
just by searching Google for 'British Food Shop'. 

Sadly, most of them just sell the common candies like Cadbury,
Rountree, Barratt's, etc...


Here is a place in Maine where you can get a pound of Black Magic for
$18.00, although I have absolutely no idea what it is (no photo).

http://www.britishgoods.com/Sweets.htm

Here is a link to a list of sources of British Product in the USA.
Note that they are source available to us in the USA, they aren't
necessarily all located in the USA. That's where I found the link to
'A Quarter Of' (listed above) with all the candy.

http://www.britsinthestates.com/Food.htm

This list link is in two section this is the link to 'Food A-D'. You
will find another link at the top for 'Food E-Z' and at the bottom you
will find a link to a Brit Webring.

There seem to be shops all over the US. I saw Brit shops in Calif,
Missouri, Florida, Texas, and New England (NY, ME, MA). Sadly, I can't
find any in Minnesota. Personally, I'm looking for sources of British
Ginger Beer. The place in Mass. has Idris and Fentimen's. I want to
try the Fentimen's but it's $2.25/ Bottle and it's not cheap to ship.

Just thought I would pass that along.

bboy_mn








From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 09:29:17 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:29:17 -0000
Subject: Harry's sweets - Black Magic
In-Reply-To: <b6ji2c+3cd6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6jj9d+p5o0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
Black Magic is Chocolate made by Nestle.

Nestle Black Magic Chocolates, 454g box assorted chocolates, $17.95 


At the bottom of this page, you will find some special HP Easter Candy.

http://www.britishdelights.com/easter_2003.htm

 
Just thought I would pass that along.
 
bboy_mn




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 13:30:38 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:30:38 -0000
Subject: Nomination Ballot:  Pickled  Toadies
Message-ID: <b6k1du+s9oh@eGroups.com>

I didn't realize how hard this would be until I sat down to try to 
fill out this ballot.  I couldn't complete it in one go.

1. Best Filk from a musical (best showtune). 
Winner:  "Height Three Foot Ten" by CMC
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/newfilks.htm#Height_Three_Foot_Ten

Runner-up: "Keeper of the House" by Lisa I.
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/faculty/filch.htm#Keeper_of_the_House

2. Best filk from a movie or television show 
soundtrack. 

Winner:  "Talk to the Basilisks" by CMC
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/students/harry.htm#Talk_to_the_Basilisks


3. Best filk of a "Tin Pan Alley" song. 

Winner: "That's why Ol' Snapey is a Vamp" by Pippin
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/faculty/snape.htm#That's_Why_Ol'_Snapey_
is_a_Vamp

Runner-up:  "Me and My Dad's Cloak" by Judy Nathanson
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/students/harry.htm#Me_And_My_Dad's_Cloak

4. Best filk of a Gilbert & Sullivan song.
 
Winner:  "A Sorting Song By Severus" by Textual Sphinx
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/newfilks.htm#Severus'_Sorting_Songs

Runner-up: "Three Profs from Hogwarts School are We"
by Eloise
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/faculty/dada.htm#Three_Profs_from_Hogwar
ts_School_are_We

5. Best filk of a Beatles, song or of a later song by 
any of the individual Beatles. 

Winner:  "Riddle's Giant Basilisk" by Pippin
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/secrets.htm#Riddle's_Giant_Basilisk


Runner-up:  "Potter's Fame" by Gryffleraverin
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/students/harry.htm#Potter's_Fame


6. Best filk of a Rock & Roll song written prior to 
1980. 

Winner:  "Unregistered Animagi" by Marina Floyr
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/azkaban.htm#Unregistered_Animagi

Runner-up: "Mr. Black, You Made a Fine Marauder" by Tann
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/students/marauders.htm#Mr._Black,_You_Ma
de_a_Fine_Marauder

7. Best filk of a Rock & Roll song written in 1980 or 
later.
 
Winner:  "Jump This Way" by Amber
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/gofire.htm#Jump_This_Way

8. Best filk of a Disney song.
 
Winner:  "You Ain't Never Met a Fiend Like Me" by Gryffleraverin
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/gofire.htm#You_Ain't_Never_Met_a_Fiend_L
ike_Me


9. Best filk of a Tom Lehrer song.

Winner: "Igor Karkaroff" by Gail Bohacek
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/places/durmstrang.htm

Runner-up:  "The Sphinx" by CMC
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/gofire.htm#The_Sphinx

10. Best filk of a Christmas Carol (etc.). 

Winner:  "Lockhart the Dark Arts Teacher" by Gail Bohacek
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/faculty/lockhart.htm#Lockhart_the_Dark_A
rts_Teacher

11. Best filk of a tune not known to the listener. 

Winner: "Werewolf of Hogwarts" by Polish Girl
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/faculty/lupin.htm#Werewolf_of_Hogwarts

12. Most favorite filk as nominated by its author. 

Winner: "Transfiguration" by Haggridd.  I am particularly fond of 
this filk because it had both the problems of a patter song, with the 
necessity of matching the original author's cadence of words, and a 
traditional song, with rhyme scheme, meter, etc.  I think that I 
succeeded in capturing some of the exact flavor of the same jokes 
that Tom Leher did, for example, in the line, "That is to say, 
hooves, to the two".  Anyway, these are among the reasons it is the 
favorite thing I've done.

Runner-up:  "Professor Lockhart" by Haggridd.
When I saw the passage in the DADA class where Lockhart was 
recounting his prowess with the Wagga Wagga werewolf, I rejoiced. I 
knew just where I could use it:  in the passage where John Adams 
quotes thomas Jefferson to convince him to write the declartation of 
Independence.  The closeness of the parallel (in my mind) to Snape 
browbeating Lockhart to fulfill his boast in the filk was scary.  So 
this one is number two for me.  Here is a link:
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/secrets.htm#Professor_Lockhart

13. Best HP fandom filk- SHIP, TBAY, waiting for OoP, 
etc.
 
I dunno.

14. Best Dramatization of a scene from canon in a 
serious fashion; or Best serious filk. 

Winner:  "Cedric Diggory Guy" by Steffan
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/students/cedric.htm

Runner-up:  "The Goblet Game" by Toby Howe
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/gofire.htm#The_Goblet_Game

15. Best Dramatization of a scene from canon in a 
humorous fashion; or Funniest filk. 

16. Best choice of vehicle. 

I dunno yet.

17. Best Filk.

I just can't pick one.  There are so many great filks.

-Haggridd






From kristilynn5 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 14:27:47 2003
From: kristilynn5 at yahoo.com (Kristi Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:27:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry's sweets
In-Reply-To: <b6jfrq+71sh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030404142747.29680.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com>


I had so much fun in there! The address to the London Market is 563 South 700 East  Salt Lake City, UT 84102 and the phone number is 801.531.7074
Y'all have a great day!
Kristi
 zephyrjaid7 <Zephyrjaid at aol.com> wrote--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kristi Smith 
<kristilynn5 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello to all.  I am climbing out of lurkdom to share my excitement 
about finding Honeyduke's Best Chocolate, Fizzing Whizbees, Sherbet 
Lemons, Chocolate Frogs, and of course, Bertie Bott's Every Flavour 
Beans today in downtown Salt Lake City.  The local London Market had 
loads of really cool British candies, not to mention all the cool HP 
stuff.  I had a ball looking at everything from Turkish Delight to 
pork chipolatas.  Everything was yummy, but the Fizzing Whizbees are 
my favorite.  Okay, now please forgive me for being a dork!
> 
> Kristi, who is slowly coming down from her sugar high. :)
> 

You lucky, lucky girl. I'm planning an OoTP release celebration for 
my friends and I've been searching all over for HP sweets (to keep us 
awake, of course!). So far Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Beans are the 
only sweets I could find. I was considering buying a bunch 
of 'Muggle' candy and wrapping in colored cellophane with little 
parchment tags labelling which they were supposed to be, but if all 
that is available, I think I should continue my search. Do you mind 
giving me a contact address for the place you found the sweets at? 
Like Heidi said...I think I might have to resort to mail order. 

Zeph  


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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 17:49:24 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 17:49:24 -0000
Subject: Harry's sweets - London Market; Salt Lake City, UT
In-Reply-To: <20030404142747.29680.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6kgj4+s65m@eGroups.com>

It just so happens that London Market has a website.

http://www.thelondonmarket.net/cgibin/index.cgi?Page=home

Directly to the HP Candy-

http://www.thelondonmarket.net/cgibin/index.cgi?Page=Harry_Potter

Hours 10am to 6pm M-Sat
Toll Free: 800-510-1962
FAX: 801-746-2803

SALES: sales at thelondonmarket.net
Cust Service: cs at thelondonmarket.net

bboy_mn

- - - - - - - - - - - -

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kristi Smith
<kristilynn5 at y...> wrote:
> 
> I had so much fun in there! The address to 
The London Market 
563 South 700 East  
Salt Lake City, UT 84102 

phone number: 801.531.7074

> Y'all have a great day!
> Kristi





From kristilynn5 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 17:58:42 2003
From: kristilynn5 at yahoo.com (Kristi Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:58:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry's sweets - London Market; Salt Lake City, UT
In-Reply-To: <b6kgj4+s65m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030404175842.55661.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>


Thanks Steve!  You should be appointed Brit food and weets site-master.  You're awesome! :-)
Kristi
 Steve <bboy_mn at yahoo.com> wrote:It just so happens that London Market has a website.

http://www.thelondonmarket.net/cgibin/index.cgi?Page=home

Directly to the HP Candy-

http://www.thelondonmarket.net/cgibin/index.cgi?Page=Harry_Potter

Hours 10am to 6pm M-Sat
Toll Free: 800-510-1962
FAX: 801-746-2803

SALES: sales at thelondonmarket.net
Cust Service: cs at thelondonmarket.net

bboy_mn

- - - - - - - - - - - -

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kristi Smith
<kristilynn5 at y...> wrote:
> 
> I had so much fun in there! The address to 
The London Market 
563 South 700 East  
Salt Lake City, UT 84102 

phone number: 801.531.7074

> Y'all have a great day!
> Kristi



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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 21:02:59 2003
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:02:59 -0000
Subject: A few desperate J.K./HP questions for the know-it-alls!
In-Reply-To: <195.1834d22f.2bbd2ca4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b6kru3+2ltl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote:
> 
> Any help at all is appreciated! 
> 
<snip> 
> 2. Does anyone know where I might find a downloadable video of J.K. 
in an 
> interview? I found some audio streams at the archive of her 
interviews, but 
> no videos. 

Annemehr:

I finally located one that I had remembered watching, from July 2000. 
 It's in BBC's newsround, and I just checked and it's still there:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_1634000/1634400.stm

It is in four parts, and for each part you can either click one place 
to watch the video or another place for just the transcript.  It's 
nice and long!

Annemehr
who found a bunch of interviews and chats while desperately searching 
for any HP news beginning in early 2002 -- and by following links, 
that's how she found HPfGU!





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr  4 23:28:45 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 23:28:45 -0000
Subject: whoa! (aka dissent and HP)
In-Reply-To: <b6cfi1+m1ov@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6l4fd+s658@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:

> You can drive as fast as 
> you damn please--as long as other people, animals, etc. aren't 
> possibly endangered.  

The thought of you careering into a mountainside at speed does me 
great harm, however little damage it may do to the inhabitants of 
Vermont, Amy.  I'm also a little concerned about that waiver you 
carry round stipulating that no public resouces be expended 
assisting your possible recovery.

David




From melclaros at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 02:16:00 2003
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 02:16:00 -0000
Subject: Snape's Sudden Movement (was The Gleam! Oh No!)
In-Reply-To: <b6clav+9517@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6le90+3bjc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "erisedstraeh2002" 
<erisedstraeh2002 at y...> wrote:
> The Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:
> 
> > One popular theory is that Snape, hearing Harry start to name 
> > names, is afraid that Harry is going to name *him* as having been 
> > there (because he was).
> 
> Now me:
> 
> I'm undoubtedly digging up an old horse that's already been beaten 
to 
> death, but since I must have missed this on the first go-round - 
how 
> could Snape have been in the graveyard since he was at Hogwarts 
> attending the Triwizard Tournament and (as Hermione repeatedly 
> reminds us) you can't apparate or disapparate from the Hogwarts 
> grounds?
> 

and now me

Oh do let's stir!
But this is the odd thing. Was he? He's actually conspicuously absent 
during the third task of the Triwizard Tournament. He just seems to 
appear out of thin air *just* in time for all the "fun".

Mel, who's in the middle of this same convo somewhere else...again.




From grace701 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 02:59:53 2003
From: grace701 at yahoo.com (grace701)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 02:59:53 -0000
Subject: Decorations for Harry Potter Party
Message-ID: <b6lgr9+jfd5@eGroups.com>

I hope this is acceptable here, but I am having a Harry Potter & 
Chamber of Secrets DVD release "screening" here at home and was 
wondering on how to decorate the apartment.  Nothing big, just simple 
stuff.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I'd appreciate it, 
thanks!  Oh and this isn't allowed, you could just email me your 
ideas so we don't get into trouble.

Thanks,
Greicy




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 10:21:01 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:21:01 -0000
Subject: whoa! (aka dissent and HP)
In-Reply-To: <b6l4fd+s658@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6mamd+ons5@eGroups.com>

David kindly wrote:

> The thought of you careering into a mountainside at speed does me 
> great harm, however little damage it may do to the inhabitants of 
> Vermont, Amy.  

Sorry.  I assure you I'm a very tame driver.  Not a *good* one, 
necessarily, but a tame one.

> I'm also a little concerned about that waiver you 
> carry round stipulating that no public resouces be expended 
> assisting your possible recovery.

Hey now, that's only for when I go ice-climbing.

Amy




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 10:28:35 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:28:35 -0000
Subject: Decorations for Harry Potter Party
In-Reply-To: <b6lgr9+jfd5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6mb4j+4v54@eGroups.com>

Greicy wrote:

> I hope this is acceptable here, but I am having a Harry Potter & 
> Chamber of Secrets DVD release "screening" here at home and was 
> wondering on how to decorate the apartment.  Nothing big, just 
simple 
> stuff.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I'd appreciate it, 
> thanks!  Oh and this isn't allowed, you could just email me your 
> ideas so we don't get into trouble.

Soitenly it's allowed!  We love this kind of thing here in OTC-land.

Let's see . . . first, enchant your ceiling to show the sky.  Then 
float about a hundred candles above the guests' heads.  And 
definitely get the ghosts to do some formation gliding--it's perfect 
intermission entertainment.

All right, all right, I'll try to be helpful.  How about decorating 
the apartment to look like the Chamber itself, i.e., with snakes on 
the walls?  You could cut them out of paper.  Or scrawl something 
appropriately scary and funny on the wall in what looks like blood.  
Or get one of the talented seamstresses on OTC to send you her house 
banners.

Amy




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 10:34:49 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 02:34:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Decorations for Harry Potter Party
In-Reply-To: <b6mb4j+4v54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030405103449.15951.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com>


I know that Michael's Arts and Crafts sells tiny little brooms made of wicker! They would be perfect as party favors! They are in the aisle with the wreaths! And ask their floral designer about things. They are usually very helpful.
Alex (ex-Michaels employee) Fox
 Amy Z <lupinesque at yahoo.com> wrote:Greicy wrote:

> I hope this is acceptable here, but I am having a Harry Potter & 
> Chamber of Secrets DVD release "screening" here at home and was 
> wondering on how to decorate the apartment.  Nothing big, just 
simple 
> stuff.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I'd appreciate it, 
> thanks!  Oh and this isn't allowed, you could just email me your 
> ideas so we don't get into trouble.

Soitenly it's allowed!  We love this kind of thing here in OTC-land.

Let's see . . . first, enchant your ceiling to show the sky.  Then 
float about a hundred candles above the guests' heads.  And 
definitely get the ghosts to do some formation gliding--it's perfect 
intermission entertainment.

All right, all right, I'll try to be helpful.  How about decorating 
the apartment to look like the Chamber itself, i.e., with snakes on 
the walls?  You could cut them out of paper.  Or scrawl something 
appropriately scary and funny on the wall in what looks like blood.  
Or get one of the talented seamstresses on OTC to send you her house 
banners.

Amy


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 15:31:56 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:31:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Barb!
Message-ID: <20030405153156.61086.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

*skips into the room, trailing balloons and scattering
confetti*

Today's birthday honouree is Barb. Birthday owls can
be sent to this list or directly to blpurdom at yahoo.com

I hope your day is filled with magic, joy and peace.

Happy Birthday, Barb!

Sheryll, who extends many thanks and much chocolate to
Mary Ann for filling in in my absence

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From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 16:15:16 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:15:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Barb!
In-Reply-To: <20030405153156.61086.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030405161516.26870.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com>


(weilding a HUGE birthday cake)  Happy birthday Barb!!! Goddess of fan fiction! Wordsmithess of the heavens! May you live a happy and creative life!!!!!!! (ulterior motives included! we want to read more!)
Alex Fox (bowing down to your creative genius!)
 Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com> wrote:*skips into the room, trailing balloons and scattering
confetti*

Today's birthday honouree is Barb. Birthday owls can
be sent to this list or directly to blpurdom at yahoo.com

I hope your day is filled with magic, joy and peace.

Happy Birthday, Barb!

Sheryll, who extends many thanks and much chocolate to
Mary Ann for filling in in my absence

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From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 19:17:43 2003
From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 19:17:43 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Barb!
In-Reply-To: <20030405161516.26870.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6na4n+l0fs@eGroups.com>

Thanks, Sheryll and Alex!  Am very excited to be going OUT later 
with husband (no kids!) to a favorite restaurant in my neighborhood 
(Moroccan food--Mmmm).  Now, about using baked goods as weapons, 
Alex...back away SLOWLY from the birthday cake....

--Barb
(who vaguely remembers how to behave in restaurants and has sent 
TriPro Chapter 19 to Schnoogle, which will appear when there's 
another upload...)

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> (weilding a HUGE birthday cake)  Happy birthday Barb!!! Goddess of 
fan fiction! Wordsmithess of the heavens! May you live a happy and 
creative life!!!!!!! (ulterior motives included! we want to read 
more!)
> Alex Fox (bowing down to your creative genius!)
>  Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:*skips into the room, 
trailing balloons and scattering
> confetti*
> 
> Today's birthday honouree is Barb. Birthday owls can
> be sent to this list or directly to blpurdom at y...
> 
> I hope your day is filled with magic, joy and peace.
> 
> Happy Birthday, Barb!
> 
> Sheryll, who extends many thanks and much chocolate to
> Mary Ann for filling in in my absence
> 
> =====
> "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, 
sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through 
the bad times."
> blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26
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From jeopardy18 at attbi.com  Sat Apr  5 20:51:05 2003
From: jeopardy18 at attbi.com (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 20:51:05 -0000
Subject: New Dumbledore?
Message-ID: <b6nfjp+q7t2@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know who will play Dumbledore in the next Harry Potter 
movie?




From Ripleywriter at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 20:59:37 2003
From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:59:37 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Dumbledore?
Message-ID: <111.222d9cd5.2bc09db9@aol.com>


Michael Gambon. He was in 'Gosford Park', and aside from that, I don't know. 
Check out the PoA page at imdb...

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0304141

Melly



From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Apr  5 21:07:52 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 17:07:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Dumbledore?
Message-ID: <mailman.36.1576049045.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

Anyone interested in movie stuff, please check out the hpfgu movie group - http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hpfgu-movie. 



Heidi Tandy
*Ask me about Nimbus - 2003*
Http://www.hp2003.org 
-----Original Message-----
From: "seanmulligan2000" <jeopardy18 at attbi.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 20:51:05 
To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Dumbledore?

Real-To:  "seanmulligan2000" <jeopardy18 at attbi.com>

Does anyone know who will play Dumbledore in the next Harry Potter 
movie?



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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Apr  5 22:25:39 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 22:25:39 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Barb!
In-Reply-To: <20030405161516.26870.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6nl53+21qn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, alex fox <trinity61us at y...> 
wrote:

<< (weilding a HUGE birthday cake)  Happy birthday Barb!!! Goddess of 
fan fiction! Wordsmithess of the heavens! May you live a happy and 
creative life!!!!!!! (ulterior motives included! we want to read 
more!) 
Alex Fox (bowing down to your creative genius!) >>

Happy birthday, Barb! Trin said it better than I possibly could.

Morrocan restaurant, ah? I was introduced to one in San Pedro named 
Babouch last weekend. I inevitably love bastilla, but they served a 
honey-almond lamb that made me forget that I dislike lamb ... and a 
lemon chicken with little green olives sprinkled on it that almost 
made me forget I dislike olives ... it's not JUST my sweet tooth, the 
rabbit in a tomato-based sauce was heavenly, too.





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  5 22:47:13 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 22:47:13 -0000
Subject: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
Message-ID: <b6nmdh+2ro4@eGroups.com>

When I was look through Britsh food websites for Harry Potter sweets,
I can across packages of Toffee, except they didn't look like what I
preceive toffee to be. Although, I admit the pictures weren't very good.

The toffee I saw appeared somewhat taffy-like; that is, sweet, chewy,
and gooey. What I consider to be toffee is the hard candy found inside
a Heath brand candy bar. Also, what I consider toffee doesn't come in
any flavors other than toffee.

Can anyone enlighten me?

bboy_mn





From farmgirlnow at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  6 03:06:53 2003
From: farmgirlnow at hotmail.com (farmcatnow)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:06:53 -0000
Subject: Freebies with DVD purchase??
Message-ID: <b6o5kd+bc8e@eGroups.com>

Hey there,

Has anyone heard about any stores giving any good freebies with 
purchase of the new DVD/Video?

I see all this cool stuff for sale on eBay, like golden snitch antena 
balls, postcard packets and the like, and they always say that they 
were premiums you could get when you bought the 1st movie when it 
first came out.

If anyone sees anything like this, please post it.  I can easily get 
to a Wal-Mart or K-Mart, but if there is anything extra to be had I 
will drive the hour to get to "mall type" stores.

Thanks,
Julie




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr  6 15:02:11 2003
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Apr 2003 15:02:11 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1049641331.26.16057.m11@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

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From lucyliz_ward at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  6 16:07:01 2003
From: lucyliz_ward at hotmail.com (Fairy Queen)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 16:07:01 -0000
Subject: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6nmdh+2ro4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6pjb5+m200@eGroups.com>

Hi

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> When I was look through Britsh food websites for Harry Potter 
sweets,
> I can across packages of Toffee, except they didn't look like what I
> preceive toffee to be. Although, I admit the pictures weren't very 
good.
> 
> The toffee I saw appeared somewhat taffy-like; that is, sweet, 
chewy,
> and gooey. What I consider to be toffee is the hard candy found 
inside
> a Heath brand candy bar. Also, what I consider toffee doesn't come 
in
> any flavors other than toffee.
> 
> Can anyone enlighten me?
> 
> bboy_mn

There are different types of toffee in the UK.  The description 
of 'sweet, chewy, and gooey' fits some types, such as 'Toffos', which 
are small, circular and come in various fruit flavours. I have only 
tried Taffy once but, as far as I remember, Toffos are similar in 
consistancy to Taffy, just a little chewier, a bit less gooey. 
Although I haven't a clue what the filling in a Heath Brand Candy Bar 
is like, if it is golden in colour and brittle, but chewable in the 
mouth, then that would also be called 'Toffee' in the UK.  A third 
type of toffee is also hard and chewable, but is not brittle, as it 
comes in lumps.  This only tends to be one flavour, but somtimes it 
has nuts or similar things in. (IMO, this is best, and an especially 
yummy type comes from Thorntons)

I don't know if this helps at all.  Basically I am saying that the 
picture could be toffee, as toffee cam be many different things.
Could you post a link to the picture? If it is of a named UK brand, 
that might provide the answer.

Lucy




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  6 20:00:29 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 20:00:29 -0000
Subject: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6pjb5+m200@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6q10t+14hn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fairy Queen"
<lucyliz_ward at h...> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> > ...I can across packages of Toffee, except they didn't look like 
> > what I preceive toffee to be. ... The toffee I saw appeared
somewhat taffy-like; ...edited...
> > 
> > Can anyone enlighten me?
> > 
> > bboy_mn
> 


 
> ...edited....Although I haven't a clue what the filling in a Heath 
> Brand Candy Bar is like, if it is golden in colour and brittle, but 
> chewable in the mouth, then that would also be called 'Toffee' in 
> the UK.  
> ...edited...
> 
> I don't know if this helps at all.  Basically I am saying that the 
> picture could be toffee, as toffee cam be many different things.
> Could you post a link to the picture? If it is of a named UK brand, 
> that might provide the answer.
> 
> Lucy


bboy_mn:

Believe it or not, a Heath Brand Candy Bar is chocolate covered
'English' toffee. Although oddly, the Heath Brothers of Robinson,
Illinios, who founded their confectionary in 1914, bought the toffee
recipe from a Greek guy in Champaign, Illinois who was selling it
under the name 'Trail-Toffee'. The year was 1928.

It was said to be, at least by the Heath brothers, America's finest
English Toffee. 

It's hard and looks like nut brittle but is much darker in color, or
at least darker in color when compared to American peanut brittle. It
really is a fantasically yummy candy bar, but is much smaller than
other candy bars on the shelf. The Heath toffee at the core of a Heath
bar does soften a little when you eat it but not much, it never gets
as soft as taffy or caramel.

In a way, it's like a very hard dark caramel, but has a hint of some
other flavor in it that makes it a little different from common
caramel; maybe molasses or brown sugar (just a guess).

n 1989 the Heath family sold the company to Leaf, Inc., a division of
Hutamaki Oy of Helsinki, Finland.

In January of 1997, the Heath company became a subsidiary of the
HERSHEY candy company.
 
The plant in Robinson, IL that makes the Heath bar also makes Milk
Duds, Whoppers, Payday and Zero bars.

Milk Duds are another fantastic candy; small chocolate cover caramel
chew most often eaten at the movies. They are really yummy, or at
least I thought they were when I was a kid.

Just thought I would pass that along.

bboy_mn





From urbana at charter.net  Sun Apr  6 22:06:55 2003
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 22:06:55 -0000
Subject: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6q10t+14hn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6q8dv+7cbk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fairy Queen"
> 
> Milk Duds are another fantastic candy; small chocolate cover caramel
> chew most often eaten at the movies. They are really yummy, or at
> least I thought they were when I was a kid.

I used to love eating Milk Duds at the movies! I can't remember the 
last time I had any, though. Now I most often I eat popcorn at the 
movies, if I eat anything at all (or I share a large bag of M&Ms that 
I've, uh, sneaked in past the ushers :-) Ah yes, Milk Duds. Wonderful 
stuff as long as you don't have a loose tooth!

Anne U
(who used to like Vienna sausages too, and who once lost a tooth in a 
Turkish taffy sucker at the circus)




From ZaraLyon at aol.com  Sun Apr  6 23:20:58 2003
From: ZaraLyon at aol.com (aurigae_prime)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 23:20:58 -0000
Subject: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6q10t+14hn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6qcoq+6qfc@eGroups.com>

 It
> really is a fantasically yummy candy bar, but is much smaller than
> other candy bars on the shelf. The Heath toffee at the core of a 
Heath
> bar does soften a little when you eat it but not much, it never gets
> as soft as taffy or caramel.
> 
> In a way, it's like a very hard dark caramel, but has a hint of some
> other flavor in it that makes it a little different from common
> caramel; maybe molasses or brown sugar (just a guess).

Steve: If you like Heath bars, you should try a Skor bar. I believe 
it's also made by Hershey, and is also chocolate-covered toffee. 
Oddly enough, though, there is a different taste between the two. 
Skor is my favourite. :-) 

And yes, Milk Duds are good too!

Rhiannon,
who's off to go find candy for the movies tonight




From jayemelle at earthlink.net  Mon Apr  7 07:16:37 2003
From: jayemelle at earthlink.net (tesseract197)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 07:16:37 -0000
Subject: Freebies with DVD purchase??
In-Reply-To: <b6o5kd+bc8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6r8kl+76j4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "farmcatnow" 
<farmgirlnow at h...> wrote:
> Has anyone heard about any stores giving any good freebies with 
> purchase of the new DVD/Video?

Me:
In the Hastings circular in my Sunday paper, there's an offer for a 
free limited edition lithograph with the purchase of the DVD or VHS.  
There's a picture of the lithograph--it's Quidditch-themed, with the 
top half featuring Harry on his broom being chased by a dark-haired 
Slytherin in the background.  The bottom half shows the Slytherin and 
Gryffindor teams standing on the ground facing off against each 
other, with Malfoy and Harry at the front of the group, glaring at 
each other.  So if there's a Hastings in your area, you might try 
that.

Tess




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 12:54:38 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 12:54:38 -0000
Subject: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6qcoq+6qfc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6rsee+u1lb@eGroups.com>

aurigae_prime advised:

>If you like Heath bars, you should try a Skor bar. I believe 
> it's also made by Hershey, and is also chocolate-covered toffee. 
> Oddly enough, though, there is a different taste between the two. 
> Skor is my favourite. :-) 

Interesting that the market for chocolate-covered hard toffee is big 
enough that Hershey would make two, isn't it?  I agree, they are 
different and I like Skor slightly better.

The ultimate toffee-eating experience, though, IMHO, is Ben & Jerry's 
Coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.  That coffee-toffee 
combination . . . . mmmmmmmm.  And 5000% of your U.S. Recommended 
Daily Allowance of saturated fat, too!

Amy Z
wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream




From smotgreg at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  7 17:27:12 2003
From: smotgreg at hotmail.com (sandon96)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:27:12 -0000
Subject: Toffee Sweets are like ....?/ Geneology question
In-Reply-To: <b6rsee+u1lb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6scdg+j8pq@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:
> 
> The ultimate toffee-eating experience, though, IMHO, is Ben & Jerry's 
> Coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.  That coffee-toffee 
> combination . . . . mmmmmmmm.  And 5000% of your U.S. Recommended 
> Daily Allowance of saturated fat, too!

Truly, this is the finest thing to happen to toffee! I live for this 
ice cream! Ooo, I'm craving it right now. 

And speaking of cravings, everytime I read HP they are serving 
sausages, and I start craving sausages. So, are these sausages like the 
American pork breakfast sausage or more like a German brautwurst? Our 
store carries "British Style Bangers" - pork with rusk (what is rusk?) 
and do they sound authentic?

Last, does anyone know if Wales was included in the British census of 
1880? I'm doing a bit of geneology and have run into a bit of a snag 
with the discovery that the church in Wales that had my great 
grandfather's records burned down. A bit of trivia: I was surprised to 
find that during Colorado's gold rush of the 1880's, gold was shipped 
to Swansea, Wales for purifying. It was the closest location for that 
sort of thing, and so explains why there was such a large Welsh 
population in Colorado's gold mines.

Stacie (who humored a Welsh taxi cab driver greatly several years ago 
when she announced with glee that her great grandfather was from Wales. 
"Which town?" he inquired. "Well, I can't remember it right now, but 
I'm sure if I look on a map I would recognize it. It starts with two 
L's!" Whereupon, we nearly avoided the ditch and rock wall, as the 
driver doubled over in laughter. Ah, to be a stupid American! :))





From elenasnape at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 18:09:41 2003
From: elenasnape at yahoo.com (Elena)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:09:41 -0000
Subject: A poem
Message-ID: <b6set5+uiqt@eGroups.com>

I would like to ask you if you would PLEASE read and review my 
> poem? :)))
> 
> Rating: G
> Link: http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1254844
> 
> It is a bit melancholic. About S. Snape, of course. Please, read 
it! 
> It is my first poem in English!





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 20:08:25 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:08:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Jenny!
Message-ID: <20030407200825.6918.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>

*looks at the people gathered in the party room*

You over there! Yes, you. Help me with this food, will
you?

*together they fill the tables with cake and goodies*

Today's birthday honouree is our very jenny from
ravenclaw. Jenny's birthday owls can be sent to this
list or directly to meboriqua at aol.com

I hope your day was filled with fun and magic.

Happy Birthday, Jenny!

Sheryll

=====
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 blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26

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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 20:35:52 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:35:52 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6rsee+u1lb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6snf8+9oj6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
> The ultimate toffee-eating experience, though, IMHO, is Ben & 
Jerry's 
> Coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.  That coffee-toffee 
> combination . . . . mmmmmmmm.  And 5000% of your U.S. Recommended 
> Daily Allowance of saturated fat, too!
> 
> Amy Z
> wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream

Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?

Haggridd (L.O.O.N. Hit Wizard)





From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 20:47:30 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:47:30 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6snf8+9oj6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6so52+hlv3@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:

> Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?

My dear sir, naturally I would never make such a blatant error.  What 
do you think I am, some kind of HP greenhorn?  <laughs airily>  

Anyone can see that I must have been referring to gag ice cream, of 
which there are several varieties.  Ice cream that refuses to melt in 
one's mouth . . . ice cream that literally goes instantaneously from 
one's lips to one's hips . . . and of course the tame but classic ice 
cream that isn't the flavor indicated on the label.  If Zonko's 
doesn't carry it, Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes should.

Amy Z
desperately clutching her LOON membership card




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 20:15:05 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Jenny!
In-Reply-To: <20030407200825.6918.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030407201505.13249.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com>


*Alex sneaks in, spikes the punch, and gives Jenny a big birthday hug!*
 Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com> wrote:*looks at the people gathered in the party room*

You over there! Yes, you. Help me with this food, will
you?

*together they fill the tables with cake and goodies*

Today's birthday honouree is our very jenny from
ravenclaw. Jenny's birthday owls can be sent to this
list or directly to meboriqua at aol.com

I hope your day was filled with fun and magic.

Happy Birthday, Jenny!

Sheryll

=====
"We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times."
blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26

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From devika at sas.upenn.edu  Mon Apr  7 20:19:49 2003
From: devika at sas.upenn.edu (Devika)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:19:49 -0000
Subject: Ben & Jerry's (was:  Toffee Sweets are like ....?)
In-Reply-To: <b6rsee+u1lb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6smh5+4p95@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> The ultimate toffee-eating experience, though, IMHO, is Ben & 
Jerry's 
> Coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.  That coffee-toffee 
> combination . . . . mmmmmmmm.  And 5000% of your U.S. Recommended 
> Daily Allowance of saturated fat, too!
> 

Oh I agree!  My new Ben & Jerry's favorite is actually one I just 
tried for the first time a few days ago.  It's called "Everything But 
The..." and it really is everything you could possibly want in ice 
cream.  It's Vanilla Heath Bar Crunch swirled with New York Super 
Fudge Chunk and Peanut Butter Cup, so you have both chocolate and 
vanilla ice cream with Heath Bar chunks, chocolate-covered almonds, 
white chocolate chunks, and peanut butter cups.  It's perfect 
whenever a chocolate craving hits!

Devika, who would like to visit both Zonko's and Fortescue's :)




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 21:11:33 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:11:33 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6so52+hlv3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6spi5+813j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> Haggridd wrote:
> 
> > Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?
> 
> My dear sir, naturally I would never make such a blatant error.  
What 
> do you think I am, some kind of HP greenhorn?  <laughs airily>  
> 

Nice try!  Close, but no cigar, as they say in the carny business!


> Anyone can see that I must have been referring to gag ice cream, of 
> which there are several varieties.  Ice cream that refuses to melt 
in 
> one's mouth . . . ice cream that literally goes instantaneously 
from 
> one's lips to one's hips . . . and of course the tame but classic 
ice 
> cream that isn't the flavor indicated on the label.  If Zonko's 
> doesn't carry it, Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes should.
> 
> Amy Z
> desperately clutching her LOON membership card

You are sentenced to double secret probation until you find a nit-
picky mistake on somebody else.

Haggridd






From southernscotland at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 21:46:45 2003
From: southernscotland at yahoo.com (southernscotland)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:46:45 -0000
Subject: Fanfic writer humor - OT but strangely appropriate
Message-ID: <b6srk5+4tv0@eGroups.com>

Hi, guys!

I was surfing in another fandom (well, okay, Star Trek) when I found 
this list, called "You Know You've Been Writing Too Much Fanfic 
When...". It's about Star Trek, but you know, some of it is 
strangely appropriate for us Potter fans. Hmmm...

If you write fanfic, heck, if you even read fanfic, I think you 
might enjoy it. Here's the link:

http://scifi.about.com/bltoomuchfanfic.htm


lilahp (who is wondering why some of these entries seem so familiar 
to her)




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Apr  7 23:28:21 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 23:28:21 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6snf8+9oj6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6t1il+n3s5@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:
>
> > Amy Z
> > wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream
> 
> Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?
> 
> Haggridd (L.O.O.N. Hit Wizard)

What would Florean Fortescue say?

David




From editor at texas.net  Tue Apr  8 01:03:07 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:03:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
References: <b6snf8+9oj6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c2fd6a$9ee406e0$de05a6d8@texas.net>

Amy Z fantasized, right out in public:

> > The ultimate toffee-eating experience, though, IMHO, is Ben &
> Jerry's
> > Coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.  That coffee-toffee
> > combination . . . . mmmmmmmm.  And 5000% of your U.S. Recommended
> > Daily Allowance of saturated fat, too!
> >
> > Amy Z
> > wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream

Haggridd poured cold water upon her:
>
> Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?
>
> Haggridd (L.O.O.N. Hit Wizard)

Hah. Amateurs, the both of you.

You want Florean Fortescu's Ice-Cream Parlor (Parlour to you Brits, I
suppose).

~Amanda, L.O.O.N. and ice-cream fan and wondering what happens if you add-in
Fizzing Whizbees into the cream mix





From editor at texas.net  Tue Apr  8 01:07:10 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:07:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
References: <b6t1il+n3s5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c2fd6b$2f3c3c80$de05a6d8@texas.net>

> Haggridd wrote:
> >
> > > Amy Z
> > > wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream
> >
> > Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?
> >
> > Haggridd (L.O.O.N. Hit Wizard)

David:
>
> What would Florean Fortescue say?

Probably that he should expand. Florean's place is in Diagon Alley, and
Haggridd and Amy are over in Hogsmeade. I imagine there's an ice cream place
there, and I also suppose that Amy, being a L.O.O.N., can Apparate from
Florean's and back. L.O.O.N.s have all sorts of mystical powers.

~Amanda, wishing one of them were a spell for self-folding clothes





From meboriqua at aol.com  Tue Apr  8 01:38:59 2003
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 01:38:59 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Jenny!
In-Reply-To: <20030407200825.6918.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6t97j+h0b8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> 
wrote:
 
> Happy Birthday, Jenny!>

Thanks, Sheryll!  Thank you also to everyone who has emailed me to 
wish me a good birthday.  I love this place!

--jenny from ravenclaw **************************************




From john at queerasjohn.com  Tue Apr  8 02:41:08 2003
From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 03:41:08 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Deduct ten points from your LOON
	membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <001901c2fd6a$9ee406e0$de05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <BAB7F554.BCAF%john@queerasjohn.com>

Amanda Geist said:

> You want Florean Fortescu's Ice-Cream Parlor (Parlour to you Brits, I
> suppose).
> 
> ~Amanda, L.O.O.N. and ice-cream fan and wondering what happens if you add-in
> Fizzing Whizbees into the cream mix

A certain Anal P. Lardbottom has just text-messaged me via satellite, to
remind Mrs. Amanda Geist that there are two Es in Fortescue.

Remaining, messieurs-dames, y'r ob'd't serv't,

--pp Queer as John
For Anal P. Lardbottom
______________________________________

Queer as John || john at queerasjohn.com

AIM, YM & LJ @ QueerAsJohn || www.queerasjohn.com

Terrorism has become an American problem and, as such, it has very recently
acquired a very American solution: massive and invasive military force.
    --Ian Andrew Bell
______________________________________




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Apr  8 02:45:10 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 02:45:10 -0000
Subject: Birthday, Genealogy (was: Toffee Sweets are like ....?/ Geneology question
In-Reply-To: <b6scdg+j8pq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6td3m+5scn@eGroups.com>

While I'm posting, HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Jenny from Ravenclaw! Even 
there on the East Coast, there are still a couple more hours in 
it...

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sandon96" <smotgreg at h...> 
wrote:
> A bit of trivia: I was surprised to find that during Colorado's 
> gold rush of the 1880's, gold was shipped to Swansea, Wales for 
> purifying. It was the closest location for that sort of thing, 
> and so explains why there was such a large Welsh population in 
> Colorado's gold mines.

I used to have a friend who came from whatever suburb it was that 
the miners settled in ---  Arvada? --- and she told me that when she 
went to Britain for a university year, old ladies on the bus used 
to hear her speech in her Arvada (if I got the name right) accent 
and ask her from where in Wales was she from. 




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 04:22:17 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 04:22:17 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6t1il+n3s5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6tipp+mcfd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> 
wrote:
> Haggridd wrote:
> >
> > > Amy Z
> > > wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream
> > 
> > Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?
> > 
> > Haggridd (L.O.O.N. Hit Wizard)
> 
> What would Florean Fortescue say?
> 
> David

He's in Diagon Alley, not in Hogsmeade, where Zonko's was, unless he 
has a branch heretofor unreported in the books.

Haggridd





From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 04:32:32 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 04:32:32 -0000
Subject: Log-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership  
In-Reply-To: <002c01c2fd6b$2f3c3c80$de05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <b6tjd0+26d0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> 
wrote:
> > Haggridd wrote:
> > >
> > > > Amy Z
> > > > wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream
> > >
> > > Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?
> > >
> > > Haggridd (L.O.O.N. Hit Wizard)
> 
> David:
> >
> > What would Florean Fortescue say?
> 
> Probably that he should expand. Florean's place is in Diagon Alley, 
and
> Haggridd and Amy are over in Hogsmeade. I imagine there's an ice 
cream place
> there, and I also suppose that Amy, being a L.O.O.N., can Apparate 
from
> Florean's and back. L.O.O.N.s have all sorts of mystical powers.
> 
> ~Amanda, wishing one of them were a spell for self-folding clothes

We know that brooms are used for long-distance travel because it is 
difficult to Apparate over long distances.  The issue is whether the 
distance between London and Hogsmeade, which is somewhere in 
Scotland, is far enough to preclude Apparating.

Haggridd





From sushi at societyhappens.com  Tue Apr  8 06:14:15 2003
From: sushi at societyhappens.com (Sushi)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 01:14:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Log-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten
  points from your LOON membership
In-Reply-To: <b6tjd0+26d0@eGroups.com>
References: <002c01c2fd6b$2f3c3c80$de05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030408011201.00d059d0@mail.societyhappens.com>


>We know that brooms are used for long-distance travel because it is
>difficult to Apparate over long distances.  The issue is whether the
>distance between London and Hogsmeade, which is somewhere in
>Scotland, is far enough to preclude Apparating.
>
>Haggridd

         Well, nobody ever said Apparation all had to be done in one 
jump.  Heck, hopscotching would make London->Lima feasible, via either the 
Bering Strait or Iceland and Greenland.  It would definitely make 
*hopscotch* interesting as well (would that require cannons?).

Sushi, nitpicky


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 07:08:57 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:08:57 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <002c01c2fd6b$2f3c3c80$de05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <b6tsi9+d6an@eGroups.com>

David wrote:

> > What would Florean Fortescue say?

Amanda wrote:

> Probably that he should expand. 

Which he will most certainly do if he consumes his own product.

Amanda wrote:

> Florean's place is in Diagon Alley, and
> Haggridd and Amy are over in Hogsmeade. I imagine there's an ice 
cream place
> there, and I also suppose that Amy, being a L.O.O.N., can Apparate 
from
> Florean's and back. L.O.O.N.s have all sorts of mystical powers.

Thank you for gallantly rushing to my rescue, my sister Geist. I 
should have taken refuge in the noblest excuse a LOON can muster: 
that I was deliberately emulating the Creator by throwing a Flint 
into my post.

Amy
who must bow to Amandageist's superior LOONiness because the latter 
actually takes the time to put the .s in L.O.O.N.

and who thinks that if L.O.O.N. (*or* LOON) wished to add a Hit 
Wizard to its payroll, Haggridd would definitely be the obvious man 
for the job <illegal NRA joke deleted>

and who sent this post three times before she managed to put 
the "Amanda wrote:" in it.  Abject apologies, non-webviewers!




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Apr  8 11:45:40 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:45:40 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <b6tsi9+d6an@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6ucp4+ha1n@eGroups.com>

> Amy
> who  sent this post three times before she managed to put 
> the "Amanda wrote:" in it.  Abject apologies, non-webviewers!

I will incorporate the 'Amy effect' into my processes for estimating 
list volume at the time of OOP release.

David




From urbana at charter.net  Tue Apr  8 15:16:22 2003
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:16:22 -0000
Subject: Fanfic writer humor - OT but strangely appropriate
In-Reply-To: <b6srk5+4tv0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6up46+mund@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "southernscotland" 
<southernscotland at y...> wrote:
> Hi, guys!
> 
> I was surfing in another fandom (well, okay, Star Trek) when I 
found 
> this list, called "You Know You've Been Writing Too Much Fanfic 
> When...". It's about Star Trek, but you know, some of it is 
> strangely appropriate for us Potter fans. Hmmm...
> 
> If you write fanfic, heck, if you even read fanfic, I think you 
> might enjoy it. Here's the link:
> 
> http://scifi.about.com/bltoomuchfanfic.htm
> 
> 
> lilahp (who is wondering why some of these entries seem so familiar 
> to her)

Considering that (supposedly) there are over 50,000 Harry Potter fan 
fics out there, isn't it about time that About.com had webpages for 
the HP universe and HP fanverse? (Actually I should probably check to 
see whether they already do.)

Anne U
(whose favorite HP FF nitpick is "Hermione would never do that!")





From urbana at charter.net  Tue Apr  8 16:05:13 2003
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:05:13 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <002c01c2fd6b$2f3c3c80$de05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <b6urvp+27b6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> 
wrote:
> > Haggridd wrote:
> > >
> > > > Amy Z
> > > > wondering if Zonko's sells ice cream
> > >
> > > Erm.. wouldn't that be Honeydukes, not Zonko's?
> > >
> > > Haggridd (L.O.O.N. Hit Wizard)
> 
> David:
> >
> > What would Florean Fortescue say?
> 
> Probably that he should expand. Florean's place is in Diagon Alley, 
and
> Haggridd and Amy are over in Hogsmeade. I imagine there's an ice 
cream place
> there, and I also suppose that Amy, being a L.O.O.N., can Apparate 
from
> Florean's and back. L.O.O.N.s have all sorts of mystical powers.
>

A few years from now, in the AU of fan fiction*, Ron Weasley and his 
wife, Kellie (who is an American witch), will be running the Diagon 
Alley outlet of (IIRC) Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, the joke shop that 
Fred & George opened with the money they got from Harry and Ludo 
Bagman. Who knows, maybe WWW will also sell ice cream, though knowing 
Gred & Forge the flavors will include Canary Cream and Ton-Tongue 
Toffee;-) Of course this is only in the AU of fan fiction... for 
now ... but I hope JKR does give Fred & George that joke shop in one 
of the last 3 books, even if only for the comic relief it will 
provide in the midst of VW2.

Anne U
(*in Love Is A Battlefield, one of my favorite FFs)





From editor at texas.net  Tue Apr  8 17:27:46 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:27:46 -0000
Subject: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership:  Re: Toffee Sweets are like ....?
In-Reply-To: <BAB7F554.BCAF%john@queerasjohn.com>
Message-ID: <b6v0qi+7bkk@eGroups.com>

John, channeling The Honorable Mr. Lardbottom, said

> Amanda Geist said:
> 
> > You want Florean Fortescu's Ice-Cream Parlor (Parlour to you 
Brits, I
> > suppose).
> > 
> > ~Amanda, L.O.O.N. and ice-cream fan and wondering what happens if 
you add-in
> > Fizzing Whizbees into the cream mix
> 
> A certain Anal P. Lardbottom has just text-messaged me via 
satellite, to
> remind Mrs. Amanda Geist that there are two Es in Fortescue.
> 
> Remaining, messieurs-dames, y'r ob'd't serv't,
> 
> --pp Queer as John
> For Anal P. Lardbottom

John, the next time you speak to the good Mr. Lardbottom, kindly 
remind him that it's hardly *my* fault if the editors of these books 
misspelled Florean's name. 

~Amanda (who shall take Amy's dodge that I just put that typo in there 
to see if anyone was paying attention--and who was actually more 
worried that someone would nitpick on "Parlo(u)r")

_______________________________




From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 18:15:40 2003
From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:15:40 -0000
Subject: Fanfic writer humor - OT but strangely appropriate
In-Reply-To: <b6up46+mund@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6v3kc+a61g@eGroups.com>

The list has more than a few things that can apply to any fandom.  
This one made me chuckle:

49. You see "AC/DC" written on a power cord and spend fifteen 
minutes trying to figure out what characters those are and why they 
would get together. 

If this were an HP fic, DC could be Dennis Creevey or Doris 
Crockford.  Still thinking about who 'AC' could be...
Perhaps Vincent Crabbe's father?  I'll name him Axel Crabbe and to 
avoid cross-generational problems, DC will be Doris rather than 
Dennis.  Hmm.  I'm almost afraid to hit 'send' in case someone 
actually writes this...<vbeg>

--Barb

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" <urbana at c...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "southernscotland" 
> <southernscotland at y...> wrote:
> > Hi, guys!
> > 
> > I was surfing in another fandom (well, okay, Star Trek) when I 
> found 
> > this list, called "You Know You've Been Writing Too Much Fanfic 
> > When...". It's about Star Trek, but you know, some of it is 
> > strangely appropriate for us Potter fans. Hmmm...
> > 
> > If you write fanfic, heck, if you even read fanfic, I think you 
> > might enjoy it. Here's the link:
> > 
> > http://scifi.about.com/bltoomuchfanfic.htm
> > 
> > 
> > lilahp (who is wondering why some of these entries seem so 
familiar 
> > to her)
> 
> Considering that (supposedly) there are over 50,000 Harry Potter 
fan 
> fics out there, isn't it about time that About.com had webpages 
for 
> the HP universe and HP fanverse? (Actually I should probably check 
to 
> see whether they already do.)
> 
> Anne U
> (whose favorite HP FF nitpick is "Hermione would never do that!")




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 16:52:46 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:52:46 -0000
Subject: Long-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030408011201.00d059d0@mail.societyhappens.com>
Message-ID: <b6uuou+67vc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sushi <sushi at s...> wrote:
> 
> >We know that brooms are used for long-distance travel because it is
> >difficult to Apparate over long distances.  The issue is whether 
the
> >distance between London and Hogsmeade, which is somewhere in
> >Scotland, is far enough to preclude Apparating.
> >
> >Haggridd
> 
>          Well, nobody ever said Apparation all had to be done in 
one 
> jump.  Heck, hopscotching would make London->Lima feasible, via 
either the 
> Bering Strait or Iceland and Greenland.  It would definitely make 
> *hopscotch* interesting as well (would that require cannons?).
> 
> Sushi, nitpicky

I believe that Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington (in another 
incarnation during which he was occupied by the quest for a 
certain "Grail") compared the maximum range of Apparation to that of 
a swallow.

Does anybody know the maximum range and velocity of a fully-laden 
swallow?

:-)
Haggridd





From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 16:52:49 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:52:49 -0000
Subject: Long-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030408011201.00d059d0@mail.societyhappens.com>
Message-ID: <b6uup1+3avv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sushi <sushi at s...> wrote:
> 
> >We know that brooms are used for long-distance travel because it is
> >difficult to Apparate over long distances.  The issue is whether 
the
> >distance between London and Hogsmeade, which is somewhere in
> >Scotland, is far enough to preclude Apparating.
> >
> >Haggridd
> 
>          Well, nobody ever said Apparation all had to be done in 
one 
> jump.  Heck, hopscotching would make London->Lima feasible, via 
either the 
> Bering Strait or Iceland and Greenland.  It would definitely make 
> *hopscotch* interesting as well (would that require cannons?).
> 
> Sushi, nitpicky

I believe that Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington (in another 
incarnation during which he was occupied by the quest for a 
certain "Grail") compared the maximum range of Apparation to that of 
a swallow.

Does anybody know the maximum range and velocity of a fully-laden 
swallow?

:-)
Haggridd





From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 20:42:36 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:42:36 -0000
Subject: Long-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership
In-Reply-To: <b6uuou+67vc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6vc7s+r8vg@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:

> Does anybody know the maximum range and velocity of a fully-laden 
> swallow?

An African or European swallow?

Amy




From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr  8 20:46:50 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:46:50 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Long-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership
References: <b6vc7s+r8vg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3E93353A.000001.97695@monica>


Haggridd wrote:
 
> Does anybody know the maximum range and velocity of a fully-laden 
> swallow?
 
An African or European swallow?
 
Amy
 
Took the words right out of my mouth Amy :)

And on the subject in question - unless anyone has any evidence that NHN is
an ornithologist I don't think we can assume he was talking with any degree
of accuracy.

K



From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Apr  8 21:28:44 2003
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:28:44 -0000
Subject: Log-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030408011201.00d059d0@mail.societyhappens.com>
Message-ID: <b6veuc+hpr3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Sushi wrote:


>          Well, nobody ever said Apparation all had to be done in one 


> jump.  Heck, hopscotching would make London->Lima feasible, via


> either the Bering Strait or Iceland and Greenland.  It would


> definitely make *hopscotch* interesting as well (would that require


> cannons?).


> 


> Sushi, nitpicky




Actually, apparating from Britain to Iceland would probably 
necessitate hopscotching via the Bering Straits, as the stretches of 
open sea between Britain and Iceland are significant, even assuming 
stopovers at the Faeroes and Shetland.  During some parts of the year 
you might even be forced to go through the Northern part of Greenland 
and apparate across the Greenland inland icecap to the Eastern coast, 
before making the last apparation-hop to Iceland.  This would, of 
course, be quite the tour of the Northern hemisphere.




Best regards


Christian Stub?


Even more nitpicky





From cygnusff at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Apr  8 22:25:34 2003
From: cygnusff at yahoo.co.uk (cygnusff)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:25:34 -0000
Subject: Donate to Nimbus!
Message-ID: <b6vi8v+e0eb@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

(Sorry if this is OT for this group - but it is important!)

Here's how you can donate to Nimbus to help make it a huge success! 
Nimbus really does need your help.


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From losangelis at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 00:31:56 2003
From: losangelis at yahoo.com (Curt Angeli)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:31:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?  
In-Reply-To: <1049816327.484.20791.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030409003156.62700.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi all,

 

I don't post much..in fact, I probably haven't since last year when I posted this same question.  I'm teaching my second summer of a Harry Potter class, where my 4th through 7th graders live out Hogwarts.  It was wonderful last year, and I expect it to be even bigger this year.

My question is:  I am looking for some good discussion topics.  Last year, we did name origins, animagi, comparisons of the Marauders and the trio + 1?, and rumors.  Obviously, this year, discussion will include the Order of the Phoenix, and we also are going to talk about the sorting hat and discrepencies (Hermione better in Ravenclaw, Percy in Slytherin?).  

I was wondering if anyone had any other good "beyond the book" topics that you think young people might find intruiging.  I consider myself pretty good in terms of the canon, but many of you are much better at interesting conversations and debates.

By the way, my site (still under construction, but links to last year's site is there) is at potterville.net.

Thanks in advance.

Curt



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From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Apr  9 00:44:21 2003
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:44:21 -0000
Subject: Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
In-Reply-To: <20030409003156.62700.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6vqd5+3og3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Curt Angeli <losangelis at y...> 
wrote:
 
> I was wondering if anyone had any other good "beyond the book" 
topics that you think young people might find intruiging.  I consider 
myself pretty good in terms of the canon, but many of you are much 
better at interesting conversations and debates.>

Hey, fellow teacher!

I am not at all claiming to be original here, but a thread that has 
been popular here is the idea of lying in HP.  Harry and friends have 
been known to be less than honest, but for reasons that are good.  I 
think younger kids in particular would have some interesting responses 
to the idea of dishonesty and if it is always bad.

Trelawney is one of my favorite topics.  You could have a discussion 
with your students about what makes a good teacher, as well as how 
students should deal with authority figures they know are wrong.  
Snape and his attitude towards students like Neville can also be 
thrown in.

Of course, you can always discuss the "don't judge a book by its 
cover" theme in HP.

Let me stop here or I'll go on all night.

--jenny from ravenclaw ********************************




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Apr  9 00:40:25 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:40:25 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
Message-ID: <1c9.7f244f2.2bc4c5f9@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/8/2003 8:33:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
losangelis at yahoo.com writes:

> I was wondering if anyone had any other good "beyond the book" topics that 
> you think young people might find intruiging. 

If your school does conflict resolution projects that get the kids engaged in 
looking at problems and issues from perspectives other than their own, then 
the issue of the books being mostly from Harry's perspective might be 
interesting to them. 

You should also look over the list of topics that are going to be presented 
at Nimbus - 2003 (a lot of educators are presenting and attending) - you can 
find the list here: <A HREF="http://www.hp2003.org/nimbuspgmtrack.html">http://www.hp2003.org/nimbuspgmtrack.html</A> - there might 
be some inspirational ideas there, too.

Heidi


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From jillily3g at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 03:53:06 2003
From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 03:53:06 -0000
Subject: lurker question re: book durability
Message-ID: <b705f2+e3l2@eGroups.com>

I was directed here after trying to post on the main list. [must try 
to keep topics straight...]

I would like to replace my many-times-lent hardcover copies of CoS 
and PoA that have sections falling out, yet what I see on the 
shelves appears to be just like what I have. Does anyone have any 
suggestions on durable copies? Do the paperbacks last just as well?
 
Beth





From jillily3g at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 04:19:46 2003
From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:19:46 -0000
Subject: Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
In-Reply-To: <20030409003156.62700.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b70712+r0nm@eGroups.com>


> I was wondering if anyone had any other good "beyond the book" 
topics that you think young people might find intruiging.  

What about "beyond the book"--looking at how we look at people vs. 
how they really are? Or stretch it further and ask how they would 
craft one of the movies? There are also some fun recipes for foods 
mentioned. Maybe one of them could be adapted for the class period 
(or they could invent their own). 

I think this is a really great idea! Please tell us how it goes.

Beth




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 05:02:57 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 05:02:57 -0000
Subject: Log-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership
In-Reply-To: <b6veuc+hpr3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b709i2+kp3v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pengolodh_sc" 
<pengolodh_sc at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Sushi wrote:
          Well, nobody ever said Apparation all had to be done in one 
> > jump.  Heck, hopscotching would make London->Lima feasible, via 
> > either the Bering Strait or Iceland and Greenland.  It would
> > definitely make *hopscotch* interesting as well (would that
> > require cannons?).

> > Sushi, nitpicky
> 
 
> Actually, apparating from Britain to Iceland would probably 
> necessitate hopscotching via the Bering Straits, as the stretches 
of 
> open sea between Britain and Iceland are significant, even assuming 
> stopovers at the Faeroes and Shetland.  During some parts of the 
year 
> you might even be forced to go through the Northern part of 
Greenland 
> and apparate across the Greenland inland icecap to the Eastern 
coast, 
> before making the last apparation-hop to Iceland.  This would, of 
> course, be quite the tour of the Northern hemisphere.
> 
 
> Best regards
> 
> 
> Christian Stub? 
> Even more nitpicky

"Bering Straits"? You mean the one between Alaska and Siberia?  That 
would indeed be quite the tour (and way off course).

Haggrid
Even more nitpicky than Christian




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 05:07:08 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 05:07:08 -0000
Subject: lurker question re: book durability
In-Reply-To: <b705f2+e3l2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b709ps+b5ui@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jillily3g" <jillily3g at y...> 
wrote:
> I was directed here after trying to post on the main list. [must 
try 
> to keep topics straight...]
> 
> I would like to replace my many-times-lent hardcover copies of CoS 
> and PoA that have sections falling out, yet what I see on the 
> shelves appears to be just like what I have. Does anyone have any 
> suggestions on durable copies? Do the paperbacks last just as well?
>  
> Beth

You lent your books MANY TIMES?  AARGH!
You need to make your borrowers wear white gloves and read your 
copies in a dust-free, laminar airflow, climate-controlled room.

-Haggridd (who advises you to buy new copies, preferably of the 
Bloomsbury clothbound children's editions.)




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 09:12:28 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:12:28 -0000
Subject: Log-distance Apparating; WAS: Deduct ten points from your LOON membership
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030408011201.00d059d0@mail.societyhappens.com>
Message-ID: <b70o5s+o0sj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sushi <sushi at s...> wrote:
> 
> >We know that brooms are used for long-distance travel because it is
> >difficult to Apparate over long distances.  The issue is whether the
> >distance between London and Hogsmeade, which is somewhere in
> >Scotland, is far enough to preclude Apparating.
> >
> >Haggridd
> 
> Well, nobody ever said Apparation all had to be done in one 
> jump.  Heck, hopscotching would make London->Lima feasible, via 
> either the Bering Strait or Iceland and Greenland.  It would 
> definitely make *hopscotch* interesting as well (would that require 
> cannons?).
> 
> Sushi, nitpicky


bboy_mn:

JKR told us the distance you can apparate is limited, unfortunately
she didn't give us a number. I for one would love to know what it is,
it would certainly help my fiction.

In my fan fiction, there are programmable Portpager. Devices that are
both an electronic pager and a programmable portkey. I had to set some
range on them, and based on the scant evidence in the stories, I chose
500km or 300miles. Also, I have made the assumption that my portkeys
and apparation are about the same. I think the book contradicts this
in that people portkeyed from all over Europe to the World Cup. But my
portkey/pagers are limited by the programability and the combination
of muggle electronics and magic.

Starting in London, that range allows you to apparate to Devon where
it is assumed that the Burrow is (150 miles). But you fall 34 miles
short when trying to apparate from London to Edinburgh, Scotland
(approx. 334 miles). From that point 34 miles south of Edinburgh to MY
assumed location of Hogwarts is an additional (34+124) 158 miles.

We know from canon that London to the Weasley's Burrow is possible, or
at least, it is according to Ron. We know from the story that Surrey
to the Burrow is possible because Mr. Weasley does it in book 4 (still
roughly 150 miles). But we are given the impression that Dumbledore
flew from Hogwarts to London in the Sorcerer's Stone, although, I
suspect he apparated back in a couple of hops given the urgency of the
situation. 

So +150 miles is easy but 458 miles is hard. Based on this, I chose an
average of 300 miles. Some wizards can go a little more; some wizards
not quite that far. That range also allows you to go from London to
Dublin, Paris, Brussels, or Amsterdam in a single hop.

I also suspect, that you can combine flying and apparating. You could
take off on your broom, fly a comfortable distance from your start
location, then apparate with the broom to a comfortable distance from
your destination, and fly the remaining distance. Let's face it flying
is fun, but even at 200 mph (+2 hour journey from Hogwarts to London),
it's not as fast as apparating. Plus, given the weather in Britain, I
suspect flying is a little chilly.

So, until JKR gives us some details, that's my story and I'm sticking
to it.

bboy_mn







From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 09:20:08 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:20:08 -0000
Subject: Log-distance Apparating; Additional Note
In-Reply-To: <b70o5s+o0sj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b70ok8+4pu3@eGroups.com>



> bboy_mn:
> 
> ...edited... I chose 500km or 300miles. 
> 
> ...edtied...
>
> So, until JKR gives us some details, that's my story and I'm sticking
> to it.
> 
> bboy_mn

bboy_mn adds:

That distance of 300 miles allow you to go from Scotland to the Faroe
Islands to Iceland to Greenland to Canada with all hops being less
than 300 miles.

Thank you, my 3D World Atlas which cost $10 and has colored
topographic satillite maps of the entire world including the ocean
bottoms.

bboy_mn





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 09:42:21 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:42:21 -0000
Subject: Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
In-Reply-To: <20030409003156.62700.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b70ptt+8ngr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Curt Angeli <losangelis at y...>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> I don't post much..in fact, I probably haven't since last year when
I posted this same question.  I'm teaching my second summer of a Harry
Potter class, where my 4th through 7th graders live out Hogwarts.  It
was wonderful last year, and I expect it to be even bigger this year.
> 
> My question is:  I am looking for some good discussion topics.  
>
>...edited...
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any other good "beyond the book" 
> topics that you think young people might find intruiging.  
> ...edited...
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Curt


bboy_mn:

Well, moral dilemmas are always good. Someone suggested analysing
Harry's honesty or lying. True he does lie, but he does so for good
reasons. He also breaks the rules, but sometimes in life, breaking the
rules is the right thing to do. Of course, sometimes when he does it,
he is just plain wrong, like seeking into Hogsmeade. It also helps the
students realize that good people, even great people, aren't perfect.

This could also be carried over into the current conflict in Iraq. War
is alway a moral dilemma, and war is about to start in the wizard
world. Should a soldier/wizard blindly obey the rules, or are there
times when doing the wrong thing is the right thing. This is important
in the real world of war because, in World War II and even in Viet Nam
soldiers were held morally accountable for following orders; re:
Jewish death camps, the Mai Lay massacre, and more recently in Serbia. 

On the issue of rules, it is considered a higher degree of moral
development to make your own judgment about what is right, and follow
your conscience rather than the rules. This particular topic sparked a
long hot debate in the HP for Grown Ups groups.

Another hot topic, and again, it ties in with moral dilemmas, is
trying to decide if Draco is redeemable. It asks the students to look
at someone or something bad and see if they can find some good in
them. Personally, I think when Draco finds out what it really means to
be a Death Eater, the idea won't seem very appealing to him. It also
asks them to examine why bad people are bad. 

These are all pretty serious topic, but I'm sure there are some fun
topics too.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 10:32:52 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 03:32:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
In-Reply-To: <1c9.7f244f2.2bc4c5f9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030409103252.58630.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com>


I'm not sure what age group we are talking about, but I had a great idea for a class project! Probably 4th or 3rd grade. A Diagon alley set , where you put the class in groups of two or three, and they make shops. Name them like the shops in the alley. An Owl shop, a Wand shop, a Book shop, Candys , and Jokes! etc... Then they have to come up with inventory lists, samples, and advertisments, just like a real business! They could barter with each other, and have to act like a real business, but the HP concept would keep them more interested than they would be with a normal class. Just my 2 Knuts as a wanna be teacher...
Alex Fox
 heidit at netbox.com wrote:In a message dated 4/8/2003 8:33:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
losangelis at yahoo.com writes:

> I was wondering if anyone had any other good "beyond the book" topics that 
> you think young people might find intruiging. 

If your school does conflict resolution projects that get the kids engaged in 
looking at problems and issues from perspectives other than their own, then 
the issue of the books being mostly from Harry's perspective might be 
interesting to them. 

You should also look over the list of topics that are going to be presented 
at Nimbus - 2003 (a lot of educators are presenting and attending) - you can 
find the list here: <A HREF="http://www.hp2003.org/nimbuspgmtrack.html">http://www.hp2003.org/nimbuspgmtrack.html</A> - there might 
be some inspirational ideas there, too.

Heidi


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From jmd at jvf.co.uk  Wed Apr  9 11:11:43 2003
From: jmd at jvf.co.uk (Jeremy Davis)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:11:43 +0100
Subject: Hagrid for the chop in HP5???????
Message-ID: <00d001c2fe88$ced10f50$0e010001@jmd2000>

We all know the rumour, however Children's BBC Newsround has a web page
report on the COS DVD launch party.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_2930000/2930727.stm) and
in this Robbie Coltrain is quoted as saying...

 "There's rumours that I know what's going to happen in book five," he told
Newsround. "I'm glad I don't! "
"Yes, she (JK Rowling) has given me hints. But if I told you about them
you'd have to die!" he joked.

Any clearer????

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Apr  9 11:33:43 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:33:43 -0000
Subject: Hagrid for the chop in HP5???????
In-Reply-To: <00d001c2fe88$ced10f50$0e010001@jmd2000>
Message-ID: <b710en+50j8@eGroups.com>

Jeremy Davis quoted Robbie Coltrane (not Coltrain):

> "Yes, she (JK Rowling) has given me hints. But if I told you about 
them
> you'd have to die!" he joked.
> 
> Any clearer????

Oh, I think it's perfectly clear: in Coltrane, JKR has found a soul-
mate whose ability to tease the public without actually committing 
to anything is almost as great as her own.

All these mind games make wonderful theatre and fill the coffers for 
JKR, her publishers and WB, but if you value your sanity you won't 
want to get drawn in.

David




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 13:54:02 2003
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:54:02 -0000
Subject: lurker question re: book durability
In-Reply-To: <b705f2+e3l2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b718lq+fdss@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jillily3g" <jillily3g at y...> 
wrote:
> I was directed here after trying to post on the main list. [must try 
> to keep topics straight...]
> 
> I would like to replace my many-times-lent hardcover copies of CoS 
> and PoA that have sections falling out, yet what I see on the 
> shelves appears to be just like what I have. Does anyone have any 
> suggestions on durable copies? Do the paperbacks last just as well?
>  
> Beth

Do you still have all the pages?  Maybe you should try your library.

I lent my Scholastic hardcover PoA (purchased in Summer '00) to my 
Mom, and the binding had completely split between two pages.  My Mom 
asked her library how to fix it and, following their directions, 
repaired it herself -- and it's holding up quite well.  My thought is 
that the library may even be willing to do it for you, especially for 
a small donation.

Interestingly, I have seen one or two other Scho. hardcover PoA's 
belonging to other people in the same state mine was in.  But, my GoF 
is holding up just fine.  Maybe they realized that these books were 
getting more than the usual amount of use, and wised up and bound them 
more strongly? (Though I bought my PoA after GoF, it was actually 
printed earlier, if I'm reading my title page correctly)

Hope that helps --
Annemehr




From lynntownsend100 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 16:15:56 2003
From: lynntownsend100 at yahoo.com (Lynn)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:15:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Link 2 "The Last Page"
Message-ID: <20030409161556.26587.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com>


Dear All,
        I got this from one of my other groups. Do you think that it's legit?
(Contains possible spoilers)
-Lynn T

angel_fire034 wrote:To: 
TheHarryPotterFannClub at yahoogroups.com
From: "angel_fire034" 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:09:57 -0000
Subject: [TheHarryPotterFannClub] EXCLUSIVE

hey members of my club, a radio station here in nashville near were i 
live read the supposable last page of ootp, go to the link below to 
check it out.
http://www.1075theriver.com/potter.html

thanks 
angela(owner)

sorry i posted this twice i just want people to know







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From rainbow at rainbowbrite.net  Wed Apr  9 16:19:31 2003
From: rainbow at rainbowbrite.net (Katy Cartee)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:19:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: Link 2 "The Last Page"
References: <20030409161556.26587.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023801c2feb3$cdffce10$2302a8c0@sysonline.com>

You might want to read further down that page where it says "April Fools"...

~Katy~

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lynn 
  To: hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:15 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: Link 2 "The Last Page"



  Dear All,
          I got this from one of my other groups. Do you think that it's legit?
  (Contains possible spoilers)
  -Lynn T

  angel_fire034 wrote:To: 
  TheHarryPotterFannClub at yahoogroups.com
  From: "angel_fire034" 
  Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:09:57 -0000
  Subject: [TheHarryPotterFannClub] EXCLUSIVE

  hey members of my club, a radio station here in nashville near were i 
  live read the supposable last page of ootp, go to the link below to 
  check it out.
  http://www.1075theriver.com/potter.html

  thanks 
  angela(owner)

  sorry i posted this twice i just want people to know







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From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Apr  9 16:17:45 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:17:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: Link 2 "The Last Page"
Message-ID: <mailman.37.1576049045.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

It is fake. Look at the grammar in the dialogue punctuation. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn <lynntownsend100 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:15:56 
To:hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: Link 2 "The Last Page"

Real-To:  Lynn <lynntownsend100 at yahoo.com>


Dear All,
        I got this from one of my other groups. Do you think that it's legit?
(Contains possible spoilers)
-Lynn T

angel_fire034 wrote:To: 
TheHarryPotterFannClub at yahoogroups.com
From: "angel_fire034" 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:09:57 -0000
Subject: [TheHarryPotterFannClub] EXCLUSIVE

hey members of my club, a radio station here in nashville near were i 
live read the supposable last page of ootp, go to the link below to 
check it out.
http://www.1075theriver.com/potter.html

thanks 
angela(owner)

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From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Apr  9 16:17:45 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:17:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: Link 2 "The Last Page"
Message-ID: <mailman.38.1576049045.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

It is fake. Look at the grammar in the dialogue punctuation. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn <lynntownsend100 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:15:56 
To:hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: Link 2 "The Last Page"

Real-To:  Lynn <lynntownsend100 at yahoo.com>


Dear All,
        I got this from one of my other groups. Do you think that it's legit?
(Contains possible spoilers)
-Lynn T

angel_fire034 wrote:To: 
TheHarryPotterFannClub at yahoogroups.com
From: "angel_fire034" 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:09:57 -0000
Subject: [TheHarryPotterFannClub] EXCLUSIVE

hey members of my club, a radio station here in nashville near were i 
live read the supposable last page of ootp, go to the link below to 
check it out.
http://www.1075theriver.com/potter.html

thanks 
angela(owner)

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From alexpie at aol.com  Wed Apr  9 16:57:47 2003
From: alexpie at aol.com (alexpie at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:57:47 EDT
Subject: Durability
Message-ID: <9c.2ff672bb.2bc5ab0b@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/9/03 12:09:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Does anyone have any 
> suggestions on durable copies? Do the paperbacks last just as well?
> 

My paperbacks are in chunks!  In fact, I only recently found the first half 
of CoS, which had fallen behind my bed.  I was thinking of switching to 
hardcover, but I guess they're all pretty flimsy.
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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 18:53:08 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling
Message-ID: <20030409185308.83742.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>

And now for something completely different . . . does
anyone here know of a source for decaffeinated
Darjeeling tea?

Amy

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 18:58:12 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:58:12 -0000
Subject: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling
In-Reply-To: <20030409185308.83742.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b71qg4+8q0q@eGroups.com>

Never mind--I caught my spelling error on Google and found some.

Amy
who's about to start sleeping better




From illyana at mindspring.com  Wed Apr  9 19:29:25 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:29:25 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling
In-Reply-To: <b71qg4+8q0q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <93160FDA-6AC1-11D7-A25F-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>

I know you've probably already found some places, but I highly 
recommend that you check out The Republic of Tea. I dunno if they have 
caffeine-free Darjeeling tea, because I don't drink that kind, but they 
have a huge assortment. Here's a link: http://www.republicoftea.com/

illyana

On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 11:58  , Amy Z wrote:

> Never mind--I caught my spelling error on Google and found some.
>
> Amy
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>
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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 21:25:37 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:25:37 -0000
Subject: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling
In-Reply-To: <93160FDA-6AC1-11D7-A25F-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <b7234h+mouj@eGroups.com>

Illyana wrote:

> I know you've probably already found some places, but I highly 
> recommend that you check out The Republic of Tea. I dunno if they 
have 
> caffeine-free Darjeeling tea, because I don't drink that kind, but 
they 
> have a huge assortment. 

Thank you! They don't have decaf Darjeeling, but they do have an 
impressive assortment. Now I'm very curious about what "Earl Greyer" 
tea is. I suppose it's what you drink if you want to be Picarder 
than most people. Which I most certainly do.

Amazingly, when I typed "decaffeinated" correctly and Googled it that 
way ("caffeine-free" having turned up nothing), one of the sources 
that came up was in the not-particularly-large city I'm probably 
moving to in a few months. More on that when it becomes a sure 
thing. But I think the tea store is a good omen, don't you? Like 
finding an acorn in your tea leaves.

Amy




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 22:13:08 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:13:08 -0000
Subject: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling
In-Reply-To: <b7234h+mouj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b725tk+qqq4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:


Go back to last week and you will find some posts about Sweets and
British food sources with several links to sites in the US that have
British food. Look for posts by me about 'Sweets' and you will find
the links.

I remember seeing DeCaf tea on these websites. I don't remember seeing
Darjeeling though, but then I wasn't really looking for tea.

You can get Lipton tea in decaf and you may be able to find others in
a regular grocery stores, or check your local whole food coop store. 

Word to the wise, I have some instant Lipton DeCaf, sadly, it's like
sawdust. It's really nasty stuff. Although, I have never tried Lipton
Decaf tea bags, so I can't say anything about them. 

Just a suggestion.

bboy_mn





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 22:40:51 2003
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:40:51 -0000
Subject: Decaf Teabags (was:Re: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling)
In-Reply-To: <b725tk+qqq4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b727hj+pqqp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
<snip> 
> Word to the wise, I have some instant Lipton DeCaf, sadly, it's like
> sawdust. It's really nasty stuff. Although, I have never tried 
Lipton
> Decaf tea bags, so I can't say anything about them. 
> 
> Just a suggestion.
> 
> bboy_mn

Well, Red Rose decaf teabags taste every bit as good as the regular (I 
can't even tell them apart), and you get those adorable little animal 
figurines to boot!  :D

Annemehr





From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 22:52:09 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:52:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
In-Reply-To: <20030409003156.62700.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030409225209.22086.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>

Curt Angeli, in part:
> My question is:  I am looking for
> some good discussion topics.  Last
> year, we did name origins,
> animagi, comparisons of the
> Marauders and the trio + 1?, and
> rumors.  Obviously, this year,
> discussion will include the
> Order of the Phoenix, and we also
> are going to talk about the
> sorting hat and discrepencies
> (Hermione better in Ravenclaw,
> Percy in Slytherin?).  
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had any
> other good "beyond the book"
> topics that you think young people
> might find intruiging.  I consider
> myself pretty good in terms of the
> canon, but many of you are much
> better at interesting
> conversations and debates.

Say, have you considered letting 
the kids come up with some of the 
topics this year?  If you were to 
collect some ideas from the kids 
from the very beginning, you can 
always supplement your own take on 
the topics with research into the 
archives of the main HPFGU list 
before you schedule the discussions.
  
I would personally love to hear what 
the kids suggest spontaneously 
(without any kind of prompting from 
adults), especially the kids in that 
age group.  <hint...hint>  Betcha 
you'll get some very interesting 
ideas.

Also, I would imagine that the kids 
from last year might have shown some 
interest in certain issues or topics 
that you can pursue further this year 
in addition to what you did last year.  
You can of course always plumb the 
archives of the main list for either 
new ideas or further thoughts on ideas 
youve already done in class before.

Then theres the structured threads 
from about a year ago that were built 
around the discussion questions at the 
end of Philip Nel's book.  If you 
hadnt looked at those yet, heres the 
start of them:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
HPforGrownups/message/37242

As far as "beyond the book" topics, Id 
suggest nudging the kids toward thinking 
about how what they enjoyed about Harry 
Potter might apply to other stories that 
they are exposed to, such as other books 
for 'children' and movies etc.  Besides 
the usual (Chronicles of Narnia and Lord 
of the Rings), you might consider some 
of Eva Ibbotsons books since they have 
themes and sense of humor in common with 
the HP books.

One book that I dont hear a lot about 
is Paul Gallicos Manx Mouse, which I 
checked out of the library after reading 
somewhere JKRs recommendation of it.  
It's lovely, uplifting and worth a 
read.

If you pursue this line of thinking, 
you might find this old post of mine of 
some interest esp. since Ive put most 
of my thoughts about Eva Ibbotsons 
The Secret of Platform 13 as compared 
to HP in it.  Its my first post as 
Petra Pan from about a year ago.  :)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
HPforGrownups/message/37257

Also, recently I stumbled upon a book 
by Richard Barber and Anne Riches 
entitled "A Dictionary of Fabulous 
Beasts."  Theres some overlap with 
JKRs FB&WtFT which would be 
interesting enough on its own for 
compare and contrast (well, maybe not 
for the 4th graders) but it also covers 
a lot of creatures mentioned in canon 
but not in FB&WtFT.  Be sure to check 
out the definition of the bicorne... :)  
And in deference to OotP, you might 
check out this books entry on the 
phoenix.

As far as filmed stories that could 
figure into the conversation, 
theres Star Wars of course:

"Never. I'll never turn to the 
Dark Side!"

The Princess Bride also comes 
immediately to mind:

"Hello, my name is [Harry Potter]. 
You killed my father [and mother]: 
prepare to die. Now, offer me money
...power too [and immortality.] 
Promise me that...Offer me everything 
I ask for."

"Anything you want."

"I want my [parents] back, you 
son-of-a-b*tch."

     *     *

"When I was your age, television was 
called, books."

     *     *

"Is this a KISSING book?!?"

     *     *

"You mean, you'll put down your rock and 
I'll put down my sword and we'll try and 
kill each other like civilized people?"

     *     *

"My way is not very sportsmanlike."

     *     *

"In the meantime, rest well and dream of 
large women."

     *     *

"You are trying to take what I have 
rightfully stolen!"

     *     *

"I'm not a Witch; I'm your wife!  And 
after what you just said, I'm not even 
sure I want to be that any more!"

     *     *

"It just so happens that your friend 
here is only mostly dead. There's a big 
difference between mostly dead and all dead."

     *     *

"Bye-bye boys!"

"Have fun storming the castle!"

     *     *

more at http://us.imdb.com/Quotes?0093779

Hmm...<light dawns>...*WILLIAM GOLDMAN* 
is the one who should be adapting the 
HP books for the big screen!

Petra
a
n  :)

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From john at queerasjohn.com  Wed Apr  9 23:06:25 2003
From: john at queerasjohn.com (Queer as John)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:06:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Decaf Teabags (was:Re: ISO caffeine-free
	Darjeeling)
In-Reply-To: <b727hj+pqqp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BABA6601.BF26%john@queerasjohn.com>

annemehr said:

> Well, Red Rose decaf teabags taste every bit as good as the regular (I
> can't even tell them apart), and you get those adorable little animal
> figurines to boot!  :D

((Warning: dry British humour ahead, not intended to be offensive))

You know, I think that's the first time that anyone's ever used "Red Rose",
"taste" and "good" int he same sentence. *chuckles* Sorry. I am far too
British and tea-snobby for my own good -- and I do actually have a massive
collection of those little pottery animals from when I was four. (Not that I
was drinking tea back then, of course -- I'm not *that* British!)

--John

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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 23:19:56 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:19:56 -0000
Subject: Decaf Teabags (was:Re: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling)
In-Reply-To: <BABA6601.BF26%john@queerasjohn.com>
Message-ID: <b729qs+o16l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Queer as John <john at q...> 
wrote:
> annemehr said:
> 
> > Well, Red Rose decaf teabags taste every bit as good as the 
regular (I
> > can't even tell them apart), and you get those adorable little 
animal
> > figurines to boot!  :D
> 
> ((Warning: dry British humour ahead, not intended to be offensive))
> 
> You know, I think that's the first time that anyone's ever 
used "Red Rose",
> "taste" and "good" int he same sentence. *chuckles* Sorry. I am far 
too
> British and tea-snobby for my own good -- and I do actually have a 
massive
> collection of those little pottery animals from when I was four. 
(Not that I
> was drinking tea back then, of course -- I'm not *that* British!)
> 
> --John
> 

For supermarket-bought tea, Red Rose is the best I have come across.
I cannot comment on the caffein-free version, though.  I have no 
experience.

Haggridd (who has only recently found out there were grades of tea 
quality beyond orange pekoe) 






From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 00:41:07 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:41:07 -0000
Subject: Decaf Teabags (was:Re: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling)
In-Reply-To: <b729qs+o16l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b72ej3+3f5s@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:

> For supermarket-bought tea, Red Rose is the best I have come across.

I am fairly tea-snobby, though I'm sure I don't approach the British 
standard, and the other day I was offered tea at someone's home and, 
seeing the box of teabags, braced myself for an unspectacular tea-
drinking experience.  And you know, that Red Rose tea was very good.  
I'll never drink Lipton again.  

For all I know I should be using another kind of tea altogether.  But 
the friend who gave me the recipe for chai said to use Darjeeling, 
and it does taste just like the stuff I got on the street in India 
(though if you really want the full experience you have to drink it 
out of barely-fired terra cotta cups that release a slight clayey 
taste along with the spices), so I'm not messing with it.  In fact, 
now I'm wondering if taking the caffeine out will ruin the taste.

Amy




From boggles at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 10 01:14:45 2003
From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:14:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling
In-Reply-To: <b725tk+qqq4@eGroups.com>
References: <b725tk+qqq4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f00baba7591101a@[192.168.1.100]>

At 10:13 PM +0000 4/9/03, Steve wrote:
>
>You can get Lipton tea in decaf and you may be able to find others in
>a regular grocery stores, or check your local whole food coop store.

IMHO the Lipton decaf teabags are okay for iced tea, but not terribly 
good for hot.  (I prefer Luzianne for iced, but then (a) I'm too 
Southern for my own good, and (b) I drop a couple of teabags of 
Mandarin Orange Sipce in there too, so what do I know?)

-- 

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act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. "
	- Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808.



From urbana at charter.net  Thu Apr 10 04:10:33 2003
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:10:33 -0000
Subject: Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
In-Reply-To: <20030409225209.22086.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b72qrp+13ro@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan <ms_petra_pan at y...> 
wrote:
> Hmm...<light dawns>...*WILLIAM GOLDMAN* 
> is the one who should be adapting the 
> HP books for the big screen!
> 
>
OMIGOD, YES!!!! 

Actually I read a cute one-shot HP/Princess Bride crossover recently 
on Fictionalley.org. I can't recall the name of it, or the author, but
the writing was decent if not great. I just kept imagining Mandy 
Patinkin wandering through it saying, "My name ees Inigo Montoya. You 
killed my father. Prepare to die!"

Anne U
(and of course Wallace Shawn, who I still think should be cast as 
Peter Pettigrew... and the swamp... and the Rats of Unimaginable 
Size... and...  ;-)





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 04:58:22 2003
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:58:22 -0000
Subject: Decaf Teabags (was:Re: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling)
In-Reply-To: <BABA6601.BF26%john@queerasjohn.com>
Message-ID: <b72tle+sesd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Queer as John <john at q...> 
wrote:

> You know, I think that's the first time that anyone's ever used "Red 
Rose",
> "taste" and "good" int he same sentence. *chuckles* Sorry. 

Wellll....

Actually, I tried a tea called "Earl Grey" once and didn't like it 
much, but it was some big brand's Earl Grey (probably Bigelow -- you 
get it in supermarkets all over the US, and they have about 30 
different varieties), so I don't know whether it was truly Earl Grey 
or just some bogus gen-u-ine imitation facsimile of Earl Grey...

Anyway, I'm certainly not an expert on tea, so I may as well just 
leave all the good stuff for you who are.  I'm usually more of a 
coffee-drinker -- and I insist on 100% Colombian!  Now, if I could 
just find some shade-grown 100% Colombian, it would be perfect.

Annemehr
who likes British humor very much




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 07:11:00 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic writer humor - OT but strangely appropriate
In-Reply-To: <b6srk5+4tv0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030410071100.252.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com>

Funny link!!! I loved it!! I have the trouble of , when, in an passionate moment, I just might scream out "OH! Lucius!!!"  So I have to keep quiet! I read  WAY  too much Slash. Oh Dear. Alex Fox-Malfoy southernscotland <southernscotland at yahoo.com> wrote:Hi, guys!

I was surfing in another fandom (well, okay, Star Trek) when I found 
this list, called "You Know You've Been Writing Too Much Fanfic 
When...". It's about Star Trek, but you know, some of it is 
strangely appropriate for us Potter fans. Hmmm...

If you write fanfic, heck, if you even read fanfic, I think you 
might enjoy it. Here's the link:

http://scifi.about.com/bltoomuchfanfic.htm


lilahp (who is wondering why some of these entries seem so familiar 
to her)


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From briony_coote at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 10 08:43:17 2003
From: briony_coote at hotmail.com (Briony Coote)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:43:17 +1200
Subject: Query about fanfics
Message-ID: <000001c2ff3d$3b5c7c40$1d92fea9@oemcomputer>

I would like to know if there are any fanfics chronicling the events
between Sirius' escape and the Fat Lady incident, or Sirius' attempts to
get Pettigrew the rat prior to the Shrieking Shack events.  Thank you
for any assistance.
 
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From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Apr 10 09:57:32 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:57:32 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Query about fanfics
Message-ID: <ae.3d91c5f4.2bc69a0c@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/10/2003 4:40:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
briony_coote at hotmail.com writes:

> I would like to know if there are any fanfics chronicling the events
> between Sirius' escape and the Fat Lady incident, or Sirius' attempts to
> get Pettigrew the rat prior to the Shrieking Shack events.  Thank you
> for any assistance.

You might want to look through FictionAlley's "Fics Sorted By Era" section, 
especially Character Pasts 
(http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?&
threadid=8862) or MWPP 
(http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?&
threadid=305), or check out the Sirius fic list 
(http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?&
threadid=290) or the Sirius Discussion Threads in <A HREF="http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?&forumid=57">
http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?&
forumid=57</A>. 

Good luck and enjoy!


Heidi


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From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 10:31:00 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:31:00 -0000
Subject: DOOM (So OT it isn't even funny)
Message-ID: <b73h54+ejmh@eGroups.com>

 Well. I guess the divorce papers will say "Alienation Of Affection" 
and will be aimed at JKR. I have a choice . HP or him. Guess which 
one I pick. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever been 
through, and trust me I have been through a stabbing, and a near 
death beating from previous husbands. Damn! I can pick them! It's 
funny but HP is something that I stand up for! He is jealous of the 
people that I talk to in my message groups! That is nuts!
 I will not allow someone to take something that I love, and squash 
it, ruin it for me. That is emotional abuse. Sorry for the rant.Just 
needed to.

Alex Fox-Malfoy




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 17:15:55 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:15:55 -0000
Subject: Intense Distress
Message-ID: <b748sb+a593@eGroups.com>

Not to worry, no OoP spoilers here, because I absolutely, positively, 
*refuse* to read that Scholastic summary.  Why, oh, why did 
Scholastic do this to us???  I just can't believe that our beloved 
JKR approved this - she who goes to such great lengths in interviews 
and through pre-publication lock-down to avoid having any details 
released.

I am intensely distressed.

Thanks for listening,
Phyllis




From julia at thequiltbug.com  Thu Apr 10 17:23:17 2003
From: julia at thequiltbug.com (Calliope)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Intense Distress
Message-ID: <20030410102317.27253.h009.c011.wm@mail.thequiltbug.com.criticalpath.net>

"erisedstraeh2002" wrote:

>I just can't believe that our beloved 
>JKR approved this - she who goes to such great lengths in interviews 
>and through pre-publication lock-down to avoid having any details 
>released.

It looks to me like it's a catalog sent to bookstores/dealers to order stock for
their store, or to libraries (because of the different binding types availible,
and by the technical stuff listed at the bottom of the page about how many books
are in a carton and stuff like that).  If so, JKR wouldn't have a whole lot of
say in whether or not her book was listed in the catalog.  That's really out of
her control.

--Calliope

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Calliopes_fics/
http://www.thedarkarts.org/authorLinks/Calliope/
http://www.riddikulus.org/authorLinks/Calliope/



From rainbow at rainbowbrite.net  Thu Apr 10 18:43:00 2003
From: rainbow at rainbowbrite.net (Katy Cartee)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:43:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Intense Distress
References: <b748sb+a593@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004901c2ff91$03948100$2302a8c0@sysonline.com>

Phyllis writes:

> Not to worry, no OoP spoilers here, because I absolutely, positively, 
> *refuse* to read that Scholastic summary.  Why, oh, why did 
> Scholastic do this to us???  I just can't believe that our beloved 
> JKR approved this - she who goes to such great lengths in interviews 
> and through pre-publication lock-down to avoid having any details 
> released. I am intensely distressed.

I'm not sure why this is distressing you so. No real details are given away...it's a summary and that's all. It vaguely hints at a few things, but nothing essential...nothing that would "give it away" so to speak. They're simply trying to make our mouths water a little more for the real thing...and they've effectively done that from all the new discussions that have arisen from it. Don't worry, there is still PLENTY to be discovered from reading the actual book.

~Katy~

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From jmholmes at breckcomm.com  Thu Apr 10 17:28:32 2003
From: jmholmes at breckcomm.com (Julie Holmes)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:28:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Intense Distress
References: <b748sb+a593@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <010e01c2ff86$9c37d340$6401a8c0@arvada1.co.home.com>

<----- Original Message -----
From: erisedstraeh2002 >

<Not to worry, no OoP spoilers here, because I absolutely, positively,
*refuse* to read that Scholastic summary.  Why, oh, why did
Scholastic do this to us???  I just can't believe that our beloved
JKR approved this - she who goes to such great lengths in interviews
and through pre-publication lock-down to avoid having any details
released.>

Having read the spoilers (and don't worry, I shall say no more than that!) I
didn't find them to be particularly insightful. They were certainly NOTHING
that would hint at the adventure that awaits. One was something I expected
anyway, the others were fairly staid.

Anyhow, regarding Scholastic. First of all, I think the summary was leaked--
perhaps from a catalog that wasn't planned for release until after OotP was
published (after June 21, that is). Also, Scholastic sponsors the most
popular book clubs here in the US through the schools. Heck, I remember
anticipating my Scholastic book order when *I* was in elementary school
(anyone else remember Dynamite magazine?). Having a daughter in
Kindergarten, I get the book order forms and Harry Potter is a big part of
the Scholastic book club. So I imagine the book had to be synopsized (albeit
just hints) for their order forms. I'm betting the catalog that was leaked
to the Leaky Cauldron wasn't supposed to be available until mid-summer,
perhaps?


. ')
..) .*)
(. (. .
..*`-SLYTHERINCESS*`-
(.

"Every night the fabulous jewels made of sky brilliants - the stars -
flicker above people's
 heads. They have decorated the night sky for thousands of years, none of
them
disappearing.  Why? Because there, in the sky,  waits an eternally awakened
dragon,
who guards them.... ')
                            ..) .*)
                           (. (. .
                                     ..*`- DRACO*`-
                                    (.





From illyana at mindspring.com  Thu Apr 10 20:17:12 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:17:12 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ISO caffeine-free Darjeeling
In-Reply-To: <b7234h+mouj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6A42F656-6B91-11D7-B24A-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>


On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 02:25  , Amy Z wrote:

>
> Thank you! They don't have decaf Darjeeling, but they do have an
> impressive assortment. Now I'm very curious about what "Earl Greyer"
> tea is.

I think it's just their name for Earl Grey - I've had it and it doesn't 
taste very different than any other Earl Grey!

illyana

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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 21:26:49 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:26:49 -0000
Subject: Intense Distress
In-Reply-To: <b748sb+a593@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b74nip+s9n0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "erisedstraeh2002"
<erisedstraeh2002 at y...> wrote:
> Not to worry, no OoP spoilers here, because I absolutely, positively, 
> *refuse* to read that Scholastic summary.  Why, oh, why did 
> Scholastic do this to us???  I just can't believe that our beloved 
> JKR approved this - she who goes to such great lengths in interviews 
> and through pre-publication lock-down to avoid having any details 
> released.
> 
> I am intensely distressed.
> 
> Thanks for listening,
> Phyllis

bboy_mn:

So, does this mean you close your eyes during the previews of coming
attractions when you are at the movies? 

This really isn't even a summary, it's more like a teaser. 

It's one paragraphs of three sentences, one paragraph of two
sentences, and three paragraphs of one sentence each, plus a quote of
Dumbledore from the previous book, and a list of four short teaser
phrases; one of which is "...what every student dreads: end-of-term
Ordinary Wizarding Level exams". I don't feel bad giving you this one
because everyone who has ever read the books all ready knows it.

I certainly respect your desire and choice not to read this
imformation, but this is information that was made public by an
official source, the publisher, it's not some secret inside
information about the details of the story. 

Like all teasers, it's enough to wet your appetite, but not enough to
actually feed you anything.

Still it does give away one genuine plot point, plus the one I gave
you above, and the remaining two are vague teasers.

bboy_mn





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Fri Apr 11 00:44:29 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:44:29 -0500
Subject: anyone here get Scholastic/Bloomsbury catalogs?
References: <20030410195047.45251.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009501c2ffc3$837f7870$03a3cdd1@RVotaw>

Petra wrote:

> Thanks for the info - it's good to know.  Though I'm curious to find out if 
> this means kids (and librarians) can't order from a Scholastic catalog the most 
> popular title that Scholastic sells and still get it around its release date.  
> That just doesn't seem quite right...wouldn't the catalogs be arriving around 
> now so the orders can be placed by customers and processed by Scholastic in 
> time for June 21st?  I can't remember - it's been ages.

Well, though I teach first grade, I order (for myself) from several of the age group catalogs.  Meaning the monthly ones that teachers distribute to students monthly.  Anyway, every time I place an order online, the order confirmation prints out with an ad to reserve your copy of OOP etc.  However, most US schools are out by June 21st.  Which presents something of a problem.  Book orders always ship to the school and the teacher distributes the books to the student.  So I really doubt they'll do orders that way.  I haven't gotten my June order forms yet, though, to know for certain (June is always the last month Scholastic does, it's usually a sort of clearance sale).  Of course, the Scholastic book fair is offering the books for you to preorder, but you have to pick them up at a Scholastic warehouse or a bookstore.  Interesting thought, I suppose they could do the same thing through the June order form--and just send a certificate to pick up the book.  Have to wait and see, I guess!

Richelle


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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Apr 11 14:23:23 2003
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:23:23 -0000
Subject: Poisoned Honey (not OOP)
Message-ID: <b76j4r+1qr0@eGroups.com>


Various clippings culled from a Google on the phrase "poisoned honey"

FROM THE MASTER


"... the scholar's mouth that compliments another scholar is a jar of 
poisoned honey." 

-	Viktor Hugo, Notre-Dame de Paris (1831) ? Translated into 
English as The Hunchback of Notre Dame 

A MINOR MASTER

But the love wherewith VENUS' son hath injuriously made spoil of 
thousands, is a cruel Tyrant: occasion of sighs, oracle of lies, 
enemy of pity, way of error, shape of inconstancy, temple of treason, 
faith without assurance, monarch of tears, murderer of ease, prison 
of hearts, monster of Nature, poisoned honey, impudent courtezan, 
furious bastard: and in one word, not Love. 
Thus, Reader, take heed thou err not! Esteem Love as thou ought! 

     - Giles Fletcher (contemporary of Shakespeare, introduction to 
his sonnets, Sept. 8 1593


POISONED HONEY AND JIHAD

>From Al-Islam (Kid's section)

http://www.al-islam.org/gallery/kids/Books/companion9/14.htm

The man agreed to Mu'awiyah's plan. He took the poisoned honey. He 
was looking forward to Malik's arrival. 

After only a few days, Malik arrived in al-Qilzim City. The man 
invited the new ruler of Egypt for lunch in his house. Malik al-
Ashtar accepted the invitation thankfully.

The man put the cup of the poisoned honey on the table. The guest 
took one spoon of the poisoned honey. He felt a severe pain in his 
stomach. He realized the plot. So, he put his hand on his belly and 
said:

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
We belong to Allah, and we'll come back to Him!

Malik al-Ashtar received death with the bravery of the certain 
believer, who knew that his way was Islam and the Paradise

..

Thus, Malik al-Ashtar ended his life in Jihad. His bright behavior 
will remain as a model for the Muslim young men everywhere!


NOT GOOD FOR CHILDREN

>From Wikipedia:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey

There are stories that poisoned honey was used in warfare in ancient 
times, but they are unverifiable. 

Honey is also potentially extremely dangerous for infants. This is 
because it may contain small quantities of botulinum spores. While 
these spores are harmless to adults, an infant's digestive system is 
not yet developed enough to destroy them, and the spores could 
potentially cause infant botulism. For this reason, it is advised 
that honey should NOT be given to children under the age of 18 
months. This especially applies to unpasturised or 'raw' honey, which 
has not been heat-treated.

NOT GOOD FOR CHILDREN (WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS)
>From Brian Turner's medieval-fantasy epic The Chronicles of Empire
http://www.chroniclesofempire.net/library/mythsandtales/curseoferemych
us.htm

Now, Salipides had a brother named Taleminis who had plotted to kill 
the king of the city of Xios, being Emithos, he himself a general and 
a usurper of the previous ruler. King Emithos soon found out about 
the conspiracy and so sent poison, all disguised within a bottle of 
sweetest honey, to the household of every man he then suspected. 
Taleminis himself fed the whole to his family on bread, and they all 
perished for the iniquities of the father. When the same was sent to 
the household of Salipides, it was his wife Alina who took charge of 
the gift, her husband being out hunting, and bearing this seeming 
prize and being unselfish as a mother, she fed the whole of the 
poisoned honey to her new born son Eremychus. Eremychus, being born 
of the Great God Xios, was thus immortal, and the honey affected him 
not. Yet soon the scheme of Emithos came to be known, and when 
Salipides returned and heard that his wife Alina had fed poison to 
their son, he tore at his hair and beat her unconscious out of fear 
and his grief. When, however, he found his son unharmed, he marvelled 
and then demanded the whole story from his wife, asking why he was so 
unaffected when the poisoned honey had killed so many others, not 
least his own brother's family. And so it was that Alina admitted to 
her dream the night before her wedding, and her long suspicion that 
her child was one of Xios' offspring, and now it was proved to her 
without any doubt. Salipides, for his own part, was shocked, and both 
thankful yet mournful, for although the child lived, and was a 
progeny of the gods, alas it was not his own son. Praising Xios for 
the gift, he sacrificed the best hundred of his oxen in the name of 
Xios, and then begged for a son of his own to carry his own families' 
name. And so it was, in time, Alina became pregnant again and soon 
gave birth to a second boy, a wholly human child, whom was named 
Anithimones, and who was two years younger than his brother Eremychus.

NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT

An anecdote about Diogenes, fabled seeker of honesty and truth:

http://seraph.rooms.rubberrooms.net/Diogenes.txt

Diogenes stood outside a brothel, shouting, "A beautiful whore
is like poisoned honey!  A beautiful whore is like poisoned
honey!  A beautiful whore . . . ".    Men entering the house
threw him a coin or two to shut him up.  Eventually Diogenes had
collected enough money and he too went into the brothel.

BUMBLEBEES RUMBLE!

>From an essay "WAR AND BEES-- military applications of apiculture" by 
Conrad Berube

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/
general/bees_history/bee_war.txt


Of course, there are plenty of instances when bees have been used
in the more obvious way, as "meat-seeking missiles"... The
Romans, for instance, instead of employing the subterfuge of
poisoned honey simply sent beehives catapulting into the ranks or
fortifications of their enemies.  The unleashed fury of the bees,
enraged when their hives were smashed, is credited with being the
decisive stroke of more than one battle.  Turn-about being fair
play the Dacians, of what is today Romania, defeated the armored
legions of Rome, at least temporarily, with their own salvo of
skeps*.

FUTURE FILK SONG 

from a review of Atomic Mint, a Bay Area band:

WITH A NEWLY POLISHED look and a refined modern-rock sound, local 
trio Atomic Mint (featuring vocalist and guitarist Brianna, 
percussionist Amadeo Donofrio and new bassist Misha Guiffre) has 
really switched gears since its early effort
.. Even louder cuts 
include the heavy "Sweet Poisoned Honey" (which was featured recently 
on KSJO's Home Grown show) 

An MP3 is here:

http://www.atomicmint.com/media.html

SORCERY & BLACK ARTS = POISONED HONEY

In his beautiful and haunting book, Magic Prague Angelo Maria 
Ripellino quotes Franz Kafka: "Prague does not let go
..The old crone 
has claws. One has to yield or else." (pp 5-6). Ripellino adds: 
Most of all Prague is a breeding ground for phantoms, an arena of 
sorcery...It is a trap which - once it takes hold with its mists, its 
black arts, its poisoned honey - does not let go, does not forgive 
(p. 6). 

http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/bassr/511/projects/steigman/final/pr
agator.htm


NOW EVEN LESS THAN VERY LITTLE BRAIN
..

http://www.park-ridge.il.us/library/may2000prose.html
 
 Today, is a day to go down in history, not as a depressing one. 
Winnie-the-Pooh, a friend of children all ages, has died today, 
November 14, of poisoned honey. He simply ate the honey, and was 
found in his home dead in the afternoon

Children everywhere think 
back on Winnie with fond memories and tears in their eyes.

    - CMC





From jrpessin at mail.millikin.edu  Fri Apr 11 14:42:43 2003
From: jrpessin at mail.millikin.edu (Jonathan Pessin)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:42:43 -0500
Subject: Good Discussion Ideas for Harry Potter Class?
Message-ID: <se968e23.011@mail.millikin.edu>

Petra wrote:

Hmm...<light dawns>...*WILLIAM GOLDMAN* 
is the one who should be adapting the 
HP books for the big screen!

I reply:

William Goldman?  INCONCIEVABLE!!  The Princess Bride is one of, if not THE, best movies I've ever seen.  I just recently got the book (by William Goldman), and it's just as fun.  Oh, and if you're looking for other fantasies to compare with HP, Lloyd Alexander's Prydain Chronicles are very fun.  They've got quite a few of the elements Harry Potter does: a hero that doesn't know he was a hero, an all-powerful evil wizard guy, and of course, the 3rd person-speaking servant (Gurgi wants some crunchings and munchings from kind master!).

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"You haven't been getting into the Gaffer's home brew again, have you?"
"No... Well, yes, but that's beside the point."
-Frodo and Bilbo Baggins, Fellowship of the Rings Extended Edition DVD




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Apr 12 01:32:24 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 01:32:24 -0000
Subject: DOOM (So OT it isn't even funny)
In-Reply-To: <b73h54+ejmh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b77qb8+bohj@eGroups.com>

Oh, dear, I'm sorry to hear that you're in position to say 
"DOOM" (because I'd rather you were happy), but it seems to 
me that you're better off without the jerk (unless that 
causes financial problems).

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alex fox" <trinity61us at y...> 
wrote:
>  Well. I guess the divorce papers will say "Alienation Of 
> Affection" and will be aimed at JKR.

What you've said about him before makes him sound not exactly nice to 
have around...  but in this matter, he may have a point. I mean, it 
was *you* who just mentioned having to be careful in, um, moments of 
delight not to cry out "Oh, Lucius!"

> I have a choice . HP or him. Guess which 
> one I pick. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever been 
> through, and trust me I have been through a stabbing, and a near 
> death beating from previous husbands. Damn! I can pick them! 

Oh. No wonder you fancy Lucius. He fits right in with the rest of 
your men.





From buffyeton at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 12 03:07:40 2003
From: buffyeton at yahoo.com (etonbuffy)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:07:40 -0000
Subject: Look for a certain fic
Message-ID: <b77vts+1rj2@eGroups.com>

I'm wondering if anyone knows of a fanfic that has Harry orriginally 
sorted into Slytherin and making friends with Draco etc???  I think 
it would be an interesting read.  Or if no one has written a fic like 
that a great topic to start.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Apr 12 03:57:00 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:57:00 -0000
Subject: Look for a certain fic
In-Reply-To: <b77vts+1rj2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b782qc+jlj1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "etonbuffy" <buffyeton at y...> 
wrote:
> I'm wondering if anyone knows of a fanfic that has Harry orriginally 
> sorted into Slytherin and making friends with Draco etc???  I think 
> it would be an interesting read.  Or if no one has written a fic 
> like that a great topic to start.

I *think* it's SLYTHERIN RISING by J. L. Matthews, or possibly 
SLYTHERIN PRIDE by someone else. 




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Apr 12 12:29:11 2003
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:29:11 -0000
Subject: Look for a certain fic
In-Reply-To: <b782qc+jlj1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b790qn+rbg5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "etonbuffy" wrote:
> > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a fanfic that has Harry
> > orriginally sorted into Slytherin and making friends with Draco
> > etc???  I think it would be an interesting read.  Or if no one
> > has written a fic like that a great topic to start.
> 
> I *think* it's SLYTHERIN RISING by J. L. Matthews, or possibly 
> SLYTHERIN PRIDE by someone else.

Harry is not sorted into Slytherin in Slytherin Rising - That story 
is centred on four original characters in Slythern (all girls).  
Slytherin Pride by Rhysenn does have him sorted into Slytherin, and 
making friends with Draco - that story, however, is not finished, and 
I believe Rhysenn has shelved plans to finish it.  It can be found at
http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=118490

Most likely other people have written stories on a similar topic.  I 
would also say that Barb's Psychic Serpent trilogy might resonate 
with you - even if it does not have Harry sorted into house 
Slytherin, it does have themes which might resonate with those liking 
stories setting Harry in Slytherin - her stories can be found at
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb/
Correct reading-order would be "Harry Potter and the Psychic 
Serpent", "Harry Potter and the Time of Good Intentions", and "Harry 
Potter and the Triangle Prophecy", with "The Lost Generation" not 
being connected to the others.

Best regards
Christian Stub?
"Iraq will not be defeated. Iraq has now already achieved victory - 
apart from some technicalities."
- Mohsen Khalil, Iraqi Ambassador to the Arab League




From ZaraLyon at aol.com  Sat Apr 12 18:58:56 2003
From: ZaraLyon at aol.com (aurigae_prime)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:58:56 -0000
Subject: Look for a certain fic
In-Reply-To: <b790qn+rbg5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b79nlg+dr10@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pengolodh_sc" 
<pengolodh_sc at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "etonbuffy" wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a fanfic that has Harry
> > > orriginally sorted into Slytherin and making friends with Draco
> > > etc???  I think it would be an interesting read.  Or if no one
> > > has written a fic like that a great topic to start.
> > 
> > I *think* it's SLYTHERIN RISING by J. L. Matthews, or possibly 
> > SLYTHERIN PRIDE by someone else.
> 
> Harry is not sorted into Slytherin in Slytherin Rising - That story 
> is centred on four original characters in Slythern (all girls).  
> Slytherin Pride by Rhysenn does have him sorted into Slytherin, and 
> making friends with Draco - that story, however, is not finished, 
and 
> I believe Rhysenn has shelved plans to finish it.  It can be found 
at
> http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=118490
> 
> Most likely other people have written stories on a similar topic.  

I know there's a story called "And the Hat Said 'Slytherin'" 
somewhere, although I couldn't find it in a search of FictionAlley. I 
believe it's about Harry being put in Slytherin, though I'm not sure 
if it turns into Harry/Draco slash later. Those "Harry in Slytherin" 
stories seem to do that. At any rate, hope that helps!

Rhiannon




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Apr 12 19:23:51 2003
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:23:51 -0000
Subject: Look for a certain fic
In-Reply-To: <b79nlg+dr10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b79p47+s409@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "aurigae_prime" wrote:
[snip]
> I know there's a story called "And the Hat Said 'Slytherin'" 
> somewhere, although I couldn't find it in a search of
> FictionAlley. I believe it's about Harry being put in Slytherin,
> though I'm not sure if it turns into Harry/Draco slash later.
> Those "Harry in Slytherin" stories seem to do that. At any rate,
> hope that helps!
> 
> Rhiannon

There is a large number of fanfics which are not archived at 
FictionAlley, or which have not been fully transferred there - a good 
many of those are archived at fanfiction.net.  Doing a search for the 
words of the title, I came up with the author VMorticia:
http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=166439
The author has a series of seven long fanfics called "And the Hat 
Said Slytherin", one each for Harry's year it seems.  She also has 
part of these stories, but not all, put up at Schnoogle.com:
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/VMorticia/

While Rhysenn is a very noted slash-author, she also writes het and 
gen, and "Slytherin Pride" is among the latter.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From swav at gwu.edu  Sat Apr 12 21:21:48 2003
From: swav at gwu.edu (jbadreamer)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:21:48 -0000
Subject: Another Fanfic Query:  rule breaking fanfics
In-Reply-To: <ae.3d91c5f4.2bc69a0c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b7a01c+kl35@eGroups.com>

There seem to be some pretty basic and quasi universally 
accepted "rules" for good fanfic.  No obvious Mary Sues, no 
ridiculous super powers for characters, etc.  I'm wondering what you 
think are the best fan fics that break these rules and get away with 
it.  Much of the best fiction is what breaks convention and does the 
forbidden, I thought this might make an interesting thread.  Ina  
related question, who is your favorite fannon Mary Sue? (OC or VOC 
(virtually original character, cannon mentioned but not developed.)

Josh

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From thalia at aokp.org  Sat Apr 12 21:55:42 2003
From: thalia at aokp.org (chanteuse thalia chaunacy)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:55:42 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Fanfic Query:  rule breaking fanfics
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josh asked: who is your favorite fannon Mary Sue? 

heh, well there's always 'Of Fellytones & Fuzzy Slippers: A Love Story' 
by TheTreacleTart, but you're probably not looking for off the wall R/Hrm 
comedy. ;) http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1075938

thalia

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From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 12 22:45:03 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:45:03 -0000
Subject: Rule-breaking Fanfics
Message-ID: <b7a4tf+jv5f@eGroups.com>

>There seem to be some pretty basic and quasi universally 
>accepted "rules" for good fanfic. No obvious Mary Sues, no 
>ridiculous super powers for characters, etc. I'm wondering what you 
>think are the best fan fics that break these rules and get away with 
>it. 

Er, well, I may get murdered for saying this, and I don't especially 
want to get murdered, but do Cassie Claire's magids count as 
superheroes? 

And:

>In a related question, who is your favorite fannon Mary Sue? 

(Is *incredibly* tempted to say "Ebony's Angelina Johnson," for 
although Angelina is of course not an OC, we don't get all *that* 
great an impression of her from canon, and Eb's Angelina *so 
rocks*. . . )

But I certainly don't think she's a "Mary Sue," and I don't think she 
quite qualifies as even an OC anyway. : (



Derannimer




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 13 01:00:22 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Poisoned Honey (not OOP)
In-Reply-To: <b76j4r+1qr0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030413010022.35025.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com>

Wow! That was fascinating and informative!!  A lot to consider! Thank you! Alex Fox 
Caius Marcius <coriolan at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Various clippings culled from a Google on the phrase "poisoned honey"

FROM THE MASTER


"... the scholar's mouth that compliments another scholar is a jar of 
poisoned honey." 

-      Viktor Hugo, Notre-Dame de Paris (1831) ? Translated into 
English as The Hunchback of Notre Dame 

A MINOR MASTER

But the love wherewith VENUS' son hath injuriously made spoil of 
thousands, is a cruel Tyrant: occasion of sighs, oracle of lies, 
enemy of pity, way of error, shape of inconstancy, temple of treason, 
faith without assurance, monarch of tears, murderer of ease, prison 
of hearts, monster of Nature, poisoned honey, impudent courtezan, 
furious bastard: and in one word, not Love. 
Thus, Reader, take heed thou err not! Esteem Love as thou ought! 

     - Giles Fletcher (contemporary of Shakespeare, introduction to 
his sonnets, Sept. 8 1593


POISONED HONEY AND JIHAD

>From Al-Islam (Kid's section)

http://www.al-islam.org/gallery/kids/Books/companion9/14.htm

The man agreed to Mu'awiyah's plan. He took the poisoned honey. He 
was looking forward to Malik's arrival. 

After only a few days, Malik arrived in al-Qilzim City. The man 
invited the new ruler of Egypt for lunch in his house. Malik al-
Ashtar accepted the invitation thankfully.

The man put the cup of the poisoned honey on the table. The guest 
took one spoon of the poisoned honey. He felt a severe pain in his 
stomach. He realized the plot. So, he put his hand on his belly and 
said:

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
We belong to Allah, and we'll come back to Him!

Malik al-Ashtar received death with the bravery of the certain 
believer, who knew that his way was Islam and the Paradise??..

Thus, Malik al-Ashtar ended his life in Jihad. His bright behavior 
will remain as a model for the Muslim young men everywhere!


NOT GOOD FOR CHILDREN

>From Wikipedia:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey

There are stories that poisoned honey was used in warfare in ancient 
times, but they are unverifiable. 

Honey is also potentially extremely dangerous for infants. This is 
because it may contain small quantities of botulinum spores. While 
these spores are harmless to adults, an infant's digestive system is 
not yet developed enough to destroy them, and the spores could 
potentially cause infant botulism. For this reason, it is advised 
that honey should NOT be given to children under the age of 18 
months. This especially applies to unpasturised or 'raw' honey, which 
has not been heat-treated.

NOT GOOD FOR CHILDREN (WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS)
From Brian Turner's medieval-fantasy epic The Chronicles of Empire
http://www.chroniclesofempire.net/library/mythsandtales/curseoferemych
us.htm

Now, Salipides had a brother named Taleminis who had plotted to kill 
the king of the city of Xios, being Emithos, he himself a general and 
a usurper of the previous ruler. King Emithos soon found out about 
the conspiracy and so sent poison, all disguised within a bottle of 
sweetest honey, to the household of every man he then suspected. 
Taleminis himself fed the whole to his family on bread, and they all 
perished for the iniquities of the father. When the same was sent to 
the household of Salipides, it was his wife Alina who took charge of 
the gift, her husband being out hunting, and bearing this seeming 
prize and being unselfish as a mother, she fed the whole of the 
poisoned honey to her new born son Eremychus. Eremychus, being born 
of the Great God Xios, was thus immortal, and the honey affected him 
not. Yet soon the scheme of Emithos came to be known, and when 
Salipides returned and heard that his wife Alina had fed poison to 
their son, he tore at his hair and beat her unconscious out of fear 
and his grief. When, however, he found his son unharmed, he marvelled 
and then demanded the whole story from his wife, asking why he was so 
unaffected when the poisoned honey had killed so many others, not 
least his own brother's family. And so it was that Alina admitted to 
her dream the night before her wedding, and her long suspicion that 
her child was one of Xios' offspring, and now it was proved to her 
without any doubt. Salipides, for his own part, was shocked, and both 
thankful yet mournful, for although the child lived, and was a 
progeny of the gods, alas it was not his own son. Praising Xios for 
the gift, he sacrificed the best hundred of his oxen in the name of 
Xios, and then begged for a son of his own to carry his own families' 
name. And so it was, in time, Alina became pregnant again and soon 
gave birth to a second boy, a wholly human child, whom was named 
Anithimones, and who was two years younger than his brother Eremychus.

NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT

An anecdote about Diogenes, fabled seeker of honesty and truth:

http://seraph.rooms.rubberrooms.net/Diogenes.txt

Diogenes stood outside a brothel, shouting, "A beautiful whore
is like poisoned honey!  A beautiful whore is like poisoned
honey!  A beautiful whore . . . ".    Men entering the house
threw him a coin or two to shut him up.  Eventually Diogenes had
collected enough money and he too went into the brothel.

BUMBLEBEES RUMBLE!

>From an essay "WAR AND BEES-- military applications of apiculture" by 
Conrad Berube

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/
general/bees_history/bee_war.txt


Of course, there are plenty of instances when bees have been used
in the more obvious way, as "meat-seeking missiles"... The
Romans, for instance, instead of employing the subterfuge of
poisoned honey simply sent beehives catapulting into the ranks or
fortifications of their enemies.  The unleashed fury of the bees,
enraged when their hives were smashed, is credited with being the
decisive stroke of more than one battle.  Turn-about being fair
play the Dacians, of what is today Romania, defeated the armored
legions of Rome, at least temporarily, with their own salvo of
skeps*.

FUTURE FILK SONG 

from a review of Atomic Mint, a Bay Area band:

WITH A NEWLY POLISHED look and a refined modern-rock sound, local 
trio Atomic Mint (featuring vocalist and guitarist Brianna, 
percussionist Amadeo Donofrio and new bassist Misha Guiffre) has 
really switched gears since its early effort?.. Even louder cuts 
include the heavy "Sweet Poisoned Honey" (which was featured recently 
on KSJO's Home Grown show) 

An MP3 is here:

http://www.atomicmint.com/media.html

SORCERY & BLACK ARTS = POISONED HONEY

In his beautiful and haunting book, Magic Prague Angelo Maria 
Ripellino quotes Franz Kafka: "Prague does not let go?..The old crone 
has claws. One has to yield or else." (pp 5-6). Ripellino adds: 
Most of all Prague is a breeding ground for phantoms, an arena of 
sorcery...It is a trap which - once it takes hold with its mists, its 
black arts, its poisoned honey - does not let go, does not forgive 
(p. 6). 

http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/bassr/511/projects/steigman/final/pr
agator.htm


NOW EVEN LESS THAN VERY LITTLE BRAIN?..

http://www.park-ridge.il.us/library/may2000prose.html

Today, is a day to go down in history, not as a depressing one. 
Winnie-the-Pooh, a friend of children all ages, has died today, 
November 14, of poisoned honey. He simply ate the honey, and was 
found in his home dead in the afternoon??Children everywhere think 
back on Winnie with fond memories and tears in their eyes.

    - CMC



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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 13 03:36:38 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:36:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Rohinee!
Message-ID: <20030413033638.8426.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com>

*drags cake into the room and hopes no one notices how
late in the day it is*

Hope everyone is still here and up for a late night
party.

Today's birthday honouree is Rohinee. Birthday owls
can be sent to: Rohinee16 at hotmail.com

I hope you day was magical and filled with HP
goodness.

Happy Birthday, Rohinee!

Sheryll

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From kristen_tort at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 13 12:45:16 2003
From: kristen_tort at hotmail.com (Kristen)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:45:16 -0000
Subject: Newbie portal need?
Message-ID: <b7bm4s+p9tm@eGroups.com>

I realize this maybe OT for even the OT-Chatter list, but I need to 
bounce an HP related website idea off of all of you. I am new to the 
fandom (been active online for a month) and I obviously came in here 
knowing nothing about how the HP online community works. I don't by 
any means claim to be an expert now, but I have sucessfully navigated 
my way around and definitely have a feel for the fandom. 

I was wondering if a website that just kind of hit the high points of 
the "What's what" of the HP online fandom might be of interest. I 
suppose it could be used by anyone actually, but have it kind of 
geared to those who don't know where to go if they are an adult or a 
teen and want to discuss the books or where to find novel length fan 
fiction. I would plan to have links to places like TLC and 
mugglenet.com and maybe some fanfic recommendations and such. 

I haven't really drawn up an outline or anything. I just have been 
thinking about this for the past few days. For the past 5 years I 
have been very involved in the X Files fandom and there were several 
of those types of websites available. I haven't seen any for HP, but 
of course that doesn't mean they aren't out there. 

If this is a stupid idea or there are a million of these sites out 
there I apologize. If there is an interest, please let me know and 
maybe I can recruit a few "oldbies" to give me some insight to make 
my idea a reality. Thanks!

Kristen




From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Apr 13 13:29:25 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:29:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newbie portal need?
Message-ID: <mailman.39.1576049045.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

Kristin, it usually depends on how one enters the fandom. If you google and come across HPfGU.org.uk, you can read through the Bigfile and see resources to fanfic and TLC, among other things. If you get brought in via fanfic on FictionAlley, there's a link to our Newbie's Guide on every page. Sugarquill has a Portkey page, again with links to a variety of sites. If you start on the slash side, VeelaInc has a large and link-filled glossary. 


As one of the people who've worked on the FictionAlley Newbie's Guide, I know we're always looking for ways to improve it and make it more useful, but in part because the fandom is so large and sprawling and includes people from 7 to 70 (I'm also on staff at The Leaky Cauldron and I know what letters we get) it's hard to be fully comprehensive, which is one reason FA focuses on stuff that appeals to people over 13 and has a "reading level" that is generally higher still. But suggestions for things to add are definitely welcome either here or offlist. 

There have been effotrs made in the past by people like Ali Wildgoose of Diagon Alley to have webrings and lists of sites, and fandom-wide projects like Nimbus - 2003, the Letterbox Project of this spring and the 24,000$ raised by visitors to tlc back in December show that the fandom is happy to get together for projects at times. 

None of this is meant to say that a comprehensive Newbie's Guide isn't worth the work - I mean, I certainly hope FA's is comprehensive (see above) but it is a rather large project and yes, somewhat repetitious of things that do already exist in various incarnations. 


Heidi Tandy
*Ask me about Nimbus - 2003*
Http://www.hp2003.org 


-----Original Message-----
From: "Kristen" <kristen_tort at hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:45:16 
To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newbie portal need?

Real-To:  "Kristen" <kristen_tort at hotmail.com>

I realize this maybe OT for even the OT-Chatter list, but I need to 
bounce an HP related website idea off of all of you. I am new to the 
fandom (been active online for a month) and I obviously came in here 
knowing nothing about how the HP online community works. I don't by 
any means claim to be an expert now, but I have sucessfully navigated 
my way around and definitely have a feel for the fandom. 

I was wondering if a website that just kind of hit the high points of 
the "What's what" of the HP online fandom might be of interest. I 
suppose it could be used by anyone actually, but have it kind of 
geared to those who don't know where to go if they are an adult or a 
teen and want to discuss the books or where to find novel length fan 
fiction. I would plan to have links to places like TLC and 
mugglenet.com and maybe some fanfic recommendations and such. 

I haven't really drawn up an outline or anything. I just have been 
thinking about this for the past few days. For the past 5 years I 
have been very involved in the X Files fandom and there were several 
of those types of websites available. I haven't seen any for HP, but 
of course that doesn't mean they aren't out there. 

If this is a stupid idea or there are a million of these sites out 
there I apologize. If there is an interest, please let me know and 
maybe I can recruit a few "oldbies" to give me some insight to make 
my idea a reality. Thanks!

Kristen



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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 13 15:02:32 2003
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 13 Apr 2003 15:02:32 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sun Apr 13 16:15:39 2003
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:15:39 -0000
Subject: Another Fanfic Query:  rule breaking fanfics
In-Reply-To: <b7a01c+kl35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b7c2fb+nspv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jbadreamer" 
<swav at g...> wrote:
Josh asked:

> There seem to be some pretty basic and quasi universally 
> accepted "rules" for good fanfic.  No obvious Mary Sues, no 
> ridiculous super powers for characters, etc.  I'm wondering 
>what you  think are the best fan fics that break these rules and 
>get away with  it.  

RJ Anderson's brilliant Snape trilogy Darkness and Light has  a 
very well realized OC heroine. She  has an unusual substitute for 
eyes, though I'm not sure that qualifies as a super-power.

http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson/

Pippin




From kristen_tort at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 13 16:18:20 2003
From: kristen_tort at hotmail.com (Kristen)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:18:20 -0000
Subject: Newbie portal need?
Message-ID: <b7c2kc+so2c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidit at n...> 
wrote:
> Kristin, it usually depends on how one enters the fandom. 

<snip a lot of stuff that makes perfect sense>

You are absolutely right. All of that crossed my mind after I sent my 
post. I guess what I was thinking of was something NOT so 
comprehensive. But after reading your post, I don't think what I had 
in mind would be much more than a rough table of contents to all of 
the hard work you guys have already done!

But thanks for responding. That's why I asked. :)

By the way I never officially introduced myself. My name is Kristen 
and I am a 22 year old Accounting major in Birmingham, Alabama. These 
lists have been great; I have enjoyed my time here so far!

Cheers!

Kristen






From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Apr 14 00:02:06 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:02:06 -0000
Subject: Mostly about movie costumes
Message-ID: <b7ctpu+tiid@eGroups.com>

Past tense Happy Birthday to Rohinee. (Happied Bornday?)

On Friday, I saw a guy on a bus wearing a t-shirt whose lettering 
said 'League Champions' and 'Municipal Softball' but whose picture 
was a parody of the HP&SS cover -- those pillars, and the softball 
player was desperately stretched in some diagonal position, to 
resemble Harry on broomstick. I didn't offer to buy it off his back, 
so I can't show it to you.

Yesterday I went to FIDM to see the movie costumes (you can see last 
year's at http://www.fidm.edu/features/gallery/academy_2002/index.html 
altho' the photos are disappointing). Like last year, the LOTR 
costumes cast our movie's (and just about everyone's) costumes 
totally into the shade. So real! So detailed!

As last year I was disappointed that WB had not sent Snape's costume 
to FIDM (they didn't send it this year either), this year I was 
disappointed that the one of Lucius's costumes that WB sent was the 
one with probably the least silver on it, just a pair of snake 
cloak-clasps and another snake at his neck. His cloak was trimmed 
only with fur and his waistcoat was embroidered with red (matching 
the pinstripes of his anti-canonical Edwardian trousers) and nearly 
invisible green. He was wearing that absurd little fur cap that no 
one but Lucius Malfoy could have looked handsome and intimidating 
while wearing. Why did the costume designer design such a stupid hat?

Supposedly the mannequins on which the costumes are displayed are 
normal standard display mannequins (last year I fell in with a guided 
tour whose guide showed them that Nicole Kidman's (?) dresses from 
Moulin Rouge were too small for the mannequins because the mannequins 
were the standard size 4 and Kidman (?) is a size 1, damn her), but 
they somehow fix them up to resemble the actors (they imitate large 
hairdos, but not Dumbledore's beard, with ruffled paper) and the 
mannequin with the arrogant bearing (and handsome face) of Lucius 
Malfoy made it difficult to judge the costume as itself. Tim sneered 
at me viewing it with a pencil and various other purse-contents held 
in my field of vision to try to block out the mannequin, but I 
concluded that in this case, it was the MAN who made the CLOTHES: if 
Borgin had been wearing that outfit, he would still have been an 
obsequious shopkeeper, albeit one who spent a good bit of money on 
clothing.

Going ENTIRELY off-topic, I was struck by the costumes of the 
STARTREKNEMESIS movie -- I was struck by how cheap and hasty and 
unimaginative they looked, as if they'd been made for a weekly TV 
show episode instead of for a movie. I was PARTICULARLY struck by a 
pink ballgown for Troi -- it looked so much like a circa 1958-62 
prom dress that I asked Tim if it had been a time travel movie. One 
difference from that era is that it was decorated with LARGE 
arrangements of artifical flowers, in a Victorian or Regency kind 
of way.

At first I criticised the (otherwise pretty) flowers for being 
exactly positioned to block the places where a dance partner would 
normally put his hands during a waltz, foxtrot, or similar ballroom 
dance --- an arrangement of about a dozen pink roses, with the usual 
baby's breath, leaves, and other floral bulkage, trailed gracefully 
from waist to hip, with a smaller arrangement of some three full-
blown roses and their acoutrements at her opposite shoulder. But then 
I thought it might be intentional, and asked Tim if Troi can't stand 
to be touched, and might therefore have asked her dress designer to 
come up with a dress that would prevent dance partners from touching 
her.

But then, I am so very bad at knowing left and right, and not very 
knowledgeable about ballroom dancing either, that I could be entirely 
wrong about the flowers being an obstacle. 




From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Apr 14 02:55:43 2003
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:55:43 -0000
Subject: Crumpets
Message-ID: <b7d7vf+sanv@eGroups.com>

Remember that discussion a couple of weeks ago about muffins and 
related goodies?  Well, I complained that crumpets were impossible to 
find in the U.S. and someone suggested Trader Joes.  So, I went to 
Trader Joes and bought a few bags, and I am very happy.

I have been eating crumpets like crazy.  They are very yummy.  They 
are delicious with butter and jam.  They are also good with cheese 
and ham.  (Listen to me; I sound like Dr. Seuss -- I would in eat 
them in a box.  I would eat them with a fox.)

I can't remember who recommend Trader Joe's crumpets, but whoever it 
is gets the Joywitch Award for Yumminess.  Thanks.

--Joywitch




From morrigan at byz.org  Mon Apr 14 03:00:00 2003
From: morrigan at byz.org (Vicki)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:00:00 -0500
Subject: Crumpets
In-Reply-To: <b7d7vf+sanv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <OCEOIOOCLDBFPDHBBCEMCELOCNAA.morrigan@byz.org>

*grins*  That would be me!  I also have a bag of Trader Joe's crumpets right
now.  In my opinion, you have to get really *good* butter to have with them
(also available at TJ's).  Did you notice that they have cinnamon crumpets
too?  Personally I am not touching those with a 10-foot pole, despite the
fact that I love almost everything I've ever gotten at TJ.  That's just not
right.

Glad it was a good suggestion for you!

Vicki

> -----Original Message-----
> From:On Behalf Of joywitch_m_curmudgeon
> Remember that discussion a couple of weeks ago about muffins and
> related goodies?  Well, I complained that crumpets were impossible to
> find in the U.S. and someone suggested Trader Joes.  So, I went to
> Trader Joes and bought a few bags, and I am very happy.
>
> I have been eating crumpets like crazy.  They are very yummy.  They
> are delicious with butter and jam.  They are also good with cheese
> and ham.  (Listen to me; I sound like Dr. Seuss -- I would in eat
> them in a box.  I would eat them with a fox.)
>
> I can't remember who recommend Trader Joe's crumpets, but whoever it
> is gets the Joywitch Award for Yumminess.  Thanks.
>
> --Joywitch





From meckelburg at foni.net  Mon Apr 14 07:08:06 2003
From: meckelburg at foni.net (Mecki)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:08:06 -0000
Subject: The monsters strike again!
Message-ID: <b7dmom+r6tg@eGroups.com>

Hi!

I'm Andi, Mecki's husband.
Do you remember me? Last year in April I sent a death-notice to this 
group after my sons 3rd Birthday.
(Wife killed by little monsters)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/10422

And my wife added a totally exaggerated detail report.
(I'm dead)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/10424


Well, birthdays tend to repeat themselves once a year.
This year, unfortunately, April 11th was a Friday. Unfortunately 
because on Friday work stops at noon.
My selfish boss wanted to go on a weekend trip and refused to let me 
work late (sigh).
So this year I was at home when the monsters came!

And monsters they were indeed. Last year, despite my wife's 
description, they had been innocent 3-year olds, but now they were 
four! And the first year of kindergarten has changed everything. Now 
they knew what they were doing!
When both parents are available, boys at birthday-parties separate
the 
duties. Mums are responsible for food, drink, and general well-being. 
Dads however are responsible for the fun. They are used as a 
punching-ball, a motor for the tricycle, a horse, or an animator for 
organised games(and beware if you run out of ideas)
-- I'll ignore comments that my wife had to cope with BOTH chores for 
BOTH kids-birthdays in the last 2 years. (She's a MUM, that's her 
job!)

The noise was incredible, their speed very impressing, their
endurance 
amazing and I must admit I under-estimated the strength of their
fists 
and elbows(who says little kids fists don't hurt, it depends where 
they hit, doesn't it?).

Luckily, my wife had made a list of games suitable for small children 
and had purchased the prizes needed, thus showing more intelligence I 
had expected of her ( as I had remarked in my previous letter, I did 
expect her being an extreme Harry-Potter fan to have caused severe 
brain-damage). And she managed to be jury, cheerleader, cook,
waitress 
and complain-center (Julian got a toy snake, I don't want the
frog..., 
I don't like Apple-juice, I want lemonade.. etc.) at the same time. 
But hey, she's used to something like that! I'm not!

One of the wildest boys didn't quite cope with the amount of sweets
in 
his stomach when he used the swing. Instead of staying where he was
to 
do what he must, he had tried to reach the toilet, but failed! And of 
course, my wife was busy with frying-pan and deep-fry, and she wanted 
ME to clean up the boy and the bathroom!! NO WAY! That is most 
definitely Woman's work! I mean, it smells, it's all over the place.. 
So I snatched the pan and sent her to do the job.

I stood to the rest of the afternoon as well as I could. After four 
exhausting hours most of the children were collected by their mothers 
( I tried to convince them to take mine too, but they refused)
And am proud to declare I prevented the total ruin of the house!
Okay, 
except for the mess, but what are wives for?
I took the snow-shovel out of the garaged and made a small path 
between kitchen and living-room. Then I gave the shovel to my wife, 
left the rest to her, and dropped dead in front of the TV.

Just when I promised myself to avoid children's birthdays for the
rest 
of my life, my wife whispered gently into my ear "Next year, honey, 
both kids have their birthdays on SUNDAYS(shriek!)"
And to top it all, sh added "Oh, this year, Martens birthday was FUN! 
It is so much easier, when you're not doing it all alone!" THAT was 
easy? Oh my G...

Okay, that's it! I've had enough! I'm joining the Foreign Legion
first 
thing tomorrow morning.Never, never again will someone find me within 
1000miles near my home when my kids have their birthday!

I promise!

Andi, Mecki's husband








From craig.frizzell at marquette.edu  Mon Apr 14 17:33:34 2003
From: craig.frizzell at marquette.edu (craigf4656)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:33:34 -0000
Subject: Institute for Reading Development
Message-ID: <b7erde+rb13@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

I received an e-mail from my University where I am a graduate student regarding teaching positions in this program for the summer.

I was wondering if anyone here knows of the program, or even better has taught for them, and would be able to answer some general questions for me regarding the experience.  Replies off-list to craig.frizzell at marquette.edu are fine.

Thanks!

Craig




From ladyy_lost at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 14 17:58:58 2003
From: ladyy_lost at yahoo.com (Lunar Eclipse)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:58:58 -0000
Subject: yet anothr RPG
Message-ID: <b7est2+jq01@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone ,
I would like  to invite everybody to join us in Harry Potter The Dark 
side. What makes this game  different, is as the name suggersts, it 
is created to explore a darker side of the HP world. You can curse or 
hex another player, cast love spells etc. You may also play yourself 
as a character. It just started and is an amazing amount of fun! We 
still have  several canon characters available as well. Haryy, 
Hagrid, Dobby, Sirus, to name just a few.
If interestead please join us at
harrypotterthedarkside at yahoogroups.com




From stix4141 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 15 01:49:03 2003
From: stix4141 at hotmail.com (stickbook41)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:49:03 -0000
Subject: "Wrong" Fanon
Message-ID: <b7foef+prgq@eGroups.com>

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but is there any current 
speculation on what's going to happen to some of the fanfics that 
operate on any particular theory if such a theory is "proven wrong" 
by future canon?  Like if one SHIP is obviously not something JKR 
had in mind, do the sunken SHIPs that just get delegated an AU label 
or what?  I mean, there are entire websites dedicated to taking 
sides on issues like this.  Some of them quite popular.

I look forward to seeing, after the OotP release, if fanon is simply 
reorganised or if it's turned completely upside down. *grins 
maniacally*

Cheers!

-stickbook
...who is just using an easy example, *not* starting a senseless 
SHIP debate




From stix4141 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 15 02:26:13 2003
From: stix4141 at hotmail.com (stickbook41)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:26:13 -0000
Subject: DVD extras: Timelines
Message-ID: <b7fqk5+1031p@eGroups.com>

Do anyone know of any links that would allow someone (like myself) 
who is without a DVD-ROM drive to view the Timelines on the CoS 
Extras disc?  Is is transcribed anywhere?  Thanks!

Cheers!

-stickbook




From Chasewildstar at attbi.com  Tue Apr 15 03:05:12 2003
From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:05:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DVD extras: Timelines
References: <b7fqk5+1031p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c302fb$d4c4a5d0$9c01f50c@mac>

I don't know of any, but I will say this about the extras..
1. it requires you to installl an "interactive" player program, that is
still 2nd rate.
The voice commands work partialy.
The "menu" system, is still "windows 3.1- ish" in style, meaning they are
not linked properly.
Some times ya gotta go back to the very beginning if ya mess something up.
The chamber of secrets tour, is a waste of time.
And their idea of "hours of fun" is mearly an overlay that transports you to
the WB Harry potter website that I am assuming many of us already visit. So
if your modem is unplugged, it doesn't work..

Still, an improvement over the last one.. but they have a LONG way to go..
And now im hearing the VHS versions don't have the extra scenes on it..
Thats angering some folks..

But if you want a good Hogwarts time line, I think
http://www.geocities.com/hptimeline/
is probbaly the best one.




----- Original Message -----
From: "stickbook41" <stix4141 at hotmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:26 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DVD extras: Timelines


> Do anyone know of any links that would allow someone (like myself)
> who is without a DVD-ROM drive to view the Timelines on the CoS
> Extras disc?  Is is transcribed anywhere?  Thanks!
>
> Cheers!
>
> -stickbook
>
>
>
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Apr 15 09:37:33 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:37:33 -0000
Subject: "Wrong" Fanon
In-Reply-To: <b7foef+prgq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b7gjst+o8l4@eGroups.com>

stickbook wrote:

> -stickbook
> ...who is just using an easy example, *not* starting a senseless 
> SHIP debate

Senseless?  How can a SHIP debate be senseless?

David




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Tue Apr 15 22:46:55 2003
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:46:55 -0000
Subject: A very  silly  HP riddle
Message-ID: <b7i24v+mvhn@eGroups.com>

Q. How does Lord Voldemort send a package?
**
**
**
**
**
**
**
**
A: Parsel post


Pippin
::hears groaning sounds::  




From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 15 22:57:26 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:57:26 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A very  silly  HP riddle
References: <b7i24v+mvhn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3E9C8E56.000001.50387@monica>


 
Pippin
::hears groaning sounds::  
 
 *snicker* Oh yes, very good Pippin. *applauds* That is truly awful -
unfortunately I grew up in a family where all the men have the same abyssmal
sense of humour and eventually it draws you in too - so I found it amusing.

You cheered up a truly depressing day (not helped by people discussing the
dvd when I have to wait patiently till my birthday next month.).

K



From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Apr 16 00:45:02 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:45:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DVD extras: Timelines
References: <b7fqk5+1031p@eGroups.com> <001a01c302fb$d4c4a5d0$9c01f50c@mac>
Message-ID: <00c701c303b1$6bfa5b10$25a1cdd1@RVotaw>

Chase Wildstar wrote:

> I don't know of any, but I will say this about the extras..
> 1. it requires you to installl an "interactive" player program, that is
> still 2nd rate.
> The voice commands work partialy.

The voice commands worked great on my computer.  Of course, the last DVD on my old computer wouldn't work at all.  I had never gotten around to trying the SS/PS voice commands on my new computer (bought in December) so who knows.

Although somehow I miss the point of voice commands. I mean, how are they related to Harry Potter?  It's really cool and all, to sit there saying "Screensaver" and getting a screensaver, then "Menu" and back to the menu you go.  However, it does feel rather like Star Trek.  I was just dying to say "Energize."

Has anyone managed to get the printable puzzles to print?  I keep getting an error on that one.

Richelle


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Apr 16 07:56:33 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:56:33 -0000
Subject: A very  silly  HP riddle
In-Reply-To: <b7i24v+mvhn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b7j2bh+e3ug@eGroups.com>

> Pippin
> ::hears groaning sounds::

It's enough to make you 'owl

D




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr 16 08:41:10 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:41:10 -0000
Subject: A very  silly  HP riddle
In-Reply-To: <b7j2bh+e3ug@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b7j4v6+mmq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> 
wrote:
> > Pippin
> > ::hears groaning sounds::
> 
> It's enough to make you 'owl
> 
> D

You mean that riddle was a dog?

Pip




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 16 12:12:39 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:12:39 -0000
Subject: A very  silly  HP riddle
In-Reply-To: <b7j4v6+mmq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b7jhbn+rd3h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> 
> wrote:
> > > Pippin
> > > ::hears groaning sounds:: 
> > It's enough to make you 'owl 
> > D
> 
> You mean that riddle was a dog? 
> Pip

"No," he replied, seriously.

-Haggridd





From strayaluna at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 16 17:19:00 2003
From: strayaluna at bellsouth.net (Dominique Medal)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:19:00 -0500
Subject: 'Wrong' Fanon
In-Reply-To: <1050424586.279.93806.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <83AF3108-702F-11D7-89A2-000393065664@bellsouth.net>

stickbook wrote:
> Sorry if this has been brought up before, but is there any current
> speculation on what's going to happen to some of the fanfics that
> operate on any particular theory if such a theory is "proven wrong"
> by future canon?  Like if one SHIP is obviously not something JKR
> had in mind, do the sunken SHIPs that just get delegated an AU label
> or what?  I mean, there are entire websites dedicated to taking
> sides on issues like this.  Some of them quite popular.
>
> I look forward to seeing, after the OotP release, if fanon is simply
> reorganised or if it's turned completely upside down. *grins
> maniacally*
I doubt ships which canon disproves will be labelled AU. There's always 
post-Hogwarts fics, and sheer disregard of canon (which, granted, I 
haven't seen much of, but still).
Entire theories, however, will more likely be relegated to the scrap 
heap.

David wrote:
> stickbook wrote:
>> -stickbook
>> ...who is just using an easy example, *not* starting a senseless
>> SHIP debate
> Senseless?  How can a SHIP debate be senseless?
Erm, when it's been done before? When it degenerates into a flame war? 
I don't really know, as I personally consider all ship debates 
senseless.

Emilie (who ships everything all at once, thus neatly avoiding the need 
to participate in ship debates)




From grace701 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 16 20:12:09 2003
From: grace701 at yahoo.com (Greicy de los Santos)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:12:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Does anyone know when the Spanish editions are coming out?
In-Reply-To: <1050517216.731.22550.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030416201209.43416.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi everyone, I just want to know if anyone who has read HP in spanish can inform me if the books will be released in spanish around the same time as the english versions?  I have to buy it for my mom, but I can't seem to find out anything.

Thanks,

Greicy



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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 16 21:06:42 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:06:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Mausi/blackgold101
Message-ID: <20030416210642.78890.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com>

*hangs streamers around the room and finishes blowing
up the balloons*

Come on in everyone, there's food and drink for all. 

Today's birthday honouree is Mausi/blackgold101.
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to blackgold101 at yahoo.com

Wishing you a day filled with butterbeer, chocolate
frogs and every HP!

Happy Birthday!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 16 23:23:45 2003
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:23:45 +0000
Subject: Harry Potter Candies
Message-ID: <F116JWT8AESiA51GHw60002fbe5@hotmail.com>



Kristi Smith wrote:

>Hello to all. I am climbing out of lurkdom to share my >excitement about 
>finding Honeyduke's Best Chocolate, >Fizzing Whizbees, Sherbet Lemons, 
>Chocolate Frogs, and >of course, Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans today in 
> >downtown Salt Lake City. The local London Market had loads of really cool 
>British candies, not to mention >all the cool HP stuff.


When my Partner-In-Crime, Lilac, told me that she lives within walking 
distance from this store I asked her pretty please and she sent me a whole 
bunch of Harry Potter candies.  I just spent a happy afternoon breaking my 
diet on the back porch in the warmth of the sun.  The Sherbet Lemons were 
cool...reminiscent of Life Savers with a sour liquid center (she writes as 
she unwraps one...Oooo, green!)

The Chocolate Frogs taste like they are made from the same chocolate as 
those Easter Bunnies you get this time of year.  I got a Harry Potter card 
(darn!  I wanted Agrippa!).  The Honeydukes Best Chocolate I couldn't eat 
since they had egg yolks in them, but they look like glorified 3 Musketeers 
bars, with the nougat center and this strip of green stuff across the top.  
I was hoping they would be more like a chocolate bar since it's described in 
canon that they break the bar into pieces.  Oh well.

There where "new flavours" in the Every Flavor Beans: carrot, tomato and 
horseradish.  But I still say nothing beats grass.

And my favorite is the same as Kristi's; the Fizzing Whizzbees.  I imagined 
them to be something like Pop Rocks, but they're not.  It's like a candy 
that is so sweet-sour you can't do nothing but pucker your lips and make 
faces while you suck on them.  But surprisingly it melts very quickly and 
you have this little chewy center (she writes as she pops one in her mouth). 
  And afterwards, if you happen to belch, the flavor comes deliciously back 
at you!  :D

So now I'm buzzing off my sugar high, feeling goofy and wanting to share 
this with all of ya's.  Being an adult means you can eat sweets for dinner 
and nobody can tell you that you can't ;)


-Gail B...who has also been listening to Frank Sinatra this afternoon...

And if you should survive
'Till a hundred and five
Look at all you'll derive
Out of being alive
And here is the best part
You'll have a head start
If you are among
The very young at heart



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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 01:12:24 2003
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:12:24 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Candies
In-Reply-To: <F116JWT8AESiA51GHw60002fbe5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7kv1o+128c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gail Bohacek" 
<gandharvika at h...> wrote:
> There where "new flavours" in the Every Flavor Beans: carrot, 
tomato and 
> horseradish.  But I still say nothing beats grass.

OoOOoo  carrot!  I haven't gotten that one yet!  I thought the grass 
one was really cool, because it's been years since I tried to eat 
grass, but it brought back the memory of the time I did.  
 
> And my favorite is the same as Kristi's; the Fizzing Whizzbees.  I 
imagined 
> them to be something like Pop Rocks, but they're not.  It's like a 
candy 
> that is so sweet-sour you can't do nothing but pucker your lips 
and make 
> faces while you suck on them.  But surprisingly it melts very 
quickly and 
> you have this little chewy center 

I've got to find those.....

>And afterwards, if you happen to belch, the flavor comes 
deliciously back 
> at you!  :D

LOL.  Normally, I hate that, and at my age it happens all the time.  
But I think I might learn to live with it! :D

> 
> So now I'm buzzing off my sugar high, feeling goofy and wanting to 
share 
> this with all of ya's.  Being an adult means you can eat sweets 
for dinner 
> and nobody can tell you that you can't ;)

TOO RIGHT!  I've waited all my life to be able to do it.  My 
children will wander by and say, "Hey, why do you get to eat that 
now??"  I tell them, "Move on, pesky pixie, I've paid my dues."

 
> -Gail B...who has also been listening to Frank Sinatra this 
afternoon...

Ahh, Gail, you made my evening so much brigher.


Fly me to the moon
Let me play among the stars.
Let me see what spring is like ONNNN Jupiter and Mars

Alora :)






From lorischmidt1 at juno.com  Thu Apr 17 17:01:05 2003
From: lorischmidt1 at juno.com (ladyofmisrule2000)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:01:05 -0000
Subject: If true...Fudge might be a pawn
Message-ID: <b7mmkh+mg0o@eGroups.com>

Hey, all!

I was hoping somebody here could help me out. I don't know enough 
about chess to figure out if there's any symbolism to each piece that 
the members of the trio are assigned in The Sorcerer's Stone.

Ron: Knight
Harry: I think he was a Bishop
Hermione: Rook

Also, of all these three, isn't the rook the piece you'd be least 
likely to take risks with? (Aside from the King and Queen, of 
course.) Could Ron have been protecting Hermione a bit?

Thanks for your help!

Lori




From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 17 17:44:09 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:44:09 -0000
Subject: Another Fanfic Query:  rule breaking fanfics
In-Reply-To: <b7c2fb+nspv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b7mp59+sdl5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jbadreamer" 
> <swav at g...> wrote:
> Josh asked:
> 
> > There seem to be some pretty basic and quasi universally 
> > accepted "rules" for good fanfic.  No obvious Mary Sues, no 
> > ridiculous super powers for characters, etc.  I'm wondering 
> >what you  think are the best fan fics that break these rules and 
> >get away with  it.  
> 
> RJ Anderson's brilliant Snape trilogy Darkness and Light has  a 
> very well realized OC heroine. She  has an unusual substitute for 
> eyes, though I'm not sure that qualifies as a super-power.
> 
> http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson/
> 
> Pippin

Stacy Hart has a terrific in-progress fic on Schnoogle called Darkly 
Inclined (she says, waving to Stacy in case she's here too):
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/S_Hart/

Her unique, extremely interesting OC is a definitely not a Mary Sue; 
in fact it's this OC in particular who "humanized" Snape for me.

And of course, no mention of characters with superpowers would be 
complete without Lori Summer's Paradigm of Uncertainty, and its 
sequels, The Show That Never Ends and The Hero With a Thousand Faces -
 which happen to be among my favorite fan fics but NOT because of the 
superpowers!

Anne U
(hoping chapter 6 isn't the end of HWTA)





From joyw at gwu.edu  Fri Apr 18 01:42:04 2003
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:42:04 -0400
Subject: Book Cover Wallpaper?
Message-ID: <007801c3054b$b70637f0$6401000a@Joy>

Has anyone seen American OoP cover wallpaper?  I'm talking wallpaper that
decorates your desktop, not to put on the wall.  I tried downloading the
enlarged image from TLC, and then resizing it to 768 pixels in height, but
that leaves a lot of space on either side if I want to keep it in
proportion.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!

~Joy~







From shufan90 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 18 02:28:10 2003
From: shufan90 at yahoo.com (shufan)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Cover Wallpaper?
In-Reply-To: <007801c3054b$b70637f0$6401000a@Joy>
Message-ID: <20030418022810.34323.qmail@web80301.mail.yahoo.com>

I used the TLC link to the BBC site that featured all three covers and downloaded the US cover.  It centers nicely in my desktop.   Good Luckjen

- Joy - <joyw at gwu.edu> wrote:Has anyone seen American OoP cover wallpaper?  I'm talking wallpaper that
decorates your desktop, not to put on the wall.  I tried downloading the
enlarged image from TLC, and then resizing it to 768 pixels in height, but
that leaves a lot of space on either side if I want to keep it in
proportion.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!

~Joy~





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From Ripleywriter at aol.com  Fri Apr 18 03:05:33 2003
From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:05:33 EDT
Subject: OT: NYU--New York University 
Message-ID: <1cd.7909090.2bd0c57d@aol.com>

Hi, 

   I realize this is dreadfully OT, but it's very important to me. I'm 
looking into what college I'd like to go to, and I'm sending for information 
from NYU. Then I thought, who better to ask than the people in my groups?
 
   So, is anybody reading this attending, or has attended New York 
University? I'd love to ask you a few questions, such as what the classes are 
like, what you think of the school, what the requirements are, what the 
campus is like, etc. 

I'd appreciate any and all replies! E-mail me offlist at ripleywriter at aol.com

Thank you for your time, and I apologize for the hideously OT post, 

Melly



From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 18 16:30:22 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:30:22 -0000
Subject: FF: Hero With a Thousand Faces
In-Reply-To: <b7mp59+sdl5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b7p96u+oacj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, I wrote:
> 
> And of course, no mention of characters with superpowers would be 
> complete without Lori Summers' Paradigm of Uncertainty, and its 
> sequels, The Show That Never Ends and The Hero With a Thousand 
Faces -
>  which happen to be among my favorite fan fics but NOT because of 
the 
> superpowers!
> 
> Anne U
> (hoping chapter 6 isn't the end of HWTA)

<jumping up and down> CHAPTER 7 of The Hero With A Thousand Faces is 
here!!! <still jumping up and down> Absolutely wonderful writing from 
the queen (IMO) of H/Hr fanfic writing. I stayed up really late, for 
me, reading it last night --as with all of Lori's writing I just 
couldnt' stop reading till I reached the end. Of course you really 
can't read this until you've after you've read the other two... but 
for those of us who've been waiting FOREVER for Chapter 7, it was 
well worth the wait. And we can't wait to see what happens in Chapter 
8 <winks to Ebony and Penny>.


Anne U
<http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Lori/ in case you haven't read 
her stuff before>





From elrond at paradise.net.nz  Sun Apr 20 00:09:12 2003
From: elrond at paradise.net.nz (Michael Chance)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:09:12 +1200
Subject: HP website & fan videos
Message-ID: <004801c306d1$19e6e640$33444fcb@locxvcym>

Hi :) I'm not sure how many people know about my site at -
http://chance.slashcity.net/ - but it's back up & running now, after a shift
to a new faster server. It is mainly slash based, with all the slash based
around Snape/Lockhart, Snape/Hagrid and Snape/Lucius though there is a video
that implies a relationship between Harry & Draco.

The section with most interest to people on this list would be the fan music
video section, which is 90% Harry Potter based, and most of those are not
slash based.

Thanks :)
Michael




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 20 12:09:01 2003
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the *B*Witch)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 05:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT-Have a Fun Day today!
Message-ID: <20030420120901.16471.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun Apr 20 12:16:32 2003
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (Catherine Coleman)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:16:32 -0000
Subject: Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone?
Message-ID: <b7u330+bvtj@eGroups.com>

Hi all,

I remember that it was someone on this list who introduced me to the 
world of Thursday Next (Jeralyn, are you still around?).

I looked on Jasper Fforde's website to see when the next book was 
out, and came across an interesting quiz - completion enters people 
in the US into a prize draw (so I'm out), but I thought I'd while 
away some time doing it anyway.

But, I'm completely stuck on the Tom Swiftie section.  Does anyone 
have any suggestions for the following?  I've tried loads of things, 
and nothing seems to work.  It's:

"Parsley, sage and rosemary," said Tom.......

Clues?

If anyone wants to have a look at the rest of the quiz, it can be 
found at:

http://www.jasperfforde.com/games/new_games/puzzleintro.html

Have fun!

Catherine




From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Apr 20 12:51:47 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:51:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone?
Message-ID: <mailman.40.1576049045.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

My guess would be "timelessly" or "thymelessly". 

Heidi, currently Lost in a Good Book 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Catherine Coleman" <catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:16:32 
To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone?

Real-To:  "Catherine Coleman" <catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk>

Hi all,

I remember that it was someone on this list who introduced me to the 
world of Thursday Next (Jeralyn, are you still around?).

I looked on Jasper Fforde's website to see when the next book was 
out, and came across an interesting quiz - completion enters people 
in the US into a prize draw (so I'm out), but I thought I'd while 
away some time doing it anyway.

But, I'm completely stuck on the Tom Swiftie section.  Does anyone 
have any suggestions for the following?  I've tried loads of things, 
and nothing seems to work.  It's:

"Parsley, sage and rosemary," said Tom.......

Clues?

If anyone wants to have a look at the rest of the quiz, it can be 
found at:

http://www.jasperfforde.com/games/new_games/puzzleintro.html

Have fun!

Catherine



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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 20 15:15:37 2003
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 20 Apr 2003 15:15:37 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1050851737.58006.74287.m4@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 20, 2003 
Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. *Chat times are not changing for Daylight
Saving/Summer Time.*  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours,
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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Apr 20 18:19:13 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:19:13 -0000
Subject: HP website & fan videos
In-Reply-To: <004801c306d1$19e6e640$33444fcb@locxvcym>
Message-ID: <b7uob1+pu8a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michael Chance" <elrond at p...> 
wrote:
> Hi :) I'm not sure how many people know about my site at -
> http://chance.slashcity.net/

Hi! Three weeks ago in chat, Trin recommended your music videos 
and many people went to watch them and were delighted. I intend to 
watch them someday.

Two weeks ago in chat, Trin recommended this very very sweet 
(altho'very hot NC-17) SS/HP fic to me: 
http://inkstain.slashcity.net/isf/archive/7/severusand.html
and I noticed that its URL also has something to do with Slashcity.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Apr 20 18:24:07 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:24:07 -0000
Subject: OT-Have a Fun Day today!
In-Reply-To: <20030420120901.16471.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b7uok7+ovds@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Wanda the *B*Witch 
<witchwanda2002 at y...> wrote:
> Everybody have a wonderful day today with family and friends! 

You and your Muggles, too, Wanda!

> The younger Muggles are looking for goodies! 

I bought mine at See's Candy yesterday. I must have that Bordeaux 
(chocolate buttercream, not wine) Easter Egg each year!




From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 20 19:35:27 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:35:27 -0000
Subject: Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone?
Message-ID: <b7uspv+fgub@eGroups.com>

Could it be "Parsley, sage and rosemary," said Tom, timely (thyme-ly)?

Anne U
(with apologies to Simon & Garfunkel)

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidit at n...> 
wrote:
> My guess would be "timelessly" or "thymelessly". 
> 
> Heidi, currently Lost in a Good Book 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Catherine Coleman" <catherine at c...>
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:16:32 
> To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone?
> 
 
> 
> But, I'm completely stuck on the Tom Swiftie section.  Does anyone 
> have any suggestions for the following?  I've tried loads of 
things, 
> and nothing seems to work.  It's:
> 
> "Parsley, sage and rosemary," said Tom.......
> 
> Clues?
 > 
> Catherine
> 
> 




From ginnyp at wanadoo.es  Sun Apr 20 17:36:24 2003
From: ginnyp at wanadoo.es (dacilsuarez)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:36:24 -0000
Subject: Does anyone know when the Spanish editions are coming out?
In-Reply-To: <20030416201209.43416.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b7ulqo+n98h@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

Greicy:
<Hi everyone, I just want to know if anyone who has read HP in 
spanish can inform me if the books will be released in spanish around 
the same time as the english versions?  I have to buy it for my mom, 
but I can't seem to find out anything.> 

Me: As far as I know, the Spanish version of the book will be released
around November-December (at least in Spain, or so the newspapers 
said). It seems the English version has to be ought before the 
translators can do their job...

Daz





From elrond at paradise.net.nz  Sun Apr 20 21:26:17 2003
From: elrond at paradise.net.nz (Michael Chance)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:26:17 +1200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP website & fan videos
References: <b7uob1+pu8a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c30783$84987500$5e454fcb@locxvcym>

From: "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at wicca.net>

> > http://chance.slashcity.net/
>
> Hi! Three weeks ago in chat, Trin recommended your music videos
> and many people went to watch them and were delighted. I intend to
> watch them someday.
>
lol  ok That's nice to know :)
> Two weeks ago in chat, Trin recommended this very very sweet
> (altho'very hot NC-17) SS/HP fic to me:
> http://inkstain.slashcity.net/isf/archive/7/severusand.html
> and I noticed that its URL also has something to do with Slashcity.
>
>
Yes, Slashcity is one of the few places created just to host fanfiction &
slash.

Michael




From tammy at mauswerks.net  Sun Apr 20 23:19:13 2003
From: tammy at mauswerks.net (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:19:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <b7uspv+fgub@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3EA2F2B1.7657.80255EF@localhost>

It would be thymelessly/timelessly, because he didn't say "thyme".

On 20 Apr 2003 at 19:35, Anne wrote:

> Could it be "Parsley, sage and rosemary," said Tom, timely (thyme-ly)?
> 
> Anne U
> (with apologies to Simon & Garfunkel)
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidit at n...>
> wrote: > My guess would be "timelessly" or "thymelessly". > > Heidi,
> currently Lost in a Good Book > -----Original Message----- > From:
> "Catherine Coleman" <catherine at c...> > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:16:32
> > To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]
> Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone? > 
> 
> > 
> > But, I'm completely stuck on the Tom Swiftie section.  Does anyone
> > have any suggestions for the following?  I've tried loads of 
> things, 
> > and nothing seems to work.  It's:
> > 
> > "Parsley, sage and rosemary," said Tom.......
> > 
> > Clues?
>  > 
> > Catherine
> > 
> > 
> 
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From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 20 23:41:50 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:41:50 -0000
Subject: Jasper Fforde - Quiz, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <3EA2F2B1.7657.80255EF@localhost>
Message-ID: <b7vb7u+8278@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tammy Rizzo" <tammy at m...>
wrote:
> It would be thymelessly/timelessly, because he didn't say "thyme".


> 
> ----Original Message----- > From:
> > "Catherine Coleman" <catherine at c...> > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003
12:16:32

> > > But, I'm completely stuck on the Tom Swiftie section.  Does
anyone
> > > have any suggestions for the following?  I've tried loads of 
> > things, 
> > > and nothing seems to work.  It's:
> > > 
> > > "Parsley, sage and rosemary," said Tom.......



Oh DUHHH. I'm an ever worse Tom Swifty writer than a filker!! GAAAH

Thanks, Tammy.

Anne U
(who will now hide under her desk)




From grace701 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 21 15:38:15 2003
From: grace701 at yahoo.com (grace701)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:38:15 -0000
Subject: Does anyone know when the Spanish editions are coming out?
In-Reply-To: <b7ulqo+n98h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b81397+5erf@eGroups.com>

Daz wrote: 
> As far as I know, the Spanish version of the book will be released
> around November-December (at least in Spain, or so the newspapers 
> said). It seems the English version has to be ought before the 
> translators can do their job...


Oh thank you soooo much Daz for letting me know when it is being 
released.  I assume since it is coming out in Spain around that time 
that it will be released all over the world including USA, as well.  
I'll just have to break the news to Mami tonight, although I 
forewarned her.

Thanks,
Greicy




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 15:50:51 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:50:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine!
Message-ID: <20030422155051.79164.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>

*drags very large cake to the centre of the room,
takes out her wand and makes sparkly confetti hover in
the air*

Don't worry, I've charmed the confetti so it won't
fall in the food. 

Today's birthday honouree is Catherine. Birthday owls
can be sent to this list or directly to:
catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk

I hope your day is special and filled with magic and
joy.

Happy Birthday, Catherine!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From tammy at mauswerks.net  Tue Apr 22 15:55:50 2003
From: tammy at mauswerks.net (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:55:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Catherine!
In-Reply-To: <20030422155051.79164.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3EA52DC6.27234.24E2A76@localhost>

On 22 Apr 2003 at 11:50, Sheryll Townsend wrote:

> *drags very large cake to the centre of the room,
> takes out her wand and makes sparkly confetti hover in
> the air*
> 
> Don't worry, I've charmed the confetti so it won't
> fall in the food. 

Oooh, but I *LIKE* confetti cake!  ;-)

Happy birthday, Catherine!  WHEEEE!

***
Tammy
tammy at mauswerks.net






From rmm7e at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 20:48:47 2003
From: rmm7e at yahoo.com (Regina)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:48:47 -0000
Subject: HP fans who own beagles...
Message-ID: <b849rf+q22j@eGroups.com>

...might appreciate this tidbit of humor:

My beagle, Magic (named waaaay before I discovered HP), was out in 
the yard and wanted to be let back in the house. I could hear her 
outside, but before I had a chance to get up to open the door, my 
husband walked by it.

He peered out the window, immediately turned to me and said, 
deadpan, "Someone sent us a Howler."

--Regina (and Magic. AROOOO!)







From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 23:17:35 2003
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (hphgrwlca)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:17:35 -0000
Subject: Suggestions for fan fiction
Message-ID: <b84iif+84fa@eGroups.com>

Hello all.  Christine here.  I have been in the main list for awhile 
but have only just now joined this one.  Anyway, I have a question:

Can anyone recommend any good fan fiction?

I have read Paradigm of Uncertainty and sequels and Draco Dormiens 
and sequels.  Cassie and Lori, if you're reading, you guys are my 
heroes.  Seriously.  I love you.

Anyway, any recommendations would be wonderful.

Thanks!

Christine, who needs her HP fix because there are still 60 days until 
Order of the Phoenix




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Apr 22 23:24:43 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi tandy)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:24:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Suggestions for fan fiction
In-Reply-To: <b84iif+84fa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030422232443.99595.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com>

Christine asked: 
> Can anyone recommend any good fan fiction?
> 
> I have read Paradigm of Uncertainty and sequels and
> Draco Dormiens 
> and sequels.  Cassie and Lori, if you're reading,
> you guys are my 
> heroes.  Seriously.  I love you.
> 
> Anyway, any recommendations would be wonderful.


You might want to look over FictionAlley's The
Nifflers Recommend forum
(http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?&forumid=106)
or the HPfGU FAQ on fanfic
(http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/fanfiction.html - a bit
out of date, but still good for "fandom history"
purposes). 

heidi


=====
heidi tandy

They say its a sign of mental health to hold apparently contradictory ideas in your mind. The world of late has been a particularly exotic stew of horror and beauty. There are killers, there are saints. The trick is to find the right spot on the spectrum between abject despair and total obliviousness. And then carry on...
Joel Achenbach



From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 23:30:51 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Suggestions for fan fiction
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There is an incredible FF called " The Fall of Childhood" athttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/hp_verisand, depending on your attitude toward slash, one of the best fics I have ever read is "Severus and the Crup"  I have lost the link to it, so if anyone out there (rita?) has the link, could you please tell us? Thanks, Alex Fox   hphgrwlca <hphgrwlca at yahoo.com> wrote: 
Hello all.  Christine here.  I have been in the main list for awhile 
but have only just now joined this one.  Anyway, I have a question:

Can anyone recommend any good fan fiction?





 

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed Apr 23 04:13:37 2003
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:13:37 +1000
Subject: Harry Potter and the Crown of the Warrior Queen
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Over the Easter long weekend, I ran a Harry Potter roleplaying game at the Conquest 
Roleplaying Convention in Melbourne. I have just put the notes I used to run the game 
(along with some of the maps I used) online. I thought some people might be interested 
in seeing them. It's a ZIP file - the Word document within explains the other files 
included.

The game was well received and I really enjoyed running it.

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HPCROWN.ZIP

Any comments welcomed.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
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                     To those who venture into space."




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Apr 23 04:15:36 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 04:15:36 -0000
Subject: Has anyone seen this movie?
Message-ID: <b85418+sp54@eGroups.com>

I know that a lot of people love the COWBOY BEBOP anime TV show. Does 
anyone have an opinion of the new COWBOY BEBOP movie? Should I go 
see it?




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Apr 23 05:24:03 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:24:03 -0000
Subject: Suggestions for fan fiction
In-Reply-To: <20030422233051.37733.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b8581j+ugte@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, alex fox <trinity61us at y...> 
wrote:
> depending on your attitude toward slash, one of the best fics I
> have ever read is "Severus and the Crup"  I have lost the link to 
> it, so if anyone out there (rita?) has the link, could you please
> tell us? 

Synchronicity: here's what I posted Sun Apr 20, 2003:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michael Chance" 
<elrond at p... wrote:
> > Hi :) I'm not sure how many people know about my site at -
> > http://chance.slashcity.net/
> 
> Hi! Three weeks ago in chat, Trin recommended your music videos 
> and many people went to watch them and were delighted. I intend to 
> watch them someday.
> 
> Two weeks ago in chat, Trin recommended this very very sweet 
> (altho'very hot NC-17) SS/HP fic to me: 
> http://inkstain.slashcity.net/isf/archive/7/severusand.html
> and I noticed that its URL also has something to do with Slashcity. 





From buffyeton at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 08:38:34 2003
From: buffyeton at yahoo.com (etonbuffy)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:38:34 -0000
Subject: Question to Buffy Fans
Message-ID: <b85jea+lv30@eGroups.com>

I am looking for a fanfic called "Till it Feels Real". It is a Buffy 
Riley fic.  I have managed to find up to part 4 of the 3rd 
instalment "Full Circle", but can't find the rest! If ANYONE knows 
where I can read the whole story, PLEASE send me a link.  Or if you 
have a copy, email it to me.  Thanks!




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed Apr 23 08:51:26 2003
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:51:26 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question to Buffy Fans
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Message-ID: <3EA6E0AE.18241.1FFC53F@localhost>

On 23 Apr 2003 at 8:38, etonbuffy wrote:

> I am looking for a fanfic called "Till it Feels Real". It is a Buffy 
> Riley fic.  I have managed to find up to part 4 of the 3rd 
> instalment "Full Circle", but can't find the rest! If ANYONE knows 
> where I can read the whole story, PLEASE send me a link.  Or if you 
> have a copy, email it to me.  Thanks!

I can't swear to it, but I *think* this is an unfinished fic - you may well have read all that 
has been released so far.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
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From karnasaur at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 14:51:46 2003
From: karnasaur at yahoo.com (Kristjan Arnason)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cowboy Bebop movie
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Yes, you should see it.  It's as good as the show ever
was, and sad because you know how it all ends.

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From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 23 15:48:35 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:48:35 -0000
Subject: Go see this quickly... like today...
Message-ID: <b86ckj+neof@eGroups.com>

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/funky.asp

Does this guy remind us of anyone we know?? Huhhhhh????? LOL 
It's 4/23/2003, he'd be almost 23 years old ...<loffs>

Anne U
(couldn't resist)





From potterfan9999 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr 23 20:38:35 2003
From: potterfan9999 at yahoo.co.uk (potterfan9999)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:38:35 -0000
Subject: The end for Harry Potter?
Message-ID: <b86tkb+f8ai@eGroups.com>

>From the Manchester Evening Standard (online edition), 17th April 2003

"Sources close to the author (JKR) say that the latest instalment in 
the Harry Potter series was such an ordeal for the author that it 
almost didn't make it the publishers at all.  The standard set by the 
previous books, both in quality of writing and book sales have 
brought such high expectations for the next instalment that she 
almost folded under the pressure.  There have even been mutterings 
that the book that follows Order of the Phoenix will be the last.  

There is nothing in the present day world of children's literature 
that comes close to the Harry Potter series, though many have tried.  
There have been numerous tales of witches and wizards in recent 
times, but all have fallen by the wayside.  The Artemis Fowl series 
by Eoin Colfer and His Dark Materials Trilogy by Philip Pullman have 
shown some success, as has the Julie Trent series by Laura Emmet.  
Emmet's books have reported exceptionally fast initial sales, and the 
reviews have been encouraging.  Even if all the sales from these 
three authors (Colfer, Pullman and Emmet) are put together, they 
still fall well short of the sales for even one of the Potter books.  
If Harry Potter is coming to an end then there will be an enormous 
void left which will not easily be filled."

Eoin Colfer: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-
url/index=books&field-author=Colfer%2C%20Eoin/103-6842058-0235031

Laura Emmet: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-
url/index=books&field-author=Emmet%2C%20Laura/103-6842058-0235031

Philip Pullman: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-
url/index=books&field-author=Pullman%2C%20Philip/103-6842058-0235031

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/043935806X/ref=ts_bh_1_1/103-6842058-0235031?
v=glance&s=books&n=283155







From erainad at aol.com  Wed Apr 23 22:06:04 2003
From: erainad at aol.com (angelbabylove1)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:06:04 -0000
Subject: new to the group
Message-ID: <b872oc+6hjl@eGroups.com>

Hi guys.

I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often get flack from my 
peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading HP. But oh well they 
don't know what they are missing. I just wanted to say hello! And 
meet the group!!!

Eraina




From Chasewildstar at attbi.com  Wed Apr 23 22:49:50 2003
From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:49:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group
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Not too sure who is the oldest in this group, but nearing 4 decades, I think
im one of them Erania. Welcome to the ADULT fans group..  Let them (the rest
of the muggles) laugh.. Im having fun and enjoying it.. And its almost like
holloween all year long here!

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Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:06 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group


> Hi guys.
>
> I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often get flack from my
> peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading HP. But oh well they
> don't know what they are missing. I just wanted to say hello! And
> meet the group!!!
>
> Eraina
>
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From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 23:38:41 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group
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Well, I'm a 42 year old female, married to a 31 year old Star Trek fan. But he still thinks I'm insane, because ALL of my spare time is taken up by HP in some fashion! Message boards, fanfic, my Alan Rickman mania (related!), etc. He just hasn't ever gotten involved deeply in fandom of any sort.I wish he would, then he might understand! Welcome to the world of people who actually get it! It is wonderfully, intelligently,inventively festive! Good People Here! Alex Fox

Chase Wildstar <Chasewildstar at attbi.com> wrote:Not too sure who is the oldest in this group, but nearing 4 decades, I think
im one of them Erania. Welcome to the ADULT fans group..  Let them (the rest
of the muggles) laugh.. Im having fun and enjoying it.. And its almost like
holloween all year long here!

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Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:06 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group


> Hi guys.
>
> I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often get flack from my
> peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading HP. But oh well they
> don't know what they are missing. I just wanted to say hello! And
> meet the group!!!
>
> Eraina
>
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Apr 24 01:04:35 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:04:35 -0000
Subject: new to the group
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Eraina wrote:
> Hi guys.
> 
> I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often get flack from my 
> peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading HP. But oh well 
they 
> don't know what they are missing. I just wanted to say hello! And 
> meet the group!!!

Hi, Eraina, and welcome!

I'm too old to mention, and live in Surrey, England, though not 
actually in Little Whinging,

David




From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 24 02:41:53 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:41:53 -0000
Subject: new to the group
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> 
wrote:
> Eraina wrote:
> > Hi guys.
> > 
> > I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often get flack from my 
> > peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading HP. But oh well 
> they 
> > don't know what they are missing. I just wanted to say hello! And 
> > meet the group!!!
> 
> Hi, Eraina, and welcome!
> 
> I'm too old to mention, and live in Surrey, England, though not 
> actually in Little Whinging,
> 
> David

I'm probably older than David (tho perhaps not older than Jim Ferer) 
and I live in Madison, WI. Yes, too old to mention - and old enough 
to remember Beatlemania, which I mentioned on a Pumpkin Pie chat last 
weekend... we were comparing HP to Beatlemania, which was very  
interesting.

Anne U
(you're never too young, or old, to love HP)





From Chasewildstar at attbi.com  Thu Apr 24 01:00:12 2003
From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:00:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group
References: <20030423233841.88263.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c309fc$dc49f9b0$9c01f50c@mac>

well congradulations, im a Trek fan myself, but now im hooked on Potter.
Hard to find a single gal that enjoys one or the other or those kinds of
things.

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To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group


> Well, I'm a 42 year old female, married to a 31 year old Star Trek fan.
But he still thinks I'm insane, because ALL of my spare time is taken up by
HP in some fashion! Message boards, fanfic, my Alan Rickman mania
(related!), etc. He just hasn't ever gotten involved deeply in fandom of any
sort.I wish he would, then he might understand! Welcome to the world of
people who actually get it! It is wonderfully, intelligently,inventively
festive! Good People Here! Alex Fox
>
> Chase Wildstar <Chasewildstar at attbi.com> wrote:Not too sure who is the
oldest in this group, but nearing 4 decades, I think
> im one of them Erania. Welcome to the ADULT fans group..  Let them (the
rest
> of the muggles) laugh.. Im having fun and enjoying it.. And its almost
like
> holloween all year long here!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "angelbabylove1" <erainad at aol.com>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:06 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group
>
>
> > Hi guys.
> >
> > I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often get flack from my
> > peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading HP. But oh well they
> > don't know what they are missing. I just wanted to say hello! And
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From Chasewildstar at attbi.com  Thu Apr 24 01:22:03 2003
From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:22:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: new to the group
References: <b87d73+jtjf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004301c309ff$e9da3c90$9c01f50c@mac>

Question david.. Is Surrey a state? County or what?

Im in the process of sending 2 ebay payments to UK addresses, and I tell ya,
they confuse the heck out of me.. LOL.



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From: "David" <dfrankiswork at netscape.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:04 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: new to the group


> Eraina wrote:
> > Hi guys.
> >
> > I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often get flack from my
> > peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading HP. But oh well
> they
> > don't know what they are missing. I just wanted to say hello! And
> > meet the group!!!
>
> Hi, Eraina, and welcome!
>
> I'm too old to mention, and live in Surrey, England, though not
> actually in Little Whinging,
>
> David
>
>
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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 24 06:22:40 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:22:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: new to the group
In-Reply-To: <b87ith+9esi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030424062240.39686.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Anne <anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > --- In
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David"
> <dfrankiswork at n...> 
> wrote:
> > Eraina wrote:
> > > Hi guys.
> > > 
> > > I'm an adult HP fan too! I'm 22... and I often
> get flack from my 
> > > peers ( that are sadly under read) about reading
> HP. But oh well 
> > they 
> > > don't know what they are missing. I just wanted
> to say hello! And 
> > > meet the group!!!
> > 
> > Hi, Eraina, and welcome!
> > 
> > I'm too old to mention, and live in Surrey,
> England, though not 
> > actually in Little Whinging,
> > 
> > David
> 
> I'm probably older than David (tho perhaps not older
> than Jim Ferer) 
> and I live in Madison, WI. Yes, too old to mention -
> and old enough 
> to remember Beatlemania, which I mentioned on a
> Pumpkin Pie chat last 
> weekend... we were comparing HP to Beatlemania,
> which was very  
> interesting.
> 
> Anne U
> (you're never too young, or old, to love HP)

I am *not* too old to mention (43) and most definitely
not middle-aged. (You out there reading, Neil?) :)
Hubby shakes his head at me. Refuses to read the books
but has at least seen the movies.

Sheryll

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From spi00000000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 24 10:03:00 2003
From: spi00000000 at yahoo.com (spi00000000)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:03:00 -0000
Subject: fanfic help-looking for "the Mirror of Maybe"- by Midnight Blue
Message-ID: <b88cok+9a52@eGroups.com>

Fanfic help-- looking for "the Mirror of Maybe" by Midnight Blue.
This is the best HP fanfic I have ever read and it is missing from 
fanfiction.net ! Anyone know what is going on- or where I can find 
another posting of it?

newbie-lurker spi




From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Apr 24 11:35:31 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:35:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] fanfic help-looking for "the Mirror of Maybe"- by Midnight Blue
Message-ID: <mailman.41.1576049046.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

The first 15 or so chapters are on schnoogle at http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Midnight_Blue. The other chapters should be up this week. 

Heidi Tandy
Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce
http://www.FictionAlley.org 
-----Original Message-----
From: "spi00000000" <spi00000000 at yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:03:00 
To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] fanfic help-looking for "the Mirror of Maybe"- by Midnight Blue

Real-To:  "spi00000000" <spi00000000 at yahoo.com>

Fanfic help-- looking for "the Mirror of Maybe" by Midnight Blue.
This is the best HP fanfic I have ever read and it is missing from 
fanfiction.net ! Anyone know what is going on- or where I can find 
another posting of it?

newbie-lurker spi



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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Apr 24 12:31:46 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:31:46 -0000
Subject: Surrey (was : new to the group)
In-Reply-To: <004301c309ff$e9da3c90$9c01f50c@mac>
Message-ID: <b88lfi+iunv@eGroups.com>

Chase Wildstar wrote:
> Question david.. Is Surrey a state? County or what?
> 
> Im in the process of sending 2 ebay payments to UK addresses, and 
I tell ya,
> they confuse the heck out of me.. LOL.

Oh, I know.  They are nearly as bad as American ones.

Surrey is a county.  We don't have states.  The UK comprises four 
countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

These are divided into counties, each of which is governed by a 
County Council (I can't swear to the form in countries other than 
England).  Major cities are outside the county system.

For postal purposes, rural addresses are:

House name or street number, and street (or road)
Village
Postal town
County
Post code

The post code is the UK equivalent to a zip code.

City addresses are

Street number and street
City
Post code

We don't number street blocks here, so we don't go in for those four 
figure street numbers.  In my street, house numbers run through the 
even numbers from 2 to about 100 on one side, and the odd numbers on 
the other.

David




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Apr 24 12:36:54 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:36:54 -0000
Subject: English for everyone?
Message-ID: <b88lp6+l65s@eGroups.com>

Just thought people might find the following article interesting:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/358346.stm
> --

It concerns an international dictionary that Microsoft are 
compiling. 

Ali

(Slightly amused by the word "shag" being the latest Brit. word to 
become international - and wondering if her link will work....)




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 24 13:39:01 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:39:01 -0000
Subject: Off Topic Big... Sirius 
Message-ID: <b88pdl+8vut@eGroups.com>

Is everyone else's printing really BIG all of a sudden? Weird. And 
since I'm here, Sirius Black, What do you think the world holds in 
store for him in the next book? Harry is SO looking forward to 
this "family" thing. Ain't gonna happen. Could he be the death? I 
hope not. The Hagrid thing is getting to me now. Becoming too 
obvious, but then again, I expect JKR to be reading these posts!!
Silly me!

Alex Fox




From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Apr 24 15:12:19 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:12:19 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] English for everyone?
In-Reply-To: <b88lp6+l65s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030424160941.00994a40@plum.cream.org>

Ali wrote:
>Just thought people might find the following article interesting:
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/358346.stm
>
>It concerns an international dictionary that Microsoft are compiling.

Er... "are" compiling? Did you see the date on that article (29 July 1999)? 
It's been out for almost four years...

--
GulPlum AKA Richard, who's not surprised that it's never sold well, and 
doubts there'll ever be a second edition.




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 24 15:14:47 2003
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenp_97)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:14:47 -0000
Subject: English for everyone?
In-Reply-To: <b88lp6+l65s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b88v17+ljbk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> Just thought people might find the following article interesting:

Thanks, Ali - it was interesting.  Personally, I don't see why Bill
Gates would particularly wish to do something like this - even though
I think that I and other linguists will find it interesting to have a
concrete list of dialectal differences available.  Besides, linguists
are always begging for funding, so more power to 'im - if he wants to
buy their doughnuts, that's fine with me.

IMO, it's ridiculous to think that a dictionary like this will signal
the "demise" of the "Queen's English".  If it has any kind of
widespread effect (which I doubt, but that's just me being cynical),
it'll have one of standardizing spelling, and possibly introducing new
words into our vocabularies, but can you REALLY see this killing
standard British (or American or Australian?) English?  First of all,
"standard" is very subjective.  Who defines what is "standard"? 
Secondly, I doubt very much that people who speak standard English are
going to go out and read this HUGE dictionary, become "corrupted" by
it, and then all of a sudden speak a different kind of English.  And
lastly, there are quite a few more insidious influences on the various
dialects of English - television and movies to name a couple.  If
someone is worried about the demise of British English as a "standard"
dialect, then ban American television.

Hmmm... wow, sorry.  I got a little carried away there, didn't I?

Anyway, interesting article.  But someone needs to tell the writer to
proofread - he (or she?) says at the end of the article: "Indeed,
Microsoft says that without the Internet, the dictionary would have
been possible..." when clearly, "wouldn't" was meant.

Besides, I have a quibble with stating that the generally assumed
meaning of "ignorant" is "dumb".  Is it so in British English?  I
always assumed that while an 8-year-old might use it in this way to
impress someone he or she is insulting, most people recognize that
ignorant has a slightly different meaning.  Maybe I'm just naive.

-Jen P., boring the masses.




From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Apr 24 15:19:47 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:19:47 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to the group
Message-ID: <18d.19178561.2bd95a93@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/24/2003 9:49:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Not too sure who is the oldest in this group, but nearing 4 decades, I think
> im one of them Erania. Welcome to the ADULT fans group..  Let them (the 
> rest
> of the muggles) laugh.. Im having fun and enjoying it.. And its almost like
> holloween all year long here

erm. . .delurking here to say "53". . .;->  And I sure hope JKR gets out of 
her funk and gets on with the next book!!!


Lynda 
* * *
"Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA


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From selene at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 24 15:28:07 2003
From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:28:07 -0700
Subject: new to the group
Message-ID: <3EA80287.983C8DC@earthlink.net>

"Chase Wildstar" writes:

<Not too sure who is the oldest in this group, but nearing 4 decades, I
think im one of them Erania.>

Hello, I'm Susan Fox-Davis, aged 43.  Longtime science fiction fan geek,
Los Angeles area.  I work for an entertainment industry news service,
the pay isn't much but the perks are interesting, I get to go to critics
screenings and such so I saw "Chamber" before anybody else.  My other
hobby organizations are Starfleet [Star Trek, www.sfi.org] and the
Society for Creative Anachronism [Euro-history from the fall of Rome to
the end of the Renaissance, www.sca.org] and the Los Angeles Science
Fantasy Society [www.lasfs.org] which is where I met my husband of 21
years.  Fortunately, the hubby is as wild about Harry as I am.

I got hooked on Harry Potter because of the sensation the series made in
book biz.  Pre-teens lining up to be the first at midnight on the day of
release to buy... a BOOK?!  Amazing.  So I just had to read them and got
very hooked indeed.  I'm collecting the US hardbacks and the UK "adult
cover" paperbacks, just for the incredibly clever marketing idea that
is.

I've perused some of Fiction Alley but have no idea which are the best
stories to read until it's too late.  <rolling eyes>  Recommendations
welcome;  what I really like is Good Storytelling.

Married, no kids, lots of friends' kids "nieces 'n' nephews," one dog.

I do happen to know one other HPFGU listee whom I know to be older than
I am, since she is the elder sister of a former schoolmate of mine, but
I won't bust her without her say-so.

Susan Fox-Davis
selene at earthlink.net




From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Apr 24 15:59:05 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:59:05 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: English for everyone?
In-Reply-To: <b88v17+ljbk@eGroups.com>
References: <b88lp6+l65s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030424164004.0098fba0@plum.cream.org>

Jen P wrote:

>but someone needs to tell the writer to proofread - he (or she?) says at 
>the end of the article: "indeed, microsoft says that without the internet, 
>the dictionary would have been possible..." when clearly, "wouldn't" was meant.

Not to mention the misuse of "whom": (Arm candy definition): "... whom 
accompanies him to a social event ...".

>besides, i have a quibble with stating that the generally assumed meaning 
>of "ignorant" is "dumb".  is it so in british english?  i always assumed 
>that while an 8-year-old might use it in this way to impress someone he or 
>she is insulting, most people recognize that ignorant has a slightly 
>different meaning.  maybe i'm just naive.

I suppose it depends on the meaning of "dumb". :-) According to my 
(British) printed dictionary (1998 Collins), the first meaning for 
"ignorant" is "uneducated, unenlightened". The third meaning for "dumb" 
(noted as colloquial) is "foolish, uneducated" (the first two are about the 
inability to speak).

Certainly I, as a native speaker of British English, would consider the two 
to be very close in meaning, although dictionary definition aside, I'd use 
"dumb" to refer to someone who is naturally stupid or low in intelligence, 
whilst  I'd use "ignorant" to refer to someone who is not in possession of 
complete information. Nevertheless, my usage of "ignorant" would imply 
absence of quite fundamental knowledge, perhaps due to low intelligence, so 
the rationale has really gone full circle and we're back to "ignorant"="dumb".

--
GulPlum AKA Richard, who's wondering if that makes sense.




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Thu Apr 24 16:26:42 2003
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:26:42 +1000
Subject: UK postcodes: The intrigue!
Message-ID: <007901c30a7e$4bb4c100$dfac86cb@price>

Ah yes, David and all ye British folk...

While we're on the subject of UK addresses, something that has always perplexed me is those double barrelled postcodes like BS23 3JL.  How do they work?  I've figured out that the 2 letter code in the first bit is an abbreviation of the county, but what's the rest?  Do they divide the county up into bits and number them?  What's with the other bit then, the suburb code?

I also notice that Canada has similar postcodes.  What's the story there?

Tabouli.


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From smotgreg at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 24 16:21:08 2003
From: smotgreg at hotmail.com (Greg Johnson)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:21:08 -0700
Subject: Back to Puddings: A Recipe
Message-ID: <Law9-F110L6e5f6WVY500002f5d@hotmail.com>

Hello all,

I was mentioning to my mother-in-law the earlier disscussion on puddings, 
desserts, tarts, etc. and she shared with me her grandmother's recipe for 
lemon pudding. Great-Grandma Booth was from Ilfracombe (which I have most 
likely misspelled - sorry). It's quite unlike the American pudding in the 
box, which is the only kind of pudding I have known. This pudding bakes up 
with a cake like top, with lemony custard underneath. Absolutely heavenly on 
a spring day. I hope my metric equivalents are correct - take your chances 
:). Funnily enough, I remember being so excited in the fifth grade learning 
about the metric system since this would be the new measuring system for the 
States - whatever happened to that (1970's era)? I think Burma is the only 
other non-metric country left in this world. Anyway, enjoy the pudding!

Lemon Pudding

2 Tablespoons (30g) butter			3 eggs, separated
7/8 cup (125g?) sugar				1 cup (225ml) milk
1 1/2 Tablespoons flour			Grated rind of 1 lemon
1/3 cup (90ml) lemon juice 		Heavy cream

Preheat oven to 350 F. Beat the butter until soft, then gradually add the 
sugar, beating until it is all incorporated. Beat in the egg yolks one by 
one. Add the milk, flour, lemon juice, and rind, and beat to mix well, 
although the mixture will have a curdled look. Beat the egg whites until 
they form soft peaks, then fold into the batter. Turn into a 1 1/2 quart 
baking dish and set it in a pan of hot water that comes halfway up the sides 
of the dish. Bake for 50 - 60 minutes. Let cool and serve either tepid or 
chilled, with a pitcher of heavy cream. (I whipped the cream for the top.)

Stacie








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From Audra1976 at aol.com  Thu Apr 24 16:34:55 2003
From: Audra1976 at aol.com (Audra1976 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:34:55 -0400
Subject: new to the group
Message-ID: <2F7AAD6F.709F6F64.022D3A68@aol.com>

"Chase Wildstar" <Chasewildstar at attbi.com> wrote:
<<well congradulations, im a Trek fan myself, but now im hooked on Potter.
Hard to find a single gal that enjoys one or the other or those kinds of
things.>>

ROTFL, Chase!  It really must be, because every time it is revealed that I am a Star Trek/Star Wars/Harry Potter/Anime/Comic book fan I am beseiged by marriage proposals.  Very odd really.  I should write a book for single gals.  Forget about "The Rules."  Just get into science fiction and fantasy.  You'll be fending them off with a sharp stick!

-Audra-




From joym999 at aol.com  Thu Apr 24 16:47:08 2003
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:47:08 -0000
Subject: new to the group
In-Reply-To: <2F7AAD6F.709F6F64.022D3A68@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b894ec+stm7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Audra1976 at a... wrote:

> ROTFL, Chase!  It really must be, because every time it is revealed 
that I am a Star Trek/Star Wars/Harry Potter/Anime/Comic book fan I 
am beseiged by marriage proposals.  Very odd really.  I should write 
a book for single gals.  Forget about "The Rules."  Just get into 
science fiction and fantasy.  You'll be fending them off with a sharp 
stick!


Hmmm.  I am a Star Trek/Star Wars/Harry Potter/sci fi fan and I 
*never* get marriage proposals.  Uh, Audra, do you maybe have a first 
draft of your book that I could take a look at?  Think of it as a 
favor for a fellow HPfGUer who is seriously in need.

--Joywitch, already sharpening her stick




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 24 17:12:08 2003
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenp_97)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:12:08 -0000
Subject: English for everyone?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030424164004.0098fba0@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <b895t8+ob1o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum <hp at p...> wrote:

> 
> Certainly I, as a native speaker of British English, would 
> consider the two to be very close in meaning, although 
> dictionary definition aside, I'd use "dumb" to refer to 
> someone who is naturally stupid or low in intelligence, 
> whilst  I'd use "ignorant" to refer to someone who is not 
> in possession of complete information. Nevertheless, my 
> usage of "ignorant" would imply absence of quite fundamental 
> knowledge, perhaps due to low intelligence, so the rationale 
> has really gone full circle and we're back to "ignorant"=
> "dumb".
> 
> --
> GulPlum AKA Richard, who's wondering if that makes sense.

Perfect sense.  This is basically the same way I use 
"ignorant" and "dumb"... I seem to use "ignorant" when 
talking about politics and "dumb" when describing something 
I do. ;)  Maybe this means that I don't exactly equate 
"dumb" with natural stupidity (although I suppose that's 
part of it), but rather a sense of carelessness.  I've also 
noticed that in my particular usage, "dumb" is a much less 
pejorative term than "stupid".  I wonder if this is because 
of years of elementary school where teachers didn't allow 
kids to even SAY the word "stupid".

-Jen, who noticed the whom example, but had forgotten it 
by the time she was posting her reply. ;)





From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Apr 24 17:31:27 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:31:27 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <007901c30a7e$4bb4c100$dfac86cb@price>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030424172932.00985720@plum.cream.org>

Tabouli wrote:

>While we're on the subject of UK addresses, something that has always 
>perplexed me is those double barrelled postcodes like BS23 3JL.  How do 
>they work?  I've figured out that the 2 letter code in the first bit is an 
>abbreviation of the county, but what's the rest?  Do they divide the 
>county up into bits and number them?  What's with the other bit then, the 
>suburb code?

British postcodes go down to a level of, on average, no more than half a 
dozen residential properties, or a single commercial building. In other 
words, a house number and postcode is enough to identify any given property 
(for instance, the police recommend that people use special "invisible" 
inks to identify their valuables by including that minimum information.)

Even most British people don't have a clue how their postcodes work, so 
here's a quick rundown even for their benefit.

The format is:

LETTER (or two letters) NUMBER (which can be more than one digit) SPACE 
NUMBER (single-digit) LETTER LETTER.

Let's take my previous postcode: SW15 9BJ (I'm not stupid enough to give my 
current one in a public forum). :-)

SW is London South West. London also has E, N, NW, SE and W (see the 
compass points?), there is also EC (East Central), although there is no C; 
S and  NE don't exist either.

London is unique in that the name of the town itself isn't the basis of the 
postcode. The usual routine is that the first letter (or two letters) are 
an abbreviation for the town (or, in rural areas, the nearest large town). 
Bigger towns usually get a single letter (e.g. Birmingham: B; Manchester: 
M) and so smaller towns have to have two (Bristol: BS; Blackburn: BL, etc, 
etc.).

15 (fifteen, not one-five) is a district of of London South West. Because 
this is England, there's not a lot of sense to the way the numbers are 
allocated, as W6 was around one corner, SW7 was around another and SW14 was 
the other side of SW6. SW13 was on the other side of Thames, and I don't 
have a clue where SW16 is. :-)  These numbers (both in London and other 
large cities) have historical connotations, and were in use well before the 
advent of the modern postcode in the sixties.

Then there's a space.

The number 9 following the space is allocated by the Post Office and 
generally identifies a street (but not necessarily). The number itself has 
no historical connotations.

BJ at the end identifies a group of houses, usually not more than five or 
six, sometimes a single one. The letters are meant to have some kind of 
rationale, but I've never been able to determine it (the house next door to 
my previous home was SW15 9BW).

Two Central London postcodes (SW and EC, because of the density of 
commercial properties) can include an extra letter after the first half of 
the code. Thus, for instance, the House of Commons is SW1A 0AA (the House 
of Lords is SW1A 0BB).

Large buildings may be allocated a single postcode, or even a range of 
codes. For instance, BBC television HQ has over 100 postcodes for the 
single building, all starting W14 XXX. Just for completeness, the 
Birmingham BBC HQ is B5 7SD. "B5" is south-west of the city centre (B1); B6 
is north and B4 is way out south-east. So, just like London, the district 
codes make no sense whatsoever. :-)

--
GulPlum AKA Richard, a mine of useless information




From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Apr 24 17:32:27 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:32:27 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] fanfic help-looking for "the Mirror of Maybe"- by Midnight Blue
References: <b88cok+9a52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3EA81FAB.000003.21441@monica>

 

Fanfic help-- looking for "the Mirror of Maybe" by Midnight Blue.
This is the best HP fanfic I have ever read and it is missing from 
fanfiction.net ! Anyone know what is going on- or where I can find 
another posting of it?
 
newbie-lurker spi
 


It's been removed for being a higher than R rating (actually debateable imo
but I'm shaky on the line between R and NC-17 anyway)
Join the Yahoo Group (see address below) - 

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mirror_of_Maybe/?yguid=127829008

As well as updates being posted there it's stored in the files section.
There are attempts to translate it into several other languages. Discussions
on plot points. Frequent cookies (fanfics of the fanfic) etc. If you don't
want that much post you can just get the special announcements option which
means you only get new chapters and author notes.

btw for anyone not reading this - it's a highly original story and very well
written. It is Severus/Harry slash for anyone who doesn't like that sort of
thing but not the Harry we know really (not that he's ooc, just had some
stuff happen to him). Provided your objections to this type of fic aren't
because you're not interested in slash I would suggest that even people who
don't like that particular pairing read the first couple of chapters because
it's an older  au Harry - I can't explain without spoiling the plot.

K



From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Apr 24 18:15:00 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:15:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] UK postcodes: The intrigue!
References: <007901c30a7e$4bb4c100$dfac86cb@price>
Message-ID: <3EA829A4.000001.21441@monica>

 
Tabouli wrote -
Ah yes, David and all ye British folk...
 
While we're on the subject of UK addresses, something that has always
perplexed me is those double barrelled postcodes like BS23 3JL.  How do they
work?  I've figured out that the 2 letter code in the first bit is an
abbreviation of the county, but what's the rest?  Do they divide the county
up into bits and number them?  What's with the other bit then, the suburb
code?
 
I also notice that Canada has similar postcodes.  What's the story there?
 
Tabouli.
 
 The first two letters refer to the town usually or sometimes a nearby town.
OK that's confusing - so for example my postcode starts SL 
even though I live in Windsor because we come under Slough for postal
purposes because Windsor's not all that big. The next number is a code
usually based on a section of a town, a specific suburb, a village etc. No
way you can tell where unless you are a postman or something. then
the final part is a street code. When I order something by mail order or
order pizza they generally take the postcode and their computer will 
give them most of my address so I just need to give a house number.

The exception (slightly) is London where instead of referring to the city
the first bit refers to a section of the city. eg SW for South West. 
Street signs in 
London tend to have the first half of the post code on them - sort of an aid
to navigation. Although Londoners do identify their address by 
borough when talking you're just as likely to hear someone say "I live in
SW1" or whatever - not being a Londoner I don't actually
know exactly where that is but you get the idea.

I assume Canadian postcodes work on the same principle since they're very
British in many ways.

K



From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Apr 24 18:24:10 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:24:10 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030424172932.00985720@plum.cream.org>
References: <007901c30a7e$4bb4c100$dfac86cb@price>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030424191110.00994e40@plum.cream.org>

I did a bit of searching around to see if a web site somewhere includes the 
rationale of British postcodes, and although I couldn't find a complete 
explanation anywhere, I did find several anecdotes about letters delivered 
without postcodes (for the benefit of Non-Brits, the usual "cancellation" 
frank on stamped letters is a message from the postal service reading 
"please use the postcode" - such mail goes through fully automated sorting, 
saving time and money).

Quite possibly the funniest was successful delivery of a letter addressed to:

"The little house just past the building with blue window frames near the 
'Golden Crown' pub, in a Wiltshire village with a charming name I can't 
remember"

:-)

Would US (e.g.) postal services bother trying to decipher such an address?




From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Apr 24 18:23:07 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:23:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Back to Puddings: A Recipe
References: <Law9-F110L6e5f6WVY500002f5d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EA82B8B.000003.21441@monica>

 
 Stacie said -

:). Funnily enough, I remember being so excited in the fifth grade learning 
about the metric system since this would be the new measuring system for the

States - whatever happened to that (1970's era)? I think Burma is the only 
other non-metric country left in this world. 

<snipped one delicious sounding recipe) 

lol - yeah right (insert significant amount of sarcasm there)
Technically the UK is metric (and it's illegal to give prominance to
imperial measurements over metric when selling stuff, but OK to use both)
but I couldn't tell you how much I weigh in kilos or begin to guess at my
height in metres. I estimate distances in feet (or miles), my dad's car
takes gallons of fuel and travels in mph. I buy stuff from the deli in
quarters and halves (of a pound). etc etc. And I'm 26 - officially we've
been using the metric system my entire life and I *never* learnt the
imperial stuff at school - but as far as I'm concerned (with the exception
of HomeEc) you use metric for academic purposes and imperial for everything
else.

Oddly I don't think it odd to calculate in feet and inches but when I have
to calculate pounds, shillings and pence while reading documents it makes my
head hurt.

K



From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Apr 24 21:40:26 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:40:26 -0000
Subject: 101 things to do with OoP when it comes out
Message-ID: <b89lka+55cv@eGroups.com>

1. Read it. [duh!]

2. Use in place of brick in purse as anti-mugger secret weapon.

3. Doorstop.

4. Buy 3 copies and learn to juggle.

5. Place on head and use for training in deportment.

6. As an entry in 'least aerodynamic paper plane' contest.

7. Baton in the Nimbus 2003 relay race.

8. Code book for new high security 'book code' [13, 10, 254 - 13th 
word, 10th line, page 254].

9. As centrepiece to a ceremony in which we honour the trees that 
died to make this copy.

10. errrrrrr.... next set of suggestions, please!

Pip!Squeak (aka Pip)






From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Apr 24 22:49:05 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:49:05 -0000
Subject: 101 things to do with OoP when it comes out
In-Reply-To: <b89lka+55cv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b89pl1+c222@eGroups.com>

Continuing the list . . .

11.  Read it again [duh!]

12.  Buy two and get fit!  (Use each as a 3-pound weight.)

13.  Compose an HP pop quiz for all your friends who *claim* to be HP 
fans.

14.  Use the phoenix illustration for a "Can you draw this?" art 
contest.

15.  It's an excuse to buy a new bookcase!

16.  And paint the walls a matching shade of blue.

17.  Write to the publishers detailing every error in the text.

18.  Try to keep it in mint condition while rereading it at the pool, 
in the subway, over dinner . . . .

19.  Bring it to that "A" list cocktail party and speak only to quote 
Snape.

20.  Lie on your back in a flowerbed and think up more things to do 
with it.

Debbie
admitting with great embarassment that this is her OTC delurk






From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 25 01:26:06 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:26:06 -0000
Subject: UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030424191110.00994e40@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <b8a2re+lp9i@eGroups.com>

GulPlum wrote:

> "The little house just past the building with blue window frames 
near the 
> 'Golden Crown' pub, in a Wiltshire village with a charming name I 
can't 
> remember"
> 
> :-)
> 
> Would US (e.g.) postal services bother trying to decipher such an 
address?

I doubt it, unfortunately.  My mail would find its way to me with 
only my name, town, and state on it, or for that matter, "Harlow 
Lent's old place," town, state, would work just fine, even though 
Harlow is long gone and I never met him.  My postmaster is one of my 
closest friends in town, just because I talk to him a few times a 
week when I go to pick up my mail.  The PO is in the general store, 
and although I could have my mail delivered to my door (well, the end 
of my road anyway), I wouldn't have any contact with human life if I 
did that.  The general store is where you get the news.

We have *two* post offices serving our town of under 1000.  The 
neighboring town, not much bigger, has four that I can think of.  
That's quite a contrast with the three POs that served my hometown of 
50,000 when I was growing up.  I just know that sooner or later the 
US Postal Service is going to discover that it's "inefficient" to 
have so many post offices in tiny little towns, and shut a whole load 
of them down.  But I think it'll be a sad day; we get very good value 
for our money.  For the price of a small office and a part-time 
employee, we get a wonderful gathering places, and heaven knows we 
need more such centers of community.

Amy Z




From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 25 02:25:25 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:25:25 -0000
Subject: UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030424191110.00994e40@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <b8a6al+8oug@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum <hp at p...> wrote:
> 
> Quite possibly the funniest was successful delivery of a letter 
addressed to:
> 
> "The little house just past the building with blue window frames 
near the 
> 'Golden Crown' pub, in a Wiltshire village with a charming name I 
can't 
> remember"
>

ROTFL -- that one just might beat "Mr. H. Potter, The Hut on the 
Rock, The Sea" :-)

Anne U
aka anneu53714 -- the 53714 being my ZIP code...




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Apr 25 05:47:15 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:47:15 -0000
Subject: Ages / Postal Codes / flavors of English
Message-ID: <b8ai53+bk9d@eGroups.com>

Susan Fox-Davis wrote:

<< I do happen to know one other HPFGU listee whom I know to be older 
than I am, since she is the elder sister of a former schoolmate of 
mine, but I won't bust her without her say-so. >>

Me. I'm 45 (until November), but that's hardly worth bragging about 
since Artsy Lynda beat me 53 to 45. But how is it possible for *you* 
to be 40-ish?

Btw, up to now I've forgotten to check whether you know that there is 
a HPfGU-California list (such as it is) at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-California/messages . We're 
making some pathetic efforts to arrange an OoP line party in  ... um 
... Valencia, I think.

Plumski wrote:

<< 15 (fifteen, not one-five) is a district of of London South West. 
Because this is England, there's not a lot of sense to the way the 
numbers are allocated, as W6 was around one corner, SW7 was around 
another and SW14 was the other side of SW6. SW13 was on the other 
side of Thames, and I don't have a clue where SW16 is. :-) These 
numbers (both in London and other large cities) have historical 
connotations, and were in use well before the advent of the modern 
postcode in the sixties. >>

I think we also have that in large USAmerican cities ... at least, 
the middle part of Los Angeles has zip codes that contain the pre-zip 
code "zone" number, like 90033 for what I am told was once LA 33. And 
the numbers are scattered around, like in my old neighborhood, which 
was very densely populated, IIRC there were zip codes like 90004 and 
90005 that represented both sides of the street of one block of an 
east-west street, and then 9004x for blocks between them, and 9006x 
for the north-south blocks... One imagines that the first 30-odd 
"zones" were assigned in a logical sequence, and then they became so 
populous that they were subdivided and only one of the subdivisions 
could keep the old number....

<< BJ at the end identifies a group of houses, usually not more than 
five or  six, sometimes a single one. >>

That's like the "plus-four" on our zip codes. I know my 90291 by 
heart, but have no idea what my 'plus-four' is: 90291-xxxx.

By the way, THANK YOU for this informative and entertaining 
explanation of UK postal codes.

Plumski wrote:

<< Quite possibly the funniest was successful delivery of a letter 
addressed to:
"The little house just past the building with blue window frames near 
the 'Golden Crown' pub, in a Wiltshire village with a charming name I 
can't remember" >>

My friend Lee publishes a fanzine, and one of her subscribers' 
address is his name, "across the street from the Post Office", and 
the zip code (5 digit). Does that count? A widely reported successful 
delivery by U.S.Snail was to:

Hill
John
Mass 

(John Underhill, Andover, Massachusetts) ... that was before zip 
codes.

SPEAKING OF THE INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY OF ENGLISH,
here is a 2  minute audio about US and UK language:
http://www.theworld.org/content/04248.wma




From illyana at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 25 06:24:16 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:24:16 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Postal Codes
In-Reply-To: <b8ai53+bk9d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8A734192-76E6-11D7-AFFA-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>


On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 10:47  , Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) 
wrote:

>
> That's like the "plus-four" on our zip codes. I know my 90291 by
> heart, but have no idea what my 'plus-four' is: 90291-xxxx.
>

Speaking of plus-fours, most people can receive a letter that only has 
their zip+4 as the address - if they live in a house. I think that each 
building has a unique zip+4 - I know that the building which houses my 
apartment (plus 13 other apartments) has its own zip+4, so my apartment 
number would also have to be included in the address. A close friend of 
mine uses only his zip+4 as the return address on letters/packages he 
sends.

Most post offices have zip+4 directories that are available for public 
use, in case you don't know what yours is.

illyana

HPGCv1
a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- 
GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD

visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc


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From macloudt at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 25 08:38:23 2003
From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Ann)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:38:23 -0000
Subject: UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <007901c30a7e$4bb4c100$dfac86cb@price>
Message-ID: <b8as5v+qt8i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> 
wrote:
> Ah yes, David and all ye British folk...
> 
> While we're on the subject of UK addresses, something that has 
always perplexed me is those double barrelled postcodes like BS23 
3JL.  How do they work?

In the case of the above postcode, oh Venerable Salad, BS stands for 
Bristol, though the town from which this postcode hails is a good 20 
miles outside the city, which can be summized from the 23 bit.  
Inside the city you'd find BS1 to something like BS9; in the 
surrounding areas the number are doubled with only a few exceptions.  
23 indicates the town.  Now I'm not entirely sure about the rest, but 
I think the next 3 indicates a section within the town, the J narrows 
it down to a few streets, and the L tells you if the house number is 
even or odd.

> I also notice that Canada has similar postcodes.  What's the story 
there?

Well, thinking back to my old Canadian postcode, M9A 1T6, M stands 
for any address within Toronto proper, 9 indicates the west end 
numbers 1 to 9 run from east to west), A indicates south-central 
location, and the last bit simply narrows it down much like the 
British postcodes do.  As I said, any postcode starting with M is 
bound to be within Toronto proper, other postcode starters, such as 
P, cover thousands of square kilometres (northern Ontario in P's 
case).  Trivial garbage moment:  postcodes beginning with P7A, P7B 
and P7C are found in Thunder Bay.  The letters go from east to west; 
Newfoundland has A, and the Yukon has Z.

Aren't I just a veritable fountain of trivial nonsense?

Mary Ann
(who wishes she could remember important stuff, like her bank card 
PIN number and her kids' names)




From macloudt at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 25 08:59:52 2003
From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Ann)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:59:52 -0000
Subject: UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <b8as5v+qt8i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8ate8+koin@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <macloudt at h...> 
wrote:

<snip postcode babbling>

Profuse apologies for some really awful SPaG in that post.  I must 
learn to lock my kids in the understairs cupboard before sitting down 
at the computer.

::::::looks around:::::  I'm *kidding*!  Honest!  Those muffled 
little cries are coming from next door!

(Anyone get the impression that I didn't get enough sleep last night?)

Anyway, still on the topic of postcodes, I have a strangely-written 
addresses story. DH was a postman for several years, and for some of 
those years he had his round in Locking Castle, a new development 
outside the town.  Every week there'd be a new row of houses and 
completely new streets.  None of the newest houses had numbers, and 
in some cases the streets still didn't have names.  To make things 
really interesting, sometimes the house numbers or even the street 
names would change (all this with no street name signs anywhere).  
And did anyone bother contacting the post office about these 
changes?  Nooooooo.  So every morning Stu played what can only be 
called The Ultimate Postman's Guessing Game.  Brand new properties 
were sent post labelled "Billybob Perkins, Locking Castle, near X".  
Stu being Stu, he delivered the damned things.  Unlike me, he has a 
good memory for names and faces, and provided Billybob had approached 
him once already to complain that he wasn't receiving any mail 
(wonder why? DUH) Stu would find Billybob again.

And were the locals grateful?  Of course not.  His Christmas tips 
didn't cover the price of a cheap bottle of wine.

I hope their sewage backs up.

Mary Ann
(whose DH left Royal Mail a year ago, thankfully)




From tammy at mauswerks.net  Fri Apr 25 10:03:32 2003
From: tammy at mauswerks.net (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:03:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Postal Codes
In-Reply-To: <8A734192-76E6-11D7-AFFA-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
References: <b8ai53+bk9d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3EA8CFB4.560.32E785@localhost>

On 24 Apr 2003 at 23:24, illyana delorean wrote:

> Speaking of plus-fours, most people can receive a letter that only has
> their zip+4 as the address - if they live in a house. I think that
> each building has a unique zip+4 - I know that the building which
> houses my apartment (plus 13 other apartments) has its own zip+4, so
> my apartment number would also have to be included in the address. A
> close friend of mine uses only his zip+4 as the return address on
> letters/packages he sends.
> 
> Most post offices have zip+4 directories that are available for public
> use, in case you don't know what yours is.

We recently got an envelope (a bill, of course) that rather disturbed me.  I know my 
zip+four, and hardly notice that part of my address anymore, but this one got me -- 
it was a zip+SIX!  I can't help but wonder if that's OFFICIALLY coming soon.
***
Tammy
tammy at mauswerks.net






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr 25 12:31:42 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:31:42 -0000
Subject: 101 things to do with OoP when it comes out
In-Reply-To: <b89pl1+c222@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8b9re+pme1@eGroups.com>

Debbie wrote:

> 19.  Bring it to that "A" list cocktail party and speak only to 
quote 
> Snape.

I have sent out an assistant with a reverse Time Turner, and can 
reveal that Snape's only dialogue in OOP is:

"Lord, I have returned to spy for you on Dumbled - AAAAARGH!"

I hope that helps

Yours etc

Frankis & Stein
Infurn Alley




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr 25 12:38:15 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:38:15 -0000
Subject: Geek (was Postal) Codes
In-Reply-To: <8A734192-76E6-11D7-AFFA-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <b8ba7n+8141@eGroups.com>

illyana wrote:

> HPGCv1
> a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-
- 
> GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD

Go on then!  I know I'm only showing my ignorance here, but since 
we're talking about codes, what is this?

Boggles? Elkins? are you there?

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr 25 12:53:03 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:53:03 -0000
Subject: Metrication
In-Reply-To: <3EA82B8B.000003.21441@monica>
Message-ID: <b8bb3f+8546@eGroups.com>

Kathryn wrote:

> lol - yeah right (insert significant amount of sarcasm there)
> Technically the UK is metric (and it's illegal to give prominance 
to
> imperial measurements over metric when selling stuff, but OK to 
use both)
> but I couldn't tell you how much I weigh in kilos or begin to 
guess at my
> height in metres. I estimate distances in feet (or miles), my 
dad's car
> takes gallons of fuel and travels in mph. I buy stuff from the 
deli in
> quarters and halves (of a pound). etc etc. 

Yes, me too, mostly.  Anything to do with motoring really *has* to 
use miles because all the road signs use them, both for distance and 
speed.  But I do think in litres of petrol (gasoline) because that's 
how they're sold now.

I do know roughly what a kilo or a metre is in practical terms too, 
so while I couldn't say if I'm 1.7m or 1.8m tall I know I'm 
something under two metres.  And I did all my science education in 
SI - to the extent that I wince when I hear people talk of 'degrees 
Kelvin'.

But my kids have been much more thoroughly indoctrinated, and have 
no real notion of feet and inches, or pounds and ounces.  So things 
are changing.  I think, to be honest, that the 'metric martyrs' 
(shopkeepers who break the law by selling in imperial units) are 
wasting their time since their clientele will die out soon.

David




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Apr 25 13:55:05 2003
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:55:05 -0000
Subject: Geek (was Postal) Codes
In-Reply-To: <b8ba7n+8141@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8benp+7k2h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "David" wrote:
> illyana wrote:
> 
> > HPGCv1
> > a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++&
> > VC-- 
> > GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD
> 
> Go on then!  I know I'm only showing my ignorance here, but since 
> we're talking about codes, what is this?
> 
> Boggles? Elkins? are you there?
> 
> David

It seems to be a variant of geek code, a hidden system for geeks to 
impart other geeks with knowledge of their knowledge, interests, and 
achievements, though there are clues in this that it is modified to 
suit Harry Potter geeks particularly.  The secret to understanding 
this method of conveying information is contained in a tome kept on 
the Mountain of Despair, beyond the River of Fire, guarded by the 
Dragons of Eternity.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr 25 14:23:32 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:23:32 -0000
Subject: Geek (was Postal) Codes
In-Reply-To: <b8benp+7k2h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8bgd4+57ns@eGroups.com>

Christian wrote:

> The secret to understanding 
> this method of conveying information is contained in a tome kept 
on 
> the Mountain of Despair, beyond the River of Fire, guarded by the 
> Dragons of Eternity.

...or available in all good bookshops from 21st June?

David, who did notice the HaP part




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 25 14:49:36 2003
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:49:36 -0000
Subject: Back to Puddings: A Recipe
In-Reply-To: <3EA82B8B.000003.21441@monica>
Message-ID: <b8bhu0+7ojk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at b...> 
wrote:
>  
>  Stacie said -
> 
> :). Funnily enough, I remember being so excited in the fifth grade 
learning 
> about the metric system since this would be the new measuring system 
for the
> 
> States - whatever happened to that (1970's era)? I think Burma is 
the only 
> other non-metric country left in this world. 
> 
> <snipped one delicious sounding recipe) 
> 
> lol - yeah right (insert significant amount of sarcasm there)
> Technically the UK is metric (and it's illegal to give prominance to
> imperial measurements over metric when selling stuff, but OK to use 
both)
> but I couldn't tell you how much I weigh in kilos or begin to guess 
at my
> height in metres. I estimate distances in feet (or miles), my dad's 
car
> takes gallons of fuel and travels in mph. I buy stuff from the deli 
in
> quarters and halves (of a pound). etc etc. And I'm 26 - officially 
we've
> been using the metric system my entire life and I *never* learnt the
> imperial stuff at school - but as far as I'm concerned (with the 
exception
> of HomeEc) you use metric for academic purposes and imperial for 
everything
> else.
> 
> Oddly I don't think it odd to calculate in feet and inches but when 
I have
> to calculate pounds, shillings and pence while reading documents it 
makes my
> head hurt.
> 
> K

Annemehr:
I'm surprised!  I'm American, but when I was 11 we lived a year 
('71-'72) in Abingdon, and it was metric everywhere!  I know the road 
signs and speedometer, etc. were in km, and I'm pretty sure the food 
packages were g & ml.  The money seemed to be newly gone metric also, 
and they were minting new coins, but there was still plenty of "old 
money" about -- like those really huge 2p pieces, I remember those.  
Coming from the completely Imperial US, I don't remember it as being 
particularly difficult to adjust to, either.  Wonder what happened?

SPEAKING of Abingdon -- did you guys move it or something?  I'm sure I 
remember letters from the States being addressed to me at "Abingdon, 
Berkshire, England" but when I tried to look up any news on the BBC 
site, they have it in Oxfordshire.  Am I going nuts?  Or getting old 
(sheesh, I'm only 42 until July)?

Annemehr
dreaming of taking her kids to Britain for a nice long tour some 
day...




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr 25 14:55:52 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:55:52 -0000
Subject: 101 things to do with OoP when it comes out
In-Reply-To: <b89pl1+c222@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8bi9o+h099@eGroups.com>

Continuing the list . . .

21. Cut, rearrange, and paste the letters into a scrapbook to make 
the complete works of Shakespeare;

22. Open at random pages and use a pin to obtain guidance on those 
crucial life decisions;

23. Hollow out the middle, insert stick of dynamite, donate to local 
HP book burning club;

24. Get 28 copies, paint spots on, use as dominoes;

25. Use 2 copies for that traditional approach to camel-neutering;

26. Replace dust jacket with Penthouse magazine - then you can read 
it on the train without embarrassment;

27. Marinade in wallpaper paste, cut into slices, boil for three 
hours, then offer to guests, saying, "Tripe, Sybill?"

28. Send to Nancy Stouffer, saying you "know she'll want to read it";

29. Yawn, stuff under pillow, and say "This wait for Book 6 is 
*soooo* tiresome";

30.  Gents! Impress the ladies at parties!  Keep a copy in your 
trouser pocket!

David




From illyana at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 25 17:06:41 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:06:41 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Geek (was Postal) Codes
In-Reply-To: <b8ba7n+8141@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <48B54B60-7740-11D7-8381-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>

> illyana wrote:
>
> > HPGCv1
> > a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-
> -
> > GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD
>
> Go on then!? I know I'm only showing my ignorance here, but since
> we're talking about codes, what is this?
>
> Boggles? Elkins? are you there?
>
> David
>

Like someone already said, it's a variation on the classic geek code. 
That one's a HP code. I actually have a geek code yahoogroup with links 
to over 30 codes, in case anyone is as much of a code geek as I am 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/geek_codes/). The group currently has 
two members, so it's not going to clog-up your inbox.

Sorry about the possible rule violation by advertising my group - it 
was just in response to what he asked! I promise!

illyana, who also has a Simpsons geek code in her signature, but has to 
delete it when posting here because it makes her signature too long

HPGCv1
a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- 
GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD

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From selene at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 25 17:05:18 2003
From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:05:18 -0700
Subject: Ages / Postal Codes / flavors of English
Message-ID: <3EA96ACE.848E0515@earthlink.net>

Me:

<< I do happen to know one other HPFGU listee whom I know to be older
than I am, since she is the elder sister of a former schoolmate of
mine, but I won't bust her without her say-so. >>

Catlady Rita:
<Me. I'm 45 (until November), but that's hardly worth bragging about
since Artsy Lynda beat me 53 to 45. But how is it possible for *you*
to be 40-ish?>

The same way it's possible for Alan, I suppose, his birth date and mine
were about a month apart if memory serves.  But hey, if this is what
40-is looks like, we're doing okay.  <preen>

<Btw, up to now I've forgotten to check whether you know that there is
a HPfGU-California list (such as it is) at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-California/messages . We're
making some pathetic efforts to arrange an OoP line party in  ... um
... Valencia, I think.>

Hot doo!  I'll sign on and meet-up.  I've been looking for a line party.

I have one on order from Amazon of course, but that is a back-up in
case I didn't find a line party.  I'll probably give it to my mum, who's

hooked on Harry as well.  [Not a list-joiner though... she'd have
Artsy Lynda beat completely, going on 70 this year.]

<I think we also have that in large USAmerican cities ... at least,
the middle part of Los Angeles has zip codes that contain the pre-zip
code "zone" number, like 90033 for what I am told was once LA 33.>

Before my time.  I think somebody was a very big smarty pants who
designated the Gay-friendly region of West Hollywood [now its
own municipality, independent of LA] as 90069.  The residents
don't seem to be particularly insulted but glory in it.  Good on them!

Susan Fox-Davis
selene at earthlink.net






From boggles at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 25 17:41:30 2003
From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:41:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Geek (was Postal) Codes
In-Reply-To: <b8ba7n+8141@eGroups.com>
References: <b8ba7n+8141@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f00bacf20e84e23@[192.168.1.100]>

At 12:38 PM +0000 4/25/03, David wrote:
>
>Go on then!  I know I'm only showing my ignorance here, but since
>we're talking about codes, what is this?
>
>Boggles? Elkins? are you there?

Ah, the Geek Codes.  The original was a shorthand way for hackers 
(*not* crackers, who are a different and lesser breed of geek) to let 
each other know about their expertise and experience in different 
items of hacker culture.

http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html

As the online community expanded, other geek codes began appearing 
that were of more specific relevance to the online communities they 
were being used in.  An example would be the Personal Growth Geek 
Code, of which I am rather fond:

http://gning.org/geek-code.html

Other ones have sprung up in recent years that are even more 
specific, relating to certain fandoms.

Harry Potter Geek Code: http://writersu.s5.com/extra/geek01.html

-- 
  - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon			boggles(at)earthlink.net
=== Harry Potter Geek Code v1 ===
GHP a e++>+++ x+++* A25 R1 HP4 S+ Mo+ HaP++(/RW+(-))(/DM++(-)) 
HG++/RW+(-) FGW-- GW@ PW++/OW++ BW+ NL++ CC-- CD+ VK+ AD++ MM+++ RH- 
SS+++*& SB- RL++& O+ckt FA->+ FRn/FW+ Sl+ FH+g sfD



From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 25 17:28:35 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:28:35 -0000
Subject: Postal Codes
In-Reply-To: <8A734192-76E6-11D7-AFFA-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <b8br83+bk24@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, illyana delorean 
<illyana at m...> wrote:
 > 
> Most post offices have zip+4 directories that are available for 
public 
> use, in case you don't know what yours is.
> 
>  

Or you can look here on the US Postal Service's website:
http://www.usps.com/zip4/welcome.htm?from=global&page=2132findzip

Anne U
(who likes the web as much as Hermione likes the Restricted Section)




From illyana at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 25 19:24:39 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:24:39 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Postal Codes
In-Reply-To: <b8br83+bk24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8F06D010-7753-11D7-8381-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>

> Or you can look here on the US Postal Service's website:
> http://www.usps.com/zip4/welcome.htm?from=global&page=2132findzip
>
> Anne U
> (who likes the web as much as Hermione likes the Restricted Section)

Wow, thanks! I found out that I was wrong about each building having 
its own +four code - all of the apartments on my floor have the same 
one, and all of the apartments on the first floor of my building have 
the same one. So, maybe it has to do with which floor you're on (if you 
live in an apartment building).

Anyway, thanks again - what a great resource!

illyana

HPGCv1
a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- 
GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD

visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc


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From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 26 01:03:02 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030424191110.00994e40@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <20030426010302.88640.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com>

GulPlum wonders:
> Would US (e.g.) postal services bother
> trying to decipher such an address?

I dare say it would depend on the post 
office...and how busy they are.  Very 
like those letters are sent back to sender.

I do know that some USPS workers give the 
"Dear Santa" letters *very* special treatment 
indeed.  <g>  Just imagine how THOSE are 
addressed!

Petra
a
n  :)

__________________________________________________
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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo
http://search.yahoo.com



From mckosvc at bmts.com  Sat Apr 26 01:11:40 2003
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:11:40 -0000
Subject: Metrication
In-Reply-To: <b8bb3f+8546@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8cmcc+6orq@eGroups.com>

> 
> But my kids have been much more thoroughly indoctrinated, and have 
> no real notion of feet and inches, or pounds and ounces.  > 
> David

Yes, I've noticed the same thing with students who work for me, but 
even then the conversion isn't complete. For instance, when asked to 
tear a piece of tape to 6 inches in length, they stare blankly. If 
asked how tall they are, the answer is in feet and inches! I'm a sad 
mix of SI and imperial as well. I remember drug doses in mg/kg, but 
patients weights in lbs. This has given me the odd, and mostly 
useless skill of being able to divide any number by 2.2 in my head. 
The change to the metric system in Canada has left one interesting 
mark upon us. Ask an American "how far is it from your house to the 
nearest major city?" The answer will be in miles. Ask a Canadian, 
and the answer will not be in miles nor will it be in kms. The 
answer will be in hours, ie how long it takes to drive there!

MMck.




From mckosvc at bmts.com  Sat Apr 26 01:19:08 2003
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:19:08 -0000
Subject: UK postcodes: The intrigue!
In-Reply-To: <20030426010302.88640.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b8cmqc+eg3u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan 
<ms_petra_pan at y...> wrote:
> GulPlum wonders:
> > Would US (e.g.) postal services bother
> > trying to decipher such an address?
> 
> I dare say it would depend on the post 
> office...and how busy they are.  Very 
> like those letters are sent back to sender.
> 
> I do know that some USPS workers give the 
> "Dear Santa" letters *very* special treatment 
> indeed.  <g>  Just imagine how THOSE are 
> addressed!
> 
> Petra
> a
> n  :)
> Do you know Santa's postal code? It follows the Canadian pattern 
letter number letter space number letter number eg N0H 2N0 (mine). 
Santa's is H0H 0H0!
MMcK.
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo
> http://search.yahoo.com




From trisha.masen at verizon.net  Sat Apr 26 01:40:33 2003
From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:40:33 -0400
Subject: new to the group
References: <1051273942.5834.27612.m7@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c30b94$d4024610$0100a8c0@s0023453270>

: Susan Fox-Davis <selene at earthlink.net> writes:
: 
: I've perused some of Fiction Alley but have no idea which are the best
: stories to read until it's too late.  <rolling eyes>  Recommendations
: welcome;  what I really like is Good Storytelling.

I, too, am new and my husband only tolerates my HP addiction.  I've since discovered at 31 that I'm a geek, too, and have webpages to prove it.  HP fanfic recommendations:  http://www.trishamasen.net/writing/Harry_Potter/recommendations.htm  I try to keep it fairly updated.  I only recently branched my ships from H/G, so most of the recommendations at my site are H/G oriented.
~Trisha Masen~
Visit my home page and website


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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 26 03:13:07 2003
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenp_97)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 03:13:07 -0000
Subject: Metrication
In-Reply-To: <b8cmcc+6orq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8ctg3+c5t4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ovc88guelph" <mckosvc at b...>
wrote:

> Ask an American "how far is it from your house to the 
> nearest major city?" The answer will be in miles. Ask a Canadian, 
> and the answer will not be in miles nor will it be in kms. The 
> answer will be in hours, ie how long it takes to drive there!
> 
> MMck.

Ahh... I fear the same is true with Californians.  I can't 
for the life of me remember how far it is to Los Angeles in 
miles (don't even think about asking me how many kilometers 
it is), but I could tell you how long it takes to get there 
(at least, how long it takes to get from my town to West Los
Angeles/Westwood), given the traffic situation. ;)

For instance, it takes 2.5 hours to get there in the best 
of conditions.  Add some slowdowns (which are common) when
transitioning from the SF Valley to the city over the 405, 
and it'll take another half-hour.  Rush hour?  Forget it.  
Take Sepulveda and side streets, and it'll take 3.5 hours.

I can also tell you how long it takes me to get to Fresno, 
to Bakersfield, to San Fransisco, and to Phoenix and Tucson.

Jen P., woman of very strange talents.




From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Apr 26 06:51:13 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: new to the group
In-Reply-To: <001c01c30b94$d4024610$0100a8c0@s0023453270>
Message-ID: <20030426065113.30273.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com>


Susan Fox-Davis <selene at earthlink.net> writes:
> : 
> : I've perused some of Fiction Alley but have no
> idea which are the best
> : stories to read until it's too late.  <rolling
> eyes>  Recommendations
> : welcome;  what I really like is Good Storytelling.

That's why both FA and HPfGU have rec pages, which are
filled with recs by users of both sites (i.e. on FA<
not the admins like me). 

The HPfGU one is at
http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/fanfiction.html

The FictionAlley one (which is mentioned in our
Newbie's Guide in hopes of being of use to those who
are new to fanfic) is here:
http://www.fictionalley.org//fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?&forumid=106

heidi



From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 26 16:54:58 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:54:58 -0000
Subject: Ages / Postal Codes / flavors of English
In-Reply-To: <3EA96ACE.848E0515@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b8edl2+ku23@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Susan Fox-Davis <selene at e...> 
wrote:
 
> <I think we also have that in large USAmerican cities ... at least,
> the middle part of Los Angeles has zip codes that contain the pre-
zip
> code "zone" number, like 90033 for what I am told was once LA 33.>
> 
> Before my time.  I think somebody was a very big smarty pants who
> designated the Gay-friendly region of West Hollywood [now its
> own municipality, independent of LA] as 90069.  The residents
> don't seem to be particularly insulted but glory in it.  Good on 
them!
> 
> Susan Fox-Davis
> selene at e...

Speaking as one old enough to remember (54) and laso as one who had a 
summer job at the Post Office (when it still was the Post Office and 
not the Postal Service), I can explain the last two digits of the zip 
code.  Each individual branch post office had a two digit code, to 
use your example, Los Angeles 33, California; or from when grew up, 
Flushing 58, New York.  Each of these smaller branch offices slaved 
to a larger post office-- in my case the Flushing Main P.O.  This had 
a three digit identifier, 113.  New York city was large enough to 
have many of these "Main" post offices, as did Los Angeles.  The five 
digit zip code was nothing more than putting the two codes together 
and writing them on the envelope so that the sorting would be 
easier.  The last four digit in the "zip plus four" that they 
subsequently tried to introduce-- with mixed success-- was simply 
adding the four digit code for the mailman's route that they had 
always used internally.

Haggridd





From triner918 at aol.com  Sat Apr 26 19:17:53 2003
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:17:53 -0000
Subject: I want the hat!
Message-ID: <b8em11+qtc5@eGroups.com>

This week the Spring Book Fair opened at the school where I work and 
they have a deal if you preorder/purchase OoP you get a really cool 
black ball cap with the title on it and on the inside is the release 
date (6-21-03). You also get a certificate, the looks of which I am 
not certain, since it is all tubed up.  I'm already on the Books-a-
Million reserve list as I believe that they'll probably have a 
midnight party to aid and abet those of us who need the book as soon 
as it is released, so I don't really want to pre-purchase it from 
Scholastic, but...I WANT THE HAT!

Trina, trying to get through IEP season without going barking mad and 
repeating the mantra "Only three more weeks" 





From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 26 20:11:31 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:11:31 -0000
Subject: Proud of my little HP-Poppet
Message-ID: <b8ep5j+2j2e@eGroups.com>

Just had to share that I am now re-reading GOF to Maya (age 6 2/3, 
finishing first grade) - we have read all the other books twice and 
this is our second reading of GOF. The first time I read it to her, 
last fall, when she had just entered 1st grade, it took us about 8 
weeks to read it, averaging 15-20 pages per night. Now, after 
listening to POA, SS and COS again (in that order), her attention 
span has really grown, and it took only 4 nights to read 144 pages 
(through The Dark Mark). We're averaging about 35 pages per night and 
we even read *50* pages last night (Quidditch World Cup and The Dark 
Mark). She always surprises me with what she remembers from books she 
hasn't heard in months - she remembered the leprechauns from the QWC, 
whereas I'd totally forgotten about them. Of course, being so young, 
she has a lot more room left in her brain than Mom does!

Anne U
(who has never forced HP on this child; she simply doesn't want me to 
read anything else to her!!!)




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sat Apr 26 20:46:31 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:46:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I want the hat!
References: <b8em11+qtc5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c30c34$eb558930$809ccdd1@RVotaw>

Trina wrote:

> This week the Spring Book Fair opened at the school where I work and 
> they have a deal if you preorder/purchase OoP you get a really cool 
> black ball cap with the title on it and on the inside is the release 
> date (6-21-03). You also get a certificate, the looks of which I am 
> not certain, since it is all tubed up.  I'm already on the Books-a-
> Million reserve list as I believe that they'll probably have a 
> midnight party to aid and abet those of us who need the book as soon 
> as it is released, so I don't really want to pre-purchase it from 
> Scholastic, but...I WANT THE HAT!

My school isn't having a book fair, but one near my house is (the University Lab School) and I'm not sure if they're going to have OOP or not.  Mainly because the local school board is discouraging it (oh, get over it!).  Anyway, if they have the preorder with the hat I'm getting one.  That'll be, let's see, I've got one preordered from B&N so I can pick it up at midnight, one from Amazon UK so I can have the British edition, and I'm thinking of ordering the deluxe edition.  So this would be a fourth.  But I just got my dad started on HP (he's currently reading GoF) so I told him to wait and if I get this I'll send him the certificate and he can have that one.  But I get the hat. :)

Do you know if they have the hats at the book fair or if it comes from Scholastic later?

Richelle


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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Apr 27 00:42:59 2003
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:42:59 -0000
Subject: Occult/mystical ranting, inspired by main list
Message-ID: <b8f92j+qljq@eGroups.com>

In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/55793 
Hans Ibot Bracchae-Breves wrote about the mystical sympbolism in the 
Harry Potter series.

Hans, I was interested in your explanation of the Seven books as 
depicting Seven liberations necessary to (to what? escape from the 
Wheel of Rebirth? go to a pleasant heaven beyond the stars for an 
eternal afterlife after death?), because Seven is a big-time 
traditional magic number. It correlates with the Seven visible 
planets (which includes Sun and Moon but not Earth) which named our 
Seven days of the week, and with the Seven major chakras.

One use of Seven as a magic number is the claim that 21 is the age 
of adulthood because it is 3 times 7, representing having passed 
through 7 years of infancy, 7 years of childhood, and 7 years of 
adolescence. That actually would fit my experience of human beings 
better if it were 18 as 3 times 6, but Six is not a magic  number. 
(They utter some nonsense about 7 years being the time for every cell 
in the body to be replaced; don't they know that brain cells are 
NEVER replaced?)

There were Seven initiations in the Mithraic Mysteries, which are 
known to have correlated with the planets, altho' I don't really 
understand how they correlate. They are: Raven, Bridegroom or 
Cryphius (hidden), Soldier, Lion, Perseus, Sun, Heliodromos (runner 
/courier of the Sun), and Father. I'd like to mutter incoherently 
about whether they match up with your Seven liberations -- the degree 
would represent Harry AFTER the liberation.

Raven -- has passed from the sphere controlled by the Moon and is now 
under the power of Mercury, winged traveller, sexy trickster, and 
clever thief. The sphere under the Moon is the earthly, worldly, 
material realm, so that matches with your:   

<< In the first book Harry can gain access to the Stone only if 
he doesn't want to use it. He does not want earthly wealth and 
longevity. He has been liberated from the desire to live on the 
physical plane.>>

Bridegroom -- has passed from the sphere controlled by Mercury and is 
now under the power of Venus, goddess of love and (to Romans) 
motherhood. (I don't know what the other name, Cryphius, has to do 
with Venus, but I saw one guy claim that it was a misspelling of 
Gryphon. I dunno what Gryphons have to do with Venus, but I mention 
it because of Gryffindor.) Passing from the sphere controlled by 
Mercury goes well with defeating an enemy made of words and memories, 
but not so well with your:

<< In the second book Harry liberates an elf. Elves, goblins, 
gnomes, fire-salamanders etc. are etheric creatures. Harry achieves 
liberation on the etheric plane (the plane of life force). >>

Btw, to me Dobby seems no more etheric than the gnomes, who giggle, 
eat the roots of garden plants, and bite with their sharp teeth when 
thrown into neighboring gardens. All I know about Potterverse 
salamanders is that the Terrible Twins fed firecrackers to one.

<< In the third book Harry learns to conquer fear. This is liberation 
on the astral (emotional) plane. >>

Soldier -- has passed from the sphere of Venus and is now under the 
power of -- not the Earth, I think it's supposed to be the Sun, 
because of geocentric system irror-images the heliocentric system, 
but the name Soldier sounds more like Mars. And the name Soldier and 
the planet Mars go well with your 'conquering fear' idea. OTOH, 
*each* book in the series COULD be described that way: only PoA has 
Dementors, but each book has fear. 

I wonder if I can say that Harry spends PoA under the power of Venus 
because he spends it under the power of old past relationships, James 
and Sirius, Sirius and Remus, Sirius and Peter, James and Peter, the 
secret Secret Keeper ... His escape from the power of Venus (not 
so's one'd notice in GoF!) would be when he decided to spare Peter's 
life (freedom from vengefulness/anger?) and to save Sirius's and 
Buckbeak's lives. That sounds more solar than martial, but ... 

<< In the fourth book Harry develops his will to such an extent that 
he can actually drive back the curse coming out of Lucifer's 
(Voldemort) wand by pitting his will-power against Lucifer's. The 
eternal soul has achieved liberation on the mental plane. >>

Lion has passed from the previous sphere and is now under the power 
of --- the other one, Sun or Mars. I think Mars is the right place in 
the sequence, but the name Lion seems to me to go better with the 
planet Sun. But the name Lion and planet Sun go better with your idea 
of strength of will. OTOH is competing in the Triwizard Tournament 
being under the power of Mars? We need to see OotP to see if Harry 
is more solar or martial when being a Lion (symbol of Gryffindor 
house!).

<< Awaiting Harry in the next three books are liberation of the 
consciousness in its three aspects: the mental ego, the emotional ego 
and the consciousness ego. >>

Do the remaining three liberations match up with the remaining three 
initiations? 

Persian -- has passed from the previous sphere and is now under the 
power of Jupiter, the good and powerful ruler. Initiates of this 
degree dressed in Persian-style clothing, supposedly to represent 
the people who had brought knowledge of Mithras to the West, but 
David Uansey's astronomical interpretation of Mithraism makes them 
represent the constellation Perseus (the hero who killed Medusa -- 
it occurs to me that Medusa and her snake-hair was similar to TMR and 
his basilisk: both petrified people), which represented Mithras 
himself.

Heliodromos -- has passed from the sphere of Jupiter and is now under 
the power of Saturn. Calling Saturn a runner strikes me as some kind 
of sick joke, but Saturn IS the messenger who warns of the inevitable 
passage of time (the BBC just mentioned the SEVENTEENTH anniversary 
of the Chernobyl disaster, which I remember better than I remember 
yesterday), the arrivals of middle age and old age, and the certainty 
of death.

Pater -- has passed from the sphere of Saturn and is now under only 
the fixed stars, who dot the inner surface of that shell which edges 
the sphere that encloses the heavens/universe. He doesn't have to 
travel very far when he dies, to be beyond the stars. 

THE DESCENT OF INANNA

Another instance of the number Seven is in the Descent of Inanna. 
When she goes to the Land of Death, she passes through seven gates, 
at each of which she must pay a toll. Some people claim that these 
seven gates match the seven major chakras, but I don't see it myself. 
I will first quote the bit where she dresses to go there, from Diane 
Wolkstein's performance based on Samuel Noah Kramer's translation, 
just because I like it, and then I will quote several translations 
of the gates, starting with a different Wolkstein/Kramer.

http://www.gatewaysToBabylon.com/myths/texts/inanna/ts94.htm#part4

>From the Great Above Inanna opened her ear to the Great Below 
She abandoned her seven holy temples to descend to the underworld 
She gathered together the seven Holy Measures, She took them into her 
hands 
With the Holy Measures in her possession, She prepared herself 
She placed the crown on her head 
She arranged the dark locks of hair across her forehead 
She tied beads around her neck 
Let the double strand of beads fall to her breast 
And wrapped the royal robe round her body 
She daubed her eyes with ointment called 'let him come, let him come!' 
Bound the breastplate called 'come, man,come!' around her chest 
Slipped the gold ring over her wrist 
And took the lapis measuring rod and line in her hand.

http://www.piney.com/InanasDescNetherKram.html

When she entered the first gate, From her head, the shugurra, the 
crown of the steppe, was removed. Inanna asked: 'What is this?' She 
was told: 'Quiet, Inanna, the ways of the underworld are perfect. 
They may not be questioned.' 

When she entered the second gate, From her neck the small lapis beads 
were removed.... 

When she entered the third gate, From her breast the double strand of 
beads was removed.... 

When she entered the fourth gate, From her chest the breast plate 
called 'Let hime come, let him come!' was removed.... 

When she entered the fifth gate, From her wrist the gold ring was 
removed.... 

When she entered the sixth gate, From her hand the lapis measuring 
rod and line was removed. ...

When she entered the seventh gate, From her body the royal robe was 
removed.... 

http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr141.htm

123-128Neti, the chief doorman of the underworld, paid attention to 
the instructions of his mistress. He bolted the seven gates of the 
underworld. Then he opened each of the doors of the palace Ganzer 
separately. He said to holy Inana: "Come on, Inana, and enter."

129-133And when Inana entered, the turban, headgear for the open 
country, was removed from her head. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, 
Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, 
you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

When she entered the second gate, the small lapis-lazuli beads were 
removed from her neck....

When she entered the third gate, the twin egg-shaped beads were 
removed from her breast....

When she entered the fourth gate, the "Come, man, come" pectoral was 
removed from her breast....

hen she entered the fifth gate, the golden ring was removed from her 
hand.... 

When she entered the sixth gate, the lapis-lazuli measuring rod and 
measuring line were removed from her hand....

When she entered the seventh gate, the pala dress, the garment of 
ladyship, was removed from her body....


http://www.gatewaysToBabylon.com/myths/texts/classic/ishtardesc.htm
>From Ancient Near Eastern Texts, translated by E.A. Speiser 

When the first gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the great crown on her head.
"Why, o gatekeeper, didst thou take the great crown on my head?"
"Enter, my lady, thus are the rules of the Mistress of the 
Underworld."

When the second gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the pendants on her ears....

When the third gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the chains round her neck....

When the fourth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the ornaments on her breast....

When the fifth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the girdle of birthstones on her hips....

When the sixth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the clasps round her hands and feet....

When the seventh gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the breechcloth round her body....




From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 27 01:01:41 2003
From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (Cristina Rebelo Angelo)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:01:41 +0200
Subject: Mistakes in the films
Message-ID: <BFECIODBAEHNLMBKGOGJAEJECEAA.cristina_angelo@yahoo.com>

Okay, sorry if this has been brought up before... Just got the link, still
exploring (just rewatched PS for the second time; no Cos yet - haven't been
to the movies, only on DVD...)


PS 141 mistakes
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film.php?filmid=1654

CoS 143 mistakes
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film.php?filmid=2434

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From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 27 03:22:07 2003
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Occult/mystical ranting, inspired by main list
In-Reply-To: <b8f92j+qljq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030427032207.18902.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com>

Wow, Rita! I really havent thought about Inanna in such depth since... well a long time ago. Thanks. I'm more of a  Demeter person, with a leaning towards Kali. Especially lately.Not in a very happy mood anymore. Thanks for the insight! Here is a lovely link to "The Burning Times" by Charlie Murphy. A passionate Goddess song that I'm sure that you've heardhttp://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/7308/sound.html BBAlex Fox 

"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/55793 
Hans Ibot Bracchae-Breves wrote about the mystical sympbolism in the 
Harry Potter series.

Hans, I was interested in your explanation of the Seven books as 
depicting Seven liberations necessary to (to what? escape from the 
Wheel of Rebirth? go to a pleasant heaven beyond the stars for an 
eternal afterlife after death?), because Seven is a big-time 
traditional magic number. It correlates with the Seven visible 
planets (which includes Sun and Moon but not Earth) which named our 
Seven days of the week, and with the Seven major chakras.

One use of Seven as a magic number is the claim that 21 is the age 
of adulthood because it is 3 times 7, representing having passed 
through 7 years of infancy, 7 years of childhood, and 7 years of 
adolescence. That actually would fit my experience of human beings 
better if it were 18 as 3 times 6, but Six is not a magic  number. 
(They utter some nonsense about 7 years being the time for every cell 
in the body to be replaced; don't they know that brain cells are 
NEVER replaced?)

There were Seven initiations in the Mithraic Mysteries, which are 
known to have correlated with the planets, altho' I don't really 
understand how they correlate. They are: Raven, Bridegroom or 
Cryphius (hidden), Soldier, Lion, Perseus, Sun, Heliodromos (runner 
/courier of the Sun), and Father. I'd like to mutter incoherently 
about whether they match up with your Seven liberations -- the degree 
would represent Harry AFTER the liberation.

Raven -- has passed from the sphere controlled by the Moon and is now 
under the power of Mercury, winged traveller, sexy trickster, and 
clever thief. The sphere under the Moon is the earthly, worldly, 
material realm, so that matches with your:   

<< In the first book Harry can gain access to the Stone only if 
he doesn't want to use it. He does not want earthly wealth and 
longevity. He has been liberated from the desire to live on the 
physical plane.>>

Bridegroom -- has passed from the sphere controlled by Mercury and is 
now under the power of Venus, goddess of love and (to Romans) 
motherhood. (I don't know what the other name, Cryphius, has to do 
with Venus, but I saw one guy claim that it was a misspelling of 
Gryphon. I dunno what Gryphons have to do with Venus, but I mention 
it because of Gryffindor.) Passing from the sphere controlled by 
Mercury goes well with defeating an enemy made of words and memories, 
but not so well with your:

<< In the second book Harry liberates an elf. Elves, goblins, 
gnomes, fire-salamanders etc. are etheric creatures. Harry achieves 
liberation on the etheric plane (the plane of life force). >>

Btw, to me Dobby seems no more etheric than the gnomes, who giggle, 
eat the roots of garden plants, and bite with their sharp teeth when 
thrown into neighboring gardens. All I know about Potterverse 
salamanders is that the Terrible Twins fed firecrackers to one.

<< In the third book Harry learns to conquer fear. This is liberation 
on the astral (emotional) plane. >>

Soldier -- has passed from the sphere of Venus and is now under the 
power of -- not the Earth, I think it's supposed to be the Sun, 
because of geocentric system irror-images the heliocentric system, 
but the name Soldier sounds more like Mars. And the name Soldier and 
the planet Mars go well with your 'conquering fear' idea. OTOH, 
*each* book in the series COULD be described that way: only PoA has 
Dementors, but each book has fear. 

I wonder if I can say that Harry spends PoA under the power of Venus 
because he spends it under the power of old past relationships, James 
and Sirius, Sirius and Remus, Sirius and Peter, James and Peter, the 
secret Secret Keeper ... His escape from the power of Venus (not 
so's one'd notice in GoF!) would be when he decided to spare Peter's 
life (freedom from vengefulness/anger?) and to save Sirius's and 
Buckbeak's lives. That sounds more solar than martial, but ... 

<< In the fourth book Harry develops his will to such an extent that 
he can actually drive back the curse coming out of Lucifer's 
(Voldemort) wand by pitting his will-power against Lucifer's. The 
eternal soul has achieved liberation on the mental plane. >>

Lion has passed from the previous sphere and is now under the power 
of --- the other one, Sun or Mars. I think Mars is the right place in 
the sequence, but the name Lion seems to me to go better with the 
planet Sun. But the name Lion and planet Sun go better with your idea 
of strength of will. OTOH is competing in the Triwizard Tournament 
being under the power of Mars? We need to see OotP to see if Harry 
is more solar or martial when being a Lion (symbol of Gryffindor 
house!).

<< Awaiting Harry in the next three books are liberation of the 
consciousness in its three aspects: the mental ego, the emotional ego 
and the consciousness ego. >>

Do the remaining three liberations match up with the remaining three 
initiations? 

Persian -- has passed from the previous sphere and is now under the 
power of Jupiter, the good and powerful ruler. Initiates of this 
degree dressed in Persian-style clothing, supposedly to represent 
the people who had brought knowledge of Mithras to the West, but 
David Uansey's astronomical interpretation of Mithraism makes them 
represent the constellation Perseus (the hero who killed Medusa -- 
it occurs to me that Medusa and her snake-hair was similar to TMR and 
his basilisk: both petrified people), which represented Mithras 
himself.

Heliodromos -- has passed from the sphere of Jupiter and is now under 
the power of Saturn. Calling Saturn a runner strikes me as some kind 
of sick joke, but Saturn IS the messenger who warns of the inevitable 
passage of time (the BBC just mentioned the SEVENTEENTH anniversary 
of the Chernobyl disaster, which I remember better than I remember 
yesterday), the arrivals of middle age and old age, and the certainty 
of death.

Pater -- has passed from the sphere of Saturn and is now under only 
the fixed stars, who dot the inner surface of that shell which edges 
the sphere that encloses the heavens/universe. He doesn't have to 
travel very far when he dies, to be beyond the stars. 

THE DESCENT OF INANNA

Another instance of the number Seven is in the Descent of Inanna. 
When she goes to the Land of Death, she passes through seven gates, 
at each of which she must pay a toll. Some people claim that these 
seven gates match the seven major chakras, but I don't see it myself. 
I will first quote the bit where she dresses to go there, from Diane 
Wolkstein's performance based on Samuel Noah Kramer's translation, 
just because I like it, and then I will quote several translations 
of the gates, starting with a different Wolkstein/Kramer.

http://www.gatewaysToBabylon.com/myths/texts/inanna/ts94.htm#part4

>From the Great Above Inanna opened her ear to the Great Below 
She abandoned her seven holy temples to descend to the underworld 
She gathered together the seven Holy Measures, She took them into her 
hands 
With the Holy Measures in her possession, She prepared herself 
She placed the crown on her head 
She arranged the dark locks of hair across her forehead 
She tied beads around her neck 
Let the double strand of beads fall to her breast 
And wrapped the royal robe round her body 
She daubed her eyes with ointment called 'let him come, let him come!' 
Bound the breastplate called 'come, man,come!' around her chest 
Slipped the gold ring over her wrist 
And took the lapis measuring rod and line in her hand.

http://www.piney.com/InanasDescNetherKram.html

When she entered the first gate, From her head, the shugurra, the 
crown of the steppe, was removed. Inanna asked: 'What is this?' She 
was told: 'Quiet, Inanna, the ways of the underworld are perfect. 
They may not be questioned.' 

When she entered the second gate, From her neck the small lapis beads 
were removed.... 

When she entered the third gate, From her breast the double strand of 
beads was removed.... 

When she entered the fourth gate, From her chest the breast plate 
called 'Let hime come, let him come!' was removed.... 

When she entered the fifth gate, From her wrist the gold ring was 
removed.... 

When she entered the sixth gate, From her hand the lapis measuring 
rod and line was removed. ...

When she entered the seventh gate, From her body the royal robe was 
removed.... 

http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr141.htm

123-128Neti, the chief doorman of the underworld, paid attention to 
the instructions of his mistress. He bolted the seven gates of the 
underworld. Then he opened each of the doors of the palace Ganzer 
separately. He said to holy Inana: "Come on, Inana, and enter."

129-133And when Inana entered, the turban, headgear for the open 
country, was removed from her head. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, 
Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, 
you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

When she entered the second gate, the small lapis-lazuli beads were 
removed from her neck....

When she entered the third gate, the twin egg-shaped beads were 
removed from her breast....

When she entered the fourth gate, the "Come, man, come" pectoral was 
removed from her breast....

hen she entered the fifth gate, the golden ring was removed from her 
hand.... 

When she entered the sixth gate, the lapis-lazuli measuring rod and 
measuring line were removed from her hand....

When she entered the seventh gate, the pala dress, the garment of 
ladyship, was removed from her body....


http://www.gatewaysToBabylon.com/myths/texts/classic/ishtardesc.htm
>From Ancient Near Eastern Texts, translated by E.A. Speiser 

When the first gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the great crown on her head.
"Why, o gatekeeper, didst thou take the great crown on my head?"
"Enter, my lady, thus are the rules of the Mistress of the 
Underworld."

When the second gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the pendants on her ears....

When the third gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the chains round her neck....

When the fourth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the ornaments on her breast....

When the fifth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the girdle of birthstones on her hips....

When the sixth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the clasps round her hands and feet....

When the seventh gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the breechcloth round her body....


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From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Apr 27 10:28:02 2003
From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (Hans)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:28:02 -0000
Subject: Occult/mystical ranting, inspired by main list
In-Reply-To: <b8f92j+qljq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8gbbj+42el@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" wrote:
> In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/55793 
> Hans Ibot Bracchae-Breves wrote about the mystical sympbolism in 
the 
> Harry Potter series.
> 
> Hans, I was interested in your explanation of the Seven books as 
> depicting Seven liberations necessary to (to what? escape from the 
> Wheel of Rebirth? go to a pleasant heaven beyond the stars for an 
> eternal afterlife after death?), because Seven is a big-time 
> traditional magic number. It correlates with the Seven visible 
> planets (which includes Sun and Moon but not Earth) which named our 
> Seven days of the week, and with the Seven major chakras.

Rita,

Many thanks for your long message in reply to mine. I appreciate the 
time you've put into this.

I'm afraid I have absolutely no knowledge of the Mithraic Mysteries, 
and I will have to read your email many many times to be able to 
comprehend it and possibly react to it.

There is one question which I think I can answer right away. You 
ask, "liberation from what?" I have been deliberately vague on this 
so that it will provoke people to ask just that sort of question.

Yes, liberation from the wheel of reincarnation, of course. That's 
too obvious. No not a pleasant eternal life after death. I think I 
have made that clear in a new posting to HPFGU yesterday. Heaven 
forbid! I think I'd die of boredom.

By liberation I mean liberation from ourselves! Liberation from the 
three dimensional consciousness, from our prejudices, our sympathies 
and antipathies, our lack of compassion, our cowardice, our 
selfishness. By liberation I mean the liberation of the Harry Potter 
who is dormant as a living Philosopher's Stone deep within the red 
blood of our hearts. Liberation is Ron (us) sacrificing himself so 
that heir of Godric can develop, step by step, from a totally 
helpless infant, to an eternal Son of the Potter of the Universe, 
totally free, with a multidimensional consciousness, to be 
compassionate, radiating love, working relentlessly for the 
liberation of the whole of humanity. 

Just a minor comment about Harry's liberation from fear in Book 3. 
Yes, fear is mentioned in all the books, but the clue is that Lupin 
says to Harry that what he fears is fear itself. The whole point of 
the book is Harry's unremitting struggle to overcome his fear of 
fear. At the end  Harry wins the battle. To accentuate Harry's growth 
in the astral plane Dr Rowling has Harry blowing up his aunt at the 
beginning of the book. In other words Harry has very little control 
over his emotions. At the end of the book Harry has achieved mastery 
over his astral body - he has triumphed over the most powerful 
emotion of all: He has overcome fear of fear itself!

Another minor comment on etheric beings: yes in Dr Rowling's books 
elves, gnomes, mermaids etc are physical. However my theory is that 
they really do exist in the real world and that they are etheric. 
They are invisible to our muggle eyes. I love Stan's contemptuous 
description of us: 'Don' listen properly, do they? Don' look properly 
either. Never notice nuffink, they don'.' Yes ok in the magical world 
they dig up earth. I don't think we should take the books too 
literally though. It has to be credible to us muggles! 

I have read somewhere that salamanders are etheric creatures that 
live in fire. Dr Rowling hasn't dreamed that up. The same with 
mermaids, undines, nymphs etc. living in water.

In my opinion your message is extremely valuable and I thank you 
sincerely. I need time to absorb it and possibly do some research.

All I can say is how wonderful it is that HPFGU provides people of so 
many backgrounds and pursuations the opportunity to pool their their 
ideas and enrich everyone.

Thanks, Rita!

Hans











From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 27 15:02:02 2003
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 27 Apr 2003 15:02:02 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1051455722.26.71041.m13@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

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Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 
Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

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From jeopardy18 at attbi.com  Mon Apr 28 01:01:59 2003
From: jeopardy18 at attbi.com (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:01:59 -0000
Subject: New chapter of Slytherin Rising
Message-ID: <b8hui7+7fbk@eGroups.com>

Chapter 7 of part 4 of the Slytherin Rising saga has just been 
posted.  Slytherin Rising is written by J.L. Matthews and can be 
found on Faniction.net and the Schoogle section of Fiction Alley.




From triner918 at aol.com  Mon Apr 28 02:25:02 2003
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:25:02 -0000
Subject: I want the hat!
In-Reply-To: <001a01c30c34$eb558930$809ccdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <b8i3du+rhvk@eGroups.com>

Richelle wondered, "Do you know if they have the hats at the book 
fair or if it comes from Scholastic later?"  

At our book fair they had a box of them sitting out so I could drool 
over them, like a vampire kid over blood-flavored lollipops.  

Trina




From kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 28 13:16:16 2003
From: kcawte at blueyonder.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:16:16 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <3EAD29A0.000003.90313@monica>

OK this is OT in every way - but is anyone else having major problems with
Yahoo? Because for the last few days I've been getting messages in odd
orders, some days late and some twice. I'm not sure whether it's Yahoo or my
e-mail provider.Since they both tend to be abyssmal could go either way -
but this is much much worse than usual and is making it very hard to follow
conversations.

So is anyone else having this problem or do I need to e-mail my e-mail
company and complain?

K



From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 28 13:29:33 2003
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (martha)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:29:33 -0000
Subject: 101 things to do with OoP when it comes out/postcodes
In-Reply-To: <b8bi9o+h099@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8jabt+b22s@eGroups.com>

Just a few ideas from a hardly-ever-posting poster:

31. Sell it on Ebay in a couple of months. Use proceeds to buy house 
in central London.

32. Compare with results of "infinite number of monkeys with infinite 
number of typewriters" experiment. (Apparently this is how Nancy 
Stouffer writes her books - just kidding.)

33. Take weekend off work to read it. (I've already booked the time 
off. Boss is less than joyful.)

34. Place multiple copies strategically about house (on ropes, in 
piles near doors, attached to light switch pulls, etc) in order to 
trap/injure any would-be burglars, bungling yet weirdly loveable, who 
may attempt to break into your house over the Christmas period. (I 
hope Chris Columbus isn't reading this. The movies are Macauley'd up 
enough as it is.) Ahem.

35. If you are a short Charms professor, stand on copies in order to 
see clearly over desk.

36. Papier mache.

37. Er... origami?

38. Er...

39. That's it.

40. Oh, you could read it again, I suppose.

On another note: As far as I'm aware, all of Cornwall has Plymouth 
postcodes (which start PL), even though Plymouth is pretty small, 
because nowhere in Cornwall is big enough to warrant getting its own 
postcode. Plymouth, by the way, is in Devon, not Cornwall.

Oh, and once a postcard made it to my Dad, despite being addressed 
to "Neil, Snooty Towers, Big house, Corner of the road off Mutley 
Plain, Cornwall, PL4". That would be in Plymouth, then. Daaah!

Thanks for listening to my babbling,

Martha the Punk House-Elf




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Mon Apr 28 16:50:20 2003
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:50:20 -0000
Subject: Chomsky on LOTR
Message-ID: <b8jm4c+jldi@eGroups.com>

A parody actually, but quite amusing:

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2003/04/22fellowship.html

   - CMC




From jeopardy18 at attbi.com  Mon Apr 28 20:27:45 2003
From: jeopardy18 at attbi.com (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:27:45 -0000
Subject: Chomsky on LOTR
In-Reply-To: <b8jm4c+jldi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8k2s1+oi7m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> A parody actually, but quite amusing:
> 
> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2003/04/22fellowship.html
> 
>    - CMC

Leave Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky alone.  They are America's 
greatest intelectuals.  You should try reading some of their books, 
and the books of Michael Parenti.




From macloudt at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 28 19:34:39 2003
From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Ann)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:34:39 -0000
Subject: 101 things to do with OoP when it comes out/postcodes
In-Reply-To: <b8jabt+b22s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8jvof+dede@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "martha" 
<fakeplastikcynic at h...> wrote:

> On another note: As far as I'm aware, all of Cornwall has Plymouth 
> postcodes (which start PL), even though Plymouth is pretty small, 
> because nowhere in Cornwall is big enough to warrant getting its 
own 
> postcode. Plymouth, by the way, is in Devon, not Cornwall.

:::::pulls out holiday accommodation papers:::::  Actually, Penwith, 
the southerly tip of Cornwall by Penzance, has a TR code, which I'm 
assuming is Truro.  I thought it was PZ for Penzance, but that's the 
code on the fishing boats.  Duh!

BTW Penwith is well worth a visit, if ever you have the chance.  
Beautiful beaches and Celtic stones, circles, and holy wells galore.  
And the locals are such friendly people.  It's my and DH's dream to 
move down there eventually, though the house prices have gone sky-
high lately.  
 
> Oh, and once a postcard made it to my Dad, despite being addressed 
> to "Neil, Snooty Towers, Big house, Corner of the road off Mutley 
> Plain, Cornwall, PL4".

Oh, I love it!  Royal Mail has a special centre in Belfast where 
incorrectly- and strangely-addressed letters are either deciphered or 
condemned.  I came across some examples once, and darned if I can 
remember any, but there were several along the lines of "the cottage 
with the blue door and flowery net curtains next to the post office 
in a little village on the number 5 bus route out of Reading".  Kudos 
to Royal Mail; a lot of these letters are properly delivered, albeit 
a few weeks late.
 
> Thanks for listening to my babbling,

And mine! 

> Martha the Punk House-Elf

Dizzy the eccentric List-Elf in charge of eclair baking
(aka Mary Ann)




From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 28 22:03:38 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Help
In-Reply-To: <3EAD29A0.000003.90313@monica>
Message-ID: <20030428220338.25351.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com>

Kathryn Cawte:
> OK this is OT in every way - but is
> anyone else having major problems with
> Yahoo? Because for the last few days
> I've been getting messages in odd
> orders, some days late and some twice.
> I'm not sure whether it's Yahoo or my
> e-mail provider.Since they both tend
> to be abyssmal could go either way -
> but this is much much worse than usual
> and is making it very hard to follow
> conversations.
> 
> So is anyone else having this problem
> or do I need to e-mail my e-mail
> company and complain?

Can't say for sure that it's only Yahoo's 
fault (for all I know it's a combo of 
both Yahoo and your provider) but for 
what it's worth, I've been having problems 
with getting the emails too.

Of course, when you choose to get the 
individual posts emailed (as opposed to 
the digests, which are numbered) you can't 
even tell when you've missed posts until 
threads pop up out of nowhere and you've no 
idea the conversation had started...or when 
all of a sudden the emails stop altogether.  
Very frustrating, no?

Petra, who's been bounced inexplicably too
a
n  :|

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Apr 28 23:07:42 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:07:42 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I want the hat!
Message-ID: <49.2dca3c5d.2bdf0e3e@aol.com>

Trina wrote: 

> they have a deal if you preorder/purchase OoP you get a really cool 
> black ball cap with the title on it and on the inside is the release 
> date (6-21-03). You also get a certificate, 

Dang!  I preordered from Amazon.com as soon as it was available.  I think 
there's some certificate involved (there was one online), but I'd like a hat 
too.  Shouldn't those of us who were willing to be the first to order get a 
prize too (OTHER than the book, I mean!  heehee)???

Lynda  Sappington
 <A HREF="http://www.thesculptedhorse.com">Equine Art by Lynda Sappington</A> (www.TheSculptedHorse.com)
Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin.  
Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver.


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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon Apr 28 23:49:20 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:49:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I want the hat!
References: <b8i3du+rhvk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c30de0$ca66b570$919ccdd1@RVotaw>

Trina wrote:

> Richelle wondered, "Do you know if they have the hats at the book 
> fair or if it comes from Scholastic later?"  
> 
> At our book fair they had a box of them sitting out so I could drool 
> over them, like a vampire kid over blood-flavored lollipops.  

Oh, I am SO mad.  I went to the book fair today at the university Lab School and they didn't have them.  Admittedly there was no one at the register at the moment to ask, but surely, *surely* there should've been a sign somewhere "preorder HP OOP" and so on.  Nothing.  There was a large Harry Potter display with the first four books and lots of coloring books, sticker books, journals, etc.  But I wanted the hat!!! Waaaahhhh!!!  I've been in a very lousy mood since then!  Grr.  I may check back in a couple of days--just in case.

Richelle


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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 29 04:34:39 2003
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:34:39 -0000
Subject: You-Know-Who Outsells Rowling!
Message-ID: <b8kvcv+dnlg@eGroups.com>

Check out this shocking exclusive from Scrappleface, the blog that 
made the phrase Axis of Weasels part of the general discourse:

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000864.html


    - CMC




From tammy at mauswerks.net  Tue Apr 29 05:09:24 2003
From: tammy at mauswerks.net (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:09:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You-Know-Who Outsells Rowling!
In-Reply-To: <b8kvcv+dnlg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3EADD0C4.29506.2AFF027@localhost>

On 29 Apr 2003 at 4:34, Caius Marcius wrote:

> Check out this shocking exclusive from Scrappleface, the blog that
> made the phrase Axis of Weasels part of the general discourse:
> 
> http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000864.html
> 
> 
>     - CMC

Oh, that was HILARIOUS!  Thanks for sharing that!  :-)  You need to scroll down 
and read the comments about the blurb, too -- they're quite amusing as well.  I had 
to bookmark this site.  That, The Onion, TomatoNation.com, and a few others are 
really great places to read.
***
Tammy
tammy at mauswerks.net






From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 12:52:02 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:52:02 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP section at KY Derby festival
Message-ID: <156.1eb9e61e.2bdfcf72@aol.com>


I posted this on the HP movie list, and someone suggested I should post it 
here, so here goes!? There's a new festival as part of the Kentucky Derby 
festivities this year, called Village Place.? It takes place at the 
Louisville Slugger Park in Louisville (yes, "Louisville Slugger" like the 
baseball bat -- it's a ball park).? There are various "villages" as part of 
Village Place, one of which is the Children's Village.? The Children's 
Village will feature a Harry Potter section.? I don't know what all is 
planned for that area (since I'm in another "Village"), but I was told by one 

of the organizers that they will have the Lego Grand Master Builders there 
creating a 15 foot tall "Hagrid."? I will try to get a photo of it so I can 
share it with the rest of you, but no guarantees!? The festival is May 1-3 
and the hours are 10 AM to 10 PM (I think -- my brain is fuzzy with all the 
work of getting ready to go). You can watch the Derby Saturday afternoon on 
the giant screens in the ball park.? For more info on the festival 
(directions, etc.), click here:?? <A HREF="http://villageplace.org/villageplace.htm">Village Place - A Derby Experience Unlike 
Any Other.</A>? (And if you'd like to meet a fellow Potter fan, look for me in 
the entrance of the Fine Arts Village -- Equine Art by Lynda Sappington -- 
I'd love to meet fellow Potter fans!)




Lynda Sappington
 <A HREF="http://www.thesculptedhorse.com/">Equine Art by Lynda Sappington</A>  Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast 
porcelain, handcast paper and resin.  Also jewelry with an equine theme in 
14K gold and sterling silver.


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 12:53:24 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:53:24 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter section at festival
Message-ID: <19e.13e5032e.2bdfcfc4@aol.com>

Ooopsie!  My sincere apologies!  Someone suggested I also post this message 
at the "OT Chatter" board and in my haste (I AM getting ready to leave . . .) 
I accidentally put it on the Movies board twice.  My apologies!!!

Lynda 
* * *
"Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA


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From timregan at microsoft.com  Tue Apr 29 15:54:44 2003
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:54:44 -0000
Subject: Is AYMT Life Affirming? (was What Cuaron will bring to PoA)
Message-ID: <b8m784+eb8o@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Nia" wrote:

> But, unlike the "truth"-obsessed 
> young filmmakers who seem driven 
> to bring out the absolute worst in 
> everyone and everything and leave 
> their audiences in a gothic angsty 
> funk, Cuar?n's film is strangely 
> life-affirming even in its 
> saddest moments.  I think this is 
> an extraordinary achievement and 
> bodes very well for PoA.   

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Is this true? Whilst Ana's role is life affirming, she also makes 
the homosexuality which has lain implicitly inside Tenoch and 
Julio's relationship come explicitly to the fore. The result of this 
realization is that they stop seeing each other and only meet once 
more in their lives, for a brief cup of coffee. Is that life 
affirming? It wasn't for me. It was thought provoking, and it was 
believable, but I wouldn't call it life affirming.

But I do have very high hopes of his treatment of PoA.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.





From rainbow at rainbowbrite.net  Tue Apr 29 17:09:36 2003
From: rainbow at rainbowbrite.net (Katy Cartee)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:09:36 -0400
Subject: 'Harey' Potter - the bunny who lived
References: <b8m784+eb8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <028701c30e72$1d4c34e0$2302a8c0@sysonline.com>

This is *totally* OT, but was exciting for me and thought it might be a kute story to tell...so if you like animals, read on :)

You'll never guess what happened to me and Cliff (my boyfriend) over the weekend! Here goes...Saturday evening, while i was at work, Cliff put On-X (my dog) out in the fenced-in back yard to let her run around for a bit. Well he checked on her a little while later and she wouldn't come when he called her (but he could see her), so he figured she was just sniffing something and let her stay out awhile longer. Well later on, he went back out to get her and noticed her "playing" with something. And it turned out that she had discovered 4 baby bunnies!!! 

Well the rabbits were scared out of their wits, obviously. But On-X hadn't actually done any damage to them. So Cliff picked them up and brought them inside. He put 'em in a box in a dark room so that they could calm down and then did a little research on the internet to see what to do with them. 

Well then i got home from work and he told me the whole story. So i got a flashlight and went outside with On-X again just to look around at the nest. And she found a FIFTH bunnie!! The poor little thing was just laying on the ground, all cold and almost lifeless. So i grabbed it up and took it inside to warm it up. 

(trying to make a long story short) One lady that Cliff talked to said that she'd be surprised if they survived the night, because baby bunnies are so fragile, they can easily be "scared to death" literally. But when i woke up Sunday morning and checked on them, only one had died during the night. So i fed the four that were left some milk with an eye dropper. Then we were able to get in contact with a lady that does wildlife rescue in our area and she said to bring them to her right away. 

Well, during the day, another bunny had passed away, so there were only 3 left. And they seemed to be doing pretty well (as far as being active and all). So we rushed them to the lady's house and she said that they were severly dehydrated and that she thinks the mother rabbit had been gone for several days. So she said she'd "sub-que" them (don't know what that means) and just hope for the best. 

So we called her back Monday evening to check on the three, and 2 hadn't made it. But there was one little guy left and she said that he seemed to be doing great and she thinks he'll make it and be just fine. And so i've dubbed him "Harey Potter, the bunnie who lived"...hehe  I'm hoping that we'll get to see him one more time and take a picture before she re-releases him into the wild. 

So On-X is a hero for finding them, we did what we could for them and at least we helped one little fellow out. And yesterday i was outside with my brother and we think we found the momma bunny - dead under a bush  All that was left was a carcass and fur...but we're pretty sure it was her. So these bunnies would have had no chance without a mother. Yay On-X, the hunter!  And long live Harey!

~Katy~

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From jeanico at securenet.net  Tue Apr 29 17:59:45 2003
From: jeanico at securenet.net (jeanico2000)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:59:45 -0000
Subject: 'Harey' Potter - the bunny who lived
Message-ID: <b8meih+tmbg@eGroups.com>

A real heart warming story...even more so for me because I own 2 
miniature bunnies who are the most wonderful, intelligent little 
pets you can imagine!
Nicole




From jenw118 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 29 18:01:26 2003
From: jenw118 at yahoo.com (Jennifer R. Wilson)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:01:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 'Harey' Potter - the bunny who lived
In-Reply-To: <028701c30e72$1d4c34e0$2302a8c0@sysonline.com>
Message-ID: <20030429180126.49156.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com>


What an adorable story!

I really hope the bunnies make it okay.  For rabbits, the mother doesn't stay with them 24/7 but visits them throughout the day and feeds them usually twice daily.  How sad that she died.  

Glad to hear that your dog didn't kill the rabbits.  I had to laugh at this story because we have a litter of domestic Holland Lop bunnies that I'm keeping one as a pet, and one of my possible names is Harry :)

Or Draco...or Hermione...  any suggestions guys? Or am I completely stupid for naming a pet off of a HP character? 

Jennifer


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From timregan at microsoft.com  Tue Apr 29 18:04:17 2003
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:04:17 -0000
Subject: Back to Puddings: A Recipe
In-Reply-To: <b8bhu0+7ojk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8mer1+sqo2@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote:
> I'm surprised!  I'm American, but when I was 11 we 
> lived a year ('71-'72) in Abingdon, and it was metric 
> everywhere!  I know the road signs and speedometer, etc. 
> were in km

That wasn't true for the rest of the UK, it may just have been an 
experiment in Abingdon (a less successful one than Radiohead). Speed 
signs in the UK were, and are, done in miles per hour: 
<http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs04.shtml>. Speedometers are in 
miles per hour too, though they also show kilometers.

Cheers,

Tim.




From hebrideanblack at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 29 20:27:39 2003
From: hebrideanblack at earthlink.net (Wendy St. John)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:27:39 -0700
Subject: 101 Things/Postcodes
Message-ID: <410-220034229202738801@earthlink.net>

Just jumping in on the Royal Mail topic with my own story regarding Mary
Ann's (Dizzy Elf's) comment below:

> Oh, I love it!  Royal Mail has a special centre in Belfast where=20
> incorrectly- and strangely-addressed letters are either deciphered or=20
> condemned.  I came across some examples once, and darned if I can=20
> remember any, but there were several along the lines of "the cottage=20
> with the blue door and flowery net curtains next to the post office=20
> in a little village on the number 5 bus route out of Reading".  Kudos=20
> to Royal Mail; a lot of these letters are properly delivered, albeit=20
> a few weeks late.

I have the utmost in respect for the Royal Mail. When I was living in
Scotland, I once ordered something from a website, and somehow the woman
sending the package from somewhere down in the south of England missed the
part where I wrote my whole address, and just mailed the package to "Wendy
St. John, Gullane." I was amazed when the package reached me addressed like
that (and in a timely manner, at that). The postie did include a small and
very polite note asking that in future I please give out the entire
address. <G> We'd only lived in the village for a couple of months at that
time, too, so it wasn't as though they'd been delivering mail to me for
years and years. Pretty cool. Not to knock the USPS (who delivers my mail
now, and does an admirable job), but I always loved having my post
delivered by an organization called the "Royal Mail." Sounds more romantic
or something. :-)


Wendy 
hebrideanblack at earthlink.net
(Who's been back in California for four months now, and is missing the heck
out of Scotland!)








From innermurk at catlover.com  Tue Apr 29 20:49:24 2003
From: innermurk at catlover.com (innermurk)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:49:24 -0000
Subject: HP lego Snape
Message-ID: <b8mogk+pkqg@eGroups.com>

Hi.
I have a question about the lego sets. I bought a few and noticed 
that Snape always has a glow in the dark head and grey hands. Is 
there a specific reason for this? It wasn't obvious to me. All the 
other figures have the typical yellow head and hands.

What's up with Snape?
You can email me offlist with an answer if you want.

Innermurk




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Apr 30 01:37:59 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:37:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP section at KY Derby festival
References: <156.1eb9e61e.2bdfcf72@aol.com>
Message-ID: <011301c30eb9$28b7d220$dba2cdd1@RVotaw>

Lynda Sappington wrote:

> Village Place, one of which is the Children's Village.  The Children's 
> Village will feature a Harry Potter section.  I don't know what all is 
> planned for that area (since I'm in another "Village"), but I was told by one 
> of the organizers that they will have the Lego Grand Master Builders there 
> creating a 15 foot tall "Hagrid."  I will try to get a photo of it so I can 

Why, oh why, oh why am I stuck in this stupid state? (sorry, don't mean to offend anyone, I've lived here all my life, it gets old)  I want to go to Kentucky where they know what horse racing is and can name a famous horse besides Secretariat and Man O' War.  Not to mention building Hagrid out of Legos.  I love Legos.  :(  Don't think the thought of skipping work the next few days and heading for Louisville.  My uncle's even going through there on business on Thursday.  He could've dropped me off.  Problem is, I'm not quite sure how I'd get home again!  Ah, well, must stay here and be responsible.  (how boring)

> <A HREF="http://www.thesculptedhorse.com/">Equine Art by Lynda Sappington</A>  > Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast 
> porcelain, handcast paper and resin.  Also jewelry with an equine theme in 
> 14K gold and sterling silver.

<gasp>  You actually made that stuff?  Wow.  Amazing.  Positively amazing.  (I'm a long time horse racing fan.  Predates Harry Potter by a LONG ways.)

Richelle


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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Apr 30 01:43:00 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:43:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP lego Snape
References: <b8mogk+pkqg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011601c30eb9$d5a0a700$dba2cdd1@RVotaw>

Innermurk wrote:

> I have a question about the lego sets. I bought a few and noticed
> that Snape always has a glow in the dark head and grey hands. Is
> there a specific reason for this? It wasn't obvious to me. All the
> other figures have the typical yellow head and hands.

Hmm, that's a good question.  I double checked my Legos (I have all the HP
sets except for one--the Forbidden Forest) and Snape is indeed the only one
with the weird head.  What's up with that?   My best guess is someone at the
Lego place is a believer in the "Snape is a vampire/half-vampire" theory.
Sure he's described as pale, but so is Malfoy, and he's got the yellow head.

Since we're on the topic of Legos here, on my recent trip to Tallahassee,
Florida, I was delighted to find the two newest Lego sets, Quality Quidditch
Supplies and Knockturn Alley at Toys R Us.  I'd seen the pictures from the
toy fair, but I assumed they wouldn't be out until September.  Guess I was
wrong!

Richelle





From triner918 at aol.com  Wed Apr 30 02:11:59 2003
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:11:59 -0000
Subject: The scoop on the hat
Message-ID: <b8nbdf+co29@eGroups.com>

The librarian at school called the book fair people to find out what 
she had to do with the hats.  Here's the deal:  You pay 29.95 and you 
get the rockin' cool hat, and a certificate, and a receipt of 
purchase.  On June 21st you take said receipt to Barnes & Noble or 
Books-A-Million to pick up your book.  You're also invited to the 
release party.  Sooo, I'm paying for the book tomorrow and getting my 
hat!  And no worries about buying two copies of OoP.

Trina, knee deep in IEPs and hoping tomorrow's PTA fundraiser 
carnival soses not turn into the shoe chaos of last year




From penumbra10 at ameritech.net  Wed Apr 30 03:53:06 2003
From: penumbra10 at ameritech.net (Nia)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:53:06 -0000
Subject: Is AYMT Life Affirming? (was What Cuaron will bring to PoA)
In-Reply-To: <b8m784+eb8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8nhb2+9ppj@eGroups.com>

 "Tim Regan" wrote:


> | "Y Tu Mam? Tambi?n" Spoiler space
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> 
> Is this true? Whilst Ana's role is life affirming, she also makes 
> the homosexuality which has lain implicitly inside Tenoch and 
> Julio's relationship come explicitly to the fore. The result of 
this 
> realization is that they stop seeing each other and only meet once 
> more in their lives, for a brief cup of coffee. Is that life 
> affirming? It wasn't for me. It was thought provoking, and it was 
> believable, but I wouldn't call it life affirming.
> 
Me:
Thanks for the kudos.  
Perhaps I need to explain further to clarify my meaning:  
In this film the farther the three get away from the city, the more 
truth emerges. I think the fundamental truth of the boys' existence 
was they were `na?ve innocents.'  There is a very real innocence 
about the two of them. No one but a child would think you could live 
your life without consequences for your actions.  My first 
impression of all their bawdy talk was "how na?ve, and how simple."  
There was a great deal of  Adam and Eve symbolism you could read 
into this film also.  It's impossible not to make some biblical 
connections with the name of their destination being "Heaven's 
Mouth.".    I think their nakedness in the leaf-covered pool when 
they had car trouble might have served as a metaphor for truth too 
and seemed to foreshadow the final scene where everyone laid their 
souls bare.  The climatic three-way uncovered truth that destroyed 
their `innocence.'
Perhaps three-way-thing and the kiss at the end was as close to 
truth as they could get.  Remember the Charolestra manifesto rule 
ten, next to the last rule: "Truth is cool, but unattainable." The 
Charolestra Manifesto seems to be an extremely telling roadmap to 
the course of the film.  In the beginning, of course, the two 
Charolestras do precisely whatever they want.  By midpoint, when 
Luisa, tired of their childishness, establishes what amounts to a 
new manifesto, they are beginning to lose this freedom.  By the end, 
they have no sayso at all and their friendship is destroyed by their 
sexual preoccupation--their childishness.  The "astral cowboys" are 
forced to come down to earth.

I think, because they were so preoccupied with sex, the only way 
they could relate to people was sexually (either as sexual partners 
or as partners in sexual `crime') or not sexually, there was no 
middle ground.  I know you saw how distant Tenoch was from his 
parents, and we never even saw Julio's mother.  During the drinking 
scene, just before the triangular thing, the boys describe 
themselves as `brothers.'  The fact that they are revealing more and 
more details about sleeping with each other's girlfriends has no 
more meaning.  I think that in the distorted mindset in which they 
are trapped, this is as close as they have ever been to love.  And, 
because they are not equipped to deal with real love, they relate in 
the only way they can?sexually.   I don't get the feeling that this 
is at all a gay revelation.  I feel that it's about love.  I think 
Luisa understood this and that is why she tried to balance things 
out between the boys by having both of them. And that, I think, is 
why she approached both of them during the last drinking scene.  
During the three-way whatever, did you notice how she slid out of 
the picture?literally.  The truth of the boys' existence?that they 
loved each other?was impossible for them to process and deal with in 
the superficial mental environment they'd established for 
themselves.  Does that make sense?  I still have questions. But I 
guess the whole truth is unattainable.
	I found the picture life-affirming because even though 
Tenoch and Julio lost their friendship at the end, they found a new 
maturity and deeper perceptions.  That is what growing up is all 
about.  More than likely they could not have remained friends 
becasue all they shared was drugs and various and sundry sexual 
situations--superficial things without meaning.  The road trip was a 
passage from careless, irresponsible childhood into adulthood, where 
one realizes that every action has a consequence and self-
gratification is not the be-all and end-all of life.

I think we're going to be able to see Harry's layers for the first 
time in PoA and I, for one think it's great.

Judy 

                                  








From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 30 13:00:08 2003
From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:00:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: News from Nimbus: Saturday Lunch, Casting Contest
Message-ID: <20030430130008.42138.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>

A few months ago, you may recall, we announced that
our Saturday Luncheon speaker would be Cheryl Klein of
Scholastic. Most unfortunately, only a few weeks after
agreeing to come, Ms. Klein had a sudden change of
plans involving her family and had to cancel.

The Nimbus  2003 Programming team is therefore very
pleased to announce that instead, our Saturday
Luncheon speaker will be Ari Rapkin, Computer Graphics
Software Engineer, from Industrial Light and Magic.
Ms. Rapkin has been with ILM since 1998, working on
ILMs sequences in films such as "Jurassic Park III,"
"Star Wars: Episode II 'Attack of the Clones,'" and
"A.I. Artificial Intelligence." She is currently
working on the cloth simulation system for use in
several upcoming films including "The Hulk," "Van
Helsing" and "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of
Azkaban." Her talk will offer us some insights into
the mysteries and secrets of film enhancement through
computer animation.

If youve been waiting to find out who the speaker
will be before signing up for the lunch, please make
your upgrade quickly! The $19.75 luncheon fee for
Saturday is only available until May 6; as of May 7,
the price will increase to $29.75. We are sorry we
could not extend the lower rate further, but our
negotiations with ILM ran longer than we anticipated.


Speaking of the film versions, we also have another
fun activity to announce: 

HP Movie Casting Contest!

How about those HP films? Did they make the right
casting choices? Do you agree with JK Rowling's
insistence on casting only actors from the British
Isles, Canada, and Australia? Well, Nimbus - 2003
offers you alternatives!

Objective: Cast any one of the films (including OoP!)
with the actors you would have picked if *you* were in
charge. To aid people who might not know your choices,
please bring a picture, filmography, or other evidence
of the person's suitability. For each choice, write a
*short* (no more than 3 sentence) description of why
you think that person is right for the part. 

Scenario #1: "Looks can be Deceiving" - Pick your cast
members based on looks (or looks and personality)
alone, not necessarily because of their acting skills.
The object in this choice is to assemble a cast that
*looks* as close to your vision as you can find.

Scenario #2: "Englishman in New York" - Cast the film
as well as you can from nations *not* on JKR's
approved list.

Scenario #3: "If Worse Comes to Worst..." - Go the
other way. If you felt the movies made poor choices,
just how much worse could it get? Pick your ultimate
worst choices - but still be realistic! For example,
Ringo Starr as Snape. For this one, they must fit
JKR's bill and come from a British country or
commonwealth.

Assemble your lists, collages, or whatever, and
display them all weekend in the Nimbus - 2003 banquet
room!


Finally, we remind you that our submissions for
Artwork and T-Shirt designs are still open! Please see
the LiveJournal
(http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_orlando/13913.html)
for details. To answer one question that came up on
the artwork: Designs may absolutely be full colour,
but bear in mind that (especially for the t-shirt), we
may have to print in only one or two colours to keep
costs low. If its totally spiffy, though, we might
just have to go with the extra expense!




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From selene at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 30 16:18:12 2003
From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:18:12 -0700
Subject: Smell of Cabbage
Message-ID: <3EAFF743.2EC1DBB4@earthlink.net>

I'm putting this on the Chatter list because my brief humorous posts
don't seem to be
allowed nor appreciated on the main list <grump>:

This well-known aroma is connected with magic outside of the Harry
Potter corpus:

At some time in the recent past someone had decided to brighten the
ancient
     corridors of the University by painting them, having some vague
notion that
     Learning Should Be Fun. It hadnt worked. Its a fact known
throughout the
     universes that no matter how carefully the colours are chosen,
institutional dcor
     ends up as either vomit green, unmentionable brown, nicotine
yellow, or surgical
     appliance pink. By some little-understood process of sympathetic
resonance,
     corridors painted in those colours always smell slightly of boiled
cabbage-even if
     no cabbage is ever cooked in the vicinity. ~Terry Pratchett, Equal
Rites

So we can figure out the color of Mrs. Figg's house interior?

Susan Fox-Davis
selene at earthlink.net




From timregan at microsoft.com  Wed Apr 30 16:37:49 2003
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:37:49 -0000
Subject: Is AYMT Life Affirming? (was What Cuaron will bring to PoA)
In-Reply-To: <b8nhb2+9ppj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8ou4t+i48s@eGroups.com>


Hi All,
 
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Wow Judy (aka Nia) ? great reply. I'm still not completely convinced 
though. 

I really like your parallel between AYMT and the genesis story, 
especially if you ask "Who's the snake?". It would have to be Luisa 
(not Ana, I got them mixed up), but she's on the side of good, which 
brings the film close to Pullman's "Dark Materials" trilogy. Mary 
Mallone = Luisa, and Lyra and Will are Tenoch and Julio. 

But you can also see the boys' sexual conquests (that's the way they 
think of them) as attempts to get sexually closer and closer to each 
other. Starting normally, they then seek to bed each other's 
girlfriends, and then masturbate together, and finally one sleeps 
with the other's mother. After all, that is the title. But we know 
that's not the closest you can get to someone sexually ? and they 
find out the truth near the end of the film through Luisa as the 
catalyst when they sleep together. But this realization doesn't lead 
them to an increased awareness of themselves ? to adulthood. Or does 
it? Maybe I'm obsessing about the wrong part of the film. I know 
some people experience homosexual incidents as part of their growth 
toward adult heterosexuality (Michael Portillo, a UK politician made 
this claim a few years back 
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/442422.stm>) but it 
doesn't ring true. 

> The truth of the boys' existence?that they 
> loved each other?was impossible for them to process and deal with 
in 
> the superficial mental environment they'd established for 
> themselves.  
[snip]
> 	I found the picture life-affirming because even though 
> Tenoch and Julio lost their friendship at the end, they found a 
new 
> maturity and deeper perceptions.

No ? I do not believe one can attain maturity through a rejection of 
one's sexuality.

> There was a great deal of Adam and Eve symbolism you could read 
> into this film also.  It's impossible not to make some biblical 
> connections with the name of their destination being "Heaven's 
> Mouth.".

And some sexual connections too. But religious or sexual ? Cuaron's 
treatment of the boys' journey does bode incredibly well for PoA. Be 
ready for more sexual overtones though. In 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/4490> I pointed 
out that all his films have romance or sex in. Even in "A Little 
Princess" he has an added romance between Amelia Minchin and the 
milkman which is not in the book.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.

PS Appologies if two copies of this post show up. I'm having Yahoo 
problems.

PPS I read on IMDB that the DVD voice over is only available in 
Spanish - has anybody who understands Spanish scecked it out?





From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 30 17:15:45 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:15:45 -0000
Subject: Smell of Cabbage
In-Reply-To: <3EAFF743.2EC1DBB4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b8p0c1+ii0s@eGroups.com>


What synchronicity!  I was just going to post something Terry Pratchett related!

I'm sure we all know that, ever since the OotP release date was announced, almost to the very hour, it became permanently lodged at the top of Amazon's top 100 list.  Which means that, in any given hour, more people order OotP then any other book in Amazon's catalog.  What some people might not know is that on Amazon's sister site, Amazon.uk, OotP has been occupying the top *two* slots - the second one having been claimed by the so-called 'adult version' - the one with a cover that won't embarass adults reading it on the train.  

Well, the adult edition has been dethroned.  As of ten minutes ago, Terry Pratchett's upcoming The Wee Free Men was in 2nd place, and the adult OotP in third.  Since I love Terry Pratchett (and anyone who hasn't read him should run, not walk, to the nearest bookstore/library and obtain at least one of his many books), I have no significant problem with this, and I'm very pleased to see that he's the one who grabbed the silver, as opposed to John Grisham or some other author that I don't really care about.  Not, mind you, that Pratchett is at all an underdog in the UK - he may be Britain's top selling author, and if he isn't then he's definitely close to the top.  Now, if only I could see him somewhere in the top ten of Amazon's American site...

Abigail
Who is aware that the sales ranking on Amazon doesn't tell us anything about the number of books sold, but is still quite tickled by the fact that it looks as if OotP will spend the entire period between the announcement of its publication and the 21st of June on Amazon's top spot.  That's got to be a record.




From slstich at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 30 17:48:30 2003
From: slstich at hotmail.com (shanna)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:48:30 -0500
Subject: New member!
Message-ID: <Law11-OE539cBHqTi3s00004dd1@hotmail.com>

Hello egveryone!
My name is Shanna, and I just want to write quickly and introduce myself.
I'm relatively new to the HP fandom, but have read all 4 books, just barely!
Anyway, I'm mostly lurking on the main list, just because I don't have much
to add to discussions yet.  My favorite characters are Snape, Ron, and the
twins!
As for life outside of HP, I live in the midwest with my boyfirend and 2
dogs.  I also train guide dogs for people who are blind or visually impaired
as a career.  Anyway, I think that's about all for now.  Sorry this message
was so long!  I look forward to talking to you all soon!
Shanna



From slstich at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 30 17:55:07 2003
From: slstich at hotmail.com (shanna)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:55:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Smell of Cabbage
References: <b8p0c1+ii0s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE140a3Q8qeRn00004e10@hotmail.com>

Hi Abagail.
Do you recommend a particular Pratchett book to start with?  I've been wanting to read his work for a while now, but honestly forgot about it till you brought it up in this post!  
Shanna

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From timregan at microsoft.com  Wed Apr 30 16:24:17 2003
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:24:17 -0000
Subject: Is AYMT Life Affirming? (was What Cuaron will bring to PoA)
In-Reply-To: <b8nhb2+9ppj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8otbh+eq8n@eGroups.com>


Hi All,
 
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| "Y Tu Mam? Tambi?n" Spoiler space
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Wow Judy (aka Nia) ? great reply. I'm still not completely convinced 
though. 

I really like your parallel between AYMT and the genesis story, 
especially if you ask "Who's the snake?". It would have to be Luisa 
(not Ana, I got them mixed up), but she's on the side of good, which 
brings the film close to Pullman's "Dark Materials" trilogy. Mary 
Mallone = Luisa, and Lyra and Will are Tenoch and Julio. 

But you can also see the boys' sexual conquests (that's the way they 
think of them) as attempts to get sexually closer and closer to each 
other. Starting normally, they then seek to bed each other's 
girlfriends, and then masturbate together, and finally one sleeps 
with the other's mother. But we know that's not the closest you can 
get to someone sexually ? and they find out the truth near the end 
of the film through Luisa as the catalyst when they sleep together. 
But this realization doesn't lead them to an increased awareness of 
themselves ? to adulthood. Or does it? Maybe I'm misreading the 
film. I know some people experience homosexual incidents as part of 
their growth toward adult heterosexuality (Michael Portillo, a UK 
politician made this claim a few years back 
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/442422.stm>) but it 
doesn't ring true. 

> The truth of the boys' existence?that they 
> loved each other?was impossible for them to process and deal with 
in 
> the superficial mental environment they'd established for 
> themselves.  
[snip]
> 	I found the picture life-affirming because even though 
> Tenoch and Julio lost their friendship at the end, they found a 
new 
> maturity and deeper perceptions.

No ? I do not believe one can attain maturity through a rejection of 
one's sexuality.

> There was a great deal of Adam and Eve symbolism you could read 
> into this film also.  It's impossible not to make some biblical 
> connections with the name of their destination being "Heaven's 
> Mouth.".

And some sexual connections too. But religious or sexual ? Cuaron's 
treatment of the boys' journey does bode incredibly well for PoA. Be 
ready for more sexual overtones though. In 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/4490> I pointed 
out that all his films have romance or sex in. Even in "A Little 
Princess" he has an added romance between Amelia Minchin and the 
milkman which is not in the book.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.





From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 30 18:54:42 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:54:42 -0000
Subject: Terry Pratchett (was: Smell of Cabbage)
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE140a3Q8qeRn00004e10@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8p65i+f7o9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanna" <slstich at h...> wrote:
> Hi Abagail.
> Do you recommend a particular Pratchett book to start with?  I've been wanting to read his work for a while now, but honestly forgot about it till you brought it up in this post!  
> Shanna

Oh, dear.  Choosing a particular Pratchett book is like choosing a favorite child.  The only difference is that once you read one book you'll want to read all the others, so in the long run it doesn't really matter.  Pratchett's best and most widely known work is the Discworld series, now approaching 30 books.  His secret in maintaining his quality over so many books is that each book deals with a different set of characters, some of which are one-offs and some of which are continuing series:

The Witches Series - starring Esmerelda 'Granny' Weatherwax, who beats Snape hands down as the nastiest good guy ever.  These books are often parodies of literary works.
Equal Rites
Wyrd Sisters 
Witches Abroad
Lords and Ladies 
Maskerade
Carpe Jugulum 

The Watch Series - these books tell of the city watch in the metropolis of Ankh-Morpork.  They are mostly mysteries, with a decidedly Pratchett flavor.  
Guards! Guards!
Men at Arms
Feet of Clay
Jingo
The Fifth Elephant
Night Watch

The Death Series - on the Discworld, Death is a person, with all the problems that come with that.  These books deal with Death and his extended family.
Mort
Reaper Man
Soul Music
Hogfather
Thief of Time

The Rincewind Series - Rincewind is probably the most beloved of Discworld characters (after Death) which is strange because the books he stars in are almost unanimously agreed to be the worst in the series.  The inept wizard wants nothing more then to live a boring life.  You can imagine how often that happens.
The Light Fantastic
The Color of Magic
Sourcery
Eric
Interesting Times - the only really great Rincewind book, in my opinion
The Last Continent
The Last Hero - a graphic novel

The standalones - these are settings and characters Pratchett never came back to, although he might some day.
Pyramids 
Moving Pictures 
Small Gods
The Truth
The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents - a book for children
The Wee Free Men - also apparently for children

If I had to pick favorites, they would be Wyrd Sisters, which is a wonderful parody of Macbeth, Mort, in which Death decides to hire an apprentice, Small Gods, a wondeful look at religion, or just about any one of the Watch series.

And, of course, there's non-Discworld!  If you can find it, The Carpet People is a wonderful book about the society that's evolved in the dust of your carpet, and the nomes trilogy, although ostensibly for children, is wonderful.

Hopefully I haven't completely overwhelmed you.  You'd probably do well to start near the beginning of whichever series catches your interest, but Pratchett is very modular - you won't feel out of place if you start with later books.

Enjoy!
Abigail