[HPFGU-Feedback] Re: ADMIN: Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family of Lists

[Heidi Tandy]

Iggy, I understand what you're trying to get at here, but I'm not sure 
that there's any way to make the list completely devoid of 'risky' 
topics. Apart from the fact that 16, which Harry is just after the end 
of ootp, is the age of consent in the UK, there are a number of other 
topics that could theoretically be problematic - and, of course, even 
FILKing could be seen not as commentary & criticism on the books, which 
all the filkers who've posted here on feedback have sensibly argued, but 
as copyright infringement - which they should not be under Us law, but 
given Yahoo's notoriety for not investigating, I don't think it would be 
much of a help.

Basically, if someone wanted to get the hpfgu groups tossed, even though 
we listees and the admins try *so* hard to stick to the Yahoo rules and 
the yahoogroups guidelines, those guidelines are a lot vaguer than one 
may assume.

I mean, look at tbay. We *know* it's play. We know it's fiction and 
nobody means the assaults seriously. But the first thing in Yahoo's 
guidelines says that you may not harrass, abuse, threaten or advocate 
violence against individuals or groups. What if someone complained to 
Yahoo that a Big Bang Destroyer had come after her on the main list? 
Would that violate Guideline #1?

Based on Guideline #9, discussion of sexual matters should only be 
considered proscribed if it's in a sexual or exploitative context. I 
haven't followed the whole of the threads, but I don't think those 
discussions meet either of those criteria.

I think the question is, do we want to be paranoid, or do we want to 
just make sure we have something in place to continue the community if 
Yahoo looks at something and sees a violation where one was never 
intended.

Heidi


On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 9:13am, IggyMcSnurd wrote:
> Iggy here:
>
> Sorry for those who read this a few times because I'm posting it to all
> the lists in this family of groups, but I feel that it's important
> enough that I want to make sure everyone gets this letter...
>
> I would like to point something out, folks.
>
> People are wondering what someone could possibly use against these
> groups to have them eliminated... and it was also mentioned that
> incidents such as sex with minors has been used against groups, even if
> it's implied.
>
> We need to eliminate (at least for the time being) the topic about the
> sexual temptations of Harry Potter (a minor) and especially eliminate
> topic titles such as "In Bed With Harry Potter."  Since we know that
> Yahoo has a history of not investigating claims against groups, even 
> the
> titles have the potential to get the groups deleted if Yahoo chooses to
> take them as a violation of their terms.
>
> This is not stating that we need censorship... not by a long shot.  But
> if someone is threatening the groups, common sense dictates that we try
> to hold off on any topics/theories/language that can be potentially 
> used
> against the group... and the above named threads are prime examples of
> ones we need to avoid for now...
>
> Hoping everyone understands where I'm coming from here...
>
> Iggy McSnurd
>
>
>
>
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