From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Jun 1 00:53:27 2003 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:53:27 -0000 Subject: Oy. Let's hope this ends it... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote: > What I was trying to say in my original post is that all these Harry Haters talk and talk about what reading Harry might and could do to children. I wanted someone to show me what it actually *has* done.> I understood what you meant, and I thought you received some excellent responses, Penny's post in particular. Hey, we're all here because we've taken our love of all things Harry to a new level. We'd also all love to convince everyone on the planet to read and love Harry as we do, but I agree with Amanda in that it would be nearly impossible to do. It's great, though, to find out why others out there find Harry so objectionable. I think you have a nice list of books and sources to check out that could keep you busy for quite a while. > P.S. I wasn't trying to be rude, before or now, and if I came off as rude then you're looking for me to be rude and that's your own fault.> Well, this clearly *was* intended to be rude and since you basically told the entire OT list that you "don't care" anymore, then I might as well address you here as well. From now on, I'll be sure to avoid your posts because I don't want to waste my time with someone who doesn't care. --jenny from ravenclaw, really pissed off ***************************************************** From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 1 01:15:24 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 1 Jun 2003 01:15:24 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1054430124.698.18397.w69@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: 2003 PICKLED TOAD AWARDS: LAST-MINUTE NOMINATIONS. Entries are listed by category for nominees not previously entered. Vote for as many filks as you think are the best in their respective categories, INCLUDING the other category polls. If you vote for one of these choices, you have one less vote in the respective category polls. The Honor system is in use, but Madam Pince, our Poll Watcher, will curse you if you vote too many times (she can count how many times you vote if she really wants to)! 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To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=1100319 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From editor at texas.net Sun Jun 1 01:46:17 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:46:17 -0500 Subject: Aha!, was Oy. Let's hope this ends it... References: Message-ID: <010301c327df$98ffd840$4e04a6d8@texas.net> Ripleywriter: > Facts, proof is a seemingly sensible young girl throwing away her bible and > refusing to go to church with her family anymore because she wants to be a > witch and practice magic just like in Harry Potter. That's a direct cause of > reading the books. That gives all those Harry Haters a basis for their beliefs, > factual proof to back them up. That young girl would not have done that if she > had not read the HP books. And because she did, there will be negative > consequences. Aha! A little light came on. This sounds as if you've gotten hold of a variant of the following alarmist email and are trying to investigate it. I went back through the main list archives, because I *knew* I'd made a post on this before. And glory be, I *found* it! The letter below still surfaces occasionally. Please understand that all the quotes in it are from a satire found on the Onion website; these are fictitious people and nobody really said these things. But you still catch references to them (Ripley, your "young girl throwing away her Bible" sounded very much like this, which is what makes me think you've been a victim here of some propaganda). Alas, a search of the Onion's archive reveals that this particular article is no longer available online. It was very well done satire. I may order the hard copy back issue. CAVEAT: List People (this means you, Steve) --> Do **NOT** let this be any kind of open door for slamming anti-HP people again. If I had received this sort of thing from someone I trusted, a friend or pastor, I'd probably want to follow it up, myself. I repost it here ONLY so that if this is the sort of stuff Ripley's been hearing, she(?) he(?) will know its source is fictional. I would have posted the link to the original article and been done with it, but it's no longer available. So, for the list's edification and enlightenment, here is post 17776 of the main list, from April 27, 2001. From: Amanda Lewanski Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: [Fwd: Harry Potter Books] I am weary. I got the forwarded letter from my cousin. Don't read the following text if you're still smarting from the Richard Abannes fun. BUT, I posted this for a reason. Some of you may have received this letter before. Some of you may, in the future. Especially active Christians with well-meaning friends. Sooo, I've included the letter so you'll recognize it. And so that you can make intelligent answer, when and if you see it, or hear it referenced, know that the source of the so-called quotes and interview are the Onion. A satire. Fiction. I responded to my cousin and all her addressees. I wanted to arm all of you with the truth, in case you get a similar email from someone you had previously believed could think. Here's the Onion's home URL: http://www.theonion.com/ Here's the Harry Potter article: http://www.theonion.com/onion3625/harry_potter.html [N.B.: "Harry Potter Books Spark Rise in Satanism Among Children" (Onion, July 2000)] Aside from the sad fact that some people believe this is an actual news item, it's pretty funny. Again, just wanted to give any of you, who might get this letter or some variant, the ability to refute it. --Amanda -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Harry Potter Books Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:45:52 EDT In a message dated 4/26/01 3:38:26 PM Central Daylight Time, Tulsastar [my cousin] writes: Here is an interesting email I recieved from a church friend. I heard that the books were not good, but this gave a good reason why. These are books our school teachers are suggesting the children read, they encourage them to read them. Parents think they are wonderful. Let's check them out before we let our children read something that may change their lives for ever. As Grandparents we are very concerned about what goes into the minds of our precious Grandchildren. What happened to Bible Stories???? I guess they were put out of our schools the same time God was put out. Let's turn things around parents, before it is too late. Judy << > Subject: Harry Potter Books "Jesus died because He was weak and stupid". This is a quote from 6 year old Jessica Lehman of Easley, SC, after reading the HARRY POTTER BOOKS! The following is an email sent for the American Family Association, which is VERY disturbing, to say the least. Please forward to all email contacts, especially Christians and Pastors. Dear Christian, This is the most evil thing I have laid my eyes on in 10 years ... and no one seems to understand its threat. The Harry Potter books are THE NUMBER ONE selling children's books in the nation today. Just look at any Barns & Noble or Waldenbooks storefront. Go to Amazon.com and read the reviews. Hear the touting by educators and even Christian teachers about how "It's great to see the youth so eagerly embracing the reading experience!" Harry Potter is the creation of a former UK English teacher who promotes witchcraft and Satanism. Harry is a 13 year old 'wizard.' Her creation openly blasphemes Jesus and God and promotes sorcery, seeking revenge upon anyone who upsets them by giving you examples (even the sources with authors and titles) of spells, rituals, and demonic powers. I think the problem is that parents have not reviewed the material. The name seems harmless enough... Harry Potter. But that is where it all ends. Let me give you a few quotes from some of the influenced readers themselves: "The Harry Potter books are cool, 'cause they teach you all about magic and how you can use it to control people and get revenge on your enemies" said Hartland, WI, 10 year old Craig Nowell, a recent convert to the New Satanic Order Of The Black Circle. "I want to learn the Cruciatus Curse, to make my muggle science teacher suffer for giving me a D." (A 'muggle' is an unbeliever of magic.) Or how about the REALLY young and innocent impressionable mind of a 6 year old when asked about her favorite character: "Hermione is my favorite, because she's smart and has a kitty," said 6 year old Jessica Lehman of Easley, SC. "Jesus died because He was weak and stupid." And here is dear Ashley, a 9 year old, the typical average age reader of Harry Potter: "I used to believe in what they taught us at Sunday School," said Ashley, conjuring up an ancient spell to summon Cerebus, the three-headed hound of hell. "But the Harry Potter books showed me that magic is real, something I can learn and use right now, and that the Bible is nothing but Boring lies." DOES THIS GET YOUR ATTENTION? If not, how about a quote from High Priest of Satanism: "Harry is an absolute godsend to our cause," said High Priest Egan of the First Church Of Satan in Salem, MA, An organization like ours thrives on new blood no pun intended and we've had more applicants than we can handle lately. And, of course, practically all of them are virgins, which is gravy." (Since 1995, open applicants to Satan worship has increased from around 100,000 to now... 20 MILLION children and young adults!) It makes me physically ill, people! But, I think I can offer you an explanation of why this is happening. Children have been bombarded with action, adventure, thrills and scares to the point Hollywood can produce nothing new to give them the next 'high.' Parents have neglected to see what their children are reading and doing, and simply seem satisfied that 'Little Johnny is interested in reading.' AND... educators and the NEA are PUSHING this with NO WARNING as to the effects or the contents. Still not convinced? I will leave you with something to let you make up your own mind. And finally, a quote from the author herself, J. K. Rowling, describing the objections of Christian reviewers to her writings: "I think it's absolute rubbish to protest children's books on the grounds that they are luring children to Satan," Rowling told a London Times reporter in a July 17 interview. "People should be praising them for that! These books guide children to an understanding that the weak, idiotic Son Of God is a living hoax who will be humiliated when the rain of fire comes ... while we, his faithful servants, laugh and cavort in victory." My hope is that you will see fit to become involved in getting the word out about this garbage. Please FWD to every pastor, teacher, and parent you know. This author has now published FOUR BOOKS in less than 2 years of this 'encyclopedia of Satanism' and is surely going to write more. I also ask all Christians to please pray for this lost woman's soul. Pray also for the Holy Spirit to work in the young minds of those who are reading this garbage that they may be delivered from its harm. Lastly, pray for all parents to grow closer to their children, and That a bond of sharing thoughts and spiritual intimacy will grow between them. From susannahlm at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 01:57:38 2003 From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 01:57:38 -0000 Subject: FF: Getting Drunk Message-ID: Quick question for, er, anybody who would know. (No personal anecdotes, please.) Say you're in a pub. Say you're drinking some kind of ale-type unit. Say you are **really** and profoundly bummed at your life. Say, actually, that you are Avery. (Note: Fourth Man With Remorse But No Will-Power Whatsoever. Those who frequent TBAY will recognize him.) How many pints do you have to drink before you become drunk? Not so drunk that you absolutely cannot function -- I want Avery to retain the sense to watch what he says around Snape -- but drunk enough so that you're not thinking all that clearly, and. . . Oh, bummer, I'm going to have to explain, aren't I? I'm writing a ficlet set post-GOF; Avery and Snape, having a conversation, after a DE raid. Avery has just killed someone. Snape is going, at the end of the evening, to be going back to Hogwarts and telling Dumbledore that Avery has just killed someone. Dynamics between the two are rather tense in that Avery believes Snape still to be the fanatical hard-core DE who once pushed Avery into becoming a DE, and is hence trying to speak much more enthusiastically about the killing than he really feels; and in that Snape -- partly from the things that Avery is saying -- believes that Avery has now become, thanks largely to himself, pretty much a hardened DE, and has hence just crossed him off the "People who might help us out a bit if I hint obliquely at them" list, and is hence obviously trying to speak as if he was still a fanatical hard-core DE. Neither of them are feeling particularly chirpy, but Snape, needless to say, is not staring "into the pewter pot/ to see the world as the world's not." [1] Avery, perhaps also needless to say, is. But he's got a pretty careful line to walk, conversationally speaking, and as I've never myself gotten drunk -- that I know of -- I need some input on whether or not he *could* be drinking, and still walk that conversational line. I *want* him to be a bit drunk -- I want him to be completely emotionally shell-shocked and dazed -- but I'm not sure it's *feasible* for him to be drunk. And, as mentioned above, I don't know how much he'd have to drink to get to a sort of in-between-y state, either. So, if no one minds answering, do you think he could be a bit sauced and still manage not to give away his real feelings about the killing? Bearing in mind that he's used to hiding things, and hence might be, even when sauced, unusually cautious. And if he can get drunk, how many pints does he need to drink to get just slightly drunk? And what sorts of things go in pints, anyway? I don't really think that "ale-type unit" is going to cut it. Derannimer, beginning to think that this story shouldn't be set in a pub From susannahlm at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 02:01:11 2003 From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 02:01:11 -0000 Subject: FF: Getting Drunk (Correction) Message-ID: Hey, on second thoughts, this question might not be possible to answer without personal anecdotes. Go ahead, as long as they don't involve anybody being sick. Derannimer From Ripleywriter at aol.com Sun Jun 1 02:40:54 2003 From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:40:54 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Aha!, was Oy. Let's hope this ends it... Message-ID: <161.20ee5227.2c0ac1b6@aol.com> Uhhhhh.....whoops. That whole "young girl throwing away her bible" thing was just an example. That never happened, I just made it up, I wasn't presenting it as a fact!! Just an example. Oy. I repeat: oy. Please, please, just drop the subject! Please! Melly From m.bockermann at t-online.de Sun Jun 1 02:46:29 2003 From: m.bockermann at t-online.de (m.bockermann at t-online.de) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 04:46:29 +0200 Subject: English language OoP in German bookstores References: <1054366869.391.66171.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <009001c327e9$c8e945a0$69429fc1@n1a2y2> Hi all! I hope that I'm sending this to the right place and that it'll be helpful to someone... I'm from Germany, so I thought that I would miss the Big Day and would have to wait for my copy of OoP until whenever Amazon and the postal service felt like sending it. But when I toured my home city on Monday, I learned that a couple of bookstores promise to sell copies of the English version on June 21st (though disquietingly, the sales person added a silent "I hope" at the end of the sentence :( ). Anyway, it might be interesting for others here to check out their local bookstores. The one in question was "Thalia", a book chain as well as "Bertelsmann Club" and "Weltbild Verlag". Greetings, Ethanol (who, after finishing a vital paper, hopes to have more time for posting here and on the main list) From pennylin at swbell.net Sun Jun 1 03:21:57 2003 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 03:21:57 -0000 Subject: Aha!, was Oy. Let's hope this ends it... In-Reply-To: <161.20ee5227.2c0ac1b6@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote: > > Uhhhhh.....whoops. That whole "young girl throwing away her bible" thing was > just an example. That never happened, I just made it up, I wasn't presenting > it as a fact!! Just an example. Oy. I repeat: oy. Please, please, just drop the > subject! Please! > > Melly Why do you want the subject dropped? It's not causing anyone any problems. Just because *YOU* didn't get the precise response you wanted doesn't mean that someone else hasn't taken away some useful information from this thread of courteous responses to your original post. And, yes, you were and are still being completely, unbelievably RUDE. And, no, I'm not "looking for rudeness." Please don't ask everyone to stop talking about a subject just because you aren't taking away what you want from the thread; just stop reading it if it's bothering you in some way. Penny From Ripleywriter at aol.com Sun Jun 1 05:24:14 2003 From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:24:14 EDT Subject: Stepping up to nobly defend my honor... Message-ID: <1da.ac94bb9.2c0ae7fe@aol.com> ...since those damn white knights won't return my calls. Something about corruption and my going to hell, but anyway... I won't reply to anyone who addressed their posts to me onlist, because, well...that's immature and I don't need an audience to feel important. On the contrary, I feel important because I'm the Queen of Everything. But I did want to say that I politely withdraw my earlier request for help, though I appreciate the effort anyone made even though some did misunderstand my request. I'm sorry that you did. If the way in which I stated that earlier ruffled anyone's feathers (Lenny and Fenny come to mind)...well, I'll just refrain from saying anything rude about that. The words "stick", "up", and "ass" might be involved, though. Fenny did have a point: if I created a discussion that other people feel like pursuing onlist, by all means, go ahead. Just leave me out of it. So far I haven't been. So, Fenny, I was only asking that no replies be made on my behalf, which they *were* in some way or another so far. Melly, who's wondering if she needs to draw a map every time she says something onlist...Nah, I'll just use the ol' trusty sledgehammer. Works for ER. From hebrideanblack at earthlink.net Sun Jun 1 09:02:23 2003 From: hebrideanblack at earthlink.net (Wendy St John) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:02:23 -0700 Subject: FF Getting Drunk Message-ID: <410-220036019223474@earthlink.net> Hi, Derannimer, So this is what happens when I stay up late and read OT-Chatter. I end up sitting at my computer at quarter to two in the morning, replying to a message about getting drunk! Oh well, it is a topic I have some experience with, and far better this than sticking my nose into the "Oy" discussion ;-) You asked: " How many pints do you have to drink before you become drunk? Not so drunk that you absolutely cannot function -- I want Avery to retain the sense to watch what he says around Snape -- but drunk enough so that you're not thinking all that clearly, and. . . " My answer to that is that it depends so much on the drinker, that you can pretty much make up whatever you like. But, I will give a few examples so you have something more to go on than that. If I were to go into a pub, less than half a pint would get me *really* happy - but I'd still be thinking clearly. I'd just be in a really good mood. (I'm 130 pounds and I don't drink at all ever, really. Maybe twice a year I'll have a glass of something). I think my husband wishes I'd drink more. No joke. A pint, and I'd be not thinking clearly, but probably still mostly in control. More than that, though, and I'd move into drunk pretty quickly, which in my case would probably mean I'd find somewhere to curl up and go to sleep. Then again there was a time (many, many moons ago), where I was capable of downing a six-pack without being ragingly drunk. More than just "happy" but still able to control myself for the most part. Not to drive a car of course, but I was capable of holding conversations and dancing (and I could walk straight and not throw up). Those important sorts of things. This is when I went out drinking between three and six nights a week (in country bars no less. SCARY, HUH?). (Question: is a can of beer equivalent to a pint? Not sure, and I also guess it matters whose pint you're talking about - Britain and the US have different ones. Might be worth doing a bit of research to see what the actual volume is. When I used to drink, it was in the U.S., so for myself I think of things in terms of the glass you'd be served in an American bar. But I don't think there's *that* much difference between the two. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm way off about this. And having lived in Scotland until recently, I think of my husband's drinking in pints, so I guess that's still relevant). My husband, on the other hand, would probably need two pints to get to "happy," and would have to drink several pints (hmnh. I'd say four or five at LEAST) in order to be "drunk." (Here again, I'm not talking about any standard of being able to drive a car or anything. As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't be driving after consuming ANY alcohol at all. I'm saying it would take that much before he'd be noticeably under the effect of alcohol from a behavior standpoint - slurring his words, that sort of thing). This is a man who weighs about 225 and drinks regularly, but doesn't get "drunk" more than a couple of times a month, if that. And even then, it would depend on how tired he was before he started drinking. And, for the record, I'm talking about pints of beer or similar (Guiness, etc). I think the heavier drinks (Guiness, for example) do have a higher alcohol content than a light lager would have, but I think the difference is negligible for your purposes. You can probably have them drinking whatever sort of *beer* you want. If they start drinking *whiskey* though, or some other hard liquor like rum or vodka or gin, they will definitely NOT be drinking in pints, or they'll be DEAD long before they get around to chatting about Death Eater business. (I'm assuming you know this, but it can't hurt to mention, just in case. Not everyone has such an extensive acquaintance as I do with alcohol, having alcoholics on both sides of my family, and my husband's family as well - not something to be proud of, but what the heck. At least *I'm* not one). I do have a question about your scenario: I wasn't really sure if the raid *just* happened, or if they've had a night's sleep? If the raid just happened, and poor Avery is in a state of exhaustion and stress, I'd say that a pint and half would probably get him at *least* to "happy," regardless of whether he's a drinker or not, and any more than that would be putting him in the danger zone of spilling his guts to Snape (figuratively, not literally. Although he might be in danger of that, too). Physical and mental state can have a big effect on the way someone is affected by alcohol - maybe not in actual physiological terms (how long it takes the body to process the alcohol, etc.), but certainly in the perceived effect. And of course a BIG factor here is whether or not Avery is a habitual drinker. If he drinks regularly, especially large quantities, then his tolerance level goes UP and he would need more alcohol to get that effect. So, really, I'd say you get to decide. I'd say a safe average would be two pints to notice an effect in an adult man, but not so much that he'd be considered "drunk" in behavioral standards. If Avery is not drinker, though, and hasn't slept since the raid, I think much more than a pint and he's likely to be in trouble. Hope this helps. :-) Wendy (Who hasn't posted much since moving house - I've been so far behind that I usually read the messages long after someone else has already made the comments I would have made. But I finally got myself caught up this weekend (at least with the digests)! YAY!) From hebrideanblack at earthlink.net Sun Jun 1 09:32:23 2003 From: hebrideanblack at earthlink.net (Wendy St John) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:32:23 -0700 Subject: FF Getting Drunk pt 2 Message-ID: <410-2200360193223332@earthlink.net> Hi, again, After hitting "send" I noticed that I forgot to address one of your questions, Derannimer (isn't that annoying?), so here is one more quick comment: You asked, "So, if no one minds answering, do you think he could be a bit sauced and still manage not to give away his real feelings about the killing? Bearing in mind that he's used to hiding things, and hence might be, even when sauced, unusually cautious. " Alcohol will DEFINITELY lower ones inhibitions - including saying things one would usually not say. (Believe me, I know ). So, I think that you had better make Avery someone who drinks somewhat regularly if he's to have any hope of not succumbing to the alcohol, and telling Snape simply everything - including embarrassing confessions about things he did as a child, etc., how he slept with his teddy bear until he was 22, etc. Oh, *and* that stuff about the killing, too. If he's a habitual drinker, he'll be better able to control his tongue, and yes, I do think he could be a bit sauced and still manage to hide his feelings. But if he's not a drinker and he drinks more than a very moderate amount of alcohol (one pint at MOST), then I think it would rapidly become less believeable that he would be able to keep quiet about his feelings. Of course, he can always drink tomato juice or something. Shirley Temples are lovely, too (not sure if they serve those in the UK. I never tried to order one. Maybe they call it something else). But drinking a non-alcoholic beverage might attract unwanted attention. I know in times past in Scotland it was considered socially unacceptable not to accept a drink when offered - and still is in some situations. Not that you're expected to get drunk, exactly, but it's considered good manners to accept a drink when offered. I've been in that situation myself. I imagine that sitting in a pub is likely one of those situations, so you might be able to have some fun with that in your story. Drinks being offered and Avery struggling with whether or not to turn them down and what not. Oh, and for the record, *my* Snape drinks whiskey (not in any way suggesting what you should do with *your* Snape). However, if you want to get really fancy, have him drinking Macallan or Laphroaig or Bunnahabhain (roughly pronounced boon-a-ha-ven). (Not sure whether or not those should be capitalized in print - you might want to check if you decide to use them). Just remember that this is consumed in small glasses, often with water. That's a way to play with the amount of alcohol being consumed - obviously a watered down drink will get you drunk more slowly than a straight one, and it is acceptable to drink it either way. Here, I would say that a normal serving of whiskey could probably be considered roughly equivalent to a pint of lager in terms of numbers of drinks consumed. More than two whiskeys, and poor Avery might be having difficulty holding his tongue. Oh - and one more think about what NOT to drink . . . I've recently read that whiskey sours are not "manly" drinks, so don't have him drinking that. (hoping that doesn't offend any of our manly listees who enjoy the odd whiskey sour ) . Although I don't imagine you can get a whiskey sour in Scotland, it's probably against the law or something, as beloved as whiskey is there. ;-) :-) Wendy hebrideanblack at earthlink.net From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 14:10:01 2003 From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:10:01 -0000 Subject: Oldbies (WAS Re: Posts that get replies (or not)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" wrote: I think of David (subscribed, what, > April '01?) as a young'un, because I'd been around for 4 months at > that point (and vaulted to the top of the posters list with myrapid- > fire posting habits . . . maybe I was the inspiration for moderating > newbies ). Now, as my time here stretches to a geological age, > the difference between a December '00 and an April '01 signup date > seems negligible. > A Goldfeesh says: First, I don't consider myself an oldbie at all since I've only made about 6 posts between the HPFGU, OT and Movie lists. But I must say that I got on the lists nine months (Nov '01) after Amy Z yet I've always considered her one of the Wise (yet young *g*) Oracles of the List. I can't believe how long I've lurked here. Although one of my proudest moments was when the Great Elkins responded to a post I made on the main list. *g* I do have a question though: if someone happened to have a dream a few nights ago about playing baseball in a library with Cindy C. (she had the bat instead of the Paddle) does that mean someone has been a member too long? A Goldfeesh (who has never had any contact with Cindy C. other than reading her posts) From editor at texas.net Sun Jun 1 14:43:06 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:43:06 -0500 Subject: Policy reiteration, was Stepping up to nobly defend my honor... References: <1da.ac94bb9.2c0ae7fe@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c3284c$1e29fe80$f704a6d8@texas.net> Ripleywriter: :::thumps and muffled noises are heard; Amanda stumbles in, trying to pull a T-shirt over her head. She pulls it down, and its flowing script is seen to read "My other personality is a List Poltergeist."::: Hey! Ripley! And the rest of you guys getting very emotional on this thread! :::she points to where her stash of water balloons is usually piled. Instead, an ominous stack of full buckets of water waits...:::: Don't make me use these. Listen. More than one post in this thread has nudged the line of civility or been outside the bounds of our accepted modes of interaction. So for all ears, please let the Geist reiterate the main points. These are listed on the site of the main list, not Chatter, so I will reproduce them here: --Consider how other members of our diverse, multinational community might react to your post. --When in doubt, save your message overnight and re-read it in the light of dawn. (and, most importantly) --Golden Rule of Email: That which thou findest hateful to receive, sendest thou not unto others. There is a reason this thread has continued. Some of the 1,278 members on this list are interested in pursuing it. They have the right to do so. Ripley has the right to not participate and not respond. None of the posts that mention her, since she requested that it not be continued, have in any way impugned her; she was a reference point. But once a concept has been thrown on the table, it "belongs" to the list; anyone can leave a thread, but nobody can take the thread away from the list. We're playing with it now. It will peter out of its own accord in due time. Ripley--and any other member of this list--be assured, if anyone has attacked you or your honor, the admin team will take action to speak to them offlist. You probably won't know about it, but the atmosphere on the list should level out. It is, in fact, partly what maintains the atmosphere of this list, the fact that such administrative housecleaning does *not* take place on list (..except for when Geists get mouthy to clarify things). Ripley is correct, it is neither her place nor mature to react or respond to a strictly emotional matter onlist. If anyone feels strongly about an issue, a poster, or a post, they should talk to the admin team, not air the problem to the entire list. The list is for *discussion*; neither "venting" nor "defense" appear in its description. Lastly--*NOBODY* respond to this onlist! This clarification is an administrative matter, not a substantive contribution to a list subject. Responses should go to the admin team at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com (if they concern the policies) or to me (if you object to my tone, wording, etc.). Okay, that's it. This T-shirt is kind of tight, and I need to go make sure my water balloons (and buckets) are full... ~Amandageist From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 1 15:02:12 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 1 Jun 2003 15:02:12 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1054479732.27.75628.m10@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, June 1, 2003 Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. *Chat times are not changing for Daylight Saving/Summer Time.* Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type /join HP:1 For further info, see the Humongous BigFile, section 3.3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/hbfile.html#33 Hope to see you there! From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 1 16:33:52 2003 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:33:52 -0000 Subject: Oldbies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Goldfeesh wrote: > I do have a question though: if someone happened to have a dream a > few nights ago about playing baseball in a library with Cindy C. > (she had the bat instead of the Paddle) does that mean someone has > been a member too long? > > A Goldfeesh > (who has never had any contact with Cindy C. other than reading her > posts) Now Alice: I think I cannot be content until somebody from the HPFGU-lists dreams about me. This the ULTIMATE way to immortality and fame. :-))) I think that definitely makes Cindy C. an oldbie. It does, however, also make you something of a list-fanatic... be careful with your internet-hours, dear! :-))) Love, Alice From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 1 18:13:40 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 18:13:40 -0000 Subject: weekly Chat In-Reply-To: <1054479732.27.75628.m10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com wrote: > Weekly Chat > Date: Sunday, June 1, 2003 > Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Catlady will skip chat today. I'm going to this other event: http://www.calendar.ucla.edu/event_detail.cfm?MeetingID=2517465 From s_ings at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 19:06:34 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Thalia! Message-ID: <20030601190634.60715.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> *surveys the decorated room with satisfaction and starts bringing in the trays of food* Come on in. Today is the first of many June birthdays. :) Today's birthday honouree is Thalia Chaunacy. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to thalia at aokp.org I hope your day is filled with magic and many wonderful things. Happy Birthday, Thalia! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 20:43:43 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Knight Bus and Driving in England Message-ID: <20030601204343.69402.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Everyone. I just got back from a week of driving in England and made an important discovery. There is really no magic about the Knight bus and things jumping out of it's way as it goes down the road. It appears that this is a natural phenomenon within England. How in the world I was able to return our rental car back without lots of dents and scratches is a testament to this. How do all of you living in England drive there without having a daily heart attack? I really couldn't believe that on some of those roads two cars could pass by each other. Also, you have those little 'gates' where you have to drive between two posts that you pray your car isn't too wide to fit through. I'm sure I caused plenty of people fits as I slowly made my way through these. I do have to say the roads are well marked and even when we got lost we were able to find out way without a map and just by following all the signs. Can anyone tell me what the green L's and P's mean that I saw on people's cars? Someone said they meant that it shows someone is a new driver and I was to either avoid or harass the driver. So, I'm now confused about what those things really mean. One other thing I learned about driving in England. People are very polite and considerate. Even when they cut you off they still signal thanks to you. It's as if they are saying, yea, I know I was just a jerk, thanks for not hitting me anyway. LOL Oh, we did find a house in England and as of July 1st will be living in Pinner. Well, it's actually Hatch End but the post code is Pinner. Lynn (who considered responding to Amandageist's post just because a bucket of water would feel really good right now in this heat but decided discretion was the better part of valor - particularly since I have no clue what the whole thread was all about) ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From cindysphynx at comcast.net Sun Jun 1 20:54:30 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:54:30 -0000 Subject: TBAY: Dreaming Of OoP (with guest appearances by A Goldfeesh and Alice) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cindy staggered around the local public library, clutching the shards of what was once a wooden baseball bat. Somewhere *SOMEWHERE* around here must be the library copy of OoP. The book is *huge.* It shouldn't be that hard to spot, Cindy thought, yet she had been searching for a very long time. How long, she didn't know. This was a dream, and clocks never work properly in dreams. Suddenly, she smacked her knee into an enormous desk that seemed to have appeared out of thin air. A golden nameplate fell to the ground: "A Goldfeesh," it read. "May I help you?" said a peeved voice. A Goldfeesh peered over the top of her cat's eye spectacles, regarding Cindy with disdain. "Yes, er . . . " Cindy mumbled, massaging her throbbing joint. "I put a copy of OoP on hold. I've come to pick it up." "When was this?" "Uh . . . July 8, 2000." Cindy held out a crumpled ticket with non- descript brown stains on both sides. A Goldfeesh rifled through the reserved books section behind her desk. "Sorry, I don't see a reserved copy here for you. Are you sure it was this library? And this branch?" "*Of course* I'm sure!" Cindy snapped. "I demand to speak to the head librarian this instant!" She brandished the splintered bat menacingly, and A Goldfeesh flinched as she scurried into the back room. "I'll get her immediately," A Goldfeesh called out. "She stays right here in back." The library was quiet, even for a library. Dozens of patrons hunched over *their* very own copies of OoP, curling one arm protectively around them to guard them from Cindy's envious gaze. "What seems to be the problem?" The prim head librarian ambled up to the front desk lazily. Cindy squinted at her name badge: "Alice, Master Librarian." Oh, this is too weird, Cindy thought. I thought Alice Didn't Live Here Anymore. She cleared her throat. "I want my reserved copy of OoP *right now!* Or else!" "Look. We only have one last reserved copy that hasn't been picked up yet. There's nothing I can do." "Who reserved that last copy?" Cindy asked quietly, now concealing the bat behind her back and leaning casually over the counter. "Someone by the name of 'The Elkins."' "Oh, *perfect!*" Cindy cried. "I know 'The Elkins!' She hasn't been around these parts in a while though. Tell you what. You just give me that copy of OoP, and I'll make sure it makes its way into the hands of its, uh, rightful owner. Don't worry, you can count on me!" She forced her lips into a tight smile and struggled to look Alice in the eye. Alice hesitated a moment, then handed the mighty book to Cindy. "Well, OK. Since you gave me your word and all." Cindy clutched the priceless tome to her breast. "Hey, thanks a lot!" She turned toward the exit, then whirled back around. "Listen, if someone claiming to be Elkins comes by, especially if there are two or three of them, tell them to get lost, will you?" Alice gaped at her, her mouth ajar. "Hey, you know what?" Cindy said brightly. "When you do that, you look just like 'A Goldfeesh.' Get it? Goldfish? Goldfeesh?" She cackled wildly at her own cleverness. The library became even more hushed. "I beg your pardon?" Alice said politely. "Oh, never mind." *************** Cindy From timregan at microsoft.com Sun Jun 1 21:33:12 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:33:12 -0000 Subject: Traveling to London In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- Michelle wrote: > My family and I will be in London from June 3-11. I've been asked for London recommendations by a few American friends visiting London recently. Here's my highly personal response (I hope it's not too late). Try a walk starting in St Katherine's Dock, then past the Tower of London (check out Henry VIII's armour with the extra bit at the front - he wasn't a modest man ;-) up to a church garden (sorry forget the name, realy blib - nice garden and understated fountain), up to St Paul's. Then cross the river on the new Millennium Footbridge , past the Tate Modern , the reconstructed Globe, the reconstructed Golden Hind (Drake's ship), past the steps that are the setting of Nancy's death in Oliver Twist, stop off for tea and cake at the beautiful Gothic "Southwark Cathedral", and then cross the river at Tower Bridge to get back to the starting point. Boat trips: Down the Thames to Greenwich (the Imperial War is good and the Greenwich Observatory museum is good and includes the clocks described in ). Or there's a longer trip West to Henry VIII's palace at Hampton Court which is really beautiful. Blue Plaques: English Heritage put up blue circular plaques on buildings that famous folk once lived in. There are walks linking them. My favourites include Virginnia Woolf's (29 Fitzroy Square, behind the British Museum); Jimi Hendrix's (23 Brook Street W1, near Mozart's at 20 Frith Street!) and the Texan Embassy (from when it was a country not a state, in the building that's now Berry Brothers wine store on St James Street). Galleries & Museums: On the South Bank the Tate recently refurbished a huge power plant to house their contemporary art collection. It's amazing stuff in an amazing space and has become an icon for the resurgence of London as a hip place. Their older gallery on Milbank has great collections of Turner and of Blake too. The National Gallery has a beautiful collection of mediaeval art in their new wing on Trafalgar Square. All the London museums are good. My favourites are The British Museum and the Victoria and Albert Museum. (Actually, they have recently restored the huge statue of Prince Albert that Queen Victoria had made soon after his death. It's in the park near The Albert Hall (sorry, I forget the name) and looks amazing as it is newly clad in gold leaf.) The British Museum has just re-done their courtyard so that the famous British Library Reading Room is open to the public. It's a beautiful light and airy atrium, and loads of famous people hung out in the Reading Room e.g. Marx wrote "Das Kapital" there. The British Museum's collection of Egyptian Mummies is great fun but my favourite pieces are the Sutton Hoo burial finds, the Isle of Lewis chess set, and of course the contentious Elgin Marbles (now called the Parthenon Marbles. Greece want them back but like all good thieves we're keeping them). The V&A has some lovely work in it. Some great William Morris and an incredible collection of dresses, spanning Elizabethan, through 60's minis, to a case showing the development of the designer black dress. Pubs: Develop a taste for room-temperature, flat, English beer. It's the greatest beer in the world and will reward your patience! CAMRA publish "The Good Beer Guide". One to try is "The George Inn" on Borough High Street near London Bridge Station. Shakespeare and Dickens drunk there so you'll be in good company! I've heard the view from the new London Eye is amazing too. Cheers, Dumbledad. From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sun Jun 1 22:05:04 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:05:04 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Knight Bus and Driving in England In-Reply-To: <20030601204343.69402.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EDB0530.25939.1B56D8@localhost> On 1 Jun 2003 at 13:43, Ladi lyndi wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the green L's and P's > mean that I saw on people's cars? Someone said > they meant that it shows someone is a new driver > and I was to either avoid or harass the driver. > So, I'm now confused about what those things > really mean. We have them in Australia as well. L indicates a learner driver - somebody who is unlicensed and learning to drive with an experienced driver in the passenger seat. P indicates someone with a probationary licence - a newly qualified driver - somebody who qualified in the previous 2 years (in the UK). It's intended to alert other drivers to the need to be careful around these people and not to put them under undue stress. The 'harass the driver' comment was probably (hopefully) a joke. It lets you know that they *may* do unusual things due to inexperience - thry may still be at the stage that they have to think and remember rules on who gives way to who for example, rather than knowing those rules like the back of their hands. It also lets police know who they are. Police tend to come down much harder on Probationary licence holders for reckless driving and the like, but *may* be more tolerant of some mistakes, provided they are not dangerous ones. I'm not sure of all the rules in the UK - here, P-Plate drivers also have restrictions that fully licenced drivers do not - for example, a fully licenced driver can legally drive with a blood alcohol content of up to 0.05. P-Plate drivers must have a BAC of 0.00. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "Almighty Ruler of the all; Whose power extends to great and small; Who guides the stars with steadfast law; Whose least creation fills with awe; Oh grant thy mercy and thy grace; To those who venture into space." From susannahlm at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 23:15:10 2003 From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 23:15:10 -0000 Subject: FF: Getting Drunk Message-ID: Wendy, thanks! > (Question: is a can of beer equivalent to a pint? Not sure, and I > also guess it matters whose pint you're talking about - Britain and > the US have different ones. Might be worth doing a bit of research > to see what the actual volume is. When I used to drink, it was in > the U.S., so for myself I think of things in terms of the glass > you'd be served in an American bar. But I don't think there's > *that* much difference between the two. Hopefully someone will > correct me if I'm way off about this. And having lived in Scotland> until recently, I think of my husband's drinking in pints, so I > guess that's still relevant). Ah, yeah, good point. They're in Scotland, of course, so I probably should take that into consideration. > And, for the record, I'm talking about pints of beer or similar > (Guiness, etc). I think the heavier drinks (Guiness, for example) > do have a higher alcohol content than a light lager would have, but > I think the difference is negligible for your purposes. You can > probably have them drinking whatever sort of *beer* you want. If > they start drinking *whiskey* though, or some other hard liquor > like rum or vodka or gin, they will definitely NOT be drinking in > pints, or they'll be DEAD long before they get around to chatting > about Death Eater business. Avery is definitely drinking some kind of beer. Maybe Guiness. Snape I'm not sure about yet, although I do rather like your whiskey suggestion. > I do have a question about your scenario: I wasn't really sure if > the raid *just* happened, or if they've had a night's sleep? If the > raid just happened, and poor Avery is in a state of exhaustion and > stress, I'd say that a pint and half would probably get him at > *least* to "happy," Yeah, the raid just happened. Avery, BTW, *is* a regular drinker -- he's had a bit of a problem with it for a while and it's been getting worse since the Dark Mark started appearing during GOF. So, bottom line, couple of pints, do you think? Thanks again for all of your help. Derannimer From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 00:40:40 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Knight Bus and Driving in England In-Reply-To: <3EDB0530.25939.1B56D8@localhost> Message-ID: <20030602004040.26386.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shaun wrote: > It lets you know that they > *may* do unusual things due to > inexperience - thry may still be at the stage > that they have to think and remember rules > on who gives way to who for example, rather > than knowing those rules like the back of > their hands. Lynn: Thanks for explaining that. Personally, I wanted something for my car that said "Driver inexperienced at driving on the left side of road - driving and reading road signs means they will slow down to a crawl." LOL I think my funniest experience was when I thought I had driven through a red light and was horrified by it. The next time through the area, I did stop at the light, only to have the drivers behind me start honking their horns. What I had thought was a red light for me was actually a red light for people who were going to turn right, except the light was in front of me and way to the left of those waiting to turn right. So, we started looking for arrows under the lights to make sure I didn't stop traffic unnecessarily. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 08:16:38 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:16:38 -0000 Subject: Harry Haters and the Lack of Proof In-Reply-To: <152.1fd39a34.2c08689c@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm going to try one more time. My original post, of which a portion is included here, was shot down my the MODS for excessive sarcasm and biting wit. Or perhaps because I was just a little too obnoxious which I admit I was. So here are the main points of what I can't tell you (did that make sense?). - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote: >> >> Let me first just say that this post is for research purposes, .... >> >> I'm searching for proof to prove the people right who put down >> Harry Potter as promoting witchcraft or Satin or being against the >> Bible, or whatever they're saying next; basically I'm looking for >> a good reason to want to ban HP books as much as some people want >> to. >> >> ...edited... >> >> So, I'm looking for evidence. Can anyone point me to an article or >> anything that shows actual, factual proof? >> >> ...edited... >> >> So any info will help immensely! All I need is one story, one >> report, anything. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Melly bboy_mn (tries again): Referring to the people who protest against HP. "They are such pathetic sheep, who are so afraid to think for themselves, that they will eagerly follow the loudest voice in the crowd regardless of what that voice is saying." I know that's harsh, perhaps bordering on mean-spirited, and I certainly don't mean it to include all people who have taken a stand against HP, but there really are a significant number of people in this world who are desparate for someone else to tell them what to believe in. That very thing is, in fact, something the Bible warns us to watch out for. "Not all those who call my name will enter the kingdom of heaven." "Some people like the sound of their own voice so much that they will say anything to get their face on TV or their picture in the paper. Personally, I am convinced that a significant number of the so-called moral protests are nothing more than publicity stunts made by people who are trying to grab a little more money, power, and fame." Again, a very harsh statement to make, but one that I believe is completely true. I will ammend that by again adding that I don't think that statement encompasses every person who speaks out against HP, but it certainly covers a substantial number of them. Especially those at the top who are instigating these protests. Can you really say that people like this don't exist? The Bible truly does warn us to watch out for people who speak God's name just a little too loudly, and warns us to be wary of people who claim that they alone know what God truly wants. These are people who trade on the name of God for, as I said, money, power, and fame. And the Bible tells us that they are a form of evil in themselves. Again, I temper that statement by adding that it doesn't include all people who speak out against HP. But as we decide who is the real arbiter of morality and who is the false arbiter, let's remember that the offical spokespersons for every major religion have endorsed HP. More on that in the next part. Surely, you can see the pattern here. Alleged moral leaders who stand to profit in someway, speak out against an aspect of popular culture. Official moral leaders who have nothing to gain, speak out in favor of it. -End this part- DumbleDad added: >>>I've nothing against witchcraft and wizardry (other than that it doesn't really work) but those who do, on religious grounds or otherwise, would find the lack of judgement against witchcraft and wizardry a problem with the HP series. <<< bboy_mn respond (now trying to surpress his sarcarm): In really life, witchcraft and wizardry (also know as Wicca) are perfectly valid benevolent belief systems. They are in no way Satanic or evil, and therefore do not need any defending and there is little or no judgement that needs to be made against them or about them. The other form of witchcraft and wizardry is storybook, fairytale, TV, and movie witchcraft and wizardry which is completely fake and only exists to get us to part with our money for the priviledge of feeling our adrenaline flowing heavily for a period of time. Frequently, in this fairytale variety, you will find clear distinctions between good witchcraft and wizardry, and bad witchcraft and wizardry, or more accurately, since witchcraft and wizardry in and of themselves are not good or evil, good witches and wizards, and bad witches and wizards. Occassionally, people of limited intelligence combined with considerable mental instability will try to bring the fairytale witchcraft into the really world. Like most people who pervert doctrines to suit their own ends, these people are perverting the concept of witchcraft to justify the evil the intend to do. They do not serve a doctrine but twist a doctrine to serve themselves. That's standard practice for psychotic people, and this pervertion of doctrine in the name of some cause or diety is the classic means by which these psychotic people gain control over the mindless sheep who make up way to much of the population of most societies (sad but true). Now off my soapbox and onto my collector's edition Harry Potter's defenders podium (available in oak, walnut or maple finishes; I have oak). Harry Potter does make a judgement ABOUT witchcraft and wizardry; a very clear distinct judgement. That judgement is that evil people are evil, and good people are good; although it's kind of hard to tell who is who at times. Again, there is no judgement that needs to be made against the 'craft' because the 'craft' is morally neutral. It is the people and the use of their 'craft' that need to be judged. Voldemort perverts doctrine and magic in dark ways that do not serve the true craft but serve as tools, weapons, and justification for the things he wants. There is a clear and undeniable sense of good and evil, right and wrong, just and unjust in the Harry Potter series. That's not just my belief, but the OFFICIAL spokespersons of every major religion has endorsed these books as having a solid moral foundation; Archbishop of Canterbury, Church of England, Catholic Church, major Protestant religions, and given the live and let live attitude of Eastern religious, I have to assume Buddhist, Shinto, Hindi, etc.... I think you will not find the proof you are seeking because it doesn't exist. The best you will be able to find is people's perverted twisting of truth and doctrine to meet their own ends. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. bboy_mn PS: I never object to people evaluating and making judgements for themselves regardless of whether those judgements go against my own beliefs. I do object to people who try to speak for God, and demonize an aspect of popular culture, when they are so obviously doing it for their own ends. If a mother investigates and personally objects to the HP series and doesn't want her children to read it, I'm fine with that. If that mother is blindly following the proclaimation of some self-proclaimed arbiter of morallity, then in my opinion, she is failing in her moral duty to her religion, her children and herself. Any time we discuss religion, we tread on very shake ground. I hope in doing so, I haven't stepped on any toes. From catherinemck at hotmail.com Mon Jun 2 10:51:14 2003 From: catherinemck at hotmail.com (catherinemckiernan) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 10:51:14 -0000 Subject: The Knight Bus and Driving in England In-Reply-To: <3EDB0530.25939.1B56D8@localhost> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" wrote: > On 1 Jun 2003 at 13:43, Ladi lyndi wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me what the green L's and P's > > mean that I saw on people's cars? Someone said > > they meant that it shows someone is a new driver > > and I was to either avoid or harass the driver. > > So, I'm now confused about what those things > > really mean. Shaun replied: > We have them in Australia as well. > > L indicates a learner driver - somebody who is unlicensed and learning to drive with an > experienced driver in the passenger seat. P indicates someone with a probationary > licence - a newly qualified driver - somebody who qualified in the previous 2 years (in > the UK). > > It's intended to alert other drivers to the need to be careful around these people and not > to put them under undue stress. The 'harass the driver' comment was probably > (hopefully) a joke. > I'm not sure of all the rules in the UK - here, P-Plate drivers also have restrictions that > fully licenced drivers do not - for example, a fully licenced driver can legally drive with a > blood alcohol content of up to 0.05. P-Plate drivers must have a BAC of 0.00. It's a little bit different in the UK from what it sounds like in Australia, I think. Here, the only legal requirement is a red L for a learner (in Wales you may use a red D). Green L and P are optional, and most people don't use them; it's a bit too much like displaying a sign saying 'kick me'. I don't think there is any difference in permitted blood alcohol limits; however, if you get 6 penalty points as a result of (eg.) drink driving in the first 2 years after passing your test, your full license is revoked and you have to pass both the theory and practical test again. Speaking of driving through teeny gaps, was up in the Dales the other day on a road that involves driving through a wall and imagined the directions. "Continue until you get to a 15 ft high stone wall. Drive though it." Catherine McK (venturing for the first time into Chatter's murky waters...) From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 12:45:37 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Self-Evaluation (was Re: Harry Haters and the Lack of Proof) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030602124537.36620.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Steve wrote: > PS: I never object to people evaluating and > making judgements for > themselves regardless of whether those > judgements go against my own > beliefs. If a mother investigates and > personally objects to the > HP series and doesn't want her children to read > it, I'm fine with > that. If that mother is blindly following the > proclaimation of some > self-proclaimed arbiter of morallity, then in > my opinion, she is > failing in her moral duty to her religion, her > children and herself. Lynn: Taking this out of the religious realm for a moment, there are different reasons parents may object to HP which have nothing to do with witchcraft and wizardry in and of itself. One big objection has been that the series is no longer suitable for the original age group. Another is that is it not suitable for the younger kids who have gotten interested in HP due to advertising and the movies. Unfortunately, rather than ask why a parent has an objection, these parents have been automatically branded as religious zealots by those don't understand the concerns some parents may have as to the effect of certain aspects of the books upon their children. Mind you, I am in no way implying that's what Steve has done here but, rather, speaking about what I've seen as a general rule. IMO, the books fall into the following age categories. PS came out in 1997 and is suitable for the 9-10 age group and, indeed, younger. CoS came out a year later and is again, suitable for that age group though I think some aspects are not suitable for some younger children. However, PoA, 1999, may not be suitable for that age group but rather the 11-12 age group. Yet, that's in keeping with the target audience of PS as they also have matured by 2 years. GoF, 2000, may not be suitable for the 11-12 age group but rather a 13+ group, depending upon the maturity of the child. From what has been said of OoP, it most definitely falls into the 13+ age grouping. My point, of course, being that the original target audience has been able to mature as each book as come out and the books are therefore suitable for their present age group. However, a 9-10 starting to read the series now has 5 books they can read in succession and not all those books may be suitable for the 9-10 age group. Thus, you may have parents warning other parents against the HP series on the basis that it is not suitable for particular age groups. Should a parent not take the word of other parents about the suitability of books for their child? I certainly would take the word of other parents I know and be guided by their advice. A friend of mine has children in 3 age groups. The oldest has been allowed to read all 4 books, the middle child 3 books and the youngest only 2 books. This father has informed his oldest that the father will read OoP first before determining whether his son will be allowed to read it. Had I not already been reading the HP series, I most certainly would follow his advice on the suitability of the books for my daughter without further investigation. This is someone I trust. Should a parent read a book before they deem it unsuitable? I certainly don't have to read "The Story of O" to determine it's unsuitable for my daughter based on what I've been told of the contents of the book. Yes, that's an extreme example, however, if I have a child with a fear of snakes or spiders, I may deem CoS unsuitable for my child based on being told it contains man-eating spiders and deadly snakes without feeling the need to read the book myself just to verify those facts. Back to the religious realm, if a mother belongs to a religion/denomination where aspects of any book violates the religious beliefs in which she is raising her children and she comes to that conclusion based upon advice from those she knows and trusts, I have no problems with that. I don't think this is blindly following anyone but rather trusting the judgment of those one has come to respect. All this being said, I do believe that any advice given and listened to should be based on sound reasoning and not heresay. I personally wouldn't make my decision because someone told me my daughter shouldn't read the books because their second cousin's sister-in-law's daughter's hairdresser's child decided to take the family broom to the roof of the house and tried to fly off it. My big objection is when people try to prevent others from doing something based on their own objections. While I believe not all the books are suitable for certain age groups, I would much prefer to see an advisory regarding the books backed by reasons rather than something that only says some parents find a book objectionable. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 2 14:15:29 2003 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:15:29 -0000 Subject: TBAY: Dreaming Of OoP (with guest appearances by A Goldfeesh and Alice) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Ha." said Alice smugly, leaning back in her chair. "That was a good one, wasn't it, Goldfeesh? Won't she be SURPRISED!" "Yars..." said Goldfeesh doubtfully. She, after all, had seen the baseball bat more closely. "I was wondering... if... we should just call it a day and go home." "It's hardly past midday, my dear. And Elkins is coming soon, after all." Goldfeesh sighed, giving in. "What exactly DID you give her, by the way?" she inquired, slightly apprehensive. "Oh, the classic" Alice grinned. "William Cobbett's "Advice to young men, and (incidentally) to young women, in the Middle and Higher Ranks of Life, in a series of letters, addressed to a youth, a bachelor, a lover, a husband, a father, and a citizen or a subject, with a preface by George Spater"." she recited in one long breath. "Not AGAIN..." groaned Goldfeesh. "You gave her that last time!" "I am, in fact, intending for her to READ it before long." said Alice, primly. "It'd do society a whole lot of good if people studied that book more. Every person of refined upbringing and..." Alice was about to go off on a rant, but she was interrupted as the door burst open, revealing Cindy C., brandishing her baseball bat with a dangerous look on her face. Goldfeesh paled visibly. She decided even Alice's rants were preferable to outright violence. She looked round for the master librarian, as did Cindy C.... but there really was no way round it: Alice had, quick as a flick, disappeared in a puff of green smoke. Elkins, halfway up the garden path, nearing the Library, had no idea what was awaiting her in the dimlit room. *** I actually possess a copy of the above mentioned book. It's a riot. And indeed a classic. :))) Love, Alice "Cindy C." wrote: > Cindy staggered around the local public library, clutching the > shards of what was once a wooden baseball bat. Somewhere > *SOMEWHERE* around here must be the library copy of OoP. The book > is *huge.* It shouldn't be that hard to spot, Cindy thought, yet > she had been searching for a very long time. How long, she didn't > know. This was a dream, and clocks never work properly in dreams. > > Suddenly, she smacked her knee into an enormous desk that seemed to > have appeared out of thin air. A golden nameplate fell to the > ground: "A Goldfeesh," it read. > > "May I help you?" said a peeved voice. A Goldfeesh peered over the > top of her cat's eye spectacles, regarding Cindy with disdain. > > "Yes, er . . . " Cindy mumbled, massaging her throbbing joint. "I > put a copy of OoP on hold. I've come to pick it up." > > "When was this?" > > "Uh . . . July 8, 2000." Cindy held out a crumpled ticket with non- > descript brown stains on both sides. > > A Goldfeesh rifled through the reserved books section behind her > desk. "Sorry, I don't see a reserved copy here for you. Are you > sure it was this library? And this branch?" > > "*Of course* I'm sure!" Cindy snapped. "I demand to speak to the > head librarian this instant!" She brandished the splintered bat > menacingly, and A Goldfeesh flinched as she scurried into the back > room. "I'll get her immediately," A Goldfeesh called out. "She > stays right here in back." > > The library was quiet, even for a library. Dozens of patrons > hunched over *their* very own copies of OoP, curling one arm > protectively around them to guard them from Cindy's envious gaze. > > "What seems to be the problem?" The prim head librarian ambled up > to the front desk lazily. Cindy squinted at her name > badge: "Alice, Master Librarian." > > Oh, this is too weird, Cindy thought. I thought Alice Didn't Live > Here Anymore. She cleared her throat. "I want my reserved copy of > OoP *right now!* Or else!" > > "Look. We only have one last reserved copy that hasn't been picked > up yet. There's nothing I can do." > > "Who reserved that last copy?" Cindy asked quietly, now concealing > the bat behind her back and leaning casually over the counter. > > "Someone by the name of 'The Elkins."' > > "Oh, *perfect!*" Cindy cried. "I know 'The Elkins!' She hasn't > been around these parts in a while though. Tell you what. You just > give me that copy of OoP, and I'll make sure it makes its way into > the hands of its, uh, rightful owner. Don't worry, you can count on > me!" She forced her lips into a tight smile and struggled to look > Alice in the eye. > > Alice hesitated a moment, then handed the mighty book to > Cindy. "Well, OK. Since you gave me your word and all." > > Cindy clutched the priceless tome to her breast. "Hey, thanks a > lot!" She turned toward the exit, then whirled back > around. "Listen, if someone claiming to be Elkins comes > by, especially if there are two or three of them, tell them to get > lost, will you?" > > Alice gaped at her, her mouth ajar. > > "Hey, you know what?" Cindy said brightly. "When you do that, you > look just like 'A Goldfeesh.' Get it? Goldfish? Goldfeesh?" She > cackled wildly at her own cleverness. > > The library became even more hushed. > > "I beg your pardon?" Alice said politely. > > "Oh, never mind." > > *************** > > Cindy From charisjulia at hotmail.com Mon Jun 2 16:04:50 2003 From: charisjulia at hotmail.com (charisjulia) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:04:50 -0000 Subject: English language OoP in German bookstores In-Reply-To: <009001c327e9$c8e945a0$69429fc1@n1a2y2> Message-ID: Ethanol wrote: >I'm from Germany, so I thought that I would miss the Big Day and > would have to wait for my copy of OoP until whenever Amazon and the postal > service felt like sending it. > > But when I toured my home city on Monday, I learned that a couple of > bookstores promise to sell copies of the English version on June 21st > (though disquietingly, the sales person added a silent "I hope" at the end > of the sentence :( ). > > Anyway, it might be interesting for others here to check out their local > bookstores. The one in question was "Thalia", a book chain as well as > "Bertelsmann Club" and "Weltbild Verlag". Well, I live in Flanders and I've had my name down for the Booklovers party at the American Book Centre celebrating the release of the Order of the Phoenix for months. You can find a description of the events taking place here: http://www.abc.nl/ Sounds perfectly ghastly, but I'm going anyway. Of course I'm not going to actually read the book till well over a week later, what with exams and everything. . . Anyway, if anybody lives in Flanders or the Netherlands do check it out. By the way, Ethanol, the sales person at my local ABC seemed to take it for granted that the book would be available in Belgium on the same date as the UK and US and couldn't see why I would expect otherwise. Said something about an international launching date, though that's the first and last time I've heard about that. Charis Julia From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 17:25:00 2003 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:25:00 -0000 Subject: Harry Haters and the Lack of Proof In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > I'm going to try one more time. My original post, of which a portion > is included here, was shot down my the MODS for excessive sarcasm and > biting wit. Or perhaps because I was just a little too obnoxious which > I admit I was. Annemehr: Dang. I would've liked to have seen that one! ;> Oh, okay, let's just discuss this one, then... > bboy_mn (tries again): > > Referring to the people who protest against HP. > > "They are such pathetic sheep, who are so afraid to think for > themselves, that they will eagerly follow the loudest voice in the > crowd regardless of what that voice is saying." > > I know that's harsh, perhaps bordering on mean-spirited, and I > certainly don't mean it to include all people who have taken a stand > against HP, but there really are a significant number of people in > this world who are desparate for someone else to tell them what to > believe in. That very thing is, in fact, something the Bible warns us > to watch out for. "Not all those who call my name will enter the > kingdom of heaven." Annemehr: I will also add that it seems there are plenty of people (of whatever belief system) who like to believe all the "doom and gloom" scenarios. You know, the ones that say "the Catholic Church is the Antichrist", "the end times are near", the "one world government conspiracy is everywhere", whatever (and not all are of Christian origin -- those are just the ones I know best). This would help explain *some* of the popularity of the "Left Behind" series (although you can certainly enjoy them either as fantasy or as merely a possibility without being convinced it's all about to happen) and Nostradamus. There seems to be a real taste for this stuff out there among some people. Thinking HP is going to corrupt millions of children has equal attractions. Now I'm going to insert a disclaimer that "doom and gloom" can certainly happen in real life, just not nearly as often as it seems to be looked for (e.g. all the times someone thought the world was going to end on a certain date -- yet it's got to end sometime). > DumbleDad added: > > >>>I've nothing against witchcraft and wizardry (other than that > it doesn't really work) but those who do, on religious grounds or > otherwise, would find the lack of judgement against witchcraft and > wizardry a problem with the HP series. <<< > > > bboy_mn respond (now trying to surpress his sarcarm): > > In really life, witchcraft and wizardry (also know as Wicca) are > perfectly valid benevolent belief systems. They are in no way Satanic > or evil, and therefore do not need any defending and there is little > or no judgement that needs to be made against them or about them. Annemehr: Well, the injunction against "sorcery" (as my Bible has the word) was not against Wicca per se but against any type of divination, as I read it -- against things like the Oracle, or calling on the spirits of the dead for information. It would seem, in modern life, to warn against, say, living your life by your horoscope instead of using your own reason to judge the right things to do. I also would add that a belief system that holds that it is wrong to use any type of "magic" at all is just as valid as Wicca; their adherents hold different views, but as long as they *leave each other alone* there is nothing wrong with that. For *any* belief system that exists, I'm sure there are some people who think it is good, some who are basically indifferent, and some who think it is evil. So, I guess I agree with Dumbledad on this one. bboy_mn: > > The other form of witchcraft and wizardry is storybook, fairytale, TV, > and movie witchcraft and wizardry which is completely fake and only > exists to get us to part with our money for the priviledge of feeling > our adrenaline flowing heavily for a period of time. > > Frequently, in this fairytale variety, you will find [...] good witches and wizards, and bad > witches and wizards. > > Occassionally, people of limited intelligence combined with > considerable mental instability will try to bring the fairytale > witchcraft into the really world. Like most people who pervert > doctrines to suit their own ends, these people are perverting the > concept of witchcraft to justify the evil the intend to do. They do > not serve a doctrine but twist a doctrine to serve themselves. Annemehr: Well, apparently, they are afraid the fantasy magic will cause a sort of "Jackass" phenomenon (how many news stories have you seen about people doing stupid things in imitation of that movie?) -- that children will imitate the book and attempt magic -- and that real demons will take advantage of it (either that, or they're banking that their audience will be afraid of this). I have heard of people believing this before -- you think you are just playing around with a Ouija board, but unbeknownst to you, a real demon starts communicating with you and you are now under his evil influence. The "Jackass" imitators are real. The children who wave pretend wands and shout "alohomora!" and "wingardium leviosa!" are real (mine, for instance). It is perhaps easy to persuade some people that the children will get into trouble just as the "J" imitators do, via the "demons." And, as I said above, some people *like* to be so persuaded. Not that we've seen any news stories about that, though, have we? bboy_mn: > Now off my soapbox and onto my collector's edition Harry Potter's > defenders podium (available in oak, walnut or maple finishes; I have > oak). Annemehr: Can I have the maple one, then? bboy_mn: > > Harry Potter does make a judgement ABOUT witchcraft and wizardry; a > very clear distinct judgement. That judgement is that evil people are > evil, and good people are good; although it's kind of hard to tell who > is who at times. > > Again, there is no judgement that needs to be made against the 'craft' > because the 'craft' is morally neutral. It is the people and the use > of their 'craft' that need to be judged. Voldemort perverts doctrine > and magic in dark ways that do not serve the true craft but serve as > tools, weapons, and justification for the things he wants. > > There is a clear and undeniable sense of good and evil, right and > wrong, just and unjust in the Harry Potter series. That's not just my > belief, but the OFFICIAL spokespersons of every major religion has > endorsed these books as having a solid moral foundation; Archbishop of > Canterbury, Church of England, Catholic Church, major Protestant > religions, and given the live and let live attitude of Eastern > religious, I have to assume Buddhist, Shinto, Hindi, etc.... > > I think you will not find the proof you are seeking because it doesn't > exist. The best you will be able to find is people's perverted > twisting of truth and doctrine to meet their own ends. Annemehr: Just to add that you can't always tell who is cynically twisting doctrine as you describe, and who sincerely believes that, say, a child playing at "magic" can unwittingly allow a demon to take control. > > That's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > bboy_mn > > PS: I never object to people evaluating and making judgements for > themselves regardless of whether those judgements go against my own > beliefs. I do object to people who try to speak for God, and demonize > an aspect of popular culture, when they are so obviously doing it for > their own ends. If a mother investigates and personally objects to the > HP series and doesn't want her children to read it, I'm fine with > that. If that mother is blindly following the proclaimation of some > self-proclaimed arbiter of morallity, then in my opinion, she is > failing in her moral duty to her religion, her children and herself. Annemehr: Do you leave any room for a religious leader (a pastor for instance) investigating HP, finding his objections, and then teaching it to his congregation? You do not seem to object to religious leaders who endorse HP -- they do the same thing but reach different conclusions and teach them. You call them the "official spokespersons," but there are a lot of Christian churches that are independent -- none of the mainline leaders are *their* official spokesperson, only the church's pastor is that. Many of these are the churches that tend to be the most conservative and most likely to object to magic in fiction. bboy_mn: > Any time we discuss religion, we tread on very shake ground. I hope in > doing so, I haven't stepped on any toes. Ditto. And just to make it clear, I agree with you on the morality of HP (obviously!), and a lot of your post; I just don't think that *all* the religious leaders who vilify HP are *intentionally* twisting doctrine to suit their own ends. It seems that I believe more of them to be merely "misguided" than you do, though if they haven't read it, I for one am not letting them off the hook! I don't even get bothered by people who *buy* HP books to burn them (more royalties for JKR, and the publishers will print more). Just as long as they leave the rest of us alone! Annemehr P.S. It's hard to get all worked up about people standing on the shore trying to prevent a tidal wave from coming in! ;) From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Jun 2 19:12:45 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:12:45 -0000 Subject: Harry Haters and the Lack of Proof - a canon point In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve wrote: > Frequently, in this fairytale variety, you will find clear > distinctions between good witchcraft and wizardry, and bad witchcraft > and wizardry, or more accurately, since witchcraft and wizardry in and > of themselves are not good or evil, good witches and wizards, and bad > witches and wizards. Well, that's an interesting question, isn't it, with regard to JKR's magic. If witchcraft is not good or evil, what is meant by the Dark Arts? Why are the Unforgiveable Curses unforgiveable? It's fairly obvious, IMO, that much magic can be regarded as morally neutral, but capable of being pressed into the service of either good or evil just like, say, high explosive, but *some* magic seems somehow to be intrinsically evil - though as yet we have seen remarkably little in the way of examples. We haven't had much evidence of magic that's intrinsically 'good', either. Thoughts? David From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 19:18:06 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:18:06 -0000 Subject: Self-Evaluation (was Re: Harry Haters...) In-Reply-To: <20030602124537.36620.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi wrote: > > --- Steve wrote: > > PS: I never object to people evaluating and > > making judgements for > > themselves regardless of whether those > > judgements go against my own > > beliefs. < > > > Lynn: > > Taking this out of the religious realm for a > moment, there are different reasons parents may > object to HP which have nothing to do with > witchcraft and wizardry in and of itself. > > ...edited... > > My big objection is when people try to prevent > others from doing something based on their own > objections. While I believe not all the books > are suitable for certain age groups, I would much > prefer to see an advisory regarding the books > backed by reasons rather than something that only > says some parents find a book objectionable. > > Lynn bboy_mn: MOST EXCELLENT POST! With outstanding examples of excellent parenting. I agree with everything you said, and will add that you said it very well. Even comments I accumulated along the way, you eventually resolved farther down in your post. I agree, there are perfectly valid reason why you may not want a specific child to read some or all of the books. Age and specific child appropriateness are the most obvious, and this was illustrated perfectly by the examples you gave. The people I was referring to, the money, fame, and power people, are the very people you refer to in your last paragraph. People who are trying to dictate morality to the rest of the world rather than providing us with reasonable, well thought out rational advice and guidance that would aid us in making our own decisions. Trouble is for many lazy parents, it's much easier and much safer to allow your thoughts to be dictated to, rather than risk actually thinking and making decision for yourself. It is far better parenting to guide your children through the HP series and a multitude of other aspect of life, than it is to say anything goes or nothing goes, or to simply ignore it all and hope for the best. Thanks for the insight. bboy_mn From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Jun 2 19:23:23 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:23:23 -0000 Subject: Belief systems (was Harry Haters and the Lack of Proof) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Annemehr wrote: > I also would add that a belief system that holds that it is wrong to > use any type of "magic" at all is just as valid as Wicca; their > adherents hold different views, but as long as they *leave each other > alone* there is nothing wrong with that. I always think this sounds nice, but I'm not surprised that it breaks down so often in practice. Most belief systems do have something to say about coercion: hardly anyone lives completely by the rule of 'live and let live'. Most belief systems also declare that of course coercion should not be used in non-essential areas. Where is all comes apart is that the systems disagree about what is a fitting issue for coercion. They may apparently agree in principle that it's about prevention of harm to others, but the agreement is apparent only when the definition of 'harm' is relative to the belief system. Thus, for example, heretics could be executed in the past not because they believed something thought to be incorrect, but because those beliefs were judged to inflict irreperable harm on those who heard the teaching. There is often disagreement about what constitutes coercion or harassment: one man's patient explanation is another's 'ramming down my throat': if you examine news reports you will see frequent instances where proposals for discussion are treated by their opponents as attacks on them or their interests. David From editor at texas.net Mon Jun 2 19:57:23 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:57:23 -0000 Subject: Intrinsically Good magic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David: > It's fairly obvious, IMO, that much magic can be regarded as morally > neutral, but capable of being pressed into the service of either > good or evil just like, say, high explosive, but *some* magic seems > somehow to be intrinsically evil - though as yet we have seen > remarkably little in the way of examples. We haven't had much > evidence of magic that's intrinsically 'good', either. > > Thoughts? One. We have seen one very powerful example, referenced a couple of times. Sacrifice. Even more powerful when made for love. Off the top of my head (I'm at work): Whatever Lily did for Harry was intrinsically good, to the extent that it was anathema to those who intended evil to him. They couldn't even *touch* him. I'd consider that good on a pretty definitive and elemental level. Life-debts feed into this as well, inasmuch as they are a giving by the saver to the savee. The saving of lives as we have seen it involves sacrifice and risk. Dumbledore tells us that they create a bond; I submit that this bond is an intrinsically good one. James saved Snape at great risk to himself. Harry saved Pettigrew by denying his own desire to see vengeance, and "saved" Sirius and Lupin from committing a (possibly) intrinsically evil act. Sirius obliquely underlines this polarity, when he tells Peter he should have died rather than submit to Voldemort. Peter has not simply made a bad choice and been weak--he has rejected the intrinsically good choice of sacrifice for his friends, which (who knows?) might have *strengthened* them, and chosen the evil. And an interesting thought, that last, which came to me as I typed...what if those who fall, making a good choice, strengthen the side of good even though they die? Makes Pettigrew's betrayal a double one. And it feeds nicely (and ominously) back into Love As A Spell Component, and the corollary that Dumbledore will die in such a way that his death will strengthen the protection of Harry/Hogwarts. (and the theory continues, either Harry or Snape or both will believe that Snape killed him, and the death of Dumbledore is how Snape will buy his way back into the full faith of Voldemort). Okay, have to be productive now. ~Amanda From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 22:08:45 2003 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:08:45 -0000 Subject: Harry Haters and the Lack of Proof - a canon point In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > It's fairly obvious, IMO, that much magic can be regarded as morally > neutral, but capable of being pressed into the service of either > good or evil just like, say, high explosive, but *some* magic seems > somehow to be intrinsically evil - though as yet we have seen > remarkably little in the way of examples. We haven't had much > evidence of magic that's intrinsically 'good', either. > > Thoughts? > > David Please forgive me if these points have been addressed before. This has been an awfully long and stormy thread. It is my understanding that those who condemn HP and magic do so because their "theory of magic" (for want of a better term) mandates drawing power from a supernatural being. Since, in their belief system, the only available supernatural powers are diabolical, or, at best, pagan gods, then for them, magic must always be a bad thing. This is only one theory of magic, however. Since I am not privy to the Hogwarts textbook on the subject, I have to speculate. There is also what I might term the "alchemical" kind of magic-- potions being the most concrete example. The various ingredients are combined by rote, with only an empirical knowledge of the various chemical reactions operating. "Veritaserum" might well be a drug akin to sodium pentothal, but the Wizarding World never learned Avogadro's number, and has no science of biochemistry, other than whatever is included in Muggle Studies. So it is magic to them. A rifle might be perceived as a fire breathing wand to peoples unfamiliar with black powder. Analogously, There might be some change in the atmospheric vibrations around an object when one says "Wingardium Leviosa" in PRECISELY the right way. Magic, yes, in theory (for a given theory of magic), but not necessarily drawing upon a higher-- or lower-- power. Then again, many of these people reject the theory of evolution, so they might not be receptive to theories that challenge their preconceived notions. Haggridd (with gratitude to Aristotle, Gallileo, Kepler, Newton, Leeuwenhoek, Pasteur, Mendeleev, Darwin, Einstein, Bohr, Watson & Crick, the entire DARPA establishment and Nicholas Flamel!) From rvotaw at i-55.com Tue Jun 3 02:29:42 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:29:42 -0500 Subject: UK Castle questions Message-ID: <001801c32977$fdbd3b30$23a1cdd1@RVotaw> I've begun planning my trip to the UK (which if everything goes according to plan will begin one year from today) and have questions already. I've been looking through loads of books and magazines, and two particular castles have caught my eye. Arundel and Warwick. They look positively gorgeous in pictures, has anyone been? Is it worth my time? It looks as though I may have to skip Alnwick, which I only wanted to see because of HP, but it's the only thing preventing a straight northward train trip from London to Edinburg. I've got to give in somewhere. Also, how do you pronounce Arundel? Is it ArUNdel or ArunDEL? Or something else? My mom and I are having, err, disagreements over that. Thanks! Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keegan at mcn.org Tue Jun 3 02:55:36 2003 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:55:36 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] UK Castle questions In-Reply-To: <001801c32977$fdbd3b30$23a1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030602194918.00367f28@localhost> Warick Castle is wonderful. They have a splendid exhibition called "Kingmaker" that consists of a series of dioramas about Warwick himself. Close by is the fabulous Beauchamp Chapel in the local church. I had a great time there. The fellow playing the local knight is very funny. We were lucky enough to get there on a slow day and got to talk to him. Planning trips is almost as much fun as going on them. Almost. Catherine from California At 07:29 PM 6/2/2003 , you wrote: >I've begun planning my trip to the UK (which if everything goes according >to plan will begin one year from today) and have questions already. I've >been looking through loads of books and magazines, and two particular >castles have caught my eye. Arundel and Warwick. They look positively >gorgeous in pictures, has anyone been? Is it worth my time? It looks as >though I may have to skip Alnwick, which I only wanted to see because of >HP, but it's the only thing preventing a straight northward train trip >from London to Edinburg. I've got to give in somewhere. > >Also, how do you pronounce Arundel? Is it ArUNdel or ArunDEL? Or >something else? My mom and I are having, err, disagreements over that. > >Thanks! > >Richelle From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 3 06:40:05 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:40:05 -0000 Subject: UK Castle questions In-Reply-To: <001801c32977$fdbd3b30$23a1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Hi All, --- "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > I've begun planning my trip to the UK (which if everything goes according to plan will begin one year from today) and have questions already. I've been looking through loads of books and magazines, and two particular castles have caught my eye. Arundel and Warwick. < I spent two years living in ArUNdel, while I was doing my doctorate at Sussex and Kate was teaching in Bognor. So you've set me off reminiscing. Arundel is a truly beautiful place. Kate and I moved there after two years in Brighton, which is a hip seaside town in East Sussex. Too hip in fact, it was starting to make us feel stodgy. Arundel was the opposite. So picture perfect but not very hip. We were renting a cottage built by Napoleonic prisoners of war. The landlady had it left furnished with amazing antique furniture and works of art. We had a great time. If you do go to Arundel I would also recommend the Cathedral, the Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust bird reserve, and Betty's Tea shop down Tarrant Street. Betty (the proprietor) is really grumpy, but the woman who makes the cakes, ohhhh, ahhhhh, especially her bakewell tart. I can almost taste it now. There are loads of good pubs too. The Black Rabbit's very well located on the River Arun. Definitely drink Harveys - it's the local beer. Brewed in Lewes. Lewes is good to. It was the seat for Simon DeMontfort, who founded the English parliament. Arundel Castle is the seat of the Duke of Norfolk (actually he's dead now so it was his wife). They are Britian's premier Catholic family (if such an accolade exists) which explains the huge Catholic Cathedral - jointly dedicated to Our Lady and St Philip Howard, who is an ancestor of the Duke of Norfolk. A saint for a reli' must be cool. It's Victorian mock Gothic, but a really fine example. Set next to the Castle on the hill it makes the town look amazing, especially from the train down from London. The castle itself is mainly flint built (many of the old buildings in Suffolk are faced with flint) but includes a really old Norman stone keep (1068) through to some Victorian parts. Peake stayed there (he was riends with the Duke) and it's one of the contenders as an inspiration for Gormenghast. I recommend a long loop around the grounds too. Beautiful rolling Sussex downs. You could start at St Mary's Gate (the pub next to the Cathedral) do a big loop and end up at the Black Rabbit, which is on route back to the castle entrance. If you do do Sussex ? Bodiam Castle, Alfriston, Chichester Cathedral (real gothic, wisteria draped over mediaeval stone buildings form the tea shop there, first death by train buried there, and Holst, and a lovely Chagall stained glass window), Singleton Open Air museum, Pagham Harbour, etc are all worth a visit. Oh, and Bosham. It's near Arundel. Cute little place. The thing that stuck in my mind from there is the groves in the church door lintel from where the crusaders sharpened their swords before leaving on the crusades. I think it's on the Beyeaux Tapestry. I must stop this reminiscing now ? it's doing my head in. Warwick Castle is a more developed tourist attraction though (I believe), so it may be a safer bet. Actually, Kate has just walked in and is telling me I should be recommending Warwick. "The beez neez, old castle through and through". She's right in a way. Arundel Castle has more of a stately home feel. Kate's other suggestion ? just to spoil your binary choice ? is to do North Wales instead. Edward I built some spectacular castles there in the 1200s. Carnaevon, Conwy, and Harlech near Snowdon are amazing. Really old and atmospheric. Well preserved rooms. Prince Charles was inaugurated the Prince of Wales at Carnaevon. I have to say though (and this could start a worse flame war than the HP Haters debate) that Welsh tea shops aren't as good as English ones and nor is their beer. So now that I've completely deserted your original call for information, can I instead recommend you ditch castles all together, and instead do the ruined abbeys of North Yorkshire. Check out Fountains and Rievaulx on the web. Yorkshire also has amazing tea shops and amazing beer. Eek ? I have to get back to working. Cheers, Dumbledad. From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 3 06:46:52 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:46:52 -0000 Subject: UK Castle questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, I wrote: ... oops - I sent the wrong version of my reply: Mistake #1: Arundel - the stress is on the `A' not the `UN' or the `DEL' Mistake #2: Carnaevon = Carnarvon (though that looks wrong too, it's getting late). Cheers, Dumbledad. From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 06:59:03 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:59:03 -0000 Subject: FF Getting Drunk In-Reply-To: <410-220036019223474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Wendy St John" wrote: > Hi, Derannimer, You asked: > > " How many pints do you have to drink before you become drunk?..." British Pints and Standard Fluid Pints- Standard Fluid Pint = 16 fluid ounces (also, two cups) British Pint = 1.2 Standard Pints = 19.2 fluid ounces Typical bottle or can of American beer = 12 fluid ounces. Typical amount that a person can drink and still remain functional, but under the influence; ie: functional but impaired, would be 3 US bottles or cans. You could drive a car quite well, but you really shouldn't. Of course, time comes into play, if you slam down three bottles fast, you are drunk. If you pace them across 30 to 45 minutes each, you are functional. 3 Bottles X 12 oz = 36 oz / 19.2 oz = 1.88 British Pints of Ale. When you are talking about mostly functional but clearly drunk, we are talking about 4 to 6 beers at a reasonable pace. 6 bottles X 12 oz = 72 oz / 19.2 oz = 3.75 British Pints of Ale. Ale and beer come in stout, bitters, and lager. In Britain, the closest you will get to mild golden colored American beer is Lager. The most common British ale is bitters. The most common Irish ale is stout. Types of Ale- http://www.scotchirish.on.ca/styles.html See 'Bitter' and 'Brown Ale' - http://www.johnharvards.com/process/types_A-B.html See 'Stout' (Guinness) - http://www.johnharvards.com/process/types_N-S.html#S Beers of the World Rated - http://tolsun.oulu.fi/kbs/beer/kbsbeer.htm Keep in mind how much you can drink relative to a specific effect is related to size. Hagrid can probably drink liters of beer the way the average person drinks pints of beer. On the other hand, Harry and Ron would probably be completely silly after a couple of standard bottles of beer. Also, keep in mind that is is not uncommon for kids in Europe to drink under the supervison of their parents; usually at mealtime. We even seen underage drinking in the HP books (dinner at the Weasleys), but I can't remember the exact passages. Hope that helps. bboy_mn From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 3 07:16:43 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:16:43 -0000 Subject: Getting too Drunk to weigh water In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- "Steve" wrote: > British Pint = 1.2 Standard Pints = 19.2 fluid ounces I don't think so. I think an Imperial Pint is 20 fluid ounces. It is on my measuring jugs. Wow. We have different sized fluid ounces! How can that be? Surely it's the volume of an ounce of water. Wierd. 1 UK fluid ounce = 28.4 mL 1 US fluid ounce = 29.6 mL Since an ounce is the same mass in the two countries, it must be that UK water is heavier! Why? Perplexed, Dumbledad. From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 3 08:00:10 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:00:10 -0000 Subject: Intrinsically Good magic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- "Amanda" wrote: > One. We have seen one very powerful example, referenced a couple of > times. Sacrifice. Even more powerful when made for love. > Life-debts feed into this as well Are these intrinsically good? They are certainly used for good in the examples we've seen but that doesn't mean they could not be used for evil. Most of the counter examples I can think of (in the real world, not the WW) are too contentious for a late night post. One of the reasons we may not have seen these forms of magic used for evil may be that Voldy is not a very rousing leader. Often evil leaders through history have been inspiring, and have commanded the kind of respect (and fear, granted) that promotes sacrifice and even life-debts. But the minute Voldy is gone, the fear, his sole tool of office, is gone too. Cheers, Dumbledad. From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 11:23:28 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:23:28 -0000 Subject: Parental advisories (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: <20030602124537.36620.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree, great post, Lynn. This particularly had me nodding my head: > an advisory regarding the books > backed by reasons rather than something that only > says some parents find a book objectionable. I don't understand how anyone finds the general warning that a book is controversial useful. I never know whether such vague assertions signal that I'd hate the book, love the book, or be neutral. If you're a James Dobson fan and the warning sticker comes from Focus on the Family, then you have some useful information; otherwise all you know is that someone, somewhere, doesn't like the book. (The banned books list always seems to have most of my favorite books on it.) I like the specificity of the current movie ratings: you know that CS got its PG rating because it has "some scary moments, creature violence, and mild language." That gives a parent a place to start, anyway. Amy From naama_gat at hotmail.com Tue Jun 3 11:26:05 2003 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:26:05 -0000 Subject: Self-Evaluation (was Re: Harry Haters...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: >Trouble is for > many lazy parents, it's much easier and much safer to allow your > thoughts to be dictated to, rather than risk actually thinking and > making decision for yourself. It is far better parenting to guide your > children through the HP series and a multitude of other aspect of > life, than it is to say anything goes or nothing goes, or to simply > ignore it all and hope for the best. > A small and general point here: I don't think it's realistic to expect people to personally check each and every item their children consume. What about food? Is every parent supposed to take samples of every type of food to the lab, to check for harmful substances? Nobody can personally check all the books, films, computer games, Internet sites, games, toys, clothes, food, television programs, etc. their children might consume or be exposed to. You have to trust some of the filtering to the advice of other people (experts, teachers, pastors, scientists, critics, friends ... ).I see it as quite reasonable for people to follow the guidance of people who they think know what they are talking about (of course, *I* think that regarding Harry Potter these people *don't* know what they are talking about). On a different note. I have to say that as a person who doesn't have children, but who remembers her own childhood very well, the thought of parents censoring their children's reading raises my hackles a bit. I would have hated my parents to do that to me. I won't take an oath on it, but I think that if I had children, I'd let them read whatever fell into their hands. Children definitely need protection in the real world, but I'd prefer to give children freedom in the realm of imagination. Just my IMO (and I reserve the right to a complete change of mind when and if I have a child. ) Naama, who survived with soul intact a short enthusiasm for Ayn Rand at 13 From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 11:58:17 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:58:17 -0000 Subject: Intrinsically Good magic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FYI, I responded to this on the main list. Amy Z From heidit at netbox.com Tue Jun 3 12:02:45 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:02:45 -0400 Subject: Taking a break while everyone's asleep... Message-ID: Yesterday, my family was thrilled to welcome our newest member - Jonathon Tandy was born at 1140 am, weighing in at 8lbs 7oz and stretching - against his will, as he prefers to be swaddled or curled up - to 20 inches. Jonathon, previously known in fandom and elsewhere as "Jumper", likes sleeping and snuggling, and has already been schnoogled multiple times. We loff him very much. Heidi, 21 hours on and still beyond enthralled. (and a bit tired) From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 12:16:51 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:16:51 -0000 Subject: Censoring your kids' reading (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Naama wrote: > On a different note. I have to say that as a person who doesn't have > children, but who remembers her own childhood very well, the thought > of parents censoring their children's reading raises my hackles a > bit. I would have hated my parents to do that to me. I won't take an > oath on it, but I think that if I had children, I'd let them read > whatever fell into their hands. Children definitely need protection > in the real world, but I'd prefer to give children freedom in the > realm of imagination. Just my IMO (and I reserve the right to a > complete change of mind when and if I have a child. ) I had a powerful experience with this at age 14, and what made it so powerful was the fact that my parents had never directly censored my reading up until that point.* I was given Truly Tasteless Jokes for my birthday--remember Truly Tasteless Jokes?--and my dad, being the kind of person who took an interest in what his kids were reading/doing/listening to, thumbed through it. He was appalled, and he ordered me to throw it out. If you'll pardon the language, he said that it was absolutely disgusting to refer to women as cunts and Jews as kikes and blacks as niggers and find those things funny, and that he refused to have that filth in his house. The whole thing, as I say, had a particularly strong effect on me because I had always had the run of the family bookshelves, with their Lady Chatterley, Joy of Sex, Huck Finn, etc. My dad is, furthermore, not attuned to politically correct language (IIRC, he snorted when his daughters came back from their first semester at college insisting on being called women), and I've never known him to destroy a book. The latter injunction had such a strong effect on me that, feeling that nothing justified throwing a book out, I disobeyed him and only buried the book in a drawer. But after a few weeks I did throw it away. He had succeeded in making me feel disgusted by it, and to this day I think he was right. Like parents who make every rule sound like life or death and whose children therefore don't believe them when they say "don't touch that charcoal lighting fluid," I think parents who exercise too heavy a censoring touch run the risk of losing their credibility. Amy *They might have done so in subtler ways. My mother claims that when we were little, she hid "The Little Engine that Could" because she hated it so and we wanted her to read it to us over and over again. Not exactly a candidate for the "most banned books" list, but it drove her nuts. From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 12:22:24 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:22:24 -0000 Subject: Taking a break while everyone's asleep... Message-ID: Wonderful, wonderful news, Heidi! Magic is real. Amy From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 13:09:06 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: This week?s exciting announcements from Nimbus ? 2003! Message-ID: <20030603130906.16437.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome to June! Were closing in on the zero hour, folks. Theres still much to be done, but for now, here are a few new developments: 1. Thanks to an update at RegOnline, we have made our payment options more accurate. Now, if you are paying by PayPal, you may select Wire Transfer for your method. The PayPal instructions are still the same its just that you no longer have to count it as a Check. 2. We have reserved 20 seats at each luncheon for family members of registrants. If you are registered and you would like members of your family to be able to accompany you to the luncheons, you may do so in our registration system under Other Fees. The cost for a family member to accompany you to the luncheons is $39.75 per person per lunch. Remember you can Update your own registrations by following our links to the registration page, selecting Update and entering your email address. You will go to your Group List after you hit continue on the registration page. By clicking on the link next to your name, you can make changes and additions to your agenda and fees. 3. As wonderful, exciting, and informative as the Nimbus - 2003 programming will be, we know some of you are looking forward most to meeting Your Own. That's why we'll be using our banquet room in its off-hours for "Birds of a Feather" meetings. Trying to find all the other members of Guns 'n' Handcuffs? Looking for other people who sail the Wolfstar? Wondering how many people are also Baker Street Irregulars? Or just want to find fellow believers in Magic Dishwasher, 4th Man Avery, or Lollipops? Use the BoF tables! Each day, we'll set sign-up sheets on designated BoF tables and locations. Simply sign up your BoF for the hour of your choice, or if you prefer, leave a message listing a different meeting time and location. Your like-minded flamingos will flock to you! BoF Rules: A. BoF meetings may not last more than one hour at the designated location. People may continue, if they vacate the location for the next group. They may also continue if no one is waiting for the space. B. If BoF meetings become disruptive to the groups around them, they may be asked to move to a location outside the designated Nimbus - 2003 meeting space. C. BoF meetings may not be held for any purpose promoting negative agendas, i.e., racism, discrimination, flaming or defaming a particular person or group within the fandom, housism, etc. (Sorry, gang. The annual meeting of the "Gwendolyn Grace - what a bitch!" Society will just have to wait.) Character hatred, such as "Down with Fudge," is acceptable. D. BoF meetings are not sanctioned or endorsed by Nimbus - 2003 or HPEF, Inc. E. BoF meetings held in Nimbus - 2003 space must be open to anyone who wants to participate. However, if someone is a disruption or causes a disturbance, or engages in harrassing or threatening behaviour, BoF leaders should contact Security as soon as possible. Serious disturbances may result in all offenders being asked to leave the remainder of the symposium without a refund. 4. Now you can have a little bit of Nimbus 2003 to keep with you, whether you can attend or not! Weve just opened a CafePress store of items featuring our logo and some poster artwork: http://www.cafeshops.com/hpefinc Sales at the store help benefit Nimbus 2003, and if you order now, you could get your Nimbus gear in time for the Order of the Phoenix release! Speaking of which, have you voted for your preferred location for the Order of the Phoenix MeetUp near you? Visit http://www.MUARI.org to see what were talking about, or go here: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/week_2003_05_25.html#002909 to read the Leaky Cauldron press release. Well bring you more news as it develops! Gwendolyn Grace Minister of Magic, Nimbus - 2003 ===== Bring Your Own Broom to Nimbus - 2003! http://www.hp2003.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 13:18:51 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Parental advisories (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030603131851.13474.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amy wrote: > I never know whether > such vague assertions > signal that I'd hate the book, love the book, > or be neutral. If > you're a James Dobson fan and the warning > sticker comes from Focus on > the Family, then you have some useful > information; otherwise all you > know is that someone, somewhere, doesn't like > the book. (The banned > books list always seems to have most of my > favorite books on it.) Lynn: I find the problem with banned book lists is that they seldom list the reasons why someone thinks the books should be banned and also seldom differentiate between an overall ban or an age specific ban. All the books are lumped together and then you hear the huge outcry. When a book list comes out that actually lists reasons people gave, most of the time you find that parents are asking that certain books be moved from the children's section to either the young adult or adult section due to inappropriate material for that age group and have not asked that the book itself be banned from the general population. I would definitely like to see either the same kind of rating system for children's books as they have for movies or, what may actually be better, create one section for books which may need parental discretion as to whether it is appropriate for their child. This section could have those books where a number of parents have objected to based on age appropriate material. I believe this used to be done more often way back when. I remember in the 8th grade "The Diary of Anne Frank" was on our English reading list and we had to have parental permission before we were allowed to read it for class. Those who didn't receive parental permission where given an alternate book. Obviously there's nothing wrong with the book. At the time I thought the whole thing was silly but now I realize that the school recognized that some of the kids may not be mature enough to handle some of the material in the book. In my grade school, if we wanted to take out a book from the library which was higher than our grade section, we also had to have parental permission to do so. Of course, all this was in the 60s, so we're talking way, way back. LOL Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 13:42:05 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 13:42:05 -0000 Subject: Repeated reading to kids (was:Censoring your kids' reading) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" wrote: My mother claims that when we were little, she hid "The Little Engine that Could" because she hated it so and we wanted her to read it to us over and over again. Not exactly a candidate for the "most banned books" list, but it drove her nuts. Me: Oh, lord, you're making me remember when my son was about three and he asked us to read Dr. Seuss's "Hand, Hand, Fingers, Thumb" repeatedly. I mean that this kid could listen to this book read like twenty times in a row. And it didn't exactly have the verve and humor of "Red Fish, Blue Fish," "Green Eggs and Ham" (my favorite rendition is by the Rev. Jesse Jackson on SNL ) and "The Cat in the Hat." The only other book I think we read quite so many times was "Dr. Seuss's ABCs" which my husband really got into reading to the kids--he almost did it like a kind of rap, and had a little soft-shoe number that went with some bits.... --Barb, who's glad that the kids now repeatedly read things by JK Rowling, Roald Dahl, Eva Ibbotson, Jane Langton and Laura Ingalls Wilder From cindysphynx at comcast.net Tue Jun 3 13:46:52 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 13:46:52 -0000 Subject: Taking a break while everyone's asleep... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hearty congratulations, Heidi! Boy, just thinking about kissing those buttery cheeks and stroking that silky newborn hair makes me long for just one more . . . Enjoy the little tyke! Cindy -- who loves to touch the little curled toes of newborns From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 14:23:17 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Self-Evaluation (was Re: Harry Haters...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030603142317.31234.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> --- naama wrote: > I have to say that as a > person who doesn't have > children, but who remembers her own childhood > very well, the thought > of parents censoring their children's reading > raises my hackles a > bit. I would have hated my parents to do that > to me. I won't take an > oath on it, but I think that if I had children, > I'd let them read > whatever fell into their hands. Children > definitely need protection > in the real world, but I'd prefer to give > children freedom in the > realm of imagination. Just my IMO (and I > reserve the right to a > complete change of mind when and if I have a > child. ) Lynn: May I respectfully say that you probably will change your mind when you have a child. ;) It's a whole 'nuther universe at times and you'll be amazed how your attitudes change when that little bundle arrives. Just ask any father of a daughter who used to think it was great to play doctor with the girl down the street and now thinks all boys are scum and say their daughter isn't allowed to date until she's 35! LOL Censorship is not necessarily a bad thing though it has that connotation. It can be a very responsible and necessary thing for a parent to do. A parent should know their child, the maturity level, fears, etc. Children can't always differentiate between literal and figurative and it can cause problems when they aren't given guidance in exploring the realm of imagination. A parent may decide that something would be more appropriate for when the child is older or determine that some things must be done with the parent. For example, we let our daughter watch PS whenever she wants but she's not allowed to watch CoS unless Mommy or Daddy watch it with her. Why? She has a huge fear of spiders so we can skip over the spider scenes until such time as we can help her get over her fear of them. Watching that spider grab Ron won't exactly help us do that. 8) I believe it's very important that parents have a good handle on what their children are reading, watching, listening to, eating, etc. and to know what is out there that can influence their children. Trash in, trash out. Can parents know about everything that affects their child? No, not in the world today, but as parents we do what we can and establish the type of relationship whereby our children know they can come talk to us about things and we can influence how they learn to make responsible choices for their lives. To say it's impossible to know everything and so abdicate responsiblity for knowing anything is, IMHO, irresponsible parenting. Again, IMHO, I think Amy's dad sounds like a very responsible parent. --- Amy wrote: > *They might have done so in subtler ways. My > mother claims that when > we were little, she hid "The Little Engine that > Could" because she > hated it so and we wanted her to read it to us > over and over again. > Not exactly a candidate for the "most banned > books" list, but it > drove her nuts. Amy, I think you may be right that there was censorship going on in your home that you weren't aware of. I wouldn't be surprised if books that were more adult in nature were higher on the bookshelves where little hands didn't get a hold of them. Anyway, that's what we do in our house. LOL As you grew taller, you were also older and more mature to deal with those books. As for "The Little Engine That Could", that wasn't censorship, that was purely to save your mother's sanity. LOL I love books, but after reading something 1,000 times, you really need the break. I wouldn't be surprised if your mom could have told you the story word for word without the book in front of her. We go through that now with our daughter, particularly at bedtime. I've purposely packed up a couple of books for our move just to give hubby and I a month-long break from reading them. LOL Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 14:26:01 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Taking a break while everyone's asleep... Message-ID: <20030603142601.68930.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> --- Heidi wrote: > Yesterday, my family was thrilled to welcome > our newest member - Jonathon Tandy was born at > 1140 am, weighing in at 8lbs 7oz and stretching > - against his will, as he prefers to be > swaddled or curled up - to 20 inches. Lynn: CONGRATULATIONS! Welcome to the world Jonathon! ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From kristilynn5 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 17:13:06 2003 From: kristilynn5 at yahoo.com (Kristi Smith) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Taking a break while everyone's asleep... Message-ID: <20030603171306.8816.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Many congratulations to you and your family. There is nothing like the face of an angel looking back at you. Their soft, fine hair and wrinkly, pink skin is just euphoric. Savor every moment for, as you know, they grow up way to fast! Congrats, Kristi Heidi Tandy wrote: Yesterday, my family was thrilled to welcome our newest member - Jonathon Tandy was born at 1140 am, weighing in at 8lbs 7oz and stretching - against his will, as he prefers to be swaddled or curled up - to 20 inches. Jonathon, previously known in fandom and elsewhere as "Jumper", likes sleeping and snuggling, and has already been schnoogled multiple times. 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Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 18:19:29 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:19:29 -0000 Subject: Getting too Drunk to weigh water In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Hi All, > > --- "Steve" wrote: > > British Pint = 1.2 Standard Pints = 19.2 fluid ounces > > I don't think so. I think an Imperial Pint is 20 fluid ounces. It is > on my measuring jugs. > > ...edited... > > Perplexed, > > Dumbledad. bboy_mn ConvertIt.com http://convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/Measurement/Converter.ASP Conversion Result: British pint = 1.20095 fluid pint (volume) 16 oz X 1.20095 = 19.2152 oz 1 British Pint = 19.2152 standard fluid ounces. Your Measuring Jugs are 0.7848 oz in error. Either that or the Imperial Ounce line is slightly lower than the 20 fluid ounce mark. Just passing it along. bboy_mn From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 18:59:08 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:59:08 -0000 Subject: Castles of Britain Website In-Reply-To: <001801c32977$fdbd3b30$23a1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Here is a website that has pictures of virtually every castle in Britian. Main Page- http://www.castles-of-britain.com/ Photo Page- http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castleg.htm Castle Links- http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castle39.htm Also Castle UK Net- http://www.castleuk.net/homepage.htm Not as well organized, but still very good, best to go to the 'Castle Index' rather than the map pages. I think it's best to see a picture of the castle before you take the time to actually go out and see it. Some castles are nothing more that an old barely visible foundation overgrown with weeds. Remember Almwick Castle was used in the HP movies, and is a very big working castle. Don't forget Chillingham Castle which is officially considered Britain's Most Haunted Castle. This place really is severly haunted and could probably give the Shrieking Shack a run for it's money. http://www.chillinghamcastle.co.uk/ http://www.chillingham-castle.com/ghosts.htm Maps of Harry Potter Movie location- CBBC Newround Article http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_1664000/1664445.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/pictures/galleries/newsid_1664000/1664768.stm BTA website is also not the best organized site, but eventually after struggling through ill-concieved menues and searches, you will find what you are looking for. British Tourist Authority- http://campaigns.visitbritain.com/harry_potter/index.htm ... Flash Version- http://campaigns.visitbritain.com/harry_potter/harry_potter.html ... HTML Version http://campaigns.visitbritain.com/harry_potter/index1.htm For a free copy of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone: Discovering the Magic of Britain" call the British Tourist Authority toll-free on 1(866) 4 HEDWIG, Mondays through Fridays between 9:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. (Eastern Time). For personal callers, the map is also available from BTA's British Travel Centers at 551 Fifth Avenue (at 45th Street) in New York City, Mondays through Fridays between 9:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m., and at 625 N. Michigan Avenue, Suite 1001, Chicago, IL, Mondays through Fridays between 9:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. BTA's travel center in New York can also be reached via e-mail at: Travelinfo @ bta.org.uk . Just a few thougths. bboy_mn From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:19:07 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:19:07 -0000 Subject: Getting too Drunk to weigh water In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- "Steve" wrote: > Your Measuring Jugs are 0.7848 oz in error. Either that or the > Imperial Ounce line is slightly lower than the 20 fluid ounce mark. No - the UK fluid ounce and the USA fluid ounce differ. So a UK pint is 20 fluid ounces (UK) and 19.2 fluid ounces (USA). This seemed bizarre to me yesterday, but I've since found the explanation on : "In the old imperial system the gallon had its own definition, independent of any cubic measures. It was defined (in 1824) as "the space occupied by 10 pounds of pure water at 62?F". (This was just over 277 cubic inches.) In the 1970's when all units were re-defined in terms of metric measures then it was decreed that 1 (UK) gallon = 4.54609 litres (exactly) It is important to remember that the UK(imperial) gallon is NOT the same size as the US gallon. It is bigger by about three-quarters of a litre. The US gallon was originally defined to be 231 cubic inches. This was in fact the Queen Anne 'wine gallon' (of 1707) which has a traceable history back to 1493. With metrication, the US gallon is now defined as 1 (US) gallon = 3.785 411 784 litres (exactly) As the UK and US gallons are different in size, then so also are all the related measures: pints, gill etc.. However, the US pint (which is the smaller) has only 16 fluid ounces in it, against the UK pint which has 20 fluid ounces. The net result is that the US and UK fluid ounces are very close in size, with a (usually negligible) error of less than 4%" Cheers, Dumbledad. From greywolf1 at jazzfree.com Tue Jun 3 21:26:38 2003 From: greywolf1 at jazzfree.com (Grey Wolf) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:26:38 -0000 Subject: Intrinsically Good magic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: GW, who is sorry for the one liner From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 3 21:31:44 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:31:44 -0000 Subject: Lyra's Oxford Message-ID: Hi All, Appologies if this has come up already, but I've only just noticed. There is a further installment in Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy++ coming out later this year (October 28). It's not The Book of Dust, but a short book called Lyra's Oxford. It appears to be a short sory (stories?), maps of Lyra's Oxford, and a postcard. There's a full cast audio version too. This is a good year for reading. Cheers, Dumbledad. From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 3 21:42:45 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:42:45 -0000 Subject: Taking a break while everyone's asleep... Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" wrote: > Yesterday, my family was thrilled to welcome our newest member - Jonathon Tandy was born at 1140 am, weighing in at 8lbs 7oz and stretching - against his will, as he prefers to be swaddled or curled up - to 20 inches. > > Jonathon, previously known in fandom and elsewhere as "Jumper", likes sleeping and snuggling, and has already been schnoogled multiple times. We loff him very much. > > Heidi, 21 hours on and still beyond enthralled. (and a bit tired) Welcome, Jonathon. And congrats to Heidi and family. May his life always be filled with love. Pip From madelynx at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 22:41:24 2003 From: madelynx at yahoo.com (Madelyne X) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:41:24 -0000 Subject: Snapefans: posted artwork on Dark Potions Message-ID: If you're not into Snape, don't bother with this post, otherwise....for a select multitude...... This is the second illustration I've been doing for the illustrious Veresna Ussep's provocative fic 'Loves Labours;Paradise Lost' is up at Dark Potions. http://www.firefancies.com/darkpotions/main.htm >under 'fine art' Warning: contains a 'mild' hot sauce of erotic content ~M The Keeper of His Buttons From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 3 23:13:12 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:13:12 -0000 Subject: COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations Message-ID: I'm looking to buy a laptop because I'll be a freshman in college in the fall, but I'm still up-in-the-air about which one/what kind so I figured...who better to ask that you guys! (After all we're obviously all computer users.) My school suggest that I buy one through their store which means deciding between an IBM, a Dell, and an Apple. I've had an IBM in the past, and don't think I want another one, and I've got a Gateway right now. So basically I'm asking should I go for a Mac or stick with Windows? I've had advice leaning both ways. So if any of you have macs and love (or hate) them, let me know. Any Dell Stories would be welcome too! Thanks... Thanks in advance! Grazie! Scott From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 23:21:32 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Mecki! Message-ID: <20030603232132.85780.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> *blows up the last of balloons and hangs the final strand of tinkly lights around the room* I bet you all thought I forgot today's birthday, didn't you? Not a chance. :) Today's birthday honouree is Mecki. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to meckelburg at foni.net I hope you day has been filled with magic, fun and friends. Happy Birthday, Mecki! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From meboriqua at aol.com Tue Jun 3 23:30:27 2003 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:30:27 -0000 Subject: Taking a break while everyone's asleep... Message-ID: Congratulations Mom and Dad Tandy! I'm glad to hear everything is well and baby boy is healthy and happy. I hope he likes Harry Potter! --jenny from ravenclaw, who knows baby Jonathon will love his (big brother) Harry as much as his parents do and our Harry as much as we do **************************************************************** From illyana at mindspring.com Tue Jun 3 23:44:06 2003 From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:44:06 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <439E830E-961D-11D7-901E-003065B8B954@mindspring.com> On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 04:13 , Scott wrote: > So if any of you have macs and love (or hate) them, let me know.? > Any Dell Stories would be welcome too! > I have had Macs all of my life so I guess I am sort of biased toward them (I am not one of those PC-haters, though - I have no problem with PCs). I would say to get whatever you think would be the most beneficial for you. If you want something that will have easy maintenance, I would say to get a Mac. The newest Mac OS (OS X) never crashes and is Unix-based, so if a program crashes, the rest of the computer is fine. I have had my PowerBook G4 for over two years and have only had a kernel panic once, and it was my fault, not the computer's (luckily, the computer was fine). Plus, you'll never get a virus. I think there are less than 10 known viruses for Mac OS X, and I have never received one in an email or in a download. I guess Mac users are just not as widely-targeted for viruses as are PC users. However, you should think about what kind of software you are going to be running. Microsoft has a version of Office for Mac OS X (it's quite good, and is compatible with the PC versions), but other Microsoft programs are not available (like Access). If you are going to be running software that is strictly PC, then you should definitely get a PC. Also, if you are going to be doing RAM upgrades (or other hardware upgrades) to your computer, you will want to keep in mind the manufacturer's rules for that kind of thing. I know that many manufacturers will void your entire warranty if you do any kind of hardware upgrades on your machine. If you upgrade hardware on a Mac, your warranty is still good - you just cannot have warranty work done on the hardware that you installed yourself (obviously). Hope this helps. I have never owned a PC, so I have no idea who to reccommend. A friend of mine used to own a Sony VAIO laptop and he had many problems with his PC/MCIA port, but I have also heard good things about those machines from other owners. The same friend has also owned a Compaq laptop (not sure which model) that had a lot of problems, but again, I cannot really say that all Compaqs are bad, because another friend of mine has had the same computer for about three years - it still runs fine, although he has had to have it shipped to Compaq for warranty work three or four times. illyana p.s. If you do end up getting a Mac, let me know. My boyfriend and I are quite the Mac geeks and will be able to help you a ton with your purchase if you aren't familiar with the machines and what would suit you. We helped a friend decide which iBook was right for her when she went off to college last summer, and she loves it. HPGCv1 a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meboriqua at aol.com Tue Jun 3 23:44:47 2003 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:44:47 -0000 Subject: Censoring your kids' reading (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" wrote: >I was given Truly Tasteless Jokes for my birthday--remember Truly Tasteless Jokes?--and my dad, being the kind of person who took an interest in what his kids were reading/doing/listening to, thumbed through it. He was appalled, and he ordered me to throw it out.> I remember Truly Tasteless Jokes! They certainly were truly tasteless. My parents had no rules at all about what we could read, though I wouldn't be surprised if my mom had had a similar reaction to the book that your dad did. I do remember not wanting to loan a Judy Blume book to my younger sister because there were sex scenes in it that embarrassed me (you know how when you were a young teen and everything was embarrassing, especially if your parents or siblings even saw the word 'sex' on a page you were looking at?). My mom told me that in our house, anyone could read anything she/he wanted. She was annoyed that I didn't want Amanda to read my Judy Blume book. My kids will be allowed to read whatever they want, too... if/when I have them. --jenny from ravenclaw ****************************** From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 3 23:52:39 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:52:39 -0000 Subject: His Daemonic Masculinity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, I'm slightly late joining this thread ;-) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter on Sat Aug 10, 2002 Queer as John wrote: > Quick question -- does anyone in the books have a > daemon of the same gender as themselves? If not, > perhaps there's an interesting gender-daemonic > musing to be made there. Is the daemon the > suppressed inner opposite gender in us all? --- In HPFGU-OTChatter on Sat Aug 10, 2002 Amy Z replied: > Bernie, the pastry cook of Jordan College, is described as "a kindly, > solitary man, one of those rare people whose daemon was the same sex > as himself" (NL/GC 7). As a friend said when I was explaining > daemons to him and said that there were very few people with a daemon > of the same sex, "about one in ten." It made me laugh, but it seems > far rarer than that because I don't think we ever see anyone else > whose daemon is identified that way. > I don't think Pullman is suggesting that it corresponds to sexual > orientation, but yes, I think the daemon is usually the other gender > because it completes us, and I think Pullman is saying a lot about > the meaning of gender by making most daemons the complement of their > people. I don't know exactly what Jung meant by anima and animus, > but that's one of the ways I think about daemons. So is Bernie out of > balance, or are masculine and feminine sufficiently integrated in him > that his daemon doesn't need to be female? I just found an interview in which Pullman talks about this. Here are the two relevant questions and answers. TB: There was one point about demons which ? you say, I think, right at the beginning of Northern Lights, that somebody's got a demon of the same sex as themselves, and this is very rare. Now, does that indicate homosexuality? Or what? PP: I don't know. There are plenty of things about my worlds I don't know, and that's one of them. It might do! But it might not! Occasionally, no doubt, people do have a demon of the same sex; that might indicate homosexuality, or it might indicate some other sort of gift or quality, such as second sight. I do not know. But I don't have to know everything about what I write. TB: But you can make it up as you go along ! PP: To a certain extent, but then you discover the rules of the world that you're building as you build them, I'm sure you're aware of that. I can't suddenly invent a rule that contradicts all sorts of things that have gone before. Nor do I sit down consciously and work out the rules, draw up the constitution of the world before, as if one were drawing up a constitution of a bowls club or something. It doesn't happen like that. To some extent, it's rather like what happens in mathematics, where you discover things ? for example, the realm of imaginary numbers. Are they invented or are they discovered? As soon as you discover ? as soon as you come across this notion of imaginary numbers, you realise that it is a realm which has its own laws, which has its own things that you can't contradict and which in turn allow you to do other things with the rest of the natural numbers and so on. It's partly like that when you're exploring a world in a book that you're writing. You're sort of discovering it as well as inventing it. So there are other things, no doubt, I haven't yet imagined or thought of about demons. I do find it's a very rich idea, and right at the end of AS, after 1200 or more pages, I was still discovering new things I could do with this human-demon link. In a way, it's the best idea I've ever had. I don't know all of it; so, to answer your question, `maybe, yes, but who knows?' Cheers, Dumbledad. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jun 4 00:05:37 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:05:37 -0000 Subject: Self-Evaluation (was Re: Harry Haters...) In-Reply-To: <20030603142317.31234.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Naama bravely wrote: > > I won't take an > > oath on it, but I think that if I had children, > > I'd let them read > > whatever fell into their hands. Children > > definitely need protection > > in the real world, but I'd prefer to give > > children freedom in the > > realm of imagination. Just my IMO (and I > > reserve the right to a > > complete change of mind when and if I have a > > child. ) > > > Lynn replied: > > May I respectfully say that you probably will > change your mind when you have a child. ;) ...and then change it back again when you have a second or third one. I seem to remember that our firstborn was made of glass, had no resistance to diseases at all, and required intense parental supervision of every action and close guidance of all those far reaching ethical decisions like whether dessert could be eaten when the first course was unfinished. For some strange reason, our third child was made of rubber, could be freely exposed to any conditions of dirt, cold, and wet, and managed to pass his milestones with minimal supervision and guidance. Funny that. David From timregan at microsoft.com Wed Jun 4 00:08:59 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:08:59 -0000 Subject: COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- In "Scott" wrote: > I'm looking to buy a laptop Disclaimer: I work for Microsoft Try a Tablet PC in the store too. I used one for a month or so recently and it was really hard to give back. The handwriting recognition and the feel of writing on glass have improved enormously since similar products a few years back. You can also just leave all your notes as ink and still use `find' to search through them. There's something spooky about doing a search and seeing a word scrawled in your own handwriting highlighted as the search result. The one's with the flip over top are the ones to look at - sometimes (e.g. logon, passwords, etc) a full keyboard is really useful. Theres a lovely "gasp" moment in meetings when you twizzle the screen over on what looks like a normal laptop and then start writing on it. Cheers, Dumbledad. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jun 4 00:17:35 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:17:35 -0000 Subject: COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scott wrote: > I've had an IBM in > the past, and don't think I want another one, and I've got a Gateway > right now. So basically I'm asking should I go for a Mac or stick > with Windows? I've had advice leaning both ways. I'd say, get a Mac because you had a Windows platform last time, and then you'll have a broader basis for making good decisions about computers in the future. That may matter more than getting it exactly right this time round. For a while my previous employer had both Macs *and* PCs running different versions of Windows. Also Suns though I didn't get to use those. The Macs were not all the same, either. Given we were a consultancy and we often had to work on customer sites it was useful training in adaptability and flexibility. Eventually they standardised, of course, because of that Strangelovian passion for order that gradually ossifies all organisations. David From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 01:23:46 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event Message-ID: <20030604012346.29867.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> According to wire reports, there'll be a live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event that day at: www.msn.co.uk/harrypotter Read the AP wire report at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ ap/20030604/ap_en_ce/potter_webcast_1 Read the Reuters wire report at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ nm/20030603/en_nm/arts_potter_dc_2 (You will need to reconstruct the URL's!) Petra: "I want this on VHS/DVD!" a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Jun 4 02:14:02 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:14:02 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event References: <20030604012346.29867.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005d01c32a3e$f7f2a880$439ecdd1@RVotaw> Petra wrote: > According to wire reports, there'll be a > live web feed for the June 26, Royal > Albert Hall event that day at: > > www.msn.co.uk/harrypotter Okay, somebody better record this or come up with a transcript for it. Not only do I have to work (it's the last day of the summer program) but we have a field trip after the regular day since it's the last day, to a minor league baseball game. Which ordinarily I'd be doing cartwheels over, getting paid to see a ball game, but I'll completely miss this event!!! Augh! Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 02:28:02 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <005d01c32a3e$f7f2a880$439ecdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: <20030604022802.97457.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Yours truly: > > According to wire reports, there'll be a > > live web feed for the June 26, Royal > > Albert Hall event that day at: > > > > www.msn.co.uk/harrypotter Richelle: > Okay, somebody better record this or > I'll completely miss this event!!! Augh! Nah...have no fear. The AP wire report (here's that link again) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ ap/20030604/ap_en_ce/potter_webcast_1 says: "The webcast will be archived for seven days after the event so fans can watch it again." You just won't be seeing it live. Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Jun 4 02:35:59 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:35:59 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event References: <20030604022802.97457.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c32a42$1a56a540$439ecdd1@RVotaw> Petra wrote: > Nah...have no fear. The AP wire report > (here's that link again) > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ > ap/20030604/ap_en_ce/potter_webcast_1 > > says: "The webcast will be archived for seven > days after the event so fans can watch it again." > You just won't be seeing it live. Whew. What a relief! (That's what I get for not reading the entire thing!) I'm off that Friday, so I can watch it then. It's not live, but better than nothing. Thanks very much, I feel much better about that! Now I can't help but wonder if any decent questions are going to be asked. I mean, besides the usual ones that are always asked every other place. Also, I can't wait until the 19th, the BBC interview will be broadcast then. Of course, once again I'm not able to see that, but I'm sure it will be put online either as a transcript or a video feed. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 4 02:55:48 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 02:55:48 -0000 Subject: Repeated reading to kids (was:Censoring your kids' reading) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "psychic_serpent" wrote: >> --Barb, who's glad that the kids now repeatedly read things by JK > Rowling, Roald Dahl, Eva Ibbotson, Jane Langton and Laura Ingalls > Wilder My daughter (who will be 7 in August) has listened to my reading of PS/SS, CoS, POA and GoF twice since late last July. She started off being able to listen to only 10-15 pages at a time, but by the second reading of GoF (which we began around Eastern this year) she was able to listen to a lot more at each reading, including one sitting of 65 pages. Now as she finishes 1st grade, she is starting to read out loud to us (no, not HP, just Frog & Toad) -- but it's still thrilling. Maybe in a few years she'll read PS/SS to me. I can assure you that when *I* was six years old, no one would have considered reading a 300 page book to me, much less one that's 734 pages. Only 17 days and a few hours till OotP! Anne U (newly engrossed in Barb's series, about 7 chapters into HP & the Time of Good Intentions:-) From jillily3g at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 03:48:20 2003 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 03:48:20 -0000 Subject: Parental advisories (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: <20030603131851.13474.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Lynn: > > I find the problem with banned book lists is that > they seldom list the reasons why someone thinks > the books should be banned and also seldom > differentiate between an overall ban or an age > specific ban. All the books are lumped together > and then you hear the huge outcry. When a book > list comes out that actually lists reasons people > gave, most of the time you find that parents are > asking that certain books be moved from the > children's section to either the young adult or > adult section due to inappropriate material for > that age group and have not asked that the book > itself be banned from the general population. This was my experience with a book my daughter was supposed to read for her "accelerated" class. I didn't ask that the book be banned, but because I asked for a conference with the teacher regarding the content, the ALA would have considered that I "challenged" the book. As the parent of a 14 year old, I am especially intrigued by the "Young Adult" label. Who exactly is a young adult? And as regards the class, why is it assumed that, because they are "accelerated" readers they are accelerated in their maturity as well? I find it increasingly challenging to walk the line between overprotecting her and not overexposing her to the evils of the world. For example, last year she noticed that _A Child Called It_ was being passed around some of her classmates. She asked me if she could read it, too. (She asked! I was so thrilled.) I did what I do with movies I'm unsure of: I researched it. I told her that from what I understood, it was a pretty graphic depiction of abuse and I really would prefer that she waited until she was older. She wasn't happy, but as far as I know (and that's the sticking point, isn't it), she didn't read it. Was I wrong to "censor" her? I don't think so. She's a very sensitive girl and I think there are things that would haunt her at a time she feels powerless to change them. I don't think that's a lesson she needs right now when there are so many other positive things she could be focusing on. As a side note, my MIL is a former high school English and Latin teacher who proudly wears a banned books t-shirt. I discussed this with her once, knowing she is quite opinionated on the subject. ;) When I compared it to the fact that we don't allow her to watch rated R movies yet (unless we've prescreened them), she understood. I know that I may err on the side of overprotecting from time to time and I know that she may very well sneak a book that I've made seem more attractive by "banning" it, but I hope that we've established a relationship where she understands that I'm trying to feel my way through making decisions in her best interest. That's the best I can do. Beth, who will go back to lurking now From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Wed Jun 4 04:21:08 2003 From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:21:08 EDT Subject: Draco's reaction to the Veela.. Message-ID: <1e1.a499328.2c0ecdb4@aol.com> Kristen posted on the main list: Also, it occurred to me that JKR did not describe Draco's reaction to the Veela at the QWC - or, for that matter, to Fleur. That's too bad as I think it could have been a good comical moment. Me: After reading this I couldn't help but burst out laughing. Mainly because of the image I got in my mind... Draco: *watches the Veela...looking all dreamy eyed and in love* Narcissa: Lucius! Lucius, will you try and controll your son?...Lucius? Lucius: *watches the Veela...looking all dreamy eyed and in love* It would have been a priceless moment...that's for sure. ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From timregan at microsoft.com Wed Jun 4 04:28:41 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:28:41 -0000 Subject: Parental advisories (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- jillily3g (Beth) wrote: > As the parent of a 14 year old, I am especially intrigued by > the "Young Adult" label. Who exactly is a young adult? By a strange piece of synchronicity the Philip Pullman interview I quoted earlier, on a different thread, touches on this. The interview is at and I'll quote it here. His comments on the "Young Adult" label come at the end. (TB = the interviewer, PP = Philip Pullman, and the interview took place in Oxford so here = UK) TB: The one of your books that's received most strong comment for its content is The White Mercedes, recently republished as The Butterfly Tattoo. PP: Yes, annoyingly. I wish they hadn't done that. TB: Why did they do that? PP: The idea was, it was originally called The White Mercedes, a story about teenage love, basically; it's a tragedy. When Macmillan republished it they said that the marketing people if you have a story with the name of a car in the title, girls won't read it. I merely report that! I goggled and said `what nonsense' and they said `well, can we think of another title?' I wasn't particularly keen on the title The White Mercedes in the first place, but they told me it would help sell lots more copies if we called it The Butterfly Tattoo. Being unmotivated by anything but the highest motives I thought `jolly good, more money!' so I agreed to it. But in fact it hasn't done as well as it did when it was called The White Mercedes, so I think they were wrong. .. Your question wasn't about the title, though, was it? It was about the content. TB: It's actually quite a graphic and unsettling tale of teenage love. PP: Yes. Not as graphic in this country as it was in the States. TB: Oh really? PP: It was ? I won't say `censored' in this country, but they suggested I tone down the sex scene a bit in this country. So I did, because the story didn't entirely depend on the graphic qualities of the sex scene. But they didn't suggest that in the States. In the States, you see, they have this category called `Young Adult', and `young adult' books can be full of sex, violence, rude language ? whatever you like. If they're called `teenage' books or `children's' books they have to be very much more fussy about it, but because it was marketed as young adult I could be as rude as I liked. Cheers, Dumbledad. From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 04:49:21 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:49:21 -0000 Subject: Taking a break while everyone's asleep... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > Hearty congratulations, Heidi! > > Boy, just thinking about kissing those buttery cheeks and stroking > that silky newborn hair makes me long for just one more . . . > > Enjoy the little tyke! > > Cindy -- who loves to touch the little curled toes of newborns Oooo!!! Baby feet! Yes, Baby feet are my favorite too! They always look like there's just too much flesh to squeeze into that skin! Anyhow, Congratulations Heidi and family! Two boys! Oh boy! Here's to lot's of cars, and trucks, and running and jumping and laughing and giggling, and boys absolutely ADORING their mother! (I have two of my own, with a girl stuck in the middle). Best wishes! Anna . . . From binx04 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 06:04:25 2003 From: binx04 at yahoo.com (Binx) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Censoring your kids' reading (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030604060425.91027.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> --- jenny_ravenclaw wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, > My kids will be allowed to read whatever they want, > too... if/when I > have them. > > --jenny from ravenclaw Binx: As children, my mother strongly discouraged my brothers, sister and me from reading any science-fiction or fantasy novels. Classics like Little Women or The Secret Garden were acceptable reading choices, as were verified school assignments (no sneaking in a borrowed copy of The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe and innocently trying to pass it off as our required reading for the term). I suppose her reasoning for this rule had to do with her opinion that if one couldnt discuss ones reading in polite conversation say at a dinner party then it had no business entertaining ones thoughts at all. This was just another of the many rules that governed our house, along with edicts such as: never follow a red cap down a darkened alleyway filled with potholes, and never accept unsolicited directions from a grindylow when detouring through the bog. Nevertheless, my mother encouraged us all in our creativity. I believe she simply wanted us children to have a sufficient grasp of reality before delving into the realm of fantasy. There were also rumors making the rounds concerning several certain known troublemakers in the neighborhood said to be involved in some suspicious Dungeons & Dragons role-playing which our parents were adamantly set against our participation and that may have had something to do with it as well. In any case, because I never read any fantasy books as a child, I consequently had no desire to begin as I matured. Yet still, I could not help but feel like I was missing out on something. My entire attitude toward books in the fantasy genre changed, of course, when I happened to come in contact with a younger girl in our office who would positively go on and on at length about Harry Potter. She suggested to everyone she would meet that they too should read these stories about witches and wizards and broomsticks and the like. At the time, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire had just come out in print, and the television news would constantly show seemingly endless lines of people waiting anxiously to purchase their own copy of the book. I naturally could not fathom what all the fuss was about. As far as I was concerned, this Harry Potter business was merely a fad and would soon pass into obscurity never to catch on in the same way as Star Wars or the Indiana Jones adventures. Still, I couldnt help but wonder if I wasnt being left out of some of the conversations I would begin to drop in on. I found that my friends and colleagues would animatedly discuss a particular passage from one of the Harry Potter novels they would read together. To me, it seemed like so much fun watching them from a distance, of course as they would carry on with: do you remember when Professor so-and-so did this? or How about when Hermione said that? who were all these characters? I wondered. Where were all these magical places they kept referring to? I soon found that curiosity had gotten the better of me. One day at the bookstore as I was perusing the book stacks in search of a new cookbook I happened on to a display of Harry Potter books in paperback. The first thee novels quickly found their way into my bag, and before I knew it I was sitting in my favorite easy chair at home eagerly turning the pages of the Sorcerers Stone. I was hooked by chapter three! Once I had finished the first three books, I had to practice all the self-control I possessed to wait until the Goblet of Fire was published in paperback (I wanted all my books to match, you see). However, now that Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is now coming out in print, I can no longer exercise that kind of control. I drove four hours round trip just to place my order for a copy. I love the books so much now that I want to share this wonderful new world with everyone I know. I began with my younger sister who still had the same strict reading prejudices as our mother. As I would try and try to tell her about the fantastic characters in the Harry Potter books to no avail. She would pause momentarily from her reading in Lord of the Rings; look at me and with an air of superiority and reply, I dont want to have anything to do with those Harry Potter books. What, do I look like some kind of freak to you? all spoken, of course, in perfect Elvish. It was only after much trial and discussion that I was able to convince her that I would read Lord of the Rings if she would read the Sorcerers Stone. It ended up being and easy deal to strike, because once she had immersed herself in Harry Potters world she reacted just as I have and cannot get enough of Harry and Hogwarts and the whole marvelous experience! Yeh can keep Frodo n is ruddy lot, she told me. Im off te Hogwarts to be ead gamekeeper fer the wee wizards n such. Blimey! Is that th time? Beaky ill be needin is afternoon feedin! Binx __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 06:09:00 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 06:09:00 -0000 Subject: Parental advisories - 5 Stars to You In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jillily3g" wrote: > > ...edited... > > I find it increasingly challenging to walk the line between > overprotecting her and not overexposing her to the evils of the > world. For example, last year she noticed that _A Child Called It_ > was being passed around some of her classmates. She asked me if she > could read it, too. (She asked! I was so thrilled.) I did what I do > with movies I'm unsure of: I researched it. I told her that from > what I understood, it was a pretty graphic depiction of abuse and I > really would prefer that she waited until she was older. She wasn't > happy, but as far as I know (and that's the sticking point, isn't > it), she didn't read it. > > Was I wrong to "censor" her? ...edited... > > Beth, bboy_mn: First, let me retitle this post 'Lessons in Good Parenting'. You asked, "Was I wrong to 'censor' her?". You didn't, you did what any good parent should have and would have done. Instead of censoring her, you gave her guidance. Let's go step by step. 1.) She asked! WOO-HOO! That tells me you've been doing something right the whole time. I'm guessing you give your kids a great deal of freedom, but make it clear that there are boundaries and limits to this freedom. It's the second part that most parents fail at. They give the kids a great deal of freedom, but never set any reasonable boundaries. Usually, under the belief that kids will gravitate toward anything they. the parents, forbid, and rebel against any restriction. But if you never set limits, or clearly state your values, how are kids ever going to know. If you (meaning parents in general) state your values and limites, and your reasons then at least your kids have that guideline. In the end, they will make their own decision, but at least you've given them a reference point. So without a doubt, you are doing something right. 2.) You researched it. No decision better than an informed decision. 3.) You explained it. You didn't just say NO, you did your research, found things that were objectionable, sat your kid down and explained why you felt this wasn't appropriate. You had sound locigal reasons and you explained them. 4.) You didn't tell her what she HAD to do, you told her what you WANTED her to do, then left the decision to her. It's amazing how clear values, a clear reasonable explaination, an sign of trust, and a statement of your desire will lead kids into making the right decision. Isn't that how it's suppose to work? ***** 5 stars to you for excellence in parenting. bboy_mn From the.gremlin at verizon.net Wed Jun 4 07:13:15 2003 From: the.gremlin at verizon.net (the.gremlin at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 2:13:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations Message-ID: <20030604071315.LCEC4805.out003.verizon.net@out003> Scott: "So basically I'm asking should I go for a Mac or stick with Windows? I've had advice leaning both ways. So if any of you have macs and love (or hate) them, let me know. Any Dell Stories would be welcome too!" I've always had a PC, but I've used Macs before, both at school and at work. I've had more trouble with a Mac then a PC, but that may be because I'm more familiar with a PC. The Macs I've worked with tend to have problems with memory. If you run too many programs at the same time, the computer crashes. At work, we have to have the tech guy come in at least once a month to fix a Mac. They are also bad for gaming, because they can't take all the video and stuff that comes along with games. I don't suggest a Compaq. Everyone I know who has a Compaq has a problem with them. I have a Sony Vaio with Windows XP Home in it, and it works pretty good, but my father and I have had problems with upgrading it to XP Pro. A friend of mine has a Dell desktop, and she has no trouble with it. I'm not sure about a Dell laptop, though. When you do get a laptop, if you're in the States, I would suggest Best Buy, because you can get an extended warranty. If the laptop breaks down (and it most likely will), you can take it back to the store and they'll fix it for free. The warranty it comes with originally doesn't last long enough. I'm learning that the hard way. -Acire, who is attempting to learn more about computers, because there is usually no one around to fix hers for her. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From illyana at mindspring.com Wed Jun 4 07:32:53 2003 From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:32:53 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations In-Reply-To: <20030604071315.LCEC4805.out003.verizon.net@out003> Message-ID: On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 12:13 , wrote: > I've always had a PC, but I've used Macs before, both at school and at > work. I've had more trouble with a Mac then a PC, but that may be > because I'm more familiar with a PC. The Macs I've worked with tend to > have problems with memory. If you run too many programs at the same > time, the computer crashes. That was a big problem with the older Mac OSes - I am assuming that the Macs you're using are running OS9 or earler. The new Mac OS, which comes on every new Mac, does not have that kind of problem. As long as he buys a new Mac, he'll be okay. If he buys a used Mac that cannot handle the Unix-based OS, then he will definitely have that problem. Old Mac OSes are awful! > When you do get a laptop, if you're in the States, I would suggest > Best Buy, because you can get an extended warranty. If the laptop > breaks down (and it most likely will), you can take it back to the > store and they'll fix it for free. The warranty it comes with > originally doesn't last long enough. I'm learning that the hard way. > I totally agree! Best Buy has one of the best warranty policies I have ever dealt with, and I would definitely buy a computer there if I were to buy a PC. Never, ever buy a computer at CompUSA, I beg you (all of you)!! Their warranties are extremely overpriced and they'll give you the run-around when your computer gets messed-up. I mentioned before that I have a friend who owned a Sony VAIO - he bought it at CompUSA with their warranty, and he had the same problem with the PC/MCIA port four times. They told him that they would not even think of replacing his machine until the manufacturer's one-year warranty ran out and, once it did, they said that the computer would have to have the same problem three times (which it already had) before they would replace it under their warranty. Basically, they did not want to give him a new machine, and would rather replace the same part over-and-over again. Then, something new went wrong and the part they needed to fix the machine was no longer available - they finally had to give him a new computer. Anyway, don't buy anything from them. If you are going to buy a Mac, I suggest you go straight through them. Unfortunately, Best Buy does not, at this time, sell Macs (although a friend of mine who works there says they may start selling them soon), so you'll have no luck there. If you order a Mac directly through Apple, you can get a student discount (I think it's something like 5% off), which is decent. And I definitely suggest buying their extended warranty, in case something does go wrong. Well, I suggest buying an extended warranty no matter what kind of computer you buy - it's just a good idea. illyana, who apologizes for the long post! HPGCv1 a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr Wed Jun 4 09:59:31 2003 From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 09:59:31 -0000 Subject: COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Scott, Instead of telling you what I think is best, as I don't know Windows XP enough to give and sound opinion, I will simply tell you that I own an iBook since January with Mac OS X and Debian Linux on it. I am very satisfied with it : in 6 months of extensive use-including daily hard computations (as I am a mathematician and use my computer professionally) I had to reboot it only once and suffered no data loss of any kind. One comment on software, if you intend to study science, I would strongly suggest Mac OS X or Linux (or anything UNIX based) as your operating system as it is much more compliant with the standard tools used than Windows. In fact, in my area, Windows has almost disappeared. However, I think the reverse is true in marketing and some branch of economics. Good luck Olivier From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 10:42:06 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 03:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Self-Evaluation (was Re: Harry Haters...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030604104206.89924.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> --- David wrote: > I seem to remember that our firstborn was made > of glass, had no > resistance to diseases at all, and required > intense parental > supervision of every action and close guidance > of all those far > reaching ethical decisions like whether dessert > could be eaten when > the first course was unfinished. > > For some strange reason, our third child was > made of rubber, could > be freely exposed to any conditions of dirt, > cold, and wet, and > managed to pass his milestones with minimal > supervision and guidance. > > Funny that. Lynn: It is funny how that happens. I've heard that from lots of people. We only have one and can only have one so while I can't definitively say how we'd treat a second or third, I don't think it would be much different as we seem to have been treating our first as you've been treating your third. LOL I was 40 and hubby was 45 when our daughter was born so we probably have been a bit more laid back on a variety of subjects. Other than basic baby-proofing, we're of the school that you eat a peck of dirt before you die so she might as well start now. We've been accused of being both overprotective and underprotective so I figure we must be just about right. ;) That said, I also think our age may have something to do with our position on censoring. We've seen the range of what is out there, we've seen and heard how it's affected our friends' kids. We've had the opportunity to see what has and hasn't worked for them and been able to draw from their experience to chart our parental path. For us, there will come a time when we open up the home library but we want to make sure of her maturity level before we do that. We want to make sure she knows that if there is something in the books that disturbs or puzzles her, she can and should come talk to us about it so we can go through it together. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From hp at plum.cream.org Wed Jun 4 11:57:48 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:57:48 +0100 Subject: Looking for British HP "eccentrics" Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030604125027.009893a0@plum.cream.org> I've just had an email followed by a phone call from a journalist (I use the term lightly) :-) from the Sun newspaper. He is doing a story for the runup to 21st June on British adult HP fans who have gone that one step further and built HP sets, costumes etc. for themselves or their children, or organised any elaborate HP events. Having explained that I've done nothing like that, I promised that I'd put out a call. So if you think you qualify, please contact him directly: sue.evison at the-sun.co.uk or 07880 505564 (NB, he's looking for Brits only) -- GulPlum AKA Richard, back to work From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jun 4 11:59:06 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:59:06 -0000 Subject: Looking for British HP "eccentrics" In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030604125027.009893a0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Richard wrote: > I've just had an email followed by a phone call from a journalist (I use > the term lightly) :-) from the Sun newspaper. As a matter of interest, how did he find you? Do we all need to go into hiding on this side of the Atlantic? David, who thinks the Sun does some good journalism From hp at plum.cream.org Wed Jun 4 12:30:33 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:30:33 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Looking for British HP "eccentrics" In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20030604125027.009893a0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030604132055.009a5930@plum.cream.org> At 12:59 04/06/03 , David wrote: >Richard wrote: > > I've just had an email followed by a phone call from a journalist > > (I use the term lightly) :-) from the Sun newspaper. > >As a matter of interest, how did he find you? Do we all need to go >into hiding on this side of the Atlantic? The usual "friend of a friend" routine (the two steps were identified and verified by me). He was quite friendly although I got the impression that the main thrust of his piece is to take the mickey out of whoever agrees to sell their story (I'm reminded of the story a while back of the guy who spent a fortune designing the interior of his home as a replica of the Starship Enterprise and has since been the butt of jokes on more than one occasion). He used the phrase "Great British eccentric" at least twice. (BTW he's not going to embarrass anyone for nothing, if you get my drift...). >David, who thinks the Sun does some good journalism Once in a while, yes. But on the whole, whenever I've seen a copy, it's not exactly written to the highest standards (there's a reason why sentences in the Sun rarely have more than six words of no more than two syllables each...). From catherinemck at hotmail.com Wed Jun 4 12:27:58 2003 From: catherinemck at hotmail.com (catherinemckiernan) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:27:58 -0000 Subject: Self-Evaluation (was Re: Harry Haters...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "naamagatus" wrote: > On a different note. I have to say that as a person who doesn't have > children, but who remembers her own childhood very well, the thought > of parents censoring their children's reading raises my hackles a > bit. I would have hated my parents to do that to me. I won't take an > oath on it, but I think that if I had children, I'd let them read > whatever fell into their hands. Children definitely need protection > in the real world, but I'd prefer to give children freedom in the > realm of imagination. Just my IMO (and I reserve the right to a > complete change of mind when and if I have a child. ) > > > Naama, who survived with soul intact a short enthusiasm for Ayn Rand > at 13 Likewise haven?t got children, so this is theoretical, but we have to have the theory behind the potential practice, so? In terms of banned book lists, I would want nothing to do with them. I would worry about the system of categorisation, eg. are the listers politically motivated, or what I would consider politicaly motivated. In terms of an individual parent making a choice its obviously more personal. I hope I would let my kids read anything they wanted, but probably keep some stuff on a higher shelf in the study! My parents never censored my reading at all, and I got anything I wanted from the library (I recall one delightful book that contained articles on Spontaneous Human Combustion and the exact physical effects on the human body of radiation overdose). Never did me any harm, though I still tend to slap my leg if it suddenly itches in order to cut off the oxygen and prevent SHC (you think I?m joking?). I think they were of the opinion that if I was old enough to be interested in reading it I was old enough to cope. I read 1984 at 10 (it was mentioned in a children?s book), and tho? the sex and politics passed me by, I understood absolutely what O?Brien?s betrayal meant to Winston Smith. Now I daren?t read it again in case understanding the sex and politics spoils this marvellous book about friendship and betrayal! However I did practise a certain discretion in my reading, and didn?t let my parents know everything, but only because they would have mercilessly mocked my Malory Towers/Chalet School prediliction. Self-evaluation would have thrown out the Tasteless Joke book. I think they took the right decision, because short of checking every book I read (and that would be 10 a week), they could only trust me to make the right decision, hopefully guided by their value-systems impressed upon me by practical example and discussion. Had they not trusted me, my Slytherin side would certainly have got the books anyway, but then not been able to ask about anything had it troubled me, which would have been much more of a problem. I was never harmed by Philip Roth?s The Breast, I just thought the narrator astonishingly weird. On the other hand, I still have a slight ?thing? about lichen due to reading a children?s horror story from the school library, that was recommended for 10 and up when I was 12. Parental restriciion would not have stopped that one. Unless a child has obvious fears (eg. spiders) how do you know what will scare/trouble her? Notwithstanding the above, television viewing was censored, on grounds of taste, morals and art. I wasn?t allowed to watch Pretty Woman until I reached its Certificate age of 15 because it glamourised prostitution (the only other girl in the class who hadn?t seen it was one of the Plymouth Brethren), but my little sister watched The Crying Game at 12 (artistic and interesting film which took its difficult subjects seriously). Shamelessly, following my parents, I would censor TV on the grounds that a) they should get out and play in the garden b) use their imagination and c) TV is so much more ?in your face? than a book. If a kid isn?t ready for something in a book, she can skate over it. On TV it is there in all its visceral glory. Sometimes this is good ? my sisters and I adored the Danish Babette?s Feast (ostensibly about cooking, really about art, life, grace and duty) from a very young age, when the book would have been inaccessible due to interest and style. But think of Aberforth?s goat and compare Dumbledore?s sly comment to a potential film portrayal in flashback! The book is like a really good pantomime, where some of the jokes might fly over the heads of the young audience without distracting them, but slay the adults (if anyone?s been to York Theatre Royal they know what I mean). I?ll stop now! End of lunch, back to work?. Catherine McK From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jun 4 12:46:30 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:46:30 -0000 Subject: Writing standards (was Looking for British HP "eccentrics") In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030604132055.009a5930@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Richard wrote (about The Sun): > But on the whole, whenever I've seen a copy, it's not > exactly written to the highest standards (there's a reason why sentences in > the Sun rarely have more than six words of no more than two syllables each...). This isn't strictly journalism, but one thing I admire about The Sun is its ability to convey what it wants using short words in short sentences. It's a rare and difficult art, and requires discipline to bring off daily to deadlines. In that regard being a sub-editor on the Sun is far more demanding IMO than it is on a broadsheet. David, who thinks Babette's Feast is an easy read (as is nearly all of Karen Blixen's work) From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 15:30:36 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:30:36 -0000 Subject: Censoring your kids' reading (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: <20030604060425.91027.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Binx wrote: > As children, my mother strongly discouraged my > brothers, sister and me from reading any > science-fiction or fantasy novels. Classics like > Little Women or The Secret Garden were acceptable > reading choices, as were verified school assignments > (no sneaking in a borrowed copy of The Lion, The Witch > and The Wardrobe and innocently trying to pass it off > as our required reading for the term). I suppose her > reasoning for this rule had to do with her opinion > that if one couldn't discuss one's reading in polite > conversation ? say at a dinner party ? then it had no > business entertaining one's thoughts at all. And just why couldn't science fiction (SF) or fantasy be discussed in 'polite conversation?' My father-in-law is an SF writer, and my husband grew up in a milieu of people who regularly invaded his house (all right, they were actually invited on the first Friday of every month ) to spend long hours discussing how technology is going to change our lives in the future, or how a world in which the South had won the civil war, with the help of England, would be vastly different from the one we know. >From a very early age, my husband was exposed to very stimulating debates about science, history, anthropology, psychology, sociology, music art and literature through these discussions of the works his father and his colleagues were reading and writing (although I found, when I joined this family, that the discussions really ranged all over the place and were rarely confined to discussing SF and fantasy). Some of my father-in-law's works in particular seem especially prescient now; the out-of-print "Barons of Behavior" addresses the issue of people being controlled by the government through various drugs, designed to achieve an optimum social structure. (This work is actually cited in a paper from the FDA.) Some of the most incisive social commentary of the last century has been in the pages of science fiction and fantasy novels, such as by Ray Bradbury, Isaac Asimov, Ursula K. Le Guin, Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. and William Gibson. As we know from the social commentary JKR skillfully and unobtrusively includes in her work, it is possible to address a vast number of issues in the context of science fiction and fantasy without the debate becoming mind-numbingly pedagogical, as I've seen in some mainstream fiction. And would your mother have forbidden you to read a classic like Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein," often called the first work of science fiction? Shelley explores some fascinating themes of the role of the creator, usurping the prerogatives of the gods, and inner demons that humans must battle throughout their lives. Some books also start off not seeming like fantasy, like Toni Morrison's award-winning "Beloved," or Colleen McCullough's "The Ladies of Missalonghi," but after a while you find out otherwise. What about something like Milton's "Paradise Lost" or Homer's "Iliad?" I would frankly call anything that had a basis in mythology or folklore to be fantasy, and that includes a great many 'classics.' > Nevertheless, my mother encouraged us all in our > creativity. I believe she simply wanted us children to > have a sufficient grasp of reality before delving into > the realm of fantasy. There were also rumors making > the rounds concerning several certain known > troublemakers in the neighborhood said to be involved > in some "suspicious" Dungeons & Dragons role-playing > which our parents were adamantly set against our > participation and that may have had something to do > with it as well. We have reality all around us all the time. Reading a mix of books will expose a maturing mind to a world of possibilities. Humans have always entertained each other with tales of the fanastic. In pre-literate times, traveling bards embellished their stories more and more with each telling. Stories about 'real' people didn't really come along until the Decameron, during the Renaissance. It was considered a great scandal for a work of literature to be about 'ordinary' people, rather than gods and goddesses and heroes, kings and queens and other larger-than-life figures. When Mark Twain put Southern vernacular down on paper--especially black Southern vernacular coming out of a white character's mouth--it was a very big deal. Honest representations of how people spoke and behaved were the exception in world literature for a very long time, not the rule. I knew a small group of students in college who were admittedly a bit strange about their D & D addition. It was virtually impossible to hold a conversation with any of these four people that did not delve into the realm of how powerful a mage they were or whether they had the proper weapon or number of points to survive a certain encounter with one of the other characters. I found this tedious, frankly, and everyone else I knew who knew them found them to be exeedingly strange. They occasionally actually attended lectures, but they largely seemed to have enrolled in a university to engage in this activity full time. They didn't actually seem to be getting anything OUT of it, except for escape from their lives. I could have long, interesting conversations with the SF and fantasy writers at my then-boyfriend's parents' house; I couldn't exchange more than a few words at a time with the D & D addicts. ("Wanna go to the food trucks?" was about it.) There is a vast difference between being a reader of SF and fantasy and being a D & D addict, even though there is admittedly some overlap in the groups. > In any case, because I never read any fantasy books as > a child, I consequently had no desire to begin as I > matured. Yet still, I could not help but feel like I > was missing out on something. I'm feeling so sad now! Reading fantasy books while I was growing up gave me so many hours of pleasure, and my kids are enjoying this now, too. It's never too late to discover this world, but it's too bad it was kept from you when you were a kid. I hate to think of my daughter never having read "The Diamond in the Window," "The Witch Family," or "Matilda." My son has been enthralled by "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," and the sequel, as well as all of the "Indian in the Cupboard," books, among many others. They both love HP too, of course. Kids will grow up and have to live in the real world soon enough, with job worries, paying the rent and so on. Let them indulge in reading about fantastic worlds when they're kids; the "real" world will make off with them soon enough. --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 17:29:07 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030604012346.29867.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030604172907.30710.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone know what time this is starting in the UK ? Oh and BTW, I've been lurking on here since the list's inception. I'm just poking my nose out in time for the new book....! Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 17:33:04 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:33:04 -0000 Subject: COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote: > I'm looking to buy a laptop because I'll be a freshman in college in > the fall, ... > > My school suggest that I buy one through their store which means > deciding between an IBM, a Dell, and an Apple. ... So basically I'm > asking should I go for a Mac or stick with Windows? I've had advice > leaning both ways. > > ...edited... > > Thanks... > > Thanks in advance! > > Grazie! > Scott >From the last two issues of 'Computer Shopper' magazine - Rating 8.5 .... Acer TravelMate 803LCi (Editor's Choice) 8.4 .... IBM ThinkPad T40 (E.C.) 8.0 .... Fujitsu LifeBook S Series (E.C.) 8.1 .... Dell Latitude D600 (only 4hr battery life) 7.5 .... IBM ThinkPad R40 There are several sites on the internet that will compare and review Laptops & Notebooks. The best place is to go to ZDNET.com which is the gateway to all the Ziff-Davis Publishing computer magazines. Another good on-line source of reviews and best price information is CNET.com. As far as, Mac vs PC, I've alway thought the Mac was generally a better computer and operating system, but they are also more expensive and are a closed system; you are very limited in your upgrade abilities. Although the 'closed system' aspect applies more to desktop computers. On the other hand, like it or not, we live in a Windows PC world. This computer format dominates the world of desktop and laptop computing, and accounts for more than 80% or possible 90% of the computers out their. If you have a basic set of common software that you plan to use for standard applications, or your computing needs lean more toward desktop publishing, which Mac seems to dominate, then go with Mac. But if you need a wide selection of software, or you tend to 'play' on your computer, or you need to interchange data with other people, then you should go with a PC. [Re: File interchange- while some native file formats may not be compatable between Mac and PC, there are Standard file formats that allow interchange of data between virtually all computers.] Despite Windows drawbacks, and my general dislike for Microsoft, I usually recommend that people go with a PC. They are less expensive, both software and hardware, and do represent the defacto standard in computing worldwide. If you like Macs and they serve your needs and you can afford one then certainly consider it. But lacking any special desire for a Mac, I say go with a PC. Just a thought. bboy_mn From boggles at earthlink.net Wed Jun 4 18:25:17 2003 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:25:17 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Censoring your kids' reading (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:30 PM +0000 6/4/03, psychic_serpent wrote: > >There is a vast difference between >being a reader of SF and fantasy and being a D & D addict, even >though there is admittedly some overlap in the groups. There's also a difference between being an addict and a munchkin, which is sounds like these kids were, and being a gamer. Most of us would rather have long in-character discussions on philosophy or tactics than do the pointmunching you describe here . . . -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles(at)earthlink.net "It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. " - Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808. From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 19:49:01 2003 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:49:01 -0000 Subject: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030604172907.30710.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Michelle wrote: > Does anyone know what time this is starting in the UK ? Now me: The Leaky Cauldron has this link to info on this event: http://www.msn.co.uk/liveevents/harrypotter/Default.asp?Ath=f The site indicates the event will start at 4pm on June 26th in the UK and Leaky says it will start at 12pm EDT in the US. ~Phyllis who will be on vacation and without access to a computer on the 26th, and was glad to see that it will be archived for seven days afterwards From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 20:09:07 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030604200907.71082.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> --- Phyllis wrote: http://www.msn.co.uk/liveevents/harrypotter/Default.asp?Ath=f > > The site indicates the event will start at 4pm > on June 26th in the UK > and Leaky says it will start at 12pm EDT in the > US. Lynn: Well, darn it, seven days doesn't do me any good at all. Our computer will be packed up by the 26th and it won't arrive at our new home until after the 7 days are up. Well, I'm sure all of you who see it will be sure to fill in those of us who can't. *sigh* Lynn (who really thinks it stinks that the launch of OoP wasn't taken into account when the powers that be determined when we would move) ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 20:23:52 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Parental advisories (was Self-Evaluation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030604202352.73874.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Beth wrote: > As the parent of a 14 year old, I am especially > intrigued by > the "Young Adult" label. Who exactly is a young > adult? And as > regards the class, why is it assumed that, > because they > are "accelerated" readers they are accelerated > in their maturity as > well? Lynn: I've also wondered about that. I've assumed that it meant those books were aimed at the 15-19 year old crowd. However, some may assume that it means any teenager and so it would be deemed appropriate for a 14 year old. --- Beth wrote: > Was I wrong to "censor" her? I don't think so. Lynn: Personally, I think you handled that quite well. I think most kids appreciate a particular stance when specific reasoning is explained to them. I'm sure if your daughter had a great objection to it, she would have discussed it with you further. After all, she came to you to ask if she could read it rather than just reading it so she knows that you have based past decisions on sound reasoning with her well-being in mind. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 21:27:28 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030604212728.20267.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for that !!! Will be there with bells on !! Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From trinity61us at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 21:45:09 2003 From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030604212728.20267.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030604214509.11851.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com> I seem to have missed any posts telling how to get to the live feed! I have never done this before, so i haven't a clue! I went to he leaky cauldron site and found info, but no instructions. Can someone please tell me what to do? Where to go to find it? Thanks! Alex Fox Pinguthegreek wrote: Thanks for that !!! Will be there with bells on !! Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 21:55:35 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030604215535.35082.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Phyllis: > The Leaky Cauldron has this > link to info on this event: > > http://www.msn.co.uk/liveevents/ > harrypotter/Default.asp?Ath=f > > The site indicates the event will > start at 4pm on June 26th in the UK > and Leaky says it will start at > 12pm EDT in the US. Hmm...all of the time converters that I checked says that 4 pm on June 26 in London = 11 am on June 26 in eastern daylight-savings time. How can the feed be 'live' if it starts an hour later? I noticed this when I first posted about this: the two wire services had different times down. AP: "The Web cast, which is free, begins at noon EDT." Reuters: "...MSN is arranging a live Internet feed of the event at www.msn.co.uk/harrypotter from 11 a.m. EDT on the day." They can't both be right about this... Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 21:57:05 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030604215535.35082.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030604215705.65539.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Well, how do we know that whoever wrote the reports have their facts right ? Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Jun 5 00:07:03 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:07:03 -0000 Subject: Corked Bats Message-ID: Hi, all, I'm not much of a baseball fan, but I did hear about Sammy Sosa's woes. Apparently, he used a corked bat during a game, which is a no- no. They inspected his 70+ other bats (why does a pro player need that many bats, anyway?), and only this one bat was corked. He claims that he uses the corked bat for practice, and he used it in the game by accident. Could this possibly be true? I mean, if you have one bat that will get you suspended, wouldn't your write all over it, "Sammy, whatever you do, don't use this bat by accident!" And wouldn't practicing with a corked bat screw up your timing anyway? What can I say? I love a good scandal! ;-) Cindy From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 00:25:18 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reminder: Hotel Reservations Message-ID: <20030605002518.75689.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, again, from Nimbus - 2003! We just want to remind everyone quickly that our rate at the Swan will no longer be guaranteed after June 16, 2003. If you've been waiting to make your reservations, or you're still looking for a roommate, now's the time to make your arrangements! You can reserve your room here: http://www.hp2003.org/nimbustravel.html by clicking on the "Hotel Reservation" button. Also, we know some of you have been patiently waiting to see if we could arrange any group rates or special discounts for airfare, especially overseas. We're very sorry, but we're simply unable to convince individual airlines to offer any breaks. 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Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From timregan at microsoft.com Thu Jun 5 05:10:09 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:10:09 -0000 Subject: Artemis Fowl - is it good? Message-ID: Hi All, Is Artemis Fowl any good? Are the audio versions good? How come the cassette version is on two casettes for 5-8 year olds while the CD is 3 CDs for 5-12 year olds, and the book is 5-16? Why are there Puffin versions of the audio read by the author, and Cover to Cover versions read by Nathaniel Parker, both in the UK? Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Cheers, Dumbledad (aka confused of Issaquah). From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 05:53:13 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:53:13 -0000 Subject: Artemis Fowl - is it good? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Hi All, > > Is Artemis Fowl any good? ...edited... > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad (aka confused of Issaquah). bboy_mn: If you go to Amazon.com, you can read 8 pages of the book. I read them and it was a pretty intriquing. It was the scene where Artimus and his bodyguard are in Saigon, Vietnam to meet a man who will take them to see a real elf. You know of course that Atimus is a 12 year old criminal mastermind. bboy_mn From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 05:56:50 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:56:50 -0000 Subject: Corked Bats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > Hi, all, > > Sammy Sosa's used a corked bat during a game, which is a no- > no. ...edited... > > Cindy bboy_mn: So what is a 'corked' bat and why is it illegal? What's the advantage that it gives you? I would think it would be like tennis, you can use any racket you want. It would seem that every advantage comes with equal disadvantages, and in the end it would just get down to personal preferrence. So... Corked Bats??? bboy_mn From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 5 07:15:21 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Artemis Fowl - is it good? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030605071521.90961.qmail@web21408.mail.yahoo.com> I think it's incredibly funny. I loved it ! Michelle ( But I would reccomend it for 8 - 10 years +) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 08:38:52 2003 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:38:52 -0000 Subject: Corked Bats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > So what is a 'corked' bat and why is it illegal? What's the advantage > that it gives you? > > I would think it would be like tennis, you can use any racket you want. > > It would seem that every advantage comes with equal disadvantages, and > in the end it would just get down to personal preferrence. > > So... Corked Bats??? > > bboy_mn There are different rules for tennis and for major league baseball. The composition and dimensions of baseball bats are strictly defined and limited. A corked bat is lighter at the end and allows for a greater speed during a swing, making it possible to drive a baseball farther, thereby conferring an unfair advantage over a lawful bat. Haggridd From hp at plum.cream.org Thu Jun 5 11:13:58 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:13:58 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Artemis Fowl - is it good? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030605113326.0096dde0@plum.cream.org> At 06:10 05/06/03 , Tim Regan wrote: >Hi All, > >Is Artemis Fowl any good? Are the audio versions good? How come the >cassette version is on two casettes for 5-8 year olds while the CD >is 3 CDs for 5-12 year olds, and the book is 5-16? Why are there >Puffin versions of the audio read by the author, and Cover to Cover >versions read by Nathaniel Parker, both in the UK? I can't comment on the quality of the audio versions, but as for their reading length, the shorter children's version is abridged. On age acceptability, I'd squarely put the books in a "sub-HP&PS" bracket. Each book has at least one grisly scene in it (e.g. losing a finger or a leg) but the descriptions are far from graphic. The books are a *very* easy read. I consider myself to be a low average in terms of reading speed, and the first two Fowl books took me less than a couple of hours each (I've not actually bought them; I've been able to read them standing among the shelves in bookshops). I read half of the third one yesterday and shall be completing it later today. :-) In terms of the content, the books shouldn't really be called Artemis Fowl, but Holly Short, the fairy police officer who gets Artemis out of trouble. Although the text (and blurb) repeatedly calls Artemis a "criminal mastermind", it's not really borne out by his actions. He is undoubtedly a genius, however (among other things, he writes articles on physics and psychology which are published on the internet under pseudonyms). :-) However, he's not really anywhere nearly as nasty as he thinks he is; his actions frequently undermine Colfer's descriptions. The books' plots are very linear and aren't very taxing, and there's none of the complexity of characterisation seen in the Potterverse. Colfer is very imaginative with the way his magical world works though. The People (i.e. magic folk) live underground in the Lower Elements and are very, very technological (Artemis purloins various items of fairy technology to his advantage). There are clever word plays reminiscent of Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams, such as what we know as Leprechauns are in fact LEP Recons - Lower Element Police Reconnaissance officers. Holly needs a nifty piece of technology to be able to fly, etc. Stonehenge is the remains of a Lower Elements pizza parlour. Holly's boss likes to say "my first name is trouble". The thing is, his first name *is* Trouble! There are tons of little details like those, all of which make me smile. I also particularly like Colfer's version of Goblins, which are about as far away from JKR's as you can get! The stories aren't particularly inspired and although there are a few running themes ("green" issues, the importance of family, etc), there's no clear overarching plotline running through the books or JKR-style foreshadowing. We readers know who the baddies are from the beginning and there's not a great deal of tension. The plots are more about "how are we going to get out of this situation using fairy technology" rather than "who got us into this mess". All in all, whilst an enjoyable read, I don't rate Artemis Fowl particularly highly, and I certainly don't see myself re-reading the books. -- GulPlum AKA Richard, returning to more pressing activities... From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 13:00:23 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Angela! Message-ID: <20030605130023.11190.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> *seeing no one else has arrived yet, the Birthday Elf digs into the box of decorations, pulls out the streamers and starts decorating* I hope everyone arrives soon or they'll miss all the fun. Today's birthday honouree is Angela Burgess. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: MmeBurgess at msn.com May your day be everything magical. Happy Birthday, Angela! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Jun 5 13:07:30 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:07:30 -0000 Subject: Corked Bats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Haggridd: > There are different rules for tennis and for major league >baseball. Interesting. Is it true that in professional tennis you can use any racket you want? They don't have an approved range or specs? > The composition and dimensions of baseball bats are strictly >defined and limited. A corked bat is lighter at the end and allows >for a greater speed during a swing, making it possible to drive a >baseball farther, thereby conferring an unfair advantage over a >lawful bat. Baseball is so weird! If a corked bat is a way of cheating, why don't they inspect or X-ray bats players use, just the way they test people for drugs? Cindy -- who has watched very few baseball games, but who did see what happened to poor Bill Buckner in the World Series and still feels badly for the guy From foxmoth at qnet.com Thu Jun 5 13:29:11 2003 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:29:11 -0000 Subject: Corked Bats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > Baseball is so weird! If a corked bat is a way of cheating, why > don't they inspect or X-ray bats players use, just the way they test people for drugs? > They may start doing that now...but I think they don't routinely test for drugs in baseball, only if there is suspicion. Checking in as a native Chicagoan and Cubs fan (I believe it's no coincidence that Chudley Cannons and Chicago Cubs have the same initials) the physicists quoted in the Chicago Tribune are saying that the distance advantage Haggridd mentioned is negligible because it's countered by the lighter mass of the corked bat. Force = Mass times Acceleration and all that. The real advantage of a swinging a lighter,faster bat is that you get a few more milliseconds to judge whether to swing at a fast ball. This may help a batter in a slump, though the aid may be mostly psychological. Pippin From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 5 13:57:52 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:57:52 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] corked bats Message-ID: <199.1b458d99.2c10a660@aol.com> In a message dated 6/5/2003 4:27:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > So what is a 'corked' bat and why is it illegal? What's the advantage > that it gives you? > > I would think it would be like tennis, you can use any racket you want. > I am no expert, but on the news this AM they said it meant the inside of the bat had been hollowed out and filled with things like chopped up rubber balls, styrofoam, cork, etc. Sosa said he uses it for public demonstrations. I think the idea is that the "springiness" of the bat gives the ball extra distance, which is why it's illegal to use in regulation play. It gives an unfair advantage. Sosa doesn't NEED that advantage, from all I hear (and I don't follow baseball, I just heard this stuff on the news), he just uses that bat to show off for fans, not in games. Can you imagine someone OWNING 70+ bats??? Yikes! You'd think 4 or 5 would be plenty, but then again, I own a lot of sculpture tools and pretty much only use 3 or 4 on a regular basis. . . . Maybe Sosa believes "he who dies with the most toys wins" or something like that, heehee Lynda Sappington Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Jun 5 14:13:08 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:13:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Artemis Fowl - is it good? References: Message-ID: <002901c32b6c$97a54940$7c9ccdd1@RVotaw> Dumbledad wrote: > Is Artemis Fowl any good? Are the audio versions good? How come the > cassette version is on two casettes for 5-8 year olds while the CD > is 3 CDs for 5-12 year olds, and the book is 5-16? Why are there > Puffin versions of the audio read by the author, and Cover to Cover > versions read by Nathaniel Parker, both in the UK? I LOVE Artemis Fowl. He's no Harry Potter by any means, but a worthy substitute to read while waiting. I had the second book for the longest time, but couldn't read it until I got the first. The first book moves a bit slow, a lot has to be worked out and things established that you'll simply understand over the next books. Sort of like SS/PS. The second is much better and the third simply flew by. In fact, I've been reading like crazy since school's been out, it's not often I have time to do something other than grade papers, etc. I finished the second book last Friday night. Saturday I went straight to the bookstore to buy the third (which hasn't been out too long) and finished it by Sunday night. It was very good. As for the ages, I can't see a five year old on Earth that would enjoy Artemis Fowl. The problem with Artemis is, well, he's a criminal plain and simple. He even admits it. It's what he does, it's how he thinks. So I'd hesitate to have a younger child reading it unless they had a clear understanding that wrong is wrong no matter what Artemis Fowl does. As for the audio's, I've not heard any of them so I can't say. That seems rather odd to have multiple versions, unless the author one is abridged, which wouldn't make sense, why abridge a 300 page book? Anyway, I would recommend Artemis Fowl, a great deal of thought does go into the books, and they're an interesting read. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Jun 5 14:39:13 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:39:13 -0500 Subject: Languages Message-ID: <00c301c32b70$3c290a80$7c9ccdd1@RVotaw> Does anyone know of a complete list of languages that Harry Potter has been translated into? I'm on a quest (a very slow moving one) to get a Harry Potter book in every language it's been published in. So far I'm up to two. :) Well, that doesn't count English, of course, I've got Danish and Russian. Anyway, Mugglenet has cover pictures from many languages, but I can't find just a list of languages to know what to look for. Anybody know, or know where I can find one? Thanks! Richelle P.S. Thanks very much for all the info on UK castles, it has been very helpful!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From melclaros at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 14:47:31 2003 From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:47:31 -0000 Subject: Corked Bats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > Hi, all, > > I'm not much of a baseball fan, but I did hear about Sammy Sosa's > woes. Apparently, he used a corked bat during a game, which is a no- > no. In a game against the Devil Rays! The Tampa Bay Devil Rays! Bwahahaha! (I'm allowed, I live there--love 'em but they can't play their way out of a paper bag). What was he thinking???? Not much, it seems. Mel From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 14:54:37 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Need advice from UK residents on services Message-ID: <20030605145437.97027.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Everyone, I need some advice on who you can recommend for TV, internet and phone service providers. We saw one company, Telewest, who offered everything we wanted in a package, but they aren't available in our area. We're looking for cable internet as our computer as we we usually access the internet at least 7 hours a day. LOL We need a phone service that has good international rates. What would be perfect would be to find a company that combines the TV, internet and phone in one package. Any advice on services in general would be helpful as well. We'll be living in the Greater London area, Middlesex county. Any advice you can provide would be very much appreciated. Feel free to e-mail me off-list with your advice. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 15:02:14 2003 From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (Cristina Rebelo Angelo) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:02:14 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Languages In-Reply-To: <00c301c32b70$3c290a80$7c9ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Does anyone know of a complete list of languages that Harry Potter has been translated into? I'm on a quest (a very slow moving one) to get a Harry Potter book in every language it's been published in. [Cristina Rebelo Angelo] Well... I have seen at least two other languages: I have SS/PS and CoS in Portuguese (from Portugal, as I've had feedback from someone else on the main list who has access to the Portuguese Brazilian versions), and living in France I've obviously seen French versions. I believe there is a Spanish version, and I'll know tomorrow whether there is an Arab (Tunisian) version. If you have an Amazon account, and you know a bit of French, you can get the French version from their dot fr site. For Portuguese versions, depending on where you live, I'd advise you to order them from a bookshop... I'd be glad to help you through shopping in a portuguese or brazilian site if you have some sort of Instant Message service (AIM, Yahoo, ICQ, Windows, you name it, I'm there...), but they all ask you to register, don't know whether that would be more complicated for you. ************************** Cristina Rebelo Angelo Any attached file not mentioned in the body of the message may be a virus; if present, delete it for the sake of your computer, and inform the sender. Thank you. "Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour tracer un chemin/ Et forcer le destin/ A chaque carrefour Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour parler aux canons/ Et rien qu'une chanson/ Pour coinvancre un tambour Alors sans avoir rien/ Que la force d'aimer/ Nous aurons dans nos mains/ Amis le monde entier" J.Brel 1956 ICQ 106.255.886 HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From abigailnus at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 14:49:39 2003 From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:49:39 -0000 Subject: Languages & Woe is Me In-Reply-To: <00c301c32b70$3c290a80$7c9ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > Does anyone know of a complete list of languages that Harry Potter has been translated into? I'm on a quest (a very slow moving one) to get a Harry Potter book in every language it's been published in. So far I'm up to two. :) Well, that doesn't count English, of course, I've got Danish and Russian. All four books have been translated into Hebrew, with the same covers as the American editions. I've heard wildly disparate opinions on the quality of the Hebrew translation, but I've never read it myself. May I ask why you're doing this? I assume you can't read the books in all of the laguages they've been translated into, and even if you could, why would you want to? You'd always miss something that was there in the original English. I suspect the Lexicon has a list of languages that the books have been translated into, or maybe Bloomsbury or Scholastic have a list. On a completely unrelated subject, hear the tale of my woe: The package we ordered from Amazon arrived at the post office this morning, and my mother picked it up. Both the customs declaration on the outside of the package and the shipping manifest inside of it stated that it contained, as ordered, 7 books and 2 DVDs. My mother and I found, however, only 7 books, and the plastic wrapping them was torn. At some point in its journey from Kentucky to Israel, the package was opened and the DVDs were removed. The people at the post office were rather officious about the whole thing, and made my mother fill out a lot of forms. Then they told us that they had to send the entire package, books included, back to customs! Not only do we not have the DVDs, but they've taken back our books! Oh, woe. Abigail From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Jun 5 15:07:53 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:07:53 -0000 Subject: corked bats In-Reply-To: <199.1b458d99.2c10a660@aol.com> Message-ID: Lynda wrote: > I think the idea is that the "springiness" of the bat gives the >ball extra distance, which is why it's illegal to use in regulation >play. They're saying something different in the Washington Post. They say it isn't the springiness, but the decreased weight (an ounce or so) that is the alleged advantage of corking a bat. It's lighter, you can swing faster, so you don't have to react to the pitch as quickly. The trade-off, they said, is that the ball will cover less distance when struck (by something like three feet). And the risk is that the bat is more likely to break, causing you to be busted right out on national TV. ;-) That suggests to me, as someone who has never taken a physics course, that the springiness works against distance. Any physics folks out there care to check my answer? ;-) >Can you imagine someone OWNING 70+ bats??? What an interesting thought. I wonder how many pieces of equipment a professional athlete needs to own. I know that Tonya Harding travels with just the *one* skate lace! ;-) Tennis players appear to take the court with maybe five racquets for a match, but they probably own more. Sampras and Agassi were, at one point, the only pro players to travel with their own personal racquet stringers, or so I heard. How many skates do skaters need, I wonder? How many helmets do pro American football players have? Does anyone care about this sort of trivial trivia but me? Cindy -- who would *love* to rifle through Michelle Kwan's collection of skating costumes, and who would promise not to try to wedge herself into any of them From ldenell at apl.org Thu Jun 5 15:39:33 2003 From: ldenell at apl.org (ldenell at apl.org) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:39:33 -0500 Subject: Artemis Fowl Message-ID: My 12-year-old son has devoured all three Artemis Fowl books. (No signs of criminal intent on Noah's part as yet, despite he and Artemis both being twelve). He thinks they are good for kids 9 or 10 years old and up to read on their own. Hope that helps, Dumbledad! By the way, I envy you living in Issaquah. What a charming town. - Linda, dedicated lurking librarian in Wisconsin From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Jun 5 15:52:39 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:52:39 -0000 Subject: Mostly Martha's Rap Sheet Message-ID: Hey, Oh, boy. At first, I didn't think they'd ever nail Martha Stewart for insider trading. And it still looks like they won't. But it looks like she handed the Feds an obstruction of justice indictment on a silver platter. When, when, WHEN will people learn that once the Feds show up at your door, you can't go monkeying around with the evidence? Man, they can even analyze a document to figure out whether a document was written all at the same time or whether two different pens were used. Apparently, Martha's Big Mistake was her secretary had some kind of phone log. The notation in it showed she was told information that, when made public, would tank the stock. So she goes on her secretary's computer and changes the note. Then she gets weak knees and tells her secretary to change it back! So of course the secretary tells the Feds about this. Which proves that Martha knew she had done something wrong. Ouch! Now why didn't she just change it back herself? Obstruction of justice. That's the one that gets them every time! ArmchairProsecutor!Cindy From bkb042 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 16:41:11 2003 From: bkb042 at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:41:11 -0000 Subject: Mostly Martha's Rap Sheet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > Hey, > > Oh, boy. At first, I didn't think they'd ever nail Martha Stewart > for insider trading. And it still looks like they won't. > > But it looks like she handed the Feds an obstruction of justice > indictment on a silver platter. When, when, WHEN will people learn > that once the Feds show up at your door, you can't go monkeying > around with the evidence? Man, they can even analyze a document to > figure out whether a document was written all at the same time or > whether two different pens were used. > > Apparently, Martha's Big Mistake was her secretary had some kind of > phone log. The notation in it showed she was told information that, > when made public, would tank the stock. So she goes on her > secretary's computer and changes the note. Then she gets weak knees > and tells her secretary to change it back! So of course the > secretary tells the Feds about this. Which proves that Martha knew > she had done something wrong. Ouch! Now why didn't she just change > it back herself? > > Obstruction of justice. That's the one that gets them every time! > > ArmchairProsecutor!Cindy Here's Martha's tapdance, submitted for the purpose (apparently) of swaying public opinion. http://marthatalks.com/letter/index.html As I understand it, the SEC is considering filing insider trading charges, a civil action, the Feds have already indicted her on criminal obstruction charges, and some of her own stockholders in Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia are sueing her because MSLO stock prices have taken a steady nosedive as a result of the bad press. All because one of the richest women in America wanted to save $45k. Honesty.......It's a good thing! Try it sometime, Martha. DeputyProsecutor!Brian From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 5 15:30:16 2003 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:30:16 -0000 Subject: Languages In-Reply-To: <00c301c32b70$3c290a80$7c9ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > Does anyone know of a complete list of languages that Harry Potter has been translated into? I'm on a quest (a very slow moving one) to get a Harry Potter book in every language it's been published in. So far I'm up to two. :) Well, that doesn't count English, of course, I've got Danish and Russian. I can't find a complete list: this link says that Harry has been translated into 49 languages, including French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Lithuanian, Basque, Catalan, Chinese, Danish, Dutch, Estonian, Finnish, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Japanese, Korean, Norwegian, Polish, Serbian, Swedish, Turkish. http://worldtwitch.virtualave.net/harry_potter.htm#more Here's an article about translations into ancient Greek and Latin http://www.greece.gr/CULTURE/Literature/harrypottertobepublishedinanci entgreek.stm - CMC From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Jun 5 16:54:30 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:54:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Languages & Woe is Me References: Message-ID: <003e01c32b83$2278fb50$009fcdd1@RVotaw> Abigail wrote: > May I ask why you're doing this? I assume you can't read the > books in all of the laguages they've been translated into, and > even if you could, why would you want to? You'd always miss > something that was there in the original English. Why am I doing this? Well, I suppose it's because a) I am hopelessly addicted to all things Harry Potter and b) I have a thing for collections, and this seems to be a rather unusual one. And c) It's possibly a way for me to curb my Harry Potter collections and aim for something specific instead of buying everything I see (ha!). And d) It should take a very, very long time to complete and thus keep me occupied. I particularly like the Danish cover art as well, I'd actually like to get all four of those. But anyway, right now I can try for one at a time. :) French and Spanish I can get fairly easily, I live in Louisiana and some school systems do a French immersion thing, so in those areas I can find a French translation. Next trip to Texas I can pick up Spanish. Some of the German editions are available on the US Amazon site, but I'm pretty sure they're the childrens editions, and I really want the adult edition. Which are available on the German Amazon site, but for some reason it's in German. :) Which I don't speak. I managed to find them so I know they're there, but can't go any further than that. Ah, well, the harder the quest, the more exciting! :) (Who says I don't have a life?!?) As for reading them, I can read a little Russian and Spanish, but that's it. Well, I can read all of it, but understanding--that's another story. :) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gandharvika at hotmail.com Thu Jun 5 17:33:37 2003 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:33:37 +0000 Subject: Oh! OoP! Message-ID: Oh yeah, Oh yeah. I'm on Cloud Nine and Three Quarters. I'm jammin'. Today's my day off work (that right there is reason enough to celebrate) and while I was taking my walk I came across this flyer...let me tell you about it. It sez: Hooray For Harry Potter Day! In honor of the release of _Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix_ Saturday, June 21 Chestnut Hill will become Diagon Alley! Join us for: *Scavenger hunt *Costume Parade *Wand-making at Bredenbeck's Bakery & Ice Cream Parlor *Special "Hogwarts" menus at participating restaurants *Midnight book sale at Border's *Face painting, and much, much more I love where I live! I wonder how many odd looks I would get if went walking around in public attired in my wizard's robes. Dare me, I just might! :)> Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! So then I pop into Border's, the one I'm going to be at when the clock strikes midnight, to see what cool events they are going to have there. The clerk was clueless, but she gave me another flyer which said, "Join us for fun, prizes and entertainment as we anxiously wait...". Oh yeah! Prizes. Free gifts while supplies last. The flyer also says they are going to have a live boa constrictor and monkey! Rock on! I sure hope that I'm not the only adult there who will be digging the scene. And then, and then...(looks around guiltily)...as I leave the book store I see one of these clear plastic thingies that adhere to windows, an advertisement for OoP. Had a big picture of the cover and it read..."Is Harry Ready?....Are You?" Then, you know what? I swipes it! Man, it was totally impulsive. I do not go around swiping things, but was so giddy. I hope nobody saw me. It's finally sinking in, man...OoP is only a few more days away! I'm such a freak! -Gail B...now putting that plastic thing on her bedroom mirror. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dicentra at xmission.com Thu Jun 5 18:53:08 2003 From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:53:08 -0000 Subject: Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" > wrote: > > Does anyone know of a complete list of languages that Harry Potter > has been translated into? > > I can't find a complete list: this link says that Harry has been > translated into 49 languages, including French, German, Spanish, > Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Lithuanian, Basque, Catalan, Chinese, > Danish, Dutch, Estonian, Finnish, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian, > Icelandic, Japanese, Korean, Norwegian, Polish, Serbian, Swedish, > Turkish. > You forgot American. :D --Dicentra From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 5 18:52:33 2003 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:52:33 -0000 Subject: Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Hungarian can be ordered from www.libri.hu, but the site unfortuntely only exists in Hungarian, as far as I can see. I could help you if you're interested. They do ship abroad, by mail (airmail to non-European countries). Love, Alice From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 18:58:42 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030605185842.60113.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dicentra wrote: > You forgot American. :D Lynn: Which begs the question, was it also translated into Australian? ;) Lynn (who has decided against the Ancient Greek translation - I doubt my dictionary from my high school class would be sufficient to translate the book back into English) ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 17:40:13 2003 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:40:13 -0000 Subject: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030604215535.35082.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Petra Pan wrote: > Hmm...all of the time converters that > I checked says that 4 pm on June 26 > in London = 11 am on June 26 in > eastern daylight-savings time. How > can the feed be 'live' if it starts > an hour later? > > I noticed this when I first posted > about this: the two wire services had > different times down. AP: "The Web > cast, which is free, begins at noon > EDT." Reuters: "...MSN is arranging > a live Internet feed of the event at > www.msn.co.uk/harrypotter from 11 a.m. > EDT on the day." Now me: I just received an e-mail from Bloomsbury about this event, and it states that it is starting at "16.00 BST". I assume BST means British Standard Time, so this would translate to 4:00 British Standard Time (which is also the time noted on the web site). As to what time that translates to in the US, I haven't a clue! ~Phyllis From hp at plum.cream.org Thu Jun 5 16:25:01 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:25:01 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need advice from UK residents on services In-Reply-To: <20030605145437.97027.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030605161851.0098aa70@plum.cream.org> At 15:54 05/06/03 , Ladi lyndi wrote: >Hey Everyone, > >I need some advice on who you can recommend for >TV, internet and phone service providers. We saw >one company, Telewest, who offered everything we >wanted in a package, but they aren't available in >our area. This is going to be a bit long-winded (and somewhat non-linear) because expectations and the technological solutions in the UK are slightly different than the USA or Holland. First of all, although Dutch or US expectations would lead one to think about cable services for internet connectivity as a first port of call, the slightly different history of the issue in the UK (about which I know a great deal, having been involved in the way things are currently run coming about) means that ADSL is probably a cheaper bet *for internet access*. It is therefore important to know what you want and how much you're prepared to pay for it. Let's get cable out of the way first. If Telewest don't provide services in that area, then chances are that NTL do. It's a bit complicated, but broadly speaking, the UK is currently divided into two cable companies on an area-by-area basis. Both companies (NTL and Telewest) offer cable TV, telephone lines and broadband Internet services, and although technically they are permitted to offer telephony services in each others' "fiefdoms", they generally don't. They are currently not allowed to provide non-telephony services outside their allocated areas. However, cable coverage, even in London, is far from 100% and it's possible that your street, or even your house alone, is technically not "connectable". (The usual statement is that cable services are available to about 70% of the *population* of the UK; in terms of London *homes*, it's around 80%.) If you know the FULL postcode of your new home, this page on the NTL website will tell you whether services are available: http://sales.ntl.com/index.jsp?cust=ntlcom_intbroadband . If you want cable TV as well, you can get an all-in-one package which includes TV, net access and telephony services at a better price than the three separately (NTL's pricing structures here: http://www.ntlhome.com and Telewest's here: http://www.telewest.co.uk/html/bundles/bundles.htm). Based on some very generalised assumptions, if NTL services *are* available in your new home, that's probably your best bet. If you're not served by NTL's network, you're really limited to getting the "wires" of your telephony services from BT (i.e. the erstwhile state-run telecoms provider). Unless the house is brand new, it's a fair bet that a telephone line is in place (Middlesex is big and most of what goes by that name is actually part of London; the name Middlesex actually has no administrative/legal meaning at present). The first thing you should do is to find out from the owners (I assume you're renting the house?) whether a phone line is present and what services are currently connected to it. These will probably be only a basic telephone service. Unlike the USA, the UK telecoms system doesn't rely on separate local and long-distance carriers (bearing in mind that this is a tiny island of a similar size to the smaller US states, although much more densely populated). What most people would consider a "standard" telephone service would consist of a single line from BT which would offer you all the services you need, and possibly an extra subscription contract for discounted local, national or international calls. Several companies offer those services at more competitive rates (perhaps strangely, most of those companies basically sell rebranded products bought from BT at wholesale rates). For international rates, the options are pretty much limitless, from a BT-only service, through subscription-based resellers onto "credit"-based VOIP providers (whose charges can be as little as 5% of BT's rates). Circumstances are very specific and again, I can only stress that your options are almost limitless. I would suggest that assuming the house already has a phone line (and that it's from BT), you ensure that it's up and running in time for your arrival, and you include one of BT's "Together" plans (http://www.bt.com/Choices/index.jsp?obsNoSee=Y&vStore=1120&obsPage=/at_home .jsp&obsType=LINK&obsOID=46321 - sorry for the long URL) which should ensure you have the mix of services you need at an affordable (if not necessarily *best*) price. (Please note that without one of the "Together" plans, you're likely to get a poor deal on just about every aspect of your phone usage). I would expect that until you sort your lives out, you'll probably spend most of your time contacting friends in either Holland or the US. :-) As for Internet access, the various "Together" plans include different levels of usage. Whether or not you choose to upgrade to ADSL services (which are likely to be available in that area) depends on what you use the net for and for how long per day. If you decide to take up that option, ADSL services in the UK are extremely competitive and the options are, again, pretty much limitless. Here's a web site which offers all kinds of analysis and comparisons of the various solutions on offer: http://www.net4nowt.com/ OK, I've said a lot more than I had meant to, I hope it makes sense and that there's not too much detail, but if you want to know anything more, please fell free to ask... :-) From hp at plum.cream.org Thu Jun 5 20:36:57 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:36:57 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: live web feed on June 26 In-Reply-To: References: <20030604215535.35082.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030605212211.00967de0@plum.cream.org> At 18:40 05/06/03 , Phyllis wrote: >I just received an e-mail from Bloomsbury about this event, and it >states that it is starting at "16.00 BST". I assume BST means >British Standard Time, so this would translate to 4:00 British >Standard Time (which is also the time noted on the web site). As to >what time that translates to in the US, I haven't a clue! Err... BST stands for British Summer Time (i.e. Daylight Saving Time), which runs from March to October. Otherwise, Britain runs on GMT (Greenwich Mean Time a.k.a. UST or Universal Standard Time, because it's taken as the "source" for calculating all time zones on earth, and indeed all clocks on space flights). The American relationship to GMT is from -8hrs on the West Coast to -5hrs on the East. As far as I'm aware (I'm prepared to be corrected on this), the US also applies daylight saving hours, on the same dates as the UK, and thus despite the change to BST, the US time zones differential remains the same. In other words, the webcast's start time of 16.00H (or 4pm) UK time means 11am in New York, or 8am in Los Angeles. I suspect that the differences in the reports quoted previously comes from a lack of appreciation for daylight saving hours. Whoever wrote the article saw 4pm BST (which is GMT+1), and thus added (or took away, depending on your point of view) one hour to the US equivalents. This message is being written at approx. 21.30 BST, so assuming it gets through pretty much immediately, those getting this message by email will be able to work out where they are in relation to British time. -- GulPlum AKA Richard, supplying more information than strictly required, as usual. :-) From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 20:36:08 2003 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:36:08 -0000 Subject: Corked Bats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > > Cindy -- who has watched very few baseball games, but who did see > what happened to poor Bill Buckner in the World Series and still > feels badly for the guy. Bill Buckner was doomed by the Curse of the Bambino, which was visited on the Red Sox after they sold Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees in 1919 for $125,000 so their owner, Yawkey, could produce a Broadway play (it flopped). The Bosox haven't won a World Series since 1918, and they never will again. Haggridd (a rabid Mets fan) From charisjulia at hotmail.com Thu Jun 5 17:25:19 2003 From: charisjulia at hotmail.com (charisjulia) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:25:19 -0000 Subject: Languages In-Reply-To: <00c301c32b70$3c290a80$7c9ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Richelle wrote: > Does anyone know of a complete list of languages that Harry Potter >has been translated into? I'm on a quest (a very slow moving one) >to get a Harry Potter book in every language it's been published >in. So far I'm up to two. :) Well, that doesn't count English, of course, I've got Danish and Russian. Well, I can personally certify that the books have been translated into German (I'm currently reading "Harry Potter und das Feuerkelch" (GoF, that is) and thoroughly enjoying it), Dutch (every book shop I step into has them in prominent position), French (have read "Harry Potter et le Prisonnier d'Azkaban), Greek (never read the translation but flicked through the books looking for my favourite parts and throwing my hands up in consternation and disgust when I found them. I have a low opinion of the Greek version. Which is a pity and a great shame, because the Greeks are usually pretty good at translating literature. The Greek translations have got the same covers as the British editions BTW) A quick search using MSN revealed that there are also Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Lithuanian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese and Polish translations. (also Russian and Hebrew, but you've already got the first and Abigail mentioned the second) I also happen to know that the books are currently being translated into Ancient Greek and Latin. According to Peter Needham, the translator "For the time being I'm calling Harry Harrius Potter. Arrius is a Latin name ... and it declines perfectly well so that, for example, we have Harrium Potterum. The literal translation of Potter would be Figulus but I very much hope Potter will survive" But, roughly speaking, Richelle, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the HP translations reach 90 or 100. I mean, if we're into dead languages already, that's saying something, I should think. It would be an amazing feat to collect every single one. And * very* expensive. I'd take it as pretty much a given, for example, that it's been translated into every European language, and here we're looking at 13 languages in the EU alone. And then there's the rest of the world. But, hey, don't let me put you off or anything. You could probably make it into the Guinness Book of Records if you pulled it off! Charis Julia From charisjulia at hotmail.com Thu Jun 5 21:23:40 2003 From: charisjulia at hotmail.com (charisjulia) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:23:40 -0000 Subject: Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok ,so my last post appeared hours after it was sent. . . Caius Marcius wrote; >I can't find a complete list: this link says that Harry has been >translated into 49 languages Hmph, ok so I wasn't even close. But we'll get there on day I'm telling ya! And now for my real red?faced mistake: I wrote "Harry Potter und das Feuerkelch". This should of course be "HP und * der* Feuerkelch" Kelch is masculine. Gaaaaaah! Charis Julia, off to study German vocabulary as she obviously ought to. From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 21:40:06 2003 From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (Cristina Rebelo Angelo) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:40:06 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: De : charisjulia And now for my real red?faced mistake: I wrote "Harry Potter und das Feuerkelch". This should of course be "HP und * der* Feuerkelch" Kelch is masculine. Gaaaaaah! Charis Julia, off to study German vocabulary as she obviously ought to. [Cristina Rebelo Angelo] Really? Hadn't noticed. Then, I don't know German. It's not you who is red faced, it's me who is suddendly all colours due to my ignorance... You're too sweet, Julia :) ************************** Cristina Rebelo ?ngelo Any attached file not mentioned in the body of the message may be a virus; if present, delete it for the sake of your computer, and inform the sender. Thank you. "Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour tracer un chemin/ Et forcer le destin/ A chaque carrefour Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour parler aux canons/ Et rien qu'une chanson/ Pour coinvancre un tambour Alors sans avoir rien/ Que la force d'aimer/ Nous aurons dans nos mains/ Amis le monde entier" J.Brel 1956 ICQ 106.255.886 HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cherryflip at clara.co.uk Thu Jun 5 22:01:24 2003 From: cherryflip at clara.co.uk (Jodi) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:01:24 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > > How many skates do skaters need, I wonder? Ooh, figure skating! My obsession (though sadly only as a fan). It's figure skating forums that are to blame for eating up all my online time so I can't keep up with HPFGU properly. Anyway, most skaters only have one pair of skates. When you're coming down from three or four revolutions in the air to land on a tiny sliver of steel everything has to be so precisely right in order to pull off the jump that even the tiniest thing can make a difference - like the very slight variations between two pairs of skates. It would just be too difficult to get sufficiently familiar with more than one pair of skates to be able to have full confidence in them. Also, breaking in skates can take months, and it can be pretty painful, so skaters generally don't like to have to do it any more often than is absolutely necessary. And then there's the cost; very few skaters actually make any money from their sport and it's an expensive one to pursue. For most skaters, even ones competing on the world level, it's a huge struggle to get together enough money to continue from year to year and they simply can't afford more than one pair at a time. And actually this question comes up quite often as it's not all that uncommon for skaters to have to withdraw from a competition because a blade breaks or a boot gives way and they don't have any spares. It's also fairly common for skaters to be taken out with injuries from problems with new boots which is another reason they don't like to have to break new ones in too often. So all my supposed knowledge on this is basically just repeating the answers I've read before ;o) > Cindy -- who would *love* to rifle through Michelle Kwan's collection > of skating costumes, and who would promise not to try to wedge > herself into any of them Jodi, who found the greatest revelation in seeing skating live for the first time was not the speed or the power or the sound of the edges but how much prettier and sparklier the dresses are than on TV. (And I'm posting from the web for the first time so I hope this works.) From joym999 at aol.com Thu Jun 5 22:22:50 2003 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:22:50 -0000 Subject: the springiness of corked bats, Artemious Fowl, and languages Message-ID: In answer to Cindy's question, there is no such thing, in physics, as "springiness." The writer may have been confusing it with the concept of potential energy, which is stored in a compressed object such as a spring or maybe cork, but that would be irrelevant in the case of a corked bat, since it is the wood that is hitting the ball and not any sort of matter that compresses. Anyway, the only impact of corking the bat is to make the bat lighter, which doesn't really help the batter because it tends to decrease the mass (of the bat) more than it increases the speed (of the bat as the batter swings it), so that the resulting force of the impact between the bat and the ball is lower, not higher, and as a result the distance the ball is hit is decreased, not increased. So using a corked bat is probably counterproductive, although as someone already said, the increased speed of the bat means that the player can wait a little bit longer before he swings, which is an advantage. But you're talking about a game which is full of superstition, so the myth of the corked bat may be more important than the reality. But, really, Cindy is right. Why the hell doesn't Sosa paint his practice bats red or something? As for Artemious Fowl, I read the first one a couple of years ago and loved it but I had bought it for someone else so I haven't been able to reread it. I just bought the first and second ones and I am really looking forward to rereading/reading them. A lot of my HP buddies don't seem to like those books, though, so no guarantees. Just a note for the person who is inventorying languages -- there are 3 Spanish versions of HP. There is a Catalan version, a Spanish Castillian version, and a Latin American Castillian version. --Joywitch, who is also a diehard Mets fan From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 23:15:53 2003 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:15:53 -0000 Subject: the springiness of corked bats, Artemious Fowl, and languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" wrote: > In answer to Cindy's question, there is no such thing, in physics, > as "springiness." The writer may have been confusing it with the > concept of potential energy, which is stored in a compressed object > such as a spring or maybe cork, but that would be irrelevant in the > case of a corked bat, since it is the wood that is hitting the ball > and not any sort of matter that compresses. > Well, there is the matter of elastic collisions, which isn't operating here with ash or maple bats and a regultion hardball, anyway, but one could interpret "springiness" in that fashion. Cork would modify that property anyway. > Anyway, the only impact of corking the bat is to make the bat > lighter, which doesn't really help the batter because it tends to > decrease the mass (of the bat) more than it increases the speed (of > the bat as the batter swings it), so that the resulting force of the > impact between the bat and the ball is lower, not higher, and as a > result the distance the ball is hit is decreased, not increased. So > using a corked bat is probably counterproductive, although as someone > already said, the increased speed of the bat means that the player > can wait a little bit longer before he swings, which is an > advantage. But you're talking about a game which is full of > superstition, so the myth of the corked bat may be more important > than the reality. > > But, really, Cindy is right. Why the hell doesn't Sosa paint his > practice bats red or something? > Because Sammy was LYING. It was an after-the-fact excuse to explain the presence of the corked bat. > --Joywitch, who is also a diehard Mets fan Let's Go Mets! (maybe not this year, though) Haggridd p.s. at least we'e better off than Amy Z., whose Expos are slated for the crapper (thank you Bud Selig). From lauralaylin at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 00:30:49 2003 From: lauralaylin at yahoo.com (lauralaylin) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:30:49 -0000 Subject: Oh! OoP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gail Bohacek" wrote: > Hooray For Harry Potter Day! > In honor of the release of _Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix_ > Saturday, June 21 > Chestnut Hill will become Diagon Alley! > Join us for: *Scavenger hunt > *Costume Parade > *Wand-making at Bredenbeck's Bakery & Ice Cream Parlor > *Special "Hogwarts" menus at participating restaurants > *Midnight book sale at Border's > *Face painting, and much, much more Is this Chestnut Hill, PA? That's what it looked like when I searched on Google. But I'm still hoping you mean Chestnut Hill in Boston! I want to go! Ah, this is my first post to a HPFGU list after a year and a half! About time :) From cindysphynx at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 01:43:08 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:43:08 -0000 Subject: the springiness of corked bats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joy wrote: > In answer to Cindy's question, there is no such thing, in physics, > as "springiness." I'm sorry, but in my scientific opinion, there is such a thing as "springiness." My mattress is springy. My desk is not springy. My backside was not springy 20 years ago, but it has gradually become springy. So there! Joy: >The writer may have been confusing it with the >concept of potential energy, which is stored in a compressed object >such as a spring or maybe cork, but that would be irrelevant in the >case of a corked bat, since it is the wood that is hitting the ball >and not any sort of matter that compresses. Show off! ;-) Haggrid wrote: > Well, there is the matter of elastic collisions, which isn't > operating here with ash or maple bats and a regultion hardball, > anyway, but one could interpret "springiness" in that fashion. >Cork would modify that property anyway. Yeah. That's what I meant. Haggridd: > Because Sammy was LYING. Yeah. He was. And he didn't even bother to think up a *good* lie. As Martha Stewart demonstrated, when you lie, you really want to put some effort into it. She had a meeting with a broker to get their stories straight and invented entire phone conversations and tampered with documents. She always was a perfectionist, though, wasn't she? Next time, Sammy, you might go with "My bat was corked without my knowledge! I knew it felt a bit lighter, but I figured this must have just been all of the lethal supplements that are illegal in virtually all other sports that I've been taking!" Cindy From tabouli at unite.com.au Fri Jun 6 01:51:07 2003 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:51:07 +1000 Subject: The Australian language Message-ID: <001701c32bce$1a7a8400$8e8486cb@price> Lynn: >Which begs the question, was it also translated > into Australian? ;) We Australians are clever folk. Thanks to the joys of imported media, we read and understand American *and* British in all their many varieties (with the possible exception of the more extreme products of Scotland and Yorkshire), and can generally make an acceptable hash of speaking the standard TV dialects thereof (smiles proudly to recall the number of Australian actors blending seamlessly into British and American films). Spoken Australian, however, is a language few can master! On planes in the US, I found I had to say "water" in American before the flight attendants understood what I was asking, and I once had a friend from Hong Kong who had difficulty in understanding me unless I put on an English accent (ah, that's better! Why don't you speak properly all the time? he'd say). Then there's the efforts of British and American actors to speak Australian (winces quietly). Erm. I'm told Meryl Streep did an OK job in 'Evil Angels', and Kate Winslet likewise in 'Holy Smoke', but in general... (which reminds me, GAAHHH! Can someone let the US and UK media know that no-one has used the word 'cobber' since 1920? Please??) This being the case, the Australian version of HP is in British. At a formal level, written Australian and written British are more or less identical. Partly because the separation between the two cultures is less, and partly because there's still this lingering feeling in Australia that more British=higher class, particularly in accent. This belief seems to be fading among the young, but you still hear the presenters of shows on opera and classical music affecting a faux Oxbridge accent and sniffing disdainfully at people who speak broad Australian. Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cindysphynx at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 01:45:15 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:45:15 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, another figure skating fan! Hey, answer me this, Jodi. Any opinions on the new scoring rules in the wake of the pairs scandal? And didn't Michelle Kwan get robbed of a gold medal by Tara Lipinski? I was never happy with that result. Cindy > > > > > How many skates do skaters need, I wonder? > > Ooh, figure skating! My obsession (though sadly only as a fan). It's > figure skating forums that are to blame for eating up all my online > time so I can't keep up with HPFGU properly. Anyway, most skaters > only have one pair of skates. When you're coming down from three or > four revolutions in the air to land on a tiny sliver of steel > everything has to be so precisely right in order to pull off the jump > that even the tiniest thing can make a difference - like the very > slight variations between two pairs of skates. It would just be too > difficult to get sufficiently familiar with more than one pair of > skates to be able to have full confidence in them. Also, breaking in > skates can take months, and it can be pretty painful, so skaters > generally don't like to have to do it any more often than is > absolutely necessary. And then there's the cost; very few skaters > actually make any money from their sport and it's an expensive one to > pursue. For most skaters, even ones competing on the world level, > it's a huge struggle to get together enough money to continue from > year to year and they simply can't afford more than one pair at a > time. > > And actually this question comes up quite often as it's not all that > uncommon for skaters to have to withdraw from a competition because a > blade breaks or a boot gives way and they don't have any spares. It's > also fairly common for skaters to be taken out with injuries from > problems with new boots which is another reason they don't like to > have to break new ones in too often. So all my supposed knowledge on > this is basically just repeating the answers I've read before ;o) > > > Cindy -- who would *love* to rifle through Michelle Kwan's > collection > > of skating costumes, and who would promise not to try to wedge > > herself into any of them > > Jodi, who found the greatest revelation in seeing skating live for > the first time was not the speed or the power or the sound of the > edges but how much prettier and sparklier the dresses are than on TV. > > (And I'm posting from the web for the first time so I hope this > works.) From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx Fri Jun 6 02:29:22 2003 From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:29:22 -0000 Subject: Languages & Woe is Me In-Reply-To: <003e01c32b83$2278fb50$009fcdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: >snip > French and Spanish I can get fairly easily, I live in Louisiana and some school systems do a French immersion thing, so in those areas I can find a French translation. Next trip to Texas I can pick up Spanish. > > Richelle > Hi, de-lurking here for a moment. I could help you with the Spanish books here; you said you could pick them on your next trip to Texas, but if for some reason you can't, please feel free to ask. I read parts of the PS/SS in Spanish and didn't like it, I would like to buy the Spanish versions but I'm not still convinced about it, maybe I'll just buy them because my 87 year-old Granny wants to read them. The funny thing is that at the time the HP frenzy arrived here you could find the books ONLY in paperback; after a year (or two) they released the hard covers (??). I also want to say that I agree with you on the Artemis Fowl books; I can't wait to read The Eternity Code. Well, I'll get it on June 21st when I'll be driving four hours to get my OoP book. :) Gabriela From dehavensangel at hotmail.com Fri Jun 6 02:34:32 2003 From: dehavensangel at hotmail.com (shinesse) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:34:32 -0000 Subject: Preparing for the Big Day Message-ID: Hi all. As you can see from the title of my post I'm trying to prepare for June 21st. I could really use your help. I'm looking for either a Hogwarts or Gryffindor badge. I found a great site that sells the scarf but I would really like a badge to put on it. I've searched ebay and the warner bros site but no luck. Any help will be greatly appericated. From artsylynda at aol.com Fri Jun 6 03:25:51 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:25:51 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] corked bats Message-ID: <12b.2b84221f.2c1163bf@aol.com> > How many skates do skaters need, I wonder? How many helmets do pro > American football players have? Does anyone care about this sort of > trivial trivia but me? > > I dunno, but professional polo player have at least 8 horses per game, with a saddle, bridle, and whatever other equipment needed for each horse. And the cool thing is, they change horses without ever touching the ground -- they kind of stand up on the horse they're on, and slide off onto the new horse, then get back in the game! At least, that's how they do it in world-class polo (the only kind I've seen -- the Palm Beach/Caracas championship this past January. WAY cool!) Whereas we western horse show riders usually have a training saddle we use every day and a silver saddle for shows, and at least one or maybe several training bridles and one or two silver show bridles. For English, we have at least one saddle and bridle, probably more than one bridle -- all this for one horse. If you have multiple English type horses, you probably have lots of saddles to fit all their different backs. Western saddles don't have as many different tree sizes (the frame the saddles are built on) so you may not need such a variety of saddles beyond the "work" saddle and the "show" saddle. Three day eventers have a dressage saddle and a jumping saddle, a dressage bridle and a jumping bridle (different style bits, reins and nosebands needed for each) and will usually use the same saddle for training and showing (it's the one they're most comfortable in because it's broken into their and the horse's body.) And that's the extent of my sports knowledge! Lynda Sappington Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 6 03:42:07 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:42:07 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Preparing for the Big Day References: Message-ID: <029c01c32bdd$9abbc6b0$009fcdd1@RVotaw> shinesse wrote: > Hi all. As you can see from the title of my post I'm trying to > prepare for June 21st. I could really use your help. I'm looking for > either a Hogwarts or Gryffindor badge. I found a great site that > sells the scarf but I would really like a badge to put on it. I've > searched ebay and the warner bros site but no luck. > > Any help will be greatly appericated. I found a few on Ebay, you should be able to put in the item numbers and bring them up. If not, do a search for "Gryffindor patch." harry potter house of gryffindor patch (new) Item # 2177660051 *NEW* DETAILED Harry Potter Gryffindor Patch Item # 2177245415 harry potter house of gryffindor patch (new) Item # 2177735430 *LION* Harry Potter GRYFFINDOR SHIELD Patch Item # 2177759170 new harry potter gryffindor shield patch Item # 2177825109 Harry Potter House of Gryffindor Patch Item # 2178107251 There are several more as well, the last one listed there seems to be the cheapest, and there are several by that seller. So take a look, maybe you'll find one you like. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 03:56:16 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 03:56:16 -0000 Subject: Oh! OoP!/ I saw the hat! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lauralaylin" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gail Bohacek" > wrote: > > Hooray For Harry Potter Day! > > In honor of the release of _Harry Potter and the Order of the > Phoenix_ > > Saturday, June 21 > > Chestnut Hill will become Diagon Alley! > > > Is this Chestnut Hill, PA? That's what it looked like when I > searched on Google. But I'm still hoping you mean Chestnut Hill in > Boston! I want to go! > > Ah, this is my first post to a HPFGU list after a year and a half! > About time :) "lauralaylin" As a fellow Bostonian, I just had to reply to this. I just re-checked the Borders web site and the only event that is planned in MA at Borders is in the Framingham/Natick Store. They are going to turn it into the Great Hall (I want to go, but I'll be about 25 miles down The Pike working!!) here's the link to the leaky cauldron, which will send you to the description of the events nation-wide. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MT archive/week_2003_05_18.html It sounds like the best of all of the events so far (well, I'm predjudice). I don't know if B&N is doing anthing though. ON a side note, there was a book fair at the kids' school tonight sponsored by Scholastic, and I they had quite a few OoTP hats there. They were black with gold writing, "Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix" written accross the front. I didn't get to see the back though. Well, If we hadn't already pre-ordered through amazon, I probably would have ordered it, although I don't think I could have lived with my extremely impatient 12 year old until the book arrived, sometime after the 21 st. Anna . . .(who's sorry she told her 10 year old daughter she could bring three freinds to her dance recital rehersal tomorrow nite! WHAT was I Thinking?!?) From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 04:10:46 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:10:46 -0000 Subject: Oh! OoP!/ I saw the hat! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" wrote: > > here's the link to the leaky cauldron, which will send you to the > description of the events nation-wide. > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MT archive/week_2003_05_18.html Ok, so I would never survive if I had to run a web site . . . Try this link; http://www.bgimediacenter.com/cgi-bin/browse.pl?action =news&path=1&item=523 If this still doesn't work, I found the story in the archives at the leaky cauldron, May 18-24. Scroll down till you find the story from Borders. Good luck! Anna . . .(who still likes pencil and paper best) From Chasewildstar at attbi.com Fri Jun 6 04:15:04 2003 From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:15:04 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Oh! OoP!/ I saw the hat! References: Message-ID: <000d01c32be2$34bcfd70$9c01f50c@mac> if you mean the HP OOP hat, I already have one, want the pic of it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "dradamsapple" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Oh! OoP!/ I saw the hat! > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" > wrote: > > > > here's the link to the leaky cauldron, which will send you to the > > description of the events nation-wide. > > > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MT archive/week_2003_05_18.html > > > > > Ok, so I would never survive if I had to run a web site . . . > Try this link; > > http://www.bgimediacenter.com/cgi-bin/browse.pl?action > =news&path=1&item=523 > > > If this still doesn't work, I found the story in the archives > at the leaky cauldron, May 18-24. Scroll down till you find the story > from Borders. > > Good luck! > > Anna . . .(who still likes pencil and paper best) > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Is your message... > An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. > Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. > Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. > None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. > Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 04:25:32 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:25:32 -0000 Subject: Oh! OoP!/ I saw the hat! In-Reply-To: <000d01c32be2$34bcfd70$9c01f50c@mac> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chase Wildstar" wrote: > if you mean the HP OOP hat, I already have one, want the pic of it? > > Sure Chase! I saw it tonite but I'm sure others' would like to! Thanks! Anna . . .(15 more days) From dehavensangel at hotmail.com Fri Jun 6 04:34:17 2003 From: dehavensangel at hotmail.com (shinesse) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:34:17 -0000 Subject: Preparing for the Big Day In-Reply-To: <029c01c32bdd$9abbc6b0$009fcdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: shinesse wrote: I could really use your help. I'm looking for > > either a Hogwarts or Gryffindor badge. I found a great site that > > sells the scarf but I would really like a badge to put on it. Richelle wrote: > I found a few on Ebay, you should be able to put in the item numbers and bring them up. If not, do a search for "Gryffindor patch." > > harry potter house of gryffindor patch (new) Item # 2177660051 > > *NEW* DETAILED Harry Potter Gryffindor Patch Item # 2177245415 > > harry potter house of gryffindor patch (new) Item # 2177735430 > > *LION* Harry Potter GRYFFINDOR SHIELD Patch Item # 2177759170 > > new harry potter gryffindor shield patch Item # 2177825109 > > Harry Potter House of Gryffindor Patch Item # 2178107251 > > There are several more as well, the last one listed there seems to be the cheapest, and there are several by that seller. So take a look, maybe you'll find one you like. > me agian: Thanks so much. These were great. For some reason when I searched on ebay I kept getting sellers from overseas. ~shinesse~ From abigailnus at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 08:34:51 2003 From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:34:51 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > And didn't Michelle Kwan get robbed of a gold medal by Tara > Lipinski? I was never happy with that result. Yet another figure skating fan responds: I'm sorry, but no she wasn't. I wanted Kwan to win very much - she had such grace and maturity, but she shouldn't have won even if you ignore the fact that she didn't skate a perfect program in Nagano. Kwan was excellent, and Lipinski was better. Where Kwan was technically fine but cold, Lipinski skated with warmth and ease - she made moves that Kwan obviously performed with effort seem effortless. She deserved the gold. I was very unhappy to discover that Lipinski went pro soon after Nagano. It would have been such a joy to see those two square off again, when Lipinski had a bit more maturity. Abigail From gandharvika at hotmail.com Fri Jun 6 10:57:15 2003 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:57:15 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Oh! OoP! Message-ID: Lauralaylin Asked: >Is this Chestnut Hill, PA? That's what it looked like when I >searched on Google. But I'm still hoping you mean Chestnut Hill in >Boston! I want to go! Sorry about that. Yes, it is Chestnut Hill, PA. Here is the link I neglected to add to my post: http://www.chestnuthillpa.com >Ah, this is my first post to a HPFGU list after a year and a half! >About time :) As good as time as any! -Gail B. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From luzelf at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 11:27:31 2003 From: luzelf at yahoo.com (catherine luzel francisco) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:27:31 -0000 Subject: Glencoe companion-free accomodation Message-ID: HI! I'm an avid Harry Potter fan. I'm coming to London on June 14th, a week before the release of the fifth HP book. I'm coming all the way from Korea to attend the release party. I would head straight to Scotland to try my luck to see the actors at Glencoe. I'm a 27-year old female and would be traveling alone. I want to know if you could acompany me at Glencoe or if you know a female HP fan who can come with me. I'm willing to pay for the accommodations in return of the favor.I'm a worrier and a security freak. I think i can manage to travel alone in London but not at Glencoe.I'm not rich, I'm just desperate. I'd highly appreciate your reply on this matter. Thanks very much. luzelf From luzelf at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 11:29:32 2003 From: luzelf at yahoo.com (catherine luzel francisco) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:29:32 -0000 Subject: Glencoe companion-free accomodation Message-ID: HI! i saw your email address at HPFGU. I'm an avid Harry Potter fan. I'm coming to London on June 14th, a week before the release of the fifth HP book. I'm coming all the way from Korea to attend the release party. I would head straight to Scotland to try my luck to see the actors at Glencoe. I'm a 27-year old female and would be traveling alone. I want to know if you could acompany me at Glencoe or if you know a female HP fan who can come with me. I'm willing to pay for the accommodations in return of the favor.I'm a worrier and a security freak. I think i can manage to travel alone in London but not at Glencoe.I'm not rich, I'm just desperate. I'd highly appreciate your reply on this matter. Thanks very much. From melclaros at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 14:34:59 2003 From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:34:59 -0000 Subject: Mostly Martha's Rap Sheet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > Hey, > > Oh, boy. At first, I didn't think they'd ever nail Martha Stewart > for insider trading. And it still looks like they won't. > 'Cept you know what...compared to what's been going on the past several years, what did she do REALLY? There is a fantastic columun in our local paper this AM about just that. http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/06/Columns/A_smelt_gets_fried_wh.shtml I've never really been a fan of Martha--maybe I'm just jealous--and I don't approve of what she did, if she did it. But this guy is RIGHT! From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 6 14:43:37 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:43:37 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aha! Finally something I can respond to! I was a figure skater for 12 years - 8 of those on a synchronized skating team. I know many skaters who have at least three pairs of skates - one pair for synchronized skating (which have a shorter blade w/ freestyle toepick and cna be beige [most teams will have their skaters by beige skates to cut back on buying numberous pairs of over-the-boot tights, which get holes in them faster than you can say triple lutz-double toe!]), ice dance (white w/ shorter blade and different toepick) and freestyle (white w/ various toepicks). There used to be skaters who did patch, which is when the skater uses edges to carve out patterns in the ice. These blades had completely different toepicks, which barely touched the ice. Now, they don't do patch anymore, but I remember the girls who did it would carry these big wooden racks with at least four pairs of skates on them. It's really difficult to change blades too often because it wears out the leather in your sole. Or, if they're like mine, the bolts have rusted because someone didn't use stainless steel. However, there are so many different blades on the market, it's hard to pick out what you really want. Some blades can give the skater an advantage, like using dance blades for ice dance, rather than your standard freestyle blade. Michael Weiss, you may have noticed, has a special pair of blades that are rounded on the back. I don't know how much of an advantage he gets. I know I have a tendency to have my feet slip out from underneath me, and I think his type of blades would make me fall quicker. Buying blades can be more expensive than boots because they tend to go before the boot does. I have had the same pair of skates for 8 years and it's about time for me to get new blades because they've been sharpened past the recess line. Sharpening is also important in maintaining your blade shape. There were girls on my team who took their skates to a hockey shop and the toepick was ground off b/c the guys were use to hockey skates. The shop bought them brand new blades for it. You're right - it does take months to break in skates - even years! But I've known people to be breaking in a couple pairs of skates at a time. Blisters and tendonitis are the biggest problems with breaking in skates. I had blister problems and there is a way to punch out the leather reinforcement in the "sweet" areas. But when a pair of skates runs you close to $400, you have to break them in eventually. Sorry for an essay on the technicality of skating :) Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny :) From melclaros at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 14:37:16 2003 From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:37:16 -0000 Subject: Oh! OoP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gail Bohacek" wrote: > Oh yeah, Oh yeah. I'm on Cloud Nine and Three Quarters. I'm jammin'. > > also says they are going to have a live boa constrictor and monkey! A MONKEY? Why a Monkey? Cripes...I'd have hied it over to B&N and re- reserved over there. Mel (who hates monkeys, can't you tell?) From cindysphynx at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 14:45:52 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:45:52 -0000 Subject: Mostly Martha's Rap Sheet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Melcarlos wrote: > 'Cept you know what...compared to what's been going on the past > several years, what did she do REALLY? > There is a fantastic columun in our local paper this AM about just > that. I checked out the article, but I don't think I'm persuaded that Martha is being railroaded. The article said: "We're not even indicting her for alleged insider trading. Basically, we're indicting her because she had the gall to keep insisting she was innocent after the government set its sights on her." I dunno. I mean, she didn't have to insist on her innocence at all, really. She could have asserted her 5th amendment rights, I would think. Her problem isn't that she insisted she was innocent. It seems that when you know the government is investigating you, you call another witness/potential defendant, you go to lunch and cook up a cockin' bull story to throw the feds off your scent, go back to your respective offices and tamper with documents you know to be relevant to the allegations, taking care to try to match the original blue ink . . . . . . you're a crook! That it was only $45,000 doesn't sway me because, well, we toss people in jail every day for offenses that net them far, far less. Cindy -- who likes prosecutors to throw the book at white collar criminals From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 15:41:17 2003 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:41:17 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "abigailnus" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > > And didn't Michelle Kwan get robbed of a gold medal by Tara > > Lipinski? I was never happy with that result. > > Yet another figure skating fan responds: > > I'm sorry, but no she wasn't. > Abigail I watch skating only during the Olympics, or between the Super Bowl and spring training, but Tara Lipinski outshone everyone on the ice in Salt Lake City. She performed with joy and awe. If you want to keep a cumulative rankings for figure skating, as in tennis, that's fine, but don't cheat on the scores to give the favorites an undeserved medal. If the favorite has a unusually bad night, the "them's the breaks". On that night, the kid was the best in show. Haggridd (who feels compelled to point out that there are fourteen golf clubs allowed in the bag on the PGA tour, for whateve that's worth) From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 17:02:45 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:02:45 -0000 Subject: Mostly Martha's Rap Sheet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "melclaros" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." > wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Oh, boy. At first, I didn't think they'd ever nail Martha Stewart > > for insider trading. And it still looks like they won't. > > > > > > 'Cept you know what...compared to what's been going on the past > several years, what did she do REALLY? > ...edited... > > I've never really been a fan of Martha--maybe I'm just jealous--and I > don't approve of what she did, if she did it. But this guy is RIGHT! bboy_mn: If she's guilty, I certainly can't approve of what she did, but put yourself in that position. You invest money in a company that you trust, and you find out they have been less than forthcoming with accurate information, then you discover that because of this, the stock is going to take a nose-dive. Do you stay in or get out? Martha claimed she had a order in to sell the stock if it dropped below a certain amount, that's a very common practice. It's also a very good cover story, so who knows. At any rate even if she is convicted, it was a relatively small amount of money by the standard of 'lifestyle' she lives. She is no threat to the community. She has no criminal past. She is a respected, successful and otherwise (somewhat) model citizen. What do you think they are going to do if they convict her, give her life in prison? Not likely. She will pay a fine and do some community service, or get probation. I think her stock holders are a little misguided in attempting to sue her for the drop in her stock prices. If you are invested in a profitable company then you just ride out the ups and down. In fact, this is probably the ideal time to buy more stock; it's sure to go up eventually. How many of those same stock holders are going to complain when the stock price goes up? I suggest that this is just a whole lot of lawyers who smell money to be made. Just a thought. bboy_mn From cherryflip at clara.co.uk Fri Jun 6 17:34:23 2003 From: cherryflip at clara.co.uk (Jodi) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:34:23 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." wrote: > > Hey, answer me this, Jodi. Any opinions on the new scoring rules in > the wake of the pairs scandal? > Oh, I could go on about this all day, but I'm still sitting on the fence ;o) I am not at all happy with the way things have been this past season with the secret judging, but I must admit this is largely a selfish thing as I just loved reloading IceCalc pages for hours on end during the competitions I couldn't watch. Really. Analysing every mark, seeing which kind of things each judge seemed to go for, seeing exactly where each skater slotted in and affected the rankings. And I've missed that *so* much this season. But this new Code of Points system... I'm really worried. I'm not opposed to it in principle, but I remain unconvinced that it can ever be made to work for something so complex as figure skating. And certainly I think this particular code they've come up with is going to be one huge disaster. There are all sorts of weird bits in the rules which just make no sense and you have to wonder how they come up with them. I'm actually pretty worried about how things will go next season, but still hoping that it might somehow work out better than I think. They're making it way too reliant on technology though, touch-screens and all. I've seen so many competitions where the computer's crashed and they've had to bring out the boxes of cards instead; with the new system if there's a computer problem it will surely be impossible for the competition to go ahead. Quite apart from the fact that it's all secret so even if it seems to be working fine no-one can check that it actually is. > And didn't Michelle Kwan get robbed of a gold medal by Tara > Lipinski? I was never happy with that result. > Well, I *very* rarely say anyone was robbed anyway ;o) But when I rewatch that tape I *still* can't decide who I think should've won, I change my mind every time. I don't think Kwan was robbed but I don't think Lipinski was so clearly the winner either. And IIRC it was a 6- 3 split, it really could've gone either way without me feeling it was wrong. And that's maybe where the new judging system *could* help. Which aspects of skating should carry greater weight? Should you reward energy and attack or polish and maturity? Is it better to have more difficult jumps or better executed ones? Personally I think the best thing would be to break down the marks into these kind of categories to give a bit more structure for the judges to work with, but without trying to assign points to every single element (as they're trying to now) because you're never going to be able to cover everything. Oh, and on Jenny's point about the different skates for different disciplines - I must admit that didn't even cross my mind as I was writing my post, I was thinking only about skaters who just skate one discipline. But I do know recreational skaters with two pairs, one for free and one for dance, and they complain about the difficulty of switching to the dance ones because they shift their weight backwards and suddenly find there's no blade there ;o) I did mean, though, to mention the fact that skaters used to have a different pair for figures but somehow I didn't. Hey, I was tired ;o) Jodi From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 6 17:55:17 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:55:17 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jodi" wrote: > > Oh, and on Jenny's point about the different skates for different > disciplines - I must admit that didn't even cross my mind as I was > writing my post, I was thinking only about skaters who just skate one > discipline. But I do know recreational skaters with two pairs, one > for free and one for dance, and they complain about the difficulty of > switching to the dance ones because they shift their weight backwards > and suddenly find there's no blade there ;o) I did mean, though, to > mention the fact that skaters used to have a different pair for > figures but somehow I didn't. Hey, I was tired ;o) > > Jodi It's all good, Jodi ;) Only the really good skaters at my rink have a couple pair of skates, like the coaches and "the Russians" (Anjelika Krylova and Oleg Oksiannkov - world dance champions - train at our rink. I've worked with Anjelika on choreography for our synchro team before. I know she has at least 3 pairs of skates). I've had the same pair since 1996, and we had to cash one of my dad's War Bonds for them. I'd like to get new synchro blades b/c they're kind of a cross between freestyle and dance, but for now, I'm still using my old freestyle blades. Oh, and, Hagridd, Tara Lipinski didn't skate at Salt Lake City. She won at Nagano. You might be thinking of Sarah Hughes, who won Gold at the SLC olympics. Tara's been pro since 1998. Cheers! Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny :) From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 18:18:25 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030604215705.65539.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030606181825.23217.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> Michelle: > Well, how do we know that whoever > wrote the reports have their facts > right? I can't tell which reports you are asking about so I'm going to assume that you are not familiar with the three discussed so far. Sorry if I cover grounds you're already familiar with... TLC's report is based on a piece taken from the Associated Press newswire. IIRC, both the AP and Reuters generate news reports for media outlets, who, if they are subscribers, can then reprint the reports in their newspapers, magazines, websites, etc. Really big newspapers don't usually rely on the newswires to fill their pages but as long as they subscribe, even the smaller papers who don't have the resources to open bureaus around the world or aren't being sent press releases can still carry news their staff writers couldn't write. This is to say the newswires are usually pretty good and they usually get the latest info/press releases since what they generate ends up filling a great many column inches of newsprint. Not that the newswires are perfect - they do make mistakes, especially when trying to beat their competition to break a story...and I suspect that the AP may have done just that. Here's Scholastic's press release about the web feed: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030606/nyf055_1.html This is from a service called PRNewswire, which, like BusinessWire, distributes press releases, that which are generated by the subjects of the information/news items themselves. My rule of thumb is to defer to press releases for specific facts but defer to wire reports and other news articles for more objective commentary that may help readers put the news in perspective. Since (1) the press release from Scholastic states that "...MSN will broadcast the entire event live via the Internet at www.msn.co.uk/harrypotter at 11:00 a.m. (EDT) on June 26 in the U.S...." and (2) 4pm London time IS 11am EDT, I would seriously question the AP report that puts the web feed at noon EDT. Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 6 18:32:35 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030606181825.23217.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030606183235.62884.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> My point was more along the lines of someone getting confused with time differences. Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 6 18:42:05 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:42:05 -0000 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Hi Potterites, I have a couple questions. 1. How do you tell if your book is a first edition? and 2. Won't most of the books that we buy the twenty- first, at midnight, be first editions? Thanks :) Cheers! Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny :) From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 19:46:08 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: live web feed for the June 26, Royal Albert Hall event In-Reply-To: <20030606183235.62884.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030606194608.53961.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Michelle: > My point was more along the lines > of someone getting confused with time > differences. Ah. Well, hopefully someone got some use out of that info anyway. I wonder if the original press release only gave the UK time and left the time conversion to the non-Brit. journalists themselves...what with daylight savings time in effect, I suspect the AP writer miscalculated. Regardless, anyone interested in the live feed should stay tuned. B.K. DeLong of TLC is now looking into this. Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 20:09:47 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gallery Submission Guidelines - at last! Message-ID: <20030606200947.8592.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Please distribute this as well to any artists you know who may be interested in submitting artwork for consideration in the Nimbus - 2003 gallery. The Art Gallery is meant to foster understanding about the literary themes and moods created in the Harry Potter books, as well as the mythological, historical and fantastical elements that have found their way into the Potter-verse. As such, the Art Gallery is a significant educational feature of the Symposium and contributes to the atmosphere of the Nimbus 2003 by displaying original works of art that are inspired by genres including but not limited to fantasy, folklore, history, and book illustration. The Nimbus 2003 Gallery seeks: - Any professional artwork featuring fantasy or historical themes not connected to the Harry Potter books or films, for display, sale, or auction. - Any professional artwork featuring Harry Potter characters that was legally obtained and is legally released by the owner for sale or auction. - Original artwork by amateurs featuring fantasy or historical themes which are not solely derived from the Harry Potter books or films, and which are available for display, sale, or auction. - Original artwork featuring characters, creatures, places and things which do not directly represent characters, creatures, places, things and situations found solely in the Harry Potter novels or movies, and that are legally available for display, sale, or auction. - Reproductions (prints, silkscreens, etc.) or artwork by amateurs of professionals featuring themes that relate to, but do not directly represent, characters and situations found in the Harry Potter novels and that are legally available for display, sale, or auction. - Private collections for display. - Sculpture or other media as it relates to 1-4 above. All Nimbus 2003 artwork applications and submissions must be received for consideration by the Art Gallery Committee before July 1, 2003 (see Application Procedures). (See Application Procedures). The Nimbus 2003 Gallery reserves the right to reject: - Artwork that may infringe on existing trademark or copyrights. - Artwork that is not legally available for display, sale, or auction. - Artwork that does not belong to the person submitting it. - Artwork that depicts pornographic or graphically violent situations. (NC-17) - Artwork that is submitted anonymously or that is otherwise untraceable. Gallery Hours and Judging*: The Gallery shall be open the following hours: Thursday, July 17: 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Friday, July 18: 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Saturday, July 19: 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Sunday, July 20: 8 a.m. to 11 a.m. (for pickup only) At 9 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, the gallery will close for judging. Winners will be announced in between the Double Feature movie screenings at approximately midnight. In addition, those terms that receive more than 3 bids for auction will be held for the live auction on Sunday morning. terms that do not have more than 3 bids can be paid for Sunday and the winning bidders may either take the items or arrange for Nimbus 2003 to ship them. Ribbons will be awarded for the following: Professional Category 1st Place 2nd Place 3rd Place Amateur Category 1st Place 2nd Place 3rd Place Junior Category 1st Place 2nd Place 3rd Place In addition to the above, special ribbons will be awarded to the best artworks for the following: Best in Show Most Novel Most Magical Funniest Best Genre Art Most Dramatic Best Non-Fantasy Peoples Choice Honorable Mentions Shipping and Storage: Accepted applicants who have paid their hanging fees (see below) as applicable may ship their artwork to: Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Nimbus 2003 Symposium C/o Julie Marton 1200 Epcot Resorts Boulevard Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830 If donating to the auction please write ATTN: Art Auction on mailing label. If sending art for exhibit/sale write ATTN: Art Exhibit on mailing label. Nimbus 2003 can receive shipped artwork at the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin between Friday, July 11 and Wednesday, July 16 only. Important! Please ship all artwork UPS! DO NOT ship artworks framed with glass. Be advised that if your non-donated artwork does not sell, Nimbus 2003 will return the piece(s) to you in the packaging in which it arrived. Nimbus 2003 will return any non-donated items that are not sold during the event. Please enclose a check for the original shipping amount, plus a $4.00 hotel-handling fee per package. If your artwork is sold the check will be returned to you. Hanging Options and Fees Participants wishing to show their work at the Nimbus 2003 gallery have these options: 1. Display only. The artwork is submitted solely for the purpose of display, is labeled "Not For Sale" and will be returned to the contributor at the end of the show. 2. For Sale-Fixed Price. The artwork is submitted for legal sale only at the fixed price set by the contributor. Nimbus 2003 will collect a 10% sales commission that will be deducted from this fixed price. For example, if an artist wants to earn $200 from the sale of an artwork, that artist needs to price the artwork at $222-$225 since HPEF, Inc. will receive a 10% commission by selling the piece. 3. Donation to Charity Auction. The artwork is donated to HPEF, Inc. (Nimbus 2003s parent organization) for charitable auction. Contributors may suggest a minimum bid. Nimbus 2003 will share the proceeds of this auction with BookAid International, a literacy charity that supplies thousands of books to countries in need. Fees: Hanging/Display Fees-ALL submissions with the exception of items under 3 above shall be subject to a hanging or display fee of $5 per one side of a four foot square (4x4) section of display panel or 4 section of table. Contributors who reserve 3 or more 4 display units will receive a $2.50 discount from their total display fee. Commissions: HPEF, Inc. shall collect 10% commissions on any sales made through option number 2. Commission sales are taxable as income. Participants wishing to donate artwork to the HPEF, Inc. and BookAid International Charity Auction may assess the worth of their donations and will be given a receipt for the total donation. Contributors may be eligible for tax deduction based on the amount of charitable donation. The donation amount is not affected by final sale at auction. The Ministry of Magic thanks you for your interest in the Nimbus 2003 Art Gallery and Charity Auction program. If you have any questions or need to make special arrangements please e-mail your questions to gallery at hp2003.org. *Gallery location and hours subject to change. ===== Bring Your Own Broom to Nimbus - 2003! http://www.hp2003.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 20:10:36 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need advice from UK residents on services In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030605161851.0098aa70@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <20030606201036.95968.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> --- GulPlum wrote: > OK, I've said a lot more than I had meant to, I > hope it makes sense and > that there's not too much detail, but if you > want to know anything more, > please fell free to ask... :-) Lynn: This was wonderful, thank you so very much. We're in the ntl network and are trying to contact them to get some questions answered. For some reason, we can't dial 0800 numbers from here. If any more questions come up, I'll keep you in mind. 8) Lynn (who remembers 100 channels in the US and still not having anything worthwhile to watch on TV and hoping the same is not true in the UK ;) ) ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 20:27:45 2003 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:27:45 -0000 Subject: Corked-Bat Outcome Message-ID: For all those interested in the outcome of Sosa's corked-bat troubles, he's been suspended for 8 games but has appealed the suspension and will play in the meantime. The story here: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb ~Phyllis From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 20:30:38 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Application Procedures for Gallery and Auction Message-ID: <20030606203038.31458.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Nimbus 2003 Art Gallery and Auction Application Procedures These procedures apply to any artist, art collector, or auction donor that is interested in displaying their art or auction items in the Nimbus 2003 Gallery Exhibition. The Nimbus 2003 Art Gallery will display items that are artwork for sale, not-for-sale artwork, and charity auction items and artwork that convention goers can examine prior to participating in the silent and live auctions. Step 1: Immediately, but not later than July 1, 2003, submit a jpg or gif of all of the pieces you wish to exhibit as separate e-mail attachments to gallery at hp2003.org. Please specify the artist, title, media and size of the piece, and whether it is for exhibition or auction in the body of the e-mail. A cursory review process is necessary because, Nimbus 2003 is committed to ensuring that none of the saleable artwork that is exhibited violates any of the terms outlined in the Gallery Submissions Guidelines. Do not be offended if one of your pieces is refused. Step 2: Wait until you receive confirmation on all of your pieces on whether they were accepted or refused. If you do not receive confirmation on all of your pieces at around the same time please notify Julie at seventhsqueal at yahoo.com. Step 3: Once you have received confirmation, hit reply and respond to the application questions that pertain to your submissions. One set of questions will be for the Art Exhibition; the other set of questions is for Auction donations. Hit "send" and your application form is complete. You will receive an application form confirmation notice by return e-mail. Skip to Step 5 if you are donating to the Auction. Step 4: ART EXHIBITION PARTICIPANTS ONLY. Reserve your wall or table exhibit space. Your exhibit space can be reserved one of two ways: A. Go to http://www.hp2003.org/paypal.html and click the link to pay via PayPal. PayPal transactions are subject to a $0.75 surcharge; please add $0.75 to your total. B. Mail a check with "Art Gallery Reservation" under Memo to: Harry Potter Symposium 2003 P.O. Box 18769 Rochester, NY 14618-0769 Once we have received your payment, you will receive a confirmation of your space. Space will be allocated on a "first come, first served" basis for accepted artwork. Step 5: A: If you are mailing in your art, prepare your artwork for shipping U.P.S. Make sure you are not sending an item framed with glass. Exhibitors, be advised that if your work does not sell Nimbus 2003 will return the piece to you in the packaging in which it arrived. Make sure your packaging is sturdy and the art is well protected. Nimbus - 2003 will return any non-donated item(s) that are not sold during the event. Please enclose a check for the original shipping amount, plus a $4.00 hotel-handling fee per package. If your artwork is sold the check will be returned to you when we issue a check for the sale of your piece. If donating to the auction please write attn: Art Auction on mailing label. If sending art for exhibit/sale write attn: Art Exhibit on mailing label. Estimate your ship date keeping in mind that Nimbus - 2003 can receive shipped art work at the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin between Friday, July 11 and Wednesday, July 16 only. Ship all artwork and donations to: Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Nimbus - 2003 Julie Marton 1200 Epcot Resorts Boulevard Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830 B: If you are bringing your art or donation to the Symposium you can drop it off at the Swan's Osprey Ballroom when you arrive. Your spot will be reserved for you. An art gallery assistant will install it for you. 6. Artists that did not make arrangements to have their unsold artwork shipped to them after the convention can pick up their artwork at the gallery on Sunday, July 20 from 8 a.m to 11 a.m. Nimbus 2003 cannot be held responsible for abandoned artwork. If you cannot pick up your artwork please make shipping arrangements with a member of the Art Gallery Committee. ===== Bring Your Own Broom to Nimbus - 2003! http://www.hp2003.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 7 00:53:04 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 00:53:04 -0000 Subject: euro debate/economic issues Message-ID: I hope this doesn't cause a blazing row or anything but, as an American I'm curious as to whether you Brits are pro- or anti-the Euro replacing the pound. (If this is too political a discussion I understand, someone censor me and apologies to all.) Friends of mine in England have generally said that they favour keeping the Pound...I guess it's got something to do with national pride, and well-- the economy. As I understand it, and economic issues are confusing to me so I'm probably wrong, the pound is more valuable than the US dollar, because it takes more ?s to equal $1. The exchange rate is currently $1= ?.602 and ?1= 1.41973 Euro so...the Euro and USD are closer in value, but still less valuable than the GBP (?). If the UK joins the Euro currency would they be in effect weakening there monetary value in the international community? Or (and because I don't think that last sentence is stated correctly perhaps this makes more sense) are they likely to help strengthen the Euro by their addition, and thus make it more compatible to the USD ($). Is that the point, and if it is is it not better for the EU than for the UK specifically. Is that the issue? Sorry if this seems inappropriate or an incorrect forum, but newsites can be confusing, and I thought it might be more helpful to get the opinions of average citizens (if any HP fan is considered average). Scott P.S. I wonder how this reflects on wizarding currency, if at all, and whether the Galleon (as I've always assumed it is the mainstay of the currency and that Sickles and Knuts are mere subdivisions) is a British thing, or if it is the universally recognized wizard monetary unit? From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 01:55:41 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] euro debate/economic issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030607015541.15860.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott wrote: > As I understand it, and economic issues are > confusing to me so I'm > probably wrong, the pound is more valuable than > the US dollar, > because it takes more s to equal $1. The > exchange rate is > currently $1= .602 and 1= 1.41973 Euro > so...the Euro and USD are > closer in value, but still less valuable than > the GBP (). > > If the UK joins the Euro currency would they be > in effect weakening > there monetary value in the international > community? Or (and because > I don't think that last sentence is stated > correctly perhaps this > makes more sense) are they likely to help > strengthen the Euro by > their addition, and thus make it more > compatible to the USD ($). Is > that the point, and if it is is it not better > for the EU than for > the UK specifically. Is that the issue? Lynn: You've used two different ways of looking at the exchange rate so that may make things more confusing. According to my converter - it takes $1.66 to equal 1 pound and 1.42 euro to equal a pound. $1.17 equals 1 euro. So, the British Pound is the strongest of the three currencies at this point, and the euro is stronger than the dollar. I've been listening to a lot of debates on Britain changing over to the euro and it really seems to depend on how intricately a business is linked to the EU. Also, there had been an experiment years ago with a common monetary system in which Britain got burned badly. This would, of course, make some people shy of joining in. And, let's not forget the horror stories out there of prices rising due to the changover to the euro - a lot of them true. This has people concerned about what a changover would do to the British economy, not to mention having other people dictate things, such as interest rates, which will affect a country's economy. It's really all about balancing the pluses and minuses and determining what's best. Of course, one person's plus could be another person's minus. As an outsider, I think Britain joining the euro would strengthen the euro but may not be a good thing overall. It would encourage investment in the EU but I think it would end up stimulating other economies rather than stimulate the EU economy. If you get a better exchange rate due to the weaker dollar, you'll buy there. For example, if we want books, we'll buy from Amazon.com rather than Amazon.co.uk because the advantage of the exchange rate between the dollar and the pound more than covers any extra shipping costs, so we save money. A discussion on BBC last night brought up another point. If Britain plans to stay as part of the EU, their participation in the euro may well be inevitable. So, should they join now and perhaps have a stronger voice in the direction of the economic policies or join later and have a weaker voice while countries such as Germany and France dictate the direction. Of course, with the new countries joining the EU, new voices may emerge. I'm sure, this really didn't answer your question at all and may have just muddied the waters. LOL But you did raise a question in my mind regarding galleons and pounds. Is that exchange rate based on the price of gold and who sets that price, the muggles or the goblins? Does it fluctuate with the gold market or is it based on how much actual gold is in circulation in the WW? After all Bills says that Gringott's doesn't care what he looks like as long as he keeps bringing in the gold. Also makes me wonder just how much gold is in all those pyramids and if some of them are the crypts of ancient Egyptian wizards? Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From hp at plum.cream.org Sat Jun 7 02:07:28 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:07:28 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need advice from UK residents on services In-Reply-To: <20030606201036.95968.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20030605161851.0098aa70@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030607024528.0097d7d0@plum.cream.org> At 21:10 06/06/03 , Ladi lyndi wrote: >We're in the ntl network and are trying to contact them to get some >questions answered. For some reason, we can't dial 0800 numbers from >here. If any more questions come up, I'll keep you in mind. 8) Oh well, if NTL services are available, then most of my previous post was pretty pointless. :-) However, once you get here, I would still suggest that you look into the various options for discounted international calls as I'm sure you'll be able to find a better deal than NTL's. (As I said last time, until you generate a circle of friends locally, I expect your phone will be used mainly to contact the USA or Holland!). Incidentally, I don't know what kind of installation delays NTL are currently quoting, but the last I heard, it takes about 6 weeks from initial contact to getting the wires and services installed. As for not being able to get through to 0800 numbers, that's hardly surprising. As I said in another thread about UK telephone numbers recently, 0800 numbers are "free call" numbers, and like US 1-800 numbers, can't be used from outside the originating country. NTL don't publish any other phone number (after all, they're not really set up to be contactable from outside the UK) but +44 1962 823434 will get you through to the company's head office in Crawley and I'm sure they'll be able to provide you with some assistance. >(who remembers 100 channels in the US and still not having anything >worthwhile to watch on TV and hoping the same is not true in the UK ;) ) I had cable TV in a previous home, and although I originally had an extended package, I ended up reducing it to the most basic package because not only did I realise that most of my TV viewing was limited to the BBC and Channel 4, but I watched so little TV (most of the time it was only on as "background noise") that the expense was pointless. The TV landscape in the UK has changed significantly over the 4 years since I moved, so even though there are now about 100 channels available (compared to the 30 or so during my time), most of them are of zero interest to me. The only channels in which I could possibly be interested are non-British which are no longer carried by the cable providers (I used to get a couple of French and Italian ones and several German ones). Most of the stuff I'd be interested in getting off them can be found online anyway, so I'm not even slightly inclined to get hooked up. :-) In other words, be prepared for loads and loads of pointless programming. Standard British network TV (i.e. the basic five channels anyone can get) has a very high reputation for a reason. From hp at plum.cream.org Sat Jun 7 02:33:58 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:33:58 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] First Editions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030607032143.0099de50@plum.cream.org> At 19:42 06/06/03 , Jenny wrote: >Hi Potterites, > >I have a couple questions. >1. How do you tell if your book is a first edition? I'm assuming that you're referring to the UK books. Look on the copyright page (the one with all the legal disclaimers and publishing date) and at the very bottom is a row of numbers (or just one number), running from right to left. If the sequence in your (hardback) books is 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1, it's a first edition (the same applies to paperback editions, which have their own edition numbers). In the case of GoF, the hardback first edition doesn't have a row of numbers, but the phrase "First Edition" instead. In my case, they're paperbacks and the numbers are: PS: 61 CoS: 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 PoA: 20 19 18 17 16 GoF: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 >2. Won't most of the books that we buy the twenty-first, at midnight, be >first editions? In theory, they should *all* be first editions, as it's unlikely that Bloomsbury would order up a reprint before the first one is sold out. :-) They already know how many pre-orders are out there and which shops have ordered how many copies, so they've got a pretty good idea of how many copies to print before worrying about a second edition. (Bear in mind, for instance, that most hardback copies of GoF in bookshops even now are first editions; as far as I'm aware, a second edition hardback wasn't published until after the first movie came out). >Thanks :) From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 02:43:26 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need advice from UK residents on services In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030607024528.0097d7d0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <20030607024326.36198.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> --- GulPlum wrote: > Oh well, if NTL services are available, then > most of my previous post was > pretty pointless. :-) > As for not being able to get through to 0800 > numbers, that's hardly > surprising. As I said in another thread about > UK telephone numbers > recently, 0800 numbers are "free call" numbers, > and like US 1-800 numbers, > can't be used from outside the originating > country. Lynn: NTL is available but exactly what is available is what is confusing to me. From what I gather, they can provide us with a second phone for our computer but can't provide internet service. So the other information you provided is certainly not pointless. And, they gave their international rates as up to 75% of BT's daytime, weekday calls. Well, gee, that still doesn't tell me how much it will cost me to call the US and Holland since you're right, that will probably be the majority of our calls. I also couldn't find out what they considered local. We'll live in one town and hubby will work in another so do I get the unlimited local or do I have to get the unlimited national if I want to call him. LOL So, thank you very much for a number I can call directly. It may well be that we end up with one company for TV, one for the phone, and one for the internet. I was surprised by not getting through to British 800 numbers as I can call US 800 numbers. I just get a recording that says the call will not be free to someone calling outside the calling area and if I don't want to be charged, hang up now. When I don't hang up, I'm connected and it's charged as a regular call. I figured it worked the same way in the UK. I'm not surprised about the waiting time, I've heard it could be long which is why I'm trying to get things started now and hopefully will have everything in place by the end of July. The number of TV channels come with the NTL package, all for one basic rate which was only 3 pounds more than the smaller package plus we had more telephone options with it, including the international call package. They did have a list of foreign channels you can subscribe to but as none of them were for the Dutch stations, we wouldn't need those. The only other channel we would consider getting would be the Disney package for our daughter. We have two TVs but after seeing the cost of getting a second box, we're reconsidering that option. LOL We also declined the NTL version of Web-TV. ;) We tried asking some people from the Dutch community there about all this but they were pretty clueless. I was laughing when going through the NTL website as when I clicked on information for the international calling plan I got something on phone and surf which had nothing to do with the plan itself. Another thing I laughed about was NTL's bundle of exta phone services, such as call waiting. They give you 7 options and you can pick 6 of them for a set price. The problem is, if you pick one particular option, you can't use two of the other options so the most you can use is 5. Therefore, you end up paying more for the 5 than you would if you could have picked 6. LOL There are so many cables running into this house that we're trying to find out from the owner just what all those cables are. Since this is an investment property, I'd bet some of those wires will open up other possiblities. Oh, the joys of moving from one country to another. LOL Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 03:06:13 2003 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:06:13 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jenny" wrote: > Oh, and, Hagridd, Tara Lipinski didn't skate at Salt Lake City. She > won at Nagano. You might be thinking of Sarah Hughes, who won Gold > at the SLC olympics. Tara's been pro since 1998. > > Cheers! > Yours in Gryffindor, > Jenny :) Ah yes, I stand corrected. She was an angel though. :) Haggridd From glcherry at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 7 04:33:47 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 04:33:47 -0000 Subject: I need some help Message-ID: Hello all fellow HP-OT's. I really need your help. I'm putting together a MWPP charm bracelet. Now, I could lie and say it's for my Goddaughter, but she's only two, and even tho she can say Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs, she's still too little for the charm bracelet. So, the problem I have, and need help with is...What kind of dog is Padfoot? Pureblood? Heinz 57? Is there any interview with JKR where she says? I have Moony, Wormtail, and Prongs, but my beloved Padfoot is missing! So...HELP! :) The drawing in GoF "Padfoot Returns" I can't identify. My Dad thinks Newfoundland, but it could be an Irish Wolfhound, or something else entirely. Thanks for any and all help Lorrie (who hasn't bitten her nails since she was 14, but is just going to go crazy if June 21st doesn't come SOON! And wonders how on Earth we're going to survive till Book 6 comes out. AND is starting to fear that the last line of Book 7 will be..."And the Boy-Who-Lived...Died.") From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 04:40:23 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 04:40:23 -0000 Subject: First Editions In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030607032143.0099de50@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > (Bear in mind, for instance, that most hardback copies of GoF in > bookshops even now are first editions; as far as I'm aware, a > second edition hardback wasn't published until after the first > movie came out). No, at the rate these books sell I doubt there are any more first editions in the bookshops, or even second or third, plus she really wanted to correct some Flints. My son, for instance, has a US GoF purchased over thirty months ago with the wand-order mistake, and my daughter's copy, bought about six months later (when he wearied of her borrowing his copy all the time) has the wand-order fixed. There's no way my daughter's book can be considered 'first edition' US, and it was purchased two years ago. My UK copy, purchased through Amazon before the first film was released, also has the wand- order corrected, so that's not a first edition either. (The numbers in the front are 30 29 28 27 26 25 24.) My UK copy of PoA, bought at the same time (boxed set) also doesn't have a mistake that's in my son's US version: in "The Quidditch Final" at one point the Slytherin Keeper is called the Slytherin Seeker (the mistake is obvious); in my UK version it has the correct player position. --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 06:27:59 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 06:27:59 -0000 Subject: I need some help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "stardancerofas" wrote: > ... I'm putting together a MWPP charm bracelet. ... > > ...What kind of dog is Padfoot? > > > My Dad thinks Newfoundland, but it could be an Irish Wolfhound, ... > > Thanks for any and all help > Lorrie bboy_mn: I've always assumed a Newfoundland. Sirius is described as a black dog as big as a bear, and that is very close to a Newfoundland. The are big, thick chested, somewhat shaggy, and usually dark in color. Newfounland can weight 100 to 150 pounds. They are a native breed to Canada, but the breed originated from dogs brought by French and British explorers. Also, Newfoundlands are rescue dogs. They are exceptionally strong swimmers, and can tow a man through strong current and heavy surf even in frigid waters. So even a weakened Sirius would have been able to swim to shore from Azkaban. I looked up the Irish Wolfhound on the net and they are big dogs, somewhat shaggy but are much leaner in appearance. If equal in height, a Newfoundland would weigh significantly more than a Irish Wolfhound. Although, Irish Wolfhound can achieve weights similar to a Newfoundland, for a given weight, the Wolfhound would be taller and thinner. Mastif is also a breed of 'giant' dog but they are more like 'hound', and are similar to Fang. Mastif, of which there are several breeds, can also weigh 100 to 150 pound, but again are 'hound' like in apperance which doesn't fit the description. Another very bear-like dog is the Great Pyrenees but the photos I found showed light colored coats and they only weigh 85 to 110 pounds. In this size and appearance of dog are also the similar Anatolian Shepherd and St. Bernard, but they both tend to be brown and spotted. Here is a link to photos and info about various dog breeds. http://breederweb.com/breeds/default2.asp?group=1 You will find many heavy bear-like breeds, but the Newfoundland seems to come the closest to the description of Sirius. Just a thought. bboy_mn From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sat Jun 7 12:14:08 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:14:08 -0000 Subject: First Editions In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030607032143.0099de50@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Richard wrote, about books bought on the day of publication: > In theory, they should *all* be first editions, as it's unlikely that > Bloomsbury would order up a reprint before the first one is sold out. :-) You'd think so, wouldn't you? However, James bought his POA on the day of publication, and it's not first edition by the row of numbers (this is in the UK). I wonder if at that time they ordered up reprints in response to pre- publication ordering - I don't know how much of that there was with POA, but obviously James knew when the publication date was. I guess there are economic advantages to 'just-in-time' printing of books as you then don't have to have big warehouses full of them, though whether that is the main driver I couldn't say. IIRC, the 'first edition' run for GOF was much much larger than for the first three books. David From Joanne0012 at aol.com Sat Jun 7 12:24:28 2003 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:24:28 -0000 Subject: First Editions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This discussion has been confusing two publishing terms: "edition" and "printing." If changes are made to the substance of the book (such as correcting wand- emergence order), then that's a new edition. BUT the rows of numbers in the front of the book don't refer to editions, but rather to printings of the same edition. So a book could be the nineteenth printing of the first edition if those numbers in front so indicate. In the bookselling world, the most valuable are usually called "First/First", that is, first printing of the first edition. When we buy our copies of Book Five later this month, we'll almost certainly all get first editions, but they might not all be first printings. From triner918 at aol.com Sat Jun 7 17:00:24 2003 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:00:24 -0000 Subject: Salt Lake Olympics (was: Skates) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Haggridd wrote: > I watch skating only during the Olympics, or between the Super Bowl > and spring training, but Tara Lipinski outshone everyone on the ice > in Salt Lake City. She performed with joy and awe. If you want to > keep a cumulative rankings for figure skating, as in tennis, that's > fine, but don't cheat on the scores to give the favorites an > undeserved medal. If the favorite has a unusually bad night, > the "them's the breaks". On that night, the kid was the best in show. Tara Lipinski was *not* at the Salt Lake Olympics, as she turned pro shortly after the Nagano Olympics, where, IMO, she did rob Michelle of the gold. At that time she did not have the artistic level she does now (although I still can't stand her!) but her edges and extensions just were not there in '98. That said, Sarah Hughes totally deserved her unexpected gold in Salt Lake. I felt bad for Michelle's poor skate,but her loss of gold wasn't as wrenching as 4 years earlier. Trina, avid skating fan From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 7 18:22:14 2003 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:22:14 -0000 Subject: I need some help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, > What kind of dog is > Padfoot? It would probably be a Newfoundland, though to me he will always remain a slightly Heinz 57-ed Labradorish creature. (Black Labrador in appearance, though bigger.) I dread the film for this reason. Don't spoil _my_ version of Sirius... :-) > AND is > starting to fear that the last line of Book 7 will be..."And the > Boy-Who-Lived...Died.") JKR did say that the last word of Book Seven would be "scar", though I can't for the life of me say where I read this. Of course, she could always write: "Harry lay there, dead, scraggy hair covering his scar." :-))) Sorry, I will now cease to tempt the Devil. :-) Love, Alice From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 7 21:02:53 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:02:53 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats" wrote: > JKR did say that the last word of Book Seven would be "scar", though I > can't for the life of me say where I read this. Of course, she could > always write: "Harry lay there, dead, scraggy hair covering his scar." > :-))) Sorry, I will now cease to tempt the Devil. :-) > Oh please. Please. PLEEEEZE. That had better NOT be the last line of book 7. As Steve bboy_mn wrote a few months back, if JKR did kill Harry off, much of the world would go into depression, and I don't mean the economic kind (though that could happen too if everybody stayed home and moped long enough). No, she'd better not kill Harry off. I would certainly never forgive her, and I suspect a lot of other people (like perhaps a few million) wouldn't either. Anne U (who hopes the last line of book 7 is something like, "He held her tight and stared into her [color-as-yet-unknown-and-possibly- unknowable-until-page-1,597-of-book-seven] eyes as she gently traced his fading scar." But who figures it probably won't be quite that ;-) From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sat Jun 7 21:33:05 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:33:05 -0000 Subject: First Editions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joanne wrote: > This discussion has been confusing two publishing terms: "edition" and > "printing." > > If changes are made to the substance of the book (such as correcting wand- > emergence order), then that's a new edition. BUT the rows of numbers in the > front of the book don't refer to editions, but rather to printings of the same > edition. So a book could be the nineteenth printing of the first edition if those > numbers in front so indicate. Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Perhaps someone should tell Bloomsbury. This from their FAQ ( www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/muggles/faq/faq.asp?pageNo=1 ): "How can I tell if I have a first edition copy of any of books? On the copyright page of the book, located in the pages at the beginning of the book before the story starts, there will be a row of numbers at the bottom of the page. The numbers run consecutively from right to left. The number at the furthest right hand side tells you the edition number. The row of numbers in a first edition looks like this: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Or if it reads, for example, 20 19 18 17 then this is the 17th printing." They seem to use the words 'edition' and 'printing' interchangeably. Note also that they have not yet fixed the size of the print run for OOP. David From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sat Jun 7 21:40:06 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:40:06 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anne U > (who hopes the last line of book 7 is something like, "He held her > tight and stared into her [color-as-yet-unknown-and-possibly- > unknowable-until-page-1,597-of-book-seven] eyes as she gently traced > his fading scar." But who figures it probably won't be quite that ;-) Surely "Arthur smiled happily, knowing that his Dark Lord Prohibition Act had solved everything, and set off home in his car." David From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 23:19:30 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:19:30 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > > Anne U > > (who hopes the last line of book 7 is something like, "He held her > > tight and stared into her [color-as-yet-unknown-and-possibly- > > unknowable-until-page-1,597-of-book-seven] eyes as she gently > traced > > his fading scar." But who figures it probably won't be quite > that ;-) > > Surely "Arthur smiled happily, knowing that his Dark Lord > Prohibition Act had solved everything, and set off home in his car." > > David I love that, David! And as mind-bogglingly wonderful as it would be to have a 1,597-page HP book from JKR, I hate to think how long such a thing would take her to write. Book five took long enough, and that's over 800 pages, last I heard. At the rate of roughly 300 pages a year, a book seven of this length would take her five years! I really hope three years don't go by between books 5 and 6, although I should talk; even I'm writing this, I'm making readers wait for my new Triangle Prophecy chapter , although it's really the beta readers I'm waiting for... --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 8 00:09:15 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:09:15 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday/teenygaps/die4good/FlOz/PCwarranty/TheSun/CherHil/Badges/Euro Message-ID: I'm slightly saddened that I missed wishing Happy Birthday to so many people! Thalia Chauncy, who puts interesting things in her sig Jonathon Tandy, his zeroeth birthday Mecki, who has survived birthday parties for her toddlers Angela Burgess, "Bonne Anniversaire and Joyeux Jour de Fete" Catherine McK wrote: << Speaking of driving through teeny gaps, was up in the Dales the other day on a road that involves driving through a wall and imagined the directions. "Continue until you get to a 15 ft high stone wall. Drive though it.">> Up North where Catherine from California lives, the directions might be "Continue until you get to a giant redwood tree wider than the road. Drive through it." The Amanda wrote: << what if those who fall, making a good choice, strengthen the side of good even though they die? >> Sort of like the belief that monks or hermits who live isolated, ascetic lives of prayer and meditation, are somehow spiritually helping all the (good-oriented) people in the world... This assets that a person can accomplish good in the world without being an activist and associating with other people, and that asserts that a person can accomplish good in the world by struggling for good even if they don't succeed. Dumbledad wrote: << Since an ounce is the same mass in the two countries, it must be that UK water is heavier! Why? >> Surely it has something to do with the temperature at which the water is weighed? I know that UK room temperature is colder than US room temperature, so might water be more dense at lower temperatures (above freezing; I know that ice is lighter than water)? Illyeana wrote: << Best Buy has one of the best warranty policies I have ever dealt with, and I would definitely buy a computer there if I were to buy a PC. >> I bought my laptop from Dell on-line. I am satisfied with the laptop and very positively impressed with Dell's warranty ... they send a man to *my house* to replace whatever I phone in is broken, such as the touchpad or the power cord. I've seen Dell service techs come to my job to fic laptops owned by my co-workers. Plumski wrote: <> A boy called Sue? Gail Gandharvika quoted: << *Wand-making at Bredenbeck's Bakery & Ice Cream Parlor >> I wonder if they'll be "real" wands, or wand-shaped baked goods, like churros. Shinesse wrote: << I'm looking for either a Hogwarts or Gryffindor badge. >> http://www.patchpalace.com/ Lady Lyndi wrote: << According to my converter - it takes $1.66 to equal 1 pound and 1.42 euro to equal a pound. $1.17 equals 1 euro. So, the British Pound is the strongest of the three currencies at this point, and the euro is stronger than the dollar. >> I think the strength of a currency is measured better by which way its value relative to other currencies is moving (up or down) than by what it costs at an exact instant. I mean, the Pound Sterling was worth US$5.00 when my mother was young and was was devalued from US$2.80 to US$2.40 when I was young, but was US$1.43 when GoF was released. So the current US$1.66 is better than two years ago but still part of a long historical decline. From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 8 00:22:13 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:22:13 -0000 Subject: Padfoot/Newfie Message-ID: Lorrie stardancer wrote: << What kind of dog is Padfoot? Pureblood? Heinz 57? Is there any interview with JKR where she says? I have Moony, Wormtail, and Prongs, but my beloved Padfoot is missing! So...HELP! :) The drawing in GoF "Padfoot Returns" I can't identify. My Dad thinks Newfoundland, but it could be an Irish Wolfhound, or something else entirely. >> JKR said Padfoot is just a big black mutt, but I think he looks more like a Newfie than anything else (as Steve bboy_mn indicated, the Japanese mastiff isn't shaggy enough). http://www.angelfire.com/magic/aberforthsgoat/archive/Oct00_LiveChat_B arnesNoble.htm <<[I picture Padfoot as a cross between a Scottish deerhound and a Newfoundland, did you have a particular breed of dog pictured when you created him?] Not really. I see him more as a large, bear-like mongrel. >> Alice Love Cats wrote: << It would probably be a Newfoundland, though to me he will always remain a slightly Heinz 57-ed Labradorish creature. (Black Labrador in appearance, though bigger.) >> When I went reading websites about dogs to try to find out what breed Padfoot is, I discovered that Newfies and Labs are closely related (Labrador is part of the province of Newfoundland), as their 19th century ancestors were called "the greater St. Johns dog" and "the lesser St. Johns dog". Oh, relative to what Steve bboy_mn said, the Great Pyrenees (the president of my old college had one. The earth shook when he barked: it was perceived as a throbbing in one's bones, not as a sound) is thought to have been an ancestor of the St. Johns dogs, along with something named Portuguese Water Dog, and probably others. Some of the ancestral dogs were brought by Basque whalers, who were very active in Labrador from 1500 on (no written proof that they were there before 1492) and some people believe that some of the ancestral dogs had been brought by the Vikings whose encampment at L'Ainse-de-something is in Newfoundland. There seems to be dispute whether some of the ancestors were Native American dogs (other than who else would have kept the Viking dogs from 1000 CE to 1500 CE after the Vikings left?). My other interest in searching dog websites was my *unsuccessful* effort to find the name of a breed of dog that was fashionable in New York City around 1983 that looked like teddybears. I saw dozens of them being walked, some golden, some brown, some reddish, some black, all looking rather like Chows except they looked to be about 20 pounds. Some sort of Chow/Pom cross? From heidit at netbox.com Sun Jun 8 00:45:41 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:45:41 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Nimbus - 2003 :: HPfGU Fundraiser (Info + Update) Message-ID: Hi all -- Before we repeat our fundraising appeal message, the HP4GU Admin Team would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has contributed so far to our Nimbus - 2003 fundraising efforts. With your help, we've raised $400 in the last two months. There's still time before the June 15 deadline to secure a higher level of sponsorship for HP4GU, so if you are thinking about contributing, please, don't delay. We can sponsor about four programming panels now; every dollar gets us closer to an event or item sponsorship. See below for information about how to make your donation: it's quick, it's easy, and it means so much to the fandom. Over the last four years, HP4GU has been the best online source for in-depth, mature discussion of all things Potter. The list has burgeoned to 7,000 members, more than twelve sister and regional lists, and the finest collection of Fantastic Posts essays about HP that one can locate on the web. Regional meetings are no longer so regional. In New York City, Chicago, London, Germany and all over the world in fact, we have met, sometimes in handfuls, sometimes in large numbers. And now, this summer, Harry Potter fans take the next step. More than 400 fans will converge on Orlando, Florida, to create the single largest gathering yet, at the *first ever* symposium centered solely on Harry Potter. But you know all this - or you do if you've been around lately. What you might not know is that Nimbus - 2003 needs HP4GU's help. And HP4GU needs your help. This vitally important first year's symposium - and therefore future symposia - depends on your support. Many people have said things like, "Well, I can't afford Nimbus this year, so I'll wait for next year." We certainly understand if you can't attend this year. But, if you can't go this time, there's an easy way you can help ensure that there is a next time. When the Nimbus - 2003 team formed in June of 2002, they envisioned an event that would set the tone. They saw the groundwork for future events, perhaps even eventually large enough to rent our own castle in Scotland for a long week-end. If event after event can prove our sincerity and our integrity, then perhaps we will win the respect of WB, JKR's agents, and even JKR herself. We could position this chain of symposia to become the official convention for adults, and possibly even become the preferred symposium for pursuit of the books. But without fan support, none of that can happen. Corporate sponsorship, which the event's organizers believed would be a natural source of funding, has not materialized as anticipated. Even corporations with significant ties to HP merchandise have been uninterested. The Nimbus - 2003 team attributes this to changing relationships of licensees to WB, the struggle of an unhistoried, untested event, and of course the general economy and world situation. Despite their hope that they would be able to supplement registrations with corporate contributions and lift the burden from the fans, the team finds themselves in need of grassroots assistance. Since Nimbus is the event that HP4GU inspired, they have turned to us, as well as the corners of the fandom, for that help. That is why, in addition to lending its reputation and support to Nimbus - 2003, we at HP4GU would like to make that support financial and be an official Nimbus "Symposium Sponsor." Nimbus - 2003 has various kinds and levels of sponsorship (http://www.hp2003.org/nimbushelpsp.html) - sponsorship of the entire symposium is set at $15,000. Yes, that sounds like a lot of money, but this list has about 7,000 members - if only half the members of HPfGU donate five dollars each, the list will raise enough to cover that sponsorship level. Since we started this drive, a number of people have made that five dollar contribution - and others have given even more. A few people have also asked about "Matching Gifts", which are programs that many companies offer, to support charities supported by their employees. You can check with your personnel or human resources professional today to see if matching gift forms exist at your place of business, and if it does, you can fill out one of their matching gift forms. Generally, your employer then donates directly to HPEF. Let us know offlist (sponsor at hp2003.org) if you need address information for such a form. The Symposium Sponsorship would pay for: ** Internet cafe, so that attendees and presenters can connect with HP fans around the world who are unable to attend Nimbus - 2003. Cost includes computer rental and internet access costs. [$5,000] ** Coverage of honoraria, hotel, and airfare for the Special Guests, including: Judith Krug, Connie Neal, John Granger, Philip Nel, and Roger Highfield [$3,500] ** Coverage of the Judith Krug Keynote Luncheon (Judith Krug is the Director of the Office of Intellectual Freedom for the American Library Association and will speak on the subject of censorship and book banning, with reference to Harry Potter in particular) [$3,000] ** The Farewell Breakfast on Sunday [$2,500] ** Welcoming Feast and Meet-and-Greet on Thursday night [$1,000] Moreover, for those of you who are U.S. taxpayers, your donation to the HP4GU Nimbus - 2003 sponsorship may be tax-deductible. HP Education Fanon, Inc., the company created to oversee these periodic recurring symposia, has been granted tax-exempt 501(c)3 status as an educational organization. That means your contribution carries the same advantages to you as a donation to your local charity of choice. We hope you will be part of the only event to grow out of the excellent, deep, shocking, and hilarious conversations you've enjoyed online. Be part of the vision shared by list member, elf, geist, and moderator alike. Even if you can't attend - even if you will - you have a chance to help make Harry Potter history. With your help, we can continue to prove that HP4GU is one of the best HP communities around - on the Web, or in person. With your help, that reputation will only be heightened, through the contact with and exchange between fans and academics and professionals who are equally enamoured of the books and all they represent. Plus, you'll be helping to create an amazing reality which for some will reinforce - or *create* - longstanding friendships and new communities. To make a donation, simply send funds via paypal to: hpfgu-donate at hp2003.org Or, if you prefer, you may send your donation (whether in US funds or other currency) to: Harry Potter Symposium - 2003 PO Box 18769 Rochester, NY 14618-0769 We hope that whether you can join us or not, you will consider making a contribution to show your support - not just for this year's event, but to ensure the future of any other similar conferences brought to you on behalf of *your* email list: HPforGrownups. Yours in anticipation of Nimbus - 2003, The HP4GU Moderators P.S. Don't forget, only $5 from you will do the trick! Follow this link (http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/nimbus-2003) to contribute to a Nimbus - 2003 Symposium Sponsorship today! We're only collecting through June 14, so if you're planning to donate, you only have a few days left! Checks received after that will be considered contributions to Nimbus - 2003, but might not be able to be included in the HPfGU total. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 01:11:11 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:11:11 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday/teenygaps/die4good/FlOz/PCwarranty/TheSun/CherHil/Badges/Euro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > > Catherine McK wrote: > > << Speaking of driving through teeny gaps, was up in the Dales the > other day on a road that involves driving through a wall and imagined > the directions. "Continue until you get to a 15 ft high stone wall. > Drive though it.">> > > Up North where Catherine from California lives, the directions might > be "Continue until you get to a giant redwood tree wider than the > road. Drive through it." Actually, it's not that far north. The drive-through redwood tree is almost directly east of me here in Central California. ;) -Jen, who's driven through that tree at least 5 times. From keegan at mcn.org Sun Jun 8 01:18:36 2003 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:18:36 -0700 Subject: Redwood trees! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030607181553.011064f8@localhost> At 06:11 PM 6/7/2003 , you wrote: >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince >Winston)" wrote: > > Up North where Catherine from California lives, the directions might > > be "Continue until you get to a giant redwood tree wider than the > > road. Drive through it." > >Actually, it's not that far north. The drive-through redwood >tree is almost directly east of me here in Central California. ;) > >-Jen, who's driven through that tree at least 5 times. Lol! Sigh. This area has been logged too many times to have a tree big enough to drive through. Although directions to our house involves "turn right at the only big redwoods in the area...." Catherine from California Have fun at Nimbus, Catlady! I won't be there. (Maybe next time, if it happens again ((and maybe some place a lot cooler....)) ) From bruney200 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 03:29:04 2003 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 03:29:04 -0000 Subject: Guess What guys and gals....I PASSED MY CNA TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Message-ID: Sorry if you get this more than once.... Hey guys and gals I passed my CNA test and I was so happy when she gave me my results that I shouted outloud YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The things I did where very easy. I had to do 1. Wash my hands 2. Hair and Nails 3. Change an occupied bed with a person in the bed 4. change the residents position 4. Speak to the resident. I thought when I got to the hair and nails that I was going to fail because I never did that on the resident before but I watched someone do it so I was careful at doing. I guess practing on myself for a long time did the trick. In 11 business days from today I will have in hand my certification. On Monday morning I am going to go to the hospital with the paper in my hand and say Im certified please hire me. I am so happy that everyone is taking me out to celebrate and I will be back online tonight at 11pm. I love you guys for supporting me through this hard and difficult times and I am glad I got friends like you. Tasha From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jun 8 13:42:28 2003 From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ivan=20Vablatsky?=) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:42:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Spiritual purpose of HP Message-ID: <20030608134228.27446.qmail@web21503.mail.yahoo.com> In April I sent emails to the main group postulating my theory that the story of Harry Potter is a deeply spiritual, but symbolic, guide for human liberation. Several people responded to this, some privately. Some questions were raised which I would now like to answer. One person asked me about my views on the Bible because I seemed to be saying that both the Bible and Harry Potter were preaching liberation. "Do you not believe that the bible is the inspired word of God?" My theory is that there are two parallel universes exisiting in the same space. One is the universe we know. This is the three dimensional universe governed by pairs of opposites and by time. Everything in our universe is subject, in time, to birth, growth, decline and death. Our lives move within the narrow confines of pairs of opposites such as good and evil, light and dark, love and hate, health and illness. In this universe the eternal Plan of the Creator is not being carried out. The other universe is the original creation of the Potter of the Universe. Everything there is totally in accordance with his plan and time is fiction there. There is no birth and death; only an eternal development from glory to glory and from power to power. There are no opposites; there are only absolutes. The motivating power there is love. A supreme energy, which we call "spirit", resides in all creatures and guides them. This parallel universe has been known about in our world for many millennia. The Buddhists call it Nirvana, the Taoists call it Tao, Christians call it the Kingdom of Heaven. Originally there was only one universe. Within this universe lived the Sons of the Potter who had created them in his own image. However the Creator gave his children a free will. In a process commonly called "The Fall" original humanity used its free will experimentally and thus deviated from the Plan. The result of deviating from the Plan is like swimming against the stream: you get nowhere and you end up going in circles. Through a process taking billions of years (seen in our time) humanity lost touch with the spirit of the creator totally and, without going into detail, gradually descended into a state of lower vibration which, in accordance with divine laws, resulted in the creation of a time-spatial universe in which we are "imprisoned" so to speak. The "falling" human beings gradually lost their inperishable bodies and had to enter states of life in which death operated. The final result is that the original sons of the creator fell into a state of latency or dormancy while the bodies they inhabit have developed a powerful consciousness and a very efficient brain for coping with the time-spatial universe. Millions of people have this dormant rudiment of the original human being in their heart. As I said, love is the main motivating force in the creator's universe, and not all his creatures participated in the fall. Those who did not I will refer to as the Sons (and Daughters) of Fire. These Sons of Fire had an inexhaustible compassion for those who were falling and they formed an alliance to work for the return of the "prodigal sons". Throughout the fall there were those who realised the consequences and took up the help offered by the Sons of Fire. As soon as they became liberated they also joined the Sons of Fire. In accordance with the creator's law that the will must be free, the Sons of Fire work only for those who truly yearn to return to the original universe and who are willing to make every necessary sacrifice. The way the Sons of Fire generally work is to inspire people who are pure and open to inspiration and who have some sort of talent with words (or art). These people are able to tell the rest of humanity about the process of reversing the fall, or liberation. As the original universe is multi-dimensional and in every way diferent to ours, there is no material in this universe to make comparisons with the original one, and so the only way to describe the path of liberation and the end of it is to communicate in parables, in symbols, in archetypes. People in whom the original divine human rudiment is showing signs of activity recognise these symbols and stories and become disquieted by them. They feel there must be a purpose to life and they begin to seek for it. If they persist long enough they discover that the purpose of life is not in this universe but in the parallel one. The call for liberation from the Sons of Fire comes in many tunes and tones, and some are short and weak, and others are extremely powerful, having effects for thousands of years. For example the New Testament of the Christians is such a one. Also many chapters of the Old Testament have great power, although this is fading now. We also have the Gospel of the Buddha, the Gospel of Mani, the Tao Teh Ching, and many others. There are also weaker calls which have a short-term effect. For example the many fairy tales, myths and legends often contain the call. For example the Twelve Labours of Hercules are acts of liberation. And who doesn't know the story of Sleeping Beauty (Briar Rose)? This is the great liberating story of how the inner "princess" (the original divine human being) must be awakened and returned to her "Kingdom". We also have the story of King Arthur and the Holy Grail, Parsival, etc. Many poets and great writers have also referred to the Fall and the Return, for example Dante's Divine Comedy, some of Shakespeare's plays etc. And of course there's J.K. Rowling's story of Harry Potter, in which the author outlines the path of liberation in a very veiled, symbolical way. So the answer to this questions is: yes, the Bible is the inspied word of God, but it should be kept in mind that everything, no matter how pure and divine, on entering this world of opposies, is immediately sullied and degraded. In fact there is an almost irresistible compulsion by the majority of people of this universe to pollute, to trivialise, to drag through the mud everything that is pure and radiant. In my theory it is a mistake to take the Bible as the pure and literal Word of God. The oldest copy of the New Testament we have is dated 300 years after the events described happened, and in those days manuscripts were copied by hand - providing plenty of opportunities for people to make mistakes, or change the wording to suit their opinions about the purpose of the Bible. The only way to ensure that a text is kept intact in this world is to write in an extrenely veiled and symbolical way. Just as a comment on the above: I'm not denying the existence of great Sons of Fire who have come to live among us and set the example to show that liberation is possible. We have the great liberating messengers such as Jesus, Gautama, Lao Tzu, Zarathustra, Mani, etc. However the only way to achieve liberation is to go the Path completely by our own efforts. No one, no matter how close to the creator, can take a step for us. We have to take every step ourselves. To be continued. Hans --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 8 14:36:28 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 14:36:28 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "psychic_serpent" wrote: > And as mind-bogglingly wonderful as it would be > to have a 1,597-page HP book from JKR, I hate to think how long such > a thing would take her to write. Book five took long enough, and > that's over 800 pages, last I heard. At the rate of roughly 300 > pages a year, a book seven of this length would take her five years! Good point, Barb. I suggested 1,597 pages because of the rate at which the books appear to be expanding. I hope JKR realizes that we the fans don't expect every book to be substantially longer than the previous book. Neither book 7 nor book 6 needs to be the size of the Oxford Unabridged Dictionary. Anne U (who foresees a run on wheelbarrows at Home Depot if the current trend continues) From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 8 15:02:12 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 8 Jun 2003 15:02:12 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1055084532.26.52285.m7@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, June 8, 2003 Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. *Chat times are not changing for Daylight Saving/Summer Time.* Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type /join HP:1 For further info, see the Humongous BigFile, section 3.3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/hbfile.html#33 Hope to see you there! From Ali at zymurgy.org Sun Jun 8 18:04:55 2003 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:04:55 -0000 Subject: First Editions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard wrote, about books bought on the day of publication: In theory, they should *all* be first editions, as it's unlikely that Bloomsbury would order up a reprint before the first one is sold out. :-) David replied: I wonder if at that time they ordered up reprints in response to pre-publication ordering - I don't know how much of that there was with POA, but obviously James knew when the publication date was. Ali adds: I was trying to avoid buying PoA when it first came out. I was trying to prove to myself that I wasn't addicted, and could wait for the paperback edition. Anyway IIRC, it took me 3 weeks to succumb (maybe slightly less, but I did try very hard). The numbers in my book are 20 19 18. I think this means that it was the 18th print run. For a book which had been out for such a short time, I think that shows how they had under estimated demand. In terms of whether we will all get first edition books for OoP, there are rumours of a huge print run. However, the fact that Bloomsbury said that if you pre-order OoP straight from their website, you would get a first edition, would seem to indicate that this is not a foregone conclusion. Ali From gandharvika at hotmail.com Sun Jun 8 19:19:44 2003 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 19:19:44 +0000 Subject: Pickled Toad Voting Reminder Message-ID: Just a friendly reminder that the 2003 Pickled Toad Award balloting is currently underway at the polls section of HP4GU OT-Chatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/polls Vote for you favorite filks! Awards will be given out at Nimbus 2003. If you have already voted, thanks, man! -Gail B. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 8 22:11:19 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:11:19 -0000 Subject: First Editions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" wrote: > In terms of whether we will all get first edition books for OoP, > there are rumours of a huge print run. However, the fact that > Bloomsbury said that if you pre-order OoP straight from their > website, you would get a first edition, would seem to indicate that > this is not a foregone conclusion. The figure I've seen is 8 MILLION copies of OotP, first run. Supposedly it's the biggest first run in the history of publishing. Anne U (12 days and about 7 hours to go :-) From tahewitt at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 00:45:37 2003 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: <1055061760.699.96709.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030609004537.73072.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Someone wrote: > JKR did say that the last word of Book Seven would be "scar", though I can't for the life of me say where I read this. Of course, she could always write: "Harry lay there, dead, scraggy hair covering his scar." ME How about a reincarnation ending: "A year after the dark lord's defeat and the death of their dear friend, a child was born to Hermione and Ron, a beautiful baby boy with green eyes and a birthmark on his forhead in the shape of a lightning bolt scar." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From catlady at wicca.net Mon Jun 9 00:54:15 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 00:54:15 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: <20030609004537.73072.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tyler Hewitt wrote: > How about a reincarnation ending: > "A year after the dark lord's defeat and the death of > their dear friend, a child was born to Hermione and > Ron, a beautiful baby boy with green eyes and a > birthmark on his forhead in the shape of a lightning > bolt scar." Someone proposed a similar ending, with the widowed Ginny holding her new baby in her arms and thinking that his green eyes were just like his late father's, but his forehead had no scar. From ninth88 at aol.com Mon Jun 9 04:23:44 2003 From: ninth88 at aol.com (ashwinder99) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:23:44 -0000 Subject: the Big Moment Message-ID: Hey everyone! This is my first post to OTChatter, I just joined it today but I've been a member of HPfGU for a while now. I just made my first post there too, this is a lot for me. I joined because I'm getting all worked up about OoP and I was wondering what everyone is going to be doing to celebrate the release. Is anyone throwing a party or going to one? If you're having one I'd love to hear about it because I think I might want to do that for book 6 and more ideas are always good. Is anyone's local book store doing anything creative? I'm just looking for more ideas to make it.. even more exciting and memorable, I guess. Already hardly able to contain herself, Olivia From heidit at netbox.com Mon Jun 9 04:50:48 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 00:50:48 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the Big Moment Message-ID: If you go to muari.org you can learn about events and parties around the world. Heidi Tandy *Ask me about Nimbus - 2003* Http://www.hp2003.org -----Original Message----- From: "ashwinder99" Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:23:44 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the Big Moment Real-To: "ashwinder99" Hey everyone! This is my first post to OTChatter, I just joined it today but I've been a member of HPfGU for a while now. I just made my first post there too, this is a lot for me. I joined because I'm getting all worked up about OoP and I was wondering what everyone is going to be doing to celebrate the release. Is anyone throwing a party or going to one? If you're having one I'd love to hear about it because I think I might want to do that for book 6 and more ideas are always good. Is anyone's local book store doing anything creative? I'm just looking for more ideas to make it.. even more exciting and memorable, I guess. Already hardly able to contain herself, Olivia ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 08:22:49 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the Big Moment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030609082249.46748.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> --- Olivia wrote: > I was > wondering what everyone is > going to be doing to celebrate the release. Lynn: I'll be at the American Bookstore in Den Haag (the Hague) the evening of the 20th, eagerly awaiting midnight when I can get my copy of OoP. I'm not sure what all will really be happening there, some snacks, some of this and that from what I've read. Then, at midnight they start selling the books and between midnight and 1:00 a.m. there will be a reading from OoP. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 09:13:10 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (ladilyndi) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:13:10 -0000 Subject: Need advice from UK residents on services In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030607024528.0097d7d0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: --- GulPlum wrote: > Incidentally, I don't know what kind of installation delays NTL are > currently quoting, but the last I heard, it takes about 6 weeks from > initial contact to getting the wires and services installed. Lynn: Due to your wonderful post, I was able to call NTL directly at the head office. Of course, the poor receptionist sounds as if she had never been asked for a direct dial number but she was able to figure out how to get me to customer service. We're now part of the NTL network as a result. The important thing is that they will be able to hook us up as soon as we get there. They may be able to do that because they will not of to run wires to the house. We have an appointment to have everything set up and running as of July 2nd and since we arrive there on the 1st, it gives us just enough time to get that television license we've been hearing so much about. LOL Television license? What, a tax on televisions? So, thank you so much for all of your wonderful help. It is very much appreciated. Lynn From cindysphynx at comcast.net Mon Jun 9 09:18:20 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:18:20 -0000 Subject: Skates (was Re: corked bats) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just popping back in to say I'm enjoying this thread, not ignoring it! ;-) Jodi wrote: > But when I rewatch that tape I *still* can't decide who I think >should've won, I change my mind every time. I don't think Kwan was >robbed but I don't think Lipinski was so clearly the winner either. >And IIRC it was a 6-3 split, it really could've gone either way >without me feeling it was wrong. Actually, I think the only reason Lipinski is a gold medalist is the skate order that night. Kwan went first. Lipinski went last. There is an advantage to going later in that the judges don't have to leave room for anyone else. BTW, I think they should change the rules governing skate order. Unless things have changed, the leader going into the long program has to skate really well to win. If they don't win the long program, they could easily lose. So what is the advantage you gain by skating a marvelous short program and blowing away the competition in the short program and going into the long program ranked on top? Not much, IMHO. I think skate order in the long program ought to follow the standings in the short program. In Nagano, Kwan won the short program, and Lipinski was second, IIRC. That night, Lipinski should have skated fifth and Kwan sixth. Alternatively, you could allow each skater to pick which position they'd like for the long program; Kwan would most likely have chosen to be the final skater. That way, if there is any natural bias based on skate order, it least it would favor the skater who proved herself in the short program. Now, skate order in the long program is determined by random draw, so it favors the skater who is lucky that night. > And that's maybe where the new judging system *could* help. Which > aspects of skating should carry greater weight? Should you reward > energy and attack or polish and maturity? You probably know my answer. ;-) I really don't like the way that skaters who skate like a ton of bricks can still compete at the highest levels. Of course I'm talking about Surya Bonaly (and Slutskaya, although she's much better than Bonaly). But I find it really boring when skaters skate from one end of the rink to the other popping off eight triple jumps. That was what I loved about Kwan's skating. There was always something beautiful going on between the jumps. Granted, Lipinski had attack and greater difficulty. But she was a young skater with minimal polish. I just wish the judges would reward originality and artistry more than they do. >Is it better to have more > difficult jumps or better executed ones? Personally I think the >best thing would be to break down the marks into these kind of >categories to give a bit more structure for the judges to work with, >but without trying to assign points to every single element (as >they're trying to now) because you're never going to be able to >cover everything. I suppose we can look to gymnastics as an example for how skating judging might work. After Mary Lou Retton's victory in gymnastics in L.A. in 1984, they reworked the rules to use a code of points. The results of that systems, IMHO, gave much fairer results. I don't think I've ever disagreed with a judging outcome in gymnastics. But there has been a price. Certain skills score well in the code of points but aren't that interesting to watch. An example is the front somersault on the balance beam. Yeah, front flips are harder, but they also aren't as graceful, IMHO. So gymnasts now seem to string together these routines that have the high point values but some very clumsy looking skills. And the routines start to look alike because everyone wants a high start value. Anyway, there's the opinion of someone who still hasn't learned to stop on a pair of figure skates and who never mastered the cartwheel in gymnastics. ;-) Cindy From Ali at zymurgy.org Mon Jun 9 09:39:30 2003 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:39:30 -0000 Subject: the Big Moment In-Reply-To: <20030609082249.46748.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Lynn: > > I'll be at the American Bookstore in Den Haag > (the Hague) the evening of the 20th, eagerly > awaiting midnight when I can get my copy of OoP. > I'm not sure what all will really be happening > there, some snacks, some of this and that from > what I've read. Then, at midnight they start > selling the books and between midnight and 1:00 > a.m. there will be a reading from OoP. Isn't the Hague one hour ahead of BST? I thought that no books were going on sale before midnight BST? Does this mean that you're actually getting your copy a whole hour before everyone else? Ali ps I have to warn you, Lynn, that NTL has a nickname "NTHell". It is not what you would call terribly efficient. I hope you're lucky - but waiting at the end of a phone for an hour is not unusual! From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 11:57:57 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Melody! Message-ID: <20030609115757.54905.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> *surveys the many tables of food, gives a nod of satisfaction and turn her attention to suspending glittering confetti above the room* Come on in everyone, it's going to be a heck of a party today! Today's birthday honouree is Melody. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Melody at malady579 at hotmail.com May your day be filled with wonder and magic. Happy Birthday, Melody! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 12:53:24 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the Big Moment Message-ID: <20030609125324.14003.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Heidi Tandy wrote: > If you go to muari.org you can learn about events > and parties around the world. > While I love the concept of that site, it would be a lot more helpful if they actually updated it with information that gets sent to the email address they request information at. > Real-To: "ashwinder99" > > Hey everyone! This is my first post to OTChatter, I > just joined it > today but I've been a member of HPfGU for a while > now. I just made my > first post there too, this is a lot for me. I joined > because I'm > getting all worked up about OoP and I was wondering > what everyone is > going to be doing to celebrate the release. Is > anyone throwing a > party or going to one? If you're having one I'd love > to hear about it > because I think I might want to do that for book 6 > and more ideas are > always good. Is anyone's local book store doing > anything creative? > I'm just looking for more ideas to make it.. even > more exciting and > memorable, I guess. > > Already hardly able to contain herself, > > Olivia I'm having a bunch of people over for dinner and perhaps a movie viewing. Then we head off to a midnight opening at the closest bookstore and back to my place for some reading. I've promised to cook breakfast in the morning as long as someone reads aloud while I do so. Two of us are picking up copies at midnight and there are 3 more arriving on Saturday morning. I think we're set! Sheryll, way too excited for her own good :) ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From heidit at netbox.com Mon Jun 9 13:04:04 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:04:04 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the Big Moment Message-ID: We are - or rather, my colleagues are, as I'm on fandom maternity leave ;) It takes 2-3 days - more over weekends - but it is getting updated. And of course, using the MeetUp.com feature is semiseparate from MUARI, so we're not updating that info, just facilitating signups. -----Original Message----- From: Sheryll Townsend Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:53:24 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the Big Moment Real-To: Sheryll Townsend --- Heidi Tandy wrote: > If you go to muari.org you can learn about events > and parties around the world. > While I love the concept of that site, it would be a lot more helpful if they actually updated it with information that gets sent to the email address they request information at. > Real-To: "ashwinder99" > > Hey everyone! This is my first post to OTChatter, I > just joined it > today but I've been a member of HPfGU for a while > now. I just made my > first post there too, this is a lot for me. I joined > because I'm > getting all worked up about OoP and I was wondering > what everyone is > going to be doing to celebrate the release. Is > anyone throwing a > party or going to one? If you're having one I'd love > to hear about it > because I think I might want to do that for book 6 > and more ideas are > always good. Is anyone's local book store doing > anything creative? > I'm just looking for more ideas to make it.. even > more exciting and > memorable, I guess. > > Already hardly able to contain herself, > > Olivia I'm having a bunch of people over for dinner and perhaps a movie viewing. Then we head off to a midnight opening at the closest bookstore and back to my place for some reading. I've promised to cook breakfast in the morning as long as someone reads aloud while I do so. Two of us are picking up copies at midnight and there are 3 more arriving on Saturday morning. I think we're set! Sheryll, way too excited for her own good :) ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 13:20:29 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:20:29 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tyler Hewitt > wrote: > > > How about a reincarnation ending: > > "A year after the dark lord's defeat and the death of > > their dear friend, a child was born to Hermione and > > Ron, a beautiful baby boy with green eyes and a > > birthmark on his forhead in the shape of a lightning > > bolt scar." > > Someone proposed a similar ending, with the widowed Ginny holding > her new baby in her arms and thinking that his green eyes were > just like his late father's, but his forehead had no scar. Babies. BABIES. By the end of book seven? Amongst these four? :: the geist sits on her supply of water balloons and conscientiously restrains herself from throwing them :: Ahem! I'm saving my prediction for the end of book 7 for the end of this post, but my prediction for the series in general, concerning babies, is that no one who is NOT out of school for a minimum of one year will be depicted becoming a parent during the seven books. That would allow the students who are two years ahead of Harry by the time he's in his seventh year (Fred, George, Lee, Angelina, etc.) as well as other older former students (Percy, Penelope, Oliver, Flint) and of course, people who weren't in school during the course of the books (Bill, Charlie) but certainly not Harry, Hermione, Ron or Ginny. Proposed last line: Harry walked down the stairs of the underground; he wasn't sure where he was going, but luckily he still had a very fresh memory in his mind of the image of the skin just above Dumbledore's left knee, with its very useful scar. --Barb AKA Babsgeist (no, I'm not going to say why Harry would have been looking at Dumbledore's scar ) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Mon Jun 9 13:34:33 2003 From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:34:33 EDT Subject: How will you feel if... Message-ID: <18a.1b224d22.2c15e6e9@aol.com> ...Your/our predictions for OoP and future books comes true? Will you have a 'whoo! I knew it!' attitude....or do you think it'll spoil the surprise? Or...what? ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From princessmelabela at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 14:41:39 2003 From: princessmelabela at yahoo.com (Melanie Bond) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How will you feel if... In-Reply-To: <18a.1b224d22.2c15e6e9@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030609144139.59745.qmail@web20714.mail.yahoo.com> Cassie, LOL I think that I would be happy, because all of my predictions would make for entertaining and engaging stories at least to me. However, if it turns out that some of my friends less interesting theories are true I will probably be dissappointed.. That sounded selfish didn't it? ~Melanie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 16:12:34 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the Big Moment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030609161234.80662.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ali wrote: > Isn't the Hague one hour ahead of BST? I > thought that no books were > going on sale before midnight BST? Does this > mean that you're > actually getting your copy a whole hour before > everyone else? > > Ali > > ps I have to warn you, Lynn, that NTL has a > nickname "NTHell". It is > not what you would call terribly efficient. I > hope you're lucky - > but waiting at the end of a phone for an hour > is not unusual! Lynn: Yep, The Hague is a whole hour ahead of BST, maybe they're going to wait until 1 am to sell the books but I doubt that as they are closing at 1 am. Then again, if it was all based on BST, the stores in the US wouldn't be waiting for midnight on the 21st to sell the book but would be able to sell it on the 20th, at 7 pm EST. Just think, those in Europe will be able to read the book for at least 5 hours before those in the US even glimpse it. It does make me wonder about Australia though - do they have to wait until midnight BST or just midnight on the 21st? Inquiring minds and all of that. The fun thing about NTL for me right now is that I have someone's name and their direct number in customer service so I don't have to go through the 800 number which will keep me waiting for an hour. LOL Besides, it can't be any worse than what I've experienced where I'm living now and at least with the 800 number, I won't be paying 10 cents per minute to wait on the service line for 30 minutes just to have someone come on to tell me they can't help and I'll have to call back tomorrow, just to wait another 45 minutes the next day. Believe me, billing calls can cost more than the disputed billing amount. However, I will definitely keep your wise counsel in mind when I deal with NTL. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From mdemeran at hotmail.com Mon Jun 9 16:20:20 2003 From: mdemeran at hotmail.com (Meg Demeranville) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:20:20 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Melody! In-Reply-To: <20030609115757.54905.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: wrote: > *surveys the many tables of food, gives a nod of satisfaction and turn her attention to suspending glittering confetti above the room* > > Come on in everyone, it's going to be a heck of a party today! > > Today's birthday honouree is Melody. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Melody at malady579 at h... > > May your day be filled with wonder and magic. > > Happy Birthday, Melody! > > Sheryll the Birthday Elf Meg wanders in, noticing the confetti all over the room. "Happy Birthday Melody! Hope it's spectacular! And Sheryll, I have on good authority that it's your birthday too. So here." Meg conjures up a second cake. "Hope your birthday is grand as well." Meg runs from the room and hides hoping that she doesn't get in too much trouble for congratulating the birthday elf (Birthday Elves need love too!) -Meg Read the untold story of life as a first year medical student at: As The Scalpel Turns - http://www.livejournal.com/users/megd/ From macloudt at hotmail.com Mon Jun 9 17:39:52 2003 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Ann) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:39:52 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Sheryll! Message-ID: :::::dons Assistant Birthday Elf tea cosy and drags a huge cake into the room::::: Attention, everyone! Today we have a very special birthday, because it's the birthday of Sheryll the Birthday Elf. Greetings can be sent to the List or to s_ings at yahoo.com Have a wonderful day, Sheryll, and may you be blessed with many HP goodies! Mary Ann (who was hoping to book Alan Rickman to jump out of the cake, but he's busy and couldn't make it. Sorry, Sheryll) From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 18:09:48 2003 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:09:48 -0000 Subject: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... Message-ID: ...you have a nightmare about the OoP release! Friday night, I dreamed that it was after midnight on June 21, and I had arrived home with 5 copies of OoP (why would I need 5 copies you ask? I don't have any idea - it was a dream, it's not supposed to be logical!). After I got home (in the dream), I looked at the cover and realized that instead of an 896 page book, it was a 500 page book, and instead of a picture of Harry amid candles on the cover, it was a stark black- and-white cover that read "*On* Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" (my post-dream emphasis on the "on"). The dream ended there, so I have no idea whether I was able to return to the bookstore for the real thing... ~Phyllis sincerely hoping this doesn't come true on June 21! From jmmears at comcast.net Mon Jun 9 21:01:36 2003 From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:01:36 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Sheryll! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have a fantastic, fun, Birthday Sheryll! With all the work you do remembering everyone else's special day, no one deserves a great one more than you! Jo Serenadust, who is also disappointed that Mr. Rickman won't be leaping out of the cake. Maybe next year. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Jun 9 21:02:43 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:02:43 -0000 Subject: the Big Moment In-Reply-To: <20030609161234.80662.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ladi lyndi wrote: > Yep, The Hague is a whole hour ahead of BST, > maybe they're going to wait until 1 am to sell > the books but I doubt that as they are closing at > 1 am. Then again, if it was all based on BST, > the stores in the US wouldn't be waiting for > midnight on the 21st to sell the book but would > be able to sell it on the 20th, at 7 pm EST. > Just think, those in Europe will be able to read > the book for at least 5 hours before those in the > US even glimpse it. It does make me wonder about > Australia though - do they have to wait until > midnight BST or just midnight on the 21st? > Inquiring minds and all of that. I think the way it is is that the Eastern Hemisphere waits until midnight BST. The Western hemisphere has to wait for Midnight local time. So the algorithm is whichever is the later of midnight BST and local midnight. However, in practice that's complicated by local plans for bookshop opening. In the far east of Australia, for example, it will be 9am, so it's not much of a stretch for any bookshop to sell from the word go. In the UK, I imagine only the major centres of population will open at midnight, so many of us will also have to wait for Saturday morning - many hours after Australia. Thus the sequence around the world will be quite complicated in practice. David From foxmoth at qnet.com Mon Jun 9 21:34:18 2003 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:34:18 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "psychic_serpent" wrote: > Babies. BABIES. By the end of book seven? Amongst these four? > :: the geist sits on her supply of water balloons and > conscientiously restrains herself from throwing them :: Ahem! I'm > saving my prediction for the end of book 7 for the end of this post, but my prediction for the series in general, concerning babies, is that no one who is NOT out of school for a minimum of one year will be depicted becoming a parent during the seven books. << The books began with a prologue, ten years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. An epilogue is already written, which could easily take us ten years past the Trio's leaving school (if they survive, that is.) http://books.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4326559,00.html Twenty-seven, I think, is old enough to satisfy propriety. Pippin raising her umbrella From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 23:43:42 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Sheryll! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030609234342.25032.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mary Ann wrote: > :::::dons Assistant Birthday Elf tea cosy and drags > a huge cake into > the room::::: > > Attention, everyone! Today we have a very special > birthday, because > it's the birthday of Sheryll the Birthday Elf. > Greetings can be sent > to the List or to s_ings at yahoo.com > > Have a wonderful day, Sheryll, and may you be > blessed with many HP > goodies! > > Mary Ann > (who was hoping to book Alan Rickman to jump out of > the cake, but > he's busy and couldn't make it. Sorry, Sheryll) Thank you, Mary Ann and everyone else who sent me such lovely greetings. Am very sorry Mr. Rickman was busy, but looking at the cake Andy made, I don't think it's big enough anyway. :-D Sheryll ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 9 23:52:40 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:52:40 -0000 Subject: End of Book 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" wrote: > > The books began with a prologue, ten years before Harry's first > year at Hogwarts. An epilogue is already written, which could > easily take us ten years past the Trio's leaving school (if they > survive, that is.) > Hmmm. I guess I never thought of that as a prologue (it did say "Chapter One, The Boy Who Lived" in my Scholastic paperback edition). It certainly did set the stage, though. That's how Harry got to the beeping Dursleys' house to begin with. I'm waiting to see what "surprising" things JKR will tell us about them in OotP. Anne U (wondering if the Dursleys in canon are as "redeemable" as Draco Malfoy is in fan fiction... well maybe not THAT redeemable!;-) From Ripleywriter at aol.com Tue Jun 10 00:49:39 2003 From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:49:39 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How will you feel if... Message-ID: <1de.a30dbf9.2c168523@aol.com> That's a really interesting question, Cassie. I think if any of my predictions come true, it'll be like an anti-climax after the initial pat on the back for my brilliance. ;-) If some of the more obvious, and less exciting predictions out there are true, I hate to say it, but I'd be a be a little disappointed in J.K. because I remember back when I was a Buffy fan, and we would make predictions *all* the time, and it was really fun because we had plenty to wonder about, but none of us would end up being right. So I hope that's how it is now. The rumour that someone is going to die, a certain bearded someone, if it ended up being true, than as it happened in the book, I wouldn't be as affected, and that would *really* suck because I hate to be affected by outside things like rumours or spoilers when I'm reading a book. So, I'll be trying to not even think about that kind of stuff, but it's bound to happen the first time. Which is a shame...the first time is full of surprises, and the second reading is more emotional because you concentrate more on the characters then the plot, because you know what happens already. At least, that's how it is for me. But, who knows...I have enough faith in Joanne that even if a bunch, or just one, of the predictions come true, it will still be well-written enough to not let me care that I knew it was going to happen. Still, I truly hope we're *all* wrong, even the good rumours. I love surprises--you only get them once, so best to just enjoy them. Melly From editor at texas.net Tue Jun 10 02:12:54 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:12:54 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Happy Birthday, Sheryll! References: Message-ID: <002201c32ef5$ce72c880$0705a6d8@texas.net> > Jo Serenadust, who is also disappointed that Mr. Rickman won't be > leaping out of the cake. Maybe next year. When we told him what we wanted him to wear, he declined. Said it would chafe. ~Amanda "Hey, we tried" Geist From drednort at alphalink.com.au Tue Jun 10 04:50:33 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:50:33 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the Big Moment In-Reply-To: <20030609161234.80662.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3EE5F039.27689.255E39@localhost> On 9 Jun 2003 at 9:12, Ladi lyndi wrote: > Yep, The Hague is a whole hour ahead of BST, > maybe they're going to wait until 1 am to sell > the books but I doubt that as they are closing at > 1 am. Then again, if it was all based on BST, > the stores in the US wouldn't be waiting for > midnight on the 21st to sell the book but would > be able to sell it on the 20th, at 7 pm EST. > Just think, those in Europe will be able to read > the book for at least 5 hours before those in the > US even glimpse it. It does make me wonder about > Australia though - do they have to wait until > midnight BST or just midnight on the 21st? > Inquiring minds and all of that. Australia has to wait until midnight in London - which is 9am, Saturday morning here, a perfectly respectable time to go bookshopping (-8 Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 13:43:35 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Tabouli and Sara! Message-ID: <20030610134335.92378.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> *stands in the centre of the room scratching her head and wondering how many people can be crammed into this little room* Can I get some help here? A couple of you bring in the food and the rest of you give me a hand with the decorations, please. Easy on the sparkling confetti! Not right above the food, please. Today's birhtday honourees are Tabouli and Sara (aka Zorb). Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: tabouli at unite.com.au and Zorb17 at aol.com May your days be filled with everything magical and fun. Happy Birthday, Tabouli! Happy Birthday, Sara! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From blessedbrian at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 21:53:17 2003 From: blessedbrian at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:53:17 -0000 Subject: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Phyllis. I had a very similar dream recently except that it simply involved my grabbing the book and running (which will probably come true the night of the 20th except that I will pay for them!). My roommate and I have pre-ordered both a regular copy and a deluxe copy from a local bookstore as well as the books on CD from Amazon. Am I the only one with a timer downloaded to my computer (we go into the single digits tonight!! YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA!!!!)? Brian:-) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" wrote: > ...you have a nightmare about the OoP release! Friday night, I > dreamed that it was after midnight on June 21, and I had arrived home > with 5 copies of OoP (why would I need 5 copies you ask? I don't > have any idea - it was a dream, it's not supposed to be logical!). > After I got home (in the dream), I looked at the cover and realized > that instead of an 896 page book, it was a 500 page book, and instead > of a picture of Harry amid candles on the cover, it was a stark black- > and-white cover that read "*On* Harry Potter and the Order of the > Phoenix" (my post-dream emphasis on the "on"). > > The dream ended there, so I have no idea whether I was able to return > to the bookstore for the real thing... > > ~Phyllis > sincerely hoping this doesn't come true on June 21! From risako at nexusanime.com Tue Jun 10 22:19:47 2003 From: risako at nexusanime.com (Melissa McCarthy) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:19:47 -0300 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... References: Message-ID: <000701c32f9e$67d73080$75856395@vaio> Brian said: > I had a very similar dream recently except that it simply involved > my grabbing the book and running (which will probably come true the > night of the 20th except that I will pay for them!). Last night I dreamed that Amazon very kindly delivered the book early, and I read the whole thing! All I remember is something about a competition involving Hedwig, and also it seemed to me that Hermione and Ron had only very small parts... so I hope I'm wrong. Brian also said: > Am I the only one with a timer downloaded to my computer (we go > into the single digits tonight!! YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA!!!!)? Where did you get that?! I wanna download one too! Melissa, who likes Hermione best From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 22:55:10 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:55:10 -0000 Subject: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... In-Reply-To: <000701c32f9e$67d73080$75856395@vaio> Message-ID: Very weird, I had one recently, too. I dreamt that I was walking past the huge display window of the bookstore in Century City Plaza (it's in Los Angeles), and the people inside were opening their boxes and setting out the book. Nobody was noticing that it was 2 weeks early! So I went inside, sidled up to one of the workers, and said softly, "So... can I have one of those?" He said, "Oh... sure... have to get the display up... here, take it and leave me alone." No problem, dude... I snatched it and ran to the counter... where they were really busy and didn't seem to realize that I'd just handed them their doom... and as I walked out of the store with the book cradled in my arms, I thought, "I can't believe they're risking their ability to sell HP in the future by opening their boxes early! This has got to be some kind of dream!" And of course, that's when I woke up. What a bummer. -Jen From cantor at vgernet.net Tue Jun 10 23:04:13 2003 From: cantor at vgernet.net (cantoramy) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:04:13 -0000 Subject: Quoting from a message Message-ID: Hi. I am presenting at Nimbus-2003 and have see a post on HP4GU that was so well written that I asked the author if I may quote him in my paper. He said yes, so now I need to know how to put my source in the footnotes. Do I give the number and date of the message plus his name and the name of the group? Since it is a members-only group, should I state that too? Anyone else have this problem before? Help! cantoramy (Amy Miller) From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 01:12:01 2003 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the *B*Witch) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Happy Belated Birthday Sheryll and others! Message-ID: <20030611011201.65256.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Belated Birthday Wishes to you Sheryll and many others born on June 9th! May you all get what you wished for an d lots of HP goodies! Hope you didn't eat to many Chocolate Frogs, well, if you did, you could be hopping Happy on your Special Day! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Wanda the *B*Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles 100% The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits. ~~~ Albert Einstein --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Jun 11 01:29:21 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:29:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Languages/ You know you're HP obsessed. . . References: Message-ID: <001701c32fb8$e7a5b330$d59ccdd1@RVotaw> Gabriela wrote: > Hi, de-lurking here for a moment. I could help you with the Spanish > books here; you said you could pick them on your next trip to Texas, > but if for some reason you can't, please feel free to ask. I read Well, would you believe I found the Spanish edition where I thought I'd find French? Right in the heart of French immersion territory, no French, just Spanish. They had all four books, I choose Sorcerer's Stone. Oops, I mean Philosopher's Stone. I flipped through it a bit and stopped a couple of places. Imagine my delight when I was able to figure out what was happening both times. And it's been more than five years since I studied Spanish. I also recently aquired a Ukrainian edition of Goblet of Fire, and have a Portugese edition on its way now. Which will bring me up to five languages (not counting English). If I include English, both UK and US editions, that's seven down, a whole lot to go! As for HP obsession, I have preordered an adult UK edition from Amazon UK, a Deluxe edition from Amazon (US), and a copy from Barnes & Noble that I'll pick up at the midnight release. I haven't as of yet ordered the audio version, I have the other four on CD and want to get it before too long, but I may wait for my birthday and get my dad to buy it for me. He has no imagination and only buys exactly what I tell him to. On another note, he's sixty and I've recently gotten him hooked on HP too. His copy is preordered from Borders, though he claims he's waiting until Saturday to go and get it. (And he's in the Eastern time zone, he could have it an hour before me!!!) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Jun 11 01:47:16 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:47:16 -0500 Subject: T-shirt slogans Message-ID: <004401c32fbb$641a9780$d59ccdd1@RVotaw> Someone posted in the recent request for quotes on the main list that "Don't let the Muggles get you down" would make a great t-shirt slogan. My mind has drawn a blank, so I'm asking--can you come up with some other good t-shirt slogans? I've got the sudden urge to make t-shirts, after doing one to wear to the OoP release party. So, any ideas? Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Meliss9900 at aol.com Wed Jun 11 02:05:27 2003 From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:05:27 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] T-shirt slogans Message-ID: <12b.2bdaf85b.2c17e867@aol.com> In a message dated 6/10/2003 8:47:53 PM Central Standard Time, rvotaw at i-55.com writes: > I've got the sudden urge to make t-shirts, after doing one to wear to the > OoP release party. > > So, any ideas? > > Richelle > Well the Hogwarts motto of course "Never Tickle A Sleeping Dragon" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 11 03:14:50 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 03:14:50 -0000 Subject: How will you feel if... In-Reply-To: <20030609144139.59745.qmail@web20714.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is an interesting question, and I guess it should be stated that although I haven't posted my own predictions I certainly have them. I've always had the notion that things I imagine (about myself) will never come true-- I don't know where this comes from although I've read similar musings in several books lately-- and while what may happen to Harry isn't about *myself* it somehow falls into the same category. Does anyone feel like what they've imagined can't come true by default, as if, and I'm stretching it here, you'd feel guilty for having guessed so well, and (as others have said) slightly disappointed? Hmmm... In anycase I find it EXTREMELY likely that whatever characters may kick the bucket in OOP we shan't be too suprised. After all between the many slews of posts over who may die surely all the characters have been mentioned several times, IOW I think that *someone* may've been right about it... well only time (10 days and 44 minutes to be exact) will tell! Scott From boggles at earthlink.net Wed Jun 11 04:15:36 2003 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:15:36 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] T-shirt slogans In-Reply-To: <004401c32fbb$641a9780$d59ccdd1@RVotaw> References: <004401c32fbb$641a9780$d59ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: At 8:47 PM -0500 6/10/03, Richelle Votaw wrote: >Someone posted in the recent request for quotes on the main list >that "Don't let the Muggles get you down" would make a great t-shirt >slogan. My mind has drawn a blank, so I'm asking--can you come up >with some other good t-shirt slogans? I've got the sudden urge to >make t-shirts, after doing one to wear to the OoP release party. I always liked "Co-Ed Naked Quiddich - Four Balls, No Limits." -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles(at)earthlink.net "It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. " - Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808. From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 04:38:46 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:38:46 -0000 Subject: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" wrote: > ...you have a nightmare about the OoP release! Friday night, I > dreamed that it was after midnight on June 21, and I had arrived home > with 5 copies of OoP > ~Phyllis > sincerely hoping this doesn't come true on June 21! Well, I just had to share; Although I didn't have a dream (well, at least not that I can remember), I was looking through my local Sunday paper,reading the sale flyers, when a certain ad caught my eye; "D.E. for pool filters". "Death Eaters for pool filters?", I said. When, in a quick moment of recovery, I realized I wasn't reading anything remotely related to HP. Only 10 more days . . . Anna . . . From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 04:44:57 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:44:57 -0000 Subject: T-shirt slogans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote: > At 8:47 PM -0500 6/10/03, Richelle Votaw wrote: > > >>snip<< so I'm asking--can you come up > >with some other good t-shirt slogans? I've got the sudden urge to > >make t-shirts, after doing one to wear to the OoP release party. > > I always liked "Co-Ed Naked Quiddich - Four Balls, No Limits." > > -- > > OH! Jennifer! I LOVE IT! Can I pre-order 2, in extra large? (er, t-shirts, that is)! 8) Anna . . .(off to bed with hopes of pleasant dreams of naked quidditch) From naama_gat at hotmail.com Wed Jun 11 09:53:16 2003 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:53:16 -0000 Subject: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" wrote: > Although I didn't have a dream (well, at least not that I can > remember), I was looking through my local Sunday paper,reading the > sale flyers, when a certain ad caught my eye; > > "D.E. for pool filters". > > "Death Eaters for pool filters?", I said. When, in a quick moment of > recovery, I realized I wasn't reading anything remotely related to HP. > I was driving along, when a car squeezed past on my right, in a space that didn't seem wide enough. My immediate thought response was: wow, a ministry car! Naama From emeleel at juno.com Wed Jun 11 15:42:21 2003 From: emeleel at juno.com (kiddospage) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:42:21 -0000 Subject: US Residents can get $15 Amazon GC Message-ID: Hi guys - I usually only participate on the main list, but joined for a moment to pass along the following. If you go to http://www.mastercard.com/amazon and register a MasterCard number with them, you will receive a FREE $15 Amazon promo gift certificate! If you don't have a regular MasterCard credit card, you can also use a WebCertificate, a promo MasterCard (one of the "cash" cards you get as a premium for doing something like a test drive of a car) or you can use the PayPal virtual MasterCard, too. Your free GC should arrive within a few hours. The only catch is, you must pay for any balance beyond the $15 with a MasterCard. I finally ordered OoP for delivery - I KNEW there was a reason I kept putting it off, LOL! I had some money in my PayPal account, so I went through their site, used their "Shop Anywhere" virtual Mastercard, and paid the balance that way. Since the money I had in my PP account was basically "free" money from Ebay and other sales, I'm only paying 40 cents out of my own pocket to get Oop, delivered! I'm not going to receive email for this list, so if anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me at emeleel at juno. with "Amazon GC question" in the subject line. Melanie Ellis From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 16:39:08 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:39:08 -0000 Subject: OotP Article in Philly Inquirer Message-ID: Here's a link to a story about the OotP release in today's Philadelphia Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/magazine/daily/6059159.htm Our own Lee Hillman (Gwendolyn Grace) is quoted. I actually talked to this reporter twice, but she only wanted to ask me questions I couldn't answer (no, I don't know whether a paper about Harry getting a sex change is being presented at Nimbus!) or whether I knew teenagers in the region who are Potter fans (I know them online, and they could be anywhere). I noticed that she found her teenaged fans when I read the article. ::sigh:: I just recently dealt with something similar with another Inquirer reporter when I was speaking at a press conference on a completely different topic. I am SO TIRED of reporters writing their stories before they speak to anyone, thinking they know what's going on, and then just interviewing people to fill in the blanks in their stories instead of letting the information they're gathering LEAD them in writing the story. From what I can tell, reporters feel that new information would just disrupt what they already had planned, based on whatever ill-conceived ideas they already had. The reporter who wrote this story also misspelled Lily's name and said that Harry would be sixteen in OotP, which is unlikely--he will be turning fifteen after his fourth year, and if he is sixteen any time during OotP it would mean that JKR is breaking her pattern of ending each book with the end of Harry's summer term, which I find highly unlikely. Anyway, there it is... --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 11 16:38:48 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:38:48 -0000 Subject: US Residents can get $15 Amazon GC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Melanie Ellis wrote: "I usually only participate on the main list, but joined for a moment to pass along the following. If you go to http://www.mastercard.com/amazon and register a MasterCard number with them, you will receive a FREE $15 Amazon promo gift certificate!" me: I got a card in the mail the other day that if one test drives a Passat (VW) then you can get a $50 gift certificate to Amazon.com. So if anyone's interested in a VW it might be an incentive to check them out, and if not then if you're *bored*... Scott Who, along with all his family, drives a loves VWs. Speaking of which I think my little Cabrio might need the oil changed...at least I have something to do while I wait. ;-) From blessedbrian at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 16:50:24 2003 From: blessedbrian at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:50:24 -0000 Subject: Adding Countdown To Ur Desktop (To Melissa) In-Reply-To: <000701c32f9e$67d73080$75856395@vaio> Message-ID: "Brian also said: > Am I the only one with a timer downloaded to my computer (we go > into the single digits tonight!! YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA!!!!)? Where did you get that?! I wanna download one too!" Hi Melissa. I got it at www.mugglenet.com. Just go to their main page and find the counter at the top, where it gives instructions on downloading under "Add this countdown to your desktop!". Can ya believe that it is almost here??!! Brian:-) From siskiou at earthlink.net Wed Jun 11 17:07:44 2003 From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:07:44 -0700 Subject: Parenting mailing lists? Message-ID: <1143020677.20030611100744@earthlink.net> Hi, I was wondering if anyone on this list could recommend a mailing list for parents to talk about their children and ways to help them with problems. Our daughter is (a very "young") eleven, and has some problems with bullies at school. The teacher is completely overwhelmed and has a hard time getting any respect from those certain kids herself, so she has been of no help. Fortunately our daughter has at least a few friends, but it's getting harder for her to keep those friends, since they are all starting to act pretty hormonal, while she is still a kid at heart, and not interested in boy talk and make-up. I've searched the net a bit, but nothing really stood out. I just came across all sorts of very specialized lists. -- Best regards, Susanne mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/ From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 11 18:22:37 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:22:37 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: AOL snippet of OOP (NO SPOILERS in this ADMIN) Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! It has been announced that the snippet released by AOL of book five was NOT APPROVED BY JKR's PUBLISHERS. This means that it is covered by the legal injunction banning any publication of Book V before midnight BST June 21 2003. Therefore, all posts quoting or discussing the text of this snippet have been deleted by the Administration Team. Any further posts discussing or quoting parts of this snippet will also be deleted. This is not in order to spoil anyone's fun. We are in danger of being in contempt of court if we do not make every effort to comply with a legal injunction. Individual posters should note that they may also be in contempt if they knowingly publish part of Book V on a public forum. We apologise to members who will receive the deleted posts via individual e-mail or via digest. It is not technically possible for us to remove posts from digests or recall posts that have already been e-mailed to listmembers. Pippy Elf For the Administration Team From Malady579 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 11 18:42:12 2003 From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:42:12 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Melody! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>Today's birthday honouree is Melody. Birthday owls can be sent >>care of this list or directly to Melody at malady579 at h... >> >>May your day be filled with wonder and magic. > >Meg wanders in, noticing the confetti all over the room. > >"Happy Birthday Melody! Hope it's spectacular! And Sheryll, I have >on good authority that it's your birthday too. So here." ::breaking out in a smile and blushing a bit:: Teehee. Thank you. It was a good day indeed. So good it has taken me two days to get back on track with the lists. :) Melody From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 12 00:19:52 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:19:52 -0000 Subject: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "naamagatus" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" > wrote: > > > Although I didn't have a dream (well, at least not that I can > > remember), I was looking through my local Sunday paper,reading the > > sale flyers, when a certain ad caught my eye; > > > > "D.E. for pool filters". > > > > "Death Eaters for pool filters?", I said. When, in a quick moment > of > > recovery, I realized I wasn't reading anything remotely related to > HP. > > > > I was driving along, when a car squeezed past on my right, in a space > that didn't seem wide enough. My immediate thought response was: wow, > a ministry car! > My husband and daughter and I were talking today about a party we attend almost every summer in northern Wisconsin. I said, "I wonder if the Snyders will be there this year." My daughter asked who they were and I said, "Oh, you know the Snyders ... they're the family with all those kids with red hair. You know, like the Weasleys..." Anne U (who hasn't dreamed about OotP (yet) but who did dream a few weeks ago that she was Hermione and that she and Harry were hanging out at Hogwarts and Dudley was there somehow, but he was giving Harry a wide berth) From Ripleywriter at aol.com Thu Jun 12 01:49:42 2003 From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:49:42 EDT Subject: Treacle fudge and a prediction Message-ID: <30.40e58e53.2c193636@aol.com> So, I just got done rereading CoS last night, and two things occurred to me. What is in treacle fudge? I have no clue, but to my knowledge fudge usually = chocolate. :-) And there's that part where Harry feeds treacle fudge to Fang, and I sat up and thought, "But you're not supposed to give chocolate to dogs!" So, I'm curious what it is if not chocolate... The other thing I noticed goes along with a prediction of mine for Book 5, or any of the books down the line. It's about Trelawney's(sp?) first accurate prediction, and I, along with some other people, I'm sure, figure that she made the first one to Tom Riddle about Harry, and so maybe that's why Voldemort wanted to kill him, because of something she told him. But Tom Riddle in CoS didn't know who Harry Potter was, right, until Ginny told him? Stop me anytime I'm hideously wrong, because my memory is *horrible*. Tom Riddle preserved his 16-year-old self in the diary, and at 16, he doesn't know about Harry Potter, but that still gives him his 7th year to get Trelawney's(I just know I'm spelling that wrong...) prediction. It's just something I noticed. Melly From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 03:58:37 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:58:37 -0000 Subject: OotP Article in Philly Inquirer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "psychic_serpent" wrote: > Here's a link to a story about the OotP release in today's > Philadelphia Inquirer: > > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/magazine/daily/6059159.htm > > Our own Lee Hillman (Gwendolyn Grace) is quoted. I actually talked > to this reporter twice, but she only wanted to ask me questions I > couldn't answer >>snip<< . I am SO TIRED of reporters writing > their stories before they speak to anyone, thinking they know what's > going on, and then just interviewing people to fill in the blanks in > >>snip<< Anyway, there it is... > > --Barb > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent > http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb Oh Barb! You are so right! I first realized that reporters tended to 'color' their stories when I was in eighth grade (that would be, er, about 1974 or so,)when, on a school trip to the state house, we posed for a picture with the son of a famous politician, who also was in politics himself. Well, when the picture was published in the local paper, the caption with the picture actually said things that were not true!! NO, we did NOT have a guided tour of the State house by this man! And No, he did not greet us when we arrived. He just showed up for the photo-op! How appalled I was, especially since we were all from a Catholic school!! Needless to say, it left a bad taste in my mouth, and for a 14 year old, it taught me a lesson or too about the "Real World" a little sooner than I would have. Oh well, I guess things haven't changed much in 29 years. Anna . . .(who just realized that I'm middle aged! Blah!) From angelsong76 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 05:22:19 2003 From: angelsong76 at yahoo.com (Angel) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:22:19 -0000 Subject: Registration for Nimbus 2003 for sale! Message-ID: Hi everyone! I have a registration for Nimbus 2003 to sell for $150. I paid $230 for it and now I can't cancel. My new job won't let me off work for that weekend. If you are interested, please contact me at AngelSong76 at hotmail.com Thanks! From risako at nexusanime.com Thu Jun 12 06:02:46 2003 From: risako at nexusanime.com (Melissa McCarthy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:02:46 -0300 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Adding Countdown To Ur Desktop (To Melissa) References: Message-ID: <026001c330a8$3fdea260$52836395@vaio> > I got it at www.mugglenet.com. Just go to their main page and find > the counter at the top, where it gives instructions on downloading > under "Add this countdown to your desktop!". ::squeals:: Thanks! :) Now I'll be glued to the computer for the next 8 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 21 seconds.... > Can ya believe that it is almost here??!! No! but in a good way! Melissa, counting down... From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 06:29:29 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:29:29 -0000 Subject: Treacle fudge Recipes In-Reply-To: <30.40e58e53.2c193636@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote: > > ...edited... > > What is in treacle fudge? ... to my knowledge fudge usually = > chocolate. :-) So, I'm curious what it is if not chocolate... > > ...edited... > > Melly From- http://www.mugglenet.com/misc/rosmertas/treaclefudge.shtml Remember that treacle is another name for molasses. Treacle Fudge is a sweet treat from Mrs. Weasley or a tooth-breaker from Hagrid. Be sure yours doesn't get too hard! (Many thanks to Aurora for this recipe) Ingredients: * ? cup light cream or evaporated milk (1/2 cup) * ? cup firmly packed brown sugar (3/4 cup) * ? teaspoon salt (1/4 tsp) * 4 ounces of unsweetened chocolate * 2 tablespoos unsalted butter * 1/3 cup molasses Directions: Step 1: In a large bowl, mix cream, brown sugar and salt together. Step 2: In a saucepan, melt the chocolate and butter together. Remove from heat and add molasses. Step 3: Add the chocolate mixtures and cream mixtures together. Pour mixture into a pan and let cool. Step 4: Cut into squares after cooled and serve. Enjoy! Also- http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/glutenfree/Treacle_Fudge.html A few cool English/Scottish recipes- http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/9412/Recipe_Index.html More HP recipes- http://www.geocities.com/snapesgirl34/recipes.html If you are looking for authentic ingredients like 'golden syrup', you don't have to go all the way to Europe to get them. There are stores in Canada that sell them, and there are many 'British' stores in the USA that specialize in British food products. Links from a previous discussion in this group about sources of British food. Post# 14733: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/14733 Just a few thoughts. bboy_mn From Ripleywriter at aol.com Thu Jun 12 06:37:57 2003 From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:37:57 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Treacle fudge Recipes Message-ID: <1a7.158a3ef4.2c1979c5@aol.com> ....Wow. Wowy wow. Lots of links! I had no idea it was so easy, I just might make me a batch of fudge. :-) So, I'm a bit confused, though--it *has* chocolate in it? 'Cause I've heard many times you're not supposed to feed chocolate to dogs, it can kill them, because to them it's a poison, and it's also one for us, but it's not strong enough to kill us (strong enough to kill dogs, though). I think this is an actual fact--lol, of course, I've never tested it, and haven't known of any actual dogs who have died from consuming chocolate. Have to say I'm glad of that. So was it a no-no for Harry to give the treacle fudge to Fang? Maybe the kind Hagrid had didn't have chocolate in it? All I remember is 'treacle fudge'. Don't remember a mention of chocolate. Melly From drednort at alphalink.com.au Thu Jun 12 07:01:29 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:01:29 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Treacle fudge Recipes In-Reply-To: <1a7.158a3ef4.2c1979c5@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EE8B1E9.1714.179754A@localhost> On 12 Jun 2003 at 2:37, Ripleywriter at aol.com wrote: > > ....Wow. Wowy wow. Lots of links! I had no idea it was so easy, I just might > make me a batch of fudge. :-) > > So, I'm a bit confused, though--it *has* chocolate in it? 'Cause I've heard > many times you're not supposed to feed chocolate to dogs, it can kill them, > because to them it's a poison, and it's also one for us, but it's not strong > enough to kill us (strong enough to kill dogs, though). Chocolate contains theobromine. If too much theobromine builds up in a mammal's system, it can lead to cardiac arrest. Humans metabolise theobromine pretty quickly - dogs do so only slowly - but they can metabolise it. For a dog to die of chocolate poisoning it needs to have a reasonably large amount in a reasonably short time. If a dog only has a small amount of chocolate, it's not likely to do any harm. You should certainly avoid giving a dog chocolate - there's no sense in playing around with amounts - but plenty of dogs have had chocolate over the years with no ill effects. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From trinity61us at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 08:06:16 2003 From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (Alex Fox) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:06:16 -0000 Subject: OOP reading on the AOL homepage! Message-ID: Whay hasn't anyone even talked about this? It was a 2 minute reading from the book? From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 08:38:57 2003 From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (Cristina Rebelo Angelo) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:38:57 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP reading on the AOL homepage! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex Fox Whay hasn't anyone even talked about this? It was a 2 minute reading from the book? [Cristina Rebelo Angelo] Guess everybody was too busy in the main list, deciding whether it was legal or not to discuss it... I think it's still a bit blurry whether it's been really really sanctioned by JKR, but it definitely sounds like it was an excerpt from Jim Dale. ************************** Cristina Rebelo ?ngelo Any attached file not mentioned in the body of the message may be a virus; if present, delete it for the sake of your computer, and inform the sender. Thank you. "Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour tracer un chemin/ Et forcer le destin/ A chaque carrefour Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour parler aux canons/ Et rien qu'une chanson/ Pour coinvancre un tambour Alors sans avoir rien/ Que la force d'aimer/ Nous aurons dans nos mains/ Amis le monde entier" J.Brel 1956 ICQ 106.255.886 HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jun 12 09:01:03 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:01:03 -0000 Subject: An astronomical observation Message-ID: Couldn't sleep last night, and was looking out at the stars. I don't know if any of you intend to be up and about at midnight in the next couple of weeks, but if you are, and live in British latitudes, you might be interested to know that the head of the constellation Draco will be directly overhead at that time. Just in case you are interested. David From trinity61us at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 11:16:14 2003 From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 04:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030612111614.96548.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> I work at a pizza parlor, and the other day I had to let the other girl take over the cash register for just such a situation... A family walked in with red-haired twin boys , tall and gangly , and a little red red haired girl. I lost it. I later on, when it turned out to be a fun family, said something to them, and they LOVED the comparisons! All of them fans of HP! Too cool! Alex Fox Anne wrote:My husband and daughter and I were talking today about a party we attend almost every summer in northern Wisconsin. I said, "I wonder if the Snyders will be there this year." My daughter asked who they were and I said, "Oh, you know the Snyders ... they're the family with all those kids with red hair. You know, like the Weasleys Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 12:49:28 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:49:28 -0000 Subject: OOP reading on the AOL homepage! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex Fox wrote: Why hasn't anyone even talked about this? It was a 2 minute reading from the book? Me: People WERE talking about it. Those posts have been deleted. It is a legal matter between AOL and the publishers. My husband did point out, however, that AOL is owned by Time/Warner. As Warner Bros. may considered itself to be the owner of the Potter franchise, this could explain why someone at AOL thought there wouldn't be a problem with posting this. Sounds like some wires were seriously crossed and some lawyers will be very busy for a while sorting this out. It's not long now--next Saturday! Hang in there, everyone. --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 12 13:26:56 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:26:56 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP reading on AOL homepage Message-ID: <4e.1d997b94.2c19d9a0@aol.com> In a message dated 6/12/2003 4:45:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > Alex Fox > Whay hasn't anyone even talked about this? It was a 2 minute reading > from the book? > It's on Amazon.com, too, a day after the "hoopla" over it and the textual version being online at all. I don't understand why we can LISTEN to it but not read it. That's just weird. It wouldn't be hard to record it and transcribe it if we were so inclined, so why leave the verbal one? Curious. Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 13:30:23 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:30:23 -0000 Subject: An astronomical observation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David wrote: > I don't know if any of you intend to be up and about at midnight in > the next couple of weeks, but if you are, and live in British > latitudes, you might be interested to know that the head of the > constellation Draco will be directly overhead at that time. > > Just in case you are interested. I wonder if there is astronomical significance to JKR's choosing the summer (antipodean winter) solstice for OoP's release? And will Mars be bright that night? (Apparently not, but the baleful influence of Saturn might be felt later in the week.) Amy Z who can find Sirius and not much else, but will look for Draco tonight From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 13:37:45 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:37:45 -0000 Subject: HP Cake Re: You Know You're HP-Obsessed When... In-Reply-To: <20030612111614.96548.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had the most wonderful evening last Friday, when we had the final gathering of our youth group (I'm moving to California shortly). One of the girls is almost as HP-obsessed as I am and kept saying to my co-leader, "Is it time for me to bring up Harry Potter yet?" I thought she was just making fun of my tendency to bring up HP a propos of nothing. Nope, turns out she was waiting for the cue to bring in the cake . . . . . . which was star-shaped with green frosting, featured a candle of Harry mixing something in his cauldron, and was decorated with little candies in the shape of glasses and lightning bolts. She made it herself (not the candle and the candies. Those you get by walking up to a store clerk and saying "do you have any Snitches?" [they didn't]). It was the best cake I ever had. HappySad!Amy Z ----- 10...9...8... From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 12 14:00:01 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:00:01 -0000 Subject: Adding Countdown To Ur Desktop (To Melissa) In-Reply-To: <026001c330a8$3fdea260$52836395@vaio> Message-ID: I have a question - once the Countdown is downloaded to the desktop, how do you move it around? And, what happens to it when the book comes out and you want to take it _off_ your desktop? I just downloaded it, but this thought crossed my mind... Cheers! Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny :) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melissa McCarthy" wrote: > > I got it at www.mugglenet.com. Just go to their main page and find > > the counter at the top, where it gives instructions on downloading > > under "Add this countdown to your desktop!". > > ::squeals:: Thanks! :) Now I'll be glued to the computer for the next 8 > days, 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 21 seconds.... > > > Can ya believe that it is almost here??!! > > No! but in a good way! > > Melissa, counting down... From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Jun 12 14:59:52 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:59:52 -0000 Subject: Goodness, It's So Quiet! Message-ID: Hi, Is it me, or is there hardly any OoP marketing buzz? There's barely a week to go before publication, and I haven't seen any media promotion at all. Very strange. Cindy From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Jun 12 14:58:19 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:58:19 -0000 Subject: OOP reading on the AOL homepage! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, does anyone have a link to any articles about this injunction or temporary restraining order or whatever it was that caused this fracas? I have some idle curiosity about how a court can issue something that might constrain fans from discussing a piece of a book, even if it was obtained illegally. Cindy -- who finds interesting legal issues everywhere she looks From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Thu Jun 12 15:16:35 2003 From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:16:35 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goodness, It's So Quiet! Message-ID: <111.24886b69.2c19f353@aol.com> I've seen some posters...and there's going to be a party and at Barnes and Noble here the day before the book comes out-midnight. Other than that, I haven't heard/seen any major publicity. I agree, it is odd... ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From heidit at netbox.com Thu Jun 12 15:33:17 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:33:17 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goodness, It's So Quiet! Message-ID: Well, they've managed to sell millions of books without much pr. Regular readers of The Leaky Cauldron know that there's a huge blitz planned for after the release, at least by Scholastic around the us, including Harry Potter Days - with giveaways - at various baseball games, and adverts and such. In the uk, much press is focused on the reading jkr is set to give at the royal albert hall about a week after the release. So there is stuff out there - it's just that there will be more later. -----Original Message----- From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:16:35 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goodness, It's So Quiet! Real-To: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com I've seen some posters...and there's going to be a party and at Barnes and Noble here the day before the book comes out-midnight. Other than that, I haven't heard/seen any major publicity. I agree, it is odd... ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From heidit at netbox.com Thu Jun 12 15:45:26 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:45:26 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP reading on the AOL homepage! Message-ID: If you go to the-leaky-cauldron.org and do a search for The Sun you'll be able to find articles about the injunction. Technically, we can discuss the info, as long as we don't use the words from the book. This is, obviously, based on uk law, but is similar in point to US copyright law post-Ford, in which a weekly newsmagazine infringed on former Pres Ford's copyright in his memoirs by publishing an excerpt therefrom before the publication of the memoirs. And, similarly, right now, Hillary clinton's counsel is reportedly looking into similar action against the AP for distributing part of her memoirs before they were published; she would also claim copyright infringement. Of course, in the UK, they also have moral rights issues that travel with copyright infringement allegations, which say that jkr has rights to have her work not taken out of context or altered - arguably, in the uk, transcripts of the snippet would constitute such alteration. However, from what we've learned at tlc overnight, the sound clip is now authorised (although I recommend checking tlc to make sure) and thus, discussion without transcription could now be fine. -----Original Message----- From: "Cindy C." Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:58:19 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP reading on the AOL homepage! Real-To: "Cindy C." Hey, does anyone have a link to any articles about this injunction or temporary restraining order or whatever it was that caused this fracas? I have some idle curiosity about how a court can issue something that might constrain fans from discussing a piece of a book, even if it was obtained illegally. Cindy -- who finds interesting legal issues everywhere she looks ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 16:38:01 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ladi=20lyndi?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:38:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Legal issue: (was Re: OOP reading on the AOL homepage! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030612163801.35278.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Cindy wrote: > Hey, does anyone have a link to any articles > about this injunction or > temporary restraining order or whatever it was > that caused this > fracas? I have some idle curiosity about how a > court can issue > something that might constrain fans from > discussing a piece of a > book, even if it was obtained illegally. Lynn: Well, I suppose the court could have issued a gag order but that's usually specific - such as the attorneys and principals can't discuss something but the media can still go wild. I'm assuming that the injunction is regarding the reprinting or, in this case, replaying the recording, without the expressed permission of Scholastic, Bloomsbury or JKR. It wouldn't cover any discussion about anything that's been leaked as long as there aren't any quotes of the material. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 16:41:51 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ladi=20lyndi?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:41:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goodness, It's So Quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030612164151.76950.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Cindy wrote: > Hi, > > Is it me, or is there hardly any OoP marketing > buzz? There's barely > a week to go before publication, and I haven't > seen any media > promotion at all. > > Very strange. Lynn: I think the big push will come once the book is actually out. All of the obsessed fans already know about it and perhaps the publishers want to get the masses of rabid fans out of the way so we won't intimidate the new readers they want to reach. LOL That may be why some of the announced promotions are happening after the launch date. Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 12 17:08:39 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:08:39 -0000 Subject: OotP publishing trivia In-Reply-To: <20030612164151.76950.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of trivia about the publication of OotP... a friend of mine lives in northeastern Wisconsin, near Peshtigo. She told me that a particular paper mill in or near Peshtigo had been contracted to provide ALL of the paper for OotP (apparently this is a big story in that area) --- all postconsumer (recycled) paper too. At least that's how I remember her telling it. I could try to look it up online. My response to her was something like: Let's see, 896 pages times 8 MILLION copies (first run) equals all the trees within 100 miles of Peshtigo! Anne U (glad to hear it's postconsumer paper; I wouldn't want OotP to devastate the ecosystem) From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 12 17:13:43 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goodness, It's So Quiet! In-Reply-To: <20030612164151.76950.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030612171343.12435.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Ladi lyndi wrote: --- "Cindy wrote: > Hi, > > Is it me, or is there hardly any OoP marketing > buzz? There's barely > a week to go before publication, and I haven't > seen any media > promotion at all. > > Very strange. I think you would have to be avoiding all bookstore fronts, newspapers and news items to avoid hearing about this book. As it's the fifth book, and it's been three years since the last one, anyone who wants to read it should be aware about it. It'd be different if it were earlier in the series. Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bruney200 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 17:40:04 2003 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:40:04 -0000 Subject: Who is from Tampa? Message-ID: Hey guys who lives in Tampa and is going to Barnes and Nobles on the 20th 21st at midnight? I would love to get together that day and be able to stand in line with someone i know since my family are going to be out of town that weekend. Tasha From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 17:46:27 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:46:27 -0000 Subject: Treacle fudge Recipes (Good Threads) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at a... wrote: > > > > > > What is in treacle fudge? ... > > > > > > Melly > > From- > http://www.mugglenet.com/misc/rosmertas/treaclefudge.shtml > > Remember that treacle is another name for molasses. > > ...edited... > > Links from a previous discussion in this group about sources of > British food. > Post# 14733: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/14733 > > Just a few thoughts. > > bboy_mn bboy_mn: Well, I might be doing a bit of my own horn blowing here, but for any new people, the link to post# 14733 really will take you to time in the group when a couple of really good threads were going about British food. It was so interesting that last night when I looked up the link, I re-read all of a couple of threads on the subject. These threads occurred at near the end of March and the beginning of April. Harry's Sweets- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/14729 Sugar Mice, Acid Pops, Peppermint Humbugs are real candy in the UK Slang and HP- (eventual breaks into a thread about food) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/14445 Pies, puddings, biscuits and tarts-((part of the above thread) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/14527 Thought some new people might have some fun with this. bboy_mn From heidit at netbox.com Thu Jun 12 18:17:45 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:17:45 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Who is from Tampa? Message-ID: Tasha, you might want to join hp4gu-florida at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hp4gu-florida, where there are a few dozen Floridians - including some from Tampa. And are you coming to Nimbus - 2003 in Orlando from July 17-20? -----Original Message----- From: "Tasha" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:40:04 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Who is from Tampa? Real-To: "Tasha" Hey guys who lives in Tampa and is going to Barnes and Nobles on the 20th 21st at midnight? I would love to get together that day and be able to stand in line with someone i know since my family are going to be out of town that weekend. Tasha ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From bruney200 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 18:32:35 2003 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (tasha) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Who is from Tampa? Message-ID: <20030612183235.20203.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Heidi Tasha Heidi Tandy wrote: Tasha, you might want to join hp4gu-florida at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hp4gu-florida, where there are a few dozen Floridians - including some from Tampa. And are you coming to Nimbus - 2003 in Orlando from July 17-20? -----Original Message----- From: "Tasha" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:40:04 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Who is from Tampa? Real-To: "Tasha" Hey guys who lives in Tampa and is going to Barnes and Nobles on the 20th 21st at midnight? I would love to get together that day and be able to stand in line with someone i know since my family are going to be out of town that weekend. Tasha ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. 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Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarryPotterRocksatHogwarts2/ To those who love Harry Potter need to join this group. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 20:04:16 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:04:16 -0000 Subject: Question: Nimbus 2003 - Summary? Message-ID: Just out of curiousity, is someone creating a website or has someone volunteered to write an essay summarizing the events that occurred at the Nimbus 2003 for those of us who are unable to attend? Just a thought. bboy_mn From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 12 20:57:51 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:57:51 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: AOL snippet of OOP (NO SPOILERS in this ADMIN) Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! The snippet of Book Five has now been restored to AOL and Amazon.com. However, there is still a legal injunction banning any publication of Book V before midnight BST June 21 2003. Listmembers are reminded that transcribing or quoting any part of Book V on this board could be legally defined as publication. Therefore, all posts quoting the text of this snippet have been deleted by the Administration Team. Any further posts quoting parts of this snippet will also be deleted. Our legal understanding is that you are allowed to discuss the snippet, providing you can work out how to do so without quoting even one word from it. We are not saying this in order to spoil anyone's fun. We are in danger of being in contempt of court if we do not make every effort to comply with a legal injunction. Individual posters should note that they may also be in contempt if they knowingly publish part of Book V on a public forum. In the eight days remaining, there may be other `leaked' segments appearing. Please DO NOT TRANSCRIBE them and publish them on this list. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PUBLISH ANY PART OF BOOK V BEFORE JUNE 21. On and after June 21 2003, the `reasonable quotation' rules will be in effect. We apologise to members who have received any deleted posts via individual e-mail or via digest. It is not technically possible for us to remove posts from digests or recall posts that have already been e-mailed to listmembers. Listmembers are also reminded that spoiler prefixes are in operation. Any listmember who does not use the OOP: header prefix for a post containing information released about Book V will be headed for a short trip to Mr. Filch's office. Pippy Elf For the Administration Team From heidit at netbox.com Thu Jun 12 21:00:11 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:00:11 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question: Nimbus 2003 - Summary? Message-ID: Well, Nimbus - 2003 has a website already, at http://www.hp200e.org, and after the event, we'll be publishing the proceedings. Some will be available on that site, and it's possible that a complete version will be available for purchase sometime after August. We're also working out a way of posting news and updates from the event to our livejournal, at http://www.livejournal.com/~hp_orlando. We'll keep y'all posted! Heidi Tandy *Ask me about Nimbus - 2003* Http://www.hp2003.org -----Original Message----- From: "Steve" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:04:16 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question: Nimbus 2003 - Summary? Real-To: "Steve" Just out of curiousity, is someone creating a website or has someone volunteered to write an essay summarizing the events that occurred at the Nimbus 2003 for those of us who are unable to attend? Just a thought. bboy_mn ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From innermurk at catlover.com Thu Jun 12 21:51:14 2003 From: innermurk at catlover.com (innermurk) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:51:14 -0000 Subject: Spacy awards Message-ID: Hey, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, because I don't get daily emails from this site. Anywhooo....HPCOS the movie, is up for two of the Spacy awards. Go vote for it!!!! The catagories it's nominated for are: Favorite Movie Hero Favorite Creature Character Here's the link: http://www.spacecast.com/spaceys/ The voting ends on June 13th :) Thanks, Innermurk From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jun 12 21:55:52 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:55:52 -0000 Subject: OOP reading on AOL homepage In-Reply-To: <4e.1d997b94.2c19d9a0@aol.com> Message-ID: Lynda wrote: > It's on Amazon.com, too, a day after the "hoopla" over it and the textual > version being online at all. Am I right in thinking you have to download RealPlayer to listen to it? I couldn't get QuickTime or Media Player to play ball. David, who missed all the action yesterday and thinking he might get to hear it before OOP release if he's lucky From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 12 22:36:50 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:36:50 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP reading on AOL home page Message-ID: <1ab.1628d848.2c1a5a82@aol.com> In a message dated 6/12/2003 6:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > >It's on Amazon.com, too, a day after the "hoopla" over it and the > textual > >version being online at all. > > Am I right in thinking you have to download RealPlayer to listen to > it? I couldn't get QuickTime or Media Player to play ball. > I have Real Player and Windows Media player, so I didn't have a problem. I also saw it on Amazon.com, where it gave the choice of Windows Media Player or Real Player, and I chose Windows and that one didn't work, but the Real player did. The Real Player is worth the download (and it's free, as I recall) -- lots of interviews, etc., are viewable via Real Player -- you miss a lot of fun without it! Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From elfundeb at comcast.net Thu Jun 12 22:39:56 2003 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:39:56 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Nimbus Fundraiser - 2d Update Message-ID: Hi all -- We, the HPFGU Admin Team, are excited to update you on the progress of our fundraising since we last repeated the fundraising appeal message. Thanks in large part to a *very* generous donation from an individual (who wishes to remain anonymous) we have now raised a total of $1500. This will allow HPFGU to sponsor a small event or item, plus some programming. We've reached the last moments of the fundraising drive -- it ends Sunday, June 15 -- but if we could raise an additional $500, we could increase our presence at Nimbus. You can find details on how to make your donation below. No sponsorship would have been possible without your generous support, and once again we thank all who have donated. *********** Over the last four years, HP4GU has been the best online source for in-depth, mature discussion of all things Potter. The list has burgeoned to 7,000 members, more than twelve sister and regional lists, and the finest collection of Fantastic Posts essays about HP that one can locate on the web. Regional meetings are no longer so regional. In New York City, Chicago, London, Germany and all over the world in fact, we have met, sometimes in handfuls, sometimes in large numbers. And now, this summer, Harry Potter fans take the next step. More than 400 fans will converge on Orlando, Florida, to create the single largest gathering yet, at the *first ever* symposium centered solely on Harry Potter. But you know all this - or you do if you've been around lately. What you might not know is that Nimbus - 2003 needs HP4GU's help. And HP4GU needs your help. This vitally important first year's symposium - and therefore future symposia - depends on your support. Many people have said things like, "Well, I can't afford Nimbus this year, so I'll wait for next year." We certainly understand if you can't attend this year. But, if you can't go this time, there's an easy way you can help ensure that there is a next time. When the Nimbus - 2003 team formed in June of 2002, they envisioned an event that would set the tone. They saw the groundwork for future events, perhaps even eventually large enough to rent our own castle in Scotland for a long week-end. If event after event can prove our sincerity and our integrity, then perhaps we will win the respect of WB, JKR's agents, and even JKR herself. We could position this chain of symposia to become the official convention for adults, and possibly even become the preferred symposium for pursuit of the books. But without fan support, none of that can happen. Corporate sponsorship, which the event's organizers believed would be a natural source of funding, has not materialized as anticipated. Even corporations with significant ties to HP merchandise have been uninterested. The Nimbus - 2003 team attributes this to changing relationships of licensees to WB, the struggle of an unhistoried, untested event, and of course the general economy and world situation. Despite their hope that they would be able to supplement registrations with corporate contributions and lift the burden from the fans, the team finds themselves in need of grassroots assistance. Since Nimbus is the event that HP4GU inspired, they have turned to us, as well as the corners of the fandom, for that help. That is why, in addition to lending its reputation and support to Nimbus - 2003, we at HP4GU would like to make that support financial and be an official Nimbus "Symposium Sponsor." Nimbus offers Symposium Sponsorhip at the level of $15,000 (USD). That sounds like a lot. But remember how we said that the list boasts over 7,000 members? That means that if only half of you are able to donate $5 apiece, HP4GU can realize its goal. If you can give more, please give more, because we know there are those among you who cannot give any, much as you might like to. This sponsorship would pay for: ** Internet cafe, so that attendees and presenters can connect with HP fans around the world who are unable to attend Nimbus - 2003. Cost includes computer rental and internet access costs. [$5,000] ** Coverage of honoraria, hotel, and airfare for the Special Guests, including: Judith Krug, Connie Neal, John Granger, Philip Nel, and Roger Highfield [$3,500] ** Coverage of the Judith Krug Keynote Luncheon (Judith Krug is the Director of the Office of Intellectual Freedom for the American Library Association and will speak on the subject of censorship and book banning, with reference to Harry Potter in particular) [$3,000] ** The Farewell Breakfast on Sunday [$2,500] ** Welcoming Feast and Meet-and-Greet on Thursday night [$1,000] Moreover, for those of you who are U.S. taxpayers, your donation to the HP4GU Nimbus - 2003 sponsorship may be tax-deductible. HP Education Fanon, Inc., the company created to oversee these periodic recurring symposia, has been granted tax-exempt 501(c)(3) status as an educational organization. That means your contribution carries the same advantages to you as a donation to your local charity of choice. We hope you will be part of the only event to grow out of the excellent, deep, shocking, and hilarious conversations you've enjoyed online. Be part of the vision shared by list member, elf, geist, and moderator alike. Even if you can't attend - even if you will - you have a chance to help make Harry Potter history. With your help, we can continue to prove that HP4GU is one of the best HP communities around - on the Web, or in person. With your help, that reputation will only be heightened, through the contact with and exchange between fans and academics and professionals who are equally enamoured of the books and all they represent. Plus, you'll be helping to create an amazing reality which for some will reinforce - or *create* - longstanding friendships and new communities. To make a donation, simply send funds via paypal to: hpfgu-donate at hp2003.org Or, if you prefer, you may send your donation (whether in US funds or other currency) to: Harry Potter Symposium - 2003 PO Box 18769 Rochester, NY 14618-0769 We hope that whether you can join us or not, you will consider making a contribution to show your support - not just for this year's event, but to ensure the future of any other similar conferences brought to you on behalf of *your* email list: HPforGrownups. Yours in anticipation of Nimbus - 2003, The HP4GU Administration Team P.S. Don't forget, only $5 from you will do the trick! Follow this link (http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/nimbus-2003) to contribute to a Nimbus - 2003 Symposium Sponsorship today! From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 23:12:49 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Jim Message-ID: <20030612231249.98151.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> *puts down the box of chocolate liqueurs, hiccups delicately and starts hanging the lairy fights...flairy...um, fairy lights* Remind me not to start the relaxing before decorating for parties! Today's birthday honouree is Jim Flanagan. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu I hope you day is filled with everything magical and wonderful. Happy Birthday, Jim! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jun 12 23:16:03 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:16:03 -0000 Subject: OOP reading on AOL home page - gone? In-Reply-To: <1ab.1628d848.2c1a5a82@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > I > also saw it on Amazon.com, where it gave the choice of Windows Media Player or > Real Player, and I chose Windows and that one didn't work, but the Real player > did. The Real Player is worth the download (and it's free, as I recall) -- > lots of interviews, etc., are viewable via Real Player -- you miss a lot of > fun without it! It was Amazon I tried. They only had the RA choice that I could see. But I've just gone back and I think they've taken it down so perhaps Scholastic/Bloomsbury have decided even the audio clip is off-limits. Doubtless TLC will have the details IDC. I was intending to download RealPlayer at work tomorrow (I don't fancy doing it at home over a 56k modem). Oh well... David From smotgreg at hotmail.com Fri Jun 13 04:23:44 2003 From: smotgreg at hotmail.com (Greg Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:23:44 -0700 Subject: Vanity Fair Article Message-ID: After seeing the picture on the web, I checked out the article while cruising Borders, waiting for book 5. It didn't say much about the trio, just a short question and answer tag. I squirmed for Rupert who said his favorite male actor was Spongebob Squarepants. OK, I know he's all of 13, but still, I was hoping for something with a little more maturity to it. Anyway, at least Emma had the grace to answer "neither" to the question of Britany or Christina? Who comes up with these questions anyway? After reading the article, I really have to admire the Olsen twins (Mary Kate and Ashley). For years I wrote them off as an airheaded, Hollywoodized duo, but they seem to have their feet firmly planted under them in the building of their empire. The rest of the teens in the article I had no clue about, and felt oddly old and unhip. But then, it's a feeling I'm getting used to. Stacie _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Meliss9900 at aol.com Fri Jun 13 04:39:00 2003 From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:39:00 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Vanity Fair Article Message-ID: In a message dated 6/12/2003 11:25:40 PM Central Standard Time, smotgreg at hotmail.com writes: > I squirmed for Rupert who said his > favorite male actor was Spongebob Squarepants. OK, I know he's all of 13, > but still, I was hoping for something with a little more maturity to it. Rupert is supposed to be 15 in Aug. In all the actors are seperated by a year each. Rupert will be 15 in Aug, Dan 14 in July and Emma just turned 13 in Apr. I will admit to cringing at a thing or 2 that he has sadi in interviews. Particulary that "the teachers suck up". . kinda asking for trouble in school I'd imagine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 12:50:07 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OotP publishing trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030613125007.28227.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> --- Anne wrote: > Speaking of trivia about the publication of OotP... > a friend of mine > lives in northeastern Wisconsin, near Peshtigo. She > told me that a > particular paper mill in or near Peshtigo had been > contracted to > provide ALL of the paper for OotP (apparently this > is a big story in > that area) --- all postconsumer (recycled) paper > too. At least that's > how I remember her telling it. I could try to look > it up online. My > response to her was something like: Let's see, 896 > pages times 8 > MILLION copies (first run) equals all the trees > within 100 miles of > Peshtigo! > > Anne U > (glad to hear it's postconsumer paper; I wouldn't > want OotP to > devastate the ecosystem) This is interesting. I was sure I'd read something in one of our Ottawa papers saying the Raincoast books editions were being printed on recycled paper. IIRC, the article gave the impression that Raincoast was the only publisher doing this. Must make a trip out to my recycle bin after work and see if I still have the article somewhere. Sheryll ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 13 14:36:09 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:36:09 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Vanity Fair Article References: Message-ID: <00e901c331b9$21e2d350$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> In a message dated 6/12/2003 11:25:40 PM Central Standard Time, smotgreg at hotmail.com writes: > > I squirmed for Rupert who said his > > favorite male actor was Spongebob Squarepants. OK, I know he's all of 13, > > but still, I was hoping for something with a little more maturity to it. Meliss9900 at aol.com added: > Rupert is supposed to be 15 in Aug. In all the actors are seperated by a > year each. Rupert will be 15 in Aug, Dan 14 in July and Emma just turned 13 in > Apr. > > I will admit to cringing at a thing or 2 that he has sadi in interviews. > Particulary that "the teachers suck up". . kinda asking for trouble in school > I'd imagine. Actually, Rupert said Spongebob Squarepants was his favorite guy's guy AND his idol. Oh, please. Rupert, you are almost FIFTEEN! Spongebob is not real. Okay, I know he knows that, but still, can your idol really be a cartoon character? At least Daniel said his idol was someone he actually has met and is currently working with on PoA. Plus, look at their favorite authors. Rupert said his was J.K. Rowling. Okay, so I'd probably say that too. Daniel said Iain Banks. Ah, originality. :) Well, teens will be teens, I suppose. No use to grow up too quickly. Oh, but about that "teacher sucking up" thing from Rupert--it wasn't long after that he returned to school and got detention. Officially for leaving his gym equipment or something. However, in one of the Japanese interviews, Daniel Radcliffe was asked about school, and answered in his usual polite way. David Heyman interjected the comment about Rupert (which was the first Daniel had said of it) and actually said he got detention *because* he said his teachers suck up. So I think the general thought is that the teachers were looking for an excuse--pay back. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Jun 13 14:46:00 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:46:00 -0000 Subject: Friday night Message-ID: On the London list we have been discussing the possibility of a get- together on the night of Friday 20th. I have decided not to participate, partly for a variety of practical reasons to do with transport and the need not to be too tired on Saturday. But even without these practical constraints, I don't think I'd want to do it. Basically, I want to go into a bookshop, get the book, take it home and then read it when I can. I think I have a marginal preference for doing that in the daytime, but if I went at midnight I'd still ignore all the other customers in the shop and hope they'd ignore me. After I've read the book I'll discuss online and offline, of course. Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? David From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 13 14:57:51 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:57:51 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Friday night References: Message-ID: <011301c331bc$2b5aa7c0$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> David wrote: > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this > hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, > and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? I really doubt there is much in the way of get togethers around here anyway, but I didn't even check. I'd love a get together later on or something, but not for this. I'm going to Barnes & Noble at midnight, but just with one close friend. Actually we're meeting at 6:30 and going to dinner and shopping first. Mainly to keep my occupied so I don't hyperventilate or something. She's the one who started my on HP, though she's not as obsessive as I am. Of course, she has a husband and three small children, and I don't. :) I'd be content to go by myself, but all of my family seemed to think that was a bad idea. Please. I *can* take care of myself. But, this will keep them happy anyway. So, no, I don't think you're abnormal at all. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alexpie at aol.com Fri Jun 13 15:01:20 2003 From: alexpie at aol.com (alexpie at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:01:20 EDT Subject: Spongebob Rupert (Was Vanity Fair) Message-ID: <12a.2c0598d4.2c1b4140@aol.com> Greg Johnson wrote: >I squirmed for Rupert who said his >favorite male actor was Spongebob Squarepants. OK, I know he's all of 13, >but still, I was hoping for something with a little more maturity to it. Ba writes: But what could be more mature than giving a silly, noncommital answer to such a question? I don't think he was in the least serious--I think he was avoiding picking Rickman over Branagh over Harris over Smith and on and on. Wouldn't you? Ba [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 13 15:17:17 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:17:17 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spongebob Rupert (Was Vanity Fair) References: <12a.2c0598d4.2c1b4140@aol.com> Message-ID: <012c01c331be$e10cb700$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> Ba writes: > But what could be more mature than giving a silly, noncommital answer to such > a question? I don't think he was in the least serious--I think he was > avoiding picking Rickman over Branagh over Harris over Smith and on and on. > Wouldn't you? But the question wasn't who was his favorite actor. It was who was his favorite guy's guy and who was his idol. Both answers were Spongebob Squarepants. If you're that afraid of naming someone you know, say it's your dad or grandmother or something. The point is, the others gave serious answers. If Rupert's answers weren't serious, there was nothing to indicate such. I doubt deep down his idol is really Spongebob, but he really should give it some thought and come up with something practical. Oh, and Rupert's pet peeves? Vegetables, exams, homework, and school. Err. okay. Aren't pet peeves supposed to be specific things? Like Daniel said "Being patronized." And Emma said "When the radio interrupts a song before it's finished." I think Rupert definitely wants everyone to know he doesn't like school. Got that yet? :) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From selene at earthlink.net Fri Jun 13 15:16:37 2003 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:16:37 -0700 Subject: An astronomical observation Message-ID: <3EE9EAD5.C4B8CDD1@earthlink.net> David wrote: > I don't know if any of you intend to be up and about at midnight in > the next couple of weeks, but if you are, and live in British > latitudes, you might be interested to know that the head of the > constellation Draco will be directly overhead at that time. Draco is one of the north polar constellations; as such, Draco is always there over Britain! >I wonder if there is astronomical significance to JKR's choosing the >summer (antipodean winter) solstice for OoP's release? To be technically correct, I believe that the Sun enters Cancer at 9:11 a.m. on the morning of 22 June, so I think not. The thought process I recall was to make it NOT A SCHOOL NIGHT as would be Harry's Birthday, Tuesday 1 July. >And will Mars be bright that night? Probably! Mars enters Pisces on 17 June; that's five signs away from Cancer which means it is just east of overhead at midnight, the night we'll all be up 'til midnight at least! >(Apparently not, but the baleful influence of >Saturn might be felt later in the week.) Oh, I don't know, Saturn is in Trine with the Mars on 22 June, that's a benevolent aspect. Susan Fox-Davis From selene at earthlink.net Fri Jun 13 15:16:58 2003 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:16:58 -0700 Subject: Goodness, It's So Quiet! Message-ID: <3EE9EAEA.BD4AD301@earthlink.net> --- "Cindy wrote: > Hi, > > Is it me, or is there hardly any OoP marketing > buzz? There's barely > a week to go before publication, and I haven't > seen any media > promotion at all. I do a calendar for the entertainment media in Los Angeles and New York. My items goes into the Monday issue for the Friday Night HP parties. I have some good ones already, but if anyone has others to recommend, I'd be grateful. I would also like to hear from someone in the publicity department of Nimbus 2003 if that's at all convenient. Yes, I know that it's in neither LA nor NYC [darn the luck] but I still might be able to help out. What's the point of having a job like this if I can't abuse it for a good cause? Susan Fox-Davis Editor, ENTERTAINMENT NEWS CALENDAR From sky14381 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 15:20:54 2003 From: sky14381 at yahoo.com (filmgeek20) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:20:54 -0000 Subject: get school sweaters @ wizarduniforms.com Message-ID: My friends and I all ordered Slytherin sweaters to wear to Barnes and Noble next week! Whooohoo! www.wizarduniforms.com From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 15:42:52 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:42:52 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, > there's all this hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) > which loads of people want to do, and I wondered > if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like > me? > > David I guess I'm anti-social, too. The California group is setting up a buying (and reading) party, but I just can't bring myself to drive 3 hours and then stay up until midnight after all that stressful driving (I swear, one of these days, Los Angeles traffic is going to give me a stroke). Not to mention the fact that I certainly will NOT want to read the book when I get back to the place I'm staying, whether it be at the agreed-upon HPfGU- sanctioned (hahaha) reading site, or my sister-in- law's apartment. No, instead, I'm going to my local Evil!Borders with my sister and one of my good friends, we're going to pick up our copies with a minimum of hoopla (but a maximum of free gifts... I hope!), drive home and read if we want to (oh, I'll want to - but I doubt my sister will). The only reason I'm willing to even take them is because I'd feel slightly sheepish at what has been advertised as a children's party alone and without my children (who will be in bed, like all good children SHOULD be... ), but more importantly, I've been having a hard time driving at night lately. My eyes have been hurting and I get those halo thingees when oncoming cars have their headlights on. And as that's usually the case at night... ;) (btw, anyone have any idea what this could be caused by?) So I'm also avoiding a "public" pre-book get- together. Hey, maybe we anti-social party poopers should all get together sometime.... -Jen From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Jun 13 15:45:04 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:45:04 -0000 Subject: An astronomical observation In-Reply-To: <3EE9EAD5.C4B8CDD1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Susan Fox-Davis wrote: > Draco is one of the north polar constellations; as such, Draco is > always there over Britain! Yes, but the head is the brightest part (gamma, mag 2.2 and a couple of third magnitude stars), lies IIRC between 17hRA and 18hRA and 50?Dec and 60?Dec which therefore pass *directly* overhead between 50?lat and 60?lat roughly between 11pm and midnight local time on that date, or midnight and 1am daylight saving time (such as BST). David From hp at plum.cream.org Fri Jun 13 16:39:02 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:39:02 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030613170940.00989940@plum.cream.org> At 15:46 13/06/03 , David wrote: >Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this >hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, >and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? I have mixed feelings. I want to get my grubby hands on a copy and sit down to read it peacefully ASAP. However, what happens in the run-up to getting my hands on it is a different issue. I'd like to have the opportunity to share the last moments (hour or so?) of waiting with other fans and perhaps be part of a group build-up of tension, but I fear that won't be possible. I don't want the pre-release tension to go too far (mainly to preserve strength for post-midnight reading), so the muari/meetup-suggested six hours is far too much. However, despite the fact that I live in the UK's second-largest and second most populous city, no adult fans appear to have come out of the woodwork thus far. The muari page for Birmingham on meetup.com consists of a dozen or so 11-13 year olds, and I'm not really sure that I'd be comfortable with them. Not only because I suspect that my interest in the books is on a different level, but also because I have no particular desire to be labelled a pervert by onlookers... (not to mention that the current meet locations are all McDonalds branches and I have principles to maintain...). My current plans are to leave home at about 11.30pm for central Birmingham 10 minutes away (where there are two Waterstone's branches, a WHSmith and a couple of other bookshops within a five-minute walking radius), try to take some pictures if there are any queues (which I doubt, judging by the complete lack of queues at previous midnight releases), pick up my (non pre-ordered) copy at whoever's cheapest and start reading. If it's a warm (and dry!) night, I'll probably plant myself with a bottle of water and a bag of nibbles in the gardens of one of the two towers which inspired JRR Tolkein (http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images%203/twotowers1.jpg or http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images%203/twotowers2.jpg) until I've finished. I might take a break at shop-opening times in the morning to take a few more pictures, but my reading of the book will be a private and solitary pleasure. That is, unless any other adult fans from Midlands want to hook up with me.... -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who really should be doing other things right now, and should try to find time for replies to several HPFGU posts... From innermurk at catlover.com Fri Jun 13 16:38:15 2003 From: innermurk at catlover.com (innermurk) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:38:15 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this > hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, > and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? David you are not alone! My local bookstores are not even going to stay open till midnight, so I have to wait until 8:00am the 21st, but they are going to have a party there. I want to get in, buy it, and get out as fast as I can. I need alone time to read and enjoy. I don't want to stand around with a bunch of people even if they are, like me, huge fans. Mainly because first of all, I'd have to wait some more to start reading (the horror!), and secondly (heavens I hope not) overhear some discussion about it, or someone reading out loud! I want to have the chance to get it and read it myself first! Parties should be saved for later when everyone has comfortably read the book, and CAN discuss it and socialize and have fun. That's just my opinion of course. Of course, if there were a party later on, I still probably wouldn't go because I'm mostly anti-social (some people say shy for politeness sake) all the time anyway. Unless there were some pretty darn good door prizes, or free goodies of course. Innermurk From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 22:28:47 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Announcement from Nimbus - 2003! Message-ID: <20030613222847.70765.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome to this brief announcement from Nimbus - 2003. First, a reminder that the hotel rate at the Swan is only guaranteed for another 4 days. After Tuesday, June 16, our rate will be given on an "availability" basis... so if you want to be assured of the $139/night room rate, make your reservations online this weekend or Monday. You can reserve your hotel room here: http://www.hp2003.org/nimbustravel.html Second, we just want to let you know that the list of programme session synopses and our presenters' biographical information is now up on our website. Simply click on any presenters' name or the abstract for any presentation and see a pop-up box to tell you more about it. Be aware that the pop-up will only pop up one at a time (that is, you have to close one before you can open another). The programming listing is here: http://www.hp2003.org/nimbuspgmtrack.html Third, a final appeal for sponsorship support. Our sponsorship deadline is June 15th. That doesn't actually mean you should stop giving! We'll gladly and gratefully accept donations, either monetary or in-kind, right up until the symposium itself. What it *does* mean is that we can't guarantee acknowledgement in the programme after the 15th. We will be making our final agenda decisions based on what we've received by the end of the weekend. So far, we've been just thrilled with the support of you, the fans, and your websites and your employers and your families and friends. This is the last big push, so please, if you haven't contributed to any of the fundraising campaigns, or if you've been considering a personal sponsorship, do it now so we can make sure you get every thank-you you deserve. Sponsorship information is here: http://www.hp2003.org/nimbushelpsp.html And here's some ongoing fandom fundraisers: http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/60198 Next, a bit of bragging: we have a new section at our website called "In the News." This is a listing of news articles, notices, and other mentions Nimbus - 2003 has received from online and print journals, conference bloggers, and any other little publicity we receive. If you see an article mentioning us, please make sure we know about it. Also, if you know of an opportunity to help publicize the event, please let our Public Relations officer, Lynn Chealander, know about it. You can write to her at press @ hp2003.org. http://www.hp2003.org/nimbusnews.html Finally, don't forget to order your Nimbus gear and wear it next week to the Order of the Phoenix MeetUp in your neighbourhood! If you need Nimbus gear, you can get it at Cafe Press (http://www.cafeshops.com/hpefinc). If you haven't voted yet for your MeetUp location, you can do it through http://www.MUARI.org! At 500 registrants and counting, Nimbus - 2003 is going to put us all on Cloud Nine! Gwen ===== Bring Your Own Broom to Nimbus - 2003! http://www.hp2003.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 13 23:33:16 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:33:16 -0000 Subject: fan art. Message-ID: this is going to be short so apologies in advance. What's the best site for posting my not-so-great sketches of Harry Potter characters...I don't mean they're bad (or I wouldn't wish to post them), but so many sites have pictures that seem to be done by professionals. I am no professional but I think it would be fun to post my work. Any suggestion on where the average joe...erm, scott can post some drawings without feeling too intimidated? cheers, Scott From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 13 23:39:17 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:39:17 -0000 Subject: get school sweaters @ wizarduniforms.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: filmgeek suggested: www.wizarduniforms.com --Has anyone purchased from this site before, and if so what was the quality. I've been looking for a good house jumper/sweater, but...it doesn't say of what these are made which makes me a bit nervous. wool? cotton? polyester??? (the last of which was surely invented by wizards ;-)...) Hmmm. Any comments? Scott From Chasewildstar at attbi.com Fri Jun 13 23:49:30 2003 From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:49:30 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: get school sweaters @ wizarduniforms.com References: Message-ID: <000901c33206$6eca4c50$9c01f50c@mac> well, it seems they only take PAYPAL, and I will not use paypal. I asked them if they take money orders or bank drafts (cashiers checks), they gave me a spam response, and never answered the question. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: get school sweaters @ wizarduniforms.com > filmgeek suggested: > www.wizarduniforms.com > > --Has anyone purchased from this site before, and if so what was the > quality. I've been looking for a good house jumper/sweater, but...it > doesn't say of what these are made which makes me a bit nervous. > wool? cotton? polyester??? (the last of which was surely invented by > wizards ;-)...) > > Hmmm. > > Any comments? > Scott > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Is your message... > An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. > Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. > Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. > None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. > Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From ArachneWebbstir at hotmail.com Fri Jun 13 23:56:31 2003 From: ArachneWebbstir at hotmail.com (Arachne Webbstir) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:56:31 -0000 Subject: Quick costume idea for Night of the Phoenix Message-ID: Are you planning to go wait in line at a bookstore the night PHOENIX is released? Want to wear something a little more special than your usual uniform of jeans and tee shirt--but a robe will possibly be too hot, bulky or just too hard to get from the tailors/cleaners/dungeon by then? Then try looking for this quick'n'easy product at local craft store (perhaps in USA, Michael's or Joann's chains), or order online from www.homesew.com Under "Paint and Markers" catagory at the latter, look for Tulip brand SPARKLE SPRAY (to quote their blurb): "Temporarily turn ordinary clothing and accessories into sparkling fashions! It's quick and easy. Just spray your garment with the sparkle spray, then wear it to your special event When it's over, just toss the garment in the water and wash out the glitter. Spray is formulated for use on most machine washable fabrics, including cottons, poly/cottons, fleece, knit, denim, canvas and synthetics". In a 4 oz. pump spray bottle. In crystal, gold or silver. $4.95 Photo shows purple tee shirt that looks pretty good. It's not aerosol, but it's probably wise not to spray it on around an open flame. Also at www.homesew.com is little kit for kids called the "Mystic Bead Book" (see "Jewelry" catagory) for making a bracelet using little charms in shape of wizarding objects: wizard hat, cat, wand, owl, cauldron labeled potions, broom, head of smiling dragon (or Loch Ness monster?) and book labeled "magic" (don't tell me that product pre-dates HP books!). Priced at only $4.95 By the way, if you are into more elaborate crafts and costuming, did you know there's a Yahoo group apparently affiliated with HPFGU (I found it in old Announcements) called Madame Malkins. If someone wants to copy this post over there, you're welcome (I don't know how, I'm a computer newbie...) There's also an HP Knit forum; maybe later in the summer I can post a few ideas & recommended books there. Til later, ARANITA From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 00:00:24 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OOP reading on the AOL homepage! Message-ID: <20030614000024.29020.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Cindy: > Hey, does anyone have a link to any > articles about this injunction or > temporary restraining order or > whatever it was that caused this > fracas? I have some idle curiosity > about how a court can issue > something that might constrain fans > from discussing a piece of a > book, even if it was obtained illegally. Want the press release from Scholastic about the restraining order? http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030508/ nyth154_1.html (some assembly required) This press release was issued on May 7, 2003 by the British representatives of J.K. Rowling and Bloomsbury Publishing Plc. and states that "Copies of court order available upon request." Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From heidit at netbox.com Sat Jun 14 00:27:57 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:27:57 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] fan art. Message-ID: ArtisticAlley.org has a huge range of talent levels - you certainly can give it a try. -----Original Message----- From: "Scott" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:33:16 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] fan art. Real-To: "Scott" this is going to be short so apologies in advance. What's the best site for posting my not-so-great sketches of Harry Potter characters...I don't mean they're bad (or I wouldn't wish to post them), but so many sites have pictures that seem to be done by professionals. I am no professional but I think it would be fun to post my work. Any suggestion on where the average joe...erm, scott can post some drawings without feeling too intimidated? cheers, Scott ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sushi at societyhappens.com Sat Jun 14 00:35:04 2003 From: sushi at societyhappens.com (Sushi) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:35:04 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Quick costume idea for Night of the Phoenix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030613193133.03a496e0@mail.societyhappens.com> >Under "Paint and Markers" catagory at the latter, look for Tulip >brand SPARKLE SPRAY (to quote their blurb): "Temporarily turn >ordinary clothing and accessories into sparkling fashions! It's >quick and easy. Just spray your garment with the sparkle spray, then >wear it to your special event When it's over, just toss the garment >in the water and wash out the glitter. Ohhh, spiffy! Thanks! I've got my costume sorted, but I know some people who might want to do this. (For the record, I'm wearing a $5 white, plastic mask from Joann's, a hooded cloak, and a Voldemort T-shirt 'cause I'm too lazy to make a robe this week. Rest of the costume will involve my cobra-headed cane and a Sharpie. The Sharpie, while not part of the actual costume, will nonetheless be necessary. Yeah, I'm a freak. I'll be the one chasing the ten-year-olds, shouting, "BLAAAAAARGH!") Sushi, getting WAYYYY too giddy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 14 01:33:14 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:33:14 -0000 Subject: OOP Release costume guide! Message-ID: Well it's not a guide yet, but it can be...I need some help deciding what to wear for the release party, but I don't expect advice for free (that would be way too easy). Instead I want some of your groovy (did I just use that word?!?! Yikes!) ideas in exchange for some of mine. Here's MY situation-- I have plenty of HP inspired clothing- a red and gold wool sweater, a red and gold wool scarf (both from Abercrombie and Fitch), a red and gold rugby shirt of heavy cotton (from J.Crew), and a red and gold tie (from Ben Silver). See none of this stuff was specifically HP themed, but definitely works; however, the problem with these clothing items it that, on Midsummer's Eve, they are likely to make me feel Hot!Hot!Hot! (sing with me--ol' le, ol' le, ol' le, ol' le-- sorry I'm listening to the song). The point is, and I'm not the only one with this problem I'm sure, that I don't *want* to roast, and so... these things don't really work. I also have a great LOTR cloak, like the one Galadriel gives them at Lothlorien, but there are two draw backs--firstly it's wool (hot) and secondly it's brown not black. Any ideas of how I could combine maybe one of these items with other stuff to make a bearable and yet wicked (as in good ;-0) costume? (I have the obvious things I might need for a uniform etc, a white shirt, grey pants, black trainers...but be creative in your advice) Creative in your advice...maybe I need a spoonful of my own medicene...here are my ideas-- KIDS House Elves Why not take the kids in tow as HE's. Just take an old pillow case and cut arm holes in the sides and a hole for the head. Stick a tea cozy on the little guy's head (how one does that I'm not sure exactly since I not currently in possesion of a tea cozy or a child, but I'm sure it's possible.) Hey presto! You could even try making prostetic ears. (http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/ has some great instructions for those ears and other LOTR costume ideas. I used their pattern for my cloak and it is truly lovely, besides many of these things are easily adaptable to HP.) ADULTS McGonagall put your hair into a bun and, if you can get the stuff, spray it temporarily black (I picture her a bit saltier than peppery though), wear a long black dress (to suggest a robe) and put a tartan dressing robe over it. She's always wearing one after all..."what's all this racket so late? You should all be asleep!") For glasses you could take some thin gauge wire (cheap from the Hardware store) and twist it into the shape of glasses using to strands and separating them for the "lenses". Vernon and Petunia Not the most creative of characters, but why not dress up in normal muggle clothes. (albeit something that would've been considered posh and trendy ten years ago--I think the Dursleys try too hard and don't succeed.) You could even act like you loath the whole thing...very Dursley-ish. (of course you wouldn't really loath it.) Ok those are the only Characters I've thought of so far, but here are some more ideas Cloak--go to the $1 fabric bin and buy about 8 yards of 60" fabric (NB: I'm really no sewing expert) and cut two semi circles that are 120" long and use the full width of the fabric. Lay them out to form a circle, find the center, cut out a head hole, and sew one half of the seem (sp?) together...leaving the front open and voila, a cloak! Hedwig? Why not get a cheap bag of feathers (I really like this but I'm allergic) and glue them all over a white T-Shirt. You could even make a paper beak or something and be Hedwig? who?...(that was a pun, or it was supposed to be.) Quills There are plenty of cool feathers available in craft stores, probably a green one for Rita Skeeter, and you could even pretend to be a Daily Prophet reporter at your bookshop (or whee'er you celebrate.) gosh I don't think I've been that helpful...these are only a few scant ideas, but they're something...so add your own! What I think is really fun is taking on a persona and really playing it out. Pretending to be whoever. Like a reporter, or a Hogwarts teacher, or even a, *gasp*, muggle. Hope this helps! Scott From rvotaw at i-55.com Sat Jun 14 01:36:49 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:36:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Quick costume idea for Night of the Phoenix References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030613193133.03a496e0@mail.societyhappens.com> Message-ID: <00b601c33215$6d176e60$629ccdd1@RVotaw> Sushi wrote: > (For the record, I'm wearing a $5 white, plastic mask from > Joann's, a hooded cloak, and a Voldemort T-shirt 'cause I'm too lazy to > make a robe this week. Rest of the costume will involve my cobra-headed > cane and a Sharpie. The Sharpie, while not part of the actual costume, > will nonetheless be necessary. Yeah, I'm a freak. I'll be the one chasing > the ten-year-olds, shouting, "BLAAAAAARGH!") Am I the only coward in the bunch? I've got a Gryffindor robe and all, I have everything but the sweater. I have a wand, the Gryffindor sword, the works. I could win any costume contest hands down. However, in this particular area, I really really doubt anyone (kids included) will be dressed up. I'm wearing a jean skirt, my Order of the Phoenix t-shirt I made (with US and UK covers pictured) and my OotP hat. Of course, considering I'm going shopping with a friend for about 4 hours first I've got to look half way like a Muggle. > Sushi, getting WAYYYY too giddy What do you mean "getting" giddy? I'm way past that. I had a friend come to town today and we went shopping together. At least twice I burst out with "Only eight days!" at which time she and her 13 year old would promptly burst into giggles. I was very good entertainment. :) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From andie at knownet.net Sat Jun 14 01:55:48 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:55:48 -0000 Subject: Friday night... again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm just wondering... What time is everyone else showing up at their Borders/Barnes & Noble/Local Bookstore on Friday night??? I hate to be too early, but I don't want to waste much time after midnight either. After all, I do want to have time to read a least a bit before I get to sleepy! grindieloe :) From rvotaw at i-55.com Sat Jun 14 02:03:19 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:03:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Friday night... again. References: Message-ID: <00f101c33219$21409e40$629ccdd1@RVotaw> grindieloe wrote: > I'm just wondering... What time is everyone else showing up at their > Borders/Barnes & Noble/Local Bookstore on Friday night??? I hate to > be too early, but I don't want to waste much time after midnight > either. After all, I do want to have time to read a least a bit > before I get to sleepy! Well, parties are starting at different times. Books-A-Million's party starts at 9:00, but the Barnes & Noble I'm going to said the party starts at 11:30. I'm going shopping with a friend before hand, so since all the other stores will be closed by 10:00 I guess I'll be there shortly after ten. I'm wondering if they won't start "partying" early when people start turning up standing around. I could care less what happens after midnight, just give me my book! :) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starling823 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 03:04:10 2003 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Sternel) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: : Re: Quick costume idea for Night of the Phoenix In-Reply-To: <1055556203.2079.8124.m15@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030614030410.21131.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all -- allow me to praise my dear friend Ursamajor ::waves:: and tell you all about the nifty costume she made me. I am going to the release as a Quidditch fan -- specifically as a Pride of Portree fan. Ursamajor, who can sew much better than I can, found nifty varsity-style letters in a notions store and created me a Portree sweatshirt, which I am wearing with my Quidditch baseball cap (and a Nimbus baseball shirt from CafePress, because I am a good walking advertisement. =) Anyway... if you're at a loss for a costume, whip out your Quidditch Through The Ages and pick your favorite team, and have fun. =) Unfortunately, Ursamajor cannot take requests, as she is still busy dyeing her socks so she can have a complete Hogwarts uniform -- which I can't wait to see! =) Is it too soon to wish everyone a Happy Release Day? teehee! -Sternel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From blessedbrian at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 05:08:15 2003 From: blessedbrian at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:08:15 -0000 Subject: Friday night... again. In-Reply-To: <00f101c33219$21409e40$629ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: I wish that I had robes to wear, but I may at least take my Nimbus, wand as well as possibly my Sorting Hat puppet to have fun with the kids. Officially less than a week now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brian:-) From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 05:11:37 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:11:37 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > On the London list we have been discussing the possibility of a get- > together on the night of Friday 20th. I have decided not to > participate, partly for a variety of practical reasons to do with > transport and the need not to be too tired on Saturday. > > > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this > hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, > and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? > > David No, David, Seems like we are in our own little majority here! As someone who jumped the gun and pre-ordered not only the US version, (as I am in the USA), but also the UK adult version, AND the CD's (no, I am NOT obsessed), I really have no reason to go near a bookstore friday evening. I am also working and won't be off till about 11:00 PM or so, and won't really feel like walking into a bookstore alone, not buying anything, with a 50 mile drive ahead of me to get home. I may drive through Harvard square (as I work nearby) and see if anyone is dressed up. Harvard square always has people dressed up anyway, regardless if there is a specific reason to do so. I'll let you know if I see anything interesting. Anna . . .(who just LOVES Harvard Square!) From catlady at wicca.net Sat Jun 14 05:40:38 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:40:38 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday/footnote/bon voyage/ Message-ID: So many wonderful people whose birthdays I've missed! Hugs, kisses, and huzzahs to: Melody, the Magic Dishwasher cheerleader Sheryll, the Birthday Elf Tabouli, our cross-cultural trainer and our acronym guru Zorb (Sara), from chat in 2002 Jim Flanagan, one of the original listies from Y!Club days cantoramy (Amy Miller) asked: << He said yes, so now I need to know how to put my source in the footnotes. Do I give the number and date of the message plus his name and the name of the group? Since it is a members-only group, should I state that too? >> Maybe you could just say "via e-mail" and not mention that it's a mailing list. Amy Z wrote: << who can find Sirius and not much else, but will look for Draco tonight >> Where are you moving to in California? For my sake, I hope the Los Angeles area. For your sake, I hope either somewhere where housing prices are less impossible or somewhere beautiful. "filmgeek20" wrote: << My friends and I all ordered Slytherin sweaters to wear to Barnes and Noble next week! Whooohoo! www.wizarduniforms.com >> I completely agree with Scott about not comprehending the idea of wearing a sweater in JULY. But I checked that website and the sweaters look nice, but why don't they offer the neckties as well? From tongapeach at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 05:46:45 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:46:45 -0000 Subject: New Message-ID: Hey all, I just wanted to introduce myself, even if I don't happen to be around very often. ;-) It's been awhile since I last joined a 'group', and that one died out about two years ago. I haven't really had anyone to chat seriously with about HP since then- and I'm starting to suffer from withdrawal! So you know- I'm a 22 yr old college student majoring in Elementary Education and working (hopefully) as the assistant night manager of a Gymboree store. I live in the southeast US, moving soon to the midwest- or maybe it's still south, what do you consider Arkansas to be? Anyway, I'm glad to join this little group I've heard so much about. Something tells me I should have done this ages ago! I do write MWPP- era fanfiction and make some rather elaborate 'wizard' costumes, I love watermelon (I'm considered the 'watermelon queen' in my family), and I have a 13 yr old black lab that I treat as my baby- don't we all? Hope to chat with you all. See you at Nimbus! :-) Tonga From tahewitt at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 06:38:55 2003 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cut Rupert spome slack!!!!!!!!!!! (RE: Vanity Fair) In-Reply-To: <1055556203.2079.8124.m15@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030614063855.34158.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Someone (I forget who) wrote: ...The point is, the others gave serious answers. If Rupert's answers weren't serious, there was nothing to indicate such. I doubt deep down his idol is really Spongebob, but he really should give it some thought and come up with something practical. Oh, and Rupert's pet peeves? Vegetables, exams, homework, and school. Err. okay. Aren't pet peeves supposed to be specific things? Like Daniel said "Being patronized." And Emma said "When the radio interrupts a song before it's finished." I think Rupert definitely wants everyone to know he doesn't like school. Got that yet? :) ME: I've been reading several digs against poor Rupert over the past couple of days, and have reached the point where I have to step in and defend him. Rupert is 14, not 35. He talks like a typical 14 year old. Had I been asked the same questons back when I was 14, I would have answered about the same. I hated school at 14, too. It was mind-numbing and pointless. School did not challenge me in the least; I didn't discover that I loved to learn until halfway through college. The answers the three gave seem prety reflective of their personalities as we know them. Dan seems articulate and thoughtful and his answers reflect that. Rupert seems more spontaneous and goofy, and his answers reflect that. Why should Rupert have come up with something 'practical' for a fluff piece in a fluff magazine? Being asked basically the same questions everytime you do an interview has to get old. I would find it really interesting if someone were to conduct real interviews with the three instead of the tired old "do you have a girlfriend?" type questions they are asked over and over again just because they're young. Interviews with kids usually annoy me because the interviewers are so condescending. I have had amazing conversations with children of all ages. I know they are capable of intelligence and insight. I think adults respond to Dan because he seems so articulate and intelligent, and well, grown-up. And that's fine. But don't hold it against Rupert because he's more the typical 14 year old. Life has to be pretty surreal for the three now, I'm just glad they have the freedom to be themselves and are staying sane! Tyler __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From meboriqua at aol.com Sat Jun 14 13:48:57 2003 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:48:57 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > Basically, I want to go into a bookshop, get the book, take it home and then read it when I can. I think I have a marginal preference for doing that in the daytime, but if I went at midnight I'd still ignore all the other customers in the shop and hope they'd ignore me. > After I've read the book I'll discuss online and offline, of course. > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me?> Hey, I hear you! I do have plans with friends leading up to the midnight madness at Barnes & Noble here in NYC, but once I have that book *take a deep breath and calm down, now* in my hands, I'm out of there and on my way home - in a cab, even. I don't even know if I'll get any sleep. --jenny from ravenclaw ********************************** From ression at hotmail.com Sat Jun 14 16:40:55 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:40:55 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "innermurk" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" > wrote: > > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this > > hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to > do, > > and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? > > > David you are not alone! Well, I'm glad there are others like me! Shy (aka anti-social) that is. The book may arrive on Saturday morning from Amazon, but then again, as the post is a little erratic where I live, it may not arrive until Monday. Do I care? No. I've waited two or three years for it, so a couple of days more isn't going to bother me. The idea of going to a bookshop at midnight and standing in a queue with a crowd of hyperactive kids fills me with horror. And as for the thought of dressing-up, I'd no more do that than I would shout Whoopee! if I won the lottery (unlikely since I have never bought a ticket). But then I am a curmudgeonly old so-and-so ;) And, when I do finally have the book, I shall read it slowly. One might glug a beer, but with a fine wine or a decent bottle of champers, one should take it slowly and enjoy each mouthful. A chapter or two at a time I think, so I can mull it over and try to spot where JK is leading us, not that I've ever managed to out-guess her of course! Prolongs the pleasure too. Or are the majority planning on glugging? ER :)) From nethilia at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 18:49:00 2003 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Quick costume idea for Night of the Phoenix In-Reply-To: <1055556203.2079.8124.m15@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030614184900.65710.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> > Ohhh, spiffy! Thanks! I've got my costume > sorted, but I know > some people who might want to do this. > > (For the record, I'm wearing a $5 white, > plastic mask from > Joann's, a hooded cloak, and a Voldemort T-shirt > 'cause I'm too lazy to > make a robe this week. Rest of the costume will > involve my cobra-headed > cane and a Sharpie. The Sharpie, while not part of > the actual costume, > will nonetheless be necessary. Yeah, I'm a freak. > I'll be the one chasing > the ten-year-olds, shouting, "BLAAAAAARGH!") > > Sushi, getting WAYYYY too giddy I will be running around the Borders at Colorado Mills (I'm up in colorado visiting my fiance) in my full length black cloak--I wear it everywhere--and my Slytherin jersey that I bought at Wal-de-mart when the first movie came out. And I'll be sneering at all the Gryffindors as well. Neth the RavenSlyth (They don't sell Ravenclaw jerseys, darnit!) ===== http://www.spenecial.com Spenecial*com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. "When I see a burning cross, the first thought in my head is most likely not, 'I could really go for a cold refreshing beverage right now!' " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 15 02:26:32 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:26:32 -0000 Subject: Tolkien (was: Friday night In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030613170940.00989940@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > (non pre-ordered) copy at whoever's cheapest and start reading. If > it's a warm (and dry!) night, I'll probably plant myself with a > bottle of water and a bag of nibbles in the gardens of one of the > two towers which inspired JRR Tolkein > http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images%203/twotowers1.jpg > http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images%203/twotowers2.jpg) Tell me about towers in Birmingham inspiring JRRT. From tongapeach at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 05:03:34 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:03:34 -0000 Subject: Cut Rupert spome slack!!!!!!!!!!! (RE: Vanity Fair) In-Reply-To: <20030614063855.34158.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tyler Hewitt wrote: > Rupert is 14, not 35. He talks like a typical 14 year > old. Had I been asked the same questons back when I > was 14, I would have answered about the same. > I hated school at 14, too. It was mind-numbing and > pointless. School did not challenge me in the least; I > didn't discover that I loved to learn until halfway > through college. > > The answers the three gave seem prety reflective of > their personalities as we know them. Dan seems > articulate and thoughtful and his answers reflect > that. Rupert seems more spontaneous and goofy, and his > answers reflect that. I'm agreeing wholeheartedly with this one. I have a soon to be 17 year old baby brother- who happens to be an aspiring actor come to think of it- and Rupert's personality seems to mirror my little bro's. Personally I enjoy seeing kids being kids (children I mean, not baby goats ;-). Seems society pushes them to grow up so fast, especially the ones in showbiz. Nice to see one that looks at the pressure of it all and can laugh. I find Rupert to be a very amusing boy, and will continue to do so unless he befriends my brother- at which point I'll run screaming in the opposite direction. Tonga From tongapeach at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 05:08:51 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:08:51 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ER" wrote: > And, when I do finally have the book, I shall read it slowly. One > might glug a beer, but with a fine wine or a decent bottle of > champers, one should take it slowly and enjoy each mouthful. A > chapter or two at a time I think, so I can mull it over and try to > spot where JK is leading us, not that I've ever managed to out- guess > her of course! Prolongs the pleasure too. Or are the majority > planning on glugging? Well, after waiting all this time I know, what little part of me that isn't so wired keeps telling me, that waiting a bit longer won't hurt anything. But then I know myself- I've been reading like crazy, and when I start a good book several hours can easily slip by without my knowledge. Glugging will definatly be the course of action! As to out-guessing Rowling- well, I've only managed to catch one of her tricks. Mid-way though reading about the bug crawling up the reindeer in GoF it dawned on me that the bug was Rita. My one spot of glory! ;-) Tonga From editor at texas.net Sun Jun 15 06:38:55 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:38:55 -0500 Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night Message-ID: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net> Request for assistance! Kelley and I are going to be part of one of the San Antonio Barnes&Noble's Order of the Phoenix activities. We are dressing up and will be quizzing the kids on HP trivia. Not sure for how long; not sure what ages. Can I beg you all to send me trivia questions? I can make some mean Snape ones, but I'd like a broader spectrum. And I'd like to have enough to split into First-Years, Second-Years, etc. I think we get to *run* the quiz. I could yank the questions from the trivia game, but that's only the first book. The Barnes&Noble people made it clear that they want to cover all four books. So, please, please, give me your suggestions! Kelley and I appreciate it! Thanks, Amandageist P.S.--I want to be Professor or Madam something...any ideas? My last name just doesn't cut it. (Kelley's, either) ------------------------------------------ Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft. From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 15 07:35:38 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:35:38 -0000 Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" wrote: > > P.S.--I want to be Professor or Madam something...any ideas? My > last name just doesn't cut it. (Kelley's, either) You don't want to be Madam Mandy? Well, you and Kelley could be Madam Gambol and Madam Jape, owners of Gambol and Jape's joke shop on Diagon Alley. From sally at gristiegraphics.co.uk Sun Jun 15 07:50:03 2003 From: sally at gristiegraphics.co.uk (Sally Grist) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:50:03 -0000 Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" wrote: > Request for assistance! > > Can I beg you all to send me trivia questions? Hi Amanda, If you go to my URL: http://www.virtualwizardworld.co.uk and visit Virtual Diagon Alley, you will find a series of 10-15 trivia questions that run while each separate shop is loading. In total I would estimate that there are about 55 questions in the whole site. You're welcome to use any of those for your quiz. They're mostly quite hard though, none of those "What colour are Harry's eyes..." type questions. If they're the sort of thing you're looking for, then I could probably dig out the original Word file containing the questions and email it to you. Sally From hp at plum.cream.org Sun Jun 15 10:27:25 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:27:25 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tolkien In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20030613170940.00989940@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030615102222.009d59f0@plum.cream.org> At 03:26 15/06/03 , Catlady \(Rita Prince Winston\) wrote: >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > > > (non pre-ordered) copy at whoever's cheapest and start reading. If > > it's a warm (and dry!) night, I'll probably plant myself with a > > bottle of water and a bag of nibbles in the gardens of one of the > > two towers which inspired JRR Tolkein > > http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images%203/twotowers1.jpg > > http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images%203/twotowers2.jpg) > >Tell me about towers in Birmingham inspiring JRRT. Is there a question in there? I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I started writing about the waterworks tower and Perrot's Folly here, but in a search for better pictures than the ones I linked to above, I found this: http://www.birminghamuk.com/BrumFoto/edgbaston/photoalbumT.htm and then this: http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/trlout_gfx_en/TRA10493.html There's also a great deal about both towers in the Tourism section of the Birmingham City Council website (http://www.birmingham.gov.uk), but their server seems to be down right now - it may be back up by the time this message gets through, in which case do a search on "Perrot's Folly". From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun Jun 15 11:31:19 2003 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:31:19 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Last Day of Nimbus Fundraiser Message-ID: Hi all -- We, the HPFGU Admin Team, are excited to update you on the progress of our fundraising since we last repeated the fundraising appeal message. Thanks in large part to a *very* generous donation from an individual (who wishes to remain anonymous) we have now raised a total of $1500. This will allow HPFGU to sponsor a small event or item, plus some programming. We've reached the last moments of the fundraising drive -- it ends Sunday, June 15 -- but if we could raise an additional $500, we could increase our presence at Nimbus. You can find details on how to make your donation below. No sponsorship would have been possible without your generous support, and once again we thank all who have donated. *********** Over the last four years, HP4GU has been the best online source for in-depth, mature discussion of all things Potter. The list has burgeoned to 7,000 members, more than twelve sister and regional lists, and the finest collection of Fantastic Posts essays about HP that one can locate on the web. Regional meetings are no longer so regional. In New York City, Chicago, London, Germany and all over the world in fact, we have met, sometimes in handfuls, sometimes in large numbers. And now, this summer, Harry Potter fans take the next step. More than 400 fans will converge on Orlando, Florida, to create the single largest gathering yet, at the *first ever* symposium centered solely on Harry Potter. But you know all this - or you do if you've been around lately. What you might not know is that Nimbus - 2003 needs HP4GU's help. And HP4GU needs your help. This vitally important first year's symposium - and therefore future symposia - depends on your support. Many people have said things like, "Well, I can't afford Nimbus this year, so I'll wait for next year." We certainly understand if you can't attend this year. But, if you can't go this time, there's an easy way you can help ensure that there is a next time. When the Nimbus - 2003 team formed in June of 2002, they envisioned an event that would set the tone. They saw the groundwork for future events, perhaps even eventually large enough to rent our own castle in Scotland for a long week-end. If event after event can prove our sincerity and our integrity, then perhaps we will win the respect of WB, JKR's agents, and even JKR herself. We could position this chain of symposia to become the official convention for adults, and possibly even become the preferred symposium for pursuit of the books. But without fan support, none of that can happen. Corporate sponsorship, which the event's organizers believed would be a natural source of funding, has not materialized as anticipated. Even corporations with significant ties to HP merchandise have been uninterested. The Nimbus - 2003 team attributes this to changing relationships of licensees to WB, the struggle of an unhistoried, untested event, and of course the general economy and world situation. Despite their hope that they would be able to supplement registrations with corporate contributions and lift the burden from the fans, the team finds themselves in need of grassroots assistance. Since Nimbus is the event that HP4GU inspired, they have turned to us, as well as the corners of the fandom, for that help. That is why, in addition to lending its reputation and support to Nimbus - 2003, we at HP4GU would like to make that support financial and be an official Nimbus "Symposium Sponsor." Nimbus offers Symposium Sponsorhip at the level of $15,000 (USD). That sounds like a lot. But remember how we said that the list boasts over 7,000 members? That means that if only half of you are able to donate $5 apiece, HP4GU can realize its goal. If you can give more, please give more, because we know there are those among you who cannot give any, much as you might like to. This sponsorship would pay for: ** Internet cafe, so that attendees and presenters can connect with HP fans around the world who are unable to attend Nimbus - 2003. Cost includes computer rental and internet access costs. [$5,000] ** Coverage of honoraria, hotel, and airfare for the Special Guests, including: Judith Krug, Connie Neal, John Granger, Philip Nel, and Roger Highfield [$3,500] ** Coverage of the Judith Krug Keynote Luncheon (Judith Krug is the Director of the Office of Intellectual Freedom for the American Library Association and will speak on the subject of censorship and book banning, with reference to Harry Potter in particular) [$3,000] ** The Farewell Breakfast on Sunday [$2,500] ** Welcoming Feast and Meet-and-Greet on Thursday night [$1,000] Moreover, for those of you who are U.S. taxpayers, your donation to the HP4GU Nimbus - 2003 sponsorship may be tax-deductible. HP Education Fanon, Inc., the company created to oversee these periodic recurring symposia, has been granted tax-exempt 501(c)(3) status as an educational organization. That means your contribution carries the same advantages to you as a donation to your local charity of choice. We hope you will be part of the only event to grow out of the excellent, deep, shocking, and hilarious conversations you've enjoyed online. Be part of the vision shared by list member, elf, geist, and moderator alike. Even if you can't attend - even if you will - you have a chance to help make Harry Potter history. With your help, we can continue to prove that HP4GU is one of the best HP communities around - on the Web, or in person. With your help, that reputation will only be heightened, through the contact with and exchange between fans and academics and professionals who are equally enamoured of the books and all they represent. 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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 15 15:02:11 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 15 Jun 2003 15:02:11 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1055689331.21.47224.m10@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, June 15, 2003 Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. *Chat times are not changing for Daylight Saving/Summer Time.* Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type /join HP:1 For further info, see the Humongous BigFile, section 3.3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/hbfile.html#33 Hope to see you there! From tahewitt at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 18:16:19 2003 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Friday Night In-Reply-To: <1055667672.672.6424.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030615181619.55604.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> "David" > wrote: > > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? Although Friday night could be a geek's paradise in the U.S. (Ang Lee's Hulk movie opens that day, one could catch that film and make it to a bookstore afterwards), I probably won't be doing either. Most of the HP release party stuff seems geared towards kids, and there's only two events in my area that sound even remotely interesting (Co-op bookstores in Chicago have a hall at University of Chicago for a party, that campus is all Gothic style, and looks kind of like Hogwarts; and Chicago suburb Oak Park is turning a downtown street into Diagon Alley). The mauri hookup in Chicago is in suburban Orland Park, a southwest suburb, easily 1/2 hour-45 minute drive to those coming from the city center. when I was on that website a few days ago, only 5 people had signed up anyways. But really, I don't know how interested I would be in attending some sort of HP event. I may head over to my local Borders to see if there are any cute kids in costume (I love watching trick or treaters on Halloween) but probably wouldent do much else. Tyler who is leaving for England on June 23 and has to decide whether to read OoP very quickly before going or lug a thick, heavy book overseas... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From joym999 at aol.com Sun Jun 15 20:06:08 2003 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:06:08 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jenny_ravenclaw" wrote: > Hey, I hear you! I do have plans with friends leading up to the > midnight madness at Barnes & Noble here in NYC, but once I have that > book *take a deep breath and calm down, now* in my hands, I'm out of > there and on my way home - in a cab, even. I don't even know if I'll > get any sleep. Count me in. Before I leave the house on Friday, I plan on making a stack of sandwiches -- enough to last until Sunday night. Then, I will be partying with fellow HP fans from 7 or 8 pm until midnight. During that time, I will be eating dinner, playing HP trivia, chatting, sharing the sherbet lemons and peppermint humbugs I bought when I was in London, and just being social. The second I get the book in my hands, I will not be fit for any sort of human contact for a day or two. The dog will be lucky to get walked, and the cats will have to yowl very loud to get fed. The phone will remain unanswered, the email will remain unchecked, the door will remain locked, and the curtains will remain closed for the rest of the weekend. --Joywitch, ready to explode From ression at hotmail.com Sun Jun 15 21:26:38 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:26:38 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "tongapeach" wrote: > > Well, after waiting all this time I know, what little part of me that > isn't so wired keeps telling me, that waiting a bit longer won't hurt > anything. But then I know myself- I've been reading like crazy, and > when I start a good book several hours can easily slip by without > my knowledge. Glugging will definatly be the course of action! Well, yes, I know what you mean, but one has to force oneself to sip! Come on now, deep breath ... > > As to out-guessing Rowling- well, I've only managed to catch one of > her tricks. Mid-way though reading about the bug crawling up the > reindeer in GoF it dawned on me that the bug was Rita. My one spot > of glory! ;-) That's one more than me - so much for slow "careful" reading! ER From glcherry at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 15 21:36:21 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:36:21 -0000 Subject: Friday Night Message-ID: In the Mobile area (where I am currently imprisoned :) ) there is only one , as far as I know, Friday night party. Barnes and Nobles on Airport Blvd. This shy (anti-social) nightowl will be going! I have my black cape (from my Star Wars costumes / Convention days) My wand! (Thank you Alivans) and alot of Cheer Wine (that's a soft drink) and I'm ready to go! I intend to get my non-pre ordered copy, and then break the speed record getting home. I've seen the Dawn before, and will probably see it again while reading! Also, I have one question: If we're all this stark raving Nutters waiting for Book Five to finally arrive...what are we going to do waiting for Six? I mean besides drive each other crazy that is? :) Lorrie From Mhochberg at aol.com Sun Jun 15 21:46:36 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mary) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:46:36 -0000 Subject: Letters MY on bobble head Dobby doll Message-ID: I can't figure it out and hopefully someone here can help me. When the Chamber of Secrets DVD came out, Shopko stores offered a free bobble head Dobby doll with dvd purchase. The doll is a fun addition to my HP collection. The one thing I can't figure out is why the tea towel he is wearing has the letters "MY" on it. They are painted in white on the lower corner. I could understand if it said "MF" for Malfoy Family but what do you think MY stands for? Thanks! ---Mary, wondering if it is so obvious she can't see it From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 15 21:52:37 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:52:37 -0000 Subject: Friday Night In-Reply-To: <20030615181619.55604.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Tyler > who is leaving for England on June 23 and has to > decide whether to read OoP very quickly before going > or lug a thick, heavy book overseas... > Read as much of OOP as you can, arrive in England, buy British copy at the airport... Pip From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 22:51:01 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Friday Night / tonight's "60 Minutes" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030615225101.4665.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Tyler: > who is leaving for England on June 23 and has to > decide whether to read OoP very quickly before going > or lug a thick, heavy book overseas... Pip: > Read as much of OOP as you can, > arrive in England, buy British copy > at the airport... You can also buy the books on cd and listen to them on the long flight to England. Y'know, drown out the wailing of babies and the snoring of adults...and if you're traveling with other HP fans, you might even share one set amongst you. Just don't forget the batteries... * * Anyone know just how in depth is 60 Minutes' coverage of HP/JKR tonight? Petra, wishing SHE's off to the UK a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 23:40:38 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net> Message-ID: <20030615234038.26652.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Amanda's request for assistance, in part: > Can I beg you all to send me trivia > questions? I can make some mean Snape > ones, but I'd like a broader spectrum. > And I'd like to have enough to split > into First-Years, Second-Years, etc. I > think we get to *run* the quiz. Sounds like fun... How about holding up enlarged copies of the chapter illustrations and have the participants supply the chapter titles to match? Some of them are quite hard. For example, the illustration for PoA, ch. 8, "Flight of the Fat Lady," is not of the portrait but of the potion Snape made for Lupin. Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From timregan at microsoft.com Sun Jun 15 23:45:55 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:45:55 -0000 Subject: In defense of Porous Robert In-Reply-To: <012c01c331be$e10cb700$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Richelle" wrote: > But the question wasn't who was his favorite actor. > It was who was his favorite guy's guy and who was > his idol. Both answers were Spongebob Squarepants. Spongebob is unceasingly loyal to his friends, always happy no matter what curses life throws at him, gets naive pleasure out of life, has an affinity with the natural world around him (especially jellyfish), makes an art out of a seemingly mindless job (he's a burger chef), has unique fashion flare, and makes the lives of those he touches (either in the cartoon or IRL) happier. I'd be surprised if Daniel or Emma came up with more consistently public spirited mentors than Spongebob. Cheers, Dumbledad PS My kids (8 & 10) both love Spongebob so I felt I had to leap to his defense. From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 00:21:37 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:21:37 -0000 Subject: In defense of Porous Robert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > > Spongebob is unceasingly loyal to his friends, always happy no > matter what curses life throws at him, gets naive pleasure out of > life, has an affinity with the natural world around him (especially > jellyfish), makes an art out of a seemingly mindless job (he's a > burger chef), has unique fashion flare, and makes the lives of those > he touches (either in the cartoon or IRL) happier. > > I'd be surprised if Daniel or Emma came up with more consistently > public spirited mentors than Spongebob. > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad > > PS My kids (8 & 10) both love Spongebob so I felt I had to leap to > his defense. FYI, for all you Spongebob lovers out there, I just bought some SBSP papertowels made by Bounty. My kids have never been so eager to clean up. Anna . . .(whose six year old knows all about Texas from Sandy) From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 00:32:42 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:32:42 -0000 Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: <20030615234038.26652.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan wrote: > Amanda's request for assistance, in part: > > Can I beg you all to send me trivia > > questions? > > How about holding up enlarged copies of > the chapter illustrations and have the > participants supply the chapter titles to > match? Some of them are quite hard. > For example, the illustration for PoA, > ch. 8, "Flight of the Fat Lady," is not of > the portrait but of the potion Snape made > for Lupin. > > Petra > a > n :) Petra, great idea! I was actually looking over an interveiw that was posted on Amazon with the illustrator of the US books,(her name escapes me, Marie Grand ???? 8[ ) and they had small versions of her chapter illlustrations, and for the life of me, some of them I couldn't remember which books they were in! For example, when Harry "sees" Dobby for the first time, it was in the Dursley's garden. The picture was of Harry sitting on a bench, and if you looked closely, you could see two large eyes staring out from the hedges. I didn't see the eyes at first, and it took me a few minutes to really examine the picture to realize what book it was from. Perhaps for some of the younger crowd (or, as in my case, really old, forgetful ones) you could ask which book the picture came from. Just a thought added to Petras'. Good luck! Anna . . .(who STILL cannot get the link of the audio on Amazon!! Urrgghh!!) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From rvotaw at i-55.com Mon Jun 16 02:15:20 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:15:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:tonight's "60 Minutes" References: <20030615225101.4665.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01c333ad$24123e40$08a0cdd1@RVotaw> Petra wrote: > Anyone know just how in depth is > 60 Minutes' coverage of HP/JKR > tonight? I believe it's supposed to be a rerun. Can anyone who watches/watched it confirm that? Also, does anyone know if Dateline on the 20th is supposed to be new or old? Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From talisman at cyberspeedway.net Mon Jun 16 02:32:02 2003 From: talisman at cyberspeedway.net (Talisman) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:32:02 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:tonight's "60 Minutes" References: <20030615225101.4665.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> <004c01c333ad$24123e40$08a0cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: <3EED2C22.2040706@cyberspeedway.net> > I believe it's supposed to be a rerun. Can anyone who watches/watched > it confirm that? Also, does anyone know if Dateline on the 20th is > supposed to be new or old? I don't know if the epsidoe of 60 minutes was a rerun (tvguide.com doesn't say it was) but the HP stuff was. It was just a repeat of an interview done several years ago with about 30 seconds worth of update... "new hp book out friday" "since the original interview was done JKR has gotten married and had a baby" I was rather disappointed, to be honest. Talisman in AZ From tongapeach at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 04:49:30 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 04:49:30 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ER" wrote: > Well, yes, I know what you mean, but one has to force oneself to sip! > Come on now, deep breath ... Well, maybe I won't have to worry so much about 'chugging' the book down- unless my little brother has surgery. In that case the doctor will be lucky to get my attention. Unfortunatly those who live in the same house as I do seem to get miffed if I lock myself into a room and read for hours- they say I'm being anti-social, can you believe it? ;-) This was recently brought to my attention when I sat to read the newest Artemis Fowl book... couldn't open the cover without offending one or more members of the household. But in the face of waiting several hours while my bro's in surgery, and possibly spending the night at the hospital with him, OotP will be accompanying me at all times. And in that case I will be firmly rooted in the land of Potter. ;-) Tonga PS- I know waiting while my bro's in surgery will break my concentration- especially knowing that this is his first time spending the night in the hospital (other than his birth). Any tips from those of you out there that have been faced with a similar experience? I've got to keep busy without disturbing the nurses every five minutes. ;-) From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 04:57:39 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: tonight's "60 Minutes" / HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030616045739.14271.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> Talisman in AZ: > I don't know if the epsidoe of > 60 minutes was a rerun (tvguide.com > doesn't say it was) but the HP stuff > was. It was just a repeat of an > interview done several years ago > with about 30 seconds worth of > update... "new hp book out friday" > "since the original interview was > done JKR has gotten married and had > a baby" I was rather disappointed, > to be honest. My VCR didn't record the program but I'm now less disappointed, thanks. Anyone happen to have the transcript? I don't think I saw it the first time around. * * * Yours truly: > How about holding up enlarged copies of > the chapter illustrations and have the > participants supply the chapter titles to > match? Some of them are quite hard. > For example, the illustration for PoA, > ch. 8, "Flight of the Fat Lady," is not of > the portrait but of the potion Snape made > for Lupin. Anna, in part: > Perhaps for some of the younger crowd (or, > as in my case, really old, forgetful ones) you > could ask which book the picture came from. Hmmm...yes, though I really like this idea because the pictures are just the kind of whimsy that would please crowds, you're right - some of them are pretty hard core trivia. Perhaps Amanda and Kelley should prepare for the possibility of having to give hints or turn them into multiple choice questions, should they decide to give this a go. Ooh, I know - charades! If people can 'act out' book titles and movie titles, why not chapter titles? Petra, would be very entertained by HP Charades a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From tongapeach at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 05:20:45 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:20:45 -0000 Subject: Friday Night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "stardancerofas" wrote: > Also, I have one question: If we're all this stark raving Nutters > waiting for Book Five to finally arrive...what are we going to do > waiting for Six? I mean besides drive each other crazy that is? :) I don't want to think of the wait for book six, even if I already have. Honestly I'm just hoping she doesn't keep us waiting as long as she did for five. A year or so I can handle, but this three years business is for the birds! I'm also hoping Nimbus-2003 helps put me in touch with some fellow fans. It's nice to have someone to chat with about various theories and such, even better when you finally meEt them. It's one of those, 'hey, you're that insane person I've been talking with for months!' things. ;-) Tonga From waterdogn at aol.com Mon Jun 16 06:50:36 2003 From: waterdogn at aol.com (waterdogn) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:50:36 -0000 Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" wrote: > Request for assistance! > > Kelley and I are going to be part of one of the San Antonio Barnes&Noble's > Order of the Phoenix activities. We are dressing up and will be quizzing the > kids on HP trivia. Not sure for how long; not sure what ages. > > Can I beg you all to send me trivia questions? The Wizard Challenge game on the Scholastic website is a great trivia game. The questions are submitted by kids who visit the site I believe. The questions cover all four years - you could swipe a bunch of those! I have to exercise a lot of self control to not spend all my time on that site! http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/challenge/index.htm Trivially yours- Robin Nicholls Waterdogn @ aol.com Southern California From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 11:15:32 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes Message-ID: <20030616111532.36048.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> *drags out decorations and slowly, with aching ironed hands, hangs streamers and blows up balloons* I know, I know, I missed a birthday. Yesterday's birthday honouree was Benny Hill's Angel. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list. I hope your day was filled with much magic and even more fun. Happy Birthday, Benny Hill's Angel! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From cindysphynx at comcast.net Mon Jun 16 12:21:25 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:21:25 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David asked: >Or are there others like me? I'm just like you, David, but we already knew that. :-D I'm not all that keen on buying the book at midnight. I don't want to be tempted to read it right then, for one thing. Second, I assume there will be a line, maybe even a long one. And if anyone else in the room has the book first, I fear they will be one of those "turn to the back of the book and read the ending" types and reveal a major spoiler. Hearing "Hermione dies at the end!" would ruin the book for me. So I'll stay home and read OoP whenever it arrives on Saturday. If I have time. ;-) Cindy From drednort at alphalink.com.au Mon Jun 16 13:38:25 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:38:25 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Friday Night In-Reply-To: <20030615181619.55604.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1055667672.672.6424.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <3EEE54F1.16453.11CC02F@localhost> On 15 Jun 2003 at 11:16, Tyler Hewitt wrote: > Tyler > who is leaving for England on June 23 and has to > decide whether to read OoP very quickly before going > or lug a thick, heavy book overseas... One thing to bear in mind, in case you don't know, is a lot of airlines won't let passengers take hardcover books on board as part of their hand luggage for security reasons now. It may not be an issue for you, but I'd hate to see you buy a copy and have it confiscated by security (-8 Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From timregan at microsoft.com Mon Jun 16 15:38:13 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:38:13 -0000 Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: <20030616045739.14271.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU-OTChatter Petra Pan wrote: > > How about holding up enlarged copies of > > the chapter illustrations and have the > > participants supply the chapter titles to > > match? > Anna, added: > > Perhaps for some of the younger crowd (or, > > as in my case, really old, forgetful ones) you > > could ask which book the picture came from. But do bear in mind that the UK editions do not have chapter pictures, so any UK ex-pats like me in your audience, or people who'd sent away for the UK editions, would be unable to answer any of these questions. Cheers, Dumbledad. From selene at earthlink.net Mon Jun 16 16:40:14 2003 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:40:14 -0700 Subject: Friday Night Message-ID: <3EEDF2ED.F09CDEAB@earthlink.net> >Tyler >who is leaving for England on June 23 and has to >decide whether to read OoP very quickly before going >or lug a thick, heavy book overseas... Lug it there, so you can read it on the plane. Then swap your personally imported American edition with someone who bought you a copy of the British edition. Everyone gets something special! Susan Fox-Davis From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 16 17:06:07 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:06:07 -0000 Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter Petra Pan wrote: > > > How about holding up enlarged copies of > > > the chapter illustrations and have the > > > participants supply the chapter titles to > > > match? Yeah, I agree with the others who commented on how hard this sounds. Maybe it's because I prefer my British copies to the American ones, but I don't think I'd recognize the pictures all that well, and even if I did I don't think I'd know the chapter titles. I bet I could name 5 or 6 from all the books combined. Sheesh, that makes me sound awfully not-obsessed, but am I really the odd one out? Do the rest of you know the chapter titles by heart? I think another fun variation of this game might be to print out pictures of the different international editions and have the kids guess from which country they come. (Or maybe *that* would be too hard, I'm not sure I'm a good judge.) If you were to go the charades route then why limit it to chapters and book titles? You could do categories like places (Hogwarts school of..., The Burrow, Platform 9 3/4, etc), objects (The goblet of fire, Firebolt, Invisibility cloak, Mirror of Erised etc.), people (H,R, and Herm. sure but you could do smaller characters like Madam Rosmerta, Daedalus Diggle, or Piers Polkiss etc), and even events (Quidditch World Cup, Triwizard Tournament...) Those are just a few alternate ideas... hope they help Cheers, Scott From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Mon Jun 16 17:57:00 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (berkana123) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:57:00 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: <011301c331bc$2b5aa7c0$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: No it doesn't make you anti-social. I am getting my copy from Waterstones in Pacadilly at midnight and I am just going into the book store buying it and leaving....But i have to admit, it would be very nice to meet some other Harry Potter fans joanna x --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > David wrote: > > > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this > > hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, > > and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? > > I really doubt there is much in the way of get togethers around here anyway, but I didn't even check. I'd love a get together later on or something, but not for this. I'm going to Barnes & Noble at midnight, but just with one close friend. Actually we're meeting at 6:30 and going to dinner and shopping first. Mainly to keep my occupied so I don't hyperventilate or something. She's the one who started my on HP, though she's not as obsessive as I am. Of course, she has a husband and three small children, and I don't. :) I'd be content to go by myself, but all of my family seemed to think that was a bad idea. Please. I *can* take care of myself. But, this will keep them happy anyway. > > So, no, I don't think you're abnormal at all. > > Richelle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Mon Jun 16 18:01:32 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (berkana123) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:01:32 -0000 Subject: Letters MY on bobble head Dobby doll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's really got me know....'MY' , I can not think what it might stand for... Joanna...who has now started to rattle her brain. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mary" wrote: > I can't figure it out and hopefully someone here can help me. > > When the Chamber of Secrets DVD came out, Shopko stores offered a > free bobble head Dobby doll with dvd purchase. The doll is a fun > addition to my HP collection. > > The one thing I can't figure out is why the tea towel he is wearing > has the letters "MY" on it. They are painted in white on the lower > corner. I could understand if it said "MF" for Malfoy Family but what > do you think MY stands for? > > Thanks! > > ---Mary, wondering if it is so obvious she can't see it From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Mon Jun 16 18:03:44 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (berkana123) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:03:44 -0000 Subject: Friday Night In-Reply-To: <3EEDF2ED.F09CDEAB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oh Lug it on the plane...It would really great if you had both copies of the book.The UK version and your countries version. I would love to have the US version, as well as the UK version, which i have already joanna x --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Susan Fox-Davis wrote: > >Tyler > >who is leaving for England on June 23 and has to > >decide whether to read OoP very quickly before going > >or lug a thick, heavy book overseas... > > Lug it there, so you can read it on the plane. > Then swap your personally imported American edition > with someone who bought you a copy of the British edition. > Everyone gets something special! > > Susan Fox-Davis From artsylynda at aol.com Mon Jun 16 19:38:47 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:38:47 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1072 Message-ID: <17d.1c8ac5f7.2c1f76c7@aol.com> > Dateline on the 20th is supposed to be new or old? > It's supposed to be a new, exclusive interview -- at least that's what I gathered from the promo I heard for it. Sure hope I heard right! Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 16 20:57:22 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:57:22 -0000 Subject: In defense of Porous Robert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Spongebob is unceasingly loyal to his friends, always happy no > matter what curses life throws at him, gets naive pleasure out of > life, has an affinity with the natural world around him (especially > jellyfish), makes an art out of a seemingly mindless job (he's a > burger chef), has unique fashion flare, and makes the lives of those > he touches (either in the cartoon or IRL) happier. That's the best analysis of SpongeBob's personality I've ever read. Bloody BRRRRILLLIANT :-) > Cheers, > > Dumbledad > > PS My kids (8 & 10) both love Spongebob so I felt I had to leap to > his defense. My almost-7-year-old daughter loves SpongeBob too. She is also madly in love with Daniel, knows he'll be only 25 when she's 18, and worries that he won't "wait for" her and will get married before she has a chance to convince him that she is his true love ;-) Anne U (glad her crush is on Daniel and not some of squicky pop-music star) From rvotaw at i-55.com Mon Jun 16 21:29:17 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:29:17 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Friday night References: Message-ID: <019201c3344f$6c5275b0$f7a2cdd1@RVotaw> Cindy wrote: > there will be a line, maybe even a long one. And if anyone else in > the room has the book first, I fear they will be one of those "turn > to the back of the book and read the ending" types and reveal a major > spoiler. Hearing "Hermione dies at the end!" would ruin the book for > me. That is my worst fear. My mother is one of those read the end of the book first types and she has already said she would check the back as soon as I got home with it. But that was before I threatened never to speak to her again as long as I live if she did. So I *think* I'm safe. She did that to me once (not with Harry Potter) and I keep reminding her about it. And it was at least ten years ago. I don't think she'll make the same mistake twice. To me reading the back just ruins the whole thing. Why would anyone want to ruin the book for themselves or anyone else? Someone emailed Mugglenet a scan of the page where someone dies. (They didn't post it, of course) I'd hate to have been the one to read that email. Thanks a lot for ruining the book for me, that sort of thing. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Jun 16 22:05:14 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:05:14 -0000 Subject: Friday Night In-Reply-To: <3EEE54F1.16453.11CC02F@localhost> Message-ID: Shaun Hately wrote: > One thing to bear in mind, in case you don't know, is a lot of airlines won't let > passengers take hardcover books on board as part of their hand luggage for security > reasons now. It may not be an issue for you, but I'd hate to see you buy a copy and > have it confiscated by security (-8 Ah, yes, I can picture the scene now, at the airport: Security guard: Anything else, sir? Tyler: No, just my hand luggage. SG: Let's just take a look... My, my, what's this? Would that be Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix? T: Yes, is that a problem? SG: I'm afraid I'll have to impound this. T: Why? I was hoping to read it on the journey! SG: Um, well, because of... er, because of... security reasons! That's it, yes. Definitely. For security. It's, um, it's a book. Yes. Sorry. David, whose family may have persuaded him to get the book at midnight after all From triner918 at aol.com Mon Jun 16 23:26:51 2003 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:26:51 -0000 Subject: Friday night Message-ID: My Books-a-Million is having a party, like all the others BAMs across the country, and I plan to be there and early in line! I don't need to worry about someone blurting out anything because all the OoPs will be shrink-wrapped! ::looks sadly at dull, short fingernails:: Our local paper had Harry on the front page today and a pic of the cartons of books being delivered to the BAM. Getting me exited, as if I needed any help. Trina, digging out the HP socks and snitch pin already (my dressing up limit!) From Mhochberg at aol.com Tue Jun 17 00:39:08 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:39:08 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Letters MY on bobble head Dobby doll Message-ID: <198.1bdcf265.2c1fbd2c@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2003 11:06:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM writes: > That's really got me know....'MY' , I can not think what it might > stand for... > Thanks, I'm glad to know that I am not the only one puzzled. "MF" would make sense: "Malfoy Family" but "MY" is confusing. Hmm, do we know what Draco's mother's maiden name was? Now that would be a bit of esoterica! ---Mary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx Tue Jun 17 01:29:16 2003 From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:29:16 -0000 Subject: Friday night / help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Trina" wrote: > My Books-a-Million is having a party, like all the others BAMs across > the country, and I plan to be there and early in line! I don't need > to worry about someone blurting out anything because all the OoPs > will be shrink-wrapped! ::looks sadly at dull, short fingernails:: > Our local paper had Harry on the front page today and a pic of the > cartons of books being delivered to the BAM. Getting me exited, as if > I needed any help. > Hello everybody, de-lurking for the second time in a month. I made plans to go to my nearest US city (I live in Mexico) and buy the OoP book (among other few things) and I won't be able to make it on Friday, which is not that bad because I am the anti-social type. Well, the reason I'm writing is that I called Barnes and Noble and I made my reservation, but the nice lady who answered my phone call told me that she couldn't assure me I would get my copy that day. Do you think it would be easier to find the book in any other kind of store (Sam's, Toys r Us, ??) Any suggestions? I would really appreciate your help. Gabriela From ninth88 at aol.com Tue Jun 17 01:30:03 2003 From: ninth88 at aol.com (ashwinder99) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:30:03 -0000 Subject: Predictions Message-ID: My cousin and I have been contemplating OoP and decided to make a list of predictions and place bets on them... So far we have: Who is the fan of Harry's that dies? Where is the place Harry visits that we've never been? Who is the new defense against the Dark Arts teacher? What is it that Hagrid did over the summer? (yeah, that's a... hard one.) I know there's lots of things we're missing, so does anyone have any suggestions or know where a good list is? I know I've been to some sites that have things like this but I don't remember them anymore. Thanks! Only 4 days 3 hours 30 minutes and 49 seconds to go! -Olivia From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 02:34:55 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Friday night / help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030617023455.3798.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Gabriela: > Hello everybody, de-lurking for the second time in a month. I made > plans to go to my nearest US city (I live in Mexico) and buy the OoP > book (among other few things) and I won't be able to make it on > Friday, which is not that bad because I am the anti-social type. > Well, the reason I'm writing is that I called Barnes and Noble and I > made my reservation, but the nice lady who answered my phone call > told me that she couldn't assure me I would get my copy that day. Do > you think it would be easier to find the book in any other kind of > store (Sam's, Toys r Us, ?) Any suggestions? I would really > appreciate your help. Besides other bookstores, you might also have luck at Costco and at Target stores. Since you're going quite a bit out of your way, you might want to call to check on Friday. I do know that the Targets near me will have the books (it's in their ads this Sunday) and one Costco told me they will have it on the 21st which may mean that all the Costcos (at least in my area) will. Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rvotaw at i-55.com Tue Jun 17 03:06:49 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:06:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Friday night/ munchies References: Message-ID: <028f01c3347d$7f04c040$f7a2cdd1@RVotaw> Trina wrote: > My Books-a-Million is having a party, like all the others BAMs across > the country, and I plan to be there and early in line! I don't need > to worry about someone blurting out anything because all the OoPs > will be shrink-wrapped! ::looks sadly at dull, short fingernails:: Shrink wrapped? Whew, good thing I didn't cut my fingernails yet. I was going to, they're so long I've been clawing myself, but they're quite handy for Legos, which I've been teaching this summer. (yes, teaching, not playing) Someone mentioned possibly not being able to get their book from a bookstore on Friday night, as they weren't previously preordered. I'd check someplace like Wal-Mart or Target. The local Wal-Mart here isn't doing any preorders, but they've got the countdown calendar out and seem raring to go. So I expect they'll be getting them right out as well. Oh, and as for munchies while reading OotP. I checked my stock, and found I have a good supply. I've got both UK and US Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans, a couple bars of Honeydukes chocolate, a bag of Sherbert lemons, a couple of acid pops, a bag of Fizzing Whizbees, and a dragon egg. I also went to the store tonight and stocked up on Muggle snacks (Goldfish crackers, Werthers, Reisens, and Nutter Butters, as well as those mini cans of Root Beer). I figure I'm well covered for salty, sweet, sour, crunchy, chewy, and so on. Anything I've forgotten to get?!?! Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 04:03:51 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:03:51 -0000 Subject: Friday Night/US vs. UK or other tongues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "berkana123" wrote: > Oh Lug it on the plane...It would really great if you had both > copies of the book.The UK version and your countries version. I > would love to have the US version, as well as the UK version, which > i have already > > joanna > x > > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Susan Fox-Davis > wrote: > > >Tyler > > >who is leaving for England on June 23 and has to > > >decide whether to read OoP very quickly before going > > >or lug a thick, heavy book overseas... > > > > Lug it there, so you can read it on the plane. > > Then swap your personally imported American edition > > with someone who bought you a copy of the British edition. > > Everyone gets something special! > > > > Susan Fox-Davis This thread woke up one of my brain cells; I, as a resident of the US, ordered the US version thru Amazon, and I also splurged and ordered the UK version. The former, for my son, and the latter, for me. I read somewhere (it may have been the article in Time.com this week) that many people in the US are ordering both the US and UK copies. My question is how many non-US residents are ordering the US copy? Or, for that matter, how many of you on the other side of the pond own any of the first 4 copies in the US version? Just a thought to muse me in the remaining hours . . . Anna . . . (who's trying to figure out how to wear her HP t-shirt friday nite to work even tho it's against dress code!) From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 09:42:57 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:42:57 -0000 Subject: D&D&Frodo&Gollum; Living in a Fantasy world In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Barb wrote: > >There is a vast difference between > >being a reader of SF and fantasy and being a D & D addict, even > >though there is admittedly some overlap in the groups. When I was just getting to know my dh, he said he loved LOTR and I, still a novice in Middle Earth, said something about the connection to D&D . . . Hoo boy. It's amazing he kept talking to me, still less married me, because he was as avidly anti-D&D as he was pro-Tolkien. I'm not sure whether he had objections to D&D stuff himself, or just hated being lumped in with something that didn't interest him in the least. I realized recently, as I thought about the books that dh and I are currently reading together or separately, that the list is heavily dominated by fantasy and/or scifi. We have some other things going as well, but the list includes: LOTR (Fellowship in French [we're up to the Council of Elrond! I think we may finish the trilogy by the time we're 75], Return of the King in the car) The Silmarillion Master of Middle-Earth The Birthday of the World, LeGuin The Golden Compass, Pullman HP (PoA--dh is listening to it, can you believe it?! I think he concluded that I would divorce him if he didn't, and I'm letting him think so) and most nights we watch a segment or two of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Geekily, Amy who is very glad that Binx has seen the light From tesseract197 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 17 10:14:04 2003 From: tesseract197 at earthlink.net (tesseract197) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:14:04 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *jumping on the thread several days late because she absolutely cannot bear keeping quiet any more and her RL friends, family and coworkers are sick and tired of hearing her rant* My Friday night here in northwest Missouri will go something like this: ~~Work until 11:30. The earliest I'd be able to leave is 11:15, and my boss is already worried that I won't be able to make it even that far--she's got this crazy idea I might be distracted or something. ~~Drive to the Hastings store 10 minutes away and wait for midnight. ~~Pick up 2 preordered copies of OotP (1 for me, 1 to send to my mom in central Ohio--that's a whole big saga) and accompanying free chocolate. My friend in south Texas says her Hastings is giving out Chocolate Frogs, but we Missourians just get Hershey bars--harrumph. ~~Drive to my apartment 10 minutes away. ~~Read OotP until I fall asleep. I'd like to make the first read- through last a week or so, but realistically speaking I'll probably devour it in a few days. It would be even faster, but I have to make time for work (curse my nights-and-weekends schedule) and sleep. This plan doesn't leave much time for socializing, which is fine by me. I just want to buy the book, get it home and start reading with as few distractions as possible (although I wouldn't turn down freebies if offered). I think I'll stop by Hastings tomorrow to ask about their plans, just so I know what I'm getting into. So that's my private OotP release ritual. It shall commence in less than 4 days. Yayyy! Tess who is concerned beyond words at the idea that a fellow shopper might blurt out spoilers while waiting in line to pay. People suck. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Jun 17 10:26:18 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:26:18 -0000 Subject: Shock horror Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2996718.stm D From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Tue Jun 17 10:51:42 2003 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:51:42 -0000 Subject: Letters MY on bobble head Dobby doll In-Reply-To: <198.1bdcf265.2c1fbd2c@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Mhochberg wrote: > Thanks, I'm glad to know that I am not the only one > puzzled. "MF" would make sense: "Malfoy Family" but "MY" is > confusing. I do not see why it couldn't be a contraction of Malfoy, keeping the first and last letters - I know I have encountered that type of contraction of words on occasion. > Hmm, do we know what Draco's mother's maiden name was? Now that > would be a bit of esoterica! No, we do not - after all, we've so far only met Mrs Malfoy when she entered the VIP-box at the Quidditch World Cup. This can, of course, be subject to change this Saturday. Best regards Christian Stub? From alexpie at aol.com Tue Jun 17 11:36:46 2003 From: alexpie at aol.com (alexpie at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:36:46 EDT Subject: Friday Night/US vs. UK or other tongues Message-ID: <1a4.1607dad7.2c20574e@aol.com> Anna wrote: > My question is how many non-US residents are ordering the US copy? > Or, for that matter, how many of you on the other side of the pond > own any of the first 4 copies in the US version? > I will be picking up two deluxe U.S. editions Friday night (to which the bookstore is adding some treats and contest entries), and shipping one to a friend in London the next day. She has also sent me the Stephen Fry version of the PoA audiobook. Best of all, we met on the HPfGU list! Ba [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From craig.frizzell at marquette.edu Tue Jun 17 11:38:41 2003 From: craig.frizzell at marquette.edu (craigf4656) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:38:41 -0000 Subject: Amazon Saturday Delivery Time Message-ID: I have a preorder in at Amazon (US). See, here's my problem -- I have a 2 hour drive to make late Saturday afternoon, which means I have to sleep the night before so no midnight party for me. Now, I want to get as much read as I can before I have to leave -- if possible the whole book. But what time can I expect it to be delivered? Is there any reason to expect it before, say 8:00, which would give me time to drive to the local non-24 hour Wal-Mart to buy a copy at 7 when they open? Or will it more likely arrive around noon, making getting the second copy a good idea? Thanks, and back to lurking, Craig From trisha.masen at verizon.net Tue Jun 17 12:36:33 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 8:36:33 -0400 Subject: Waterstone's Piccadilly Message-ID: <20030617123633.TOMO12592.out001.verizon.net@localhost> > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:57:00 -0000 > From: "berkana123" > Subject: Re: Friday night > > No it doesn't make you anti-social. I am getting my copy from > Waterstones in Pacadilly at midnight and I am just going into the > book store buying it and leaving....But i have to admit, it would be > very nice to meet some other Harry Potter fans > joanna > x I thought I read on TLC that Waterstone's Piccadilly had decided *not* to be open at midnight Friday because it might endanger the little ones who would be there. (I think, specifically, it was that it's not in the best area at night for kids - adults, yes, because there are bars - kids, no.) So, you might want to check. They'll be open 8 a.m. Saturday. ~Trisha From ression at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 12:38:53 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:38:53 -0000 Subject: Friday night/ munchies In-Reply-To: <028f01c3347d$7f04c040$f7a2cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" > > Oh, and as for munchies while reading OotP. I checked my stock, and found I have a good supply. I've got both UK and US Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans, a couple bars of Honeydukes chocolate, a bag of Sherbert lemons, a couple of acid pops, a bag of Fizzing Whizbees, and a dragon egg. I also went to the store tonight and stocked up on Muggle snacks (Goldfish crackers, Werthers, Reisens, and Nutter Butters, as well as those mini cans of Root Beer). I figure I'm well covered for salty, sweet, sour, crunchy, chewy, and so on. Anything I've forgotten to get?!?! > Alka-Seltzer? ER From ression at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 12:51:59 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:51:59 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: <019201c3344f$6c5275b0$f7a2cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" > Someone emailed Mugglenet a scan of the page where someone dies. >(They didn't post it, of course) I'd hate to have been the one to > read that email. Thanks a lot for ruining the book for me, that > sort of thing. > I plan to be nowhere near an HP forum or group of any kind until I've finished the book! So, some time in July then ... it will be a shame if Hermione dies, but maybe JKR will be trapped into making each book more dramatic than the last? Armageddon for the last chapter of book seven? ER From hp at plum.cream.org Tue Jun 17 14:57:37 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:57:37 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Waterstone's Piccadilly In-Reply-To: <20030617123633.TOMO12592.out001.verizon.net@localhost> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030617154858.009cab90@plum.cream.org> At 13:36 17/06/03 , Trisha Masen wrote: >I thought I read on TLC that Waterstone's Piccadilly had decided *not* to >be open at midnight Friday because it might endanger the little ones who >would be there. (I think, specifically, it was that it's not in the best >area at night for kids - adults, yes, because there are bars - kids, >no.) So, you might want to check. They'll be open 8 a.m. Saturday. It seems you got your wires crossed there. The announcement on TLC was about Waterstone's in *Camden* (which is just north of King's Cross, as it happens). The Camden shop is in the middle of the local nightlife area and it's because of all the (potentially drunk) pub-goers, clubbers, etc., that the shop got worried. Personally, I think it's a cop-out - how many *kids* are likely to be out at midnight? The kind of kids likely to be into books aren't the kind who find being up (never mind out on the streets) at midnight normal. Waterstone's Piccadilly is going to be the major centre for the book's launch (it's a very, very, big shop) and I've seen reports that both Waterstone's and Bloomsbury are spending a small fortune on the party there. Although I'm a little surprised that there seems to be no indication that JKR herself will be present, in which case it all becomes a bit silly. (Not that I don't find the whole hoop-la, injunctions, etc, etc completely off the scale in terms of silliness already...). From heidit at netbox.com Tue Jun 17 14:53:51 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:53:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Waterstone's Piccadilly Message-ID: Richard wrote: **I'm a little surprised that there seems to be no indication that JKR herself will be present, in which case it all becomes a bit silly. ** She's going to be in South Africa on holiday for at least the weekend. We posted this on tlc, iirc, about a week ago. Heidi Tandy Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce http://www.FictionAlley.org From naama_gat at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 15:15:44 2003 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:15:44 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ER" wrote: > > > > I plan to be nowhere near an HP forum or group of any kind until I've > finished the book! So, some time in July then ... The Potter mania is so great, I'm going to keep my distance from TV (and radio) as well. I have this nightmare, that I'm watching the regular news, and the anchor, smiling benignly, says "and now to lighter news. It has come to our attention that in the new, much awaited Harry Potter book, one of Harry's best friends die! and now to the weather ..." In fact, I'm so paranoid, I'm even afraid ordinary people I meet will blurt out something about the plot. So, no news, no talkshows and no social life for me until I've finished reading! (I think I qualify for HP Obsessives Annonymous, don't you think?) Naama, who won't drive to the mall especially to buy the book for fear of the ultimate irony of dying in a car crash on the way back From selene at earthlink.net Tue Jun 17 15:14:20 2003 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:14:20 -0700 Subject: Letters MY on bobble head Dobby doll Message-ID: <3EEF304C.F56EA1EB@earthlink.net> Maybe somebody got fed up with Dobby's irritating habit of referring to himself in the third person and enchanted a bleedin' PRONOUN on his head... Mugglimi non carborundum, Susan Fox-Davis selene at earthlink.net From selene at earthlink.net Tue Jun 17 15:20:04 2003 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:20:04 -0700 Subject: Friday Night/US vs. UK or other tongues Message-ID: <3EEF31A4.86939F25@earthlink.net> Anna muses: >I, as a resident of the US, ordered the US version thru Amazon, and I >also splurged and ordered the UK version. The former, for my son, >and the latter, for me. I read somewhere (it may have been the >article in Time.com this week) that many people in the US are >ordering both the US and UK copies. Guilty as charged. I've ordered the "adult cover" OoP to go with the previous 4. Question: do any of the other HP covers [aside from the French] actually picture the students in pointy hats? If not, why not? What's politically incorrect about a witchy hat? Many of the most dedicated patriots we know are witches. [viz. LAMMAS NIGHT by Katherine Kurtz, etc.] Mugglimi non carborundum [don't let the Muggles grind you down] Susan Fox-Davis selene at earthlink.net From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 15:43:25 2003 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:43:25 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > On the London list we have been discussing the possibility of a get- > together on the night of Friday 20th. I have decided not to > participate, partly for a variety of practical reasons to do with > transport and the need not to be too tired on Saturday. > > But even without these practical constraints, I don't think I'd want > to do it. Basically, I want to go into a bookshop, get the book, > take it home and then read it when I can. I think I have a marginal > preference for doing that in the daytime, but if I went at midnight > I'd still ignore all the other customers in the shop and hope they'd > ignore me. > > After I've read the book I'll discuss online and offline, of course. > > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I mean, there's all this > hoopla with muari (or is it mauri) which loads of people want to do, > and I wondered if I was abnormal here. Or are there others like me? > > David Annemehr: I don't think it makes you anti-social, but I still think you could do both if you wanted to (and could afford to stay up late). I don't know what the people in London are planning, but I assume it must be much the same everywhere that has a midnight release time. I live in the US and am taking my kids and meeting friends of ours at a local Borders. We will arrive sometime *before* midnight and enjoy the people and activities until 12:00, at which time everyone will line up to get their copies -- but then the store will close and everyone will go home and read! So yes, we will be reading OoP as soon as we can, just as you would like to do. Actually, I might not get to read it right away since it is sort of traditional that my oldest daughter reads them first (we bought her PS/SS for her ninth birthday in 1999). But I figure she has to fall asleep sometime, and I am much better at staying up late than she is! This raises a fear of mine, that I will accidentally hear about what happens at the end of the SEVENTH book before I get a chance to read it -- so I am already planning to buy two copies as soon as it's realeased: one for my daughter and one for me! Of course, I am still worried that the one of us who finishes first will inadvertently show on her face whether the ending was happy or sad... Annemehr shuddering to think about the pressures for someone to leak the ending of book 7 between the time Bloomsbury gets it and the publishing date From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 16:04:27 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:04:27 -0000 Subject: Shock horror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2996718.stm > > D Psst... anyone wanna bootleg copy of OOP? Goin' cheep? Pip From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 17 16:30:12 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:30:12 -0000 Subject: [FoxTrot] Leaked copy of OoP on the Internet Message-ID: Hi All, Check out FoxTrot from June 17 2003 Cheers, Dumbledad From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 16:40:25 2003 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:40:25 -0000 Subject: Adult fans Message-ID: How about this article about adult fans of HP? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2975466.stm Do the quoted comments from Joel Rickett sound as much beside-the-point to the rest of you as to me? I do see the nostalgia trend going on in our culture, but it has nothing to do with why I first started liking HP or why I keep reading the books over and over. Then at the end, the writer cites that the children's versions are selling at a rate ten times that of the adult versions as if this was telling. How can you draw any conclusions from that, though? How many adult fans have children and just buy the one (children's cover) version? I live in the US, and we didn't even have any other covers until more recently, but I wouldn't bother with them so our purchases would always be listed under the "children's" column. On a related note, I was also shaking my head over the odd item in the press that I would notice last year, that sales of HP books were falling. Well, OF COURSE THEY WERE! EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE LEFT TO BUY??? ::stops to take deep breaths:: That would be like printing, in Autumn, that the leaves were myseriously drying up and falling off the trees (with the implication that there might be some *disease* spreading among them)! Annemehr who can certainly believe that JKR could come up with Rita Skeeter *before* she became "news". From MsSeverusLucius at aol.com Tue Jun 17 16:51:58 2003 From: MsSeverusLucius at aol.com (MsSeverusLucius at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:51:58 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Adult fans Message-ID: I ordered both the US copy and the UK Childrens copy, because the cover fit the 4 paperback book set I bought last year from the UK. The UK copy is for ME, the US copy for my kids to fight over, lol. (Tho I will be reading it out loud to them all as well.) Plus, I didn't care for the artwork on the adult copy...so 'drugstore novella' ... ~shahara << How many adult fans have children and just buy the one (children's cover) version? >> From talisman at cyberspeedway.net Tue Jun 17 17:03:34 2003 From: talisman at cyberspeedway.net (Talisman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:03:34 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Adult fans References: Message-ID: <3EEF49E6.9040904@cyberspeedway.net> annemehr wrote: > Then at the end, the writer cites that the children's versions are > selling at a rate ten times that of the adult versions as if this was > telling. How can you draw any conclusions from that, though? How > many adult fans have children and just buy the one (children's cover) > version? Talisman in Arizona: I've honestly never seen an actual copy of one of the "adult" versions of the book. I haven't really gone and looked for them, either, but I don't see the whole reason for changing the cover of the book to look more "mature". You are still reading a kids book and a change in cover isn't going to change that. LOL! I have seen pictures of the adult covers and to be honest, I really like the kid covers better. More colorful, vibrant etc.. (at least to me) So I agree with you when you say you can't really draw any sort of conclusion by the number of "adult" covers vs. the number of "kid" covers sold. If I ever bought an "adult" cover copy of the book it'd probably be for purely collectors purposes...but I really have no intention of buying any of the "adult" covers because I'm perfectly secure in my Harry Potter fandom to carry around a copy of the kiddie version. LOL! Talisman in Arizona From selene at earthlink.net Tue Jun 17 18:12:01 2003 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:12:01 -0700 Subject: Foxtrot comic about Harry Potter Message-ID: <3EEF59F1.3BF1D820@earthlink.net> You guys have to see this! http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/index.phtml Susan Fox-Davis [no relation!] From flitwicksman at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 18:15:58 2003 From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:15:58 -0000 Subject: Adult fans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've seen a number of things advertised as being "for the whole family" of which means that they are only for kids. Yet Harry Potter goes beyond such labeling as I do not see them as "kids books" yet instead books about kids that kids can enjoy as well as anyone, of any age. At 44, I sometimes get funny looks from people when I mention that I am a "Harry Potter fanatic" yet all the while I seem to peak their curiosity and will possibly read the books for themselves. One thing that I did not see in the article is the demographic done recently by Scholastic that mentioned as of January of this year, 50% of Harry Potter's reader are 35 and over (finally, I fit in somewhere!!). Brian:-) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > How about this article about adult fans of HP? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2975466.stm > > Do the quoted comments from Joel Rickett sound as much > beside-the-point to the rest of you as to me? I do see the nostalgia > trend going on in our culture, but it has nothing to do with why I > first started liking HP or why I keep reading the books over and over. > > Then at the end, the writer cites that the children's versions are > selling at a rate ten times that of the adult versions as if this was > telling. How can you draw any conclusions from that, though? How > many adult fans have children and just buy the one (children's cover) > version? > > I live in the US, and we didn't even have any other covers until more > recently, but I wouldn't bother with them so our purchases would > always be listed under the "children's" column. > > On a related note, I was also shaking my head over the odd item in the > press that I would notice last year, that sales of HP books were > falling. Well, OF COURSE THEY WERE! EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE LEFT TO > BUY??? ::stops to take deep breaths:: That would be like printing, > in Autumn, that the leaves were myseriously drying up and falling off > the trees (with the implication that there might be some *disease* > spreading among them)! > > Annemehr > who can certainly believe that JKR could come up with Rita Skeeter > *before* she became "news". From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 18:46:40 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Adult fans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030617184640.75164.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Annemehr, in part: > I live in the US, and we didn't even > have any other covers until more > recently, We now have other covers?! Petra, wondering how she missed that a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 18:58:21 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (gwendolyngrace) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:58:21 -0000 Subject: A strange question..... Message-ID: Is there a dentist in the house? If so, do you have an inexpensive source for toothbrushes? Please contact off-list. Thanks, Gwen From MsSeverusLucius at aol.com Tue Jun 17 18:58:54 2003 From: MsSeverusLucius at aol.com (MsSeverusLucius at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:58:54 EDT Subject: rip or savor Message-ID: <167.21dc34a3.2c20beee@aol.com> are you gonna rip thru the book, or savor it word for word ? ~MsSL From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 19:18:20 2003 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:18:20 -0000 Subject: Adult fans In-Reply-To: <20030617184640.75164.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan wrote: > Annemehr, in part: > > I live in the US, and we didn't even > > have any other covers until more > > recently, > > We now have other covers?! > > Petra, wondering how she missed that > a > n :) > I knew I saw them displayed in bookstores, so I went on bn.com to see exactly what they were. They are paperbacks, and the one for Sorcerer's Stone is a mostly blue cover with a fairly small picture on the front (not the same one we're used to). I copied this from the info for the book: Product Details: ISBN: 043936213X Format: Mass Market Paperback, 384pp Pub. Date: October 2001 Publisher: Scholastic, Inc. Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 19,020 Age Range: Young Adult Series: Harry Potter Series, #1 So, though it is not an "adult cover" per se such as Bloomsbury publishes, it is definitely more toned down than the original one. Notice that these are categorized as "young adult" -- I have noticed other books (such as the Redwall series) that appear in different editions in the children's and the young adult sections, and my daughter now checks both places for her books and buys the cheapest. Annemehr From Malady579 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 19:21:42 2003 From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:21:42 -0000 Subject: rip or savor In-Reply-To: <167.21dc34a3.2c20beee@aol.com> Message-ID: MsSeverusLucius asked: > are you gonna rip thru the book, or savor it word for word ? Hmmm...I am one to read it as quickly as I can the first time to get the plot and general impression. (Also check off in my head whose theories were right. ::grin::) The second read, I probably still will read it fast but catch more of the little details. Third time, I should have it echoing in my head enough to relax and savor what precisely Harry gets for Christmas and the syntatical structure of how Hagrid dies. That should all happen in the first week too. Though, Saturday I will be reading it fast because it will be read and run with my brother's wedding. I am still trying to convince them to erect a stand next to the cake so I can serve it and read at the same time. :D Melody who just found the perfect dress for the wedding and got the *cutest* shoes to go with it. Strappy little black things. Quite adorable. Damn, I am such a girl sometimes. :) From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 19:27:27 2003 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:27:27 -0000 Subject: rip or savor In-Reply-To: <167.21dc34a3.2c20beee@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, MsSeverusLucius at a... wrote: > are you gonna rip thru the book, or savor it word for word ? > ~MsSL Both, simultaneously at the same time! :D What I mean is, while I won't be reading especially quickly, I *will* be reading for hours at a time (as much as possible), so it shouldn't take me very long to finish it for the first time. When I got my hands on GoF, I started reading in the evening and read continuously until 6:00 a.m., when I figured I ought to stop and get a bit of a nap before the kids woke up! After getting everyone happily breakfasted and occupied with other things, I then read the remaining three or so chapters I had left. Next, I basked in the glow for a day or two, and then read it again, even more slowly (and at reasonable hours!) I figure it will be much the same for OoP. Annemehr who, like others, intends to read it twice before returning to HPfGU From glcherry at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 17 19:27:24 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:27:24 -0000 Subject: Copies of OoP stolen! Message-ID: Headline News is reporting that a truck full of copies of Order of the Phoenix (including the truck itself!) have been stolen in London retail value 200,000 dollars minimum, and that they will prosecute anyone who has a copy before June 21st. Guess someone REALLY couldn't wait huh? Lorrie From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 19:33:05 2003 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:33:05 -0000 Subject: Letters MY on bobble head Dobby doll In-Reply-To: <3EEF304C.F56EA1EB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Susan Fox-Davis wrote: > Maybe somebody got fed up with Dobby's irritating habit of referring to > himself in the third person and enchanted a bleedin' PRONOUN on his > head... Now Alice: Now THAT is a good one!!! :-))) There's nothing more irritating (oh all right, maybe this is an exaggeration) than characters refering to themselves in the third person - yikes! Dobby just messed it up with me the moment he opened his mouth. There he was, sitting perfectly nicely on Harry's bed, and then he goes and ruins it all. Ah, well... > Mugglimi non carborundum Oh, please, oh pleezy-wheezy-lemon-squeezy *g* tell me what that means? Muggles aren't made of Carbon? :-))) Just so there's some point to this post, I found an article on fanfiction in the Spectator today, it's not up online, but I'll quote the relevant part: "But, wouldn't you believe it, it's Harry Potter who is the Star Wars of fanfic. The output of the little wizard's fans surpasses even that of the Trekkies, originators of fan fiction way back with Spockanalia magazine in the 1960s. J.K. Rowling's official line is, 'I've read some of it... I find it very flattering that people love the characters that much.' Her publisher's are a little less chipper about Potter slash, for obvious reasons. But Rowling couldn't doa Rice if she wanted to. Who wants to be the children's author who legally harangues eight-year-olds? Besides, the motivation behind much fan fiction is frustration at a lack of new material. The promise of Harry Potter book per year, which went to the wall in favour of endless Potter product synergy, leaves the rights holders with only themselves to blame for the varied quality at www.fanfictionlinks.com." Benet Simon, The Spectator Love, Alice From joym999 at aol.com Tue Jun 17 19:55:39 2003 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:55:39 -0000 Subject: Copies of OoP stolen! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "stardancerofas" wrote: > Headline News is reporting that a truck full of copies of Order of the > Phoenix (including the truck itself!) have been stolen in London > retail value 200,000 dollars minimum, and that they will prosecute > anyone who has a copy before June 21st. Guess someone REALLY couldn't > wait huh? It wasn't me, I swear! I am going to the zoo on Friday with a friend, who has promised to keep an eye on me all day and not let me buy a gun (I live in Washington, DC, so that's not all that hard) and go into any bookstores and threaten to shoot them unless they give up a copy of OoP. I may sneak away from her, though, so you all might want to start baking me a cake with a file in it. --Joywitch, impatiently From ladilyndi at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 20:24:04 2003 From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Copies of OoP stolen! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030617202404.94312.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> --- stardancerofas wrote: > Headline News is reporting that a truck full of > copies of Order of the > Phoenix (including the truck itself!) have been > stolen in London > retail value 200,000 dollars minimum, and that > they will prosecute > anyone who has a copy before June 21st. Guess > someone REALLY couldn't > wait huh? Lynn: LOL Guess not. It was reported here that copies arrived in Holland in trucks loaded with vegetables. They certainly knew how to pack them so the kids wouldn't find them. LOL Lynn ===== For the international news that's fit to print http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cnnworldnewsq-a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kcartweel at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 20:54:25 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:54:25 -0000 Subject: What time should I get in line? Message-ID: I did not preorder the book and am instead going to wait in line with my friends. So what do you think? What time should we get there? My friends want to get there 10am. Is that too soon? What time is everyone getting in line? ~Kelsey From kcartweel at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 22:00:36 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:00:36 -0000 Subject: Is there a good quiz somewhere online that sorts you? Message-ID: I would really like to know what house I would belong to without it being random or the quiz asking stupid questions like what position you would want to play in quiddich with seeker=Gryff. or if you like snakes you are in Slyth. Alright well if you know a good quiz tell me! Kelsey From joym999 at aol.com Tue Jun 17 22:19:46 2003 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:19:46 -0000 Subject: Phone Call from B&N Message-ID: I preordered OoP from my local Barnes and Noble a couple of weeks ago, and today I received a phone call from someone there who just wanted to "let me know that the book I ordered, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, will be available starting at midnight on Fr..." Because that's the point at which I (somewhat rudely, I'm afraid) interrupted her with "I know! I'll be there! I know when it's available!" I mean, sheesh, it's *me,* Joywitch, that she's telling! I did talk to the poor woman some more, very nicely, so that she would know that I'm just overexcited. She asked if I was coming on Friday night, and how many children I was bringing. I said, uh, um, I would be there with about 5 people. Children? This is for children? --Joywitch, excitedly From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 17 22:36:04 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:36:04 -0000 Subject: PDF of GoF (was Re: The Lovegoods) Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Izaskun wrote: > The Lovegoods aren't mentioned in any of the other books > or again in GoF, if I can trust the "find" tool of my acrobat > reader. Does this imply that there are electronic (i.e. searchable, analyzable, etc) versions of the books around? That would be such a valuable resource, there are so many analyses that I can imagine running on the books. Wow. Cheers, Dumbledad. From talisman at cyberspeedway.net Tue Jun 17 22:49:00 2003 From: talisman at cyberspeedway.net (Talisman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:49:00 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Phone Call from B&N References: Message-ID: <3EEF9ADC.6060206@cyberspeedway.net> > She asked if I was > coming on Friday night, and how many children I was bringing. I > said, uh, um, I would be there with about 5 people. Children? This > is for children? Unfortunatly, yes.. I think it is. The thing is, it's at 11pm-1am (here at least) how many kids are up that late? LOL The B&N here is having a place to make a HP craft, a "how many beans are in the jar" game, and some other stuff that I can't remember off the top of my head...but yea it's rather kid-oriented. I'm not sure if I'll end up going... I really want to because I want my book NOW but my kids are 5 and 3 and 11pm is just awfully late for them to be expected to act like proper children. Talisman in Arizona From gullicksen at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 23:06:40 2003 From: gullicksen at yahoo.com (Cindy G) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:06:40 -0000 Subject: Amazon Saturday Delivery Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Craig, I called UPS about the delivery window for Saturday. Depending upon your area, delivery can start as early as 8 a.m. and end as late as 1:30 p.m. You also have to be home to sign for the book -- the driver won't leave the package at the door. Hope this helps! Cindy From joym999 at aol.com Tue Jun 17 23:07:09 2003 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:07:09 -0000 Subject: PDF of GoF (was Re: The Lovegoods) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Does this imply that there are electronic (i.e. searchable, > analyzable, etc) versions of the books around? AFAIK, no publisher has released an electronic version of any of the HP books. Hence, any electronic copies would be bootlegs. Therefore, their distribution would be both illegal and a violation of Yahoo's TOS. For that reason, any links to or uploads of any electronic versions of copyrighted materials have never been allowed on any of the HPfGU lists, and any posts which contain any links like this would have to be deleted. Sorry. --Joywitch From ajlboston at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 00:03:08 2003 From: ajlboston at yahoo.com (ajlboston) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:03:08 -0000 Subject: Friday night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" > wrote: Basically, I want to go into a bookshop, get the book, > > take it home and then read it when I can. I think I have a marginal > > preference for doing that in the daytime, but if I went at midnight > > I'd still ignore all the other customers in the shop and hope they'd > > ignore me. > > > > After I've read the book I'll discuss online and offline, of course. > > > > Does that make me hopelessly anti-social? I have no fears. I live a block from the bookstore's building. So I will dress up, attend beforehand, then as soon as they start handing them out, and the book is in my hands, I'll rush to a chair and start reading till they kick me out. Then I'll go straight back home next door and continue reading the rest of the weekend, locked pleasantly in my home with no distractions (or possibly sleep). No problem. Then I can emerge safely on Monday without fearing from spoilers in society! I worked quite hard on the costume, though-- I missed the hoopla last time, so this is a chance to mingle with other fans in my neighborhood. But as soon as 12:01 hits, yes I'll be as 'antisocial' as you, till it's over... >:) A.J. From Joanne0012 at aol.com Wed Jun 18 00:04:13 2003 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:04:13 -0000 Subject: What time should I get in line? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kcartweel" wrote: > I did not preorder the book and am instead going to wait in line with > my friends. So what do you think? What time should we get there? My > friends want to get there 10am. Is that too soon? What time is > everyone getting in line? > > ~Kelsey TEN AM?? Yikes, I suppose it depends on where you're going. When GOF came out, I went to the B&N in my local suburb at about 11 PM. The line for those who had reserved moved rather slowly, since they had to give their name, get checked off, etc., whereas those of us who had just shown up, trusting blindly that there would be enough books for all (how rash!) just grabbed one from the piles of boxes and the line moved quickly. From risako at nexusanime.com Wed Jun 18 00:22:38 2003 From: risako at nexusanime.com (Melissa McCarthy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:22:38 -0300 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Is there a good quiz somewhere online that sorts you? References: Message-ID: <00c701c3352f$b9f6cc40$9e846395@vaio> The best one I've found is at http://hogwarts.7dragons.net/ Melissa, having no clue how to make this not a one-liner Kelsey said: > I would really like to know what house I would belong to without it > being random or the quiz asking stupid questions like what position > you would want to play in quiddich with seeker=Gryff. or if you like > snakes you are in Slyth. Alright well if you know a good quiz tell me! From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 18 00:17:53 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:17:53 -0000 Subject: rip or savor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > When I got my hands on GoF, I started reading in the evening and read > continuously until 6:00 a.m., when I figured I ought to stop and get a > bit of a nap before the kids woke up! After getting everyone happily > breakfasted and occupied with other things, I then read the remaining > three or so chapters I had left. Next, I basked in the glow for a > day or two, and then read it again, even more slowly (and at > reasonable hours!) > > I figure it will be much the same for OoP. > > Annemehr > who, like others, intends to read it twice before returning to HPfGU I must be the slowest adult reader in North America. I assume it will take me somewhere between one and two weeks, reading at lunch (at work) and a few hours every evening, to finish OotP the first time. Plus I will be reading for myself and also TO my not-yet-7-year-old daughter, which means I'll have 2 bookmarks, one for my read and one for hers. Even if I managed to read 50 pages to her every night, it would take me 18 days to finish reading it to her. I hope by then I will have read it at least twice to myself. By then there will be at least 17,375 new messages on HPfGU and I'll never catch up. Oh well. Anne U (enjoyed that list while I could; might have to live here and on HPfGU-Movie till next June) From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Jun 18 00:18:53 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:18:53 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Release question/book covers/rip or savor References: <20030617184640.75164.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d401c3352f$33c52900$78a3cdd1@RVotaw> A question for those of you who preordered/midnight partied/etc. for GoF. When 12:01 came, did you get in line to get the books or get the book and get in line to pay? How does that work? I'm hoping there won't be people standing around doing something stupid like hollaring out who dies or something (horror!) Petra wrote: > We now have other covers?! Only for the first two. I'm not entirely sure, but I think they're coinciding their release with the movie releases. I'm not certain if the trend will continue or if it was merely a coincidence on the first two. MsSL wrote: > are you gonna rip thru the book, or savor it word for word ? Somewhere in the middle, I think. I simply must have it finished by Monday morning, or else I won't be remotely sane to teach summer school. In between there I've got church twice and a bridal shower. So I can't go too slow, but I won't read TOO fast lest I miss something important. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From heidit at netbox.com Wed Jun 18 00:36:47 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:36:47 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Release question Message-ID: **A question for those of you who preordered/midnight partied/etc. for GoF. When 12:01 came, did you get in line to get the books or get the book and get in line to pay?** I went to an independent bookshop - the same place I'll be Friday night - and if you'd prepaid, you either got to stand right around the counter with your hand out, or they gave you a coloured slip of paper which you handed in for the booy. We were all lined up well in advance of midnight and there were 8 clerks ready to dole out the copies. It never hurts to call the place you're going - in advance - and ask what process they'll have in place for the night. From linlou43 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 00:46:01 2003 From: linlou43 at yahoo.com (Linda) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:46:01 -0000 Subject: Phone Call from B&N In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joywitch wrote: > I preordered OoP from my local Barnes and Noble a couple of weeks > ago, and today I received a phone call from someone there who just > wanted to "let me know that the book I ordered, Harry Potter and the > Order of the Phoenix, will be available starting at midnight on Fr..." > > Because that's the point at which I (somewhat rudely, I'm afraid) > interrupted her with "I know! I'll be there! I know when it's > available!" I mean, sheesh, it's *me,* Joywitch, that she's > telling! I did talk to the poor woman some more, very nicely, so > that she would know that I'm just overexcited. She asked if I was > coming on Friday night, and how many children I was bringing. I > said, uh, um, I would be there with about 5 people. Children? This > is for children? Linda: I preordered my copy about a month ago and I still plan on being there at 12:01 am. NO, I am not bringing my kids with me. At thirteen, my son is old enough to go but I'm going with a girlfriend of mine and making a girls night out of it. I plan on eating at a real restaurant (OMG, without listening to the kids bickering),maybe having a drink and discussing what may be in OOP before we go pick up our copies. ( As you might have guessed by now I don't get out much these days.) I got my reminder call from B&N Sunday night and was told that I could pick it up at 9:00 Sat morning. When I asked couldn't I pick it up at the midnight party the clerk was suprised I was going. She had no clue who she was talking to of course. - Linda From kcartweel at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 01:21:57 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:21:57 -0000 Subject: Is there a good quiz somewhere online that sorts you? In-Reply-To: <00c701c3352f$b9f6cc40$9e846395@vaio> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melissa McCarthy" wrote: > The best one I've found is at http://hogwarts.7dragons.net/ I took the quiz three times. Once I was in Huff. Second time I was in Slyth and third time I was in Raven. It was a very good quiz I encourage others to take it. ~Kelsey From bruney200 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 01:29:43 2003 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:29:43 -0000 Subject: I have a theory Message-ID: Sorry if you get this more than once.... I have a theory and dont hate me for it. I think Harry and Hermione are twins and that Dumbledore and Lupin and Sirius are keeping this from Harry and Hermione so Voldemort wont go after her as well. I think when before there parents were killed I think the Potters seceretly placed Hermione with muggle parents so Voldemort wouldnt go looking for her and try to kill her. They told the Grangers about their stituation and the Grangers agreed to take her as their daughter and that she must never knew the truth until Voldemort is utterly destroyed. The Potters then told Dumbledore and Lupin and Sirius but not Pettigrew because he wasnt around a lot and told them to keep it a secret. They look so much a like and they think a lot like each other and they know what the other is thinking. That is why they care about each other so much because they are brother and sister. Thats my theory so dont get mad at me.... Tasha http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarryPotterRocksatHogwarts2/ To those who love Harry Potter need to join this group. From kcartweel at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 01:47:51 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:47:51 -0000 Subject: I have a theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" wrote: > Sorry if you get this more than once.... > I have a theory and dont hate me for it. > I think Harry and Hermione are twins and that Dumbledore and Lupin > and Sirius are keeping this from Harry and Hermione so Voldemort wont > go after her as well. I think when before there parents were killed I > think the Potters seceretly placed Hermione with muggle parents so > Voldemort wouldnt go looking for her and try to kill her. They told > the Grangers about their stituation and the Grangers agreed to take > her as their daughter and that she must never knew the truth until > Voldemort is utterly destroyed. The Potters then told Dumbledore and > Lupin and Sirius but not Pettigrew because he wasnt around a lot and > told them to keep it a secret. > They look so much a like and they think a lot like each other and > they know what the other is thinking. That is why they care about > each other so much because they are brother and sister. > Thats my theory so dont get mad at me.... > > Tasha ummm If they were twins they would have the same birthday. If they had the same birthday I am sure that it would have been mentioned. ~Kelsey From bruney200 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 01:50:02 2003 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (tasha) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I have a theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030618015002.94751.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> I think the Potters changed Hermiones apparance and put a charm on her to retract Voldemort away from her like Hogwarts has a charm on the castle to retract the muggles and other outsiders away from the castle. I think they made her totally different so Harry and others wont know who she is. I think they made their birthdays differently as well so they wont get suspicious about that as well Tasha kcartweel wrote:--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" wrote: > Sorry if you get this more than once.... > I have a theory and dont hate me for it. > I think Harry and Hermione are twins and that Dumbledore and Lupin > and Sirius are keeping this from Harry and Hermione so Voldemort wont > go after her as well. I think when before there parents were killed I > think the Potters seceretly placed Hermione with muggle parents so > Voldemort wouldnt go looking for her and try to kill her. They told > the Grangers about their stituation and the Grangers agreed to take > her as their daughter and that she must never knew the truth until > Voldemort is utterly destroyed. The Potters then told Dumbledore and > Lupin and Sirius but not Pettigrew because he wasnt around a lot and > told them to keep it a secret. > They look so much a like and they think a lot like each other and > they know what the other is thinking. That is why they care about > each other so much because they are brother and sister. > Thats my theory so dont get mad at me.... > > Tasha ummm If they were twins they would have the same birthday. If they had the same birthday I am sure that it would have been mentioned. ~Kelsey Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarryPotterRocksatHogwarts2/ To those who love Harry Potter need to join this group. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kcartweel at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 02:10:35 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:10:35 -0000 Subject: I have a theory In-Reply-To: <20030618015002.94751.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OOOKKKK lol that is a bit of a stretch. I really dont think that that could have happened ~Kelsey --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, tasha wrote: > I think the Potters changed Hermiones apparance and put a charm on her to retract Voldemort away from her like Hogwarts has a charm on the castle to retract the muggles and other outsiders away from the castle. I think they made her totally different so Harry and others wont know who she is. > I think they made their birthdays differently as well so they wont get suspicious about that as well > > Tasha > > > > kcartweel wrote:--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" wrote: > > Sorry if you get this more than once.... > > I have a theory and dont hate me for it. > > I think Harry and Hermione are twins and that Dumbledore and Lupin > > and Sirius are keeping this from Harry and Hermione so Voldemort wont > > go after her as well. I think when before there parents were killed I > > think the Potters seceretly placed Hermione with muggle parents so > > Voldemort wouldnt go looking for her and try to kill her. They told > > the Grangers about their stituation and the Grangers agreed to take > > her as their daughter and that she must never knew the truth until > > Voldemort is utterly destroyed. The Potters then told Dumbledore and > > Lupin and Sirius but not Pettigrew because he wasnt around a lot and > > told them to keep it a secret. > > They look so much a like and they think a lot like each other and > > they know what the other is thinking. That is why they care about > > each other so much because they are brother and sister. > > Thats my theory so dont get mad at me.... > > > > Tasha > > ummm If they were twins they would have the same birthday. If they > had the same birthday I am sure that it would have been mentioned. > ~Kelsey > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Is your message... > An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. > Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. > Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. > None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. > Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarryPotterRocksatHogwarts2/ > > To those who love Harry Potter need to join this group. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MsSeverusLucius at aol.com Wed Jun 18 02:13:21 2003 From: MsSeverusLucius at aol.com (MsSeverusLucius at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:13:21 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I have a theory Message-ID: <23.3118fe1f.2c2124c1@aol.com> Oh, that is so *Star Wars* lol, really tho, nothing would surprise me. =) << I think Harry and Hermione are twins >> From MsSeverusLucius at aol.com Wed Jun 18 02:19:15 2003 From: MsSeverusLucius at aol.com (MsSeverusLucius at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:19:15 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is there a good quiz somewhere online that sorts you? Message-ID: <138.2151a2a6.2c212623@aol.com> did you reply the same all three times? if so, it isn't such a good quiz. =/ << I took the quiz three times. Once I was in Huff. Second time I was in Slyth and third time I was in Raven. It was a very good quiz >> From kcartweel at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 02:25:02 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:25:02 -0000 Subject: Is there a good quiz somewhere online that sorts you? In-Reply-To: <138.2151a2a6.2c212623@aol.com> Message-ID: No I changed a few of my answears each time I took the quiz. Try it yourself it's great:) Kelsey --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, MsSeverusLucius at a... wrote: > did you reply the same all three times? > if so, it isn't such a good quiz. > =/ > > << I took the quiz three times. Once I was in Huff. Second time I was in > > Slyth and third time I was in Raven. It was a very good quiz >> From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 18 02:42:26 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:42:26 -0000 Subject: I have a theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The idea that Harry & Hermione could be twins, or at least siblings, was discussed in excruciating detail on HPfGU (the main list) a few months ago (February? March? I've forgotten already). In April, those who bought the Chamber of Secrets DVD discovered that it contains an interview with JKR (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) in which *JKR herself* states that Hermione was born September 19, 1980... while, as we know, Harry was born July 31, 1980. So, sorry, Harry and Hermione are not twins. I think I'll have Faith on this particular detail. Anne U (hoping we can put this issue to rest) > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, tasha wrote: > > I think the Potters changed Hermiones apparance and put a charm on > her to retract Voldemort away from her like Hogwarts has a charm on > the castle to retract the muggles and other outsiders away from the > castle. I think they made her totally different so Harry and others > wont know who she is. > > I think they made their birthdays differently as well so they wont > get suspicious about that as well > > > > > > > > > I have a theory and dont hate me for it. > > > I think Harry and Hermione are twins and that Dumbledore and Lupin > > > and Sirius are keeping this from Harry and Hermione so Voldemort wont > > > go after her as well. I think when before there parents were killed I > > > think the Potters seceretly placed Hermione with muggle parents so > > > Voldemort wouldnt go looking for her and try to kill her. etc. From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 02:46:30 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:46:30 -0000 Subject: New interview with JKR and Katie Couric Message-ID: OK! I'm about to burst! Pardon if this has been discussed already (I did a quick check and I don't think it has) but I just saw a blurb for "Dateline", this friday nite, and Katie Couric will be (er, currently is) in Scotland to interview JKR! That means that it is indeed a new interview. Katie asked JK about the death, but confessed that she (Katie) would have to be killed if the deceased was identified!! JK, with a very serious face, agreed! AAAAAhhhhh!!!! I can hardly contain myself! especially since I have to work friday nite!!! AAAAAhhhhh! Ok, deep breath! . . . Little better . . . And, for all you New Englanders out there, the Charles Hotel in Harvard Square is offering a "Harry Potter" nite this friday; for $200 and then some, you can stay overnite, in loffly Hahvid skweah, (sorry, the accent just doesn't translate in prose) and have OoP delivered to your door at one minute past midnite. Uh, I think I'll opt for the mailman, and save myself some cash. Anna . . .(who's been 'nesting'{cleaning, washing, planting} in anticipation of the birth of the Phoenix on Saturday!!) From penumbra10 at ameritech.net Wed Jun 18 02:51:14 2003 From: penumbra10 at ameritech.net (Nia) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:51:14 -0000 Subject: I have a theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Anne" wrote: > The idea that Harry & Hermione could be twins, or at least siblings, > was discussed in excruciating detail on HPfGU (the main list) a > few months ago (February? March? I've forgotten already). In April, > those who bought the Chamber of Secrets DVD discovered that it > contains an interview with JKR (someone please correct me if I'm > wrong) in which *JKR herself* states that Hermione was born September > 19, 1980... while, as we know, Harry was born July 31, 1980. So, > sorry, Harry and Hermione are not twins. Me: In addition, JKR seemed to pooh pooh any suggestion that she was "borrowing" from Star Wars. I do have faith that she is too creative to use such a device. Hopefully we'll get a better handle on things when new canon comes out in 3 days. --Nia From tongapeach at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 03:06:14 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:06:14 -0000 Subject: rip or savor In-Reply-To: <167.21dc34a3.2c20beee@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, MsSeverusLucius at a... wrote: > are you gonna rip thru the book, or savor it word for word ? > ~MsSL As with many books I have a nasty habit of devouring them as fast as I can, taking in the basic details, then going back a second time and focusing in on the tiny little details. My answer- rip through it, devour it, chug it. ;-) Tonga From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jun 18 03:25:55 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:25:55 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR interview on BBC Message-ID: <11d.2350f56a.2c2135c3@aol.com> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2998198.stm This will take you to an article titled "Rowling's tears at Potter book death." It is a new (looks like, anyway) interview and a lead-in to the BBC interview on Thursday on BBC 2 at 1930 BST. Being in Ohio, USA, we don't get BBC 2, but I thought y'all would like to know about it. Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tongapeach at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 03:49:53 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:49:53 -0000 Subject: A theory- in light of the others... Message-ID: Something that is plauging my mind- all of our minds I'm sure- is who is dying? I think this is the one thing that I am dreading finding out... while I want answers I'd rather keep my little ideal of the HP world intact. ;-) Now then, onto my brainwave (supported by my little brother). He brought to my attention that JKR mentioned a few times (I don't remember really, but I'll take his word for it) the Lupin is her favorite character. I do remember reading something to this nature, so I don't doubt it's been mentioned countless times. My fear at the moment is, seeing as she cried after killing this character off, that she's killed off everyone's favorite DADA professor. (Of course I have the feeling I'm going to bawl no matter who she kills off). I apologize if this is a repeat- it's just something on my mind that I thought I'd throw out there. I do need something to do seeing that it's almost midnight here and I'm still bouncing off the proverbial walls. ;-) Tonga From Zephyrjaid at aol.com Wed Jun 18 05:05:31 2003 From: Zephyrjaid at aol.com (Zephyrjaid at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:05:31 -0400 Subject: My plans for June 20-21 Message-ID: <099A13AD.0B01ABCA.0D79A1AA@aol.com> The OOTP excitement bug finally bit me the other night and I couldn't sleep until about four in the morning. These last few days of waiting have been worse than the last three *years*. I'm really looking forward to the twentieth. I'm going to meet five friends for dinner at T.G.I. Friday's - not my first choice, but it's in the same parking lot as Barnes and Noble, where we've all preordered our books. I have a feeling we'll be very disturbing to the people around us. I know I'm going to have a hard time controlling the urge to shout with glee at random moments. The Midnight Magic party begins at 11:00pm, so we'll probably spend quite a lot of time hanging at the bookstore after dinner. I'll probably thumb through the books in their Harry Potter section as a quick refresher. I'm (irrationally) petrified that I'll forget some element of the books that will be vitally important in OOTP. This sounds even more stupid when you consider how many times I've read the books - I stopped counting at a hundred. After we purchase our books (my precioussssss) we'll head over to one of the girls' houses and read, read, read. I had a similar party for Goblet in 2000 and it took me about nine hours to read with breaks for naps, food, discussion and a location change (we were reading outside until it started to rain). I've perfected the overall plan so we won't have to be distracted - it will be in the basement, where there are a bunch of couches, chairs and soft carpet, plus good lighting and temperature control, and the munchies will be handed out in individual bags. We won't even have to get up for breakfast - we're having breakfast bars. I'm bringing tons of pillows and blankets for optimum comfort...perfect. I can't wait. Zeph, ready for the worst: papercuts, power outtages, itchy eyes, headache, hunger, anxiety... From Mhochberg at aol.com Wed Jun 18 06:00:17 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:00:17 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Re: Letters MY on bobble head Dobby doll Message-ID: <1a6.1654b4ef.2c2159f1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/17/2003 8:17:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, selene at earthlink.net writes: > Maybe somebody got fed up with Dobby's irritating habit of referring to > himself in the third person and enchanted a bleedin' PRONOUN on his > head... > Sounds reasonable to me. Neve mind SPEW, I just wanted to shake Dobby like a tea towel. He irritated me no end. While I could use a house elf around here, I'd give them all clothes if they acted like Dobby. Thanks for the suggestions everyone. ---Mary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tongapeach at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 06:18:46 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:18:46 -0000 Subject: My plans for June 20-21 In-Reply-To: <099A13AD.0B01ABCA.0D79A1AA@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Zephyrjaid at a... wrote: > The OOTP excitement bug finally bit me the other night and I couldn't sleep until about four in the morning. These last few days of waiting have been worse than the last three *years*. Oh yeah, and no one in my house seems to understand how excited I am... my mother thinks I'm insane, I'm sure. ;-) > Zeph, ready for the worst: papercuts, power outtages, itchy eyes, headache, hunger, anxiety... Power outages? NOOOO! Don't say that! I have a problem here, whenever the wind blows just a teensy bit too hard the lights go out for hours and the EPB don't answer the calls to please come and restore power. Last time it happened there was a HUGE storm, so I understood it was busy- but really! It was 90 degrees out and I had no air at all! No fans, nothing runs w/out precious power- and it was gone for nearly 16 hours!!! Sheesh, I'd hate to think if I'd lived in the time before electricity... people really have grown soft in the last few decades. Tonga (who is still bouncing off the proverbial walls at... 2:30 EST) From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 12:16:31 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Two Birthday Wishes! Message-ID: <20030618121631.30230.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> *staggers exhaustedly into the party room laden with platters of food and boxes of decorations* Someone take some of this before I drop the cake or something! I missed a birthday yesterday, so we have two to celebrate today. Yesterday's birthday honouree was Samantha and today's honouree is Wanda Mae. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Samantha at potionsgurl at theburrow.org and Wanda Mae at kendallchick18 at yahoo.com Wishing you both as much fun, magic and joy as you can handle. Happy Birthday, Samantha! Happy Birthday, Wanda Mae! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jun 18 12:41:22 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:41:22 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amazon Saturday delivery time Message-ID: <180.1beb49d5.2c21b7f2@aol.com> In a message dated 6/17/2003 9:52:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > I called UPS about the delivery window for Saturday. Depending upon > your area, delivery can start as early as 8 a.m. and end as late as > 1:30 p.m. You also have to be home to sign for the book -- the > driver won't leave the package at the door. > really? THey leave packages on my porch all the time, but I live in the country (on a farm) -- maybe it's different in town. Guess I'd better call and check -- I was planning to take my horse to compete in a horse show Saturday. Dang, I don't want to miss my book's delivery. . . Lynda Sappington Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jun 18 12:53:06 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:53:06 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] my plans for June 20-21 Message-ID: <186.1b74296a.2c21bab2@aol.com> In a message dated 6/18/2003 5:37:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > Power outages? NOOOO! Don't say that! I have a problem here, whenever > the wind blows just a teensy bit too hard the lights go out for hours > and the EPB don't answer the calls to please come and restore power. LOL -- there are always flashlights, kerosene lamps, candles. . . . My worry is that I'll be at a horse show Sat and Sunday, and if I'm reading OoP, I may miss my classes, and if I have it there with me, I'll have to bury it in my barn clothes pile in the trailer's dressing room to be sure nobody *notices* it and takes it! Well, I could lock it in the truck, but then I'd have to remember where I put the keys. . . I'm a "read it as fast as possible the first time" person, and I'll probably read it 4 more times before I slow down. Given the size of it and the fact I have horses to care for, a farm to run, a business to run, and oh my, a husband who likes to have dinner at home from time to time, yikes! I suspect I'll be reading a lot more slowly than a lot of you guys -- but it will be a lovely torture, won't it, working our way through the book? Can't wait! Gotta call UPS and find out if I have to be here to sign for it, Yikes!! Lynda Sappington Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 18 14:31:26 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:31:26 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: New York Daily News spoiler Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! Some alert members may have noticed that the web based Main List is displaying its amazing `disappearing posts' trick. There has been some spoiler information in the NY Daily News that is based on a reporter who appears to have broken the legal injunction against pre-publication. The NY Daily News claims that the book was obtained from a small bookseller who didn't know about the injunction. Your spoiler elf claims that she is the Tooth Fairy. So, for the moment, we are deleting NY Daily News based posts. If the situation changes, we'll announce it on the Main List. Pippy Elf For the Administration Team From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 15:51:29 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:51:29 -0000 Subject: I have a theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Nia" wrote: > In addition, JKR seemed to pooh pooh any suggestion that she > was "borrowing" from Star Wars. I do have faith that she is too > creative to use such a device. Hopefully we'll get a better > handle on things when new canon comes out in 3 days. In addition, JKR isn't really a literalist. At this time, until we have any evidence from OotP to the contrary, Harry and Hermione seem to have a brother-sister sort of relationship. It isn't necessary for them to actually be brother and sister for them to relate to each other in this way. Women and men have close platonic relationships all the time without needing to be siblings. --Barb From gypseelynn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 15:51:52 2003 From: gypseelynn at yahoo.com (Rebecca Sylvester) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I have a theory In-Reply-To: <20030618015002.94751.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030618155152.23443.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> tasha wrote: I think the Potters changed Hermiones apparance and put a charm on her to retract Voldemort away from her like Hogwarts has a charm on the castle to retract the muggles and other outsiders away from the castle. I think they made her totally different so Harry and others wont know who she is. I think they made their birthdays differently as well so they wont get suspicious about that as well Tasha Ok, here's my train of thought on that. I'm not sure that HH are twins, but about the birthday thing. I could be wrong, I don't have the books in front of me so I can't check, but IIRC we are never actually told Hermione's bday. That is except for a round about way in POA when she cuys Crookshanks. She tells Harry and Ron that her parents gave her extra money so she could buy herself something for her birthday. Now, if I'm right that means that her birthday falls in August (right?), if not July which makes it really close to HP's. Am I right about that? Please let me know!!! 2 Days, 14 hrs, 9 mins, 58 secs (and counting!!) Beckah Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christi0469 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 18 17:00:53 2003 From: christi0469 at hotmail.com (Christi) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:00:53 -0000 Subject: I have a theory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I rather hope your theory doesn't pan out, as I like the idea that the cleverest witch to come along in however long is muggleborn. As is the witch who at the very least helped foil Voldemort on Oct. 31, 1981. To me that's one of the key points of the book, that ancestry is not all that important. Having thrown in my two knuts, I would like to even though I find your theory unlikely I am glad you posted it. Many people have pet theories and hold onto them rabidly, some which are likely and some which aren't. Without them these lists would be boring in the extreme. Christi T. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" wrote: > Sorry if you get this more than once.... > I have a theory and dont hate me for it. > I think Harry and Hermione are twins and that Dumbledore and Lupin > and Sirius are keeping this from Harry and Hermione so Voldemort wont > go after her as well. I think when before there parents were killed I > think the Potters seceretly placed Hermione with muggle parents so > Voldemort wouldnt go looking for her and try to kill her. They told > the Grangers about their stituation and the Grangers agreed to take > her as their daughter and that she must never knew the truth until > Voldemort is utterly destroyed. The Potters then told Dumbledore and > Lupin and Sirius but not Pettigrew because he wasnt around a lot and > told them to keep it a secret. > They look so much a like and they think a lot like each other and > they know what the other is thinking. That is why they care about > each other so much because they are brother and sister. > Thats my theory so dont get mad at me.... > > Tasha > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarryPotterRocksatHogwarts2/ > > To those who love Harry Potter need to join this group. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 17:08:27 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:08:27 -0000 Subject: Frustrated about spoilers! Message-ID: And not in that way! Okay, so maybe I'm crazy. Maybe you could even call me certifiably insane. But I'm sick to death of finding links to spoilers... And then having those links lead NOWHERE! I WANT some spoilers! I WANT to know in advance! Oh, I won't read ahead once I get the books... it messes up my sense of the story. But I want to hear the rumors, the hints, the teasers, the spoilers. I also sneak around to find my birthday/Christmas presents, and if I find them wrapped, I try to peek in the wrapping. I like finding out about surprises ahead of time. Maybe it gives me a "I'm superior! I know more than you do!" feeling. I don't know. All I know is that I can't find the NYDN review that everyone is complaining about. Everyone has disabled their comments features, so I can't find any discussions relating to it. Even the NYDN seems to have taken down their "review" and only has the "Hey, we got to read it, nyah nyah nyah" story up. So. I know we're not allowed to post links to spoilers, talk about spoilers, etc. But... Does anyone else like to spoil surprises for themselves? Am I really all alone here? My husband gets annoyed at me every time I try this stuff... anyone else out there have family like that? Maybe I am all alone... -Jen, who doesn't like surprises, and who DOES like spoilers... (but who wants to find them on her own, so don't any of you go and send me stuff!!!) From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 17:29:02 2003 From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My plans for June 20-21 In-Reply-To: <1055928966.531.67929.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030618172902.47862.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all. I too am having a Harry Potter party. A bunch of friends are coming here around 8 or 9, we'll play a few games, then head up to Barnes & Noble around 10:30. Oh yeah! What is this Midnight Madness thing I hear about? I just went to the B&N website and it didn't say anything. I'll be there anyway but I still kinda want to know. Christine, who reread GoF for the eighty millionth time to refresh herself __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Wed Jun 18 17:49:09 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:49:09 -0000 Subject: rip or savor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" > wrote: > > > When I got my hands on GoF, I started reading in the evening and > read > > continuously until 6:00 a.m., when I figured I ought to stop and > get a > > bit of a nap before the kids woke up! After getting everyone > happily > > breakfasted and occupied with other things, I then read the > remaining > > three or so chapters I had left. Next, I basked in the glow for a > > day or two, and then read it again, even more slowly (and at > > reasonable hours!) > > > > I figure it will be much the same for OoP. > > > > Annemehr > > who, like others, intends to read it twice before returning to HPfGU > > > I must be the slowest adult reader in North America. I assume it will > take me somewhere between one and two weeks, reading at lunch (at > work) and a few hours every evening, to finish OotP the first time. > Plus I will be reading for myself and also TO my not-yet-7-year-old > daughter, which means I'll have 2 bookmarks, one for my read and one > for hers. Even if I managed to read 50 pages to her every night, it > would take me 18 days to finish reading it to her. I hope by then I > will have read it at least twice to myself. By then there will be at > least 17,375 new messages on HPfGU and I'll never catch up. Oh well. > > Anne U > (enjoyed that list while I could; might have to live here and on > HPfGU-Movie till next June) SSSSAAAAVVVVVOOOUUURRRRRRRRRRRR every single word like it was my wife on our honeymoon. That is how I will read the book. I will also only read it when I am sitting in my favourite chair with a large mug of my favorite papaver tea sipping it as slowly as I savour the words that spill forth from the pages. AAAAAhhhhhh. 2CT7 From craig.frizzell at marquette.edu Wed Jun 18 18:05:40 2003 From: craig.frizzell at marquette.edu (craigf4656) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:05:40 -0000 Subject: Amazon Saturday delivery time In-Reply-To: <180.1beb49d5.2c21b7f2@aol.com> Message-ID: > > I called UPS about the delivery window for Saturday. Depending upon > > your area, delivery can start as early as 8 a.m. and end as late as > > 1:30 p.m. You also have to be home to sign for the book -- the > > driver won't leave the package at the door. Thanks for the info. I was hoping it wouldn't be UPS -- they seem to be particularly inept around these parts. Either way, 8 o'clock means I can make it to Wal-Mart at 7 and be back by 7:30, hopefully. My friends seem to think I've entered whole new realms of dorkdom for purchasing two copies of this thing. I have a feeling they're right, but I don't care. Craig From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Wed Jun 18 18:18:42 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:18:42 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1073 Message-ID: >Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:03:44 -0000 > From: "berkana123" >Subject: Re:Friday Night > >I would love to have the US version, as well as the UK version, which >i have already > > >Joanna x D'uh stupid me, I do not have the book yet...I would still very much love to have the US version as well as the UK version come saturday joanna x >x _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Wed Jun 18 18:48:12 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:48:12 +0000 Subject: The Grangers? Message-ID: I juat had a really weird thought. What if Hermione's parents are actually magical....A witch and Wizard, who are aurors, working under cover for the ministry...Reason why I am thinking this, is because they were in Diagon alley. Isn't Diagon alley hidden to muggles? How did they enter? Also how is it that Hermione, seems to study magic outside of school....In PS/SS, I can't remember the page, she fixes Harry's classes, even before, they had entered Hogwarts. How did she know the spell 'Oculas reparo'..I haven't got the book, so no doubt I have spelt that wrong. She must have studied whist at home, but I thought magic was not allowed outside Hogwarts. Sone people, might say well she had no idea about the rules of Hogwarts, because she didn't even enter the school yet, but what about CoS , when she repairs Harry's glasses for him again in Diagon alley......................What do you guys think? Because to be honest, I believe there is more to Hermione Granger and her family, than just being muggles, with a witch for a daughter. Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From pbarhug at earthlink.net Wed Jun 18 19:29:36 2003 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:29:36 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Phone Call from B&N References: Message-ID: <3EF0BDA0.3090106@earthlink.net> Linda wrote: > > > Joywitch wrote: > > > I preordered OoP from my local Barnes and Noble a couple of weeks > > ago, and today I received a phone call from someone there who just > > wanted to "let me know that the book I ordered, Harry Potter and > the > > Order of the Phoenix, will be available starting at midnight on > Fr..." > > > > Because that's the point at which I (somewhat rudely, I'm afraid) > > interrupted her with "I know! I'll be there! I know when it's > > available!" I mean, sheesh, it's *me,* Joywitch, that she's > > telling! I did talk to the poor woman some more, very nicely, so > > that she would know that I'm just overexcited. She asked if I was > > coming on Friday night, and how many children I was bringing. I > > said, uh, um, I would be there with about 5 people. Children? > This > > is for children? > My local B&N called Sunday to confirm my pre-order. The clerk told my husband (he took the call) that I had pre-ordered one copy and it would be available for pick-up on Saturday morning at am. Well, you can imagine my reaction :D First of all I ordered three copies (one for me, one for my 9 year old and one for a friend) and I want my book on Friday, like any other self respecting HP fan! One frantic phone call later, all was well. The clerk I spoke to encouraged everyone who planned on attending Friday's festivities to drop by the store (B&N in Bethesda, MD) to pick up "the purple sheet:" a flyer outlining the events and expectations for Friday. Anyone with a pre-order can pick up their number between 8 and 9 pm. I suspect (hope) the number will guarantee a place in line. I don't especially relish the idea of waiting half the night in a line on the sidewalk. I was hoping to mosey across the street for some wine and tapas and rejoin the festivities later. My daughter is so excited she has sworn to take a nap Friday afternoon, just so she can stay up later. Like she'll be able to sleep. I know I won't. Yours out of the deepest lurkdom, drpam From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 19:42:12 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:42:12 -0000 Subject: Frustrated about spoilers! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > > > > I WANT some spoilers! I WANT to know in advance! > > So. > > I know we're not allowed to post links to > spoilers, talk about spoilers, etc. But... Does > anyone else like to spoil surprises for > themselves? Am I really all alone here? My > husband gets annoyed at me every time I try this > stuff... anyone else out there have family like > that? > > Maybe I am all alone... > > -Jen, who doesn't like surprises, and who DOES > like spoilers... > > (but who wants to find them on her own, so don't > any of you go and send me stuff!!!) Jen, I must confess, that I, too am somewhat of a 'spoil-sport'! lol! I like to find out things ahead of time, and then wait, excitedly, until it is really time for it to happen! My DH calls it "No Patience!", which very acurately describes me. I think it just comes down to the fact that most of my life I have been the one to buy all the presents,and plan the surprises, etc. I'm used to standing in the background waiting with baited breath for everyone else's expression, and surprised reaction, that when it comes time for me to be on the other end of the rope, I just can't take it!! So I find it difficult having to wait for anything. I must say though, that I never, ever thought of jumping ahead and reading the last pages of the book, until it was mentioned on one of the Lists. Even though it may be tempting, I don't think I will (the ultimate test of Patience for me!) Oh well. 3 more days. Anna . . .(who also hopes the UPS/mail person will just LEAVE the book at my door on saturday, as I will also be out (T-ball final game and Jamboree, . . . in the rain . . . what fun.) From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 20:26:50 2003 From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (Cristina Rebelo Angelo) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:26:50 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Grangers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Message d'origine----- De : joanna barra Reason why I am thinking this, is because they were in Diagon alley. Isn't Diagon alley hidden to muggles? How did they enter? Also how is it that Hermione, seems to study magic outside of school....In PS/SS, I can't remember the page, she fixes Harry's classes, even before, they had entered Hogwarts. How did she know the spell 'Oculas reparo'..I haven't got the book, so no doubt I have spelt that wrong. She must have studied whist at home, but I thought magic was not allowed outside Hogwarts. [Cristina Rebelo Angelo] Somethings you can learn in books, and apparently there is some kind of magic allowed and overlooked (check Gof, for instance).That they were in Diagon Alley has already been discussed here, I believe it's agreed muggles can know things and places magical with authorizations (maybe they have a memory charm afterwards, in case they prove not to be trustworthy). Sone people, might say well she had no idea about the rules of Hogwarts, because she didn't even enter the school yet, but what about CoS , when she repairs Harry's glasses for him again in Diagon alley [Cristina Rebelo Angelo] this one is really starting to bother me. Arthur Weasley repairs Harry's glasses in the book, it's in the film (suppose some sort of narrative economy) that they make Hermione do it. ......................What do you guys think? Because to be honest, I believe there is more to Hermione Granger and her family, than just being muggles, with a witch for a daughter. [Cristina Rebelo Angelo] Sorry for not remembering the exact quote, and for not looking it up in the HPFG archives, but... they're dentists, right? And doesn't Ron say something about a squib in his family who's a dentist? Hermione makes me think of Lilly. Apparently Lilly herself was quite gifted (going home turning teacups into rats and stuff, which is something even Harry has trouble with after 4 years... JKR doesn't say he's bad at it, but doesn't say he's good neither...). Maybe the Grangers are just as enthusiastic as the Evans were... ************************** Cristina Rebelo Angelo Any attached file not mentioned in the body of the message may be a virus; if present, delete it for the sake of your computer, and inform the sender. Thank you. "Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour tracer un chemin/ Et forcer le destin/ A chaque carrefour Quand on n'a que l'amour/ Pour parler aux canons/ Et rien qu'une chanson/ Pour coinvancre un tambour Alors sans avoir rien/ Que la force d'aimer/ Nous aurons dans nos mains/ Amis le monde entier" J.Brel 1956 ICQ 106.255.886 HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From triner918 at aol.com Wed Jun 18 20:48:35 2003 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:48:35 -0000 Subject: The Grangers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joanna wrote: > I just had a really weird thought. What if Hermione's parents are actually magical....A witch and Wizard, who are aurors, working under cover for the ministry...Reason why I am thinking this, is because they were in Diagon alley. Isn't Diagon alley hidden to muggles? How did they enter? I think the Grangers really are regular old Muggle dentists. I wish we knew how Muggle-borns were introduced to the Leaky Cauldron and Diagon Alley, but right now it's all left up to our imaginations. I like to think that someone from Hogwarts visits the Muggle-borns and takes them to Diagon Alley, much like Hagrid did with Harry. And, after all, when we see the Grangers in the Alley, it's Hermione's 2nd year buying school supplies. She's an old hand at it now. It's never been said that Muggles can't go, and they're with Hermione. Joanna again: Also how is it that Hermione, seems to study magic outside of school....In PS/SS, I can't remember the page, she fixes Harry's classes, even before, they had entered Hogwarts. How did she know the spell 'Oculas reparo'..I haven't got the book, so no doubt I have spelt that wrong. Some people, might say well she had no idea about the rules of Hogwarts, because she didn't even enter the school yet, but what about CoS , when she repairs Harry's glasses for him again in Diagon alley Me again: Whoop! Whoop! Movie Contamination Alert! (Hee hee!) Hermione doesn't fix Harry's glasses on the train to school in P/SS. That's only in the movie. When Harry breaks them in the Floo powder mix-up, it is Mr. Weasley who fixes them. The spell is never identified, just "Mr. Weasley took Harry's glasses, gave them a tap of his wand, and returned them, good as new." (CoS pg56.) And as for her practising before school started, well, wouldn't you, if you had learned you were a witch and now had all these really cool books and a wand? And besides, it must have been a relief to find out why she had been making weird stuff happen all her life. Having Hermione not be a muggle-born witch would take something away...and Lucius Malfoy would not be as snarky about the Grangers as he is if they were really pure-bloods. And I think that other wizarding world folk would know if they were aurors. Just my 2 knuts, Trina, fully stocked for late night reading and snacking! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From jeopardy18 at attbi.com Wed Jun 18 20:53:09 2003 From: jeopardy18 at attbi.com (seanmulligan2000) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:53:09 -0000 Subject: The Grangers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joanna barra" wrote: > I juat had a really weird thought. What if Hermione's parents are actually > magical....A witch and Wizard, who are aurors, working under cover for the > ministry...Reason why I am thinking this, is because they were in Diagon > alley. Isn't Diagon alley hidden to muggles? How did they enter? Also how is > it that Hermione, seems to study magic outside of school....In PS/SS, I > can't remember the page, she fixes Harry's classes, even before, they had > entered Hogwarts. How did she know the spell 'Oculas reparo'..I haven't got > the book, so no doubt I have spelt that wrong. She must have studied whist > at home, but I thought magic was not allowed outside Hogwarts. Sone people, > might say well she had no idea about the rules of Hogwarts, because she > didn't even enter the school yet, but what about CoS , when she repairs > Harry's glasses for him again in Diagon alley......................What do > you guys think? Because to be honest, I believe there is more to Hermione > Granger and her family, than just being muggles, with a witch for a > daughter. > > Joanna > x > I though that tom the bar keep let the parents of muggle-born witches and wizards into Diagon Alley. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 22:56:37 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:56:37 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joanna barra" wrote: > > > D'uh stupid me, I do not have the book yet...I would still very much > love to have the US version as well as the UK version come saturday > > joanna bboy_mn: Just a quick note, if you are in the US and want to get UK versions at minimum cost, order them from Canada. I got mine from Chapters.Indigo http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/ Remember that the prices are mark in Canadian Dollars which are worth less than US Dollars, so the prices may seem high, but after conversion they are very reasonable. Current price at todays exchange rate = CA$25.80 = US$19.34. For anyone interested in comparing, here are the exchange rates: (Jan 17, 2003) US$1.00 = BP?0.618 - CA$1.535 CA$1.00 = BP?0.403 = US$0.651 BP?1.00 = US$1.618 = CA$2.484 There are also available for Amazon.ca Sadly, since I don't qualify for Candian Postal Saturday deliver, I'll have to wait until Monday for mine to ship which means I won't get it until Wednesday or Thursday. Just passing it along. bboy_mn From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 18 23:04:41 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:04:41 -0000 Subject: The Grangers? and spoilers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Trina" wrote: > Joanna wrote: > > > I just had a really weird thought. What if Hermione's parents are > actually magical....A witch and Wizard, who are aurors, working under > cover for the ministry...Reason why I am thinking this, is because > they were in Diagon alley. Isn't Diagon alley hidden to muggles? How > did they enter? > > I think the Grangers really are regular old Muggle dentists. I wish > we knew how Muggle-borns were introduced to the Leaky Cauldron and > Diagon Alley, but right now it's all left up to our imaginations. I > like to think that someone from Hogwarts visits the Muggle-borns and > takes them to Diagon Alley, much like Hagrid did with Harry. And, > after all, when we see the Grangers in the Alley, it's Hermione's 2nd > year buying school supplies. She's an old hand at it now. It's > never been said that Muggles can't go, and they're with Hermione. > It's my opinion (though I'm not sure I can back this up with canon) that Professor McGonagall visited the Grangers to explain the letter Hermione received from Hogwarts. I also believe McGonagall took them to Diagon Alley and showed them how to enter, just as Hagrid showed Harry how to enter. I believe that every Muggle-born or -raised student receives a visit from some member of the Hogwarts faculty - otherwise how would ANY of them have known how to get to Diagon Alley to get their school supplies -- not to mention what to make of a letter delivered by owl :-) As for OotP spoilers - there is an entire Yahoo group devoted to discussing them. Somehow I got signed up for it but I've only visited it once because I don't want know the spoilers... You can join it by going to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OotP-Spoilers. Anne U (who shields her eyes against even hints of spoilers on various websites) From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Wed Jun 18 23:05:51 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:05:51 +0000 Subject: The Granger repost Message-ID: I just want to say sorry for mixing up the films and the books, when I first posted this message...It wasn't done intentional....Well I was wondering about the Grangers. I have been wondering for a long time how is it that Mr and Mrs Granger are in Diagon alley in the chamber of secrets? As far as I was aware Diagon alley can only be seen by magical people, which Mr and Mrs Granger are not...So how did they enter? Yes their child is a witch, so she can enter Diagon alley, because she can see it, but her parents are muggles, so how can they see it? As far as I know there is only one way into Diagon alley and that is through the Leaky cauldron....Is that the name of the pub? In PS/SS Harry is in London with Hagrid. then he basically see the pub, which for some reason no other people, except him and Hagrid can see. They enter, because they see it and they are magical. Now for the Grangers...If they came into Diagon alley through the Leaky cauldron, how did they see the Leaky cauldron. They are muggles. The leaky cauldron, should not be visable to them...I'm sure it has a charm protecting it from muggles.....So how then did they enter?...and can some one please tell me if their names have been mentioned? It has been a while, since I read the books, so I honestly can not remember.I just find it very strange because most of the main character's parents have been named, but I can't recall Hermione's parents names ever mentioned. I am probably wrong and should really get speed reading to update me on things before saturday.....I am just very curious about the Grangers...Hermione as well but I will post about her in another message, when I can shorten down my theory on her, because at the moment it is so long, like this message, I could write a novel.... Much Love...waiting for 1201 this friday Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 18 23:07:30 2003 From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:07:30 -0000 Subject: The Grangers? and spoilers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction, the correct address for that Yahoo group is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OotP-SPOILERS/?yguid=89826347 --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > > As for OotP spoilers - there is an entire Yahoo group devoted to > discussing them. Somehow I got signed up for it but I've only visited > it once because I don't want know the spoilers... You can join it by > going to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OotP-Spoilers. > > Anne U > (who shields her eyes against even hints of spoilers on various > websites) From andie at knownet.net Wed Jun 18 23:26:07 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:26:07 -0000 Subject: Two copies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "craigf4656" wrote: > My friends seem to think I've entered whole new realms of dorkdom for > purchasing two copies of this thing. I have a feeling they're right, but I don't > care. > > Craig Just for the record... I bought two copies as well... one to pick up at the midnight party and one to be delivered by Amazon. It's a sickness. :) grindieloe From bugly_3 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 23:26:19 2003 From: bugly_3 at yahoo.com (Christine) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:26:19 -0000 Subject: Question Message-ID: Hey! I am making a Harry Potter site and I don't now what to name it. My thoughts are stuck between Animagi, The Pensive, and Riddle House. What one's do you guys like? I'm taking a poll, and the one with the most is what I'll name it. Thanks! -Chrissy From andie at knownet.net Wed Jun 18 23:31:26 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:31:26 -0000 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christine" wrote: > Hey! I am making a Harry Potter site and I don't now what to name > it. My thoughts are stuck between Animagi, The Pensive, and Riddle > House. What one's do you guys like? I'm taking a poll, and the one > with the most is what I'll name it. Thanks! > -Chrissy I like The Pensieve... :) grindieloe From punkieshazam at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 23:52:22 2003 From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:52:22 -0000 Subject: my plans for June 20-21 In-Reply-To: <186.1b74296a.2c21bab2@aol.com> Message-ID: My mean, wicked boss (me) is making me leave home at noon on Friday to get my car realigned. Then she is making me drive 75 miles to work all weekend. Fortunately, I ordered two copies--one for me and one for a friend and neither of us will ever see fifty again so there goes the children's book theory--from Barnes and Noble. GoF came out in similar circumstances for me and since I hadn't preordered, I couldn't find a copy for about 10 days because they were all sold out. The amazing thing is that it is the only first printing of the books that I own. We close at 6:30 on Sunday and I hope to make it to B&N before they close at 9:00. Once at home, I will devour it as quickly as I can and then go back and read for nuance at leisure. -- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: Gotta call > UPS and find out if I have to be here to sign for it, Yikes!! I used to get regular deliveries via UPS and if you sign a form, they will leave whatever you're getting wherever you tell them. Punkie Petunia is a squib! (Probably won't be able to use that after HP5.) From jmmears at comcast.net Wed Jun 18 23:53:55 2003 From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:53:55 -0000 Subject: Frustrated about spoilers! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > I know we're not allowed to post links to > spoilers, talk about spoilers, etc. But... Does > anyone else like to spoil surprises for > themselves? Am I really all alone here? My > husband gets annoyed at me every time I try this > stuff... anyone else out there have family like > that? > > Maybe I am all alone... > > -Jen, who doesn't like surprises, and who DOES > like spoilers... > > (but who wants to find them on her own, so don't > any of you go and send me stuff!!!) Sorry, Jen. I'm a freak in the opposite direction. I loooove the anticipation! I'm just loving this week, clicking past all the spoilers, and walking around with a grin, thinking about how incredibly cool it's going to be to sit down with the book and be blown away by *everything*. Maybe this is because one year at Christmas (I think I was 9 or 10) I did my usual snooping, found ALL my presents, and had no surprises at all that year. Not fun. Ever since then, I enjoy the ride almost as much as the destination. Takes all kinds, I guess... Jo Serenadust From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 18 23:58:35 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:58:35 -0000 Subject: Two copies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "craigf4656" > wrote: > > > My friends seem to think I've entered whole new realms of > > dorkdom for purchasing two copies of this thing. I have a > > feeling they're right, but I don't care. > > > > Craig > > > Just for the record... I bought two copies as well... one to pick > up at the midnight party and one to be delivered by Amazon. It's > a sickness. :) > > grindieloe No, it's perfectly logical. One copy to read. One copy to lend out to all those friends who say 'why have you bought two copies?' Pip From hp at plum.cream.org Thu Jun 19 00:04:08 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:04:08 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030619005026.0099aeb0@plum.cream.org> At 00:26 19/06/03 , Christine wrote: >Hey! I am making a Harry Potter site and I don't now what to name >it. My thoughts are stuck between Animagi, The Pensive, and Riddle >House. What one's do you guys like? I'm taking a poll, and the one >with the most is what I'll name it. Thanks! Depends on what it's about. A site's name/title should give some kind of indication of what it's about (I'll be honest and admit that I've never thought much of "the Leaky Cauldron" as representing what that site does). My thoughts: "The Pensieve" would make me think of various thoughts/ideas about the Potterverse "Animagi" suggests a limited interest in magical animal life and/or transfiguration; "Riddle House" doesn't really mean much. Far be it for me to dissuade anyone from creating a new site and please don't take this the wrong way, but unless you're going to do something original, I'm not sure that the world (wide web) needs yet another Potter site. As someone who's set up and/or run several sites on several subjects in my time, it's a bit disheartening to put in the great deal of work a site demands without the site being popular, and the only way it's going to be popular is if it presents material not otherwise available... -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who is yet again playing catchup and doesn;t even intend to read all the outstanding messages on the HPFGU lists... From drednort at alphalink.com.au Thu Jun 19 00:24:39 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:24:39 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: rip or savor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EF18F67.2832.657583@localhost> On 18 Jun 2003 at 17:49, twoctseven wrote: > SSSSAAAAVVVVVOOOUUURRRRRRRRRRRR every single word like it was my wife > on our honeymoon. That is how I will read the book. > > I will also only read it when I am sitting in my favourite chair with > a large mug of my favorite papaver tea sipping it as slowly as I > savour the words that spill forth from the pages. AAAAAhhhhhh. > 2CT7 Maybe I am lucky - I enjoy books more if I read them fast (used to be awful at school when we had to read along with the class (-8 ). I'm picking up my book as close to 9.00 am (Eastern Australian release time - same as midnight London time) as possible. I will then have to drop off the 12 year old I am taking to get her copy (it means I won't be home for ten minutes later than I planned, but she threatened to torture my kitty if I didn't take her!), be home as quickly as I can be (maybe by 9.30, if I can get one of the first books) return home and then sit down and read it, accompanied by pizza and pepsi (this is my favourite way to read). I will not stop reading except for brief periods of travel to the Pepsi-elimination station. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From snowwy54 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 00:36:33 2003 From: snowwy54 at yahoo.com (Susan Snow) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030619003633.13445.qmail@web41312.mail.yahoo.com> > Just a quick note, if you are in the US and want to > get UK versions at > minimum cost, order them from Canada. > > I got mine from Chapters.Indigo > http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/ > Remember that the prices are mark in Canadian > Dollars which are worth > less than US Dollars, so the prices may seem high, > but after > conversion they are very reasonable. Current price > at todays exchange > rate = CA$25.80 = US$19.34. > > For anyone interested in comparing, here are the > exchange rates: > (Jan 17, 2003) > > US$1.00 = BP0.618 - CA$1.535 > CA$1.00 = BP0.403 = US$0.651 > BP1.00 = US$1.618 = CA$2.484 > > There are also available for Amazon.ca > Snowwy writes: Thank you sooooo much I have been wanting to geet a copy of the British version of the books especially Book 5. I tried to order through amazon.uk and was told I could not. I didn't realize it was that easy. Iplan to attend a midnight party in the US but I now have the British version on its way! Thanks again Snowwy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From christi0469 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 00:55:02 2003 From: christi0469 at hotmail.com (Christi) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:55:02 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: <20030619003633.13445.qmail@web41312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ordered mine from Amazon.co.uk and the "my account" section of the site says that it will be delivered Saturday, although I am sorely tempted to buy one locally. Unfortunately I did not think to preorder an American version (and reserving a book at Barnes and Noble is no guarantee this late) so I'm just going to have to take my chances at Walmart. I ordered books 1-4 from Amazon.co.uk and they came faster than something I had ordered form Barnes and Noble (american) two days earlier-go figure. Christi T. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Susan Snow wrote: > > > Just a quick note, if you are in the US and want to > > get UK versions at > > minimum cost, order them from Canada. > > > > I got mine from Chapters.Indigo > > http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/ > > Remember that the prices are mark in Canadian > > Dollars which are worth > > less than US Dollars, so the prices may seem high, > > but after > > conversion they are very reasonable. Current price > > at todays exchange > > rate = CA$25.80 = US$19.34. > > > > For anyone interested in comparing, here are the > > exchange rates: > > (Jan 17, 2003) > > > > US$1.00 = BP?0.618 - CA$1.535 > > CA$1.00 = BP?0.403 = US$0.651 > > BP?1.00 = US$1.618 = CA$2.484 > > > > There are also available for Amazon.ca > > > Snowwy writes: > > Thank you sooooo much I have been wanting to geet a > copy of the British version of the books especially > Book 5. I tried to order through amazon.uk and was > told I could not. I didn't realize it was that easy. > Iplan to attend a midnight party in the US but I now > have the British version on its way! Thanks again > > Snowwy > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 01:13:52 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030619005026.0099aeb0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <20030619011352.77046.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> GulPlum: > Depends on what it's about. A site's > name/title should give some kind of > indication of what it's about (I'll > be honest and admit that I've never > thought much of "the Leaky Cauldron" > as representing what that site does). But as news so often 'leaks' out, the name does hold some reference to what it's about for me. Hopefully I'm not completely alone in this... Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From linlou43 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 01:29:17 2003 From: linlou43 at yahoo.com (Linda) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:29:17 -0000 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <20030619011352.77046.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan wrote: > GulPlum: > > Depends on what it's about. A site's > > name/title should give some kind of > > indication of what it's about (I'll > > be honest and admit that I've never > > thought much of "the Leaky Cauldron" > > as representing what that site does). > > But as news so often 'leaks' out, the > name does hold some reference to what > it's about for me. Hopefully I'm not > completely alone in this... > > Petra > a > n :) Me(Linda): I always thought TLC was very appropriatly named. It as named after a pub that serves two functions for the WW. It is a gathering place for conversation and socialization, as well as a gateway to the WW from the muggle world. Sounds about right to me. Just my two knuts. __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From tahewitt at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 01:57:03 2003 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: website name In-Reply-To: <1055978782.1590.40800.m10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030619015703.28724.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Chrissy asks: Hey! I am making a Harry Potter site and I don't now what to name it. My thoughts are stuck between Animagi, The Pensive, and Riddle House. What one's do you guys like? I'm taking a poll, and the one with the most is what I'll name it. Thanks! ME: I'd go with Animagi. It's kind of cool sounding, and not obvious. I haven't looked, but I'm guessing The Pensive has been done already,and is a little obvious. Riddle House is creepy, and non-HP people (the one or two left out there) might think it's a joke site. However, if you are doing a HP jokes website, it would be perfect! Tyler __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 01:59:37 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Two copies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030619015937.2795.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> --- grindieloe wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "craigf4656" > > wrote: > > > My friends seem to think I've entered whole new > realms of dorkdom > for > > purchasing two copies of this thing. I have a > feeling they're > right, but I don't > > care. > > > > Craig > > > Just for the record... I bought two copies as > well... one to pick up > at the midnight party and one to be delivered by > Amazon. It's a > sickness. :) > > grindieloe Don't feel bad, I ordered four copies. I confess, though, that only one is for me. The others are for friends and relatives, one copy of which will be traded for a US version. Sheryll ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From trisha.masen at verizon.net Thu Jun 19 02:25:36 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:25:36 -0400 Subject: Amazon Saturday delivery time References: <1055978782.1590.40800.m10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002e01c3360a$12a8efa0$2401000a@Tlaptop> > I called UPS about the delivery window for Saturday. Depending upon > your area, delivery can start as early as 8 a.m. and end as late as > 1:30 p.m. You also have to be home to sign for the book -- the > driver won't leave the package at the door. > Lynda Sappington writes: really? THey leave packages on my porch all the time, but I live in the country (on a farm) -- maybe it's different in town. Guess I'd better call and check -- I was planning to take my horse to compete in a horse show Saturday. Dang, I don't want to miss my book's delivery. . . I (Trisha) write: This is a special exception to the regular delivery rules of Amazon and UPS. For this book's delivery on Saturday, there must be someone home to sign for it. If there is no one available to sign at the delivery address, it will not be left and delivery will proceed as "normal" on Monday. ~Trisha [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 19 02:38:29 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:38:29 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Frustrated about spoilers Message-ID: <1f0.b59b943.2c227c25@aol.com> In a message dated 6/18/2003 7:30:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > I must confess, that I, too am somewhat of a 'spoil-sport'! lol! > > I like to find out things ahead of time, and then wait, excitedly, > until it is really time for it to happen! My DH calls it "No > Patience!", which very acurately describes me. > > I think it just comes down to the fact that most of my life I have > been the one to buy all the presents,and plan the surprises, etc. > I'm used to standing in the background waiting with baited breath for > everyone else's expression, and surprised reaction, that when it > comes time for me to be on the other end of the rope, I just can't > take it!! So I find it difficult having to wait for anything. > > I must say though, that I never, ever thought of jumping ahead and > reading the last pages of the book, until it was mentioned on one of > the Lists. Even though it may be tempting, I don't think I will (the > ultimate test of Patience for me!) > > Oh well. 3 more days. > > Anna . . .(who also hopes the UPS/mail person will just LEAVE the > book at my door on saturday, as I will also be out (T-ball final game > and Jamboree, . . . in the rain . . . what fun.) > I was frustrated too, until one of the links in THIS digest actually worked to take me to that story (there are no links in the main stories to that page anymore, wonder why?? Maybe that spoiler page is "lost in cyberspace" now with no links pointing to it, who knows?) I read the spoilers, wasn't upset by them at all, they actually confirmed a lot of things I kind of expected. I know the actual story will be a much better read, so I'm not "spoiled" by reading the spoilers -- but impatient me, I'm also one who will peek at the ending of a book if it's frustrating me too much with too many clues in too many directions. I haven't done that with a Potter book yet, but if pushed to it, I will!! ;-> Sure hope I can get UPS to cooperate with me, because I do need to haul Jack (my horse) to a show Saturday, and leave in the morning, right in prime "delivery" time! Maybe he'll deliver early enough I can take the book with me!! Yes, I AM an optimist!! ;-D Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 19 02:46:10 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:10 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] spoilers Message-ID: In a message dated 6/18/2003 7:30:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > As for OotP spoilers - there is an entire Yahoo group devoted to > discussing them. Somehow I got signed up for it but I've only visited > it once because I don't want know the spoilers... You can join it by > going to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OotP-Spoilers. > > So where do they get their info? Are they REAL spoilers, so they have *spies* in the industry leaking them (or something), or are they just conjecture such as we do here? Endlessly curious me, Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Jun 19 03:24:01 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:24:01 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Two copies/ Question References: Message-ID: <00ad01c33612$3b00b840$d3a0cdd1@RVotaw> grindieloe wrote: > Just for the record... I bought two copies as well... one to pick up > at the midnight party and one to be delivered by Amazon. It's a > sickness. :) Ah, I bought three. US regular, US deluxe, and UK adult. :) Chrissy wrote: > Hey! I am making a Harry Potter site and I don't now what to name > it. My thoughts are stuck between Animagi, The Pensive, and Riddle > House. What one's do you guys like? I'm taking a poll, and the one > with the most is what I'll name it. Thanks! I like The Pensive! Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 19 03:29:47 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:29:47 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "I ordered mine from Amazon.co.uk and the "my account" section of the > site says that it will be delivered Saturday, although I am sorely > tempted to buy one locally. Unfortunately I did not think to > preorder an American version (and reserving a book at Barnes and > Noble is no guarantee this late) so I'm just going to have to take > my chances at Walmart. I ordered books 1-4 from Amazon.co.uk and > they came faster than something I had ordered form Barnes and Noble american) two days earlier-go figure." ME: I did this as well (in January) an I was wondering when it will really be delivered. I bought my other British Editions while I was living in England so I don't know, and the other things I have ordered from amazon.co.uk took a long time. In theory if our British books ARE supposed to arrive in the US on saturday then they must be in the mail right? But they *can't* be with the UK embargo. I'm thinking I won't get this book for a few days after...well that's just one reason why I'm DEFINITELY going to be at my local bookshop at midnight for a copy. (I'd still call B&N or Borders...I bet you could still reserve a copy. For GoF I reserved my copy when I got there that night. But then that was three years ago, but there was no trouble.) Scott who thinks having an extra (lending copy) is a good idea...I'm picking up another (american) copy of CoS because I'm afraid I leant mine to someone who isn't giving it back... grrr! From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 19 03:43:29 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:43:29 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: as an addition to my last message-- I just checked Amazon.co.uk. My order is not yet dispatched and therefore unlikely to reach me all the way across the pond my saturday. I thought they were, but perhaps I'm confused, is the UK Amazon site offering Saturday morning delivery like the US? Yes? No? Hmmm... Scott Who isn't the least bit sleepy and it's only wednesday night-- it's sooo much worse than being a little kid at Christmas! What is? You know... From christi0469 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 04:31:03 2003 From: christi0469 at hotmail.com (Christi) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:31:03 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Unfortunately I did not think todo that earlier.They say that even with reserving a copy there is no guaranty that I will get a copy. There is an independent bookstore I could pre-purchase from, but it would cost $30 instead of $18, yikes. I don't know whether to be patient (yeah right), go for the more expensive 'sure thing', or take my chances with Barnes and Noble. I'll probably break down and pay the $30 and write it off to supporting independent booksellers. It looks as if they're giving the best party anyway. Christi T. > In theory if our British books ARE supposed to arrive in the US on > saturday then they must be in the mail right? But they *can't* be > with the UK embargo. > > I'm thinking I won't get this book for a few days after...well > that's just one reason why I'm DEFINITELY going to be at my local > bookshop at midnight for a copy. > > (I'd still call B&N or Borders...I bet you could still reserve a > copy. For GoF I reserved my copy when I got there that night. But > then that was three years ago, but there was no trouble.) > > Scott > who thinks having an extra (lending copy) is a good idea...I'm > picking up another (american) copy of CoS because I'm afraid I leant > mine to someone who isn't giving it back... > > grrr! From tongapeach at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 04:35:42 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:35:42 -0000 Subject: Is there a good quiz somewhere online that sorts you? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melissa McCarthy" wrote: > > The best one I've found is at http://hogwarts.7dragons.net/ *cough!* I'm still getting over laughter from last night. My poor little brother. ;-) See, he desperatly wants to be Sorted into Slytherin- has some odd notion that he's a baddie... in actuality, he's been raised by three women- he's not a baddie. ;-) I show him this "Sorter" and he promptly starts answering questions... leading to him being sorted as a Hufflepuff! Now- the funny. Whenever he takes a 'sorting' quiz, picks the little pebble from the 'sorting' bag, or whatever, it never fails, he's a Hufflepuff. He's very upset by this, and it's provided hours of amusement for me. (literally- he took this quiz almost 24hrs ago). Tonga- going back to sifting through the internet, somewhat tired after staying up til 4am yesterday ;-) oh yeah, I'm ready! From tongapeach at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 05:28:17 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:28:17 -0000 Subject: Getting Giddy... Message-ID: Alright, is it just me or does anyone else get that gidy feeling in the pit of their stomach when they visit TLC and see the counter? WHich is currently reading... 1 day, 22 hours, etc... I'm about to jump out a window- and seeing that I my house is on the side of a rather steep hill I don't think this would be a good idea. ;-) Shout out to Lynda- good luck with your show! ;-) Horseback riding is something I really need to get back into... of course I haven't really had the time/money to afford lessons since leaving college (rode on the school's equine team). Pity. Heh, any good riding accident stories? (seems everyone I know that works around horses has at least one ;-). Tonga- who WILL go to bed sometime tonight! From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 05:45:58 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:45:58 -0000 Subject: Saturday - Delivery or Ship? (was: Getting UK versions in US.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote: > ,,,edited... > > I thought they were, but perhaps I'm confused, is the UK Amazon site > offering Saturday morning delivery like the US? Yes? No? > > Hmmm... > > Scott > > Who isn't the least bit sleepy and it's only wednesday night-- it's > sooo much worse than being a little kid at Christmas! > > What is? You know... bboy_mn: Not that I matters for me because I won't get my book 'til next Thursday, but are you really sure that Saturday delivery means Saturday deliver, or does it mean as I suspect, Saturday shipment. The confirmation of the order I got from Chapter.Indigo it mention that because I am in the United Stated I don't qualify for Canada Post's Saturday June 21 delivery service, and therefore my order will be shipped during the week of June 23. So when they talk about Saturday delivery, do they mean that the postal service, UPS, and Fed-Ex have Saturday pick-up for delivery, or does it mean they shipped it in advance of June 21 in an attempt to get make it arrive on June 21? I've been under the impression that June 21 would be the ship date. Any opinions? bboy_mn From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Thu Jun 19 05:46:14 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:46:14 -0000 Subject: Two copies In-Reply-To: <20030619015937.2795.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have to order two copies. One for me to read and one for my wife. This is perfectly normal behavior (for HP fans) 2CT7 From gypseelynn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 06:59:38 2003 From: gypseelynn at yahoo.com (Rebecca Sylvester) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030619065938.31676.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Christine wrote: Hey! I am making a Harry Potter site and I don't now what to name it. My thoughts are stuck between Animagi, The Pensive, and Riddle House. What one's do you guys like? I'm taking a poll, and the one with the most is what I'll name it. Thanks! -Chrissy Good luck with the new site Chrissy!! Personally, I like The Pensive best!! Hope it works out for you!! Going Insane Until Friday Night, Beckah Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 07:00:41 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:00:41 -0000 Subject: Two copies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "twoctseven" wrote: > I have to order two copies. > > > One for me to read and one for my wife. > > > This is perfectly normal behavior (for HP fans) > > > 2CT7 I wish my husband thought the same way. ;) However, I also have to get two copies - one for my UK edition "collection", which started because when I found out there were dialectal differences, the linguist in me had to buy copies - and a US edition that I can get right away. -Jen, who should NOT be up this late, and who thinks that her little baby (almost 11 months old!) should NOT be still waking up in the middle of the night! From trisha.masen at verizon.net Thu Jun 19 07:18:44 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:18:44 -0400 Subject: Amazon's OotP Saturday policy References: <1056006044.1285.87721.m4@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000501c33633$05b2c5e0$2401000a@Tlaptop> >From what I recall, Saturday is the *arrival* date at your door but *only* if there is a person to sign for the package. Amazon was guaranteeing *delivery* on Saturday via UPS for those who live in the United States on Saturday, June 21. If you are not available at your shipping address, they *will not leave it* because it's a special arrangement Amazon made with UPS to ship their nearly 1 million orders. This applies to any version (regular or deluxe) ordered through them. As for UK orders by US residents, I'm not expecting my copy for at least a week since any special shipping is invalidated by the international part of that equation. And Amazon.co.uk is charging (and imagine that the "L" is a pound symbol) L8.49 for the book and IIRC, only about L1.50 for shipping. All in all, it was about the same price as the US version from what I could figure. Now I just have to figure out if I want the deluxe version as well. I have about $60 in Waldenbooks gift certificates that I could use. Hmm. I hope that helps those who are confused. If you ordered via Amazon, you have to be home on Saturday to receive it on Saturday. ~Trisha From talisman at cyberspeedway.net Thu Jun 19 04:06:44 2003 From: talisman at cyberspeedway.net (Talisman) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:06:44 -0700 Subject: Reserving a Copy of New Book References: Message-ID: <3EF136D4.20002@cyberspeedway.net> > Scott wrote: > (I'd still call B&N or Borders...I bet you could still reserve a > copy. For GoF I reserved my copy when I got there that night. But > then that was three years ago, but there was no trouble.) I called my local B&N today (we don't have a Borders up here) to make sure that the book would be there for me on Friday night. They said the 1 copy I had ordered would be there. When I asked if it were possible to throw another book in there (In the last 2 weeks my husband has become a HP addict too LOL!) they told me they weren't sure. They said that they could only order a certain number of copies and those who placed their orders weeks ago, like myself, would for sure get one; however, the other copies would go in order to the ppl who had ordered them later but in the order that the orders were placed. She told me that if there were any extra copies left AFTER they had filled all the orders that it would be no problem, but as of 10am this morning my 2nd copy was dead last on the list. LOL! I'm pretty sure the Saturday delivery for the amazon.com thing ended yesterday but you still might be able to get a copy delivered on Saturday if you did something like next day air and pay and outrageous shipping fee. Hopefully your B&N ordered more copies than mine did. I live in a pretty small town so that could be part of the "problem". Talisman in Arizona ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mom to Matthew (4) & Sean (3.5) Owner mom2boys @ yahoogroups Have a son? Come join us! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From awillia2 at gladstone.uoregon.edu Thu Jun 19 08:39:21 2003 From: awillia2 at gladstone.uoregon.edu (Aesha) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:39:21 -0000 Subject: Hi everyone! Message-ID: Hi all, I just wanted to introduce myself quickly- I'm Aesha, I've been a member of HPfGU for probably about a year and a half, and I'm a little late to the HP Fandom, I think (I first read SS in Nov. 2001). But now, of course, I am hooked and eagerly awaiting OoP! I was so excited when there was a front page article in our local newspaper (I think it was an AP article) about adult HP fans, and HPfGU was mentioned, as well as the list owner! It was fun being indirectly mentioned in the article (as one of the "over 7,200 members of the HPfGU mailing list"). That all being said, I'm going nomail until at least Monday (I have a youth group convention to chaperone this weekend so I don't know how much time I'll get to read!!) so I don't inadvertantly get spoiled. I haven't been this spoiler free in I don't know how long... I even peeked at the Buffy finale spoilers!! (And I tried avoiding those, too). Aesha From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Thu Jun 19 10:02:44 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:44 +0000 Subject: Re Question Message-ID: From: "Christine" Hey! I am making a Harry Potter site and I don't now what to name it. My thoughts are stuck between Animagi, The Pensive, and Riddle House. What one's do you guys like? I'm taking a poll, and the one with the most is what I'll name it. Thanks! -Chrissy ................................ What kind of Harry Potter site,will this be? Is it a fiction site? A site to receive up to date information on Harry Potter....Is it a dark Harry Potter site, with a twist?...Or is it a site dedicated to the animagi of magical world? I think The Riddle house sounds good, but then would that mean that your site is dedicated to Voldemort? I also think The Pensive sounds really good...yes that is the one. joanna Who is the only member of her family chosen for Slytherin and who can not wait until friday1201am _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From ression at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 11:27:52 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:27:52 -0000 Subject: The Grangers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Trina" wrote: > Whoop! Whoop! Movie Contamination Alert! (Hee hee!) > > Hermione doesn't fix Harry's glasses on the train to school in P/SS. > That's only in the movie. When Harry breaks them in the Floo powder > mix-up, it is Mr. Weasley who fixes them. The spell is never > identified, just "Mr. Weasley took Harry's glasses, gave them a tap > of his wand, and returned them, good as new." (CoS pg56.) Now I think of it, Harry's glasses do seem to get mentioned quite a lot in the books. I wonder if there is any significance to this? Especially as green-eyes seem to be important in some way. And didn't Mrytle get bullied for wearing glasses or something??? ER From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Jun 19 11:53:02 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:53:02 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. References: Message-ID: <00d401c33659$5701c970$c79fcdd1@RVotaw> Scott wrote: > as an addition to my last message-- I just checked Amazon.co.uk. My > order is not yet dispatched and therefore unlikely to reach me all > the way across the pond my saturday. > > I thought they were, but perhaps I'm confused, is the UK Amazon site > offering Saturday morning delivery like the US? Yes? No? I don't think Amazon.co.uk has intentions of Saturday delivery except in the UK. My order from there says the delivery estimate is June 27-July 1st. So it sounds like they aren't even trying. My figuring is that airmail overseas is too undpredictable, they could give it six days and it arrive in five, therefore coming in early. Or something similiar. As for regular Amazon, they'd better get on the ball, I'll check back this evening and see what it says. My delivery estimate is still June 21, and it says item will ship soon instead of item not dispatched. So maybe that means it is in the box ready. :) I've got the deluxe edition coming from there, I don't trust my mailman to knock on the door to see if I'm home. He frequently doesn't. (jerk!) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Joanne0012 at aol.com Thu Jun 19 12:09:02 2003 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:09:02 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: <00d401c33659$5701c970$c79fcdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: I don't trust my mailman to knock on the door to see if I'm home. He frequently doesn't. (jerk!) > > Richelle In my experience, that means that the lazy postman hasn't even brought the package out from the PO, he wants to just leave a pickup slip rather than toting the box. SO if I were you, I'd put a big note for him on my front door, saying I'm expecting an important package and PLEASE KNOCK. If he sees the note today or tomorrow, he won't have any excuse for leaving your book behind on Saturday. OTOH, I believe that Amazon is using UPS for the HP Saturday deliveries, so address the note to them, too! From marc.nguyen at greenheck.com Thu Jun 19 12:28:58 2003 From: marc.nguyen at greenheck.com (Nguyen, Marc) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:28:58 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Latin translation of unforgivables Message-ID: <61E2AF8C78F2D211B0B70008C7F921D50DAF4821@orion2.greenops.com> a local radio station here in wausau, wi had some Potter trivia for a free canvas hat and the question submitted from a listener was "what are is the Latin translation of teh 3 unforgivable curses". It had everyone stumped, but one person was close. The only 1 in question was the killing curse translation. Does it not mean "let the thing be destroyed"? th eanswer was actaully something like "disappear like this word" From tminton at deckerjones.com Thu Jun 19 14:36:09 2003 From: tminton at deckerjones.com (Tonya Minton) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:36:09 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Two copies Message-ID: <8D5AD53268720840968E25CB71EC7CAE13E419@djmail.deckerjones.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "craigf4656" wrote: > My friends seem to think I've entered whole new realms of dorkdom for > purchasing two copies of this thing. I have a feeling they're right, but I don't > care. > > Craig grindieloe said Just for the record... I bought two copies as well... one to pick up at the midnight party and one to be delivered by Amazon. It's a sickness. :) Now me Tonya Me too!! 2 copies one to pick up and one from Amazon!! I had to hold back from getting 3 I thought that might be absurd!! You are right maybe a sickness!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bettedavisgreen at aol.com Thu Jun 19 15:01:55 2003 From: bettedavisgreen at aol.com (bettedavisgreen at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:01:55 EDT Subject: Help with configuration Yahoo Groups and AOL email Message-ID: <110.24c37f6a.2c232a63@aol.com> Hello everybody! Sorry for going sooo off topic, but I'm trying to get all HP messages to go to my AOL address, instead of my Yahoo one (hoping I'll be able to save myself from discussion when I haven't read the book, partly...). Thing is, I've got every thing nicely in my groups membership so messages should come to AOL, I've even unsubscribed and resubscribed again - got welcome messages in AOL but all other messages still go on to Yahoo. I've sent an email to Yaho, but you know them, even if I said it was URGENT, I'll most likely get a good answer by mid July... How do you other AOL guys do it? Cristina ********** Bette Davis Green Eyes are watching you!!! http://pageperso.aol.fr/bettedavisgreen/mapage/divers.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 19 15:24:50 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:24:50 -0000 Subject: Latin translation of unforgivables In-Reply-To: <61E2AF8C78F2D211B0B70008C7F921D50DAF4821@orion2.greenops.com> Message-ID: Marc wrote: "a local radio station here in wausau, wi had some Potter trivia for a free canvas hat and the question submitted from a listener was "what are is the Latin translation of teh 3 unforgivable curses". It had everyone stumped, but one person was close. The only 1 in question was the killing curse translation. Does it not mean "let the thing be destroyed"? th eanswer was actaully something like "disappear like this word" --- ME: "Crucio" and "Impero" are both first conjugation, present tense verbs in the first person. Crucio means "I torture" and the object (you) is understood. Impero means "I command" with an understood you as well. But Avada Kedavra is not Latin. It is a corruption of the magical phrase Abracadabra which itself (and I'm getting a little help from the lexicon at this point) is Aramaic. "adhadda kedhabhra" - "let the thing be destroyed". Steve-(o' god of the lexicon)'s explanation follows: "NOTE: Abracadabra is a cabbalistic charm in Judaic mythology that is supposed to bring healing powers. One of its sources is believed to be from Aramaic avada kedavra, another is the Phoenician alphabet (a-bra-ca-dabra)." I encourage you to visit the lexicon below for better explanations etc. http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/spells.html Hope this helps! Scott And if the radio station said Avada Kedavra was latin then perhaps they should be corrected. (on air?) From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 15:25:42 2003 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:25:42 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: <00d401c33659$5701c970$c79fcdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Richelle wrote: > I don't think Amazon.co.uk has intentions of Saturday delivery > except in the UK. My order from there says the delivery estimate > is June 27-July 1st. Well, this is weird - I'm in the US, and when I originally ordered from Amazon.uk, it gave me the 6/27-7/1 delivery timeframe, but I just checked "where's my stuff?" and it now says delivery on June 21, but has not yet dispatched (or been published, but we *know* that's incorrect!). When I ordered, the page said it would be delivered on June 21, but didn't specify that this was limited to UK deliveries. So maybe they've felt some pressure from people outside the UK to honor their original word. ~Phyllis who is also buying two copies - the US and the UK versions - and doesn't feel the least bit ashamed about it! From marc.nguyen at greenheck.com Thu Jun 19 15:33:20 2003 From: marc.nguyen at greenheck.com (Nguyen, Marc) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:33:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Latin translation of unforgivables Message-ID: <61E2AF8C78F2D211B0B70008C7F921D50DAF4828@orion2.greenops.com> Marc wrote: "a local radio station here in wausau, wi had some Potter trivia for a free canvas hat and the question submitted from a listener was "what are is the Latin translation of teh 3 unforgivable curses". It had everyone stumped, but one person was close. The only 1 in question was the killing curse translation. Does it not mean "let the thing be destroyed"? th eanswer was actaully something like "disappear like this word" --- Scott: And if the radio station said Avada Kedavra was latin then perhaps they should be corrected. (on air?) Marc again: immediately after hearing the answers on the air, I did call the radio station, but they did not play my correction on the air. I did consult the Lexicon before calling, but I was not sure if it did in fact had a Latin version. thanks, Marc From aimking0110 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 15:55:13 2003 From: aimking0110 at yahoo.com (Garrett) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:55:13 -0000 Subject: Daily News ordeal Message-ID: Last night in NYC, JKR filled a criminal law suit againt the Daily > news for a variety of crimes including among other thing copyright > infringement. On the Grounds that one of there journalist, obtained > the book illegaly and published what he thought of the book. > > First problem, he DID NOT obtain the book illegaly, the PUBLISHER > MADE THE MISTAKE and accidently sent a drug store four books 4 days > early. This is were he got the book > > Second problem is that unless he quoted more then the legal limit (I > don't know what the limit in NYC is) they can't get him there either. > > Lastly, I wanna say THAT REPORTER IS THE LUCKYEST MAN ALIVE, here we > are having to wait a couple more days (which i think everyone will > agree with me is that its torture) until the book comes out and that > jouralist got a first look. He most likely dosent know HOW LUCKY he > is not being a huge fan(most likly) and not having to wait. HE IS > LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY > > Garrett From terryljames at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 16:20:44 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:20:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book reference (was Latin translation of unforgivables) Message-ID: >From: "Scott" >>But Avada Kedavra is not Latin. It is a corruption of the magical >phrase Abracadabra which itself (and I'm getting a little help from >the lexicon at this point) is Aramaic. "adhadda kedhabhra" - "let >the thing be destroyed". > I read a book (I want to say a "kids" book, probably British fantasy like Diana Wynne Jones, but maybe not) in which a phrase was used that sounded like "abracadabra" but wasn't--much like "Avada Kedavra". In that book, it was a horrible/killing curse kinda thing. (Sorry so vague--it's been a while back and I don't remember details!) But a character made mention of the fact that "only humans could take the most horrific curse in the universe and make cutesy little 'magic' words out of them." Does anybody know what I'm talking about! I can't remember the book, and it's driving me nuts! Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 16:27:06 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:27:06 -0000 Subject: Jim Dale called me yesterday!!! Message-ID: He did! Unfortunately, my husband answered the phone. Jim told him not to forget the book he'd reserved at Borders, because my reservation would be cancelled after business hours on Saturday. Chris *tried* to tell him to wait and talk to me, as I was the one who had reserved the book, but he was in a hurry and didn't seem to even listen to him. What a shame. -Jen, tongue in cheek ps. Chris also tried to tell him that his Hermione was too whiny and annoying, but he didn't listen to that, either. From heidit at netbox.com Thu Jun 19 16:38:28 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:38:28 -0000 Subject: Support Nimbus - 2003 if you're going to a book release party! Message-ID: As many of you know, Nimbus - 2003 (http://www.hp2003.org) is only a few weeks away - and that means we're in the home stretch of letting HP fans who aren't online know about the event. So if you're off to a bookstore this weekend (and face it, which of us aren't?) please print out a bunch of the Nimbus - 2003 flyers (found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU- Convention/files/Flyers%20and%20Publicity/) and hand them out to your fellow adult- and teenage fans at the release parties, and/or ask if the store will hang them on a bulletin board for the next few weeks. Thanks! Team Nimbus - 2003 From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 17:42:48 2003 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:42:48 -0000 Subject: OoP is still an unpublished work (WAS: Getting UK versions if you are in the US) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wrote: > Well, this is weird - I'm in the US, and when I originally ordered > from Amazon.uk, it gave me the 6/27-7/1 delivery timeframe, but I > just checked "where's my stuff?" and it now says delivery on June > 21, but has not yet dispatched (or been published, but we *know* > that's incorrect!). Me again: I stand corrected - according to our very own Heidi Tandy on the Leaky Cauldron: "Order of the Phoenix is, at this point in time, still an unpublished work under copyright law definitions" (see: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/). Thanks, Heidi! ~Phyllis who marvels at how Heidi can be so productive with a newborn! From auroraanartmodel at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 17:43:55 2003 From: auroraanartmodel at hotmail.com (grannybat84112) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:43:55 -0000 Subject: No T-BAY Weather Warning? (actually a Thankyou Note) Message-ID: Hello. I'm one of those annoying people who logs in regularly to read HP4GU but who never posts. I'm stumbling bleary-eyed and hesitant into the light of day in order to say what needs to be said: Thanks. As of next Saturday I will have been unemployed for an entire year. During this time HP4GU and the release of OOP have been the only consistent beacons of humor and hope for me. I have been continually engrossed, thrilled, and cracked up by the speculations, relationships, and character development in Theory Bay. The personalities, literary allusions, and quality of writing is just too compelling to give up. The Good Ship LOLLIPOPS. The Elkins and her hobbyhorse, Affective Fallacy. The Crouch Family Saga. Captain Cindy growing more and more beligerant as she runs up her bar tab at George's. Occasional filks (the Azhkaban Tango and Marina's Model of an Antihero Archetype had me rolling in the aisles.) The Memory Charms Symposia at the onshore museum. The proliferation of pins, badges, thongs, rubber duckies, GARBAGE SCOWS, hovercrafts, notes in bottles, kayaks, trimarans, destroyers, and all the rest of the SHIPs, flotsam, and jetsam. Saturday morning I will pick up the copy of OOP that I reserved months ago from the local library. (I'm #42 out of 350 reserves; the city system has ordered 60 copies. Good book elf, clever book elf!) As eager as I am to delve into the next installment of Snape's^H^H^H^H^ Harry's life, I can't help but feel a pang of sadness that the devastation of Hurricane Jo will sweep so many of the T-BAY denizens out to sea. That being the case...where is the Emergency Weather PSA? No sirens from the Safe House? No epic description of the Big Bang battening down the hatches? No breathless last-minute thoughts from the senior residents as they heave sandbags and bolt for high ground? No haunting word picture of Stoned Harry serenely skating over the dark, angry waves, secure in the knowledge of his place in literary history? I'm shocked. But then, maybe you're all exhausted from moderating the flood of posts from last-minute newbies on the main list. Or you're carefully conserving your strength for the reading marathon to come. ;) Thanks for being there. I look forward to reading all of you after the list re-opens. Happy OOP Day. Dawn Tavares returning to her state of Deep Lurk From illyana at mindspring.com Thu Jun 19 17:47:09 2003 From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:47:09 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0C900B34-A27E-11D7-A36D-003065B8B954@mindspring.com> On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 08:33 , joanna barra wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3527292793&catergory=271 > > > The man is claiming...well trying to sell a ebook copy of the book. > How is > that possible , when the book doesn't come out until saturday?...Has > this > man stolen copies,I wonder? If you read the auction description you will see that he says the high bidder will have OOtP within 24 hours of him receiving it. Therefore, he is not saying that he already has OOtP; he is saying that when he gets it, he will pass it onto the high bidder quite quickly. illyana HPGCv1 a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From heidit at netbox.com Thu Jun 19 17:57:54 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:57:54 -0000 Subject: OoP is still an unpublished work (WAS: Getting UK versions if you are in the US) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does this count as replying to myself? --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" wrote: > I stand corrected - according to our very own Heidi Tandy on the > Leaky Cauldron: "Order of the Phoenix is, at this point in time, > still an unpublished work under copyright law definitions" (see: > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/). > > Thanks, Heidi! And for those of you who can't get enough legalese, here's what the Copyright Office in the US says about publication: The 1976 Copyright Act defines publication as follows: "Publication" is the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending. The offering to distribute copies or phonorecords to a group of persons for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display constitutes publication. A public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication. A further discussion of the definition of "publication" can be found in the legislative history of the 1976 Copyright Act. The legislative reports define "to the public" as ***distribution to persons under no explicit or implicit restrictions with respect to disclosure of the contents.*** Here, there is clearly a restriction on the disclosure of the contents, so there is no publication as of yet. However, as of 7pm Eastern Time tomorrow, it will be *very* difficult for Scholastic to continue to argue that the work is unpublished, as it will be deemed published in the UK and every country to the east of the UK. But that's just me drawing a line with legalese - it won't be published in the US yet, but depending on what Scholastic wrote in their complaint, the UK publication might make the work published worldwide - but as I haven't seen it yet, I don't really know. > ~Phyllis > who marvels at how Heidi can be so productive with a newborn! I have a blackberry ;) and Jon is sleeping right now, too... No, really - I do this kind of thing for a living, so it took me about 12 minutes this morning to type up the summary, and only about 4 minutes to type up this. I pulled cites, using google, of course, but it's not like I had to research anything to write this... heidi From jlswen at msn.com Thu Jun 19 18:01:54 2003 From: jlswen at msn.com (jennyswensen) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:01:54 -0000 Subject: Frustrated about spoilers & UPS Delivery In-Reply-To: <1f0.b59b943.2c227c25@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/18/2003 7:30:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > > > I must confess, that I, too am somewhat of a 'spoil-sport'! lol! > > > > I like to find out things ahead of time, and then wait, excitedly, > > until it is really time for it to happen! My DH calls it "No > > Patience!", which very acurately describes me. > > > > I think it just comes down to the fact that most of my life I have > > been the one to buy all the presents,and plan the surprises, etc. > > I'm used to standing in the background waiting with baited breath for > > everyone else's expression, and surprised reaction, that when it > > comes time for me to be on the other end of the rope, I just can't > > take it!! So I find it difficult having to wait for anything. > > > > I must say though, that I never, ever thought of jumping ahead and > > reading the last pages of the book, until it was mentioned on one of > > the Lists. Even though it may be tempting, I don't think I will (the > > ultimate test of Patience for me!) > > > > Oh well. 3 more days. > > > > Anna . . .(who also hopes the UPS/mail person will just LEAVE the > > book at my door on saturday, as I will also be out (T-ball final game > > and Jamboree, . . . in the rain . . . what fun.) > > > > I was frustrated too, until one of the links in THIS digest actually worked > to take me to that story (there are no links in the main stories to that page > anymore, wonder why?? Maybe that spoiler page is "lost in cyberspace" now with > no links pointing to it, who knows?) I read the spoilers, wasn't upset by > them at all, they actually confirmed a lot of things I kind of expected. I know > the actual story will be a much better read, so I'm not "spoiled" by reading > the spoilers -- but impatient me, I'm also one who will peek at the ending of a > book if it's frustrating me too much with too many clues in too many > directions. I haven't done that with a Potter book yet, but if pushed to it, I will!! > ;-> > > Sure hope I can get UPS to cooperate with me, because I do need to haul Jack > (my horse) to a show Saturday, and leave in the morning, right in prime > "delivery" time! Maybe he'll deliver early enough I can take the book with me!! > Yes, I AM an optimist!! ;-D > > Lynda > * * * > "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lynda, Just a thought - you might call UPS and tell them that you would like to pick your package up at their office rather than have them deliver it. I've done that with a couple of packages that I've received. On the spoiler subject, I love reading them, finding them, and sending them to my spoiler loving friends. They simply get me more and more excited for the book. I'm going to be standing in line at midnight at the local Borders waiting to get my copy! From princessmelabela at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 18:08:06 2003 From: princessmelabela at yahoo.com (Melanie Bond) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amazon's OotP Saturday policy In-Reply-To: <000501c33633$05b2c5e0$2401000a@Tlaptop> Message-ID: <20030619180806.79196.qmail@web20711.mail.yahoo.com> Okay what I am confused about is why my package hasn't been shipped yet. It says that it will arrive on June 21st, 2003 yet it has not even left the store yet. I find that very hard to believe. I am from Ohio and I know that they are not exactly quick with delivering things in the middle of the farm country. Has anyone else checked to see if their package was shipped? ~Melanie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From maryblue67 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 18:33:06 2003 From: maryblue67 at yahoo.com (maryblue67) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:33:06 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" < erisedstraeh2002 at y...> wrote: > Well, this is weird - I'm in the US, and when I originally ordered > from Amazon.uk, it gave me the 6/27-7/1 delivery timeframe, but I > just checked "where's my stuff?" and it now says delivery on June 21, > but has not yet dispatched (or been published, but we *know* that's > incorrect!). > > When I ordered, the page said it would be delivered on June 21, but > didn't specify that this was limited to UK deliveries. So maybe > they've felt some pressure from people outside the UK to honor their > original word. I just checked again my order at amazon.co.uk, and they say that the delivery estimate is June 21. I am worried to trust this and then have to wait 5-8 days to get my copy. I am at this point still debating between getting another copy here in the US tomorrow night or not. The main reason to get it would be to avoid the wait, but i'll be a bit upset if i buy it and the next morning the book is at my door. On the other hand, having an extra copy is not such a bad idea because i have several friends who borrowed my books and i know they are eager to read them too, and having two copies would be great so i can lend one and still reread over and over the one i keep. What should i do? Maria, looking forward to getting real job and not living on a grad student salary any more From linkajarjarbinks at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 18:59:02 2003 From: linkajarjarbinks at yahoo.com (Michelle TerLouw) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030619185902.85541.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> It is partly possible. A store(in an unknown location) accedently put out their books early, and of course got in trouble for it. This man could have found the book at that store. Other then that, I have no other explanation. joanna barra wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3527292793&catergory=271 The man is claiming...well trying to sell a ebook copy of the book. How is that possible , when the book doesn't come out until saturday?...Has this man stolen copies,I wonder? Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From linkajarjarbinks at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 18:59:10 2003 From: linkajarjarbinks at yahoo.com (Michelle TerLouw) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030619185910.56607.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com> It is partly possible. A store(in an unknown location) accedently put out their books early, and of course got in trouble for it. This man could have found the book at that store. Other then that, I have no other explanation. joanna barra wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3527292793&catergory=271 The man is claiming...well trying to sell a ebook copy of the book. How is that possible , when the book doesn't come out until saturday?...Has this man stolen copies,I wonder? Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hp at plum.cream.org Thu Jun 19 19:13:45 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:13:45 +0100 Subject: JP -v- JKR Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030619200736.00969340@plum.cream.org> *THAT* interview on TV has just finished. There was nothing mind-shatteringly novel to be found out about what's going to happen next, but if you want to know what JKR has to say about fame, fortune and the background to the 3-year delay, here's an MP3 file of the whole thing from beginning to end (all 29 minutes or over 2.5 MB of it): http://plum.cream.org/HP/misc/index.htm I'm working on a transcript for the bandwidth-limited, which should be up in a couple of hours, if all goes well. (Note to Heidi or any other TLC editors looking in: please feel free to put up the link, although I'd appreciate it if you could delay by a couple of hours, to allow for the transcript to be up as well.) From heidit at netbox.com Thu Jun 19 19:15:23 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:15:23 -0400 Subject: The kind of phone call not to get today Message-ID: Phone rings Heidi: hello? Person on phone: hi. Is heidi tandy available Heidi: this is Person on phone: Hello, I am calling from Warner Brothers and... Heidi: is everything okay (thinking paranoid thoughts about wb not liking my articles on tlc or something) Person on phone: Yes, we just wanted to tell you that you've been randomly selected to receive 3 dvds from warner Home Video Heidi: Click From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Thu Jun 19 19:23:57 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:23:57 -0000 Subject: This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: <0C900B34-A27E-11D7-A36D-003065B8B954@mindspring.com> Message-ID: But the seller is a thief as it will be an "e-book" not a paper book. These are rip-offs that people copy of their scanners and make low grade e-books. 2ct7 From christi0469 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 19:25:00 2003 From: christi0469 at hotmail.com (Christi) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:25:00 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm in the same boat UK version wise. I had already decided to get an American version tomorrow night but was worried about my chances (my line waiting abilities are hampered in that I will have a 6month old and 5 year old in tow). Lo and behold I called Hastings and they said I could still reserve a copy guaranteed. It seems they have these $5 reservation cards that apply toward the purchase price of the book. When I got there they said they were sold out, but they paged the book manager when I told them I had just talked to someone. According to her they had just found four more of the cards! I am now the very happy owner of a reservation card, and I'm ever so relieved. Now my quandries are limited to 1)whether or not to try to go to sleep tomorrow night and 2) which version to read first if the UK one arrives. As a bonus the book is going to be 45% off. I still am curious about the UK version. Christi T. > I just checked again my order at amazon.co.uk, and they say that the delivery > estimate is June 21. I am worried to trust this and then have to wait 5-8 days to > get my copy. I am at this point still debating between getting another copy > here in the US tomorrow night or not. The main reason to get it would be to > avoid the wait, but i'll be a bit upset if i buy it and the next morning the book is > at my door. On the other hand, having an extra copy is not such a bad idea > because i have several friends who borrowed my books and i know they are > eager to read them too, and having two copies would be great so i can lend > one and still reread over and over the one i keep. What should i do? > > Maria, looking forward to getting real job and not living on a grad student > salary any more From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Thu Jun 19 19:28:35 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:28:35 -0000 Subject: Getting UK versions if you are in the US. go to Canada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Canadian printing has been the same as the UK release for the previous releases as far as I know. maybe you go to an online book store in Canada. It will get their quicker. But please check that this info is accurate before ordering. 2CT7 From am025392 at skynet.be Thu Jun 19 19:35:50 2003 From: am025392 at skynet.be (De Boeck - Ponet) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:35:50 +0200 Subject: de-lurk Message-ID: <00eb01c33699$fd8bce40$92c6c950@deboeck> Now it's getting serious. I've been hanging around the HP4G lists for some weeks now, lurking. This evening I was watching the JKR interview on BBC and it suddenly hit me : I am getting really nervous and excited and irritable. There are only two bookstores here in Belgium which are staging an HP event tomorrow evening and I can't go to either of them. I can get my hands on OoP at 10 am saturday at the earliest and I'm pretty miffed about it. And to top it all off, I read the NY Daily News leak and I wish I hadn't. I feel miserable, really awful. Just thought sharing my misery would make it easier... it hasn't... (sigh) Kristel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 19 20:25:06 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:25:06 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] help with configuration of Yahoo and AOL Message-ID: <4f.3087a36a.2c237622@aol.com> In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:23:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > > Thing is, I've got every thing nicely in my groups membership so messages > should come to AOL, I've even unsubscribed and resubscribed again - got > welcome > messages in AOL but all other messages still go on to Yahoo. I've sent an > email > to Yaho, but you know them, even if I said it was URGENT, I'll most likely > get a good answer by mid July... > > How do you other AOL guys do it? > > Cristina > > Go to Egroups.com (which will translate into http://groups.yahoo.com <-- and AOL should convert THAT to a live link), sign in with your password. Then click on "My Groups" and then on "Email Preferences" and make sure you have the right email addy there. Then click on "Edit my groups" and change your settings there to have the email addy you want to have. Then click "save changes" and sign out and you're done! I get all my egroups as daily digests. If someone attaches a picture (as is done with my artist group, Equine Art Guild), I have to go to the message board itself to see the attachment, but otherwise, the digest is fine for my needs. Hope this helps! Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 19 20:28:43 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:28:43 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This person claims to have OoP Message-ID: <1a2.16796b5d.2c2376fb@aol.com> In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:23:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3527292793& > catergory=271 > > > The man is claiming...well trying to sell a ebook copy of the book. How is > that possible , when the book doesn't come out until saturday?...Has this > man stolen copies,I wonder? > > And it sold (the whole collection?!) for only L2 (imagine that "L" is a "pound" sign -- I dunno how to do that on an American keyboard). That's just weird. Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christi0469 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 20:55:08 2003 From: christi0469 at hotmail.com (Christi) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:55:08 -0000 Subject: This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: <1a2.16796b5d.2c2376fb@aol.com> Message-ID: According to my husband it is illegal to sell e-files like this, which certainly makes sense as I doubt this person is an authorized vendor of scholastic or bloomsbury. In addition that 2 pounds is a rip off, seeing as how you can find similar files on file-sharing groups for free, which is where he probably got them in the first place. Free if you don't mind being prosecuted for piracy of intellectual property. Very dodgy, and I'm curious to see if he gets caught. Christi T. > > > > The man is claiming...well trying to sell a ebook copy of the book. How is > > that possible , when the book doesn't come out until saturday?...Has this > > man stolen copies,I wonder? > > > > > > And it sold (the whole collection?!) for only L2 (imagine that "L" is a > "pound" sign -- I dunno how to do that on an American keyboard). That's just > weird. > > Lynda > * * * > "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hp at plum.cream.org Thu Jun 19 21:04:09 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:04:09 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: <1a2.16796b5d.2c2376fb@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030619215608.009707b0@plum.cream.org> At 21:28 19/06/03 , artsylynda at aol.com wrote: >And it sold (the whole collection?!) for only L2 (imagine that "L" is a >"pound" sign -- I dunno how to do that on an American keyboard). That's just >weird. Well, it wasn't a standard "bidding" auction. It was a multiple-units (2), fixed-price (?2) sale. Hence the price not changing. Still a rip-off, as text files of the first four books are pretty readily available online (any discussion of *where* is a no-no on this list, so I won't go down that path...). As for the GBP sign, on a Windows machine press your ALT key (left of the space bar) and 0163 on your numeric keypad (with the ALT key down). Of course, we Brits only have to hit [SHIFT] + 3. :-) -- GulPlum AKA Richard, full of useless information as always From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jun 19 21:11:06 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:11:06 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]JP -v- JKR Message-ID: <6d.13aa0ed5.2c2380ea@aol.com> In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:23:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes: > There was nothing mind-shatteringly novel to be found out about what's > going to happen next, but if you want to know what JKR has to say about > fame, fortune and the background to the 3-year delay, here's an MP3 file of > the whole thing from beginning to end (all 29 minutes or over 2.5 MB of it): > > http://plum.cream.org/HP/misc/index.htm > Thanks so much! I read along as I listened. I really appreciate your doing this. Are you going to do it for the Katie Couric interview as well (Friday June 20, 9 PM EDT, NBC)? Sure hope so, I'd like to be able to listen and read it several times to make sure I don't miss anything - and I may not get to watch it! Thanks again for doing this! Lynda * * * "Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com Thu Jun 19 21:55:17 2003 From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:55:17 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]JP -v- JKR In-Reply-To: <6d.13aa0ed5.2c2380ea@aol.com> References: <6d.13aa0ed5.2c2380ea@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EF23145.5010501@kingwoodcable.com> I think the show on Dateline is a repeat anyway - I read the description for the show and it says that they'll talk about Goblet of Fire. Hrmmm.... -Katze artsylynda at aol.com wrote: >Thanks so much! I read along as I listened. I really appreciate your doing >this. Are you going to do it for the Katie Couric interview as well (Friday >June 20, 9 PM EDT, NBC)? Sure hope so, I'd like to be able to listen and read >it several times to make sure I don't miss anything - and I may not get to >watch it! Thanks again for doing this! > >Lynda >* * * >"Don't let the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA > From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Thu Jun 19 22:01:51 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (berkana123) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:01:51 -0000 Subject: This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ...My boyfriend has just told me that it is very illegal to be selling this item on eBay, especially since alot of the books were stolen recently...I really hope that no one buys it from this crook (Theif), because that would be so sad...I hope people, read between the line of what that man is actually selling...?2 for all the Harry Potter books, but in ebook form? The man is like an artful dodger of the computer world. He will no doubt get many people buying from him. Probably those who can't afford to buy the book, or just want it cheap.Then when they receive their ebooks, they will be a load of rubbish and the man will run of with the cash...I do not know him, but oh boy I really dislike him Much Love Joanna --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christi" wrote: > According to my husband it is illegal to sell e-files like this, > which certainly makes sense as I doubt this person is an authorized > vendor of scholastic or bloomsbury. In addition that 2 pounds is a > rip off, seeing as how you can find similar files on file-sharing > groups for free, which is where he probably got them in the first > place. Free if you don't mind being prosecuted for piracy of > intellectual property. Very dodgy, and I'm curious to see if he gets > caught. > > > Christi T. > From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Thu Jun 19 22:06:21 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (berkana123) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:06:21 -0000 Subject: This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030619215608.009707b0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: At 21:28 19/06/03 , artsylynda at a... wrote: text files of the first four books are pretty readily available online (any discussion of *where* is a no-no on this list, so I won't go down that path...). ................ I would love to think that the members of this group wouldn't need to search for text files of any Harry Potter book, they should already have it Much Love Joanna (Berkana) x From harryp at stararcher.com Thu Jun 19 22:43:09 2003 From: harryp at stararcher.com (ecaplan_52556) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:43:09 -0000 Subject: OOP: When can it be sold? Message-ID: My local bookseller (Iowa, USA) insists that they cannot sell OOP before June 21, 12:01 Central Daylight Savings Time. But I thought that the restriction was no sales before 12:01 British Summer Time. Doubly unfortunate for me, I live in a small town and none of the stores will be open past midnight, so I need to wait until the next morning to buy, 14-16 hours after release! If it is BST, then I should be able to buy OOP at June 20, 18:01 in Iowa, USA... Right? *IF* right, then is there an official source for this information that I can use to persuade my bookseller? Thanks much. [I really apologize if this is redundant. I've looked through the archives and searched the web and haven't been able to find the answer.] From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 22:49:13 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Heidi the Hermione (was) OoP is still an unpublished work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030619224913.6280.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Phyllis: > ~Phyllis > who marvels at how Heidi can be so > productive with a newborn! Heidi: > I have a blackberry ;) and Jon is > sleeping right now, too... > > No, really - I do this kind of > thing for a living, so it took me > about 12 minutes this morning to > type up the summary, and only about > 4 minutes to type up this. I pulled > cites, using google, of course, > but it's not like I had to research > anything to write this... Blackberry?! Yeah right. Heidi is holding out on us - surely she's got a Time-Turner and just isn't telling. Hey, is it too late to stick Jon with the name "Ari?" You can have your very own Gryffindor "Lion." Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From triner918 at aol.com Thu Jun 19 23:07:25 2003 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:07:25 -0000 Subject: Dateline (was:JP -v- JKR) In-Reply-To: <3EF23145.5010501@kingwoodcable.com> Message-ID: Katze was wondering: > I think the show on Dateline is a repeat anyway - I read the description for the show and it says that they'll talk about Goblet of Fire. Hrmmm.... I was just watching the NBC nightly news and they showed a tiny clip in which JKR was apparently answering a question about everbody hitting puberty. Her response: "No shagging. Some snogging." LOL The death that was horrible to write was mentioned as well, so I think it's new. Onl 29 very slow hours to go! Trina From Joanne0012 at aol.com Thu Jun 19 23:14:30 2003 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:14:30 -0000 Subject: This person claims to have OoP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "berkana123" < JOANNABARRA788 at M...> wrote: > > I would love to think that the members of this group wouldn't need > to search for text files of any Harry Potter book, they should > already have it > Ah, but to be able to SEARCH the text, for the first mention of Fawkes, or to count the number of times socks are mentioned, or whatever -- now wouldn't that be a treat? From Mhochberg at aol.com Thu Jun 19 23:16:58 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:16:58 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: This person claims to have OoP Message-ID: <10d.262a554d.2c239e6a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:09:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM writes: > would love to think that the members of this group wouldn't need > to search for text files of any Harry Potter book, they should > already have it > I have a hardback set for luxurious reading and a paperback set for cross-referencing, researching, marking up, and wearing out. I also have UK versions of Philosopher's Stone and the textbooks. I do wish I had copies on my PDA, though. The only HP items on it so far is the Hogwarts sorting hat. On it, I keep coming out a Slytherin. ---Mary, who just rearranged her Harry Potter shelf to make room for her latest HP goodies [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hp at plum.cream.org Thu Jun 19 23:29:06 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:29:06 +0100 Subject: Newsnight Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030620001721.0097bba0@plum.cream.org> As the Brits (and some others) around here will know, Jeremy Paxman's main job is as presenter of "Newsnight", a late-evening news discussion programme on BBC2 (they take two or three major stories of the day and go into them in some detail). This evening's programme (not hosted by Jeremy - he was on duty last night) included a discussion of his interview with JKR and the boy wizard's appeal. Some interesting things were said though I'm sure that not everyone here would agree with the conclusions. Each day's programme is made available online as a Real Video for 23 hours 10mins (until the next day's programme starts) at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm (click on the "latest programme" link on the menu on the right). The HP segment starts at 24 mins 29 (there's just a brief introduction, and then a blank screen for "copyright reasons" until 29 mins 42). It lasts about 10 minutes. You have 22 hours from now to catch it. :-) (I expect the issue will be raised again tomorrow night during the "Newsnight Review" slot so you may want to check it out.) -- GulPlum AKA Richard who was watching something else and switched over to the programme on TV in the middle of the HP debate and thus doesn't know what was said during the "copyright blackout") :-( From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Thu Jun 19 23:38:52 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:38:52 -0000 Subject: This person claims to have OoP RE: E-books. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SO as we are all now aware, some scumbag is selling e-books of all the works including the much awaited OoP. While this is not only ethically wrong it is also illegal. I have reported this seller to the E-bay scumbag controlgroup, so maybe we will not hear from them again. 2CT7 From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 20 00:37:07 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:37:07 -0000 Subject: An unavoidable sabbactical/various thoughts on the release Message-ID: Although the main list may be closing tomorrow night, and my excitement is making me giddy to the point of most likely not sleeping tonight, I think that I must henceforth refrain from all internet use until having finished OOP. I'm just too worried about spoilers, and frankly, I think, with good cause. It's absolutely Ridiculous! So my plan for tonight is to settle down on the couch and watch the HP movies with a big bowl of popcorn. Tomorrow is reserved for skimming back over/rereading the books. I changed my computer's wallpaper to a blown up picture of Harry's face from the American cover today...it had been pictures of Clay Aiken who SHOULD have won american idol but of course...(he's a friend of the family so, shameless plug coming, I think you should all go out and buy his single if you haven't yet). Anyway it looks nice to see a new, but still familiar face. Maybe I'll see some of you at the Barnes &Noble in Cary NC tomorrow night...if not well I'll talk to you when I've digested book five...sunday, monday??? One thing that seems really bizarre to me is--that after all our waiting...I dunno, but it seems odd that in a few days SOOO much will have happened to erm, Harry. (of course) Scott From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 00:56:48 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:56:48 -0000 Subject: OOP: When can it be sold? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ecaplan_52556" wrote: > My local bookseller (Iowa, USA) insists that they cannot sell OOP > before June 21, 12:01 Central Daylight Savings Time. But I > thought that the restriction was no sales before 12:01 British > Summer Time. Doubly unfortunate for me, I live in a small > town and none of the stores will be open past midnight, so I > need to wait until the next morning to buy, 14-16 hours after > release! > > If it is BST, then I should be able to buy OOP at June 20, 18:01 > in Iowa, USA... Right? > > *IF* right, then is there an official source for this information > that I can use to persuade my bookseller? > > Thanks much. Fraid your bookseller is right. OOP is not legally on sale until 21st June 2003. In Iowa, 21st June legally arrives later than in Britain; so they can't go by BST time but have to wait until midnight strikes in local time. In Australia, on the other hand, it will have been 21st June for 9 hours by the time midnight BST strikes. So Australians (and other countries that side of the date line will be able to buy the book as soon as it's released in the UK. The Australians are also getting a raw deal IMO. They can't buy the book until 9 hours after midnight June 21;-) Pip From drednort at alphalink.com.au Fri Jun 20 01:05:28 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:05:28 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP: When can it be sold? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EF2EA78.246.9DEAF4@localhost> On 20 Jun 2003 at 0:56, bluesqueak wrote: > The Australians are also getting a raw deal IMO. They can't buy the > book until 9 hours after midnight June 21;-) We're not complaining - for GoF, we had to wait around a week after the US and UK releases for it to be released here (and in the end, they released it two days earlier than they had planned due to the pressure). Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From tesseract197 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 20 01:11:02 2003 From: tesseract197 at earthlink.net (tesseract197) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:11:02 -0000 Subject: OOP: When can it be sold? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ecaplan_52556" wrote: > My local bookseller (Iowa, USA) insists that they cannot sell OOP > before June 21, 12:01 Central Daylight Savings Time. But I > thought that the restriction was no sales before 12:01 British > Summer Time. Doubly unfortunate for me, I live in a small > town and none of the stores will be open past midnight, so I > need to wait until the next morning to buy, 14-16 hours after > release! > > If it is BST, then I should be able to buy OOP at June 20, 18:01 > in Iowa, USA... Right? Tess (me): I feel your pain (I'm in Missouri myself), but my impression has always been that the book will go on sale around the world at the *later* of a) 12:01 a.m. BST; or, b) 12:01 a.m. local time. I may be wrong or simply delusional, but that's what's been in my head for the past 5 months. I've read that people in Australia, etc., will have to wait until hours later in their day to sell the book, because not until sometime Saturday morning over there will it be midnight in Britain. And those of us west of Britain have to wait until midnight in our locales, even though that's later than the Brits will get the book. So essentially, if what I'm thinking is right, Britain and points east will have an instantaneous release at one minute past midnight BST, while points west will be staggered--new releases every hour, as new areas reach local midnight and the calendar turns to June 21. Which means I'm checking my email tomorrow afternoon before work (around 3 p.m. CDT) and then avoiding the Internet at all costs until I've purchased and read my copy--I don't want to come across spoilers from people who've obtained the book (legally :o) a full 6 hours before I have! Tess really missing her home state of Ohio, because it's on EDT and if she still lived there she'd get the book only *5* hours after the BST release ... From trisha.masen at verizon.net Fri Jun 20 01:18:23 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:18:23 -0400 Subject: Amazon.co.uk's delivery time frame References: <1056050365.1721.66831.m14@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002401c336c9$d85ee550$2e01000a@Tlaptop> > Richelle wrote: > > > I don't think Amazon.co.uk has intentions of Saturday delivery > > except in the UK. My order from there says the delivery estimate > > is June 27-July 1st. > > Phyllis wrote: > Well, this is weird - I'm in the US, and when I originally ordered > from Amazon.uk, it gave me the 6/27-7/1 delivery timeframe, but I > just checked "where's my stuff?" and it now says delivery on June 21, > but has not yet dispatched (or been published, but we *know* that's > incorrect!). > > When I ordered, the page said it would be delivered on June 21, but > didn't specify that this was limited to UK deliveries. So maybe > they've felt some pressure from people outside the UK to honor their > original word. All this got me curious about my own order at Amazon.co.uk. "Items not yet dispatched: HP and the OotP [Adult] Delivery estimate: FEBURARY 20-24" GACK! Why in the world is it **February**?? What's going on there? ~Trisha From arboyko at shaw.ca Fri Jun 20 01:22:53 2003 From: arboyko at shaw.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:22:53 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amazon.co.uk's delivery time frame References: <1056050365.1721.66831.m14@yahoogroups.com> <002401c336c9$d85ee550$2e01000a@Tlaptop> Message-ID: <00ab01c336ca$78e568a0$317f9244@cg.shawcable.net> I find it extremely funny that Canada Post's website is not processing any tracking numbers for OotP until Sunday. Amazon.ca had better deliver on Saturday as promised! Angela @--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@ "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you will land among the stars," (attributed to Les Brown). AIM: angelamermaid MSN messenger: angelamermaid http://www.livejournal.com/users/angelamermaid/ From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Fri Jun 20 01:43:59 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 20 Jun 2003 01:43:59 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056073439.342.8793.w4@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: How will you celebrate the release of OOP/obtain your copy? o I will be attending a midnight release party at B&N, Borders, Waldenbooks, Waterstones, or another chain store. o I will be attending a midnight release party at an independent bookshop o I will be attending a midnight party but not a bookshop o I'm queuing to buy the book before the stores open on saturday morning o I'm getting it from Amazon.com (or another internet retailer) on saturday morning o I'll stop by the bookshop sometime on saturday to pick up a copy, but maybe not that morning. o I'm holding some type of read in party after the book's release o I plan on becoming an anti-social hermit, who has threatened anyone who interrupts my reading within an inch of his/her life, after getting OOP o I plan to savour the book and to read it as slowly as possible (after all it might be awhile before we see book six) o I am planning on attending an event I discovered through MAURI.com o There's a book coming out?!?!?! o other. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=1109933 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 20 02:35:06 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:35:06 -0500 Subject: Amazon orders Message-ID: <017501c336d4$903e6240$829fcdd1@RVotaw> Well, I finally have a tracking number for my US Amazon order (deluxe edition). It's FedEx. It was scanned in Kentucky as shipped at 3:30. Kentucky, mind you. I can get there in a day easy, why does it have to take the book 2 days? Yes, I know, Saturday release date. I know. Amazon.uk order is still not dispatched. Of course, it's now the middle of the night there, so I guess not! Richelle (am I the only person who has spent most of the day thinking--the next time I go to work, I'll have read OotP. The next time I buy gas, I'll have read OotP, the next time . . ..) :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From princessmelabela at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 02:44:17 2003 From: princessmelabela at yahoo.com (Melanie Bond) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Amazon! In-Reply-To: <1056073439.342.8793.w4@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030620024417.52055.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, I'm really upset because I checked on my Harry Potter order again and it still say "waiting to be dispatched" NO!!! They promised me the 21 I am sure as Hell getting it the 21st Ummm sorry for being so ummm out spoken! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kcartweel at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 03:06:03 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:06:03 -0000 Subject: AAA I think that I am in the last time zone to get a book Message-ID: It is 8pm right now in Oregon (here), 11pm in new york, what time is it in Europe? From siskiou at earthlink.net Fri Jun 20 03:32:29 2003 From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:32:29 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AAA I think that I am in the last time zone to get a book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14165612062.20030619203229@earthlink.net> Hi, Thursday, June 19, 2003, 8:06:03 PM, kcartweel at yahoo.com wrote: > It is 8pm right now in Oregon (here), 11pm in new york, what time is > it in Europe? I'm also in Oregon, and my parents live in Germany. They are nine hours ahead of us. When I was still living in Germany, there was sometimes a one hour time difference to the UK (they didn't switch to daylight savings time, then, I think, and I'm not sure if this changed in the meantime). -- Best regards, Susanne mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/ From saitaina at wizzards.net Fri Jun 20 03:34:22 2003 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:34:22 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AAA I think that I am in the last time zone to get a book References: <14165612062.20030619203229@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011401c336dc$d7c62d20$1b311c40@aoldsl.net> OREGON RULES!!!!! Sorry, had to yell that. I have nothing more substantial to say. Saitaina **** "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina My theory on housework is, if the item doesn't multiply, smell, catch on fire or block the refrigerator door, let it be. No one cares. Why should you? From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 20 03:41:24 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:41:24 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AAA I think that I am in the last time zone to get a book References: Message-ID: <003401c336dd$d32f4a70$129ccdd1@RVotaw> kcartwheel wrote: > It is 8pm right now in Oregon (here), 11pm in new york, what time is > it in Europe? That should be eight hours difference from England. It's six hours from here. But don't forget Alaska, they'll be last to get it. :) I'm still cranky because my dad could get it an hour before me (he's in Florida, I'm in Louisiana), and he's not even going to the midnight opening. Just because he has to be at work at 5 am. He's picking it up after he gets off. Well! :) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jillily3g at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 03:52:53 2003 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:52:53 -0000 Subject: Amazon.co.uk's delivery time frame In-Reply-To: <002401c336c9$d85ee550$2e01000a@Tlaptop> Message-ID: > All this got me curious about my own order at Amazon.co.uk. > "Items not yet dispatched: HP and the OotP [Adult] > Delivery estimate: FEBURARY 20-24" > > GACK! Why in the world is it **February**?? What's going on there? > > ~Trisha My order is due to arrive between June 27 and July 1, too. Maybe you can contact customer service? Beth From illyana at mindspring.com Fri Jun 20 03:53:15 2003 From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:53:15 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AAA I think that I am in the last time zone to get a book In-Reply-To: <003401c336dd$d32f4a70$129ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 08:41 , Richelle Votaw wrote: > But don't forget Alaska, they'll be last to get it. :) Actually, won't Hawaii be the last to get it? That really sucks! illyana, who has no idea how she'll get through nine hours of work tomorrow HPGCv1 a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tongapeach at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 04:45:19 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:45:19 -0000 Subject: Hi everyone! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I even peeked at the Buffy finale spoilers!! (And I tried avoiding > those, too). > > Aesha AHHH! BUFFY! *pouts because her cable stopped carrying the channel with Buffy this past year and she hasn't seen ANY of the final season* *sigh* I'm really trying tonight to be calm... I think tomorrow will be sheer TORTURE!!! AHHH! Less than 24 hrs!! Tonga From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 05:32:16 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:32:16 -0000 Subject: A Lego/trelawny moment Message-ID: Ok, so I figured we need a little levitly here as I can feel the anxiety level starting to rise (uh, yours and mine). Here's what happened tonite: I brought in my (kids')Lego HP people to work and arranged them nicely above my workbench, so I could look at them this evening. I had Harry holding Hedwig (from the Hogwarts Express set), and a Gryffindor sheild (don't know where that came from). He was standing next to twofaced Quirell/Voldie; on the other side of Harry was Hagrid, with Hermione and Ron as backup crew(except that Ron has a green/Slytherin body; maybe I'll pretend he's Percy instead) Next to Quirell was Draco and Snape (wearing Harry's hair), and next to Snape was Dumbldore, except he didn't have his head on (couldn't find it). They were all having a wonderful time wathcing me work. When, all of sudden, my coworker informed that one of them fell off the shelf!! (as she put it, committed Lego suicide). Who was it? I was curious! Was this a forshadowing of things to come? I left the front area and walked around to my bench to find . . . a disgruntled Snape had jumped off!! He was lying face down next to the heat block!! (He obviously was upset at his hair). Alas, poor Snape! I could not console him in his fate in OoP!! He will just have to wait like the rest of us!! 22 1/2 hours to go . . . (although, I regret having to wait till saturday now) Anna . . .(whose coworker now thinks I've gone waaaayyy over the edge, and the rope that is holding me on is starting to fray) . . .must find Dumbledore's head . . . From tongapeach at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 05:33:32 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:33:32 -0000 Subject: Release Times Message-ID: *sigh* You know, I grew up in SW Missouri... it was nice there and I miss good ole CST. I seem to 'operate' best on that time zone. However for the first time in my life I'm actually 'glad' to be living in the EST zone- even if just barely! Chattanooga, how I love thee! ;-) And most of my realitives- and friends- live Central... a few are coming to Chattanooga to get their books instead of ordering from bookstores in their areas. Smart idea. ;-) Darn! I'll be moving to Arkansas soon, back to CST- meaning next book I'll be with the rest of you on delayed release. *sigh* Tonga- who will continue to bounce around until much later From tongapeach at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 05:41:04 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:41:04 -0000 Subject: A Lego/trelawny moment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" wrote: > Ok, > so I figured we need a little levitly here as I can > feel the anxiety level starting to rise (uh, yours and mine). You ain't just whistling Dixie (as my great-grandmother likes to say). ;-) > I had Harry holding Hedwig (from the Hogwarts Express set), and a > Gryffindor sheild (don't know where that came from). He was standing > next to twofaced Quirell/Voldie; on the other side of Harry was > Hagrid, with Hermione and Ron as backup crew(except that Ron has a > green/Slytherin body; maybe I'll pretend he's Percy instead) Next to > Quirell was Draco and Snape (wearing Harry's hair), and next to Snape > was Dumbldore, except he didn't have his head on (couldn't find it). > They were all having a wonderful time wathcing me work. This sounds like my little 'crew' I had watching me work when I was 'enslaved' to the insurance company. They kept me company- in tough, hard times I swear they talked to me. ;-) (I am kidding you know) > When, all of sudden, my coworker informed that one of them fell off > the shelf!! (as she put it, committed Lego suicide). Who was it? > I was curious! Was this a forshadowing of things to come? Lego suicide- the tragedy! > a disgruntled Snape had jumped off!! He was lying face down next to > the heat block!! (He obviously was upset at his hair). OH NO! (it is not helping that my little brother (16) is watching Mr. Bill right now...) > Anna . . .(whose coworker now thinks I've gone waaaayyy over the > edge, and the rope that is holding me on is starting to fray) Eh, as my grandmother (other side than the Dixie-grandma) says, 'as long as you can hold to one blade of grass and not fall off the face of the Earth you're doing fine'. ;-) Tonga From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 10:21:49 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:21:49 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Chatrooms will be open throughout the weekend Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! We would like to remind you that the chatroom HP:1 will be open throughout OOP weekend. It will be non-moderated. This chatroom will be Read At Your Own Risk. There is also a second non-moderated chatroom, HP2PRIVATE. We would like this chatroom to be used as a spoiler free zone. To join either of the chatrooms, go into any Yahoo chat room and type /join HP:1 or /join HP2PRIVATE You may find that there is no one in these chatrooms when you join. If this happens, we suggest that you post on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ and invite people to join you in chat.. People (including your friendly moderators) will be dropping in from time to time The regular Sunday chat will be happening at the normal time: 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7pm UK time. It may start a little earlier, or a little later. It normally goes on for about 5 hours, but will continue as long as people want to continue. We know that there are also some other Harry Potter chatrooms out there, hosted by other groups. We would like to invite any of these other groups to advertise their chats on OT chatter (please mention whether or not they're spoiler free). We now return you to the party ;-) Hope to see you in chat! The Administration Team From linkajarjarbinks at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 12:24:30 2003 From: linkajarjarbinks at yahoo.com (Michelle TerLouw) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Lego/trelawny moment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030620122430.25030.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Whoa! That IS spooky! And not only did Snape fall off the shelves, Dumbledore was missing his head! Well, now we know who might be the finialists in 'The Harry Potter Death' contest. Legos, a new way of predicting the future? dradamsapple wrote: Ok, so I figured we need a little levitly here as I can feel the anxiety level starting to rise (uh, yours and mine). Here's what happened tonite: I brought in my (kids')Lego HP people to work and arranged them nicely above my workbench, so I could look at them this evening. I had Harry holding Hedwig (from the Hogwarts Express set), and a Gryffindor sheild (don't know where that came from). He was standing next to twofaced Quirell/Voldie; on the other side of Harry was Hagrid, with Hermione and Ron as backup crew(except that Ron has a green/Slytherin body; maybe I'll pretend he's Percy instead) Next to Quirell was Draco and Snape (wearing Harry's hair), and next to Snape was Dumbldore, except he didn't have his head on (couldn't find it). They were all having a wonderful time wathcing me work. When, all of sudden, my coworker informed that one of them fell off the shelf!! (as she put it, committed Lego suicide). Who was it? I was curious! Was this a forshadowing of things to come? I left the front area and walked around to my bench to find . . . a disgruntled Snape had jumped off!! He was lying face down next to the heat block!! (He obviously was upset at his hair). Alas, poor Snape! I could not console him in his fate in OoP!! He will just have to wait like the rest of us!! 22 1/2 hours to go . . . (although, I regret having to wait till saturday now) Anna . . .(whose coworker now thinks I've gone waaaayyy over the edge, and the rope that is holding me on is starting to fray) . . .must find Dumbledore's head . . . Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christi0469 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 12:29:45 2003 From: christi0469 at hotmail.com (Christi) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:29:45 -0000 Subject: Amazon.co.uk's delivery time frame In-Reply-To: <00ab01c336ca$78e568a0$317f9244@cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: It seems that amazon.co.uk has given in to reality and updated my delivery time to June 27 -July 1 (from June 21), though they had marked it to be dispached soon. Ah, the perils of being an American that prefers the UK versions. Though I have to say in this one case that I prefer the American cover. Christi T. From Chasewildstar at attbi.com Fri Jun 20 11:38:21 2003 From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:38:21 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: Chatrooms will be open throughout the weekend References: Message-ID: <006901c33720$73a4b0c0$9c01f50c@mac> yes, but is it VOICE chat or mere text? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bluesqueak" To: Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: Chatrooms will be open throughout the weekend > > Greetings from Hexquarters! > > We would like to remind you that the chatroom HP:1 will be open > throughout OOP weekend. It will be non-moderated. This chatroom > will be Read At Your Own Risk. > > There is also a second non-moderated chatroom, HP2PRIVATE. We would > like this chatroom to be used as a spoiler free zone. > > To join either of the chatrooms, go into any Yahoo chat room and > type /join HP:1 or /join HP2PRIVATE > > You may find that there is no one in these chatrooms when you join. > If this happens, we suggest that you post on > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ and invite people to > join you in chat.. People (including your friendly moderators) will > be dropping in from time to time > > The regular Sunday chat will be happening at the normal time: 11 am > Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7pm UK time. It may start a little earlier, > or a little later. It normally goes on for about 5 hours, but will > continue as long as people want to continue. > > We know that there are also some other Harry Potter chatrooms out > there, hosted by other groups. We would like to invite any of these > other groups to advertise their chats on OT chatter (please mention > whether or not they're spoiler free). > > We now return you to the party ;-) > > > Hope to see you in chat! > > The Administration Team > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Is your message... > An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. > Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. > Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. > None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. > Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 20 12:38:40 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: Chatrooms will be open throughout the weekend In-Reply-To: <006901c33720$73a4b0c0$9c01f50c@mac> Message-ID: <20030620123840.70277.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Chase Wildstar wrote: yes, but is it VOICE chat or mere text? Not everyone wishes to or is able to have access to voice chat, therefore it should be notmal chat only. Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Fri Jun 20 12:59:32 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:59:32 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1081 Message-ID: >Subject: Re: This person claims to have OoP > >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "berkana123" < >JOANNABARRA788 at M...> wrote: > > > > I would love to think that the members of this group wouldn't need > > to search for text files > > >Ah, but to be able to SEARCH the text, for the first mention of Fawkes, or >to >count the number of times socks are mentioned, or whatever -- now wouldn't >that be a treat? > > >.................. That's true, that would be a treat ML Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 20 14:16:41 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:16:41 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Lego/trelawny moment References: Message-ID: <004501c33736$92f07660$2a9ecdd1@RVotaw> Anna wrote: > When, all of sudden, my coworker informed that one of them fell off > the shelf!! (as she put it, committed Lego suicide). Who was it? > I was curious! Was this a forshadowing of things to come? > I left the front area and walked around to my bench to find . . . > a disgruntled Snape had jumped off!! He was lying face down next to > the heat block!! (He obviously was upset at his hair). Ah! You've made me stop to check my own Lego figures (it took quite a while!) and I found I have only one who is not firmly on his feet. Not fallen either, though. He's propped himself up on his broom to hang on a little longer--Draco. So then I took a survey of the action figures and found that Dobby is flat on his back (nothing unusual, his iron makes him top heavy and he falls frequently), but suddenly George--or Fred? is teetering dangerously off his broom, looks like he's frozen in mid fall. Hmmmm. :) At least this is giving us something to think about, right? 15 hours! Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Jun 20 14:42:51 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:42:51 -0000 Subject: Times JKR interview Message-ID: JK did an interview for The (London) Times with Ann Treneman It's here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-719174,00.html It contains slight spoilage, though as it's from JKR herself it's tease rather than leak. There is quite a bit of overlap with the Paxman interview, interestingly, e.g. the story about the offer to return her advance (though I think Treneman has garbled it slightly) I think the Daily Telegraph carried an interview as well David From elfundeb at comcast.net Fri Jun 20 14:56:41 2003 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:56:41 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Nimbus Fundraiser Results and Thank You Message-ID: Greetings! -- "'Harry," said George weakly, weighing the money bag in his hands, "there's got to be a thousand Galleons in here.' 'Yeah,' said Harry, grinning. 'Think how many Canary Creams that is.'" -- The HPFGU fundraising drive for Nimbus - 2003 is finally complete, and we're happy to report that, through your generous contributions, the drive raised a whole bagful of galleons for Nimbus -- equal to 1700 U.S. dollars! We raise our goblets to all of you who contributed in HPFGU's name. Your support puts HPFGU in the top tier of contributors among fandom groups, and will enable HPFGU to become a sponsor of the Welcome Feast (alas, it won't feature Canary Creams), plus seven of the formal programming sessions. Once again, thank you to all of you for your generous support. You are all tremendous. The HPFGU Admin Team It's not too late to register! For more information about Nimbus - 2003, go to www.hp2003.org . From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr Fri Jun 20 15:53:38 2003 From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:53:38 -0000 Subject: So now this is it ! Message-ID: Hi all, Well, it is 6:00pm local time. In 14 hours I'll (hopefully) get my copy of OOP. I wanted to thank you all for easing this excruciating wait by your posts, filks and comments. I have been rather silent these months, mostly because I consider myself a terribly young newbie (until I discover MAGIC DISHWASHER was no more than 6 months older than me). Maybe I will write more now that we are all equal before those 766 pages to enjoy and study. Thanks again and see you on the list, Olivier, french but posting from Germany From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Fri Jun 20 16:51:56 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:51:56 +0000 Subject: Nervous as hell Message-ID: 6 hours until I get OoP and I have this giant butterfly flying around in my stomach....I am so damn nervous...It is as if I am going to a concert, or on holiday..... Hope to see some of you tonight . ML Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Fri Jun 20 17:01:24 2003 From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:01:24 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell Message-ID: <12.32574777.2c2497e4@aol.com> 6 hours 0.0 I have 11 hours to wait...man, the time is going by so slowly. I've been doing all I can to pass the time. I even planned on sleeping all day. Of course, I woke up at 9:00 this morning (EST) XP ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From glorificus21 at bigpond.com Fri Jun 20 17:08:36 2003 From: glorificus21 at bigpond.com (glory) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:08:36 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell References: <12.32574777.2c2497e4@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801c3374e$99e7fc00$7dc18b90@fickwalker> we're into the last six hours and counting. it's 3:08am here and i'm getting ready to leave for the book store at 5am. not taking any chances, i wanna make sure i'm first in line! Glory ----- Original Message ----- From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell 6 hours 0.0 I have 11 hours to wait...man, the time is going by so slowly. I've been doing all I can to pass the time. I even planned on sleeping all day. Of course, I woke up at 9:00 this morning (EST) XP ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 20 17:27:41 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:27:41 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell References: Message-ID: <018001c33751$4137cb00$2a9ecdd1@RVotaw> Joanna wrote: > 6 hours until I get OoP and I have this giant butterfly flying around in my > stomach....I am so damn nervous...It is as if I am going to a concert, or on > holiday..... Hope to see some of you tonight . First, let me say you're lucky it's only six hours, I've still got 12! Well, closer to 11 1/2. Second, I'm glad I'm not the only one who is nervous! I've been so excited all week (all month? all year?), and suddenly when I woke up today I was nervous! Why? I don't understand it myself! Do I think I won't get a book? No, it's preordered. Do I think I won't like the book? No, no doubts about that, I'll love it I know. So what IS the big deal? Honestly, I could barely eat this morning. It took me an hour and a half to eat half a crumpet and a scone. (Yes, very unAmerican, leftovers from a tea party at my mom's job for a British employee who is leaving.) And I'm supposed to go out to eat tonight with my friend before the midnight party, I've got to get over this! Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dehavensangel at hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 17:32:43 2003 From: dehavensangel at hotmail.com (shinesse) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:32:43 -0000 Subject: Nervous as hell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joanna barra" wrote: > 6 hours until I get OoP and I have this giant butterfly flying around in my > stomach....I am so damn nervous...It is as if I am going to a concert, or on > holiday..... Hope to see some of you tonight . > > > ML > > > Joanna > x OMG. I thought I was the only one. I'm in NYC and still have 10 hours left. I am way to excited. My mom keeps laughing at me and my husband thinks I'm nuts. I keep running around the house with my wand shouting spells at the televison or other ordinary objects. I have everything prepared, my 2 big bottles of mountain dew and lots of munchies. It seems in my neighborhood I'm the only one who even knows what tonight means. Which makes me even more excited because I feel like I really am escaping the world of the muggles. *shinesse* Is it just me or are the last few hours the hardest? From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Jun 20 17:44:06 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:44:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Nervous as hell References: Message-ID: <01ad01c33753$8c95b2e0$2a9ecdd1@RVotaw> shinesse wrote: > OMG. I thought I was the only one. I'm in NYC and still have 10 > hours left. I am way to excited. My mom keeps laughing at me and my > husband thinks I'm nuts. I keep running around the house with my > wand shouting spells at the televison or other ordinary objects. I'm home all alone and going nuts. And now it's raining. I've been going back and forth upstairs and down all morning. This is making me crazy! Can't they just give us the book and be done with it? Yes, I know, I know, 12:01. I should get my wand out, I hadn't thought of that yet. > I have everything prepared, my 2 big bottles of mountain dew and > lots of munchies. It seems in my neighborhood I'm the only one who > even knows what tonight means. Which makes me even more excited > because I feel like I really am escaping the world of the muggles. Me too, my munchies are all in a box by my bed. I'm going nuts here by myself, my mom should come by for lunch before too long (probably not in the rain, though!), so I can ramble on to her about all my last minute predictions (having read the JKR interviews and USA Today review). Come on clock, move already! Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From glorificus21 at bigpond.com Fri Jun 20 17:46:22 2003 From: glorificus21 at bigpond.com (glory) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:46:22 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell References: <12.32574777.2c2497e4@aol.com> <000801c3374e$99e7fc00$7dc18b90@fickwalker> Message-ID: <007a01c33753$e09cede0$7dc18b90@fickwalker> Correction: it is now 3:45a.m. Sydney, Australia time and I'm heading for the book store now. Happy Harry Day everyone!!!! Glory ----- Original Message ----- From: glory To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell we're into the last six hours and counting. it's 3:08am here and i'm getting ready to leave for the book store at 5am. not taking any chances, i wanna make sure i'm first in line! Glory ----- Original Message ----- From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell 6 hours 0.0 I have 11 hours to wait...man, the time is going by so slowly. I've been doing all I can to pass the time. I even planned on sleeping all day. Of course, I woke up at 9:00 this morning (EST) XP ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From illyana at mindspring.com Fri Jun 20 18:22:54 2003 From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:22:54 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nervous as hell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35E1A934-A34C-11D7-A713-003065B8B954@mindspring.com> On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 09:51 , joanna barra wrote: > 6 hours until I get OoP and I have this giant butterfly flying around > in my > stomach....I am so damn nervous...It is as if I am going to a concert, > or on > holiday..... Hope to see some of you tonight . > I have been nervous for the past few days - everything I eat makes me sick and I keep waking up in the middle of the night during dreams about the release party (I am serious! Three nights in a row I've had release party dreams). I haven't eaten anything today because I couldn't keep down last night's dinner, and my stomach hurts so much that I had to go home sick from work. And it's only 11:30! I still have over 12 hours to go! I think I'm gonna die! illyana HPGCv1 a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hp at plum.cream.org Fri Jun 20 18:31:50 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:31:50 +0100 Subject: Last-minute ideas Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030620183904.00980b90@plum.cream.org> As I prepare to leave the house (in several hours!) a few last thoughts on what I think will and won't be in the book. One thing in particular is making me reconsider one of my predictions... in the Paxo interview last night, and the interviews in three British newspapers today (Times, Telegraph and Express, each of which were labelled "exclusive" - huh?), JKR used a curious phrase regarding *that* death: "This time it is someone I consider to be a main character" (and variations thereon; that quote is from the Times). "*I* consider"? Does this mean that it's not necessarily someone the average reader would consider "important"? General consensus (certainly the majority vote on HPFGU) is that it'll be Hagrid, but I'm beginning to have VERY serious doubts. Hagrid is without a slightest doubt an "important character" by anyone's standards so I'm wondering why JKR is hedging her bets like that. JKR's been talking up this death for the last three years in a brilliant piece of marketing (as was the case, I understand, before GoF), so I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was just another bit of deliberate dissembling. So the question remains, whom might JKR consider to be "important" in this way? I have no real ideas, but of course Lupin, Black, or even old Mrs Figg could all apply. A few other thoughts on popular items of speculation in no particular order which I want to get on paper before I can be proved right or wrong (note: I've been deliberately avoiding the main list and other HP forums, as well as TLC and other sites so as not to open myself to spoilers; some of this may have already been revealed to be true or false): "Arabella Figg" isn't "Mrs Figg". They're mother and daughter. Mrs Figg is a genuine Muggle old woman. The "Magical Place" Harry visits is St. Mungo's. This may well happen in circumstances in which he is injured away from (or beyond) Madam Pomfrey's skills and needs to be hospitalised. Rita Skeeter will make her return and be more vicious than ever. Her comeuppance will consist of being publicly revealed to be an unregistered Animagus. Voldemort and Dumbledore will come face-to-face in some way. Dumbledore will try to persuade him to change his path; of course Voldie will refuse. Harry will break the meeting, and this may well be the opportunity for the "It's time to tell you everything" speech. The book may end with Sirius's exoneration, but not before several contretemps. Hermione will *not* be made a Gryffindor Prefect for some reason. It'll come as a big blow to her. On the other hand, Ron *will* (he has to start on his way to making his PS/SS prediction of being Hogwarts Head Boy and captain of a victorious Gryffindor quidditch team come true; I assume that to be Head Boy, one first has to be a prefect, and that happens in Fifth Year). Firenze the Centaur will make a re-appearance and we will find out the essence of both Trelawney's First Prediction, and what the centaurs meant by "Mars is bright" back in PS/SS. I can't decide whether Aragog makes a re-appearance in this book or the next one. I think that's enough. -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who'll start his voyage of discovery of which of the above are right or wrong in, oh, less than five hours... From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 19:05:23 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New LiveJournal for Nimbus - 2003 Message-ID: <20030620190523.54636.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, all. As some of you know, last night, we were told by LiveJournal that someone on our staff sent unsolicited emails that somehow linked back to the text of our journal "for the purposes of commercial gain." Now, we're reasonably sure no one did any such thing, and we're still trying to get to the bottom of it. If anyone has any information about this - please, we're not angry, we just need the facts, as LJ is not giving them to us without a subpoena. We're only looking for the source of an email containing a link to the *LiveJournal* itself, not to the regular website (hp2003.org). Meanwhile, they suggested we set up a new LiveJournal. So we have done so. You can find it here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/hporlando/ Gee, I hope that wasn't an announcement for commercial gain. :^) We'll start posting the archives when we have time - this weekend is *just* a little busy. Meanwhile, you can always search the message archives at HPFGU-Convention and HPFGU-Announcements if you're looking for something we said in the past. Also, while we're on the subject, we've gotten a LOT of press this week! Can't imagine why... Check our our "In the News" links, including *ABCNEWS.COM!* Gwen ===== Bring Your Own Broom to Nimbus - 2003! http://www.hp2003.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kcartweel at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 19:13:33 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:13:33 -0000 Subject: does anyone want to chat w/ me about HP? yahoo- kcartweel, aol kcartweel Message-ID: I really want to talk about HP From andie at knownet.net Fri Jun 20 21:17:20 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:17:20 -0000 Subject: 12:01 Message-ID: Can you picture this? June 21st, 2003 12:01 a.m. Everyone together now... "ACCIO PHOENIX!" I think that would be much easier than having to trample the small children to get our copies, don't you guys??? :) grindieloe From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx Fri Jun 20 21:31:23 2003 From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:31:23 -0000 Subject: Nervous as hell In-Reply-To: <35E1A934-A34C-11D7-A713-003065B8B954@mindspring.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, illyana delorean wrote: > > I have been nervous for the past few days - everything I eat makes me > sick and I keep waking up in the middle of the night during dreams > about the release party (I am serious! Three nights in a row I've had > release party dreams). I haven't eaten anything today because I > couldn't keep down last night's dinner, and my stomach hurts so much > that I had to go home sick from work. And it's only 11:30! I still have > over 12 hours to go! I think I'm gonna die! > > illyana Well, it is a relief to know that I'm not the only nervous person around. I can't eat or sleep and I have this growing feeling of uneasiness. In a few hours a lot of you will be reading THE book, but I will be tossing and turning in bed because I'll have to travel tomorrow to the U.S. to get my copy (verly early, by the way). Hopefully I'll find the book and read it as fast as I can but in case something goes wrong (read, can't find the book)I was very lucky to find a mexican bookstore that can deliver the book though I will have to wait 5 or 7 days; of course I ordered it as in cases like this you must have a back up plan :) It is nice to know that although in RL your friends, family or co- workers might think you are insane for being a fan of "children literature", you can always come here and read the posts and find out that other people really understand what you are going through. That's why I want to say thank you all and see you soon. Gabriela From tabouli at unite.com.au Fri Jun 20 21:54:20 2003 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:54:20 +1000 Subject: Leaky Cauldron countdown Message-ID: <001f01c33776$81d822c0$f07032d2@price> Is it just me, or is/was the TLC countdown clock about 8 hours ahead of itself? It's now claiming OoP is out, but by my clock, it's another hour and ten minutes... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From siskiou at earthlink.net Fri Jun 20 21:47:08 2003 From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:47:08 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 12:01 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105529988.20030620144708@earthlink.net> Hi, Friday, June 20, 2003, 2:17:20 PM, andie at knownet.net wrote: > I think that would be much easier than having to trample the small > children to get our copies, don't you guys??? :) Oh yes! I just called Borders, where we'll be picking up the book tonight, and they are expecting about 800 people! I never thought there would be so many! Our town is not *that* big (ca. 150.000), and there are other large bookstores open besides Borders. We might be there all night, waiting in line... -- Best regards, Susanne mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/ From ArachneWebbstir at hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 22:09:22 2003 From: ArachneWebbstir at hotmail.com (Arachne Webbstir) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:09:22 -0000 Subject: Any booksellers or librarians here? Message-ID: Perhaps all you devoted booklovers (why else would you be working in a bookstore or library, right? ;) could use my recommended book lists to suggest other authors to HP fans looking for something else, after they've read OOP for the fifth time this summer. Although I've been posting like mad (I heard that remark!) on the HPFGU book forum this past month, I still have a number of other book connections in my "Detectionary" notebooks which I'd like to share with other HP fans. There already are numerous book lists claiming "if you love HP, you will also enjoy such and such". But as the catch phrase goes, I tried some of them--but I didn't like them. Partly due to lack of time (I'm a full-time caregiver for a family member), I might not post on HP book forums for a month. It may be several months before I can get hold of copy of OOP, if I must wait to borrow it from the public library, due to lack of funds. I might utilize the Amazon.com "Listmania" feature to "publish" two of my lists (one for children--and all those young at heart--and one for advanced teens and adults). However, I'm not sure how you find a list by a specific person on Amazon. I know their Wishlists can be searched by name (I used my nom-de-plume below) or by someone's email. Perhaps their "About Me" feature may give a link to any other product lists I might compile for public access. You can tell it's me because area of shipping address starts with Frankenstein's namesake in GOBLET, and then the first syllables in name of Portia Blake's home (you relish unraveling riddles--don't you?) Looking up titles or authors I have mentioned in HPFGU book forum may also bring you to my planned recommended lists on Amazon (I swear they aren't paying me for product placement or name dropping!) Even if you do find my "recommends", you might not see the connections I interpret as evidence that Rowling also read and refers to them "intertexually" in her own work. My explanations with citations may be longer than will fit in space Amazon allots for reviews. Perhaps I can post more of my observations and essays about reading with Rowling-colored glasses on HPFGU later this summer. I hope you will all enjoy starting ORDER OF THE PHOENIX at midnight tonight. Now it's time for me to try to take a nap. (Sometimes lately, I feel ike an enslaved house elf, on-call 24/7. I wonder if their secret for feeling content only when self-lessly working hard will ever be revealed! ;) Til later on the web, ARANITA WEBBSTIR From Mhochberg at aol.com Fri Jun 20 22:16:40 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:16:40 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 12:01 Message-ID: <1c8.b9242d5.2c24e1c8@aol.com> Actually only one other store (Barnes and Noble) is planning on being open. The others are opening at 8 in the morning. Borders had around 1,000 pre-ordered books and the B. Dalton's store in Gateway had over 300. ---Mary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hp at plum.cream.org Fri Jun 20 22:25:19 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:25:19 +0100 Subject: I think I'm getting old Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030620231817.00993320@plum.cream.org> I'm about to leave home for Waterstone's (I expect no queues when I get there and they open the doors at midnight - just over half an hour away!) and had a quick look on the Newsround site to see what the kids in queues around the country are texting in on their cellphones. I actually had to think and concentrate on understanding it when I saw this one: I nt in a q @ t moment bt2mrw I goin2a bukstore whr Chris Rankin(Percy Weasley)wil b!I cnt w8.Il keep u updated wen im thr! God, I really AM getting old! I will be back in less than an hour to crow about my new acquisition (I'm taking cash to pay for it, just in case the electronic banking system falls over...) -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who's glad that HPFGU doesn't allow that kind of nonsense... From zorb47 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 22:41:24 2003 From: zorb47 at yahoo.com (Zorb) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Leaky Cauldron countdown In-Reply-To: <001f01c33776$81d822c0$f07032d2@price> Message-ID: <20030620224124.88824.qmail@web20505.mail.yahoo.com> I believe it syncs up to your computer clock, because it's currently telling me, eversotruthfully, that I have eight hours and twenty minutes to go. It must be set to automatically say the book is out when it's the 21st, and since the second half of that is true for you... Zorb, hating her timezone for the first time ever Tabouli wrote: Is it just me, or is/was the TLC countdown clock about 8 hours ahead of itself? It's now claiming OoP is out, but by my clock, it's another hour and ten minutes... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bugly_3 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 22:54:14 2003 From: bugly_3 at yahoo.com (Christine) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:54:14 -0000 Subject: Re Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joanna barra" wrote: What kind of Harry Potter site,will this be? Is it a fiction site? A site to receive up to date information on Harry Potter....Is it a dark Harry Potter site, with a twist?...Or is it a site dedicated to the animagi of magical world? I think The Riddle house sounds good, but then would that mean that your site is dedicated to Voldemort? I also think The Pensive sounds really good...yes that is the one. joanna _________________________________________________________________ Thanks! It's either going to be The Pensive, or Riddle House, most likely The Pensive though. It has a nice ring to it. From lupinesque at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 23:12:31 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:12:31 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Spoiler rule in effect through July 5 Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! Wah hay! Oh joy! It's finally here! The Phoenix has landed! And with it has landed a request from our listmembers. We held a public poll to determine the length of time the Spoiler rules should stay in operation. The majority request was for a two week post-OOP period. Until 23:59 British Summer Time Saturday July 5th, 2003, we would like members to continue to use the "OOP" prefix for any post to any of our lists that contains spoilers for OoP. 23:59 BST will be [could someone (or several someones) translate the time difference for East Coast, West Coast, and Australia? Thanks] The definition of a spoiler is: anything in the book, any cover art, any cover blurb, any quotation from a news article or interview which refers to book, cover art or cover blurb. Subject headers should not, of course, contain spoilers themselves -- "OOP: Sirius Dies At Azkaban!" rather defeats the point of the OoP prefix. For example, an appropriate subject header might be, "OOP: Harry, Sirius." Harry and Sirius are so interconnected in previous books that this isn't a spoiler. "OOP: Harry, Lupin" on the other hand, *would* be a spoiler, as those who haven't yet got hold of a copy don't know whether Lupin is in Book 5. "OOP: Lupin" would be better (as for all we know, you might be posting on why Lupin isn't in the book). Remember that a subject header which has *both* a chapter number and a subject is in itself a spoiler. 'OOP: Chapter 32 - Sirius' tells readers that Sirius turns up in Chapter 32. For a reader only on Chapter 7, where Harry is worried about his godfather, that's a spoiler. If you want to discuss a particular chapter, use chapter numbers *only*. 'OOP: Chapter 32' is fine. Please begin using "OOP" prefix on all of our lists -- especially the main list and OT-Chatter ? until and including July 5th. And remember, if you have any comments about any OoP release issues, holler at us at: hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com "The truth." Dumbledore sighed. "It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution." [PS/SS Chapter 17] Be like Dumbledore. Tell people as little as possible. ;-) We've counted down to June 21st! The Administration Team From lupinesque at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 23:14:18 2003 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:14:18 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: The Main List is read-only and Canon Discussion may take Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! Oh, joy! Oh, bliss! Oh, blessings be upon us! OoP Day has arrived!! ::The Admin Team bounces around Hexquarters, bumping into each other and spilling copious amounts of butterbeer:: While we're all jumping around with glee or squirreling ourselves into a hidey-hole with our Own Beloved Copy of OoP the Admin Team wishes to remind you that the Main List is now closed and will reopen Sunday at 21:00 BST. However you are free, as always, to discuss anything at all here on OTC. Even OoP ;-) Remember that the Spoiler Rules apply to OTC just as they do to the Main List. Don't forget ? time zones vary, and some people can't get OoP on the stroke of midnight. Anyone found to be ignoring the Spoiler Rules may find that their enraged fellow listies are making them the subject of an experiment in sending the Jelly Legs curse over the internet. They will also be the subject of very pointed attention from List Administration (especially if the elf dealing with your case has not yet got OOP themselves)! Any canon discussion of OoP will be transferred back to the Main List once it reopens on Sunday. Now, what are you waiting for? Get back to your reading! O.W.L. T.R.E.A.T. (Our Wizarding Leaders: The Really Ecstatic Admin Team) From Chasewildstar at attbi.com Fri Jun 20 22:29:28 2003 From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:29:28 -0400 Subject: News Flash: Its strangly silent. Message-ID: <001101c3377b$6adeb070$9c01f50c@mac> What is the strange silence? Saturday Night, midnight. Book stores have people lined up to buy Harry Potter book 5. Hard cover editions, audio books on CD or Cassette Tape. Many people are in costume. Many of the stores have had Harry Potter parties, which started hours earlier. Now its Saturday and there is a strange silence falling over the land. Kids are not fighting (unless its over who has the book), Adults are sitting in easy chairs, Teens are laying on their beds, everyone reading this latest edition of the Harry Potter series. Not a sound being heard other than that of pages being turned. Some manage to read this book in under 3 hours, others take a 18 hour marathon to read the book from cover to cover without pause, or just long enough to order pizza or something easy to eat. Ahh.. the book is out.. The wait is over - FOR the book that is.. Next on the list of the big Harry Potter distrubutions is the 3rd book in Movie form. Harry Potter The prisoner of Azkabaan is the latest of the books to be made into a movie. Its release date is sometime in 2004. So the wait switches course and now we wait for the 3rd movie. From littlemissgiggles666 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 23:33:51 2003 From: littlemissgiggles666 at yahoo.com (Chloe Carter) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:33:51 -0000 Subject: help! Message-ID: hello! i am studying in germany and ootp is not released here until november. hopeless. think its just a way of encouraging kids to learn english tee hee hee! so could you beautiful peeps be kind enough to let me know main aspects of the plot please. i know you are all busy tonight (rightfully so!) but when you have a few minutes, it would be great and i will be eternally grateful! i?m desperate ha ha ha! love C xxx From medeacallous at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 20 23:57:11 2003 From: medeacallous at yahoo.ca (medeacallous) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:57:11 -0000 Subject: OOP Newsround Spoiler Link Re: help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why not try out the BBC Newsround Spoilers page? http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi? &board=cbbcnews.hpspoiler&sort=D&bodies=1 or just go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/default.stm and tool around the HP section 'til you find it. MC From kcartweel at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 00:01:04 2003 From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:01:04 -0000 Subject: So much to talk about! kcartweel on aol or yahoo. Lets talk about Harry Message-ID: There are so many things I want to talk about. Like.. who will die, H+Hr or Hr+R, Voldie~liar? ... From heidit at netbox.com Sat Jun 21 00:02:34 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:02:34 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] help! Message-ID: There will be spoilers posted here over the next few days, then on the main list next week, but you could also try fictionAlley's ootp forul ar http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums -----Original Message----- From: "Chloe Carter" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:33:51 To:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] help! Real-To: "Chloe Carter" hello! i am studying in germany and ootp is not released here until november. hopeless. think its just a way of encouraging kids to learn english tee hee hee! so could you beautiful peeps be kind enough to let me know main aspects of the plot please. i know you are all busy tonight (rightfully so!) but when you have a few minutes, it would be great and i will be eternally grateful! i?m desperate ha ha ha! love C xxx ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From hp at plum.cream.org Sat Jun 21 01:02:22 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:02:22 +0100 Subject: OOP (non-spoiler teasers inside): Way! Hay! Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030621013155.00985220@plum.cream.org> My plans as previously announced have changed slightly, and I have brought my nice new black and white brick home rather than sitting outside to read it (it's bloody cold for the shortest night of the year!). I took a long leisurely walk home while reading and have got to the end of the second chapter. I've just put the kettle on and I thought I'd take advantage of the time to write a few words. I've witnessed several midnight releases in central Birmingham before (mainly films and computer games), but this is the first one in which I have been directly interested. There've only ever been (literally) three of four people standing waiting for doors to open for such events. The line of at least 50 people in an orderly queue outside WH Smiths, about 100 people outside the small Waterstone's branch opposite it were as nothing compared to the large Waterstone's branch 200 yards away. There were at least 300 people, most of them in costume, and at least 3/4 of them 15 years old or younger. The queue went alf way around the block (which is almost all the one bookshop). I smiled when I heard people discussing theories, and lot of people admitting to discovering such discussions for the very first time! It was an amazing feeling, seeing all these people, complete strangers to one another, getting over their British reticence and having rational and intelligent conversations at 11.55pm about a series of "children's books". The queue outside WH Smith (to which I returned, they're selling the book for ?2 less than Waterstone's) was all adults, and several people were saying "WH Smith is where the grownups come". To which I replied, "No, HPFGU is where the grown ups come!". Of course, everyone wanted to know where or what HPFGU was, so I started scribbling "www.hpfgu.org.uk" on bits of paper for people. :-) Immediately behind me in the queue were three guys who (as the conversation revealed) had just left a pub as it closed (the beer smell was quite clear). :-) One of them started an in-depth discussion of who was to die with me, and the whole queue joined in. It was "bloody brilliant"! Most people looked like they were about to kill me when I revealed that the online favourite is Hagrid - it seems that the thought hadn't crossed most of their minds! As I walked out of the shop with my (adult cover) copy (in a special "I got my copy at WH Smith" bag with the OOTP logo), I was possessed to do something I have never, ever, done before in over 30 years of reading books. I read the whole of the last page. Interestingly (or not) I was relieved to find that one character in particular was still alive, as that person said goodbye to Harry... I then started walking home (thankfully, the street lighting along the route home is pretty good and sufficient to read by), while reading the book from the start. I started, of course, with the second sentence (once got over the shock of the first chapter's title!)... :-). Normally, I can walk it in about 30-35 minutes. Tonight it took me an hour, and I've got to the end of the second chapter, which contains more incident and characters than probably the first four chapters of any of the earlier books. I particularly liked the way JKR sketched in a brief "who's who" without being quite as laboured about it as she has been before. Also, in those first two chapters, at least four matters of major fan speculation have been resolved or have been brought to an interesting head. Especially the last few paragraphs of Chapter Two, which don't actually reveal anything, but they *do* open a completely new can of worms! I am incredibly intrigued and now must find out more. Regrettably, I have an early start in the morning to do other things which have cropped up, and I am very dismayed that within the next hour or so, I shall have to go to bed... :-( I am incredibly jealous of the Aussies, who get to buy their books at the beginning of the day rather than at midnight, 'cos they can get on to finish it - I for one will need sleep soon! -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who hopes to post again about breakfast time... From debmclain at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 01:08:25 2003 From: debmclain at yahoo.com (Debbie) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:08:25 -0000 Subject: OOP (non-spoiler teasers inside): Way! Hay! In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030621013155.00985220@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: GulPlum AKA Richard: Thanks for your insightful read. It's really nice to hear what goes on in the UK. I'm really excited, and now more so with your admittance of tons of stuff going on in the first 2 chapters. But most intriguing is your surprise at the title of the first chapter. AUGH! Three more hours to go!! Unfortunately, like most adults, I will have limited time to read it also. My parents decided to visit this weekend. Originally, my husband was going to watch the baby all weekend, but alas, I will spend time with my wonderful parents instead - my mother is the one who got me into HP in the first place! Again, thanks for your insights, and lack of spoilers. -Debbie --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > My plans as previously announced have changed slightly, and I have brought > my nice new black and white brick home rather than sitting outside to read > it (it's bloody cold for the shortest night of the year!). I took a long > leisurely walk home while reading and have got to the end of the second > chapter. > > I've just put the kettle on and I thought I'd take advantage of the time to > write a few words. > > I've witnessed several midnight releases in central Birmingham before > (mainly films and computer games), but this is the first one in which I > have been directly interested. There've only ever been (literally) three of > four people standing waiting for doors to open for such events. The line of > at least 50 people in an orderly queue outside WH Smiths, about 100 people > outside the small Waterstone's branch opposite it were as nothing compared > to the large Waterstone's branch 200 yards away. There were at least 300 > people, most of them in costume, and at least 3/4 of them 15 years old or > younger. The queue went alf way around the block (which is almost all the > one bookshop). I smiled when I heard people discussing theories, and lot > of people admitting to discovering such discussions for the very first time! > > It was an amazing feeling, seeing all these people, complete strangers to > one another, getting over their British reticence and having rational and > intelligent conversations at 11.55pm about a series of "children's books". > The queue outside WH Smith (to which I returned, they're selling the book > for ?2 less than Waterstone's) was all adults, and several people were > saying "WH Smith is where the grownups come". To which I replied, "No, > HPFGU is where the grown ups come!". Of course, everyone wanted to know > where or what HPFGU was, so I started scribbling "www.hpfgu.org.uk" on > bits of paper for people. :-) > > Immediately behind me in the queue were three guys who (as the conversation > revealed) had just left a pub as it closed (the beer smell was quite > clear). :-) One of them started an in-depth discussion of who was to die > with me, and the whole queue joined in. It was "bloody brilliant"! Most > people looked like they were about to kill me when I revealed that the > online favourite is Hagrid - it seems that the thought hadn't crossed most > of their minds! > > As I walked out of the shop with my (adult cover) copy (in a special "I got > my copy at WH Smith" bag with the OOTP logo), I was possessed to do > something I have never, ever, done before in over 30 years of reading > books. I read the whole of the last page. Interestingly (or not) I was > relieved to find that one character in particular was still alive, as that > person said goodbye to Harry... > > I then started walking home (thankfully, the street lighting along the > route home is pretty good and sufficient to read by), while reading the > book from the start. I started, of course, with the second sentence > (once got over the shock of the first chapter's title!)... :-). Normally, > I can walk it in about 30-35 minutes. Tonight it took me an hour, and I've > got to the end of the second chapter, which contains more incident and > characters than probably the first four chapters of any of the earlier books. > > I particularly liked the way JKR sketched in a brief "who's who" without > being quite as laboured about it as she has been before. > > Also, in those first two chapters, at least four matters of major fan > speculation have been resolved or have been brought to an interesting head. > Especially the last few paragraphs of Chapter Two, which don't actually > reveal anything, but they *do* open a completely new can of worms! I am > incredibly intrigued and now must find out more. > > Regrettably, I have an early start in the morning to do other things which > have cropped up, and I am very dismayed that within the next hour or so, I > shall have to go to bed... :-( > > I am incredibly jealous of the Aussies, who get to buy their books at the > beginning of the day rather than at midnight, 'cos they can get on to > finish it - I for one will need sleep soon! > > -- > GulPlum AKA Richard, who hopes to post again about breakfast time... From princessmelabela at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 01:42:22 2003 From: princessmelabela at yahoo.com (Melanie Bond) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I think I'm getting old In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030620231817.00993320@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <20030621014222.45595.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> OMG If I were you I would send that girl a howler. I mean if you can't post full words don't post at all! And by the way having to reread that post over and over again is not a sign of being old. If it was then I must be ancient...and I'm only 22. ~Melanie, who is currently getting ready in her Trelawney outfit! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From princessmelabela at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 01:53:31 2003 From: princessmelabela at yahoo.com (Melanie Bond) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Happy Harry Potter Day!!! In-Reply-To: <20030621014222.45595.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030621015331.52989.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> That was the greeting that I got from my second and third graders as I came into my classroom. I work at a summer day care program in my hometown and I'm the lead teacher in the second and third grade "seniors" program. It was really exciting. I walked in this morning and they greeted me with: Happy Harry Potter Day, Miss Melanie. It was sooo adorable. I thought I was going to cry. The kids know how much I love Harry because I used it as a way to connect to some of the kids. We had a trivia game in the room and they always wanted to play it with me. I was even able to talk their parents into doing a little "sorting" so that I could group them easier for games and group activities. We are having a sorting ceremony on Monday, I am really very excited about it! Anyways, I just thought it was cute little story to share with you. When i have more time I'll tell you some of the amazing theories these kids come up with! ~Melanie Oh and Happy Harry Potter Day to all of you too!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Sat Jun 21 02:10:26 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:10:26 -0000 Subject: Pleadr tell mr Rota Skeeter was let loss to the carnivorous plants Message-ID: She was really annoying. Maybe she will have to serve 20 years in Azkaban for being an unregistered animagi From chicken at efn.org Sat Jun 21 03:40:56 2003 From: chicken at efn.org (chicken at efn.org) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:40:56 -0800 Subject: My little bro got OoP a day early?! Message-ID: <200306210344.h5L3ix5V037205@shaw.efn.org> Hi, lurker in Oregon here, but I just HAD to share this... I just got the following email from my mom: ---------- Subject: HP arrival Date: Fri, Jun 20, 2003, 4:09 PM Hi Honey, Your brother got his Harry Potter book today..what a surprise to get it a day early! Your sister has already started it. They say it's good... Love, Mom ---------- Okay, now I'm really starting to wish I was in Arkansas with them... I'm so jealous! I think they ordered it from barnesandnoble.com... Has any one else heard of books arriving early in the mail? Ms. Laura-the-Lurker, waiting impatiently for her amazon.com order to (hopefully) show up here in the Oregon boonies. From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 04:03:41 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:03:41 -0000 Subject: Legos gone wild: An update Message-ID: Well, I figured I would inform you all of the activity that occured on the overnite shift at work while I was gone. I left my people at work to keep my fellow co-worker company (you see, she works alone on overnites,)and to my surprise, when I came in this afternoon, some of them were, um, well, how should I say this?? In *compromising positions*!! What shock and horror!! heres what I saw: - Draco and Quirrell/Voldie dancing - Snape stuck on top of Dumbledore's neck (remember,DD's head was missing) - Hagrid holding Hedwig and the Griffyndor sheild - Harry staring at Hagrid, looking dumbfounded, and the ULTIMATE OF FORSHADOWING, -Hermione was bent over, (painting her toenails?) with . . . um . . . er . . . Ron behind her (watching her paint her toenails??) Well, I was horrified!! My Goodness!! Legos gone wild, indeed!! I quickly straightened them all and got them looking dignified again, (except maybe DD) in anticipation of the midnight hour. So, as I leave my work for the evening, it is 5 minutes to midnight. I will try to drive down to Harvard Square and see what I can see. Thank you all for making HPFG and the HP fandom such a wonderful place!! Here's hoping that everyone has a pleasant first reading of Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix!! Anna . . . From s800148 at yahoo.com.tw Sat Jun 21 04:14:26 2003 From: s800148 at yahoo.com.tw (chi) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:14:26 -0000 Subject: how many pages do your Harry Potter book 5 has?? 766 or 768?? Message-ID: I read most of the book website it said 768 pages.. the story of mine book is ended at 766, and 767, 768 are blank... From glassdoc66 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 05:18:33 2003 From: glassdoc66 at yahoo.co.uk (glassdoc66) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:18:33 -0000 Subject: MERCH and no. 1! In-Reply-To: <95s9rb+dulb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, voicelady at m... wrote: > Well, hey, *someone* had to post the first message, huh? Woo hoo! > > Thought I'd post this here instead of the main board and hope that > things'll get jumping! > > Anyway, I stopped by the WB store 2 days ago, and just positively > drooled over the jean jacket. Boy, is that item just gorgeous, and > man, do I want it! But $55 USD? I wasn't so sure. Then yesterday, > out of the blue, my 2 bosses decided to show me that they appreciate > the work I do. (Not that I didn't know it already, but hey, it's > always nice.) They gave me, ahem, $25 dollars worth of Blockbuster > gift cards, a tub of microwave popcorn and candy, a Sam Goody $25 > dollar gift certificate, and a $50 dollar American Express Gift > Cheque! Holy cow! So just guess what I spent the Gift cheque on > today...yup, you betcha...I went back and grabbed myself one of those > jackets! It was like it was practically free! Strange thing, though - > it only comes in adult sizes. And then I bought the Hedwig mini- > figurine (that's a new one to go with my set) and the Hogwarts light- > up pen. I'm just going HP crazy! > > Jeralyn, the Voicelady From errolowl at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 05:20:05 2003 From: errolowl at yahoo.com (errolowl) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:20:05 -0000 Subject: OOP (non-spoiler teasers inside): Way! Hay! In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030621013155.00985220@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Oh GulPlum!!! What agony, Oh, it's twisting in the knife....Still an hour and 52 minutes away, but I just couldn't resist comming online and though I'd promised myself that I would only look at the message topics, I was lured into your post with that promise of no spoilers....now I'm oh so impatient...Awwhhh!! I've lasted three years, but I most certainly won't last the next one and a half hours... Someday I'll have my revenge...(evil grin) Loved your post.... Errol From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 06:05:06 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:05:06 -0000 Subject: I've just finished it...NO SPOILERS, promise Message-ID: Ohhhhhh. I'm shaking. I have mascara all over my face. I'm desperate to talk about it with somebody...anyone in the same position? Kirstini From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 06:14:26 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:14:26 -0000 Subject: AAA I think that I am in the last time zone to get a book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kcartweel" wrote: > It is 8pm right now in Oregon (here), 11pm in new york, what time is > it in Europe? For time anywhere in the world, plus other time and date function, and the option to make our own custom world time clock, see- http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/ for my own personal world time clock- http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=103,137,75,159,179,136,83,166,771,28,241,102,235,248,240,145 (Note: you'll have to cut and paste this long link to repair it and make it work.) bboy_mn From glcherry at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 21 06:25:30 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:25:30 -0000 Subject: I've just finished it...NO SPOILERS, promise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kirst_inn" wrote: > Ohhhhhh. I'm shaking. I have mascara all over my face. > I'm desperate to talk about it with somebody...anyone in the same > position? > Kirstini YES! me too! Oh my god I can't believe what she did! How could she kill....Well I won't say, but you know. I'm just devastated. I think I hate her now! How could she? How COULD she? From gueuze at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jun 21 06:37:42 2003 From: gueuze at blueyonder.co.uk (sabrejv) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:37:42 -0000 Subject: how many pages do your Harry Potter book 5 has?? 766 or 768?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chi" wrote: > I read most of the book website it said 768 pages.. > the story of mine book is ended at 766, and 767, 768 are blank... The postman (mailman) just delivered my copy at 07.05 - I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying my book has 766 pages last words in my book are 'his wake.' Like you pages 767/768 are totally blank I do hope its not a printing/publisher error. Anyone else out theree can confirm your pages etc. SJV From tabouli at unite.com.au Sat Jun 21 07:31:33 2003 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:31:33 +1000 Subject: Post OOP: No real spoilers, mild writerly musings & one eyebrow waggle Message-ID: <003d01c337c7$24af6580$898586cb@price> For those who want not the slightest hint of what lies ahead, Stop Reading Now. There are slight hints below. No plot points, but hints and commentary on the writing. For those who've read it already or those willing to torture themselves... ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ...I've finished OoP. Still feel fleeced about the decidedly unromantic 9am Eastern Australian release, but ah well. They actually had a countdown clock set up at Federation Square in Melbourne, with the 10yo winner of a competition there to cut open the first box of books. Queued up, and had my copy by 9:30am, read scattered bits while my (less dedicated) friends talked of other things around me in (ahem) the McCafe (mine not to reason why McCafe, but McCafe they went to), came home a couple of hours later, and polished off the rest interspersed with a few conversations, meal breaks, and pauses for bouncing and glittering grins at a particular point in the text (waggles eyebrows mysteriously). Actually, having read it, I'm glad she didn't push herself to finish it the way she rushed GoF. GoF has its moments, but IMO it could have used much tighter editing. On and on and on about the Quidditch World Cup and the tasks... gah. OoP is longer, but (again IMO) better written. Tighter, better control of dramatic tension, a feeling that everything in it was either necessary and important to the plot or tastefully rationed plot relief. Much darker, as well, with the darkness better handled than it was in GoF. I'm even considering nipping onto the main list when it re-opens to talk about it, and that's something I've done very little of for about a year... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 07:25:47 2003 From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:25:47 -0000 Subject: Did anyone NOT dream of OOP Friday night? Message-ID: Hi list, I'm still OOP-less (I'll probably get it in the beginning of next week, though, Amazon's offer was too good for me to refuse because books are terribly expensive in Finland). Every damn bookshop is closed today, too (Midsummer's day is a public holiday here, so I can't even go and have a peek before Monday) :-( For the moment I'm "amusing" myself with creating worst-case scenarios in order to be at least somewhat prepared if the one who buys it in the end is anyone of my favourite characters. I suppose it was only to be expected that I woke up at three in the morning and realised A: that OOP had been for sale in the UK for one hour, and B: that I'd had a dream about what would happen in the book (should have written it down because now I can't remember). Just out of interest, am I weird or did anyone else dream of OOP the night before it was released? Alshain the Increasingly More Impatient From hp at plum.cream.org Sat Jun 21 07:42:56 2003 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:42:56 +0100 Subject: OOP: Chapter Four (non-spolier teaser) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030621083536.009c8460@plum.cream.org> OK, hands up anyone who checked whether or not the street name in the title of Chapter Four really exists? Actually, scratch that. Hands up anyone who has somewhere to check but has NOT checked whether or not it exists? (http://www.streetmap.co.uk for instance) :-) -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who must admit to having reached for his London A-Z street map the second he saw the chapter title. :-) (the answer is no, it doesn't exist) From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sat Jun 21 08:03:54 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:03:54 +1000 Subject: OOP: SPOILERS In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030621083536.009c8460@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <3EF49E0A.7308.3F47301@localhost> Possible problems/flint hooks in Order of the Phoenix. I'm going to stick some spoiler space in just for the heck of it. OK (1) it seems that James Potter was not a Prefect - but from statements in earlier books he seems to have been Head Boy. Perhaps Head Boy does not need to have been a prefect. Do we have any indications on this? (2) How did Harry get the Marauder's Map back? Is this ever mentioned? (3) Prefects can't take points away from Houses... I'm almost certain Percy did so at least once. Maybe he was Head Boy by then - but there's a statement that only teachers can do so. Not saying these are definite problems - just asking if anyone can counter them by telling me things I've missed, or maybe add to the list. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From gueuze at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jun 21 08:05:46 2003 From: gueuze at blueyonder.co.uk (sabrejv) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:05:46 -0000 Subject: how many pages do your Harry Potter book 5 has?? 766 or 768?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Additional Info - Just been to do the weekly shopping and Tesco here in the UK are selling the book - I checked a few they had 766 pages as noted before. But do check your copy (Adult edition) as some that I looked at had a printing/binding error repeating the first few chapters at the end so you miss pages 710 onwards. SJV From gueuze at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jun 21 08:14:27 2003 From: gueuze at blueyonder.co.uk (sabrejv) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:14:27 -0000 Subject: Check the book - bad copies - missing pages following page 710.. Message-ID: Hi Just got back and was able to see both the UK Adult and Childrens versions of the book at Tesco Supermarket. The book seems to finish at page 766 which I think is ok but can someone confirm ? (There is another thread on this as someone mentioned 768 was expected) WARNING - some copies (4 out of 10) of the adult edition that I looked at had a binding error so that the last page was 710 or so then you got the front page + chapters about 40-50 pages repeated so the book was incomplete. Real bad luck if you get one of those so check if you are buying a copy - SJV From heidit at netbox.com Sat Jun 21 09:43:49 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:43:49 -0400 Subject: Flint in ch 21[ootp] Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E IF YOU CAN SEE A THESTRAL AFTER YOU'VE SEEN DEATH WHY Couldn't Harry see them in years past? Does that mean he didn't actually see his parents die, but just heard them? Heidi Tandy *Ask me about Nimbus - 2003* Http://www.hp2003.org From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 12:13:53 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:13:53 -0000 Subject: Did anyone NOT dream of OOP Friday night? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I hear ya, Alshain! It's now 8:10 am where I am and still no book (my mother just reminded me that FedEx guys sleep too...). You know those dreams where everyone else has the books and you don't? I think I woke myself up last night from at least 7 of those... Until the Bearer of The Book shows up, I'm planning on amusing myself by baking Pumpkin muffins. I can't tell you how bad my hands are shaking just from excitement. Good thing no one wants me to do surgery today! Happy Harry Potter Day! Cheers! Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny, who's still wearing her heavy wool Gryffindor scarf, even though it's getting close to 80 degrees :) From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 14:09:57 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:09:57 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? Message-ID: Mmmmm, morning folks. Have now had five hours of sleep and wiped all the mascara off my face, chest, arms, and armchair. I really wasn't even aware I used so much. I need discussion. No-one else I know has finished it yet. Hopefully, this pointless yabbering should have filled up the space where this message pops up on the homepage, as the vertical spoiler signs don't seem to be working. Here's one for good measure: S P O I L E R Impressions, spewed out rather randomly in the hope of provoking debate: 1. Did anyone else have an uneasy feeling that they were reading fanfic at some points - especially at bits concerning Luna Lovegood and other newly-mentioned students, and in some of the early (Arabella, Sirius) dialogue? I know this sounds a bit blasphemous. I don't mean it to. I'm trying to rationalise it away as my mind adjusting to new canon after so long; particularly when the new canon is so radically different from the old? Is this a narrative/stylistic thing tied in with New, Improved, StroppyHarry? Did anyone else get this feeling? 2. Whoo hoo! New female characters! They took up quite a lot of the plot! They were all rather active within the narrative! Even if half of them were psychotically twisted! 3.Lily's eyes? Indeed, more "about Lily"? Not much, was there? As far as I can tell, there was just And what about the claim that we would never see a living Lily or James? I thing that particular excerpt counts... (NB - I'm fascinated by the idea, pushed further than it was in GoF and CoS, that a recorded memory doesn't just record the subjective truth of the person in that memory. Harry was able to break away from Snape's consciousness altogether, almost as though there is one particular objective standpoint on a set of events in existence in addition to the individual consciousnesses which experience them subjectively. Harry wasn't seeing through Snape's point of view, he was seeing through the eyes of a third person narrator. I think I need to think those implications through further...) 4. Neville, Ginny and McGonagall (esp. the last two). Bravo. Never really thought I'd say that. 5. - on the other hand - Arabella Figg and Rita Skeeter...? I felt more than a little disappointed. Those were some of the least Bangy scenes I have ever read. Maybe not ever. I think I'm exaggerating a little because of sleep deprivation. and finally 6....I never thought I'd miss you/ half as much/ as I do..... WOW. Where did that come from? Although I suppose you can see a certain inevitability about it, re-thinking the book. Ohhh...welling up again... Kirstini From jdr0918 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 21 14:26:29 2003 From: jdr0918 at hotmail.com (jdr0918) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:26:29 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kirst_inn" wrote: Mmmmm, morning folks. Have now had five hours of sleep and wiped all the mascara off my face, chest, arms, and armchair. I really wasn't even aware I used so much. I need discussion. No-one else I know has finished it yet. Hopefully, this pointless yabbering should have filled up the space where this message pops up on the homepage, as the vertical spoiler signs don't seem to be working.>>> The Sergeant Majorette says: > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > Impressions, spewed out rather randomly in the hope of provoking debate: 1. Did anyone else have an uneasy feeling that they were reading fanfic at some points>>> I had a more charitable interpretation. I was thinking "oh, those fanfic girls really hit it!" --but yeah, teenage Harry is a bit angst- ridden for my taste. > 4. Neville, Ginny and McGonagall (esp. the last two). Bravo. Never really thought I'd say that.>>> Well, JKR did say we'd see more of Neville and Ginny, but honestly, Neville Longbottom and the Philospher's Stone? > 5. - on the other hand - Arabella Figg and Rita Skeeter...? I felt more than a little disappointed. Those were some of the least Bangy scenes I have ever read. Maybe not ever. I think I'm exaggerating a little because of sleep deprivation.>>> I second that motion, sleep dep too. > and finally > 6....I never thought I'd miss you/ half as much/ as I do... WOW. Where did that come from? Although I suppose you can see a certain inevitability about it, re-thinking the book. Ohhh...welling up again...>>> Not so much the person or the manner of death, but Harry's desperate reaction to the loss just choked me up, like GofF's 'Remember Cedric' speech. As to the plot purpose of the death, I think we all got that one, even if we didn't all identify the victim. --JDR From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 15:15:25 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:15:25 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: More teaser-filling waffle: lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalalalalala lalaalalalalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalalalala la la la la la B I G S P O I L E R RIGHT: I've remembered what should have been in my earlier post. That bloomin' prophecy storyline. How is that "a secret weapon"? Just so that Voldemort could actually find out (or not, ta Neville) the contents of the prophecy, ie that Harry is the only one who could kill him? All that dream possession? I wonder if the good ol' sleep dep (nice to hear of someone else as foolish as myself =p)is making all this seem stranger than it should, but I have the feeling I'm missing some essential part of the end-storyline. The Sergeant Majorette wrote: "Not so much the person or the manner of death, but Harry's desperate reaction to the loss just choked me up, like GofF's 'Remember Cedric' speech. As to the plot purpose of the death, I think we all got that one, even if we didn't all identify the victim." Ooh, I dunno. Manner of death I'm also a little confused about (didn't ___ hit ___ with red light? And AK is green - in which case, was it just the fall through the archway that did it?). The person - I really had no idea I cared about ___ as much as I obviously do. Yes, it was mostly Harry's response (four whole chapters of fantastically-sustained grief), but I went back and read various bits again after, and was sobbing away through them too. And I'm really not sure if I'll be able to read the other books in the same light again. Oooh - and Aunt Petunia! *That* one wasn't resolved! Kirstini From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 15:22:15 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:22:15 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? By Di In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just got this as an email from Di - I think she meant to post it on list (bleary, like the rest of us...?Hurrah!), so I've cut and pasted. Di wrote: Good morning from the Atlanta suburbs. And yes, I did finish it and I have to agree w/ Kirstini on some things: S P O I L E R > 3.Lily's eyes? Indeed, more "about Lily"? Not much, was there? As > far as I can tell, there was just And what about the claim that we > would never see a living Lily or James? I thing that particular > excerpt counts... (NB - I'm fascinated by the idea, pushed further > than it was in GoF and CoS, that a recorded memory doesn't just > record the subjective truth of the person in that memory. Harry was > able to break away from Snape's consciousness altogether, almost as > though there is one particular objective standpoint on a set of > events in existence in addition to the individual consciousnesses > which experience them subjectively. Harry wasn't seeing through > Snape's point of view, he was seeing through the eyes of a third > person narrator. I think I need to think those implications through > further...) I too was disappointed by this; I was expecting to hear more about Lily, especially after Petunia knew who the dementors were/are (one of my immediate "WHOA" moments") and THEN got a Howler (another eye opener). I thought the exchange between James and Lily was very interesting - personality wise, Harry sounds more like Lily than like James - not actively tormenting people. In books 6 & 7 do we get to see how loathing turned into love? And I find it hard to believe that there are only two reason (taunting/Lupin's attack) for Snape's hatred of James/Harry. Could it be Lily? Could the popular "unrequited love" theory be true? Also, I thought we would learn more about Snape - his background and why Dumbledor never gives him the DADA job? I was almost thinking that when Harry was looking in Snape's pensive at the OWL testing that it would be reveled that due to James, Snape did poorly on that section of the exam (DADA) and was therefore not elegible to get the teaching post (since OWL/NETWS help determine your job in the wizarding world). I think Luna holds a key that I am not immediately getting - Harry's love interest? Neville's? I think Cho is out of the picture and so is Genny as far as Harry is concerned - although I got the definiate impression that Luna has a thing for Ron. I also wondered that we didn't see more of a Ron/Hermione couple - they know but don't want to act on it? As for her correspondence w/ Victor - something for the future? Does it have to due w/ the line about Quiddich being a devisive stimulant w/in the school? No idea. I will be honest - it was very good - I really liked Neville coming into his own and the DA classes and Dumbledor knocking heads, but I think my favorite part had to due w/ Petunia - and her hidden knowledge of the wizarding world (and her pact w/ Dumbledor). I did think the ending was a bit, well, "Harry is the one who must Kill or be Killed/Neo is the ONE/To bear a ring of power is to be alone" kind of thing (I hope this makes sense). I mean, I think we can see where this goes now - even if he awakes w/o a scar and it is all a dream (a la Dallas), the knowledge that Harry does not have to involve anyone, but do it himself to save the universe will an intereting angle for the remaming two books. Okay, one last word on the Death - that worked for me. I didn't want it happen, but there was A LOT of forshadowing here and it didn't make it hard to do at all. I am just sorry that when all this is filmed this character will not be in all seven films - I would have liked that - the person cast in this role is very good and I will miss not having that talented person in future films. There is a lot more I would like to discuss, but I am really would like to read what others have thought about it. And I am eagerly awaiting 6 & 7 - this whole series just keeps getting better. Thanks - di From jtdogberry at hotmail.com Sat Jun 21 15:06:37 2003 From: jtdogberry at hotmail.com (jtdogberry) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:06:37 -0000 Subject: OOP: Re: Flint take two Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" wrote: > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > A > C > E > > IF YOU CAN SEE A THESTRAL AFTER YOU'VE SEEN DEATH WHY Couldn't Harry see them in years past? Does that mean he didn't actually see his parents die, but just heard them? > A second one (sorry I don't have my copy on hand, my sister has it) is with Mr Rookwood. In GOF his name is Augustus yet in OOTP, it's Algeron, leaving me to draft yet more theories, when the main board is up, on my favourite character. TTFN Dogberry From Ali at zymurgy.org Sat Jun 21 16:19:12 2003 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:19:12 -0000 Subject: Flint in ch 21[ootp] Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" wrote: > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > A > C > E > > IF YOU CAN SEE A THESTRAL AFTER YOU'VE SEEN DEATH WHY Couldn't Harry see them in years past? Does that mean he didn't actually see his parents die, but just heard them? That's how I read it. James was in a different room, and it's possible that Harry didn't see Lily die. It can be rationalised, but it does have the feel of a flint about it. Ali From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 21 16:29:55 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:29:55 -0000 Subject: Flint in ch 21[ootp] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > > > IF YOU CAN SEE A THESTRAL AFTER YOU'VE SEEN DEATH WHY Couldn't > Harry see them in years past? Does that mean he didn't actually > see his parents die, but just heard them? > Ali > That's how I read it. James was in a different room, and it's > possible that Harry didn't see Lily die. It can be rationalised, > but it does have the feel of a flint about it. > I'm not so sure. When Harry saw his parents die, or heard them die, he was eighteen months old. He didn't understand what was happening. So, yes, technically he had seen death, but 'you have seen death' usually has a sort of unspoken subtext of ' and you understood that someone died'. Cedric's death was the first time that Harry 'saw' death in that sense. He saw Cedric die. He understood that Cedric had died. He saw death. So I don't think it counts as a flint ... Pip From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 16:31:03 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:31:03 -0000 Subject: You know what's the worst? Message-ID: Oh geez, guys - this is bad. I was sitting out on my front stoop, waiting for the FedEx guy, doing some mending, wearing my Gryffindor scarf. I glance up for one second and there goes a FedEx truck barrelling the other direction, away from my house. _Away_ from my house. Hopefully, they have more than one truck delivering to my area. I've been checking FedEx tracking for the past 4 hours. But here's the lesson I've learned - if you see a FedEx truck go past, throw yourself in front of it and demand for the Driver to give you your book. Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny, who's still waiting for her book at 12:30 PM on June 21st... From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 17:27:53 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:27:53 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? By Prof Monkshood In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And again: Professor Monkshood wrote: Long post alert. It's now 3:45am in New Zealand so I would tend to babble, without the benefit of babbling beverage. Just finished myself. Although, like everyone, I am still a bit confused about the big death. Could anyone explain that part? S P O I L E R S A H E A D Big Death I was prepared for it because the manner JKR put it in her interview. I've always thought that Hagrid's death would be less tramatizing than this big death and it would be the cruelest thing possible and therefore, is the last thing she would do. I was wrong and there you go, she did it. Theme: Death of father figures I thought JKR has destroyed all the father figures in Harry's life rather throughoutly in this book: Dumbledore turns out to be great but fallible, The Big physical DEATH, and the worst one, James -- the spiritual guide, the perfect idol, the palace of everything Harry wants to be, smashed down completely. JKR has destroyed that image now. Talk about red herrings we've been given from book 1 to 4, I think this has to be the biggest of them all. I kept thinking back of Dumbledore's remark in PS/SS that Snape and James were a bit like Harry and Draco. We now know that this was a complete misdirection. Yes, they were a bit like that but it was James who was like Draco. Not only the public humiliation but that git don't even duel fairly -- unexpected attack, one against two, what sort of fight is that! I think JKR is setting up for Book 6&7, that Harry now has to stand on his own spiritually. He can no longer emulate his father, Sirius or Dumbledore because they all have their own flaws. In many ways, Harry is already a better person than they would ever be. He now has to establish his own identity, to know who he is, which is the most important part of growing up. Revolution of Structure Has anyone noticed that JKR has moved out of murder mystery in Book 1-4? There is no hidden villain (okay, except that awful elf but it wasn't hard to guess) and no big revealation. The tension now comes from the uncertainties and the fight. You get the sense that this is the beginning of an epic showdown. New characters Not many makes much of an impression. 1. Tonks was a total odd character. Don't exactly know what she's doing in the book. The same goes for most of the people in the Order. 2. After all that anticipations, Figg got a total of five lines! 3. Moody (He's new because he wasn't exactly in book 4, was he?) stands out from the crowd. The gruffy sense of humour, the toughness and the paranoia. No wonder he is so respected. 4. Luna Lovegood. I think she likes Ron and the only new female student to make a mark because you could never be sure whether she was agreeing with Harry or being sacrastic. And I want to know whether all the weird things she mentions exist. A slight whinge: there has been no complex, central characters introduced since book 3. Although JKR has enough on her hand as it is, can't we have someone who is more complex, who would last more than one book? Or cut down on the number of newbies? Romance I'm glad Harry's got over Cho. Gosh, what's wrong with her anyway? I kind of like Cho in Book 4 but does she really need to burst into tears every five seconds? None of the predicted big romance happened. The H/Her and the R/Her and the D/G and H/G etc. can start bickering once more. Honestly, I don't expect anything more; sticking with the same pairing for the next two books would be quite boring. The teenage version of Men are from Mars, women are from Venus is wonderful though, especially when Ron kept asking Hermione whether she is going to write a book. I know you Lily/Snape shipper is going to have a grand time. All I can say is: have fun. Dance Flamingo. Bits that I love Fred and George: Civil disobedience ...Which is what Gred&Forge and the entire school has done during Umbridge reign. Passive resistance. Love the Swamp and the subsequent flight, stuff of the legend. The way the teachers act is also very, very funny. I love the line at the end, where Flitwick removed the swamp in three seconds. Tough McGonagal: my favourite female character in the series and did she show them this time! Standing up to four Wizards at once. I gasped when she was hit by the stunning spells. And that line to Peeves, who was destroying the chandelier -- "It unscrewed the other way". Random Snape and Harry thoughts I think this would now be the relationship most explored in the next two books. 1. The Occlumency lessions. I think Snape has come to realise that Harry did not exactly lead a happy life outside Hogwarts. The most moving part (apart from the big death, of course) for me was Snape asking Harry 'To whom did the dog belong?', and he has softened considerably afterwards. 2. JKR wants to keep Harry in Potions class. a. He needs it if he wants to become an Auror b. he doesn't seem to have done too badly in OWLs. 3. Okay, in keeping with his behaviour this year, Harry is going to vent his frustration on Snape, even though there is virtually nothing going on with. From what it looks like, things are going to be interesting next year. 4. Snape obviously knew about the prophecy. It becomes obvious now why he picked out Harry and Neville on their very first lesson. He knew that it has to be these two. Also explains why he is totally filthy with Neville whenever he messes up. 5. But how much does he know about the prophecy? My heart jumped a beat when Dumbledore said that someone eavesdrops on the Trelaway interview and that this person only knows about the first part of the prophecy. I hope it wasn't Snape but there's always a chance. (Please, let it be Wormtail) Speaking of which ... Missing Person(s) Notice Where is Wormtail? Has he been fed to the snakes? Totally disappeared from view. JKR hasn't forgotten him, has she? Where is Karkaroff? Just ran off, did he? So LV is just bragging about killing traitors etc.? Where is Bagman? Is he a DE or what? From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 21 17:51:22 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 21 Jun 2003 17:51:22 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056217882.194.82372.w38@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: How many copies of OoP do you own/plan to own (not including audio versions)? Names will show in this poll, you can change your vote anytime. o None. I'm just going to sit in my local bookstore and read it there. o One o Two o Three o Four o Five o Six o Seven o Eight o Nine o Ten or more. I want one in every room of the house. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=1110396 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From debmclain at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 17:52:44 2003 From: debmclain at yahoo.com (Debbie) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:52:44 -0000 Subject: Took 12 hours to read Message-ID: Hello All! Just finished. Took 12 hours to read. Been up for over 32+ hours. Not sure how long, can't do math right now. My husband is ordering me to bed. Hmmm...so he can start the book? My parents are visiting and going to take a nap now so I can too. How sweet! Read you all soon!! -Debbie From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 21 17:56:49 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 21 Jun 2003 17:56:49 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056218209.93.12242.w75@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: How and where did you obtain your copy or copies of OoP? Vote for one or more, names will not display and you may change your vote anytime. o Midnight release party. o Home delivery (Amazon, etc.) o Waited until the following day(s) and picked it up at the local bookstore. o OoP is out? Awesome! Uh, where can I get one? o I'm on the library wait list. o I just waited until no one was looking and slipped it into my . . . uh, never mind. o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=1110398 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 21 19:22:11 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 21 Jun 2003 19:22:11 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056223331.213.38311.w50@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: How much time would you estimate elapsed between when you obtained your copy of OoP and when you finished reading it to the end? Names will show, you can change your answer anytime, vote for one choice. o 0-6 hours o 6-12 hours o 12-18 hours o 18-24 hours o 24-30 hours o 30-36 hours o 36-48 hours o Two days o Three days o Four days o Five days o A week or more o More than two weeks o Would you hold it down over there? I'm trying to concentrate so I can finish! o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=1110414 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From jdr0918 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 21 20:04:46 2003 From: jdr0918 at hotmail.com (jdr0918) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:04:46 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kirst_inn" wrote; The Sergeant Majorette responds: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > A > > H > > E > > A > > D > <<< Big Death; Theme: Death of father figures I thought JKR has destroyed all the father figures in Harry's life rather throughoutly in this book: Dumbledore turns out to be great but fallible, The Big physical DEATH, and the worst one, James -- the spiritual guide, the perfect idol, the palace of everything Harry wants to be, smashed down completely. JKR has destroyed that image now.>>> I thought it was going to be Molly Weasley because of JKR's loss-of- mother issues, but this was somewhat the same, and James turning out to be such a tool -- that wrecked my nerves completely!! I had always thought that Snape fans were suffering from movie contamination (Alan Rackins is hot, as opposed to the balding old guy of GrandPre's illustrations), but I'm more inclined to like him now, if he would just wash! <<>> And how creepy is it that Molly, Arthur, Mrs. LeStrange, Narcissa Malfoy and Sirius are all related? When you think about it, as pure- bloods they sort of have to be, but... Who are the Weasleys really and why are they the only purebloods who can reproduce more or less at will? <>> I think Luna and offscreen Viktor are clues that there will be no intertrio shipping in canon, which is fine by me. My Ripping Yarn thesis demands that they remain chastely chums. <<<<... cut down on the number of newbies?>>> And do something with Draco. He's getting kind of shrill. Romance Cho's a waste of ink...did JKR maybe have something else in mind, but then decide to cut her losses (and book length) and relegate Cho to the twilight zone of Weasley Cousin World? <<>> Gred and Forge must return! Just when the angst level reached threatcon orange, everything got very, very silly. <<>> Sort of a role reversal, eh? For the same reason that Snape dogged Harry, Harry will terrorize Snape: it's not pleasant to be reminded of your own pain and helplessness. I see a really twisted S/M father- son relationship here -- oh, no! Book VI fever! <<>> Don't know, care less. Canon was getting crowded anyway. I hereby sentence them to an indeterminate term of imprisonment in Weasley Cousin World. --JDR From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 21 20:40:09 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 21 Jun 2003 20:40:09 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056228009.187.2092.w77@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: Did 'Order of the Phoenix' make you cry? Vote for as many options that apply. o I'm not a crying sort of person o No, it wasn't that sad o I cried at the death o I cried at the last lines of Chapter 37 o I didn't cry about the plot, but I did when I realised that I'd just finished a book I'd been waiting for for years To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=1110441 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From susannahlm at yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 21:06:18 2003 From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:06:18 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? Message-ID: S P O I L E R Erm. FLINT? In Chapter 28 -- and a big shout-out to Pip, btw, on her "Harry Has TWO Parents" post; that looks like a good call! -- why is Chaser!James playing with a Snitch in the first place? Derannimer From RSFJenny19 at aol.com Sat Jun 21 21:16:28 2003 From: RSFJenny19 at aol.com (RSFJenny19 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:16:28 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP. Impressions. The speech, death and the Dursleys Message-ID: <3d.31650011.2c26252c@aol.com> SPOILERS ; ; ; ;; ; ; ;; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; As much as I LOVED the book ... I was a little disappointed with Dumbledore's "tell you everything" speech. JKR made this out to be the BIG thing we all don't know, but ... well, did anyone think book 7 would end with Harry on the sidelines? It just always seemed a given to me that Harry would be the one who'd defeat Voldemort at the end of book 7, so knowing that that is his destiny wasn't the mindblowing shock some other things were. Like Siruis dying. OH. MY. GOD. Granted, the writing was on the walls, so to speak, throughout the book, but Sirius was my favorite character. No wonder she cried when she wrote it! I cried for the rest of the book! And as for Petunia, I never gave much credit to the Squib!Petunia theories, but now it sure seems like she's got a bit of a secret she's hiding from Vernon... I think I need to go read the book again... ~Jenny From trisha.masen at verizon.net Sat Jun 21 22:03:40 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:03:40 -0400 Subject: IIRC, we can discuss OotP on this list...right? CONTAINS SPOILERS Message-ID: <005001c33840$fa7f6060$0301000a@Tlaptop> ...because we can't discuss it on the main list as that is shut down until like Monday. I finished it about 30 minutes ago and still haven't "taken it all in" yet. I'm going to need to reread it at least once to grasp everything. How can a 850+ page book still feel like it left off in the middle? Someone else commented on another list that she enjoyed seeing Tough!Harry. I admit, I did as well. Seeing Harry with a backbone through the *entire* book was great. I understand why, but I was amazed that he was so angry for the first part of the book. Umbridge was even worse than described on the flyleaf. There was more than once that I just wanted to smash something in frustration at what she was doing. I do so dearly hope that Harry's Quidditch ban is lifted - for him not to be able to play Quidditch for the next two years will be a tragedy. And we now know that it will come down to Voldemort and Harry, as we suspected. What I don't understand about The Prophecy is why Voldemort felt he had to kill James, but didn't want to touch Lily. The Prophecy stated it would be a child born at the end of July of parents who had thrice gone against Voldemort, then the child that had been marked by him. So why kill James? Just because he was in the way? Because he'd annoyed Voldemort? An unanswered question. And does Harry's heart mean he's more powerful than Voldemort? I like how she's developed the character of Neville further. And that he had the potential to be Voldemort's rival. As for ships...we've run through Harry/Cho. Ron/Hermione wasn't touched. I found it interesting that Cho was exceedingly jealous of Hermione. Does this bode for a Harry/Hermione ship? Was Ginny serious about Dean at the end? And while Harry/Ginny wasn't explored, it wasn't ruled out (though Ginny says she's over Harry). Many times I thought that I had read The Death. First Hagrid, then McGonagall. But for it to be Sirius? I think I'm just still in shock or denial. I didn't realize there was so much to this book until I began writing this. I think I need to read it one more time this weekend. ~~Trisha~~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sat Jun 21 22:54:41 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:54:41 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EF56ED1.27056.7241D9D@localhost> On 21 Jun 2003 at 15:15, kirst_inn wrote: > More teaser-filling waffle: > lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalalalalala > lalaalalalalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalalalala > la > la > la > la > la > B > I > G > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > RIGHT: I've remembered what should have been in my earlier post. > That bloomin' prophecy storyline. How is that "a secret weapon"? Basic security principle. Never refer to what you are protecting accurately. That's my take, anyway. You want to conceal from as many people as possible what you are trying to hide or protect - you call it something different, especially something that sounds realistic and totally different to what you are guarding. Basic fieldcraft. 'Secret Weapon' is a pretty good term for such a thing. > Just so that Voldemort could actually find out (or not, ta Neville) > the contents of the prophecy, ie that Harry is the only one who > could kill him? All that dream possession? I wonder if the good ol' > sleep dep (nice to hear of someone else as foolish as myself =p)is > making all this seem stranger than it should, but I have the feeling > I'm missing some essential part of the end-storyline. I'm wondering if we will hear more - but I'm also wondering if those jars of prophecy may be similar to the idea of 'secret keepers'. Maybe there's something about prophecies that make them hard to tell to other people. Maybe the jar is the only way a prophecy can be easily passed on. Maybe only those involved can pass on a prophecy directly to others. Dumbledore heard it - so he's involved and could tell Harry. Trelawney made it, so she's involved and maybe that's why Dumbledore wants to keep her in the school so much, so she can't pass it on. Voldemort is involved - but doesn't know what it is - and if it has similarities to Secret Keeping, he may not be able to find out easily. Maybe that jar was his *only* chance to find out, short of asking the other people involved - Dumbledore, Trelawney, and now Harry. Although who else was involved? The other people mentioned in the prophecy are Lily and James - maybe this explains why Voldemort was somewhat reluctant to kill Lily - because he wanted to hear the prophecy from her, he needed to keep someone alive to try and find out what he missed. This could possibly even explain the attack on Neville's parents - maybe some of Voldemort's followers were still working on the assumption that they knew they were the ones referred to in the prophecy and tried to torture them for information they did not have. Speculation - but I think the idea that only people involved in the prophecy, as subjects, or as witnesses, or as seers, may be the only people able to pass it on... except possibly using that jar - and even that would require those prophesised about to collect it - I think it's worth considering. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 22:55:25 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:55:25 -0000 Subject: IIRC, we can discuss OotP on this list...right? CONTAINS SPOILERS In-Reply-To: <005001c33840$fa7f6060$0301000a@Tlaptop> Message-ID: Trisha Masen wrote: And while Harry/Ginny wasn't explored, it wasn't ruled out (though Ginny says she's over Harry). Kirstini: I have never, *never* been a G/H shipper. Until this morning. I think the way Ginny has grown up in this book makes it pretty much definite, and I like it! Look at her, all confidence, forty different boyfriends, hexing Draco. Yeah, she's got over the childhood crush, and now I think he's going to fall for her. Yes. I like her a lot. I think this book has been great for female characters - Ginny is now as feisty as Hermione, and Tonks is a very nice addition- tying in rather nicely with what someone else said about the necessary killing off/recession of the father figures. On that note, I'm off to reindulge my tear ducts. From litalex at slashyalex.com Sat Jun 21 23:03:40 2003 From: litalex at slashyalex.com (Alex) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:03:40 -0000 Subject: test Message-ID: sorry From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sat Jun 21 23:05:26 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:05:26 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3EF57156.11926.72DF49C@localhost> On 21 Jun 2003 at 21:06, derannimer wrote: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > > > Erm. FLINT? > > In Chapter 28 -- and a big shout-out to Pip, btw, on her "Harry Has TWO Parents" > post; that looks like a good call! -- why is Chaser!James playing with a Snitch in the > first place? I think there may be more to that snitch than meets the eye - just a feeling I have that it is somehow significant. If it wasn't pouring with rain, I would go an consult my book - but doesn't Sirius or Lupin ask Harry specifically if James had the snitch? Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From triner918 at aol.com Sat Jun 21 23:06:55 2003 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:06:55 -0000 Subject: OoP: Finished in 12 hrs! Message-ID: The following apparant ramble from nowhere A) has a point & B) serves as spoiler space My fave episode of "Friends" is the one where Joey and Rachel read each others favorite books, a deal struck after Rachel finds a copy of Joey's much re-read copy of "The Shining" in the freezer when she comes over to borrow some ice. He tells her it's there because he got scared reading the night before. When she makes some snarky comment about re-reading a book, he asks if she's ever done so, she says "maybe Little Women" and they then switch books. Later, after Joey accidently ruins the ending of "The Shining" for Rachel, a Spoilage Skirmish erupts and Ross, noticing Joey's deep distress at the ulitimate LW spoiler (Beth dies!), asks Rachel if she really wants to ruin the first book Joey has liked that wasn't The Shining. Rachel then recants. But at the end, Joey comes over to the girls' place upset over Beth being ill and Jo not being able to do much. Rachel hugs him and asks, "Honey, do you want to put the book in the freezer?" A feeling I had many times during my massive read this morning, although I didn't actually do it. 1) Oh, Percy. I have always loved him despite (or perhaps because of) his pompousness. I agonized over his split with the family and can only hope that now that Fudge finally got his head out of his bum, Percy will reconcile with them 2) The Death. I got the feeling that it was not the AK curse that was used, but that he died only because he fell through the curtain, which is in itself, Death. I had an AHA! LMM moment then. In "Emily of New Moon" by LM Montgomery (my other fave author) Emily decides to think of death not as a door as her dying father describes it but as as a curtain. "Father was going through the door--no, he ws going to lift a curtain--she liked *that* thought because a curtain wasn't as hard and fast as a door--and he would slip into that world..." I didn't cry at the Death, but afterwards when Harry was so angry. (and the book almost wound up in the freezer) 3) New Characters: Umbridge Oh I Could Kill Her! She was utterly foul! There are no words! Luna: I like her! Weird, yes, but the whole thing with her belongings going missing during the year made me ache for her. I'm sure there are other things, but I need to have a slower reading. Trina, hoping fervently that Percy does not become Evil From terryljames at hotmail.com Sat Jun 21 23:09:37 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:09:37 -0500 Subject: OOP: No spoilers Message-ID: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH! That's really all I have to say.... Maybe will resume normal posting after a while.... AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH! Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sat Jun 21 23:10:07 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:10:07 +1000 Subject: Chat? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3EF5726F.32162.7323E19@localhost> On 20 Jun 2003 at 10:21, bluesqueak wrote: > You may find that there is no one in these chatrooms when you join. > If this happens, we suggest that you post on > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ and invite people to > join you in chat.. People (including your friendly moderators) will > be dropping in from time to time I've just dropped into the HP:1 chat room, and hope to be there for a while if anyone wants to chat about OoP - I've finished it over twelve hours ago now, and just started a second read through. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From Chasewildstar at attbi.com Sat Jun 21 22:20:40 2003 From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:20:40 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Took 12 hours to read References: Message-ID: <004101c33843$59216170$9c01f50c@mac> got ya beat.. did mine in 7, but did it in 2 shifts. took a nap inbetween. Oh, I gotta listen to the audo CD's now.. And if I get enough people interested in meeting on paltalk, for an hour each night, I will PLAY one CD each night.. all 23 of them as I cannot "lock the mic" on yahoo.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Took 12 hours to read > Hello All! > > Just finished. Took 12 hours to read. Been up for over 32+ hours. Not > sure how long, can't do math right now. > > My husband is ordering me to bed. Hmmm...so he can start the book? My > parents are visiting and going to take a nap now so I can too. How > sweet! > > Read you all soon!! > > -Debbie > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Is your message... > An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. > Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. > Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. > None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. > Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 00:01:43 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:01:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP. The speech & the big death Message-ID: >From: RSFJenny19 at aol.com >Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP. Impressions. The speech, death and >the Dursleys >Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:16:28 EDT > >SPOILERS >; >; >; >;; >; >; >;; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >As much as I LOVED the book ... I was a little disappointed with >Dumbledore's >"tell you everything" speech. JKR made this out to be the BIG thing >we all don't know, but ... well, did anyone think book 7 would end with >Harry >on the sidelines? It just always seemed a given to me that Harry would be >the >one who'd defeat Voldemort at the end of book 7, so knowing that that is >his >destiny wasn't the mindblowing shock some other things were. This may have been the big thing that we all knew, but really, Harry couldn't have been expected to realize at 15 that only he can ultimately destroy V. He spent a lot of time telling HR that he wasn't that good at DA, he had a lot of help, he couldn't have done it on his own...It never dawned on him that he wouldn't be either still at school getting the Daily Prophet news that DD had killed V, or at the very most helping catch Dark Wizards as an Auror. The whole "me or him" thing has to be news to Harry. No, what this speech failed to deliver, in my mind, is even more crushing guilt (already dealt out liberally, thanks JKR!). Nowhere did it dawn on Harry that his parents were killed because of HIM. We know he's important--after all, the series is named after him--but all this time he's thought that they were killed because they were opposing V., and V. just tried to kill him too because he was there. Now he knows that they only died so V. could get to HIM. When will this dawn on him? I realize he was occupied with other problems at the time, but eventually it's going to creep into his consciousness. >Like Siruis dying. > >OH. MY. GOD. > >Granted, the writing was on the walls, so to speak, throughout the book, >but >Sirius was my favorite character. No wonder she cried when she >wrote >it! I cried for the rest of the book! > HOW COULD SHE DO IT? HOW? OK, sorry for yelling. HOW? When this is all over, Harry needs a safe place to go to, someone he can depend on to go home to, because I think we all agree DD will snuff it before the end. WHERE WILL HE GO NOW? WHO WILL HE GO TO? AAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! (breathe....breathe...deeply.....there we go....) I am so mad, I could chew iron and spit nails. The only thing keeping me even remotely hopeful is that we don't have a body. Babylon 5 rule of death--If you don't have a body, you can't guarantee the person's dead. Maybe...somehow...but I won't even say it, for fear of ruining it. And as for the few moments when I thought that Harry might be able to communicate with Sirius through the mirror, on the other side of the veil...I mean, they have to be able to talk over there, Harry heard them...I don't even have vocabulary for what I felt when Harry broke the mirror in anger. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From susannahlm at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 00:13:34 2003 From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:13:34 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: Snape Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E Ooh, boy. Well, one thing I have to say is interesting -- oh, and I didn't get my prediction right, btw ; ) -- but one thing I have to say is interesting here is how much we *don't* find out about Snape. We're still not entirely sure what his spying constitutes, we don't know entirely why he joined the DE's, we haven't a clue why he left the DE's, and we *really* haven't a clue why Dumbledore trusts him. Oh, yeah, and Harry's decided to hate him forever. Derannimer From glcherry at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 22 00:19:00 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:19:00 -0000 Subject: OoP:Death (Major Spoiler) Message-ID: okay, just to be on the safe side ... S P O I L E R * * * * * * * * * * Okay, now that that's is done. Am I the only person really, really, REALLY ticked off at this? Why? It didn't really serve the storyline that much, other than to make Harry mad as heck / hell ? (Mods is hell allowed?)and a Hero who has nothing (i.e. no one personally who means the world to them) to fight for sometimes *doesn't* respond well to the "It is your destiny" lines. Why can't Sirius come back? He wasn't killed, he was stunned! Wouldn't one think that a "live" person going through the veil who didn't want to *really* go would be expelled? I'm probably not making alot of sense, haven't been to bed yet (don't ask why you wouldn't believe me if I told you :) ) And where is Wormtail? This is bothering me, I do want to know where the little rat is, and if the next *big* death is going to be Remus (cause now he, Moody, and Weasely have stood up to Vernon). I expected a little more emotional showing over Sirius' death from Remus at least (and I know this is Harry's story, but would at least one paragraph of "and somewhere off in the Forbidden Forest...Remus Lupin wept for the friend he would never see again?") And why...WHY am I hoping that somehow Wormtail traded places with Sirius and it was PolyjuiceWormtail who went through the veil not Sirius. I had always hoped that Dumbledore's words from PoA U.S. copy page 426: "This is magic at its deepest, its most impenetrable, Harry. But trust me...the time may come when you will be very glad you saved Pettigrew's life." I was always so afraid it would be Sirius (even if I did pick Remus in the poll), and that at the last minute, Peter would remember the Marauder's for the "family" they had been to him, and save Sirius for Harry. Now, I'm heart-broken, and to be honest don't want to read Oop again, much less the last two books in the series. Am I the only one who feels this way? To me this is worse than I felt when ROTJ came out in '83. Okay, I'll stop babbling now, just so disappointed in the way this book turned out. Lorrie From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 00:19:23 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:19:23 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP. Impressions. Spoilers. Anyone? Fanfic & SHIPs Message-ID: >From: "kirst_inn" >S >P >O >I >L >E >R >Impressions, spewed out rather randomly in the hope of provoking >debate: >1. Did anyone else have an uneasy feeling that they were reading >fanfic at some points - especially at bits concerning Luna Lovegood >and other newly-mentioned students, and in some of the early >(Arabella, Sirius) dialogue? I know this sounds a bit blasphemous. I >don't mean it to. I'm trying to rationalise it away as my mind >adjusting to new canon after so long; particularly when the new >canon is so radically different from the old? Is this a >narrative/stylistic thing tied in with New, Improved, StroppyHarry? >Did anyone else get this feeling? I have read very little fanfic--in fact, only Draco Dormiens and Draco Veritas, and that only in the last two weeks, when I got desperate for Potter stuff. (Side note--they were totally uncanonical, people were acting out of character all over the place, and all the ships were ones I don't sail in, but they were very well-written and I loved them both. Can anybody recommend any other well-done fanfic? Off-list, please.) But I have read stuff about Mary Sues, and although Luna didn't fit most of the qualifications, for some reason she felt like one. Can an author put a Mary Sue into her own, original, universe? There has to be more about Luna coming later. For a totally new character to play such a large role....and she was pretty intriguing. I want to know why she reads newspapers upside down. please please please not a Harry love interest! > >2. Whoo hoo! New female characters! They took up quite a lot of the >plot! They were all rather active within the narrative! Even if half >of them were psychotically twisted! Did anybody else want to go and learn the Cruciatus Curse and risk Azkaban for using it on "the first truly evil female character", or was that just me? >3.Lily's eyes? Indeed, more "about Lily"? Not much, was there? I feel really cheated there. And also, what about the wizarding substitute for the internet? Although those paper airplane memos were pretty neat. Obviously the MoM doesn't have an e-mail equivalent. > >4. Neville, Ginny and McGonagall (esp. the last two). Bravo. Never >really thought I'd say that. Hurray Neville! Go Neville, it's your birthday...Has N.s birthday been mentioned in canon before? That whole thing is just very odd. Anybody else think it may come up again, that it might have been either of them? Neville played a larger role in this book than previously--I see that trend continuing, and more Neville revelations coming out. And Ginny--I've always been against a Harry/Ginny ship, because she was so giggly and silly, or else too quiet, around Harry. I mean, that singing card. Really. But she is turning out quite the character. Growing up with all those brothers made her more independent than you'd have suspected earlier. Yeah, I could go with Harry/Ginny now. But I think JKR was throwing out hints of Harry/Hermione too. And definitely hints that Ron was worried about Harry and Hermione developing a relationship....My, my, the red herrings swim again... >5. - on the other hand - Arabella Figg and Rita Skeeter...? I felt >more than a little disappointed. Those were some of the least Bangy >scenes I have ever read. Please, what is Bangy? I thought "banging" was British slang for...er...rude things. Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 00:33:34 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:33:34 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OoP:Death (Major Spoiler) Message-ID: >From: "stardancerofas" >> >okay, just to be on the safe side ... >S >P >O >I >L >E >R >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* > >Okay, now that that's is done. Am I the only person really, really, >REALLY ticked off at this? No. See my previous posts. I am totally, thoroughly, PO'd. Anybody else. I mean, literally, anybody else. It could have been Dumbledore, it could have been Lupin (although I'd have missed him like crazy too), it could even have been Hermione or Ron. But not Sirius. I expected >a little more emotional showing over Sirius' death from Remus at least >(and I know this is Harry's story, but would at least one paragraph of >"and somewhere off in the Forbidden Forest...Remus Lupin wept for the >friend he would never see again?") And Hermione and Ron, too. Harry's emotional reactions were perfect, but what about everybody else? Now, I'm heart-broken, and to be honest >don't want to read Oop again, much less the last two books in the series. >Am I the only one who feels this way? No...I think it'll be a while before I can face it again, too. My favorite book is PoA, because it not only starts revealing some backstory and pulling the whole plotline together, but because it brings in Remus and then Sirius--characters who had ties to Harry's past, who knew his parents, and in the case of Sirius, can ultimately become a parent-figure to Harry. It is comforting to think that Harry has someone to care about him. His relief when he realizes, in GoF, that he can write to Sirius that his scar is hurting him.... Now, I can't read PoA and GoF and get that same feeling anymore. Plus, I kept remembering the end of GoF, when Harry is in Dumbledore's office, and he's just gone through so much mess, and then he has to relive it all for Dumbledore. And Sirius is just standing there silently, but with his hand gripping Harry's shoulder, so that Harry knows he's there. And now, at the end of OOP, when Harry is in Dumbledore's office yet again, remembering all of what happened at the MoM, and what happened to Sirius...there's no one there this time. And even though Harry's 15 now , and the book ends with many wizards lined up protecting him, supporting him, and Ron and Hermione are still alive....I read that scene in Dumbledore's office, and I think that never has Harry been so alone. Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 00:42:34 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:42:34 -0500 Subject: OOP Mild spoiler--U.S. Version and Ron's prophecy Message-ID: I just got back on the lists a few weeks ago after many months of enforced absence, so forgive me if this has been discussed, but did they decide not to change anything between the US and the UK versions of the text this time? I'm in the US, and there were several unfamiliar expressions this time. I can decipher the meaning easily from context clues, but anyone can feel free to send me specific translations off-list of things like "taking the mickey" and "chuntering" and "doing a nut" and "wrong-footing" and what exactly a "toerag" is. "Joined-up writing" and Harry wearing "trainers" is unfamiliar to me from previous books, and Ron "fancying a walk" reads kinda sissy over here. Professor Grubbly-Plank says "Let's crack on", Harry has a "fringe", and the number one clue my text hasn't been messed with, everyone gets Weasley "jumpers" for Christmas. :) Not that I'm complaining, not at all! I'd much rather the original text. But why? Did they finally decide that we're not totally dumb over here? And in a totally different vein, did anyone catch Ron's prophecy about Arthur Weasley being the next MoM? Whaddaya think, will it happen? Is Ron a Seer? Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsteph1981 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 00:59:44 2003 From: rsteph1981 at yahoo.com (rsteph1981) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:59:44 -0000 Subject: Chamber of Secrets and OOTP - The connection? Message-ID: I've just realized that even though I've finished OOTP, I don't know what the connection is between it and COS. Yes, Ginny's posession was mentioned, and yes, Lockhart was seen again. But what's the big connection? Anybody know? From RSFJenny19 at aol.com Sun Jun 22 01:17:09 2003 From: RSFJenny19 at aol.com (RSFJenny19 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:17:09 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs Message-ID: <10.31ffda17.2c265d95@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2003 8:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, terryljames at hotmail.com writes: > Yeah, I could go with Harry/Ginny now. But I think JKR was throwing out > hints of Harry/Hermione too. And definitely hints that Ron was worried > about Harry and Hermione developing a relationship....My, my, the red > herrings swim again... > I watched the Dateline interview JKR did with Katie Couric and she had something to say on the subject. Scroll down if you want to see: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ok, Katie asked JKR if Harry and Hermione would be snogging(kissing) in the book and JKR said something to the effect of "Harry and Hermione? No, Ron and Hermione, maybe." I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a transcript, but her tone was one of surprise over the H|H question, and answered as if she were correcting Katie on which SHIP would eventually sail. ~Jenny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hebrideanblack at earthlink.net Sun Jun 22 01:23:45 2003 From: hebrideanblack at earthlink.net (Wendy St. John) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:23:45 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter CONTAINS OOP SPOILERS In-Reply-To: <1056228009.187.2092.w77@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Regarding the new poll: > > Did 'Order of the Phoenix' make you > cry? Vote for as many options that > apply. > > o I'm not a crying sort of person > o No, it wasn't that sad > o I cried at the death > o I cried at the last lines of Chapter 37 > o I didn't cry about the plot, but I did when I realised that I'd just finished a book I'd been waiting for for years > The existing categories don't cover my experience of the book, so I'd like to suggest an additional category: "I didn't cry at the death or the end, but was moved to tears by things earlier in the book" In my case, specifically, the following things did make me cry: S P O I L E R S P A C E Molly's encounter with the boggart The scene where Harry overhears Moody and the others talking about him when they're visiting Arthur in St. Mungo's (something about them all knowing that there's something odd about that Potter boy). That one REALLY got me - Harry'd already spent most of the book fighting feelings of alienation, and then to overhear them talking about him like that. Broke my heart. Haven't cried about Sirius yet, though. Perhaps it just hasn't sunk in. I expect to miss him A LOT upon subsquent readings of the books. Cheers! Wendy From RSFJenny19 at aol.com Sun Jun 22 01:33:02 2003 From: RSFJenny19 at aol.com (RSFJenny19 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:33:02 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OoP:Death (Major Spoiler) Message-ID: <164.222b6b2e.2c26614e@aol.com> spoiler space In a message dated 6/21/2003 8:20:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, glcherry at bellsouth.net writes: > Okay, now that that's is done. Am I the only person really, really, > REALLY ticked off at this? Why? It didn't really serve the storyline > that much, other than to make Harry mad as heck / hell ? (Mods is hell > allowed?)and a Hero who has nothing (i.e. no one personally who means > the world to them) to fight for sometimes *doesn't* respond well to > the "It is your destiny" lines. > Well, I say this very, very reluctantly, but I do see why she did it. It's the same reason she showed Harry, through Snape, what James was like at 15. Even though Sirius said James grew up after that, it's Harry's realization that his dad was, well, a jerk at times, and far from perfect. And it made Harry realize that even though he still loves his dad, he didn't necessarily want to be just like him anymore. And JKR doesn't want Sirius, another father figure, to be in the way of Harry figuring out who he is either. That said, I'm still devastated by it. Jeez, why couldn't she have killed Hagrid?!! That would've been fine with me. Makes me wonder if he'll grow closer to Lupin now....I kind of hope not, seeing as he's my *second* favorite character I'd hate to see him get killed off too! ~Jenny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tabouli at unite.com.au Sun Jun 22 01:55:54 2003 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:55:54 +1000 Subject: OOP: Spoilers herein, read at own risk Message-ID: <002801c33861$6bea3480$66e81ad3@price> I was going to wait until the main list opened again, but I can't resist: @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ kirst_inn: > I know you Lily/Snape shipper is going to have a grand time. All I can say is: have fun. Dance Flamingo.< I've been heroically refraining so far, but with this encouragement, my resolve crumbled! You should have seen me when I got to that part in Chapter 28 and showed (a) that Snape is, indeed, a Victim Turned Bully with horrid childhood who was (b) bullied by cocky popular boys Sirius and James, and (c) most cheeringly of all, Lily Really Did step in to stop them bullying Snape! She really really did! The instant she appeared I literally leapt into the air and started bouncing about with glee with a very unbecoming chant of "I told you so, I told you so!" Gad, it was like rereading one of my own LOLLIPOPS defence posts from early 2002. I think the time may have come to row back to the high seas... Tabouli (digging her Captain's badge out of a drawer and dusting it off triumphantly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cymru1ca at yahoo.ca Sun Jun 22 01:49:33 2003 From: cymru1ca at yahoo.ca (Erica) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:49:33 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs In-Reply-To: <10.31ffda17.2c265d95@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, RSFJenny19 at a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/2003 8:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > terryljames at h... writes: > > > > Yeah, I could go with Harry/Ginny now. But I think JKR was throwing out > > hints of Harry/Hermione too. And definitely hints that Ron was worried > > about Harry and Hermione developing a relationship....My, my, the red > > herrings swim again... > > > > I watched the Dateline interview JKR did with Katie Couric and she had > something to say on the subject. Scroll down if you want to see: > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ok, Katie asked JKR if Harry and Hermione would be snogging (kissing) in the > book and JKR said something to the effect of "Harry and Hermione? No, Ron and > Hermione, maybe." I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a transcript, but her > tone was one of surprise over the H|H question, and answered as if she were > correcting Katie on which SHIP would eventually sail. > > ~Jenny > > Why? Why would JKR indicate to KC which ship would 'sail' when in the JP vs JKR interview she said she doesn't want to 'spoil the fun' JEREMY PAXMAN: Unlikely pairings? Not Hermione and Draco Malfoy or anything like that? JK ROWLING: I don't really want to say as it will ruin all the fan sites. They have such fun with their theories ... and it is fun, it is fun. Erica From siskiou at earthlink.net Sun Jun 22 02:12:55 2003 From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:12:55 -0700 Subject: OoP: question about careers Message-ID: <173107887535.20030621191255@earthlink.net> Hi, can anyone who has read the book answer a question or two for me? I only got to skim the book last night and missed lots of details in the process. Now the book is in my daughter's hands and I'll have to wait for a more thorough read :} Did JKR say anything about Hermione's and Ron's career choices? Or just about Harry's? And did we find out how the OWLs went for everyone? -- Best regards, Susanne mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/ From cindyfenton at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 02:28:32 2003 From: cindyfenton at hotmail.com (Cindy) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:28:32 -0000 Subject: OoP: question about careers In-Reply-To: <173107887535.20030621191255@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ron and Hermione's career counseling were not covered. Although, Ron said he was interested in being an Auror. The OWL results were not posted. I assume we will find out a week into Harry's summer (Book 6). --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Susanne wrote: > Hi, > > can anyone who has read the book answer a question or two > for me? > > I only got to skim the book last night and missed lots of > details in the process. > > Now the book is in my daughter's hands and I'll have to > wait for a more thorough read :} > > Did JKR say anything about Hermione's and Ron's career > choices? Or just about Harry's? > > And did we find out how the OWLs went for everyone? > > -- > Best regards, > Susanne mailto:siskiou at e... > > Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/ From siskiou at earthlink.net Sun Jun 22 02:31:30 2003 From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:31:30 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OoP: question about careers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33109003456.20030621193130@earthlink.net> Hi, Saturday, June 21, 2003, 7:28:32 PM, cindyfenton at hotmail.com wrote: > Ron and Hermione's career counseling were not covered. Although, > Ron said he was interested in being an Auror. The OWL results were > not posted. I assume we will find out a week into Harry's summer Thanks! I do wish the books were not written from just Harry's POV (mostly), sometimes. It's a bit limiting... -- Best regards, Susanne mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/ From rvotaw at i-55.com Sun Jun 22 02:31:55 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:31:55 -0500 Subject: OOP various comments (MAJOR spoilers) Message-ID: <013501c33866$731a7800$039fcdd1@RVotaw> Before my spoiler space I'll say this much, I read for three and a half hours, slept from 4:30 AM until 9 AM, then read for another 4 1/2 hours. Worth the wait, and a whole lot more. So, as I've finished, anyone who is just dying to know and has specific questions, feel free to email me offlist (rvotaw at i-55.com) and I'll be happy to answer. :) Oh, and for what it's worth, I laughed a lot, and cried a little. Now For The Spoiler Space Okay, that should do. First, I had so many people killed off in my mind as soon as something bad started, it was ridiculous. Looking back, I should've realized as soon as we started finding out all of this about Sirius' past that he was doomed. But I turned a blind eye, not wanting to accept the facts, and there you have it. Me yelling out "Nooooooo!" when he died. Yes, out loud. And my mom sitting there going "Who? Who? Who is it? Dumbledore?" But I didn't cry there. Although much later, after I'd finished reading and was sitting in a wedding shower being completely bored thinking about it all, tears kept threatening. I had a hard time not bursting into tears in the middle of the shower! And what else, let's see, boy, wouldn't I love to get ahold of Snape's pensieve. While I admit we found out a bit more about him, nothing like I was hoping for! At least, not as much as I was hoping for. But we're definitely headed the right way. James was a bit of a surprise. I think there is more than meets the eye there. Didn't JKR say he was chaser? And he is playing with a Snitch? Maybe he changed positions? Started as chaser and moved to seeker? Or something else? It's my thinking that this must have been before the "joke" Sirius played on Snape, sending him off to the Whomping Willow. Maybe James changed after that? Grew up a little? Behaved himself better? Or how else did he get to be head boy? I thought Prefect was a requirement, apparently not. Also, I kind of sort of understand Dumbledore's thinking about the prefect thing. Not putting something else on Harry. However, I think it was kind of stupid to make his best friend(s) both prefects. I'd have given it to one of the other boys (Dean would've been my choice) just because. I must say, I'm very pleased with the prophecy. "Either must die at the hand of the other." Not both. Either. Definition: "The one or the other; Any one of two." So basically does this mean that only Voldemort can kill Harry and only Harry can kill Voldemort? "For neither can live while the other survives." I take that to mean that they will always be interconnected unless one is killed. Right? And finally, poor Neville. Am I the only one who cried when he put the gum wrapper his mum gave him in his pocket? Can I adopt Neville? Richelle (about to start again!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dkewpie at pacbell.net Sun Jun 22 02:36:14 2003 From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:36:14 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ok, Katie asked JKR if Harry and Hermione would be snogging > (kissing) in the > > book and JKR said something to the effect of "Harry and Hermione? > No, Ron and > > Hermione, maybe." I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a > transcript, but her > > tone was one of surprise over the H|H question, and answered as if > she were > > correcting Katie on which SHIP would eventually sail. > > > Why? > > Why would JKR indicate to KC which ship would 'sail' when in the JP > vs JKR interview she said she doesn't want to 'spoil the fun' > > JEREMY PAXMAN: Unlikely pairings? Not Hermione and Draco Malfoy or > anything like that? > > JK ROWLING: I don't really want to say as it will ruin all the fan > sites. They have such fun with their theories ... and it is fun, it > is fun. > The feeling I get in Dateline was that JKR was slightly irritated by Katie's assuming Harry/Hermione as if this pair was a sure-happening thing. JKR asked Katie back, "why? you think so?" (paraphrasing) and even made a somewhat disgusting face, then said, "NO~" then added "it's Ron and Hermione, that's where the tension are" (paraphrasing). From wedgeaholic at icqmail.com Sun Jun 22 02:47:05 2003 From: wedgeaholic at icqmail.com (cathubodva_raven) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:47:05 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: Snape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" wrote: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > >-- but one thing I have to say is interesting here is how much we >*don't* find out about Snape. We're still not entirely sure what >his spying constitutes, we don't know entirely why he joined the >DE's, we haven't a clue why he left the DE's, and we *really* >haven't a clue why Dumbledore trusts him. Cathubodva: (Hi Derannimer!) This is surely JKR's way of making sure that some Snapefans stay tuned for the rest of the books. I for one would rather have read "Severus Snape and the Order of the Phoenix", but now I guess I'll have to wait. ;-) And at least this way, I can still deny LOLLIPOPS. >Oh, yeah, and Harry's decided to hate him forever. ...Harry frustrates me at times. Sometimes he's not very bright. But this is the first time that I have been *really* disappointed in him. Harry has now seen that James was to Snape what (more or less) Draco is to Harry, and not the other way around. Even if Harry didn't want to walk up to Snape and say: "I feel your pain, why don't we let this be a bonding experience", he should at least have apologised for intruding in Snape's very personal and private memories. In the past, Harry has been *terrified* of being forced to reveal his private thoughts, (feelings for Cho, location of Sirius etc) and when he commits that very act of violation, does not even apologise. Perhaps Harry is like his father in more ways that we have hitherto been led to believe. Cathubodva (not a Harry-hater, just tired of Snape getting the thin end of the wedge) From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 02:51:36 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:51:36 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What made me cry Message-ID: >From: "Wendy St. John" >> >The existing categories don't cover my experience of the book, so >I'd like to suggest an additional category: > >"I didn't cry at the death or the end, but was moved to tears by >things earlier in the book" > >In my case, specifically, the following things did make me cry: > >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E > I'm not a big cry-er, but when Neville's mother gave him the candy wrapper and he put it in his pocket, I had definite tears in my eyes. (And WAY OT: while trying to kill time until midnight last night, I watched Bruce Almighty with some friends. Re crying: I laughed so hard I cried, and then I actually cried.) Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From editor at texas.net Sun Jun 22 02:51:32 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:51:32 -0500 Subject: OoP, first impressions, part 1 Message-ID: <00ee01c33869$310d90c0$e304a6d8@texas.net> I W A N T B O O K S I X T O M O R R O W I just finished, am downloading email, but wanted to post first impressions. Loved how JKR managed to accurately convey the awkwardness of teenage romantic interaction--I have had my body proportions go all awry and not known how to swing my arms while I'm walking, etc., if someone was watching. Am astounded that, in almost 900 pages, JKR has managed to *still* not give me either confirmation or denial of my favorite theory. Blergh. Yet, I have to say, the thought at the front of my mind upon reading Snape's worst memory was, why was that the worst memory? Why, of all the many unpleasant ones he must have, did he pick *that* one to carefully remove each time? Two ideas present themselves: Harry didn't see the end of it, and even worse happened; or it was because Lily was there and not only saw it, got involved. For those of you *not* seven hundred years old, I was spouting Snape loved Lily when Tabouli was still talking to boat-builders, and I look forward to a TBAY where LOLLIPOPS has weathered Hurricane Jo. Am *waiting* for the vampire people to point out that "Snape never eats here" comment as evidence. Although I saw no other shred of anything like it. Am *delighted* to hear Snape is a superb Occlumens, nicely reconciling the people who said Voldemort can detect all lies, and the people who said Snape could fool him, who were *both* right. I would personally like to knock Harry in the head for not apologizing to Snape after that. Seriously. Honestly. I can understand not thanking him, when you're eleven, for not saving your life--but at fifteen, when you've just stuck your head into a memory he removed for the explicit purpose of preventing you seeing it, and discovered he'd possibly had a point in what he'd been telling you and not *only* being nasty, and have been in exactly that position and realize the sort of personal area you're treading on....I *refuse* to condone Harry's total lack of any kind of remorse for this. Okay, that's it, the mail's downloaded. ~Amanda, irritated that the book is too big to hold in the tub ------------------------------ Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft. From editor at texas.net Sun Jun 22 02:52:33 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:52:33 -0500 Subject: OoP, first impressions, take 2 Message-ID: <00f801c33869$55188e20$e304a6d8@texas.net> By the way, Kelley's and my trivia quiz went great and they let us buy books there even though we hadn't reserved them. Charged us the pre-order price. S O M E T H I N G S I F O R G O T First time in my *life* I ever yelled at a book: "Go to SNAPE, you idiot!" to Harry, when he found McGonagall was gone and thought nobody could help him. Yelled at Ron and Hermione, too, who BOTH also knew Snape was in the order and did not contradict him. ARrrrggggh. Draco is an irredeeemable little drip of snot, as I suspected. Percy is too, which I didn't, really, but he'll have to die for someone or an equally noble thing to make up for sending his sweater back and making his mother cry on frickin' Christmas Day. Asshole. ~Amanda, weeding through the mail ----------------------------------- Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft. From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 02:58:22 2003 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:58:22 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: Snape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cathubodva_raven" wrote: > ...Harry frustrates me at times. Sometimes he's not very bright. > But this is the first time that I have been *really* disappointed in > him. Harry has now seen that James was to Snape what (more or less) > Draco is to Harry, and not the other way around. > > Even if Harry didn't want to walk up to Snape and say: "I feel your > pain, why don't we let this be a bonding experience", he should at > least have apologised for intruding in Snape's very personal and > private memories. In the past, Harry has been *terrified* of being > forced to reveal his private thoughts, (feelings for Cho, location of > Sirius etc) and when he commits that very act of violation, does not > even apologise. > > Perhaps Harry is like his father in more ways that we have hitherto > been led to believe. > > Cathubodva > (not a Harry-hater, just tired of Snape getting the thin end of the > wedge) I did not get the impression that Harry liked how James and Sirius treated Snape, on the contrary wasn't Harry saying that his dad maybe was just as arrogant as Snape had been telling him all the time? I think though that I forgive Harry for deciding to hate Severus yet again. I am sure that by the end of the series if they both survive, they will resolve their differences. For now, Harry is too busy blaming Severus for Sirius death and I think that part of the blame lies with him too. Yes, Harry should not have intruded on his memories, but Severus had no right disobeying Dumbledore orders and ending his lessons with Harry, in my opinion. :) Alla From christianrooster at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 02:10:00 2003 From: christianrooster at hotmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:10:00 -0000 Subject: Britishisms in OOP (no spoilers) Message-ID: The British slang is cropping up now and again. I seem to remeber that the previous books (in the US) had been "translated". The latest one: "Trainers" for Sneakers. The web site at: http://www.peak.org/~jeremy/dictionary/dictionary/ has been a bit of help from time to time. Mark From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 03:13:01 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:13:01 -0500 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship Message-ID: I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of Sirius). I formally request registration papers and all necessary documentation to launch my own theory craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. SIND (Sirius is NOT Dead!) until someone can come up with a name that fits the acronym DENIAL. This ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius is not dead, just waiting beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and Lupin said he's dead; both of them have made major mistakes before. If allowed to sail, this ship will cruise TBAY proudly, optimistically and determinedly, riding out all storms and holding out hope until the end of Book 7. If, at that time, the ship encounters the iceberg of an unhappy ending, then the captain and any surviving crew or passengers will valiantly climb aboard a floating door, turn it into a Portkey, and (I've forgotten the correct term!) "teleport" to an alternate HP universe where SIND. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Terry LJ (now rambling, possibly hallucinating) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 03:15:28 2003 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:15:28 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could I join your ship? Pretty, please? :) Alla From ara_davies at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 03:16:54 2003 From: ara_davies at yahoo.com (Heather) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:16:54 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Terry James" wrote: > > I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of Sirius). I formally request > registration papers and all necessary documentation to launch my own theory > craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. SIND (Sirius is NOT Dead!) > until someone can come up with a name that fits the acronym DENIAL. How about, "Darnit, Everyone kNows I Always Live!" Except that's really awful. I'm glad I'm not the only person insisting that HE'S NOT DEAD. No body, no deady. Plus I really wonder how Remus accepts Sirius's death so easily. "Yup Harry, he's dead!" And we know he's not a ghost. The whole thing is fishy to me. This > ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius is not dead, just waiting > beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and Lupin said he's dead; both > of them have made major mistakes before. Exactly, wasn't Wormtail "dead" for many years? From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 03:31:11 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:31:11 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship Message-ID: >From: "dumbledore11214" > >Could I join your ship? Pretty, please? :) >Alla > >From: "Heather" > >How about, "Darnit, Everyone kNows I Always Live!" Except that's >really awful. I'm glad I'm not the only person insisting that HE'S >NOT DEAD. No body, no deady. Plus I really wonder how Remus accepts >Sirius's death so easily. "Yup Harry, he's dead!" And we know he's >not a ghost. The whole thing is fishy to me. Alla, Heather, welcome aboard! BYOB (Bring Your Own Butterbeer) and don't let the Muggles (even the awesome JKR is just a Muggle, always remember that) get you down. Heather, you have voiced my favorite defence, which I call the Babylon 5 Rule; "no body, no deady". That will be our ship motto, to be embroidered on all ship linens and towels. Terry LJ P.S. Re previous posts of crying: I didn't cry, but I definitely stopped for a moment of reflection when I realized that when V was possessing Harry, and Harry was in such pain he wanted to die, it wasn't his parents he thought of. His thought was, I can see Sirius again. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ara_davies at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 03:44:40 2003 From: ara_davies at yahoo.com (Heather) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:44:40 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Alla, Heather, welcome aboard! BYOB (Bring Your Own Butterbeer) and don't > let the Muggles (even the awesome JKR is just a Muggle, always remember > that) get you down. Heather, you have voiced my favorite defence, which I > call the Babylon 5 Rule; "no body, no deady". That will be our ship motto, > to be embroidered on all ship linens and towels. > > Terry LJ Just so long as that horrible Kreacher isn't the ship's steward...what a twisted little beast. I don't care if Sirius did treat him badly; Winky didn't turn out that way! From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 03:47:52 2003 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:47:52 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Heather" wrote: > > Just so long as that horrible Kreacher isn't the ship's > steward...what a twisted little beast. I don't care if Sirius did > treat him badly; Winky didn't turn out that way! Absolutely, hated him and it is not like Sirius treated him badly without any jusitfication for it. Alla From nethilia at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 04:06:05 2003 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OoP: My review (SPOILERS!) In-Reply-To: <1056250552.1285.45744.m11@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030622040605.99719.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> I H O P E Y O U H A V E F I N I S H E D O R Y O U ' L L B E S O R R Y First of all, I'm not giving a plot summary. If you clicked the cut, you have finished the book or want to be spoiled off you ass anyways. This is more a character commentary, with a little plot to help. Ah, so Figg is a Squib. Explains a lot. Mundungus is a disurbing little crook, hmm? Gods almighty, I think Tonks is one of my new favorite characters. A Metamorphagus? That's cooler than an Animagus. Almost. I hope JKR does more with her. The fanfic writers are gonna love adding that to the repetoire. I also love the real Moody. He's kinda cuddly, in that polar bear way. And Lupin, back and better than ever. I also like Luna Lovegood. She seems sweet, in that messed up kind of way. Molly, love? You're a sweetie and all--but Harry's not your kid, honey. He's not. You can't protect him from everything. Black, brother to a Death Eater? Family of wizards who supported Voldemort? Who'd have thunk it? And a cousin of Narsiscia--well, like he said, wanting your kids to be purebloods leads to ickky inbreeding and crap. Kreacher was disturbing... Fudge was an a**hole. Plain and simple. Messing with Harry to save his own a**... And Percy...dear god, I hate to see what happens when someone takes the air out of him. Speaking of Harry, that boy's got a temper and a hero complex. I love him, but he's got both, no denying this. He didn't need to get so p*ssed off at everyone, he didn't need to sulk around, and he didn't need to shoot his mouth off so much. And he didn't need to throw it in the face of everyone that he fought Voldemort. But then again, he is only 15... I DESPISE UMBRIDGE. SHe was a pompous, overbearing, sadistic, prejudiced fucking b**h, who overregulated to cover the Ministry's a** and f**ed with Harry because she could, and while I don't think she deserved everything she got--No, wait, she f**ed with McGonnagal and Hagrid and had Dumbledore put out cause she had a stick in her a**. I do. Anyways, I think she set herself up for a fall on her toady a** that shook a continent. I thought there could be no worst teacher than Lockhart, but I have been proved wrong. James and Sirius were pricks in school. They picked on Snape just cause he was there. That's absolutely horrible. The way Lily defended Snape also sets up a lot of stuff that can fall either way. Heh, what do you know, Harry went to three different places he'd only heard about. The Ministry, St. Mungo's, and the Room of Requirement. Very spiffy. I like St. Mungo's best. Speaking of which...Poor Neville. His parents...to look so vacant. Why is it that when Cho finally gets a personality, it's a stupid one? Geez, if she started bawling about Cedric or acting like a b**h once more I was going to take a foot to her. Don't expect me to ever incorporate that into my fics. Goddess... Fred and George, leaving with a flourish and a style that can only be descibed by HOT D*MN! And I'm glad they're suceeding with their joke shop. Ron and Hermione, Prefects? Rock! Well, at least Dumbledore explained why he didn't make Harry one..and he was d*mn right. JKR gave so many false deaths, yanking my chain like that...but when she tuged it for real, she tugged it so hard I started crying and woke my boyfriend up. Speaking of which...holy dragon breath, that was horrible! My gods, of all the people who could have bit it...Sirius. Sirius died because Harry had to play the hero and not check the facts first. Everyone's favorite doggy has bought the farm, and it sucked so hard that I had to set the book to the side and have Brent hug me. But I hate to say it--Sirius's death may be the thing to force Harry to grow up. He's been playing at this for too long without realizing it. What a battle. As a person who doesn't recap fights, I won't recap. Too many little details. I'm just glad Dumbledore slapped that smug attitude right out of Fudge's mouth. Dumbledore really let the Kneasels out of the bag. But he's right. He should have told Harry when he got to Hogwarts what was going on. Security in exchange for safety? Bad, bad idea. Well, at least we know why the hell he's got to go back to the Dursleys...because Petunia, his mother's blood, keeps him protected. So the collective ideas were right, that the First Prophecy was about Harry and Voldemort. Though, if things had gone another way, we'd all be reading Neville Longbottom and the Order of the Phoenix...to think everything hung on the fact that Voldemort went after Harry. (I smell an AU fic someone's thinking of.) Well, this one didn't leave me on quite the cliffhanger as GoF. But it's still one. And so, the Second War begins. --Neth ===== http://www.spenecial.com Spenecial*com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. "When I see a burning cross, the first thought in my head is most likely not, 'I could really go for a cold refreshing beverage right now!' " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From tabouli at unite.com.au Sun Jun 22 04:07:55 2003 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (f-price) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:07:55 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (Briefly donning my ADMIN hat: With a spoiler this major, could we all please remember to put in some spoiler space so that people can't read it the minute they arrive at the OTC home page? Thanks!) # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # Well, if I'm returning to the high seas, I'd better be dusting off that TAGS (Tabouli's Acrobym Generation Service) machine, hadn't I? Heh heh. DENIAL, eh? Hmmm. How about SAD DENIAL? (Sirius' Alleged Death Didn't End Neatly: It's A Lie!) Tabouli (still hopping gleefully to and fro singing the Good Ship LOLLIPOPS filk) From glcherry at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 22 04:49:57 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:49:57 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Terry James" wrote: > > I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of Sirius). I formally request > registration papers and all necessary documentation to launch my own theory > craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. SIND (Sirius is NOT Dead!) > until someone can come up with a name that fits the acronym DENIAL. This > ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius is not dead, just waiting > beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and Lupin said he's dead; both > of them have made major mistakes before. > > If allowed to sail, this ship will cruise TBAY proudly, optimistically and > determinedly, riding out all storms and holding out hope until the end of > Book 7. If, at that time, the ship encounters the iceberg of an unhappy > ending, then the captain and any surviving crew or passengers will valiantly > climb aboard a floating door, turn it into a Portkey, and (I've forgotten > the correct term!) "teleport" to an alternate HP universe where SIND. > Denial is not just a river in Egypt. > > Terry LJ (now rambling, possibly hallucinating) > YES! YES! YES! I want on this ship (brings champagne!) I have loads of sailing experience (I lived in Louisiana for 22 years, and the old saying "when it rains we flood" was my first schooling there! Sign me up skipper Lorrie > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From trinity61us at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 04:52:28 2003 From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I've just finished it...NO SPOILERS, promise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030622045228.57477.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> There is VERY much a spoiler here!!! Do not go any further, like I unfortunantly did, if you don't want a big one!!!! Alex Fox ardancerofas wrote: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kirst_inn" wrote: > Ohhhhhh. I'm shaking. I have mascara all over my face. > I'm desperate to talk about it with somebody...anyone in the same > position? > Kirstini YES! me too! Oh my god I can't believe what she did! How could she kill....Well I won't say, but you know. I'm just devastated. I think I hate her now! How could she? How COULD she? Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From carmenharms at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 04:55:36 2003 From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:55:36 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "Terry James" wrote: > > I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of Sirius). I formally request > registration papers and all necessary documentation to launch my own theory > craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. SIND (Sirius is NOT Dead!) > until someone can come up with a name that fits the acronym DENIAL. This > ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius is not dead, just waiting > beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and Lupin said he's dead; both > of them have made major mistakes before. > If allowed to sail, this ship will cruise TBAY proudly, optimistically and > determinedly, riding out all storms and holding out hope until the end of > Book 7. Ahoy, matey! May I join your ship too? I can just perch in the crow's nest, if that's okay, where I can keep an eye out for SAND (Sirius, Actually Not Dead). --snazzzybird, the queen of denial From mochajava13 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 05:01:27 2003 From: mochajava13 at yahoo.com (mochajava13) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:01:27 -0000 Subject: OoP: My review (SPOILERS!) In-Reply-To: <20030622040605.99719.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I > > H > O > P > E > > Y > O > U > > H > A > V > E > > F > I > N > I > S > H > E > D > > O > R > > Y > O > U > ' > L > L > > B > E > > S > O > R > R > Y > > Ah, so Figg is a Squib. Explains a lot. Mundungus is a > disurbing little crook, hmm? > > Gods almighty, I think Tonks is one of my new favorite > characters. A Metamorphagus? That's cooler than an > Animagus. Almost. I hope JKR does more with her. The > fanfic writers are gonna love adding that to the > repetoire. I also love the real Moody. He's kinda > cuddly, in that polar bear way. And Lupin, back and > better than ever. I also like Luna Lovegood. She seems > sweet, in that messed up kind of way. I loved all of the new characters in the OoP! Tonks is definitely a new favorite of mine, too. And Luna. She had such a major role in this book; I wonder what her role in the other books are going to be? > Black, brother to a Death Eater? Family of wizards who > supported Voldemort? Who'd have thunk it? And a cousin > of Narsiscia--well, like he said, wanting your kids to > be purebloods leads to ickky inbreeding and crap. > Kreacher was disturbing... Everthing about Siruis in this book tied up so many questions I had about him. No wonder the good guys all thought Sirius was a traitor! With a family like that, how in the world didn't he turn out like Lucius? And will Ron find out that he's distantly related to Draco? Very interesting... > Fudge was an a**hole. Plain and simple. Messing with > Harry to save his own a**... And Percy...dear god, I > hate to see what happens when someone takes the air > out of him. I really expected this of his character. At the end of the last book, he was in such a state of denial. And I think Percy has the makings of a death eater. He wants power, he's willing to toss his family aside for it just like Ron said he would. The OoP is getting new members - Tonk, the Weasleys - someone has to become a death eater. > Speaking of Harry, that boy's got a temper and a hero > complex. I love him, but he's got both, no denying > this. He didn't need to get so p*ssed off at everyone, > he didn't need to sulk around, and he didn't need to > shoot his mouth off so much. And he didn't need to > throw it in the face of everyone that he fought > Voldemort. But then again, he is only 15... OK, I think Harry had a right to get so pissed off at everyone and to sulk so much. I think it fit in perfectly with the ending of GoF. He'd just been forced to watch a friend murdered, been tortured for fun, and nearly killed. I don't think anyone would be happy after that. Plus, no one is telling him a thing and are treating him like a young child. Come on, a man who's wanted him dead all his life is gaining strength, he's probably expecting an attack at any moment. I think this book did a very good job showing that even though the adults had Harry's best interests at heart, leaving him out of the loop had fatal results. > > I DESPISE UMBRIDGE. SHe was a pompous, overbearing, > sadistic, prejudiced fucking b**h, who overregulated > to cover the Ministry's a** and f**ed with Harry > because she could, and while I don't think she > deserved everything she got--No, wait, she f**ed with > McGonnagal and Hagrid and had Dumbledore put out cause > she had a stick in her a**. I do. Anyways, I think she > set herself up for a fall on her toady a** that shook > a continent. I thought there could be no worst teacher > than Lockhart, but I have been proved wrong. Completely agree! She was evil, evil, evil. She was definitely one of the people who agreed with Crouch's way of fighting Voldemort 15 years ago. If she's not a death eater, what does that say about most wizards? She's goet the second highest job in the wizarding community, and she has such a low opinion of "half-breeds" and such. Wow. I was stunned, and it left me thinking that people like the Weasley's are very rare in the wizarding world. > James and Sirius were pricks in school. They picked on > Snape just cause he was there. That's absolutely > horrible. The way Lily defended Snape also sets up a > lot of stuff that can fall either way. They did seem like jerks, but we don't know the whole story. I can't help remembering the third book. Snape had told Dumbledore something like "remember that Sirius tried to kill me?" Dumbledore's attitude (his short response and such) makes me think there's more to that story than meets the eye. Where were Snapes' Slytherin friends? We know he hung around with a group of people that ended up as death eaters; where were they? And Snapes reaction to Lily's help: calling her a "filthy little mudblood"? She's trying to help, and he insults her. Lily's actions were great. I hope we get to see more memories with her in them. I think Harry's much more like her than James. I wonder if that is the eye connection? The idea that the eyes are the window into a person's soul, and the fact that Harry has his mother's eyes shows that he inherited her personality as well? Hmmm... I really think there's more going on the the James/Snape rivalry. > Why is it that when Cho finally gets a personality, > it's a stupid one? Geez, if she started bawling about > Cedric or acting like a b**h once more I was going to > take a foot to her. Don't expect me to ever > incorporate that into my fics. Goddess... OK, I'm happy that Cho's personality isn't the best. I think Harry finally saw his crush for what it was: a crush based on her looks alone. Who hasn't had one at the age of 13? I'm glad he finally grew out of it. And I'm glad we got to see Cho crying and asking about Cedric. > Fred and George, leaving with a flourish and a style > that can only be descibed by HOT D*MN! And I'm glad > they're suceeding with their joke shop. Oh, yeah. Priceless. Too bad they didn't make even more mayhem! The fireworks were great. The swamp and their exit from school were great. But I wish we could have seen more of it! I love that Peeves gave them a salute as they left. How great was that. > Ron and Hermione, Prefects? Rock! Well, at least > Dumbledore explained why he didn't make Harry one..and > he was d*mn right. Hmm, I thought it a little bit of a stretch that Ron was made a prefect and not another Griffindor boy. Dumbledore was right for not making Harry one. And most of the students thought he was unhinged for more than half the year, how effective could he have been? > Speaking of which...holy dragon breath, that was > horrible! My gods, of all the people who could have > bit it...Sirius. Sirius died because Harry had to play > the hero and not check the facts first. Everyone's > favorite doggy has bought the farm, and it sucked so > hard that I had to set the book to the side and have > Brent hug me. But I hate to say it--Sirius's death may > be the thing to force Harry to grow up. He's been > playing at this for too long without realizing it. After Harry looked at the picture of the old OoP, I had a feeling that either Sirius or Lupin would die in this book. It seemed like half of the people in the original group are dead or insane. And Sirius got more and more reckless as the book went on. After I finished the book, I slapped myself in the head for not thinking of Siruis before I got OoP! He makes the trio call him Snuffles. A little bit close to snuffed it? From Schlobin at aol.com Sun Jun 22 05:03:50 2003 From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:03:50 -0000 Subject: OOP: two favorite scenes, spoilers Message-ID: S P O I L e r s p a c e I loved the book. First, my theory about what the Order of the Phoenix meant was correct, and I so dearly wanted it to be a secret society, because perhaps I could join it or start one myself or something.... Second, disappointed that there wasn't more about Hagrid and Olympe, and their embassy to the giants... Third, glad to see the increase in female characters with depth....Ginny is REALLY coming into her own, yes, the boyfriends, but the Quidditch expertise, the analysis about her own experience with Lord V, courage, skill in spell casting, speaking up for herself, Yay!...My one comment on relationSHIPS...I'd love NOW to see Harry with Ginny..I suspect though that the comments about him feeling isolated, may lead to a Harry who is single for a long time. Fourth, loved the NY Times Review, but do NOT agree that there is less humor...Mundungus Fletcher is a bravura character... Fifth, loved all the details about Sirius' family, what the Ministry of Magic looks like, all those juicy details we will all be digesting and thinking about for a while... Sixth, GO NEVILLE GO! I'm REALLY happy to see Neville begin to come into his own, to learn the DADA, to fight, what a great kid he's turning into....the scene in the hospital was very compelling... Seventh, I remember Professor Dumbledore saying in CoS that stronger wizards/witches than Ginny had been fooled by Lord V.....and so it goes that Harry, who is not invulnerable or omnisicient, gets fooled also...JKR's character development is really wonderful.... My favorite scenes....well, my own best beloved character is Albus Dumbledore, and he sure comes into his own in this book. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the scene where he rescues Harry by saying calmly, yes, I am plotting to overthrow you, and yes, I've been recruiting an army... and then politely, well, but I'm not going quietly, I'm a bit of a rebel, myself, and LOVE this kind of stuff..I am SO angry at Percy (btw)a good one minister -- what a slime...I love Molly and Arthur, and LOVE the actor who plays Arthur...perfect casting.... Also, love the way Dumbledore addresses Lord V as Tom...... Second, is the scene where Filch arrives with the whips and Fred and George say "sorry, I don't think so" and fly off to their joke shop. Wonderful! Leaving a swamp.. and isn't McGonagall's defiance delightful? Finally, I surely wish that Sirius had lived to be cleared, to live in peace in a house that was not his mother's, to have Harry with him for holidays and vacations.....but wasn't it C.S.Lewis who said in the Final Battle of the Narnian Chronicles that a noble death was something no one was too poor to purchase..Sirius died fighting evil, and he died trying to save his godson...I hope he is with his best friend James, and that Prongs and Padfoot are roaming the grounds of Hogwarts forever...Susan McGee From risako at nexusanime.com Sun Jun 22 05:20:23 2003 From: risako at nexusanime.com (Melissa McCarthy) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:20:23 -0300 Subject: OotP Thoughts (MAJOR SPOILERS) References: <20030622040605.99719.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801c3387d$fd33be40$4b856395@vaio> This isn't a review so much as a bunch of thoughts that I just had to get out on "paper." There are indeed big huge spoilers lurking below! M A J O R S P O I L E R S ! R U N A W A Y ! That should do it. Now then. Harry used an Unforgivable. That... is going to be a tad bit of a problem, I'm thinking. He's not an Auror yet. I wonder if there's going to be any sort of investigation of that battle. Gosh, I hope not. So, Harry's future. Auror? DADA teacher? Hogwarts headmaster...? I'd kinda like to see Harry as headmaster and Hermione and Ron as professors. That way the Trio could stay together. Assuming they survive book seven. I'm really starting to worry about that. Speaking of which... Snape really does want the DADA job after all. If Dumbledore trusts him so much, why doesn't he give it to him? Have I missed something? I loathe that Umbridge woman even more than Lockhart. At least Lockhart was just a bumbling, self-satisfied fool. That woman was... ucchhh. Thank goodness for Gred and Forge! Thank goodness for them in general, or I wouldn't have gotten through that book. I liked the resolution of the Harry/Cho thing. I think that's exactly as it should be. All my ship ideas have gone out the window now, and I think I'll be happy with whatever happens, just as long as Harry survives. Ginny's grown up. I never thought I'd like her half as much as I do. Percy... well, all I can say is that I hope he's acting on secret orders from Dumbledore to make Fudge trust him so that the Order can have a spy within the Ministry ranks. This works for me. Molly and Arthur would have to stay in the dark or the deception wouldn't work. His letter to Ron even makes sense, because he'd know (or at least suspect) that mail was being watched, and he'd have to keep up his disguise. I have faith in him, oddly enough. Well, more or less. I do wish this issue had been resolved; it'll be a long wait for book 6 with this on my mind! And finally: SIRIUS! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Where do I join the U.S.S DENIAL or whatever it's currently being called? Melissa, wanting the sixth book NOW From arboyko at shaw.ca Sun Jun 22 05:23:11 2003 From: arboyko at shaw.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:23:11 -0600 Subject: Wow References: <1056250552.1285.45744.m11@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <005c01c3387e$6009de00$317f9244@cg.shawcable.net> Wow. I sprinted to the front door of my apartment building to greet the nice mail lady holding my Amazon.ca package at 12:55 pm. With a few breaks for food and to clear my head, I was done at 9:55 pm. S P O I L E R S Before opening the book, I didn't have a clear choice for who might be the one who died. Throughout the book, I narrowed it down to Sirius or Ron. This is the book where not just Neville, but Ron, comes into his own. Ron is made a prefect, elevating himself in the eyes of his mother, who buys him a *brand new* broom. Then Ron joins the Quidditch team, and he and Ginny become the only Weasleys on the team and in Hogwarts. When Fred & George depart Hogwarts (and what a great, fitting departure it was!), Ron assumes the role of the oldest Weasley boy, even as Ginny emerges as the heir to Fred & George's prankster natures. So I thought that as Ron ascends higher and higher, and gains self-confidence, he'd be the one cut down. I'm glad he lived, though. The Umbridge woman was - despicable. Horrible. I wanted to chop her up and feed her to Blast-Ended Skrewts. I know women like her. JKR's many references to the horrid kittens frolicking in her office were hilarious, though. I kept imagining the kitten plates were next to some bland Thomas Kinkade prints. (OT: how pretentious to trademark oneself as "Painter of Light". Like everyone else paints dark?) I'm very sad that dead sexy Sirius is, well, dead. I can't type about it right now. If there's one thing I didn't like, it was all the references to incidents in previous books. We read them all, Jo, you don't have to remind us during the OWL exams that Harry used a charm to knock out a troll. Things like that. Now it's time to read it again! Angela @--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@ "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you will land among the stars," (attributed to Les Brown). AIM: angelamermaid MSN messenger: angelamermaid http://www.livejournal.com/users/angelamermaid/ From tahewitt at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 05:23:19 2003 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:23:19 -0000 Subject: Temporary Goodbye/What I did Friday Night Message-ID: Hi All Only read about 7 chapters of OoP so far, so upon reading the subject lines of the last two digests have decided not to read mail from this list for a bit. I am leaving for England on Monday and was planning on setting my preferences to this list and the HPFGU main list to no mail while I was away, I'll just do it a day earlier than I had planned. For those who haven't read OoP yet, and those who want something else to discuss (yeah, right!) I'll ask: What did you end up doing Friday night? Here's what I did: I went to see the new Hulk movie (go see it, it's much better than I expected, Ang Lee gave it a very unique visual style). The film let out around 11:50pm, so I wandered down the street a few blocks to the big Borders Books on Chicago's Magnificent Mile to see what was going on. It was barely contained chaos. People everywhere, mostly adults, not very many in costume. Borders had a color-coded bookmark system to get reserved copies of OoP to people. They would announce which of the four floors your color needed to go to pick up your book. Unfortunately, the sound system in the store could not be heard above all the people, so they would announce something and no one would hear it. It was kind of nuts, so we only stayed about 10 minutes and then left. Spent the rest of the evening (and a night of surprisingly troubled sleep) thinking that I could have bought a copy there and had several hours of reading time in before my copy from Amazon.com arrived on Saturday afternoon. Imagine my surprise when a postal delivery person popped a copy into my mailbox before 10:00 am Saturday. Mail usually doesn't arrive until mid afternoon here. It wasn't the usual delivery person, so I asked her if delivering Harry Potter books was her job for the day. Sure enough, the mini-van she was driving has packed with what must have been several hundred white Amazon.com boxes (by the way, the Amazon.com shipping boxes were specially printed for this book, a nice little item for the collection). So, I brewed up a batch of iced tea, grabbed the book, and spent an enjoyable couple of hours sitting in the backyard reading. My partner is taking a turn with the book now, I couldn't shut up about it so he's trying to catch up to me. Anyways, enough rambling. Happy reading and discussing, everyone. I'll tune in after I return July 6 to catch up on the latest theories. tyler From jrpessin at mail.millikin.edu Sun Jun 22 05:29:24 2003 From: jrpessin at mail.millikin.edu (Jonathan Pessin) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:29:24 -0500 Subject: OotP stuff - possible spoilers, not sure yet. Message-ID: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You haven't been getting into the Gaffer's home brew again, have you?" "No... Well, yes, but that's beside the point." -Frodo and Bilbo Baggins, Fellowship of the Rings Extended Edition DVD From trinity61us at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 05:29:02 2003 From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I think I'm getting old In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030620231817.00993320@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <20030622052902.20186.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> I agree, Richard! Nonsense and codswallop, all that! I do appreciate that fact also.Trying to type with HP5 in your lap is silly enough! I actually got chills when they brought out a copy at 15 before midnight and held it up! Then they tried to read from the first chapter, but the cacophony was too much for the reader, and she gave up. But it was fun watching the kids, especially the over 30 ones, all dressed up and shivering with antipication! Well, I was one, too! Alex Fox GulPlum wrote: I'm about to leave home for Waterstone's (I expect no queues when I get there and they open the doors at midnight - just over half an hour away!) and had a quick look on the Newsround site to see what the kids in queues around the country are texting in on their cellphones. I actually had to think and concentrate on understanding it when I saw this one: I nt in a q @ t moment bt2mrw I goin2a bukstore whr Chris Rankin(Percy Weasley)wil b!I cnt w8.Il keep u updated wen im thr! God, I really AM getting old! I will be back in less than an hour to crow about my new acquisition (I'm taking cash to pay for it, just in case the electronic banking system falls over...) -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who's glad that HPFGU doesn't allow that kind of nonsense... Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bowlwoman at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 06:03:07 2003 From: bowlwoman at yahoo.com (bowlwoman) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:03:07 -0000 Subject: OOP: Spoilers - Dudley Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E Ok. So, someone in this book was SUPPOSED to learn magic later in life. My money has to be on Dudley (unless there's another reason that Filch's broom caught fire other than swatting at fireworks). The only reason I'm thinking this is because he was accurately able to describe what the Dementors felt like. I don't know if he actually SAW them, but he felt them and, IIRC they were bringing up bad memories for him. If I also remember correctly in PoA, it's mentioned that Muggles can feel the presence of Dementors in that they don't feel as happy, but I was under the impression that only wizards were suseptible to the other effects. Any other theories on who could be late to the Magic Ball? bowlwoman From mochajava13 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 06:07:47 2003 From: mochajava13 at yahoo.com (mochajava13) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:07:47 -0000 Subject: OoP: Thoughts Message-ID: M A J O R S P O I L E R S OK, that should do it. First, I absolutely loved this book. Wow. Harry: Wow. He's grown up after GoF, but still being treated as a child. Not a good combination! I hope we get to see more of his relationship with the Dursleys, especially since it seems that Petunia knows more about the wizarding world than she lets on. Petunia knows that Harry living with them gives him protection, and tells Vernon that Harry has to stay. And Harry saving Dudley's life. I think that Harry and the Dursley's have a family bond, a disfunctional one, but still.... And in the last book, I think Harry wanted the Dursley's to turn up for the last task. I almost cried when he thought to himself that the Dursley's might cry. And his anger during the books. Wow, completely understandable. He should have been let in the loop about what the order was doing, considering that he's Voldemort's #1 target. Plus, he's a teenager, that's how they react. The adults' reasoning for not including Harry in the OoP, I think, is rather weak. They said that there are dangers that teens couldn't understand, but Harry has been through some of these dangers. I don't think he's ever been more alone in his life. His friends (except Neville) can't understand what he's been through, but he's not an adult yet, either. But he does need to start thinking things through more! I think we're seeing a little more of this: Harry is suspicious of Kreacher throughout the book, and he realizes that Voldemort can enter his mind before any adult tells him this. And he does take other's advice; he did try and find Sirius after his dream that Sirius has been taken, but he didn't think it through Hermione: I loved that she knows all this stuff about the other girls in the story! We finally get to see that she has friends outside the trio. And is this girl ever wrong? She was right about Harry's dreams about Sirius. Ron: I loved how he acted like a protective older brother with Ginny! Speaking of Ginny, wow, what a transformation! I'm so glad we finally got to see what she's actually like! I didn't really care about her character much before, but I love her now! She looks like she's becoming a strong witch. And all the stuff she learned from her brothers! I love it! And her dating? Great stuff! Dumped a guy when she thought he was getting stupid, and now she's going after Dean! She is definitely a new fave. Neville: Finally! I knew he had it in him! I love that McG told him that there was nothing wrong with him but a lack of confidence. And that he made his potion during the OWLS without Snape around. Wow! His sympathy for Harry when Sirius died, unbelievable! All he did was ask if Sirius was a friend on Harry's, knowing Sirius was a wanted criminal, and offered his sympathy without question. He is so great! Keeping the gum wrappers that his mother gives him. He's finally growing into his own. I hope we see him continue to grow into his potential. He and Harry are the only children of the original order, he's got to have a lot of potential. The twins. Ah, such new heights of mayhem. Their exit was great! I only wish we could have seen more of their mayhem, it was such a great comic relief in the book. And Flitwick keeping a part of their swamp because it was a good bit of magic? I love it! Percy: I think he's going to become a death eater. He pushed his family aside because of his ambition, just like Ron said he might. And he didn't even visit his dad in the hospital! That was low. Wow. I can't believe I didn't see Sirius' death coming. Look at what he make the trio call him in their letters: Snuffles. Can you get any closer to "snuffed it"? I got the impression that he died before he fell through the curtain. And the way everyone reacted, completely fitted their personalities. Harry wanted to save him, to prevent yet another loss in his life. Lupin restrained him, but still had a hard time turning away from the curtain. Snape's memory: hm, I think there's so much more to the James/Sirius rivalry than we've seen. We know Snape hung around with a group of people who became death eaters, but where were they in this memory? The way James treated Snape was horrible, but Snape's treatment of Lily was too! Lily tried to help him, and he calls her a filthy mudblood! And how can so many teachers have such a good view of James, and Sirius while he was at Hogwarts, yet we've seen them torment someone. This book was so tragic. When Harry thought Sirius was in danger, he did listen to Hermione and tried to contact Sirius. And he warned Snape, too. But, if only he had tied his dream to what he felt through his scar! He didn't feel the pain that he normally gets when Voldemort is torturing someone. He acts on his emotions, but he doesn't think things through. And if Snape had listened to Dumbledore and continued to teach Harry Occlumency, who knows what would have happened? Or if any of the adults had told the teens more about what was going on? From professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz Sun Jun 22 06:11:02 2003 From: professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz (professor_monkshood) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:11:02 -0000 Subject: SPOILERS: Fanfics aftermaths Message-ID: Just thought I would post some of my thoughts about fanfics trends bound to appear. S P O I L E R S 1. As several people has noted already, the 'metamorphmagus' Mary- Sue is going to pop up all over the place. (Look for it in Ff.net around next Friday.) Evidence that JKR doesn't read fanfics or she wouldn't have put this in to torture us. I groan when Tonks was changing her hair ... 2. MWPP. Let The let's-find-a-way-to-twist-the-canon-so-that-MWPP- still-rocks-and-Snape-is-still-an-evil-git competition begins! Ooops, it has already begun. Of course, now we don't really need to take out the W in MWPP, do we? Wormtail fits in perfectly. 3. Most Snape writers actually stop posting once the publication date has been announced because they have anticipated big info. No big info and therefore, they don't really need to change a thing. 4. Brace yourself for another big explosion of Lily/Snape. LOLLIPOPS is coming to town. That's all I can think of at the moment. From mochajava13 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 06:21:07 2003 From: mochajava13 at yahoo.com (mochajava13) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:21:07 -0000 Subject: OoP, first impressions, part 1 In-Reply-To: <00ee01c33869$310d90c0$e304a6d8@texas.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" wrote: > I > W > A > N > T > B > O > O > K > S > I > X > T > O > M > O > R > R > O > W > > I would personally like to knock Harry in the head for not apologizing to > Snape after that. Seriously. Honestly. I can understand not thanking him, > when you're eleven, for not saving your life--but at fifteen, when you've > just stuck your head into a memory he removed for the explicit purpose of > preventing you seeing it, and discovered he'd possibly had a point in what > he'd been telling you and not *only* being nasty, and have been in exactly > that position and realize the sort of personal area you're treading on....I > *refuse* to condone Harry's total lack of any kind of remorse for this. I felt that Harry was remorseful about invading Snape's private space, and for what he saw in Snape's thoughts. I think Harry tried to tell Snape that he didn't find his father's actions amusing, and that Snape kicked Harry out of his office before Harry could explain. And I do think that since Snape is the adult, not Harry, Snape shouldn't have stopped the Occlumency lessons. Espcially since Dumbledore specifically asked him to resume them. Would Sirius have died if Snape had continued these lessons? From ajlboston at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 06:25:41 2003 From: ajlboston at yahoo.com (ajlboston) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:25:41 -0000 Subject: Whew! I am safe! Message-ID: When I finished the entire a half hour ago- even with a brief nap at page 400- I could finally go around in real or cyberspace without fearing any spoilers that might assault me before that supreme reading experience! This was the first and only HP book that I got to experience properly (the other four were out and the beans were spilled and the order was wrong and background was lacking, etc.) so I am so grateful that this worked out as I carefully planned. I HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING IT TOO, JUST AS MUCH! I must sleep now, and I won't post spoilers. Good night! A.J. From nethilia at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 06:42:41 2003 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPOILERS: Fanfics aftermaths In-Reply-To: <1056263144.1321.28437.m15@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030622064241.82438.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> > Just thought I would post some of my thoughts about > fanfics trends > bound to appear. > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > 1. As several people has noted already, the > 'metamorphmagus' Mary- > Sue is going to pop up all over the place. (Look > for it in Ff.net > around next Friday.) Evidence that JKR doesn't read > fanfics or she > wouldn't have put this in to torture us. I groan > when Tonks was > changing her hair ... Oh, yes. I hate to see what will happen with that. > 2. MWPP. Let The > let's-find-a-way-to-twist-the-canon-so-that-MWPP- > still-rocks-and-Snape-is-still-an-evil-git > competition begins! > Ooops, it has already begun. Of course, now we > don't really need to > take out the W in MWPP, do we? Wormtail fits in > perfectly. Especially from people who want to keep them on a pedastal. Oh, that's just gonna be bad all around. > 3. Most Snape writers actually stop posting once the > publication > date has been announced because they have > anticipated big info. No > big info and therefore, they don't really need to > change a thing. > 4. Brace yourself for another big explosion of > Lily/Snape. > LOLLIPOPS is coming to town. I'm not the only one who thought it. > That's all I can think of at the moment. Might I also add a few? 5: The "What if Nevile had been picked, not Harry?" AU. Much like Harry in Slytherin, the idea that Neville could have been what Harry is. 6: The Room of Requirement + Smut writers = Oh, this can't be good at all.... --Neth ===== http://www.spenecial.com Spenecial*com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. "When I see a burning cross, the first thought in my head is most likely not, 'I could really go for a cold refreshing beverage right now!' " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From banjo_ken at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 06:46:58 2003 From: banjo_ken at yahoo.com (banjo_ken) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:46:58 -0000 Subject: OOP First Impressions Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E I just finished OOP, and my head is still reeling from all the stuff that I've had to absorb over the last 870 pages! I think JKR has out done herself here. As great as 1-4 have been, none of them came close to the kind of emotional impact that this one has. I'm not just talking about the big things either... I can't quite describe it, but everything just felt right to me, even the painful parts... A few specific points: 1) My favorite characters in this book were Neville and Ginny. They've both come into their own so much. Neville proved what he's really made of a few times, and Ginny, it seems, has inherited the best qualities of all her brothers (particurarly Fred and George). 2) Umbridge is possibly the most disturbingly evil character JKR has ever created. Voldemort and the Death Eaters are too overtly evil. Umbridge is that much more frightening because she actually manges to convince enough people that she means well that she actually got herself into power. Those detentions, though... it's rare that I feel so powerfully about a villain like that, but I was ready to strangle Umbridge (and had to restrain myself from doing any damage to the book in the process). It was great to see the rest of the teachers united in fighting. I never thought I'd feel sorry for Trelawney. I was cheering when the twins led the school in an open revolt against her. 3) Somebody made a point about how JKR made a theme of killing off father figures. I agree this was very effective, especially seeing how nasty James was to Snape. I would add though, that Hagrid could probably be included in the list. Even though it worked out okay (this time), I think Hagrid really crossed the line by bringing back Grawp. I was convinced this was going to be the cause of the big death, and was shocked when he actually managed to save them. I've always loved Hagrid, and I've been willing to forgive everything up to now, but I remained convinced that this is by far his most serious lapse in judgement, and I still think it could make for disaster later on. 4) I've never been much of a shipper, but I think the Harry/Cho thing was handled very well. It's good to see just how little Harry and Ron understand. Hermione made some comment about Ron having the emotional range of a spoon... 5) I think live with the Dursleys is going to be much more interesting now. I don't think that Petunia is a squib, but there's still more to her than we've seen yet. The first time my jaw dropped was this line: 'They guard the wizard prison, Azkaban,' said Aunt Petunia. Never saw it coming. Dumbledore's howler was great too. That's enough for tonight... I'll post more when I've had a second reading to digest! Ken From nethilia at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:08:40 2003 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OoP: My review (SPOILERS!) In-Reply-To: <1056263144.1321.28437.m15@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030622070840.79885.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> > > I > > > > H > > O > > P > > E > > > > Y > > O > > U > > > > H > > A > > V > > E > > > > F > > I > > N > > I > > S > > H > > E > > D > > > > O > > R > > > > Y > > O > > U > > ' > > L > > L > > > > B > > E > > > > S > > O > > R > > R > > Y > > > > Gods almighty, I think Tonks is one of my new > favorite > > characters. A Metamorphagus? That's cooler than an > > Animagus. Almost. I hope JKR does more with her. > The > > fanfic writers are gonna love adding that to the > > repetoire. I also love the real Moody. He's kinda > > cuddly, in that polar bear way. And Lupin, back > and > > better than ever. I also like Luna Lovegood. She > seems > > sweet, in that messed up kind of way. > I loved all of the new characters in the OoP! Tonks > is definitely a > new favorite of mine, too. And Luna. She had such > a major role in > this book; I wonder what her role in the other books > are going to be? I hope it's a good one. She seems like she's got a sense of lost innocence about her. I hope she's developed more. I just hope Tonk's ability doesn't get too butchered in the Mary Sue World. > Everthing about Siruis in this book tied up so many > questions I had > about him. No wonder the good guys all thought > Sirius was a > traitor! With a family like that, how in the world > didn't he turn > out like Lucius? And will Ron find out that he's > distantly related > to Draco? Very interesting... I can see why he wanted to get away from his family. As for pureblood inbreeding, I get this image of--after a few years of this--a lone little pureblood in Hogwarts that looks like a strange mix of Sirius, Lucius, and Authur hopping around and muttering about mudbloods.... > > Fudge was an a**hole. Plain and simple. Messing > with > > Harry to save his own a**... And Percy...dear god, > I > > hate to see what happens when someone takes the > air > > out of him. > I really expected this of his character. At the end > of the last > book, he was in such a state of denial. And I think > Percy has the > makings of a death eater. He wants power, he's > willing to toss his > family aside for it just like Ron said he would. > The OoP is getting > new members - Tonk, the Weasleys - someone has to > become a death > eater. True...Seems like Evil!Percy might be the first to fall. He tossed his whole family to the side just to get a little prestege. I should have guessed from that book "Prefects who Gained Power." Not nessecarily a Death eater, but there's the saying "All it takes for Evil to prosper is for good ment to do nothing." > OK, I think Harry had a right to get so pissed off > at everyone and > to sulk so much. I think it fit in perfectly with > the ending of > GoF. He'd just been forced to watch a friend > murdered, been > tortured for fun, and nearly killed. I don't think > anyone would be > happy after that. Plus, no one is telling him a > thing and are > treating him like a young child. Come on, a man > who's wanted him > dead all his life is gaining strength, he's probably > expecting an > attack at any moment. I think this book did a very > good job showing > that even though the adults had Harry's best > interests at heart, > leaving him out of the loop had fatal results. But still, after he got in the loop--not fully, mind, but in somewhat--he still went storming around like he was the only person who'd ever been hurt by Voldemort. I'm glad that Ginny popped that little bubble of his. The main thing that irked me was that, when he discovered that Sirius was "missing", that he immediatly went to go save him without exhausting all possible ways of contact. Also, Ron and Hermione didn't think to say, "oh wait, Harry--Snape's a member of the Order, let's go talk to him and he'll go check on him." Nope, he just jumped gung ho and took his friends with him, and really messed things up. I realise that he doesn't think much of Severus, but he still seems to think that he has no redeemable qualities. Harry's got to get over his Snape hate or he's going to really step in it. > Completely agree! She was evil, evil, evil. She > was definitely > one of the people who agreed with Crouch's way of > fighting Voldemort > 15 years ago. If she's not a death eater, what does > that say about > most wizards? She's goet the second highest job in > the wizarding > community, and she has such a low opinion of > "half-breeds" and > such. Wow. I was stunned, and it left me thinking > that people like > the Weasley's are very rare in the wizarding world. I don't think there are many of them myself, else there would not be so many people who believed the Daily Prophet first. > They did seem like jerks, but we don't know the > whole story. I > can't help remembering the third book. Snape had > told Dumbledore > something like "remember that Sirius tried to kill > me?" > Dumbledore's attitude (his short response and such) > makes me think > there's more to that story than meets the eye. > Where were Snapes' > Slytherin friends? We know he hung around with a > group of people > that ended up as death eaters; where were they? And > Snapes reaction > to Lily's help: calling her a "filthy little > mudblood"? She's > trying to help, and he insults her. Lily's actions > were great. I > hope we get to see more memories with her in them. > I think Harry's > much more like her than James. I wonder if that is > the eye > connection? The idea that the eyes are the window > into a person's > soul, and the fact that Harry has his mother's eyes > shows that he > inherited her personality as well? Hmmm... I > really think there's > more going on the the James/Snape rivalry. Hmm...I dunno. James seemed to act like the essestial "cool kid"...I mean, he said he picked on Severus simply because he was there. And yes, it is his memory and probably glossed, but there's also things we could not be seeing...such as the fact that Snape's friends were watching but didn't jump to his aid, thinking that he had to be stronger than that. Or the fact that people were egging James on to pick on him and he only stopped because Lily made him. And the fact that Harry was being nosy when he looked in Pensieve to begin with. I'm just kind of glad that MWPP are no longer held up as the paragons of good behavior they'd been passed off as. I hope we get to see more of Lily, especially Angry!Lily. She's good--and the fact she's not the fifth Maurauder makes it better. > OK, I'm happy that Cho's personality isn't the best. > I think Harry > finally saw his crush for what it was: a crush based > on her looks > alone. Who hasn't had one at the age of 13? I'm > glad he finally > grew out of it. And I'm glad we got to see Cho > crying and asking > about Cedric. But still--she seemed extremly shallow. While i'll admit that she only flew to Harry to pump him for info about Cedric, she still grated me. Mebbe it's because I've seen so many fics that make her out to be a shallow female dog, and to see it in Canon doesn't help. > Oh, yeah. Priceless. Too bad they didn't make even > more mayhem! > The fireworks were great. The swamp and their exit > from school were > great. But I wish we could have seen more of it! I > love that > Peeves gave them a salute as they left. How great > was that. Wonderful! And he listened! I alos love the teachers not helping Umbridge one bit. Especially the whole "It unscrews the other way" line. Priceless! > Hmm, I thought it a little bit of a stretch that Ron > was made a > prefect and not another Griffindor boy. Dumbledore > was right for > not making Harry one. And most of the students > thought he was > unhinged for more than half the year, how effective > could he have > been? Not very. And I know another boy could have been picked, but Neville has a lot on his shoulders, and Seamus nearly didn't come back. Dean, maybe... > After Harry looked at the picture of the old OoP, I > had a feeling > that either Sirius or Lupin would die in this book. > It seemed like > half of the people in the original group are dead or > insane. And > Sirius got more and more reckless as the book went > on. After I > finished the book, I slapped myself in the head for > not thinking of > Siruis before I got OoP! He makes the trio call him > Snuffles. A > little bit close to snuffed it? LOL! Darn, I miss all the little clues. --Neth ===== http://www.spenecial.com Spenecial*com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. "When I see a burning cross, the first thought in my head is most likely not, 'I could really go for a cold refreshing beverage right now!' " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 22 07:25:25 2003 From: Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk (sabrejv) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:25:25 -0000 Subject: OOP First Impressions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "banjo_ken" wrote: > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > > > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > Picking up on your points 1) I agree with you about Neville, Ginny perhaps less so but I need to read the book again at a slower pace. 2) Umbridge - definitely the best new character, JKR made her so mean and evil you just prayed for something to happen to her - I'm glad she wasn't killed off the possiblities for the next books...... 5) Totally with you re Petunia - something more to her - ok she may have got her info on the wizarding world from sister Lily, but we need more info on the Evan's family line I mean every wizard/witch seems to have some sort of blood link to another. SJV From tcp at zoomnet.net Sun Jun 22 07:28:25 2003 From: tcp at zoomnet.net (Charles Phipps) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:28:25 -0000 Subject: OOP. The Prophecy In-Reply-To: <3EF56ED1.27056.7241D9D@localhost> Message-ID: > > RIGHT: I've remembered what should have been in my earlier post. > > That bloomin' prophecy storyline. How is that "a secret weapon"? Its basically explained in the fact that only Dumbledore actually knows the contents of the prophecy as well as Voldemort. Voldemort knows that the prophecy contains his destiny. In this respect he assumes it is the key to figuring out how he can thrawt Harry Potter. The prophecy isn't Oedipus Rex, it has a one or the other ending. Thus if Voldemort knew he COULD kill Harry Potter personally he could indeed do so. He'd also need to do it first hand, no more minions. Harry is also the secret weapon of the OoP. Voldemort can only be killed by Harry, no other. -Charlemagne From nethilia at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:47:00 2003 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:47:00 -0000 Subject: The television is Stupid Message-ID: I was watching Whammy (the new Press your luck) and there was a question about what the J. in J. K. Rowling meant. The three choices were Joanna, Jill, and Jessica. ... The "right" answer was Jessica. ... I have concluded that the television is stupid. Her name's Joanne. --Neth From Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 22 07:50:45 2003 From: Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk (sabrejv) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:50:45 -0000 Subject: OoP: My review (SPOILERS!) In-Reply-To: <20030622040605.99719.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Nethilia wrote: > I > > H > O > P > E > > Y > O > U > > H > A > V > E > > F > I > N > I > S > H > E > D > > O > R > > Y > O > U > ' > L > L > > B > E > > S > O > R > R > Y > > Speaking of Harry, that boy's got a temper and a hero > complex. I love him, but he's got both, no denying > this. He didn't need to get so p*ssed off at everyone, > he didn't need to sulk around, and he didn't need to > shoot his mouth off so much. And he didn't need to > throw it in the face of everyone that he fought > Voldemort. But then again, he is only 15... My difficulty was the lack of mood swings in the other 'teenage' characters after all they would all get far more p***ed off at that age, not just Harry. > > I DESPISE UMBRIDGE..... > Don't we all. Lets hope she's back in book 6 or 7 (hem, hem) > Why is it that when Cho finally gets a personality, > it's a stupid one?.... Never really liked Cho so this did not matter to me, but what I want to know is where did Hermione get so much insight on relationships ? Please don't say through reading books .......... I slow re-read is now in order to see what I missed the first time. SJV From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 22 07:53:36 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 22 Jun 2003 07:53:36 -0000 Subject: Poll results for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056268416.165.69986.m12@yahoogroups.com> The following HPFGU-OTChatter poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: How will you celebrate the release of OOP/obtain your copy? CHOICES AND RESULTS - I will be attending a midnight release party at B&N, Borders, Waldenbooks, Waterstones, or another chain store., 19 votes, 27.54% - I will be attending a midnight release party at an independent bookshop, 4 votes, 5.80% - I will be attending a midnight party but not a bookshop, 1 votes, 1.45% - I'm queuing to buy the book before the stores open on saturday morning, 3 votes, 4.35% - I'm getting it from Amazon.com (or another internet retailer) on saturday morning, 7 votes, 10.14% - I'll stop by the bookshop sometime on saturday to pick up a copy, but maybe not that morning., 0 votes, 0.00% - I'm holding some type of read in party after the book's release , 1 votes, 1.45% - I plan on becoming an anti-social hermit, who has threatened anyone who interrupts my reading within an inch of his/her life, after getting OOP, 22 votes, 31.88% - I plan to savour the book and to read it as slowly as possible (after all it might be awhile before we see book six), 9 votes, 13.04% - I am planning on attending an event I discovered through MAURI.com, 1 votes, 1.45% - There's a book coming out?!?!?!, 0 votes, 0.00% - other., 2 votes, 2.90% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From cheesycrustie at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:54:17 2003 From: cheesycrustie at yahoo.com (cheesycrustie) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:54:17 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm truly sorry but I think Siruis's death is irrevocable. Here's the evidence from the Jeremy Paxman Interview with JK Rowling: JEREMY PAXMAN: And is there going to be a death in this book? JK ROWLING: Yes. A horrible, horrible JEREMY PAXMAN: A horrible death of a significant figure. JK ROWLING: Yeah. I went into the kitchen having done it.... JEREMY PAXMAN: What, killed this person? JK ROWLING: Yeah. Well I had re-written the death, re-written it and that was it. It was definitive. And the person was definitely dead. And I walked into the kitchen crying and Neil said to me, "What on earth is wrong?" and I said, "Well, I've just killed the person". Neil doesn't know who the person is. But I said, "I've just killed the person. And he said, "Well, don't do it then." I thought, a doctor you know....and I said "Well it just doesn't work like that. You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer." I furthur quote from the above that JK Rowling has said that "the person was definitely dead". So, though U.S.S. SIND may sail valiantly in TBAY, I think it'll never see Sirius resurface again. Forgive me if I sound too harsh? Iola --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Terry James" wrote: > > I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of Sirius). I formally request > registration papers and all necessary documentation to launch my own theory > craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. SIND (Sirius is NOT Dead!) > until someone can come up with a name that fits the acronym DENIAL. This > ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius is not dead, just waiting > beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and Lupin said he's dead; both > of them have made major mistakes before. > > If allowed to sail, this ship will cruise TBAY proudly, optimistically and > determinedly, riding out all storms and holding out hope until the end of > Book 7. If, at that time, the ship encounters the iceberg of an unhappy > ending, then the captain and any surviving crew or passengers will valiantly > climb aboard a floating door, turn it into a Portkey, and (I've forgotten > the correct term!) "teleport" to an alternate HP universe where SIND. > Denial is not just a river in Egypt. > > Terry LJ (now rambling, possibly hallucinating) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz Sun Jun 22 07:56:34 2003 From: professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz (professor_monkshood) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:56:34 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: Snape and the Lessons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mochajava13" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" > wrote: > > I > > W > > A > > N > > T > > B > > O > > O > > K > > S > > I > > X > > T > > O > > M > > O > > R > > R > > O > > W > I felt that Harry was remorseful about invading Snape's private > space, and for what he saw in Snape's thoughts. I think Harry > tried to tell Snape that he didn't find his father's actions > amusing, and that Snape kicked Harry out of his office before Harry > could explain. And I do think that since Snape is the adult, not > Harry, Snape shouldn't have stopped the Occlumency lessons. > Espcially since Dumbledore specifically asked him to resume them. > Would Sirius have died if Snape had continued these lessons? Ummm, actually by the way the lessons are going, I am not sure. I was actually surprised how little progress Harry's been making, considering that he was throwing Imperius curse off quite easily and Snape did said that the principle is similar. They've had 3-4 months and there has been absolutely zero progress. Harry simply wasn't taking the lessons seriously (or Snape is a pretty rotten teacher, which is probable.). The Penseive scene actually reminds me of the new Charlie Kaufman screenplay, "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", (coming to a theatre near you this fall) where the protaganist takes his lover into the deepest, the worst of his childhood memory in order to evade the "memory police". Memories that he absolutely refuses to reveal to others, or only reveals in a modified version. One of the memories was a junior high bullying very similar to the one in OoTP. To get back to the point (if ever there was one), those memories Harry saw are deep wounds that have never healed. Aren't we asking too much of Snape to just forget all that and resume the lessons? And before we begin to tread along Harry's line of thinking, do remember that Sirius's death is a combination of several factors. Yes, the lessons was one but to say Sirius wouldn't have died if it had continued was an over-statement. From penumbra10 at ameritech.net Sun Jun 22 08:17:27 2003 From: penumbra10 at ameritech.net (Nia) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:17:27 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs In-Reply-To: <10.31ffda17.2c265d95@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, RSFJenny19 at a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/2003 8:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > terryljames at h... writes: > > > > Yeah, I could go with Harry/Ginny now. But I think JKR was throwing out > > hints of Harry/Hermione too. And definitely hints that Ron was worried > > about Harry and Hermione developing a relationship....My, my, the red > > herrings swim again... > > > > I watched the Dateline interview JKR did with Katie Couric and she had > something to say on the subject. Scroll down if you want to see: > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ; > ok, Katie asked JKR if Harry and Hermione would be snogging (kissing) in the > book and JKR said something to the effect of "Harry and Hermione? No, Ron and > Hermione, maybe." I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a transcript, but her > tone was one of surprise over the H|H question, and answered as if she were > correcting Katie on which SHIP would eventually sail. Me: I cannot see JKR freely discussing such major plot points as eventual relationships in such an offhanded manner. I think JKR was alluding to the scene in OoP where we see Hermione kissing Ron on the cheek, which was very sweet, but hardly conclusive. Loved the book, BTW! --Nia From Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 22 08:32:35 2003 From: Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk (sabrejv) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:32:35 -0000 Subject: OOP: Spoilers - Dudley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bowlwoman" wrote: > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > Any other theories on who could be late to the Magic Ball? I agree with you but will also add Petunia to the Ball.... She seems to know a fair bit about the wizarding world. Need more info about the Evans family line. Maybe the Evan's are linked to the Brown's (Lavender) or Parkinson (Pansy) or 'Black ?' as in (Narcissa [Malfoy]), I can't work out the Black family tapestry links yet. Ok I'm clutching at straws with 'flower' names for witches. SJV From MITCHBAILEY82 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jun 22 08:33:21 2003 From: MITCHBAILEY82 at HOTMAIL.COM (Michelle Bailey) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:33:21 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Terry James" wrote: > > I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of Sirius). I formally request > registration papers and all necessary documentation to launch my own theory > craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. SIND (Sirius is NOT Dead!) > until someone can come up with a name that fits the acronym DENIAL. This > ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius is not dead, just waiting > beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and Lupin said he's dead; both > of them have made major mistakes before. > Can I join too? I can't believe it, I won't believe it! It's just too cruel, Sirius deserved to clear his name and have some happiness after the hell and torture he's been through and Harry deserves I parental figure who's actually alive and who actually cares for him. Sigh but live is not fair ? I just can't believe that JKR could be so cruel. Michelle From kslivlib at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 08:50:42 2003 From: kslivlib at yahoo.com (kslivlib) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:50:42 -0000 Subject: OOP: first impressions SPOILERS! Message-ID: I recieved my copy at 10:30AM and all the details are just starting to sink in. The first thing that comes to mind is that it was a good thing that I was alone reading today. I couldn't help but laugh or cheer or curse out loud through-out the entire book. My thoughts are after the spoiler space. First: I never in a million years thought I would like Rita Skeeter. I even held my breath until her article came out thinking thta things were just going to get worse for Harry. I hated her more than any female character. Now? Delores Umbridge heads the top of the "people I would like to see kissed by dementors" list. That punnishment! I can't beleive she could do that! Second : Dumbledore somehow managed to show all the power I knew he had and at the same time show that he is only human and not perfect. I have always wanted to see Dumbledore kick but. I tried to explain how I felt about Dumbledore taking on Fudge and company and the Death Eaters at the end to my husband. Being the Star Wars fan he was I thought the best way to express it to him was "it's like Yoda taking out his light saber...." Third : Percy. Is he going to appolgise? That letter to Ron almost did me in. And sending the Christmas present back? Percy is getting close to making my "demetor kiss" list if he is not too careful. Fourth : Death death everywhere...ok maybe not. I was completely convinced that at least seven people were dead (not at the same time) I kept thinking OH NO! Not Him/Her and then that person would get right back up in the next scene and then walk away. By the way is Fawkes dead? There is just so much stuff flying around my head, so many details I want to savor. So many things I know I have missed. Well, I guess it is time to sleep before reading it again. Kelly (Who finds that 870 pages was not enough) From Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 22 08:57:52 2003 From: Sabrejv at blueyonder.co.uk (sabrejv) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:57:52 -0000 Subject: OOP: first impressions SPOILERS! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kslivlib" wrote: > Kelly (Who finds that 870 pages was not enough) Help 870 pages my copy is only 766.................. SJV s p o i l e r s p a c e s p o i l e r s p a c e Re Fawkes - not dead looks like he's a baby phoenix again. From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Sun Jun 22 09:25:18 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:25:18 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > P.S. Re previous posts of crying: I didn't cry, but I definitely stopped > for a moment of reflection when I realized that when V was possessing Harry, > and Harry was in such pain he wanted to die, it wasn't his parents he > thought of. His thought was, I can see Sirius again. > You know, I didn?t either! and that?s odd becouse I cryied quite a lot in this book (well, maybe not like Cho, but much) but I didn?t cryed at all when snuffles died. I just stood rooted on the spot staring desbeliving at the book. Surely he wasn?t dead and someone else will die afterwards? But no... Dont want to put you down or be rude or anything, but why would JK cryed to her husband so much in the kitchen If she hasnt really absolutely killed Sirius? And why would she actually say she was dreading that DEAD? I want to believe more than anyone that there might still be hope for Snuffles, poor fellow, the live he?s got... but, I guess it?s just as Harry, we are trying to fool ourselves. we could do something about his memory instead, perhaps? Alake From lita at sailordom.com Sun Jun 22 09:30:53 2003 From: lita at sailordom.com (Lita) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: OOP Thoughts Message-ID: <20030622012305.A25864@hedwig.sailordom.com> Well, I just finished the book a few hours ago and have been sitting around trying to digest it all. :) I have no one to really talk to yet--my husband isn't even halfway through the book yet and my brother is only on the fifth chapter. Obviously, there be spoilers here.... S P O I L E R S J U S T A H E A D ! Wow. I found OOtP to be immensely satisfying, which I'm relieved about. When I started the HP books, GoF was already out, so I hadn't had a chance to do the anticipation thing. But I wasn't disappointed (as opposed to what invariably happens when, say, a new Wheel of Time book gets released). My head is spinning with so many different thoughts right now, so please excusing any rambling.... Harry really, truly pissed me off several times during the book--he really does the whole righteous, self-centered, knows-best, "oh woe is me" bit very well. Just like a teenager. :) I swear, there were times I wanted to just reach through the book and smack some sense into him. But mixed up throughout that were several times, like with the D.A. group, when I was so proud of him I could've burst. I'm continually amazed at how "real" JKR has made Harry. IMO, the boy has flaws--serious, serious flaws that I think burned him badly in this book (and probably will again in the future)....But I can't help but root for him. Just about all of his comforting illusions were brutally stripped away from him; Hero!James, Invincible!Dumbledore, Immovable!McGonagall, Quidditch. Then there's the loss of Sirius, and with it, his only real sense of family. That's going to cut deep, I think, especially when it *really* sinks in. When it comes right down to it, Sirius's death resulted from the culmination of those flaws I mentioned earlier. While I think Hermoine's assessment of The Rift in GoF was dead wrong, I do think she absolutely hit it right about Harry's hero complex. Frankly, even if Snape had resumed the Occlumency lessons, I doubt it would have done any good. Harry had made little progress to begin with. When you get right down to it, Harry had no desire to learn--he was just too sure that going into the visions was The Right Thing To Do--so he didn't learn. (The fact that Snape was the instructor probably didn't help--Harry's as irrational about him as Snape is about Sirius.) When (and if, I suppose) this all sinks in, I think it's going to really devastate Harry. Talk about a wake-up call. But I'm pulling for his being able to learn and grow from it instead of a further retreat into self-pity and angst. I have to admit that it hadn't occured to me that JKR would kill off Sirius. I don't think I gave her enough credit (shame on me!) to think that she would flatten Harry's hopes for a family so brutually. I really thought the loss of either Dumbledore or Hagrid would be the Big, Angsty Death. But I'm beginning to think that the tearing down of Dumbledore is more effective than his death would be. (Even though I think Dumbledore was a little harsh on himself. Harry's hard-headed enough for events to have unfolded similarly even if he had more information from the beginning.) And see--I'm rambling now. :) Just so much food for thought.... Like Snape. While I was rather hoping for more about him, what we did learn just fascinated me further. The whole new spin on the James/Snape dynamic has got me wanting more. I see The Prank in a whole new light now--instead of Noble!James, I see the whole incident as James's wake-up call. James may have been a bullying git, but he wasn't totally lost. Although that whole "because he's there" remark really chilled me.... But still. What the heck *has* Snape been doing? I would think that personally spying would be out of the question (Kreacher certainly would have ratted him out to Narcissa, for one). Does he maybe run his own spies among the DEs? And that's what I liked about this book--there was, I thought, a good blend between questions that were answered and which weren't. We learned more about ghosts, about Neville's backstory, about why everyone believed Sirius was a DE (an explanation which, in hindsight, was something so simple that I never even thought of it), who the Fourth Man was, just to name what comes to me off the top of my head. Sure, I still want to know more about Snape, James, and Lily--but I didn't get the feeling at all that nothing happened or that questions weren't answered. But waiting for the next book is really going to be torture.... Lita, who thinks this is her first canon-related post after eight or nine months of lurking From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Sun Jun 22 09:40:44 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:40:44 -0000 Subject: OOP First Impressions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "banjo_ken" wrote: > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > > Talking about new characters, this loony lovegood, though funny, didn?t think she should have beeing in the final battle. What happend to Percy once the MoM finally accepted the truth? might slipped it, but even having read it this fast... I couldn?t have missed something of this caliber, not when I?m so upset about pecy, anyway! I believe I hate this Dolores more than Voldemort itself (he made a bit of a prank of him this year, didnt he? and the prophecy... well I think everybody saw it coming, I expected something shoking and marvellous... well, the thing about Neville surprised me much, but al the same.... Too soon to say anything im afraid! Im just rumbling! Alake From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Sun Jun 22 09:55:31 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:55:31 -0000 Subject: Wow In-Reply-To: <005c01c3387e$6009de00$317f9244@cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: Now, don?t complain, she didnt bored us with the usual first chapter of retelling the last books. She fitted them nicely, I think. From saitaina at wizzards.net Sun Jun 22 10:01:49 2003 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:01:49 -0700 Subject: My first thoughts.... References: Message-ID: <00de01c338a5$4ca8dc40$5f371c40@aoldsl.net> My thoughts after completing this book in a 12 hr read (stopping only to sleep and throw up...) I R E A L L Y D O N T F E E L G O O D . . . Sorry, got too creative with my spoiler space. ANYWAY! My thoughts: *Predictions that I lost: I missed three prefects, I guessed Harry for Gryffindor, Justin FF for Hufflepuff and someone else for Ravenclaw that I can't even remember now. I thought Dumbledore would be our lost one, I thought Hagrid would meet his mother, not brother and I was pretty sure Figg was going to be a witch not a squib. *VOLDEMORT!! I'm sorry but I just am in awe of his slightly evilness. Sadly, he's not as scary as I had hoped. Looks more like a fool playing bad but hopefully this will get better. And yes, I kept giggling every time Dumbledore said Tom...one should not watch the CoS movie just before reading book six. *I cried throughout this book...course that could be because I'm sick and dead tired but from the Sorting Hat's song till the tears on Dumbledore's face I could not stop sniffling as I turned pages. *Harry has grown up but still needs to learn to trust people and what to do in situations. Many, many times during the book I felt the urge to just smack him upside the head. Although he's good at giving well coded messages to the Order (if only he would learn to trust the other members). He should have gone to someone when he started writing he lines in his own blood. (like ANYONE would allow her that freedom), he should have wrote something to Snape after the pensive ordeal, a nice letter of apology for snooping. He SHOULD have contacted someone else regarding Sirius, such as Lupin or Moody but what's done is done. There's a ton of should haves that we have in our lives. *Can I just say I love Luna? I really hope she sticks around. She's not quite all there but she's a brilliant girl in her own right. Ooo, I'm starting to see a resemblance. :o) *Neville. My baby. He's just grown up so much and I can't wait to see what the next book brings with him and the D.A. I knew he's eventually come around but the way he fought by Harry's side just made me so proud of him. *Seamus' and he mum need a good smack every once in a while. * The D.A. I knew this was going to come about but to see it was just wonderful. I predict much bigger plans in store for them. *The Order: From beginning to end I loved every mention of the Order. Especially the last bits *snicker* I really hope we continue to see them at the beginning and end of the years as well as sprinkled throughout. *Draco...I really hope that boy gets his act in gear and picks a bloody side. Right now he's just a no account annoying bully whom is probably going to die a horrible death that will leave me relieved to have gotten rid of him. He's not evil, he's not good, he's just annoying now. *SHIPS: *watches the H/G sail away and glares* That ship better get it's butt turned around let me tell you....grrrrr. And Ginny can't go out with Dean as he belongs to Seamus. *Professor/Headmaster/Whatever: What's her face that I can't bother remembering. Your know who I'm talking about, the annoying bint that made me rant and rave to myself in the bath for about an our. Annoying woman she was. If I ever wanted to strangle a character she would be it, and I rarely strangle characters...they all have some purpose. Well, those are my main thoughts. All in all, a good book. I REALLY should lay off the fanfiction as a lot of it was VERY familiar. I felt like I've read it before. But it was all good, no real complaints besides character flaws that hopefully will be cleared up. Sadly it didn't seem like a Harry Potter book. I was expecting something more like the first four, not ready for the shift in gears towards the war we knew was coming. It's understand able why it took some time though. It was well plotted, well written and an amazing ride from beginning to end. Sad part is...the wait starts again. *stairs at her calendar...pokes it* Damnit. Saitaina **** "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina My theory on housework is, if the item doesn't multiply, smell, catch on fire or block the refrigerator door, let it be. No one cares. Why should you? From professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz Sun Jun 22 10:17:59 2003 From: professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz (professor_monkshood) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:17:59 -0000 Subject: SPOILERS: Fanfics aftermaths In-Reply-To: <20030622064241.82438.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just thought of a couple possible fanfics types. 1. James redemption fics. You know how Snape redemption fic (especially mixed with a load of LOLLIPOPS) was a favourite after GoF. We could be seeing mountain loads of James Redemption fics (this time, mixed with canon Lily's love) once the MWPP crowds get over the fact that Noble!James was an illusion (at least when he was fifteen). (How things have changed, uh? If any fanfic writers have put the scene in OoP into their fics two weeks ago, the whole crowd would have screamed OOC!) 2. "Sirius is not dead" fic. The proud ship of DENIAL (or whatever it is called now) would definitely be a feature in many, many DENIAL FICS. 3. I don't know how anyone can write Canon!Draco anymore. He's not even interesting. A dull 2-D, flat character that doesn't do anything. I don't ask for Snape or Sirius's level of interestingness (?) but he's as exciting as a bowl of flobberworms in OoP. Expect the Draco crowd to stick with Fanon!Draco. Now here's a genuine plot bunny: 1. Snape the yoga/meditation teacher. Which was exactly my thought when I got to the Occlumency chapter. This teaches you to never pick up Harry Potter after yoga sessions. Would be a cool humour fic, though I kind of feel guilty doing anything mean to him now. Pick up these (forlicking?) plot bunnies if you like them. Go on ... they won't bite. From karnasaur at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 10:38:44 2003 From: karnasaur at yahoo.com (Archbishop Kristjan) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:38:44 -0000 Subject: How's this for dedication.... Message-ID: Hi, I'm writing from Seoul, where I teach English. I was worried that I would not be able to get a copy of OotP for at least a month, so I cancelled the daily digest for this group, convinced that every single surprise would be ruined by the time I did get if I did not. All I know is, someone dies, and not someone many people had guessed, Harry is angry, and the new Dark Arts teacher is female and unpleasant. I was going to head to one of the big bookstores in central Seoul to try my luck today, but first I checked the local department store, and much to my surprise, they had it for sale there for W39,000 ($CDN 45, $US 32, 20 quid). I then sat under a tree outside (couldn't find a flower-bed) and started reading. I noticed that the Chapter titles were giving things away, so I skipped them. Don't bother replying. I shall not rejoin until the book is done. K From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 11:26:42 2003 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:26:42 -0000 Subject: OOP: Thoughts.... Message-ID: I just finished it. It took me longer than usual as I was constantly interrupted throughout the day by my children. And my daughter upended a Coke on my open book half-way through reading it.... Sigh. N o w f o r t h e s p o i l e r s p a c e It was very difficult getting into the book -I was suprised by how upset I was at the emotional undercurrents running throughout the book. Harry being angry and yelling at Ron and Hermione - I was amazed, but not entirely surprised. I got the overwhelming impression that all the adults so eager to impress Harry would end up driving into to the path of danger because he didn't really know what was going on. His anger at Dumbledore was surprising, as I know that Harry has always regarded Dumdledore as a comforting presence. Poor Harry - he got the shortest straw, didn't he? Not only destined to be murdered or commit murder himself, he is treated like a child through most of the book by most of the adults. As for Umbridge, I was, quite frankly, apalled at how horrible this character was. My god, when Voldemort finally makes an appearance, he seems like a charming, gracious fellow compared to her, didn't he? Using the Cruciatus Curse on Harry to torture him for info? Yikes! Looks like Barty Crouch Sr. missed marrying his perfect match. (shudder) I was so upset by Umbridge's treatment of Harry, and everyone else at Hogwarts, that I kept itching to skim the last several chapters so I could make she got some kind of comeuppance. I resisted the urge, but it was VERY, VERY difficult. She is one character I never want to see again in the Potterverse. When I re-read the book, at least I know that she will be gone by end. Draco Malfoy. There's a name that won't inspire terror in Harry ever again. There was a great reduction in his nasty taunts of Harry in this book, for which I was grateful. His character, to be truthful, has gotten tiring. And how are his fortunes going to end up when dear old dad is discredited and ends up in prison for being a Death Eater? Hmmm. My mind reels at the scenes we may see in Book 6. I'm looking forward to the end of Draco's 'reign of terror' at Hogwarts. Ginny & Neville & Cho Chang. Huge shifts in character for these two. Ginny finally showed her mettle - good for her! Am I the only one who was slightly disappointed that Ginny had given up on Harry ever noticing her? Oh well.... Harry has definitely noticed her now, though. :) Neville was much stronger than he had been - I see much hope for him in future books. The fights between Harry and Cho were very much true to how a self-occupied teenager with no idea how teenage girl's mind works and a grief-stricken, self-occupied teenage girl could get their signals so crossed. Harry is finally over Cho - and many on the list felt it was never going to work with the spectre of Cedric between them. The prophecy was as I expected. Harry and Voledmort are mortal enemies. Knew that already. And, has been discussed by many on the main list, Trelawny making the prediction was not a surprise. Since I doubt JKR would write a seven book series where the bad guy wins in the end, I feel much better about Harry surviving through to (and beyond) book 7. And what powers did Voldemort give to Harry, exactly? Dumbledore is not specific - will he be more specific in the future? I know parsel tongue was one 'gift', but other than reading Voldemort's moods, I would really like to know what else Voldemort transferred to Harry the night the curse failed. What is going to be agonizing now is who will still be standing (and alive) beside Harry when the end comes. I dread knowing at the same time I'm just dying to know. Percy. I am dismayed by this character's obvious path toward being a Death Eater, or at the very least a Barty Crouch Sr.! Whether or not the Weasleys accept in back in the family may influence what side he ends up on, I fear. Sirius. Sigh... I sort of knew that was coming, though not in the way it actually happened. When Harry was reading the potions book and falling asleep at the fire, there was mention of a potion ingredient that helped to make a potion that caused 'recklessness' in the drinker. I thought for sure that Kreacher, under orders from Sirius's screechy mom (or ??), was slipping some of that into Sirius' food so that Sirius would end up giving himself away carelessly and die at the hands of dementors or the Ministry itself. While I'm not happy that Sirirus died, I can accept it. I liked the character, but, to be honest, I'm more upset about what his death will mean for Harry. Sirius was reckless occasionally and I always bristled when he complained that Harry wasn't like James and didn't enjoy or take enjoyment in taking risks. Fred & George. Excellent parting for Fred and George. I liked how they revealed that their mayhem was actually 'carefully controlled' mayhem, in that they tried not to go too far over the line and actually get expelled. And that they risked everything to give Umbridge (and Filch) hell up to end. As for the new characters, I didn't get to know Tonk, Luna Lovegood and the other OotP members enough to decide how I felt about them. Luna was odd, though, and I think she has definite purpose in later books. James and rest of the MWPP I would classify as 'new' characters kind of - as we really didn't to know any of them much, with the possible exception of Lupin, in previous books. Sirius' family was a revelation - and a huge insight into his ornery and sometimes dangerously rebellious behavior. James was a very obnoxious 15-year-old. Unless Snape's memory was vastly skewed because it was *his* memory of the event. Somehow, though, I think the pensieve reduces memories to mere 'tape recordings' of events that can't be so prejudiced, though I may be wrong. I also feel Harry, at the very least should have apologized to Snape for snooping into his thoughts. Harry is entitled to his hatred of Snape, but falling into a another's thoughts is just plain rude. Snape didn't help matters either. Unfortunately, many times, both Snape and Sirius are guilty of only seeing Harry as an extension of his father, when it is plain that Harry is not like his father in many ways. That's it for now, I've got to get some sleep. Diana L. From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 12:11:03 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:11:03 -0000 Subject: OOP: Spoilers - Dudley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sabrejv" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bowlwoman" > wrote: > > > > S > > > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > > > S > > > > P > > > > A > > > > C > > > > E > > > > > > Any other theories on who could be late to the Magic Ball? > > I agree with you but will also add Petunia to the Ball.... She seems > to know a fair bit about the wizarding world. Need more info about > the Evans family line. > > Maybe the Evan's are linked to the Brown's (Lavender) or Parkinson > (Pansy) or 'Black ?' as in (Narcissa [Malfoy]), I can't work out the > Black family tapestry links yet. Ok I'm clutching at straws > with 'flower' names for witches. > > SJV Ok I like the Dudley thought mostly because its the first I have read since I finished the book 2 hours ago, thinking there was noone to talk to. The Black family Tapestry is an intriguing peice of work especially since so many names are burned off, there could be an evans branch of the black family tree but I doubt it. How far have you read in, can I tell you something from further in the book yet? Valky From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 22 12:18:57 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:18:57 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Spoiler rules and spoiler period Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! Wah hay! Oh joy! It's finally here! The Phoenix has landed! And with it has landed a request from our listmembers. We held a public poll to determine the length of time the Spoiler rules should stay in operation. The majority request was for a two week post-OOP period. Until 23:59 British Summer Time Saturday July 5th, 2003, we would like members to continue to use the "OOP" prefix for any post to any of our lists that contains spoilers for OoP. The end of the spoiler period will be announced on-list. The definition of a spoiler is: anything in the book, any cover art, any cover blurb, any quotation from a news article or interview which refers to book, cover art or cover blurb. [Note: the following examples were quite deliberately written before publication. If there are any real spoilers in here, it's a complete coincidence] Subject headers should not, of course, contain spoilers themselves -- "OOP: Sirius dies at Azkaban!" rather defeats the point of the OoP prefix. Remember also that the first line of your post appears on the Group Home Page under `Most recent messages', so treat that first line as if it were a subject header. For example, an appropriate subject header might be, "OOP: Harry, Sirius." Harry and Sirius are so interconnected in previous books that this isn't a spoiler. "OOP: Harry, Lupin" on the other hand, *would* be a spoiler, as those who haven't yet got hold of a copy don't know whether Lupin is in Book 5. "OOP: Lupin" would be better (as for all we know, you might be posting on why Lupin isn't in the book). Remember that a subject header which has *both* a chapter number and a subject is in itself a spoiler. 'OOP: Chapter 32 - Sirius' tells readers that Sirius turns up in Chapter 32. For a reader only on Chapter 7, where Harry is worried about his godfather, that's a spoiler. If you want to discuss a particular chapter, use chapter numbers *only*. 'OOP: Chapter 32' is fine. Please begin using "OOP" prefix on all of our lists -- especially the main list and OT-Chatter ? until and including July 5th. And remember, if you have any comments about any OoP release issues, holler at us at: hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com "The truth." Dumbledore sighed. "It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution." [PS/SS Chapter 17] Be like Dumbledore. Tell people as little as possible. ;-) We've counted down to June 21st! The Administration Team From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 12:19:53 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:19:53 -0000 Subject: OoP, first impressions, part 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mochajava13" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" > wrote: > > I > > W > > A > > N > > T > > B > > O > > O > > K > > S > > I > > X > > T > > O > > M > > O > > R > > R > > O > > W > > > > I would personally like to knock Harry in the head for not > apologizing to > > Snape after that. Seriously. Honestly. I can understand not > thanking him, > > when you're eleven, for not saving your life--but at fifteen, when > you've > > just stuck your head into a memory he removed for the explicit > purpose of > > preventing you seeing it, and discovered he'd possibly had a point > in what > > he'd been telling you and not *only* being nasty, and have been in > exactly > > that position and realize the sort of personal area you're > treading on....I > > *refuse* to condone Harry's total lack of any kind of remorse for > this. > > > I felt that Harry was remorseful about invading Snape's private > space, and for what he saw in Snape's thoughts. I think Harry > tried to tell Snape that he didn't find his father's actions > amusing, and that Snape kicked Harry out of his office before Harry > could explain. And I do think that since Snape is the adult, not > Harry, Snape shouldn't have stopped the Occlumency lessons. > Espcially since Dumbledore specifically asked him to resume them. > Would Sirius have died if Snape had continued these lessons? Blub Blub Blub... Valky wipes her sodden eyes, Siriussss... sniff sniff. Darn it didnt she have us all wacked though eh. Hagrid then Hagrid again Macgonagall, Sirius, all the DA, Hermione, Ron, Neville, Moody, then finally boo hoo Sirius waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Then, to top it all off she threatens to kill off Dumbledore and Harry in one hit. Oh waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I am soooo sad about Sirius. Sorry, composure. sniff sniff. I put the book down and walked out when I thought it was Hermione. I thought, How can I read this to my Daughter? About dying, I dont think that Harry should even have gone to the MOM at all the prophecy was useless to anybody. Voldemort may as well have written it himself for all the use it was to him now. I think that there was confusion among the ranks. I dont think that they were actually guarding the prophecy at all. I am sure they thought that Voldemort was after something much more powerful. It was all a very sorry and sad mess. Valky From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 12:32:59 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:32:59 -0000 Subject: OOP. this is a spoiler reply The Prophecy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I F Y O U H A V E N O T F I N I S H E D D O N O T R E A D "Charles Phipps" wrote: > > > RIGHT: I've remembered what should have been in my earlier post. > > > That bloomin' prophecy storyline. How is that "a secret weapon"? I am thinking the OOP overestimated Voldemort and expected him to attempt upon the real weapon which remains hidden in the Dept of Myst. Dumbledore tells Harry that there is something more powerful behind closed doors in the MOM. Remember the Locked door that HRH+DA abandoned. That is what the OOP thought Voldie was after. That is what Arthur guarded (oops forgot Arthur in my other post about the many characters JK threatened to kill on us) anyway, the power greater than death, whatever it is, is the weapon that Voldemort doesnt have. Voldie is completely utterly devoid of love. Valky From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 12:39:24 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:39:24 -0000 Subject: OOP Spoiler opening the Jokeshop Message-ID: P L E A S E D O N O T R E A D U N T I L Y O U A R E A T L E A S T THREE QUARTERS THROUGH THE BOOK Hi, I really wanted to say more than anything. I am absolutely delighted at the opening celebrations for Weasley Wizard Wheezes. Let it not be said that any Weasley brother failed to make his lasting and memorable impression on Hogwarts. A true service to the school I have ever seen one. yours ecstatically Valky From sprsun at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 12:53:54 2003 From: sprsun at yahoo.com (SprSun) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:53:54 -0000 Subject: OOP my first thoughts (SPOILERS) Message-ID: Everyone gets to rant a bit right? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Harry: He was so thick and unfair to other people at times and he made terrible mistakes, but under the circumstances, we forgive him. And he's learning to be a leader. Hermione: Love her. But was she a bit too wise? She could read between lines and was right about almost everything and understood everyone's complciated feelings as well. Take the DA group--it was her idea and it proved to be useful. She also worried that it might be reckless and that turned out to be true as well since it resulted in Dumbledore's leaving. But what did she write to Viktor Krum? And what happened to Karkaroff? Ron: Still adorable, but I wish he could have a more significant role, such as the big chess he played in PS. Sirius Black: Fortunately I'm not a huge fan of him. Always thought he was unfair to Snape and always annoyed that he didn't seem to regret setting Snape up. I feel sorry for him. He's a good man but he had this fatal habit of overlooking apparently insignificant people/creature?DIt costed him his best friend's life and it costed his own life. Poor padfoot. Didn't saw his death coming. Thought it would be Hagrid or Neville. Remus Lupin: Too little about my favourite character, but he's consistently great in every scene he was in. He still had the ability to settle an argument. He was still good at comforting people. And he could still remain calm under greatest distress. It must've been painful to lose his best friend for a second time! His hair kept greying throughout the book -- if he survives book 7 his hair will be completely white just like Dumbledore's. We also see his flaw -- his fear of losing the trust and friendship of those who were important to him. He failed to tell Dumbledore about Sirius being animagus in book 3, and now we see he failed as boy to keep his friends in line even though he knew they were doing something wrong. He could speak Voldemort's name without flinch but he didn't have the courage to stand up to his friends -- Neville beat him in this respect. On the other hand, he and Dumbledore are the only two characters who calmly admit their mistakes. Pity his chance of getting the headmaster job is pretty thin. Severus Snape: I couldn't believe that Harry and Hermione forgot that they could go to Snape after Harry had the dream about Sirius being tortured. Compared with James and Sirius, his image in OOP appears to be pretty decent. If only Harry could trust him a bit more! I hope he overcome it in the future. James Potter: Well it's a big shock seeing him showing off and bullying Snape. I think we need a reconciliation, for Harry and for us. I don't need him to be hero figure but what was he really like? I wish Lupin would have a good chat with Harry in the next book. Albus Dumbledore: Loved it when he called Voldemort Tom, loved it when he admitted his mistakes to Harry while retaining his dignity. He was terribly angry several times in the book, but didn't show much his sense of humour, which is a great pity. This alone is enough to make me consider book 5 the darkest in the series. I'm so relieved that he didn't die though! If he does then the next book will be too dark, I think. Still no hint about his famous triumphant look in GoF though. Hagrid: I thought he was making a fatal mistake by bringing his half- brother back, what with the injuries and Firenz's warning, so the scene of Grawp asking "Hermy" where is "Hagger" blew me away. Wonder how this will develop in the next book. Percy Wesley: I can't forget his pale face when he embraced Ron in GoF after Ron was saved from the lake. He *has* to be spying for Dumbledore or something! Aunt Petunia: She took me totally by surprise. Hope there'll be more about her in the next book. It seems she does want to keep her sister's child alive. Why was she so hostile to Harry? Was she jealous of her sister? Sybill Trelawney: Never dreamed that one day she would be predicting Harry's long life and 12 children, LOL! Fred and George: Always loved the twins but the quidditch practice where they accidentally made Katie's nosebleeding dangerously worse was a little shock to me. Hermione's right (again), they were a bit irresponsible in their actions. Tonks/Luna Lovegood: Both characters seem a bit awkward imho. They were not fully developed characters but they were not merely background characters either. Amusing as they are, I found these two a bit pointless. Hopefull Rowling will develop them better in the next book. Dolores Umbridge: I wish she wasn't so unredeemable. It was because of her that Sirius said that words of wisdom: "the world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters." But Umbridge is just too disgustingly bad to be in a grey zone. She comes out much worse than Fudge. The Occlumency lesson: Did Lupin talk to Snape about his stopping the lesson? Why didn't Dumbledore do anything after he learned about it, since it's so important? Did he know that Voldemort could feed Harry false images and if so, why didn't he warn Harry? The Prophecy: The part about Harry having the power to vanquish Valdmore is predictable. The part about only one of them can live wasn't a big surprise. But I didn't forsee that Neville could have been the chosen one, so to speak. Revealing the prophecy didn't look like a big deal to me, but Harry most likely didn't catch the significance of Dumbledore's words about Trelawney's *two* real predictions, so I guess it probably was a shock to him. The Relationships: Ron and Hermione reminded Harry of the Weasleys. One couple seem to have been settled. And Ron wanted Ginny to date Harry. I guess the one-big-happy-Weasley-family theory is most likely to be right in the end. From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 12:57:29 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:57:29 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: Snape and the Lessons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "professor_monkshood" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mochajava13" > wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" > > > wrote: > > > I > > > W > > > A > > > N > > > T > > > B > > > O > > > O > > > K > > > S > > > I > > > X > > > T > > > O > > > M > > > O > > > R > > > R > > > O > > > W > > > I felt that Harry was remorseful about invading Snape's private > > space, and for what he saw in Snape's thoughts. I think Harry > > tried to tell Snape that he didn't find his father's actions > > amusing, and that Snape kicked Harry out of his office before > Harry > > could explain. And I do think that since Snape is the adult, not > > Harry, Snape shouldn't have stopped the Occlumency lessons. > > Espcially since Dumbledore specifically asked him to resume them. > > Would Sirius have died if Snape had continued these lessons? > > Ummm, actually by the way the lessons are going, I am not sure. I > was actually surprised how little progress Harry's been making, > considering that he was throwing Imperius curse off quite easily and > Snape did said that the principle is similar. They've had 3-4 > months and there has been absolutely zero progress. Harry simply > wasn't taking the lessons seriously (or Snape is a pretty rotten > teacher, which is probable.). > > The Penseive scene actually reminds me of the new Charlie Kaufman > screenplay, "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", (coming to > a theatre near you this fall) where the protaganist takes his lover > into the deepest, the worst of his childhood memory in order to > evade the "memory police". Memories that he absolutely refuses to > reveal to others, or only reveals in a modified version. One of the > memories was a junior high bullying very similar to the one in OoTP. > > To get back to the point (if ever there was one), those memories > Harry saw are deep wounds that have never healed. Aren't we asking > too much of Snape to just forget all that and resume the lessons? > > And before we begin to tread along Harry's line of thinking, do > remember that Sirius's death is a combination of several factors. > Yes, the lessons was one but to say Sirius wouldn't have died if it > had continued was an over-statement. I agree obviously Snape was unable to overcome Harry seeing his dirty undies. mmm mmmm (stop that snickering Mon) However, the interesting part about that is that Snape has learned a little about the true Harry in the process and may be less able to tar him with the brush befitting his 15 yr old father. Secondly my personal opinion of why Harry did not practise the lessons is that he wanted the dreams to continue. He was feeling Voldemorts curiosity and excitement about the mystery behind the door as well as his own. Harry has many times risked the most important things to him for a small taste of sweet satisfaction and was tempted yet again to ignore the warning. At the end of course he finally realised what he was risking. It was a valuable lesson for Harry, and I think he will definately give Occlumency a second go now that Voldemort has shown his willingness to jump inside Harry at will. ooooooh feeling quite ill. Valky From cheesycrustie at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 13:31:22 2003 From: cheesycrustie at yahoo.com (cheesycrustie) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:31:22 -0000 Subject: OOP: first impressions SPOILERS! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The UK Version is 766 pages, while the US version is 870 pages long :) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sabrejv" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kslivlib" > wrote: > > > Kelly (Who finds that 870 pages was not enough) > > > Help 870 pages my copy is only 766.................. > > SJV > > > s > p > o > i > l > e > r > > s > p > a > c > e > > s > p > o > i > l > e > r > > s > p > a > c > e > > Re Fawkes - not dead looks like he's a baby phoenix again. From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Jun 22 13:53:24 2003 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:53:24 -0000 Subject: The Blacks & the Evans (was OOP: Spoilers - Dudley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" wrote: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > The Black family Tapestry is an intriguing peice of work especially > since so many names are burned off, there could be an evans branch of the black family tree but I doubt it. How far have you read in, can I tell you something from further in the book yet?> Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Lily and Petunia's parents were both Muggles. If so, how could there be any relation to the Blacks, who are generally all pureblood wizards? Also, wouldn't Sirius have already known if he was in any way related to Harry? Wouldn't he have been eager to tell Harry? --jenny from ravenclaw, who was horrified to find that Sirius was related to Narcissa Malfoy *********************************** From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 14:01:01 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:01:01 -0000 Subject: OoP: My review (SPOILERS!) In-Reply-To: <20030622070840.79885.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Nethilia wrote: > > > > I > > > > > > H > > > O > > > P > > > E > > > > > > Y > > > O > > > U > > > > > > H > > > A > > > V > > > E > > > > > > F > > > I > > > N > > > I > > > S > > > H > > > E > > > D > > > > > > O > > > R > > > > > > Y > > > O > > > U > > > ' > > > L > > > L > > > > > > B > > > E > > > > > > S > > > O > > > R > > > R > > > Y > > > > > > > Gods almighty, I think Tonks is one of my new > > favorite > > > characters. Valky: Tonks!!! Rules!!! I loved Luna a little too. She was quirky, a good spice to the mix a brain to rival Hermione. I am seeing a small leaning to the imaginative verus logical mind debate in this situation. Until now no merit had been attributed to the imaginative mind that Hermione couldnt supercede with her logic, now we have a whole new kettle of fish to intrigue us. Perfect 10 JK Someone else said regarding Luna's future character development: > I hope it's a good one. She seems like she's got a > sense of lost innocence about her. I hope she's > developed more. > Valky says: She proved Hermione wrong how many times? Shes not all fairies is she, really. She has much to achieve in future books I am sure. > Fudge was an a**hole. Plain and simple. Messing > > with Harry to save his own a**... And Percy...dear god, > > I hate to see what happens when someone takes the > > air out of him. And I think Percy has the makings of a death eater. > > True...Seems like Evil!Percy might be the first to > fall. He tossed his whole family to the side just to > get a little prestege. Valky: Percy hmmm we'll have to wait and see his reaction. Yes I am absolutely beyond doubt that LV will offer him power that may be irresistable. After all Fudge has little left to provide in terms of prestige. He's a right old mullet isn't he. Valky: Yes, I just wanted to say that I was not aggrieved of Harry's temper in the slightest. Perfectly normal reactions given the circumstance. I don't think he has a hero complex. IMHO > > > Completely agree! She was evil, evil, evil > Valky on Dolores: She delighted to perform the crutiatus, went completely power mad in Hogwarts... poisoned honey oooh too nice a description. I hope there is no redemption for her although she may not be entirely evil, her actions were too despicable for words. Imagine attacking Hagrid and Macgonagall the way she did, I would be appalled if she was redeemed. Disrespectful self-righteous.....mumble mumble... It unscrews the other way....hahaha It gave us due cause to endear old Macgonagall to us though didnt it. Gosh she was great in OOP. > > They did seem like jerks, but we don't know the > > whole story. > > Where were Snapes' > > Slytherin friends? We know he hung around with a > > group of people > > that ended up as death eaters; where were they Valky on Snape: Death Eaters...friends..... same sentence. Oxymoron. Snape was on his own against James, after all what power was to be gained by standing up to the most popular and talented boy in the school. Hmm...I dunno. James seemed to act like the essestial > "cool kid"...I mean, he said he picked on Severus > simply because he was there. Valky on James: I am seeing a parallel that Harry was fated to encounter. He was disgusted by his fathers behaviour, as he should have been his own. Harry was shown a sincere insight into his own arrogance through this encounter, and was, as expected, unable to fully comprehend the truth. The nearest person to give a true insight was Lupin. He did his best to show Harry he was judging his own faults in his father but at 15 even with the abilities of introspection that Harry possesses, You cannot see for looking. I, for one, think that this particular part of the story has incredibly realistic overtones. > > I hope we get to see more of Lily, especially > Angry!Lily. She's good--and the fact she's not the > fifth Maurauder makes it better. > Valky on Lily: We were all very proud of Lily. There is some naivety on her part mentioned by Lupin later in the book. We should not go ahead looking for perfection in Lily. > > OK, I'm happy that Cho's personality isn't the best. Valky on Cho: I am not disappointed in the way the story developed. I didnt expect or believe Cho would be ditzy and shallow. Still, I was satisfied with it. It was tingly for a while to share the Harry/Cho butterflies. > > > Oh, yeah. Priceless. Too bad they didn't make even > > more mayhem! > > The fireworks were great. The swamp and their exit > > from school were > > great. But I wish we could have seen more of it! I > > love that > > Peeves gave them a salute as they left. How great > > was that. > > Wonderful! And he listened! I alos love the teachers > not helping Umbridge one bit. Especially the whole "It > unscrews the other way" line. Priceless! > Valky on Fred and George: There is now an even bigger challenge for Ron than Head Boy and Prefect or Captain of Quidditch. He will be hard pressed to attain an exit as indelible as that one. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 14:08:23 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:08:23 -0000 Subject: The Blacks & the Evans (was OOP: Spoilers - Dudley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jenny_ravenclaw" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" > wrote: > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > The Black family Tapestry is an intriguing peice of work especially > > since so many names are burned off, there could be an evans branch > of the black family tree but I doubt it. How far have you read in, can > I tell you something from further in the book yet?> > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Lily and > Petunia's parents were both Muggles. If so, how could there be any > relation to the Blacks, who are generally all pureblood wizards? > Also, wouldn't Sirius have already known if he was in any way related > to Harry? Wouldn't he have been eager to tell Harry? > Ok are you saying that you want to hear what I have to say from further into the book then. Well I am not at all convinced of the Evans relation to the Blacks. If there were, however, it would have been burned off the tapestry as a disgrace due to the muggle connection. In Snapes memory he calls Lily mudblood. Therefore both her parents are muggles. That is the part further in the book I wanted to speak of. Mudblood is both muggle parents halfblood is Seamus or Harry some wizard, some muggle. I am intersted more in the Weasley tapestry though than anything. Why are they the *real blood traitors* and purebloods at the same time? Valky From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 14:19:30 2003 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:19:30 -0000 Subject: OOP spoiler bet you missed that. Message-ID: T H I S H A S A B I G S P O I L E R I N I T B E W A R E Hi Valky here wondering why so many people are so sure Harry or Voldemort could just murder the other as simply as a duel. Have we forgotten THEIR WANDS DONT WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER. The prophecy says one will murder the other. (What was all that solstice stuff Bellatrix was blithering?) I cannot think of a harder thing for us to predict. How will Harry *Murder* somebody? Even LV. If he doesn't then surely not an ending of LV making himself comfortable at reign in the WW. My head is spinning. Besides what's the mysterious power then. Have we seen Harry use it yet and dont even know. I am betting the farm on it, that we have. From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Sun Jun 22 14:44:08 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:44:08 +0000 Subject: Pages in Order of phoenix Message-ID: I just want to say that the official UK addition of order of phoenix only has 766 pages.It was annouced many times on the news. The book in other countries, such as america (I think) has alot more. becasue of the font size...and I do believe that a few countries books have got pictures within them...So if you are in the uk and you have 766 pages, then you have the correct book....None of the books are different, they are all the same story. ML Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From craig.frizzell at marquette.edu Sun Jun 22 14:51:52 2003 From: craig.frizzell at marquette.edu (craigf4656) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:51:52 -0000 Subject: OOP spoiler bet you missed that. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" wrote: > T > H > I > S > > H > A > S > A > B > I > G > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > I > N > > I > T > > B > E > W > A > R > E > > Hi Valky here wondering why so many people are so sure Harry or > Voldemort could just murder the other as simply as a duel. > Have we forgotten THEIR WANDS DONT WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER. But wasn't this only a function of the wands trying to work simultaneously? (sp?) If one were to cast AK, behind the other's back say, I get the feeling it would work. Craig, who bought OotP at 7:15 yesterday morning and had it read by 3:30pm. From darrell.e.harris at verizon.net Sun Jun 22 15:01:19 2003 From: darrell.e.harris at verizon.net (tigerfan41) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:01:19 -0000 Subject: The Blacks & the Evans (was OOP: Spoilers - Dudley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jenny_ravenclaw" > wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" > > wrote: > > > I am intersted more in the Weasley tapestry though than anything. > Why are they the *real blood traitors* and purebloods at the same > time? > Valky Pure bloods who not only consort with mudbloods and muggles but also battle against Voldemort and the DEs directly. From editor at texas.net Sun Jun 22 14:58:17 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:58:17 -0500 Subject: OoP Snape thoughts, was RE: Thoughts References: Message-ID: <007401c338ce$b7bc5f60$a404a6d8@texas.net> > M > > A > > J > > O > > R > > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > > > Snape's memory: hm, I think there's so much more to the > James/Sirius rivalry than we've seen. We know Snape hung around > with a group of people who became death eaters, but where were they > in this memory? Wonder if he *started* hanging around that gang *because* of this kind of treatment? This is the end of fifth year, the Prank hasn't happened yet (I don't think, if they're fifteen), and they have two more years to go. What if James' & Sirius' bullying is what pushed Snape into that crowd? > The way James treated Snape was horrible, but > Snape's treatment of Lily was too! Lily tried to help him, and he > calls her a filthy mudblood! This, again, makes me wonder why that particular memory was the worst. Either (a) in the part Harry didn't see, the end, they *did* take his pants off, and more...or (b) it was because Lily was there, got involved, he insulted her. Snape/Lily is still viable. > And how can so many teachers have such > a good view of James, and Sirius while he was at Hogwarts, yet we've > seen them torment someone. No idea. We need book 6. Like, tomorrow. ~Amanda From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 22 15:02:50 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 22 Jun 2003 15:02:50 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1056294170.22.86165.m6@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! 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From darrell.e.harris at verizon.net Sun Jun 22 15:04:16 2003 From: darrell.e.harris at verizon.net (tigerfan41) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:04:16 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: That book is fandamntastic any DA is worth 2 DEs Hagrid is da man McGonagalL what a gal From enjoeyment at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 15:38:00 2003 From: enjoeyment at yahoo.com (Valerie) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:38:00 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E ! ! --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Bailey" wrote: > I can't believe it, I won't believe it! > It's just too cruel, Sirius deserved to clear his name and have some > happiness after the hell and torture he's been through and Harry > deserves I parental figure who's actually alive and who actually > cares for him. Sigh but live is not fair ? I just can't believe that > JKR could be so cruel. I can believe it. Although it would be great for SIND to be true, I can see why Rowling killed him off. First off, plot jump-start. What better way to make Harry hate Voldemort even *more*? Second, JKR has stated that Sirius is one of her favorite characters, and it's a test of her writing abilities to be able to get rid of good characters for the sake of the plot like that. That said, I don't necessarily think that Sirius *can't* be cleared after his death. It all the more likely that he will be, considering that the Ministry now knows he was in the Department of Mysteries "fighting the good fight". Valerie From rsteph1981 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 15:51:16 2003 From: rsteph1981 at yahoo.com (Rebecca Stephens) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP my first thoughts (SPOILERS) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030622155116.84512.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> --- SprSun wrote: > Everyone gets to rant a bit right? > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Percy Wesley: I can't forget his pale face when he > embraced Ron in > GoF after Ron was saved from the lake. He *has* to > be spying for > Dumbledore or something! I am so with you there. > Aunt Petunia: She took me totally by surprise. Hope > there'll be more > about her in the next book. It seems she does want > to keep her > sister's child alive. Why was she so hostile to > Harry? Was she > jealous of her sister? Dying to find out more. Dumbledore makes it sound as if he spoke to her directly. > Dolores Umbridge: I wish she wasn't so unredeemable. > It was because > of her that Sirius said that words of wisdom: "the > world isn't split > into good people and Death Eaters." But Umbridge is > just too > disgustingly bad to be in a grey zone. She comes out > much worse than > Fudge. You know, she is actually mentally unstable. Has to be. I should have picked up on that earlier - like when she was mutilating detentionees. Still, why didn't Lee tell anyone about it? Rebecca ===== http://wychlaran.tripod.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From debmclain at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 16:42:37 2003 From: debmclain at yahoo.com (Debbie) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:42:37 -0000 Subject: SPOILERS: Fanfics aftermaths In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "professor_monkshood" wrote: > Just thought of a couple possible fanfics types. > > 1. James redemption fics. You know how Snape redemption fic > (especially mixed with a load of LOLLIPOPS) was a favourite after > GoF. We could be seeing mountain loads of James Redemption fics > (this time, mixed with canon Lily's love) once the MWPP crowds get > over the fact that Noble!James was an illusion (at least when he was > fifteen). > > (How things have changed, uh? If any fanfic writers have put the > scene in OoP into their fics two weeks ago, the whole crowd would > have screamed OOC!) > > 2. "Sirius is not dead" fic. The proud ship of DENIAL (or whatever > it is called now) would definitely be a feature in many, many DENIAL > FICS. > > 3. I don't know how anyone can write Canon!Draco anymore. He's not > even interesting. A dull 2-D, flat character that doesn't do > anything. I don't ask for Snape or Sirius's level of interestingness > (?) but he's as exciting as a bowl of flobberworms in OoP. Expect > the Draco crowd to stick with Fanon!Draco. > > Now here's a genuine plot bunny: > > 1. Snape the yoga/meditation teacher. Which was exactly my thought > when I got to the Occlumency chapter. This teaches you to never > pick up Harry Potter after yoga sessions. Would be a cool humour > fic, though I kind of feel guilty doing anything mean to him now. > > Pick up these (forlicking?) plot bunnies if you like them. Go > on ... they won't bite. Me: What really surprised me was how close many of the fanfics came to the real book. Honestly. I haven't read that many really, but the ones I have.....well, I'm reading and I'm thinking "did JK read some of the fanfics?" I'm not saying one fanfic in particular had everything, but the few that I have read had one thing or more that ended up in the story. Hmmm.... -Debbie From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 16:43:19 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:43:19 -0000 Subject: OoP Snape thoughts, was RE: Thoughts In-Reply-To: <007401c338ce$b7bc5f60$a404a6d8@texas.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" wrote: > > > M > > > > A > > > > J > > > > O > > > > R > > > > > > S > > > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > S > > The way James treated Snape was horrible, but > > Snape's treatment of Lily was too! Lily tried to help him, and > > he calls her a filthy mudblood! > > This, again, makes me wonder why that particular memory was the > worst. Either (a) in the part Harry didn't see, the end, they > *did* take his pants off, and more...or (b) it was because Lily > was there, got involved, he insulted her. Snape/Lily is still > viable. I agree. In fact, the whole episode smacks of a secret Lily/Snape relationship in which they're supposed to be presenting an adversarial relationship to the world, and Lily couldn't quite hold herself back and stepped in to stop James' abuse of him. I think Snape's rebuke could have been, in part, because she sort of forgot the role she was supposed to be playing. His calling her a Mudblood in front of other people would certainly be a plausible part of such a charade. And here I thought the Snape/Lily ship would be sunk by OotP! Instead it's even more seaworthy, IMO. --Barb From debmclain at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 16:55:52 2003 From: debmclain at yahoo.com (Debbie) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:55:52 -0000 Subject: OoP: Malfoys Message-ID: Okay. Why did JK put Lucius in jail? Why didn't he escape/disapparate from the MOM and leave the others there? He should have been with Mrs. LeStrange! That would have been great for the next book! I was disappointed with the lack of Draco. He focused more on Ron than Harry. With all the "Is Harry crazy?" stuff, you'd think Draco would have run with that full speed. Instead, he was barely a background character. Maybe she just couldn't fit him in with how long the book was getting. I'm sure we'll hear more about him in the next book, and perhaps with his father in jail, he'll be the angry one. :-) Hmmm... guess my prediction of Lucius becoming Minister of Magic is definitely a no go since he's now in jail. That would have been a GREAT plot device!! Maybe I should call JK and tell her... -Debbie From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 17:21:44 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:21:44 -0500 Subject: OOP: Spoiler: name, Neville, Ron's tea leaves, LOLLIPOPS, SAD DENIAL Message-ID: Spoiler snitches: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * OK. Let no one get the idea that I didn't like OOP. It was an awesome book, a much tighter read than GoF (which, let's face, was just sprawly), had some wonderfully-written and conceived new characters in it, and brought along many of our old characters quite nicely. Since we knew there was going to be a big death, it was a major page-turner and I must have mentally killed off every single character, one by one, throughout the book. Some of them more than once! But....Brian?!? I mean, I ask you. Brian? How Muggle-ish can you get? Re "It could have been Neville"... somebody mentioned yesterday about "Neville Longbottom and the Sorcerer's Stone". What was funny is that I had read that quite a while back on one of these lists. Don't know when or where, but somebody had connected those two for some reason. Also, when Harry gets on the Knight bus in PoA, and they ask his name, the first name that comes to his head is "Neville." Why? He's much closer to Ron, and he has more interaction with many other people through Quidditch, etc., than he does with Neville, at that point in time at least. I don't think we've seen the last of the Neville-Harry connection. Did anybody else get a bad feeling when they read Ron's line about "even if my tea leaves say 'Die, Ron, die!" The whole Morphmagus---Magusmorphism--Mighty Morphin Power Wizard thing is a way too obvious plot device. Since Animaguses have been worked to death, bring on something else! Ten Galleons says a Power Wizard will play a major role in later books. I vote for Dumbledore. Congrats to the LOLLIPOPS people! Although you may argue that the "mudblood" line puts Snape's feelings in doubt, I remember adolescence well enough to know that it makes perfect sense when you're 15. You have a hopeless crush on someone; you know it's hopeless, but you have fantasies of rescuing your crush from something horrible and he/she falling in love with you forever; then you not only get humiliated in front of your crush, but your crush thinks you need help and tries to rescue you. Of course you're horribly rude, so that no one will ever guess your feelings. And when your crush gets angry that you were rude, you can blame him/her and say they weren't worth anything anyway. Re this whole "Snape's Worst Memory" chapter title: I wonder. This can't be the only time Snape was bullied by the two twits. Why did Snape carefully remove it each time, and not, for instance, the memory of him crying as a child? You'd think he wouldn't want Harry to see a weakness like that, but if he really is a heartless rat, he would want Harry to see that his father was not perfect. Weird thought here: Maybe Snape was trying to protect Harry from seeing that, in his own twisted way. I know, I know, Snape has always tried to impress upon Harry that his father was arrogant, etc. But there's a difference between being told it and actually seeing it. Then Snape could have gotten PO'd because Harry bypassed the protection Snape had been trying to give him....again. This is not a pet theory, just a passing thought; feel free to shoot spit balls at it. Last but not least, welcome aboard to everyone who has requested to join the U.S.S. SAD DENIAL (Sirius' Awful Death Didn't End Neatly; It's A Lie!--Acronym courtesy of Tabouli, thanks very much!) Any and all variations welcome: my own, it was clearly specified red light, not green light, so Sirius was not dead when he fell; or the person who fell was Polyjuice!(anybody), or whatever you prefer, so long as it results in Sirius being just sexy, not dead. To the people who are realistic enough to point out JKR's interviews and such...thanks, guys, I know you have good intentions, but the name of the ship is DENIAL. Go look it up. :) Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From andydarley at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jun 22 17:25:48 2003 From: andydarley at yahoo.co.uk (andydarley) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:25:48 -0000 Subject: OoP Snape thoughts, was RE: Thoughts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In fact, the whole episode smacks of a secret Lily/Snape > relationship in which they're supposed to be presenting an > adversarial relationship to the world, and Lily couldn't quite hold > herself back and stepped in to stop James' abuse of him. I think > Snape's rebuke could have been, in part, because she sort of forgot > the role she was supposed to be playing. His calling her a Mudblood > in front of other people would certainly be a plausible part of such > a charade. > > And here I thought the Snape/Lily ship would be sunk by OotP! > Instead it's even more seaworthy, IMO. > > --Barb He's her long-lost brother Perseus! He is, he is! L From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Sun Jun 22 17:32:30 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:32:30 -0000 Subject: Oooh that twisted woman... SPOILERS. Message-ID: ROwling does like to play with our emotions doesn?t she? well, not that it took much, but I?ve got proof that the DENIAL thing would work. * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * yes you guessed, spoiler is coming. * * * 1- sirius is dead and nothing will bring him to live, but- 2- He died right in a chamber in the department of Mysteries And here come?s the great thing--- -when interrogated about ghost and dead, NHNick "I believe learned wizards study the matter [what?s a ghost and so on I presume] in the department of mysteries...." - not that Harry understands the full extent of this statment because it reminded him of the place Sirius had died. -Luna stated that she felt that past that veil she could feel the presence or hear her mother. Yet, this girl is a bit loony. So, here comes the theory: sirius happend to drop dead right inside one of the experiments that where on in the department. We learn from N.H.Nick that there are some investigations going on about ghost in the department. He also said that he wouldn?t have expected Sirius to linger in this "world", and that he must have carried on but- what about he couldn?t? That something about that archway made his spirit or whatever stay? Would he be imprisioned yet again? --> Anyway, if my guesses are close to the true, we won?t see any living sirius anymore (JK stated that she had killed him for good, but N.H. Nick is as dead as him anyway.), but some hints seem to point that we would see more sirius somehow. ^-^ So happy I?ve got a brand new book to theorisize from ^-^ Don?t mind my spell, grammar etc errors, English isn?t my native language. (and took me 19 hours to read the book, I?m a bit slow) Cheers, Alake From bettedavisgreen at aol.com Sun Jun 22 17:38:05 2003 From: bettedavisgreen at aol.com (bettedavisgreen at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:38:05 EDT Subject: OotP - Includes Spoilers - Evening and First read Message-ID: Hello everybody! Took a little over 12 hours to read the Bloomsbury edition. Went to WH Smith in Paris (after walking what felt like the entire city, as my boyfriend told me it was just next to the train station, and I didn't need to take the subway, yeah right...), got there at around 8 pm, and sort of stormed out after midnight, withouth the book (sold in France at 1:01), as I felt the queing was sooooooooooooo unorganized, and a bit of claustrophoibia kicked in. Did get a wand. Bit boring otherwise. After all that walking, I had a blister, and very much welcomed the mismatched socks in my bag. Put them on in the street, people looking at me funny... Didn't sleep all night, too excited with outing, and had bought another book. My boyfriend kept ordering me to bed, so I finally went. At 8 am. To be woken by Chronopost express at 10!!!! The guy actually apologised for waking me up! I couldn't get my eyes off the package! Now, I'd done a couple of calls the day before to both Amazon and Chronopost (like UPS, but belonging to the national post service), and neither managed to confirm date of delivery. So, after storming out of WH Smith, I sort of had come to terms with only getting the book on Monday. Is this enough for spiler and teaser space?... S P O I L E R A H E A D I did manage to put the book down, even to sleep a couple more hours, take a shower, go buy a baguette. I hadn't managed that with GoF. Angry!Harry sort of got on my nerves. Complete change in attitude. Had the feeling not enough was happening, but maybe it was lack of sleep (only first read...). Sirius also got on my nerves. And I don't get much out of the house myself... Had to admire Umbridge, or Jo in describing her all ways. Cats and flowery patterns... Hem hem... Missed Dumbledore, and I think the book misses him too. No Ron and Hermione??? Or any romantich stuff envolving these two and others? Doesn't feel right, especially with Harry's hormones being forced to sort of wake up. Death of Sirius didn't bother me - lack of sleep? him being a bit of a nuisance? Funny though, people who spent years in Azkaban being able to duel. Sort of expected the Dementors to have gotten happy memories from them. But Bellatrix is amazing. The Black house is awesome! Lost prophecy - boring. Maybe because I kept looking for the "It's time I told you everything" bit, and it took so long, and it didn't really rock the world. Well, that one of the two will eventually have to kill the other to survive, it is in the rules of all this bad character good character narrative thing, no? Neville. Wow. It's all in having confidence in yourself. Written in the stars, also... My favourite thing in the book. Ginny also. Myself being little sister of two big brothers, that thing of trying to do their stuff behind their backs, having big bro trying to protect from -bully boyfriends... Could it be possible I'm beginning to like her more than Hermione? And don't you all feel, after years of reading four books in a row, it is soooooooooo weird to finish this one and not have the next one?... Cristina (who really thinks she needs a second read, but whose brain is shutting down...) ******** Bette Davis Green Eyes are watching you!!! http://pageperso.aol.fr/bettedavisgreen/mapage/divers.html HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bettedavisgreen at aol.com Sun Jun 22 17:45:47 2003 From: bettedavisgreen at aol.com (bettedavisgreen at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:45:47 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Oooh that twisted woman... SPOILERS. Message-ID: <1da.c5e6dc8.2c27454b@aol.com> Answer includes the spoiler. Dans un e-mail dat? du 22/06/2003 19:33:58 Paris, Madrid (heure d'?t?), alakefullmoon at yahoo.es a ?crit : > That > something about that archway made his spirit or whatever stay? Would > he be imprisioned yet again? --> YES! My feelings exactly. That archway is way too strange. Death not coming about physically, but in a spiritual, soul like way. Dementors don't kill people, they suck their soul out. Maybe the arch sucks the soul as well, and the body magically disappears someway, never to return or be found. I've read too much of Bernard Werber's... Cristina (who can't really feel Sirius death, and is beiginning to think it's not just because he's disappointed her) ******** Bette Davis Green Eyes are watching you!!! http://pageperso.aol.fr/bettedavisgreen/mapage/divers.html HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From magsthomas at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 17:55:27 2003 From: magsthomas at yahoo.com (Margaret Thomas) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OoP: Focus on the Trio + Ginny + Neville (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: <1056263144.1321.28437.m15@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030622175527.77531.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Having finished myself, and now reading what other people have to say about OoP, would like to turn focus away from the major death for a minute and look closer at happened with the kids...Once the regular HPFGU list reopens, continuation of this discussion belongs over there. > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:01:27 -0000 > From: "mochajava13" > Subject: Re: OoP: My review (SPOILERS!) > > > > I > > > > H > > O > > P > > E > > > > Y > > O > > U > > > > H > > A > > V > > E > > > > F > > I > > N > > I > > S > > H > > E > > D > > > > O > > R > > > > Y > > O > > U > > ' > > L > > L > > > > B > > E > > > > S > > O > > R > > R > > Y [SNIP] > > Ron and Hermione, Prefects? Rock! Well, at least > > Dumbledore explained why he didn't make Harry > one..and > > he was d*mn right. > Hmm, I thought it a little bit of a stretch that Ron > was made a > prefect and not another Griffindor boy. > Dumbledore > was right for > not making Harry one. And most of the students > thought he was > unhinged for more than half the year, how effective > could he have > been? Is it just me, or do Ron & Ginny both seem to get the shaft in discussion on this list in terms of what they're "capable of"? Not only on this list, but from Harry (Hermione, too, in Ron's case) in some respects...? Will tackle Ron first... WOW! Ron made a Prefect -- was very excited for him and I thought his aversion to disciplining his elder twin brothers was handled very well. I *fully* think Ron had / has it in him for this responsibility -- the only reason I think it would've been interesting for a *different* Gryffindor boy to be made Prefect (agreed on Dean as the next likely candidate) is that one of the roles would've existed outside the Trio. I also think it was right for Harry to have a quick twinge of jealousy / indigation that Ron was made prefect and he wasn't -- even to the point of thinking "I'm more suited to it...it should be me." Harry's arrogance as a character flaw plays a deep deep role in OOP (a discussion that will crop up again, I'm sure). I was relieved to see Harry then give Ron a great deal of support during the Quidditch Team trials and ongoing support as Ron struggled with his Keeper abilities. But to see Hermione *assume* that the badge is Harry's -- and then stumble when she learns it's Ron's... Ouch. Just plain Ouch. Let's give Ron some credit, here! Harry may be the Boy-Who-Lived, but he's continually more reckless than Ron ever is -- I think *Ron* always was the better Prefect candidate, regardless of how much weight Dumbledore thinks is on Harry's shoulders. Yes, going into OoP, the public at large think Harry's unhinged. That aside, Harry already exudes adequate influence on his fellow Gryffindors (for better or worse) just by being him. How many fellow students (in and out of Gryffindor) would've become fairly stroppy / annoyed after taking Prefect orders from the Boy-Who-Lived (talk about other students perceiving "Big Head Boy" syndrome)? Ron may have some internal demons he's fighting (youngest Weasley brother and Harry's Sidekick, for example) but he's a more stable Hogwarts student overall and I think fellow students (peers & older Gryffindors especially) would be more comfortable w/ Ron in the role. RON & QUIDDITCH After that early "Head Boy / Team Captain" vision in the Mirror of Erised, it's healthy (from a character development stance) that Ron has struggled in taking his place on the Quidditch team. What a lot of pressure to have *2* older brothers watching you...and that Slytherin chant...Again, ouch, what a lot of pressure to overcome. What I would've given to be on the Quidditch Pitch while Ron did his thing in the final match instead of following Hermione / Harry into the Forbidden Forest! Am glad we got to hear Ron relive it and also experience his euphoria. Here again, though, I was a bit disturbed at Harry / Hermione thinking that Ron would continue to stumble, that Angelina might kick him off the team. GO ANGELINA for seeing something in Ron, for evaluating him not only on skill but on his ability to add to the team overall, and for continuing to work with him. (And how cool was it that, even though brief, Angelina succeeded Wood as Captain?) GINNY First, Ginny & Quidditch. I'm surprised no one's said anything about Ginny taking on the Seeker role after Harry was banned. GO GINNY! And to have her pretty matter-of-factly say she's interested in pursuing Chaser next year, since she likes that better anyway. Can we say versatility? Can we say that big brothers -- and many other characters -- have underestimated what Ginny's capable of doing / thinking / contributing? All along, I've thought some listers have been pretty hard on Ginny (and this is outside the SHIP universe). So she's younger...so she's got a crush...so she's *growing up* and going through awkward phases -- don't we all?!! Just because she's had a bad case of Hero Worship doesn't mean she won't snap out of it and move on. And boy, did she ever move on! Acted pretty d*mn casual about the boyfriend overall, which really emphasized that her life has continued outside Harry's radar. LOVED the fact that she's had a dating relationship that Ron and Harry both were oblivious to. LOVED that it took Harry a while to think actively about the fact that Ginny was no longer nervous around him -- and that he actually did think about it (some boys, especially after being the target of the Hero Worship, would remain oblivious). LOVED that people -- Harry included -- were surprised when Angelina named Ginny the replacement Seeker (yay! Harry's starring role on the team gets taken by GINNY :D). LOVED that Ginny got very ticked off at Harry being so self-involved that he failed to remember that he could've talked to her about being possessed by Voldemort. LOVED that she (and Neville) kicked butt in their D.A. practices -- and that Ginny switched the meaning of D.A. on Cho. LOVED that she pointed out, when Harry tried to say she was too young to go find Sirius, that she was already 3 years older than he was when he first confronted Voldemort. GO GINNY! You're a *WEASLEY* in the true tradition of Bill, Charlie, the Twins *and* Ron (think Wizards Chess) -- though that Percy needs a Come-to-Merlin experince :p (Oh, and I also loved that Ginny used to swipe her brothers' Quidditch brooms when they weren't looking :D) I also was pleased to see that, when he wasn't being so self-centered, Harry *did* talk with Ginny as a peer. Now there's that little twist JKR slipped in at the end, where Cho is now dating Ginny's *ex*-boyfriend. Ginny didn't seem too broken up over it -- seemed rather disgusted that her ex had been so childish about the Gryffindor win over Ravenclaw (and as Seeker, she would've played a role in the final score). > Seventh, I remember Professor Dumbledore saying in > CoS that stronger > wizards/witches than Ginny had been fooled by Lord > V.....and so it > goes that Harry, who is not invulnerable or > omnisicient, gets fooled > also...JKR's character development is really > wonderful.... This hadn't occurred to me during my first read, but bravo for pointing it out! :) [SNIP] > Sixth, GO NEVILLE GO! I'm REALLY happy to see > Neville begin to come > into his own, to learn the DADA, to fight, what a > great kid he's > turning into....the scene in the hospital was very > compelling... > Yes, Neville (and Molly's Boggart experience) is really what tugged at my heartstrings the most. Like Ron, he's come into his own. When he yelled at Bellatrix Lestrange, saying he *knew* the role she'd played in his parents' injuries -- lots of repression that finally got released (to some degree -- I think he let a lot loose in his determination during his determination in D.A. practice). And that Droobles Best Blowing Gum wrapper *sniff* ;( Could go into a lot more re: Neville, but my husband is saying, "let's go already!" :} :) One last comment about the Trio -- loved Hermione's "Let's Trick Umbridge" ruse and the looks of shock she received from her compadres before they realized what she was up to! :D Go Hermione! :) Ok, done, but I hope this will open more discussion on the kids :) - Mags __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From metslvr19 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 18:02:25 2003 From: metslvr19 at yahoo.com (Laura) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:02:25 -0000 Subject: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't read ahead unless you want to know who died... H U G E S P O I L E R A H E A D Terry James wrote: > > > I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of Sirius). I formally request registration papers and all necessary documentation to launch my own theory craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. SIND (Sirius is NOT Dead!) until someone can come up with a name that fits the acronym DENIAL. This ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius is not dead, just waiting beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and Lupin said he's dead; both of them have made major mistakes before. > > > Laura: Yes, yes, thank you. Here's what threw me off: what's with the veil? It's never really explained. Besides the fact that Bellatrix hit him with what was described as a RED beam of light (read: NOT green). Sure, thanks JKR, just go an confuse us all. Then he falls "behind" this veil. This same veil is in the... [*Laura gets overly excited as she refers to OOP for the very first time to make a canon point because she can't quite remember the exact phrase, having read it at about 3:30 this morning]....Death Chamber. Now isn't that uplifting? So my question is- what is behind/in/whatever this veil? Why is it in the Death Chamber? I want details! *deep breath* Honestly, the tears didn't start coming until Dumbledore was explaining things to a raging Harry, because JKR conveniently never told us that he died. Well, not exactly. I don't like having to infer my deaths, thank you. -Laura From rvotaw at i-55.com Sun Jun 22 18:05:20 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:05:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP spoiler bet you missed that. References: Message-ID: <012101c338e8$defb11b0$d5a1cdd1@RVotaw> T H I S H A S A B I G S P O I L E R I N I T B E W A R E > Hi Valky here wondering why so many people are so sure Harry or > Voldemort could just murder the other as simply as a duel. > Have we forgotten THEIR WANDS DONT WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER. > The prophecy says one will murder the other. Their wands work fine on each other. How else could Voldemort have crucioed Harry twice in the graveyard? It's only if the wands are forced to do battle and curses are uttered at exactly the same moment that there is a problem. Another thing about wands, how about Harry, without touching his wand, saying Lumos and it lighting up? That's cool. And I think that's a hint at his power with wandless magic again. And Neville had his father's wand? That's odd. Why? They don't seem particularly poor. Not like they couldn't afford one. Was it his Gran's attempt to try and help Neville be more powerful? Since his father was a powerful wizard? Neville's improved a lot this year, but now that he will have to get a new wand, will he be even better with a REAL wand, meant for him? Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rsteph1981 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 18:25:54 2003 From: rsteph1981 at yahoo.com (Rebecca Stephens) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OoP: Focus on the Trio + Ginny + Neville (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: <20030622175527.77531.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030622182554.57854.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> --- Margaret Thomas wrote: > > Having finished myself, and now reading what other > people have to say about OoP, would like to turn > focus > away from the major death for a minute and look > closer > at happened with the kids...Once the regular HPFGU > list reopens, continuation of this discussion > belongs > over there. > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:01:27 -0000 > > From: "mochajava13" > > Subject: Re: OoP: My review (SPOILERS!) > > > > > > > I > > > > > > H > > > O > > > P > > > E > > > > > > Y > > > O > > > U > > > > > > H > > > A > > > V > > > E > > > > > > F > > > I > > > N > > > I > > > S > > > H > > > E > > > D > > > > > > O > > > R > > > > > > Y > > > O > > > U > > > ' > > > L > > > L > > > > > > B > > > E > > > > > > S > > > O > > > R > > > R > > > Y > > But to see Hermione *assume* that the badge is > Harry's > -- and then stumble when she learns it's Ron's... > Ouch. Just plain Ouch. Let's give Ron some credit, > here! Harry may be the Boy-Who-Lived, but he's > continually more reckless than Ron ever is -- I > think > *Ron* always was the better Prefect candidate, > regardless of how much weight Dumbledore thinks is > on > Harry's shoulders. Well, Harry was holding the badge when she came in, wasn't he? But, even if he wasn't, everyone thought it would be Harry. And, to be fair, he has accomplished some amazing feats. And even if he hadn't, people would still be hung on the boy-who-lived thing. > LOVED that Ginny got very ticked off at Harry being > so > self-involved that he failed to remember that he > could've talked to her about being possessed by > Voldemort. LOVED that she (and Neville) kicked butt > in their D.A. practices -- and that Ginny switched > the > meaning of D.A. on Cho. LOVED that she pointed out, > when Harry tried to say she was too young to go find > Sirius, that she was already 3 years older than he > was > when he first confronted Voldemort. Oh, yes. I loved this. He deserved it. Oh, and did anyone else wonder why Harry wouldn't have picked Ginny from DA? I understand Neville, he's never been the strongest fighter, and Luna's a bit strange and he doesn't know her well. But why not Ginny? Was some weakness of hers described in the practice sessions that I missed. I know why Ron wouldn't pick, but why wouldn't Harry? Rebecca ===== http://wychlaran.tripod.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From cbeme001 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 18:38:24 2003 From: cbeme001 at yahoo.com (Camille) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:38:24 -0000 Subject: OOP Spoiler - Question about ch1 Message-ID: S P O I L E R A L E R T Ok, in chapter 1 when the Dementers came after Harry and Dudley, Harry said the Lumos spell while looking for his wand. The wand lit enabling him to fine it nearby. If one can't do magic without a wand why did the spell work while Harry wasn't holding his wand? Was it because it was nearby? I need ideas... anyone? CBeMe From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 18:44:14 2003 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:44:14 -0000 Subject: Question - OOP spoiler Message-ID: s p o i l e r I have a question. Did Snape mention to Umbridge that he had been teaching at Hogwarts for fourteen years, or am I imagining things (which is very possible too :)) If yes, it means he came to Hogwarts right after Voldemort killed Potters. One more evidence in support of Severus being the spy who alerted Dumbledore about the attack? Alla From rvotaw at i-55.com Sun Jun 22 18:51:41 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:51:41 -0500 Subject: OOP Spoilers--my defense of Harry (long!) Message-ID: <014d01c338ef$520786b0$d5a1cdd1@RVotaw> S p o i l e r s p a c e lots of spoilers below First, I find it quite shocking that anyone would not think Harry has every right to be as angry as he was. He has more highs and lows in this book alone than anyone should have to endure. The highs are pretty high, but the lows are, oh, I don't know, at the bottom of a bottomless lake. Personally, I'd have yelled and screamed a lot more, at a lot of different people. Let's face it, start with the beginning, he's been stuck with the Dursleys for a month, not one word worth hearing from any of his friends. Most of the WW is in denial. Harry feels lost, isolated, and in a way, abandoned. I think what upset him most in Ron and Hermione's letters wasn't that they didn't tell him anything, but that they were together, they were busy, and here he is, the one who has risked his neck so many times fighting Voldemort already, stuck in a flowerbed trying to hear news. It's not like became angry overnight, he sat at the Dursleys dwelling on all of this for a month. He can't go to sleep without having nightmares about Cedric dying over and over again. Then, he finally uses magic, to save himself and Dudley, and what does he get? Practically yelled at by his friends. Bad little boy, don't move, use no magic. Right. And if the dementors come back, then what? Let them have him? I don't think so. I know everyone was paniced and in a rush, but Harry was paniced too. Then he finally gets out of there, and people have to have a fight over whether or not he should know anything. Yes, he's fifteen. But he's a very old fifteen. Then let's move along, back to Hogwarts. First, he's got DADA with a person who he knows wanted him expelled. Who's calling him a liar. I'd probably blow up at her a few times too. Actually, he handled his temper quite well. And good old McGonagall. Gave him cookies. :) Then there's Dumbledore. In the end it's understood why, but I was as frustrated as Harry for a while there. Wouldn't speak to him, wouldn't look at him, it was easy for Harry to misinterpret that. He felt like Dumbledore no longer believed in him. I'd be angry too if the one person I thought I would always trust and be safe with suddenly wouldn't speak to me. Then there are these dreams. One of the reviews said this book didn't have the grisly, disturbing scenes that GoF did. Well, maybe I'm off my rocker, but if the "dream" about Arthur wasn't distrubing, nothing was. Of course, I guess it's a combination of it being Arthur, the blood, the panic Harry was in, Harry thrashing around, the boys in his dorm trying to figure out what to do, waking him up, scar hurting, throwing up, trying to get his point across . . . I'd say it was disturbing. Well, I won't detail every reason Harry had to be angry, but quite frankly, he had every right to be. Sure, it's not always fun for the friends who happen to be there and get it taken out on them, but that's how life works. Generally those who get yelled at are simply the only ones available to take out ones frustration on. So lets move on to the end. Sirius dies. I think he's dead. Dead. JKR said it already, the person was definitely dead. So if he's not she's lied at some point. Either by saying he's definitely dead, or previously by saying no one could be brought back from the dead in the WW. And Harry goes after his killer. He tries to use the worst curse he can think of, the Cruciatus curse. However, I say tries because he doesn't accomplish what the Cruciatus is intended for. He doesn't cause her much pain. Knocks her off her feet, but she gets right back up. Now, notice what she tells him. "You need to really want to cause pain--to enjoy it--righteous anger won't hurt me for long." So here's Harry, angrier than he's ever been, wanting revenge, yet he really doesn't WANT to cause pain, he can't enjoy inflicting pain. Then there's the final scene in Dumbledore's office. The closest person Harry had to family is dead. He's emotionally traumatized, he's angry, he's confused. He was lured into a trap because of his own goodness. Yes, that's what I call it, goodness. Willing to risk himself to save others. Remember, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville, and Luna didn't have to go with him. They chose to go. Anyway, fourteen years worth of confusion, pain, sadness, and anger all come out at once. And Dumbledore handled it very well. He let Harry yell, he let him scream, he let him get it out. He let Harry throw things around his office, break things, have his fourteen years worth of temper tantrum. All without blinking an eye, without raising his voice (imagine Snape in that situation--scary thought!). The only thing he didn't let Harry do is run away from it all. Once he'd finished yelling and screaming and throwing things, Dumbledore made him sit down and listen. Whether he wanted to or not, he needed to. And then there's the prophecy. Yes, it would've been a bit hard to tell an eleven year old child that he had to kill Voldemort or be killed by him. And quite frankly, though it would possibly have saved Sirius if he'd known, it would not have done him much good. Why? Well, so long as Voldemort wasn't really alive, he couldn't die. So why worry the kid for nothing, right? At least I guess that's what Dumbledore convinced himself. I really can't say which was the right thing to do. Tough choice. Well, I suppose I'd better wrap this up somehow. Basically, I think Harry had every right to be just as angry as he was. Or more. As for taking it out on his friends, well, true friends will take it just because they know someone has to. I think Harry's true friends have proved their loyalty. It had to get out, and now it is. It took a while, but it's out. He could do with a bit more of a cry, though there was a bit of one by the lake. Still, he is a fifteen year old boy, and that's not a "guy" thing to do. Maybe I understand Harry's feelings because my emotions tend to be more like that. I yell when I'm angry. Some people cry, I yell. I might get to tears eventually, but yelling comes first. Seems like Harry's the same way. Okay, I'm done. Congratulate yourself if you made it this far! :) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:01:13 2003 From: serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com (Serena Moonsilver) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:01:13 -0000 Subject: OOP Spoiler - Question about ch1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Camille" wrote: > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > A > L > E > R > T > > Ok, in chapter 1 when the Dementers came after Harry and Dudley, > Harry said the Lumos spell while looking for his wand. The wand lit > enabling him to fine it nearby. If one can't do magic without a wand > why did the spell work while Harry wasn't holding his wand? Was it > because it was nearby? I need ideas... anyone? > > CBeMe Actually, if you read it carefully, he's groping around on the ground looking for it and finds it--or at least that's what's implied. What I want to know is why this wasn't mentioned amoung the charges at his trial later. From metslvr19 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:01:35 2003 From: metslvr19 at yahoo.com (Laura) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:01:35 -0000 Subject: OoP: Focus on the Trio + Ginny + Neville (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: <20030622182554.57854.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I H O P E Y O U H A V E F I N I S H E D O R Y O U ' L L B E S O R R Y Rebecca wrote: > Oh, and did anyone else wonder why Harry wouldn't have > picked Ginny from DA? I understand Neville, he's > never been the strongest fighter, and Luna's a bit > strange and he doesn't know her well. But why not > Ginny? Was some weakness of hers described in the > practice sessions that I missed. I know why Ron > wouldn't pick, but why wouldn't Harry? Laura: Yes, I know, that really bugged me! Honestly I'm not sure what's up with Luna, she's a very odd character and she ended up playing a fairly large role in the book...it just sort of came out of nowhere, you know? As for Neville, I absolutely loved the character development! It's what I always dreamed of. *sniff* Screaming at a VERY evil DE through a broken nose on the top of his lungs, and then screaming just as loud to Harry to not give up The Prophecy, no matter what she did to him- after he KNEW what was coming, after he'd seen it happen to his parents and knew what it did to them....wow. I am so proud. And Ginny- that was the first thing I noticed, that she bounded into the room and said Hi to Harry without flinching or being nervous at all, and the first OOP thought I had connected to Ginny was, "She's over him." And I was very proud. =) I mean, sure, OBHWF would be great, but would it really stem from a crush at the age 11? And besides everything everyone else said, a few times reference is made to her magical power. George mentions it in the beginning, something about how size doesn't matter, saying something like, "Look at Ginny, and have you ever been on the receiving end of one of her [something] curses?" Then she apparently clobbers Malfoy to escape from Umbridge's office...very good. I love it. Now, everyone's on Harry's case for being so temperamental, and you're probably right, but I must say I'd probably be as bad, if not worse, than he was. I would have had twice as many detentions from Umbridge (ouch!). Also, I honestly don't blame him for all the rages he had at Ron and Hermione and sometimes even Dumbledore. I realize it's a flaw, but I really can't blame him after all that he'd been through and the way he was treated. (But maybe that's just because I myself would have been 10 times as bad) Finally, I really don't see why everyone is blaming him for his "playing the hero" characteristic. He'd seen the snake attack Mr. Weasley and he was right, and then he saw Voldemort attacking Sirius. What would you have done? Sirius was the closest thing he had to a family. Maybe if Dumbledore had told him that LV might try to trick him, then maybe I would see a problem with it. Of course, Hermione spotted it, but then again, is there anything besides Ron's infatuation with her that she *doesn't* notice? (And there's actually no reason to think she doesn't notice that either). I really and truly cannot fault Harry for running to Sirius's aid. And finally, onto the dark stuff. I remember, awhile back, in what seemed to be a past life back before OOP, we were discussing deaths and Lupin's name came up. And someone said something to the effect that Lupin has been through enough already, and they didn't think JKR would kill him because his life was so tragic already, that it would almost be overkill. If that were true, I honestly think she would have been kinder to just kill him off. Think about it- a werewolf, shunned his whole life, and how he's lost all 3 of this only real friends- all to Voldemort. Talk about Comfort-Hurt. Or Hurt-Comfort. Or whatever it is that Cindy's always going on about. (At least, I think its Cindy). Anyway, those were my frist impressions of OOP. And one last thing: I hated it. By which I mean, it was an absolutely amazing book and I hated almost everything that happened overall- from Dumbledore's mistakes to Sirius's death to Harry being left out and James's arrogance and everything else. My saving graces were Neville and Ginny. And the Gryffindor version of "Weasly is our King" which almost made me cry with happiness. =) -Laura P.S. And oh yeah- Fred and George's dramatic exit. *huge grin* I really think it was the students who came through in the book. From metslvr19 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:05:17 2003 From: metslvr19 at yahoo.com (Laura) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:05:17 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" wrote: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > > > Erm. FLINT? > > In Chapter 28 -- and a big shout-out to Pip, btw, on her "Harry Has TWO Parents" > post; that looks like a good call! -- why is Chaser!James playing with a Snitch in the > first place? Laura: Very, very good point. and one thing that bugged me- How did Harry get the map back??? -Laura From clio44a at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:05:57 2003 From: clio44a at yahoo.com (clio44a) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:05:57 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" wrote: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > > > Erm. FLINT? > > In Chapter 28 -- and a big shout-out to Pip, btw, on her "Harry Has TWO Parents" > post; that looks like a good call! -- why is Chaser!James playing with a Snitch in the > first place? > > > Derannimer Well, maybe it is cooler to play around with a snitch than with a quaffle (wouldn't fit into your pocket anyways). What strikes me as a flint is Mr. Rookwoods name. Don't know if someone mentioned it already. In GoF, The Pensieve, p641 (British paperback edition), Crouch calls him Augustus Rookwood. OoP, Ch.25, The Beetle at bay, p481 (British hardcover edition), the Daily Prophet calls him Algernon Rookwood. And also, did you guys see how Harry just pulled the Marauders Map from his pocket, after all the time people on HPFGU spent discussing where it had gone? Clio From triner918 at aol.com Sun Jun 22 19:07:05 2003 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:07:05 -0000 Subject: OOP: Spoiler: , SAD DENIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Terry wrote > Spoiler snitches: > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > > Last but not least, welcome aboard to everyone who has requested to join the U.S.S. SAD DENIAL (Sirius' Awful Death Didn't End Neatly; It's A Lie!--Acronym courtesy of Tabouli, thanks very much!) Any and all variations welcome: my own, it was clearly specified red light, not green light, so Sirius was not dead when he fell; or the person who fell was Polyjuice!(anybody), or whatever you prefer, so long as it results in Sirius being just sexy, not dead. Me: In my book it just says "The second jet of light hit him squarely in the chest." The first curse was red, but this second one- -unspecified, so could be AK, but we don't know. Also, I stand by my original theory that the veil is itself Death, so that whatever the curse was, because Sirius fell through it, he is now dead. And dead he will remain. Just my opinion, o'course. BTW, what in the heck does LOLLIPOPS stand for? Trina, who now has another nickname for her sweet Dudley cat: Big D! > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jtdogberry at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 13:17:26 2003 From: jtdogberry at hotmail.com (jtdogberry) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:17:26 -0000 Subject: OOP my first thoughts (SPOILERS) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Turn your eyes now if you haven't read the book!!! T U R N Y O U R E Y E S N O W S P O I L E R S P A C E You were warned! Wow, is my first impression, I finished reading it yesterday so I've had time to dwell and I still seem to have more questions then those answered. I'm keeping it short because pretty much everything has been said. One small problem I had was I lost the sense of time, Halloween was never mentioned and the flow felt a bit choppy but that could be that I had been up since 7am waiting for the post to arrive. Overall, I really liked the way the character have developed and have suprises of their own. Ginny, I love her jokes and the way she has come out of her shell. Neville(yay) proving once and for all that he will never be a Pettigrew! I have so many more question about him and his family in particular Great Uncle Algie. It was so sad the scene with his mother. McGonagall, you've got to love her, I was so worried when she was stunned. She in particular really came out showing her loyalty and commitment to those she cares about. Towards the end, you have a feeling that she has been around Dumbledore too long! Dumbledore at the end, I wanted to cry. Snape, I think that I have finally been conviced to support him. I would like to see him happy, what James did was really awful. I loved the way Harry was so real. His dealing with Cho, the mood swings everything, it made him so beilivable. I really want to give him a hug Lockhart, you had to laugh. It was good to see him again in a way. It was good to see a bit more of Ravenclaw. There is loads more but those are the main points. From honeycakehorse03 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 22 19:10:37 2003 From: honeycakehorse03 at hotmail.com (honeycakehorse03) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:10:37 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "clio44a" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" > wrote: > > S > > > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > > > > > > > Erm. FLINT? > > > > In Chapter 28 -- and a big shout-out to Pip, btw, on her "Harry Has > TWO Parents" > > post; that looks like a good call! -- why is Chaser!James playing > with a Snitch in the > > first place? > > > > > > Derannimer > > > > Well, maybe it is cooler to play around with a snitch than with a > quaffle (wouldn't fit into your pocket anyways). > > What strikes me as a flint is Mr. Rookwoods name. Don't know if > someone mentioned it already. > > In GoF, The Pensieve, p641 (British paperback edition), Crouch calls > him Augustus Rookwood. > > > OoP, Ch.25, The Beetle at bay, p481 (British hardcover edition), the > Daily Prophet calls him Algernon Rookwood. > > > > And also, did you guys see how Harry just pulled the Marauders Map > from his pocket, after all the time people on HPFGU spent discussing > where it had gone? > > Clio Yes! And did somebody notice that the speculation from the mainlist (at least I think so) about Neville's Uncle Algie being Augustus Rookwood, suddenly fits with his new name?? Sabrina From rvotaw at i-55.com Sun Jun 22 19:11:16 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:11:16 -0500 Subject: OOP Spoiler - Question about ch1/ Question - OOP spoiler Message-ID: <002201c338f2$0e692a00$cb9ccdd1@RVotaw> Response to two questions here, one from CBeMe, one from Alla. CBeMe is first, since that one applies only to Chapter one, anyone not wanting to read spoilers past chapter one, stop after the first part (I've added spoiler space between). S P O I L E R A L E R T > Ok, in chapter 1 when the Dementers came after Harry and Dudley, > Harry said the Lumos spell while looking for his wand. The wand lit > enabling him to fine it nearby. If one can't do magic without a wand > why did the spell work while Harry wasn't holding his wand? Was it > because it was nearby? I need ideas... anyone? Serena Moonsilver added: > Actually, if you read it carefully, he's groping around on the > ground looking for it and finds it--or at least that's what's > implied. No, it's not. It's specifically stated that Harry was NOT touching his wand when it lit up. From page 17, US edition: "Lumos" He said the spell automatically, desperate for light to help him in his search--and to his disbelieving relief, light flared inches from his right hand--the wand tip had ignited. Harry snatched it up, scrambled to his feet, and turned around. Harry was not touching the wand or else he wouldn't have had to snatch it up, he'd have simply had to close his hand around it. It was inches from his right hand. He was near it, but not touching it. I think it's another clue at Harry's ability to do wandless magic. He's done it before, even before he knew he was a wizard. I think JKR just dropped that in there to remind us. It's like blowing up Aunt Marge, the cupboard door flying open, unlocking itself, and so on. He seems able to do wandless magic in desperate situations. The example in Chapter 1 is certainly a desperate situation. And now more s p o i l e r s p a c e Alla wrote: > I have a question. Did Snape mention to Umbridge that he had been > teaching at Hogwarts for fourteen years, or am I imagining things > (which is very possible too :)) > If yes, it means he came to Hogwarts right after Voldemort killed > Potters. One more evidence in support of Severus being the spy who > alerted Dumbledore about the attack? Yes, he did say fourteen years. Which means one of two things. One, it means he had already completed fourteen years (and was currently in his fifteenth) at Hogwarts. If that is true, then he started at Hogwarts 2 months before Voldemort was defeated. Or the other option is that Book 5 is Snape's fourteenth year at Hogwarts, which means he started at Hogwarts 10 months *after* Voldemort killed the Potters and disappeared. Personally, as a teacher, I prefer the first choice. I would never tell someone I've been teaching for five years, I'd tell them I'm starting my fifth year of teaching. See what I mean? It's all in how you look at it. But I do think it's evidence of Snape spying for Dumbledore, and I also think that's why didn't go to the Ministry to help. He still can't be found out by the Death Eaters. That, and he was the only one of the Order left at Hogwarts, he couldn't really leave, I guess. But I like to think it's because of his mission, which we still didn't learn about. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:34:23 2003 From: serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com (Serena Moonsilver) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:34:23 -0000 Subject: Chiming in my OOP thoughts! Message-ID: S P O I L E R W A R N I N G Ok, first of all I'm glad I'm not the only one crazy enought to try and read it in a day! That said, I hardly ever put it down, ever took a break--so it became quite an emotional rollercoaster ride for me. That said, here are my first impressions: *The trio no longer a trio? Or rather, while they may remain the core somewhat has the circle finally opened beyond H/H/R? I believe we will see Neville and Ginny (and possibly Luna) be taken into confidence more now that they have proved themselves on this adventure, much in the same way the Hermione finished out the trio in book 1 after the troll fight. Espically with the train ride to/from school with all of them in the same compartment. *Gwarp will return. I'm making this prediction now. *I got one of my predictions right--Harry did get kicked off the Qudditch team. Admittedly, I was half kidding at the time but well... *Speaking of making predictions while kidding--it's been pointed out that Ron as done this before (joking Tom Riddle got his Special Service award my killing Moaning Myrtle comes to mind right away). Anyways, I noticed that he made another one--that his dad would be made Minister of Magic. What do you think? *Sirius--ARRGHH! NO! It's like killing off Harry's remaining family almost--that said, do you think it's possible that Harry and Sirius are related distantly in the same way Sirius is related to the Weasleys and Malfoys. After all, the Potters were pure-bloods. *Glad we finally got Cho out of the way--I admit that's on ship I really didn't want to sail. Still this is very realistic, as teenagers we get crushes on people who are wrong for us, go out with them, and discover they are wrong for us. *What's going to happen to Draco now that his father has been caught? *Was a little disappointed we didn't find our more about Lily and James and the rest of Potters and Evans--mostly would have liked to have known what James and Lily did for a living, what happened to Harry's grandparents on both sides, espically since the whole Voldemort must kill all the Potters theory doesn't seemed to have panned out. And it still doesn't quite explain why Voldemort didn't want to kill Lily except that he did have some inkling of the love protection thing but underestimated it. *Speaking of Evanes--I have a slightly (but not much mind you) higher opinion of Petinuia. Also, another prediction--Dudley is going to get arrested in the next novel. Ok, I've babbled long enough. Just needed to get some of that out! Serena From serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:38:56 2003 From: serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com (Serena Moonsilver) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:38:56 -0000 Subject: OOP Spoiler - Question about ch1/ In-Reply-To: <002201c338f2$0e692a00$cb9ccdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > A > L > E > R > T > > > Ok, in chapter 1 when the Dementers came after Harry and Dudley, > > Harry said the Lumos spell while looking for his wand. The wand lit > > enabling him to fine it nearby. If one can't do magic without a wand > > why did the spell work while Harry wasn't holding his wand? Was it > > because it was nearby? I need ideas... anyone? > > Serena Moonsilver added: > > > Actually, if you read it carefully, he's groping around on the > ground > looking for it and finds it--or at least that's what's > implied. > > No, it's not. It's specifically stated that Harry was NOT touching his wand > when it lit up. From page 17, US edition: > > "Lumos" He said the spell automatically, desperate for light to help > him in his search--and to his > disbelieving relief, light flared inches from his right hand-- the wand > tip had ignited. Harry snatched it up, > scrambled to his feet, and turned around. > Yes, I have it here now. Read the line above that (from pg 17): Harry muttered frantically, his hands flying over the ground like spiders. "Where's--wand--come on--Lumos!" It implies that he was seacrhing while speaking and as soon as his hand came on his wand he yelled Lumos. I just noticed it--notice that Harry's hand are compared to spiders, just like Voldermorts. From serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:46:46 2003 From: serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com (Serena Moonsilver) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:46:46 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Nia" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, RSFJenny19 at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/21/2003 8:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > terryljames at h... writes: > > > > > > I watched the Dateline interview JKR did with Katie Couric and she > had > > something to say on the subject. Scroll down if you want to see: > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ; > > ok, Katie asked JKR if Harry and Hermione would be snogging > (kissing) in the > > book and JKR said something to the effect of "Harry and Hermione? > No, Ron and > > Hermione, maybe." I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a > transcript, but her > > tone was one of surprise over the H|H question, and answered as if > she were > > correcting Katie on which SHIP would eventually sail. > > Me: > > I cannot see JKR freely discussing such major plot points as > eventual relationships in such an offhanded manner. I think JKR was > alluding to the scene in OoP where we see Hermione kissing Ron on > the cheek, which was very sweet, but hardly conclusive. > Loved the book, BTW! > --Nia I agree--didn't at one point JKR say we would never see Lockhart again either? Or was that another one of those things she never said but everyone thinks she did? Serena From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:51:39 2003 From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:51:39 -0000 Subject: OOP: Chapter 1 - Dudley's Bullying Message-ID: Hi, First off- loved the book, but loved most of the parts and developments everyone else did so I'm not going to go on about it yet. However, when I read the first chapter I was certaint that JKR was going to set us up to meet a new first year on the Hogwarts Express. Harry asks Dudley who he has been beating up: "Another 10 year old? I know you did Mark Evans two nights ago--" I thought Harry might meet some distant branch of his mother's family that Petunia had kept him from. But no... A Goldfeesh (who loved her writing style in this one- and was also thinking of the upheavals in the fanfic world and on HPFGU. *Unfogging the Inner Eye I see another bully thread in the future*) From serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 19:57:46 2003 From: serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com (Serena Moonsilver) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:57:46 -0000 Subject: OOP. Lockhearts return In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I agree--didn't at one point JKR say we would never see Lockhart > again either? Or was that another one of those things she never said > but everyone thinks she did? > > Serena Ok to answer my own question, I went and got this off of quick quotes from the floo network: People on the internet want to know if Gilderoy Lockhart is going to come back. Gilderoy Lockhart, bless him, is currently residing in St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries and his memory is still gone. So at the moment, he's in no fit state to go anywhere. Which I think serves him right. You didn't quite answer the question as to whether he will be back or not. Yeah, well, you know, you've got to sometimes dodge these things Me: Ok, so she didn't say he wasn't coming back. Sorry, never mind! Serena From metslvr19 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 20:05:39 2003 From: metslvr19 at yahoo.com (Laura) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:05:39 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E Clio writes: > > > What strikes me as a flint is Mr. Rookwoods name. Don't know if someone mentioned it already. In GoF, The Pensieve, p641 (British paperback edition), Crouch calls him Augustus Rookwood. OoP, Ch.25, The Beetle at bay, p481 (British hardcover edition), the Daily Prophet calls him Algernon Rookwood. > > > Sabrina writes: > > > Yes! And did somebody notice that the speculation from the mainlist (at least I think so) about Neville's Uncle Algie being Augustus Rookwood, suddenly fits with his new name?? > > > Laura: Um, sorry to dissapoint, but my US version (pg. 543) refers to him as Augustus. (As does the GoF US version) And all this US-UK switching stuff around is starting to get on my nerves. *grumble* -Laura From ewdotson at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 22 20:05:59 2003 From: ewdotson at sbcglobal.net (ewdotson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:05:59 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "clio44a" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" > wrote: > > S > > > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > > > [snip > > What strikes me as a flint is Mr. Rookwoods name. Don't know if > someone mentioned it already. > > In GoF, The Pensieve, p641 (British paperback edition), Crouch calls > him Augustus Rookwood. > > > OoP, Ch.25, The Beetle at bay, p481 (British hardcover edition), the > Daily Prophet calls him Algernon Rookwood. > For what it's worth, chapter 25, pg. 543 (US harcover addition) has the Daily Prophet referring to him as Austustus Rookwood. I'm inclined to suspect that if the British version refers to him as Algernon, it's more likely a mistake in that version, but I've been known to be wrong. Once or twice. ;) From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 22 20:10:05 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:10:05 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: The Main List has re-opened and Canon Discussion should move back to it Message-ID: Greetings from bleary-eyed Hexquarters! The Main List is now open again and your sleep-deprived Admin Team wishes to remind you that all OoP canon discussion must be moved back to the Main List. Don't forget that the Spoiler Policy is still in place! Any donations of butterbeer, chocolate eclairs, or very strong coffee would be appreciated. Now let the discussions continue! The Admin Team, snoozing in the corner From ewdotson at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 22 20:13:48 2003 From: ewdotson at sbcglobal.net (ewdotson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:13:48 -0000 Subject: Chiming in my OOP thoughts! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Serena Moonsilver" wrote: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > W > > A > > R > > N > > I > > N > > G > > > Ok, first of all I'm glad I'm not the only one crazy enought to try > and read it in a day! > > That said, I hardly ever put it down, ever took a break--so it became > quite an emotional rollercoaster ride for me. That said, here are > my first impressions: > > > *Speaking of making predictions while kidding--it's been pointed out > that Ron as done this before (joking Tom Riddle got his Special > Service award my killing Moaning Myrtle comes to mind right away). > Anyways, I noticed that he made another one--that his dad would be > made Minister of Magic. What do you think? > [snip] Here's a thought for you about odd predictions that Ron may have been right about. How about the bit where Ron suggests that maybe Snape is actually trying to open Harry's mind to V? (Of course, Ron would have Snape's motives wrong, but...) Granted, Dumbledore's talk with Harry at the end of the book would seem to disallow it, but it seemed to likely reading it that I'm not entirely convinced that strengthening Harry's bond with V wasn't preciesly what Dumbledore had in mind when he asked Snape to give Harry Occlumency lessons. Perhaps I've just been dwelling on MAGIC DISHWASHER a bit too much. ^_^ ewdotson (I'm going to remember to start signing my posts. Honest, Admins, I swear! ;) From clio44a at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 20:28:22 2003 From: clio44a at yahoo.com (clio44a) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:28:22 -0000 Subject: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ewdotson" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "clio44a" > wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" > > wrote: > > > S > > > > > > P > > > > > > O > > > > > > I > > > > > > L > > > > > > E > > > > > > R > > > > > > > > > > > [snip > > > > > What strikes me as a flint is Mr. Rookwoods name. Don't know if > > someone mentioned it already. > > > > In GoF, The Pensieve, p641 (British paperback edition), Crouch > calls > > him Augustus Rookwood. > > > > > > OoP, Ch.25, The Beetle at bay, p481 (British hardcover edition), > the > > Daily Prophet calls him Algernon Rookwood. > > > > For what it's worth, chapter 25, pg. 543 (US harcover addition) has > the Daily Prophet referring to him as Austustus Rookwood. I'm > inclined to suspect that if the British version refers to him as > Algernon, it's more likely a mistake in that version, but I've been > known to be wrong. Once or twice. ;) Really? I just rechecked my book. The quote is on page 480 not 481 (British version, but it really says that the caption underneath the picture in the Daily Prohet is Algernon Rookwood. How curious. Should the American editors be better than the British? Clio From marc.nguyen at greenheck.com Sun Jun 22 20:35:03 2003 From: marc.nguyen at greenheck.com (Nguyen, Marc) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:35:03 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OOP Spoilers--my defense of Harry (long!) Message-ID: <61E2AF8C78F2D211B0B70008C7F921D50DAF4839@orion2.greenops.com> S p o i l e r s p a c e lots of spoilers below Richelle wrote: Then there's the final scene in Dumbledore's office. The closest person Harry had to family is dead. He's emotionally traumatized, he's angry, he's confused. He was lured into a trap because of his own goodness. Yes, that's what I call it, goodness. Willing to risk himself to save others. Remember, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville, and Luna didn't have to go with him. I(Marc) add my comments: I mostly agree with your defence of Harry, but he does go overboard at times, and he knows it. He does have a very wide pride streak. The one thing I disagree with is the comment above. I don't think he was lured by his "goodness", but rather his stupidity. "Hermy" was right on with her deduction, and I think most readers might have guessed it too. Was I the only one screaming in my head for Harry to use the mirror that Sirius gave him instead of the fireplace? Marc From marc.nguyen at greenheck.com Sun Jun 22 21:07:17 2003 From: marc.nguyen at greenheck.com (Nguyen, Marc) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:07:17 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] OOP : My thoughts (SPOILERS) Message-ID: <61E2AF8C78F2D211B0B70008C7F921D50DAF483A@orion2.greenops.com> S P O I L E R S P A C E F O R H A R R Y P O T T E R F I V E : O O T P When I got to B&N and saw that the whole parking lot was full, I knew I was in trouble. In a small town in central WI, we had 1000 people waiting for the book. Did any one else not like B&N's color flyer scheme for handing out the books? It would have been ok if you knew that was how they were going to handle it, but never-the-less, I was able to "cheat" and obtain a early colored flyer from a very nice lady who had 2. I only had to wait 1 hour, so I was able to start my reading at 1:30AM, and finished by 1:30pm. I loved most people's reviews and I would be repeating most of the earlier posts, so I will just make some comments if anyone cares to read. The Umbridge character was written very well and yes, she will probably be THE most hated character, maybe only Percy will top her if he does not reform. It was wonderful to see Neville and Ginny evolve, I do wonder if the trio will be no more now and it'll be the DA group instead, although will Harry want to share his most inner thoughts and pains with more people? Some people wrote that Lupin didn't show enough emotion over Sirius. I thought so too until I reread that part of the book. There were 2 references to him taking Sirius's death hard. It was right when he had to do the counter-curse for Neville. I also think it is not in Lupin's personlity to show too much emotion. I just hope he can step up to the plate and be there for Harry in the future. Harry used an unforgivable, wow! but I was wondering, even though he didn't do it correctly, how did he know how to do it? It usually takes him a lot of pratice to get a spell right. Speaking of curses, I find it hard to beleive that most of the DEs did not use the AK curse on the kids. Some were, but even the ones that did use it, it was not the main curse that they used, I wonder why? too much strength to cast it maybe? Even Tom didn't always use it against Dumbledore. I liked it that dumbledore called him Tom, I think that DA group should use that name in reference to Voldemort now. Bella Lestrange...wow! is she more powerful then L. Malfoy? Even Sirius could not take her, although I think he was trying to "milk" the battle and was too cocky. I liked the prophecy, now we know why Dumbledore doesn't just go and kill Tom, he can't do it! Marc From nethilia at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 22:20:30 2003 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OoP: Book marking (spoiler) Message-ID: <20030622222030.3759.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> My book has officially been marked. Last night, as my boyfriend was finishing up, he got a nosebleed. He pulled away, so it didn't get all over the page, but it did drip. Didn't mess the pages up that badly. I just find it most ironic that the mark is on (in my American Edition) p. 848--where everyone is talking in the infirmary. --Neth ===== http://www.spenecial.com Spenecial*com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. "When I see a burning cross, the first thought in my head is most likely not, 'I could really go for a cold refreshing beverage right now!' " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From cynnie36 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 22:26:27 2003 From: cynnie36 at yahoo.com (yinland thebest) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP Major spoiler: I wanna ship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030622222627.16727.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com> SPOILERS>>>>>>>> I think dear Siruis is gone forever as well. He was my first choice for death in this book, and I only went with my gut instinct on that...seeing how JKR managed to make Sirius a major character in our hearts without truly bringing him into the books fully like Hagrid or Dumbledore. (Sort of like she has done with Lupin this time around! Yikes!) Which leads me to speculate... Did our young Snape (or perhaps when he was a deatheater) put a death curse on our Marauders? James, now Sirius have been killed and it doesn't look too great for Wormtail's future either, especially when he didn't even get a cameo in this book. Makes one wonder...and I've also been wondering...just what DID those Centaurs do with Ms. Nastyface Umbridge whilst in the woods??? --- cheesycrustie wrote: > I'm truly sorry but I think Siruis's death is > irrevocable. Here's the > evidence from the Jeremy Paxman Interview with JK > Rowling: > > JEREMY PAXMAN: And is there going to be a death in > this book? > > JK ROWLING: Yes. A horrible, horrible > > JEREMY PAXMAN: A horrible death of a significant > figure. > > JK ROWLING: Yeah. I went into the kitchen having > done it.... > > JEREMY PAXMAN: What, killed this person? > > JK ROWLING: Yeah. Well I had re-written the death, > re-written it and > that was it. It was definitive. And the person was > definitely dead. > And I walked into the kitchen crying and Neil said > to me, "What on > earth is wrong?" and I said, "Well, I've just killed > the person". > Neil doesn't know who the person is. But I said, > "I've just killed > the person. And he said, "Well, don't do it then." I > thought, a > doctor you know....and I said "Well it just doesn't > work like that. > You are writing children's books, you need to be a > ruthless killer." > > I furthur quote from the above that JK Rowling has > said that "the > person was definitely dead". So, though U.S.S. SIND > may sail > valiantly in TBAY, I think it'll never see Sirius > resurface again. > Forgive me if I sound too harsh? > > Iola > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Terry > James" > wrote: > > > > I totally refuse to accept the DOS (Death of > Sirius). I formally > request > > registration papers and all necessary > documentation to launch my > own theory > > craft, to be provisionally christened the U.S.S. > SIND (Sirius is > NOT Dead!) > > until someone can come up with a name that fits > the acronym > DENIAL. This > > ship will be dedicated to the theory that Sirius > is not dead, just > waiting > > beyond the veil to be rescued. So Dumbledore and > Lupin said he's > dead; both > > of them have made major mistakes before. > > > > If allowed to sail, this ship will cruise TBAY > proudly, > optimistically and > > determinedly, riding out all storms and holding > out hope until the > end of > > Book 7. If, at that time, the ship encounters the > iceberg of an > unhappy > > ending, then the captain and any surviving crew or > passengers will > valiantly > > climb aboard a floating door, turn it into a > Portkey, and (I've > forgotten > > the correct term!) "teleport" to an alternate HP > universe where > SIND. > > Denial is not just a river in Egypt. > > > > Terry LJ (now rambling, possibly hallucinating) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection > with MSN 8. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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I am the owner of a NEW Harry Potter Online Community!! and I want YOU to come and be part of it!! here are some of the many things we have!! the URL is: http://invisionfree.com/forums/Hogwartz or http://www.hogwartzforum.cjb.net -Get Sorted Into one of the 4 houses... -Take Online classes such as Transfiguration,Potions and Charms (Classes are given by our personal dedicated teachers!) -Join online Quidditch Teams! -Quidditch games -School Balls -Cheer for one of the houses -Dueling Club! -visit Owlery -and School Grounds -Visit your common rooms and get your PASSWORD to enter them - -Discuss Books, Movies, Actors and more! -Fan Clubs! -Games and HP Video games! -Fanfics and Fanart!! -ROLE PLAYING Also FEATURING -Lord Of the Rings section - Section for you to creat your own clubs! - and INTERNATIONAL WEIRDOS UNITED!! (a awesome club that was rejected by SS and has taken new home in our forum!) Make New friends! and Join our Online school!! Its a whole New Hogwarts experience!!! In search for MODERATORS!!! dont forget to tell you friends!! the URL is: http://invisionfree.com/forums/Hogwartz or http://www.hogwartzforum.cjb.net -Mimi Founder of Hogwartz School Online From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Mon Jun 23 00:27:42 2003 From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:27:42 EDT Subject: So many spoilers/discussion! Message-ID: <44.328fd484.2c27a37e@aol.com> It's almost painful not to read all the messages going on about OOP. I think I'm reading the book slowly because I don't want it to end and leave me longing for the next book. I do more lurking than posting, but I still love the discussions. I have a moutain to go through, it seems XP I may go on 'No mail', just so I won't risk reading any spoilers or have to feel bad deleting message after message. Either that...or I'll read the rest of the book fast and join in ^___^ ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 01:28:46 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes! Message-ID: <20030623012846.13584.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> *a bleary-eyed elf stumbles into the room, streamers and strings of lights trailing behind her* Okay folks, put down the books. I said, put DOWN the books. *mutters something about people who don't listen* In all the excitement about OoP, a birthday has been overlooked. Yes, the Birthday Elf was reading, too. :) Yesterday's birthday honouree was Amanda. Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: peabwain at yahoo.com I hope you day was filled with fun, goodness and a new book. Happy Birthday, Amanda! Sheryll the exhausted Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From catlady at wicca.net Mon Jun 23 02:13:16 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:13:16 -0000 Subject: OoP, of course Message-ID: Amanda Peabwain! You got one hell of a birthday present, and birthday eve party, even if the Elf did forget to post the announcement! s p o i l e r s p a c e Deranimer wrote: << why is Chaser!James playing with a Snitch in the first place? >> We don't *know* that he was Chaser!James --- that was from a JKR interview, and OoP contradicted another JKR interview 'fact' -- the interview clearly stated that the Boneses who were killed were Susan Bones's grandparents, but in OoP they were her uncle, aunt, and cousins. Btw, the old Boneses are a wizarding family with more than two children. They had at least: Edgar who was killed, Amelia, and Susan's parent (probably father, because of the surname). Susan McGee wrote: << but wasn't it C.S.Lewis who said in the Final Battle of the Narnian Chronicles that a noble death was something no one was too poor to purchase..Sirius died fighting evil, and he died trying to save his godson...I hope he is with his best friend James, and that Prongs and Padfoot are roaming the grounds of Hogwarts forever... >> My eyes teared when I read that -- I agree with you. But Dumbledore wouldn't limit it to the grounds of Hogwarts: "the NEXT big adventure". I want to digress about ghosts. In OoP, NHN told Harry that only wizards can become ghosts, and it is something they did deliberately, while dying, to avoid going on to the unknown next thing. Well, if it is a deliberate choice, surely some people would stay, not from COWARDICE, nor even DESIRE FOR REVENGE, but to help their young children or to help the good guys against the bad guys. Back to wondering how ghosts can pass to 'the next great adventure'. JKR has given the impression that it's impossible, but I have faith. Melissa McCarthy wrote: << So, Harry's future. Auror? DADA teacher? Hogwarts headmaster...? I'd kinda like to see Harry as headmaster and Hermione and Ron as professors. That way the Trio could stay together. Assuming they survive book seven. I'm really starting to worry about that. >> I don't have faith that they'll survive book 7, but if they do survive, Harry will be a very good DADA teacher after being an Auror ... he already is! Hermione will be the first Muggle-born Minister of Magic. If Ron were to become publisher of the Daily Prophet (for which there is NO clue -- but if he pairs up with Luna, he could learn about printers' contracts and so on from her father), he could work very well with his two old friends. Nethilia wrote: << 5: The "What if Nevile had been picked, not Harry?" AU. Much like Harry in Slytherin, the idea that Neville could have been what Harry is. >> Maybe Neville IS the subject of the Prophecy. He WAS marked by Voldemort ... marked with clumsiness and forgetfulness due to Voldemort's followers attack on his parents. Maybe after all Harry's displayed heroism, it will be Neville who gives the killing blow to Voldemort. Mochajava wrote: << Neville ... Keeping the gum wrappers that his mother gives him. >> I immediately assumed that those wrappers have Meaning, perhaps will be a Clue in the next book. << if Snape had listened to Dumbledore and continued to teach Harry Occlumency, who knows what would have happened? >> Snape was doing SUCH a terrible job of teaching Harry Occlumency, that I thought he was deliberately making Harry MORE open to contact with Voldemort, perhaps as part of Dumbledore's plan or perhaps because Snape'll turn out to be a traitor to Dumbledore; I don't think Snape could have known that his bad teaching would get Sirius killed, but I'm sure he was pleased when he found out. He gets snotty when Harry said "read minds" but what does he think Legilomency *means*? 'Legi-' is 'read' and 'mens' is 'mind'! I have my doubts about how Snape could possibly be very good at Occlumency. If it truly involves getting rid of (eliminating, suppressing, repressing) your emotions, how come he does such a poor job of even a civilised level of control of his emotions? Professor Monkshood wrote: << Snape the yoga/meditation teacher. Which was exactly my thought when I got to the Occlumency chapter. >> But he's a 'pretty rotten' one, to quote your phraseology. Based on the theory that one cannot teach something one does not know, Luna Lovegood would be a better yoga/meditation teacher than Snape. Btw, I am not convinced that theory is always true. ewdotson wrote: << How about the bit where Ron suggests that maybe Snape is actually trying to open Harry's mind to V? >> Did Ron suggest that? Hooray Ron! SprSun wrote: << He's a good man but he had this fatal habit of overlooking apparently insignificant people/creature >> The Sirius - Kreachur thing is terribly Ironic considering it was Sirius in GoF who said to judge a man by how he treats his inferiors. Btw, Kreachur's name doesn't fit what we had thought was the pattern of House Elf names, and his display of loyalty was not to a building, not even to a bloodline, but to a person, the late Mrs. Black. Richelle wrote: << And good old McGonagall. Gave him cookies. :) >> Is Ginger Newt a pun on something Muggle? << notice what she tells him. "You need to really want to cause pain--to enjoy it--righteous anger won't hurt me for long." >> I suppose that's what makes the Unforgiveables Unforgiveable, but it doesn't speak well for the Aurors who used them. Laura Metslover wrote: << And someone said something to the effect that Lupin has been through enough already, and they didn't think JKR would kill him because his life was so tragic already, that it would almost be overkill. If that were true, I honestly think she would have been kinder to just kill him off. Think about it- a werewolf, shunned his whole life, and how he's lost all 3 of this only real friends >> Maybe Remus will be able to make friends with the new werewolf at St. Mungo's, the one he stepped over to comfort on Christmas Day. What did he say: "I'm a lycanthropy survivor, too, and I wanted to tell you it isn't as bad as you think. I admit it is pretty bad -- as you can see, I can't get a job -- but one still can have friends, like all my friends with whom I came visiting"? The thing I wanted most in OoP, I *knew* wasn't going to happen: the Sirius/Remus ship, dating back before Wormtail's betrayal. So I feel triumphant that she didn't *contradict* it ... altho' imagine Remus's heartbreak *now*. I am sure that the bit with the goblets is to let us know that Potterverse werewolfs are not harmed by silver, at least not while in human form. She'd already established what kind of person Mundungus, so she didn't need it to demonstrate that he'd steal from his host, so she must have needed it for something else. Bit with goblets, at dinner in the Black house (which Tim complained was not punned on in relation to the White House), Mundungus asked Sirius if the goblets were solid silver, and Sirius said yes. Later that very dinner, it is stated that Lupin, who was drinking wine, put his goblet down. As it was NOT stated that his goblet was different from everyone else's, it was therefore solid silver. Marc Nguyen wrote: << Was I the only one screaming in my head for Harry to use the mirror that Sirius gave him instead of the fireplace? >> No, I had forgotten it just as much as Harry had. But I cried when Harry, packing to go 'home' for the summer, found the present from Sirius he hadn't even unwrapped. I didn't think for a moment that he'd be able to contact Sirius in it then, but I did think that if he (and I) had *remembered* it, he could have chatted with Sirius *without* dangerous fireplace-talk, which would have cheered poor lonely Sirius up, and maybe if he had mirror-chatted with Sirius frequently, Sirius would have carried the mirror around with him like a cell phone, so when Harry needed to check whether Sirius was at home or captured by Voldemort, he would have *reached* him ... when Harry realises that, his burden of guilt will go UP. But Sirius should have told Harry "use the mirror I gave you" when Harry called him about Snape/James memory. From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 04:25:07 2003 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:25:07 -0000 Subject: REMINDER: Vote in the 2003 Pickled Toad Awards at HPfGU-OT Chatter Message-ID: When you all have finished reading (and re-reading) OoP, please do not forget to vote in the polls at HPfGU-OT Chatter for the best filks of the year! The polls close at the end of the month. The Pickled Toadies will be awarded at Nimbus 2003. We all will make filking history! -Haggridd From genevieve373 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 05:40:24 2003 From: genevieve373 at yahoo.com (genevieve373) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:40:24 -0000 Subject: OotP - Your Soundtrack Message-ID: Whenever I read, I have to listen to music. No silence for me. For OotP, my mood music of choice was primarily just my favorite instrumental movie soundtracks: ET, Lord of the Rings, HP (of course ;). But from about midway through the book, I kept playing my X-Men movie soundtrack. It's surprisingly fitting. And for the last 100 pages, I've been only listening to track 12 "Logan and Rogue." Honestly, I think it's one of the most haunting melodies I've ever heard. So, what would you include in your OotP soundtrack? It could be what you listened to while reading, or any song/album you think of after reading it. I'd love to compile a list of your suggestions for my re- read. Jenny From trinity61us at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 05:46:38 2003 From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OotP - Your Soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030623054638.81707.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com> I had an excellent soundtrack. I came home from work, did my mundane chores, and settled in to read the book(the last half). A storm rolled in about then.Tons of thunder and lightening. It couldn't have been more perfect! Lasted till I finished, then went away. The Literary Gods are kind! Alex Fox genevieve373 wrote: Whenever I read, I have to listen to music. No silence for me. For OotP, my mood music of choice was primarily just my favorite instrumental movie soundtracks: ET, Lord of the Rings, HP (of course ;). But from about midway through the book, I kept playing my X-Men movie soundtrack. It's surprisingly fitting. And for the last 100 pages, I've been only listening to track 12 "Logan and Rogue." Honestly, I think it's one of the most haunting melodies I've ever heard. So, what would you include in your OotP soundtrack? It could be what you listened to while reading, or any song/album you think of after reading it. I'd love to compile a list of your suggestions for my re- read. Jenny Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From glorificus21 at bigpond.com Mon Jun 23 05:48:44 2003 From: glorificus21 at bigpond.com (glory) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:48:44 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OotP - Your Soundtrack References: Message-ID: <006c01c3394b$21d87470$9e8a8a90@yourog0e5epvsj> Jenny asked about the music we listened to while reading Ootp: But from about midway through the book, I kept playing my X-Men movie soundtrack. It's surprisingly fitting. And for the last 100 pages, I've been only listening to track 12 "Logan and Rogue." Honestly, I think it's one of the most haunting melodies I've ever heard. So, what would you include in your OotP soundtrack? It could be what you listened to while reading, or any song/album you think of after reading it. I'd love to compile a list of your suggestions for my re- read. Me (Glory): I spent most of the book listening to mindless background radio but as the book began to draw to a close (and by this I mean the big "final" battle of the book was approaching), I began to listen to Evanesence ... Especially a song called "My Immortal" which had helped in the whole having me cry myself to sleep this morning at 5am after "the death". Other songs that I've been listening to on purpose during my reading of OotP have been 'Faint' by Linkin Park, 'Rabbit Run' by Eminem, 'Bring me to life', 'Fields of Innocence' and 'Imaginary' by Evanesence ... The music produced by Evanesence has a very OotP feel to it, dark with bitter sweet hope and longing ... So there you go, my OotP soundtrack ... Glory xox [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From trinity61us at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 05:53:52 2003 From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OotP - Your Soundtrack In-Reply-To: <006c01c3394b$21d87470$9e8a8a90@yourog0e5epvsj> Message-ID: <20030623055352.5578.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know if you read Slash fic, but there is a song by Saliva that never fails to make me think of Harry/Draco! The song "Always". The storm was a wonderful counterpoint to the book, though! (((SOBS))) Alex Fox glory wrote: Jenny asked about the music we listened to while reading Ootp: But from about midway through the book, I kept playing my X-Men movie soundtrack. It's surprisingly fitting. And for the last 100 pages, I've been only listening to track 12 "Logan and Rogue." Honestly, I think it's one of the most haunting melodies I've ever heard. So, what would you include in your OotP soundtrack? It could be what you listened to while reading, or any song/album you think of after reading it. I'd love to compile a list of your suggestions for my re- read. Me (Glory): I spent most of the book listening to mindless background radio but as the book began to draw to a close (and by this I mean the big "final" battle of the book was approaching), I began to listen to Evanesence ... Especially a song called "My Immortal" which had helped in the whole having me cry myself to sleep this morning at 5am after "the death". Other songs that I've been listening to on purpose during my reading of OotP have been 'Faint' by Linkin Park, 'Rabbit Run' by Eminem, 'Bring me to life', 'Fields of Innocence' and 'Imaginary' by Evanesence ... The music produced by Evanesence has a very OotP feel to it, dark with bitter sweet hope and longing ... So there you go, my OotP soundtrack ... Glory xox [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz Mon Jun 23 08:13:47 2003 From: professor_monkshood at yahoo.co.nz (professor_monkshood) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:13:47 -0000 Subject: OotP - Your Soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I always thought Metallica makes the best companion sound track for the HP series. The lyrics fits so precisely that it is weird. The whole Black Album just fits prefectly with PoA. Consider these: 'Of Wolf and Man', 'Wherever I may roam', 'The Unforgiven'. The list goes on. GoF sound tracks: Reload & Master of Puppets. Recommended track: 'Prince Charming' (Death Eater's song), 'Master of Puppets' (Voldie's song), 'Low Man's Lyrics' etc. Which brings me to OOTP. I refuse to believe that it is a mere coincidence Metallica released their new album, St. Anger, two weeks before OotP and makes sure that even the title fits in Harry's mood. Metallica is working with JKR and nothing can convince me otherwise. Professor_Monkshood, the world's unlikeliest Metallica fan and is going very berserk. From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Mon Jun 23 10:09:35 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:09:35 -0000 Subject: OOP Spoilers--my defense of Harry (long!) In-Reply-To: <61E2AF8C78F2D211B0B70008C7F921D50DAF4839@orion2.greenops.com> Message-ID: Was I the > only one screaming in my head for Harry to use the mirror that Sirius gave > him instead of the fireplace? > > Marc I completly forgot about the package Sirius gave Harry and that Snape was still part of the order. (Rowling is too clever for me ^-^UU) Alake From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Mon Jun 23 10:23:44 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:23:44 -0000 Subject: OOP Spoilers--my defense of Harry (long!) In-Reply-To: <014d01c338ef$520786b0$d5a1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: > So lets move on to the end. Sirius dies. I think he's dead. Dead. JKR said it already, the person was definitely dead. So if he's not she's lied at some point. Either by saying he's definitely dead, or previously by saying no one could be brought back from the dead in the WW. You know legal stuff? that clever lawyers could get through the gaps in it without doing anything illegal? Here we go: -We could say that any ghost at hogwarts its definitely dead, couldnt we? -We know no ghost or spirit has ever come back from being dead. --- but ther?s a gap, you could not be gone but not be alive, and that intermediate state is where ghosts are. I already explained why I think this (somewhere in the older posts, labelled as "Oooh that twisted woman..."). So, Rowling rarelly does things without a meaning unless red herrings of course. and don?t you find Sirius?s dead, let?s say, peculiar? No body, no killing curse (for all we know he was hitted by a red light, stupefy) and falling through that funny veil (which some have pointed out has something to do with being the door from this world to the next). -too many hints, she wants us to realize something dodgy is going on. And do you think she is twisted enough to keep open the possibility of seing some kind of sirius "alive"? She made Cedrics dead very clear, but not sirius. From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Mon Jun 23 10:27:40 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:27:40 -0000 Subject: OOP: Spoiler: , SAD DENIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Trina" wrote: > Terry wrote > > > Spoiler snitches: > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > > > > > Last but not least, welcome aboard to everyone who has requested to > join the U.S.S. SAD DENIAL (Sirius' Awful Death Didn't End Neatly; > It's A Lie!--Acronym courtesy of Tabouli, thanks very much!) Any and > all variations welcome: my own, it was clearly specified red light, > not green light, so Sirius was not dead when he fell; or the person > who fell was Polyjuice!(anybody), or whatever you prefer, so long as > it results in Sirius being just sexy, not dead. > > Me: In my book it just says "The second jet of light hit him > squarely in the chest." The first curse was red, but this second one- > -unspecified, so could be AK, but we don't know. Also, I stand by my > original theory that the veil is itself Death, so that whatever the > curse was, because Sirius fell through it, he is now dead. And dead > he will remain. Well: -when interrogated about ghost and dead, NHNick "I believe learned wizards study the matter [what?s a ghost and so on I presume] in the department of mysteries...." - not that Harry understands the full extent of this statment because it reminded him of the place Sirius had died. -Luna stated that she felt that past that veil she could feel the presence or hear her mother. Yet, this girl is a bit loony. I could say, that even if you dont want to theorize, the subject isn?t, by any means closed in the books, and JK throws away enough hints to keep as happy for long. Alake (who, as many of you would see, is a fervent DENIAL member) From lia_santana at hotmail.com Mon Jun 23 10:39:17 2003 From: lia_santana at hotmail.com (Lia) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:39:17 -0000 Subject: Casting Call: A Slash RPG! Message-ID: Hey guys! I recently started a Harry Potter Slash RPG on Caleida, a online journal site that's resembles LJ and Blurty (they're still handing out free EA accounts). It's more specifically a Harry/Draco slash RPG... though other slash and het pairings are accepted, on the condition that the relationships tie into the plot (so that they are not merely devices to create drama and doona action). Haphazard Alley is a canon RPG, or at least as canon as a slash RPG could be. The RPG officially begins on the 1st of July, so you have plenty of time to send in your application forms, get to know the players, device your own personal plot lines and experiment with your characters. So please check us out. All characters, aside from Draco, Ron, Pansy, Ginny and Narcissa are currently open for play (yes, that's right, Harry is still open!). Again, I urge you to check us out. Links: RPG Overview: http://www.caleida.com/userinfo.bml?user=haphazard_alley Plot Overview: http://www.caleida.com/talkread.bml? journal=alley_news&itemid=433 OoC Community: http://www.caleida.com/community/alley_news If you have any further questions, please contact me on liasantana84 at yahoo.com.au Hope to hear from some of you soon! Lia PS. This was posted on Veela Inc a couple of days ago. I apologise for the cross post... From Meliss9900 at aol.com Mon Jun 23 14:26:58 2003 From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:26:58 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP: SPOILER: FLINT? Message-ID: <169.206f12cd.2c286832@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/2003 2:07:23 PM Central Standard Time, clio44a at yahoo.com writes: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > OoP, Ch.25, The Beetle at bay, p481 (British hardcover edition), the > Daily Prophet calls him Algernon Rookwood. > Algernon? Could that be Uncle Algie?. .I can't recall offhand and no time to look it up but was Neville around when that name was mentioned? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From glorificus21 at bigpond.com Mon Jun 23 14:44:12 2003 From: glorificus21 at bigpond.com (glory) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:44:12 +1000 Subject: Ootp: Soundtrack CD - Suggestions? Message-ID: <000801c33995$ebd94160$40898a90@fickwalker> Hello all, Just been sitting here thinking about what music I would put together on cd as a 'soundtrack' for OotP. I've got a few figured out and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions? Glory xox [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Mon Jun 23 15:41:13 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:41:13 -0000 Subject: Ootp: Soundtrack CD - Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <000801c33995$ebd94160$40898a90@fickwalker> Message-ID: There?s no point for me to run any soundtrack while I?m reading, as I turn completely deaf. You could talk loudly about me in the same room and I would never know... Does this happen to anybody else? From alakefullmoon at yahoo.es Mon Jun 23 15:55:43 2003 From: alakefullmoon at yahoo.es (alakefullmoon) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:55:43 -0000 Subject: How much did it took you to read it? Message-ID: I?m very proud to say that I read the first three chapters in an hour in a cafe, then travelled home and read the rest - in one sit. I just stoped for meal and dinner (and visits to the loo). And it took me 19 hours O_O I began at 12:30 AM and finished at 7 the next morning. I?m still amazed that I read the hole night without dropping asleep, but just one I considered putting it down something in the plot kept me going. I had never done anything of the sort ever, and I don?t even think it was healthy ;), but it was worthy, it was like a marathon of information, and sensations and - and- well, I don?t think I ever run over so many emotions in such a little period of time. Mind you, I spent the next day sleeping. Alake From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 23 16:01:49 2003 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (Pinguthegreek) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:01:49 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ootp: Soundtrack CD - Suggestions? References: Message-ID: <007c01c339a0$c4d43ce0$395fc487@personal> ----- Original Message ----- From: alakefullmoon To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ootp: Soundtrack CD - Suggestions? There?s no point for me to run any soundtrack while I?m reading, as I turn completely deaf. You could talk loudly about me in the same room and I would never know... Does this happen to anybody else? The joy of living alone is that you don't get interrupted ( except by the phone.....) Michelle Who would love to live on a desert island in some ways [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From charlotte at thechains.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 23 16:28:20 2003 From: charlotte at thechains.freeserve.co.uk (charlotte COLLETT) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:28:20 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ootp: Soundtrack CD - Suggestions? References: <007c01c339a0$c4d43ce0$395fc487@personal> Message-ID: <000701c339a4$764e0430$a78f4c51@BlueBoy> Michelle: > There?s no point for me to run any soundtrack while I?m reading, as I turn completely deaf. That always happens to me. I'll sit in the living room with my family watching the television and it never affects my reading pleasure! However, I was disturbed briefly on Saturday morning by a friend running in the room and demanding to know who had died... Unfortunately I hadn't got to that part yet, so obviously I told her it was Harry. Charlotte PS. This is my first post so I hope it's not too irrelevant! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From beldasnoop at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 18:28:20 2003 From: beldasnoop at yahoo.com (beldasnoop) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:28:20 -0000 Subject: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Nia" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, RSFJenny19 at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/21/2003 8:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > terryljames at h... writes: > > > ok, Katie asked JKR if Harry and Hermione would be snogging > (kissing) in the > > book and JKR said something to the effect of "Harry and Hermione? > No, Ron and > > Hermione, maybe." I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a > transcript, but her > > tone was one of surprise over the H|H question, and answered as if > she were > > correcting Katie on which SHIP would eventually sail. > > Me: > > I cannot see JKR freely discussing such major plot points as > eventual relationships in such an offhanded manner. I think JKR was > alluding to the scene in OoP where we see Hermione kissing Ron on > the cheek, which was very sweet, but hardly conclusive. > Loved the book, BTW! > --Nia Actually, I'm not too sure about that. I saw the Dateline show, too, and JKR seemed very solid about it. After the "snogging" comment, she looked at Katie and said something like "Harry and Hermione? Do you really think so?" She said it in an extremely doubtful tone that made Katie start waffling about it. Then she (JKR) paused a bit and said "*Ron* and Hermione, are the ones that have those issues" or something to that effect (the emphasis on Ron's name was hers, not mine). Also, she has alluded to this pairing strongly in past interviews (the ones I have in mind are up on MuggleNet), saying that there is something "going on" between them, but Ron hasn't caught on, and also that the question of how Hermione feels about Ron (not how he feels about her, but about how she feels about him) is answered in GoF. The point is that I don't think she's been the slightest bit coy about the romantic tension between Ron and Hermione. As far as I can tell, she's been very straightforward about it. What she hasn't been straightforward about, as far as I've seen, is who Harry is going to end up with. Personally, I'm leaning toward Ginny on that score, especially after OotP. Michelle (beldasnoop) From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com Mon Jun 23 18:57:31 2003 From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:57:31 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OOP. The Prophecy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EF74D9B.4040304@kingwoodcable.com> Charles Phipps wrote: >>>RIGHT: I've remembered what should have been in my earlier post. >>>That bloomin' prophecy storyline. How is that "a secret weapon"? >>> >>> > >Its basically explained in the fact that only Dumbledore actually >knows the contents of the prophecy as well as Voldemort. Voldemort >knows that the prophecy contains his destiny. In this respect he >assumes it is the key to figuring out how he can thrawt Harry Potter. > >The prophecy isn't Oedipus Rex, it has a one or the other ending. > >Thus if Voldemort knew he COULD kill Harry Potter personally he could >indeed do so. He'd also need to do it first hand, no more minions. > >Harry is also the secret weapon of the OoP. Voldemort can only be >killed by Harry, no other. > >-Charlemagne > But Dumbledore and the Order are protecting "the weapon", and D says to Harry that what's behind that door is the power the Harry has. I'm finding it difficult to understand the meaning here. I don't think the door is the door that opens into the prophecy room. Because the prophecy has no power. It just states what's to come. D tells Harry that it was his heart that saved him. So what's this power that everyone is protecting? Take care Katze From jktaylor at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 20:46:35 2003 From: jktaylor at yahoo.com (jktaylor) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:46:35 -0000 Subject: Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter Message-ID: My daughter and I made up t-shirts to wear while waiting to buy OoP. I thought I'd share... Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter -Three heads are better than one -Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself -Never trust something that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain -Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus! -Humans are apt to choose precisely the things that are worst for them -It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live -Never insult a hippogriff -It is our choices, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities -Pixies are more trouble than you might think -Those who take, but do not earn, must pay most dearly in their turn -Love is the most powerful magic -Chocolate is wonderfully medicinal -Don't look for trouble; trouble is already looking for you -If you make a better rat than a human, don't boast -Truth is a beautiful and terrible thing -People can be a bit stupid about their pets -There are some experiences you can't share without ending up friends -Don't let the Muggles get you down! -There are all kinds of courage -House-elves are people too -Never try to get a straight answer out of a centaur -Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! -One can never have enough socks -A good show of moral fiber is often mistaken for just being thick -Sometimes you must choose between what is right, and what is easy -The forest hides many secrets -Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 23 20:58:54 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:58:54 -0000 Subject: Live Albert Hall Event Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I was wondering if anyone knows when JKR's live Albert Hall Event is going to be kept online. I missed the first broadcast because of work and then missed the second one because I couldn't find the website. If anyone knows when they'll put the broadcast up for semi- permanence, please let me know. Thanks :) Oh - and in reference to my previous post - my OotP finally came at 2 PM. I almost hugged the FedEx guy. Cheers! Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny :) From sofivilan at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 21:14:40 2003 From: sofivilan at yahoo.com (sofia vilan) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: who am i writing to?? Message-ID: <20030623211440.63004.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> hi, how does this work exactly, i thought it a things we u couls see what others posted and stuff. sorry about this stupid mail. greetings, chof __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net Mon Jun 23 23:23:38 2003 From: pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net (Pinguthegreek) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:23:38 +0100 Subject: ADMIN : Moste readable postes and how to make them. Message-ID: <01d601c339de$7d39f8a0$395fc487@personal> Hi everyone ! Well we're absolutely delighted to see everyone talking so much about the new book. We're thrilled to see so many new and returning listies here. But we'd just like to take the opportunity to remind you of a few things to bear in mind when you go to share your thoughts on the list..... Editing Whilst we understand how eager you all are to discuss this book with fellow fans, please remember to edit your posts so we can tell exactly who said what and what you are replying to. By this I mean : Be really careful only to include parts of other people's posts if they are really relevant to the point you are making. It's much easier to follow a thread if you have the gist of what's been said in front of you at the start of a fresh message. This is best placed at the start of your message At the same time, if you have a lot of short points, why not combine them in one post ? With a header like......OOP : Spoiler: Hogwarts/Ministry/Wands, just as an example. This would cut down on the huge number of posts that are bound to be made over the next few weeks. But don't forget to sign YOUR posts so we know who's saying what !!! But take out anyone else's names unless you are quoting from them directly. It makes it much easier to follow for everyone. Spelling and Grammar Please be careful to write your posts with correct spelling and grammar. This helps those list members whose first language may not be English, or who find reading the list difficult for other reasons, to understand and be able to participate fully in our discussion. For this reason, messages with slang or with netspeak (such as "4" when you mean "for") are likely to be rejectedfor this reason. We're looking forward to hearing from listies all over the world so we can share our different experiences of the book ! Looking forward to lots of discussion in the coming months, Michelle For the admin team [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From andie at knownet.net Mon Jun 23 23:24:23 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:24:23 -0000 Subject: Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just wanted to tell you that I loved this list!!! You guys did a great job coming up with it! :) grindieloe --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jktaylor" wrote: > My daughter and I made up t-shirts to wear while waiting to buy OoP. > I thought I'd share... > > Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter > > -Three heads are better than one > -Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself > -Never trust something that can think for itself if you can't see > where it keeps its brain > -Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus! > -Humans are apt to choose precisely the things that are worst for them > -It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live > -Never insult a hippogriff > -It is our choices, that show what we truly are, far more than our > abilities > -Pixies are more trouble than you might think > -Those who take, but do not earn, must pay most dearly in their turn > -Love is the most powerful magic > -Chocolate is wonderfully medicinal > -Don't look for trouble; trouble is already looking for you > -If you make a better rat than a human, don't boast > -Truth is a beautiful and terrible thing > -People can be a bit stupid about their pets > -There are some experiences you can't share without ending up friends > -Don't let the Muggles get you down! > -There are all kinds of courage > -House-elves are people too > -Never try to get a straight answer out of a centaur > -Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! > -One can never have enough socks > -A good show of moral fiber is often mistaken for just being thick > -Sometimes you must choose between what is right, and what is easy > -The forest hides many secrets > -Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are > identical and our hearts are open From Mhochberg at aol.com Tue Jun 24 01:30:39 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:30:39 EDT Subject: Oop: Audio Book CDs do not have chapter listings Message-ID: <158.200b8906.2c2903bf@aol.com> This is the first audio book that I have bought on CD and I was surpassed to find that there is no index listing which chapters are on which disks? Is the common on CD audio books? I've checked the Listening Library's website but they don't even list the book, only the first four. Arrggh! Do I have to make up my own list? I've tried putting the CD in my computer while online and seeing if it can find the info online but I haven't had any luck. Are there any other CD owners out there who can help me? Thanks! ---Mary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dehavensangel at hotmail.com Tue Jun 24 01:46:05 2003 From: dehavensangel at hotmail.com (shinesse) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:46:05 -0000 Subject: Countdown Timer Message-ID: Now that the release has come and gone I'm trying to remove the countdown timer from my desktop. I've tried everything I can think of. I downloaded it from Mugglenet.com and they don't seem to have info regarding the removal of the timer on their site. If this has already been asked and answered I do apologize I've just finished reading OoP and I'm still in a bit of a daze. *shinesse* From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 01:52:22 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:52:22 -0000 Subject: Oop: Audio Book CDs do not have chapter listings In-Reply-To: <158.200b8906.2c2903bf@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote: > This is the first audio book that I have bought on CD and I was surpassed to > find that there is no index listing which chapters are on which disks? Is the > common on CD audio books? > > > Are there any other CD owners out there who can help me? > > Thanks! > > ---Mary > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Mary, We own the first four of HP on CD, (and patiently waiting for Amazon to deliver Book 5 CD next) and now that you mention it, you're right, there are no chapter heading indicies (plural of index?). Jim Dale, does, however let you know when a new chapter is starting, in that he mentions the chapter# and title. I would keep track of what 'track' I was on when I would listen to the discs on my commute to and from work. I just checked the only other book on CD that we own which is "The Hobbit, and it does in fact list what I believe are the chapter titles, and where they begin. This set was distributed by BBC Worldwide Ltd., 1988. I hope this helps you out somewhat. Anna . . .(who is still waiting for OoP CD's, and the book, UK version, all ordered thru Amazon) From Mhochberg at aol.com Tue Jun 24 02:31:44 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:31:44 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Oop: Audio Book CDs do not have chapter listings Message-ID: <1a7.16288cee.2c291210@aol.com> In a message dated 6/23/2003 6:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, dradamsapple at yahoo.com writes: > We own the first four of HP on CD, (and patiently waiting for Amazon > to deliver Book 5 CD next) and now that you mention it, you're right, > there are no chapter heading indicies (plural of index?). Jim Dale, > does, however let you know when a new chapter is starting, in that he > mentions the chapter# and title. Thanks, Anna. I will make my own list then, of which chapters are on which CDs. Though most of the time I read or listen from the beginning to the end, I sometimes like to jump to certain chapters or sections. All the other audio books I own are on cassette tape and they list the chapter numbers on the tapes. I like the packaging on the Cds, especially the chapter artwork and the differing designs on the sets of CDs. ---Mary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tongapeach at yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 03:35:43 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:35:43 -0000 Subject: Question - OOP spoiler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > s > p > o > i > l > e > r > > I have a question. Did Snape mention to Umbridge that he had been > teaching at Hogwarts for fourteen years, or am I imagining things > (which is very possible too :)) > > If yes, it means he came to Hogwarts right after Voldemort killed > Potters. One more evidence in support of Severus being the spy who > alerted Dumbledore about the attack? > > Alla yep Alla, he did mention that in the *ahem*interrogations!*ahem* with Umbridge. I know cause being the nut I am I wrote little things like this in a notebook as a I read. Anywho, I'm going back to being depressed with Harry... *sigh* I forgive all death on the grounds that we were given the chapter 'Snape's Worst Memory'. Anyone else feel all strangly emotional after reading these books? I go on for days in a state of depression, and I don't think that's entirely normal... ;-) Tonga From Mhochberg at aol.com Tue Jun 24 06:03:03 2003 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:03:03 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Oop: Audio Book CDs do not have chapter listings Message-ID: <146.144edb28.2c294397@aol.com> In a message dated 6/23/2003 6:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, dradamsapple at yahoo.com writes: > We own the first four of HP on CD, (and patiently waiting for Amazon > to deliver Book 5 CD next) and now that you mention it, you're right, > there are no chapter heading indicies (plural of index?). Jim Dale, > does, however let you know when a new chapter is starting, in that he > mentions the chapter# and title. > Hi, Anna! The track lists are showing up now in Real Audio when I play the CDs. (I was listening while checking e-mail). Disk 6 goes from Chapter 10G to Chapter 12d, and includes the Sorting Hat's New Song (chapter 11) and Professor Umbridge (12). Windows Media Player doesn't identify it yet which is too bad as I have the Chamber of Secrets skin on it. ---Mary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com Tue Jun 24 11:11:13 2003 From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (martha) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:11:13 -0000 Subject: Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: May I also add: "Never forget Wizard Baruffio, who said F instead of S and ended up with a buffalo on his chest." "I want more bacon." [Apologies if those aren't exactly correct, but I'm on campus without books.] -Martha (who is so, so jealous of the thing Tonks can do with her hair. That would save me an absolute fortune in hairdye and wax, you know.) From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 12:30:13 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Brian! Message-ID: <20030624123013.79810.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> *tears herself away from all the fascinating stuff on the main list and begins blowing up balloons* Yes, I know there's lots going on over on that ol' main list. Drag yourselves away from it for just a moment, birthdays are important. Today's birthday honouree is Brian Cordova. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: blessedbrian at yahoo.com I hope your day is magical and filled with fun. Happy Birthday, Brian! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From beelissa at nycap.rr.com Tue Jun 24 13:24:50 2003 From: beelissa at nycap.rr.com (melissaworcester) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:24:50 -0000 Subject: Oop--naughty words? Message-ID: Hi everyone. I'm a relatively new member to the HPforGrownups list, but the list elves won't let me post this question on that list. I'm on "no mail" here, I will read responses at the web site since I am already overwhelmed with too much mail, AND I'm only 1/3 of the way thru Oop, so I don't have time to chat with you all, though I'm sure your topics are highly interesting. So, if you respond to this, please leave the subject line the same so I can find it :-) There are very, very minor spoilers in this note, but nothing that gives anything important away. I'm a mom and am reading Oop to my children. I'm reading ahead, or trying to. I'm trying to forewarn myself about swear words. I noticed a few of what I would consider the milder swear words in GoF and also in the part of Oop that I've read so far (I'm up to the first Hogsmeade weekend). I was a bit alarmed, though, when I read Uncle Vernon's words in chapter 2: "Enough -- effing -- [name of magical item that was particularly annoying him, deleted in case anyone is worried about spoilers]!" Does that 2nd word there mean what I think it means, or does it mean something different in the UK? Am I going to see more of the same later in the book? Am I going to see worse (by worse I mean, like the word I think he's hinting at, but actually spelled out, or the 4-letter word that starts with s, or Jesus' name in vane -- though, that would be in interesting topic of conversation based on speculations about the presence or absence of religion in the wizarding world...)? I was hoping someone would be able to respond to this message without giving away major spoilers. I don't mind something like, "Yes, Harry says such-and-such to Draco after Draco said something worse to him" but don't tell me Harry says it to Voldemort after V kills both Ron and Hermione (fake, not a real spoiler, I haven't read to the end and I don't know who dies yet). I've often discussed with my boys how an author sometimes uses swearing to show a person's character -- I mean, how the nasty ones will swear more than the good ones -- though I know that's not always true. Or it can show state of mind, Harry swearing at Hermione would show he was uncharacteristically angry with her, though I think the point was made very well in the early chapters without having to resort to that. These ARE supposed to be kids' books, after all. Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to answer this! :-) Melissa From andie at knownet.net Tue Jun 24 15:05:41 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:05:41 -0000 Subject: Oop--naughty words? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Melissa, Well, I agree that there are more naughty words in this book than in the others; however, I did expect that, as the characters are now full-fledged teenagers. I doesn't really bother me, only because I'm reading them myself and not to children... :) In any case, I do not recall any "Uncle Vernon" words later in the book. However, both Ginny and Harry do say damn once later in the book... Ginny near the middle and Harry near the end. Aside from that however, no S- words or anything worse that H- or D-. :) Happy Reading! grindieloe From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr Tue Jun 24 15:07:39 2003 From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:07:39 -0000 Subject: Oop--naughty words? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Melissa, Well OOP does deal with teenagers, and rebellious one at that, so there are indication of rude language but if I recollect well the worst words that is actually spelled out is poo. However, on a more general level, I think that OOP deals with quite advanced issues for children. I have no idea how old your childre are, but since you read to them, I assume they are quite young indeed. Well maybe, some events might puzzle or disturb them. But if your main concern is really language and profanity, I think you have read the worst. Olivier From selene at earthlink.net Tue Jun 24 15:39:12 2003 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox-Davis) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:39:12 -0700 Subject: Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter Message-ID: <3EF8709F.B1E57C01@earthlink.net> Dear JKTaylor: May I share this list around? It is stunningly wonderful! How shall I credit you? Susan Fox-Davis JKTaylor wrote: >My daughter and I made up t-shirts to wear while waiting to buy OoP. >I thought I'd share... > >Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter > >-Three heads are better than one >-Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself From greywolf1 at jazzfree.com Tue Jun 24 15:52:51 2003 From: greywolf1 at jazzfree.com (Grey Wolf) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:52:51 -0000 Subject: Posting Spree over in main list? Message-ID: Hi, all, I seldom come to OT chatter, but I've finally caught up with the main list, since now we're only having a message every few minutes, instead of a few every minute. It seems we've posted ourselves out. At any rate, here are the numbers: 1500+ posts since the list reopened over 1000 posts in the first 24 hours almost 8200 members Not a bad start, for OoP, IMO. Hope that helps (yeah, sure, as if stadistics ever helped anyone ;) ) Grey Wolf, whose expecting the list to explode again when the American members come back home after work From timregan at microsoft.com Tue Jun 24 16:21:06 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:21:06 -0000 Subject: Oop--naughty words? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU Melissa wrote: > I was a bit alarmed, though, when I read > Uncle Vernon's words in chapter 2: > > "Enough -- effing -- [name of magical item that was particularly > annoying him, deleted in case anyone is worried about spoilers]!" > > Does that 2nd word there mean what I think it means, or does it mean > something different in the UK? It's a phonetic shortening of f**k in the UK too. I was nervous too when I read over that part to my children so the following morning I mentioned that there was swearing in the book. My kid's (8 & 10) normally have well honed antennae for spotting the swearing but they only mentioned the other language. I think Vernon's comment is in the midst of such gripping dialogue that his language went whoosh over there heads. Once, when my daughter was young (3?), I was wheeling her around our local Supermarket (Tesco's in Woodbridge UK) when she started calling me "You stupid jungle bum" loudly. I told her to stop (it sounds stronger language in the UK than in the USA) and she just wouldn't. Eventually I lost my temper and shouted at her. It was only after that I found out that she was quoting directly from Disney's "Jungle Book"! Cheers, Dumbledad From dehavensangel at hotmail.com Tue Jun 24 16:34:31 2003 From: dehavensangel at hotmail.com (shinesse) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:34:31 -0000 Subject: Live Albert Hall Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jenny" wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone knows when JKR's live Albert Hall Event is > going to be kept online. I missed the first broadcast because of > work and then missed the second one because I couldn't find the > website. If anyone knows when they'll put the broadcast up for semi- > permanence, please let me know. Thanks :) > > Oh - and in reference to my previous post - my OotP finally came at 2 > PM. I almost hugged the FedEx guy. > > Cheers! > Yours in Gryffindor, > Jenny :) Here is the website where you can find information on the event. http://www.msn.co.uk/liveevents/harrypotter/ They will also have it up so you can watch it as many times as you like until July 3rd. *shinesse* From beelissa at nycap.rr.com Tue Jun 24 17:31:11 2003 From: beelissa at nycap.rr.com (melissaworcester) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:31:11 -0000 Subject: Oop--naughty words? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "olivierfouquet2000" wrote: > I have no idea how old your childre are, but since you read to > them, I assume they are quite young indeed. Well maybe, some events might puzzle > or disturb them. This is a good point. I'm only reading it to my almost 12-year-old. Yes, he can read it himself, and he may. He's read parts to himself. I read to him every night, trying to usually pick things he wouldn't read by himself, either because they are more difficult reading than he's used to, or because they are something he thinks he's not particularly interested in. I've read all the Harry Potter books to him, though he's also read parts of them at least to himself. But, I like being able to share it with him. I am just now reading SS to my almost-6-year old. He's seen both of the movies, though not till they came out on DVD. I'm not planning to read GoF or OoP to him for a long while yet (though he enjoyed looking thru OoP at the pictures at the beginning of each chapter). He'll be at least 8 before GoF is out on DVD, I'll have to make a judgement call then, as well as making the same call as he learns to read. That's part of the reason I'm reading them all first. I appreciate your help, as well as the others who replied. It's good to know what to expect as far as this goes. Melissa From beelissa at nycap.rr.com Tue Jun 24 17:37:05 2003 From: beelissa at nycap.rr.com (melissaworcester) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:37:05 -0000 Subject: Oop--naughty words? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dumbledad" wrote: > I think > Vernon's comment is in the midst of such gripping dialogue that his > language went whoosh over there heads. Thanks for your comments. When I read it, I just left out that word. > Once, when my daughter was young (3?), I was wheeling her around our > local Supermarket (Tesco's in Woodbridge UK) when she started > calling me "You stupid jungle bum" loudly. I told her to stop (it > sounds stronger language in the UK than in the USA) and she just > wouldn't. Eventually I lost my temper and shouted at her. It was > only after that I found out that she was quoting directly from > Disney's "Jungle Book"! My kids have a tendancy to do this, too. My older one could very easily start quoting something, even if he didn't realize how strong the language was, that's part of what I was afraid of. I could just see him finding a new word, thinking it was just a magical made up word, sort of like muggle, and teaching it to his younger brother before I would be able to put a stop to it... Melissa From andie at knownet.net Tue Jun 24 21:00:21 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:00:21 -0000 Subject: OotP Jacket Message-ID: Hey everyone, I have a few questions that I hope someone can comment on... I went to the midnight party at Borders where I live to get my first copy of OotP. After getting it home and taking a look at it, I noticed that it didn't quite look like I thought it was supposed to... the title, author, (raised words) part of the jacket were not colored in any way. I remember all of the pictures I had seen of the cover, and realized that those words should be blue. Mine were not! They had no color at all and blended into the background. I wouldn't even know they were there if they were not raised from the rest of the cover. I suspected it was a misprinted jacket and perhaps the printer had run out of ink or something. However, I was not sure since I had only seen the cover online and on tv... which sometimes can be misleading. When I got my copy from Amazon on Saturday afternoon, I realized that I was right! There was something wrong with the jacket of my first copy! The second one is metallic blue, as I expected. My questions is... Does anyone think this will be a real collector's item? Worth anything in the future? Does anyone else have other similar variations on the cover/book? I will welcome everyone's thoughts! :) Thanks! grindieloe From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Tue Jun 24 23:40:00 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:40:00 +0000 Subject: OotP=SPOILERS and`small fiction Message-ID: SPOILERS- I finished reading the book today and I thought it was FANTASTIC. Dursleys treatment of Harry=I felt really sad when I read that Harry's trainers were falling apart and he dug around in bins on the street to find news papers. What gets to me is that none of the neighbours seem to care. Surely ,they must see him picking papers out of the bin. Or they must see him wearing clothes way too big for him and trainers, that are so old, there is no point wearing them...Or are all the neighbours, except Arabella Figg like the Dursleys? I think we can all say that Petunia does care a bit about Harry. Vernon was about to kick Harry out, when she received the howler and then changed her mind after hearing what the howler had to say. She had made a promise to take care of Harry...Or really just keep him in her house..near her, because she has the same blood as Lily...I actually wonder now, if she treats Harry the way she does, so he has no confidence to go out and make proper friends. Therefore not going to places, where he might bump into trouble, like a bunch of death eaters in the middle of a muggle street...Of course the way she and her husband have been treating Harry is so horid. I can not wait to see if anything happens to them in book six. I wonder what nightmare the Dementors made Dudley relive? ........ Sirius's family=I couldn't believe that his mother used the word mudblood, I was really shocked. The first thing I noticed about the house was it had snakes for knockers and there were snake objects around the house...Clearly all of Sirius's pureblooded family were in Slytherin, but he some how ended up in Gryffindor, which had made his mother really angry, that even her portraits call him names. I sat in shock when I read that Narcissa was his cousin. Harry is more connected to Draco than he would ever like to be. Could you imagine, if Draco were to find out. FICTION "Attention, attention everyone" Said Professor Dumbledore. "It is my saddest duty to inform you all that Sirius Black" Everyone gasped. Well everyone except Harry,Ron, Ginny, Luna, Neville and Hermione and strangely enough Draco Malfoy."Has died, at the hands of Bellatrix Lestranger." Everyone began to whisper amongst themselves.Harry sat in silence. He`already knew that Sirius was dead. He had seen him fall through the veil to his death. He was about to leave when he heard Seamus talking about Sirius. "If ya ask me Dean, he deserves death after killing all those muggles and Peter Pettigrew_' 'WHAT DID YOU SAY SEAMUS?' Harry bellowed out.'YOU HAVE NO RIGHT...NO RIGHT AT ALL TO SPEAK ABOUT SIRIUS AT ALL...NONE.' Seamus was speachless. He couldn't understand why Harry was shouting at him.He`was about to ask why, when Malfoy did it for him. 'And what right do you have Potter?' Harry turned around in his chair,to face Draco, who was standing over him holding out his wand. Harry gpt up and reached for his wand. Professor Snape and Professor McGonagall left the high table and started to advance upon Draco and Harry. 'WHAT POTTER GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT SIRIUS BLACK?' 'WHAT GIVES ME THE RIGHT?...HE IS MY GODFATHER. THE MAN WHO HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF COMFORT AND GUIDANCE TO ME FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS...YOU STUPID GIT.' 'Your godfather....Oh damn....no, please no.' Malfoy had tears of anger in his eyes.'Why didn't my mother tell me?' 'Yes Malfoy....Sirius Black is you,what second cousin and he is my godfather...So I think that makes you my godcousin...Oh how nice, tell you father, I will visit him in prison this weekend. I will bring him some muggle cake...And as for your mother, ask her if she minds me calling her Aunty Narcissa?' Harry smirked at Draco and sat back down leaving Draco fuming with anger. 'You will not bring my father muggle cake....He likes pumkin pie.' Harry turned in his chair not believing that Draco was actually telling him what his father liked to eat. 'That is nice and could you tell me what Voldemort likes to eat....Seeing that he and your father are best freinds. I have a feeling he will visit him.' Draco looked at Harry and lunged at him, forgetting his wizarding ways. Harry of course fought back. Dumbledore rose up again out of his seat.'Seems like all is back to normal...I am going to bed' ......................... DRACO=I was really disapointed at the lack of Draco Malfoy in the book. I think he was only the main speaking bad character `in the first 4 vbooks, because Voldemort had not been there....well he was ther in PP/SS and CoS and GoB, but not properly until the end of GoB, but now he is strong and JK Rowling wants to build his character. There is no room for little evil people...only room for Lord Voldemort. Snape=I diffinatly felt Snape feel compassion for Harry, when he saw his memories. I think just for a second Harry reminded him of himself. I would have thought that living in a cupboard for so many years `would have been his main memory, but I was wrong. For a short amount of time Snape felt something for Harry. I wonder if Harry will ever feel anything, but hate towards Snape. CHO=All I can say is thank god Harry didn't actually start going out with her....What a head case. It seems to me that she would go out with anyone, who aksed her. LUNA=Now I really liked Luna, I actually think that she and Harry would make a great couple. The fact that she gave him hope of seeing Sirius again. When he eventually's dies was sweet. Seeing that he thought that he would never see him again. Even in death. She did alot of things to help Harry, risking her neck to be on his side. Something that Cho did not do....I hope in book six they start going out. Umbridge=EVIL...VENDICTIVE...SLIMLY...NASTY...TOADFACED....GREEN HAT WEARING.....BITCH. I have been hated a character in a book, more than I hated her, she made my blood crawl The Prophecy=Well I guessed a long while back that Harry would have to die for Voldemort to live, Or Voldemort die so that Harry can live.The link betweem then is getting stronger. They can feel what the other is feeling, so I think that it will be very hard for them to try and kill one another...Also what if they become so mentally connected, that if one of them dies , then so does the other? If this were to be the case. I think that Harry would be the hero again and sacrifice himself, so that Voldemort can die. I will read it again in a few weeks time...I can not wait for book six...I have to say that I am going to be very sad, because that would mean that the HP series would be coming to an end....I feel as if I know Harry, and all the characters in the Books....I am trully worried for all of them. I hope Draco see's sence and teams up with Harry, they would make a fantastic team. Much Love Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From jillily3g at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 03:41:41 2003 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:41:41 -0000 Subject: Oop--naughty words? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: It was > only after that I found out that she was quoting directly from > Disney's "Jungle Book"! > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad Mine seemed to prefer "you idiot" from 101 Dalmations! Gotta love that Disney... As far as the language goes, not to start another discussion on censoring.... but Jim Trelease, author of _The Read-Aloud Handbook_ (which has a wonderful treasury at the back of suggested books to read aloud) suggests editing books as needed as you read--removing the profanity if you prefer, or shortening descriptions for wiggly younger children. You have to use your discretion, but let's be honest, haven't we all at least tried to get away with abbreviating the 500th telling of a story if we thought we could? Beth From jmmears at comcast.net Wed Jun 25 04:05:30 2003 From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:05:30 -0000 Subject: An Update (was Re: A bet) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" > wrote: > > > I think there is great scope for 'fun online' in the meantime: > what > > do you all think will be the size of the 'huge swell'. Here are a > > few things to guess at: > > > > Number of posts the day the list opens after closing for OOP (my > > guess: 95) > > Any other guesses? Any other statistics to guess at? Prizes for > > the best guesses? Who should pay? > > > > and... no gratuitous posting just to win your bet! I wrote: > My Guesses: > Number of posts the day the list re-opens after OOP (175) > Number of posts the week after (1000) > Biggest posting day after OOP (July 6, 2003) I was curious to see how close I came to guessing the actual number of posts after the list re-opened, so I went back and counted. It seems my guess was a bit low (although closer than Dave's ;-)) >From the time the main list re-opened at 4:08pm on 6/22 until Midnight there were 400 posts. Within 24 hours of the list opening there were 923. Obviously, I've under-estimated the the number of posts for the week after, so I'll let someone else count those when the time comes. Is ANYBODY keeping up with reading all this? I've given up in exhaustion. Jo Serenadust From illyana at mindspring.com Wed Jun 25 04:18:38 2003 From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:18:38 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] An Update (was Re: A bet) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <182BD02C-A6C4-11D7-A7BA-003065B8B954@mindspring.com> On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 09:05 , serenadust wrote: > Is ANYBODY keeping up with reading all this? > > I've given up in exhaustion. > > I didn't read every post, but I went through them all and read the ones I wanted to. A lot of them contain repeated information. I didn't expect as many posts as we got, either. When I checked my email on Sunday night, I had 440 posts from HPFGU. I figured I would wait until Monday evening to tackle them - by then, the number had jumped to 1100!! Needless to say, I didn't get through them all until sometime today. Wow. illyana p.s. I wasn't on the list when GOF was released - were there close to this many posts? HPGCv1 a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 04:22:22 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:22:22 -0000 Subject: An Update (was Re: A bet) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "serenadust" wrote: > Is ANYBODY keeping up with reading all this? > > I've given up in exhaustion. > > Jo Serenadust Not me. I've been digesting for the past few days (finished at 2pm on Saturday afternoon), and finally "tuned in" this morning. Figured I'd just skim through the posts from the past 24 hours. I ended up hitting over and over and over without even reading them... And when I just couldn't do it anymore, I quit, with about 300 messages left unread. So I give up. I'm just going to savor it myself and maybe chime in a few months from now when it dies down, so I can hear everyone tell me, "Come on! That is so 'Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye!' We've talked about that a zillion times already!" ;) -Jen From tongapeach at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 06:24:51 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:24:51 -0000 Subject: OOP: Spoilers and such Message-ID: You know, I keep thinking of a song I sung in grade school- the one about the cotton fields? It was a southern folk songy thing. ANd the line 'it was down in louisana, just about a mile from texarkana'.. have you looked at a map? texarkana is more than a mere mile from the border... I don't get it. And I'm hoping this is enough for Spoiler space! ;-) Now then, I've read several- but by no means all- postings. Jeez- louise! You've been awfully busy here haven't you? Now then, I finished at 4am Monday and have been digesting what I read and talked to one of my BF on the phone figuring things out. I'm still in denial... where's the SHIP! I want to be on board! A suggestion though- could we use that awful house-elf as an anchor? Now on with the show... Mundungus- LOVED this character, had me rolling most of the time. Anyone read the 'Artemis Fowl' books? Doesn't Mundy remind you of Mulch? And Figg, I'm a bit disappointed, but was surprised to see her after all seeing the Dateline interview... JKR seemed to be at a loss to come up with her name, although she was a very comical addition. I don't think she'll be a major part of the next two- I could be wrong however. The UKims, loved em, keep it coming as far as I'm concerned. Just don't let my lil bro see them... I have a feeling we're all going to be laughing our heads off on the way to Orlando in July as he tries to use them in conversations very inaccuratly. Poor boy, he was in shock when he found out that James Marsters wasn't actually British... and the look on his face! Neville... oh my... *sniff*. His mum... oh god, I cried. That was just too heartbreaking. I'm glad to see him getting stronger, I suspected with the release of the movies he was going to start playing a larger role since Dean and Seamus are kinda 'quiet' in the movies and Neville is focused on moreso. JKR did say she was supervising so that important clues didn't get skipped over. ;-) His entire reaction- 'Harry's not alone, he's still got me'- gah! Neville the utterly Loyal and Brave! Yep Richelle, I want to adopt him now too! Ginny- another I was pleased to see come into her own. And what a character! I'm glad she's over her 'shy' phase, but can she really be called shy now? New characters: Tonks- OMG! She's my new role model! I kept reading it, and I am working on a fanfic that wasn't hit too hard, and when my friend and I talked today we were both like- AH! Tonks is - well, one of the chars we created. And Luna... talk about strange... she's definatly important somehow, I'm just not sure how yet. UMBRIDGE! Yes, I will risk Azkaban to use an Unforgivable on that thing posing as a woman! She aggrevated me to no end, and is currently the reason my friend has been unable to finish the book. It's kinda funny, she gets to a scene and gets so mad you think she's gonna hurl the book across the room. And Fudge. Don't hate me for this, but it must be said. I don't hate Fudge. He's a politician, and as you are well aware of politicians are generally out there for one thing only- to place themselves at teh front. People didn't want to hear the truth, Fudge didn't himself, so he did what any politician would have done. He lied. Percy needs to have his red-headed bottom kicked though. Putting his mother, father and siblings through all that. I felt it coming however... it was all to clear from his reading 'Prefects who Gained Power' to Ron's statements in GoF. And my goodness Dumbledore! 'You know, Minister, I may not agree with everything Dumbledore's done... but you cannot deny he's got style...' Loved it all! Was a bit disappointed with the lack of Hagrid at the beginning and throughout the book, made me very nervous. And then McGonagall... what can I say? That scene (and you know the one) made me nearly scream. If it weren't for the fact my mother and lil bro had flipped through the book and found out who snuffed it (gulp!) and I knew it was at the end of the book I would have strongly believed it was McGonagall who'd bit the bullet. What a brave woman... I still am FURIOUS over the way Hagrid's dismissal was handled, I thought that surely someone (one of the OWL professors?) would have had something to say over what had transpired? Gred and Forge... ah, I'm going to miss those two. Life at Hogwarts without them will be very difficult indeed. All out war, perfect... and the reactions of the staff- you know, I used to like Filch somewhat but now I'm ready to burn him at the stake. And we all know he wouldn't be able to do the Freeze Flame spell. As for Harry's behavior. Yes, it was a bit much- but he is, after all, a teenage boy. Those of you who haven't been around one think yourselves lucky. Those of you who were one- I am very sorry. ;-) I don't think I've ever really yelled out loud at a book, but the whole time he was in panic-mode I kept growling underbreath 'go to Snape you moron' and 'he gave you that package at Christmas, use it!' But ah, that would have ruined the plot, wouldn't it? Ticking, testosterone time bombs... anyone want a 16 yr old? As to SHIPS- I have no clue anymore. I used to think it was clearly going to be R/Hr... now it looks like possibly H/Hr. Well, Ryann (who is 7) will be tickled pink with that. The look into James/Lily. Well, I was jumping up and down and couldn't sit still. It took me close to an hour to read it cause I kept having to get up and run around my room with a waaay silly grin on my face which made my mother ask me what I was on. Let's just say that I'm now of the opinion that JKR has decided that James is a Seeker. Afterall, the shield in SS movie said Seeker, and the only contridiction we have is JKR's interview-thingy where she stated he was a Chaser. She is allowed to change her mind I would imagine. I was VERY happy to see that all descriptions of the MWPP generation that were written by JRK melded into what I have for my MWPP-fic. I think that was why I bounced around so much. And yes, for the measure, James and Sirius were self-righteous little... er, not allowed to say that am I? *looks sheepish* I am still overwhelmed that I actually felt *shock!* sorry for Snape... though, as my mother pointed out, Snape might have done something we're unaware of that would warrant James and Sirius' actions. And speaking of fanfic- someone asked if they were the only ones who felt as if they were reading fanfic as they read this. I answer yes- but not for reasons you state! I have been drowning myself in fanfic since GoF left off, hungry for more HP. And three years later I'm in deperate need of a 'fix'. ;-) I've read so much that I think it was leftover from reading so much. If you understand that kudos! I don't think she 'took' anything from fanfic, I just think that a few lucky FF authors out there have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Kudos! I think I've covered all but what I was saving for last. ;-) The big killer. Ooooh, bad choice of words there. OMG! I was in shock! I only had two parts I had to read twice cause I thought I'd read wrong. The first was when Petunia answered Vernon's question of what Dementors were. *SHOCK!*- and what exactly *does* Petunia know of the wizarding world? Obviously more than we thought... will Harry find someone to turn to after all? The second was Sirius dying- WHICH I REFUSE TO BELIEVE! I suppose I should have seen it coming. I voiced my opinion 3 years ago when JKR mentioned a 'big death' that Sirius would be the next to kick the proverbial bucket, but here lately- in a desperate attempt to convince myself otherwise- I've been going with Lupin, Hagrid, Dumbledore, McGonagall, even Ron or Hermi! Silly as it may sound I had to wait several hours after I'd read this- and only after talking to my friend- before I would go back and read it again. I didn't think I would ever be able to read it, had at the moment I finished the book sworn to myself that I would NEVER read OotP again and that it was going on my list of most hated books, but I did. I needed closure. *sniff* I think my attempts to convince myself it wasn't him failed when I read Harry's thoughts at leaving Black House at Christmas. Something about 'having a bad feeling about this parting'. I just about broke down into tears right then and there. I even, somewhat guiltily, hoped that McGonagall had snuffed it when she was attacked. But alas, it was not to be. As sad as the death scene was it was not the most shocking. It was Harry's reaction. And to those of you out there saying Lupin should have done more to express sadness think of the words and conditions. JKR did say he said what he did to Harry 'chokingly' and every time he was mentioned afterwards it was always giving the impression that he was ready for a good cry. And what about the whole British 'stiff upper lip'? Hmmm? It wouldn't have done to break down at the scene, Harry's safety was in jeopardy. I'm sure somewhere off scene he mourned for the loss- after all, he really is the last one now, isn't he? (and no, Wormtail doesn't count) Harry however responded just as I would have- and I was amazed at Dumbledore's insight to sit calmly and let him get it 'out of his system'. His comments were somewhat disconcerting (hope I'm thinking of the right word here). I was HUGELY disappointed with the whole Prophecy- though pleased to see the previous PoA comment 'that makes two now' brought to light. (on a joking note- goodness, you can really tell they haven't read the books can't you?). You would think it would be obvious to them as it is to us... but ah well, that lies the easy way out. I was, in short, bawling. My pages have tear-stains on them and my friend is goeding (sp?) me with 'eh, he was starting to get annoying anyway' comments. I feel so lost. *sniffle* Now then, to join the SHIP, USS DENIAL is it? Heh, just call me Cleopatra! Tonga- who is still miserable and has been spending an unusal amount of time with her black lab- even letting her sleep on her bed- which is a big no-no! Is this a sign that my beloved pet- who just turned 13 this month- is soon to be departed? OMG- gotta go cry now. From styggieboi at hotmail.com Wed Jun 25 09:42:51 2003 From: styggieboi at hotmail.com (Stygian von Belfry) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:42:51 -0000 Subject: Befuddlement Message-ID: I am sure that anyone who works in retail (booksellers) have their share of tales for the HP-V release BUT, this one certainly puts shame to the cliche of taking the cake. Ergo: I was at the main information desk of the store where I work when a woman approached me to inquire about the procedures of picking up a previously reserved copy of HP-V. In furthering her explanation she intimated that she was picking the book up for a friend. The bizarre aspect of this and most disturbing, (allowing me to believe that ALL HP fans are insane and have no grasp on reality OR sense of priority), the phone call asking her to pick up the book came from a gentleman who was at a funeral parlour for his mother's funeral! I shant suspect that ANYTHING will ever be so important again as the death of one's own mother, but obviously, HP seems to be so much more important. This, to me, strikes at the absurd nature of this 'so-called' phenomena. From JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM Wed Jun 25 11:18:48 2003 From: JOANNABARRA788 at MSN.COM (joanna barra) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:18:48 +0000 Subject: Re OoP-Naughty words? and spoiler Message-ID: > >Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:24:50 -0000 > From: "melissaworcester" >Subject: Oop--naughty words? > >Hi everyone. I'm a relatively new member to the HPforGrownups list, >but the list elves won't let me post this question on that list. I'm >on "no mail" here, I will read responses at the web site since I am >already overwhelmed with too much mail, AND I'm only 1/3 of the way >thru Oop, so I don't have time to chat with you all, though I'm sure >your topics are highly interesting. So, if you respond to this, >please leave the subject line the same so I can find it :-) > >There are very, very minor spoilers in this note, but nothing that >gives anything important away. > >I'm a mom and am reading Oop to my children. I'm reading ahead, or >trying to. I'm trying to forewarn myself about swear words. I >noticed a few of what I would consider the milder swear words in GoF >and also in the part of Oop that I've read so far (I'm up to the >first Hogsmeade weekend). I was a bit alarmed, though, when I read >Uncle Vernon's words in chapter 2: > >"Enough -- effing -- [name of magical item that was particularly >annoying him, deleted in case anyone is worried about spoilers]!" > >Does that 2nd word there mean what I think it means, or does it mean >something different in the UK? > .............. very small Spoilers in this message Hi, I have 2 kids, my son who is 4 and the oldest loves Harry Potter, but I decided before the book was published that I wasn't going to read it to him. I thought that the naughty words weren't that harsh for me to read, but I think they would have been harsh for my son to hear. Another thing that got to me was the amount of blood in the story, And how angry Harry was, which is of course justified, but this would upset many small kids....Professor Umbridge is another reason why I wouldn't read this book to my child...The woman gave me chills more that Voldemort himself. As for the word effing...Yes it means exactly what you think it means Much Love Joanna x _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From jktaylor at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 14:25:44 2003 From: jktaylor at yahoo.com (jktaylor) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:25:44 -0000 Subject: Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <3EF8709F.B1E57C01@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Feel free to share the list, and credit it however you see fit. I get a huge kick out of knowing people enjoy it. -jktaylor --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Susan Fox-Davis wrote: > Dear JKTaylor: > > May I share this list around? It is stunningly wonderful! How shall I > credit you? > > Susan Fox-Davis > > JKTaylor wrote: > >My daughter and I made up t-shirts to wear while waiting to buy OoP. > >I thought I'd share... > > > >Everything I need to know about life I learned from Harry Potter > > > >-Three heads are better than one > >-Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself From jktaylor at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 14:32:20 2003 From: jktaylor at yahoo.com (jktaylor) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:32:20 -0000 Subject: Oop: Audio Book CDs do not have chapter listings In-Reply-To: <146.144edb28.2c294397@aol.com> Message-ID: I am making a list as I encode the CDs to play on my RIO Riot. I'm up to CD #16. When I'm finished, I'll post the list in Files, unless someone else does it first. Here's what I have so far: CD# Track# Chapter (segments) 1 1-9 Chapter 1, Dudley Demented (whole) 1 10-17 Chapter 2, A Peck of Owls (1-8) 2 1-2 Chapter 2, A Peck of Owls (9-10) 2 3-10 Chapter 3, The Advanced Guard (whole) 2 11-18 Chapter 4, Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place (whole) 3 1-8 Chapter 5, The Order of the Phoenix (whole) 3 9-19 Chapter 6, The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black (whole) 4 1-7 Chapter 7, The Ministry of Magic (whole) 4 8-14 Chapter 8, The Hearing (whole) 4 15-16 Chapter 9, The Woes of Mrs. Weasley (1-2) 5 1-10 Chapter 9, The Woes of Mrs. Weasley (3-12) 5 11-16 Chapter 10, Luna Lovegood (1-6) 6 1-3 Chapter 10, Luna Lovegood (7-9) 6 4-12 Chapter 11, The Sorting Hat's New Song (whole) 6 13-16 Chapter 12, Professor Umbridge (1-4) 7 1-8 Chapter 12, Professor Umbridge (5-12) 7 9-15 Chapter 13, Detention with Dolores (1-7) 8 1-7 Chapter 13, Detention with Dolores (8-14) 8 8-19 Chapter 14, Percy and Padfoot (whole) 9 1-12 Chapter 15, The Hogwart's High Inquisitor (whole) 9 13-18 Chapter 16, In the Hog's Head (1-6) 10 1-4 Chapter 16, In the Hog's Head (7-10) 10 5-14 Chapter 17, Educational Decree Number Twenty-Four (whole) 10 15-17 Chapter 18, Dumbledore's Army (1-3) 11 1-9 Chapter 18, Dumbledore's Army (4-12) 11 10-19 Chapter 19, The Lion and the Serpent (whole) 12 1-9 Chapter 20, Hagrid's Tale (whole) 12 10-15 Chapter 21, The Eye of the Snake (1-6) 13 1-5 Chapter 21, The Eye of the Snake (7-11) 13 6-16 Chapter 22, St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies (whole) 14 1-11 Chapter 23, Christmas on the Closed Ward (whole) 14 12-17 Chapter 24, Occlumency (1-6) 15 1-6 Chapter 24, Occlumency (7-12) 15 7-17 Chapter 25, The Beetle at Bay (whole) 16 1-13 Chapter 26, Seen and Unforseen (whole) 16 14-18 Chapter 27, The Centaur and the Sneak (1-5) -jktaylor --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/23/2003 6:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, > dradamsapple at y... writes: > > > We own the first four of HP on CD, (and patiently waiting for Amazon > > to deliver Book 5 CD next) and now that you mention it, you're right, > > there are no chapter heading indicies (plural of index?). Jim Dale, > > does, however let you know when a new chapter is starting, in that he > > mentions the chapter# and title. > > > > Hi, Anna! > > The track lists are showing up now in Real Audio when I play the CDs. (I > was listening while checking e-mail). Disk 6 goes from Chapter 10G to Chapter > 12d, and includes the Sorting Hat's New Song (chapter 11) and Professor > Umbridge (12). > > Windows Media Player doesn't identify it yet which is too bad as I have > the Chamber of Secrets skin on it. > > ---Mary > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Wed Jun 25 16:43:13 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 25 Jun 2003 16:43:13 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056559393.953.1112.w8@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPFGU-OTChatter group. File : /OoP_CD_Index.xls Uploaded by : jktaylor Description : Chapter index of OoP on CD as read by Jim Dale You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/files/OoP_CD_Index.xls To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jktaylor From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 17:05:07 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:05:07 -0000 Subject: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter Message-ID: I see there have been 250 posts to HPfGU since I posted my jumbled thoughts about OotP there last night. I cannot read 500 messages per day from a single discussion group. Anyone want to summarize them for me?? :-) And while you're at it, tell me how many new people joined since 12:01 a.m. on 6/21 :-) Anne U (still recovering from reading the book, which I loved, bleak though it may be) From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 18:00:42 2003 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:00:42 -0000 Subject: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > I see there have been 250 posts to HPfGU since I posted my jumbled > thoughts about OotP there last night. I cannot read 500 messages per > day from a single discussion group. Anyone want to summarize them for > me?? :-) And while you're at it, tell me how many new people joined > since 12:01 a.m. on 6/21 :-) > > Anne U > (still recovering from reading the book, which I loved, bleak though > it may be) Anne, I agree! I have not been able to keep up with all the posts. I try every evening after I put the kids down, but when I get up the next morning there's twice as many! ;) I have a couple of questions I'd like to ask, but I am never sure if I should ask them here, or on the book discussion list. Alora From lorischmidt1 at juno.com Wed Jun 25 19:14:06 2003 From: lorischmidt1 at juno.com (ladyofmisrule2000) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:14:06 -0000 Subject: Dateline snogging comment (Was: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>Michelle wrote: >>I saw the Dateline show, too, and JKR seemed very solid about it. >>After the "snogging" comment, she looked at Katie and said >>something like "Harry and Hermione? Do you really think so?" She >>said it in an extremely doubtful tone that made Katie start >>waffling about it. Then she (JKR) paused a bit and said "*Ron* and >>Hermione, are the ones that have those issues" or something to that >>effect (the emphasis on Ron's name was hers, not mine).<< Lori reponds: Can anyone who saw the interview tell me why JKR assumed Katie Couric was refering to Harry and Hermione? Thanks in advance. Lori From timregan at microsoft.com Wed Jun 25 19:27:14 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:27:14 -0000 Subject: OoP: cute chapter pictures - buy the USA not the UK editions (spoilers) Message-ID: Hi All, This was the first time I bought the USA edition rather than the UK one (since it was the first book release that I've been living in the USA for). I have to say I prefer it. Now, I know we could quibble about previous text changes that were made between the editions (e.g. changing "philosopher's stone" to "sorcerer's stone" is mad) but three things strike me as better in the USA editions: 1) The cover is really moody and beautifully understated, whereas the JPGs I've seen of the UK one make it look garish. 2) The layout of the text is more spacious and hence it is easier to read and feels better quality. 3) Aren't the pictures at the beginning of the chapters cute? I twice wished they'd been at the end of the chapter or contained less spoiler material (e.g. Grawp and Voldy's duel with DD), but they are really lovely, and brighten the reading experience. I remember, on another discussion board, some American's complaining that the USA editions of Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy do not contain the chapter head graphics that Pullman did for the UK editions. Well you've made up for it with these. I do have a UK edition waiting at my Mum & Dad's house in Essex UK and I was planning to give my USA one to a library prior to moving back to the UK. I'm not so sure I'll be able to now. Cheers, Dumbledad. From corsa808 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 20:31:47 2003 From: corsa808 at yahoo.com (Celeste) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:31:47 -0000 Subject: Pumpkin Juice Message-ID: I happened to find this on another (not HP-related) list I'm on and thought I would share it. I think I'll make up a large batch and enjoy it during my re-read!! 8~) Harry Potter Pumpkin Juice 2 cups diced pumpkin 2 cups apple juice 1 teaspoon honey 1/2 cup pineapple juice Juice the pumpkin and add the pumpkin juice to the pineapple and apple juice Add honey and blend in a blender. Serve iced. I'm not real sure how to juice a pumpkin....I might just forget about that part and just throw it all into the blender and see what happens! Celeste--not new but haven't been around in a while... (I hope this doesn't get posted twice....had a bit of a "glitch" or something while trying to type the original) From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 20:52:47 2003 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:52:47 -0000 Subject: OoP: cute chapter pictures - buy the USA not the UK editions (spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Hi All, > > This was the first time I bought the USA edition rather than the UK > one (since it was the first book release that I've been living in > the USA for). I have to say I prefer it. Now, I know we could > quibble about previous text changes that were made between the > editions (e.g. changing "philosopher's stone" to "sorcerer's stone" > is mad) but three things strike me as better in the USA editions: > 1) The cover is really moody and beautifully understated, whereas > the JPGs I've seen of the UK one make it look garish. > 2) The layout of the text is more spacious and hence it is easier to > read and feels better quality. > 3) Aren't the pictures at the beginning of the chapters cute? I > twice wished they'd been at the end of the chapter or contained less > spoiler material (e.g. Grawp and Voldy's duel with DD), but they are > really lovely, and brighten the reading experience. I remember, on > another discussion board, some American's complaining that the USA > editions of Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy do not contain > the chapter head graphics that Pullman did for the UK editions. Well > you've made up for it with these. Dumbledad, I just got my UK editions today, both of them. I wanted each cover! Call me weird. Anyway, I have to agree about the illustrations at the beginning of each chapter. And I LOVE the cover on the USA edition - very dark and mysterious, I think. Some people I have talked to think that the pics are "childish", but I like them! Alora From jillily3g at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 21:30:01 2003 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:30:01 -0000 Subject: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't get the digest, so I have resorted to skimming the post headings/authors and only reading those by people I "know" from their past postings and/or those titles that really intrigue me. I'm probably missing a lot, but the volume is staggering! I don't know exactly how many joined, but I remember telling my husband as he wrote his article that there were more than 7700 members on the main list and yesterday I saw there were more than 8100.... Beth From jillily3g at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 21:44:13 2003 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:44:13 -0000 Subject: OoP: cute chapter pictures - buy the USA not the UK editions (spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: lol! My very first UK version just arrived today--I caved and pre- ordered from Amazon.uk even after I found a currency converter and realized it wasn't necessarily a bargain. We're very interested to see what differences there are, but really, (and confessing that most of my knowledge of language differences are from romances novels from my teens) I think a lot less has been changed this time. I'm happy I ordered the UK version for the novelty of it, but I agree about the illustrations (that their cute and that they sometimes give too much away). Beth From chthonicdancer at hotmail.com Wed Jun 25 19:00:10 2003 From: chthonicdancer at hotmail.com (chthonia9) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:00:10 -0000 Subject: Media reaction to OoP Message-ID: This article by Victoria Coren on the Observer website really chimed with me, so I thought I'd share: http://books.guardian.co.uk/harrypotter/story/0,10761,982302,00.html Quote: "Grown-ups divide into two kinds of people: those who wish they were still six, and those who wish they were still 16." The implication being that the HP-cynics basically want to relive the time when people are more concerned with being cool than having fun. Yay! I'd *much* rather be playing make-believe than worrying about the latest gadget. :-) I've been having fun looking at reviews, too. The best (worst?) was the one that said something along the lines of: 'At the end we find out Voldemort's first name, which is rather like finding out that Satan's first name is Derek.' Very witty, but in a country in which one book was sold for every 28 people on the release date alone, you'd think they could find a reviewer who had actually read the previous books... Chthonia From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jun 25 22:34:43 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:34:43 -0000 Subject: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter (small spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anne U wrote: > I see there have been 250 posts to HPfGU since I posted my jumbled > thoughts about OotP there last night. I cannot read 500 messages per > day from a single discussion group. The posting rate is, in fact, about 800 a day at the moment. There were over 180 posts in the first three hours after the list opened - over one a minute, or equivalent to about 1500 per day. The psychological effect is similar to sticking your head out of the window of a train moving at speed. Anyone want to summarize them for > me?? :-) Yes: :-) "I liked it. Wow, isn't it dark compared to the others? How could she *do* that? Wasn't it a Flint that Harry couldn't see those things at the end of GOF? Don't you have to be a prefect to be head boy? I found Tonks very irritating/lovely. I hope we see more of Luna/I hope we never see her again. That Umbridge reminds me of teachers/ bosses/ politicians I have known - isn't she *nasty*? I hope this hasn't been mentioned before as I haven't been able to keep up with all the messages." And while you're at it, tell me how many new people joined > since 12:01 a.m. on 6/21 :-) The join rate is between 100 and 150 a day, though quite a few are unsubbing as well. David From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Jun 25 23:20:32 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:20:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OoP: cute chapter pictures - buy the USA not the UK editions (spoilers) References: Message-ID: <01c301c33b70$75c422b0$889ecdd1@RVotaw> Beth wrote: > lol! My very first UK version just arrived today--I caved and pre- > ordered from Amazon.uk even after I found a currency converter and I got it today too, I was shocked to see how much thicker it is than the US version. Thicker, but shorter, and somehow less pages. Thicker paper, I guess. I'm going to start reading it tomorrow. :) I know I don't NEED them, but I do want to get all of the adult UK editions to have the set (obsession, I know). Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From beldasnoop at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 01:36:31 2003 From: beldasnoop at yahoo.com (beldasnoop) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:36:31 -0000 Subject: Dateline snogging comment (Was: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ladyofmisrule2000" wrote: > > Can anyone who saw the interview tell me why JKR assumed Katie Couric > was refering to Harry and Hermione? She didn't assume. She said there was going to be more adolescent angst and hormonal stuff with Harry, and Katie asked her "Any snogging with Hermione?" JKR was responding directly to that question. She really looked surprised (almost disapproving) of Katie's suggestion, too. Michelle (beldasnoop) From timregan at microsoft.com Thu Jun 26 01:45:35 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:45:35 -0000 Subject: Source of Stats (was Re: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU-OTChatter David wrote: > The posting rate is, in fact, about 800 a day at the moment. There > were over 180 posts in the first three hours after the list > The join rate is between 100 and 150 a day Where do these stats come from? Surely not from the search engine that should not be named. Do people keep comprehensive alternate back-ups of all the email? Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. I've often thought that if I had a Time Turner I'd like to do a NetScan like analyzer of the HPforGrownUps lists. It shows who the key posters are and what the important threads are automatically. Cheers, Dumbledad From Erthena at aol.com Thu Jun 26 04:15:23 2003 From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:15:23 -0000 Subject: OOP- Is any one else crying? Message-ID: Just to get this over with, Hi this is my first OT-chatter post. I'm loony, I'm 16 and I'm somewhere between New York and Hawaii. I was just wondering if anyone else cried over their fan fics when one of JKR's little FLINT fixes or Sirius' death affected them. I cried because I'd been working on a Sirius fan fic for months and I'd just about gotten it right too. :P She also shot down a lot of theories, 4th man, anything about why Voldie attacked Harry... I was going "Well, there goes another theory" through the whole book. Oh well those were my inital reactions for OOP and as they have nothing at all to do with the plot of the book I thought I'd better come over here. --loony PS:: Glory on that note add "Another one bites the dust" to the soundtrack for me ;-) PPS:: JKTaylor loved your list!! I wish my friends and I had come up with something like that(we were swooping around in black cloaks and singing filks at the top of our lungs at the "party" at B&N From andie at knownet.net Thu Jun 26 04:42:28 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:42:28 -0000 Subject: Location & Jacket Message-ID: I'm curious where others from this group live... anyone from Ohio? NE Ohio? Do any of you have actual in person discussion groups in your town about Harry? grindieloe (Oh yeah, and since no one responded to my post from before, I'm going to repeat it just a bit below and hope for a few responses. :) My prior post: I went to the midnight party at Borders where I live to get my first copy of OotP. After getting it home and taking a look at it, I noticed that it didn't quite look like I thought it was supposed to... the title, author, (raised words) part of the jacket were not colored in any way. When I got my copy from Amazon on Saturday afternoon, I realized that I was right! There was something wrong with the jacket of my first copy! The second one is metallic blue, as I expected. My questions is... Does anyone think this will be a real collector's item? Worth anything in the future? Does anyone else have other similar variations on the cover/book? grindieloe From tongapeach at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 05:47:19 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:47:19 -0000 Subject: Location & Jacket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe" wrote: > I'm curious where others from this group live... anyone from Ohio? NE > Ohio? Do any of you have actual in person discussion groups in your > town about Harry? Not me- I'm from SE Tennessee- Chattanooga. Heading towards Little Rock, AR in a couple of months though. And I would LOVE to have a real-live discuss-Harry group in my town, I'm disappointed to say I don't though. I have to settle for friends who live nearby... as I don't know too many around here who *like* Harry as much as I do. My questions is... Does anyone think this will > be a real collector's item? Worth anything in the future? Does anyone > else have other similar variations on the cover/book? Hmmm... dunno really. I'd hang onto it though- it might prove to be something. I'm just glad I didn't get one of those copies that's missing pages. Tonga From tongapeach at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 05:52:02 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:52:02 -0000 Subject: OOP- Is any one else crying?/Fanfic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "werebearloony" wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E > I was just wondering if anyone else cried over their fan fics when > one of JKR's little FLINT fixes or Sirius' death affected them. I > cried because I'd been working on a Sirius fan fic for months and I'd > just about gotten it right too. :P > She also shot down a lot of theories, 4th man, anything about why > Voldie attacked Harry... I was going "Well, there goes another > theory" through the whole book. Yeah, but I'm not really all thought bothered by it. Most of my MWPP stuff survived- and was even given the highest compliment by fitting in *perfectly* with some of the book. I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at. I'm a little downhearted, but I've survived Hurricane Jo, just a few little flubs later and I'm sure my stuff will fit in nicely as borderline, slightly AU. ;-) Tonga From tongapeach at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 05:59:33 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:59:33 -0000 Subject: Dateline snogging comment (Was: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "beldasnoop" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ladyofmisrule2000" > wrote: > > > > > Can anyone who saw the interview tell me why JKR assumed Katie > Couric > > was refering to Harry and Hermione? > > She didn't assume. She said there was going to be more adolescent > angst and hormonal stuff with Harry, and Katie asked her "Any > snogging with Hermione?" JKR was responding directly to that > question. She really looked surprised (almost disapproving) of > Katie's suggestion, too. > > Michelle (beldasnoop) In light of all the conversation on the KC interview I thought I'd put in my two Knuts. ;-) Has anyone had the fleeting notion that during that- given JKR's response and such- that *perhaps* she was trying to steer us away from something that she wanted to lay clues and lead us to? She does like playing her clue games... she's said so many times. What a better way than to lay down the notion that H/Hr was a ridiculous idea than to come out and say so, then lead us around the back way. Just a thought, she does seem a tiny *bit* disappointed when we do figure something important out. Tonga From Ripleywriter at aol.com Thu Jun 26 07:24:53 2003 From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:24:53 EDT Subject: OotP question *spoiler* Message-ID: <119.2594cbd7.2c2bf9c5@aol.com> * * * * * * * * * * * This may seem silly to some, but I'm clueless as to what a dais is (from the room where Sirius died). I couldn't picture it at all, which I didn't let bother me, but then Sirius fell through the veil, and I wasn't sure what I should be picturing. Could someone please explain to me that set up more clearly, with the veil and all, considering that I don't know what a dais is. If you could explain it me "like I'm an eight-year-old" that would be good. :-) Such an important moment and I'm left huh?-ing over how Sirius falls through the veil. Oy. I'd hate to stick with my lame version that I had to picture. And is it pronounced like daze? I've checked two dictionaries, and I must be exceptionally stupid, 'cause neither of them are clear. It starts with a 'day' sound; is it 'day-is' or 'daze'? Or neither? Maybe it's the heat melting my brains; the rest of the house is nice and cool, yet for SOME reason my room alone is constantly warm. I'm going absolutely batty; I think I might camp out on the nice cold kitchen tile if this continues. ;-) Melly From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jun 26 09:00:09 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:00:09 -0000 Subject: Source of Stats (was Re: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I alleged: > > The posting rate is, in fact, about 800 a day at the moment. > There > > were over 180 posts in the first three hours after the list > > > The join rate is between 100 and 150 a day > Dumbledad wrote: > Where do these stats come from? Surely not from the search engine > that should not be named. Do people keep comprehensive alternate > back-ups of all the email? Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. I have three methods: good record keeping, elfing numbers database, careful watching of the lists, and fanatical devotion to HP... Er, *four* methods. My *four* methods are... You probably know that, in an attempt to keep measured, high quality adult discussion, new members of HPFGU are moderated, which means their posts are reviewed by members of the admin team before being forwarded to the list (or sent back for editing). We also try to send a personal welcome letter to everybody who joins. We reckoned therefore a few months back that we might have a lot of work to do at the time of OOP release, and decided to keep a record of the number of newbies joining every day (the assigned list-elf for the day enters the number of letters sent, in the record, as part of their work for the day. At the same time I decided to keep track of posting volume. That's actually quite easy to do if you keep on top of it: I keep an Excel spreadsheet, and simply enter the last message number of each day against the date. Every few days I spend a few minutes updating it. I simply scroll back through the list and look for the change of date. One thing we've discovered as a result is that if there's a spike of new members joining, then a week or two later there's a sharp increase in message volume. However, as a mechanism for preparing for OOP, it was largely a failure: nothing in the past behaviour of the list hinted at the magnitude of the current frenzy of joining and posting. You can imagine the elfing team have been working quite hard right now - well some of them, anyway: others of us just fiddle around with statistics and engage in pointless threads like this one. As for comprehensive backups of all the email, there are three little-known open-membership Yahoogroups: groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives2 groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives3 which contain zipped-up archives, maintained by Paul Kippes, of the HPFGU messages, batched a thousand messages at a time. If anyone is interested in the mechanics of how the list is run, feel free to write to us at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com David From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 10:20:51 2003 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana Lucas) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What is a dais? Answered Message-ID: <20030626102051.22212.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> Melly asked: >>>This may seem silly to some, but I'm clueless as to what a dais is (from the room where Sirius died). I couldn't picture it at all, which I didn't let bother me, but then Sirius fell through the veil, and I sn't sure what I should be picturing. Could someone please explain to me that set up more clearly, with the veil and all, considering that I don't know what a dais is. If you could explain it me "like I'm an eight-year-old" that would be good. :-) Such an important moment and I'm left huh?-ing over how Sirius falls through the veil. Oy. I'd hate to stick with my lame version that I had to picture. And is it pronounced like daze? I've checked two dictionaries, and I must be exceptionally pid, 'cause neither of them are clear. It starts with a 'day' sound; is it 'day-is' or 'daze'? Or neither? Melly<<<<<< I answer: A dais (pronounced day-iss, with the 'iss' like in 'hiss) is, in this case, a low raised platfrom in the middle of a room from which a speaker [or archway in OOP] uses to speak from as it is designed to draw the eyes in the room to the middle of the platfrom. Think of very wide low step big enough to be a platform, perhaps two or three steps up in the case of OOP. Diana L. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From princessmelabela at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 14:17:23 2003 From: princessmelabela at yahoo.com (Melanie Black) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Location Message-ID: <20030626141723.51964.qmail@web20713.mail.yahoo.com> I live in Ohio. For most of the year on I'm on the Northwest side of the state (near Toledo) and then during the summers and such I'm in Dayton. And no I really find that having a person to discuss the book with around here is kind of hard. ~Melanie We shall never forget Sirius Black....long live his memory! "Wit beyond measure is a man's greatest pleasure" ~Luna Lovegood, OOTP pg. 186. "How she got to be a prefect when she is thicker than a concussed troll..."~Hermione, OOTP --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmmears at comcast.net Thu Jun 26 15:13:53 2003 From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:13:53 -0000 Subject: Dateline snogging comment (Was: OOP. Impressions. Spoilers.SHIPs) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "tongapeach" > Has anyone had the fleeting notion that during that- given JKR's > response and such- that *perhaps* she was trying to steer us away > from something that she wanted to lay clues and lead us to? She does > like playing her clue games... she's said so many times. What a > better way than to lay down the notion that H/Hr was a ridiculous > idea than to come out and say so, then lead us around the back way. > > Just a thought, she does seem a tiny *bit* disappointed when we do > figure something important out. You really need to locate a video and judge for yourself, since this seems to be one of those "eye of the beholder" situations. If you are really invested in H/H you may conclude that she's upset that Couric has discovered what she's really up to, ship-wise, and trying to steer her away for the ultimate ship. Personally, I thought that her expression when asked that question was more surprise/disbelief, as if she couldn't believe that she was being asked this *again*, when she thought she'd made herself clear in the books. As far as clues and red herrings, she definitely loves to play with us in the books, but if that's what she did in this interview, I really think it would qualify as lying. But, that's just me, so you'd be much better off seeing the interview and making your own decision. I know I saw a link to it somewhere on the net yesterday, but I can't locate it at the moment. I'm sure that someone, somewhere will eventually provide a link to it, since so many of the shipping community have a lot invested in it. Sorry I couldn't provide the link. I think you should keep looking, if you really want to see it. Jo Serenadust From drmm at fuuko.com Thu Jun 26 15:16:58 2003 From: drmm at fuuko.com (drmm_fuuko) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:16:58 -0000 Subject: Obsession quiz updated Message-ID: Hiyas. I guess this is the proper place to post this, rather than the main list ... The Harry Potter Obsession Quiz (http://www.fuuko.com/hpquiz.html) has been updated for the first time in three years to reflect OotP, the movies and some other stuff (yes, I know Nimbus 2003 hasn't been held yet but I probably won't update it for a few years again). So, how obsessed are you? :) DrMM (at 50% after the re-do) From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 26 17:25:39 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Jun 2003 17:25:39 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1056648339.226.7043.w22@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: ORDER OF THE PHOENIX: How does OoP compare with the other HP books in the series? Names will not display and you can change your vote anytime. Vote for as many as apply. o OoP was better than GoF. o OoP was better than PoA. o OoP was better than CoS. o OoP was better than PS/SS. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=1111972 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From cindysphynx at comcast.net Thu Jun 26 17:27:39 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:27:39 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <1056648339.226.7043.w22@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Hey, all, I started a new poll. Now, I'm no statistician or anything, but I set up this poll hoping it would give us some overall feeling about how OoP compares to the other HP books. MathGuru!David will have to advise on whether this will work or not. Anyway, let's vote and see what happens. Cindy -- still deciding what she thinks of OoP From timregan at microsoft.com Thu Jun 26 18:49:35 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:49:35 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <1056648339.226.7043.w22@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU-OTChatter Cindy started a new poll: > o OoP was better than GoF. > o OoP was better than PoA. > o OoP was better than CoS. > o OoP was better than PS/SS. How do I say that I preferred OoP to CoS, and that I preferred PoA to OoP, but that I've no idea which is the better out of PS, GoF, and OoP? I.e. does not checking the check box by "OoP was better than PoA" mean that I don't know which I prefer, or that I do know, and it wasn't OoP? Cheers, Dumbledad. From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 20:37:19 2003 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Upcoming Deadlines for Nimbus - 2003! Message-ID: <20030626203719.25691.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> We'd like to inform you about some important deadlines coming up in the next few days. Effective June 30, we will not accept new registrations paid by check. There simply isn't time to guarantee receipt of payment through the post office. Checks will be accepted for people registering at the door, and you can still pay through PayPal or by credit card, at any time. (If you have already registered, but not sent in your check, please do so as soon as possible!) Tickets for the luncheons, both Judith Krug and Ari Rapkin, will be available through July 3. After that date, we have to give our guaranteed number of attendees to the Swan and we will be closing the luncheons. There's still room for at least 25 people at each luncheon, plus a few reserved spots for your spouses or family members. If you're still thinking about whether to reserve a seat at the luncheon, please decide before July 4. You can update through the registration system off the website (there's a link in the FAQ). (http://www.hp2003.org/nimbusfaq.html#registration) Also, there's a Summer Sale at CafePress, so before July 15, you can save $4 on any order over $30 at our Nimbus Souvenir Shop: http://www.cafeshops.com/hpefinc (On a related note, I received my order two days ago and the baseball shirt is *really nifty.*) Finally, a word of thanks. Too often, we are so busy addressing the concerns and questions of our attendees that we forget to thank all of you for your faith and enthusiasm for this event. We're very near the end of our trip, and it's been a long, involved process for many of us. But if none of you had registered, if none of you had put your trust in this undertaking, we would be stuck with an empty hotel and a very large bill. Instead, I hope I can say (knock wood!) that we will have an absolute blast all weekend. There are over 530 people registered, and room for more. Go, you! You are what makes Nimbus - 2003 a success. We at Nimbus - 2003 thank every single one of you for your support. Gwen ===== Bring Your Own Broom to Nimbus - 2003! http://www.hp2003.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 26 21:47:25 2003 From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:47:25 -0000 Subject: Obsession quiz updated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Last time I took it, I was 120% obsessed (which was very scary - I didn't even know you could get 120%). Now with the new and improved version, I'm only 98% obsessed. Where did I go wrong? ;) Cheers! Yours in Gryffindor, Jenny :) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "drmm_fuuko" wrote: > > So, how obsessed are you? :) > > DrMM (at 50% after the re-do) From todd_nmn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 22:07:07 2003 From: todd_nmn at yahoo.com (todd_nmn) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:07:07 -0000 Subject: When is the next book coming out? Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone had heard anything? Are we going to have to wait 2+ years for Book 6? I did not start reading HP until after GoF came out, so I was able to read all 4 at once, and HATED waiting until June 21, especially since I was out of town and had to wait until Monday to get it!! Thanks Todd From pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net Thu Jun 26 22:10:35 2003 From: pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net (Pinguthegreek) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:10:35 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] When is the next book coming out? References: Message-ID: <040001c33c2f$c83f0a90$395fc487@personal> ----- Original Message ----- From: todd_nmn To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] When is the next book coming out? Just wondering if anyone had heard anything? Are we going to have to wait 2+ years for Book 6? I did not start reading HP until after GoF came out, so I was able to read all 4 at once, and HATED waiting until June 21, especially since I was out of town and had to wait until Monday to get it!! Try waiting the full three years - it teaches you patience and makes you look for loads of other great books too ! Michelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 23:12:19 2003 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Dean Message-ID: <20030626231219.36508.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> *puts the last streamer up and heads out to get the food for today's party* Are you all ready for a party? I hope so, because everything is waiting for your arrival. Today's birthday honouree is Dean Slade. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: redlineco at yahoo.com I hope it was a wonderful, magical day. Happy Birthday, Dean! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From timregan at microsoft.com Thu Jun 26 23:31:52 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:31:52 -0000 Subject: OoP: UK School, HB => Prefect? (was Re: ADMIN OOP: READ THIS FIRST most Frequent Message-ID: Hi All, Transfering from main list post . --- In HPforGrownups Grey Wolf wrote: > For those most Frequently Asked OOP Questions - the most Frequent > Answers. Feel free to disagree with them! Wow that's fantastic and really useful. It must have taken ages to sort out. (I do still like Dave's summary in too). > James > ----- > > How did he become Head Boy if he wasn't prefect? > > Not all prefects become Head Boys (since there are many more > prefects than Head Boys) and, while prefects seem to be a > responsibility-oriented position, Head Boy may be awarded to > academical achievements (which fits with Percy, James and Tom) In your dreams. I went to a UK school at roughly the same time as JKR, it was a comprehensive school (= public high in USA) rather than the posher model Hogwarts seems based on, but the head boy and girl were drawn from the ranks of the prefects. If you are good enough to be head boy then you are good enough to be a prefect. I may be generalizing from too little evidence though. For those on the list who went to, or taught at a UK school, did anyone find that a head boy could be chosen who was not also a prefect? Is "Not all prefects become Head Boys" relevant? Even if all prefects did become head boy, it would not prevent a non-prefect becoming head boy, e.g. all cows die, but not everything that dies is a cow. Cheers, Dumbledad. From drednort at alphalink.com.au Fri Jun 27 00:41:17 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:41:17 +1000 Subject: Prefects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3EFC1F4D.18172.49B616D@localhost> On 26 Jun 2003 at 23:31, Tim Regan wrote: > In your dreams. I went to a UK school at roughly the same time as > JKR, it was a comprehensive school (= public high in USA) rather > than the posher model Hogwarts seems based on, but the head boy and > girl were drawn from the ranks of the prefects. If you are good > enough to be head boy then you are good enough to be a prefect. I > may be generalizing from too little evidence though. For those on > the list who went to, or taught at a UK school, did anyone find that > a head boy could be chosen who was not also a prefect? I went to a school in Australia that was *heavily* modelled on the British 'public schools' - one of a number of schools set up here in the late 19th Century, so colonial administrators and the like could avoid having to send their sons all the way to Britain to get a 'proper' education. At my school, the equivalent of the Head Boy (School Captain) did not *have* to be a Prefect - but there were only three occasions in over a century when he wasn't. I'm also on a discussion list that includes a lot of people who went to British boarding schools, and schools around the world modelled on them. We've actually discussed this issue over the past week (everybody is reading Harry Potter). At most of the schools which have a Head Boy of some sort, he is either drawn from the Prefects, or appointed at the same time as the Prefects (and is considered a Prefect as well). But there are a significant minority of occasions where a Head Boy does not need to be a Prefect - most commonly in cases where Prefects are elected and the Head Boy is appointed, or where the Head Boy is elected, but Prefects are appointed. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From drednort at alphalink.com.au Fri Jun 27 00:46:31 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:46:31 +1000 Subject: Map/Plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3EFC2087.32212.4A02B8C@localhost> I though I'd ask for feedback here, as post to the main list have a way of getting lost in the crush at the moment. About a year ago, I devised a complex floorplan of Hogwarts based on the information in the books and put it online. It was an attempt to create a plan of Hogwarts which while certainly not guaranteed to be accurate, at least accurately reflected the information in the books. I've had a few comments at times, and a few people have pointed out mistakes. Anyway - with Order of the Phoenix, I now have enough new information to make updating the plan worthwhile (for a start, we now have an indication of the location of the Ravenclaw Common Room). What I'm interested is asking, is there anybody who thinks cush a floorplan would be of interest to them? I'll be doing it myself, anyway, as I just like using the mapping software (-8 But is there any interest in this being online. The current version has had a few hits - but not an incredible amount. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 01:26:27 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:26:27 -0000 Subject: Obsession quiz updated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "drmm_fuuko" wrote: > Hiyas. I guess this is the proper place to post this, rather than the > main list ... > > The Harry Potter Obsession Quiz (http://www.fuuko.com/hpquiz.html) > has been updated for the first time in three years to reflect OotP, > the movies and some other stuff (yes, I know Nimbus 2003 hasn't been > held yet but I probably won't update it for a few years again). > > So, how obsessed are you? :) > > DrMM (at 50% after the re-do) Interestingly, I'm only 30% obsessed (up from 29% the last time I took this quiz), despite the fact that I participate in HP chats, am joining a new HP RPG (Defence Association!!), and have written some filks and am even trying my hand at fan fiction - none of which I claimed the last time I took the quiz. Hmmm. Anne U (still thinking about my dream in which Dudley gave Harry a wide berth... of course two months ago I didn't know how much Dudders would *need* Harry...) From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Fri Jun 27 01:32:34 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:32:34 -0000 Subject: Location & Jacket now Toronto, Canada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I live about 6 to 8 hours drive from you in the great city of Toronto Canada. while I have not met people over the net to talk to people in person about it, I think it would be great to do. Especially Americans because here in Canada we get the UK version of the book. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe" wrote: > I'm curious where others from this group live... anyone from Ohio? NE > Ohio? Do any of you have actual in person discussion groups in your > town about Harry? > > grindieloe > > (Oh yeah, and since no one responded to my post from before, I'm > going to repeat it just a bit below and hope for a few responses. :) > > My prior post: I went to the midnight party at Borders where I live > to get my first copy of OotP. After getting it home and taking a look > at it, I noticed that it didn't quite look like I thought it was > supposed to... the title, author, (raised words) part of the jacket > were not colored in any way. When I got my copy from Amazon on > Saturday afternoon, I realized that I was right! There was something > wrong with the jacket of my first copy! The second one is metallic > blue, as I expected. My questions is... Does anyone think this will > be a real collector's item? Worth anything in the future? Does anyone > else have other similar variations on the cover/book? > > grindieloe From emelinemoore at mianla.net Fri Jun 27 02:54:41 2003 From: emelinemoore at mianla.net (Emeline Moore) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:54:41 -0000 Subject: New to HPFGU and an OT question. Message-ID: Hi, I'm taking the advice of my HpforGrownups welcome letter and introducing myself over here. I'm Emeline, aged 20 and from Michigan. I started reading the Harry Potter series 9 months ago, and other then a few discussion groups that were overrun by teenagers/kids ? HPFGU is my first real place to discuss Harry Potter books. Even though I find a list this large quite intimidating I look forward to getting to know you more and hearing what others think of Harry Potter. Anyone have any words of wisdom for a newbie? ?Emeline PS, I have sort of an off topic query, does anyone have any tricks for someone who has low vision problems? The main HPFGU group is very hard on my eyes; I've tried the Internet Explorer accessibility options to get rid of the lavender background but the fonts and sizes seem to change (from Arial to Times New Roman and anywhere from 8 pt to 12 pt font) whenever I change the page. It's very frustrating on such a high volume list. From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 03:24:36 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:24:36 -0000 Subject: Source of Stats (was Re: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > I alleged: > > > > The posting rate is, in fact, about 800 a day at the moment. > > There > > > were over 180 posts in the first three hours after the list > > > > > The join rate is between 100 and 150 a day > > ME: Well, between midnight and 10 p.m. (US central) today, there were 575 posts on HPfGU... hey folks, you're slooowing down... maybe by next week the list will be READABLE again?? ;-) However there is one really good post on HPfGU that everyone should read: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/64556 This is the FAQ that Grey Wolf wrote. I liked it so much I put a link to it on my livejournal. And a few minutes ago I told my husband about the 575 messages in less than one day on a list with over 8,000 members, and how various people say they read this 870 page book in 6 hours (or less, in some cases) while I felt good reading it in 2.5 days which included sleeping 7 hours each night AND taking blocks of 4-8 hours off each day to deal with Real Life stuff... and he just kind of shook his head and said, "You know, Anne, you're kind of obsessive {moi?}, but these folks..." Anne U "Even heroes have a right to bleed" http://www.livejournal.com/users/anneu53714 From dradamsapple at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 04:15:20 2003 From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 04:15:20 -0000 Subject: When is the next book coming out? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "todd_nmn" wrote: > Just wondering if anyone had heard anything? Are we going to have to > wait 2+ years for Book 6? I did not start reading HP until after GoF > came out, so I was able to read all 4 at once, and HATED waiting > until June 21, especially since I was out of town and had to wait > until Monday to get it!! > > Thanks > Todd Er, Dunno. Although, JKR did say in one interview I saw that she WILL NOT work with a deadline for the next two books, so it's a crap shoot as far as I can tell. My DH is convinced that it's all to do with marketing the films. He truly believes that the long-awaited book 5 took so long because of the first two films being made. And then she went and did some RL stuff like get married and have a baby. So, who knows. I personally believe that she will take her time, but I dont' think she is purposely waiting for the films to come out before the next book, although I do see how they can be disruptive (producers and directors, artists, special effects crew and all asking for her advice.) Just my two knuts . . . Anna . . . From jillily3g at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 04:44:08 2003 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (jillily3g) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 04:44:08 -0000 Subject: Can we make people wear "spoiler tape"? (spoilers) Message-ID: I am so annoyed with my MIL, who has gloated that she got her book for free from shopping at a particular (loathsome) grocery store, while I (happily) /purchased/ a US and a UK version, who asked me last weekend which page I was on (like it was a race--and then was annoyed when I "won"), and who today said, in front of my daughter, who hasn't finished, "I knew who would die because he was acting so funny through the whole book. I'm just glad it wasn't Hagrid." Aargh! What was that spell? /Silencio!/ or how about /Stupify!/ Beth From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 06:32:13 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New to HPFGU and an OT question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030627063213.89931.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Emeline Moore, in part: > I'm taking the advice of my HpforGrownups > welcome letter and introducing myself > over here. I'm Emeline, aged 20 and from > Michigan. Welcome. :) > PS, I have sort of an off topic query, > does anyone have any tricks for someone > who has low vision problems? The main > HPFGU group is very hard on my eyes; > I've tried the Internet Explorer > accessibility options to get rid of the > lavender background but the fonts and > sizes seem to change (from Arial to > Times New Roman and anywhere from 8 pt > to 12 pt font) whenever I change the > page. It's very frustrating on such a > high volume list. Et tu? Yes webview (reading from the website) is always frustrating. Makes keeping up impossible, instead of just nearly impossible, as it already is even in the 'off-season.' I finally gave up webview and went to individual emails. The only problem is that I don't seem to get every post that way...but then...I don't have the time to READ every post! I've been toying with the idea of switching to digests, which is slower but also much easier on the eyes and very efficient. If you want to switch to either methods (heck, why not try both?), just go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups and go to "Edit My Groups" to choose the method of "Message Delivery." Petra, randomly replying nowadays a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From elfundeb at comcast.net Fri Jun 27 09:49:52 2003 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:49:52 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > I see there have been 250 posts to HPfGU since I posted my jumbled > thoughts about OotP there last night. I cannot read 500 messages per > day from a single discussion group. Anyone want to summarize them for > me?? :-) ::takes a deep breath:: It *is* more peaceful over here. Nevertheless, I thought I'd share my own personal Main List Survival Strategy, since I can't read 500 posts a day either. Here's what I do. I pick a topic I'm interested in, like Snape's pensieve memories. Then I simply search on those terms using the Yahoo search function, which is lousy for digging back through the archives, but it works fine when you just want to see what's been posted in the last few days. (Though you might need to do more than one search, e.g., one for Snape and pensieve and another for Snape and memory.) I've managed two main list posts using this method. Of course, I have no idea what else they're talking about over there. Thestrals? What thestrals? Debbie From ression at hotmail.com Fri Jun 27 14:00:59 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:00:59 -0000 Subject: OOP: Chapter Four (non-spolier teaser) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030621083536.009c8460@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > OK, hands up anyone who checked whether or not the street name in the title > of Chapter Four really exists? > > Actually, scratch that. Hands up anyone who has somewhere to check but has > NOT checked whether or not it exists? Finally finished OOP, so can brave the Web once more ... I just, instantly, assumed it was one of JK's puns and didn't bother checking :)) ER From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 27 15:20:47 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:20:47 -0000 Subject: OoP: UK School, HB => Prefect? (was Re: ADMIN OOP: READ THIS FIRST most Frequent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > How did he become Head Boy if he wasn't prefect? > > > > Not all prefects become Head Boys (since there are many more > > prefects than Head Boys) and, while prefects seem to be a > > responsibility-oriented position, Head Boy may be awarded to > > academical achievements (which fits with Percy, James and Tom) > > In your dreams. I went to a UK school at roughly the same time as > JKR, it was a comprehensive school (= public high in USA) rather > than the posher model Hogwarts seems based on, but the head boy and > girl were drawn from the ranks of the prefects. If you are good > enough to be head boy then you are good enough to be a prefect. I > may be generalizing from too little evidence though. For those on > the list who went to, or taught at a UK school, did anyone find that > a head boy could be chosen who was not also a prefect? ::Pip!Squeak holds hand up Hermione style:: Me! Me! Mine was a single sex comprehensive, so rather than Head Girl/Boy, we had Head Girl, Deputy Head Girl. I was Deputy Head Girl, having never been a prefect. This was probably because school rules said that Prefects were chosen by the staff, whereas Head Girl/Deputy Head Girl were elected by the students. But the point is that there's a variety of rules, and not all British schools insist that only Prefects are eligible for Head Girl/Boy post. Pip From trisha.masen at verizon.net Fri Jun 27 15:21:57 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:21:57 -0400 Subject: Obsession Quiz updated Message-ID: <20030627152157.GJVZ20032.out005.verizon.net@localhost> > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:26:27 -0000 > From: "Anne" > Subject: Re: Obsession quiz updated > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "drmm_fuuko" > wrote: > > Hiyas. I guess this is the proper place to post this, rather than > the > > main list ... > > > > The Harry Potter Obsession Quiz (http://www.fuuko.com/hpquiz.html) > > has been updated for the first time in three years to reflect OotP, > > the movies and some other stuff (yes, I know Nimbus 2003 hasn't > been > > held yet but I probably won't update it for a few years again). > > > > So, how obsessed are you? :) > > > > DrMM (at 50% after the re-do) > > Interestingly, I'm only 30% obsessed (up from 29% the last time I > took this quiz), despite the fact that I participate in HP chats, am > joining a new HP RPG (Defence Association!!), and have written some > filks and am even trying my hand at fan fiction - none of which I > claimed the last time I took the quiz. Hmmm. > > Anne U > (still thinking about my dream in which Dudley gave Harry a wide > berth... of course two months ago I didn't know how much Dudders > would *need* Harry...) Erm, should I worry that my score was 41% obsessed. And I'm not even going to Nimbus. On another note, I received my UK version and have begun reading that (so I can lend my US copy to my husband). Yummy. ~Trisha~ From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 17:20:16 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:20:16 -0000 Subject: OoP: UK School, HB => Prefect? (was Re: ADMIN OOP: READ THIS FIRST most Frequent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" wrote: > did anyone find > that > > a head boy could be chosen who was not also a prefect? > > ::Pip!Squeak holds hand up Hermione style:: > > Me! Me! > > Mine was a single sex comprehensive, so rather than Head Girl/Boy, > we had Head Girl, Deputy Head Girl. I was Deputy Head Girl, having > never been a prefect. > > This was probably because school rules said that Prefects were > chosen by the staff, whereas Head Girl/Deputy Head Girl were elected > by the students. > > But the point is that there's a variety of rules, and not all > British schools insist that only Prefects are eligible for Head > Girl/Boy post. > > Pip So, are the Head Boy and Head Girl sort of like the student body president? Though in US schools, the student body president is usually just one person (either male or female, though I suppose there could be co-presidents). It sounds, though, like the prefects and head boy/head girl deal more with keeping order in the school. Do British schools have student councils like U.S. schools do? Anne U (trying not to think of theastrals, because I'd be able to see them) From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 17:59:18 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:59:18 -0000 Subject: New to HPFGU and an OT question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Emeline Moore" wrote: > > ...edited.. > > ?Emeline > > PS, I have sort of an off topic query, does anyone have any tricks > for someone who has low vision problems? The main HPFGU group is > very hard on my eyes; I've tried the Internet Explorer > accessibility options to get rid of the lavender background but the > fonts and sizes seem to change (from Arial to Times New Roman and > anywhere from 8 pt to 12 pt font) whenever I change the page. > It's very frustrating on such a high volume list. Hi Emeline, I use Mozilla, but to help you out I check my version of Internet Explorer 5.5 (I think the latest is 6.x). If you go to [Tools] [Internet Options] [Accessability] and put a check mark in '[] Ignore colors specified on webpages', that should get rid of the background colors and default to black and white, although LINK colors will probably still be set to blue to highlight them. Yahoo doesn't force any fonts on you; it uses your default proportional/variable width font (usually Arial, Tahoma, or similar) and the messages in Yahoo groups are your default fixed width font (usually MS-SanSerif, Courier, or Courier New). Sadly, the new web browsers whether Mozilla, Netscape, or Microsoft no longer give you a complete list of fonts to choose from, so you can pick Courier New, but you can't pick Courier New Bold which actually is a separate font. For your porportional font, which is used to read the list of topics, try using a bold font like Arial Black or Arial Rounded MT Bold (which is a very common font and you are likely to have it) that should at least make that part easier. For reading messages, the best you can do is select [View] [Text Size] and [Large] or [Larger] from the menu. I may be able to find a way to improve the monospace or fixed width fonts by making them bolder. Give me some time to work on it. I have a disk that has 3,000 fonts on it, and there might be a bold faced fixed width font available. Hope that helps. bboy_mn From timregan at microsoft.com Fri Jun 27 18:42:50 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:42:50 -0000 Subject: Book Price for used cars in UK? Message-ID: Hi All, This is totally and completely off topic. Can anybody living in the UK let me know the name of the magazine/book that is used to ascertain the `standard' price for second hand cars? I use to know, but unfortunately that post-it in my brain has been replaced with the American version, called the Blue Book. I could try to bring this post back on topic by some gratuitous mention of the Flying Ford Anglia but I don't think I'll bother. Cheers, Dumbledad, Preparing to move back to UK! From ression at hotmail.com Fri Jun 27 18:52:50 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:52:50 -0000 Subject: Book Price for used cars in UK? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > > Can anybody living in the UK let me know the name of the > magazine/book that is used to ascertain the `standard' price for > second hand cars? > It used to be Glasses Guide. Available to the trade "only" of course. ER From ariocarpus at canoemail.com Fri Jun 27 19:34:25 2003 From: ariocarpus at canoemail.com (twoctseven) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:34:25 -0000 Subject: Book Price for used cars in UK? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is someone looking for a Ford Anglia perhaps hehe. 2ct7 From pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net Fri Jun 27 19:58:29 2003 From: pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net (Pinguthegreek) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:58:29 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Price for used cars in UK? References: Message-ID: <048901c33ce6$7df70070$395fc487@personal> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Regan To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Price for used cars in UK? Hi All, This is totally and completely off topic. Can anybody living in the UK let me know the name of the magazine/book that is used to ascertain the `standard' price for second hand cars? I use to know, but unfortunately that post-it in my brain has been replaced with the American version, called the Blue Book. I think it's called Glass's Guide Michelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cindysphynx at comcast.net Fri Jun 27 20:52:01 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:52:01 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anne: > I see there have been 250 posts to HPfGU since I posted my jumbled > thoughts about OotP there last night. I must say, I never expected *this* kind of message volume! Wowee! We're already over 6000 main list messages for June, and we still have three days left. The previous record was around 3000 messages, and that was before OTC existed and without the list being closed for two days. You know what this means, don't you? We have to think up a creative scheme to ration out posting privileges. Um . . . how about this? Mondays -- FILKs only Tuesday -- OoP criticism only Wednesday -- OoP praise only Thursday -- TBAY only Friday -- FF only Saturday -- Shipping only Sunday -- Everyone who predicted Hagrid would die will eat crow ;-) Can anyone else do better? :-D Cindy -- wondering how long this kind of list volume can last From terryljames at hotmail.com Fri Jun 27 20:57:17 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (Terry James) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:57:17 -0500 Subject: HP Topic: Book 1 re-read (some OOP spoilers) Message-ID: If we post something on-topic, do we get tossed off the OT list? I just want to throw some thoughts out for discussion, and there's not much discussion on the main list at the moment--more like a feeding frenzy of posting. I thought it might be quieter here just for the moment. OK, here goes: I was re-reading SS looking for the reference someone mentioned, re Neville seeing monsters in the forest that no one else could see. Has anybody found if that is a valid reference, or did the poster just make a mistake? If valid, could someone send me a book & chapter # off-list? Thanks! Anyway, this is the first time I've re-read it in a while, and a lot of stuff struck me, as my perceptions have changed quite a bit since then. 1. At the very beginning, when Mrs. Figg breaks her leg and can't keep Harry for Dudley's birthday, Harry tells the Dursleys that he'd be happy to stay home. Petunia shrieks, "What? And come home to find the place in ruins?" Harry (and the reader) takes this as an implied statement that he would misbehave and wreck the place, and indeed he replies something like "I'm not going to blow the house up." But this time I had the immediate impression that she was afraid to leave Harry alone because she knew what had happened in Godric's Hollow--house in ruins after V's attack. Maybe she doesn't quite understand the "family" protection, and is worried that if Harry is not actually with the Dursleys, that he is vulnerable. Of course, she is more worried about the house than about Harry--she has no problem leaving him with Mrs. Figg. Or maybe she has instructions from Dumbledore on that as well. Does anyone else think this, or am I just over-analyzing this comment? 2. It never dawned on me that quite a few off Ron's off-the-cuff remarks come true until I got on HP4GU. Since then, it's become a game to examine every statement he makes. Here's one from SS I never noticed before: "And Neville will play Quidditch for England before Hagrid lets Dumbledore down." Anything to it? A red herring? Under what circumstances could either of these things happen? 3. I never realized how much Neville was mentioned in SS. He seemed to fade into the background in later books, but maybe he was there all the time and I just didn't notice. I'll be re-reading them all with new eyes from OOP experience. But he played a much bigger role than I remembered. 4. More foreshadowing? HRH share a first-year boat, of course, but Neville is the fourth person on the boat. 4. When Hagrid is shepherding the first years out of the boats and he says, "You there, still got your toad?" I was irresistibly reminded of "Both buttocks still on?" 5. I've got a very bad feeling that Ron will not survive until the end of Book 7. This comes from the wizard chess obstacle at the end, when Ron says he has to be sacrificed--the queen has to take him so that Harry can checkmate the king. This may be a little too obvious bit of foreshadowing for JKR, but with Bellatrix Lestrange coming into prominence, and V.rescuing her (where's her husband, anyway?) I see a future in which Ron will sacrifice himself to distract BL, who will be protecting V., so that Harry has a clear path to V. 6. And if Book 7 does have a parallel with Book 1, then HRH will work together to overcome many obstacles, demonstrating bravery, guts, and lots of luck....but Neville will provide the finishing touch to wrap everything up. Which will tie in nicely with that aggravating non-specific prophecy. Terry LJ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From catlady at wicca.net Fri Jun 27 23:20:41 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:20:41 -0000 Subject: 1) Chapter Four Spoiler / Later Chapter Spoiler Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ER" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > > > OK, hands up anyone who checked whether or not the street name in > > the title of Chapter Four really exists? > > Actually, scratch that. Hands up anyone who has somewhere to > > check but has NOT checked whether or not it exists? > > I just, instantly, assumed it was one of JK's puns and didn't > bother checking :)) I instantly assumed that Grimmauld was a made-up name, but my first thought was she had named it after some Grimaldi of history or fiction, and I thought: "Surely not the royal family of Monaco? Was there an 18th or 19th century stage magician with stage name Grimaldi?" It wasn't until the next chapter that I realised it was a pun (Grim Old Place), to which Pippin replied that that is a pun on the Grim. Terry James wrote: << re Neville seeing monsters in the forest that no one else could see. Has anybody found if that is a valid reference, >> Is that a reference to Harry, Neville, Luna, and a stringy Slytherin boy (Blaise Zabini? Theodore Nott?) being able to see the threstrals? They can be seen only by people who have seen death, and Neville saw his grandfather die. There is no implication that Neville's gaffer's death was a terrible tragedy; probably he died relatively peaceably of old age at with his family around him, maybe even uttering some precious last words like: "I'll always remember you." But if dying at home was the wizarding standard custom, I'd think more of the kids would have seen a grand-, great-grand-, or great-great-grand-parent or aunt or uncle die. Incidentally, this has GOT to be PROOF that the Muggle edition of Fabulous Beasts is very much abridged. Thestrals are in FB under Winged Horses. Winged Horses get one short paragraph in the Muggle edition, and Threstrals get only half a sentence: "and the rare Threstral (black, possessed of the power of invisibility, and considered unlucky by some wizards)." I figure JKR couldn't tell us that they're skeletal, scaley, bat-winged, and seen only by those who've seen death, or we'd say "Oh, them" when Harry first saw them. I admit to thinking "what are those? they look like the moon horses at Dark Moon in the austringer's tale in The Door Into series; the word threstal is floating in my mind: I wish I had my FB with me to look it up." From timregan at microsoft.com Fri Jun 27 23:22:42 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:22:42 -0000 Subject: Who is the journalist JKR wants boiled in oil? Message-ID: Hi All, In the Albert Hall webcast, when answering the question "What would you see in the Mirror of Errised?", JKR says something like "And somewhere over my shoulder I'd see a particular journalist being boiled in oil." Who is she talking about? Cheers, Dumbledore. From catlady at wicca.net Fri Jun 27 23:26:45 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:26:45 -0000 Subject: Who is the journalist JKR wants boiled in oil? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In my previous post, I forgot to tell Terry James that I've announced S.S. SAD DENIAL on two fanfic y!groups. Btw, shouldn't that generally be R.S. whatever (for Relation Ship)? --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Hi All, > > In the Albert Hall webcast, when answering the question "What would > you see in the Mirror of Errised?", JKR says something like > > "And somewhere over my shoulder I'd see a particular journalist > being boiled in oil." > > Who is she talking about? Maybe the one who put a long interview with her ex-husband in The Mail on Sunday after HP & PS became famous? Was there one who pounced on Jessica at school? From drednort at alphalink.com.au Fri Jun 27 23:43:48 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:43:48 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OoP: UK School, HB => Prefect? (was Re: ADMIN OOP: READ THIS FIRST most Frequent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EFD6354.433.250B96@localhost> On 27 Jun 2003 at 17:20, Anne wrote: > So, are the Head Boy and Head Girl sort of like the student body > president? Though in US schools, the student body president is > usually just one person (either male or female, though I suppose > there could be co-presidents). It sounds, though, like the prefects > and head boy/head girl deal more with keeping order in the school. Do > British schools have student councils like U.S. schools do? Basically it depends on the school. In some cases, yes, there will be a lot of similarity to a Student Body President. In others, there won't be. In some cases, Prefects are expected to help maintain order and handle some disciplinary issues, in others, it's a ceremonial position. It's not like there is a single model, and in many cases, the model has changed over the years. I'll describe my school - which while Australian, was modelled on British schools. We had Prefects (I was one) who were 'semi-elected' by the senior students. That is, there was an election and it nearly always determined who 90% of the prefects would be - however the staff had a right-of-veto (very rarely exercised) and also could appoint Prefects if they felt the election hadn't selected someone who should have held the position - that was still rare, but more common than a veto. The Captain of the School was appointed by the Headmaster. In nearly all cases (all but 3 since 1895) he was a Prefect anyway. Prefects had some disciplinary powers - we all had to carry around cards at this school, which could be signed by a teacher or a prefect if they caught you misbehaving - if you ever managed to get 10 signatures in a term, you were severely punished (often physically). Prefects worked on a rota system, supervising the day boys on their way home from school - basically you'd have prefects on the train station watching. They were also expected to supervise other students when on excursions (in fact, I phoned the school only a couple of weeks ago, when I saw some guys from my old school behaving absolutely abominably on a trip to the Museum - there was a prefect with them, but he seemed pretty much incapable of maintaining order - I sympathised, I wasn't much good at it either). We also had an SRC - Student Representative Council. Totally elected by all students in the school. SRC members could be Prefects (and often were) but it had a different focus. It was supposed to represent students interests, and bring forward grievances, organise some social activities, etc. The SRC was pretty much a joke when I was at the school - it never got listened to - but that has changed a bit in the 11 years since I left. What else did we do? *Some* Prefects organised inter-school competition - at some stage in the dim, dark past, all interschool sports were organised by the Prefects, by the time I was at the school, sport wasn't anymore, but a few things like Debating competitions still were. We could be called upon to adjudicate lunchtime disputes - while telling on someone to a teacher was considered bad form, telling a Prefect about a fight was considered OK - because I'd been the victim of pretty severe bullying in my younger years, I was called on to deal with bullies a lot - people knew I took it seriously!. We also did things unofficially. At one stage, we found out that somebody had come onto an isolated part of the schools land and was trying to sell some of the younger kids drugs. We basically formed a group, went down there and surrounded him, and then persuaded him that that was a bad idea (and I do mean, persuaded - no violence, just a promise of violence if he returned.) Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From bettedavisgreen at aol.com Fri Jun 27 23:42:45 2003 From: bettedavisgreen at aol.com (bettedavisgreen at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:42:45 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who is the journalist JKR wants boiled in oil? Message-ID: <27.4365e429.2c2e3075@aol.com> Dans un e-mail dat? du 28/06/2003 01:28:42 Paris, Madrid (heure d'?t?), catlady at wicca.net a ?crit : > In my previous post, I forgot to tell Terry James that I've > announced S.S. SAD DENIAL on two fanfic y!groups. Btw, shouldn't that > generally be R.S. whatever (for Relation Ship)? > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" > wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >In the Albert Hall webcast, when answering the question "What would > >you see in the Mirror of Errised?", JKR says something like > > > >"And somewhere over my shoulder I'd see a particular journalist > >being boiled in oil." > > > >Who is she talking about? > > Maybe the one who put a long interview with her ex-husband in > The Mail on Sunday after HP &PS became famous? Was there one who > pounced on Jessica at school? Actually, her ex is a journalist... portuguese television, I believe. ******** Bette Davis Green Eyes are watching you!!! http://pageperso.aol.fr/bettedavisgreen/mapage/divers.html HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Jun 27 23:47:40 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:47:40 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debbie wrote: > I thought I'd share > my own personal Main List Survival Strategy, since I can't read 500 > posts a day either. Here's what I do. I pick a topic I'm interested > in, like Snape's pensieve memories. Then I simply search on those > terms using the Yahoo search function, which is lousy for digging > back through the archives, but it works fine when you just want to > see what's been posted in the last few days. Mine is shameful. I use the search function to look for the e-mail addresses of people whose posts I like. It's bad because it means interesting new people join the list and I don't realise it for weeks or months. David From lorischmidt1 at juno.com Fri Jun 27 23:47:56 2003 From: lorischmidt1 at juno.com (ladyofmisrule2000) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:47:56 -0000 Subject: OOP: Are you better than Trelawney? (spoilers) Message-ID: S P O I L E R W A R N I N G Ok, we know JKR loves to be surprising, but I'm betting some of you made a *correct* prediction regarding Book 5. Are you guys reading your tea leaves better than Trelawney, and if so, what were your most accurate guesses regarding Order of the Phoenix? I personally thought that Hermione would carry on an epistolary relationship with Krum. (Such a nice, Jane Austen-like touch!)And I figured that Percy would behave like a git. That's two predictions right, which isn't too good. But it's all right since Dumbledore seems to have enough Divination professors right now. Cheers! Lori From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sat Jun 28 00:06:10 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:06:10 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OoP: UK School, HB => Prefect? (was Re: ADMIN OOP: READ THIS FIRST most Frequent In-Reply-To: <3EFD6354.433.250B96@localhost> References: Message-ID: <3EFD6892.6724.39878A@localhost> On 28 Jun 2003 at 9:43, Shaun Hately wrote: > We also did things unofficially. At one stage, we found out that somebody had come > onto an isolated part of the schools land and was trying to sell some of the younger kids > drugs. We basically formed a group, went down there and surrounded him, and then > persuaded him that that was a bad idea (and I do mean, persuaded - no violence, just a > promise of violence if he returned.) Just to add to this for the sake of completeness. We also had a House system, and each House had an elected House President, who was, again, nearly always a Prefect, but didn't have to be (I'll tell you - all these different positions, as well as some sporting awards/debating awards/music awards, etc were indicated by embroidery on our blazer pockets - somebody who was House Captain, and a Prefect, and Captain of a sporting team, etc, etc, could have a pocket that weighed well over a pound from all the embroidery!). I never got it entirely clear what the House Presidents did - I spent most of my time hiding from mine - but it added another layer to the whole thing). Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 00:31:44 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:31:44 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > Debbie wrote: > > > I thought I'd share > > my own personal Main List Survival Strategy, since I can't read > 500 > > posts a day either. Here's what I do. I pick a topic I'm > interested > > in, like Snape's pensieve memories. Then I simply search on those > > terms using the Yahoo search function, which is lousy for digging > > back through the archives, but it works fine when you just want to > > see what's been posted in the last few days. > > Mine is shameful. I use the search function to look for the e-mail > addresses of people whose posts I like. It's bad because it means > interesting new people join the list and I don't realise it for > weeks or months. > > David You know, David, I just might adopt *your* strategy. There ARE certain people whose posts I love ... and others whose posts I've decided to avoid for various reasons. I have noticed that I don't recognize the names of a lot of the current posters; I did kind of drop off the list around Easter when my previous computer died (and I had to wait a week to get the new one set up, and by then I was a thousand messages behind)... so maybe some of these folks have been posting the past 2 months and I was just not aware of them, or maybe they're mostly lurkers come out of the proverbial lurking closet... and perhaps some of them are totally new to HPfGU, drawn in specifically by OotP. Anne U (now reading OotP to my daughter, meaning, very slowly) From Chasewildstar at attbi.com Sat Jun 28 04:01:35 2003 From: Chasewildstar at attbi.com (Chase Wildstar) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:01:35 -0400 Subject: official HP newsletter, from WB? Message-ID: <000f01c33d29$f85d6690$9c01f50c@mac> Has anyone been getting the hogwarts, "daily prophet" news letter from the WB HP site? I signed up for it and haven't gotten one in quite a while From boggles at earthlink.net Sat Jun 28 05:44:36 2003 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:44:36 -0500 Subject: Some people just don't get it . . . (warning: mild language) Message-ID: As I believe I've mentioned here before, I happen to be a Pagan. Over the course of my life, people have accused a number of hobbies - D&D (and roleplaying in general), heavy metal, various comic books and novels, etc., etc., of causing good Christian kids to fall into Paganism or Satanism, which the, er, individuals making the accusation don't seem to draw a distinction between. Speaking as a person raised Christian who has, in fact participated in most of those hobbies and is now Pagan, I can state on good authority that none of said hobbies are responsible for my current religious path or spiritual state. The Harry Potter books are only the latest in a long line of things that these people seem to enjoy making it difficult for me to publicly enjoy without giving them ammunition for their proclaimations. Now, a fellow Pagan and Harry Potter fan in my local community just received the letter below in her mail: >"We are through playing Harry Potter pussy with people like you! This is >your future Mrs. Waldie! We think you agree it's not very bright." Enclosed with the note was a Jack Chick tract with a depiction of the Grim Reaper on the cover and "Get out of Texas! The Church" written on the back. We're not sure if this was an actual death threat or not, but she reported it to the police. Just great . . . now not only do they have us mixed up, the anti-Potterites are sending out hate mail. -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles(at)earthlink.net "It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. " - Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808. From tongapeach at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 06:03:07 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:03:07 -0000 Subject: official HP newsletter, from WB? In-Reply-To: <000f01c33d29$f85d6690$9c01f50c@mac> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chase Wildstar" wrote: > Has anyone been getting the hogwarts, "daily prophet" news letter from the > WB HP site? > I signed up for it and haven't gotten one in quite a while AH! So happy! completely off topic- Sister Hazel rocks! ;-) (long time fan FINALLY got to see them live!) Anywho, back to the question... I'd signed up for it, but I haven't received one in AGES either. I'm not sure what's going on. Anyone? Tonga From emelinemoore at mianla.net Sat Jun 28 06:34:28 2003 From: emelinemoore at mianla.net (Emeline Moore) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:34:28 -0000 Subject: New to HPFGU and an OT question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to all who posted or email suggestions! I think I'm just going to go on Daily Digest - at least until my email crashes... ;) -Emeline From tongapeach at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 07:50:42 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:50:42 -0000 Subject: Wildly curious... (and a possible spoiler) Message-ID: I was sitting here, at 4am, thinking about July and wondering just who on this list is planning on being at Nimbus this year. I've been an avid HP fan for *years*, even though I've only recently joined some groups, including this one. I don't know many people who like to discuss HP as much as I do, in fact most of the time I think some friends and my family get tired of me. ;-) I'm really looking forward to meeting some of my fellow fans, but I'm worried that I'm going to arrive and not know a *soul*. Tonga- who really should be sleeping and not worrying over such trivial matters ---- My favorite line from OotP? "You know, Minister, I disagree with Dumbledore on many things... but you cannot deny he has style..." ;-) From heidit at netbox.com Sat Jun 28 10:45:05 2003 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:45:05 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wildly curious... (and a possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1056797109.2BC43FB0@r5.dngr.org> I think everyone will be plesantly surprised as to who they are going to see - nametags will be full of familiar names and a good number of programming sessions will feature presentations by hpfgu regulars. Of course I'm going - newborn in tow - although I'm not sure how many programming sessions I'll make it to because of Jon. I can't believe we'll be there in under # weeks -and really, I think given ootp, it'll be a bit theraputic for everyone. Heidi tandy :;: team nimbus - 2003 On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 3:50AM -0500, tongapeach wrote: > Real-To: "tongapeach" > > I was sitting here, at 4am, thinking about July and wondering just > who on this list is planning on being at Nimbus this year. I've been > an avid HP fan for *years*, even though I've only recently joined > some groups, including this one. > > I don't know many people who like to discuss HP as much as I do, in > fact most of the time I think some friends and my family get tired of > me. ;-) I'm really looking forward to meeting some of my fellow fans, > but I'm worried that I'm going to arrive and not know a *soul*. > > Tonga- who really should be sleeping and not worrying over such > trivial matters > > ---- > > My favorite line from OotP? "You know, Minister, I disagree with > Dumbledore on many things... but you cannot deny he has style..." ;-) > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Joanne0012 at aol.com Sat Jun 28 15:09:25 2003 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:09:25 -0000 Subject: New to HPFGU and an OT question. In-Reply-To: <20030627063213.89931.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan < ms_petra_pan at y...> wrote: > > does anyone have any tricks for someone > > who has low vision problems? The main > > HPFGU group is very hard on my eyes; > > I've tried the Internet Explorer > > accessibility options to get rid of the > > lavender background but the fonts and > > sizes seem to change (from Arial to > > Times New Roman and anywhere from 8 pt > > to 12 pt font) whenever I change the > > page. It's very frustrating on such a > > high volume list. Have you tried going to the "View" option at the top of the Internet Explorer screen, and selecting a "Text Zoom" that enlarges everything? I'm on a Mac, so my experience might be atypical, but when I view the messges on the web site, the typeface and background is always the same for every message; I'm not sure whether this is a Mac thing, or something in my setup (which was done for me by my darling son-in-law). From bettedavisgreen at aol.com Sat Jun 28 15:36:07 2003 From: bettedavisgreen at aol.com (bettedavisgreen at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:36:07 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] official HP newsletter, from WB? Message-ID: <14d.20e45efc.2c2f0fe7@aol.com> Dans un e-mail dat? du 28/06/2003 06:02:42 Paris, Madrid (heure d'?t?), Chasewildstar at attbi.com a ?crit : > Has anyone been getting the hogwarts, "daily prophet" news letter from the > WB HP site? > I signed up for it and haven't gotten one in quite a while > Last one came on June 5. It's roughly on monthly basis, so I suppose the next one will be in a week and a half, two weeks. ******** Bette Davis Green Eyes are watching you!!! http://pageperso.aol.fr/bettedavisgreen/mapage/divers.html HPGCv1 a31 e++ x+ -- z+++ A27 Rhp HPa S+++ Mo HaP++ HG++ RW++ AD++ RH+++ VK& NhN& SB& DM--- O++ F sfD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From enemy2oftheheir at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 16:56:45 2003 From: enemy2oftheheir at yahoo.com (*Jamie*) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1098 In-Reply-To: <1056791544.306.17268.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030628165645.78222.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com> Ohhhh, I wish I was going!! Unfortunately, I am still a minor... (I'm 17, but mature.) so my parents have say in where I go and such. Hopefully, if they have it again next year, I can go. I SO want to go and meet Cassandra Claire. I'm this HUGE fan of her work, and want to meet her... but I am already going on a trip this year, so I'm not allowed. But I would love to talk to you about OotP!! I'm dying to talk to someone else about it. I already know all of my friends views, so I would like to hear someone else's. Feel free to IM me, or email me back or something! ^_~ ~Jamie HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com wrote: ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? 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I don't know many people who like to discuss HP as much as I do, in fact most of the time I think some friends and my family get tired of me. ;-) I'm really looking forward to meeting some of my fellow fans, but I'm worried that I'm going to arrive and not know a *soul*. Tonga- who really should be sleeping and not worrying over such trivial matters ---- My favorite line from OotP? "You know, Minister, I disagree with Dumbledore on many things... but you cannot deny he has style..." ;-) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joym999 at aol.com Sat Jun 28 17:18:56 2003 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:18:56 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > Debbie wrote: > > > I thought I'd share > > my own personal Main List Survival Strategy > Mine is shameful. I use the search function to look for the e-mail > addresses of people whose posts I like. It's bad because it means > interesting new people join the list and I don't realise it for > weeks or months. Oooh, a True Confession! I *love* True Confessions, especially from David. :-D Mine is almost as bad, though -- I skim thru the subject headings, reading all the posts by people I know and occasional (interesting- sounding) posts by people I don't know. I've gotten to know a few new people that way, but not many. After all, membership is up to 8500, and counting. Yikes! --Joywitch /\ / \ / \ / \ / \ __/ \__ (not sure if the hat graphic will work) From lhuntley at fandm.edu Sat Jun 28 18:56:15 2003 From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:56:15 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy and HELP ME! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Debbie wrote: > > > I thought I'd share > > > my own personal Main List Survival Strategy David?: > > Mine is shameful. I use the search function to look for the e- mail > > addresses of people whose posts I like. It's bad because it means > > interesting new people join the list and I don't realise it for > > weeks or months. I do this as well, although I sometimes supplement it with searches for things I'm particularly interested in (i.e. Neville and Thestrals). That way I find a lot of the good discussions that don't necessarily involve "big-name" posters ^_~. I also skim the headings of the rest of the mail before I delete it all, to see if something catches my eye. On a side note, I've recently had to switch to the mail server of my college. Unfortunately, it refuses to send messages to yahoo groups. I tried to find a nice free pop3/smtp server online, but I found none that would send to yahoo groups. Do they exist? I've discovered that I can send messages from the group's site (as I am doing now), but it's a bit of a hassle. Can anyone offer a solution to my problem? Laura (who can't BELIEVE the amount of mail being posted over at the main list) From catlady at wicca.net Sat Jun 28 19:55:38 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:55:38 -0000 Subject: Thestrals (was: Main List Survival Strategy ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" wrote: > Mine is almost as bad, though -- I skim thru the subject headings, > reading all the posts by people I know and occasional (interesting- > sounding) posts by people I don't know. I've gotten to know a few > new people that way, but not many. After all, membership is up to > 8500, and counting. Yikes! If you don't read Main List posts by people you don't know, then you probably haven't seen all the combined-reply messages because threading doesn't work on them) replying to you that Neville saw the thestrals because he saw his grandfather die (presumably quite peacefully, of old age, at home or in a hospice with the family gathered around) and that Thestrals *were* mentioned in FB -- they got half a sentence in the one short paragraph on Winged Horses. Which, along with the section on Werewolves not telling how to distinguish the werewolf from the true wolf (the shape of the snout, the pupil of the eye, the tufted tail, and two others), is Proof that the Muggle edition of FB is heavily abridged... From joym999 at aol.com Sat Jun 28 21:04:51 2003 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:04:51 -0000 Subject: Thestrals (was: Main List Survival Strategy ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > If you don't read Main List posts by people you don't know, then you > probably haven't seen all the combined-reply messages because > threading doesn't work on them) replying to you that Neville saw the > thestrals because he saw his grandfather die (presumably quite > peacefully, of old age, at home or in a hospice with the family > gathered around) and that Thestrals *were* mentioned in FB -- they > got half a sentence in the one short paragraph on Winged Horses. Thanks, Rita, I did read that. I always read responses to my own posts, no matter who writes them. In fact, I bet that most people look for the responses to what they write, even when they don't read anything else, since everyone wants to know what people think about what they say. --Joywitch From cindysphynx at comcast.net Sat Jun 28 22:04:20 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:04:20 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David confessed: > Mine is shameful. I use the search function to look for the e-mail > addresses of people whose posts I like. It's bad because it means > interesting new people join the list and I don't realise it for > weeks or months. Mine is even more shameful. I use the search function to search for "TBAY" before anything else. Man, you lose the plot of what's going on in the Bay and you are really, er, up a creek without a paddle. And boy, it used to be really hard to keep up before we had the prefix! Catlady: >If you don't read Main List posts by people you don't know, then you >probably haven't seen all the combined-reply messages because >threading doesn't work on them) Yeah, those combined messages are a problem for me too. I miss most of them, I'm afraid, because the threading function doesn't work on them. Definitely my loss. Cindy -- admitting she hasn't read every single TBAY message ever posted, thinking she has come pretty close, but confessing that she never quite figured out what was going on in Diana's castle From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 28 22:12:54 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:12:54 -0000 Subject: COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendation followup Message-ID: I know this is bizzarely OT, but was, at least for me, a quite interesting topic before the release of OOP. In any case I wanted to let all those who chimed in with their computer/notebook recommendations know that I decided on a Mac Powerbook G4. I haven't gotten it yet (I shan't until school starts in August), but I'm excited about it, and, if I continue to post on this group, you'll know that I wasn't *so* stupid...I must've figured out how to use it. Thanks again guys! Scott From susannahlm at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 22:25:43 2003 From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:25:43 -0000 Subject: TBAY Posts and a Yahoo Question Message-ID: Derannimer writes: Yeah, I know, I *am* Derannimer, but you know when you go to the group page? You know how, for the most recent five posts or so, you can see the first line or so of those posts? Well, I wanted my name to appear there, so that hopefully people will know that my post actually has an author. Because I keep sending messages, and in the "Author" column, it keeps reading "No Author." What in the world is that? Does anybody know how to stop it? I just got a new computer, and was wondering if it had something to do with that; does Yahoo like Macs? Does Yahoo like Safari? Help! Cindy wrote: > Mine is even more shameful. I use the search function to search > for "TBAY" before anything else. Man, you lose the plot of what's > going on in the Bay and you are really, er, up a creek without a > paddle. And boy, it used to be really hard to keep up before we had > the prefix! > Catlady: >>If you don't read Main List posts by people you don't know, then you >>probably haven't seen all the combined-reply messages because >>threading doesn't work on them) > Yeah, those combined messages are a problem for me too. I miss most > of them, I'm afraid, because the threading function doesn't work on > them. Definitely my loss. > Cindy -- admitting she hasn't read every single TBAY message ever > posted, thinking she has come pretty close, but confessing that she > never quite figured out what was going on in Diana's castle Hah! *I'm* even weirder than *that.* When I joined -- maybe a year ago? -- and discovered TBAY, I went through the archives searching for TBAY posts, and *then,* when I realized that the prefix hadn't always been used, I searched for people's *names* -- "Tabouli," for instance, because I knew she was a really early TBAYer -- and dug through the archives a couple of years, I guess, back, trying to find TBAY posts that *didn't* have the prefix. I figured that if there was a big pre-prefix TBAY thread, Tabouli would be in it somewhere. I'm still not sure what was going on in Diana's castle. I do know that Porphyria used to mooch around getting sozzled a lot, and that you all played croquet and volleyball with pink flamingos and flying hedgehogs, and that you, Cindy, and Elkins, used to spike the hedgehogs at each other's heads. But I'm not entirely sure what all Porpyria and Diana and. . . was it Eloise?. . . were up to there. Derannimer, who has heard that some people don't *like* TBAY. Why? From illyana at mindspring.com Sat Jun 28 22:32:24 2003 From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:32:24 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] COMPLETELY OT: computer recommendation followup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <63D87296-A9B8-11D7-BFAC-003065B8B954@mindspring.com> On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 03:12 , Scott wrote: > I know this is bizzarely OT, but was, at least for me, a quite > interesting topic before the release of OOP. In any case I wanted to > let all those who chimed in with their computer/notebook > recommendations know that I decided on a Mac Powerbook G4.? I > haven't gotten it yet (I shan't until school starts in August), but > I'm excited about it, and, if I continue to post on this group, > you'll know that I wasn't *so* stupid...I must've figured out how to > use it. > > Thanks again guys! > > Scott > Congrats on your decision! I hope I had a little something to do with your picking a Mac (unless you end up hating it - then, I hope you totally forget about what I said). illyana HPGCv1 a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC-- GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Sat Jun 28 22:40:17 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:40:17 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy Message-ID: I don't have one. I'm up to Message 63159 of 65519. Tuesday, June 24, 2003, 1:17 pm -- finally past noon! From cindysphynx at comcast.net Sat Jun 28 23:24:58 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:24:58 -0000 Subject: TBAY Posts and a Yahoo Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Derannimer, who has heard that some people don't *like* TBAY. Why? Heh, heh. Oh, I dunno. They just don't, I guess. No accounting for taste, I suppose. Nah, no need to talk about why that might be. No, no, no. We wouldn't want to do *that!* Heh, heh. Heh. Cindy -- who would dive into a bunker but who doesn't think there are bunkers in the Bay From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sat Jun 28 23:41:00 2003 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:41:00 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] TBAY Posts and a Yahoo Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3EFEB42C.7239.32AFB55@localhost> On 28 Jun 2003 at 22:25, derannimer wrote: > Derannimer, who has heard that some people don't *like* TBAY. Why? Personally, because it complicates things. When I'm reading, expecially on a high traffic list, I want to get straight to the detail, the information in the post. I don't particularly like having to wade through padding to get to the meat of what people are saying. TBAY posts tend to have a lot of that padding (-8 That's not to say, I don't think people should post in that fashion - obviously a lot of people get a lot of pleasure out of it, and knowing that they do, I'm certainly willing to put up with the slight amount of inconvenience I feel reading the posts (especially as they often are very entertaining). But you asked, so I thought I'd answer. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) |email: drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 23:58:09 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:58:09 -0000 Subject: Thestrals (was: Main List Survival Strategy ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" wrote: > I always read responses to my own > posts, no matter who writes them. In fact, I bet that most people > look for the responses to what they write, even when they don't read > anything else, since everyone wants to know what people think about > what they say. > > --Joywitch OH NO!!! I've been found out (ducks under computer desk). I posted my new definitely-not-ready-for-prime-time TBAY theory, FINETOOTHCOMB, last night, and when I turned my computer on this morning, I immediately went to see if anyone had replied. But as of 9:30 a.m. no one had :-( I haven't had time to check for any replies since then, but with my luck I'd have to plow through another 376 messages before I found one, if any. Anne U (who watched that HP-stuff video with Hugh Laurie last night...it was okay but not great) From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 00:03:30 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:03:30 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > I don't have one. I'm up to Message 63159 of 65519. Tuesday, June 24, > 2003, 1:17 pm -- finally past noon! Perhaps this is proof that Rita (Prince Winston, not Skeeter) is on course to become the first Muggle resident of St. Mungo's. I believe there's a bed available next to Gilderoy Lockhart ;-) Just kidding of course. I'm in awe of your dedication. And you were only 2,360 messages behind when you posted this:-) Anne U (You're a better man than me, Gunga Din) From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 29 00:27:47 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:27:47 -0000 Subject: moved from Main List (re: Founders / teachers) Message-ID: Hi, Anne, thanks for the shout-out. By the way, last week I realized why I was troubled by the name Kompulsieve Alley for the shopping district at Nimbus 2003: "compulsivally" is NOT A WORD. So I tried to come up with something better. My first effect was Happ Alley, but my best was to name it after you: Anne U Alley. On the Main List, I have just got up to Jenny from Ravenclaw's post of Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:32 pm, in which she wrote: << Here's what I found a bit unsettling about the Sorting Hat's song: Hufflepuff *was* the only one to say "Ah, who cares what each kid brings? Let's teach 'em all! I don't care who I have in my house." We can debate whether or not the other founders only wanted certain kids to attend Hogwarts or simply certain kids in the Houses, but the fact remains that they *did* want to separate kids based on background/personality, not interests. When people start establishing groups based on things that are uncontrolled, bad things are bound to happen, especially when it comes to education. >> My long-ago experience of being a student, when all children of the same age, from the brightest to the downright stupid, were put into the same class and ordered to all learn at the same, average, speed, was that it led to the bright kids being frustrated, bored out of their minds, and hated by the other kids and many of the teacters, and to the stupid kids being frustrated, bored out of their minds, and hated by the other kids. Therefore, I believe that bad things are bound to happen when all students are forced to be the same in order to avoid distinguishing between them. I'm not thrilled by Salazar's emphasis on blood lines (understatement!), but I feel great sympathy for Godric and Rowena: just because they were two of the four greatest wizards and witches of their day doesn't mean that they had either the training or the personality to be Special Ed teachers. I can strongly feel their desire not to accept students at whom they would always be enraged because of their frustration with that student not being able to understand the simplest thing (Rowena) or always being a crybaby who needs special coddling (Godric). It always seems to me that Helga wanted students who work hard and obey the rules, and try not to call attention to themselves. It seems to me that she would expel Slytherin AND Gryffindor types for their rule-breaking, and many Ravenclaw types for reading ahead in their books and studying topics that weren't on the curriculum. Certainly I already admired her as "good Hufflepuff", but that was because I saw her as peace-maker among the other Founders, proposing compromises that let them three SHARE the glory they were squabbling over, and leaving none for her. Not because I thought I could endure to be in her House. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sun Jun 29 02:25:29 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:25:29 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catlady (Rita Prince Winston wrote: > I don't have one. I'm up to Message 63159 of 65519. Tuesday, June 24, > 2003, 1:17 pm -- finally past noon! Goodness me! I hope you do survive. I gave up trying to read every post over a year ago. David, not wanting to see Thestrals that much From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 29 02:33:29 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:33:29 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > David, not wanting to see Thestrals that much I suppose it has to be the death of a human, and having beloved cats die in one's arms doesn't count.... From andie at knownet.net Sun Jun 29 03:22:09 2003 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:22:09 -0000 Subject: Abbreviations Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a list on here somewhere, or on the main list, that tells what all of the various abbreviations are. For example, I know that SHIP refers to the various ideas regarding relationships between Harry, Hermione, etc., but sometimes, I questions what a few of them mean. Can anyone point me the way? Or tell me a few of the major ones? Thanks! grindieloe :) From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 29 03:29:51 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:29:51 -0000 Subject: Abbreviations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe" wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a list on here > somewhere, or on the main list, that tells what all of the various > abbreviations are. For example, I know that SHIP refers to the > various ideas regarding relationships between Harry, Hermione, > etc., but sometimes, I questions what a few of them mean. Can > anyone point me the way? Or tell me a few of the major ones? In the Main List database section (go to the Home Page, click on Database in the list on the left side), there is a database named Inish Alley to explain the acronyms. From Malady579 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 04:36:14 2003 From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:36:14 -0000 Subject: TBAY Posts In-Reply-To: <3EFEB42C.7239.32AFB55@localhost> Message-ID: >>Derannimer, who has heard that some people don't *like* TBAY. Why? Shaun wrote: > Personally, because it complicates things. When I'm reading, > especially on a high traffic list, I want to get straight to the > detail, the information in the post. I don't particularly like > having to wade through padding to get to the meat of what people are > saying. TBAY posts tend to have a lot of that padding (-8 Oh, but shouldn't we all stop to smell the roses sometimes? I know we can be a bit...prolific at times with our characters but that is what I love about TBAY. It gives us a chance to write a post in a style that is not a lecture. Let me explain why I love it so much. See. We all can write our opinions in bullet form and give a, b, and c about why we believe a theory to be so. It is ingrained in us from our lovely education during the 20th (21st) century. A nice way to present theories, but it can be a bit too...eh...non-creative at times, I guess. I mean, sometimes the occasion asks for more. It needs a destroyer or rubber ducky. It needs a canon museum or a bar room scene to capture what the theorist is shooting for. It just adds to the spice of a theory. But, what I find more appealing about theories is *how* we get to that conclusion, and that is the type of TBAYs I like to write. See, when I start to argue a theory in my head before I post it, I set up side A for it and side B against it. I have this whole debate in my head with each side jabbing at each other to win the right to be my viewpoint complete with narrative and props. (no, I do not need therapy. ::big grin::) I like to follow how I reasoned a theory or rather how I made it plausible in my mind. The line of reasoning. That is what I like to write in TBAY. That debate. We each, the TBAY'ers, pick characters to *semi* be us and do this debate with other characters also populating the bay. If we fear we might get that character's owner's opinions wrong, we can invent new characters or ways to debate (i.e. I brought my brother in on a debate once). And, this is fun to us. And, *anyone* can join in on that fun. That is what is even more exciting about the bay. It is open ended and an open invitation for anyone that wants to play with us. Just read a bit of its history and jump on in. But, I do know some find the style to be too long-winded and difficult to follow. I am sorry, but I am also glad they let us have our fun. It is just a silly game. That is all, though it also is an exercise of the creative mind as well. It is one thing to list why you support a theory in a business like manner. It is a whole other thing to debate it "live" with a slew of characters making the narrative interesting, life like, and adding plot development. Shaun finished saying: >I'm certainly willing to put up with the slight amount of >inconvenience I feel reading the posts (especially as they often are >very entertaining). But, that is what is so great about tbay. Its entertainment factor when it is written well. It shows theories in a more emotional and thought provoking way because it can manipulate how the theory is presented. Tbay may not be for everyone, but everyone is invited to join in on the fun if they so want to. So, come over to the safe house for tea. We can be very civil over tea after all. :) Melody From editor at texas.net Sun Jun 29 05:00:16 2003 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:00:16 -0500 Subject: Why *I* like TBAY, from a bad TBAY writer References: Message-ID: <003e01c33dfb$557c4900$2c04a6d8@texas.net> Since nobody asked, I am giving my opinion. I love TBAY posts, although I personally suck at writing them and only rarely get cameos in other people's. Part of the reason is that I love that whole "pick up the ball and run with it" thing, where stuff from one person's post shows up in other people's; it's so fun to see how people pick up on things. Like the other professors following Snape's lead with Lockhart. The other reason is more solidly analytical. There was once a memory method; I cannot recall the name of it, but it involved mentally constructing a house or some structure, to the degree that you could "walk" through it, know what the rooms were, "see" the place in your mind. Then, you used the structure to store memories. You did a visual mnemonic for things you wanted to remember; you "stored" memories "in" the house somewhere. This mental discipline allowed you to put the memory there, and then "forget" about it, because it was stored; until you were walking through that room again and saw the trigger for the memory. As I said, I do not remember details, but this was a mental discipline long ago, before ready access to paper and pen, or even ready access to literacy. It was a visual and nonlinear thing, using objects and associations. Those who practiced it extensively would find that their subconscious might move things around; they would find associations between ideas that they had not consciously realized, but found when they went "into" their memory house. It became not just a storehouse, but an analytical tool. TBAY is reminiscent of this, for me. TBAY has given life to theories and ideas. They walk around, serve drinks, interact, wash the dishes. They have taken on an existence external to their creators; other people can take them and make them do things. This ability to manipulate theories and ideas independently from their creator allows links, ideas, connections, possibilities, to flourish. It becomes almost an analytical tool. It does this without losing one bit of the fun. It is hysterical to read some of the stuff that people do; the souvenir shop had me on the floor. But the souvenirs themselves, what had been done to them, was and accurate reflection of the status of theories, and it was presented, as TBAY always is, in an almost allegorical form. That must be it--the allure of the allegory--for allegory as a form is meant to be enjoyed on more than one level. You are intended to experience the "on the face of it" while still not missing the deeper message. It's like watching two things at once. TBAY does this. Okay, that was long-winded. But I have been asked to speak at a local MENSA group on Harry Potter, and as I was typing this, it occurs to me that (other than showing them the Nimbus programming list) that this is a superb topic. I think TBAY is probably the most creative analytical tool I've seen in the fandom yet. So your input on this would be appreciated. ~Amanda From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 29 09:31:07 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:31:07 -0000 Subject: about Main List Message-ID: I am now up to Message 64532 of 65619 in the Main List, it's 2:30 in the morning, and I am going to go to bed. I'm not *really* so egotistical as to think that the OT list *really* cares for frequent updates on my progress, but I want to whine and bellyache: I'm not sure which is more irritating: the myriad posters asking questions that have already been answered a dozen times, because they won't take the trouble to read the posts (so why do they think someone will read theirs?) or don't have the brains to use the Search function. Or the posters who have NO IDEA of snipping the posts to which they're replying, not even snipping off the Y!Mail advertisements at the bottom! Darling MEGs, can't you slap their little hands? From Malady579 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 13:55:39 2003 From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:55:39 -0000 Subject: about Main List: Catlady's marathon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catlady updated: > I am now up to Message 64532 of 65619 in the Main List, it's 2:30 in > the morning, and I am going to go to bed. I'm not *really* so > egotistical as to think that the OT list *really* cares for frequent > updates on my progress... Actually Catlady, I was wondering what you were going to do this weekend. There have been like 4000 posts this week, and I was curious if you were going to loyally read every one of them. Then I was going to ask which ones were worth reading. ;) But I like to read how others are dealing with the main list. I for one glaze over it and am just waiting for it to calm down. Mostly because the repetition of basic topics and questions were grating on me. But I am cheering for you on from the sidelines Cat. Catlady's plea: > but I want to whine and bellyache: > > I'm not sure which is more irritating: the myriad posters asking > questions that have already been answered a dozen times...**snip** > > Or the posters who have NO IDEA of snipping the posts to which > they're replying....**snip** >Darling MEGs, can't you slap their little hands? Can I second this plea? Is there a way we can "encourage" those guilty to read the posts relevant to their query (they can just glace at the titles) or at least browse the OoP FAQ. And the virtues of clipping are what I love about this site. It makes us an adult site and not a teenage site...well that and the lack of OMG posts. Is there are way to instill these virtues without scaring them away? Melody From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 29 15:03:20 2003 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 29 Jun 2003 15:03:20 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1056899000.33.72339.m7@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 Time: 11:00AM - 7:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. *Chat times are not changing for Daylight Saving/Summer Time.* Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type /join HP:1 For further info, see the Humongous BigFile, section 3.3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/hbfile.html#33 Hope to see you there! From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sun Jun 29 16:10:15 2003 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:10:15 -0000 Subject: Tinned question for Brits Message-ID: Greetings, I am this summer working at a small museum, and we occasionally get buses of cruise-ship passengers on day- or halfday-excursions. When we get British cruiseship-passengers visiting, they occasionally give me or the other guide some money, saying "for the tin". Am I correct in assuming this is not meant as a tip to the guides, but as a contribution to the museum (there presumably being a tradition in British small museums for a tin inwhich visitors donate money to the museum)? Incidentally, if you think your summerjob is bad, remember that there are worse jobs: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=571047 --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Melody" wrote: [snip] > But I like to read how others are dealing with the main list. > I for one glaze over it and am just waiting for it to calm down. > Mostly because the repetition of basic topics and questions were > grating on me. [snip] I deal by avoiding the main-list completely. I thought catching up to OTChatter was bad enough. Best regards Christian Stub? From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 29 18:15:40 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:15:40 -0000 Subject: Phineas Nigellus means Black Black Message-ID: http://www.behindthename.com/ says NIGEL m English Pronounced: NIE-jel >From Nigellus, a Latinized form of NEIL. It is sometimes associated with Latin niger "black". PHINEAS m Biblical (Variant), English Pronounced: FIN-ee-as Variant of PHINEHAS used in some versions of the Bible. Phinehas is Pinhas (Pinchas). I already knew (and Beyond the Name agrees) that Pinhas is from the Egyptian name Pa-Nehasi, meaning the Nubian (like modern kids are named Scott, Norman, Dane). From TeddyBearTeam at aol.com Sun Jun 29 19:45:31 2003 From: TeddyBearTeam at aol.com (Cindy) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:45:31 -0000 Subject: Chocolate Frogs Message-ID: Choocolate Frogs are coming..... http://www.thechocolateden.com From cindysphynx at comcast.net Sun Jun 29 20:43:36 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:43:36 -0000 Subject: about Main List: Catlady's marathon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Melody: > Actually Catlady, I was wondering what you were going to do this > weekend. There have been like 4000 posts this week, and I was >curious if you were going to loyally read every one of them. Then I >was going to ask which ones were worth reading. ;) You know, I sense a business opportunity for Catlady. If she has read all the posts to the main list, she could sell a list of the very best posts! I suspect lots of people would want that list! ;-) > But I like to read how others are dealing with the main list. I for > one glaze over it and am just waiting for it to calm down. Mostly > because the repetition of basic topics and questions were grating >on me. Yeah, that is a problem, huh? I keep going over just to marvel at the posting rate. I wonder how many posts per minute there have been on average since the list re-opened? I wonder what the highest number of posts in a single minute or hour might be? I have a feeling that figuring this out might involve *math.* Oh, ugh. > Is there a way we can "encourage" those > guilty to read the posts relevant to their query (they can just >glace at the titles) or at least browse the OoP FAQ. Sure. We could try to organize things a bit. We could decide that we'll focus on one topic at a time. Like decide that next week will be Snape week, then the following week might be Sirius week, and so forth. Maybe there'd be less cross-talk? Who knows. Not me, that's for sure. ;-) Cindy From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sun Jun 29 21:08:46 2003 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:08:46 -0000 Subject: Return chapter-summaries (was Re: about Main List: Catlady's marathon) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Cindy C." wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Melody" wrote: > > Is there a way we can "encourage" those guilty to read the > > posts relevant to their query (they can just glace at the > > titles) or at least browse the OoP FAQ. > > Sure. We could try to organize things a bit. We could decide > that we'll focus on one topic at a time. Like decide that next > week will be Snape week, then the following week might be Sirius > week, and so forth. Maybe there'd be less cross-talk? Who knows. > Not me, that's for sure. ;-) > > Cindy After GoF, HPfGU had weekly chapter- and character-summaries with attached questions. Essentially, each week there would be two volunteers, one doing a chapter-summary, and one doing a character- summary, the summaries including some questions relating to the chapter or character in question. This set-up was handled by the moderators, who had a list of volunteers, who each had a week and chapter and/or character assigned (some did both in the same week). This was done first for GoF, and then in order for the other three books. It was an excellent way of focussing discussion on list, and was an excellent way for also lurkers to learn things out of the debate. Consider this a request for the mdoerators to return this excellent feature to HPfGU. Best regards Christian Stub? From cindysphynx at comcast.net Sun Jun 29 21:43:43 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:43:43 -0000 Subject: Return chapter-summaries (was Re: about Main List: Catlady's marathon) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian wrote: > After GoF, HPfGU had weekly chapter- and character-summaries with > attached questions. Essentially, each week there would be two > volunteers, one doing a chapter-summary, and one doing a character- > summary, the summaries including some questions relating to the > chapter or character in question. This set-up was handled by the > moderators, who had a list of volunteers, who each had a week and > chapter and/or character assigned (some did both in the same >week). Hey, I remember those! When I first joined, I found this whole list of summaries, and they were definitely a blast. Neil Ward was in charge of organizing it, if I remember correctly. The thing is, though, it would take a lot of time to organize something like that (finding volunteers and setting up a schedule). Then the volunteers would need time to write up the summaries . . . Hmmm. A difficult timing problem, that. Cindy -- not volunteering or anything :-D From rvotaw at i-55.com Sun Jun 29 22:03:18 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:03:18 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter References: Message-ID: <01d501c33e8a$40187720$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> So, there's a survival strategy? I tried keeping up with the main list, really. I was obedient and combined posts, careful to read all current posts first to make sure the answer I was giving hadn't already been given so as not to fill up the list with needless repetition. However, I've noticed that a lot of the people who were usually the top posters (and, might I add, more interesting posters) weren't posting as much. I also noticed almost every question I had, or theory that I wanted input on, wasn't responded to at all. I'm sure it's not personal, but there is so much going on right now that it seems like something is bound to be overlooked. I've now gone to digest format (for the first time) and will have to go to no email later this week, as I'll be out of town for several days and away from a computer (sob!). I'm hoping that once things calm down I'll be able to discuss theories as usual again (and get some feedback, hopefully). It's just killing me not being able to get input from anyone, because my mind is whirling with all this new info, and telling it all to my mother just gets me an "oh." If I'm lucky. :) Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From terryljames at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 22:16:38 2003 From: terryljames at hotmail.com (terryljames76) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:16:38 -0000 Subject: A TBAY question re George In-Reply-To: <003e01c33dfb$557c4900$2c04a6d8@texas.net> Message-ID: I'm back on the list after a VERY long hiatus. When I left, TBAY was not really developed; since I've been back, the bay has been swamped by the hurricane. I've just caught a few posts here and there, but I really like them because not only, as someone said, can you get involved in the "story", but you get an idea of someone's character by how they write, how they choose to portray themselves, how they work other people's characters into their scene. You can tell more about a poster that way than you could if they just said "Here's what I think." All that said, somebody please tell me: Who is George? Is he a real person? Is he supposed to represent a theory? What's the 411 on him? Thanks! Terry LJ From cindysphynx at comcast.net Sun Jun 29 22:30:33 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:30:33 -0000 Subject: A TBAY question re George In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Terry, and welcome back! You're in luck. "Geroge" is the personification of a particular Snape theory. You can read about him in "Hypothetic Alley," found in "Fantastic Posts and Where To Find Them." http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/hypotheticalley.html There are some very good theories and threads that aren't reflected in Hypothetic Alley, though. The "Fantastic Posts" team is working on adding a few more things, but things will change a great deal post- OoP, of course. And if you have any other questions, please ask them here. One of the TBAYers will have the answer and can even point you to the relevant thread. Cindy -- recommending Elkins' Nine-Part Crouch post and subsequent discussion From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 29 23:02:18 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:02:18 -0000 Subject: A TBAY question re George In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "terryljames76" wrote: > I'm back on the list after a VERY long hiatus. When I left, TBAY > was not really developed; since I've been back, the bay has been > swamped by the hurricane. > > All that said, somebody please tell me: Who is George? Is he a > real person? Is he supposed to represent a theory? What's the 411 on him? > Thanks! > As well as being a theory personification, George is also a bit of a skit on 'George - the man who does everything'. ;-) Pip!Squeak From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sun Jun 29 23:12:15 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:12:15 -0000 Subject: TBAY Posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >>Derannimer, who has heard that some people don't *like* TBAY. Why? > > Shaun wrote: > > Personally, because it complicates things. When I'm reading, > > especially on a high traffic list, I want to get straight to the > > detail, the information in the post. I don't particularly like > > having to wade through padding to get to the meat of what people are > > saying. TBAY posts tend to have a lot of that padding (-8 Melody replied: > > Oh, but shouldn't we all stop to smell the roses sometimes? I know we > can be a bit...prolific at times with our characters but that is what > I love about TBAY. It gives us a chance to write a post in a style > that is not a lecture. Let me explain why I love it so much. > > See. > > We all can write our opinions in bullet form and give a, b, and c > about why we believe a theory to be so. It is ingrained in us from > our lovely education during the 20th (21st) century. A nice way to > present theories, but it can be a bit too...eh...non-creative at > times, I guess. I mean, sometimes the occasion asks for more. It > needs a destroyer or rubber ducky. It needs a canon museum or a bar > room scene to capture what the theorist is shooting for. It just adds > to the spice of a theory. I think this illustrates that it takes all sorts. Some of us like the discussion; some of us like the things the discussion shows us about the books. Most of us like both, but the balance of emphasis varies from person to person. Not all of us have memories that are the same, either: personifications and highly visual representations of theories can act as aide-memoires for some, while just adding to the burden of things to remember for others. And some of us have time to smell the roses, while others want to hoover up as many a, b, c bullets as possible in their fifteen minutes online at the beginning of the day. That's just the way it is. David From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sun Jun 29 23:35:35 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:35:35 -0000 Subject: New to HPFGU and an OT question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Emeline wrote: > Hi, > > I'm taking the advice of my HpforGrownups welcome letter and > introducing myself over here. I'm Emeline, aged 20 and from > Michigan. > > I started reading the Harry Potter series 9 months ago, and other > then a few discussion groups that were overrun by teenagers/kids > ? HPFGU is my first real place to discuss Harry Potter books. > Even though I find a list this large quite intimidating I look > forward to getting to know you more and hearing what others think of > Harry Potter. > > Anyone have any words of wisdom for a newbie? Hi, Emeline, and welcome! No words of wisdom here. We all kind of hope that the mad surge of posts will slow down (it has already slowed a bit over the weekend, down from 800 to 300 a day) soon. I think a good way to get to know people is to find posters who you like, and reply, either onlist or offlist. Nearly everybody thinks their posts get fewer replies than they would really like, so they tend to welcome replies. David From gandharvika at hotmail.com Mon Jun 30 00:15:27 2003 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:15:27 +0000 Subject: A TBAY question Re:SYCOPHANTS Message-ID: Cindy Wrote: >And if you have any other questions, please ask them here. One of >the TBAYers will have the answer and can even point you to the >relevant thread. Okay, I'm game. Here's a stumper.... SYCOPHANTS, Society for Yes-men, Cowards, Ostriches, Passive-Aggressives, Hysterics, Abject Neurotics, and Toadying SYCOPHANTS (post #34911...read it, it's amazing) What's up with the "Ostriches" bit? Never been able to figure that out. -Gail B. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From boggles at earthlink.net Mon Jun 30 00:17:09 2003 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:17:09 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A TBAY question Re:SYCOPHANTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:15 AM +0000 6/30/03, Gail Bohacek wrote: > >SYCOPHANTS, Society for Yes-men, Cowards, Ostriches, Passive-Aggressives, >Hysterics, Abject Neurotics, and Toadying SYCOPHANTS (post #34911...read >it, it's amazing) > >What's up with the "Ostriches" bit? Never been able to figure that out. A person with their head in the sand. Think the cartoon depiction of ostriches. -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles(at)earthlink.net "It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. " - Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808. From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 30 02:35:56 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (Kirstini) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:35:56 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: <01d501c33e8a$40187720$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Richelle: > So, there's a survival strategy? I tried keeping up with the main list, really. I was obedient and combined posts, careful to read all current posts first to make sure the answer I was giving hadn't already been given so as not to fill up the list with needless repetition. However, I've noticed that a lot of the people who were usually the top posters (and, might I add, more interesting posters) weren't posting as much.> Kirstini: Yes, yes, yes! I know I might be newer than most - I've only been around since January - but even *I'm* beginning to bristle territorially at the amount of posts and reposts discussing whether or not James could possibly be Head Boy if not a prefect, so I can only begin to imagine how you guys must be feeling. And if I have to scroll down through thirty, then twenty-nine, then twenty-eight little > symbols before getting to the actual post that I clicked on in the first place, only to find a LOL, I may go out and vent all my frustration on the next frail elderly person I see walking up the street. Physically. And I'm usually quite caring and sharing, as residents of Aberdeen go. I also miss all the interesting/top posters. I was following survival strategy A - sticking your favourite posters into the Search box, but it's all been depressingly brown for the past wee while. Will they go away soon, does anyone think (bad, uncharitable wench that I am)? Just wanted to register frustration. Not really expecting to change too many lives with this post. I'm done now. Thankyou. Kirstini From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 04:06:44 2003 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 04:06:44 -0000 Subject: Apparation question Message-ID: *de-lurking* I hope this is not too off topic, but I have a question and I wonder if there is something to it, or nothing to it. In the past books, when Harry hears some one Apparate or Disapparate, it is sometimes described as a "pop." Now, in OoP, Harry hears the "crack" sound, as when Mundungus leaves Harry alone to go after the stolen cauldrons. Before, I thought only Dobby went "crack" when he disappeared. I'm going to go back and read the chapter in OoP where the twins are apparating - I can't remember if the sound is described or not. I was just wondering if the sound is connected to the ability ie a "pop" if they have been apparating for a long time and "crack" when someone is still new at it. Or as in Mundungus' case, possibly drunk? I don't know! Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Alora From rvotaw at i-55.com Mon Jun 30 04:22:03 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:22:03 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Main List Survival/ Apparating References: Message-ID: <031401c33ebf$29441830$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> Kirstini: > Yes, yes, yes! I know I might be newer than most - I've only been > around since January - but even *I'm* beginning to bristle > territorially at the amount of posts and reposts discussing whether > or not James could possibly be Head Boy if not a prefect, so I can > only begin to imagine how you guys must be feeling. And if I have to I know exactly what you mean. I've only been around for a year, and it's driving me nuts. I am getting tired of searching all the posts for answers to my own questions before posting, only to get no response, when the same five questions are asked over and over and over and . . . Ah, well, I'll stop complaining. I'm just happy to have OoP in my possession! Alora wrote: > I'm going to go back and read the chapter in OoP where > the twins are apparating - I can't remember if the sound is > described or not. I was just wondering if the sound is > connected to the ability ie a "pop" if they have been > apparating for a long time and "crack" when someone is still > new at it. Or as in Mundungus' case, possibly drunk? I don't > know! Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? I noticed this, and thought basically as you did. A "crack" must be someone apparating who isn't as good at it, whereas a "pop" someone very experienced and adept. The twins do "crack" when they apparate, by the way. Richelle From rvotaw at i-55.com Mon Jun 30 04:29:40 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:29:40 -0500 Subject: British vs. US spelling/phrases Message-ID: <032001c33ec0$39c30170$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> I bought both the US and UK versions of OoP, and am about a third of the way through reading the UK version after having read the US version first. This is the first time that I've read a UK version, and found it interesting to note the differences in spelling. Of course I expected the basic color/colour and favorite/favourite type of thing. But I'd have never guessed that pajamas becomes pyjamas in the UK. Is it pronounced the same? Then there is defence/defense. It made me think I'd been spelling "defense" wrong until I checked the US version. And then there are the UK phrases (same in US version). What, pray tell, is a "load of waffle?" Is that like saying something is "full of baloney?" And is it just me, or is "mate" used a lot more in this book than in the other four? Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From timregan at microsoft.com Mon Jun 30 04:50:50 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 04:50:50 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, It's not all a bad thing though. I assiduously avoided the lists until I finished OoP, at about 3am Pacific time on Tuesday morning. Finishing such a long awaited book, and such an amazing read, always leaves me with an empty feeling, but the torrent of email on the main list has helped to keep the sense of being part of a great event alive in me. I also wouldn't worry too much about having to adapt reading and posting habits to the new environment. In a year's time, or two years, or three years, the cream of the theories will have risen to the top, the posting volume and quality should be back to normal, and book 6 won't be out. And my brilliant posts still won't spawn the broad and deep threads they should ;-) Cheers, Dumbledad PS If we are rousing the List Elves to slap wrists, there do seem to be too many one line posts on the HPFGU-Movie list these days. Not that I'm advocating that the posters adopt TBAY habits From lhuntley at fandm.edu Mon Jun 30 05:18:49 2003 From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:18:49 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] So, So Sorry Message-ID: I just sent a message that was supposed to go here to the main list. *hangs head in shame* I would post the apology there, but as I was just complaining about unnecessary posts on the main list, this seems a little out of order. *is slowing turning scarlet* It's this darn email server, I tell you! *points an accusatory finger* I can't send emails with it, so I have to go to the "post" sections of the list's page, and...and...well, I when to the wrong list's page. My humblest apologies, Laura (who feels like a complete idiot now.) From timregan at microsoft.com Mon Jun 30 05:44:30 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:44:30 -0000 Subject: Tinned question for Brits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU-OTChatter Christian Stub wrote: > they occasionally give me or the other > guide some money, saying "for the tin". > Am I correct in assuming this is not > meant as a tip to the guides, but as a > contribution to the museum I'm English, and it's not a term I know. But my assumption would be that they are refering to a tin with a slot in the top for money that people often use when collecting. So the money is meant for you :-) It's fairly common practise in England to tip guides at the end of a tour. Cheers, Dumbldad. From catlady at wicca.net Mon Jun 30 05:54:31 2003 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:54:31 -0000 Subject: So, So Sorry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Laura Ingalls Huntley" wrote: > I just sent a message that was supposed to go here to the main list. > *hangs head in shame* I would post the apology there, but as I was > just complaining about unnecessary posts on the main list, this > seems a little out of order. I just read it and was THRILLED. Maybe some of those newbies will read it and and learn to snip. From tongapeach at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 08:11:08 2003 From: tongapeach at yahoo.com (tongapeach) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:11:08 -0000 Subject: Completely OT Message-ID: Just to make this interesting, and to keep it somewhat HP related... ahg, forget it. I'm too fuzzy headed to attempt normal conversation right now and I'm rambling. My little brother is having surgery tomorrow and I can't sleep. This is worse than pre-OotP jitters. This is 'my *baby* brother goes under the knife tomorrow' sleep deprivation. Any tips from those of you still on at this late (at least here it is) hour? Going mad, Tonga From pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net Mon Jun 30 10:14:30 2003 From: pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net (Pinguthegreek) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:14:30 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Completely OT References: Message-ID: <005301c33ef0$681f49e0$395fc487@personal> ----- Original Message ----- From: tongapeach To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Completely OT Just to make this interesting, and to keep it somewhat HP related... ahg, forget it. I'm too fuzzy headed to attempt normal conversation right now and I'm rambling. My little brother is having surgery tomorrow and I can't sleep. This is worse than pre-OotP jitters. This is 'my *baby* brother goes under the knife tomorrow' sleep deprivation. Any tips from those of you still on at this late (at least here it is) hour? What's the surgery ? Michelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gandharvika at hotmail.com Mon Jun 30 10:55:41 2003 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Ann Bohacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:55:41 -0000 Subject: A TBAY question Re:SYCOPHANTS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gail B. (me) Asked: > >SYCOPHANTS, Society for Yes-men, Cowards, Ostriches, Passive- Aggressives, > >Hysterics, Abject Neurotics, and Toadying SYCOPHANTS (post #34911...read > >it, it's amazing) > > > >What's up with the "Ostriches" bit? Boggles Replied: > A person with their head in the sand. Think the cartoon depiction of > ostriches. To Which I Respond: Dig it. I guess I should rephrase the question. I know that an ostrich may refer to "one who tries to avoid disagreeable situations by refusing to face them" (definition from Dictionary.com). The thing is, I never associated that kind of behavior as being sycophantic. So then, was Fudge a sycophant for not believing that Lord-Thingy had returned? Just curious. -Gail B. From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 30 11:19:08 2003 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:19:08 -0000 Subject: British vs. US spelling/phrases In-Reply-To: <032001c33ec0$39c30170$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: Richelle wrote: > And then there are the UK phrases (same in US version). What, pray tell, is a "load of waffle?" Is that like saying something is "full of baloney?" And is it just me, or is "mate" used a lot more in this book than in the other four? > > A load of waffle isn't quite the same as 'full of baloney'. I *think* the baloney phrase means that the speech is complete nonsense. 'A load of waffle' means a lot of empty phrases, usually sounding good, but meaning nothing. You can also have the phrase 'hidden amongst the waffle...' which usually means some very dangerous point has been slipped in amongst the empty phrases. The speaker will be hoping that everyone has switched off in boredom and won't actually notice the really important bit they just slipped in. Mate *is* used a lot more - there was a bit of discussion of 'mate' on the main list, with people actually replying to each other's posts (what went wrong? [grin]). It's very common amongst adolescent boys/young men to call their friends 'mate' at the end of every sentence, it does spring up overnight, and even Brits find it *incredibly* annoying. ;-) Pip!Squeak From gandharvika at hotmail.com Mon Jun 30 12:19:52 2003 From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:19:52 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Apparation question Message-ID: Alora Wrote: >In the past books, >when Harry hears some one Apparate or Disapparate, it is sometimes >described as a "pop." Now, in OoP, Harry hears the "crack" sound, >as when Mundungus leaves Harry alone to go after the stolen >cauldrons. Before, I thought only Dobby went "crack" when he >disappeared. I'm going to go back and read the chapter in OoP where >the twins are apparating - I can't remember if the sound is >described or not. I was just wondering if the sound is connected to >the ability ie a "pop" if they have been apparating for a long time >and "crack" when someone is still new at it. Or as in Mundungus' >case, possibly drunk? I don't know! Does anyone else have any >thoughts on this? I made the same observation and brought the topic up on the Main List. The sound that the twins make when they are apparating is "crack". Somebody had made the same suggestion as you, that the sound changes over time as one becomes more accustomed to apparating. Another suggestion is that it may have something to do with the magical strength of the particular wizard/witch. I looked it up before I left for work but forgotten to jot down the page numbers, but in the chapter where Dumbledore and Voldemort are fighting, neither D'dore nor Voldy make any sound at all when they apparate on the scene. Interesting. Then again, they might have made a sound and Harry just didn't hear...Harry's scar was in a lot of pain when Voldy arrived and Harry was quite distracted as he was being attacked when D'dore apparated. Back to work! -Gail B. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 30 12:43:16 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (Kirstini) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:43:16 -0000 Subject: Tinned question for Brits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian wrote: When we get British cruiseship-passengers visiting, they occasionally give me or the other guide some money, saying "for the tin". Am I correct in assuming this is not meant as a tip to the guides, but as a contribution to the museum (there presumably being a tradition in British small museums for a tin inwhich visitors donate money to the museum)? *** It's for you, I would imagine. I used to waitress, and was told frequently when tipped, mostly by older customers, "take this for your kitty" - ie the staff kitty, which I assume is a Scottish version of the same thing. Although British museums are usually free, and you make a donation at the end... Oh dear. haven't helped at all, have I? Kirstini From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 14:05:31 2003 From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:05:31 -0000 Subject: Tinned question for Brits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kirstini" wrote: > Christian wrote: When we get British cruiseship-passengers visiting, > they occasionally give me or the other guide some money, saying "for > the tin". Am I correct in assuming this is not meant as a tip to > the guides, but as a contribution to the museum (there presumably > being a tradition in > British small museums for a tin inwhich visitors donate money to the > museum)? > > *** > > It's for you, I would imagine. I used to waitress, and was told > frequently when tipped, mostly by older customers, "take this for > your kitty" - ie the staff kitty, which I assume is a Scottish > version of the same thing. In Robert Crichton's novel "The Camerons," taking place in the Scotland of the late nineteenth/early twentieth century, the family keep their savings in a small metal casket called a "kist." "Kitty" is probably derived from this in Scots vernacular. "Kist" probably comes from "cistum," the Latin for "box," and it's not hard to see that "chest" is another word that comes from this. --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From cindysphynx at comcast.net Mon Jun 30 14:13:56 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:13:56 -0000 Subject: A TBAY question Re:SYCOPHANTS & Acronyms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gail: >The > thing is, I never associated that kind of behavior as being > sycophantic. So then, was Fudge a sycophant for not believing that > Lord-Thingy had returned? Just curious. I'm not sure. Elkins coined "SYCOPHANTS," so maybe she'll explain. My guess, though, is that acronyms are really, really hard to do. I wind up using pretty much any word that fits, even if it's not perfect. So maybe "Ostritch" is the only thing that worked? Here's a question for some of you folks (Darrin, Tabouli, Grey Wolf and a few others) who regularly come up with these great acronyms: How do you do it? Does it just pop into your head? Do you start with the goal (SYCOPHANTS), or do you start with the point you want to make? Please. I'm here to learn. :-D Cindy From timregan at microsoft.com Mon Jun 30 15:50:23 2003 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:50:23 -0000 Subject: OOP - It's Butterbeer time! Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPforGrownups digger wrote: > In medieval times BUTTERED ALE was a popular drink. > Ale (beer brewed without any hops) was heated > together with with butter, cinnamon, and sugar. I > think this is basically what Butterbeer is. Thanks Digger, that sounds really scrumptious, and a `must try' for Christmas or all winter! But is that the definition of ale? Most ales I've drunk had hops in. Here's the Oxford English Dictionary: ---------- 1. An intoxicating liquor made from an infusion of malt by fermentation. Various ingredients have at various times been added to impart flavour; at present hops or other bitters are in use. Ale and beer seem originally to have been synonymous. The Alvism?l says `?l heitir me m?nnum, en me ?sum bj?rr,' it is called `ale' among men, and among the gods `beer.' After the introduction into England of `the wicked weed called hops' (Retn. to Edw. VI's Parlt.) c 1524, `beer' was commonly hopped; at present `beer' is in the trade the generic name for all malt liquors, `ale' being specifically applied to the paler coloured kinds, the malt for which has not been roasted or burnt; but the popular application of the two words varies in different localities. c940 Sax. Leechd. II. 268 Do healfne bollan ealo to, and eh?te ?t ealu. c1000 Hept. Judg. xiii. 4 Ne he ealu ne drince nfre oe w?n. c1200 Trin. Coll. Hom. 13 e man e hit mee riht . e sune ale gestninge. 1205 LAYAM. 24440 Ne mai hit na mon suggen on his tale of an win and of an ale. a1300 Havelok 14 Fil me a cuppe of ful god ale. 1377 LANGL. P. Pl. B. v. 219, I boute hir barly malte ? she brewe it to selle, Peny ale and podyng ale. 1466 Paston's Funer. in Lett. 549 II. 268 For vii barels of bere, xviis. vid.For iiii barels of alle, xiiis. iiiid. 1485 MALORY Arthur (1816) II. 445 Wyn & aale. ?1531 Plumpton Corr. 230, I am faine to eate browne bread & drink small alle. 1535 STEWART Cron. Scotl. II. 660 Of wyne and aill takand thame sic ane fill. 1542 BOORDE Dietary x. 256 Ale is made of malte and water; and they the whiche do put any other thynge to ale than is rehersed, except yest, barme, or godes~good, doth sofysticat theyr ale. 1594 PLAT Jewel-ho. III. 16 It is the Hoppe onelie which maketh the essential difference betweene Beere and Ale. 1591 SHAKES. Two Gent. III. i. 304 Item, she brewes good Ale. 1613 Hen. VIII, V. iv. 11 Do you looke for Ale and Cakes heere, you rude raskalls? 1725 BRADLEY Fam. Dict. s.v. Malt Liquor, Ale is more diuretick than Beer; that is, unhopp'd Liquor more than that which has Hops in it. 1770 J. MASSIE Tax on Malt 8 A Pint of Ale or strong Beer, costs the Ale-seller, only Five Farthings. 1853 THACKERAY Eng. Hum. 240 Then they sallied forth for Rochester on foot, and drank by the way three pots of ale. [1864 TENNYSON North. Farmer, I've 'ed my point o' ya?le ivry noight sin' I be?n 'ere.] ---------- Wow ? the first written usage they quote is 940! Cheers, Dumbledad. From mb5244 at aol.com Mon Jun 30 17:10:25 2003 From: mb5244 at aol.com (marie) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:10:25 -0000 Subject: Book Price for used cars in UK? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, The book you need is called Parkers new and used car guide.Its available in all newsagents or check the net. Marie -- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Hi All, > > This is totally and completely off topic. > > Can anybody living in the UK let me know the name of the > magazine/book that is used to ascertain the `standard' price for > second hand cars? > > I use to know, but unfortunately that post-it in my brain has been > replaced with the American version, called the Blue Book. > > I could try to bring this post back on topic by some gratuitous > mention of the Flying Ford Anglia but I don't think I'll bother. > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad, > > Preparing to move back to UK! From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 18:54:52 2003 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:54:52 -0000 Subject: Off-Off Topic... my baby's growing up! Message-ID: Hey, all. No Hp-ness in this post. My baby is walking! How neat is that!? I can't believe she's technically a toddler already! Not only did she start walking on Friday night, but she said her first word last night (Sunday). It was "gee". Translation: "kitty". I couldn't believe I heard that come out of her mouth... she's been so ambivalent (sp?) about talking. Won't even say Mommy or Daddy yet. Gets close to "Ginger", but that's very unreliable. But last night, I was on the floor letting her crawl all over me, and she looked over my head at something I couldn't see, pointed, and said "GEE!". Sure enough, I turned my head and saw one of our cats headed right for us! And she'll be 1 year old in just 3 weeks! THREE WEEKS! I can't believe time flies so fast. -Jen Oh! Ps. If you can, send good thoughts in the general direction of my husband. He's applying for a Fulbright Teacher Exchange fellowship, and we're really hoping he's accepted, as we've never been out of the country. Ginger turned up before we thought we were settled enough to travel, so if it's left up to us, we're going to have to wait to travel until the girls are old enough to stay with their relatives for a couple of weeks. Cross your fingers for the UK!!! -me again From ression at hotmail.com Mon Jun 30 19:44:16 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:44:16 -0000 Subject: Tinned question for Brits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter Christian Stub wrote: > > they occasionally give me or the other > > guide some money, saying "for the tin". > > Am I correct in assuming this is not > > meant as a tip to the guides, but as a > > contribution to the museum > > I'm English, and it's not a term I know. But my assumption would be > that they are refering to a tin with a slot in the top for money > that people often use when collecting. So the money is meant for > you :-) > It's not a term I've ever heard either, but I note in passing that tin is slang for money in the UK. ER From ression at hotmail.com Mon Jun 30 21:33:01 2003 From: ression at hotmail.com (ER) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:33:01 -0000 Subject: Main List Survival Strategy (WAS: Retreating to the safety of OTChatter In-Reply-To: <01d501c33e8a$40187720$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > So, there's a survival strategy? I tried keeping up with the main list, really. > ... > It's just killing me not being able to get input from anyone, because my mind is whirling with all this new info The problem, I find, is that there is no middle way - either it's the forums where all the posts are one-liners with dozens of exclamation marks and HH4EVER, or it's HPFGU where the posts are way too learned for my HP-knowledge and there's a posting rate that makes reading a chore (just given up trying to make sense of the main list). I still can't decide if OOP is a brilliant book with lots of deep revelations that carries the action seamlessly forward, or whether JKR has, so to speak, lost the plot. If any kind soul could enlighten me I'd be most grateful! Offline would be fine if it's considered too off-topic to be on-topic on an off-topic forum :)) ER From greywolf1 at jazzfree.com Mon Jun 30 21:37:59 2003 From: greywolf1 at jazzfree.com (Grey Wolf) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:37:59 -0000 Subject: A TBAY question Re:SYCOPHANTS & Acronyms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cindy C. wrote: > Here's a question for some of you folks (Darrin, Tabouli, Grey Wolf > and a few others) who regularly come up with these great acronyms: > How do you do it? Does it just pop into your head? Do you start > with the goal (SYCOPHANTS), or do you start with the point you want > to make? > > Please. I'm here to learn. :-D > > Cindy I use the Tabouli (tm) method for acronym coining (I stole it - when she was trapped in her cabin, no less [ummm... that was a *long* time ago, now that I think about it]). I start with the codewords[1] I have to put in, and look at what words they suggest to me. Then fill in the gaps with verbs first and then, if there are still a few gaps left, I use adjectives. And presto! You've got an acronym. Of course, this method has a problem: the acronym you get at the end migh have nothing to do whatsoever with the theme. The other method, starting with a meaningful word (e.g. MAGIC DISHWASHER) I have used one or two times, but is much harder. I prefer the other method, and try and find suitabled words that match the codewords. hope that helps, Grey Wolf, who wonder if Tabouli remembers about the cabin incident and how it ended up creating TAG WATCH. [1]codewords: The main words describing the theory. For example, a theory about Hedwig being a DE would need H and maybe E for evil, VF for Voldemort Follower or even DE, of course From Malady579 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 30 21:50:20 2003 From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:50:20 -0000 Subject: Apparation question and Acronyms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Alora asked about apparating noise. Gail suggested: >I looked it up before I left for work but forgotten to jot down the >page numbers, but in the chapter where Dumbledore and Voldemort are >fighting, neither D'dore nor Voldy make any sound at all when they >apparate on the scene. Interesting. Then again, they might have >made a sound and Harry just didn't hear...Harry's scar was in a lot >of pain when Voldy arrived and Harry was quite distracted as he was >being attacked when D'dore apparated. Um...this may be too on topic but.... Remember in PS/SS when Dumbledore "appeared" on Privet Drive. Also McGonagall was staring straight at the spot down the street. If she knew that he would make a loud noise, she could have napped until he showed up. She was keenly aware that day, I think, because his apparating makes no noise. Neither did it when he left. And since we know him to be incredibly powerful and magnanimous and all that (I so wanted to use magnanimous in a sentence just once. ::big grin:: ), I say that the more powerful the wizard the less sound he makes when apparating. Cindy asked: >Here's a question for some of you folks (Darrin, Tabouli, Grey Wolf >and a few others) who regularly come up with these great acronyms: >How do you do it? Does it just pop into your head? Do you start >with the goal (SYCOPHANTS), or do you start with the point you want >to make? Can I second this request? I have always been terrible at acronyms. How do y'all pop them out of nowhere? I remember in second grade (around when I was seven for those not American) we had an art/poetry project to acronym "Valentines". Valentines!! That was a *long* word. I remember sitting there looking at the first letter 'v' and wondering if I could use "valentines" as one of the words. And there was not a 'h' in the word that I could use for "heart" or a 'p' for "pink". I mean at least we had a 'l' for "love" or "like". The boys used "like" to keep away from the sappy eyed girls of course... *And* if you were creative enough to think up a 'l' word that was not "love" or "like", well you got a gold star. Grrrr. Hmmm...I should not remember this stupid project *this* well. Oh the tragedies of elementary school. :P But I have never been good at acronyms, so I applaud those that can. For me I will always defer to them for something that someone else will not snicker at. :) Melody who thinks this fulfills her quota for pointless, wonder-why-she-posted-that posts of the month. Unfortunately, there is a new month tomorrow. Sigh. From emelinemoore at mianla.net Mon Jun 30 22:10:00 2003 From: emelinemoore at mianla.net (Emeline Moore) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:10:00 -0000 Subject: First American Edtion ??? Different covers/jackets ??? Message-ID: I posted a message earlier in the day then deleted it, researched my own questions a bit and now I'm back with questions. I picked up hard cover copies of SS, CS and POA today (at Wal*Mart) because they were different then my copies I bought back in Sept. 2002 (at Meijer and Sam's Club). I was actually in the isle to buy OOP cassette tapes. The number lines are as follows: Sorcerer's Stone 1 3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2 8 9/9 0/0 01 02 Chamber of Secrets 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 9/9 0/0 1 2 3 4 Prisoner of Azkaban 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 9/9 0/0 1 2 3 4 If I'm correct, SS and CS are first edtion but POA is third? The differences in the dust jackets are what first caught my eye. They didn't have the usual raised metallic lettering of my newer books. The color is muted and the Prisoner of Azkaban, has an altogether different type of paper - it's smooth, and thinner. And if I look on the back over the small bar code there are no numbers on any of the copies I picked up today. The actual covers of the books are different too they are smooth and black, instead of being cloth on the spine it's the same paperish covering. There are no diamond cuts either. SS has gold writting on the spine and states "J.K. Rowling" as the author. It also has no Year 1 marking, the dust jacket to this edition states "Rowling" and does have the Year 1 marking. CS book has silver writting and says "Rowling" and does not have Year 2 marking while jacket has Year 2 marking. POA book spine has gold writting and sports "Rowling" with a Year 3 marking matching the dust jacket. I was just wondering if I had some kind of odd ball books on my hands. Or if they're no different then anyone elses on the list. Emeline, who now has 3 copies of the first 3 books, and no longer has the money for OOP cassette tapes. From elrond at paradise.net.nz Mon Jun 30 22:28:54 2003 From: elrond at paradise.net.nz (Michael Chance) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:28:54 +1200 Subject: HP based music videos Message-ID: <001b01c33f57$030d1700$585f4fcb@locxvcym> A quick note to those I haven't been able to contact otherwise, the file names of some of the HP based music videos on my site at - http://chance.slashcity.net/ have just undergone their semi-regular name change :) Also some people will have individual videos bookmarked, and they'll suddenly stop working so unfortunately you'll have to update your bookmarks. Why the name change? Well, people have been directly linking to the videos themselves on their own web pages, without linking to my main page and without asking me first. Given how much of my bandwidth these sites are eating up, this is something of a expensive nuisance unfortunately, hence the regular name changes :) (People bookmarking for themselves, isn't a problem, as the amount of bandwidth they use up is very small compared to the amount used up by direct links on other people's pages). Michael From cindysphynx at comcast.net Mon Jun 30 22:19:41 2003 From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:19:41 -0000 Subject: The Acronym Challenge (WAS A TBAY question Re:SYCOPHANTS & Acronyms) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Grey Wolf revealed: >I start with the codewords[1] I have to put in, and look at what >words they suggest to me. Then fill in the gaps with verbs first and >then, if there are still a few gaps left, I use adjectives. And presto! You've got an acronym. Oh, man. I really wish I had known this a few months ago. See, I was writing this post about Operative!Arthur, and it absolutely *had* to have an acronym. I finally came up with: "I GOT YOUR PARALLELLISM RIGHT HERE, MISTER (Initially, G-men Opted to Tolerate Yeomen Overlords Until Rogues Purged Arthur's Relations. Afterwards, a Legendary Lust for Equanimity Leaves him Irresolute, Saddened and Miserable. Realizing Imperius Gives Hostile Transgressors a Handy Excuse, Revenge Energizes Many Instances of Stalwart Tenacity against the Evil Regime)." It took me *way* longer to come up with the acronym than to write the whole darn post that dealt with the theory. I was pulling my hair out! I would think I had it all worked out, and then I'd find a mistake. It's much harder than it looks So, uh, Wolf. What's your longest acronym? Do you guys want to engage in a little acronym challenge, hmmm? I wonder who can come up with the longest and best acronym concerning OoP? You know, to win the title of "Best Acronym Generator In The Free World." ;-) Hmmm. Any takers? Cindy -- who just might e-mail Tabouli and Darrin off-list so they don't miss out Of course, this > method has a problem: the acronym you get at the end migh have nothing > to do whatsoever with the theme. > > The other method, starting with a meaningful word (e.g. MAGIC > DISHWASHER) I have used one or two times, but is much harder. I prefer > the other method, and try and find suitabled words that match the > codewords. > > hope that helps, > > Grey Wolf, who wonder if Tabouli remembers about the cabin incident and > how it ended up creating TAG WATCH. > > [1]codewords: The main words describing the theory. For example, a > theory about Hedwig being a DE would need H and maybe E for evil, VF > for Voldemort Follower or even DE, of course From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Jun 30 22:40:56 2003 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:40:56 -0000 Subject: about Main List: Catlady's marathon, Discussion questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Catlady's plea: > > but I want to whine and bellyache: > > > > I'm not sure which is more irritating: the myriad posters asking > > questions that have already been answered a dozen times...**snip** > > > > Or the posters who have NO IDEA of snipping the posts to which > > they're replying....**snip** > > >Darling MEGs, can't you slap their little hands? Melody: > Can I second this plea? Is there a way we can "encourage" those > guilty to read the posts relevant to their query (they can just glace > at the titles) or at least browse the OoP FAQ. And the virtues of > clipping are what I love about this site. It makes us an adult site > and not a teenage site...well that and the lack of OMG posts. > > Is there are way to instill these virtues without scaring them away? I'll respond as a member of the admin team with my personal views on this. Well, all suggestions are welcome. It's a fine line to tread, and a difficult one. The main tool we have at the moment is moderated status for new members, and much that is dire never gets to see the light of day. However, it's part of the adult nature of the list that we prefer to trust other posters to take responsibility for their posts as soon as possible, so inevitably the learning process continues out in public view. Some wrist-slapping does go on behind the scenes, of course, but, as you can no doubt see, there is a continuing supply of newbies who take a little while to adapt to the peculiarities of the list, and to some extent it's a matter of patience. IMO, the best way for established list members to encourage good practice in others is to stick to it in their own posting. One of the hardest things to deal with on the list is the way that once some people post in a particular way, it is seen as acceptable by others, and starts to spread. Of course, if anyone feels that a particular individual is causing persistent annoyance by flouting the list conventions, feel free to write to the admins offlist at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Christian and Cindy C. wondered about doing weekly chapter summaries and questions for OOP. That seems like a splendid idea, so watch this space. David From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 23:29:13 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:29:13 -0000 Subject: Apparating In-Reply-To: <031401c33ebf$29441830$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > > Alora wrote: > > > I'm going to go back and read the chapter in OoP where > > the twins are apparating - I can't remember if the sound is > > described or not. I was just wondering if the sound is > > connected to the ability ie a "pop" if they have been > > apparating for a long time and "crack" when someone is still > new at it. > Or as in Mundungus' case, possibly drunk? I don't > know! Does anyone else > have any thoughts on this? > > I noticed this, and thought basically as you did. A "crack" must be someone > apparating who isn't as good at it, whereas a "pop" someone very experienced > and adept. The twins do "crack" when they apparate, by the way. > > Richelle Yes, Fred & George are much more crackers than poppers at this point. They are so proud of passing their Apparation test, aren't they?? Methinks they would apparate across the Gryffindor common room if they thought Hermione would let them get away with it (which she wouldn't). Anne U (who hasn't been able to dig far enough into HPfGU to discern what Steve bboy_mn and GulPlum thought about OotP, and would love to know) From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 23:33:36 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:33:36 -0000 Subject: British vs. US spelling/phrases (SPOILER) In-Reply-To: <032001c33ec0$39c30170$9fa1cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: S P O I L E R I'd love to know exactly what a TOERAG is. I noticed that Lily Evans didn't hesitate to use this (presumable) insult toward James Potter. Anne U (assumes it's an insult based on context) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > I bought both the US and UK versions of OoP, and am about a third of the way through reading the UK version after having read the US version first. This is the first time that I've read a UK version, and found it interesting to note the differences in spelling. Of course I expected the basic color/colour and favorite/favourite type of thing. But I'd have never guessed that pajamas becomes pyjamas in the UK. Is it pronounced the same? Then there is defence/defense. It made me think I'd been spelling "defense" wrong until I checked the US version. > From pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net Mon Jun 30 23:36:27 2003 From: pinguthegreek at pinguthegreek.net (Pinguthegreek) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:36:27 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British vs. US spelling/phrases (SPOILER) References: Message-ID: <016401c33f60$70ade240$395fc487@personal> ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British vs. US spelling/phrases (SPOILER) S P O I L E R I'd love to know exactly what a TOERAG is. I noticed that Lily Evans didn't hesitate to use this (presumable) insult toward James Potter. Toerag is only a mild insult. But at their age the only utterable one ! Michelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]