Muffins WAS Re: Pies, puddings, biscuits and tarts + rolls, buns, muffins, ...

[David]

From: joywitch_m_curmudgeon
> > 
> > > Just to confuse matters, we Americans also eat these things
> > > called "English Muffins" which are totally unlike the cupcake 
> looking
> > > things that are every other kind of muffin.  English muffins 
are
> > > round and flattish, not sweet, and when you slice them in half 
> > > they have a lot of holes and look (and taste) a little bit 
like 
> > > a crumpet(which we DON'T have here, but I had one once in some 
> > > Ye Olde English Pub type place.)  Toasted English muffins are 
> > > yummy with butter on them because you get pools of hot butter  
> > > in  the little holes.<Snip>
> 
> Morrigan:
> > As has been discussed before, English muffins do not exist in 
> > England.  Most likely they are bastardized crumpets, as there 
> > certainly are similarities, but crumpets are far superior to my 
> > tastebuds.  

Pip
> 
> Wrong, wrong, WRONG!
> 
> What you actually mean is that for a long time (English) muffins 
> were not available in British shops. Don't ask me why. You had to 
> bake them yourself - my grandmother used to bake muffins, and they 
> were pretty much as Joywitch describes.

That confused me until I read Pip's later post, but just to be 
sure...

Pip, are you saying that the product on sale in America as 'English 
Muffins' (and which sound very similar to crumpets) used not to be 
available in English shops, but now are.

Or are you saying that we used not to be able to buy muffins (which 
we can't assume bear a close relation to 'English Muffins') but had 
to bake them yourself?

I think you were saying the latter, in which case AFAIK Morrigan is 
correct, because (American) English muffins are not muffins.  But 
*we* used to get muffins from the shops when I was a child, and they 
sound like what you describe.

David, upholding the right of Americans to call something 'English 
Muffin' when it is neither English nor a muffin.