[HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New Question: Brit Royalty ...?

[Shaun Hately]

On 1 Nov 2003 at 2:15, pengolodh_sc wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Shaun Hately" wrote:
> > Actually it does - but only a very slight one and not one
> > anyone is likely to want to dredge up - Philip II of Spain,
> > was proclaimed King of England after his marriage to Mary [I].
> 
> Interesting - I had forgotten about that one.  Was Philip II then 
> Piliph I, King Regnant of England (and if he was, was Mary Tudor then 
> Queen Regnant or Queen Consort?), or was he Philip, King Consort of 
> Mary I Tudor?

King Regnant, but with a provision that (unlike William with regards to his Mary) 
he would not remain King after his wife's death.

He will be Philip I if there is ever a Philip II, but convention as it is currently, of 
course, states that if a monarch is the only one to have held the name, no 
postnominal number is used.

Parliament was summoned in the name of Philip and Mary during their brief joint-
reign.

Technically speaking, the assumption in British law until the time of Mary II, 
seems to be that a Queen Regnants husband would be King. (Jane's husband 
claimed to be King as well - but she was Queen for such a short period, I'm not 
sure anything can be based on that) though Mary II seems to have assumed it 
would, and this was part of the reason she wanted him made joint-Monarch. It's 
only with Anne, that a situation clearly develops that the Queen Regnant's 
husband is not King - it's possible that prior to that date, there was a position of 
King Consort analagous to Queen Consort, but in the case of Philip, the way 
Parliament was called indicates he had the full rights of a King Regnant, for as 
long as his wife was alive.

There is also an extant proclamation giving the regnal styles of Philip and Mary.

Philippus et Maria, Dei Gratia Rex et Regina Angliae, Franciae, Neapolis, 
Hiersualem, et Hiberniae; Fidei Defensores; Principes Hispaniae et Siciliae; 
Archiduces Austriae; Duces Mediolani, Burgundiae, et Brabantiae; Comites 
Hapsburgae, Flandriae, et Tirolis.

"Philip and Mary by the grace of God King and Queen of England, France, 
Naples, Jerusalem, and Ireland; Defenders of the  Faith; Princes of Spain and 
Sicily; Archdukes of Austria; Dukes of Milan, Burgundy, and Brabant; Counts of 
Habsburg, Flanders, and Tyrol."

Proclaimed at Westminster, 25th July 1554.


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