Slut!Seamus and other ships, and Seamus's religion <Long>
jeffl1965
jeffl1965 at sport.rr.com
Mon Sep 15 06:44:18 UTC 2003
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jeffl1965" <jeffl1965 at s...>
> wrote:
> >
>
> > So, I've seen that I'm not the only one curious about this, so I
> > wanted to ask if anybody wants to guess why Seamus is made a
slut,
> > regardless as to the nature of the story or his realtionship.
>
> I don't read enough fanfic to know what is common and what isn't,
> but my guess is that slut!Seamus appeared in some early fic and was
> copied by other fics until became embedded in writers' minds.
> Sometimes one can find something in canon that could explain why a
> particular fanon characterization became popular (e.g. gay!Justin
> from his admiration of Lockhart) but sometimes it's just random
> genetic drift.
> >
Jeff:
I really don't read all that much either, and there are way
too many sites with stories!! I just can't spend 24/7 on here reading
stories. :) But then again, I'm at least in front of the screen
reading posts anyway, so I guess I can make more time to read too. :)
I understand your point, and it makes sense. Gay!Justin I can
see, but I was just wondering what part of canon started some people
with the Slut!Seamus character. In reality, if he's that easily
excitable, I'd imagine him spending more time alone in the loo, or
with Dean. :)
> > Another thing, I'm curious as to why many seem to think that its
> > quite cool for Dean and Seamus to be together, yet not for Harry
> > and Ron? The same arguments I always hear can apply to them as
> > well. "They're best mates, and it would ruin things", "They're
> > obviously straight", hello? Sometimes things happen. There aren't
> > even obvious clues many times. So why is it really ok for D/S,
but
> > not H/R?
>
> People who get attached to a certain ship often dislike any other
> ship for the same people. So Harry/Hermione, Harry/Ginny, and
> Harry/Draco shippers all have that reason to object to Harry/Ron. I
> kind of like Harry/Ron, but to me, Ron has displayed the most
> heterosexuality of any kid of his year at Hogwarts, with his
> exagerated reactions to Fleur, and his attempts to look down Madam
> Rosmerta's neckline.
>
Yeah, that's true. I can't see some ships, but I just avoid'em
or do try to read any ficcies that sound intresting, so I'm not
*totally* closed-minded, just a bit. ;) I like Harry/Ron too,and
while I agree that Ron and his obsession with seeing Uranus leads me
to believe that he's quite straight. But I do like the idea that he
still experiments with Harry and maybe the others now and again. ;)
Hey, its easier in a room of 5 boys to find somebody to play with
than in a castle with all kinds of spells set up to keep the boys
away from the girls. :)
> For me, the ship that I REALLY believe in, that is just SO OBVIOUS
> from canon that I don't understand how anyone can doubt it, is
> McGonagall/Hooch, so *I* get tetchy when people start shipping
> Dumbledore/McGonagall or McGonagall/Sprout ...
>
Jeff:
LOL!! No comment. But I can see her with Hooch, I'll admit to
that. :)
> > I won't even touch the subject of *anybody* with Snape. :)
>
> A pity, as that's what I write.
>
Well, sorry!! No offense. I like Alan Rickman, but the idea of
Snape having a sex life is difficult to fathom. ;)
> > Now, is Seamus Catholic or Protestant? There's no mention. He
> > doesn't seem to have any prejudices about anybody prior to OOtP,
so
> > I'm guessing that even being half n half, he wasn't taught to
hate
> > based upon that, which is great. That could explain why he's so
> > close to Dean, since he's not really prejudiced against anybody
> > that we know of. Is his village rather isolated, and that's why
> > he's not been taught any of those views? I'd like to think so.
>
> It seems to me that all your questions come from the idea that
Seamus
> was brought up in the Muggle world. I think he was brought up more
in
> the wizarding world (remember, he had all those tales of flying a
> broomstick before he ever came to Hogwarts). Going to visit his
> paternal grandparents in the Muggle world could be like going to
> gvisit them in a foreign country. Nowdays I have co-workers who get
> all excited about taking their children to Taiwan or Pakistan to
> meet the grandparents, but back in my youth, my family lived in Los
> Angeles and they took me to New York City to meet my grandparents in
> 1968(? It was the NY World's Fair.)
>
Jeff:
That's true. It's just the idea that Seamus mentions that his
Dad didn't seem aware that she was a witch until sometime after their
marriage, ala Bewitched. I just had guessed that Seamus might leave
in a small area where he could fly his broom in relative safety, like
the Weasleys. Their farm is quite far from a town, and I have no idea
where their nearest neighbor is, even without the spell to hide them
from prying eyes. Also since Seamus is such a sports nut, I had
assumed ( my error), that he must've been exposed to the muggle world
more. If not, then at least his Dad takes the time to see that he
sees enough of the good parts of it so that he doesn't feel the way
that Draco does about them, and being a mudblood himself, I don't
think he'd have the fear/hatred of muggles that some wizards do.
> The isolation you mention is not a Muggle isolated village, but the
> entire wizarding world's isolation from Muggles.
>
> I think there is no need to assume that there is any conflict
between
> Catholics and Protestants, any concept of Stuarts or Orangemen, in
> the wizarding world. That is just Muggle politics, which Muggle king
> will rule the Muggle people of (Northern) Ireland. Even if his
Muggle
> grandparents were very into that conflict, his witch mother would
> have brought him up to think that that was just a stupid thing
> Muggles do, like playing football (soccer) instead of Quidditch. I
> suppose his mother has also taught him that being prejudiced based
on
> skin color (instead of on important things like purity of blood) is
> still another stupid thing Muggles do. However, in OoP she does seem
> like the type to be prejudiced against werewolves: did Seamus make
> any comment when it was revealed to the whole school that Lupin was
a
> werewolf?
>
Indeed. Again, I didn't mean to imply that Seamus is a country
bumpkin or anything, just that he might've been in some small village
that he could live with muggles, and still learn how to be a wizard
as well.
I agree and hope that his Mum *did* teach him not to be so
narrowminded as the muggles are. To be able to have a best friend
like Dean, regardless of his color or religion, is a good way to
live, and I can applaud JKR for going that route.
I don't recall what, if any, reaction Seamus had to Lupin. I'll
have to scan the book again and see what I can find. Seamus is so
briefly mentioned in the books, it'll be hard to find his name in
there.
> (Another thought I have is, that Seamus might live in England. His
> parents might have moved to England for career purposes, just as
some
> point, the Patil twins' ancestor moved from South Asia to Britain.
If
> Seamus lived in England, then Hogwarts might be the wizarding school
> for Britain and Ireland could have its own school.)
>
Jeff:
That makes sense. We don't really know what all they both do,
like is his Mum a stay at home type, or does she work in their town
in the WW or at a muggle job?
I had wondered about the possibility of their being schools in
each country. It does make sense, since Harry's year is so small. We
didn't see any other folk from other nations there, and other than
the Irish and Scots, no other kids from any former Commonwealth
Nations either.
> My theory on the religion of British and Irish wizarding folk is
> that, while Muggle-borns would have brought many Muggle religions in
> with them, the old pureblood families are very conservative and may
> well have retained their old pre-Christian religions. I wonder if
> their Druid religion and their Hellenistic Roman religion have
merged
> by now? So I imagine that British wizarding institutions have TWO
> Official religions, their old religion and their Anglican religion.
> Thus, it would be difficult for them to make being one particular
> religion a mark of a political position.
That makes sense. They do celebrate Halloween and Christmas, so
there is a muggle influence there. And since the school was rather
empty at Christmas, I'd say that most of the WW celebrates it
apparently.
We don't hear about their being church/mass on sundays, so I
wonder if they have chapel there? Is religion left to the student to
practice as they see fit? Too many questions left unanswered. ;)
Jeff
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