From mckosvc at bmts.com Thu Apr 1 02:23:03 2004 From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:23:03 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ' in return of mine privates, gratefulness." > Oh these are good! I'll have to try it out. I had something get lost in translation with my spell checker yesterday. I had bought a toy for my 5 year old son called "Vorgon Castle", and had emailed the friend who helped me find it. When I spell checked the email, "Vorgon" was obviously not in the dictionary, so I was given either "Gorgon" or "Virgin" as substitutes! MMcK From tim_regan82 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 1 17:17:14 2004 From: tim_regan82 at hotmail.com (Tim Regan) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:17:14 -0000 Subject: Conference with HP content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com tadi wrote: > http://www.secondspring.co.uk/fantasy/conference.htm > Those in the UK - would you have gone along if he had been? I'm hoping to go anyway (depending on when we have friends visiting from the USA). Did you see this one too ... http://cuip.net/pes/reasonsoftheheart.htm Cheers, Dumbledad. From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 18:14:00 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:14:00 -0000 Subject: Conference with HP content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Did you see this one too ... > > http://cuip.net/pes/reasonsoftheheart.htm > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad. Oh, man, does that look interesting! It looks as though other people besides JKR think we've had enough of those "gritty, realistic stories." Although there *is* plenty of modern fantasy to be had, the place of Myth in literature and culture has been neglected for at least forty years, at least in my experience. Wouldn't it be cool if JKR showed up? If anybody attends, *please* give us a summary, or a link to one! Annemehr who can't get to Edinburgh from Pennsylvania for the conference... From newbrube at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 14:11:12 2004 From: newbrube at yahoo.com (newbrube) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:11:12 -0000 Subject: Donald Trump running the Harry Potter movies? Message-ID: FictionAlley and HPANA.com are reporting that Donald Trump is taking over the next two Harry Potter movies for his TV show The Apprentice, but they're making it international by teaming up with The Office, from the BBC. Here's what they say: 16 candidates from all walks of life, including graduates of international universities and internationally famous movie stars whose roles in future Harry Potter films have been eliminated, will endure rigorous tasks each week while living together in a hip flat in London's Docklands; they will also commute together each day to Leavesden Studios, where they will be divided into teams each week; some of the teams will be involved in preproduction work on Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and some will work on the currently-in-production Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Each week, one team's fate will be decided by The Office's Ricky Geravis, and the other will be controlled by The Apprentice's Donald Trump. Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix, and Trump's apprentices will move from the streets of New York to Leavesden Studios outside London, where they will serve as the preproduction team for the film version of OotP. Also, the under-18s from the Potter cast will become "Junior Apprentices", and the series will show Dan Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, Emma Watson, Tom Felton, Bonnie Wright and the Phelps brothers, among others, enduring rigorous tasks to test their intelligence, their street-smarts and their ability to engage in sneaky pranks on holidays. While auditions are still going on for the "ordinary" Apprentices, Trump and Geravis have already chosen the movie star team: Christian Coulson, whose Tom Riddle will not be appearing in either film, Chris Rankin, whose Percy Weasley will appear in three scenes or less in both movies, Sean Biggerstaff, whose Oliver Wood has been shamefully neglected in movies three, four and five, and David Thewlis, whose Remus Lupin does not make an appearance in Goblet of Fire. I think you can read more at http://www.fictionalley.org/ by clicking on the link at the top of the left side. Rubydoob From joym999 at aol.com Thu Apr 1 20:24:17 2004 From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:24:17 -0000 Subject: Donald Trump running the Harry Potter movies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "newbrube" wrote: > FictionAlley and HPANA.com are reporting that Donald Trump is taking > over the next two Harry Potter movies for his TV show The > Apprentice Somebody PLEASE tell me this is an April Fools joke! Please? Joywitch, hoping to wake up from this nightmare From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 21:04:30 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:04:30 -0000 Subject: Donald Trump running the Harry Potter movies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "newbrube" > wrote: > > FictionAlley and HPANA.com are reporting that Donald Trump is > taking > > over the next two Harry Potter movies for his TV show The > > Apprentice > > Somebody PLEASE tell me this is an April Fools joke! Please? > > Joywitch, hoping to wake up from this nightmare It's an April Fool's joke. Annemehr From mphunt at sprintmail.com Thu Apr 1 22:28:46 2004 From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:28:46 -0000 Subject: Bella??? Message-ID: I'm sure this has been addressed many times on the main list...but my memory is horrible and the search function is even worse...so: Is there any agreement how to pronounce the name Bellatrix? Tcy From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Thu Apr 1 22:55:24 2004 From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:55:24 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bella??? Message-ID: <156.31932a85.2d9df7dc@aol.com> In a message dated 4/1/2004 2:49:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, mphunt at sprintmail.com writes: Is there any agreement how to pronounce the name Bellatrix? Tcy Well, in the American audio books it is pronounced bell-LAH-tricks. I've also heard the star Bellatrix is pronounced bell-LAY-tricks among my astronomy friends. ~Cassie~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Apr 1 22:56:09 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:56:09 -0000 Subject: A Series of Unfortunate ADMINs Message-ID: The April fool ADMIN (main list 94768) was fun, but I have a question. Who is the Snicket fan on the Admin team? David From kelleythompson at gbronline.com Thu Apr 1 23:20:59 2004 From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:20:59 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: New Posting Rules (brought over from main) / PumpkinPie Message-ID: Kneasy wrote: > /Tell/ you what, this /admin/ team is going /to/ end up with some great/stuff/ on the message boards! Did they think of this wonderful scheme all by /themselves/? > ROFL! Oh, thank you, Kneasy. This was the best laugh I've had yet; I think I pulled something... ;-) Btw, did anyone get screen grabs from John's April '02 stunt? I'd love to stick them in the files. Let me know! Rincewind wrote: > Has anybody any idea what has happened to pumpkinpie.org it seems > to have disappeared somewhere? Ha, wow. No, no idea. Perhaps there's a PumpkinPie LJ? (Which might have some info, I mean.) Hm. If I hear anything, I'll let you know... --Kelley From mphunt at sprintmail.com Fri Apr 2 00:01:46 2004 From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:01:46 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: <156.31932a85.2d9df7dc@aol.com> Message-ID: Tcy asks: > Is there any agreement how to pronounce the name Bellatrix? > Cassie answers: > Well, in the American audio books it is pronounced bell-LAH- tricks. I've > also heard the star Bellatrix is pronounced bell-LAY-tricks among my astronomy > friends. Tcy again: Thanks, Cassie. I wasn't nearly as far off as I thought. I was saying BELL-a-tricks. The funny thing is that I assumed (yeah, I know about that word) that it was the last syllable I was messing up. I was sure there was something I was missing in the way to pronounce the 'trix' ending. Tcy (who still waffles back and forth about a voiced or silent T at the end of Voldemort) From grannybat at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 00:02:00 2004 From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:02:00 -0000 Subject: A Series of Unfortunate ADMINs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The April fool ADMIN (main list 94768) was fun, but I have a > question. > > Who is the Snicket fan on the Admin team? > > David I know, I know! But I'm not telling...yet. Let the bribing commence! (exit snicketing) Grannybat From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 2 07:34:56 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:34:56 -0000 Subject: A Series of Unfortunate ADMINs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I asked > > Who is the Snicket fan on the Admin team? Grannybat replied > I know, I know! > > But I'm not telling...yet. > Let the bribing commence! *Looks in the direction of Salt Lake City* Bribery? I'm shocked! David From eloiseherisson at aol.com Fri Apr 2 07:36:47 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:36:47 -0000 Subject: A Series of Unfortunate ADMINs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David\; > The April fool ADMIN (main list 94768) was fun, but I have a > question. > > Who is the Snicket fan on the Admin team? > That is for us to know and you to find out! Happy hunting! ~Eloise From eloiseherisson at aol.com Fri Apr 2 18:16:29 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:16:29 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: <156.31932a85.2d9df7dc@aol.com> Message-ID: Tcy: > Is there any agreement how to pronounce the name Bellatrix? > ~Cassie~: > Well, in the American audio books it is pronounced bell-LAH- tricks. I've > also heard the star Bellatrix is pronounced bell-LAY-tricks among my astronomy > friends. Whereas I, being English (we routinely stress different syllables from US English speakers) and harking back to schoolgirl Latin, would almost unquestionably evenly stress the three syllables, or put a very slight emphasis on the first. Just like the name Bella, only with a trix on the end (although of course the derivation is different, Bella being the Latin for beautiful and Bellatrix, from bellum, war, meaning female warrior). Putting a 'lay' sound in the middle and even more, emphasising it, sounds *very* American . I don't recall offhand how Stephen Fry pronounces it, but I think I would have noticed if he pronounced it much differently. So no, there isn't agreement. ;-) What a boring idea! ~Eloise wondering if we might find a Black family member named after Betelgeuse, also in the constellation Orion, and which is frequently pronounced 'Beetle Juice'. From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com Fri Apr 2 21:06:26 2004 From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:06:26 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bella??? Message-ID: <97.4618e9e8.2d9f2fd2@aol.com> ~Cassie~: > Well, in the American audio books it is pronounced bell-LAH- tricks. I've > also heard the star Bellatrix is pronounced bell-LAY-tricks among my astronomy > friends. Eloise writes: Whereas I, being English (we routinely stress different syllables from US English speakers) and harking back to schoolgirl Latin, would almost unquestionably evenly stress the three syllables, or put a very slight emphasis on the first. Just like the name Bella, only with a trix on the end (although of course the derivation is different, Bella being the Latin for beautiful and Bellatrix, from bellum, war, meaning female warrior). Putting a 'lay' sound in the middle and even more, emphasising it, sounds *very* American . I don't recall offhand how Stephen Fry pronounces it, but I think I would have noticed if he pronounced it much differently. So no, there isn't agreement. ;-) What a boring idea! ~Eloise Cassie again: And in the movie 'planet of the apes' it is pronounced Bella-Tricks, no real stress. Dang...that's a one liner. Wait-how it's not ^^ hehehe. Before I figured out it was a star and before I got the audio books I was born between Bella-Tricks and Bella-Triss (like the pronunciation for Beatrix (Bee-ah-triss, of course). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Fri Apr 2 21:19:42 2004 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:19:42 -0000 Subject: Shirt, anyone? Message-ID: Seems Sirius is giving people fashion-ideas. The guy in the image could be a good model of school-age Sirius Black. http://tinyurl.com/3357f Best regards Christian Stub? From averyhaze at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 23:21:43 2004 From: averyhaze at hotmail.com (onnanokata) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:21:43 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tcy: Is there any agreement how to pronounce the name Bellatrix? ~Cassie~: Well, in the American audio books it is pronounced bell-LAH- tricks. I've also heard the star Bellatrix is pronounced bell-LAY- tricks among my astronomy friends. ~Eloise wrote: Whereas I, being English (we routinely stress different syllables from US English speakers) and harking back to schoolgirl Latin, would almost unquestionably evenly stress the three syllables, or put a very slight emphasis on the first. Just like the name Bella, only with a trix on the end (although of course the derivation is different, Bella being the Latin for beautiful and Bellatrix, from bellum, war, meaning female warrior). Putting a 'lay' sound in the middle and even more, emphasising it, sounds *very* American . I don't recall offhand how Stephen Fry pronounces it, but I think I would have noticed if he pronounced it much differently. So no, there isn't agreement. ;-) What a boring idea! Dharma replies: Has anyone else heard the pronunciation [bel-LAY-triks] in a context other than Astronomy. That particular vowel choice is not really typical of most North American English phonological dialect patterns that come to mind, US or Canadian. [bel-LAH-triks] is more consistent with our liberal use of Latinate phoneme choices. Even [bel-lah- triks] and [BEL-lah-triks] match a bit more to how we speak. [bel- LAY-triks] sounds more like something a young person would try the first time he/she encounters the word in Spelling/Reading class. I've never heard this pronunciation, even from a very young person in conversation. I've not heard the US version of the books on tape either. Can anyone offer some insight on this one? I find it very interesting. From jfaulkne at sas.upenn.edu Sat Apr 3 00:44:25 2004 From: jfaulkne at sas.upenn.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:44:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bella??? In-Reply-To: <97.4618e9e8.2d9f2fd2@aol.com> References: <97.4618e9e8.2d9f2fd2@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 IAmLordCassandra at aol.com wrote: > Eloise writes: > > Whereas I, being English (we routinely stress different syllables > from US English speakers) and harking back to schoolgirl Latin, would > almost unquestionably evenly stress the three syllables, or put a > very slight emphasis on the first. Just like the name Bella, only > with a trix on the end (although of course the derivation is > different, Bella being the Latin for beautiful and Bellatrix, from > bellum, war, meaning female warrior). Putting a 'lay' sound in the > middle and even more, emphasising it, sounds *very* American . English school Latin is, of course, different from American school Latin (in either the Classical or ecclesiastical pronunciation systems), but I'm very surprised to read that you would stress the first syllable, Eloise. Do you all use different rules of stress than we do? The rules we have are quite simple: 1. In a two syllable word, stress the penult. 2. In a three (or more) syllable word, stress the antepenultimate, unless the penult is long, in which case you stress that. The penult is long if it contains a long vowel or a short vowel followed by two or more consonants. By these rules, it is indeed bel.LA.trix. [1] I ask because I have long been curious about English school pronunciation of Latin, since I do think it's different from the accepted American Classical method? It's that whole "may-ter" thing of British period films, you see. *g* (It's "mah-ter" using accepted American pronunciation.) Was that an affectation, or were/are those mythical sixth-form boys taught to pronounce mater with a long eh in the first syllable? What are you all taught? Is it different once/when you're at university or become a Latinist? --Jen, the curious Classicist :) [1] I know there's a muta cum liquida there, and I do think the syllabification would not put the t with the penult, but it doesn't affect the stress. * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jfaulkne/fan/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From dicentra at xmission.com Sat Apr 3 01:46:56 2004 From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:46:56 -0000 Subject: Shirt, anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pengolodh_sc" wrote: > Seems Sirius is giving people fashion-ideas. The guy in the image > could be a good model of school-age Sirius Black. > > http://tinyurl.com/3357f I've already purchased one o' them shirts, and I love it. People ask me where I got it and I tell them that Sirius gave it to me after he broke out of prison. :D --Dicentra, who knows that they all believe her From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 3 20:31:15 2004 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:31:15 -0000 Subject: Fabula Rasa Fanfics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alshainofthenorth" is, I re-read Repechage, Misericorde and Rat's Alley and try to get > my own Severus/Sirius plotline to get in shape before JKR goes and > polishes off Severus as well. > > So, Entropy, can I ask about your favourite Fabula Rasa fic? > > Alshain Oooo, I love her stories too and I also will be delighted to find out if she wrote something new recently. Unfortunately, Dolo Delecatere seems to be the last one. Alla From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Sun Apr 4 04:19:13 2004 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 04:19:13 -0000 Subject: penult & antepenult; WAS:Re: Bella??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Jen Faulkner wrote: > Eloise. Do you all use different rules of stress than we do? The rules > we have are quite simple: > > 1. In a two syllable word, stress the penult. > > 2. In a three (or more) syllable word, stress the antepenultimate, > unless the penult is long, in which case you stress that. The penult > is long if it contains a long vowel or a short vowel followed by two > or more consonants. > > By these rules, it is indeed bel.LA.trix. [1] > I beg to differ. The penult is the second syllable from the end, and the antepenult is the third syllable. Your rules are correct, and the word should be pronounced BELL-a-trix. Haggridd From jfaulkne at sas.upenn.edu Sun Apr 4 05:24:39 2004 From: jfaulkne at sas.upenn.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:24:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] penult & antepenult; WAS:Re: Bella??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Haggridd wrote: > I beg to differ. The penult is the second syllable from the end, > and the antepenult is the third syllable. Your rules are correct, > and the word should be pronounced BELL-a-trix. I fail to follow your reasoning here. Is your quarrel with the definitions of penult and antepenult, or something else? Because by the ordinary rules of Latin stress, the word is clearly stressed bel.LA.trix; the penultimate -- that is, the next-to-last, or last-but-one -- syllable contains a long vowel, the a, and thus is a long (=heavy) syllable and bears stress. Am I missing something? --Jen * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jfaulkne/fan/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sun Apr 4 10:50:26 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 10:50:26 -0000 Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen wrote: > English school Latin is, of course, different from American school Latin > (in either the Classical or ecclesiastical pronunciation systems), but > I'm very surprised to read that you would stress the first syllable, > Eloise. Do you all use different rules of stress than we do? The rules > we have are quite simple: > > 1. In a two syllable word, stress the penult. > > 2. In a three (or more) syllable word, stress the antepenultimate, > unless the penult is long, in which case you stress that. The penult > is long if it contains a long vowel or a short vowel followed by two > or more consonants. > > By these rules, it is indeed bel.LA.trix. [1] > > I ask because I have long been curious about English school > pronunciation of Latin, since I do think it's different from the > accepted American Classical method? It's that whole "may-ter" thing of > British period films, you see. *g* (It's "mah-ter" using accepted > American pronunciation.) Was that an affectation, or were/are those > mythical sixth-form boys taught to pronounce mater with a long eh in the > first syllable? What are you all taught? Is it different once/when > you're at university or become a Latinist? I studied Latin for four years at school in England in the seventies, and have an 'O' Level in the subject. My understanding is that at some point there was a change in the Latin pronunciation that was taught, probably not that long before I started the subject. I was taught "mah-ter", for example, though I can't remember now if the first syllable was long or short. We were not introduced to any rules of stress of the kind you describe, and our textbooks indicated by means of a bar over the vowel if it was long. In consequence we probably followed either our British rules or imitated the teacher's pronunciation: in any case I assumed Bellatrix is stressed in the first syllable. The pronunciation scheme involving "May-ter" I associate with British public schools of the pre-war era and earlier. The Nigel Molesworth books (written in the fifties, I think) refer to it, for example the nonsense sentence "Caesar adsum jam forte" (Caesar had some jam for tea) is mentioned, as is "hujus, hujus, hujus", both illustrating how "j" sometimes replaced "i" and was then pronounced as such. IIRC what we were taught was: short a as in mat long a as in ah short e as in met long e as in eh short i as in bit long i as in feet short o as in hot long o as in moan short u as in uh long u as in moot And if it was between two vowels, or before a vowel at the beginning of a word, u was written v and pronounced w. It looks like there is quite a lot of inconsistency there. I don't know anything about the relationship between either scheme and ecclesiastical Latin. David From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 4 15:02:40 2004 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 4 Apr 2004 15:02:40 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1081090960.22.74064.m11@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, April 4, 2004 Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer Time. Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 Hope to see you there! From mrsbrooksathome at yahoo.com Sun Apr 4 21:53:08 2004 From: mrsbrooksathome at yahoo.com (mrsbrooksathome) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:53:08 -0000 Subject: Hello all, prodigal child returns Message-ID: Hello everybody! Sinister Steph here. I was on the list a while back, but alas had to leave due to some uncontrolable circumstances. Anyway, I am back, and just thought I'd reintro myself. Ummmm... So yeah, I am 20 years old, 21 in 3 months, married for nearly a year, and owned by, at the moment, 5 cats. We live in northwestern Georgia. Have read all 5 HP books, of course. Also a big fan of the Outlander series, by Dian Gabaldon, if any of you here are into that, then feel free to chat with me about all of that. Speaking of chatting, I am mrsbrooksathome on both AIM and yahoo messenger. Feel free to pop in any time. I love making new fiends. Cheezumz, Sinister Steph From punkieshazam at yahoo.com Mon Apr 5 06:26:18 2004 From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 06:26:18 -0000 Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" wrote: >Considerable snippage< > IIRC what we were taught was: > > short a as in mat > long a as in ah > short e as in met > long e as in eh > short i as in bit > long i as in feet > short o as in hot > long o as in moan > short u as in uh > long u as in moot > And if it was between two vowels, or before a vowel at the beginning > of a word, u was written v and pronounced w. > > It looks like there is quite a lot of inconsistency there. > > I don't know anything about the relationship between either scheme > and ecclesiastical Latin. > > David Punkie: I had two years of Latin in high school in the '50's in the US. The above was the way we were taught pronounciation. Our teacher told us that the hardest thing for most students to get used to was accepting the ah sound for a long a. It drives me nuts to hear that the *proper* pronounciation of Draco's name is Drayco. It should be Drahco. God! I'm getting to be a picky old lady. Punkie From dicentra at xmission.com Mon Apr 5 07:17:18 2004 From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 07:17:18 -0000 Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "punkieshazam" wrote: > It drives me nuts to hear that the > *proper* pronounciation of Draco's name is Drayco. It should be > Drahco. Here's a related pronunciation query: A genus of houseplants is called "dracaena". I hear people pronounce it druh-SEE-nuh, and the dictionary supports this. (I realize that the dictionary records usage rather than dictates it.) If I'm not mistaken, the Latin "C" is always hard, and if you put the "ae" dipthong after it, that would counteract the later rule that converts "C" to "S" ahead of "e" and "i" in the Romance language evolutions. Further, the etymology is the Greek "drakaina", which is obviously "K". So would purists say druh-KEE-nuh? What about druh-KAY-nuh? --Dicentra, who had two semesters of romance philology From eloiseherisson at aol.com Mon Apr 5 08:07:58 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 04:07:58 EDT Subject: Bella??? Message-ID: <144.25f7eede.2da26dde@aol.com> N.B. I started this and then couldn't finish it. In the meantime, David has said some of what I was saying and some more which I would have. Please forgive repetition, which simply indicates that David and I (who, IIRC, were in the same school year, or at least sat public examinations in the same years) had a fairly consistent experience of school Latin. Jen: > English school Latin is, of course, different from American school Latin > (in either the Classical or ecclesiastical pronunciation systems), but > I'm very surprised to read that you would stress the first syllable, > Eloise. Do you all use different rules of stress than we do? Now you're asking! What I really meant was that we tend to place stresses on different syllables in some English words. As a name, Bellatrix, can be treated as an English word, or classical origin. I don't think that at the level to which I studied, *stress* in Larin pronunciation was much emphasised, but there were certainly no long 'eh' (ay) sounds. > I ask because I have long been curious about English school > pronunciation of Latin, since I do think it's different from the > accepted American Classical method? It's that whole "may-ter" thing of > British period films, you see. *g* (It's "mah-ter" using accepted > American pronunciation.) Was that an affectation, or were/are those > mythical sixth-form boys taught to pronounce mater with a long eh in the > first syllable? What are you all taught? Is it different once/when > you're at university or become a Latinist? Yes, I think pronunciation *has* changed. I'm not sure what the state of play is now, for instance whether it's v's or w's that are in vogue (I should ask my daughter who's recently started). As David said, the 'may-ter', 'pay-ter' school of pronunciation is very old-fashioned. I've never been really sure if people *were* taught to pronounce like that, or not. There is also the complication that once a Latin or other foreign word or phrase gets taken into English usage, it can acquire another, legitimate pronunciation as a loan word. Thus mater and pater got taken into English usage amongst certain classes, with the 'ay' sound. As for the slight stress I said I might put on the first syllable of Bellatrix.... Well, I spent a long time thinking about how I pronounced it. At first I thought that I wasn't stressing it at all and then I realised that there was the tiniest nuance of a stress on the first syllable, which I am sure comes from my instinctive association of the name with the name Bella and the fact that I am treating it as an *English* name, albeit of Latin origin. I don't know. It's just one of those three syllable names that *sounds* like the stress should be at the beginning, like my daughters' names (Eleanor, Imogen - now stops to wonder why other three syllable names like Amanda or Diana are stressed differently). Bottom line. *To me* the way I pronounce it sounds like the way the name would be pronounced if taken into (British) English *as a name*. ~Eloise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From elfundeb at comcast.net Mon Apr 5 10:55:45 2004 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:55:45 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm coming very late to the Google party, but it occurred to me that this was our golden opportunity to decipher the Prophecy once and for all. Here's the result, English - Spanish - English: "The one that it is with the energy to overcome the dark gentleman approaches. . . taken to that they have three times challenge of him, taken as the seventh month dies. . . and the dark gentleman will mark it like his equal one, but he will have energy that the dark gentleman knows no. . . and anyone must die in the hand of the other for neither nor others can live whereas the other survives. . . the one that it is with the energy to overcome the dark gentleman will be taken like the seventh approaches of the month" Perfect clarity! Debbie From eloiseherisson at aol.com Mon Apr 5 12:45:03 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:45:03 EDT Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) Message-ID: <144.25fe4bb4.2da2aecf@aol.com> Apologies for not combining. punkieshazam wrote: > > > It drives me nuts to hear that the > > *proper* pronounciation of Draco's name is Drayco. It should be > > Drahco. Hee hee! Quite! As I said in my last message it's an example of Latin being taken into English and acquiring a legitimate English pronunciation. I'd call the constellation Drahco and the person Drayco. And in fact it used to drive me mad that at a yard where I used to keep a horse, they had two horses referred to as Drahco and Haygrid. > > Here's a related pronunciation query: > > A genus of houseplants is called "dracaena". I hear people pronounce > it druh-SEE-nuh, and the dictionary supports this. (I realize that > the dictionary records usage rather than dictates it.) > > If I'm not mistaken, the Latin "C" is always hard, and if you put the > "ae" dipthong after it, that would counteract the later rule that > converts "C" to "S" ahead of "e" and "i" in the Romance language > evolutions. Further, the etymology is the Greek "drakaina", which is > obviously "K". > > So would purists say druh-KEE-nuh? What about druh-KAY-nuh? Well, I would think that Latin dracaena and Greek drakaina were pronounced approximately the same, the latin 'ae' being pronounced as long 'i'. However as a houseplant, I'd pronounce it just as you do. Just as I wouldn't pronounce *you* as Dikentra. > > --Dicentra, who had two semesters of romance philology That sounds interesting, not to say intriguing! I know this is an old HPfGU chestnut, but along similar lines, we have spell pronunciation to deal with. I was recently talking with several HPfGUers when the subject of the upcoming UK conference was raised. Now just how do you pronounce that? As ever, I work on the premise that these words have been anglicised in pronunciation and so pronounce it 'Ack-sio' on the principal that in English, that is the usual (though far from invariable) pronunciation of double 'c' preceding 'e' or 'i'. However at least one other person there pronounced it 'Ack-shio'. And in Latin, it would be 'Ack-io' ('i's in all cases pronounced 'e'). I can't remember how Stephen Fry pronounces it. Any more variations? ~Eloise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Apr 5 20:58:41 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:58:41 -0000 Subject: Bella In-Reply-To: <144.25f7eede.2da26dde@aol.com> Message-ID: Eloise wrote: > David and I (who, IIRC, were in the > same school year, or at least sat public examinations in the same years) had > a fairly consistent experience of school Latin. Ah, how it all comes back to me. Amo, amas, amat... do you remember how upset that silly boy Severus got when I used to call you Florence? ;-) David From mphunt at sprintmail.com Mon Apr 5 19:27:19 2004 From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:27:19 -0000 Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) In-Reply-To: <144.25fe4bb4.2da2aecf@aol.com> Message-ID: Eloise: > I was recently talking with several HPfGUers when the subject of the > upcoming UK conference was raised. Now just how do you pronounce that? > As ever, I work on the premise that these words have been anglicised in > pronunciation and so pronounce it 'Ack-sio' on the principal that in English, > that is the usual (though far from invariable) pronunciation of double 'c' > preceding 'e' or 'i'. However at least one other person there pronounced it > 'Ack-shio'. And in Latin, it would be 'Ack-io' ('i's in all cases pronounced 'e'). > I can't remember how Stephen Fry pronounces it. > Any more variations? > ~Eloise > Tcy: With *no* training in Latin (formal or otherwise), I pronounce that particular spell AH-see-o. I'm probably the only one who does so - but I sometimes think I have an entire language all my own inside my head. Tcy, with my 1.5 knuts worth From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net Mon Apr 5 21:06:53 2004 From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:06:53 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: School Latin (was Bella???) References: Message-ID: <000701c41b51$ec5c7640$05030f04@dslverizon.net> Tcy: With *no* training in Latin (formal or otherwise), I pronounce that particular spell AH-see-o. I'm probably the only one who does so - but I sometimes think I have an entire language all my own inside my head. {Silverthorne} Don't feel bad Tracy--my room mate and I go one worse--"A-Kay-Shi-O" Too much Anime, I guess....^^; Or maybe it's the Texas accent we've both tried to avoid like the plague to get that has found a way to gain revenge...lol ************************************* Anne/Silverthorne Silverthorne.Dragon at verizon.net (Nights and Weekends) Anne-TMC-RCVG.Campbell at tenetheath.com (6am-3pm American Central, Mon-Fri.) "It is better to die than to loose your wrench"--Paraphrased from a former Navy Mechanic. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon Apr 5 22:44:25 2004 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:44:25 -0000 Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" wrote: > Eloise: > > As ever, I work on the premise that these words have been > anglicised in > > pronunciation and so pronounce it 'Ack-sio' on the principal that > in English, > > that is the usual (though far from invariable) pronunciation of > double 'c' > > preceding 'e' or 'i'. However at least one other person there > pronounced it > > 'Ack-shio'. And in Latin, it would be 'Ack-io' ('i's in all cases > pronounced 'e'). > > I can't remember how Stephen Fry pronounces it. > > Any more variations? Tcy: > With *no* training in Latin (formal or otherwise), I pronounce that > particular spell AH-see-o. I'm probably the only one who does so - > but I sometimes think I have an entire language all my own inside my > head. Jen: Well, and here's another variation--I've always said "auk-e-o". Once I hear the correct pronunciation of certain words, either in the movies or JKR interview or whatever, I can usually change my pronunciation. Like Hagrid used to be Hey-grid in my head when first reading the books and now that sounds so strange! I still forget how to pronounce Slytherin. Does the first part rhyme with sly or slither? From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon Apr 5 22:54:57 2004 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:54:57 -0000 Subject: Bella In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" wrote: > > Ah, how it all comes back to me. Amo, amas, amat... do you > remember how upset that silly boy Severus got when I used to call > you Florence? ;-) I still remember the first Latin sentences I learned: "Britania est insula. Britania est *parva* insula." (Can't tell you if it's spelled right!) Jen, remembering a semester devoted entirely to translating the Aeneid. Why? From mphunt at sprintmail.com Mon Apr 5 19:21:27 2004 From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:21:27 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debbie (helping us understand the prophecy): > > "The one that it is with the energy to overcome the dark gentleman > approaches. . . taken to that they have three times challenge of > him, taken as the seventh month dies. . . and the dark gentleman > will mark it like his equal one, but he will have energy that the > dark gentleman knows no. . . and anyone must die in the hand of > the other for neither nor others can live whereas the other > survives. . . the one that it is with the energy to overcome the > dark gentleman will be taken like the seventh approaches of the month" > > Perfect clarity! > > Debbie Tcy (tongue firmly in cheek): Debbie! You are amazing! Thank you soooooooo much! Now I understand it *perfectly*! So *that's* what it was saying! Why didn't I see it the first 200 times I read it? It's so plain to me now! Tcy (forever in Debbie's debt for making it so clear - and for the good laugh) From sweetpie_1900 at yahoo.co.in Mon Apr 5 13:18:31 2004 From: sweetpie_1900 at yahoo.co.in (sweetpie_1900) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:18:31 -0000 Subject: hiiiii Message-ID: hey i am new to this site whats new with harry From mckosvc at bmts.com Tue Apr 6 01:38:59 2004 From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:38:59 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elfundeb2" wrote: > I'm coming very late to the Google party, but it occurred to me that > this was our golden opportunity to decipher the Prophecy once and for > all. Here's the result, English - Spanish - English: > > "The one that it is with the energy to overcome the dark gentleman > approaches. . . taken to that they have three times challenge of > him, taken as the seventh month dies. . . and the dark gentleman > will mark it like his equal one, but he will have energy that the > dark gentleman knows no. . . and anyone must die in the hand of > the other for neither nor others can live whereas the other > survives. . . the one that it is with the energy to overcome the > dark gentleman will be taken like the seventh approaches of the month" > > Perfect clarity! > > Debbie Now at least I feel much better about the English version! MMcK. From eloiseherisson at aol.com Tue Apr 6 07:48:14 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 07:48:14 -0000 Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Jen: > Well, and here's another variation--I've always said "auk-e-o". > Once I hear the correct pronunciation of certain words, either in > the movies or JKR interview or whatever, I can usually change my > pronunciation. Like Hagrid used to be Hey-grid in my head when first > reading the books and now that sounds so strange! I still forget how > to pronounce Slytherin. Does the first part rhyme with sly or > slither? Slither. Like a snake. That *is* the Fry pronunciation, but that's a good point about the sly bit which I'm sure is a visual pun to add to the auditory one. > I still remember the first Latin sentences I learned: "Britania est > insula. Britania est *parva* insula." (Can't tell you if it's > spelled right!) Britannia. Was this from the Roman viewpoint of the US one, I wonder? > Jen, remembering a semester devoted entirely to translating the > Aeneid. Why? I think that because apart from being great literature, it's an important work in terms of Roman history and identity, only this is a point that doesn't tend (or wasn't in my case) to be made at school level. I'm by no means an expert on classical literature, but I am studying art of the Augustan period at the moment. The Romans were very conscious of the images they wanted to project, certainly at this stage, and they used mythology to explain both who they were and their values. >From what I understand, the Aeneid was commissioned by Augustus himself and was (simply put) a piece of highly artistic propaganda. There are parallels in it with more recent(in Augustan terms) Roman history. It can be read to glorify and legitimise Augustus' rule as emperor as well as some of his achievements, thus being a cultural prop for the very concept of the Roman empire itself. ~Eloise who feels she should point out that she and David weren't at the *same* school and isn't aware of his calling her Florence *yet*. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Tue Apr 6 14:41:11 2004 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:41:11 -0000 Subject: School Latin (was Bella???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen said: I still forget how to pronounce Slytherin. Does the first part rhyme with sly or slither? >Eloise: > Slither. Like a snake. That *is* the Fry pronunciation, but that's a > good point about the sly bit which I'm sure is a visual pun to add to > the auditory one. Jen: Thank you! I'd slipped back into *Sly*therin again. Jen: > > I still remember the first Latin sentences I learned: "Britania est > > insula. Britania est *parva* insula." (Can't tell you if it's > > spelled right!) Eloise: > Britannia. > Was this from the Roman viewpoint of the US one, I wonder? Jen: Oh, US I'm sure. What? The world doesn't revolve around us? :) Eloise, on the Aeneid: > I think that because apart from being great literature, it's an > important work in terms of Roman history and identity, only this is a > point that doesn't tend (or wasn't in my case) to be made at school > level. > From what I understand, the Aeneid was commissioned by Augustus > himself and was (simply put) a piece of highly artistic propaganda. > There are parallels in it with more recent(in Augustan terms) Roman > history. It can be read to glorify and legitimise Augustus' rule as > emperor as well as some of his achievements, thus being a cultural > prop for the very concept of the Roman empire itself. Jen: OK, that makes sense. Not that I even remember the story very well now, but at least there's some historical significance to it, even if propaganda. When I was translating, the only information we got was feedback on our pronunciation and grammar:). Seems like a shame not to weave in the historical aspects to heighten interest. (Mind you, I didn't ask for supplemental reading at the time ). From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 17:33:40 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:33:40 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen, the invaluable Resident Classicist, wrotE: > 2. In a three (or more) syllable word, stress the antepenultimate, > unless the penult is long, in which case you stress that. The penult > is long if it contains a long vowel or a short vowel followed by two > or more consonants. How does one know whether the vowel is long or short? Amy From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 17:35:56 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:35:56 -0000 Subject: Accio Latin textbook! In-Reply-To: <144.25fe4bb4.2da2aecf@aol.com> Message-ID: Eloise wrote: > I can't remember how Stephen Fry pronounces it. He says it ack-sio. Amy From eloiseherisson at aol.com Tue Apr 6 20:56:55 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:56:55 EDT Subject: POA book differences Message-ID: A question was asked over on main which referenced the POA differences section of the Lexicon. _http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-pa.html_ (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-pa.html) I'd never looked at it before and I was intrigued by some of the differences. UK page refs are in brackets. Comments? Explanations? 16 (18) 'reporter' for 'newsreader': These are two different things in the UK. A reporter researches and writes a news report. They *may* present it. A news reader is primarily (though not exclusively) a presenter. 41 (35) 'wastebaskets' for 'bollards': These are two completely different things, a bollard being a kind of substantial post, usually of metal. The substitution also upsets JKR's alliteration: 'bushes and bollards, telephone boxes and trees'. 60 (49) 'scampered' for 'scarpered'. Although very similar, these words have quite different nuances. 'Scampering' implies a kind of levity of both movement and intent, it has an innocence about it, it's the sort of thing children and young animals do, whereas 'scarpering', frequently in the combination 'scarpering off' tends to be used when one is getting away from trouble, often deserved. 60 (49), 'racing' for 'haring'. Don't you have hares? 80 (63) 'gorilla-ish arms' for 'Gorilla arms' Just included that because it irritates me that the US publishers seemed to think that their readers couldn't cope with metaphor. 93 (73) 'assigned us' for 'set us': Is 'set' unfamiliar in this sense in US English?? 105 (81) 'crooked' for 'wonky': So what *do* you call a three legged donkey in the US?* 143 (108) 'Gryffindor hasn't' for 'Gryffindor haven't': In the UK, it is common (and acceptable) usage to follow a collective noun by a verb in its plural form. JKR is here (and later with Slytherin) using the name of the house as a collective noun representative of its many members. Is the US change pedantic, or does it reflect normal usage? 144 (109) 'spanking good' for 'cracking': This one just amused me as it seems to be the substitution of one rather old fashioned British descriptor for another. Or is 'spanking good' US usage? 160 (120) 'a moment later' for 'next moment': Is this really only British idiom? JKR does rather over use it, but it seems to be changed frequently. 191 (142) 'know it' for 'know it off': I think actually that the 'off' goes with the 'by heart' that follows it; the substitution is therefore of 'by heart' for 'off by heart'. 230 (170) 'party hats' for 'cracker hats'. Why on earth was this subsituted? I know you don't have Christmas crackers in the US, but the whole subject had already been introduced at the start of the scene with Dumbledore saying 'Crackers!' and offering one (helpfully, if awkwardly, explained in the US edition as a noisemaker) to Snape. Surely the reader could be expected to carry that information for the length of one page? 254 (188) 'only' removed from, 'Only we need...' Don't get this. 284 (209) 'neither' for 'nor': Had no idea that that little word was particularly British in this context. 304 (244) 'applauding' for 'clapping': Again, I didn't realise that clapping was a British usage. So how does the psalm translation go, then? 'And the trees of the field shall break into applause'? 307 (226) 'Fred Weasley chucked' for 'Fred Weasley had chucked'. Why change the tense of the action? ~Eloise *Sorry. This is an example of a typically bad cracker joke. Q. What do you call a three-legged donkey? Ans: Wonky. Oh dear. It's even worse than I thought. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 22:59:07 2004 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:59:07 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" wrote: > Jen, the invaluable Resident Classicist, wrotE: > > > 2. In a three (or more) syllable word, stress the > antepenultimate, > > unless the penult is long, in which case you stress that. The > penult > > is long if it contains a long vowel or a short vowel followed > by two > > or more consonants. > > How does one know whether the vowel is long or short? > > Amy In Bellatrix, the vowel in the antepenult is followed by two consonants, hence it is long, hence it is BELL-a-trix. Haggridd From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Tue Apr 6 23:45:19 2004 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 6 Apr 2004 23:45:19 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1081295119.8256.7634.w51@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPFGU-OTChatter group. File : /hbfilefinal.htm Uploaded by : kelleyelf Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/files/hbfilefinal.htm To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kelleyelf From andie at knownet.net Tue Apr 6 23:59:09 2004 From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:59:09 -0000 Subject: Philadelphia as Seen from Cooper's Ferry Message-ID: I know this is way OT, but regardless, you guys never disappoint me with your vast amount of knowledge about EVERY topic! In any case, my boyfriend is a HUGE fan of the book Arundel. If anyone if familiar with it, you know that they continue to mention this picture called "PHILADELPHIA AS SEEN FROM COOPER'S FERRY." I have looked everywhere for a picture of Philadelphia as Seen from Cooper's Ferry!!! I even went to www.cityscapes.com. They had tons of photographs of Philadelphia, but I have no idea if any of them are seen from Cooper's Ferry. I even wrote to them and they said that they really don't know either and that I'd have to ask someone who lived in the Philadelphia area. So, my questions to you guys are: 1)Would anyone be able to tell me if any of those pictures on cityscapes.com is Philadelphia as Seen from Cooper's Ferry?; and 2) Does anyone know of any really great photo/picture/art sites that may have what I am looking for? Anything you could tell me would be great, as he has looked for this for YEARS and has not been able to find it. It certainly would make for a great surprise birthday present. Thanks... Andrea :) From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 01:34:39 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:34:39 -0000 Subject: POA book differences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote: > A question was asked over on main which referenced the POA differences > section of the Lexicon. > _http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-pa.html_ > (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-pa.html) > I'd never looked at it before and I was intrigued by some of the > differences. UK page refs are in brackets. Comments? Explanations? First, a comment. Pretty much the whole year I was eleven, I lived in England, went to an English Grammar school, and read *lots* of British books, and I understood *all* of them. Even Nigel Molesworth (and *many* thanks to whoever reminded me of him with a link to a Molesworth spoof of HP recently). And my younger brother was partial to a comic book called "Beezer." > 16 (18) 'reporter' for 'newsreader': > These are two different things in the UK. A reporter researches and writes a > news report. They *may* present it. A news reader is primarily (though not > exclusively) a presenter. "Newsreader" is beginning to be used here. Not that it matters, because any child who could read the books at all would have gotten the picture immediately. Sheesh! > 41 (35) 'wastebaskets' for 'bollards': > These are two completely different things, a bollard being a kind of > substantial post, usually of metal. The substitution also upsets JKR's > alliteration: 'bushes and bollards, telephone boxes and trees'. "Bollards" would be a completely unfamiliar word to most of us. My Webster's agrees that it's a substantial post, but only refers to it being on a dock, for making hawsers fast to. > 60 (49) 'scampered' for 'scarpered'. > Although very similar, these words have quite different nuances. > 'Scampering' implies a kind of levity of both movement and intent, it has an innocence > about it, it's the sort of thing children and young animals do, whereas > 'scarpering', frequently in the combination 'scarpering off' tends to be used when > one is getting away from trouble, often deserved. We don't *say* "scarpered," but again, anyone would probably have gotten the idea. > 60 (49), 'racing' for 'haring'. > Don't you have hares? We do, and we say "haring," too. > 80 (63) 'gorilla-ish arms' for 'Gorilla arms' > Just included that because it irritates me that the US publishers seemed to > think that their readers couldn't cope with metaphor. > 93 (73) 'assigned us' for 'set us': > Is 'set' unfamiliar in this sense in US English?? Once again, not used that way here, but easily understood. > 105 (81) 'crooked' for 'wonky': > So what *do* you call a three legged donkey in the US?* "Glue?" *I* say wonky, because it was one of the words I picked up from you permanently (my Mom, on the other hand, is always "bunging" things somewhere). Everybody always knew what I meant. > 143 (108) 'Gryffindor hasn't' for 'Gryffindor haven't': > In the UK, it is common (and acceptable) usage to follow a collective noun > by a verb in its plural form. JKR is here (and later with Slytherin) using the > name of the house as a collective noun representative of its many members. Is > the US change pedantic, or does it reflect normal usage? We are taught to use the singular. Maybe the editors didn't want a horde of angry English(!) teachers after them... > 144 (109) 'spanking good' for 'cracking': > This one just amused me as it seems to be the substitution of one rather old > fashioned British descriptor for another. Or is 'spanking good' US usage? No spanking here, even on children these days. And they say "cracking" on Wallace and Gromit, don't they??? "Cracking toast, Gromit!" > 160 (120) 'a moment later' for 'next moment': > Is this really only British idiom? JKR does rather over use it, but it seems > to be changed frequently. No idea on this one. Maybe the editors had a quota? > 191 (142) 'know it' for 'know it off': > I think actually that the 'off' goes with the 'by heart' that follows it; > the substitution is therefore of 'by heart' for 'off by heart'. We do say "off by heart," all the time. Maybe this is another one for the English teachers? > 230 (170) 'party hats' for 'cracker hats'. > 254 (188) 'only' removed from, 'Only we need...' > Don't get this. > 284 (209) 'neither' for 'nor': > Had no idea that that little word was particularly British in this context. > 304 (244) 'applauding' for 'clapping': > Again, I didn't realise that clapping was a British usage. So how does the > psalm translation go, then? 'And the trees of the field shall break into > applause'? > 307 (226) 'Fred Weasley chucked' for 'Fred Weasley had chucked'. > Why change the tense of the action? No idea for any of these. If I were editing these, I wouldn't change anything, not even "jumper," spelling, or usage. I agree with whoever said they ought to just bung in a glossary (that was one for my Mum there). Oh, and 'quotation mark' usage would remain unchanged, too. The British feel of it would certainly have been a big part of the enjoyment. I was amused reading OoP, when McGonagall offered Harry a biscuit. The Scholastic edition used the word 'biscuit' twice, but they just *had* to clarify by sticking in the word "cookie" besides. :P I was going to wait until after book 7 was released and get my Raincoast editions all at once, but now, I don't know... Annemehr From kelleythompson at gbronline.com Tue Apr 6 23:23:35 2004 From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:23:35 -0000 Subject: Haggridd!! (was Re: Bella???) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Haggridd" wrote: > In Bellatrix, the vowel in the antepenult is followed by two > consonants, hence it is long, hence it is BELL-a-trix. > > Haggridd >>> Welcome back, Haggridd! So great to see you again! How are you? --Kelley From lhuntley at fandm.edu Wed Apr 7 01:58:07 2004 From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:58:07 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] POA book differences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <03FF7A05-8837-11D8-94CF-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu> Eloise: > > I'd never looked at it before and I was intrigued by some of the > differences. UK page refs are in brackets. Comments? Explanations? > 16 (18) 'reporter' for 'newsreader': > These are two different things in the UK. A reporter researches and > writes a > news report. They *may* present it. A news reader is primarily (though > not > exclusively) a presenter. Hmm . . . I'd guess that the literal equivalent of "newsreader" in the US is "newscaster," but the word "reporter" is also often used for them, whether or not they have actually researched and written the story themselves. I'm not sure if this usage is technically accurate though. > 41 (35) 'wastebaskets' for 'bollards': > These are two completely different things, a bollard being a kind of > substantial post, usually of metal. The substitution also upsets JKR's > alliteration: 'bushes and bollards, telephone boxes and trees'. This is the first I've ever heard of a "bollard" -- not sure what they're called in the US though, or even if it's something different at all. (Not a city girl, sorry.) > 60 (49) 'scampered' for 'scarpered'. > Although very similar, these words have quite different nuances. > 'Scampering' implies a kind of levity of both movement and intent, it > has an innocence > about it, it's the sort of thing children and young animals do, > whereas > 'scarpering', frequently in the combination 'scarpering off' tends to > be used when > one is getting away from trouble, often deserved. I'd say "scampering" has the same connotations here as in the UK, although it can contain an element of mischievousness IMO. "Scurried" or "scuttled" might have been better choices. > 60 (49), 'racing' for 'haring'. > Don't you have hares? Heh, of course. I have no idea why this was changed -- "haring" as in "haring after somebody" or "haring off" is definitely part of the US English vocabulary. > 80 (63) 'gorilla-ish arms' for 'Gorilla arms' > Just included that because it irritates me that the US publishers > seemed to > think that their readers couldn't cope with metaphor. Agreed. > 93 (73) 'assigned us' for 'set us': > Is 'set' unfamiliar in this sense in US English?? Unfamiliar, yes, but very easy to understand given the context (at least IMO). > 105 (81) 'crooked' for 'wonky': Wonky in the US sense means crazy, offbeat, funny, eccentric, weird, etc. *runs off to Merriam-Webster Online to check what it means in England* Huh, well, apparently "wonky" isn't even a *word* in America -- the only definitions given are both qualified as "British". 1. British: Unsteady, Shaky. 2. British: Awry, Wrong. Hrm . . . well, I'd say that if JKR actually meant for Ron to be talking *specifically* about a crooked/awry/shaky cross, the word "wonky" would have misled the American readership a bit. Not that I think it should have been changed, mind you. > 143 (108) 'Gryffindor hasn't' for 'Gryffindor haven't': > In the UK, it is common (and acceptable) usage to follow a collective > noun > by a verb in its plural form. JKR is here (and later with Slytherin) > using the > name of the house as a collective noun representative of its many > members. Is > the US change pedantic, or does it reflect normal usage? At least by the rules *I* was taught, "Gryffindor haven't" is definitely Bad Grammar. However, I'm only 19, so I can't really speak for the older generation. Perhaps they were taught something different? *looks about for assistance* > 144 (109) 'spanking good' for 'cracking': > This one just amused me as it seems to be the substitution of one > rather old > fashioned British descriptor for another. Or is 'spanking good' US > usage? "Spanking good", "spanking new", "spanking clean" . . . these are all expressions that are used fairly commonly in the US (well, the last two might be a *little* out of date). Cracking is not really used over here as an adverb, but it's really easy to figure out in context. > 160 (120) 'a moment later' for 'next moment': > Is this really only British idiom? JKR does rather over use it, but it > seems > to be changed frequently. I honestly have no idea why that was changed. > 191 (142) 'know it' for 'know it off': > I think actually that the 'off' goes with the 'by heart' that follows > it; > the substitution is therefore of 'by heart' for 'off by heart'. I assume this is a common phrase in Britain, as it just looks like an unnecessary overuse of prepositions to me. > 230 (170) 'party hats' for 'cracker hats'. > Why on earth was this subsituted? I know you don't have Christmas > crackers > in the US, but the whole subject had already been introduced at the > start of > the scene with Dumbledore saying 'Crackers!' and offering one > (helpfully, if > awkwardly, explained in the US edition as a noisemaker) to Snape. > Surely the > reader could be expected to carry that information for the length of > one page? Well, it might have something to do with the fact that a "cracker" *is* a "cracker" in the US -- in the party favor sense, that is. On the other hand, "cracker hat" sounds like nonsense out of context. (Again, however, figuring out what it means is as easy as, "What? A hat made out of crackers? *Oh* . . . they meant the hats that *came* from the crackers.") > 254 (188) 'only' removed from, 'Only we need...' > Don't get this. *shrugs* Beats me. > 284 (209) 'neither' for 'nor': > Had no idea that that little word was particularly British in this > context. It's not, but it does sound a little overly formal. "My dad didn't *strut* . . . and nor do I!" It kind of gives it the air of a dramatic declaration, which I don't think JKR was particularly going for, but of course it's silly to change it. > 304 (244) 'applauding' for 'clapping': > Again, I didn't realise that clapping was a British usage. So how does > the > psalm translation go, then? 'And the trees of the field shall break > into > applause'? "Clapping" is definitely in common American usage. I have *no* idea why this was changed. > 307 (226) 'Fred Weasley chucked' for 'Fred Weasley had chucked'. > Why change the tense of the action? *has nothing to offer but another shrug* Laura From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed Apr 7 05:34:42 2004 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:34:42 -0000 Subject: POA book differences In-Reply-To: <03FF7A05-8837-11D8-94CF-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu> Message-ID: Annemehr & Laura did a great job of pointing out individual differences (and shrugging at the rest--what can you say?). The problem is, there are variations even within the US for some of the edits. For instance, newsreader, scarpered, haring & cracker are *not* common words in Texas. I don't think I've heard any of those used in conversation. "Wonky" around here usually refers to a slightly nerdy person who spends too much time with his/her head in the books. Like a Policy Wonk is someone who is interested only in numbers and facts, and not the political factors that cloud the issue. My thought is, why change anything if you are trying to please all the different regions in the US? It won't happen, so forget it. When JKR used "maths" in her chat, it wasn't how I would say it, but it doesn't take a genuis to figure out what she meant!! I would say "Oh, dear, math" or "I'm not good with numbers", but the point is the same. Jen, wondering what possible motive the editors had for changing gorilla arms to gorilla-ish arms. From lupinesque at yahoo.com Wed Apr 7 06:59:50 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 06:59:50 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen wrote: > > > 2. In a three (or more) syllable word, stress the > > antepenultimate, > > > unless the penult is long, in which case you stress that. > The > > penult > > > is long if it contains a long vowel or a short vowel followed > > by two > > > or more consonants. I wanted to know: > > How does one know whether the vowel is long or short? Haggridd replied: > In Bellatrix, the vowel in the antepenult is followed by two > consonants, hence it is long, hence it is BELL-a-trix. Wait, wait, the vowel in question is the A, not the E. Surely the pronunciation of "bell" is "bell," regardless of whether it's the stressed syllable. But the pronunciation of the penultimate syllable's vowel, the A, that's the question. Amy From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 17:54:46 2004 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:54:46 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" wrote: > Jen, the invaluable Resident Classicist, wrotE: > > > 2. In a three (or more) syllable word, stress the > antepenultimate, > > unless the penult is long, in which case you stress that. The > penult > > is long if it contains a long vowel or a short vowel followed > by two > > or more consonants. > > How does one know whether the vowel is long or short? > > Amy In the case of Bellatrix, the vowel in the antepenult is followed by two consonants. Haggridd From kkersey at swbell.net Thu Apr 8 05:03:00 2004 From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:03:00 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: <144.25f7eede.2da26dde@aol.com> Message-ID: For what it's worth, Lewis and Short is searchable online (how cool is that?!) and shows the "a" in "bellatrix" to be long. What this entails as far as stressing which syllable - I'll let someone else figure out. In any case, I don't think that how either the Ancient Romans *or* modern English schoolchildren pronounced "bellatrix" has much bearing on the proper pronunciation of Bellatrix's name. Given the preponderance of astronomically-derived names in the Black family, it seems pretty clear to me that she was named after the *star* Bellatrix. And that star's name does seem to have a standard English pronunciation: BEL-la-trix. (If I sound like some sort of expert on this, I certainly don't mean to - I just looked it up on two or three web sites, including the one for the Earth and Sky radio program, 'cause I thought they would know: http://www.earthsky.org/skywatching/pronunciation.php ) By the same reasoning: DRAY-ko I am enjoying the discussion of Latin pronunciation though. Way back in high school, I took a year of Latin and then skipped a level to join the third/fourth year class. My classmates, who had started their studies under the previous teacher, pronounced their Latin with a noticable Scottish accent. This is just about all I remember, apart from the opening line of The Aeneid, from my high school Latin studies: Nonne summus homines? Summus DEVO! D-E-V-O! Hmmmm, I'm thinking now I might have been better off taking that "personal typing" course instead, after all. OK then, back to lurking... Karen From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 14:09:55 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:09:55 -0000 Subject: Bella??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Karen wrote: > This is just about all I remember, apart from the opening line of The > Aeneid, from my high school Latin studies: > > Nonne summus homines? > Summus DEVO! D-E-V-O! ROTFL! Amy Z From kkearney at students.miami.edu Thu Apr 8 16:47:18 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:47:18 -0000 Subject: Generational Parallels post Message-ID: A while back, pre-OoP, Abigail posted a TBAY style post to the main list regarding generational parallels. I was looking for it the other day, but the Yahoo Search is terrible when trying to look back that far. Would anyone happen to know approximately which message number this was? -Corinth From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Apr 8 19:19:07 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:19:07 -0000 Subject: Generational Parallels post In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > A while back, pre-OoP, Abigail posted a TBAY style post to the main > list regarding generational parallels. I was looking for it the > other day, but the Yahoo Search is terrible when trying to look back > that far. Would anyone happen to know approximately which message > number this was? > > -Corinth I know *exactly* which message number it was! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/78098 I liked it so much, I emailed Abigail, so I had the date of her reply still in my inbox. :-) Annemehr who never liked the "Neville's like Peter, so he'll be a traitor" conclusion-jumping, anyway From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Apr 9 18:05:05 2004 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:05:05 -0000 Subject: England Real Estate - Just for Fun Message-ID: Ever wonder what type of house the Dursleys might live in, or just wonder about the real estate prices in England. Just for fun I searched a couple of website for UK real estate concentrating on Surrey, although I search a few other areas like Fullham that I was interested in. My search was for 3 to 4 bedroom detached houses between 100,000 and 1,000,000 Pounds, or about $160,000 to $1,600,000. Some of them were unbelievable. What I would consider a tiny cottage, they considered a 500,000 BPound house. Interestingly, I did find one Middlesex home that considered a room 8ft by 6ft to be a bedroom. I think here in the USA, we call those closets. Anyway, I thought others might have some fun looking, so here are the mutli-listing sites I was on. http://fish4.co.uk/homes/index.jsp http://www.themovechannel.com/SiteFinder/residential_sales/ Although, I wouldn't have thought so, you can actually find some reasonably nice homes in Surrey for 150,000 to 300,000 BPounds (approx $240,000 to $480,000). Note: exteriors can be deceiving. I saw houses that looked like nothing on the outside, that were very nice on the inside. Just for fun. bboy_mn From pbarhug at earthlink.net Sat Apr 10 00:46:00 2004 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:46:00 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] England Real Estate - Just for Fun References: Message-ID: <001501c41e95$323067d0$0201000a@DJZCB631> Steve wrote: Ever wonder what type of house the Dursleys might live in, or just wonder about the real estate prices in England. Just for fun I searched a couple of website for UK real estate concentrating on Surrey, although I search a few other areas like Fullham that I was interested in. My search was for 3 to 4 bedroom detached houses between 100,000 and 1,000,000 Pounds, or about $160,000 to $1,600,000. Thanks for the websites--talk about great time wasters. I've already e-mailed my husband several pictures along with detailed plans for our relocation to the UK; wonder why I haven't heard back from him yet... The differences between US and UK real estate are really striking. One thing I don't understand..what is an "onward chain" and what is its impact on housing sales? drpam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From eloiseherisson at aol.com Sat Apr 10 08:13:02 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:13:02 -0000 Subject: England Real Estate - Just for Fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: > Just for fun I searched a couple of website for UK real estate > concentrating on Surrey, although I search a few other areas like > Fullham that I was interested in. We don't have real estate, we have property. ;-) > > My search was for 3 to 4 bedroom detached houses between 100,000 and > 1,000,000 Pounds, or about $160,000 to $1,600,000. > > Some of them were unbelievable. What I would consider a tiny cottage, > they considered a 500,000 BPound house. You have to remember that land is at a much greater premium here in the UK. We are not, as you may have noticed, quite such a big country as the US. ;-) You also have to remember that generally everything over here is more expensive in than in the US, not to mention the effect of exchange rates (which I think are in our favour at the present). Also, you have been searching expensive areas of the country. Surrey is very affluent, within commuting distance of London and also home to one of the London airports (Gatwick) all of which bump up prices. As for Fulham, a fashinable area of London.... The average price fro a property in the UK is now ?151,467, ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3592453.stm gives a good recent summary of the housing market here) so not to find anything much for that price in Surrey is hardly surprising. > > Interestingly, I did find one Middlesex home that considered a room > 8ft by 6ft to be a bedroom. I think here in the USA, we call those > closets. As I say, space is often at a premium. Walk in closets are rare here. > Although, I wouldn't have thought so, you can actually find some > reasonably nice homes in Surrey for 150,000 to 300,000 BPounds (approx > $240,000 to $480,000). Note: exteriors can be deceiving. I saw houses > that looked like nothing on the outside, that were very nice on the > inside. Locations can be very important. Even in Surrey. > Just for fun. I know! ;-) drpam asked about chains. In England and Wales (not Scotland) a firm contract to buy/sell isn't made immediately. Sales are made 'subject to contract' and what often happens is that chains build up: I put in an offer to buy your house, but that depends on my ability to sell my house, which depends on my prospective buyer selling his house, etc. Same the other way. I'm ready to move into the house you're selling me, having a buyer ready to move into my property, but the house *you* are wanting to buy isn't available as perhaps your vendor or someone further forward in the chain hasn't found a property to move into yet. Clear? ;-) Jolly good. ~Eloise From kcawte at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 10 10:25:40 2004 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:25:40 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: England Real Estate - Just for Fun References: Message-ID: <009101c41ee6$2d1579b0$bcde6251@kathryn> drpam asked about chains and Eloise explained : In England and Wales (not Scotland) a firm contract to buy/sell isn't made immediately. Sales are made 'subject to contract' and what often happens is that chains build up: I put in an offer to buy your house, but that depends on my ability to sell my house, which depends on my prospective buyer selling his house, etc. Same the other way. I'm ready to move into the house you're selling me, having a buyer ready to move into my property, but the house *you* are wanting to buy isn't available as perhaps your vendor or someone further forward in the chain hasn't found a property to move into yet. K drpam also asked about the effects on housing sales of chains - well that depends. If everything goes to plan it has no effect at all but if someone at some stage in the chain has trouble swinging a mortgage (not surprising when house prices are rising to the extent that many first time buyers need a 100% mortgage) or worse someone gets gazumped (i.e. some other rotter offers the person you were planning on buying your house from a little more money and you suddenly find yourself with nowhere to move into) then things can get very very fraught and if you're really unlucky the sales can collapse along the whole chain and everyone finds themselves back at square one. K From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 10 15:33:00 2004 From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:33:00 -0000 Subject: England Real Estate - Just for Fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve wrote: > Interestingly, I did find one Middlesex home that considered a room > 8ft by 6ft to be a bedroom. I think here in the USA, we call those > closets. Yes, I've noticed on US TV programs the strange habit you Americans have of calling large rooms 'a closet'. Then the character will apologise for making someone sleep in this supposed 'closet', which by the look of it could comfortably sleep a couple of teenagers. And probably the dog. And a pair of gerbils. With room for the tropical fish tank left over. :-) Personally, I call a room 8ft by 6ft 'my bathroom'. Bathtub is included. We're a very small country, with a lot of people that we've got to shoehorn in somewhere [grin]. Pip!Squeak From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com Sat Apr 10 17:33:05 2004 From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:33:05 -0000 Subject: England Real Estate - Just for Fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: Interestingly, I did find one Middlesex home that considered a room > 8ft by 6ft to be a bedroom. I think here in the USA, we call those > closets. > bboy_mn A. Goldfeesh says> You must never have lived in a college dorm. At the Towers in Ames, IA, I do believe an 8x6 room at one time would have housed at *least* three students. :) A. Goldfeesh (who never lived in the Towers but had friends who did) From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 10 21:53:02 2004 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:53:02 -0000 Subject: Latin (was: Bella) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > Jen, remembering a semester devoted entirely to translating the > Aeneid. Why? To brainwash you into being a loyal and useful subject of the Roman Empire. Dulce et decore est pro patria mori (IIRC that was Seneca rather than Virgil, but the sentiment applies). Even if your Fatherland is a 'rogue nation'? From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 10 21:59:19 2004 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:59:19 -0000 Subject: POA book differences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote: > 105 (81) 'crooked' for 'wonky': > So what *do* you call a three legged donkey in the US?* Yard, because it only has three feet. I've known several cats and dogs, and one turtle, with that name for that reason. I speculate that 'wobbly' would convey the meaning of 'wonky' better than 'crooked' does. > 143 (108) 'Gryffindor hasn't' for 'Gryffindor haven't': > In the UK, it is common (and acceptable) usage to follow a > collective noun by a verb in its plural form. JKR is here (and > later with Slytherin) using the name of the house as a collective > noun representative of its many members. Is the US change > pedantic, or does it reflect normal usage? That British usage drives Americans quite mad! No matter how 'bad' our out-of-school grammar may be, we cannot stand a plural verb with a singular noun no matter how collective. It is so grating to the ear! From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 11 15:03:13 2004 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 11 Apr 2004 15:03:13 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1081695793.24.78715.m2@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, April 11, 2004 Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer Time. Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 Hope to see you there! From eloiseherisson at aol.com Sun Apr 11 15:26:36 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:26:36 EDT Subject: Metrication and three legged donkeys (was: Re: POA book differences) Message-ID: Eloise: > > So what *do* you call a three legged donkey in the US?* Catlady: > Yard, because it only has three feet. LOL. This was of course totally lost on my children who are of the metric generation, so I had to explain it to them. Having said that my seven year old was fairly prompt in translating a 5 ft alligator she heard about on the radio to 1m 50, once I explained that a foot was 30 cm. I have to say that metrication is not something I'm wild about. Yes, it makes calculations easier, but especially in length, it just doesn't *mean* anything, whereas imperial measures are things you can relate to. It's much easier to visualise five feet than a metre and a half. And of course it's more than twice as easy to lose a pound than it is to lose a kilo. Though thinking about it, it's also easier to gain a pound than a kilo. Hmm. ;-) ~Eloise Who knows an English Mastiff who recently lost a leg. Now that's a sight. Nearly as big as a three legged donkey. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From malaprop2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 16:08:38 2004 From: malaprop2000 at yahoo.com (malaprop2000) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:08:38 -0000 Subject: Rabbit & Jinx story status Message-ID: Another Snape Meets the Dursley's Story on FF.net. Does anyone know if it has been completed elsewhere? Or if the author is no longer writing? Thanks for any info you can give. From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 10:34:06 2004 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Many belated birthdays! Message-ID: <20040412103406.92394.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> *shuffles feet, blushing and stammering* I owe everyone an explanation, as I have been remiss in the birthday elfing for a few weeks now. Sorry to say, real life intruded badly and birthday greetings fell by the wayside. I think I'm back on track now. Sincere apologies for all whose special days weren't announced promptly. Belated birthday wishes to all listed below. As always, birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to the email adresses provided. Missed birthday honourees were: loony (Erin K) Erthena at aol.com March 18 Wanda witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com March 20 Laura animalsbaby_1999 at yahoo.com or lhickman at home.com March 20 Rebecca J (Anderson) Bohner bohners at pobox.com March 23 GartZen gartzen at e-mail.dk March 26 Amanda returnofsharkbait at canada.com March 31 eledhwen_0 slinkie at nids.se March 31 Barb blpurdom at yahoo.com April 4 Jenny from Ravenclaw meboriqua at aol.com April 4 Amber ambiree at students.bradley.edu April 9 Once again, my sincere apologies to all of you. I hope your days were special and brought everything you wished for. Happy Birthday, Erin! Happy Birthday, Wanda! Happy Birthday, Laura! Happy Birthday, Rebecca! Happy Birthday, GartZen! Happy Birthday, Amanda! Happy Birthday, eledhwen_0! Happy Birthday, Barb! Happy Birthday, Jenny! Happy Birthday, Amber! Sheryll the desperately bad Birthday Elf, running off to iron fingers *and* slam ears in the oven door ===== http://www.conventionalley.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From naama_gat at hotmail.com Tue Apr 13 11:54:13 2004 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:54:13 -0000 Subject: Snakes, anybody? Message-ID: Hi, I'm working out a theory on the "central and crucial" question of Harry's and Voldemort's survival, and am struck again by the snakes and snake symbolism crawling all over the place. I'm sure someone has done some brilliant analysis on this already. Can anybody here remember such a thing? I'd really appreciate a reference, even a vague one, to such a post. Thanks. Naama From pbarhug at earthlink.net Tue Apr 13 20:03:18 2004 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:03:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: England Real Estate - Just for Fun References: <009101c41ee6$2d1579b0$bcde6251@kathryn> Message-ID: <002f01c42192$5df67030$0201000a@DJZCB631> I asked about chains thus Eloise and Kathryn explained : In England and Wales (not Scotland) a firm contract to buy/sell isn't made immediately. Sales are made 'subject to contract' and what often happens is that chains build up: I put in an offer to buy your house, but that depends on my ability to sell my house, which depends on my prospective buyer selling his house, etc. If everything goes to plan it has no effect at all but if someone at some stage in the chain has trouble swinging a mortgage (not surprising when house prices are rising to the extent that many first time buyers need a 100% mortgage) or worse someone gets gazumped (i.e. some other rotter offers the person you were planning on buying your house from a little more money and you suddenly find yourself with nowhere to move into) then things can get very very fraught and if you're really unlucky the sales can collapse along the whole chain and everyone finds themselves back at square one. drpam again: Thank you, Ladies. This is what we call ( I believe) here in America a contingent contract with a kick-out clause--which in these very hot and overpriced American real estate markets are viewed as a kiss of death to one's chances of buying a home. How hot are the UK real estate markets? Around here, single day sales and multiple escalating contracts are the norm. drpam who found a lovely house in Maidstone with large closets.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigbonedgal26 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 13 23:39:43 2004 From: bigbonedgal26 at hotmail.com (black_grimalkin) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:39:43 -0000 Subject: World Wizarding Press Books Message-ID: What do you think of the World Wizarding Press books that are put out about the HP series? Do you think that they are accurate in their predications and observations, or do you think that they are way off base? I was wondering what others thought as I bought 2 recently and have started reading through them. Any comments would be welcome :) black grimalkin From lupinesque at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 07:32:44 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:32:44 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How does this bit of wisdom translate?: "It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live." The Italian yields magnificence: Not ago in order to live on the dreams and in order to forget living. Ah, but translate it first into French, thence into German, and back into English, and one gets the unspeakably poetic, or at least the unspeakable: It does not make to live in order to remain on dreams, and in order to forget. Amy Z. From lupinesque at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 07:34:05 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:34:05 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debbie wrote: > I'm coming very late to the Google party, but it occurred to me that > this was our golden opportunity to decipher the Prophecy once and for > all. Here's the result, English - Spanish - English: > > "The one that it is with the energy to overcome the dark gentleman > approaches. . . taken to that they have three times challenge of > him, taken as the seventh month dies. . . and the dark gentleman > will mark it like his equal one, but he will have energy that the > dark gentleman knows no. . . and anyone must die in the hand of > the other for neither nor others can live whereas the other > survives. . . the one that it is with the energy to overcome the > dark gentleman will be taken like the seventh approaches of the month" I'm feeling a little disturbed about the fortune cookie that told me I would be swept away by a dark gentleman. Amy From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 07:35:21 2004 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:35:21 -0000 Subject: Metrication and three legged donkeys (was: Re: POA book differences) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote: > Eloise: > > > So what *do* you call a three legged donkey in the US?* > Catlady: > > Yard, because it only has three feet. > Eloise: > > And of course it's more than twice as easy to lose a pound than it is > to lose a kilo. Though thinking about it, it's also easier to gain a > pound than a kilo. Hmm. ;-) > ~Eloise > bboy_mn: Most unfortunately, (some) British people have the nasty habit of giving body weigh in Stones, and believe me it very difficult to gain or lose a Stone (14 pounds). Even though I only weigh 11.4 stones, I wouldn't mind dropping one, unfortunately, at my age it would drop from all the wrong places. bboy_mn From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Wed Apr 14 12:59:24 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:59:24 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" wrote: > Debbie wrote: > > > I'm coming very late to the Google party, but it occurred to me > that > > this was our golden opportunity to decipher the Prophecy once and > for > > all. I'm coming even later than Amy, and I still haven't figured out how to get to this translation tool you are all using. However, I discovered that the Google-page is available in a variety of languages, including PIG-LATIN, which I though was a hoot. I'm gonna keep trying to find the translation tool ,but any hints from you are appreciated. Sophia From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 15:57:46 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:57:46 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > I'm coming even later than Amy, and I still haven't figured out how > to get to this translation tool you are all using. However, I > discovered that the Google-page is available in a variety of > languages, including PIG-LATIN, which I though was a hoot. I'm gonna > keep trying to find the translation tool ,but any hints from you are > appreciated. > > Sophia Since you found the Pig Latin, you must have passed the translator right by without realising it. But, to minimise confusion, and in case there's anyone else who'd like to know, here's how I got there step by step: 1. Go to www.google.com. 2. Just to the right of the box for typing in your search terms, there are three clickies: Advanced Search Preferences Language Tools Click on "Language Tools." 3. There are several light blue boxes, each for doing something wrt languages. This is where I guess Sophia ended up: the third one down contains language choices to have Google translated into, including the Pig Latin. Well, the *second* light blue box is labeled "Translate." Just type the text you want translated into the text box, and just below it choose which languages you want to translate from and to, from the choices they give you. Hope this is helpful to Sophia and anyone else who may have missed the original message. :-) Annemehr From lupinesque at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 16:19:40 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:19:40 -0000 Subject: Fun with Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Much too late to enter the Post contest, I tried translating this very singable phrase into French and back: "You make me feel like a natural woman" and got "You make me feel it like a normal woman." How romantic! Amy From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Wed Apr 14 16:38:19 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:38:19 -0000 Subject: new poster Message-ID: OK: This belongs on the movie-list, and I posted there too, but wanted to reach some other posters as well (you'll know who you are): there's a new poster up at Latinoreview, and on my own behalf and on behalf of anyone who gets varied types of warm fuzzies for Daniel-as- Harry: gasp-splutter-jawdropping-disbelief-ohmygoodness-where-on- earth-did-that-cherub-cheeked-kid-go...OK, back to normal again, maybe. Sophia http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2004/wb/harrypotter3/hp3intlposter- a.html From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Wed Apr 14 16:44:43 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:44:43 -0000 Subject: new poster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I messed up the link on the previous post, it was so long. I'll not attempt in again. Just go to Leaky, they have the correct link. Sophia From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 17:52:12 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:52:12 -0000 Subject: new poster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > OK: This belongs on the movie-list, and I posted there too, but > wanted to reach some other posters as well (you'll know who you are): > > there's a new poster up at Latinoreview, and on my own behalf and on > behalf of anyone who gets varied types of warm fuzzies for Daniel-as- > Harry: gasp-splutter-jawdropping-disbelief-ohmygoodness-where-on- > earth-did-that-cherub-cheeked-kid-go...OK, back to normal again, > maybe. > > Sophia > > http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2004/wb/harrypotter3/hp3intlposter- > a.html but......... ...but...... ......but... WHY do they *always* pose DR with his head down and his eyes looking up at you in those posters? As if they were going for the Feral Cat look, or the Dangerous look, but I can't help thinking of it as the Sex Kitten look (for females, normally). He never does that in the movies, and I never imagine Harry does that, either. Does it bug anybody else, or am I the only one? :P Annemehr who would like those posters if it wasn't for that, even though they look overly airbrushed, and who isn't even mentioning Rupert Grint's usual expression... From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Wed Apr 14 18:30:24 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:30:24 -0000 Subject: new poster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > WHY do they *always* pose DR with his head down and his eyes looking > up at you in those posters? As if they were going for the Feral Cat > look, or the Dangerous look, but I can't help thinking of it as the > Sex Kitten look (for females, normally). > > He never does that in the movies, and I never imagine Harry does that, > either. Does it bug anybody else, or am I the only one? :P > > Annemehr > who would like those posters if it wasn't for that, even though they > look overly airbrushed, and who isn't even mentioning Rupert Grint's > usual expression... Hm. Good point. I wouldn't say it was always, though. You've seen more of it in the US, I think, as the official US posters for SS and CoS were quite different from the international ones. For SS, it's a three-quarter profile of a cherub-cheeked boy gazing into the distance in the international one, whereas the US poster shows just the kind of pose you described. It should please you then, that the official movie poster for PoA is NOT like that. As for this one, it's more of the "dangerous look" to me, I guess. I actually hadn't reflected on it. You're absolutely right, he never comes off like that in the movies of course--so far. (Though as for this movie, I have heard that we will see an angrier Harry than we may expect, so perhaps it's not altogether off the mark in that respect.)I think maybe they're going for look of the jaw-clenched concentration and barely contained fury of an action hero. Daniel does have a remarkable capacity to bore his eyes into (out of)the still photo, I suppose marketing wished to capitalize on it. But be that as it may, I think it's a really nice composition. As for Rupert, poor boy,I agree: He never seems to get to make any other faces on those posters regardless of what the other two are conveying... Sophia From moonlightwolf676 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 12:20:12 2004 From: moonlightwolf676 at yahoo.com (moonlightwolf676) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:20:12 -0000 Subject: Merlin-vs-Dumbledor Message-ID: If Dumbledor and Merlin got into a fight, who would win? I think it will be Dumbledor. But, I guess its just me being a HP fanatic... From neonsister at ameritech.net Thu Apr 15 00:52:38 2004 From: neonsister at ameritech.net (neonsister at ameritech.net) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:52:38 -0000 Subject: Merlin-vs-Dumbledor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And what if Gandalf joined in and we had an all-out wizard brawl?! hee hee hee.... Tracy *amused by the mental picture* --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "moonlightwolf676" wrote: > If Dumbledor and Merlin got into a fight, who would win? > I think it will be Dumbledor. But, I guess its just me being a HP > fanatic... From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Apr 15 10:08:47 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:08:47 -0000 Subject: Why chocolate solves everything Message-ID: I confess to belonging to a chocolate-tasting club in the UK (www.chocs.com if you really want to be led astray), and was intrigued to read in their latest newsletter some support for JKR's novel use of chocolate as a remedy in the WW. Here are some quotes: 'Research from the University of California has confirmed the existence of flavonoids in chocolate, which is a naturally occurring antioxidant. The good news is that its presence thins the blood and prevents clotting, in much the same way as aspirin, helping to maintain a healthy heart and good circulation. It can also contribute to lower blood pressure and deter the clogging of arteries.' 'Theobromine, also found in chocolate, is a mild stimulant and a natural anti-depressant helping to promote a positive mental attitude. It can also help you to stay alert and to pay attention by increasing neurotransmitter activity in the brain.' 'Following experiments at Harvard University, researchers have even suggested that if you eat good chocolate three times a month you will live almost a year longer than those who don't.' The original source for the scientific research is: http://www.chocolateinfo.com/sr/index.jsp Carolyn, wondering whether she can volunteer somehow for the clinical trials From kkearney at students.miami.edu Thu Apr 15 16:43:37 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:43:37 -0000 Subject: Metrication and three legged donkeys (was: Re: POA book differences) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eloise wrote: > I have to say that metrication is not something I'm wild about. Yes, it > makes calculations easier, but especially in length, it just doesn't *mean* > anything, whereas imperial measures are things you can relate to. It's much easier > to visualise five feet than a metre and a half. > And of course it's more than twice as easy to lose a pound than it is to > lose a kilo. Though thinking about it, it's also easier to gain a pound than a > kilo. Hmm. ;-) Hey, I'd be happy with either system, as long as I could work with just one (well, I'd prefer metric, but I'd settle for imperial). But working for the Navy, I get the people who seem to realize the practicality of the metric sytem but are stuck with manuals, regulations, descriptions, etc. in the imperial system. The result is I'm stuck using bizarre units like kiloyards (which, in case you were wondering, is about .56 miles or .9 kilometers). And, of course, most of the equipment on ships is in terms of nautical miles, just to make things more fun. -Corinth From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 17:58:29 2004 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis Morris) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Convention Alley Early Registration Ending Soon! Message-ID: <20040415175829.42110.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Apparently, Yahoomort has vaporized messages that were sent to the HPfGU lists approximately 11-13 hours ago via webview, so if you've sent a message to this list and it hasn't shown up, please try re-sending it again via webview or sending it via e-mail instead. The following is a repeat of an announcement that I tried to send 13 hours ago via webview, so my apologies if you wind up receiving it twice: There are only two weeks left to register for this summer's HPfGU-sponsored conference, called "Convention Alley," at the early registration price! Convention Alley will be held at the University of Ottawa from Friday, July 30 through Sunday, August 1, 2004. Registration provides admission to all of the daytime programming sessions, light refreshments at Friday's meet and greet, breakfast and lunch on Saturday and Sunday (with guest speaker Judith Robertson at Sunday's luncheon), Saturday evening's birthday banquet (with keynote speaker Steve Vander Ark), admission to the Prisoner of Azkaban movie on Saturday evening and admission to such areas as the vendor marketplace and games room. In addition, all participants will be provided with a copy of the conference proceedings (a compilation of the papers presented at the conference) when they arrive on Friday. Registering on or before April 30, 2004 costs $200.00 Canadian, while registering on or after May 1, 2004 will cost $250.00 Canadian. Please note that the cost figures are listed in Canadian dollars. While the conversion is subject to change depending on the value of the Canadian dollar, $200 Canadian currently equals approximately $151 in American dollars (for registrations before May 1, 2004), and $250 Canadian currently equals approximately $189 in American dollars (for registrations between May 1, 2004 and July 1, 2004). We'd like as many participants as possible to attend for the lower price, so please don't delay! For more information, or to register, please visit: http://www.conventionalley.org/ . ~Phyllis Morris 2004 Convention Alley Planning Committee Follow the signs to Convention Alley: http://www.conventionalley.org/ http://www.livejournal.com/community/conventionalley/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Convention/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Thu Apr 15 19:44:19 2004 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:44:19 -0000 Subject: Metrication and three legged donkeys (was: Re: POA book differences) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > Eloise wrote: > > > I have to say that metrication is not something I'm wild about. > Yes, it makes calculations easier, but especially in length, it just > doesn't *mean* anything, whereas imperial measures are things > you can relate to. > It's much easier to visualise five feet than a metre and a half. > And of course it's more than twice as easy to lose a pound than it > is to lose a kilo. Though thinking about it, it's also easier to gain a > pound than a kilo. Hmm. ;-) > > > > Hey, I'd be happy with either system, as long as I could work with > just one (well, I'd prefer metric, but I'd settle for imperial). But > working for the Navy, I get the people who seem to realize the > practicality of the metric sytem but are stuck with manuals, > regulations, descriptions, etc. in the imperial system. The result > is I'm stuck using bizarre units like kiloyards (which, in case you > were wondering, is about .56 miles or .9 kilometers). And, of > course, most of the equipment on ships is in terms of nautical miles, > just to make things more fun. > > -Corinth Well, it is possible to have fun inventing your own systems. Something outrageously sexist from about 30 years ago - a quiet afternoon in the lab, bored males, so we put in a few hours working on the 'Helen Index' of female beauty. Can't remember all of it but: 1 Helen, equivalent to a 1000 ships 1 milli-Helen, equivalent to 1 ship - a battleship 1 micro-Helen, reminiscent of an inflatable dingy 1 femto-Helen, reminds me of a rubber duck It went the other way, too, through mega-Helen, giga-Helen up to 1 tera-Helen, equivalent to a Treasure Fleet (no confirmed sightings) Wish I could remember the rest, then I could transpose it to Imperial. Hmm. What's 2.54 dingies? Or if I multiply by 0.001296 I get it in Scruples - something I've never had before. Kneasy From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 22:52:55 2004 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:52:55 -0000 Subject: And the winner is... Dumbledore! Message-ID: I'm sorry if you've all been through this already, but the "Fun with Google" topic made me remember the game my whole college played for days bout a month or two ago. It's called "googlefight", and can be found, surprise-surprise, at www.googlefight.com. You enter two keywords, and the program races them through google. The one with the more results is the winner. And I am proud to tell you that Dumbledore won clean against Voldemort by a good sixty thousand! Some good news for the Wizarding World at last. 283,000 to 217,000, to be exact. I also recommend for future fights: Marx vs capitalism proletariat vs bourgoisie oestrogen vs testosterone Keynes vs Friedman Moses vs Buddha Or whatever you fancy... :) Love, Alice PS: Marx wins clean, and so does Budapest. Shame about poor Keynes, though... From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 22:59:42 2004 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:59:42 -0000 Subject: Merlin-vs-Dumbledor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, neonsister at a... wrote: > And what if Gandalf joined in and we had an all-out wizard brawl?! > > hee hee hee.... > > Tracy *amused by the mental picture* > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "moonlightwolf676" > wrote: > > If Dumbledor and Merlin got into a fight, who would win? > > I think it will be Dumbledor. But, I guess its just me being a HP > > fanatic... The results are: 1) Merlin 2) Gandalf 3) Dumbledore But that's only according to Googlefight - see my mail from about five minutes ago! :) Love, Alice From v-tregan at microsoft.com Thu Apr 15 23:17:25 2004 From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:17:25 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] And the winner is... Dumbledore! Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E1526063D@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, www.googlefight.com. [...] And I am proud to tell you that Dumbledore won clean against Voldemort Definitely don't do jesus vs. "Harry Potter" I'm reminded of the John Lennon quote. Cheers, Dumbledad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From siskiou at msn.com Thu Apr 15 23:29:23 2004 From: siskiou at msn.com (Susanne) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:29:23 -0000 Subject: new poster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > He never does that in the movies, and I never imagine Harry does that, > either. Does it bug anybody else, or am I the only one? :P No, you are not the only one. I think it's Dan's new "take charge" look ;) > > Annemehr > who would like those posters if it wasn't for that, even though they > look overly airbrushed, and who isn't even mentioning Rupert Grint's > usual expression... I find that all three of them have a "usual" expression. It's just that RG got saddled with the worried look, unfortunately :( Susanne From annemehr at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 01:51:59 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:51:59 -0000 Subject: Metrication and three legged donkeys (was: Re: POA book differences) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" wrote: > Well, it is possible to have fun inventing your own systems. > Something outrageously sexist from about 30 years ago - a quiet > afternoon in the lab, bored males, so we put in a few hours > working on the 'Helen Index' of female beauty. Heh! You are *such* guys! Still, nothing wrong with appreciating beauty where ever you can find it... > > Can't remember all of it but: > > 1 Helen, equivalent to a 1000 ships > 1 milli-Helen, equivalent to 1 ship - a battleship > 1 micro-Helen, reminiscent of an inflatable dingy > 1 femto-Helen, reminds me of a rubber duck > > It went the other way, too, through mega-Helen, giga-Helen up to > 1 tera-Helen, equivalent to a Treasure Fleet (no confirmed sightings) That reminds me of something slightly different, but equally "sexist" -- the mnemonic for remembering the color-coding on resistors. The author's name is lost in time, but it goes: Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly And the initial letters remind you that stripes of these colors: Black, Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violet, Gold, White stand for the digits zero through nine (or the other way, I forget). I imagine the mnemonic would have been "corrected" by now, except I think they just stamp the numeric values of Ohms on the resistors these days. > > Wish I could remember the rest, then I could transpose it to Imperial. > Hmm. What's 2.54 dingies? Or if I multiply by 0.001296 I get it in > Scruples - something I've never had before. > > Kneasy I think your conversion factor is backwards. If a scruple is tiny, you can't have 0.001296 Scruples/Dinghy -- it must be Dinghies/Scruple, so you'd have to divide. Didn't they teach you to always write out your units and cancel properly? Or, was this a Psych lab you were hanging out in? Annemehr who, as a physics major in college, had a *lot* of male science and engineering classmates, and liking them very much, married one; and who adores the '60s engineers in the "Apollo 13" movie From naama2486 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 09:08:44 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:08:44 -0000 Subject: HP speech Message-ID: Hello everyone! Yesterday I got to make a speech about Harry Potter and I mentioned the group a lot! I also got them all convinced that Snape is a vampire and couldn't believe it actually worked. You know, with the right attitude, you could make almost anyone interested in HP :) Just thought I'd share... --Amanar From v-tregan at microsoft.com Fri Apr 16 09:14:32 2004 From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:14:32 -0000 Subject: HP speech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Anamar, I also got them all convinced that Snape is a vampire and couldn't believe it actually worked. Good work - I'm still half convinced. How did you get around JKR's statement in the web chat: Megan: Is there a link between Snape and vampires? JK Rowling replies -> Erm... I don't think so. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/JKRWorldBookDay2004.html http://tinyurl.com/2suex Cheers, Dumbledad. From naama2486 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 09:40:26 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:40:26 -0000 Subject: HP speech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > Hi Anamar, > > I also got them all convinced that Snape is a vampire and > couldn't believe it actually worked. > > Good work - I'm still half convinced. Thanks! I don't think he would ever be completely non-vampire in my mind's eye... > How did you get around JKR's > statement in the web chat: > > Megan: Is there a link between Snape and vampires? > JK Rowling replies -> Erm... I don't think so. > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/JKRWorldBookDay2004.html > http://tinyurl.com/2suex > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad. Well, they didn't do their homework- they didn't know about the webchat. So very conveniently I "forgot" that little detail :D I think people here should try talking about HP too (to give a speech, I mean) - it felt so good! --Amanar From kcawte at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 16 09:44:04 2004 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:44:04 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] And the winner is... Dumbledore! References: Message-ID: <001501c42397$5d7fb1a0$bcde6251@kathryn> wow - turns out the Beatles *aren't* more popular than Jesus, but it's a close run thing. :) Harry Potter however is, although that may be subject to change because I did the fight twice and Harry jumped by several hundred points in the few minutes in between K From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 16 10:58:24 2004 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:58:24 -0000 Subject: HP speech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anamar wrote: > Yesterday I got to make a speech about Harry Potter and I mentioned > the group a lot! Alice: Well, I got to talk about Harry Potter for money... :) I have an English student, who's 18 and is applying to a university here in Budapest to study English as his major. He wanted to speak to someone who was actually British to improve his conversation and eventually found me. Anyway, he has just come 9th in THE national competition of high school students (in the category of English, of course), which means he doesn't need to do any entrance exam for the university course - the first ten people from the competition are in automatically, if they want. So one of the articles he had to read for the competition was on Harry Potter (and why adults read it), so we sat on the bank of the Danube in the wind for an hour and discussed it all in beautiful recieved pronunciation. And I got payed well for my efforts. :) Alice From naama2486 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 11:07:24 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:07:24 -0000 Subject: HP speech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Alice: > Well, I got to talk about Harry Potter for money... :) I have an > English student, who's 18 and is applying to a university here in > Budapest to study English as his major. He wanted to speak to someone > who was actually British to improve his conversation and eventually > found me. Anyway, he has just come 9th in THE national competition of > high school students (in the category of English, of course), which > means he doesn't need to do any entrance exam for the university > course - the first ten people from the competition are in > automatically, if they want. So one of the articles he had to read > for the competition was on Harry Potter (and why adults read it), > so we sat on the bank of the Danube in the wind for an hour and > discussed it all in beautiful recieved pronunciation. And I got > payed well for my efforts. :) > Alice Do you think you could post that article here? It sounds very interesting! I really envy you now- doing something you love *and* getting paid for it is not something most people are able to get (mine was a voluntary speech, BTW). --Amanar From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Fri Apr 16 16:33:12 2004 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:33:12 -0000 Subject: Metrication and three legged donkeys (was: Re: POA book differences) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > > > Wish I could remember the rest, then I could transpose it to Imperial. > > Hmm. What's 2.54 dingies? Or if I multiply by 0.001296 I get it in > > Scruples - something I've never had before. > > > > Kneasy > > I think your conversion factor is backwards. If a scruple is tiny, > you can't have 0.001296 Scruples/Dinghy -- it must be > Dinghies/Scruple, so you'd have to divide. Didn't they teach you to > always write out your units and cancel properly? Or, was this a > Psych lab you were hanging out in? > > Annemehr Psych? The only times I psych is when I play bridge. You're not the only one to question my maths, the Inland Revenue do too. Despite the tech/sci background I still like to use Imperial in real life; Centigrade might be temperature, but Fahrenheit is weather. Metres are length but miles are distance. And it's possible to really upset shop managers by converting decimal prices back to old ?.s.d. and complaining bitterly about profiteering. It invariably sets off any old dear in the sho= p too. Why be difficult when with a little effort you can be downright impossible?= Kneasy From sydenmill at msn.com Fri Apr 16 18:05:00 2004 From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:05:00 -0000 Subject: Metrication and three legged donkeys (was: Re: POA book differences) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > bboy_mn: > Most unfortunately, (some) British people have the nasty habit of > giving body weigh in Stones, and believe me it very difficult to > gain or lose a Stone (14 pounds). Even though I only weigh 11.4 > stones, I wouldn't mind dropping one, unfortunately, at my age it > would drop from all the wrong places. > bboy_mn Bohcoo, floating in from oblivion, to reply: Oh-h-h-h. So, when someone says, "That guy's got some stones..." it means they are calling him fat? ;) Boo-coo From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 16 18:24:52 2004 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:24:52 -0000 Subject: HP speech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Do you think you could post that article here? It sounds very > interesting! > > I really envy you now- doing something you love *and* getting paid > for it is not something most people are able to get (mine was a > voluntary speech, BTW). > > --Amanar Alice: The article is in my room at my college somewhere in the enormous mess I left for my roommates to admire while I was away - I'm actually at home now, studying for my maths complex exam. When I get back I'll see where it came from, something like bbc.com or some sort of British magazine... I can't remember. Nothing new in it, really, but all HP stuff is worth a look. :) About envying me, well there are drawbacks to the guy finishing so well in the competition - I have thus lost the job: since there is no entrance exam in July for him to prepare for, his parents are refusing to pay for him to continue his lessons with me. But he said I could now double my fee, because having a student who did so well in the competition is a good reference. Ah well. Until I find someone new I'll just have to starve, or even worse: cut down on the alcohol and the buying of shoes. :) Although one could actually live off one's fellow college students for months, always asking someone else for dinner or going through a different room's fridge. Not very ethical, but accepted if one is poor - there are about 60 of us living together and that's enough people to make sure the couple of poor guys don't go hungry. :) Been ranting again... fact is, I've split up with boyfriend (or rather, boyfriend has casually split up with me, after having ignored me increasingly for the past month), and when I'm all lovesick and can't face up to my real life, I start ranting on forums/mailing lists. Beware... Love, Alice (single) From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Sat Apr 17 13:53:59 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:53:59 -0000 Subject: Harry in "The DaVinci Code" Message-ID: I have a vague feeling this quote has floated around this list before, but since I just now encountered it first hand (I'm reading The DaVinci Code--bestseller by Dan Brown--as of yesterday) and I thought it funny, I'll share it again: "Throughout history, the Holy Grail has been the most special." Langdon grinned. "Now you know why." Faukman was shaking his head."But with all these books written about it, why isn't this theory more widely known?" "These books can't possibly compete with centuries of established history, especially when that history is endorsed by the ultimate bestseller of all time." Faukman's eyes went wide. "Don't tell me Harry Potter is actually about the Holy Grail." "I was referring to the Bible." Faukman cringed. "I knew that." Though I woldn't say HP is about the Holy GRail, "Faukman" isn't altogether off the mark since the "goblet of fire" is described in a way that at least made me think of the holy grail, as though it were making a cameo appearance in HP... :-) Sophia From confusedandpronetowander at hotmail.com Sat Apr 17 19:07:10 2004 From: confusedandpronetowander at hotmail.com (BelleDameSansMerci) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:07:10 -0000 Subject: HP speech/boys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alice- I feel your pain. I just recently broke up with my boyfriend...or rather he decided that he is having too many personal problems to deal with a relationship right now. The thing is, he still talks to me, and we do things together- but then I get accused of keeping tabs on him or smothering him, which is definitely not the case at all. Grr....it seems that I just can't win with this one. Apparently everything I do or say is wrong, and upsets him in some way, and it's to the point where I can't deal with this eggshell crap anymore. I'm trying to channel all my excess energy and pissed-off-edness into my last paper of my undergrad career....and then I get to focus on completing my paper for Convention Alley in Ottawa this summer- I'm one of the presenters. It's just so much fun writing about the Potterverse, that it's no longer considered work. Hope things end up okay :) ~Amber~ -----> off boys forever From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 17 21:14:31 2004 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:14:31 -0000 Subject: HP speech/boys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amber: > Alice- I feel your pain. > > I just recently broke up with my boyfriend...or rather he decided > that he is having too many personal problems to deal with a > relationship right now. The thing is, he still talks to me, and we do > things together- but then I get accused of keeping tabs on him or > smothering him, which is definitely not the case at all. Grr....it > seems that I just can't win with this one. Apparently everything I do > or say is wrong, and upsets him in some way, and it's to the point > where I can't deal with this eggshell crap anymore. > > I'm trying to channel all my excess energy and pissed-off-edness into > my last paper of my undergrad career....and then I get to focus on > completing my paper for Convention Alley in Ottawa this summer- I'm > one of the presenters. It's just so much fun writing about the > Potterverse, that it's no longer considered work. > > Hope things end up okay :) > > ~Amber~ -----> off boys forever That Ottawa thing sounds quite exciting, it makes me feel I'm at the end of the world over here in Europe. One gets over one's "America's a big strict daddy to us all" complex by stubbornly believing that Europe is in fact the middle of everything (how can there be a middle on the surface of a sphere... I really should know better than to say things like that :) ), and Hungary is the heart of Europe, but sometimes the belief crumbles. :))) I'm dreading the day I go back to college after my exam, and meet him in the corridor and suddenly find all my hard getting-over-things work has been in vain and I start asking people for cigarettes that I don't physically need (oh, but phsychologically... yes, I need something to hang on to...), and open my bottle of wine and down it within half an hour and open the next, and slip into the bottomless pool of feeling sorry for myself and planning various spectacular ways of commiting suicide without actually dying, so as to "make him see what he has done", and then wallowing in guilt for having thought such childish and stupid thoughts, and then sobbing that I lo-ho-hove him and can't ha-ha-have him and it's unfa-ha-hair. And next day feeling hungover and wondering exactly how many people saw the whole spectacle the day before and are now gossiping about it madly (our college is famous for (a) inbreeding, as in: everyone has gone out with everyone, (b) gossiping (hardly surprising considering (a)). Having said that, I actually feel all right at THIS precise moment. Amber, maybe the best would be to detach. If there's hope, go for it, but if there isn't, disappear. For one thing, make HIM wonder where you've got to, for another, at least there's a bigger chance you'll stop thinking about it. Agony Aunt Alice has spoken... :) Anyway... I'll stop the rant for now. Love, Boyfriendless From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Apr 17 21:29:02 2004 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Mausi! (belated) Message-ID: <20040417212902.66060.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> *shuffles feet* Er, yes, it's another *belated* birthday. Will iron my fingers once I've finished fighting my dying hard drive and getting this posted. Yesterday's birthday honouree was Mausi/blackgold. Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: blackgold101 at yahoo.com *scatters confetti and fairy dust* I hope your day was magical and filled with fun. Happy Birthday, Mausi! *wanders out to fetch the cake and other goodies* Sheryll the Birthday Elf, kicking computer ===== http://www.conventionalley.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sat Apr 17 23:23:09 2004 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:23:09 +1000 Subject: Harry Potter and the Heir of Ravenclaw In-Reply-To: <20040417212902.66060.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <408248FD.12237.4C585C@localhost> I've been meaning to write this post for nearly a week now, but initially speaking I was too tired, and later was too sick to think about it particularly coherently. This is the normal result of congoing for me - I get very tired due to lack of sleep and then come down with an exotic cold brought in by interstate conventioneers. Last weekend, the Easter long weekend, I attended Conquest, a fairly large Melbourne-based roleplaying convention. Most years I write and run a roleplaying game at Conquest - for the last three years, this game has been based on Harry Potter. In 2002 it was 'Harry Potter and the Deady Choice', in 2003, 'Harry Potter and the Crown of the Warrior Queen', in 2004, this year, it was 'Harry Potter and the Heir of Ravenclaw'. These games are, by far, the most popular I have ever run. Previous games I ran used to get around 12-15 players over the Con - these tend to get 30 or more. I run them in sessions of 4 or 5 players at a time - and from memory, this con, I ran seven sessions. The sessions were *very* enjoyable for me - mostly seeing players do things that I hadn't anticipated - the things the players bring to their characters - and I thought I'd share a couple of anecdotes, seeing you're not allowed to share them at cons here (-8 I can't write them all down, but here are the stand outs that I can recall. All five characters in this game were Ravenclaws - Luna Lovegood, Cho Chang, Michael Corner, Terry Boot, and Roger Davies, just for the record - previous games have used the more core characters. That's been fun - but using these characters gave people a bit more freedom to do what they liked (it also had the advantage that it was easier for people who hadn't read all the books to adapt, because Ravenclaws wouldn't necessarily know everything that has been going on). The game was set in the time period just prior to Harry, Hermione, and Ron starting Fifth Year, up until the day before the Hogsmeade meeting that lead to the formation of Dumbledore's Army. Briefly the characters discover evidence that like Slytherin, Ravenclaw has an 'heir' in the modern world - and set out to identify who that might be. Two of the groups I ran the game for contained children - in one game, I had an 8 year old girl and a 10 year old boy (along with two adult players), and in another - my final session - I ran it for a 14 year old girl, a 13 year old girl, a 10 year old boy, and a 4 year old girl. I love running these games for kids - they get so into them, and I'm also not as self conscious running for kids - so I can really overact. With the last group, when I was playing the sorting hat, declaiming it's annual song, I went into full Shakespearean overacting mode - and literally had two of the kids rolling on the ground laughing - that feels good. Even if, probably because it was the last session of a long con, the kids behaviour left something to be desired - not a major problem seeing it was four kids playing with each other - but if they'd been in a group with adults, I'd have had problems - because adults tend to actually want to stay fairly on plot the whole time, and some get very easily annoyed with kids who just want to play around. I thought the 4 year old might be a problem - running games for kids that young is very challenging. But she was, in fact, the best behaved of all of them. Her father is a serious gamer and she takes gaming very seriously. But her older brother, also playing, decided to smack her in the middle of the game (I actually was worried he'd really hurt her, until in a panic he told her if she stopped crying and didn't tell their father he'd hit her, she could smack him ten times - and she immediately stopped screaming and bawling and with a look of total glee set about battering her brother), and the two older girls decided they would join forces to see if they could break the GM (me). In a three hour session allocated, it took 45 minutes to read through the 5 paragraphs of introductory text - and they only actually made it to Hogwarts half an hour before the session ended (not as bad as one group last year who never managed to get off the Hogwarts Express...) Now - as I said, we had some interesting experiences, as people abandoned all semblance of following the plot and set out on their own paths. That's OK, BTW - roleplaying games should be fluid enough to allow players to do that, and in all cases, I did manage to complete the actual written plot - it's just they did a lot more as well. Now one of the clues I gave the players early on was that they should 'Listen to the hat'. My intention was simply that they should listen to the hats sorting song (taken from Order of the Phoenix) which stressed the importance of unity. Every single group decided that the clue meant they needed to carry on more detailed discussion with the hat. Every single group decided to try and either kidnap the sorting hat, or at least gain some temporary access to it. We had students setting off dungbombs left right and centre to create disturbances. We had others waylaying Filch by asking him some serious questions about janitorial work in the school - Filch was quite flattered to encounter a student who understood the school couldn't possibly run without him. We had groups who fled the halls of Hogwarts pursued by Mrs Norris - the highlight was when Michael Corner and Cho Chang hid in the boys toilets and were observed by the Grey Lady who was very suspicious of students sneaking around like that - and had to convince her that Cho had been called by Michael because there was no paper (-8. We had the wonderful girl playing Luna who got *really* into character and kept telling the others all these various wild stories as if they were fact. One of her stories, supposedly published in the Quibbler, was about the fact that every decade or so, a muggle was accidentally invited into Hogwarts and this was only discovered when the sorting hat was placed on them - and in an effort to prevent word of the wizarding world's existence escaping, the sorting hat promptly ate the student. This was only one of many stories - but it took on a life of its own. The person playing Michael asked for back issues which Luna happily supplied and which Michael gave to the Weasley twins - who posted copies all over the Hogwarts Express. Several first year students arrived in the Great Hall, dripping wet, accompanied by a very confused Professor Grubbly-Plank who couldn't understand why they were so intent on leaping from the boats to escape, Professor McGonnagall was absolutely baffled by the need to physically pick up and carry several first years to the stool to be sorted - and later when the group managed to talk to the sorting hat, the hat was totally baffled as to why this year, the only message he was able to detect in most of the first years minds was 'ohmigodpleasedonteatme'. I had the group where Roger Davies decided he wanted to accelerate the possibility of romance with Cho Chang, and so set out to buy a love potion in Nockturn Alley. Unfortunately the potion he got was incredibly powerful and not quite kosher. That group retired to Terry Boots home after their shopping expedition - Terry is muggle born and they wanted somewhere they were unlikely to be under magical surveillance. Unfortunately, in the game, Terry's parents are slightly disturbed by the magical world - and his inviting a bunch of his school friends home, caused some tensions. It caused even more tensions when Cho drank the 'love potion', and immediately set out to aggressively seduce Roger... end result of all this was the Boots fled their home, horrified at what they assumed was normal wizarding behaviour, and the following day, poor Terry found himself grounded until he went back to school - and the parents weren't too certain about allowing that anyway. Another group sought a painting of Rowena Ravenclaw in the hope they might be able to question it - something I hadn't anticipated. I decided to tell them, Ravenclaw had endowed a pediatrics ward at St Mungos - so they headed off there. I described the ward based on my own experiences in a children's hospital when I was 12 or so - we had a horrible, child-hating nurse in charge of our ward (at least that's the way I remember her - I don't think anyone as horrid as I remember could really have lasted in a children's hospital). I exagerated her ten-fold and put her in charge of this ward at St Mungos - all the kids were under near permanent Silencio and Petrificus Totalus spells. The characters revolted at this - and tried to cause chaos. End result was that three of them wound up residents of the ward until school resumed. (-8 Another incident - the final scenes of the game, involve the characters having to flee a group of deatheaters on the lonely Isle of Drear. The characters arrive there on broomsticks - as do the Death Eaters. The thing is the Death Eaters all have Firebolts. In the case of virtually every group, the players managed to get to the brooms first - and nearly all steal the Firebolts which allows for a fairly rapid escape (not to mention, seriously improves Ravenclaws Quidditch prospects from then on!). In one case, Terry got to the brooms first - not realising they were Firebolts, he decided he needed to destroy them so the Death Eaters couldn't chase anyone. Cho Chang and Roger Davies reaction when they came upon a pile of blazing Firebolts - with Terry looking very pleased at his initiative - was quite impressive and amusing. Terry had nothing to fear from the Death Eaters at that point... but his housemates were another matter. The game honestly went really well - my maps and floorplans of Hogwarts were a hit - which feels really good - and everybody seemed to really enjoy themselves. I'm already semi-committed to running another game next year - at the moment, I'm musing about how a group consisting of James Potter, Sirius Black, Peter Pettigrew, Remus Lupin, Lilly Evans, and Severus Snape might function... (-8 Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From kcawte at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 17 23:53:09 2004 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:53:09 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter and the Heir of Ravenclaw References: <408248FD.12237.4C585C@localhost> Message-ID: <001201c424d7$2356b4b0$bcde6251@kathryn> > > The game honestly went really well - my maps and floorplans of > Hogwarts were a hit - which feels really good - and everybody > seemed to really enjoy themselves. I'm already semi-committed to > running another game next year - at the moment, I'm musing about > how a group consisting of James Potter, Sirius Black, Peter > Pettigrew, Remus Lupin, Lilly Evans, and Severus Snape might > function... (-8 > > > Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought > Shaun Hately Wow that sounds like a great deal of fun. I'm not surprised that your players wandered off the plot - in my experience if the entire group stay on plot and do what you expect they're probably sickening for something :) I've never played in a non-online HP RPG but if someone ran something like that I'd love it. I have played (and run) Middle Earth and Hercules games and I always found that bringing in the 'stars' of the show/book as player characters or npcs really limited things anyway. I don't know that I'd want to deal with kids as young as some of your players though, my hat is definitely off to you, I always had enough trouble with 'adults' (well university students anyway, sometimes I doubted how adult they actually were ) and in a game with magic too! I always hated running those most because it made it more difficult to guess what people might do in any situation (and it's highly frustrating when you need the players to be captured for some reason when they come up with an innovative escape plan you couldn't have bargained for). Have you ever tried any of the Kobolds Ate My Baby rpgs? They're downloadable (I'll try and find a link) and basically players and the gm can score points for certain things (in the case of the gm by killing the players, uh I mean characters obviously - not that I haven't been tempted from time to time) and you get a 'winner' at the end. Players go through several characters in a session and things generally get very amusing. It's a nice game to lighten things up when you've been playing more 'serious' games for a while. K From lupinesque at yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 01:39:51 2004 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:39:51 -0000 Subject: And the winner is... Dumbledore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > oestrogen vs testosterone A goodly number of English speakers spell it "estrogen," so you'll have to try it both ways and add them up. Amy Z From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 18 15:02:45 2004 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 18 Apr 2004 15:02:45 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1082300565.24.49634.m17@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer Time. Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 Hope to see you there! From naama2486 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 16:09:18 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:09:18 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: <1082300565.24.49634.m17@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > Weekly Chat > > Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 > Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) I never manage to get it right! If I'm GMT+02:00, when would the chat start in my time? From przepla at ipartner.com.pl Sun Apr 18 17:57:36 2004 From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:57:36 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4082C190.3060007@ipartner.com.pl> On 18/04/2004 18:09, Amanar wrote : >>Weekly Chat >> >>Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 >>Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) > > > > I never manage to get it right! > If I'm GMT+02:00, when would the chat start in my time? > At 20:00 your local time (and mine too, since I am in CEST - Central European Summer Time). Easiest way is to use info that chat is 7 pm UK time. UK time is GMT in winter and GMT+1 in summer, thus currently you should add one hour to UK time. http://www.timeanddate.com -- for easy conversion of time. -- Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki Do not choose for your wife any woman you would not choose as your friend if she were a man. (Joseph Joubert) From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 11:33:46 2004 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday x 2! Message-ID: <20040419113346.83823.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> *sneaks in quietly, dragging streamers, hoping no one notices that she's just a little late* We may as well make a brunch party of this, so food is on the way! Yesterday's birthday honourees were Kelsey Cartwheel and Claire Carwright. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: kcartwheel at yahoo.com and hecate92 at hotmail.com I hope you both had wonderful days, filled with fun and magic! Happy Birthday, Kelsey! Happy Birthday, Claire! Sheryll the Birthday Elf ===== http://www.conventionalley.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From naama2486 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 11:41:32 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:41:32 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: <4082C190.3060007@ipartner.com.pl> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki wrote: > On 18/04/2004 18:09, Amanar wrote : > >>Weekly Chat > >> > >>Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 > >>Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) > > > > > > > > I never manage to get it right! > > If I'm GMT+02:00, when would the chat start in my time? > > > > At 20:00 your local time (and mine too, since I am in CEST - Central > European Summer Time). > > Easiest way is to use info that chat is 7 pm UK time. UK time is GMT in > winter and GMT+1 in summer, thus currently you should add one hour to UK > time. > > http://www.timeanddate.com -- for easy conversion of time. > > > -- > Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki > Do not choose for your wife any woman you would not choose as your > friend if she were a man. (Joseph Joubert) A very grateful Amanar: Thank you so much! Naturally, I had to leave before 8 p.m. yesterday (my time), so I missed the chat again (Murphy rules, you know). But hopefully I'll get there next week! (connecting to the chat is a different problem...) Hope to see you there, -- Amanar, hoping to see herself there in the first place From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Apr 19 12:28:09 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:28:09 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Naama wrote: > > > If I'm GMT+02:00, when would the chat start in my time? then: > Thank you so much! Naturally, I had to leave before 8 p.m. yesterday > (my time), so I missed the chat again (Murphy rules, you know). Don't you have daylight saving? In which case it would have started at 9 your time. It goes on a while so if you are prepared to stay up late... http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ David, who hardly ever gets to chat From naama_gat at hotmail.com Mon Apr 19 12:38:40 2004 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:38:40 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" wrote: > Naama wrote: > > > > If I'm GMT+02:00, when would the chat start in my time? > > then: > > Thank you so much! Naturally, I had to leave before 8 p.m. > yesterday > > (my time), so I missed the chat again (Murphy rules, you know). > > Don't you have daylight saving? In which case it would have started > at 9 your time. It goes on a while so if you are prepared to stay > up late... > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ > > David, who hardly ever gets to chat Must be some strange Metaphysical vibes going on here... I didn't ask that question, but David somehow sensed that I always get confused about time zones, as well. Naama, who *never* gets to chat (that darned GMT time and all..) From naama2486 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 13:04:06 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:04:06 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "naamagatus" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" > wrote: > > Naama wrote: > > > > > If I'm GMT+02:00, when would the chat start in my time? > > > > then: > > > Thank you so much! Naturally, I had to leave before 8 p.m. > > yesterday > > > (my time), so I missed the chat again (Murphy rules, you know). > > > > Don't you have daylight saving? In which case it would have > started > > at 9 your time. It goes on a while so if you are prepared to stay > > up late... > > > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ > > > > David, who hardly ever gets to chat > > > Must be some strange Metaphysical vibes going on here... I didn't ask > that question, but David somehow sensed that I always get confused > about time zones, as well. > > Naama, who *never* gets to chat (that darned GMT time and all..) Amanar replies: Easily explained, my well-named friend. Though my nick as of late is Amanar, my real name is also Naama. I asked that question, so there you have it. Since David used the Yahoomort way of quoting, my real name showed up! I tried to sign "Naama" a long time ago, but most people confused me with you (I didn't know there was one already on the list) Cheers! -- Amanar, who really likes her nickname, but has to admit she loves her own name better (Naama is just too common *groan*) From naama_gat at hotmail.com Mon Apr 19 13:23:26 2004 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:23:26 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanar" wrote: > > Must be some strange Metaphysical vibes going on here... I didn't > ask > > that question, but David somehow sensed that I always get confused > > about time zones, as well. > > > > Naama, who *never* gets to chat (that darned GMT time and all..) > > Amanar replies: > > Easily explained, my well-named friend. Though my nick as of late is > Amanar, my real name is also Naama. I asked that question, so there > you have it. Since David used the Yahoomort way of quoting, my real > name showed up! > > I tried to sign "Naama" a long time ago, but most people confused me > with you (I didn't know there was one already on the list) > > Cheers! > > -- Amanar, > who really likes her nickname, but has to admit she loves her own > name better (Naama is just too common *groan*) I like it too... It's you then. I remembered seeing another Naama here - or rather at the main list, but thought she had unsubbed. So you metamorphed to Amanar (why the "r", by the way?). Naama isn't that common a name, actually. I find it somewhat strange that there are two of us here. Strange, but nice. Naama, Sr. From naama2486 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 13:43:00 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:43:00 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "naamagatus" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanar" > wrote: > > > Must be some strange Metaphysical vibes going on here... I didn't > > ask > > > that question, but David somehow sensed that I always get > confused > > > about time zones, as well. > > > > > > Naama, who *never* gets to chat (that darned GMT time and all..) > > > > Amanar replies: > > > > Easily explained, my well-named friend. Though my nick as of late > is > > Amanar, my real name is also Naama. I asked that question, so there > > you have it. Since David used the Yahoomort way of quoting, my real > > name showed up! > > > > I tried to sign "Naama" a long time ago, but most people confused > me > > with you (I didn't know there was one already on the list) > > > > Cheers! > > > > -- Amanar, > > who really likes her nickname, but has to admit she loves her own > > name better (Naama is just too common *groan*) > > > I like it too... It's you then. I remembered seeing another Naama > here - or rather at the main list, but thought she had unsubbed. So > you metamorphed to Amanar (why the "r", by the way?). > > Naama isn't that common a name, actually. I find it somewhat strange > that there are two of us here. Strange, but nice. > > > > Naama, Sr. You caught one of its meanings. "Amanar" ('r' included) also happens to be the translation of my full name into Elvish. That's why I like it so much - whichever way you take it, it will always lead you back to the same person :) And it *is* common. I have two cousins named Naama, and I know about four others. And people always seem to have known another Naama before me. So when I found out there was another one on the list, it was more like "I should have known". (No hard feelings, though) -- Amanar (Naama, Jr) From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Apr 19 14:03:52 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:03:52 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Naama 1: > > Must be some strange Metaphysical vibes going on here... I didn't > ask > > that question, but David somehow sensed that I always get confused > > about time zones, as well. > > > > Naama, who *never* gets to chat (that darned GMT time and all..) Amanar replies: > > Easily explained, my well-named friend. Though my nick as of late is > Amanar, my real name is also Naama. I asked that question, so there > you have it. Since David used the Yahoomort way of quoting, my real > name showed up! > > I tried to sign "Naama" a long time ago, but most people confused me > with you (I didn't know there was one already on the list) and that's what happened here - my apologies to you both. That's why I asked about Daylight Saving, because I assumed Amanar must be in Israel, which is on DST according to the link I gave. David From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 15:27:51 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:27:51 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Amanar replies: [...] > > I tried to sign "Naama" a long time ago, but most people confused > me > > with you (I didn't know there was one already on the list) > > > > Cheers! > > > > -- Amanar, > > who really likes her nickname, but has to admit she loves her own > > name better (Naama is just too common *groan*) > Naama: > I like it too... It's you then. I remembered seeing another Naama > here - or rather at the main list, but thought she had unsubbed. So > you metamorphed to Amanar (why the "r", by the way?). > > Naama isn't that common a name, actually. I find it somewhat strange > that there are two of us here. Strange, but nice. > Just curious: is your name any relation to the name "Naomi"? I never knew anyone called Naama before HPfGU, but I did know two Naomis when I was a child; one was Israeli but I'd see her whenever she visited the States in the summer during the '60s. Annemehr who signed herself "Anne" very briefly early on, but quickly had to change that to avoid confusion From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 19 19:07:48 2004 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:07:48 -0000 Subject: Names was:Re: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alice: I wasn't even sure Naama (or Anamar) was your real name(s), I seem to be hopelessly out-of-date concerning names. I still think people are called Katherine and Julia and, well, Alice. I sort of got myself to believe that in America people are called whatever comes into their parents heads, since we had a discussion on names here not so long ago, and everyone said things like "I liked the name xyz, but I already knew someone called that, so I put a w at the end and then varied the spelling, so I now have a child named xyezw." I found that amazing. I think I might have written this here already, but I have a book on "Fantastic Facts", and one of them is "In France up to the 1950s (or something) parents had to choose a name for their child from a list approved by the state." I could hardly stop laughing, because actually in Hungary it still works that way. People tend to think "normal" is what they grew up in, so I think the list-thing is normal. Apart from anything else, it saves a lot of people from spending a lifetime spelling out their name. I should know how tiresome that is, living with a Scottish surname in Hungary, to top it all one that has a capital letter in the middle of it (it's a "Mc" one). I have absolutely and completely given up trying to get my name spelt properly by anyone else except my boyfriends. Boyfriends should know how to spell their girlfriend's name. But other people... it's a fruitless and futile battle... Alice (glad she has no second names to bother with) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > > > Amanar replies: > [...] > > > I tried to sign "Naama" a long time ago, but most people confused > > me > > > with you (I didn't know there was one already on the list) > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > -- Amanar, > > > who really likes her nickname, but has to admit she loves her own > > > name better (Naama is just too common *groan*) > > > Naama: > > I like it too... It's you then. I remembered seeing another Naama > > here - or rather at the main list, but thought she had unsubbed. So > > you metamorphed to Amanar (why the "r", by the way?). > > > > Naama isn't that common a name, actually. I find it somewhat strange > > that there are two of us here. Strange, but nice. > > > > Just curious: is your name any relation to the name "Naomi"? I never > knew anyone called Naama before HPfGU, but I did know two Naomis when > I was a child; one was Israeli but I'd see her whenever she visited > the States in the summer during the '60s. > > Annemehr > who signed herself "Anne" very briefly early on, but quickly had to > change that to avoid confusion From lhuntley at fandm.edu Mon Apr 19 21:41:07 2004 From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:41:07 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <441FA0F6-924A-11D8-A0E8-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu> > Naama: >> I like it too... It's you then. I remembered seeing another Naama >> here - or rather at the main list, but thought she had unsubbed. So >> you metamorphed to Amanar (why the "r", by the way?). >> >> Naama isn't that common a name, actually. I find it somewhat strange >> that there are two of us here. Strange, but nice. One of my fellow Physics majors here is named Naama, but everyone calls her Aba. Hrm . . . I can't think of any other Naama's though -- perhaps it's only common in certain regions? > Annemehr > who signed herself "Anne" very briefly early on, but quickly had to > change that to avoid confusion Laura (who, despite the fact that there are probably 50 other "Laura"'s on the list, is still stubbornly signing herself as such.) From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 02:59:59 2004 From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (hphgrwlca) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:59:59 -0000 Subject: sorry, but back to the limericks Message-ID: Hello all, delurking to post a limerick: Harry P chased Dudley one night When dementors gave them quite a fright Dudley cried, "Save us!" And Harry's Patronus Made him face Wizengamot's bite. I have to enter a poem or something to a contest because I'm pledging for a pre-law organization, and this was the first thing I came up with. Sorry to bring up the limerick thing again, but I couldn't resist. *smiles sheepishly* Hugs, Christine From miss_megan at bigpond.com Tue Apr 20 13:39:57 2004 From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:39:57 +1000 Subject: the earth house/jeanne duprau Message-ID: Hi all Long time, no posting. Have any other HPFGUer's read this book? It seems like a book that other HPFGUers might have come across. It's a book about a woman discovering zen buddism, building a house and living through the experience of her partner dying and after that time. I've read it many times over the last 10 year so it's had a big impact on me. I found it very moving but no one around me is at all interested in it and I would love someone to talk about it. Not sure what I want to say! - always a good start - but would be interested in other people's reactions etc. storm, writing in short hand because she should be in bed and asleep. It's too late here. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004 From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Tue Apr 20 13:45:39 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:45:39 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Alice: >Apart from anything else, it saves a lot of people from spending a lifetime > spelling out their name. I should know how tiresome that is, living > with a Scottish surname in Hungary, to top it all one that has a > capital letter in the middle of it (it's a "Mc" one). I have > absolutely and completely given up trying to get my name spelt > properly by anyone else except my boyfriends. > > I hear you. I live in Sweden with a Scottish Mc-name. Although Sweden is a somewhat anglified country and people nowadays know their way around english spelling (at least in my generation), it still surprises me when someone behind a counter, say, takes my name down without asking how it's spelled. Whi?le growing up, I quickly learned to spell out my surname, and got used to responding to my first name only at the denstist, hospital or doctor's office: Whenever the nurse came into the waiting room and said "Sophia.."followed by a puzzled, pregnant pause, I'd know she meant me. Sophia From saitaina at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 20 15:41:48 2004 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:41:48 -0700 Subject: Heros References: Message-ID: <009d01c426ed$fe82b4e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Hey loves- I need some help for a story, I need the name (and physical descriptions there of) of mythical or legendary heroes. I already have, Hercules, Arthur/Lancelot and one other I can't remember, but I need enough to fill a room, so any you can think of would be helpful. Thanks! Saitaina **** Inside my mind that tiny little voice that tells me when I'm being stupid is flipping right out. You do not pin the princess of all of Hyrule up against a wall and threaten her. Unfortunately I have this awful habit of ignoring that little voice . . . http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Apr 20 16:38:02 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:38:02 -0000 Subject: Heros In-Reply-To: <009d01c426ed$fe82b4e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: Saity wrote: > Hey loves- > > I need some help for a story, I need the name > (and physical descriptions there of) of > mythical or legendary heroes. > > I already have, Hercules, Arthur/Lancelot and > one other I can't remember, but I need enough > to fill a room, so any you can think of would > be helpful. Thanks! Off the top of my head Greek: Odysseus, Perseus, Achilles, Ajax, and many more from the Iliad Persian: Rustem, Sohrab Arab: Sinbad, Ali Baba, Aladdin and many more from the Arabian Nights Latin: Aeneas, Romulus & Remus Irish: Finn McCool, Cucullin (I will be corrected on spelling on these) English: Galahad, Percivale, Tristram, Gawain etc from the Round Table; Robin Hood, Hereward the Wake; French: Roland and Oliver Australian: Ned Kelly Not much on appearance, I'm afraid - mythical and legendary people are notoriously difficult to capture on camera; Ned Kelly dressed in plate metal at one point. Robin Hood wore Lincoln Green. All others in appropriate ethnic costume. However, Some talk of Alexander, and some of Hercules Of Hector and Lysander, and such great names as these. But of all the world's great heroes, there's none that can compare With a tow, row, row, row, row, row, to the British Grenadier. David From annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 20 18:21:36 2004 From: annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk (annelilucas) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:21:36 -0000 Subject: Heros In-Reply-To: <009d01c426ed$fe82b4e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: Saitaina: > I need some help for a story, I need the name > (and physical descriptions there of) of > mythical or legendary heroes. > > I already have, Hercules, Arthur/Lancelot and > one other I can't remember, but I need enough > to fill a room, so any you can think of would > be helpful. Thanks! Some celtic ones are: Cuchulainn, the champion of Ireland Cathbad the Druid Finn MacCool, an Irish prophet, warrior and healer Br?n the Blessed, the king of Wales/Britain Gwynn ap Nudd, Mythical king of Annfwn Don't have any physical descriptions though, sorry. Anneli From saitaina at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 20 18:38:41 2004 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:38:41 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Heros References: Message-ID: <00b901c42706$b4dd3720$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Thank you, David, Anneli for what you gave me. But I just hit a small snag. I said Heroes but I forgot one character whom I now need a name for. I need a woman who is equal to being called a Hero. Am tempted by Joan of Ark but I'm wondering if there's any other women that I could use (seems rather odd to fill the room just with men). My brain seems to have died considering I used to know these things. Saitaina **** Inside my mind that tiny little voice that tells me when I'm being stupid is flipping right out. You do not pin the princess of all of Hyrule up against a wall and threaten her. Unfortunately I have this awful habit of ignoring that little voice . . . http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." From mphunt at sprintmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:36:57 2004 From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:36:57 -0000 Subject: Heros In-Reply-To: <00b901c42706$b4dd3720$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: Saitaina: > Thank you, David, Anneli for what you gave > me. > > But I just hit a small snag. I said Heroes > but I forgot one character whom I now need a > name for. I need a woman who is equal to > being called a Hero. Am tempted by Joan of > Ark but I'm wondering if there's any other > women that I could use (seems rather odd to > fill the room just with men). My brain seems > to have died considering I used to know these > things. Tcy: How about: Aphrodite (Greek goddess of love) Athena Helen of Troy Mulan (legendary Chinese warrior - not necessarily of Disney fame) Or, try this link--it has tons of info on historical women (RL and otherwise): http://womenshistory.about.com/ good luck! Tcy From lhuntley at fandm.edu Tue Apr 20 21:39:29 2004 From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:39:29 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Heros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <344FF42C-9313-11D8-A0E8-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu> > Saitaina: >> Thank you, David, Anneli for what you gave >> me. >> >> But I just hit a small snag. I said Heroes >> but I forgot one character whom I now need a >> name for. I need a woman who is equal to >> being called a Hero. Am tempted by Joan of >> Ark but I'm wondering if there's any other >> women that I could use (seems rather odd to >> fill the room just with men). My brain seems >> to have died considering I used to know these >> things. > > Tcy: > How about: > Aphrodite (Greek goddess of love) > Athena > Helen of Troy > Mulan (legendary Chinese warrior - not necessarily of Disney fame) Do Aphrodite and Helen really count as *heroes*, per se? I mean, Aphrodite is generally either depicted as soft and feminine or capricious and blood-thirsty (or some combination thereof), and Helen -- well, as far as I can remember, she spent most of her time getting raped and carted around from country to country by various men. The problem, of course, is that there just *aren't* that many mythic women heroes (at least, not many that weren't ignored entirely by the men who recorded the myths we have today). I remember Boccaccio *cough*sexist*cough* having some decent ones in DE MULIERIBUS CLARIS, but you had to really look for 'em. HINT: the more he accuses them of having sex with their sons, the better they are, in general. I don't have the book handy, but I do remember a few names from it -- Zenobia, Agrippina, Semiramis, Libya, Sophonisba . . . Oh, I know I'm forgetting someone important . . . Oh well . . . Of course, in the Greek Goddess vein there's always Artemis, who I think could even be considered heroic in the traditional shooting-things sense. There's also Norse Mythology, which I know even *less* about than I do of classical mythology, but it seems like the Valkyries might count as "heroes." Ooo . . . the Amazons were kind of heroic, weren't they? *gives up searches up a table of contents of De Mulieribus Claris* Marpesia and Lampedo were their queens -- whole lotta avenging and conquering going on there. How much more hero-y can you get? Laura From saitaina at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 20 22:00:21 2004 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:00:21 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Heros References: <344FF42C-9313-11D8-A0E8-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu> Message-ID: <015c01c42722$e0f15460$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Laura wrote: Well, technically the Greek Goddess can't be counted as heroes in the fact that they are, well, Goddesses. I was rather looking for mortals who ended up legends. I went with Mulan (even though I never did end up actually naming her...). Thanks for all your guys' suggestions, it helped me flesh out the scene to know who was saying what, even if I never named them specifically in the story. *many hugs* Saitaina **** Inside my mind that tiny little voice that tells me when I'm being stupid is flipping right out. You do not pin the princess of all of Hyrule up against a wall and threaten her. Unfortunately I have this awful habit of ignoring that little voice . . . http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 01:27:29 2004 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:27:29 -0000 Subject: Heros In-Reply-To: <00b901c42706$b4dd3720$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" wrote: I just hit a small snag. I said Heroes > but I forgot one character whom I now need a > name for. I need a woman who is equal to > being called a Hero. Am tempted by Joan of > Ark but I'm wondering if there's any other > women that I could use (seems rather odd to > fill the room just with men). My brain seems > to have died considering I used to know these > things. > > Saitaina How about Hippolyta, queen of the Amazons? Boudicea of the Angles Catherine the Great of Russia Haggridd From eloiseherisson at aol.com Wed Apr 21 11:12:14 2004 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:12:14 EDT Subject: Heros (or rather, heroines) Message-ID: <4e.2a8b7643.2db7b10e@aol.com> Haggridd: > How about Hippolyta, queen of the Amazons? > Boudicea of the Angles > Catherine the Great of Russia Boudicea of the Angles?? Methinks thy time line is confused. ;-) Boadicea (Boudicca) was queen of the Iceni, an Iron Age tribe, centuries before the Angles arrived in Britain. She fought the Roman invaders; the Angles arrived at the end of the Roman occupation bringing with them their famous Anglo-Saxon attitudes (at least according to Sellars and Yeatman). Boudicca certainly had attitude, but it wasn't Anglo-Saxon. ~Eloise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From finwitch at yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 11:39:45 2004 From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:39:45 -0000 Subject: Heros In-Reply-To: <344FF42C-9313-11D8-A0E8-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu> Message-ID: A woman as the hero? How about Xena the Warrior Princess? Jeanne d'Arc, yes. Then there's Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time - where, although you get three boys as ta'veren (elements of prophecy) I'd not say that the efforts of the girls are any less heroic. Nynaeve, Elayne, Min, Fayle... And Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth - I'd say that Kahlan is pretty much equal to Richard. -- Finwitch From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Wed Apr 21 19:26:02 2004 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:26:02 -0000 Subject: Heros (or rather, heroines) In-Reply-To: <4e.2a8b7643.2db7b10e@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote: > Haggridd: > > How about > Boudicea of the Angles?? Methinks thy time line is confused. ;-) > Boadicea (Boudicca) was queen of the Iceni, an Iron Age tribe, centuries > before the Angles arrived in Britain. She fought the Roman invaders; the Angles > arrived at the end of the Roman occupation bringing with them their famous > Anglo-Saxon attitudes (at least according to Sellars and Yeatman). Boudicca > certainly had attitude, but it wasn't Anglo-Saxon. > ~Eloise > You're right; I'm wrong. Boudicca (many spellings) was indeed queen of the celtic Iceni, and opposed the Romans. Haggridd the Abashed From naama_gat at hotmail.com Thu Apr 22 10:41:58 2004 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:41:58 -0000 Subject: Names (was Re: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Combining here a few posts here: Alice: >I wasn't even sure Naama (or Anamar) was your real name(s), I seem >to be hopelessly out-of-date concerning names. I still think >people are called Katherine and Julia and, well, Alice. Laura: >One of my fellow Physics majors here is named Naama, but everyone >calls her Aba. Hrm . . . I can't think of any other Naama's though >- - perhaps it's only common in certain regions? Naama: I wouldn't have thought that any American is called Naama. It's an Israeli name. Possibly your fellow student is originally from Israel, or has Israeli parents? Annemehr: >Just curious: is your name any relation to the name "Naomi"? I >never knew anyone called Naama before HPfGU, but I did know two >Naomis when I was a child; one was Israeli but I'd see her >whenever she visited the States in the summer during the '60s. Naama: I'm not an expert on semitic languages, but I'm pretty certain that both names derive from the n-a-m root, the basic meaning of which is pleasant. Both are Biblical names, by the way, although Naomi, as one of the main characters of Ruth, is much more known. Naama (1st) From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 22 11:34:04 2004 From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:34:04 -0000 Subject: Names (was Re: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Naama: > Both are Biblical names, by the way, although Naomi, as one > of the main characters of Ruth, is much more known. Alice: And so it is! My dictionary of the Bible says: Naamah: 1. Daughter of Lamech (Gen 4, 22). 2. Wife of Solomon and mother of Rehoboam (1 Kings 14, 21). 3. Town in Judah (Josh. 15, 41). I looked it up in my Hungarian Bible (the one I read, the original translation from fifteen-something-or-other), and the name mentioned in Genesis is "Nahama", in 1 Kings "Naama" and the town in Judah also "Naama". I wonder why some Biblical names become popular and others don't. There are many Jewish people living in Hungary, and they almost all have Biblical names (from the Old Testament, of course), but they only choose from a limited number. Also some Jewish names have become extremely popular among non-Jewish people too, like Eszter (Esther) or D?niel (Daniel). Love, Alice From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Apr 22 21:08:56 2004 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine! Message-ID: <20040422210856.90237.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> *puts the finishing touches on the decorations and flings confetti with wild abandon* You, over there, can you help me get the cake in here? *exits with reluctant volunteer and returns with a huge chocolate cake* Okay, now we're ready for a party! Today's birthday honouree is Catherine. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk I hope you day is filled with fun, magic and the company of good friends. Happy Birthday, Catherine! Sheryll the Birthday Elf P.S. I tried to send Alan Rickman over, but he kept insisting he was busy. ===== http://www.conventionalley.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From naama2486 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 07:43:42 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:43:42 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Just curious: is your name any relation to the name "Naomi"? I never > knew anyone called Naama before HPfGU, but I did know two Naomis when > I was a child; one was Israeli but I'd see her whenever she visited > the States in the summer during the '60s. > > Annemehr > who signed herself "Anne" very briefly early on, but quickly had to > change that to avoid confusion Well, the two names have indeed the same meaning, or at least very similar ones. But they are not the same; it's not like, say, Jo and Joanne which you could say are the same name. One is not the nickname for the other. Hope it makes sense, Na-Ama-nar :P From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 23 08:14:31 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:14:31 -0000 Subject: Israeli names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Naama (not Anamar!) wrote: > I wouldn't have thought that any American is called Naama. It's an > Israeli name. Possibly your fellow student is originally from Israel, > or has Israeli parents? What exactly is an Israeli name? Are there distinctively Israeli names, as opposed to Jewish ones? If so, whence do they come? I imagine that the Arab (and other long-standing such as Armenian) population of Israel don't think of their names as Israeli. David (a name chosen for me in part because it was regarded as both English and Danish) From nkafkafi at yahoo.com Sat Apr 24 02:28:38 2004 From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:28:38 -0000 Subject: Israeli names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Naama (not Anamar!) wrote: > > > I wouldn't have thought that any American is called Naama. It's an > > Israeli name. Possibly your fellow student is originally from > Israel, > > or has Israeli parents? > David wrote: > What exactly is an Israeli name? Are there distinctively Israeli > names, as opposed to Jewish ones? If so, whence do they come? > Neri explains: Jewish names are mostly biblical names, or names in the language of the country where the specific jew lives. During the 2000 years of "Diaspora", Hebrew had become practically a dead language, used only for religious ceremonies and studies (much like Latin). A very important part of the Zionist revolution was to reinstate Hebrew as a spoken language, and adapt it to modern times. This has included also many new Hebrew names that were rarely or never used before. Some of them are biblical names that for some reasons were not used by jews in the Diaspora, such as Evyatar (a highest priest during king David's time), Omri (one of the kings of Israel) or my own name Neri (same as Ner, the father of Abner the war leader). Many names are after places in Israel, celebrating the return to the homeland, such as Kineret (the biblical name for the Sea of Galil), Yardena (a girl's name derived from "Yarden" - the Jorden river), Sharon (a region to the north of Tel Aviv). Some new names are just Hebrew words that have some symbolic meaning or simply a nice sound: Einat (a spring), Shachar (dawn), Doron (a present). All the names above are purely "Israeli" names. You won't find them on any non-israeli jew around the world. Naama is a biblical name. I think she was the mother of one of the kings of Judea (can't remember whom offhand). As "naamagatus" wrote, it is of the same root as Naomi, both meaning pleasant or pleasing. The name is certainly used in Israel today. In fact my first girlfriend in highschool was called Naama, which is why I like the name and probably why I bother to write this long explanation 8-) but I think this name was very rarely used by jews through most history, perhaps because the original Naama was not a jew but an ammonites. The Ammonites were a related Semitic people that was sometimes at war with the Judea and Israeli kingdoms. Hope this clarifies things, Neri From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 24 19:20:15 2004 From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:20:15 -0000 Subject: Borderline chocolate experience Message-ID: Does anyone know if the Aztecs had a deity of chocolate and if he/she has a temple where I can present burnt offerings? Nirvana was never this close. Today I used the last of a gift certificate (belated birthday present last year) on 85 % and 99 % cocoa content chocolate bars (not an affiliate of the Swiss company that makes it.) I wouldn't be surprised if the mere sight of the stuff scares avay Dementors. Milk chocolate is for children. :-) Oddly enough the one with LESS cocoa solids feels MORE bitter in the mouth. I wonder if it is the higher sugar content that accentuates it. Just had to share. Alshain, on an endorphine high. From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Sun Apr 25 00:47:05 2004 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:47:05 -0000 Subject: Borderline chocolate experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alshainofthenorth" wrote: > Does anyone know if the Aztecs had a deity of chocolate and if he/she > has a temple where I can present burnt offerings? > > Alshain, on an endorphine high. There are a number of chocolate gods and goddesses: The Aztecs worshipped Youcnbytwobarsforanickl (but prices were lower then) Hersheba, whose temple is in Pennsylvania; Cadbury, the chocolate egg-goddess; Lindt, High god of Cocoa and let us not forget the divine Lady Godiva, who gave us the cordial raspberry (YUMM!) Haggridd, seeker after chocolate wisdom From confusedandpronetowander at hotmail.com Sun Apr 25 01:13:01 2004 From: confusedandpronetowander at hotmail.com (BelleDameSansMerci) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:13:01 -0000 Subject: names/hungary Message-ID: Well...my last name is Hungarian (my grandfather was from Homuk), and I really don't find my last name all that complicated either...yet I often have the same issue as Sophia. In the first few classes of the semester they always go through the list of students. When they come to my name I inevitably get "Amber......Ga-" (something or other, usually with much hesitation). Gazdic Sounds like it is spelled. Gaz-dic. Yet somehow this frequently manages to get butchered. Although it could be worse...one of my best friend's last names is Humenjuk- poor girl. In gradeschool the teachers and secretaries resorted to Nat H. Cheers~ Amber From catlady at wicca.net Sun Apr 25 02:20:45 2004 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:20:45 -0000 Subject: Borderline chocolate experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alshainofthenorth" wrote: > Does anyone know if the Aztecs had a deity of chocolate I'm inclined to think it's Quetzalcoatl. When he was king, no one had to work for a living, because all good things just grew on their own. Quetzal feathers grew on trees, turquoise grew on trees, chocolate grew on trees... but when he departed, he turned all those fine feather and gem and chocolate trees to worthless mesquite trees ... By wonderful co-incidence, a post on another list just hours ago turned me onto to www.godchecker.com a site which lists lots of gods including a "Find a God" search. I search for God Of CHOCOLATE and http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/index.php?_results=Y&name=&pantheon=&sex=&Submit.x=19&Submit.y=10&godof=choc&keyw= and Quetzalcoatl was one of the search results offered. > and if he/she has a temple where I can present burnt offerings? I've never heard of Aztec gods liking burnt offering. Many of them like human hearts, ripped out alive and still beating and bloody and RAW, but it is said that Quetzalcoatl didn't want human sacrifices to him. He liked wet offerings of blood produced by piercing one's own penis (tongue for females) with a thorn. > > Nirvana was never this close. Today I used the last of a gift > certificate (belated birthday present last year) on 85 % and 99 % > cocoa content chocolate bars (not an affiliate of the Swiss company > that makes it.) I wouldn't be surprised if the mere sight of the > stuff scares avay Dementors. Milk chocolate is for children. :-) Someday I will try that stuff, but I would hate to be left unable to enjoy the ordinary choccies that give my ignorant palatte so much pleasure. From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 25 07:09:57 2004 From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:09:57 -0000 Subject: Borderline chocolate experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the Aztecs had a deity of chocolate > > I'm inclined to think it's Quetzalcoatl. When he was king, no one had > to work for a living, because all good things just grew on their own. > Quetzal feathers grew on trees, turquoise grew on trees, chocolate > grew on trees... but when he departed, he turned all those fine > feather and gem and chocolate trees to worthless mesquite trees ... > > By wonderful co-incidence, a post on another list just hours ago > turned me onto to www.godchecker.com a site which lists lots of gods > including a "Find a God" search. > > I search for God Of CHOCOLATE and > http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/index.php? _results=Y&name=&pantheon=&sex=&Submit.x=19&Submit.y=10&godof=choc&key w= > > and Quetzalcoatl was one of the search results offered. > > > and if he/she has a temple where I can present burnt offerings? > > I've never heard of Aztec gods liking burnt offering. Many of them > like human hearts, ripped out alive and still beating and bloody and > RAW, but it is said that Quetzalcoatl didn't want human sacrifices to > him. He liked wet offerings of blood produced by piercing one's own > penis (tongue for females) with a thorn. > Alshain again: Ouch. I was a bit worried thet it would be a human > > Someday I will try that stuff, but I would hate to be left unable to > enjoy the ordinary choccies that give my ignorant palatte so much > pleasure. Oh, I have no problems with eating ordinary choccies. There's nothing like variety to keep your palate on its toes, and it comes down to what kind of chocolate you want at that particular moment. And I still think the local market leader (link below) is delish. http://www.northerner.com/products/mat-choklad-karlfazer-blue.html (nope, don't work for them either.) Well, almost no problems with ordinary choccies. In the early nineties, just after Russia had been democratised, I had the worst chocolate experience of my entire life -- a Russian-made milk chocolate that had a mouthfeel like the cocoa had been mixed with liberal amounts of flour. It was... interesting (said with a Snape- ish inflection). Things have changed for the better -- had a box of nice Estonian chocolates for Christmas last year. Capitalism isn't such a bad thing after all. :-) Alshain From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Sun Apr 25 14:05:38 2004 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:05:38 -0000 Subject: Borderline chocolate experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alshainofthenorth" wrote: > Does anyone know if the Aztecs had a deity of chocolate and if he/she > has a temple where I can present burnt offerings? > > Nirvana was never this close. Today I used the last of a gift > certificate (belated birthday present last year) on 85 % and 99 % > cocoa content chocolate bars (not an affiliate of the Swiss company > that makes it.) I wouldn't be surprised if the mere sight of the > stuff scares avay Dementors. Milk chocolate is for children. :-) > Sounds as if you'd enjoy reading Tom Holt's 'Odds and Gods'. The Aztecs or who-ever worship a god represented by a giant set of false teeth soaking in a volcano full of denture cleanser. Human sacrifices are the result of bad temper brought on by toothache - caused by? You guessed it. For those who've never read Tom Holt - shame on you! Much funnier than Terry Pratchett IMO, or his first 6 or 7 books are anyway. Kneasy From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 25 15:03:38 2004 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 25 Apr 2004 15:03:38 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1082905418.22.43376.m21@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, April 25, 2004 Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) Hi everyone! Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7 pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer Time. Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 Hope to see you there! From v-tregan at microsoft.com Mon Apr 26 08:43:07 2004 From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:43:07 +0100 Subject: A dumble Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15975F6B@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, I was listening to BBC Radio 4's programme "Gardener's Question Time" on Sunday http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?gqt This week it came from Lambley, 6 mile NE of Nottingham. "The village is fed by numerable springs and two dumbles, small but deep channels with attractive small waterfalls and weirs along their length." That meaning of "dumble" as a whole word isn't in the Oxford English Dictionary, but it started me thinking about the origins of the word dumbledore. We know it meant bumblebee, but why? Perhaps from: Dumble = small but deep channels (probably local to Nottinghamshire?) Dore = to glaze with saffron, yoke of egg etc (first used in 1420). So perhaps dumbledores were named for the colour that they brought to village dumbles? Sadly this pretty little idea turns out to be wrong. On further examination it turns out that dor and dorr are older, with the first use of dora to describe an insect that flies with a loud humming noise as 700 AD! You can even apply it to people: Bullinger's "Decades" (1592) "There is none so very a dorrhead as that hee vnderstandeth not". And dumble is listed as a prefix; it is a variant of dummel: stupid, dull, slow (first used 1570). So, unlike my rather sweet analogy, it looks like a bumblebee was called a dumbledore because that meant slow loudly humming flying insect! This random ramble through the English language brought to you by ... Dumbledad (which I now find means stupid, dull, and slow Dad!!!!) From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 26 12:42:17 2004 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:42:17 -0000 Subject: Website Available: Harry Potter Search Message-ID: The webmaster of Harry Potter Search going to discontinue maintaining her site, but is willing to hand over it over to anyone interested (for anyone who has dreamed of being an HP webmaster, this is the moment!) http://www.hpsearch.com/ - CMC From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Apr 26 16:01:09 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:01:09 -0000 Subject: Israeli names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Neri explains: (explanation mainly snipped) > Naama is a biblical name. > I think this name was very rarely used by jews through most history, > perhaps because the original Naama was not a jew but an ammonites. > The Ammonites were a related Semitic people that was sometimes at war > with the Judea and Israeli kingdoms. Thank you Neri, for an interesting and informative explanation. Presumably some of the other names you mention were not favoured in the past for similar reasons, e.g. Omri was not well-regarded by the Biblical authors, and Evyatar (Abiathar in English translations, right?) was last in the line of priests that was superseded by Zadok after Samuel's denunciation of Eli. David From nkafkafi at yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 23:17:48 2004 From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:17:48 -0000 Subject: Israeli names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > David: > Thank you Neri, for an interesting and informative explanation. > > Presumably some of the other names you mention were not favoured in > the past for similar reasons, e.g. Omri was not well-regarded by the > Biblical authors, and Evyatar (Abiathar in English translations, > right?) was last in the line of priests that was superseded by Zadok > after Samuel's denunciation of Eli. > I see you know the Bible better than I do :-) You are definitely right about Omri not being popular with the biblical authors. I think he was not pious enough for their taste, besides the crime of not being of the House of David (or even from the Judea tribe). The majority of modern israelis are secular, so they don't have much of a problem with this, but I suspect the name is now popular mainly because it has a nice sound and symbolic meaning (it means "my harvest"). I didn't know about Evyatar being translated "Abiathar" (never bothering to read the english translation). My brother Evyatar will be interested to hear about this... Neri From ms-tamany at rcn.com Tue Apr 27 03:26:22 2004 From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:26:22 -0400 Subject: Borderline Chocolate Experience In-Reply-To: <1082834929.733.83674.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <408D9A9E.13225.19446E59@localhost> Alshain wrote: > Does anyone know if the Aztecs had a deity of chocolate and if he/she > has a temple where I can present burnt offerings? > > Nirvana was never this close. Today I used the last of a gift > certificate (belated birthday present last year) on 85 % and 99 % > cocoa content chocolate bars (not an affiliate of the Swiss company > that makes it.) I wouldn't be surprised if the mere sight of the stuff > scares avay Dementors. Milk chocolate is for children. :-) > > Oddly enough the one with LESS cocoa solids feels MORE bitter in the > mouth. I wonder if it is the higher sugar content that accentuates it. > > Just had to share. > > Alshain, on an endorphine high. OOOH! OOOH! What's the stuff called?! I have GOT to try to lay hands on THAT! GOOOOD chocolate, like that must be, is actually a fabulous diet food for women. Yes, really! See, the milk chocolate (and you're right, it *is* for kids!) has a VERY low level of -- oh, what's it called -- YOU know what I'm looking for, right? That chemical that makes you go all happy and buzzed? Anyway, you gotta eat a LOT of milk chocolate to get anywhere NEAR that satisfaction level. But with dark chocolate, and the higher quality it is, the better, there's more of that chemical. It's more concentrated. As a result, you don't need as much chocolate to get that wonderful feeling, so you don't eat as much, and dark chocolate is usually much lower in sugar and therefore lower in calories. What, you don't believe me that chocolate is a diet food? Back when I weighed 265lbs, I could eat a whole two pound bag of M&Ms and feel sick to my stomach afterward, but still want more chocolate. Two whole POUNDS of M&Ms. Plain, not peanut. That's a lot of chocolate, but it wasn't *enough* -- it didn't satisfy me or my chocolate cravings. Then I discovered a chocolate product that turned everything around for me. This stuff was real chocolate, nothing artificial, with a relatively high percentage of 'cocoa mass'. It came in little sticks, about a quarter-inch in diameter, and about 2 1/2 inches long, made of dark chocolate, with a cappucino filling. These little thingies had all of 20 calories per stick, with one serving being 11 sticks. They were so rich, though, that TWO STICKS (40 whole calories) would satisfy my chocolate cravings, like two whole POUNDS of M&Ms couldn't! On a *REALLY* bad day, I might go for five whole sticks. Ooooh. At $3 for a box of 22 sticks, it was a lot cheaper than M&Ms, too! Sadly, after shedding 40 pounds with the help of these little wonders, the grocery store I got them from quit carrying them. In fact, NOBODY seems to carry them anymore, and I don't even remember what they were called. WAAAAAAHHH!!!! It took me nine months to drop 40 pounds with these chocolate sticks, and it's taken me five years to drop another 40 pounds without them. So, I *NEEEEED* something to replace them! Something with a high cocoa mass content! LIke what YOU got! *** Tammy ms-tamany at rcn.com From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 15:28:09 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:28:09 -0000 Subject: Borderline Chocolate Experience In-Reply-To: <408D9A9E.13225.19446E59@localhost> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tammy Rizzo" wrote: So, I *NEEEEED* > something to replace them! Something with a high cocoa mass content! LIke what YOU > got! > > *** > Tammy > ms-tamany at r... Another place to try: I was just at my local Whole Foods store (organic/natural foods, etc.), and they had nice, thick bars of what looked like very good chocolate, and the labels touted the high cocoa butter content (given in percentages). I could kick myself for not buying any (it's not very convenient to get there), but anyway, if you have that kind of a grocery near you, you might look for chocolate there. Another thing dark chocolate has is antioxidants. They bind with milk, though, so it's useless to eat milk chocolate or have dairy products with your dark. Annemehr who at least has some Dove dark in the house (and too many parentheses) From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 15:30:42 2004 From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:30:42 -0000 Subject: Convention Alley Programming Schedule Posted! Message-ID: The Convention Alley Planning Committee is pleased to announce the creation of the programming schedule for the very first conference devoted to grown-up Harry Potter fans to be held in Canada. This event, sponsored by the Harry Potter for Grown-Ups literary discussion group, will be held at the University of Ottawa in Ottawa, Ontario, from July 30 to August 1, 2004. Convention Alley will feature presentations by fans from both the academic and non-academic worlds. Subjects of discussion include how the series is able to overcome culture-specific limitations to appeal to readers from around the world; J.K. Rowling's transformation of Harry from a fairy tale hero into a resentful teenager in The Order of the Phoenix; and analyses of characters in the Harry Potter series, such as the inscrutable Professor Severus Snape and the traitorous Peter Pettigrew. The complete programming schedule may be found here: http://www.conventionalley.org/programming.html Directed discussion groups and two guest speakers will complement the formal programming sessions. Steve Vander Ark will present the keynote address "The Hidden Message: It's All About Lee Jordan" at Saturday's birthday banquet. His address will discuss some of the problems of overanalyzing the Harry Potter books, and he will offer suggestions on how to distinguish red herrings from true clues. Steve is the creator and editor of the Harry Potter Lexicon website, a comprehensive reference tool on the Potterverse extensively used by both fans and scholars. Dr. Judith Robertson will present "What Happens to Our Wishes: Magical Thinking in Harry Potter" at the Sunday luncheon. Her presentation will focus on the elements in the Harry Potter series that make these books so vividly compelling to young readers. Dr. Robertson is an Associate Professor at the University of Ottawa, and has written over twenty articles and chapters that have appeared in peer-refereed sites in children's literature, English education, curriculum theory and teacher education. For more information or to register for the conference, please visit: http://www.conventionalley.org/ . Phyllis Morris 2004 Convention Alley Planning Committee and Programming Co-Chair From entropymail at yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 17:31:48 2004 From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:31:48 -0000 Subject: Harry in "The DaVinci Code" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > "These books can't possibly compete with centuries of established > history, especially when that history is endorsed by the ultimate > bestseller of all time." > > Faukman's eyes went wide. "Don't tell me Harry Potter is actually > about the Holy Grail." > > "I was referring to the Bible." > > Faukman cringed. "I knew that." And don't forget that DaVinci Code list of famous Grand Masters: one of them was Nicholas Flamel! :: Entropy :: From lists at heidi8.com Tue Apr 27 18:20:44 2004 From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:20:44 -0000 Subject: POA at IMAX in NYC on 06.05.04 Message-ID: As the release date for Prisoner of Azkaban approaches, Harry Potter fans all over the world are making plans to get together to see the film. And since there's a huge number of Harry Potter fans in and around the New York area, a few of us (including Heidi & Melissa from TLC and people from HPANA, FictionAlley, SugarQuill and a number of LJ communities) thought, why not have a massive film-going event the afternoon of June 5 (the day after the US release) at the LOEWS IMAX in the Lincoln Center area in Manhattan? The theater's Group Sales Office has given us a chance to purchase discounted tickets as a block, so we can all sit together and watch the film on the larger-than-life IMAX screen, and then we can all adjourn together to for nibbles and post-film analysis somewhere in the neighborhood (location to be announced - we're talking with a Columbus Square bookstore right now). At this point, we don't have an exact start-time for the film, but the theater tells us it'll start between three p.m. and four-thirty p.m., with the afterparty running from approximately seven-thirty until nine o'clock. Everyone is welcome, but we ask that kids under fifteen attend with a parent or guardian. Since we have to buy the tickets ahead of time to get the seats blocked and to get the discount, FictionAlley is taking the orders for tickets. You can pay with PayPal using the page at http://www.fictionalley.org/POA_NYC.html until May 31 (or until tickets sell out) or you can send a money order or a check (postmarked by May 15 unless we announce that tickets have sold out) to the address on that page. If you have any questions, feel free to post at poa_nyc (http://www.livejournal.com/community/poa_nyc/3689.html)! And if you're sending a check or money order, we'd appreciate it if you'd post there telling us to look for it (but you're not required to do so). From nakedkali at yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 04:27:24 2004 From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:27:24 -0000 Subject: World Wizarding Press Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "black_grimalkin" wrote: BG> What do you think of the World Wizarding Press books that are put BG> out about the HP series? [SNIP] _______________ Sea Change responds: I found them overwrought, but not nearly as charmingly interesting or delightfully earnest like the theorists on the main HPFGU thread. My roommate adores them and doesn't mind their slyness about obvious things and obsession with inconsequentials at all. Sea Change, who reads JKR with a deeply forgiving eye and a collection of tiny self-obliviate spells. From nakedkali at yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 04:54:27 2004 From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:54:27 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This word looks like a musical marking to me, so I pronounce it as if it were chicken cacciatore, that is, Italianishly: ATCH ee yo. From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 06:29:35 2004 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:29:35 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sea Change" wrote: > This word looks like a musical marking to me, so I pronounce it as > if it were chicken cacciatore, that is, Italianishly: ATCH ee yo. bboy_mn: My initial instinct was to pronounce it 'ASS-EE-OH', but after looking in the English dictionary, I find that nearly all words that start with 'ACC...' are pronounced with a 'K' sound as in 'accelerate', 'accident', and 'access'. Since I discovered that I have been trying to force myself to use the more likely 'ACK-SEE-OH'. The one main exception is with words that begin with 'accO...'. words that have an 'O' after the second 'C' rarely have the second 'C' pronounced which means the loss of any 'S' type sound. However, when we factor in the origin being Latin, perhaps the Italian version may be close to correct. But that raises the question as to whether wizard retain formal Latin pronounciation, or have evolved to the modern English variation? Just a thought. bboy_mn From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Apr 28 08:18:12 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:18:12 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > My initial instinct was to pronounce it 'ASS-EE-OH', but after looking > in the English dictionary, I find that nearly all words that start > with 'ACC...' are pronounced with a 'K' sound as in 'accelerate', > 'accident', and 'access'. > > Since I discovered that I have been trying to force myself to use the > more likely 'ACK-SEE-OH'. > > The one main exception is with words that begin with 'accO...'. words > that have an 'O' after the second 'C' rarely have the second 'C' > pronounced which means the loss of any 'S' type sound. Oddly enough, for once this is just what you'd expect if you follow the normal rules for pronunciation of 'c' in English: like s before e, i, and y, like tsh when combined with h, and like k otherwise, including before another c. So words like 'accommodate' and 'accumulate' aren't really exceptions. The vowel *before* -cc- doesn't matter: 'eccentric', 'Occident', 'occult'. Like several others here, I tend to assume that words specific to the Harry Potter series are English, even if they have clear foreign roots, thus I pronounce the final 't' in 'Voldemort', Draco to rhyme with Waco, not wacko, and so on. When discussing the Accio UK conference, though, I'll defer to Ali's pronunciation. David From v-tregan at microsoft.com Wed Apr 28 10:23:02 2004 From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:23:02 +0100 Subject: Pronouncing Accio Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B36F6@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, Eek - David, you don't summarize your post with how you feel it should be pronounced. I believe that since it is Latin, that I have no Latin, and that Stephen Fry probably has loads, I should follow him in pronouncing it ASS-EE-OH (like Steve's initial instinct). But, due to Kate (my wife) repeatedly chastising TV presenters for mispronouncing Boadicea (it should be BOO-DIC-A !??!), I tend to pronounce Accio as ACK-EE-OH. Cheers, Dumbledad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kempermentor at yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 17:30:10 2004 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B36F6@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20040428173010.26726.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Hello... I'm not sure the pronounciation is all that important. It's the intention behind the word/spell. Dumbledore frequently doesn't use his voice for magic, though he muttered a spell on the statue head and it changed to a portkey. Perhaps if he hadn't just dueled Voldemort while protecting Potter and if the Ministry of Magic wasn't being filled with confused, frightened, loud employees and their flustered Minister, he wouldn't needed to have voiced the spell. But maybe Dumbledore voiced the spell to help keep him focused on the spell's outcome (intention). Potter early in the book loses his wand after getting knocked in the face by his cousin. He scrambles on the ground searching for his wand, and without the wand, yells, or at least raises his voice some, "Lumos!" Canon says, "He said the spell automatically, desperate for light...light flared inches from his right hand--the wand tip had ignited." His intention was for light, and there was light. And Potter saw that the lumos was good, and picked up his wand. Witches and wizards seem to represent a cross-section of the world population with various ethnicities and cultures. So, I would guess that a few of these witches and wizards are born Deaf. Maybe these Deaf children go to wizarding schools of the Deaf where they learn sign (Latin Sign?) spells where voice, and therefore pronounciation, are no longer an issue. -Kemper --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From przepla at ipartner.com.pl Wed Apr 28 21:08:19 2004 From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:08:19 +0200 Subject: Commercials in the US (was: Movie: SS on ABC encore?) In-Reply-To: <408FD805.5444.8F569A@localhost> References: <408FC3B5.30709.3FFC96@localhost> <408FD805.5444.8F569A@localhost> Message-ID: <40901D43.3070906@ipartner.com.pl> On 29/04/2004 01:12, Amanda Pressnell wrote : > > > Maybe, but even if they aired just the 152 minute theatrical version, I can't see how > they could squeeze it into 3 hours without greatly cutting back on commercials. They're > going to run into the 11pm news whatever they do. > The above was posted on Movie list. Since my question is off-topish, I am asking here. 3*60minutes=180minutes 180minutes-152minutes=28 minutes This means that in 3 hours there is over 28 minutes possible to use in commercials. And Amanda is thinking that those 28 minutes is not enough! I am wondering how exactly are commercials placed in US television. In Poland commercials can not exceeds 12 minutes in an hour, and commercial breaks in movies can be inserted once for every each 45 minutes (thats after 1st May 2004 -- EU regulations. Now commercial breaks can be inserted only after each 20 minutes of a movie). So those 28 minutes is quite enough for me - with legal limit of 36 minutes in 3 hours. So, does that mean that US tv networks are more full of adverts than European? -- Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki Do not choose for your wife any woman you would not choose as your friend if she were a man. (Joseph Joubert) From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 28 21:51:56 2004 From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:51:56 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter makes House and Garden Magazine! Message-ID: The front of the magazine says: "Preview! Harry Potter's New Home" Inside, starting on page 164 is a short article about set design and Stuart Craig who has quite a petigree in set design. (The English Patient and Ghandi to name a few). There are also some nice pictures of the Gryffindor common room, the Shrieking Shack, Leaky Cauldron bedroom, Harry's dormitory room and the astronomy room. Really nice pictures. Dudemom_2000 *****\(@@)/***** From lita at sailordom.com Wed Apr 28 22:52:11 2004 From: lita at sailordom.com (Lita Beck) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Commercials in the US (was: Movie: SS on ABC encore?) In-Reply-To: <40901D43.3070906@ipartner.com.pl> References: <408FC3B5.30709.3FFC96@localhost> <408FD805.5444.8F569A@localhost> <40901D43.3070906@ipartner.com.pl> Message-ID: <20040428164002.M3558@hedwig.sailordom.com> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki wrote: > In Poland commercials can not exceeds 12 minutes in an hour, and > commercial breaks in movies can be inserted once for every each 45 > minutes (thats after 1st May 2004 -- EU regulations. Now commercial > breaks can be inserted only after each 20 minutes of a movie). > > So those 28 minutes is quite enough for me - with legal limit of 36 > minutes in 3 hours. > > So, does that mean that US tv networks are more full of adverts than > European? Well, that's what my husband (who's from Germany) always says. :) As I remember (it's been quite a while since my Business of Broadcasting class), network television has 12 minutes of commercials per hour. Not a limit of 12 minutes--12 minutes is the standard. (Made up of spots that range in length between 10 to 30 seconds.) So, three hours of a movie on American television would have 36 minutes of commercials. Commercial breaks can be inserted anywhere. Most networks try to make an effort to insert commercials in during natural breaking points in the movie, but I don't think there is any regulation on how long there has to be between commercial breaks. (TV shows are written to naturally break for commercials.) I'm pretty sure there isn't, actually, as I know I've watched movies that only had 10 minutes or so between commercials. Lita From coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 01:21:03 2004 From: coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com (coolbeans3131) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:21:03 -0000 Subject: Commercials in the US (was: Movie: SS on ABC encore?) In-Reply-To: <20040428164002.M3558@hedwig.sailordom.com> Message-ID: Lita Beck wrote: > As I remember (it's been quite a while since my Business of > Broadcasting class), network television has 12 minutes of > commercials per hour. Not a limit of 12 minutes--12 minutes > is the standard. (Made up of spots that range in length > between 10 to 30 seconds.) > > So, three hours of a movie on American television would have > 36 minutes of commercials. I'm pretty sure American soap operas are 42 minutes long. That is 18 minutes of commercials. That's not primetime, but still. What a rip- off! Joj From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 03:04:44 2004 From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: <1083188733.3493.9316.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20040429030444.9822.qmail@web61206.mail.yahoo.com> At the Scholastic Harry Potter website, they have a pronunciation guide. I found that I was pronouncing a whole lot of stuff wrong. http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/ (click on guide at bottom of page) It says Accio is pronounced "AH-see-oh." Best, Christine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From v-tregan at microsoft.com Thu Apr 29 07:37:09 2004 From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:37:09 +0100 Subject: Pronouncing Accio Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B39B2@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, At the Scholastic Harry Potter website, they have a pronunciation guide. I found that I was pronouncing a whole lot of stuff wrong. http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/ (click on guide at bottom of page) What a great link. I had more right than I was expecting, though there were some surprises (Rubeus, Dedalus, Animagus, Accio). It also helped with one I've been falling over each time I read it out: Legilimency La-JILL-a-men-see (it seems so obvious now). But the two best are the proper American voice sounding the word "bogey", which brought out the schoolboy giggles in me, and their fantastic pronunciation of Voldemort. Cheers, Dumbledad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From v-tregan at microsoft.com Thu Apr 29 08:11:53 2004 From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:11:53 +0100 Subject: Children's author jailed for abuse Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B39EC@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, Michele posted this on the Rutgers' KidLit list, but I thought it may be of interest here http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/features/story.jsp?story=515896 http://tinyurl.com/3ytw4 It's an article by Nicholas Tucker about the jailing of childrens' writer William Mayne for assaults on his young readers. Tucker contrasts the success of JK Rowling, Philip Pullman, Jacqueline Wilson et al with the spectre of paedophilia hanging, unsubstantiated, over Charles Dodgson and JM Barrie. He goes on to explain why such allegations are (probably) unfounded, and ends with a plea that this doesn't become a witch-hunt. It's a strange article. I haven't seen any evidence of a witch-hunt, so calling on us to resist it seems counter-productive. It's also unsettling, the evidence he recounts against Dodgson (aka Lewis Carroll) does make one wonder if Dodgson, or at least the age he lived in, had a healthy attitude towards children. I think this quote from the article best characterises my disquiet: It is a dismal commentary on current post-Freudian psychological theorising that love of small children and pleasure in their company is still often viewed as necessarily pathological unless that love is expressed by another family member, when it is seen as entirely natural and desirable. This may be true, but having planted a link between the love of small children and pathology, I found it hard to shake. Cheers, Dumbledad. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Apr 29 08:37:30 2004 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:37:30 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B39B2@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: Christine: > At the Scholastic Harry Potter website, they have a pronunciation guide. > I found that I was pronouncing a whole lot of stuff wrong. > http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/ > (click on guide at > bottom of page) Tim: > What a great link. I had more right than I was expecting, though there > were some surprises This sort of thing makes me cross. It's good to be humble and teachable about one's own pronunciation, but Scholastic are *NOT!!!* an authority. I would trust HPFGU members over them any day. So don't say 'I was wrong' or 'I was more right than expected', say 'they had some interesting suggestions which I'm prepared to accept, and in other cases (e.g. Lestrange) they were clearly off the wall'. David From naama2486 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 13:27:39 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:27:39 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > So don't say 'I was wrong' or 'I was more right than expected', > say 'they had some interesting suggestions which I'm prepared to > accept, and in other cases (e.g. Lestrange) they were clearly off > the wall'. > > David Actually, the Lestrange one does make sense. The french tone fits with the motto on the Black tapestry ("Toujours pur"). Though I've always pronounced it le-strainje (like the word "strange"). However, I still don't accept their pronounciation of "Animagus". Animagi is fair and understandable ('i' after 'g' makes it sound like 'j'), but how on earth did they make Animagus sound like An-i- MAYJ'us?! An-i-mah-goose sounds better to me... Am I the only one who thought Knuts should be pronounced like 'nuts'? Amanar From naama2486 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 13:37:15 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:37:15 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B39B2@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: Christine: I found that I was pronouncing a whole lot of stuff wrong. Amanar: -That comment reminded me of a HP cartoon, that can be found here: http://www.offthemark.com/potter/potter02.htm -check out the top right one... (there's another page: http://www.offthemark.com/potter/potter.htm) Cheers, Amanar From v-tregan at microsoft.com Thu Apr 29 13:46:47 2004 From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:47 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronouncing Accio Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B3BEF@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, I said: > What a great link. I had more right than > I was expecting, though there were some > surprises DAH-fid replied: > This sort of thing makes me cross. [snip] > So don't say 'I was wrong' or 'I was more > right than expected', say 'they had some > interesting suggestions which I'm > prepared to accept, and in other cases > (e.g. Lestrange) they were clearly off > the wall'. OK, I will do that in future da-VEED. My education came at a time when the UK educational system (at least comprehensive / state schools) seemed to shy away from teaching anything formal about the language. The only time I studied rigorous grammar was in German lessons! Hence I am apprehensive about my own use of English. Because of that, I like authoritative explanations of things (OED, Fowler, etc), which is why I liked the Scholastic site. It doesn't say that it might be pronounced this way or that way, it just states it. But you're right day-VID, Scholastic isn't JKR or the OED or even HPfGU. I agree with you about the pronunciation of Lestrange too deh-AV-id, the chance of English folk choosing to pronounce Lestrange the French way is slim indeed, even with their French motto that Anamar pointed out. That said, I know a family with the surname Death, which they pronounce DE-ath. Anamar said: > However, I still don't accept their > pronunciation of "Animagus". > Animagi is fair and understandable ('i' after 'g' > makes it sound like 'j'), but how on earth did > they make Animagus sound like > An-i-MAYJ'us?! An-i-mah-goose sounds better to me... > Am I the only one who thought Knuts should be > pronounced like 'nuts'? The OED actually gives the UK and US pronunciation of magus, the singular version of magi (like the three wise men). Unfortunately, it is written in a bizarre phonetics alphabet which I don't understand. I doubt Yahoo will render it well either, but let's try: Brit. / me g s/, U.S. /megs/ Cheers, Dumbledad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From naama2486 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 15:56:22 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:56:22 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E159B3BEF@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan \(Intl Vendor\)" wrote: > Hi All, > > I said: > > What a great link. I had more right than > > I was expecting, though there were some > > surprises > > DAH-fid replied: > > This sort of thing makes me cross. > [snip] > > So don't say 'I was wrong' or 'I was more > > right than expected', say 'they had some > > interesting suggestions which I'm > > prepared to accept, and in other cases > > (e.g. Lestrange) they were clearly off > > the wall'. > > OK, I will do that in future da-VEED. > > My education came at a time when the UK educational system (at least > comprehensive / state schools) seemed to shy away from teaching anything > formal about the language. The only time I studied rigorous grammar was > in German lessons! Hence I am apprehensive about my own use of English. > Because of that, I like authoritative explanations of things (OED, > Fowler, etc), which is why I liked the Scholastic site. It doesn't say > that it might be pronounced this way or that way, it just states it. But > you're right day-VID, Scholastic isn't JKR or the OED or even HPfGU. > > I agree with you about the pronunciation of Lestrange too deh-AV- id, the > chance of English folk choosing to pronounce Lestrange the French way is > slim indeed, even with their French motto that Anamar pointed out. That > said, I know a family with the surname Death, which they pronounce > DE-ath. > > Anamar said: > > However, I still don't accept their > > pronunciation of "Animagus". > > Animagi is fair and understandable ('i' after 'g' > > makes it sound like 'j'), but how on earth did > > they make Animagus sound like > > An-i-MAYJ'us?! An-i-mah-goose sounds better to me... > > Am I the only one who thought Knuts should be > > pronounced like 'nuts'? > > The OED actually gives the UK and US pronunciation of magus, the > singular version of magi (like the three wise men). Unfortunately, it is > written in a bizarre phonetics alphabet which I don't understand. I > doubt Yahoo will render it well either, but let's try: > Brit. / me g s/, U.S. /megs/ > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad. Well, I've checked www.dictionary.com, who also have that bizzare phonetic thing, but fortunately also have a pronounciation key. (the link: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=magus) And guess what? I was right! magus should be pronounced may-guss (u like in circus) while magi should be pronounced may-jie (ie like in pie) (nobody answered my Knuts question...) Amanar (a-ma-NAR :) From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 16:30:41 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:30:41 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Amanar: > -That comment reminded me of a HP cartoon, that can be found here: > http://www.offthemark.com/potter/potter02.htm > -check out the top right one... I liked the fed-up expression on JKR in the bottom left one -- -- and, thanks, Amanar, for the links! Annemehr From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 16:37:12 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:37:12 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanar" wrote: > (nobody answered my Knuts question...) > > Amanar (a-ma-NAR :) Oh, yeah. I always want to say "nutes" but my kids don't like that, they like "knuts," i.e. pronouncing the "k" and short "u." Annemehr (ann-em-air) <--- wonder how many people pronounce it that way? From bumbledor at charter.net Thu Apr 29 13:21:52 2004 From: bumbledor at charter.net (Bumbledor) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:21:52 -0400 Subject: Ultimate Sorting Hat quiz Message-ID: <006801c42e08$d06591f0$6601a8c0@mac> The ultimate personality test, to find out which house you DO belong in. As reported by wizard news dot com. http://personalitytests.netfirms.com/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Thu Apr 29 19:48:11 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:48:11 -0000 Subject: Ultimate Sorting Hat quiz In-Reply-To: <006801c42e08$d06591f0$6601a8c0@mac> Message-ID: "Bumbledor" wrote: > The ultimate personality test, to find out which house you DO belong in. > As reported by wizard news dot com. > > http://personalitytests.netfirms.com/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm > Well, I always fancied myself a candidate for Gryffindor (mainly because "courage" appeals to me as a wonderful trait to have, and because I fight dragons of fear on a daily basis) but according to the ultimate test I belong in Ravenclaw...I guess I can live with that :-) All throgh the test I thought: "Not slytherin, not slytherin, please, not slytherin..." So, what's your house? Sophia From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Thu Apr 29 20:09:02 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:02 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Oh, yeah. > > I always want to say "nutes" but my kids don't like that, they like > "knuts," i.e. pronouncing the "k" and short "u." > > Annemehr (ann-em-air) <--- wonder how many people pronounce it that way? I think it may be because Stephen Fry (who is MY authority in pronounciation quibbles: Scholastic--take a hike)says k'nuts in the audio books. As for accio--Stephen has it as "ax-ee-oh." The Big Fry has spoken just my two k'nuts Sophia (so-FEE-ah), small fry From nakedkali at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 20:39:53 2004 From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:39:53 -0000 Subject: Knuts to you In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amanar said [snippety snippety snip]: A> (nobody answered my Knuts question...) _________________ Sea Change replies: I've pronounced it 'newts'. I can't decide if I am happy with the audible K or not. K'nuts (like the tree fruit) has a cool sound to it. Sea Change, whose ancient computer won't reproduce Scholastic's soundfiles. From nakedkali at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 20:44:58 2004 From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:44:58 -0000 Subject: The 'thehpsurvey' Message-ID: Way back in January, there was a survey launched from announcements in the HPFGU threads(after wrapping my brain around possible pronounciations, I had to retrain my fingers three times from spelling that 'lownched'). Whatever happened to that? Did I accidentally wipe out the final results email thinking it was spam? Sea Change, who can be highly opiniated. From Ali at zymurgy.org Thu Apr 29 20:46:40 2004 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:46:40 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio Message-ID: Since naming the Accio conference, I've heard so many different pronounciations of the word, and I have to confess that I've been pronouncing it differently to most people! I learnt Latin for 6 years but I then ruined all that good classical pronunciation by learning Italian for a few years. The result is confusion! I pronounce accio as ach-eeo. It now sounds funny if I hear it pronounced in any other way. Funnily enough, when I first read the word, I'm sure I did pronounce it "correctly", but have found it trips off the tongue more easily my way. Believe me, I have said it rather a lot recently! In terms of bowing down to Stephen Fry's pronunciation, I would for most things, but... He's just turned down the opportunity of reading the Latin version of PS because he doesn't know Latin and isn't confident that he'd get it right. I'd also have to say "Think Tonks" He can get it wrong (well IMO). In short, he's great, but not invincible. So how is Accio going to be pronounced for the conference? Well I think that Stephen Fry did get the pronounciation right, and am more than happy for that to be our official interpretation. Ali BTW, the Accio website is http://www.accio.org.uk From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net Thu Apr 29 20:59:18 2004 From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:59:18 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ultimate Sorting Hat quiz References: Message-ID: <001101c42e2c$d6838a00$05030f04@dslverizon.net> Well, I always fancied myself a candidate for Gryffindor (mainly because "courage" appeals to me as a wonderful trait to have, and because I fight dragons of fear on a daily basis) but according to the ultimate test I belong in Ravenclaw...I guess I can live with that :-) All throgh the test I thought: "Not slytherin, not slytherin, please, not slytherin..." So, what's your house? Sophia *********************************** Well, I can't wait to see what this one tells me...once the day has switched over. Appearently, it's bandwith allowance has been reached for the day and I can't get in...:( I tend to get evenly placed between Gryffindor and Slytherin though, depending on the test (and probably the kind of day I'm having). I've never placed in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, although there was one site that broke the results down into percentages for you...in that one, I made Gryff with Slyth and 'Claw in a close tie for second. Poor Hufflepuff was all the way down in about the 5% range...^^; Ah well, we can't ALL be nice, I guess...;) ************************************* Anne/Silverthorne From naama2486 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 07:01:08 2004 From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:01:08 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Accio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Me: > > -That comment reminded me of a HP cartoon, that can be found > > here: > > http://www.offthemark.com/potter/potter02.htm > > -check out the top right one... Annemehr: > I liked the fed-up expression on JKR in the bottom left one -- Me again: I liked their interpretation of "Harry Potter"- http://www.offthemark.com/potter/potter.htm > -- and, thanks, Amanar, for the links! You're welcome! ^_^ -- Amanar From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Fri Apr 30 09:47:27 2004 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:47:27 -0000 Subject: Ultimate Sorting Hat quiz In-Reply-To: <001101c42e2c$d6838a00$05030f04@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: > Well, I can't wait to see what this one tells me...once the day has > switched over. Appearently, it's bandwith allowance has been reached for the > day and I can't get in...:( > > I tend to get evenly placed between Gryffindor and Slytherin though, > depending on the test (and probably the kind of day I'm having). I've never > placed in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, although there was one site that broke > the results down into percentages for you...in that one, I made Gryff with > Slyth and 'Claw in a close tie for second. Poor Hufflepuff was all the way > down in about the 5% range...^^; > > Ah well, we can't ALL be nice, I guess...;) > > Anne/Silverthorne I wonder if Gryff and Slyth are all that different--maybe they're two sides to the same coin--similar traits, just used to different ends, somehow. Sophia From annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 30 13:17:42 2004 From: annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk (annelilucas) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:17:42 -0000 Subject: Commercials in the US (was: Movie: SS on ABC encore?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Joj: > I'm pretty sure American soap operas are 42 minutes long. That is 18 > minutes of commercials. That's not primetime, but still. What a rip- > off! > > In the UK, when The Simpsons is shown on BBC2 (which has no commercials) it's given a 20m slot (although I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they make each episode a couple of minutes too long and then cut in to around 21 minutes - which is why they have extra scenes). That leaves nearly 10 minutes for commercials in a half hour time slot. Anneli From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 19:46:36 2004 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:46:36 -0000 Subject: Off Line: Electronic Books Question & Dangerous Dancing Message-ID: Well, I am quite sure that all of us, being the fine upstanding citizens that we are, do not have any of the questionably legal electronic versions of the HP series of books. But if some one hypothetically did have electronic copies, could they possible answer these questions off-line (that is, by direct email, rather than posting on-line). My email is my screen name (at) Yahoo.com. Are these electronic editions one huge file, or are they broken down into separate chapter files? Or, possibly divide in some other way? If one big file, how big is that file? (It must be REALLY HUGE.) Are they Text files, .PDF, MS-Word, HTML, or what? Not that I am concidering procuring any of these possibly legal possibly not books. In fact, quite the opposite, I am considering spending my mostly non-existent life typing them out in electronic form for my own personal use. Although, whether I will ever muster that much energy is questionable. So, I am wondering what the most efficient and effective format is. I am well aware that I am dancing dangerously close to the edge of what is allowable here, so if this post were to magically disappear under the wave of a moderators wand, it would be understandable. Just curious. bboy_mn From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 20:26:27 2004 From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (hphgrwlca) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:26:27 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter Challenge Message-ID: Hey all, My friend gave me this link. It's a HP Challenge. Answer as many questions correctly as you can. WARNING: Absolutely addicting! (And hard, too!) http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/challenge/ Best, Christine