From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Aug  1 00:45:55 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:45:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Happy Birthday Harry!
In-Reply-To: <cegh5k+cdpg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEODDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

>From Dudemom:
| *raises her glass of butterbeer*
|
| Happy Birthday, Harry, Neville and JKR!
|
| *cuts the cake* mmmmmmmm! very good! *continues cutting cake and
| laying out pieces for everyone to taste* Everyone have some!

[Lee]:
<Licking lips...>
Is it Chocolate or Pumpkin...or both? :-)

Okay, Everybody Sing!

"Oh his eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad...."

Oops--wrong song... :-)

Happy Birthday!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 02:05:15 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (rynne_lupin)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 02:05:15 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday x 4!
Message-ID: <cehj4r+qf24@eGroups.com>

*runs in, beaming happily* Well, what a day for birthdays this is!  
July 31st, the birthday of our dear Harry Potter, who turns 24 
today!  And too, of his lovely authoress, JK Rowling!  Without them, 
we elveses would certainly not be here, and none of you would either.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HARRY!  HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MS ROWLING!

But we also have some /other/ birthdays today! *grins widely*  Now 
just hold on a minute while I get the decorations...

*pops out, and pops back in with boxes of decorations* All of you can 
help me set up, can't you?  It needs to be a /big/ party today!

Our other birthday honorees are Melody, who can be reached for 
birthday wishes at mu_nu_mu at hotmail.com, and Katherine in MA!  Wish 
them a happy birthday too!

*brings out the cake and candles*  Make a wish, everyone!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HARRY!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MS ROWLING!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MELODY!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KATHERINE!

Everyone, have a lovely day. :D

--Rynny the substitute Birthday Elf




From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  1 09:39:44 2004
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: JKR.com - August '04 edition (was) Happy Birthday Harry!
Message-ID: <20040801093944.99720.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com>

MsTattersall:
> *licks icing off fingers* I was sort of
> hoping there would be more on the JKR
> site today than just a cake...like maybe
> the DND sign off the door with a little
> Harry's birthday present for all of us?
> Can't help but feel a little disappointed.
Ah, but with August comes a *new* wizard 
(or is it hag?) of the month:

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/wotm.cfm

There might be other new stuff...anyone?

Petra
a
n  :)


		
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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Aug  1 15:02:26 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 1 Aug 2004 15:02:26 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1091372546.21.94604.m22@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, August 1, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  1 15:39:53 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:39:53 -0000
Subject: how many musicians?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGENJDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cej2s9+4rjh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [June writes]:
> 
> | I've got a feeling that Lee Storm and I are not the only
> | musicians present.  I'd like to know if there are others, and who
> | plays instrements and who sings.  I'm a keyboardist, I also sing
> | and I do just about all kinds of music from classic country to
> | show tunes, and I sing a lot in Spanish and Greek.  Who else
plays?  June


I play WITH my tin whistles more than I actually play them properly -
well, it's a start. I am tone deaf with a terrible voice, so I'm kind
of proud to be able to play about 10 songs on the tinny... :)

Alice




From prongs at marauders-map.net  Sun Aug  1 17:48:34 2004
From: prongs at marauders-map.net (Silver Stag)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:48:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: how many musicians?
References: <cej2s9+4rjh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02d201c477ef$c4aa22f0$0201a8c0@bettysue>

I'm a drummer. I was in some form of school band from seventh grade until I
graduated from college a couple years ago. I mainly play auxiliary
percussion (tambourines and the like) and hand drums, but I can handle a
snare. I've never played bells, kettle drums or a drum kit enough to be even
semi-proficient.
Betty
"Would you like us to clean out your ears for you?" inquired George, pulling
out a long and lethal-looking metal instrument from inside one of the
Zonko's
bags.
"Or any part of your body, really, we're not fussy where we stick this,"
said Fred.

Fred and George Weasley, OOTP
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alice_loves_cats" <hypercolor99 at hotmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: how many musicians?


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
> Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> > [June writes]:
> >
> > | I've got a feeling that Lee Storm and I are not the only
> > | musicians present.  I'd like to know if there are others, and who
> > | plays instrements and who sings.  I'm a keyboardist, I also sing
> > | and I do just about all kinds of music from classic country to
> > | show tunes, and I sing a lot in Spanish and Greek.  Who else
> plays?  June
>
>
> I play WITH my tin whistles more than I actually play them properly -
> well, it's a start. I am tone deaf with a terrible voice, so I'm kind
> of proud to be able to play about 10 songs on the tinny... :)
>
> Alice
>
>
>
>
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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  1 22:07:58 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:07:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: JKR.com - August '04 edition (was) Happy Birthday Harry!
Message-ID: <20040801220758.47775.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>


1August04

 

MsTattersall wrote:
> "...Ah, but with August comes a *new* wizard
(or is it hag?) of the month..."

Paula now:

Humm, but why would hags need to be reformed?  I've never understood why they have such a bad reputation.  Actually, don't they just exist in men's imaginations--guys have to conjure up a hag to keep from being controlled by a Veela.

Paula Gaon





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From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 03:18:55 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (rynne_lupin)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 03:18:55 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Wendy!
Message-ID: <cekbqv+9k2a@eGroups.com>

*pops in* Hello again, all!  I hope you've been having as lovely a 
day as I have, especially as we have another birthday today!

*goes hunting for the decorations* Ah, here they are! *takes out 
sparkly streamers and starts hanging them everywhere*  Now, where did 
those...aha! *takes out party favors and starts passing them around*

Today's birthday honoree is Wendy!  To send her birthday wishes, 
email her at hebrideanblack at earthlink.net.

*pops out and in again with a big cake that says "Happy Birthday, 
Wendy" on it*  And here's the cake! *starts cutting it up and passing 
it around*

HAPPY BIRTHDAY WENDY!

--Rynny the substitute Birthday Elf  




From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Mon Aug  2 16:59:47 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Timothy Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:59:47 +0100
Subject: Lewis Carroll's scrapbook online
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15E05219@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

Just came across this weird web artefact, Lewis Carroll's scrapbook is
online:

http://tinyurl.com/6ylso
http://international.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lchtml&fileName=lc001
/lchtmllc001.db&recNum=0

It's interesting from a kid's literature perspective, containing
"approximately 130 items, including newspaper clippings, photographs,
and a limited number of manuscript materials, collected between
1855-72", though the pages I looked at were mostly newspaper clippings.

Roll on the day when we have access to JKR's notes online!

Cheers,

Dumbledad



From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  2 19:59:19 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:59:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1598
In-Reply-To: <1091349218.1224.20469.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040802195919.76457.qmail@web61006.mail.yahoo.com>




Aggiepaddy wrote:
Hi!

Just a quick question, is anyone on here planning on going to Accio 
2005 in Reading, Uk?

I've just registered and wondered if there will be any familiar names 
going?! None of my RL friends are into HP as much as me!!



I'll be going too, although I won't be staying in Reading. I live in Oxfordshire so it's fairly close to home. I don't have any RL friends who are interested either, including hubby. He'll be left babysitting. 

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From TonyaMinton at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  2 21:30:01 2004
From: TonyaMinton at hotmail.com (tonyaminton)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:30:01 -0000
Subject: Lewis Carroll's scrapbook online
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15E05219@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <cembop+bb8s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Regan \(Intl 
Vendor\)" <v-tregan at m...> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Just came across this weird web artefact, Lewis Carroll's scrapbook 
is
> online:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6ylso
> http://international.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?
collId=lchtml&fileName=lc001
> /lchtmllc001.db&recNum=0
> 
> It's interesting from a kid's literature perspective, containing
> "approximately 130 items, including newspaper clippings, 
photographs,
> and a limited number of manuscript materials, collected between
> 1855-72", though the pages I looked at were mostly newspaper 
clippings.
> 
> Roll on the day when we have access to JKR's notes online!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dumbledad


Dumbledad,
Too Cool!!  Thanks for sharing this with us.  I went through the 
scrapbook briefly I will have to look closer to find the JKR 
referance!!

Tonya




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Aug  2 22:05:29 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:05:29 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005
In-Reply-To: <20040802195919.76457.qmail@web61006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cemdr9+gpeq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sam Edwards 
<hermionesmum at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Aggiepaddy wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Just a quick question, is anyone on here planning on going to Accio 
> 2005 in Reading, Uk?
 

Sam: 
> I'll be going too, although I won't be staying in Reading. I live 
in Oxfordshire so it's fairly close to home. I don't have any RL 
friends who are interested either, including hubby. He'll be left 
babysitting.>>>>>>>>>> 
>


Aggie:
Fantastic!!  I'm hoping that HPfGUs will be having a get together.  
Are the list-elves planning anything? Are any of them coming?
Are you listening??? :o))






From madettebeau at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 01:22:28 2004
From: madettebeau at gmail.com (maa-dee)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:22:28 -0000
Subject: Greetings and salutations!
Message-ID: <cempck+6uon@eGroups.com>

Well, I've been a member of HPfGU for a while...although I'm not a
frequent poster, and I just joined OT-Chatter.

Anyways, I live in Toronto, Canada, and have been kicking myself all
weekend for not being in Ottawa for Convention Alley (so close, yet so
far due to time and money issues).

At the moment I've been having a very hard time finding a good fanfic
to read. Anyone have any ones to recommend at the moment? I'm
generally not big on romantic shippy fics, but I don't mind it when
the overall plot isn't the romance...I guess I'd have to say I enjoy a
healthy combination of humour, romance, and angst. Can't forget the angst.

=)
Maddy
http://www.fanfiction.net/~boredanddelirious
http://www.veritaserum.com/columns/hp-files





From pmills1111 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 01:47:41 2004
From: pmills1111 at yahoo.com (pmills1111)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:47:41 -0000
Subject: Have book 4 & 5's titles been done in the HP font ?
Message-ID: <cemqrt+n492@eGroups.com>

I was just wondering, if there's any site on the net, or any 
merchandise available, that has the 4th and 5th HP book titles, 
printed in the distinctive Harry Potter font and if so, can anyone 
please give a link, or give any info.
 
I don't mean any links to download the HP font, but the book title 
logos already designed in the HP font. 






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Aug  3 02:10:32 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 02:10:32 -0000
Subject: Lewis Carroll's scrapbook online
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15E05219@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <cems6o+7elf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Regan \(Intl 
Vendor\)" <v-tregan at m...> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Just came across this weird web artefact, Lewis Carroll's scrapbook 
is
> online:
> 

Thanks for the link - very interesting. 

I don't recall if I've mentioned it here before, but fans of Lewis 
Carroll might be interested on the musical Boojum! by Australians 
Peter and Martin Wesley-Smith. It draws primarily from the Hunting of 
the Snark, but also mixes in events involving Alice - both the 
Wonderland books and the real life Alice Liddell -  but it's greatest 
conceit is dividing Carroll himself in two - as both the shy retiring 
Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson and the extroverted confident Lewis 
Carroll (the resulting psychological portrait is one of unusual depth 
and complexity, yet one which is also respectful of Carroll). And the 
quality of the verse is worthy of Wonderland:


A frabjous and curious creature
This thing called a Snark we hunt
We know ev'ry sign, ev'ry feature
Ev'ry trick, ev'ry skill, ev'ry stunt 

We know ev'ry Snarkish endeavour
We can answer a Snark-Hunter's quiz
We know that a Snark is quite clever
But we don't really know what it is 

The Hunting of the Snark, oh-ho
The Hunting of the Snark
Our greatest ambition
Our marvellous mission
This grand expedition
The Hunting of the Snark! 

A useful device is the thimble
For protecting our flabby thumbs
For Snarks are so agile and nimble
As they snap with their frumious gums 

And meticulous care is essential
As we start this incredible lark
For without we'd meet with eventual-
-Ly a Boojum disguised as a Snark.... 


 
You can get the full libretto and order the two CD-set here:

http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~mwsmith/boojum!.html

   - CMC






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 03:05:27 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 03:05:27 -0000
Subject: Tom Riddle's Spouting Diary on ebay!
Message-ID: <cemvdn+monp@eGroups.com>

Have you seen this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=60360&item=3831440103&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

A.J.




From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Tue Aug  3 08:07:13 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Timothy Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:07:13 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Accio 2005
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15E43DF4@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

Aggie asked:
>>> Are the list-elves planning anything? <<<

They/we sure are. Take a look at the list of past http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html#5 and present http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html#15 elves in the Humungous Big File. Gwendolyn Grace, the Nimbus 2003 chair, was a list elf. Sheryll Townsend, the Convention Alley chair, is a list elf. Ali Hewison, the Accio 2005 chair, is a list elf etc etc

There are good lists of which events are being endorsed by HPfGU or by the wider fandom at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Convention/ and HPEF http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpef-events/ HPEF are organising The Witching Hour in Salem next year and Lumos 2006 in Vegas the following year.

If you are also after a more low key or informal meeting try the regional lists. They are linked to from The Portkey http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/P.html The regional group nearest my home is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPfGU-London/ and we're probably getting together for some tea and cake at the National Film Theatre caf? on the South Bank on Sunday August the 8th at 2pm. I assume that the other regional lists organise stuff too.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.

PS This is from me in my capacity as me Tim Regan (aka Dumbledad), not me in my capacity as Kroppy Elf. I hope that makes sense.


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From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Aug  3 09:36:56 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:36:56 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15E43DF4@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <cenmbo+8bua@eGroups.com>

> Aggie asked:
> >>> Are the list-elves planning anything? <<<> 


Dumbledad:
>They/we sure are. Take a look at the list of 
>past .http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html#5 and present 
>http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html#15 elves in the Humungous Big 
>File. Gwendolyn Grace, the Nimbus 2003 chair, was a list elf. 
>Sheryll Townsend, the Convention Alley chair, is a list elf. Ali 
>Hewison, the Accio 2005 chair, is a list elf etc etc
> 

Aggie;
Sorry, I don't think I made myself very clear.  I realise that you 
and Ali are organising Accio and Sheryll does her thing over in 
Canada but I meant is HPfGU planning anything where we can all meet 
up at Accio.  I nearly asked you personally as I knew you were part 
of it, but didn't!!!!

The regionals put my nearest one as London too!!  It's only a 3 hr 
car drive away!!! (I have to allow for getting lost!)




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Tue Aug  3 10:25:20 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:25:20 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005
In-Reply-To: <cenmbo+8bua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cenp6g+42ja@eGroups.com>

Aggie asked:

<<< Is HPfGU planning anything where we can all meet 
 up at Accio.  I nearly asked you personally as I knew you were part 
of it, but didn't!!!!
 
The regionals put my nearest one as London too!!  It's only a 3 hr 
car drive away!!! (I have to allow for getting lost!)>>>

Ali:

The short answer is that we haven't officially decided anything yet, 
but the long answer is I'm sure that we will. Over half of the Accio 
committee come from HPfGU so it is very important to us personally 
and of course, HPfGU is sponsoring us. One of the benefits of Accio 
and indeed the other conferences is that you can get to meet the 
people you've seen on the lists, chatted to via email or YM.

In terms of HPfGU, we have wondered about the idea of having HPfGU T-
shirts. If we did, that's certainly something you could wear to 
Accio which would be an easy way to identify your favourite HP chat 
group - although we will be sending out questionnaires to members 
nearer the time so that we can try and introduce you to like minded 
people.

Accio is also using one of the general forums to allow people to 
start up their own regional groups so that they can meet fellow 
members before the conference and maybe travel down together etc. 
These groups can be on a small geographical scale, although I would 
recommend you coming to a London HPfGU meet if you possibly can.

Have a look at the Accio website and the Accio forums which can be 
found at:

http://www.accio.org.uk/           and
http://www.accio.org.uk/forum/

But please feel free to ask questions about Accio - you can either 
ask me directly or ask on the Accio forums or the UK Convention 
Yahoo Group.

Ali




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  3 16:02:23 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:02:23 -0000
Subject: Have book 4 & 5's titles been done in the HP font ?
In-Reply-To: <cemqrt+n492@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ceocuf+3fuq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pmills1111" 
<pmills1111 at y...> wrote:
> I was just wondering, if there's any site on the net, or any 
> merchandise available, that has the 4th and 5th HP book titles, 
> printed in the distinctive Harry Potter font and if so, can anyone 
> please give a link, or give any info.
>  
> I don't mean any links to download the HP font, but the book title 
> logos already designed in the HP font.

Well, the book titles were never designed in the HP-font, other than 
the now familiar logo "Harry Potter"--the rest of the titles were in 
different fonts, but if it's the titles as they appeard on the covers 
of the US-editions you're after, I'd recommend 
http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org

Look under books-->cover art

Sophia




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 17:51:55 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:51:55 -0000
Subject: Have book 4 & 5's titles been done in the HP font ?
In-Reply-To: <ceocuf+3fuq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ceojbr+l847@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...>
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pmills1111" 
> <pmills1111 at y...> wrote:
> > I was just wondering, if there's any site on the net, or any 
> > merchandise available, that has the 4th and 5th HP book titles, 
> > printed in the distinctive Harry Potter font and if so, can anyone 
> > please give a link, or give any info.
> >  
> > I don't mean any links to download the HP font, but the book title 
> > logos already designed in the HP font.
> 
> Well, the book titles were never designed in the HP-font, other than 
> the now familiar logo "Harry Potter"--the rest of the titles were in 
> different fonts, but if it's the titles as they appeard on the covers 
> of the US-editions you're after, I'd recommend 
> http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org
> 
> Look under books-->cover art
> 
> Sophia

I'm assuming you're looking for the font Scholastic uses for chapter
headings, etc? The US covers do not have the titles in this font,
since the cover artist drew them in herself. But inside, the title
pages have the titles in that font. I don't know of any images of them
on the net, though -- maybe someone could scan them in for you?

Annemehr





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 21:03:31 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:03:31 -0000
Subject: Eragon fans
Message-ID: <ceouj3+p9pb@eGroups.com>

Anyone who liked Eragon by Christopher Paolini will be glad to know 
that Amazon is now taking preorders for book 2! It is called Eldest 
(Inheritance Book 2). The bad news is that it won't be out until 
sometime in August 2005. I figure we may have Harry Potter book 6 
before this one!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 21:27:53 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:27:53 -0000
Subject: Eragon fans
In-Reply-To: <ceouj3+p9pb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cep00p+5p6b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> Anyone who liked Eragon by Christopher Paolini will be glad to know 
> that Amazon is now taking preorders for book 2! It is called Eldest 
> (Inheritance Book 2). The bad news is that it won't be out until 
> sometime in August 2005. I figure we may have Harry Potter book 6 
> before this one!
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****



Thanks! I loved this book. I thought it was very fast paced and very 
well written. I think this boy has a lot of talent. The book was 
published when he was what 18? I think he started writing it at 15.

Thanks again,

Alla




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 23:04:20 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:04:20 -0000
Subject: Eragon fans
In-Reply-To: <cep00p+5p6b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cep5lk+e101@eGroups.com>

 
> 
> Thanks! I loved this book. I thought it was very fast paced and 
very well written. I think this boy has a lot of talent. The book 
was published when he was what 18? I think he started writing it at 
15.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Alla

*****\(@@)/*****

I figure his parents said he had to finish college before the book!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From jeopardy18 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 02:39:12 2004
From: jeopardy18 at comcast.net (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:39:12 -0000
Subject: Eragon fans
In-Reply-To: <ceouj3+p9pb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cepi8g+s6eb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> Anyone who liked Eragon by Christopher Paolini will be glad to know 
> that Amazon is now taking preorders for book 2! It is called Eldest 
> (Inheritance Book 2). The bad news is that it won't be out until 
> sometime in August 2005. I figure we may have Harry Potter book 6 
> before this one!
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
Eragon is good, but it is very derivitive of Star Wars. 




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  4 02:52:26 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:52:26 -0000
Subject: Eragon fans
In-Reply-To: <cepi8g+s6eb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cepj1a+qp14@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "seanmulligan2000" <
> Eragon is good, but it is very derivitive of Star Wars.


Alla:

I honestly don't remember that many Star War references. In fact, on 
the top of my head, I don't remember any, but I read the book several 
months ago, so if you could remind me, please?




From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Wed Aug  4 09:15:09 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vinnia?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:15:09 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: Superstition
Message-ID: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

While catching up with the main list email, I came
across a discussion about the superstition of giving
perfume/knife.

Unfortunately I am planning to give my boyfriend some
sort of dagger for his birthday. So...I'm curious, has
anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did you
exchange it with coins? Are you still friends with the
giver?

Thanks :)


Vinnia

Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Aug  4 10:07:30 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 03:07:30 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Superstition
References: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c47a0a$dac016e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Vinnia wrote:

<So...I'm curious, has
anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did
you
exchange it with coins? Are you still friends
with the
giver?>

Well this is easy for me to awnser since I
collect swords, daggers and knives.  Yes I've
been given a sharp pointy object as a gift
(knives included), no I didn't exchange it
with coins (never heard of this before),
er...the person was my mum...but yeah, we're
still friends, best of at the most times
(unless we're in the middle of a store, then
we seem to turn into screaming banshees).

Never been given one by someone not intimately
related to me, though I did give one (well,
set of) to mum's boss (her friend) and we're
still friends evne though I wasn't paid (and
now I feel gypped).



Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  4 10:59:09 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 03:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Superstition
Message-ID: <20040804105909.45546.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>


4Aug04

Vinnia wrote:


"... I came across a discussion about the superstition of giving
perfume/knife.
... So...I'm curious, has
anybody given/been given a knife? ...Are you still friends with the
giver?



Paula now:

Interesting.  I've heard this superstition before, but can't remember all the details.  It's of Russian origin I think.  My ex-husband gave me a Swiss Army Knife as a wedding present, we divorced 2 years later, on fairly good terms, but definitely a clean break.  Maybe it's worthwhile to think before giving a boyfriend a knife--*grin*.

Paula Gaon




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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 14:49:21 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:49:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Superstition
References: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009701c47a32$3a2b5b90$e60b8f45@Voov>

My life partner gave me a beautiful pocket knife, but I wonder if the
circumstances made it count in that way.  See, we saw the thing in a
catalog, I went nuts over it, and she said she'd buy it for me, and she did.
I can tell you, there's no way we're going to break up.  So what's the deal
with perfume?  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Aug  4 16:18:42 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:18:42 -0000
Subject: Superstition
In-Reply-To: <009701c47a32$3a2b5b90$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cer292+d5sm@eGroups.com>

"Firedancer" <firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
[snip]
> So what's the deal with perfume?

My wife's favourite joke (or at least from the selection of which I
actually find funny, don't ask about the highjacking cat :-):

Q.: Why do women wear makeup and perfume?
A.: Because they're ugly and they smell! (badoom, cha!)
[that's a bass drum and a high-hat for those without the optional
sound-effect extension :-]

Maybe in some cultures giving a present to make the recipient smell
better is taken as some kind of slur on how they smell now?

HTH HAND
-- 
Phil




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  4 16:29:18 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:29:18 -0000
Subject: Superstition
In-Reply-To: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cer2su+51sv@eGroups.com>

 Vinnia wrote:
> 
 So...I'm curious, has
> anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did you
> exchange it with coins? Are you still friends with the
> giver?


Not me personally, but my best friend's boyfriend gave her a dagger 
with a mermaid on it about three months ago.  She didn't really like 
the dagger, thought it was sort of tacky, but she married the guy 
just two days past.

Erin




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  4 16:33:34 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:33:34 -0000
Subject: JKR.com - August '04 edition (was) Happy Birthday Harry!
In-Reply-To: <20040801220758.47775.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cer34u+frj3@eGroups.com>

 
> Paula wrote:
> 
> Humm, but why would hags need to be reformed?  I've never 
understood why they have such a bad reputation.  Actually, don't they 
just exist in men's imaginations--guys have to conjure up a hag to 
keep from being controlled by a Veela.


Erin:  
In the HP world, they seem to be real creatures, distinct from 
witches.  They are mentioned in Fantastic Beasts as eating small 
children.  

Erin




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Aug  4 17:18:27 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:18:27 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Superstition
References: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c47a47$0e7100d0$bcde6251@kathryn>




> Hi all,
>
> While catching up with the main list email, I came
> across a discussion about the superstition of giving
> perfume/knife.
>
> Unfortunately I am planning to give my boyfriend some
> sort of dagger for his birthday. So...I'm curious, has
> anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did you
> exchange it with coins? Are you still friends with the
> giver?
>
> Thanks :)
>
>
> Vinnia
>

When I went off to uni my grandmother gave me her spare set of cutlery - and
made me 'pay' her a few pence for it. Don't know if this helps because we
never really got on *before* the gift!

My ex used to collect weapons though and I don't think his friend made him
pay for the dagger he got him in Spain - they're still friends, although not
as close due to geography rather than any kind of quarrel.

K




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 17:38:49 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:38:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Superstition
References: <cer292+d5sm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <030c01c47a49$e713c3d0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, my gosh, the mind reels.  And what if someone gave me a shirt because
they thought I didn't have a thing to wear.  Could I get a few more denim or
corduroy shirts that way?  Now who could I put a guilt trip on, now.  Let's
see. ... June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Aug  4 19:53:41 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:53:41 -0000
Subject: Hags Was Re: JKR.com - August '04 edition (was) Happy Birthday Harry!
In-Reply-To: <cer34u+frj3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ceres5+488r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> 
wrote:
>  
> > Paula wrote:
> > 
> > Humm, but why would hags need to be reformed?  I've never 
> understood why they have such a bad reputation.  Actually, don't 
> they just exist in men's imaginations--guys have to conjure up a 
> hag to keep from being controlled by a Veela.
> 
> 
> Erin:  
> In the HP world, they seem to be real creatures, distinct from 
> witches.  They are mentioned in Fantastic Beasts as eating small 
> children.  

And in PoA Harry spots someone in a balaclava eating raw liver (yuk!)
in the Leaky Cauldron, and thinks she looks 'suspiciously like a 
hag'.

One of Lockhart's books (mentioned in CoS) is 'Holidays with Hags'. 
While he made up his involvement, most of the Lockhart stories 
genuinely happened to someone. So, yes, I'd agree with Erin that 
hags are distinct creatures in the Wizarding World. Fantastic Beasts 
seems to regard them as non-human intelligent creatures.  

Pip!Squeak




From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Aug  4 20:03:00 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:03:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Notice of discontinued thread
In-Reply-To: <cecolf+86k7@eGroups.com>
References: <410A3053.27624.3170B06@localhost> <cecolf+86k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1338.4.47.27.227.1091649780.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

hpfgu_elves said:
> Esteemed List-Muggles:
>
> Please be advised that the thread "No responses on the main list
> (Was: Wizarding Education)" should be continued on HPfGU-Feedback.
>
> Thank you for your cooperation!

Yeah, I'm that far behind on email but I did do a search to see if any
replies were sent on this.

'Should be', however, list members don't have to move this discussion to
another list.  I was under the impression OTChatter was fairly open to an
assortment of topics?  Dunno, I think just seeing admin stepping in on
this here made me go 'huh' because then I start getting paranoid about
topics.

Folks are going to vent any way you put it, and sometimes, they don't want
admin 'raining on their rantfest'. {shrug}  I just scan and delete because
it's mostly 'hot air' with unsatisfactory alternatives being voiced.  I
don't read the FB list because I'm *buried* under lists, not even
including the LJ entries that come in by the hundreds per day... forget
forums by this point.

Dina




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  4 21:11:04 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:11:04 -0000
Subject: Superstition
In-Reply-To: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cerjd8+p2ui@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Vinnia 
<vinnia_chrysshallie at y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> While catching up with the main list email, I came
> across a discussion about the superstition of giving
> perfume/knife.
> 
> Unfortunately I am planning to give my boyfriend some
> sort of dagger for his birthday. So...I'm curious, has
> anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did you
> exchange it with coins? Are you still friends with the
> giver?
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> 
> Vinnia
> 
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Lots of knife giving in this southern family of mine and nothing bad 
has happened to the relationships.

However, my dad had a superstition about borrowing a pocket knife.  
If you were handed the knife open, you would return it open.  If you 
were handed the knife closed, you would return it closed.  Not sure 
why, and he passed away 5 years ago so I can't ask him.  

Julie




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Aug  4 21:18:42 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:18:42 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Notice of discontinued thread
References: <410A3053.27624.3170B06@localhost> <cecolf+86k7@eGroups.com> <1338.4.47.27.227.1091649780.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <00c101c47a68$9f1d46e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<'Should be', however, list members don't have
to move this discussion to
another list.  I was under the impression
OTChatter was fairly open to an
assortment of topics?>

The thread was moved because -Feedback was the
most appropriate place for the thread.  Yes,
OTChatter is open to a wide range of topics
(that's why it is OTChatter), -Feedback is the
list for bringing up concerns about list
administration and suggest ideas to better
serve the list.  The thread in question fit
those guidelines and it was seen that moving
the thread would better serve the thread
itself.

<Folks are going to vent any way you put it,
and sometimes, they don't want
admin 'raining on their rantfest'.>

Yes, people will vent, people have always
vented.   But we're not 'raining on their
rantfest', we're just asking that they move it
to the more appropriate forum where their
concerns can be better noticed.  Each list has
it's purpose, and posting something to the
appropriate list lets it get better
recognized.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Aug  4 21:59:28 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:59:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Notice of discontinued thread
In-Reply-To: <00c101c47a68$9f1d46e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <410A3053.27624.3170B06@localhost> <cecolf+86k7@eGroups.com>
    <1338.4.47.27.227.1091649780.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <00c101c47a68$9f1d46e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1496.4.47.27.227.1091656768.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> <Folks are going to vent any way you put it,
> and sometimes, they don't want
> admin 'raining on their rantfest'.>
>
> Yes, people will vent, people have always
> vented.   But we're not 'raining on their
> rantfest', we're just asking that they move it
> to the more appropriate forum where their
> concerns can be better noticed.  Each list has
> it's purpose, and posting something to the
> appropriate list lets it get better
> recognized.

Err, I don't think some folk want their concerns 'better recognized'...
Rantfests can be partly irrational.

For example, if I was to complain about FA's navigation, sure, it'd be
better addressed with FA's support, but even I know I'd be wasting the
staff's time because I know they're already trying their best... I just
need to vent, so I wouldn't want any FA staff to 'usher' me to the correct
forum.

I've read over the suggestions, and I think some folk know their
'solutions' bring a new set of problems but they still throw out these
suggestions because frustration can cause irrational 'logic'.  I'm under
the impression a number of the complaints and suggestions are coming from
'veterans', who should probably already know about the feedback list.

Dina




From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Aug  4 22:54:29 2004
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:54:29 -0000
Subject: Garth Nix/Philip Pullman
Message-ID: <cerpf5+78d7@eGroups.com>


Hello everybody. I have been on this list for almost 2 years and I 
think this is the sixth or seventh time I post. Well, I am de-
lurking here because I want to know about Garth Nix's Keys to the 
Kingdom series or The Seventh Tower series. Have any of you read 
them? I read the Sabriel trilogy which I liked a lot and I would 
like to know if Nix's other series are as good. Any recommendations 
would be appreciated.

I just finished reading His Dark Materials and I have to say that I 
regret not having read those books before; it took me a long time to 
decide to read them and now I am glad I did (the bright side of this 
is that I didn't have to wait for any of the books of the trilogy to 
be published *grin*) I know that a lot of people here have read 
Philip Pullman and I was wondering if the Sally Lockhart books are 
as wonderful as HDM. What about Lyra's Oxford? (I think that one 
came after HDM). Again, if any of you could tell me about these 
authors' work I would appreciate it. 

Gabriela





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  4 23:12:00 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:12:00 -0000
Subject: Garth Nix/Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <cerpf5+78d7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cerqg0+gntr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gabriela" <gabolamx at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody. I have been on this list for almost 2 years and I 
> think this is the sixth or seventh time I post. Well, I am de-
> lurking here because I want to know about Garth Nix's Keys to the 
> Kingdom series or The Seventh Tower series. Have any of you read 
> them? I read the Sabriel trilogy which I liked a lot and I would 
> like to know if Nix's other series are as good. Any recommendations 
> would be appreciated.


Hi, Gabriela!

I heard a lot about Garth Nix, but I haven't read anything by this 
writer yet, unfortunately.

I guess these books will be the next one to buy for me

 
Gabriela:
 
> I just finished reading His Dark Materials and I have to say that I 
> regret not having read those books before; it took me a long time 
to 
> decide to read them and now I am glad I did (the bright side of 
this 
> is that I didn't have to wait for any of the books of the trilogy 
to 
> be published *grin*) 


Alla:

You know, when I finished reading "His Dark Materials" I realised 
that I enjoyed this trilogy immensely, but I also realised that I 
will never open these books again.
I am an avid reader, who can reread her favourite books quite a few 
times, but this trilogy ended too... I don't know, I guess hopeless 
for me.

I did not want a sappy ending, but I also did not want so blatantly 
anti-religious ending, I suppose.

I am not a very religious person, but I definitely believe in some 
kind of higher authority out there. Pulman seems to be very 
aetheistic person(judging by his book only, of course), which is his 
absolute right to be, but not exactly my cup of tea.


But I definitely found this trilogy to be quite powerful. I could not 
stop reading when I picked up the first book




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Aug  5 02:00:41 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:00:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Superstition
In-Reply-To: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEPCDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Vinnia wrote]:
| Hi all,
|
| While catching up with the main list email, I came
| across a discussion about the superstition of giving
| perfume/knife.
|
| Unfortunately I am planning to give my boyfriend some
| sort of dagger for his birthday. So...I'm curious, has
| anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did you
| exchange it with coins? Are you still friends with the
| giver?

[Lee]:
<LOL>
For my fifth anniversary when I worked for AT&T Bell Labs, one of the gifts
one could choose was a lovely pocket knife with the original "Golden Boy"
logo on it...probably valuable now.  Anyway, my supervisor kept trying to
dissuade me by offering me one of the bracelets in gold tone or something
like that.  I told her that if I wanted a bracelet, I would want real gold
or real silver and not some tone thereof, and I did want the knife.

So, I got the knife.  She came in and said, "Happy anniversary...I think??"
<Grin>

I love that knife; we kept in touch for some time until she moved and then
lost touch, but we did remain friends after the knife.

I discourage people from giving me perfume unless they *Really* know what I
like because of allergies. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Aug  5 02:02:44 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:02:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Superstition
In-Reply-To: <cer2su+51sv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEPCDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Just thinking...I hadn't heard of any superstitions regarding giving of
knives, etc.  The only knife thing I can think of is in setting of table; if
the sharp of the blade points inward toward the plate, you are welcome in
the house, but if the sharp of the blade points outward, beware.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  5 02:34:19 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:34:19 -0000
Subject: Jesus, Mary and DaVinci airing now
Message-ID: <ces6bb+801h@eGroups.com>

Is anyone else watching this show right now?  They just mentioned 
that they found the Dossier Secrets in the late 1960s, with 
something called "Priori Zion".  It's a list of creative thinkers, 
authors I recognized, and artist from the time of DaVinci.  I saw 
the name Nicholas Flamel on there and thought, how cool!

>From what I gather, it was a secret society that they all belonged 
to.  Science = heresy back then, so they had to keep it secret.  

Is that interesting, or what??  I'm going to watch the rest of it.  
I wonder if JKR knew all that after researching Nicholas Flamel.  
I've read a bit about him, but I  never knew that.  

Alora :)




From lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug  5 08:22:31 2004
From: lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:22:31 -0000
Subject: Superstition
In-Reply-To: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cesqo7+1176a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Vinnia 
<vinnia_chrysshallie at y...> wrote:
> So...I'm curious, has
> anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did you
> exchange it with coins? Are you still friends with the
> giver?
> 

Hi Vinnia,

my sister has given me a very nice cooking knife for one of my 
birthdays, I did not pay her and there has been no change in our 
relationship - although I would not call it friendship at some 
times ; )
On another occasion the mother of my boyfriend has given me a small 
meat chopper (yes I love cooking tools, especially good knifes etc. 
*grin*) as a birthday present, and I did not 'pay' her either 
and here again, no change in the relationship.

So I guess as the centaurs would probably say, caution might be wise, 
but there is no 'such and such will definitely happen'.

good luck
Sandra




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Aug  5 11:26:26 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:26:26 -0000
Subject: Garth Nix/Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <cerpf5+78d7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cet5h2+6985@eGroups.com>

Gabriela wrote:

> I know that a lot of people here have read 
> Philip Pullman and I was wondering if the Sally Lockhart books are 
> as wonderful as HDM. What about Lyra's Oxford? (I think that one 
> came after HDM). 

I haven't read Lyra's Oxford yet, but I have read the Lockhart 
books.  I think they are very good, though quite different from 
HDM.  The third one (The Tiger in the Well) is particularly 
memorable.  Although they have definite fantastic elements, they are 
not really fantasy - reminiscent of Conan Doyle and Joan Aiken.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Aug  5 11:38:53 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:38:53 -0000
Subject: Jesus, Mary and DaVinci airing now
In-Reply-To: <ces6bb+801h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cet68d+g078@eGroups.com>

Alora :

> Is anyone else watching this show right now?  They just mentioned 
> that they found the Dossier Secrets in the late 1960s, with 
> something called "Priori Zion".  It's a list of creative thinkers, 
> authors I recognized, and artist from the time of DaVinci.  I saw 
> the name Nicholas Flamel on there and thought, how cool!
> 
> From what I gather, it was a secret society that they all belonged 
> to.  Science = heresy back then, so they had to keep it secret.  

I tend to the view that any sentence containing the words 'secret' 
and 'Zion' is 99.9% likely to be tripe, unless it came from a 
television programme, in which case the figure is 99.99%.  I leave 
it to Zeno of Elea to decide what to do with *that* sentence.

I don't think 'science' as such was ever considered heresy by the 
church, certainly not in Flamel's time when it was not really 
understood as something different from other types of philosophy.  
Later, some specific scientific findings were declared heretical, I 
think.

David




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  5 13:18:08 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:18:08 -0000
Subject: Jesus, Mary and DaVinci airing now
In-Reply-To: <cet68d+g078@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cetc2g+ulbi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:

> I tend to the view that any sentence containing the words 'secret' 
> and 'Zion' is 99.9% likely to be tripe, unless it came from a 
> television programme, in which case the figure is 99.99%.  

It was a television program.  I guess I should have mentioned 
that. ;)  

 
> I don't think 'science' as such was ever considered heresy by the 
> church, certainly not in Flamel's time when it was not really 
> understood as something different from other types of philosophy. 

Well, after watching all of the show, it ended up being about a 
secret society that (they believe)  protected the bloodline of 
Jesus. By "they"  I mean the scholars of that time.  It was really, 
really interesting, and tied the bloodlines of King Arthur to Jesus 
and the royal french bloodline.  I think that the heresy part had to 
do with the fact that they might have believed that Jesus and Mary 
Magdalene were married and that they had children, which the 
Catholic church at the time considered heresy.  Let's just say it 
sent me on the internet looking up things I had never considered 
before, and I found interesting things.  I love shows that make me 
curious!  Anyway, I'm off to discover more! :D

Alora :)

 





From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  5 13:18:46 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:18:46 -0000
Subject: Jesus, Mary and DaVinci airing now
In-Reply-To: <ces6bb+801h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cetc3m+coun@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie"
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> Is anyone else watching this show right now?  They just mentioned 
> that they found the Dossier Secrets in the late 1960s, with 
> something called "Priori Zion".  It's a list of creative thinkers, 
> authors I recognized, and artist from the time of DaVinci.  I saw 
> the name Nicholas Flamel on there and thought, how cool!

Just a note:  The group is actually called "Priori Scion". 

It is a very interesting story, and I'd suggest picking up "The
DaVinci Code" if you haven't already read it.  It's fiction, but it's
got lots of non-fic information about the Priori Scion, DaVinci, and
the theory that Mary Magdelene is the Holy Grail.

:: Entropy ::




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  5 16:49:48 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:49:48 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
Message-ID: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>

It seems that I run into Harry Potter fans that are also Star trek 
fans.  Just because I am very curious, are there any ST fans that 
are a part of this HPfGU group?  

I LOVED Next Generation, Deep Space Nine was "okay", and Voyager was 
my favorite.  I also have all the movies with the original cast and 
the Picard ones.  

Any others out there besides me?

Alora :)




From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Thu Aug  5 17:44:35 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:44:35 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
References: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <41127203.9010301@colinogilvie.co.uk>

chrisnlorrie wrote:

>Any others out there besides me?
>  
>
Yes. Fan of The Next Generation (and movies featuring Jean Luc Picard) 
and Voyager. Also quite like "The Original Series" and Enterprise is OK. 
Can't stand Deep Space Nine though.

-- 
Regards,

Colin





From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Aug  5 17:59:22 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
References: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1377.4.12.232.16.1091728762.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

chrisnlorrie said:

> I LOVED Next Generation, Deep Space Nine was "okay", and Voyager was
> my favorite.  I also have all the movies with the original cast and
> the Picard ones.
>
> Any others out there besides me?

I was into the Trek fandom from ~1987-88 to 2001.  Reruns of The Original
Series (AKA TOS on alt.startrek) hooked me.  Didn't dig TNG until the
second or third season.  Same thing happened with DS9, but with Voyager, I
was hooked on the Trek franchise by then to catch the premiere but lost
interest around season six of VOY and never bothered with the most recent
incarnation, Enterprise.  I've seen all the ST movies, except for Nemesis.

Speaking of DS9, ahh, I have some fond memories because I met the actors
at the last Weekend on the Promenade convention (accidently 'insulted' an
actor by being honest--a definite Polaroid moment--and had another actor
email me via the event coordinator because he was curious about a partial
sentence I slipped on) and a number of DS9 slashers, especially
Garak/Bashir (*Pocketbooks* actually published a heavily gay subtext scene
between them in one book), transitioned over to become prominent
writers/artists/archivists of Gryffindor/Slytherin slash pairings.  I've
gotten some emails where HP folks were like 'I know you but you may not
remember me from the Trek fandom'.

On reflection, I don't know which series out of TNG/DS9/VOY I'd consider
my favorite.  I'll always have some warm fuzzies for the original series.

There are a multitude of fannish 'crossovers' from various fandoms.

Dina




From michel56 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  5 18:05:32 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:05:32 -0400
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
Message-ID: <004a01c47b16$ccb30dc0$30726e18@earthlink.net>



chrisnlorrie wrote:

>Any others out there besides me?
>  
>
Yes. Fan of The Next Generation (and movies featuring Jean Luc Picard) 
and Voyager. Also quite like "The Original Series" and Enterprise is OK. 
Can't stand Deep Space Nine though.

-- 
Regards,
Colin


Now Michele:

Funny, I could have written exactly this myself.  I loved and still love The Next Generation ( and I am actually watching a repeat on right now) .  I liked Voyager, though not as much as TNG.  I can remember watching the original Star Trek with my dad when I was a little girl.  I try to catch Enterprise whenever I can, but I will always pass on DS9!  Never really got into that one.

Michele 

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Aug  5 18:06:20 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:06:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEPFDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

From: chrisnlorrie
|
| It seems that I run into Harry Potter fans that are also Star trek
| fans.  Just because I am very curious, are there any ST fans that
| are a part of this HPfGU group?

[Lee]:
Ah--but of course! :-)

I go back to the original series...one of the die-hard original fans who was
introduced to the idea of filking in 1979.

I liked TNG pretty much, but the finale was a bit of an anticlimax.  Well, I
can say the same for Voyager's last ep...started out well and ended with
more of a whimper than a majestic bang, what I call a "slammed ending" where
they try to wrap it up quick because of time constraints and just do a
horrid job.

Unfortunately, I saw many--too many--inconsistency things in voyager that
just about made me as an analytical fan tear my hair out.

I liked the first two seasons of DS9, but never watched the rest when the
whole Dominion thing took off.

Enterprise...I survived half the first season and just let it go.  The
Vulcan science officer just didn't ring--uh--truly Vulcan.

The movies...well, ST 2:Wrath of Kahn, and ST 4:Homeward Bound (is that the
title?)...those were really good.  The rest were--uh--okay to bad.

Now, are there any Battlestar Galactica fans out there?  Especially, any who
saw and hated the Ron Moore remake as much as I did? <Evil Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Aug  5 18:49:33 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:49:33 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEPFDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c47b1c$f3170790$bcde6251@kathryn>

Lee :-)

>
> Enterprise...I survived half the first season and just let it go.  The
> Vulcan science officer just didn't ring--uh--truly Vulcan.
>

Oh please the Vulcan bird does more emoting than any two of the rest of the
crew in Enterprise! But Malcolm more than makes up for it for me. Plus
Porthos is adorable - Jon Archer is OK in my book, *anyone* who insistes on
taking their dog with them into space is OK by me. I wonder though how and
when the writers found out that Malcolm (no good with names, I can usually
remember characters but not actors) could do a reasonable impression of Trip
and whether the scene in the pilot where he does came first or the
impression did.

> The movies...well, ST 2:Wrath of Kahn, and ST 4:Homeward Bound (is that
the
> title?)...those were really good.  The rest were--uh--okay to bad.
>

Homeward Bound is the thing with those lost pets making their way across
America - and while it was certainly better than some of the Trek films I
think you mean the Voyage Home ;)  ST6 is good too I think, and 2 & 3 should
probably be looked on as one *really* long film, 5 & 1 were utterly
forgettable though, and I like the NextGen films OK (although I didn't see
the last one).

> Now, are there any Battlestar Galactica fans out there?  Especially, any
who
> saw and hated the Ron Moore remake as much as I did? <Evil Grin>
>

I've seen some of the original - and I do like it, I have read the two (or
possibly first two if there are more that I don't know about) books -
they're suprisingly good. Have considered downloading the remake (OK naughty
I know but while I'm curious I'm not curious enough to spend actual money on
it)

K




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:58:42 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:58:42 -0000
Subject: Lewis Carroll's scrapbook online
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15E05219@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <ceu3hi+ed98@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Regan \(Intl
Vendor\)" <v-tregan at m...> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Just came across this weird web artefact, Lewis Carroll's scrapbook is
> online:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6ylso
> http://international.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lchtml&fileName=lc001
> /lchtmllc001.db&recNum=0
> 
> It's interesting from a kid's literature perspective, containing
> "approximately 130 items, including newspaper clippings, photographs,
> and a limited number of manuscript materials, collected between
> 1855-72", though the pages I looked at were mostly newspaper clippings.
> 
> Roll on the day when we have access to JKR's notes online!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dumbledad


Wow! I found that really interesting. I like Lewis Caroll's books very
much, despite having lived with the "Alice in Wonderland" joke for
over 21 years...
Love, Alice




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Aug  5 23:49:44 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Jo Raggett)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:49:44 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ceuh2o+a3vh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> It seems that I run into Harry Potter fans that are also Star trek 
> fans.  Just because I am very curious, are there any ST fans that 
> are a part of this HPfGU group?  
> 
> I LOVED Next Generation, Deep Space Nine was "okay", and Voyager 
was 
> my favorite.  I also have all the movies with the original cast and 
> the Picard ones.  
> 
> Any others out there besides me?
> 
> Alora :)

Aggie:
Loved Star Trek!  Wouldn't watch TNG when it first came out though, 
out of loyalty to the original series!! ;o)

Needless to say, that didn't last forever!  Think I've watched every 
TNG episode AND Voyager (my favourite too!).  DS9 I liked, but 
preferred it when the Dominion plot took over - think it was because 
it got a bit darker then.  Loved the Worf/Dax marriage!  Those two 
just creased me up!  

Watched first series of Enterprise, but my boyfriend at the time 
didn't like that kinda stuff so couldn't get into it as much!

Not into the films as much though.

So you're not on your own!!

Wonder if it's the 'whole other life' scenario that makes us love 
things like Star Trek and Harry Potter.  I know I would *love* to 
have lived on Voyager, or to be part of the WW!  Maybe it's just an 
escapism mechanism for us all!




From ithildin at ondragonswing.com  Fri Aug  6 01:26:10 2004
From: ithildin at ondragonswing.com (Ithildin)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:26:10 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805182232.0329bbe8@mail.ondragonswing.com>

At 04:49 PM 8/5/2004 +0000, chrisnlorrie wrote:
>It seems that I run into Harry Potter fans that are also Star trek
>fans.  Just because I am very curious, are there any ST fans that
>are a part of this HPfGU group?

<waves> me!  I love the Original, Next Gen, Deep Space 9, but could never 
get into Voyager. I watch Enterprise when I remember it's on. I actually 
write fic that takes place in the ST universe crossed with Highlander and 
Forever Knight in a series with other writers called "Bloodties".

I was always fond of Sarek, and Picard can read a phone book to me any day :)


Ith ~ ithildin at ondragonswing.com ~ Denise
_____________________________________
It ain't worth the pain of trying to hold you
You're like barbed wire & roses
You're like barbed wire & roses ~ Pinmonkey
_____________________________________
Bloodties Archive: http://ondragonswing.com/tales/bloodties.htm




From suzchiles at pobox.com  Fri Aug  6 01:37:50 2004
From: suzchiles at pobox.com (Suzanne)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:37:50 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805182232.0329bbe8@mail.ondragonswing.com>
Message-ID: <000001c47b55$fc955c20$0400a8c0@domain.actdsltmp>

Wouldn't it be great if Patrick Stewart wound up in one the Harry Potter
films? With two books to go, the perfect character for his talents may
yet emerge.

Suzanne, who also loves TNG and Voyager very much!


Ithildin  said:
> 
> I was always fond of Sarek, and Picard can read a phone book 
> to me any day :)




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  6 02:05:45 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:05:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <000001c47b55$fc955c20$0400a8c0@domain.actdsltmp>
Message-ID: <20040806020545.3559.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com>

oooooohhhhhhh......

I **love** Patrick Stewart!  I can't think of a character for him right
now, but....ooohhhhh....I like the way you think!

MJ


--- Suzanne <suzchiles at pobox.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't it be great if Patrick Stewart wound up in one the Harry Potter
> films? With two books to go, the perfect character for his talents may
> yet emerge.
> 
> Suzanne, who also loves TNG and Voyager very much!
> 
> 
> Ithildin  said:
> > 
> > I was always fond of Sarek, and Picard can read a phone book 
> > to me any day :)
> 
> 


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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Aug  6 03:54:18 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 03:54:18 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <20040806020545.3559.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ceuvda+rbo1@eGroups.com>

I think Patrick Stewart would have been good as Mad-Eye Moody. He is 
known primarily as a very centered, controlled character, but he can 
be over-the-top quite handsomely.
MsT.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> oooooohhhhhhh......
> 
> I **love** Patrick Stewart!  I can't think of a character for him 
right
> now, but....ooohhhhh....I like the way you think!
> 
> MJ





From risako at nexusanime.com  Fri Aug  6 11:46:51 2004
From: risako at nexusanime.com (Melissa McCarthy)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:46:51 -0300
Subject: "Hogwarts, a History"... for sale?!
Message-ID: <002601c47bab$104fb620$6401a8c0@default>

Found this at http://money.cnn.com/2001/10/24/saving/harrypotter/ :
"...visit harrypotter.warnerbros.com.  There you'll find the list of supplies that young Harry himself uses in his first year at Hogwarts (prep school for wizards).  "The Standard Book of Spells (Grade 1)," "Hogwarts (A History)," "From Egg to Inferno: A Dragon Keeper's Guide," and "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" are all available.  With these books, you can home-school yourself in the arcane ways of the wizard class."

Okay, now, I have Fantastic Beasts, and I have Quidditch Through the Ages, but these others I've not heard of.  Warner Bros' site isn't loading quite properly for me, so I can't tell if they still have this, if they're books for sale or online articles or cruel hoaxes or what.  I also don't know if all this stuff will still be on there.  It's an old article, from 2001.  If anyone knows anything more about this, please tell me!  What I wouldn't give to be able to read "Hogwarts, a History"....

Melissa, suspicious but hopeful


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From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  6 12:41:59 2004
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:41:59 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEPFDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cevuan+ivvh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
>
> Now, are there any Battlestar Galactica fans out there?  
Especially, any who
> saw and hated the Ron Moore remake as much as I did? <Evil Grin>
> 
*snazzzybird waves hand* Me!  Me!  I looooooved the original 
Battlestar Galactica, and was bitterly disappointed when it was 
cancelled.  I can even remember renting the whole series from the 
video store and watching it, several years after it went off the 
air.  

As for the remake, I tried to give it a chance -- but just couldn't 
stand it.

--snazzzybird, who still says "Oh, frack!" occasionally




From sternel at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 12:53:57 2004
From: sternel at gmail.com (Sternel)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:53:57 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cetofc+3mv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cevv15+8928@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> It seems that I run into Harry Potter fans that are also Star trek 
> fans.  Just because I am very curious, are there any ST fans that 
> are a part of this HPfGU group?  
> 
> I LOVED Next Generation, Deep Space Nine was "okay", and Voyager 
was 
> my favorite.  I also have all the movies with the original cast and 
> the Picard ones.  
> 
> Any others out there besides me?
> 
> Alora :)

Hee!  Good heavens, no!  Trek was my first fandom; my aunt got me 
hooked when I was 11.  I very clearly remember sitting in the kitchen 
of her apartment in Brooklyn with her, and drinking chocolate milk, 
and watching the 'Stratagema' episode of TNG:  hook, line, and 
sinker.  I am a huge devotee of TNG (There was a time when I knew 
episode titles, first airing dates, *and* production order...not sure 
how many times I read the Compendium, but it's at least 47 =D), and 
I'm fond of TOS and of DS9, until they killed off Dax.  I watched 
VOY, but only halfheartedly after the third season or so, I just 
really never got into it as much.  I really can't stand Enterprise.  
I nearly choked on my drink watching the premiere 
(the 'decontamination' scene pretty much set the tone of the series, 
to my mind, and that's not what Trek's about, IMHO) and gave up on 
the spot. Even Scott Bakula isn't enough to rescue it for me.  

Incidentally, I'm a member of my campus' sff student union (we are 
called the Science Fiction Forum, and we help run ICon every year at 
SUNY Stony Brook), which attracts fandoms of every shape and size, 
and it's pretty much universally agreed that Trek is the 'starter' 
fandom for those of my generation and older.  I'm beginning to see 
signs that HP is taking over that 'starter' position in the 
young'uns, which is gladdening to this fangirl's heart.  

Anyway... ::waves to Alora, and everyone else who's decloaked::  
Q'uapla!  =)





From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  6 13:27:22 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:27:22 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek  Picard
In-Reply-To: <000001c47b55$fc955c20$0400a8c0@domain.actdsltmp>
Message-ID: <cf00vq+gp7q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" <suzchiles at p...> 
wrote:
> Wouldn't it be great if Patrick Stewart wound up in one the Harry 
Potter
> films? With two books to go, the perfect character for his talents 
may
> yet emerge.
> 
> Suzanne, who also loves TNG and Voyager very much!


YES!  I ADORE Patrick Stewart - sexiest bald man alive, I tell you!  
It would be great if he ended up with a Harry Potter part.  Well, 
great to me, I guess *L*.  He might not want to! :D

Alora :)




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  6 13:25:38 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:25:38 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans Worf/Dax
In-Reply-To: <ceuh2o+a3vh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf00si+lsvg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jo Raggett" <aggie at r...> 
wrote:

 Loved the Worf/Dax marriage!  Those two 
> just creased me up!  


Me, too!  Worf is always funny to me ;).  I love Michael Dorn and he 
just brought my favorite Klingon to life.  I love how Dax was his 
equal.  

> 
> Watched first series of Enterprise, but my boyfriend at the time 
> didn't like that kinda stuff so couldn't get into it as much!


For some reason I cannot get into "Enterprise."  I don't know why.  
I guess it's like the whole Star Wars prequel thing.  I don't want 
them trying to tell me a story that has already happened - it's just 
me, though. 
 
> Wonder if it's the 'whole other life' scenario that makes us love 
> things like Star Trek and Harry Potter.  I know I would *love* to 
> have lived on Voyager, or to be part of the WW!  Maybe it's just 
an 
> escapism mechanism for us all!


I've wondered about that myself!  Voyager was my favorite of all the 
series (Janeway!  Janeway!!) and *ahem* Lt. Paris my hottie on 
board.  I'm always thinking how cool it would be to go to a 
completely different type of world.  Not a scary one with all scary 
aliens, but one like ST, of course ;).  Now, the wizard world I 
would take, Voldemort and all.  I love what JKR has created!

Alora :)




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  6 13:36:25 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:36:25 -0000
Subject: HP/Star Trek
In-Reply-To: <cevv15+8928@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf01gp+7imn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sternel" <sternel at g...> 
wrote:

Hee!  Good heavens, no!  Trek was my first fandom; my aunt got me 
> hooked when I was 11.  I very clearly remember sitting in the 
kitchen 
> of her apartment in Brooklyn with her, and drinking chocolate 
milk, 
> and watching the 'Stratagema' episode of TNG:  hook, line, and 
> sinker.  

I love that one!  Data: "I busted him up!"  Great episode.  I have 
that ST book, too, and I have made it a point to expose all my kids 
to ST.  The oldest is turning into a fanatic, which is funny, 
because I have to tell him sometimes, "Honey, I am so tired of 
hearing about Galaxy class starships.  Can we talk about something 
else?" ;D  I've created a monster.


>I am a huge devotee of TNG (There was a time when I knew 
> episode titles, first airing dates, *and* production order...not 
sure 
> how many times I read the Compendium, but it's at least 47 =D), 

I remember when the last ep aired, I was devastated.  I was 
thinking, "What am I going to watch NOW?"  It was terrible.  But, 
then, Voyager came along and Tom Paris stole my heart.  And I loved 
Janeway!

 
> I'm fond of TOS and of DS9, until they killed off Dax.  

Ahh, Dax.  Loved Terry Ferrel - she was WOrf's equal.  I never did 
like the next Dax.  Thank heavens it was only for the last season.

> I really can't stand Enterprise.  
> I nearly choked on my drink watching the premiere 
> (the 'decontamination' scene pretty much set the tone of the 
series, 
> to my mind, and that's not what Trek's about, IMHO) and gave up on 
> the spot. Even Scott Bakula isn't enough to rescue it for me.  


I know!  I feel the same way!  I watched that scene and 
thought, "Oh, no, here we go."  It like they have to have a 
voluptuous female in a tight suit just to please the demographics.  
Scott Bakula is great and I loved him in "Quantum Leap,"  but I just 
can't watch Enterprise.


Alora :)





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Aug  6 15:51:55 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:51:55 -0000
Subject: HP/Star Trek
In-Reply-To: <cf01gp+7imn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf09er+8vbp@eGroups.com>

> > I really can't stand Enterprise.  
> > I nearly choked on my drink watching the premiere 
> > (the 'decontamination' scene pretty much set the tone of the 
> series, 
> > to my mind, and that's not what Trek's about, IMHO) and gave up 
on 
> > the spot. Even Scott Bakula isn't enough to rescue it for me.  
> 
> 
> I know!  I feel the same way!  I watched that scene and 
> thought, "Oh, no, here we go."  It like they have to have a 
> voluptuous female in a tight suit just to please the demographics.  
> Scott Bakula is great and I loved him in "Quantum Leap,"  but I 
just 
> can't watch Enterprise.
> 
> 
> Alora :)

I'm weighing in in favor of Enterprise. Definitely not the best of 
the series, but it has its moments. Give it one more chance next 
season: looks like they have a time travel/alternate reality story 
arc coming that looks interesting.

That having been said, I love Scott Bakula but I just am not buying 
him as Capt. Archer. He is just too "nice" to be as tough as Archer 
is supposed to be. Every time after he has to act tough, like when he 
roughs up a Xindi and threatens to space him, I can almost hear him 
say, "Hoo boy."
Ms.T.
who has been into fandom since the original airing of TOS
(check out "Cut Him Out in Little Stars" by Crystal Wood)






From holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  6 17:02:34 2004
From: holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com (Melanie Holmes)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:02:34 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cevv15+8928@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf0dja+fhod@eGroups.com>

-
-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sternel" <sternel at g...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
> <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> > It seems that I run into Harry Potter fans that are also Star
trek 
> > fans.  Just because I am very curious, are there any ST fans that 
> > are a part of this HPfGU group?  
> > 


Melbaluna here.
    My husband and I just returned from the Ottawa Convention Alley. 
Steve VanderArk 
  (The Lexicon creator,) was the keynote speaker, and also did a
wonderful breakout 
session on Geography and the Wizarding World!  He told us he was an
origional trekkie, 
having put together a compendium of information on the Star Trek
World many years ago. 
He's a great speaker, and pokes fun at how we all are so obsessive
about Harry while 
simultaneously revelling in the compelling details that make it all
so much fun.  He said he 
does tend toward obsessive note taking when he reads. This includes
list making, drawing 
parallels and conclusion, etc. Being a Star Trek fan had some of the
same appeal as HP for 
him, although I'm sure it pales in comparison to the scope of the
wizarding world!










> > I LOVED Next Generation, Deep Space Nine was "okay", and Voyage
and watching the 
'Stratagema' episode of TNG:  hook, line, and 
> sinker.  I am a huge devotee of TNG (There was a time when I knew 
> episode titles, first airing dates, *and* production order...not
sure 
> how many times I read the Compendium, but it's at least 47 =D), and 
> I'm fond of TOS and of DS9, until they killed off Dax.  I watched 
> VOY, but only halfheartedly after the third season or so, I just 
> really never got into it as much.  I really can't stand Enterprise.
 
> I nearly choked on my drink watching the premiere 
> (the 'decontamination' scene pretty much set the tone of the
series, 
> to my mind, and that's not what Trek's about, IMHO) and gave up on 
> the spot. Even Scott Bakula isn't enough to rescue it for me.  
> 
> Incidentally, I'm a member of my campus' sff student union (we are 
> called the Science Fiction Forum, and we help run ICon every year
at 
> SUNY Stony Brook), which attracts fandoms of every shape and size, 
> and it's pretty much universally agreed that Trek is the 'starter' 
> fandom for those of my generation and older.  I'm beginning to see 
> signs that HP is taking over that 'starter' position in the 
> young'uns, which is gladdening to this fangirl's heart.  
> 
> Anyway... ::waves to Alora, and everyone else who's decloaked::  
> Q'uapla!  =)




From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Fri Aug  6 20:23:33 2004
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:23:33 -0000
Subject: Garth Nix/Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <cerqg0+gntr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf0pc5+ikjg@eGroups.com>

Alla: 
 
> Hi, Gabriela!
> 
> I heard a lot about Garth Nix, but I haven't read anything by this 
> writer yet, unfortunately.
> 
> I guess these books will be the next one to buy for me
> 
  
Gabriela:

I highly recommend them, the first one is Sabriel, the second Lirael 
and the third Abhorsen. The books are a little dark (they are about 
going into death and preventing the dead to come back to life) but 
the story is interesting. Philip Pullman wrote a praise on the books 
and it was very positive.
 
Alla:

> (snip)on HDM
> I did not want a sappy ending, but I also did not want so 
blatantly 
> anti-religious ending, I suppose.
> 
> I am not a very religious person, but I definitely believe in some 
> kind of higher authority out there. Pulman seems to be very 
> aetheistic person(judging by his book only, of course), which is 
his 
> absolute right to be, but not exactly my cup of tea.

 
Gabriela:

That's the reason why it took me a long time to decide and read 
them, I agree with you on the religious issue; I am a catholic and I 
knew I would read some things that would go against my beliefs; but 
I am open minded and decided to give it a try. I don't regret it at 
all, great series.

David, thank you for the info on the Sally Lochart trilogy, I'll 
read them as soon as I can.

Thanks Alla, thanks David

Gabriela




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  6 21:57:30 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:57:30 -0000
Subject: Garth Nix/Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <cf0pc5+ikjg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf0usa+b6b5@eGroups.com>

> Alla:
> 
> > (snip)on HDM
> > I did not want a sappy ending, but I also did not want so 
> blatantly 
> > anti-religious ending, I suppose.
> > 
> > I am not a very religious person, but I definitely believe in 
some 
> > kind of higher authority out there. Pulman seems to be very 
> > aetheistic person(judging by his book only, of course), which is 
> his 
> > absolute right to be, but not exactly my cup of tea.
> 
>  
> Gabriela:
> 
> That's the reason why it took me a long time to decide and read 
> them, I agree with you on the religious issue; I am a catholic and 
I 
> knew I would read some things that would go against my beliefs; but 
> I am open minded and decided to give it a try. I don't regret it at 
> all, great series.
> 
> David, thank you for the info on the Sally Lochart trilogy, I'll 
> read them as soon as I can.
> 
> Thanks Alla, thanks David
> 



Alla:

I am hoping that regardless of my beliefs I am able to enjoy any book 
as a beatiful work of art and I did in fact do just that.

It is just emotionally I did not enjoy the ending at all. As I said, 
I would not want it to be very religious ending, but I wanted some 
hope at the end that one day in some other life (in another world, 
reincarnation, whatever) those two will meet again.

I would absolutely recommend these series to anybody, but MYSELF I 
will not be rereading them.


Thanks for your recommendation. :o)





From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Aug  6 22:26:54 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Jo Raggett)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:26:54 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek  Picard
In-Reply-To: <cf00vq+gp7q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf10je+4h14@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" <suzchiles at p...> 
> wrote:
> > Wouldn't it be great if Patrick Stewart wound up in one the Harry 
> Potter
> > films? With two books to go, the perfect character for his 
talents 
> may
> > yet emerge.
> > 
> > Suzanne, who also loves TNG and Voyager very much!
> 
> 
> YES!  I ADORE Patrick Stewart - sexiest bald man alive, I tell 
you!  
> It would be great if he ended up with a Harry Potter part.  Well, 
> great to me, I guess *L*.  He might not want to! :D
> 
> Alora :)


Aggie:
ABSOLUTELY!!  And the *PERFECT* role for Patrick Stewart. . .the Half 
Blood Prince!!  (If taken literally!)

Whoever the HPB turns out to be now, unless it's a character already 
known to us, I'll be imagining him as Patrick Stewart!!!

Mmmmmm dreamy!!




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Aug  6 22:34:11 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Jo Raggett)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:34:11 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans Worf/Dax
In-Reply-To: <cf00si+lsvg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf1113+genm@eGroups.com>

>Alora!
> Me, too!  Worf is always funny to me ;).  I love Michael Dorn and 
he 
> just brought my favorite Klingon to life.  I love how Dax was his 
> equal.  
 

Aggie:
They were fab!  I agree, that it was brilliant to have Dax as his 
equal. He was such a strong character that *only* Dax could have 
snared him!  My favourite times (humour wise) was when they'd go to 
Julian (who was insanely jealous) with their - ahem, *war wounds* 
ahem!!  ;o)) 


Aggie:
>> > Wonder if it's the 'whole other life' scenario that makes us 
love 
> > things like Star Trek and Harry Potter.  I know I would *love* to 
> > have lived on Voyager, or to be part of the WW!  Maybe it's just 
> an 
> > escapism mechanism for us all!
> 


> Alora:
> I've wondered about that myself!  Voyager was my favorite of all 
the 
> series (Janeway!  Janeway!!) and *ahem* Lt. Paris my hottie on 
> board.  I'm always thinking how cool it would be to go to a 
> completely different type of world.  Not a scary one with all scary 
> aliens, but one like ST, of course ;).  Now, the wizard world I 
> would take, Voldemort and all.  I love what JKR has created!
 

Aggie:
We think *SO* alike!!!  Lt Tom Paris - God I loved him!!!!  I was 
devestated in the epsiode where he 'left' , Neelix's speech made me 
cry!!!  What did you think to him and B'Lana? (sp?)  

 




From the_illustrious_queen_laura at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  6 22:47:44 2004
From: the_illustrious_queen_laura at hotmail.com (sevenhundredandthirteen)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:47:44 -0000
Subject: The Da Vinci Code (was Jesus, Mary and Da Vinci)
In-Reply-To: <cetc3m+coun@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf11qg+p7l1@eGroups.com>

Entropy wrote:
> It is a very interesting story, and I'd suggest picking up "The
> DaVinci Code" if you haven't already read it.  It's fiction, but 
it's
> got lots of non-fic information about the Priori Scion, DaVinci, 
and
> the theory that Mary Magdelene is the Holy Grail.


I didn't like 'The Da Vinci Code' at all, really. I thought that all 
the Da Vinci theories that Dan Brown worked into the books ended up 
having no impact whatsover on the actual series of events the 
characters followed. It was like he was telling the story of some 
people solving a code, and he just wanted to insert a whole lot of 
backstory that never had any immediate influence on solving the code 
at hand. After all, the characters solved Jaques' codes, and just 
spoke about Da Vinci's.

I do find the whole backstory about Da Vinci and the Priori 
interesting, however. I think I would enjoy reading a non-fiction 
book about it better. The story besides the historical backstory was 
very flimsy and very cliched, IMO.

~<(Queen Laura)>~




From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Sat Aug  7 00:53:27 2004
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 00:53:27 -0000
Subject: Garth Nix/Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <cf0usa+b6b5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf1967+lf4k@eGroups.com>

> Alla:
> 
> I am hoping that regardless of my beliefs I am able to enjoy any 
book 
> as a beatiful work of art and I did in fact do just that.
> 
> It is just emotionally I did not enjoy the ending at all. As I 
said, 
> I would not want it to be very religious ending, but I wanted some 
> hope at the end that one day in some other life (in another world, 
> reincarnation, whatever) those two will meet again.
> 
> I would absolutely recommend these series to anybody, but MYSELF I 
> will not be rereading them.
> 
> 
> Thanks for your recommendation. :o)  

Hi Alla,

I understand and agree completely about the ending of the story, it 
was too sad. However I will reread HDM for two reasons, the first is 
that it's difficult for me to buy the books in english, I try to 
read them in the original language because translations are not that 
accurate and I won't be able to buy the Sally Lockhart books for a 
couple of months, and I really need something to read every night 
before I sleep; the second reason is that as I read them in english 
(not my native language) I need sometimes a rereading to understand 
better (or maybe that I like to suffer because I read OoP for the 
third time and it made me cry -again-).

Gabriela






From gansecki at hawaii.edu  Sat Aug  7 07:23:15 2004
From: gansecki at hawaii.edu (lavaluvn)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 07:23:15 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cevuan+ivvh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf2013+pkp0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "snazzzybird" 
<carmenharms at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is 
The 
> Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> >
> > Now, are there any Battlestar Galactica fans out there?  
> Especially, any who
> > saw and hated the Ron Moore remake as much as I did? <Evil Grin>
> > 
> *snazzzybird waves hand* Me!  Me!  I looooooved the original 
> Battlestar Galactica, and was bitterly disappointed when it was 
> cancelled.  I can even remember renting the whole series from the 
> video store and watching it, several years after it went off the 
> air.  
> 
> As for the remake, I tried to give it a chance -- but just 
couldn't 
> stand it.
> 
> --snazzzybird, who still says "Oh, frack!" occasionally

Ooh, that was a favorite of mine, too, though honestly I can't 
remember all that much about it anymore.  I do remember the big 
debate with my friends was whether the blond or the dark-haired boy 
was cuter.  Aahh, the foolish days of youth... :)  Never tried 
watching the new remake and from the comments maybe I won't bother.  
I wonder if you can still rent the old series?

-Andromeda

And I definitely third the Patrick Stewart thing.  I'd love to see 
him and Alan Rickman together.  Now there are two people who could 
read a phone book to me!




From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  7 15:09:16 2004
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:09:16 -0000
Subject: The Da Vinci Code (was Jesus, Mary and Da Vinci)
In-Reply-To: <cf11qg+p7l1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf2ras+54ln@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sevenhundredandthirteen" 
<the_illustrious_queen_laura at h...> wrote:
> 
> I do find the whole backstory about Da Vinci and the Priori 
> interesting, however. I think I would enjoy reading a non-fiction 
> book about it better. 


I have just the book for you!  "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" by Michael 
Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln came out in the early 
1980s.  I read it then, and bought a copy which I've read several 
times since then.  It's fascinating and very well-researched, quite 
enjoyable whether you believe its premise or not. Amazon has it --

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0440136482/qid=1091891251/sr=2
-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-3822773-9371251

--snazzzybird, whose personal library is... unusual




From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  7 15:16:49 2004
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:16:49 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cf2013+pkp0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf2rp1+7p38@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lavaluvn" <gansecki at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> And I definitely third the Patrick Stewart thing.  I'd love to see 
> him and Alan Rickman together.  Now there are two people who could 
> read a phone book to me!

Oh, man, do I ever agree with that!  Just imagine those two 
magnificent voices echoing through the Hogwarts halls.  Perhaps an 
upcoming Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher will be a suitable 
part for him.

--snazzzybird




From ithildin at ondragonswing.com  Sat Aug  7 18:20:59 2004
From: ithildin at ondragonswing.com (Ith)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:20:59 -0700
Subject: Battlestar Galactica (was Re: any HP/Star Trek fans other than
  me?)
In-Reply-To: <cf2013+pkp0@eGroups.com>
References: <cevuan+ivvh@eGroups.com>
 <cf2013+pkp0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040807111714.01f54310@mail.ondragonswing.com>

At 12:23 AM 8/7/2004, lavaluvn wrote:
>oh, that was a favorite of mine, too, though honestly I can't
>remember all that much about it anymore.

I had a huge poster with Dirk Benedict on one side, and Richard Hatch on 
the other. I used to leave one side up for a week, then switch it <g> I 
think I was about 15-16 at the time.  I met RH a few years back at a con, 
and it was quite amusing finally meeting a teen heartthrob! Still haven't 
met Harrison Ford though.

>  I do remember the big
>debate with my friends was whether the blond or the dark-haired boy
>was cuter.  Aahh, the foolish days of youth... :)  Never tried
>watching the new remake and from the comments maybe I won't bother.
>I wonder if you can still rent the old series?

I actually enjoyed the new one. It was different, but I thought they did a 
good job adapting the premise for 2004. I'm really looking forward to the 
next season! And yes, the old series is out on DVD. I borrowed the set from 
my friend and watched it over again.


* Denise * Ithildin at OnDragonsWing.com - * Ith *
* Absinthe & Cookies - http://bittersweet.ondragonswing.com/ *
* Tales From The Darkwood - http://www.ondragonswing.com/tales *
* "Yeah, but I want to see me live happily ever after even more." 
~Methos*                                                                                          




From Jazzterrier at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  7 20:42:57 2004
From: Jazzterrier at yahoo.com (jazzterrier)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:42:57 -0000
Subject: The Da Vinci Code (was Jesus, Mary and Da Vinci)
In-Reply-To: <cf2ras+54ln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf3esh+a6fm@eGroups.com>

Apologize if already mentioned.  Noticed on TV show about Da Vinci, 
that Nicholas Flamell was a member of the Priory

jazzterrier
Ravenclaw
> 
> > I do find the whole backstory about Da Vinci and the Priori 
> > interesting, however. I think I would enjoy reading a non-fiction 
> > book about it better. 
> 
> 





From Jazzterrier at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  7 20:40:07 2004
From: Jazzterrier at yahoo.com (jazzterrier)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:40:07 -0000
Subject: New HP fan
Message-ID: <cf3en7+teqt@eGroups.com>

Hubby makes fun of me for watching the movies over and over whenever 
they come on tv.  I was watching when he came home and he knows 
better than turn the channel.  He sat down and watched for a while.  
When Hermione was released from hospital after being petrified, she 
ran up and hugged Harry but then hesitated and shook hands with Ron.  
Hubby actually asked me why she hugged Harry, not Ron.  Maybe I have 
a convert on my hands

Jazzterrier
Ravenclaw





From the_illustrious_queen_laura at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  7 23:46:30 2004
From: the_illustrious_queen_laura at hotmail.com (sevenhundredandthirteen)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 23:46:30 -0000
Subject: Eragon fans
In-Reply-To: <cep00p+5p6b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf3pkm+vjek@eGroups.com>

Alla wrote: 
> Thanks! I loved this book [Eragon]. I thought it was very fast 
paced and very 
> well written. I think this boy has a lot of talent. The book was 
> published when he was what 18? I think he started writing it at 15.


I didn't like it. I didn't find anything knew in it which I hadn't 
already read or seen in 5 other novels or films. 

I also thought the quality of writing was poor. Whilst reading it I 
really felt that this was written by a teenage boy who hadn't read 
very widely. I really thought it was like reading a bad quality 
fanfiction or  student homework assignment. Of course, the very fact 
that Paolini managed to write an entire novel whislt still a teen is 
still to be congratulated, it's just that I didn't think the content 
anything special. 

I thought the narrative itself spent too much time travelling and 
between action, rather than in conflict. I thought then tension 
meant to be established between the super evil guy (sorry, don't 
remeber his name) and Eragon was weak (it was one of those cases 
where we were just told that super-evil-guy is super evil, rather 
than seeing it in action, or understanbding why he was super-evil). 

I thought the romance was weaker still, but very typical of what a 
teenage boy would consider good romance to be. That is, I thought 
any developing romance wasn't based on people connecting with each 
other emotionally, but just on teen hormones and the fact that 
Eragon hasn't seen many other girls in his life.

I also thought the book was too episodic. That is, a lot of the 
themese Paolini introduced didn't come to crisis and resolution- he 
seems to be 'saving them' for later books. Also, Eragon didn't reach 
any real triumph at the end of the book, and it climaxed too 
quickly. One sentence the people were at war, a few sentences later 
it had all eclipsed.

As for the Star Wars derivations that seanmulligan2000 wrote about-
 
Luke live with his uncle because his parents aren't there (but are 
they dead?), his family and house are destroyed by minions of the 
evil guy searching for droids which Luke just happens to have. Luke 
then takes the droids away from town to help the alliance, after 
meeting his mentor, Obi-Wan, who, alng the journey, teaches him how 
to use a light-saber and talks to him about the spiritual side of 
the force.

Eragon- Eragon lives with his uncle beause his parents aren't there 
(but are they dead?), his family and house are destroyed by minions 
of the evil guy searching for a dragon which Eragon just happens to 
have. Eragon then takes the dragon away from town to help the 
alliance, after meeting his mentor, (sorry, can't remember his 
name), who, along the journey, teaches him how to use a sword and 
talks to him about the spiritual side of dragons.

~<(Queen Laura)>~




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Aug  7 23:49:59 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 19:49:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: any HP/Star Trek fans Worf/Dax
In-Reply-To: <cf00si+lsvg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEABDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Alora writes Re Enterprise series]:

| For some reason I cannot get into "Enterprise."  I don't know why.
| I guess it's like the whole Star Wars prequel thing.  I don't want
| them trying to tell me a story that has already happened - it's just
| me, though.

[Lee]:
Nope, it's not.  But if they did it correctly, that would be okay, however,
there were waaaaay too many inconsistencies in Enterprise that, to a true ST
fan, would make the series totally intolerable, i.e. meeting aliens that
weren't even heard of in ST-TOS, Lady Vulcan knowing about replicator
technology when it really hasn't come into existence except in primitive
form in TOS...things like that.

Okay, okay, I'm a picky person, but I look for consistency if one is going
to move from series to series.

Even Voyager came up with some doozy inconsistencies from one season to
another...so much so that I wanted to throw sponges at my TV. <BEG>

I'm just glad that JKR has a fairly consistent universe!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

P.S.-- I look at the name Alora and think of the child in the movie
"Willow," another lovely movie.Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Aug  7 23:59:52 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 19:59:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: any HP/Star Trek fans other than me?
In-Reply-To: <cf2013+pkp0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEACDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Andromeda and whoever else wants to know:

There is a lovely set of BSG DVDs available...not cheap but well worth your
greenbacks!  The number of extras and deleted scenes and such is really
phenomenal.

I bought it, love it, and my husband and I have fun playing with the box
which has a representation of a Cylon head on it. :-)

Cheers,

Lee (Who's ended up on antibiotics because her body wants to play nasty
tricks and not let her get away on her vacation...Frack!) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  8 06:40:15 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:40:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Garth Nix(not really)/Philip Pullman and Snape
In-Reply-To: <cf0usa+b6b5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040808064015.33336.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com>

dumbledore11214 <dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Alla:

I am hoping that regardless of my beliefs I am able to enjoy any book 
as a beatiful work of art and I did in fact do just that.

It is just emotionally I did not enjoy the ending at all. As I said, 
I would not want it to be very religious ending, but I wanted some 
hope at the end that one day in some other life (in another world, 
reincarnation, whatever) those two will meet again.

I would absolutely recommend these series to anybody, but MYSELF I 
will not be rereading them.


Thanks for your recommendation. :o)
Kemper now:
I think that Lyra and what's-his-name will end up together.  My understanding of Pullman's afterlife (in the books) is that we are all reunited as part of the universe of all possibilities/dimensions.  What I didn't like about the books is that Lyra was goo-goo over what's-his-name instead of the strong female character she was in the first book.  But this seems a good topic for another list.
Back to Potter... 
More specifically Snape.  Duffypoo has a theory on Snape that I'm very interested in reading.  If there are other ESNE (ever so not evil) Snape fans, please let her know that we are interested in her theory.

 

 

		
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  8 07:05:16 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:05:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Eragon fans
In-Reply-To: <cf3pkm+vjek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040808070516.22347.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com>

Laura wrote (snip): I didn't like it. I didn't find anything knew in it which I hadn't already read or seen in 5 other novels or films. 

I also thought the quality of writing was poor. Whilst reading it I really felt that this was written by a teenage boy who hadn't read very widely. I really thought it was like reading a bad quality fanfiction or  student homework assignment. Of course, the very fact that Paolini managed to write an entire novel whislt still a teen is 
still to be congratulated, it's just that I didn't think the content anything special. 

I thought the narrative itself spent too much time travelling and between action, rather than in conflict. I thought then tension meant to be established between the super evil guy (sorry, don't remeber his name) and Eragon was weak (it was one of those cases where we were just told that super-evil-guy is super evil, rather than seeing it in action, or understanbding why he was super-evil). 

I thought the romance was weaker still, but very typical of what a teenage boy would consider good romance to be. That is, I thought any developing romance wasn't based on people connecting with each other emotionally, but just on teen hormones and the fact that Eragon hasn't seen many other girls in his life.

I also thought the book was too episodic. That is, a lot of the themese Paolini introduced didn't come to crisis and resolution- he seems to be 'saving them' for later books. Also, Eragon didn't reach any real triumph at the end of the book, and it climaxed too quickly. One sentence the people were at war, a few sentences later it had all eclipsed.
I couldn't agree more with Laura.  I think Paolini's original title for 'Eregon' was 'Ennui'.  If the book 'Eregon' was a picture, that picture would tell a thousand boring words.
 
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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Aug  8 08:18:16 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 04:18:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: I am JK Rowling
Message-ID: <2167.4.12.232.23.1091953096.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

{snort} Okay, so I'm about a billion dollars (or whatever UK pound
conversion) short to be her.

I was reading a journal entry where a person hypothesized JKR was there
during a Mugglenet chat because, basically, she could coherently string
sentences together.

Granted, I've never been on Mugglenet's IRC but I've always tried to type
within the rules of grammar, even on IRC.  It takes me longer--plus, I'm
also a slow typist--but I've been in fanfic communities for years where
some folks judge you by how you communicate via text.

Hm, there's a new challenge here:  How well can you impersonate JKR?

As a Floridian, I automatically default into 'good impersonator' because,
like her, Floridians can't count... our ballots at least. {chuckle}

Seriously, if JKR was on any fannish group/forum, I still wouldn't go
into... 'stalker-ish' mode.  I'm paranoid enough with worrying about a
shoddy internet connection, a worn out computer, overly sensitive
'arteests' with the maturity level of a preteen, and covering my white
semi-Asian bum in real life to worry about if JKR posts in a fan forum.

No squeeing from me until JKR pays *me* money; otherwise, she gets equal
treatment.

Dina




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Aug  8 15:02:56 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 8 Aug 2004 15:02:56 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1091977376.14.54560.m22@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, August 8, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From prongs at marauders-map.net  Sun Aug  8 18:22:47 2004
From: prongs at marauders-map.net (Silver Stag)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:22:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Superstition
References: <20040804091509.34217.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <021801c47d74$b501aa00$0201a8c0@bettysue>

I don't know the superstitions to which you refer.
Does giving a knife to your dad count? He collects knives and if I find one
I think he'll like, I get it for his birthday or Christmas. Yes, we're still
close.
Betty
"Would you like us to clean out your ears for you?" inquired George, pulling
out a long and lethal-looking metal instrument from inside one of the
Zonko's
bags.
"Or any part of your body, really, we're not fussy where we stick this,"
said Fred.

Fred and George Weasley, OOTP
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vinnia" <vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:15 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Superstition


> Hi all,
>
> While catching up with the main list email, I came
> across a discussion about the superstition of giving
> perfume/knife.
>
> Unfortunately I am planning to give my boyfriend some
> sort of dagger for his birthday. So...I'm curious, has
> anybody given/been given a knife? If yes, did you
> exchange it with coins? Are you still friends with the
> giver?
>
> Thanks :)
>
>
> Vinnia
>
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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  8 20:00:36 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:00:36 -0000
Subject: any HP/Star Trek Tom Paris
In-Reply-To: <cf1113+genm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf60p4+amqk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jo Raggett" <aggie at r...> 
wrote:

> We think *SO* alike!!!  Lt Tom Paris - God I loved him!!!!  I was 
> devestated in the epsiode where he 'left' , Neelix's speech made 
me 
> cry!!!  What did you think to him and B'Lana? (sp?)

ADORED Tom Paris.  So cute, so irreverant, so LOYAL.  Remember when 
Neelix was lung-less (the Viidians took them) and he said Tom was 
like one big hormone walking around the ship?  *LOL*  Ahh, good 
times ;).  Now, about B'Elanna.....I guess it works for me.  I 
guess.  Honestly, I always thought he had a thing for Janeway, he 
was so sassy with her sometimes, and she seemed to like him.  Maybe 
it's just my romantic brain working over time, but I thought they 
would be good together, age difference and all.  B'Elanna was a 
great character on her own, and the writers made it work, but I 
never pictured them together, really.  And I was bummed that Harry 
Kim never "got the girl."  Yes, he had a few encounters, but nothing 
lasting.  Oh, well.  All this talk of Voyager has made me miss it.  
I wish that I could get into "Enterprise" and care about the 
characters as I did "Voyager"!  That's the thing that bugs me....I 
don't care about the characters, or what happens to them.  Not like 
I did Next Gen, DS9, or Voyager.  Go figure.  Anyway, LONG LIVE 
PARIS!  :D

Alora :)




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug  9 01:24:56 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:24:56 -0700
Subject: How far is too far?
References: <cf60p4+amqk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <010601c47daf$aebd3200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

This groups...being what it is, I thought
would be the best place to ask this question.

How far is too far when talking about Harry
Potter?  How much should one be involved in
this fandom, before it's bad for them?

I was recently speaking with a non HP friend
and they said that I took it too far, that I
was obsessed with something and hurting myself
mentally.  I disagreed but I did wonder.

I spend ten hours a day in this fandom, which
seems like a lot.  But I have no outside the
home job, no children and I'm basically alone
day in and day out due to a phobia of mine.
So could it be bad, that I have something that
brings me such joy, and connects me to others?
Could something that has lifted me out of
depression, helped me to express myself, given
my friends and co-workers, giving me a job
that means something to me...truly be hurting
me?

Perhaps I do obsess a bit, I have those points
where I'm maniacal about something (example:
Tom Felton, Harry/Draco pairings, the belief
that Voldemort is a sexual being...), but we
each have those,  I won't mention them *cough*
Snape fans *cough* but we each have our points
of obsession.

So have I gone too far?  Or is it just all
misunderstood?

Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define
the term rescue to you. It's not to come and
then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Aug  9 02:30:07 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:30:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <010601c47daf$aebd3200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <cf60p4+amqk@eGroups.com>
    <010601c47daf$aebd3200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <2680.4.12.232.23.1092018607.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> How far is too far when talking about Harry
> Potter?  How much should one be involved in
> this fandom, before it's bad for them?

Before, I was commenting on 'stalker-ish' behaviour.  I was referencing
someone hanging out at Mugglenet's IRC, spotting another chatter one
thought *might* be JKR, privately messaging them, and then requesting
their IP address so this person can figure out the other chatter's
internet service and location.

Personally, I'd be... well, not a happy camper.

You may or may not have seen fandom_wank.  Some of it is legit wanky
behaviour.

If you're questioning your mentality, then Heidi of FA gives new
definition to 'committed'--if you catch my drift.  I remember seeing her
reference hours logged in and having to deal with (IMO, not hers)
nitwits... like me. :-)

As to my obsession, a friend was talking about her Amazon.com wishlist and
I said I never had one but I do have a wishlist:
1) Win the lottery $$$.
2) Win the lottery $$$.
3) Win the lottery $$$.
4) Ask how the *hell* Daniel Radcliffe has such nice skin but I suspect it
has to do with genetics (I'm SOL there) and $$$.
5) Win the lottery $$$ cha-ching!

I don't ask for much in life.  Would be nice if my six-legged roommates
cough up some money... but they don't.

Dina




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  9 19:07:04 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How Far is too far?
Message-ID: <20040809190704.78947.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com>

9Aug04:
Saintaina wrote:
"...I spend ten hours a day in this fandom, which
seems like a lot. But I have no outside the
home job, no children and I'm basically alone
day in and day out due to a phobia of mine...."

 

Paula now:

Don't want to step on any toes and I'm certainly not a shrink?  But, what kind of phobia could keep one "basically alone"?  Is this really a phobia, or do you just really prefer a private, quiet, and focused life?  A phobia would keep a person from doing things that he'd really like to do, wouldn't it?  But seems like you really enjoy HP Fandom.  Sounds to me that you're very lucky, being able to spend time and energy on something you really enjoy rather than being forced to work a soul sucking job that could really make you crazy just to be able to keep food on the table.

ENJOY, ENJOY!

Paula Gaon

 





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From erinellii at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  9 19:17:24 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:17:24 -0000
Subject: How far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <010601c47daf$aebd3200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cf8ik4+4kc9@eGroups.com>

 "Saitaina"  wrote: 
> How far is too far when talking about Harry
> Potter?  How much should one be involved in
> this fandom, before it's bad for them?

Erin responds:
I don't know... myself I spend about three hours a day on the 
computer and it seems like a lot to me.  My eyes sometimes hurt after 
I finish.  I check all my HP groups (though I post pretty rarely), 
email friends, and download stuff for the Sims 2 (coming out in 
September, yay!).  Right after I became a big HP fan and discovered 
the online community about a year and a half ago, I was on the 
computer sometimes six hours a day.

Ten hours a day seems like maaaaybe just a bit too much, if it truly 
is *ALL* HP, and not mingled with your at-home job, other fandoms, or 
whatnot.  But everyone is different.  It may not be too much for you.

I would make sure that you're not hurting yourself physically.  Are 
you still eating correctly, bathing, sleeping through the night (not 
getting up at three in the morning to check for new posts as I did in 
the beginning?)  Do you get any sort of exercise?  

Do you feel anxiety if you are not able to read all of your lists one 
day?  Do you talk to at least one non-internet person per day, on the 
phone or in person?

If you can answer all of these to your satisfaction, I'd say you're 
doing all right.

"Saitaina"  wrote: 
> So could it be bad, that I have something that
> brings me such joy, and connects me to others?
> Could something that has lifted me out of
> depression, helped me to express myself, given
> my friends and co-workers, giving me a job
> that means something to me...truly be hurting
> me?

Erin responds:
I think some people need something to obsess over in order to feel 
happy.  I'm one of these, I should know.  Right now for me it is HP.  
In the past it was other things, and in the future  I have no doubt 
it will change.  I also feel my little obsessions keep me from 
depression.  It's not the fact that you have one that is the problem 
(if there is a problem), it's how you express it.

If you find yourself frequently thinking that it's too much, maybe 
try unplugging your computer for just one day and seeing how that 
makes you feel.

I hope this has been helpful.  Let us know what you decide.

Erin







From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug  9 22:45:04 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:45:04 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How far is too far?
References: <cf8ik4+4kc9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012a01c47e62$84386640$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Erin wrote:

<Ten hours a day seems like maaaaybe just a
bit too much, if it truly
is *ALL* HP, and not mingled with your at-home
job, other fandoms, or
whatnot.  But everyone is different.  It may
not be too much for you.>

Well here would be an actual log of a normal
ten-16 hrs at the computer, note the hours are
guesses because I don't actually pay
attention.

HP Fanfiction (Always somewhere on my screen,
due to my love of reading and below)
The Never Complete List of Fanfiction (new
website I'm building so about 3hrs hand
coding, five hrs reading and on hour fighting
with my computer)
Email (Always running as I have sixty
yahoogroups, several friends and a partridge
in a pear tree emailing me.)
List Moderation (4hours for mine, constant
looking for HPfGU)
Time with Online friends (5-8hrs)
Online Role-playing--outside the fandom
(constant as the players time zones fluctuate)
Writing Fanfiction (half an hour to an hour)
Writing "Vlad", "Echo of Memories" or whatever
novel I'm currently fighting with (Constant)
Shopping (once a month)
LJ--Mine (fluctuates)
LJ--Others (once a month to every two weeks)

Dunno if that's balanced, but that's what I
do.

<Are
you still eating correctly, bathing, sleeping
through the night (not
getting up at three in the morning to check
for new posts as I did in
the beginning?)  Do you get any sort of
exercise? >

Eating correctly is a no but that's a health
problem (no appetite and smaller internal
stomach), bathing is a yes, sleeping is a no
(I suffer from insomnia which has been since I
was a child), exercise is a no but also
related to a health problem.

<Do you feel anxiety if you are not able to
read all of your lists one
day?  Do you talk to at least one non-internet
person per day, on the
phone or in person?>

Considering I mass delete quite a few lists
without even looking, I would say the first
one is a no.  I talk to my mother daily but I
doubt that's what you meant.  The last
question is really rather a sore point as I
don't have friends outside the internet.
Everyone whose close to me I met online due to
my phobia of people and being judged.  Heck, I
can't even call my Dr to make an appointment
without a panic attack first.

<If you can answer all of these to your
satisfaction, I'd say you're
doing all right.>

Well, they're all awnsered to my satisfaction,
but now I probably seem a freak to you guys.
:o)

<If you find yourself frequently thinking that
it's too much, maybe
try unplugging your computer for just one day
and seeing how that
makes you feel.>

Oh I already know how that would make me feel.
There's no question I'm addicted to the
internet.  My computer goes down and I go into
withdrawal.  I once drove to three different
cities to log time with the library computers
just to get a fix.  My question was more of HP
though.
Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define
the term rescue to you. It's not to come and
then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  9 22:59:10 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:59:10 -0000
Subject: How far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <010601c47daf$aebd3200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cf8vju+ir7f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> This groups...being what it is, I thought
> would be the best place to ask this question.
> 
> How far is too far when talking about Harry
> Potter?  How much should one be involved in
> this fandom, before it's bad for them?
> 
> I was recently speaking with a non HP friend
> and they said that I took it too far, that I
> was obsessed with something and hurting myself
> mentally.  I disagreed but I did wonder.
> 
> I spend ten hours a day in this fandom, which
> seems like a lot.  But I have no outside the
> home job, no children and I'm basically alone
> day in and day out due to a phobia of mine.
> So could it be bad, that I have something that
> brings me such joy, and connects me to others?
> Could something that has lifted me out of
> depression, helped me to express myself, given
> my friends and co-workers, giving me a job
> that means something to me...truly be hurting
> me?
> 
>*Snip*
 
> So have I gone too far?  Or is it just all
> misunderstood?
> 
> Saitaina
> ****

*****\(@@)/*****
Saitaina:

I have two Harry Potter calendars at work (one desk, one wall), a 
golden snitch in my car, vanity tags that say Gryffan, (I would have 
had a Gryffindor colored car but Subaru doesn't make them like I 
wanted so I ended up with a Slytherin colored car), on casual 
Fridays I wear one of my Harry Potter shirts, my Harry Potter watch, 
and in the winter I wear my Harry Potter Quiddich Sweater that I 
designed and knitted or my Initial sweater which I also knitted. 
When I can, I throw Harry Potter into conversation and right now I 
wish I had a Harry Potter badge holder!  You are just one of us!!!!!!
*waves and smiles*

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From flitwicksman at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  9 23:11:01 2004
From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian Cordova)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:11:01 -0000
Subject: Harry and The Potters
Message-ID: <cf90a5+3v0e@eGroups.com>



  If you folks haven't heard the duo of Harry and The Potters, give 
yourself a treat and do so. I just got my CD's today and am 
listening to them now.  It definitely requires that you be a HP fan 
to really enjoy them, with songs like "Voltemort Can't Stop the 
Rock", "Fred and George", "I am a Wizard", "Follow the Spiders", etc.

  
  
  Check out their website at:
     

  http://www.eskimolabs.com/hp/




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug  9 23:04:54 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:04:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How far is too far?
References: <cf8vju+ir7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <014401c47e65$49c8a760$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dudemom_2000 wrote:

<When I can, I throw Harry Potter into
conversation and right now I
wish I had a Harry Potter badge holder!  You
are just one of us!!!!!!
*waves and smiles*>

Aww, very glad I'm just one of the gang then.
And now I don't feel so insane for wanting a
Slytherin coloured car (currently my Lucius is
a Gryffindor Red).

Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define
the term rescue to you. It's not to come and
then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Aug  9 23:37:00 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:37:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
Message-ID: <3507.4.12.232.23.1092094620.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> (I suffer from insomnia which has been since I
> was a child), exercise is a no but also

Yep, I think some fandom folk are well aware of my horrid sleeping habits.

Although, I miss out on some odd dreams like last night... I think Emma
Watson made an appearance (probably because I read those GOF reports), I
was shopping for video tapes and Nyquil, the store cashier gave me a
nickel from his own pocket when he realized there wasn't a penny in the
register to give exact change.  After leaving the store, I saw Chris
Meloni (Law&Order:SVU, HBO's Oz) in the parking lot with his daughter,
waiting in their car, and I also realized the cashier had given me over
$80 too much and my damn conscience was warring over going back into the
store because the cashier would be in so much trouble... just as I
woke-up.


> but now I probably seem a freak to you guys.
> :o)

Yep, and thanks.  Now, you make me feel more normal. ;-)  Just kidding.


> There's no question I'm addicted to the
> internet.  My computer goes down and I go into
> withdrawal.

Oh yeah, I had one of those moments.  I *had* to crash at my brother's
place and hog up his cable internet he shares with his wife because my
phone line went down for a couple days.  Fortunately, unlike my sister and
I, he's one of these guys nearly everyone likes because he's that nice
(Ex: POA IMAX night, the battery on his car dies and he friendly chats up
to a couple while they helped us) and his wife is mellow... and a bit
Christian but is fine with her mother-in-law being Buddhist.

Dina





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug  9 23:36:34 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:36:34 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
References: <3507.4.12.232.23.1092094620.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <015201c47e69$b5b4b000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<Although, I miss out on some odd dreams like
last night... >

Geeze, my dreams were just about a fanfiction
I read and killed off the OMC so that Harry
and Draco could be together, (Hate, HATE that
character in the story...I rather think that
translated well in the dream...).


Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define
the term rescue to you. It's not to come and
then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Aug 10 00:35:04 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:35:04 -0000
Subject: How far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <010601c47daf$aebd3200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cf957o+e3eg@eGroups.com>

Saitaina wrote:
> This groups...being what it is, I thought
> would be the best place to ask this question.
> 
> How far is too far when talking about Harry
> Potter?  How much should one be involved in
> this fandom, before it's bad for them?

That's funny... I was in the kitchen just now and I could have sworn 
I heard the pot just asking the kettle if charcoal is the new black.

David




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 10 01:33:05 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:33:05 -0000
Subject: Harry and The Potters
In-Reply-To: <cf90a5+3v0e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cf98kh+2ti6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Brian Cordova" 
<flitwicksman at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
>   If you folks haven't heard the duo of Harry and The Potters, give 
> yourself a treat and do so.

I walked into the Imax premiere in Boston and heard "Save Ginny 
Weasley..." I said to my friends, "That sounds like Harry and the 
Potters!" Indeed, they were playing live in the lobby.   But nobody 
else there seemed to know of them.  Someone was handing out flyers.  
I said, "Yeah, I know those guys."  He was surprised.  I pointed 
out, "With how I'm dressed, you shouldn't be surprised!"  (I was in 
uniform)

--A.J.
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/ajl/hp.html




From LadyNeptune6627 at aol.com  Tue Aug 10 01:52:21 2004
From: LadyNeptune6627 at aol.com (LadyNeptune6627 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:52:21 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
Message-ID: <103.4c921b66.2e498455@aol.com>

 
saitaina wrote:
> How far is too far when talking about Harry
> Potter?  How much should one be involved in
> this fandom, before it's bad for them?
> 
> I was recently speaking with a non HP friend
> and they said that I took it too far, that I
> was obsessed with something and hurting myself
> mentally.  I disagreed but I did wonder.

me, now: 
Heh.  My non-HP friends also think I take my liking of HP too far... But I 
don't think so. Neither do my HP-obsessed friends. *cheers to them*  So, I don't 
think it sounds like you're *too* obsessed, if you enjoy yourself and all. 
(Then again, I ponder if one can be too obsessed with HP at all).  As a side 
note, I think my own HP obsession is quite fun, and would be quite bored without 
it. Then again, I'm just a random lurker, so. 

Also, you remind me a bit of myself. :) With the constant fic reading and the 
insomnia and the possible phobia.  Just thought that was kind of nifty. 

Hmm, and since HP related dreams came up... I had one the other night about 
the Weasleys and Draco taking dance lessons.  Fred (or George) got a piggy-back 
ride from Crabbe, and Ginny was wearing golden sparkly earmuffs. Draco just 
kind of stood there, scowling. -_-;;

queen_beetle
(who has decided that her thought process is indeed quite random)





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From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Aug 10 04:39:50 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:39:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <015201c47e69$b5b4b000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <3507.4.12.232.23.1092094620.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <015201c47e69$b5b4b000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <3744.4.12.232.23.1092112790.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> Geeze, my dreams were just about a fanfiction
> I read and killed off the OMC so that Harry
> and Draco could be together, (Hate, HATE that
> character in the story...I rather think that
> translated well in the dream...).

I usually read HP smut as 'bedtime' stories and I still don't get anything
'good' in my dreams.  Though, I do remember having a Harry/Severus one
(and I do mean *one*).  Interestingly, my mind didn't picture the actors;
instead, it latched onto my second visual of the characters--the movies
came before the books for me, so book canon is a 'second visual'. 
Unfortunately, everything remained G-rated. :-(  Bummer.

Dina





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Aug 10 04:44:26 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:44:26 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
References: <3507.4.12.232.23.1092094620.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>    <015201c47e69$b5b4b000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <3744.4.12.232.23.1092112790.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <003201c47e94$b7c64360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<I usually read HP smut as 'bedtime' stories
and I still don't get anything
'good' in my dreams.>

I often get 'good' dreams...but it's rather
freaky to go from being a guy in your dreams
to a female in life.  *shrugs*  My
subconscious is weird.  And if someone could
tell me why my brain thought I would like to
be Greg Goyle...please explain it to me.

Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define
the term rescue to you. It's not to come and
then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Aug 10 05:44:46 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <003201c47e94$b7c64360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <3507.4.12.232.23.1092094620.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>   
    <015201c47e69$b5b4b000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
    <3744.4.12.232.23.1092112790.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <003201c47e94$b7c64360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <3804.4.12.232.23.1092116686.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> I often get 'good' dreams...

Hm, there must be a way to disable my subconscious 'parental block' on
Harry Potter.


> freaky to go from being a guy in your dreams
> to a female in life.  *shrugs*

I've had those.


My
> subconscious is weird.  And if someone could
> tell me why my brain thought I would like to
> be Greg Goyle...please explain it to me.

You could've been Filch. ;-)

I think the actor who portrayed Goyle, Josh Herdman, was cute and then he
lost weight. :-\  Ditto about Matthew Lewis as Longbottom.  I liked them a
bit chubby.  Now, they're kind of... Err, they don't do anything for me. 
At least Jamie Waylett (Crabbe) kept his weight and I think he's still
cute.

Dina




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Aug 10 05:46:01 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:46:01 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How far is too far?
References: <3507.4.12.232.23.1092094620.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>       <015201c47e69$b5b4b000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>    <3744.4.12.232.23.1092112790.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>    <003201c47e94$b7c64360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <3804.4.12.232.23.1092116686.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <004901c47e9d$51e76160$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<I think the actor who portrayed Goyle, Josh
Herdman, was cute and then he
lost weight. :-\  Ditto about Matthew Lewis as
Longbottom.  I liked them a
bit chubby.  Now, they're kind of... Err, they
don't do anything for me.
At least Jamie Waylett (Crabbe) kept his
weight and I think he's still
cute.>

Agreed, though Matthew's still a cutie but I
think that might be my whole Neville
Longbottom fixation.  *shrugs*

<You could've been Filch. ;-)>

Oh, gag me!  I think my brain choose that
image because the person opposite me in my
dream was Draco...easiest thing for my brain
to come up with.  Though that does make me
question another dream where I was actually
dating Goyle...

Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define
the term rescue to you. It's not to come and
then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 10 12:01:37 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20040810120137.4263.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>

*shuffles feets and tugs at tea cozy hat with bandaged
fingers*

I has been a bad elf, neglectful of my elfly duties. I
has ironed my fingers in penance and is begging kind
Misses and Sirs for forgiveness.

*stumbles off, teary-eyed, in search of decorations
and food trolleys*

Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to the honourees at the addresses following
their names. Missed birthday honourees for the
beginning of August include Wendy
(hebrideanblack at earthlink.net), Amber, Astra
(astratrf at aol.com), Katrina/patnkat2
(patnkatng at cox.net), Cornflower O'Shea
(tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com), and Laura
(devilsangel0809 at aol.com)

I hope each and every one of you had magical days,
filled with joy, fun and the company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Wendy!
Happy Birthday, Amber!
Happy Birthday, Astra!
Happy Birthday, Katrina!
Happy Birthday, Cornflower!
Happy Birthday, Laura!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, off to bake extra cakes for
this party

=====
Convention Alley rocked! Were *you* there?
http://www.conventionalley.org/
http://www.livejournal.com/community/conventionalley/
http://www.cafeshops.com/conalley 





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From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Aug 10 18:54:01 2004
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:54:01 -0000
Subject: Looking for POA wallpapers
Message-ID: <cfb5k9+t0l3@eGroups.com>

I'm tired of being independent and scouring the net and my trial 
period of Paint Shop Pro is over, so I'll put the question to the 
HPFGU community instead. Has anyone seen a good source for HP 
wallpapers?

I'd like a good-quality 1074 x 768 version of the POA screenshot with 
the Hogsmeade road post and the horseless carriages and Hogwarts 
castle in the background, as un-tampered with as possible, without 
any pesky logos or texts. So far I haven't had any luck finding one 
(found a titchy one on The Snitch, http://tinyurl.com/62guz, but it 
blurs when I enlarge it.)

Can anyone help?

Alshain





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 10 21:43:42 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:43:42 -0000
Subject: How Far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <20040809190704.78947.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfbfie+u8ql@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...>
wrote:
> 9Aug04:
> Saintaina wrote:
> "...I spend ten hours a day in this fandom, which
> seems like a lot. But I have no outside the
> home job, no children and I'm basically alone
> day in and day out due to a phobia of mine...."


> Paula now:
> 
> Don't want to step on any toes and I'm certainly not a shrink?  But,
what kind of phobia could keep one "basically alone"?  Is this really
a phobia, or do you just really prefer a private, quiet, and focused
life?  A phobia would keep a person from doing things that he'd really
like to do, wouldn't it?  But seems like you really enjoy HP Fandom. 
Sounds to me that you're very lucky, being able to spend time and
energy on something you really enjoy rather than being forced to work
a soul sucking job that could really make you crazy just to be able to
keep food on the table.
> 
> ENJOY, ENJOY!
> 
> Paula Gaon


Asian_lovr2:

Equally not wanting to offend, I must still wonder whether you have
lead a bit of a sheltered life yourself. There are many many phobias
that cause people great anxiety and panic under certain circumstances.
I saw one on TV recently where a woman had an unnatural fear of making
left turns. In her rational mind, she it made no sense to her; left
turn, right turn, what's the difference? But, the anxiety and panic
that occurred were out of her control; it was real, it was there, and
it was disabling. She still drove a car, but would use maps to plan
out elaborate routes to get where she wanted to go making only
right-hand turns.

Fear, panic, and anxiety at leaving your house is far far more common
that the 'left-turn' phobia, and is disabling to many more people that
you would imagine. And, it is /truly/ disabling, as painful and
limiting as any other disability.

Just passing it along.

Steve/asian_lovr2
 







From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Aug 10 22:07:48 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:07:48 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How Far is too far?
References: <cfbfie+u8ql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c47f26$79bb0140$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Paula wrote:

<Don't want to step on any toes and I'm
certainly not a shrink? But, what kind
of phobia could keep one "basically alone"? Is
this really a phobia, or do you
just really prefer a private, quiet, and
focused life?>

Well, Paula, below is a list of phobia's I
have been diagnosed with at one point in time
since the age of thirteen...pick one.

But yes, they are phobias, not just a choice.
I honestly used to be the happy, bubbly,
rather hyperactive person you all know me as,
outside the computer.  But sadly that was
stripped away from me.

<Sounds to me that you're very lucky, being
able to spend time and
energy on something you really enjoy rather
than being forced to work...>

Oh I did have a job once...a job I loved more
then anything.  You see, I was an actress,
from a young age.  It was my passion, my gift.
I wanted nothing more then to stay on that
stage and bask in the glare of lights.  But as
you'll see from the list below, it's rather
hard to continue your dream, when you spend
every moment before stepping on that stage in
a fit of panic, struggling to keep from
screaming, vomiting, or just generally going
insane.

And before you say it, no it wasn't stage
fright (general stage fright, there's two
versions).  That I can deal with, that fuels
me.  I'm talking about mind numbing, vision
blinding, screaming terror across every nerve
ending of your body panic that can leave you
curled up in a ball in a dark corner rocking
back and forth while others watch you trying
to figure out how to get you to speak complete
sentences.

I've learned to deal with my problems in a way
that I can live my life (I managed to make it
to PoA in NYC which held close to 600 HP
fans), but most of the time, those are special
events.   I just can't deal with the stress
daily any more.

The Phobia's Doctors Claim I Have (there's a
list because no one's sure)
Crowded public places like markets-
Agoraphobia (This is probably wrong as I love
to shop, go to movies, ect)
Crowds or mobs- Enochlophobia, Demophobia or
Ochlophobia
Speaking in public- Glossophobia (This can
include any public such as a store or public
phone, both of which I have issues with)
Stage fright- Topophobia (The more severe
kind)
Stared at, being- Ophthalmophobia (This one
leaves you very paranoid, I have experienced
it)

I also have three other phobia's unrelated to
the main issue, one stemming from a rape, one
being a fear of spiders (that I've almost got
licked) and is rather sad but I have a phobia
of Ventriloquist's dummies.  Neither of these
three are disabling though so I deal with them
easier (I've also been working on them
longer).

Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define
the term rescue to you. It's not to come and
then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From sydenmill at msn.com  Tue Aug 10 23:47:47 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:47:47 -0000
Subject: How far is too far?
In-Reply-To: <010601c47daf$aebd3200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cfbmr3+6l7c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> This groups...being what it is, I thought
> would be the best place to ask this question.
> 
> How far is too far when talking about Harry
> Potter?  How much should one be involved in
> this fandom, before it's bad for them?
> 
> I spend ten hours a day in this fandom, which
> seems like a lot.  
 
> So have I gone too far?  
 
> Saitaina
> ****



Bohcoo replies:
Hi, Saitaina. I know you are very familiar with the following words 
of wisdom from Dumbledore to Harry in Sorcerer's Stone: "It does not 
do to dwell on dreams and forget to live, remember that."

However, I do understand the comfort and security you derive from 
your lifestyle choices. I'm not suggesting you abandon those choices, 
just perhaps try to refine them a bit. There is no way to make these 
suggestions to you without sounding like I am some sort of know-it-
all -- and, please, please don't take them that way. Your post really 
touched me and I wanted to say these things to you in case they were 
of some help to you.

Perhaps there are things you could do to broaden your experiences a 
little, but still stay within your comfort zone. Why not take your 
interest in all things Potter to some new directions? Why not branch 
into some of the topics the books cover? Begin your own research 
project on the history of magic -- or the myths of dragons -- or the 
scientific validity of potions. Do you see? You can continue to 
indulge your "Harry Potter" passion while diversifying a bit to give 
yourself some variety and dimension. 

Every door you open holds an adventure on the other side. If you are 
more comfortable taking your adventures solo, go for it. Who knows 
what you may discover?

Best of luck to you,
Bohcoo




From dzny72 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 10 14:36:18 2004
From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:36:18 -0000
Subject: Theory on HBP
Message-ID: <cfamh2+2cj4@eGroups.com>

I am new here, so please forgive if this topic has already been 
discussed or I have posted to the wrong list.  What about Colin 
Creevy as the HBP?  I am currently rereading CoS, and IIRC, Colin 
only mentions that his father is a milkman, and doesn't mention his 
mother at all.  Or Justin Finch-Fletchley--he says that he was 
originally going to attend Eton, but then got his letter from 
Hogwarts.  He goes on to say that he has had his mother read 
Lockhart's books. . . but doesn't mention his father.  (Sorry, I 
can't quote page numbers--my book is at home and I am at work!) Could 
it be possible that either of these characters, while not playing a 
huge role in CoS, may be the HBP?  If anyone has any info, theory, 
etc. to make this impossible, please send feedback.  Thanks!!!!

Zaxmom





From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 10:27:31 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:27:31 -0000
Subject: I need cake ideas
Message-ID: <cfcsaj+rtga@eGroups.com>

I think I've bored people here before talking about my real life 
Hermione and I'm off again. (sorry)

A lady was cooing over her at our local market yesterday. At least 
she was until I told her where her name had come from. I then got 
quite a telling off for giving her such an ungodly name and that 
Harry Potter would be long forgotten by the time she grew up. She 
did give her approval to my older daughter, Tabitha, as a fine 
biblical name. Not that I was at all amused by the idea of having a 
family of fictional witches of course.

I (very politely) disagreed and suggested she take a look at John 
Granger's fine book but it's stirred a few slightly mischievous 
ideas for me:)

Hermione is due to be baptised during the morning service in our 
local church later this month. I'd like to work a Potteresque 
Christian symbol into her cake decoration I think. I'm just a bit 
stuck for ideas that suit Hermione. I quite like the idea of an 
immature silver unicorn but somehow they seem better associated with 
Lily or Luna and the idea of sacrifice, faith and innocence.

I'd love to hear anyone's ideas. Something relating to intellect 
within the Christian faith maybe?
Thanks for giving this a thought for me
Sam




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 10:31:00 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:31:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How far is too far?
Message-ID: <20040811103100.43359.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>

11Aug04
 
Asian_lovr2 wrote:

"Equally not wanting to offend, I must still wonder whether you have lead a bit of a sheltered life yourself. There are many many phobias that cause people great anxiety and panic under certain circumstances.
I saw one on TV recently where a woman had an unnatural fear of making
left turns. ...it was disabling. She still drove a car, but would use maps to plan out elaborate routes to get where she wanted to go making only
right-hand turns.

Fear, panic, and anxiety at leaving your house is far far more common... And, it is /truly/ disabling, as painful and limiting as any other disability."

Paula Now:
Wow, did you ever hit home!  I don't know if you're in Britain (where they drive on the left) or North America(where they drive on the right), but when I drove in the States, I always planned routes not to have any unprotected left turns because I just didn't trust myself to judge the distance of the on-coming traffic.  Actually, have to admit though that I did generally try to avoid left turns all together because even a protected left turn can really hold up one's trip since the left turn arrow is usually very short, and in heavy traffic a significant delay.  But get this, I once read in a Triple A guide that a driver should generally plan a trip with the fewest turns as possible for maximum safety.  So maybe this lady just had an exaggerrated fear due to her lack of depth perception.
 
Saitaina wrote:
"But yes, they are phobias, not just a choice.
I honestly used to be the happy, bubbly,
rather hyperactive person you all know me as,
outside the computer. But sadly that was
stripped away from me.

Oh I did have a job once...a job I loved more
then anything. You see, I was an actress,
from a young age. It was my passion, my gift.
I wanted nothing more then to stay on that
stage and bask in the glare of lights. But...it's rather hard to continue your dream, when you spend
every moment before stepping on that stage in
a fit of panic, struggling to keep from
screaming, vomiting, or just generally going
insane...."

 
Paula:
OK, now I get your point.  This is basically what a counselor told me many years ago.  A phobia, by definition prevents, a person from doing something that he really wants to do.
 
Have to admit that this is a sensitive subject for me.  I went to counseling many years ago because it was generally thought that I'm agoraphobic.  After a few sessions, the counselor concluded that I wasn't, but simly a "very private person" as he put it--ie too much racket and too many people just get on my nerves to the point of causing many of the symptoms that you described. Subsequent psychological tests backed up this counselor's (and my) opinion--so who knows?  Whatever the case, I sincerely hope and pray that you will one day overcome these phobias and return to acting.  It's such a shame to let a wonderful talent go to waste.
 
A little aside, I prepare Astrological Natal Charts, my love for peace and quiet is a dominant theme in my Natal Chart.  If you'd like to contact me off-list, I'd be happy to prepare yours.
 
Health and Happiness to all,
Paula Gaon







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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 10:39:00 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How far is too far?
Message-ID: <20040811103900.2682.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>

11Aug04
 
Bohcoo wrote:

"...Every door you open holds an adventure on the other side. If you are more comfortable taking your adventures solo, go for it. Who knows what you may discover?"

Paula now:
Bohcoo, this is beautiful!  When you think about it, this has been a major role of literature throughout human history.
 
Paula Gaon



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From ryokas at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 11 11:10:35 2004
From: ryokas at hotmail.com (kizor0)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:10:35 -0000
Subject: Ginny Weasley's Birthday at JKRowling.com
Message-ID: <cfcurb+kdt4@eGroups.com>

According to the official website,
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/anniversary.cfm , today is Ginny's
birthday.

Did we know that?





From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 11:23:36 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:23:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ginny Weasley's Birthday at JKRowling.com
Message-ID: <20040811112336.92616.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com>


11Aug04

"kizor0" <ryokas at h...>  wrote:

According to the official website,
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/anniversary.cfm , today is Ginny's
birthday.

Paula:

Thanks, I sure didn't.  At JKR's other site http://www.jkrowling.com/ Ginny's birthday is marked on the desk calender.  Humm, she's a Leo like Harry.  Think we can expect more "fire" from her?  How old is Ginny now?

Paula





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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 13:13:49 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:13:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need cake ideas
References: <cfcsaj+rtga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <13c001c47fa5$0a7779b0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Sam, the more I think of it, the more I like the unicorn idea.  Unicorns
figure very strongly in Madeleine L'engle's writing.  I recommend that you
read A Swiftly Tilting Planet.  I think you'll feel a lot better about using
a unicorn if you do read that book.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Aug 11 13:12:49 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:12:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need cake ideas
References: <cfcsaj+rtga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c47fa4$e7509ac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Sam, I agree with June.  The unicorn would be
perfect...though perhaps maybe a golden unicorn?

And I must say, well handling of the...lady.  I
think Hermione is a perfectly lovely name, but of
course, this is coming from the woman who wants to
name her first born son Draco.  At least you
choose one that won't have heads whipping around
if you yell it in a crowded place.  :o)

Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the
term rescue to you. It's not to come and then
having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this
and plow face-first into a tree because I was
looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be
having a better day than I am today."




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Aug 11 13:20:00 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:20:00 -0000
Subject: Theory on HBP
In-Reply-To: <cfamh2+2cj4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfd6e0+cuei@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dzny72" <dzny72 at y...> wrote:
> I am new here, so please forgive if this topic has already been 
> discussed or I have posted to the wrong list.  What about Colin 
> Creevy as the HBP?  I am currently rereading CoS, and IIRC, Colin 
> only mentions that his father is a milkman, and doesn't mention his 
> mother at all.  Or Justin Finch-Fletchley--he says that he was 
> originally going to attend Eton, but then got his letter from 
> Hogwarts.  He goes on to say that he has had his mother read 
> Lockhart's books. . . but doesn't mention his father.  (Sorry, I 
> can't quote page numbers--my book is at home and I am at work!) 
Could 
> it be possible that either of these characters, while not playing a 
> huge role in CoS, may be the HBP?  If anyone has any info, theory, 
> etc. to make this impossible, please send feedback.  Thanks!!!!
> 

Both Colin and Justin, along with Hermione and Penelope Clearwater, 
were petrified by the basilisk. Tom Riddle explained later --

" Haven't you guessed yet, Harry Potter?" said Riddle softly. "Ginny 
Weasley opened the Chamber of Secrets. She strangled the school 
roosters and daubed threatening messages on the walls. She set the
Serpent of Slytherin on four Mudbloods, and the Squib's cat.

Thus, it seems that neither Colin or Justin are of wizardly stock (we 
know of course that Hermione is not - we know nothing of Penelope's 
parent, but this statement from Riddle would certainly seem to 
confirm that they are non-magical).

   - CMC (who seriously doubts the Prince is going to be a Hogwarts 
student)







From rxtlc at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 13:36:24 2004
From: rxtlc at comcast.net (poppywannab)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:36:24 -0000
Subject: a few questions
Message-ID: <cfd7co+a1rf@eGroups.com>

Complements of my dear sweet hubby who loves to ask difficult questions:

How many different ways can one bet on a Quidditch game?  *this is my follow up 
question- what would YOU bet on?*

Any ideas on where Harry's parents are buried?

That's all for now...
Poppywannab/Jenn, who is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her very own little Leo, but is 
kind of happy that she didn't deliver on Harry's birthday since Harrison is one of the 
names picked out for her baby (I'd have some explaining to do ... )




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Aug 12 09:51:20 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Jo Raggett)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:51:20 -0000
Subject: a few questions
In-Reply-To: <cfd7co+a1rf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cffeio+98ka@eGroups.com>

 "poppywannab" wrote:
> Complements of my dear sweet hubby who loves to ask difficult 
questions:
> 
> How many different ways can one bet on a Quidditch game?  *this is 
> my follow up question- what would YOU bet on?*


Aggie: 
My word!! There must be hundreds of ways to bet on a Quidditch game!! 
Lets see:  Which team will win,   Which team/player will get the 
snitch,  Which team will score first,  Which player will score 
first,  how many points either of the teams will get,  How many 
points a certain player will get,  Which team/player will score the 
most fouls,  How long a game will go on for,  Which hoop will let the 
most goals in, which chaser will get hit the most by a bludger, Which 
player will have to receive medical(?) treatment first

The list is endless!!

I wouldn't bet on it at all!!



> Any ideas on where Harry's parents are buried?
> 


Aggie:
No canon for anything but I would say either at Hogwarts (if there 
*is* a graveyard there) or at Godric's Hollow.


> Poppywannab/Jenn, who is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her very 
>own little Leo, but is kind of happy that she didn't deliver on 
>Harry's birthday since Harrison is one of the names picked out for ??
>her baby (I'd have some explaining to do ... )


Aggie:
All the best!!!  Remember, chin down and no screaming when you need 
to push!!!  It uses too much energy!!!  ;o)))
Hope it all goes well for you. 




From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Aug 12 10:05:09 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:05:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: a few questions
In-Reply-To: <cffeio+98ka@eGroups.com>
References: <cffeio+98ka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1092305112.19ECB8EE@s29.dngr.org>


> "poppywannab" wrote that she is anxiously awaiting
the arrival of her very
> own little Leo, but is kind of happy that she didn't deliver on
> Harry's birthday since Harrison is one of the names picked out for ??
> her baby (I'd have some explaining to do ... )


Five years and thriteen days ago (yes, July 31) I went into labor with 
my first child - and we had already decided that his name would be 
Harrison.

Luckily for all of us, labor stopped for about 22 hours, and I didn't 
deliver until August 2, and given that Alfonso Cuaron has commented on 
my son's Potter-esque looks (confirmed by everyone who came to 
POAIMAXFTL and Nimbus) that was probably a good thing.

Good luck with labor & delivery - I had two kids sans painkillers (and 
one was an induction) and you forget when you hold the ickle that it 
ever hurt at all.


Heidi



From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 12 11:22:10 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 04:22:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: a few questions
In-Reply-To: <cffeio+98ka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040812112210.95776.qmail@web61002.mail.yahoo.com>




"poppywannab" wrote:
 anxiously awaiting the arrival of her very 
>own little Leo, but is kind of happy that she didn't deliver on 
>Harry's birthday since Harrison is one of the names picked out for ??
>her baby (I'd have some explaining to do ... )

Now Me:

       Best of luck from me too:) My first one was an induction, like Heidi, only I shamelessly hid behind an epidural. Number two was all done and dusted in under four hours with nothing more than a few outbusts of swearing at hubby.

Doesn't matter how they get here, just get it over with and get on with enjoying your first cuddle. Let us know how you get on, and congratulations!

Sam


		
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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 12 13:25:24 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: a few questions
In-Reply-To: <1092305112.19ECB8EE@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <20040812132524.93732.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Heidi Tandy <lists at heidi8.com> wrote:

> ....and you forget when you hold the ickle that it 
> ever hurt at all.
> 


I just have to laugh everytime I hear someone say this!  Mom of two here
(17 and 15), and I've never 'forgotten' -- and I'm not above reminding my
two, when they're truly getting on my last nerve, how I suffered for hours
and hours and days and days (okay, 6 hours and 4 hours, respectively) just
so they could stand in front of me at that particular moment lipping off
to me.  Of course, after the 'nth telling, the only response I get is a
long-suffering-teenager-rolling-the-eyes look.

I don't think you forget, I just think that when you're looking at the
results, you realize it was worth it.  

And, even though I'm 39 now and my baby is 15, I'd have another in a
heartbeat, if I still could.

MJ

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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Aug 12 13:28:58 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:28:58 -0000
Subject: Accio Call for Papers
Message-ID: <cffraq+bgc2@eGroups.com>

Accio UK is pleased to announce the release of the
Call for Papers (CFP) for the first Harry Potter
conference sponsored by HPfGU, to be held in the UK between 29th-
31st July 2005 at the University of Reading. The text of the CFP
follows this introduction, and may also be found at
this link:  http://www.accio.org.uk/call4papers.shtml 

We welcome submissions by both members of the academic/professional 
community, and also adult fandom participants.

Please note that the topic areas noted in the CFP
are only suggestions - we are open to proposals on
any aspect of the Harry Potter fandom.

Proposals may take the form of a 500 word abstract
or a completed conference paper (no more than 4,000
words). Please note that submissions must be
sent electronically by 31st December 2004.

Please contact us at submissions @ Accio.org.uk if
you wish to make alternative arrangements.


Please read the CFP carefully to note all of the
particulars. We are looking forward to receiving
your submissions!

Ali Hewison
For Accio UK


*********************************************************************

Accio 2005
University of Reading, UK
July 29-31, 2005

Call for Papers

Accio UK is aimed at both academics and adult fans
of the Harry Potter series.  The Programming
Committee is therefore inviting proposals from both
sectors for presentations, moderated panels, debates
and workshops on any topic relating to the Harry
Potter phenomenon.

Suggested Topics for Presentations, Panels and
Workshops

Topics may include, but are certainly not limited
to:

- Characterisation   Archetypal yet unconventional
 or merely one-dimensional stereotypes?  The scope
 here is enormous, and papers are welcomed on
 individual/group character studies or thematic
 overviews.


- Religious Studies:  Religious and spiritual
 responses and interpretations of the series.

- Social Issues, including
  Gender Studies: the role of women in the Harry
  Potter Series.

- Race Relations in HP:  Real and analogous
  Class portrayal:  A pretence of meritocracy?

- Legal Issues:  The Legal System, Government and
  Justice in the Wizarding World.

- Comparative Studies:  Areas of interest within
  this area include:

  Religion.  How various religious groups use the
  series and how this compares with treatment of other
  fantasy series by authors such as CS Lewis, Tolkien,
  Philip Pullman.

  The phenomenon and appeal of Cross-Over
  literature (e.g., Philip Pullman's His Dark
  Materials trilogy), and the serious life issues this
  recently classified genre frequently explores.

- Mythopoeia, Etymology and other sources of
  inspiration:  How appreciation of JK Rowling's use
  of "what has gone before" is important to our
  understanding of the series.

- Education:  The inclusion of the Harry Potter
  series in curricula (from primary education through
  to graduate studies) and dealing with the issues
  involved.  For example, for those educating
  pre-teens, the treatment of death in the series.

  An Educator's perspective on teaching in the
  Wizarding World.

- The Heroic Quest:  What makes a Hero?  Could
  include discussion of predestination and the idea of
  the "Chosen One" and the much stressed concept of individual 
choice.

 - Alchemy and Symbolism:  The search for the
   Philosopher's Stone, Hidden Meanings within the
   text, and other Gnostic Elements.

 - Concepts of Power:  The Battle between Good and
   Evil and the controversial depiction of "grey"
   areas.

-	Fandom Concerns:  May include:

  Battles with Interpretation, including character
  portrayal and their potential relationships in the
  series (and beyond):
 
  Fanfiction and Intellectual Property issues.

  Reinventing the Series:  The relationship between a continuing 
series and the fanfiction community Reclaiming the Canon:  JK 
Rowling's relationship with the online fandom community


 Time Blocks

 Two concurrent tracks will run over two days of
 programming.  Time blocks in multiples of 30 minutes
 will be available:  proposals should therefore
 specify the estimated amount of time required for
 the presentation, and should also indicate how much 
 time allowance should be made for post-talk
 discussion/ Q&A sessions.


 Submissions
 Deadline:  31st December 2004
 Proposals should be either an abstract (500 word
 max) or a completed conference paper (4,000 word max). We are
 accepting e-mail submissions only, and any
 attachments should be in Microsoft Word.

 Please send to the following address, including
"Accio 2005 Proposal Submission" in the subject
 line.  Submissions @ accio.org.uk.

 Selected Presenters will be notified by week ending
 31st January, 2005, and will be expected to register
 for the conference when confirming that they will be
 present.  Presenters are expected to submit a
 conference paper for publication in the Proceedings
 by 21st June 2005. This paper should be no
 greater than 4,000 words. Please note that
 publication in the Proceedings will be dependent
 upon attendance.

 Attendees

 All presenters and participants must be at least 18
 years of age, as Accio is an adults-only event.


 Disclaimers

 Accio UK is an unofficial event and is not endorsed
 by JK Rowling or her representatives, Warner Bros.,
 or the Harry Potter book publishers.






From grapfnt at netscape.net  Thu Aug 12 15:33:39 2004
From: grapfnt at netscape.net (mindy bindy)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:33:39 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Accio Call for Papers
References: <cffraq+bgc2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <411B8DD3.6070701@netscape.net>

Ali at zymurgy.org wrote:
> Accio UK is pleased to announce the release of the
> Call for Papers (CFP) for the first Harry Potter
> conference sponsored by HPfGU, to be held in the UK between 29th-
> 31st July 2005 at the University of Reading. The text of the CFP
> follows this introduction, and may also be found at
> this link:  http://www.accio.org.uk/call4papers.shtml
> 
>...

> 
>   Fanfiction and Intellectual Property issues.
> 
>   Reinventing the Series:  The relationship between a continuing
> series and the fanfiction community Reclaiming the Canon:  JK
> Rowling's relationship with the online fandom community
> 
> 
I am actually writing something like this for my MA, and might try to 
re-jig it for presentation. (see
http://www.livejournal.com/users/grapefruitzzz/5999.html#cutid1
and
http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~heather/hp/ all help gratefully received 
thanks )

Of course, it would help if I actually finished it instead of reading 
boards!





From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 12 15:45:29 2004
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:45:29 -0000
Subject: Hurricane Charley a coming....
Message-ID: <cfg3ap+tfp3@eGroups.com>

Hey guys and gals im pretty nervous about this thing coming to Tampa. 
It was predicted to go around Tampa but now they have it coming right 
over us as a Catagory 2 and I never been part of a Hurricane before so 
I am pretty nervous and scared and excited. I think im above high 
grounds I dont know for sure but everyone is going crazy about this. 
Im just pretty much worried about my fiance's mother who lives in St. 
Pete by the water and I already told him to tell her to come to our 
house if she needs to evacuate and she told him that I was so sweet 
that I am a keeper and that he needs to hold on to me. She doesnt know 
yet that we are engaged but she will know soon. 
Ok I got to go now and head to Home Depot and get plywood and 
groceries and what nots for this storm. 
Just say a prayer for us Florida people yall. God I wish I lived in 
Alaska or somewhere where dont have to deal with Hurricanes and 
Tornadoes and whatnots.
Ok enough rammling got to go now and get stuff before I go to work at 
noon. 

Tasha




From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Aug 12 15:49:11 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:49:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hurricane Charley a coming....
In-Reply-To: <cfg3ap+tfp3@eGroups.com>
References: <cfg3ap+tfp3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1092325755.1D594DE@s5.dngr.org>

Tasha- you'll be fine. I've been through category 2's a few times, and 
while you may lose power (so make sure you have things like water and 
crackers and things that don't need heat or a fridge) they're not really 
huge property-damage-causers.

Stock up on large lantern-flashlights & batteries! And good luck!

Heidi



On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:46am, Tasha wrote:
> Hey guys and gals im pretty nervous about this thing coming to Tampa.
It was predicted to go around Tampa but now they have it coming right
over us as a Catagory 2 and I never been part of a Hurricane before so
I am pretty nervous and scared and excited. I think im above high
grounds I dont know for sure but everyone is going crazy about this.
Im just pretty much worried about my fiance's mother who lives in St.
Pete by the water and I already told him to tell her to come to our
house if she needs to evacuate and she told him that I was so sweet
that I am a keeper and that he needs to hold on to me. She doesnt know
yet that we are engaged but she will know soon.
Ok I got to go now and head to Home Depot and get plywood and
groceries and what nots for this storm.
Just say a prayer for us Florida people yall. God I wish I lived in
Alaska or somewhere where dont have to deal with Hurricanes and
Tornadoes and whatnots.
Ok enough rammling got to go now and get stuff before I go to work at
noon.
Tasha
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From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 12 17:25:30 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:25:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hurricane Charley a coming....
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Message-ID: <0da701c48091$5e240a50$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, Tasha, good luck during the storm!!  I am so glad that your fiance's
mother likes you.  That is a good thing indeed.  I hope that the storm is a
nice one and passes you by.

Littlekat
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tasha" <bruney200 at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hurricane Charley a coming....


Hey guys and gals im pretty nervous about this thing coming to Tampa.
It was predicted to go around Tampa but now they have it coming right
over us as a Catagory 2 and I never been part of a Hurricane before so
I am pretty nervous and scared and excited. I think im above high
grounds I dont know for sure but everyone is going crazy about this.
Im just pretty much worried about my fiance's mother who lives in St.
Pete by the water and I already told him to tell her to come to our
house if she needs to evacuate and she told him that I was so sweet
that I am a keeper and that he needs to hold on to me. She doesnt know
yet that we are engaged but she will know soon.
Ok I got to go now and head to Home Depot and get plywood and
groceries and what nots for this storm.
Just say a prayer for us Florida people yall. God I wish I lived in
Alaska or somewhere where dont have to deal with Hurricanes and
Tornadoes and whatnots.
Ok enough rammling got to go now and get stuff before I go to work at
noon.

Tasha




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From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 12 18:07:43 2004
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hurricane Charley a coming....
In-Reply-To: <0da701c48091$5e240a50$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <20040812180743.91280.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks LittleKat
I need the luck
 
Tash

Littlekat10 <littlekat10 at comcast.net> wrote:
Oh, Tasha, good luck during the storm!!  I am so glad that your fiance's
mother likes you.  That is a good thing indeed.  I hope that the storm is a
nice one and passes you by.

Littlekat
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tasha" <bruney200 at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hurricane Charley a coming....


Hey guys and gals im pretty nervous about this thing coming to Tampa.
It was predicted to go around Tampa but now they have it coming right
over us as a Catagory 2 and I never been part of a Hurricane before so
I am pretty nervous and scared and excited. I think im above high
grounds I dont know for sure but everyone is going crazy about this.
Im just pretty much worried about my fiance's mother who lives in St.
Pete by the water and I already told him to tell her to come to our
house if she needs to evacuate and she told him that I was so sweet
that I am a keeper and that he needs to hold on to me. She doesnt know
yet that we are engaged but she will know soon.
Ok I got to go now and head to Home Depot and get plywood and
groceries and what nots for this storm.
Just say a prayer for us Florida people yall. God I wish I lived in
Alaska or somewhere where dont have to deal with Hurricanes and
Tornadoes and whatnots.
Ok enough rammling got to go now and get stuff before I go to work at
noon.

Tasha




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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 01:52:09 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:52:09 -0000
Subject: Baby names
Message-ID: <cfh6s9+3f83@eGroups.com>

All this talk of naming children after HP characters has got me 
thinking.  I have four children, and this isn't the first time I 
have wished that I had been "into"  HP when I had my last child - 
the others were born before the books came out.  If I had read the 
books before my daughter had been born, I would have liked to name 
her Lily. 

What would some of you have named your children if you used the HP 
books to pick out names?  

Alora :)




From LadyNeptune6627 at aol.com  Fri Aug 13 02:18:54 2004
From: LadyNeptune6627 at aol.com (LadyNeptune6627 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:18:54 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Baby names
Message-ID: <97.4bb16115.2e4d7f0e@aol.com>

:) Well, I haven't got kids yet, but if I have them in the future...

For a girl's names, I've always liked Minerva (but I wouldn't call her 
"Minnie" for short) and Millicent.

If I happen to have male twins, it would be amusing to call them Fred and 
George (or maybe Gred and Forge, if I'm feeling particularly humorous after the 
delivery).  For a single boy, I think I'd go with Voldemort. ("Oh, what a 
precious little baby! What's his name?" "Oh, it's Voldemort. He's name after the 
meandering villain in Harry Potter.  Little voldie-kins! Such a good fit.")  
Just kidding. ;)  heh.  

queen_beetle, who named her cat Percy before OoTP was released




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From suzchiles at pobox.com  Fri Aug 13 02:21:41 2004
From: suzchiles at pobox.com (Suzanne)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:21:41 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Baby names
In-Reply-To: <cfh6s9+3f83@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c480dc$47548b60$0400a8c0@domain.actdsltmp>

> 
> What would some of you have named your children if you used the HP 
> books to pick out names?  
> 
> Alora :)

I don't know about babies, but some friends of mine named their
ginger-colored cat Snitch. And it suits her perfectly.

Suzanne




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 03:50:40 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:50:40 -0000
Subject: Baby names
In-Reply-To: <000201c480dc$47548b60$0400a8c0@domain.actdsltmp>
Message-ID: <cfhdqg+10c4g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" <suzchiles at p...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > What would some of you have named your children if you used the 
HP 
> > books to pick out names?  

I don't have kids, but I have a pet named Hermione and another that 
was nearly named Norbert (but friends protested)...
<:\

A.J.




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Aug 13 03:48:03 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:48:03 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Baby names
References: <000201c480dc$47548b60$0400a8c0@domain.actdsltmp>
Message-ID: <010101c480e8$563e2da0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Alora wrote:

<What would some of you have named your children
if you used the HP
books to pick out names?>

Well, I don't have children (yet, hopefully soon
if I can find a way), but the names already
selected in my mind for my first born male and
first born female are Draco Thomas M-M (Combining
two HP Characters, Draco and Voldemort) and
Narcissa Rajani M-M (Rajani means night which my
mother selected over the possible middle name of
Black).

Saitaina
****
And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the
term rescue to you. It's not to come and then
having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this
and plow face-first into a tree because I was
looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be
having a better day than I am today."




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 12:07:59 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]
In-Reply-To: <20040807044800.39553.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040813120759.35077.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello good people.  Sorry I have not posted in a while but I have been trying in vain to keep up with the posts (think I need eye surgery - glasses just won't cut it).
 
I need a little help.  I am about to get a new puppy and I need help with a name.  She is going to be a show dog so I want one that is going to sound good announced on TV on the Eukanuba Cup  ; )
 
She is a very gentle spirit.  She is a sable and white sheltie (her picture is at southcrestshelties.com  then click on nursery - she is in the bottom picture - she's the one on the right).
 
Her father is Southcrest Writing Onthewall (Graffitti) and her mom is Southcrest Cinnamon N Spice (Janet).  I have to use Southcrest in the name and can only have 28 letters and spaces.  I was thinking something along the lines of sugar quill, or something like that.  Any ideas??
 
 
 
 
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From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Aug 13 12:25:33 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Jo Raggett)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:25:33 -0000
Subject: She's SOOOO cute!!
In-Reply-To: <20040813120759.35077.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfibvt+2uvj@eGroups.com>

KG>  
> I need a little help.  I am about to get a new puppy and I need 
>help with a name.  She is going to be a show dog so I want one that 
>is going to sound good announced on TV on the Eukanuba Cup  ; )
>She is a very gentle spirit.  She is a sable and white sheltie (her 
>picture is at southcrestshelties.com  then click on nursery - she is 
>in the bottom picture - she's the one on the right).



Aggie:
She's adorable!!  I've been staring at her picture for a while trying 
to come up with a name for you!

Everything I can think of is too Harry Potterish though!  

My only input would be along the lines of 'Red Heads Rule' and then 
name her after your favourite Weasley and/or Dumbledore (don't know 
why but she *really* feels DDish to me!) for an everyday name.  I 
know she's not really a 'red head' but that's all I can come up 
with!  

I'm sure others will be more helpful!!!

Sugar Quill sounds good too.  Maybe you could make a play on words 
like Grafitti's name!  I liked that!!     




From rxtlc at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 12:37:16 2004
From: rxtlc at comcast.net (poppywannab)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:37:16 -0000
Subject: Yet another question from my husband...
Message-ID: <cficls+o06t@eGroups.com>

Thank you to all for the suportive words as I face near-certain induction of labor in the 
next week to urge my little one into this world.  HPfGU has been a good distraction during 
this time.  I may bring OOP with me to the non-stress test just to keep my mind off of 
things.
 Now, onto the hubby question of the day:
"imdb.com has posted what it says is the complete cast list of the movie Harry Potter and 
the Goblet of Fire.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/fullcredits

My only concern / question is the fact that three relatively important characters are not 
listed in these credits.  (And a fair number of lesser characters...)

Can anyone identify the three important characters I didn't see in the cast list?"


There are some gaps- no Bagman, to start with.   It's too early for me to think of anyone 
else right now and I have some serious nesting to do, so I leave you to investigate and 
enjoy.





From lists at heidi8.com  Fri Aug 13 12:42:35 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:42:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yet another question from my husband...
In-Reply-To: <cficls+o06t@eGroups.com>
References: <cficls+o06t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1092400959.39AB9E29@s5.dngr.org>


On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 8:37am, poppywannab wrote:
> Thank you to all for the suportive words as I face near-certain 
> induction of labor in the
next week to urge my little one into this world.? HPfGU has been a good 
distraction during
this time.? I may bring OOP with me to the non-stress test just to keep 
my mind off of
things.

Good idea, imo. I brought PoA to delivery both times and found it nicely 
distracting, but I also recommend having an mp3 player with a few hours 
of favorite songs, and/or a small dvd player. You may be in labor for 
14+ hours, but it's possible that, like it was for me, the first 10 
hours will be somewhat dull and easy-ish.

> Now, onto the hubby question of the day:
"imdb.com has posted what it says is the complete cast list of the movie 
Harry Potter and
the Goblet of Fire.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/fullcredits
My only concern / question is the fact that three relatively important 
characters are not
listed in these credits.? (And a fair number of lesser characters...)
Can anyone identify the three important characters I didn't see in the 
cast list?"
There are some gaps- no Bagman, to start with.?? It's too early for me 
to think of anyone
else right now and I have some serious nesting to do, so I leave you to 
investigate and
enjoy.


The cast list they currently have is from the press release WB sent out 
back in July - it was before Ralph Finnes was cast as Voldemort, for 
example. We're still not sure if a Bagman has been cast, but we didn't 
know Emma had been cast as Trelawney until 2/3 of the PoA filming was 
finished.




From rxtlc at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 12:43:49 2004
From: rxtlc at comcast.net (poppywannab)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:43:49 -0000
Subject: Baby names
In-Reply-To: <cfhdqg+10c4g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfid25+mpuo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" <suzchiles at p...> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > What would some of you have named your children if you used the 
> HP 
> > > books to pick out names?  
> 
> I don't have kids, but I have a pet named Hermione and another that 
> was nearly named Norbert (but friends protested)...
> <:\
> 
> A.J.
I think Norbert is a great name- for a pet!! 
Personally, I picked out Harry a long time ago, way before HP came along, as a name for 
my future son, but it get sticky when your last initial becomes a "P" and your due date is in 
the neighborhood of  7/31.  
If I had a really nasty Siamese cat, I would consider calling it Voldie or maybe Marvolo... 
the personality would have to fit.  I've known a few cats that could qualify.  And of course I 
DO like Poppy, even as a nickname...
Jenn/Poppywannab




From allisonotto at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 13:04:09 2004
From: allisonotto at gmail.com (allison_m_otto)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:04:09 -0000
Subject: Baby names
In-Reply-To: <cfid25+mpuo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfie89+tnnv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poppywannab" <rxtlc at c...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> 
wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" 
<suzchiles at p...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > What would some of you have named your children if you used 
the 
> > HP 
> > > > books to pick out names?  


I always kind of liked Harry, too.  It was the name of a Broadway 
actor I really liked as a pre-teen, and also the prince.  While I 
don't have children yet, my cats are named Molly and Minerva (but we 
do call her Minnie).  I'm beginning to get oddly attached to the name 
Andromeda, though . . .




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 13:50:20 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:50:20 -0000
Subject: Baby names/Pet names
In-Reply-To: <cfie89+tnnv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfigus+92c9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "allison_m_otto" 
> I always kind of liked Harry, too.  It was the name of a Broadway 
> actor I really liked as a pre-teen, and also the prince.  While I 
> don't have children yet, my cats are named Molly and Minerva (but 
we 
> do call her Minnie).  I'm beginning to get oddly attached to the 
name 
> Andromeda, though . . .

Ooohh, yes, I like Andromeda.  And you can't really shorten the 
beauty of the name down to an awful nickname.  Well, I guess you 
could, but why would you want to?  Lovely.  Love the cat named 
Snitch, also!  Who would have thought!  I know someone mentioned on 
this list last year that they had a flashy tropical fish named 
Gilderoy, which I thought was really funny!

I wanted to name my second son Molly (this was before I knew he was 
a boy, of course) back in 1993, but my mom flipped out.  Not quite 
sure why, because I think the name is pretty.  

As weird as this sounds, I like Emmeline, too.  Did I spell that 
right, or is it Emmaline?  Keep the names coming, I am enjoying 
hearing it all!

Alora :)




From allisonotto at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 17:34:54 2004
From: allisonotto at gmail.com (allison_m_otto)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:34:54 -0000
Subject: Baby names/Pet names
In-Reply-To: <cfigus+92c9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfiu3u+4cp7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "allison_m_otto" 
> > I'm beginning to get oddly attached to the 
> name 
> > Andromeda, though . . .
> 
> Ooohh, yes, I like Andromeda.  And you can't really shorten the 
> beauty of the name down to an awful nickname.  


Actually, I think I'm really tempted because I quite like the name 
Andy/Andie/Andi, but I already know about five people named Andrea.

I like Molly too (for a person, as well as for a cat), but I see it 
as more of a nickname and I think I would feel I should name the 
child Mary or Maureen or something.

I wonder if, about two years from now, there will be a sudden upsurge 
in unfortunate children named Nymphadora . . .




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 18:20:47 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:20:47 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]
In-Reply-To: <20040813120759.35077.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfj0pv+ed2i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
>
She is a sable and white sheltie (her picture is at 
southcrestshelties.com  then click on nursery - she is in the bottom 
picture - she's the one on the right).

(seen the video too)

That is so ADORABLE ! ! ! !  :D :D :D   ! ! ! ! 

They are so cute, I can't even think of names now.  But 
Congratulations on your little cutie!  You made my day! That pup 
eating the rug was so happy and funny... (truth in advertising...)


A.J.


http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/ajl/hp.html




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 18:22:25 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:22:25 -0000
Subject: Baby names
In-Reply-To: <cfid25+mpuo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfj0t1+sra9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poppywannab" <rxtlc at c...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> 
wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" 
<suzchiles at p...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > What would some of you have named your children if you used 
the 
> > HP 
> > > > books to pick out names?  
> > 
> > I don't have kids, but I have a pet named Hermione and another 
that 
> > was nearly named Norbert (but friends protested)...
> > <:\
> > 
> > A.J.
> I think Norbert is a great name- for a pet!! 

>:)  He's a gecko (well, he's not officially Norbert because people 
didn't like it...)  




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 19:06:22 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Baby names/Pet names
In-Reply-To: <cfiu3u+4cp7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040813190622.71602.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "allison_m_otto" 
> > I'm beginning to get oddly attached to the 
> name 
> > Andromeda, though . . .
> 
> Ooohh, yes, I like Andromeda.  And you can't really shorten the 
> beauty of the name down to an awful nickname.  




There is a tv series in the US that is a kind of cult/sci- fi that the name of the series and the title character (a space ship of all things) is Andromeda.  The nick name they use is Romie.

moonmyyst (who loves the name too)


		
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From fc26det at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 02:31:38 2004
From: fc26det at aol.com (Potterfanme)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:31:38 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]
In-Reply-To: <20040813120759.35077.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfjtia+een9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> Hello good people.  
>  
> Her father is Southcrest Writing Onthewall (Graffitti) and her mom 
is Southcrest Cinnamon N Spice (Janet).  I have to use Southcrest in 
the name and can only have 28 letters and spaces.  I was thinking 
something along the lines of sugar quill, or something like that.  
Any ideas??
>  

Maybe Southcrest Sable n Cream??
She is beautiful!

Susan
Potterfanme




From fc26det at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 02:42:13 2004
From: fc26det at aol.com (Potterfanme)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:42:13 -0000
Subject: Yet another question from my husband...
In-Reply-To: <cficls+o06t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfju65+f8le@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poppywannab" <rxtlc at c...> 
wrote:
> Thank you to all for the suportive words as I face near-certain 
induction of labor in the 
> next week to urge my little one into this world.  HPfGU has been a 
good distraction during 
> this time.  I may bring OOP with me to the non-stress test just to 
keep my mind off of 
> things.
>  Now, onto the hubby question of the day:
> "imdb.com has posted what it says is the complete cast list of the 
movie Harry Potter and 
> the Goblet of Fire.
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/fullcredits
> 
> My only concern / question is the fact that three relatively 
important characters are not 
> listed in these credits.  (And a fair number of lesser 
characters...)
> 
> Can anyone identify the three important characters I didn't see in 
the cast list?"
> 
> 
> There are some gaps- no Bagman, to start with.   It's too early for 
me to think of anyone 
> else right now and I have some serious nesting to do, so I leave 
you to investigate and 
> enjoy.

I didn't see Molly, Bill or Charlie Weasley.
Susan
Potterfanme





From spin01 at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 03:31:04 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:31:04 -0000
Subject: Yet another question from my husband...
In-Reply-To: <1092400959.39AB9E29@s5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <cfk11o+lf8t@eGroups.com>

Heidi,  Wanted to tell you that if you get induced it does not always 
mean a long labor.  I have had 4 children.  2 of them induced.  The 
longest labor of the induced kind was 4 1/2 hours.  So keep your 
spirits up and keep the book in the bag to read after the baby gets 
here also.  Congratulations in advace.
sherry
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 8:37am, poppywannab wrote:
> > Thank you to all for the suportive words as I face near-certain 
> > induction of labor in the
> next week to urge my little one into this world.?? HPfGU has been a 
good 
> distraction during
> this time.?? I may bring OOP with me to the non-stress test just to 
keep 
> my mind off of
> things.
> 
> Good idea, imo. I brought PoA to delivery both times and found it 
nicely 
> distracting, but I also recommend having an mp3 player with a few 
hours 
> of favorite songs, and/or a small dvd player. You may be in labor 
for 
> 14+ hours, but it's possible that, like it was for me, the first 10 
> hours will be somewhat dull and easy-ish.
> 
> > Now, onto the hubby question of the day:
> "imdb.com has posted what it says is the complete cast list of the 
movie 
> Harry Potter and
> the Goblet of Fire.
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/fullcredits
> My only concern / question is the fact that three relatively 
important 
> characters are not
> listed in these credits.?? (And a fair number of lesser 
characters...)
> Can anyone identify the three important characters I didn't see in 
the 
> cast list?"
> There are some gaps- no Bagman, to start with.???? It's too early 
for me 
> to think of anyone
> else right now and I have some serious nesting to do, so I leave 
you to 
> investigate and
> enjoy.
> 
> 
> The cast list they currently have is from the press release WB sent 
out 
> back in July - it was before Ralph Finnes was cast as Voldemort, 
for 
> example. We're still not sure if a Bagman has been cast, but we 
didn't 
> know Emma had been cast as Trelawney until 2/3 of the PoA filming 
was 
> finished.




From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 14 05:28:50 2004
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:28:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Quick update about after the Hurricane....
Message-ID: <20040814052850.4074.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>

Just a quick update before i go to bed. The hurricane
swiftly went away from us which was really good for us
but really bad for the others. It was forcast to come
right over us but it made a different move and it went
over my step-sisters house and i should be able to get
a hold of her tomorrow. I heard on the news that 3
people were killed because the storm was upgraded to a
Category 4 hurricane and it was a nightmare. You
should of seen the pictures on the news. One of my
favorite spots that I like to shop at when I am in
Arcadia was gone. Well I survived my first Hurricane.
I hope I wont have to deal with those again, but the
news just annouce there was two other storms out in
the Atlantic. One is a Tropical storm name Danielle
and she is out in near Africa but she is strong. There
is another out in the Wayward Islands in the Carribean
and they said it should or it might make the same path
as Charley did. It is a depression right now but it
could be stronger. I might as well leave everything as
it is and be better prepared. I hope this time we
would be able to get bottled water and ice. At least
we didnt have to use anything we bought. Better safe
than sorry.

Tasha


=====
Jesus loves you Acts 3:16 
He is the way and the truth 
Love one another even your enemies
Right Harry Potter     

 




		
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From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 14 05:40:01 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:40:01 -0000
Subject: Viktor Krum actor
Message-ID: <cfk8jh+8gjf@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know where I can find  photo of the actor who has been cast as Viktor Krum 
in Goblet of Fire? I was telling a freind that the role had been cast, and we spent an hour 
online trying to find a photo with no luck.

I know I've seen a photo somewhere, but searches of The Leaky Cauldron and Mugglenet 
turned up nothing. If you have a link to a photo, please post it, or if you have a phto, you 
can e-mail it to me off-list.

Thanks for your help,
Tyler




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Aug 14 08:41:20 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:41:20 +1000
Subject: Something good on?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEACDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
References: <cf2013+pkp0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <411E5CD0.28767.871F6B@localhost>

http://tinyurl.com/5shuo


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Aug 14 11:20:34 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Jo Raggett)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:20:34 +0100
Subject: Ludo Bagman casting
Message-ID: <002001c481f0$b860c3e0$12fd87d9@oemcomputer>

Post 10431 on movie list:

Aggie:
You scared me here as I think that Ludo Bagman's going to play an
important part in the next books and if he's omitted from the film
then that throws a wet blanket over my theory!! Anyway, I went
delving and found this...



"According to the Sidney Talent Company, Australian actor Martin
Landham has won the role of Ludo Bagman in the film version of Harry
Potter and the Goblet of Fire"

Found at http://www.hpana.com/news.15874.html






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From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Aug 14 11:57:52 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Jo Raggett)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:57:52 -0000
Subject: Something good on?
In-Reply-To: <411E5CD0.28767.871F6B@localhost>
Message-ID: <cfkuo0+5fm1@eGroups.com>

 "Shaun Hately" 

> http://tinyurl.com/5shuo >>>


Aggie:
Wow!!  This is incredible!! I can get immersed in things but I would 
like to think that I *would* notice a car crashing into the house!!!
Either that or they had a *REALLY* big house!!

LOL! Thanks for that! 





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 14 17:36:19 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:36:19 -0000
Subject: Quick update about after the Hurricane....
In-Reply-To: <20040814052850.4074.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfliij+t36f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tasha <bruney200 at y...> wrote:
> Just a quick update before i go to bed. The hurricane
> swiftly went away from us which was really good for us
> but really bad for the others. It was forcast to come
> right over us but it made a different move and it went
> over my step-sisters house and i should be able to get
> a hold of her tomorrow. I heard on the news that 3
> people were killed because the storm was upgraded to a
> Category 4 hurricane and it was a nightmare. You
> should of seen the pictures on the news. One of my
> favorite spots that I like to shop at when I am in
> Arcadia was gone. Well I survived my first Hurricane.
>Snip
 
> Tasha
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

Thank goodness you didn't get the brunt of the storm! Hopefully 
everything is ok with your step-sister. I have seen some of the 
pictures and they are so sad. Let's hope these storms are the last 
of this year to hit land....

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Aug 14 21:32:02 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:32:02 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cutie puppy
In-Reply-To: <20040813120759.35077.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfm0ci+2aqi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
  
<< Her father is Southcrest Writing Onthewall (Graffitti) and her mom
is Southcrest Cinnamon N Spice (Janet).  I have to use Southcrest in
the name and can only have 28 letters and spaces.  I was thinking
something along the lines of sugar quill, or something like that.  Any
ideas >>

Southcrest Sugarquill. That's a clever choice. 21 letters and spaces,
alliterates, references both parents's names. Father: "Writing" with a
@uill, Mother: Sugar "n Spice".




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Aug 14 23:47:18 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:47:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need cake ideas
In-Reply-To: <cfcsaj+rtga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEBPDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

How about a dove?  It's the symbol of the Holy Spirit and that is part of
Wisdom as well as peace.

Maybe a dove with a scroll???

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Aug 15 00:17:09 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:17:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Baby names
In-Reply-To: <97.4bb16115.2e4d7f0e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEECADDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[LadyNeptune6627 at aol.com]:
| If I happen to have male twins, it would be amusing to call them Fred and
| George (or maybe Gred and Forge, if I'm feeling particularly
| humorous after the
| delivery).

[Lee]:
Ah--or you could name them Draco and Dudley???? <BEG>

I have no kids, none in the offing, either.  But I always loved the names
Leland and Alexander for boys and Lela, Amanda and Alexia for the girls.  Of
course, Galadriel wouldn't be too bad either. :-)

Later,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Aug 15 15:02:14 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 15 Aug 2004 15:02:14 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1092582134.98.27052.m17@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, August 15, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From spin01 at aol.com  Sun Aug 15 16:17:46 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:17:46 -0000
Subject: I need cake ideas
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEBPDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cfo2ba+fl4h@eGroups.com>

I think for a Baptism a Dove would be much more appropriate than a 
unicorn.  As a unicorn is not mentioned in the bible anywhere.  Just 
my opinion but on such a Holy Occasion it might be better to set 
aside the Harry Potter stuff.  At least for the one day.  
sherry (hoping this does not offend anyone but there are some places 
Harry Potter does not belong and in a church for a childs baptism 
into Gods family is one of them.  I mean afterall would you consider 
putting Spongebob square pants on the cake?  

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> How about a dove?  It's the symbol of the Holy Spirit and that is 
part of
> Wisdom as well as peace.
> 
> Maybe a dove with a scroll???
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)
> 
> Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
> I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
> Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at a... (or)
> I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at o...
> Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Aug 15 16:20:00 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:20:00 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I need cake ideas
References: <cfo2ba+fl4h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c482e3$b7196b60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Sherry wrote:

<I mean afterall would you consider
putting Spongebob square pants on the cake? >

Yup.  It's all up to the person/child/family of how the event is stylized.  I know a Wiccan/Christian family who had a pentagram and
a cross on the cake.  I know another family who did Disney characters around a bassinet.

Saitaina
****
"...And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the term rescue to you. It's not to come and then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 18:35:31 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:35:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I need cake ideas
In-Reply-To: <cfo2ba+fl4h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040815183531.58897.qmail@web61007.mail.yahoo.com>


No offense taken. For me the Christian symbolism and values within Harry Potter are a huge part of the appeal. Letting it creep in on the cake was supposed to be my way of gently pointing that out, particularly to one lady I met in the week who was horrified I could call myself a Christian and have a child named Hermione. (no, she hadn't read the books.)
Lee, thank you for the dove idea, particularly with the scroll. I love it! I'm now hunting for a good Dumbledore quote and new testament parallel to go with it.
 
Sam
(Who was taught from a very young age not to do anything the rest of the week that you wouldn't do in church and hasn't quite lost her adolescent interpretation of it.)
spinelli372003 <spin01 at aol.com> wrote:
I think for a Baptism a Dove would be much more appropriate than a 
unicorn.  As a unicorn is not mentioned in the bible anywhere.  Just 
my opinion but on such a Holy Occasion it might be better to set 
aside the Harry Potter stuff.  At least for the one day.  
sherry (hoping this does not offend anyone but there are some places 
Harry Potter does not belong and in a church for a childs baptism 
into Gods family is one of them.  I mean afterall would you consider 
putting Spongebob square pants on the cake?  

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> How about a dove?  It's the symbol of the Holy Spirit and that is 
part of
> Wisdom as well as peace.
> 
> Maybe a dove with a scroll???
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)
> 
> Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
> I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
> Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at a... (or)
> I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at o...
> Walk beside me, and be my friend.



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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Aug 15 18:38:20 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:38:20 -0000
Subject: I need cake ideas
In-Reply-To: <cfcsaj+rtga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfoais+sj1n@eGroups.com>

Sam wrote:

> Hermione is due to be baptised during the morning service in our 
> local church later this month. I'd like to work a Potteresque 
> Christian symbol into her cake decoration I think. I'm just a bit 
> stuck for ideas that suit Hermione. I quite like the idea of an 
> immature silver unicorn but somehow they seem better associated 
with 
> Lily or Luna and the idea of sacrifice, faith and innocence.

How about the lightning-bolt scar?  The incident in which Harry gets 
it happens about the age children are usually baptised, and it is the 
time he is 'marked' - in accordance with prophecy, no less - as 
special.  Babies get signed on the forehead in the ceremony, after 
all.

Of course, the *closest* parallel to the drowning of the old self and 
coming up new in HP is Voldemort's rebirthing, but a red-eyed snake-
faced design might take quite a bit of explaining...  (though Jesus 
was not above comparing himself with a snake)

Of course baptism is all about sacrifice and faith, if not innocence.

David




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 18:54:22 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:54:22 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
Message-ID: <cfobgu+4m6i@eGroups.com>

I decided to post it here since main list had seen enough of HBP 
theories and I am sure will see more in the next hours. :o)

I was reading the transcript from the Edinburg festival on JKR 
website. There are many interesting things I need to think about 
further, but I wanted to point out to Snape related comment.

She reveals that he is not a muggle-born, but she did not 
specifically said that he is a pure blood, so now I am torn between 
Lupin and Snape as possible candidates for HBP.


Alla




From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 21:54:15 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:54:15 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfobgu+4m6i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfom27+rpn1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> I decided to post it here since main list had seen enough of HBP 
> theories and I am sure will see more in the next hours. :o)
> 
> I was reading the transcript from the Edinburg festival on JKR 
> website. There are many interesting things I need to think about 
> further, but I wanted to point out to Snape related comment.
> 
> She reveals that he is not a muggle-born, but she did not 
> specifically said that he is a pure blood, so now I am torn between 
> Lupin and Snape as possible candidates for HBP.
> 
> 
> Alla

Neri:
Snape as a PRINCE??? Gah. Isn't he sexy enough already?





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 22:06:51 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:06:51 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfom27+rpn1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfompr+3qs2@eGroups.com>

> Neri:
> Snape as a PRINCE??? Gah. Isn't he sexy enough already?


Alla:

LOL, Neri! Nope, he isn't, not in IMO. I am saying right now that 
Sirius' looks are not that sexy IMO, either.

If I were to judge men only by their looks, I would much prefer blond 
men, so I suppose Remus is more my type. :o)


Alla, crossing her fingers that Remus will turn out to be HBP after 
all.




From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 22:53:02 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:53:02 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfompr+3qs2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfopge+9r1o@eGroups.com>

> > Neri:
> > Snape as a PRINCE??? Gah. Isn't he sexy enough already?
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> LOL, Neri! Nope, he isn't, not in IMO. I am saying right now that 
> Sirius' looks are not that sexy IMO, either.
> 
> If I were to judge men only by their looks, I would much prefer 
blond 
> men, so I suppose Remus is more my type. :o)
> 
> 
> Alla, crossing her fingers that Remus will turn out to be HBP after 
> all.

Neri:
Is Lupin blond? I've always imagined him with, you know, non descript 
hair-color hair. A bit of white hair, this I remember. Perhaps a 
reddish tinge, when the light falls just right, to suggest the wolf 
side. All go well with the shabby robes. Now I'm afraid to check 
canon and ruin this image.

While Lupin is my favorite adult character, I'm a bit ambivalent 
about him being a prince. Sure, it would be fun to see how the 
Malfoys take it, but will it do any good to Remus himself? 






From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 23:12:07 2004
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:12:07 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfopge+9r1o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfoqk7+q54t@eGroups.com>

Neri:
>Is Lupin blond? I've always imagined him with, you know, non 
descript hair-color hair. A bit of white hair, this I remember. 
Perhaps a reddish tinge, when the light falls just right, to suggest 
the wolf side. All go well with the shabby robes. Now I'm afraid to 
check canon and ruin this image.<

"Though quite young, his light brown hair was flecked with gray."
(PoA Ch. 5)

Hope that doesn't ruin anything for you, Neri. :-)

KathyK





From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 23:26:11 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:26:11 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfoqk7+q54t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cforej+srv5@eGroups.com>

> Neri:
> >Is Lupin blond? I've always imagined him with, you know, non 
> descript hair-color hair. A bit of white hair, this I remember. 
> Perhaps a reddish tinge, when the light falls just right, to 
suggest 
> the wolf side. All go well with the shabby robes. Now I'm afraid to 
> check canon and ruin this image.<
>
> KathyK: 
> "Though quite young, his light brown hair was flecked with gray."
> (PoA Ch. 5)
> 
> Hope that doesn't ruin anything for you, Neri. :-)
> 

Neri:
No, light brown just fine by me. Anything but blond :-)




From gansecki at hawaii.edu  Mon Aug 16 00:06:42 2004
From: gansecki at hawaii.edu (lavaluvn)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:06:42 -0000
Subject: Baby names/Pet names
In-Reply-To: <cfigus+92c9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfotqi+ksto@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "allison_m_otto" 
> > I always kind of liked Harry, too.  It was the name of a 
Broadway 
> > actor I really liked as a pre-teen, and also the prince.  While 
I 
> > don't have children yet, my cats are named Molly and Minerva 
(but 
> we 
> > do call her Minnie).  I'm beginning to get oddly attached to the 
> name 
> > Andromeda, though . . .
> 
> Ooohh, yes, I like Andromeda.  And you can't really shorten the 
> beauty of the name down to an awful nickname.  Well, I guess you 
> could, but why would you want to?  Lovely.  Love the cat named 
> Snitch, also!  Who would have thought!  I know someone mentioned 
on 
> this list last year that they had a flashy tropical fish named 
> Gilderoy, which I thought was really funny!
> 
> I wanted to name my second son Molly (this was before I knew he 
was 
> a boy, of course) back in 1993, but my mom flipped out.  Not quite 
> sure why, because I think the name is pretty.  
> 
> As weird as this sounds, I like Emmeline, too.  Did I spell that 
> right, or is it Emmaline?  Keep the names coming, I am enjoying 
> hearing it all!
> 
> Alora :)


Thanks!  LOL, actually Andromeda is only my middle name.  I have a 
sister Athena and a brother Ulysses... and a father who liked 
mythology.  I enjoyed finding Andromeda in HP and was relieved that 
she wasn't one of the nasty members of the Black family.  Maybe 
because the name does have a ...nice... sound about it.

And I named my first daughter Emma, after her greataunt Emmaline.

Fun, fun,
Andromeda




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 00:16:42 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:16:42 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cforej+srv5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfouda+e6sr@eGroups.com>

> > KathyK: 
> > "Though quite young, his light brown hair was flecked with gray."
> > (PoA Ch. 5)
> > 
> > Hope that doesn't ruin anything for you, Neri. :-)
> > 
> 
> Neri:
> No, light brown just fine by me. Anything but blond :-)


Alla:

Oy, Neri. Of course he is not blond, but he is closer to being blond 
then either Sirius or Snape. That's all. :o)






From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 00:35:29 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:35:29 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfouda+e6sr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfovgh+495h@eGroups.com>

> > > KathyK: 
> > > "Though quite young, his light brown hair was flecked with 
gray."
> > > (PoA Ch. 5)
> > > 
> > > Hope that doesn't ruin anything for you, Neri. :-)
> > > 
> > 
> > Neri:
> > No, light brown just fine by me. Anything but blond :-)
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Oy, Neri. Of course he is not blond, but he is closer to being 
blond 
> then either Sirius or Snape. That's all. :o)

Neri:

OK, so I guess we split our differences.

BTW, as a hetero male I must register my protest that HP doesn't have 
any sexy and mysterious females in the caliber of Snape, Sirius and 
Lupin. OK, I guess we just got Tonks as a consolation prize, but she 
doesn't quite match up, you know what I mean?





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 00:41:43 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:41:43 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfovgh+495h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfovs7+s574@eGroups.com>

> > 
> > Alla wrote earlier:
> > 
> > Oy, Neri. Of course he is not blond, but he is closer to being 
> blond 
> > then either Sirius or Snape. That's all. :o)
> 
> Neri:
> 
> OK, so I guess we split our differences.
> 
> BTW, as a hetero male I must register my protest that HP doesn't 
have 
> any sexy and mysterious females in the caliber of Snape, Sirius and 
> Lupin. OK, I guess we just got Tonks as a consolation prize, but 
she 
> doesn't quite match up, you know what I mean?



Alla:

I know what you mean perfectly. That is partially the reason why as 
heterosexual female I am such a big fan of slash HP fanfiction. :o)I 
see absolutely no female characters which could could even come close 
to those three male characters.

Tonks is a possibility , but she is too one note yet.




From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 02:23:58 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:23:58 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfovs7+s574@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfp5ru+hpvo@eGroups.com>

> > Neri:
> > 
> > BTW, as a hetero male I must register my protest that HP doesn't 
> have 
> > any sexy and mysterious females in the caliber of Snape, Sirius 
and 
> > Lupin. OK, I guess we just got Tonks as a consolation prize, but 
> she 
> > doesn't quite match up, you know what I mean?
> 
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> I know what you mean perfectly. That is partially the reason why as 
> heterosexual female I am such a big fan of slash HP fanfiction. :o)
I 
> see absolutely no female characters which could could even come 
close 
> to those three male characters.
> 
> Tonks is a possibility , but she is too one note yet.

Neri:
Well, it looks like hetero males don't write FF, so I guess we don't 
have a right to complain about the shortage of interesting witches. 

Tonks has a HUGE potential, and until now it was all wasted. Her 
mother was denounced by her wealthy family, but Tonks doesn't seem to 
care. She has a gift every woman dreams about, and what does she use 
it for? Instant hair dye and funny noses at dinner. It looks like she 
became an Auror for the fun. Her single flaw is knocking furniture 
around. The woman is depressingly well-adjusted. Sirius, Lupin and 
Snape were more complex than that at fifteen.

I can still hope, can't I? There's always next year's DADA teacher. 

Neri





From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug 16 04:30:21 2004
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 04:30:21 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
In-Reply-To: <cfobgu+4m6i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfpd8t+dks3@eGroups.com>

I'd love to be able to debate some of the issues brough up by JK in 
the Q&A session with other adult HP fans. I was a bit confused when 
I read the following:
"If you want to speculate on anything, you should speculate on these 
two things, which will point you in the right direction. The first 
question that I have never been asked?it has probably been asked in 
a chatroom but no one has ever asked me?is, "Why didn't Voldemort 
die?" Not, "Why did Harry live?" but, "Why didn't Voldemort die?" 
The killing curse rebounded, so he should have died. Why didn't he? 
At the end of Goblet of Fire he says that one or more of the steps 
that he took enabled him to survive. You should be wondering what he 
did to make sure that he did not die?I will put it that way. I don't 
think that it is guessable. It may be?someone could guess it?but you 
should be asking yourself that question, particularly now that you 
know about the prophesy."
I just can't wrap my brain around this. Any thoughts?
Also, I really wish that JK would stop hinting that Harry might not 
survive the series like it's some kind of big inside joke or 
something. How she ends the series is ultimately her decision, but I 
find that she shouldn't tease people about the possibility. IMHO, 
Harry is by now such a beloved character that I think the 
psychological impact if she killed him off would be truly devasting. 
What say you?
Nicole




From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 08:32:41 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:32:41 -0000
Subject: The door, the door!
Message-ID: <cfprf9+2uln@eGroups.com>

I haven't worked out what she's playing with yet but you might like 
to know 
 THE DOOR IS OPENING

sorry to shout:)
Sam




From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Mon Aug 16 09:05:05 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:05:05 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <cfprf9+2uln@eGroups.com>
References: <cfprf9+2uln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <412078C1.6040802@colinogilvie.co.uk>

Sam wrote:

>I haven't worked out what she's playing with yet but you might like 
>to know 
> THE DOOR IS OPENING
>  
>
Do you see anything other than a black screen as thats all I get behind 
it... tred toggling the light switch etc, but nothing seems to happen.

Colin



From gansecki at hawaii.edu  Mon Aug 16 09:07:50 2004
From: gansecki at hawaii.edu (lavaluvn)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:07:50 -0000
Subject: The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <cfprf9+2uln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfpth6+rc36@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sam" <hermionesmum at y...> 
wrote:
> I haven't worked out what she's playing with yet but you might 
like 
> to know 
>  THE DOOR IS OPENING
> 
> sorry to shout:)
> Sam

It opens but it is just black inside... she's teasing us! Or am I 
missing something (which seems likely).  Anybody else figure 
something out?

-Andromeda





From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 09:56:51 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:56:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <cfpth6+rc36@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040816095651.4241.qmail@web61001.mail.yahoo.com>



lavaluvn <gansecki at hawaii.edu> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sam" <hermionesmum at y...> 
wrote:
> I haven't worked out what she's playing with yet but you might 
like 
> to know 
>  THE DOOR IS OPENING
> 
> sorry to shout:)
> Sam

It opens but it is just black inside... she's teasing us! Or am I 
missing something (which seems likely).  Anybody else figure 
something out?

-Andromeda



Sam again,

            I'm just getting a black screen too. I tried the lightswitch same as Colin and got nothing. She wouldn't be that cruel, would she?

The background to "extra stuff" has been updated too, but I can't see anything there that would help. Unless she is, indeed hinting that she's not home.

Sam


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From gansecki at hawaii.edu  Mon Aug 16 10:16:40 2004
From: gansecki at hawaii.edu (lavaluvn)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:16:40 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <412078C1.6040802@colinogilvie.co.uk>
Message-ID: <cfq1i8+bun6@eGroups.com>

Aloha everyone,
  Last week TLC had a link to an ALA article on the most reread 
books and it got me to wondering.  It mentioned that the books we 
tend to reread most are usually ones we encountered as 
children/teens, and it gave a list of some of the most popular 
(Harry Potter & Pride and Prejudice were the ones I identified 
with). I can only think of two book series I've gotten hooked on 
enough to reread (and reread and reread) since becoming an adult, 
but there were plenty in the teen years.  IN fact, just thinking 
about what I used to read made me crave some of them again. 

 So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside 
of HP? I'll list a few of my favorites:
Elizabeth Peters' Amelia Peabody mysteries 
AS Byatt's Possession (probably a sin to admit it here in HP world, 
but I still love the book)
Robin MCKinley's The Blue Sword (one of my all-time favorites, still)
Anne McCaffery's Dragon books (the original 6)
Dorothy Sayers' Lord Peter mysteries
L'Engle's Wrinkle in Time and Swiftly Tilting Planet (first science 
fiction book I ever read)
Susan Cooper's Dark is Rising series
Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently books
Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea books
David Eddings' Belgariad
Peter Beagle  "The Last Unicorn"
Narnia, some of Andre NOrton's old Witch World books
RA MacAvoy "Tea with the Black Dragon" (probably kind of dated now, 
but what a neat idea for a main character)

OK, that is or was my comfort food for the soul, when I need to 
escape to another, familiar and comfortable world.  What do you 
folks REread aside from Harry.

-Andromeda





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug 16 10:15:16 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:15:16 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Most reread books...?
References: <cfq1i8+bun6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002701c48379$ee6822a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Andromeda wrote:

<OK, that is or was my comfort food for the soul, when I need to
escape to another, familiar and comfortable world.  What do you
folks REread aside from Harry.>

Erma Bombeck's Series of books
The Nancy Drew Series of Books (old vs modern) by Carolyn Keene
Anita Blake (though I have most of these memorized so I have to extend longer periods between re-reads) by Laurell K Hamilton
Goldy Bear Mystery Series by Diane Mott Davidson
The Babysitter's Club Series (Yes, I still read these...they're fun).
Good-bye, Best Friend by Cherie Bennett
Sherlock Holmes (any) by Sir Arthur Connan Doyle
Merilon the Magician and The Magician's Ward by Patricia (something)

Hmm, suddenly craving Merilon now...

Saitaina
Who has 350+ books in her personal library and nothing to read.
****
"...And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the term rescue to you. It's not to come and then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 10:48:13 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Most Re-read
Message-ID: <20040816104813.38146.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com>

16August04
 
Andromeda wrote:
"...So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside 
of HP?..."
 
Paula now:
Humm, this is a really interesting post--one of my favorite subjects.  Seems like I march to a different drummer though.  As a teen, I absolutely loved John Steinbeck. Probably read all of his books and most of his short stories while in high school.  For the past several years, I've been slowly re-reading Steinbeck's work.  What really amazes me is how I could have possibly understood the depth of his works at such a tender age--must be a sign of what a great writer he was.
 
On the other hand, I'm always up to re-reading Dame Agatha Christie, when I can find a book whose plot I don't remember.
 
Paula Gaon



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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 11:05:42 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 04:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The door, the door!
Message-ID: <20040816110542.25786.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>

16August04

Sam wrote:


"I'm just getting a black screen too. I tried the lightswitch same as Colin and got nothing. She wouldn't be that cruel, would she?

The background to "extra stuff" has been updated too, but I can't see anything there that would help. Unless she is, indeed hinting that she's not home."

Paula now:

Yeah, Sam, I tried the same things that you did.  IMHO, JKR is just throwing us a "Teaser" to keep us from forgetting about the site, and to keep us anxious for the next book.  Think about it, the first wave of excitement has long since passed for the PoA Movie, and who knows when HBP will hit the stores?  There has to be something to keep our attention...

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From jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 16 11:32:35 2004
From: jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk (jojobinks1983)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:32:35 -0000
Subject: The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <20040816110542.25786.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfq60j+e5f7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...> 
wrote:
> 16August04
> 
> Sam wrote:
> 
> 
> "I'm just getting a black screen too. I tried the lightswitch same 
as Colin and got nothing. She wouldn't be that cruel, would she?
> 
> The background to "extra stuff" has been updated too, but I can't 
see anything there that would help. Unless she is, indeed hinting 
that she's not home."
> 
> Paula now:
> 
> Yeah, Sam, I tried the same things that you did.  IMHO, JKR is 
just throwing us a "Teaser" to keep us from forgetting about the 
site, and to keep us anxious for the next book.  Think about it, the 
first wave of excitement has long since passed for the PoA Movie, 
and who knows when HBP will hit the stores?  There has to be 
something to keep our attention...
> 
> Paula Gaon
 
Jo Says:

She isn't playing, there is another light switch to the right of the 
door handle.......






From esk at europa.com  Mon Aug 16 11:36:25 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:36:25 -0000
Subject: The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <20040816095651.4241.qmail@web61001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfq67p+kjbh@eGroups.com>

Hints:
There is a light switch horizontally near the center of the doorway and just 
under the handle. Keep clicking and you'll find it.
What to do once you're there? Think Dumbledore's vault or Harry's birthday.
The final solve? Let Peeves blow through in the Extra Stuff area (notice the 
dartboard diagram that hows up under the notebook when you leave and 
return: this is definitely the clue place!) Something will change to give you the 
information that you need.

Cindy

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sam Edwards <
hermionesmum at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> lavaluvn <gansecki at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sam" <hermionesmum at y...> 
> wrote:
> > I haven't worked out what she's playing with yet but you might 
> like 
> > to know 
> >  THE DOOR IS OPENING
> > 
> > sorry to shout:)
> > Sam
> 
> It opens but it is just black inside... she's teasing us! Or am I 
> missing something (which seems likely).  Anybody else figure 
> something out?
> 
> -Andromeda
> 
> 
> 
> Sam again,
> 
>             I'm just getting a black screen too. I tried the lightswitch same as 
Colin and got nothing. She wouldn't be that cruel, would she?
> 
> The background to "extra stuff" has been updated too, but I can't see 
anything there that would help. Unless she is, indeed hinting that she's not 
home.
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
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From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Mon Aug 16 11:47:29 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:47:29 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The door, the door!
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References: <cfq60j+e5f7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <41209ED1.8070203@colinogilvie.co.uk>

jojobinks1983 wrote:

>She isn't playing, there is another light switch to the right of the 
>door handle.......
>
The only light swithc I can see is at the top of the mirror, and 
toggling that doesn't do anything.

-- 
Regards,

Colin





From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Aug 16 12:11:15 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:11:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <cfq67p+kjbh@eGroups.com>
References: <20040816095651.4241.qmail@web61001.mail.yahoo.com>
    <cfq67p+kjbh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2164.4.12.232.6.1092658275.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

eskcindy said:

> There is a light switch horizontally near the center of the doorway and

I kept clicking all over the dark room and got nadda until it was pointed
out where.

Did the dartboard, got to the safe, and then was like... WTF?  Went back
to the Extra Stuff area and I'll be buggered if the numbers aren't on a
'security' card.

An excerpt from the new book.

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Aug 16 12:30:21 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Not empty Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <41209ED1.8070203@colinogilvie.co.uk>
References: <cfq60j+e5f7@eGroups.com> <41209ED1.8070203@colinogilvie.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2182.4.12.232.6.1092659421.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Colin O said:

> The only light swithc I can see is at the top of the mirror, and
> toggling that doesn't do anything.

It's a dark room where you have to 'feel around' for the light switch
inside.  The mouse sensor is small and why I kept missing it.

I never got Peeves' 'blowjob' for clues.  I just followed the directions
by Cindy.  Granted, I haven't slept since Saturday night but she gave
accurate clues and JKR did a word play with goblins.

Dina




From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Mon Aug 16 12:42:13 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:42:13 +0100
Subject: Not empty Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <2182.4.12.232.6.1092659421.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
References: <cfq60j+e5f7@eGroups.com> <41209ED1.8070203@colinogilvie.co.uk> <2182.4.12.232.6.1092659421.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <4120ABA5.2020703@colinogilvie.co.uk>

Dina Lerret wrote:

>It's a dark room where you have to 'feel around' for the light switch
>inside.  The mouse sensor is small and why I kept missing it.
>  
>
Yeah, I found it now, with more accurate instructions from elsewhere - 
as I kept missing it in my clicking - they had an image whihc made it 
easier :)

-- 
Regards,

Colin





From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Mon Aug 16 12:18:33 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:18:33 -0000
Subject: The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <cfq67p+kjbh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfq8mp+85v9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eskcindy" <esk at e...> wrote:
> Hints:
> There is a light switch horizontally near the center of the doorway and just 
> under the handle. Keep clicking and you'll find it.
> What to do once you're there? Think Dumbledore's vault or Harry's birthday.
> The final solve? Let Peeves blow through in the Extra Stuff area (notice the 
> dartboard diagram that hows up under the notebook when you leave and 
> return: this is definitely the clue place!) Something will change to give you 
the 
> information that you need.
> 
> Cindy
> 
>(snip)

help! I've tried all these things.......I have the light switch sorted, and the 
playing of the darts.....but is there something about playing darts I don't 
understand? Also...with the peeves thing....when he blew through the extra 
stuff page I couldn't see any more of that pesky dartboard note than I could 
before.....


I don't know about you guys....maybe I am incredibly stupid at this, and I do 
appreciate Cindy not letting all the game away in her little hints......but I'm a 
playin' darts and nothing's happening!!!!

AAAAAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!!! 

any more clues? 

cheers...HumanTupperware





From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Mon Aug 16 13:21:37 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:21:37 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <cfq8mp+85v9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CGEKJJCJGOLNJLCPJCJJCEDKCPAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

I went to www.poterkeys.com .. go to the hair band forum. I took the easy
way out .. I've got no patience!

cheers

storm

-----Original Message-----
From: humantupperware1 [mailto:humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 16 August 2004 10:19 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The door, the door!


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eskcindy" <esk at e...> wrote:
> Hints:
> There is a light switch horizontally near the center of the doorway and
just
> under the handle. Keep clicking and you'll find it.
> What to do once you're there? Think Dumbledore's vault or Harry's
birthday.
> The final solve? Let Peeves blow through in the Extra Stuff area (notice
the
> dartboard diagram that hows up under the notebook when you leave and
> return: this is definitely the clue place!) Something will change to give
you
the
> information that you need.
>
> Cindy
>
>(snip)

help! I've tried all these things.......I have the light switch sorted, and
the
playing of the darts.....but is there something about playing darts I don't
understand? Also...with the peeves thing....when he blew through the extra
stuff page I couldn't see any more of that pesky dartboard note than I could
before.....


I don't know about you guys....maybe I am incredibly stupid at this, and I
do
appreciate Cindy not letting all the game away in her little hints......but
I'm a
playin' darts and nothing's happening!!!!

AAAAAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

any more clues?

cheers...HumanTupperware





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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 13:40:10 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:40:10 -0000
Subject: JKR at Edinburg festival
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jheiler at s...> 
wrote:
> I just can't wrap my brain around this. Any thoughts?
> Also, I really wish that JK would stop hinting that Harry might not 
> survive the series like it's some kind of big inside joke or 
> something. How she ends the series is ultimately her decision, but 
I 
> find that she shouldn't tease people about the possibility. IMHO, 
> Harry is by now such a beloved character that I think the 
> psychological impact if she killed him off would be truly 
devasting. 
> What say you?



Alla:


I don't mind her teasing now and ever simply because I think that she 
was too confident recently when answerinng some questions about 
possibility of Harry's survival.

I think she wants to keeps us on our toes, but I am almost postive 
that she will let Harry survive at the end. :o)
Of course you can never be too sure with her.




From shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 13:44:27 2004
From: shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:44:27 -0000
Subject: THose who got past the door
Message-ID: <cfqdnr+lv9u@eGroups.com>

I hesitate to post on it yet since it only seems 1 or 2 of you have 
gotten through the dartboard and the next puzzle but, What do you 
think of the prize? 

 This is rather like writing a message to sirius in code knowing 
umbridge will read it. AH!

For those of you who havent made it yet, keep faith and hurry! Im 
dying to know of anyone has come to the same conclusion as I have.

Impatiently waiting replies, comments, and crazy theories,
Jason




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 13:51:52 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cfqdnr+lv9u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040816135152.29685.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jason <shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I hesitate to post on it yet since it only seems 1 or 2 of you have 
> gotten through the dartboard and the next puzzle but, What do you 
> think of the prize? 
> 
>  This is rather like writing a message to sirius in code knowing 
> umbridge will read it. AH!
> 
> For those of you who havent made it yet, keep faith and hurry! Im 
> dying to know of anyone has come to the same conclusion as I have.
> 
> Impatiently waiting replies, comments, and crazy theories,
> Jason
> 


I've got the screen up and I don't want to close it!  Silly of me.....

My first thought was "new DADA teacher."  And won't Snape love that!

My second was "HBP."  But....would she be that obvious?  


I am soooooooo ready for the new book!  I think she should quit playing
around with the website, Q&A meetings, getting pregnant, etc., and get to
what's really important...FINISHING THE BOOK!  :)


MJ


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From shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 14:04:32 2004
From: shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:04:32 -0000
Subject: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <20040816135152.29685.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfqetg+7132@eGroups.com>


> 
> I've got the screen up and I don't want to close it!  Silly of 
me.....
> 
> My first thought was "new DADA teacher."  And won't Snape love that!
> 
> My second was "HBP."  But....would she be that obvious?  
> 
> 
> I am soooooooo ready for the new book!  I think she should quit 
playing
> around with the website, Q&A meetings, getting pregnant, etc., and 
get to
> what's really important...FINISHING THE BOOK!  :)
> 
> 
> MJ
> 
> 

Neither of your guesses matched mine- Godric Gryffindor. The 
comparisons to a lion? The mane, the yellow eyes....
Or perhaps we're both right.. its Godric, the HBP? Yes, that MUST be 
right.

Jason




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 14:13:26 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:13:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cfqetg+7132@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040816141326.35460.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jason <shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Neither of your guesses matched mine- Godric Gryffindor. The 
> comparisons to a lion? The mane, the yellow eyes....
> Or perhaps we're both right.. its Godric, the HBP? Yes, that MUST be 
> right.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
Ooooohhhhh........LOVE that idea!  I've never given a lot of credence to
any of the Godric theories out there, but gosh, that does make sense.  

I WANT THE NEW BOOK!  This just makes it worse!  :)

MJ

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From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 14:18:37 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cfqetg+7132@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040816141837.44567.qmail@web61001.mail.yahoo.com>

Are we giving up on keeping quiet while other folk work their way in to the titbit?
I'll leave a bit of spoiler space in case:
S
P
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I
L
E
R
 
 
S
P
A
C
E
 
There is something "dusty but dignified" about the character she's described which makes me think it might be Prof. Lupin senior. As for major new characters he could be the new DADA professor and/or the half blood prince, or the new minister for magic. I'm going off the last option there because of her response to
"Will Arthur Weasley be the new minister for magic?"
"Alas, no" (from FAQ About the Books on her website"
 
This new character, who seems old, wise and lion like, very similar to Aslan in the Narnia stories, is someone I expect to be "good." I doubt it would be too disappointing if such a fellow were to hold the office.
 
Could be Godic of course, I can see how it would fit, but, unless "he" is in the form of a portrait, that would involve time travel and get on my nerves a bit.  

Jason <shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> I've got the screen up and I don't want to close it!  Silly of 
me.....
> 
> My first thought was "new DADA teacher."  And won't Snape love that!
> 
> My second was "HBP."  But....would she be that obvious?  
> 
> 
> I am soooooooo ready for the new book!  I think she should quit 
playing
> around with the website, Q&A meetings, getting pregnant, etc., and 
get to
> what's really important...FINISHING THE BOOK!  :)
> 
> 
> MJ
> 
> 

Neither of your guesses matched mine- Godric Gryffindor. The 
comparisons to a lion? The mane, the yellow eyes....
Or perhaps we're both right.. its Godric, the HBP? Yes, that MUST be 
right.

Jason



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From paula at jefftrout.com  Mon Aug 16 15:08:27 2004
From: paula at jefftrout.com (paulaboo1013)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:08:27 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfq1i8+bun6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfqilb+843a@eGroups.com>

> Aloha everyone,
>  So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside 
> of HP?

The books that I have reread hundreds of times (and that is not an
exageration) are:

the sven books of The Chronicles of Narnia by C. S. Lewis
all 8 books from the Anne of Green Gables series by Lucy Maud Montgomery
The BFG by Ronald Dahl

even at 24, by all time favorite books can all be found in the
children's section, but I also enjoy:

Every book by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child
Most books by Michael Critchton
The Lord of the Rings series by J.R.R. Tolkien

Paula




From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 16:04:29 2004
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:04:29 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfqilb+843a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfqlud+h0hj@eGroups.com>

I have read Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre more times than any other 
book.  It is my very favourite book in the world, closely followed 
by the HP books.  

Other rereads:

A couple Michael Crichton books, particularly Andromeda Strain and 
Jurassic Park

The Witch of Blackbird Pond by Elizabeth George Spear

Anything by Jane Austen

A Tale of Two Cities by Dickens

The first three Star Wars books Timothy Zahn wrote (I understand 
there are others, now...)

I used to read and reread the Babysitter's Club books all the time, 
too, Saitania!  They're such fun and a quick read.  Problem was that 
I had way too many and not enough room for them so I gave them away 
to my little cousins.  Strangely, I ran across one the other day 
while reorganizing the basement.  I just had to sit down for a few 
minutes and peruse the beginning pages.  I remember I used to skip a 
couple pages whenever I'd get a new book because they were always 
almost identical to one another as the main character described the 
club and its members.  

KathyK




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug 16 15:55:53 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:55:53 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Most reread books...?
References: <cfqlud+h0hj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009601c483a9$8527b460$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

KathyK wrote:

< I remember I used to skip a
couple pages whenever I'd get a new book because they were always
almost identical to one another as the main character described the
club and its members.  >

Same here, the only time I'd read the first few pages is if there was a jump in the numbers, when the members changed.

Saitaina
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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Aug 16 16:13:48 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:13:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfq1i8+bun6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMECJDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Heya,

Fave books that I keep going back to...Ah, well, from my teens, tweens etc.:
Narnia books, "A Wrinkle In Time," (never heard of the other one), and some
non-SF like "Little Women" and "Secret Garden."

Books I did read in teens and tweens I have yet to reread are stuff like the
Andre Norton "Time Trader" books, the Lloyd Alexander books and a couple of
lovely books from Silvia Louise Engdahl--"Enchantress From The Stars" and
"The Far Side Of Evil."

Books I've read in my married life and have either reread or have yet to do
so...well, my beloved sweetheart made sure I knew about Hobbits (of which I
had some knowledge but hadn't read the books).  So, definitely, Hobbit and
LOTR Trilogy, the Earth Sea books, the McCaffrey books, Douglas Addams
Hitch-Hiker books, the Diane Duane books...probably more, too.

I admit I don't get into the mystery and romance stuff, and some of the
horror stuff is just too--uh--senselessly gory. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Aug 16 16:17:17 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:17:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cfqdnr+lv9u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAECKDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Well, someone can send me the messages off list since they're not in the
text edition and I cannot work a graphical site.

Cheers,
Lee :-(

[Jason wrote]:
|
| I hesitate to post on it yet since it only seems 1 or 2 of you have
| gotten through the dartboard and the next puzzle but, What do you
| think of the prize?
|
|  This is rather like writing a message to sirius in code knowing
| umbridge will read it. AH!
|
| For those of you who havent made it yet, keep faith and hurry! Im
| dying to know of anyone has come to the same conclusion as I have.
|
| Impatiently waiting replies, comments, and crazy theories,
| Jason

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From drliss at comcast.net  Mon Aug 16 16:21:53 2004
From: drliss at comcast.net (drliss at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:21:53 +0000
Subject: For those who got past the door
Message-ID: <081620041621.29474.4120DF210006113B0000732222007623029C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>

Jason:

There is something "dusty but dignified" about the character she's described 
which makes me think it might be Prof. Lupin senior. As for major new characters 
he could be the new DADA professor and/or the half blood prince, or the new 
minister for magic. I'm going off the last option there because of her response 
to
"Will Arthur Weasley be the new minister for magic?"
"Alas, no" (from FAQ About the Books on her website"


Lissa:

I got the Lupin Sr. thought as well!  Actually, a lot of it reminded me of Lupin.  Same color hair, we don't really know Lupin's eye color, and in the movies, Lupin uses a cane after full moon.  (Goes nicely with the limp and the foreshadowing comments, huh?)

I also thought of Dumbledore when he was younger, but aren't his eyes blue?  I forget.

And, of course, there's teh new DADA teacher.  (Now, THAT could be fun.  What if Lupin Sr. was teaching DADA?)

Lissa

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Aug 16 16:24:28 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:24:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfqilb+843a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKECKDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Paula mentioned]:

| all 8 books from the Anne of Green Gables series by Lucy Maud Montgomery

[Lee]:
Oooo--yeah...and I've only read the first two...I never saw the rest, but
that sounds like something I should hunt up. :-)

Also, someone mentioned "Witch Of Blackbird Pond" which was, indeed,
wonderful and very touching.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From soleta_nf at yahoo.ca  Mon Aug 16 16:45:41 2004
From: soleta_nf at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?House=20Yolande?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:45:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: For those who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <081620041621.29474.4120DF210006113B0000732222007623029C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20040816164541.94958.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com>

When I go to the site and open the door, all I see is black emptiness. There is no dart board or anything. Am I doing something wrong? This is getting frustrating. :( Thanks!
 
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 16:49:38 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:49:38 -0000
Subject: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAECKDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cfqoj2+m81c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> Well, someone can send me the messages off list since they're not 
in the
> text edition and I cannot work a graphical site.
> 
> Cheers,
> Lee :-(


Alla:

Actually, can I ask the same favor? It seems that I cannot access the 
graphic version again.

I know they will appear in a  text version in a couple days, but if 
some kind soul will take pity on me today, I will be very 
grateful. :o)




From soleta_nf at yahoo.ca  Mon Aug 16 17:04:11 2004
From: soleta_nf at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?House=20Yolande?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Not empty Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <4120ABA5.2020703@colinogilvie.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040816170411.53498.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

Where could one find this image of the mouse sensor?
 
Thanks!

Colin O <HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk> wrote:
Dina Lerret wrote:

>It's a dark room where you have to 'feel around' for the light switch
>inside.  The mouse sensor is small and why I kept missing it.
>  
>
Yeah, I found it now, with more accurate instructions from elsewhere - 
as I kept missing it in my clicking - they had an image whihc made it 
easier :)

-- 
Regards,

Colin




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From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 17:29:45 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: For those who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <081620041621.29474.4120DF210006113B0000732222007623029C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>
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drliss at comcast.net wrote:
Jason:

There is something "dusty but dignified" about the character she's described 
which makes me think it might be Prof. Lupin senior. As for major new characters 
he could be the new DADA professor and/or the half blood prince, or the new 
minister for magic. I'm going off the last option there because of her response 
to
"Will Arthur Weasley be the new minister for magic?"
"Alas, no" (from FAQ About the Books on her website"


Lissa:

I got the Lupin Sr. thought as well!  Actually, a lot of it reminded me of Lupin.  Same color hair, we don't really know Lupin's eye color, and in the movies, Lupin uses a cane after full moon.  (Goes nicely with the limp and the foreshadowing comments, huh?)

I also thought of Dumbledore when he was younger, but aren't his eyes blue?  I forget.

And, of course, there's teh new DADA teacher.  (Now, THAT could be fun.  What if Lupin Sr. was teaching DADA?)

Lissa

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Now me:

actually it was me that suggested Lupin senior. Jason thought of Godric Gryffindor. 

A bit of me really wants Remus back at Hogwarts but I agree, his father would be great fun. He sounds pretty regal if we're right. I wonder how he would get along with Snape?

Sam


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From snow15145 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 18:48:05 2004
From: snow15145 at yahoo.com (snow15145)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:48:05 -0000
Subject: Not empty Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <20040816170411.53498.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfqvh5+9kk6@eGroups.com>

Guide to opening the door!
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So you are frustrated! 

First thing to do...leave the door room and go to extra stuff, the 
cup on the desk, wait for peeves to blow through noticing as he does 
that he moves a card that reveals a card with a number on it...write 
this down you will need it later

Second go back to the room open the door...it is dark inside. move 
your cursor to the middle of the dark doorway across from the door 
handle a little down and to your left...just keep clicking it is 
there.

Third you will see a dart board...you need to aim at the numbers of 
Harry's birth...not year

Fourth will be a security locked vault that you should have the 
number for from step one...vault opens click on document inside

Side Note:

We know that you cannot copy and paste the items on this site but if 
you hit your Alt key then your print screen key... open word document 
to save... and hit Ctrl key plus v key you will save whatever was 
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From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Mon Aug 16 19:46:45 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:46:45 -0400
Subject: Secret text behind the door
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAECKDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
References: <cfqdnr+lv9u@eGroups.com>
 <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAECKDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040816152824.034dcc00@mail.toltbbs.com>

 From roonwit
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the puzzles:
The door opens.
SOLUTION PART 1:
There is a light switch level with the windowsill (maybe just below) about 
3/10th
the way across the open doorway - click until you find it.
SOLUTION PART 2:The dartboard combination is 713
SOLUTION PART 3:The safe combination is 302723
SECRET TEXT:
(He) looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane 
of tawny
hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of 
wire-rimmed
spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a 
slight
limp.

At 12:17 PM 8/16/04, you wrote:

>Well, someone can send me the messages off list since they're not in the
>text edition and I cannot work a graphical site.
>
>Cheers,
>Lee :-(
>
>[Jason wrote]:
>|
>| I hesitate to post on it yet since it only seems 1 or 2 of you have
>| gotten through the dartboard and the next puzzle but, What do you
>| think of the prize?
>|
>|  This is rather like writing a message to sirius in code knowing
>| umbridge will read it. AH!
>|
>| For those of you who havent made it yet, keep faith and hurry! Im
>| dying to know of anyone has come to the same conclusion as I have.
>|
>| Impatiently waiting replies, comments, and crazy theories,
>| Jason
>
>Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
>I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
>Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
>I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
>Walk beside me, and be my friend.
>
>
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 20:29:33 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfqilb+843a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040816202933.44690.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com>

Aloha everyone,
So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside of HP?

 
Kemper here:
The books I read almost as much as HP are by Nancy A. Collins  She writes the best Vampire books. The central character is Sonya Blue also know as the Blue Lady.  Ms. Collins first 3 books about Sonya Blue are combined in a book entitled "Midnight Blue."  Other Blue Lady books are "A Dozen Black Roses" and "Darkest Heart."  Ms. Collins also has a new vampire book coming out that takes place in 19th century American west.
 
Other favorite re-reads are:
--"Youth in Revolt", you need to read this one with a dictionary but it's quite funny,
--"Forest Gump", this one only, the rest suck.  Not at all like the movie except they both have a character named Forest.  Very funny. 
 
It seems like there were others... I guess HP has made an addict out of me, forgetting old friends(books) and all.  Life was different than.
 
 

		
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From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 16 21:23:18 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:23:18 -0000
Subject: I feel so clever!!! (was Re: JKR at Edinburg festival)
In-Reply-To: <cfpd8t+dks3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfr8k6+untk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jheiler at s...> wrote:=

> I'd love to be able to debate some of the issues brough up by JK in 
> the Q&A session with other adult HP fans. I was a bit confused when 
> I read the following:
> "If you want to speculate on anything, you should speculate on these 
> two things, which will point you in the right direction. The first 
> question that I have never been asked?it has probably been asked in 
> a chatroom but no one has ever asked me?is, "Why didn't Voldemort 
> die?" Not, "Why did Harry live?" but, "Why didn't Voldemort die?" 
> The killing curse rebounded, so he should have died. Why didn't he? 
> At the end of Goblet of Fire he says that one or more of the steps 
> that he took enabled him to survive. You should be wondering what he 
> did to make sure that he did not die?I will put it that way. I don't 
> think that it is guessable. It may be?someone could guess it?but you 
> should be asking yourself that question, particularly now that you 
> know about the prophesy."
> I just can't wrap my brain around this. Any thoughts?
> Also, I really wish that JK would stop hinting that Harry might not 
> survive the series like it's some kind of big inside joke or 
> something. How she ends the series is ultimately her decision, but I 
> find that she shouldn't tease people about the possibility. IMHO, 
> Harry is by now such a beloved character that I think the 
> psychological impact if she killed him off would be truly devasting. 
> What say you?

It's the strangest thing. I had just opened file containing the beginning o=
f an essay I 
started long ago about Voldemort, thinking to maybe return to it. I start o=
ut by making 
exactly this point - that the real mystery (now) is not why Harry survived,=
 but why 
Voldemort didn't die! As proof, here is the quote:

"Why, IMO, is it Voldemort's survival that is the crucial quesiton? There h=
as been a lot of 
discussion since JKR's recent chat regarding this. For those who don't reme=
mber: JKR was 
asked why did Harry and Voldemort both survive. She answered that this is t=
he central and 
crucial question, and that to answer it would make book six and seven redun=
dant.  In the 
discussions here, most people, AFAIR, focused on Harry's survival and/or th=
e special link 
between Harry and Voldemort. But if you think about it, we've already been =
given a lot of 
information regarding Harry. We know that he survived because his mother di=
ed for him, which 
is "ancient magic." Through the Dementor scenes, we have gained more insigh=
t into what 
actually happened ? Lily screaming and begging for Voldemort to kill her in=
stead. In GoF we 
learn that this protection is in Harry's blood, and in OoP that this blood =
protection is the 
basis of Harry's strongest protection via Petunia's acceptance. That's quit=
e a bit of 
information, isn't it? That's not to say that we know everything there is t=
o know, but I 
think that before flying with convoluted theories regarding Harry's surviva=
l, why don't we 
pay some attention to what is suspiciously void of any information? We know=
 absolutely 
*nothing* about Voldemort's survival. "

My second point being, that we should focuse on the steps he took to insure=
 his immortality. 

It's terribly narcissistic, I know, but I'm just so damned pleased with mys=
elf at the moment!


Naama






From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 21:25:28 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:25:28 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKECKDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cfr8o8+ol0s@eGroups.com>


> [Paula mentioned]:
> 
> | all 8 books from the Anne of Green Gables series by Lucy Maud 
Montgomery
> 
> [Lee]:
> Oooo--yeah...and I've only read the first two...I never saw the 
rest, but
> that sounds like something I should hunt up. :-)
> 
> Also, someone mentioned "Witch Of Blackbird Pond" which was, 
indeed,
> wonderful and very touching.
> 

Andromeda:
Oh, I forgot Anne, loved those, too. Also someone else mentioned 
Jane Eyre and Lloyd Alexander, more favorites.  This has been fun. 




From garybec at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 19:57:42 2004
From: garybec at yahoo.com (garybec)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:57:42 -0000
Subject: My Door Won't Open
Message-ID: <cfr3jm+fmur@eGroups.com>

Hey All,

Can you help?  I am going nuts here.  My door won't open?  What am I 
doing wrong?  Am I suppose to go somewhere else first?

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks,
Becki





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Aug 16 20:44:28 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (lunalovesharry)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:44:28 -0000
Subject: Newbie
Message-ID: <cfr6bc+2c7v@eGroups.com>

Hello!
I'm new to this list and extremely excited to have found a group of 
adults as addicted to the Potter series as I am!  I absolutely LOVE 
reading all the theories you've all posted here ... you're all making 
my brain ache a bit, but it's exciting.  And I have to say I agree 
with "MJ" when she wrote ... "I am soooooooo ready for the new book! 
I think she should quit playing around with the website, Q&A 
meetings, getting pregnant, etc., and get to what's really 
important...FINISHING THE BOOK! :)"  LOL!  Yes!  Let's get 6 done so 
we can stop the anticipation!  It's getting painful.  :)

As for the door/dartboard/ATM-thing .... :)   I think this is the new 
DADA teacher.  At least that was my first thought when I read the 
clue this morning.  I hope she answers the faq poll next ... and 
soon.  :)  

Do you all have any theories about Aunt Petunia????????

"Luna"







From pagan-queen at charter.net  Mon Aug 16 16:49:29 2004
From: pagan-queen at charter.net (Cathy McQuillin)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:49:29 -0400
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <1092672855.3615.89566.m7@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <200408161629.MAA27468@smtp1.michonline.net>

I've never posted before, but I thought I'd add to this list.

>Anita Blake (though I have most of these memorized so I have to extend 
>longer periods between re-reads) by Laurell K Hamilton

Ms. Hamilton also has the Merry Gentry books, which are just as good as the
Anita Blake books.

P.N. Elrod has a series called the Vampire Files which are always worth a
read through.

Most of the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice.

Then of course there is Robert Jordon's Wheel of Time series.

Cat





From Peaches_without_cream at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 16:44:33 2004
From: Peaches_without_cream at yahoo.com (peaches_without_cream)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:44:33 -0000
Subject: Still have a 'Do Not Disturb' Sign
Message-ID: <cfqo9h+oajr@eGroups.com>

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but I still have a 'Do Not 
Disturb' sign on the door when I access JKR's site.  Needless to say, 
this is very frustrating.  Is it because I have AOL?  Someone help, 
please!







From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 22:01:17 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:01:17 -0000
Subject: dartboard help
Message-ID: <cfrard+mmft@eGroups.com>

OK, I've managed to turn on the light behind the door on JKR's website, but I can't get the 
darts to work. I can pick them up, and drop them over the right numbers, but after I do all 
three, they reset themselves and the safe doesn't appear. Am I doing somehting wrong? 
How do I 'throw' the darts, anyway?

Tyler
Who never was any good at video games




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Aug 16 23:24:53 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:24:53 -0000
Subject: dartboard help
In-Reply-To: <cfrard+mmft@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfrfo5+3u83@eGroups.com>

Tyler wrote:
> OK, I've managed to turn on the light behind the door on JKR's 
website, but I can't get the 
> darts to work. I can pick them up, and drop them over the right 
numbers, but after I do all 
> three, they reset themselves and the safe doesn't appear. Am I 
doing somehting wrong? 
> How do I 'throw' the darts, anyway?

Hi, Tyler!  Long time no see!

I think what you are doing with the darts is right, if they stick to 
the board.

If you have been doing Harry's birthday I think that's a bit 
misleading - the vault at Gringotts with the stone in is a better way 
of putting it.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Aug 16 23:30:35 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:30:35 -0000
Subject: Newbie
In-Reply-To: <cfr6bc+2c7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfrg2r+p4r5@eGroups.com>

Luna wrote:

> Hello!
> I'm new to this list and extremely excited to have found a group of 
> adults as addicted to the Potter series as I am! 

Welcome!

> As for the door/dartboard/ATM-thing .... :)   I think this is the 
new 
> DADA teacher.  At least that was my first thought when I read the 
> clue this morning.  I hope she answers the faq poll next ... and 
> soon.  :)  

That would be my guess, too.  After all, it makes sense that this 
extract describes a major character, and I'm guessing that we won't 
have quite so many of these in the last two books.  However, the DADA 
teacher is always someone completely new.  What's more, it's an 
adult, not a student.

David, who thinks Lupin's dad has a cat in hell's chance of making an 
appearance




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 23:51:24 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:51:24 -0000
Subject: JKR's Site Extra Stuff Bulletin Board
Message-ID: <cfrh9s+6rlq@eGroups.com>

Anyone notice that there is a note in the lower right corner of the 
bulletin board about the August 15 Book Festival and another post it 
nearby about picking a new fan site? 

Dudemom_2000

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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 23:55:55 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:55:55 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <200408161629.MAA27468@smtp1.michonline.net>
Message-ID: <cfrhib+k6o5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cathy McQuillin" <pagan-
queen at c...> wrote:
> I've never posted before, but I thought I'd add to this list.
> 
> >Anita Blake (though I have most of these memorized so I have to 
extend 
> >longer periods between re-reads) by Laurell K Hamilton
> 
> Ms. Hamilton also has the Merry Gentry books, which are just as 
good as the
> Anita Blake books.
> 
> P.N. Elrod has a series called the Vampire Files which are always 
worth a
> read through.
> 
> Most of the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice.
> 
> Then of course there is Robert Jordon's Wheel of Time series.
> 
> Cat



Alla:

Welcome,Cathy!


This is a great topic. Well, I like to reread quite a few books, when 
I have time and yes, many of them I read when I was a teenager.

In their majority these books were written by russian writers.

Among the books, which are known internationally, I love rereading 
Alexandre Dumas books, I love Mercedes Lackey books, I also love  the 
stories about Perry mason.

One of my favourite books of all time is "The demolished Man" by 
Alfred Bester. I first read it in Russian quite a few years ago, then 
when I came to the States I read it in English and realised that 
translation was fantastic.




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 16 23:56:40 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:56:40 -0000
Subject: My Door Won't Open
In-Reply-To: <cfr3jm+fmur@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfrhjo+ulon@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "garybec" <garybec at y...> 
wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> Can you help?  I am going nuts here.  My door won't open?  What am 
I 
> doing wrong?  Am I suppose to go somewhere else first?
> 
> Any ideas anyone?
> 
> Thanks,
> Becki

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Internet Options and clear your temporary folder of cookies and 
files and try again.

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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Mon Aug 16 23:55:52 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:55:52 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Newbie
Message-ID: <8d.12610f3b.2e52a388@aol.com>

Is the door already closed?  Mine says do not disturb?  :(


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 00:14:15 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:14:15 -0000
Subject: For those who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <081620041621.29474.4120DF210006113B0000732222007623029C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cfrikn+3idq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, drliss at c... wrote:
> Jason:
> 
> There is something "dusty but dignified" about the character she's 
described 
> which makes me think it might be Prof. Lupin senior. As for major 
new characters 
> he could be the new DADA professor and/or the half blood prince, 
or the new 
> minister for magic. > Snip<
> 
> Lissa:
> 
> I got the Lupin Sr. thought as well!  Actually, a lot of it 
reminded me of Lupin.  Same color hair, we don't really know Lupin's 
eye color, and in the movies, Lupin uses a cane after full moon.  
(Goes nicely with the limp and the foreshadowing comments, huh?)
> 
> I also thought of Dumbledore when he was younger, but aren't his 
eyes blue?  I forget.
> 
> And, of course, there's teh new DADA teacher.  (Now, THAT could be 
fun.  What if Lupin Sr. was teaching DADA?)
> 
> Lissa
> 
>*****\(@@)/*****

Seems to me it must be Alberforth - Dumbledore's brother! Finally, 
we will be introduced to him.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From snow15145 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 00:20:27 2004
From: snow15145 at yahoo.com (snow15145)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:20:27 -0000
Subject: Not empty Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The door, the door!
In-Reply-To: <cfqvh5+9kk6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfrj0b+bkos@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" <snow15145 at y...> 
wrote:
> Guide to opening the door!
> T
> H
> I
> S
> 
> S
> H
> O
> U
> L
> D
> 
> B
> E
> 
> U
> S
> E
> D
> 
> A
> S
> 
> A
> 
> L
> A
> S
> T
> 
> R
> E
> S
> O
> R
> T
> 
> 
> So you are frustrated! 
> 
> First thing to do...leave the door room and go to extra stuff, the 
> cup on the desk, wait for peeves to blow through noticing as he 
does 
> that he moves a card that reveals a card with a number on 
it...write 
> this down you will need it later
> 
> Second go back to the room open the door...it is dark inside. move 
> your cursor to the middle of the dark doorway across from the door 
> handle a little down and to your left...just keep clicking it is 
> there.
> 
> Third you will see a dart board...you need to aim at the numbers of 
> Harry's birth...not year
> 
> Fourth will be a security locked vault that you should have the 
> number for from step one...vault opens click on document inside
> 
> Side Note:
> 
> We know that you cannot copy and paste the items on this site but 
if 
> you hit your Alt key then your print screen key... open word 
document 
> to save... and hit Ctrl key plus v key you will save whatever was 
> open on her desktop. 
> 
> Snow

Replying and correcting my own post. Apologies to anyone I mislead 
with clue #3 which should be The Sorcerer's Stone vault Number as 
davewitley pointed out in post # 23848, I was thinking Harry's 
birthday but actually threw the darts in order of the vault number. 
Sorry to anyone that I mislead by my instruction goof!
Snow





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 17 00:57:02 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:57:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Secret text behind the door
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040816152824.034dcc00@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEDBDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Thanks, all of you, for your help and info. :-)

I really appreciate it!

Cheers,
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 17 01:02:03 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:02:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfr8o8+ol0s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEDBDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[lavaluvn wrote]:
| Oh, I forgot Anne, loved those, too. Also someone else mentioned
| Jane Eyre and Lloyd Alexander, more favorites.  This has been fun.

[Lee]:
Oh--sharing is fun!

And don't forget "The Little Princess" which has it's own brand of magic.
:-)

And reading the book version of "E.T." is lots of fun.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 01:03:27 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:03:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the prize
In-Reply-To: <1092702035.7023.83220.m21@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040817010327.87104.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com>

YAY! 
I finally got it to work! Thanks to everyone who
offered suggestions, both on and off list. 
Apperantly, I'm as bad at playing darts as I am at
playing video games! I was dropping the darts over the
numbers themselves, not the spaces near the center
that line up with the numbers. Once I figured that
out, I got the safe right away.

What do I think of the prize? It's ok. A little
anticlimatic, actually, especially since the puzzle
seems quite difficult for someone who didn't cheat and
look up how to do it online (like I did-thanks, Leaky
Cauldron!). For all that effort, we should be rewarded
with at least a paragraph-not a couple of short
sentences! I actually found the transcript of JKR's
recent Q&A in Edinburgh more tasty and cluelicious.

And come to think of it, where does it say that what's
in the safe is an exerpt from book 6? I assume that's
what it is, but it's not labeled at all.

Tyler
who does have a social life, but doesn't spend it
playing darts or video games


[Jason wrote]:
|
| I hesitate to post on it yet since it only seems 1
or 2 of you have
| gotten through the dartboard and the next puzzle
but, What do you
| think of the prize?


		
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From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Tue Aug 17 01:12:22 2004
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:12:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Newbie
In-Reply-To: <8d.12610f3b.2e52a388@aol.com>
References: <8d.12610f3b.2e52a388@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41215B76.3020507@rcn.com>

shalimar07 at aol.com wrote:

>Is the door already closed?  Mine says do not disturb?  :(
>
>
>  
>

Purge your browser's cache and try reloading the page then.  Also, don't 
use the AOL browser, use an external browser like MSIE or Opera or Avant 
(all free-to-download), since AOL's servers often don't purge their 
caches and keep serving up the same old outdated pages.  It's a common 
problem on Jo's site.

-- 

***
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Aug 17 01:14:10 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:14:10 -0000
Subject: Newbie
In-Reply-To: <cfr6bc+2c7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfrm52+jtek@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lunalovesharry" wrote in:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23844 
> 
> Do you all have any theories about Aunt Petunia????????

The Main List is overflowing with Petunia theories. The Main List,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages , is for
discussion of canon (enlivened by referring to JKR's own words in
interviews and on her website) while this list, OT, is for discussion
not about canon.




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 01:23:03 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:23:03 -0000
Subject: Secret text behind the door
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEDBDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cfrmln+qdln@eGroups.com>

"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> Thanks, all of you, for your help and info. :-)
> 
> I really appreciate it!
> 
> Cheers,
> Lee :-)
> 
> Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
> I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
> Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at a... (or)
> I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at o...
> Walk beside me, and be my friend.




Alla:

Yes, thanks guys. All of you. :o)




From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Aug 17 01:43:55 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:43:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: What is list appropriate on OT Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newbie
In-Reply-To: <cfrm52+jtek@eGroups.com>
References: <cfr6bc+2c7v@eGroups.com> <cfrm52+jtek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3020.4.47.27.226.1092707035.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) said:

> The Main List is overflowing with Petunia theories. The Main List,
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages , is for
> discussion of canon (enlivened by referring to JKR's own words in
> interviews and on her website) while this list, OT, is for discussion
> not about canon.

Yeah, however, the smaller size of this list offers a bit more 'comfort'
and it's probably an 'especially' case for newbies.

Admin of HPFGU redirects members here to discuss [the content of] JKR's
site.  The recent interview is located on JKR's site.  It can go either
way.  It's good to advise where the 'main body' of the discussion is but
not to say it can't be done here.

Dina




From alina at distantplace.net  Tue Aug 17 01:03:40 2004
From: alina at distantplace.net (Alina)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:03:40 -0400
Subject: problems with the door
Message-ID: <001e01c483f6$094951d0$6402a8c0@Pandemonium>

I'm sorry if this appears twice, but I don't think my first post got
through. When I open the door all I see is blackness, is that how it's
supposed to be? Or is it because it's night-time for me at the website right
now?

I appreciate the help.

Alina.






From alina at distantplace.net  Tue Aug 17 00:42:08 2004
From: alina at distantplace.net (alina at distantplace.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:42:08 -0000
Subject: Secret text behind the door
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040816152824.034dcc00@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <cfrk90+dnu5@eGroups.com>

When the door opens, all I see is blackness. Is it supposed to be 
like that? I'm wondering if it's maybe like that because it's night-
time where I am right now, consquently the website for me is also in 
night-time mode.

Alina.





From meyerjc16 at uww.edu  Tue Aug 17 01:15:23 2004
From: meyerjc16 at uww.edu (ge25y)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:15:23 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??
Message-ID: <cfrm7b+6asr@eGroups.com>

Hello, I'm a fairly new poster and just want to say first of all how 
much I love reading everyones ideas.  It's great fun while we wait 
for HBP.  Beyond that though I'm curious where the Lupin Sr idea 
came from.  I don't remember anything in particular being said about 
his family at all really.  I mean we know he has parents but other 
then the passing remark of them in POA not thinking he would get 
into Hogwarts I don't remember anything being said.  Any special 
reason why he came to mind while reading the description?
Look forward to a response
Jennie





From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 02:50:34 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:50:34 EDT
Subject: Secret text behind the door
Message-ID: <6d.311ee8e4.2e52cc7a@aol.com>

On my screen the secret place to click the mouse is three inches to the 
right of the window sill.

"shalimar07"




From jmmears at comcast.net  Tue Aug 17 03:40:55 2004
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:40:55 -0000
Subject: What is list appropriate on OT Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newbie
In-Reply-To: <3020.4.47.27.226.1092707035.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cfruo7+9n7e@eGroups.com>


> Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) said:
> 
> > The Main List is overflowing with Petunia theories. The Main 
List,
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages , is for
> > discussion of canon (enlivened by referring to JKR's own words in
> > interviews and on her website) while this list, OT, is for 
discussion
> > not about canon.


Dina replied:

> Yeah, however, the smaller size of this list offers a bit 
more 'comfort'
> and it's probably an 'especially' case for newbies.
> 
> Admin of HPFGU redirects members here to discuss [the content of] 
JKR's
> site.  The recent interview is located on JKR's site.  It can go 
either
> way.  It's good to advise where the 'main body' of the discussion 
is but
> not to say it can't be done here.

The trouble is that since the Home page specifically says that this 
list is for off-topic discussions, it's unlikely that very many 
people on this site will be interested in participating in a canon-
based thread.  Although it may seem to be a bit more comfortable to 
post in a smaller group, it's lots more fun to get some feedback 
when you bring up a topic and that's much more likely on the main 
list.  I'd hate for anyone new to the lists to post here and get no 
response to a canon topic that may be of great interest to the 
larger community.  I know I hate it when no one responds to *my* 
posts :-).

Jo S.




From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Aug 17 04:07:27 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:07:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: What is list appropriate on OT Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newbie
In-Reply-To: <cfruo7+9n7e@eGroups.com>
References: <3020.4.47.27.226.1092707035.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cfruo7+9n7e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3129.4.47.27.226.1092715647.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

serenadust said:

> list.  I'd hate for anyone new to the lists to post here and get no
> response to a canon topic that may be of great interest to the
> larger community.  I know I hate it when no one responds to *my*
> posts :-).

You were here for the 'no one responds to my messages on the main list'
thread, correct? {chuckle}  Truthfully, I read nearly every single email
on this list but may read less than four emails from the main list.

The possibility of being ignored will occur either way.

If you're new, I think it better to ease yourself into this community.  I
think I'm still on moderated on HPFGU and my second posting experience was
to get a 'reject' that I must combine messages because queued messages are
at a disadvantage.  If you're queued/moderated, it's much easier to get
busted for posting more than one message per day.  I know the reasoning
for this, but for a newbie then, it did leave a not-so-pleasant aftertaste
when you're watching other unmoderated folk break the rule you got busted
for.

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Aug 17 04:30:24 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Addendum Re: What is list appropriate on OT Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 
     Newbie
In-Reply-To: <3129.4.47.27.226.1092715647.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
References: <3020.4.47.27.226.1092707035.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>  
    <cfruo7+9n7e@eGroups.com>
    <3129.4.47.27.226.1092715647.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <3134.4.47.27.226.1092717024.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Something I would probably get busted for on the main list is to add a
later revision--no, this wasn't why my messages were rejected, instead, I
tried replying to another message that hit the list half an hour after I
sent my reply but I was stuck in queue, looking like I hadn't read an
entire thread before replying or made an effort at combining my replies. 
For someone new to posting, that gave me pause.

A person could also find OTChatter a forum where a member could 'refine'
their argument/essay, if they were to get a response, before posting to
HPFGU, if they desired this 'larger readership', and maybe save some
trouble.

Dina




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 06:09:07 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:09:07 -0000
Subject: Still have a 'Do Not Disturb' Sign
In-Reply-To: <cfqo9h+oajr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfs7e4+tk8l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "peaches_without_cream"
<Peaches_without_cream at y...> wrote:
> Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but I still have a 'Do Not 
> Disturb' sign on the door when I access JKR's site.  Needless to say, 
> this is very frustrating.  Is it because I have AOL?  Someone help, 
> please!

Asian_lovr2:

It could very well that it's because you have AOL. AOL may have
cached/copied that webpage to it's own servers to speed up access, but
they may not have updated their cache lately. It's also possible that
the webpage is cached on your own computer. 

I haven't used AOL in a long time, but here are some suggestions-

1.) Clear the cache in you computer. AOL is based on MS-Internet
Explorer, so try going to the TOOLS menu then to INTERNET OPTIONS,
then select the GENERAL tab (probably the default0, then go to the
TEMPORARY INTERNET FILES section and press the [DELETE FILES] button.
Keep in mind that I don't have AOL installed on my computer, so the
menues may not be identical to what I have listed, but none the less,
there will be an option in the menues somewhere to clear the cache or
delete temporary files.

2.) Connect to AOL and minimize your AOL browser, then open Internet
Explorer and go to JKRowlings webpage and see what happens. This
assumes you have followed step 1.) above.

Other than that, I'm not sure what to suggest. You'll have to wait for
someone with AOL to reply.

Steve/asian_lovr2







From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 09:05:50 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:05:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <cfrm7b+6asr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040817090550.38625.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>



ge25y <meyerjc16 at uww.edu> wrote:
Hello, I'm a fairly new poster and just want to say first of all how 
much I love reading everyones ideas.  It's great fun while we wait 
for HBP.  Beyond that though I'm curious where the Lupin Sr idea 
came from.  I don't remember anything in particular being said about 
his family at all really.  I mean we know he has parents but other 
then the passing remark of them in POA not thinking he would get 
into Hogwarts I don't remember anything being said.  Any special 
reason why he came to mind while reading the description?
Look forward to a response
Jennie


 

Hi Jennie,

          I'm rather new at posting too, although I've been lurking and joining the Sunday chat for almost a year now.

Lupin the elder came to my mind simply because of the "presence" this new character has. Greying tawny hair sounds very similar to Remus, although he is going grey prematurely of course.

The wire-rimmed spectacles imply a degree of poverty. (The family fortune spent trying to find a cure for his son's lycanthropy of course.)

The comparison with the lion implies dignity, a quaility I imagine Lupin to have retained in spite of everything. For example not allowing himself to be ruffled by Snape's comments, leaving Hogwarts for the good of the students and to give Dumbledore an easier ride with the parents.

At the end of Goblet of Fire Dumbledore tells Sirius to "lie low at Lupin's." This suggested to me that there is a Lupin family home somewhere. You are quite right, there is no reference to his parents other than how they tried to everything to cure his lycanthropy in canon.

Sam. (Dina, thanks for your comments on continuing to post these ideas on OT Chatter. I'm well aware this is a bit half baked and I do find the main list too polished to contribute to comfortably.)

I also noticed people on the main list have picked up JKR's comment about Sirius not being married and trying to use this to argue for and against the Remus and Sirius SHIP. While I would approve of her including a gay couple in a series about tolerance, given her warnings she made at the same Q and A session to the assembled young girls about avoiding bad boys I found myself yelling at the computer:

"Well please keep Remus straight then!"

I should be too old for this fan girl buisness.  





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From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 13:26:08 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:26:08 -0000
Subject: Still have a 'Do Not Disturb' Sign
In-Reply-To: <cfs7e4+tk8l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cft11g+s3qg@eGroups.com>

Asian_lovr2:

It could very well that it's because you have AOL. AOL may have
cached/copied that webpage to it's own servers to speed up access, but
they may not have updated their cache lately. It's also possible that
the webpage is cached on your own computer.

I haven't used AOL in a long time, but here are some suggestions-

Wanted to respond about the AOL cache thing.  I have AOL and got in.  
Not on my own mind you, I followed someone else's directions.  So it 
must be on the personal computer not the website as I was able to get 
in.  and thanks for the directions as I would have never been able to 
get in.    So now here is my question.  Who is the person being 
described?  I would love to think it is a family member for Harry but 
am leaning more towards it being either Dumbledoors brother or 
serious's brother Regulas back not really dead. Or maybe Lupins dad?
sherry




From drliss at comcast.net  Tue Aug 17 15:56:38 2004
From: drliss at comcast.net (drliss at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:56:38 +0000
Subject: Lupin's dad?
Message-ID: <081720041556.19240.41222AB600027A2500004B2822007621949C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>

Jennie

Hello, I'm a fairly new poster and just want to say first of all how 
much I love reading everyones ideas.  It's great fun while we wait 
for HBP.  Beyond that though I'm curious where the Lupin Sr idea 
came from.  I don't remember anything in particular being said about 
his family at all really.  I mean we know he has parents but other 
then the passing remark of them in POA not thinking he would get 
into Hogwarts I don't remember anything being said.  Any special 
reason why he came to mind while reading the description?
Look forward to a response


Lissa:

Hey, and welcome.  :)  

I'm one of the ones that immediately thought two things: Godric Gryffindor (the lion aspect) and Lupin's dad.  The Gryffindor one's pretty obvious, but the reason I start discounting it was the spectacles.  Lupin's dad...

The character has to be one we haven't physically seen before, otherwise why give so much attention to his appearance?  Or if we HAVE seen him, this is a younger (or future) version of said character.

The hair streaked with gray is a trait that she uses over and over to describe Lupin, which is why my mind immediately jumped to him.  Of course, the character being described in this isn't Lupin, my mind said.  But the hair and the dusty-but-distinguished traits really matched up.  (As does the fact that Lupin's eye color has never been mentioned, and most fanfic writers give Lupin amber eyes because of the wolf connection.)  So who could it be?  Lupin's dad?

Hmmm.  Why not?  We "met" Sirius's mother in OotP, and saw what she was like.  We've been promised some info about Harry's grandparents.  Why shouldn't we know a few key things about what the Lupins (and for that matter the Pettigrews) are like as well?  It makes sense that there may some day be more mention of Lupin's family- especially since JKR can most definitively answer that Lupin's a half-blood.  

It's a possibility- like so many others.  It could be a portrait of GG, and JKR just decided the Wizarding World had spectacles before the rest of the world.  It could be the new DADA teacher.  It could be the new Minister of Magic.  It could be a lot of people, but that's how (at least I) formed the theory that one of the people it -could- be was Lupin's dad.

Lissa

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From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 20:13:11 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ron Weasley and A Cinderella Story
In-Reply-To: <20040813120759.35077.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040817201311.32279.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>

I just got an email from Columbia House because I'm a
member of their DVD Club and it contained this
surprising piece of information: "Did you know that
Rupert Grint (aka Harry Potter's mate Ron) was
originally slotted to play the role of the prince in A
Cinderella story?" 

How weird would it have been to see Rupert playing the
role of Hilary Duff's love interest? I wonder if they
changed their mind or if he had to turn it down
because of HP filming. I think it would have been
really weird, but it's good for his career that he's
being looked at for completely different roles and
that his minimized role in HP isn't pushing him into
the shadows:)

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 21:19:09 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:19:09 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??/Naw! It's got to be Alberforth!/And Other Things
In-Reply-To: <20040817090550.38625.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cftsod+cpp2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sam Edwards 
<hermionesmum at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> ge25y <meyerjc16 at u...> wrote:
> Hello, I'm a fairly new poster and just want to say first of all 
how much I love reading everyones ideas.  It's great fun while we 
wait for HBP.  Beyond that though I'm curious where the Lupin Sr 
idea came from.  >Snip<  Any special reason why he came to mind 
while reading the description?
> Look forward to a response
> Jennie
> 
> 
>Hermionesmum said:  
> 
> Hi Jennie,
I'm rather new at posting too, although I've been lurking and 
joining the Sunday chat for almost a year now.
> 
> Lupin the elder came to my mind simply because of the "presence" 
this new character has. Greying tawny hair sounds very similar to 
Remus, although he is going grey prematurely of course.
> 
> The wire-rimmed spectacles imply a degree of poverty. (The family 
fortune spent trying to find a cure for his son's lycanthropy of 
course.)
> 
> The comparison with the lion implies dignity, a quaility I imagine 
Lupin to have retained in spite of everything. For example not 
allowing himself to be ruffled by Snape's comments, leaving Hogwarts 
for the good of the students and to give Dumbledore an easier ride 
with the parents.
> 
> At the end of Goblet of Fire Dumbledore tells Sirius to "lie low 
at Lupin's." This suggested to me that there is a Lupin family home 
somewhere. <Snip> 

(Dina, thanks for your comments on continuing to post these ideas on 
OT Chatter. I'm well aware this is a bit half baked and I do find 
the main list too polished to contribute to comfortably.)
> 
> I also noticed people on the main list have picked up JKR's 
comment about Sirius not being married and trying to use this to 
argue for and against the Remus and Sirius SHIP. While I would 
approve of her including a gay couple in a series about tolerance, 
given her warnings she made at the same Q and A session to the 
assembled young girls about avoiding bad boys I found myself yelling 
at the computer:
> 
> "Well please keep Remus straight then!"
> 
> I should be too old for this fan girl buisness.  
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

First of all welcome, Jennie! Please join us for chat some Sunday - 
we have lots of fun and are a pretty mellow group. Plus we listen to 
what each other has to say and have good discussions.

I couldn't figure out why everyone thought of a Lupin family member. 
My very first impression when I read the passage, was Oh! I bet this 
is the new DADA teacher! My second thought was this has to be 
Alberforth, Dumbledore's brother. For one, the description screams 
Gryffindor and the spectacles reminded me of Dumbledore! Again, he 
is another character that we have only had the smallest hint of. 
Possibly we will find out that DD and his brother were actually a 
lot like Fred and George.... Of course, we will probably be all 
wrong and this is a totally new character that we haven't seen 
before! 

Dina, I too appreciate your comments. I posted that I thought the 
character might be Alberforth on the main list and got ignored as 
usual. After a while it will show up in someone else's post as their 
original idea....

Anyway. I will stand by my claim that it is Alberforth till JKR 
proves us all wrong!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 21:11:27 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:11:27 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad? - Mother Mentioned Before
In-Reply-To: <081720041556.19240.41222AB600027A2500004B2822007621949C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cfts9v+uqbk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, drliss at c... wrote:
> Jennie
> 
> ...  Beyond that though I'm curious where the Lupin Sr idea 
> came from.  ...
> 
> 
> Lissa:
> 
> Hey, and welcome.  :)  
> 
> I'm one of the ones that immediately thought two things: Godric
Gryffindor (the lion aspect) and Lupin's dad.  The Gryffindor one's
pretty obvious, but the reason I start discounting it was the
spectacles.  Lupin's dad...
> 
> ...edited.... 
> 
> It's a possibility- like so many others.  It could be a portrait of
GG, and JKR just decided the Wizarding World had spectacles before the
rest of the world.  It could be the new DADA teacher.  It could be the
new Minister of Magic.  It could be a lot of people, but that's how
(at least I) formed the theory that one of the people it -could- be
was Lupin's dad.
> 
> Lissa


B_Boymn:

Although, I can't recall where it was or in which book, Lupin's Mother
has been mentioned before; it was, however, a very indirect/in-passing
mention went something like, 'Lupin was staying at his mother's
house'. That's not a direct quote, but reflects the 'gist' of what was
said. 

I suspect that if Lupin father were alive, the reference paraphrased
above would have been to Lupin's parent's house rather than his
mother's house.

While there has been no mention of Lupin's father, some speculate
about the briefcase that Lupin carried, which had in peeling gold
letters - 'Professor R.J. Lupin' imprinted on it. Since Lupin is
relatively young, people question how he could already be a professor.
Among the many speculation to explain this was that the briefcase
belonged to his father. 

My personal theory regarding the 'Professor' lettering on the case has
been that Lupin's mother (since she was mentioned) encouraged him to
make good use of his time since he wasn't able to work. So she
encouraged him to study and better himself. Through study, academic
research, and published academic papers, Lupin was able to gain
recognition and the title of 'Professor'. This is part of my theory on
continuing education after Howarts theory.

The new lion-man or lion-like character could be related to an
existing character, or the new DADA teacher, or the new Potions
teacher (assuming Snape takes the DADA position), the Half Blood
Prince, or the new Minister of Magic (for Fudge will surely be gone).

I would lean more toward the new DADA teacher or the new Potions
teacher, myself.

Regardless of who he is, the 'Lion Man' sounds like a very interesting
character.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/was Asian_Lovr2; now B_Boymn, having previously been BBoy_mn










From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 22:50:42 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:50:42 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Lupin's dad??/Naw! It's got to be Alberforth!/And O...
Message-ID: <19b.28806a04.2e53e5c2@aol.com>

I'm with you.  It's got to be Aberforth!


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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Tue Aug 17 23:26:37 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:26:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ron Weasley and A Cinderella Story
References: <20040817201311.32279.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <019801c484b1$a455a2d0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Minimized role?  I don't think so.  Of course, most of the critics seem to
think that Rupert is hamming it up and over-playing the role, but I think he
is right on target, and I'll tell you something else.  One of the greatest
things about the H.P. movies is the emphasis somebody must have put on the
delivery of lines.  Fifty points to all the houses on that one.  Back to
Rupert, though, I'll go to see any film he's in.  That doesn't mean I'll
like them all, but I will give 'em a shot, and as for Dan--oh, hurry up and
come of age, sweetheart.  Yes, I know I'm way too old for him, but it's nice
to know that my heart can still flutter a bit at the sound of some voices.
June
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   Siempre revelde!!
June





From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 23:49:17 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Help with the Door (JK's Site)
Message-ID: <20040817234917.69816.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>

This has, no doubt, already been discussed - but I'm
avoiding all other messages dealing with JK's site in
order to avoid spoilers. I'd like to figure out how to
access the new information behind the door on my own,
but I'm curious - is it supposed to open and reveal
nothing but a blank black space? If this is normal and
I'm supposed to figure out some way to reveal
something else, let me know - but don't tell me how to
figure it out! If this isn't normal, however - what's
gone wrong?

I would be extremely grateful for any spoiler-free
help with this!

Sara

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 17 23:57:28 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:57:28 -0000
Subject: Help with the Door (JK's Site)
In-Reply-To: <20040817234917.69816.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfu618+db0u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Lanthiriel S 
<isilvalacirca at y...> wrote:
> This has, no doubt, already been discussed - but I'm
> avoiding all other messages dealing with JK's site in
> order to avoid spoilers. I'd like to figure out how to
> access the new information behind the door on my own,
> but I'm curious - is it supposed to open and reveal
> nothing but a blank black space? If this is normal and
> I'm supposed to figure out some way to reveal
> something else, let me know - but don't tell me how to
> figure it out! If this isn't normal, however - what's
> gone wrong?
> 
> I would be extremely grateful for any spoiler-free
> help with this!
> 
> Sara
> 
I don't know how spoiler free this is going to be, but here is a 
hint. Look at the windowsill. Think horizontal line. Think clicking 
along horizontal line and try that and see what happens. Also think 
Harry's Birthday, Extra Stuff/Bulletin Board for clues. Hopefully  
that isn't too much. That's pretty much all you need to figure this 
out.....

Dudemom_2000

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 00:23:41 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:23:41 -0000
Subject: Help with the Door (JK's Site)
In-Reply-To: <cfu618+db0u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfu7id+eubb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> I don't know how spoiler free this is going to be, but here is a 
> hint. Look at the windowsill. Think horizontal line. Think 
clicking 
> along horizontal line and try that and see what happens. Also 
think 
> Harry's Birthday, Extra Stuff/Bulletin Board for clues. Hopefully  
> that isn't too much. That's pretty much all you need to figure 
this 
> out.....
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

One more hint: Peeves is vital in finding the last clue......

Dudemom_2000




From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 02:08:46 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Help with the Door (JK's Site)
In-Reply-To: <cfu7id+eubb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040818020846.58897.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>

--- dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> One more hint: Peeves is vital in finding the last
> clue......

*sigh* Thank you for your help, it is very much
appreciated. Unfortunately I got both impatient and
frustrated and finally caved and consulted TLC's
instructions. 

Was I just being thick, or did anyone else think that
was a bit too complex to figure out on one's own??

Sara


		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 02:23:19 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: For those who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cfrikn+3idq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040818022319.9589.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>


--- dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Seems to me it must be Alberforth - Dumbledore's
> brother! Finally, 
> we will be introduced to him.

I tend to agree with Aberforth, although I suppose it
could end up being an as-yet-unknown Weasley relative
(I'm going by the tawny hair). But it would make sense
if it were Aberforth, especially since I think
Dumbledore (and therefore his brother also) is the
Heir of Gryffindor.

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From spin01 at aol.com  Wed Aug 18 02:35:26 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:35:26 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <20040817090550.38625.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfuf9e+ejhv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sam Edwards 
<hermionesmum at y...> wrote:
> 
> The wire-rimmed spectacles imply a degree of poverty. (The family 
fortune spent trying to find a cure for his son's lycanthropy of 
course.)


Sam,  I read with interest your post.  I agree with some although not 
with all of it.  I did have a question about the above part of your 
post.  How does the wire-rimmed spectacles leap to a conclusion of 
poverty?  I don't understand your jump there.  
sherry




From hedwigstalons at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 06:19:36 2004
From: hedwigstalons at yahoo.com (hedwigstalons)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:19:36 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfq1i8+bun6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfusdo+j7gi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lavaluvn" <gansecki at h...> 
wrote:
<snip>

>  So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside 
> of HP? 
  What do you 
> folks REread aside from Harry.
> 
> -Andromeda

I read C.S. Lewis' Narnia books and Laura Ingalls Wilder's Little 
House on the Prairie books numerous times when I was a kid. Also 
Madeleine L'Enlge's "A Wrinkle in Time", "A Swiftly Tilting Planet" 
and "A Wind in the Door"; also Judy Blume books and Beverly Cleary  
books.

As an adult, the books I've found and reread are:
Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, Speaker for the Dead, etc. by Orson 
Scott Card; of course all of the Harry books!; Piers Anthony's 
Incarnations of Immortality series - specifically "On Being a Green 
Mother" and "Upon a Pale Horse"; and that's all I can think of right 
now!

It's fun to see titles of books that I read as a teen and loved on 
others lists!!

HedwigsTalons





From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 06:29:22 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Help with the Door (JK's Site)
In-Reply-To: <20040817234917.69816.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040818062922.12328.qmail@web61006.mail.yahoo.com>

yes, it's meant to be like that. Have fun

Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at yahoo.com> wrote:This has, no doubt, already been discussed - but I'm
avoiding all other messages dealing with JK's site in
order to avoid spoilers. I'd like to figure out how to
access the new information behind the door on my own,
but I'm curious - is it supposed to open and reveal
nothing but a blank black space? If this is normal and
I'm supposed to figure out some way to reveal
something else, let me know - but don't tell me how to
figure it out! If this isn't normal, however - what's
gone wrong?

I would be extremely grateful for any spoiler-free
help with this!

Sara

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From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 06:40:32 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <cfuf9e+ejhv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040818064032.59015.qmail@web61009.mail.yahoo.com>

I would expect spectacles with a simple wire rim to be cheap ones. (As opposed to Rita Skeeter's something elaborate, was it tortoiseshell?) I know that's not always the case with real-life designers but it's the mental picture in my mind. I can't think of any plastic items cropping up in the wizarding world for there to be an equivalent of Harry's classic NHS specs as the "bottom of the range" ones.
I hope that makes sense, I've only had four hours sleep. (Hermione's teething.)
Sam


spinelli372003 <spin01 at aol.com> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sam Edwards 
<hermionesmum at y...> wrote:
> 
> The wire-rimmed spectacles imply a degree of poverty. (The family 
fortune spent trying to find a cure for his son's lycanthropy of 
course.)


Sam,  I read with interest your post.  I agree with some although not 
with all of it.  I did have a question about the above part of your 
post.  How does the wire-rimmed spectacles leap to a conclusion of 
poverty?  I don't understand your jump there.  
sherry



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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 07:10:31 2004
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:10:31 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfusdo+j7gi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cfuvd7+6nee@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lavaluvn" <gansecki at h...> 
> wrote:

<snip>
 
> So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside 
> of HP? What do you folks REread aside from Harry.
>
> -Andromeda

Well, let's see.  It looks like I'm in good company when I say that
I've re-read the Anne books many times - but I tend to reread specific
volumes.  I reread the 1st a lot... and I also reread the 5th and 8th
 quite a bit.  _The Blue Castle_ and the _Emily_ books are favorites
by Montgomery, too.  I'm also a big fan of L'Engle... and I'm kind of
surprised that nobody's mentioned _Many Waters_ with the other
"O'Keefe" books.  I think I've read that one more than the other three
combined!  Big fan of Austen, of course; must have read _Pride and
Prejudice_ and _Persuasion_ at least 20 times apiece.  _Jane Eyre_ is
a perennial reread, too.  Every once in a while I go through a Louisa
May Alcott phase, where I reread everything she's written (even the
extra preachy stuff), and I'm about due for a repeat of _The Three
Musketeers_ and their sequels.

I tend to be a bit of a speed reader, so I find that if I like a book
the first time through, a second read almost always improves it.  I
always find something I missed the first time around.  And every time
I pick up a book I haven't read in a few years, it always gives me a
sense of nostalgia that I love - especially the few books I remember
my mother reading with me.  I'm pretty sure my girls are going to be
re-readers, too - they've already heard me read _Go, Dog, Go!_ at
least 50 times. ;)

-Jen, who was off-duty in the bedtime reading department tonight




From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Wed Aug 18 07:24:32 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:24:32 -0000
Subject: Help with the Door (way too hard!!!)
In-Reply-To: <20040818020846.58897.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfv07g+guv6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at y...> 
wrote:
> --- dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > One more hint: Peeves is vital in finding the last
> > clue......
> 
> *sigh* Thank you for your help, it is very much
> appreciated. Unfortunately I got both impatient and
> frustrated and finally caved and consulted TLC's
> instructions. 
> 
> Was I just being thick, or did anyone else think that
> was a bit too complex to figure out on one's own??
> 
> Sara
> 
> Sara, I totally agree with you.....even with good hints it took me ages to get in 
there....and in the end I must admit I was kinda dissapointed.......though this 
new character is good for speculation, I was a bit like "is that all??....but it took 
me three hours!!!"  perhaps my hacking skills just aren't up to scratch.....

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From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 07:47:19 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:47:19 -0000
Subject: For those who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <20040818022319.9589.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfv1i7+fdhb@eGroups.com>

> 
> --- dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Seems to me it must be Alberforth - Dumbledore's
> > brother! Finally, 
> > we will be introduced to him.
> 
> I tend to agree with Aberforth, although I suppose it
> could end up being an as-yet-unknown Weasley relative
> (I'm going by the tawny hair). But it would make sense
> if it were Aberforth, especially since I think
> Dumbledore (and therefore his brother also) is the
> Heir of Gryffindor.
> 
> Sara
> 
> 

But haven't we already been introduced to Aberforth (indirectly)?
OOTP US ed p336 
"The barman ... was a grumpy-looking old man with a great deal of 
long gray hair and beard.  He was tall and thin and looked vaguely 
familiar to Harry."  DOesn't sound at all like the lion man, but 
does sound like Dumbledore's black sheep (goat?) brother.  Someone 
new, it must be.
Andromeda





From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 07:58:07 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:58:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Help with the Door (JK's Site)
Message-ID: <20040818075807.92236.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>

18August04
 
Sara wrote:
"*sigh* Thank you for your help, it is very much
appreciated. Unfortunately I got both impatient and
frustrated and finally caved and consulted TLC's
instructions...."

Paula:
I'm with you Sarah, just don't have the time right now to click around on the site.  Real life is pressing in.  Who/what/where is TLC and how can I find him/her/it.
 
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Aug 18 09:52:47 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:52:47 -0000
Subject: That polished main list (was Lupin's dad??)
In-Reply-To: <20040817090550.38625.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cfv8tf+opka@eGroups.com>

Sam wrote:

>Dina, thanks for your comments on continuing to post these ideas on 
OT Chatter. I'm well aware this is a bit half baked and I do find the 
main list too polished to contribute to comfortably.

LOL!  Whereas the other half find it too air-headed and ill-
disciplined.

Seriously, polish is not a requirement there - just good snipping, 
SPAG etc.  Oh, and canon relevance, of course.

David




From lists at heidi8.com  Wed Aug 18 09:58:54 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:58:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Help with the Door (JK's Site)
In-Reply-To: <20040818075807.92236.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040818075807.92236.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1092823138.2ACACA61@w37.dngr.org>


On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 3:58am, Paula Gaon wrote:
> I'm with you Sarah, just don't have the time right now to click around 
> on the site.? Real life is pressing in.? Who/what/where is TLC and 
> how can I find him/her/it.

: gets own horn, after a fashion

TLC is the oldest Harry Potter news-site, and we're at 
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org - I'm one of the editors there. We 
cover things Potter-centric, and our staffers have been to the 
premieres, JKR's 2003 OotP reading in the UK, the WB museum, etc, but we 
also report on what's been in other papers, magazines, etc.

We also do charity things - in the past two years we've raised about ten 
thousand pounds for BookAid - and we organize events, like POAIMAXNYC in 
new york this past June, where 600 potterfans came together to watch POA 
on IMAX the day after it came out. We sold out the theater - such fun.

It is really a terrific resource for fandom news, and I'd say that even 
if I wasn't part of the team.


Best,
Heidi


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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 18 13:10:35 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:10:35 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfuvd7+6nee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002101c48524$c07ef880$0400a8c0@pensive>

In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lavaluvn" <gansecki at h...> 
> wrote:

<snip>
 
> So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside 
> of HP? What do you folks REread aside from Harry.
>
> -Andromeda

When I was a little girl, it was a book called mystery at boulder Point, the
Anne of Green Gables books and the Hardy Boys mysteries.  I didn't discover
Little Women till high school, and then I read it over and over.  I first
read the little house books at age 19 and became hooked.  I still read them
from time to time, especially Plum Creek, long winter and little town.

But the books I really read again and again are anything by Leon Uris,
jubilee trail by Gwen Bristow--love the way the characters develop in that
book--LOTR, books by Stephen King, Rex Stout, Victoria Holt, Anne Perry, a
book called Apollo 13 and of course, Harry Potter.  Actually, I am one who
often rereads anything I like, so I could go on and on.  Oh, another author
I really like and read over again is Guy Gavriel Kay--great fantasies--as
well as George R R martin fantasy series called the song of Ice and Fire.

Sherry
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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 13:33:02 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ron Weasley and A Cinderella Story
In-Reply-To: <019801c484b1$a455a2d0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <20040818133302.25108.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I have to admit, I *don't* like the way they've written Ron's
character for the movie.  It seems to me that he's been made much more of
a lightweight than he actually is in the books.  I mean, this is the guy
who figured out the chess game and sacrificed himself for the others. 
THAT'S the Ron I like.  I think they've made him into the 'comic sidekick'
and I don't always agree with that.

MJ


--- Firedancer <firedancerflash at comcast.net> wrote:

> Minimized role?  I don't think so.  Of course, most of the critics seem
> to
> think that Rupert is hamming it up and over-playing the role, but I
> think he
> is right on target, and I'll tell you something else.  One of the
> greatest
> things about the H.P. movies is the emphasis somebody must have put on
> the
> delivery of lines.  Fifty points to all the houses on that one.  Back to
> Rupert, though, I'll go to see any film he's in.  That doesn't mean I'll
> like them all, but I will give 'em a shot, and as for Dan--oh, hurry up
> and
> come of age, sweetheart.  Yes, I know I'm way too old for him, but it's
> nice
> to know that my heart can still flutter a bit at the sound of some
> voices.
> June
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June
> 
> 
> 


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From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 15:12:11 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ron Weasley and A Cinderella Story
In-Reply-To: <1092818895.1069.30398.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040818151211.71664.qmail@web51710.mail.yahoo.com>

I remember reading something in Harry Potter
cyberspace over a year ago saying that Rupert was
going to star in a film with Hillary Duff. Every once
in a while I would wonder what happened with it. Now I
know!  My guess is that he had to turn it down for
scheduling reasons, and I'm glad he did! Rupert is
capable of much more than some execrable HIllary
'complete lack of talent' Duff vehicle!
While the odds are against him, I think Rupert could
have a career as a comedic actor after the Potter
films are finished.

Tyler


Kathryn wrote:
I just got an email from Columbia House because I'm a
member of their DVD Club and it contained this
surprising piece of information: "Did you know that
Rupert Grint (aka Harry Potter's mate Ron) was
originally slotted to play the role of the prince in A
Cinderella story?" 

How weird would it have been to see Rupert playing the
role of Hilary Duff's love interest? I wonder if they
changed their mind or if he had to turn it down
because of HP filming. I think it would have been
really weird, but it's good for his career that he's
being looked at for completely different roles and
that his minimized role in HP isn't pushing him into
the shadows:)




	
		
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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 15:42:19 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:42:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Help with the Door (JK's Site)
Message-ID: <20040818154219.64175.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>

18August04


Heidi wrote:
"...: gets own horn, after a fashion

TLC is the oldest Harry Potter news-site, and we're at
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org - I'm one of the editors there...."

Paula:

Heidi, you well deserve to blow your horn!  Thanks so much!  I love a good brain teaser, but searching in the dark drives me nuts!  I had checked out TLC a few times before, but the initials threw me.

Anyway, the "tawney hair and looking like a lion" remind me of Mudugus".  He was always rather cat-like to me (think I may have posted or responded to something about him a long time ago.) and I still expect him to play a significant role.

Thanks again and keep up the good work!

Paula Gaon




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From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 17:25:26 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:25:26 -0000
Subject: JKR's tea cup
Message-ID: <cg03e6+imag@eGroups.com>

Has anyone who knows how to read tea leaves read the ones in JKR's 
cup on her website?  I have no clue, but I was wondering if this may 
be some way of foreshadowing.  She is quite sly and subtle, you know.

Julie




From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Wed Aug 18 17:40:23 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:40:23 EDT
Subject: hello ... newbie again
Message-ID: <81.1382c40e.2e54ee87@aol.com>

Hello one and all ....
I can't find the note where someone told me to go and read the other list for 
discussion on Aunt Petunia as "canon" isn't posted here to this list.  I was 
going to reference it in this note!  Anyway,  I'd like to 'THANK' whomever 
said recently that the other list is a bit too polished and she prefers the 
relaxed environment this list offers (I'm paraphrasing).  I feel as he/she does and 
hope my questions about "theory" will be accepted here.  I like to talk about 
the actors, the movies, the books, the author AND theories and I do hope that 
is ok with everyone.   I'm just so excited about the books that I think it's 
fun to discuss it ALL here.  Perhaps Jo will answer the faq poll question at 
her website soon and we will all be enlightened as to Aunt Petunia's role.  :)  
 By the way, there is a great link at www.mugglenet.com of pictures of the 
filming of a scene from GoF if anyone is interested.  It's fun to watch these 
kids grow up!
  



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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Aug 18 18:03:49 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:03:49 -0000
Subject: What is list appropriate on OT
In-Reply-To: <3129.4.47.27.226.1092715647.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cg05m5+4bcc@eGroups.com>

I have posted a response to some of the issues raised in this thread 
over on the Feedback list.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback

David




From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Aug 18 18:56:11 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:56:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <20040817090550.38625.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <cfrm7b+6asr@eGroups.com>
    <20040817090550.38625.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1091.4.12.232.36.1092855371.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Not feeling well for a few days taking me out.  Working on catching up.

Sam Edwards said:

> Lupin the elder came to my mind simply because of the "presence" this new
> character has. Greying tawny hair sounds very similar to Remus, although
> he is going grey prematurely of course.

I tend to lean more towards the new DADA professor, so maybe not far from
your idea but I don't necessarily think he's related to Lupin.  Based on
the recent Edinburgh interview, I estimate McClaggan most likely a minor
character in HBP if JKR mentioned finding the name the 'other day'.

At first, I thought the description tapped into Godric but the walking
reference made me pause.  I know subjects in paintings can move but the
wording didn't give me an impression of a painting.


> At the end of Goblet of Fire Dumbledore tells Sirius to "lie low at
> Lupin's." This suggested to me that there is a Lupin family home

Not necessarily.  Lupin was released from Hogwarts by the end of POA and
the Order wasn't truly called together until the end of GOF.  A whole year
of not having *any* home?  Any place cheap enough to rent could imply
crashing at "Lupin's".  It wouldn't surprise me if Lupin kept in contact
with Dumbledore.

If you're debating the poverty a child's illness can cause, then a home
can be sold (e.g. Lupin family home).


> Sam. (Dina, thanks for your comments on continuing to post these ideas on
> OT Chatter. I'm well aware this is a bit half baked and I do find the main
> list too polished to contribute to comfortably.)

I think it's a bit more freedom to explore an idea without fearing your
posts are being counted and evaluated on being the most 'time-saving'.  A
strong sense of 'elitism' and it's even stronger when folks think the main
list is deteriorating into a bunch of 'airheads'. ;-)

Can't please everybody but I prefer narrowing down who I piss off, so
participating on a smaller list with less strict rules is more appealing
to me.  Since OTChatter is a sister group of HPFGU, it's easier to pull
ideas off the main list and expand upon them here, including any
extraneous tangents that would be barred from the main list.

Oh, I'm a snob too, however, I just don't dig folks who can't display more
sense.  I watched about 200 folks email in age statements *on-list*
elsewhere when I, among others, perfectly understood the admins did *not*
request this.  In addition, the admins sent *at least* three requests not
to email age statements on-list--days later, the age statements are still
hitting the list.

For the love of God, your *mass* stupidity {jabs spork at them}... and
this coming from folks claiming to be ages 18-55 in the HP fandom.


> "Well please keep Remus straight then!"

I'm a slasher. :-)  I like gay characters, ambiguous or otherwise.

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Aug 18 19:54:50 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Outta luck here Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is list appropriate on 
     OT
In-Reply-To: <cg05m5+4bcc@eGroups.com>
References: <3129.4.47.27.226.1092715647.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cg05m5+4bcc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1130.4.12.232.36.1092858890.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

davewitley said:

> I have posted a response to some of the issues raised in this thread
> over on the Feedback list.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback

Not a member and membership is restricted and I generally don't care what
goes on the main list to warrant subscribing to another list to add on to
my already ~150 list memberships.

Dina




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 20:38:25 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Bush)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:38:25 -0000
Subject: Interesting discovery.....
Message-ID: <cg0eo1+e5vv@eGroups.com>

I was reading some JKR Q&A interviews and came across this little 
tidbit....

WBUR "The Connection" October 12, 1999

BEGIN QUOTE:

Kathleen:question38
 Anyway, it's very exciting; we just love Harry Potter, so we're 
curious ? well ? first of all we can't wait for books four, five, 
six and seven [JKR: OK], but after that, we're curious as to whether 
Harry is going to have a life after Hogwarts? Or if maybe Harry 
might be a Hogwarts teacher?
 
J.K. Rowling:
 Erm, well, because all your kids said hello so nicely in the 
background there, I'm going to give you information I haven't given 
anyone else, and I will tell you that one of the characters ? er ? 
one of ? one of Harry's class mates, though it's not Harry himself, 
does end up a teacher at Hogwarts, but it is not maybe the one you'd 
think ? hint, hint, hint! 
So, yes one of them does end up staying at Hogwarts, but ? erm ...
Lydon:
 Does the kids want to have a guess at it, Kathleen?
 
Kathleen:
 Do you like to have a guess at who it is?
 
Class:
 Ron
 
Kathleen:
 They say Ron ...
 
J.K. Rowling:
 Noooo ? it's not Ron ...
 
Kathleen:
 [to class] it's not Ron ... 
 
J.K. Rowling:
 ... because I can't see Ron as a teacher, no way.
 
J.K.Rowling & Kathleen
 laughs.
 
END QUOTE


Well, well, well.....

The obvious answer (to me, anyway) would be Hermione.  But, the 
right answer isn't the obvious answer.  And it's not Ron.

Hmmmm....

I know this is a fairly minor subplot, but things like this interest 
me, so I thought I'd throw it out to you guys.

MJ





From cmw652 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 15:57:54 2004
From: cmw652 at yahoo.com (cmw652)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:57:54 -0000
Subject: Transcripts??
Message-ID: <cfvua2+3b3r@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone!
   I have a question for you all; Has anyone ever typed out the
handwritten "notes" and "originals" from JKR's website?? English isn't
my first language, and I have no chance of understanding what is going
on in all of that scribbling. I am talking mainly about the scrap book
materials (and especially the PS/SS early page or whatever it is)...
anyway. Thought it was worth a shot. :D Thanks.
Christine





From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 20:55:55 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:55:55 -0000
Subject: Interesting discovery.....
In-Reply-To: <cg0eo1+e5vv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg0for+pgeo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marita Bush" 
<maritajan at y...> wrote:
> I was reading some JKR Q&A interviews and came across this little 
> tidbit....

> J.K. Rowling:
>  Erm, well, because all your kids said hello so nicely in the 
> background there, I'm going to give you information I haven't 
given 
> anyone else, and I will tell you that one of the characters ? er ? 
> one of ? one of Harry's class mates, though it's not Harry 
himself, 
> does end up a teacher at Hogwarts, but it is not maybe the one 
you'd 
> think ? hint, hint, hint! 


I think it is Neville.  Who would suspect bumbling, nervous Neville 
to become a teacher? ;)

Alora






From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Aug 18 21:07:15 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:07:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: On too many mailing lists?
In-Reply-To: <1130.4.12.232.36.1092858890.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
References: <3129.4.47.27.226.1092715647.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>  
    <cg05m5+4bcc@eGroups.com>
    <1130.4.12.232.36.1092858890.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <1164.4.12.232.36.1092863235.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

I just remembered something (trying to overdose on pain killers hasn't
fried enough neurons yet)...

I think one gal said she was on about 600 mailing lists and she may have
been the one to start a list for folks who are on too many mailing lists. 
I thought that was comical on some level.

Believe it or not, I don't really value my opinion that much because TPTB
will do there own thing anyway, unless there's some
legalities/contract/other-$$$ aspect which can force responsibility and
obligation to others outside their 'inner circles'.

I can voice opinions but they're easily overrode by admin because IMO
fandom is *primarily* a dictatorship and not a democracy, so more lists
are created and more mini-dictatorships are born... Or even on a fanfic
writer to reader basis there's a 'you can provide input but my decision
still overrides yours, so you could be wasting your time'.

It's rather headache-inducing to see how splintered the HP fandom is.

Dina




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 21:12:57 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:12:57 -0000
Subject: JKR's tea cup
In-Reply-To: <cg03e6+imag@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg0gop+ggos@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> Has anyone who knows how to read tea leaves read the ones in JKR's 
> cup on her website?  I have no clue, but I was wondering if this 
may 
> be some way of foreshadowing.  She is quite sly and subtle, you 
know.
> 
> Julie

*****\(@@)/*****

Julie, you challenged me to find a website devoted to tea leaves! 
OK, try:

http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/tealeaves/tealeaves3.html

Hope this helps.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Aug 18 21:30:12 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:12 -0000
Subject: Outta luck here Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is list appropriate on OT
In-Reply-To: <1130.4.12.232.36.1092858890.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cg0hp4+4k5n@eGroups.com>

> davewitley said:
> 
> > I have posted a response to some of the issues raised in this 
thread
> > over on the Feedback list.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback

Dina:
> Not a member and membership is restricted and I generally don't 
care what
> goes on the main list to warrant subscribing to another list to add 
on to
> my already ~150 list memberships.


Just to clear up any misunderstanding here, membership of the 
Feedback list is restricted only insofar as we require prospective 
members to verify that they have received and read the rules of the 
group. It is important that folks realise that this group is not a 
decision making body; it is, however, the appropriate forum for 
discussing list policy.

Regarding an earlier statement,

>If you're queued/moderated, it's much easier to get
> busted for posting more than one message per day.  

Going against what I just said, but again in an attempt to clear up 
any misunderstanding, there is no restriction at present on the 
number of messages anyone may post per day on any HPfGU list. What 
*is* asked is that messages on the same topic are, as far as 
possible, combined. If you answer two or three separate posts on the 
same subject line in a short space of time, it *is* possible to 
answer them in one message.

I can assure you that the elves do understand the disadvantages that 
moderated members labour under and that they are keen to see them 
through the moderation process as swiftly as possible. Keeping 
members moderated only increases their own workload; however 
demodding members who haven't got the hang of things only adds to the 
frustration of everyone else. Unmoderated members who then flout the 
list's posting conventions are another problem. But not for 
discussion here. Members' concern about this kind of thing was one of 
the very reasons for the creation of the Feedback list. ;-)

~Eloise








From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 21:31:30 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:31:30 -0000
Subject: Found an Odd FLINT in OotP
Message-ID: <cg0hri+iakm@eGroups.com>

This may be a FLINT or it may just be context that I don't understand.
Also, I don't recall it being discussed before, although I'm not sure
how much their really is to discuss.

This occurs when Harry arrives at 12 Grimmauld Place and they are
housecleaning.

--- Quote - OotP - Am Ed HB Pg 117 ---

... The china, which bore the Black crest and motto, was all thrown
unceremoniously into the sack by Sirius, and the same fate met a set
of old photographs in tarnished silver frames, all of whose occupnats
squeales shrilly as the glass covering them smashed.

**SNAPE** might refer to their work as "cleaning," but in Harry's
opinion they were really waging war on the house, which was putting up
a very good fight, aided and abetted by Kreacher.

- - - end quote - - -

**SNAPE**?? How did Snape get into the discussion. Certainly, it
should say "Sirius might refer to their work as "cleaning,"...".

Like I said, I don't think there is a big conspiracy here or anything,
just a simple mistake. Funny, though, I read that paragraph many many
tmes, and this is the first time I noticed Snape's name.

Just passing it along.

Steve/b_boymn (was asian_lovr2)





From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Aug 18 22:01:30 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:01:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Outta luck here Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is list appropriate 
     on OT
In-Reply-To: <cg0hp4+4k5n@eGroups.com>
References: <1130.4.12.232.36.1092858890.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cg0hp4+4k5n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1176.4.12.232.36.1092866490.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

eloise_herisson said:

> Just to clear up any misunderstanding here,

No misunderstanding from me at any point.


> Going against what I just said, but again in an attempt to clear up
> any misunderstanding, there is no restriction at present on the
> number of messages anyone may post per day on any HPfGU list.

Again, no misunderstanding from me.  Folks under moderation are penalized
if they post more than one message in a thread if they're under queue and
it doesn't matter if there's ten minutes to hours difference between posts
a person may want to respond to.


> discussion here. Members' concern about this kind of thing was one of
> the very reasons for the creation of the Feedback list. ;-)

Exactly.  Since I ultimately really didn't care either way, I didn't join
the feedback list.  My input doesn't really amount to much when it's one
person to how many others?  These are large lists.  What if I said I
didn't care for moderating members who have shown they aren't spammers?

My opinion would mean jacksquat even on the feedback list--it's like folks
sending petitions for changes in GOF when it's already being filmed.  The
rules are *already* in place: A person has to *repeatedly* demonstrate
they can follow the strict rules before they can be released off
moderation but they will always be under the threat of being placed back
on moderation.

What is there to debate?  I don't see anything from my corner.  I don't
necessarily agree with it but it's not my choice (fandom groups are
generally dictatorships and it's something members have to accept or
leave) and there isn't really a choice that will appeal to the masses.

Dina




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Aug 18 22:05:36 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:05:36 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Found an Odd FLINT in OotP
References: <cg0hri+iakm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <033d01c4856f$a0f82ea0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Steve/b_boymn wrote:

<Funny, though, I read that paragraph many many
tmes, and this is the first time I noticed Snape's name.>

The Snape name refers to Snape's earlier visit when he was needling Sirius about being stuck there cleaning...or some such.  I know
the scene I just can't remember what he said exactly.

Saitaina
****
"...And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the term rescue to you. It's not to come and then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 22:55:19 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:55:19 -0000
Subject: On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <cg0hp4+4k5n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg0mon+ran4@eGroups.com>

Just want to make a few general comment to encourage new members to
the various Harry Potter for Grownups Groups.

First, don't be discouraged or get the idea that you are being picked
on by the Moderators and List Elves. I give you my absolute assurance
that everyone, even the best of posters, have had many posted sent
back when they first joined. 

I can't even begin to count how many I was rejected, and at the time I
felt very slighted. But in hindsight, my first post weren't that good.
I did everything wrong. I posted right away without observing for a
while. I posted things that I thought were brilliant discoveries like
the motto on the Mirror of Erised being ancient Aramaic for blah blah
blah whatever, when, as many oldies kindly and gently pointed out,
although I could almost see their eyes rolling, that it was simply
written backwards - erised = desire. And let's not forget that my
spelling and grammar were terrible. 

Of course, I swore they were all anally retentive fascist, but they
were kind and patient, and they held me to the standard, and
eventually I came around.

So, my point is don't take it personally. Don't think that you are the
only one. I assure you every single new member is going through the
same things you are. And, I want to remind you that even us 'oldies'
still get posts rejected, and/or receive warnings and howlers when we
get too carried away or start to get sloppy.

Also, many 'newbies' worry that what they are posting has already been
discussed. I'm here to assure you that YES it has already been
discussed, but we don't let that stop us from discussing it again. 

If you post a very well discussed point, others may give you a quick
answer or refer you back to a previous discussion. That is NOT a
rejection of your idea. Please re-read those old discussions, you
obviously have an interest or you wouldn't have posted on the subject,
reading those old posts will bring you up to speed with everyone else,
and will stimulate a hundred new thoughts and ideas on the subject.
You will be greatly rewarded for your effort, in that you will be able
to give more depth and thought to your original idea, and may even
discover a new angle (which happens all the time) on an old subject.

The Yahoo Groups Search feature; OK, we all agree is sucks, but it's
not entirely useless. If you have been around long enough that you've
found one or two old posters whose opinions you value, try adding
their username to a couple search terms you are interested it. That
will at least narrow the search down to someone's opinion you are
interested in. Example; in the search box put [ pippin_999 Snape
Vampire ] then keep hitting the [NEXT] button in the search results. 

Yahoo NOW only searches about 150 posts at a time, it used to search
about 500; so you have to hit the [NEXT] button many many times to
search back any length of time. 150 posts represents about one days
discussion, so I am REALLY serious when I say you have to hit the
[NEXT] search button many many times. I've on occassion seach back
through 10's of thousands of posts; imagine how many times I hit that
stupid button.

Another tip, if you are searching, to keep your search going and
prevent your having to start over at the beginning, if you see an
interesting link, right-click and open it in a new window, that way
you preserve your search page and when you are done reading the
interesting post, you can go back to your search window and keep
searching.

Another search tip, don't use the [PREVIOUS] button to search
backwards, instead, just use your browsers [BACK] button to go back to
page spans you have previously searched.

Your opinions and ideas are valued in the main group and in all the
sister groups, so if you really truly have an interest in discussing
these books, hang in there and keep trying; I absolutely guarantee it
will get better.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/b_boymn





From shawn_stang at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 15:39:37 2004
From: shawn_stang at yahoo.com (stellainspring)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:39:37 -0000
Subject: 6th book-new DDA teacher?
Message-ID: <cfvt7p+db22@eGroups.com>

I don't know if this has been discussed yet...

Last night I was listening to the end of HP&OP and I started to think 
about who is going to be the 1/2 blood prince, what is worse than 
death for Voldie and who is going to be the new DDA?  Then I started 
to think that it would make sense for the 1/2blood Prince to be the 
new DDA.  I know I had thought after the first time I read HP&OP that 
possibly Harry would become the DDA but know that I think of it, 
Harry needs to further his repitoire, don't you think?  And then I 
started to think about Godric Gryffindor possibly being the 1/2blood 
prince and the DDA for the 6th book.   It could work.

"stellainspring" 




From shawn_stang at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 17:57:25 2004
From: shawn_stang at yahoo.com (stellainspring)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:57:25 -0000
Subject: For those who got past the door (includes text)
In-Reply-To: <20040818022319.9589.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cg05a5+qmcf@eGroups.com>

> > dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> > Seems to me it must be Alberforth - Dumbledore's
> > brother! Finally, 
> > we will be introduced to him.

> Sara:
> I tend to agree with Aberforth, although I suppose it
> could end up being an as-yet-unknown Weasley relative
> (I'm going by the tawny hair). But it would make sense
> if it were Aberforth, especially since I think
> Dumbledore (and therefore his brother also) is the
> Heir of Gryffindor.


"He looked rather like an old Lion.  There were streaks of grey in 
his main of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish 
eyes behind a pair of wired rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, 
lopping grace even though he walked with a slight limp." 
I think that all the little bits of information that JKR has dropped 
all lead to Godric Gryffindor or his heir.
Why?

1)The Gryffindor mascot is a Lion. It represents Godric himself
2) Gryffindor = Courage = Lion
3) I have a strong suspsion that if Godric produced a Patronus it 
would be a Lion. 
4) his name itself is a play on the Griffin. Which is 1/2 eagle, 1/2 
lion. Which also could point to him being the 1/2 blood prince.

5) Aberforth can't be the one she's describing because she already 
described him in HPOP and "he was a grumpy looking old man w/ a great 
deal of long grey hair and a beard.  He was tall and thin and looked 
vaguely familiar to Harry"   because he saw him in the Order Picture

"stellainspring" 




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Aug 18 23:10:00 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:10:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Interesting discovery.....
In-Reply-To: <cg0for+pgeo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEEBDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Alora weighs in]:

| I think it is Neville.  Who would suspect bumbling, nervous Neville
| to become a teacher? ;)

[Lee]:
Why not?  At least he might be sensitive to the needs of the students. :-)

Besides, he's apparently good at Herbology...he'll probably start as an
assistant to Madam Sprout and go on from there.

Actually, makes a whole lot o' sense. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From shalimar07 at aol.com  Wed Aug 18 23:30:23 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:30:23 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Interesting discovery.....
Message-ID: <1df.28583a45.2e55408f@aol.com>

I don't think it will be Hermoine either...JK has said in her last interview 
*hinted* that Ron and Hermoine will end up together.  She said she has given 
numerous clues.

MumWeasley


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Aug 18 23:40:58 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <cg0mon+ran4@eGroups.com>
References: <cg0hp4+4k5n@eGroups.com> <cg0mon+ran4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1195.4.47.27.247.1092872458.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Steve said:

> First, don't be discouraged or get the idea that you are being picked
> on by the Moderators and List Elves. I give you my absolute assurance

Oh, I don't consider it personal--I like some of the list elves--however,
I don't think it fair.  Then again, many things aren't fair in life.


> felt very slighted. But in hindsight, my first post weren't that good.
> I did everything wrong. I posted right away without observing for a
> while. I posted things that I thought were brilliant discoveries like

Okay.  Read my next quoted comment.

> Also, many 'newbies' worry that what they are posting has already been
> discussed. I'm here to assure you that YES it has already been
> discussed, but we don't let that stop us from discussing it again.

Please define 'us'?


> You will be greatly rewarded for your effort, in that you will be able
> to give more depth and thought to your original idea, and may even
> discover a new angle (which happens all the time) on an old subject.

So, all the fuss I caught about how the main list is partly deteriorating
because of the redundancy of topics is hot air out of folks?


> Your opinions and ideas are valued in the main group and in all the
> sister groups, so if you really truly have an interest in discussing
> these books, hang in there and keep trying; I absolutely guarantee it
> will get better.

I'm curious... You're probably not on moderation--I could load up Eudora
and look at your header to see if a mod approved it or not but my computer
is low on memory resources now.  If you post a reply to a thread, it hits
the list, and a half hour later another message pertaining to the same
thread just hits the list and you want to reply to this message on-list,
will you be penalized for the second reply and placed back on moderation? 
I could probably compare your posts but I'm asking you instead.

I know a person under the moderation queue would be penalized and kept
under moderation because they can't predict any messages *after* they've
sent their reply.

I think the OTChatter group can offer a more comfortable area, unless the
rules are altered to be more strict, while the main HPFGU group will
always be a 'big brother is monitoring you - take it or leave it'.

I repeat - I do *not* care about altering the main list.  I don't
necessarily agree with the list rules but I don't care about altering
them.

I'm arguing there be a HPFGU 'lobby area' where folks can talk on or
off-topic and anywhere in between.  Take, for example, conventions have
specific areas for topic panels and 'down' areas (e.g. a lobby area) for
folks to chat together about what they heard/discussed during the panels
without a moderator monitoring them, so there's more spontaneity and
freedom to talk about whatever... or mentally prep them for the next
panel.  The OTChatter could be this list where it really doesn't matter
what the heck we're talking about.

While a chatroom generally doesn't keep transcripts for a person to reply
minutes/hours/days later, unlike a mailing list.

Dina




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Aug 18 23:46:21 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:46:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Found an Odd FLINT in OotP
In-Reply-To: <033d01c4856f$a0f82ea0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEEBDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Saitaina wrote]:

| The Snape name refers to Snape's earlier visit when he was
| needling Sirius about being stuck there cleaning...or some such.  I know
| the scene I just can't remember what he said exactly.

[Lee]:

The scene is in the kitchen just before Gred and Forge send the flying stew,
butter beer, bread and knife.  Sirius is talking to Harry and mentions that
he has to listen to how Snape goes out and risks his life while Sirius sits
back in comfort and has to clean up, or something along those lines.  We
don't actually hear Snape speaking, just Sirius's reporting.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Who is sitting on the back steps and keeps losing her wireless connection
for some reason...)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Aug 19 00:20:22 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:20:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Interesting discovery.....
In-Reply-To: <1df.28583a45.2e55408f@aol.com>
References: <1df.28583a45.2e55408f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1092874827.DDDFD68@w5.dngr.org>


On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 7:30pm, shalimar07 at aol.com wrote:
> I don't think it will be Hermoine either...JK has said in her last 
> interview
*hinted* that Ron and Hermoine will end up together.? She said she has 
given
numerous clues.


No, she didn't say that. Someone asked if they would get together ("end 
up" was never stated) and she said she'd given clues to that. 
Ron/Hermione shippers read it as you do, Harry/Hermione shippers read it 
as Ron is crushing on Hermione and she's not interested and Knight2King 
supporters read it that the clues point to Ron being Dumbledore.

It's all open to interpritation, isn't it?

Heidi


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Aug 19 00:59:49 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:59:49 -0000
Subject: Outta luck here
In-Reply-To: <1176.4.12.232.36.1092866490.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cg0u25+lsn0@eGroups.com>

Dina wrote:

> My input doesn't really amount to much when it's one
> person to how many others?

That's not true.  Your input is significant.  Furthermore, it is not 
necessarily opposed by that of everyone else.

  These are large lists.  What if I said I
> didn't care for moderating members who have shown they aren't 
spammers?

> My opinion would mean jacksquat even on the feedback list--it's 
like folks
> sending petitions for changes in GOF when it's already being 
filmed.  The
> rules are *already* in place: A person has to *repeatedly* 
demonstrate
> they can follow the strict rules before they can be released off
> moderation but they will always be under the threat of being placed 
back
> on moderation.

Yes, but that doesn't mean your opinion is worth jacksquat.

David




From fotoger1 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 01:06:32 2004
From: fotoger1 at hotmail.com (Tory Santillie)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:06:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Godric as HBP(was: For those who got past the door)
Message-ID: <BAY2-F3EpxSfr2nVmrk00046b01@hotmail.com>

This is my first post to this list and I am a little nervous about it given 
all the back and forth on appropriateness, but what the heck.  If I mess up, 
come on and get me.;-)  I must say, I do appreciate the flow on this list 
more than the main list.  There was always too much going on, too many 
threads to follow.  I don't have time to research for hours and back read 
for days.  If I did, however, I might not have to ask this question.

stellainspring said:

>think that all the little bits of information that JKR has dropped
>all lead to Godric Gryffindor or his heir.
>Why?
>
>1)The Gryffindor mascot is a Lion. It represents Godric himself
>2) Gryffindor = Courage = Lion
>3) I have a strong suspsion that if Godric produced a Patronus it
>would be a Lion.
>4) his name itself is a play on the Griffin. Which is 1/2 eagle, 1/2
>lion. Which also could point to him being the 1/2 blood prince.
>
>5) Aberforth can't be the one she's describing because she already
>described him in HPOP and "he was a grumpy looking old man w/ a great
>deal of long grey hair and a beard.  He was tall and thin and looked
>vaguely familiar to Harry"   because he saw him in the Order Picture

Where is it said for a fact that this "grumpy old man" so familiar to Harry 
is Aberforth?

I like your theory about Godric, especially point #4; however, I think I 
read somewhere that JKR dismisses Godric coming back as he is long dead.  I 
believe her comment was directed to the connection between Godric Hollow, 
the Potter family, etc. way before the announcement of the Half-Blood Prince 
title.  I could be mistaken.  As for his heir, I am for it.  Someone on this 
list (I think--too many lists) said Albus is Godric's heir.  Is this a 
theory or a fact that I missed?  If true, Aberforth could very well be the 
HBP or Albus Dumbledore himself could let us into his sorted history. ;-)

Tory Santillie






From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 01:22:05 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:22:05 -0000
Subject: On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <1195.4.47.27.247.1092872458.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cg0vbt+ln7o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <redina at s...> wrote:
> Steve said:
> 
> > (I) felt very slighted. But in hindsight, my first post weren't
> > that good. ...
> > I'm here to assure you that YES it has already been discussed, 
> > but we don't let that stop us from discussing it again.

> Dina asks:
> 
> Please define 'us'?
> 


B_Boymn replies:

'Us' meaning the members of the groups of which you are one.

> Dina continues:
> 
> I'm curious... You're probably not on moderation--

B-Boymn responses:

Nope, I'm not, although I have been asked. I'm just a guy who has been
around for years, and has discussed and RE-discussed the same topics
many times.


> Dina adds:
> 
> If you post a reply to a thread, it hits the list, and a half hour 
> later another message pertaining to the same thread just hits the 
> list and you want to reply to this message on-list, will you be 
> penalized for the second reply and placed back on moderation? 

B_Boymn:

I understand what you mean, if a person on moderated status posts,
that post is delayed while it is reviewed. It's hard to have a
conversation, when your words enter the conversation a day late. But
that is something every single person has had to go through. And,
rejection or being placed on moderated status is not about quantity,
it's about form, size (to some extent) and substance.

You can see how unsubstantial, as well as incorrect, the example I
gave about myself was (Mirror of Erised). 

Form is a big factor, and as big a pain as it is, it does help insure
the quality and readability of the posts. This is a group for
'grownups' from all over the world, and it was created because the
form and substance of most groups, which are typically populated by
younger people, tended to be so low that a serious intelligent
discussion could scarcely be held. The groups were filled with
undecipherable netspeak, teen slang, and 'he's sooooo cute' and 'you
suck' posts. 

These groups have high standards, that comes with membership, and
annoying as it is, in the long run, you will be glad it's there. I
gave you examples about how I riled against the Mods for being to
strict and uptight, but in the end, I understood it was for my own
good and for the good of the group.  

Before moving back to your main point, let me say the I've had my
share of Howlers, and I've been returned to moderated status, and I
have been threatened with moderated status, I've had posts reject for
many assorted reasons over a long span of time. It comes with the
territory, and I will venture a guess that all long term members will
tell a story that mirrors mine.


Moving back to the point of the time delay. Please read posts by
Catlady (Rita Prince Winston). At one time she was a prolific poster,
but her life is too demanding now, so she reads the group and gathers
a post here and there that she wants to respond to, and at the end of
the week or whenever the mood strikes her, she post half a dozen
replies at once. Her ideas and opinions are valued and responded to (I
never miss one of her posts). The time delay doesn't hold back or
diminish the value of her responses nor does it prevent anyone from
responding to her.

As long as we are on the subject of time delays, I frequently find
that the post rate is so high, that two or three more posts have been
made in a thread while I am in the process of typing my response. So,
to some extent, even off moderated status you are still at the mercy
of time and volume.

> Dina continues
> 
> I think the OTChatter group can offer a more comfortable area, 
> unless the rules are altered to be more strict, while the main HPFGU
> group will always be a 'big brother is monitoring you - take it or 
> leave it'.

B_Boymn:

Believe it or not, big brother is watching here too, and is holding
you to the same standards of form, but since the rules are different,
this isn't pure canon with high volume, this is low volume with nearly
any topic goes, fewer posts are rejected. We've discussed dieting
tips, party decorations, recipes, had a contest using one of Shaun's
primary school photos, you name it.

But when the subject drifts to the point where it serves the greatest
good in one of the other groups, it's moved. Threads that drift and
stay off-topic are move here from the main group. Threads here that
drift very much on topic are moved to the main group. Recently, a
general complaint became so specific that we were all best served by
moving it to the Feedback group where it could be dealt with in a
focused way and where it would reach the most significant ears or eyes
as the case may be. 

In closing, I want to make one small point clear, I wasn't necessarily
addressing your concerns specifically so much as making a statement to
any and all new comers that the rules might be strict, but we all
endured them, and we all survived them, and in the end, we all
(mostly) appreciate them.

And, I agree, the Off-Topic group is a wonderfully comfortable and 
friendly place to talk about anything and everything including Harry
Potter.

Just trying to offer some encouragement.

Steve/B_Boymn





From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 01:56:20 2004
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:56:20 -0000
Subject: JKR's tea cup
In-Reply-To: <cg03e6+imag@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg11c4+1255@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> Has anyone who knows how to read tea leaves read the ones in JKR's 
> cup on her website?  I have no clue, but I was wondering if this 
may 
> be some way of foreshadowing.  She is quite sly and subtle, you 
know.
> 
> Julie

While I don't know how to read tea leaves, I think the one's in the 
cup look like a cresent. There are several more cresent shapes all 
across JKR's site.  As you said, "she is quite sly and subtle", and I 
think there is nothing random about the tea leaves, the tea "stains" 
or the numerous gum wrappers strewn across the desk.  Maybe by the 
end of Book 7 we will understand their meaning.

Cyndi, who is anxiously awaiting Book 6




From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Aug 19 02:01:39 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:01:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <cg0vbt+ln7o@eGroups.com>
References: <1195.4.47.27.247.1092872458.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cg0vbt+ln7o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1298.4.47.27.247.1092880899.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Steve said:

> 'Us' meaning the members of the groups of which you are one.

Ah, I was wondering which group you were discussing exactly because, at
one moment, you're criticizing when you were a newbie, then encouraging
other newbies to follow the same path for the same possible put-down?

Please excuse my wondering at the contradiction of this.


> These groups have high standards, that comes with membership, and
> annoying as it is, in the long run, you will be glad it's there. I

Actually, I'm really not that glad.  I just would like to find a list
where I can alter between discussing Harry Potter (movie, books, sites)
and other topics without wading through teen/netspeak.


> Believe it or not, big brother is watching here too, and is holding

I believe it or mods wouldn't have come on this list at all to relocate
the feedback.

Apparently, I'm mistaken about this list then.

My question then is:

Where is there a mailing list that I can pull ideas off HPFGU, talk about
them without fear of moderation (Ex: if I start about Petunia and then
divert to HBO's Six Feet Under in the same message - those that watch SFU
might get the joke), bring up the HP movies or websites, or talk about
something completely irrelevant... and not deal with tweens and their
teenspeak or homophobia?

I'll gladly relocate.

Dina





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Thu Aug 19 02:13:10 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:13:10 EDT
Subject: HEIDI - TLC
Message-ID: <cd.1444e179.2e5566b6@aol.com>

Hello Heidi .... I love the TLC site.  It was one of the first sites I 
discovered when I "googled" Harry Potter about a year ago.  :)  I'm a news-hound (my 
background is primarily journalism) and the leaky cauldron is a great source 
for HP info.  Just wanted let you know.
Luna


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug 19 02:53:04 2004
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:53:04 -0000
Subject: Interesting discovery.....
In-Reply-To: <1092874827.DDDFD68@w5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <cg14mh+dn5g@eGroups.com>

 
> No, she didn't say that. Someone asked if they would get together 
("end 
> up" was never stated) and she said she'd given clues to that. 
> Ron/Hermione shippers read it as you do, Harry/Hermione shippers 
read it 
> as Ron is crushing on Hermione and she's not interested and 
Knight2King 
> supporters read it that the clues point to Ron being Dumbledore.
> 
> It's all open to interpritation, isn't it?
> 
> Heidi

Well, I'm a firm R/Hr shipper and was surprised when I joined the 
lists that there were H/Hr shippers out there. I ask my daughter 
what she thought, trying to get a younger opinion, and she 
immediately said R/Hr. Not getting in any shipper wars though 
because mine is, other than R/Hr, Snape/Lupin.

Anyway, what I really wanted to know was if someone could point me 
to where I can find the Ron is Dumbledore info. I'm really curious 
how this thought has come about.

Casey




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 19 03:30:49 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:30:49 -0000
Subject: Found an Odd FLINT in OotP
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEEBDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cg16t9+2b1h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [Saitaina wrote]:
> 
> | The Snape name refers to Snape's earlier visit when he was
> | needling Sirius about being stuck there cleaning...or some such.  
I know
> | the scene I just can't remember what he said exactly.
> 
> [Lee]:
> 
> The scene is in the kitchen just before Gred and Forge send the 
flying stew,
> butter beer, bread and knife.  Sirius is talking to Harry and 
mentions that
> he has to listen to how Snape goes out and risks his life while 
Sirius sits
> back in comfort and has to clean up, or something along those 
lines.  We
> don't actually hear Snape speaking, just Sirius's reporting.
> 

>From Chap. 5 of OOP -- 

There was something about the slightly flattened tone of voice in 
which Sirius uttered Dumbledore's name that told Harry that Sirius, 
too, was not very happy with the Headmaster. Harry felt a sudden 
upsurge of affection for his godfather.

At least you've known what's been going on,' he said bracingly.

'Oh yeah,' said Sirius sarcastically. 'Listening to Snape's reports, 
having to take all his snide hints that he's out there risking his 
life while I'm sat on my backside here having a nice comfortable 
time
 asking me how the cleanings going -'

'What cleaning?' asked Harry.

'Trying to make this place fit for human habitation,' said Sirius, 
waving a hand around the dismal kitchen. 'No one's lived here for ten 
years, not since my dear mother died, unless you count her old house-
elf, and he's gone round the twist - hasn't cleaned anything in ages.'


  - said CMC helpfully







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 19 03:44:31 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:44:31 -0000
Subject: Harry's Christening
Message-ID: <cg17mv+o191@eGroups.com>

>From JKR's Q & A in Edinburgh:

"Does Harry have a godmother? If so, will she make an appearance in 
future books?"

"No, he doesn't. I have thought this through. If Sirius had married
 
Sirius was too busy being a big rebel to get married. When Harry was 
born, it was at the very height of Voldemort fever last time so his 
christening was a very hurried, quiet affair with just Sirius, just 
the best friend. At that point it looked as if the Potters would have 
to go into hiding so obviously they could not do the big christening 
thing and invite lots of people. Sirius is the only one, 
unfortunately." 

In my dictionaries 'christening" is defined as a 'baptism', which in 
the USA these days is a ceremony that would only be conducted if the 
family had some affiliation with a Christian church (however 
nominal). Does the same thing hold true in Britain? Might a British 
family circa 1980 have held a "christening" without any affiliation, 
involvement or belief in a church?

  - CMC








From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Thu Aug 19 03:46:21 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:46:21 -0000
Subject: On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <1195.4.47.27.247.1092872458.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cg17qd+pbq9@eGroups.com>

First, I'd like to thank Steve for his excellent posts; I don't think 
it could be stated any better, so thank you, Steve!

> Steve said:
> > Also, many 'newbies' worry that what they are posting has already 
> > been discussed. I'm here to assure you that YES it has already 
> > been discussed, but we don't let that stop us from discussing it 
> > again. >>>

Heh; I've told many people this very same thing.
 
Steve:
> > You will be greatly rewarded for your effort, in that you will be 
> > able to give more depth and thought to your original idea, and 
> > may even discover a new angle (which happens all the time) on an 
> > old subject.

Dina:
> So, all the fuss I caught about how the main list is partly 
> deteriorating because of the redundancy of topics is hot air out of 
> folks?

Eh.  Like others have said, there've been those complaints since the 
list's earliest days.  I've complained about it a bit myself in the 
past (relates to why "Dumbledore's gleam" became such a joke, not 
only here, but all 'round the fandom), which I'm now not very proud 
of, I admit.

But on the other hand, if we ruled that no topic could be re-
discussed (sounds completely ludicrous, doesn't it?) well, heck, we 
may as well close the list now.

So, yeah, while it can get tiresome to see a topic rehashed for the 
umpteenth time, there are always going to be new members to the group 
who've not yet had the chance to discuss that topic and are eager to 
do so.  It comes down to reading the threads you like and skipping 
what you don't.
 
Dina:
> I'm curious... You're probably not on moderation-- <snip>  If you 
> post a reply to a thread, it hits the list, and a half hour later 
> another message pertaining to the same thread just hits the list 
> and you want to reply to this message on-list, will you be 
> penalized for the second reply and placed back on moderation? >>>

No, Steve's no longer on moderated status, and no, no one would be 
placed back on moderation for what you describe.  It would have to be 
seriously rampant (post after post after post coming fast on the 
heels of each other all on the same thread *and* if the person did 
this very often, for example), and we'd contact this person first 
asking them to combine more.

Dina:
> I know a person under the moderation queue would be penalized and 
> kept under moderation because they can't predict any messages 
> *after* they've sent their reply.

Mm, not exactly, but I take your point; of course no one is penalized 
for not being able to predict future messages.  My method of handling 
this when I come across this situation in pendings is to combine the 
posts myself, and contact the list member explaining why.  If they 
have two posts on the same thread in pending, but those posts are an 
hour apart, of course I don't expect the person to hold off making 
their posts until the end of the day so they can combine everything, 
or anything of the sort.  But, if it's something I can easily do, I 
will, and I'll explain to them what I've done and why; it's 
absolutely not anything negative against them, though.

Particularly when there're some hot topics of discussion -- the 
threads are moving fast, and people are eager to discuss.  I tend to 
send through far more posts than I reject (though I typically will 
edit, mainly to snip down quoted material, add/fix attributions, or 
fix spelling/typos/punctuation stuff, rearrange top-posted 
messages).  Often, because one topic has diverged in such various 
directions, combining is just not appropriate.
 
And, seeing that both yourself and Steve have posted further on this 
topic since I started writing this reply <g>, I'll add in some of the 
latest comments:

Steve:
> I frequently find that the post rate is so high, that two or three 
> more posts have been made in a thread while I am in the process of 
> typing my response. So, to some extent, even off moderated status 
> you are still at the mercy of time and volume.

Yep, extremely true; this happens to us all.

Dina:
> I think the OTChatter group can offer a more comfortable area, 
> unless the rules are altered to be more strict, while the main 
> HPFGU group will always be a 'big brother is monitoring you - take 
> it or leave it'.

Mm. Well, we've never had a rule that canon discussions *can't* 
happen on OTC; I definitely appreciate the point that OTC 
is 'quieter' and thus more comfortable for folks, so I can feel a 
little more easygoing about it right now while main is so busy. But,  
overall, canon discussions really should happen on main (which, if 
history holds true, should be slowing down a fair bit in the next few 
weeks).

I will say however that there's been some discussion about formatting 
problems here -- people top-posting, not snipping, not proofreading 
for spelling / typos / punctuation / capitalization, etc., and this 
*is* something we'd like to see upheld here as it is on main. (Goes 
for the Movie, list, too.) I see Steve has commented on this, as well:

Steve:
> Believe it or not, big brother is watching here too, and is holding
> you to the same standards of form, but since the rules are 
> different, this isn't pure canon with high volume, this is low 
> volume with nearly any topic goes, fewer posts are rejected.

Yes, and I will repeat that the standards we have for the main list 
are the standards we'd like to be followed here (and on Movie), too, 
but exactly -- this list and the Movie list are slower than main, so 
much more work is required to keep up the standards on the main list.

For this, it feels as though we're letting down the folks on this 
list and the Movie list who would like the formatting quality to be 
better on both. I was actually thinking last night about bringing up 
this very topic on Feedback, so I would be very appreciative if 
anyone there would like to discuss this issue.

Dina:
> I believe it or mods wouldn't have come on this list at all to 
> relocate the feedback.
>
> Apparently, I'm mistaken about this list then.

Well ... of *course* we do.  Though the levels of strictness vary, 
there is a form of moderation / monitoring on all the HPfGU groups.
 
Dina:
> I repeat - I do *not* care about altering the main list.  I don't
> necessarily agree with the list rules but I don't care about 
> altering them.

Understood.
 
Dina:
> I'm arguing there be a HPFGU 'lobby area' where folks can talk on or
> off-topic and anywhere in between.  <snip> The OTChatter could be 
> this list where it really doesn't matter what the heck we're 
> talking about.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, and I guess that's sort of 
what my thinking is up above.  At the same time, a lot of people here 
would probably prefer OTC *not* be the 'lobby area' for main list 
discussions, that it stay the relaxed off-topic chitchat list that 
it's always been.
 
Dina:
> My question then is:
>
> Where is there a mailing list that I can pull ideas off HPFGU, talk 
> about them without fear of moderation (Ex: if I start about Petunia 
> and then divert to HBO's Six Feet Under in the same message - those 
> that watch SFU might get the joke), bring up the HP movies or 
> websites, or talk about something completely irrelevant... and not 
> deal with tweens and their teenspeak or homophobia?

Well, first I'll say that I'd really like to see your post re Petunia 
and SFU (I'm a fan, though I missed last week's ep, grr, <g>), but as 
for other groups, there are plenty out there all right, and I'd not 
be surprised if you've already been offlisted with invitations. ;->

Here are a bunch of links to other HP groups; I certainly can't speak 
to topicality / moderation / ages of list members, etc., but I'd say 
it's definitely worth checking them out.  Some of these are just 
groups I've heard of, some are from the "Harry Potter Web Sites and 
Yahoo groups" folder in the Links section on the main list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Harry_PotterBookDiscussionForAdults/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Harry_Potter_for_Grownups/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ISPOL-HarryPotterObsessed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AdultHPFanatics/
http://www.harrypotter-boards.com 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotterforseekers/ 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hogwarts_common_room/
http://www.pottertalk.com
http://hp4grownups.proboards23.com 
http://www.thesnitch.net/forums/ 
http://groups.msn.com/theinsaneworldofharrypotter 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theforbiddenforrest/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HogwartsAdultSchool2/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotteranonymous/

And finally, to reiterate what Eloise said, discussions such as this 
are precisely the reason the Feedback list was created in the first 
place.  Of course no one *has* to join that group, but once again I 
will state that Feedback is the appropriate list for discussions of 
policy, so let's please move this discussion there.

--Kelley




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 19 03:47:02 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:47:02 -0000
Subject: Interesting discovery.....
In-Reply-To: <cg14mh+dn5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg17rm+pjvu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Casey" <caseylane at w...> 
wrote:
>  
 
> Well, I'm a firm R/Hr shipper and was surprised when I joined the 
> lists that there were H/Hr shippers out there. I ask my daughter 
> what she thought, trying to get a younger opinion, and she 
> immediately said R/Hr. Not getting in any shipper wars though 
> because mine is, other than R/Hr, Snape/Lupin.
> 
> Anyway, what I really wanted to know was if someone could point me 
> to where I can find the Ron is Dumbledore info. I'm really curious 
> how this thought has come about.
> 

Here's some concise exposition:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/53369

   - CMC (who thinks that Ron is Ron and Dumbledore is Dumbledore)




From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug 19 03:58:51 2004
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:58:51 -0000
Subject: Interesting discovery.....
In-Reply-To: <cg17rm+pjvu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg18hr+80qv@eGroups.com>

> 
> Here's some concise exposition:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/53369
> 
>    - CMC (who thinks that Ron is Ron and Dumbledore is Dumbledore)

Thanks, I'll read it, but I have to say that, as for now, I agree 
with you.

Casey





From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 05:45:22 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:45:22 -0000
Subject: Found an Odd FLINT in OotP
In-Reply-To: <cg16t9+2b1h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg1epi+lgph@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius"
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
> Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> > [Saitaina wrote]:
> > 
> > | The Snape name refers to Snape's earlier visit when he was
> > | needling Sirius about being stuck there cleaning...or some such.  
> I know
> > | the scene I just can't remember what he said exactly.


> > [Lee]:
> > 
> > The scene is in the kitchen just before Gred and Forge send the 
> > flying stew, butter beer, bread and knife.  Sirius is talking to 
> > Harry and mentions that he has to listen to how Snape goes out and
> > risks his life while Sirius sits back in comfort and has to clean 
> > up, or something along those lines.  We don't actually hear Snape 
> > speaking, just Sirius's reporting.
> > 

 
> From Chap. 5 of OOP -- 
> 
> ...edited quote...
> 
> 'What cleaning?' asked Harry.
> 
> 'Trying to make this place fit for human habitation,' said Sirius, 
> waving a hand around the dismal kitchen. 'No one's lived here for 
> ten years, not since my dear mother died, unless you count her old 
> house-elf, and he's gone round the twist - hasn't cleaned anything 
> in ages.'
> 
> 
>   - said CMC helpfully


B_Boymn:

OK, I see the quote, and I see the connection to Snape, but it is a
very very thin connection. I still think 'Sirius' should occur in
place of 'Snape' in the original quote I commented on. 

Like I said, it may not be a flint, I just found it odd.

Steve/b_boymn





From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 06:08:59 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:08:59 -0000
Subject: On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <1298.4.47.27.247.1092880899.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cg1g5r+hapf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <redina at s...> wrote:
> Steve said:
> 
> > 'Us' meaning the members of the groups of which you are one.


> Dina replied:
>
> Ah, I was wondering which group you were discussing exactly because,
> at one moment, you're criticizing when you were a newbie, then 
> encouraging other newbies to follow the same path for the same 
> possible put-down?
> 
> Please excuse my wondering at the contradiction of this.
> 
> 

B_Boymn now adds:

Not quite. I'm simply saying that the experience of most discouraged
newcomers is not unique, all went through it, we all survived it. When
a newbie gets a post rejected, or has to suffer through moderation,
that's not directed at them personally, it a common experience shared
by each and every member of the groups.

I'm just trying to encourage anyone who is new to any of the
'Grownups' groups and feeling overwhelmed or under appreciated.
Everyone who is willing to hang in there, and learn and meet the basic
standards of form will eventually be rewarded by an enjoyable experience.

As to which group I was referring to when I said 'US', I was generally
referring to all the 'Grownups' groups, but more so to the main groups
as that is where the highest volume, strictest standards, and
narrowest rules exits. 

I was also trying to emphasize that those rules must exits to keep the
post quality high, and to prevent the group from descending into an
endless flow of 'he's sooo cute', 'you suck', rudeness, flame wars,
and pointless rambling. 

> > B_Boymn orginially said:
> > 
> > These groups have high standards, that comes with membership, and
> > annoying as it is, in the long run, you will be glad it's there. I


> Dina responds:
> 
> Actually, I'm really not that glad.  I just would like to find a 
> list where I can alter between discussing Harry Potter (movie, 
> books, sites) and other topics without wading through teen/netspeak.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> My question then is:
> 
> Where is there a mailing list that I can pull ideas off HPFGU, talk 
> about them without fear of moderation ..., bring up the HP movies or
> websites, or talk about something completely irrelevant... and not 
> deal with tweens and their teenspeak or homophobia?
> 
> I'll gladly relocate.
> 
> Dina

B_Boymn:

Indeed that is the question, and if you find this magical fantastic
group and it is able to maintain order and focus, and not descend into
chaos, please let us know and we will all join.

But until then, we have this somewhat open group were nearly anything
goes as long as it stays within very wide boundaries.

There are thousands of HP groups out there, discussion occur at The
Leaky Cauldron, on Mugglenet, as well as others, and the standard
there are very high. Many people here also post there, and
occassionally discussions jump groups because of it.

In closing, let me say that my only purpose is to give Newbies insight
into what we all went through in the beginning, and hopefully, that
will encourage them to stay with the groups and eventually become old
and familar contributing members.

I offer, hopefully, encouragement, if you can't find encouragement in
my words then I am sorry for not having done better, but perhaps there
are some others who will feel supported by seeing that our beginnings
here are an experience shared by every member; shared in both the joys
and the frustrations.

Just a thought.

Steve/B_Boymn





From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Aug 19 06:45:35 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:45:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <cg1g5r+hapf@eGroups.com>
References: <1298.4.47.27.247.1092880899.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cg1g5r+hapf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2272.4.47.27.247.1092897935.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Steve said:

> Not quite. I'm simply saying that the experience of most discouraged
> newcomers is not unique, all went through it, we all survived it. When

And this is what I find disappointing.  There is no respite and the threat
of always being placed under moderation is there if you veer off-topic...
even on OTChatter, which would be to go on-topic for other lists.

I was so *disappointed* when the mods stepped in here to redirect feedback
elsewhere.


> I was also trying to emphasize that those rules must exits to keep the
> post quality high, and to prevent the group from descending into an
> endless flow of 'he's sooo cute', 'you suck', rudeness, flame wars,
> and pointless rambling.

I'm a rambler. :-(  This saddens me very much.  By your definition, I'm a
low quality poster.  Although, I've suspected as much for a long time.


> Indeed that is the question, and if you find this magical fantastic
> group and it is able to maintain order and focus, and not descend into
> chaos, please let us know and we will all join.

I don't mind chaos but I get annoyed by incoherent teenspeak--I've spent
most of my life trying to decipher what my mom is saying and it gets old
after a couple decades.  Plus, there's always a killfile.  God knows I'm
probably on a few (understatement) of those.  I know LOTRGossip at Y!Groups
has a separate unsupervised where folks can go off-topic or on-topic or
badmouth each other (often grown women are doing this) if need be and I
appreciate such an option when opinions get heated.


> There are thousands of HP groups out there, discussion occur at The
> Leaky Cauldron, on Mugglenet, as well as others, and the standard

Err, I mentioned mailing list, not forum.  I highly *dislike* forums only
slightly less than being placed on moderated.  Not even going into my
rants on LJ.


> In closing, let me say that my only purpose is to give Newbies insight
> into what we all went through in the beginning, and hopefully, that

And continue to be punished with, even when you past newbie stage.


> I offer, hopefully, encouragement, if you can't find encouragement in
> my words then I am sorry for not having done better, but perhaps there
> are some others who will feel supported by seeing that our beginnings
> here are an experience shared by every member; shared in both the joys
> and the frustrations.

I do appreciate your comments but they only inspire disappointment. 
Sorry.  Damn, I actually started crying... No, it wasn't just this. 
Bloody hell, this does nothing for my complexion, and yes, I am that vain.
{g}

Dina




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 07:06:55 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:06:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Interesting discovery.....
In-Reply-To: <cg18hr+80qv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040819070655.17952.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Alora.  Neville will be the one to be a professor.  I think the epic battle during the 7th book will take place at Hogwarts.  (Where else?)  In that battle Sprout will die and Neville will take her place the following September, much to Snape's displeasure (though I'm not sure he'll survive).
 
Also, I agree with CMC.  Ron is Ron and D is D.  Time Turners should never come to play in the story again.  Ever.  Or I'll be burning some books.
 
 

		
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 07:34:47 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:34:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Godric as HBP(was: For those who got past the door)
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F3EpxSfr2nVmrk00046b01@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040819073447.41472.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>

Tory Santillie <fotoger1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
This is my first post to this list and I am a little nervous about it given all the back and forth on appropriateness, but what the heck.  If I mess up,
come on and get me.;-)  I must say, I do appreciate the flow on this list more than the main list.  There was always too much going on, too many threads to follow.  I don't have time to research for hours and back read for days.  If I did, however, I might not have to ask this question.
<snip>
Where is it said for a fact that this "grumpy old man" so familiar to Harry is Aberforth?

Kemper's answer:

JKR said on Sunday during her Q&A/reading that the bartender at the Hogs Head was Aberforth.  For the complete transcript of that reading you can go to her website www.jkrowling.com or at the Leaky Cauldren.


		
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From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 08:35:40 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:35:40 -0000
Subject: Appropriate disscussion for this list from a posting newbie
Message-ID: <cg1oos+853l@eGroups.com>

It's not quite eight thirty in the morning here and I've got up to 
find Dina, Steve, Dave and Kelley have been having what reads as 
quite a heated discussion on list content.

Dina, how are you feeling? You mentioned feeling rough at one point.
I do like your idea of using OT chatter to refine theories and float 
ideas. If you ever do come across a smaller group with fewer posting 
rules I'd really appreciate a link for it.

Kelley, thank-you too. I will be investigating the suggestions you 
made as and when I get time. I will also contribute to the Feedback 
list when I've read the last few posts and got a feel for what is 
going on over there. I joined it last night when Dave posted that 
he'd raised some of the issues that had come up it OT Chatter over 
there. (Thanks to Dave for noticing us floundering newbies, I am 
certainly interested in what you have had to say and will make a 
point of reading it later.)

Steve, you had several words of encouragement for newbies and 
suggested that the rules were an effective way of maintaining 
quality of discussion. This was very kind of you, thank-you.
You do however, seem to assume that we are all, as adults, seeking 
great thought and insight into Harry Potter.
I can't say that this is true for me. I enjoy the series enourmously 
and like to consider it's progress as a way of keeping my brain 
active. (I'm an at-home mum:)
I would say that it has not yet taken over my thought processes. 
(I'm glad it has yours, the Lexicon is wonderful by the way, and 
congratulations on being JKR's latest fansite winner.)
I can normally only manage a sentence or two of Harry Potter thought 
at a time. I also find a lot of my ideas are quite difficult to 
defend in the style of a debate because they are based on personal 
experience and view of the characters. I love them becuase I've 
known people who resemble most of them. Jim Ferer made a suggestion 
some months ago on the main list that we could try to predict 
further actions of the characters using our understanding of them 
and their past behaviour. Terrific idea Jim and I'm sorry I didn't 
reply. Perhaps I will someday.
IMHO the posts on the main list are certainly of a high quality and 
I appreciate it. I don't aspire to write them however.
I would like to make a suggestion. Next time there is a juicy bit of 
news released how would people feel about announcing on list that we 
should meet in the chat room? I love sunday chat because 
contributing in half-formed thoughts is acceptable and feedback is 
instant. We could then pick over the transcrips to form coherent 
posts. It's just a thought:)
I appologise for shouting again but:
OMG, YOU DON'T THINK SHE RUSHED TO GET THE TRANSCRIPT OF HER Q AND A 
IN EDINBURGH OUT *BECAUSE* WE WERE CHATTING THAT NIGHT DO YOU?

Ooops. I slipped into squeeing mode. I appologise.

Sam.
(Who doubts that she will write a post of this length again because 
in the course of doing so her two-year-old has seen more television 
that I consider healthy and I have had to type with one hand stuck 
up a furry, green crocodile. If anyone is interested I would also 
like to announce that Hermione took five steps yesterday, she's not 
yet one:)





From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Thu Aug 19 10:58:18 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:58:18 -0000
Subject: Harry's Christening
In-Reply-To: <cg17mv+o191@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg214a+lehp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" <
coriolan at w...> wrote:
> From JKR's Q & A in Edinburgh:
> 
> 
> In my dictionaries 'christening" is defined as a 'baptism', which in 
> the USA these days is a ceremony that would only be conducted if the 
> family had some affiliation with a Christian church (however 
> nominal). Does the same thing hold true in Britain? Might a British 
> family circa 1980 have held a "christening" without any affiliation, 
> involvement or belief in a church?
> 
>   - CMC

HumanTupperware here:

I'm from australia, which has heavy British roots, and though a Christening or 
Baptism (same thing)  definately originated under Christian or mostly Catholic 
rule, the ritual itself has changed over the years.... 

now parents tend to choose so called "GODparents" for thier children mainly 
to determine who will take over the care of thier children if something 
happens to the parents. This procedure is not necessarily accompanied by 
the traditional Catholic ritual of inducting a new baby into the faith by pouring 
holy water over it's head, declaring it as a child of God, stating it's name to the 
congregation, and taking a vow from the "GODparents" that in the event of the 
death of the parents, they will take over the child's care and spiritual welfare. 

Thus, Sirius being Harry;s godfather I would beleive is more on the symbolic 
side, merely meaning that he was the person chosen to look after Harry if 
anything happened to Lily and James. This decision does not have to have 
any religious connections, despite the continued use of the term 
GODparents.........and considering all those witch burnings in the middle ages, 
I don't think wizards and witches hold much stock for religion!!!!

Just a little bit of my old catholic school upbringing coming out.......(ugh)

hope this is of some help.......

HumanTupperware




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Aug 19 11:38:10 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 04:38:10 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
References: <1298.4.47.27.247.1092880899.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>    <cg1g5r+hapf@eGroups.com> <2272.4.47.27.247.1092897935.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <004a01c485e1$01908200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<And this is what I find disappointing.  There is no respite and the threat
of always being placed under moderation is there if you veer off-topic...
even on OTChatter, which would be to go on-topic for other lists.>

I've never seen a member of OTChatter placed on mod status for going off topic on OTC.  And it takes a lot to be placed back on mod
status, trust me.  The threat is there yes, but it happens very rarely in our history...I can only think of a handful of members in
my three years of elfdom.

<I was so *disappointed* when the mods stepped in here to redirect feedback
elsewhere.>

Why though?  We have specific lists for specific reasons, and while I understand your not wanting to join another list, it's a lot
easier to have others read your posts if they're not buried under tons of other posts.  The only reason I even caught this thread is
because I happen to haunt OTC.  Even if you're just blowing off steam, others who share the same concerns might not see your post
and chime in because they're not here.

<I'm a rambler. :-(  This saddens me very much.  By your definition, I'm a
low quality poster.  Although, I've suspected as much for a long time.>

I've known you for at least a year and on various other lists.  You're not a low quality poster.  Granted it's slightly easier for
you and me to get into a conversation on hp_slash (I shortened the group name) then here but you're still a good poster. :o)

<Err, I mentioned mailing list, not forum.  I highly *dislike* forums only
slightly less than being placed on moderated.>

The average HP mailing list is taken up by children and teens who (no offense to any teens here as they don't qualify) can't figure
out the English language to save their lives and use netspeak because they can't do any better most times.  Granted I'm not the
pinnacle of posters as my fellow elves can eagerly point out (I suck at spelling and grammar, a running needle point), but really,
if you want that mystical place where you can have it all...good luck finding it.  I tried at one point when I was annoyed with
HPfGU.

I don't really know how to make you feel better about us Dina, but the rules are there for a reason.  Granted unless you were there
for the reason they were in place it's hard to understand, but they are good rules.

The split between OTC and Main List came at a time when it was getting hard to see the different posts and cannon purists were
getting annoyed.  Feedback came during one of the 'ranting months' when the elves thought list members might appreciate a place to
post where their comments could be seen and heard and not lost in the shuffle.  Moderation came from trying to get newbies used to
our rather strict (or as annoyed newbies say, stick up our arse) rules.

What seems harsh in the beginning, becomes second habit after a while...so it's hard for me to see the problem with the rules since
they're normal to me...in fact I've often wanted to smack other mailing lists with the HBBigfile (or whatever we call the list of
rules now) so that everything would become neat and orderly.

Saitaina
****
"...And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the term rescue to you. It's not to come and then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From spin01 at aol.com  Thu Aug 19 13:31:07 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:31:07 -0000
Subject: On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status
In-Reply-To: <004a01c485e1$01908200$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cg2a2r+94ku@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> Dina wrote:
> 
> <And this is what I find disappointing.  There is no respite and 
the threat
> of always being placed under moderation is there if you veer off-
topic...
> even on OTChatter, which would be to go on-topic for other lists.>


I have been reading this thread and each time I wonder what the big 
deal is.  For the most part all the moderators do is fix your 
spelling or grammer.  People on these lists are from all over the 
world.  A grammatical thing might totally change the meaning of the 
setence.  I have been reading on these lists for a long time and only 
just started posting.  I am not upset when a thread gets sent back to 
me.  I have a wonderful Elf her name is Joy and she fixes my posts up 
(not changing anything just fixing spelling etc) sends them back and 
I send them on to the list.  They moderators are not out there 
to "Get" anyone they are just trying to make sure the messeges get 
out there where the people can read them. 
sherry




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Aug 19 13:40:02 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:40:02 -0000
Subject: List recommendations (was On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status)
In-Reply-To: <1298.4.47.27.247.1092880899.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cg2aji+nmnq@eGroups.com>

Dina asked:

> Where is there a mailing list that I can pull ideas off HPFGU, talk 
about
> them without fear of moderation (Ex: if I start about Petunia and 
then
> divert to HBO's Six Feet Under in the same message - those that 
watch SFU
> might get the joke), bring up the HP movies or websites, or talk 
about
> something completely irrelevant... and not deal with tweens and 
their
> teenspeak or homophobia?

I think there's little doubt we would all like such a list - which is 
precisely the problem.  HPFGU in its early history was just such a 
list, and it bacame a victim of its own success.  The solution 
adopted to cope with sustained growth was to create the sister lists 
(it's unfortunate that Yahoo technology isn't up to giving all main 
list members automatic webview membership of OTC, Movie and Feedback).

Kelley has already recommended a number of other lists (though I hope 
you don't leave here).  I'll just add that there is also the Hog's 
Head, founded by HPFGU members:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hogs_head/

which has consciously tried to learn from the past history of HPFGU.  
At the moment it is still fairly small (it's a little over 6 months 
old) so time will tell if it's capable of maintaining sustained 
popularity without loss of intimacy of atmosphere.

David

Remember, whenever you bestow friendship on someone, you are taking 
it away from 5,999,999,999 others




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Aug 19 13:47:52 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:47:52 -0000
Subject: Harry's Christening
In-Reply-To: <cg17mv+o191@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg2b28+fqg4@eGroups.com>

Caius Marcius wrote:

> Might a British 
> family circa 1980 have held a "christening" without any 
affiliation, 
> involvement or belief in a church?

Yes, I think they would.  There is a phrase 'hatched, matched and 
dispatched' to describe people's involvement with the (Anglican, = 
Episcopalian in the USA) church, meaning their involvement is limited 
to Christenings, weddings, and funerals.

I think, in fact, it would still hold true in 2004.  People who have 
had no contact with a church still tend, I think, to want to get 
married there and to have their babies 'done' there.

David




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Aug 19 15:00:38 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:00:38 -0400
Subject: Personal List Musings (was RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: On Moderated and
 Un-Moderated Status)
In-Reply-To: <cg2a2r+94ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEEGDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hey Folks,

I'm going to just "blanket" address the feel of comments here rather than
make specific refs and attributions.

I'm also cross-posting this to the feedback list.

Firstly, I've been involved with newsgroups and e-lists since 1988...so
that's a pretty long time to be playing with this kind of stuff. :-)  I've
seen, I think, just about everything that can happen on one list/group or
another, having been participant as well as moderator

One of the things that does happen is that people sometimes post and forget
that other real people with real feelings and diverse backgrounds are
reading what is written.  This can make for all kinds of trouble!  Now, I'll
be the first to say that, no matter how one slices it, someone somewhere
will always find a gripe about a post or poster...but someone somewhere can
always find a gripe about another  person, too. <Grin>:

Every list/group has a "climate," an atmosphere which pervades it; some are
more antagonistic, some are more of a slug-fest (yes, I actually heard from
a friend who had been on a list where people were actually trying to pick
fights about some triviality in someone's post).  But the majority that I've
been on are usually populated by lovely and decent people.

Now, sometimes a person will come on to a list which is rather polite and
laid back from one of those more antagonistic lists and all heck can break
loose.  As a moderator, I would write to that antagonist and explain that my
list was one where respect is key, there are real people reading these posts
and if said antagonist could not adhere to the list rules then I would have
to remove him/her.  The results were usually favorable with apologies from
the antagonist and I rarely had to do a removal.  However, there were those
who decided to unsub, too, because they thought the list wasn't
confrontational enough for them...fine by me. :-)

There are lists where discussion of list policy and bashing the admins fall
under regular list posting; I would always tend to discourage this and
request that people take their gripes either to me or to whoever is the
problem rather than pepper the list with a problem.  But, that's not for
everyone...like I say, some lists put everything on the table.  The fact
that HPFGU has a feedback list, to me, is a very nice thing...a good way to
express for the members and a good way for the elves to get the "pulse" of
the lists.

One of the things I tried to do was encourage certain veterans to help new
folk with snipping and formatting and inform new folk that there are these
list veterans out there who would gladly help them with these kinds of
things.  This usually works well.  However, there are people that, no matter
how many times one asks them to snip or to sign their posts, it don't
happen, and one deals or adapts. :-) I'm sure the list elves on HPFGU have
these kinds of things to deal with as well...and these lists are a whole lot
bigger than mine! :-)

I do think that proper subject attribution *Is Truly Important*.  I admit
guilt on sometimes forgetting to alter the subject...<Lee irons her
fingers>... but appropriate subject lines do make for better sorting and
possible deletion of threads someone might see as uninteresting.  Again,
however, from my experience, as much as I've tried to stress this, there are
those who consistently do not adhere and, again, one must deal or adapt.
<Sigh.>

Why am I expounding on all this?  Simple...I'm just trying to point out
that, no matter where you go, some rule on some list is probably going to
make someone unhappy.  And, just as there are no perfect people in this
world, there are no perfectly perfect lists/groups.

Sure, I've had a rejected and one edited post while on moderated status on
the main list, but that's okay.  If I had the time, there are some folk I
would probably moderate more closely on my list...but I don't as there are
only two of us admin types and both busy with other pursuits as well as our
computer time.  So I applaud the fact that HPFGU has such a large team that
can do moderated status.

IMO, if a person isn't happy on a list, then search out others and, perhaps,
one can find a more ideal list home.  I know that input is accepted
gratefully here, and I'm sure some of the ideas may be rattling around in
the hoppers of the list elves.  But, if the HPFGU isn't meeting a need for
someone, then search around.  Remember, though, the grass isn't always
greener on the other lists. <Grin.>

I've rambled long enough, so I'll shut up now and go attack some chocolate.
:-)

Thank you, HPFGU Elves. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug 19 15:06:13 2004
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:06:13 -0000
Subject: List recommendations (was On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status)
In-Reply-To: <cg2aji+nmnq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg2fl5+aq0r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Dina asked:
> 
> > Where is there a mailing list that I can pull ideas off HPFGU, 
talk 
> about
> > them without fear of moderation (Ex: if I start about Petunia 
and 
> then
> > divert to HBO's Six Feet Under in the same message - those that 
> watch SFU
> > might get the joke), bring up the HP movies or websites, or talk 
> about
> > something completely irrelevant... and not deal with tweens and 
> their
> > teenspeak or homophobia?

What would be ideal is a board. Is anyone here a member of TWoP QAF 
Talk, or Refugee? They are boards for television, and in the last 
two examples, QAF. What's nice is that there can be individual 
threads that are easy to follow. You can have the Snape/Lupin 
thread, the Ron/Hermione or Harry/Hermoine or even, Potions vs 
Muggle Medicine. That way individual discussions can be carried on.

I have seen one group set up for fiction but it really isn't active. 

Casey 




From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Aug 19 15:12:35 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:12:35 -0000
Subject: List recommendations (was On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status)
In-Reply-To: <cg2fl5+aq0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg2g13+bfpj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Casey" <caseylane at w...> 
wrote:

> What would be ideal is a board. Is anyone here a member of TWoP 
QAF 
> Talk, or Refugee? They are boards for television, and in the last 
> two examples, QAF. What's nice is that there can be individual 
> threads that are easy to follow. You can have the Snape/Lupin 
> thread, the Ron/Hermione or Harry/Hermoine or even, Potions vs 
> Muggle Medicine. That way individual discussions can be carried on.

Well, FictionAlley.org has a pretty intense and active board up at 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/ - we're into 
our fourth year, and we have over a million posts discussing the 
books, the movies, writing (fanfiction and original fiction), the 
merchandise, JKR's website and HP news in general, among other 
things. 

Personally, I used to prefer the mailing list format - for the first 
two years that I was an admin on FictionAlley I did most of my HP 
discussion on HPfGU - but the overwhelming amount of messages there 
manages to crash my sidekick, so I've had to go nomail on HPfGU and 
focus my discussion-postings on FictionAlley and a few LiveJournal 
communities, although I still peek in on the main list every so 
often, and have been individual-messages on OTC since it was founded 
(except for a few weeks just after I had my second child last 
summer). 


Best,
Heidi




From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug 19 17:43:07 2004
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:43:07 -0000
Subject: List recommendations (was On Moderated and Un-Moderated Status)
In-Reply-To: <cg2g13+bfpj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg2orb+2962@eGroups.com>

 
> Well, FictionAlley.org has a pretty intense and active board up at 
> http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/ - we're into 
> our fourth year, and we have over a million posts discussing the 
> books, the movies, writing (fanfiction and original fiction), the 
> merchandise, JKR's website and HP news in general, among other 
> things. 

Thanks! I'll check it out.

Casey




From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 20:30:41 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:30:41 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Vernon Dursley is a /Director/.
Message-ID: <cg32lh+qlqu@eGroups.com>

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but my memory on the details
fails me at the moment.

Vernon Dursley is a director of Grunnings Drill Company.

First, I must wonder if he is /A/ Director, or if he is /THE/ Director.

Next, I have to wonder what the term /Director/ means in Britich
culture and context.

Does it simply mean that Vernon is one of many middle managers? 

In the US, middle managers are any salaried 'necktie' types who have
staff working under them. Although, they may be far from the top of
the Corporate hierarchy. Examples, he could be the manager of
accounting, or sales, or production.

In Vernon's case, he seems to be involved is sales. So, given that he
is a/the Director, would you speculate that he is a department
director, or the overal manager for that branch of the company?

The term 'director' is used in the USA, most commonly in 'Board of
Directors', but you rarely hear of a person directly referred to as a
director in this context.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where Uncle Vernon fits into the
world. It's difficult for me to tell based on clues. Like his house
for example, by American/USA standards, he lives in a slightly above
average middle class home. At the same time, I am aware that real
estate prices in England are exceptionally high. Give that, Vernon
might be living in a million dollar house. He also seems to earn a
substantial salary, but whether that is ?50,000 or ?500,000 I can't tell. 

Just seeking some perspective on the Uncle we all love to hate.

Steve/b_boymn






From marty.larson at verizon.net  Thu Aug 19 20:11:55 2004
From: marty.larson at verizon.net (Marty Larson)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:11:55 -0000
Subject: JKRowling Poll
Message-ID: <cg31ib+tgpq@eGroups.com>

Just noticed that the usual message for the Poll response about how 
the poll questions and not to send any more questions because JK 
Rowling has such a backlog is not there.  The repsonse page is 
blank - could this mean that a quick response to the question of 
Dumbledore's howler to Aunt Petunia is on it's way?

Marty Larson





From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 21:20:31 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:20:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: Vernon Dursley is a /Director/.
In-Reply-To: <cg32lh+qlqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040819212031.10942.qmail@web61004.mail.yahoo.com>



Steve <b_boymn at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but my memory on the details
fails me at the moment.

Vernon Dursley is a director of Grunnings Drill Company.

First, I must wonder if he is /A/ Director, or if he is /THE/ Director.

Next, I have to wonder what the term /Director/ means in Britich
culture and context.

Does it simply mean that Vernon is one of many middle managers? 

In the US, middle managers are any salaried 'necktie' types who have
staff working under them. Although, they may be far from the top of
the Corporate hierarchy. Examples, he could be the manager of
accounting, or sales, or production.

In Vernon's case, he seems to be involved is sales. So, given that he
is a/the Director, would you speculate that he is a department
director, or the overal manager for that branch of the company?

The term 'director' is used in the USA, most commonly in 'Board of
Directors', but you rarely hear of a person directly referred to as a
director in this context.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where Uncle Vernon fits into the
world. It's difficult for me to tell based on clues. Like his house
for example, by American/USA standards, he lives in a slightly above
average middle class home. At the same time, I am aware that real
estate prices in England are exceptionally high. Give that, Vernon
might be living in a million dollar house. He also seems to earn a
substantial salary, but whether that is ?50,000 or ?500,000 I can't tell. 

Just seeking some perspective on the Uncle we all love to hate.

Steve/b_boymn


Hello Steve,

            First my appologies to you (and Steve Van Der Aark), for crediting you with creating the Lexicon in an earlier post. I tried posting an appology earlier but it seems to have gone astray.

Whether or not Vernon is a or THE sales director will really depend on how big a company Grunnings is. The term could be used for both. 

Based on the home he owns and his likely salary:

Surrey is one of the expensive counties in the UK, parts of it being an easy, (1hr), commute from London while being fairly leafy, suburban and a "nice" place to raise a family. 

British house prices are a really sore subject with me. Hubby and are renting a two bedroomed house in Oxfordshire (similarly popular and overcrowded), without much hope of buying our own home until I get back to work at least. Hubby works in the public sector. I would too if my salary could cover childcare and travelling. I'm ranting, I appologise.

Anyway. A four bedroomed, detached house in Surrey, similar to Privet Drive used in the movies would be priced at roughly  ?285, 000.

I had a little snoop at Surrey prices, I've picked a set of details to give you a link to if you are very curious.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/rm/template/publicsite%2Cbuying%2CPropertyDetails.vm/svr/1043?p_id=2966210&pa_n=15&tr_t=buy

If Vernon and Petunia were to be buying this house now he would probably need a salary of ?60,000 or so. Sounds middle managementish to me. Or at least he was when Harry came to live with the Dursleys.

Hope this helps and sorry for ranting

Sam






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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 23:01:38 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:01:38 -0000
Subject: JKRowling Poll
In-Reply-To: <cg31ib+tgpq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg3bgi+2an5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marty Larson" 
<marty.larson at v...> wrote:
> Just noticed that the usual message for the Poll response about 
how 
> the poll questions and not to send any more questions because JK 
> Rowling has such a backlog is not there.  The repsonse page is 
> blank - could this mean that a quick response to the question of 
> Dumbledore's howler to Aunt Petunia is on it's way?
> 
> Marty Larson

*****\(@@)/*****

Since it has been up there quite a while, she may be getting ready 
to update. Have you been watching the bulletin board? She has a post-
it with the Book Festival on it and also partly obscured by the pen 
nearby is something that appears to be a note that she has to update 
some things. Also a reminder to pick a new fan site and over to the 
right partly hidden by the radio is my favorite: Looks like she's on 
holiday in October! I, for one, am dying to know the poll answer!

Dudemom_2000

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From julie_balfour at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 20 12:40:57 2004
From: julie_balfour at hotmail.com (Boolean)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:40:57 -0000
Subject: Harry's Christening
In-Reply-To: <cg2b28+fqg4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg4rgp+uc6b@eGroups.com>

> Caius Marcius wrote:
> 
> > Might a British 
> > family circa 1980 have held a "christening" without any 
> affiliation, 
> > involvement or belief in a church?

 davewitley replied:
> Yes, I think they would.  There is a phrase 'hatched, matched and 
> dispatched' to describe people's involvement with the (Anglican, = 
> Episcopalian in the USA) church, meaning their involvement is 
limited 
> to Christenings, weddings, and funerals.
> 
> I think, in fact, it would still hold true in 2004.  People who 
have 
> had no contact with a church still tend, I think, to want to get 
> married there and to have their babies 'done' there.

Now me:

Yes, this is definitely true. I went to my boyfriend's sister's 
wedding last weekend. She never, ever goes to church, not even for a 
christmas service, but for some reason decided that she absolutely 
*had* to get married in church, otherwise it wasn't 'proper'. A lot 
of people in this country (Britain) are like this, and will also have 
their children christened in church "just in case" (!) 

However, just as many people these days have a 'naming ceremony' or 
similar, which can be a civil ceremony, or just an informal party - 
something to welcome the new arrival. Nearly always one or two close 
friends are asked to be 'godparents', even though they might not be 
named as such, but will often be referred to as godparent, for want 
of a better expression.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 20 12:57:12 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:57:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: More Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20040820125712.3725.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com>

*enters the room, a streamer stuck to her shoe,
bearing many large cakes*

*looks down, spies streamer and hastily removes it,
tucking it behind her back*

Boy, I am scattered these days, aren't I? I've missed
some very special birthdays. I hope that all the
birthday honourees will accept my sincere apologies
and promises to shut my ears in the oven door.

The missed birthdays belong to Ebony, Mary Ann and Jo
Crabtree (Professor Phlash). Belated birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to: Eb at
selah_1977 at yahoo.com, Mary Ann at marycloudt at yahoo.ca,
and Jo at crabtree at ktc.com

I hope everyone had a wonderful time on their
birthday, filled with fun, magic and HP goodness.

Happy Birthday, Ebony!
Happy Birthday, Mary Ann!
Happy Birthday, Jo!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who was really delayed
because of efforts to find some hunks to jump out of
various birthday cakes, but wasn't going to admit that
to everyone

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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Aug 20 17:03:13 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:03:13 EDT
Subject: Marty Larson
Message-ID: <2b.5f26b94b.2e5788d1@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2004 2:04:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Just noticed that the usual message for the Poll response about how 
> the poll questions and not to send any more questions because JK 
> Rowling has such a backlog is not there.  The repsonse page is 
> blank - could this mean that a quick response to the question of 
> Dumbledore's howler to Aunt Petunia is on it's way?
> 
> Marty Larson
> 

Luna writes:

I do hope you are right!!  Her site has had lots of changes this week.  I 
think she was on holiday for a couple of weeks there because there was nothing 
new, and suddenly things look different all over the place!!  :)  I love the 
picture of her with Goofy pinned to the board.  :)


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Aug 20 17:02:38 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:02:38 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Vernon Dursley is a /Director/.
In-Reply-To: <cg32lh+qlqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg5are+jr7g@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:
> I'm sure this has been discussed before, but my memory on the 
details
> fails me at the moment.
> 
> Vernon Dursley is a director of Grunnings Drill Company.

I haven't a copy of HP to hand, so I can't check the fine details, 
but I have alwaysd read it that he is the Managing Director, that is, 
the member of the Board of Directors who actually runs the company, 
often called the Chief Executive these days.  Does the US have a 
designation Senior Vice-President or some such?

OTOH, I have also felt that the limited evidence we have points to 
Grunnings being a fairly small company.  This includes the Dursleys' 
relatively modest home (the high price of property is only relative, 
and they already had the house when the story starts, at a time when 
prices were significantly lower, though it's hard to be sure relative 
to income), as well as the fact that they entertain that couple at 
home for an important sale.  I don't think it's unusual for the MD to 
be involved in selling, no matter what the size of the company.

It is odd that the Dursleys make *no* effort to get a bigger, or 
better-located house (in terms of their own values, Privet Drive is 
not a particularly good type of location).  For example, they would 
rather get a holiday home in Majorca (again, to my mind a rather 
unambitious and unimaginative choice, even by their values) than 
consider putting money towards a new home.  Unless it's part of the 
story in some way (protection of Harry?), the best explanation IMO is 
simply their deep conservatism.  They like where they are and that 
overrides even their desire to flaunt their wealth.

David




From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Aug 20 17:07:00 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:07:00 EDT
Subject: Sam - London Real Estate
Message-ID: <d8.124dae96.2e5789b4@aol.com>

Thanks for all the information about property costs in the London area.  It's 
interesting to have the comparison.  I hope you and your husband get into a 
new home of your own soon.  :)

Luna


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From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 20 17:43:26 2004
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Adopt a Cow.....
Message-ID: <20040820174326.72403.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey guys and gals someone emailed me this link to
adopt a cow. I thought it was funny until I went into
the link and it changed my mind. They are so cute. I
adopted a cow and she is the cutest. She is from
Pennsylvania and her name is Elaise.
http://www.bringelsiehome.com/adoptacow/

Tasha

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From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 20 17:59:27 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: Vernon Dursley is a /Director/.
In-Reply-To: <cg5are+jr7g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040820175927.13420.qmail@web61004.mail.yahoo.com>



davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:
> 
> Vernon Dursley is a director of Grunnings Drill Company.

I have alwaysd read it that he is the Managing Director, that is, 
the member of the Board of Directors who actually runs the company.
 
  This includes the Dursleys' 
relatively modest home (the high price of property is only relative, 
and they already had the house when the story starts, at a time when 
prices were significantly lower, though it's hard to be sure relative 
to income), as well as the fact that they entertain that couple at 
home for an important sale.  I don't think it's unusual for the MD to 
be involved in selling, no matter what the size of the company.

It is odd that the Dursleys make *no* effort to get a bigger, or 
better-located house (in terms of their own values, Privet Drive is 
not a particularly good type of location).  For example, they would 
rather get a holiday home in Majorca (again, to my mind a rather 
unambitious and unimaginative choice, even by their values) than 
consider putting money towards a new home.  Unless it's part of the 
story in some way (protection of Harry?), the best explanation IMO is 
simply their deep conservatism.  They like where they are and that 
overrides even their desire to flaunt their wealth.

Sam now:
        I'd always thought that they probably found it quite easy and convenient to blame the unexpected arrival of Harry on the doorstep for putting a spanner in their grand plans for the future.
In my imagination Petunia can also enjoy drumming up a nice lot of sympathy and admiration at coffee mornings or whatever she does with herself for taking in her poor nephew.
 
(Just my take on the Dursley's values)
Sam

 




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From azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Aug 20 18:48:02 2004
From: azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk (PGR)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:48:02 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Vernon Dursley is a /Director/.
In-Reply-To: <cg32lh+qlqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg5h12+lcql@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <b_boymn at y...> wrote:
> Vernon Dursley is a director of Grunnings Drill Company.
> 
> First, I must wonder if he is /A/ Director, or if he is /THE/ 
Director.
> 
> Next, I have to wonder what the term /Director/ means in Britich
> culture and context.
> 
> Does it simply mean that Vernon is one of many middle managers? 
> 
> The term 'director' is used in the USA, most commonly in 'Board of
> Directors', but you rarely hear of a person directly referred to 
as a
> director in this context.

The board of directors thought is mostly correct, but although there 
are certain legal responsibilities a director has the title gives 
little indication of role or salary.  In the UK you can create a 
business that is incorporated as a Limited Company (I could get very 
boring here so I'll limit the details); the minimum requirements for 
this are a single director and a company secretary (director like 
with specific filing requirements).

It is common to have small Ltd companies like this run by (say) a 
husband and wife making a modest turn over.  I imagined Vernon to be 
the founder (or early partner of founder) of a small ? medium firm.  
It would be wholly consistent for such a director to be entertaining 
an important (potential) client and expect a deal to yield a payoff 
(probably in an increased dividend).

I myself used to be the sole director of a software company and had 
to be the sales person, techie, lead consultant, MD, purchaser etc.

It is also possible that the title could be a high or middle ranking 
manager (directing as defined in a dictionary ? to manage or 
control) as opposed to a company officer with legal duties (director 
defined in company law) but this would be (to my experience) an 
unusual title in the business world but I have seen it used in the 
public sector.  For example in the Office for National Statistics 
there are (was?) divisional directors. 

PGR





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Aug 20 19:36:48 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:36:48 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Vernon Dursley is a /Director/.
In-Reply-To: <cg5h12+lcql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg5jsg+g265@eGroups.com>

PGR wrote:

>  I imagined Vernon to be 
> the founder (or early partner of founder) of a small ? medium firm.

I doubt the sole founder, as that would presumably be Mr (or just 
possibly Ms) Grunning.

> It is also possible that the title could be a high or middle 
ranking 
> manager (directing as defined in a dictionary ? to manage or 
> control) as opposed to a company officer with legal duties 
(director 
> defined in company law)

I have occasionally come across this use of 'Director'.  I don't, 
however, recall Dursley ever being referred to as *a* director; I 
think it's usually just 'director', without any article.

 but this would be (to my experience) an 
> unusual title in the business world but I have seen it used in the 
> public sector.  For example in the Office for National Statistics 
> there are (was?) divisional directors. 

The use of the title 'Director' is indeed common in the civil 
service, though the grade varies with department.  For those of you 
interested in the minutiae (and come on, admit it, which of you 
isn't?) Director is a Grade 5 (equivalent 1* or Brigadeer) in the 
Ministry of Defence and a Grade 3 (more senior) in the Home Office.  
I don't think this usage is relevant to Vernon Dursley's title.

David




From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Aug 20 23:44:43 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (mumweasley7)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:44:43 -0000
Subject: Clue Discovery
Message-ID: <cg62db+5ro4@eGroups.com>

 I noticed that people have discovered a blank piece of paper on 
JKR's bulletin board.  If you will take the eraser and run it across 
the paper you will find a clue.

Mum Weasley




From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat Aug 21 14:00:42 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:00:42 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKRowling Poll
Message-ID: <b9.4489d02a.2e58af8a@aol.com>

Pick up the eraser on the ledge in the bulletin board and run it across the 
blank page.  ; )

Mary aka..Mum Weasley


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sat Aug 21 15:31:50 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:31:50 EDT
Subject: Luna and JK's Moon's
Message-ID: <1cb.2944d8c6.2e58c4e6@aol.com>

I was wondering (since I'm new) if anyone or all of you have explored the 
correlation between the new character Luna Lovegood and all of JK's cresent moons 
at her website.  JK has said publically that Luna is her new favorite 
character, and "Luna" meaning Moon, and the cresent moon 'marks' all over her desk at 
her website ... I just wondered if there isn't something there. Something 
that might suggest the growing importance of her line in the story.  I love the 
addition of her character ... I love her eccentric ways and how she is 
completely confident and unaltered by others opinions of her.  Would love to hear your 
thoughts on this!!
Also ..... I hope this is appropriate for this list?!  I'm still learning.
Thanks,
"Luna"  


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From b_boymn at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 21 20:22:03 2004
From: b_boymn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:22:03 -0000
Subject: Link Lists Posted in Feedback
Message-ID: <cg8atb+7jso@eGroups.com>

Some one was collecting list of interesting links to the main group in
the hope of creating a master index of the group, but I'm not sure who
that was.

In any event, I've posted three long link lists in the Feedback group.
Since there is not a lot of activity in that group, I thought I would
let you know here, so you could collect them.

Just trying to help.

Steve/B_Boymn




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Aug 21 21:58:48 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:58:48 -0000
Subject: JKR appointment?
Message-ID: <cg8gio+h0ru@eGroups.com>

I have been taking a closer look at the revamped 'extras' page of 
JKR's website, the one you get by clicking on the mug.

People have already remarked on the partly concealed drawing of the 
room behind the magic door, the mention of the need to pick a new 
fansite winner, and the Aug 15 reminder about the book festival.  
There's also a note, partly hidden behind the pen, that appears to 
say:

Site Update
-----------
'The Pillar of Storge'
Get a grip!!
Rumours

The torn-off shopping list above the radio includes, among other 
things, maternity clothes and a stair gate.

However, the one that really interested me was the note at the top, 
pinned partly behind the main sheet containing the extras 
themselves.  It appears to say:

14/09/04
Shepperton Studio
Middlesex

I'm not the most careful reader of The Leaky Cauldron, but I don't 
recall seeing any mention of anything to happen on that date.  Can 
anyone enlighten me?  I suppose a visit to Shepperton might be a 
private affair, but if so, why advertise it on her website?  Isn't 
that just a recipe for large numbers of fans to congregate hopefully 
outside the gate that day?

Finally, I'm intrigued that there's a torn-off corner from the 
Manchester Evening News with what looks like an advertisement 
ringed, just above the sheet with the invisible potion ingredients.  
The MEN would be a local paper, and JKR lives outside its 
circulation area.

David




From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat Aug 21 22:21:36 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:21:36 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR appointment?
Message-ID: <1c1.1d65846b.2e5924f0@aol.com>

Have you used the eraser on the blank pinned up piece of paper?  It's a 
drawer of a cauldron and several items.  Just not sure what it's a clue for?

  Meira  aka Mum Weasley7


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From suzchiles at pobox.com  Sat Aug 21 22:30:11 2004
From: suzchiles at pobox.com (suzchiles at pobox.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:30:11 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR appointment?
In-Reply-To: <1c1.1d65846b.2e5924f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101c487ce$6c978aa0$0400a8c0@domain.actdsltmp>

Meira asks:

> Have you used the eraser on the blank pinned up piece of 
> paper?  It's a 
> drawer of a cauldron and several items.  Just not sure what 
> it's a clue for?
> 
>   Meira  aka Mum Weasley7

Actually, it's a Revealer, not an eraser. While you're visiting the
site, look for those items that the revealer shows and click on them.
Once you've found all the items, you'll get a special treat to look at.

Suzanne




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 22 01:44:20 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:44:20 -0000
Subject: Movie!Ron / compliment  /  'cleaning' / godparent - religion -  wizardverse
Message-ID: <cg8tpk+qs01@eGroups.com>

Marita Jan wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23895 :

<< Well, I have to admit, I *don't* like the way they've written Ron's
character for the movie. It seems to me that he's been made much more
of a lightweight than he actually is in the books. I mean, this is the
guy who figured out the chess game and sacrificed himself for the
others. THAT'S the Ron I like. I think they've made him into the
'comic sidekick' and I don't always agree with that. >>

I completely agree with you, and it was worse in the latest movie
(PoA) where Ron was portrayed as some kind of coward, always scared
all the time. G'rrr.

Steve b_boymn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23922 :

<< Catlady (snip).  Her ideas and opinions are valued and responded to
(I never miss one of her posts). >>

Ooh, a compliment! Thank you! (I love compliments.)

Steve b_boymn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23933 :

<< OK, I see the quote, and I see the connection to Snape, but it is a
very very thin connection. I still think 'Sirius' should occur in
place of 'Snape' in the original quote I commented on. >>

I always thought that the 'Snape might call it cleaning' referred to
Snape's sneering vocal tone's implicationn that Sirius was spending
his time on mere 'household chores', not 'real work'.

Human Tupperware wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23939 :

<< Sirius being Harry's godfather (snip) does not have to have any
religious connections, despite the continued use of the term
GODparents.........and considering all those witch burnings in the
middle ages, I don't think wizards and witches hold much stock for
religion!!!! >>

The wizards and witches are human beings, and besides they have a
continual influx of Muggleborns, so I think there would be some
witches and wizards who are very religious and some who are a little
religious and probably some who are militant atheists. What I
personally think would be a big difference between wizarding and
Muggle religion is that the wizarding folk being so conservative and
anarchic, some of the purebloods would never have given up their
pre-Christian religion, altho' they might have merged all their
Celtic, Saxon, Roman, Hellenistic Paganism into one Established
Religion. However, I don't think Rowling has that in HER Potterverse. 

Her Potterverse seems to resemble the Muggle RL more than I think is
plausible -- for example, QUIDDITCH THROUGH THE AGES tells of
wizarding USA as a place which speaks English, practises wand-based
magic, and plays Quodpot instead of Quidditch. I think there would be
a great deal more Native American wizards, better able to defend
themselves and/or hide themselves from the Euro-American colonizers
than the Native American Muggles, clinging to their own languages and
own magic systems and their game would be a form of Lacrosse rather
than of Football. 




From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 22 07:05:49 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:05:49 -0000
Subject: wizardverse
In-Reply-To: <cg8tpk+qs01@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg9gkd+bljr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:


> Her Potterverse seems to resemble the Muggle RL more than I think is
> plausible -- for example, QUIDDITCH THROUGH THE AGES tells of
> wizarding USA as a place which speaks English, practises wand-based
> magic, and plays Quodpot instead of Quidditch. I think there would 
be
> a great deal more Native American wizards, better able to defend
> themselves and/or hide themselves from the Euro-American colonizers
> than the Native American Muggles, clinging to their own languages 
and
> own magic systems and their game would be a form of Lacrosse rather
> than of Football.

I'd been trying to imagine wizarding in the USA. English might be the 
universal language here for convenience, but I'd imagined clusters of 
wizarding communities that settled from different nations. Unlike USA 
Muggles, they got along better but mingled less, keeping a lot more 
of their native customs and language, and keeping more to the 
original region they'd settled. Wizarding travel was probably far 
superior to Muggle methods for quite a long time, letting them keep 
closer ties with home.  I wonder how the Wizarding community handled 
the Revolution?  Did patriot wizards clash with tory wizards?

My knowledge of Native Americans is spotty. I have an idea that 
they'd differ from European wizards in practice, also that Native 
American wizards and witches were closer to Muggle Native Americans. 
The shaman at least(and probably his/her family)would be a witch or 
wizard, and live amongst the tribe, although there must be seperate 
clusters of Native American wizards. Native American religion has a 
reverence toward animals and birds and nature. I imagine Animagi 
Wizards are more common than in Europe, as more of an effort would 
been put into learning that branch of magic. The ones who succeed are 
probably given the highest respect.

I agree that Native American wizards could defend themselves from 
Muggle colonizers, but what about wizard colonizers?  Would they 
necessarily get along?  Maybe better than Muggles, but not 
completely. European wizards would want to live apart from the Muggle 
colonizers, especially with the witch hunts still occuring during the 
sixteenth and seventeenth century. I tried to imagine what would spur 
European wizard migration, and thought a combination of economics and 
witch hunts might do it. And they'd want to carve out their own lands 
in a big, underpopulated region.

I've imagined a conversation where one witch is talking about the 
Muggles, and how badly they treated the Native Americans, running 
them off their lands, being smug, and another witch 
replying, "whereas we made whole areas Unplottable, so we could move 
in and the Native Americans were none the wiser that they'd lost part 
of their lands!"

Also, would Native American wizards have developed broomstick 
riding?  Might they have decided flight was a sacred gift given to a 
wizard who's Animagus form was a bird or insect?  Would they be 
offended by European wizards soaring through the air on sticks?

Just some thoughts that have been going through my mind for awhile.  
If anything I've written about Native Americans offends anybody, 
please accept my apology. It's through ignorance, not malice.

Donna






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Aug 22 09:28:11 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:28:11 +1000
Subject: Essay on Hogwarts as a Public School
Message-ID: <4128F3CB.29081.1C6741@localhost>

A few weeks ago I mentioned a long essay here entitled 'Hogwarts 
School of Witchcraft and Wizardry in the Context of the British 
Public Schools'.

I have now annotated and placed that essay online at:

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HSWW.html

The essay is changed slightly, but what has changed significantly 
is the addition of reference quotes.

Because many of the books I cited as references in the essay are 
likely to be quite hard for most people to get hold of, I have set 
up the page, so if you click on any reference (actually one isn't 
done yet, but there's over 50 that are), you will be taken to the 
relevant quote from the book that I am referencing, so people can 
see the source material in a little bit of detail.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sun Aug 22 09:52:23 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:52:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Movie!Ron / compliment  /  'cleaning' / godparent - religion -  wizardverse
References: <cg8tpk+qs01@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017701c4882d$ba1d8860$e60b8f45@Voov>

I'm afraid I can't agree with you there.  I've known real folks who
possessed a character like the movie Ron.  Brilliant, but just a trifle out
there.  Don't forget that when it's time for him to really come through, Ron
does.  And just look at the fears he has to face, and how he's chosen to
deal with them as best he can.  Nobody ordered him to hang out with Harry.
I think his movie portrayal is just as it should be, so long as he isn't
cast to play things the exact same way in every role he lands.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au  Sun Aug 22 10:22:41 2004
From: captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au (captain_suburbia)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:22:41 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfqlud+h0hj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cg9s5h+9b7t@eGroups.com>

OK, favorite books; I just HAVE to chime in here!  Not that my tastes
seems to correspond to what's already been stated here, but, still;
here are a few that I've really enjoyed, so if someone else picks them
up and gets something out of them then so much the better.

- Most recent re-read is Perfume by Patrick Suskind.  Dark; ironic;
rich, rich language; told through the sense of smell, so interesting
for that reason if no other.  Read it!

- Imajica and Weaveworld by Clive Barker.  Surely Potter fans would
enjoy this.  Our Clive creates such vivid worlds; complex, mesmerising
stories, full of magic and darkness.  Wonderful!

- The Rose Leopard by Richard Yaxley.  May be difficult to find
outside of Australia (perhaps only local release).  A much simpler
story than my other choices, but a very powerful and well-crafted one,
all the same.  Looking to dip a cracker into the rich guacamole that
is contemporary Australian literature?  (Who isn't?)  You could do a
lot worse than starting here.

Happy reading.

Burbs.   




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Aug 22 15:02:55 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 22 Aug 2004 15:02:55 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1093186975.13.37756.m25@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, August 22, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 22 17:05:44 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Luna and JK's Moon's
In-Reply-To: <1cb.2944d8c6.2e58c4e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040822170544.68850.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com>



LunaLovesHarry at aol.com wrote:
I was wondering (since I'm new) if anyone or all of you have explored the 
correlation between the new character Luna Lovegood and all of JK's cresent moons 
at her website.  JK has said publically that Luna is her new favorite 
character, and "Luna" meaning Moon, and the cresent moon 'marks' all over her desk at 
her website ... I just wondered if there isn't something there. Something 
that might suggest the growing importance of her line in the story.  I love the 
addition of her character ... I love her eccentric ways and how she is 
completely confident and unaltered by others opinions of her.  Would love to hear your 
thoughts on this!!
Also ..... I hope this is appropriate for this list?!  I'm still learning.
Thanks,
"Luna"  




Hi Luna,

        I've not seen anything about this before. (Doesn't mean it's not been about, I could easily have missed it:)

To be really honest, I think they're just marks from JKR's numerous cups of coffee. Not that Luna won't play her part in the rest of the series.

Someone once tried to explain the role of the Virgin Mary in the Catholic Church as being, "like the moon, reflecting the light of the Sun/Son." Not that I can see a way of working that into a theory. Anyone like to have a go? Not sure what the connection is, but I'm convinced Ginny is a representation of Mary Magdalene, so why not?

A fine example of my loosely connected and poorly explained thoughts:)

Have fun with them and hope to see you chatting a bit later

Sam 

 


		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 00:49:43 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:49:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cutie puppy
In-Reply-To: <cfm0ci+2aqi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040823004943.79723.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com>



"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
  
<< Her father is Southcrest Writing Onthewall (Graffitti) and her mom
is Southcrest Cinnamon N Spice (Janet).  I have to use Southcrest in
the name and can only have 28 letters and spaces.  I was thinking
something along the lines of sugar quill, or something like that.  Any
ideas >>

Southcrest Sugarquill. That's a clever choice. 21 letters and spaces,
alliterates, references both parents's names. Father: "Writing" with a
@uill, Mother: Sugar "n Spice".





Well, she is now mine!!  Southcrest Sugar Quill  (we will call her Honey - as in Honeydukes)  Instead of being a sweet little thing, she is a real spitfire!!  Life will never be the same around here!!

moonmyyst


		
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From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Mon Aug 23 07:34:12 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:34:12 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cg9s5h+9b7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgc6lk+dis5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "captain_suburbia" <
captain_suburbia at y...> wrote:
> OK, favorite books; I just HAVE to chime in here!  Not that my tastes
> seems to correspond to what's already been stated here, but, still;
> here are a few that I've really enjoyed, so if someone else picks them
> up and gets something out of them then so much the better.
> 
> - Most recent re-read is Perfume by Patrick Suskind.  Dark; ironic;
> rich, rich language; told through the sense of smell, so interesting
> for that reason if no other.  Read it!
> 

HumanTupperware here: 

I have to reply here too, even though I don't tend to read many fantsy/sf 
books.......

I strongly reiterate that Perfume by Patrick Suskind is an absolute winner...

If you enjoyed Perfume, another writer with similar style is Jeanette Winterson, 
most notably "The Passion", but all her books are fantastic.

The others in my top list are:

Captain Correlli's Mandolin" by Louis de bernieres (please ignore the terrible 
movie version)  all his other books are great too...

To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee is still my all time favorite

"Skinny Legs and All" and "Still Life with Woodpecker" by Tom Robbins are 
fantastic, funny and multi layered books, but possibly not for those of a 
Christian perspective.........

If you are into art and mystery, Nick Bantock's illustrated books for adults are 
wonderful, most notably the "Griffin and Sabine" trilogies, and "The Museum 
at Pergatory" 

Also, those who are still finding it hard to read something whilst waiting for the 
new Harry to come out might want to give the "sandman" comics by Neil 
Gaiman a try, his world is equally rich and complex in mythology and the 
psyche.....

there's my little contibution.....
cheers,

HumanTupperware






From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 23 09:45:29 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:45:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cg9s5h+9b7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040823094529.80354.qmail@web25305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>




I thought that I would add my selection to this list:

The Diskworld series by Terry Pratchett over thirty titles and still growing. 

The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. 

The Rama series by Arthur C Clark, four books. 

Of course the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.

I hope you find somthing of interest in this selection.

 

TTFN Udder Pendragon




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From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 13:05:28 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:05:28 -0000
Subject: Write faster Jo! (pretty please)
Message-ID: <cgcq2o+mg89@eGroups.com>

Hi! 

I don't usually post in this forum (just lurk about occasionally) 
but was hoping that I'd find a kindered spirit out here. Last night 
in my sleep, I managed to procure "Harry Potter and the Half Blood 
Prince"  (with a nice blue cover). I don't know what I was more 
disappointed about when I woke up this morning; the fact that I'd 
managed not to actually open the book and read it in my dream or 
that I'd dreamt it all up after all.

Sara_ELL




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 13:12:35 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Write faster Jo! (pretty please)
In-Reply-To: <cgcq2o+mg89@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040823131235.86327.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree completely!  I'd give up the website updates and games, the book
signings Q&A, etc etc etc, if it meant getting the book a few months
faster.

Sometimes, I wish I'd never started reading the books until they were all
finished!  This waiting is the pits.

MJ

--- Sara_ELL <sara1412au at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi! 
> 
> I don't usually post in this forum (just lurk about occasionally) 
> but was hoping that I'd find a kindered spirit out here. Last night 
> in my sleep, I managed to procure "Harry Potter and the Half Blood 
> Prince"  (with a nice blue cover). I don't know what I was more 
> disappointed about when I woke up this morning; the fact that I'd 
> managed not to actually open the book and read it in my dream or 
> that I'd dreamt it all up after all.
> 
> Sara_ELL
> 
> 


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug 23 15:15:36 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:15:36 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Write faster Jo! (pretty please)
References: <20040823131235.86327.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009001c48924$101ed2e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

MJ wrote:

<Sometimes, I wish I'd never started reading the books until they were all
finished!  This waiting is the pits.>

I guess I'm lucky, I have several series of books I'm waiting on (Anita Blake, Merry Gentry, The Princess Diaries, Goldy Bear
Mysteries and Harry Potter) so I'm experienced in waiting and get a bit of relief every now and again from the endless wait.

Saitaina
****
"...And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the term rescue to you. It's not to come and then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug 23 16:38:26 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:38:26 -0700
Subject: Website Designing sucks
References: <20040823131235.86327.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> <009001c48924$101ed2e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <002b01c4892f$a4119360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

*bangs head on desk* What in the world possessed me to decide on three different layouts for The Never Complete List of Fanfiction?
I should have stuck with one layout, two main colours and been done with it...but no, I had to get the brilliant idea of HP being
purple/grey, LotR/LotR: RPS being green/grey and LoZ being green/gold.  This changes the graphics, text, banners, links,
everything...and I still can't find graphic artists for LotR/LotR:RPS and Zelda.

Can someone just shoot me before I get another "brilliant" idea?  Please.  Or find me more graphics artists so I'm not tempted to do
it myself and make it look REALLY stupid.

*goes back to banging head*

Saitaina
****
"...And you," Harry said to Draco. "Let me define the term rescue to you. It's not to come and then having to be saved yourself."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From pbarhug at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 23 17:55:09 2004
From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:55:09 -0400
Subject: The door is open again
References: <2b.5f26b94b.2e5788d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004701c4893a$555c7e50$0301000a@DJZCB631>

Just was over checking out JKR's site--still chewing over all that information from the book festival--and noticed that the door is openable again.  But there's only darkness behind it.

drpam


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From erinellii at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 18:53:17 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:53:17 -0000
Subject: What color will book six be
In-Reply-To: <cgcq2o+mg89@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgdeet+m7ke@eGroups.com>

 "Sara_ELL" wrote:
 Last night 
> in my sleep, I managed to procure "Harry Potter and the Half Blood 
> Prince"  (with a nice blue cover). 

Erin:
Now that's interesting.  For some reason or another, I've always seen 
Book Six as a deep rich yellow-- even before I knew it was called HBP.

What color do you all think Mary Grandpre's next cover will be?




Satiana wrote:
I guess I'm lucky, I have several series of books I'm waiting on 
(Anita Blake, Merry Gentry, The Princess Diaries, Goldy Bear
Mysteries and Harry Potter) so I'm experienced in waiting and get a 
bit of relief every now and again from the endless wait.

Erin:
I have all of those except the Goldy Bear mysteries.  Who writes them?

And add in Stephen King's Dark Tower series (about to be over, and 
god, I hope the final book is better than the last three stinkers, 
Book 3 was IMO his best book ever, but every one since has been 
crud), Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, Terry Goodkind's Sword of 
Truth, George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire, Orson Scott Card's 
Alvin Maker series, P.N. Elrod's Vampire Files, and Charlaine 
Harris's vampire books.

Would you believe it's STILL sometimes a long wait?  :-)

--Erin 




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 18:57:17 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:57:17 -0000
Subject: The door is open again
In-Reply-To: <004701c4893a$555c7e50$0301000a@DJZCB631>
Message-ID: <cgdemd+q0g8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Pam Hugonnet" 
<pbarhug at e...> wrote:
> Just was over checking out JKR's site--still chewing over all that 
information from the book festival--and noticed that the door is 
openable again.  But there's only darkness behind it.
> 
> drpam
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you review posts made last week, you will be able to solve the 
caper.  Also, you can go to mugglenet and find a link to help.  If 
you want to discover it on your own, start clicking in the 
darkness.  Prepare for a bit of frustration, though, unless you are 
lucky enough to click in the correct place right off the bat.

Julie




From rmmiller at gci.net  Mon Aug 23 16:56:28 2004
From: rmmiller at gci.net (Rhonda Miller)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:56:28 -0000
Subject: Help with JKR site
Message-ID: <cgd7js+313k@eGroups.com>

I open the door but nothing was there could someone please help me? 
is the clue just that, Black? or nothing? please help if you can.





From camilla at vaughan3.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Aug 23 20:12:27 2004
From: camilla at vaughan3.fsnet.co.uk (millimagus)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:12:27 -0000
Subject: Write faster Jo! (pretty please)
In-Reply-To: <20040823131235.86327.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cgdj3b+q8fn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> I agree completely!  I'd give up the website updates and games, 
the book
> signings Q&A, etc etc etc, if it meant getting the book a few 
months
> faster.
> 
> Sometimes, I wish I'd never started reading the books until they 
were all
> finished!  This waiting is the pits.
> 
> MJ
> 


My first post on any website ever (hi!)

I know what you mean about the waiting but if I had all the books in 
one go, I'd have finished them all in a week and be twiddling my 
thumbs. At least this way, we've got time to think about all the 
clues and what might happen (and dream about the next book!).

Of course, if HBP was in the shops tomorrow, I'd be camping outside 
tonight but still, it's not all bad.

Milli.




From lists at heidi8.com  Mon Aug 23 21:05:24 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:05:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Help with JKR site
In-Reply-To: <cgd7js+313k@eGroups.com>
References: <cgd7js+313k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f804082314056730b60b@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone who has questions about JKR's site, the best place to go for
answers, and screencaps, is http://www.potterskeys.com - they are well
organized and comprehensive!


----- Original Message -----
From: Rhonda Miller <rmmiller at gci.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:56:28 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Help with JKR site
To: hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com

I open the door but nothing was there could someone please help me? 
is the clue just that, Black? or nothing? please help if you can.




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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 00:09:42 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:09:42 -0000
Subject: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
Message-ID: <cge106+sqcg@eGroups.com>

Has anyone considered the possibility of a connection between the
Statute of Secrecy of 1692 and the Salem Witch Trials in the same
year? I realize that the trials took place in America, but
Massachusetts was a British colony at the time. (My ancestor, Martha
Carrier, was hanged there.)

If the question has already been answered, just point me in the right
direction.

Thanks,
Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 00:44:45 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:44:45 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cfq1i8+bun6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cge31u+shdc@eGroups.com>

Andromeda wrote:
>   Last week TLC had a link to an ALA article on the most reread 
> books and it got me to wondering.  It mentioned that the books we 
> tend to reread most are usually ones we encountered as 
> children/teens, and it gave a list of some of the most popular 
> (Harry Potter & Pride and Prejudice were the ones I identified 
> with). I can only think of two book series I've gotten hooked on 
> enough to reread (and reread and reread) since becoming an adult, 
> but there were plenty in the teen years.  IN fact, just thinking 
> about what I used to read made me crave some of them again. 
> 
>  So I'm wondering, what books do my fellow HP fanatics love outside 
> of HP? I'll list a few of my favorites:
> Elizabeth Peters' Amelia Peabody mysteries 
> AS Byatt's Possession (probably a sin to admit it here in HP world, 
> but I still love the book)
> Robin MCKinley's The Blue Sword (one of my all-time favorites, still)
> Anne McCaffery's Dragon books (the original 6)
> Dorothy Sayers' Lord Peter mysteries
> L'Engle's Wrinkle in Time and Swiftly Tilting Planet (first science 
> fiction book I ever read)
> Susan Cooper's Dark is Rising series
> Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently books
> Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea books
> David Eddings' Belgariad
> Peter Beagle  "The Last Unicorn"
> Narnia, some of Andre NOrton's old Witch World books
> RA MacAvoy "Tea with the Black Dragon" (probably kind of dated now, 
> but what a neat idea for a main character)
> 
> OK, that is or was my comfort food for the soul, when I need to 
> escape to another, familiar and comfortable world.  What do you 
> folks REread aside from Harry.


Carol:
I like the way you ask the question: Not "favorite" books but the
books we reread. I don't know about anyone else, but I go on binges,
obsessing about some particular topic (Australopithecines or Richard
III, for example). When the obsession is an author, say Tolkien, I
read everything I can find by that author. As a child, I used to read
everything I could find in a particular series, for example the We
Were There books (historical fiction with child protagonists) and the
Bobbsey Twins when I was seven. I read all of the Oz books when I was
about eleven and only reread one or two ("The Patchwork Girl of Oz"
was one of them). I also read all of the Louisa May Alcott books and
reread some of them, notably "Under the Lilacs," three or four times.
The first book I reread *obsessively* was "The Robe," part of a
lifelong interest in the ancient Greeks and Romans. At fifteen, I
discovered LOTR and reread it (appendices and all) once a year for
more than twenty years (till the Richard III obsession took over).
More recent favorites include books I didn't particularly enjoy when I
first read them as a teenager but rediscovered and fell in love with
when I taught them to my students in freshman composition courses
while working on my PhD: "Jane Eyre," "Pride and Prejudice," "Moby
Dick," to a lesser degree "Huckleberry Finn." (I was also studying the
English Romantic poets, but I wasn't rereading them for *fun*!)
Another recent favorite is Sharon Kay Penman's "The Sunne in
Splendour," not necessarily great literature, but I share her view of
Richard III, the most tragic and misunderstood figure in English
history. I still love Richard, but there's nothing new to discover
about him, so for the moment at least he's been displaced by HP.

To sum up, I think my reading interests are shaped by my interest in
history and my love of all things English. In the case of LOTR, it's a
vividly realized imaginary world I can escape to. In the case of Harry
Potter, it's a particular character (the endlessly fascinating Severus
Snape) I can discuss with similarly demented, erm, obsessed adults.

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 01:00:51 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:00:51 -0000
Subject: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cfqetg+7132@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cge403+ccip@eGroups.com>

> Neither of your guesses matched mine- Godric Gryffindor. The 
> comparisons to a lion? The mane, the yellow eyes....
> Or perhaps we're both right.. its Godric, the HBP? Yes, that MUST be 
> right.
> 
> Jason


Carol:
That's what I thought, too--that it's Godric *and* he's the HBP. How
he survives into the late twentieth cantury is another question (I
don't buy the time travel theory, especially for a thousand-year
journey). But the lionlike aspect of the character ties in with the
lion as mascot of Gryffindor House.

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 01:25:20 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:25:20 -0000
Subject: Newbie
In-Reply-To: <cfrg2r+p4r5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cge5e0+fib3@eGroups.com>

Luna wrote:
<snip>
> > As for the door/dartboard/ATM-thing .... :)   I think this is the 
> new 
> > DADA teacher.  At least that was my first thought when I read the 
> > clue this morning.  I hope she answers the faq poll next ... and 
> > soon.  :)  
> 
David responded:
> That would be my guess, too.  After all, it makes sense that this 
> extract describes a major character, and I'm guessing that we won't 
> have quite so many of these in the last two books.  However, the DADA 
> teacher is always someone completely new.  What's more, it's an 
> adult, not a student.
> 
> David, who thinks Lupin's dad has a cat in hell's chance of making an 
> appearance

Carol adds:
I know I just presented a different hypothesis, but what if the person
is simultaneously the DADA teacher, the heir of Godric Gryffindor (who
inherited his ancestor's lionlike traits), *and* the HBP?

Carol, who thinks that Lupin's father was the werewolf who bit him
(don't hit me!), but notes that his having been a professor at an
earlier date *would* explain the shabby suitcase with peeling letters




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 01:42:26 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:42:26 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <20040817090550.38625.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cge6e2+j5r5@eGroups.com>

Sam (I think) wrote:
<snip> 
> Lupin the elder came to my mind simply because of the "presence"
this new character has. Greying tawny hair sounds very similar to
Remus, although he is going grey prematurely of course.
> 
> The wire-rimmed spectacles imply a degree of poverty. (The family
fortune spent trying to find a cure for his son's lycanthropy of
course.)<snip>

> I should be too old for this fan girl buisness.  

Carol:
Interesting speculations/explanations about Lupin Sr. Sorry I snipped
them, but I don't have anything to add as I have a completely theory.
Just curious as to why you think "wire-rimmed spectacles imply a
degree of poverty." In the U.S., at least, they cost at as much as
plastic rims, and I wear them by choice because I like them.

Carol, who is also too old for this fan girl business but does it anyway




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 02:01:23 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:01:23 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??/Naw! It's got to be Alberforth!/And Other Things
In-Reply-To: <cftsod+cpp2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cge7hj+bv03@eGroups.com>

Dudemom_2000 wrote:
> I couldn't figure out why everyone thought of a Lupin family member. 
> My very first impression when I read the passage, was Oh! I bet this 
> is the new DADA teacher! My second thought was this has to be 
> Alberforth, Dumbledore's brother. For one, the description screams 
> Gryffindor and the spectacles reminded me of Dumbledore! Again, he 
> is another character that we have only had the smallest hint of. 
> Possibly we will find out that DD and his brother were actually a 
> lot like Fred and George.... Of course, we will probably be all 
> wrong and this is a totally new character that we haven't seen 
> before! 
> 
> Dina, I too appreciate your comments. I posted that I thought the 
> character might be Alberforth on the main list and got ignored as 
> usual. After a while it will show up in someone else's post as their 
> original idea....
> 
> Anyway. I will stand by my claim that it is Alberforth till JKR 
> proves us all wrong!

Carol:
It looks as if JKR has confirmed in her Edinburgh interview that
Aberforth (no "l") is the barkeeper in the Hog's Head (she was proud
of the goat smell clue). If you haven't done so already, you can read
the interview in the Daily News portion of her official site.

Carol




From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 06:41:02 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:41:02 -0000
Subject: Write faster Jo! (pretty please)
In-Reply-To: <cgdj3b+q8fn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgentu+tppl@eGroups.com>

Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
> wrote:
> > I agree completely!  I'd give up the website updates and games, 
> the book
> > signings Q&A, etc etc etc, if it meant getting the book a few 
> months
> > faster.
> > 
> > Sometimes, I wish I'd never started reading the books until they 
> were all
> > finished!  This waiting is the pits.
> > 
> > MJ
> > 
> 
> Milli:
> My first post on any website ever (hi!)
> 
> I know what you mean about the waiting but if I had all the books 
in 
> one go, I'd have finished them all in a week and be twiddling my 
> thumbs. At least this way, we've got time to think about all the 
> clues and what might happen (and dream about the next book!).
> 
> Of course, if HBP was in the shops tomorrow, I'd be camping 
outside 
> tonight but still, it's not all bad.
> 

Welcome Milli!
 I know what you mean.  I'm grateful I wasn't introduced to HP until 
after GOF was already out, but the wait adds a little excitement to 
life. (ok, enough excitement... I want BOOK 6!!!)...
Andromeda





From captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au  Tue Aug 24 11:59:05 2004
From: captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au (captain_suburbia)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:59:05 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cgc6lk+dis5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgfai9+b6dr@eGroups.com>

> HumanTupperware here: 

> I strongly reiterate that Perfume by Patrick Suskind is an absolute
winner...
> 
> If you enjoyed Perfume, another writer with similar style is
Jeanette Winterson, 
> most notably "The Passion", but all her books are fantastic.

Glad to find another who has read and enjoyed it; well done, you. 
I've not read anything else of his, though.  
Thanks for the recommendation of Jeanette Winterson, too.  I've heard
the name, but not read anything by her.  I'm currently looking for a
new author to read, so I'll follow that one up.

> "Skinny Legs and All" and "Still Life with Woodpecker" by Tom
Robbins are 
> fantastic, funny and multi layered books, but possibly not for those
of a 
> Christian perspective.........

Yes!  I've not read Tom Robbins for some time now, but I remember
being very taken with his books when I first picked them up about
fifteen years ago.  I'd say I've enjoyed "Jitterbug Perfume" the most
of all his books (the olfactory theme again!), but don't remember
quite WHY now.  As I say, it has been a while.  I have to say that I
became a little bored with old Mr Robbins once "Half Asleep in Frog
Pyjamas" came out.... found myself thinking, "Now, haven't I been here
before?"  He didn't seem to be really enjoying it the way I sensed he
did earlier on.  I think there's been something of his released in the
last few years, hasn't there?  

Thanks again for the recommendations.  

Love your user name, by the way, HumanTupperware.  I'm pleased to tell
you, in my Suburban way, that my fellow citizens have made Australia
the number one purchaser of Tupperware in the world.  That our
population is merely one tenth of that of the United States makes the
fact fan the flames of patriotism ever more strongly.  But still, it
would be a flinty heart indeed that isn't moved by an air-tight lid in
colours themed for your busy modern lifestyle, wouldn't you say? 

Yours,
Burbs   




From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Tue Aug 24 12:52:15 2004
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:52:15 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <cge6e2+j5r5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgfdlv+3pqr@eGroups.com>

I think the reason people think it might be Lupin's dad is because 
of the reference to animal characteristics. That is actually why I 
don't think it's Lupin's dad. JK has never made reference to Lupin's 
animal qualities, only that he gets a bit hairier before the full 
mooon, no mention of enhanced scent or sight.


> Carol, who is also too old for this fan girl business but does it 
anyway

I agree. Maybe we should start a list: Crones for HP.

Casey




From flitwicksman at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 13:11:50 2004
From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian Cordova)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:11:50 -0000
Subject: Write faster Jo! (pretty please)
In-Reply-To: <cgentu+tppl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgfeqm+kp82@eGroups.com>



  Ditto!  I also came in after GOF, and could not put them all down 
until finished (not to mention reread, reread...!).  The OOP release 
party was loads of fun though and I look forward to two more (can 
you imagine what it will be like when book 7 is announced?!  I hope 
that I'm not in the old folks home then.  I'll be down there in my 
wheelchair knocking the kids aside with my cane!!).

  Brian:-) 

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lavaluvn" <lavaluvn at y...> 
wrote:
> Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > I agree completely!  I'd give up the website updates and 
games, 
> > the book
> > > signings Q&A, etc etc etc, if it meant getting the book a few 
> > months
> > > faster.
> > > 
> > > Sometimes, I wish I'd never started reading the books until 
they 
> > were all
> > > finished!  This waiting is the pits.
> > > 
> > > MJ
> > > 
> > 
> > Milli:
> > My first post on any website ever (hi!)
> > 
> > I know what you mean about the waiting but if I had all the 
books 
> in 
> > one go, I'd have finished them all in a week and be twiddling my 
> > thumbs. At least this way, we've got time to think about all the 
> > clues and what might happen (and dream about the next book!).
> > 
> > Of course, if HBP was in the shops tomorrow, I'd be camping 
> outside 
> > tonight but still, it's not all bad.
> > 
> 
> Welcome Milli!
>  I know what you mean.  I'm grateful I wasn't introduced to HP 
until 
> after GOF was already out, but the wait adds a little excitement 
to 
> life. (ok, enough excitement... I want BOOK 6!!!)...
> Andromeda




From fotoger1 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 24 13:53:52 2004
From: fotoger1 at hotmail.com (Tory Santillie)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:53:52 -0500
Subject: Black family tree
Message-ID: <BAY2-F41O0TgkIsREXV0001b15a@hotmail.com>

I was just listening to OOP.  I do not have my text so cannot site a page, 
but I have a question from Chapter 6 when Sirius and Harry are looking at 
the Black Family Tree.  Sirius is pointing out where his name was blasted 
out and telling Harry about when he ran away from home.

". . .and then when I was 17 I got a place of my own.  My uncle Alfad 
(Alfaad?) had left me a decent bit of gold.  He's been wiped off here too.  
That's probably why . . .anyway, after that I looked after myself."

Has there been any discussion about Uncle Alfad on the lists?  Since I do 
not have my text, I am unsure on the spelling.  I did I quick search of the 
archives but nothing hit.  I wonder what Sirius was thinking?


Tory





From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Tue Aug 24 13:59:47 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:59:47 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cgfai9+b6dr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgfhkj+gkom@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "captain_suburbia" <
captain_suburbia at y...> wrote:
> > HumanTupperware here: 
> 
> > I strongly reiterate that Perfume by Patrick Suskind is an absolute
> winner...
> > 
> > If you enjoyed Perfume, another writer with similar style is
> Jeanette Winterson, 
> > most notably "The Passion", but all her books are fantastic.
> 
> Glad to find another who has read and enjoyed it; well done, you. 
> I've not read anything else of his, though.  
> Thanks for the recommendation of Jeanette Winterson, too.  I've heard
> the name, but not read anything by her.  I'm currently looking for a
> new author to read, so I'll follow that one up.
> 
> > "Skinny Legs and All" and "Still Life with Woodpecker" by Tom
> Robbins are 
> > fantastic, funny and multi layered books, but possibly not for those
> of a 
> > Christian perspective.........
> 
> Yes!  I've not read Tom Robbins for some time now, but I remember
> being very taken with his books when I first picked them up about
> fifteen years ago.  I'd say I've enjoyed "Jitterbug Perfume" the most
> of all his books (the olfactory theme again!), but don't remember
> quite WHY now.  As I say, it has been a while.  I have to say that I
> became a little bored with old Mr Robbins once "Half Asleep in Frog
> Pyjamas" came out.... found myself thinking, "Now, haven't I been here
> before?"  He didn't seem to be really enjoying it the way I sensed he
> did earlier on.  I think there's been something of his released in the
> last few years, hasn't there?  
> 
> Thanks again for the recommendations.  
> 
> Love your user name, by the way, HumanTupperware.  I'm pleased to tell
> you, in my Suburban way, that my fellow citizens have made Australia
> the number one purchaser of Tupperware in the world.  That our
> population is merely one tenth of that of the United States makes the
> fact fan the flames of patriotism ever more strongly.  But still, it
> would be a flinty heart indeed that isn't moved by an air-tight lid in
> colours themed for your busy modern lifestyle, wouldn't you say? 
> 
> Yours,
> Burbs

HumanTupperware again:

Half asleep in frog pyjamas is an anomaly for old Tom Robbins, no robbins 
fan I know enjoyed it.

As for the Tupperware thing....I had no idea that aussies were so into it! I 
originally came up for the name as a reaction against apartment buildings in 
Melbourne, I thought they were like putting people in plastic containers to 
live..........

Though I must say I have always had a love for those icypole maker thingys 
tupperware make........such childhood memories....

this is inane. sorry.

HumanTupperware.






From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Tue Aug 24 14:11:34 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:11:34 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <cgfdlv+3pqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgfiam+3f1n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Casey" <caseylane at w...> 
wrote:
> I think the reason people think it might be Lupin's dad is because 
> of the reference to animal characteristics. That is actually why I 
> don't think it's Lupin's dad. JK has never made reference to Lupin's 
> animal qualities, only that he gets a bit hairier before the full 
> mooon, no mention of enhanced scent or sight.
> 
> 
> > Carol, who is also too old for this fan girl business but does it 
> anyway
> 
> I agree. Maybe we should start a list: Crones for HP.
> 
> Casey


HumanTupperware here: (who only wrote her first post ever last week, and is 
now replying willy nilly here and on the main list....ooooh addictive)

So far I haven't heard a single theory on this mystery lion man that I agree 
with, except of course, the likelihood that it is the DADA teacher.....

I can't imagine any reason why luipin's dad would suddenly enter into the 
story.....and I'm sure that JK has sunk the Romulous theory in an interview....

Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head and has innappropriate relations 
with goats......this new character sounds waaaaay to dignified to be him.....If 
Aberforth is going to be in the new book, I think he will be doing more vaguely 
innappropriate things......

Godric Griffindor is soooooo dead. There ain't no time travellin' that's gonna 
get that one back.......

as for the HBP......NONE of us have the faintest idea who the hell he is.......so 
worth the speculating, but I find that a bit of an unsatisfying conclusion.....I just 
don't think JK would give us a description of him.....especially considering that 
we are turning ourselves inside out trying to figure out who it is.....we've had 
practically every male character up as a potential so far.....

I have no idea who the lion man is, I'm just not convinced by any of the 
theories I've heard yet....

cheers,
HumanTupperware




From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Tue Aug 24 14:12:21 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:12:21 -0000
Subject: I am the lion - coo coo ca choo
In-Reply-To: <cgfdlv+3pqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgfic5+l7m4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Casey" <caseylane at w...> 
wrote:
> I think the reason people think it might be Lupin's dad is because 
> of the reference to animal characteristics. That is actually why I 
> don't think it's Lupin's dad. JK has never made reference to Lupin's 
> animal qualities, only that he gets a bit hairier before the full 
> mooon, no mention of enhanced scent or sight.
> 
> 
> > Carol, who is also too old for this fan girl business but does it 
> anyway
> 
> I agree. Maybe we should start a list: Crones for HP.
> 
> Casey


HumanTupperware here: (who only wrote her first post ever last week, and is 
now replying willy nilly here and on the main list....ooooh addictive)

So far I haven't heard a single theory on this mystery lion man that I agree 
with, except of course, the likelihood that it is the DADA teacher.....

I can't imagine any reason why luipin's dad would suddenly enter into the 
story.....and I'm sure that JK has sunk the Romulous theory in an interview....

Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head and has innappropriate relations 
with goats......this new character sounds waaaaay to dignified to be him.....If 
Aberforth is going to be in the new book, I think he will be doing more vaguely 
innappropriate things......

Godric Griffindor is soooooo dead. There ain't no time travellin' that's gonna 
get that one back.......

as for the HBP......NONE of us have the faintest idea who the hell he is.......so 
worth the speculating, but I find that a bit of an unsatisfying conclusion.....I just 
don't think JK would give us a description of him.....especially considering that 
we are turning ourselves inside out trying to figure out who it is.....we've had 
practically every male character up as a potential so far.....

I have no idea who the lion man is, I'm just not convinced by any of the 
theories I've heard yet....

cheers,
HumanTupperware




From fotoger1 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 24 14:45:40 2004
From: fotoger1 at hotmail.com (Tory Santillie)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:45:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Black family tree
Message-ID: <BAY2-F17n3FIJqWMLuu0008c71a@hotmail.com>

I just sent a message about Uncle Alphard in which I spelled his name Alfad.
I found the correct spelling in the Lexicon:  Uncle Alphard.  JKR doesn't 
tend to let drop a question that doesn't get answered does she?  Seems like, 
by the way Sirius said, "Maybe that's why . . .anyway . ." that there will 
be more info on Alphard doesn't it?

Tory





From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 15:11:53 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:11:53 -0000
Subject: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <cge106+sqcg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgflrp+1fni@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> Has anyone considered the possibility of a connection between the
> Statute of Secrecy of 1692 and the Salem Witch Trials in the same
> year? I realize that the trials took place in America, but
> Massachusetts was a British colony at the time. (My ancestor, 
Martha
> Carrier, was hanged there.)
> 
> If the question has already been answered, just point me in the 
right
> direction.
> 
> Thanks,
> Carol

I don't know if it's been discussed, but it seems like a sound 
connection to me.  IMO, the distance between Massachusettes and the 
British Isles is not that great in the Wizarding World because of 
the ability to apparate.  Who's to say that when the witch fever 
spread in Salem that the "real" wizards in the Potterverse didn't 
apparate to Britain/Europe, which could be one explanation why in 
the Potterverse we do not hear of any wizarding schools in the 
colonies.  

I like the idea!

Julie




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 15:15:39 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:15:39 -0000
Subject: I am the lion - coo coo ca choo
In-Reply-To: <cgfic5+l7m4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgfm2s+9f5c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "humantupperware1" 
<humantupperware1 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Casey" <caseylane at w...> 
> wrote:
> > I think the reason people think it might be Lupin's dad is 
because 
> > of the reference to animal characteristics. That is actually why 
I 
> > don't think it's Lupin's dad. JK has never made reference to 
Lupin's 
> > animal qualities, only that he gets a bit hairier before the 
full 
> > mooon, no mention of enhanced scent or sight.
> > 
> > 
> > > Carol, who is also too old for this fan girl business but does 
it 
> > anyway
> > 
> > I agree. Maybe we should start a list: Crones for HP.
> > 
> > Casey
> 
> 
> HumanTupperware here: (who only wrote her first post ever last 
week, and is 
> now replying willy nilly here and on the main list....ooooh 
addictive)
> 
> So far I haven't heard a single theory on this mystery lion man 
that I agree 
> with, except of course, the likelihood that it is the DADA 
teacher.....
> 
> I can't imagine any reason why luipin's dad would suddenly enter 
into the 
> story.....and I'm sure that JK has sunk the Romulous theory in an 
interview....
> 
> Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head and has 
innappropriate relations 
> with goats......this new character sounds waaaaay to dignified to 
be him.....If 
> Aberforth is going to be in the new book, I think he will be doing 
more vaguely 
> innappropriate things......
> 
> Godric Griffindor is soooooo dead. There ain't no time travellin' 
that's gonna 
> get that one back.......
> 
> as for the HBP......NONE of us have the faintest idea who the hell 
he is.......so 
> worth the speculating, but I find that a bit of an unsatisfying 
conclusion.....I just 
> don't think JK would give us a description of him.....especially 
considering that 
> we are turning ourselves inside out trying to figure out who it 
is.....we've had 
> practically every male character up as a potential so far.....
> 
> I have no idea who the lion man is, I'm just not convinced by any 
of the 
> theories I've heard yet....
> 
> cheers,
> HumanTupperware

Perhaps he's looking for his heart in a witch's wardrobe.  oh...too 
confusing...

julie...muttering to herself




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Aug 24 17:44:13 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:44:13 -0000
Subject: Most re-read books
Message-ID: <cgfupd+pe7u@eGroups.com>

All of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books.  They get better and better 
as they go on, and yield more with each re-reading.  Plus he doesn't 
keep you waiting for years between books and the quality of writing 
is by no means inferior to JKR's. (Admittedly there is little danger 
of him becoming pregnant).
Sylvia (who shares Carol's wish that something new could be 
discovered about Richard III.  Loyalty continues to bind me)





From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 18:18:19 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:18:19 -0000
Subject: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cge403+ccip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgg0pb+la5q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> > Neither of your guesses matched mine- Godric Gryffindor. 

What I reckon is...
It will have nothing to do with time turners or travelling in time, 
but Harry will come across the "image" of Godric.  Much as Godric's 
sword came to his aid in CoS, Godric's image or memory (in a 
painting,book, diary, special gift to special members of Gryffindor 
house - whatever) will convey that he (Godric) is/was a half blood 
prince (indefinite article here)and in some way, like the memory of 
his parents and sirius help him do the right thing, Godric will 
become a further motivational tool for him.
Thats just what I think anyway
Sarah
(about to re-read OoP in new paperback edition)




From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 18:21:42 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:21:42 -0000
Subject: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cge403+ccip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgg0vm+5nkb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> > Neither of your guesses matched mine- Godric Gryffindor. 

What I reckon is...
It will have nothing to do with time turners or travelling in time, 
but Harry will come across the "image" of Godric.  Much as Godric's 
sword came to his aid in CoS, Godric's image or memory (in a 
painting,book, diary, special gift to special members of Gryffindor 
house - whatever) will convey that he (Godric) is/was a half blood 
prince (indefinite article here)and in some way, like the memory of 
his parents and sirius help him do the right thing, Godric will 
become a further motivational tool for him.
Thats just what I think anyway
Sarah
(about to re-read OoP in new paperback edition)




From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 18:40:31 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:40:31 -0000
Subject: Only read this if you got past the door
Message-ID: <cgg22v+9v3f@eGroups.com>

My instinct was that the description was of Godric, but it is rather 
obvious.  I'm thinking as I'm writing here...maybe it is the 
description in Harry's head (and I'm assuming the description is from 
Harry as every scene has him in it), maybe the description that this 
man (thing?) in front of him looks rather like an old lion makes him 
realise it might be Godric...
But it could be his paternal grandad or something...(I feel Lily's 
father would probably have green eyes)...
or Aberforth...
or Leo...
He's definitely old, graceful but loping...
He sounds like a goodie, positive words...could be anyone really 
couldn't it?  And then they are not necessarily the HBP are they?  
Why to twist myself in so many knots?
No answers as usual
Sarah xx




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Aug 24 20:32:09 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:32:09 -0000
Subject: Lupin's dad??
In-Reply-To: <cgfiam+3f1n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgg8k9+i80k@eGroups.com>

humantupperware wrote:

> So far I haven't heard a single theory on this mystery lion man 
that I agree 
> with, except of course, the likelihood that it is the DADA 
teacher.....

I think I agree with this. 

> Godric Griffindor is soooooo dead. There ain't no time travellin' 
that's gonna 
> get that one back.......

Again, yes, but I'm not sure we can completely rule out that Harry 
sees him or a contemporary of his.  I agree that it's a bit much for 
Harry to time travel 1000 years, but JKR may produce a magical 
device that allows one to look back a long way in time.  What, for 
example, happens to the thoughts in a Pensieve when their owner 
dies?  And would Riddle's diary have continued to work if it had 
stayed intact and Voldemort had died?

On the whole I do think though that the person in the extract from 
HBP is a modern person, while the HBP himself may well be a 
historical person.

David




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 21:13:24 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:13:24 -0000
Subject: Black family tree
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F17n3FIJqWMLuu0008c71a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <cggb1k+aukk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tory Santillie" 
<fotoger1 at h...> wrote:
> I just sent a message about Uncle Alphard in which I spelled his 
name Alfad. I found the correct spelling in the Lexicon:  Uncle 
Alphard.  JKR doesn't tend to let drop a question that doesn't get 
answered does she?  Seems like, by the way Sirius said, "Maybe 
that's why . . .anyway . ." that there will be more info on Alphard 
doesn't it?
> 
> Tory

*****\(@@)/*****

Cheer up about the mispelling! It was late and I was having some 
major brain farts when I made my "Alberforth" mistake - and I am 
still hearing about it! :D (Maybe your L turned into a page runner 
and jumped into Aberforth ala Thursday Next!) and it is entirely 
possible that JKR might give us a bit more. She mentioned Mark Evans 
more than once, even though he just turned out to be a bit 
character! Sometimes the little background people turn out to be 
very interesting.....

Dudemom_2000 who is currently rereading the Thursday Next Series by 
Jasper Fforde and trying to fend off grammasites!

*****\(@@)/*****




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 21:46:37 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:46:37 -0000
Subject: article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
Message-ID: <cggcvt+poit@eGroups.com>

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1075038.html

It says that single women find men reading HP uncool.

  Heavens, look how many females there are on HP4GU.  You'd think the 
article author would notice it could be a conversation starter for 
lots of women!

Anyhow...

--Aj




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 21:53:46 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:53:46 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?/Lupin's Dad/JKR appointment
In-Reply-To: <cgc6lk+dis5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cggdda+uta4@eGroups.com>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23976

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "humantupperware1" 
<humantupperware1 at y...> wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "captain_suburbia" <
> captain_suburbia at y...> wrote:

> > OK, favorite books; I just HAVE to chime in here!  Not that my 
tastes seems to correspond to what's already been stated here, but, 
still; here are a few that I've really enjoyed, so if someone else 
picks them up and gets something out of them then so much the better.
> > 
> > - Most recent re-read is Perfume by Patrick Suskind.  Dark; 
ironic; rich, rich language; told through the sense of smell, so 
interesting for that reason if no other.  Read it!
> > 
> 
> HumanTupperware here: 
> 
> I have to reply here too, even though I don't tend to read many 
fantsy/sf books.......I strongly reiterate that Perfume by Patrick 
Suskind is an absolute winner...
> 
> If you enjoyed Perfume, another writer with similar style is 
Jeanette Winterson, most notably "The Passion", but all her books 
are fantastic.
>
Dudemom_2000 says:
I also strongly agree with captain_suburbia and HumanTupperware 
about Perfume. I read it a while back and thought it was a 
tremendous book. I am not sure I have ever read anything quite like 
it! Also thanks for the additonal recommendation, I am always on the 
lookout for new things to read.

Snip

HumanTupperware continues:
> Also, those who are still finding it hard to read something whilst 
waiting for the new Harry to come out might want to give 
the "sandman" comics by Neil Gaiman a try, his world is equally rich 
and complex in mythology and the psyche.....
> 
> there's my little contibution.....
> cheers,
> 
> HumanTupperware

Dudemom_2000 says:
 I just discovered Neil Gaiman and read Neverwhere -another very 
interesting book...

I am rereading Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next series (The Eyre 
Affair, Lost in a Good Book, The Well of Lost Plots and Something 
Rotten). Also I have books on audio cd and listen to different ones 
while driving to work. Two of those types of books I really 
recommend are Seabiscuit read by Campbell Scott (the book is also 
just wonderful to read) and the other is The Pleasure of my Company 
written and read by Steve Martin - truely brilliant!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24000

"humantupperware1" <humantupperware1 at y...> 
Date:  Tue Aug 24, 2004  10:11 am 
Subject:  Re: Lupin's dad??

Snip
So far I haven't heard a single theory on this mystery lion man that 
I agree with, except of course, the likelihood that it is the DADA 
teacher.....

Dudemom_2000 says:

After intially falling on my sword about Aberforth, I am now not so 
sure other than possibly a new teacher. Since Harry really isn't in 
a position to meet many new people other than teachers except if he 
would be in Diagon Alley or Hogsmeade. Whomever it is, Harry 
obviously gets to meet him up close and personal because we don't 
that detailed a description otherwise....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23965
"davewitley" <dfrankiswork at n...> 
Date:  Sat Aug 21, 2004  5:58 pm 
Subject:  JKR appointment?

I have been taking a closer look at the revamped 'extras' page of
JKR's website, the one you get by clicking on the mug.

Snip

However, the one that really interested me was the note at the top,
pinned partly behind the main sheet containing the extras
themselves. It appears to say:

14/09/04
Shepperton Studio
Middlesex

I'm not the most careful reader of The Leaky Cauldron, but I don't
recall seeing any mention of anything to happen on that date. Can
anyone enlighten me? I suppose a visit to Shepperton might be a
private affair, but if so, why advertise it on her website? Isn't
that just a recipe for large numbers of fans to congregate hopefully
outside the gate that day?

Snip

Dudemom_2000 says: 

Dave! You saw it too! I would love to be there outside the studio on 
that date. I bet she put it there to see who notices.... Obviously 
we need to pay even more attention to that bulletin board. 

Dudemom_2000 (who is fighting off The Dude who is meowing and wants 
his snack NOW)

*****\(@@)/*****






From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 22:32:44 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:32:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THose who got past the door
In-Reply-To: <cgg0pb+la5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040824223244.87109.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:

> What I reckon is...
> It will have nothing to do with time turners or
> travelling in time, 
> but Harry will come across the "image" of Godric. 
> Much as Godric's 
> sword came to his aid in CoS, Godric's image or
> memory (in a 
> painting,book, diary, special gift to special
> members of Gryffindor 
> house - whatever) will convey that he (Godric)
> is/was a half blood 
> prince 

I like your theory, and the more I think about it the
more it makes sense to me that the figure described is
Godric, or at least his heir. This being a magical
world and all, I don't think it's impossible for it to
be the man himself. But some less tangible aspect of
him, lingering somehow at Hogwarts, is also possible.
I wonder if the Room of Requirement could come into
play here. If one needed the advice of one of the
founders - or any dead person for that matter - could
a Room of Requirement provide that??

Sara Lanthiriel


		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 22:34:40 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:34:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
In-Reply-To: <cggcvt+poit@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040824223440.10730.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1075038.html
> 
> It says that single women find men reading HP
> uncool.

I'd be thrilled to spot a guy reading HP. Heck, I'd be
thrilled to spot a guy reading.

;) Sara Lanthiriel


	
		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 22:37:30 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:37:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <cge106+sqcg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040824223730.5428.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>


--- justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Has anyone considered the possibility of a
> connection between the
> Statute of Secrecy of 1692 and the Salem Witch
> Trials in the same
> year? I realize that the trials took place in
> America, but
> Massachusetts was a British colony at the time. (My
> ancestor, Martha
> Carrier, was hanged there.)

Wow. This may not be allowed on list, but I would love
to hear more about your ancestor and how you found out
about her.

Sara Lanthiriel


		
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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 24 22:52:59 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:52:59 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
In-Reply-To: <20040824223440.10730.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c48a2d$1b8d6830$0400a8c0@pensive>

Me too!  If I met a guy who enjoyed HP, I'd be thrilled.  it would show he
can have fun and get carried away with a story and read books.  I'd know we
would be able to discuss something important to me, reading.  I'd really
like it.

Sherry




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 05:51:09 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:51:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <20040823094529.80354.qmail@web25305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040825055109.44533.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh!  I just remembered some additional books... 
'Good Omens' by Neil Geiman and Terry Pratchett
'Youth in Revolt' by C.D Payne (you need a dictionary with this one but it's quite funny)
I couldn't get into 'Perfume' though it's been ten years or longer.  But it is also one of those books that sticks with you (and obviously I didn't finish it).  
 
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From captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au  Wed Aug 25 07:55:56 2004
From: captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au (captain_suburbia)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:55:56 -0000
Subject: Most reread books...?
In-Reply-To: <cgfhkj+gkom@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cghgmc+mpaa@eGroups.com>

> HumanTupperware again:
> 
> Half asleep in frog pyjamas is an anomaly for old Tom Robbins, no
robbins 
> fan I know enjoyed it.
> 
> As for the Tupperware thing....I had no idea that aussies were so
into it! I 
> originally came up for the name as a reaction against apartment
buildings in 
> Melbourne, I thought they were like putting people in plastic
containers to 
> live..........
> 
> Though I must say I have always had a love for those icypole maker
thingys 
> tupperware make........such childhood memories....
> 
> this is inane. sorry.
> 
> HumanTupperware.

INANE?!  Nothing of the sort! Do I take it from your Melbourne comment
that you're Australian too?  If so, I'll tell you that I heard a
fabulous little article on Tupperware on Radio National, which is
where I learned of our Special Relationship with said storage
articles.  Most amusing.  And, yes, the icy pole thingos... didn't the
stick bit in those feel good to chew?  My mother could never
understand it, but I'm sure *you* do, HT. ;)

Yeah, I lived in Melbourne for a while, and was horrified to see those
Housing Commission flats in Fitzroy, etc.  Truly human storage. 
Although I had to laugh when I saw the monstrous one over at
Williamstown; built at a time when Williamstown was down and out, now
it has prime waterfront location in a fashionable suburb with
sensational water and city views!  Score one for the little guy!  

As for Frog Pyjamas... I've not spoken to other Robbins readers about
it, so it's interesting to hear that I'm not alone in thinking it
rather... well, crappy.  Oh well, the poor man's not a novel machine;
we all have our less glorious moments.  I've gotten a lot out of his
other books, including inspiration for a series of paintings, so all
is forgiven. 

Burbs
Who needs to get back to her packing because the removalist turns up
at 11am tomorrow 




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 13:11:39 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:11:39 -0000
Subject: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <20040824223730.5428.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cgi36b+nnus@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, 

 
> --- justcarol67 <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone considered the possibility of a
> > connection between the
> > Statute of Secrecy of 1692 and the Salem Witch
> > Trials in the same
> > year? I realize that the trials took place in
> > America, but
> > Massachusetts was a British colony at the time. (My
> > ancestor, Martha
> > Carrier, was hanged there.)

 
> Wow. This may not be allowed on list, but I would love
> to hear more about your ancestor and how you found out
> about her.
> 
> Sara Lanthiriel



Oh, me, too!  Me, too!  I think that is fascinating about the witch 
trials and the statute.  This is off topic chatter, right?  I'll be 
waiting!

Alora :)





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 13:18:24 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
In-Reply-To: <00e401c48a2d$1b8d6830$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <20040825131824.29934.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>

Seeing ANYONE reading HP is a cause for striking up a conversation.  

If he's on a beach and has an extra frozen drink with a little umbrella
sticking out of it, I'm sold!  :)

MJ


--- Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Me too!  If I met a guy who enjoyed HP, I'd be thrilled.  it would show
> he
> can have fun and get carried away with a story and read books.  I'd know
> we
> would be able to discuss something important to me, reading.  I'd really
> like it.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 


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From TonyaMinton at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 25 13:58:58 2004
From: TonyaMinton at hotmail.com (tonyaminton)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:58:58 -0000
Subject: article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
In-Reply-To: <cggcvt+poit@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgi5v2+inf8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1075038.html
> 
> It says that single women find men reading HP uncool.
> 
>   Heavens, look how many females there are on HP4GU.  You'd think 
the 
> article author would notice it could be a conversation starter for 
> lots of women!
> 
> Anyhow...
> 
> --Aj

Tonya Here--  

I would like to say that after reading this article I am very upset.  
I would be very impressed with any man for reading Harry Potter.  I 
of course would grill them to see if they "really" read the series.  
But still it would totally get my attention.

Tonya




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 14:01:43 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: This week's Birthdays (Aug 18 - 25)
Message-ID: <20040825140143.8185.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, I know I should be doing this at the beginning of
the week, not the end. I apologise for being so
scattered. 

*looks abashed and runs off in search of decorations*

Okay, I'm back. Doesn't the room look more festive now
that I have the lights, balloons and streamers up? 

This week's birthday honourees were Ali (Aug 21), Joy
(Aug 23), Mike (Aberforth's Goat)(Aug 23), Abbie
(starling823)(Aug 23) and Jo Serenadust (Aug 25).
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Ali at: ali at zymurgy.org, to Joy at:
joyw at gwu.edu, to Mike at: mike at aberforthsgoat.net, to
Abbie at: starling823 at yahoo.com and to Jo Serenadust
at: jmmmears at comcast.net

I hope all of you had very special days, filled with
magic, joy, much love and the requisite HP goodness. 

Happy Birthday, Ali!
Happy Birthday, Joy!
Happy Birthday, Mike!
Happy Birthday, Abbie!
Happy Birthday, Jo!

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From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Wed Aug 25 14:45:51 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:45:51 -0000
Subject: Godric Griffindor
In-Reply-To: <20040824223244.87109.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cgi8mv+ajpi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- Sarah <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> 
> > What I reckon is...
> > It will have nothing to do with time turners or
> > travelling in time, 
> > but Harry will come across the "image" of Godric. 
> > Much as Godric's 
> > sword came to his aid in CoS, Godric's image or
> > memory (in a 
> > painting,book, diary, special gift to special
> > members of Gryffindor 
> > house - whatever) will convey that he (Godric)
> > is/was a half blood 
> > prince 
> 
> I like your theory, and the more I think about it the
> more it makes sense to me that the figure described is
> Godric, or at least his heir. This being a magical
> world and all, I don't think it's impossible for it to
> be the man himself. But some less tangible aspect of
> him, lingering somehow at Hogwarts, is also possible.
> I wonder if the Room of Requirement could come into
> play here. If one needed the advice of one of the
> founders - or any dead person for that matter - could
> a Room of Requirement provide that??
> 
> Sara Lanthiriel
> 

HumanTupperware:


Now this is a better theory! And now I'm kicking myself that I didn't think of it 
myself.....though I do have something to add.....

If indeed we are talking about a picture of GG, my assumption would be that 
all you would have to do to have a chat with old Godric is wander into 
Dumbledore's office......we know he has portraits of all the old headmasters/
mistresses....why not the founder/s as well? 

but even more intriguing.....if indeed there are portraits of the founders, where 
is Salazar's portrait? Certainly would have been useful in CoS!!

cheers,

HumanTupperware 
> 
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From humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au  Wed Aug 25 14:52:50 2004
From: humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au (humantupperware1)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:52:50 -0000
Subject: melbourne/tupperware/tom robbins
In-Reply-To: <cghgmc+mpaa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgi942+jf7f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "captain_suburbia" <
captain_suburbia at y...> wrote:
> > HumanTupperware again:
> > 
> > Half asleep in frog pyjamas is an anomaly for old Tom Robbins, no
> robbins 
> > fan I know enjoyed it.
> > 
> > As for the Tupperware thing....I had no idea that aussies were so
> into it! I 
> > originally came up for the name as a reaction against apartment
> buildings in 
> > Melbourne, I thought they were like putting people in plastic
> containers to 
> > live..........
> > 
> > Though I must say I have always had a love for those icypole maker
> thingys 
> > tupperware make........such childhood memories....
> > 
> > this is inane. sorry.
> > 
> > HumanTupperware.
> 
> INANE?!  Nothing of the sort! Do I take it from your Melbourne comment
> that you're Australian too?  If so, I'll tell you that I heard a
> fabulous little article on Tupperware on Radio National, which is
> where I learned of our Special Relationship with said storage
> articles.  Most amusing.  And, yes, the icy pole thingos... didn't the
> stick bit in those feel good to chew?  My mother could never
> understand it, but I'm sure *you* do, HT. ;)
> 
> Yeah, I lived in Melbourne for a while, and was horrified to see those
> Housing Commission flats in Fitzroy, etc.  Truly human storage. 
> Although I had to laugh when I saw the monstrous one over at
> Williamstown; built at a time when Williamstown was down and out, now
> it has prime waterfront location in a fashionable suburb with
> sensational water and city views!  Score one for the little guy!  
> 
> As for Frog Pyjamas... I've not spoken to other Robbins readers about
> it, so it's interesting to hear that I'm not alone in thinking it
> rather... well, crappy.  Oh well, the poor man's not a novel machine;
> we all have our less glorious moments.  I've gotten a lot out of his
> other books, including inspiration for a series of paintings, so all
> is forgiven. 
> 
> Burbs
> Who needs to get back to her packing because the removalist turns up
> at 11am tomorrow


hello from HumanTupperware:

Yes, I am indeed Australian, and find the aussie HPFGU list quite slow.......

This thread is getting rather personal now, so sorry to those who are finding 
this boring, but I wanted to let you know that right at this very moment I am 
working on some paintings loosely based on Skinny Legs and All.........

aaaahhhhhh....synchronicity..........

Also, apparently there is a new generation of young women getting into 
tupperware....I know a 23 year old woman who loves it....has the parties and 
everything!

hee hee hee

cheers, 

HumanTupperware





From erinellii at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 15:23:17 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:23:17 -0000
Subject: article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
In-Reply-To: <cggcvt+poit@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgiat5+8148@eGroups.com>

I find it funny that the source of this information is a survey by 
Penguin, a publisher with a large classics division, and therefore a 
rival of Scholastic's on the school reading list front. 

I also find it suspicious that they have Tracey Cox (who is published 
by Penguin) reccomending-- what else?-- CLASSICS for men to carry to 
the beach and read.

Analyzing her sentence, I can spot no less than three ways Ms. Cox 
(is that her real name? What are the chances a "relationship expert" 
with a book called "Supersex" would really be named Cox?) is a sell-
out.  

First, she's clearly recommended exactly the type of book her 
publisher told her to.  

Second, what kind of expert would recomend getting women by 
pretending to be someone you're not?  It's essentially lying to 
people to pretend to enjoy a type of book you do not, and if you 
actually do hook up with someone that way, are you stuck with reading 
boring books forever?

Thirdly, any "relationship expert" who uses the word "swoon" in a 
sentence about modern women should be shot.  Period.

I do find it encouraging that Penguin feels enough men are reading 
Harry Potter on the beach that a trumped-up survey is nessacery to 
stop them.

Long Live HP!  On the beach and elsewhere!

--Erin





 "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1075038.html
> 
> It says that single women find men reading HP uncool.




From corvus_three at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 15:35:12 2004
From: corvus_three at yahoo.com (corvus_three)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:35:12 -0000
Subject: article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
In-Reply-To: <cgi5v2+inf8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgibjg+33p9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "tonyaminton" 
<TonyaMinton at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> 
wrote:
> > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1075038.html
> > 
> > It says that single women find men reading HP uncool.
> > 
> >   Heavens, look how many females there are on HP4GU.  You'd think 
> the 
> > article author would notice it could be a conversation starter 
for 
> > lots of women!
> > 
> > Anyhow...
> > 
> > --Aj
> 
> Tonya Here--  
> 
> I would like to say that after reading this article I am very 
upset.  
> I would be very impressed with any man for reading Harry Potter.  I 
> of course would grill them to see if they "really" read the 
series.  
> But still it would totally get my attention.
> 
> Tonya

My god!  Does everyone here think men don't read?  And especially not 
HP?  I'm hurt!

Trey





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Wed Aug 25 19:01:46 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:01:46 EDT
Subject: Sara - Room of Requirement
Message-ID: <146.31e322a7.2e5e3c1a@aol.com>

Hi Sara,
I'm enjoying reading your theories about Godric and now the Room of 
requirement, and how they may associate.  As a sidebar, have you notived at JK's 
website, the Drawing on the bulletin board that shows a 'dartboard' and arrows 
pointing to the 'Room of Requirement'?  I wish I could read what is written on that 
piece of paper before the other papers launch and cover it up!  I think it 
might very well give us clues to book 6.

I want so badly for Harry to connect with his parents somehow ... maybe your 
assumption of the RoR will hold true and in there he will contact them, Sirius 
and anyone else he needs guidance from in future stories.

Luna ......... thinking out loud.


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From khastiicatz at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 00:21:08 2004
From: khastiicatz at yahoo.com (khastiicatz)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:21:08 -0000
Subject: Hello everyone?
Message-ID: <cgjadk+20oc@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!

I've just joined this group (and the main HPFGU group) to see what it
was all about. I've heard it mentioned several times, and I would have
joined if I was old enough then.

I'm 13 years old; my birthday was a few weeks ago. My name is Khastii
or Kristi, whichever you want to call me. I really love reading and
writing, and, when I'm not playing or in school, I spend a lot of my
time thinking and making theories about things in books, especially
the Harry Potter series.

Because of that, this seems to be the perfect place for me! :) Most of
the groups I've joined in the past just talk about how hot Oliver Wood
is and things like that. 

Anyway, I hope I have a great time here! :)

Khastii





From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 02:44:39 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Random Question
Message-ID: <20040826024439.62576.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com>

I lost the case for my Quidditch World Cup game and
this of course means that I can't install the game. I
completely forgot that when my parent's computer was
fixed it wiped the game from the hard drive. I don't
know if it will work, but is anyone willing to send me
the code from their box so I can try it and try to
install the game? I hate this whole number thing
because then if you misplace the box (or take the game
to college and leave the box at home) you can't
install the game. Ok, I'll stop complaining now:)

~Kathryn, who's experiencing Quidditch withdrawl.


		
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From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 03:09:17 2004
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:09:17 -0000
Subject: I am the lion - coo coo ca choo
In-Reply-To: <cgfm2s+9f5c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgjk8t+qddg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "humantupperware1" 
> <humantupperware1 at y...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Casey" <caseylane at w...> 
> > wrote:
> > > I think the reason people think it might be Lupin's dad is 
> because 
> > > of the reference to animal characteristics. That is actually 
why 
> I 
> > > don't think it's Lupin's dad. JK has never made reference to 
> Lupin's 
> > > animal qualities, only that he gets a bit hairier before the 
> full 
> > > mooon, no mention of enhanced scent or sight.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Carol, who is also too old for this fan girl business but 
does 
> it 
> > > anyway
> > > 
> > > I agree. Maybe we should start a list: Crones for HP.
> > > 
> > > Casey
> > 
> > 
> > HumanTupperware here: (who only wrote her first post ever last 
> week, and is 
> > now replying willy nilly here and on the main list....ooooh 
> addictive)
> > 
> > So far I haven't heard a single theory on this mystery lion man 
> that I agree 
> > with, except of course, the likelihood that it is the DADA 
> teacher.....<SNIP>

While I was reading this thread a thought struck me in the side of 
the head....could the "lion man" be a Weasley relative?

Cyndi...who doesn't post often, but lurks constantly.




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 26 03:22:12 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:22:12 -0000
Subject: article suggests men should avoid HP books at the beach
In-Reply-To: <cggcvt+poit@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgjl14+pogs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1075038.html
> 
> It says that single women find men reading HP uncool.
> 
>   Heavens, look how many females there are on HP4GU.  You'd think 
the 
> article author would notice it could be a conversation starter for 
> lots of women!
> 
I'm reminded of an old Jules Feiffer cartoon from the 60s- this meek 
sensitive guy tries to pick up an attractive young woman on the beach 
who he happens to note is reading Proust - he begins with some inane 
chatter about the weather and then tries to establish his 
intellectual bona-fides by discoursing literately to her about the 
great French novelist, until the woman rudely tells him to get lost. 

Totally humiliated, our hero withdraws but consoles himself with the 
idea that the woman probably wanted to be left alone, and therefore 
wasn't willing to tolerate anyone's approach - until he hears (via 
off-panel balloons) another conversation that starts off identically 
to his ("You'd think there'd be a breeze down here by the ocean, but 
there's not") until it comes to the Reading Material. "P - R - O - 
U...." says the male interlocuter. "Oh, I don't feel like reading, 
let's go for a swim." says the woman. The penultimate panel shows the 
young woman with the second young man - who of course proves to be 
the  veritable incarnation of the beach-bum stud.  "It's gonna be a 
long summer" sighs our hapless hero.

THE MORAL: Reading material, no matter how meritorious or 
meretricious, has little effect on how well one socializes at the 
beachfront.

   - CMC




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Aug 26 14:32:19 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:32:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <cgflrp+1fni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEGCDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[fanofminerva wrote]:
| I don't know if it's been discussed, but it seems like a sound
| connection to me.  IMO, the distance between Massachusettes and the
| British Isles is not that great in the Wizarding World because of
| the ability to apparate.  Who's to say that when the witch fever
| spread in Salem that the "real" wizards in the Potterverse didn't
| apparate to Britain/Europe, which could be one explanation why in
| the Potterverse we do not hear of any wizarding schools in the
| colonies.

[Lee]:
Ah--but we do...at least, we have a reference to one in Salem in GOF.  While
Ron and Harry are getting water and pass by all those other tents and
there's something about an American school in Salem.

I'd love to see the meeting of an American and British school of wizardry.
:-)

Hope you're all well. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(An American Wannabe Wizard.) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 18:34:51 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:34:51 EDT
Subject: Erin - re: Ms. Cox
Message-ID: <46.57072870.2e5f874b@aol.com>

"Analyzing her sentence, I can spot no less than three ways Ms. Cox 
(is that her real name? What are the chances a "relationship expert" 
with a book called "Supersex" would really be named Cox?) is a sell-
out.  " (snip)


Indeed Erin, indeed!  LOL   Long live Harry Potter!

"Luna"





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From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 26 19:44:41 2004
From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (Hans)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:44:41 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter for Seekers
Message-ID: <cglej9+9q7e@eGroups.com>

This to announce that I have recently formed a new group: Harry 
Potter for Seekers. This is a group for people who want to discuss 
the deep spiritual foundation of Harry Potter. The group is open to 
broadminded people of all spiritual and religious backgrounds and 
persuasions. Areas for discussion include alchemy, psychology, 
comparisons to other literature with spiritual foundations (e.g. 
LotR, the Bible, legends, fairy tales, etc.), religions such as 
Christianity, Buddhism and Paganism, philosophies such as Theosophy, 
Anthroposophy and Rosicrucianism, and of course one's own spiritual 
insights gained on the journey of life.

This group is not a platform for any particular point of view but a 
round table discussion of how Harry Potter affects people with 
different beliefs. It's for people who genuinely like to listen to 
the points of view of others and to present their own point of view 
without trying to persuade or convince.

I invite all of you to visit our home page and look at the messages, 
which are open to the public.

I hope to meet some of you there.

Warm regards,
Hans





From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Aug 26 16:51:22 2004
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:51:22 -0000
Subject: A Harry Potter RPG in search of a Snape player
Message-ID: <cgl4ea+rv8a@eGroups.com>

Hi, lurker-me again.  I'm a 37 y/o mostly-at-home mom of four kids,
and one of the ways I feed my Snape fettish, aside from writing my
fanfic, is to Role Play on message boards in the Harry Potter Universe.

Currently, our Snape just left the site.  This is a very loose board,
where we play in various timelines through out the HP universe,
including Mauradure era and even Voldie's school days.  We stick to
canon, but we allow Original characters so long as they are not
Mary-Sueish and don't disrupt the flow of the game (no vampires or
crossover to Tolkien/Star Wars world, etc.)

Most of the players are late-college age, so the maturity level is
good.  I'm the oldest player on the board.

We would NOT expect the new Snape-player to pick up old Snape's
threads where they left off.  We are leaving those posts up for now
for people to see and read to get a feel for the game, but they will
be archived when we have a new Snape player.

There are lots of Snape interpretations out there.  We are looking for
someone to play a solid canon-Snape, but who is not opposed to a
gradual development of a het/romantic relationship.  There are
restricted-access portions of the board for roleplaying smut--THAT is
fun, let me tell you! ;)  Because of that, we are obviously looking
for an over 21 y/o player who is not opposed to writing smut.  Also,
play him as Snarky as you wish, but we do need a Snape who is
genuinely on the side of the Order, though you can maintain the
questionable mystery however you like.

Here is the link.

http://shonjir.net/v-web/bulletin/bb/index.php

Please email me at seuferer at netins.net if you would like the Ghost
Reader password access to the restricted sections of the board to get
a feel for the 'smut' portions--must be adult age, of course.  Our
Snape that is leaving had never read the books (horror!) so his
roleplaying OUT of the smut sections is actually a little wanting,
though he had an excellent handle of the personality, he had little
grasp of the environment and background.  We didn't screen him very
well, so we will be screening the new Snape better.

Use the same email address to contact me to apply for the role once
you have read the rules/announcements and enough of the board to
decide you want to play.  We will be filling this role by application
process since he is such a crucial and complex character.

Feel free to take on any other characters that are available instead
of/in addition to Snape.  It's a fun outlet!





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 04:21:13 2004
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (tonks_op)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:21:13 -0000
Subject: How to get past the door
Message-ID: <cgmcrp+2meb@eGroups.com>

I am new to the group. I have tried to see something once the door 
is open and there is nothing there. Of course today there was a Do 
not Disturb sign on it, so I guess there is no getting past it now. 
But when it opens again.. what do I do? It is something that I need 
on my computer that I don't have .. or the speed.. or what? I have 
tried grabing the fly, turning the light off and on.. moving the 
curser everywhere on the page.. and nothing.. how did everyone else 
get to a dart board and a safe and then a note???  And all the clues 
about number and stuff.. how did you know to look?  It is very 
confusing.. more that the books!!

Thanks.
Tonks_op





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Aug 27 13:26:10 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:26:10 -0000
Subject: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEGCDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cgncpi+m6ed@eGroups.com>

Lee wrote:

> Ah--but we do...at least, we have a reference to one in Salem in 
GOF.  While
> Ron and Harry are getting water and pass by all those other tents 
and
> there's something about an American school in Salem.

Almost certainly not a school.

The precise reference is to the "Salem Witches Institute", a 
probable reference to the Women's Institue in the UK, now famous 
because of 'Calendar Girls'.  It's JKR's sense of humour kicking in 
that the choice is Salem.

David




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 17:35:31 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:35:31 -0000
Subject: melbourne/tupperware/tom robbins
In-Reply-To: <cgi942+jf7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgnrd3+time@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "humantupperware1" 
<humantupperware1 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "captain_suburbia" <
> captain_suburbia at y...> wrote:
> > > HumanTupperware again:
> > > 
> > > <Snip>
> > > 
> > > Though I must say I have always had a love for those icypole 
maker
> > thingys 
> > > tupperware make........such childhood memories....
> > > 
> > > this is inane. sorry.
> > > 
> > > HumanTupperware.
> > 
> > <snip>  And, yes, the icy pole thingos... didn't the
> > stick bit in those feel good to chew?  My mother could never
> > understand it, but I'm sure *you* do, HT. ;)
> > 
> > <snip>

I am not an Aussie not have I ever been to Australia but would love 
to go.  As for the thread being personal, I was enjoying it 
enormously!  And, just so know, I absolutely loved the icy pole 
thing and also chewed on the little pole thing!  My mom was into 
tupperware in the 70s (and I do remember the parties) so this thread 
was bringing back many fond memories. Thanks!

Julie (an Arkansan)




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 17:40:09 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:40:09 -0000
Subject: Hello everyone?
In-Reply-To: <cgjadk+20oc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgnrlp+u1og@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "khastiicatz" 
<khastiicatz at y...> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I've just joined this group (and the main HPFGU group) to see what 
it
> was all about. I've heard it mentioned several times, and I would 
have
> joined if I was old enough then.
> 
> I'm 13 years old; my birthday was a few weeks ago. My name is 
Khastii
> or Kristi, whichever you want to call me. I really love reading and
> writing, and, when I'm not playing or in school, I spend a lot of 
my
> time thinking and making theories about things in books, especially
> the Harry Potter series.
> 
> Because of that, this seems to be the perfect place for me! :) 
Most of
> the groups I've joined in the past just talk about how hot Oliver 
Wood
> is and things like that. 
> 
> Anyway, I hope I have a great time here! :)
> 
> Khastii

Welcome, Khastii.  I think your ideas will be a refreshing addition 
to the group.  I would love to hear theories from a young teen point 
of view.  My 37 year old brain gets tired sometimes.  And, while I 
do think Oliver Wood is a cutie, I can assure you that I will never 
post a thread on who is "hot" (unless of course I'm talking about 
Jason Isaacs or Alan Rickman!).

Welcome aboard!

Julie




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 17:49:45 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:49:45 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter for Seekers
In-Reply-To: <cglej9+9q7e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgns7p+s796@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Hans" <ibotsjfvxfst at y...> 
wrote:
> This to announce that I have recently formed a new group: Harry 
> Potter for Seekers. This is a group for people who want to discuss 
> the deep spiritual foundation of Harry Potter. The group is open 
to 
> broadminded people of all spiritual and religious backgrounds and 
> persuasions. Areas for discussion include alchemy, psychology, 
> comparisons to other literature with spiritual foundations (e.g. 
> LotR, the Bible, legends, fairy tales, etc.), religions such as 
> Christianity, Buddhism and Paganism, philosophies such as 
Theosophy, 
> Anthroposophy and Rosicrucianism, and of course one's own 
spiritual 
> insights gained on the journey of life.
> 
> This group is not a platform for any particular point of view but 
a 
> round table discussion of how Harry Potter affects people with 
> different beliefs. It's for people who genuinely like to listen to 
> the points of view of others and to present their own point of 
view 
> without trying to persuade or convince.
> 
> I invite all of you to visit our home page and look at the 
messages, 
> which are open to the public.
> 
> I hope to meet some of you there.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Hans

Sounds intriguing.  I am a Christian Psychologist, so I would be 
very interested in those discussions. What is the link?

Julie 




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 17:53:08 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:53:08 -0000
Subject: How to get past the door
In-Reply-To: <cgmcrp+2meb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgnse4+gv0g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "tonks_op" <tonks_op at y...> 
wrote:
> I am new to the group. I have tried to see something once the door 
> is open and there is nothing there. Of course today there was a Do 
> not Disturb sign on it, so I guess there is no getting past it 
now. 
> But when it opens again.. what do I do? It is something that I 
need 
> on my computer that I don't have .. or the speed.. or what? I have 
> tried grabing the fly, turning the light off and on.. moving the 
> curser everywhere on the page.. and nothing.. how did everyone 
else 
> get to a dart board and a safe and then a note???  And all the 
clues 
> about number and stuff.. how did you know to look?  It is very 
> confusing.. more that the books!!
> 
> Thanks.
> Tonks_op

The best place to look for clues JKR's website is www.potterskeys.com

Each time the Do Not Disturb sign has been removed, a different 
puzzle awaits.  With the last one, you had to locate a light switch 
in the dark, which revealed a dart board.  Try the website I 
mentioned and you should have most of your confusion cleared.

Julie




From entropymail at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 17:55:52 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:55:52 -0000
Subject: Magical Energies (Re: Statute of Secrecy of 1692)
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEGCDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cgnsj8+qk1v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [fanofminerva wrote]:
> | I don't know if it's been discussed, but it seems like a sound
> | connection to me.  IMO, the distance between Massachusettes and the
> | British Isles is not that great in the Wizarding World because of
> | the ability to apparate. 

Just a small point, but I've always felt that the more complex a type
of magic is, the more energy a wizard uses. So, a wizard may be
limited in his magical ability by his limits of "energy".  Once his
energy is depleted, he's got to rest up a bit before attempting any
more magic.

That is, it may be possible for Fred and George to apparate
downstairs, or even across London, but it may be far more difficult to
apparate across the Atlantic.  (Just as a muggle could run down the
street, but a marathon might be more than the average muggle could
manage.)

In the same way, some forms of magic may use up so much energy, that
it just might be easier to do the task manually.  For example, Madame
Rosmerta may be able to fly butterbeers all over the place, but it may
be more tiring to do so than to, say, just walk them over herself. 
Or, Molly Weasly could conjure each of the kids a brand new set of
school uniforms each year, but the magical energy it would take to do
so makes it impractical; so the kids get hand-me-downs instead.

Just a thought.

Wondering if this is too on-topic for off-topic chatter.

:: Entropy ::




From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 18:54:27 2004
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:54:27 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter for Seekers
In-Reply-To: <cgns7p+s796@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgo013+phr6@eGroups.com>

Hans wrote:
> > This to announce that I have recently formed a new group: Harry 
> > Potter for Seekers. 

Julie: 
> Sounds intriguing.  I am a Christian Psychologist, so I would be 
> very interested in those discussions. What is the link?

KathyK:

The site looks great and the discussion very informative!

Here's the link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotterforseekers/

KathyK




From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Aug 27 19:25:45 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:25:45 EDT
Subject: TONKS-JK door
Message-ID: <79.3220e68f.2e60e4b9@aol.com>

Hi Tonk's,
I got through the door because I cheated.  :)  I tried and tried clicking all 
around in the blackness of that room and could NOT figure it out.  Then I 
went to Mugglenet.com and while digging through some comments about the open door 
I found WHERE to click in the darkness to turn the light on.  I guessed at 
the 713 for the dartboard, but had to go back to Mugglenet.com to get the safe 
code.  :)  The "do not disturb" sign is back on and you can't get past the door 
now.  I don't have a copy of what she revealed, but someone else here may 
have that info for you.  

By the way ... I like your nickname.  I really like the character Tonks as 
much as I like the addition of Luna to the series.  Do you remember the movie 
Notting hill?  Do you remember the girl who played Hugh Grant's sister in it?  I 
think she should be cast to play Tonks!  She's just silly enough for the 
role!  :)

Luna


> "I am new to the group. I have tried to see something once the door 
> is open and there is nothing there. Of course today there was a Do 
> not Disturb sign on it, so I guess there is no getting past it now. 
> But when it opens again.. what do I do? It is something that I need 
> on my computer that I don't have .. or the speed.. or what? I have 
> tried grabing the fly, turning the light off and on.. moving the 
> curser everywhere on the page.. and nothing.. how did everyone else 
> get to a dart board and a safe and then a note???  And all the clues 
> about number and stuff.. how did you know to look?  It is very 
> confusing.. more that the books!!
> 
> Thanks.
> Tonks_op"
> 



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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Aug 27 20:18:34 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:18:34 -0000
Subject: That bloody website! (was How to get past the door)
In-Reply-To: <cgmcrp+2meb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgo4uq+gfo1@eGroups.com>

tonks_op wrote:

> I have tried.. moving the 
> curser everywhere 

I know how you feel - every computer should have one.

But, seriously, welcome!

David




From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Fri Aug 27 22:38:59 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:38:59 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: melbourne/tupperware/tom robbins
In-Reply-To: <cgnrd3+time@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CGEKJJCJGOLNJLCPJCJJIELJCPAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Julie (an Arkansan) said

"I am not an Aussie not have I ever been to Australia "

but do you play an Australian on TV?


storm, who is living in sydney, australia and just loves that joke despite
the fact that a. it's really really poxy, b. done to death and c. a total
one liner but is also loving the thread. Although I don't remember any
Tupperware parties I do remember the icy pole things and in fact my g/f has
some which come out in summer .. and we still chew on the little stick.

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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 27 22:41:38 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:41:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Magical Energies (Re: Statute of Secrecy of 1692)
In-Reply-To: <cgnsj8+qk1v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040827224138.8287.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com>

Entropy wrote:
Just a small point, but I've always felt that the more complex a type of magic is, the more energy a wizard uses. So, a wizard may be limited in his magical ability by his limits of "energy".  Once his energy is depleted, he's got to rest up a bit before attempting any more magic.

That is, it may be possible for Fred and George to apparate
downstairs, or even across London, but it may be far more difficult to apparate across the Atlantic.  (Just as a muggle could run down the street, but a marathon might be more than the average muggle could manage.)

In the same way, some forms of magic may use up so much energy, that it just might be easier to do the task manually.  For example, Madame Rosmerta may be able to fly butterbeers all over the place, but it may be more tiring to do so than to, say, just walk them over herself. Or, Molly Weasly could conjure each of the kids a brand new set of school uniforms each year, but the magical energy it would take to do so makes it impractical; so the kids get hand-me-downs instead.

Just a thought.

Wondering if this is too on-topic for off-topic chatter.

 
 
Kemper responds:
 
I have been thinking about conjuring spells.  Like when DD conjures the chairs in the DoM for him and Mrs. Figg.  Are chairs a constant or a variable?  Will the chiars stand the test of time or will they dissipate back into the ether of magical energy used to conjure it when the conjurer is no longer giving much thought about the chairs? 
Oh, and there is no such thing as 'too on-topic' as far as I'm concerned ;)


 
 

		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 28 06:15:18 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <cgncpi+m6ed@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040828061518.15841.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>


--- davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:

> Almost certainly not a school.
> 
> The precise reference is to the "Salem Witches
> Institute", a 
> probable reference to the Women's Institue in the
> UK

I just thought it was an all-girls school. I'm sure it
isn't related to an American wizarding government in
any way, so what else would it be? I'm not familiar
with the Women's Institute. Besides, it's possible JK
used the name with several intentions in mind.

Sara Lanthiriel

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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 28 06:30:29 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sara - Room of Requirement
In-Reply-To: <146.31e322a7.2e5e3c1a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040828063029.19030.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>

--- LunaLovesHarry at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Sara,
> I'm enjoying reading your theories about Godric and
> now the Room of 
> requirement, and how they may associate. 

Hi Luna (you've taken the moniker of my favorite new
character in HP, and one who - I believe - is a lot
more attuned to what's happening in the wizard world
than some people might think).

I need to go back to JK's site and have a look at that
bulletin board. There seemed to be a lot of new stuff
on there and I'm just certain that some obvious clue
is sitting right there in front of my eyes. I don't
know if the Room of Requirement will come into play as
far as this mystery character is concerned, but it
does make sense that Harry might be able to use it to
communicate with someone he is otherwise separated
from.

I wonder also how the Mirror of Erised might come into
play in the last two books. Of course, it was
introduced for the important reason of giving Harry a
vehicle by which to get a hold of the Stone, but at
the same time JK reuses so many things she has
previously introduced. Harry's vision in the Mirror
could, as many people have speculated elsewhere,
foreshadow his death and reunion with his parents in
the afterlife... but there are other ways he could
communicate with them or find some new connection to
them. What those ways may be, however, I have no idea!

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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 28 06:33:49 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Godric Griffindor
In-Reply-To: <cgi8mv+ajpi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040828063349.41545.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>


--- humantupperware1 <humantupperware1 at yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

> If indeed we are talking about a picture of GG, my
> assumption would be that 
> all you would have to do to have a chat with old
> Godric is wander into 
> Dumbledore's office......we know he has portraits of
> all the old headmasters/
> mistresses....why not the founder/s as well? 
> 
> but even more intriguing.....if indeed there are
> portraits of the founders, where 
> is Salazar's portrait? Certainly would have been
> useful in CoS!!

Well, the tour of Dumbledore's office on the "Extras"
disc of the CoS DVD does show a portrait of Salazar
Slytherin in Dumbledore's office. Unfortunately, movie
verse frequently deviates from canon... unless JK had
some input on the decorations of this particular set.
I don't think such a portrait has been mentioned in
any of the books, though Harry hasn't examined every
one of them.

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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sat Aug 28 15:49:51 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:49:51 EDT
Subject: Sara - RoR and Mirror of Erised
Message-ID: <da.12910014.2e62039f@aol.com>

Hi Sara,

I agree with you about the importance of Luna's role in the upcoming books.  
:)  I once read some speculation that one of the child characters will change 
houses, and I've often wondered if it's true, and if it will be Luna.  She was 
more involved with Griffyndors than her own house in OoP.  But again, this 
may have been speculation I read ... I can't remember.

I LOVE the room of requirement and the mirror of erised. Wouldn't it be 
wonderful if they were real?  How many of us would realize our dreams if we had 
such places to go to? I've often wondered if JK will bring the mirror back.  I 
hope she does.  

When you have a chance, check out the bulletin board.  I wish I could freeze 
and increase the size of the things on it to read the clues that lie there.  
So I click on the room, watch it closely load, then click out and back in again 
hoping to catch a glimpse before the other sheets load over it, LOL.  I'm 
like a little kid about it all.  :)

Elizabeth


> "Hi Luna (you've taken the moniker of my favorite new
> character in HP, and one who - I believe - is a lot
> more attuned to what's happening in the wizard world
> than some people might think).
> 
> I need to go back to JK's site and have a look at that
> bulletin board. There seemed to be a lot of new stuff
> on there and I'm just certain that some obvious clue
> is sitting right there in front of my eyes. I don't
> know if the Room of Requirement will come into play as
> far as this mystery character is concerned, but it
> does make sense that Harry might be able to use it to
> communicate with someone he is otherwise separated
> from.
> 
> I wonder also how the Mirror of Erised might come into
> play in the last two books. Of course, it was
> introduced for the important reason of giving Harry a
> vehicle by which to get a hold of the Stone, but at
> the same time JK reuses so many things she has
> previously introduced. Harry's vision in the Mirror
> could, as many people have speculated elsewhere,
> foreshadow his death and reunion with his parents in
> the afterlife... but there are other ways he could
> communicate with them or find some new connection to
> them. What those ways may be, however, I have no idea!"



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From camilla at vaughan3.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Aug 28 18:05:32 2004
From: camilla at vaughan3.fsnet.co.uk (millimagus)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:05:32 -0000
Subject: TONKS-JK door
In-Reply-To: <79.3220e68f.2e60e4b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cgqhhc+2u0g@eGroups.com>


> By the way ... I like your nickname.  I really like the character
Tonks as 
> much as I like the addition of Luna to the series.  Do you remember
the movie 
> Notting hill?  Do you remember the girl who played Hugh Grant's
sister in it?  I 
> think she should be cast to play Tonks!  She's just silly enough for
the 
> role!  :)
> 
> Luna


Hi Luna,

I think the name of the actress is Emma Chambers - she played
completely loopy Alice Tinker in the Vicar of Dibley (also written by
Richard Curtis)

You're right, she'd be great as Tonks.

Milli






From spin01 at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 00:24:45 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:24:45 -0000
Subject: TONKS-JK door
In-Reply-To: <cgqhhc+2u0g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgr7od+96q6@eGroups.com>

The actress in question would have been superb but I heard she died a 
short time after filming Nottinghill.  I was sad she was a lovely 
actress.  I heard something asthma related but not sure.  Could 
someone who is from England fill us in?
sherry  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "millimagus" 
<camilla at v...> wrote:
> 
> > By the way ... I like your nickname.  I really like the character
> Tonks as 
> > much as I like the addition of Luna to the series.  Do you 
remember
> the movie 
> > Notting hill?  Do you remember the girl who played Hugh Grant's
> sister in it?  I 
> > think she should be cast to play Tonks!  She's just silly enough 
for
> the 
> > role!  :)
> > 
> > Luna
> 
> 
> Hi Luna,
> 
> I think the name of the actress is Emma Chambers - she played
> completely loopy Alice Tinker in the Vicar of Dibley (also written 
by
> Richard Curtis)
> 
> You're right, she'd be great as Tonks.
> 
> Milli




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 29 09:57:04 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:57:04 -0000
Subject: Magical Energies (Re: Statute of Secrecy of 1692)
In-Reply-To: <20040827224138.8287.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cgs99h+p92h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> Entropy wrote:
> Just a small point, but I've always felt that the more complex a
type of magic is, the more energy a wizard uses. So, a wizard may be
limited in his magical ability by his limits of "energy".  Once his
energy is depleted, he's got to rest up a bit before attempting any
more magic.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Wondering if this is too on-topic for off-topic chatter.

 
 
> Kemper responds:
>  
> I have been thinking about conjuring spells.  Like when DD conjures
the chairs in the DoM for him and Mrs. Figg.  Are chairs a constant or
a variable?  Will the chiars stand the test of time or will they
dissipate back into the ether of magical energy used to conjure it
when the conjurer is no longer giving much thought about the chairs? 
> Oh, and there is no such thing as 'too on-topic' as far as I'm
concerned ;)


Asian_lovr2:

On the first point of magic requiring a certain amount of personal
energy, I think you are right. Apparation might be a good example, I
believe the sound made during apparation is proportional to the amount
of effort, and therefore energy, the wizard puts into it. Of course,
Fred and George are probably putting in more effort that they need
because the like to show off and would try to make as loud a 'bang' as
possible. Although, I will concede that a certain amount of that
reflected effort is due to lack of experience. The more experienced
you are, the less effort it requires.

Dumbledore, being both a very powerful wizard and with over 150 years
of experience, is able to Apparate effortlessly, and therefore with no
more sound than the swish of a cloak. 

Apparation also serves to illustrate another aspect of expenditure of
magical energy. JKR has said the the farther you Apparate, the more
difficult and dangerous it becomes. So their is a practical limit to
how far you can go. For the moment, let's assume it's around 500
miles. That's more than enough to take you from Hogwarts to London, or
London to Paris, but not far enough to get you to Madrid, Rome, or
Berlin. The solution would then be to travel beyond that range in two
or more 'hops'; London to Paris, Paris to Milano, Milano to Rome.

But, pushing yourself to the very edge of your ability would certainly
be a strain, and with each successive 'hop' that strain would be
compounded. For example, maybe on the first 'hop' you could go the
full 500 miles, but the strain of pushing yourself that far would
reduce the energy and focus available for the second 'hop', etc...;
first hop=500 miles, second hop=400 miles, third hop=300 mile, etc....
Eventually, you would become so tired and drained, you wouldn't be
able to summon the energy to Apparate at all. 

Equally, a wizard who sits enchanting trick wands all day long
probably comes home very magically tired. 

So, essentially, I have just illustrated ways in which I think this
concept of the consumption of magical energy is reasonable and valid.

Regarding Conjuring Spells, JKR has said that things which are truely
conjured, that is, something is created from nothing, are not
permanent. They come from nothing, and in time the enchantment wears
off, and they go back to nothing. However, I have pointed out before
that not everything that makes an object magically appear is done by
conjuring. Example, when the House-Elves send food from the kitchens
up to the House tables, I call that a 'transfer' charm. (Although, the
books never specifically refers to transfer charms.) The elves aren't
creating the food, they are simply moving or transferring it from one
place to another.

The same is true of other instances we see. When Dumbledore calls up
hundreds of squashy purple sleeping bags for the students, we don't
know whether he created them, or whether he simply transferred them in
from another location. I lean toward 'transfer' in that case. 

In the many instances where we see chairs conjured, again, we don't
know if they were created or simply moved. I believe we have seen a
combination of both moved chairs and truly conjured chairs. 

Just a few highly speculative thoughts.

Steve/asian_lovr2 (whose 'b_boymn' username last hardly more than a
month before Yahoo lost it.)





From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sun Aug 29 11:36:48 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:36:48 +1000
Subject: emma chambers/charlotte coleman
In-Reply-To: <cgr7od+96q6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CGEKJJCJGOLNJLCPJCJJCEMFCPAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

spinelli372003 [mailto:spin01 at aol.com] asked about Emma Chambers
"The actress in question would have been superb but I heard she died a
short time after filming Nottinghill. "

The actress who died of asthma was Charlotte Coleman, who played Scarlet in
4 weddings and a funeral.

I thought she was great. I don't know much about movies or tv actors but I
did like her.

storm

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From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Sun Aug 29 14:14:23 2004
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:14:23 -0400
Subject: Steve's Yahoo Username Blues . . .
References: <cgs99h+p92h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004801c48dd2$7c5350a0$6500a8c0@sparky>


> Steve/asian_lovr2 (whose 'b_boymn' username last hardly more than a
> month before Yahoo lost it.)

Well, Steve, if you moved from Minnesota to New Mexico, you could use
'b_boynm' and hardly anyone here would notice the difference.  ;-)




From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 29 14:52:36 2004
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:52:36 -0000
Subject: Sara - RoR and Mirror of Erised
In-Reply-To: <da.12910014.2e62039f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cgsqjk+jmk6@eGroups.com>

--- LunaLovesHarry wrote:
I wish I could freeze 
> and increase the size of the things on it to read the clues that 
lie there.  


CV - You can do this. Choose your moment when the things that you 
want to inspect are visible. When the image is at the state you want 
to freeze, quickly press the <print screen> key on your keyboard. On 
my laptop, it is labeled [prt sc]. At this point, the image in in 
your computer's memory. To get it out, open an application, such as 
Word, that can handle pictures. Paste the image using your favorite 
paste method: Click <cntrl-V>, or choose Edit and then Paste from the 
menu. You should now be able to see the image.

Now, how to increase the size.

In the Word menu, choose View, then Zoom. You will be able to enlarge 
the image to at least 500%, but the larger you zoom it, the fuzzier 
the words. I usually see it best at 200 or so.

Any more wishes I can grant?

CV




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Aug 29 15:02:56 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 29 Aug 2004 15:02:56 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1093791776.27.31291.m4@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, August 29, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 29 15:09:20 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:09:20 -0000
Subject: Steve's Yahoo Username Blues . . .
In-Reply-To: <004801c48dd2$7c5350a0$6500a8c0@sparky>
Message-ID: <cgsrj0+38vj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tammy Rizzo" <ms-tamany at r...>
wrote:
> 
> > Steve/asian_lovr2 (whose 'b_boymn' username last hardly more than
> > a month before Yahoo lost it.)


> Tammy: 
> Well, Steve, if you moved from Minnesota to New Mexico, you could
> use 'b_boynm' and hardly anyone here would notice the difference.  ;-)


Asain_lovr2 (was Asian_lovr, was boybluemn, was bboy_mn, was b_boymn):

I know you are just trying to inject a little humor in an annoying
situation, but Yahoo's unbelievable unreliability is ...well...
unbelieveably frustrating. Especially, since some of the usernames
I've had disappear were bought and paid for.

I used 'boybluemn' in the "... for Grownups" groups for a long long
time, posting many, possibly hundreds of messages that were long and
deep. Then one day the username vanished with no explanation. The
worst part is, not only did the username vanish, but every single post
I ever made in any group under that name also vanished. 

I always post in the Web version of the group because I really don't
like my computer cluttered up by thousands of emails. That means that
I didn't archive any of the posts I made, some of which were more like
essays than comments. I alway assumed the posts would be on-line in
the group and available to search out. But they vanished. Thanks Yahoo.

That was a paid username and email account.

I started using that 'boybluemn' name because my previous 'asian_lovr'
username had vanished.

After, boybluemn, I switched to bboy_mn and had that for a long long
long time, and made many hundreds of posts. It was also a paid email
account. Fortunately, when it vanished, all my posts didn't vanish
with it. 

Then I used asian_lovr2, which is my back-up account, and took out the
name 'b_boymn' on July 2004. Once I was past my moderation period, I
started using it, signing in daily, reading, posting and checking the
email. I never emailed anyone who didn't email me first. I was only
signed up for 5 groups. And I certainly find it hard to believe that I
violated any 'terms of service' rules. But it's gone, and there is
nothing I can do about it. Yahoo doesn't allow any appeals or offer
any explanations, and no refunds.

If the best groups weren't on Yahoo, I wouldn't use it at all. After
this last username barely making it a month, I don't see any reason
why I would ever pay for a Yahoo email account again. Yahoo really
doesn't provide me with much incentive to do business with them. 

Thanks for letting me rant.

Steve





From camilla at vaughan3.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Aug 29 15:13:26 2004
From: camilla at vaughan3.fsnet.co.uk (millimagus)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:13:26 -0000
Subject: TONKS-JK door
In-Reply-To: <cgr7od+96q6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgsrqm+cf0m@eGroups.com>


That's a different actress. The one who died from an asthma attack was
the one who played hugh grant's best friend in four weddings and a
funeral. I think her name was Charlotte Coleman. Very sad and slightly
scary for those of us with asthma.

Well, all hugh grant films are pretty much the same, aren't they?!


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" <spin01 at a...>
wrote:
> The actress in question would have been superb but I heard she died a 
> short time after filming Nottinghill.  I was sad she was a lovely 
> actress.  I heard something asthma related but not sure.  Could 
> someone who is from England fill us in?
> sherry  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "millimagus" 
> <camilla at v...> wrote:
> > 
> > > By the way ... I like your nickname.  I really like the character
> > Tonks as 
> > > much as I like the addition of Luna to the series.  Do you 
> remember
> > the movie 
> > > Notting hill?  Do you remember the girl who played Hugh Grant's
> > sister in it?  I 
> > > think she should be cast to play Tonks!  She's just silly enough 
> for
> > the 
> > > role!  :)
> > > 
> > > Luna
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Luna,
> > 
> > I think the name of the actress is Emma Chambers - she played
> > completely loopy Alice Tinker in the Vicar of Dibley (also written 
> by
> > Richard Curtis)
> > 
> > You're right, she'd be great as Tonks.
> > 
> > Milli




From marty.larson at verizon.net  Sun Aug 29 15:52:16 2004
From: marty.larson at verizon.net (Marty Larson)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:52:16 -0000
Subject: JKR bulletin board
In-Reply-To: <da.12910014.2e62039f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cgsu3g+6uug@eGroups.com>

> > 
> > I need to go back to JK's site and have a look at that
> > bulletin board. There seemed to be a lot of new stuff
> > on there and I'm just certain that some obvious clue
> > is sitting right there in front of my eyes. I don't
> > know if the Room of Requirement will come into play as
> > far as this mystery character is concerned, but it
> > does make sense that Harry might be able to use it to
> > communicate with someone he is otherwise separated
> > from.
> > 
> >If you go to www.potterskeys.com, they have stills posted of the 
new stuff and even the one before.
Marty




From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 16:42:46 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:42:46 EDT
Subject: Milli - Emma Chamber
Message-ID: <157.3dcce7f8.2e636186@aol.com>

Yes, that's it!  Emma Chambers ... she'd be wonderful.  We watched "Notting 
Hill" last night and when I saw her I said , "YES! She is absolutely Tonks!".  
I've never seen the Vicar of Dibley ... is it good?  Earlier this week I 
watched "Pride and Predjudice" again .... can't get enough of that Collin Firth!  
Wonder why he hasn't been cast in the HP movies??

"Luna"


> "Hi Luna,
> 
> I think the name of the actress is Emma Chambers - she played
> completely loopy Alice Tinker in the Vicar of Dibley (also written by
> Richard Curtis)
> 
> You're right, she'd be great as Tonks.
> 
> Milli"
> 



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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 16:45:21 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:45:21 EDT
Subject: Emma Chambers - Past on????
Message-ID: <45.14a040e0.2e636221@aol.com>

"The actress in question would have been superb but I heard she died a 
short time after filming Nottinghill."

OH NO!  Can this be true?  I had heard the actress in "Four Weddings and a 
Funeral"  died .... never heard anything about Emma Chambers having died!  I 
think I'll look her up and see if it's true.  

"Luna"


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 16:49:00 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:49:00 EDT
Subject: Emma Chamber info ...
Message-ID: <19a.28f30d04.2e6362fc@aol.com>

I searched her name at IMDB.com and they have a birth year, and no death 
year.   It lists movies she's made since "Notting Hill" so I think she is still 
alive enough to play Tonks!  :)  

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0150324/

"Luna"


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From meidbh at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 29 17:40:51 2004
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:40:51 -0000
Subject: Sara - RoR and Mirror of Erised
In-Reply-To: <cgsqjk+jmk6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgt4f3+nkv7@eGroups.com>

 
CV: 
"You can do this. Choose your moment when the things that you want 
to inspect are visible. When the image is at the state you want to 
freeze, quickly press the <print screen> key on your keyboard. On my 
laptop, it is labeled [prt sc]. At this point, the image in in your 
computer's memory. To get it out..."

That is great!
I suppose if I had ever read the manuals that came with my computer 
I might have known this but as I haven't I am completely in awe of 
your brilliance! And of the other brilliant HPFGU people who figured 
out the clues to the dartboard and safe. And the folks who come up 
with incredible insights into plotline and characters.

Impressed and amazed by you all (well most of you <<g>>)

Meidbh 







From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 29 19:03:03 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:03:03 -0000
Subject: Uncle Alphard /  Aberforth /  Apparation / wizarding New World /
Message-ID: <cgt997+jrvi@eGroups.com>

Tory Santillie wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23998 :

<< I have a question from Chapter 6 when Sirius and Harry are looking
at the Black Family Tree. Sirius is pointing out where his name was
blasted out and telling Harry about when he ran away from home.

". . .and then when I was 17 I got a place of my own. My uncle Alfad
(Alfaad?) had left me a decent bit of gold. He's been wiped off here
too. That's probably why . . .anyway, after that I looked after myself."

Has there been any discussion about Uncle Alfad on the lists? (snip) I
wonder what Sirius was thinking? >>

As per your next post, his name is Alphard, which is the name of a
star, thus carrying out the Astronomical Name pattern of some of the
Blacks. According to
http://www.ras.ucalgary.ca/~gibson/starnames/starnames.html?o=0 Alpha
Hydrae is named "Alphard or Cor Hydrae [meaning] "the solitary" or
"heart of the hydra"". 

When I made a Black family tree, Alphard ended up what I think is
called a second cousin once removed (Sirius's grandfather's sister's
son) rather than a literal uncle (Sirius's grandfather's son). I
figured ALphard was unmarried and childless (foreshadowed by his name
"the solitary") so he had to choose an heir.

About that quote, I think it MEANS: "He left me a decent bit of gold.
That's probably why he's been wiped off here, too." but Sirius didn't
say it like that because he mentioned Uncle Alphard, which reminded
him to look at Alphard's place on the tapestry, where he was surprised
to see a burn mark so he mentioned it "He's been wiped off here, too"
then he mentally connects the two thoughts and fills in "That's
probably why".

Human Tupperware wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24000 :

<< Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head and has innappropriate
relations with goats......this new character sounds waaaaay to
dignified to be him.....If Aberforth is going to be in the new book, I
think he will be doing more vaguely innappropriate things...... >>

Or it might turns out that the dinginess and goat smell are a DISGUISE
(and "I'm not sure he can read" was just a JOKE) and Aberforth REALLY
is that dignified man. 

Julie wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24003 :

<<  IMO, the distance between Massachusettes and the British Isles is
not that great in the Wizarding World because of the ability to
apparate. Who's to say that when the witch fever spread in Salem that
the "real" wizards in the Potterverse didn't apparate to Britain/Europe >>

Steve lots_of_Y!names already pointed out the limits of Apparation.
I'm here with the supporting quote. It's from QUIDDITCH THROUGH THE
AGES chapter 9: "[The Oakshaft 79] will always be remembered as the
broom used in the first ever Atlantic broom crossing, by Jocunda Sykes
in 1935. (before that time, wizards preferred to use ships rather than
trust broomsticks over such distances. Apparation becomes increasingly
unreliable over very long distances, and only highly skilled wizards
are wise to attempt it across continents)." Across the Atlantic is an
even longer (and wetter) distance than across North America, so I
imagine that wizard immigrants to the New World were almost as far
from home as Muggle immigrants to the New World.

My idea of Potterverse magic is that the wizard folk could hide
themselves quite successfully from us Muggles, so they could just hide
and not have to flee from witch hunts. And also that, by using magic,
they could avoid poverty better than Muggles do; even Weasley poverty
is not utter destitution. Two important reasons why people emigrated
were fleeing persecution and fleeing poverty, so my imagination is
that a lower proportion of wizards would emigrate than Muggles.     

But JKR seems to have a different idea. In QTTA chapter 8, she
mentions "[t]he great caution exercised by wizard settlers, many of
whom had hoped less prejudice in the New World".

<< which could be one explanation why in the Potterverse we do not
hear of any wizarding schools in the colonies. >>

My recollection is that in GoF, Ron tells Harry that Bill once had a
pen-friend in "a school in Brazil". My joke: La Terra Nova (all
Portuguese speakers on list will shout at me for using Spanish) is
still the New World. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24048 :

<< I'm not familiar with the Women's Institute. >>

http://www.womens-institute.co.uk/

Acccording to my memory, the scene in GoF is several middle-aged
witches in lawn chairs under a banner reading 'Salem Witches'
Institute'. If it WERE a school, why no students on the outing to
Quidditch World Cup, like the Beauxbatons students chaperoned by
Madame Maxime? Of course, it could be a women's prison, like
http://www.doc.state.nc.us/dop/prisons/ncciw.htm   




From seuferer at netins.net  Sun Aug 29 19:32:24 2004
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:32:24 -0000
Subject: A Harry Potter RPG in search of a Snape player
In-Reply-To: <cgl4ea+rv8a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgtb08+9npc@eGroups.com>

Thanks for all the interest in this!  Our site owner has decided we
will take Snape applications through Friday, so if you are considering
it, there's still plenty of time.

Also, if you don't want to play Snape, but are interested in any other
characters, come check it out. It's sort of like
interactive-fanfiction.  I love writing, but I would never have gotten
so well 'inside the head' of my favorite characters without the
opportunity to 'play' them with others.  Its fun to see everyone's
interpretations of the characters.





From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 29 22:36:10 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:36:10 -0000
Subject: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <20040828061518.15841.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cgtloq+h4p6@eGroups.com>

Sara wrote:

> I just thought it was an all-girls school. I'm sure it
> isn't related to an American wizarding government in
> any way, so what else would it be? I'm not familiar
> with the Women's Institute. Besides, it's possible JK
> used the name with several intentions in mind.

Yes, as she often does.  There is a joke to its being akin to the 
Women's Institute, though, so it's nice to know what it is and be 
let in on the joke.

Amy Z




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 29 22:55:46 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:55:46 -0000
Subject: Found an Odd FLINT in OotP
In-Reply-To: <cg1epi+lgph@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgtmti+jk8d@eGroups.com>

B_Boymn:
 
> OK, I see the quote, and I see the connection to Snape, but it is a
> very very thin connection. I still think 'Sirius' should occur in
> place of 'Snape' in the original quote I commented on. 

Ah, but there's a real issue there:  whether Sirius is just doing 
make-work, or is really helping the Order.  The way the passage is 
written, Harry (along with JKR) is judging Snape's sneer unfair.

Amy Z
wondering if she should adopt the ID Jewlovr




From ryokas at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 29 23:35:07 2004
From: ryokas at hotmail.com (kizor0)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:35:07 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
Message-ID: <cgtp7b+8dnf@eGroups.com>

Hi. After getting positive feedback in chat, I decided to have a
little fun and ask people: Were you in the position to come up with
some enchanted novelty items, what'd you give to the wizarding
community? Don't be too concerned about feasibility - we have very
little idea of what is and isn't doable anyway.

I know it'd be both good form and good for the topic if I provided
some initial examples, but I'm afraid that I'm rather tired right now
and consequently my imagination is stuck in loose cannon mode. If I
tried to come up with something the result would be about as sane as
candy that makes the eater change gender for a few seconds. And now
I'll be off, as there's a good chance I actually typed that last
sentence out loud, which in turn means that I really should go to bed.

- Kizor




From ryokas at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 29 23:37:16 2004
From: ryokas at hotmail.com (kizor0)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:37:16 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezes?
In-Reply-To: <cgtp7b+8dnf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgtpbc+4p0q@eGroups.com>

A typo in the topic sure gives a nice first impression. *Sigh*




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 04:16:34 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:16:34 -0000
Subject: Statute of Secrecy of 1692
In-Reply-To: <cgtloq+h4p6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgu9n2+itsq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> Sara wrote:
> 
> > I just thought it was an all-girls school. I'm sure it
> > isn't related to an American wizarding government in
> > any way, so what else would it be? I'm not familiar
> > with the Women's Institute. Besides, it's possible JK
> > used the name with several intentions in mind.
> 
> Yes, as she often does.  There is a joke to its being akin to the 
> Women's Institute, though, so it's nice to know what it is and be 
> let in on the joke.
> 
> Amy Z

Welcome back to the list, Amy, I hope you had a great time in our 
nation's capital.  I saw "Calendar Girls" for the first time a few 
weeks ago, and I thought it was wonderful.  I have a dvd in my 
bookshelves next to my copy of "The Full Monty".  It appears that 
the first thing the Brits do in a crisis is take their clothes 
off!  :)

Haggridd, who does like a healthy breeze around his privates, but 
would never have the ciurage of the Calendar Girls.




From dumbledad at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 06:53:48 2004
From: dumbledad at gmail.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:53:48 -0000
Subject: Steve's Yahoo Username Blues . . .
In-Reply-To: <cgsrj0+38vj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cguits+fiu2@eGroups.com>

Hi Steve (& All),

Oh dear, I do feel for you on this. It's a very sobering tale of how 
unreliable Yahoomort can be. It is also worrying that it's happened 
so often to you, and very very worrying that it happened to paid 
accounts too. It's a shame we don't have anyone `on the inside'. If 
I ever do meet anyone who works for Yahoo Groups I'll do my best to 
convert them to HP adult fandom.

Steve wrote:
>>> I always post in the Web version of the group because I really 
don't like my computer cluttered up by thousands of emails. That 
means that I didn't archive any of the posts I made <<<

There are archives of posts so don't give up hope of your favourite 
essays resurfacing.

I'm also confused by your reasoning here. I think (though I may well 
be wrong) that one can set one's membership to "Special notices" 
or "No email", thus receive no or few email from the list, use the 
web view for reading the list, and still post from an email client 
using the email address in your membership profile. That way you'd 
not clutter your mail tool's inbox, but you would be keeping your 
own copy of the emails you send to the list. What you'd loose is 
some threading, since Yahoo would not realize that some of your 
posts were replies, but that may be a small price to pay.

At least, that's how I think it works.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 09:16:38 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:16:38 -0000
Subject: Uncle Alphard /  Aberforth /  Apparation / wizarding New World /
In-Reply-To: <cgt997+jrvi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgur9m+vu2e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> Tory Santillie wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23998 :
> 
> << I have a question from Chapter 6 when Sirius and Harry are 
> looking at the Black Family Tree. Sirius is pointing out where his 
> name was blasted out and telling Harry about when he ran away from 
> home. ... 
> 
> Has there been any discussion about Uncle Alfad on the lists? (snip)
> I wonder what Sirius was thinking? >>

> Catlady:
> 
> As per your next post, his name is Alphard, which is the name of a
> star, ... Alpha Hydrae is named "Alphard or Cor Hydrae [meaning]
> "the solitary" or "heart of the hydra"". 
> 
> When I made a Black family tree, Alphard ended up what I think is
> called a second cousin once removed (Sirius's grandfather's sister's
> son) ...edited...
> 

Asian_lovr2:

Just a little side note on this subject. It's one I've made several
times before, but I think it is an important distinction and will come
into the main story when and if Sirius Black's estate is resolved.

Many family estates are encumbered, that is they have restrictions on
how they can be inherited and dispersed. The most common and straight
forward is that the oldest son inherits the bulk of the family estate.
Other siblings generally only get amounts as specifically stated in
the Will.

However, Sirius's money in Vault#711 probably represent his own
personal money and not the family money. The money in that vault is
probably the money the Uncle Alphard left to Sirius and any money
Sirius may have accumulated in his life time. 

Harry has a relatively good chance of inheriting that money since it
is unencumbered by any inheritance tradition. The real struggle will
come over the Black Family Estate. In this case, Draco is the nearest
living relative who is a direct decendant and first born son, so I
think the struggle for the estate will be between Harry and Draco.
Harry won't necessarily want the 'blood' money, but he definitely
won't want Draco to have it. 



> Catlady continues on another subject:
>
> Human Tupperware wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24000 :
> 
> << Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head and has
> innappropriate relations with goats... >>
> 

Asian_Lovr2 interjects:

Aberforth was convicted of practicing inappropriate CHARMS on a goat.
True, even I agree there is a certain amount of innuendo in that, but
the book says CHARMS.


> Catlady responds:
>
> Or it might turns out that the dinginess and goat smell are a 
> DISGUISE (and "I'm not sure he can read" was just a JOKE) and 
> Aberforth REALLY is that dignified man. 
> 

Asian_lovr2:

I may be reading more into this statement than was intended, but my
point is still valid in view of many other people's speculation that
Aberforth is the 'lion-man'.

Relative to that one issue, I don't think it's possible for Aberforth
to be the 'lion-man' (re: HBP description from JKR's website) because
we have a description of Aberforth; he looks like Dumbledore, tall,
thin, long grey hair, long grey beard, and that doesn't fit the
'lion-man'.

Sorry if that's not what you were alluding to, but it is a point I've
wanted to make for a while now.


> Julie wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24003 :
> 
> << IMO, the distance between Massachusettes and the British Isles is
> not that great in the Wizarding World because of the ability to
> apparate.... \>>
> 
> Steve lots_of_Y!names already pointed out the limits of Apparation.
> I'm here with the supporting quote. It's from QUIDDITCH THROUGH THE
> AGES chapter 9: "[ ...Apparation becomes increasingly unreliable
> over very long distances, and only highly skilled wizards are wise 
> to attempt it across continents)." Across the Atlantic is an
> even longer (and wetter) distance than across North America, ...
> 


Asian_lovr2:

For reference, this is something I have given a lot of thought to. The
route from England to the 'New World' via Apparation with an assumed
300 to 500 mile limit is-

London to Scotland
Scotland to the Fareo Island
Fareo Islands to Iceland
Iceland to Greenland
three hops across the Greenland Ice Sheet
West Greenland to Baffin Islands (Canada)
Baffin Islands to Labrador (Canada)
Labrador to Quebec or New Brunswick (Canada)
New Brunswick/Quebec to the good old USA

Also, not everyone who came to the New World came to escape poverty,
some came to get rich or richer exploiting new materials and resources.

Also, I'm desperately hoping they learn how to Apparate in 6th year,
because I'm keen to learn all the details and limits.


> Catlady continues:
> 
> << which could be one explanation why in the Potterverse we do not
> hear of any wizarding schools in the colonies.... >>
> 
> << I'm not familiar with the Women's Institute. >>
> 
> http://www.womens-institute.co.uk/
> 
> Acccording to my memory, the scene in GoF is several middle-aged
> witches in lawn chairs under a banner reading 'Salem Witches'
> Institute'. If it WERE a school, why no students ...?

Asian_lovr2:

My first reaction was to assume the Salem Witches Institute was a
school, but there is really nothing supporting that. More likely it is
a social/business/fraternal type organization.

As a very side note, it their is only one school of wizardry in the
USA, it is probably in New Orleans. That is one magic city. There are
magic, witchcraft, and Voodoo shops operating there in the plain sight
of Muggles. Who knows how much of a magic world is hidden behind the
scenes. 

Although, it was many posts ago, we once speculated on all the places
where magic schools might exist in the USA. My guesses were New
Orleans, Black Hills of South Dakota (Sioux/Ojibwa), Arizona (Navaho),
San Francisco, and possibly Salem.

Just a few thoughts, for what they're worth.

Steve/asian_lovr2 (but hopes to be bboyminn in a few weeks)





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 09:45:43 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:45:43 -0000
Subject: Steve's Yahoo Username Blues . . .
In-Reply-To: <cguits+fiu2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgut07+d449@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" <dumbledad at g...>
wrote:

> Steve wrote:
> >>> I always post in the Web version of the group because I really 
> don't like my computer cluttered up by thousands of emails. That 
> means that I didn't archive any of the posts I made <<<
> 
> There are archives of posts so don't give up hope of your favourite 
> essays resurfacing.

Steve/Asian_lovr2:

You missed one small detail. When the username 'boybluemn' vanished so
did every single post I ever made. Believe me, I check very carefull,
but they were all GONE. When 'bboy_mn' vanished, my post in discussion
groups remained. 

I have since figured out that this happened because the 'boybluemn'
username didn't have a first name listed. If you look at the message
page in the groups, each person who posts is identified two ways, the
first is 'Name/Email' and the second is by 'Yahoo ID'. If you don't
have at least a first name listed in your Yahoo Profile, then user ID
is placed in both fields. When the username disappears, there is no
longer anything to reference the posts to, so they are lost. If you go
back to the very beginning of the group message list, you will see
many posts that have a first name (Name/Email) listed but don't have a
Yahoo ID. That because the Yahoo ID's they were posting under no
longer exist, but the Groups archieve still has that first name that
it can use to reference the post to. So my advice is, at least put a
first name in your Yahoo User Profile.

> 
> I'm also confused by your reasoning here. I think (though I may well 
> be wrong) that one can set one's membership to "Special notices" 
> or "No email", thus receive no or few email from the list, use the 
> web view for reading the list, and still post from an email client 
> using the email address in your membership profile. ...edited...
> 
> At least, that's how I think it works.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dumbledad.

Asian_lovr2/Steve:

The drawback to reading on-line and using a local email client program
to respond is that you break the thread. That is, your reply is not
direct at the post you are replying to, and is not part of the thread.
It shows up in the group as a stand-alone post. 

While that is not a disaster, there is a reason why posts are group
into related threads, and why replies are attached to the post you are
replying to. That is to keep the discussion contained, easily
accessable, and easy to follow. There are posts all the time in the
groups that break the thread, and again life goes on; no disaster. 

So, it is a judgement call, I prefer to be included in the threaded
structure of a discussion.

What I wish Yahoo had is the ability to add a CC: (copy to) address to
a post. That way I could email myself a copy. 

It would also be nice if there was an option for Forward a post. That
way I could forward any intersting posts to my email box. True, I can
cut and paste, but it would be convinient to let my email program
manage the storing and viewing of these saved posts. That way they are
all accessable in once place and managable by a single user interface.
Or alternately, you could forward copies to friends who might be
interested. 

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/asian_lovr2 (who hope to be 'bboyminn' soon.)






From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 10:06:56 2004
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:06:56 -0000
Subject: Steve's Yahoo Username Blues . . .
In-Reply-To: <cgut07+d449@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cguu80+g9l8@eGroups.com>

Steve:

> It would also be nice if there was an option for Forward a post. 
That way I could forward any intersting posts to my email box. True, 
I can cut and paste, but it would be convinient to let my email 
program manage the storing and viewing of these saved posts. That 
way they are all accessable in once place and managable by a single 
user interface.
> Or alternately, you could forward copies to friends who might be 
interested. 
 
KathyK:

Ah, but you can forward messages.  Look at the top and bottom of 
this post.  In addition to being able to "Reply" there is an option 
to "Forward."  You can click on that and fill in your own email 
address, or the email adress of whomever you wanted to send the post 
to.

KathyK, hoping Steve's name troubles come to an end soon




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 11:17:37 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:17:37 -0000
Subject: Steve's Yahoo Username Blues . . .
In-Reply-To: <cgsrj0+38vj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgv2ch+s516@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <asian_lovr2 at y...> 
wrote:

> 
> If the best groups weren't on Yahoo, I wouldn't use it at all. 
After
> this last username barely making it a month, I don't see any reason
> why I would ever pay for a Yahoo email account again. Yahoo really
> doesn't provide me with much incentive to do business with them. 
> 
> Thanks for letting me rant.
> 
> Steve

At the risk of offending the gods of email addresses, I have used 
the same free Yahoo! address for over ten years.  I attribute this 
to clean living. (However, I would trade my Yahoo! address at the 
drop of a hat for some dirty living!)

Haggridd




From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Aug 30 15:05:02 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:05:02 -0000
Subject: Emma Chamber info ...
In-Reply-To: <19a.28f30d04.2e6362fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cgvfmu+h089@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
>  It lists movies she's made since "Notting Hill" so I think she is 
still 
> alive enough to play Tonks!  

I'm getting really confused.  Emma Chambers plays Alice in Dibley, 
and plays that character brilliantly, and she was also in Notting 
Hill, and played that character well too.  However, Charlotte Coleman 
(Who sadly is no longer with us) played Scarlett in Four Weddings, 
would have been absolutely perfect for Tonks, NOT Emma Chambers.  She 
would be far too old (sorry Emma).  Tonks is young and enthusiastic 
with wild coloured hair - if anyone remembers Charlotte Coleman 
playing Marmalade Atkins, and then Scarlett in 4W&aF you'll know she 
would have been spot on.  I'm sure there will be a perfect casting 
when the time is right - they haven't been far off the mark so far 
have they?
Sarah xx




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 15:05:19 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:05:19 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgtp7b+8dnf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgvfnf+famg@eGroups.com>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24070

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kizor0" <ryokas at h...> wrote:
> Hi. After getting positive feedback in chat, I decided to have a
> little fun and ask people: Were you in the position to come up with
> some enchanted novelty items, what'd you give to the wizarding
> community? Don't be too concerned about feasibility - we have very
> little idea of what is and isn't doable anyway.
> 
>Snip> 
> - Kizor

Kizor adds:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24071

A typo in the topic sure gives a nice first impression. *Sigh*

Dudemom_2000 says:

I understand the typo having been a victim of the Typus Eronius 
curse myself - actually Wizarding Wheezies makes me think of a candy 
that makes you whistle like a threepenny whistle! 

Or, Walloping Whompers - a candy that gives you a beaver's tail!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Aug 30 15:08:03 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:08:03 -0000
Subject: Steve's Yahoo Username Blues . . .
In-Reply-To: <cgut07+d449@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgvfsj+of44@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:

> You missed one small detail. When the username 'boybluemn' 
vanished so
> did every single post I ever made. Believe me, I check very 
carefull,
> but they were all GONE. When 'bboy_mn' vanished, my post in 
discussion
> groups remained. 

Nevertheless, they may be retained in *our* archives, if these were 
made before your disaster.

They are at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives2
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives3

zipped up in the files area in each case.  If you could say roughly 
when 'boybluemn' was active, I could have a look for you.

David




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 16:07:43 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:07:43 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgtp7b+8dnf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgvjcf+10bd9@eGroups.com>

Kizor wrote:
 
> I know it'd be both good form and good for the topic if I provided
> some initial examples, but I'm afraid that I'm rather tired right 
now
> and consequently my imagination is stuck in loose cannon mode. If I
> tried to come up with something the result would be about as sane 
as
> candy that makes the eater change gender for a few seconds. 

Well, that one sounds cool, except why only for a few seconds?  I 
guess we already have Polyjuice.  JKR hasn't demonstrated anyone 
changing genders with it, but you would think if you could lose an 
eye and acquire completely different physical characteristics for an 
hour, you could change genitals too.

But back to Wheezes.  Let's see . . . between Roald Dahl and JKR 
there have already been so many great ideas . . . I like the one 
that makes you spit in 6 different colors, even though that actually 
doesn't require magic from either Willy Wonka or Weasleys' Wizarding 
Wheezes.  If you're content to take your colors sequentially, a 
plain old Muggle gobstopper will do it.

I would like candies that:

-allow one to throw one's voice.

-disappear as soon as the person tries to bite into them.  A box of 
those, beautifully wrapped and looking luscious, would be a great 
screw-you gift to someone who's just broken up with you.

-are invisible (for eating in class, etc.).

-taste just like Godiva chocolates but have no calories.  No 
Nutrasweet, please.

-combine chocolate, crisped rice and caramel.  Yeah, sure, Muggles 
could make those, but AFAIK no Muggle company has yet.  Please let 
me know if I'm wrong.

My all-time favorite WWW is the Skiving Snackbox.  It proves that 
Fred & George aren't in business just for a laugh or for a Galleon, 
but to serve human needs.

Amy Z




From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Aug 30 17:19:31 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:19:31 EDT
Subject: CV
Message-ID: <1d8.2a76029c.2e64bba3@aol.com>

"Any more wishes I can grant?

CV"

OH YES, a house in London, lunch with Jo Rowling and a tour of the Harry 
Potter set's at Leavesden!!  Can you grant those wishes?  :)

"Luna"  ... (who thanks you for the cut & paste info)


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From rxtlc at comcast.net  Mon Aug 30 18:09:47 2004
From: rxtlc at comcast.net (poppywannab)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:09:47 -0000
Subject: Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
Message-ID: <cgvqhb+78da@eGroups.com>

Just to let you guys know that my very own little Harry finally made his entrance into the 
world on 7:32 on August 19th, 2004, weighing in at 9 pounds, 11 ounces and 22 inches 
long.  I had a c-section and then spent a few more days at my in laws recovering, so it will 
be a while before I am through all the posts I have missed.   But I thought you guys who 
had wished me good luck and helped keep my mind off of the impending delivery would 
like to know.  And wouldn't you know, he actually looks a little like Baby Harry in the first 
movie!  (no scar though, thank goodness)   
Poppywannab/ Jenn and 
introducing 
Harrison Sidney Goldman Phynn
(note: not a law firm, just a sweet baby boy)  :)




From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug 30 19:14:37 2004
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:14:37 -0000
Subject: Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
In-Reply-To: <cgvqhb+78da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cgvuat+jo17@eGroups.com>

Congratulations, and welcome to baby Harry! Enjoy each precious 
moment with your infant son... they grow up so fast. My only 
daughter, treasured pride and joy of my life and fellow Harry Potter 
fan, is starting university this week! 
Nicole 




From helenhorsley at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 30 21:09:04 2004
From: helenhorsley at hotmail.com (dorapye)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:09:04 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgvjcf+10bd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch051g+6772@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> I would like candies that:
snip!
> -combine chocolate, crisped rice and caramel.  Yeah, sure, Muggles 
> could make those, but AFAIK no Muggle company has yet.  Please let 
> me know if I'm wrong.

That'll be a Rowntree's Toffee Crisp! A perfect combination of 
chocolate, crisped rice and gooey toffee (caramel, really). A very 
common confectionery in the UK, but I'm guessing you're American, 
Amy, by your use of the word 'candies'? Ask a British friend to send 
you some Toffee Crisps - I'm sure they won't disappoint!

dorapye






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 22:57:17 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:57:17 -0000
Subject: Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
In-Reply-To: <cgvqhb+78da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0bcd+keo9@eGroups.com>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/post?
act=reply&messageNum=24083

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poppywannab" <rxtlc at c...> 
wrote:
> Just to let you guys know that my very own little Harry finally 
made his entrance into the world on 7:32 on August 19th, 2004, 
weighing in at 9 pounds, 11 ounces and 22 inches long.  I had a c-
section and then spent a few more days at my in laws recovering, so 
it will be a while before I am through all the posts I have 
missed.   But I thought you guys who had wished me good luck and 
helped keep my mind off of the impending delivery would like to 
know.  And wouldn't you know, he actually looks a little like Baby 
Harry in the first movie!  (no scar though, thank goodness)   
> Poppywannab/ Jenn and 
> introducing 
> Harrison Sidney Goldman Phynn
> (note: not a law firm, just a sweet baby boy)  :)

Dudemom_2000 says:

*breaking out the baby rattles*
Congratulations! Give little Harry lots of love and kisses from us 
all! 

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 23:30:21 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:30:21 -0000
Subject: Possible New Director for OoP
Message-ID: <ch0dad+m6bd@eGroups.com>

Mira Nair has possibly been chosen to direct OoP. She has a lot of 
great credits to her name: Monsoon Wedding, Missippi Marsala, Salaam 
Bombay!, and the Kama Sutra. I have seen all of these films and have 
been continually impressed by her work. Salaam Bombay in particular -
she used real street children and she captured their despair and the 
reality of their situations. She would be a magnificent director and 
certainly able to capture Harry as a teenager full of anger and 
confusion.....

Hoping she takes the job.....

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Aug 30 23:43:03 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:43:03 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgvjcf+10bd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0e27+dn0q@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:

> Well, that one sounds cool, except why only for a few seconds?  I 
> guess we already have Polyjuice.  JKR hasn't demonstrated anyone 
> changing genders with it, but you would think if you could lose an 
> eye and acquire completely different physical characteristics for 
an 
> hour, you could change genitals too.

Why so physical?  You could just have a sweet that leaves you - or 
your ex-friend - as a man trapped in a woman's body, or vice versa 
(unless you already were, in which case it would be verse visa, or 
something).

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Aug 30 23:47:52 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:47:52 -0000
Subject: Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
In-Reply-To: <cgvqhb+78da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0eb8+mhii@eGroups.com>

Poppywannab wrote:

> Just to let you guys know that my very own little Harry finally 
made his entrance into the 
> world on 7:32 on August 19th, 2004, weighing in at 9 pounds, 11 
ounces and 22 inches 
> long.

Congratulations!

 > introducing 
> Harrison Sidney Goldman Phynn
> (note: not a law firm, just a sweet baby boy)  :)

*sporfle*

David,

wondering if a c-section without a scar is some kind of miracle




From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue Aug 31 00:25:42 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:25:42 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
Message-ID: <1a0.28fe51d9.2e651f86@aol.com>

Congrats!

Mum Weasley AKA Meira


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From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 00:25:53 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:25:53 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgvjcf+10bd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0gih+fmin@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:

>  
> ...edited...
> 
> I would like candies that:
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> -taste just like Godiva chocolates but have no calories.  No 
> Nutrasweet, please.
> 
> Amy Z


Asian_lovr2:

I'm really surprised that someone hasn't actually invented this one
(in the HP world that is).

All you would need to do is make candy and ice cream (..mmmmm..) that
had been conjured, but had a spell put on it to delay it's return to
'nothingness'. The return to nothingness could be delayed until the
food reached your stomach and then it would vanish.

That way you could eat all the ice cream, cake, and candy you wanted
and nat consume a single calory; no sugar, no fat, no calories, just
flavor, flavor, flavor. 

All the pleasure with none of the guilt.


Steve/asian_lovr2





From seeker at texasquidditch.com  Tue Aug 31 02:19:38 2004
From: seeker at texasquidditch.com (texasquidditch)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:19:38 -0000
Subject: wizarding New World
In-Reply-To: <cgur9m+vu2e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0n7q+fq3q@eGroups.com>

>> Although, it was many posts ago, we once speculated on all the 
places
> where magic schools might exist in the USA. My guesses were New
> Orleans, Black Hills of South Dakota (Sioux/Ojibwa), Arizona 
(Navaho),
> San Francisco, and possibly Salem.
> Steve/asian_lovr2 (but hopes to be bboyminn in a few weeks)

But don't forget Texas! Here's a photo of the wizarding school here: 
http://www.texasquidditch.com/TMAU.html

Seeker







From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 02:48:33 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:48:33 -0000
Subject: Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
In-Reply-To: <cgvqhb+78da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0ou1+ju8q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poppywannab" <rxtlc at c...> 
wrote:
> Just to let you guys know that my very own little Harry finally 
made his entrance into the 
> world on 7:32 on August 19th, 2004, weighing in at 9 pounds, 11 
ounces and 22 inches 
> long.  I had a c-section and then spent a few more days at my in 
laws recovering, so it will 
> be a while before I am through all the posts I have missed.   But 
I thought you guys who 
> had wished me good luck and helped keep my mind off of the 
impending delivery would 
> like to know.  And wouldn't you know, he actually looks a little 
like Baby Harry in the first 
> movie!  (no scar though, thank goodness)  

His mama got it instead.  Congratulations!  I hope you recover fast 
and enjoy every magical moment!

Amy Z




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 02:52:18 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:52:18 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch0e27+dn0q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0p52+45ri@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
Amy Z wrote:
 
> > Well, that one sounds cool, except why only for a few seconds?  
I 
> > guess we already have Polyjuice.  JKR hasn't demonstrated anyone 
> > changing genders with it, but you would think if you could lose 
an 
> > eye and acquire completely different physical characteristics 
for 
> an 
> > hour, you could change genitals too.

David wrote:

> Why so physical?  You could just have a sweet that leaves you - or 
> your ex-friend - as a man trapped in a woman's body, or vice versa 
> (unless you already were, in which case it would be verse visa, or 
> something).

Not sure I'm getting the difference.  You mean, the effect would be 
that I, a woman, eat the WWW and remain in my female body but 
the "I" that's in there is now male?  Gender reassignment instead of 
sex reassignment, I guess it would be.

Intriguing, but all in all I'd rather have the toffee crisp.

Amy Z




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 03:01:51 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:01:51 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch051g+6772@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0pmv+pnnu@eGroups.com>

Dorapye wrote:

> That'll be a Rowntree's Toffee Crisp! A perfect combination of 
> chocolate, crisped rice and gooey toffee (caramel, really).

YUM!  Yes, I'm from the US and we don't have that combo here, at 
least not in any region I've ever lived.  I will start dropping 
hints to friends in the UK immediately.  

And Steve will make it possible for me to eat them by the carton 
(the Rowntree's Toffee Crisps, not the friends).  I wrote:

> -taste just like Godiva chocolates but have no calories. No
> Nutrasweet, please.

The HPfGUer Formerly Known as Bboy wrote:

>I'm really surprised that someone hasn't actually invented this one
>(in the HP world that is).

>All you would need to do is make candy and ice cream (..mmmmm..) 
>that had been conjured, but had a spell put on it to delay it's 
>return to 'nothingness'. The return to nothingness could be delayed 
>until the food reached your stomach and then it would vanish.

>That way you could eat all the ice cream, cake, and candy you wanted
>and nat consume a single calory; no sugar, no fat, no calories, just
>flavor, flavor, flavor.

Maybe something like this is in effect at Hogwarts.  Not for all of 
the food, of course, or the kids would starve, but for some of it 
(desserts only?).  They sure do eat a lot and it's a wonder they 
don't all gain 20 pounds their first term.  Maybe, as in the 
Discworld, making magic uses a tremendous amount of energy.

Amy Z




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 03:18:16 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:18:16 -0000
Subject: Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
In-Reply-To: <cgvqhb+78da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch0qlo+c4fe@eGroups.com>

 
> Poppywannab/ Jenn and 
> introducing 
> Harrison Sidney Goldman Phynn
> (note: not a law firm, just a sweet baby boy)  :)


Alla : Congratulations!




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 31 03:18:20 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:18:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yet another Harry.... completely OT!!
In-Reply-To: <cgvqhb+78da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEHEDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Welcome, Baby Harry!  Hope your mom's feeling more betterer. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 31 03:32:00 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:32:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgvjcf+10bd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEHFDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Amy wrote]:

| guess we already have Polyjuice.  JKR hasn't demonstrated anyone
| changing genders with it, but you would think if you could lose an
| eye and acquire completely different physical characteristics for an
| hour, you could change genitals too.

[Lee]:
If I recall from Barty Jr.'s tale, his mother took polyjuice until she died
so she would be Junior, and Junior had taken the stuff to be his mom so his
dad could get him out.

There would definitely have to be a physical gender change there.  Now,
that's what I would call man being trapped in a woman's body, etc., since
the physical characteristics are changed, but the drives, feelings, memories
are of the other gender. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Trying to fix a friend's computer and going absitively posolutely nuts
trying to track down the source of a "Bad Command Or File Name"...)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 04:22:09 2004
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:22:09 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEHFDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <ch0udh+3a6g@eGroups.com>


-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [Amy wrote]:
> 
> | guess we already have Polyjuice.  JKR hasn't demonstrated anyone
> | changing genders with it, but you would think if you could lose an
> | eye and acquire completely different physical characteristics for an
> | hour, you could change genitals too.
> 
> [Lee]:
> If I recall from Barty Jr.'s tale, his mother took polyjuice until
she died
> so she would be Junior, and Junior had taken the stuff to be his mom
so his
> dad could get him out.

Ack!  Amy missed Barty Jr.'s mom being polyjuiced as Barty!  Sign Lee
up for L.O.O.N. membership!!!

-Jen, who is also a L.O.O.N., but read the post so fast that she
didn't remember Barty and his mom, either...




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 06:15:48 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:15:48 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch0udh+3a6g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch152k+rnj0@eGroups.com>

Jen cried:

> Ack!  Amy missed Barty Jr.'s mom being polyjuiced as Barty!  Sign 
Lee
> up for L.O.O.N. membership!!!

Lee, you can have a lifetime membership as long as you don't tell 
anyone I forgot about Barty & Mom.

Amy Z
running away before the L.O.O.N. enforcement squad catches up




From esk at europa.com  Tue Aug 31 08:22:47 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:22:47 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgvjcf+10bd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch1cgn+jvj7@eGroups.com>

"Amy Z" wrote:

> I would like candies that:
>  
> -combine chocolate, crisped rice and caramel.  Yeah, sure, Muggles 
> could make those, but AFAIK no Muggle company has yet.  Please let 
> me know if I'm wrong.

I love that combination too, and yes, it has been done. I hardly ever
see it anymore, but it's called the $100,000 Bar. I think it's
Nestl? that produces it. They also had a while back a limited
edition Nestl? Crunch Halloween candy-sized bar assortment that had
multiple other ingredients paired with a Nestl? Crunch Bar base.
Caramel was one of the combinations. Unfortunately the market I shop
in didn't carry it, and I missed out on them.  :-(
So if you ever run across a $100,000 Bar when you're shopping, you'll
know what to do. <g>

Cindy




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 09:19:40 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:19:40 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch0pmv+pnnu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch1frc+gkbn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:

> 
> The HPfGUer Formerly Known as Bboy wrote:
> 
 
> >That way you could eat all the ice cream, cake, and candy you wanted
> >and nat consume a single calory; no sugar, no fat, no calories, just
> >flavor, flavor, flavor.

> Amy:
> 
> Maybe something like this is in effect at Hogwarts.  Not for all of 
> the food, of course, or the kids would starve, but for some of it 
> (desserts only?).  They sure do eat a lot and it's a wonder they 
> don't all gain 20 pounds their first term.  Maybe, as in the 
> Discworld, making magic uses a tremendous amount of energy.
> 
> Amy Z

Asian_lovr/Steve:

Wondering why Hogwart's students don't gain weight?

Answer: Large 8 story** building with 16 story** (best guess) Towers
and NO ELEVATORS. 

All that walking up and down the stair plus traipsing up and down the
(steeply) sloping lawns, and you are certain to burn a load of
calories each day.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr2 (soon to be bboyminn)

**Note: The entrance to Gryffindor common room is on the 7th floor by
UK terminology which is the 8th floor in the USA. UK= ground floor,
first floor, etc...; USA= 1st floor, 2nd floor, etc... (although
sometime commercial building have a designated ground floor).

**Note: Gryffindor tower must be at least 14 floors, since the dorm
rooms are round they must cover an entire floor of the tower. That
means 7 floors for the 7 school years of boys, and another 7 for
girls. Plus, I suspect an addition floor each for the boys and girls
bathrooms. Total=16 floor. Just my personal belief, but I think the
Astronomy Tower is probably taller that the Dorm Towers. And, remember
all these rooms have very high ceilings. That makes Hoqwarts the
biggest castle ever build anywhere in the world, or at least in the
muggle world.





From esk at europa.com  Tue Aug 31 09:32:06 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:32:06 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <cgtp7b+8dnf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch1gim+dkq8@eGroups.com>

"kizor0" wrote:
> Hi. After getting positive feedback in chat, I decided to have a
> little fun and ask people: Were you in the position to come up with
> some enchanted novelty items, what'd you give to the wizarding
> community? Don't be too concerned about feasibility - we have very
> little idea of what is and isn't doable anyway.
> 
Although I've mainly heard ideas for candy so far, I think it would be fun to 
expand into the Ministry of Magic consumer base. Why not make a prank form 
that's charmed so that it will engulf the person signing it with red tape?  <g> 
They could use something to laugh about while hanging around the pumpkin 
juice cooler . . .

Cindy




From suzchiles at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 10:55:31 2004
From: suzchiles at gmail.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:55:31 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Possible New Director for OoP
In-Reply-To: <ch0dad+m6bd@eGroups.com>
References: <ch0dad+m6bd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdafbf0408310355314d00aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:30:21 -0000, dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Mira Nair has possibly been chosen to direct OoP. She has a lot of
> great credits to her name: Monsoon Wedding, Missippi Marsala, Salaam
> Bombay!, and the Kama Sutra. I have seen all of these films and have
> been continually impressed by her work. Salaam Bombay in particular -
> she used real street children and she captured their despair and the
> reality of their situations. She would be a magnificent director and
> certainly able to capture Harry as a teenager full of anger and
> confusion.....

I am very happy about this possibility as well. I have been impressed
with Monsoon Wedding and Mississippi Masala. I am also impressed with
the trend the producers are exhibiting in the choice of directors:
top-drawer people, like Cuaron and Newell,  who are not primarily
known for directing children's films, like Columbus. This gives me 
very high hopes for the future of the Harry Potter films.

Suzanne
-- 
Suzanne Chiles
suzchiles at pobox.com
suzchiles at gmail.com



From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 11:01:21 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:01:21 -0000
Subject: Ideas- Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies & Many Others
In-Reply-To: <cgtp7b+8dnf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch1lq1+f48p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kizor0" <ryokas at h...> wrote:
> Hi. After getting positive feedback in chat, I decided to have a
> little fun and ask people: Were you in the position to come up with
> some enchanted novelty items, what'd you give to the wizarding
> community? Don't be too concerned about feasibility - we have very
> little idea of what is and isn't doable anyway.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> - Kizor

Asian_lovr2:

Slightly off the beam, but here are Harry and Ron products that have
sprung up in the parallel universe that is my own perverse imagination.

Harry Potter's Wizard's Brew - All Natural Suprisingly Strong Ginger
Ale (or Ginger Beer in the UK) Orginally, this was a present from Ron
to Harry. Ron had a local UK bottler of natural spicy ginger brew
bottle a small run using bottles and labels that Ron designed. Sort of
a private label brewed just for Harry. Eventually, there was enough
interest from friends and other wizards that they turned it into a
full-fledged business.

Harry Potter's Premium Wizard's Brew - similar to the above but
slightly less sweet and with much more ginger 'fire'. Appeals more to
adults whereas regular Wizard's Brew appeals to kids and the faint of
heart.

Harry Potter's Ginger Cream Ice Cream - (actually taste much better
than you might imagine) with monthy flavor variations like strawberry
swirl, peach, raspberry, chocolate swirl, etc.... (Actually, made and
sold  by Mr. Fortescue for Harry)

Harry Potter Ginger Cream Ice Cream Snack Bars (ice cream on a stick
dipped in chocolate) - plain, raspberry swirl, with toffee bits, with
chocolate bits, with almond bits, and coffee. (Made in a factory run
by elves, and under the quality control supervision of Mr. Fortescue.)

Harry Potter's Emerald Eyes Full Flavored Gin - Very similar to Bombay
Sapphire, very smooth, but with a stronger more distinct flavor. The
full flavor of Dutch gin combined with the complexity, mildness, and
subtlety of the best London Dry Gin. Distilled using standard methods,
but the botanical flavors are magically infused which accounts for it
'full flavor'. 

Harry Potter's Ginger Shandy (or Shandygaff) - Only occassionally
available. This is a UK summer drink made by mixing lemonade
(Sprite/7-Up not real leamonade) or ginger ale with light golden Lager
(beer). 

Harry Potter's Gin & Ginger - a mild premixed and bottled blend of
Wizard's Brew and HP Emerald Gin. Only available at special events.

Ron Weasley's Red Hot Meat Sticks - slim 'bar food'-type spicy
pepperoni meat snacks spiced with hot/cool/sweet ginger blend.

Ron Weasley's Ginger-Spiced Mustard - common spice mustard with a
pleasant hint of ginger. Taste great on the next products listed.

Harry Potter's Ginger Cured Hams - Ginger cured and sweet ginger
glazed. Available to the general public, both muggle and magic.

Harry Potter's Ginger Feed Ginger Cured Hams - available only to
magical commercial outlets like bars, cafes, Inns, etc.... The pigs
are feed the scrap Ginger from the HP Wizard's Brew factory. I really
gives the meat a nice mild but interesting flavor. Hams are then
ginger cured and ginger glazed. Although, the rest of the pig is not
wasted. The Ginger Lemon Pork Chops (recipe available upon request -
REALLY) available at the Three Broomstick are ooooooooh soooooo good.

Harry Potter's Lemon Candied Ginger - thinly shaved ginger glazed with
 sweet highly concentrated lemon ginger syrup. Also, made for the
left-overs of the Wizard's Brew factory

The output of the HP Wizard's Brew factory comes in two forms;
drinkable liquid in bottles and a highly concentrated syrup. Harry and
Ron tried to think up other ways they could use the syrup, and that
eventually lead to the other 'ginger' products. The first invented,
after Wizard's Brew, was Ginger Cream Ice Cream. Other products
evolved from their.

Other NON-edible Harry/Ron products-

Harry Potter's Personal Care Products - this is an off-shoot of
something Fred and George invented. Initially, it was invented as a
personal lubricant (I can say no more) that had lubricating, cleaning,
and disinfecting properties in addition to a wide range of desirable
fruit and other flavors. Harry got the idea to enhance the various
core aspect in order to create a several new lines of products which
resulted in the following.

Harry Potter's Magic Shampoo and Conditioners - non-toxic to the point
of being nearly edible, non-irritating even if you get it in your
eyes. Very mild and especial safe for kids, but strong enough to tame
even Hagrid's hair.

Harry Potter's Magic Bar Soap - Looks similar to muggle glycerin soap.
also available in liguid hand soap. Also, a handy waterless hand cleaner.

Harry Potter's Magic Cleaners - general purpose, furniture polish and
reconditioner, surface disinfector, other assorted general cleaning
prodcuts.

Additional Business Ventures-

Harry and Ron help Dobby start several businesses. First, Dobby is
hired as a consultant to perfect there various food recipes. Then
Harry get's the idea of Dobby's House-Elf Catering, which in turn
leads to Dobby's House-Elf Bakery. Dobby, who marries Winky,
eventually becomes one very rich Elf.

My Theory - (HA! Like you really thought you could get away without
hearing one of my theories.)

There is the question of what Harry will do after Hogwarts. My theory
is that Harry will try an assortment of ventures including being a
Auror, but will eventually discover that an investment he made very
early on has paid tremendous benefits, and that a brilliant career was
mapped out for him without him even realizing it.

I am speaking, of course, of his investment in Fred and George's Joke
Shop which I speculate will expand into other areas and make millions
for everyone close to the Weasley family. Even expanding to the point
where Weasley's will become the largest employer in the wizard world
and a very substantial muggle business as well.

Initially Harry will refuse repayment of the money he gave to Fred and
George. So, unknown to Harry, and as a way of repaying him, Fred and
George will make Harry a full partner in the business and just stash
Harry profit into Gringott's until Harry gets tired of struggling with
lesser job. Once the Weasleys are successful, and Harry is slightly
down and out, they will tell him about the many many thousands of
Galleons stashed in the bank in his name, and ask Harry to join the
business. Harry turns out to be a tremendous asset and adds the many
money making product mentioned above. Since many of these products
aren't truly magical, they can be sold in the muggle market as well.

There are several other important products and business ventures
beside the ones I mentioned that Harry and Ron are responsible for.
Most of which are actually Harry's ideas.

There, aren't you glad you asked?

Steve/asian_lovr2 (was bboy_mn, hope to be bboyminn)






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Aug 31 11:53:18 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:53:18 -0000
Subject: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch0p52+45ri@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch1ore+hopb@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:

> Not sure I'm getting the difference.  You mean, the effect would 
be 
> that I, a woman, eat the WWW and remain in my female body but 
> the "I" that's in there is now male?  Gender reassignment instead 
of 
> sex reassignment, I guess it would be.

Oh it was just me being knee-jerky about confusing gender with sex.

> Intriguing, but all in all I'd rather have the toffee crisp.

Well, this is the question: are the wheezes nice things for 
yourself, or pranks for others?  I guess both.

To bring the thing vaguely back on topic, how about a couple of 
sweets that cause you to swop bodies with a friend (comedic 
convention dictates that one of you be a child)?  Though I suspect 
if such were possible Lord Voldemort would have used it long ago - 
unless perhaps magical powers are associated with the body, not the 
mind.

I think that a 'honey I can shrink the kids' pill might be popular, 
too.

David




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 31 12:58:01 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:58:01 -0000
Subject: Ideas- Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies & Many Others
In-Reply-To: <ch1lq1+f48p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch1skp+jgt6@eGroups.com>

> Asian_lovr2:
<snipping>
> Other NON-edible Harry/Ron products-
> Harry Potter's Magic Shampoo and Conditioners - non-toxic to the 
point
> of being nearly edible, non-irritating even if you get it in your
> eyes. Very mild and especial safe for kids, but strong enough to 
tame
> even Hagrid's hair.
> 
> Harry Potter's Magic Cleaners - general purpose, furniture polish 
and
> reconditioner, surface disinfector, other assorted general cleaning
> prodcuts.


Jen: Your non-edible line of products reminded me of the Mrs. Piggle-
Wiggle stories--anyone else love those stories? After spending the 
summer at home with my son, I want to see a line of Emergency Parent-
Assistance remedies ala Mrs. Piggle Wiggle: The Talker-Backer Cure, 
the Won't-Pick-Up-Toys Cure, the Slowpoke Cure.....

Jen, thinking her son probably wishes for a line of Kid Products for 
Irritable Parents ;).





From ryokas at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 31 13:55:21 2004
From: ryokas at hotmail.com (kizor0)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:55:21 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts size (Was: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?)
In-Reply-To: <ch1frc+gkbn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch2009+uo8k@eGroups.com>

> That makes Hoqwarts the
> biggest castle ever build anywhere in the world, or at least in the
> muggle world.

Thanks for the explanation, and thanks for that last bit too ("The 
muggles call it Everest"), though a potential problem for it is the 
fact that interior size is not necessarily much indication of 
exterior size, as several things in the series have demonstrated. 
That raises some questions of its own, of course, but it's a point.

- Kizor




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 14:20:10 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:20:10 -0000
Subject: D'oh!
In-Reply-To: <ch1cgn+jvj7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch21eq+5dvj@eGroups.com>

Esk(erina?) wrote:
 
> I love that combination too, and yes, it has been done. I hardly 
ever
> see it anymore, but it's called the $100,000 Bar. 

Hand me the Smarties, please (not the Muggle version, the WWW 
version, which give the consumer supplementary synapses).  I know 
$100,000 Bars, I've eaten them many times, I love them, and I guess 
I just haven't seen one for a while, because I completely forgot 
they existed.

Amy Z
feeling stupid, but going in search of some now that she knows 
they're somewhere on this side of the Atlantic




From garybec at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 14:55:56 2004
From: garybec at yahoo.com (garybec)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:55:56 -0000
Subject: Possible New Director for OoP
In-Reply-To: <ch0dad+m6bd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch23hs+sqqs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> Mira Nair has possibly been chosen to direct OoP. She has a lot of 
> great credits to her name: Monsoon Wedding, Missippi Marsala, 
Salaam 
> Bombay!, and the Kama Sutra. I have seen all of these films and 
have 
> been continually impressed by her work. Salaam Bombay in 
particular -
> she used real street children and she captured their despair and 
the 
> reality of their situations. She would be a magnificent director 
and 
> certainly able to capture Harry as a teenager full of anger and 
> confusion.....
> 
> Hoping she takes the job.....
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
Becki wonders, not that it really matters;

The quote at Mugglenet from the article-interview of Nair says;

"I read it over the weekend. I'm still deciding... I'm not letting 
all this go to my head. I'm grounded. I practise detachment, it 
helps me keep my balance." ... "I'm a Dilliwalli, only an asana gets 
me on my head! My son Zoharan's excited. I've seen all the Harry 
Potter movies with him." 

My question is, how could she be reading it. I thought Steve Kloves 
was 'on the fence' about writing OotP.  Even if he has decided to do 
it, he couldn't possibly finished it in a matter of weeks.  Perhaps 
she is just reading the book?  

Becki




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 31 16:22:14 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:22:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch0udh+3a6g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEHIDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Jen wrote]:
| Ack!  Amy missed Barty Jr.'s mom being polyjuiced as Barty!  Sign Lee
| up for L.O.O.N. membership!!!
|
| -Jen, who is also a L.O.O.N., but read the post so fast that she
| didn't remember Barty and his mom, either...

[Lee]:
<Grin> Thankya!  Now I must display my ignorance...what is a L.O.O.N.?  Of
course, some think I am a bit loony, but that's my normal state. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Still hacking at friend's computer and trying to figure out what programs
are inhibiting defrag and scandisk from completing....)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 31 16:22:14 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:22:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch152k+rnj0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEHIDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Amy wrote]:

| Lee, you can have a lifetime membership as long as you don't tell
| anyone I forgot about Barty & Mom.
|
| Amy Z
| running away before the L.O.O.N. enforcement squad catches up

I see nothing, I hear nothing, I tell nothing.... :-)

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 16:29:52 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:29:52 -0000
Subject: Possible New Director for OoP
In-Reply-To: <ch23hs+sqqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch2920+2h16@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "garybec" <garybec at y...> wrote:

> > 
> Becki wonders, not that it really matters;
> 
> The quote at Mugglenet from the article-interview of Nair says;
> 
> "I read it over the weekend. I'm still deciding... I'm not letting 
> all this go to my head. I'm grounded. I practise detachment, it 
> helps me keep my balance." ... "I'm a Dilliwalli, only an asana gets 
> me on my head! My son Zoharan's excited. I've seen all the Harry 
> Potter movies with him." 
> 
> My question is, how could she be reading it. I thought Steve Kloves 
> was 'on the fence' about writing OotP.  Even if he has decided to do 
> it, he couldn't possibly finished it in a matter of weeks.  Perhaps 
> she is just reading the book?  
> 
> Becki

Asian_lovr2:

I'm just venturing a guess, but maybe she meant she was reading Harry
Potter over the weekend, not specifically reading OotP. 

I find it unusual that they aren't going with mainstream Hollywood
directors. On one hand it could just be daring movie making, on the
other, it could just be an attempt to get indie directors who will
work cheap.

I seriously doubt that there is enough of a manuscript available for
anyone but the publishers to evaluate. Although, I also expect that
JKR is getting close. She is pregnant again, but say it won't interfer
with the book. No matter how many nannies she can afford, a new baby
in the house WILL interfer. That makes me suspect she intends to have
the book done before she delivers. It may not be on the store shelves,
but I suspect the bulk of it will be in the hands of the publisher. I
just can't see anyway that having a new baby won't slow things down.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr (was bboy_mn)





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Aug 31 16:32:49 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:32:49 EDT
Subject: Sarah - Emma Chambers
Message-ID: <d9.1365ee7e.2e660231@aol.com>

>However, Charlotte Coleman (Who sadly is no longer with us) played Scarlett 
in Four Weddings, would have been absolutely perfect for Tonks, NOT Emma 
Chambers.? She would be far too old (sorry Emma).?<

You think Emma Chambers is too old to play Tonks?  What do you think of the 
woman playing Moaning Murtle?  That's a 30-something playing a 16 year old.  I 
think Emma can pull it off as Tonks.  :)

"Luna"


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 31 16:37:19 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:37:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ideas for Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies?
In-Reply-To: <ch1gim+dkq8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEHJDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hmm--okay, here are a couple...

You know those cute little door-harp chimes with the little balls that run
across pieces of metal and make a pretty sound?  How about one that does
that, but beats up anyone trying to break into your room or house...the
strings on the balls suddenly get longer and the balls start pelting heavily
upon the intruder and, if the intruder doesn't run away, the strings tie the
intruder until one can get help.  Sort of like a door-harp guardian.

Then, there's the mop that's supposed to clean the floor brilliantly, but
ends up turning it some ghastly color or spitting dirt to fill in the clean
patches so they match the dirty ones giving the floor a nice uniform look.

Then, there's a lovely "Tickle Chair" you can offer your guests to sit
in...a harmless-looking, comfortable chair that eventually starts to tickle
the guest mercilessly. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From entropymail at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 16:41:29 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:41:29 -0000
Subject: D'oh!
In-Reply-To: <ch21eq+5dvj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch29np+1028m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> Esk(erina?) wrote:
>  
> > I love that combination too, and yes, it has been done. I hardly 
> ever
> > see it anymore, but it's called the $100,000 Bar. 
> 
> Hand me the Smarties, please (not the Muggle version, the WWW 
> version, which give the consumer supplementary synapses).  I know 
> $100,000 Bars, I've eaten them many times, I love them, and I guess 
> I just haven't seen one for a while, because I completely forgot 
> they existed.

Oooh, yum!  I love those! You probably haven't seen them because
Nestle has changed the name to "100 Grand".  Believe me, it took me a
good long while to make the connection and figure out that they were
the same candy, different name.  D'oh indeed.

:: Entropy ::




From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Aug 31 16:46:31 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:46:31 EDT
Subject: Thanks for the laughs ...
Message-ID: <1db.2a665317.2e660567@aol.com>

Just a quick note to thank you all for the hysterical posts yesterday!  
Having a bad morning here and your notes had me laughing out loud!  :)


"I understand the typo having been a victim of the Typus Eronius 
curse myself " (Dudemom)

"JKR hasn't demonstrated anyone 
changing genders with it, but you would think if you could lose an 
eye and acquire completely different physical characteristics for an 
hour, you could change genitals too."  (Amy Z)

"You could just have a sweet that leaves you - or 
your ex-friend - as a man trapped in a woman's body, or vice versa 
(unless you already were, in which case it would be verse visa, or 
something)."  (David)

"Gender reassignment instead of  sex reassignment, I guess it would be.
Intriguing, but all in all I'd rather have the toffee crisp." (Amy Z)


"Luna"


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 31 16:47:22 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:47:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ideas- Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezies & Many
 Others
In-Reply-To: <ch1lq1+f48p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEHJDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Steve wrote an interesting list of goodies...and I can see that Steve likes
his ginger...as do I. :-)

Ginger is good stuff!

Later,

Lee :-)
(Taking a break from friend's computer before I take a hammer to it!!)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Aug 31 16:47:35 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:47:35 EDT
Subject: Baby Harry
Message-ID: <77.325dd816.2e6605a7@aol.com>

WELCOME BABY HARRY!   What wonderful news.

"Luna"


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From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Tue Aug 31 17:37:57 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:37:57 -0400
Subject: Ginger in HP
In-Reply-To: <ch1lq1+f48p@eGroups.com>
References: <cgtp7b+8dnf@eGroups.com>
 <ch1lq1+f48p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040831132829.02c2ac00@mail.toltbbs.com>


>Asian_lovr2:
>
>Slightly off the beam, but here are Harry and Ron products that have
>sprung up in the parallel universe that is my own perverse imagination.
>
>Harry Potter's Wizard's Brew - All Natural Suprisingly Strong Ginger
>Ale (or Ginger Beer in the UK)
>snipped
>Harry Potter's Premium Wizard's Brew - similar to the above but
>slightly less sweet and with much more ginger 'fire'.
snipped
>Harry Potter's Ginger Cream Ice Cream
snipped
>Harry Potter Ginger Cream Ice Cream Snack Bars
snipped the rest of Steve/asian_lovr2's great list.
Now Phil:
I wondered about all the items with Ginger,
So  I searched the HP books and found
>that Ginger is a main ingredient of the Wit-Sharpening Potion.
(GOF chapter 27)

Then there is the Ginger Newt that Professor McGonagall offered to Harry in 
her office.
(OOTP chapter 12)

Smiles,
Phil who is off to chop up some Ginger himself.




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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 17:44:03 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] D'oh!
In-Reply-To: <ch21eq+5dvj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040831174403.39781.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>

I think the $100,000 bar is now called the 100 Grand bar.  I was 5 the first time I ate a $100,000 bar.  Yummy.  Nestle' makes the very best.

		
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Aug 31 18:25:56 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:25:56 -0000
Subject: Sarah - Emma Chambers
In-Reply-To: <d9.1365ee7e.2e660231@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ch2frk+n88e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> 
> 
> You think Emma Chambers is too old to play Tonks?  What do you 
think of the 
> woman playing Moaning Murtle?  That's a 30-something playing a 16 
year old.  I 
> think Emma can pull it off as Tonks.  :)
> 
> "Luna"
>Yes, but she looks 16 - I don't watch her and think she's a lot 
older, its only when you see her in other stuff that you realise how 
old she is.  We will have to agree to disagree, I think Emma Chambers 
looks too old for Tonks (and I do apologise profusely to Emma if she 
is reading this)
Sarah xx




From garybec at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 18:35:46 2004
From: garybec at yahoo.com (garybec)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:35:46 -0000
Subject: Possible New Director for OoP
In-Reply-To: <ch2920+2h16@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ch2ge2+81vq@eGroups.com>



 Becki wonders, not that it really matters;
The quote at Mugglenet from the article-interview of Nair says;
 "I read it over the weekend. I'm still deciding... I'm not letting 
 all this go to my head. I'm grounded. I practise detachment, it 
 helps me keep my balance." ... "I'm a Dilliwalli, only an asana 
gets  me on my head! My son Zoharan's excited. I've seen all the 
Harry 
 Potter movies with him." 

 My question is, how could she be reading it. I thought Steve Kloves 
 was 'on the fence' about writing OotP.  Even if he has decided to 
do  it, he couldn't possibly finished it in a matter of weeks.  
Perhaps she is just reading the book?  

 Becki
 Asian_lovr2:

 I'm just venturing a guess, but maybe she meant she was reading 
Harry
Potter over the weekend, not specifically reading OotP. 
I find it unusual that they aren't going with mainstream Hollywood
 directors. On one hand it could just be daring movie making, on the
 other, it could just be an attempt to get indie directors who will
 work cheap.
 I seriously doubt that there is enough of a manuscript available for
 anyone but the publishers to evaluate. Although, I also expect that
 JKR is getting close. She is pregnant again, but say it won't 
interfer with the book. No matter how many nannies she can afford, a 
new baby
 in the house WILL interfer. That makes me suspect she intends to  
the book done before she delivers. It may not be on the store 
shelves,
but I suspect the bulk of it will be in the hands of the publisher. I
just can't see anyway that having a new baby won't slow things down.
Just a thought.
 Steve/asian_lovr (was bboy_mn)

Becki's back;
I agree with you Steve on the directors.  I do find it odd that they 
would even approach someone without a screenplay in hand.  Perhaps 
they are just approaching directors to see who may be available and 
interested.  I wonder if Mike Newell has already declined. I seem to 
remember hearing that Curan waited to declined GoF until almost of 
the end of shooting.  And now that I mentioned Curan, what about 
him?  Since he already has the repore with the cast, and he was so 
successful with PoA, why wouldn't he want to do it?  I am not so 
sure about having a woman director.  Would it add too much of 
a "soft touch" to a movie that should be anything else but?
(not to sound sexist, I am a girl after all...)

I guess as long as it does justice to  the Weasley Twins' "exit", 
and the hospital scene with Molly getting educated about 
what "stitches" are, I'm alright with whoever the director is.

And as far as the HBP goes, I hope your right.  I was disapointed to 
hear at Edinburgh that she was only halfway finished.  But if you 
think of it, organizing it would be the long, hard part.  Putting it 
all together by actually writing it, may be the easy, and hopefully 
fastest part.
Unfortunatly for us, with the release of the OotP in paperback, the 
publishers have enough to keep themselves satisfied  for awhile.  
Not even considering the mental states of all of us 
potterheadmaniacs who are grasping to every clue she gives us in 
hopes of yet another theory.

OK..Becki will stop rambling on now and go pick her garden...




From sydenmill at msn.com  Tue Aug 31 20:04:29 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:04:29 -0000
Subject: D'oh!
In-Reply-To: <20040831174403.39781.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ch2lkd+9il8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> I think the $100,000 bar is now called the 100 Grand bar.  I was 5 
the first time I ate a $100,000 bar.  Yummy.  Nestle' makes the very 
best.




Bohcoo adds (because it would drive me nuts not to):

choc--------late.

(I'll bet you can go, "da da de dada..." and leave it there, can't 
you? You're evil, I say, purely evil!)

Laughing right out loud,
Bohcoo 





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 22:45:49 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:45:49 -0000
Subject: LOONs and those who love them.
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEHIDDAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <ch2v2t+rusi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [Jen wrote]:
> | Ack!  Amy missed Barty Jr.'s mom being polyjuiced as Barty!  Sign
> | Lee | up for L.O.O.N. membership!!!
> |
> | -Jen, who is also a L.O.O.N., but read the post so fast that she
> | didn't remember Barty and his mom, either...
> 
> [Lee]:
> <Grin> Thankya!  Now I must display my ignorance...what is a
L.O.O.N.?  Of
> course, some think I am a bit loony, but that's my normal state. :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)

Asian_lovr2:

I'll jump in with the answer-

LOON  "League of Obsessed Nitpickers"	defined in message# 16078
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages/16078

All ACRONYMs found here-
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=28&sortBy=1&sortDir=down&start_at=143&query=

Just trying to help.

Steve/asian_lovr2