From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Feb  1 04:48:59 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:48:59 -0000
Subject: The word 'stove'
Message-ID: <bvi0fr+9h7g@eGroups.com>

My friend's friend said that people in Britain only say 'stove' when
they mean a woodstove, and for any other kind of stove (gas, electric,
propane, etc), they say 'cooker'. (Obviously that would be any other
kind of cookstove, not heatstove.) Is there any truth to this claim?




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb  1 09:01:33 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:01:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The word 'stove'
In-Reply-To: <bvi0fr+9h7g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040201090133.61665.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
My friend's friend said that people in Britain only say 'stove' when
they mean a woodstove, and for any other kind of stove (gas, electric,
propane, etc), they say 'cooker'. (Obviously that would be any other
kind of cookstove, not heatstove.) Is there any truth to this claim?

Rincewind here

My Mum bless her cotton socks is eighty-five and if you ask her she has a gas stove, (a free standing device with flame rings on the top and an oven under).

Her sister who a similar deviece has a gas cooker

You pays your money and you takes your choice

Hope this helps

Rincewind



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From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb  1 09:25:11 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:25:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP Films Do you know?
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Rincewind 

I have just read on TLC that the GOF Book will only be one film.

My question is do Warner Bros have a contract for seven HP films or do they have a contract to make Films of seven books?

Rincewind



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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Feb  1 11:44:36 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:44:36 -0000
Subject: Bloody annoyed
Message-ID: <bvior4+lcg3@eGroups.com>


I always try to respond to emails sent to me by members (good manners, if nothing 
else), but over the past month of 9 mail responses sent to Yahoo addresses *8* have 
been returned as not delivered. The latest is constancevigilance. Sorry Susan, I did try 
but it didn't work.

I have no problems with any other service provider.

Is anyone else having similar experiences?

Kneasy

 




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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Feb  1 14:21:52 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:21:52 -0000
Subject: expand your vocabulary
In-Reply-To: <bveb9g+gfi9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvj220+sl3b@eGroups.com>

> Tcy
> (looking forward to all of the contributions to this one)

And where are they, I ask? Only one so far? Come on folks!
I'm sure you can do better than me.


Shampagne:  Cheap Spanish sparkling wine
Abdome:    Middle-aged spread
Punktured:  Pierced with a safety pin
Barbequeue:  *Still* waiting for the chicken to cook through properly

~Eloise




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Feb  1 20:34:28 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:34:28 +1100
Subject: Chat
In-Reply-To: <bvj220+sl3b@eGroups.com>
References: <bveb9g+gfi9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <401DFD84.11801.C496B@localhost>

Has anybody else had problems with the Yahoochat today? I've been 
trying to log in for 90 minutes - the application loads, but I 
can't get out of the room it loads into - and it's constantly 
saying I'm still logging in


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Feb  1 20:57:52 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:57:52 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat
In-Reply-To: <002701c3e773$91ab8c20$5a371c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <401E0300.7614.21B589@localhost>

On 30 Jan 2004 at 12:56, Saitaina wrote:

> Shaun-
> 
> Try YahooMessanger, it's how I got in.
> YahooChat is mostly down, Cheeta Chat can't
> get in either.

Thanks, I'll try that.

Trouble is by the time I get yahoomessenger everything will 
probably be over - and I don't think I'm likely to have another 
chance to get to chat for months.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 21:56:42 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:56:42 -0000
Subject: Bloody annoyed ...at YahooMort
In-Reply-To: <bvior4+lcg3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvjsmq+84po@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt"
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:

< < < < < * > > > > > 
I always try to respond to emails sent to me by members (good manners,
if nothing else), but over the past month of 9 mail responses sent to
Yahoo addresses *8* have  been returned as not delivered. The latest
is constancevigilance. Sorry Susan, I did try but it didn't work.

I have no problems with any other service provider.

Is anyone else having similar experiences?
 
Kneasy
< < < < < < * > > > > >

bboy_mn:

Yahoo, my best guess, is the most massively used service on the
internet, and they have a network of servers spread around the world.
It's theoretically possible that our groups [Photos] folder is on a
server in France, our [Files] folder is on a server in Canada, and our
[Messages] are on some other server. Again, that's more of an
illustration than statement of absolute fact.

Consequently, due to the high volume and distributed nature, this
place we HP lovers affectionately call 'Yahoomort' is occassionally
subject to periods of instability and unreliability. Usually,
occurring when they are doing some type of system-wide upgrade or
other maintenance.

Lately, and given the severe lack of posts recently, I assume this
applies to everyone, Yahoo would not allow me to log-in to any of my
accounts. It simple refused to recongise my password. I tried this on
3 different Yahoo account with the same result.

In addition, Yahoo doesn't do much to investigate complaints. If
someone registers a complaint of any kind, no matter how mild, your
account is closed. I've lost several Yahoo usernames that way, one day
they were just gone; no notice, no explanation, no recourse. That
means email addresses can disappear in the blink of an eye never to be
seen again.

If a particular user has only the on-line version of Yahoo email,
rather than the downloadable POP email, then the storage is limited.
It's possible for high volume users to frequently overflow their
available storage space, which means all incoming email are rejected
until files are deleted and more storage space is available. That same
thing happen to my friends HotMail account, so it's not unique to
Yahoo. In that same vain, if a user does not have the advertising and
marketing preference turned OFF in their Yahoo account, a substantial
portion of the storage space can be eaten up by SPAM. It's odd that
Yahoo both floods your email box with SPAM ,and at the same time,
provides you with SPAM-Guard to block SPAM. 

As, I said above, Yahoo has recently been slightly unstable, so your
'bounced' emails may have been related to this short term problem at
Yahoo. 

Also, Yahoo has recently posted this Service Message at the top of the
Groups Homepage...

"Due to a recent outbreak of viruses on the internet, Groups is
experiencing message delays and will reject certain messages."

Just a few thoughts on the matter.

bboy_mn





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Feb  1 22:57:00 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:57:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: expand your vocabulary
In-Reply-To: <bvj220+sl3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3e916$b78b0700$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Ok... Here's my massive contribution to this topic.  Many of them were
inspired to me while browsing through the Lexicon site, so they are very
HP oriented.  (Sorry if some are a tad too obscure or silly...)

More may be forthcoming.  *grin*

Iggy McSnurd


"Expand Your Vocabulary"

Logicgal - A woman with a good head on her shoulders.

Tonework - Being assigned to change the toner in the Xerox machine.

Newish - When an old religion gets a new look.

Dredneck - A hick from Jamaica.




Tim Turner - Ted Turner and Jane Fonda's son.

Aghost - Being shocked by Sir Nicholas's head almost falling off.

Hippygriff - A fantastic beast that's, like, really mellow and into all
natural kinds of foods and free love, man.

Basilick - A snake-like monster that smells of herbs and endowed with an
exceptionally long tongue for its body size.

Bullywig - An annoying insect that feeds on dead skin and resembles a
hairpiece for easier access to food.  It's often found on the balding
heads of the creature known as the great, bullying git.

Boomslag - The puddle of matter that's left after a Melting Mixture
explodes in your face.

Chimpera - The "Time of the Apes", just before the first humans evolved.

Gname - What Gnomes call each other, like Gned, Gnick, Gnancy, and
Gnora.

Cappa - What you're doin' in the South when you fetch your Pa his
favorite hat.

Sniffler - A mole-like creature that can swim through the air.  It's
exceptionally tiny size allows it to burrow into noses where it seeks
its favorite food, bogies.  It can often be detected by the sniffling
noise its hosts make when they breathe through their nose.
(Interestingly, it's the only real defense against the Bat Bogey Hex.)

Sphynx - A relative of the Sphinx and, in itself, is an enigma.  Once it
latches onto its prey, it will not let go, no matter what.  Even when
you think you have banished this creature, it turns invisible and
latches back on.  The only way to truly rid yourself of this creature is
to totally ignore its piercing screams.

Vumpire - A cursed sports official that drinks blood and can only
officiate at night games.

Wherewolf - A lycanthrope that has the amazing ability to tell you the
exact location of anything in the world.

Yenti - A large nosed creature that's always female (or so sightings
suggest).  It's reputed to often disguise itself as a male Jew and has a
talented singing voice.  Sightings are fleeting and usually occur near
Rabbi schools.






From full_pensieve at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 19:24:39 2004
From: full_pensieve at yahoo.com (full_pensieve)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:24:39 -0000
Subject: HP Films Do you know?
In-Reply-To: <20040201092511.58680.qmail@web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bvjjpn+9l4h@eGroups.com>

It is standard practice to option books for adaptation to film.  
Surely WB has optioned the five extant and two prospective books; it 
would then be up to them whether seven films or more would be 
required.  Splitting any of the books would pose marketing nightmares 
for WB, I would think; they'd probably have to go the Matrix route - 
shoot all at once, and release a few months apart.

Full Pensieve

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon 
<udderpd at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Rincewind 
> 
> I have just read on TLC that the GOF Book will only be one film.
> 
> My question is do Warner Bros have a contract for seven HP films or 
do they have a contract to make Films of seven books?
> 
> Rincewind





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 01:40:35 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:40:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Allen!
Message-ID: <20040202014035.58127.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>

*dashes in, streamers and balloons trailing, dragging
a very large, overloaded food cart*

Okay everyone, drag yourselves away from the TV. Yes,
I know it's the Super Bowl, but we have a birthday to
celebrate!

Today's birthday honouree is Allen V. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to:
bandguyhp at yahoo.com

I hope your day is magical and brings everything you
wished for.

Happy Birthday, Allen!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, returning you all to your
regularly scheduled programming

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Feb  2 01:46:17 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:46:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: expand your vocabulary
In-Reply-To: <000001c3e916$b78b0700$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000101c3e92e$5c77ac20$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I feel that I need to step in on myself here for a second and clarify
something about this word and definition I contributed:

> 
> Sphynx - A relative of the Sphinx and, in itself, is an enigma.  Once
it
> latches onto its prey, it will not let go, no matter what.  Even when
> you think you have banished this creature, it turns invisible and
> latches back on.  The only way to truly rid yourself of this creature
is
> to totally ignore its piercing screams.
> 


This was in no way intended to be interpreted as mean or malicious.  (In
fact, it was a joke relating to something else, and slipped through the
cracks.  It was intended to be edited out once I realized that it
actually also referred to something that related directly to this family
of groups.  The original reference was actually relating to an older RPG
I used to play that might have been played by others... It was a critter
from Fantasy Heroes RPG... although it may have been a creation of our
GM as well... I couldn't remember.  The description I gave was actually
what happened to us in the game.)

I offer my apologies to anyone who may have been offended.  (Those who
know of whom I speak will hopefully accept this humble and sincere
offering and statement of my regret.)  As I said, it was intended to be
deleted out, but was missed.  I shall strive to pay more attention to
posts of that nature in the future.


Iggy McSnurd







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Feb  2 14:48:33 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:48:33 -0000
Subject: expand your vocabulary
In-Reply-To: <bve9tb+kt22@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvlo01+54ci@eGroups.com>

Tracy Hunt wrote:

> A friend sent this to me today...and I had to share it with you 
all.  

>From a couple of typos I saw the other day:

Capitolize: to facilitate the sale of barrelled pork
Disconsulate: the result of appealing for help from your country 
when abroad

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Feb  2 15:25:42 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:25:42 -0000
Subject: British weather
Message-ID: <bvlq5m+uv2m@eGroups.com>

On the main list, Geoff Bannister wrote:

> I really cannot subscribe to Mandy's suggestion that our weather 
> stinks. I walk my dogs 4-5 miles a day and very rarely do I get 
> really wet. Even yesterday, with the gales battering our house (we 
> face west up the Bistol Channel) I was still able to get out and 
> dodge the showers and stay dry; where we live, we can usually 
> forecast the weather for the next couple of hours just by watching 
> the sky and the wind.

There is something about this paean to our weather that leaves me 
feeling that people aren't going to be falling over one another to 
visit our shores.

Perhaps the English Tourist Board could adopt the slogan: "Come to 
England, where the weather is only moderately uncomfortable".

Once, one of our cats wanted to go outside but, when we opened the 
back door he was disconcerted to see it was raining, and promptly 
went to the front door to see if conditions were any better there.  
He was disappointed on that occasion, but I feel he had the right 
idea.

David, who thinks *anyone* can forecast the weather for a couple of 
hours - it's getting it right that's the hard part




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  2 15:57:13 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:57:13 -0000
Subject: British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvlq5m+uv2m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvls0p+rrm7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> On the main list, Geoff Bannister wrote:
> 
> > I really cannot subscribe to Mandy's suggestion that our weather 
> > stinks. I walk my dogs 4-5 miles a day and very rarely do I get 
> > really wet. Even yesterday, with the gales battering our house 
(we 
> > face west up the Bistol Channel) I was still able to get out and 
> > dodge the showers and stay dry; where we live, we can usually 
> > forecast the weather for the next couple of hours just by 
watching 
> > the sky and the wind.

Dave:
> 
> There is something about this paean to our weather that leaves me 
> feeling that people aren't going to be falling over one another to 
> visit our shores.

Lol! Unless you live in a climate where for the better part of June-
August (September?), every day is exactly the same: "Sunny, high in 
the upper 90's, low in the upper 70's, no rain expected."  THEN, 
Geoff's paean to UK weather sounds marvelous! 

Jen, already dreading the Texas summer.




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb  3 00:04:12 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:04:12 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British weather
References: <bvlq5m+uv2m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008401c3e9e9$4bdd4530$bcde6251@kathryn>


David
>
> Perhaps the English Tourist Board could adopt the slogan: "Come to
> England, where the weather is only moderately uncomfortable".
>
> Once, one of our cats wanted to go outside but, when we opened the
> back door he was disconcerted to see it was raining, and promptly
> went to the front door to see if conditions were any better there.
> He was disappointed on that occasion, but I feel he had the right
> idea.

K

I agree with your cat on this one definitely. Let's take *part* of the last
week as an example.
(I live in Luton btw and am obviously giving the weather for where I live)

Wednesday - Overcast but not too bad for most of the day. 4pm starts to snow
heavily (well heavily for Southern England) leaving a few inches of snow on
the ground. Clouds then all vanish and the night is clear and cold.
Thursday - continues clear and cold, thus freezing the snow on all uncleared
roads and pavements (which would be most of them) and turning the place into
one large ice rink. Drizzles all evening and night (clearing most of the
snow)
Friday - overcast, dull and eventually rainy.
Saturday - rains a little, gale force winds to the extent that there is now
(or was Saturday evening and all of Sunday, haven't checked today) a tree
blocking half my road.


So in the space of 4 days we have cloudy weather, heavy snow, sun, rain, and
very strong winds. I think all we needed was hail and we'd have had a
complete set. (*knocking on wood because that looked awfully like tempting
fate*)

K





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb  3 00:07:31 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:07:31 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British weather
References: <bvls0p+rrm7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c3e9e9$bf7da480$bcde6251@kathryn>


Jen
> Lol! Unless you live in a climate where for the better part of June-
> August (September?), every day is exactly the same: "Sunny, high in
> the upper 90's, low in the upper 70's, no rain expected."  THEN,
> Geoff's paean to UK weather sounds marvelous!
>

K

Whereas the southern UK will have clear skies and temperatures in the 80s,
interspersed with sudden and totally unpredictable rain, some days when it's
too cold to even think of leaving your coat at home and despite the rain
there'll still be a drought and hosepipe and sprinkler bans.

Of course the drought and water shortage in the summer will in no way
prevent the floods that are almost inevitable in February, March and April
( I saw the first severe flood warnings on the weather forecast yesterday
evening)

K





From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Mon Feb  2 18:12:22 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:12:22 -0000
Subject: American weather...was: Re: British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvlq5m+uv2m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvm3u6+5ehf@eGroups.com>

davewitley wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the English Tourist Board could adopt the slogan: "Come to 
> England, where the weather is only moderately uncomfortable".
> 
> Once, one of our cats wanted to go outside but, when we opened the 
> back door he was disconcerted to see it was raining, and promptly 
> went to the front door to see if conditions were any better there.  
> He was disappointed on that occasion, but I feel he had the right 
> idea.
> 
> David, who thinks *anyone* can forecast the weather for a couple of 
> hours - it's getting it right that's the hard part


now Tcy:

As one who has lived in many parts of this country...I can say with 
some degree of confidence that the Brits don't hold a lone title for 
strange weather.  

I personally have lived in the Bay area of California where they have 
2 seasons:  Green and Brown - and they're in the wrong order; 

Rural, central Colorado where winter is from September thru May, 
summer is from June thru August and if you're lucky you see a weekend 
of Spring and Fall somewhere in there (we locals like to call the 2 
main seasons here Winter and Road Construction); 

Central Florida where we have 2 seasons:  Hot & Wet and Hotter & 
Wetter; 

and several areas of the Mid-Atlantic region (Maryland, Delaware, 
Pennsylvania, Virginia and North Carolina) where we usually have 4 
fairly equal-length seasons (Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall) - but 
temperatures and conditions vary greatly from hour to hour depending 
on the mood of the particular weather god directly over your head.

So, while the weather on your side of the pond may be impressive...I 
like to think of ours as having quite a sense of humor!

Tcy
(who really appreciates Mother Nature's sense of humor:  vicious with 
healthy doses of irony and sarcasm)




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb  2 18:42:29 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:29 -0000
Subject: Tales from Child Support Agency
Message-ID: <bvm5ml+fb8j@eGroups.com>

The Child Support Agency in the UK is the government agency 
responsible for getting absent parents to pay for the upkeep of 
their children.

The following are all replies that British women have put on Child 
Support Agency forms in the section for listing father's details: 
These are genuine excerpts from the forms:
 

01. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, child A was 
fathered by Jim Munson. I am unsure as to the identity of the father 
of child B, but I believe that he was conceived on the same night. 

02. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my child as I 
was being sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. 
I can provide you with a list of names of men that I think were at 
the party if this helps. 
 
03. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was 
conceived at a party at 3600 Grand Avenue where I had unprotected 
sex with a man I met that night. I do remember that the sex was so 
good that I fainted. If you do manage to track down the father can 
you send me his phone number? Thanks. 

04. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter. He 
drives a BMW that now has a hole made by my stiletto in one of the 
door panels. Perhaps you can contact BMW service stations in this 
area and see if he's had it replaced. 

05. I have never had sex with a man. I am awaiting a letter from the 
Pope confirming that my son's conception was immaculate and that he 
is Christ risen again. 
 
06. I cannot tell you the name of child A's dad as he informs me 
that to do so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic 
implications for the British economy. I am torn between doing right 
by you and right by the country. Please advise. 

07. I do not know who the father of my child was as all squaddies 
look the same to me. I can confirm that he was a Royal Green Jacket. 
 
08. Peter Smith is the father of child A. If you do catch up with 
him can you ask him what he did with my AC/DC CDs? 
 
09. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Euro 
Disney. Maybe it really is the Magic Kingdom. 
 
10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I 
remember for sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier in 
the evening. If I'd have stayed in and watched more TV rather than 
going to the party at 146 Miller Drive, mine might have remained 
unfertilised. 
 
11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after 
all when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you 
fart.   

Tasteless, but amusing.

June




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Mon Feb  2 18:35:21 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:35:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] American weather...was: Re: British weather
Message-ID: <20040202183521.TKNB17235.out011.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

So, while the weather on your side of the pond may be impressive...I 
like to think of ours as having quite a sense of humor!

Tcy
(who really appreciates Mother Nature's sense of humor:  vicious with 
healthy doses of irony and sarcasm)


You forgot S. Arizona and Texas Weather:

Arizona Weather: Hot, Hot and more Hot. Dry. Oh, except for the three months when Monsoon threatens and then never comes (But drives the humidity index to 200% in 115 degree heat). And then Winter...30-45 at night, sometimes 'snows' (if you can call a light dustiung of white stuff snow...)...and then it's 80 degrees by 11 am, and the only snow is on top of the mountain caps, 15,000 feet above your own ground level....

Texas:
Anything and everything at any time, and without warning.
Don't like it? Check outside in 10 minutes, it's probably changed...;)


Anne


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From pfsch at gmx.de  Mon Feb  2 13:42:05 2004
From: pfsch at gmx.de (Peter Felix Schuster)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:42:05 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
Message-ID: <bvlk3d+emm1@eGroups.com>

Hi there!

Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? What 
and whom could they be about? My guess: a clumsy owl has to deliver 
letters to famous wizards and witches - and fails everytime of course.

Bye Peter





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Mon Feb  2 19:42:36 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:42:36 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
In-Reply-To: <bvlk3d+emm1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvm97c+sd16@eGroups.com>

<pfsch at g...> wrote:
A very popular strip would be called, simply "Muggles," and it would 
be their version of "The Far Side."
Ms. Tattersall

> Hi there!
> 
> Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? What 
> and whom could they be about? My guess: a clumsy owl has to deliver 
> letters to famous wizards and witches - and fails everytime of 
course.
> 
> Bye Peter




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Mon Feb  2 19:59:05 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:59:05 -0000
Subject: American weather...was: Re: British weather
In-Reply-To: <20040202183521.TKNB17235.out011.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <bvma69+rkat@eGroups.com>

Silverthorne wrote:

> You forgot S. Arizona and Texas Weather:
> 
> Arizona Weather: Hot, Hot and more Hot. Dry. Oh, except for the 
three months when Monsoon threatens and then never comes (But drives 
the humidity index to 200% in 115 degree heat). And then Winter...30-
45 at night, sometimes 'snows' (if you can call a light dustiung of 
white stuff snow...)...and then it's 80 degrees by 11 am, and the 
only snow is on top of the mountain caps, 15,000 feet above your own 
ground level....
> 
> Texas:
> Anything and everything at any time, and without warning.
> Don't like it? Check outside in 10 minutes, it's probably 
changed...;)
> 
> 
> Anne


now Tcy:

No, Anne, I didn't forget...I've just never *lived* there!  I've 
heard impressive tales from a few friends I have in Texas.  I'm so 
sorry for you ;-)  I also know (from friends and relatives) that 
Washington, Minnesota, Utah, Kentucky and New Hampshire have some fun 
weather, too.

Tcy
(who's moved way too much - and who must be part gypsy)




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Mon Feb  2 20:08:43 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:08:43 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
In-Reply-To: <bvlk3d+emm1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvmaob+ioh8@eGroups.com>

"Peter Felix Schuster" wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? What 
> and whom could they be about? My guess: a clumsy owl has to deliver 
> letters to famous wizards and witches - and fails everytime of 
course.
> 
> Bye Peter

now Tcy;

They have to have them!  We learned about Martin Miggs (a character 
in "Mad Muggle" comics) during PS/SS.

And I like mstattersall's idea of a wizarding version of the Far 
Side.  Maybe some of the more artistic of us could come up with 
some?  (this excludes me - as my 6 year old won't even let me help 
her draw for her Kindergarten class).

Tcy




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Mon Feb  2 20:12:48 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:12:48 -0000
Subject: Tales from Child Support Agency
In-Reply-To: <bvm5ml+fb8j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvmb00+luf6@eGroups.com>

junediamanti wrote:
> The Child Support Agency in the UK is the government agency 
> responsible for getting absent parents to pay for the upkeep of 
> their children.
> 
> The following are all replies that British women have put on Child 
> Support Agency forms in the section for listing father's details: 
> These are genuine excerpts from the forms:
>  
> 
> 01. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, child A was 
> fathered by Jim Munson. I am unsure as to the identity of the 
father 
> of child B, but I believe that he was conceived on the same night. 
> 
> 02. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my child as I 
> was being sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. 
> I can provide you with a list of names of men that I think were at 
> the party if this helps. 
>  
> 03. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was 
> conceived at a party at 3600 Grand Avenue where I had unprotected 
> sex with a man I met that night. I do remember that the sex was so 
> good that I fainted. If you do manage to track down the father can 
> you send me his phone number? Thanks. 
> 
> 04. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter. He 
> drives a BMW that now has a hole made by my stiletto in one of the 
> door panels. Perhaps you can contact BMW service stations in this 
> area and see if he's had it replaced. 
> 
> 05. I have never had sex with a man. I am awaiting a letter from 
the 
> Pope confirming that my son's conception was immaculate and that he 
> is Christ risen again. 
>  
> 06. I cannot tell you the name of child A's dad as he informs me 
> that to do so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic 
> implications for the British economy. I am torn between doing right 
> by you and right by the country. Please advise. 
> 
> 07. I do not know who the father of my child was as all squaddies 
> look the same to me. I can confirm that he was a Royal Green 
Jacket. 
>  
> 08. Peter Smith is the father of child A. If you do catch up with 
> him can you ask him what he did with my AC/DC CDs? 
>  
> 09. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Euro 
> Disney. Maybe it really is the Magic Kingdom. 
>  
> 10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I 
> remember for sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier 
in 
> the evening. If I'd have stayed in and watched more TV rather than 
> going to the party at 146 Miller Drive, mine might have remained 
> unfertilised. 
>  
> 11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after 
> all when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made 
you 
> fart.   
> 
> Tasteless, but amusing.
> 
> June

now Tcy:

BWwwwaaaaaaaaaahaahahhaaaahhaaaa!  That is soooooo bad!  I love it!  
I just love the shallow end of the gene pool!  Helps me remember that 
I have NOTHING to complain about (nor do my kids, for that matter).

Tcy
(who expects to see some of those mothers written up on the Darwin 
Awards website in the future)




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb  2 20:23:27 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:23:27 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
In-Reply-To: <bvmaob+ioh8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvmbjv+l2pu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> 
wrote:
> "Peter Felix Schuster" wrote:
> > Hi there!
> > 
> > Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? 
What 
> >> 
> now Tcy;
> 
> They have to have them!  We learned about Martin Miggs (a 
character 
> in "Mad Muggle" comics) during PS/SS.
> 
> And I like mstattersall's idea of a wizarding version of the Far 
> Side.  Maybe some of the more artistic of us could come up with 
> some?  (this excludes me - as my 6 year old won't even let me help 
> her draw for her Kindergarten class).

I second this - so come on all you talented fan artists out there!  
Go for it!

I love the Far Side.  

June





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 20:54:59 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:54:59 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
In-Reply-To: <bvmaob+ioh8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvmdf3+88ur@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> wrote:
> "Peter Felix Schuster" wrote:
> > Hi there!
> > 
> > Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? 

> 
> now Tcy;
> 
> They have to have them!  We learned about Martin Miggs (a character 
> in "Mad Muggle" comics) during PS/SS.
> 
> And I like mstattersall's idea of a wizarding version of the Far 
> Side.  Maybe some of the more artistic of us could come up with 
> some?  (this excludes me - as my 6 year old won't even let me help 
> her draw for her Kindergarten class).
> 
> Tcy

Annemehr:
I can draw, but I'm sporadic at best thinking up jokes.  Want to
collaborate?

Annemehr
expecting to see a "Comics" folder in the Photos section very soon!





From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Mon Feb  2 20:22:48 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:22:48 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] American weather...was: Re: British weather
Message-ID: <20040202202248.VASI17235.out011.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>


now Tcy:

No, Anne, I didn't forget...I've just never *lived* there!

{Anne}
Oops--My bad in not posting that the right way...Sowwy..(Forgive me?) ^^;

{TCY}

I've heard impressive tales from a few riends I have in Texas.  I'm so sorry for you ;-) 

{Anne}

Heh...thanks...I moved to Texas from AZ, and have to admit I must have been certifiable at the time for doing so...*winks*. Of course, one of my own Texas weather stories happened last year when I went outside to see the clouds directly over my trailer--er, 'manufactured home'--trying to turn into a tornado. I spent the next ten minutes staring straight up at the swirling clouds saying things like "Please don't drop here" and "Oh, man, can you do this someplace else?!" 

Fortunately, the tornado gods must have heard me, because the swirly part moved on and cleared up shortly after...but still...that was a seriously scary half hour for me...and yes, the sky does turn pea green *joy*

{TCY}

 I also know (from friends and relatives) that 
Washington, Minnesota, Utah, Kentucky and New Hampshire have some fun 
weather, too.

{Anne}

Hehe...one of my childhood memories was being at Grandma's house in Lawrenceville, NJ during a hurricane....there was five foot of water on the roads...


Tcy
(who's moved way too much - and who must be part gypsy)


{Anne}

^^ Nothing wrong with that :D

Anne



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From EQMJ at aol.com  Mon Feb  2 20:22:18 2004
From: EQMJ at aol.com (EQMJ at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:22:18 EST
Subject: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
Message-ID: <29.50380825.2d500b7a@aol.com>

   Chiming in from Minnesota, we're in the middle of a snow storm that has 
deposited about two feet of the fluffy white stuff in the last week.  I studied 
abroad in Glasgow for six months during my undergraduate degree and I was torn 
the entire time between loving the mild temperatures and feeling a little 
weirded out and deprived of "real winter" by the perpetual greenery around me and 
total lack of below 0F temps.  The weather report didn't even give the 
wind-chill - I was entirely out of my element.
   In a perhaps misguided effort to return this to HP, at the risk of 
bringing up a topic that's been done to death, am I correct in assuming that Hogwarts 
would be in Scotland?  I'm largely basing this assumption on movie evidence - 
the train in their second year is clearly going over the Glenfinnan Aqueduct 
headed north and there seems to be a considerable amount of snow in the 
preview for the third film.  While I was in Glasgow it snowed only once and that 
consisted of a light sprinkle that was gone by the afternoon.  I was in a more 
serious snowstorm while visiting Edinburgh, but again that snow was gone in a 
day.  It wasn't until I traveled much further north that I saw the kind of 
long-term accumulation that I'm more familiar with.  What kind of geographical 
evidence was given in the books?

Equanimity
EQMJ at aol.com

In a message dated 2/2/2004 2:00:32 PM Central Standard Time, 
mphunt at sprintmail.com writes:
I also know (from friends and relatives) that 
Washington, Minnesota, Utah, Kentucky and New Hampshire have some fun 
weather, too.


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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 21:30:01 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:30:01 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
In-Reply-To: <29.50380825.2d500b7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bvmfgp+8brn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, EQMJ at a... wrote:

>    In a perhaps misguided effort to return this to HP, at the risk of 
> bringing up a topic that's been done to death, am I correct in
assuming that Hogwarts 
> would be in Scotland? <snip>  What kind of geographical 
> evidence was given in the books?
> 
> Equanimity
> EQMJ at a...

Mostly, just the length of the journey North on the Hogwarts Express,
which leaves King's Cross at 11:00 a.m. and arrives at Hogsmeade
Station in time for the students to ride to Hogwarts and have dinner
(supper).

I am told it's four hours from London to Edinburgh by Muggle train;
further North into the more rugged Highlands would be somewhat longer.
 Also, by the time they're near Hogsmeade, the countryside has turned
very wild-looking.

I *believe* JKR may have confirmed the Scotland location in an
interview somewhere, but expect it may take some searching.

Hope that helps!

Annemehr





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 21:42:17 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:42:17 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvmfgp+8brn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvmg7p+107o2@eGroups.com>

By the way, Steve bboy_mn has done a lot of research to locate
possible Hogwarts sites.  I searced for "Maps" on OTC for a link to
one of his messages where he explains what he's found:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/13871

That message also includes a link to some maps he has where he's
marked some likely locations for Hogwarts.

Wish he's do one for Wiltshire and the Malfoy estate...<hint, hint>

Annemehr





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Feb  2 21:45:12 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:45:12 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvmfgp+8brn@eGroups.com>
References: <29.50380825.2d500b7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <401F5F98.16389.2BB7FE@localhost>

On 2 Feb 2004 at 21:30, annemehr wrote:

> Mostly, just the length of the journey North on the Hogwarts Express,
> which leaves King's Cross at 11:00 a.m. and arrives at Hogsmeade
> Station in time for the students to ride to Hogwarts and have dinner
> (supper).
> 
> I am told it's four hours from London to Edinburgh by Muggle train;
> further North into the more rugged Highlands would be somewhat longer.
>  Also, by the time they're near Hogsmeade, the countryside has turned
> very wild-looking.
> 
> I *believe* JKR may have confirmed the Scotland location in an
> interview somewhere, but expect it may take some searching.
> 
> Hope that helps!

It's confirmed (to my satisfaction at least) in 'Fantasic Beasts 
and Where to Find Them' one of the two small books JKR wrote for 
Comic Relief.

It's meant to be Harry's textbook - and it's full of grafitti added 
by Harry, Hermione, and Ron (not often by Hermione).

The first entry - Acromantula - is about a monstrous eight-eyed 
spider capable of human speech.

The entry ends by saying:

"Rumours that a colony of Acromantula has been established in 
Scotland are unconfirmed."

'unconfirmed' has been crossed out and the following has been added 
in Harry's handwriting - 'confirmed by Harry Potter and Ron 
Weasley'


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Feb  2 22:01:22 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:01:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Malfoy Manor was, Hogwarts Location was American weather
In-Reply-To: <bvmg7p+107o2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040202220122.74842.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>




That message also includes a link to some maps he has where he's
marked some likely locations for Hogwarts.

Wish he's do one for Wiltshire and the Malfoy estate...<hint, hint>

Annemehr

Rincewind here

Locating Malfoy Manor would be extreemly difficult due to the lack of Cannon clues

Wiltshire is quite a large area and includes Salsbury - Salsbury Plain - Stonehenge - Avebury Henge - Silbury Hill - Bowood House

But the lack of Cannon clues is the sticking point

Rincewind




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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 22:40:31 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:40:31 -0000
Subject: The Letterbox Project
Message-ID: <bvmjkv+ppkc@eGroups.com>

The Letterbox Project has gotten a response from JKR!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/the_letter_box/

The letter was sent to Liane who was the one who inquired at 
Bloomsbury as to the whereabouts of the box. Ali is going to 
hopefully get a scan of the letter up for us. The letter was 
transcribed as follows:

Dear International Association of Potter Fans,

What can I say? Rarely do I receive such letters, and never before 
in one beautifully packaged collection..

I apologize most sincerely for the long wait for a response. You 
congratulated me on his birth - and no, he's not a Squib - but David 
is indeed the main reason that i am horrendously behind on my 
correspondence.  Well - David and book 6 which (before the press 
start up again with the writer's block stories) is flowing like a 
mountain stream.

With many many thanks for sending me such a treat I am
 
Yours most sincerely
 
(signed) JKRowling
 
(Jo)

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/******





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 22:50:34 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:50:34 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvmg7p+107o2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvmk7q+at2c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> By the way, Steve bboy_mn has done a lot of research to locate
> possible Hogwarts sites.  I searced for "Maps" on OTC for a link to
> one of his messages where he explains what he's found:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/13871
> 
> That message also includes a link to some maps he has where he's
> marked some likely locations for Hogwarts.
> 
> Wish he's do one for Wiltshire and the Malfoy estate...<hint, hint>
> 
> Annemehr


HI Annemehr,

Udder Pendragon is right, beyond showing you where Whiltshire (a
county) is on a map of England (It's in the west. East of Sommerset
which is east of Devon, North of Dorset, West of Hampshire, Southwest
of Oxfordshire, and south of Gloucestershire. It's major city is
Swindon near it's northern boarder, and in the south, a significant
city is Salisbury. If you draw a straight line from the City of
Bristol to the Isle of Wright, it will pass through the middle of
Whiltshire.), I can't do much more. I have researched Whiltshire a
bit, but from my distant location, I can't get much of a sense of
where the Malfoy Estate might be. 

There are a few nice castles in Whiltshire but it's most significat
claim to fame is Stonehenge and also, Woodhenge, as well as many other
 ancient Neolithic sites. So, this is a very ancient and magical area
of England, which might explain why an old family like the Malfoys
live there.

I have a scan of a map I could send you, and I could create a 3D
satellite map like my other maps but there aren't many outstanding
geographic features in the area, so it would mostly be just green.

I have considered making England and Scotland maps showing the
locations of assume places and characters, so people could see at a
glance where things are. There are a few charaters who's location is
mentioned. Obviously, Malfoy in Whiltshire, but McGonagal implies that
Dedalus Diggle lives in Kent which is in the far south east corner of
England. There are a couple other character location mention as well,
but I can't think of them at the moment. And wasn't it implied that
Madame Marsh lived near Abergravenny, Wales?

As a side note, for another discussion, I created a map showing the
area of London within a one mile radius (walking distance) of King's
Cross Station to get an idea where Grimauld Place might be.
Unfortunately, at the moment, I can't remember where that map is. I
mean, I have a copy of it, but I'm not sure where I posted it on the
net; in a group or on a website. The map is has a very large file size
so access was somewhat limited to people with a high bandwidth
connection or a lot of time to spare.

Oops, I found it and a map to Surrey.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/19221

The 'tinyurl.com' links don't seem to be working now, but the long
versions will.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 00:02:38 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:02:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] American weather...was: Re: British weather
In-Reply-To: <20040202183521.TKNB17235.out011.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040203000238.50090.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- Silverthorne <silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net>
wrote: > So, while the weather on your side of the
pond may
> be impressive...I 
> like to think of ours as having quite a sense of
> humor!
> 
> Tcy
> (who really appreciates Mother Nature's sense of
> humor:  vicious with 
> healthy doses of irony and sarcasm)
> 
> 
> You forgot S. Arizona and Texas Weather:
> 
> Arizona Weather: Hot, Hot and more Hot. Dry. Oh,
> except for the three months when Monsoon threatens
> and then never comes (But drives the humidity index
> to 200% in 115 degree heat). And then Winter...30-45
> at night, sometimes 'snows' (if you can call a light
> dustiung of white stuff snow...)...and then it's 80
> degrees by 11 am, and the only snow is on top of the
> mountain caps, 15,000 feet above your own ground
> level....
> 
> Texas:
> Anything and everything at any time, and without
> warning.
> Don't like it? Check outside in 10 minutes, it's
> probably changed...;)
> 
Weather here in Ottawa is a little more predictable.
We have 4 seasons: almost winter, winter, still winter
and construction. 

This January was unseasonably cold, with temperatures
mostly between -20 and -40 Celsius instead of the
usual -10 to -15. Not sure if that is better or worse
than the year we had the unusually warm weathe and had
an ice storm instead. 

Summer can actually be quite warm here, with the
Humidex rating occasionally taking it up to near 40
Celsius. Fortunately, it doesn't happen too often but
40 can seem way too hot when you've had -40 at the
opposite end of the scale. 

Sheryll, thanking Mother Nature for the warmer weather
but fearing it means lots of snow is on the way

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From elrond at paradise.net.nz  Tue Feb  3 03:34:46 2004
From: elrond at paradise.net.nz (Michael Chance)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:34:46 +1300
Subject: "Master and the Wolf" update
Message-ID: <005c01c3ea06$b314e420$d7444fcb@locxvcym>

I've just finished doing what will be the last, bar one, update of the
Snape/Lupin Fest page at http://chance.slashcity.net/masterandthewolf/ for
the first wave. (There is currently one writer - Fluffy Lama - who qualifies
for an extension and the unbetaed version of her story is in the master &
the wolf mailing list archives).

Michael
--
"The Dancing Skeleton" - http://chance.slashcity.net/hope/
- my personal page based on the quote "If you can't get rid of the skeleton
in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." - George Bernard Shaw




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 04:01:04 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:01:04 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
Message-ID: <bvn6e0+9rmj@eGroups.com>


For those in the US, have you seen the new Quizno's Subs commercial? 
I just have one question: What Is *WRONG* With The People Who Thought 
This Up?????!!!

I was watching TV with my family, and this thing came on, basically 
it's these two little animal puppets who look DEAD, and who sing in 
horrible high-pitched voices so garbled that they have a little 
translation speach bubble. I'm assuming because their voiceboxes have 
decayed, being dead and all? Like watching roadkill is really gonna 
make me want to eat there.   You can see it here:

http://qpon.quiznos.com/


Watch it and tell me if I'm crazy to think this is the most awful 
commercial ever.  Okay... I admit, it's funny also, but only because 
it is soooo bad.  Seriously, I don't think I'll ever eat at Quizno's 
if there are pictures of these *things* there.

Erin







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Feb  3 04:04:17 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:04:17 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
In-Reply-To: <bvlk3d+emm1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvn6k1+5rd3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Peter Felix Schuster" 
<pfsch at g...> wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? 

There are at least two crossover Muggle/Wizard strips - Russell 
Myers' Broomhilda, about a tempermental middle-aged witch, a 
sensitive and loving troll and an effete vulture

And Parker & Hart's Wizard of Id - ("The King is a Fink")

  - CMC




From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 05:17:16 2004
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:17:16 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvn6e0+9rmj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvnass+43qo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:
> 
> For those in the US, have you seen the new Quizno's Subs 
> commercial? I just have one question: What Is *WRONG* With The 
> People Who Thought This Up?????!!!

People who work at ad agencies (I dealt with the New York version for 
a couple of years) can be verra, verra strange. Part of it's all the 
drugs, and part of it's just inherent in the industry. (Just my 
opinion.)

> I was watching TV with my family, and this thing came on, basically 
> it's these two little animal puppets who look DEAD, and who sing in 
> horrible high-pitched voices so garbled that they have a little 
> translation speach bubble. I'm assuming because their voiceboxes 
> have decayed, being dead and all? Like watching roadkill is really 
> gonna make me want to eat there.   You can see it here:
> 
> http://qpon.quiznos.com/

Gawd, that's awful. Dr. Frankenstein's mutated chipmunks. I figure 
maybe it's a take-off on something certain "cool" (or just plain 
sick) people are into. (Could it be South Park?) That, or they're 
desperate for ANY attention WHATSOEVER.

> Watch it and tell me if I'm crazy to think this is the most awful 
> commercial ever.  Okay... I admit, it's funny also, but only 
> because it is soooo bad.  Seriously, I don't think I'll ever eat at 
> Quizno's if there are pictures of these *things* there.

I'd give it a raw brass stinker award. (I ate at a Quiznos once; it 
wasn't bad, but I like Subway, and there are many more of them in the 
areas where I hang out.)

Sandy




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 07:22:50 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:22:50 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
In-Reply-To: <bvlk3d+emm1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvni8a+q88k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Peter Felix Schuster" 
<pfsch at g...> wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? What 
> and whom could they be about? My guess: a clumsy owl has to deliver 
> letters to famous wizards and witches - and fails everytime of 
course.


Super Harry?

Naama




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Feb  3 09:36:43 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:36:43 -0000
Subject: Tales from Child Support Agency
In-Reply-To: <bvmb00+luf6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvnq3b+gu63@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> 
wrote:

> BWwwwaaaaaaaaaahaahahhaaaahhaaaa!  That is soooooo bad!  I love 
it!  
> I just love the shallow end of the gene pool!  Helps me remember 
that 
> I have NOTHING to complain about (nor do my kids, for that matter).
> 
> Tcy
> (who expects to see some of those mothers written up on the Darwin 
> Awards website in the future)

Darwin Awards?  You get those by behaving in a way that's guaranteed 
to end your genetic line.  *These* women (and their missing 
partners) are, in evolutionary terms, highly successful.  *They* are 
the future of humanity.

And why not, eh?

David




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 11:13:51 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:13:51 -0000
Subject: Tales from Child Support Agency
In-Reply-To: <bvnq3b+gu63@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvnvpf+l06p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> Darwin Awards?  You get those by behaving in a way that's 
guaranteed 
> to end your genetic line.  *These* women (and their missing 
> partners) are, in evolutionary terms, highly successful.  *They* 
are 
> the future of humanity.
> 
> And why not, eh?
> 

Why not, indeed. 
However, to be successful in evolutionary terms means not only that 
you reproduce, but that the offspring are viable, with a good chance 
that they will achieve reproduction. Which puts random reproduction 
in a rather different light. 

Naama




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  3 13:42:52 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:42:52 -0000
Subject: The Thermodynamics of Hell
Message-ID: <bvo8gs+nhbl@eGroups.com>

Okay - stop me if you've heard this one before (probably another 
escapee from the Old Jokes Home) -  But I really liked it...

The following is an actual question given on a University of 
Washington chemistry midterm.  The answer by one student was 
so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues via the 
Internet, which is of course why we now have the pleasure of enjoying 
it as well.

Bonus Question:

Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's      
Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is      
compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:

I need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the     
rate they are leaving.  I think that we can safely assume that once a
soul gets to Hell,it will not leave.  Therefore, no souls are 
leaving.  As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the 
different religions that exist in the world today.

Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of      
their religion, you will go to Hell.  Since there are more than one 
of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one 
religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number      
of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.  Now, we look at the rate 
of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in 
order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the 
volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1.  If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at
which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell 
will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2.  Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the       
increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will 
drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms.  Teresa Banyan       
during my Freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell
before I sleep with you.", and take into account the fact that I 
still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, 
#2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and 
will not freeze.

The student received the only "A" given


Cheers,

June





From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Tue Feb  3 13:49:49 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:49:49 -0000
Subject: Tales from Child Support Agency
In-Reply-To: <bvnq3b+gu63@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvo8tt+4vab@eGroups.com>

davewitley wrote:

> Darwin Awards?  You get those by behaving in a way that's 
guaranteed 
> to end your genetic line.  *These* women (and their missing 
> partners) are, in evolutionary terms, highly successful.  *They* 
are 
> the future of humanity.
> 
> And why not, eh?
> 
> David


now Tcy:

I realize they've succeeded so far...my thought was that they would 
continue making such wonderful choices/decisions in everyday life 
that they would ultimately end up in a 'Darwin Award Winning' 
situation.

But you're right...the damage has already been done.  Thus, the 
shallow end expands.

Tcy




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 14:48:50 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:48:50 -0000
Subject: Tales from Child Support Agency-- Darwin Awards?
In-Reply-To: <bvo8tt+4vab@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvocci+2jni@eGroups.com>

 now Tcy:
> 
> I realize they've succeeded so far...my thought was that they would 
> continue making such wonderful choices/decisions in everyday life 
> that they would ultimately end up in a 'Darwin Award Winning' 
> situation.
> 
> But you're right...the damage has already been done.  Thus, the 
> shallow end expands.


Erin:

If I remember correctly, women very very rarely win Darwin awards 
anyways.  But maybe the fathers of the offspring...

Though, truthfully, I got the feeling from a couple of those 
responses that the writers were actually smart women being sarcastic. 
Some weren't, but a few of them...

Erin




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 14:58:07 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:58:07 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvnass+43qo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvoctv+bd5t@eGroups.com>

Erin: 
> > I was watching TV with my family, and this thing came on, 
basically it's these two little animal puppets who look DEAD, and who 
sing in horrible high-pitched voices so garbled that they have a 
little translation speach bubble. I'm assuming because their 
voiceboxes have decayed, being dead and all? Like watching roadkill 
is really gonna make me want to eat there.   You can see it here:
 
 http://qpon.quiznos.com/

Sandy: 
> Gawd, that's awful. Dr. Frankenstein's mutated chipmunks. I figure 
> maybe it's a take-off on something certain "cool" (or just plain 
> sick) people are into. (Could it be South Park?) That, or they're 
> desperate for ANY attention WHATSOEVER.


Erin:
Wow, okay, after calling about seven people and giving them the 
website so they could watch, and then laughing about it with them, 
I'm now ready to concede to the commercial is actually pretty darn 
hilarious.  So perhaps it has suceeded in its aim?  But no, we all 
agree that it makes us definitely want to avoid eating at Quizno's 
for the forseeable future.

I looked up their press releases on the website, and the Martin 
Agency is the ad place responsible.  And- get this- those *things* 
are supposed to be monkeys.  I watched it a couple more times, but 
Roadkill Hamsters are still all I see.

Erin




From zulyblue at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 15:00:11 2004
From: zulyblue at yahoo.com (zulyblue)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:00:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvn6e0+9rmj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040203150011.95380.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank god I'm not the only one who just plain didn't
get this commercial.  Is there some inside joke we are
all missing?  Someone enlighten me please.

I couldn't even tell if those things were supposed to
be animals, dead animals, pieces of meat or who knows
what!  I thought the one that made most of the  noise
kind of looked like a dancing boneless chicken breast.


zulyblue

--- Erin <erinellii at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> For those in the US, have you seen the new Quizno's
> Subs commercial? 
> I just have one question: What Is *WRONG* With The
> People Who Thought 
> This Up?????!!!
> 
> I was watching TV with my family, and this thing
> came on, basically 
> it's these two little animal puppets who look DEAD,
> and who sing in 
> horrible high-pitched voices so garbled that they
> have a little 
> translation speach bubble. I'm assuming because
> their voiceboxes have 
> decayed, being dead and all? Like watching roadkill
> is really gonna 
> make me want to eat there.   You can see it here:
> 
> http://qpon.quiznos.com/
> 
> 
> Watch it and tell me if I'm crazy to think this is
> the most awful 
> commercial ever.  Okay... I admit, it's funny also,
> but only because 
> it is soooo bad.  Seriously, I don't think I'll ever
> eat at Quizno's 
> if there are pictures of these *things* there.
> 
> Erin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb  3 15:47:41 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:47:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvn6e0+9rmj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3ea6d$13778280$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Watch it and tell me if I'm crazy to think this is the most awful
> commercial ever.  Okay... I admit, it's funny also, but only because
> it is soooo bad.  Seriously, I don't think I'll ever eat at Quizno's
> if there are pictures of these *things* there.
> 
> Erin
> 

Iggy here:

Actually, the funny thing is, I was it while I was having dinner.  (And
it was a Quizno's sub.  My wife had picked some up for us on her way
home from the store, at my request.)

I agree that the commercial is rather bizarre, and I was also
questioning the sanity of those who not only thought it up, but the guys
who thought it was a good enough idea to approve.

On the other hand, I'll also endorse them for the quality of their food.
They have some of the best sandwiches and soups I've found at any place
since moving down here to the south.  (The only other places I've found
that even come close are back in my home area of Central California on
the coast.)

Despite the admittedly warped and bizarre commercial (and remember to
take into account exactly WHO is saying that) I actually strongly
recommend that you try them if you ever get the chance.


Iggy McSnurd







From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb  3 23:57:53 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:57:53 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tales from Child Support Agency-- Darwin Awards?
References: <bvocci+2jni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c3eab1$9406a400$bcde6251@kathryn>


 Erin
>
> Though, truthfully, I got the feeling from a couple of those
> responses that the writers were actually smart women being sarcastic.
> Some weren't, but a few of them...
>
>
K

But clearly not smart enough to realize that being sarcastic to any kind of
bureaucratic agency is a good way to end up buried under even more red tape
than general.

K
*who once commented to the benefits agency 'so what am I supposed to live
on, fresh air?' and got the answer 'yes.'*





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb  4 00:03:07 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:03:07 -0800
Subject: commercials was Re: Crazy Quizno's commercial
References: <bvoctv+bd5t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00d801c3eab2$49e41af0$bcde6251@kathryn>



> Erin:
  So perhaps it has suceeded in its aim?  But no, we all
> agree that it makes us definitely want to avoid eating at Quizno's
> for the forseeable future.
>
K
On the opposite end of the scale in the UK we have a really cool (in my
opinion at any rate) series of adverts that also seems to fail in its aims.
I'm talking about the bank that uses Samuel L Jackson in its adverts. Now
SLJ could convince me to buy pretty much anything anyway, plus the adverts
are usually amusing (even if the jokes are probably older than the bank) -
but while most people I know remember the adverts - none of us can ever
remember which bank they're for, which does rather seem to defeat the
purpose of having an advert.

K





From del at bouncyflea.com  Tue Feb  3 16:16:03 2004
From: del at bouncyflea.com (bouncyflea)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:46:03 +1030
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <20040203150011.95380.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <432E6B79-5664-11D8-B557-000A95808966@bouncyflea.com>


zulyblue wrote:

> Thank god I'm not the only one who just plain didn't
> get this commercial.  Is there some inside joke we are
> all missing?  Someone enlighten me please.
>

Okay, I normally just lurk, but suppose I should pipe up. The ad seems 
to be inspired by the "We Like the Moon" animation, found at 
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ , at rathergood.com which seems to 
have something of a cult following.

Though, perhaps, knowing where it's inspired from doesn't really go a 
long way towards explaining it.

--Bouncyflea.
Who supposes the singing creatures do even have their own kind of 
charm, if you like that kind of thing. Heh.




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 16:26:03 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:26:03 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvmk7q+at2c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvoi2r+ue84@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> HI Annemehr,
> 
> Udder Pendragon is right, beyond showing you where Whiltshire (a
> county) is on a map of England, [...] I can't get much of a sense of
> where the Malfoy Estate might be. 
> 
> There are a few nice castles in Whiltshire but it's most significat
> claim to fame is Stonehenge and also, Woodhenge, as well as many other
>  ancient Neolithic sites. So, this is a very ancient and magical area
> of England, which might explain why an old family like the Malfoys
> live there.

Thank you, bboy_mn.  I had tried looking up "Wiltshire" on Yahoo but
could not find a map of it.  The cities you listed helped -- I could
at least locate the right area of the country.

Stonehenge!  Oooo, I like that area for the Malfoy estate.  I was at
Stonehenge once, right in the middle of it.  I really did feel like it
meant something.  Of course, that could just be because I personally
like vast things, like the ocean or a landscape with a very far
horizon.  Even the wheels and axles and things under a locomotive --
such a great heavy _weight_ of iron, which is why I like real trains
and not model ones.  All right, I'm rambling now, but since I am
*such* a muggle I doubted I was feeling any mystical vibrations from
Stonehenge, even if there are any...
> 
> I have a scan of a map I could send you, and I could create a 3D
> satellite map like my other maps but there aren't many outstanding
> geographic features in the area, so it would mostly be just green.
> 

I did find some on Yahoo by searching for Swindon.  Although I
couldn't find *any* that showed the borders of the county, I could get
the general idea of the area.  If you had a map showing the borders,
I'd be interested to see it!

Thanks again.

Annemehr




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Tue Feb  3 16:36:48 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:36:48 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <432E6B79-5664-11D8-B557-000A95808966@bouncyflea.com>
Message-ID: <bvoin0+952p@eGroups.com>

> The ad seems 
> to be inspired by the "We Like the Moon" animation, found at 
> http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ , at rathergood.com which 
seems to 
> have something of a cult following.
> --Bouncyflea.

Which seems to beg the question: Why are they focusing their 
advertising on such a narrow market, i.e., those who get the joke? If 
the ad appeals only to a few and leaves everybody else cold, I can't 
see that it's an effective campaign. 

This year's Super Bowl ads were pretty disappointing, too. Not a 
moment of brilliance in the bunch. I did like the Budweiser ad where 
the little donkey dreams of becoming a Clydesdale. BTW, I heard a 
spoof of it on the radio this morning where the donkey's bray was 
replaced with Howard Dean's "yeaahgrh!" Now that's funny!
Ms. Tattersall






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb  4 00:33:48 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:33:48 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crazy Quizno's commercial
References: <bvn6e0+9rmj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <013901c3eab6$95066e80$bcde6251@kathryn>

Erin

>
> I was watching TV with my family, and this thing came on, basically
> it's these two little animal puppets who look DEAD, and who sing in
> horrible high-pitched voices so garbled that they have a little
> translation speach bubble. I'm assuming because their voiceboxes have
> decayed, being dead and all? Like watching roadkill is really gonna
> make me want to eat there.   You can see it here:
>
> http://qpon.quiznos.com/
>
>

K

That is just ..... I don't have the words it's so utterly bizarre. I don't
know that it would necessarily put me off eating there - it would mean that
if I ever needed to advertise anything I wouldn't be going with that ad
agency though. *shakes head* It's just surreal.

K





From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Tue Feb  3 16:49:04 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:49:04 -0000
Subject: Crazy laws was: Tales from Child Support Agency-- Darwin Awards?
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3eab1$9406a400$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <bvoje0+g90r@eGroups.com>

>Kathryn Cawte wrote:
>
>But clearly not smart enough to realize that being sarcastic to any 
>kind of bureaucratic agency is a good way to end up buried under 
>even more red tape than general.
> 
> K
> *who once commented to the benefits agency 'so what am I supposed 
to live
> on, fresh air?' and got the answer 'yes.'*


now Tcy:

This reminds me of a good one to share...you should never ask a 
question unless you *really* want the answer...

My husband and I were married in Colorado.  When I called the county 
office to find out what we'd need to obtain a marriage license, I was 
told to show up during office hours with ID and $20 (cash, please, we 
don't accept checks).  When we arrived at the office and made our 
request for a marriage license we were told that we just needed to 
answer a few questions.  The woman behind the counter asked for our 
ID, checked it (for validity, I guess), returned it and asked for our 
$20.  We complied.  She then turned to her computer screen and 
proceeded to ask us things like our names (as they appear on our 
birth certificates), date of birth, etc.  In among the questions, she 
asked if we were related.  My husband glanced at me (he's more subtle 
than I).  I broke out in hysterical laughter.  I quickly realized 
that the woman behind the counter was stumped by my reaction.  I 
composed myself (somewhat), told her that we were not related and 
asked her if she had many people reply 'yes' to that question.  She 
replied (in a frighteningly sober manner) that it happens all the 
time because it's legal for 1st cousins to marry in the state of 
Colorado.

Now don't get me wrong...I enjoyed my 7 years in the state...it's a 
beautiful place...but I do have a problem with a state that allows 
*FIRST* cousins to marry...but has made it illegal to be gay.

Tcy
(who, by the way, was married via speaker phone during her lunch 
break a few days later and will be celebrating her 19th anniversary 
in March)




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb  3 16:50:10 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:50:10 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvoin0+952p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3ea75$cdf93380$18667144@Einstein>

> This year's Super Bowl ads were pretty disappointing, too. Not a
> moment of brilliance in the bunch. I did like the Budweiser ad where
> the little donkey dreams of becoming a Clydesdale. BTW, I heard a
> spoof of it on the radio this morning where the donkey's bray was
> replaced with Howard Dean's "yeaahgrh!" Now that's funny!
> Ms. Tattersall
> 

Iggy here:

Ohhh... I dunno about that.  A few of them got a real belly laugh out of
me... unfortunately, I only remember one of them, so the other ones must
not have been more than a flash in the pan.

My personal favorite was the one from Sierra Mist that had the Scotsman
in a kilt (regimental, I assume), standing over an air vent in the
sidewalk.  The fan blows his kilt up and he's drinking his soda as he
enjoys the refreshing "breeze around his privates."  The lat part of the
commercial is a little boy seeing it while standing next to his father
and saying "That's just wrong, daddy."  The dad doesn't even look over,
he just reaches his hand down and covers the boy's eyes.

(Among other things, it put me in mind of the old wizard in the
nightgown at the World Cup in book four.)


Iggy McSnurd





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Tue Feb  3 16:45:46 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:45:46 -0000
Subject: HP reference in DaVinci Code
Message-ID: <bvoj7q+7tjj@eGroups.com>

Harry gets props in the nation's bestselling book, The DaVinci Code 
by Dan Brown. The main character, Robert Langdon, is talking with his 
editor, Faukman, about his forthcoming book on his theories about the 
Holy Grail. Langdon has just stated that the Holy Grail is arguably 
the most sought-after treasure in human history, and its quest is 
well documented.
- - - - -
Faukman was still shaking his head. "But with all these books written 
about it, why isn't this theory more widely known?"

"These books can't possibly compete with centuries of established 
history, especially when that history is endorsed by the ultimate 
best-seller of all time."

Faukman's eyes went wide. "Don't tell me Harry Potter is actually 
about the Holy Grail."

"I was referring to the Bible."

Faukman cringed. "I knew that."
- - - - -
(As the last person in the western hemisphere to have read the book, 
I found it interesting that no one on this group has mentioned it 
yet.) 
Ms. Tattersall




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb  3 18:00:58 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:00:58 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP reference in DaVinci Code
In-Reply-To: <bvoj7q+7tjj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3ea7f$b0657090$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> "I was referring to the Bible."
> 
> Faukman cringed. "I knew that."
> - - - - -
> (As the last person in the western hemisphere to have read the book,
> I found it interesting that no one on this group has mentioned it
> yet.)
> Ms. Tattersall

Iggy here:

There's a book called "the Bible"??

(OK, j/k there, of course.)

Actually, you're not the last person in the Western Hemisphere to read
the DaVinci Code.  I'd never even heard of it before your post.

Iggy McSnurd







From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 18:26:24 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:24 -0000
Subject: HP reference in DaVinci Code
In-Reply-To: <bvoj7q+7tjj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvop4g+8nbu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mstattersall" <cwood at t...> 
wrote:
> Harry gets props in the nation's bestselling book, The DaVinci Code 
> by Dan Brown. 


Wait a minute... I thought Harry *is* the nation's bestselling book...

Erin




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 23:49:58 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:49:58 -0000
Subject: HP reference in DaVinci Code
In-Reply-To: <000201c3ea7f$b0657090$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bvpc36+th41@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > 
> > "I was referring to the Bible."
> > 
> > Faukman cringed. "I knew that."
> > - - - - -
> > (As the last person in the western hemisphere to have read the 
book, I found it interesting that no one on this group has mentioned 
it yet.)
> > Ms. Tattersall
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> There's a book called "the Bible"??
> 
> (OK, j/k there, of course.)
> 
> Actually, you're not the last person in the Western Hemisphere to 
read the DaVinci Code.  I'd never even heard of it before your post.
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

*****\(@@)/*****

Iggy, with your wide knowledge I can't believe you haven't read that 
book!  It is pretty good!

Now for a limrick:

There was a man named Iggy McSnurd,
Of the Da Vinci code, he has never heard...

Ok, it's up to you to finish it, Iggy....

Dudemom_2000 (who is still jumping for joy that JKR has read her fan 
letter)

*****\(@@)/*****





From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 03:10:02 2004
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:10:02 -0000
Subject: Clarification on Convention Alley Fees and Corrected Registration FAQ Link
Message-ID: <bvpnqa+96b1@eGroups.com>

To follow-up on the Convention Alley Planning Committee's
announcement about the opening of the Convention Alley website and
the start of registration, the CA Planning Committee would like to
clarify that the cost figures are listed in Canadian dollars. While
the conversion is subject to change depending on the value of the
Canadian dollar, $200 CAD currently equals approximately $151 US (for
registrations before March 30, 2004), and $250 CAD currently equals
approximately $189 US for registrations between March 31, 2004 and
July 1, 2004).

In addition, the link to the registration FAQ should be:
http://www.conventionalley.org/registration.html . Message boards have
also been added which may be found at:
http://pub99.ezboard.com/bconventionalley .

Please contact the Convention Alley team at: convention_alley2004 @
hotmail.com (without the spaces) regarding registration questions and
at: hpottawa @ yahoo.no(without the spaces) with any other questions.

~Phyllis Morris
on behalf of the 2004 Convention Alley Planning Committee

Convention Alley is an unofficial event and is not endorsed or
sanctioned by Warner Bros., the Harry Potter book publishers or J.K.
Rowling and her representatives.

Convention Alley also has no affiliation with HP Education Fanon, Inc.









From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 08:41:17 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:41:17 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvoi2r+ue84@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvqb7d+odhi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> 
> > HI Annemehr,
> > 
> > Udder Pendragon is right, beyond showing you where Whiltshire (a
> > county) is on a map of England, [...] I can't get much of a sense
> > of where the Malfoy Estate might be. 
> > 

> Annemehr:
> 
> I did find some on Yahoo by searching for Swindon.  Although I
> couldn't find *any* that showed the borders of the county, I could
> get the general idea of the area.  If you had a map showing the 
> borders,I'd be interested to see it!
> 
> Thanks again.


bboy_mn:

Probably the easiest way is to post it on my website then you can
either just look at it, or download it if you prefer.

http://www.homestead.com/BlueMoonMarket/files/Wiltshire1.jpg

(file is 250kb)


Wiltshire Information-

http://directory.google.com/Top/Regional/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Wiltshire/Travel_and_Tourism/

http://www.visitwiltshire.co.uk/index.asp

Try a search on Old Wardour Castle, it looks promising as the Malfoy
Manor.

Hope that helps.

Steve/bboy_mn







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Feb  4 16:06:04 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:06:04 -0000
Subject: The Letterbox Project
In-Reply-To: <bvmjkv+ppkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvr59c+hq53@eGroups.com>

Dudemom_2000 wrote:

> The Letterbox Project has gotten a response from JKR!
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/the_letter_box/

Just caught up on this properly now.

That's brilliant news - as well as knowing that Book 6 is coming 
along, of course.

David




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 14:37:45 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:37:45 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Location was American weather...was British weather
In-Reply-To: <bvqb7d+odhi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvr03p+696l@eGroups.com>

> > Annemehr:
> > 
> > I did find some on Yahoo by searching for Swindon.  Although I
> > couldn't find *any* that showed the borders of the county, I could
> > get the general idea of the area.  If you had a map showing the 
> > borders,I'd be interested to see it!
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> 
> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> Probably the easiest way is to post it on my website then you can
> either just look at it, or download it if you prefer.
> 
> http://www.homestead.com/BlueMoonMarket/files/Wiltshire1.jpg
> 
> (file is 250kb)

Annemehr:
I did look.  Thanks!

If anyone's interested, you can also see Abergavenny, where Madam Marsh gets off the bus, to the Northwest of Wiltshire.

And, on an autobiographical note, Oxfordshire is there to the Northeast.  Just South of the city of Oxford, you can see Abingdon, 
where I lived for a year, and just South of that is Didcot, where I went to school, '71/'72, when I was 11 (same age as Harry starting 
Hogwarts).

This looks like a paper map you scanned in: < note to self: get a decent atlas and some map software already!>  :-)

Annemehr

> 
> 
> Wiltshire Information-
> 
> http://directory.google.com/Top/Regional/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Wiltshire/Travel_and_Tourism/
> 
> http://www.visitwiltshire.co.uk/index.asp
> 
> Try a search on Old Wardour Castle, it looks promising as the Malfoy
> Manor.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Steve/bboy_mn




From pandora_13 at msn.com  Wed Feb  4 19:41:44 2004
From: pandora_13 at msn.com (Angela Hanson)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:41:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crazy Quizno's commercial
Message-ID: <BAY4-F384iv24Z5XaAc0000fe5a@hotmail.com>

Ms. Tattersall
>
> > This year's Super Bowl ads were pretty disappointing
>
>Iggy here:
>
>Ohhh... I dunno about that.  A few of them got a real belly laugh out of
>me... unfortunately, I only remember one of them, so the other ones must
>not have been more than a flash in the pan.
>
>My personal favorite was the one from Sierra Mist that had the Scotsman
>in a kilt (regimental, I assume), standing over an air vent in the
>sidewalk.  The fan blows his kilt up and he's drinking his soda as he
>enjoys the refreshing "breeze around his privates."  The lat part of the
>commercial is a little boy seeing it while standing next to his father
>and saying "That's just wrong, daddy."  The dad doesn't even look over,
>he just reaches his hand down and covers the boy's eyes.
>

Angela:

My personal favorite was the one for the Chevy SSR.  Starts out with showing 
a whole lot of kids with bars of soap in their mouth, then shows the SSR's 
roof retracting and a kid watching it...finally saying "Holy s**t"  Then him 
with a bar of soap in his mouth...I laughed so hard.  But I do agree they 
were rather disappointing especially since that is the only reason I watched 
the Super Bowl.

Angela
(remembering several times when the game, halftime show, and commercials 
were a lot better than this year...all around disappointing)

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From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Wed Feb  4 22:23:20 2004
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:23:20 -0000
Subject: Do-It-Yourself 3D House Elves
Message-ID: <bvrrco+q9sj@eGroups.com>

I don't know if there are any other 3D modellers in this Group, but
here is a link I found on another List to a tutorial on creating
3D models of Dobby and Kreacher in Maya (can probably be adapted to
other 3D programs): http://www.3dm-mc.com/tutorials/maya/dobby/

--
Dave






From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 22:21:07 2004
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:21:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: a Flock of Fallacies
Message-ID: <20040204222107.16028.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I've been cleaning out my mailbox and found the list 
below and thought I would share them for fun.  :)
As I understand it, the following logical fallacies 
are/were in use at alt.atheism to refer to some of 
the debates that went on there.  Anyone care to 
give their English interpretations?

Example: 

* Argumentum ad popularium:

"I'm more popular than thou, therefore I am right."

Petra
a
n  :)

     *     *     *

* Argumentum ad Smith & Wessum:

* Argumentum ad stupiditas:

* Argumentum ad mensa:

* Argumentum ad asylum:

* Argumentum ad Deum:

* Argumentum ad Unum:

* Argumentum ad Plonkium:

* Argumentum ad crematorium:

* Argumentum ad Triforcium:

* Argumentum ad pendulum:

* Argumentum ad Quotemarkium:

* Non argumentum:

[reference material: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy]

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb  4 22:00:47 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:00:47 -0600
Subject: FW: Who you voting for?
Message-ID: <000201c3eb6a$5942da00$18667144@Einstein>

Forwarded from a relative, and at their request I'm sending it along.
(And, from what I've seen, many of these facts are verifiable.)  Of
course, that doesn't mean that the Democrats have been blameless every
time either, but it does make you think.
 
And no, I do not pledge allegiance to any specific party. I only vote
for the person I feel is the most qualified to do the job.  (I think
this time I'll vote for. I dunno. Albus Dumbledore and Minerva
McGonagal.)
 
Now there's a good one.  If you don't feel either candidate (when
election time comes around) can do the job, write in your vote for
Dumbledore and McGonagall.  For one thing, it still casts your vote, and
for another, it shows JKR how much we love her world.  *grin*)
 
 
Iggy McSnurd
 
 
 
> > George W. Bush
> >
> > The White House, USA
> >
> > Please consider my qualifications for reelection (well, actually  
>   election for the first time) next year.
> >
> >
> >
> > EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE - LAW ENFORCEMENT:
> >
> > I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under
the
> > influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my
driver's
> > license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been 
>"lost"and is
> > not available.
> >
> >
> >
> > MILITARY:
> >
> > I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to
take a
> > drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the 
>Texas
> > Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
> >
> >
> >
> > COLLEGE:
> >
> > I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a 
>cheerleader.
> >
> >
> >
> > PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
> >
> > I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil
business 
>in
> > Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find
any 
>oil
> > in Texas... The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my
stock. 
>I
> > bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that
took 
>land
> > using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our right-wing 
>friends
> > in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected 
>governor of
> > Texas.
> >
> >
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
> >
> > I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies,
making
> > Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure,
Houston
> > replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. 
    I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of
billions 
    in borrowed money.
> > I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American
> > history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and
my
> > father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after

>   losing by over 500,000 votes.
> >
> >
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a 
    criminal record. 
    I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of  
>   over one billion dollars per week. 
    I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively
> > bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. 
    I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S.
history.
    I set an economic record for most private
> > bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. 
    I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month
period. 
    I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the
U.S. Stock Market. 
    In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs
and 
    that trend continues every month. 
    I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the 
    richest of any administration in U.S. history. 
    My "poorest millionaire,"  Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker
named after her. 
    I set the record for  most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S.
President. 
    I am the all-time U.S.and world record-holder for receiving the most
corporate 
    campaign donations. 
>   My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best
friends, 
>   Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in
U.S. 
>   history, Enron. 
    My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys
to
> > assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election 
>   decision. 
    I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
investigation 
>   or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the
Monica 
>   Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest
corporate
> > rip-offs in history. 
    I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.history and refused
to 
    intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. 
    I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. 
    I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be
    awarded government contracts. 
    I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any
President in 
    U.S. history. 
    I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy
in the history 
    of the United States government. 
    I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S.
history. 
    I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations
remove the 
    U.S. from the Human Rights Commission. 
    I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law. 
    I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war"
detainees and 
    thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. 
    I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations
election inspectors 
    (during the 2002 U.S. election).
    After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the
worst
    security failure in U.S. history. 
    I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade
Center attacks 
    and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in
the world, 
    the largest failure of any diplomacy in world history. 
   I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest 
   me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against 
   any person in the history of mankind. 
   I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
   preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. 
   I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.

   citizens, and the world community. 
   I have cut health care benefits for war veterans
   and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their 
   families -- in war time. 
   In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons
   for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends. 
   I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans
(71%) view 
   my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. 
   I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a
WMD. 
   have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to 
  justice...



> > RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
> >
> > All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's
> > library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC
> > investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are

>sealed
> > in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes
from
> > meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public
energy
> > policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
> >
> >
> >
> > PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004. PLEASE SEND THIS
TO 
>EVERY
> > VOTER YOU KNOW
 
"Be patient and achieve all things. Be impatient and achieve all things
faster."
--The Art of Zen Judaism


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 22:01:38 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:01:38 -0000
Subject: Here is the scan of the Letter from JKR
Message-ID: <bvrq42+b7lo@eGroups.com>

It was finally posted!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/the_letter_box/7059.html?
view=167571#t167571


Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Feb  4 23:35:16 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:35:16 -0000
Subject: FW: Who you voting for?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3eb6a$5942da00$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bvrvjk+51rm@eGroups.com>

Iggy McSnurd wrote:

> Forwarded from a relative, and at their request I'm sending it 
along.

I don't understand: "at their request"?  

Please tell me this isn't an attempt to influence the voting 
behaviour of HPFGU members, many of whom are not US citizens.

David




From stanleys at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  4 22:34:47 2004
From: stanleys at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:34:47 -0000
Subject: A definition please
Message-ID: <bvrs27+9p3r@eGroups.com>

Hello Everyone!
Please excuse my idiocy, but I need assistance with a word that 
appears in many posts.  What is septology?  I have searched my 
dictionary here and on line and can find no listing.  Is it perhaps a 
reference to the series of 7 books?  Thanks for the help!

Sue





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  5 07:34:53 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:34:53 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FW: Who you voting for?
References: <000201c3eb6a$5942da00$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <001d01c3ebba$92facbe0$bcde6251@kathryn>


> > > COLLEGE:
> > >
> > > I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a
> >cheerleader.


Does anyone else have the scary image of Bush in one of those short
cheerleading skirts and waving pompoms around?

K
*wondering if there's some way to combine this with the Howard Dean Scream
to create the world's most effective (but probably ugliest) cheerleader*





From erinellii at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 00:27:10 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:27:10 -0000
Subject: A definition please
In-Reply-To: <bvrs27+9p3r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvs2ku+b7t2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "suehpfan" <stanleys at s...> 
wrote:
> Hello Everyone!
> Please excuse my idiocy, but I need assistance with a word that 
> appears in many posts.  What is septology?  I have searched my 
> dictionary here and on line and can find no listing.  Is it perhaps 
a 
> reference to the series of 7 books?  Thanks for the help!
> 
> Sue


Erin:

Yes, that is exactly what it is, like a trilogy, only there are 7 
books.  The word comes the book "Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the 
Mysteries of Harry Potter" by Galadriel Waters

Erin




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  5 08:34:10 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:34:10 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FW: Who you voting for?
References: <bvrvjk+51rm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3ebc2$d3c287f0$bcde6251@kathryn>



> Please tell me this isn't an attempt to influence the voting
> behaviour of HPFGU members, many of whom are not US citizens.
>
For which some of us are probably very grateful right now, I know I am. In
the UK the campaigning for a General Election (the only kind of nationwide
election we have in England) lasts a matter of weeks and is generally deemed
by everyone not involved with the process in any way (other than as a voter)
to be too darn long. I can't even begin to imagine having to sit through
about a year's worth of campaigning of the kind the US Presidential election
and the preceding selection process for the candidates seem to involve. To
me that seems more like the torture you'd get in one of the lesser circles
of hell.

Although it might just be worth it to watch things like the Dean screech -
the most we ever get is John Prescott attempting to demonstrate the correct
method of dealing with your critics.

Since more people apparently voted in the last Pop Idol final than the last
General Election I think we should just lock all the party leaders in a
small house a la Big Brother and let the general public vote them out week
by week (or possibly just lock 'em in and leave 'em there <g>)

K





From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 01:01:14 2004
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:01:14 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A definition please
Message-ID: <115.2e580854.2d52efda@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/4/2004 7:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
stanleys at sbcglobal.net writes:

> Hello Everyone!
> Please excuse my idiocy, but I need assistance with a word that 
> appears in many posts.  What is septology?  I have searched my 
> dictionary here and on line and can find no listing.  Is it perhaps a 
> reference to the series of 7 books?  Thanks for the help!
> 
> Sue

I think it is 'a series of seven books'   then there's sextology, quintology, 
quartology, triology.... 

~Cassie~ 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Feb  5 01:13:29 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:13:29 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FW: Who you voting for?
In-Reply-To: <bvrvjk+51rm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3eb85$43e98120$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> 
> > Forwarded from a relative, and at their request I'm sending it
> along.
> 
> I don't understand: "at their request"?

Iggy here:

They asked my to forward it on to anyone I know.

> 
> Please tell me this isn't an attempt to influence the voting
> behaviour of HPFGU members, many of whom are not US citizens.
> 
> David
> 

Iggy here:

Nope.  I know a great deal of them aren't US citizens.  I just sent it
in because it's something to think about... especially when the media
claims that he's such a cool guy.

Simply put, it's looking at what they tell you, and what they cover
up... and this applies to any politicians.  (Heck, if I was British or
an Aussie and was sent this about the Prime Minister at re-election
time, I'd be inclined to send it in as well.)  Just an exercise in
looking at the PR of politics as it relates to the reality of it.

Let's do a comparison below...

Iggy McSnurd


Cornelius Fudge is up for Re-Assignment as the Minister of MOM.

... he has continually relied on the one person he feared would be
selected instead of him.  Yet when this person disagreed with him, Fudge
conspired to have him stripped of all influence, respect, and
eventually, his freedom.

... he was made aware of the resurrection of Lord Voldemort, yet
actively suppressed this information, and attempted to discredit the
messenger.

... he has had constant contact with, and accepted questionable
donations from, a known Death Eater by the name of Lucius Malfoy.

... he had a Dementor deliver the Kiss upon a captured Death Eater
without a jury trial or even an investigation as to what he did and why.
This captive Death Eater had also murdered a high ranking Ministry
official and was in contact with Lord Voldemort himself.  Both are facts
that were ignored.

... when the Resurrection of Lord Voldemort was made public knowledge,
he attempted to cover up and deny his own previous cover up of his
knowledge of the event.

... he deliberately placed a fanatical supporter of his within the
faculty of Hogwarts in an attempt to eliminate a non-existent, yet
perceived threat to the stability of his own power.  This included
approving acts of censorship, torture, espionage, deception, and tyranny
over the students and faculty of the school itself.



These are just the few examples that pop to mind at the moment... but
I'm sure the list could come up with a lot more...

Iggy







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Feb  5 02:13:49 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:13:49 -0000
Subject: FW: Who you voting for?
In-Reply-To: <000501c3ebc2$d3c287f0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <bvs8st+p0va@eGroups.com>

Kathryn Cawte wrote:

> Since more people apparently voted in the last Pop Idol final than 
the last
> General Election I think we should just lock all the party leaders 
in a
> small house a la Big Brother and let the general public vote them 
out week
> by week (or possibly just lock 'em in and leave 'em there <g>)

Geordie accented voiceover:

The inmates of the Big Brother parliament have just failed in their 
first task: to bring peace to Iraq.  As a punishment, they will have 
to relive the Hutton Enquiry.  Gordon is on the sofa by himself, 
while Tony and Peter are drinking Chianti.  Michael is hanging from 
the rafters, while Charles is talking to himself in the Jacuzzi, and 
playing up to the cameras.

Who goes? *You* decide!




From holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 02:54:32 2004
From: holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com (holmesclan2002)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:54:32 -0000
Subject: Here is the scan of the letter from JKR
Message-ID: <bvsb98+efhk@eGroups.com>


 Thanks for a peek at the actual letter! One question... is that a "Christian Fish" symbol 
after the 'Jo" signature?  Or am I just reaching for clues?

-Mel, who has just finished reading  'The Hidden Key to Harry Potter' , and is now more 
curious than ever about symbols in literature!




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  5 10:53:42 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:53:42 -0800
Subject: Fw: [spam] Did LV tried to spare Lily?(was: From Black to White (was Peter...)
Message-ID: <004a01c3ebd6$523b42d0$bcde6251@kathryn>

OK, well this is a new and irritating development. I just got four messages
like this from HPfGU and one from a fic list I'm on.

Anyone know what YaHell are playing at now?

K
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at yahoo.com>
To: <HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:57 PM
Subject: [spam] Did LV tried to spare Lily?(was: From Black to White (was
Peter...)


> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups SpamGuard has detected that the attached message to the
> group HPforGrownups is likely to be spam.  For more information
> about SpamGuard, please visit our help pages:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/local/spamguard.html
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>





From jmmears at comcast.net  Thu Feb  5 03:07:49 2004
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:07:49 -0000
Subject: FW: Who you voting for?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3eb85$43e98120$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bvsc25+b741@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:

> Iggy here:
> 
> Nope.  I know a great deal of them aren't US citizens.  I just 
sent it
> in because it's something to think about... especially when the 
media
> claims that he's such a cool guy.
> 
> Simply put, it's looking at what they tell you, and what they cover
> up... and this applies to any politicians. 


So, if I understand you correctly, the information you posted is 
accurate but part of a "cover up" by the mainstream media?  Why 
would the press cover up such juicy stuff?  

Just curious,

Jo S., who doesn't necessarily believe everything she reads on the 
internet either




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Feb  5 03:15:42 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:15:42 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FW: Who you voting for?
In-Reply-To: <bvsc25+b741@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c3eb96$5f68a0a0$18667144@Einstein>

> So, if I understand you correctly, the information you posted is
> accurate but part of a "cover up" by the mainstream media?  Why
> would the press cover up such juicy stuff?
> 
> Just curious,
> 
> Jo S., who doesn't necessarily believe everything she reads on the
> internet either
> 

Iggy here:

I'm not saying that it's specifically a cover up by the media.  What I'm
simply saying is that there's a lot of things out there that the general
public doesn't know, pay attention to, or doesn't bother to find out.
(And I'm not just pointing at GWB specifically, either.  There were a
number of things like this that could be said about Clinton as well, and
most candidates, successfully elected or not.)

And you just stated part of what I'm saying.  Don't believe everything
you see, hear, or read... and also realize that there's a lot that they
*don't* tell you.


Iggy McSnurd







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Feb  5 03:11:35 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:11:35 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fw: [spam] Did LV tried to spare Lily?(was: From Black to White (was Peter...)
In-Reply-To: <004a01c3ebd6$523b42d0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <000d01c3eb95$c346aff0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Dunno, but to be on the safe side, I'm deleting them without opening the
attachments.

Iggy McSnurd


> OK, well this is a new and irritating development. I just got four
> messages
> like this from HPfGU and one from a fic list I'm on.
> 
> Anyone know what YaHell are playing at now?
> 
> K






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  5 11:32:59 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:32:59 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fw: [spam] Did LV tried to spare Lily?(was: From Black to White (was Peter...)
References: <000d01c3eb95$c346aff0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <00a001c3ebdb$ceebf040$bcde6251@kathryn>



> Iggy here:
>
> Dunno, but to be on the safe side, I'm deleting them without opening the
> attachments.
>

I *can't* open the attachments for some reason (actually I had that problem
on another group I was on. Some of us could open attachments sent to the
group and some couldn't) but they're not registering with my virus checker
so they're not dangerous as far as I can tell. It seems to me that Yahell
has some new spam filter thing that is catching quite a few non-spam type
messages. It's happening most with HPfGU's messages for me, but that's
presumably because it's the highest volume list I'm on so the odds are
higher that it'll be affected.

K





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Thu Feb  5 03:01:08 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:01:08 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Here is the scan of the letter from JKR
References: <bvsb98+efhk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01a001c3eb94$4e446c20$6c3f1c40@oemcomputer>

Mel wrote:

< Thanks for a peek at the actual letter! One
question... is that a "Christian Fish" symbol
after the 'Jo" signature?  Or am I just
reaching for clues?>

I think you're searching too far hun, it
looks just like a squiggle.  I tend to ad
them after my signature as well.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Feb  5 03:40:40 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:40:40 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SpamGuard
In-Reply-To: <004a01c3ebd6$523b42d0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <402255E8.12670.E52FD@localhost>

On 5 Feb 2004 at 2:53, Kathryn Cawte wrote:

> OK, well this is a new and irritating development. I just got four messages
> like this from HPfGU and one from a fic list I'm on.
> 
> Anyone know what YaHell are playing at now?

Yes, they are responding to complaints and are trying to implement 
requested spam controls.

In theory it's a good idea. In practice it looks like they need to 
refine their filters more.

This may prove to be *really* useful for groups that already get a 
lot of spam - on some I am on, 95% of all messages are spam, and 
this will hopefully eventually give people a way of filtering it.

On groups that had fairly low spam levels, it is going to be really 
annoying - hopefully yahoogroups will set up a way that group 
moderators can choose to turn this setting off (I'm about to go 
looking for information on that for my own groups).

Just for the record - on a plain text group, it will be safe to 
open these messages - because the attachments will only plain text.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From Koinonia2 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 03:43:09 2004
From: Koinonia2 at hotmail.com (koinonia02)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:43:09 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <432E6B79-5664-11D8-B557-000A95808966@bouncyflea.com>
Message-ID: <bvse4d+idun@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, bouncyflea <del at b...> wrote:

> Okay, I normally just lurk, but suppose I should pipe up. The ad 
seems 
> to be inspired by the "We Like the Moon" animation, found at 
> http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ , at rathergood.com which 
seems to 
> have something of a cult following.
> 
> Though, perhaps, knowing where it's inspired from doesn't really 
go a 
> long way towards explaining it.

"K"

Yes, it is the creatures from "We Like the Moon". I saw the Quizno's 
commercial for the first time tonight. I was just telling my 
daughter that unless you knew about "We Like the Moon" one would 
never know what was up. Of course she just looked at me and said 
everyone does know about them. At least the high school kids do. <G>

 
> --Bouncyflea.
> Who supposes the singing creatures do even have their own kind of 
> charm, if you like that kind of thing. Heh.

"K"

They grow on you. I've seen it so many times they feel like family. 




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Feb  5 03:46:49 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:46:49 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SpamGuard
In-Reply-To: <402255E8.12670.E52FD@localhost>
References: <004a01c3ebd6$523b42d0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <40225759.25261.13F570@localhost>

On 5 Feb 2004 at 14:40, Shaun Hately wrote:

> On groups that had fairly low spam levels, it is going to be really 
> annoying - hopefully yahoogroups will set up a way that group 
> moderators can choose to turn this setting off (I'm about to go 
> looking for information on that for my own groups).

Moderators CAN turn Spamguard off - from the Management screen, 
they need to go to 'Messages' and then to 'Edit' next to 'Posting 
and Archives'.

I thought this might help if they are looking to switch this off.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From Koinonia2 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 04:02:27 2004
From: Koinonia2 at hotmail.com (koinonia02)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 04:02:27 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvse4d+idun@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvsf8j+4dps@eGroups.com>

We Like the Moon

http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/




From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 04:51:59 2004
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 04:51:59 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvsf8j+4dps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvsi5f+spb3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "koinonia02" <Koinonia2 at h...> 
wrote:
> We Like the Moon
> 
> http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/

God, I feel old. I remember embracing stuff my parents reacted to 
with some amalgam of horror, incomprehension, and disgust; I didn't 
like the stuff JUST because they didn't get it, but it helped. Now I 
can't help but wonder what in the world anyone could find attractive 
about this odd, slightly disturbing animation and tedious audio 
track. (The "slightly disturbing" is probably a clue right there.) 
The amateurishness may appeal to some who are sick of super-slick 
overproduction. It's certainly silly. It's a shame it isn't (IMO) 
somewhat clever as well. (I *like* clever silliness. But this seems 
like a celebration of mediocrity.)

Sandy




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 04:58:44 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 04:58:44 -0000
Subject: Crazy Quizno's commercial
In-Reply-To: <bvse4d+idun@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvsii4+2j9f@eGroups.com>


> "K"
> 
> Yes, it is the creatures from "We Like the Moon". I saw the 
Quizno's 
> commercial for the first time tonight. I was just telling my 
> daughter that unless you knew about "We Like the Moon" one would 
> never know what was up. Of course she just looked at me and said 
> everyone does know about them. At least the high school kids do. <G>
> 
>  
> > --Bouncyflea.
> > Who supposes the singing creatures do even have their own kind of 
> > charm, if you like that kind of thing. Heh.



Wow, looking around that site, did anyone else notice that it 
basically exists to sell $20 t-shirts and $14 coffee mugs?

So they sold out to the Quizno's commercial people.  Big surprise 
there.  I asked my sister, who's in high school, and she said she's 
never heard of them.  But then, we do live in Mobile, Alabama.  No, 
I'm not saying we're culturally backwards, just that it's warm enough 
here that kids here can go out and do stuff, while those elsewhere 
are stuck on the computer with nothing better to do than look up 
crazy singing puppet web sites.

Sometimes I like Alabama.

Erin 




From editor at texas.net  Thu Feb  5 05:31:24 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:31:24 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FW: Who you voting for?
References: <000001c3eb85$43e98120$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <008601c3eba9$4c92df00$8159aacf@texas.net>

As a listmember, I observe only, that I find threads such as this drag the
"real" world into where I prefer to play. It was this sort of thing--offhand
comments, etc., that led some members of the list to feel excluded,
marginalized, or criticized during the last election, and which led to the
(now lifted) ban on political discussion. I hope we can handle it better
this time around.

~Amanda





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Feb  5 05:32:33 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 05:32:33 -0000
Subject: FW: Who you voting for?
In-Reply-To: <001101c3eb96$5f68a0a0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bvskhh+gu6g@eGroups.com>

> Iggy here:
> And you just stated part of what I'm saying.  Don't believe 
everything
> you see, hear, or read... and also realize that there's a lot that 
they
> *don't* tell you.

I'll applaud that sentiment and add that no one--repeat, no one--
currently a serious candidate for the presidency of the U.S. is in 
any position to cast self-righteous stones. (In everyone's defense, I 
doubt that anyone of age to become president, even those of us in 
this august group of debaters, could pass the political cavity search 
required of a candidate these days.) 

It is only February and I am already sick of the mudslinging, 
namecalling, half-truths and outright lies, hypocrisy, grandstanding, 
and rhetoric. Sad that the most truly qualified candidates have 
already withdrawn from the race. I'd've voted for Joe Lieberman in a 
heartbeat even over W, whom I still admire and support (about 90%). 
(There you have my position.)

I saw on Mugglenet a link to a bumpersticker available that 
says "Republicans for Voldemort." I'm half inclined to get one!

Now, let's talk about something else before I "do a Dean" and 
go "yeaahrgh!"
Ms.Tattersall






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Feb  5 08:56:10 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:56:10 -0000
Subject: Here is the scan of the letter from JKR
In-Reply-To: <bvsb98+efhk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvt0fa+blh7@eGroups.com>

holmesclan2002 wrote:
> 
>  Thanks for a peek at the actual letter! One question... is that 
a "Christian Fish" symbol 
> after the 'Jo" signature?  Or am I just reaching for clues?
> 
> -Mel, who has just finished reading  'The Hidden Key to Harry 
Potter' , and is now more 
> curious than ever about symbols in literature!

Like Saitaina, I think it's just underlining her signature.

I'm more interested in the spider motif on the first sheet.  It 
seems a slightly unusual choice.  What are the four dots on the back 
of the spider?  Any thoughts?

I am also asking this question on the LJ, under my LJ user id of 
sageofgodalming.

I repeat the url for convenience:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/the_letter_box/7059.html

David




From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Thu Feb  5 10:58:25 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw "Pshemekan" Plaskowicki)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:58:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fw: [spam] Did LV tried to spare Lily?(was:
 From Black to White (was Peter...)
In-Reply-To: <00a001c3ebdb$ceebf040$bcde6251@kathryn>
References: <000d01c3eb95$c346aff0$18667144@Einstein> <00a001c3ebdb$ceebf040$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <402221D1.3090100@ipartner.com.pl>

On 2/5/2004 12:32 PM, Kathryn Cawte wrote :

>  
>
>>Iggy here:
>>
>>Dunno, but to be on the safe side, I'm deleting them without opening the
>>attachments.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I *can't* open the attachments for some reason (actually I had that problem
>on another group I was on. Some of us could open attachments sent to the
>group and some couldn't) but they're not registering with my virus checker
>so they're not dangerous as far as I can tell. 
>
Indeed. Those attached messages are mime type  message/rfc822  -- 
attached e-mail message. Since Yahoo does not permit binary attachement 
in any of HP4GU groups, those messages should be safe.

On the related note I never seen such broken implementation of spam 
filter in my whole career. What an icompetent fool designed that 
messaged are to be _attached_  not marked by changing headers. It is so 
broken, that even Microsoft wouldn't design something like that (I hope).

Regards,

Pshemekan

-- 
He not busy being born is busy dying. (Bob Dylan)




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Feb  5 18:41:11 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:41:11 -0600
Subject: A note about the SPAM flags
Message-ID: <000601c3ec17$a97dc220$18667144@Einstein>

I checked into Yahoo's help-files, and the only real reason those
accounts should be getting flagged as SPAM is if those posts are being
sent to multiple addresses at the same time, either overtly, or through
a BCC:.

For those of you who are falling prey to this, I have a bit of advice:
Have a full system check done by your Anti-Virus and see if it catches
anything.  The big virus that the e-community is dealing with does a few
things, but one of them is also sending information to certain computers
via attachments and/or BCC:'s so that the virus can gather information.

This is especially likely if you're connecting on from a work or school
based e-mail address that requires you to go through your employer or
school's host servers.  (This is because those are the ones most likely
to be affected by the major aspect of this virus.  This can also happen
to your PC if you have LINUX on it... since the virus is designed to
latch onto LINUX as its primary function.)

If you don't qualify under the major factors (work/school based e-mail
and/or LINUX on your personal system) or you're not sending these
letters to multiple addresses in any way that you know of, then it's
something that we might want to work on narrowing down.  If there's
another reason for this, we will want to look into it, and/or report it
to Yahoo for investigation.

(The Elves may also want to check if the SPAM guard has been activated
for the group, and who did it...  This will help as well.)

Thought I would let you all know. 


Iggy McSnurd







From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 18:58:36 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:58:36 EST
Subject: A note about the SPAM flags
Message-ID: <25.43d496f5.2d53ec5c@aol.com>

Iggy:
> (The Elves may also want to check if the SPAM guard has been activated
> for the group, and who did it...  This will help as well.)


Yahoo activated it. If you look at the top of the page, there's a new banner 
from Yahoo, explaining that this is a benefit which they have just introduced.

If this continues to be a problem, obviously disabling it may be an option as 
the moderation of new posters normally prevents spam from getting through.

~Eloise

who wonders if she's the only one needing a magnifying class to read the 
groups at present (*now* what?) and notes that messages come out the right size if 
you hit 'reply'.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From foxydoxy1 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 20:12:12 2004
From: foxydoxy1 at yahoo.com (FoxyDoxy)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:12:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] iddy biddy text size (was: A note about the SPAM flags)
In-Reply-To: <25.43d496f5.2d53ec5c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040205201212.81491.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com>


~Eloise wrote:

who wonders if she's the only one needing a magnifying glass to read the 
groups at present (*now* what?) and notes that messages come out the right size if 
you hit 'reply'.

Doxy:

Something like this happened to me, except my text size was gigantic. Have you tried clicking 'View' on your toolbar, then click 'Text Size' to see if 'Smallest' has been selected. If it has, try choosing a larger size. That's what I did (choosing a smaller size of course)and my text looks fine and dandy now. If that doesn't fix the problem then I'm out of ideas. 

Doxy, not as computer literate as she likes to pretend she is, but troubleshooting just the same. 





---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Thu Feb  5 20:57:38 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:57:38 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A note about the SPAM flags
In-Reply-To: <000601c3ec17$a97dc220$18667144@Einstein>
References: <000601c3ec17$a97dc220$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <4022AE42.7070005@ipartner.com.pl>

Iggy McSnurd wrote:

>I checked into Yahoo's help-files, and the only real reason those
>accounts should be getting flagged as SPAM is if those posts are being
>sent to multiple addresses at the same time, either overtly, or through
>a BCC:.
>
>For those of you who are falling prey to this, I have a bit of advice:
>Have a full system check done by your Anti-Virus and see if it catches
>anything.  The big virus that the e-community is dealing with does a few
>things, but one of them is also sending information to certain computers
>via attachments and/or BCC:'s so that the virus can gather information.
>
>This is especially likely if you're connecting on from a work or school
>based e-mail address that requires you to go through your employer or
>school's host servers.  (This is because those are the ones most likely
>to be affected by the major aspect of this virus.  This can also happen
>to your PC if you have LINUX on it... since the virus is designed to
>latch onto LINUX as its primary function.)
>
>If you don't qualify under the major factors (work/school based e-mail
>and/or LINUX on your personal system) or you're not sending these
>letters to multiple addresses in any way that you know of, then it's
>something that we might want to work on narrowing down.  If there's
>another reason for this, we will want to look into it, and/or report it
>to Yahoo for investigation.
>
>(The Elves may also want to check if the SPAM guard has been activated
>for the group, and who did it...  This will help as well.)
>
>Thought I would let you all know. 
>
>
>Iggy McSnurd
>
>  
>
Dear Iggy,

With all due respect, you really shouldn't have written this. Apparently 
you have no idea about what are you talking about.

Speaking as a person who does System Administration for a living, all 
what have been said above is total nonsense.
Firstly, quick view of those messages classified as spam is that they 
are mostly (or even only as I didn't check all messages) send via web 
page form since they contain those lines:

User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82

X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster

As a side note those messages contain this line:
X-eGroups-Rocket-Track:
1: 100 ; SFLAG=OPENRELAY ; IPCR=g-w0,n0,g100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.245
which is apparently an information why it was marked as spam (openrelay 
in this case) -- of course how can this be the problem when message is 
sent via Web Form, is beyond my comprehension.
Also those spam tags appear only in posts received via e-mail. They are 
not tagged as spam on web archives (cf. OT-Chatter mesgs #21399 -- not 
tagged in web archive, tagged in my inbox).


Secondly, the description of current virus outbreak internals is just 
plain wrong. See this link: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm 
for REAL info how does it work. Quoting from this site: "Mydoom only 
infects systems running Microsoft Windows."

Thirdly, this virus have nothing to do with 
Linux/Unix/FreeBSD/HPunix/AmigaDOS and any other Operating System 
besides Microsoft WIndows. As a matter of fact MS Windows is the only 
modern OS affected with viruses.

Fourthly, since the beginning e-mails are being sent via "your employer 
or school's host servers". (I shall refrain from pointing the difference 
between terms "host" and "server" and nonsense of "host server" term).

I agree, however, that mods should ASAP disable SpamGuard filters on all 
HP4GU groups as current implementation is obviously broken.

Regards,

-- 
Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
He not busy being born is busy dying. (Bob Dylan)






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Feb  5 21:41:51 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:41:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A note about the SPAM flags
In-Reply-To: <4022AE42.7070005@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <000d01c3ec30$e0a0b640$18667144@Einstein>

> Dear Iggy,
> 
> With all due respect, you really shouldn't have written this.
Apparently
> you have no idea about what are you talking about.
> 

*snipped*

> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
> He not busy being born is busy dying. (Bob Dylan)
> 

Iggy here:

With all due respect in return, I have three brief comments.

1 - What I described about the virus was something I read in a news
story from Yahoo.

2 - What I mentioned about the Spam Guard is going from what's in
Yahoo's help-files about it.

And 

3 - If you know enough to so politely inform me about how wrong I am,
why didn't you step up and try to advise people about what the problem
is when it first started popping up, rather than waiting for someone to
post what you apparently have corrected as erroneous information?


'nuff said, and no more will be said from me.

Iggy McSnurd







From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Thu Feb  5 22:35:17 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:35:17 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A note about the SPAM flags
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3ec30$e0a0b640$18667144@Einstein>
References: <000d01c3ec30$e0a0b640$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <4022C525.6080605@ipartner.com.pl>

Iggy McSnurd wrote:

>With all due respect in return, I have three brief comments.
>
>1 - What I described about the virus was something I read in a news
>story from Yahoo.
>  
>

So you should put link to it, instead of trying to describe it using 
your own words. Linux was probably mentioned because attacked site is 
sco.com. SCO is a company which is suing IBM and Linux users over 
alleged violation of SCO's Intellectual Properties (see 
http://www.groklaw.net). Some sources claims that this virus was written 
by some disgruntled Linux users, while majority believe it was some 
spammers works -- as that group benefits from this type of viruses.

>2 - What I mentioned about the Spam Guard is going from what's in
>Yahoo's help-files about it.
>  
>

True. But once again, you should stick to pointing appropriate link 
instead of trying to describe it in your own words. The Yahoo help files 
are enough technically wrong without being transformed by another person.

>And 
>
>3 - If you know enough to so politely inform me about how wrong I am,
>why didn't you step up and try to advise people about what the problem
>is when it first started popping up, rather than waiting for someone to
>post what you apparently have corrected as erroneous information?
>
>  
>
Because:
a) I was in work, so I was able only to reply with very short message 
about attachments (I am in Central European Time zone),
b) OT-Chatter is, I believe, not the right group designed for discussing 
technical matters (more appropriate should be Feedback)
c) It is Admin's responsibility to issue warnings regarding technical 
issues, unauthorized warnings often create more disinformations than 
informations,
d) As not being an Admin, I possibly does not have enough knowledge 
about this. Admins, I think, receive more detailed messages about what 
goes 'under the hood' of lists.
e) I believe that Admin Team is working on that problem right now,
f) If Admin's needed help they would ask for it -- at least one Admin 
Team member know that my skills are always at HP4GU's service.

>'nuff said, and no more will be said from me.
>
>  
>
 From me too. However I would appreciate semi-official statement from 
Admins.

Sorry, If  I was rude (in this and previous message), it was not my 
intention -- English is not my native language (see headers of this 
message).
BTW see this interesting article in NYT: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/technology/05VIRU.html (reg. required) 
-- quoting "the geeks' patience is growing thin" ;-)

Regards,


-- 
Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Feb  5 23:22:13 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:22:13 -0000
Subject: A note about the SPAM flags
In-Reply-To: <4022C525.6080605@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <bvuj75+eprq@eGroups.com>

<All snippiness snipped>
>  From me too. However I would appreciate semi-official statement 
from 
> Admins.
> 
> Sorry, If  I was rude (in this and previous message), it was not my 
> intention -- English is not my native language (see headers of this 
> message).
> Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki

Everything else aside, I admire the heck out of this person for being 
not only technically knowledgeable, but also able to be technically 
knowledgeable in two disparate and difficult languages. 

If a person who speaks two languages is bilingual, and a person who 
speaks three languages is trilingual, what do you call someone who 
speaks only one language?

American.

Guilty as charged, wishing I'd learned a second language when I was 
young and still had malleable brain cells,
Ms. Tattersall






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb  6 08:20:51 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:20:51 -0800
Subject: Languages was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A note about the SPAM flags
References: <bvuj75+eprq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c3ec8a$21fdf7c0$bcde6251@kathryn>

Ms. Tattersall

>
> Everything else aside, I admire the heck out of this person for being
> not only technically knowledgeable, but also able to be technically
> knowledgeable in two disparate and difficult languages.
>

K

Me too - although I wonder if the technical stuff in whichever language it
is, is anything like the technical stuff in German - I know a person who
works for a software company of some kind who regularly communicates with a
German counterpart. neither speaks the other's language, making smalltalk
impossible, but once they get to talking in technicalities they understand
one another perfectly because so many German computer related terms are
simply the American terms, occasionally spellt differently. Something which
is becoming more and more common in German despite periodic attempts to weed
out the foreign words (which is never going to be entirely possible,
especially in German which had a whole layer of French terms develop during
the Napoleonic era - because it was fashionable if you were aristocratic to
talk French)

Ms. Tattersall
> If a person who speaks two languages is bilingual, and a person who
> speaks three languages is trilingual, what do you call someone who
> speaks only one language?
>
> American.
>
> Guilty as charged, wishing I'd learned a second language when I was
> young and still had malleable brain cells,
> >
>
K

I think English would be as accurate as American - if not more so. I was on
holiday in France staying at a small hotel with the stereotypical group of
English tourists (their mere presence made the rest of us want to apologise
for them). They persisted in the belief that the French waitress was merely
being awkward when not understanding them and that if they SHOUTED at her
slowly then she'd suddenly know what they meant.

K





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Feb  6 00:32:49 2004
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:32:49 -0000
Subject: A note about the SPAM flags
In-Reply-To: <4022C525.6080605@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <bvunbh+17ie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Przemyslaw Plaskowicki" wrote:
[snip]
> Because:
[snip]
> d) As not being an Admin, I possibly does not
> have enough knowledge about this. Admins, I
> think, receive more detailed messages about
> what goes 'under the hood' of lists.

In this I believe you know as much as the admins.  I am ranked as a 
mdoerator on another Yahoo!Group, and never received any information 
from Yahoo!Groups about this - it just suddenly was implemented.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Feb  6 00:36:12 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:36:12 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A note about the SPAM flags
In-Reply-To: <bvunbh+17ie@eGroups.com>
References: <4022C525.6080605@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <40237C2C.3060.B6FF50@localhost>

On 6 Feb 2004 at 0:32, pengolodh_sc wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Przemyslaw Plaskowicki" wrote:
> [snip]
> > Because:
> [snip]
> > d) As not being an Admin, I possibly does not
> > have enough knowledge about this. Admins, I
> > think, receive more detailed messages about
> > what goes 'under the hood' of lists.
> 
> In this I believe you know as much as the admins.  I am ranked as a 
> mdoerator on another Yahoo!Group, and never received any information 
> from Yahoo!Groups about this - it just suddenly was implemented.

Yep, that's pretty much the experience of every moderator I know - 
that's why I went searching for how to turn it off - it was 
wreaking sudden havoc on one of the groups I moderate.

I do understand why they automatically implemented it - I'm on 
groups where the moderators have all vanished and 95% of the posts 
to those groups are spam now - if they get these filters well, 
they'll be very good for groups like that.

But they could have warned us all - and the current implementation 
seems horribly flawed (I have actually seen worse implementation of 
spam filters on one occasion - a system which wound up excluding 
non-spam and allowing spam posts and for one brief glorious period 
was actually *replacing* non-spam messages with the last 
distributed spam method.

It would have been absolutely hillarious - if I hadn't been in 
overall charge of the team that developed the filter (No, I was 
*not* directly involved - but they were technically speaking under 
my supervision).




Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb  6 08:44:46 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:44:46 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A note about the SPAM flags
References: <bvunbh+17ie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c3ec8d$79369530$bcde6251@kathryn>


Christian Stub

In this I believe you know as much as the admins.  I am ranked as a
mdoerator on another Yahoo!Group, and never received any information
from Yahoo!Groups about this - it just suddenly was implemented.

K

Well you know telling people anything would take all the fun out of it. Does
anyone else suspect Yahoo is run by someone who treats it like a big
experiment - with us as the rats in the maze?

K





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Feb  6 01:23:45 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:23:45 -0000
Subject: John Kerry Falls Victim to Friendly Fire - in 1971!
Message-ID: <bvuqb1+q28e@eGroups.com>

Since we're opening presidential electoral discussion on this site, 
here's something that some of you may find interesting: 

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/kerry_faq.html

  - CMC (one of the few, if not the only, OT-Chatter member 
employed  - albeit part-time - at a Presidential landmark)

http://www.presidentbenjaminharrison.org/




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 03:20:57 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:20:57 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
Message-ID: <bvv16p+dmec@eGroups.com>

Well, here it is, February 5th and less than one month until the 
World Book Day Online festival.  Which you can read about here:

http://www.bloomsbury.com/Childrens/news.asp?id=185


JKR is going to do what she hasn't done for literally years.  She's 
going to participate in a live web chat!  

 This is our chance to get mysteries solved that have been bugging 
some of us for years. We have got to be on that chat in force so that 
at least some of us will be able to get through! 

We will be the ones who aren't asking stupid questions like "Is it 
true that you wrote the first book on napkins in a local cafe?" 
or "How's your new baby?"

I know I said all this once before a couple months ago, but it is now 
way closer to the event, so I thought I'd bring this list out and 
keep it out this time.

 I've been trying to find out what needs to be done, and what I know 
so far is that the chat will be March 4th, 10 A.M. to 11 A.M.  I'm 
assuming that's British time.  Forgive me, but I haven't yet looked 
up what the time difference is between there and the states (and any 
other relevent places) but I'm thinking it will be sometime in the 
wee hours of the morning for those of us in the US.

I thought, in the meantime, maybe we could think of some more good 
questions to ask. The thing is, if we ask stuff like "Is Dumbledore 
going to die?" or "Will Harry and Ginny hook up?" she won't answer, 
and we need to keep that in mind. We should take this as an 
opportunity to ask the little questions that have been niggling us, 
not the big burning ones that are gonna get answered in the end 
anyway.

 I'll be keeping track of these, so hopefully by March we'll have a 
big long list of good questions that will clarify the way the WW 
works for us.

Here are the ones I've collected so far, I've organized them into 
categories:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**Lupin**

In PoA, Lupin had a bag with Professor R. J. Lupin stamped on it in 
peeling letters.  Where was he a professor before Hogwarts and what 
does his middle initial stand for? 

Where does Lupin live at the end of GoF when Dumbledore tells Sirius 
to "lie low at Lupin's"?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**The Weasleys**

How old are Mr. and Mrs. Weasley?

How old are Bill and Charlie?

Any chance that Arthur Weasley was a victim of the Imperius curse 
during You-Know-Who's first rise to power?

Ron got his leg broken in PoA.  Which leg was it, and does he have a 
scar there now?

How exactly did Scabbers attach himself to young Percy? 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**Harry's past**

Do the colour of Harry's eyes matter specifically, or is it just the 
fact that Lily and Harry have the "same eyes" that matters?

Is Godric's Hollow in Wales?

What house (or houses) were James, Sirius, Lupin, and Peter in?

Any chance that Petunia was a squib or that her and Lily's parents,  
Mr. and Mrs. Evans, were squibs?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**Dumbledore**

Does Dumbledore actually *like* Cockroach Clusters? 

How did Dumbledore know what made Voldemort stop possessing Harry?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**How the WW Works**

Do "evanesco" and "scourgify" make things cease to exist or just go 
somewhere else?

Are the Pensieve's memories totally objective like a video camera?

How do children from Wizarding families learn reading and writing and 
math before they get to Hogwarts?

Why do some people make a loud "crack" when they disapparate, and 
other people make only small "pop"s?

If no one can apparate or disapparate inside Hogwarts, what is it 
that Dobby and Fawkes do when they disappear?

Are there limits to how far a wizard can be transported by apparating 
or portkeys? If so, what are the limits?

Could Arabella Figg, as a squib, actually see the dementors as she 
said at Harry's hearing, or not?

The Put-Outer is used at the Dursleys' and at Grimmauld Place.  Does 
it confer some sort of magical protection besides the cover of 
darkness for these important hideouts?

We've seen in OoP that portkeys do work inside Hogwarts.  So how come 
Crouch Jr. had to get Harry into the Triwizard Tournament and wait 
for the third task before sending Harry to Voldemort?  Couldn't he 
just have turned anything in the castle into a  Portkey at any time?

Are long fingers a sign of magical power?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**Other people**

Blaise Zabini: boy or girl?

Will we ever find out who Florence was that the pensieve memory of 
Bertha Jorkins mentioned in the 4th book, or who she was kissing?

Will Mark Evans (the ten-year-old Dudley beat up at the beginning of 
OoP) show up in the next books at all?

Is Andromeda Tonks still alive?

Did Stan Shunpike (from the knight bus) go to Hogwarts?

Who is the Slytherin boy who saw the thestrals?

Whatever happened to Karkaroff? 

Will Harry ever meet Professor Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth?

Will there ever be a "good Slytherin"?

When Hagrid was expelled and became the gamekeeper at Hogwarts, was 
he the gamekeeper immediately at age 13?  Or was he apprenticed to 
the former gamekeeper for a while?  And if so, how long?

Was Minerva McGonagall at school with Tom Riddle?

Did Tom Riddle ever date, or was he too busy learning the Dark Arts?

What house was Moaning Myrtle in when she was alive?

I was sad about Sirius, but overall not too impressed with You-Know-
Who in Order of the Phoenix.  Is he going to get scarier in the next 
two books?  (please, please!)

Who is Arabella Figg related to in the wizarding world?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**Other stuff**

Fans have found ways to anagram many of the names currently in Harry 
Potter.  Are there any more names in the series that are intentional 
anagrams of anything?

In GoF, did Fudge say "I've heard of a curse scar acting as an alarm 
bell before," as per the British version, or should it have 
been, "I've never heard of a curse scar acting as an alarm bell 
before," as in the American edition?

What's up with all the socks?

Why all the bad teeth?  At last count, Snape, Sirius, and Karkaroff 
all had yellow teeth, and now Hagrid's gotten some teeth knocked out 
by Grawp. Has the wizarding world never heard of dentists?

In CoS, Nearly Headless Nick is celebrating his 500th death day.  But 
in Philosopher's Stone, he tells Harry he hasn't eaten in "nearly 
four hundred years".  Is this a mistake or could he somehow eat for 
one hundred years after he died?

Was it your intention for fans to be able to work out a timeline of 
the series like the one on the DVD of Chamber of Secrets, or did you 
think of the series as more timeless when you began it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**Snape**

Will Harry, Ron, and Hermione ever meet (or have they already met) a 
vampire?

Are the Snapes an old wizarding family like the Blacks and Malfoys?

Are Professor Snape's parents still alive?  




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Feb  6 10:18:20 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:18:20 -0000
Subject: A note about the SPAM flags
In-Reply-To: <40237C2C.3060.B6FF50@localhost>
Message-ID: <bvvplc+oikd@eGroups.com>

Shaun wrote:

> It would have been absolutely hillarious - if I hadn't been in 
> overall charge of the team that developed the filter (No, I was 
> *not* directly involved - but they were technically speaking under 
> my supervision).

An example of the maxim that the worse the experience, the better it 
is on your CV and the better the stories you have for your old age.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Feb  6 10:31:42 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:31:42 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <bvv16p+dmec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvvqee+kko2@eGroups.com>

Erin wrote:

> Well, here it is, February 5th and less than one month until the 
> World Book Day Online festival.  Which you can read about here:
> 
> http://www.bloomsbury.com/Childrens/news.asp?id=185
> 
> 
> JKR is going to do what she hasn't done for literally years.  
She's 
> going to participate in a live web chat!  

Am I being brainless or were there no actual instructions for 
getting into the chat at that url?

>  I've been trying to find out what needs to be done, and what I 
know 
> so far is that the chat will be March 4th, 10 A.M. to 11 A.M.  I'm 
> assuming that's British time.  Forgive me, but I haven't yet 
looked 
> up what the time difference is between there and the states (and 
any 
> other relevent places) but I'm thinking it will be sometime in the 
> wee hours of the morning for those of us in the US.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

EST: 5 hours behind; Pacific time, 8 hours behind; Australia 8 - 11 
hours ahead (for some reason Sydney and Melbourne seem to observe 
Daylight saving Time but not Perth).
 
> I thought, in the meantime, maybe we could think of some more good 
> questions to ask. The thing is, if we ask stuff like "Is 
Dumbledore 
> going to die?" or "Will Harry and Ginny hook up?" she won't 
answer, 
> and we need to keep that in mind. We should take this as an 
> opportunity to ask the little questions that have been niggling 
us, 
> not the big burning ones that are gonna get answered in the end 
> anyway.

If they have implications that are not obvious, so much the better.  
That's why I asked the Stan Shunpike one - because it plays into 
debates about class in Harry Potter and whether some of the class 
distinctions are unconscious, merely observed, or part of the 
developing themes.  But I don't think it's immediately obvious that 
asking if Stan went to Hogwarts illuminates those issues.

> Why all the bad teeth?  At last count, Snape, Sirius, and 
Karkaroff 
> all had yellow teeth, and now Hagrid's gotten some teeth knocked 
out 
> by Grawp. Has the wizarding world never heard of dentists?

Isn't this just a cultural difference between the US and the UK?  
Her answer may well just be 'haven't you read the passages with 
Professor Lockhart in?'  Sirius, Karkaroff and Snape don't have bad 
teeth, they just happen not to be slaves to fashion.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Feb  6 15:21:50 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:21:50 -0000
Subject: A definition please
In-Reply-To: <bvs2ku+b7t2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c00bee+2ulv@eGroups.com>

Coming late to this...

Sue wrote:
> > What is septology?  I have searched my 
> > dictionary here and on line and can find no listing.  Is it 
perhaps 
> a 
> > reference to the series of 7 books?  Thanks for the help!

> Erin:
> 
> Yes, that is exactly what it is, like a trilogy, only there are 7 
> books.  The word comes the book "Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the 
> Mysteries of Harry Potter" by Galadriel Waters

There's a reason it's not in the dictionary, as a series of 7 books 
should be called a heptology, not a septology (actually, it's 
perhaps best called 'a series of 7 books').  -ology is Greek; sept- 
is Latin, and the corresponding Greek is hept- as in heptagon and 
heptameter.  It's as bad as 'television'.

David




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 16:28:47 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:28:47 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <bvvqee+kko2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c00fbv+5lnm@eGroups.com>

 http://www.bloomsbury.com/Childrens/news.asp?id=185
 
David:
 Am I being brainless or were there no actual instructions for 
 getting into the chat at that url?

Erin:
Yeah, that was a bit worrying to me also.  I was hoping that when the 
time comes, they might just have a big button that says "Chat". Here 
is the actual url where it will take place.  I'm thinking about 
emailing and asking for more instructions on how to participate.  

http://www.worldbookdayfestival.com/


David:
 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
 
> EST: 5 hours behind; Pacific time, 8 hours behind; Australia 8 - 11 
> hours ahead (for some reason Sydney and Melbourne seem to observe 
> Daylight saving Time but not Perth).


Erin:
Okay, so it will be 5 in the morning for those in EST, 4 in the 
morning for me in central time (hey, at least I won't be skipping 
work).  Thanks for the addy, David! 


A Question from the list:
 Why all the bad teeth?  At last count, Snape, Sirius, and 
 Karkaroff all had yellow teeth, and now Hagrid's gotten some teeth 
knocked out by Grawp. Has the wizarding world never heard of dentists?

David: 
> Isn't this just a cultural difference between the US and the UK?  
> Her answer may well just be 'haven't you read the passages with 
> Professor Lockhart in?'  Sirius, Karkaroff and Snape don't have bad 
> teeth, they just happen not to be slaves to fashion.


Erin:
Well, that's what I thought was possibly the answer, but then I 
thought that it might be insulting to the British people here to say 
that. :-)    Anyway, I do think JKR considers them bad, Snape's at 
least.  They're often mentioned in conjunction with the greasy hair. 

I personally don't consider having good personal hygiene being a 
slave to fashion.  It's often suggested that Snape's poor hygiene is 
a form of self-loathing.  Or possibly a clue to vampirism (for yellow 
and jagged, translate bloodstained and pointy, lol)  I for one would 
like to know.

But nothing says that you have to ask that question, if you choose to 
try and participate in the chat.  I was really thinking that people 
could copy and paste the questions they like from the list onto 
documents on their own computer, and then on March 4th they'd have 
them there for guidance as they tried to get in the chat.  If no one 
likes or chooses to ask a question except the person who originally 
put it on the list, then its chances of being asked and answered go 
way down.  

Erin






From Ali at zymurgy.org  Fri Feb  6 17:15:01 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:15:01 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c00fbv+5lnm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c00i2l+cuj1@eGroups.com>

   
 David:

>>>  Am I being brainless or were there no actual instructions for 
  getting into the chat at that url?<<<
 
 Erin:
 >>>Yeah, that was a bit worrying to me also.  I was hoping that 
when the time comes, they might just have a big button that 
says "Chat". Here is the actual url where it will take place.  I'm 
thinking about emailing and asking for more instructions on how to 
participate. <<< 

Ali replies: 

<<<I don't want to be a damp squib here, but I have a feeling that 
the event was designed so that the questions would be asked by 
British school children. I think that they were going to do this by 
making the chat only available to computers on the library network 
wso that children would have to visit the library to be able to ask 
questions. Of course, that doesn't mean your questions are 
pointless, because there are several Brits on this list who could no 
doubt haul their kids off to the library for that purpose - one of 
them is just here!

Was it just 12 questions that JKR was going to answer, or am I 
misremembering the whole thing?

I also think that we should have a set off questions which we post 
off to Bloomsbury in the hope that JKR might answer them, at 
sometime or another. Nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say.

Ali




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 17:54:39 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:54:39 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c00i2l+cuj1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c00kcv+oeek@eGroups.com>


> Ali : 
> 
> <<<I don't want to be a damp squib here, but I have a feeling that 
> the event was designed so that the questions would be asked by 
> British school children. I think that they were going to do this by 
> making the chat only available to computers on the library network 
> wso that children would have to visit the library to be able to ask 
> questions. Of course, that doesn't mean your questions are 
> pointless, because there are several Brits on this list who could 
no  doubt haul their kids off to the library for that purpose - one 
of them is just here!
> 
> Was it just 12 questions that JKR was going to answer, or am I 
> misremembering the whole thing?


Erin:

Misremembering.  There are 12 special questions from British 
schoolchildren that will definitely get answered, but JKR will chat 
for a whole hour and it specifically says that children from all over 
the world will be able to talk to her.  Of course, we aren't 
children, but no one has to know that. ;-)

Erin




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 18:37:02 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:37:02 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c00i2l+cuj1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c00mse+rsca@eGroups.com>


Okay, I just saw a good question over on the main list:

What do you call the non-magical offspring of mixed Muggle/Magic 
unions; Muggles or Squibs?

So I'm adding it.

Ali, I forgot to add in my earlier posts that I think sending the 
questions to Bloosmsbury is a good idea, though I doubt we'll get any 
response.  

Erin




From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Fri Feb  6 20:11:24 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:11:24 -0000
Subject: ADMIN:  Re Viruses / Spam discussions
In-Reply-To: <4022C525.6080605@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <c00sdd+m05v@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone--

Many excellent points have been made in this discussion, and much 
useful advice has been given.  We appreciate everyone's input.

I will echo several things that Pshemekan has stated:

As he said, providing a link to information is best in most all 
circumstances.

Pshemekan is also correct that the Admins have the responsibility to 
issue warnings and we do this with discretion.  His comment that some 
warnings can create more disinformation (along with confusion and 
panic) is quite true.  This reason in particular is why well-meaning 
warnings about viruses and such are not allowed on these groups.

OT-Chatter is not the most appropriate venue for this discussion; 
Feedback is indeed a better place to discuss technical issues:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback/

Please note, Feedback has moderated membership.  This means that a 
list elf must send your membership through.  Before this happens, we 
ask that you read the Ground Rules message sent to you upon joining 
and verify to us at the hebbyelf@ earthlink.net address that you 
agree to those rules.  Once we have your confirmation message, your 
membership can then be sent through.

*If you've applied to join Feedback but have not received the Ground 
Rules message, please let us know at HPforGrownups-owner@ 
yahoogroups.com. 

Regarding the recent implementation by Yahoo of Spam Guard as a 
measure to stop the spamming of groups, our own practice of moderated 
posting in the HPfGU groups takes care of spam posts quite well, so 
that will be our continued method of choice.

As Shaun and Christian have commented, the mods do not get advance 
warning most of the time (we were notified well ahead of time when 
Yahoo removed attachments from posted messages in groups that allowed 
that, though).  We learn about most changes just like everyone else, 
then have to go dig deeper to get more info.  Nice, eh?

We've turned off Spam Guard in all the groups; hopefully this will go 
into effect right away, and any list members who've experienced 
problems in this regard will see those problems cease.

Please, if anyone continues to have difficulties, let us know:  
HPforGrownups-owner@ yahoogroups.com.

Pshemekan:
>> If Admin's needed help they would ask for it -- at least one Admin
Team member know that my skills are always at HP4GU's service. <<

Yes, indeed; our great thanks for this, too, Pshemekan.  It's *very* 
appreciated.  :-)

Thanks also for the link to the article.  A short quote from that 
article, regarding the recent MyDoom virus going around, but 
applicable to other email viruses:
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/technology/05VIRU.html)

"The virus spreads when Internet users ignore a basic rule of 
Internet life: never click on an unknown e-mail attachment. Once 
someone does, MyDoom begins to send itself to the names in that 
person's e-mail address book. If no one opened the attachment, the 
virus's destructive power would never be unleashed."

None of the HPfGU groups allow attachments to be distributed (sent 
through the list to list members); if you send a message to the group 
with an attachment included, it is "stripped" from the message before 
the message goes to the list.  If you receive an email with an HPFGU 
tag in the subject line and this email contains an attachment, it's 
virtually certain that it's a virus-infected message (and was not 
sent through the groups).  Again, do not open the attachment.  Just 
delete the message.  Also make sure to keep your anti-virus programs 
updated, and scan your computer regularly.


--Kelley, for the Admin Team






From joym999 at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 21:26:55 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:26:55 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <bvv16p+dmec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c010qv+i0j8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:
> Here are the ones I've collected so far, I've organized them into 
> categories:
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some of these questions are great, and if we could get answers to 
them from JKR I think we'd all be ecstatic.  Some of them are sort of 
weak, or have obvious answers, and I think it would be a real 
disappointment if one of us actually got to ask JKR a question and 
wasted it:  Some comments on the questions:


> In PoA, Lupin had a bag with Professor R. J. Lupin stamped on it in 
> peeling letters.  Where was he a professor before Hogwarts and what 
> does his middle initial stand for? 
 
This seems obvious to me -- I think that JKR would say that there's 
no reason to think he was a Professor before Hogwarts. He's a wizard, 
remember?  As soon as he got the Hogwarts job, all he had to do is 
point his wand at his bag and say something like "Engravio" and the 
word "Professor" appears in front of his name.

OTOH, I'd love to know what his middle name is.


> Ron got his leg broken in PoA.  Which leg was it, and does he have 
a 
> scar there now?

This would be a wasted question, IMO.  Broken limbs don't usually 
leave scars.  Do you really care whether it was Ron's left or right 
leg?

 
> Is Godric's Hollow in Wales?

Why not just ask "Where is Godric's Hollow," and also "Does 'Godric's 
Hollow' have anything to do with Godric Gryffindor?"
 
 
> Do "evanesco" and "scourgify" make things cease to exist or just go 
> somewhere else?

Great question.  I'd have the same question about some of the charms 
which make things appear.

 
> Are the Pensieve's memories totally objective like a video camera?

How could they be objective - they are the memories of a specific 
person.

> How do children from Wizarding families learn reading and writing 
and 
> math before they get to Hogwarts?
 
Great question.  I've been dying to know this for years.

> Why do some people make a loud "crack" when they disapparate, and 
> other people make only small "pop"s?

I think JKR would just say that different people have different skill 
levels.

> Could Arabella Figg, as a squib, actually see the dementors as she 
> said at Harry's hearing, or not?

You're not implying that she was *lying*, are you!  I would never 
suggest that to JKR!  ;-D


> We've seen in OoP that portkeys do work inside Hogwarts.  So how 
come 
> Crouch Jr. had to get Harry into the Triwizard Tournament and wait 
> for the third task before sending Harry to Voldemort?  Couldn't he 
> just have turned anything in the castle into a  Portkey at any time?

I think that this is one of the many weak plot devices in GOF, and 
I'd be embarassed to ask JKR about it.

> Will Mark Evans (the ten-year-old Dudley beat up at the beginning 
of 
> OoP) show up in the next books at all?

And is he related to Harry, since Lily's maiden name was Evans.

> Will Harry ever meet Professor Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth?

And -- Is the barkeeper in the Hogs Head Aberforth Dumbledore, as 
several HPfGUers believe?

> When Hagrid was expelled and became the gamekeeper at Hogwarts, was 
> he the gamekeeper immediately at age 13?  Or was he apprenticed to 
> the former gamekeeper for a while?  And if so, how long?

Was that former gamekeeper the one named Ogg that Molly Weasley 
remembers?

> Did Tom Riddle ever date, or was he too busy learning the Dark Arts?

I can answer this!  I think it's obvious that he dated Dolores 
Umbridge.

> Fans have found ways to anagram many of the names currently in 
Harry 
> Potter.  Are there any more names in the series that are 
intentional 
> anagrams of anything?

What do you mean, any *more* names that are intentional anagrams?  As 
far as we know, none of them are *intentional* anagrams.

> **Snape**
> 
> Will Harry, Ron, and Hermione ever meet (or have they already met) 
a 
> vampire?

Why not just ask "Is Snape a vampire?"  Oh, and the answer is, 
obviously, YES!

--Joywitch




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb  6 23:57:04 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:57:04 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c00mse+rsca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3ed0c$f746f940$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Okay, I just saw a good question over on the main list:
> 
> What do you call the non-magical offspring of mixed Muggle/Magic
> unions; Muggles or Squibs?
> 
> So I'm adding it.
> 
> Ali, I forgot to add in my earlier posts that I think sending the
> questions to Bloosmsbury is a good idea, though I doubt we'll get any
> response.
> 
> Erin
> 

Iggy here:

Personally, I call them "Squiggles"  *grin*


Iggy McSnurd







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb  6 23:57:04 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:57:04 -0600
Subject: VIRUS WARNING!!!
Message-ID: <000101c3ed0c$fbe11ad0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

If anyone gets an e-mail from: Elene [FUCKENSUICIDE at hotmail.com] 
Especially with the subject line of: Important information for you. Read
it immediately !


DO NOT OPEN IT!  I was sent this e-mail, and my Norton Anti-Virus caught
a virus attached to it and quarantined it for me.

Please also understand that, while I try to adhere to the rules against
vulgarity on the list, I felt it was important to include the source
address.


Iggy McSnurd







From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 00:12:15 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:12:15 -0000
Subject: Crazy Confusing COUSIN THING.
Message-ID: <c01agv+1093e@eGroups.com>

Once again we are discussing Genealogy in the main group.

Personally, and I know I'm not alone in this, I find the whole 1st
cousin, 2nd cousin, once removed, twice removed thing very confusing.

I am going to attempt to give my impression of what it all means, and
hopefully from there, some one can tell me where I'm right or wrong in
a way that doesn't confuse me even more.

First cousin, second cousing, etc...-

This refers to how far out you are on the family tree. My 1st cousin
is tied to the same central branch of the family tree that I am. He is
the son of my father's brother (my uncle). The common intersection of
the family tree is my father's father (my grandfather).

A 2nd cousin has to be one branch farther out but in the same
generation as myself (more on generations later, and I acknowledge
gross generalizations). To get to one branch farther out, we must
start one branch higher up (up meaning older generation, it's an
inverted tree); my grandfather and his brother, and their decendants
have a common intersection at my great grandfather.

So if we go to my Grandfather, then to his brother (my great uncle, my
father's uncle), then follow the tree down until we reach the same
level that I am on, we will find my second cousin; the son of the son
of my father's uncle. (The son of the son=my generation, the son=my
father's generation, my father's uncle=my grandfather's generation; yes?)

Perhaps, simplified; first cousins- we share a common grandfather,
second cousins- we share a common great grandfather, third cousin- a
common great great grandfather. Yes?


Once removed, twice removed-

My interpretation is that this is a generational thing, although,
generational with specific quidelines.

In essense, indicating how many generations removed from me my cousin
is. Remember, these are generations based on location in the family
tree, and not just differences in age. 

So, my best estimate is that my grandfather's brother's (my great
uncle's) son is my father's 1st cousin, and he is my 2nd cousin (one
branch farther out on the family tree) once removed (in that, he is my
father's generation, not mine). 

Now my grandfather's brother's son's son would be my second cousin not
removed since we are in the same generation; that is, at the same
level on the family tree. And I'm assuming my second cousin's son is
again my second cousin once removed; 2nd cousin defines the branch,
once removed defines the generation.

Sirius and Arthur are second cousins once removed (right?). So they
share a common great grandfather, and obviously, Arthur is one
generation removed from Sirius (Sirius' age=35 approx, Arthur's age=70
approx).

So, am I hopelessly lost or what?

If I am completely lost, could someone post a simple comprehendible
correction to my mis-beliefs? ...if that's even possible.

Just a thought, which, keep in mind, is only my best guess.

bboy_mn








From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Sat Feb  7 00:20:18 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:20:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] VIRUS WARNING!!!
In-Reply-To: <000101c3ed0c$fbe11ad0$18667144@Einstein>
References: <000101c3ed0c$fbe11ad0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <40242F42.7080004@ipartner.com.pl>

Iggy McSnurd wrote:

>Iggy here:
>
>If anyone gets an e-mail from: Elene [FUCKENSUICIDE at hotmail.com] 
>Especially with the subject line of: Important information for you. Read
>it immediately !
>
>
>DO NOT OPEN IT!  I was sent this e-mail, and my Norton Anti-Virus caught
>a virus attached to it and quarantined it for me.
>
>Please also understand that, while I try to adhere to the rules against
>vulgarity on the list, I felt it was important to include the source
>address.
>
>  
>
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100980.htm


-- 

Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
Force without wisdom falls of its own weight. (Horace, Odes)





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Sat Feb  7 00:40:00 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:40:00 -0000
Subject: Crazy Confusing COUSIN THING.
In-Reply-To: <c01agv+1093e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c01c50+mi4l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> Once again we are discussing Genealogy in the main group.
> Personally, and I know I'm not alone in this, I find the whole 1st
> cousin, 2nd cousin, once removed, twice removed thing very 
confusing.
> 
(snip)

To simplify (sort of), start with "me." 

My mother/father's siblings are my uncles and aunts. Their children 
are my first cousins, and I am theirs. The children of my first 
cousins are my first cousins, once removed. The grandchildren of my 
first cousins are my first cousins, twice removed, and so on.

My granny/grandpa's siblings are my great-uncles and -aunts, and 
their children (the same generation of my parents) are my second 
cousins. However, to them, I am their first cousin, once removed, 
because I am the child of one of their first cousins. My child would 
be their first cousin, twice removed.

My great-grandparents' siblings would be my great-great-uncles and 
aunts, and their children (same generation as my grandparents) would 
be my third cousins. To them I would be their second cousin, once 
removed, and my child would be their second cousin, twice removed.

Of course this is all moot if you are from certain parts of the 
southern U.S., where it is possible to be your own grandparent.

(Song: "I'm My Own Grandpa" by Homer & Jethro)
Many many years ago when I was twenty three,
I got married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
     
This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her,
And soon the two were wed.
     
This made my dad my son-in-law
And changed my very life.
My daughter was my mother,
For she was my father's wife.
     
To complicate the matters worse,
Although it brought me joy,
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy.
     
My little baby then became
A brother-in-law to dad.
And so became my uncle,
Though it made me very sad.
     
For if he was my uncle,
Then that also made him brother
To the widow's grown-up daughter
Who, of course, was my step-mother.
     
Father's wife then had a son,
Who kept them on the run.
And he became my grandson,
For he was my daughter's son.
     
My wife is now my mother's mother
And it makes me blue.
Because, although she is my wife,
She's my grandmother too.
     
If my wife is my grandmother,
Then I am her grandchild.
And every time I think of it,
It simply drives me wild.
     
For now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw.
As the husband of my grandmother,
I am my own grandpa


Ms. Tattersall
Just as confused as you are




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Feb  7 01:11:12 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:11:12 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] VIRUS WARNING!!!
In-Reply-To: <40242F42.7080004@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <000201c3ed17$49efaa20$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I hit the link, and yep, that's the exact thing I got.

(Hey Przemyslaw... If my anti-virus caught and quarantined it, things
should be safe, yes?  Just wondering if you know something my Norton AV
doesn't.  *grin*)

Iggy McSnurd

> >
> http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100980.htm
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
> Force without wisdom falls of its own weight. (Horace, Odes)
> 
> 






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 01:38:03 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:38:03 -0000
Subject: NEW CANON- Teeth and Transport
In-Reply-To: <bvv16p+dmec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c01fhr+e2ok@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:
>
> ...GMS... (...Great Merciless Snip...)
>
> > > > >
Why all the bad teeth? At last count, Snape, Sirius, and Karkaroff
all had yellow teeth, and now Hagrid's gotten some teeth knocked out
by Grawp. Has the wizarding world never heard of dentists?
> > > > >

The British don't put Fluoride in their water, so they are notorious
for having bad teeth. Apparently, like some Americans, they are
convinced fluoride a great government conspiracy to poison them all,
even though the discovery of the connection between good teeth and
fluoride was done in France when a connection was made between
naturally occurring fluoride in well water and good teeth. 


When asking question, it's great to think of all the answers we would
like to know, but the odds of getting an answer to those questions are
slim to none. It's much better to try and think of question JKR would
be likely to answer.

Also, given the many many many many etc... people who will likely be
on-line for this, I suspect there will be equally many many many
people screening the in-coming chat messages and only relaying
messages they think are significant to JKR. Therefore, asking a
question that is NOT likely to get answered, very much means, it is a
question that is not likely to get asked. Also, it helps to be cute.


Things I would like JKR to answer, but don't see much chance of the
question ever being posed to her.


Brooms, Portkeys, Apparation, Floo Network, Owls, and Thestrals -
what's up with that?

I would like to know more about the nature and limits of the various
forms of transportation in the magic world.


How fast is the fastest broom?

Harry's Firebolt will go from 0 to 150 in ten seconds, Ron's
Cleansweep will go from 0 to 70 in ten seconds, but that is
acceleration in a fixed period of time; I want to know what the TOP
SPEED of the fastest broom is. I suspect it's currently drag limited
to about 250mph.


Typically, what is the greatest distance a person can Apparate?

JKR said in an interview that Apparation gets harder as the distance
gets longer. So what is the typically limit? About 500 miles seems to
be the limit we have seen so far. Devon, the Burrow, to London is
about 150 miles, so we know that can be done. There are some
implications that London to Hogsmeade can be done; that's just under
500 miles.

So can you go London to Paris? ...London to Rome? ...London to
Istanbul? ...London to Bombay?


Tell me more about Portkeys?

I had a theory that the reason Portkeys are so tightly controlled is
because it is a dangerous spell to perform, get it wrong, and the
result could be just as disastrous as improperly apparating. I would
like JKR to confirm that I am right.

Also, what are the limits on Portkeys? Can you portkey from China to
England? Apparently, if I remember the World Cup episode correctly,
you can portkey from the Black Forest in Germany to the World Cup
which appeared to be in Scotland somewhere.

Over great distances, you might make a multi-layered portkey where
maximum distances are traversed in automatic leaps; Peking to Tibet,
Tibet to Russia, Russia to Ukraine, Ukraine to France, France to
England. ...confirm or deny?

So, what's up with that?


What are the limits of the Floo Network?

Is it strictly in Britain, or does it extend to the nearest neighbors
is Europe (France, Germany, Spain)? Can you Floo to China? ...North
America?


Next, applying to Floo, Portkey, and Apparation, how long does it take
to cover distance?

For example, does the traveler perceive 1 seconds travel time for
every 100 miles traveled? That would make travel from London to
Scotland seem to take place in 5 seconds. 

Personally, I think it's more like 1 second perceived for every 20
miles traveled. That would make the flight to the Quidditch World Cup
about 30 seconds long. (Burrow to London=7.5 seconds)



Do Owls and Thestrals travel my magic?

Given the flight speed of a typical muggle non-enchanted owl, Owl Post
seems to be very very fast. On some occasions, I seems almost instant.
So, are Post Owls just owls, or as I suspect, are they enchanted owls?
Owls with magical capabilities that allow them to travel great
distances in a extremely short periods of time.


We are reasonably safe in assuming that Hogwarts is in the Highlands
of Scotland. From that general location to London is just under 500
miles, and the OotP rescue mission to the Ministry of Magic appeared
to reach their destination in short order. Given that and the
description in the book, I have to suspect that magic is involved in
the Thestral's ability to fly.

Not just magic that allows them to fly fast, because the required
speed would have been too excessive for their passengers to endure. If
the flight to London took and hour and a half, that is a speed of
about 325 miles per hour. It would be extremely difficult for an
unprotected person to endure that high speed in the open. 

I've been on a motorcycle at sustained speeds of over 100 mph over
long distances (no jacket, no helmet, no gloves, no windscreen), the
force of the wind and the wind chill effect are substantial, very
substantial. The full force of three times that would have been
excessive. Hurricane and tonado windspeeds just in excess of 100mph
are enough to uproot trees and blow over buildings. Three hundred
miles per hour would make it next to impossible to stay on the
Thestral's back. 

So I conclude that the free flight of the Thestrals allows for some
type of Star Trek-like magic movement through time and space that is
not proportional to the apparent required speed. In an old discussion
on this subject, some one suggested warp jumps, implying that for a
quarter of a second the Thestrals fly in real-time and for the next
quarter of a second they are at warp/magic speed. By combining Magic
warp and real-time flight, you get the perception of flying at 50 mph
while actually covering ground at 500 mph. 

Just a few think I would like JKR to clear up.

bboy_mn









From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Feb  7 02:09:22 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:09:22 -0600
Subject: A Fun New TWS
Message-ID: <000301c3ed1f$69dfce70$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Here's a fun, new TWS (Time Waster Site) for all of you.

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/oracle/star_links.html

It links actors to other actors a'la the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon"
game.


(Sorry TCY... had to do it... *grin*)


Iggy McSnurd







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 01:56:29 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:56:29 -0000
Subject: Crazy Confusing COUSIN THING.
In-Reply-To: <c01c50+mi4l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c01gkd+6rtl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mstattersall" <cwood at t...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> > Once again we are discussing Genealogy in the main group.
> > Personally, and I know I'm not alone in this, I find the whole 1st
> > cousin, 2nd cousin, once removed, twice removed thing very 
> confusing.
> > 
> (snip)

Ms Tattersall:
> To simplify (sort of), start with "me." 
> 
<snip>
> My granny/grandpa's siblings are my great-uncles and -aunts, and 
> their children (the same generation of my parents) are my second 
> cousins. However, to them, I am their first cousin, once removed, 
> because I am the child of one of their first cousins. My child would 
> be their first cousin, twice removed.

Annemehr:
Something's wrong here, because if you're someone's first cousing once
removed, they are also your first cousin once removed.  The name
doesn't change depending on which direction you're looking.

The way I learned it all was through a diagram.  I'll try to make one
here.  Okay, at the top you have a pair of siblings, and each
successive line below represents the next generation.  For simplicity,
all spouses are left out and everyone after the first generation is an
only child:

Sibling --------- Sibling
First cousin ---- First cousin
Second cousin --- Second cousin
Third cousin ---- Third cousin
Fourth cousin --- Fourth cousin
Fifth cousin ---- Fifth cousin

Sorry this is not formatted like a geneology, but on webview the
formatting gets messed up, so best to keep it simple as possible.

Think of the chart as a ladder.  If two people are in the same
generation, they are on the same rung and not "removed" at all.  So,
those are the First Cousins, Second Cousins, etc.

If two people are on different rungs, you name the relationship after
the rung of the highest cousin, and the number of rungs apart they are
is how many times removed they are.

So, here's a chart with names, so I can give examples:

Fred --------- George
Fiona -------- Geoff
Frank -------- Gwen
Felicity ----- Gerald
Festus ------- Gilda

Fred and George Weasley apparently have survived VWII and reproduced:
 Fred had a daughter Fiona who had a son Frank who had a daughter
Felicity, etc., and likewise for George.

Fiona and Geoff are first cousins, obviously.  Felicity and Gerald are
three generations from Fred and George and on the same "rung"
together, so they are third cousins.

Now let's look at uneven generations.  So what are Frank and Gilda to
each other?  First you count down the generations from Fred and George
to the highest of Frank and Gilda: that would be Frank, two
generations down, so Second Cousins.  But Frank and Gilda are on
separate generations, so, how many times removed?  Count the
generations to get from Frank to Gilda: two, so Twice Removed.  So
Frank and Gilda are Second Cousins Twice Removed.

In the same way, Festus and Geoff are First Cousins Thrice Removed. 
And the relationship works both ways, i.e. Festus is Geoff's first
cousin, thrice removed, and Geoff is Festus' first cousin thrice removed.

That's how I learned it, but the picture was better, with pen and paper!

By the way, I think bboy_mn got it right, but I'll admit I got a
little lost...

Annemehr





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Sat Feb  7 03:17:32 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 03:17:32 -0000
Subject: Crazy Confusing COUSIN THING.
In-Reply-To: <c01gkd+6rtl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c01lcc+580k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> Annemehr:
> Something's wrong here, because if you're someone's first cousing 
once
> removed, they are also your first cousin once removed.  The name
> doesn't change depending on which direction you're looking.
> 

You are correct. Here's a link to a page that 'splains it very well:

http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/16_cousn.html?Welcome=1076123495

I was confused because I thought I was my own grandpa. But it *has* 
been a difficult week.

Ms. Tattersall
native of the South but
not a kisser of cousins




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 05:28:09 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 05:28:09 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c010qv+i0j8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c01t19+v44k@eGroups.com>

Joywitch said: 
> Some of these questions are great, and if we could get answers to 
> them from JKR I think we'd all be ecstatic.  Some of them are sort 
of weak, or have obvious answers, and I think it would be a real 
disappointment if one of us actually got to ask JKR a question and 
wasted it.

Erin answers:
I share your reservations about a few of the questions.  I didn't 
make them all up myself, but collected them from this list a couple 
months ago and from things I'd seen people ask on the main list.

 The only criteria for the list is that it 1.) not be stuff that is 
already answered in the books or another interview, and 2.) not be 
something that I believe JKR would refuse to answer on the grounds 
that it would give away too much of the plot for future books.  You 
know what I'm talking about here if you've ever read any of the 
interviews.  So no asking "Is Harry going to die?"  because that is 
just a total waste of a question.  

Several of the questions are designed to get at these answers, but 
they have to be phrased carefully, so as not to get the "sorry, no 
answer" response.

You'll also notice that I said "I believe".  That's because I'm 
keeping this list, but if you want something phrased differently or 
whatever, feel free to make your own list by cutting and pasting from 
this one the questions that interest you.  But I reserve the right to 
keep your question off "my" list if I think it too obvious or 
whatever. 

I know not everyone is going to be thrilled by or interested in every 
question on the list, especially as it (hopefully) gets longer this 
next month (don't worry, I only plan to post the entire thing twice 
more, once 2 weeks from now and once right before the chat).  There's 
no need to ask a question you don't like, and the less people asking 
a question, the fewer chances it has to get on the chat, see?  But 
the question you think of as stupid and obscure might matter very 
much to someone else, might in fact be the meat and potatoes of their 
own personal Harry Potter theory, so as long as it meets the criteria 
I won't exclude it.


A Question: 
 In PoA, Lupin had a bag with Professor R. J. Lupin stamped on it in 
peeling letters.  Where was he a professor before Hogwarts and what  
does his middle initial stand for? 

Joywitch comments:  
> This seems obvious to me -- I think that JKR would say that there's 
> no reason to think he was a Professor before Hogwarts. He's a 
wizard, remember?  As soon as he got the Hogwarts job, all he had to 
do is  point his wand at his bag and say something like "Engravio" 
and the  word "Professor" appears in front of his name.
> 
> OTOH, I'd love to know what his middle name is.

Erin answers:
See now, you liked that question after all :-)   The thing with the 
letters is that they are old and peeling, so obviously he's had them 
on there for awhile, suggesting that he'd taught elsewhere.  And even 
if she tells us he hasn't, that is also knowledge we formerly didn't 
have.


Question and Joywitch comment:
 Ron got his leg broken in PoA.  Which leg was it, and does he have 
 a scar there now?
> 
> This would be a wasted question, IMO.  Broken limbs don't usually 
> leave scars.  Do you really care whether it was Ron's left or right 
> leg?

Erin answers:
Ah, that question is a sly one from the "Is Ron Dumbledore via the 
Timeturner" people.  If she answers "left knee", and says there *is* 
a scar, then we can start wondering if it looks like a map of the 
London Underground, you see? :-)   


Question and Joywitch comment:  
> > Is Godric's Hollow in Wales?
> 
> Why not just ask "Where is Godric's Hollow," and 
also "Does 'Godric's Hollow' have anything to do with Godric 
Gryffindor?"

Erin answers:
Okay, you're right about that one.  I got it wholesale from the list 
and didn't really think about it much.  It shall be changed to "Where 
is Godric's Hollow located?" instead.

  As for whether it is related to Godric Gryffindor, she has already 
been asked that in an interview, and said something like "you spotted 
that, did you?" and then declined to say anything more.  So it would 
be a waste of a question to repeat it.


Question and Joywitch comment:  
> > Do "evanesco" and "scourgify" make things cease to exist or just 
go somewhere else?
> 
> Great question.  I'd have the same question about some of the 
charms  which make things appear.

Erin answers:
Yay, another question! Which charms?  Write out the question for me 
and I will put it on the list.



Question and Joywitch comment:  
> > Are the Pensieve's memories totally objective like a video camera?
> 
> How could they be objective - they are the memories of a specific 
> person.

Erin:
Ah, come on, Joywitch, I know you haven't been *that* out of it.  
People have been arguing this one on the list for 7 months now.  One 
of the theories is that the Pensieve uses the memory as a small, 
selective timeturner to transport the viewer back to the specific 
incident.  Surely you notice in the Pensieve chapters that Harry 
seems to have seen things (such as what James was drawing, 
conversations in a crowded, noisy hallway) that it would have been 
difficult for the person whose memory it was to have been aware of at 
the time.  I'm not going to go into all the other theories now, but 
suffice it to say that this *is* a hotly contested subject, and a 
perfectly valid question IMO.


Question and Joywitch comment:
> > Why do some people make a loud "crack" when they disapparate, and 
> > other people make only small "pop"s?
> 
> I think JKR would just say that different people have different 
skill levels.

Erin says somewhat archly:
Well, what you think JKR might say and what she actually says aren't 
necessarily the same thing, you know.   Someone else might think it 
perfectly obvious that she'd say it depends on the distance 
involved.  Or other various factors.  I've seen this one discussed on 
the list as well.

Question and Joywitch comment: 
> > Could Arabella Figg, as a squib, actually see the dementors as 
she said at Harry's hearing, or not?

 You're not implying that she was *lying*, are you!  I would never 
 suggest that to JKR!  ;-D

Erin:
You know, I was surprised that there were people on the list who 
actually thought she was telling the truth!  It's perfectly obvious 
to me that she was lying, now I just need to get it spelled out for 
these dunderheads....just joking.  Really.  But it would be nice not 
to have to argue about it any more.
 

Question and Joywitch comment:
> > We've seen in OoP that portkeys do work inside Hogwarts.  So how 
come Crouch Jr. had to get Harry into the Triwizard Tournament and 
wait for the third task before sending Harry to Voldemort?  Couldn't 
he just have turned anything in the castle into a  Portkey at any 
time?

 I think that this is one of the many weak plot devices in GOF, and 
 I'd be embarassed to ask JKR about it.

Erin answers:
Well, maybe so.  Maybe so.  And yet, it's such an obvious plot 
hole... I mean the whole freakin' *book* is written around it and 
we're supposed to believe it never even crossed her mind?  I'm 
personally hoping she'll come out with a brillant explanation that 
will put us all to shame for having doubted her in the first place.  
Yeah, that's it.  We're just not giving her enough credit!  

What I tell myself now is that you can only use portkeys from 
Dumbledore's office, the rest of the school and grounds are 
protected, and the protection had been lifted from the maze to allow 
the champions who could to apparate or whatever.

But anyway, no one is making you ask it.  *I* intend to.


Question and Joywitch comment:
 Will Mark Evans (the ten-year-old Dudley beat up at the beginning 
 of OoP) show up in the next books at all?
 
And is he related to Harry, since Lily's maiden name was Evans.

Erin answers:
That was actually the question I was trying to *avoid* asking, as I 
thought it would be one she'd refuse to answer on grounds that it 
spoils the plot of future books if the answer is yes.   


Question and Joywitch comment: 
> > Will Harry ever meet Professor Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth?
> 
> And -- Is the barkeeper in the Hogs Head Aberforth Dumbledore, as 
> several HPfGUers believe?

Erin answers:
Again, it's a roundabout way of asking the same thing.  Hopefully, 
with it phrased this way, we stand a chance of getting an answer.

Question and Joywitch comment: 
> > When Hagrid was expelled and became the gamekeeper at Hogwarts, 
was he the gamekeeper immediately at age 13?  Or was he apprenticed 
to the former gamekeeper for a while?  And if so, how long?

 Was that former gamekeeper the one named Ogg that Molly Weasley 
 remembers?

Erin answers:
I would think so, since Molly specifically say Ogg was "before" 
Hagrid, which I took to mean right before.  If you like, I can reword 
it to include Ogg.  How about:

When Hagrid was expelled and became the gamekeeper at Hogwarts, was 
he the gamekeeper immediately at age 13?  Or was he apprenticed to 
the former gamekeeper, Ogg, for a while?  And if so, how long?


Question and Joywitch comment: 
> > Did Tom Riddle ever date, or was he too busy learning the Dark 
Arts?
> 
> I can answer this!  I think it's obvious that he dated Dolores 
> Umbridge.

Erin:
Lol, oh, I hope so!


Question and Joywitch comment:
 Fans have found ways to anagram many of the names currently in 
> Harry Potter.  Are there any more names in the series that are 
> intentional anagrams of anything?
> 
> What do you mean, any *more* names that are intentional anagrams?  
As far as we know, none of them are *intentional* anagrams.

Erin, mouth hanging open in shock, stammers:
Um.... riiiight.  Well, Tom Marvolo Riddle springs to mind, but then, 
maybe that's just me....



Question and Joywitch comment:
 Will Harry, Ron, and Hermione ever meet (or have they already met) a 
vampire?
 
 Why not just ask "Is Snape a vampire?"  Oh, and the answer is, 
 obviously, YES!

Erin:
Once again, too darn obvious.  Not to mention that poor Pippin would 
probably have a nervous breakdown if the answer was no. :-D


Hope that answered some of your questions.  I look forward to the 
charms query.

Erin






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Feb  7 05:33:39 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:33:39 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c01t19+v44k@eGroups.com>
References: <c010qv+i0j8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40251363.15211.257BAB@localhost>

On 7 Feb 2004 at 5:28, Erin wrote:

> Question and Joywitch comment:
>  Fans have found ways to anagram many of the names currently in 
> > Harry Potter.  Are there any more names in the series that are 
> > intentional anagrams of anything?
> > 
> > What do you mean, any *more* names that are intentional anagrams?  
> As far as we know, none of them are *intentional* anagrams.
> 
> Erin, mouth hanging open in shock, stammers:
> Um.... riiiight.  Well, Tom Marvolo Riddle springs to mind, but then, 
> maybe that's just me....

That threw me for a second - but I think what Joywitch has noticed 
is that the question as written could imply an assumption that the 
fans have found intentional anagrams (beyond TMR=IALR) - and that 
the question is asking JKR if there any anagrams that the fans have 
missed.

I think it should be rephrased to something like: "Fans have found 
ways to anagram many of the names currently in Harry Potter.  Are 
there any more names in the series that are intentional anagrams of 
anything beyond the example seen in Chamber of Secrets?"

  



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 05:43:25 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 05:43:25 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <40251363.15211.257BAB@localhost>
Message-ID: <c01ttt+ti0f@eGroups.com>

 "Shaun Hately":  

I think what Joywitch has noticed 
> is that the question as written could imply an assumption that the 
> fans have found intentional anagrams (beyond TMR=IALR) - and that 
> the question is asking JKR if there any anagrams that the fans have 
> missed.
> 
> I think it should be rephrased to something like: "Fans have found 
> ways to anagram many of the names currently in Harry Potter.  Are 
> there any more names in the series that are intentional anagrams of 
> anything beyond the example seen in Chamber of Secrets?"
> 


Erin:

Point taken, and if this is the case, I apologize to Joywitch for 
doubting her.  I will revise the question.  Thanks, Shaun.

Erin




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 07:16:20 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:16:20 -0000
Subject: NEW CANON- Teeth and Transport
In-Reply-To: <c01fhr+e2ok@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c023c4+daht@eGroups.com>


Steve wrote:
The British don't put Fluoride in their water, so they are notorious
for having bad teeth. Apparently, like some Americans, they are
convinced fluoride a great government conspiracy to poison them all,
even though the discovery of the connection between good teeth and
fluoride was done in France when a connection was made between
naturally occurring fluoride in well water and good teeth.

Erin replies:
Gaaah! No one likes that question except me! Well, I don't care.
It's my question, I'm keeping it on there, and I'm asking it. None
of the rest of you have to. So neener neener neener.

I refuse to believe that JKR takes the bad teeth for granted. If she
did, she wouldn't even mention them, they'd just be... taken for
granted and not mentioned. And even if she actually somehow did end
up answering the question (a miniscule chance) and said that she
hadn't thought about it much before, well, possibly it would wake
her up to the fact that her American fans do consider it unusual and
horrible and make her think twice before saddling another character
with them. And that would make it worthwhile in my book.

Steve:
> When asking questions, it's great to think of all the answers we
would like to know, but the odds of getting an answer to those
questions are slim to none. It's much better to try and think of
question JKR would be likely to answer.

Also, given the many many many many etc... people who will likely be
> on-line for this, I suspect there will be equally many many many
> people screening the in-coming chat messages and only relaying
> messages they think are significant to JKR. Therefore, asking a
> question that is NOT likely to get answered, very much means, it is
a question that is not likely to get asked. Also, it helps to be cute.

Erin:
I don't know about the screening thing. I have participated in chats
before, several times to talk with the people who designed the
popular computer game The Sims (or I should say "tried" to
participate; none of my questions actually made it on). Those were
big chats, I remember at one point they mentioned 9,000 people trying
to ask a question at once. And they don't screen at all, instead it
seems to be more a system like calling in on a radio show, whichever
one they happen to pick up on is the one that goes on there. Quite a
few times they get stupid questions like, "when is this chat over?"
or stuff that was just asked a few minutes ago.

And having seen the past interviews/chats JKR has done, there are 
several questions on there that strike me as not having been screened 
at all.

I have been trying to phrase the questions in ways that I think JKR 
would be more likely to answer them.  I'm not sure exactly what you 
mean by being cute in the context of a web chat.  Like spell stuff 
wrong, or what?  I'm open to anything that will give us a better 
chance.


Steve:
> Things I would like JKR to answer, but don't see much chance of the
> question ever being posed to her.
>
> Brooms, Portkeys, Apparation, Floo Network, Owls, and Thestrals -
> what's up with that?


Erin:
Sorry, but I don't quite get what you're asking, specifically.
Clarify it for me and I'll put it on the list. Do you mean why so
many different types of transport? Or why non-mechanical ones?


Steve:
> How fast is the fastest broom?
>
> Harry's Firebolt will go from 0 to 150 in ten seconds, Ron's
> Cleansweep will go from 0 to 70 in ten seconds, but that is
> acceleration in a fixed period of time; I want to know what the TOP
> SPEED of the fastest broom is. I suspect it's currently drag limited
> to about 250mph.

Erin:
I'll put it on there as: What is the top speed of the fastest broom?


Steve:
> Typically, what is the greatest distance a person can Apparate?
>
> JKR said in an interview that Apparation gets harder as the distance
> gets longer. So what is the typically limit? About 500 miles seems
to be the limit we have seen so far. Devon, the Burrow, to London is
> about 150 miles, so we know that can be done. There are some
> implications that London to Hogsmeade can be done; that's just under
> 500 miles.
>
> So can you go London to Paris? ...London to Rome? ...London to
> Istanbul? ...London to Bombay?

Erin:
I have one question on there already (inspired by you, I believe)
that says:

Are there limits to how far a wizard can be transported by apparating
or portkeys? If so, what are the limits?


Steve:
> Tell me more about Portkeys?
>
> I had a theory that the reason Portkeys are so tightly controlled is
> because it is a dangerous spell to perform, get it wrong, and the
> result could be just as disastrous as improperly apparating. I would
> like JKR to confirm that I am right.
>
> Also, what are the limits on Portkeys? Can you portkey from China to
> England? Apparently, if I remember the World Cup episode correctly,
> you can portkey from the Black Forest in Germany to the World Cup
> which appeared to be in Scotland somewhere.
>
> Over great distances, you might make a multi-layered portkey where
> maximum distances are traversed in automatic leaps; Peking to Tibet,
> Tibet to Russia, Russia to Ukraine, Ukraine to France, France to
> England. ...confirm or deny?
>
> So, what's up with that?

Erin:
LOL, Steve, I know I said "What's up with" a couple times, once for
the teeth and once for the socks. Are you mocking me? I can change
the wording to "why are there so many mentions of socks?" and "why
are there so many people with bad teeth in the books?" if you like.

I don't like to just ask for a whole, open-ended explanation of how
portkeys work, because she might mistake what you're asking for and
say something like "if you've read book 4 you'll know all about
portkeys!"

We could specifically ask why portkeys are so tightly controlled and
if they are dangerous. I don't want to include lots of our own
theories or ask questions that take entire long paragraphs.


Steve:
> What are the limits of the Floo Network?
>
> Is it strictly in Britain, or does it extend to the nearest
neighbors
> is Europe (France, Germany, Spain)? Can you Floo to China? ...North
> America?
>
> Next, applying to Floo, Portkey, and Apparation, how long does it
take to cover distance?
>
> For example, does the traveler perceive 1 seconds travel time for
> every 100 miles traveled? That would make travel from London to
> Scotland seem to take place in 5 seconds.
>
> Personally, I think it's more like 1 second perceived for every 20
> miles traveled. That would make the flight to the Quidditch World
Cup about 30 seconds long. (Burrow to London=7.5 seconds)

> Do Owls and Thestrals travel by magic?
>
> Given the flight speed of a typical muggle non-enchanted owl, Owl
Post seems to be very very fast. On some occasions, I seems almost
instant.
> So, are Post Owls just owls, or as I suspect, are they enchanted
owls? Owls with magical capabilities that allow them to travel great
> distances in a extremely short periods of time.
>
> We are reasonably safe in assuming that Hogwarts is in the Highlands
> of Scotland. From that general location to London is just under 500
> miles, and the OotP rescue mission to the Ministry of Magic appeared
> to reach their destination in short order. Given that and the
> description in the book, I have to suspect that magic is involved in
> the Thestral's ability to fly.
>
> Not just magic that allows them to fly fast, because the required
> speed would have been too excessive for their passengers to endure.
If the flight to London took and hour and a half, that is a speed of
> about 325 miles per hour. It would be extremely difficult for an
> unprotected person to endure that high speed in the open.
>
> I've been on a motorcycle at sustained speeds of over 100 mph over
> long distances (no jacket, no helmet, no gloves, no windscreen), the
> force of the wind and the wind chill effect are substantial, very
> substantial. The full force of three times that would have been
> excessive. Hurricane and tonado windspeeds just in excess of 100mph
> are enough to uproot trees and blow over buildings. Three hundred
> miles per hour would make it next to impossible to stay on the
> Thestral's back.
>
> So I conclude that the free flight of the Thestrals allows for some
> type of Star Trek-like magic movement through time and space that is
> not proportional to the apparent required speed. In an old
discussion on this subject, some one suggested warp jumps, implying
that for a quarter of a second the Thestrals fly in real-time and for
the next quarter of a second they are at warp/magic speed. By
combining Magic warp and real-time flight, you get the perception of
flying at 50 mph while actually covering ground at 500 mph.


Erin:

Okay, so what I'm getting so far is:

1.) Are there limits to how far a wizard can be transported by
apparating, the Floo network, or portkeys? If so, what are the limits?

2.) Why are portkeys so tightly controlled by the Ministry and are
they dangerous if done improperly?

3.) What is the top speed of the fastest broom?

4.) Messenger owls and Thestrals seem impressively fast. Do they
travel by magic? And if so, how exactly does that magic work?

If there's more in there, prune it down for me, okay? Distill it
down to three lines or less, and I'll add it in the morning. I'm
going to bed now. Good night.

Erin






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 08:20:27 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 08:20:27 -0000
Subject: NEW CANON- What['s Up with That?
In-Reply-To: <c023c4+daht@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0274b+k7bm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:
> 
> Steve wrote:
> The British don't put Fluoride in their water, so they are notorious
> for having bad teeth. Apparently, like some Americans, they are
> convinced fluoride a great government conspiracy to poison them all,
> even though the discovery of the connection between good teeth and
> fluoride was done in France when a connection was made between
> naturally occurring fluoride in well water and good teeth.
> 
> Erin replies:
> Gaaah! No one likes that question except me! Well, I don't care.
> It's my question, I'm keeping it on there, and I'm asking it. None
> of the rest of you have to. So neener neener neener.
> 

bboy_mn:

It's sort of a running worldwide joke that the English have bad teeth.
I've heard Martin Crane (Fraser's father on the TV show 'Fraser'
starring Kelsey Grammer) make jokes about Daphne's teeth. For the
record, Daphne is British. So, this whole teeth thing is kind of
ingrained in to modern culture. I suspect, more that anyone, the
British themselves are well aware they have notoriously bad teeth.

Also, I wasn't trying to shoot down your question, I was trying to
answer it, or at least give a plausable and likely answer.

But, you are more than free to ask any question you want.




> > Steve:
> >
> > Brooms, Portkeys, Apparation, Floo Network, Owls, and Thestrals -
> > what's up with that?
> 
> 
> Erin:
> Sorry, but I don't quite get what you're asking, ...
> 
>


> Steve:
> Tell me more about Portkeys?
>
> ...edited...
>
> So, what's up with that?

Erin:
LOL, Steve, I know I said "What's up with" a couple times, once for
the teeth and once for the socks. Are you mocking me? 
bboy_mn:


bboy_mn:

Sorry, the 'what's up with that' was mostly my weird sense of humor, I
was mocking but not you specifically. The first question serves as a
prelude to the real questions that followed, and the second 'what's up
with that' was just a attempt at a humorous summation of the Portkey
question.

 
> 
> Erin:
> 
> Okay, so what I'm getting so far is:
> 
> 1.) Are there limits to how far a wizard can be transported by
> apparating, the Floo network, or portkeys? If so, what are the limits?
> 
> 2.) Why are portkeys so tightly controlled by the Ministry and are
> they dangerous if done improperly?
> 
> 3.) What is the top speed of the fastest broom?
> 
> 4.) Messenger owls and Thestrals seem impressively fast. Do they
> travel by magic? And if so, how exactly does that magic work?
> 
> If there's more in there, prune it down for me, okay? Distill it
> down to three lines or less, and I'll add it in the morning. I'm
> going to bed now. Good night.
> 
> Erin

bboy_mn:

Great, if you would include those in your list I would appreciate it.

The reason for the long drawn our explanations for each question, was
because that's how I would like to ask JKR, in a long detailed
conversation over tea, clotted cream, strawberry jam, and scones.

There are deeper issues there, that can't be resolved in quick chat
Q&A answer.

For example, if indeed apparation, portkey travel, Floo travel time
perception is ONE second travel time for every 20 miles traveled, and
that does seem reasonable (and somewhat conservative) based on what we
read in the books, that's approximately 72,000 mph. That's fast!

Even at a preceived travel time of 1 second per 5 traveled miles,
that's 18,000mph, or 80 seconds travel time from Stoadshead Hill to
the Quidditch World Cup. (30 seconds travel time from the Burrow to
London.) I estimate the Thestrals were traveling at over 300mph
(assumes an hour and a half travel time Hogwarts to London).

I can only conclude - IT'S MAGIC.

Also, I thought it might open some general discussion here in the
group on travel in the wizard world. 

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn




From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  7 13:33:41 2004
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (Martha)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:33:41 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- some thoughts
In-Reply-To: <c01t19+v44k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c02pfl+kkl@eGroups.com>

Erin:

>  The only criteria for the list is that it 1.) not be stuff that is 
> already answered in the books or another interview, and 2.) not be 
> something that I believe JKR would refuse to answer on the grounds 
> that it would give away too much of the plot for future books.  You 
> know what I'm talking about here if you've ever read any of the 
> interviews.  So no asking "Is Harry going to die?"  because that is 
> just a total waste of a question.  
> 
> Several of the questions are designed to get at these answers, but 
> they have to be phrased carefully, so as not to get the "sorry, no 
> answer" response.

Martha comments:

To be honest, I get the impression that whatever we ask, we won't be 
satisfied with the answer, regardless of how careful we are to phrase 
the questions the right way. :-) I agree that there are certain 
questions that JKR will point-blank refuse to answer, unless they are 
so far off that it doesn't matter. So, asking "is Harry really a 
living embodiment of Voldemort's good side, and the dark part is 
embodied in Nagini the snake and is Wormtail going to kill Lupin with 
his silver hand?" will either get a "no" or nothing at all.

And if we ask:

>  Will Mark Evans (the ten-year-old Dudley beat up at the beginning 
>  of OoP) show up in the next books at all?

I think we'll either get a "no" (unlikely) or a "well-spotted". 
Rememeber all that discussion of Arabella Figg, pre-OoP? In an 
interview, someone asked is the "Arabella Figg" mentioned my 
Dumbledore at the end of GoF and the "Mrs Figg" Harry sometimes 
stayed with were the same person. I believe the answer was "well 
spotted!", which led to months of debate as to whether she was a 
beautiful young witch drinking polyjuice potion to look like an old 
lady, or Dumbledore's girlfriend, or Harry's great-aunt, or this or 
that. I guess what I'm saying is that JKR is not going to directly 
answer a question unless it is completely off the mark (so to speak). 
Whatever answer she gives, we'll rip it apart. And if we ask:

> And is he related to Harry, since Lily's maiden name was Evans.

Same again - either a "no" or nothing, and as Erin points out:

> That was actually the question I was trying to *avoid* asking, as I 
> thought it would be one she'd refuse to answer on grounds that it 
> spoils the plot of future books if the answer is yes.

Also, there are plenty of things I expect some people just don't want 
to know. I am a dedicated Sirius/Remus shipper and would never dream 
of asking JKR for confirmation of that ship, since if she said "no, 
they're not a couple and never have been" my heart would break. 
That's just an example, but you get the idea.

Just my tuppence and all that, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

~ Martha ~




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Feb  7 17:25:31 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:25:31 -0000
Subject: Crazy Confusing COUSIN THING.
In-Reply-To: <c01c50+mi4l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0372b+pps1@eGroups.com>

mstattersall wrote:

> (Song: "I'm My Own Grandpa" by Homer & Jethro)
> Many many years ago when I was twenty three,
> I got married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
>      
> This widow had a grown-up daughter
> Who had hair of red.
> My father fell in love with her,
> And soon the two were wed.

As performed by Bill Wyman and his son, no doubt.

:D




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Feb  7 17:53:28 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:53:28 -0000
Subject: Teeth (was NEW CANON)
In-Reply-To: <c023c4+daht@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c038mo+m0gn@eGroups.com>

Erin wrote:

> Gaaah! No one likes that question except me! Well, I don't care.
> It's my question, I'm keeping it on there, and I'm asking it. None
> of the rest of you have to. So neener neener neener.

No, I understand your approach and don't want you to withdraw the 
question.  The point is, information on the context may make people 
decide that questions are more or less likely to get a useful or 
illuminating answer, and so help in selecting them.
 
> I refuse to believe that JKR takes the bad teeth for granted. If 
she
> did, she wouldn't even mention them, they'd just be... taken for
> granted and not mentioned. And even if she actually somehow did end
> up answering the question (a miniscule chance) and said that she
> hadn't thought about it much before, well, possibly it would wake
> her up to the fact that her American fans do consider it unusual 
and
> horrible and make her think twice before saddling another character
> with them. And that would make it worthwhile in my book.

Interesting.  The gulf is more than I supposed, especially as you 
more or less equated 'bad' teeth with poor hygiene in your pervious 
post.  To me describing Karkaroff's teeth as yellow may indicate 
that he smokes (I think only Dudley for sure smokes out of all the 
characters), but it's just description.  Snape, hair, dark, teeth, 
yellow; Karkaroff, hair, grey, teeth, yellow.

I don't believe anyone's teeth are described as 'bad' anywhere in 
canon.  Grawp's are described pejoratively.  IIRC, the merpeople 
have green teeth.

But you seem to be making the mental leap from 'yellow' to 'bad' 
with no consciousness of making it.

As for Hagrid, people here do tend to wear false teeth if they have 
gaps, but I think we have to wait until the next book to be sure he 
has rejected that option.  The WW being what it is, he may have 
difficulty getting treatment on the grounds that his teeth are 
inapproproately large.

David, wondering when dyed teeth will be fashionable




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Feb  7 18:31:45 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:31:45 -0000
Subject: NEW CANON- What['s Up with That?
In-Reply-To: <c0274b+k7bm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c03auh+iq95@eGroups.com>

 Steve wrote:

> > The British don't put Fluoride in their water, so they are 
notorious for having bad teeth. Apparently, like some Americans, 
they are convinced fluoride a great government conspiracy to poison 
them all, even though the discovery of the connection between good 
teeth and fluoride was done in France when a connection was made 
between naturally occurring fluoride in well water and good teeth.<<<

Ali responds:-

This is actually not entirely correct. I come from a place (London 
to be exact) where fluoride is put into the water and certainly has 
been for all of my life. I do now live in an area where they don't 
put fluoride into the water - which shocked me - they are apparently 
thinking about making it obligatory.

 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> It's sort of a running worldwide joke that the English have bad 
teeth.

> I've heard Martin Crane (Fraser's father on the TV show 'Fraser'
> starring Kelsey Grammer) make jokes about Daphne's teeth. For the
> record, Daphne is British. So, this whole teeth thing is kind of
> ingrained in to modern culture. I suspect, more that anyone, the
> British themselves are well aware they have notoriously bad teeth.


So, on the basis of one joke on one programme, it's a worldwide joke 
about our teeth? 

As for the British being well aware about our notoriously bad teeth, 
I don't think that we are. That would assume a level of 
international knowledge and comparison that I have certainly never 
seen.

Quite seriously, I do believe that the British do have a (probably 
well deserved) reputation abroad for bad teeth. But, like many 
reputations, it probably nolonger holds much water. Most kids now 
seem to have braces, and many did when I was growing up. So, whilst 
adults might have teeth that are more crooked than the average 
American adult; I don't think the same will hold true for the next 
generation.

I have no idea how rotten our teeth are in comparison to others. 
But, for the record, I have no fillings and straight teeth. I regret 
to report though, that they are yellower than I would like <g>.

Ali





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Feb  7 18:42:04 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:42:04 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Teeth (was NEW CANON)
References: <c038mo+m0gn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <027401c3edaa$15bf7d00$43301c40@oemcomputer>

David wrote:

<But you seem to be making the mental leap
from 'yellow' to 'bad'
with no consciousness of making it.>

I have no clue how this discussion came
about, but just for an example of the
mistaken impression that colouring is a sign
of bad oral care, I have generally white
teeth, most would assume I have good oral
care, if a need for an orthodontist, but I
haven't brushed since..oh ages.   Well, not
true, I brush when I need fresh smelling
breath fast, but oral hygiene isn't something
I picked up (long story).

On the other hand, my mother has generally
yellowish teeth and she brushes and flosses
and whatevers daily.  (It's annoying really)

So general colour/appearance of a tooth is in
no way an indication of weither they are good
teeth or bad teeth.  It's the thing you can't
see that'll tell you about teeth.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sat Feb  7 20:06:27 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:06:27 -0000
Subject: VIRUS WARNING!!!
In-Reply-To: <000101c3ed0c$fbe11ad0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c03gg3+jkj9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> If anyone gets an e-mail from: Elene [FUCKENSUICIDE at h...] 
> Especially with the subject line of: Important information for 
you. Read
> it immediately !
> 
> 
> DO NOT OPEN IT!  I was sent this e-mail, and my Norton Anti-Virus 
caught
> a virus attached to it and quarantined it for me.
> 
> Please also understand that, while I try to adhere to the rules 
against
> vulgarity on the list, I felt it was important to include the 
source
> address.


I've gotten 8 of those messages so far, and counting. My spam-
blocker keeps them from being delivered then deletes them.  Is the 
sender targeting this group, or is it internet-wide?

Jen




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 20:17:39 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:17:39 -0000
Subject: VIRUS WARNING!!!
In-Reply-To: <c03gg3+jkj9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c03h53+2tm5@eGroups.com>


> > Iggy here:
> > 
> > If anyone gets an e-mail from: Elene [FUCKENSUICIDE at h...] 
> > Especially with the subject line of: Important information for 
> you. Read
> > it immediately !
> > 
> > 
> > DO NOT OPEN IT!  I was sent this e-mail, and my Norton Anti-Virus 
> caught
> > a virus attached to it and quarantined it for me.
> > 
Jen:
> I've gotten 8 of those messages so far, and counting. My spam-
> blocker keeps them from being delivered then deletes them.  Is the 
> sender targeting this group, or is it internet-wide?

Annemehr:
Well, I haven't gotten any, and my Yahoo mail normally delivers spam
to my bulk mail folder, so I'd see it if I had.  Must be internet-wide
(see Pshemekan's link: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100980.htm ),
and nothing in particular to do with HPfGU.

I only got one of that MyDoom worm (which I recognized without
opening), which was a big improvement over that SoBig debacle -- I
wasn't infected, but it spoofed my email address and apparently sent
out hundreds of itself under my name. <grrr>

Wish there was a good way to get revenge on spammers and
virus-inventors...

Annemehr





From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Sat Feb  7 20:22:19 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:22:19 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VIRUS WARNING!!!
In-Reply-To: <c03gg3+jkj9@eGroups.com>
References: <c03gg3+jkj9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <402548FB.10904@ipartner.com.pl>

Jen Reese wrote:

>--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
><CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
>  
>
>>Iggy here:
>>
>>If anyone gets an e-mail from: Elene [FUCKENSUICIDE at h...] 
>>Especially with the subject line of: Important information for 
>>    
>>
>you. Read
>  
>
>>it immediately !
>>
>>
>>DO NOT OPEN IT!  I was sent this e-mail, and my Norton Anti-Virus 
>>    
>>
>caught
>  
>
>>a virus attached to it and quarantined it for me.
>>
>>Please also understand that, while I try to adhere to the rules 
>>    
>>
>against
>  
>
>>vulgarity on the list, I felt it was important to include the 
>>    
>>
>source
>  
>
>>address.
>>    
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>
>
>I've gotten 8 of those messages so far, and counting. My spam-
>blocker keeps them from being delivered then deletes them.  Is the 
>sender targeting this group, or is it internet-wide?
>
>  
>
In an already quoted link: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100980.htm 
it says that it is Internet wide. My company's anti-virus filters catch 
this one every day.


-- 
Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
Fear is the tax that conscience pays to guilt. (George Sewell)





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Sat Feb  7 21:54:37 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:54:37 -0000
Subject: "British" Teeth (was NEW CANON- What['s Up with That?)
In-Reply-To: <c03auh+iq95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c03mqt+fdh9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> So, on the basis of one joke on one programme, it's a worldwide 
joke 
> about our teeth? 
>

The Austin Powers movies haven't helped the reputation of British 
dentistry. For a long time, if one were so inclined, one could 
purchase joke teeth in the costume shops that were all crooked, 
stained, and otherwise icky, in a package that called 
them "hillbilly" teeth. Not long after the second Austin Powers movie 
came out, I saw the same joke teeth in a new package with a vaguely 
Austin-Powers-looking character on it and they were called "British" 
teeth.

An unfair and unfortunate stereotype, to be sure.

Ms. Tattersall
who always thought John Inman's gappy grin was rather cute
(oh, beHAVE!)






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Feb  7 22:08:39 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:08:39 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: NEW CANON- What['s Up with That?
In-Reply-To: <c03auh+iq95@eGroups.com>
References: <c0274b+k7bm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4025FC97.11214.3EB392@localhost>

On 7 Feb 2004 at 18:31, Ali wrote:

> So, on the basis of one joke on one programme, it's a worldwide joke 
> about our teeth? 

The thing is, it's not just one joke on one program - it's a fairly 
common joke - I can think of another example from 'The Simpsons' - 
when  a dentist terrorises a child by showing him 'The Big Book of 
British Smiles'.

> Quite seriously, I do believe that the British do have a (probably 
> well deserved) reputation abroad for bad teeth. But, like many 
> reputations, it probably nolonger holds much water. Most kids now 
> seem to have braces, and many did when I was growing up. So, whilst 
> adults might have teeth that are more crooked than the average 
> American adult; I don't think the same will hold true for the next 
> generation.

Probably not - this is, as it considered to come into our public 
safety remit, something that has been looked at where I work.

One major difference in dentistry between the US and most other 
Western countries - not just Britain, it's just that Britain is one 
of the other countries Americans have most knowledge of - has been 
that in most countries, purely cosmetic dentistry has been fairly 
uncommon until recently. Children typically wore braces and the 
like only if there was a medical reason to do so - if their teeth 
were so out of alignment has to cause bite difficulties etc.

In the US, purely cosmetic dentistry for children - when braces and 
plates have been used to correct minor aesthetic flaws - has been 
reasonably common since the 1960s. In most other countries, it 
didn't start to take off until the 1980s, or even the 1990s.

> I have no idea how rotten our teeth are in comparison to others. 
> But, for the record, I have no fillings and straight teeth. I regret 
> to report though, that they are yellower than I would like <g>.

Actually British teeth tend to be as healthy as anyone elses on 
earth - the historical differences are basically cosmetic.



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Sun Feb  8 00:14:26 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:14:26 -0000
Subject: ADMIN:  Virus Warnings
Message-ID: <c03v12+bil5@eGroups.com>

Hi, again, everyone.

I think part of the last ADMIN message (#21428) has gotten overlooked.

To paraphrase myself:

The Admins have the responsibility to issue warnings and we do this 
with discretion, because some warnings can create more 
disinformation, confusion and panic. This is why we do *not* allow 
warnings about viruses on any of the HPfGU groups aside from Feedback.

If anyone has any questions or comments about this, please contact us 
at HPforGrownups-owner@ yahoogroups.com.

Thanks again, everyone!


--Kelley on behalf of the Admin Team




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 01:20:00 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:20:00 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c01t19+v44k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c042s0+5gac@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:

>  In PoA, Lupin had a bag with Professor R. J. Lupin stamped on it 
in 
> peeling letters.  Where was he a professor before Hogwarts and 
what  
> does his middle initial stand for? 
> 
> Joywitch comments:  
> > This seems obvious to me -- I think that JKR would say that 
there's 
> > no reason to think he was a Professor before Hogwarts. He's a 
> wizard, remember?  As soon as he got the Hogwarts job, all he had 
to 
> do is  point his wand at his bag and say something like "Engravio" 
> and the  word "Professor" appears in front of his name.
> > 
> > OTOH, I'd love to know what his middle name is.
> 
> Erin answers:
> See now, you liked that question after all :-)   The thing with the 
> letters is that they are old and peeling, so obviously he's had 
them 
> on there for awhile, suggesting that he'd taught elsewhere.  And 
even 
> if she tells us he hasn't, that is also knowledge we formerly 
didn't 
> have.

It doesn't say "old and peeling," it just says "peeling." Maybe they 
were peeling because Lupin didn't know how to do the spell very 
well.  OK, that's weak.  I give up.


> Question and Joywitch comment:
>  Ron got his leg broken in PoA.  Which leg was it, and does he have 
>  a scar there now?
> > 
> > This would be a wasted question, IMO.  Broken limbs don't usually 
> > leave scars.  Do you really care whether it was Ron's left or 
right 
> > leg?
> 
> Erin answers:
> Ah, that question is a sly one from the "Is Ron Dumbledore via the 
> Timeturner" people.  If she answers "left knee", and says there 
*is* 
> a scar, then we can start wondering if it looks like a map of the 
> London Underground, you see? :-)   

OK, I give up.  You're too sneaky and clever for me.


> Question and Joywitch comment:  
> > > Do "evanesco" and "scourgify" make things cease to exist or 
just 
> go somewhere else?
> > 
> > Great question.  I'd have the same question about some of the 
> charms  which make things appear.
> 
> Erin answers:
> Yay, another question! Which charms?  Write out the question for me 
> and I will put it on the list.

The problem is, we don't know what those charms are called.  I'm 
thinking of the spell Dumbledore uses to conjure up the squishy 
purple sleeping bags (POA), and the chair at Christmas dinner (POA) 
and the chairs at Harry's hearing (OOP), which he doesn without 
saying anything. McGonagall also conjures up some chairs in OOP with 
just a flick of her wand.  Are they just so good at Summoning Spells 
that they don't have to even say "accio?"  Or are they actually 
creating something?


> Question and Joywitch comment:  
> > > Are the Pensieve's memories totally objective like a video 
camera?
> > 
> > How could they be objective - they are the memories of a specific 
> > person.
> 
> Erin:
> Ah, come on, Joywitch, I know you haven't been *that* out of it.  
> People have been arguing this one on the list for 7 months now.  
One 
> of the theories is that the Pensieve uses the memory as a small, 
> selective timeturner to transport the viewer back to the specific 
> incident.  Surely you notice in the Pensieve chapters that Harry 
> seems to have seen things (such as what James was drawing, 
> conversations in a crowded, noisy hallway) that it would have been 
> difficult for the person whose memory it was to have been aware of 
at 
> the time.  I'm not going to go into all the other theories now, but 
> suffice it to say that this *is* a hotly contested subject, and a 
> perfectly valid question IMO.


Yeh, well, just because people have been arguing about it for 7 
months doesn't mean that I can't dismiss it out of hand simply 
because it annoys me.  ;-D   To me, the real question is "Why is 
Harry able to see and hear things while he's in Snape's Pensieve 
memory that Snape couldn't possibly have seen or heard? Is this just 
another plot inconsistency, or do you have an explanation for it?" 
but even I wouldn't be that rude to JKR.

> Question and Joywitch comment:
> > > Why do some people make a loud "crack" when they disapparate, 
and 
> > > other people make only small "pop"s?
> > 
> > I think JKR would just say that different people have different 
> skill levels.
> 
> Erin says somewhat archly:
> Well, what you think JKR might say and what she actually says 
aren't 
> necessarily the same thing, you know.   

Ooooohhh, dem's fightin' woids, Erin.


> Someone else might think it 
> perfectly obvious that she'd say it depends on the distance 
> involved.  Or other various factors.  I've seen this one discussed 
on 
> the list as well.
 
Allright, allright.  I *guess* you have a point.  (she conceeds, 
grumpily)


> Question and Joywitch comment:
> > > We've seen in OoP that portkeys do work inside Hogwarts.  So 
how 
> come Crouch Jr. had to get Harry into the Triwizard Tournament and 
> wait for the third task before sending Harry to Voldemort?  
Couldn't 
> he just have turned anything in the castle into a  Portkey at any 
> time?
> 
>  I think that this is one of the many weak plot devices in GOF, and 
>  I'd be embarassed to ask JKR about it.
> 
> Erin answers:
> Well, maybe so.  Maybe so.  And yet, it's such an obvious plot 
> hole... I mean the whole freakin' *book* is written around it and 
> we're supposed to believe it never even crossed her mind?  

Well, she did say that she really rushed to get the book done by the 
deadline, and it *is* filled with inconsistencies, IMO.

> I'm 
> personally hoping she'll come out with a brillant explanation that 
> will put us all to shame for having doubted her in the first 
place.  
> Yeah, that's it.  We're just not giving her enough credit!  
> 
> What I tell myself now is that you can only use portkeys from 
> Dumbledore's office, the rest of the school and grounds are 
> protected, and the protection had been lifted from the maze to 
allow 
> the champions who could to apparate or whatever.

Well, the fact that Dumbledore turns the tea kettle into a portkey in 
OOP does seem to back that up, although maybe it is Dumbledore 
himself, not his office, that is the key factor here.  IOW, maybe 
only Dumbledore himself, or only a Headmaster, can make portkeys or 
use other types of transportation spells in Hogwarts.

Another possible explanation is that the Triwizard trophy itself is a 
portkey that contains some type of magic that works (or is allowed to 
work) despite the anti-apparation spells around Hogwarts, and Crouch, 
Jr. just alters the place it takes the champion to.  Since people 
couldn't see what was going on in the maze, it makes sense that the 
first person to touch the trophy would be transported to the winner's 
circle or something.

But I guess the point of this post is not really to argue this stuff.


> But anyway, no one is making you ask it.  *I* intend to.

You go, girl!


> Question and Joywitch comment:
>  Will Mark Evans (the ten-year-old Dudley beat up at the beginning 
>  of OoP) show up in the next books at all?
>  
> And is he related to Harry, since Lily's maiden name was Evans.
> 
> Erin answers:
> That was actually the question I was trying to *avoid* asking, as I 
> thought it would be one she'd refuse to answer on grounds that it 
> spoils the plot of future books if the answer is yes.   

Again, you're too clever by half.

> Question and Joywitch comment:
>  Fans have found ways to anagram many of the names currently in 
> > Harry Potter.  Are there any more names in the series that are 
> > intentional anagrams of anything?
> > 
> > What do you mean, any *more* names that are intentional 
anagrams?  
> As far as we know, none of them are *intentional* anagrams.
> 
> Erin, mouth hanging open in shock, stammers:
> Um.... riiiight.  Well, Tom Marvolo Riddle springs to mind, but 
then, 
> maybe that's just me....

Doh!  ::shuts ears in oven doors::  I was thinking of that anagram 
for Snape and others that I've heard people mention as if they knew 
JKR had done them on purpose and, um, I was...oh, forget it. ::crawls 
under the bed::


> Question and Joywitch comment:
>  Will Harry, Ron, and Hermione ever meet (or have they already met) 
a 
> vampire?
>  
>  Why not just ask "Is Snape a vampire?"  Oh, and the answer is, 
>  obviously, YES!
> 
> Erin:
> Once again, too darn obvious.  Not to mention that poor Pippin 
would 
> probably have a nervous breakdown if the answer was no. :-D


The answer is yes!  YES! YESYESYESYESYES!  Snape is SO a vampire!  I 
refuse to have it any other way.  If JKR says he's not, she's just 
wrong!  Pippin and I know the truth!

--Joywitch




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 01:22:12 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:22:12 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c01ttt+ti0f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c04304+j567@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:
>  "Shaun Hately":  
> 
> I think what Joywitch has noticed 
> > is that the question as written could imply an assumption that 
the 
> > fans have found intentional anagrams (beyond TMR=IALR) - and that 
> > the question is asking JKR if there any anagrams that the fans 
have 
> > missed.
> > 
> > I think it should be rephrased to something like: "Fans have 
found 
> > ways to anagram many of the names currently in Harry Potter.  Are 
> > there any more names in the series that are intentional anagrams 
of 
> > anything beyond the example seen in Chamber of Secrets?"
> > 
> 
> 
> Erin:
> 
> Point taken, and if this is the case, I apologize to Joywitch for 
> doubting her.  I will revise the question.  Thanks, Shaun.


Yeh, uh, right.  That's what I meant.  What Shaun said.  But I will 
graciously accept Erin's apology.  :-D

-Joywitch




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Feb  8 02:41:46 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:41:46 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN:  Virus Warnings
In-Reply-To: <c03v12+bil5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3eded$255d00f0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I had actually sent out my virus warning before your note hit the list,
but my message apparently got severely delayed by YahooMort.  (I think
he cast a Jellylegs Jinx on the messenger...)

Just noting this so that you know that I hadn't overlooked or ignored
the note... they just crossed paths in transit.

Iggy McSnurd

 





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Feb  8 04:06:52 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 04:06:52 -0000
Subject: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!
Message-ID: <c04cks+cfn3@eGroups.com>

On Harry Potter Filks this month, we're offering nine new filks 
concerning Aberforth Dumbledore and his "inappropriate" goat-charms.  
When I do the next update, these filks will be moved to a page all 
their own. I could title it something boring, like "Aberforth 
Dumbledore," but that would totally fail to reflect the unique je ne 
se quois quality of these goat-intoxicated melodies. 

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/newfilks.htm

(SCroll down to "Embraceable Ewe")



The Contest: Come up with a name for HPF's upcoming Aberforth 
Dumbledore page. So far, the suggestions include

The Discreet Charm of Aberforth Dumbledore   - CMC 
Tin Can Alley  - CMC 
Aegospotamoi  - Haggridd (where the Athenian sailors went down for 
the count during the Peloponnesian War?  - I confess to a weakness 
for classical references.)

And if you're into classical references ? and we are, we are! ? you 
should be aware of the original meaning of tragedy 

"In ancient times, tragoidia or tragedy was explained as a song for 
the prize of a goat or song at the sacrifice of a goat." 

http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/classics/dunkle/tragedy/intr2.htm

Post your entries on OT-Chatter ? I, employing outrageously 
subjective criteria, will select a winner on March 1, and bestow 
eternal glory upon the champion by posting hiserrer name on HPF (so 
what did you expect, 500,000 Frequent Flyer miles?) 

   - CMC





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 05:00:57 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:00:57 -0000
Subject: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!
In-Reply-To: <c04cks+cfn3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c04fq9+d0po@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius"
<coriolan at w...> wrote:

> The Contest: Come up with a name for HPF's upcoming Aberforth 
> Dumbledore page.

Since we know (yes?) that ol' Aberforth is the bartender at the Hogs
Head, and since that fine establishment smells strongly of goat, then
I think the obvious place to keep the goat and the FILKs is:

The Hog's Head Stockroom

"Stock" being both what is sold at the bar, and certain livestock.

Annemehr





From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 07:16:41 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:16:41 -0000
Subject: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!
In-Reply-To: <c04cks+cfn3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c04nop+6ikp@eGroups.com>

CMC wrote:

> On Harry Potter Filks this month, we're offering nine new filks 
> concerning Aberforth Dumbledore and his "inappropriate" goat-
charms.  
> When I do the next update, these filks will be moved to a page all 
> their own. I could title it something boring, like "Aberforth 
> Dumbledore," but that would totally fail to reflect the unique je 
ne 
> se quois quality of these goat-intoxicated melodies. 

ROTFL at Tin Can Alley.  However, I'll have a go at a couple more 
nominations:

My Heart Belongs to Nanny

Abe's Babe  (or Songs to Abe's Babe)

Since the pronunciation of "Aberforth" is only a shade less 
controversial than the pronunciation of "Voldemort," I also offer:

Inside Ab's Lab  (experimental charms, you know)

If it's permissible to name the page after one of the songs thereon, 
I'm also partial to:

The Love Goat

even though I steadfastly maintain that Ab/Abe's charms were G-rated.

Amy




From pfsch at gmx.de  Sun Feb  8 12:56:46 2004
From: pfsch at gmx.de (Peter Felix Schuster)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:56:46 -0000
Subject: Comic Strips in the DP
In-Reply-To: <bvni8a+q88k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c05bme+9n9u@eGroups.com>

Peter:
Do you guys think there are comic strips in the Daily Prophet? What 
and whom could they be about?

Naama:
Super Harry?

Peter again:
An Anti-Harry strip more likely, at least during Ootp. Maybe with 
lines like "worship my scar" or obscure made up stories as a punch 
line.

Goodbite Peter (http://www.mondratte.de)




From granaiogirl at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 16:05:07 2004
From: granaiogirl at yahoo.co.uk (granaiogirl)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:05:07 -0000
Subject: NEW CANON- What['s Up with That?
In-Reply-To: <c0274b+k7bm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c05mnj+iia6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> > The British don't put Fluoride in their water, so they are notorious
> > for having bad teeth. 

Is not quite true. Many water companies in the UK do fluoridate.
http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/risk.htm




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Feb  8 16:57:47 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:47 -0000
Subject: Open letter to Joywitch (wasThe Chance for NEW CANON)
In-Reply-To: <c042s0+5gac@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c05pqb+3b8s@eGroups.com>

Dear Joywitch,

> Well, the fact that Dumbledore turns the tea kettle into a portkey 
in 
> OOP does seem to back that up, although maybe it is Dumbledore 
> himself, not his office, that is the key factor here.  IOW, maybe 
> only Dumbledore himself, or only a Headmaster, can make portkeys 
or 
> use other types of transportation spells in Hogwarts.

You might be interested to know that you are engaging in an activity 
known (among aficionados) as 'canon discussion'.  May I invite you 
to join a Yahoo discussion group called HPforGrownUps where we 
discuss portkeys and much else?  We would be delighted to have you 
join in.

Yours sincerely

David (elf, clothed, with butterbeer)




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 17:07:52 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:07:52 EST
Subject: Pronunciation of Aberforth (was:Re: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!)
Message-ID: <176.250ebf5a.2d57c6e8@aol.com>

> Abe's Babe  (or Songs to Abe's Babe)
> 
> Since the pronunciation of "Aberforth" is only a shade less 
> controversial than the pronunciation of "Voldemort," I also offer:
> 
> Inside Ab's Lab  (experimental charms, you know)

The pronunciation of Aberforth is controversial? 
Well blow me down with a feather, I'd never even have contemplated that!

There are a fair number of British (mostly Welsh or Scottish) place names 
which start 
'Aber-' (it meaning a river mouth in Welsh or a confluence in Pictish) and as 
far as I am aware they are invariably pronounced with a short 'a' (like 
Abba!). Same with the surname, Abercrombie. I would think that the idea of 
pronouncing Aberforth by analogy with 'Abe' is completely counterintuitive to anyone 
familiar with the native pronunciation of British place names. At least, 
'normal' British place names. ;-)

~Eloise

Who lives near two places called Wrotham and Trottiscliffe. Care to guess 
their pronunciation?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Feb  8 23:54:02 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:54:02 -0000
Subject: Summer Weather /  monolingual / Questions for  JKR
Message-ID: <c06i6q+j7fm@eGroups.com>

K Cawte wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21329 :

<< Of course the drought and water shortage in the summer will in no
way prevent the floods that are almost inevitable in February, March
and April (I saw the first severe flood warnings on the weather
forecast yesterday evening) >>

Why don't they build drainages to lead the water to impoundments so it
can be stored in reservoirs to be used in the summer?

Sheryll wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21348 :

<< Summer can actually be quite warm here, with the Humidex rating
occasionally taking it up to near 40 Celsius. >>

40 degrees Centigrade :: 104 degrees Fahrenheit. I was afraid of 
that -- hot, humid, unbearable Midwestern summer weather for
ConventionAlley.  

Ms Tattersall wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21414 :

<< If a person who speaks two languages is bilingual, and a person who
speaks three languages is trilingual, what do you call someone who
speaks only one language? >>

Cornelius Fudge (at the QWC). 

My two languages are American and Meow. My brain was not capable of
learning any others, even when I was five years old.

Eloise asked in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21467 :

<< two places called Wrotham and Trottiscliffe. Care to guess their
pronunciation? >>

Plain wild guess: Rome and Triffid. I can understand how SeveNOaKS
became Snooks, but not quite how Featherstonehaugh became Fanshawe ...
somehow that S traded places with the N ...  

Erin put out a call for questions in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21420 :

<< Are there limits to how far a wizard can be transported by
apparating or portkeys? If so, what are the limits? >>

I'm sure she thinks she already answered the limits of Apparation in
QTTA: "[The Oakshaft 79] will always be remembered as the broom used
in the first ever Atlantic broom crossing, by Jocunda Sykes in 1935.
(Before that time, wizards preferred to take ships rather than to
trust broomsticks over such distances. Apparation becomes increasingly
unreliable over very long distances, and only highly skilled wizards
are wise to attempt it across continents." page 48).

I (present imperfect tense of "to accumulate") my own list of
questions, some of which overlap with yours, and here it is:

------------------------------------------------------------------
Questions for JKR:

1) In the Potterverse, what is a 'warlock'? (warrior-wizard?
MP-wizard?)

1.5) Are International Federation of Wizards, International
Confederation of Wizards, and International Confederation of Warlocks
all the same thing? (IIRC, OoP added International Federation of
Warlocks to the list.)

2) Why aren't Thunderbirds (aka Quetzalcoatls) in FANTASTIC BEASTS?

3) Are Boggarts (not in FB) Beings or Spirits? Are Dementors Beings or
Spirits?

4) Is the Ministry of Magic part of the Muggle government? If it's
separate, how is the Minister of Magic selected?

5) Does Molly Weasley have red hair like her husband and children?

6) About werewolves in the Potterverse: are they contagious when in
human form, or only in wolf form? Is silver harmful to them? Are they
transformed only at night or also in the daytime? For only one night,
or two or three in a row? [I believe that OoP answered that silver is
not harmful to them when in human form, but Iggy disputes that by
comparing silver to a bullet: just touching it isn't harmful.] 

6.5) The Wolfsbane Potion -- does Lupin have to take it every night
for a week before he transforms, or just once any time during that
week?

7) Is Professor Sinistra a witch or a wizard? 

8) Why do they have to study so much Astronomy? Does the class include
Astrology? Do they have to know the locations of the planets because
they're going to travel there?

9) What is Arithmancy? 

10) Hermione's birth year? panswered on CoS DVD: 1.6 months younger
than Harry.]

11) Is Fleur a Seeker on a Beauxbatons Quidditch team? For that
matter, is Beauxbatons's Quidditch intramural like Hogwarts's or
extramural?

12) How does Fidelius Charm work? [answered in OoP]

13) Do the wizarding folk have recorded music? Does anyone listen to
Wizarding Wireless at Hogwarts? Are the professional Quidditch Matches
broadcast?

14) How old are Arthur and Molly Weasley (same age as Hagrid? Older?
Was Arthur in school with Lucius?) [Lucius Malfoy's age, implausibly
young 41, was answered in OoP.] At what age do witches hit the change
of life? 

15.5) How old are Narcissa, Andromeda, and Bellatrix nee Black? I
figure that Andromeda must be at least 42 because her daughter Tonks
is 23. If Narcissa is the oldest, she would be older than her
husband. 

15) Are Spells the same thing as Charms? because the Standard Book of
Spells is the Charms textbook.

16) Is Blaise Zabini a boy or a girl? What are the given names and the
Houses of the students in Harry's year named Moon and [T.] Nott? [OoP:
Theodore Nott] 

Is Miss Fawcett of Ravenclaw, who tried to fool the Age Line, the same
Miss Fawcett who was in the rosebush with Stebbins (or is that one a
Hufflepuff)? The same Miss Fawcett who was at the Dueling Club? The
same as S. Fawcett who checked out QUIDDITCH THROUGH THE AGES from the
library? What does S stand for? [Apparently recent printings of GoF
have MIss Fawcett of Ravenclaw in the rose bush with Mr Stebbins of
Hufflepuff, thus showing that JKR intended to have only one Miss
Fawcett.]

17) Is there ever a Muggle-born student Sorted into Slytherin? How do
they stand the abuse from the purebloodists? 

18) How many prefects are there and who chooses them? [OoP answered:
Dumbledore chooses them.] 

19) Does the J in Remus J. Lupin stand for Justyn, Januarius, or Job?
Are James Potter's middle names Godric Merlin? Is Sirius Black's
middle name Orion? 

20) The Weasleys' names -- is Bill short for Bilius like his uncle who
died from seeing a Grim, is Charlie short for Charles, is Fred short
for Frederick or Alfred, is Ginny short for Virginia or Gwenevere or
Jennifer or Iphigenia, or are they all actual given names, not short
for something else? [OoP answered: Percy is not short for Percival] 

21) Can you confirm that Black, Lupin, and Pettigrew were in
Gryffindor with Potter and Evans?

22) Was Grindelwald active in Britain or in Europe or both? Did he
terrorize the wizarding folk kind of like Voldemort? 

23) Was Karkaroff recruited by Voldemort in Britain or or in his
native country? Did he do his crimes in Britain or in his native
country? Was he a teacher at Hogwarts when he was recruited, did he
recruit Snape as still a student?

24) Can a Squib, or a Muggle, make Potions if they can get the magic
ingredients, or does a person have to use magic to make the Potion
brew correctly?

25) Is "Godric's Hollow" the name of a house or the name of a
village/neighborhood? 

26) Did the Slinkhard DADA textbook demonstrate what you, Ms. Rowling,
think of non-violence in real life Muggle situations?

27) Please confirm that Salam Witches' Institute (mentioned in GoF) is
the Women's Institute, not a girls' school or university.

28) How come Dumbledore didn't use Legilimency to identify the spy in
the first Order of the Phoenix?

29) How come the Mobili- charm (Mobiliarbus, Mobilicorpus in PoA) was
replaced by Locomotor (Locomotor Trunk) in GoF?




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb  9 08:19:10 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:19:10 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Summer Weather /  monolingual / Questions for  JKR
References: <c06i6q+j7fm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c3eee5$656f72b0$bcde6251@kathryn>





> K Cawte wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21329 :
>
> << Of course the drought and water shortage in the summer will in no
> way prevent the floods that are almost inevitable in February, March
> and April (I saw the first severe flood warnings on the weather
> forecast yesterday evening) >>
>
Catlady

> Why don't they build drainages to lead the water to impoundments so it
> can be stored in reservoirs to be used in the summer?
>
K

Presumably because it's expensive for a private company to do that and too
logical for a public company to do it (Since anything government run is
devoid of what normal people would call logic, they do have their own
bureaucratic sense of logic but it's rarely comprehensible by the average
person).

K





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Mon Feb  9 05:58:53 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:58:53 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation of Aberforth (was:Re: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!)
In-Reply-To: <176.250ebf5a.2d57c6e8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c077it+94sm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> ~Eloise
 Who lives near two places called Wrotham and Trottiscliffe. Care to 
guess 
> their pronunciation?
> 
Rootum and Trosley.
Not bad for a monolingual American and a Texan as well!
Ms. Tattersall





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 07:36:12 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 07:36:12 -0000
Subject: NEW CANON- What['s Up with That?
In-Reply-To: <c05mnj+iia6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c07d9c+mk8o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "granaiogirl"
<granaiogirl at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> 
> > > The British don't put Fluoride in their water, so they are 
> > > notorious for having bad teeth. 
> 
> Is not quite true. Many water companies in the UK do fluoridate.
> http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/risk.htm


bboy_mn:

Yes, about 1/10th of the population in Britian has flourindated water,
and you will notice that the page you referenced is a hysterical
anti-flouride rant about how we are all being poisoned; driven to an
early grave by the use of Flouride.

It takes massive doses of flouride to cause any harm, and you should
note from the page you referenced that 

# Durham
# Essex
# Lincolnshire
# Peterborough
# Suffolk
# Teesside
# Tyneside

...have enough naturally occurring flouride that it isn't necessary to
add it to the water. It was through the connection between low tooth
decay and naturally occurring flourde that it's effectiveness was
discovered. Based on what I read many years, the initial research was
done in France.


The United States on the other hand has near (not quite, but near)
universal flouridation of water. Growing up in a rural comminity, I've
even noticed the difference in quality of teeth between town kids and
farm kids; farm kids have to work a lot harder to take care of their
teeth in order to prevent decay.

Not that it's really that important an issue.

Just passing it along.

bboy_mn





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Feb  9 09:47:00 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:47:00 -0000
Subject: Summer Weather /  monolingual / Questions for  JKR
In-Reply-To: <c06i6q+j7fm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c07kuk+poms@eGroups.com>

Tempted to change the subject line to Ritathon.

Rita wrote:

> Why don't they build drainages to lead the water to impoundments 
so it
> can be stored in reservoirs to be used in the summer?

Building a reservoir is a major undertaking with big implications 
for the local population, not least if their houses, farms etc are 
to end up underwater.  The local economy and ecology are affected, 
and even if it eventually goes ahead plans to build one are rightly 
subject to rigorous public scrutiny which usually takes years.  In 
many parts of the country it's hard to envisage where a reservoir 
could be located.

> Eloise asked in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21467 :
> 
> << two places called Wrotham and Trottiscliffe. Care to guess their
> pronunciation? >>
> 
> Plain wild guess: Rome and Triffid.

Wrotham is a hard one, unfair on Americans.  I can think of six 
legitimate sounding pronunciations of this, of which four are quite 
plausible.  I have no idea which is right, and if there is another 
Wrotham elsewhere in the country it could quite easily be pronounced 
differently.  Trottiscliffe is IMO easy and I will let you all go on 
guessing.

In Northumberland there is a town called Bellingham, pronounced 
Bellingjum; not far to the south, in Teesside, there's a town called 
Billingham, pronounced Billing-um.  There's no system to this: you 
just have to know it.  There are three pronunciations of the surname 
Waugh: to rhyme with cough, law and loch.

> I can understand how SeveNOaKS
> became Snooks,

You wha...?  I've never heard it pronounced anything other than 
Sevenoaks, i.e. as the number followed by the tree.  Eloise, you 
live down that way, don't you?  Some wily Brit was amusing himself 
at the expense of naive Americans, methinks.

In St Giles St in Oxford, there is a rather ornate memorial to the 
protestant martyrs (Cranmer etc) in the shape of a spire.  Next to 
it is an underground public toilet with steps leading down from the 
street.  It's a long established undergraduate prank to accost some 
gushing American tourist, ask if they want to see Oxford's 'famous 
sunken church', and point them at the steps down.  The trick may 
work with any ill-informed tourist, but traditionally some 
nationalities have been held to give more pleasure than others.

(The Cambridge prank against Japanese tourists would take us too far 
afield here.)

 but not quite how Featherstonehaugh became Fanshawe ...
> somehow that S traded places with the N ...  

Like 'ax' for 'ask'

> I (present imperfect tense of "to accumulate") 

am still accumulating

> 2) Why aren't Thunderbirds (aka Quetzalcoatls) in FANTASTIC BEASTS?

Because no-one was on Tracy Island when Newt called.  Next!

> 3) Are Boggarts (not in FB) Beings or Spirits? Are Dementors 
Beings or
> Spirits?

Or Beasts.  NS may not have caught 'em all.

> 4) Is the Ministry of Magic part of the Muggle government? If it's
> separate, how is the Minister of Magic selected?

Ministry *of* magic; Minister *for* magic.  Don't know why but it 
makes perfect sense when you consider that nearly every country has 
idiosyncratic names for government high office.
 
> At what age do witches hit the change
> of life? 

Is 'menopause' not a word in common use in the US?

> 16) Is Blaise Zabini a boy or a girl?

Boy.  He is *so* a boy.

> [OoP answered: Percy is not short for Percival]

And in general if someone British is called Percy I'd say the 
presumption is that it is not short for anything. 

> 26) Did the Slinkhard DADA textbook demonstrate what you, Ms. 
Rowling,
> think of non-violence in real life Muggle situations?

Excellent question that.

David




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 10:25:07 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 05:25:07 EST
Subject: Pronunciation of Aberforth (was:Re: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat
Message-ID: <d9.2e87d76.2d58ba03@aol.com>


> > ~Eloise
>  Who lives near two places called Wrotham and Trottiscliffe. Care to 
> guess 
> > their pronunciation?

Ms. Tattersall:
> Rootum and Trosley.
> Not bad for a monolingual American and a Texan as well!
> 

What amazing guessing! You must have some kind of second sight! (More tripe, 
Sybill?<g>)  Can you do that thing where you know what someone's drawn on a 
piece of paper sealed in an envelope? Can you tell me what this week's National 
Lottery numbers will be?

~Eloise


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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 10:46:00 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 05:46:00 EST
Subject: (Pronunciation) Re: Summer Weather / monolingual / Questions for JKR
Message-ID: <1c5.14397114.2d58bee8@aol.com>

Rita:
>> I can understand how SeveNOaKS
>> became Snooks,

David:
>You wha...? I've never heard it pronounced anything other than
>Sevenoaks, i.e. as the number followed by the tree. Eloise, you
>live down that way, don't you? Some wily Brit was amusing himself
>at the expense of naive Americans, methinks.
    
Sorry for not combining. Yep, sure do. Half my children are at a school there 
(which has Sevenoaks as part of its name) and I can assure you that it is 
pronounced as written, with a slight emphasis on the first syllable.

David again:

>Wrotham is a hard one, unfair on Americans. 

<hangs head> 

I'm sorry. 

David:
>I can think of six legitimate sounding pronunciations of this, of which four 
are quite
>plausible. I have no idea which is right, and if there is another
>Wrotham elsewhere in the country it could quite easily be pronounced
>differently. 

True. Were any of them right? Actually the correct pronunciation isn't that 
obscure as there's a motorway junction there, so it gets mentioned on the radio 
from time to time.

David:
>Trottiscliffe is IMO easy and I will let you all go on
>guessing.

Too late! too late! Ms Tattersall's given the game away. ;-)

~Eloise

Whose family used to have a quote,

"'Too late! Too late!' the maiden cried and waved her wooden leg. And then 
she died."

And can never hear or use the phrase 'Too late!' without coming out with it.
And thinks that curious family phrases/quotes would make another good thread.


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Feb  9 11:28:55 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:28:55 -0000
Subject: (Pronunciation) Re: Summer Weather / monolingual / Questions for JKR
In-Reply-To: <1c5.14397114.2d58bee8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c07qto+sgfm@eGroups.com>

> David:
> >I can think of six legitimate sounding pronunciations of this, of 
which four 
> are quite
> >plausible. I have no idea which is right, and if there is another
> >Wrotham elsewhere in the country it could quite easily be 
pronounced
> >differently. 

Eloise:
> 
> True. Were any of them right? Actually the correct pronunciation 
isn't that 
> obscure as there's a motorway junction there, so it gets mentioned 
on the radio 
> from time to time.

None of them were right.  My six came from combining short and 
long 'o' sounds (rot, rote) with either a 't' sound or a voiced 
(them) or unvoiced (thumb) 'th' sound.  I didn't think of the 'oo' 
sound.  I'm afraid I don't listen to Radio Free Tunbridge Wells.
> 
> David:
> >Trottiscliffe is IMO easy and I will let you all go on
> >guessing.
> 
> Too late! too late! Ms Tattersall's given the game away. ;-)

In fact I was wrong about this (Trotscliff), too, so it wasn't 
*that* easy (I hope).

> And thinks that curious family phrases/quotes would make another 
good thread.

I'm sure we have a few of those but can't think of any off-hand 
except the rather feeble joke every time someone says something 
about putting the kettle on: 'It suits you,' 'you look silly in 
it,' 'I thought you looked underdressed,' 'isn't it too hot to 
wear?' etc.

David




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 12:51:23 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:51:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Summer Weather
In-Reply-To: <c06i6q+j7fm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040209125123.68610.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at wicca.net> wrote: > 
> 
> Sheryll wrote in
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21348
> :
> 
> << Summer can actually be quite warm here, with the
> Humidex rating
> occasionally taking it up to near 40 Celsius. >>
> 
> 40 degrees Centigrade :: 104 degrees Fahrenheit. I
> was afraid of 
> that -- hot, humid, unbearable Midwestern summer
> weather for
> ConventionAlley.  
> 
You forgot to note the 'occasionally' in that bit.
It'd not always that hot, else we would have broken
down and put in an air-conditioner along with the rest
of our renovations. 

Does kind of put rest to the stereotype of Canada as a
frozen country dotted with igloos, though, doesn't it?
:-D

Sheryll

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


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From mherrera at hsbc.com.br  Mon Feb  9 15:09:48 2004
From: mherrera at hsbc.com.br (Mariana HERRERA)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:09:48 -0300
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- more questions
Message-ID: <OF24845D8B.C02D87C3-ON03256E35.00524D50@ccp.br.hsbc>


Hello,

  First time here.

  I'd like to add some questions to the list, but if they're stupid, sorry
  about them:

  - How come Arthur Weasley got a job in a high rank in the muggle
  department (even being a muggle-lover) if he clearly is not familiar with
  muggles and their lives? He doesn't even know how to handle money....
  Didn't he have muggle studies at school?

  - In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that Petunia is his mother only
  living relative. Does he know this for sure, or he supposes?

  - In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that he has been watching him
  closely. Is he kinda spying on him?

  - If Dumbledore thought that Sirius was the Potters secret keeper, how
  come he was not surprised when Hagrid told him he borrowed his bike? By
  then, the attack had already occur?

  - Are we ever going to know about Dumbledore's life before Harry's
  events? If he's about 150 years, there's a lot of story...

  That's it.

  Thanks




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From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 15:44:48 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:44:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Chance for NEW CANON- more questions
In-Reply-To: <OF24845D8B.C02D87C3-ON03256E35.00524D50@ccp.br.hsbc>
Message-ID: <20040209154448.14751.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Mariana HERRERA <mherrera at hsbc.com.br> wrote:
- How come Arthur Weasley got a job in a high rank
in the muggle department (even being a muggle-lover)
if he clearly is not familiar with  muggles and their
lives? He doesn't even know how to handle money....
Didn't he have muggle studies at school?

Katie: Arthur *technically*  has a "high rank" in the
muggle department, but there are only two people in it
and most wizards consider it a joke.  It's not like he
has a lot of influence at the ministry because of this
position. Also, I would assume that a muggle studies
class would teach from the perspective Arthur already
has "look at all the things muggles have come up with
to live without magic" and wouldn't really explain
very much.

Mariana:
- In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that Petunia
is his mother only living relative. Does he know this
for sure, or he supposes?

Katie: Good question, but there's only a slim chance
JKR would answer it because it gives away a BIG plot
clue.

Mariana- In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that he has
been watching him closely. Is he kinda spying on him?

Katie: I think we know that Dumbledore has been spying
on him...think Mirror of Erised...

Mariana- If Dumbledore thought that Sirius was the
Potters secret keeper, how come he was not surprised
when Hagrid told him he borrowed his bike? By then,
the attack had already occur?

Katie:Yes, this is a good question, but probably not
an answerable one.  First, we don't know where Hagrid
was for 24 hours and this contains part of that
mystery and also, this is a one hour web chat and I
doubt she'd go into anything extensive.  That question
might get is a "Interesting point..." but no
definitive answer.

Mariana- Are we ever going to know about Dumbledore's
life before Harry's events? If he's about 150 years,
there's a lot of story...

Katie: Yet another good question, but not anything
that would help us figure things out...

Not trying to be harsh, just trying to point out the
things we need to watch for when posing questions for
the next chat.  They can't ask too specifically about
plot devices because she won't answer them and that's
a waste of the hour.  Since it only is an hour and out
of everyone who gets into the chat we might only get a
few questions in, they should be little ones that will
tell us something to help with theories.  Also if
they're too specific she might be able to get around
the answer. For example, when someone asked her if
Arabella Figg and Mrs. Figg are the same person, she
had to say yes.  But if someone had more specifically
asked something like, is Mrs. Figg a witch, she could
have said no.
For instance, you wouldn't want to ask if Mark Evans
is a wizard, but maybe just if he'll be in the future
books. And instead of asking if Sirius is really dead,
you should ask if we'll see him at all in the next two
books.  
The info we get from this may not be as specific as we
would like, but it's better than being told we have
interesting theories. And if we asked if Sirius was
really dead and she said yes, that wouldn't help at
all, but if we ask if we'll see him again and she says
yes...that could mean that he isn't really dead or
that Harry can talk to him through a painting or he'll
become a ghost or any other possibility.

~Katie, who really liked the question about Lupin's
peeling name on his bag...because if he had just put
it there, why would it be peeling?

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Feb  9 15:49:58 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:49:58 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- more questions
In-Reply-To: <OF24845D8B.C02D87C3-ON03256E35.00524D50@ccp.br.hsbc>
Message-ID: <c08a76+eltv@eGroups.com>

Mariana wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   First time here.

Welcome, Mariana!
> 
>   I'd like to add some questions to the list, but if they're 
stupid, sorry
>   about them:

No, I think these are good questions.

(Questions snipped as I have nothing to add.)

> Esta mensagem pode conter informa??es confidenciais e/ou 
privilegiadas. Se voc? n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada 
a receb?-la, n?o pode usar, copiar ou divulgar as informa??es nela 
contidas ou tomar qualquer a??o baseada nelas. Se voc? recebeu esta 
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> Comunica??es pela Internet n?o podem ser garantidas quanto ? 
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esta raz?o, n?o aceita responsabilidade por qualquer erro ou omiss?o 
no contexto da mensagem decorrente da transmiss?o via Internet.

No doubt a native speaker can tell from the idiom here but - are you 
from Brasil?  Portugal?  Somewhere else?  If you don't mind me 
asking?

David




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 16:48:28 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:48:28 -0000
Subject: Toothy trivia was: Re: NEW CANON- What['s Up with That?
In-Reply-To: <4025FC97.11214.3EB392@localhost>
Message-ID: <c08dks+rejo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
> 
> One major difference in dentistry between the US and most other 
> Western countries - not just Britain, it's just that Britain is one 
> of the other countries Americans have most knowledge of - has been 
> that in most countries, purely cosmetic dentistry has been fairly 
> uncommon until recently. Children typically wore braces and the 
> like only if there was a medical reason to do so - if their teeth 
> were so out of alignment has to cause bite difficulties etc.
> 
> In the US, purely cosmetic dentistry for children - when braces and 
> plates have been used to correct minor aesthetic flaws - has been 
> reasonably common since the 1960s. In most other countries, it 
> didn't start to take off until the 1980s, or even the 1990s.
> 
> > I have no idea how rotten our teeth are in comparison to others. 
> > But, for the record, I have no fillings and straight teeth. I 
regret 
> > to report though, that they are yellower than I would like <g>.
> 
> Actually British teeth tend to be as healthy as anyone elses on 
> earth - the historical differences are basically cosmetic.
> 
> 
>

Teeth can be a much of a fashion thing as anything else historically, 
and I present for your delectation or otherwise, the trivial and 
nerdy fact that in pre-Petrine Russia (that's before Peter the Great 
and social reform) court ladies at the Tsar's court of the Muscovite 
state BLACKENED their teeth as a fashion statement.  I believe this 
was to indicate sufficient wealth to be able to afford luxury items 
that would blacken one's teeth.  

This fashion stopped with the reign of Peter the Great who wanted 
Russia to be more western in style and outlook.  Whether or not this 
had also to do with the monarch's cute interest in practical 
dentistry or not, is unknown. 

Russia had NO dentists.  Peter discovered the science when on an 
incognito grand tour of Europe.  He became his own court dentist and 
also became extremely competent at extracting bad teeth - with the 
point of his sword.  Makes the film "Marathon Man" look fluffy by 
comparison, doesn't it?

June




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon Feb  9 17:44:53 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:44:53 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c07qto+sgfm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c08gul+sp0i@eGroups.com>

Eloise:
> > And thinks that curious family phrases/quotes would make 
another  good thread.<<

David: 
> I'm sure we have a few of those but can't think of any off-hand 
except the rather feeble joke every time someone says 
something  about putting the kettle on: 'It suits you,' 'you look silly 
in  it,' 'I thought you looked underdressed,' 'isn't it too hot to 
 wear?' etc.<


Pippin:
Every time someone says something about  'make me a 
sandwich':

'Okay, you're a sandwich'

Pippin




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 18:19:12 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:19:12 -0000
Subject: Too late, too late, the maiden cried
Message-ID: <c08iv0+t05a@eGroups.com>

Eloise
We have the same stupid phrase in our family, with a slight variation:
"Too late, too late, the maiden cried
"As she waved her wooden leg goodbye".

It must originate from somewhere, but I'm damned if I know where.

Sylvia




From TonyaMinton at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  9 18:40:54 2004
From: TonyaMinton at hotmail.com (tonyaminton)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:40:54 -0000
Subject: Toothy trivia the move on to body hair!!  :)
In-Reply-To: <c08dks+rejo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c08k7m+s416@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" 
<june.diamanti at b...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
> <drednort at a...> wrote:
> > 
> > One major difference in dentistry between the US and most other 
> > Western countries - not just Britain, it's just that Britain is 
one 
> > of the other countries Americans have most knowledge of - has 
been 
> > that in most countries, purely cosmetic dentistry has been fairly 
> > uncommon until recently. Children typically wore braces and the 
> > like only if there was a medical reason to do so - if their teeth 
> > were so out of alignment has to cause bite difficulties etc.
> > 
> > In the US, purely cosmetic dentistry for children - when braces 
and 
> > plates have been used to correct minor aesthetic flaws - has been 
> > reasonably common since the 1960s. In most other countries, it 
> > didn't start to take off until the 1980s, or even the 1990s.
> > 
> > > I have no idea how rotten our teeth are in comparison to 
others. 
> > > But, for the record, I have no fillings and straight teeth. I 
> regret 
> > > to report though, that they are yellower than I would like <g>.
> > 
> > Actually British teeth tend to be as healthy as anyone elses on 
> > earth - the historical differences are basically cosmetic.
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> Teeth can be a much of a fashion thing as anything else 
historically, 
> and I present for your delectation or otherwise, the trivial and 
> nerdy fact that in pre-Petrine Russia (that's before Peter the 
Great 
> and social reform) court ladies at the Tsar's court of the 
Muscovite 
> state BLACKENED their teeth as a fashion statement.  I believe this 
> was to indicate sufficient wealth to be able to afford luxury items 
> that would blacken one's teeth.  
> 
> This fashion stopped with the reign of Peter the Great who wanted 
> Russia to be more western in style and outlook.  Whether or not 
this 
> had also to do with the monarch's cute interest in practical 
> dentistry or not, is unknown. 
> 
> Russia had NO dentists.  Peter discovered the science when on an 
> incognito grand tour of Europe.  He became his own court dentist 
and 
> also became extremely competent at extracting bad teeth - with the 
> point of his sword.  Makes the film "Marathon Man" look fluffy by 
> comparison, doesn't it?
> 
> June

Now Tonya:

I have been trying to teach my 3 year old good dental hygiene!!  
Quite a challenge.  I always said that I would NEVER brush her teeth 
for her like I have seen some of my mom's friends do to their kids.  
Of course I have been eating my words on that!! She just has trouble 
getting all the teeth scrubbed well.  BUT I will never ever brush 
them for her in front of anyone else!!  The least I can do is not 
embarrass her!!  How do you teach kids to take care of these things??

Ok shall we move into under arm hair or leg hair on women??  As an 
American, I think it is a pain to keep up with shaving all the time 
BUT I sure don't like the wetness that goes along with the under arm 
hair.  I do like the look on my Hubby's face when he runs his hands 
over my smooth legs!!  

Opinions??  What do you all think??  

Tonya (who is very much been enjoying this conversation even though 
this is the first time I have contributed!!)




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 19:38:11 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:38:11 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c08gul+sp0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c08nj3+qc3r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> Eloise:
> > > And thinks that curious family phrases/quotes would make 
> another  good thread.<<
> 
> David: 
> > I'm sure we have a few of those but can't think of any off-hand 
> except the rather feeble joke every time someone says 
> something  about putting the kettle on: 'It suits you,' 'you look 
silly 
> in  it,' 'I thought you looked underdressed,' 'isn't it too hot to 
>  wear?' etc.<
> 
> 
> Pippin:
> Every time someone says something about  'make me a 
> sandwich':
> 
> 'Okay, you're a sandwich'
> 
> Pippin

Don't forget the ever-popular,  "I know you are, but what am I?"

Haggridd




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  9 19:48:51 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:48:51 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c08gul+sp0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c08o73+cuh6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> David: 
> > I'm sure we have a few of those but can't think of any off-hand 
> except the rather feeble joke every time someone says 
> something  about putting the kettle on: 'It suits you,' 'you look 
silly 
> in  it,' 'I thought you looked underdressed,' 'isn't it too hot to 
>  wear?' etc.<
> 
> 
> Pippin:
> Every time someone says something about  'make me a 
> sandwich':
> 
> 'Okay, you're a sandwich'


Jen: 

"See ya'"   "Not if I see you first" 

"Surely this can't be right"   "It is, and don't call me Shirley"







From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 20:53:34 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 20:53:34 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c08o73+cuh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c08s0e+tc7c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" 
<foxmoth at q...> 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Jen: 
> 
> "See ya'"   "Not if I see you first" 
> 
> "Surely this can't be right"   "It is, and don't call me Shirley"

Back to smoking days - alas gave up but - "Do you have a 
match?"  "Yes, your face and my arse!"

June




From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 21:31:29 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:31:29 -0000
Subject: Open letter to Joywitch (wasThe Chance for NEW CANON)
In-Reply-To: <c05pqb+3b8s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c08u7h+aa2b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:

> You might be interested to know that you are engaging in an 
activity 
> known (among aficionados) as 'canon discussion'.  May I invite you 
> to join a Yahoo discussion group called HPforGrownUps where we 
> discuss portkeys and much else?  We would be delighted to have you 
> join in.

Well, excuse me.  <puts hands on hips>  I suppose I wasn't being 
quite OFF-topic enough for you.  How's this:

If you ever find yourself in Mexico City, and you have to take the 
subway to the airport, make sure you get off at the stop 
called "Terminal," and NOT the stop called "Aeropuerto."  Aeropuerto 
is not, for some reason, actually at the Airport, whereas Terminal is.

There, David.  Is *that* irrelevant enough for you? <glares at David, 
sees David's look of mock surprise, can't maintain glare, starts 
laughing.>

Actually, I did realize that I was veering dangerously onto on-topic 
grounds, but the thought of going over to the main list is like the 
thought of getting on, well, the Mexico City subway at rush hour.  
There are so many people that you are always getting bounced from 
side to side with all the distractions, you can never find a seat and 
so your always exhausted and it's so noisy that you can barely hear 
yourself think and no one can hear you when you talk, even if you 
yell.

So there.  

--Joywitch




From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 21:40:42 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:40:42 -0000
Subject: Summer Weather /  monolingual / Questions for  JKR
In-Reply-To: <c06i6q+j7fm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c08uoq+74em@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...>, the Queen of Combining wrote about a 
zillion different things, and asked this question (for JKR):
 
> 2) Why aren't Thunderbirds (aka Quetzalcoatls) in FANTASTIC BEASTS?

My guess would be because the quetzalcoatl is a real bird.  I've seen 
one.  It was very beautiful.  I don't know if they have any magic 
powers, but I didn't notice any.  (Then again, I wouldn't, would I?)  
Are they really called thunderbirds?

--Joywitch




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 21:56:34 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:56:34 EST
Subject: More family quotes (was: Too late, too late, the maiden cried)
Message-ID: <1a9.1fe88c88.2d595c12@aol.com>

Sylvia:

> We have the same stupid phrase in our family, with a slight variation:
> "Too late, too late, the maiden cried
> "As she waved her wooden leg goodbye".
> 
> It must originate from somewhere, but I'm damned if I know where.

Wow! That's amazing! Yes, it *must originate somewhere. To be honest I've 
been meaning to contact the "Quote Unquote" (a British radio quiz show) website 
to see if I can trace it.
The best I've done so far is that it is the name of a historical crime novel 
by a novelist called Joan Fleming. I assume she got it from some Victorian 
source. Sounds like some kind of penny dreadful or melodrama, or a parody 
thereof.

I have some others. Perhaps I just come from an odd family.

The strangest must be another quote from somewhere, I'd guess it's from an 
old radio show, but I really don't know. When I was a child, the question, "What 
are you doin'?" was invariably answered by, "Pickin' a cuin [no idea how to 
spell that: rhymes with doin']. Do you want the shell?"

Two from my Lancashire grandmother:

Of any object that had fallen to the ground before use: "It's been on the 
floor; it'll suit".

Of a minor fault or blemish: "A man on a galloping horse won't notice" (I use 
that one quite frequently).

>From my father's (southern) family:

Of someone standing in the way "Your father was no glazier!" (IOW, I can't 
see through you).

And my grandmother's tales of people she had known invariably ended, "And 
s/he died."

And from personal (I think) experience of asking directions somewhere, a 
frequent answer of my father's to "How do I get to...?" was (in country yokel 
accent), "Follow the 'aystacks"

~Eloise


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From pjcousins at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 10 00:04:09 2004
From: pjcousins at btinternet.com (confusinglyso)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:04:09 -0000
Subject: Crazy Confusing COUSIN THING
Message-ID: <c0975p+opim@eGroups.com>

A COUSIN has a natural tendency to be COnfUSINg


sorry this post is late but only just caught up


Phil  (confusinglyso)




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 00:36:53 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:36:53 -0000
Subject: Black Mansion: Questions you aren't suppose to ask but do anyway.
Message-ID: <c09935+a6om@eGroups.com>

I considered putting this in the main group, but it's a little too
speculative, so I'm shifting it over here.

This regards that Black Mansion and other magical dwellings mixed in
among the muggle dwellings.

The Black house seems to be in a very rundown neighborhood in London,
although it is still residential, and has good access to rail (King's
Cross Station) and the subway.

One of two things typically happen to neighborhoods like this.

First is the likelihood that real estate prices becomes so high in
London that people will look at any place for an affordable house to
buy. Given how rundown the Grimmauld Place neighborhood is, it's
likely candidate. Once real estate developers discover an old
neighborhood that has potential, they usually move in, buy up
everything, kick the people out, and convert the basic flats to fancy
townhomes and condos which they in turn sell at hyper inflated prices. 

Some one told me Docklands area of London was like this, old
warehouses and rundown flats that have been remade into a yuppy
neighborhood.

The alternative, and this usually happens when the land developer can
prove that the buildings have no real historical significants, is to
level the whole block and turn it into a mini-mall or other commercial
building.

Either way, it causes problems for Grimmauld Place. If they level
everything and build a mall, then 12 Grimmauld Place could end up
located right in the middle of the latest 'Marks & Sparks' store
(Marks and Spences - the best place to buy your knickers). 

Personally, in my own little private somewhat warped HP world, Ron is
trying to talk Fred and George into using their vast wealth to
redevelope the area as townhomes and condos in order to assure
themselves that the city won't condem the block an go the Mini-Mall route.

That aside, I have to believe that situations like this have occurred
before. So, do you think they would develop right over 12 Grimmauld
Place without even noticing it, or do you think this would cause
problems big time for both the muggles and the Ministry?

Just one of those crazy thoughts that popped into my head.

bboy_mn




From mckosvc at bmts.com  Tue Feb 10 00:41:21 2004
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:41:21 -0000
Subject: More family quotes (was: Too late, too late, the maiden cried)
In-Reply-To: <1a9.1fe88c88.2d595c12@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c099bh+oboj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> Sylvia:
> 
>> > "Too late, too late, the maiden cried
> > "As she waved her wooden leg goodbye".
> > 
>  "What 
> are you doin'?" was invariably answered by, "Pickin' a cuin [no 
idea how to 
> spell that: rhymes with doin']. Do you want the shell?"
> 
> Two from my Lancashire grandmother:
> 
> Of any object that had fallen to the ground before use: "It's been 
on the 
> floor; it'll suit".
> 
> Of a minor fault or blemish: "A man on a galloping horse won't 
notice" (I use 
> that one quite frequently).
> 
> From my father's (southern) family:
> 
> Of someone standing in the way "Your father was no glazier!" (IOW, 
I can't 
> see through you).
> 
> And my grandmother's tales of people she had known invariably 
ended, "And 
> s/he died."
> 
> And from personal (I think) experience of asking directions 
somewhere, a 
> frequent answer of my father's to "How do I get to...?" was (in 
country yokel 
> accent), "Follow the 'aystacks"
> 
> ~Eloise
> 
  I don't think these are all that unique to our family, but are 
commonly used.

"Madder than a wet hen"

"Not the sharpest tool in the shed" or "one neuron short of a 
synapse" (to refer to someone dull witted.)

"Don't get your knickers in a knot" (don't get upset)

"Make hay while the sun shines" (Take advantage of an opportunity 
when it presents itself)

In response to the question "Have you lived here all your life" 
(frequently asked by city people who find farmers and their 
lifestyle "quaint"), one is required to reply "Not yet." 


MMcK.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 00:50:00 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:50:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday x 2!
Message-ID: <20040210005000.54463.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>

*surveys the decorations with satisfaction, knowing
she was right that it's too early to drag out all the
hearts and flowers*

Today's birthday honouree is mimi and we also have
belated wishes for Emeline, who celebrated on the 5th.
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to mimi at: mimian16 at edsamail.com.ph and
Emeline at: emy_vance at yahoo.fr

I hope you both had wonderful days, filled with joy
and happiness.

Happy Birthday, mimi!
Happy Birthday, Emeline!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, with sincere apologies to
Emeline for the lateness of the wishes

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


______________________________________________________________________ 
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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Tue Feb 10 02:28:42 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:28:42 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c08s0e+tc7c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c09fkq+2qqh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" 
<june.diamanti at b...> wrote:
> Back to smoking days - alas gave up but - "Do you have a 
> match?"  "Yes, your face and my arse!"

A politer version: "Do you have a match?"
"Not since Superman/Wonder Woman died."

MsTatt




From mrsbrooksathome at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 02:06:18 2004
From: mrsbrooksathome at yahoo.com (mrsbrooksathome)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:06:18 -0000
Subject: Hi!
Message-ID: <c09eaq+f70f@eGroups.com>

Just introducing myself to you guys.  I hope that I can become an 
active part of the list, so I guess I better hop to it,huh?  My name 
is Stephanie, though most just call me Steph,and I am 20 years old,  
and I actually got into the HP books when my best friend gave me two 
of them as a wedding present! I am also an Outlander devotee, though 
I love to read anything i can get my hands on!





From stanleys at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 10 02:50:39 2004
From: stanleys at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:50:39 -0000
Subject: Black Mansion: Questions you aren't suppose to ask but do anyway.
In-Reply-To: <c09935+a6om@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c09gtv+94jg@eGroups.com>

snip> That aside, I have to believe that situations like this have 
occurred
> before. So, do you think they would develop right over 12 Grimmauld
> Place without even noticing it, or do you think this would cause
> problems big time for both the muggles and the Ministry?
> 
> Just one of those crazy thoughts that popped into my head.
> 
> bboy_mn

This brings up a very interesting point.  Is there someone or some 
group who monitor the homes in England so that all magical people and 
homes can be found?  We know, of course, that individuals can hide 
from the ministry, but what about their homes.  In Harry's hearing 
someone from mentioned that they did not know of any other magical 
people living in Little Whining but what about other places?  Is 
there a registry in the MOM that tracks all wizard dwellings, even if 
they are unplottable?  

It opens up a whole new set of problems!

Sue




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Mon Feb  9 22:30:14 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne Dragon)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:30:14 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Summer Weather /  monolingual / Questions for  JKR
References: <c08uoq+74em@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c3ef5c$4a0b7380$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>

Catlady

(Rita Prince Winston) 2) Why aren't Thunderbirds (aka Quetzalcoatls) in
FANTASTIC BEASTS?

My guess would be because the quetzalcoatl is a real bird.  I've seen
one.  It was very beautiful.  I don't know if they have any magic
powers, but I didn't notice any.  (Then again, I wouldn't, would I?)
Are they really called thunderbirds


{Anne}

There is a real bird called Quetzalcoatyl.

Quetzacoatyl is also the name of an Aztec god (AKA, the Feathered Serpent),
who was the kindest and most benevolent of that blood thirsty group's
pantheon. Many Mexican legends state that he is a protector of the people,
and is the antithesis to "Smoking Mirror", or Tetzcalepolca  (sorry, I cant
spell the Jaguar God's formal name properly--that was a phonetic attempt at
spelling it...^^;). One legend states that some day he would ride out of the
eastern ocean to save the people in thier time of need...Cortez took
advantage of this myth when he and his men landed in Central America looking
for gold, and let the natives believe he was indeed thier risen god to make
it easier to gain access to thier lands....

The Thunderbird is a North American entity believed to be made of Spirit and
Thunder. They appear in the sky when Evil is around in order to fight
it--thier most common description is that they have pale heads, silvery eyes
that flare lightening, and dark bodies--rather similar to the Northern Bald
eagle, actually (A sacred bird in its own right). You cannot summon a
Thunderbird (They are considered both a single entity as well as an entire
race)--they will only come to you if Great Spirit deems it necassary.

My guess is that neither creature is included because they are Native
American myths, and Rowling has little source material for them...unlike
with entities such as Trolls, the original race of elves (little people,
brownies, etc), centaurs and the like, which are all deeply engrained in the
myths and legends of Europe where she lives. She spends very little time in
developing anything from the Americas in fact, and the longest mention I've
seen of them is in 'Quidditch Through the Ages' where she basically states
that thier sports are vastly different...






From punkieshazam at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 03:51:42 2004
From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:51:42 -0000
Subject: Teeth (was NEW CANON)
In-Reply-To: <c038mo+m0gn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c09kge+p8ar@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
 
> David, wondering when dyed teeth will be fashionable

Punkie:

Wow! I have just had a lot of fun thinking up ways to make teeth 
really groovy as we used to say in the 60's. Teeth could be checkered 
by painting the top teeth alternately in contrasting colors and 
staggering the colors on the bottom teeth. Using three colors, 
stripes could be made. The product could be called tooth polish. I 
can see a small bottle complete with brush. Oh wait, I think some 
company already has tooth polish. Oh well. Guess Martha Stewart will 
just have to keep on doing the same old thing.

Punkie

It's not even 9 pm yet. Maybe I should just call it a night.




From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 04:00:14 2004
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 04:00:14 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c08s0e+tc7c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c09l0e+93pb@eGroups.com>

We use this one all the time:

"I got a haircut."

"Which one?"

<Picking out a random hair> "This one."

Haggridd mentioned "I know you are but what am I?"

so I'll add these:

It takes one to know one.

I'm rubber.  You're glue.  Whatever you say bounces off me and 
sticks to you.

KathyK, who liked using these when they worked in her favor but 
thought they were the *dumbest* arguments when others used them 
against her




From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr  Tue Feb 10 06:02:11 2004
From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:02:11 -0000
Subject: Open letter to Joywitch (wasThe Chance for NEW CANON)
In-Reply-To: <c08u7h+aa2b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c09s53+ol03@eGroups.com>

> Well, excuse me.  <puts hands on hips>  I suppose I wasn't being 
> quite OFF-topic enough for you.  How's this:
> 
> If you ever find yourself in Mexico City, and you have to take the 
> subway to the airport, make sure you get off at the stop 
> called "Terminal," and NOT the stop called "Aeropuerto."  Aeropuerto 
> is not, for some reason, actually at the Airport, whereas Terminal is.
> 

And the tricky thing is that Terminal is closed quite often, so you have to go down at the 
station before and then cross a 4x4 highway.

> There, David.  Is *that* irrelevant enough for you? <glares at David, 
> sees David's look of mock surprise, can't maintain glare, starts 
> laughing.>
> 
> Actually, I did realize that I was veering dangerously onto on-topic 
> grounds, but the thought of going over to the main list is like the 
> thought of getting on, well, the Mexico City subway at rush hour.  
> There are so many people that you are always getting bounced from 
> side to side with all the distractions, you can never find a seat and 
> so your always exhausted and it's so noisy that you can barely hear 
> yourself think and no one can hear you when you talk, even if you 
> yell.
> 
> So there.  
> 

Oh come on Joywitch, an old and respectable lady like you entering the main list would 
imediately silence whatever is being said and everyone will listen religiously, even the CD 
salers that yell "dies pesos" all throughout Zocalo to Terminal.

Olivier (who hopes no offence is being taken for "old and respectable", I meant list-wise of 
course)






From puju02 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 04:28:47 2004
From: puju02 at yahoo.co.uk (Puja)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:58:47 +0530
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- more questions
References: <OF24845D8B.C02D87C3-ON03256E35.00524D50@ccp.br.hsbc>
Message-ID: <000c01c3ef8f$ae832d20$76ca5ecb@puja>

Mariana HERRERA wrote:
  - In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that Petunia is his mother only
    living relative. Does he know this for sure, or he supposes?

    - In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that he has been watching him
    closely. Is he kinda spying on him?

  - Are we ever going to know about Dumbledore's life before Harry's
    events? If he's about 150 years, there's a lot of story...

  Puju02 replies:
  Considering that Dumbledore has seen a lot in life, way before even Harry's parents were born, I think he'll be pretty sure who Harry's living relatives are. He was also very close to the Potters. 
  We also know in OoTP that Petunia knows about dementors and Dumbledore (he sent the howler "remember my last")
  Last what? I can't help feeling there is some more serious connection of Dumbledore with Potters than just being Hogwarts headmaster. Dumbledore is not spying on Harry but is keeping a keen eye on him coz I feel he conceals secrets that we're not yet aware of. I guess JKR has reserved all these explanations for the next two books.
  - I don't think we'll know too much about Dumbledore's life since the book is based on Harry Potter. But I sure wish we do.
  Thanks
  Puja



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From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 08:36:11 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:36:11 -0000
Subject: More family quotes (was: Too late, too late, the maiden cried)
In-Reply-To: <c099bh+oboj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0a55r+pi2n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ovc88guelph" <mckosvc at b...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> > Sylvia:
> > 
> >> > "Too late, too late, the maiden cried
> > > "As she waved her wooden leg goodbye".
> > > 
> >  "What 
> > are you doin'?" was invariably answered by, "Pickin' a cuin [no 
> idea how to 
> > spell that: rhymes with doin']. Do you want the shell?"
> > 
> > Two from my Lancashire grandmother:
> > 
> > Of any object that had fallen to the ground before use: "It's 
been 
> on the 
> > floor; it'll suit".
> > 
> > Of a minor fault or blemish: "A man on a galloping horse won't 
> notice" (I use 
> > that one quite frequently).
> > 
> > From my father's (southern) family:
> > 
> > Of someone standing in the way "Your father was no glazier!" 
(IOW, 
> I can't 
> > see through you).
> > 
> > And my grandmother's tales of people she had known invariably 
> ended, "And 
> > s/he died."
> > 
> > And from personal (I think) experience of asking directions 
> somewhere, a 
> > frequent answer of my father's to "How do I get to...?" was (in 
> country yokel 
> > accent), "Follow the 'aystacks"
> > 
> > ~Eloise
> > 
>   I don't think these are all that unique to our family, but are 
> commonly used.
> 
> "Madder than a wet hen"
> 
> "Not the sharpest tool in the shed" or "one neuron short of a 
> synapse" (to refer to someone dull witted.)
> 
> "Don't get your knickers in a knot" (don't get upset)
> 
> "Make hay while the sun shines" (Take advantage of an opportunity 
> when it presents itself)
> 
> In response to the question "Have you lived here all your life" 
> (frequently asked by city people who find farmers and their 
> lifestyle "quaint"), one is required to reply "Not yet." 
> 
> 
> MMcK.

My mum's classic:

Me:  "what's for dinner?"

Her: "A walk round the table and a kick at the cat"

June




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 08:41:03 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:41:03 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c09l0e+93pb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0a5ev+jnpu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "KathyK" <zanelupin at y...> 
wrote:
> We use this one all the time:
> 
> "I got a haircut."
> 
> "Which one?"
> 
> <Picking out a random hair> "This one."
> 
> Haggridd mentioned "I know you are but what am I?"
> 
> so I'll add these:
> 
> It takes one to know one.
> 
> I'm rubber.  You're glue.  Whatever you say bounces off me and 
> sticks to you.
> 
> KathyK, who liked using these when they worked in her favor but 
> thought they were the *dumbest* arguments when others used them 
> against her

Surreal ones were as follows:

"Who's that?"

"Me"

"No - I'm me, you are you"

Another - origin and meaning lost in the mists of time:

"Dad where are you going?"

"To see Charlie Icecake"

(No I dunno what it means either - I think it was grown-up for "mind 
your own business").

June




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 09:04:39 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:04:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Black Mansion: Questions you aren't suppose to ask but do anyway.
In-Reply-To: <c09935+a6om@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040210090439.75913.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



Steve <bboy_mn at yahoo.com> wrote:
I considered putting this in the main group, but it's a little too
speculative, so I'm shifting it over here.

This regards that Black Mansion and other magical dwellings mixed in
among the muggle dwellings.

The Black house seems to be in a very rundown neighborhood in London,
although it is still residential, and has good access to rail (King's
Cross Station) and the subway.

One of two things typically happen to neighborhoods like this.

First is the likelihood that real estate prices becomes so high in
London that people will look at any place for an affordable house to
buy. Given how rundown the Grimmauld Place neighborhood is, it's
likely candidate. Once real estate developers discover an old
neighborhood that has potential, they usually move in, buy up
everything, kick the people out, and convert the basic flats to fancy
townhomes and condos which they in turn sell at hyper inflated prices. 

Some one told me Docklands area of London was like this, old
warehouses and rundown flats that have been remade into a yuppy
neighborhood.

The alternative, and this usually happens when the land developer can
prove that the buildings have no real historical significants, is to
level the whole block and turn it into a mini-mall or other commercial
building.

Either way, it causes problems for Grimmauld Place. If they level
everything and build a mall, then 12 Grimmauld Place could end up
located right in the middle of the latest 'Marks & Sparks' store
(Marks and Spences - the best place to buy your knickers). 

Personally, in my own little private somewhat warped HP world, Ron is
trying to talk Fred and George into using their vast wealth to
redevelope the area as townhomes and condos in order to assure
themselves that the city won't condem the block an go the Mini-Mall route.

That aside, I have to believe that situations like this have occurred
before. So, do you think they would develop right over 12 Grimmauld
Place without even noticing it, or do you think this would cause
problems big time for both the muggles and the Ministry?

Just one of those crazy thoughts that popped into my head.

Udder_P_D here

Property developers in the UK can not just move in and buy everything, it generally would take years and without the consent of the of the owners they would have a problem especially if said owners could do memory charms.

Udder Pendrogon



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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 09:47:45 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:47:45 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c0a5ev+jnpu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0a9c1+aton@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" 
<june.diamanti at b...> wrote:
 
> Another - origin and meaning lost in the mists of time:
> 
> "Dad where are you going?"
> 
> "To see Charlie Icecake"
> 
> (No I dunno what it means either - I think it was grown-up 
for "mind 
> your own business").
> 
> June

"To see Charlie Icecake" is a reference to the round white icy-
looking deoderant cakes placed in each urinal in public mens' 
rooms.  It means to relieve oneself.

Other variants-- for which I have no origins-- are:

To see a man about a dog.

To see a man about a horse. 

To spend a penny (pay toilet?)

Haggridd







From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 10:24:00 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:24:00 -0000
Subject: New Canon- Replies to EVERYONE
In-Reply-To: <c0274b+k7bm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0abg0+sq1l@eGroups.com>

Wow, there's a lot to read when you're away for a weekend!  I took a 
page from Catlady's book and just put all of these replies into one 
post, and also I probably didn't snip nearly enough. 

 Anyway, everyone just scroll down until you see your name.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEVE 

> > Erin wrote:
> > Gaaah! No one likes that question except me! Well, I don't care.
> > It's my question, I'm keeping it on there, <snip>

Steve replied:
> Also, I wasn't trying to shoot down your question, I was trying to
> answer it, or at least give a plausable and likely answer.
 
> Erin:
> LOL, Steve, I know I said "What's up with" a couple times, once for
> the teeth and once for the socks. Are you mocking me? 
> bboy_mn:
>  
>  Steve:
> Sorry, the 'what's up with that' was mostly my weird sense of 
humor, I was mocking but not you specifically. <snip>
> 
> The reason for the long drawn our explanations for each question, 
was because that's how I would like to ask JKR, in a long detailed
> conversation over tea, clotted cream, strawberry jam, and scones. 
<snip> Also, I thought it might open some general discussion here in 
the group on travel in the wizard world. 


Erin now:  
Sorry for coming off as so antagonistic-- both to you and to 
Joywitch.  What I'm learning is that I shouldn't write posts when 
it's late at night and I'm mad at RL people for RL things.  Again 
sorry.  I do appreciate your (and everyone else's) to explain the 
teeth to me.  I know you were trying to help, but I'm afraid I'll 
just never quite "get" it.  I want the whole world to have perfect 
teeth!  

The "are you mocking me?" question was actually supposed to be sort 
of funny too, but I forgot to put in any modifiers to clue you in on 
that.  I noticed another thread sprung up yesterday on funny sayings 
in people's families; this is actually one of mine.  It's meant to be 
said in a high, funny voice, as if you were completely flabbergasted 
and outraged.  Sort of like- "Are you *gasp* mocking me???"

The explanations were actually very informative and all, but as a 
girl to whom all forms of *muggle* transportation also seem like 
magic (about all I know is that the thing under the hood is called an 
engine), my attitude is more, "as long as it gets you there, who 
cares how it works?"  Good questions though, and they are added.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JOYWITCH:

Erin first:
Now, let's see... <eg> four questions you conceeded on, 
three "neutral", and... well, I *guess* I could be nice and give you 
Tom Riddle, in light of the follow-up post... <hastily counts on 
fingers>... this means...   I won! I won! Yayyy!  If only you could 
see my happy little victory dance...

Joywitch from before:
The problem is, we don't know what those charms are called. I'm
thinking of the spell Dumbledore uses to conjure up the squishy
purple sleeping bags (POA), and the chair at Christmas dinner (POA)
and the chairs at Harry's hearing (OOP), which he doesn without
saying anything. McGonagall also conjures up some chairs in OOP with
just a flick of her wand. Are they just so good at Summoning Spells
that they don't have to even say "accio?" Or are they actually
creating something?

Erin:
Dang, you're right.  No names for the spells definitely puts a damper 
on the questions.  Maybe we could ask for the name of the spell 
Dumbledore uses to conjure the sleeping bags. Hmm, but then I don't 
want to make her think too deeply on the spot like that. So just say 
something like "When Dumbledore conjures the sleeping bags in PoA, 
has he summoned them *from* somewhere, or actually created them? 

BTW, I personally think that he created them, and that created-out-of-
air objects have a limited lifespan, but, well, my opinion doesn't 
really mean anything.

I also wanted to say how much I appreciated the alternate 
explanations for the Portkey debacle.  Honestly, I can take *some* 
FLINTS, but if an entire *book* is written around one (in addition to 
the time-travel in PoA, which has its own issues) I have to really 
start questioning that I'm spending a significant portion of time 
thinking about the work of some blonde bimbo children's author.  
Having an entire *three* explanations to choose from helps me keep 
that at bay.  And now that we, the fans, have so kindly thought all 
these explanations out for her, hopefully JKR will utilize one of 
them and explain it in a future interview or book, thus laying all my 
doubts to rest.

Joywitch:
Snape is SO a vampire! I refuse to have it any other way. If JKR says 
he's not, she's just wrong! Pippin and I know the truth!
 
Erin: 
Though I'm torn on the actual issue of vampirism (vampires are cool, 
and Snape does have some of the traits-- but I want him to end up 
happy, and vampirism offers a smaller chance of that) I know the 
exact feeling you are expressing.  There are times when I get the 
feeling that JKR just doesn't apperciate Snape as much as *I* do! 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARTHA

Martha comments:
To be honest, I get the impression that whatever we ask, we won't be
satisfied with the answer, regardless of how careful we are to phrase
the questions the right way. :-) 
<snip>
Whatever answer she gives, we'll rip it apart.

Erin:
So true, so true.  And yet we'll have such fun doing it!  I mean, 
it's been seven months since we had anything new to rip apart, you 
know?  And I think our questions at least have a better chance of at 
least partially satisfying us than the questions of the uninformed.  
I think it's worth a shot, and I'll consider it a success if even one 
of the questions makes the chat.

Martha:
Also, there are plenty of things I expect some people just don't want
to know. I am a dedicated Sirius/Remus shipper and would never dream
of asking JKR for confirmation of that ship, since if she said "no,
they're not a couple and never have been" my heart would break.
That's just an example, but you get the idea.

Erin:
Yeah, that is one question that I hope she *never* gets asked.  
Totally with you there.  Personally I choose to interpret Remus 
moving in with Sirius in OoP as JKR showing as much support for the 
SHIP as she is able to.

Martha:
And if we ask:

> Will Mark Evans (the ten-year-old Dudley beat up at the beginning
> of OoP) show up in the next books at all?

I think we'll either get a "no" (unlikely) or a "well-spotted".
Rememeber all that discussion of Arabella Figg, pre-OoP? In an
interview, someone asked is the "Arabella Figg" mentioned my
Dumbledore at the end of GoF and the "Mrs Figg" Harry sometimes
stayed with were the same person. I believe the answer was "well
spotted!", which led to months of debate as to whether she was a
beautiful young witch drinking polyjuice potion to look like an old
lady, or Dumbledore's girlfriend, or Harry's great-aunt, or this or
that.

Erin:
Do I remember Mrs. Figg?  Oh, yes indeed, I remember Mrs. Figg.  But 
I would much rather have Mark Evans be a Mrs. Figg than say, a 
Florence.  Remember  Florence?  The girl from the Pensieve about whom 
elaborate theories on top of theories on top of theories were spun, 
enough to build entire palaces of air upon?  Only to have her 
_not_even_show_up_  in OoP?

Right now, I'm pretty much sick of discussing Mark Evans on the main 
list.  Last time I looked, they were just starting to bring in the 
time turner....  I just skip past those posts as things stand.  

So I want to know, one way or another.  If we get that "well 
spotted", then he's a Mrs. Figg, and at least there is basis for 
speculation, and I'll be able to enjoy the discussions again.  If the 
answer is "no", then the discussions will stop.  Either way, I'll be 
happier then I am now.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DAVID

David:
Interesting. The gulf is more than I supposed, especially as you
more or less equated 'bad' teeth with poor hygiene in your pervious
post. To me describing Karkaroff's teeth as yellow may indicate
that he smokes (I think only Dudley for sure smokes out of all the
characters), but it's just description. Snape, hair, dark, teeth,
yellow; Karkaroff, hair, grey, teeth, yellow.

Erin:
Lol, it may not be so much an American thing as an "Erin" thing.  Bad 
teeth are almost an - obsession? - phobia?- of mine, except maybe not 
quite that strong.  I don't have a problem with other bodily 
imperfections the way I do with bad teeth.  I hadn't considered the 
thing about the description; you're right, she is an author, so it 
makes sense that she's just decribing them.  But it is strange that 
she feels the need to tell us the state of Karkaroff's- a minor 
character's- teeth when she has not even described Ron's eye color in 
any of the five books.  And in Snape's case, the teeth do seem to 
come with a general lack of hygiene, i.e. the greasy hair.  

Come to think of it, when she describes both Sirius and Karkaroff as 
having yellow teeth, those are in a sort of negative context also.  
Sirius is described as having the teeth in PoA, before he is revealed 
to be a good guy, in a way that lends to his general air of menace.  
She never describes them again in any other book.  Karkaroff she is 
trying to establish as one of the suspects for putting Harry's name 
in the goblet in GoF.

David:
But you seem to be making the mental leap from 'yellow' to 'bad'
with no consciousness of making it.

Erin:
I understand that yellow doesn't mean rotten, but in my book yellow 
teeth are a Bad Thing.  Therefore I describe yellow as "bad".  
Slightly off-white is one thing, but actively yellow is another 
altogether.

David:
As for Hagrid, people here do tend to wear false teeth if they have
gaps, but I think we have to wait until the next book to be sure he
has rejected that option. The WW being what it is, he may have
difficulty getting treatment on the grounds that his teeth are
inapproproately large.

Erin:
Surely they could just use an engorgement charm, though?  I mean, if 
they can shrink Hermione's....  No, I'm more worried that he'll have 
difficulty getting treatment just because the WW doesn't treat dental 
problems at all.

Minister "for" Magic-- I have noticed that sometimes people write it 
this way, but in all my books it is Minister of Magic.  Is this 
different in the British version?  (Minister of Magic makes way more 
sense to me, BTW)

Oh, and Joywitch wasn't engaging in canon discussion, nothing of the 
sort.  What she was doing was reassuring me that I'm not a total 
idiot who spends a significant amount of her free time fascinated 
with an author who writes an entire book around one horrible glaring 
plot hole.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CATLADY

Catlady wrote:
I'm sure she thinks she already answered the limits of Apparation in
QTTA: "[The Oakshaft 79] will always be remembered as the broom used
in the first ever Atlantic broom crossing, by Jocunda Sykes in 1935.
(Before that time, wizards preferred to take ships rather than to
trust broomsticks over such distances. Apparation becomes increasingly
unreliable over very long distances, and only highly skilled wizards
are wise to attempt it across continents." page 48).

Erin:
ooh, that's quite a good quote.  Steve, if you've read this far down, 
what do you think?  Should we take apparating off and just leave Floo 
Network and Portkeys on the question?

Ok, I will sort through all the questions to see what to add 
tommorrow, I'm skipping that bit for now.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mariana HERRERA


Mariana:
Hello,
First time here.

Erin:
Welcome!  Hope you like it here, it's good to see new people.


Mariana:
- How come Arthur Weasley got a job in a high rank in the muggle
department (even being a muggle-lover) if he clearly is not familiar 
with muggles and their lives? He doesn't even know how to handle 
money....
Didn't he have muggle studies at school?

Erin:
I like this one, but with your permission, I'd like to change it a 
bit, to something about how come Arthur hasn't learned more about 
Muggles after working in a muggle department for so long.  OoP (when 
Harry, Ron, and Hermione were looking at careers) explained that 
wizards working with muggles weren't required to have very many OWLS 
or know very much about them at all.


Mariana:
- In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that Petunia is his mother only
living relative. Does he know this for sure, or he supposes?

Erin:
This is quite a good general question, and one that all of us here 
would love to know the answer to, but the purpose of the list is to 
ask stuff JKR will actually give answers to, and, sadly, I doubt that 
she will answer this, beyond saying something like "wait and see".  
It's just too close to the mystery at the heart of the story.


Mariana:
- In OotP, Dumbledore says to Harry that he has been watching him
closely. Is he kinda spying on him?

Erin:
Dumbledore basically admitted to spying on Harry several places in 
the books.  In PS/SS, he says at the mirror of Erised that he doesn't 
need an invisibility cloak to become invisible. He has Mrs. Figg and 
Mundungus Fletcher keeping an eye on Harry in the summer of OoP. So I 
would say, yes, he's spying.  Kinda creepy, huh?


Mariana:
- If Dumbledore thought that Sirius was the Potters secret keeper, how
come he was not surprised when Hagrid told him he borrowed his bike? 
By then, the attack had already occur?

Erin:
I like this one.  It goes on the list.


Mariana:
- Are we ever going to know about Dumbledore's life before Harry's
events? If he's about 150 years, there's a lot of story...

Erin:
Or heck, I would be satisfied to just find out more about 
Dumbledore's fight with Grindelwald.  I'll put this on the list as 
well.  Good questions, Mariana.



---Erin




From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 11:16:10 2004
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:16:10 -0000
Subject: Muggle Studies, was: New Canon- Replies to EVERYONE
In-Reply-To: <c0abg0+sq1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0aehq+8if1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:

<Snipping a lot of very good questions>
> 
> Mariana:
> - How come Arthur Weasley got a job in a high rank in the muggle
> department (even being a muggle-lover) if he clearly is not 
familiar 
> with muggles and their lives? He doesn't even know how to handle 
> money....
> Didn't he have muggle studies at school?
> 
> Erin:
> I like this one, but with your permission, I'd like to change it a 
> bit, to something about how come Arthur hasn't learned more about 
> Muggles after working in a muggle department for so long.  OoP 
(when 
> Harry, Ron, and Hermione were looking at careers) explained that 
> wizards working with muggles weren't required to have very many 
OWLS 
> or know very much about them at all.

<Alshain snips even more very good questions>
Pardon me for jumping in with a suggestion, but since Dumbledore 
appears to have the authority to have Hogwarts stop offering studies 
in Divination, I've considered the possibility that he was the one to 
introduce Muggle Studies at Hogwarts when he became Headmaster. Thus, 
the subject could've been on the curriculum since about the late 
sixties (before the MWPP generation started school but after Lupin 
was bitten by a werewolf).

Alshain, wondering if the change was caused by the spirit of '68   




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 11:25:03 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:25:03 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c0a9c1+aton@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0af2f+vqc9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Haggridd" 
<jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" 
> <june.diamanti at b...> wrote:
>  
> > Another - origin and meaning lost in the mists of time:
> > 
> > "Dad where are you going?"
> > 
> > "To see Charlie Icecake"
> > 
> > (No I dunno what it means either - I think it was grown-up 
> for "mind 
> > your own business").
> > 
> > June
> 
> "To see Charlie Icecake" is a reference to the round white icy-
> looking deoderant cakes placed in each urinal in public mens' 
> rooms.  It means to relieve oneself.
> 
> Other variants-- for which I have no origins-- are:
> 
> To see a man about a dog.
> 
> To see a man about a horse. 
> 
> To spend a penny (pay toilet?)
> 
> Haggridd

I call the above toilet references and raise the following:

Off to sit on the doughnut in granny's greenhouse.

June




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Feb 10 12:02:58 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:02:58 -0000
Subject: A small point about large teeth; Hermione
In-Reply-To: <c0abg0+sq1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0ah9i+106rm@eGroups.com>

David:

> As for Hagrid, people here do tend to wear false teeth if they have
> gaps, but I think we have to wait until the next book to be sure he
> has rejected that option. The WW being what it is, he may have
> difficulty getting treatment on the grounds that his teeth are
> inapproproately large.
 
Erin:

> Surely they could just use an engorgement charm, though?  I mean, 
if 
> they can shrink Hermione's....  No, I'm more worried that he'll 
have 
> difficulty getting treatment just because the WW doesn't treat 
dental 
> problems at all.

I wasn't thinking about magical obstacles as such but social ones.  
Madam Pomfrey can grow and shrink teeth: suppose only an expert 
witch or wizard can install new ones, and all the qualified staff 
have the same attitude to Hagrid as Umbridge?

Actually, in the light of our discussion, it's an interesting social 
comment that Hermione's parents *refuse* to let her treat her goofy 
teeth, isn't it?  And another one that, given the opportunity, she 
goes against their wishes.

David




From mherrera at hsbc.com.br  Tue Feb 10 13:22:53 2004
From: mherrera at hsbc.com.br (Mariana HERRERA)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:22:53 -0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1405
Message-ID: <OFECD9C74F.1918DABF-ON03256E36.0048C182@ccp.br.hsbc>

David:
(snip, snip)

No doubt a native speaker can tell from the idiom here but - are you
from Brasil?  Portugal?  Somewhere else?  If you don't mind me
asking?


Mariana:

Yep, I'm Brazilian. Sorry about this disclaimer... It's a company stuff.
Can't avoid it.


One thing I'm really curious about and would love to ask her, but I'm sure
she would not answer, is about the teachers spouses. She already confirmed
that they have spouses, but they are secretive for reasons. I wonder if
Snape is not married and if his wife is not the reason he redeemed
himself... Is there a way to ask something like that?







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From mherrera at hsbc.com.br  Tue Feb 10 13:31:34 2004
From: mherrera at hsbc.com.br (Mariana HERRERA)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:31:34 -0300
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- more questions
Message-ID: <OFC045620A.E212235A-ON03256E36.0049FD16@ccp.br.hsbc>

Puju02 replies:
  Considering that Dumbledore has seen a lot in life, way before even
Harry's parents were born, I think he'll be pretty sure who Harry's living
relatives are. He was also very close to the Potters.
  We also know in OoTP that Petunia knows about dementors and Dumbledore
(he sent the howler "remember my last")
  Last what? I can't help feeling there is some more serious connection of
Dumbledore with Potters than just being Hogwarts headmaster. Dumbledore is
not spying on Harry but is keeping a keen eye on him coz I feel he conceals
secrets that we're not yet aware of. I guess JKR has reserved all these
explanations for the next two books.
  - I don't think we'll know too much about Dumbledore's life since the
book is based on Harry Potter. But I sure wish we do.


Mariana:

Well, about Dumbledore, that is exactly my point. She keeps saying in
interviews, when asked if she'll write more about Harry after book 7, that
nobody knows if he'll be alive by then. This would be a great subject for a
new book after the series is over. Something like "The Dumbledore Years".
Including stories about his fight with that evil wizard around 1945...

(again, sorry about the disclaimer...)





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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Tue Feb 10 14:10:32 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:10:32 -0000
Subject: A small point about large teeth; Hermione
In-Reply-To: <c0ah9i+106rm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0aooo+mpc7@eGroups.com>

David wrote:-

> Actually, in the light of our discussion, it's an interesting 
social comment that Hermione's parents *refuse* to let her treat her 
goofy teeth, isn't it?  And another one that, given the opportunity, 
she goes against their wishes.

Ali:

I thought Hermione said that they wanted her to continue with her 
brace as they hadn't wanted magical intervention? 

I think what I have most disliked about this concept of British 
teeth, is the sterotyping. I think that in terms of crooked teeth, 
we were indeed behind the States. Most people of my generation now 
have straight teeth, so I'm reluctant to agree that it's still the 
case. 

I don't know how rotten our teeth are compared to the average in the 
World, or the average in the Western World. I would prefer that all 
our water was fluoridated. But, in terms of hysterical ranting, 
that's a strong comment. These aren't silly hysterical people who 
have made those decisions, even if you and I disagree with them. 
There are often two sides to these discussions, and eminent 
scientists on both.

As an example, my husband is a Meteorologist. to him, the case for 
Global Warming is unequivocal. It's a question of how bad it is, not 
if it is. There is now a belief that the threat of global warming is 
far greater than the thread posed by global terrorism. And yet, very 
little is being done to stop this by our Governments. They prefer to 
rely on alternative "evidence", or just out of self-interest or 
short termism. Hmmn.

I think that some of my dislike about the British teeth = bad idea, 
is that it is anachronistic. It's not how (I believe) that we see 
ourselves. As a nation, we have a great number of faults, but I 
wouldn't put our teeth up there. Accuse us of being lager-louts or 
football hooligans if you will, a nation of binge drinkers, but bad 
teeth. No.

I was surprised about the idea of marketing bad crooked teeth as 
British. That would actually seem contrary to *our* race 
discrimination legislation, which aims to stamp out negative 
perceptions against different races and *nationalities*.

Ali

(Still very happy that she was wrong over the only 12 questions 
being asked in JKR's live web chat).


 





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 14:57:50 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:57:50 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c08gul+sp0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3efe6$440f5d40$18667144@Einstein>


> Pippin:
> Every time someone says something about  'make me a
> sandwich':
> 
> 'Okay, you're a sandwich'
> 
> Pippin

Iggy here:

I usually either say " *POOF!*   Oh well, that didn't work.  Sorry." ,
"Dang, I don't seem to have my wand with me." Or (whining) "But we
haven't learned that spell yet."


Whenever my family is acting particularly strange, I usually look at the
most "sane" person there and say: It's times like this I look at the
camera and say "That's my family, y'all."

(I came up with that one myself, and have been saying it even for years
before I moved down here to the south.  It's usually my way of saying
that I feel like I'm living in a sit-com.)

One of our other family favorites are whenever someone asks us to do
something like "Can you grab the salt for me?"  My step-son and I will
usually grab the salt, not move it at all, and ask the person "Now
what?"

The other one is mine to play on my wife.  In the South, to "put
something up" means to put it away.  A lot of times my wife will ask me
to do something like "Can you put up the box of cereal?"  I grab the
box, hold it as high as I can in the air, and say "Ok, that's done."


Iggy McSnurd







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 15:08:10 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:08:10 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c08s0e+tc7c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3efe7$b941d8d0$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Back to smoking days - alas gave up but - "Do you have a
> match?"  "Yes, your face and my arse!"
> 
> June
> 

Iggy here:

There's a great one when you get to the contrast between the British and
the Americans.

Brit:  "Can I pinch a fag?"

American:  "Ummm, sure.  You might want to ask him first though."


Iggy McSnurd







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 15:12:03 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:12:03 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hi!
In-Reply-To: <c09eaq+f70f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3efe8$42f68850$18667144@Einstein>



> From: mrsbrooksathome 
> Just introducing myself to you guys.  I hope that I can become an
> active part of the list, so I guess I better hop to it,huh?  My name
> is Stephanie, though most just call me Steph,and I am 20 years old,
> and I actually got into the HP books when my best friend gave me two
> of them as a wedding present! I am also an Outlander devotee, though
> I love to read anything i can get my hands on!
> 

Iggy here:

You'd get along great with both my wife and my aunt if you're into
Outlander.  My wife has all the books, including an autographed copy of
her latest one.  (She keeps trying to get me to read them, but I told
her that I'll read the Outlander series as soon as she reads the
Belgariad.)

Iggy McSnurd







From foxmoth at qnet.com  Tue Feb 10 15:17:02 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:17:02 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c010qv+i0j8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0asle+eqik@eGroups.com>

Does Harry still need to study Occlumency, or is Voldemort now 
permanently banished from his mind?

Pippin




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 15:21:21 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:21:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c09l0e+93pb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3efe9$8d258290$18667144@Einstein>

> so I'll add these:
> 
> It takes one to know one.
> 
> I'm rubber.  You're glue.  Whatever you say bounces off me and
> sticks to you.
> 
> KathyK, who liked using these when they worked in her favor but
> thought they were the *dumbest* arguments when others used them
> against her
> 
> 

Iggy here (again):

These remind me of one of my wife's favorites.  Whenever you say that
she does something that you also do, her usual reply is "Hello pot?
This is kettle."


Iggy McSnurd







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Feb 10 15:31:15 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:31:15 -0000
Subject: Is Galadriel Waters for real?
Message-ID: <c0atg3+845l@eGroups.com>

People are discussing her latest efforts over on the main list, and 
I went and had a look at Mugglenet, who are advertising her work.  
This from the blurb for her earlier, "The Ultimate Unofficial Guide 
to the Mysteries of Harry Potter": 
http://www.mugglenet.com/newclues.shtml

'Another common question answered for readers: "How exactly do those 
things work in the magical world and why did it have to happen that 
way?" -- *Many* readers have trouble understanding the complex 
workings of J.K. Rowling's magical world. The Mirror of Erised is 
one example of a not-very-straight-forward concept. It is a 
paradoxical device in the first place, and then she (J.K.R.) 
complicates it by imbedding clues in there. So how exactly did that 
mirror thing work? This Guide gives easy-to-understand explanations 
for all those weird magical items, and helps readers through the 
*very rough* 700 pages of Goblet of Fire.'  (emphasis theirs).

Kids! Enchant your bathroom mirror to show your deepest desires!  
Teenagers!  Learn how to suck the soul out of your parents- oh, you 
already do.  Build a Pensieve out of everyday household objects in 
three easy steps!  Unforgivable curses made easy!

And what does she mean, 'very rough'?  Do you get a pair of gloves 
to prevent you hurting your fingers on this sandpapery work?  Or is 
it a criticism of JKR's style - not unlikely since she seems 
confident she has the next two books worked out already.  Or can't 
she read the page number on the last page?

One can only imagine that, like the other Galadriel's water, she 
shows things that never were, or only come true if you are daft 
enough to pay attention.

One statement in the blurb I am prepared to credit:

'You won't *believe* what's in this book!'

David, feeling curmudgeonly




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 15:37:16 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:37:16 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c0af2f+vqc9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3efeb$c606e700$18667144@Einstein>


> 
> I call the above toilet references and raise the following:
> 
> Off to sit on the doughnut in granny's greenhouse.
> 
> June
> 

Iggy here:  

I see all of those and raise with:

I'm off to - 

- drain the main vein.

- shake the dew off the lily.

- water the flowers.

- sink the Titanic.

- have a little "me" time.

- go read the paper.

- see the yellow falls.



Iggy McSnurd







From chiara.fantoni at cec.eu.int  Tue Feb 10 15:14:34 2004
From: chiara.fantoni at cec.eu.int (chiara.fantoni at cec.eu.int)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:14:34 +0100
Subject: Jet-lagged and almost a teetotaller...
Message-ID: <ED675BC8D7CCD711990E009027FC031A024B6CC0@EX2BEL86MBX01>

... so I won't take part in the game, but wading through the archives I just
bumped into this post by Iggy in November:


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> Ok all... I've decided to put together a Harry Potter Movie
Drinking Game.
> At the end of this, is what I've come up with off the top of my
head, so
> far.  If anyone has any other ideas, please send them in... either
to the
> list or to me.  I want to compile them into a complete game.  (Of
course,
> once PoA comes out, we'll be adding to the list when we all get to
see
> that.)
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Harry Potter Movie Drinking Game
> 
> (This list will be expanded as more movies are released.)
> 
> 
> Whenever Ron whimpers, take a drink.
> 
> Whenever Ron says the word "panic," take 2 drinks.
> 
> If Ron looks like he's about to wet himself, take a drink.
> 
> Whenever Harry breaks his glasses, take 2 drinks.
> 
> Whenever Harry touches his glasses, take a drink.
> 
> Any time Harry speaks to a snake (or an image of one), take one
drink per
> line he speaks.
> 
> When Hermione fixes Harry's glasses, take a drink.
> 
> When Hermione puts school above anything else, take 2 drinks.
> 
> Any time Hermione talks to someone like she knows better than they
do, take
> a drink.
> 
> When Snape sneers at someone, take a drink.
> 
> When anyone associated with Slytherin House calls someone by their
last
> name, take a drink.
> 
> When Dumbledore nods and smiles at someone in a knowing way, take 2
drinks.
> 
> If Hagrid reveals information he shouldn't have, take a drink.
> 
> If he realizes that he shouldn't have said something, take 2 drinks.
> 
> If a scene contains a definite "red herring," take 2 drinks.
> 
> If Dobby causes trouble for Harry, take a drink.
> 
> Whenever Dobby punishes himself, take 2 drinks.
> 
> Whenever Lockhart (or one of his pictures) flashes his "winning
smile," take
> one drink per smiling Lockhart.  (This rule alone should get you
sloshed
> quickly.)
> 
> Any time Lockhart lies about his skills or credentials, take a
drink.
> 
> Whenever Draco deliberately tries to get Harry into trouble, take 2
drinks.
> 
> Whenever Professor MacGonagall looks at someone sternly, take a
drink.
> 
> Whenever Collin Creevy takes a picture of Harry, take 2 drinks.
> 
> Whenever any picture in a scene moves or talks, take one drink per
moving
> picture.
> 
> Whenever you notice a scene that's missing Peeves, take 2 drinks in
honor of
> our favorite missing poltergeist.
> 
> Any time you notice that Ron had been inserted into a scene instead
of
> someone else, take a drink.
> 
> If Molly Weasley calls a child by a pet name, take a drink.
> 
> If you can see Hermione's parents in Flourish and Blott's without
needing to
> slo-mo, take 3 drinks.
> 
> Whenever Vernon Dursley gets red in the face, take 2 drinks.

and my sleep-deprived mind decided it went well with "if you're happy and
you know it clap your hands"...

OK, time to disappear again and try to get over the fact that my two weeks
scuba-diving in Martinique (nine hours on a plane and five time-zones away
from Belgium) are gone.

Chiara

PS: anyone a diver on this lovely community?



From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 16:40:51 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:40:51 -0000
Subject: Is Galadriel Waters for real?
In-Reply-To: <c0atg3+845l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0b1ij+elgb@eGroups.com>

Dave 
> One can only imagine that, like the other Galadriel's water, she 
> shows things that never were, or only come true if you are daft 
> enough to pay attention.


Erin:
You know, I liked the first book; the Ultimate Unofficial Guide, but 
the last one (which I got for Christmas) is just plain annoying. Her 
insistence on refering to JKR as "The Lady", her inability to write 
even two pages without telling us how her stupid made-up "clue 
detectors" are wiggling or jumping up and down or wetting themselves 
with excitement, her little running bits which make no sense (JKR 
focuses on eyes? No duh, most authors do, they're called windows to 
the soul for a reason), and her just plain wrong conclusions all 
combine to make the lastest book horribly unreadable for me.  I'll 
read about ten pages with dictionary and OoP in hand, then give up, 
ready to scream in frustration.  

I do see on Mugglenet that the big conclusion this time around is 
that-- there's another basalisk in the Chamber?  Huh?  That is about 
the dumbest thing I ever heard.  We've been there, done that 
already.  Harry killed the first one when he was 12 freakin' years 
old, I doubt another one would offer him much chaalenge.  Heck, now 
that they no what it is, they can just slide a frickin' rooster down 
the tunnel and Harry won't have to fight at all.


Erin





From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 17:24:07 2004
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:24:07 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c0a5ev+jnpu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0b43n+vf2g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" 
<june.diamanti at b...> wrote:

> "Dad where are you going?"
> 
> "To see Charlie Icecake"
> 
> (No I dunno what it means either - I think it was grown-up 
for "mind your own business").

My father's standard reply to (my ubiquitous) "What's that (or 
this)?" was, "It's a trap to catch meddlers; and see, it worked!"

A common lament of my mother's: "Getting you to do anything is just 
like trying to push a piece of string!"

Sandy




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Tue Feb 10 19:00:59 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:00:59 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c0b43n+vf2g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0b9pb+66fg@eGroups.com>

June:
> > "Dad where are you going?"
> > 
> > "To see Charlie Icecake"
> > 
> > (No I dunno what it means either - I think it was grown-up 
> for "mind your own business").

Sandy:

> My father's standard reply to (my ubiquitous) "What's that (or 
> this)?" was, "It's a trap to catch meddlers; and see, it worked!"
> 

Now this reminds me of that classic parent/teen dialogue:

Q: Where are you going?
A: Out
Q:What are you going to do?
A: Nuthin'
Q: When are you coming back?
A: Later

Pippin





From joym999 at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 19:34:01 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:34:01 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c0b9pb+66fg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0bbn9+r23h@eGroups.com>

My father also likes silly comebacks, the most common being:

Other person:  I'm going to take a shower.
Dad:  Then there'll be one missing.

Like most people with "funny" fathers, I've heard that one a few 
million times, at least.

--Joywitch




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 19:51:49 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:51:49 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c0bbn9+r23h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0bcol+a65l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" 
<joym999 at a...> wrote:
> My father also likes silly comebacks, the most common being:
> 
> Other person:  I'm going to take a shower.
> Dad:  Then there'll be one missing.
> 
> Like most people with "funny" fathers, I've heard that one a few 
> million times, at least.
> 
> --Joywitch

When I was fairly small, my father was very fond of surreal ripostes 
that often led to major confusion among his children who took things 
more literally:

Me:  "Dad, what's the time?"

My Dad:  "Half past cheese"

I know...

Me:  "Dad, what kind of flowers are they?"

My dad:  "Those would be castelfrats, and those over there are 
hoozlegriggs"

I actually cheerfully named some flowers thus at school, to the 
utter mystification of my teacher.

Mind you this was a man who once drank too much with friends and 
returned late home with a placatory gift for my mother of a string 
of onions...

So you see...

June




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 21:13:08 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:13:08 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c01t19+v44k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0bhh4+10ea1@eGroups.com>


> Question and Joywitch comment:
> > > We've seen in OoP that portkeys do work inside Hogwarts.  So how 
> come Crouch Jr. had to get Harry into the Triwizard Tournament and 
> wait for the third task before sending Harry to Voldemort?  Couldn't 
> he just have turned anything in the castle into a  Portkey at any 
> time?
> 
>  I think that this is one of the many weak plot devices in GOF, and 
>  I'd be embarassed to ask JKR about it.
> 
> Erin answers:
> Well, maybe so.  Maybe so.  And yet, it's such an obvious plot 
> hole... I mean the whole freakin' *book* is written around it and 
> we're supposed to believe it never even crossed her mind?  I'm 
> personally hoping she'll come out with a brillant explanation that 
> will put us all to shame for having doubted her in the first place.  
> Yeah, that's it.  We're just not giving her enough credit!  
> 
> What I tell myself now is that you can only use portkeys from 
> Dumbledore's office, the rest of the school and grounds are 
> protected, and the protection had been lifted from the maze to allow 
> the champions who could to apparate or whatever.
> 
> But anyway, no one is making you ask it.  *I* intend to.

Annemehr suggests:
How about rephrasing it?  Maybe:

We know you can't apparate into or out of Hogwarts, but we've seen
Dumbledore send people into and out of his office by portkey and
arrive by Floo powder himself.  Is that a lapse in security or can
only the headmaster do that?

That way we may get our answer to the GoF plot question without
actually bringing it up, and may even hear a little more about
Hogwarts security.

Annemehr





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Tue Feb 10 21:30:59 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:30:59 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Silly comebacks was pronunciation
References: <000001c3efe6$440f5d40$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <011e01c3f01d$2dfed8a0$2e301c40@oemcomputer>

I dunno if my mom's the only one who pulls
this one but I want to smack her at times.

Me (or anyone who comments on food):  "Ow,
this is hot,"

Mom:  That's what happens when you cook it.


Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 20:07:12 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:07:12 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
Message-ID: <20040210200712.XVGQ2677.out005.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>


Here's one of my own....developed to annoy the musically inclined friends I had in high school and after...if you keep in mind the Terminator movies were popular around that decade span (and can imagine the bad accents my friends were often using because of it), you can probably understand where my smart-a## reply came in...

Them (With a cheesy Arnie accent): "I'll be back."

Me (Looking innocently interested): "Okay. Can I be Beethoven?"

or, Alternative answer:

"What about your front?"


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 22:05:50 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:05:50 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c0b43n+vf2g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3f022$0f3d0f40$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> My father's standard reply to (my ubiquitous) "What's that (or
> this)?" was, "It's a trap to catch meddlers; and see, it worked!"
> 
> A common lament of my mother's: "Getting you to do anything is just
> like trying to push a piece of string!"
> 
> Sandy

Iggy here:

My three favorites along those lines are...

When trying to catch someone at something, you say "it's like trying to
nail Jell-O to a tree."

When trying to deal with a stupid person it's "like trying to teach a
pig to sing.  Frustrates you and confuses the pig."

When trying to do the impossible (like trying to get my wife to listen
to me half the time) it's "like trying to pull teeth from a chicken."


And then there's one I picked up from the book "Belgarath the Sorceror"
and is now one of my favorites for an expression about 20/20 hindsight
and re-hashing the "could have been's."  The expression is "Well, it's
no use chewing old soup."



Iggy McSnurd
(Who never knew how much of a font of odd expressions he is...)







From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 07:32:23 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:32:23 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c09fkq+2qqh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0clq7+m544@eGroups.com>

Mstattersall wrote:
 
> A politer version: "Do you have a match?"
> "Not since Superman/Wonder Woman died."

Superman died?!

Amy Z
who could never stand Wonder Woman so doesn't much care on that point




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 07:45:59 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:45:59 -0000
Subject: A small point about large teeth; Hermione
In-Reply-To: <c0aooo+mpc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0cmjn+qfin@eGroups.com>

David wrote:

> > Actually, in the light of our discussion, it's an interesting 
> social comment that Hermione's parents *refuse* to let her treat 
her 
> goofy teeth, isn't it?  And another one that, given the 
opportunity, 
> she goes against their wishes.

Ali wrote:
 
> I thought Hermione said that they wanted her to continue with her 
> brace as they hadn't wanted magical intervention? 

Yes--of course, that's still rebellious on Hermione's part.  I'm 
with Hermione on this one.  Why endure the pain of orthodonture when 
Madam Pomfrey can do it painlessly in a few minutes?  

> I think what I have most disliked about this concept of British 
> teeth, is the sterotyping. I think that in terms of crooked teeth, 
> we were indeed behind the States. Most people of my generation now 
> have straight teeth, so I'm reluctant to agree that it's still the 
> case. 

I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of if they don't, as IMO 
Americans waste an incredible amount of money on purely cosmetic 
dentistry.  I was blessed with straight teeth, except for 
delightfully snaggly lower (hence mostly invisible) ones, so I 
freely admit I too might well have gotten braces if my teeth had 
been out of the social norm.  But my point is that that norm is so 
narrowly defined that one would think it had been generated by the 
American Orthodontists' Association.  It's as absurd as if we 
believed that all women under 5'6" must weigh no more than 125 
pounds or else they're "overweight" . . . oh, wait, we DO believe 
that, don't we?  <g>

BTW, the straight-teeth stereotype is not a blanket statement one 
can make in the US.  There are significant class and race 
differences.  Poor people often have not only crooked but decayed, 
missing, broken, etc. teeth, for obvious reasons:  dentistry is 
expensive and only a small percentage of Americans have dental 
insurance.  As for the frequent appearance of a gap between African-
Americans' front top teeth, I don't know if it actually is more 
frequent (genetics) or if white people, being on the whole 
wealthier, are more likely to have it magicked away by Muggle 
orthodontists.  (Or, for that matter, if I'm reading anecdotal 
evidence and stereotype as fact.  I've never actually seen 
*statistics* comparing the front-tooth-gaps of various races.)

Amy Z




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 08:42:33 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:42:33 -0000
Subject: Black Mansion: Grimmauld Square Redevelopment.
In-Reply-To: <20040210090439.75913.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c0cptp+dh96@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon
<udderpd at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Steve <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> One of two things typically happen to neighborhoods like this.
> 
> First ... Given how rundown the Grimmauld Place neighborhood is,
> it's likely candidate (for redevelopement). Once real estate 
> developers discover an old neighborhood that has potential, they 
> usually move in, buy up everything, kick the people out, and convert
> the basic flats to fancy townhomes and condos ...
> 
> Some one told me Docklands area of London was like this, ...
> 
> The alternative, and this usually happens when the land developer
> can prove that the buildings have no real historical significants,
> is to level the whole block and turn it into a mini-mall or other 
> commercial building. So, do you think they would develop right over 
> 12 Grimmauld Place without even noticing it, or do you think this 
> would cause problems big time for both the muggles and the Ministry?
> 
> Just one of those crazy thoughts that popped into my head.
> 
> bboy_mn


> Udder_P_D here
> 
> Property developers in the UK can not just move in and buy
everything, it generally would take years and without the consent of
the of the owners they would have a problem especially if said owners
could do memory charms.
> 
> Udder Pendrogon


bboy_mn:

Perhaps things are different in London, but most cities are eager to
redevelop old rundown neighborhoods because old run down neighborhoods
are an eyesore and a blight on the community. Plus, and this is very
important, old rundown property isn't worth much, so the TAX revenue
is very low on them. 

However, if the land is redeveloped, the city can substantial increase
the taxes they can collect. As a consequence, cities are usually more
eager to cooperate with developers than they are interested in
protecting the interests of the low rent/low tax/low income residents
who are currently living there. 

In addition, the redevelopment of the land and buildings means many
many jobs which is always good for government. 

The only exception, which I did note, is that in a city like London,
nearly every building has the potential for historical status by
virtue of nothing other than age. However, if the original buildings
are going to be remodeled in a way that doesn't atler the general
architecture, the government will usually side with the developers. Or
if the government can convince itself that a greater 'greater good'
can be served by tearing the old buildings down, than can be gained
from their historical significants, then the building usually come down.

In addition, there appears to be only ONE hidden magic house around
Grimmauld Square, and there are no living members left of the family
who owns that one house. Given the fact that it is hidden, government
and land developers could make plans for redevelopment without even
realizing that 12 Grimmauld Place existed. The occupants of 12
Grimmauld Place would probably be unaware of the redevelopment until
the very day that the bulldozers showed up, and then, magic or no
magic, it would be too late.

So with the government backing the developers, and eager for the jobs,
income, and tax revenue, the current muggle owners would be encouraged
to cooperate. In addition, I suspect the owners of the muggle building
would be eager to sell for substantial hard cash rather than expensive
repairs or low rents.

One more thing, in the USA, if the city and the developers are not
getting cooperation from the landlords, they have the power to condem
the property and seize in under the right of 'eminent domain' which
gives the government the right to seize private property for the
public good. The owners do have to be compensated for the property but
it's usually a low ball payment. They are paid for the value of the
property 'as is', rather than the potential and substantially higher
value of the property as prime development real estate. 

This brings up another stategy that governments use to force people to
sell their land. They increase the taxes to what they consider the
value of the land IF it was redeveloped, and that makes the taxes far
too high for slum lords to pay. So they have no choice but to sell.

Regardless of the circumstance, governments are usually very
cooperative in redeveloping old neighborhoods that once were grand but
now are seen as eyesores.

My basic question was regarding people's speculations about how this
possibility is dealt with. 

Under some circumstances, for isolated buildings, anti-muggle or
muggle repelling charms could be used, but I don't think that would
work on a whole neighboorhood square when most of the houses are
muggle houses.


I was just curious.

bboy_mn






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 09:36:36 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:36:36 -0000
Subject: New Canon- Replies to EVERYONE - Apparate Limits
In-Reply-To: <c0abg0+sq1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0ct34+2lnh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:

> ...edited....
>
> CATLADY
> 
> Catlady wrote:
> I'm sure she thinks she already answered the limits of Apparation in
> QTTA: "[The Oakshaft 79] will always be remembered as the broom used
> in the first ever Atlantic broom crossing, by Jocunda Sykes in 1935.
> (Before that time, wizards preferred to take ships rather than to
> trust broomsticks over such distances. Apparation becomes 
> increasingly unreliable over very long distances, and only highly 
> skilled wizards are wise to attempt it across continents." page 48).


> 
> Erin:
> ooh, that's quite a good quote.  Steve, if you've read this far 
> down, what do you think?  Should we take apparating off and just 
> leave Floo Network and Portkeys on the question?
> 
> Ok, I will sort through all the questions to see what to add 
> tommorrow, I'm skipping that bit for now.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> 
> ---Erin

bboy_mn:

Catlady's quote doesn't answer my question, her quote is the very
reason I ask the question.

JKR says distance makes it harder, but WHAT distance? I'm hoping for
about 500 Kilometers as the limit for comfortable travel by common
average wizards.

She says only a skilled wizard would try cross continent travel; so is
that the North American continent or the European, and substantially
smaller, continent. A limit of 500 Kilometers (300 miles) would allow
travel in a single hop from London to Paris or Amsterdam, and to the
very far north Scotish Highlands.

I used my magnificent digital maps to determine that with a 300mi/500k
limit, you could jump to islands off the northern coast of Scotland,
then jump to Iceland, then Greenland, then across Greenland, then to
Canada. That would allow you to travel from London to the USA by
apparating. 

This brings up a question regarding cross continent travel; did JKR
mean cross continent in one hop, or a succession of hops? Is repeated
Apparation physically demanding? If you tried to go from London to
China in a continuous non-stop succession of hops, would you drop from
exhaustion when you reached China? 

So, I need details, ...lots of details.



Backstory- (mine that is)

In my private imaginary, usually X-rated world, Harry is the majority
stockholder in Weasley Enterprises (Tri-Wizard's investment in the
joke shop, now substantially compounded), he discovers a small wizard
company that has merged muggle electronics with magic into a
combination programmable portkey and pager system; called Portpagers. 

Harry and Ron (mostly Ron) convince Fred and George to buy the
company. So I have this device, and I need to know reasonable limits
for it. I also have a character who needs to Apparate to Tibet under
emergency circumstances, given limits I have set, I have him near
collapse when he arrives. 

This also brings up the headache of how the Ministry of Magic -
Department of Transportation will regard this device; portkeys are
strictly regulated. I think my way around that is the portkey charm is
only performed once at the factory, the individual user only programs
in his new destination, he doesn't perform the portkey charm. So, one
original portkey permit equals unlimted travel with this device as
long as you know how to program it. 

It has 25 presets, so most people just use the 25 location originally
custom programmed into it. It also has a [HERE] button, press it and
your current location is entered into a new preset. Really, a very
amazing devices.

In a yet unwritten episode, in the year approx 2014, Harry and friends
go broom flying on the latest Comet Dragon Fire brooms. I have to know
how far I can advance broom technology, and keep it in reasonable
proportion to current, in the book, broom technology. Harry's Firebolt
is the current standard; 0 to 150mph in 10 seconds, but no indication
of top speed. In two decades into the future, how much faster can I
make it? Plus, I have to factor in the limits of human endurance for
open air flight; it's cold and the wind turbulance is extreme. 

Who ever said being a writer was easy?

So, that's the foundation for my usual interest in magical travel. 

bboy_mn/steve






From puju02 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 06:30:19 2004
From: puju02 at yahoo.co.uk (Puja)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:00:19 +0530
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
References: <c0bhh4+10ea1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3f087$641bcaa0$16ca5ecb@puja>

  Question and Joywitch comment:
   We've seen in OoP that portkeys do work inside Hogwarts.  So how 
   come Crouch Jr. had to get Harry into the Triwizard Tournament and 
   wait for the third task before sending Harry to Voldemort?  Couldn't 
  he just have turned anything in the castle into a  Portkey at any 
   time?

   Erin answers:
   What I tell myself now is that you can only use portkeys from 
   Dumbledore's office, the rest of the school and grounds are 
   protected, and the protection had been lifted from the maze to allow 
   the champions who could to apparate or whatever.

  Annemehr suggests:
  We know you can't apparate into or out of Hogwarts, but we've seen
  Dumbledore send people into and out of his office by portkey and
  arrive by Floo powder himself.  Is that a lapse in security or can
  only the headmaster do that?

  Puju02 adds:
  I suppose the headmaster has certain previleges. Secondly, in the light of the
  tornament security was tight. So if fake Moody had tried to smuggle harry to voldemort,
  the plan would have failed coz Dumbledore and everyone would have been alerted to 
  Voldemort's rise immediately. Remember Dumbledore says to harry "You (harry) were not supposed to have survived the attack by voldemort." That way voldemort would have come to power quietly and befoer the wizard world could get prepared he would have conquered all.
  Part of it was also probably to tell us what a triwizard tournament is all about.
  It gives something exciting to read in Hogwarts than just house quidditch cups each year!
  Only my defence to JKR's brilliance.


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From puju02 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 06:45:15 2004
From: puju02 at yahoo.co.uk (Puja)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:15:15 +0530
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
References: <c0asle+eqik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3f087$6a31b6c0$16ca5ecb@puja>

Puju02:
Why is the colour "green" of such importance- mostly evil? harry's eyes, the flash when
avada kedavra is performed, the colour of slytherins, the  colour of basilisk....all are green! 



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From puju02 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 06:33:01 2004
From: puju02 at yahoo.co.uk (Puja)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:03:01 +0530
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
References: <c0asle+eqik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3f087$65c709a0$16ca5ecb@puja>

  Pippin wrote:
  Does Harry still need to study Occlumency, or is Voldemort now 
  permanently banished from his mind?

  Puju02 replies:
  I think he still does coz it did not say anywhere that Voldemort can't read harry's mind. I am not sure, but I think it'll be a good idea for Dumbledore to teach harry legilimens coz harry has also shown the capability of reading minds (snape's memory) and can read voldemort's plans. that would be useful.



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From puju02 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 06:39:31 2004
From: puju02 at yahoo.co.uk (Puja)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:09:31 +0530
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Chance for NEW CANON- more questions
References: <OFC045620A.E212235A-ON03256E36.0049FD16@ccp.br.hsbc>
Message-ID: <000401c3f087$6736c640$16ca5ecb@puja>

  Mariana:

  Well, about Dumbledore, that is exactly my point. She keeps saying in
  interviews, when asked if she'll write more about Harry after book 7, that
  nobody knows if he'll be alive by then. This would be a great subject for a
  new book after the series is over. Something like "The Dumbledore Years".
  Including stories about his fight with that evil wizard around 1945...

  Puju02 replies:
  Even I was thinking about that evil wizard he defeated. I was wondering, was there ever any wizard
  more evil than voldemort? If he is heir of syltherin who was his predecessor?
  JKR does give dark hints of harry's end (hate that) but she said that if she wrote about harry's world
  -a book 8 for charity- it would be an encyclopedia of the wizarding world. I suppose she would add the
  Dumbledore story there with all the questions that puzzle us. I hope it's a HUGE encyclopedia :-)


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 13:58:46 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:58:46 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c0clq7+m544@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3f0a7$2eccbc40$18667144@Einstein>


> 
> Superman died?!
> 
> Amy Z
> who could never stand Wonder Woman so doesn't much care on that point
> 

Iggy here:

You never heard of the world famous mini-series "the Doomsday Death of
Superman"?  (Then, of course, he dies a multitude of times in another
comic mini-series, "the Kingdom.)

Heck, if I asked my friend Bob (a veritable comic book guru), he would
probably tell me that ol' Supes has died hundreds of times.

Wonder Woman died, and was resurrected, and is now a goddess (last I
heard) of Justice.  Diana Prince's mother is now the current Wonder
Woman...

But then, it also depends on what iteration of the DC universe you're
talking about, since they "reset" their worlds and continuity about
every 5-10 years... via mini-series' like "Crisis on Infinite Earths",
and "Zero Hour."  (Unlike Marvel, which just tries to use odd and absurd
plot twists and other lame tools to just try to cover up their own
mistakes.  Just read all the Spider Man series' to see what I mean...
especially the whole Peter Parker/Ben Reiley/Kane clones made by the
Jackal thing.  I was a fan of Spider Man up until they tried to write up
that whole fiasco.)  Yes, DC using their "resets" gets annoying at
times, but I really think Marvel could use a solid reboot to their
universe as well... or reboot to the head, at least...  But I digress.

BTW:  Batman - Intimidation (slated for 2005 release) has Christian Bale
as Batman, Michael Caine as Alfred, Cillian Murphy as the Scarecrow, and
rumors state that John Malkovitch is signed to play one of Batman's most
challenging of foes, Ra's al Ghul (one of my favorite of his
archenemies, btw).






Iggy McSnurd
(Who just found out that Johnny Depp is slated to play Willy Wonka in
the 2005, Tim Burton redo of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.")





From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 11 15:02:01 2004
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (Martha)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:02:01 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <c0bcol+a65l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0dg59+c0f9@eGroups.com>

June:

> Me:  "Dad, what's the time?"
> 
> My Dad:  "Half past cheese"
> 
> I know...
> 
> Me:  "Dad, what kind of flowers are they?"
> 
> My dad:  "Those would be castelfrats, and those over there are 
> hoozlegriggs"

Martha:

LOL, June!

Actually, my Dad used to do similar things: once we went to one of 
those pick-your-own-fruit places and he hung a stray Polo (as in the 
mint with the hole) on a bush and convinced us that they grew 
naturally. 

Then there was his complete and total denial that "Hakuna Matata" was 
a real song. Even when presented with concrete evidence, he denied 
its existence. Something rather sinister about that one IMO.

~ Martha




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 16:44:12 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:44:12 -0600
Subject: A great site for movie trailers (Long)
Message-ID: <000001c3f0be$48c3cd70$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Found a great site for movie trailers.

http://joblo.com/movietrailers.htm

I suggest you watch these, as they look cool and/or fun:

Around the World in 80 Days  (funny action/comedy, co-stars Jackie
Chan... which looks better than it sounds.)

Zatoichi   (The Japanese movie that tells the old legend of a blind
samurai... and not, Blind Fury was *not* the inspiration...)

Nocturna   (An animated movie about what happens after night falls.)

Scooby Doo 2  (Looks *really* cool.  The gang faces all their most
famous villains and Shaggy and Scooby have to prove themselves as
heroes.)

Secret Window  (A suspense thriller staring Johnny Depp as a writer
who's stalked in his cabin in the woods by a mysterious man.  Don't know
if *I* could watch it, but you might.)

The Reckoning  (A medieval murder mystery starring Willem Defoe and Paul
Bettany.  Bettany is a monk who sinned and gave up his calling, and
finds a mystery that he feels must be solved if he is to redeem
himself.)

Alien VS Predator  (At last, the sci-fi crossover we've been waiting
over 10 years to see.)

The Big Empty  (Ummm... You have to see it to believe it... this trailer
of a bizarre comedy defies brief description.  I want to see it though.
*grin*)

Club Dread  (Ok... The trailer is cute.  It's a slasher parody set in
the Caribbean.  At least worth a weekend matinee it looks like.)

Garfield, the Movie  (Yes, the comic strip cat is coming to the big
screen.)

Oh, and here's the link for the trailer for PoA that was supposedly
going to be played during the Super Bowl
http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/DEFGH/Harry-Potter-And-The-Prison
er-Of-Azkaban/TV-Spot/

Hellboy  (All I can say is, this looks *cool*...)

Home on the Range  (Disney's newest one, about three cows who take up
bounty hunting to save the farm they live on.  Looks like a lot of fun.)

Mindhunters  (A psycho FBI thriller with a twist.  Looks really cool,
but I don't know If I could watch it... I don't do well with psycho
thrillers.)

The Order (supernatural thriller in the Catholic Church.  Can't remember
if it was out Sept of 2003, or due in Sept of 2004... can't remember.)

The Polar Express  (Even if you don't see the movie, watch the trailer.
The animation is incredible.)

Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow  (This looks like one *really* fun
retro-futuristic action movie.)

King Arthur (I can only say this: COOL!)

The Ladykillers (A Tom Hanks comedy... and I think that's Marlon Wayans
with him... *grin*)

Shrek 2  (I was rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at the trailer
itself... I'm DEFINITELY gonna be seeing this one in the theatre... and
buying the DVD... and the t-shirt... and the soundtrack...and...)


That's enough for now...  *grin*

(Well.... ok... I GOTTA promote the Spongebob Squarepants movie trailer.
The trailer itself doesn't tell anything about the story... the site
does... but the trailer itself is great.)

Iggy McSnurd








From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Feb 11 16:57:53 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:57:53 -0000
Subject: A great site for movie trailers (Long)
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f0be$48c3cd70$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0dmuh+jppt@eGroups.com>

Iggy McSnurd mentioned:

> The Ladykillers (A Tom Hanks comedy... and I think that's Marlon 
Wayans
> with him... *grin*)

I reeled in shock, I Googled, and, sure enough, they are planning a 
re-make.  What's the point of remaking a masterpiece?  OK, there's 
money to be made, but still.  Guinness, Sellars, Lom & co will be a 
hard act to follow.

BTW, while Alec Guinness' teeth in that film are not the *worst* in 
history, they are to my mind the most sinister.

David




From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 17:22:09 2004
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:22:09 -0000
Subject: A great site for movie trailers (Long)
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f0be$48c3cd70$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0doc1+erpt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:

> Alien VS Predator  (At last, the sci-fi crossover we've been waiting
> over 10 years to see.)

I want to see AHHNIE vs. ALIEN, personally. Or Ripley vs. Ahhnie. 
Predator's boring, IMHO.

A bunch of Denver SF fans (including me, IIRC) are minor characters 
in the novelization of Predator 2. Simon (Hawke, who wrote it) lived 
here then and thought it would be funny to sketch in his buddies, at 
least their names; reading it was oddly gratifying and altogether 
strange. I'm sure it's crap (and Nick, er, Simon said it was, 
anyway), like most novelizations, but I couldn't tell as I reeled (so 
to speak...get it?) all the way through it. Has anybody else here 
been immortalized in similar fashion? Then there's (ulp) Queen 
Sandy...

Sandy, who wonders if anyone else around here knows Simon Hawke (who 
is rumored to have gotten MARRIED and moved to the Carolinas)




From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 17:51:09 2004
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:51:09 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <000401c3f022$0f3d0f40$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0dq2d+rrmp@eGroups.com>

--- Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> 
> When trying to deal with a stupid person it's "like trying to teach 
a
> pig to sing.  Frustrates you and confuses the pig."

FYI, that one is pretty much a direct quote from Alice in Wonderland 
(or could be Alice Through the Looking Glass), including the second 
sentence.

CV




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 18:14:31 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:14:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c0dq2d+rrmp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3f0ca$e81d4c00$18667144@Einstein>

> --- Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> >
> > When trying to deal with a stupid person it's "like trying to teach
> a
> > pig to sing.  Frustrates you and confuses the pig."
> 
> FYI, that one is pretty much a direct quote from Alice in Wonderland
> (or could be Alice Through the Looking Glass), including the second
> sentence.
> 
> CV
> 

Iggy here:

Remember me saying at one point that Lewis Carrol is one of my favorite
of the older writers?  *grin*

I, like everyone else, tend to pick up favorite phrases from my favorite
writers.

Iggy McSnurd





From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 18:25:28 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:25:28 -0000
Subject: International Day of the Very Good Looking
Message-ID: <c0ds2o+2irq@eGroups.com>

Today is International Day of The Very Good Looking, Beautiful and 
Damned Attractive People, so send this message to someone you think 
fits this description.

Please do not send it back to me as I have already received over 
fifty thousand messages and my inbox is jammed full.

Some of you will have received this message in error, you know who 
you are.



June




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 18:29:51 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:29:51 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f0a7$2eccbc40$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0dsav+ru58@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Superman died?!
> > 
> > Amy Z
> > who could never stand Wonder Woman so doesn't much care on that 
point
> > 
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> You never heard of the world famous mini-series "the Doomsday 
Death of
> Superman"?  (Then, of course, he dies a multitude of times in 
another
> comic mini-series, "the Kingdom.)
> 
> Heck, if I asked my friend Bob (a veritable comic book guru), he 
would
> probably tell me that ol' Supes has died hundreds of times.
> 
> Wonder Woman died, and was resurrected, and is now a goddess (last 
I
> heard) of Justice.  Diana Prince's mother is now the current Wonder
> Woman...
> 
> But then, it also depends on what iteration of the DC universe 
you're
> talking about, since they "reset" their worlds and continuity about
> every 5-10 years... via mini-series' like "Crisis on Infinite 
Earths",
> and "Zero Hour."  (Unlike Marvel, which just tries to use odd and 
absurd
> plot twists and other lame tools to just try to cover up their own
> mistakes.  Just read all the Spider Man series' to see what I 
mean...
> especially the whole Peter Parker/Ben Reiley/Kane clones made by 
the
> Jackal thing.  I was a fan of Spider Man up until they tried to 
write up
> that whole fiasco.)  Yes, DC using their "resets" gets annoying at
> times, but I really think Marvel could use a solid reboot to their
> universe as well... or reboot to the head, at least...  But I 
digress.
> 

All writers in the DC comics stable have to check their stories with 
HQ for continuity within the current state of play in the DC 
Universe according to an interview with Neil Gaiman, author of the 
Sandman series. 

Any featuring of "other" DC Characters - ie not the author's own, 
must be approved and by all accounts they keep a very tight rein on 
this to ensure no conflicts between titles.

Neil featured a number of excellent "guest" appearances in his 
stories.

June




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 18:57:50 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:57:50 -0600
Subject: Expand your Vocabulary (the final argument *grin*)
Message-ID: <000201c3f0d0$fe81f760$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

A few sites people might find interesting.

The Odford English Dictionary:  http://www.odford.com/

Here's how they describe themselves:

The Odford Dictionary - an intellectual diversion

The Odford Dictionary wasn't established in 1857. It was established in
2002 by some Intellectual (but somewhat cynical) individuals and
contains a humorous collection of alternative meanings to common words
or phrases.

Take a look inside for some light hearted, witty and moving suggestions
for existing words, or the most important chapter in Odford History -
slightly changed versions of old words no one wants to use anymore, Like
WORK or TORY.

You can also take a look at the Odford Phrase Book, which suggests
slight amendments to old hat clich?'s



Iggy McSnurd






From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 19:27:30 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:27:30 -0000
Subject: More family quotes
Message-ID: <c0dvn2+90po@eGroups.com>

I frequently use the phrase "madder than a wet hen" as quoted by 
MMcK, but I believe I stole it from P.G. Wodehouse, as I steal many 
marvellous expressions.  
June, may I please have your mother's permission to use "A walk round 
the table and a kick at the cat".  It's the perfect answer.




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 19:55:51 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:55:51 -0000
Subject: More family quotes
In-Reply-To: <c0dvn2+90po@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0e1c7+5o8f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000" 
<ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> I frequently use the phrase "madder than a wet hen" as quoted by 
> MMcK, but I believe I stole it from P.G. Wodehouse, as I steal 
many 
> marvellous expressions.  
> June, may I please have your mother's permission to use "A walk 
round 
> the table and a kick at the cat".  It's the perfect answer.]


Feel free - I love the expression and think it deserves to be 
released into the wild!

June




From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 16:53:52 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:53:52 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
Message-ID: <c0dmn0+flnp@eGroups.com>

I heard the other day that Mike Tyson (he is a boxer) earned $200 
million over his career, but just declared bankruptcy.  He made less 
than $100 in November of last year, and he claims he only has about 
$5000 now.

I wonder how anyone can waste that much money, and I wonder if other 
famous people have done that.  I can't think of any right now besides 
the singer MC Hammer.

Paula





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 20:30:44 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:30:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0dmn0+flnp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3f0dd$eface530$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> I heard the other day that Mike Tyson (he is a boxer) earned $200
> million over his career, but just declared bankruptcy.  He made less
> than $100 in November of last year, and he claims he only has about
> $5000 now.
> 
> I wonder how anyone can waste that much money, and I wonder if other
> famous people have done that.  I can't think of any right now besides
> the singer MC Hammer.
> 
> Paula
> 

Iggy here:

Well, you also have to remember who his wife was (Robin Givens) and how
much she took him for in their divorce... and then there's what he had
to probably pay her mother in restitution for the alleged abuse of her.
(I say "alleged" since I don't recall if it was proven or not.)

Then there's the amount Don King probably took as his manager, and the
entourage he had to pay the salaries of (much like MC Hammer had to).  

He also spent a lot of time in prison and didn't make any money there,
but he would still have paid the taxes on the property he owned and
such.

There's a lot of ways he could have drained through his cash to declare
Chapter 11.  

Unfortunately, I don't think he will come out of it as well as Hammer
did.

(For those who don't know, Hammer is now a minister on TV... not a
televangelist, though.  I sat and watched him for a little while a
couple of times, and he's actually very good at it, even from a
non-Christian point of view.)


Iggy McSnurd







From entropymail at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 21:45:27 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:45:27 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- more questions
In-Reply-To: <000401c3f087$6736c640$16ca5ecb@puja>
Message-ID: <c0e7pn+9rmt@eGroups.com>

Been trying to keep up with this thread (it's not easy!) I have a
question that I haven't seen, and I'd like to see answered (apologies
if it's already in there somewhere!). It's regarding Lily's protection
of Harry and Harry's scar.  Was the scar actually a result of
Voldemort's AK curse, or was it something else? Was it a result of
Lily's protection charm? 

There's been a lot of talk about the scar resembling the eihwaz rune
and, although I don't think she would actually come out and explain
all of the nuances of the scar at this point, she may give a hint as
to its origin, such as "oh, well, no, the scar isn't really a direct
result of the curse alone", or "well, Lily's got more to do with it
than you may think".

:: Entropy ::





From Erthena at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 22:48:05 2004
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:48:05 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c0dq2d+rrmp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0ebf5+j1ns@eGroups.com>


--- Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> 
> When trying to deal with a stupid person it's "like trying to 
>teach a pig to sing.  Frustrates you and confuses the pig."
>
loony: 
"I see, said the blind Carpenter.  As he picked up his hammer and 
saw."
My best friend says this all the time and I have no idea where she 
got it.  It usually is said when she doesn't know what to say (not 
often).
~~loony




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 23:11:19 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:11:19 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <c0ebf5+j1ns@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3f0f4$5cbdb990$18667144@Einstein>

> loony:
> "I see, said the blind Carpenter.  As he picked up his hammer and
> saw."
> My best friend says this all the time and I have no idea where she
> got it.  It usually is said when she doesn't know what to say (not
> often).
> ~~loony
> 

Iggy here:

Some old friends of mine used to say something similar...

"I see," said the blind man to his deaf wife.  (It usually meant that we
were saying we understood, but still didn't get it.)


Iggy McSnurd







From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 23:55:16 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:55:16 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0dmn0+flnp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0efd4+oi5v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pulpficlet" <pulpficlet at y...>
wrote:
> I heard the other day that Mike Tyson (he is a boxer) earned $200 
> million over his career, but just declared bankruptcy.  He made less 
> than $100 in November of last year, and he claims he only has about 
> $5000 now.
> 
> I wonder how anyone can waste that much money, and I wonder if other 
> famous people have done that.  I can't think of any right now besides 
> the singer MC Hammer.
> 
> Paula

bboy_mn:

It's pretty well known that a substantial number of people who hit it
big in the lottery are bankrupt within five years. Why?

They make a big mistakes that people who make their wealth slowly
don't make. They forget things like; it's one thing to by a 5 million
dollar house, it's entirely something else to maintain the staff,
maintain the grounds, heat it, and pay the taxes.

I remember Donald Trump saying one of his biggest mistakes was buying
a $30,000,000 yacht. It had a crew of 68 and cost nearly $8 million a
year just to have it sit at the dock, and substantially more when it
was actually being used.

Also, when people hit it big, like rock stars and other celebrities, a
big entourage of people builds up around them. You have excess wealth
so you start hiring all your friends to work for you at various
meaningless jobs. What that usually means is you pay them each a 6
figure income to spend all their time traveling with you and partying
on your money. Oddly, but not surprisingly, when the money is gone,
the friends disappear.

So, the suddenly wealthy, very quickly build an extremely lavish,
extravagant, and expensive lifestyle with little or no thought to long
term finances and investing. When the 'wealth' bubble bursts, they
continue to spend money on the assumption that it is a bottomless
well. By the time they realize they have spent themselve into
bankruptcy, it's too late to salvage anything.

Two little exercises to put wealth in perspective. Sit down, and on
paper, try to spend $100 million. After you buy a few million dollar
houses and a few $100,000 cars, you discover you have barely made a
dent in that amount. The second part is to consider that at a 3%
annual interest rate, you are generating $3 million per year in
additional income. Three percent is about the equivalent of a CD
(certificate of deposit) at a bank. Invested wisely, you should be
able to get a return of 5% to 15% per year ( $5 million to $15
million/yr ).

The people who drive themselves into the ground are the people who
don't realize that the money train doesn't run forever.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn







From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 23:17:34 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne Dragon)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:17:34 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
References: <000401c3f0f4$5cbdb990$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <002201c3f0f5$3b678680$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>



> loony:
> "I see, said the blind Carpenter.  As he picked up his hammer and
> saw."
> My best friend says this all the time and I have no idea where she
> got it.  It usually is said when she doesn't know what to say (not
> often).
> ~~loony
>

Iggy here:

Some old friends of mine used to say something similar...

"I see," said the blind man to his deaf wife.  (It usually meant that we
were saying we understood, but still didn't get it


{Anne}

Both sound like variations of a come back my Grandmother uses (and I suspect
comes from some sort of old poem, since the version I know scans well, and I
know there was about four more lines that went with it when she said the
whole thing...) The version she uses is:

"I see", said the blind man,  who could not see at all....






From suewartell at netscape.net  Thu Feb 12 03:11:31 2004
From: suewartell at netscape.net (suewartell at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:11:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
Message-ID: <11F385C1.7805364E.10B76594@netscape.net>

One my brother came up with, when frustrated by being stuck behind someone driving significantly below the posted speed limit -

It's the long one on the right!

Another:

That's the only color green we have (when another driver is not responding to a traffic light as quickly as you might like.)

Sue

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From suewartell at netscape.net  Thu Feb 12 03:55:03 2004
From: suewartell at netscape.net (suewartell at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:55:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronunciation
Message-ID: <56830DD3.29FA51F8.10B76594@netscape.net>

Loony mentioned - "I see, said the blind Carpenter..."

"I see, said the blind man to his deaf daughter."  is the version I heard.

Sue

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From stanleys at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 12 05:16:56 2004
From: stanleys at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:16:56 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0efd4+oi5v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0f288+cu76@eGroups.com>

snip
> bboy_mn:
> 
> It's pretty well known that a substantial number of people who hit 
it
> big in the lottery are bankrupt within five years. Why?
> 
> They make a big mistakes that people who make their wealth slowly
> don't make. They forget things like; it's one thing to by a 5 
million
> dollar house, it's entirely something else to maintain the staff,
> maintain the grounds, heat it, and pay the taxes.
> 
>big snip

There is also the whole spiritual "thing" about not being comfortable 
with the money.  It is so common for people who came from poverty to 
end in poverty regardless of their life experiences.  It is truly a 
massive effort to rise above it and stay there, lottery or not.  By 
the way, George Foreman announced today that he wants to return to 
the ring as well...not enough money in grills I guess.  He's 55!

Sue (aka suehpfan)




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb 12 15:09:43 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:09:43 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bankruptcy
References: <c0f288+cu76@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3f17a$3f274c30$bcde6251@kathryn>

Sue (aka suehpfan)
>
> There is also the whole spiritual "thing" about not being comfortable
> with the money.  It is so common for people who came from poverty to
> end in poverty regardless of their life experiences.  It is truly a
> massive effort to rise above it and stay there, lottery or not.  By
> the way, George Foreman announced today that he wants to return to
> the ring as well...not enough money in grills I guess.  He's 55!
>
K

It does bring to mind the woman who won the football pools and managed to
spend the lot - can't think of her name right now but they made a
(shortlived) musical about her called "Spend, Spend, Spend" which was what
she said (I think) when asked what she was going to do with all the money.

What really irritates me is lottery winners who go on about how the money
won't change their lives (usually what they're meaning is that it won't
change them, and usually they're spouting a load of rubbish) - my usual
reaction is to think - then give it to someone whose life it *would* change
(me for preference - but a charity or something would do <g>). There was a
guy just after the whole lottery started who won *big* and then complained
that all the money was going to make him miserable and he didn't know what
to do with it - honestly if you don't want to win there are better ways to
waste a pound. Besides which how difficult can it be to give it all away if
you don't want it? There are literally hundreds and hundreds of registered
charities out there who'd love the money, and many other good causes which
aren't technically charities. From what I remember he was a Muslim gentleman
from the Midlands somewhere - I'm sure his local mosque could have helped
him find deserving causes - if I remember rightly charity *is* one of the
duties laid down by Islam ...

The editor of a local newspaper won recently and the BBC were interviewing
her staff who were all delighted for her, one of them said something which
amused me no end. They were asking if the rest of the staff were jealous and
she said "It couldn't have happened to a better person - well it could, it
could have happened to me ..." :) My sentiments exactly :)

My father buys me a ticket each week (a habit he picked up when I was at uni
and my campus newsagent wasn't a lottery outlet). I've promised him, if I
ever win the jackpot I'll give him his pound back :)

And on the other thing - George Foreman is, in my opinion, an idiot. I can't
quite understand why anyone would want to make a living out of a sport where
you spend all your time trying to hit the other guy harder than he's hitting
you, but for those who do I think that if they have their health intact when
they retire they should thank their lucky stars and not push their luck
trying to unretire.

K





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 12:09:42 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:09:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <11F385C1.7805364E.10B76594@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <20040212120942.79202.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- suewartell at netscape.net wrote: > One my brother
came up with, when frustrated by
> being stuck behind someone driving significantly
> below the posted speed limit -
> 
> It's the long one on the right!
> 
> Another:
> 
> That's the only color green we have (when another
> driver is not responding to a traffic light as
> quickly as you might like.)
> 
This reminds me of something that happened to my
sister-in-law about 10 years ago. She had a brand new
car and was sitting at a stoplight, fiddling with the
radio. She didn't notice the light had changed to
green until the driver behind her knocked on her
window. When she rolled it down, he pointed to the
light and politely said, "It's not going to get any
greener."

That's our comment now for drivers who don't respond
quickly enough!

Sheryll

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From kkearney at students.miami.edu  Thu Feb 12 16:53:41 2004
From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:53:41 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0dmn0+flnp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0gb2l+1mpf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pulpficlet" 
<pulpficlet at y...> wrote:
> I heard the other day that Mike Tyson (he is a boxer) earned $200 
> million over his career, but just declared bankruptcy.  He made 
less 
> than $100 in November of last year, and he claims he only has about 
> $5000 now.
> 
> I wonder how anyone can waste that much money, and I wonder if 
other 
> famous people have done that.  I can't think of any right now 
besides 
> the singer MC Hammer.

ESPN had a wonderful trivia question the other day:

Which position do you think has the least job security?
  a) NBA coach
  b) accountant for Mike Tyson
  c) Super Bowl halftime planner

I still can't decide.  :)

-Corinth




From joym999 at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 17:26:18 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:26:18 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3f17a$3f274c30$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <c0gcvq+slp7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:

> Besides which how difficult can it be to give it all away if
> you don't want it? There are literally hundreds and hundreds of 
registered
> charities out there who'd love the money, and many other good 
causes which
> aren't technically charities. 

For example, you could give your unwanted winnings to Fred and George 
Weasley to start a joke shop.

--Joywitch, who agrees that anyone who names *all* of his kids after 
him is an idiot




From alexpie at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 18:22:38 2004
From: alexpie at aol.com (alexpie at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:22:38 EST
Subject: Alice and Those Pigs
Message-ID: <c1.3ca14acd.2d5d1e6e@aol.com>

--- Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> >
> > When trying to deal with a stupid person it's "like trying to teach
> a
> > pig to sing.? Frustrates you and confuses the pig."
> 
> FYI, that one is pretty much a direct quote from Alice in Wonderland
> (or could be Alice Through the Looking Glass), including the second
> sentence

BaHa here:
I think not.  In any case, I can't find it in my Annotated Alice.  If you 
find it, could you let us know where?  I associate it with 19th or 20th centure 
American politics, but I could be way off base.
Cheers--
Ba


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From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 16:06:34 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:06:34 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3f17a$3f274c30$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <c0g8aa+4cus@eGroups.com>

Sue wrote: 

>By the way, George Foreman announced today that he wants 
>to return to the ring as well...not enough money in 
>grills I guess. He's 55! 

I hadn't heard that. Is it really true?  I wonder what it is about 
boxers where they always think they can fight again. I'm surprised to 
hear this about George, as he seemed like the one boxer who hasn't 
suffered a brain injury. The others of that era have. 

Remember when Mark Spitz tried to make a comeback to Olympic 
swimming? That was kind of sad. He was seconds behind his competitors 
and failed. You would think retired athletes would be worried later 
geriatric performances would sully the memories of how great they 
once were.

Paula 




From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 16:08:41 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:08:41 -0000
Subject: Silly comebacks was pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <20040212120942.79202.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c0g8e9+6q4n@eGroups.com>

Sheryll wrote:


> This reminds me of something that happened to my
> sister-in-law about 10 years ago. She had a brand new
> car and was sitting at a stoplight, fiddling with the
> radio. She didn't notice the light had changed to
> green until the driver behind her knocked on her
> window. When she rolled it down, he pointed to the
> light and politely said, "It's not going to get any
> greener."
> 
> That's our comment now for drivers who don't respond
> quickly enough!

That's funny!

Often, someone behind you isn't in a position to see what you can 
see, like approaching traffic that might not stop, a bicyclist, a 
pedestrian still in the crosswalk.  They honk at you anyway, like you 
just don't even want to get where you are going or something.

Paula





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Feb 12 19:37:41 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:37:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Alice and Those Pigs
In-Reply-To: <c1.3ca14acd.2d5d1e6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3f19f$b25b7c60$18667144@Einstein>




> > FYI, that one is pretty much a direct quote from Alice in Wonderland
> > (or could be Alice Through the Looking Glass), including the second
> > sentence
> 
> BaHa here:
> I think not.  In any case, I can't find it in my Annotated Alice.  If
you
> find it, could you let us know where?  I associate it with 19th or
20th
> centure
> American politics, but I could be way off base.
> Cheers--
> Ba
> 

Iggy here:

Actually, Constance Vigilance (IIRC) was the one who said that, not me.

I merely responded that Lewis Carrol was one of my favorite authors.
(Personally, when I think back, I actually got the phrase from one of
Harry Anderson's stand up routines a long time ago... or one of his
books.. can't remember.)

Iggy McSnurd







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Feb 12 20:58:52 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:58:52 -0600
Subject: A computer video software question.
Message-ID: <000301c3f1ab$0855d3d0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Does anyone know where I can download a free AVI to MPEG converter
program?  A friend sent me a disk with some AVIs on it, and I can't view
them.  (Alternately, does anyone know where I can get a free AVI viewer
program?)

I should mention that my OS is Windows XP.


Iggy McSnurd







From holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 22:57:15 2004
From: holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com (holmesclan2002)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:57:15 -0000
Subject: Computer software
Message-ID: <c0h0cb+l9tq@eGroups.com>

Iggy,
    I asked my teenage son and he reccommended  www.download.com .  Hope that helps!
         -Mel




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 23:30:20 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:30:20 -0000
Subject: A computer video software question.
In-Reply-To: <000301c3f1ab$0855d3d0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0h2ac+4hgq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd"
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> Does anyone know where I can download a free AVI to MPEG converter
> program?  A friend sent me a disk with some AVIs on it, and I can't view
> them.  (Alternately, does anyone know where I can get a free AVI viewer
> program?)
> 
> I should mention that my OS is Windows XP.
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

bboy_mn:

AVI is a Microsoft format, so Windows Media Player should be able to
play it, as well as the Apple Quicktime viewer which reads multiple
media formats, and Real Player which also reads many different media
formats.

Open Windows Media Player, then go to the [File] menu then select
[Open] and browse to the location where you .AVI file is located and
select it. I should play.

You can do the same thing in these other media players (Quicktime,
Real Player) and they should be able to play it too.

If you really want an alternative Media Player, go to www.DownLoad.com
which is run by CNET and is a safe place to download freeware,
shareware, updates, and trial software. On the front page, select the
'Audio & Video' catagory, and select 'Players'.

Once you have the page with all the Players, select the column heading
for either 'Downloads' or 'User Rating' and it will sort the list on
that criteria. I perfer to sort by 'Download' on the assumption that
if a million people downloaded it in the last week, it must be pretty
good. 

Also, there is a 'Most Popular' catagory for most software, CNET
reviews, and video converters.

Also, make note of whether you are getting a functional version or
limited version, and whether you are getting an open ended trial or a
time limited trial version. This should be on the description page for
the program.

When you go to the main page for a specif player, you will find User
Ratings and User comments. These are frequently summarized in
percentages, check the total number of comments before you put too
much weight in percentages. Frequently, there are only a few comments.

If possible, I try to use the link to the programmer/creators website
to download the program rather than the Download.com [download] link.
That was I can get more information on the product as well as other
product available from the same person/company, and I'm also assured
of getting the latest version.

Steve/bboy_mn





From groups at e-dennis.net  Fri Feb 13 00:03:50 2004
From: groups at e-dennis.net (Dennis)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:03:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A computer video software question.
In-Reply-To: <000301c3f1ab$0855d3d0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <E1ArQoE-0005WJ-DS@kottonmouth.trouble-free.net>

Iggy here:

Does anyone know where I can download a free AVI to MPEG converter
program?? A friend sent me a disk with some AVIs on it, and I can't view
them.? (Alternately, does anyone know where I can get a free AVI viewer
program?)

I should mention that my OS is Windows XP.


Iggy McSnurd


___________________

Dennis:

If Windows Media Player won't play it, you probably have a non-standard .avi
file, probably Divx if I was guessing, because it's the most popular.  You
can easily find out what codec your .avi file was encoded in by right
clicking the file, choosing "properties," and then clicking the "Summary"
tab. There will be three sections listed on that page, Image, Audio, and
Video.  Look under Video for the line "Video Compression."  It will tell you
what codec you need, such as "Divx Codec" or "Cinepak codec."  Anyway,
whatever it says there, type it in Google followed by "download" and chances
are you'll get a list of sites to download the codec from for free.  If it
happens to be Divx, then you can go straight to divx.com and click the divx
tab for a free player and codec plugin. 

If it's not a non-standard codec, then downloading and reinstalling codecs
might also help to repair a damaged one.  I believe the common codecs can be
downloaded at Microsoft.com somewhere, though I can't give a better link
offhand.

Good luck.  And let us know if that works. *grin*

-Dennis





From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 02:11:40 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:11:40 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0efd4+oi5v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0hbos+sh3n@eGroups.com>

Steve "Financial Planner" bboy wrote:

> consider that at a 3%
> annual interest rate, you are generating $3 million per year in
> additional income. Three percent is about the equivalent of a 
CD
> (certificate of deposit) at a bank. Invested wisely, you should be
> able to get a return of 5% to 15% per year ( $5 million to $15
> million/yr ).
> 
> The people who drive themselves into the ground are the 
people who
> don't realize that the money train doesn't run forever.

Or rather, that it *does* run forever if you just abide by the simple 
rule of the intelligent rich:  Never Spend Your Capital.

I once entertained myself figuring out how much money Ross 
Perot would make every year if he just put his billions in a 
savings account that paid the usual under-2%.  It made me feel 
a little ill.

Amy Z




From sydenmill at msn.com  Fri Feb 13 14:14:00 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:14:00 -0000
Subject: New Canon Chat Questions
Message-ID: <c0im38+n8n1@eGroups.com>



Bohcoo, for "Erin" <erinellii at y>: 
Hi Erin! The question I'd like to include is, "What is the difference 
between a wizard and a warlock?"
I've copied an old post from the main list to give credit to Steve, 
bboy_mn, for posing the question better than I could. 
End of Bohcoo's comments. Balance of post a copy of Steve from main 
list:



bboy_mn ,#74263:
As I was re-reading a section of OoP, I came across a reference to a
warlock. As I noted above, at various times in the book, Harry sees
warlocks and he specifically identifies them as warlocks. There must
be something unique about them, or Harry wouldn't be able to recognise
them by sight.

So, I had a thought, although admittedly a weak thought. Perhaps, the
wizard/warlock designation is a regional/cultural thing. For example,
Western European (including Britain) wizards are called wizards, and
Eastern European (including Russian) wizards are called warlocks. And
if I want to take it farther, African=witch doctor, American
Indians=shaman or medicine man, Asian=sorcerer or whatever.

Perhaps there is enough of an ethnic identity, (dark hair, dark eyes,
olive skin, customs, habits, accents, very Viktor Krum like) that they
are readily identifiable.

In general though, warlock means a male witch, ...whatever that means.

While it does have some weaknesses, it is a thought.

bboy_mn







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 13 14:54:28 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:54:28 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A computer video software question.
In-Reply-To: <E1ArQoE-0005WJ-DS@kottonmouth.trouble-free.net>
Message-ID: <000601c3f241$4c0492b0$18667144@Einstein>

> Dennis:
> 
> If Windows Media Player won't play it, you probably have a
non-standard
> .avi
> file, probably Divx if I was guessing, because it's the most popular.
You
> can easily find out what codec your .avi file was encoded in by right
> clicking the file, choosing "properties," and then clicking the
"Summary"
> tab. There will be three sections listed on that page, Image, Audio,
and
> Video.  Look under Video for the line "Video Compression."  It will
tell
> you
> what codec you need, such as "Divx Codec" or "Cinepak codec."  Anyway,
> whatever it says there, type it in Google followed by "download" and
> chances
> are you'll get a list of sites to download the codec from for free.
If it
> happens to be Divx, then you can go straight to divx.com and click the
> divx
> tab for a free player and codec plug-in.

Iggy here:

It apparently is a DivX format.  I downloaded the free DivX viewer from
their site, but the installer locked up while processing.  (This
happened 4 times in a row.)  I also tried just downloading the DivX
codec package from their site as well, but that installer also kept
locking up on processing as well.

Real One claims the DivX as an unsupported format when I try to use that
program, and the Windows Media Player keeps trying to download the codec
from the server, but has errors in downloading the codec.

Any ideas?  (Is there a way to grab each one and "unpack" it by hand?)

Iggy McSnurd








From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 13 15:31:16 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:31:16 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0hbos+sh3n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3f246$78dda510$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> I once entertained myself figuring out how much money Ross
> Perot would make every year if he just put his billions in a
> savings account that paid the usual under-2%.  It made me feel
> a little ill.
> 
> Amy Z
> 

Iggy here:

The scary thing is when you consider how he made a ton of that money...
by starting up EMS.  (For those of you who don't know, EMS = Electronic
Money Services.  It's a company that processes all of the inter-bank
account transactions for the US.)

Iggy McSnurd
(former bank teller.)







From jcw at s-tec.com  Fri Feb 13 17:11:08 2004
From: jcw at s-tec.com (jcw6491)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:11:08 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <000701c3f246$78dda510$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0j0fc+3lp0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > 
> > I once entertained myself figuring out how much money Ross
> > Perot would make every year if he just put his billions in a
> > savings account that paid the usual under-2%.  It made me feel
> > a little ill.
> > 
> > Amy Z
> > 
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> The scary thing is when you consider how he made a ton of that 
money...
> by starting up EMS.  (For those of you who don't know, EMS = 
Electronic
> Money Services.  It's a company that processes all of the inter-
bank
> account transactions for the US.)
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> (former bank teller.)

Ross Perot attended the Navel Academy from 1949 to 1953 (class 
president, chairman of the honor committee and battalion 
commander)...in 1957 he left the Navy and went to work for IBM in 
their data processing division as a salesman...in 1962 he borrowed 
one thoudand dollars from his wife Margot's savings account and 
started EDS (Electronic Data Systems)...a one man data processing 
company...by 1984 the company had over 70,000 employees at which 
time he sold it to General Motors for 2.5 billion...he also retained 
an equity stake making him the single largest stockholder in GM...he 
constantly fought with Roger Smith (GM chairman) and in 1986 GM 
bought out his equity position for 700 million dollars and an 
agreement that he would not compete against EDS for three years...he 
promptly ignored that agreement and two years later started Perot 
Systems which still operates in the U.S. and Europe...probably more 
than you really wanted to know about Ross Perot but he is an 
interesting study in business and the Information Technologies 
Industry (my career field)...don't know anything about EMS but Ross 
Perot has spent his entire professional career with the Navy, IBM, 
EDS and Perot Systems....




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 13 18:01:50 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:01:50 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0j0fc+3lp0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3f25b$7da6e060$18667144@Einstein>



> From: jcw6491 
>don't know anything about EMS but Ross
> Perot has spent his entire professional career with the Navy, IBM,
> EDS and Perot Systems....
> 

Iggy here:

Ok.. so I flubbed on the EMS thing... EDS does the financial account
transactions and data processing for banks.  (It's been a number of
years since I was a bank teller, but the EDS thing was something I did
remember as a bit of trivia from what we were told in a couple of
different teller training seminars.  I just got the specific name wrong
after all these years.  *sigh* Should I turn over my title as the Prince
of Obscure Trivia now?   Nahhh... )

Iggy McSnurd







From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 15:59:25 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:59:25 -0000
Subject: Bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <c0gcvq+slp7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0is8t+h830@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote: 

> For example, you could give your unwanted winnings to 
>Fred and George Weasley to start a joke shop. 

Yes, that's true. Or you could give them to a friend to buy some new 
dress robes so he doesn't have to wear lace. 

Paula 





From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 16:02:33 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:02:33 -0000
Subject: Valentine's Day
Message-ID: <c0isep+k44f@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone,

I was just wondering what you all are planning for Valentine's Day.  
This is the first year my husband and I couldn't find a sitter, so we 
are stuck this year.  I guess this means I have to cook again.

Cheer me up.  Is anyone doing anything special?

Paula







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 13 21:52:17 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:52:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Valentine's Day
In-Reply-To: <c0isep+k44f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3f27b$ab37b5c0$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Hi, everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering what you all are planning for Valentine's Day.
> This is the first year my husband and I couldn't find a sitter, so we
> are stuck this year.  I guess this means I have to cook again.
> 
> Cheer me up.  Is anyone doing anything special?
> 
> Paula
> 

Iggy here:

Your luck must have come over to me, since this is the second time since
my daughter was born (read that as "the second time *ever* in almost 3
years...") that we've been able to get a baby sitter for anything.  (The
other time was for one of my wife's company Christmas parties.)

My mother-in-law is taking her for the day so that my wife and I can go
out for lunch, a movie, and have some "us time."

(That's my present to her.  Her present to me was a 19 piece Wolfgang
Puck cookware set... although it's working out that both presents are
for both of us.  And yes, cookware is a good present for me, since I
love to cook.  Although, admittedly, I would have preferred the standing
professional grade mixer with all the attachments.  *grin*)

Iggy McSnurd





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 22:46:11 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:46:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Valentine's Day!
Message-ID: <20040213224611.80771.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>

*tugs on Cupid's arm, trying to drag him into a party
room tastefully decorated in pink and red, complete
with hearts and flowers*

Apparently he doesn't want to join the fun. :)

Yes, I know I'm the Birthday Elf, but that doesn't
mean I can't pop in and throw a little Valentine's Day
bash for all the folks who make HPFGU such a wonderful
place.

*exits briefly and returns with the biggest chocolate
cake the room has ever seen*

Just a little something for all of you who make the
HPFGU family of lists a magical place to be! 

Oh, and if there's not enough cake to go around, I
hear some of our list members have some pretty good
recipes they might be willing to whip up for us.

Sheryll, the Birthday Elf, returning you to your
normally scheduled programme (and posting this early
as she's AFK tomorrow)


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 13 22:44:52 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:44:52 -0600
Subject: A deep and mellow moment
Message-ID: <000001c3f283$07590d20$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I've started listening to a lot of classic jazz lately (I've always
liked it, but never really took the time to really get *into* it...) and
just had an interesting moment...

I was laying here listening to Louie Armstrong sing "What a Wonderful
World" and I looked over at my daughter who was happily sitting on the
bed next to me (eating potato chips and watching "Rugrats").  She looked
back at me, and I suddenly saw in her eyes how much of me she is... and
that she *is* my future, my legacy, and just how valuable she is to me
on more than just a family and emotional level... but also on that
spiritual level.

I think I've just come a lot closer to truly understanding fatherhood
and what it means on a higher level than I've understood it on before.

Maybe you have to be a parent to understand that... you probably
do...but I hope you all have (or have had) at least one of those moments
in your life... where you fully understand something that's much greater
than you in this world, and transcends everything else.


Iggy McSnurd


"They say the Jester is truly a fool.  But if seeing the world as a fool
does grants me this sight, may I always be one."

-- Iggy McSnurd







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 22:51:43 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:51:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!
Message-ID: <20040213225143.58910.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

*wrestles the "Happy Birthday" streamers away from
Cupid and tries yet again to cover the hearts and
flowers with birthday decorations*

Sheesh, first he doesn't want into the room, now he
thinks he owns it and won't let us decorate for all
the birthdays. Who let him in here anyway? Oh... that
was me, wasn't it?

*shuffles feet and tries to look properly ashamed*

Let's ignore Cupid and get on to the important
business at hand.

Today's birthday honourees are Brandon, Tonks and Lena
aka CJK. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list
or directly to: bak42 at netzero.net,
NymphadoraOTonks at aol.com and lena at warpedcore.net

I hope you all have magical days filled with fun and
laughter (and blessedly free of misbehaving Cupids)

Happy Birthday, Brandon!
Happy Birthday, Tonks!
Happy Birthday, Lena!

Sheryll, the exhausted Birthday Elf, who will try to
promptly remove Cupid from the party room

(posted a day early, so the celebrations aren't missed
while I'm AFK tomorrow)

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From mckosvc at bmts.com  Sat Feb 14 01:17:36 2004
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:17:36 -0000
Subject: A deep and mellow moment
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f283$07590d20$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0jsvg+1041g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> I've started listening to a lot of classic jazz lately (I've always
> liked it, but never really took the time to really get *into* 
it...) and
> just had an interesting moment...
> 
> I was laying here listening to Louie Armstrong sing "What a 
Wonderful
> World" and I looked over at my daughter who was happily sitting on 
the
> bed next to me (eating potato chips and watching "Rugrats").  She 
looked
> back at me, and I suddenly saw in her eyes how much of me she 
is... and
> that she *is* my future, my legacy, and just how valuable she is 
to me
> on more than just a family and emotional level... but also on that
> spiritual level.
> 
> I think I've just come a lot closer to truly understanding 
fatherhood
> and what it means on a higher level than I've understood it on 
before.
> 
> Maybe you have to be a parent to understand that... you probably
> do...but I hope you all have (or have had) at least one of those 
moments
> in your life... where you fully understand something that's much 
greater
> than you in this world, and transcends everything else.
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> 
> 
 Yes, just today, I had something just like that! After a "series of 
unfortunate events" (related to weather and vehicles, not L. Snicket)
I sat down at the end of the day with my 5 year old son and 7 year 
old daughter. I was just taking a breather before trying to figure 
out what to put on the dinner table. As I sat there, my son reached 
over and held my hand. He wasn't really even paying attention to me. 
I just happened to be there, so he picked up my hand. Suddenly, all 
my frustrations drained away. I reached over and joined hands with 
my daughter too. There is something about holding a child that makes 
me feel such a sense of my own (and their) mortality, and yet at the 
same time feel how important that moment is. Without getting too 
mushy, dinner was an hour later then normal, and the menu was 
nothing better than grilled cheese and soup!

MMcK. 




From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 06:04:53 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:04:53 -0000
Subject: silly little inside joke
Message-ID: <c0kdq5+so4r@eGroups.com>

I've been rehearsing with a choir director who's been trying to teach 
us to sing our s's without hissing (you say an unvoiced 'ah' right 
afterwards).  He was getting frustrated that people kept forgetting, 
and hissing.  I noted privately that indeed, we sounded like a bunch 
of parselmouths.

So I found the pic from the Azkaban trailer of the choir, and put 
text on it, "XXX gets frustrated as visiting choir instructor" and a 
speech balloon from the conductor, "Come on, people, what's this 
hissing?  Tom!  Harry!"

This is about the only place I can share the joke, besides the four 
HP fans in our same choir... >;)

Betta smaragdina





From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 06:07:20 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:07:20 -0000
Subject: Valentine's Day
In-Reply-To: <000901c3f27b$ab37b5c0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0kduo+ju1d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, everyone,
> > 
> > I was just wondering what you all are planning for Valentine's 
Day.

I, and friends, will be doing set construction all day, for our 
upcoming show, which is behind construction schedule!  At least we'll 
all be together, valentines, families, spouses, whatever... I will 
wear red... >:D  Better than having no set when we go onstage.

(We'd love to do a Harry Potter show some year... sigh...)

Betta smaragdina





From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 06:09:42 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:09:42 -0000
Subject: Happy Valentine's Day!
In-Reply-To: <20040213224611.80771.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c0ke36+q4uk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:
> *exits briefly and returns with the biggest chocolate
> cake the room has ever seen*

Thank you; that will keep the dementors from bothering any of us! 





From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 14 09:51:45 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:51:45 -0000
Subject: Valentine's Day
In-Reply-To: <c0isep+k44f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0kr3h+ps5p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pulpficlet" <pulpficlet at y...>
wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering what you all are planning for Valentine's Day.  
> This is the first year my husband and I couldn't find a sitter, so we 
> are stuck this year.  I guess this means I have to cook again.
> 
> Cheer me up.  Is anyone doing anything special?
> 
> Paula


Personally, I feel like Bridget Jones: boyfriend has gone off on
business to Rome, and here I am sitting at home alone in Budapest,
watching my telephone just in case he decides to text me. 

What I'm going to be DOING today is: I've got to prepare for an oral
exam in my specialcollege for social theory, which includes reading a
shocking amount of Marx, Adam Smith, Keynes and co. What HE's doing:
renting a motorcycle with his friends (diplomacy ended yesterday) and
whizzing around Rome happily. Together with this girl Eszter, who's
boyfriend was also left at home cruelly for Valentine's Day. 

But Valentine's Day is a controversial thing around here. It's
considered something icky American that we still don't seem to be able
to banish completely from our lives. These awful balloons are
everywhere, and everybody's pretty sarcastic. But hey, someone
actually BUYS the stuff - otherwise it really wouldn't be there year
after year. 

But a Valentine's Day snog would've been nice. Ah well. 

Alice, from little Hungary




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 09:52:52 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:52:52 -0000
Subject: And you wonder why the Magic World keeps itself secret.
Message-ID: <c0kr5k+ta0d@eGroups.com>

It seems  that fear and persecution of witches and wizards is still
alive and well in the modern world. Just ask the English Mum who was
sentances by an Italian court to 16 month in prison for being  a witch.

For full details, see...

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=609&id=169722004


bboy_mn




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Sat Feb 14 12:48:32 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne Dragon)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:48:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] And you wonder why the Magic World keeps itself secret.
References: <c0kr5k+ta0d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c3f2f8$dae29740$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>

It seems  that fear and persecution of witches and wizards is still
alive and well in the modern world. Just ask the English Mum who was
sentances by an Italian court to 16 month in prison for being  a witch.

For full details, see...

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=609&id=169722004


bboy_mn


***********************

{Anne}

Okay, that's just wierd, even for one of 'my' kind....

Heh, maybe she's just an untapped pyrokenetic (no demons required for
that)....weird crap involving water used to happen to me all the time when I
was really upset--the most notable time being when the entire bottom fell
out of the water heater in my friends/roomates house one night while I was
mooning around the house bewailing getting betrayed and abandoned by my love
interest (yes, yes, cue the violins...:P).

Pipes have also burst under the sink before when I'm really going--although
I'm sure that there's some sort of explaination for it all that I haven't
thought of ye, and that had nothing to do with my 'traumatic' emotional
episodes of the timet...^^;

What scares me is that the Italians beleived it enough to fall back to old
ways of dealing with it (almost--at least they didn't try and lynch mob the
poor lady). What scares me more though is that some extremist groups in
American still think it's okay (and god's law) to hunt down a 'witch' and
make thier lives miserable--right up to 'stoning' them even. A few have even
been flipped out enough in the past to try and get stomning laws passed.
(Now that's just insane).

Being pagan/witch myself, I have to say that I agree announcing my beleif
system is often suicidal--I;ve known friends to loose thier kids to child
services because some misguided monotheist reported the raising thier
children in teh same path as abusive....people getting fired (or pressured
socially by co-workers), when thier beliefs are discovered, houses getting
vadalized....we even had the cops called on us once for doing ritual in the
back yard...and...get this...not only were we quiet AND clothed (so we
wouldn't disturb or scare the neighbors), the yard was surrounded by a high
fence and shrubbery--making it impossible to see anything...unless, of
course, you got right up to the fence and looked through the cracks. (IE:
Someone was tryong REALLY hard to find some way of getting us in trouble).

What was funny is that we invited the officers to watch once they;d showed
up to see what the 'disturbance' was. And they did. We enver got bothered by
them again...^^;





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Feb 14 14:27:13 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:27:13 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] And you wonder why the Magic World keeps itself secret.
In-Reply-To: <001901c3f2f8$dae29740$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3f306$a3ebaa70$18667144@Einstein>

> {Anne}
> 
> Okay, that's just wierd, even for one of 'my' kind....
> 
> Heh, maybe she's just an untapped pyrokenetic (no demons required for
> that)....weird crap involving water used to happen to me all the time
when
> I was really upset--the most notable time being when the entire bottom
>fell out of the water heater in my friends/roomates house one night
while I >was mooning around the house bewailing getting betrayed and
abandoned by my >love interest (yes, yes, cue the violins...:P).
> 
> Pipes have also burst under the sink before when I'm really going--
> although I'm sure that there's some sort of explaination for it all
that I >haven't thought of ye, and that had nothing to do with my
'traumatic' >emotional episodes of the timet...^^;

Iggy here:

I've had some similar "interesting" things happen for me.  D?j? vu is a
regular thing for me, I used to be able to predict earthquakes with
uncanny accuracy, I've known things about people who were a few thousand
miles away while talking to them on the phone and had no way of knowing,
I've been able to "impulse contact" people telepathically (that's when
it's not direct words, rather it's more of a notion that pops into their
head), and have been able to receive and project emotions.  (Thank you
to my higher Powers for good shielding.)

The strangest ones for me involved some kind of unfocused telekinetic
effect.  (I really suppose I should train it more so I can actively
control it...)  I was at an old friend's house and we were pretending to
fence.  I lunged in with a heart strike, and she actually felt a sharp
pain slide through her chest just as the sword blade would have.
Another time I was at work and I pretended to slash at a thick glass
tubing (being carried by one of the maintenance guys) with a katana, and
the tube shattered/exploded completely along its entire length before it
ever dropped to the floor.  That's aside from things like faucets
turning on, things falling, and other minor stuff.  (I'm a strong
believer that some "poltergeist" activity is just untapped and
uncontrolled telekinetic potential.)

> {Anne}
> 
> What scares me is that the Italians beleived it enough to fall back to
old
> ways of dealing with it (almost--at least they didn't try and lynch
mob
> the
> poor lady). What scares me more though is that some extremist groups
in
> American still think it's okay (and god's law) to hunt down a 'witch'
and
> make thier lives miserable--right up to 'stoning' them even. A few
have
> even
> been flipped out enough in the past to try and get stomning laws
passed.
> (Now that's just insane).

Iggy here:

Fortunately I have just enough Christianity incorporated into my form of
Paganism that I don't think the last one would be as much of an issue
for me.  (Not to mention more than enough knowledge of "acceptable"
faiths to either convince them that I'm simply a non-traditional
Christian, or that I have some home of "redemption."  Uh huh... right...
like God would pick a self-righteous, judgmental, hypocritic, violent,
narrow-minded bigot as his choice of "savior" for others.  I think those
people need to take a *much* closer look at the Bible/Torah/Koran and
consider what... or *who* in their religion... is influencing their
actions and thoughts.)


> {Anne}
>  
> Being pagan/witch myself, I have to say that I agree announcing my
beleif
> system is often suicidal--I;ve known friends to loose thier kids to
child
> services because some misguided monotheist reported the raising thier
> children in teh same path as abusive....people getting fired (or
pressured
> socially by co-workers), when thier beliefs are discovered, houses
getting
> vadalized....we even had the cops called on us once for doing ritual
in
> the back yard...and...get this...not only were we quiet AND clothed
(so we
> wouldn't disturb or scare the neighbors), the yard was surrounded by a
> high fence and shrubbery--making it impossible to see
anything...unless, >of course, you got right up to the fence and looked
through the cracks. >(IE: Someone was tryong REALLY hard to find some
way of getting us in >trouble).

Iggy here:

I've actually lost a couple of jobs because my manager found out that
I'm a Pagan and not only didn't understand what it means (the most
common reaction I get it "Oh, so you're a Satanist?"  Especially since I
always get 10/31 and 11/01 off from work... fortunately, I am willing to
work a full shift on... ohhh... Easter...) and are close-minded enough
to not be willing to even *try* to understand.

The fun part is I'm a Pagan who married into a family of Southern
Baptists.  *grin* Fortunately they're not fanatical about it, and as
long as we don't discuss our beliefs that often, they're cool with it.
(I tend to enjoy seeing if people can look at their religion from
another perspective.  I don't try to get them to agree with it, just
consider another perspective for a moment or see that it isn't
necessarily "wrong", just a different way of looking at it.)

> {Anne}
>  
> What was funny is that we invited the officers to watch once they;d
showed
> up to see what the 'disturbance' was. And they did. We enver got
bothered
> by
> them again...^^;
> 

Iggy here:

Might I ask where you're from?  Personally, I grew up in Santa Cruz,
California, and moved to Northern Alabama almost 4 years ago.  (I live
in an apartment complex here, and our landlord is a devout member of the
Christian - Church of the God of Prophecy, so I don't really have any
place I can do ritual.  *sigh* I can't wait until we can buy our own
house and plot of land.)

Funny thing is, I ended up with a number of Pagans in Santa Cruz who
claimed I wasn't a "True Pagan" because I'm not Wiccan, and I don't
follow the "accepted" forms of ritual and life.  (My ritual usually has
a consistency of elements, but is "freeform" and what I do during a
given ritual depends on what feels right when I'm doing it.  For one
thing, I never planned to do "Blood and Fire" magic the one ritual I
used it in, but I knew it was needed when I was doing ritual.  Turned
out quite well, of you ask me.)

It's interesting to consider that bigotry and prejudice (often reverse
prejudice) also exists in groups that complain about being persecuted.
(I won't go more into that, since I've already posted a *long* essay on
the nature of prejudice.  You can find it in the archives if you're
interested... I don't know the message number off the top of my head
though, sorry. Back in the first week or so of December we also had a
thread titled "RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Religious Freedom...Was Re: Faith
Education" that you might find interesting.)


Iggy McSnurd







From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Sat Feb 14 14:51:19 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne Dragon)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:51:19 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] And you wonder why the Magic World keeps itself secret.
References: <000001c3f306$a3ebaa70$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <004401c3f30a$01a021c0$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>

Iggy here:

That's aside from things like faucets turning on, things falling, and other
minor stuff.  (I'm a strong believer that some "poltergeist" activity is
just untapped and uncontrolled telekinetic potential.)

{Anne}

Okay, so if we ever visit each other and get upset, you don;t make any
sudden moves, and I'll stay away from the pipe-work and water
heaters...sound fair? ^^;
As a note, I was really good 'remote viewing' myself in my teens/early
twenties. I quit doing it though, so my 'average' sucks now...


Iggy here:

Fortunately I have just enough Christianity incorporated into my form of
Paganism that I don't think the last one would be as much of an issue
for me.  (Not to mention more than enough knowledge of "acceptable"
faiths to either convince them that I'm simply a non-traditional
Christian, or that I have some home of "redemption."  Uh huh... right...
like God would pick a self-righteous, judgmental, hypocritic, violent,
narrow-minded bigot as his choice of "savior" for others.  I think those
people need to take a *much* closer look at the Bible/Torah/Koran and
consider what... or *who* in their religion... is influencing their
actions and thoughts.)


{Anne}

I have to agree...I always was under the opinion folsk should follow the
path that best suits them--no matter what it happens to be. The problem
comes when they think they have to make everyone else follow their path
too...fanatics are NO fun, no matter what their beliefs...


Iggy here:

I've actually lost a couple of jobs because my manager found out that
I'm a Pagan and not only didn't understand what it means (the most
common reaction I get it "Oh, so you're a Satanist?"

{Anne}

LOL! My poor dad asked me the same thing when he cuaght on that I had left
my Christian upbringing behind...it;s taken almost 20 years now, but he's
starting to get it...when he actaully wants to talk about it, that
it...Surpsingly, my grandmother (his mom) was a LOT more accepting--I talk
to her on and off about it, and have been for the last 12 years...her take?
As long as no one is getting hurt, and I still have some of faith in a
'good' aligned higher power, she;s cool with it...yay for Grandmas!

Iggy here:

Might I ask where you're from?

That happened up on Denton, Texas several years back. Before that, I lived
in Tucson Arizona--and out there, as long as folks didn't think you were
killing the local pets, they left you alone...then again...in Arizona,
there's enough weird shit going on all over that a few young pagans in the
backyard barely raises an eyebrow...(or didn't way back when I lived there
at any rate).


{Iggy}

Funny thing is, I ended up with a number of Pagans in Santa Cruz who
claimed I wasn't a "True Pagan" because I'm not Wiccan, and I don't
follow the "accepted" forms of ritual and life.

{Anne}

*Groans* that's just stupid. Consdiering most pagan nowadays are, by
necessity, rebuilding the beleif system as well as the 'magic' and 'ritual'
(Since most of it was wiped out in centuries past by other religions that
took over the pagan lands), I really don't understand how ANY of us can get
off on saying one way is the right way over all others...folks like that
make my teeth itch...

{Iggy}

I've already posted a *long* essay on the nature of prejudice.  You can find
it in the archives if you're interested... I don't know the message number
off the top of my head
though, sorry. Back in the first week or so of December we also had a
thread titled "RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Religious Freedom...Was Re: Faith
Education" that you might find interesting

{Anne}

Thanks, Iggy...I'll look it up...

Oh yeah, here you go (like you care...lol):

Started wicca, changed to shamanism, taking from both NA as well as older
Celtic systems--am not traditional by any means.

Eagle totem as primary
Water, Air, Spirit my best elements, earth my weakest
have one totem each for the 9 directions (NA influence there). ^^
Best at: Protecting against nasty spirit stuff....heh....had to be in
AZ...:P





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Feb 14 15:47:57 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:47:57 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] And you wonder why the Magic World keeps itself secret.
In-Reply-To: <004401c3f30a$01a021c0$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3f311$edcb1990$18667144@Einstein>

> {Anne}
> 
> Okay, so if we ever visit each other and get upset, you don;t make any
> sudden moves, and I'll stay away from the pipe-work and water
> heaters...sound fair? ^^;

Iggy here:

Sounds good.

> {Anne}
>
> As a note, I was really good 'remote viewing' myself in my teens/early
> twenties. I quit doing it though, so my 'average' sucks now...
> 

Iggy here:

Same with me.  Now it tends to happen only sporadically.  (Oddly enough,
one of the strongest images in the last 5 years or so was something from
15 years earlier in my wife's life... before we met in person... that I
had no other way of knowing.)

Now my strongest thing is my sympath abilities, "knowing" things about
other people, and my "shielding." 

> 
> {Iggy}
> 
> Funny thing is, I ended up with a number of Pagans in Santa Cruz who
> claimed I wasn't a "True Pagan" because I'm not Wiccan, and I don't
> follow the "accepted" forms of ritual and life.
> 
> {Anne}
> 
> *Groans* that's just stupid. Consdiering most pagan nowadays are, by
> necessity, rebuilding the beleif system as well as the 'magic' and
> 'ritual'
> (Since most of it was wiped out in centuries past by other religions
that
> took over the pagan lands), I really don't understand how ANY of us
can
> get
> off on saying one way is the right way over all others...folks like
that
> make my teeth itch...

Iggy here:

That, and evening more "accepted" faiths, what truly matters is what
your heart and soul, as well as your higher power(s) tell you is right
for you...

> 
> {Iggy}
> 
> {Anne}
> 
> Thanks, Iggy...I'll look it up...
> 
> Oh yeah, here you go (like you care...lol):
> 
> Started wicca, changed to shamanism, taking from both NA as well as
older
> Celtic systems--am not traditional by any means.

Iggy here:

Baptized Roman Catholic as a baby, Christian (of one form or another)
until 15, Agnostic (and searching) until 17, Pagan from there on out.

> {Anne}
>  
> Eagle totem as primary

Iggy here:

Wolf as primary totem

Coyote is my Spirit Guide (so you KNOW I live an interesting life...)

Can't remember what my other totems are and where, but I know that Stag,
Hare, Butterfly, Hummingbird, and Raccoon (I think) are in there
somewhere.

Indian name as a child (until I was renamed "Coyote's Child" by Coyote
himself) was "Little Duck That Makes Big Noise at Dawning"  (I take this
to be a rather unassuming and seemingly insignificant person who loudly
heralds the arrival of good things.)

> {Anne}
> 
> Water, Air, Spirit my best elements, earth my weakest

Iggy here:

I'm an Earth Dragon Spirit with Earth, Water and Mind as my best, fire
is my lowest strength.  (I'm particularly hard to motivate, but when I
pick a goal that's important enough, nothing will stop me from achieving
it.  The only problem is, it's rare to find something important enough
to rouse an Earth Dragon into motion, especially an Ancient one.)

> {Anne}
> 
> have one totem each for the 9 directions (NA influence there). ^^
> Best at: Protecting against nasty spirit stuff....heh....had to be in
> AZ...:P
> 

Iggy here:

Best at protection, and aiding others in healing themselves and easing
their pain (physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.)  In
other words:  Shoring up a person's defenses and "smoothing out the
cracks in their personal masonry."


Iggy McSnurd


 





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 16:28:01 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:28:01 -0000
Subject: silly little inside joke
In-Reply-To: <c0kdq5+so4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0liah+oetu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "smaragdina5" 
<smaragdina5 at y...> wrote:
> I've been rehearsing with a choir director who's been trying to 
teach 
> us to sing our s's without hissing (you say an unvoiced 'ah' right 
> afterwards).  He was getting frustrated that people kept 
forgetting, 
> and hissing.  I noted privately that indeed, we sounded like a 
bunch 
> of parselmouths.
> 
> So I found the pic from the Azkaban trailer of the choir, and put 
> text on it, "XXX gets frustrated as visiting choir instructor" and 
a 
> speech balloon from the conductor, "Come on, people, what's this 
> hissing?  Tom!  Harry!"
> 
> This is about the only place I can share the joke, besides the 
four 
> HP fans in our same choir... >;)

*****\(@@)/*****

I bet they laughed too!. I chuckled visualizing that. I wonder how 
many other instances do we relate to HP? A friend of mine is a bird 
watcher and she went out the other night to watch owls. My comment 
to her was how HP that was!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****


> 
> Betta smaragdina




From tim_regan82 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 14 19:14:30 2004
From: tim_regan82 at hotmail.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:14:30 -0000
Subject: Iggy McSnurd's Love Passage
Message-ID: <c0ls2m+93vv@eGroups.com>

There, that's got your attention.

If my memory serves correctly, a few months ago Iggy started a 
thread about Dickens. He didn't enjoy reading Dickens' books. By a 
weird bit of synchronicity, I was reading Great Expectations at the 
time. I didn't post though, since I was finding it a real dirge, and 
it lay unread for ages on my bedside table. Hoverer I felt stung by 
the Guardians inclusion in their 100 things to do in 2004 of the 
injunction to read a book written for grown-ups. So I've picked it 
up again.

Unlike the middle third, the last third is fantastic.

I actually started the book as part of an HP project. I wanted to 
see how Alfonso Cuaron rendered books onto the screen, in 
preparation for his treatment Prisoner of Azkaban. So I watched his 
versions of A Little Princess and Great Expectations (tres sexy) and 
then embarked on the books.

So, I'd like to include a love passage from Dickens' Great 
Expectations. I'm including it to whet Iggy's appetite, and in the 
hope that no list member is suffering the kind of unrequited love on 
this Valentines Day, that Pip was in the novel.

Here's the quote. It's just after Pip has told Estella and Miss 
Havesham some of the truth of his benefactor's identity.

------------------------------

  "Nonsense," she returned;"nonsense. This will pass in no time."
  "Never Estella!"
  "You will get me out of your thoughts in a week."
  "Out of my thoughts! You are part of my existence, part of myself. 
You have been in every line I have ever read since I first came 
here, the rough common boy whose poor heart you wounded even then. 
You have been in every prospect I have ever seen since ? on the 
river, on the sails of the ships, on the marshes, in the clouds, in 
the light, in the darkness, in the wind, in the woods, in the sea, 
in the streets. You have been the embodiment of every graceful fancy 
that my mind has ever become acquainted with. The stones with which 
the strongest London buildings are made are not more real, or more 
impossible to be displaced by your hands, than your presence and 
influence have been to me, there and everywhere, and will be. 
Estella, to the last hour of my life you cannot choose but remain 
part of my character, part of the little good in me, part of the 
evil. But in this separation I associate you only with the good, and 
I will faithfully hold you to that always, for you must have done me 
far more good than harm, let me feel now what distress I may. God 
bless you, God forgive you!"
  In what ecstasy of unhappiness I got these broken words out of 
myself I don't know. The rhapsody welled up in within me, like blood 
from an inward wound, and gushed out. I held her hand to my lips 
some lingering moments, and so left her. But ever afterward I 
remembered ? and soon afterward with stronger reason ? that while 
Estella looked at me merely with incredulous wonder, the spectral 
figure of Miss Havisham, her hand still covering her heart, seemed 
all resolved into a stare of pity and remorse.

------------------------------

Cheers,

Dumbledad.




From neonsister at ameritech.net  Sat Feb 14 23:33:52 2004
From: neonsister at ameritech.net (neonsister at ameritech.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:33:52 -0000
Subject: Valentine's Day
In-Reply-To: <c0isep+k44f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0mb90+s4t4@eGroups.com>

What I have done (thus far) on Valentine's Day - gave seven 
massages!  I work at a day spa, and this was a very busy day for us.  
Now I'm home and discovered that my husband is making steaks on the 
grill for us!  :-)

Tracy  




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Feb 15 00:56:54 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:56:54 -0000
Subject: combines replies and *long* on Quetzalcoatlus
Message-ID: <c0mg4m+29h8@eGroups.com>

Last night I came home from work an hour late ... not that I worked
late, just that I waited an hour longer than usual for my bus to
appear at my bus stop ... and was happily surprised to find a vase of
red roses awaiting me. Tim got me roses for Valentine's Day!

David Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21472 :

<< There are three pronunciations of the surname Waugh: to rhyme with
cough, law and loch. >>

I have a friend named Lyndon Baugh, pronounced "ba" as in "bah,
humbug". I used to know a Sean Haugh, pronounced "huff" (which may be
close enough to "coff" in your  Apparently, "slough" is "sluff" when a
snake sloughs off its old skin, and "slew" when it's a protected
wetland, altho' I thought the latter was pronounced with the vowel of
"ouch".

<< Is 'menopause' not a word in common use in the US? >>

It is a word (and topic) in *such* common use in USA that I resent it
as a cliche.

Phil COUSIN(s) cleverly wrote:

<< A COUSIN has a natural tendency to be COnfUSINg >>

which deserves a forbidden "LOL" response.

Pippin appended in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21516 :

<< Does Harry still need to study Occlumency, or is Voldemort now
permanently banished from his mind? >>

Harry might need to study Occlumency to keep Snape and/or Dumbledore
out of his mind, but would Occulumency ever have succeeded to keep
Voldemort out of his mind? Considering that Voldemort got into Harry's
mind through their special connection, not by use of Legilimency, it
seems reasonable to me that it wouldn't have been affected by defenses
against Legilimency.

Did Dumbledore believe that Occulumency would keep LV out of Harry's
mind, or was he just hoping it would, or was Dumbledore really
intending that either the Occlumency or Harry's reaction to Snape
teaching it would soften up Harry to LV's entries? Can anyone think of
a way to phrase *that* question to JKR? 

Amy Z wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21531 :

<< As for the frequent appearance of a gap between African-Americans'
front top teeth, >>

I've never heard that particular stereotype. My ex the Brit had a gap
between his top front teeth; it must have been genetic as both his
daughter and his father had it. My friend quoted Shakespeare to him on
the subject of a gap between top front teeth indicates a lascivious
nature.

Steve bboy_mn wrote quite a few posts about 12 Grimmauld Place and
urban renewal. In
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21532 he wrote:

<< Given the fact that it is hidden, government and land developers
could make plans for redevelopment without even realizing that 12
Grimmauld Place existed. The occupants of 12 Grimmauld Place would
probably be unaware of the redevelopment until the very day that the
bulldozers showed up, and then, magic or no magic, it would be too
late. >>

I gather that magic people can put things in spaces that don't take up
space in the Muggle world (e.g. the car's trunk bigger on the inside
than the outside, the whole Diagon Alley district in a pub's back
yard). If some magic people still owned the house and didn't want to
let it go, they could put it in one of the extra spaces, reached by a
secret entrance in the shopping mall, having arranged suitable
Confundus Charms on the architect and the construction workers that
they build the appropriate place for the secret entrance. The
residents of the mall-surrounded house would never have to go through
the mall to get in and out, as they have both Apparation and the Floo
system. I am dreaming of secret entrances ... on the back wall of the
ladie's room is a fresco of an Italian villa in its gardens, but the
painting of the villa's door opens to the hand of a witch ... ... the
elevator leading to an unpopular part of the parking structure has an
extra button visible only to magic folk ...

Joywitch wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21563 :

<< anyone who names *all* of his kids after him is an idiot >>

Did he (George Foreman) name his daughter George, or just all four of
his sons? It would have been *more* idiotic to name the first three
sons George and then name the youngest something else to make him feel
left out.

I recall hearing of a fervant partisan of the banished Stewarts who
named all *eleven* of his sons Charles Stuart whateverhislastnamewas,
but didn't heara if he gave them each a unique *third* given name. 

Joywitch answered me in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21488 :

<< My guess would be because the quetzalcoatl is a real bird. I've
seen one. It was very beautiful. >>

Silverthorne Dragon replied to her in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21497 :

<< Quetzacoatyl is also the name of an Aztec god (AKA, the Feathered
Serpent) 
(snip)
The Thunderbird is a North American entity believed to be made of
Spirit and Thunder. They appear in the sky when Evil is around in
order to fight it--thier most common description is that they have
pale heads, silvery eyes that flare lightening, and dark bodies --
rather similar to the Northern Bald eagle, actually (A sacred bird in
its own right). You cannot summon a Thunderbird (They are considered
both a single entity as well as an entire race)--they will only come
to you if Great Spirit deems it necassary. >>

The bird *is* beautiful, it has iridescent green feathers, and some
Central American currencies have been named after it. The name is
"quetzal", which is where the "feathered" half of the "feathered
serpent" comes from. Btw IIRC "quetzal" is sometimes translated as
"precious" (because its feathers were worth more than their weight in
gold or silver or turquoise or cacao), as in the name of
Quetzalcoatl's sister Quetzalpetl "Precious Flower".

"Coatl" is often translated "cloud serpent"; it is a winged serpent
that flies and brings rainstorms. I believe that "coatl" and
"thunderbird" are the same entity: a divine flying creature with
feathers and a toothed beak who brings rainstorms with lightning and
fights evil. The god named Feathered Serpent is named after It/them. 

However, back in 2002, Boggles of HPfGU sent me an e-mail arguing that
quetzalcoatls (she said lowercase is the modern name for coatls) are
entirely different than thunderbirds: "It is generally agreed by
dragon fans that the quetzalcoatl is the draconic variant of the
Americas.  They are often associated with water, but it is more often
rivers or wells than rain per se."  *shrug* I disagree with those
dragon fans. To me, quetzalcoatls have feathers and dragons don't.

I have proper respect for the good god Feathered Serpent, but
spirituality and religion don't fit into the worldview of Fantastic
Beasts and Where to Find Them. In JKR's wizarding world, magic is just
a part of nature and magical beasts are just as biological as Muggle
beasts. It is in that spirit that I write of thunderbirds as a
species.

As do some of the modern people who believe in unscientific things and
believe that the Native American talk of thunderbird is based on
pterosaurs who survived in the Southwest and Mesoamerica long enough
to be seen by the first humans living there, long long long after the
paleontologists say they went extinct. A few people believe that the
last pterosaur in (I can't remember if it was Texas or New Mexico) was
killed in the 1930s. 

Fossils of a huge pterosaur were discovered in the Southwestern desert
and named Quetzalcoatlus northrupi. Quetzalcoatl after the Aztec name
of god Feathered Serpent (isn't he called Kukulcan in Maya?), sort of
a reference to the theories mentioned above, and northupi after the
Northup aerospace company, an ancestor of Northrup-Grumman, IIRC
because the pterosaur supported its large wings with a bone strut
similar to a steel strut that Northrup had invented. The Gossamer
Condor, Albatross, etc people built a lifestyle working model of the
pterosaur and it was flown in IIRC an IMAX movie.

Quetzalcoatlus northrupi and other pterosaurs are reptiles, not birds
(and not dinosaurs, but I can't remember why). 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus 
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaur
s/dinos/Quetzalcoatlus.shtml




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 01:37:17 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne Dragon)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:37:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] combines replies and *long* on Quetzalcoatlus
References: <c0mg4m+29h8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c3f364$3f7642e0$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>

{Catlady Rita}

"Coatl" is often translated "cloud serpent"; it is a winged serpent
that flies and brings rainstorms. I believe that "coatl" and
"thunderbird" are the same entity: a divine flying creature with
feathers and a toothed beak who brings rainstorms with lightning and
fights evil. The god named Feathered Serpent is named after It/them.

{Anne}

I say they may be related as to thier function, but are not the same
creature--the descriptions as well as the source legends are vastly
different. The mythical Quetzalcoatyl (god or not) is a serpent, as you
said--however, the Thunderbird is very definitely eagle-like in appearance.
very different tribes are the source for the two creatures as well. Although
a favorite fad nowadays is to 'combine' creatures from different mythology
and say they are the same creature, I don't really ascribe to that theory.
They are thier own creatures, just like real animals. I mean, a hawk and an
eagle are both raptors--they cover similar niches in thier respective
habitats (which sometimes over lap), but they have very distinct differences
despite thier similar descriptions. Even thier wingshapes are different...
For the same reason, I don't identfy the south american bird intimately with
the mythic creatue--it is very different in species, look, etc.

{Catlady Rita}

However, back in 2002, Boggles of HPfGU sent me an e-mail arguing that
quetzalcoatls (she said lowercase is the modern name for coatls) are
entirely different than thunderbirds: "It is generally agreed by
dragon fans that the quetzalcoatl is the draconic variant of the
Americas.  They are often associated with water, but it is more often
rivers or wells than rain per se."  *shrug* I disagree with those
dragon fans. To me, quetzalcoatls have feathers and dragons don't.

{Anne}

The only time I've seen the 'quetzacoatyl' identified as a dragon is in the
game Shadowrun...the creature I'm familiar with from my studies (and Mexiacn
friends) is a snake--feathered and magical, but definately a snake.
Likewise, the only time I've seen the mythic creature presented as a
bird-like creature is in Final Fantasy (An RPG video game originally
developed in Japan--who is infamous for altering and combining world myths
for the sake of a 'good story'). The real birds however are birds...and
you're right, they are very pretty...

{Catlady Rita}

I have proper respect for the good god Feathered Serpent, but
spirituality and religion don't fit into the worldview of Fantastic
Beasts and Where to Find Them. In JKR's wizarding world, magic is just
a part of nature and magical beasts are just as biological as Muggle
beasts. It is in that spirit that I write of thunderbirds as a
species.

{Anne}

And that is how I also would expect it to be represented if used in
Rowling's world--as a creature, and not linked to the god legends (After
all, some of the the first 'dragons' in recorded myth was the god Bahamut
and his antitheses Tiamat--and they are more commonly nowadays identified as
'merely' dragons in most literature. Also, the chinese Phoenix was also
considered a god--the 'Red Bird' of the East--but now is more commonly
identified as 'just' one more phoenix myth)  I am merely relating the legend
as it is usually represented, and the most common one. No need to assume
'godhood' for it--most people assume the quetzacoatyl (the mythic one, not
the bird) is merely a magical creature anyway...^^

{Catlady Rita}

Quetzalcoatlus northrupi and other pterosaurs are reptiles, not birds(and
not dinosaurs, but I can't remember why).

{Anne}

I think they're not considered dinosaurs because the skeletal structure is
closer to what we identify as a modern reptilian structure as opposed to the
distinct structure of dinosuars (which had the beginning hints of things
like bird-shaped hip bones and the like, but were mostly reptile otherwise).
Also...I THINK scientists decided that most dinos were warm blooded--and
reptiles are cold blooded as a general rule...so that might be a
consideration in the classification...I haven't read up in dinos in about 8
years, so...*shrugs*





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Feb 15 01:58:43 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:58:43 -0000
Subject: combines replies and *long* on Quetzalcoatlus
In-Reply-To: <005d01c3f364$3f7642e0$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>
Message-ID: <c0mjoj+tg3t@eGroups.com>


> {Catlady Rita}
> 
> Quetzalcoatlus northrupi and other pterosaurs are reptiles, not 
birds(and
> not dinosaurs, but I can't remember why).
> 
> {Anne}
> 
> I think they're not considered dinosaurs because the skeletal 
structure is
> closer to what we identify as a modern reptilian structure as 
opposed to the
> distinct structure of dinosuars (which had the beginning hints of 
things
> like bird-shaped hip bones and the like, but were mostly reptile 
otherwise).
> Also...I THINK scientists decided that most dinos were warm 
blooded--and
> reptiles are cold blooded as a general rule...so that might be a
> consideration in the classification...I haven't read up in dinos 
in about 8
> years, so...*shrugs*

The family tree I have (admittedly quite old now and it is still a 
developing field I believe) has pterosaurs in the archosaurs along 
with dinosaurs (and birds) and crocodilians, and thus further 
separated from other groups such as squamata (lizards and snakes), 
turtles, mammals and their ancestors, and the marine reptiles.




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Feb 15 04:18:11 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:18:11 -0600
Subject: Is JKR a Loiue Armstrong Fan?
Message-ID: <000001c3f37a$c24446c0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I was looking up more jazz, and I found a song by Louis Armstrong called
"Muggles."  (Which, incidentally, was a term during the 1920's and such
for Marijuana...)  I'd post the lyrics here, but apparently it's a
completely instrumental number, so...


Iggy McSnurd







From erinellii at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 15 10:24:02 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:24:02 -0000
Subject: They canceled Angel.... Waaahhh!!
Message-ID: <c0nhc2+i63a@eGroups.com>

AAAAAHHHHHHHH!

Someone comfort me, please!!

This has to have been the worst Valentine's Day ever!  First a lot of 
stuff happened at my job that I'm not going to go into, and then I 
come home and find out that the WB canceled Angel, the TV show that I 
tape religiously each week.

This was seriously the ONE tv show that I watched.  I used to watch 
Frasier and Buffy also, but then Buffy went off the air and Fraiser 
got not-so-good, so it was just Angel.  And now its going.  Guess 
I'll retire from watching TV for a while.

<sniff>

I don't know if any of you watch it, but if anyone wants to sign this 
petition, just to make me feel better, well, here it is:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ai5d0162/petition.html

Thanks,

Erin









From vkalandor at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 10:36:51 2004
From: vkalandor at hotmail.com (Kalandor)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:36:51 -0000
Subject: Slytherin badge?
Message-ID: <c0ni43+lsph@eGroups.com>

Hi!

Does anyone know how the _original_ Slytherin badge looks like? Is the 
serpent facing right or left?

Is there even such a thing, I mean original, like the one they used in 
the film or something?

Any links or pictures are most welcome!

Thank you!

Kalandor





From heidilist at tandys.org  Sun Feb 15 12:54:22 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:54:22 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] They canceled Angel.... Waaahhh!!
In-Reply-To: <c0nhc2+i63a@eGroups.com>
References: <c0nhc2+i63a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1076849667.2BAC1BF4@s29.dngr.org>


Online petitions are nice; actually putting pen to paper,  or using your 
printer, is bettwe. At http://tobymalfoy.livejournal.com there's already 
discussion of ways  to complain. Check it out!

Vaguelydisgruntled!heidi


On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 5:24am, Erin wrote:
> AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
>
> Someone comfort me, please!!
>
> This has to have been the worst Valentine's Day ever!  First a lot of
> stuff happened at my job that I'm not going to go into, and then I
> come home and find out that the WB canceled Angel, the TV show that I
> tape religiously each week.
>
> This was seriously the ONE tv show that I watched.  I used to watch
> Frasier and Buffy also, but then Buffy went off the air and Fraiser
> got not-so-good, so it was just Angel.  And now its going.  Guess
> I'll retire from watching TV for a while.
>
> <sniff>
>
> I don't know if any of you watch it, but if anyone wants to sign this
> petition, just to make me feel better, well, here it is:
>
> http://www.petitiononline.com/ai5d0162/petition.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Erin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr  Sun Feb 15 13:04:28 2004
From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:04:28 -0000
Subject: combines replies and *long* on Quetzalcoatlus
In-Reply-To: <c0mg4m+29h8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0nqos+6jde@eGroups.com>

> Quetzalcoatlus northrupi and other pterosaurs are reptiles, not birds
> (and not dinosaurs, but I can't remember why). 
> 

As far as I kow it is a question of definition: dinosaurs are terrestrial animals, so "flying 
archosaurs" and "swimming archosaurs" can't be dinosaurs.

Olivier




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 15 14:49:24 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:49:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Valentine's Day
In-Reply-To: <c0mb90+s4t4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040215144924.96654.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- neonsister at ameritech.net wrote: > What I have
done (thus far) on Valentine's Day -
> gave seven 
> massages!  I work at a day spa, and this was a very
> busy day for us.  
> Now I'm home and discovered that my husband is
> making steaks on the 
> grill for us!  :-)
> 
I meant to answer this last night, but fell into bed
when I got home. I spent Friday evening and all day
yesterday cooking for my sister's 40th birthday. 

Hubby was not home when I got back, as he had to work
yesterday. He didn't buy me a gift, but that's only
because I relieved him of the responsibility by buying
it for him. Hey, he had cakes to bake on Friday and I
wandered into the LUSH store. 'Nuff said. :)

Sheryll

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Feb 15 16:36:17 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:36:17 -0600
Subject: Was JKR a Louie Armstrong Fan?
Message-ID: <000001c3f3e1$d670e560$18667144@Einstein>

(I think YahooMort AK'd this one the first time I tried to send it
in...)


Iggy here:

I was looking up more jazz, and I found a song by Louis Armstrong called
"Muggles."  (Which, incidentally, was a term during the 1920's and such
for Marijuana...)  I'd post the lyrics here, but apparently it's a
completely instrumental number, so...


Iggy McSnurd







From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Feb 15 19:25:21 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:25:21 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1412
Message-ID: <1da.1a1199b2.2d6121a1@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/15/2004 5:06:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
They canceled Angel.... Waaahhh!!
OH, NO! What a horrible thing to hear! ARRRGGHH!

<sigh> Thanks for posting this. I'm glad to hear about it in a friendly 
place. 

---Mary


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 15 19:27:23 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:27:23 -0000
Subject: Was JKR a Louie Armstrong Fan?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f3e1$d670e560$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c0oh6r+5gmr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> (I think YahooMort AK'd this one the first time I tried to send it
> in...)
> 
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> I was looking up more jazz, and I found a song by Louis Armstrong 
called
> "Muggles."  (Which, incidentally, was a term during the 1920's and 
such
> for Marijuana...)  I'd post the lyrics here, but apparently it's a
> completely instrumental number, so...
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

*****\(@@)/*****

It came through twice. Yahoomort must have a seven second delay on 
posting to catch anything irregular ;-)

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Sun Feb 15 19:42:48 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:42:48 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A computer video software question.
In-Reply-To: <000601c3f241$4c0492b0$18667144@Einstein>
References: <000601c3f241$4c0492b0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <402FCBB8.4050909@ipartner.com.pl>


>Iggy here:
>
>It apparently is a DivX format.  I downloaded the free DivX viewer from
>their site, but the installer locked up while processing.  (This
>happened 4 times in a row.)  I also tried just downloading the DivX
>codec package from their site as well, but that installer also kept
>locking up on processing as well.
>
>Real One claims the DivX as an unsupported format when I try to use that
>program, and the Windows Media Player keeps trying to download the codec
>from the server, but has errors in downloading the codec.
>
>Any ideas?  (Is there a way to grab each one and "unpack" it by hand?)
>
>  
>

Try this codecs: http://www.codecpack.com/allin1.php. Page is in Czech, 
but should be obvious what to click ;-), note that  installer is in 
English. If that won't work try to download Nimo Codec Pack (should be 
easy to find via Google) which offers more codecs (but sometimes 
introduces  more problem so I discourage it's use when not necessary).
As for site used for downloads there is I always use: www.tucows.com  -- 
it is extensively mirrored across the world. And I'd like to point out 
that many of great software are free: I use free image viewer, free ftp 
client, free text editors, ad-less instant messaging...

Regards,


-- 
Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
There is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have. (Don Herold)





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Feb 15 20:55:19 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:55:19 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A computer video software question.
In-Reply-To: <402FCBB8.4050909@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <000101c3f406$0a3173a0$18667144@Einstein>

> Przemyslaw:
> 
> Try this codecs: http://www.codecpack.com/allin1.php. Page is in
Czech,
> but should be obvious what to click ;-), note that  installer is in
> English. 

Iggy here:

Hmmm... So that's what Czech looks like.

It worked... Thanks dude.  You're my hero... (Despite our earlier
disagreement, yer cool.  *grin*)

Finally, I have the Codecs, *and* a DivX viewer now.

Iggy McSnurd







From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 16 07:14:14 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:14:14 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A computer video software question.
References: <000101c3f406$0a3173a0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <001301c3f45c$7c799fe0$bcde6251@kathryn>

And now we've resolved Iggy's problem (which I totally sympathise with since
it was one I had a few months ago - fortunately the files I had were from a
site that helpfully explained the different codecs and gave links), let's go
back to the other part of his question - *Does* anyone know of a free (or
cheap) converter program for changing .avi to .mpg?  I'd be interested in
finding one and totally failed at Tucows and Download.com - which implies
I'm either not looking in the right place (fairly likely) or there isn't
one.

My favourite video player is Power DVD and for some reason even on files it
has played before some days it just decides that .avi files annoy it and
freezes. Resetting my computer three times in a row is irritating and time
consuming and makes me wish I hadn't assigned a sound file for the start up
sound since any file gets irritating when heard repeatedly - even if it does
show how much I *really* wanted to watch the file and how much I prefer
Power DVD to Windows Media Player (no, before anyone asks there is no real
concrete reason for that - I just do).

So are there any good programs that do that out there?

K





From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Mon Feb 16 01:10:19 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:10:19 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A computer video software question.
In-Reply-To: <001301c3f45c$7c799fe0$bcde6251@kathryn>
References: <000101c3f406$0a3173a0$18667144@Einstein> <001301c3f45c$7c799fe0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <4030187B.6080604@ipartner.com.pl>

Kathryn Cawte wrote:

>And now we've resolved Iggy's problem (which I totally sympathise with since
>it was one I had a few months ago - fortunately the files I had were from a
>site that helpfully explained the different codecs and gave links), let's go
>back to the other part of his question - *Does* anyone know of a free (or
>cheap) converter program for changing .avi to .mpg?  I'd be interested in
>finding one and totally failed at Tucows and Download.com - which implies
>I'm either not looking in the right place (fairly likely) or there isn't
>one.
>  
>
You really don't want to convert .avi to .mpg unless the file in 
question is relatively small -- I mean if it is not some pirated movie 
;-). Created mpgs will be huge and you might expirience serious 
degradation of quality. [But this is outside my usual area of expertise, 
so I might be wrong].
There are plenty of tools which do want to achieve. You just need to 
know what we geeks would call such program. Try do a Google search for: 
avi2mpeg or avi2mpg ;-). First hit is: http://www.ush.de/avi2mpeg.htm
[As a side note: yes, program converting doc to rtf would be doc2rtf, 
and there are txt2html, ps2pdf, dos2unix etc..]

>My favourite video player is Power DVD and for some reason even on files it
>has played before some days it just decides that .avi files annoy it and
>freezes. Resetting my computer three times in a row is irritating and time
>consuming and makes me wish I hadn't assigned a sound file for the start up
>sound since any file gets irritating when heard repeatedly - even if it does
>show how much I *really* wanted to watch the file and how much I prefer
>Power DVD to Windows Media Player (no, before anyone asks there is no real
>concrete reason for that - I just do).
>  
>
Most players are just Windows Media Players embedded within different 
skin and I suspect it is the same is with Power DVD -- you can easily 
check if this is an issue if same problems appears within WMP. You might 
want to check some different player -- namely this  
http://www.divx.com/divx/player/index.php from divx.com as this bypass 
WMP to watch offending movie. Such problems as yours usually occurs when 
there are too many codecs installed, and some of them doesn't like the 
others. If you can, try uninstalling those codecs, and give a try those 
I recommended earlier. If you can not uninstall those, I am afraid the 
problem is too complicated to be solved remotely.

>So are there any good programs that do that out there?
>  
>
Hope that helps,


-- 
Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki -- Resident OT-Chatter Computer Specialist ;-)
Men are wise in proportion, not to their experience, but to their capacity for experience. (James Boswell, Life of Samuel Johnson, 1791)





From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 02:27:42 2004
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:27:42 -0000
Subject: They canceled Angel.... Waaahhh!!
In-Reply-To: <c0nhc2+i63a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0p9qu+2me3@eGroups.com>

Erin wrote:
> Someone comfort me, please!!
<snip>
> This was seriously the ONE tv show that I watched.  I used to watch 
> Frasier and Buffy also, but then Buffy went off the air and Fraiser 
> got not-so-good, so it was just Angel.  And now its going.  Guess 
> I'll retire from watching TV for a while.

I can't believe it, either, Erin! (Dangit, *why* is the WB being so 
stupid?) Not only was Angel the only reason I didn't go into total 
sackcloth and ashes when Buffy was canceled, but Angel is the only 
show my significant other will watch with me (as he despises 
television but got hooked on Buffy for the writing). Poor us. I 
signed the online petition and will write a paper letter, too.

Sandy




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 16 10:36:28 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:36:28 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A computer video software question.
References: <000101c3f406$0a3173a0$18667144@Einstein> <001301c3f45c$7c799fe0$bcde6251@kathryn> <4030187B.6080604@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <002301c3f478$bca998b0$bcde6251@kathryn>


> You really don't want to convert .avi to .mpg unless the file in
> question is relatively small -- I mean if it is not some pirated movie
> ;-).

Well not a pirated *movie* - tv shows more like - and I entirely blame my
need to download them on the tv companies involved since British TV does
show most of the US shows I'm addicted to but so much later than in the US
that unless you join an English only discussion group it's difficult to have
a clue what anyone is talking about.

Created mpgs will be huge and you might expirience serious
> degradation of quality. [But this is outside my usual area of expertise,
> so I might be wrong].

Quality would bother me - bu unless they end up doubling in size they'd
still fit on a cd and I wouldn't care.

> There are plenty of tools which do want to achieve. You just need to
> know what we geeks would call such program. Try do a Google search for:
> avi2mpeg or avi2mpg ;-). First hit is: http://www.ush.de/avi2mpeg.htm
> [As a side note: yes, program converting doc to rtf would be doc2rtf,
> and there are txt2html, ps2pdf, dos2unix etc..]
>

Thank you - I'm afraid i don't speak fluent geek ;) although I did share
with a computer studies guy while at uni so I can generally make educated
guesses. Apparently not educated enough since I didn't find anything. Will
go and look again now - thank you kindly :)
> >
> Most players are just Windows Media Players embedded within different
> skin and I suspect it is the same is with Power DVD -- you can easily
> check if this is an issue if same problems appears within WMP.

Usually the problems don't occur - and it's what I resort to when PowerDVD
is sulking.

You might
> want to check some different player -- namely this
> http://www.divx.com/divx/player/index.php from divx.com as this bypass
> WMP to watch offending movie. Such problems as yours usually occurs when
> there are too many codecs installed, and some of them doesn't like the
> others. If you can, try uninstalling those codecs, and give a try those
> I recommended earlier. If you can not uninstall those, I am afraid the
> problem is too complicated to be solved remotely.
>

Hmm I'm fairly certain I've only had to download and install one codec but I
may try that too.


> Hope that helps,
>
>

You are as always a font of helpful information.

K





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 14:08:05 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:08:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Birthday Party in Progress!
Message-ID: <20040216140805.51563.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

*stumbles in sleepily, tossing streamers and confetti,
towing a very large food trolley*

Yes, I'm a bit behind on some of the birthday
greetings. Sincere apologies to those whose wishes are
late.

Yesterday's birthday honourees were Riet, Dan Feeney,
and Miss Norbert von Ridgeback. Today's birthday
honouree is Betty aka SilverStag. Birthday owls can be
sent care of this list or directly to:
strijkg at xs4all.nl, dark30 at vcn.bc.ca,
wim.fok at consunet.nl and prongs at marauders-map.net

I hope everyone's birthday was/is wonderful, filled
with magic and fun.

Happy Birthday, Riet!
Happy Birthday, Dan!
Happy Birthday, Miss Norbert von Ridgeback!
Happy Birthday, Betty!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From hebrideanblack at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 17 03:05:05 2004
From: hebrideanblack at earthlink.net (Wendy St. John)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:05:05 -0000
Subject: Survey for Las Vegas Symposium
Message-ID: <c0s0d1+kpcq@eGroups.com>

Calling all Harry Potter fans:

Hi, everyone! I'm part of the team which is working on a bid for a 
Harry Potter symposium in Las Vegas, in 2006, and I'd like to ask 
for your assistance. We've created a survey asking for your 
preferences regarding hotels and food and local attractions, so that 
we can create an event that will best serve the needs and interests 
of the fandom. Now what we need is for people to give us their 
answers! We'd love to get a wide range of responses, so if you have 
a few minutes to fill out the survey, it would be greatly 
appreciated. 

You'll find the survey here:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=4644380169

Thanks in advance for your participation, and please feel free to 
pass along this link to anyone else you think would be interested!

:-)

Wendy
for 2006HP4Vegas 




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 08:10:06 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:10:06 -0000
Subject: Computer help wanted (Seven Habits of Highly Frustrated People)
Message-ID: <c0si8u+h6ga@eGroups.com>

Does anyone out there understand FranklinCovey Planning Software, 
especially as regards syncing it with a Palm handheld?  I have been 
having the most frustrating adventures trying to get these two, 
supposedly compatible technologies to work together.  (My exact Palm 
model is the one illustrated on the FC software box!  It has a nice 
little FC-prioritizing-system task list on it and everything!  But 
is there any way to connect MY Palm with that nice prioritizing 
system?  NO.)

I can tell you the whole sordid story if you write me offlist 
offering aid.  The gist is that when I install FC it doesn't give me 
a HotSync Manager, even though I say yes to the "are you installing 
a handheld device?" and all that.  Makes it a bit difficult to sync, 
as you can imagine.

Please help me, or there will be one fewer Harry Potter fan in the 
world, because I'm going to commit hara kiri with my Palm stylus.

Desperate in California

aka

Amy Z




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 17 18:21:50 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:21:50 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Computer help wanted (Seven Habits of Highly Frustrated People)
References: <c0si8u+h6ga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c3f582$e9523ba0$bcde6251@kathryn>

Desperate in California - wrote

> Please help me, or there will be one fewer Harry Potter fan in the
> world, because I'm going to commit hara kiri with my Palm stylus.
>
> >
>
Surely it would be more productive to hunt down the person responsible for
designing the software and/or the Palm os and introducing them to your
stylus? We'd certainly miss you if you resorted to your own particular
desperate solution :) Besides I'm willing to bet there's probably quite a
few people who've suffered similar problems who'd be happy to help you hide
the bodies :)

K





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 11:06:28 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:06:28 -0000
Subject: They canceled Angel.... Waaahhh!!
In-Reply-To: <c0p9qu+2me3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0ssjk+jqg9@eGroups.com>

Sandy wrote:
> I can't believe it, either, Erin! (Dangit, *why* is the WB being 
> so stupid?) Not only was Angel the only reason I didn't go into 
> total sackcloth and ashes when Buffy was canceled, but Angel is 
> the only show my significant other will watch with me (as he 
> despises television but got hooked on Buffy for the writing). Poor 
> us. I signed the online petition and will write a paper letter, 
> too.


The strong suspicion on some of the fan sites is that Angel didn't 
fit into WB's current lineup of 'family orientated' drama, which 
means it doesn't fit into the advertising profile that WB is going 
for. No moms, no dads (now), no kids-with-strange-powers in High 
School. 

I've signed the online petition, but sending a paper letter is 
pretty useless from the UK - I can't watch the advertising anyway, 
so can't tell them that they're not just cancelling a show, they're 
losing a consumer [grin].

Pip!Squeak 





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Feb 17 13:20:27 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:20:27 -0000
Subject: Was JKR a Louie Armstrong Fan?
In-Reply-To: <c0oh6r+5gmr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0t4er+sqes@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
> <CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > (I think YahooMort AK'd this one the first time I tried to send it
> > in...)
> > 
> > 
> > Iggy here:
> > 
> > I was looking up more jazz, and I found a song by Louis Armstrong 
> called
> > "Muggles."  (Which, incidentally, was a term during the 1920's 
and 
> such
> > for Marijuana...)  I'd post the lyrics here, but apparently it's a
> > completely instrumental number, so...
>
There was once speculation offered in these spaces to the effect that 
JKR might have been a Hanna-Barbera fan in her youth - in 
one "Huckleberry Hound" episode, the titular hero, in the role of a 
mailman, makes repeated attempts to deliver a letter addressed to 
a "Mr. Muggles," but is blocked at every turn by a watchdog with 
sharp teeth and an annoying laugh.  When Huck finally gets the letter 
through, it turns out that a) the letter is a singing happy birthday 
card and b) the addressee of the letter is none other than the 
watchdog himself. The cartoon ends (SPOILER ALERT!) with Huck 
singing "Happy Birthday to You" to Mr. Muggles, whose teeth are 
clamped to Huck's left arm.

This would explain JKR's obsession with characters whose name begins 
with "H"

This earlier discussion also bought up rememberances of Huck's 
favorite song, which was promptly filked by Pippin:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/voldemort/voldemort.htm#My_Master,_You-
Know-Who

   - CMC






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Feb 17 18:27:59 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:27:59 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: They canceled Angel.... Waaahhh!!
References: <c0ssjk+jqg9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c3f583$c5a5bc80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Pip!Squeak wrote:

<The strong suspicion on some of the fan
sites is that Angel didn't
fit into WB's current lineup of 'family
orientated' drama, which
means it doesn't fit into the advertising
profile that WB is going
for. No moms, no dads (now), no
kids-with-strange-powers in High
School. >

Angel's been hanging by a thread for the past
few years before this, Joss went in strange
ways (I swear someone needs to take away
whatever that guy is smoking) and WB has NOT
been happy with it.  Last year it took until
nearly May to get it signed on for another
season so many fans who knew of the problems
guessed that they would kill the show this
year.

It appears that WB ignored Angel so long as
they had Buffy (Angel's mother show) but once
they lost Buffy, they stopped liking the way
Angel was going.

As for WB's 'family oriented' programming,
Angel's cast of characters is, by and large,
a family group...granted it's a very strange
family but still.  I don't know...I wish the
WB had given them another chance to get it
going again, but they've been going down hill
for a few years now.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From ambiree at bradley.edu  Tue Feb 17 22:47:09 2004
From: ambiree at bradley.edu (Amber)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:47:09 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
Message-ID: <c0u5ld+fg75@eGroups.com>

Okay, call me an idiot...(actually don't, I'll cry)...but I have this 
strange theory about when book 6 will be released.  Those I've told 
around me think it's brilliant, but I will sacrifice it on the alter 
of 
the members of this group to see if my theory holds...okay?  Be kind 
if you don't agree...

I kinda made this up with the realization that OoP is releasing in 
paperback in August.

July 2000--Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is released!  Yeah, 
the Potter fans go crazy.

Sept 2002--After 27 months, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 
releases to paperback.  Among the rumors were that the book was too 
long to release in paperback form...but then look at many other books 
that release in paperback that long (Clancy, WEB Griffin, Tolkien, 
and some other SF/F authors come to mind).

Jan 2003--The long-awaited announcement comes...Harry Potter and the 
Order of the Phoenix has a release date.

Jun 2003--HP & OoP released...hoards of ravenous HP fans gobble down 
millions of copies and beg for more.

Jul/Aug 2004--the anticipated release of OoP in paperback, although 
in Britian, it will be released 1 month earlier.

Okay so what right?  Except, why did it take half the time for OoP (a 
longer book) to release to paperback?  The mad fans (that's us) all 
bought copies the first day/night.  Why rush printing?  

I believed that around December 2004 we will have an answer to our 
most wanted question --When is book 6 coming out?--

>From the Letter Box Project, JKR has said that the writing for book 6 
is "flowing like a mountain stream."  Given the 5-6 month proofing 
and printing period for the millions of copies needed, I'd say we are 
looking at a Summer 2005 release!  This is just theory and 
speculation.  It is not meant to deceive or anything...

What do you think?

Amber




From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 00:41:24 2004
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (Blair)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:41:24 -0000
Subject: Anyone live[d] in Mexico?
Message-ID: <c0ucbk+l56s@eGroups.com>

Hi all!

I'm doing a project for school through Heinz, and we have to market 
ketchup in Mexico.  I was wondering if anyone here live[d] in Mexico 
and could tell me if they know any uses there for ketchup.  I think 
everyone's being stereotypical in our thinking of Mexico, so any help 
at all would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Oryomai




From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 01:22:05 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:22:05 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <c0u5ld+fg75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0uent+4q7k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amber" <ambiree at b...> wrote:
> Okay, call me an idiot...(actually don't, I'll cry)...but I have 
this 
> strange theory about when book 6 will be released.   I'd say we are 
> looking at a Summer 2005 release! 

Well, I was just reading on the subway, Galadriel W.'s _New Clues to 
HP5_ book, and wondering if her hint about the broken prophecy that 
goes, "and at the solstice will come another" meant that Book 6 was 
coming out on a summer solstice.

(Of course, this could be the wrong interpretation of the clue... 
sigh!)

Betta smaragdina, who is dismayed that after finally completing both 
Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw costumes at great personal scavenging 
(before Alivans carried the elements), they are going out of fashion 
in the next movie..





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 01:45:50 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:45:50 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <c0u5ld+fg75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0ug4e+pbv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amber" <ambiree at b...> wrote:

> Jul/Aug 2004--the anticipated release of OoP in paperback, although 
> in Britian, it will be released 1 month earlier.
> 
> Okay so what right?  Except, why did it take half the time for OoP (a 
> longer book) to release to paperback?  The mad fans (that's us) all 
> bought copies the first day/night.  Why rush printing?  
> 
> I believed that around December 2004 we will have an answer to our 
> most wanted question --When is book 6 coming out?--
<snip>
> What do you think?
> 
> Amber

Oh, I *like* it, Amber!  I was hoping for a 2005 release, because I
figured that would be the earliest reasonable time for it, and I also
didn't think JKR would really need three years again.

You've just given my hopes another big boost!

Annemehr
who won't start to worry unless Feb. 2005 goes by without an announcement




From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 02:43:15 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:43:15 -0000
Subject: Computer help wanted (Seven Habits of Highly Frustrated People)
In-Reply-To: <c0si8u+h6ga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0ujg3+4d0r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> Does anyone out there understand FranklinCovey Planning Software, 
> especially as regards syncing it with a Palm handheld?  I have been 
> having the most frustrating adventures trying to get these two, 
> supposedly compatible technologies to work together.  

Whenever I have a technical problem I can't solve, I always just 
reverse the polarity of the dilithium modules on the warp engines.  
Works every time!

--Joywitch, who apparently wandered into the wrong Yahoo group




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 03:07:10 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:07:10 -0000
Subject: Doodles
Message-ID: <c0uksu+s08m@eGroups.com>

Have some time to kill?  The Leaky Cauldron has an interesting item
for today.  In the UK, they're having National Doodle Day to raise
funds for Epilepsy Action and the Neurofibromatosis Association.  A
*lot* of British celebrities have submitted doodles for auction on
Ebay, including some from the HP films.  Turns out Robbie Coltrane and
Richard Griffiths are real artists, and Miriam Morgolyes' entry is a
real "hoot" (so to speak!).

The highest bid so far is for one by Nick Park, who did an adorable
pic of Gromit.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/

Annemehr
who wonders why USAmericans can never seem to think up such fun ways
to raise funds, but instead seem to go all earnest, intense, and often
confrontational






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 05:12:39 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:12:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <c0u5ld+fg75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040218051239.5444.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>

I think that's a wonderful theory and that it's correct, but for different reasons.  Publishing houses and movie studios are essentially Slytherins, not that they're evil, but that they are interested in monetary gains.  Money is power.  
 
Most businesses run on a July 1 to June 30 fiscal year.  July 2004 will see the movie HP-PoA, July 2003 saw the book HP-OoP, November 2002 saw the movie HP-CoS, November 2001 saw the movie HP-SS(PS for you Brits), July 2000 saw the book HP-GoF, October 1999 saw the book HP-PoA: this is when HP started to become a phenomenon (and a finacial windfall to the Slytherins mentioned above).  
 
So I see book 6, Harry Potter and the Something or Other, coming out after June 30, 2005.  Most likely in July of that fiscal year.  This then means that the movie HP-GoB will probably have a July 2006 release date.
 
-Kemper

Amber <ambiree at bradley.edu> wrote:
Okay, call me an idiot...(actually don't, I'll cry)...but I have this 
strange theory about when book 6 will be released.  Those I've told 
around me think it's brilliant, but I will sacrifice it on the alter 
of 
the members of this group to see if my theory holds...okay?  Be kind 
if you don't agree...

I kinda made this up with the realization that OoP is releasing in 
paperback in August.

July 2000--Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is released!  Yeah, 
the Potter fans go crazy.

Sept 2002--After 27 months, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 
releases to paperback.  Among the rumors were that the book was too 
long to release in paperback form...but then look at many other books 
that release in paperback that long (Clancy, WEB Griffin, Tolkien, 
and some other SF/F authors come to mind).

Jan 2003--The long-awaited announcement comes...Harry Potter and the 
Order of the Phoenix has a release date.

Jun 2003--HP & OoP released...hoards of ravenous HP fans gobble down 
millions of copies and beg for more.

Jul/Aug 2004--the anticipated release of OoP in paperback, although 
in Britian, it will be released 1 month earlier.

Okay so what right?  Except, why did it take half the time for OoP (a 
longer book) to release to paperback?  The mad fans (that's us) all 
bought copies the first day/night.  Why rush printing?  

I believed that around December 2004 we will have an answer to our 
most wanted question --When is book 6 coming out?--

>From the Letter Box Project, JKR has said that the writing for book 6 
is "flowing like a mountain stream."  Given the 5-6 month proofing 
and printing period for the millions of copies needed, I'd say we are 
looking at a Summer 2005 release!  This is just theory and 
speculation.  It is not meant to deceive or anything...

What do you think?

Amber



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From full_pensieve at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 09:45:53 2004
From: full_pensieve at yahoo.com (full_pensieve)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:45:53 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <20040218051239.5444.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c0vc8h+m3pv@eGroups.com>

Scholastic, the US publisher for the HP books, is on a June 1 to May 
31 fiscal year; Order of the Phoenix was released in the first month 
of its 2004 fiscal year.  Bloomsbury, the UK publisher, is on a 
January 1 to December 31 fiscal year.  Similarly, AOL Time Warner, 
the corporate parent of the Warner Bros. motion picture studio, is 
on a calendar fiscal year.  

I'm not sure the theory holds up on the basis of alternating book 
and film releases - the two properties are, after all, in different 
corporate hands.  However, hardcover and paperback releases in 
alternating fiscal years might provide a good business case for the 
theory - if the author is inclined or able to cooperate.  If Book 6 
releases roughly 2 years to the day from OotP (mid-to-late June, 
2005), then you may indeed be seeing economics at work; a release in 
the first month of the fiscal year makes sense for Scholastic if 
they want to book the majority of revenue in a single year (as both 
initial release and the predictable Christmastime bump fall in the 
same June-May window).

Most US businesses operate on calendar fiscal years, unless the 
business cycle in their particular segment dictates otherwise (e.g. 
some heavily seasonal retailers are March to February, to catch 
Christmas in 4Q; many US education-related businesses, like 
Scholastic, end their fiscal years in the summer; the US Federal 
gov't is October to September, due to election cycles; etc.).

Cheers,
Full Pensieve  

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> I think that's a wonderful theory and that it's correct, but for 
different reasons.  Publishing houses and movie studios are 
essentially Slytherins, not that they're evil, but that they are 
interested in monetary gains.  Money is power.  
>  
> Most businesses run on a July 1 to June 30 fiscal year.  July 2004 
will see the movie HP-PoA, July 2003 saw the book HP-OoP, November 
2002 saw the movie HP-CoS, November 2001 saw the movie HP-SS(PS for 
you Brits), July 2000 saw the book HP-GoF, October 1999 saw the book 
HP-PoA: this is when HP started to become a phenomenon (and a 
finacial windfall to the Slytherins mentioned above).  
>  
> So I see book 6, Harry Potter and the Something or Other, coming 
out after June 30, 2005.  Most likely in July of that fiscal year.  
This then means that the movie HP-GoB will probably have a July 2006 
release date.
>  
> -Kemper
> 
> Amber <ambiree at b...> wrote:
> Okay, call me an idiot...(actually don't, I'll cry)...but I have 
this 
> strange theory about when book 6 will be released.  Those I've 
told 
> around me think it's brilliant, but I will sacrifice it on the 
alter 
> of 
> the members of this group to see if my theory holds...okay?  Be 
kind 
> if you don't agree...
> 
> I kinda made this up with the realization that OoP is releasing in 
> paperback in August.
> 
> July 2000--Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is released!  Yeah, 
> the Potter fans go crazy.
> 
> Sept 2002--After 27 months, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 
> releases to paperback.  Among the rumors were that the book was 
too 
> long to release in paperback form...but then look at many other 
books 
> that release in paperback that long (Clancy, WEB Griffin, Tolkien, 
> and some other SF/F authors come to mind).
> 
> Jan 2003--The long-awaited announcement comes...Harry Potter and 
the 
> Order of the Phoenix has a release date.
> 
> Jun 2003--HP & OoP released...hoards of ravenous HP fans gobble 
down 
> millions of copies and beg for more.
> 
> Jul/Aug 2004--the anticipated release of OoP in paperback, 
although 
> in Britian, it will be released 1 month earlier.
> 
> Okay so what right?  Except, why did it take half the time for OoP 
(a 
> longer book) to release to paperback?  The mad fans (that's us) 
all 
> bought copies the first day/night.  Why rush printing?  
> 
> I believed that around December 2004 we will have an answer to our 
> most wanted question --When is book 6 coming out?--
> 
> From the Letter Box Project, JKR has said that the writing for 
book 6 
> is "flowing like a mountain stream."  Given the 5-6 month proofing 
> and printing period for the millions of copies needed, I'd say we 
are 
> looking at a Summer 2005 release!  This is just theory and 
> speculation.  It is not meant to deceive or anything...
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Amber
> 
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Feb 18 11:43:08 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:43:08 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <c0u5ld+fg75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0vj4c+rf09@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote:

> Sept 2002--After 27 months, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 
> releases to paperback.  

> Jan 2003--The long-awaited announcement comes...Harry Potter and 
the 
> Order of the Phoenix has a release date.

As I understand it, the theory is that the announcement of the 
release date of the new book is a few months after the publication 
(in the USA only) of the paperback.

> From the Letter Box Project, JKR has said that the writing for 
book 6 
> is "flowing like a mountain stream."  Given the 5-6 month proofing 
> and printing period for the millions of copies needed, I'd say we 
are 
> looking at a Summer 2005 release!  This is just theory and 
> speculation.  It is not meant to deceive or anything...

I agree that the summer 2005 date is the most plausible (by the 
reasoning that Annemehr has already explained; JKR has said she 
expects Book 6 to be shorter than GOF and OOP, FWIW), but I don't 
believe in the theory.  First, GOF came out in paperback in the UK 
about a year after publication (fairly normal for the UK, I think) 
and I heard of no particular difficulty about that.

Second, and more important, I thought it was pretty clear towards 
the end that the publication of OOP was driven purely by JKR's own 
timetable, which in turn was largely a matter of carrying on until 
finished.  IIRC, Bloomsbury had a false alarm when they announced 
that the release date would be publicised within a day or so, and 
then it wasn't.  Everybody, including the alleged uber-Slytherins at 
Bloomsbury, Scholastic and WB, was reduced simply to waiting until 
JKR was satisfied that she has finished, and she would give no 
guarantees and set no deadlines.

In general, businesses like cash sooner rather than later; they and 
their shareholders like certainty, and they like to support their 
share price by announcing future expectations of revenue.  All these 
factors mean that Bloomsbury and Scholastic (WB have no say in this) 
want Book 6 to be published as soon as possible, and they want to be 
able to tell the public the release date as soon as they know it 
themselves.

Publication of the paperback version of a book *is* something that 
is probably dictated by considerations of maximum discounted 
cashflow: too early and hardback sales suffer; too late and the 
public loses interest (and, probably more important, the revenue 
stream is deferred).  Just possibly, if Book 6 came along soon 
enough, they might reconsider the OOP paperback date, but not, I 
think, the other way around.

So I think that at the moment Bloomsbury and Scholastic have little 
better idea than we have (they probably do know how much progress 
she has made, though), and when they do, they will tell us, and get 
the thing out as soon as possible after that.

David




From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 13:27:55 2004
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:27:55 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <c0vj4c+rf09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0vp8r+ksa3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:

> I agree that the summer 2005 date is the most plausible (by the 
> reasoning that Annemehr has already explained; JKR has said she 
> expects Book 6 to be shorter than GOF and OOP, FWIW)
 
> David

Alshain:

Yeah, that was what she used to say about book five while she was 
writing it (that it was going to be shorter than GoF, I mean). :-) 
While I'm happy to hear that she's happily writing away (and may the 
patron saint of all writers protect her from writer's block and plot 
holes) I think it's going to take the time it takes. 

Alshain





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 14:05:46 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:05:46 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <c0vp8r+ksa3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c0vrfq+k2tq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alshainofthenorth" <alshainofthenorth at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
> <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> > I agree that the summer 2005 date is the most plausible (by the 
> > reasoning that Annemehr has already explained; JKR has said she 
> > expects Book 6 to be shorter than GOF and OOP, FWIW)
>  
> > David
> 
> Alshain:
> 
> Yeah, that was what she used to say about book five while she was 
> writing it (that it was going to be shorter than GoF, I mean). :-) 
> While I'm happy to hear that she's happily writing away (and may the 
> patron saint of all writers protect her from writer's block and plot 
> holes) I think it's going to take the time it takes. 
> 
> Alshain

Annemehr:

Actually, what I said was that I don't think it will take her three years to write this one.  I'd say it's about even money whether it's 
shorter or longer than OoP.  But this time, she's not so burned out, if she takes breaks from writing it they're probably much shorter 
than last time (when IIRC she wrote parts of another novel she said she liked), and she's probably not going to be giving birth again for 
a while.

How important do  people think a summer release is?  I have a feeling that if she misses the window for a summer '05 release, they'd 
actually just hold it for summer '06.  That seems to defy logic, money-wise -- you'd think they'd just publish it ASAP to get the 
revenue.  On the other hand, maybe putting out a blockbuster children's book around the beginning of the summer will result in higher 
sales of other books, because the kids are more likely to buy more books to read after HP during the summer than they would if 
school was on.

Annemehr
taking a break from HP theories to indulge in HP publishing theories





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Feb 18 16:48:16 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:48:16 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Doodles
In-Reply-To: <c0uksu+s08m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3f63f$077b4ec0$18667144@Einstein>

> Annemehr
>
> Turns out Robbie Coltrane and
> Richard Griffiths are real artists, and Miriam Morgolyes' entry is a
> real "hoot" (so to speak!).
> 
> The highest bid so far is for one by Nick Park, who did an adorable
> pic of Gromit.

Iggy here:

I agree on all counts there.  Julie Walters has some hidden artistic
talent there too.  Oh, and Miriam's pic... she's not holding
"Sprouts"... they're more like full grown cabbages.  (A little something
to further whet the curiosity of the folks out there.) 

(Gotta love Grommit, BTW.  Anything by Aardman Animation ROCKS, IMHO.)

Roger Moore did a rather simple but classic doodle as well.

Uri Geller (a famous paranormallist) did a rather interesting drawing.

Jonathan Pryce (my choice for Crouch Sr) has some artistic talent too.

Joanna Lumley did a great pic of Buddha


> 
> Annemehr
> who wonders why USAmericans can never seem to think up such fun ways
> to raise funds, but instead seem to go all earnest, intense, and often
> confrontational

Iggy here:

Might I point out the "Comic Relief" (the original one) set of Comedy
Shows/Telethons for the homeless?  Then there's a number of charitable
auctions where stars donate artwork and personal items for different
charities.  (I know, from personal experience, that some stars like
David Ogden Stiers only give their autographs for things that have to do
with charitable auctions because they want to have very few out there in
order to keep the value up for the charities.)  I've also heard of a
number of "date auctions" where stars participate in auctioning off a
date and their company for the evening to benefit charities.

Unfortunately, those things just don't seem to be publicized as much.
(I'll also point out that the only way most of us probably know about
this, is because the Leaky Cauldron mentioned it.. and even then, they
wouldn't have if HP stars weren't involved, to be honest.)


Iggy McSnurd

(Who, while browsing through the IMDB realized that if the trend
continues for the actors who play James Bond, the next one can only be
from New Zeeland.

Sean Connery = Scotland
George Lazenby = Australia
Roger Moore = England
Timothy Dalton = Wales
Pierce Brosnan = Ireland

Which only leaves New Zeeland... or... hmmm... South Africa? To keep him
remotely related to Britain.  Of course, we all know he won't be
American, unless he was born in the US and lived in Britain most of his
life...

BTW: Apparently I missed having the same B-Day as Brosnan by one day...
Mine's May 15th, his is the 16th.)






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 17:44:16 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:44:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Doodles
In-Reply-To: <000101c3f63f$077b4ec0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <20040218174416.22237.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com>

What about a James Bond actor from India or Hong Kong?

Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at charter.net> wrote:

(Who, while browsing through the IMDB realized that if the trend
continues for the actors who play James Bond, the next one can only be
from New Zeeland.

Sean Connery = Scotland
George Lazenby = Australia
Roger Moore = England
Timothy Dalton = Wales
Pierce Brosnan = Ireland

Which only leaves New Zeeland... or... hmmm... South Africa? To keep him
remotely related to Britain.  Of course, we all know he won't be
American, unless he was born in the US and lived in Britain most of his
life...

BTW: Apparently I missed having the same B-Day as Brosnan by one day...
Mine's May 15th, his is the 16th.)





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From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 18:03:35 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:03:35 -0000
Subject: And you wonder why the Magic World keeps itself secret.
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f306$a3ebaa70$18667144@Einstein>
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Iggy wrote: 

>I've had some similar "interesting" things happen for me. D?j? vu is 
>a regular thing for me, I used to be able to predict earthquakes 
>with uncanny accuracy, I've known things about people who were a few 
>thousand miles away while talking to them on the phone and had no 
>way of knowing, I've been able to "impulse contact" people 
>telepathically (that's when it's not direct words, rather it's more 
>of a notion that pops into their head), and have been able to 
>receive and project emotions. (Thank you to my higher Powers for 
>good shielding.) 

That's amazing, Iggy! Does this work for other things, like 
predicting the stock market? Have you ever been right about anything 
really serious like September 11 and are you wrong sometimes? I think 
if I had a power like this I'd never stop buying lottery tickets.  

Sometimes I feel like I have no "women's intuition" (as they call it) 
at all.  I'm pretty good at avoiding car accidents because I do have 
an ability to read the subtle cues drivers give off before they do 
something that might cause an accident.

Paula 





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 18:52:07 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:52:07 -0000
Subject: Doodles
In-Reply-To: <000101c3f63f$077b4ec0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c10c8n+4ou0@eGroups.com>


> > Annemehr
> > who wonders why USAmericans can never seem to think up such fun ways
> > to raise funds, but instead seem to go all earnest, intense, and often
> > confrontational
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> Might I point out the "Comic Relief" (the original one) set of Comedy
> Shows/Telethons for the homeless?  Then there's a number of charitable
> auctions where stars donate artwork and personal items for different
> charities.  (I know, from personal experience, that some stars like
> David Ogden Stiers only give their autographs for things that have to do
> with charitable auctions because they want to have very few out there in
> order to keep the value up for the charities.)  I've also heard of a
> number of "date auctions" where stars participate in auctioning off a
> date and their company for the evening to benefit charities.


Annemehr:
Ye-es, but telethons and auctions and whatever-athons are very much
just more of the Same Old Thing.  This Doodle thing on Ebay shows real
imagination.  The fact that anyone can go look at something that may
be much more personal than a mere autograph will attract a lot of
attention and potential bidders.  Besides, it's so much fun.  I
realise it is another auction, but the beauty of it is in *what* is
being auctioned.

It comes to mind that in the UK they also have a thing called "Red
Nose Day" for charity, where people go around wearing red clown noses
(which I presume they bought so that the proceeds went to the charity
involved -- wasn't it connected with Comic Relief UK the year JKR did
the HP schoolbooks?).  See, there's another imaginative idea.

Iggy:
> Unfortunately, those things just don't seem to be publicized as much.
> (I'll also point out that the only way most of us probably know about
> this, is because the Leaky Cauldron mentioned it.. and even then, they
> wouldn't have if HP stars weren't involved, to be honest.)

Annemehr:
True -- for us in the USA.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was much
more widely heard of in the UK, though.  After all, they are doodles
by British celebrities for British charities.

Anyway, you're going to have to admit you thought the idea was fun --
I can tell from your post you spent a certain amount of time there!  :)

Annemehr
-- surprised there was so much to write about this subject, but hey,
I'm willing if you are!  :)





From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 19 05:50:18 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:50:18 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe my clone?
Message-ID: <c11iqq+4j6q@eGroups.com>

I might as well share with you folks... 

http://cyberpawz.dyndns.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-7795

There was a point that I had exactly the same haircut, too, and then 
HP1 movie came out... friends and family of mine were surprised...  
It's intriguing for me to watch HP films; I feel as though I am 
watching my son or something...  Even though he has blue eyes...

A.J.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Feb 19 11:22:11 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:22:11 -0000
Subject: Computer help wanted (Seven Habits of Highly Frustrated People)
In-Reply-To: <c0ujg3+4d0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c12693+g1tc@eGroups.com>

Amy McCoy asked:

> > Does anyone out there understand FranklinCovey Planning 
Software, 
> > especially as regards syncing it with a Palm handheld?  I have 
been 
> > having the most frustrating adventures trying to get these two, 
> > supposedly compatible technologies to work together.  

Joy Spock:

> Whenever I have a technical problem I can't solve, I always just 
> reverse the polarity of the dilithium modules on the warp 
engines.  
> Works every time!

Ye canna do that, ye pointy-eared loon!  D'ye no' ken the verteron 
particle emissions'll throw us clear from Arbroath tae Arcturus?  
Ye'll blow the wee laddie in the red shairt awa' tae his doom!

But dinna fash yersel'.  Ye could set the transporter to beam into 
anti-space and send a decalibrated photon torpedo armed with 
tachyons.  It's crazy but... it might just work!

Hoots

Scotty




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 20 02:25:03 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:25:03 -0800
Subject: Quiz
Message-ID: <000c01c3f758$c01525e0$bcde6251@kathryn>

I found this quiz - and there's a Harry Potter question in it! So I thought I'd send it to you guys. I managed to answer a grand total of 2/10 which says something about either my memory or the newsworthyness of the quotes in the quiz - or both.

http://cgi.bairn.plus.com/cgi-bin/int/04january.cgi

K
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 00:38:33 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:38:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Amanda Jayne! (Belated)
Message-ID: <20040220003833.27518.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

*sneaks in, hoping no one is looking, and tries to
hang streamers with bandaged fingers*

Yes, I missed yesterday's birthday. My sincere
apologies to Amanda Jayne.

Yesterday's birthday honouree, as you may have
gathered, was Amanda Jayne. Belated birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to:
amandajgrundy at hotmail.com

I hope your day was wonderful and brought everything
you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Amanda Jayne!

Sheryll the bad, bad Birthday Elf

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 00:42:43 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:42:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Haggridd!
Message-ID: <20040220004243.12519.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>

*pulls out the extra box of decorations and tries to
figure out how in the world to hang more streamers and
fairy lights in the already decorated room*

Ooops, nearly forgot,

*leaves briefly and returns with the karoake machine*

Can't forget that FILKers need the appropriate
equipment to make the party right!

Today's birthday honouree is Haggridd. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to:
jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com

I hope your day is magical and the FILKers carry on
the party with you until the sun comes up!

Happy Birthday, Haggridd!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Feb 20 04:07:19 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 04:07:19 -0000
Subject: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
Message-ID: <c1415n+8nf9@eGroups.com>

Here's what Lupin looks like in werewolf mode and also what's under 
the dementors' hoods. The Lupin figure, with its interchangeable 
heads (one stores inside the body!) is scarier than the dementor!

(This link was posted on Mugglenet, so if it doesn't work here, you 
can go to their site and go right to it.)

http://69.93.35.18/photo/1/showgallery.php?cat=1276&password=

Ms. Tattersall






From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 07:27:39 2004
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:27:39 -0000
Subject: KathyK's Amazing Australia Adventure
Message-ID: <c14ctb+7l4a@eGroups.com>

Hi All!

Goodness, it's been a while since I posted anything to OTChatter.  
For that matter, I haven't been playing on the Main List as much as 
I'd like to be.  Being busy is most unfun.  

I wanted to share with you my exciting news, which also happens to 
be the reason I've not been around much.  It's because I've been 
working very hard to save as much money as possible and to get 
myself all prepared.  And here's why--this is from a letter I wrote 
to my family and friends because I'm being tired and lazy:

"[My friend] and I are going to Australia. First, we're going to
Las Vegas to visit some cool friends who live out that way and from
there we'll be traveling to California to visit some other wonderful
folks. We leave for Australia at the very beginning of March. We
will be there until July on a working holiday visa.

"This mass email will be a one-time thing. I don't like sending
email to a whole mess of people. I've set up a livejournal to keep
people up on what's new with me. You can access that at:

http://opaleye_dragon.livejournal.com

"I'm still very new to all this fun computer stuff so the journal is
nice and simple right now. One day I'll learn how to make it look
snappy."

So...that's the plan.  I'm very excited and quite nervous.  Right 
now excitement is winning.  Once I set foot in an airport, though, 
nervous will surely take over.  Boy, do I hate airplanes!  Something 
about lack of control, I think.  We're hoping to use alcohol to 
combat the problem. <g> 

Anyhoo, I'll try and stop in and say, "howdy," when I get a chance.  
Thanks to everyone for all the great discussions I've read and 
participated in for the last... almost nine months.  Nine Months!  
Oh my!  It's been that long?  I still feel like I just got here.  
I hope to talk to you soon.

KathyK

Oh! If anyone here actually *does* go visit the LJ and happens to 
read the comments to my one and only entry there, I just wanted to 
let you know when my friend calls me "KKK" she's referring to the 
initials of my name rather than any sort of organization.  No one's 
ever missed *that* distinction before... 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Feb 20 11:11:03 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:11:03 -0000
Subject: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c1415n+8nf9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c14q07+7jbd@eGroups.com>

Ms. Tattersall wrote:

> Here's what Lupin looks like in werewolf mode and also what's 
under 
> the dementors' hoods. The Lupin figure, with its interchangeable 
> heads (one stores inside the body!) is scarier than the dementor!
> 
> http://69.93.35.18/photo/1/showgallery.php?cat=1276&password=

The whole lot are scary, if you ask me.  The fear that a 
civilisation that produces this sort of tat cannot last is 
outweighed only by the fear that it might.

I have some questions, though.  Are those lumps of coloured 
congealed snot supposed to be a Patronus?  And that blue swirly 
thing that looks like a cross between the genie of the lamp and an 
ice cream cone - is that meant to be a potions cauldron, a Pensieve, 
or what?  As for that stunt where Harry does a handstand while 
balancing a broomstick on his feet, c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est 
pas la Quidditch.  And those kids pictured on the cover of 
the 'Catch the Golden Snitch' set: why are they attempting Draco's 
wide mouthed frog impersonation?

David, channelling Brian Sewell and wondering if WB, Disney and 
Comcast have interchangeable heads, too




From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 13:25:53 2004
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:25:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HPPS in Ancient Greek coming July 10th
Message-ID: <20040220132553.4994.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>

News article at

http://tinyurl.com/2e97s

(aka http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=
/nm/20040220/od_uk_nm/oukoe_arts_potter_greek_1)

Here are some of the translations of names:

Harry Potter --> Hareios Poter: "Warrior Cup"

Voldemort --> Folidomortos: "Scaly Death"

Hogwarts --> Huogoetou: "hog" + "wizard"

Quidditch --> Ikarosfairike: "Ikarus ball"
referring (rather ominously!) to the mythological 
Ikarus, who fell to his death after flying too 
close to the sun.

I wonder if JKR had input on this translation...

Petra
a
n  :)

Speaking of 'dead' languages <eg> ...

* Argumentum ad Smith & Wessum:
"I've got a gun!  Therefore I am right."

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 20 13:57:17 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:57:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c1415n+8nf9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3f7b9$7caf75b0$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Here's what Lupin looks like in werewolf mode and also what's under
> the dementors' hoods. The Lupin figure, with its interchangeable
> heads (one stores inside the body!) is scarier than the dementor!
> 
> (This link was posted on Mugglenet, so if it doesn't work here, you
> can go to their site and go right to it.)
> 
> http://69.93.35.18/photo/1/showgallery.php?cat=1276&password=
> 
> Ms. Tattersall

Iggy here:

It still doesn't seem to show at all what's under a dementor's robes...
aside from a few glimpses of what looks to be a skeletal form... and
nothing of their faces.

>From what I can tell, the guy with the wrinkly grey skin and the wand
who appears to be firing a spell of *green light* is a pic if a GoF
graveyard scene/post-resurrection Voldemort.

I think the Lupin/werewolf figure looks cool considering the physical
limitations they had to work with in having it be able to "transform" a
pit more, stand on two legs, and prowl on all fours.  (I think they
could have done a little better, but then it would be two separate
figures and not a changing one...)

Iggy McSnurd
(Who thinks the Dumbledore figure looks cool.)





From coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 14:34:44 2004
From: coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com (coolbeans3131)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:34:44 -0000
Subject: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c1415n+8nf9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c155u4+10r6o@eGroups.com>

OK, this one cracks me up!  

http://tinyurl.com/26qsu

I would love to see the look on Daniel Radcliffe's face when he sees 
this for the first time!

Joj




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 20 14:55:31 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:55:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c155u4+10r6o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3f7c1$98f3f720$18667144@Einstein>


> OK, this one cracks me up!
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/26qsu
> 
> I would love to see the look on Daniel Radcliffe's face when he sees
> this for the first time!
> 
> Joj

Iggy here:

Doesn't really look like him, does it?

(Besides, in the pic, it looks like his fly is open.  *chuckle*)

Iggy McSnurd







From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 20 14:59:55 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:59:55 -0000
Subject: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c14q07+7jbd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c157db+babr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> I have some questions, though.  Are those lumps of coloured 
> congealed snot supposed to be a Patronus?  And that blue swirly 
> thing that looks like a cross between the genie of the lamp and an 
> ice cream cone - is that meant to be a potions cauldron, a 
Pensieve, 
> or what?  

Jen: I'm thinking that's a cauldron of Wolfsbane, no? I thought it 
was a Pensieve at first too, but (crosses fingers) I *hope* the 
movie won't be that inaccurate. 

I liked the Lupin-Werewolf! Reminds me of my son's Power Rangers, 
the way the two heads flip around and store in the chest. And 
actually, if the face is a close portrayl of how Davis Thewlis looks 
as Lupin, I'm feeling a little more optimistic.

But what was the ice figure? Was that a Dementor without the hood? A 
ghost? Vapormort? I didn't get it.

Jen, thinking these fall into the 'fun to look at but never buy' 
category




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 20 15:23:07 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:23:07 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c157db+babr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3f7c5$7706d3e0$18667144@Einstein>



> Jen: 
> But what was the ice figure? Was that a Dementor without the hood? A
> ghost? Vapormort? I didn't get it.

Iggy here: 

Ummmm... Harry under his invisibility cloak?  (Didn't you notice the
glasses?)

Iggy McSnurd







From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 20 16:26:13 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:26:13 -0000
Subject: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <000501c3f7c5$7706d3e0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c15cf5+sg4k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
 
> > Jen: 
> > But what was the ice figure? Was that a Dementor without the 
hood? A
> > ghost? Vapormort? I didn't get it.
> 

> Iggy here: 
> 
> Ummmm... Harry under his invisibility cloak?  (Didn't you notice 
the
> glasses?)

Jen: Ooooooh, that's who it is. Creepy. I never would have guessed 
that--thanks Iggy!





From gullicksen at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 19:05:52 2004
From: gullicksen at yahoo.com (kbmum2000)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:05:52 -0000
Subject: looking for house crests
Message-ID: <c15lqg+3gmq@eGroups.com>

I'm trying to find detailed, full-color pictures of the crests for 
Hogwarts and the four houses.  I've found pictures of the shields, 
but I'm looking for the shield, topped by the helmet from a suit of 
armor, and the whole thing is surrounded by a vine and leaf scroll 
design.  My daughter and I are working on an art project and need to 
see what colors are used.  Thanks!

Cindy




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Feb 21 04:38:07 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 04:38:07 -0000
Subject: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c14q07+7jbd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c16nbf+nkd7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:

> I have some questions, though.  (snip)  And that blue swirly 
> thing that looks like a cross between the genie of the lamp and an 
> ice cream cone - is that meant to be a potions cauldron, a Pensieve, 
> or what?  

At first I thought it was a toilet, but then I saw the pedestal and
realized that it was a birdbath. I don't know why someone dumped red
Jell-O into the birdbath.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Feb 21 04:41:04 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 04:41:04 -0000
Subject: KathyK's Amazing Australia Adventure
In-Reply-To: <c14ctb+7l4a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c16nh0+uv9h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "KathyK" <zanelupin at y...> wrote:

> "[My friend] and I are going to Australia. First, we're going to
> Las Vegas to visit some cool friends who live out that way and from
> there we'll be traveling to California to visit some other wonderful
> folks. We leave for Australia at the very beginning of March. We
> will be there until July on a working holiday visa.

Congratulations on doing something that makes you sound so happily
excited! 

Write to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-California/messages
before your visit here, and HPfGU folk will rush to meet you.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Feb 21 04:56:30 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 04:56:30 -0000
Subject: looking for house crests
In-Reply-To: <c15lqg+3gmq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c16odu+a2kj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kbmum2000" <gullicksen at y...>
wrote:
> I'm trying to find detailed, full-color pictures of the crests for 
> Hogwarts and the four houses.  I've found pictures of the shields, 
> but I'm looking for the shield, topped by the helmet from a suit of 
> armor, and the whole thing is surrounded by a vine and leaf scroll 
> design.  My daughter and I are working on an art project and need to 
> see what colors are used.  Thanks!
> 
> Cindy

It's at http://patchpalace.com/ but that home page takes *forever* to
load and then you have to click on the thumbnail for the big picture
to open in a new window at:
http://patchpalace.com/FANCY_hogwart.html





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Feb 21 14:50:35 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:50:35 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Action Figures *Spoilers!*
In-Reply-To: <c16nbf+nkd7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3f88a$13108190$18667144@Einstein>

> From: Catlady 
> 
> At first I thought it was a toilet, but then I saw the pedestal and
> realized that it was a birdbath. I don't know why someone dumped red
> Jell-O into the birdbath.

Iggy here:

It was Fred and George.  They wanted to play a prank on the Birds and
watch them hit the Jell-O at full speed expecting it to be water.

Iggy McSnurd
(Who, as a teen, loved it when the family cat was so eager to get out of
the house, she would smack into the screen door after he opened the
sliding class door for her.  She eventually learned to be patient and
give Iggy a chance to open the screen door too...)






From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 21 20:42:39 2004
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:42:39 -0000
Subject: HPPS in Ancient Greek coming July 10th
In-Reply-To: <20040220132553.4994.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c18frv+dkdi@eGroups.com>

HP in Ancient Greek delivery date has been announced?

Really?  *Finally*?

::does happy dance::

I told my parents taking Ancient Greek in college would pay off. 

Nothing like have an Ancient Greek New Testament right next to 
an Ancient Greek Hareios Poter kia Petra para Filosofos.  

::big evil grin::  
(though maybe a blush if I got that wrong)
(my Greek dictionary is at home)


Melody








From editor at texas.net  Sat Feb 21 22:16:39 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:16:39 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] looking for house crests
References: <c15lqg+3gmq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c3f8c8$61904ba0$ed5aaacf@texas.net>

I will spare you my usual heraldry lecture about terminology. I'd suggest
you go to eBay and do a search on each House. There's loads of patches,
etc., up for sale and they'll show you what you need to know.

~Amanda

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] looking for house crests


> I'm trying to find detailed, full-color pictures of the crests for
> Hogwarts and the four houses.  I've found pictures of the shields,
> but I'm looking for the shield, topped by the helmet from a suit of
> armor, and the whole thing is surrounded by a vine and leaf scroll
> design.  My daughter and I are working on an art project and need to
> see what colors are used.  Thanks!
>
> Cindy
>
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From stanleys at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 22 01:04:29 2004
From: stanleys at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:04:29 -0000
Subject: Possible Theory on the Release of Book 6
In-Reply-To: <c0u5ld+fg75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c18v6t+1v3k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amber" <ambiree at b...> wrote:
> Okay, call me an idiot...(actually don't, I'll cry)...but I have 
this 
> strange theory about when book 6 will be released.  Those I've told 
> around me think it's brilliant, but I will sacrifice it on the 
alter 
> of 
> the members of this group to see if my theory holds...okay?  Be 
kind 
> if you don't agree...
> 
> I kinda made this up with the realization that OoP is releasing in 
> paperback in August.
> 
> July 2000--Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is released!  Yeah, 
> the Potter fans go crazy.
> 
> Sept 2002--After 27 months, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 
> releases to paperback.  Among the rumors were that the book was too 
> long to release in paperback form...but then look at many other 
books 
> that release in paperback that long (Clancy, WEB Griffin, Tolkien, 
> and some other SF/F authors come to mind).
> 
> Jan 2003--The long-awaited announcement comes...Harry Potter and 
the 
> Order of the Phoenix has a release date.
> 
> Jun 2003--HP & OoP released...hoards of ravenous HP fans gobble 
down 
> millions of copies and beg for more.
> 
> Jul/Aug 2004--the anticipated release of OoP in paperback, although 
> in Britian, it will be released 1 month earlier.
> 
> Okay so what right?  Except, why did it take half the time for OoP 
(a 
> longer book) to release to paperback?  The mad fans (that's us) all 
> bought copies the first day/night.  Why rush printing?  
> 
> I believed that around December 2004 we will have an answer to our 
> most wanted question --When is book 6 coming out?--
> 
> From the Letter Box Project, JKR has said that the writing for book 
6 
> is "flowing like a mountain stream."  Given the 5-6 month proofing 
> and printing period for the millions of copies needed, I'd say we 
are 
> looking at a Summer 2005 release!  This is just theory and 
> speculation.  It is not meant to deceive or anything...
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Amber

Here is my fantasy...The March 4th chat will bring the revelation 
that JKR is "tweeking" book 6 and the publication date will be at the 
*other* solstice.  IOW December 2004!

I really do think the whole solstice thing is a hint of some kind, 
either a hint for something upcoming in the septology or she was 
toying with us about future release dates ("and none will come 
after..."  My fantasy theory is that she was really close to 
completing book 6 when OotP was published and she has known since 
last June about when she would be done.

Ohhh, I wish it were so...
Sue, who knows that all of the books have released in the summer, 
most of them on, or around, Harry's birthday.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Feb 22 02:43:57 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 02:43:57 -0000
Subject: looking for house crests
In-Reply-To: <00c601c3f8c8$61904ba0$ed5aaacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <c1951d+dgvf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...>
wrote:

> I will spare you my usual heraldry lecture about terminology. 

So I'll say it for you. "Crest" means only the little thing on top of
the helmet, such as the wizard's hat for Gryffindor, the eagle head
for Ravenclaw, snake head for Slytherin, running badger for
Hufflepuff, and Golden Snitch for Hogwarts. The thing Cindy kbmum is
looking for is called "shield of arms" or "coat of arms". I suspect
it's not the full "achievement of arms" because surely Hogwarts also
has supporters (probably winged boars as on the front gateposts).

I don't understand why the movie people felt compelled to behead the
poor eagle and snake used as the crests. I also have a theory that
wizarding heraldry has a rule, unknown to Muggle heralds, that a
person who earned arms by being a wizard or witch uses a wizard's hat
 INSTEAD of a helmet to sit on top of their shield. IIRC Fox-Davies
says a bishop gets a bishop's hat instead of a helmet, but doesn't get
a crest because there is no place on a bishop's hat to attach one.
That doesn't affect wizards: their crests can just levitate over their
hats.  

Cindy wanted to check the colors ["tinctures" to heralds], and I don't
know if she wanted to be just like the movie or to be accurate. If the
latter, the "H" is supposed to be purple, not black, and I was hoping
you'd comment on some other little things: the tinctures of the wreath
and mantling. (Note to Cindy et alia: originally the mantling was
kaffiyeh and the wreath was agal, copied by Crusaders to shade their
metal helmets from the hot sun shining on them, but they have become
the decorative curly lettuce leaves on achievements of arms.) IIRC the
mantling and crest are supposed to be the main color (red, blue,
green, black, purple) and the main metal (gold = yellow, silver =
white) of the shield. 

I suppose for Hogwarts, that would be gold and purple? These patches
show the wreath as all red and the mantling as all gold. Gryffindor's
should be red and gold, as its mantling is shown, but its wreath is
shown as all silver or all blue. Hufflepuff's should be gold and
black, not this blend of shades of brown. And here they go sticking a
red and silver wreath on Ravenclaw, whose color is definitely blue,
regardless of disputes about its metal: silver in the movie, 'bronze'
(gold) in the books. 




From coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 14:48:02 2004
From: coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com (coolbeans3131)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:48:02 -0000
Subject: POA Action Figures - Where's Ron?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f88a$13108190$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <c1aff2+f5fa@eGroups.com>

>From this article about the new toys  http://tinyurl.com/yqf5d  we 
get-



"Harry Potter and Hermione Granger Fashion Dolls - The two main 
characters in the Harry Potter literary and movie series' come "to 
life" as fashion dolls. Each comes dressed in the clothes made to 
look like those worn throughout most of the upcoming Harry Potter 
movie," "The Prisoner of Azkaban." The Harry Potter fashion doll 
comes dressed in denim slacks, a burgundy colored t-shirt, socks, 
sneakers, blue knit jacket and traditional Hogwarts robe, while the 
Hermione Granger fashion doll comes dressed in tan corduroy slacks, 
multi-striped knit top with hood, sneakers, and her Time-Turner 
accessory. SRP of $14.99. Available April 2004."

Why no Ron?  Because his clothes in POA are kinda lame?  Poor Ron!

Joj




From gullicksen at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 16:33:45 2004
From: gullicksen at yahoo.com (kbmum2000)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:33:45 -0000
Subject: looking for house crests
In-Reply-To: <c1951d+dgvf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1alla+308d@eGroups.com>

Wow, I definitely did not expect this much information!  You 
mentioned there are differences between the movie version and the 
accurate version.  How do you know what colors are accurate (such as 
the "H" in Hogwarts being purple instead of black)?

Sheesh, such trouble over a shrink art mobile for my daughter's 
room...



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" 
<editor at t...>
> wrote:
> 
> > I will spare you my usual heraldry lecture about terminology. 
> 
> So I'll say it for you. "Crest" means only the little thing on top 
of
> the helmet, such as the wizard's hat for Gryffindor, the eagle head
> for Ravenclaw, snake head for Slytherin, running badger for
> Hufflepuff, and Golden Snitch for Hogwarts. The thing Cindy kbmum 
is
> looking for is called "shield of arms" or "coat of arms". I suspect
> it's not the full "achievement of arms" because surely Hogwarts 
also
> has supporters (probably winged boars as on the front gateposts).
> 
> I don't understand why the movie people felt compelled to behead 
the
> poor eagle and snake used as the crests. I also have a theory that
> wizarding heraldry has a rule, unknown to Muggle heralds, that a
> person who earned arms by being a wizard or witch uses a wizard's 
hat
>  INSTEAD of a helmet to sit on top of their shield. IIRC Fox-Davies
> says a bishop gets a bishop's hat instead of a helmet, but doesn't 
get
> a crest because there is no place on a bishop's hat to attach one.
> That doesn't affect wizards: their crests can just levitate over 
their
> hats.  
> 
> Cindy wanted to check the colors ["tinctures" to heralds], and I 
don't
> know if she wanted to be just like the movie or to be accurate. If 
the
> latter, the "H" is supposed to be purple, not black, and I was 
hoping
> you'd comment on some other little things: the tinctures of the 
wreath
> and mantling. (Note to Cindy et alia: originally the mantling was
> kaffiyeh and the wreath was agal, copied by Crusaders to shade 
their
> metal helmets from the hot sun shining on them, but they have 
become
> the decorative curly lettuce leaves on achievements of arms.) IIRC 
the
> mantling and crest are supposed to be the main color (red, blue,
> green, black, purple) and the main metal (gold = yellow, silver =
> white) of the shield. 
> 
> I suppose for Hogwarts, that would be gold and purple? These 
patches
> show the wreath as all red and the mantling as all gold. 
Gryffindor's
> should be red and gold, as its mantling is shown, but its wreath is
> shown as all silver or all blue. Hufflepuff's should be gold and
> black, not this blend of shades of brown. And here they go 
sticking a
> red and silver wreath on Ravenclaw, whose color is definitely blue,
> regardless of disputes about its metal: silver in the 
movie, 'bronze'
> (gold) in the books.




From siskiou at msn.com  Sun Feb 22 18:52:03 2004
From: siskiou at msn.com (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:52:03 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Action Figures - Where's Ron?
In-Reply-To: <c1aff2+f5fa@eGroups.com>
References: <000001c3f88a$13108190$18667144@Einstein> <c1aff2+f5fa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9110016688.20040222105203@msn.com>



Hi,

Sunday, February 22, 2004, 6:48:02 AM, coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com wrote:

> "Harry Potter and Hermione Granger Fashion Dolls - The two main
> characters in the Harry Potter literary and movie series' come "to
> life" as fashion dolls.


> Why no Ron?  Because his clothes in POA are kinda lame? Poor Ron!

Well, it seems there are only two "main" characters in the
movies, and seeing what they did to Ron's character, it
isn't surprising.

It's hero Harry and heroine Hermione, and I'm really
starting to be disgusted with the movie franchise.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at msn.com

Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Feb 22 22:32:09 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:32:09 -0000
Subject: looking for house crests
In-Reply-To: <c1alla+308d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1bal9+6ggn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kbmum2000" <gullicksen at y...>
wrote:
> Wow, I definitely did not expect this much information!  You 
> mentioned there are differences between the movie version and the 
> accurate version.  How do you know what colors are accurate (such
> as the "H" in Hogwarts being purple instead of black)?

I hope Amanda can dig up better evidence for the H really being purple
than just how it was shown on WB merchandise before the first movie
(merchandise whose images were painted rather than photographed and
had their own errors, like blue jeans under the Hogwarts robes and
lumpy broomsticks), because so far I can't. Until you called it to my
attention, I hadn't realized that I was just *assuming* purple from
the purple wax seal on Harry's Hogwarts letter and the rationality of
the overall school not implying favoritism to one House by using its
color for the H.

My rant about the tinctures used for the wreaths and mantling is
simply based on the rules of RL heraldry, not on canon.

I didn't rant on the colors of the images and backgrounds of the four
Houses's arms, which most of the patches have kind of correct, but
there were some with purply backgrounds and a white instead of black
badger for Hufflepuff and a black raven instead of gold/silver/bronze
eagle for Ravenclaw. Canon about those colors is in GoF Chapter 15:

<<"When they went down to breakfast on the morning of the thirtieth of
October, they found that the Great Hall had been decorated overnight.
Enormous silk banners hung from the walls, each of them representing a
Hogwarts house ? red with a gold lion for Gryffindor, blue with a
bronze eagle for Ravenclaw, yellow with a black badger for Hufflepuff,
and green with a silver serpent for Slytherin. Behind the teachers'
table, the largest banner of all bore the Hogwarts coat of arms: lion,
eagle, badger and snake united around a large letter "H".>>

However, here is a place where I am fairly willing to break with RL
heraldry: in RL heraldry, the background has to stay the same each
time the arms are depicted. A solid color cannot, for example, be
changed to stripes of that color plus white. But I *like* further
decorating the House arms by turning the solid-color backgrounds into
stripes or checkers or quarters as done in WB's art.




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 23:55:24 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:55:24 -0000
Subject: Computer help wanted (Seven Habits of Highly Frustrated People)
In-Reply-To: <c12693+g1tc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1bfhc+o1q3@eGroups.com>

Joywitch, K, and Scottywitley wrote:

>various amusing responses

This place is full of entertainment, but not very helpful when it 
comes to tech support.  Better than FranklinCovey & Palm, who are 
neither entertaining nor helpful.

Amy Z




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 15:21:15 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:21:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Things I don't like about the media
Message-ID: <20040223152115.65674.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>

Lately, I've been really annoyed with how the media
treats actors that aren't ridiculously famous.  Both
of my complaints have to do with Lord of the Rings and
the SAG awards. First of all, during the acceptance
speech for best acting ensemble they let Sean Astin
stand up there and waste time waiting for applause
because he was saying that the actors in the guild
need to work to keep film making in the US...which I
think was a little hypocritical to say while accepting
an award for a film that was made entirely in another
hemisphere. So then once John Rhys Davies (Gimli)had
pushed him away from the mic and talked for a moment,
Andy Serkis tried to talk and they turned on the "shut
up" music. Yes, most of the people in LOTR did
fabulous acting jobs, but not one person on that stage
was a better actor than Andy Serkis and just because
no one has bothered to realize how much work he put
into being Gollum/Smeagol, he gets absolutely no
attention.

Second part of the complaint, on Yahoo pictures, there
are two instances where they have pictures of Billy
Boyd twice, but in one of them he's labeled as Dominic
Monaghan who wasn't actually at the awards. I mean
come on, yes they look similar, but they aren't twins.
And Billy was wearing a kilt! You would think that
would set him apart at least a little bit. And if I'm
not mistaken, during the acceptance speech Bernard
Hill said that Orlando Bloom, Viggo Mortensen and
DOMINIC MONAGHAN couldn't be there tonight.

Does this bother anyone else? or is it just me?

~Katie, who does feel a little better now that she's
vented her frustrations

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From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 20:53:07 2004
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:53:07 -0000
Subject: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!
In-Reply-To: <c04cks+cfn3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1gdjj+r9u1@eGroups.com>

> 
> The Contest: Come up with a name for HPF's upcoming Aberforth 
> Dumbledore page. So far, the suggestions include
> 
> The Discreet Charm of Aberforth Dumbledore   - CMC 
> Tin Can Alley  - CMC 
> Aegospotamoi  - Haggridd (where the Athenian sailors went down for 
> the count during the Peloponnesian War?  - I confess to a weakness 
> for classical references.)
> 

OK. Advance notice - these are ba-a-a-ad.

1 - Horny filks
2 - Going Down on the Farm

Constance Vigilance




From helenhorsley at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 24 20:35:09 2004
From: helenhorsley at hotmail.com (dorapye)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:35:09 -0000
Subject: Wolfsbane
Message-ID: <c1gcht+6oi0@eGroups.com>

Hi, I just wanted to recommend a superb fanfic on the SugarQuill 
site.  I don't normally indulge in fanfic, but I was curious to find 
out about how the Potterverse inspired writers and stumbled on 
sugarquill.net, I'm sure many of you know it. 

The story is by Pirate Perian and is entitled Wolfsbane. It was 
published on site on 02/15/04 and is about Sirius and Lupin living 
together at 12 GP.  It is beautifully written, imaginative and 
delightfully insightful and empathetic.  I just wanted to share this 
with you and hope that you take up this recommendation and enjoy the 
story.

That is all!
dorapye





From heidilist at tandys.org  Tue Feb 24 23:10:30 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:10:30 +0000
Subject: FF: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wolfsbane
In-Reply-To: <c1gcht+6oi0@eGroups.com>
References: <c1gcht+6oi0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1077664235.2FC746FF@r31.dngr.org>

Guys, we have a fanfic faq for hpfgu at 
http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/fanfiction.html, and I am (as the updater) 
always happy to have more fics to add to it, but it also has a large 
number of excellent stories from a variety of fanfic sites.

Heidi

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 5:10pm, dorapye wrote:
> Hi, I just wanted to recommend a superb fanfic on the SugarQuill
> site.  I don't normally indulge in fanfic, but I was curious to find
> out about how the Potterverse inspired writers and stumbled on
> sugarquill.net, I'm sure many of you know it.
>
> The story is by Pirate Perian and is entitled Wolfsbane. It was
> published on site on 02/15/04 and is about Sirius and Lupin living
> together at 12 GP.  It is beautifully written, imaginative and
> delightfully insightful and empathetic.  I just wanted to share this
> with you and hope that you take up this recommendation and enjoy the
> story.
>
> That is all!
> dorapye
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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> posts to which you're replying!
>
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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb 24 23:50:51 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:50:51 -0000
Subject: They canceled Angel.... Waaahhh!!
In-Reply-To: <1076849667.2BAC1BF4@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <c1go0r+6gn7@eGroups.com>

Heidi wrote:
> 
> Online petitions are nice; actually putting pen to paper,  or 
> using your printer, is better. At 
http://tobymalfoy.livejournal.com there's already 
> discussion of ways  to complain. Check it out!
> 



Following on from this - I know it's a different fandom from HP (and 
so really, really OT), but www.savingangel.org/ and 
www.renewangel.com/ are co-ordinating fan efforts to show viewer 
support for Angel being transferred to another network (apparently 
far more likely than a WB change of mind). 

So if you, too are someone who likes Harry Potter *and* Joss 
Whedon's weird universe, you might want to check out those websites.

Pip!Squeak




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Feb 25 00:06:13 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:06:13 -0000
Subject: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!
In-Reply-To: <c1gdjj+r9u1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1gotl+b3v5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance" 
<constancevigilance at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > The Contest: Come up with a name for HPF's upcoming Aberforth 
> > Dumbledore page. So far, the suggestions include
> > 
> > The Discreet Charm of Aberforth Dumbledore   - CMC 
> > Tin Can Alley  - CMC 
> > Aegospotamoi  - Haggridd (where the Athenian sailors went down 
> > for the count during the Peloponnesian War?  - I confess to a 
> > weakness for classical references.)
> > 
> 
> Constance Vigilance
> OK. Advance notice - these are ba-a-a-ad.
> 
> 1 - Horny filks
> 2 - Going Down on the Farm
> 

Pip!Squeak:

Go at that Goat

Then Her Mother Butted Me (inspired by the sort of folk song that 
somehow never appears in printed collections)

Goat's Milk Filks







From grannybat at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 25 21:35:03 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:35:03 -0000
Subject: HP Filks Contest: Name that Goat-Page!
In-Reply-To: <c1gotl+b3v5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1j4e7+fulv@eGroups.com>

> > > The Contest: Come up with a name for HPF's upcoming Aberforth 
> > > Dumbledore page. So far, the suggestions include
> > > 
> > > The Discreet Charm of Aberforth Dumbledore   - CMC 
> > > Tin Can Alley  - CMC 
> > > Aegospotamoi  - Haggridd (where the Athenian sailors went down 
> > > for the count during the Peloponnesian War?
> > > 
> > 
> > Constance Vigilance
> > OK. Advance notice - these are ba-a-a-ad.
> > 
> > 1 - Horny filks
> > 2 - Going Down on the Farm
> > 
> 
> Pip!Squeak:
> 
> Go at that Goat
> 
> Then Her Mother Butted Me (inspired by the sort of folk song that 
> somehow never appears in printed collections)
> 
> Goat's Milk Filks

Because the Filkmaster himself confesses to a weakness for classical 
references, I feel free to refer to Edward Albee, that classic 
playwright of modern American theater. To wit:

Who Is Sylvia?

Grannybat






From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 19:44:03 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:44:03 -0000
Subject: HPPS in Ancient Greek coming July 10th
In-Reply-To: <20040220132553.4994.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c1itu3+a5sj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra <ms_petra_pan at y...> 
wrote:
> News article at
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/2e97s
> 
> (aka http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=
> /nm/20040220/od_uk_nm/oukoe_arts_potter_greek_1)
> 
> Here are some of the translations of names:
> 
> Harry Potter --> Hareios Poter: "Warrior Cup"
> 
> Voldemort --> Folidomortos: "Scaly Death"
> 
> Hogwarts --> Huogoetou: "hog" + "wizard"
> 
> Quidditch --> Ikarosfairike: "Ikarus ball"
> referring (rather ominously!) to the mythological 
> Ikarus, who fell to his death after flying too 
> close to the sun.
> 
> I wonder if JKR had input on this translation...
> 
> Petra
> a
> n  :)
> 
> Speaking of 'dead' languages <eg> ...
> 
> * Argumentum ad Smith & Wessum:
> "I've got a gun!  Therefore I am right."
> 

Just in time for the Olympics!

Go, USA!  (And Go Greeks, as it is only polite to cheer for the home 
team).

Paula





From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 19:54:31 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:54:31 -0000
Subject: FF: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wolfsbane
In-Reply-To: <1077664235.2FC746FF@r31.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <c1iuhn+vr7n@eGroups.com>

Heidi wrote:

> Guys, we have a fanfic faq for hpfgu at 
> http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/fanfiction.html, and I am (as the 
updater) 
> always happy to have more fics to add to it, but it also has a 
large 
> number of excellent stories from a variety of fanfic sites.
> 
> Heidi

Thank you for the link!  I have a question, however.  Are the fics 
stories that came out before "Order of the Phoenix" and only reflect 
the first 4 books, or do they also have fics that are stories from 
after "Order of the Phoenix?"  I assume these fics exist, but I 
couldn't tell from the list of recommended fics whether they are new 
since "Order of the Phoenix."

Did that makes sense?

Paula





From pulpficlet at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 19:56:05 2004
From: pulpficlet at yahoo.com (pulpficlet)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:56:05 -0000
Subject: Things I don't like about the media
In-Reply-To: <20040223152115.65674.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c1iukl+lu3t@eGroups.com>

Katie wrote:

> Does this bother anyone else? or is it just me?
> 
> ~Katie, who does feel a little better now that she's
> vented her frustrations

It bothers me some too.  What bothers me most about the media is when 
they go up to a grieving family and stick a microphone in their 
face.  I feel bad that the family feels pressured to be exploited 
like that.

Paula





From heidilist at tandys.org  Wed Feb 25 23:31:31 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:31:31 +0000
Subject: FF: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wolfsbane
In-Reply-To: <c1iuhn+vr7n@eGroups.com>
References: <c1iuhn+vr7n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1077751893.66E1461@w37.dngr.org>

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 6:10pm, pulpficlet wrote:
> Thank you for the link!  I have a question, however.  Are the fics
> stories that came out before "Order of the Phoenix" and only reflect
> the first 4 books, or do they also have fics that are stories from
> after "Order of the Phoenix?"  I assume these fics exist, but I
> couldn't tell from the list of recommended fics whether they are new
> since "Order of the Phoenix."

It's almost entirely pre-ootp. I'd posted last fall asking for recs for 
post-ootp fics but I think only one or two people posted recs. If you 
want to look over other rec-sites, check out FictionAlley's Nifflers, 
which you can find via 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums, or 
www.livejournal.com/~quibbler_recs - they're good starting points.

Heidi




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 00:43:33 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:43:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Michelle! (Belated)
Message-ID: <20040226004333.57749.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>

*struggles to extricate herself from a pile of
decorations*

Oh, yes, I know this is late. My sincere apologies.
This one couldn't be helped. My computer suffered a
complete meltdown and I just got back online.

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Michelle. Belated
birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to: harry_potter_uk2002uk at yahoo.co.uk

I hope you day was magical and brought everything you
wished for.

Happy Birthday, Michelle!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 00:59:51 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:59:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Sally and Finwitch!
Message-ID: <20040226005951.93149.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

*putters about, tidying the room and making sure the
food is replenished at regular intervals*

That's right, you folks just keep partying. We have
two more birthdays to celebrate.

Today's birthday honourees are Sally and Finwitch.
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to: sallycinnamon78 at hotmail.com and
finwitch at yahoo.com

I hope your days bring everything you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Sally!
Happy Birthday, Finwitch!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From grannybat at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 26 22:21:54 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:21:54 -0000
Subject: The Chance for NEW CANON- cont.
In-Reply-To: <c00mse+rsca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1lri2+kv77@eGroups.com>

Here's my contribution to Erin's list of questions for JKR's online 
chat next month. I'm striving to ask something unusual that may catch 
her eye, phrased in such a way that she may actually answer:

*What's the difference between a wizard and a warlock?*

This sounds like the sort of question a bright ten-year-old might 
ask. On the surface it appears innocent and inconsequential to the 
plot, but JKR has mentioned warlocks so often (without feeding us any 
substantial information) in the text that I'm betting the answer is 
important. If not, at least an answer will give us a better glimpse 
of the wider Magical world.

*Why did Voldemort personally kill Dorcas Meadows?*

The sort of question a sharp teen might ask. An answer will likely 
shed some light on the backstory of the MWPP era, and may provide a 
subtle clue.

*Why in the world are Hags allowed anywhere near Hogwarts, let alone 
into the town pubs when the students have a Hogsmeade Weekend?*

The sort of question a concerned parent might ask. ;) Hags eat 
children, after all. A terrified or magically weak third-year could 
be gobbled right up if cornered in a dark alley.

Also, like vampires, hags are not listed in FB&WTFT as Beasts...with 
all the political/social baggage that omission implies. Like vampires 
and warlocks, hags are mentioned half a dozen times.

Grannybat
 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Feb 27 11:38:53 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:38:53 -0000
Subject: Netspeak question
Message-ID: <c1na8d+rlh2@eGroups.com>

Where does the -0r ending come from, e.g. instead of saying 'this 
sucks', you say 'sux0r' or 'suxx0r'?

It seems to go against the trend of what might charitably be called 
bandwidth-enforced brevity, e.g. 'u' for 'you', '4' for 'for', etc.

David




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Feb 27 12:25:01 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:25:01 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Netspeak question
In-Reply-To: <c1na8d+rlh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <403FD1CD.21833.D7D141@localhost>

On 27 Feb 2004 at 11:38, davewitley wrote:

> Where does the -0r ending come from, e.g. instead of saying 'this 
> sucks', you say 'sux0r' or 'suxx0r'?
> 
> It seems to go against the trend of what might charitably be called 
> bandwidth-enforced brevity, e.g. 'u' for 'you', '4' for 'for', etc.

The thing is - this type of writing - 1337, 133+, or whatever was 
not originally intended to shorten things.

It was actually intended as a code among hackers - being able to 
use the 'language' indicated you knew the scene - that you'd been 
around at least long enough to learn how to talk to talk, and 
therefore might be worthy of being paid attention to. Some also 
regarded it as a code designed to confuse police and similar - but 
really, it wasn't hard enough for that. So some were lengthened 
some were shortened.

As use of cyberspace in its variant forms spread, people started 
using abbreviations, some of those from the old 1337 5p34k wound up 
in more common use - but suxx0r and rox0r and similar still hang 
around despite being longer.

As for where it came from, I can hazard a guess - most hackers (and 
if there are any police reading I had no involvement, I swear, it 
was my friend, he fooled me into giving him access to the school 
system!), had a fairly good knowledge of Boolean logic which used 
terms like AND OR, XOR, etc. We commonly used to write - at least 
among my friends - the term XOR as xOr to emphasise the fact that 
OR was involved in it. If we were doing it, I assume everyone was. 
I can see that being tacked onto words where x appeared because of 
the principle x and Or go together. From there, it's a minor step 
to changing O to 0.

You know when you're a computer security specialist, you know 
what's really scary - it's picking up a book about computer crime 
at the time you were a child, and suddenly recognising your friends 
handles among the names of the people in the book. It gets even 
more terrifying when the handle of the friend you gave unauthorised 
access to the school's systems comes up as having hacked NASA. It 
gets absolutely horrifying when they are described as attending a 
private school in Melbourne, as you and your friend did...
















Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Feb 27 17:05:38 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:05:38 -0600
Subject: JKR makes the list!
Message-ID: <000201c3fd53$f00fb520$18667144@Einstein>


Iggy here:

An excerpt from Forbes financial magazine that you all might find
interesting. -

This year, Forbes reports a record 587 billionaires, including 64
newcomers hailing from 19 countries. Among them:


In a fairy tale as fantastic as her popular "Harry Potter" series,
former welfare mother J.K. Rowling makes her debut on the Forbes list at
552.




Way to go, Jo!!!

Iggy McSnurd







From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 27 20:36:36 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:36:36 -0000
Subject: For Speakers of the Scottish Tongue
Message-ID: <c1o9ok+f87o@eGroups.com>

What is the correct pronunciation of "Creothceann?"

Inside my head I'm hearing a phonetic read, and I just know that's 
wrong. I speak none of the Celtic/Gaelic/native languages of the 
region, so I have no idea what the sounds should be. 


The only word I know
is "haggis,"

Grannybat





From nrenka at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 03:53:57 2004
From: nrenka at yahoo.com (Nora Renka)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:53:57 -0000
Subject: Netspeak question
In-Reply-To: <c1na8d+rlh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c1p3cl+mq9u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Where does the -0r ending come from, e.g. instead of saying 'this 
> sucks', you say 'sux0r' or 'suxx0r'?
> 
> It seems to go against the trend of what might charitably be called 
> bandwidth-enforced brevity, e.g. 'u' for 'you', '4' for 'for', etc.
> 
> David

Well, also, back in the day when the Internet was largely comprised 
of BBSes and Usenet, there was a little subculture of 'r0dentz', 
somewhat akin to the phreaks who used to enjoy hacking the phone 
lines.  (The legendary 'Captain Crunch' is probably the best known).  
That type of obnoxious alphanumeric substitution was rampant amongst 
them, and has been taken up by the 1337 kiddies and warez fiends...I 
do suspect it has something to do with programming shorthand and 
commands like that...

-Nora (who has an odd fondness for all kinds of strange Internet 
culture...especially alt.fan.warlord)





From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 18:54:01 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:54:01 -0000
Subject: JKR makes ther list!
Message-ID: <c1qo49+f8tm@eGroups.com>

28Feb04

Iggy wrote:
"...In a fairy tale as fantastic as her popular "Harry Potter" series,
former welfare mother J.K. Rowling makes her debut on the Forbes list 
at 552."

Paula now:

Wow!  That's amazing news; uplifts the spirit to know that fortunes 
can still be made, in other words, I can keep hoping *grin*.

On to more everyday topics---I'm curious.  How many of you are 
planning to make it to the Convention in Ottawa this summer?  Are any 
of you planning to get booths in the Marketplace?  Have still never 
made it to an HP Con and am curious to know what to expect--what 
kinds of activities and what sort of things are sold in the 
Marketplace.

Look forward to hearing some voices of experience.

~Paula Gaon




From gromm at cards.lanck.net  Sat Feb 28 20:58:49 2004
From: gromm at cards.lanck.net (Maria Gromova)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:58:49 +0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] For Speakers of the Scottish Tongue
Message-ID: <00d501c3fe3d$b19b21e0$5242983e@rcomputer>


Grannybat wrote:


>What is the correct pronunciation of "Creothceann?"
>
>Inside my head I'm hearing a phonetic read, and I just know that's
>wrong. I speak none of the Celtic/Gaelic/native languages of the
>region, so I have no idea what the sounds should be.
>
Now Maria:
It should be pronounced something like "CROH-ken'. Maybe I am wrong, but I
learned Gaelic from books..
Maria