From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jan  1 00:01:46 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:01:46 -0000
Subject: To those still in 2003 ...
Message-ID: <bsvo1a+hbeq@eGroups.com>

Greetings from 2004.

A happy and healthy 2004 to all at HPfGU.

Pip




From neonsister at ameritech.net  Thu Jan  1 00:16:47 2004
From: neonsister at ameritech.net (neonsister at ameritech.net)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:16:47 -0000
Subject: Serpensortia!
Message-ID: <bsvotf+suu7@eGroups.com>

For everyone's New Year enjoyment, here is one massive snake!

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3845750&p1=0

Happy 2004 to all!

Tracy *born in the Chinese Year Of The Snake, coincidentally*






From siskiou at msn.com  Thu Jan  1 01:12:25 2004
From: siskiou at msn.com (Susanne)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:12:25 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] To those still in 2003 ...
In-Reply-To: <bsvo1a+hbeq@eGroups.com>
References: <bsvo1a+hbeq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1059328280.20031231171225@msn.com>



Hi,

Wednesday, December 31, 2003, 4:01:46 PM, pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Greetings from 2004.

> A happy and healthy 2004 to all at HPfGU.

Thanks!

We still have a few hours to go here in Oregon.
My parents in Germany are already there, and if I still
lived there, I'd already be officially a year older <g>.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at msn.com

Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/





From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan  1 01:24:59 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 01:24:59 -0000
Subject: To those still in 2003 ...
In-Reply-To: <bsvo1a+hbeq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bsvstb+o21p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> Greetings from 2004.
> 
> A happy and healthy 2004 to all at HPfGU.
> 
> Pip

Yes... Now about 1 1/2 hours into 2004.  It looks pretty good so 
far - come and join us!

June




From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 02:28:13 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:28:13 -0000
Subject: The Best Xmas Gift!
In-Reply-To: <000701c3cfec$bd4541d0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bt00jt+qp9m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" <
>
>Lot's of snippage
>
>

> (Yes... you can write to me directly if you really want to know how 
to
> do the cash cheat...)
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

Thanks so much Iggy!  Will think about it.
And, so glad you've decided to hang around HPFGU-OT for a 
little while longer!!

HAVE A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Anna . . .




From patnkatng at cox.net  Thu Jan  1 13:59:43 2004
From: patnkatng at cox.net (Katrina)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:59:43 -0000
Subject: Rhyming Slang (was -  Re: An interesting bit of trivia)
In-Reply-To: <000201c3cd82$3cc0d9a0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bt194f+7ldd@eGroups.com>

> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> Interesting... I had always heard that a "knacker" was a kind of
> butcher, and so if something is "knackered," it's been cut up for 
its
> meat.
> 

Katrina (late to the discussion):

I always thought that a Knacker was one of those elfin folk who 
inhabited Cornish tin mines. (aka Knockers, or Tommyknockers).







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jan  1 14:47:31 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:47:31 -0600
Subject: Another great TWS
Message-ID: <000201c3d076$32664f70$4e60bf44@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Here's another great TWS (Time Wasting Site) for everyone.  *grin*

http://zone.msn.com/en/root/freeonline.htm

It's got a lot of great on-line games, some of which you can download if
you want.  (Things like Bejeweled, Alchemy, Reversi, and TextTwist.)

Iggy McSnurd







From gbannister10 at aol.com  Thu Jan  1 21:07:00 2004
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 21:07:00 -0000
Subject: Rhyming Slang (was -  Re: An interesting bit of trivia)
In-Reply-To: <bt194f+7ldd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt225k+5mgj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Katrina" <patnkatng at c...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Iggy here:
> > 
> > Interesting... I had always heard that a "knacker" was a kind of
> > butcher, and so if something is "knackered," it's been cut up for 
> its
> > meat.
> > 
> 
> Katrina (late to the discussion):
> 
> I always thought that a Knacker was one of those elfin folk who 
> inhabited Cornish tin mines. (aka Knockers, or Tommyknockers).

Geoff: 
(also arriving late at the discussion):
I don't look at OT as often as I would like to because keeping up 
with FGU is hard enough work. But a few thoughts....

A knacker, traditionally is a person involved in the disposal of dead 
animals. It tends to have become specific to horses and the 
phrase "fit only for the knacker's yard" means that something has 
reached the end of its use. "Knackered" is also used as a term for 
being exhausted, flat out after doing some sort of very demanding 
mental or physical activity.

Re Rhyming slang. I'm not a Cockney but lived in a Cockney area for 
45 years so I've heard it used a lot. There has been some discussion 
about it on the main group - I just did a bit of digging on the 
archive search and there are a number of HPFGU posts from about 80201 
through to 80478 on the subject if you've got time to follow them up. 
Thinking of ones which come to mind (some of these are repeats from 
the main group and may also be that here. I'll have to see if any 
more come to mind.

A side thought - rhyming slang is sometimes disguised because the 
final element of a rhyme is suppressed. The bit in brackets in my 
examples is the section often suppressed.

Use your loaf (of bread) = use your head (i.e. brain)

Butcher's (hook) = look

Box of toys = noise

Trouble & strife = wife

Barnet (Fair) = hair  [Barnet is a town on the north edge of London]

Apples & pears = stairs

A cup of Rosie (Lee) = a cup of tea

**

Some of these are still used quite regularly by non-Cockneys and even 
by well qualified people who may not even recognise that their source.

An interesting one is "berk" which is now used as a mildly critical 
term for someone. This has changed its meaning and its pronunciation 
quite interestingly. if you want all the ins and outs, start reading 
main group from 80201 - it's really quite revealing....

Geoff




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Jan  1 22:20:10 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:20:10 -0000
Subject: Rhyming Slang (was -  Re: An interesting bit of trivia)
In-Reply-To: <bt225k+5mgj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt26eq+ls24@eGroups.com>

Geoff: 
> A knacker, traditionally is a person involved in the disposal of 
dead 
> animals. It tends to have become specific to horses and the 
> phrase "fit only for the knacker's yard" means that something has 
> reached the end of its use. "Knackered" is also used as a term for 
> being exhausted, flat out after doing some sort of very demanding 
> mental or physical activity.
> 
> Re Rhyming slang. I'm not a Cockney but lived in a Cockney area for 
> 45 years so I've heard it used a lot. 

Joining those two subjects together gives you the phrase, "I'm cream 
crackered"....

Which I suppose will also need explanation <g>.
A cream cracker is a plain biscuit (British usage) usually eaten with 
cheese. Despite their name, they are renowned for their dryness: it's 
supposed to be impossible to eat more than three or four of them 
without a drink.

~Eloise
Wishing everyone a Very Happy New Year




From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 23:08:05 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 23:08:05 -0000
Subject: Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
Message-ID: <bt298l+k9ru@eGroups.com>

Iggy,

Ok, so you can say 'I told you so.'

I am sad to report two fatalities in my Sims HP family.

I did purchase a bookcase for my dear Sims to learn about cooking and 
mechanics and the like as you suggested, but alas, my poor dear 
GinnySim started a fire while making breakfast before anyone had a 
chance to read.

Harry, the hero that he is, came quickly over to extinguish the 
blaze, but they both got engulfed in the flames rather quickly, and 
before I knew it, the grim reaper appeared (looking an awful lot like 
a cross between the dementors and you-know-who). Draco, had already 
left for work, and unfortanatley, Hermione and Ron were left to 
battle the blaze on their own.  Poor Hermione; she cannot step into 
that section of the kitchen without bawling.  Ron doesn't seem to be 
too upset, but has had one breakdown.  Draco came home totally 
oblivious to the fact that two of his roomies had now turned into 
urns. Honestly!

Oh, and that nite, while they slept, a burgler came in and stole 
their computer.

And that concludes another episode of "How Days of Our HPSims Turn" 

Anna . . .(did I tell you how much fun that is?  And no, I'm not a 
sadist!) 




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Jan  2 00:16:58 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:16:58 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
References: <bt298l+k9ru@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007501c3d0c5$bdfb3ec0$2e37d7aa@net>

Anna wrote:

<I did purchase a bookcase for my dear Sims to learn about cooking and
mechanics and the like as you suggested, but alas, my poor dear
GinnySim started a fire while making breakfast before anyone had a
chance to read.>

See, this is why I keep Free Will off...so my sims don't kill themselves
unless I wish to murder them (which I do often for un needed sims...or just
to be evil)

Although if you want to keep Herm from sobbing and not doing anything, you
might want to move the urn before it gets too troublesome.  Just something I
learned when my sim wouldn't stop sobbing over her live in love (whom I
purposely locked in a doorless room and starved to death...yes, I'm that
evil)

Saitaina




From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 00:55:05 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 00:55:05 -0000
Subject: Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <007501c3d0c5$bdfb3ec0$2e37d7aa@net>
Message-ID: <bt2fh9+3al0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> 
wrote:

> Anna wrote:
> 
, but alas, my poor dear
> GinnySim started a fire while making breakfast before anyone had a
> chance to read.>
> 
>Saitaina says:
> See, this is why I keep Free Will off...so my sims don't kill 
themselves
> unless I wish to murder them (which I do often for un needed 
sims...or just
> to be evil)


Oh, Saitaina,

Thanks for the suggestion. Sounds like a good plan.  

As I said before, It probably would have helped if I had read the 
directions.  But hey, RL doesn't come with directions so why not just 
jump in with two feet, even if they aren't real feet?


>Saitaina says: 
> Although if you want to keep Herm from sobbing and not doing 
anything, you
> might want to move the urn before it gets too troublesome.  Just 
something I
> learned when my sim wouldn't stop sobbing over her live in love 
(whom I
> purposely locked in a doorless room and starved to death...yes, I'm 
that
> evil)

Well, I did move the urns.  They were in the way of food prep.
And live in love, you say?  Hmm, that was actually my goal, as Ginny 
and Draco did have some high relationship points going for them.
Now I must decide whom to pair up Hermione with, Draco, Ron, or one 
of the neighbors.
Huh, decisions, decisions . . .

Anna . . .


> 






From strom5150 at charter.net  Fri Jan  2 01:14:01 2004
From: strom5150 at charter.net (strom5150)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 01:14:01 -0000
Subject: Serpensortia!
In-Reply-To: <bsvotf+suu7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt2gkp+perq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, neonsister at a... wrote:
> For everyone's New Year enjoyment, here is one massive snake!
> 
> http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3845750&p1=0
> 
> Happy 2004 to all!
> 
> Tracy *born in the Chinese Year Of The Snake, coincidentally*


Very cool! And here is another:

http://www.anapsid.org/louisbaby.html

(And someone actually keeps this one as a pet!)

Danielle
(Who loves all snakes but thinks her boa constrictor is quite big 
enough, thank you!)




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan  2 01:35:01 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:35:01 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <bt298l+k9ru@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3d0d0$a6fb5510$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> Anna:
> 
> Iggy,
> 
> Ok, so you can say 'I told you so.'
> 
> I am sad to report two fatalities in my Sims HP family.
> 

Iggy here:

I never tell people "I told you so."  (A quiet look and an arching of
the eyebrow is so much more effective.  *grin*)

My wife, by the way, had two fatalities in her family as well.  In
"Makin' Magic," you have the ability to buy a Dragon's Nest and raise a
dragon as a pet... (Ahhh... but if one could only make a half giant like
Hagrid in the game... Or if we could somehow send him a magical computer
that will run the game on the Hogwarts grounds... *chuckle*)

Well, for some reason, her dragon hatched before she had time to take
proper care of it, and it got angry... setting fire to the garden.  The
sim wife ran out to extinguish the fire, and was eventually consumed by
the expanding conflagration.  The husband, who groggily woke up to his
wife's dying shrieks, tried to rush to her aid... to be devoured by the
hungry flames himself while the small dragon watched.  

Her two parents dead, the couple's small daughter was left an orphan...
who, oddly enough, began to tickle and play with the offending wyrm,
treating it with much tenderness and care.  (This reporter wonders if
the child somehow persuaded the baby dragon to eliminate her parents, as
she stood to inherit a house, a large piece of land, and over 4 million
simoleans.)


Fortunately, my wife reversed the whole event by simply using the
"return to the neighborhood" option without saving the game on leaving.
*grin*  We like to think of it as an abstract manifestation of Deus Ex
Machina... although some may just call it cheating.  


Iggy McSnurd

(ps:  it's -  <ctrl> <shift> C  , then type:   rosebud;!;!;!;!;!;!;!
But don't tell anyone I told you...)







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan  2 01:39:12 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:39:12 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <007501c3d0c5$bdfb3ec0$2e37d7aa@net>
Message-ID: <000301c3d0d1$3c6dd8c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> Anna wrote:
> 
> <I did purchase a bookcase for my dear Sims to learn about cooking and
> mechanics and the like as you suggested, but alas, my poor dear
> GinnySim started a fire while making breakfast before anyone had a
> chance to read.>

> Saitania:
>
> See, this is why I keep Free Will off...so my sims don't kill
themselves
> unless I wish to murder them (which I do often for un needed sims...or
> just
> to be evil)
> 
> Although if you want to keep Herm from sobbing and not doing anything,
you
> might want to move the urn before it gets too troublesome.  Just
something
> I
> learned when my sim wouldn't stop sobbing over her live in love (whom
I
> purposely locked in a doorless room and starved to death...yes, I'm
that
> evil)
> 

Iggy here:

There's a simple solution for keeping someone from weeping over a lost
love...  Go into "buy mode", and sell the urn for a quick sawbuck.

Personally, I've never intentionally killed a Sim... and I keep their
free will to a simple level.  The first thing I do, however, is have
them learn decent levels in cooking.  

Only once have I ever had a sim get torched... and that's when the wife
tried to use the BBQ grill without knowing how.  (Just another reason to
let the men handle the grilling.  *snicker*)


Iggy McSnurd







From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Jan  2 01:37:24 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:37:24 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
References: <000301c3d0d1$3c6dd8c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <009201c3d0d0$fd8f2e60$2e37d7aa@net>

Iggy wrote:

<Personally, I've never intentionally killed a Sim... and I keep their
free will to a simple level.  The first thing I do, however, is have
them learn decent levels in cooking.  >

Never knew there were levels of free will...I just have a clicky button.
Perhaps this is because I only have up to Hot Date and can only run two
versions of the sims on my computer at the same time... (or else my crappy
gateway freezes).

Saitaina




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan  2 03:29:55 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:29:55 -0600
Subject: More Sims Stuff... with a Harry Potter twist...
Message-ID: <000401c3d0e0$b45c5eb0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

Iggy here:

For those who are Jason Isaacs fans, the following link has a picture
pack of him you can download for your Sims game:

http://www.thesimszone.co.uk/files/single.php?ID=204


Here are a few sites with HP stuff designed for adding to the Sims
games:

www.thehiddentower.net	(lots of good downloads, including Ron's room.
It's a good all around HP site as well... including Fan Fics and other
stuff.)

http://www.cheapfrills.org/objects_03.html	(they have a flying
broom you can download)

and -

http://www.worldofmagic.org/sims.php	(They have a lot of links for
you to get downloads for helping in building your own Harry Potter
world.)



Iggy McSnurd





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 09:49:08 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:49:08 -0000
Subject: Speculative Geography - Murmansk & Durmstrang
Message-ID: <bt3eqk+hs22@eGroups.com>

I posted this in the main group, but I'm having second thoughts about
whether I should have done that. It doesn't deal that much with the
book, so perhaps, it would have been best to post it here. So, here it
goes...


Well, I couldn't contain myself any longer, I got out my CD-ROM
Satellite Photo Maps so we could all see what the geograpic area of
Kola/Murmansk Peninsula of Russia looked like.

The first map shows Scotland, Scandinavia, Bulgaria, Kola Penisula,
and other parts of Europe. The remaining maps are close ups of the
Western Kola Peninsula, showing roads, trails, rail, towns, and villages.

Note how far south Bulgaria is compared to Scotland and Scandinavia.
The descriptions of Durmstrang indicates cold climate and short
daylight hours, that implies far north. So even though Viktor is from
Bulgaria, it's unlikely that Durmstrang school is there.

The highest elevation is about 3400 feet; not a tall mountian, but as
tall as any of the mountains in Britian. The original CD-Rom map is
interactive, so it shows elevations as you move the mouse pointer
around the map. At one location near Apathy, it indicated an elevation
of 18,000 feet, but I think that was an error.

This area has very few roads, rail, or towns. As you can see from the
maps, there are many lakes and easy access to the sea from inland as
well as a lot of wild country side.

Speculative Location of Durmstrang-
http://bluemoonmarket.homestead.com/Files/murmansk/pg1.htm

Also-

Speculative Locations of Hogwarts-
http://bluemoonmarket.homestead.com/Files/Hogwarts/hogwarts1.htm

Speculative Location of Romanian Dragon Center-
http://bluemoonmarket.homestead.com/Files/Hogwarts/Romania1.htm

I've posted links to my other two map sites, so you can compare road,
rail, and population density.

The main reason why I insist that the school is in Russia, is that
Drumstrang is a European school, and I have trouble seeing true
Scandinavia as Europe or the location of a European school. My own
opinion, which I'm sure you are tired of hearing by now, is that
Scandinavia has it's own tradition of magic separate from Europe and
therefore has it's own schools of magic.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn









From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jan  2 12:33:57 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:33:57 -0000
Subject: Speculative Geography - Murmansk & Durmstrang
In-Reply-To: <bt3eqk+hs22@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt3ofl+5r2e@eGroups.com>

Happy New Year, everybody!

Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> Well, I couldn't contain myself any longer, I got out my CD-ROM
> Satellite Photo Maps so we could all see what the geograpic area of
> Kola/Murmansk Peninsula of Russia looked like.

> This area has very few roads, rail, or towns. As you can see from 
the
> maps, there are many lakes and easy access to the sea from inland 
as
> well as a lot of wild country side.

I'm not sure what the Kola Peninsula is like now, but in the days of 
the Soviet Union, Murmansk was the country's leading submarine base 
and naval port, and the area one of the most militarised in the 
world.   Despite being one of the most northerly Soviet ports, it is 
the only one to be ice-free all year (even Odessa and, I'm pretty 
sure, Sevastopol, ice up for a couple of months), and that, combined 
with ready Atlantic access, gave it its strategic significance.  It 
probably still has towns and railways not shown on the map.

That would, of course, make access for most muggles pretty 
difficult, which might be an advantage.

> The main reason why I insist that the school is in Russia, is that
> Drumstrang is a European school, and I have trouble seeing true
> Scandinavia as Europe or the location of a European school. My own
> opinion, which I'm sure you are tired of hearing by now, is that
> Scandinavia has it's own tradition of magic separate from Europe 
and
> therefore has it's own schools of magic.

I agree about the location; however, Scandinavia is definitely part 
of Europe.

David




From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 13:53:43 2004
From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Cristina_Rebelo_=C2ngelo?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:53:43 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <bt298l+k9ru@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA0V0yEVLY906TVPQaP+YzycKAAAAQAAAAAsNJ0lpI5EWD9pUwjWpVjwEAAAAA@yahoo.com>

 Anna: 
I am sad to report two fatalities in my Sims HP family.

I did purchase a bookcase for my dear Sims to learn about cooking and 
mechanics and the like as you suggested, but alas, my poor dear 
GinnySim started a fire while making breakfast before anyone had a 
chance to read.

 (...) 
Oh, and that nite, while they slept, a burgler came in and stole 
their computer.

And that concludes another episode of "How Days of Our HPSims Turn" 

Anna . . .(did I tell you how much fun that is?  And no, I'm not a 
sadist!) 


 Cristina:
Oh! But one of the first buys must be the burglar alarm. That calls the
police straight away, and they give you money for capturing a wanted
criminal :)
 
Also, I've found the best way to not die while cooking is, simply, you don't
buy a stove for a while. Let them cook with the microwave. And have them
study cooking. Then, a couple points later, you get them the stove AND a
fire alarm (you put this one right above the stove, or any thing fire -
sorry, forgot the name for the living room fire, only thing I can remember
is "mantelpiece"... ) - in case the worst happens (and it shouldn't, now you
know how to cook...) the firemen will be there in no time.
 
But, indeed, the best solution is indeed... like someone else said, don't
save the game! Go to the neighborhood, and then back, and they'll be just
fine (I've found that actually backing up the User Data folder from time to
time - I do it every other week - is quite useful... But I'm a back up
nut...)
 
I had a Harry Potter skin (I have up to Hot Date), that I got from somewhere
on the Internet, but my SimsCop kept telling me it was corrupted, and I
never really managed to realize what the problem was... 
 
Cristina (who also is not a sadist, but has recently deleted all her over 30
families and houses, not even giving them the constitutional right to a urn
and loved-ones-tears, simply because she felt... like starting over...)

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 13:59:30 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:59:30 -0000
Subject: More Sims Stuff... with a Harry Potter twist...
In-Reply-To: <000401c3d0e0$b45c5eb0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bt3tg2+hikt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> For those who are Jason Isaacs fans, the following link has a 
picture pack of him you can download for your Sims game:
> 
> http://www.thesimszone.co.uk/files/single.php?ID=204
> 
> 
> Here are a few sites with HP stuff designed for adding to the Sims
> games:
> 
> www.thehiddentower.net   (lots of good downloads, including Ron's 
room. It's a good all around HP site as well... including Fan Fics 
and other stuff.)
> 
> http://www.cheapfrills.org/objects_03.html	(they have a flying
> broom you can download)
> 
> and -
> 
> http://www.worldofmagic.org/sims.php	(They have a lot of links for
> you to get downloads for helping in building your own Harry Potter
> world.)
> 
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

*****\(@@)/*****

Thanks Iggy! What would we do without you! I LOVE my Sims - one of 
the best games out there! Thanks for the extras. I haven't got the 
last expansion pack yet but it sure is making me want to. 

I got the Quiddich World Cup and a nice controller but haven't 
loaded it yet. I am working on Uru and have a Puzz 3D Bavarian 
Castle going (silver level) and just spent yesterday playing around 
with Ghost Master (LOTS of fun). Pretty good for an old broad *grins*

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 14:12:33 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:12:33 -0000
Subject: Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Cristina Rebelo ?ngelo 
<cristina_angelo at y...> wrote:
>  Anna: 
> I am sad to report two fatalities in my Sims HP family.
> 
> I did purchase a bookcase for my dear Sims to learn about cooking 
and mechanics and the like as you suggested, but alas, my poor dear 
> GinnySim started a fire while making breakfast before anyone had a 
> chance to read.
> 
>  (...) 
> Oh, and that nite, while they slept, a burgler came in and stole 
> their computer.
> 
> And that concludes another episode of "How Days of Our HPSims 
Turn" 
> 
> Anna . . .(did I tell you how much fun that is?  And no, I'm not a 
> sadist!) 
> 
> 
>  Cristina:
> Oh! But one of the first buys must be the burglar alarm. That 
calls the police straight away, and they give you money for 
capturing a wanted criminal :)
>  
> Also, I've found the best way to not die while cooking is, simply, 
you don't buy a stove for a while. Let them cook with the microwave. 
And have them study cooking. Then, a couple points later, you get 
them the stove AND a fire alarm (you put this one right above the 
stove, or any thing fire - sorry, forgot the name for the living 
room fire, only thing I can remember is "mantelpiece"... ) - in case 
the worst happens (and it shouldn't, now you know how to cook...) 
the firemen will be there in no time.
>  
> But, indeed, the best solution is indeed... like someone else 
said, don't save the game! Go to the neighborhood, and then back, 
and they'll be just fine (I've found that actually backing up the 
User Data folder from time to time - I do it every other week - is 
quite useful... But I'm a back up nut...)

> Snip<
 
> Cristina (who also is not a sadist, but has recently deleted all 
her over 30 families and houses, not even giving them the 
constitutional right to a urn and loved-ones-tears, simply because 
she felt... like starting over...)
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

*****\(@@)/*****

I have also put in a wall at the edge of my property and put the 
burgler alarm on it and the police come and get him before he gets 
to the house. I also put a table by the mail box to save time 
getting the mail and the paper. My sims can do it as soon as they 
get home from work without having to do a lot of walking.

Definitely get the bookcase and build their skills. They stay 
happier and healthier that way and you have a lot less problems. I 
have played the game straight and with cheats and it is fun both 
ways. (It's great starting out with mega millions of Simoleons!!!!)

Try this for some walkthrough information and cheat codes.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/sims/hints.html

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan  2 15:50:22 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:50:22 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
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Message-ID: <000001c3d148$24c81a10$4e60bf44@Einstein>


Iggy here:

An important skill note for all, and this is a major one, your Sim's
moods effects how well you perform a task.  If your Sim's mood is pretty
far down in the red, they'll either fail at most things, or be "too
depressed to play."  (In Makin' Magic, you need beeswax and honey as
ingredients for some things, so you have the option of buying a beehive.
Whenever my Sim's mood was in the red, he'd forget to put on his
beekeeping suit, and get attacked by the bees.  The room rating by
itself can effect how you do on skills as well.)

So, if your Sim tries to cook while a lot of their meters are low, it's
saver to make them have a snack (a bag of chips... that's crisps to you
Brits out there...), or a quick meal (a TV dinner in the microwave).
While you won't be likely to get torched if your skill level is high,
not only is there still a chance, but it will effect how much what you
cook satisfies your hunger in either case.

Iggy McSnurd







From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 18:32:45 2004
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:32:45 -0000
Subject: Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <000001c3d148$24c81a10$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bt4dgd+bvg7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd"
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> An important skill note for all, and this is a major one, your Sim's
> moods effects how well you perform a task.  If your Sim's mood is pretty
> far down in the red, they'll either fail at most things, or be "too
> depressed to play."  (In Makin' Magic, you need beeswax and honey as
> ingredients for some things, so you have the option of buying a beehive.
> Whenever my Sim's mood was in the red, he'd forget to put on his
> beekeeping suit, and get attacked by the bees.  The room rating by
> itself can effect how you do on skills as well.)

I don't know - whenever I start a game, I find it helpful to sit the
guy/girl down right off and whiz through 2 cooking points right away.
 Before his/her levels get too bad.

I, however, have NEVER had a sim sucessfully light a fire in the
fireplace without starting a huge blaze.  And I've been playing for at
least a couple of years now.  You would think that a sim that has all
his skill points (and I mean ALL) would be smart and handy enough to
start a fire (and keep it) in the fireplace, wouldn't you?  Oooooh,
no.  And I've made the mistake a couple of times to make my fireplace
in a room that doesn't have a smoke detector - I always put one in the
kitchen, but if I've decided to "romanticize" the bedroom or
something, and I have someone start a nice little cuddly fire, it ends
up in disaster.  Hardly romantic.

-Jen, who has Hot Date and Unleashed, but not Vacation or MM - but who
is REALLY anxious for the Sims 2 to come out this spring...





From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 18:55:31 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:55:31 -0000
Subject: Another great TWS
In-Reply-To: <000201c3d076$32664f70$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bt4er3+k1j4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd"
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> Here's another great TWS (Time Wasting Site) for everyone.  *grin*
> 
> http://zone.msn.com/en/root/freeonline.htm
> 
> It's got a lot of great on-line games, some of which you can download if
> you want.  (Things like Bejeweled, Alchemy, Reversi, and TextTwist.)
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

Alice:

Oh, no!

I live in a special college in Budapest (College of Social Theory),
and recently everybody has started playing these MSN Zone games. They
are totally addictive. (The other favourite is a Hungarian general
knowledge game called "Honfoglalo", in which you get to occupy Hungary
county by county if you answer questions right, with two rivals doing
the same - live online). 

Anyway, I finally decided that spending days and days playing these
games and watching Fawlty Towers, Monty Python, You rang, Mylord?,
Life of Brian, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and other works of
genius on my good friend Peps's computer in room 501, is a VERY BAD
IDEA considering I have 6 exams in the next three weeks. 

So, I packed some stuff together and turned up at home (also Budapest,
hehe), began studying, completely forgot about MSN Zone, almost forgot
about Monty Python, and totally failed at forgetting about Peps. 

And then I come down in the evening, quickly checked some e-mails,
and... Jesus, I have to get back! I have to get back! I have to read
half a book by John Stuart Mill tonight! And what about Marx?! Uh-oh. 

Control yourself, Alice.

Sorry about the rant.

Love, Alice




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:22:23 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:22:23 -0000
Subject: Is Tickling Not On?
Message-ID: <bt4nef+60qt@eGroups.com>

Touching on canon, but really more of a cultural question.

One of the most touching scenes in the series for me was the moment 
when Harry's in the infirmary, ready to crack after the stress of the 
graveyard incident and all that follows--and Molly Weasley gathers 
him into her arms and allows him a moment of physical protection and 
reassurance. Both Harry and the reader come to realize the poor kid 
has never experienced a single gesture of affection in all his years 
since losing his parents. Not a hug, not a kiss, nothing. 

(Hagrid's bone-crushing hugs and hearty claps on the back don't 
really count; Harry always ends up bruised afterwards.)

This got me thinking...Harry's never been tickled.

I started imagining a scene where the Weaseley twins pounced on Harry 
and held him down so Ron, Hermione, and maybe even his quidditch 
teammates could have at his toes and bellybutton until he's red in 
the face and breathless--but I stopped. Is tickling a teenaged friend 
the sort of thing that's generally allowed in British culture?

Tickling isn't unknown to Magical society; Harry brings down Malfoy 
in the dueling club with a tickling hex (jinx? I don't have the books 
at hand). But is the "hands-on" method something that Simply Is Not 
Done in ordinary life once a child is older than, say, the age of 
five, and then only by the immediate family? Even a clueless Yank 
like myself has noticed the typical British reserve when it comes to 
public displays of affection.

Harry's never been tickled...for some reason, I just find that 
thought ineffably sad.

Grannybat




From boggles at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  2 22:07:00 2004
From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:07:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Is Tickling Not On?
In-Reply-To: <bt4nef+60qt@eGroups.com>
References: <bt4nef+60qt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <p05210600bc1b9b5be4b7@[192.168.1.100]>

At 9:22 PM +0000 1/2/04, grannybat84112 wrote:
>
>This got me thinking...Harry's never been tickled.

Do you really think so?  To me, Dudley seems like the sort of bully 
who'd take great delight in tickling someone until they were 
screaming, simply because he could pass it off as "aw, I wuz only 
tickling him - he wasn't hurting or anything."

Then again, tickling for me is either pure sadistic torture or a sort 
of S&Mish foreplay, *never* just good clean fun - I might be a bit 
biased here.

-- 

  - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon			boggles(at)earthlink.net
"It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the 
act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. "
	- Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808.



From gbannister10 at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 22:07:35 2004
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:07:35 -0000
Subject: Rhyming Slang (was -  Re: An interesting bit of trivia)
In-Reply-To: <bt26eq+ls24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt4q37+h053@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eloise_herisson" 
<eloiseherisson at a...> wrote:
> 

Eloise:
> Joining those two subjects together gives you the phrase, "I'm 
cream 
> crackered"....
> 
> Which I suppose will also need explanation <g>.
> A cream cracker is a plain biscuit (British usage) usually eaten 
with 
> cheese. Despite their name, they are renowned for their dryness: 
it's 
> supposed to be impossible to eat more than three or four of them 
> without a drink.

Geoff:
Actually, they're rather nice with a scraping of margarine on and 
some sort of topping - cheese, thin ham etc. Quite often the final 
touch to a meal, with the coffee.

A fairly standard game at a party is to get a volunteer to eat a 
couple of cream crackers and then try to whistle a tune - say a 
Christmas carol or something similar.




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:36:10 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:36:10 -0000
Subject: Is Tickling Not On?
In-Reply-To: <p05210600bc1b9b5be4b7@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <bt4v9a+lch5@eGroups.com>

Boggles balked:
> >
> >This got me thinking...Harry's never been tickled.
> 
> Do you really think so?  To me, Dudley seems like the sort of bully 
> who'd take great delight in tickling someone until they were 
> screaming, simply because he could pass it off as "aw, I wuz only 
> tickling him - he wasn't hurting or anything."
> 
> Then again, tickling for me is either pure sadistic torture or a  
> sort of S&Mish foreplay, *never* just good clean fun - 

Uh, staying away from speculation on your private life...I was 
thinking of tickling purely as a rush of endorphin-producing fun that 
the ticklers stop just as soon as (preferably before) the ticklee 
indicates that the action has turned scary. Physicality that turns 
into assault is not an expression of honest affection.

I specifically excluded Hagrid's physical affections because, well 
meaning though he may be, the big lug always ends up hurting whomever 
he hugs. Dudley I never even considered; his father outright 
encourages him to hit Harry, so he doesn't have to disguise any 
attack as tickling. Well, maybe when they were on the playground in 
Muggle school together and a teacher came over....

Grannybat
who misses
chilhood innocence





From erinellii at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 05:32:30 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (erinellii)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 05:32:30 -0000
Subject: Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <000301c3d0d1$3c6dd8c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bt5k5e+h6av@eGroups.com>

 "Iggy McSnurd"   
> 
> Only once have I ever had a sim get torched... and that's when the 
wife
> tried to use the BBQ grill without knowing how.  (Just another 
reason to
> let the men handle the grilling.  *snicker*)


Erin:

Actually, Iggy, the sim BBQ grill catches on fire not because of 
cooking skill points, but because of other objects placed too close 
to it.  It can be something you've put next to the grill 
intentionally or something like a pile of trash. I even had a puddle 
of- er- "water" catch fire once, go figure.

Erin




From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 05:33:03 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 05:33:03 -0000
Subject: Sims!  Revisited
Message-ID: <bt5k6f+6n9g@eGroups.com>

Wow! Cristina, and dudemom and JenP and of course, Iggy (and anyone 
else I've left out!)

Thanks everyone for all your suggestions for making my Sims actually 
do-able, without having to bulldoze the house everytime I get an 
outcome I don't like! (well, I've only bulldozed once, but am 
considering it again; we'll see)

I will take your suggestions and try to apply them, and let you know 
the outcome. 

!!!Whee! this is so much fun!!!

Anna . . .




From editor at texas.net  Sat Jan  3 07:19:28 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 01:19:28 -0600
Subject: TROY!!
Message-ID: <000e01c3d1c9$ee0a7400$2458aacf@texas.net>

I saw a "coming soon" movie poster on the way out of Return of the King--for
Troy.

ooooooooo.

Some of the names were Orlando Bloom, Sean Bean, Peter O'Toole..!!

I am about to go see if there's a website up, but off the top of my head, I
bet Orlando Bloom is Paris, Sean Bean is either Hector or Achilles, and
Peter O'Toole *must* be Priam.

Can. Not. Wait.

~Amanda
---------------------------
Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft.




From boggles at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  3 08:25:55 2004
From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 02:25:55 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] TROY!!
In-Reply-To: <000e01c3d1c9$ee0a7400$2458aacf@texas.net>
References: <000e01c3d1c9$ee0a7400$2458aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <p05210600bc1c2c7be868@[192.168.1.100]>

At 1:19 AM -0600 1/3/04, Amanda Geist wrote:
>
>I am about to go see if there's a website up, but off the top of my head, I
>bet Orlando Bloom is Paris, Sean Bean is either Hector or Achilles, and
>Peter O'Toole *must* be Priam.

Ooo indeed!

I beleive you're correct about Bloom and O'Toole.  Bean is Odysseus. 
Brad Pitt is Achilles.  (I've blanked on Hector, although we could 
IMDB for it easily enough.)

It'll be interesting to see if Orlando gets better lines this time . 
. . after seeing him in the three LoTR movies and _Pirates of the 
Caribbean_, I *still* don't know whether I think he can act or not.

-- 

  - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon			boggles(at)earthlink.net
"It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the 
act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. "
	- Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808.



From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan  3 13:57:19 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:57:19 -0000
Subject: Is Tickling Not On?
In-Reply-To: <bt4nef+60qt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt6hnv+8tnp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grannybat84112" 
<grannybat at h...> wrote:
> Touching on canon, but really more of a cultural question.
> 
> One of the most touching scenes in the series for me was the 
moment 
> when Harry's in the infirmary, ready to crack after the stress of 
the 
> graveyard incident and all that follows--and Molly Weasley gathers 
> him into her arms and allows him a moment of physical protection 
and 
> reassurance. Both Harry and the reader come to realize the poor 
kid 
> has never experienced a single gesture of affection in all his 
years 
> since losing his parents. Not a hug, not a kiss, nothing. 
> 
> (Hagrid's bone-crushing hugs and hearty claps on the back don't 
> really count; Harry always ends up bruised afterwards.)
> 
> This got me thinking...Harry's never been tickled.
> 
> I started imagining a scene where the Weaseley twins pounced on 
Harry 
> and held him down so Ron, Hermione, and maybe even his quidditch 
> teammates could have at his toes and bellybutton until he's red in 
> the face and breathless--but I stopped. Is tickling a teenaged 
friend 
> the sort of thing that's generally allowed in British culture?
> 
> Tickling isn't unknown to Magical society; Harry brings down 
Malfoy 
> in the dueling club with a tickling hex (jinx? I don't have the 
books 
> at hand). But is the "hands-on" method something that Simply Is 
Not 
> Done in ordinary life once a child is older than, say, the age of 
> five, and then only by the immediate family? Even a clueless Yank 
> like myself has noticed the typical British reserve when it comes 
to 
> public displays of affection.
> 
> Harry's never been tickled...for some reason, I just find that 
> thought ineffably sad.
> 
> Grannybat

Here's my reserved British take on tickling for what its worth.  I 
got tickled a lot when I was little and liked it - though the adult 
tickler has to know when to stop.  It also depends on the 
neurological sensitivity of the ticklee - I know some people find 
that contact almost if not totally unbearable, while others enjoy 
it.  

My father used to pretend his hand was a "tickle beetle" as he 
called it and I loved that when I was small.  And I'd forgottent 
that until now, and it brought him back in a good way thinking about 
it.

I think certainly as a parent I wasn't particularly reserved - in 
private.  My daughter (now fifteen) still likes getting her feet 
gently tickled and always did - though she'd kill me if she knew I 
was posting this.  

Kids get more reluctant about physical horseplay as they mature - I 
suspect this is as they become less confident bodily as their bodies 
change. Not surprising I think.  

This is a sad part of growing up I think because I remember how 
affectionate my daughter was at say 5 - when children will 
cheerfully hug and kiss you in public.  Then the dreaded day comes, 
when you are told not to kiss them goodbye at the school gate 
because other kids will make fun of them...  A sad moment that.  

Poor Harry indeed - from a remembered child's point of view and as a 
parent I think the innocent physical affections of childhood are 
very special and important.  I believe that it is contact like this 
that helps children grow up to become confident about their bodies - 
in a non-sexual way, just comfortable in their skin.  

Here's one I remember - even madder and it might squick some readers 
though I hope not - getting a raspberry blown on the tum is rather 
fun when you are small too.

Okay - wierd maybe.

June






From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan  3 13:59:04 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:59:04 -0000
Subject: Rhyming Slang (was -  Re: An interesting bit of trivia)
In-Reply-To: <bt4q37+h053@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt6hr8+q42l@eGroups.com>

> Geoff:
> Actually, they're rather nice with a scraping of margarine on and 
> some sort of topping - cheese, thin ham etc. Quite often the final 
> touch to a meal, with the coffee.
> 
> A fairly standard game at a party is to get a volunteer to eat a 
> couple of cream crackers and then try to whistle a tune - say a 
> Christmas carol or something similar.

Another challenge I've seen at parties - and it's virtually 
impossible (try it) is to eat a dry cream cracker (or similar 
savoury cheese biscuit) without once licking your lips.

June




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan  3 15:43:43 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:43:43 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Tickling Not On?
In-Reply-To: <bt6hnv+8tnp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3d210$616451a0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> June:
> 
> My father used to pretend his hand was a "tickle beetle" as he
> called it and I loved that when I was small.  And I'd forgottent
> that until now, and it brought him back in a good way thinking about
> it.
> 

Iggy here:

My dad used to do the "tickle monster" thing, where he'd kneel in the
middle of the floor and my sister and I would try to tag him.  If he
caught us, he would tickle us for a minute before letting us go.  

My wife and I do something similar with our daughter.  One of us stalks
after her making tickling motions.  She runs to the other, and if she
gets into their lap, she's safe from the "tickle beast."  (The lap is
the "safe zone.")  The "beast" then moves away a little bit and turns
around while our daughter leaves "base" and tries to get as close as
possible to the "beast" without being seen.  Then the "beast" turns
around and the whole game starts again.  *grin* Ya gotta love the
squeals and giggles.


> June:
>
> I think certainly as a parent I wasn't particularly reserved - in
> private.  My daughter (now fifteen) still likes getting her feet
> gently tickled and always did - though she'd kill me if she knew I
> was posting this.

Iggy here: 

I can't stand having my feet tickled, and fortunately my family knows
this.  For some reason, I have a very strong kick reflex when something
tickles my foot, and the only way to keep my foot from kicking is to
hold my ankle or sit on my leg.  This would be *very* dangerous for
someone to try, since it invokes my "fight or flight" reflex so strongly
that if they don't let go within a couple of seconds, they're likely to
find my other foot hull force in their kidney, back, or face.  (That
part goes back to my fear of being restrained from that whole incident I
mentioned before where a group of my friends decided it was a good idea
to take my virginity whether I wanted them to or not.  Bad idea, of
course.)

>
> June:
> 
> Kids get more reluctant about physical horseplay as they mature - I
> suspect this is as they become less confident bodily as their bodies
> change. Not surprising I think.

Iggy here:

I think a big part of that also may be *where* the most ticklish spots
on the body usually are.  Except the feet, most places are commonly
associated with some form of sexual action.

When I got older, I learned that (when you do it right and with a
compatible partner) tickling is a *very* effective form of seduction.
This is partly because the person associates laughing and having a good
time with you, as well as pleasant physical sensations.  And another
major part is because where you tickle (as mentioned before) is either
on, or very close, to an area commonly associated with sexuality.  The
knee, for flirting, the ribs are close to the breasts, the belly is
close to the chest and... well.. lower down, the neck itself is
considered an erogenous zone, and the crook of the hip (where your leg
bends forward) is near the crotch as well.

Even now, my wife and I tickle each other when we're feeling playful...
"frisky" or not.  Sometimes it's a prelude to more, and others times,
it's just good, clean fun.

Ahhhh... The fun of a seduction with a well played game of "tickle me -
tickle you."  *grin*


Iggy McSnurd





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Jan  3 17:31:59 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:31:59 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] TROY!!
References: <000e01c3d1c9$ee0a7400$2458aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c3d21f$7e888080$07331c40@oemcomputer>

Boggles wrote:

<It'll be interesting to see if Orlando gets
better lines this time .
. . after seeing him in the three LoTR movies
and _Pirates of the
Caribbean_, I *still* don't know whether I
think he can act or not.>

You take that back.  He so can act.  *huff*

But he should be getting good lines, he IS
the prince that kidnapped the woman who
started the war...should lead to good
lines...I hope.
Saitaina
****
Brave and bold they're not.  They ain't the
bravest heroes...but they're the only ones
we've got.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From jwcpgh at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 17:36:47 2004
From: jwcpgh at yahoo.com (jwcpgh)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 17:36:47 -0000
Subject: TROY!!
In-Reply-To: <000e01c3d1c9$ee0a7400$2458aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bt6ujf+869s@eGroups.com>

 "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> I saw a "coming soon" movie poster on the way out of Return of the 
King--for Troy.
> 
> ooooooooo.
> 
> Some of the names were Orlando Bloom, Sean Bean, Peter O'Toole..!!

> Can. Not. Wait.

Boggles:
It'll be interesting to see if Orlando gets better lines this time .
. . after seeing him in the three LoTR movies and _Pirates of the
Caribbean_, I *still* don't know whether I think he can act or not.

Laura:

Ah...so many bishounen, so little time!  (Bishounen, for those of 
you who aren't anime fans or don't have a teenager in the house, 
means "pretty men".)

If you've seen Orli in interview, you know that he's something of a 
ditz (in a cute and loveable way), so for him to pull off Legolas, 
he must have some acting talent.  

Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting the Viggo Mortensen 
movie "Hidalgo".  That should warm up a chilly winter night nicely...






From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Jan  3 17:36:31 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:36:31 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Tickling Not On?
References: <000101c3d210$616451a0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <005e01c3d220$20f1a680$07331c40@oemcomputer>

I still find tickling fun..though not on me
(always the case really).  I tickle my mother
still when I can get a chance (although as
her feet are the only ticklish things on her
it's hard not to get kicked...often) and I
tickle most little kids I can get my hands
on.

I've never found tickling sexual, probably
because tickling has always been a form of
"attack" in my family.  We'd be wrestling
around and if you're loosing, you start
tickling and gain the upper hand.

Although now that I think about it, it must
look odd to an outsider when I am being
tickled as my inner thighs are ticklish and
everyone seems to know that.  Trust me, it's
very hard to defend yourself when someone's
tickling your thighs, I tend to get whomped
in wrestling matches that this happens in (Of
course I ALWAYS have my revenge, in the dead
of night...when little feet poke out of
blankets *evil laugh*).


Saitaina
****
Brave and bold they're not.  They ain't the
bravest heroes...but they're the only ones
we've got.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From jwcpgh at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 17:46:34 2004
From: jwcpgh at yahoo.com (jwcpgh)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 17:46:34 -0000
Subject: Is Tickling Not On?
In-Reply-To: <bt6hnv+8tnp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt6v5q+k5oo@eGroups.com>

<june.diamanti at b...> wrote:
<snip> 
> Kids get more reluctant about physical horseplay as they mature - 
I suspect this is as they become less confident bodily as their 
bodies change. Not surprising I think.  
> 
> This is a sad part of growing up I think because I remember how 
> affectionate my daughter was at say 5 - when children will 
> cheerfully hug and kiss you in public.  Then the dreaded daywhen 
you are told not to kiss them goodbye at the school gate 
> because other kids will make fun of them...  A sad moment that.  
> 
> Poor Harry indeed - from a remembered child's point of view and as 
a parent I think the innocent physical affections of childhood are 
> very special and important.  I believe that it is contact like 
this that helps children grow up to become confident about their 
bodies - in a non-sexual way, just comfortable in their skin.  
> 
> Here's one I remember - even madder and it might squick some 
readers though I hope not - getting a raspberry blown on the tum is 
rather fun when you are small too.
> 
> Okay - wierd maybe.

Laura:

June, I think you're right about the importance of physical 
affection for kids.  Not only is it natural (since feeding and 
cuddling go together) and reassuring for kids, but it teaches them 
what non-sexual touching is, so they can tell the difference when 
the time comes.  A person who's never touched with affection will 
tend to sexualize all physical contact.

We're lucky-our kids (18 and 15) will still give us hugs in public.  
Sometimes they'll even initiate a hug!

I thought everyone did that with their kids' bellies-we sure did!  
Babies' bellies are irresistable for that.  Necks are good too.  :-)





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Jan  3 17:54:43 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:54:43 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Tickling Not On?
References: <bt6v5q+k5oo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007101c3d222$abe15c20$07331c40@oemcomputer>

Almost forgot two things I wanted to mention
in reply to other people:

Raspberries: Good, "clean" fun.  I give
raspberries to kids, they attempt to give
them to me (I can hang them upside down by
their feet...doesn't often work as they
planned).  Raspberries are just
fun...especially when you do them to my
mother who is germ aphobic *smirk*

Kissing/Hugging/whatevering parents:  I'm one
of those sad people who still call my mom,
mommy.  I admit it.  I will give her hugs and
kisses in public and scream "Mommy" across a
store when I want her attention (and end up
with fifty women looking at me).  I can't
help it, she's my mommy.  It's been only her
and me since I was seven (when my parents
divorced) and we're best buds...okay so we
scream at each other a lot...often in the
middle of a check out line, but that also
comes from being the only other person in
someone's life for over ten years.

But my relationship with my mother IS unique,
we were so poor we shared a bed for most of
my life as we only had one bedroom (which
means now in a two bedroom house I still have
"my side" of the bed when I come visit).
When I left home...it was as bad as a divorce
after spending decades married.

But while my relationship with my mother is
slightly unique (or not considering the rate
of divorce in America) I think it's very sad
when teens feel the need to "separate" from
their parents.  I mean, they're you're mommy
and/or daddy.  They're the only ones who will
have your back no matter what stupid ass
thing you do.  They deserve hugs and kisses
and big huge thank-yous just for wiping your
little butt when you were born.  Hmm, I feel
an urge to call my mommy.

Saitaina
****
Brave and bold they're not.  They ain't the
bravest heroes...but they're the only ones
we've got.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 19:49:51 2004
From: holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com (holmesclan2002)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:49:51 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
Message-ID: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>


Hello! 
    I am Melanie from Texas. My question is: Do any of you get Attitude from literary 
types who "don't do Potter"?  I've been in a ladies book group for 5 years...we're all 
friends. We read all kinds of stuff. There is, however, a real bias against Harry Potter 
books. The best I can tell is that the three most vocal members feel that it is too 
pedestrian for their tastes.  All of us are moms with teenagers. Two of these gals have 
genius progeny who are ging to Yale and MIT respectively. One daughter recently aced 
That's a score of 1600) her SAT test. I think there is a belief that if these books appeal 
to the masses, they must be somehow substandard. We get to choose the discussion 
book on our birthday month. My birthday is in January and I chose Azkaban.  The 
whining is deafening. You probably don't have any answers for me.  Maybe I just 
needed an understanding compatriot to listen. There are 7 members in our group, 
and I'll bet only a couple of them actually read the book. The others will just sit 
around and roll their eyes during discussion. Don"t you just hate it when you can't 
share a wonderful phenomenon like the Potter series with your friends? It feels even 
worse when you begin to realize that they disrespect the whole idea...fans included. 
Well. I guess everyone likes to feel a little bit superior to the next guy about 
something.





From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 22:55:35 2004
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (Martha)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:55:35 -0000
Subject: Walpurgis Night
Message-ID: <bt7h97+t0q6@eGroups.com>

Hello all, and a very happy, if slightly belated, new year. I've just 
got back from my new year's holiday, in St Ives (north Cornwall, for 
those who aren't familiar with it), which was wonderful, since you 
ask. I've been going there for the new year celebrations for seven 
years now, and one of the things I make a point of doing every year 
is paying a visit to the St Ives Tate Gallery, which is a lovely art 
gallery right on the beach.

Anyway, this year they were showing an exhibition of work by a 
painter called Alan Davie, and also a bunch of stuff by other 
painters who had inspired him. One of these was Paul Klee, and the 
picture they were showing made me rather excited, since it was 
called "Walpurgis Night". 

You know, like the Knights of Walpurgis?

The old name for the Death Eaters, according to the interview JKR 
gave Jeremy Paxman just before OoP came out?

Well, I found it exciting anyway. :-)

For anyone who's interested, there is an image of the painting and a 
bit of information about it here:

http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?
cgroupid=999999961&workid=8142&searchid=4575

The link with HP is probably a coincidence - but I'm certainly going 
to try and find out a bit more about it.

Anyway. How was everyone's new year?

~ Martha, who left Cornwall this morning and is already missing 
pasties... mmmmm... pasties...




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 23:24:32 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:24:32 -0000
Subject: Geography - Albania and The Accursed Mountains
Message-ID: <bt7ivg+qd6f@eGroups.com>



The subject of why Voldemort chose the Albanian forest to hide in has
come up in the main group. I thought it might help the discussion to
have some maps, photos, and demographic information.

Just for reference, it might be nice to know where all these strange
places are at while we discuss them, so once again my trusty CD-ROM
and I have prepared some maps for you.

http://bluemoonmarket.homestead.com/Files/albania/pg1.htm

Satellite Photo Maps of Albania and the surround area, as well as
links to many photos and detailed information about Albania.

Note the mountains in Albania are so rugged and inhospitable that they
are referred to as 'The Accursed Mountains' and local legend has it
that the Devil himself created them on his day off.

In addition to The Accursed Mountains, Albania is about 40% woodland
and forested.

Well worth a look just so see some great photos of the country side.

Just passing it along.

bboy_mn




From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 23:55:18 2004
From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Cristina_Rebelo_=C2ngelo?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:55:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sims!Harry and Ginny; BooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <bt4dgd+bvg7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA0V0yEVLY906TVPQaP+YzycKAAAAQAAAAlns9u/ccH0mBCHfD+RrDVAEAAAAA@yahoo.com>

 

----- Jennifer:
 I, however, have NEVER had a sim sucessfully light a fire in the
fireplace without starting a huge blaze.  And I've been playing for at
least a couple of years now.  You would think that a sim that has all
his skill points (and I mean ALL) would be smart and handy enough to
start a fire (and keep it) in the fireplace, wouldn't you?  Oooooh,
no.  And I've made the mistake a couple of times to make my fireplace
in a room that doesn't have a smoke detector - I always put one in the
kitchen, but if I've decided to "romanticize" the bedroom or
something, and I have someone start a nice little cuddly fire, it ends
up in disaster.  Hardly romantic.

-Jen, who has Hot Date and Unleashed, but not Vacation or MM - but who
is REALLY anxious for the Sims 2 to come out this spring...

 Cristina:
Oh!!!! Oh!!!! Oh!!!! (so excited she's losing words on her keyboard) I'm
looking some of the links Iggy told of, and may have found what you're
looking for: a fireplace cloned from the Tiki Torch!!! Meaning it looks like
a fireplace but is actually a "lighting" object. Have just downloaded it,
and ran here to tell you all, so I haven't tried it on my game yet. It's on
HYPERLINK
"http://www.simsinteriordesigns.net/"http://www.simsinteriordesigns.net/
under their lighting area. They have other stuff too - maybe the most
romantic for your purposes would be the fireplace-with-candles (oooooooooh).
 
Oh. I just love this. After all this discussion, I started a neighbourhood
again, and with Harry et al. So far, I've had Harry turn into a monster,
become a woman trapped inside a man, and die trying to repair the tv (didn't
save, and had him call the repair man...). And all in his first day...
Considering I also put him in the paranormal career... and that I don't have
MM... I think it's keeping with the general spirit...
 
Cristina (who's slightly afraid the non-Sim ones are going to tell us to go
elsewhere...)


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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jan  4 00:52:36 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:52:36 -0000
Subject: Walpurgis Night
In-Reply-To: <bt7h97+t0q6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt7o4k+ceht@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Martha"
<fakeplastikcynic at h...> wrote:
> One of these was Paul Klee, and the picture they were showing made
> me rather excited, since it was called "Walpurgis Night". 
>
http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=8142&sear=
chid=4575
> 
> You know, like the Knights of Walpurgis?
> 
> The old name for the Death Eaters, according to the interview JKR 
> gave Jeremy Paxman just before OoP came out?

Walpurgis Night is a fairly well-known name for May Eve (the night
before May Day), as celebrated by legendary witches. The name
originally had nothing to do with witches: May 1 was St Walburga's Day
in some calendars (like the name Halloween originally had nothing to
do with witches, but it's the Eve (e'en) of All Saints (All Hallows)'
Day, another traditional Pagan holy day).

The specific Walburga appears to bave been a healer and a Muggle
(information about her is below), so I imagine that the group Knights
of Walpurgis was either named after a different Walburga or simply
after Walpurgis Night. I imagine that the Knights of Walpurgis were
founded as a violent type of "Wizard Defense League", attempting to
prevent Muggle abuse of wizards by the consistently unsuccessful means
of taking revenge (by killing a few Muggles) for each abuse of a
wizard. They may have liked the sound of 'purge' and 'pure' in
'Walpurgis'.

There are a couple of websites I use for looking up saints, or just
searching for quaint given names:
http://www.catholic.org/saints/stindex.php
http://users.erols.com/saintpat/ss/ss-index.htm
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/indexsnt.htm

The first of those gives:
"St. Walburga, Virgin (Feast day - February 25) Walburga was born in
Devonshire England, around 710. She was the daughter of a West Saxon
chieftain and the sister of St. Willibald and Winebald. Walburga was
educated at Wimborne Monastery in Dorset, where she became a nun. In
748, she was sent with St. Lioba to Germany to help St. Boniface in
his missionary work. She spent two years at Bishofsheim, after which
she became Abbess of the double monastery at Heidenheim founded by her
brother Winebald. At the death of Winebald, St. Walburga was appointed
Abbess of both monasteries by her brother Willibald, who was then
Bishop of Eichstadt. She remained superior of both men and women until
her death in 779. She was buried first at Heidenheim, but later her
body was interred next to that of her brother, St. Winebald, at
Eichstadt."

The second adds:
"(also known as Bugga, Gaudurge, Vaubourg, Walpurga, Walpurgis)"

and

"This English woman had the curious destiny of attaining a place in
German folklore. The night of May 1 (the date of the transfer of her
relics to Eichst?tt in 870) became known as Walpurgisnacht. May 1 had
been a pagan festival marking the beginning of summer and the revels
of witches, hence the traditions of Walpurgisnacht, which have no
intrinsic connection with the saint. Nevertheless, her name became
associated with witchcraft and other superstitions (cf. Goethe's
Faust, pt. i, Walpurgis night in the Hartz mountains). It is possible,
however, that the protection of crops ascribed to her, represented by
the three ears of corn in her icons, may have been transferred to her
from Mother Earth (Walborg)."

Note: "cf Goethe's Faust, pt. i, Walpurgis night in the Hartz
mountains" is what the webpage to which you linked mentioned as
"Walpurgis night, as portrayed in the ghostly scene on the Brocken in
Goethe's 'Faust', exerted a fascination on Klee throughout his life." 

The third adds:
"Cures are ascribed to the oil that exudes from a rock on which her
relics were placed, which together with her healing skills in life
explains her patronage of plague, rabies, coughs, etc."




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 01:18:38 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:18:38 -0000
Subject: TROY!!
In-Reply-To: <bt6ujf+869s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt7ple+oc7f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jwcpgh" <jwcpgh at y...> wrote:
>  "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> > I saw a "coming soon" movie poster on the way out of Return of 
the 
> King--for Troy.
> > 
> > ooooooooo.
> > 
> > Some of the names were Orlando Bloom, Sean Bean, Peter 
O'Toole..!!
> 
> > Can. Not. Wait.
> 
> Boggles:
> It'll be interesting to see if Orlando gets better lines this 
time .
> . . after seeing him in the three LoTR movies and _Pirates of the
> Caribbean_, I *still* don't know whether I think he can act or not.
> 
> Laura:
> 
> Ah...so many bishounen, so little time!  (Bishounen, for those of 
> you who aren't anime fans or don't have a teenager in the house, 
> means "pretty men".)
> 
> If you've seen Orli in interview, you know that he's something of 
a 
> ditz (in a cute and loveable way), so for him to pull off Legolas, 
> he must have some acting talent.  
> 
> Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting the Viggo Mortensen 
> movie "Hidalgo".  That should warm up a chilly winter night 
nicely...

*****\(@@)/*****

OHHHHHH YES!!!!!! I am living for Hidalgo! I saw two versions of the 
trailer. One had Viggo saying to the female lead that his horse 
likes her. (the other one didn't have it) He was just soooo cute. I 
have decided if they ever do Steven King's the Gunslinger series he 
would be perfect as Roland the Gunslinger!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 01:31:11 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:31:11 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt7qcv+5itd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002" 
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello! 
>     I am Melanie from Texas. My question is: Do any of you get 
Attitude from literary  types who "don't do Potter"?  I've been in a 
ladies book group for 5 years...we're all 
> friends. We read all kinds of stuff. There is, however, a real 
bias against Harry Potter books. The best I can tell is that the 
three most vocal members feel that it is too pedestrian for their 
tastes.  

>Snip< 
My birthday is in January and I chose Azkaban.  The whining is 
deafening. 

>Snip< 

*****\(@@)/*****

First of all, Happy Birthday Melanie! And I for one am very glad you 
chose Prisoner of Azkaban. It is their loss if they don't read the 
book or at least give it a chance. It's not like you are trying to 
convert them. How can you decide a book is too "pedestrian" if you 
haven't read it? 

I am a Mensan and I just love the books and collect Harry Potter 
stuff but I also don't expect everyone else to like it as much as I 
do. My husband listens to the books on tape when we travel and he 
says he enjoys them but he hasn't been motivated to read the books. 

If everyone in your group gets the chance to pick a book then it is 
only good manners for the group to read it and talk about it and 
move on to the next book (after all they are suppose to be adults) 
Ignore the whining and revel in your Potterverse! Sounds like you 
have a couple of Umbridges there!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From andie at knownet.net  Sun Jan  4 01:57:59 2004
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:57:59 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt7rv7+fhdg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002" 
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello! 
>     I am Melanie from Texas. My question is: Do any of you get 
Attitude from literary 
> types who "don't do Potter"?  


BIG SNIP


I understand you totally.  I am by far the most Potter-Obsessed 
person I know, but it is very discouraging when your friends, who 
are very educated people, are very dismissive of Harry.  I does seem 
like some people just say that it is too commercialized and 
therefore it can't be good.  They just don't know how wrong they 
are.  I really am glad that you chose PoA. It is my personal 
favorite, and if any of the books will turn their heads, that one 
will.  I hope that they do read it so you can prove them all wrong.

Good luck :)
Andrea




From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 03:59:03 2004
From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:59:03 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt8327+7afj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002" 
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
>     I am Melanie from Texas. My question is: Do any of you get 
> Attitude from literary types who "don't do Potter"?  I've been in 
> a ladies book group for 5 years...we're all friends. We read all 
> kinds of stuff. There is, however, a real bias against Harry 
> Potter books. The best I can tell is that the three most vocal 
> members feel that it is too pedestrian for their tastes.  All of 
> us are moms with teenagers. Two of these gals have genius progeny 
> who are ging to Yale and MIT respectively. One daughter recently 
> aced That's a score of 1600) her SAT test. I think there is a 
> belief that if these books appeal to the masses, they must be 
> somehow substandard. 

Oh, trust me, a person doesn't need to have genius progeny going to 
Yale and MIT to be dismissive of the Potter books.  My sister and 
sister-in-law were visiting on New Year's Day and were both 
mystified about how I could devote time to writing HP fanfiction, 
let alone why hundreds of adults traveled to Florida in July for a 
symposium on the Potter books.  My sister-in-law kept saying, 'Oh, 
they're ALL RIGHT...' (She never went to college and two of her 
three kids have flunked out of community colleges.)  And my sister 
mostly reads books on spirituality, despite the fact that she never 
goes to church (but she's considering converting to another 
denomination, go figure).  I tried to convince her that a number of 
authors have written very interesting books about the spirituality 
in the Potter books, but she remains unconvinced and they both think 
the HP books are just fluffy 'fun' (although my sister-in-law said 
she didn't really like OotP--guess it wasn't enough 'fun' for her).

I am fortunate that I can mention my involvement in Nimbus around 
people at my church and get into very interesting HP discussions 
there.  (The minister, director of music and my kids' Sunday School 
teacher are some of the people with whom I can discuss HP!  Yes, I 
know I go to the coolest church in the world--don't get me 
started.)  Perhaps after the PoA discussion, the naysayers in your 
group will see that there is a lot more under the surface of the 
books.  Good luck.

--Barb

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb

The Psychic Serpent Series is complete! 





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 04:32:43 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 04:32:43 -0000
Subject: Geography - Albania and The Accursed Mountains
In-Reply-To: <bt7ivg+qd6f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt851b+duis@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> The subject of why Voldemort chose the Albanian forest to hide in has
> come up in the main group. I thought it might help the discussion to
> have some maps, photos, and demographic information.
> 
> Just for reference, it might be nice to know where all these strange
> places are at while we discuss them, so once again my trusty CD-ROM
> and I have prepared some maps for you.
> 
> http://bluemoonmarket.homestead.com/Files/albania/pg1.htm
<snip>

Thanks for the info! There was a *lot* there, so I haven't taken the
time yet to look at all of it, but I have a few comments anyway!

1. That city of Berat -- man!  That place is nearly *vertical!*  Must
be a nice view, though.

2. Actually, it all makes me really wonder how Voldemort ever expected
the DEs to find him (Wormtail being a special case as he could talk to
the rats).

3. That photo that's wallpapered behind the Albanian photos -- any
chance of seeing that in positive?  :-)

4. All this has reminded me of a song.  Who remembers the series
"Cheers?"  Remember Coach?  One time he was explaining to Sam and the
others how he used to remember facts for school:  he'd set them to
music.  Then, for an example, he sang this to the tune of "When the
Saints Go Marching In:"

Albania,
Albania,
You border on the Adriatic.
Your terrain is mainly mountainous,
And your chief export is chrome.

I never forgot that song.

Annemehr
with thanks again for Steve, and regretting all the places she'll
never get to visit...
 




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 06:30:52 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 06:30:52 -0000
Subject: Geography - Albania and The Accursed Mountains
In-Reply-To: <bt851b+duis@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt8bus+pabq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > The subject of why Voldemort chose the Albanian forest to hide in 
> > ... I thought it might help the discussion to have some maps, ....
> > 
> > ...edited...
> 


> Thanks for the info! There was a *lot* there, so I haven't taken the
> time yet to look at all of it, but I have a few comments anyway!
> 
> 1. ...edited...
> 
> 2. Actually, it all makes me really wonder how Voldemort ever
> expected the DEs to find him (...).
> 

bboy_mn:
I'm not sure Voldemort really did expect anyone to come and find him.
Voldemort doesn't rule by consent, he rules by force; rules with an
iron hand. I guess I could summaries it by saying that when the
biggest bully on the playground gets lost, the geeks and nerds aren't
really that eager to go looking for him.

Voldemort did claim to hold out hope, but I think deep down he knew it
was a pretty false hope. None of them ever would have come either. The
only reason Peter/Wormtail sought out Voldemort is because he had no
where else he could go. 

I think he chose 'The Accursed Mountains' because, in general, Albania
is a very isolated country, I don't mean geographically isolated, but
politically and socially isolated. The terrain is forested, and the
mountains are incredably rugged and inhospitable. It would have been
very difficult for any one to find him in such a place.

I keep thinking that one or more Death Eaters must have or will wise
up and see that their lives are much better off without Voldemort. As
I have said many times before, Voldemort may make a great tyrant, but
he is not capable of running a stable, prosperous, and functional
country. Stability and reliability are the keys to economic
prosperity, and Voldemort will deliver neither of these. A wizard
world in chaos with a destroyed economy will not be a happy place.



> 3. That photo that's wallpapered behind the Albanian photos -- any
> chance of seeing that in positive?  :-)
> 

bboy_mn:

The original photo, which I have, is from Rupert Grint's appearance on
the Oprah Winfrey Show (along with Daniel and Emma).

The background image is actually embossed first, which turns it all
shades of grey and giving it a ...well... embossed appearance. Then I
add colored lighting effects like the spot light shining across his
Rupert's face. Finally, I reduce the images to fit the screen.

> 4. All this has reminded me of a song.  Who remembers the series
> "Cheers?"  Remember Coach?  One time he was explaining to Sam and the
> others how he used to remember facts for school:  he'd set them to
> music.  Then, for an example, he sang this to the tune of "When the
> Saints Go Marching In:"
> 
> Albania,
> Albania,
> You border on the Adriatic.
> Your terrain is mainly mountainous,
> And your chief export is chrome.
> 
> I never forgot that song.
> 
> Annemehr
> with thanks again for Steve, and regretting all the places she'll
> never get to visit...


bboy_mn:

YES! YES! YES! Ever since the discussion of Albania came up, I've
heard Coach's voice over and over in my head, singing that song.

If you email me directly at my user name at Yahoo.com, I will send you
the original photo(s). Although, most HP photo galleries will have
these images in them. 

bboy_mn




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 07:06:56 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:06:56 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt8e2g+1nk8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002"
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello! 
> I am Melanie from Texas. My question is: Do any of you get
> Attitude from literary types who "don't do Potter"?  I've been in a 
> ladies book group for 5 years... we're all friends. We read all 
> kinds of stuff. There is, however, a real bias against Harry Potter 
> books. ...edited... We get to choose the discussion  book on our
birthday month. My birthday is in January and I chose Azkaban.  The 
> whining is deafening. ...edited...
> 
> Melanie

bboy_mn:

Tell me, did you read the boring and predictable 'intellectual' books
that your friends chose when it was their turn? Of course, you did. 

Isn't the whole purpose of a group like this to expose yourself to new
things, new books, new ideas that you might not discover if left to
your own devices? Is the purpose to prepetuate the 'same old, same
old', or is it to expand your horizons? Expand horizons, I think.

If your friends are going to engage in a club like this, then they
need to abide by the rules. If they seriously expect you to read their
books, then it's only fair they read yours.

Some else in a response to your post said that there is always a bias
against that with is commercially sucessfull. I know many music snobs
who will tell you that anything that appears in the top 40 play list
is commerial mass produced crap. What I'm leading up to in saying that
is that Harry Potter is not a commercial book, it was not written to
the standard mass production formula of many many of the successful
books that are out there. 

True Harry Potter is very very successful and popular, but it's by no
means a commerical 'hit' formula book. It is very important in
conjunction with this to note that JKR did not expect this book to
sell, all she wanted was to be able to say that she was a published
author, and maybe make enough money to get off welfare (the dole). She
wrote this book for herself, with no commercial considerations
whatsoever. ALSO, this is not a series of books written FOR childred,
it just happens to be about a child. There was no planning in the
design of this book that followed a 'what will people like', 'what
will sell', 'what will appeal to the publishers'. 

Quite the opposite, JKR has specifically said she will not compromise
her original artistic vision to please either her readers or her
publishers. This is the series she is writing, take it or leave it,
she doesn't care. As long as she writes the story she wants to tell,
then she will be happy; the rest of the world is welcome along on her
journey, but they are by no means required.

In fact, it is entirely possible that the reason the Harry Potter
books are so successful is that JKR gave NO commercial consideration
in there writing. In many ways she breaks all the rules, and adheres
to no formulas, she doesn't talk down to the readers, she hasn't
simplified the books to make them easier for kids to read, she has
chosen to deal head-on with touchy subjects like racism, bigotry, and
death. These are not books with clean sugar coated easy to resolve
themes. These are books of great pain and misery, of moral and social
uncertainty, these are books that make you think rather than handing
you sugar coated answers at the end. 

If your friends are too stuck-up to take a chance and see for
themselves, then that is their great loss. They are missing out on a
chance to read some thoroughly captivating books full of complex
mysteries with very intricate plots, and with very interesting and
endearing characters. 

If they choose to live their lives diminished, then all you can do is
shrug your shoulders and be thankful that your life has been enriched.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn






From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 10:24:18 2004
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:24:18 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt8pki+20mg@eGroups.com>

It's 2am and I'm sick-as-a-dog, so forgive me for any type-os or
unreadable nonsense. :)


Melanie mentioned the flak she got from her "ladies group" (ladies -
sheesh!) about choosing PoA for her birthday month book.


Me:  Oh, Melanie, I totally sympathize with you on that one!  I'm also
a member of a reading group, and right around our conception (I think
it was our 4th or 5th meeting about 4 years ago), I chose SS as my
book-of-the-month.  One of the "ladies" in the group, when asked her
opinions of it, actually said, "Oh.  I didn't read it.  I don't read
children's books," in this snooty, "I'm grown-up, pity you're not"
voice.  I was so upset at that!  It was lucky that that introduction
to HP spawned a couple of other rabid fans... otherwise, I would
probably have been so disappointed that I would have quit the group.

I'm not saying this will happen to you - you have a smaller group than
the one I'm (still!!) in, but in the end, it worked out that this
"lady" and her husband went two rounds through 15 people with choosing
huge books and then not attending any other people's group hostings -
and then quit because they "didn't feel accepted".

(just re-read that sentence and it didn't make much sense... sorry)

Okay, here's what I'm trying to say.  Yes, I've gotten the same
Attitude from reading snobs, and yes it hurts.  But then - that's why
I'm still here. :)  We'll all commiserate with you and support you. 
And if they do whine about it, tell them you thought they were all
grown-up enough to "do their homework" and not complain like children.
 They don't have to like it.  But they also don't have to piss on
people who do.

Ugh, I'm getting worse.  I'll shut up now.  Good luck with your
January meeting, Melanie.

-Rambling, Feverish Jen.




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sun Jan  4 13:07:48 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:07:48 -0000
Subject: Get a Life! was Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt9374+kf2m@eGroups.com>

Melanie wrote:-

 <<<Don"t you just hate it when you can't share a wonderful 
phenomenon like the Potter series with your friends? It feels even 
worse when you begin to realize that they disrespect the whole 
idea...fans included. 

 Well. I guess everyone likes to feel a little bit superior to the 
next guy about something.>>>

Ali responds:

Your question made me smile and cringe at the same time. It is a 
very sad fact that most of the people I know neither understand 
about my love for Harry Potter nor do think it's an *acceptable* 
past time. 

I keep in touch with and remain good friends with many of my school 
friends. I hosted our annual Christmas get together a couple of 
weeks ago, and the subject got on to Harry Potter - I *didn't* 
instigate it. I think I was lulled into a false sense of security by 
the positive nature of the discussion, so I mentioned this group and 
my involvement in it. After that I think I was on a roll and 
mentioned the fact that I want to organise a UK conference. A very 
dear old friend told me to get a life!! 

I wonder what it is about my friends and family that makes them 
think they can insult my pasttimes? If I'd have said I like 
gardening or photography, I might have been acceptable, but no, HP 
is definitely not seen as ok by the majority of my friends. They 
think that I've developed this interest because I've stopped work 
and looking after babies and young kids has somehow dulled my brain? 
Another friend told me that she thought I needed to get a job (I do 
but for different reasons!). 

At one stage I thought my sister understood. Then I told her about 
the conference I was envisaging and asked her if she'd like to go; 
she said she'd only go if she could bring an 8 year old she looks 
after! She's since proved to me very clearly that she doesn't 
understand.

Reluctantly, I have come to conclude that although many of my 
friends have read and loved the books, that they do so with a kind 
of patronising, "Well I wanted to see what the fuss was all about" 
kind of attitiude - after 5 books, many of them would still say it's 
for kids - or the kid within themselves! Of course, I have other 
friends who do understand. Those friends are not addicts, but are 
willing to help me with conference stuff if I need it, and are 
willing to think that I'm not off my rocker! But the answer is to 
meet and make friends with fellow HP addicts. Of those I have got to 
know - and in some cases meet, it is surprising how much else we 
actually have in common. It is also a big advantage not to have to 
apologise for Harry Potter!

BTW, if anyone is interested in helping organise an HP conference in 
the UK, please contact me, or join our group: 

HP-UK-Convention-subscribe at yahoogroups.com

I'm intending to get things going again in the next week or so - or 
admit defeat, something I don't want to do!

Ali

(Who has got a Life - honest!)




From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 17:52:19 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:52:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <1073236933.1428.21390.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040104175219.16216.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>

Melanie from Texas wrote: My question is: Do any of
you get Attitude from literary types who "don't do
Potter"?

ME:
My younger sister is currently working on her Master's
degree in library science, speacializing in middle
school literature and library work. She's always been
a bit of a literary snob in her personal reading
choices, and hasn't read the Harry Potter books, even
though they are appropriate to her career choice, both
of her siblings rave about them, and her husband has
been listening to the books on cd and enjoying them.

Over the holidays, we were at my Mother's house, where
I was re-reading Order of the Phoenix. At one point my
sister said to me, rather dismissively, "Don't you
think that book is a bit too long for kids to read?"
I replied "well, millions of kids have not only read
the book through, but loved every page. So, no, I
don't think the book is too long for kids. Besides,
shoulden't you be advocating that kids read MORE?"

That pretty much stopped the conversation, but it was
worth it!

Tyler


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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sun Jan  4 18:07:54 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:07:54 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bt9kpq+snie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002" 
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello! 
>     I am Melanie from Texas. My question is: Do any of you get 
Attitude from literary 
> types who "don't do Potter"?  I've been in a ladies book group 
for 5 years...we're all  friends. We read all kinds of stuff. There
is, 
however, a real bias against Harry Potter  books. The best I can 
tell is that the three most vocal members feel that it is too  
pedestrian for their tastes.  All of us are moms with teenagers. 
Two of these gals have  genius progeny who are ging to Yale 
and MIT respectively. One daughter recently aced  That's a score 
of 1600) her SAT test. I think there is a belief that if these books 
appeal  to the masses, they must be somehow substandard. 
We get to choose the discussion  book on our birthday month. 
My birthday is in January and I chose Azkaban.  The  whining is 
deafening. <<

Actually, no, I don't have that problem with my friends, but then 
they know better than to get passive-aggressive with me. <g> 

Is it possible your friends are so proud of their childrens' 
intellectual accomplishments because they're a bit shaky about 
their own? Maybe you should politely offer to excuse them for the 
evening, no hard feelings. That ought to silence the whining, 
anyway.

Pippin




From holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 16:11:15 2004
From: holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com (holmesclan2002)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:11:15 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
Message-ID: <bt9dv3+cj2t@eGroups.com>

Mel here.
    Your empathy is a salve for my irritated sensibilities! This subject is my first post, 
and I thank you all for such a great welcome to the group.  I have wondered why I've 
continued to "tune in" to HP for grownups for many months now,  just listening in in a 
daily sort of way. Now I realize how much I needed to connect with like minded souls.  
Have any of you read Life of Pi?  It's an interesting tale that separates those readers 
who prefer logic and "just the facts" over those who embrace faith in the unlikely but 
more interesting story.  I am surrounded by pragmatists.  It's not just that they can't  
appreciate innovation and creativity, it's that they seem repelled by it. I am an 
anomaly in my own book group! :)  Ah well....It's just simply corking to meet you all.  
Really!  Here's to us!





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan  5 04:11:53 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:11:53 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
References: <20040104175219.16216.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005301c3d342$0d261e10$a6706751@kathryn>





> Melanie from Texas wrote: My question is: Do any of
> you get Attitude from literary types who "don't do
> Potter"?


K

You know what really annoys me when people do that? When it's people on an
HP group! One group I know which is *specifically* for HP fanfic and
discussion just had a massive fight because some of the members believed
that HP couldn't possibly stand up to any kind of literary analysis and
anyone who said that they could was classed as 'not having read many books
in their lives'. The assumption was also made that if you thought HP was
good then you must automatically be denigrating every other 'classic' or
'work of literature' and that you were somehow sitting at home obsessing
over the books and stroking your first edition copies of HP. Now I have no
problem with people who think HP is a plain and simple straightforward kids
book with no depth (as one person told me - unlike Narnia which is
apparently a work of genius), that's their opinion and they're entitled to
it even if I do disagree with it vehemently, but I really dislike the
snobbish attitude a lot of people have about HP where they assume that if
you enjoy them as more than just an escape to childhood you must be immature
and incapable of appreciating 'real' books. I was moved to wonder why
someone with that attitude would join an HP fanfic group and was told that
fanfic is different because there's a lot out there with wonderful depth to
the characterisation and intriguing plots - none of which is evident in the
books but is all a fannish creation. *shrugs* Now personally if I thought a
book simplistic I wouldn't go searching online to see if its fans were
better writers than the author - but that's just me.

I really don't understand why a liking for one book has any relevance on
your ability to appreciate other types of book. I like Shakespeare, I like
Dickens, I adore Austen, I love Harry Potter, I am addicted to crime fiction
and I have been known to read trashy romances on occasion. My liking for any
one of these types of book impacts on the others only in that I may be able
to see influences from one genre in another.

*grumble* Rant over.

K





From elrond at paradise.net.nz  Sun Jan  4 20:54:13 2004
From: elrond at paradise.net.nz (Michael Chance)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:54:13 +1300
Subject: Master and the Wolf update
Message-ID: <002b01c3d304$ef5104a0$b3444fcb@locxvcym>

Hi :) I'm finally back from holiday, so hopefully this will be the first of
more regular updates for this year :) "Master and the Wolf" -
http://chance.slashcity.net/masterandthewolf - has just had 3 new stories
added to it. "A Cold Coming We Had of It" by Aviatirx, "Perilous Links" by
Amber and Ash and "The master and the Wolf" by ntemera.

Those are the only stories I've received since the 20th of December, so if
anyone else has sent in a story since then could you please re-send it to me
at elrond at paradise.net.nz ?

Thanks
Michael
--
"The Dancing Skeleton" - http://chance.slashcity.net/hope/
- my personal page based on the quote "If you can't get rid of the skeleton
in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." - George Bernard Shaw




From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 22:05:27 2004
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:05:27 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bta2n7+a2ju@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002" 
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello! 
>     I am Melanie from Texas. My question is: Do any of you get 
Attitude from literary 
> types who "don't do Potter"?  I've been in a ladies book group for 
5 years...we're all 
> friends. We read all kinds of stuff. There is, however, a real bias 
against Harry Potter 
> books. 

<snipped>

Geoff:
Having read your original message and then the many follow ups, I 
thought I'd add my own two pennyworth on a couple of the things which 
have arisen.

First, on the subject of commercial success leading to the 
denigration of a book and whether JKR was aiming for that, it is 
interesting that, for most of its fifty-year history, "Lord of the 
Rings" has suffered in the same way. Tolkien wrote the original 
stories - which formed the basis of "The Silmarillion" - for his own 
satisfaction and LOTR gradually diverged from Allen & Unwin's request 
for a sequel to "The Hobbit" and does not follow the norms of so-
called normal literature.

Tom Shippey, in his excellent literary critique "J.R.R.Tolkien:Author 
of the Century", gets in quite a lot of quiet humour because of the 
torrent of criticism which came from reviewers who didn't like his 
writign pattern and also got in a strop when the book stubbornly came 
top of polls for the best fiction despite the hand-wringing of 
characters auch as Germaine Greer. his book is well worth reading if 
only for that!

I think, for another reason I shall move on to, that many critics of 
Harry just haven't read the books, seeing them as children's 
literature or too simplistic or whatever.

Hand on heart, I have to admit to a "Damascus Road" experience with 
Harry. When the films started to come out, I allowed myself to listen 
to folk in my church who told me that it was satanic, devilish and 
not for Christians and be influenced by them.

Just over a year ago, My wife and I was staying with a friend in 
Cardiff and, being at a loose end, decided to see what was on at the 
local cinema. COS was the answer. Knowing the views I had picked up, 
my wife asked me if I wanted to go and see it so I shrugged and 
said "Yeah. OK." We went; I enjoyed it and a day or so later watched 
PS on our friends Sky Box Office which reinforced my enjoyment. 
returning home, I progrssively bought the books and was hooked. As an 
evangelical Christian, I cannot agree with those who told me they 
were "bad" books. I have found a great deal of material int he books 
which I have used with young people's groups to reinforce many of the 
basic tenets of the Christian faith and have stood my ground on these 
items with folk around me and on the HPFGU group.

I feel therefore that there is a commercial element here - jealousy? 
sneering by the so-called "literati" ebeause they feel that the books 
are beneath them and the second element being that I now tend to say 
to critics - either religious or literary "How many of the books have 
you read?"

Strength to your arm with your reading group. Give 'em hell!

Geoff




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  5 00:29:52 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 00:29:52 -0000
Subject: Geography - Albania and The Accursed Mountains
In-Reply-To: <bt8bus+pabq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btab60+jdn9@eGroups.com>


> bboy_mn:
> I'm not sure Voldemort really did expect anyone to come and find him.
<snip>
> Voldemort did claim to hold out hope, but I think deep down he knew it
> was a pretty false hope.
<snip>
> I think he chose 'The Accursed Mountains' because, in general, Albania
> is a very isolated country, I don't mean geographically isolated, but
> politically and socially isolated. The terrain is forested, and the
> mountains are incredably rugged and inhospitable. It would have been
> very difficult for any one to find him in such a place.
<snip>

Annemehr:
I can well believe that no DE but the desperate Wormtail was ever
going to look for him, but Peter and DD's spies apparently were able
to find him.  If you ever have any ideas about what Voldemort might
have planned to do, in case Wormtail never came and assuming LV would
refuse to exist as a vapor forever, I'd be interested to read them --
on the main list, I suppose, as this is too *on* topic for here, eh?

> Annemehr:
> > 3. That photo that's wallpapered behind the Albanian photos -- any
> > chance of seeing that in positive?  :-)
> > 
> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> The original photo, which I have, is from Rupert Grint's appearance on
> the Oprah Winfrey Show (along with Daniel and Emma).
> 
> The background image is actually embossed first, which turns it all
> shades of grey and giving it a ...well... embossed appearance. Then I
> add colored lighting effects like the spot light shining across his
> Rupert's face. Finally, I reduce the images to fit the screen.

Annemehr:
Thanks!  I was able to find them myself online.  The stuff you did
really added something, though -- I think it brought out something in
the eyes, a truly happy smile.  Here's hoping the kids really are
happy with their work on HP and stay that way!

> 
> > 4. All this has reminded me of a song.<snip>
> > Albania,
> > Albania,
> > You border on the Adriatic.
> > Your terrain is mainly mountainous,
> > And your chief export is chrome.
> > 
> > I never forgot that song.
> > 
> > Annemehr
> > with thanks again for Steve, and regretting all the places she'll
> > never get to visit...
> 
> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> YES! YES! YES! Ever since the discussion of Albania came up, I've
> heard Coach's voice over and over in my head, singing that song.

Annemehr:
Good!  So I'm not the only one...  :D
(Back to the subject of earworms again, then?)





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jan  5 04:38:25 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 04:38:25 -0000
Subject: Geography - Albania and The Accursed Mountains
In-Reply-To: <btab60+jdn9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btapo1+6e9r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> > bboy_mn:
> > I'm not sure Voldemort really did expect anyone to come and find 
him.
> <snip>
> > Voldemort did claim to hold out hope, but I think deep down he 
knew it
> > was a pretty false hope.
> <snip>
> > I think he chose 'The Accursed Mountains' because, in general, 
Albania
> > is a very isolated country, I don't mean geographically isolated, 
but
> > politically and socially isolated. The terrain is forested, and 
the
> > mountains are incredably rugged and inhospitable. It would have 
been
> > very difficult for any one to find him in such a place.
> <snip>
> 

I took my first European vacation last June, spending two weeks in 
Greece. We flew over Albania on the way to Athens - with, Deo 
Gratias, perfect weather and 100% visibility - and the mountainous 
regions of Albania are incredibly rugged and desolate.  Needless to 
say, as an HP fan, I was glued to my window, binoculars in hand, 
scouting for possible Dark Lord spiderholes.  The awesome Albanian 
mountains look like the Dakota Badlands, only ten times worse. A 
perfect hideout for the Dark Lord!  - not even the most intrepid 
Auror would be eager to pursue him there 

BTW, the best movie I've ever seen about Albania was a 1995 Italian 
movie titled L'America (directed by Gianni Amelio). I just checked 
Amazon and it does not seem to be out on DVD as yet. The film is set 
in 1991 (the year the Marxian regime collapsed), and concerns two 
corrupt Italian businessmen who enter Albania hoping to set up a 
bogus shoe-making plant. But they need a native Albanian to chair 
their corporation, and they select a man who - well, the film opens 
with old 1930s newsreels of Mussolini's troops entering Albania as 
liberators, and.....they select an elderly newly-liberated prisoner 
who turns out to be an Italian soldier first sent by Mussolini but 
then imprisoned for life by Evner Hoxha's Communist regime. The poor 
man, in his 80s, is in an advanced state of senility, and..  well, I 
won't give away any more of the plot (except to say: remember those 
old clothes you gave to the Salvation Army in 1983? - here's your 
chance to see where they wound up), but this is a film I strongly 
recommend once it becomes DVD-available. And why is a movie about 
Italians in Albania titled "L'America"? - you won't know until the 
very end!

   - CMC




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  5 13:28:54 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:28:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Ms Tattersall!
Message-ID: <20040105132854.81797.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

*stumbles into the party room, rubbing tired eyes, and
flips open the box of decorations and begins rummaging
through to find the perfect selection*

You guys better be ready for a party, what with me
getting up so early to decorate and all. I can
understand if you don't want cake for breakfast, but
don't forget it's in the other room. ;-)

Today's birthday honouree is Ms Tattersall. Birthday
owls can be sent care of this list or sent directly
to: cwood at tattersallpub.com

I hope your day is magical and filled with fun and
happiness.

Happy Birthday, Ms Tattersall!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:18:16 2004
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (Martha)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:18:16 -0000
Subject: Walpurgis Night
In-Reply-To: <bt7o4k+ceht@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btbrn8+6jh6@eGroups.com>

<Snip some of Catlady's research>

Martha:
Wow - thanks for that! And there was me all set to trawl through the 
entire internet. ;-) To tell the truth, I didn't think there was any 
connection with the Klee painting itself, but the name jumped out at 
me, and I got all excited, because I'm a fangirl.

Catlady:
> The specific Walburga appears to bave been a healer and a Muggle
> (information about her is below), so I imagine that the group 
Knights
> of Walpurgis was either named after a different Walburga or simply
> after Walpurgis Night. I imagine that the Knights of Walpurgis were
> founded as a violent type of "Wizard Defense League", attempting to
> prevent Muggle abuse of wizards by the consistently unsuccessful 
means
> of taking revenge (by killing a few Muggles) for each abuse of a
> wizard. They may have liked the sound of 'purge' and 'pure' in
> 'Walpurgis'.

Martha again:
I like the Defence League idea. I'm fascinated by the whole Walpurgis 
thing, but I can't see any immediate connections with the Death 
Eaters as we know them in canon, so I like the idea that they were 
originally set up as a sort of minority resistance group, and over 
time gained power and influence and all the rest of it (I'd imagine 
partly because Muggles no longer cared about witch-hunting of actual 
witches and got into witch-hunting communists and so on instead). So 
within the world and particularly within Wizarding society, they 
became the elite, and that's how we ended up with Death Eaters. Still 
doesn't explain why that particular name was used, though, other than 
that fact it's a great word (and, as you pointed out, it sounds 
like "purge"). 

~ Martha, who wants to be in a heavy metal band called the Knights of 
Walpurgis (Hello Hogsmeade! We are the Knights of Walpurgis! Are you 
ready to ROCK?")




From tim_regan82 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:39:19 2004
From: tim_regan82 at hotmail.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:39:19 -0000
Subject: Harry #2 twice in Google's Zeitgiest of 2003
Message-ID: <btbsun+mch9@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

Sory if this has been passed on already (I'm falling behind with 
posts) but Harry Potter came in at number 2 in Google's fictional 
character image searches of 2003 (behind simpsons) and number 2 in 
their popular men searches in France (behind eminem).
http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html

Cheers,

Dumbledad





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan  5 17:31:32 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:31:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt7qcv+5itd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3d3b1$c38d5f00$4e60bf44@Einstein>


Iggy here:

I'm just going to reply to this thread as a whole, so I'm not really
going to bother to cut and paste for everything I'll end up addressing.
(Hope I don't offend or misquote anyone... I don't think I will,
though.)  Sorry that I took so long to reply... I just wanted to wait
until others had spoken first.

First off, I don't see anything wrong with reading books that are well
written, "children's literature" or not.  (And yes, I don't qualify the
HP books in any age category.)  Personally, one of my favorite books of
all time, "the Phantom Tollbooth" by Norton Juster, is considered a
kid's book... and it is since it's written with kids in mind.  On the
other hand, you can get a new perspective every time you read it, and I
read it at least once every other year... if not more often.  I even
went so far as to recommend it to my last college class, which was about
learning to learn... (kinda hard to explain... but it's about optimizing
your ability to learn, really.) which is pretty much what PT is about...

Anyone with imagination and a true appreciation for writing can get
something out of any book they read... whether it be "War and Peace,"
the Harry Potter books, or as simple as Dr. Seuss.  At least, that's my
view on the issue.


Second, reading the HP books denotes solid intelligence level, rather
than a deficient one, IMHO.  My IQ level would get me into Mensa if I
took the time (and wanted to pay the dues.), and would be considered
even higher than it is if the tests weren't standardized to allow only
one correct answer.  (Let's face it... I think like my Coyote
namesake...  Intelligent, sometimes too clever for my own good, and
definitely "out of the box" and away from the mainstream.)

The discussions we have on these lists are (usually) intelligent,
analytical, creative, humorous, diverse, insightful, and articulate...
all are signs of a group of people who are very strong in the
intellectual arenas.


Third, it is my opinion that anyone who joins a reading group only to
get people to read the books that they are interested in, shouldn't be a
part of the group.  They don't understand what the purpose of such an
organization, nor do they have the social maturity to be willing to have
an open mind about books and thoughts outside of their usual experience.
As one person said (and I'm paraphrasing here): "They need to be mature
enough and do their homework like an adult, and without whining like a
little baby about it."  They would expect you to read their favorite
books and accept it gracefully, so they need to do the same.  (Besides,
you can always tell them that they should be glad you didn't pick
something like "War and Peace" by Tolstoy, or even worse, "Justine" by
deSade.  *grin*"

Also, you can remind them that you always understood the purpose of the
group to be in exposing the members to books they might not normally
read... or are you all only supposed to read "rotten romance novels" and
talk about how dreamy the brave pirate captain or roguish visiting
nobleman is?  (Is it a reading group?  Or a hen's sewing circle that
only discusses mainstream, self-defined "intellectual elite" culture and
books?  If it's the latter, then you were unfortunate enough to join up
with a group of poseurs...)


Lastly, for anyone who feels that they have the right to judge another's
hobby and tell them that they need to "get a life," needs to look a bit
more closely at themselves and see where they are lacking.  So long as a
hobby remains a healthy one (you know... no stalking Daniel Radcliffe or
wearing nothing but costumes and clothes from the WW and believing that
the only reason you can't do magic is because you're a Squib who was
given up for adoption... despite what your birth certificate says...),
then you have a life. 

Are you able to discuss common interests with people you know from the
lists?  Does being a fan of the HP books help you make friends?  Does
your hobby help to keep you out of trouble?  Do you still spend non-HP
based time with your friends and family?  If you can answer "yes" to all
of these questions, then you *have* a life.  You just also happen to
have a hobby that you are very enthusiastic about...


BTW: Tyler, I love your come back to your sister about the HP books.
*grin*  It sounds a lot like something I'd say to someone in that
situation.

Melanie... Going with Pippin's comment about the mothers being so proud
of their kid's brains because they question whether or not theirs are a
little on the "overripe" side (paraphrasing again here...)... It could
also be that, since they no longer have their children around to have
control over (especially on an intellectual achievement level), they
have sought out another group to try and have control over in the same
way.  People who talk about their kid's accomplishments in a social way
is one thing, those who brag about them in an effort to feel superior is
something else.  (And personally, I have little tolerance for that type
of behavior.  I will still be respectful... so long as they don't try to
roll their high horse right over me... but that type of behavior loses a
lot of respect from me.)

To K...  For the people who state that people who love the HP books and
see them as classics don't appreciate the "true" classics, just ignore
them and remember this:  What determines a classic book is not the
emphasis society places on it, but rather what emphasis *you* place on
it.  There are "Standard Classics" that are considered to be innovative
and well written literature, and then there are the "Personal Classics"
that you will always come back to and enjoy reading.  (For example, "the
Phantom Tollbooth" may not be one of the world's great literary
classics, but I love reading it.  On the other hand, I don't think I've
really ever enjoyed reading anything by Dickens, Hemmingway, or
Steinbeck... all of whom are considered to be authors of "classic
literary masterpieces."  IMHO, Dickens is just too wordy, Hemmingway
doesn't have a good sense of style, and Steinbeck is just too boring...
But as I said, that's IMHO.)

Besides, anyone who says that HP couldn't possibly be a classic or solid
piece of literary work needs to look at some of the other classics that
weren't appreciated until even years after the author's death... Edgar
Allen Poe is a great example of this... 



Well...  I think that's enough from me for now...

Iggy McSnurd









From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  5 20:06:38 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:06:38 -0000
Subject: TROY!!
In-Reply-To: <bt7ple+oc7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btcg4e+m9lc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Boggles:
> > It'll be interesting to see if Orlando gets better lines this 
> time .
> > . . after seeing him in the three LoTR movies and _Pirates of the
> > Caribbean_, I *still* don't know whether I think he can act or 
not.
> > 
> > Laura:
> > 
> > Ah...so many bishounen, so little time!  (Bishounen, for those of 
> > you who aren't anime fans or don't have a teenager in the house, 
> > means "pretty men".)


Anna says:
Wow!!  
I can't believe the timing of this thread!  DH and I finally rented 
PoTC this weekend, and I finally got to watch it last nite.  'Pretty 
men indeed!!"  That's exactly how I felt about Orlando, especially 
during the hanging seen, when he had on the loffly hat and cloak!
So swashbuckling!! **squee** And, of  course, Johnny Depp aint bad 
either.


 
> > If you've seen Orli in interview, you know that he's something of 
> a 
> > ditz (in a cute and loveable way), so for him to pull off 
Legolas, 
> > he must have some acting talent.


OOOO!! He's on Jay Leno tonight; just saw an ad  for it this 
afternoon! Must watch!

Anna . . .(who barely fell off the edge of the couch last nite 
waiting for the *KISS* between Elizabeth and Will!  Ooo! I think I've 
found an new fandom!)




From ambiree at bradley.edu  Mon Jan  5 20:15:11 2004
From: ambiree at bradley.edu (ambiree at bradley.edu)
Date: Mon,  5 Jan 2004 14:15:11 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Tickling Not On?
In-Reply-To: <007101c3d222$abe15c20$07331c40@oemcomputer>
References: <bt6v5q+k5oo@eGroups.com> <007101c3d222$abe15c20$07331c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1073333711.3ff9c5cf976e7@webmail.bradley.edu>

In my house, tickling is considered a form of torture.  And I mean that in a 
not fun way.  My mom would yell at my sister and I if we got too loud when 
horsing around involved tickling.  She got strongly involved when the "tickler" 
was my now-ex-boyfriend.   Perhaps that was because he would tickle my ribs 
hard and I would squirm for a minute then start screaming, telling him to stop 
and he would not stop.  I would start choking because I couldn't breathe until 
my mom would give him "THE LOOK."  This is very important because my mom never 
really approved of him and she HATES tickling.  I, myself, don't hate it until 
it crosses the line.

Raspberries are fun to little kids, not to adults.

And in response to Saitaina--
have no shame in calling your mom,"mommy,"
when I feel like it I do, and a lot of people tease me because if I want 
something they call it the "mommy mode."  My mom and I are close, too, but not 
physically.  My mom is a claustrophobe and I have managed to exacerbate the 
phobia for fun.  My mom doesn't really like kissy-huggy stuff, but I do.  And 
she can't stand when people are "right on top of" her.  So for fun, I stand 
right behind her chair, play with her hair, rub her back, etc.  And if she 
falls asleep on the couch, I lightly run my fingers over her feet.  Guaranteed 
wake up call.  

Oh and to those who mentioned tickling games and tickling feet, I have a funny 
anecdote for you.  My sister who is a smart@** and a tough cookie is really 
squimish about feet, partially because her tickle reflex there.  So that she 
yells if you get close.  Well, I can't let that stand, so all I have to do is 
say something like, "Oh, I wanna touch your feet" and curl my fingers toward 
her feet and she will start screaming and pushing at my hands as her toes curl 
(even if they are in shoes and socks).  she will yell at me to stay "a foot" 
(no pun intended) away and I will get even closer (about a centimeter) and 
say "Hamster foot?"  Then jump back to avoid the kick reflex....but hey that's 
my fam.
-- 
Amber

***"The GWE has Spoken."--The GWE***



From tim_regan82 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  5 22:11:18 2004
From: tim_regan82 at hotmail.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:11:18 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btcne6+kpue@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter Mel wrote:
> I've been in a ladies book group for 5 years


> I chose Azkaban. The whining is deafening.

I think we all empathize with this. And Mel, I think you've chosen 
the right HP book, it's well written, griping from start to finish, 
and has more "Oh my God" moments at the end than any book I've read. 
And, even if they don't enjoy it, it will give them ample fodder for 
intelligent dinner party repartee when the next movie comes out, so 
you are doing them a favor.

But I am nervous about the wholeheartedly pro-Potter tone of our 
responses. It may be that your reading circle is made up of 
insightful and intellectual women who don't like children's fantasy 
books. Let's face it; though we enjoy the books enormously, they are 
not perfect works of art. How have previous book discussions gone? 
Do the other women pose interesting theories about the works under 
review?

You may want to think about the kind of criticism that may arise. 
Here's my guess as to what that might be.

1) Fantasy novels are escapist nonsense.
This one should be easy to counter. Mary Shelly's Frankenstein is 
clearly a great work.

2) Kid's fantasy novels are a waste of time because one gains more 
insight from an adult book.
This one's harder to argue with. You could try the "HP isn't a kid's 
book" which JKR and many people here believe. I don't buy that 
though. Another obvious answer is that good kid's novels give you a 
good read you can share with your kids. I can immerse myself in 
detailed discussions about HP theories with my kids. I cannot do 
that about Tolstoy's War and Peace.

One line of argument you could play with is "why do we read". I 
think that the discussion of books with like minded intelligent 
friends is part of the pleasure of reading. And book club members 
must feel that way. Well, one advantage of popular culture is that 
it is popular! Read JKR and you will never find yourself far from an 
intelligent adult who has read it too and who has an opinion on it. 
That not true of adult writers, A. S. Byatt for example.

3) They are formula books ? if you like them you should try Jackie 
Collins
Again, this will be tricky to counter. Many of us on the list think 
that they are formula books; it's just that we cannot agree what the 
formula is! The orphan boy conquers evil doesn't seem unique, indeed 
no single thread through the books seems unique, but JKR's skill is 
in the way she's combined them to provide a gripping and 
unpredictable fantasy.

4) PoA doesn't deal with deep themes.
Do you read any of the books about HP? The Philip Nell one had neat 
little essay questions which we use to do on the main list and which 
might form the basis for some book club discussion. In any case I'm 
sure the main list (especially if you can work your way around the 
crazy search engine) will give you ample stuff to think on.

5) Even if they are deep themes, the approach is trite.
I think this one's harder to counter than the previous point. Some 
of the adult characters are a bit wooden, and the child characters 
are necessarily childlike. It would be interesting to compare the 
treatment of major themes in the books you have already discussed 
with the treatment in PoA (if any themes overlap).

6) The world isn't well thought out, where are the boundaries?
I struggle with this one. If you look at the magic in other kid's 
fantasy books, for example Pullman's Dark Materials or Ursula 
LeGuin's Earthsea books, magic has clear bounds and a clear cost. 
But it's hard to get a sense of that in the Potterverse. In PoA the 
TimeTurner seems particularly misguided, it would be such a useful 
tool that I cannot see why it's use would be restricted to 
additional studies, spies everywhere would use them. Also making 
things, like sleeping bags. Why buy anything? Then there's wizards 
power; why do they cower in hiding from muggles? Why not just 
enslave us? Any one of these questions has many possible coherent 
answers (they've been discussed on the main list) but there are so 
many such issues that one isn't left with a sense that JKR has 
filled out the details of a logically consistent world.

I'm sure you can think of a dozen more criticisms, so good luck 
arming yourself ready for the discussion. Do let us know what 
happens: if you make any converts or if you hear any novel or well 
thought out criticisms.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.





From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr  Mon Jan  5 23:42:55 2004
From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:55 -0000
Subject: Quidditch through Mexico
Message-ID: <btcspv+figl@eGroups.com>

Hello all,

I have just come back from the most wonderful christmas holidays I have ever had (3 
weeks in Mexico) and wanted to share just a bit of excitement.

I was in this little harbour on the pacific coast (my guide said 10 000 inhabitants), 
exhausted after the 12 hours bus trip through the mountains and waiting at the desk 
of my hotel. I was half-mindedly looking at the books one can borrow while staying 
(usually  books forgotten by former clients) when my eyes fell on Quidditch through 
the Ages. 

So I learnt all about the history of Quidditch while lying on white sand beach and 
looking at sea-turtles. The receptionist said I could keep it but I was not going to 
devoid anyone of the opportunity to rediscover this book in such an unlikely place.

Best wishes,

Olivier




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 13:18:16 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:18:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!
Message-ID: <20040106131817.65325.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>

*puts the finishing touches on the decorations by
suspending glittering confetti in the air and exits
briefly, to return slowly pulling a trolley laden with
three very large cakes*

Three cakes? Well, of course. We have 3 birthdays to
celebrate today and everyone needs their very own
cake.

Today's birthday honourees are Carol, Nick and
Carolyn. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list
or directly to Carol at cjestes at verizon.net and
Carolyn at carolynwhite2 at ameritech.net

I hope you all have special days, filled with laughter
and joy and surrounded by friends.

Happy Birthday, Carol!
Happy Birthday, Nick!
Happy Birthday, Carolyn!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 15:44:56 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:44:56 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!
In-Reply-To: <20040106131817.65325.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <btel5o+950e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:

> Today's birthday honourees are Carol, Nick and
> Carolyn. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list
> or directly to Carol at cjestes at v... and
> Carolyn at carolynwhite2 at a...

> 
> Sheryll the Birthday Elf

Sheryll

Nice thought, and thank you, but its not my birthday, alas ! I think 
the list was tampered with a while back by Ms Thingy and I guess this 
is one of the results. 

But its cheered up my afternoon anyway !
Carolyn




From przepla at ipartner.com.pl  Tue Jan  6 16:33:06 2004
From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:33:06 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about
 Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt8pki+20mg@eGroups.com>
References: <bt8pki+20mg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3FFAE342.5000100@ipartner.com.pl>

On 2004-01-04 11:24, Jennifer Piersol wrote:

>[...] Oh, Melanie, I totally sympathize with you on that one!  I'm also
>a member of a reading group, and right around our conception (I think
>it was our 4th or 5th meeting about 4 years ago), I chose SS as my
>book-of-the-month.  One of the "ladies" in the group, when asked her
>opinions of it, actually said, "Oh.  I didn't read it.  I don't read
>children's books," in this snooty, "I'm grown-up, pity you're not"
>voice.  I was so upset at that!  It was lucky that that introduction
>to HP spawned a couple of other rabid fans... otherwise, I would
>probably have been so disappointed that I would have quit the group.
>  
>
I found very appropriate quote from C. S. Lewis about such behaviour:

When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed 
if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. 
When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of 
childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

Regards,

-- 
Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki
Man is by nature a political animal. (Aristotle, Politics)





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 17:13:20 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:13:20 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <3FFAE342.5000100@ipartner.com.pl>
Message-ID: <bteqbg+n5e3@eGroups.com>


> On 2004-01-04 11:24, Jennifer Piersol wrote:
> 
> >[...] Oh, Melanie, I totally sympathize with you on that one!  I'm also
> >a member of a reading group, and right around our conception (I think
> >it was our 4th or 5th meeting about 4 years ago), I chose SS as my
> >book-of-the-month.  One of the "ladies" in the group, when asked her
> >opinions of it, actually said, "Oh.  I didn't read it.  I don't read
> >children's books," in this snooty, "I'm grown-up, pity you're not"
> >voice.<snip>

Pshemekan:
> I found very appropriate quote from C. S. Lewis about such behaviour:
> 
> When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been
ashamed 
> if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. 
> When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of 
> childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

Annemehr:
Ooooooo!  That quote would go very well on the main list homepage, if
the mods were so inclined and could find room for it!

That reminds me of something else he wrote, though I can't hunt for it
right now.  To paraphrase, he said that any book not worth reading at
[age] fifty would not be worth reading at ten.

Annemehr
who has too many C.S. Lewis books to be leafing through just now




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 02:01:54 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:01:54 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
Message-ID: <btfpai+gmcs@eGroups.com>

Iggy, glad to hear you love The Phantom Tollbooth, a brilliant book 
that should be required reading for people of any age from 9 to 90. 
But you don't enjoy Dickens!!! Oh you poor man, what you are missing!
No one writes like our Charlie, not even JKR.
Do give him another go.
Sylvia (Who belongs to Rochester, Kent branch of the Dickens 
Fellowship, a group of people as friendly and as deeply eccentric as 
the Harry Potter bunch)




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan  7 03:22:14 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:22:14 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <btfpai+gmcs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3d4cd$797e2440$4e60bf44@Einstein>



> Sylvia
> 
> Iggy, glad to hear you love The Phantom Tollbooth, a brilliant book
> that should be required reading for people of any age from 9 to 90.
> But you don't enjoy Dickens!!! Oh you poor man, what you are missing!
> No one writes like our Charlie, not even JKR.
> Do give him another go.

Iggy here:

Personally, I'm more inclined to read Lewis Carrol than Dickens, but
I'll make you a deal:  You give me one, reasonably short, Dickens story
or book to read, and I'll read it (assuming I can get my hands on a
copy.)  In return, I'll select a book or story for you to read.  (You'll
have to send me a short list of authors you don't really like so that I
can see if any of them are ones I might like...)


Iggy McSnurd


The Jabberwocky
- by Lewis Carrol
(transcribed from memory by Iggy McSnurd)

T'was brylig and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gambol in the wabe
All mimsey were the borogroves
And the mom rathes ourgrabe

Beware the Jabberwock, my son
The jaws that bite, the claws that snatch
Beware the Jubjub bird and shun,
The frumious Bandersnatch

He took his vorpal sword in hand
Long his manxome foe he sought
So rested he, by the tumtum tree
And stood a while in thought

And as in uffush thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes aflame
Came whuffling through the tulgy wood
And burbled as it came

One two, one two and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker - snack
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back

And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms my beamish boy!
Oh frabjuous day! Caloo callay!
He chortled in his joy

T'was brylig and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gambol in the wabe
All mimsey were the borogroves
And the mom rathes ourgrabe







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jan  7 03:33:30 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:33:30 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <btfpai+gmcs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btfuma+t88i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000" 
<ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> Iggy, glad to hear you love The Phantom Tollbooth, a brilliant book 
> that should be required reading for people of any age from 9 to 90. 
> But you don't enjoy Dickens!!! Oh you poor man, what you are 
missing!
> No one writes like our Charlie, not even JKR.
> Do give him another go.

Citing Dickens in connection with Rowling reminds us of another proof 
that great literature and popular literature are overlapping rather 
than discrete domains. During Dickens' lifetime, far from being 
a "Standard Classic", he was as wildly and widely popular as JKR is 
now. In the 19th Century, it was a common practice for new novels to 
appear in serial form (i.e., several chapters a month).  The Pickwick 
Papers, his first novel appeared in 1836, and soon made its 23-year-
old author a household name. GK Chesterton later wrote that, "In the 
days when Dickens' work was coming out in serial, people talked as if 
real life were itself the inerlude between one issue of Pickwick and 
another" 

I think any HP fan who had to wait three years for OOP can relate to 
that!

  - CMC




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 12:23:42 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:23:42 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
Message-ID: <btgtoe+lp0m@eGroups.com>

Iggy suggested I should recommend a short Dickens book. Difficult, as 
Dickens doesn't really do short.  The shortest one, apart from the 
unfinished Edwin Drood is probably Hard Times, a book I rather 
dislike myself, so I wont urge it on Iggy.  Apart from that, there is 
always A Christmas Carol, if you haven't already over-dosed on that.
Or you could try reading extracts from the novels such as the Trial 
Scene from Pickwick or the Crummles sections from Nickleby, to see if 
you would like to read the whole book. They are BIG books and not 
particularly easy reading, but the rewards are enormous.
Please recommend any book you think I would either like or hate - 
don't care which, and I promise I'll give it a go.  I'm still trying 
to like Philip Pullman.  I acknowledge the excellence of his writing, 
but simply hate the worlds he has created.  The chapters set in the 
world of the dead plunged me into depression.  If I have to meet 
Death, which I suppose we all will one day, please let him be Terry 
Pratchett's
 version, not Pullmans!
Sylvia




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jan  7 12:58:26 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:58:26 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <btgtoe+lp0m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btgvpi+5no3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000" 
<ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> Iggy suggested I should recommend a short Dickens book. Difficult, 
as 
> Dickens doesn't really do short.  The shortest one, apart from the 
> unfinished Edwin Drood is probably Hard Times, a book I rather 
> dislike myself, so I wont urge it on Iggy.  Apart from that, there 
is 
> always A Christmas Carol, if you haven't already over-dosed on that.
> Or you could try reading extracts from the novels such as the Trial 
> Scene from Pickwick or the Crummles sections from Nickleby, to see 
if 
> you would like to read the whole book. They are BIG books and not 
> particularly easy reading, but the rewards are enormous.

I would recommend David Copperfield to the Dickens newby: despite its 
length, it reads very quickly and contains a number of his greatest 
characters (Mr. Micawber and Uriah Heep, to name only two).

   - CMC




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan  7 21:17:54 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:17:54 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
References: <btgvpi+5no3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001201c3d563$bd8da0c0$a6706751@kathryn>



>
> I would recommend David Copperfield to the Dickens newby: despite its
> length, it reads very quickly and contains a number of his greatest
> characters (Mr. Micawber and Uriah Heep, to name only two).
>
>    - CMC
>
>
Is that the one that made it into the BBC Big Read thing? Anyone? There was
only one work from each author allowed (although apparently the entire Dark
Materials thing counts as one book - haven't read them so I'm not so sure
about that) and I *think* that was the one - which would suggest that
whoever their Dickens enthusiast was he agrees with you. Although their
Potter enthusiast would actually have put me off I think, so it could mean
that it's absolutely the worst Dickens book to start with :) I don't know
what it is about Dickens but while I have read and enjoyed several of them I
always prefer the TV adaptations - there's something about Dickens that
lends itself to drama. The BBC version of Copperfield a couple of years ago
was absolutely excellent.

K





From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 13:19:30 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:19:30 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <001201c3d563$bd8da0c0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <bth112+55nb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> > I would recommend David Copperfield to the Dickens newby: despite 
its
> > length, it reads very quickly and contains a number of his 
greatest
> > characters (Mr. Micawber and Uriah Heep, to name only two).
> >
> >    - CMC
> >
> >
> Is that the one that made it into the BBC Big Read thing? Anyone? 
There was
> only one work from each author allowed (although apparently the 
entire Dark
> Materials thing counts as one book - haven't read them so I'm not 
so sure
> about that) and I *think* that was the one - which would suggest 
that
> whoever their Dickens enthusiast was he agrees with you. Although 
their
> Potter enthusiast would actually have put me off I think, so it 
could mean
> that it's absolutely the worst Dickens book to start with :) I 
don't know
> what it is about Dickens but while I have read and enjoyed several 
of them I
> always prefer the TV adaptations - there's something about Dickens 
that
> lends itself to drama. The BBC version of Copperfield a couple of 
years ago
> was absolutely excellent.
> 
> K

And not only excellent but marked the acting debut of one Daniel 
Radcliffe  in the role of the young David Copperfield.  

June




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan  7 21:25:34 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:25:34 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
References: <bth112+55nb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c3d564$d23c9f20$a6706751@kathryn>



>
> And not only excellent but marked the acting debut of one Daniel
> Radcliffe  in the role of the young David Copperfield.
>
> June
>
*blinks* I didn't know that. I should have done. Maybe I was being too
impressed at how downright *creepy* Nicholas Lyndhurst managed to be. I mean
he's the loveable amusing one, not the icky creepy one usually.

K





From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 18:17:25 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:17:25 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <002201c3d564$d23c9f20$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <bthifl+10nq5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" 
<kcawte at n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> > And not only excellent but marked the acting debut of one Daniel
> > Radcliffe  in the role of the young David Copperfield.
> >
> > June
> >
> *blinks* I didn't know that. I should have done. Maybe I was being 
too
> impressed at how downright *creepy* Nicholas Lyndhurst managed to 
be. I mean
> he's the loveable amusing one, not the icky creepy one usually.
> 
> K

I would never have mentally pencilled Nicholas Lyndhurst in as Uriah 
Heep - before the broadcast - never in a million years.  Yet he was 
brilliant in that role.  Usually they make Uriah older and in fact 
he's quite young.  

My other favourite was a revelatory Trevor Eve as Mr Murdstone.  He 
usually plays very different characters too.

June




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 18:24:59 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:24:59 -0000
Subject: On the Subject of Dickens as Super-Celeb
Message-ID: <bthitr+ss8p@eGroups.com>

Someone earlier on compared Charles Dickens to JKR in terms of their 
popularity at their respective times.  

I was going to reply to this, but have been unable to check my 
facts, can anyone help me?

Dickens did not usually write books as books but rather as serials - 
now this was a guy who could really live with a deadline.  Many of 
his most famous works were initially serialised in periodicals and 
because there was very little in the way of alternative amusement, 
his fans got very excited indeed about the next instalment of his 
works (remind you of anything?).  There is a legendary and maybe 
apocryphal tale about people in the US in the 19th Century 
stampeding the docks as a ship arrived with the latest episode of 
either Little Dorrit or perhaps it was the Old Curiousity Shop, and 
in the stampede, several people got knocked into the water and 
drowned. It may have been in Baltimore, not sure.

I've run a couple of google searches on this, but can't get this 
story -though I am 99% certain it is true in outline if not strictly 
in detail. Probably I'm asking it the wrong thing.  Anyone know 
more?  It certainly beats even people queueing outside the bookshops 
before midnight - though the sale of OOP is probably the nearest 
thing to it.

June




From hermione978 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 18:32:24 2004
From: hermione978 at yahoo.com (hermione978)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:32:24 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Sight To See
Message-ID: <bthjbo+6krh@eGroups.com>

Hello everyone, Im new here. I just thought I would tell you all 
hello and introduce myself.
I would also like to let you know that there is a sight I started 
recently about Harry Portter as a response to those out there 
bashing it and trying to say its evil.  It has response about that, 
plus a Quidditch report, literary symbolism sight and a few other 
things. I will be expanding later on and adding new information as I 
find it out.  Anyone is welcome to visit. The sight is located at:
http://hometown.aol.com/flourishblotts97/index1.html

Thank you.







From hermione978 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 18:45:41 2004
From: hermione978 at yahoo.com (hermione978)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:45:41 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bthk4l+u2l0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002" 
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> I agree, but it is not only adults who are critical or "snobbish" 
about Harry.  It is religious groups as well. As a christian I find 
it disheartening that many seek to find evil in the books and try to 
ban them from schools, libraries and bookstore shelves.  Whatever 
happened to our freedom of speech and press?  Many of them probably 
have never read a Harry Potter book either- their comments and 
inaccuracy about the series is evidence to that. 
I took some research of literary symbolism and biblical symbolism 
concerning Harry Potter into my own hands recently and am amazed at 
the things I have found that can be backed up by the Christian 
beliefs being used to condemn the books in some areas. I don't want 
these people telling me or my future children what they can or can't 
read because of how they feel about it.  What most of the critics 
(or as I refer to them Harry bashers) don't realize is one, the 
fastest way to promote something is to bash it, two Truth is never 
based on fiction, however fiction is often based in truth and 
finally, people that don't like something should be adult enough to 
respect that someone else does and not put it down or be negative 
about it just because they don't or choose not to.  I would'nt lose 
heart in your book group, perhaps you will find a kindred spirit of 
Harry Potter there after all, but if not, then I would re-evaluate 
the lot of them and find those who are more open minded and mature 
about the likes and requests of others feelings and reading. It 
sounds to me like some of them haven't grown up yet.

> 





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan  8 03:44:35 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:44:35 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] On the Subject of Dickens as Super-Celeb
References: <bthitr+ss8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3d599$c0f414c0$a6706751@kathryn>



>
> I've run a couple of google searches on this, but can't get this
> story -though I am 99% certain it is true in outline if not strictly
> in detail. Probably I'm asking it the wrong thing.  Anyone know
> more?  It certainly beats even people queueing outside the bookshops
> before midnight - though the sale of OOP is probably the nearest
> thing to it.
>
> June
>
>
Of course the biggest difference is that Dickens had a bit of a reputation
for stretching things into as many parts as possible to make as much money
as possible whereas JKR is (currently) adamant that there will be 7 books
only - whether the Sherlock Holmes effect leads her to continue the series
is still up for debate. Of course she doesn't need to try and make more
money because she's already got so darn much :)

K





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan  8 03:46:48 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:46:48 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
References: <bthk4l+u2l0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001501c3d59a$0cde21f0$a6706751@kathryn>




> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002"
> <holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> > I agree, but it is not only adults who are critical or "snobbish"
> about Harry.  It is religious groups as well. As a christian I find
> it disheartening that many seek to find evil in the books and try to
> ban them from schools, libraries and bookstore shelves.  Whatever
> happened to our freedom of speech and press?  Many of them probably
> have never read a Harry Potter book either- their comments and
> inaccuracy about the series is evidence to that.

I find the quickest way to deal with these types is to point out that both
the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Vatican have said the books promote
Christian values. If they still don't even pause for thought then they're
not going to listen whatever and should probably be totally ignored.

K





From grannybat at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 21:13:15 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:13:15 -0000
Subject: Is Tickling Not On?
In-Reply-To: <bt4nef+60qt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bthspb+bu25@eGroups.com>

Coming back to this subject after a few rough days at work and home--

Thanks for all the thoughts on tickling. I can't say I have a better 
grasp on the general British attitude toward such antics as practiced 
by teenaged friends, but the personal anecdotes were quite... 
illuminating. ;)
 
I am surprised by how many people view tickling as a form of assault. 
(Tickling as a seduction strategy doesn't make me bat an eye.) Even 
though the ticklers in my family frequently crossed the line from fun 
to physical restraint, I still retained enough of that delicious, 
breathless giddiness to enjoy the memories of that sensation. And I 
grew up in a family prone to violence.
 
Maybe my nerve endings just aren't as reactive as some.

(June, I'm glad I managed to evoke happy memories of your father.)

I could see Harry enjoying a good tickle from the Weasleys. Red-
faced, embarrassed, a little awkward, yes--especially if Ginny and 
Hermione jump into it--but still enjoying a sensation he's never 
known. Or remembers only as a baby.
 
Poor Snape. That man has never been tickled since the day he was born.
 
Grannybat




From eberte at vaeye.com  Wed Jan  7 22:16:35 2004
From: eberte at vaeye.com (ellejir)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:16:35 -0000
Subject: On the Subject of Dickens as Super-Celeb
In-Reply-To: <bthitr+ss8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bti0g3+eu22@eGroups.com>

June wrote:
> Someone earlier on compared Charles Dickens to JKR in terms of
> their popularity at their respective times.  
> 
> I was going to reply to this, but have been unable to check my 
> facts, can anyone help me?
> 
> Dickens did not usually write books as books but rather as serials -
 
> now this was a guy who could really live with a deadline.  Many of 
> his most famous works were initially serialised in periodicals and 
> because there was very little in the way of alternative amusement, 
> his fans got very excited indeed about the next instalment of his 
> works (remind you of anything?).  There is a legendary and maybe 
> apocryphal tale about people in the US in the 19th Century 
> stampeding the docks as a ship arrived with the latest episode of 
> either Little Dorrit or perhaps it was the Old Curiousity Shop, and 
> in the stampede, several people got knocked into the water and 
> drowned. It may have been in Baltimore, not sure.
> 

Hmmmm.  That story is ringing a bell way back somewhere in my memory, 
but wasn't it that the people were calling from the docks up to the 
boats coming in from England: "Is Little Nell dead?"?

Elle (who has no idea who Little Nell was but is sure that there is a 
Dickens-lover and/or English major out there who will enlighten her)




From eberte at vaeye.com  Wed Jan  7 22:38:34 2004
From: eberte at vaeye.com (ellejir)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:38:34 -0000
Subject: On the Subject of Dickens as Super-Celeb
In-Reply-To: <bti0g3+eu22@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bti1pa+fl64@eGroups.com>

> 
> Hmmmm.  That story is ringing a bell way back somewhere in my 
memory, 
> but wasn't it that the people were calling from the docks up to the 
> boats coming in from England: "Is Little Nell dead?"?
> 
> Elle (who has no idea who Little Nell was but is sure that there is 
a 
> Dickens-lover and/or English major out there who will enlighten her)


Whoops!  A ten second search on Amazon.com reveals that Little Nell 
is a character in "The Old Curiosity Shop", just as June said.

Elle again (responding to her own post, pathetic, I know)




From hermione978 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 18:55:26 2004
From: hermione978 at yahoo.com (hermione978)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:55:26 -0000
Subject: Fourth film rumors... and i hope its true
Message-ID: <bthkmu+10110@eGroups.com>

I thought I would pass this on as I found it recently. It is for 
those of you who are into the Harry films as well as the books..
I don't remember the name of the sight I found it on, but it is 
rumored that the fourth Harry Potter film "Goblet of Fire" will be 
filmed in IMAX.  
How awesome would that be to see Harry in 3D on an IMAX screen? I 
don't know how much truth is in this, but I hope it is because that 
would be the ultimate Harry Potter veiwing experience. Hermione





From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 23:37:29 2004
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:37:29 -0000
Subject: Mirabile Dictu! An Actor Who Understands What He's Portraying!
In-Reply-To: <bs7i33+g781@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bti57p+hq5u@eGroups.com>

In post 20673, Pip!Squeak sez:

[huge snip by Sea Change]

Whereas the Western civilisation thinks that 'a good idea is a good
idea, wherever it came from.' And it thinks that you can always
improve things. That's what its history tells it. It really doesn't
understand the mindset of 'we already have a better system, and we
don't need any ideas from any one else.'

[remainder of post snipped by Sea Change]



Sea Change replies:

Er, we really *do* understand societies that think this way. It's very
rare that western civilization is able to come up with a happy way of
co-existing with them, though.

We beat them up or pen them in, or both.  The USofA is still full of
'dependent nations' of our aboriginal peoples.  My experience building
a church on one such reservation demonstrated to me that they still
(with much reason, even today!) hate us.  China was segmented. After
centuries of humiliation from trying to overcome its oppressors with
the tools available to its own culture, it decided that Mao's
communism (a western idea) was preferable to republicanism of Sun Yat
Sen (largely also, a western idea). Japan was intimidated and then
occupied.  All of these peoples had something we wanted economically
intensely, so they got exposed to us first.

Many countries in Middle East actually have a history of secular
western governments imposed on them, especially post WWI.  The need
for oil in such quantities is modern, so this is truly our first
attempt to peacefully deal.





From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 00:31:27 2004
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:31:27 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts-ish school in the US?
In-Reply-To: <p05210602bc129e1fd6ce@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <bti8cv+b7ho@eGroups.com>

I wonder just how good apparition and portkeys are in terms of how far
you could go with them, and how easily and safely they can be
established.  If a portkey can take one clean across the UK, then
there's no reason anyone who had the means to pay for education
wouldn't just portkey their children across the briny.  Similarly, the
states on the east coast are awfully tiny, so there isn't much need
for each state to have one.  Another reason for them to be rarer than
states is that the schools need to be hidden.  The establishment of
new schools would be due to political barriers, more than anything.

There's no particular reason the US should have won the Battle of New
Orleans, and New Orleans has a history of being
traded/conquered/occupied by several foreign powers, including France
and Spain.  Whoever started this particular school of magic probably
wasn't very nationalistic, and one shouldn't expect that now, given
how long wizards tend to live. This is the school where you'd be more
likely to find african-american students.  Probably for many years,
voodoun was repressed in magic schools, just like in mundanity. This
school is probably not in New Orleans proper, but in the Atchafalaya
region, near the Yazoo.  It's not accidental the US Army Corps of
Engineers has invested such a huge amount of money and manpower to
keep the Mississippi from jumping its banks with the Atchafalaya Project.

The huge immigration of and discrimination against the Irish resulted
in Notre Dame and the Mayo clinic, so there's probably a 'Newgrange
Barrow' druidical school near Chicago, perhaps in the isolated
non-contiguous part of Wisconsin.

The Civil War resulted in a mundane blockade of the CSA, and the UK
(sorta) honored it.  I would expect a school on a barrier island
(because they are known to be evanescent) somewhere off South Carolina
and Georgia.   Some pretty severe race and class distinction has been
around this region for years, so this school probably has an unsavory
reputation.  Wizard robes-Grand High Wizard, you decide.

The Navajo and the Sioux are the two continental US tribes who
resisted being conquered the longest.  As far as native schools, I
agree with the Black Hills assessment, and also suppose another near
Shiprock or Sacred Mountain.  These schools are likely underground or
look like huge rock formations.  Many Inuit got a better deal from the
US by being incorporated instead of reserved, so perhaps a third,
arctic one, somewhere near Juneau or Great Slave Lake.

Yellowstone is an obvious place of power and interestingly enough was
the first national park.  Even now, they are trying to get
snowmobilers out of the park, to reduce Muggle presence. This is the
school where I would expect the most Scandinavian/German history, but
predominantly a Mormon influence.

The other early national park, Yosemite, is in California.  It's not
so close to San Francisco, but *is* close to the gold and therefore
it's a good bulwark against Goblins.  This school is probably
something of a fortress and the sheerness of Half-Dome is not
accidental.  It's something of a mystery why San Francisco got its
water from the equally beautiful and similarly close Hetch-Hetchy
system intead of Yosemite.  This 'Ansel Adams' school now has a nice
reservoir nearby to limit neigbors, and unexpected muggle deaths can
be blamed on climbing accidents.  The road by the Merced River still
is known to drop rocks and kill people, and several other access roads
are often snowed in for long periods.  This proximity explains not
only the wierdness in SF, but also the gambling/prostitution in Las
Vegas (consistent with having a garrison nearby). 

The last school is probably the only nationalistic one, started by
FDR, in the Tennessee Valley Project. 







From a_williams1 at pacific.edu  Thu Jan  8 02:34:36 2004
From: a_williams1 at pacific.edu (aeshamali)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:34:36 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
Message-ID: <btifjs+t2ep@eGroups.com>

I found this on IMDB.com... I haven't seen many of his films, so I 
don't know how "strange" of a casting move this is, but I know he 
usually plays goofier characters... right?

Atkinson Becomes 'Potter' Baddie


Rowan Atkinson is trying to overcome the depression caused by the 
critical mauling of his last film by becoming a villain - he's 
playing Lord Voldemort in the new Harry Potter film. The British 48-
year-old star had to check into a rehabilitation clinic in America 
after last year's Johnny English was slammed by critics - even 
though it did relatively good business at the box office. However, 
the rubber-faced funnyman has decided to expand his repertoire by 
signing up for the part of evil Voldemort in the upcoming The Goblet 
Of Fire, which is due for release in 2005. A source comments, "Its a 
very major career change for Rowan. He has been looking to spread 
his wings and branch out into other roles. "He doesn't want to be 
the nice guy or the rubber-faced chap forever." Atkinson's character 
has previously appeared only as a spirit, but is brought by to life 
by "death eaters" in the Goblet Of Fire, which will follow this 
year's third Potter installment, The Prisoner Of Azkaban. 


AW




From strom5150 at charter.net  Thu Jan  8 02:45:55 2004
From: strom5150 at charter.net (Danielle Strom)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:45:55 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btifjs+t2ep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btig93+dqqj@eGroups.com>

I saw this same thing the other day by accident on a "Goblet of Fire" 
movie website (unofficial website, I'm sure). It was reported as a 
rumour from SciFi.com, so I'm not sure of the truth to it.

Personally, I almost had a heart attack.

I have nothing against Atkinson, but if there is any truth to this it 
seems like a serious miscasting, and I care about the casting of this 
part.

Just my thoughts? Anyone else?

Danielle
(Heading off to fetch some smelling salts...)



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "aeshamali" 
<a_williams1 at p...> wrote:
> I found this on IMDB.com... I haven't seen many of his films, so I 
> don't know how "strange" of a casting move this is, but I know he 
> usually plays goofier characters... right?
> 
> Atkinson Becomes 'Potter' Baddie
> 
> 
> Rowan Atkinson is trying to overcome the depression caused by the 
> critical mauling of his last film by becoming a villain - he's 
> playing Lord Voldemort in the new Harry Potter film. The British 48-
> year-old star had to check into a rehabilitation clinic in America 
> after last year's Johnny English was slammed by critics - even 
> though it did relatively good business at the box office. However, 
> the rubber-faced funnyman has decided to expand his repertoire by 
> signing up for the part of evil Voldemort in the upcoming The 
Goblet 
> Of Fire, which is due for release in 2005. A source comments, "Its 
a 
> very major career change for Rowan. He has been looking to spread 
> his wings and branch out into other roles. "He doesn't want to be 
> the nice guy or the rubber-faced chap forever." Atkinson's 
character 
> has previously appeared only as a spirit, but is brought by to life 
> by "death eaters" in the Goblet Of Fire, which will follow this 
> year's third Potter installment, The Prisoner Of Azkaban. 
> 
> 
> AW




From tammy at mauswerks.net  Thu Jan  8 03:04:42 2004
From: tammy at mauswerks.net (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:04:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btig93+dqqj@eGroups.com>
References: <btifjs+t2ep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3FFC827A.10922.253957@localhost>

On 8 Jan 2004 at 2:45, Danielle Strom wrote:

> I saw this same thing the other day by accident on a "Goblet of Fire"
> movie website (unofficial website, I'm sure). It was reported as a
> rumour from SciFi.com, so I'm not sure of the truth to it.
> 
> Personally, I almost had a heart attack.
> 
> I have nothing against Atkinson, but if there is any truth to this it
> seems like a serious miscasting, and I care about the casting of this
> part.
> 
> Just my thoughts? Anyone else?

I've seen Rowan Atkinson doing serious acting (though I can't pull the name of the 
role or the movie out of my addled brain at the moment) and he did a beautiful job.  
I'm sure he'd be up to playing Voldemort.

Especially considering how over-the-top dear Voldy can get . . . 

***
Tammy
tammy at mauswerks.net





From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 04:39:51 2004
From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:39:51 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <3FFC827A.10922.253957@localhost>
Message-ID: <btimun+8r5m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tammy Rizzo" <tammy at m...> 
wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2004 at 2:45, Danielle Strom wrote:
> 
> > I saw this same thing the other day by accident on a "Goblet of 
Fire"
> > movie website (unofficial website, I'm sure). It was reported as 
a
> > rumour from SciFi.com, so I'm not sure of the truth to it.
> > 
> > Personally, I almost had a heart attack.
> > 
> > I have nothing against Atkinson, but if there is any truth to 
this it
> > seems like a serious miscasting, and I care about the casting of 
this
> > part.
> > 
> > Just my thoughts? Anyone else?
> 
> I've seen Rowan Atkinson doing serious acting (though I can't pull 
the name of the 
> role or the movie out of my addled brain at the moment) and he did 
a beautiful job.  
> I'm sure he'd be up to playing Voldemort.
> 
> Especially considering how over-the-top dear Voldy can get . . . 
> 
> ***
> Tammy
> tammy at m...

I would personally prefer someone like Jeremy Irons, who is tall, as 
Voldemort is supposed to be (isn't Atkinson a bit on the short 
side?) and a wonderful actor, especially when he's playing a 
villain.  His Claus von Bulow was a masterpiece, and when he was the 
voice of "Scar" in "The Lion King" he could send shivers up my spine 
without even having to show his face.  

I'm not sure Voldemort is the first villain someone should be 
playing, especially an actor whose main claim to fame is rolling his 
eyes and chewing scenery.  (I've never understood how Atkinson has 
made a living as an actor.)  Let him get his villain chops in some B-
movie horror flick and give us a Voldemort who's really worth 
fearing, instead of jeering.

--Barb

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychic_Serpent
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb

The Triangle Prophecy is complete!





From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 04:58:02 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:58:02 -0000
Subject: Fourth film rumors... and i hope its true
In-Reply-To: <bthkmu+10110@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btio0q+k5ao@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "hermione978" 
<hermione978 at y...> wrote:
> I thought I would pass this on as I found it recently. It is for 
> those of you who are into the Harry films as well as the books..
> I don't remember the name of the sight I found it on, but it is 
> rumored that the fourth Harry Potter film "Goblet of Fire" will be 
> filmed in IMAX.  
> How awesome would that be to see Harry in 3D on an IMAX screen? I 
> don't know how much truth is in this, but I hope it is because that 
> would be the ultimate Harry Potter veiwing experience. Hermione


Um, I do believe you are partly correct; it's PoA that will be filmed 
in IMAX.  The Leaky Cauldron announced it on December 18.  They also 
have a link to the article in 'Coming Soon':

http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/week_2003_12_14.html#003966


I hope this works.

Anna . . .






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jan  8 04:15:49 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:15:49 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btig93+dqqj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3d59e$23b8d290$4e60bf44@Einstein>

Iggy here:

About Atkinson being cast as LV... I think he will actually amaze a
number of people with his potential in the one of the evilest of evil
roles.  Yes, he's funny and "rubber faced", but if you look closely at
his expressions at times in some movies, you can see a hint of his
potential, and I think it's risky, but a interestingly sound casting
call.

I'd also like to point out that there have been a number of other people
who have surprised people with how well they fit into roles that people
said they were unqualified to play...  For example:

Michael Keaton as Batman / Bruce Wayne.  (He is considered to have
defined the role for the movies.)  Also as the sociopath, Carter Hayes
in "Pacific Heights."

Tim Curry as Darkness (in "Legend."  Most people didn't even realize
that it was him until the credits rolled.  Not bad for a "comedic"
actor.)

Robin Williams in "Death to Smoochy", "Insomnia", and "One Hour Photo."
(Most people didn't think Williams could pull off a single "dark" role,
much less three of them very well.)

Mike Meyers as Steve Rubell in "54"  (A pretty edgy role for a man best
known for playing Wayne Campbell.)

Richard Pryor in the tile role of "Jojo Dancer, Your Life is Calling."

John Lithgow in his multiple roles in "Raising Cain."


All are well known for being comedians or comedic actors, often
energetic and off the wall... but all of them did a great job in playing
roles that nobody really thought they could pull off.  They are also
well known for playing nice or good guys... The people I listed are only
a few of a decent sized list of actors that managed to break out of the
type-cast that people put them in and do things that seemed totally
against what people expected of them, and pull it off much better than
*anyone* could have expected.

Don't think too little of the casting choice of Atkinson for the role of
LV... I think he'll surprise us.  Only say he's not right for the role
if you see him in it and he fails.  Until then, I simply advise that we
wait, and hope that he's as good as I think he can be.


Iggy McSnurd







From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 05:46:43 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:46:43 -0000
Subject: Trio at Bafta
Message-ID: <btiqs3+a6m6@eGroups.com>

Just came over from 'Mugglenet' to post this  observation;

Has anyone else noticed that whenever the "TRIO" is pictured, Dan is 
always standing/sitting next to Emma, and Rupert is always next to 
Dan?
Is this a coincidence or what?  
Have a look at some of the pictures posted:

http://www.mugglenet.com/bafta.shtml


Annna . . .(whose doing a lot of linking tonite)




From dradamsapple at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 05:51:47 2004
From: dradamsapple at yahoo.com (dradamsapple)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:51:47 -0000
Subject: Trio at Bafta
In-Reply-To: <btiqs3+a6m6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btir5j+hcc1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dradamsapple" 
<dradamsapple at y...> wrote:
> Just came over from 'Mugglenet' to post this  observation;
> 

And, how come Rupert never wears a tie?  Dan always looks so dapper!!


Anna . . .(who actually used to go to a bar called "Dapper Dan's" 
back in the golden age; I swear I'm not making it up)




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Jan  8 05:49:54 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:49:54 +1100
Subject: Thrilling news - to me at least!
In-Reply-To: <btio0q+k5ao@eGroups.com>
References: <bthkmu+10110@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3FFD8A32.29773.E01F4@localhost>

Everybody who has read the Harry Potter books knows about the ideas 
of Houses at schools - these are a real phenomena - many schools in 
the UK, and in certain Commonwealth countries really have Houses 
like that.

One of my brother's old school has had a house system since it was 
started, but the houses have only ever been known by colour names, 
they've never before got around to giving them other names. They've 
decided to do names as of this year.

We were contacted today by the school asking permission to name one 
of the houses 'Hately' in honour of my late father. We've accepted.



 
Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From heidilist at tandys.org  Thu Jan  8 05:57:53 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:57:53 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <000001c3d59e$23b8d290$4e60bf44@Einstein>
References: <000001c3d59e$23b8d290$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <1073541477.310F9C1B@r5.dngr.org>


On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:07am, Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> Iggy here:
>
> About Atkinson being cast as LV... I think he will actually amaze a
> number of people with his potential in the one of the evilest of evil
> roles.  Yes, he's funny and "rubber faced", but if you look closely at
> his expressions at times in some movies, you can see a hint of his
> potential, and I think it's risky, but a interestingly sound casting
> call.
>
His people have actually said that this isn't the case, though.

And while I think your list is interesting, the difference with Lord 
Thingy is that he's hardly onscreen, whereas everyone you cited had a 
film's length to build the characterisation and make you believe.

Just musing,
Heidi



From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 06:26:12 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:26:12 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btig93+dqqj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btit64+rf04@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Danielle Strom"
<strom5150 at c...> wrote:
> I saw this same thing the other day by accident on a "Goblet of
> Fire" movie website (unofficial website, I'm sure). It was reported 
> as a  rumour from SciFi.com, so I'm not sure of the truth to it.
> 
> Personally, I almost had a heart attack.
> 
> I have nothing against Atkinson, but if there is any truth to this 
> it seems like a serious miscasting, and I care about the casting of 
> this  part.
> 
> Just my thoughts? Anyone else?
> 
> Danielle
> (Heading off to fetch some smelling salts...)
> 


bboy_mn:

Most of us are familiar with Atkinson as his famous wacky character
'Bean'. However, in a relatively long running BBC series, I believe he
played the role of the Black Adder (adder is a snake) in the show by
the same name. 

Black Adder had it's share of humor, but it was more biting and
sarcastic, and more dialog oriented than the 'Bean' series with is
mostly sight gags.

So, I think it might be possible for him to pull it off. However,
that's not how I pictured Voldemort. I picture him more as a slightly
overweight English business gentleman who just happens to look like a
snake and just happen to be horribly evil. 

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

bboy_mn





From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan  8 07:26:02 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:26:02 -0000
Subject: New Regional List for Mountain Time Zone
Message-ID: <btj0ma+fd1t@eGroups.com>

Announcing HPfGU-MountainWest, for Potterphiles who live in the
Mountain West region of North America: Alberta, Arizona, Colorado,
Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming. This new list
will be used to coordinate attendance at movie and book releases as
well as Hogsmeade Weekends.

If you live in the Mountain Time Zone (-0700 GMT), join us!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-mountainwest

--Dicentra spectabilis




From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 08:46:50 2004
From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Cristina_Rebelo_=C2ngelo?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:46:50 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btifjs+t2ep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA0V0yEVLY906TVPQaP+YzycKAAAAQAAAAFsT2y0AmlUSvrcIV1SjxKQEAAAAA@yahoo.com>

aeshamali:
I found this on IMDB.com... I haven't seen many of his films, so I 
don't know how "strange" of a casting move this is, but I know he 
usually plays goofier characters... right?

Atkinson Becomes 'Potter' Baddie

 Cristina:
Actually, it was denied. See The Leaky Cauldron, and HYPERLINK
"http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_3376000/3376933.stm"http://n
ews.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_3376000/3376933.stm
 
I for one think he'd be able to pull it off, even if I'd prefer someone
else... no names though :)
 


 


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From tim_regan82 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  8 10:07:22 2004
From: tim_regan82 at hotmail.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:07:22 -0000
Subject: Where should movie discussions live
Message-ID: <btja4q+krlr@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

I thought that discussions of the movies (GoF in IMAX) or the actors 
(who's playing Volde) were supposed to happen on HPFGU-Movie. 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/
Am I missing something?

Cheers,

Dumbledad.




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 15:49:51 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:49:51 -0000
Subject: On the subject of Dickens as Super-Celeb
Message-ID: <btju6v+s351@eGroups.com>

Little Nell (full name Eleanor Trent) is indeed the heroine of The 
Old Curiosity Shop.  The village where she dies and is buried is 
supposed to be Tong, in Shropshire.  So obsessed were people with the 
book when it first came out that someone actually inscribed her name 
in the burial register of the local church and the verger used to 
make the odd shilling by showing her grave to pilgrims.  I thought 
you would like to have this piece of quite useless information.

Sylvia (a snapper-up of unconsidered trifles)




From strom5150 at charter.net  Thu Jan  8 17:06:48 2004
From: strom5150 at charter.net (Danielle)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:06:48 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btit64+rf04@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btk2n8+10eb0@eGroups.com>

> bboy_mn:
> 
> Most of us are familiar with Atkinson as his famous wacky character
> 'Bean'. However, in a relatively long running BBC series, I believe 
he
> played the role of the Black Adder (adder is a snake) in the show by
> the same name. 
> 
> Black Adder had it's share of humor, but it was more biting and
> sarcastic, and more dialog oriented than the 'Bean' series with is
> mostly sight gags.
> 
> So, I think it might be possible for him to pull it off. However,
> that's not how I pictured Voldemort. I picture him more as a 
slightly
> overweight English business gentleman who just happens to look like 
a
> snake and just happen to be horribly evil. 
> 
> I guess we'll have to wait and see.
> 
> bboy_mn

Well, except that in the books he is always described as "skeletally 
thin" or "thin." But you are allowed to have whatever vision of him 
you like. He's actually quite sexy in my own twisted mind, but that's 
a personal problem, admittedly! <g>

In any event, and in answer to the Atkinson defenders:

I truly hope that if he is the one, that he does a wonderful, amazing 
job and that we the detractors all have to eat our words. I would 
want that for any of the roles, no matter who was cast in them. I 
just want the movie to be good and the integrity of how the 
characters are presented to be maintained.

They've done a great job casting so far, IMHO. I must hope that Iggy 
and others are right, and have faith that it will be fine, with 
Atkinson or whoever.

Danielle
(Who will need to watch Black Adder some more, to appreciate 
the "serious" parts that I missed before.)




From strom5150 at charter.net  Thu Jan  8 17:11:14 2004
From: strom5150 at charter.net (Danielle)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:11:14 -0000
Subject: Where should movie discussions live
In-Reply-To: <btja4q+krlr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btk2vi+trqu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" 
<tim_regan82 at h...> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I thought that discussions of the movies (GoF in IMAX) or the 
actors 
> (who's playing Volde) were supposed to happen on HPFGU-Movie. 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dumbledad.

Well, I think that the LV casting discussion started off with a 
general OT-type observation, and we ran with it here and it became 
more movie specific.

One of the problems with having multiple chat locations!

But, yes, it should probably continue on the Movie list, if it 
continues. No doubt they're already talking about it there, too.

I apologize if my own postings on the topic were placed into the 
wrong forum - I was a bit worked up at the time. :-)

Danielle




From cristina_angelo at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 17:46:27 2004
From: cristina_angelo at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Cristina_Rebelo_=C2ngelo?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:27 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Where should movie discussions live
In-Reply-To: <btja4q+krlr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA0V0yEVLY906TVPQaP+YzycKAAAAQAAAA6mjtFDyFC0evNG9A1CQbhwEAAAAA@yahoo.com>

Dumbledad:
 Hi All,

I thought that discussions of the movies (GoF in IMAX) or the actors 
(who's playing Volde) were supposed to happen on HPFGU-Movie. 
HYPERLINK
"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP
FGU-Movie/
Am I missing something?

 Cristina: Being on the Movie List myself, I had a couple of doubts. But,
hey, why taking the pleasure of discussing who should best portray Lord
Thingy from the people here who don't usually care much about the movies? 
 
(and now this is me ducking under your protests of list pollution...)


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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan  9 01:53:50 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:53:50 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The new Voldemort
References: <btk2n8+10eb0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c3d653$75ecd1f0$a6706751@kathryn>


> Danielle
> (Who will need to watch Black Adder some more, to appreciate
> the "serious" parts that I missed before.)

Try the very last episode of Blackadder goes Forth. I had a class when I was
at school the name of which totally escapes me and was pretty much a totally
pointless and wasted hour, but was aimed at teaching and discussing social
issues etc. We had a class on war. We saw parts of three films or programmes
showing the impact of war. One was the end of All Quiet on the Western Front
(I think - we saw that definitely but whether this scene is from the other
thing we saw I'm not sure) where the camera moves back from one cross to
show a whole field of them, I can't remember the second thing but it was
equally a well known dramatic work, the last thing was the very end of
Blackadder .... Blackadder had the biggest effect.

Anyway I'll wait and see what his acting ability is like away from comic
roles, after all as I said on another thread, who'd have thought that Nick
Lyndhurst could go from playing the most famous plonker in the world <g> to
playing a supremely creepy Uriah Heep? Visually I have to say I think
Atkinson would be perfect for the role.

K





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 18:17:11 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:17:11 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <000001c3d59e$23b8d290$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <btk6r7+623k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd"
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy:
> Don't think too little of the casting choice of Atkinson for the role of
> LV... I think he'll surprise us.  Only say he's not right for the role
> if you see him in it and he fails.  Until then, I simply advise that we
> wait, and hope that he's as good as I think he can be.
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd


bboy_mn:

When we are discussing this, let's not lose track of what Voldemort
looks like in GoF. In the beginning, he is a very small crusty red raw
scabbed hideous 'creature', I picture him as an 8 year old a few weeks
after obtaining severe third degree burns over his entire body. ...nasty.

Also worth noting is that that particular version of Voldemort is
hidden from us right up until the last minute, and then, even in the
book, is only see briefly.

The next image of Voldemort is the white snake/man; skin white,
snake-like face, nose flattened with slits for nostrils, no hair, and
red cat/snake like eyes. 

This will definitely help Atkinson's case, as we won't see the rubber
faced 'Bean'. We will see a 'snakeman', and it is entirely possible
that behind the make-up with only voice and body language to work
with, Atkinson might do a very respectable job. The 'Bean' character
that made Atkinson famous, despite having sound and voice, is really a
modified form of pantomime. The whole essense of the Bean character is
protrayed by facial expression, and body language, and we must not
that we do see Bean express a wide range of emotions very clearly in
this fashion.

I do think that Anthony Hopkins or Jeremy Iron would be much better
for the role. But on the other hand, we are doing some very early
speculation, and I think it's best to wait awhile until the rumor is
confirmed. Let's also note that the person who plays Lupin, is not the
person who plays Lupin in werewolf form. Conceivably, Atkinson may
only play one of the many forms that Voldemort takes.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan  9 02:41:24 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:41:24 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The new Voldemort
References: <btk6r7+623k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c3d65a$14f950b0$a6706751@kathryn>

bboy_mn
The 'Bean' character
> that made Atkinson famous, despite having sound and voice, is really a
> modified form of pantomime. The whole essense of the Bean character is
> protrayed by facial expression, and body language, and we must not
> that we do see Bean express a wide range of emotions very clearly in
> this fashion.
>

K

I think what you meant to say was 'the Bean character that made Atkinson
famous *in America*' - he was plenty famous in the UK well before then and
had been since his appearances on Not the Nine O'Clock News in the late 70s,
then of course came the role as Blackadder which really made him hit the big
time in his own right rather than as part of the ensemble team from Not the
Nine O'Clock News. I really would hate to think people judge him on and
remember him for Bean alone because personally I *hate* Bean. I'm really not
into that kind of slapstick type of comedy. As a comic actor RA has a much
greater range than the purely physical stuff he's become known for more
recently.

Personally I'd have liked to have seen Christopher Lee as Voldemort - but
maybe he needs a bit of a break after the recent burst of activity in
increasing his pension fund with roles in *two* different major film series.

K
*who hopes she doesn't sound bitchy but doesn't like famous being used as a
synonym for known by Americans*





From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 18:52:25 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:52:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Stuff (Atkinson/Voldemort, IMAX, movie discussions)
In-Reply-To: <1073584337.7261.44028.m13@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040108185225.14087.qmail@web60505.mail.yahoo.com>

Many people have posted about the Rowan Atkinson
playing Voldemort rumors.
It's been debunked yet again. I'm clicking my tongue
in disbelief that people on this list don't check out
The Leaky Cauldron more often.
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/
They report that BBC Newsround contacted Atkinson's
management who denied that he would be in GoF.


hermione978" wrote:
...it is rumored that the fourth Harry Potter film
"Goblet of Fire" will be filmed in IMAX.  
How awesome would that be to see Harry in 3D on an
IMAX screen? I don't know how much truth is in this,
but I hope it is because that would be the ultimate
Harry Potter veiwing experience. 

ME:
PoA will be shown at IMAX theatres, that has been
announced. There must be a difference between filming
in IMAX and converting an existing film to that format
(I have heard that transfers can be blurry).
At any rate, I don't think it likely that GoF would be
FILMED in IMAX, it would seriously limit the theatres
it could be released in. 
I don't go to IMAX films, they make me motion sick. So
do films with lots of shaky camera work (I nearly
threw up after watching The Blair Witch Project, and
left in the middle of Dancer in the Dark). For this
reason, I hope GoF isn't filmed in IMAX.


Finally, Dumbledad posted about taking movie
discussions to the movie list. True, that's what it's
for. But, the chatter list is for ALL topics of
discussion. I don't recall discussions of book theory
that pop up here being moved to the main list. Movie
discussion might be better served on the movie list,
but I don't think it should be discouraged or
prevented from occuring here.

Tyler

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From heidilist at tandys.org  Thu Jan  8 18:56:22 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:56:22 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Stuff (Atkinson/Voldemort, IMAX, movie discussions)
In-Reply-To: <20040108185225.14087.qmail@web60505.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040108185225.14087.qmail@web60505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1073588189.302DFBD9@w5.dngr.org>


On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 1:52pm, Tyler Hewitt wrote:
> PoA will be shown at IMAX theatres, that has been
> announced. There must be a difference between filming
> in IMAX and converting an existing film to that format
> (I have heard that transfers can be blurry).


That was a problem before the days of digital transfers. They did a 
digital-transfer for both recent Matrix films and ROTK as well, with no 
problem of blurriness, which is all for the good.

And Tyler, thanks for plugging Leaky cauldron. I'm an editor there, so I 
know this is a bit of a self-toot-of-the-horn, but we really are a great 
site for HP book & movie news, and one of our editors is going to put up 
her set visit report from PoA later this winter :)

Heidi



From grannybat at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  8 19:05:25 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:05:25 -0000
Subject: Another Cultural Question
Message-ID: <btk9ll+vbji@eGroups.com>


Dumbledore's chocolate frog card tells us he '...enjoys chamber music 
and tenpin bowling.' Is tenpin the game that Americans refer to 
as "lawn bowling?" Or is that called "ninepin bowling?" I seem to 
recall lawn bowling referred to as ninepins in some retelling of the 
legend of Rip Van Winkle....

I've been having mental flashes of Dumbledore throwing a large, lurid 
bowling ball down a wooden lane toward a triangle of pins that 
magically scamper out of the way--and a bench of house elves that 
cheers and racks up a new set after every strike. (The saddle shoes 
in mismatched colors that American indoor bowlers wear would appeal 
to Dumbledore's sense of whimsy.) But maybe I'm picturing the wrong 
game. 


Fishing for clues
in the strangest places,
Grannybat





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 19:07:06 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:07:06 -0000
Subject: Kudos & Questions to the Leakey Cauldron
In-Reply-To: <1073588189.302DFBD9@w5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <btk9oq+dtge@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <heidilist at t...>
wrote:
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> And Tyler, thanks for plugging Leaky cauldron. I'm an editor there,
so I 
> know this is a bit of a self-toot-of-the-horn, but we really are a
great 
> site for HP book & movie news, and one of our editors is going to
put up 
> her set visit report from PoA later this winter :)
> 
> Heidi

bboy_mn:

Well, as long as we are 'horn tooting' let me add an additional 'toot'.

JKR herself said quite emphatically that she loves The Leaky Cauldron
website. Now, you simply can't get a better endorsement than THAT!

Question:

How does The Leaky Cauldron website fund itself? You must use TONS of
bandwidth, and given all the data your site contains, I wouldn't call
this a 'pixie' of a website. Even with an extensive staff of
volunteers, none of that comes free.

So... just curious.

bboy_mn





From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Jan  8 19:13:48 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:13:48 -0000
Subject: Lying - a cultural issue?
Message-ID: <btka5c+8uce@eGroups.com>

I watching a programme this week called "Child of our Time" which 
showed 3 year olds learning how to lie. The commentator, a famous 
Doctor presentator, said that this was a really important 
developmental issue as the average adult lies 3 times every day.

Adults were then shown lying to the commentator. He was wearing a 
ridiculous pair of glasses and a false nose, and asking people what 
they thought about them. Comments such as "very nice" of "different" 
abounded. The comment which fell closest to the mark 
was "astonishing" - they were, astonishingly stupid!

My point is that as a society we are *expected* to lie. I'm teaching 
my children to say thank you and make positive comments about 
presents which they don't like as to do otherwise would seem 
impolite.

I recall several threads concerning Harry's lies, with some listees 
implying that lying is almost always wrong, whereas I tend to think 
that "white" lies ie euphemisms, or lies designed to prevent hurt 
have their place and can be beneficial.

Now, I wonder how much of this is due to cultural bias? By way of 
example, children of a friend of mine are being brought up in 
America, and despite their British parentage, are to all intents and 
purposes, American. They are being taught to be much more open about 
what they feel, and much more direct in what they say. In such an 
environment, I can see that white lies would have much less of a 
place than ours and honesty would be more highly regarded.

I'm not trying to argue that the experience of one family shows what 
American culture is, anymore than the way that I'm bringing up my 
kids is necessariliy representative of my culture. But, I do wonder 
if British reserve is in fact based on a lie. Do we do more harm 
than good by saying that we like things when we don't? Are we 
allowing people to live their lives without knowing what others 
really think? Does this matter? Why does the majority of the British 
population eat sprouts at Christmas when hardly anybody likes them - 
is this tradition or politeness gone mad? Do Brits lie more than 
people in other more open cultures?

Ali 




From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jan  8 20:48:28 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:48:28 -0000
Subject: Any idea when next book will be out?
Message-ID: <btkfms+8p33@eGroups.com>

I have been leisurely re-reading Ootp and feeling sad about waiting
once again. Does anyone have any guesses/theories or whatever on when
book 6 maycome out?

I tried searching the archives and didn't find much...seems like
the search feature doesn't work as well as in the past.  It only
searches small seqments of the list rather than the entire database.

thanks

karen




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan  9 05:57:04 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:57:04 -0800
Subject: The Dickens Collection
Message-ID: <001901c3d675$7381f400$a6706751@kathryn>

This is a part work magazine thing they've been advertising on UK TV. Has anyone bought it? Is it worth it? I wouldn't mind the books that come with the magazine but the magazine doesn't sound terribly useful - but that could just be bad advertising. Apparently it explains the story and lets you get to know the characters - which I rather thought was the point of reading the book in the first place. If the magazine is good I might buy them - of not I'll continue looking out for the books in charity shops, where you can usually get them fairly cheap, and at car boots, which I should never go to because individual items may be a bargain but when you have my willpower you end up with boxes full of stuff you don't need but looked cool :)

K
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."

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From hermione978 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 20:24:00 2004
From: hermione978 at yahoo.com (Kelly Penn)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:24:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Cultural Question
In-Reply-To: <btk9ll+vbji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040108202400.95925.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com>

nope, ten pin is just that. A marble ball, a wood floor that is waxed and highly oiled in the lane and a bunch of little white wooden pins that you try to knock over.
You've got the right idea.
 


grannybat84112 <grannybat at hotmail.com> wrote:

Dumbledore's chocolate frog card tells us he '...enjoys chamber music 
and tenpin bowling.' Is tenpin the game that Americans refer to 
as "lawn bowling?" Or is that called "ninepin bowling?" I seem to 
recall lawn bowling referred to as ninepins in some retelling of the 
legend of Rip Van Winkle....

I've been having mental flashes of Dumbledore throwing a large, lurid 
bowling ball down a wooden lane toward a triangle of pins that 
magically scamper out of the way--and a bench of house elves that 
cheers and racks up a new set after every strike. (The saddle shoes 
in mismatched colors that American indoor bowlers wear would appeal 
to Dumbledore's sense of whimsy.) But maybe I'm picturing the wrong 
game. 


Fishing for clues
in the strangest places,
Grannybat




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From heidilist at tandys.org  Thu Jan  8 20:04:39 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:04:39 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Kudos & Questions to the Leakey Cauldron
In-Reply-To: <btk9oq+dtge@eGroups.com>
References: <btk9oq+dtge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1073600542.FB8AF95@w5.dngr.org>


On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 2:07pm, Steve wrote:
> Question:
>
> How does The Leaky Cauldron website fund itself? You must use TONS of
> bandwidth, and given all the data your site contains, I wouldn't call
> this a 'pixie' of a website. Even with an extensive staff of
> volunteers, none of that comes free.
It's all donated by  a hosting company called Mantissa - they're an 
amazing company!



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Jan  8 23:51:07 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:51:07 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btk6r7+623k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btkqdb+hhdk@eGroups.com>

Steve:

> When we are discussing this, let's not lose track of what Voldemort
> looks like in GoF. In the beginning, he is a very small crusty red 
raw
> scabbed hideous 'creature', 

Oh, not Blackadder but *Baldrick*.  Tony Robinson it is, then.

David, who thinks Dumbledad should have raised the question about 
movie discussions on the Feedback list :-P




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jan  9 00:02:03 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 00:02:03 -0000
Subject: Another Cultural Question
In-Reply-To: <btk9ll+vbji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btkr1r+n0en@eGroups.com>

Grannybat wrote:
> 
> Dumbledore's chocolate frog card tells us he '...enjoys chamber 
music 
> and tenpin bowling.' Is tenpin the game that Americans refer to 
> as "lawn bowling?" 

(Image of wooden alley snipped)

> But maybe I'm picturing the wrong 
> game. 

No, I think you are picturing the right game.  I had always thought 
of tenpin bowling as an American import here, though!  You know, as 
played by Fred Flintstone and Homer Simpson.  Is that not with ten 
pins?

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jan  9 00:13:37 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 00:13:37 -0000
Subject: Any idea when next book will be out?
In-Reply-To: <btkfms+8p33@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btkrnh+ekk7@eGroups.com>

karen wrote:
> I have been leisurely re-reading Ootp and feeling sad about waiting
> once again. Does anyone have any guesses/theories or whatever on 
when
> book 6 maycome out?
> 
> I tried searching the archives and didn't find much...seems like
> the search feature doesn't work as well as in the past.  It only
> searches small seqments of the list rather than the entire 
database.

I feel karen deserves some kind of award for this post.  Just 
yesterday I was thinking "It feels like time that people should 
start speculating on the timing (and title) of Book 6.  How odd that 
it hasn't come up on OTC."

I think there should be two schools of thought.

School 1:  JKR said just before OOP release that B6 would be a lot 
shorter (and B7 would be really long, and hard for her to let go).  
So expect a relatively early release, say in time for Christmas this 
year.

School 2: She also said OOP would be a lot shorter than GOF.  Never 
trust the promises of a proven addict.  July 2007 and 1100 pages.

Pessimist that I am, I tend towards the latter opinion.  But at 
least we'll have plenty to read that way.

What will the title be, I wonder?

David




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan  9 08:20:05 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:20:05 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Another Cultural Question
References: <btkr1r+n0en@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c3d689$631a56c0$a6706751@kathryn>

David


>
> No, I think you are picturing the right game.  I had always thought
> of tenpin bowling as an American import here, though!  You know, as
> played by Fred Flintstone and Homer Simpson.  Is that not with ten
> pins?
>

K

You're totally right - and it is an American import afaik, but not a *new*
American import. It's been well enough known since the late seventies that
The Professionals (OK please no comments on my taste in TV programmes, I
have a thing for Martin Shaw, despite the bubble perm) had a whole episode
centring around a bowling alley (although admittedly neither of the
characters knew how to play and were applying a version of darts scoring to
the game <g>) without feeling the need to explain it to the audience. Of
course the writer's opinion of bowling may have been shown by the fact that
there was a nuclear bomb big enough to wipe out most of London being planted
in the bowling alley ;)

K
*who is demonstrating that she can be obsessive and fan girl like about
things other than HP*





From mckosvc at bmts.com  Fri Jan  9 00:50:29 2004
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 00:50:29 -0000
Subject: Thrilling news - to me at least!
In-Reply-To: <3FFD8A32.29773.E01F4@localhost>
Message-ID: <btktsl+9bb1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
 
> We were contacted today by the school asking permission to name 
one 
> of the houses 'Hately' in honour of my late father. We've accepted.

Congratulations! I'm sure your family is very proud of this honour. 
I often used to wonder about where the names of buildings and rooms 
came from at my alma mater. 

MMcK




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 02:05:38 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:05:38 -0000
Subject: Any idea when next book will be out?
In-Reply-To: <btkrnh+ekk7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btl29i+orip@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> I think there should be two schools of thought.
> 
> School 1:  JKR said just before OOP release that B6 would be a lot 
> shorter (and B7 would be really long, and hard for her to let 
go).  
> So expect a relatively early release, say in time for Christmas 
this 
> year.
> 
> School 2: She also said OOP would be a lot shorter than GOF.  
Never 
> trust the promises of a proven addict.  July 2007 and 1100 pages.
> 
> Pessimist that I am, I tend towards the latter opinion.  But at 
> least we'll have plenty to read that way.
> 
> What will the title be, I wonder?


I think the title for Book 6 will be "Harry Potter and the Goblin 
Rebellion". Or "Harry Potter and the Draught of Living Death. 
Maybe, "Harry Potter and the Department of Mysteries" ? Hehe, this 
is fun :).

As for timing of the release, Warner Bros. probably weighs in on 
that decision.  Either they want the book released around the time 
of the movie to augment popularity, or more likely, the book will 
come out a year or so after the movie, just as the mania wanes. So 
my bet is Summer 2005; 656 pages (no reason for the length, the 
number just popped into my head!).

Jen 




From mervin180 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 02:16:57 2004
From: mervin180 at yahoo.com (mervin180)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:16:57 -0000
Subject: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bt76cv+bp3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btl2up+tac9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "holmesclan2002"
<holmesclan2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
>  The best I can tell is that the three most vocal members feel that
it is too 
> pedestrian for their tastes.  All of us are moms with teenagers. Two
of these gals have 
> genius progeny who are ging to Yale and MIT respectively. One
daughter recently aced 
> That's a score of 1600) her SAT test. I think there is a belief that
if these books appeal 
> to the masses, they must be somehow substandard. 

This thread reminded me of a wonderful experience I had in college...

I recently graduated from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. One
of my majors was English, and my 4th year I took a course on "American
Literary Realism."  It was considered an advanced course, and  most of
my classmates were 3rd or 4th year honor students.

We expected to study "great" American authors and to hold deep,
philosophical, intellectual discussions on their works.

The very first piece of literature we were assigned was..."Tarzan of
the Apes," by Edgar Rice Burroughs.

Yes, Tarzan.  King of the Jungle.  The kind of book you take on a long
bus ride, when you want some light reading.  The kind that spawned
many sequels, including, but not limited to "Tarzan the Terrible" and
"Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar."  

We didn't expect to have much to say about Tarzan.  But we found that
not only did we share many intellectual and interesting discussions
about Tarzan, but that Tarzan actually shaped our discussions for the
entire sememster.  No matter what book we were reading, the discussion
always went back to Tarzan.  

At the end of the year, our professor asked us "Of all the works we
read in this class, which is the one you think you will still remember
30 years from now?"  Almost unanimously, we all answered Tarzan.

Undoubtedly, one of the most important lessons I learned in that class
is that a book doesn't need to be considered a "literary great" to
induce intellectual, meaningful ideas and discussions.

- Angela P.




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 03:59:22 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:59:22 -0000
Subject: Any idea when next book will be out?
In-Reply-To: <btl29i+orip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btl8uq+h9ip@eGroups.com>

Jen wrote:
> I think the title for Book 6 will be "Harry Potter and the Goblin 
> Rebellion". Or "Harry Potter and the Draught of Living Death. 
> Maybe, "Harry Potter and the Department of Mysteries" ? Hehe, this 
> is fun :).
> 
> As for timing of the release, Warner Bros. probably weighs in on 
> that decision.  Either they want the book released around the time 
> of the movie to augment popularity, or more likely, the book will 
> come out a year or so after the movie, just as the mania wanes. So 
> my bet is Summer 2005; 656 pages (no reason for the length, the 
> number just popped into my head!).
> 
> Jen

Warner Bros., Schmarner Bros.!  I think JKR *likes* a Summer release, 
and so do I.  I'm already hoping for 2005 myself; she did say the 
writing would get easier now, didn't she?  Yeah, but she also said 
she likes to tweak...

How about "Harry Potter and the Army of Gnomes?"  I'll guess Summer 
2005, optimistically, and 724 pages.

Annemehr
who dreads finishing  book VII




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Jan  9 05:27:30 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:27:30 -0000
Subject: The new Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <btifjs+t2ep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btle42+ne8g@eGroups.com>

Rowan Atkinson as Voldemort? NO! 
But as Mad-Eye Moody (aka Crouch Jr.)? Absolutely! 
Ms. Tattersall

> Rowan Atkinson is trying to overcome the depression caused by the 
> critical mauling of his last film by becoming a villain - he's 
> playing Lord Voldemort in the new Harry Potter film. 




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 07:25:09 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 07:25:09 -0000
Subject: Another Cultural Question -Ten Pin Bowling - A History
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d689$631a56c0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <btll0l+tvvn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...>
wrote:
> David

> >
> > No, I think you are picturing the right game.  I had always thought
> > of tenpin bowling as an American import here, though!  
> >
> 


> K:
> 
> You're totally right - and it is an American import afaik, but not a
> *new* American import. It's been well enough known since the late 
> seventies that
>  
> K

bboy_mn:

I thought you would never ask....

Bowing has been popular with millions of people for thousands of years!

Bowling balls and pins were found in the tomb of an Egyptian king who
died in 5,200 B.C. The ancient Polynesians bowled on lanes that were
60 feet long, the same as today.

Bowling was part of a religious ceremony in fourth century Germany.
Those who could knock down the pins were said to be of good character.
Those who missed had to do penance. Even Martin Luther was a bowler.
British kings Edward II and Richard II banned bowling because they
said people were wasting too much time playing the sport. But Sir
Francis Drake played a game of bowls before he went to war against the
Spanish Armada.

Bowling has been popular in America since Colonial days. The British
imported lawn bowling but German settlers introduced ninepins, the
ancient game that evolved into today's modern tenpin sport.

Because of confusion over playing standards, the top bowlers of the
19th century decided that the sport needed a standard set of rules.
They started the American Bowling Congress in 1895. The Women's
International Bowling Congress was started in 1916. 

Just passing it along.

bboy_mn







From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan  9 08:34:52 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 08:34:52 -0000
Subject: On the subject of Dickens as Super-Celeb
In-Reply-To: <btju6v+s351@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btlp3c+4iea@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000" 
<ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> Little Nell (full name Eleanor Trent) is indeed the heroine of The 
> Old Curiosity Shop.  The village where she dies and is buried is 
> supposed to be Tong, in Shropshire.  So obsessed were people with 
the 
> book when it first came out that someone actually inscribed her 
name 
> in the burial register of the local church and the verger used to 
> make the odd shilling by showing her grave to pilgrims.  I thought 
> you would like to have this piece of quite useless information.
> 
> Sylvia (a snapper-up of unconsidered trifles)

The death of Nell Trent in the Old Curiousity Shop is regarded as one 
of the great "weepy scenes" in Dickens and indeed the whole of 
Victorian literature.

Oscar Wilde said "It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at the 
death of Little Nell" and this quote has been re-hashed more times 
than I care to remember.

June






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jan  9 09:44:37 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:44:37 -0000
Subject: Another Cultural Question -Ten Pin Bowling - A History
In-Reply-To: <btll0l+tvvn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btlt65+pnti@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> They started the American Bowling Congress in 1895. The Women's
> International Bowling Congress was started in 1916. 

That is so beautiful!  You can be an American, or you can be a woman.

It explains a lot.

David




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jan  9 10:48:08 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:48:08 -0000
Subject: The Dickens Collection
Message-ID: <btm0t8+101tu@eGroups.com>

I was wondering about this.  I keep seeing the commercials for it and 
looked it up on the net.  I'll have a look in W.H.Smith at the 
weekend to see if it is worth buying, but I am inclined to agree with 
Kathryn that the accompanying magazine seems to be in the category of 
Dickens for the Slow on the Uptake.  If you are going to read the 
books, why on earth do you need to be told about the plot and 
characters?  The information about Dickens' life and the Victorian 
age can't be crammed in to a few pages.  There are much better 
sources.  I really think you would be better off investing in the 
Oxford Illustrated Dickens at about six pounds or in the paperbacks 
published by Wordsworth at about one pound.

Sylvia (who agrees with June about the Oscar Wilde quote)




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Jan  9 11:47:06 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:47:06 -0000
Subject: Another Cultural Question
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d689$631a56c0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <btm4bq+v9kp@eGroups.com>


> David:

> > No, I think you are picturing the right game.  I had always 
> > thought of tenpin bowling as an American import here, though!  
> > You know, as played by Fred Flintstone and Homer Simpson.  Is 
> > that not with ten pins?
> >
> 
> K: 
> You're totally right - and it is an American import afaik, but not 
> a *new*American import. It's been well enough known since the late 
> seventies <Big snip>

Pip:
Isn't that just like Dumbledore, though? Over 150 years old, and 
still ready to try new things?

BTW, Steve, I think the closest British thing to ten-pin is 
skittles. Don't ask me anything about it; I've played it precisely 
once. But there's an alley, and skittles (same as the pins in ten-
pin), and you chuck a ball at them to try and knock them over. 

It's an old pub game, and like a lot of old pub games, seems to be 
dying out as pubs concentrate on the lucrative under 30's market.  

I actually like ten-pin a lot better ;-)

Pip!Squeak




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 12:37:54 2004
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:37:54 -0000
Subject: Another Cultural Question -Ten Pin Bowling - A History
In-Reply-To: <btll0l+tvvn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btm7b2+596g@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:
>  The British
> imported lawn bowling but German settlers introduced ninepins, the
> ancient game that evolved into today's modern tenpin sport.


So in Sense and Sensibility (the movie, though the book might mention
it too.  I *so* need to reread it. ), the Colonel Brandon and Marianne
were playing nine pin yard bowling instead of ten?  Is this just a
"movie thing" or historically based?  The rich had large enough yards
to do rather sedate sports like roll a small ball at vase like things.
 :)  I always found it kind of cool they were bowling in his front yard.


Melody
flying by on her way to work...




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 16:10:43 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:10:43 -0000
Subject: More Britishisms?
In-Reply-To: <001901c3d675$7381f400$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <btmjq3+ot1b@eGroups.com>

Kathryn mentioned something that caught my eye:
>
> ...I'll continue looking out for the books in charity shops... and 
>at car boots, which I should never go to because ... you end up with 
>boxes full of stuff you don't need but looked cool :)

Car boot...is this the equivalent of what Rita SKeeter referred to as 
a "bring and fly sale?" What Yanks call a swap meet?

Grannybat
just full of questions lately




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat Jan 10 00:50:37 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:50:37 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More Britishisms?
References: <btmjq3+ot1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001501c3d713$c3944350$a6706751@kathryn>





> Kathryn mentioned something that caught my eye:
> >
> > ...I'll continue looking out for the books in charity shops... and
> >at car boots, which I should never go to because ... you end up with
> >boxes full of stuff you don't need but looked cool :)
>
> Car boot...is this the equivalent of what Rita SKeeter referred to as
> a "bring and fly sale?" What Yanks call a swap meet?
>
> Grannybat
> just full of questions lately
>

Uh, possibly? The problem is that I understand your terminology about as
well as you get mine, making it difficult to decide if you're on the right
track.

Car Boot Sale - Event where people turn up to sell stuff (you get
professional dealers at them nowadays as well as 'amateurs') originally out
of the boot (trunk) of a car but generally on tables now (although usually
with the car right parked right behind for restocking the table, keeping
your hot drinks in etc - since they almost always start at a ridiculous hour
in the morning and it's cold a lot of the time). They range from school
events with maybe a dozen participants and mainly parents and such as the
'customers' to regular weekly events covering vast areas of space, full of
crowds of people and the knowledge that amongst those bargains you might
just pick up a faberge jewel for 50p ;) (hey just watch the Antiques
Roadshow to see how often that actually seems to happen - but never to me
unfortunately). Antiques fairs are cool too but too many professional
dealers and less bargains.

K





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Jan  9 16:51:14 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:51:14 -0000
Subject: More Britishisms?
In-Reply-To: <btmjq3+ot1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btmm62+m8th@eGroups.com>


>> Grannybat 
> Car boot...is this the equivalent of what Rita SKeeter referred to 
> as a "bring and fly sale?" What Yanks call a swap meet?
> 

No, 'bring and fly' is a pun on 'bring and buy'. A bring and buy 
sale might be equivalent to a swap meet [I don't actually know what 
a 'swap meet is' ]. It's usually held in a church hall, or other 
public space. The space will be full of trestle tables. You should 
bring something to sell, and also buy something. Generally a 'bring 
and buy' is being held to raised money for charity - you don't keep 
any money from your donated goods. Donations will be arranged in 
advance, very often, and 'who is running the stalls' will usually be 
fought over.



A 'car boot sale' is more of a freelance market. It's held outside. 
You pack everything you want to sell in the boot [trunk] of your 
car, you head off towards the designated 'car boot' site, and you 
pay a site fee of about five or ten pounds, depending. Generally, 
nothing is arranged in advance beyond 'there will be a car boot sale 
at this time on this date'; sites depend on people turning up on the 
day.

Then you'll set out your goods on a trestle table in front of the 
boot of your car. After you've paid the site fee, you keep anything 
you make for yourself.

Usually there are a mixture of professional traders and people 
who've just cleared out the attic, and want to make a few quid.


Pip!Squeak





From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jan  9 18:17:24 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:17:24 -0000
Subject: Any idea when the next book will be out?
Message-ID: <btmr7k+siel@eGroups.com>

snip

I think there should be two schools of thought.

School 1: JKR said just before OOP release that B6 would be a lot
shorter (and B7 would be really long, and hard for her to let go).
So expect a relatively early release, say in time for Christmas this
year.

School 2: She also said OOP would be a lot shorter than GOF. Never
trust the promises of a proven addict. July 2007 and 1100 pages.

Pessimist that I am, I tend towards the latter opinion. But at
least we'll have plenty to read that way.

What will the title be, I wonder?

David

Thanks to your kind words David.  I am so glad someone else is
thinking about this too.  I have been lurking for awhile and just
thought I would post this and see if anyone else was pondering it as
well.

I had forgotten that she had said 6 would be shorter but I hope that
it is at least 600 pages!

snip
s for timing of the release, Warner Bros. probably weighs in on
that decision. Either they want the book released around the time
of the movie to augment popularity, or more likely, the book will
come out a year or so after the movie, just as the mania wanes. So
my bet is Summer 2005; 656 pages (no reason for the length, the
number just popped into my head!).

Jen

I honestly don't think JKR would let WB have that much sway over her,
afterall THEY are far more dependent on her output than vice versa. 
However, it is possible someone may point this out to her yet I doubt
it will be the deciding factor.

snip
How about "Harry Potter and the Army of Gnomes?" I'll guess Summer
2005, optimistically, and 724 pages.

Annemehr
who dreads finishing book VII




I think I am with Annemehr for next summer, one can only hope!

As far as a title, I havent' a clue :)

Thanks everyone!

Karen

who is in mourning today for Sirius...:(




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 19:45:08 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:45:08 -0000
Subject: More Britishisms?
In-Reply-To: <001501c3d713$c3944350$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <btn0c4+sl6l@eGroups.com>

Kathryn replied to me:

> > Car boot...is this the equivalent of what Rita SKeeter referred 
> > to as a "bring and fly sale?" What Yanks call a swap meet?
> >
> > Grannybat
> 
> Uh, possibly? The problem is that I understand your terminology 
> about as well as you get mine, 
> 
> Car Boot Sale - Event where people turn up to sell stuff (you get
> professional dealers at them nowadays as well as 'amateurs') 
> originally out of the boot (trunk) of a car but generally on tables 
> now -  they almost always start at a ridiculous hour in the morning
> .... They range from school events ...
> to regular weekly events covering vast areas of space, full of
> crowds of people 

Yup, that's a swap meet, all right. In the States they're often held 
at defunct drive-in movie lots, or in sports stadiums off season. 
Thanks for that.

Maybe this is how that Muggle woman picked up the magical tea set 
that Arthur had to sort out: The old witch died and her grandkids 
sold off the residue of the estate at the regional car boot. 

Granny





From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 20:09:49 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:09:49 -0000
Subject: More Britishisms?
In-Reply-To: <btmm62+m8th@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btn1qd+pkv6@eGroups.com>

Bluesqueak replied:
> 
> > Car boot...is this the equivalent of what Rita SKeeter referred  
> > to as a "bring and fly sale?" 
> > 
> 
> No, 'bring and fly' is a pun on 'bring and buy'. ...It's usually  
> held in a church hall, or other public space. The space will be 
> full of trestle tables. ...Generally a 'bring 
> and buy' is being held to raised money for charity - you don't keep 
> any money from your donated goods. Donations will be arranged in 
> advance, very often, and 'who is running the stalls' will usually  
> be fought over.

Sounds like what Americans call a charity bazaar or a bake sale: 
Generally held by or on behalf of a local school or church, featuring 
a preponderance of homemade cakes and other goodies, plus a few 
simple gaming activities for young children. Often sells raffle 
tickets for a new TV or a weekend getaway for two donated by some 
local business.

Not the same as a jumble sale, right? I think that's the equivalent 
of the American yard/garage sale. I think.

Now I'm wondering what charitable case would cause Magicals to hold a 
bring & fly. A neighbor who needs an expensive treatment at St. 
Mungo's after a particularly bad spell accident?


Granny





From jmmears at comcast.net  Fri Jan  9 20:19:26 2004
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:19:26 -0000
Subject: Lying - a cultural issue?
In-Reply-To: <btka5c+8uce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btn2ce+btsf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> I watching a programme this week called "Child of our Time" which 
> showed 3 year olds learning how to lie. The commentator, a famous 
> Doctor presentator, said that this was a really important 
> developmental issue as the average adult lies 3 times every day.

<snip>


> I recall several threads concerning Harry's lies, with some 
listees 
> implying that lying is almost always wrong, whereas I tend to 
think 
> that "white" lies ie euphemisms, or lies designed to prevent hurt 
> have their place and can be beneficial.
> 
> Now, I wonder how much of this is due to cultural bias? By way of 
> example, children of a friend of mine are being brought up in 
> America, and despite their British parentage, are to all intents 
and 
> purposes, American. They are being taught to be much more open 
about 
> what they feel, and much more direct in what they say. In such an 
> environment, I can see that white lies would have much less of a 
> place than ours and honesty would be more highly regarded.
> 
> I'm not trying to argue that the experience of one family shows 
what 
> American culture is, anymore than the way that I'm bringing up my 
> kids is necessariliy representative of my culture. But, I do 
wonder 
> if British reserve is in fact based on a lie. Do we do more harm 
> than good by saying that we like things when we don't? Are we 
> allowing people to live their lives without knowing what others 
> really think? Does this matter? Why does the majority of the 
British 
> population eat sprouts at Christmas when hardly anybody likes 
them - 
> is this tradition or politeness gone mad? Do Brits lie more than 
> people in other more open cultures?


This is a very interesting topic, and not one that can be easily 
addressed by any clear-cut differences between British and N. 
American cultures.  Having lived in Britain for a couple of years 
when my children were very young (I'm American, btw), I had lots of 
opportunities to observe the differences in child rearing techniques 
and while there really were many differences, I concluded that most 
of them were a matter of style rather than substance.

Ali wrote:

>My point is that as a society we are *expected* to lie. I'm teaching
>my children to say thank you and make positive comments about
>presents which they don't like as to do otherwise would seem
>impolite.


I think that we Americans like to believe that we value honest, 
direct Yankee (or frontier, if you like) speech, and therefore would 
never, ever want to endorse lying, particularly training children to 
do so.  That said, I personally pounded it into my children that 
they must do their level best to find *something* to sound pleased 
and happy about whatever they receive as gifts.  Of course that 
resulted in my son crowing "Oh boy, now I have TWO of these shirts", 
so the system hasn't been perfected yet <vbg>.

The point is, I think most of us still value sparing other peoples' 
hurt feelings over total (sometimes brutal) honesty.  It's a 
sophisticated concept for young children to master, and there are 
still a fair number of adults who can't seem to manage the nuances 
(although I suspect that there's more than a little latent hostility 
behind their commitment to honesty).  There's also a fine line 
between honesty and rudeness and I'm not charmed by many children 
whose parents glow with pride at their "assertiveness".

I do think that American parents and teachers do encourage children 
here to be more forthcoming about their own opinions on things, and 
that can be startling if you aren't used to it.  Still, the 
difference is probably more superficial than real.  I tend to think 
that most of us are much happier living our lives *without* knowing 
exactly what everyone else thinks of us, and that the people who 
complain about Harry's lies generally have another agenda.

I am absolutely shocked to hear the truth about sprouts in Britain, 
though.  Do you really mean to say that all those people I saw in 
Sainsburys with the 5 pound bags of fresh sprouts are living a lie?
Does the International Red Cross know about this?  This is tragic!

Those poor, poor people....

Jo S., who admits to being the only one in the family who actually 
*likes* cranberry sauce, but still serves two kinds at Thanksgiving





From TonyaMinton at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 21:49:04 2004
From: TonyaMinton at hotmail.com (tonyaminton)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:49:04 -0000
Subject: Lying - a cultural issue?
In-Reply-To: <btn2ce+btsf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btn7kg+f0j5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "serenadust" <jmmears at c...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> > I watching a programme this week called "Child of our Time" which 
> > showed 3 year olds learning how to lie. The commentator, a famous 
> > Doctor presentator, said that this was a really important 
> > developmental issue as the average adult lies 3 times every day.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 
> > I recall several threads concerning Harry's lies, with some 
> listees 
> > implying that lying is almost always wrong, whereas I tend to 
> think 
> > that "white" lies ie euphemisms, or lies designed to prevent hurt 
> > have their place and can be beneficial.
> > 

HUGE SNIP  Sorry great post!!
Now Tonya:

I have to add my two cents to Harry and lying.  I feel that Harry is 
extremely honest and tries very hard to tell the truth.  Look at the 
situation at the Dursleys with the Pudding cake and Dobby.  IF it was 
me and I knew the trouble that pudding and magic was going to cause I 
would have lied and told Dobby I wouldn't go back to school. I have 
tons of respect for Harry for not taking the easy way out.  He got 
that official warning and look how that came back in OOP.  I am sure 
Harry didn't know all the hassel that pudding was going to cause and 
all he had to do was say he wouldn't go back.  Anyway, I have a lot 
to learn!!  I was and have been thinking from this thread and Harry's 
lack of lying that British folks must be better at telling the truth 
then Americans.  BTW, I am an American.

Tonya, Please throw tomatoes, no eggs.  Eggs really hurt when they 
hit!!  :) ducking under the desk!!




From mckosvc at bmts.com  Sat Jan 10 00:20:27 2004
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:20:27 -0000
Subject: More Britishisms?
In-Reply-To: <btn1qd+pkv6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btnggb+uec6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grannybat84112" 
> 
> Sounds like what Americans call a charity bazaar or a bake sale: 
> Generally held by or on behalf of a local school or church, 
featuring 
> a preponderance of homemade cakes and other goodies, plus a few 
> simple gaming activities for young children. Often sells raffle 
> tickets for a new TV or a weekend getaway for two donated by some 
> local business.
> 
> Not the same as a jumble sale, right? I think that's the 
equivalent 
> of the American yard/garage sale. I think.
> 
Granny

OK, now I'm officially confused. As a (North)American, I have never 
heard of a Swap Meet (was that the right term?) A "jumble" IS a 
church or community bazaar. A garage or yard sale I know about. One 
person (or a group of friends or neighbours) sell their "junk" on 
the front yard or in their garage. Now, do you have "flea markets" 
in the UK?

MMcK




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat Jan 10 08:27:51 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:27:51 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Britishisms?
References: <btnggb+uec6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c3d753$a3459690$a6706751@kathryn>

MMcK

>
> OK, now I'm officially confused. As a (North)American, I have never
> heard of a Swap Meet (was that the right term?) A "jumble" IS a
> church or community bazaar. A garage or yard sale I know about. One
> person (or a group of friends or neighbours) sell their "junk" on
> the front yard or in their garage. Now, do you have "flea markets"
> in the UK?
>
K

Yes we have flea markets - and apart from the fact jumble sales are usually
held indoors, car boots outside and flea markets either the terms are pretty
fluid, covering pretty much the same sort of event. Yard sales are pretty
much unheard of though - or at least they are where I live. If you want to
sell your junk you take a stall at one of the aforementioned events.
Unfortunately I tend not to sell so much as *hoarde*, I am absolutely
useless at getting rid of things and can't resist a 'bargain' of any kind.

K





From senorcaco at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 10 03:49:36 2004
From: senorcaco at hotmail.com (enjoiturbulence)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:49:36 -0000
Subject: [Fic Update] By The Sword
Message-ID: <btnsog+d2su@eGroups.com>

So,I'm being a schmuck here, and posting a plug for a piece of fan-
fiction.  My novel-length piece By The Sword has been updated with
the newest chapter. Here is the promo for it:

"Then Jesus said unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place, for
all they that take the sword shall parish by the sword." Matthew
26:52, King James Version. As the Warrior, the Alchemist, and others
converge on Hogwarts, that old proverb might be proven true in a
rather literal sense. A guerrilla war has broken out, the classical
fight between good and evil. Lines blur as drastic steps are taken,
lives are shattered, and it all centers around one boy. Harry Potter
will find himself the focal point between two opposing armies.

Chapter 12: Take Yer Guns To Town: A obsession begins, old friends
meet, a prison break, Harry gets some bad news, and new friends meet.
Check it out at http://www.thedarkarts.org/authorLinks/Chris_D/

Right now, there are only foreshadows of a ship or two, I've always
had the stance that the relationship should be secondary to the
story, but to make all you happy, it'll be R/Hr, which is the only
definate. H/G will only be a friendship, for the time being. Um,
yeah. Check it out and tell me what you guys think.




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 10 06:27:28 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:27:28 -0600
Subject: A supposed Hobbit trailer
Message-ID: <000401c3d742$dbb6a7a0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Hello all.  I just watched something that claims to be the leaked
trailer for the Hobbit movie (that is said, at the end of the trailer,
to be coming out in December of 2006).

A couple of interesting things, though... 

1:  If there's still 2 years to go on the release of the movie, I can't
see them being as far along (or even started) with the special effects
for Smaug yet.

2:  It looks like Orlando Bloom will be playing the King of the Wood
Elves in the Hobbit.  (Apparently, they want him type cast as an Elf...
any Elf...)

3:  I don't remember any scene in the book where you have a man using a
shield to protect himself from a full-on blast of Smaug's breath...
especially when...

4:  The scenes that are supposed to be Smaug and said man using a shield
against his breath are all from the movie Dragonslayer.  (I wonder if
the guy who cobbled the "trailer" together didn't think that enough of
us out there haven't seen the movie at least enough to remember the
major parts... not to mention what Verminus Rex *looked* like.)


All those parts notwithstanding, whoever put the thing together is
actually rather talented as a video editor, so I have to give them kudos
for that at least.


Iggy McSnurd

Ps:  If anyone wants to see it, mail me directly and I'll send it to
you.  (I may wait a day or two and send it to anyone who wants it...)






From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Jan 10 06:58:20 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:58:20 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A supposed Hobbit trailer
References: <000401c3d742$dbb6a7a0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <037901c3d747$2235b1e0$b137d7aa@net>

Iggy wrote:

<2:  It looks like Orlando Bloom will be playing the King of the Wood
Elves in the Hobbit.  (Apparently, they want him type cast as an Elf...
any Elf...)>

Interesting considering Orlando is not making movies anymore after he
finishes his current one.  Or at least not for a while.

This is also odder considering just early last month I heard Peter Jackson
was trying to get the rights to make Hobbit, not that it was in production,
or anywhere near pre-production.





From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 10 08:04:28 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:04:28 -0000
Subject: More Britishisms?
In-Reply-To: <btn0c4+sl6l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btobmc+6oik@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grannybat84112"
<grannybat at h...> wrote:
> Kathryn replied to me:
> 
> > > Car boot...is this the equivalent of what Rita SKeeter referred 
> > > to as a "bring and fly sale?" What Yanks call a swap meet?
> > >
> > > Grannybat
> > 
> > Uh, possibly? The problem is that I understand your terminology 
> > about as well as you get mine, 
> > 
> > Car Boot Sale - Event where people turn up to sell stuff (you get
> > professional dealers at them nowadays as well as 'amateurs') 
> > originally out of the boot (trunk) of a car but generally on tables 
> > now -  they almost always start at a ridiculous hour in the morning
> > .... They range from school events ...
> > to regular weekly events covering vast areas of space, full of
> > crowds of people 
> 
> Yup, that's a swap meet, all right. In the States they're often held 
> at defunct drive-in movie lots, or in sports stadiums off season. 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Maybe this is how that Muggle woman picked up the magical tea set 
> that Arthur had to sort out: The old witch died and her grandkids 
> sold off the residue of the estate at the regional car boot. 
> 
> Granny


Now Alice:

There was actually a part in "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" in which she
sold of some stuff from the attic at the school sale. Needless to say
 they were all magical and caused all sorts of havoc...

Alice




From atalante at poczta.onet.pl  Sat Jan 10 16:55:33 2004
From: atalante at poczta.onet.pl (Melian)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:55:33 -0000
Subject: The Great Potterverse Survey
Message-ID: <btpaq5+rcsa@eGroups.com>

Hey :)

Some time ago I've posted about this survey on the HPfGU main 
messageboard. I wasn't kicked out (luckily:) but was asked to post 
it here, since it's a forum for OT messages. So here you go - the 
original message:

Hey,

This is a group in which many controversial and not-so-controversial
topics concerning the Potterverse have been widely discussed. I
understand that there can be as many opinions as there are members of
this group, but still - a discussion is something that doesn't
usually end up with some generall idea, we rarely get a general
opinion and it's hard to tell whether we are in the majority or not
really there yet :)

After reading loads of posts /not only in this group/ some people got
together and decided to make a kind of a survey, that will give us a
general idea about the most common opinions among HP fans. The first
questions are rather simple and not really original - favourite
characters etc. But the more interesting sections are the 'opinions'
(Do you agree with Dumbledore's reasoning at the end of OoP, did
Harry do the right thing that night at the Shriecking Shack etc.) and
predicitions for books 6 and 7.

If you have a couple of minutes - please have a look. The link you
can find below --

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thpsurvey/

Membership is open. The complete survey was put there today /20.12/.

<snip>

Wishing you all te best,
Mel --
/PortraitOfMrsBlack/
-- and the rest of the HP Survey Crew





From atalante at poczta.onet.pl  Sat Jan 10 17:00:59 2004
From: atalante at poczta.onet.pl (Melian)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:00:59 -0000
Subject: A supposed Hobbit trailer
In-Reply-To: <037901c3d747$2235b1e0$b137d7aa@net>
Message-ID: <btpb4b+p3f2@eGroups.com>

Hey

Well, Iggy, I know what you've seen. This 'trailer' has been going 
in and out of kazaa for like a year and a half at the very least, so 
I don't think it has anything to do with Peter Jackson's plans for 
the future. I've heard that he got the rights to do it, though. 
Well, as for me - he can do anything he likes with 'The Hobbit' as 
long as he doesn't touch 'The Silmarillion'. Hands off, Jackey!

So, yeah, the trailer is a fake :) My version even had the e-mail of 
the guy who made it.

Bye-s
PoMrsB





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 10 18:22:03 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:22:03 -0000
Subject: The Great Potterverse Survey
In-Reply-To: <btpaq5+rcsa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btpfsb+9c47@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melian" <atalante at p...> wrote:
> Hey :)
> 
> Some time ago I've posted about this survey on the HPfGU main 
> messageboard.
<snip>

Yeah, I did the survey after that post.  It was fun, and I'm looking
forward to seeing the final results.  You will post about that here,
won't you, and when might that be?

My only disappointment?  There was no question where I could indicate
my love for Neville.  Harry is my favorite character/favorite
Gryffindor, etc., so I always had to chose him instead.

Looks like your group put a lot of work into the project.  Good luck
with it!

Annemehr





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Jan 10 18:30:16 2004
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:30:16 -0000
Subject: A supposed Hobbit trailer
In-Reply-To: <037901c3d747$2235b1e0$b137d7aa@net>
Message-ID: <btpgbo+6eci@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Saitaina" wrote:
> Iggy wrote:
> 
> > 2:  It looks like Orlando Bloom will be playing the
> > King of the Wood Elves in the Hobbit.  (Apparently,
> > they want him type cast as an Elf... any Elf...)
> 
> Interesting considering Orlando is not making movies
> anymore after he finishes his current one.  Or at
> least not for a while.
> 
> This is also odder considering just early last month
> I heard Peter Jackson was trying to get the rights to
> make Hobbit, not that it was in production, or
> anywhere near pre-production.

If it had been acquired by Peter Jackon/New Line Cinema and entered 
pre-production, we would have heard about it - the announcement would 
have created lots of excitement and commentary in the fandom.  I 
believe Ian McKellen has indicated interest in returning as Gandalf 
for such a movie.  According to AFP, Peter Jackson said in early 
December that he would be interested if New Line Cinema is interested 
and sorts out the issue of production-rights, but that he will be 
busy making King Kong the next couple of years.

That said, it is not strange that they would like Orlando to play 
Thranduil, the king of the elves of Northern Mirkwood, if they are 
going to make a movie out of The Hobbit - Legolas was after all the 
son of same Thranduil.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Jan 10 20:37:43 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:37:43 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where should movie discussions live
References: <btk2vi+trqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012601c3d7b9$99dc9e80$2e361c40@oemcomputer>

Not speaking officially but Movie talk does
take place in both forums, it's just not
allowed on the Main list as that's for the
books.  Though posting on -Movie does get
more response sometimes.

Saitaina
****
Brave and bold they're not.  They ain't the
bravest heroes...but they're the only ones
we've got.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From boggles at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 10 20:41:22 2004
From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:41:22 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A supposed Hobbit trailer
In-Reply-To: <btpgbo+6eci@eGroups.com>
References: <btpgbo+6eci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <p05210600bc26133ae00f@[192.168.1.100]>

At 6:30 PM +0000 1/10/04, pengolodh_sc wrote:
>
>That said, it is not strange that they would like Orlando to play
>Thranduil, the king of the elves of Northern Mirkwood, if they are
>going to make a movie out of The Hobbit - Legolas was after all the
>son of same Thranduil.

Chip off the old block, eh?  But I suppose that's not suprising, 
either - there's an elf who I am pretty sure is played by Bloom in 
the Prologue to the FotR movie, and who I'm also pretty sure is 
supposed to be Legolas's grandfather (Thranduil's father), who died 
in the great age-ending battle.

-- 

  - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon			boggles(at)earthlink.net
"It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the 
act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. "
	- Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808.



From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Jan 10 20:39:41 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:39:41 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A supposed Hobbit trailer
References: <btpgbo+6eci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c3d7b9$e082dca0$2e361c40@oemcomputer>

Christian wrote:

<That said, it is not strange that they would
like Orlando to play
Thranduil, the king of the elves of Northern
Mirkwood, if they are
going to make a movie out of The Hobbit -
Legolas was after all the
son of same Thranduil.>

Not strange that they would like him, but
slightly strange he would accept considering
how much he wants this break.  Though on the
other hand he did adore making Rings and
would probably welcome a chance to do another
film in the same vein and work with Jackson
again.  *shrugs*  You never know what someone
will do until they do it.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing him in yet
another film *smirk*.

Saitaina
****
Brave and bold they're not.  They ain't the
bravest heroes...but they're the only ones
we've got.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 10 22:08:04 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:08:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Abigail!
Message-ID: <20040110220804.38099.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>

*scurries in with the food trolley, flinging confetti
as she goes*

I have a birthday to announce that isn't in our
database. One of our elves is celebrating today.
Please join the party and let's make sure she has a
great day!

Today's birthday honouree is Abigail. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to:
abigailnus at yahoo.com

I hope you're having a magical day, filled with lots
of HP stuff (excluding list duties!)

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

=====
http://www.livejournal.com/community/conventionalley/

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From silverdragon at ezweb.com.au  Sun Jan 11 01:51:34 2004
From: silverdragon at ezweb.com.au (silverdragon at ezweb.com.au)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:51:34 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Thrilling news - to me at least!
References: <bthkmu+10110@eGroups.com> <3FFD8A32.29773.E01F4@localhost>
Message-ID: <00af01c3d7e6$ee8bb8d0$71984cca@Monteith>


----- Original Message ----- > 
> We were contacted today by the school asking permission to name one 
> of the houses 'Hately' in honour of my late father. We've accepted.


Congratulations! What an honour. Your family must be pleased.

Nox



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Jan 11 16:43:49 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:43:49 -0000
Subject: A supposed Hobbit trailer
In-Reply-To: <btpb4b+p3f2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btrug5+88d5@eGroups.com>

PoMrsB (should that be Mrs Thingol?) wrote:
 
> Well, as for me - he can do anything he likes with 'The Hobbit' as 
> long as he doesn't touch 'The Silmarillion'. Hands off, Jackey!

Is that because you think the Silmarillion ought not to be filmed, 
or because you think Jackson is not the person to do it?

For myself, I think the Silmarillion is not very cinematic, but then 
I would have said the same about The Cat in the Hat and The Series 
of Unfortunate Events.

David




From atalante at poczta.onet.pl  Sun Jan 11 17:10:38 2004
From: atalante at poczta.onet.pl (Melian)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:10:38 -0000
Subject: The Great Potterverse Survey
In-Reply-To: <btpfsb+9c47@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bts02e+ao6k@eGroups.com>

Hey :)

> Yeah, I did the survey after that post.  It was fun, and I'm 
looking
> forward to seeing the final results.  You will post about that 
here,
> won't you, and when might that be?
1)Yes, I will post them and also e-mail you if you haven't 
unsubscribed. 2)I don't know yet, since we all think that we still 
have too few votes /we hoped for at least 300:(/ So - if you want to 
find out about the results earlier, tell your friends to vote ;D 


> My only disappointment?  There was no question where I could 
indicate
> my love for Neville.  Harry is my favorite character/favorite
> Gryffindor, etc., so I always had to chose him instead.
Sorry about that. There are loads of things we couldn't put in there 
(it's already too long IMO and we couldn't make it even longer). But 
if it works we might do some more of these... We'll see :)

> 
> Looks like your group put a lot of work into the project.  Good 
luck
> with it!
Thanks so much!:) Yeah, it was a bit of work there but it was fun 
also. I only wish that more people voted :(

Bye-s and thanks once more - 
Mel
/PoMrsB/
[in the name of all the HP Survey Crew]




From cantor at vgernet.net  Sun Jan 11 21:30:40 2004
From: cantor at vgernet.net (cantoramy)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:30:40 -0000
Subject: Book Covers
Message-ID: <btsfa0+td85@eGroups.com>

     Ok.  After almost 7 months, I give up.  I cannot decipher the 
back cover of the regular American edition of OOP and I have some 
questions about the special American edition book cover.  
     
     About the regular edition:
     I know that the trio at the bottom are Moody, Tonks and Lupin 
and that Sirius is to the left above them; now the questions.  Are 
the swirly things supposed to be orbs?  I thought the description of 
the orbs made them like snow-globes, which these things do not 
resemble at all.  And what does the silhouette in the doorway at the 
top-right of the page mean?  On the other side of the doorway the 
image looks like a ribbon of smoke.

     About the special edition:
     My guess is that the rat on the bottom of the back cover is 
Peter, the person in the window at the top of the house is Sirius, 
the shadow in the bottom left window is Kreacher, the 2 Dementors 
that attacked Harry are at the bottom of the front cover (on the 
inside fold).  Are those doxies that decorate the house?  What is 
afire in the grass in front of the house?  Are those Dumbledore's 
glasses hanging from the fence?

     I know this was probably discussed at length before, but try to 
do a search with Yahoo.  Feh!

     Thanks loads in advance!

cantoramy
who is finally (she hopes) out of the hospital and has seen enough 
doctors, thank you very much




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 12 05:45:30 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:45:30 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Covers
References: <btsfa0+td85@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3d8cf$4e7d72e0$a6706751@kathryn>




>      Ok.  After almost 7 months, I give up.  I cannot decipher the
> back cover of the regular American edition of OOP and I have some
> questions about the special American edition book cover.
>
Well being British I haven't seen the covers in question (does anyone have a
link to some pictures?) but cover artists are often given a sketchy
description to work from (which sometimes it seems they completely ignore,
based on some of the cover art for books I've seen anyway <g>) and since the
pics have to be done before publication (obviously) they haven't read the
books so it's a good bet that you'll never be able to work out exactly what
the artist was getting at, but don't get hung up on things not matching
completely with textual descriptions - the artist probably hasn't seen the
descriptions and is having to make it up as s/he goes along.

K





From heidilist at tandys.org  Sun Jan 11 22:06:51 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:06:51 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Covers
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3d8cf$4e7d72e0$a6706751@kathryn>
References: <btsfa0+td85@eGroups.com> <001d01c3d8cf$4e7d72e0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <1073858819.CCC00A6@r5.dngr.org>


On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 4:43pm, Kathryn Cawte wrote a reply to Amy about the 
back of Book 5
And said that cover artists are:

> often given a sketchy
> description to work from (which sometimes it seems they completely 
> ignore,
> based on some of the cover art for books I've seen anyway <g>) and 
> since the
> pics have to be done before publication (obviously) they haven't read 
> the
> books so it's a good bet that you'll never be able to work out exactly 
> what
> the artist was getting at, but don't get hung up on things not matching
> completely with textual descriptions - the artist probably hasn't seen 
> the
> descriptions and is having to make it up as s/he goes along.
>
Not for Mary GrandPre, though. If you go over to the leaky cauldron and 
do a search for her name, you'll find some interviews and q&a sessions 
with her and she mayve done an explanation on the back cover there.

In  a summary of her visit to salt Lake City that Porphyria did here 
back in the fall, she talked about her book-reading process, and how it 
impacted her cover creation.



From foxydoxy1 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 22:16:30 2004
From: foxydoxy1 at yahoo.com (FoxyDoxy)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:16:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Covers
In-Reply-To: <btsfa0+td85@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040111221630.29594.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>

My computer is in cahoots with Yahoomort so I hope this goes through. 

cantoramy <cantor at vgernet.net> Has book cover questions:  
>About the regular edition:
>I know that the trio at the bottom are Moody, Tonks and Lupin 
>and that Sirius is to the left above them; 
 
Doxy:
Right. 
 
cantoramy:
>now the questions.  Are the swirly things supposed to be orbs?
 
Doxy:
I don't think so. I thought the swirly things were smoke carried over from the candles on the front cover. Or else they were added by MGP for no real reason. 
 
cantoramy:
>And what does the silhouette in the doorway at the 
>top-right of the page mean? 
 
Doxy:
I thought that was Harry standing in his bedroom doorway after the Dursleys had gone and the members from the Order had shown up. 
 
cantoramy:
>On the other side of the doorway the image looks like a ribbon >of smoke.

Doxy:

again, I think that's just smoke from the candles. 
cantoramy:
>About the special edition:
<snipped what is known>
>Are those doxies that decorate the house?  
 
Doxy:
Or fairies. I think it's significant that one is headless. There are references to decapitation in the books. 
 
cantoramy:
>What is afire in the grass in front of the house?  
 
Doxy:
I think that's the parchment Moody gives Harry that gives the location of the the Order of the Phoenix headquarters. After Harry memorizes the message Moody sets fire to it with his wand.  
cantoramy:
>Are those Dumbledore's glasses hanging from the fence?

 
Doxy:
I'm not sure about the glasses. 
 
A few months ago I listened Mary GrandPre talk about drawing the HP pictures. She does get to read each book before she does the illistrations. She draws what she feels and still tries to keep it close to the story without giving too much away. She isn't always right though. Remember she also draws Harry as left-handed, and gives Snape a goatee. 
 
I hope that answered some of your questions. 
 
Doxy, always willing to answer questions she doesn't have to think too much about. 
 


 




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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 23:10:08 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:10:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Sylvia!
Message-ID: <20040111231008.60717.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>

*hangs the last streamer, suspends some fairy lights
for good measure and wanders off in search of the
food*

Hey, just because the weekend's almost over doesn't
mean you can leave! We have a birthday party to get
going.

Today's birthday honouree is Sylvia (Forest Nymph).
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to: nuclearpink at yahoo.com

I hope your day has been filled with HP goodness and
much fun.

Happy Birthday, Sylvia!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From cantor at vgernet.net  Mon Jan 12 00:41:56 2004
From: cantor at vgernet.net (cantoramy)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:41:56 -0000
Subject: Book Covers
In-Reply-To: <20040111221630.29594.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <btsqgk+hv04@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, FoxyDoxy <foxydoxy1 at y...> 
wrote:
> My computer is in cahoots with Yahoomort so I hope this goes 
through. 
> cantoramy:
> >What is afire in the grass in front of the house?  
>  
> Doxy:
> I think that's the parchment Moody gives Harry that gives the 
location of the the Order of the Phoenix headquarters. After Harry 
memorizes the message Moody sets fire to it with his wand.  
removed]

I (cantoramy):

I forgot about that!  Thank you!

I wish that Scholastic (or WB) had a web page that decoded these 
covers!

cantoramy, who agrees with FoxyDoxy that nothing should tax one's 
brains




From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Jan 12 12:23:49 2004
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:23:49 -0000
Subject: More Britishisms?
In-Reply-To: <btnggb+uec6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btu3kl+iei2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ovc88guelph" <mckosvc at b...> 
wrote:

grannybat84112: 
> > 
> > Sounds like what Americans call a charity bazaar or a bake sale: 
> > Generally held by or on behalf of a local school or church, 
> featuring 
> > a preponderance of homemade cakes and other goodies, plus a few 
> > simple gaming activities for young children. Often sells raffle 
> > tickets for a new TV or a weekend getaway for two donated by some 
> > local business.
> > 
> > Not the same as a jumble sale, right? I think that's the 
> equivalent 
> > of the American yard/garage sale. I think.


MmcK:
> OK, now I'm officially confused. As a (North)American, I have never 
> heard of a Swap Meet (was that the right term?) A "jumble" IS a 
> church or community bazaar. A garage or yard sale I know about. One 
> person (or a group of friends or neighbours) sell their "junk" on 
> the front yard or in their garage. Now, do you have "flea markets" 
> in the UK?

Geoff:
A jumble sale (which to confuse the issue further is sometimes called 
a rummage sale in the North of England) is the ancestor of the car 
boot probably.

It is usually run by an organisation like a church, the Scouts, 
St.John's Ambulance Brgae etc. as a fundraising activity. they are 
advertised and normally indoors. Unlike boot sales where individuals 
organise themselves, many jumble sales organise themselves so that 
different tables will deal with specified items - women's clothing, 
children's clothes, books, white elephant stall and so on.

It's really quite fun sometimes being English and eccentric....
:-)




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Mon Jan 12 14:32:40 2004
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:32:40 +1100
Subject: Nigel Molesworth reads Harry Potter
Message-ID: <003b01c3d918$f24ef850$275032d2@useriq2qgc104q>

(enter a salad with laughter convulsing among her leaves)

Did someone link to this:

http://www.alice.dryden.co.uk/ho_for_hoggwarts.htm

when people were discussing school series a few weeks back?  If so, have it again.  Can't remember how many of you said they'd read Down with Skool and the others in that series (by Geoffrey Willans and Ronald Searle, IIRC), but for those who have, this is very very amusing.  Very amusing indeed.

I've only just started reading it (read a couple paragraphs and dashed off to send this message!), but from what I've seen so far, it is a fine, fine rendition of the original Willans and Searle style.  Hee!

Tabouli.

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 12 14:54:33 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:54:33 -0600
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
Message-ID: <000001c3d91b$fd6847c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Last night on the chat, we started coming up with "You might be a
redneck wizard..." and WW "Yo Mamma..." jokes.  I've attached what we
came up with so far at the end of this letter.  I'd like if others out
there can send in their contributions for me to add to a master list and
eventually post on the group in its entirety, and archive on the site
itself.

Thanks in advance for your contributions.

Iggy McSnurd



"You Might Be a Redneck Wizard..."


Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if you have a wand rack on your
broom. 

Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your Animagus form is a coon
hound.

bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you wear your pointed hat
backwards

yolandacarroll: you might be a red-neck wizard if your wife is your
first cousin. Oh, wait that just means you're a pure-blood.

Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your house crest has a six pack
of beer, and a fishing rod.

bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you smash your potion cup
against your forehead when you have finished chugging it

Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your school trunk says "Igloo" on
the side and is held closed with duct tape

yolandacarroll: You might be a redneck wizard, if your Mom sweeps the
floor with your Nimbus 2000.

Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your loincloth doubles as your
swimming suit.

bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you have fuzzy dice hanging
below your broom

Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your favorite potion ingredients
are Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Budweiser...

yolandacarroll: You might be a redneck wizard if you try to rope a
centaur.

bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you have a pack of Luckies
rolled in your robe sleeve

Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if you cut the grass in your front
yard, and find 52 broomsticks

Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your favorite spell is "accio
beer" 



"Yo Mamma..." 


sarcasticmuppet: you're momma's so fat she needs two portkeys to get
anywhere

sarcasticmuppet: yo momma's so ugly, a hippogryph bows to HER

Iggy: Your momma's so fat, she needs a bonfire to use the Floo network

sarcasticmuppet: yo momma's so stupid she saw a sign that said
"Quidditch World Cup - Left", so she went home.

megalynn44: yo mama's so fat she flies on a Hoover

Iggy: Yo mamma's so skinny, people keep mistaking her for a Nimbus 2000.

Iggy: Yo mamma's do stupid, even Trolls think she's slow.




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 12 16:15:32 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:15:32 -0000
Subject: Nigel Molesworth reads Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <003b01c3d918$f24ef850$275032d2@useriq2qgc104q>
Message-ID: <btuh74+88gs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> 
wrote:
> (enter a salad with laughter convulsing among her leaves)
> 
> Did someone link to this:
> 
> http://www.alice.dryden.co.uk/ho_for_hoggwarts.htm
> 
> when people were discussing school series a few weeks back?  If so, 
have it again.  Can't remember how many of you said they'd read Down 
with Skool and the others in that series (by Geoffrey Willans and 
Ronald Searle, IIRC), but for those who have, this is very very 
amusing.  Very amusing indeed.
> 
> I've only just started reading it (read a couple paragraphs and 
dashed off to send this message!), but from what I've seen so far, it 
is a fine, fine rendition of the original Willans and Searle style.  
Hee!
> 
> Tabouli.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As a Molesworth fan of decades standing I would say it is about as 
canonically sound (Willans and Searle) as you could get.  

I will have to read it properly later on again, because I nearly 
dislocated my jaw trying not to laugh at the office.

June




From atalante at poczta.onet.pl  Mon Jan 12 16:58:17 2004
From: atalante at poczta.onet.pl (Melian)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:58:17 -0000
Subject: A supposed Hobbit trailer
In-Reply-To: <btrug5+88d5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btujn9+56cn@eGroups.com>

> PoMrsB (should that be Mrs Thingol?) 
As you wish :) Though I'd rather think that Thingol was Mr. Melian 
than Melian was Mrs. Thingol ;)

> Is that because you think the Silmarillion ought not to be filmed, 
> or because you think Jackson is not the person to do it?
He's not the one to do it, definitely. This is not a LOTR group, so 
not to pursue the subject any longer, let's just say that the 
difference between my vision of Middle-Earth and Mr Jackson's is 
rather significant *mutter*Hit him with a big nice bolt of 
lightning, Eru! Just do it!*mutter*


> For myself, I think the Silmarillion is not very cinematic, but 
then 
> I would have said the same about The Cat in the Hat and The Series 
> of Unfortunate Events.
Myabe ut is not, but it's not impossible to film it. IMNSHO, that 
is :) 

Bye-s
PoMrsB




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 19:06:00 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:06:00 -0000
Subject: Britishisms & Bowling
In-Reply-To: <btnggb+uec6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btur6o+k43g@eGroups.com>

MMcK wrote:
> 
> OK, now I'm officially confused. As a (North)American, I have never 
> heard of a Swap Meet.... A garage or yard sale I know about. 

Are you located in the far north, where winters are brutal and 
regular? Every swap meet I've ever attended has been held in an 
outdoor venue; flea markets tend to be indoor affairs. Maybe swap 
meets just aren't common in wet, windy regions.

As for the bowling question--drat. Here I was thinking I had found a 
new clue about Dumbledore's involvement in the Muggle world 
(particularly after Kathryn and Dave said tenpins was an **American** 
import)...only to be shot down by Steve's historical research. Drat, 
drat, drat.

So I suppose a medieval bowling cathedral with house elves as pin 
monkeys may very well be tucked somewhere in Diagon Alley. Oh, well.


Grannybat
Our Lady of
the 7-10 Split





From grannybat at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 19:58:02 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:58:02 -0000
Subject: Book Covers
In-Reply-To: <1073858819.CCC00A6@r5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <btuu8a+b79e@eGroups.com>

Heidi Tandy wrote:
> 
> In a summary of [Mary GrandPre'S] visit to salt Lake City that  
> Porphyria did here back in the fall, she talked about her book-
> reading process, and how it impacted her cover creation.

Point of order: It was Dicentra's summary, message #19803. I don't 
believe Porphyria is located in Utah.

Grannybat





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 13 04:02:20 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:02:20 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Britishisms & Bowling
References: <btur6o+k43g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c3d98a$0bf13fe0$a6706751@kathryn>

Grannybat
>
> As for the bowling question--drat. Here I was thinking I had found a
> new clue about Dumbledore's involvement in the Muggle world
> (particularly after Kathryn and Dave said tenpins was an **American**
> import)...only to be shot down by Steve's historical research. Drat,
> drat, drat.
>
>
K

Actually I still maintain that Ten Pin Bowling is an American import.
*Skittles* has a significant history but skittles is *not* Ten Pin Bowling
it is merely the origin of Bowling. While I don't argue with Ten Pin Bowling
being derived from Skittles I still think it was derived from Skittles by
the *Americans*. i.e. Skittles = British, Skittles is exported to America
where it becomes Ten Pin Bowling, then Ten Pin Bowling is re-imported into
Britain. I do admit that I only skimmed Steve's post so I may have missed
something in his argument that contradicts this - in which case feel free to
throw something at me Steve and tell me to read it more carefully :)

Now I'm not an expert on the rules or origin of either sport but that's my
take on it. Saying Ten Pin Bowling is British because Skittles has a long
history is like saying American Football is British because Rugby is -
although there's probably more Brits willing to claim Bowling than American
Football, since there's something slightly odd about guys who claim to be
macho but feel the need to strap on ten pounds of padding just to play rugby
.... (<eg> yes I know that the padding is as much or more about bulking the
player up to do damage to his opponent as for protection, but it still looks
wimpy to me)

K





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jan 12 21:25:15 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:25:15 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Britishisms & Bowling
In-Reply-To: <002501c3d98a$0bf13fe0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <4003AB6B.4470.1F15520@localhost>

On 12 Jan 2004 at 20:02, Kathryn Cawte wrote:

> Now I'm not an expert on the rules or origin of either sport but that's my
> take on it. Saying Ten Pin Bowling is British because Skittles has a long
> history is like saying American Football is British because Rugby is -
> although there's probably more Brits willing to claim Bowling than American
> Football, since there's something slightly odd about guys who claim to be
> macho but feel the need to strap on ten pounds of padding just to play rugby
> .... (<eg> yes I know that the padding is as much or more about bulking the
> player up to do damage to his opponent as for protection, but it still looks
> wimpy to me)

I played rugby at school. When I was 16, we had an exchange going 
with related schools overseas, so we had some American students 
with us for quite a while, including some apparently very good 
American Football players - they joined our Rugby team as the 
nearest equivalent.

They virtually had to be rebuilt after every game (-8 They were 
*extremely* impressed as to how tough we were, because we could 
play through and be virtually uninjured, while they nearly crippled 
themselves.

It took them quite a while to realise that the reason we weren't in 
absolute agony all the time is because we didn't take the types of 
risks they did - they were so used to their near body armour that 
they played as if they were covered in it, even when they weren't - 
and we didn't explain things to them because they were just so 
useful - opposing teams rapidly came to understand that there were 
three players on our team who were completely and totally insane 
and didn't care how much they hurt themselves to take you down. At 
least that's how they appeared to our opposition.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 12 22:06:37 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:06:37 -0000
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <000001c3d91b$fd6847c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <btv5pd+hikf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> Last night on the chat, we started coming up with "You might be a
> redneck wizard..." and WW "Yo Mamma..." jokes.  I've attached what 
we
> came up with so far at the end of this letter.  I'd like if others 
out
> there can send in their contributions for me to add to a master 
list and
> eventually post on the group in its entirety, and archive on the 
site
> itself.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your contributions.
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> 
>*****\(@@)/*****

I knew I left the chat too soon! And Iggy, I knew you would work 
duct tape in there some how!

Here is mine:

You know you are a redneck wizard when you mend your invisibility 
cloak with duct tape.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/***** 
> 
> "You Might Be a Redneck Wizard..."
> 
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if you have a wand rack on your
> broom. 
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your Animagus form is a coon
> hound.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you wear your pointed hat
> backwards
> 
> yolandacarroll: you might be a red-neck wizard if your wife is your
> first cousin. Oh, wait that just means you're a pure-blood.
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your house crest has a six 
pack
> of beer, and a fishing rod.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you smash your potion cup
> against your forehead when you have finished chugging it
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your school trunk 
says "Igloo" on
> the side and is held closed with duct tape
> 
> yolandacarroll: You might be a redneck wizard, if your Mom sweeps 
the
> floor with your Nimbus 2000.
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your loincloth doubles as 
your
> swimming suit.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you have fuzzy dice 
hanging
> below your broom
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your favorite potion 
ingredients
> are Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Budweiser...
> 
> yolandacarroll: You might be a redneck wizard if you try to rope a
> centaur.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you have a pack of Luckies
> rolled in your robe sleeve
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if you cut the grass in your 
front
> yard, and find 52 broomsticks
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your favorite spell 
is "accio
> beer" 
> 
> 
> 
> "Yo Mamma..." 
> 
> 
> sarcasticmuppet: you're momma's so fat she needs two portkeys to 
get
> anywhere
> 
> sarcasticmuppet: yo momma's so ugly, a hippogryph bows to HER
> 
> Iggy: Your momma's so fat, she needs a bonfire to use the Floo 
network
> 
> sarcasticmuppet: yo momma's so stupid she saw a sign that said
> "Quidditch World Cup - Left", so she went home.
> 
> megalynn44: yo mama's so fat she flies on a Hoover
> 
> Iggy: Yo mamma's so skinny, people keep mistaking her for a Nimbus 
2000.
> 
> Iggy: Yo mamma's do stupid, even Trolls think she's slow.




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 22:30:14 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:30:14 -0000
Subject: Missing Punk Reference?
Message-ID: <btv75m+9835@eGroups.com>

Can someone point me toward the URL that mentions Jo Rowling's 
involvment with the punk rock movement of the '70s and '80s? My 
search of The Leaky Cauldron's catalog of interviews turned up 
nothing, and I *know* I've seen that cite online.

Thanks,
Grannybat




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jan 12 22:39:52 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:39:52 -0800
Subject: US Goverment oddness
References: <btv75m+9835@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c3d95c$ff5cdb40$0a311c40@oemcomputer>

Okay, why is it that you cannot buy hot food
(Fast food, prepared hot food) on a EBT/Food
Stamp account (er, food stamps is goverment
assistance for food products in the US) but
CAN buy a stuffed toy so long as he comes
with a tiny, tiny box of candy?  *shakes
head*  Oh well,at least I have a fun toy!
*hugs V-day Garfield*

Saitaina
****
Brave and bold they're not.  They ain't the
bravest heroes...but they're the only ones
we've got.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 12 22:55:35 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:55:35 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] US Government oddness
In-Reply-To: <00e201c3d95c$ff5cdb40$0a311c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000401c3d95f$309d46c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> From: Saitaina 
> 
> Okay, why is it that you cannot buy hot food
> (Fast food, prepared hot food) on a EBT/Food
> Stamp account (er, food stamps is goverment
> assistance for food products in the US) but
> CAN buy a stuffed toy so long as he comes
> with a tiny, tiny box of candy?  *shakes
> head*  Oh well,at least I have a fun toy!
> *hugs V-day Garfield*

Iggy here:

I can tell you exactly why... having been on food stamps a number of
times myself...

Anything that's "prepared" by someone else (that is, actually assembled
at the time of purchase... such as a burger, a pizza, or even a deli
sandwich) is considered to be a luxury item of sorts.

Candy, since it's assembled in advance (as are TV dinners, frozen pizza,
and *some* pre-made sandwiches) and not assembled for you
specifically... especially at the time of purchase... is allowable as a
necessity item.  

Why can you buy the stuffed animal toy and get away with it since it has
a small thing of candy?  Easy... The toy is part of the packaging.
(Just like a toy surprise that may come with a box of cereal.) They can
reasonably assume that you're buying the candy, and just happening to
get the toy just as easily as you buying the toy and just happening to
get the candy.

Get it?  (It helps, when dealing with the government and its policies,
to take out your brain and set it on the desk next to you as you ponder
why they decide things as they do...)

Iggy McSnurd






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 12 23:17:09 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:17:09 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
Message-ID: <btv9tl+onap@eGroups.com>

Very briefly the topic of the disposition of the Black Family estate
has appeared again.

Could someone who is knowledgable in European inheritance customs
explain 'Entailment' to me?

I do understand that it is a precedent the limit the disposition of
inheritance.

Entail - 2. To limit the inheritance of (property) to a specified
succession of heirs. 3. To bestow or impose on a person or a specified
succession of heirs. 


But I'm not clear whether this is a automatic standard of law, or if
at some point, some ancestory 'entails' the estate, and by that decree
controls the nature of inheritance for all subsequent generations. 

If there are no specific decrees or Wills to control the estate, does
the system of 'Entailment' become automatic, or just the opposite,
there is a other standard method of disposition that can only be
altered if at some point an Entailment was attached to the estate.

So, in general, I just want someone to explain to me how the system of
Entailment comes into the disposition of an estate.

Thanks.

bboy_mn





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jan 12 23:31:26 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:31:26 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <btv9tl+onap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4003C8FE.23626.264DD42@localhost>

On 12 Jan 2004 at 23:17, Steve wrote:

> So, in general, I just want someone to explain to me how the system of
> Entailment comes into the disposition of an estate.

This may answer some of your questions - in far more detail than I 
could:

http://it.uwp.edu/lansdowne/als.html


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From mckosvc at bmts.com  Tue Jan 13 00:45:50 2004
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:45:50 -0000
Subject: Britishisms & Bowling
In-Reply-To: <btur6o+k43g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btvf3u+ukrg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grannybat84112" 
<grannybat at h...> wrote:
> MMcK wrote:
> > 
> > OK, now I'm officially confused. As a (North)American, I have 
never 
> > heard of a Swap Meet.... A garage or yard sale I know about. 
> 
> Are you located in the far north, where winters are brutal and 
> regular? Every swap meet I've ever attended has been held in an 
> outdoor venue; flea markets tend to be indoor affairs. Maybe swap 
> meets just aren't common in wet, windy regions.
> 
> 
> Grannybat

Not exactly the far north. The winters are intermittently brutal and 
irregular. Today is a balmy -9, with a foot of the white stuff on 
the ground, but tomorrow is going to have a high of -23. However, 
summers are lovely and warm. There is hardly a weekend from May to 
Oct. where one couldn't go to a garage sale (or several) if one's 
heart desired. In fact, there is a whole subculture that spend 
entire weekends at garage sales. Most people who have held garage 
sales have horror stories to tell of chasing away people who arrive 
at 6 a.m. even when the sale is advertised to start at 9! This is 
one of the only places where serious bartering is diligently 
practised, and this seems to be one of the attractions to garage 
sale addicts. Probably, this is why I'm not part of the movement. 
The only time I successfully bartered for something was when I 
repeatedly said no to a model I knew I couldn't afford and therefore 
had no intention of buying. The salesman seemed to think I was 
driving a hard bargain, and kept lowering the price until I could 
afford it! I've tried to do that a few times since, but the 
salespeople can smell my weakness from a mile away!
 
MMcK. 




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Jan 13 00:49:05 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:49:05 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <btv9tl+onap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btvfa1+m1m0@eGroups.com>

 
> Steve (Bboy)
> But I'm not clear whether this is a automatic standard of law, or 
> if at some point, some ancestory 'entails' the estate, and by that 
> decree controls the nature of inheritance for all subsequent 
generations. 
> 

It would depend on the wizarding legal system. It used to be 
possible to 'entail' the estate in perpetuity, but that is no longer 
the case. However, that happened after the WW split, so it depends 
on whether they changed it.

I don't think it was ever automatic - entails were mostly set up via 
a will. Sometimes they were associated with a noble title, and were 
set up with the grant of the title.

For example, most people will assume that a noble title in England 
goes in the male line only; but there are one or two titles which 
have rights of female inheritance.


> If there are no specific decrees or Wills to control the estate, 
> does the system of 'Entailment' become automatic, 

Nope. Quite the opposite. If there is no will or existing entail, 
the estate will be divided between surviving heirs. Children, 
brothers/sisters/ parents etc.
<Snip>
> 
> So, in general, I just want someone to explain to me how the 
> system of Entailment comes into the disposition of an estate.

If there *was* an entail on the Black house, it's broken *unless* it 
wasn't male specific. Sirius was the last of the Blacks - there are 
no male heirs left. Draco, as the son of a *female* Black, would not 
be in contention under a normal type of entail (which counts male 
inheritance only).

If it wasn't male specific, I think Mrs Malfoy is likely to be the 
legal heir, as the closest relative not on a wanted poster.

Pip!Squeak




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 01:45:53 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:45:53 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <4003C8FE.23626.264DD42@localhost>
Message-ID: <btvikh+6qlo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2004 at 23:17, Steve wrote:
> 
> > So, in general, I just want someone to explain to me how the system of
> > Entailment comes into the disposition of an estate.
> 
> This may answer some of your questions - in far more detail than I 
> could:
> 
> http://it.uwp.edu/lansdowne/als.html
> 
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately 

bboy_mn:

Thanks Shaun, I'm still confused, but less confused. I REALLY REALLY
would like to see that next book to find out if this issue is even
going to be addressed. Personally, I can't see how it could possibly
be ignored.

Well, that's not completely true. Until it becomes public knowledge
that Sirius is dead, it will not have to be dealt with, but
none-the-less at some point it will have to be dealt with.

As it stands, I have to agree, that by Common Law, it seems that Draco
is the rightful heir. He is the closest male relative on an equal or
lower/younger level on the family tree (appearently, inheritance
rarely moves up the family tree).

But somehow, I have to believe that Harry gets something out of this.

I do beleive that with all that time on his hand, and concern for
Harry, Sirius did take the time to write a Will while at Grimauld
Place. Although, I doubt that he called in his Solicitor to look it
over and make it official. 

Could provide a nice backdrop for on-going conflict between Harry and
Draco.

Thanks for the link.

bboy_mn





From whizbang121 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 04:56:14 2004
From: whizbang121 at yahoo.com (whizbang)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:56:14 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <btvikh+6qlo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <btvtpe+r7fg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- > bboy_mn:
> 
> Thanks Shaun, I'm still confused, but less confused. 
> 
> I have to agree, that by Common Law, it seems that Draco
> is the rightful heir. He is the closest male relative on an equal 
>or lower/younger level on the family tree.
 
> But somehow, I have to believe that Harry gets something out of 
this.
> 
> I do beleive that with all that time on his hand, and concern for
> Harry, Sirius did take the time to write a Will while at Grimauld
> Place. Although, I doubt that he called in his Solicitor to look it
> over and make it official. 
> 
> Could provide a nice backdrop for on-going conflict between Harry 
and Draco.
> bboy_mn

Would common law or even a will hold up before Sirius is cleared?  
And we don't know what other relatives there may be.  Then why would 
inheritance skip Tonks in favor of Draco.  If Tonks had a brother, 
older or younger, she would be skipped.  But as she appears to be an 
only child, she would inherit through her mother before it goes to 
Narcissa.  
Is Andromeda dead?





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Jan 13 09:10:25 2004
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:10:25 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <btv9tl+onap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu0cm1+ffm5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
> Very briefly the topic of the disposition of the Black
> Family estate has appeared again.
> 
> Could someone who is knowledgable in European inheritance
> customs explain 'Entailment' to me?
[snip]

You will want to look at:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ajhalluk/48555.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ajhalluk/48963.html

The person who made these is a British lawyer, and it seems she knows 
a fair bit about the material.  The two LJ-posts contain her views on 
wizarding inheritance laws and entailments.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From sydenmill at msn.com  Tue Jan 13 15:19:27 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:19:27 -0000
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <btv5pd+hikf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu129v+ad4l@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
> <CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > Iggy here:
> > 
> > Last night on the chat, we started coming up with "You might be a
> > redneck wizard..." and WW "Yo Mamma..." jokes.  I've attached 
what 
> we
> > came up with so far at the end of this letter.  I'd like if 
others 
> out
> > there can send in their contributions for me to add to a master 
> list and
> > eventually post on the group in its entirety, and archive on the 
> site
> > itself.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your contributions.
> > 
> > Iggy McSnurd


>From bohcoo:
You might be a redneck wizard if all of your robes are plaid.

(Do I seem just a little TOO familiar with this redneck theme?)

Grins,Bohcoo







From neonsister at ameritech.net  Tue Jan 13 15:21:57 2004
From: neonsister at ameritech.net (neonsister at ameritech.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:21:57 -0000
Subject: US Government oddness
In-Reply-To: <000401c3d95f$309d46c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu12el+j7h1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
 
 "Anything that's "prepared" by someone else (that is, actually 
assembled
> at the time of purchase... such as a burger, a pizza, or even a deli
> sandwich) is considered to be a luxury item of sorts."

Don't you just love government oddness?  When I used to work in rehab 
I found it odd that Medicare wouldn't pay for a bathtub seat (for 
someone who couldn't stand up in the tub/shower - for example, a 
stroke victim or a person who'd just had a hip replacement) because 
it was considered a "luxury item".  Apparently being clean is a 
luxury!

Tracy
PS - I loved the redneck wizard post!  Classic!





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 15:47:12 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:47:12 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <btvtpe+r7fg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu13u0+k793@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "whizbang" <whizbang121 at y...>
wrote:

> Is Andromeda dead?

I really think she's alive.  She speaks of her in the present tense in
"The Advance Guard," while she's helping Harry pack.

Annemehr





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Jan 13 16:13:22 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:13:22 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bu129v+ad4l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3d9f0$2a720600$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> 
> From bohcoo:
> You might be a redneck wizard if all of your robes are plaid.
> 
> (Do I seem just a little TOO familiar with this redneck theme?)
> 
> Grins,Bohcoo
> 

Iggy here:

Mind if I add the world "flannel" in there?  (After all, if they're
plaid, you could also be a fanatical Scot.  Just look at some of the
things we've seen McGonagall wear.)

And for the redneck thing...  I'm half Italian and half Southern... I'm
also a big fan of both Jeff Foxworthy and Bill Engvall.  Trust me, you
don't seem too familiar with it to me.

Iggy McSnurd

(Who's grandmother CAN properly execute the sleeper hold...

Who has as many cars in his yard that don't run as do...

Who has spent a morning running around to herd in cows that escaped into
the trailer park/apartment complex where he lives...

Who has accidentally shot HIMSELF in the arm with a bow and arrow...

Who has been known, on occasion, to clean his ears with his car keys...

Who HAS used his underwear as a bathing suit...

And who has actually had to yell out "somebody go jiggle the handle!")







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jan 13 16:22:13 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:22:13 -0000
Subject: Nigel Molesworth reads Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <btuh74+88gs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu15vl+r5uv@eGroups.com>

Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> 
> > Did someone link to this:
> > 
> > http://www.alice.dryden.co.uk/ho_for_hoggwarts.htm

> > from what I've seen so far, it 
> is a fine, fine rendition of the original Willans and Searle style.
  
June:

> As a Molesworth fan of decades standing I would say it is about as 
> canonically sound (Willans and Searle) as you could get.  

and inspired.

David




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 19:05:12 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:05:12 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <bu13u0+k793@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu1fh8+l9mv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "whizbang" <whizbang121 at y...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Is Andromeda dead?
> 
> I really think she's alive.  She speaks of her in the present tense in
> "The Advance Guard," while she's helping Harry pack.
> 
> Annemehr

TONKS does, I mean.  Tonks speaks of Andromeda in the present tense.

Yeesh.

Annemehr
mutilator of the English language




From hermione978 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 16:22:08 2004
From: hermione978 at yahoo.com (hermione978)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:22:08 -0000
Subject: HAGRIDS HUT
Message-ID: <bu15vg+v8lu@eGroups.com>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hagridshut

this is the address to another adult Harry Potter sight. It is for 
those adults 18 and older who want a more focused discussion of the 
books and series with acutal proof and logical discussion.
Rumor free, off topic free and all Harry. It is newly forming, so 
please stop by and join in. 

There is also another Harry Potter sight which is started that takes 
a look at Christianity and Harry Potter.  The sight is available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/flourishblotts97/index1.html

Feel free to stop by either, I just wanted to let everyone know 
about them. Thanks!
Hermione





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jan 13 21:10:07 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:10:07 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <btvikh+6qlo@eGroups.com>
References: <4003C8FE.23626.264DD42@localhost>
Message-ID: <4004F95F.12754.1EEA8D7@localhost>

On 13 Jan 2004 at 1:45, Steve wrote:

> bboy_mn:
> 
> Thanks Shaun, I'm still confused, but less confused. I REALLY REALLY
> would like to see that next book to find out if this issue is even
> going to be addressed. Personally, I can't see how it could possibly
> be ignored.

It's not a bad essay - although I kept, for some reasons, having 
flashes about Lord Lucan while reading it (maybe the references to 
gambling away an inheritance, and that lead last night to me 
dreaming about Lord Lucan as a wizard tied up with Voldemort... I 
need help!)
 
> I do beleive that with all that time on his hand, and concern for
> Harry, Sirius did take the time to write a Will while at Grimauld
> Place. Although, I doubt that he called in his Solicitor to look it
> over and make it official. 

I would assume Sirius has a will as well - I'm pretty much certain 
he'd have anticipated the possibility of his death, and his 
responsibility to Harry.

There's no requirement for him to see a Solicitor at all - his will 
is official from the moment it's written down and witnessed by 
someone (it's a good idea to get a Solicitor involved unless a will 
is *very* straightforward (ie, "I leave everything to one person") 
but there's absolutely no requirement to in the UK.
 
> Could provide a nice backdrop for on-going conflict between Harry and
> Draco.

Yes, I can certainly see somebody being upset.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 13 21:32:52 2004
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (Martha)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:32:52 -0000
Subject: US Government oddness/British same
In-Reply-To: <bu12el+j7h1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu1o64+lsat@eGroups.com>

Iggy (I think it was Iggy... apologies if it wasn't)

>  "Anything that's "prepared" by someone else (that is, actually 
> assembled
> > at the time of purchase... such as a burger, a pizza, or even a 
deli
> > sandwich) is considered to be a luxury item of sorts."

Tracy:

> Don't you just love government oddness?  When I used to work in 
rehab 
> I found it odd that Medicare wouldn't pay for a bathtub seat (for 
> someone who couldn't stand up in the tub/shower - for example, a 
> stroke victim or a person who'd just had a hip replacement) because 
> it was considered a "luxury item".  Apparently being clean is a 
> luxury!

Now Martha:

This reminds me of the laws on VAT (value added tax) in Britain. For 
those unfamiliar, this is a tax included in the price of items you 
buy in shops and so on - it's included in the price, and I presume 
that the business then pays the tax to the government. Anyway, 
certain things are exempt from VAT - milk, for example. (Someone 
correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, by the way - it's not exactly 
my field of expertise.) One of the things exempt from VAT is books, 
and magazines count as books (I know this from working in a bookshop 
and having to sort things into VAT and non-VAT heaps on the floor). 
So what this all boils down to is that VAT is charged on "feminine 
hygiene products" like Tampax and stuff because they are considered 
luxuries. And porno magazines are free from VAT because they count as 
books.

What's with that, huh?

I could well rant on about other such feministy type things, such as 
the laws on obscenity, but I fear I would bore you all, so I will 
instead congratulate all those involved on the wizard redneck thread, 
which I have been thoroughly enjoying. ;-)

~ Martha




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jan 13 21:49:52 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:49:52 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: US Government oddness/British same
In-Reply-To: <bu1o64+lsat@eGroups.com>
References: <bu12el+j7h1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <400502B0.8095.21310CE@localhost>

On 13 Jan 2004 at 21:32, Martha wrote:

> This reminds me of the laws on VAT (value added tax) in Britain. For 
> those unfamiliar, this is a tax included in the price of items you 
> buy in shops and so on - it's included in the price, and I presume 
> that the business then pays the tax to the government. Anyway, 
> certain things are exempt from VAT - milk, for example. (Someone 
> correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, by the way - it's not exactly 
> my field of expertise.) One of the things exempt from VAT is books, 
> and magazines count as books (I know this from working in a bookshop 
> and having to sort things into VAT and non-VAT heaps on the floor). 
> So what this all boils down to is that VAT is charged on "feminine 
> hygiene products" like Tampax and stuff because they are considered 
> luxuries. And porno magazines are free from VAT because they count as 
> books.
> 
> What's with that, huh?

GST in Australia - raw chicken is not subject to GST. Cooked hot 
chicken is subject to GST. Cooked hot chicken that has been allowed 
to cool so it is cold chicken is not subject to GST.

Writing tax laws is very hard because of the exceptional cases - 
the easiest way would be to apply any type of sales tax, VAT, GST, 
whatever you want to call it to *all* goods - but lobby groups 
always want exceptions - some reasonable, some not - and eventually 
you have to draw a line. That's "what's with that." Wherever you 
are going to draw the line, you're going to end up with some 
ridiculous anomalies.

Australia only introduced a GST in 2001, so the horse trading and 
dealing that lead to our anomalies is still fresh in everybody's 
memories.

Condoms are GST free - feminine sanitary products are not (and the 
only practical way they could have exempted them would have been to 
classify menstruation as a disease - that one was a real political 
minefield). When suggestions were made that a special exemption 
should be made, other lobby groups started calling for razor blades 
to be exempted on the same basis - that's why you end up with 
anomalies - because as soon as you give an inch, some people will 
take a mile, and at some point, they have to say 'Enough'.

It's not just US government oddities - it's government oddities in 
general.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Tue Jan 13 22:08:39 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:08:39 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: US Government oddness/British same
References: <bu12el+j7h1@eGroups.com> <400502B0.8095.21310CE@localhost>
Message-ID: <013001c3da21$cdd57440$23361c40@oemcomputer>

Shaun wrote:

<It's not just US government oddities - it's
government oddities in
general.>

True.  Though in the case of feminine hygiene
products, shouldn't they be exempt as they
COULD cause disease (which is what I assume
is the case for condoms being exempt).
Granted the risk is low but still.

*shrugs*  Maybe I should get a job as a tax
writer, could be fun just to watch people's
heads spin around as they try to figure it
all out.

Saitaina
****
Brave and bold they're not.  They ain't the
bravest heroes...but they're the only ones
we've got.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jan 13 22:22:53 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:22:53 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: US Government oddness/British same
In-Reply-To: <013001c3da21$cdd57440$23361c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <40050A6D.26924.2314A17@localhost>

On 13 Jan 2004 at 14:08, Saitaina wrote:

> Shaun wrote:
> 
> <It's not just US government oddities - it's
> government oddities in
> general.>
> 
> True.  Though in the case of feminine hygiene
> products, shouldn't they be exempt as they
> COULD cause disease (which is what I assume
> is the case for condoms being exempt).
> Granted the risk is low but still.

Yes - but if you exempt things on the grounds that they sometimes 
have a preventative effect with regard to disease, you then wind up 
with the question of whether you should exempt vitamin pills... and 
having exempted those, should you exempt herbal remedies... and 
having exempted those, should you exempt herbal food supplements... 
and having exempted those, should you exempt tomato sauce...

This is the crux of the problem - personally if I was making the 
decisions, I would exempt feminine hygiene products - but a line 
has to be drawn somewhere, and you're always going to wind up with 
some anomalies, whatever you do.
 
> *shrugs*  Maybe I should get a job as a tax
> writer, could be fun just to watch people's
> heads spin around as they try to figure it
> all out.

Our tax laws have actually got considerably simpler under our new 
GST regime - they are easier to understand than they were before - 
but head spinning is still highly complex.

I worked Y2K remediation for the Australian Post Office - followed 
immediately (we had six months) by getting all their systems ready 
for GST - that job was on the same scale as Y2K - and you might be 
surprised at how many different items a typical post office sells - 
all of which had to be assessed as to whether they incurred GST or 
not - and if they did, if they always did - and should GST be 
applied before bulk discounting, or after...

YAHAHAHAHA!


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Tue Jan 13 22:32:14 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:32:14 -0000
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <000001c3d91b$fd6847c0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu1rle+f923@eGroups.com>

"Iggy McSnurd" wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> Last night on the chat, we started coming up with "You might be a
> redneck wizard..." and WW "Yo Mamma..." jokes.  I've attached what 
we
> came up with so far at the end of this letter.  I'd like if others 
out
> there can send in their contributions for me to add to a master 
list and
> eventually post on the group in its entirety, and archive on the 
site
> itself.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your contributions.
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> 
> 
> 
> "You Might Be a Redneck Wizard..."

Now Tcy adds to the list:


...if your Pa rides with you on the Hogwarts Express 'cause you're in 
the same grade.

...if you brew your potions out back in a still.


Tcy
(who also left the chat too early or was that arrived too late? 
(thank you YahooMort!))



> 
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if you have a wand rack on your
> broom. 
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your Animagus form is a coon
> hound.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you wear your pointed hat
> backwards
> 
> yolandacarroll: you might be a red-neck wizard if your wife is your
> first cousin. Oh, wait that just means you're a pure-blood.
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your house crest has a six 
pack
> of beer, and a fishing rod.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you smash your potion cup
> against your forehead when you have finished chugging it
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your school trunk 
says "Igloo" on
> the side and is held closed with duct tape
> 
> yolandacarroll: You might be a redneck wizard, if your Mom sweeps 
the
> floor with your Nimbus 2000.
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your loincloth doubles as 
your
> swimming suit.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you have fuzzy dice hanging
> below your broom
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your favorite potion 
ingredients
> are Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Budweiser...
> 
> yolandacarroll: You might be a redneck wizard if you try to rope a
> centaur.
> 
> bohcoo: You might be a redneck wizard if you have a pack of Luckies
> rolled in your robe sleeve
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if you cut the grass in your 
front
> yard, and find 52 broomsticks
> 
> Iggy: You might be a redneck wizard if your favorite spell is "accio
> beer" 
> 
> 
> 
> "Yo Mamma..." 
> 
> 
> sarcasticmuppet: you're momma's so fat she needs two portkeys to get
> anywhere
> 
> sarcasticmuppet: yo momma's so ugly, a hippogryph bows to HER
> 
> Iggy: Your momma's so fat, she needs a bonfire to use the Floo 
network
> 
> sarcasticmuppet: yo momma's so stupid she saw a sign that said
> "Quidditch World Cup - Left", so she went home.
> 
> megalynn44: yo mama's so fat she flies on a Hoover
> 
> Iggy: Yo mamma's so skinny, people keep mistaking her for a Nimbus 
2000.
> 
> Iggy: Yo mamma's do stupid, even Trolls think she's slow.




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Jan 13 23:07:59 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:07:59 -0600
Subject: WW Govt. Oddness  (was -  Re: US Government oddness/British same)
In-Reply-To: <013001c3da21$cdd57440$23361c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000001c3da2a$16607e50$4e60bf44@Einstein>

Iggy here:

This thread leads me off to ponder what odd things probably exist as
similar oddness in the WW.  Let's speculate, shall we?

Iggy McSnurd


1:  Protective dragon skin gloves will be taxed, as avoiding injury,
severe burns, acidic corrosion, and/or toxic contamination is considered
a luxury.

Dragon dung will not only be exempt from taxation, but the purchase by
farmers shall also be subsidized by the Ministry due to its
effectiveness as a fertilizer.  (The dung, that is.  Research is still
in progress to determine the MoM's effectiveness as a fertilizer.)


2:  Non-fiction literature, textbooks, and subscriptions to the Daily
Prophet are all exempt from taxes.  Books of fiction, poetry, comics,
and subscriptions to the Quibbler will be subject to taxation.

This is because it has been determined by the Ministry that MoM approved
ideas and knowledge is a necessity, whereas gossip, fantasy, and
daydreaming are all considered luxuries.


3:  Butterbeer, pumpkin juice, milk, orange juice, bungleberry juice,
Plumble Punch, and Snorlack Soda shall not be taxed, as they are non
alcoholic.

Firewhisky, mead, ale, and Butterbeer (when bought by House Elves) will
all be taxed, as getting drunk (whether simply happy, or passed out and
puking) is considered to be a luxury.




Any other ones out there that someone knows about?







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jan 13 23:50:18 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:50:18 -0000
Subject: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <4004F95F.12754.1EEA8D7@localhost>
Message-ID: <bu207q+5c82@eGroups.com>

Shaun Hately wrote:

> I kept, for some reasons, having 
> flashes about Lord Lucan while reading it (maybe the references to 
> gambling away an inheritance, and that lead last night to me 
> dreaming about Lord Lucan as a wizard tied up with Voldemort... I 
> need help!)

"Lord Voldemort's rise to power was marked by unexplained 
disappearences" - presumably in the seventies.  Shaun, I believe you 
are onto something.

David




From sydenmill at msn.com  Wed Jan 14 00:28:44 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:28:44 -0000
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <000201c3d9f0$2a720600$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu22fs+k1q4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:

> Iggy here:
> Mind if I add the world "flannel" in there?  (After all, if they're
> plaid, you could also be a fanatical Scot.  Just look at some of the
> things we've seen McGonagall wear.)


Bohcoo:  
Absolutely! Good idea. And, also funnier!


Iggy: 
> And for the redneck thing...  I'm half Italian and half Southern... 
I'm also a big fan of both Jeff Foxworthy and Bill Engvall.  Trust 
me, you don't seem too familiar with it to me.>

Bohcoo:
I think we're all a little redneck when it comes to some things, 
y'know? Ditto on Foxworthy and Engvall. 

 
Iggy: 
> Who has accidentally shot HIMSELF in the arm with a bow and arrow...

Bohcoo:
Not going to let you go with that one. Details, details, we must have 
details. Bet you won a local prize for that, didn't ya?


Iggy: 
> Who has been known, on occasion, to clean his ears with his car 
keys...

Bohcoo:
Ew.

Iggy: 
> Who HAS used his underwear as a bathing suit...

Bohcoo:
And, you call yourself half Italian and half redneck? Birthday suits 
are the proper attire, aren't they?

Iggy: 
> And who has actually had to yell out "somebody go jiggle the 
handle!"

Bohcoo:
Outhouses have handles?

With a wink and a grin and a blow on her trusty paint gun,
(And for those of you who weren't in the Sunday chat -- get your 
minds outta the gutter!!! Actually, you too, Iggy....) (HA)
Bohcoo




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed Jan 14 00:38:31 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:38:31 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Rights of Hereditary Entailment.
In-Reply-To: <bu207q+5c82@eGroups.com>
References: <4004F95F.12754.1EEA8D7@localhost>
Message-ID: <40052A37.30968.3C61BC@localhost>

On 13 Jan 2004 at 23:50, davewitley wrote:

> Shaun Hately wrote:
> 
> > I kept, for some reasons, having 
> > flashes about Lord Lucan while reading it (maybe the references to 
> > gambling away an inheritance, and that lead last night to me 
> > dreaming about Lord Lucan as a wizard tied up with Voldemort... I 
> > need help!)
> 
> "Lord Voldemort's rise to power was marked by unexplained 
> disappearences" - presumably in the seventies.  Shaun, I believe you 
> are onto something.

Heh (-8

So people know what we are talking about - well, I'm sure a lot of 
people do know, but probably not all.

Richard John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan.

On the evening of 7th November 1974, in a terrace house in 
Lower Belgrave Street, London, two women were attacked. They 
were the Countess of Lucan, Veronica Bingham; and the nanny 
to Frances and George Bingham (children of the Earl and 
Countess of Lucan), Sandra Rivett. Miss Rivett was attacked 
first and was killed. Lady Lucan managed to fight off her 
attacker - who she identified as her husband.

Lord and Lady Lucan had separated nearly two years earlier 
and had been engaged in a fairly bitter custody dispute over 
their two children.

Lord Lucan fled the scene of the murder and assault and went 
to a friends house in the country. He spoke to his mother on 
the phone, to the friend he visited, and he wrote a letter 
to another friend, basically claiming he'd been walking past 
the house when he'd seen an attack going on through the 
window - he claimed he'd gone to his wife's assistance, and 
once they'd fought off the attacker, she accused him of the 
attack. He also told his mother he would surrender to police 
for questioning the following morning.

And then he vanished.

The case was a media sensation - initially because of the 
association with the aristocracy, but the murder of Sandra 
Rivett was also very savage - she was literally beaten to 
death with some sort of club. The search for the missing 
Earl made the story even more dramatic - a car he had 
borrowed was found near the coast, with a piece of lead pipe 
wrapped in bandages in its boot - something rather similar 
to the suspected murder weapon. The police obtained an 
arrest warrant for murder - the first time such a warrant 
had been issued against a peer of the realm. As the stories 
went on, information emerged that Lucan had been earning his 
living as a professional gambler - and was heavily in debt.

One of the most sensational parts of the case though, came 
at the inquest into Sandra Rivett's murder - Lady Lucan and 
her daughter were both witnesses and their stories didn't 
match perfectly - no huge discrepancies but enough for 
questions to be asked. And finally the inquest returned a 
rather unusual verdict - legal, but of a type that hadn't 
been returned in recent British history. The verdict was 
'Murder by Lord Lucan'. Basically, without a trial, and 
still technically entitled to the presumption of innocence, 
Lucan was officially branded as a murderer - British law was 
changed shortly thereafter to stop inquest juries returning 
such verdicts.

Since Lucan vanished, there have been many sightings of him 
around the world - some credible, some not. Last year a 
story emerged that he'd been living in Goa, India.

Honestly, my dreams are the product of a warped mind (-8, 
but seriously, I could just about see Lucan as an associate 
of Voldemort if he was a wizard - he was fairly obsessed 
with breeding, was incredibly ambitious (while wealthy by 
any normal standards, he'd spent some time as a child living 
with an extremely rich family - he was evacuated to America 
during World War II, and while he had status due to his 
title, he was relatively unsuccessful compared to his 
forebears (his father, the 6th Earl was a government 
minister, the 3rd Earl was a senior military officer - who 
actually ordered the famous 'Charge of the Light Brigade'). 
I can see a bitter Lucan throwing his lot in with Voldemort.

I've been reading up about Lucan recently - probably why he 
wound up in my dreams. One of the books I read in 'Looking 
for Lucan' by Roy Ranson, the police officer who lead the 
initial murder investigation.

The last couple of paragraphs amuse me - basically because I 
can see someone like Moody wanting to send the same message 
to Voldemort.

"I believe that one of those hidey-holes still holds Lord 
Lucan, and wherever he may be, I have my own personal 
message for the missing Earl.

'Do not relax, my Lord. Keep a watchful eye over your shoulder. 
There will always be someone looking for Lucan.'"



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 02:06:51 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:06:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bu22fs+k1q4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3da43$1370f620$4e60bf44@Einstein>

>> Iggy:
>> Who has accidentally shot HIMSELF in the arm with a bow and arrow...
> 
> Bohcoo:
> Not going to let you go with that one. Details, details, we must have
> details. Bet you won a local prize for that, didn't ya?

Iggy here:

*sigh* Ok... Here goes:

About 10 years ago, when I was still a member of the SCA (Society for
Creative Anachronism, for those who didn't know), I was a member of the
College of St. David... which was the branch at University of California
at Santa Cruz.  Some of us were in training as "light fighters"
(javelins, archery, darts, etc...), some were training as "heavy
fighters" (full armored melee combat), and some (like me) were training
at both.

Well, one of the guys set up an archery range and some of us would go
over regularly to practice.  We had all gone out and gotten SCA
regulation recurve bows (getting a bit of a discount for about 10 of us
buying them all at once from the same store) and assembled a collection
of arrows.  Unfortunately, one of the people bought a few arrows that
were slightly shorter than the others.  (Mainly it was unfortunate for
me since, as the largest guy in the group, I had the longest draw on my
bow.)

One day while a few of us were out shooting, I grabbed one of the
shorter arrows without realizing it.  When I drew it back, I was ok...
the arrowhead was resting on the grip of my bow.  The problem is, when I
fired, my arm drew back a tad more, and my fingers tightening as well,
brought the arrow back just enough that the arrowhead slipped back and
jammed against the arm of the bow just as I fired.

The force of the release, combined with the fact that the arrow had
nowhere to go now, caused the shaft to snap, driving the back half into
my arm.  Fortunately, factors worked together to minimize the damage.
For one, the shaft snapped cleanly and across its width, causing the end
to be almost perfectly flat, rather than splintering into a long spike.
Second, I tended to wear heavy cotton dress shirts at the time... nice
and tough fabric.  Third, it was also my style to roll my sleeves up, so
the gathered fabric was in the crook of my elbow... at the same place
the broken arrow hit.

The end result was a lot less damaging than it could have been.  Mostly,
it was a severe abrasion and some bleeding to the inside of my elbow,
rather than a 18" shaft of wood being driven through my arm.

I still qualify as the only person, probably in the world, who has ever
managed to shoot himself in the arm with a two handed bow.  (I can
imagine someone doing it with a hand crossbow.. but to do it with a
recurve bow takes talent... or bad luck...)




> Iggy:
> > Who HAS used his underwear as a bathing suit...
> 
> Bohcoo:
> And, you call yourself half Italian and half redneck? Birthday suits
> are the proper attire, aren't they?

Iggy:

For some, maybe...  Personally, I've never had the nerve to go skinny
dipping.  (I won't get into the many jokes I could get into.  Perhaps if
this were on the chat from last Sunday... *chuckle*)


> 
> >Iggy:
> > And who has actually had to yell out "somebody go jiggle the
> handle!"
> 
> Bohcoo:
> Outhouses have handles?

Iggy:

Nahhhh.. We gots some o' that fancy indoor plumbing down here in our
place.

(Actually, the handle referred to is usually the toilet handle, since
some toilets are notorious for having the flap chain go slack and get
stuck under the seal flap... causing the water to keep running if you
don't jiggle the handle to unstuck the chain.)

And to be truthful, I just recently moved down here to the south.  Heck,
I spent almost all of my life before living here out in central
California.

The funny thing is that I get the occasional person down here asking if
I'm a Yankee... to which I correct them and alleviate their ignorance by
pointing out that I am a Westerner, and not a Yankee.  (The two biggest
distinction is that we don't have accents, and that we also stayed out
of that little temper tantrum known as the Civil War, the War of
Northern Aggression, or the War Between the States... or whatever
someone chooses to call it.)


> 
> With a wink and a grin and a blow on her trusty paint gun,
> (And for those of you who weren't in the Sunday chat -- get your
> minds outta the gutter!!! Actually, you too, Iggy....) (HA)
> Bohcoo
> 
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From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 04:10:09 2004
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:10:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SCA, painful things
In-Reply-To: <000001c3da43$1370f620$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <20040114041009.92716.qmail@web14915.mail.yahoo.com>

OHMY! As an ex-member of the SCA I understand completely! I was a fighter with a short sword, and a very light long sword, being a 5 foot 100 pound woman. But I had a friend who was 6 foot 8 and about 290 pounds. He fought with two war hammers.He could deliver a killing blow OVER the shield very easily. One day, at a festival, he was hit in the nuts with a morningstar. By a very short Knight. From underneath.  It brought him to his knees, even with the manditory codpiece. A lot of ice was applied. Later, at the feast, the Crown Princess gave him a lovely award. A pair of iron balls. Very fitting!
 
Alex Fox ( The Lady Madeline, Shire of Blacklake, Kingdom of Ansteora)
 who's ol man is wondering why they would have iron balls hanging around a SCA festival. He has obviously never been to one.
 
 
 
 
 
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>> Who has accidentally shot HIMSELF in the arm with a bow and arrow...
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From hogwartsweekly at webtv.net  Wed Jan 14 06:24:25 2004
From: hogwartsweekly at webtv.net (stone_hogwarts)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:24:25 -0000
Subject: any HP fans in northern California?
Message-ID: <bu2nap+fh1r@eGroups.com>

Greetings!
Im in San Jose,and am looking for other adult Harry Potter fans in my area. I would like to arrange monthly gatherings/parties at coffeehouses or local pubs. Costumes encouraged. I have joined my local Harry Potter Meetup group but for some strange reason,there are very few members,so Im looking for fellow HP fans in other places,like this group. If you're in the San Jose/San Francisco area,and would like to attend monthly HP gatherings,please let me know!! Thanks!  Rick

P.S.Go out and buy your 2004 HP calendars while they're 50% off!





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 13:49:43 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:49:43 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SCA, painful things
In-Reply-To: <20040114041009.92716.qmail@web14915.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3daa5$43bbb560$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> From: alex fox 
> 
> OHMY! As an ex-member of the SCA I understand completely! I was a
fighter
> with a short sword, and a very light long sword, being a 5 foot 100
pound
> woman. But I had a friend who was 6 foot 8 and about 290 pounds. He
fought
> with two war hammers.He could deliver a killing blow OVER the shield
very
> easily. One day, at a festival, he was hit in the nuts with a
morningstar.
> By a very short Knight. From underneath.  It brought him to his knees,
> even with the manditory codpiece. A lot of ice was applied. Later, at
the
> feast, the Crown Princess gave him a lovely award. A pair of iron
balls.
> Very fitting!

Iggy here:

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, and the commemorative ice bag.

I was helping to give a demo of heavy fighting at UCSC, and we were
doing a modified "round robin" style of line-up.  About my 4th fight, I
was fighting Mustafa Khamal of Antioch.  During one strike on his part,
I drew in my shield and reflexively leaned back... but unfortunately
opened my defenses just enough.  The shot he was aiming at the top of my
head was partially dodged, unfortunately the tip of the sword caught me
at full force in the... *ahem*... cup.

I was literally knocked out cold from the shock.  The next thing I know,
I was waking up on the ground with Gunar kneeling next to me shaking me
and yelling at me to breathe.  It turns out that the shock hit me so
bad, that I had also stopped breathing for the minute I was out.  Gunar
told me he was about 5 seconds from starting to smack me on the chest
repeatedly to get me to breathe again.

Thinking back in it, that may have been the turning point for me.  I
kinda lost my drive to get authorized as a fighter...

On the other side of it, I had been a Marshal since my first event and
enjoyed that enough.  (For those of you not in the SCA, the Marshals
oversee safety during combat, making sure fights are stopped if
something goes wrong, and being the main line of protection between the
fighting and the spectators.  It's great.  One yell of "HOLD!" from a
Marshal, and *everything* on the field stops.)

Which actually brings me to an interesting little side story:

I had been a Marshal for about 4 years so far, and had been through a
*lot*.  (This includes being a Marshal at a war and literally having me
being sandwiched between a bush, and active combat at times.)

At one event, some ignorant putz fighter wannabe once stated that I was
a wimp because I was a Marshal, but not a fighter.  (I'm a big guy, so I
naturally looked like I should be a fighter.)  Well, I had been having a
bit of a rough day already, so I ended up launching into a mini-tirade
at him.  I started with the fact that Marshals were in the field, and
sometimes in the middle of the fighting during wars, with no armor on
whatsoever while the fighters were usually encased in steel.  The only
protection the Marshals have are a 6 foot rattan staff and, during wars
that include "light fighting," a fencing mask to protect our faces from
the wide variety of flying missiles.  I pretty much ended with the fact
that it takes a lot of guts and dedication to also be the line between
combat and the spectators.  Especially since you need to me willing, as
a Marshal, to potentially end up in the hospital before any of the
spectators is in danger.

Fortunately, the prince also heard this and backed me up on it.  (As did
a few of the knights, an Earl, and a baron or two.)  I think they let me
go on my tirade since I was the one insulted, and also because I was in
charge of one of the fields earlier that day.


Iggy McSnurd

(Formerly:  Martin of Grantham, Kingdom of the West, Principality of the
Mists, Barony of Darkwood, Marshal of Arms of the College of St. David,
Escort to Baroness Elizabeth of the Blue Rose, and originator of the
Great Darkwood - Tarnmist Sheep War.)





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jan 14 13:54:24 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:54:24 -0000
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bu1rle+f923@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu3hmg+nr59@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> 
wrote:
> "Iggy McSnurd" wrote:
> > Iggy here:
> > 
> > Last night on the chat, we started coming up with "You might be a
> > redneck wizard..." and WW "Yo Mamma..." jokes.  

Yo mama so ugly that the entire school chipped in to buy her an 
Invisibility Cloak.

Yo mama so ugly that Newt Scamander has a chapter in FBAWTFT about 
her.

Yo mama so mean that when she plays Quidditch, the Bludgers fly 
*away* from her.

Yo mama so mean that she sucks the souls out of dementors.

   - CMC




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 13:54:49 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:54:49 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any HP fans in northern California?
In-Reply-To: <bu2nap+fh1r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3daa5$fa0ed180$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> From: stone_hogwarts 
> 
> Greetings!
> Im in San Jose,and am looking for other adult Harry Potter fans in my
> area. I would like to arrange monthly gatherings/parties at
coffeehouses
> or local pubs. Costumes encouraged. I have joined my local Harry
Potter
> Meetup group but for some strange reason,there are very few members,so
Im
> looking for fellow HP fans in other places,like this group. If you're
in
> the San Jose/San Francisco area,and would like to attend monthly HP
> gatherings,please let me know!! Thanks!  Rick
> 
> P.S.Go out and buy your 2004 HP calendars while they're 50% off!

Iggy here:

Had you caught me about 4 years ago, I woulda been there... but I moved
from Santa Cruz down here to Alabama (dunno what SCA kingdom I'm in
now... *grin*) about 3 1/2 years ago.

Iggy McSnurd






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 14:00:56 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:00:56 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bu3hmg+nr59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3daa6$d4c1e8d0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> 
> Yo mama so ugly that the entire school chipped in to buy her an
> Invisibility Cloak.
> 
> Yo mama so ugly that Newt Scamander has a chapter in FBAWTFT about
> her.
> 
> Yo mama so mean that when she plays Quidditch, the Bludgers fly
> *away* from her.
> 
> Yo mama so mean that she sucks the souls out of dementors.
> 
>    - CMC

ROFLMAO!!!

Those will *definitely* be on the list.

Iggy McSnurd






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 14:18:36 2004
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:18:36 -0000
Subject: US Government oddness/British same
In-Reply-To: <bu1o64+lsat@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu3j3s+4itp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Martha" 
<fakeplastikcynic at h...> wrote:
> Iggy (I think it was Iggy... apologies if it wasn't)
> 
> >  "Anything that's "prepared" by someone else (that is, actually 
> > assembled
> > > at the time of purchase... such as a burger, a pizza, or even a 
> deli
> > > sandwich) is considered to be a luxury item of sorts."
> 
> Tracy:
> 
> > Don't you just love government oddness?  When I used to work in 
> rehab 
> > I found it odd that Medicare wouldn't pay for a bathtub seat (for 
> > someone who couldn't stand up in the tub/shower - for example, a 
> > stroke victim or a person who'd just had a hip replacement) 
because 
> > it was considered a "luxury item".  Apparently being clean is a 
> > luxury!
> 
> Now Martha:
> 
> This reminds me of the laws on VAT (value added tax) in Britain. 
For 
> those unfamiliar, this is a tax included in the price of items you 
> buy in shops and so on - it's included in the price, and I presume 
> that the business then pays the tax to the government. Anyway, 
> certain things are exempt from VAT - milk, for example. 

Geoff:
Another oddity here is biscuits v chocolate bars. A great favourite 
in the UK are Kit-Kats. The original is a flattish wafer bar made in 
either 2 or 4 chocolate covered fingers each about5inches long by 
three quarters of an inch wide. These classify as biscuits and are 
zero-rated for VAT.

However, some while ago, Nestle introduced Chunky Kit-Kat which come 
in about two sizes (I favour the smaller 26g size personally). These, 
as the name suggests are made in a chunky form, about 5 inches long 
by about three quarters of an inch square cross-section.

They are classified as chocolate bars and so carry VAT. Thus, if I 
want traditional Kit-Kats in my local Tesco store, I go to the 
biscuit aisle; if I want chunky ones, I go to the confectionary 
shelves, four aisles away!

Arggh. Bureaucracy......




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 14 22:47:33 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:47:33 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: US Government oddness/British same
References: <bu3j3s+4itp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3daf0$6604e970$a6706751@kathryn>


> Geoff:
> Another oddity here is biscuits v chocolate bars. A great favourite
> in the UK are Kit-Kats. The original is a flattish wafer bar made in
> either 2 or 4 chocolate covered fingers each about5inches long by
> three quarters of an inch wide. These classify as biscuits and are
> zero-rated for VAT.

K

And let's not forget that McVities were taking the government to court (or
planning to) over whether Jaffa Cakes were cakes (VAT liable) or biscuits
(VAT free). The definition one side (but don't remember which) were using
was that cakes go hard when they go stale, but biscuits go soft - personally
I've never left a packet of Jaffa Cakes uneaten long enough to discover what
happens if they go stale :)

K





From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr  Wed Jan 14 17:42:25 2004
From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:42:25 -0000
Subject: Traditional vampirism
Message-ID: <bu3v21+ac1s@eGroups.com>

I have moved the discussion here from the main board, as my contribution has no 
more reference to HP. I have done some research on traditional vampirism. Claim that 
I have checked beyond reasonable doubt (at least two independents sources) are 
marked with a star.

*1) Vampirism (human-like being that feed on human blood) exist in many culture.

*2) The jewish and christian belief in vampirism seems to stem from ancient assyrian 
legends that have passed in the Bible in the story of Lilith.

*3) The vampire psychosis started in the eighteenth century, especially in Eastern 
Europe. At that time, it is easy to find references to vampires in political decrees and 
scholarly works.

*4) The "official" works of that time speak of human being that have raised from the 
dead to attack human beings and feed on their blood. Official recommendations 
against vampire was to kill them a second time with a picket, presumably the origin of 
that popular belief.

*5) It is very reasonable to suppose that "vampires" were victim of the terrible plague 
epidemic of the first half of the eighteenth century. The description of vampires from 
that time match the symptoms of plague.

*6) A terrible rabies epidemic plagued Hungary, starting in 1721. Vector of rabies 
include dogs, wolves, bats. Symptoms of rabies match some description of the 
vampire behavior (aggressive behavior, biting, dislike for sunlight...).

>From that, it is reasonable to surmise that many attribute of the vampire come from 
that time : biting, raising from the dead (plague induce coma, that could be very easily 
mistaken with death, only the "dead" was bound to come out of his grave and 
contaminate other humans, making them vampires), the fact that you could kill him 
with a picket, the fact that you can be contaminated by biting....

*7) The link between vampire and sexuality can be found at least since the end of the 
eighteenth century. Instance can be found in the early works of german romanticism. 
At that time, the seductive vampire is more often female. One of the first litterary 
work called The Vampire is a poem by Ossenfelder.

Maybe the well-known myth of Lilith has intermingled with the horrible tales coming 
from east europe. At that time the link between vampires and sexuality is already very 
present (more than one century before Dracula and the victorian era).

8) The romantic vampire we know, a pale and seductive but dead gentleman appears 
during the famous contest between Percy Shelley, Mary Shelley, Byron and Byron's 
assistant, Polidori. Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein, Polidori wrote the first instance of 
a dandy-vampire, probably to mock the manner of Byron (the fact it is the first 
instance is doubtful, so no * for that claim).

Then came Bram Stoker, and his Dracula set the standard for vampires : Dracula 
comes from Eastern Europe, has an affinity with wolves and bats, is dead (the first 
generation vampire), is seductive and alienated with society (the romantic generation 
vampire), dislike garlic, has no reflection in a miror...

What does that teach us about Snape ? Probably nothing but it was fun anyway.

Olivier




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Wed Jan 14 19:18:27 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:18:27 -0000
Subject: You might be a Muggle if...
Message-ID: <bu44m3+ro3l@eGroups.com>

While telling my hubby about the great "you might be a redneck 
wizard" jokes circulating - he said it might be fun to come up with 
some other jokes you'd expect to hear the wizards telling one another 
around the water cooler (so to speak).

So without further ado - I give you "You might be a muggle if..."

...you think Slytherin is the sound of a snake crawling through the 
leaves.

...you think "Alohomora!" is a Hawaiian greeting.

...you think a snitch is someone who tattles.

...you hear the word "Azkaban" and you reply "Bless you."

...you think "Kwikspell" is a new Microsoft product.

...you think "Polyjuice" is a nutritional suppliment for your parrot.


Can you think of any others to add to the list?


Tcy
(who had to pause to wipe the tears from her eyes after reading CMC's 
additions to the redneck wizard list)




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Jan 14 19:59:31 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:59:31 -0000
Subject: You might be a Muggle if...
In-Reply-To: <bu44m3+ro3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu4733+mk7j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> 
wrote:
"You might be a muggle if..."
> 
> ...you think Slytherin is the sound of a snake crawling through 
> the leaves.
> 
> ...you think "Alohomora!" is a Hawaiian greeting.
> 
> ...you think a snitch is someone who tattles.
> 
> ...you hear the word "Azkaban" and you reply "Bless you."
> 
> ...you think "Kwikspell" is a new Microsoft product.
> 
> ...you think "Polyjuice" is a nutritional suppliment for your 
parrot.
> 

.... you hear someone shouting 'Accio' and hand them a tissue

.... you think a game of cricket that lasts five days is a long time 
for a sports match.

... you think 'Animagi' is the latest cartoon craze from Japan.


and you might be a publisher if ...

... you think 'Philosopher' is too complicated a word to put on a 
book cover. ;-)

Pip




From neonsister at ameritech.net  Wed Jan 14 20:15:18 2004
From: neonsister at ameritech.net (neonsister at ameritech.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:15:18 -0000
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bu3hmg+nr59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu480m+sn7d@eGroups.com>

I'm loving these!  Here's one I came up with:

You might be a redneck wizard if... your Patronus takes the form of a 
John Deere tractor.

Tracy *thinking up some more*





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 20:50:30 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:50:30 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You might be a Muggle if...
In-Reply-To: <bu44m3+ro3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3dae0$1549bf70$4e60bf44@Einstein>



> From: Tracy Hunt 
> 
> While telling my hubby about the great "you might be a redneck
> wizard" jokes circulating - he said it might be fun to come up with
> some other jokes you'd expect to hear the wizards telling one another
> around the water cooler (so to speak).
> 
> So without further ado - I give you "You might be a muggle if..."
> 

*snip*

> 
> Tcy
> (who had to pause to wipe the tears from her eyes after reading CMC's
> additions to the redneck wizard list)
> 

Iggy here:

BTW, Tcy... Since you started this thread, it's your responsibility to
compile it into a master list.  (I can do it if you really don't have
the time, since I can just tack it on to my current list.)  I'm gonna
give the Redneck thread another week or two, then compile the master
list with what people have sent in so far.

Here's some of my contributions to "You might be a Muggle if..."  (Some
are better than others... *chuckle*)

Iggy McSnurd


... you think a "chaser" is a beer you drink after a shot of whiskey.

... you think "MoM" is short for "mommy."

... you think "Diagon Alley" is just something that goes off slantwise.

... you think "Knockturn Alley" is something that happens at night.

... you think a "quaffle" is something to pour maple syrup on.

... when you hear someone talking about "the Prophet", you ask if
they're referring to Nostradamus, or to Moses.

... you think "Gilderoy" is a new kind of fabric.

... you think that "Hagrid" means you've got a very ill tempered wife.

... you think that a "golden galleon" was a pirate ship on the Spanish
Main.

... you think a "bronze knute" is a breed of salamander.  ("newt")

... you think that "Herbology" is some odd study of guys named
"Herbert."

... you're southern and you think that "Tonks" is something you wear
swimming.  ("I got me a pair of them there swimmin' tonks for goin' ta
the lake.")

... you think that a "centaur" is 1/25th of a "quartar."

... you think that "Voldemort" is the German branch of "Wal-Mart."

... you think that "Lucius Malfoy" is the name of a famous drag queen.

... you think that "Mad-Eye Moody" is just another way of saying "that
time of the month."  ("Yeah, Bill, I think I'd better get outta the
house.  It's my wife's 'Mad-Eye Moody' time right now.")






From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Wed Jan 14 21:32:16 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:32:16 -0000
Subject: You might be a Muggle if..., etc.
In-Reply-To: <000501c3dae0$1549bf70$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu4ch0+ro79@eGroups.com>

Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> BTW, Tcy... Since you started this thread, it's your responsibility 
to compile it into a master list.  

<snip some good additions to the list>


Tcy responds: (Not wanting to shirk her duties)

Okay....consider it done...I'm compiling...but what do I do with it 
when there are no more contributions--just keep it on my computer for 
my own personal twisted enjoyment?  Just let me know what to do with 
the master list when it's time.

BTW, this line of jokes just begs for "You might be a Harry Potter 
fanatic if..." don't you think?

Any takers?




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 21:59:32 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:59:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: You might be a Muggle if..., etc.
In-Reply-To: <bu4ch0+ro79@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3dae9$b11a6cc0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> Tcy responds: (Not wanting to shirk her duties)
> 
> Okay....consider it done...I'm compiling...but what do I do with it
> when there are no more contributions--just keep it on my computer for
> my own personal twisted enjoyment?  Just let me know what to do with
> the master list when it's time.

Iggy here:

Just do what I plan to do:  When it's done, send the completed list(s)
in to the mailing list, and post it in the "Files" section of the group
site.  (It'll probably go into the Club_Humor file folder.)  I'll
probably post the lists again in about 6 mos. to see if anyone has come
up with anything new, and update accordingly.

Just make sure you give credit to your contributors for every joke they
send in to you.  (Look at the Tom Swifties list in the Club_Humor folder
for a good example...)

> 
> BTW, this line of jokes just begs for "You might be a Harry Potter
> fanatic if..." don't you think?
> 
> Any takers?
> 

Iggy here:

I think you'd have to give some examples of what you'd have in mind.
(And to you mean "fan-fic?" or "fanatic?")


Iggy McSnurd






From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Wed Jan 14 22:16:46 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:16:46 -0000
Subject: You might be a Harry Potter fanatic if...
Message-ID: <bu4f4e+8llr@eGroups.com>

...you think your HP printer is named for our favorite wizard.

...you named your children Hermione and Severus.

...you asked the store clerk for change and expected it in knuts.

...you wave your arms and say in a commanding voice "Scourgify" and 
are baffled when the dishes are still unclean.

...you say "accio remote" when you loose your TV remote.


Tcy
(who knows there must be more of these, but her brain is slightly 
fried - and it's only WEDNESDAY!!!)




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 22:17:12 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:17:12 -0600
Subject: Some Tom Swifties
Message-ID: <000701c3daec$28b937f0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I just read over the Tom Swifties, and came up with... ("I just hope
they pass muster," Iggy thought privately...)

Iggy McSnurd



"I have a feeling something's going to go wrong here," Hermione said
instinctively.

"They took Norbert away!" cried Hagrid, sadly.

"That Bellatrix is just one ice-cold bitch." Said Harry, coldly.

"I just can't get that *#&$ jinx right!" Neville cursed.

"I just love to sing the Weird Sisters' new song," Lavender sighed
melodically.

"This chicken is just the best!" Ron crowed.

"Man, these boils make riding a broom painful," thought Fred privately.






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 14 22:28:50 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:28:50 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: You might be a Muggle if..., etc.
In-Reply-To: <000601c3dae9$b11a6cc0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000801c3daed$ca007dc0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> I think you'd have to give some examples of what you'd have in mind.
> (And to you mean "fan-fic?" or "fanatic?")
> 

Iggy here:

I hate having to correct myself.  Delete that last sentence, because I
mis-read your comment as "You might be a Harry Potter fan-fic" for some
odd reason.  (I think I still need more sleep...)

Iggy McSnurd






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 15 07:00:38 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:00:38 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You might be a Harry Potter fanatic if...
References: <bu4f4e+8llr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003901c3db35$48bf1da0$a6706751@kathryn>

... You're standing in line at Burger King and you notice that their
breakfast comes with HP sauce and your first thought is *not* to do with
condiments .... but in my defence I was very tired and since British fast
food tends to be neither my mind was wandering :)

K
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."





From editor at texas.net  Thu Jan 15 03:35:11 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:35:11 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SCA, painful things
References: <000001c3daa5$43bbb560$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <00b201c3db18$95b0dd00$c15aaacf@texas.net>

> Iggy McSnurd
>
> (Formerly:  Martin of Grantham, Kingdom of the West, Principality of the
> Mists, Barony of Darkwood, Marshal of Arms of the College of St. David,
> Escort to Baroness Elizabeth of the Blue Rose, and originator of the
> Great Darkwood - Tarnmist Sheep War.)

Dame Alisandre Oliphant of Bjornsborg in Ansteorra, lady to Hrabia Jan w
Orzeldom, bids thee greeting.  I wonder why your SCA name sounds familiar.
Hm.

~Amanda






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jan 15 04:01:20 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:01:20 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SCA, painful things
In-Reply-To: <00b201c3db18$95b0dd00$c15aaacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <000201c3db1c$3c01bd20$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> > Iggy McSnurd
> >
> > (Formerly:  Martin of Grantham, Kingdom of the West, Principality of
the
> > Mists, Barony of Darkwood, Marshal of Arms of the College of St.
David,
> > Escort to Baroness Elizabeth of the Blue Rose, and originator of the
> > Great Darkwood - Tarnmist Sheep War.)
> 
> Dame Alisandre Oliphant of Bjornsborg in Ansteorra, lady to Hrabia Jan
w
> Orzeldom, bids thee greeting.  I wonder why your SCA name sounds
familiar.
> Hm.
> 
> ~Amanda


Iggy here:

Well, I did end up writing some filks for the SCA that people ended up
knowing about in some other kingdoms.  I wrote "Fight Fiercely Darkwood"
(the Barony of Darkwood fight song, based on "Fight Fiercely Harvard" by
Tom Lehrer.), I also wrote the SCA Marshal version of "Be Prepared"
(based on the song of the same name, also by Tom Lehrer.) and a few
others that I can't remember of the top of my head.  I was also Baron
Willhelm of Darkwood's negotiator in the deal that ended up causing the
Darkwood - Tarnmist Sheep Wars.

(I've also written a limerick or two about people in the SCA...)

My main question would be to ask where Ansteorra is located, as the only
ones I'm sure about are the Kingdoms of the West and Caid...

Other than that, it may be some good words from a few people traveling
between kingdoms... or, possibly, some bad stuff from the friends of an
old GF of mine who... well.. let's just say it was a bad breakup.

(I had a few people, like Baron Sebastian, Marjorie of Bethany, and the
Duchess Shahena pay me some high compliments in front of others.  Mostly
that, with the amount of work I did to help people at camping events, I
was a Pelican in the making.  I was a prime example of someone who was
in the SCA for 6 years and had never been granted an Award of Arms
because everyone just assumed I had one already.)

Personally, I have considered checking out the local chapter of the SCA
to see if the politics are as much of a problem here as they were in
California.  I'm wondering whether or not, if I re-join the SCA, to keep
the name Martin of Grantham (and the device), or change the name and
device.

(The heraldry of my device is: per pales, gules and sable.  A mullet of
seven points, pierced, orr, between three de-crescents, argent.    In
other words, on a heater shield, it's split top to bottom down the
middle with red on the left side and black on the right.  A gold, seven
pointed star with a hole in the middle is surrounded by three silver
crescent moons with points to the right, one at each of the three
corners of the shield.)


Iggy McSnurd






From bowlwoman at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 07:14:28 2004
From: bowlwoman at yahoo.com (bowlwoman)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:14:28 -0000
Subject: any HP fans in northern California?
In-Reply-To: <000101c3daa5$fa0ed180$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu5ekk+kqeq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > From: stone_hogwarts 
> > 
> > Greetings!
> > Im in San Jose,and am looking for other adult Harry Potter fans 
in my
> > area. I would like to arrange monthly gatherings/parties at
> coffeehouses
> > or local pubs. Costumes encouraged. I have joined my local Harry
> Potter
> > Meetup group but for some strange reason,there are very few 
members,so
> Im
> > looking for fellow HP fans in other places,like this group. If 
you're
> in
> > the San Jose/San Francisco area,and would like to attend monthly 
HP
> > gatherings,please let me know!! Thanks!  Rick
> > 
> > P.S.Go out and buy your 2004 HP calendars while they're 50% off!
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> Had you caught me about 4 years ago, I woulda been there... but I 
moved
> from Santa Cruz down here to Alabama (dunno what SCA kingdom I'm in
> now... *grin*) about 3 1/2 years ago.
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

Heh..Same with me.  I moved from San Jose to Texas 3 years ago.  And 
as none of my friends that still live in the SJ area are into HP, I 
can't help you out there either.  

I did find this posting on the Sugar Quill forum site.  I'm not sure 
if this would interest you, but at least there are people in the Bay 
Area who are into HP.  Some of them might know of meetings or groups 
in the area.

http://www.sugarquill.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=3604

bowlwoman




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 08:55:01 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:55:01 -0000
Subject: You might be a Harry Potter fanatic if...
In-Reply-To: <003901c3db35$48bf1da0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <bu5kh5+s7ba@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:
> ... You're standing in line at Burger King and you notice that their
> breakfast comes with HP sauce and your first thought is *not* to do 
with
> condiments .... but in my defence I was very tired and since 
British fast
> food tends to be neither my mind was wandering :)
> 
> K
> "The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."

My five knuts worth will require a little bit of pedantic explanation 
for US members - just to make sure the term means the same thing.

Often where there is building work going on, you see a large metal 
open bin type receptacle that can be taken away by lorry and where 
large builders' rubbish is put for disposal - we call this a "skip" 
in the UK.  

Usually the name of the company is displayed on the side of the skip 
and one of the most common names is "Tonks" and that racks me up 
everytime I see it.  

Oh, and I now ALWAYS refer to certain biscuits as Ginger Newts to my 
often ridiculous embarrassment in shops - because I frequently forget 
to be a normal person...

June




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 08:57:29 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:57:29 -0000
Subject: Some Tom Swifties
In-Reply-To: <000701c3daec$28b937f0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu5klp+su9g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> I just read over the Tom Swifties, and came up with... ("I just hope
> they pass muster," Iggy thought privately...)
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> 
> 
> 
> "I have a feeling something's going to go wrong here," Hermione said
> instinctively.
> 
> "They took Norbert away!" cried Hagrid, sadly.
> 
> "That Bellatrix is just one ice-cold bitch." Said Harry, coldly.
> 
> "I just can't get that *#&$ jinx right!" Neville cursed.
> 
> "I just love to sing the Weird Sisters' new song," Lavender sighed
> melodically.
> 
> "This chicken is just the best!" Ron crowed.
> 
> "Man, these boils make riding a broom painful," thought Fred 
privately.

Love 'em.  This one has been on my mind for sometime:

Sirius looked at Harry.  "I've been following you for days," he said 
doggedly.

June




From jennivirides at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 13:14:40 2004
From: jennivirides at yahoo.co.uk (jennivirides)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:14:40 -0000
Subject: Release date announced one year ago today!
Message-ID: <bu63o0+p05s@eGroups.com>

As The Leaky Cauldron has very kindly reminded me, last year on the 
15th of January, Bloomsbury and Scholastic gave us the news we had 
been waiting for for so long: a release date for OotP.

So I was wondering, how did you hear about it? Where were you? What 
did you do? How did you feel (apart from the obvious)?

I remember very vividly, I was having an absolutely manky day. I had 
a stinking cold, and I had just had an exam that went appallingly 
badly (rather like today...). Anyway, I got home, turned on my 
computer and logged onto the Internet. My homepage is always set to 
www.bbc.co.uk, and the first thing I saw was the headline 'RELEASE 
OF POTTER 5 ANNOUNCED'.

I let out a huge squeak, quickly clicked on the link, read the 
story, squeaked again, and promptly went to phone my father, who is 
as big a HP fan as I am, but had been telling me for years that JK 
would never actually write Book 5. So I had to phone him at work to 
gloat, I'm only human. ;)

My second move was, of course, to mark the date with big red letters 
on my calendar.

I then remember feeling at somewhat of a loose end, so I typed the 
words 'Harry Potter' in Google, wondering if there might be a few 
sites I could look at. Ah, how naive I was!

I joined HPfGU about a week later, if I remember correctly, and I've 
been lurking around ever since.

So does anyone else have any memories of that momentous day to share?




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jan 15 13:15:46 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:15:46 -0000
Subject: You might be a Muggle if...
In-Reply-To: <000501c3dae0$1549bf70$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu63q2+873u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > From: Tracy Hunt 
> > 
> > While telling my hubby about the great "you might be a redneck
> > wizard" jokes circulating - he said it might be fun to come up 
with
> > some other jokes you'd expect to hear the wizards telling one 
another
> > around the water cooler (so to speak).
> > 
> > So without further ado - I give you "You might be a muggle if..."
> > 
> 

...you wonder whether Lord Voldemort inherited his title or was 
elevated to the peerage by Queen ELizabeth.


   - CMC




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 13:23:45 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:23:45 -0000
Subject: Release date announced one year ago today!
In-Reply-To: <bu63o0+p05s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu6491+bu0j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jennivirides" 
<jennivirides at y...> wrote:
> As The Leaky Cauldron has very kindly reminded me, last year on the 
> 15th of January, Bloomsbury and Scholastic gave us the news we had 
> been waiting for for so long: a release date for OotP.
> 
> So I was wondering, how did you hear about it? Where were you? What 
> did you do? How did you feel (apart from the obvious)?
> 
> I remember very vividly, I was having an absolutely manky day. I 
had 
> a stinking cold, and I had just had an exam that went appallingly 
> badly (rather like today...). Anyway, I got home, turned on my 
> computer and logged onto the Internet. My homepage is always set to 
> www.bbc.co.uk, and the first thing I saw was the headline 'RELEASE 
> OF POTTER 5 ANNOUNCED'.
> 
> I let out a huge squeak, quickly clicked on the link, read the 
> story, squeaked again, and promptly went to phone my father, who is 
> as big a HP fan as I am, but had been telling me for years that JK 
> would never actually write Book 5. So I had to phone him at work to 
> gloat, I'm only human. ;)
> 
> My second move was, of course, to mark the date with big red 
letters 
> on my calendar.
> 
> I then remember feeling at somewhat of a loose end, so I typed the 
> words 'Harry Potter' in Google, wondering if there might be a few 
> sites I could look at. Ah, how naive I was!
> 
> I joined HPfGU about a week later, if I remember correctly, and 
I've 
> been lurking around ever since.
> 
> So does anyone else have any memories of that momentous day to 
share?

You could have posted this in the thread for "You might be an HP 
fanatic if..." 

As in, you might be an HP fanatic if you can remember exactly what 
you were doing when they announced the release date!

I'm thinking of dates that are in the collective consciousness - 
mainly the Kennedy assassination, the tragedy of 11 September 2001.  

This seems to be a nicer recollection.  And no, sadly I can't 
remember what I was doing - but I did put it in my diary because I'm 
still carrying around my 2002 diary and I just looked.  

June




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jan 15 13:26:32 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:26:32 -0000
Subject: Release date announced one year ago today!
In-Reply-To: <bu63o0+p05s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu64e8+rn0o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jennivirides" 
<jennivirides at y...> wrote:
> As The Leaky Cauldron has very kindly reminded me, last year on the 
> 15th of January, Bloomsbury and Scholastic gave us the news we had 
> been waiting for for so long: a release date for OotP.
> 
> So I was wondering, how did you hear about it? Where were you? What 
> did you do? How did you feel (apart from the obvious)?
> 
> > 
> So does anyone else have any memories of that momentous day to 
share?

Arriving at work, turned on my computer and (as is my wont) scanned a 
few of my favorite sites as I savored my morning cup of coffee. I saw 
the news on the Leaky Cauldron site. I let out a silent yelp of joy 
(I worked with bunch of Muggles). I had earlier predicted to my wife 
that the book would come out sometime between June 14-28, because we 
had planned an overseas vacation on those dates (so I had to wait 
until June 29 to read OOP). Of course  I immediately began thinking 
of a filk to commemorate the event. 

Several other mavens also came out with great filks on the 
announcement, most especially Mariner's It's a Book! They are all 
collected here:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/places/waiting2.htm

  - CMC




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 14:01:15 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:01:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Heidi!
Message-ID: <20040115140115.83521.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

*scurries in, skidding through the room in jammies and
slippers, flinging confetti and tossing streamers*

I know I'm still in my jammies, I wanted to get things
started *early*, before Heidi got busy and missed the
festivities! :-D

Today's birthday honouree is Heidi. Birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to
heidilist at tandys.org.

I hope you day is fun, relaxing and filled with magic.

Happy Birthday, Heidi!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 20:11:30 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:11:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu44m3+ro3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040115201130.54051.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't know if anyone would want to do this, but on a
Lord of the Rings Forum I came across the Incorrect
LOTR Game where you ask questions and give a humorous
wrong answer (EX: Why is Sauron's eye so fiery? Ben
Stein hasn't been by to film his Visine commercial in
Mordor yet.) and then the person who gives the answer
makes up the next question. Anyone interested in doing
a Harry Potter version?
~Kathryn

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jan 15 20:49:26 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:49:26 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040115201130.54051.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3dba9$10c863b0$8d667144@Einstein>

> I don't know if anyone would want to do this, but on a
> Lord of the Rings Forum I came across the Incorrect
> LOTR Game where you ask questions and give a humorous
> wrong answer (EX: Why is Sauron's eye so fiery? Ben
> Stein hasn't been by to film his Visine commercial in
> Mordor yet.) and then the person who gives the answer
> makes up the next question. Anyone interested in doing
> a Harry Potter version?
> ~Kathryn

Iggy here:

Sure.

Here's the first question then:

Why is Snape so ill tempered towards Harry?



Iggy McSnurd






From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Thu Jan 15 21:55:23 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:55:23 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dba9$10c863b0$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bu728b+s3lp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone would want to do this, but on a
> > Lord of the Rings Forum I came across the Incorrect
> > LOTR Game where you ask questions and give a humorous
> > wrong answer (EX: Why is Sauron's eye so fiery? Ben
> > Stein hasn't been by to film his Visine commercial in
> > Mordor yet.) and then the person who gives the answer
> > makes up the next question. Anyone interested in doing
> > a Harry Potter version?
> > ~Kathryn
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> Sure.
> 
> Here's the first question then:
> 
> Why is Snape so ill tempered towards Harry?
> 
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd


Now Tcy:

Because the wizarding world doesn't prescribe mood altering drugs as 
zealously as muggle world does.


What is the real reason that Alastor Moody's eye is "mad?"


Tcy
(hoping she got the right idea for this game)




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Thu Jan 15 22:04:46 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:04:46 -0000
Subject: Missing Punk Reference?
In-Reply-To: <btv75m+9835@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu72pu+387m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grannybat84112" 
<grannybat at h...> wrote:
> Can someone point me toward the URL that mentions Jo Rowling's 
> involvment with the punk rock movement of the '70s and '80s? My 
> search of The Leaky Cauldron's catalog of interviews turned up 
> nothing, and I *know* I've seen that cite online.
> 
> Thanks,
> Grannybat

Now Tcy:

Sorry....I searched the Quick Quills site and did several google 
searches - but found nothing.  I don't recall this URL...but thought 
for sure I'd be able to find something.

Good luck.
Tcy




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Jan 15 23:39:59 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:39:59 -0000
Subject: Release date announced one year ago today!
In-Reply-To: <bu63o0+p05s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu78cf+sk1n@eGroups.com>

<jennivirides at y...> wrote:
> As The Leaky Cauldron has very kindly reminded me, last year on the 
> 15th of January, Bloomsbury and Scholastic gave us the news we had 
> been waiting for for so long: a release date for OotP. 
> So I was wondering, how did you hear about it? Where were you? What 
> did you do? How did you feel (apart from the obvious)?

I have one of those big digital display clocks that counts down to a 
selected date, so I set it for midnight June 15, put in my office 
window facing a busy downtown street, and put a simple sign 
reading "Harry Potter 5" in its "occasion" sign holder. Everyone 
passing by knew how much longer until the new HP book, and it drew 
attention to my company! The independent bookstore down the street 
thanked me for the free publicity, also. Later, when the cover art 
was released, I downloaded it and added it to the sign. 
Ms. Tattersall




From andie at knownet.net  Thu Jan 15 23:46:13 2004
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:46:13 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu728b+s3lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu78o5+70v2@eGroups.com>

> What is the real reason that Alastor Moody's eye is "mad?"



Because the golden snitch collided with Alastor's real eye during a 
World Cup Match several years ago.


Andrea :)



Next question:

Why is the real reason that Firenze agreed to work for Dumbledore?




From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 00:33:47 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:33:47 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu78o5+70v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu7bhb+6sub@eGroups.com>


> Why is the real reason that Firenze agreed to work for Dumbledore?

He's allergic to leaf mold, grass and horses.


Next question:

What would Snape see if he were to face a boggart?

Donna





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 16 01:15:54 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:15:54 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu7bhb+6sub@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3dbce$4a363bc0$8d667144@Einstein>

 
> Next question:
> 
> What would Snape see if he were to face a boggart?
> 
> Donna

Iggy here:

Himself... marrying Harry Potter.  *grin*


Ok, next one:

Why does Dobby bring Winky to the Room of Requirement?



Iggy McSnurd






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan 16 09:35:53 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:35:53 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
References: <000001c3dbce$4a363bc0$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000b01c3dc14$22a262f0$a6706751@kathryn>

Iggy
>
> Ok, next one:
>
> Why does Dobby bring Winky to the Room of Requirement?
>
>

K

It's hard to get privacy down in the kitchens - and at least he knows the
RoR is never going to run out of Elf brand condoms

*smirk*

Why did Slytherin build the Chamber of Secrets?

K





From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Fri Jan 16 03:26:42 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vinnia?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:26:42 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c3dc14$22a262f0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <20040116032642.90676.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com>

K wrote:

Why did Slytherin build the Chamber of Secrets?

Vinnia:
So he could live there happily ever after with his
bride - Bess the Basilisk.

Why does Snape favour the Slytherin?


Vinnia

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From confusedandpronetowander at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 16 00:15:30 2004
From: confusedandpronetowander at hotmail.com (BelleDameSansMerci)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:15:30 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu78o5+70v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu7af2+b3hk@eGroups.com>

<<Why is the real reason that Firenze agreed to work for Dumbledore?>>

To see if anything will become of the obvious romantic tension 
burning between the two :P


Next Question:

What is the origin of a snake as slytherin's symbol? 

~Amber~





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 06:44:45 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:44:45 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040116032642.90676.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bu818t+omi2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Vinnia
<vinnia_chrysshallie at y...> wrote:

> Why does Snape favour the Slytherin?
> 
Because Dumbledore promised him the DADA job when Slytherin wins the
House Cup seven years in a row.

New Question:

Why does Mrs. Weasley always dress Ron in maroon?

~Annemehr





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 13:10:45 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:10:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Tracy!
Message-ID: <20040116131045.49015.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

*stumbles in, rubbing sleepy eyes, and starts blowing
up balloons and hanging streamers*

If someone wouldn't mind bringing the cake and
sandwiches in, I'd be very grateful. 

Today's birthday honouree is Tracy. Birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to:
neonsister at ameritech.net.

I hope your day is filled with fun and magic.

Happy Birthday, Tracy!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 16 13:47:28 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:47:28 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu818t+omi2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3dc37$485de190$8d667144@Einstein>

> New Question:
> 
> Why does Mrs. Weasley always dress Ron in maroon?
> 
> ~Annemehr

Iggy here:

Because she mis-heard him when he said that he really *loves* MACAROONS.


And, to make sure this question doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

>Next Question:
>
>What is the origin of a snake as Slytherin's symbol? 
>
>~Amber~

Because an earthworm, a garden slug, an elephant, and a House Elf didn't
look as cool bent into that neat "S" shape.  (Although he went through a
*lot* of Elephants and House Elves trying...)


Now one from me (it's a two parter):

What's Rita Skeeter's secret Animagus form, and why?


Iggy McSnurd






From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Fri Jan 16 13:57:16 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:57:16 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu818t+omi2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu8qjs+3irk@eGroups.com>

annemehr wrote:
> 
> New Question:
> 
> Why does Mrs. Weasley always dress Ron in maroon?
> 
> ~Annemehr


Tcy replies:

Because chartreuse, mauve, electric blue, hot pink, cerulean and 
yellow were already given to her other children!


Next:

Why is Neville so forgetful?






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jan 16 15:08:47 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:08:47 -0000
Subject: You might be a Harry Potter fanatic if...
In-Reply-To: <bu4f4e+8llr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu8upv+cadi@eGroups.com>

...you refer to your boss as Vernon;

...you call your customers (or suppliers) muggles;

...you refer to your country's leader as 'that Fudge' (or Voldemort);

...when someone mentions a news item you say 'but that's just what 
Rita Skeeter says';

...you say 'Swish and flick' every time you use the remote;

...you offer your children's guests the cupboard under the stairs to 
stay in;

...when driving, you reckon that if you just accelerate through that 
gap, weave between the telegraph pole and the Give Way sign, and do 
a 90 degree turn into the gap in the hedge you can grab the Snitch 
before the berk in a Merc.

David




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Jan 16 16:29:52 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:29:52 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu8qjs+3irk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu93i0+l056@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> 
wrote:

> Next:
> 
> Why is Neville so forgetful?

Errr.... sorry, what was the question again?

New one: 

Why couldn't Hagrid turn Dudley into a proper pig?


Pip




From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 16 17:27:23 2004
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (Martha)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:27:23 -0000
Subject: Potter Fanaticism and days to celebrate
Message-ID: <bu96tr+fmel@eGroups.com>

How about - you might be a Harry Potter fanatic when you get excited 
about February 1st being, apparently, "St Severus's Day", and you 
resolve to make potions to celebrate, even though St Severus's Day 
has nothing to do with potion making whatsoever? ;-)

http://www.123greetings.com/events/february2004.html

(Third thing down on February 1st.)

Other festivals you may be interested in celebrating during the month 
of February include, as you can see, Thumb Appreciation Day (18th), 
Banana Bread Day (23rd), Homemade Soup Day (4th), Thanks For A Great 
Valentine's Day Day (15th), Clean Out Your Computer Day (9th), and my 
personal favourite: Blame Someone Else Day (13th).

So... are these real festivals? Who chooses them? Could we make, say, 
February 17th Harry Potter For Grown-Ups Day, where everyone gives us 
gifts? Or could I declare May 30th, which happens to be my birthday,  
International Martha Day? 

Just a few thoughts...

~ Martha, happily contemplating how cool International Martha Day 
would be




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Jan 16 18:08:51 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:08:51 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu93i0+l056@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu99bj+vj5o@eGroups.com>

> 
> Why couldn't Hagrid turn Dudley into a proper pig?
> 

Ms. Tattersall:
Because he has too much respect for pigdom to include Dudley in it.

Why did Hermione want to take a class in Muggle Studies?






From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 20:45:52 2004
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:45:52 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu78o5+70v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu9ii0+h7po@eGroups.com>

> 
> Why is the real reason that Firenze agreed to work for Dumbledore?

Because Aberforth already had the goat.

CV




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Fri Jan 16 21:33:56 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:33:56 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu9ii0+h7po@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu9lc4+65b4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance" 
<constancevigilance at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Why is the real reason that Firenze agreed to work for Dumbledore?
> 
> Because Aberforth already had the goat.
> 
> CV


Tcy (trying to type through the tears) responds:

BWAAaaaaaaaahahahhaaaaaa!  Oh my gawd!!!!!  If there's a prize for 
this game...I vote you get it!  That was priceless!!!

Only one thing to add...you forgot to pose the next question - though 
I hardly think anyone will be able to top that answer!






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 16 21:39:40 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:39:40 -0600
Subject: Never trust a...
Message-ID: <000001c3dc79$3f81a380$8d667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Ok, since we're having so much fun with lists on this group lately,
here's another one... Although it has nothing to do with the HP world, I
thought it would be fun to play with anyhow...  (The first one occurred
to me at about 3am on a trip to the bathroom when I was half asleep and
glanced at the tube of toothpaste... that's what sparked this whole
thing...)

Iggy McSnurd


Never Trust A...


... company that makes toothpaste and hemorrhoid cream at the same
factory.

... company that manufactures condoms, pregnancy tests, and baby
formula.

... scout master who owns an adult bookstore.

... company that produces cigarettes and nicotine gum.

... company that makes hair mousse and depilatory cream in the same
factory.

... Asian restaurant next door to an animal shelter.

... orthodontist with dentures.

... hairdresser who shaves their head.

... airline pilot who owns a bar.

... marriage councilor who's a multiple divorcee.

... driving instructor in a neck brace.

... Jehovah's Witness who sells Amway.

... hospital next door to a funeral home.

... Amish man with a pager, cell-phone, and laptop computer.

... dentist who owns a candy store.




Any other ideas?

 




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 22:05:10 2004
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:05:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SCA, painful things
In-Reply-To: <000201c3db1c$3c01bd20$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <20040116220510.99789.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com>

Ansteorra is Texas-Oklahoma, The Shire of Blacklake is the Odessa-Midland area, in Texas.
 
Alex Fox

Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at charter.net> wrote:


My main question would be to ask where Ansteorra is located, as the only
ones I'm sure about are the Kingdoms of the West and Caid...





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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jan 16 23:09:18 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:09:18 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bu99bj+vj5o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bu9quu+fhpv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mstattersall" <cwood at t...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Why couldn't Hagrid turn Dudley into a proper pig?
> > 
> 
> Ms. Tattersall:
> Because he has too much respect for pigdom to include Dudley in it.
> 
> Why did Hermione want to take a class in Muggle Studies?

You know our Hermione - always looking for an easy "A".

What did Barty Crouch Jr. do after the dementor sucked out his soul?

 
  - CMC




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat Jan 17 07:20:32 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:20:32 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
References: <bu9quu+fhpv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c3dcca$6526c510$a6706751@kathryn>



> 
> What did Barty Crouch Jr. do after the dementor sucked out his soul?
> 
>> 

Got a job with the Inland Revenue (IRS)

Who's going to be the next DADA teacher?

K




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 23:41:27 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:41:27 EST
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
Message-ID: <3b.42862e36.2d39d0a7@aol.com>

>>...you offer your children's guests the cupboard under the stairs to 
stay in <<


Umm, I have a nice under-the-stairs cupboard that I have been thinking about 
converting to a "Harry Potter" guest room.  I'll have to get rid of a lot of 
boxes in there as well as  "Budweiser," "Michelob," and "Sony" electric signs, 
though. All are circa 1980.

Has anyone here done a "Harry under the stairs" room ?  

---Mary, who found a Harry Potter 3D windows tin today 


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 17 00:13:47 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:13:47 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <003f01c3dcca$6526c510$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <000001c3dc8e$c6acb560$8d667144@Einstein>

> > What did Barty Crouch Jr. do after the dementor sucked out his soul?
> >
> >>
> 
> Got a job with the Inland Revenue (IRS)
> 
> Who's going to be the next DADA teacher?
> 
> K

Iggy here:

I can answer in one word:  DOBBY!!!


Ok, next one:

What's Narcissa doing now that her husband is in Azkaban?


Iggy McSnurd






From illyana at mindspring.com  Sat Jan 17 00:32:43 2004
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:32:43 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dc8e$c6acb560$8d667144@Einstein>
References: <000001c3dc8e$c6acb560$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <AA6C5570-4884-11D8-99D8-000A95CE326E@mindspring.com>

> > Who's going to be the next DADA teacher?
> >
> > K
>
> Iggy here:
>
> I can answer in one word:? DOBBY!!!
>
>
> Ok, next one:
>
> What's Narcissa doing now that her husband is in Azkaban?

illyana here:

same answer: DOBBY!!! (ewwwwwwww)

next question:

what's the REAL reason hagrid got kicked out of hogwarts? (sorry, i was 
having trouble thinking up something.)

illyana

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From illyana at mindspring.com  Sat Jan 17 00:36:54 2004
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:36:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Never trust a...
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dc79$3f81a380$8d667144@Einstein>
References: <000001c3dc79$3f81a380$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <3F87BE93-4885-11D8-99D8-000A95CE326E@mindspring.com>

> Iggy wrote:
>
> Never Trust An...
>
> ... Amish man with a pager, cell-phone, and laptop computer.
>

illyana here:

Speaking of Amish laptops:

http://www.mystique.net/faq.html

illyana

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 01:21:22 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:21:22 -0000
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
In-Reply-To: <3b.42862e36.2d39d0a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bua2mi+k1ai@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:

> Umm, I have a nice under-the-stairs cupboard that I have been 
thinking about 
> converting to a "Harry Potter" guest room.  

That is SUCH a great idea.  If I were a kid I would love it--heck, 
I'd love it anyway.

Make sure you don't chase out all the spiders.

Amy Z




From editor at texas.net  Sat Jan 17 02:46:51 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:46:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SCA, painful things
References: <000201c3db1c$3c01bd20$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <003a01c3dca5$bad2d640$c558aacf@texas.net>

> Iggy here:
>
> My main question would be to ask where Ansteorra is located, as the only
> ones I'm sure about are the Kingdoms of the West and Caid...

Texas and Oklahoma. We are a child of old Atenveldt. Jan was the fourth
king, eons ago in 1980 or thereabouts.

>  I was a prime example of someone who was
> in the SCA for 6 years and had never been granted an Award of Arms
> because everyone just assumed I had one already.)

Oh, I know the type. Happens to a lot of the military folk here. Bjornsborg
is San Antonio. I hope someone caught up with you finally.

> (The heraldry of my device is: per pales, gules and sable.  A mullet of
> seven points, pierced, orr, between three de-crescents, argent.    In
> other words, on a heater shield, it's split top to bottom down the
> middle with red on the left side and black on the right.  A gold, seven
> pointed star with a hole in the middle is surrounded by three silver
> crescent moons with points to the right, one at each of the three
> corners of the shield.)

Please. I'm a herald. I presume you haven't been around long enough on the
list to have had to endure any of my tirades when people refer to the
Hogwarts "crest," etc.

Lovely device, if too many colors.  By all means keep it, unless you've a
better design you'd prefer.

Mine: Argent, an elephant passant purpure, armed and unguled Or, on a chief
embattled purpure three annulets Or.

~Amanda




From castorandpollux2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 04:37:48 2004
From: castorandpollux2002 at yahoo.com (castorandpollux2002)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 04:37:48 -0000
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
In-Reply-To: <3b.42862e36.2d39d0a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <buae6s+qhp7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> >>...you offer your children's guests the cupboard under the 
stairs to 
> stay in <<
> 
> 
> Umm, I have a nice under-the-stairs cupboard that I have been 
thinking about 
> converting to a "Harry Potter" guest room.  I'll have to get rid 
of a lot of 
> boxes in there as well as  "Budweiser," "Michelob," and "Sony" 
electric signs, 
> though. All are circa 1980.
> 
> Has anyone here done a "Harry under the stairs" room ?  
> 
> ---Mary, who found a Harry Potter 3D windows tin today 

My husband converted a useless overstuffed closet into a media 
entertainment center.  He put in a big shelf for CDs and he got all 
of the DVDs and tapes organized.  The vacuum cleaner still sits in 
there, which ruins the look.

Danielle




From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 05:24:21 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:24:21 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <AA6C5570-4884-11D8-99D8-000A95CE326E@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <buagu5+8q9o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, illyana delorean 
<illyana at m...> wrote:
> next question:
> 
> what's the REAL reason hagrid got kicked out of hogwarts? (sorry, i 
was 
> having trouble thinking up something.)
> 
> illyana

The Care of Magical Creatures professor was afraid Hagrid was gunning 
for his job.

next question:

How did Petunia learn about Azkaban?

Donna




From mariaalena at purdue.edu  Sat Jan 17 15:39:44 2004
From: mariaalena at purdue.edu (maralenenok)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:39:44 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bteqbg+n5e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bubl00+do40@eGroups.com>

Pshemekan quoted C.S. Lewis a while ago:
> When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and 
> would have been ashamed if I had been found doing 
> so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I 
> became a man I put away childish things, including 
> the fear of childishness and the desire to be very 
> grown up.

Annemehr replied:
> Ooooooo! That quote would go very well on the main 
> list homepage, if the mods were so inclined and could 
> find room for it!

That's a *great* idea for the home page, and it's finally been 
implemented. Come and take a look!

Maria Alena,
for the List Elves





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 16:21:14 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:21:14 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bubl00+do40@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bubndq+easg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "maralenenok"
<mariaalena at p...> wrote:
> Pshemekan quoted C.S. Lewis a while ago:
> > When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and 
> > would have been ashamed if I had been found doing 
> > so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I 
> > became a man I put away childish things, including 
> > the fear of childishness and the desire to be very 
> > grown up.

<snip>

> That's a *great* idea for the home page, and it's finally been 
> implemented. Come and take a look!
> 
> Maria Alena,
> for the List Elves

Hooray!  I love it!  Thanks, Pshemekan and List Elves!

Annemehr
big C.S. Lewis fan





From castorandpollux2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 16:06:57 2004
From: castorandpollux2002 at yahoo.com (castorandpollux2002)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:06:57 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Re: Adult readers who are dismissive about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <bubl00+do40@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bubmj1+m9ec@eGroups.com>

That's a great quoote.  It really expresses how I feel about Harry 
Potter, even though none of my friends understand it.  Thanks Maria.

Danielle

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "maralenenok" 
<mariaalena at p...> wrote:
> Pshemekan quoted C.S. Lewis a while ago:
> > When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and 
> > would have been ashamed if I had been found doing 
> > so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I 
> > became a man I put away childish things, including 
> > the fear of childishness and the desire to be very 
> > grown up.
> 
> Annemehr replied:
> > Ooooooo! That quote would go very well on the main 
> > list homepage, if the mods were so inclined and could 
> > find room for it!
> 
> That's a *great* idea for the home page, and it's finally been 
> implemented. Come and take a look!
> 
> Maria Alena,
> for the List Elves




From gromm at cards.lanck.net  Sat Jan 17 17:23:41 2004
From: gromm at cards.lanck.net (Maria Gromova)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:23:41 +0300
Subject: A Question to the Czech listmembers
Message-ID: <001701c3dd1e$a7f34040$3d41983e@rcomputer>


Some time ago I saw a Czech, or, probably, Slovakian Harry Potter site. Being Russian, I understood almost all without any translation, but I have some questions, and maybe Czechs on the group can help me. First, the surnames of the founders were translated, and I wonder what the translations actually mean, I didn't understand THEM. Hufflepuff was Mrzimor, Gryffindor Nebelvir, Ravenclaw Havraspar and Slytherin Zmijosel. Second, the last names of the female founders had a special appearance - Helga FROM Hufflepuff and Rowena FROM Ravenclaw. Is this the form that the names of all noble ladies have in Czech? I've seen this very form in some bad translated Czech guidebooks.
Maria.


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From andie at knownet.net  Sat Jan 17 18:17:38 2004
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:17:38 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buagu5+8q9o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bubu82+lhoo@eGroups.com>

 
> How did Petunia learn about Azkaban?
> 
> Donna



Once during a 3 day drill conference out in Edinburgh, Petunia met up 
with a handsome, dark-haired man known as Sirius Black.



Next Question:

What is the reason that Dolores Jane Umbridge kept putting Harry into 
detention for a week at a time?



Andrea




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 17 19:19:49 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:19:49 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bubu82+lhoo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3dd2e$e0c11450$8d667144@Einstein>

> Next Question:
> 
> What is the reason that Dolores Jane Umbridge kept putting Harry into
> detention for a week at a time?
> 
> Andrea
> 

Iggy here:

Because she's secretly trying to seduce him, and needs as much time as
she can get alone with him.


(Ok.. Now I need a steel wool pad for my brain to scour THAT image out
of my mind...)


Next question:

What's REALLY in the sealed room in the Ministry?




Iggy McSnurd
(Who isn't the answer to that last question, despite what some may
wish... *grin*)






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 17 19:49:36 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:49:36 -0600
Subject: FILK (sorta) RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?  (LONG)
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dd2e$e0c11450$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000101c3dd33$09c21210$8d667144@Einstein>

> Iggy here:
> 
> Because she's secretly trying to seduce him, and needs as much time as
> she can get alone with him.
> 
> 
> (Ok.. Now I need a steel wool pad for my brain to scour THAT image out
> of my mind...)
> 

Iggy here:

*sigh* Now that I have that stuck in my head, I went out and found an
on-line copy of the screenplay for "the Graduate" by Buck Henry and
rewrote the famous scene as a warped extension to the answer I gave
above...

Forgive me...  *chuckle*


Iggy McSnurd



The seduction scene from "the Graduate" by Buck Henry
(Twisted, warped, and revised by Iggy McSnurd.)


35	EXT. UMBRIDGE OFFICE - NIGHT

	The carriage comes to a stop in the Hogwarts driveway.  They sit
	for a moment.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Thank you.

				HARRY
		Right.

	She doesn't move.  Harry gets out and goes around to her side
	and opens the door.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Will you come in, please?

				HARRY
		What?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		I want you to come in till I get
		the lights on.

				HARRY
		What for?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Because I don't feel safe until
		I get the lights on.

	They move to the door.  She takes out her key and opens
	the door.

36	INT. UMBRIDGE HALL AND OFFICE - NIGHT

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Would you mind walking ahead of
		me to the desk.  I feel
		funny about coming into a dark
		office.

				HARRY
		But it's light in there now.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Please.

	Harry turns and walks down the hall.  They enter office.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		What do you drink?  Tea with Veritaserum?

				HARRY
		Look - I drove you home.  I was
		glad to do it.  But I have some
		things on my mind.  Can you
		understand that?

	She nods.

				HARRY
		All right then.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		What do you drink?

	He looks at her.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Harry - I'm sorry to be this
		way, but I don't want to be
		alone in this office.

				HARRY
		Why not?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Please wait till Filch
		gets here.

				HARRY
		When is he coming?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		I don't know.

	She pours herself a drink.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Drink?

				HARRY
		No.

	She hands him a drink.  There is a pause.

				HARRY
		Are you always this much afraid
		of being alone?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Yes.

				HARRY
		Well, why can't you just lock
		the doors and go to bed?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		I'm very neurotic.

	She turns on the phonograph.  SOUND of PHONOGRAPH.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		May I ask you a question?

	Harry looks at her.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		What do you think of me?

				HARRY
		What do you mean?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		You've known me nearly all of
		this term.  You must have
		formed some opinion.

				HARRY
		Well - I've always thought
		that you were a very - nasty -
		person.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Did you know I was an alcoholic?

				HARRY
		What?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Did you know that?

				HARRY
		Look - I think I should be
		going -

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Sit down, Harry.

				HARRY
		Mrs. Umbridge - if you don't
		mind my saying so - this
		conversation is getting a
		little strange.  Now I'm sure
		that Mr. Filch will be here
		any minute and -

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		No.

				HARRY
		What?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Argus Filch will be here quite
		late.

	They look at each other.  Harry is half standing.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		He should be gone for several
		hours.

	She takes a step toward him.  He puts his hand up and
	retreats around the other side of the chair.

				HARRY
		Oh my God.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Pardon?

				HARRY
		Oh no, Mrs. Umbridge, oh no.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		What's wrong?

				HARRY
		Mrs. Umbridge, you didn't -
		I mean you didn't expect -

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		What?

				HARRY
		I mean - you didn't really
		think that I would do something
		like that.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Like what?

				HARRY
		What do you think?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Well I don't know.

				HARRY
		For God's sake, Mrs. Umbridge,
		here we are, you've got me into
		your office.  You give me a
		drink.  You put on music, now
		you start opening up your
		personal life to me and tell
		me that Mr. Filch won't be here
		for hours.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		So?

				HARRY
		Mrs. Umbridge - you are trying
		to seduce me.

	There is a pause.  She looks at him.

				HARRY
			(weaker)
		Aren't you?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Why no.  I hadn't thought of it.
		I feel rather flattered that
		you -

				HARRY
		Mrs. Umbridge, will you forgive
		me for what I just said?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		It's all right.

				HARRY
		It's not all right, it's the
		worst thing I've ever said
		to anyone.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Sit down.

				HARRY
		Please forgive me.  Because I
		like you.  I don't think of you
		that way.  But I'm mixed up.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		All right.  Now finish your drink.

				HARRY
		Mrs. Umbridge, it makes me sick
		that I said that to you.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		We'll forget it right now.
		Finish your drink.

				HARRY
		What is wrong with me?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Have you ever seen Fudge's
		portrait?

				HARRY
		His portrait?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Yes.

				HARRY
		No.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		We had it done last Christmas.
		Would you like to see it?

				HARRY
		If you insist.

	We move with Mrs. Umbridge and Harry out of the office,
	into the hall, up the stairs and along the hall to
	the doorway to her bedroom.

37	INT. UMBRIDGE'S ROOM - NIGHT

	Harry moves into the room and looks up at the portrait.

				HARRY
		Fudge certainly is an
		bureaucratic man, isn't he?

	In the b.g. Mrs. Umbridge watches him.

				HARRY
			(looking at the
			portrait)
		I don't remember him as having
		brown eyes.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Harry?

				HARRY
		Yes?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Will you unzip my dress?

	He steps back.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		I think I'll go to bed.

				HARRY
		Oh.  Well, goodnight.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Won't you unzip my dress?

				HARRY
		I'd rather not, Mrs. Umbridge.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		If you still think I'm trying
		to seduce you -

				HARRY
		No, I don't.  But I just feel
		a little funny.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Harry - you've known me all
		This term.

				HARRY
		I know that.  But I'm -

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Come on.

	She turns her back.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		It's hard for me to reach.

	Harry reaches forward and pulls the zipper down.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Thank you.

				HARRY
		Right.

	Harry walks toward the door.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		What are you so scared of?

				HARRY
		I'm not scared, Mrs. Umbridge.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Then why do you keep running
		away?

				HARRY
		Because you're going to bed.  I
		don't think I should be up here.

	Mrs. Umbridge lets her dress fall to the floor.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Haven't you ever seen anybody
		in a slip before?

				HARRY
		Yes, Hermione, but -

	He looks up at the portrait of Fudge.

				HARRY
		But I just - Look - what if 
		Mr. Filch walked in right now?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		What if he did?

				HARRY
		Well, it would look pretty
		funny, wouldn't it?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Don't you think he trusts us
		together?

				HARRY
		Of course he does.  But he
		might get the wrong idea.
		Anyone might.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		I don't see why.  I'm eight times as
		old as you are.  How could
		anyone think -

				HARRY
		But they would!  Don't you see?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Harry - I'm not trying to
		seduce you.  I wish you'd -

				HARRY
		I know that.  But please, Mrs.
		Umbridge.  This is difficult
		for me.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Why is it?

				HARRY
		Because I am confused about
		things.  I can't tell what
		I'm imagining.  I can't tell
		what's real.  I can't -

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Would you like me to seduce you?

				HARRY
		What?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Is that what you're trying to
		tell me?

				HARRY
		I'm back to my dorm now.  I apologize
		for what I said.  I hope you can
		forget it.  But I'm going home
		right now.

	Harry walks out of the door and down the hall.  The
	CAMERA PUSHES with him to the door.  We see the entire
	stairway and part of the downstairs hall.  Harry gets to
	the stairs and starts down.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		HARRY?

				HARRY
		Yes.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		Will you bring up my purse before
		you go?

				HARRY
		I have to go now.  I'm sorry.

	Mrs. Umbridge walks into the hall.  Her back is to us.
	She is holding her dress in front of her.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		I really don't want to put this
		on again.  Won't you bring it
		up?

				HARRY
		Where is it?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		On that chair in the hall.

	She walks out of the shot.

				HARRY
		Mrs. Umbridge?

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		I'm in the bathroom.

				HARRY
		Well here's the purse.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		Could you bring it up?

				HARRY
		Well I'll hand it to you.

	Harry starts back up the stairs.

				HARRY
		Come to the railing and I'll
		hand it up.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		Harry - I am getting pretty
		tired of all this suspicion.
		Now if you won't do me a simple
		favor I don't know what.

	Harry appears as he slowly climbs the stairs.

				HARRY
		I'm putting it on the top step.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		For God's sake, Harry, will
		you stop acting that way and
		bring me the purse?

	Harry gets to the top of the stairs, and starts slowly
	down the hall.

				HARRY
		I'm putting it here by the door.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		Will you bring it in to me?

				HARRY
		I'd rather not.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE'S VOICE
		All right.  Put it in the room
		where we were.

				HARRY
		Right.

38	INT. UMBRIDGE'S ROOM - NIGHT

	Harry walks quickly into Umbridge's room, crosses to the
	bed and puts the purse down.  As he starts to turn
	back, he looks up at Fudge's portrait.  There is a
	movement reflected in the glass of the portrait.  He
	turns quickly.  Mrs. Umbridge, naked, is shutting the
	door to the bedroom behind her.

				HARRY
		Oh God.

	She smiles.

				HARRY
		Let me out.

	She turns the lock on the door.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Don't be nervous.

				HARRY
		Get away from that door.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		I want to say something first.

				HARRY
		Jesus Christ!

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Harry - I want you to know
		I'm available to you.  If you
		won't sleep with me this time -

				HARRY
		Oh my God.

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		If you won't sleep with me this
		time, Harry, I want you to
		know you can call me up any
		time you want and we'll make
		some kind of arrangement.

				HARRY
		Let me out!

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Do you understand what I said?

				HARRY
		Yes.  Yes.  Let me out!

				MRS. UMBRIDGE
		Because I find you very attractive
		and any time -

	There is the SOUND of a CARRIAGE in the driveway outside.
	Harry leaps at the door, pushes Mrs. Umbridge aside,
	struggles with the door, gets the door open, runs into
	the hall and down the stairs.






From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 20:12:46 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:12:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <1074367568.964.882.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040117201246.76681.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com>


Next question:

What's REALLY in the sealed room in the Ministry?


The last chapter of book 7.



Next question:

Why does Trelawney keep predicting death for Harry?

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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Jan 17 20:14:02 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:14:02 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dd2e$e0c11450$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <buc52a+6omo@eGroups.com>


> Next question:
> 
> What's REALLY in the sealed room in the Ministry?

 
A lifetime supply of duct tape.


Next question:

What is the most common use for a binding magical contract?


Pip





From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sun Jan 18 00:33:53 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:33:53 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buc52a+6omo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buck9h+rb7l@eGroups.com>

Pip:
> > Next question:
> > 
> > What's REALLY in the sealed room in the Ministry?
> 
>  
> A lifetime supply of duct tape.
> 

> Next question:
> 
> What is the most common use for a binding magical contract?
> 
> 
Sticking things together. All the duct tape is locked up at the 
Ministry.

Next question:

What do the Malfoys REALLY keep under their drawing room 
floor?

Pippin




From heidilist at tandys.org  Sun Jan 18 00:39:09 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:39:09 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buck9h+rb7l@eGroups.com>
References: <buck9h+rb7l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1074386353.297C44D5@s29.dngr.org>


On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 7:34pm, pippin_999 wrote:
>
> Next question:
>
> What do the Malfoys REALLY keep under their drawing room
> floor?

Draco Malfoy's primary school  drawings.

Next:

How does the food get onto the tables at the opening feast?


Heidi
Http://www.fictionalley.org



From boggles at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 18 00:47:29 2004
From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:47:29 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <1074386353.297C44D5@s29.dngr.org>
References: <buck9h+rb7l@eGroups.com> <1074386353.297C44D5@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <p05210603bc2f87eaa4a5@[192.168.1.100]>

At 4:39 PM -0800 1/17/04, Heidi Tandy wrote:
>
>Next:
>
>How does the food get onto the tables at the opening feast?



All the Weasley boys keep spilling it.


Why is Trelawney fond of the pink teacups?
-- 

  - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon			boggles(at)earthlink.net
"It is not knowledge, but the act of learning, not possession but the 
act of getting there, which grants the greatest enjoyment. "
	- Gauss, in a Letter to Bolyai, 1808.



From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 18 01:50:45 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:50:45 -0600
Subject: Just out of curiosity...
Message-ID: <000001c3dd65$7db6e740$8d667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I can't help but ask this question, since I'm kinda curious about it...

Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's detention question,
and the following post by me?


Iggy McSnurd






From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 01:51:12 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:51:12 EST
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
Message-ID: <194.23cf6f9a.2d3b4090@aol.com>

Amy Z writes:
>> That is SUCH a great idea.  If I were a kid I would love it--heck, I'd 
love it anyway.

Make sure you don't chase out all the spiders. <<

Mary here: 
    
    Actually some of the things that would have to come out of there are the 
boxes of Halloween stuff---including spiders in a variety of sizes and 
materials. <g>

---Mary, measuring the depth of the closet for a cot


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 18 01:59:50 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:59:50 -0600
Subject: A new collection  (WARPS)
Message-ID: <000101c3dd66$c24377b0$8d667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Well, in the vein of the scene rewrite I did from "the Graduate," I'm
going to start up a new collection.

Similar to Filks, I'd like to start a "Warps" collection.  A Filk is
where you re-write a song to fit a set world/genre.  Warps will be a
"screenplay" version where you warp a scene from a movie or TV show to
fit into a specific world/genre.  (WARPS - Writing A Revised Parody
Scene.  *grin*)

Send them into the list as you come up with them... I'll periodically
collect them into an archive for posting onto the OTC site...


Iggy McSnurd






From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 02:01:18 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:01:18 -0000
Subject: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dd65$7db6e740$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bucpde+ddbc@eGroups.com>

Iggy wrote:

> I can't help but ask this question, since I'm kinda curious about 
it...
> 
> Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's detention 
question,
> and the following post by me?

Yes.  Why do you ask?

Amy Z




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 02:16:53 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:16:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dd65$7db6e740$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <20040118021653.6842.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at charter.net> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> I can't help but ask this question, since I'm kinda
> curious about it...
> 
> Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's
> detention question,
> and the following post by me?

Yep, I've been putting all the Q&As in a Word Document
so when it all ends I can put it in the Files. (And by
the way, all of these have been great! I'm so glad I
brought up this idea, even if I'm not quick witted
enough to come up with any answers:P)
Were you just checking to see if everyone had read
your sick and twisted response?

Kathryn, who hopes she will eventually come up with a
clever answer...and if not hopes her sister, who just
joined the group, will(Hi Kerry!)

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From mariaalena at purdue.edu  Sun Jan 18 02:17:04 2004
From: mariaalena at purdue.edu (maralenenok)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:17:04 -0000
Subject: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dd65$7db6e740$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bucqb0+n1vg@eGroups.com>

Iggy here:
> Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's 
> detention question, and the following post by me?

Yes. But I think I suppressed the memory of reading it. Self-
inflicted Memory Charm and all that. 

Iggy, you *really* have to put warnings on that sort of thing. :-P

Maria




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 18 02:36:02 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:36:02 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <bucpde+ddbc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3dd6b$d06cb450$8d667144@Einstein>

> Iggy wrote:
> 
> > I can't help but ask this question, since I'm kinda curious about
> it...
> >
> > Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's detention
> question,
> > and the following post by me?
> 
> Yes.  Why do you ask?
> 
> Amy Z

Iggy here:

Like I said, I was just curious.

(To be honest, I think I was also expecting *some* reaction or
feedback...)


Iggy McSnurd






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 02:40:03 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:40:03 -0000
Subject: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dd65$7db6e740$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bucrm3+dm3g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd"
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> I can't help but ask this question, since I'm kinda curious about it...
> 
> Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's detention question,
> and the following post by me?
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

Yes, silly, just moments before this post I'm replying to (before that
I was on the main list babbling on about what's behind the locked door).

Anyway, you got *two* answers to you locked door question, you lucky
dog --er, coyote!

I think your new WARPS was a howl, even though I've never seen The
Graduate.  I especially liked Harry's one-word answers, it sounds just
like him.  I did avoid picturing Umbridge, though (concentrated hard
on Harry)!

Annemehr
who is sure she'll never have the talent to write a WARPS, unfortunately





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 18 02:42:40 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:42:40 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <bucqb0+n1vg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3dd6c$bdc274b0$8d667144@Einstein>

> Iggy here:
> > Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's
> > detention question, and the following post by me?
> 
> Yes. But I think I suppressed the memory of reading it. Self-
> inflicted Memory Charm and all that.
> 
> Iggy, you *really* have to put warnings on that sort of thing. :-P
> 
> Maria
> 

Iggy here:

Ok... I will.  Anything I head up with "WARP" will be something that's
warped... in both senses of the term.  *grin*


Iggy McSnurd

(Who can't wait to see what people may come up with.  WARP-ing, in my
intent of course, is taking the scene, and "plugging in" different names
and locations.  Milder in actual revision than a filk, but has the
potential to be a lot more disturbing.  *grin*)






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 18 02:57:07 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:57:07 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <bucrm3+dm3g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3dd6e$c290dac0$8d667144@Einstein>

> 
> Yes, silly, just moments before this post I'm replying to (before that
> I was on the main list babbling on about what's behind the locked
door).
> 
> Anyway, you got *two* answers to you locked door question, you lucky
> dog --er, coyote!
> 
> I think your new WARPS was a howl, even though I've never seen The
> Graduate.  I especially liked Harry's one-word answers, it sounds just
> like him.  I did avoid picturing Umbridge, though (concentrated hard
> on Harry)!
> 
> Annemehr
> who is sure she'll never have the talent to write a WARPS,
unfortunately
> 

Iggy here:

*grin* Thanks....

BTW: If you can write a Filk, you can probably WARP something.  Just
come up with a scene from a movie you like, and wonder what it would be
like with HP characters.  If it seems funny or deranged enough to you,
go for it.

It's actually a lot easier than you'd think.  I went and looked up the
screenplay on line, copied the pertinent scene, pasted it to Word, and
used the "replace' edit feature to swap the names of Harry and Umbridge
where appropriate.  That saved a LOT of time.  Then I went through and
did a point by point edit.  That whole thing took me less than 30
minutes to do.

Funny thing is, I was inspired by my answer to the detention question.
The first thing I thought was "Are you trying to seduce me, Mrs.
Umbridge?"  *snicker*


Iggy McSnurd






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 03:52:47 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:52:47 -0000
Subject: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <000501c3dd6e$c290dac0$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bucvuf+fqu9@eGroups.com>

Iggy wrote:
> It's actually a lot easier than you'd think.  I went and looked up the
> screenplay on line,

!!!

You can look screenplays up on line?

Annemehr
the possibilities are endless...




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 18 04:13:38 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:13:38 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <bucvuf+fqu9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3dd79$735e3140$8d667144@Einstein>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: annemehr [mailto:annemehr at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:53 PM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Just out of curiosity...
> 
> Iggy wrote:
> > It's actually a lot easier than you'd think.  I went and looked up
the
> > screenplay on line,
> 
> !!!
> 
> You can look screenplays up on line?
> 
> Annemehr
> the possibilities are endless...
> 


Iggy here:

Go to - http://www.movie-page.com/main.htm

They have a lot of scripts, and link you to other screenplay sites as
well.  (I've already picked my next scene... from the Breakfast Club.
*grin*)


Iggy McSnurd






From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Sun Jan 18 12:10:40 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (vinnia_chrysshallie)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:10:40 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <p05210603bc2f87eaa4a5@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <budt40+mrls@eGroups.com>

Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote:

> Why is Trelawney fond of the pink teacups?

Because they remind her of Severus Snape's blushing cheek after he 
told her she's the most beautiful girl he has ever seen.

Next:
What is Azkaban?


Vinnia




From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Sun Jan 18 12:45:43 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (vinnia_chrysshallie)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:45:43 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3dc37$485de190$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <budv5n+pr7l@eGroups.com>

I've already replied to Jennifer's question, but just to make sure 
that Iggy's question doesn't go unanswered:

> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> What's Rita Skeeter's secret Animagus form, and why?
> 

Vinnia:
A blast ended skrewt of course. She once heard a prophecy that either 
a fire crab or a manticore would vanguish the Dark Lord. Best to turn 
into a cross of the two.


Vinnia




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 13:32:53 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:32:53 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <budt40+mrls@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bue1u5+6ihl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "vinnia_chrysshallie" 
<vinnia_chrysshallie at y...> wrote:
> Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote:
> 
> > Why is Trelawney fond of the pink teacups?
> 
> Because they remind her of Severus Snape's blushing cheek after he 
> told her she's the most beautiful girl he has ever seen.
> 
> Next:
> What is Azkaban?

Azkaban is the wizard prison.  Located on an island in San Francisco 
Bay and protected by dangerous currents, the wizards who have been 
inmates there include such notorious criminals as Al Capone and 
Machine Gun Kelly, and Sirius Black, the only known escapee.

Next question:

Where did Gran Longbottom get her hat?

Debbie




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 18 15:06:21 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:06:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bue1u5+6ihl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3ddd4$a4d036a0$8d667144@Einstein>

> Next question:
> 
> Where did Gran Longbottom get her hat?
> 
> Debbie
> 

Iggy here:

It was a Christmas dinner that didn't quite work out, so she made it
into a hat.  After all, Gran doesn't waste ANYTHING.


Next question:

What's the relationship between Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle?



Iggy McSnurd







From heidilist at tandys.org  Sun Jan 18 15:36:27 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:36:27 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000101c3ddd4$a4d036a0$8d667144@Einstein>
References: <000101c3ddd4$a4d036a0$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <1074440190.3B8CCA5E@r31.dngr.org>


On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:07am, Iggy McSnurd wrote:
>
> What's the relationship between Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle?
>
>
>
They're cousins! Identical cousins and you'll find they laugh alike, 
they walk alike; at times they even talk alike.


Next:
What's the real reason Krum caught the Snitch at the QWC?

Heidi
Http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums



From neonsister at ameritech.net  Sun Jan 18 16:17:48 2004
From: neonsister at ameritech.net (neonsister at ameritech.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:17:48 -0000
Subject: A new collection  (WARPS)
In-Reply-To: <000101c3dd66$c24377b0$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <buebjc+lae7@eGroups.com>

I've decided to make WARPing and filking part of my New Year's 
resolutions.  I used to be quite prolific (before I knew there was a 
word - filk! - for what I was writing) at this when I was very 
involved in the X-Files internet culture; but I'm out of practice 
now.  I already have some HP song titles in my head...stay tuned!

Tracy 





From castorandpollux2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 15:06:16 2004
From: castorandpollux2002 at yahoo.com (castorandpollux2002)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:06:16 -0000
Subject: Just out of curiosity...
In-Reply-To: <000301c3dd6b$d06cb450$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bue7d8+9ef6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > Iggy wrote:
> > 
> > > I can't help but ask this question, since I'm kinda curious 
about
> > it...
> > >
> > > Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's detention
> > question,
> > > and the following post by me?
> > 
> > Yes.  Why do you ask?
> > 
> > Amy Z
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> Like I said, I was just curious.
> 
> (To be honest, I think I was also expecting *some* reaction or
> feedback...)
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

I know how you feel.  I mostly lurk because I don't know everyone 
yet and no one might answer me.  I like to read what others have to 
say though.

Danielle





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jan 18 18:17:17 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:17:17 -0000
Subject: new e mail addy
Message-ID: <bueijd+d24i@eGroups.com>

While my catlady @ wicca.net addy is broken, I'll use
catlady_de_los_angeles @ comcast.net *crosses toes that it doesn't
break too*




From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 18:26:17 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:26:17 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <1074440190.3B8CCA5E@r31.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <buej49+posi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <heidilist at t...> 
wrote:
> Next:
> What's the real reason Krum caught the Snitch at the QWC?

He was going to miss his ballet lesson if the QWC dragged on too long.

Next question:

Why does Dumbledore see himself holding socks in the Mirror of Erised?






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jan 18 18:50:05 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:50:05 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buej49+posi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buekgt+fi40@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bookraptor11"
<bookraptor11 at y...> wrote:

> Next question:
> 
> Why does Dumbledore see himself holding socks in the Mirror of Erised?

He has the finest sock collection in the whole of Britain, but is
still missing a pair of Elfrida Clegg socks ... that will complete his
collection. His war about Voldemort began when Voldie vandalized the
sock collection.




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 18:50:54 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:50:54 EST
Subject: Just out of curiosity...
Message-ID: <1e2.17a05c4b.2d3c2f8e@aol.com>

Iggy writes:
>> Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's detention question, and 
the following post by me? <<

Yes, I did but I preferred the suggestion to scour my brian. <g> I did read 
most of it and it is very well done---but UGH! 

---Mary, looking for scouring powder


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jan 18 19:03:00 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:03:00 -0000
Subject: Missing Punk Reference?
In-Reply-To: <btv75m+9835@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buel94+dbc6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grannybat84112"
<grannybat at h...> wrote:
> Can someone point me toward the URL that mentions Jo Rowling's 
> involvment with the punk rock movement of the '70s and '80s? My 
> search of The Leaky Cauldron's catalog of interviews turned up 
> nothing, and I *know* I've seen that cite online.

It's not an actual interview; it is the interviewer's recollection of
a previous interview:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2001/12/04/neva.DTL

<< Two years ago I interviewed J.K. Rowling and discovered, to my
delight, that Harry Potter's authorial mom was a punk-rock fan from
back in the day. We spent a half-hour sitting in a hotel restaurant
eating toast and drooling over Joe Strummer and other scrappy icons of
the '70s. (I think we were supposed to be discussing wizardry and its
discontents. So sue me.) >>





From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 19:09:26 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:09:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buej49+posi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040118190926.44195.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com>


--- bookraptor11 <bookraptor11 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why does Dumbledore see himself holding socks in the
> Mirror of Erised?
Well isn't it obvious? Everyone on the main list is
wrong. Dumbledore isn't Ron, he's Dobby!

Next Question:
Why did Dumbledore hire Gilderoy Lockhart?

And an old one that never got a response:
Why does Trelawney keep predicting death for Harry?

~Kathryn

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jan 18 19:23:10 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:23:10 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040118190926.44195.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <buemeu+2b7b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber
<katydid3500 at y...> wrote:

> And an old one that never got a response:
> Why does Trelawney keep predicting death for Harry?

True psychic that she is, she sees him marrying a man named Death (as
in Peter Death Bredon Wimsey, who said most people afflicted with the
name prefer to pronounce it to rhyme with 'teeth').




From gromm at cards.lanck.net  Sun Jan 18 20:47:57 2004
From: gromm at cards.lanck.net (Maria Gromova)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:47:57 +0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
References: <buemeu+2b7b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <079e01c3de04$d49cff00$9641983e@rcomputer>

> True psychic that she is, she sees him marrying a man named Death (as
> in Peter Death Bredon Wimsey, who said most people afflicted with the
> name prefer to pronounce it to rhyme with 'teeth').
Maria:
Oh! How pleasant to hear THIS name on the list! And Lord Peter was the only
person not to be ashamed of the right pronunciation, I think. But then, he
was an unusual man, and (regretfully) you don't meet many men like him.
Maria





From groups at e-dennis.net  Sun Jan 18 20:54:20 2004
From: groups at e-dennis.net (groups at e-dennis.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:54:20 -0500
Subject: FILK (sorta) RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?  (LONG)
In-Reply-To: <000101c3dd33$09c21210$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <E1AiJvt-0006e3-BX@kottonmouth.trouble-free.net>

Iggy here:

*sigh* Now that I have that stuck in my head, I went out and found an
on-line copy of the screenplay for "the Graduate" by Buck Henry and
rewrote the famous scene as a warped extension to the answer I gave
above...

Forgive me...? *chuckle*


Iggy McSnurd



The seduction scene from "the Graduate" by Buck Henry
(Twisted, warped, and revised by Iggy McSnurd.)


<snip to the worst part>

????? ????? ????? ????? MRS. UMBRIDGE
????? ????? I want to say something first.

????? ????? ????? ????? HARRY
????? ????? Jesus Christ!

????? ????? ????? ????? MRS. UMBRIDGE
????? ????? Harry - I want you to know
????? ????? I'm available to you.? If you
????? ????? won't sleep with me this time -

????? ????? ????? ????? HARRY
????? ????? Oh my God.

????? ????? ????? ????? MRS. UMBRIDGE
????? ????? If you won't sleep with me this
????? ????? time, Harry, I want you to
????? ????? know you can call me up any
????? ????? time you want and we'll make
????? ????? some kind of arrangement.

????? ????? ????? ????? HARRY
????? ????? Let me out!

????? ????? ????? ????? MRS. UMBRIDGE
????? ????? Do you understand what I said?

????? ????? ????? ????? HARRY
????? ????? Yes.? Yes.? Let me out!

????? ????? ????? ????? MRS. UMBRIDGE
????? ????? Because I find you very attractive
????? ????? and any time -

<more snipping> 


Now Dennis:

Ow!  My brain.  I can't believe I read the whole thing.  What *was* I
thinking?

The only way it could be worse: if it were McGonagall and Filch and you'd
tossed in a bit about the beady eyes of Mrs. Norris glowing in the corner,
watching...

Ewww!

Dennis

From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 00:24:29 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:24:29 -0000
Subject: Yo mama / Redneck Wizard Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bu480m+sn7d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buf83t+q3t7@eGroups.com>

*****\(@@)/*****

You might be a redneck wizard if your portkey is a Budwieser can.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, neonsister at a... wrote:
> I'm loving these!  Here's one I came up with:
> 
> You might be a redneck wizard if... your Patronus takes the form 
of a 
> John Deere tractor.
> 
> Tracy *thinking up some more*




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 00:32:44 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:32:44 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buekgt+fi40@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buf8jc+ginf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bookraptor11"
> <bookraptor11 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Next question:
> > 
> > Why does Dumbledore see himself holding socks in the Mirror of 
Erised?
> 
> He has the finest sock collection in the whole of Britain, but is
> still missing a pair of Elfrida Clegg socks ... that will complete 
his
> collection. His war about Voldemort began when Voldie vandalized 
the
> sock collection.

*****\(@@)/*****

Now mine: He just mail ordered from Patternworks a new pair of Addi 
Turbo knitting needles, several skeins of Regisa yarn, created a new 
pattern from the Sock Wizard CD and is very proud of his new 
creation!




From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Mon Jan 19 02:00:52 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (vinnia_chrysshallie)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:00:52 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040118190926.44195.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bufdok+nqdt@eGroups.com>

Kathryn Wolber wrote:

> Next Question:
> Why did Dumbledore hire Gilderoy Lockhart?

Vinnia:
He was blackmailed by Lockhart's publisher. They need all Hogwarts' 
students to buy the complete set so the books would remain in the 
best seller list.

Next:
Tell me 2 uses of dragon blood.


Vinnia




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 04:01:20 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:01:20 -0600
Subject: WARP - Young Frankenstein
Message-ID: <000001c3de40$e931e3e0$8d667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Ok all... Here's another WARP from yours truly.  It's from Young
Frankenstein, and is the scene from the theatre with the musical number.

One little note:  This excerpt is from the original, first draft of the
script, so it doesn't mesh with the movie 100%.  On the good side, it
still works for the intent of the WARP.

More on the way...

Iggy McSnurd



>From "Young Frankenstein" by Gene Wilder
(WARPed, twisted and revised by Iggy McSnurd)





105	EXT. HOGWARTS - NIGHT
105

	A poster reads:

				HOGWARTS SCHOOL THEATRE

				     Tonight Only

				     DRACO MALFOY

					  in

			 "THE GREATEST DISCOVERY SINCE FIRE"

			   Presented in Cooperation With

					   H C S

		     		(Hogwarts Creature Society)

	     A "SOLD OUT" sticker is pasted across the poster.

	
CUT TO:

106	INT. GREAT HALL - NIGHT
106

	The audience is filled with ELDERLY WIZARDS AND WITCHES, 
	STUDENTS, and THE CURIOUS from the upper crust in society.

	All are elegantly dressed in cheap theatrical company wardrobe.

107	PANSY
107

	in a formal, and Crabbe -- in "something" -- wait excitedly.

108	DRACO
108

	stands on a stage, dressed in dress robes.

	
Cont.

	
78

	
108 Cont.

					DRACO
			And now, my fellow students and
			guests...I must ask you to
			...suspend belief.
			For up until now, you have seen the
			Creature perform the simple mechanics
			of motor activity.  That this Creature
			was an inanimate blob, which I endowed
			with the secret of life -- yes!...in
			all honesty -- that showed some measure
			of skill on my part.
			But for what you are about to see
			next...we must enter -- quietly --
			into the realm of genius.  I say
			this modestly, only because I am,
			myself, as in awe of the gifts I
			possess as if I were observing them
			in some other person.  I think of
			them, only, as a loan.  Grateful, of
			course...that my credit is good.
			Thus, with the accumulated knowledge
			of Potions, Transfigurations, Charms...
			and art...I now present
			what was once an inarticulate mass
			of lifeless tissues.
			Ladies and gentlemen...
			Mesdames et Messieurs...
			Damen und Herren...The Creature!

	Draco sits down at a beautiful grand piano.  He plays a
	short trill up the keyboard.

109	ANOTHER ANGLE
109

	as A SPOTLIGHT hits the darkness next to him.

	And there -- IN BLACK DRESS ROBES -- stands Goyle.
	he is heavily made up.

					DRACO
				(playing the piano
				and singing)
			If you're blue and you
			don't know where to
			go to, why don't you...

	Goyle accompanies the music with short, simple
	"Soft Shoe" steps.

					DRACO
			...go where fashion
			sits.........................

	
Cont.

	
79

	
109 Cont.

					GOYLE
			Poo -- tmmm anngh ma Ritz!

					DRACO
			Diff'rent types who wear
			a day coat, pants
			with stripes and cutaway
			coat, perfect
			fits.........................

					GOYLE
			Poo -- tmmm anngh ma Ritz!

					DRACO
			Dressed up like a
			million dollar
			piece of art
			Trying hard to
			look like Guilderoy
			Lockhart.

					GOYLE
			Soo -- pah doo -- per.

	The Audience's faces are absolutely blank.  Pansy and
	Crabbe are thrilled.

					DRACO
			Come let's mix where Rock-
			e -- fellers walk
			with sticks or 'um-ber-
			el-las' in their
			mitts.........................

					GOYLE

			Poo -- tmmm anngh ma Ritz!

	Goyle gets a tomato right in the face.  He stops cold.

					DRACO

			Dressed up like a
			million dollar
			piece of art
			Trying hard to
			look like Guilderoy
			Lock -- hart.

	An EMBARRASSING PAUSE.

					DRACO
				(to Goyle)
			That's your cue.  Go on!

	
Cont.

	
80

	
109 Cont.1

					GOYLE
			MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm.

					DRACO
				(trying to cover)
			...Su-per du-per.
			Come let's mix where Rock-
			e-fellers walk
			with sticks or 'um-ber-
			el-las' in their
			mitts.........................

	Goyle knows it's his cue:  he just looks at Draco.

					GOYLE
			MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm!

					DRACO
			For  God's sake -- go on!  Are you
			trying to make me look like a fool.
			Sing, you amateur!  Sing!!

	Goyle gets a raw egg in his face.

					AUDIENCE
			Booooo!
			Get him off!
			Fake!
			What else can your toy do?

					DRACO
			Fake??  You stupid idiots...you call
			my creation a fake???  What do you
			know about truth?  You're the fakes!
			All of you!  I wouldn't come to you
			with a hang-nail.

	Goyle gets another tomato in his face.

					GOYLE
			MMMMMMMMMM!
			MMMMMMMMMMMM!

					DRACO
				(running to him)
			Wait!  Stop!  Don't give them the
			satisfaction.  I know it's tough,
			but look at how far we've come!
			Are you going to throw it all
			away now??

	Goyle thinks, as the tomato drips down his face.
	He is touched by Draco's reasoning, but still burning
	with resentment.

	
Cont.

	
81

	
109 Cont.2

					GOYLE
			MMMmmmmmm.

					DRACO
			Don't you think I know that?  But
			what are you judging by?  Hogsmeade???
			This was always a hick town.  They
			can't get a 'Carriage and Wagon' company
			to come in here.  Are you going to
			let these idiots get the best of you?
			...Or are you going to stand up like
			a man and show them that you've got
			more dignity in your little finger
			than they've got in all their butterbeer-
			bloated bodies put together?

	Goyle considers this plea for a moment.  Then gives
	Draco a colossal W H A C K and jumps into the Audience.

110	THE AUDIENCE
110

	screams and scatters for the exits.

	PANDEMONIUM.

					DRACO
				(as he picks himself up
				off the stage floor)
			I chose the wrong song.

						





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 04:35:13 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:35:13 -0600
Subject: WARP - The Breakfast Club
Message-ID: <000101c3de45$a4878380$8d667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Ok. This one was a little more interesting to revise.  It's mostly the
characters, even though some of the continuity might not match.  (For
example, I know that Cedric died before Umbridge came to the school, and
Harry's not as much of an ass as Harry can be, and Brian is a guy where
Hermione is a girl. but the images are great, so I had to use them.
*grin*)

Iggy McSnurd

(Who has sparked a hobby for himself at least as fun as filking.)



>From "the Breakfast Club"
written and directed by John Hughes
(WARPed by Iggy McSnurd)

Cast:

Umbridge = Vernon, the Principal
Harry = Bender, the Rebel
Hermione = Brian, the Brain
Cedric = Andrew, the Jock
Cho = Claire, the Princess
Luna = Allison, the Nutcase



10. INT. LIBRARY - DAY

	Hermione looks up.  Harry is messing with the door to the
library.

					HERMIONE
			Harry, that's, that's school
			property there...you know, it doesn't
			belong to us.  It's something not to
			be toyed with.

	The door slams shut.  Harry runs back to his seat.

					CEDRIC
			That's very funny, come on, fix it!

					HERMIONE
			You should really fix that!

					HARRY
			Am I a genius?

					CEDRIC
			No, you're an asshole!

					HARRY
			What a funny guy!

					CEDRIC
			Fix the door Harry!

					HARRY
			Everyone just shhh!
	
CUT TO:

11. INT. HALLWAY - DAY

	We see Umbridge walking back to her office.  She stops and
	listens to them through the closed door.

					HARRY (OS)
			I've been here before, I know what
			I'm doing!

					CEDRIC (OS)
			No!  Fix the door, get up there and
			fix it!

					HARRY (OS)
				(screams)
			Shut up!
	
CUT TO:

12. INT. LIBRARY - DAY

	We see Hermione as we hear Umbridge in the hall.

					UMBRIDGE (OS)
			God damnit!

	She opens the door and storms in.

					UMBRIDGE
			Why is that door closed?

	For a few seconds no one says anything, they just stare
	at Umbridge.

					UMBRIDGE
			Why is that door closed?

					HARRY
			How're we s'posed to know?  We're
			not s'posed to move, right?

	Umbridge turns to Cho.

					UMBRIDGE
			Why?

					CHO
			We were just sitting here, like we
			were s'posed to...

	Umbridge looks around and looks at Harry.

					UMBRIDGE
			Who closed that door?

					HARRY
			I think a screw fell out of it...

					CEDRIC
			It just closed, sir...

	Umbridge looks at Luna in the back.

					UMBRIDGE
			Who?

	Luna lets out a squeak and slams her face onto the
	table, hiding in her cloak hood.

					HARRY
			She doesn't talk, sir...

					UMBRIDGE
				(to Harry)
			Give me that screw...

					HARRY
		I don't have it...

					UMBRIDGE
			You want me to yank you outta that
			seat and shake it out of you?

					HARRY
			I don't have it...screws fall out
			all of the time, the world's an
			imperfect place...

					UMBRIDGE
			Give it to me, Harry...

					CHO
			Excuse me, ma'am, why would anybody
			want to steal a screw?

					UMBRIDGE
				(to Cho)
			Watch it, young lady...

	Umbridge goes over to the door.  She tries to hold it open
	by putting a rubbish bin in front of it.

					HARRY
			The door's way too heavy, ma'am.

	The door slams shut despite the bin.

					UMBRIDGE (OS)
			God damnit!

	They laugh.

	Umbridge opens the door again.  She comes back in.

					UMBRIDGE
				(pointing)
			Cedric Diggory...get up here.  Come on,
			front and center, let's go.

	Andrew gets up and walks over to Umbridge.

					HARRY
			Hey, how come Andrew gets to get up?
			If he gets up, we'll all get up,
			it'll be anarchy!

	Umbridge and Andrew are now attempting to move the wrought iron
	scroll rack in front of the door.

					UMBRIDGE
		Okay, now, watch the scrolls!

					HARRY
			It's out of my hands...

	They get it into the doorway and it blocks the entire
	door.

					HARRY
			That's very clever ma'am, but what if
			there's a fire?  I think violating
			fire codes and endangering the
			lives of children would be unwise
			at this juncture in your career, ma'am.

	Umbridge thinks about it.  She turns to Andrew.

					UMBRIDGE
			Alright, what are you doing with
			this?  Get this outta here for God's
			sake!  What's the matter with you?
			Come on!

					HERMIONE
			You know the school comes equipped
			with fire exits at either end of the
			library.

	Hermione points at them and Harry glares at her.

					HARRY
				(to HERMIONE)
			Show Dolores some respect!

	Andrew and Umbridge come back into the main section of
The library.

					UMBRIDGE
				(to Andrew)
			Let's go...go!  Get back into your
			seat.

	Andrew sits.

					UMBRIDGE
				(to Andrew)
			I expected a little more from a
			Quidditch captain!
				(to Harry)
			You're not fooling anybody, Harry!
			The next screw that falls out is
			gonna be you!

	Umbridge turns to leave.

					HARRY
				(under his breath)
			Eat my shorts...

	Umbridge spins in her tracks and faces Harry again.

					UMBRIDGE
			What was that?

					HARRY
				(loudly)
			Eat my shorts!

					UMBRIDGE
			You just bought yourself another
			Saturday, mister!

					HARRY
			Oh, Christ...

					UMBRIDGE
			You just bought one more right
			there!

					HARRY
			Well, I'm free the Saturday after
			that...beyond that, I'm gonna have
			to check my calendar!

					UMBRIDGE
			Good!  'Cause it's gonna be filled,
			we'll keep goin'!  You want another
			one?  Say the word, just say the
			word!  Instead of going to prison,
			you'll come here!  Are you through?

					HARRY
			No!

					UMBRIDGE
			I'm doing society a favor!

					HARRY
			So?

					UMBRIDGE
			That's another one, right now!  I've
			got you for the rest of your natural
			born life if you don't watch your
			step!  You want another one?

					HARRY
			Yes!

					UMBRIDGE
			You got it!  You got another one,
			right there!  That's another one
			pal!

					CHO
				(worried)
			Cut it out!

	Cho mouths the word "Stop" to Harry.

					UMBRIDGE
			You through?

					HARRY
			Not even close, bitch!

					UMBRIDGE
			Good!  You got one more, right
			there!

					HARRY
			Do you really think I give a shit?

					UMBRIDGE
			Another...

	Harry glares at her.

					UMBRIDGE
			You through?

					HARRY
			How many is that?

					HERMIONE
			That's seven including the one when
			we first came in and you asked Mrs.
			Umbridge here whether Granny Longbottom
			knew that she raided her closet.

					UMBRIDGE
				(to Harry)
			Now it's eight...
				(to HERMIONE)
			You stay out of it!

					HERMIONE
			Excuse me, ma'am, it's seven!

					UMBRIDGE
			Shut up, Peewee!
				(to Harry)
			You're mine Harry...for two months
			I gotcha!  I gotcha!

					HARRY
			What can I say?  I'm thrilled!

					UMBRIDGE
			Oh, I'm sure that's exactly what you
			want these people to believe.  You
			know something, Harry?  You ought
			to spend a little more time trying
			to do something with yourself and a
			little less time trying to impress
			people.  You might be better off.
				(to everyone)
			Alright, that's it!  I'm going to
			be right outside those doors.  The
			next time I hafta come in here...I'm
			cracking skulls!  (Harry mouths "I'm
			cracking skulls")

	Umbridge leaves and closes the door.  A musical riff
	builds to a climax as Harry screams.

					HARRY
				(screams)
			Fuck you!







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 05:12:32 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:12:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WARP - The Breakfast Club
In-Reply-To: <000101c3de45$a4878380$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000201c3de4a$dcdb1f80$8d667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Well, I've been reprimanded for some of the language in that Breakfast
Club WARP.  I'll keep an eye on it more closely in the future. I figured
that it would be ok to keep in since it's part of the original script...
and this is a group of adults that I felt could take it in the intent
and perspective it's meant in.  

If anyone was offended by it, I apologize.  (If you weren't offended,
and enjoyed the scene, thanks.  *grin*)


Iggy McSnurd







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jan 19 12:50:13 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:50:13 -0000
Subject: A new collection  (WARPS)
In-Reply-To: <000101c3dd66$c24377b0$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bugjq5+c6l9@eGroups.com>

> Iggy here:
> 
> Well, in the vein of the scene rewrite I did from "the Graduate," 
I'm
> going to start up a new collection.

> Send them into the list as you come up with them... I'll 
periodically
> collect them into an archive for posting onto the OTC site...

You might want to look at the last para of
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/26605

Not based on any specific script but you get the idea.

David






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jan 19 12:58:14 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:58:14 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bufdok+nqdt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bugk96+sa3j@eGroups.com>

Vinnia:
> Tell me 2 uses of dragon blood.

Blood transfusions for dragons;
Paint for 'Changing Rooms'.

Why did Dumnbledore's eyes gleam?

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jan 19 13:40:34 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:40:34 -0000
Subject: Some musings on list volume (was Just out of curiosity...)
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dd65$7db6e740$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bugmoi+klnh@eGroups.com>

> Iggy here:
> 
> I can't help but ask this question, since I'm kinda curious about 
it...
> 
> Did anyone happen to see my answer to the Harry's detention 
question,
> and the following post by me?

The following may seem a bit tedious, but the phenomenon of posting 
and not getting any response gets mentioned here regularly, so I 
thought I'd talk about it.

First, a personal response: No, I didn't see it, until 24 hours 
after you asked that question, itself 6 hours after the 'Warp' 
post.  That sort of time lapse is quite normal for me, and, I get 
the impression, many other list members.

For me, the lesson from this is to continually seek to slow the 
lists down.  Judging by the way people apologise when they come late 
to a thread, many list members feel pressured to respond within a 
few hours or not at all.  Quite honestly, I think this is ridiculous.

There is no shame whatsoever in responding a week or two, or even 
more, after a post has been made.  Let me repeat that.  There is 
*no* shame *whatsoever* in taking a long time over responding to 
threads.  It's not a symptom of unpunctuality, or rudeness, or 
sociopathy.  It merely shows there is life outside the internet, and 
that our thought processes are not instantaneous.

Second, a temporal point.  I have not analysed this weekend's list 
volume (a single weekend is hard to deduce much from anyway), but in 
the run-up to OOP release I tracked main and OT list volume on a 
daily basis.  There is a very definite weekly cycle.  Thursday 
evening through Friday (GMT) is usually the busiest time on the 
lists; Sunday and Monday are the least busy.  I think this just 
reflects people's commitments.  Towards the end of the working week 
people are unwinding more in the late afternoon and evenings, 
whether at work or at home, and lurk and post more.  During the 
weekend, they organise RL things away from the internet, and 
disappear offline.  Also, some people join the chat and put their 
energies into that.  As a consequence, if you post on a Saturday or 
Sunday, you will get a slower response.

All the above said, however, it's worth thinking about the 
underlying dynamics of the lists.  Suppose there are about 50 of us 
who post regularly to OTC here - I think that number's not far off.  
If all of us are posting equally, then we are presumably getting 
about 2% of people's attention.  That feeds through to the number of 
replies you can expect.  It's not physically possible for me to 
respond to every post that in theory I'd like to.  If we all 
suddenly got more time to post, we could all respond more.  Result: 
more posts to respond to, and the proportion of posts that get a big 
response remains exactly the same.

A similar kind of calculation ultimately limits offlist interaction, 
too.

The only ways to increase your share of people's attention is to 
have a smaller list, or to somehow get yourself into a privileged 
position, as an administrator, or as a particularly funny, creative, 
or prolific poster.

I believe personally that the desire on the part of the individual 
listie to increase 'market share' of list attention lies behind the 
bulk of list dynamics.  It's what drives flame wars, administrative 
falling-outs, inspired posting, drive-by posting, bursts in list 
volume, the rise and fall of 'big name fans', the creation 
of 'intimate' new lists, and much else.

All of us, in our hearts, aim at that desired end state where we can 
bask in a circle of admiration and affection.  And all of us, if we 
could, would like to be in the situation where admiration and 
affection transmitted are less - often much much less - than that 
received.  And, put like that, it can't happen.  The only question 
is whether we choose to deny that desire for the sake of the common 
good, or have it denied for us by the chaos that results when we 
give way to it.

Here endeth the sermon.

David




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Mon Jan 19 14:29:13 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:29:13 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bugk96+sa3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bugpjp+q1b0@eGroups.com>

"davewitley" wrote:
> 
> Why did Dumnbledore's eyes gleam?
> 
> David

It was a type-o...they didn't 'gleam'...they were 'green'.  The spell 
is hard to keep up somtimes...he's not Ron...or Dobby...he's really 
HARRY!

Next question:

Why is Neville so good at Herbology?


Tcy
(who really enjoys the humor threads on OTC)




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Jan 19 15:13:25 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:13:25 -0000
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
Message-ID: <bugs6l+3mtp@eGroups.com>



Not content with a school choir with toad accompaniment, 
further perversions of the canon should be expected in the
film version of PoA.

A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
purchased and would feature in the film.

Why am I getting a bad feeling about this?

Kneasy




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 16:23:53 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (erinellii)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:23:53 -0000
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <bugs6l+3mtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buh0ap+dlvo@eGroups.com>

 "arrowsmithbt"  wrote:
>  Not content with a school choir with toad accompaniment, 
> further perversions of the canon should be expected in the
> film version of PoA.
> 
> A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
> that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
> purchased and would feature in the film.
> 
> Why am I getting a bad feeling about this?
> 
> Kneasy


Oh, Kneasy, you're gonna love this, then.  This is from an interview 
with the director posted at the Leaky cauldron a couple dys ago:

*************************************************************
Re: whether JKR is cool with him the cosmetic of her world):

C: Really cool. She actually encouraged me: ''Please don't be 
literal.'' At the same time, we wrote a scene where there was this 
organ, and tiny people were jumping on the keyboards. She 
said, ''Nope, no tiny people at Hogwarts.''
****************************************************************


I read that and went "Huh?" 

They wrote a scene with tiny people jumping on a keyboard?

Why in the hell would you want to...

Oh, never mind, at least it was stopped.

But, all in all, I'm cautiously optimistic.  I just won't *expect* it 
to be literal, and won't waste mental energy grumbling over what they 
change.  In fact, maybe I'll pretend I've never read the book, and 
that this is a totally new story to me.  Then I'll judge on whether 
it is a good movie or not, and not how faithful it is to the book.  I 
don't consider the movies canon anyways.  And hopefully it will be, 
as they've stated they want it to, faithful to the "spirit" of the 
book.

But, boy, am I ever glad we won't be subjected to little people 
jumping on keyboards :-)

Erin




From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 17:47:44 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (wormtails_a_water_goblet)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:47:44 -0000
Subject: WARPS- Parody from Liar, Liar
Message-ID: <buh580+bpfp@eGroups.com>

As my first contribution to the list, I would like to share this 
WARPS with everyone.  It centers around Ron and, while he is one of 
my favorite characters (just ask my sister--Hi Katie!), I just 
couldn't resist.

EXT. HOGWART'S GROUNDS - MORNING
HERMIONE and GINNY are on their way to Hagrid's Hut for a visit.
GINNY: Is RON meeting us down here?
HERMIONE: No, I'm sorry, GINNY, He can't make it. 
GINNY is disappointed.
GINNY: I guess my wish didn't come true. 
HERMIONE: What wish?
GINNY: I wished that, for just one day, RON couldn't tell a lie.
GINNY heads toward Hagrid's Hut. Hermione is deeply moved.
INT. GRYFFIDOR COMMON ROOM
Ron sticks his head into the fireplace.
RON: Answer, answer, answer...
INTERCUT WITH HAGRID'S FIREPLACE
HERMIONE: Hello Ron.
RON: Hermione and Ginny, let me explain. Something has happened to me-
HERMIONE: Ron, something else is about to happen to you.
RON: What do you mean?
HERMIONE: Viktor and I are moving to Bulgaria.
RON: What?!
HERMIONE: Victor asked me to marry him.  He wants me to fly with
him this weekend to tell his parents. And I'm going to go.  I 
obviously don't have any reason to stay here.
RON: (panicking) Wait, you can't move! If you go away... I'll 
practically never see you.
HERMIONE: Well then you'll have pretty much the same relationship we  
have now.
RON: Hermione, please.... Is this because of what I said before the 
Yule Ball?
HERMIONE: That was the straw and this is the hippogriff's back saying
Goodbye.
RON: Where are you going?
HERMIONE: Heading to Hogsmeade.
RON: When you get there, go to the Three Broomsticks and stay there. 
I'll be right over. We have to talk.
HERMIONE: Ron--
RON: I'll be right- there!
He pulls his head out and heads for the portrait hole. It opens and 
FLEUR
is standing there.
RON: (CONT'D) Aaaah!
FLEUR: Ron. Ron, Ron, Ron. I must confess-- after last night's 
incident, I
was. . . hurt. So hurt. I was tempted to do whatever little things 
lie in my power to scuttle your chances of making prefect.
Ron is FRIGHTENED.
FLEUR (CONT'D): But then I thought, "No, that's not fair. Ron didn't 
mean to insult me." (Straightening his robes) "It was just some 
massive, boneheaded misunderstanding, and Ron is very, very sorry." 
Ron smiles. It looks like he's off the hook, until--
FLEUR (CONT'D): Isn't that right, Ron?
RON:  (in agony) Uh -- not really, no.
FLEUR: (stunned, angry) No? No?! What are you saying? Have you no 
respect for me?!
RON: None, whatsoever. I mean, I'd like to respect you, and if it 
weren't for your mistreatment of the champions, your rudeness to the 
students, and the
fact that your work sucks, I would.
FLEUR: But -- what about last night?
RON: I was afraid you wouldn't support my prefect-ship if I turned 
you down. Plus, I have an immature need for sexual conquests.
INT. HALLWAY OF HOGWART'S - MORNING
We HEAR A SMACK!  -- And a furious Fleur stalks off.  Ron rubs his 
freshly SLAPPED FACE.
INT. HOGWARTS
Ron speeds down the hallway. He pulls the blue quill from his pocket.
RON: Gotta focus. . . gotta focus.
He's so preoccupied that he speeds past and hits MALFOY.
RON: The color of the quill is -- red! 
But he hasn't regained the ability to lie -- he's referring to the 
RED liquid he just ran through, nearly colliding with a 6th year 
student from Slytherin. The 6th year screams

6TH YEAR: What's your problem, schmuck?!
RON: (the truth) I' m an inconsiderate pr**k!
Ron hexes the student and once again focuses on the blue quill.
RON (CONT'D): C'mon, you can do this! The color of the quill is -- 
RED!
This time he's referring to the red eyes of SNAPE ahead of him in the 
hallway.
RON: S**t!!
Ron stops.  SNAPE strolls up.
SNAPE: Do you know why I stopped you?
RON: Depends on how long you were watching me.
SNAPE: Why don't we take it from the top.
RON: (in agony) Here goes -- I went into the forbidden third floor 
corridor to find the sorcerer's stone, I stole my father's Ford 
Anglia, I crashed into the whomping willow, I cursed Malfoy (even 
though I spat up slugs), I went into the forbidden forest to find a 
huge spider, I caused Lockhart to lose his memory (even though it was 
his fault), I went to the Shrieking Shack with Sirius Black (well, 
was dragged there), I copied my Divination Homework, I tried to think 
of a way to get my name into the goblet of fire, I gave Dobby clothes 
for Christmas, I pissed off Hermione, I messed around with Fleur 
Delacour, and I ran away  from my disgruntled lover while sliding 
through a red potion and hexing a Slytherin.
A long moment passes.
SNAPE: May I see your wand?
RON: No.
SNAPE: And why is that?
RON: It's in my other pants.
SNAPE: I see. And where are your other pants?
RON: Hanging from the Beauxbaton carriage.
SNAPE: Do you expect me to believe that?
RON: No.
SNAPE: Do you think I'm an idiot?
RON: Yes -- but that's beside the point! My wand actually is in my 
other pants, and they actually were hanging from the Beauxbaton 
carriage.
I wouldn't lie to you! I mean, I would if I could, but I can't!
SNAPE: I see. So you have no reason to try and hide your wand from me?
RON: I didn't say that. I have other reasons to not empty my pockets. 
Seventeen reasons, to be precise. (Begrudgingly) Copies of Harry's 
articles in the Daily Prophet. (Beseechingly) Be gentle.






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 20 02:57:16 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:57:16 -0800
Subject: Angelfire problems?
Message-ID: <000c01c3df01$2e29d280$a6706751@kathryn>

Is anyone else around here having problems with Angelfire today? I can visit sites fine but whenever I try to go to one of their user pages to edit or upload things to my site I get a 'cannot find server' error.

K
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 20:04:19 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:04:19 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bugpjp+q1b0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3dec7$6c6ee150$8d667144@Einstein>

> It was a type-o...they didn't 'gleam'...they were 'green'.  The spell
> is hard to keep up somtimes...he's not Ron...or Dobby...he's really
> HARRY!
> 
> Next question:
> 
> Why is Neville so good at Herbology?
> 
> 
> Tcy
> (who really enjoys the humor threads on OTC)

Iggy here:

Because his parents were Hippies at Woodstock, which also explains his
memory problems.  (Not surprisingly, he's also very skilled at
Hydroponics and constructing distilleries.)


Next question:

(Well, this is one I asked earlier that got lost in the shuffle)...

What's Narcissa up to now that her hubby is in jail?



Iggy McSnurd








From malaprop2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 20:10:35 2004
From: malaprop2000 at yahoo.com (malaprop2000)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:10:35 -0000
Subject: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?
Message-ID: <buhdjr+6137@eGroups.com>

Just curious .. I certainly haven't. (Please not three years, please
not three years.)




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 20:15:09 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:15:09 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WARPS- Parody from Liar, Liar
In-Reply-To: <buh580+bpfp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3dec8$f339e8f0$8d667144@Einstein>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: wormtails_a_water_goblet 
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WARPS- Parody from Liar, Liar
> 
> As my first contribution to the list, I would like to share this
> WARPS with everyone.  It centers around Ron and, while he is one of
> my favorite characters (just ask my sister--Hi Katie!), I just
> couldn't resist.


Iggy here:

This was cool.  I haven't seen the movie yet, but I could definitely see
the imagery here.  This is exactly the type of thing I had in mind when
I created the WARP idea.

Good job.

Oh, btw:  Can you let me know under what name you want this credited to
for the archives?  (And do you mind, if I manage to get a web page set
up, if I put it on there?)


Iggy McSnurd








From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 21:09:50 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:09:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000601c3dec7$6c6ee150$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <20040119210950.1907.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>


> Iggy here:

> Next question:

> (Well, this is one I asked earlier that got lost in
> the shuffle)...
> 
> What's Narcissa up to now that her hubby is in jail?

Actually Iggy, if my book keeping is correct, Illyana
said that Narcissa is doing Dobby, now that her
husband is in jail;)
So now we need a new question...What are 5 of the more
unusual Quidditch fouls? (There are 700 to choose from)

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 21:27:09 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:27:09 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040119210950.1907.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3ded3$01baf040$8d667144@Einstein>

> 
> > Iggy here:
> 
> > Next question:
> 
> > (Well, this is one I asked earlier that got lost in
> > the shuffle)...
> >
> > What's Narcissa up to now that her hubby is in jail?
> 
> Actually Iggy, if my book keeping is correct, Illyana
> said that Narcissa is doing Dobby, now that her
> husband is in jail;)

Iggy here:

*grin* To be honest, I thought she was responding "ewwww... Dobby" to my
answer that Dobby would be the next DADA teacher.  

Must have just been an interesting coincidence in timing.


> So now we need a new question...What are 5 of the more
> unusual Quidditch fouls? (There are 700 to choose from)
> 


Iggy here again:

1: Flying your broom up someone's bum.

2: Smashing someone in the face with your bat as you fly above them
while hanging under your broom in a modified Sloth Grip Roll.

3: "Consorting" with the Bulgarian team's Veela mascots in the middle of
the Quidditch Pitch.

4: Distracting the Keeper by opening your robes and flashing them.

5: Attempting to score while doing a back flip drop roll off your broom
to land on your broom on the bottom loop while the sun is at its apex on
a Friday, between the times of 12:04 and 12:32pm, in a month that
doesn't contain an "R" in the name, during a 3/4 waxing gibbous moon,
while you're wearing gold and purple striped socks and chewing cherry
flavored bubblegum.



Next one:

What happened to all Gilderoy Lockhart's clothes when he ended up in the
hospital?



Iggy McSnurd
(And no, saying that I got them all doesn't count... *grin*)







From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jan 19 21:55:10 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:55:10 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <bugs6l+3mtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <400CECEE.21793.17ABE8@localhost>

On 19 Jan 2004 at 15:13, arrowsmithbt wrote:

> Not content with a school choir with toad accompaniment, 
> further perversions of the canon should be expected in the
> film version of PoA.
> 
> A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
> that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
> purchased and would feature in the film.

Actually, I think such an object would fit very nicely into Diagon 
Alley - remember in Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry is free to wander 
around the Alley, far more than in the first two books. I'd 
personally like to see a bit more of it. I don't really think we're 
likely to - it's time intensive for little plot advancement - but 
used appropriately, I can see that fitting in fairly well.



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 22:42:26 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:42:26 -0000
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <400CECEE.21793.17ABE8@localhost>
Message-ID: <buhmgi+nqmf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2004 at 15:13, arrowsmithbt wrote:
> 
> > Not content with a school choir with toad accompaniment, further 
> > perversions of the canon should be expected in the film version of
> > PoA.
> > 
> > A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
> > that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
> > purchased and would feature in the film.


> Shaun:
> 
> Actually, I think such an object would fit very nicely into Diagon 
> Alley - remember in Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry is free to wander 
> around the Alley, far more than in the first two books. I'd 
> personally like to see a bit more of it. I don't really think we're 
> likely to - it's time intensive for little plot advancement - but 
> used appropriately, I can see that fitting in fairly well.
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately 

bboy_mn:

Well, if I continue the assumption that the Carousel will appear in
Diagon Alley, I can see HOW they could fit it in, I just can't see WHY
they would try.

With so much great story there, and so many great visuals written in
the book, why would they need to waste precious screen time showing
something like this? I suppose it could just be something in the
background that Harry walks past as he wanders the Alley, but I would
sooner see the Quidditch shop or Fortescue's Ice Cream Parlor where
Harry gets free Choconut sundaes every half hour while he does his
home work. Or the Magical Menagerie where Herione finds Crookshanks.
Or breakfast at the Leaky Cauldron with rowdy warlocks and hags eating
raw liver. There simply must be better things to do with the time and
money than a carousel.

I can think of a lot of things I would rather see than a carousel. Of
course, the carousel may not be for PoA; it could be something for
Goblet of Fire, perhaps a carousel outside the Quidditch staduim. The
pre-game period does sort of have a carnival atmosphere. 

Just a thought.

bboy_mn





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 22:54:05 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:54:05 -0000
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <bugs6l+3mtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buhn6d+36ut@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt"
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not content with a school choir with toad accompaniment, 
> further perversions of the canon should be expected in the
> film version of PoA.
> 
> A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
> that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
> purchased and would feature in the film.
> 
> Why am I getting a bad feeling about this?
> 
> Kneasy

Have you ever read that Ray Bradbury book?  The one called _Something
Wicked This Way Comes_ which features prominently an accursed
roundabout belonging to an evil travelling fair?  Sounds like maybe
someone's a fan.

It's a really good book, actually, but it's not PoA.

Annemehr

P.S. no tiny people in it, though, as far as I can remember...  :P





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jan 19 23:03:39 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:03:39 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <buhmgi+nqmf@eGroups.com>
References: <400CECEE.21793.17ABE8@localhost>
Message-ID: <400CFCFB.24871.5660EA@localhost>

On 19 Jan 2004 at 22:42, Steve wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>

> > Shaun:
> > 
> > Actually, I think such an object would fit very nicely into Diagon 
> > Alley - remember in Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry is free to wander 
> > around the Alley, far more than in the first two books. I'd 
> > personally like to see a bit more of it. I don't really think we're 
> > likely to - it's time intensive for little plot advancement - but 
> > used appropriately, I can see that fitting in fairly well.
> > 
> > Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> > Shaun Hately 
> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> Well, if I continue the assumption that the Carousel will appear in
> Diagon Alley, I can see HOW they could fit it in, I just can't see WHY
> they would try.

Because if you look at Diagon Alley, as seen in the films so far, 
you'll see that it's a rather *tight* filming environment - a 
rather 'crowded' environment in many ways, and it's a pretty small 
area.

In Prisoner of Azkaban, we get a much more expanded view of it - it 
is a long cobbled street, packed with the most fascinating wizard 
shops in the world. It's a place where a 13 year old is able to 
amuse himself for a period of days, just by wandering around 
looking at things.

If the movie attempts to give us any sort of sense of size that 
will do this type of image justice, they are going to need to do a 
*lot* of set dressing - including things in the background, which 
have colour and motion, and which fit the d?cor of the Diagon Alley 
environment.

The steam powered carousels I have seen, tend to fit that criteria 
nearly perfectly IMHO.

> With so much great story there, and so many great visuals written in
> the book, why would they need to waste precious screen time showing
> something like this? I suppose it could just be something in the
> background that Harry walks past as he wanders the Alley, but I would
> sooner see the Quidditch shop or Fortescue's Ice Cream Parlor where
> Harry gets free Choconut sundaes every half hour while he does his
> home work. Or the Magical Menagerie where Herione finds Crookshanks.
> Or breakfast at the Leaky Cauldron with rowdy warlocks and hags eating
> raw liver. There simply must be better things to do with the time and
> money than a carousel.

Yes, and no. Do you want to see a set that *ONLY* has the Quidditch 
shop, that *only* has Fortescues, that *ONLY* has the Magical 
Menagerie?

That can be done - but the only way it can be done from a stylistic 
point of view is by using very tight shots that will give 
absolutely no impression of the size of Diagon Alley.

When they design an exterior set for any major film, one of the big 
priorities is to make the important items on that set - the objects 
you need for the plot - appear to be just part of a larger world. 
If you have a scene that requires to sit on a park bench, is the 
only thing on the screen going to be that park bench? Presumably 
they'd add trees, and lampposts, etc.

If the only things we see in Diagon Alley are the things Harry 
needs to be there, we don't have a vibrant living community. We 
have a minimalist film set that miraculously contains exactly what 
Harry needs it to contain.

A 'Street of Requirement' so to speak.

Is a carousel required for the film? No.

But it its d?cor is right, (hey cool, my mail program added the 
accent on d?cor. Ooh, it did it again), it could make dressing the 
Diagon Alley set much easier and cheaper - because I would presume 
this is a preexistant object, and therefore isn't being 
specifically constructed for the film.

Set dressing for a film like Harry Potter is pretty difficult, 
because you often can't use stock items. You have to look for the 
unusual.

Now I don't know if it's going to be used in Diagon Alley or not - 
but I can see it working there.

> I can think of a lot of things I would rather see than a carousel. Of
> course, the carousel may not be for PoA; it could be something for
> Goblet of Fire, perhaps a carousel outside the Quidditch staduim. The
> pre-game period does sort of have a carnival atmosphere. 

Yes, I can think of a lot of things I would rather see than a 
carousel as well - but presumably this carousel already exists. 
Most of the things I'd like to see in Diagon Alley would need to be 
scratch built - which is generally much more expensive than pre-
purcahse. They'll need to do some of that to do the films justice - 
but ideally, they should be dressing sets etc, as cheaply as they 
reasonably can - so they can direct the money elsewhere.





Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia


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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jan 19 23:09:07 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:09:07 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3ded3$01baf040$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <buho2j+4co3@eGroups.com>

> Next one:
> 
> What happened to all Gilderoy Lockhart's clothes when he ended up 
in the
> hospital?
> 
> 
> They were donated to the Hogwarts Amphibian-Bearing Choir for their 
annual "Summertime Steam Roundabout Festival Concert." 

Next!

How can Muggles teach a budgie how to waterski?


 - CMC




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon Jan 19 23:55:05 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:55:05 -0000
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <400CFCFB.24871.5660EA@localhost>
Message-ID: <buhqop+97kk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:

>> Yes, I can think of a lot of things I would rather see than a 
carousel as well - but presumably this carousel already exists. 
 Most of the things I'd like to see in Diagon Alley would need to 
be  scratch built - which is generally much more expensive than 
pre- purcahse. They'll need to do some of that to do the films 
justice -  but ideally, they should be dressing sets etc, as cheaply 
as they reasonably can - so they can direct the money 
elsewhere.<<

You know, something like that might apply to the toad-bearing 
choir too. I presume it's standing in for the ghosts gliding in 
formation at the Halloween Feast. That's a throwaway line in the 
book, but duplicating it for a movie would call for investing a lot
of money to produce what would be, on screen,  a ho-hum 
special effect. We've all seen formations of ghosts before.

Pippin




From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 22:11:56 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (wormtails_a_water_goblet)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:11:56 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3ded3$01baf040$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <buhknc+8ln8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
"What happened to all Gilderoy Lockhart's clothes when he ended up in 
the hospital?"

St. Mungo's donated them all to SPEW, and Hermione is now plotting 
the best way to distribute them to the Hogwarts House Elves.

Next Question:
What is the best way to treat a werewolf bite?

Kerry





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 00:07:02 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:07:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Birthday Wishes x 2!
Message-ID: <20040120000702.81555.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

*drags herself slowly into the party room, streamers
stuck to one slipper, and attempts to make heads or
tails out of the decorations in the box*

I've missed two birthdays. No excuse, other than my
being ill. Sincere apologies to those missed.

The birthday honouree for the 17th was Rose Woofenden
aka Habile_gal. The birthday honouree for yesterday
was our own Elf, Saitaina. Belated birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to Rose at:
rosewoof at earthlink.net and Saitaina at:
saitaina at wizzards.net

I hope you both had magical days, filled with much fun
and laughter.

Happy Birthday, Rose!
Happy Birthday, Saitaina!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, crawling back to bed

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jan 20 00:05:43 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:05:43 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <buhqop+97kk@eGroups.com>
References: <400CFCFB.24871.5660EA@localhost>
Message-ID: <400D0B87.27103.8F3804@localhost>

On 19 Jan 2004 at 23:55, pippin_999 wrote:

> You know, something like that might apply to the toad-bearing 
> choir too. I presume it's standing in for the ghosts gliding in 
> formation at the Halloween Feast. That's a throwaway line in the 
> book, but duplicating it for a movie would call for investing a lot
> of money to produce what would be, on screen,  a ho-hum 
> special effect. We've all seen formations of ghosts before.

Very possibly.

When making a film out of a novel, you have to take some stuff out 
simply for reasons for time - but it's also sometimes a good idea 
to change a few things as well - and provided it's nothing critical 
to the plot, I can't see a problem with it, if it is done by 
reasons of creating particular atmosphere's etc. And it's hard to 
make those judgements until you see the finished product.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Tue Jan 20 00:49:31 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:49:31 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buho2j+4co3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buhtur+rng7@eGroups.com>

Caius:
> Next!
> 
> How can Muggles teach a budgie how to waterski?


Crazyglue?  (Duct tape?) ;-D

No idea for a next question, but love Kerry's; welcome aboard, Kerry!

--Kelley




From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue Jan 20 06:58:10 2004
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:58:10 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3ded3$01baf040$8d667144@Einstein>
References: <000001c3ded3$01baf040$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <02400263-4B16-11D8-9889-000A95CE326E@mindspring.com>

> > > Iggy here:
> >
> > > Next question:
> >
> > > (Well, this is one I asked earlier that got lost in
> > > the shuffle)...
> > >
> > > What's Narcissa up to now that her hubby is in jail?
> >
> > Actually Iggy, if my book keeping is correct, Illyana
> > said that Narcissa is doing Dobby, now that her
> > husband is in jail;)
>
> Iggy here:
>
> *grin* To be honest, I thought she was responding "ewwww... Dobby" to 
> my
> answer that Dobby would be the next DADA teacher.?

illyana here:

I actually was doing both - expressing my disgust for Dobby and also 
using him as the answer to Iggy's question regarding Narcissa. I 
thought it would be funny :)

illyana

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jan 20 08:50:52 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:50:52 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <bugs6l+3mtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buiq5c+4m59@eGroups.com>

Kneasy wrote:

> A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
> that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
> purchased and would feature in the film.
> 
> Why am I getting a bad feeling about this?

Because Cuaron wants to introduce characters from The Magic 
Roundabout

Next:

Why is there a choir with toads in the POA movie?

David, who thinks the roundabout is more likely to be in Hogsmeade 
than Diagon Alley




From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Tue Jan 20 11:34:41 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (vinnia_chrysshallie)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:34:41 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buhknc+8ln8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buj3oh+racu@eGroups.com>

Kerry:

> St. Mungo's donated them all to SPEW, and Hermione is now plotting 
> the best way to distribute them to the Hogwarts House Elves.
> 
> Next Question:
> What is the best way to treat a werewolf bite?


Vinnia:
Have that area bitten by a large (preferably black and grimlike) dog. 
While that person would still turn into a werewolf on full moon, he
(or she) would be a lot more controlled.

Next:
Why was Bellatrix Lestrange sent to Azkaban?

Oh I enjoy this thread soooo much!


Vinnia




From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Tue Jan 20 11:51:18 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (vinnia_chrysshallie)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:51:18 -0000
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <buhn6d+36ut@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buj4nm+oqlu@eGroups.com>

"annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt"
> <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Not content with a school choir with toad accompaniment, 
> > further perversions of the canon should be expected in the
> > film version of PoA.
> > 
> > A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
> > that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
> > purchased and would feature in the film.
> > 
> > Why am I getting a bad feeling about this?
> > 
> > Kneasy
> 
> Have you ever read that Ray Bradbury book?  The one called 
_Something
> Wicked This Way Comes_ which features prominently an accursed
> roundabout belonging to an evil travelling fair?  Sounds like maybe
> someone's a fan.
> 
> It's a really good book, actually, but it's not PoA.
> 
> Annemehr
> 
> P.S. no tiny people in it, though, as far as I can remember...  :P

Vinnia:
Isn't that part of the choir's song? 'Something wicked this way 
comes'? Maybe for Halloween this year Hogwarts has a carnival 
feast...with carousel and choir and cotton candy? And the next day 
one student theorizes that Sirius hitch a ride with the carousel to 
get into the castle?




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Tue Jan 20 13:47:28 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:47:28 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <buiq5c+4m59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bujbhg+i2l9@eGroups.com>

"davewitley" wrote:

> Why is there a choir with toads in the POA movie?
> 
> David, who thinks the roundabout is more likely to be in Hogsmeade 
> than Diagon Alley



Because the quidditch teams refused to carry the toads.


Next:

What's the real story behind the 'Bloody Baron'?


Tcy, who doesn't see witches and wizards being the least bit 
entertained by a typical muggle roundabout




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 15:28:12 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:28:12 -0000
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <buj4nm+oqlu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bujhec+u38l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "vinnia_chrysshallie" <vinnia_chrysshallie at y...> wrote:
> "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:

> > Have you ever read that Ray Bradbury book?  The one called 
> _Something
> > Wicked This Way Comes_ which features prominently an accursed
> > roundabout belonging to an evil travelling fair?  Sounds like maybe
> > someone's a fan.
> > 
> > It's a really good book, actually, but it's not PoA.
> > 
> > Annemehr
> > 
> > P.S. no tiny people in it, though, as far as I can remember...  :P
> 
> Vinnia:
> Isn't that part of the choir's song? 'Something wicked this way 
> comes'? Maybe for Halloween this year Hogwarts has a carnival 
> feast...with carousel and choir and cotton candy? And the next day 
> one student theorizes that Sirius hitch a ride with the carousel to 
> get into the castle?

Annemehr:
Yeah, the choir's song I took to be the quote from the Play-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named (oh, what the heck; I'm not in theater: 
MACBETH!).  But then when I read about the carousel, I thought of the Bradbury book of the same name.  In that book, if you rode the 
carousel in one direction, it aged you, and if you rode it the other way, it made you younger.  IIRC, someone rode it forward so long 
they became ancient and dried up and blew away.  But if you rode it carefully the other way whenever necessary, you'd never need the 
philosopher's stone!  It'd make plenty of money for you, too, if you sold rides to anyone who wanted to change their age.

Annemehr
who hasn't read that book in ages, & mentally puts it on the loooong list of books to read




From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 20:04:50 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:04:50 -0000
Subject: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
Message-ID: <buk1l2+2k6i@eGroups.com>

It confused the heck out of people I showed it to.  I recognized some 
clues we noted already on the HP4GU board, but has anyone actually 
deciphered most of the book?

Curious smaragdina5





From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 20:09:31 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:09:31 -0000
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
In-Reply-To: <bua2mi+k1ai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buk1tr+bm42@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> 
> > Umm, I have a nice under-the-stairs cupboard that I have been 
> thinking about 
> > converting to a "Harry Potter" guest room.  
> 
> That is SUCH a great idea.  

You should!  I just moved temporarily into a room with bed inside a 
former tiny closet under the room-- the closet door is in storage 
downstairs-- with slanting roof right above the bed.  I've pointed 
out to friends that I'm sleeping in a Harry Potter cupboard, and they 
all laugh.  Your guests, especially kids, would think it's cool!

smaragdina5





From fc26det at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 22:33:48 2004
From: fc26det at aol.com (Potterfanme)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:33:48 -0000
Subject: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
In-Reply-To: <buk1l2+2k6i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bukacc+k6vk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "smaragdina5" 
<smaragdina5 at y...> wrote:
> It confused the heck out of people I showed it to.  I recognized 
some 
> clues we noted already on the HP4GU board, but has anyone actually 
> deciphered most of the book?
> 
> Curious smaragdina5

Thank heavens!  I thought it was just me.  I am in the process of 
reading it now and some of the things I have been able to figure out 
but some of it is flying very high over my head.  I was wondering if 
there was a discussion group about this book for those of us who need 
a little help figuring it out.

Susan




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 23:04:20 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:04:20 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buho2j+4co3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bukc5k+44ea@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> > Next one:
> > 
> > What happened to all Gilderoy Lockhart's clothes when he ended 
up in the hospital?
> > 
> > 
> > They were donated to the Hogwarts Amphibian-Bearing Choir for 
their annual "Summertime Steam Roundabout Festival Concert." 

*****\(@@)/*****
Now mine:

They were donated to a second hand clothing store and Mr. Weasley 
will be very well dressed from here on out!
> 
> Next!
> 
> How can Muggles teach a budgie how to waterski?
> 
> 
>  - CMC

*****\(@@)/*****

Scare the budgie with a Dementor.

Dudemom_2000






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 23:10:16 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:10:16 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <buiq5c+4m59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bukcgo+irkh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Kneasy wrote:
> 
> > A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last week) stated
> > that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel) had been
> > purchased and would feature in the film.
> > 
> > Why am I getting a bad feeling about this?
> 
> Because Cuaron wants to introduce characters from The Magic 
> Roundabout
> 
> Next:
> 
> Why is there a choir with toads in the POA movie?
> 
> David, who thinks the roundabout is more likely to be in Hogsmeade 
> than Diagon Alley

*****\(@@)/*****

Because Alberforth has the goats.

Dudemom_2000





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jan 20 23:57:48 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:57:48 -0000
Subject: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?
In-Reply-To: <buhdjr+6137@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bukf9s+hm99@eGroups.com>

malaprop2000 asked:

> Just curious .. I certainly haven't. (Please not three years, 
please
> not three years.)

and Nineve Laguna asked over on the main list (message 89245).

This is what the Bloomsbury website says (in its Harry Potter FAQs):

When will the sixth book in the Harry Potter series be published?
There is no deadline for this book, so no publication date has been 
set. 

http://www.bloomsburymagazine.com/harrypotter/muggles/faq/faq.asp?
pageNo=15&pagePos=2&s=6

or

http://tinyurl.com/2funz

or go to the Bloomsbury site (www.bloomsburymagazine.com), enter the 
Harry Potter section, enter either the Muggles or the Witches and 
Wizards section, and click on the FAQ sign and click through 
on 'next'.

For the release of OOP, Bloomsbury changed this site they day they 
announced the release date.  Before that, it was a well-kept secret 
(or, more likely, they simply hadn't decided).

So your best bet is to bookmark the Bloomsbury site and keep an eye 
on it.  Chances are when the announcement is made, it'll be hard to 
miss.

You might also be interested in the leaky cauldron's FAQ:
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/tlcfaq.html#booksix

"When is Book Six coming out? What is Book Six called? Can you tell 
me anything about Book Six?
Don't we wish. We have as much information about Book Six as you do -
 and the second we hear word about its title, when it's coming out, 
or anything, we will post it on the site. The last we heard, J.K. 
Rowling was writing happily, though more slowly because she has a 
small child to look after. It's still less than a year since Book 
Five - so don't have a dragon egg, Harry fans. We've proven before 
that we're made of much stronger stuff than that."

So, for intermediate information ("JKR is writing happily"/"JKR 
denies writer's block"/"JKR's baby drops manuscript in toilet" etc I 
suggest you keep an eye out there:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org

David




From andie at knownet.net  Wed Jan 21 00:21:27 2004
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:21:27 -0000
Subject: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
In-Reply-To: <bukacc+k6vk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bukgm7+j6bu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Potterfanme" <fc26det at a...> 
wrote:
 I was wondering if 
> there was a discussion group about this book for those of us who 
need 
> a little help figuring it out.
> 
> Susan


On www.mugglenet.com they have an entire section devoted to the 
discussion of New Clues...

Go to the main sight and click on New Clues Discussion on the left 
hand side. 

Andrea :)




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 04:40:41 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:40:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
In-Reply-To: <bukgm7+j6bu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040121044041.21308.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com>



> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com,
> "Potterfanme" <fc26det at a...> 
> wrote:
>  I was wondering if 
> > there was a discussion group about this book for
> those of us who 
> need 
> > a little help figuring it out.
> > 
> > Susan
I've read it and figured out a bit (at least I think I
have, it is a bit tricky!) so if anyone wants to talk
about the theories in that book specifically we could
start a little yahoo group for it or talk about it
offlist. I don't know if everyone would want it
clogging up the OT list and it could get confusing in
the overwhelming volume of the main list. So if anyone
wants to talk about the random theories that book
suggests, count me in!
~Katie, who was Kathryn, and is molly_weasley_wannabe
on the main list(I don't know if I ever mentioned
that) but decided she could use a nickname since there
are at least 2 other Kathryn's on the lists:)

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From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 04:44:57 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:44:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buej49+posi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040121044457.19302.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok, things died down a bit so I thought I'd bring up
the last unanswered question and throw in a new one as
well. This might have been missed because it was on
the "Incorrect Thread" thread but I figured it could
go here: 
Tracy asked What's the real story behind the 'Bloody
Baron'?

And I'll add: What did Dudley Dursley see when the
dementors got close to him?

~Katie

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From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 04:59:45 2004
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 04:59:45 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040121044457.19302.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bul101+ccli@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber 
<katydid3500 at y...> wrote:
>  What did Dudley Dursley see when the
> dementors got close to him?
> 
> Talisman: 
> A pamphlet telling him Smeltings has gone Adkins.
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From penapart_elf at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 08:06:39 2004
From: penapart_elf at yahoo.com (Penapart Elf)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:06:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Happy Birthday!
Message-ID: <20040121080640.70391.qmail@web13009.mail.yahoo.com>

<enters party room, tottering under big cakes 
balanced precariously on a silver tray on head>

Hello party animals!  Um...play along and pretend 
I'm the regularly scheduled Birthday Elf, will ya?

<toothy grin with frosting on it>

Today we celebrate the birthdays of Kneasy as 
well as Shaun Hately!  Birthday owls can be sent 
care of this list or directly to Kneasy at 
ARROWSMITHBT at btconnect.com and to Shaun Hatelyat 
drednort at alphalink.com.au

We hope you both had magical days, filled with 
much fun and laughter.

Happy Birthday, Kneasy!
Happy Birthday, Shaun!

:) Penapart Elf, hope Sheryll feels better soon

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From puju02 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jan 21 09:12:36 2004
From: puju02 at yahoo.co.uk (puju02)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:12:36 -0000
Subject: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
In-Reply-To: <20040121044041.21308.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bulfq4+q6ps@eGroups.com>

> Susan wrote:
> I've read it and figured out a bit (at least I think I
> have, it is a bit tricky!) so if anyone wants to talk
> about the theories in that book specifically we could
> start a little yahoo group for it or talk about it
> offlist. 


puju02 replies:
I think that's a great idea. would love to figure out and speculate 
about book-6. where do you think I/ we can start our own group to 
discuss it?







From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 10:40:17 2004
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:40:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
Message-ID: <20040121104017.90830.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com>

Posted at TLC:
> C: Really cool. She actually encouraged me: ''Please don't be 
> literal.'' At the same time, we wrote a scene where there was this 
> organ, and tiny people were jumping on the keyboards. She 
> said, ''Nope, no tiny people at Hogwarts.''

Erin:
> I read that and went "Huh?" 
> 
> They wrote a scene with tiny people jumping on a keyboard?
> 
> Why in the hell would you want to...

<snip>

Hmmm...maybe for one of the following?  I got 2 different 
mental images when I read the above from Cuaron:

1. tap dancers on keyboard a la Tom Hanks in "Big"

2. one tiny person per note/key, each hitting his/her 
note in their turns (if the Borrowers had an organ, this 
would be how they'd play it, no? <g>)

Petra
a
n  :)

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From fc26det at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 10:53:55 2004
From: fc26det at aol.com (Potterfanme)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:53:55 -0000
Subject: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
In-Reply-To: <bulfq4+q6ps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bullo3+jd3c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "puju02" <puju02 at y...> wrote:
> > Susan wrote:
> > I've read it and figured out a bit (at least I think I
> > have, it is a bit tricky!) so if anyone wants to talk
> > about the theories in that book specifically we could
> > start a little yahoo group for it or talk about it
> > offlist. 
> 
> 
> puju02 replies:
> I think that's a great idea. would love to figure out and speculate 
> about book-6. where do you think I/ we can start our own group to 
> discuss it?

Kathryn is the one who actually wrote this but I would love to 
discuss this.  I have no idea how to start something like this so any 
one who does, just let me know where and when to go!!
Susan




From fc26det at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 11:03:50 2004
From: fc26det at aol.com (Potterfanme)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:03:50 -0000
Subject: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
In-Reply-To: <bukgm7+j6bu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bulmam+9tbt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe" <andie at k...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Potterfanme" 
<fc26det at a...> 
> wrote:
>  I was wondering if 
> > there was a discussion group about this book for those of us who 
> need 
> > a little help figuring it out.
> > 
> > Susan
> 
> 
> On www.mugglenet.com they have an entire section devoted to the 
> discussion of New Clues...
> 
> Go to the main sight and click on New Clues Discussion on the left 
> hand side. 
> 
> Andrea :

Thank you, I will go there.  As much as I like that site, I have been 
too busy trying to keep up with the HPfGU sites to get there lately.
Susan : )




From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Wed Jan 21 12:11:42 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vinnia?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:11:42 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040121044457.19302.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040121121142.95220.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com>

Katie <katydid3500 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
---------------------------------
Ok, things died down a bit so I thought I'd bring up
the last unanswered question and throw in a new one as
well. This might have been missed because it was on
the "Incorrect Thread" thread but I figured it could
go here: 
Tracy asked What's the real story behind the 'Bloody
Baron'?

Vinnia:
Oh that wasn't blood. That was mud... He was having a
mud-bath on Hogwarts ground when Peeves hit him with a
stick, and he died instantly.

Katie:
And I'll add: What did Dudley Dursley see when the
dementors got close to him?

Vinnia:
The doctor telling him he might have anorexia <g>

Another question:
What's the effect of polyjuice potion?


Vinnia

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From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 12:17:41 2004
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:17:41 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bul101+ccli@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bulql5+kgpb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber 
> <katydid3500 at y...> wrote:
> >  What did Dudley Dursley see when the
> > dementors got close to him?
> > 
> > Talisman: 
> > A pamphlet telling him Smeltings has gone Adkins.

Talisman again:
Er, make that Atkins.

And in atonement: 

What's the real story behind the 'Bloody
Baron'?

The hapless Baron has been forced in death to wear the likeness of 
the disgruntled Lethifold that killed him when, upon hearing the 
Baroness's footsteps in the hall, he unwittingly grabbed it to mop 
up evidence of yet another frolic in stink sap.  Sure he *tells* 
everyone it's blood.


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jan 21 13:18:19 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:18:19 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040121121142.95220.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bulu6r+cq40@eGroups.com>

> Vinnia:

> Another question:
> What's the effect of polyjuice potion?

It allows Aberforth's goat to look like Firenze.

Next:

Why is Snape's hair greasy?

David




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 21 13:33:15 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:33:15 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bulu6r+cq40@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bulv2r+ap87@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Next:
> 
> Why is Snape's hair greasy?
> 

In JKR's world, it is one of the signs of a vampire. 


Next:

Why does Vernon work in a firm that manufactures *drills*?




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 14:27:36 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Goldie Black)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:27:36 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3dba9$10c863b0$8d667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bum28o+fm3e@eGroups.com>

"Iggy McSnurd" <CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone would want to do this, but on a
> > Lord of the Rings Forum I came across the Incorrect
> > LOTR Game where you ask questions and give a humorous
> > wrong answer (EX: Why is Sauron's eye so fiery? Ben
> > Stein hasn't been by to film his Visine commercial in
> > Mordor yet.) and then the person who gives the answer
> > makes up the next question. Anyone interested in doing
> > a Harry Potter version?
> > ~Kathryn
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> Sure.
> 
> Here's the first question then:
> 
> Why is Snape so ill tempered towards Harry?
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

Me:

Because he keeps forgetting to take his Midol for his PHS (Potter 
Haters Syndrome).

Why is Hagrid's hair so bushy?

Marci





From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 15:19:39 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:19:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anyone read the New Clues to HP5 by Galadriel Waters?
In-Reply-To: <bulmam+9tbt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040121151939.32327.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Potterfanme <fc26det at aol.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe"
> <andie at k...> 
> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com,
> "Potterfanme" 
> <fc26det at a...> 
> > wrote:
> >  I was wondering if 
> > > there was a discussion group about this book for
> those of us who 
> > need 
> > > a little help figuring it out.
> > > 
> > > Susan
 
I looked at the Mugglenet one and wasn't crazy about
it so I made a Yahoo group. It's open and I'm not
going to approve new member messahes for now because I
know all of you can handle posting. Just email:  
NewClues4HP5-subscribe at yahoogroups.com to join. 
~Katie

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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Jan 21 16:39:14 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:39:14 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bulv2r+ap87@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bum9vi+3gn9@eGroups.com>

> Why does Vernon work in a firm that manufactures *drills*?

He wants to cash in on the vast Halliburton empire and get in good 
with Dick Cheney.

And now:
What is Viktor Krum's pet name for Hermione?






From grannybat at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 21 18:10:19 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:10:19 -0000
Subject: Missing Punk Reference?
In-Reply-To: <buel94+dbc6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bumfab+b0nr@eGroups.com>

Catlady replied to me:
>>
> > Can someone point me toward the URL that mentions Jo Rowling's 
> > involvment with the punk rock movement of the '70s and '80s? 
> 
> It's not an actual interview; it is the interviewer's recollection 
> of a previous interview:
> 
> << Two years ago I interviewed J.K. Rowling and discovered, to my
> delight, that Harry Potter's authorial mom was a punk-rock fan from
> back in the day..... 

Thank you! I knew I'd seen her musical taste mentioned somewhere. 
Hmm, the reference isn't as strong as I'd be comfortable 
using...well, maybe I can hunt up the author's original interview. I 
will cope.

Thanks, Rita.

Grannybat





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 21 18:11:31 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:11:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bum9vi+3gn9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3e04a$02844350$18667144@Einstein>

> > Why does Vernon work in a firm that manufactures *drills*?
> 
> He wants to cash in on the vast Halliburton empire and get in good
> with Dick Cheney.
> 
> And now:
> What is Viktor Krum's pet name for Hermione?
> 

Iggy here:

He calls her his "Little Golden Snatch."


Ok... my turn...

What's the real secret behind the Shrieking Shack?


Iggy McSnurd








From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 21 18:17:28 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:17:28 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3e04a$02844350$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000301c3e04a$d6cfcc10$18667144@Einstein>

>
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> He calls her his "Little Golden Snatch."
> 
> 

Iggy here:

Ummmmm... that was a typo.  It was supposed to be "Little Golden
Snitch."

*blush*

(Although the typo was kinda funny too... I gotta admit.  *grin*)


Iggy McSnurd







From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 18:59:30 2004
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:59:30 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3e04a$02844350$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bumi6i+ret5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> What's the real secret behind the Shrieking Shack?

Talisman:
It's a clinic for whenisthenextbookcomingout! primal scream therapy.

And, can't resist:
Why does Vernon work in a firm that manufactures *drills*?
Because he's so BORING.
> 
>Back at you:
Why does Narcissa look like she's smelling something stinky?
 





From sydenmill at msn.com  Wed Jan 21 19:54:06 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:54:06 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bumi6i+ret5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bumlcu+8smm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...> wrote:
> And, can't resist:
> Why does Vernon work in a firm that manufactures *drills*?
> Because he's so BORING.

Bohcoo:
Chuckle, chuckle, pant, chuckle. What a scream.

Talisman:
> >Back at you:
> Why does Narcissa look like she's smelling something stinky?

Bohcoo
Because she is.


Bohcoo:
What was the trap door under Fluffy REALLY there for?




From sydenmill at msn.com  Wed Jan 21 20:01:20 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:01:20 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <buiq5c+4m59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bumlqg+huc9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:


David: 
> Why is there a choir with toads in the POA movie?


Bohcoo:
Foreshadowing. A bunch of people are going to croak in coming books.


Next:
Why did McGonagall offer Harry Ginger Newts?




From sydenmill at msn.com  Wed Jan 21 20:05:43 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:05:43 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <bujbhg+i2l9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bumm2n+e1lh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> 
wrote:
> "davewitley" wrote:
> 

Dave:
> Why is there a choir with toads in the POA movie?


Tracy:
> Because the quidditch teams refused to carry the toads.


Bohcoo:
Why did the quidditch team refuse to carry the toads?

Because everyone on the team kept mistaking them for bludgers. (Ew.)





From alison.williams at virgin.net  Wed Jan 21 20:21:28 2004
From: alison.williams at virgin.net (bluetad2001)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:21:28 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <bumlqg+huc9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bumn08+accp@eGroups.com>

Bohcoo:
--- Why did McGonagall offer Harry Ginger Newts?


To newt-ralise his anger.  Ouch!


Which gives me the excuse to ask the question that's been nagging 
ever since I read GoF.

--- Why did fake Moody teach Harry to resist the Imperius curse?

Alison




From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 20:22:03 2004
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:22:03 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bumlcu+8smm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bumn1b+s6d5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bohcoo" <sydenmill at m...> 
wrote:
> --- > What was the trap door under Fluffy REALLY there for?

Talisman:

Would YOU want to have to bag two-ton dog turds?

 
Now tell me:
Why does Draco REALLY want the Hand of Glory?






From sydenmill at msn.com  Wed Jan 21 20:41:42 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:41:42 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bumn1b+s6d5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bumo66+th5i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...> wrote:
> 
>  
> Now tell me:
> Why does Draco REALLY want the Hand of Glory?

Bohcoo:
Oh gawd. . . I know the answer to this one. It is the same answer 
to, "Why was it called the Hand of Glory?"


(Do we have a Blue Room for Harry Potter fans?)

(Talisman -- you bad. You very bad. And, fun-n-n-n-ny.)




From ilhouse51 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 21 17:39:23 2004
From: ilhouse51 at sbcglobal.net (beastscores)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:39:23 -0000
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
In-Reply-To: <194.23cf6f9a.2d3b4090@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bumdgb+f0bi@eGroups.com>

Personally I would turn it into a replica of Harry's room, but I 
would make it a reading room for the kids.  What a great place to get 
lost in a good book.....I would love to relive one of my many re-
readings of the HP books in an environment like that....hmm I wonder 
how much my wife would kill me if I did that under the stairs in our 
house.....


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> Amy Z writes:
> >> That is SUCH a great idea.  If I were a kid I would love it--
heck, I'd 
> love it anyway.
> 
> Make sure you don't chase out all the spiders. <<
> 
> Mary here: 
>     
>     Actually some of the things that would have to come out of 
there are the 
> boxes of Halloween stuff---including spiders in a variety of sizes 
and 
> materials. <g>
> 
> ---Mary, measuring the depth of the closet for a cot
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 00:08:34 2004
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:08:34 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bumo66+th5i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bun4a2+3aug@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bohcoo" <sydenmill at m...> 
wrote:
> Bohcoo:> > 
> (Talisman -- you bad. You very bad. And, fun-n-n-n-ny.)

Talisman: Aw, now you know you shouldn't encourage me. <g>

I will try to behave.

But, why DOES Dumbledore wear his hair and beard long enough 
to "tuck under his belt?"




From seeker at texasquidditch.com  Thu Jan 22 05:50:56 2004
From: seeker at texasquidditch.com (texasquidditch)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:50:56 -0000
Subject: Texas Quidditch site update
Message-ID: <bunoc0+72rq@eGroups.com>

"The Accidental Portkey" reveals existence of Wizarding Sciences 
Institute in Texas. Visit www.texasquidditch.com for astounding new 
photos. 

"Seeker"





From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 06:28:31 2004
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:31 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bun4a2+3aug@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bunqif+thbp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...> wrote:> 
> But, why DOES Dumbledore wear his hair and beard long enough 
> to "tuck under his belt?"

Talisman again, all right, it's Dumbledore, so I'll tell you (it's 
really not that bad):

Because, Archie's nightgowned observations notwithstanding, it's 
drafty at Hogwarts in the wintertime.

Here is a safe one:

What did they do with the Blast-Ended Skrewt after the third task?




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 22 09:31:21 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:31:21 -0000
Subject: For Anyone who uses Computers
Message-ID: <buo599+9ebg@eGroups.com>

Sent to me because (believe it or not) I'm my local network manager.  
This by the way is not due to any merit, qualification, knowledge, 
merely default. 

If you have any responsibility for computers either at home or at 
work, I heavily recommend this link:

http://www.sysadminday.com/Time.htm

June




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Jan 22 09:53:57 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:53:57 -0000
Subject: For Anyone who uses Computers
In-Reply-To: <buo599+9ebg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buo6jl+ps61@eGroups.com>

June recommended:

> http://www.sysadminday.com/Time.htm

and for the other side of the story, Google BOFH

David




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 22 10:07:09 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:07:09 -0000
Subject: For Anyone who uses Computers
In-Reply-To: <buo6jl+ps61@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buo7cd+bqpv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> June recommended:
> 
> > http://www.sysadminday.com/Time.htm
> 
> and for the other side of the story, Google BOFH
> 
> David

Did just that.  Very good, and finally on just a cursory glance the 
answer to use to one of the most irritating telephone gambits one is 
subjected to in working life, the "Hello, who am I speaking to?" 
one...

Quote:
"I'm sitting at the desk, playing x-tank, when some thoughtless 
bastard rings me on the phone. I pick it up. 

"Hello?" I say.

"Who is this?" they say

"It's me I think" I say, having successfully attended a telephone 
skills course"

I think I may have to be re-wired to stop me using this.  And I 
recommend googling BOFH asap.

June





From sydenmill at msn.com  Thu Jan 22 13:08:02 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:08:02 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <bumn08+accp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buohvi+v058@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluetad2001" 
<alison.williams at v...> wrote:


> Bohcoo:
> --- Why did McGonagall offer Harry Ginger Newts?
> 
> Alison:
> To newt-ralise his anger.  Ouch!



Bohcoo:
Good one, Alison! You have inspired me to add:

But she did do it ginger-ly.


Next:
Why is the ceiling of the Great Hall enchanted?





From sydenmill at msn.com  Thu Jan 22 13:10:29 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:10:29 -0000
Subject: Senior Astronauts
Message-ID: <buoi45+rsna@eGroups.com>



Why won't they let John Glenn go to Mars?

Because leaving the turn signal on the entire way would take too much 
power.




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jan 22 13:37:54 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:37:54 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <buohvi+v058@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buojni+tjek@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bohcoo" <sydenmill at m...> 
wrote:

 
> Next:
> Why is the ceiling of the Great Hall enchanted?

Because it's [sings] "Some enchanted ceiling..."

Next:
Why is there a ghoul in the Weasley's attic?


Pip!Squeak




From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr  Thu Jan 22 14:16:54 2004
From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:16:54 -0000
Subject: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <buojni+tjek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buom0m+501o@eGroups.com>

> Why is there a ghoul in the Weasley's attic?
> 
> 
> Pip!Squeak

Because that's where all the missing Weasley children* corpses were buried.


What was Snape excpecting to witness when he entered the passage under the 
Whomping Willow the night of the Prank ?

Olivier

* those are Daniel, Eric, Hector, Iris, Jane, Karl, Liam, Nicole, Oliver, Quentin, Sean, 
Thomas and Uther Weasley




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jan 22 14:42:14 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:42:14 -0600
Subject: (COMBINING THREADS) RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <buohvi+v058@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3e0f5$f01679c0$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Bohcoo:
> Good one, Alison! You have inspired me to add:
> 
> But she did do it ginger-ly.
> 

Iggy here:

Yeah... That McGonagall is one smart cookie.  Butt-er approach may need
a little work.  Harry might have preferred Chocolate - chip off the old
block that he is... I suspect that was his father's favorite as well.
Of course, we don't know, since I hear she's not really a McGonagall,
but rather an adopted member of the late MacAroon clans...

*grin*


> 
> Next:
> Why is the ceiling of the Great Hall enchanted?
> 

Because they don't have television in the WW, and Dumbledore wanted
*something* to watch other than the students while they eat.


And, in an effort to combine these threads to ease the confusion...



>Here is a safe one:
>
>What did they do with the Blast-Ended Skrewt after the third task?

Two words:  Crab Boil.


>What was Snape expecting to witness when he entered the passage under
the 
>Whomping Willow the night of the Prank ?


He was wanting to see if Lupin's bark was worse than his bite...
Unfortunately, you can't hear the tree's bark... you can only see it...




Now, my question:

Harry has his lightning bolt scar on his forehead.  What's Neville's
hidden scar, and what does it look like?



Iggy McSnurd

(Who again, isn't the answer to this question...)







From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 15:38:32 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (wormtails_a_water_goblet)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:38:32 -0000
Subject: (COMBINING THREADS) Incorrect thread game
In-Reply-To: <000101c3e0f5$f01679c0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <buoqpo+oim6@eGroups.com>

> Iggy here:

> Now, my question:
> 
> Harry has his lightning bolt scar on his forehead.  What's Neville's
> hidden scar, and what does it look like?
> 

Neville has a scar of a gum wrapper on his hip, right where his 
pocket would be.

Next question: Who were Lily and James Potters' next-door neighbors?

P.S.- Thanks for combining the threads; that was driving me crazy!




From ursamajr at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 16:50:37 2004
From: ursamajr at yahoo.com (Ursamajr)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:50:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What the hell are they up to now?
In-Reply-To: <1074634297.1672.99448.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040122165037.45480.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com>

Since filming is done on PoA, perhaps this roundabout
is for GoF. I can see a fair/carnival type atmosphere
added to the camp grounds of the Quidditch World Cup.
It might be visually interesting to see the Death
Eaters blast through that instead of just tents.

just my thoughts...
-Adrienne

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com,
"arrowsmithbt" <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
 
> A report (in the Daily Telegraph at the end of last
week) stated
> that a steam roundabout (trans. fairground carousel)
had been
> purchased and would feature in the film.
> 
> Why am I getting a bad feeling about this?
> 
> Kneasy
 


=====
-----------------------------------------------
Harry saw that Draco had the beginnings of an impressive black eye, as well as a cut across one cheek. Oddly, it suited him. Only Draco, Harry thought wryly, could manage to give the impression that he had gotten up in the morning, decided a black eye might add to his ensemble, and punched himself in the face.

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From joym999 at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 18:40:59 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:40:59 -0000
Subject: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?
In-Reply-To: <bukf9s+hm99@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bup5fr+83o9@eGroups.com>

As David said, no real news yet, but The Leaky Cauldron is the place 
to watch.  If you google "Harry Potter Book Six Release Date" you get 
several websites which claim that the title of the book will 
be "Harry Potter and the Green Torch Flame."  Other sites have longer 
lists of rumored titles, though.

Maybe we should start another game.  What would you *like* the title 
of Book Six to be?  Personally, I want it to be:

Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire

--Joywitch




From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 19:00:10 2004
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:00:10 -0000
Subject: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?
In-Reply-To: <bup5fr+83o9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bup6jq+2abf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" 
<joym999 at a...> wrote:
> As David said, no real news yet <snip> 
Maybe we should start another game.  What would you *like* the title 
> of Book Six to be?  Personally, I want it to be:
> 
> Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire
> 
> --Joywitch

Talisman:
Ah, Joywitch, these Book 6 Release Date posts are such teasers!

I do like your game, though.  And, your title.  I'll have to spend 
some time thinking of one I like as well. 




From heidilist at tandys.org  Thu Jan 22 19:23:51 2004
From: heidilist at tandys.org (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:23:51 +0000
Subject: Title Game (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?)
In-Reply-To: <bup5fr+83o9@eGroups.com>
References: <bup5fr+83o9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1074799434.32F54C9E@r31.dngr.org>


On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 1:41pm, joywitch_m_curmudgeon wrote:

> Maybe we should start another game.  What would you *like* the title
> of Book Six to be?  Personally, I want it to be:
>
> Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire

We need a rule, imo - the 'and the' convention of the titles should be 
maintained.

And so, I propose:

Harry Potter & the Transmogrifying Serpent



From fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 19:24:50 2004
From: fakeplastikcynic at hotmail.com (Martha)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:24:50 -0000
Subject: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?
In-Reply-To: <bup5fr+83o9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bup822+5f2o@eGroups.com>

Joywitch:

> Maybe we should start another game.  What would you *like* the 
title 
> of Book Six to be?  Personally, I want it to be:
> 
> Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire

Martha:

Ooh, good idea, Joywitch!

I'd *like* it to be "Harry Potter finally sees a therapist and works 
out some of his issues", but I don't imagine it will be. ;-) So how 
about "Harry Potter And The Time They All Just Sat Around For 900 
Pages Not Doing Much"? Give the poor kid a break, huh?

Whatever the title is, I'm betting it won't give much away ("Harry 
Potter kills Voldemort"? No), and will be released in sufficient time 
for us all to overanalyse it and try and work out what it refers to: 

' "Harry Potter and the Magic Thingy"? I believe that this refers to 
the random object Dumbledore holds for about a second in book one. 
It's used as a key to start Sirius' flying motorbike, but it turns 
out to be powered by whatever it is that is kept in the locked room 
at the DoM. Dumbledore, who turns out to have been Yoda all along, 
will pass it on to Harry, who uses it to send Voldemort back in 
time...'

~ Martha




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 22:04:53 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:04:53 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <1074799434.32F54C9E@r31.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <buphe5+p5h6@eGroups.com>

Heidi opined:
> 
> We need a rule, imo - the 'and the' convention of the titles should
> be maintained.
> 
> Harry Potter & the Transmogrifying Serpent


Harry Potter and the Overbearing Publicity Machine.

Grannybat





From fc26det at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 23:34:38 2004
From: fc26det at aol.com (Potterfanme)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:34:38 -0000
Subject: Book 6 Title (was Re: Heard any gossip...)
In-Reply-To: <bup6jq+2abf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bupmme+23b4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" 
> <joym999 at a...> wrote:
> > As David said, no real news yet <snip> 
> Maybe we should start another game.  What would you *like* the 
title 
> > of Book Six to be?  Personally, I want it to be:
> > 
> > Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire
> > 
> > --Joywitch
> 
> Talisman:
> Ah, Joywitch, these Book 6 Release Date posts are such teasers!
> 
> I do like your game, though.  And, your title.  I'll have to spend 
> some time thinking of one I like as well.

Personally, I would like it to be "Harry Potter and The Answers to 
All These Darn Questions!"
Susan




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 23:46:24 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:46:24 EST
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
Message-ID: <d9.1c341fd.2d41bad0@aol.com>

 "beastscores" writes:
>> Personally I would turn it into a replica of Harry's room, but I 
would make it a reading room for the kids.  What a great place to get 
lost in a good book.....I would love to relive one of my many re-
readings of the HP books in an environment like that....hmm I wonder 
how much my wife would kill me if I did that under the stairs in our 
house.....<<

Mary here:
    It won't be exactly like Harry's, given that ours has a water heater 
smack in the middle of it. OTOH, it is  3 1/2 feet deep, and therefore it is easy 
enough to walk past the heater.  I'm thinking of putting a cot just past the 
heater, with the foot of the cot pointing to the short end of the closet. There 
is a ceiling light but no wall outlets. 

Right now there is a curtain in place of the door to keep it from getting 
musty smelling. If I put the door back on, I will want to cut air vents in it. 

Hmm, the space this side of the heater, by the door, is big enough for a 
bookcase. Besides the HP books and toys, what else should I stock in there? 

What would you want in a Harry Potter room that you were actually going to 
sleep in?

---Mary


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jan 22 23:59:33 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:59:33 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <buphe5+p5h6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bupo55+bb0q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grannybat84112" 
<grannybat at h...> wrote:
> Heidi opined:
> > 
> > We need a rule, imo - the 'and the' convention of the titles 
should
> > be maintained.
> > 
> > Harry Potter & the Transmogrifying Serpent
> 
> 
> Harry Potter and the Overbearing Publicity Machine.
> 

Harry Potter and the Choir of Amphibians.

   - CMC




From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 00:42:20 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (wormtails_a_water_goblet)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:42:20 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <bupo55+bb0q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bupqlc+ke3p@eGroups.com>

How about Harry Potter and the Family Reunion (of course, we wouldn't 
know which-- father, brother, cousin, sister, etc.)




From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 01:34:51 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:34:51 -0000
Subject: Book 6 Title (was Re: Heard any gossip...)
In-Reply-To: <bupmme+23b4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buptnr+gdf7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Potterfanme" <fc26det at a...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
> <talisman22457 at y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire
> 
> Personally, I would like it to be "Harry Potter and The Answers to 
> All These Darn Questions!"

This could be a fun thread.  Let's see,

Harry Potter and his cousin Mark Evans watch Ron go back in time 
while Neville and his parents get their memories back and finger 
Snape as the prophecy listener who went to Godric's Hollow that 
Halloween, and Percy breaks through Wormtail's Imperius curse to warn 
Regulus Black the rock star that someone's been breeding new 
monsters, until Petunia relents and saves the day by revealing her 
secret power!

Hm, but that wouldn't leave much room for cover art...

Betta smaragdina




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Fri Jan 23 01:48:07 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne Dragon)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:48:07 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Title Game
References: <buphe5+p5h6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002901c3e152$f2d4b520$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>


Heidi opined:
> 
> We need a rule, imo - the 'and the' convention of the titles should
> be maintained.
> 
> Harry Potter & the Transmogrifying Serpent


Harry Potter and the Overbearing Publicity Machine.

Grannybat



**Thinking of Dumbledore and the Mirror of Erisad**

"Harry Potter and the Sock that Wouldn't Die

**And for the Vampire!Snape fans...^^;**

"Harry Potter and the Really Toothy Potions Master"


Anne
Nope, Snape is not a vamp...;)





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 23 02:17:56 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:17:56 -0600
Subject: WARP - The MASK
Message-ID: <000001c3e157$20883e70$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Ok, here's another WARP.  This one is from "the Mask" by Michael Fallon
and Mark Verheiden.

I thought Neville Longbottom would be perfect to replace Stanley Ipkiss
because, let's face it, they lead the same kinds of lives and deserve
the same chance to make their lives better (or, at least, get back at
the people who mistreat them).  This takes place, of course, after he
has left school.  (As a side note, McGonagall gave him a graduation
present in transfiguring Trevor into a pet dog for him.)

Enjoy!  (And get writing some of these... *grin* Let's not have Kerry as
the only other person out there WARPing...)

Iggy McSnurd


Scene from "the Mask" by Michael Fallon and Mark Verheiden.
(WARPed by Iggy McSnurd)




INT. HOGWARTS HALLWAY - NIGHT
 
Neville's wet shoes SQUEAK as he tiptoes past -
 
APARTMENT "A" - MANAGER
 
A sign that reads "Quiet Please" hangs from the doorknob. Neville 
continues past it to Apartment "B". Just as he removes his keys - 
the Manager's door flies open and MRS. DURSLEY appears. She's an old 
dragon in hair curlers who will probably live forever just to spite her
relatives.
 
MRS. DURSLEY
Longbottom! Do you have any idea what time it is?
 
Reflexively, he looks at his (now empty) wrist.
 
NEVILLE
Actually, no.
 
MRS. DURSLEY
It's three o'clock in the morning!  First, you wake up the entire
building laughing it up with your pals. Then, you come in and start
squeak -
(sees puddles)
My new carpet! Just look at that!  This is coming out of your cleaning
deposit Longbottom!
 
Neville, battered, bruised and soaking wet is deep in urban shell-shock.
 
NEVILLE
(softly)
Are you done?
 
MRS. DURSLEY
...Yes.
 
NEVILLE
I think I'll be going to bed now.
 
Mrs. Dursley SLAMS her door.
 
INT. NEVILLE'S APARTMENT - CONTINUES
 
Small, full of books but very neat. A few cherished animation cels from
1940s Muggle cartoons are framed on the wall. As Neville locks the door
behind him - he's greeted by TREVOR, a happy little terrie sized mutt
with a big heart.
 
NEVILLE
Hello, Trevor.
 
Trevor gets so excited he starts GAGGING and COUGHING.
 
NEVILLE (CONT.)
Easy, buddy. I missed you too.
 
Neville pats Trevor on the rump, crosses his tiny kitchenette and 
heads straight into...
 
THE BEDROOM
 
Neville's prized collection of "golden Age" Looney Tunes Muggle tapes 
are neatly displayed on a simple bookshelf.
 
He tosses the Mask down on his bedside table, pops one of his 
cherished Tex Avery cartoons into the V.C.R., plops down on his 
bed and starts to strip off his shoes and socks.
 
TREVOR
 
enters, holding a Frisbee in his mouth.
 
NEVILLE (CONT.)
C'mon, Trevor. I'm beat.
(to the dog YIPS)
Okay, okay. One throw.
 
Neville tosses the Frisbee into the air. The disk sails...
 
OUT OF THE BEDROOM AND INTO THE HALLWAY
 
Trevor runs it down, leaps up, and makes a perfect catch. He trots back
to the bedroom, and drops it in Neville's lap.
 
NEVILLE
Easy. This is the best part.
 
On the screen a cartoon dog ZZZIPS into frame and drops a frizzing stick
of dynamite down a bad guy's pants. KA-BOOM! The dog LAUGHS 
maniacally.
 
Suddenly there is a POUNDING on the wall that rattles Neville's framed
cartoon cels.
 
NEVILLE (CONT.)
(calls out)
Sorry Mrs. Dursley.
 
With a sigh, he ejects the tape and a much quieter talk show POPS 
on. Rita Skeeter and a guest.
 
Neville rises and crosses into the bathroom to wash up.
 
ANGLE ON T.V.
 
Skeeter's guest, Guilderoy Lockhart, is replying to a caller.
 
LOCKHART
That's correct. The truth is we all wear masks, metaphorically
speaking. We repress the Id... our darkest desires and hide behind a
more socially acceptable image of ourselves in order to cope with the
frustrations of our day to day lives.
 
Neville's only half listening though the open bathroom door as he 
brushes his teeth.
 
NEVILLE
Think I'm repressed, Trevor?
 
Neville tries a couple of fierce expressions in the bathroom 
mirror, his mouth foaming with toothpaste.
 
Trevor does that doggie-head-cocked-sideways "What the hell?" look.
 
NEVILLE (CONT.)
(half-heartedly)
Nah.
 
He spits and rinses.
 
ANGLE ON T.V.
 
as Skeeter wraps it up, displaying the Lockhart's book.
 
RITA SKEETER
The book is "The Masks We Wear,"
by Guilderoy Lockhart. Thank you
Mr. Lockhart.
 
Neville pops off the T.V. with his remote.
 
NEVILLE
No thank you, Mr. Lockhart.
 
As he buttons up his P.J.s, Neville notices Trevor warily sniffing 
at the strange Mask, which is still lying on the bedside table. A 
subtle SHIMMER crosses its surface. Trevor WHIMPERS and quickly hops off
the bed.
 
We now begin to hear the "Mask Theme"... echoes of the POUNDING 
Viking drums... growing louder. Haunting whispery VOICES seem to 
call to Neville as he slowly crosses to the bedside. He picks up 
the Mask and turns it over in his hands running his fingers 
across the time work wood. The music builds...
 
He turns back to the bathroom mirror and slowly raises the Mask 
to his face. Trevor watches apprehensively from beneath the bed.
 
For an instant - the MASK SHRINK WRAPS like a vacuum over 
Neville's head. We hear the PIERCING MASK SFX.
 
Then, a beat later, the Mask is off with a POP. The SFX STOP.
 
NEVILLE (CONT.)
Whoa.
 
Neville studies the old mask, then his own face in the mirror. 
Everything's status quo. It must have been his imagination.
 
NEVILLE (CONT.)
Naw...
 
He puts the Mask on again - firmly this time. Trevor dives under 
the bed as...
 
AN INCREDIBLE METAMORPHOSIS BEGINS:
 
RUBBERY WOODEN WHIPS shoot out of the Mask and wrap around 
Neville's head - locking the Mask in place.
 
NEVILLE'S PAJAMAS magically reweave themselves... growing in all 
directions.
 
HIS HEAD THROBS AND EXPANDS, turning lime green as it unites with 
the Mask.
 
NEVILLE GRABS HIS HEAD - His body begins to move uncontrollably.
 
Spinning faster and faster like a gyroscope. The SFX get loonier 
and loonier as he becomes...
 
A HUMAN TORNADO. Neville's words are almost unintelligible as his 
voice jumps one, two, five octaves.
 
NEVILLE
Hellllllllppppmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee...
 
A HAND reaches out of the twister and locks onto the bedpost. The 
whirlwind SCREECHES to a halt, causing sparks and smoke to rise 
from the singed carpet. The smoke clears revealing...
 
THE MASK CREATURE
 
He's dressed in a snazzy dress robes - a distortion of the paisley 
material of Neville's pajamas.
 
The head is no longer Neville's. It's large, bald and bright 
green. The huge bug-eyes glow with mischief. The nose is small, 
bony and beaked. 
The mouth and teeth are enormous and gleaming white as he breaks 
into a learning grin.
 
The overall effect is devilishly loony, but not altogether unhuman. In
fact, there's something downright charming about him.
 
The Mask checks himself out in the mirror and likes what he sees.
 
THE MASK
S-s-s-nazzy!
 
He SNAPS his collar with a crazy gleam in his eyes.
 
THE MASK (CONT.)
It's party time!
 
INT. HALLWAY - NIGHT
 
Trying to be VERY, VERY quiet, the Mask tiptoes down the 
darkened corridor. The floor makes a barely audible CREEEEK as 
the Mask steps with exaggerated care pst APARTMENT "A" with it's little
"Quiet Please" sign. He raises a finger to his lip, making the "SHUSH" 
sign.
 
Suddenly - and unexplicably - a ringing ALARM CLOCK leaps out of 
Neville/Mask's pocket and starts jittering down the hall.
 
NEVILLE/MASK
O, jeepers--!
 
Neville/Mask tries to snag the clock, but it bounces away every 
time. Frustrated, he pulls a full sized SLEDGEHAMMER from his 
pocket and starts POUNDING the floor in an effort to stop the clock. 
Glancing blows shatter the clock face and most of the works, but 
those bells just keep 
ringing.
 
The hammer, of course, slams craters the size of manhole covers 
into the floor and reverberates through the building like 
THUNDERBOLTS.
 
The door bursts open and Mrs. Dursley's angry face pops out 
covered in blue mud pack and framed in curlers. She gets one look 
at the Mask with his oversized carnival mallet raised over his head and 
SCREAMS bloody murder.
 
The Mask SCREAMS in response, his eyes bugging out on stalks and 
his mouth expanding to the size of a tuba in mock horror.
 
Mrs. Peenman's door SLAMS shut and reopens a beat later as she 
appears cocking an enormous shotgun.
 
MASK
Easy lady! I was just killin' time!
 
The Mask starts ricocheting off the walls HOOTING maniacal 
laughter as Mrs. Peenman lets loose with both barrels. KA-BOOM.
 
The Mask bounces off walls as Mrs. Peenman continues to blast 
away, and finally leaps straight out the window. KEE-RASH.
 
EXT. APARTMENT - NIGHT
 
Sending his body SAILING our through the air towards the street 
seven stories below.
 
NEVILLE/MASK
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-
 
EXT. CITY STREET - NIGHT
 
SPLAT. Neville/Mask lands face up in the middle of the street. He 
slow... painfully starts to rise as a STREET CLEANING CARRIAGE 
turns a corner and RUNS DIRECTLY OVER HIM. The carriage disappears down 
the street as we HOLD on Neville/Mask's flattened body.
 
He raises one arm, grabs himself by the head and peels himself 
off the street. He shakes himself out with one sharp CRACK and 
straightens his dress robes. He's shocked to find a tiny SPOT on his
sleeve.
 
NEVILLE/MASK
Hey! You missed a spot!
 
As if on cue, a SECOND street cleaning carriage machine SLAMS into him
and 
RUNS OVER HIM AGAIN. This time he reinflates himself back into 3-D 
by blowing into his thumb and hops up.
 
NEVILLE/MASK
And next time, no starch!
 
Fully recovered, Neville/Mask starts down the street, strutting 
like a prize fighter.
 
VOICE
Hey mister...
 
Young Death Eater #1 hops down from his fire escape behind the 
Mask.
 
DEATH EATER #1
(grins evilly)
...You got the time?
 
The Mask turns to see he is surrounded by the Death Eaters. He seems to
be delighted by their presence, but now that they see his face, they're
totally freaked.
 
MASK
(wiggles eyebrows)
Why of course, Cubbie. I got all the time in the world!
 
He whips out his forearm (which grows large for emphasis cartoon-
style). It's covered with crazily spinning watches, CHIMING cuckoo
clocks and sun dials.
 
MASK
London, Paris, Rome, standard, substandard and no standards at all! And
for our English friends we have... Big Ben!
 
DEATH EATER #1
Big Ben?
 
 
Neville/Mask KICKS a nearby street post, snapping it in half and
sending a large decorative street clock PLUMMETING into the sidewalk. 
KA-BONG! It completely obliterates Death Eater#1. The other gang members
jump back in shock as the Mask races around the corner.
 
DEATH EATER #2
Get him!
 
The Death Eaters pull out flimsy, second-hand wands and race around the
corner into the alleyway.
 
INT. ALLEY
 
They come to a screeching halt as they discover Neville/Mask dressed as
a carnival barker. Multicolored lights and Calliope music come from out
of nowhere.
 
MASK
And for my next trick...
 
Long pink and blue balloons appear in Neville/Mask's hands and he
instantly goes into a frenzy of twisting and knotting them into an
elaborate balloon sculpture. SQUEAK. SQUEAK. SCREECH.
 
The Death Eaters are too stunned by the severe weirdness of all this to
do anything but stand there and stare. (These guys didn't get many NEWTs
in the first place.)
 
MASK (CONT.)
And viola! We have a giraffe!
 
Sure enough, he's created a first rate balloon sculpture. He hands it to
the biggest, dumbest Death Eater, who grins like a little kid upon
receiving it.
 
The Mask instantly goes into another flurry of motion, sculpting more
balloons. SCREECH POP.
 
MASK (CONT.)
A few more twists of the wrist and for you, Cubbie.
 
He hands this next prize to Death Eater#3.
 
MASK (CONT.)
A French poodle! And finally my favorite...
 
He goes into another flurry of motion.
 
E.C.U. - BALLOON
 
As the Mask pulls the ends of the knotted balloon, it straightens out
and MORPHS into...
 
MASK (CONT.)
A Mongolian Mini-Dragon!
 
A real one! He immediately sprays the Death Eaters with hot flames from
the mini-dragon's mouth. WOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!
 
The greasy Death Eaters dive for cover and scramble out of the alley
under a rain of fire.
 
Neville/Mask let's the mini-dragon fly away, intoxicated with his
newfound powers.
 
MASK (CONT.)
Wait a minute. This is incredible! Why, with these powers I could be an
Auror! I could fight dark witches and wizards... Work for world peace...
 
C.U. - THE MASK
 
MASK (CONT.)
But first!...
 
CUT TO:
 
EXT. RIPLEY'S BROOM FINISHING, DIAGON ALLEY - NIGHT
 
It's late, but there's still a light on inside.
 
INT. SNOP - NIGHT
 
Crabbe and Goyle, both woozy from drink, attempt to finish a card game.
A dozen empty beer bottles and two half eaten chili dogs adorn the
table.
 
Crabbe takes a big bite of his chili dog and pauses to regard it like a
true connoisseur.
 
CRABBE
Now these are serious chili dogs.
 
GOYLE
I know. Here's the proof...
(lets out a long BUUURP)
Aaah. Even tastier the secondtime around.
 
Crabbe leans forward and sticks out his index finger.
 
CRABBE
Hey Goyle, pull on my finger.
 
GOYLE
No way, man.
 
CRABBE
No, really. Go ahead.
 
GOYLE
Crabbe, don't...
 
Crabbe raises a leg anyway and rips off a nasty fart. BRAAAP!
 
CRABBE
(proudly)
That, my friend is the sweet smell of success.
 
GOYLE
(shrugs)
No style. I give it a five tops.
 
CRABBE
Okay, how about... Soprano.
 
Crabbe shifts his weight and hits an amazing high note. PWEEEEEP! Goyle
is impressed in spite of himself.
 
GOYLE
Fine muscle control.
 
CRABBE
And now for my grand finale, THX... The audience is listening!
 
Crabbe lets one loose in perfect sensurround.
 
Suddenly the front door EXPLODES inward. Neville/Mask stands there
SILHOUETTED like a gunfighter from a Clint Eastwood movie.
 
Crabbe squints into the light, unable to make out the mysterious figure.
 
CRABBE
Hey, 40 watt... we're closed!  Nobody's here.
 
MASK
Ah... but you're here.
 
Crabbe rises.
 
CRABBE
What I mean is...
 
He lets loose a sneaker to help make his point. POOOOT.
 
CRABBE
Nobody's here that wants to help you.
 
Neville/Mask now steps into the light.
 
MASK
But I'm here to help you.
 
Goyle and Crabbe's eyes go wide as they get a better look at their 
nemesis. Fear loosens Crabbe's sphincter and a last feeble bit of gas
escapes with a FWEEP!
 
Neville/Mask whirls about with a flourish and pulls two gleaming 
broomsticks from the wall.
 
MASK
Sounds like you have a little gas leak there!
 
There's a mad gleam in his eyes as he spins the broomsticks like two
huge pistols and SNAPS them to a halt.
 
MASK (CONT.)
We better do a few touch ups before you have some serious trouble.
 
The Mask TWIRLS out of frame like a human tornado.
 
Camera PUSHES IN past Goyle and Crabbe's shocked expressions into an
E.C.U. of the shop's lone oil lamp as it JIGGLES on its wire. We can't
see the mayhem, but we can hear wacky/bizarre sound F.X. as the Mask
whirls about the shop. WHIZ! SCREECH! BANG! AHOOGA!
 
GOYLE AND CRABBE
No!... Wait! Eeeeeyaah!
 
SLOW DISSOLVE TO:
 
As that light bulb becomes the morning SUN peaking over London's
skyline. CAMERA PULLS BACK through Neville's bedroom window...
 







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 23 02:34:51 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:34:51 -0600
Subject: A few more Tom Swifties...
Message-ID: <000101c3e159$7d9a50b0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

I came up with a few more Tom Swifties.  I haven't had the chance to
check if some of them are repeats of speech style.  If they are, oh
well... I like them.


"You're nothing but an inflamed itch on a baboon's bum, Potter," Draco
said rashly.

"Let's face it... You *are* rather non-descript, Neville," Ginny
declared plainly.

"I want to visit New York, Hawaii, and California," Hermione stated.

"Your backsides are really in the fire now," said Filch hotly.

"That Krum really seems to have blown Hermione over," Ron huffed.

"That Sirius Black was such a hound," breathed Madame Rosemierta in a
husky voice.

"I think I messed up my makeup, but I can't tell without a mirror," said
Lavender, screwing up her face.



*grin* Hope you enjoyed them...


Iggy McSnurd







From smaragdina5 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 04:09:19 2004
From: smaragdina5 at yahoo.com (smaragdina5)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:09:19 -0000
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
In-Reply-To: <d9.1c341fd.2d41bad0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <buq6pf+151i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
>  "beastscores" writes:

> What would you want in a Harry Potter room that you were actually 
going to 
> sleep in?

Certainly not spiders!  >;-D

Betta smaragdina





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 23 16:21:58 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:21:58 -0000
Subject: Title Game (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?)
In-Reply-To: <1074799434.32F54C9E@r31.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <burhn6+qj41@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <heidilist at t...> 
wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 1:41pm, joywitch_m_curmudgeon wrote:
> 
> > Maybe we should start another game.  What would you *like* the 
title
> > of Book Six to be?  Personally, I want it to be:
> >
> > Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire
> 
> We need a rule, imo - the 'and the' convention of the titles 
should be 
> maintained.
> 
> And so, I propose:
> 
> Harry Potter & the Transmogrifying Serpent


Here are a few titles:

Harry Potter and the Secret of Lily's Eyes

Harry Potter and the Goblin's Revenge 

Harry Potter and the End of Puberty


Jen, who always enjoyed thinking up titles for her papers more than 
the actual *writing* of said papers.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jan 23 16:59:55 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:59:55 -0000
Subject: Title game
In-Reply-To: <bup5fr+83o9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <burjub+evgq@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:
 
> Maybe we should start another game.  What would you *like* the 
title 
> of Book Six to be?  Personally, I want it to be:
> 
> Harry Potter Finds Out that Snape is too a Vampire

Harry Potter and the Outrageous Curmudgeon

Harry Potter and the American Exchange Student

David




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 22:00:40 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:00:40 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <002901c3e152$f2d4b520$755f2f04@dslverizon.net>
Message-ID: <bus5i8+9a8b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Silverthorne Dragon"
<silverthorne.dragon at v...> wrote:
> 
> ...edited...
>
> **And for the Vampire!Snape fans...^^;**
> 
> "Harry Potter and the Really Toothy Potions Master"
> 
> Anne
> Nope, Snape is not a vamp...;)

bboy_mn:

If Snape is a Vampire I'll eat Blood Lollies and drink Transylvanian
Blood Wine (similar to the Klingon variety).

I know you were trying to be humorous with the '...Really Toothy
Potions Master...' title but seriously consider this one...

"Harry Potter and the Fangs of the Master"

You have to admit, it has an intriguing mysterious quality to it.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn










From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 22:03:47 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:03:47 -0000
Subject: Title Game (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?)
In-Reply-To: <1074799434.32F54C9E@r31.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <bus5o3+6nbd@eGroups.com>

Heidi wrote:

> We need a rule, imo - the 'and the' convention of the titles should 
be 
> maintained.

I agree.  Therefore:

Harry Potter and the Monotonous Titling Convention

Amy Z
who actually has a Theory about the boring titles.  Guess I'd better 
post it on the main list.




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 23 22:42:44 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:42:44 -0600
Subject: WARP - Back to the Future III
Message-ID: <000201c3e202$3c387210$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Here's one I actually thought would be amusing to do while I was looking
through a script site for inspiration.  I'm a fan of the Back to the
Future series, and especially the third one since I know the area where
most of it was filmed.  (My dad lives near the site where they shot the
old Hogsmeade from the wild west.)  Since I needed a name for one of the
Malfoy ancestors, I chose Edmund as a nod to the Blackadder series.
(Aberforth isn't in his regular time here, but you never know, it could
be a family name. *grin*)

Hope y'all enjoy this one.

Iggy McSnurd



BACK TO THE FUTURE PART 3
Screenplay by Robert Zemeckis & Bob Gale 
(WARPed by Iggy McSnurd)


Hogsmeade train station. Harry walks onto the platform, through the
building and down the street. He passes "Honest Joe Statler - Fine
Horses" which is on the future site of Statler Carriages in 1995. He
also passes a butcher and a bathhouse where 2 MEN are talking.

Man 1: Give me some soap, Frank.

Frank: Here you go.

Harry continues down the street. He walks underneath a banner -
"Hogsmeade Festival September 5th, 1895" - and as an "A Jones" manure
wagon drives past, Harry catches sight of the Hogsmeade Courthouse -
under construction!

Horse Driver: Hiyah!

Harry narrowly escapes being hit by a horse and carriage - stepping in
horse "whoopsies" as he does so. Harry stares at his boots, before
spotting the Palace Saloon on the future site of the Dripping Ladle
(1925), the Hog's Head (1995) and the Cafe Crookshanks (2015). Harry
goes inside. The bartender, ABERFORTH, is at the counter wiping a glass.
Three OLD TIMERS are sitting at a table (they are played by 3
Shakespeare film veterans!). They all see Harry and notice his outfit.

Old Timer 1: Take a look at what just breezed in the door.

Old Timer 2: Why, I didn't know the circus was in town!

Old Timer 3: Looks like he got that robe off a dead Druid.

They laugh. Harry walks up to Aberforth.

Aberforth: What'll it be, stranger?

Harry: Uh...I'll have...uh...ice water.

Old Timer 1: Ice water? 

They all laugh again.

Aberforth: Water? You want water, you better go dunk your head in the
horse trough back there. In here, we pour firewhiskey.
 
He pours Harry a small glass. Harry just stares at it.

Harry: Excuse me. I'm trying to find a blacksmith.

Edmund: (v.o) Hey Potter... thought I done told you never to come in... 

As Harry turns around to see who said his name, he sees a mean looking
wizard with a gang of 3 others at the door to the tavern. He doesn't
know it yet but is' LUCIUS'S great grandfather from the "Lucius Malfoy
Museum" picture in 1995-A - EDMUND "MAD DOG" MALFOY!

Edmund: Hey, you ain't Seamus Potter. You look like him though.
'Specially with that dawg ugly hat. 

The gang laugh and Harry rolls his eyes before taking it off.

Edmund: You kin to that hay barber? What's your name, dude? 

Harry: Uh...Harry...

Just before he says "Potter", he remembers the name he told Seamus and
Maggie.

Harry: Bond. James Bond.

Edmund: What kind of stupid name is that? 
 
Bandit 1: I'd say he's the runt of the litter.

Bandit 2 walks over to Harry and looks at Harry's teeth.

Bandit 2: Take a look, see these pearly whites! I ain't seen teeth that
straight weren't store bought.

Bandit 3: Take a look at them boots. What kind of skins is them? What's
that writing mean? (reading the "Nike" on Harry's trainers)
Neekay...what is that, some sort of Celtic talk or something? 

Aberforth begins pouring out firewhiskey for Edmund, but with a little
help from his wand Edmund stops him.

Edmund: Bartender, I'm looking for that no good cheating blacksmith. You
seen him?

Aberforth: (scared) No, sir, Mr Malfoy, I have not.

Harry realises who Edmund is now.

Harry: (to himself) Malfoy. (to Edmund) You're Mad Dog Malfoy. 

Edmund: Mad Dog? 

Aberforth, the Old Timers and everyone else in the saloon hides, except
Harry who doesn't know what's going on. 

Edmund: I hate that name. I hate it, you hear? Nobody calls me Mad Dog!
'Specially not some, duded-up, egg sucking, guttertrash. 

Edmund shoots a flare at Harry's feet. Harry manages to jump out of the
way in time.

Harry: Argh!

Edmund: Dance! 

He fires at Harry again.
 
Edmund: Come on! 

He fires at Harry again, whilst the Bandits laugh hysterically. 

Edmund: Come on, runt, you can dance better than that!

So Harry does. He dances - the Moonwalk.

Harry: Uh... uh... Billy Jean is not my lover - whoo!

Harry jumps onto the end of a wooden plank. On the other end are barrels
- and they fly through the air, landing on Edmund! Very angry, Edmund
pulls out his wand again and shoots Harry - but luckily for Harry,
Edmund is too angry to concentrate! Harry tries to get out, tripping by
the Old Timer's table.

Old Timer 1: You better run, squirrel!

Edmund: Y'all get him!!!

Harry climbs over tables and chairs and gets past Edmund by swinging
over the chandelier. Once back on the ground, he runs out, chased by
Edmund and his gang, who get on their horses.

Harry: Woah! Woah! Woah! Woah!

Edmund and his gang quickly catch up with Harry. Edmund lassoes a rope
over Harry's neck, dragging him to the Courthouse. Harry knocks into
some of the panels on the unfinished building.

Harry: Argh!

The gang fire flare shots into the air and laugh. Edmund starts to
"hang" Harry.

Edmund: We got ourselves a new courthouse...high time we had a hanging!

Harry: Oh, oh God! 

The noose is tightened. Harry puts his hand between his neck and the
noose so he won't suffocate. Edmund and his gang are laughing loudly.
Neither they - nor Harry - see a tall man with a long cloak approach
them.

Edmund: Haven't had a hanging in a long time!

The man gets out a wand. From the hair, we can see it is - PROFESSOR
DUMBLEDORE! Dumbledore fires a wand at the rope, and Harry, saved, falls
to the ground. Edmund and his gang turn to Dumbledore. He's now aiming
his wand at them!

Dumbledore: It'll shoot the fleas off a dogs back at 500 yards, Malfoy,
and its pointed straight at your head!!

Edmund slowly rides over to Dumbledore.

Edmund: You owe me money, blacksmith.

Dumbledore: How do ya figure?

Edmund: My horse threw his shoe. Seeing' you was the one who done the
shoeing, I figures you was responsible.

Dumbledore: Well since you never paid me for the job, I say that makes
us even!

Edmund: Wrong! See I was on my horse when he threw his shoe and I got
throwed off. And that just caused me to bust a perfectly good bottle of
fine Irish Whiskey. So the way I figure, blacksmith, you owe me $5 for
the whiskey, and $75 for the horse.

Harry realises this adds up to $80 - the amount of money Dumbledore was
killed for!

Harry: (to himself, hoarsely) That's eighty dollars!

Dumbledore: Look, if your horse threw his shoe, bring him back and I'll
re-shoe him!

Edmund: But I killed that horse!

Dumbledore: Well that's your problem, Malfoy!

Edmund: Wrong. That's yours. So from now on, you better be looking
behind you when you walk. 'Cause one day you gonna get an Avada Kedavra
in your back. (to his gang) Let's go!

They leave. Harry and Dumbledore are now alone.

Harry: Dumbledore...

Dumbledore: Harry! I gave you explicit instructions not to come here but
to go back directly to 1995.

Harry: I know Dumbledore, but I had to co-

Dumbledore: But it's good to see you, Harry.

They hug.

Dumbledore: Harry, you're gonna have to do something about those
clothes. You walk around town dressed like that and you're liable to get
shot.

Harry makes a gesture around his neck.

Harry: Or hanged.

Dumbledore: What idiot dressed you in that outfit?

Harry claps his hand on Dumbledore's shoulder and smiles.

Harry: You did.





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Jan 23 23:13:08 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:13:08 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <bus5o3+6nbd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bus9q4+faaq@eGroups.com>


Given the ever increasing weight of each new volume:

Harry Potter and the Collapsing Bookshelf


Pip!Squeak




From whizbang121 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 00:28:57 2004
From: whizbang121 at yahoo.com (whizbang)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:28:57 -0000
Subject: Title Game (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Heard any gossip about release date of next book?)
In-Reply-To: <burhn6+qj41@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buse89+e2qc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
wrote:
> Here are a few titles:
> 
> Harry Potter and the Secret of Lily's Eyes
> 
> Harry Potter and the Goblin's Revenge 
> 
> Harry Potter and the End of Puberty
> 
> 
> Jen, 

How about:

Harry Potter and the Answers to All Our Questions

Harry Potter and the Junior Prom

Harry Potter and the Source of Magic

Harry Potter and the Twelfth Door





From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Jan 24 01:35:23 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:35:23 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <1074799434.32F54C9E@r31.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <busi4r+o76m@eGroups.com>

Harry Potter and the Crumple-Horned Snorkack
Harry Potter and the Lost Weekend
Harry Potter and the Long, Long Wait for Book Seven

Pippin




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 24 02:05:41 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:05:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Title Game
In-Reply-To: <busi4r+o76m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3e21e$92243ad0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

*sigh* You guys keep forgetting the obvious ones.

Harry Potter and the Massive Cash Cow.
Harry Potter and Yet Another Book.
Harry Potter and a Lot of New Theories.
Harry Potter and a Ton of List Discussions.

And, last but not least...

Harry Potter and Another Year at Hogwarts.



Iggy McSnurd







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 24 02:00:28 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:00:28 -0600
Subject: WARP - Bram Stoker's Dracula
Message-ID: <000301c3e21d$e0d63710$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:


Ok. Here's one for all you "Snape is a vampire" enthusiasts.  I did snip
out some intervening scenes and revised the two scenes in the castle
when Dracula and Harker first meet. For me, it works better this way,
rather than having to WARP the scenes in between these two.

Enjoy.

Iggy McSnurd




                     BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA
			     By - James V. Hart
			  (WARPed by Iggy McSnurd)




NIGHTFALL
                           Borgo Pass
            Harry Potter disembarks from a coach

POTTER:  We're early, driver.  No one is here.

           A fellow passenger hands Potter a crucifix

GIRL (translation):  For the dead travel fast.

 The passenger coach speeds away as Snape's coach approaches
       The coach driver bids Potter to enter and sit down
           The coach speeds away, followed by wolves

POTTER:  I say, is the castle far?

COACHDRIVER:  (No answer)

   The coach speeds up a narrow crag toward Snape's castle
            It passes through a circle of blue fire
               Potter disembarks in the courtyard
     As Potter approaches the castle doors, they swing open
        An old man bearing a lantern enters the chamber

SNAPE:  Welcome to my home.  Enter freely of your own will and
leave some of the happiness you bring.

POTTER:  Professor Snape?

SNAPE:  I am Snape, and I bid you welcome, Mr. Potter, to my
house.  Come in.

                Potter steps over the threshold
             Snape leads him into the dining room

SNAPE:  You will, I trust, excuse me that I do not join you
but I have already dined and I never drink...wine.

                      Potter begins to eat
            He motions toward a portrait on the wall

POTTER:  An ancestor?  I see a resemblance.

SNAPE:  The Order of the Chiropterans...the Bat...an ancient
society pledging my forefathers to defend the school against all
enemies of Knowledge.  That relationship was not entirely
successful.

POTTER (slightly snickering):  Oh, yes.

       Snape angrily grabs a sword, swings it overhead
                  and points the tip at Potter

SNAPE:  It is no laughing matter.  We Snapes have a right to
be proud.  What devil or witch was ever so great as Attila whose
blood flows in these veins?  Blood is too precious a thing in
these times.  The warlike days are over.  The victories of my
great race are but a tale to be told.  I am the last of my kind.

POTTER:  I have offended you with my ignorance, Professor.  Forgive
me.

                             LATER
                 The Library at Castle Snape
        Snape affixes his seal to the deed of purchase

SNAPE:  I do so long to go through the crowded streets of your
mighty London, to be in the midst of the whirl and the rush of
humanity, to share its life, its changes, its deaths.

            Potter affixes his signature to the deed

POTTER:  There.  You, Professor, are the owner of Hogwarts School near
Hogsmeade.  Congratulations.

SNAPE:  Your firm writes most highly of your talents.  They
say you are a man of good taste and that you are a worthy
substitute to your predecessor, Mr. Longbottom.

POTTER:  You may rely on me, Professor.  Forgive my curiosity but
why 10 houses in such precise locations around London?  Is it to
raise the market value?

          Snape picks up Potter's photograph of Luna

SNAPE:  Do you believe in destiny, that even the powers of
time can be ordered to a single purpose?  The luckiest man who
walks on this earth is the one who finds true love.

POTTER:  You found Luna.  I thought she was lost.  We're to be
married as soon as I return.  Are you married, Professor?

SNAPE:  (no answer)

POTTER:  Sir, are you married?

SNAPE:  I was married once...ages ago it seems.  She died.

POTTER:  Oh, I'm very sorry.

SNAPE:  She was fortunate. My life at its best is a mystery.
She will no doubt make a devoted wife and you a faithful
husband.  Come, write now, my friend, to your firm and to any
loved ones and say that it should please you to stay with me
until a month from now.

POTTER:  A month?  Do you wish me to stay so long?

SNAPE:  I will take no refusal.





***********  SKIPPING FORWARD A FEW SCENES *************

MEANWHILE

                    T R A N S Y L V A N I A

                         Castle Snape
                      Potter's Bedchamber

JONATHAN POTTER'S JOURNAL, 3Oth May, Castle Snape:  I think
strange things which I dare not confess to my own soul.  The
Professor, the way he looked at Luna's picture fills me with dread
as if I have a part to play in a story that is not known to me.

        Potter shaves while looking into a small mirror
               Potter cuts himself with the razor
                         Enter Snape

POTTER:  I didn't hear you come in.

SNAPE:  Take care how you cut yourself.  It is more dangerous
than you think.

                   Snape breaks the mirror

SNAPE:  A foul bauble of man's vanity.  Perhaps you should
grow a beard.

     Snape takes the razor, turns and licks off the blood

SNAPE:  The letters I requested...have you finished them?

               Potter hands Snape three letters

SNAPE:  Good.

                     Snape shaves Potter

SNAPE:  Should you leave these rooms, you will not by any
chance go to sleep in any other part of the castle.  It is old
and has many bad memories.  Be warned.

POTTER:  I'm sure I understand.

          Snape sees a crucifix around Potter's neck
                He snarls and pushes Potter away

SNAPE:  Do not put your faith in such trinkets of deceit!  We
are in Transylvania, and Transylvania is not England.  Our ways
are not your ways.  And, to you, there shall be many strange
things.

POTTER:  I've seen many strange things already...bloody wolves
chasing me through some blue inferno!

   Potter peers out the window to see wolves in the courtyard
                           Wolf howl

SNAPE:  Listen to them, the children of the night.  What sweet
music they make.

POTTER:  Music?  Those animals?

                          Exit Snape
                     Exit Snape's shadow
                Potter peers outside the window
  to see Snape crawling, like a reptile, up the castle wall







From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Jan 24 02:11:29 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:11:29 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Title Game
References: <000401c3e21e$92243ad0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <019d01c3e21f$62058ba0$8c3f1c40@oemcomputer>

Some might be similar to others, can't back
track that far:

Harry Potter and The Fact Book Seven is Never
Coming (In which Harry discovers his
adventures will never end and goes crazy)

Harry Potter and the Romance to Squick
Everyone

Harry Potter and The Truth No One Came Close
to Guessing

And just because I'm that weird:  New
"Schoolbook" titles (er, small books, not
actual schoolbooks)

Harry Potter and Voldemort do the tango (a
picture book)

The Truth behind "The Gleam" (a book filled
with empty pages)

Saitaina
I've only had two hrs sleep in over 24hrs, I
know they're stupid
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 24 02:18:34 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:18:34 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WARP - Bram Stoker's Dracula
In-Reply-To: <000301c3e21d$e0d63710$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000501c3e220$644cc710$18667144@Einstein>



> 
> JONATHAN POTTER'S JOURNAL, 3Oth May, Castle Snape:  I think
> strange things which I dare not confess to my own soul.  The
> Professor, the way he looked at Luna's picture fills me with dread
> as if I have a part to play in a story that is not known to me.
> 


Iggy here:

Sorry all... That was supposed to read "HARRY POTTER'S JOURNAL."


Iggy McSnurd







From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 03:02:06 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (wormtails_a_water_goblet)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:02:06 -0000
Subject: WARPS- Braveheart, DE style
Message-ID: <busn7e+cp99@eGroups.com>

Hi there, Kerry here.  This will be a 2-part post.  This scene is the 
big speech scene before the main battle in Braveheart.  In part one, 
this post, the point of view is from the DE side.  The second post, 
which will be up soon, will be from the side of the Order.  Hope you 
enjoy!



(Battlefield at Hogwarts.  The DE, with supporters, and Dumbledore's 
Army stand prepared on opposite sides of the Grounds.)


Bellatrix: Well, what news?

Wormtail: We're outnumbered, at least 3 to 1.

Bellatrix: How many house elves, then?

Wormtail: 300, maybe more.

Bellatrix: 300 house elves?

Malfoy Sr.: We must try to negotiate.

Bellatrix: Who's in command?  Did he have a scarlet and gold robe?

Wormtail: Aye, he did.

Kreature: We can still negotiate.

Crabbe Jr.: What are they talking about?

Draco: I can't hear, but it doesn't look good.  The DE will 
negotiate.  If they do a deal, then we fly home.  And if not, we 
charge the castle.

Bellatrix: 300 house elves; we have no chance.


(The heavy broomstick calvary of Dumbledore's Army appear over the 
castle and every DE supporter becomes scared.)


Crabbe Jr.: I didn't come here to fight so they can keep Hogwarts;
Then I have to go back to classes.

Draco: Nor me.  Alright lads.  I'm not dying for these mudblood-
lovers!  Let's go home.


(The two boys turn and start to leave the grounds and several others

join them.)


Malfoy Sr.: (In desperation)  Stop you.  Do not flee.  Wait until

we've negotiated.


(Voldemort and some DE into the scene. Voldemort's face is painted 
solid green, except for a yellow lightening bolt on his forehead.

Crabbe Jr.: The Dark Lord?

Draco: Can't be.  Not tall enough.


(Voldemort and his men ride up to the other DE.)


Malfoy Sr.: The Dark Lord says this must be a fashionable fight.  It's
drawn the finest people.

Bellatrix (To Voldemort): Where is thy salute?

Voldemort: For presenting yourselves on this battlefield, I give you
thanks.  Had you not shown up, like Karkaroff, I would have killed 
you!

Malfoy Sr.: This is our army.  To join it you give homage, and save 
my own skin.

Voldemort: And if this is your army, why does it go?

Draco: We didn't come here to fight for them.

Crabbe Jr.: Home.  Dumbledore's Army are too many.

Voldemort: Sons of Pure Bloods, I am Lord Voldemort.

Crabbe Jr.: The Dark Lord is 7 feet tall.

Voldemort: Yes, I've heard.  He kills men by the hundreds, and if he 
were here he'd consume the Mudbloods with fireballs from his eyes and 
bolts of lightning from his arse.  I am Lord Voldemort, and I see a 
whole army of my followers here in defiance of Dumbledore.  You have 
come to fight as free men, and lucky for you, for I would have cursed 
you otherwise.  What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight?

Draco: Fight against that? No, we will run, and we will live.

Voldemort: Aye, fight and you may die, run and you'll live.  At least 
a while, except for me because I can't die (wry smile). And dying in 
your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the 
days from this day to that for one chance, just one
chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take
your lives, but they'll never take the Dark Lord's life?!  cadere 
ascensio aeternus! (Voldemort forever!)

(The DE whisper to themselves "He's lost it")





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 24 03:17:11 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:17:11 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WARPS- Braveheart, DE style
In-Reply-To: <busn7e+cp99@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3e228$91bf2be0$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Hi there, Kerry here.  This will be a 2-part post.  This scene is the
> big speech scene before the main battle in Braveheart.  In part one,
> this post, the point of view is from the DE side.  The second post,
> which will be up soon, will be from the side of the Order.  Hope you
> enjoy!
> 
> 

Iggy here:

*grin* A few things here...

1:  I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one getting into WARPing...

2:  You managed to do a scene I was considering, but was still trying to
figure out exactly how to approach it.  Bravo!

3:  This one looks good so far... I'm looking forward to reading part
two...



Iggy McSnurd







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jan 24 03:57:21 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:57:21 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <019d01c3e21f$62058ba0$8c3f1c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <busqf1+pn3l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> 
wrote:
> Some might be similar to others, can't back
> track that far:


Harry Potter and the Inappropriate Charm

Harry Potter and the Mackled Malaclaw of Death

Harry Potter and the Pretentious Director 

Harry Potter and the Stone of the Goblet of the Order of the Chamber 
of the Prisoner of Azkaban

Harry Potter and the Mars Rover That Does Not Look Too Bright Tonight

Harry Potter and the List-Elf of Horror

  - CMC




From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 03:57:34 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (wormtails_a_water_goblet)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:57:34 -0000
Subject: WARPS- Braveheart, from the Order's perspective
Message-ID: <busqfe+b0p1@eGroups.com>

Well, here is the second post.  I took a few liberties, but I hope 
everyone remembers that this is just for fun. Enjoy!



(Battlefield at Hogwarts.  The Order of the Phoenix, with members of 
Dumbledore's Army, House elves, and professors, stand in the castle 
preparing for battle against Voldemort's supporters on the opposite 
side of the Grounds.)


Tonks: Well, what news?

Arthur: We're outnumbered, at least 3 to 1.

Tonks: How many idiots, then?

Arthur: 300, maybe more.

Tonks: 300 idiots?

Lupin: Well, that sounds promising.  We must try to negotiate with 
Dumbledore.

Tonks: Who's going to tell him he should keep on the robe?  Did he 
have the scarlet and gold robe on last time you saw him?

Arthur: Aye, he did.

Tonks: We can still negotiate then.

Harry: What are they talking about?

Hermione: I can't hear, but it doesn't look good.  The Order will 
negotiate.  If they do a deal, then we get back to classes.  And if 
not, we will be forced to watch.

Tonks: 300 idiots; he'll enjoy it too much.  We have no chance of 
talking him out of it.


(The heavy broomstick calvary of Voldemort's followers appear along 
the edge of the forbidden forest and everyone in the castle becomes 
worried.)


Ron: I didn't come here to fight so that we can keep Hogwarts;
Then I have to go back to classes.

Harry: Nor me.  I just came for the show.  But now that the time is 
upon us, I don't think I can watch.

Hermione: You two are hopeless.


(The two boys turn and start to leave the grounds and several other 
students join them.)


Lupin: (In desperation) Stop.  Do not flee.  Wait until

we've negotiated with him.  It will be worth it, I promise.


(Dumbledore and some Order members into the scene. Dumbledore's face 
and hands were painted scarlet and gold.  His robes were the same 
colors, but he wore very heavy, wool socks on his feet.  This was 
strange, because it was June.) 

Ron: Too much ancestral pride?

Hermione: Can't be.  The socks are grey.


(Dumbledore and the Order members walk up to the others.)


Lupin: The Headmaster says this must be a fashionable fight.  It's
drawn the finest people.

Tonks (To Dumbledore): Where is thy salute?

Dumbledore: For presenting yourselves on this battlefield, I give you
thanks.  Had you not shown up, you would have missed a great show.

Lupin: This is our army.  To join it you give homage, and become the 
life of the party.

Dumbledore: And if this is your army, why does it go (looking at 
Harry and Ron)?

Hermione: We don't want to watch what is about to happen.

Harry: Professor Dumbledore, must we see this?

Dumbledore: (With a twinkle in his eye) Just make sure you keep your 
eye on the enemy, and try not to look at me.

Harry: I thought we'd figured the occlumency thing out.

Dumbledore: Yes, we have.  I will signal the creatures of the 
forbidden forest, and if you watch carefully, you'll have a front row 
seat to the end of your foe, and bolts of lightning will come from my 
arse.  I am Dumbledore, and I see a whole army of my followers here 
in defiance of Voldemort (Ron cringes).  You have come to fight as my 
friends, and we will win this battle and save our loved ones.  What 
will you do with your love and humanity? Will you watch?

Hermione: Watch that? No, we will not, and we will be glad.

Dumbledore: Aye, watch and you'll see the end of Voldemort, look and 
you may enjoy your ignorance.  At least a while. And keeping your 
ignorance many years from now, would you want to trade all the days 
from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back 
here and see bolts of lightning fly out of my arse?!  Adservo meus 
nudus clunis, absens meus lanatus sockus! (Watch my naked buttocks, 
see my wooly socks!)

(The Order members whisper to themselves "Obviously, our negotiations 
were not effective.")





From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 24 03:59:27 2004
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:59:27 -0000
Subject: Question to the Northerners
Message-ID: <busqiv+8b9f@eGroups.com>

Plese excuse this born and raised Texan, but is it "normal" for Niagra
Falls to freeze over every year?  

Watching the news tonight, I found the site of an almost frozen over
Niagra Falls as enchantingly fairy tale.


Just curious,
Melody




From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 04:06:40 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (wormtails_a_water_goblet)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:06:40 -0000
Subject: WARPS- Braveheart, DE style
In-Reply-To: <000601c3e228$91bf2be0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <busr0g+5djs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi there, Kerry here.  This will be a 2-part post.  This scene is 
the
> > big speech scene before the main battle in Braveheart.  In part 
one,
> > this post, the point of view is from the DE side.  The second 
post,
> > which will be up soon, will be from the side of the Order.  Hope 
you
> > enjoy!
> > 
> > 
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> *grin* A few things here...
> 
> 1:  I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one getting into 
WARPing...
> 
> 2:  You managed to do a scene I was considering, but was still 
trying to
> figure out exactly how to approach it.  Bravo!
> 
> 3:  This one looks good so far... I'm looking forward to reading 
part
> two...
> 
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd

Kerry:
Thanks!  They really are fun...I find myself laughing to myself as I 
make them.  Let me know about #2.  Maybe we could make a book out of 
them (grin).




From frellseeker at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 08:20:19 2004
From: frellseeker at yahoo.com (dumbledalf)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:20:19 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <busqf1+pn3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <but9s3+75l7@eGroups.com>

Harry Pooter and the misprinted novel

Harry Potter and the Search for Spoc-er Sirius

Harry Potter and the crazy night he swapped his glasses for
Butterbeergoggles

Harry Potter and the Guaranteed Minimum Publishing Run

Harry Potter and the Harry Potter Macro Key

Harry Potter and the Fellowship Of The Ring

Harry Potter and the price is $19.95 US $24.95 Can  ?12.95UK..











From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 16:20:12 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:20:12 -0000
Subject: Question to the Northerners
In-Reply-To: <busqiv+8b9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buu5vs+1eju@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melody" <Malady579 at h...> wrote:
> Plese excuse this born and raised Texan, but is it "normal" for Niagra
> Falls to freeze over every year?  
> 
> Watching the news tonight, I found the site of an almost frozen over
> Niagra Falls as enchantingly fairy tale.
> 
> 
> Just curious,
> Melody

Hi, Melody!

Well, we've been a bit colder than usual in around here (the
Northeast) this year, so I would imagine there's extra ice.  But yes,
it is normal for the falls to generate plenty of ice.  Think of the
normal spray of the falls flying through the air and forming huge ice
stalagmites as it accumulates.  I saw it once a few winters back when
we stopped on the way home from Toronto.  I haven't seen a picture of
it this year, though, to compare it to.  It is beautiful, though.

Annemehr
hoping that thesis is coming along OK





From frellseeker at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 08:22:59 2004
From: frellseeker at yahoo.com (dumbledalf)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:22:59 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <busqf1+pn3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buta13+c4v9@eGroups.com>

Harry Pooter and the misprinted novel

Harry Potter and the Search for Spoc-er Sirius

Harry Potter and the crazy night he swapped his glasses for
Butterbeergoggles

Harry Potter and the Guaranteed Minimum Publishing Run

Harry Potter and the Harry Potter Macro Key

Harry Potter and the Fellowship Of The Ring

Harry Potter and the price is $19.95 US $24.95 Can  ?12.95UK..











From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 24 17:30:22 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:30:22 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WARPS- Braveheart, DE style
In-Reply-To: <busr0g+5djs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3e29f$c267b600$18667144@Einstein>

> Kerry:
> Thanks!  They really are fun...I find myself laughing to myself as I
> make them.  Let me know about #2.  Maybe we could make a book out of
> them (grin).
> 

Iggy here:

*laugh* The second perspective definitely gave some interesting
images... (And one I'd rather forget.  Who really wants an image of
Dumbledore's bare ass waggling at people?)

Keep at it.


Iggy McSnurd







From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 18:49:10 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:49:10 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <busi4r+o76m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buuen6+f8pk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> Harry Potter and the Crumple-Horned Snorkack
> Harry Potter and the Lost Weekend

The lost weekend?  Is this the SMASHED (Still Miserable About Sirius, 
Harry Endlessly Drinks) theory?

Amy Z




From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Sat Jan 24 18:19:53 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:19:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question to the Northerners
References: <busqiv+8b9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002001c3e2a6$ac0eb780$da743118@curt4ul8nl2d40>

I live in Buffalo about 20 mins from Niagara Falls. My husband is however from the Falls (as locals call it) and he says never frozen solid. There is just too much water pressure going over to have time to freeze. Every year it freezes to a certain degree but usually not till March... it's damn cold this winter so I suspect it is frozen partially already. Temps were in the single digits and below last week and haven't made it past freezing since Christmas. We are staying in a hotel on the Canadian side next week (the off season is dirt cheap... 5 star hotel suites can be had for $60 a night if you know where to look) so I'll be venturing down to grab a few shots. Best views are from the Canadian side. I usually post the good ones to my site.

New to the list btw. I joined sometime last week but hadn't finished book 5 so I was lurking... trying to avoid any posts that may spoil me. Finished it up this morning and feeling a sort of emptiness... any recommendation for a new series of books? I read them rather fast so I like to read series of books preferably to one shot stories. Going to Barnes and Noble tomorrow. I didn't like what the counter girl suggested last time I was there so I thought I'd pose it to the group here.

Hannah Pasisz
www.starbrightdesigns.net
My Sales on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2cye3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnderExposed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenArtistsWork/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LadiesCraftHour/

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  Plese excuse this born and raised Texan, but is it "normal" for Niagra
  Falls to freeze over every year?  

  Watching the news tonight, I found the site of an almost frozen over
  Niagra Falls as enchantingly fairy tale.


  Just curious,
  Melody




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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jan 24 20:44:23 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:44:23 -0000
Subject: Transitting Admiration and Affection to all Listies, while mentioning DID
Message-ID: <buulf7+bk1d@eGroups.com>

David Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21103 :

<< And all of us, if we could, would like to be in the situation where
admiration and affection transmitted are less - often much much less -
than that received. >>

While I do *adore* receiving admiration and affection, I only *seek*
it in RL. I go to these lists in hope of *transmitting* it -- I hope
to find the great posts of wit, insight, style, knowledge, etc, that
inspired feelings admiration and affection in me.

For example, I am a happy Catlady with the Incorrect Answer game,
Predicted Title game, and WARP game, to which I can reply nothing but
"LOL!".

Grannybat wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21152 :

<< I knew I'd seen her musical taste mentioned somewhere. Hmm, the
reference isn't as strong as I'd be comfortable using...well, maybe I
can hunt up the author's original interview. I will cope. >>

If you can find the original interview, please post it somewhere
(Leaky cauldron?). JKR was on Desert Island Disks, but I can't
remember even one of the ten records she chose.




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 25 05:04:43 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:04:43 -0800
Subject: Book Recommendations (Was Question to the Northerners)
References: <busqiv+8b9f@eGroups.com> <002001c3e2a6$ac0eb780$da743118@curt4ul8nl2d40>
Message-ID: <001401c3e300$bed28a40$a6706751@kathryn>


Hannah Pasisz
>
> New to the list btw. I joined sometime last week but hadn't finished book
5 so I was lurking... trying to avoid any posts that may spoil me. Finished
it up this morning and feeling a sort of emptiness... any recommendation for
a new series of books? I read them rather fast so I like to read series of
books preferably to one shot stories. Going to Barnes and Noble tomorrow. I
didn't like what the counter girl suggested last time I was there so I
thought I'd pose it to the group here.

K


There's an author called Kelley (I think) Armstrong (K Armstrong anyway even
if I have the Christian name wrong) who writes modern fantasy/horror, in the
style of Laurell K Hamilton but not as repetitive in the language (I love
LKH's books but she is very repetitive in her style and the Anita Blake
books are starting to resemble Mary-Sue type fanfiction). So far there are
two books out Bitten (about the world's only female werewolf) and Stolen
(which is still about the werewolf but introduces us to witches and
half-demons). The third is due out in February.

Having just finished criticizing Laurell K Hamilton's writing style the
Anita Blake books *are* a good read (they're pretty fast paced and
unputdownable, I usually only spot the problems once I've finished), about a
Vampire Executioner in what is basically 20th Century USA but with the
addition of all the supernatural creatures you can think of. Her other books
('A Kiss at Twilight' and 'A Caress of Shadows') are fantastic (although
bear out my Mary Sue comments since the heroine is yet again a short female
who has mystical powers and many sexy men chasing her, LKH is afaik a short
female ...) and the third one of those is also due out next month some time.

The Eoin Coiffer (again I'm not sure about the name) books are good, they're
usually found in the older children's section but I think they're great.
Very amusing. The first one is Artemis Fowl, I forget what the sequels are
but I think the follow the HP titling convention with Artemis' name being in
the title of all of them. He's a ten year old criminal genius fighting
against (or with in some cases) LEPRecons (Lower Elements Patrol Recon -
basically the fairy version of SWAT).

If you like mysteries, especially historical mysteries, the Matthew
Bartholomew Chronicles by Susannah Gregory are fantastic. He's a doctor of
medicine teaching at Cambridge in the early medieval period who keeps
getting dragged into solving murders by the Senior Proctor who is a friend
of his. They're often full of politics and conspiracies (university level
politics rather than nation level) but written from the pov of someone who
just wants to teach medicine in peace and quiet and wishes people wouldn't
keep involving him in these things.

Patricia Cromwell writes fantastic modern mysteries, although I prefer the
earlier ones in the series and, living alone as I do, actually couldn't
sleep with the lights off after a couple of them. She's a fantastic author.

Oh and I just discovered the CSI novels. The two I've read are great -
although the author insists on pairing Sara and Gil as investigators which
is annoying for those of us who are watching the current season and
*praying* that the SS GEEK LOVE goes the way of the Titanic. Sara has
recently been working my very last nerve!

Or you could always go back a while and look for less recent books such as
anything by Agatha Christie or Ngaio Marsh or Dorothy L Sayers.

That's just off the top of my head anyway, I'm sure there are lots of other
series I love, but those are the first few I could think off.

K





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 24 21:14:08 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:14:08 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Transitting Admiration and Affection to all Listies, while mentioning DID
In-Reply-To: <buulf7+bk1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3e2bf$044cf890$18667144@Einstein>

> Catlady
>
> David Frankis wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/21103 :
> 
> << And all of us, if we could, would like to be in the situation where
> admiration and affection transmitted are less - often much much less -
> than that received. >>
> 
> While I do *adore* receiving admiration and affection, I only *seek*
> it in RL. I go to these lists in hope of *transmitting* it -- I hope
> to find the great posts of wit, insight, style, knowledge, etc, that
> inspired feelings admiration and affection in me.
> 
> For example, I am a happy Catlady with the Incorrect Answer game,
> Predicted Title game, and WARP game, to which I can reply nothing but
> "LOL!".
> 

Iggy here:

*grin* Considering what you're replying to there was, mainly, a reply to
one of my posts, I should put in a comment or two...

First off, the stuff that I post isn't designed for me to receive
accolades and huzzahs... It's for me to share in my creative efforts and
take part in increasing the enjoyment of the members of the list.

On the other hand, as any artist will tell you, while they may do the
art for the sake of the art, they also like to hear when someone
appreciates the level of effort they put into the work, and the
creativity they invested in another's enjoyment.

Get the difference?

I enjoy WARPing... and writing Filks... and telling jokes... and
participating in the games...  and I send them in with the hopes that
others will enjoy my contributions.

Let me give you an example with the WARPs, and how I view them:

While it might be nice for people to tell me that I did a particularly
nice job on a WARP, even in a direct e-mail, a bigger compliment for me
is if someone is inspired by the idea I came up with and actually try
their hand at it... as Kerry has already done.  If this idea takes off
as much as Filks have, I'll be a happy camper because I will have left a
good and lasting mark on the list... whether people remember it as
beginning with me or not.

Me stating a while back that I was curious as to what people thought of
my WARPs was not an effort to get hosannas, it was asking if it was
worth the effort to continue posting them, since the only one that had
really gotten a response was the first one.  I was just wondering what
people thought of them... pure and simple... as any other artist would.

That Catlady included that she enjoys the WARPs in this post, lets me
know that another person out there likes what Kerry and I are
contributing...


Iggy McSnurd







From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Sat Jan 24 21:09:49 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:09:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Recommendations (Was Question to the Northerners)
References: <busqiv+8b9f@eGroups.com> <002001c3e2a6$ac0eb780$da743118@curt4ul8nl2d40> <001401c3e300$bed28a40$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <004401c3e2be$67f4dcb0$da743118@curt4ul8nl2d40>

Thank you thank you!!!! I am taking the list to B&N tomorrow!

Hannah Pasisz
www.starbrightdesigns.net
My Sales on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2cye3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnderExposed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenArtistsWork/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LadiesCraftHour/



  Or you could always go back a while and look for less recent books such as
  anything by Agatha Christie or Ngaio Marsh or Dorothy L Sayers.

  That's just off the top of my head anyway, I'm sure there are lots of other
  series I love, but those are the first few I could think off.

  K


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 24 21:59:00 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:59:00 -0600
Subject: WARP - the MATRIX
Message-ID: <000101c3e2c5$46555ce0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Ok, here's a fun one for you all.  I had a blast with this one.  It's
more imagining the characters in the situations than actually putting it
into the Wizarding World.  You will notice two things. I gave something
to the Harry/Hermione shippers out there, and also for the "Lupin is the
hidden Judas" theorists out there.  (See if you can figure them out.
You will need to know both the HP books, and the Matrix movies.)

As always, I hope you enjoy this one.  (And I hope I didn't miss any
names or words in this one... *sheepish grin*)

Iggy McSnurd



 
                       THE MATRIX

                             by

                  Larry and Andy Wachowski
		   (WARPed by Iggy McSnurd)




INT.  INTERROGATION ROOM

CLOSE ON a camera monitor; wide angle view of a white room
where Harry is sitting at a table alone.

We MOVE INTO the monitor, entering the room as if the
monitor was a window.

At the same moment, the door opens and the agents enter.
Cornelius Fudge sits down across from Harry.  A thick manila
envelope slaps down on the table between them.

Harry glances at the name on the file: "Potter, Harry"

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          As you can see, we've had our eye on
          you for some time now, Mr. Potter.

He opens the file.  Paper rattle marks the silence as he
flips several pages.  Harry cannot tell if he is looking at
the file or at him.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          It seems that you have been living
          two lives.  In one life, you are
          Harry Potter, program writer
          for a respectable software company.
          You have a social security number,
          you pay your taxes and you help your
          landlady carry out her garbage.

The pages continue to turn.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          The other life is lived in computers
          where you go by the hacker alias
          Seeker, and are guilty of virtually
          every computer crime we have a law
          for.

Harry feels himself sinking into a pit of manure.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          One of these lives has a future.
          One of them does not.

He closes the file.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          I'm going to be as forthcoming as I
          can be, Mr. Potter.  You are here
          because we need your help.

He removes his sunglasses, his eyes are unnatural ice-
blue.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          We know that you have been contacted
          by a certain individual.  A man who
          calls himself Dumbledore.  Whatever
          you think you know about this man is
          irrelevant to the fact that he is
          wanted for acts of terrorism in more
          countries than any other man in the
          world.  He is considered by many
          authorities to be the most dangerous
          man alive.

He leans closer.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          My colleagues believe that I am
          wasting my time with you but I
          believe you want to do the right
          thing.  It is obvious that you are
          an intelligent man, Mr. Potter,
          and that you are interested in the
          future.  That is why I believe you
          are ready to put your past mistakes
          behind you and get on with your
          life.

Harry stares to match his stare.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          We are willing to wipe the slate
          clean, to give you a fresh start and
          all we are asking in return is your
          cooperation in bringing a known
          terrorist to justice.

Harry nods to himself.

                         HARRY
          Yeah.  Wow.  That sounds like a real
          good deal.  But I think I have a
          better one.  How about I give you
          the finger --

He does.

                         HARRY
          And you can cram that file up your
          Ministry sphincter.

Cornelius Fudge puts his glasses back on.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          You disappoint me, Mr. Potter.

                         HARRY
          You can't scare me with Gestapo
          crap.  I know my rights.  I want my
          phone call!

Cornelius Fudge smiles.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          And tell me, Mr. Potter, what good
          is a phone call if you are unable to
          speak?

The question unnerves Harry and strangely he begins to feel
the muscles in his jaw tighten.

The standing agents snicker, watching Harry's confusion grow
into panic.

Harry feels his lips grow soft and sticky as they slowly
seal shut, melding into each other until all traces of his
mouth are gone.

Wild with fear, he lunges for the door but the agents
restrain him, holding him in the chair.

                         CORNELIUS FUDGE
          You are going to help us, Mr.
          Potter, whether you want to or
          not.

Fudge nods and the other two rip open his shirt.

>From a case taken out of his suit coat, Fudge removes a
long, fiber-optic wire tap.

Harry struggles helplessly as Fudge dangles the wire over
his exposed abdomen.  Horrified, he watches as the
electronic device animates, becoming an organic creature
that resembles a hybrid of an insect and a fluke worm.

Thin, whisker-like tendrils reach out and probe into Harry's
navel.  He bucks wildly as Fudge drops the creature which
looks for a moment like an uncut umbilical cord --

-- before it begins to borrow, its tall thrashing as it
worms its way inside.


INT.  HARRY'S APARTMENT

Screaming, Harry bolts upright in bed.

He realizes that he is home.  Was it a dream?  His mouth
is normal.  His stomach looks fine.  He starts to take a
deep, everything-is-okay breath when --

The PHONE RINGS.

It almost stops his heart.  It continues RINGING, building
pressure in the room, forcing him up out of bed, sucking
him in with an almost gravitational force.

He answers it, saying nothing.

                         DUMBLEDORE (V.O.)
          This line is tapped so I must be
          brief.

                         HARRY
          The agents --

                         DUMBLEDORE (V.O.)
          They got to you first, but they've
          underestimated how important you
          are.  If they knew what I know, you
          would probably be dead.

                         HARRY
          What do you know?

                         DUMBLEDORE (V.O.)
          You're the One, Harry.  You see, you
          may have spent the last few years
          looking for me, but I've spent most
          of my life looking for you.

Harry feels sick.

                         DUMBLEDORE (V.O.)
          Do you still want to meet?

                         HARRY
          ... Yes.

                         DUMBLEDORE (V.O.)
          Go the Adams Street bridge.

CLICK.  He closes his eyes, unsure of what he has done.


EXT.  CITY STREET - NIGHT

It is just beyond the middle of the night; that time when
it seems there are no rules and everything feels unsafe.

Harry's boots scrape against the concrete.  Every pair of
eyes he passes seems to follow him.

As he reaches the bridge, headlights creep in behind him.
He turns just as the car slides quickly to a stop beside
him.  The back door opens.

                         HERMIONE
          Get in.


INT.  CAR

A large black man named KINGSLEY is driving.  Beside him is a
beautiful androgyne called TONKS, aiming a large gun at
Harry.

                         HARRY
          What the hell is this?!

                         HERMIONE
          It's necessary, Harry.  For our
          protection.

                         HARRY
          From what?

                         HERMIONE
          From you.

She lifts a strange steel and glass device that looks like
a cross between a rib separator, speculum and air
compressor.

                         TONKS
          Take off your shirt.

He looks at the strange device and the gun still trained
on him.

                         HARRY
          What?  Why?

                         TONKS
          Stop the car.

Kingsley does.

                         TONKS
          Listen to me, coppertop!  We don't
          have time for 'twenty questions.'
          Right now there is only one rule.
          Our way or the highway.

                         HARRY
          Fine.

                         HERMIONE
          No, we can't let him go --

Harry opens the door.

                         HERMIONE
          Harry, please, you have to trust me.

                         HARRY
          Why?

                         HERMIONE
          Because you've been down there, Harry.
          You already know that road.  You
          know exactly where it ends.

Harry stares out into the dark street beyond the open door.

                         HERMIONE
          And I know that's not where you want
          to be.

                         HARRY
          ... damn.

He closes the door.


EXT.  LOWER WACKER

A moment later the green lights of Lower Wacker curve over
the car's tinted windshield as it rushes through the
underworld.


INT.  CAR

Harry grudgingly strips off his T-shirt.

                         HERMIONE
          Lie back.

Hermione sets the device over Harry's stomach its three
corners resting on the points of his pelvis and sternum.
She then guides a mounted cylindrical probe into his navel
and squeezes a hand pump a few times to form a tight seal.

                         HARRY
          What is this thing?

                         HERMIONE
          We think you're bugged.  Try to
          relax.

She turns a dial and the machine bears down on Harry's
midsection, the cylinder sucking hard at his stomach.

Harry screams, squinting in pain as Hermione watches the
needle on a pressure gauge climb steadily.

                         HERMIONE
          Come on, come on...

The machine quivers as the pressure builds higher and
higher until something finally rockets wetly out of Harry's
stomach through the machine's coils.

                         HERMIONE
          Got it.

Hermione shuts off the compressor, Harry cradling his
stomach.

                         HARRY
          Got what?  My spleen?

Hermione lifts a glass cage at the end of the tubing.
Inside the small fluke-like bug flips and squirms, its
tendrils flapping against the clear walls.

She unrolls the window and dumps it out.


EXT.  CAR

It hits the pavement with a metallic tink, reverted back
into a common wire tap, as the car disappears down the
street.


EXT.  HOTEL LAFAYETTE

The car stops in a deserted alley behind a forgotten
hotel.


INT.  LAFAYETTE

It is a place of putrefying elegance, a rotting host of
urban maggotry.

Hermione leads Harry from the stairwell down the hall of the
thirteenth floor.  They stop outside room 1313.

                         HERMIONE
          This is it.

Harry can hear his own heart pounding.

                         HERMIONE
          Let me give one piece of advice.  Be
          honest.  He knows more than you can
          possibly imagine.


INT.  ROOM 1313

Across the room, a DARK FIGURE stares out the tall windows
veiled with decaying lace.  He turns and his smile lights
up the room

                         DUMBLEDORE
          At last.

He wears a long black coat and his eyes are invisible
behind circular mirrored glasses.

He strides to Harry and they shake hands.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Welcome, Harry.  As you no doubt have
          guessed, I am Dumbledore.

                         HARRY
          It's an honor.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Please.  Come.  Sit.

He nods to Hermione.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Thank you, Hermione.

She bows her head sharply and exits through a door to an
adjacent room.

They sit across from one another in cracked, burgundy-
leather chairs.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          I imagine, right now, you must be
          feeling a bit like Alice, tumbling
          down the rabbit hole?

                         HARRY
          You could say that.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          I can see it in your eyes.  You have
          the look of a man who accepts what
          he sees because he is expecting to
          wake up.

A smile, razor-thin, curls the corner of his lips.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Ironically, this is not far from the
          truth.  But I'm getting ahead of
          myself.  Can you tell me, Harry, why
          are you here?

                         HARRY
          You're Dumbledore, you're a legend.
          Most hackers would die to meet you.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Yes.  Thank you.  But I think we
          both know there's more to it than
          that.  Do you believe in fate, Harry?

                         HARRY
          No.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Why not?

                         HARRY
          Because I don't like the idea that
          I'm not in control of my life.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          I know exactly what you mean.

Again, that smile that could cut glass.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Let me tell you why you are here.
          You have come because you know
          something.  What you know you can't
          explain but you feel it.  You've
          felt it your whole life, felt that
          something is wrong with the world.
          You don't know what, but it's there
          like a splinter in your mind,
          driving you mad.  It is this feeling
          that brought you to me.  Do you know
          what I'm talking about?

                         HARRY
          The Matrix?

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Do you want to know what it is?

Harry swallows hard and nods.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          The Matrix is everywhere, it's all
          around us, here even in this room.
          You can see it out your window or on
          your television.  You feel it when
          you go to work, or go to church or
          pay your taxes.  It is the world
          that has been pulled over your eyes
          to blind you from the truth.

                         HARRY
          What truth?

                         DUMBLEDORE
          That you are a slave, Harry.  Like
          everyone else, you were born into
          bondage, kept inside a prison that
          you cannot smell, taste, or touch.
          A prison for your mind.

The LEATHER CREAKS as he leans back.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Unfortunately, no one can be told
          what the Matrix is.  You have to see
          it for yourself.

Dumbledore opens his hands.  In the right is a red pill.  In
the left, a blue pill.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          This is your last chance.  After
          this, there is no going back.  You
          take the blue pill and the story
          ends.  You wake in your bed and you
          believe whatever you want to
          believe.

The pills in his open hands are reflected in the glasses.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          You take the red pill and you stay
          in Wonderland and I show you how
          deep the rabbit hole goes.

Harry feels the smooth skin of the capsules, the moisture
growing in his palms.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Remember that all I am offering is
          the truth.  Nothing more.

Harry opens his mouth and swallows the red pill.  The
Cheshire smile returns.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Follow me.

He leads Harry into the other room, which is cramped with
high-tech equipment, glowing ash-blue and electric green
from the racks of monitors.

Hermione, Kingsley and Lupin look up as they enter.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Kingsley, are we on-line?

                         KINGSLEY
          Almost.

He and Hermione are working quickly, hard-wiring a complex
system of monitors, modules and drives.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Harry, time is always against us.
          Will you take a seat there?

Harry sits in a chair in the center of the room and Hermione
begins gently fixing white electrode disks to his head,
arms, and the back of his neck.  Near the chair is an old
oval dressing mirror that is cracked.

He whispers to Hermione:

                         HARRY
          You did all this?

She nods, placing a set of headphones over his ears.  They
are wired to an old hotel phone.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          The pill you took is part of a trace
          program.  It's designed to disrupt
          your input/output carrier signal so
          we can pinpoint your location.

                         HARRY
          What does that mean?

                         CYPHER
          It means buckle up, Dorothy, 'cause
          Kansas is going bye-bye.

Distantly, through the ear phones, he hears Kingsley pounding
on a keyboard.  Sweat beads his face.  His eyes blink and
twitch when he notices the mirror.

Wide-eyed, he stares as it begins to heal itself, a
webwork of cracks that slowly run together as though the
mirror were becoming liquid.

                         HARRY
          Damn...

Lupin works with Kingsley, checking reams of phosphorescent
data.  Hermione monitors Harry's electric vital signs.

Harry reaches out to touch the mirror and his fingers
disappear beneath the rippling surface.

Quickly, he tries to pull his fingers out but the mirror
stretches in long rubbery strands like mirrored-taffy
stuck to his fingertips.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Have you ever had a dream, Harry, that
          you were so sure was real?

                         HARRY
          This can't be...

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Be what?  Be real?

The strands thin like rubber cement as he pulls away,
until the fragile wisps of mirror thread break.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          What if you were unable to wake from
          that dream, Harry?  How would you know
          the difference between the dream
          world and the real world?

With the TINKLING of GLASS, shimmering SNOWFLAKES of
electric-blinking mercury fall, HIT the GROUND, and fade.

Harry looks at his hand; fingers distended into mirrored
icicles that begin to melt rapidly, dripping, running like
wax down his fingers, spreading across his palm where he
sees his face reflected.

                         HARRY
          Uh-oh...

                         HERMIONE
          It's going into replication.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Kingsley?

                         KINGSLEY
          Still nothing.

Dumbledore takes out a cellular phone and dials a number.

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Moody, we're going to need the signal
          soon.

The mirror gel seems to come to life, racing, crawling up
his arms like hundreds of insects.

                         HARRY
          It's cold.

The mirror creeps up his neck as Harry begins to panic,
tipping his head as though he were sinking into the
mirror, trying to keep his mouth up.

                         HARRY
          It's all over me --

Dumbledore is right next to him with the phone.

                         HERMIONE
          I got a fibrillation!

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Damn!  Kingsley?

Streams of mercury run from Harry's nose.

                         KINGSLEY
          Targeting... almost there.

An ALARM on Hermione's monitor ERUPTS.

                         HERMIONE
          He's going into arrest!

                         KINGSLEY
          Lock!  I got him!

                         DUMBLEDORE
          Now, Moody, now!

His eyes tear with mirror, rolling up and closing as a
high-pitched ELECTRIC SCREAM erupts in the headphones --

It is a piercing shriek like a computer calling to another
computer --

Harry's body arches in agony and we are PULLED like we were
pulled INTO the holes of the phone --

-- sucked INTO his scream and swallowed by DARKNESS.








From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jan 24 22:23:16 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:23:16 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bum28o+fm3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buur8k+ijj9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marci "Goldie Black"
<blackgold101 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Why is Hagrid's hair so bushy?

He has a nest of Crumple-horned Snorkaks living there (they are rather
smaller than Luna thinks they are).

Next question: "Potter!" said Snape suddenly. "What would I get if I
added powdered root of asphodel to an infusion of wormwood?"
 




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 00:12:40 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:12:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buur8k+ijj9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040125001240.34520.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
> Next question: "Potter!" said Snape suddenly. "What
> would I get if I
> added powdered root of asphodel to an infusion of
> wormwood?"
For your information Potter, asphodel and wormwood
make a cleansing potion so powerful it is known as the
Shampoo That Can Clean Severus Snapes Greasy Hair.

Next Question: Aside from the Sorcerer's Stone, what
are the other necessary ingredients for The Elixir of
Life?

~Katie 


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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sun Jan 25 00:43:07 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:43:07 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040125001240.34520.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <buv3er+saib@eGroups.com>

> ~Katie
> Next Question: Aside from the Sorcerer's Stone, what
> are the other necessary ingredients for The Elixir of
> Life?
> 
 
A bottle of single malt whisky. Oh, and some ice.



[The Gaelic for whisky is uisge beatha, 'water of life' ;-) ]



Next question:

What adverse side effect is caused by using animal hair in Polyjuice 
potion?


Pip





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sun Jan 25 00:45:55 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:45:55 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
References: <buv3er+saib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017301c3e2dc$97e8ba40$24301c40@oemcomputer>

Pip wrote:

<What adverse side effect is caused by using
animal hair in Polyjuice
potion?>

Depends on the sex drive of the animal
(would suck if it was sloth hair wouldn't
it?)

Next Question:

Why does Voldemort really keep Peter around?

Saitaina
Hoping said question has not been asked.
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I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Jan 25 01:06:21 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:06:21 -0000
Subject: Question to the Northerners
In-Reply-To: <busqiv+8b9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buv4qd+nlr4@eGroups.com>

Melody wrote:

> Watching the news tonight, I found the site of an almost frozen 
over
> Niagra Falls as enchantingly fairy tale.

prompting the question: what goes whiz-clunk-aaargh-tinkle?

A: a man in a barrel who doesn't watch the news

:D




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jan 25 02:28:55 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:28:55 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <017301c3e2dc$97e8ba40$24301c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <buv9l7+109da@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> 
wrote:

> Why does Voldemort really keep Peter around?
> 

Every great stand-up comic needs a straight man ("Man, I'm 
killing 'em tonight!")

Next:

Why does Madam Pince prohibit chocolate in the library?

  - CMC




From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 03:03:44 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (Kerry Wolber)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:03:44 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buv9l7+109da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buvbmg+lhni@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
 Why does Madam Pince prohibit chocolate in the library?

Well, after a rather nasty run in with a dementor, and Madame 
Pomfrey's overzealous treatment, she can no longer stand the smell of 
it.

Next:
Why does Kreature want to keep the Black Family Tree?




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 04:57:57 2004
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Sternel)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:57:57 -0000
Subject: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <buuen6+f8pk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buvicl+2q98@eGroups.com>

This isn't so much speculation as shamelessly stolen from a paper a 
friend of mine wrote for a psych. course this past summer:

"Harry Potter and the Posttraumatic Stress Disorder of the Phoenix"

-Sternel, who suffered from that herself last June 0=)




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 05:53:56 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:53:56 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buvbmg+lhni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <buvllk+31eq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Wolber"
<wormtails_a_water_goblet at y...> wrote:

> Next:
> Why does Kreature want to keep the Black Family Tree?

He wants to use it for his thesis on the risks and benefits of
pureblooded inbreeding among magical humans.

Next question:
What is the rest of Dumbledore's joke:
"A troll, a hag, and a leprechaun all go into a bar..."

Annemehr





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jan 25 05:58:43 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:58:43 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buvllk+31eq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3e308$4d430ff0$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Next question:
> What is the rest of Dumbledore's joke:
> "A troll, a hag, and a leprechaun all go into a bar..."
> 
> Annemehr

Iggy here:

"... twenty minutes later, only the Troll walks back out after eating
the other two, who should have known better than to go drinking with a
Troll."


Next one:

Why is there a giant squid in the Hogwarts lake?



Iggy McSnurd







From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 07:39:15 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:39:15 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000401c3e308$4d430ff0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <buvrr3+d6n7@eGroups.com>

Iggy wrote:

> Why is there a giant squid in the Hogwarts lake?

Because the Hogwarts prefects' bathtub is too small.

Next one:

What does a Boggart turn into when it sees Dumbledore?

Amy Z




From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 08:59:14 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:59:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Write me a WARPS
In-Reply-To: <1074977764.1402.43392.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040125085914.26662.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't have the time or the energy to do it myself,
but I thought up an intresting WARPS that could also
incorporate a Filk or two.
So, I'll leave it to some imaginative list member to
write up a nice Rocky Horror Picture Show WARPS.
I was thinking of the following charecters:

Brad=Harry
Janet=Hermione
Riff Raff=Snape
Magenta=McGonagall
Frank-N-Furter=Dumbledore

or how about Columbia=Cho Chang and Eddie=Cedric
Griggory. You could filk the song Hot Patootie, then
have Eddie/Cedric get AK'd by Volde-Furter afterwards.

Any takers? Sorry, no prize monies awarded, but you
will have the satisfaction of knowing we're all in awe
of your comedic talents.

Tyler


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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Jan 25 10:34:36 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:34:36 -0000
Subject: Sorry, you missed
Message-ID: <bv063s+5kbh@eGroups.com>


Not often I stray onto the OTC site, just occasionally to see what's exercising the 
members,  but I received email birthday congrats on the 20th which puzzled me.

On enquiring, I was told it originated from the HP OTC list which presumably ties into  
details on the database. 

Duff info, folks.

Since I can't recall logging my birthday details on joining (though at my age I won't 
swear to anything that far  back) and certainly  haven't since, I  suspect  that this is a 
hangover  from the intrusions of a few weeks back.

Might be worthwhile for members to check their own details and advise Admin of
any  inaccuracies.

Kneasy





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Jan 25 10:36:16 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:36:16 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sorry, you missed
In-Reply-To: <bv063s+5kbh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <401436D0.15677.1944BA3@localhost>

On 25 Jan 2004 at 10:34, arrowsmithbt wrote:

> 
> Not often I stray onto the OTC site, just occasionally to see what's exercising the 
> members,  but I received email birthday congrats on the 20th which puzzled me.
> 
> On enquiring, I was told it originated from the HP OTC list which presumably ties into  
> details on the database. 
> 
> Duff info, folks.
> 
> Since I can't recall logging my birthday details on joining (though at my age I won't 
> swear to anything that far  back) and certainly  haven't since, I  suspect  that this is a 
> hangover  from the intrusions of a few weeks back.
> 
> Might be worthwhile for members to check their own details and advise Admin of
> any  inaccuracies.

Well, just for the record, my record was still correct and it was 
my birthday on the 20th... so they didn't change every record.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Jan 25 12:10:22 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:10:22 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buvrr3+d6n7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bv0bne+gikd@eGroups.com>

Amy Z:
> 
> What does a Boggart turn into when it sees Dumbledore?

Minerva McGonagall reading Trelawney's diary

Why are there flying pigs on the school gateposts?

D




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 13:08:40 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:08:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sorry, you missed
In-Reply-To: <bv063s+5kbh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040125130840.77262.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- arrowsmithbt <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:
> 
> Not often I stray onto the OTC site, just
> occasionally to see what's exercising the 
> members,  but I received email birthday congrats on
> the 20th which puzzled me.
> 
> On enquiring, I was told it originated from the HP
> OTC list which presumably ties into  
> details on the database. 
> 
> Duff info, folks.
> 
Consider it belated wishes for your last birthday. :-D

> Since I can't recall logging my birthday details on
> joining (though at my age I won't 
> swear to anything that far  back) and certainly 
> haven't since, I  suspect  that this is a 
> hangover  from the intrusions of a few weeks back.
> 
I'd have to say you're right. I'll delete the entry
from the database, unless you care to have the correct
date there, in which case I can edit the entry for
you.

> Might be worthwhile for members to check their own
> details and advise Admin of
> any  inaccuracies.
> 
Kneasy has a good suggestion here. Please do check
your birthday entry in the database. If there are any
errors, you can feel free to email me offlist
(s_ings at yahoo.com) and I'll make the necessary
changes/deletions. The 'intrusions' (like that
expression, Kneasy) in the database, did create some
errors that caused some birthdays to be missed. For
those of you who don't have entries and would like
birthday wishes on OTC, feel free to add your
information or to send it to me for addition.

Shaun, thanks for pointing out that not 'all' the
entries were altered and that we are getting some of
them right.

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who would prefer to send
greetings on the correct dates :-D

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 13:13:52 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:13:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday x 2!
Message-ID: <20040125131352.97321.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>

*surveys the decorated room with satisfaction, hangs
some extra fairy lights and wanders off to bring in
the food*

Oh, wait. Gail is one of today's birthday people. 

*rushes out and comes back with a filk songbook and
karaoke machine*

Now we can get started. :-D

Today's birthday honourees are Gail and Peppersrgent.
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to: houseofbohacek at earthlink.net and
peppersrgent at yahoo.com

I hope you both have wonderful days, filled with fun,
magic and the company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Gail!
Happy Birthday, Peppersrgent!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf 

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 13:46:31 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:46:31 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday x 2!
In-Reply-To: <20040125131352.97321.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bv0hbn+d9ba@eGroups.com>

The Birthday Elf announced:

> Today's birthday honourees are Gail and Peppersrgent.
> Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
> directly to: houseofbohacek at e... and
> peppersrgent at y...

It's Gail's birthday AND the birthday of someone who's named 
him/herself after a Beatles album?  That is either an astounding 
coincidence, or Gail's got two IDs.  I bet she's wangling for a 
double helping of cake and ice cream.

<g>  Happy birthday to you both!

Amy Z
humming "Birthday" to herself




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 23:20:06 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:20:06 EST
Subject: the cupboard under the stairs
Message-ID: <130.2a651946.2d45a926@aol.com>

Betta smaragdina writes:
>> Certainly not spiders!  >;-D <<

If you live in the Willamette Valley of Oregon, you have spiders! <g> 

OTOH, if they are indoors, I do remove as many webs and spiders as I can. 
Outdoors, they are quite beautiful and useful. 

---Mary, who treasures her memory of dewy spiderwebs, high in the trees, one 
a foggy morning.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From profwildflower at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 25 23:22:55 2004
From: profwildflower at mindspring.com (a_sheprich_2003)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:22:55 -0000
Subject: Book Recomendations
Message-ID: <bv1j4f+3lun@eGroups.com>

Hi, Hannah.  Here are some other recommendations from kids' lliterature:

         Susan Cooper, The Dark Is Rising series
          ~ Over Sea, Under Stone
          ~ The Dark Is Rising
          ~ Greenwitch
          ~ The Grey King
          ~ Silver on the Tree
These are set in Wales, a special place in my heart.

         Diane Duane, The Wizard Series
         ~ So You Want to be a Wizard
         ~ Deep Wizardry
         ~ High Wizardry
         ~ A Wizard Abroad
         ~ The Wizard's Dilemma 
         ~ A Wizard Alone
         ~ A Wizard on Vacation
The first six are out in paperback; the seventh is still in hardback.  I haven't 
read the seventh, but I think that's the correct title.  

       Monica Furlong
        ~ Wise Child
        ~ Juniper

And for sheer imagination, Clive Barker's Abarat is excellent.  It sounds as 
though there will be more than one book of Abarat, so someday it will be a 
series, but for now there's only one book.

The newest adventure I know of is Eregon, written by the 15-year old whose 
last name starts with "P."  I haven't read it, but the reviews are good and the 
map on the end papers is very detailed.

Enjoy!    Whimsy









From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 23:30:37 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:30:37 EST
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game
Message-ID: <1c2.14495fc0.2d45ab9d@aol.com>

Iggy writes:
>> Why is there a giant squid in the Hogwarts lake? <<

I think it's because:
She retired after filming The Fellowship of the Ring. 

---Mary


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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 23:43:56 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:43:56 -0000
Subject: I found out what happened to Baby Norbert
Message-ID: <bv1kbs+psho@eGroups.com>

See Norbert's sad fate at:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040125/ids_photos_wl/r1482333804.jpg&e=4&ncid=1756

Or:
http://tinyurl.com/224yf

Annemehr





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 23:47:12 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:47:12 -0000
Subject: Book Recomendations
In-Reply-To: <bv1j4f+3lun@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "a_sheprich_2003" 
<profwildflower at m...> wrote:
> Hi, Hannah.  Here are some other recommendations from kids' 
lliterature:
>Snip<

> 
> The newest adventure I know of is Eregon, written by the 15-year 
old whose 
> last name starts with "P."  I haven't read it, but the reviews are 
good and the 
> map on the end papers is very detailed.
> 
> Enjoy!    Whimsy

*****\(@@)/*****

I have read Eregon and it is extraordinary for a 15 year old writer. 
You can see his youth in some of the way he writes but as he ages 
and gets life experience I am sure he is going to be an author to 
watch out for! I really enjoyed the book and the imagination that 
went into it and I can't wait for the next one to come out! (It 
seems I have started gravitating back to books that are in the teen 
sections and I have found some very good reading there)

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/***** 




From stanleys at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 02:25:47 2004
From: stanleys at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 02:25:47 -0000
Subject: on line chat
In-Reply-To: <130.2a651946.2d45a926@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bv1trb+ije4@eGroups.com>

--- Hello everyone!  I read some where on one of the lists, I have no 
idea which one now, that JKR is doing an online chat.  Does anyone 
have any information?  Did I just read something about a chat 2 years 
ago and halucinate the rest?

Thanks for the info!
Sue





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon Jan 26 03:40:20 2004
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:40:20 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] on line chat
References: <bv1trb+ije4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c3e3be$21e1bf80$609ecdd1@RVotaw>

Sue wrote:

> --- Hello everyone!  I read some where on one of the lists, I have no
> idea which one now, that JKR is doing an online chat.  Does anyone
> have any information?  Did I just read something about a chat 2 years
> ago and halucinate the rest?

Richelle replies:

You're right.  It's for World Book Day in March.  Not that many details yet,
that I know of, but here's where I read about it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_3247000/3247756.stm

Richelle





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jan 26 03:48:24 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:48:24 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
References: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01a301c3e3bf$40893b60$4b311c40@oemcomputer>

Not exactly Harry Type books but my list of
all time favorite series (some listed by
author, some by series, all reviews written
by me)

Goldy Bear Culinary Mysteries, by Diana Mott
Davidson:
   An enjoyable read though some mo re,
"feminist" readers such as myself might get
frustrated   with the lead early on. In these
books, Goldy Bear, a divorced caterer finds
herself the unwilling detective in murder
investigations that keep appearing when she's
not looking. One, very DELICIOUS perk of the
series is the inclusion of recipes featured
in Goldy's catering. Having tried Killer
Pancakes myself, I must say, more authors
should try this technique! :o) (Books, in
order: Catering to Nobody, Dying for
Chocolate, The Cereal Murders, The Last
Suppers, Killer Pancake, The Main Corpse, The
Grilling Season, Prime Cut, Tough Cookie,
Sticks and Scones).

Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter Series, by
Laurell K. Hamilton:
   A vampire hunter with a tie to the dead,
Anita Blake spends her life protecting us
from the things that go bump in the night
(when she's not raising the dead for a nice
pay check of course), but when Jean-Claude, a
French vampire with a talent for seduction
enters the picture, the line between good and
evil suddenly seems a lot less clear.
Featuring vampires, lycanthrops, zombies,
evil bosses and police officers with weird
pajama fetishes, it's an erotic and enjoyable
read. (Books in order: Guilty Pleasures, The
Laughing Corpse, Circus of the Damned, The
Lunatic Cafe, Bloody Bones, The Killing
Dance, Burnt Offerings, Blue Moon, Obsidian
Butterfly, Narcassis in Chains, Cerulean
Sins)

Merry Gentry series by Laurell K. Hamilton
    Meredith is a Sidhe princess who tried to
escape her murderous family, only to be drug
back to the life she fled by her aunt, Queen
Andais. She is offering Merry the one thing
that could save her life. The throne of the
UnSeelie Court. The only catch? She had to
produce an heir before her cousin, the crown
prince Cel. Cel, a psychotic copy of his
mother unfortunately will stop at nothing too
keep Merry and her merry harem from gaining
the throne. Now Merry and her guards must try
to stay ahead of the assignation attempts as
well as the tabloid photographers as they try
to start a family and put Merry on the
throne. (Books, in order: Caress of Twilight,
A Kiss of Shadows, Seduced by Moonlight
*available Feb 3rd, 2004* )

Meg Cabbot (Meggin Cabbot, Patricia Cabbot):
   Author of the successful Princess Diaries
books, the 1-800-Where-R-U series as well as
The Boy Next Door and several romance novels.
A talented writer she can capture both the
agony of being a princess trapped in an
American teen's body and the frustration of
being a 20 something single woman in New York
City. Her books are fun and refreshing, a
break from the formulated books on the market
today. A good read for anyone looking to just
have a bit of fun.

Carolyn Keene:
  Author of the Nancy Drew series, a
collection of books about a young, female
armatures detective. Over 100 books in this
collection and many (though some of the older
ones a bit...conservative) quite
entertaining. She also has penned many Nancy
Drew/Hardy Boys Super Mysteries which are
always a delight. While the original "Carolyn
Keene" Mildred Wirt Benson only penned 23 of
the original series, all follow the same
character flow and writing style (though
there are some differences, as well as
updates due to changes in time).

Hope that helps...if not, ah, fun to share my
interests.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From frellseeker at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 08:07:50 2004
From: frellseeker at yahoo.com (dumbledalf)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:07:50 -0000
Subject: Book Recomendations
In-Reply-To: <01a301c3e3bf$40893b60$4b311c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <bv2hsm+frot@eGroups.com>

For a unusal source, free: Visit project gutenberg, a infinite 
source of a bunch of public-domain novels.

one strange find,  is L. Frank Baum (of 'Wizard of Oz', 
and a series of Oz books, not read them though)

not part of  the Oz series, "The Master Key" is a strange story that
seems like somebody shoulda done a movie on this already..

..Lots of other stuff, though I can't make any reccomendations,
just that there's a bunch of stuff there..
.. well, it's not page-turning, but I guess one could
print them out to read.. ?


http://textual.net/access.gutenberg?author=L.Frank.Baum&site=8



"It hovered above the ground, much in the way that bricks do not."-dna




From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 14:01:15 2004
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:01:15 -0000
Subject: I found out what happened to Baby Norbert
In-Reply-To: <bv1kbs+psho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bv36jb+mq17@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> See Norbert's sad fate at:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story2&u=/040125/ids_photos_wl/r1482333804.jpg&e=4&ncid=1756
> 
> Or:
> http://tinyurl.com/224yf
> 
> Annemehr

What a lovely story.  It was featured in the Daily Telegraph on 
Saturday, bit I didn't have time to track down a link to post, or I 
would have liked to.  The Telegraph made a number of Potter 
references in its line.  

I'd love it to be real!  No offence to Norbert...

June




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 26 15:17:48 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:17:48 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <buv3er+saib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bv3b2s+hoi1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Next question:
> 
> What adverse side effect is caused by using animal hair in 
Polyjuice 
> potion?
> 
> 

Using inappropriate charms on goats.

Next (continuing in the animal vein):

If Petunia is horsy and Dudley is piggy, what is Harry?


Naama




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 26 15:23:06 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:23:06 -0000
Subject: Title Game
Message-ID: <bv3bcq+hm4@eGroups.com>


Wouldn't it be funny if it was "Harry Potter and the Magic 
Dishwasher"?  


Naama




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 26 16:01:57 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:01:57 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bv3b2s+hoi1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3e425$bceac050$18667144@Einstein>

 
> Next (continuing in the animal vein):
> 
> If Petunia is horsy and Dudley is piggy, what is Harry?
> 
> 
> Naama
> 

Iggy here:

Harry is "hairy", of course... (don't you read about all the problems
with his hair?  *grin*)


Ok... new one:

What did the Twins get as a side effect of one of testing one of their
Skiving Snack Boxes chews?


Iggy McSnurd
(Who, yet again, isn't the answer... although he might be a side effect
of something... we're still trying to figure that one out.)







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jan 26 16:03:24 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:03:24 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Title Game
In-Reply-To: <bv3bcq+hm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3e425$f0bf0800$18667144@Einstein>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naamagatus [mailto:naama_gat at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:23 AM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Title Game
> 
> 
> Wouldn't it be funny if it was "Harry Potter and the Magic
> Dishwasher"?
> 
> 
> Naama
> 

Iggy here:

I'd think it would be even funnier if JKR fessed up to one of her
fixations and titled it:

Harry Potter and the Magic Socks.

*grin*

Iggy McSnurd







From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 15:36:22 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:36:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
References: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007401c3e422$27fb56b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>

The shop girl also recommended Eregon to me... I wasn't sure because it looked like all fantasy and I need some modern reality in my fantasy. I just picked up the Anita Blake novels. No where near the skill and whimsy of Harry Potter but what is... they are page turners though. And I am a long time Buffy fan so I am partial to Vampire lore. 

Hannah Pasisz
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.starbrightdesigns.net
http://www.cafepress.com/starbright
My auctions on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2cye3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnderExposed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenArtists/Work
http://group.yahoo.com/LadiesCraftHour
  *****\(@@)/*****

  I have read Eregon and it is extraordinary for a 15 year old writer. 
  You can see his youth in some of the way he writes but as he ages 
  and gets life experience I am sure he is going to be an author to 
  watch out for! I really enjoyed the book and the imagination that 
  went into it and I can't wait for the next one to come out! (It 
  seems I have started gravitating back to books that are in the teen 
  sections and I have found some very good reading there)

  Dudemom_2000

  *****\(@@)/***** 

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From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 16:52:28 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:52:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] on line chat
References: <bv1trb+ije4@eGroups.com> <005c01c3e3be$21e1bf80$609ecdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <01f501c3e42c$c9c71fb0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>

Isn't that Dr. Seuss's birthday too? We do a huge celebration at the school we have a literacy program at. It's national book day and also his birthday was near to that so alot of agencies and programs national wide starting having huge Dr. Suess celebrations. It's great for the kids! They get so into it!

Hannah Pasisz
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.starbrightdesigns.net
Richelle replies:

You're right.  It's for World Book Day in March.  Not that many details yet,
that I know of, but here's where I read about it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_3247000/3247756.stm

Richelle



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From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jan 26 18:03:20 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:03:20 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
References: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com> <007401c3e422$27fb56b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>
Message-ID: <04c601c3e436$af8b1340$4b311c40@oemcomputer>

Hannah wrote:

< No where near the skill and whimsy of Harry
Potter but what is... they are page turners
though>

Definitely no where near HP (hmm, Jean-Claude
in Harry's world....)  but very good books.
I'm partial to sexy vampires myself plus
later on there's a were kitty whom I adore.
:o)  I hope you enjoy the series, they're
favorites of mine that I have re-read so much
Obsidian Butterfly fell apart, literally.
Plus a new book every year which is a plus.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 18:30:41 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:30:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
References: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com> <007401c3e422$27fb56b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2> <04c601c3e436$af8b1340$4b311c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <031101c3e43a$89db42b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>

I had the HC of HP books.. it's weird to switch to small PB books!
Hannah Pasisz
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.starbrightdesigns.net
http://www.cafepress.com/starbright
My auctions on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2cye3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnderExposed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenArtists/Work
http://group.yahoo.com/LadiesCraftHour


  Hannah wrote:

  < No where near the skill and whimsy of Harry
  Potter but what is... they are page turners
  though>

  Definitely no where near HP (hmm, Jean-Claude
  in Harry's world....)  but very good books.
  I'm partial to sexy vampires myself plus
  later on there's a were kitty whom I adore.
  :o)  I hope you enjoy the series, they're
  favorites of mine that I have re-read so much
  Obsidian Butterfly fell apart, literally.
  Plus a new book every year which is a plus.

  Saitaina
  ****


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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 18:41:11 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:41:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
In-Reply-To: <007401c3e422$27fb56b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>
Message-ID: <20040126184111.61153.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com>

Eregon was an ok read...a good story but lacking soul.  Philip Pullman's The Golden Compass is great read along with the rest of the His Dark Materials series; a well blended sci/fi-fantasy in our modern universe and our alternate worlds.  For a strictly modern day fantasy, Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchet's Good Omens has some Brit wit and kicks ass.  For the vampire lover, there is no better storyline out there than that written by Nancy Collins: Midnight Blue has the first three novels in it, the read is about as fast as any Harry Potter book, but is definitely 'R' rated. 

Kemper

Hannah Pasisz <hannah at starbrightdesigns.net> wrote: 
The shop girl also recommended Eregon to me... I wasn't sure because it looked like all fantasy and I need some modern reality in my fantasy. I just picked up the Anita Blake novels. No where near the skill and whimsy of Harry Potter but what is... they are page turners though. And I am a long time Buffy fan so I am partial to Vampire lore. 

Hannah Pasisz
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.starbrightdesigns.net
http://www.cafepress.com/starbright
My auctions on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2cye3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnderExposed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenArtists/Work
http://group.yahoo.com/LadiesCraftHour
  *****\(@@)/*****

  I have read Eregon and it is extraordinary for a 15 year old writer. 
  You can see his youth in some of the way he writes but as he ages 
  and gets life experience I am sure he is going to be an author to 
  watch out for! I really enjoyed the book and the imagination that 
  went into it and I can't wait for the next one to come out! (It 
  seems I have started gravitating back to books that are in the teen 
  sections and I have found some very good reading there)

  Dudemom_2000

  *****\(@@)/***** 





From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 17:09:04 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:09:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
References: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com> <01a301c3e3bf$40893b60$4b311c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <020101c3e42f$1df5cdf0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>

I've started on the Anita Blake series... not exactly a book I want to be carrying around though ;-) some of those covers are quite saucy!

The series is quite long so it should keep me occupied for a bit. Any recommendations after that... I am quite picky about what I read. Till Harry Potter I only liked two authors, Tim Sandlin and Larry Mc Murtry. Lazy southern/western charm or fantasy with a touch of reality seems to be what I love.

Hannah Pasisz
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.starbrightdesigns.net
http://www.cafepress.com/starbright
My auctions on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2cye3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnderExposed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenArtists/Work
http://group.yahoo.com/LadiesCraftHour


  Not exactly Harry Type books but my list of
  all time favorite series (some listed by
  author, some by series, all reviews written
  by me)


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From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jan 26 19:13:56 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13:56 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
References: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com> <007401c3e422$27fb56b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2> <04c601c3e436$af8b1340$4b311c40@oemcomputer> <031101c3e43a$89db42b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>
Message-ID: <001701c3e440$8c719640$e33d1c40@oemcomputer>

I usually buy HC's of most books because my
PB's get torn up (I'm hard on books) but I
like PB's to carry around...have you tried
lugging around an entire series in HC?

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 19:19:41 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:19:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
References: <bv1ki0+htqt@eGroups.com> <007401c3e422$27fb56b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2> <04c601c3e436$af8b1340$4b311c40@oemcomputer> <031101c3e43a$89db42b0$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2> <001701c3e440$8c719640$e33d1c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <036d01c3e441$6bdf2860$1100000a@jewish5yr63qq2>

See.. it was hard for me to even lug one of the HP books! But books are works of art to me... and the HB does it justice. PB.. they seem so disposable..

Hannah Pasisz
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.starbrightdesigns.net
http://www.cafepress.com/starbright
My auctions on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2cye3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnderExposed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenArtists/Work
http://group.yahoo.com/LadiesCraftHour
  I usually buy HC's of most books because my
  PB's get torn up (I'm hard on books) but I
  like PB's to carry around...have you tried
  lugging around an entire series in HC?

  Saitaina


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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 20:11:56 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:11:56 -0000
Subject: I found out what happened to Baby Norbert
In-Reply-To: <bv1kbs+psho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bv3sac+ovtj@eGroups.com>

Annemehr wrote:

> See Norbert's sad fate at:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story2&u=/040125/ids_photos_wl/r1482333804.jpg&e=4&ncid=1756
> 
> Or:
> http://tinyurl.com/224yf

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Amy Z




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 27 04:34:46 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:34:46 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
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> I've started on the Anita Blake series... not exactly a book I want to be
carrying around though ;-) some of those covers are quite saucy!
>
> The series is quite long so it should keep me occupied for a bit. Any
recommendations after that... I am quite picky about what I read. Till Harry
Potter I only liked two authors, Tim Sandlin and Larry Mc Murtry. Lazy
southern/western charm or fantasy with a touch of reality seems to be what I
love.
>
> Hannah Pasisz


Took me about a week to read them all, with the exception of the last one
which wasn't out when I discovered them. Read her other fic too. Kiss of
Shadows and then Caress of Twilight are better than Anita Blake I think, and
the third one comes out in February some time.

And I'll reiterate my recommendation for Bitten and Stolen.

K





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jan 26 20:36:36 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:36:36 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
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K wrote:

<Took me about a week to read them all, with
the exception of the last one
which wasn't out when I discovered them. Read
her other fic too. Kiss of
Shadows and then Caress of Twilight are
better than Anita Blake I think, and
the third one comes out in February some
time.>

I rather like the Anita Blake series then the
Merry Gentry, while I like erotic stories
there's just too much in MG and I end up
skipping most of it.  Plus Anita has cuter
men to play with. :o)

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From stanleys at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 20:18:41 2004
From: stanleys at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:18:41 -0000
Subject: on line chat
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3e3be$21e1bf80$609ecdd1@RVotaw>
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---> Richelle replies:
> 
> You're right.  It's for World Book Day in March.  Not that many 
details yet,
> that I know of, but here's where I read about it:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_3247000/3247756.stm
> 
> Richelle

Thank you Richelle!  Nice to know I'm not completely out to lunch!
Sue





From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 19:43:42 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:43:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
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I'll have to check out Good Omens - sounds perfect!

Hannah Pasisz
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.starbrightdesigns.net

  Eregon was an ok read...a good story but lacking soul.  Philip Pullman's The Golden Compass is great read along with the rest of the His Dark Materials series; a well blended sci/fi-fantasy in our modern universe and our alternate worlds.  For a strictly modern day fantasy, Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchet's Good Omens has some Brit wit and kicks ass.  For the vampire lover, there is no better storyline out there than that written by Nancy Collins: Midnight Blue has the first three novels in it, the read is about as fast as any Harry Potter book, but is definitely 'R' rated. 

  Kemper


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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 27 04:50:48 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:50:48 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anita Blake, spoilers
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> I rather like the Anita Blake series then the
> Merry Gentry, while I like erotic stories
> there's just too much in MG and I end up
> skipping most of it.  Plus Anita has cuter
> men to play with. :o)
>
> Saitaina
> ****
>
I find the later Blake books tend to be annoying. Frankly I'm getting the
urge to lock a large number of the main characters in a room together and
slap them till they start acting sensibly :) Plus Anita's harem is growing
by the book - she's very Mary-Sueish. I still find them unputdownable but
now they tend to leave a feeling of irritation when I finish them.

K






From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jan 26 20:53:34 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:53:34 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anita Blake, spoilers
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K wrote:

<I find the later Blake books tend to be
annoying. Frankly I'm getting the
urge to lock a large number of the main
characters in a room together and
slap them till they start acting sensibly :)
Plus Anita's harem is growing
by the book - she's very Mary-Sueish. I still
find them unputdownable but
now they tend to leave a feeling of
irritation when I finish them.>

Oh she's a complete Mary-Sue.  And yes her
harem's grown (I'd be happy with just JC,
Micah and Jason) but they're fun for a bit.

As for the interpersonal relationships...more
hell is coming.  I've been reading LKH's
writing log....more Richard drama on it's way
in the next one.  Yay! *note sarcasm*.  But I
think it's fun to read about someone with a
more screwed up life then my own.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 26 21:09:59 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:09:59 -0000
Subject: Transitting Admiration and Affection to all Listies
In-Reply-To: <buulf7+bk1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bv3vn7+r1j3@eGroups.com>

Rita wrote:
> 
> While I do *adore* receiving admiration and affection, I only *seek*
> it in RL. I go to these lists in hope of *transmitting* it -- I hope
> to find the great posts of wit, insight, style, knowledge, etc, that
> inspired feelings admiration and affection in me.

What the Catlady said, squared. 

 
And, replying to me: 
>
> << Hmm, the reference 
> isn't as strong as I'd be comfortable using...well, maybe I
> can hunt up the author's original interview. I will cope. >>
> 
> If you can find the original interview, please post it somewhere
> (Leaky cauldron?). 

I certainly will.


> JKR was on Desert Island Disks, but I can't
> remember even one of the ten records she chose.

Another angle to pursue! I hadn't thought of that. Thanks.

Grannybat





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 27 05:36:08 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:36:08 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
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> I'll have to check out Good Omens - sounds perfect!
>
> Hannah Pasisz


If you like Good Omens try Neverwhere by Neil Gaimen. I haven't read any of
his other works but Neverwhere is fantastic. I would especially recommend it
to the other Brits on list or anyone who has regularly used the Tube in
London.

K





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 27 05:38:42 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:38:42 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anita Blake, spoilers
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Saitaina
> ****
> As for the interpersonal relationships...more
> hell is coming.  I've been reading LKH's
> writing log....more Richard drama on it's way
> in the next one.  Yay! *note sarcasm*.  But I
> think it's fun to read about someone with a
> more screwed up life then my own.
>
>
Oh Lord. I wanted to slap him in the latest one so much! Personally I would
very much like her to stabilize the relationships and stop making the books
quite so much soap opera. I'd rather have more about the supernatural drama
and less who is sleeping with who, especially when in Anita's case it's
easier to ask who she isn't sleeping with. Either that or I'd like Anita to
stop angsting about it quite so much.

K





From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 21:45:20 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:45:20 -0500
Subject: Recommended reading
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K:
>>If you like Good Omens try Neverwhere by Neil Gaimen. I haven't read any of
  his other works but Neverwhere is fantastic. I would especially recommend it
  to the other Brits on list or anyone who has regularly used the Tube in
  London. <<


I'll add that to my book list too. I'm not British but I find British authors and movies are among my favorites time and time again.

Hannah Pasisz
www.starbrightdesigns.net
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From hannah at starbrightdesigns.net  Mon Jan 26 21:43:10 2004
From: hannah at starbrightdesigns.net (Hannah Pasisz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:43:10 -0500
Subject: Book Recomendations
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K:
>>Took me about a week to read them all, with the exception of the last one
  which wasn't out when I discovered them. Read her other fic too. Kiss of
  Shadows and then Caress of Twilight are better than Anita Blake I think, and
  the third one comes out in February some time.

  And I'll reiterate my recommendation for Bitten and Stolen. >>


What are bitten and stolen again? And the discount book store here has all her other books, I may go back this week. 

Hannah Pasisz
www.starbrightdesigns.net
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LadiesCraftHour/





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 22:38:11 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:38:11 -0000
Subject: Recommended reading
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Hannah Pasisz" 
<hannah at s...> wrote:
> K:
> >>If you like Good Omens try Neverwhere by Neil Gaimen. I haven't 
read any of his other works but Neverwhere is fantastic. I would 
especially recommend it to the other Brits on list or anyone who has 
regularly used the Tube in London. <<
> 
> 
> I'll add that to my book list too. I'm not British but I find 
British authors and movies are among my favorites time and time 
again.
> 
> Hannah Pasisz

*****\(@@)/*****

I reallly like the British authors also. Try Jasper Fforde's 
Thursday Next series: The Eyre Affair or Lost in a Good Book. The 
Well of Lost Plots is due to be published in the US this or next 
month and I am looking forward to reading it. 

I plan to try Good Omens and Neverwhere - they sound really good.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 27 07:10:13 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:10:13 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Book Recomendations
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>
> What are bitten and stolen again? And the discount book store here has all
her other books, I may go back this week.


They're modern fantasy (set, like Anita Blake, in 20th century America) and
they follow the world's first female werewolf. Bitten is all about her, with
a murder mystery type plot thrown in. Stolen is about her and some other
supernatural types. She's a fairly kick-ass type of heroine but not as
superpowered as any of Hamilton's heroes. I find her more realistic and she
is in general more likeable I think. Third one is due out next month and
seems to focus a bit more on the witches we encounter in Stolen than the
werewolves per se, although I imagine Elena (the heroine) will still play a
big part since the other two have been written entirely from her
perspective. The author is Armstrong, I think her christian name is Kelley,
it begins with a K at any rate.

I read *fast* as you may have gathered and they only took me a couple of
days to get through. I found them as unputdownable as the Blake novels but
over all better written. I love the Anita Blake books but they're not the
best written books I've ever read. Hamilton can be a little repetitive for
me. However, whether or not you agree on that point I would recommend them
to any LHL fans because of the similar settings and the similar level of
action. They're fast paced too, never boring.

They were recommended to me by the book store clerk ... which may just be my
dream job (if I thought that I wouldn't end up owing them at the end of each
month rather than the other way around<g>)

K





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 27 07:13:05 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:13:05 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Recommended reading
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> K:
> >>If you like Good Omens try Neverwhere by Neil Gaimen. I haven't read any
of
>   his other works but Neverwhere is fantastic. I would especially
recommend it
>   to the other Brits on list or anyone who has regularly used the Tube in
>   London. <<
>
>
> I'll add that to my book list too. I'm not British but I find British
authors and movies are among my favorites time and time again.


You don't have to be British to enjoy it' but since London Below (the
otherworld that we get to explore) is accessed from the Tube and so many of
the locations are based on Tube stations I always recommend it to
Londoners - it gives you a whole new perspective. Besides you can really
enlighten a boring commute by trying to spot people from London Below :)
Gaimen specialises in a quite dark and sometimes cynical humour. There's one
by him set in a trip across America which might appeal to you even more but
I haven't read it yet, it's on my list next time I'm not broke :)

K





From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 01:14:25 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (erinellii)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:14:25 -0000
Subject: Book Recomendations
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Hannah Pasisz" <hannah at s...> 
wrote:
> I've started on the Anita Blake series... not exactly a book I want 
to be carrying around though ;-) some of those covers are quite saucy!


Erin:
Don't you hate when they do that to a book?  Make the cover into 
something you're embarrassed to take places with you?  I don't think 
the anita blake ones are that bad though.  Well, ok, they kind of 
are, but at least they look adult and don't have some corny drawing 
of her raising a zombie or a vampire with fangs dripping blood. 

Erin




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 01:25:24 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (erinellii)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:25:24 -0000
Subject: Anita Blake, spoilers
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3e497$d36b11f0$a6706751@kathryn>
Message-ID: <bv4em4+gsnr@eGroups.com>

 "Kathryn Cawte"  wrote:
> 
 Oh Lord. I wanted to slap him in the latest one so much! Personally 
I would very much like her to stabilize the relationships and stop 
making the books quite so much soap opera. I'd rather have more about 
the supernatural drama and less who is sleeping with who, especially 
when in Anita's case it's easier to ask who she isn't sleeping with. 
Either that or I'd like Anita to stop angsting about it quite so much.
> 
> K

Erin:
I'm so there with you!  I don't mind all the different pairings in 
the Merry Gentry series, she's playing by a different set of rules, 
and it's fun.  But for Anita it's like a downward slide or 
something.  And in Cereulean Sins, the plot definitely suffered.  
What I thought of while reading it was internet slashfiction, 
actually.  Only you don't have to write it yourself, the author will 
do it for you!  

Erin






From elrond at paradise.net.nz  Tue Jan 27 02:25:24 2004
From: elrond at paradise.net.nz (Michael Chance)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:25:24 +1300
Subject: "Master and the Wolf" update
Message-ID: <005601c3e47c$da690860$06444fcb@locxvcym>

A number of stories have been added to -
http://chance.slashcity.net/masterandthewolf/ - since my last email update.
The most notable ones for most people would be "Sweet dreams" by Dracinn
Malfory, "Lord Remus and the Potions Master" by Ligeia, "Who Shall Gnaw
First" by Maxine and "Truth" by Scribe. Plus I have turned "Adjustments" by
Nikita into an HTML file, instead of a text file, so it's perfectly readable
now, (sorry about that).

Michael
--
"The Dancing Skeleton" - http://chance.slashcity.net/hope/
- my personal page based on the quote "If you can't get rid of the skeleton
in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." - George Bernard Shaw




From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 03:51:21 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:51:21 -0000
Subject: Title Game (was Book Recomendations)
In-Reply-To: <001701c3e440$8c719640$e33d1c40@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <bv4n7p+bbio@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> 
wrote:
> I usually buy HC's of most books because my
> PB's get torn up (I'm hard on books) but I
> like PB's to carry around...have you tried
> lugging around an entire series in HC?

Leading to my HP title: Harry Potter and the Chiropractor's New 
Mercedes.

Donna





From punkieshazam at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 06:38:20 2004
From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:38:20 -0000
Subject: Book Recomendations
In-Reply-To: <001501c3e497$78348b90$a6706751@kathryn>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:
> If you like Good Omens try Neverwhere by Neil Gaimen. I haven't 
read any of
> his other works but Neverwhere is fantastic. I would especially 
recommend it
> to the other Brits on list or anyone who has regularly used the 
Tube in
> London.
> 
> K

Anything by Neil Gaiman, with or without Terry Pratchett is great. 
Smoke and Mirrors, Neverwhere and American Gods are my favorites. 
American Gods captures the American Midwest as few American authors 
have. (Gaiman lives in Minneapolis now.) Good Omens and Stardust are 
good, but not my favorites.

Enjoy

Punkie




From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 02:06:35 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (Kerry Wolber)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:06:35 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3e425$bceac050$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bv75fb+nftj@eGroups.com>

 Iggy here:
<snip>
What did the Twins get as a side effect of one of testing one of their
Skiving Snack Boxes chews?

After an unexpected faint from a fainting fancy, Fred got mouth-to-
mouth from Angelina.

Next question:
Who will be the next Defense Against the Dark Arts Teacher?




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 02:28:17 2004
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:28:17 EST
Subject: Carrying the HP books (was Title Game)
Message-ID: <12c.3a765e03.2d487841@aol.com>

 "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> wrote:

>>I usually buy HC's of most books because my PB's get torn up (I'm hard on 
books) but I like PB's to carry around...have you tried lugging around an 
entire series in HC? <<

With 4 fans in the family, even our hard copies get beat up after a while. We 
have both HC and PB and even a few audiobooks. <g> 

We added library covers to our hard covers and that helps. A friend is having 
a small wood case built for her HP books. Actually, it is two cases, one for 
the first 4 books, another for the second four. The case design is based on 
the second movie---a box with feet plus a carry handle. 

I figure two cases is a good idea. With carry handles and carrying one in 
each hand, I should be pretty well balanced. <g>

---Mary


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From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Wed Jan 28 01:14:54 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vinnia?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:14:54 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000001c3e425$bceac050$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <20040128011454.31023.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com>

Iggy here:

Harry is "hairy", of course... (don't you read about
all the problems
with his hair?  *grin*)


Ok... new one:

What did the Twins get as a side effect of one of
testing one of their
Skiving Snack Boxes chews?


Vinnia:
Niffler sprouting out of their head. Then they left
the nifflers with Lee Jordan.

What is the most ideal gift to give to Lockhart?

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 02:57:06 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:57:06 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bv75fb+nftj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c3e54a$71657140$18667144@Einstein>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kerry Wolber [mailto:wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:07 PM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
> 
>  Iggy here:
> <snip>
> What did the Twins get as a side effect of one of testing one of their
> Skiving Snack Boxes chews?
> 
> After an unexpected faint from a fainting fancy, Fred got mouth-to-
> mouth from Angelina.
> 
> Next question:
> Who will be the next Defense Against the Dark Arts Teacher?

Iggy here:

Already been answered... by me in fact.  My answer was - Dobby!!!

Care to come up with another question?


(Good answer on yours, BTW... caught me off guard, which isn't easy in a
game like this...  *grin*)


Iggy McSnurd







From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 13:37:10 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (Kerry Wolber)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:37:10 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <20040128011454.31023.qmail@web41215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bv8du6+qdh@eGroups.com>

Iggy, thanks for the reminder, glad you enjoyed my answer <grin>. 

> Vinnia:
> What is the most ideal gift to give to Lockhart?

Why, a mirror, of course.


Next question:

What will be Hagrid's next project (since he's already had Norbert, 
Fluffy, Thestrils, Blast-Ended Skrewts, etc.)?






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 18:18:08 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:18:08 -0600
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
Message-ID: <001a01c3e5cb$17e7e0e0$18667144@Einstein>

Iggy here:

This was one that seemed rather obvious to do, when you get down to it.
It's more of a sequence of events, rather than a specific scene.  Again,
the exact setting itself is less important.  (Also because, let's face
it, Neville and Ron are droids in this one. *grin*)

I threw in a little something for you Lupin the Betrayer theorists, with
a twist.  (Partly because I don't believe Lupin has, or will, betray
anyone.  For one thing, Remus was betrayed by Romulus, not the other way
around.)

One interesting note:  While Vader became Voldemort, the funny thing is
that there's a reference to the Dark Lord that was actually in the
script already.  (Apparently Vader and Voldemort are both Dark Lords.)

As always, enjoy!

Iggy McSnurd
	


THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

Written by Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett
	From a story by George Lucas

(WARPed by Iggy McSnurd)


INT. CLOUD CITY - CORRIDOR - DAY

As Harry and Ron move carefully down a deserted corridor, they hear a
group of people coming down a side hallway.  Ron lets out an excited
series of beeps and whistles.  Harry glares at the tiny droid, who stops
in his tracks with a feeble squeak.

Lucius Malfoy enters from a side hallway followed by two guards pushing
the floating, encased body of Sirius Black.  Two Death Eaters, who
follow, immediately spot Harry and open fire on him.  The youth draws
his wand and blasts the two troopers before they can get off a second
shot.  The two guards whisk Sirius into another hallway as Malfoy lowers
his arm and fires a deadly spell at Harry, which explodes to one side
and tears up a huge chunk of wall.

Harry rushes to a side hallway, but by the time he reaches it, Malfoy,
Sirius, and the guards are gone.  A think metal door blocks the passage.

Harry turns to see Hermione, Hagrid, Neville, and Remus being herded
down a second hallway by several other Death Eaters.  Hermione turns
just in time to see Harry.

				HERMIONE
		Harry!  Harry, don't - it's a 
		trap!  It's a trap!

Before she can finish, she is pulled through a doorway and disappears
from sight.  Harry races after the group, leaving little Ron trailing
behind.

INT. CLOUD CITY - ANTEROOM


Harry runs into an anteroom and stops to get his bearings.  Hermione and
the others are nowhere to be seen.  Behind Harry, Ron scoots down the
corridor toward the anteroom when suddenly a giant metal door comes
slamming down, cutting off Harry's exit.  Several more doors clang shut,
echoing through the chamber.

INT. CLOUD CITY - HALLWAY LEADING TO ANTEROOM

Ron stands with his nose pressed against the giant metal door.  He
whistles a long sigh of relief and, a little dazed, wanders off in the
other direction.

INT. CLOUD CITY - CARBON-FREEZING CHAMBER - ANTEROOM

Harry cautiously walks forward among hissing pipes and steam.  Seeing an
opening above him, he stops to look up.  As he does, the platform he
stands on begins to move.

INT. CLOUD CITY - CARBON-FREEZING CHAMBER

Harry rises into the chamber, borne by the platform.  The room is
deathly quiet.  Very little steam escapes the pipes and no one else
seems to be in the large room.  Warily, Harry walks toward the stairway.

Steam begins to build up in the chamber.  Looking up through the steam, 
Harry sees a dark figure standing on a walkway above him.  Harry
holsters his wand and moves up the stairs to face Voldemort.  He feels
confident, eager to engage his enemy.

				VOLDEMORT
		The Power is with you, young 
		Potter.  But you are not an 
		Auror yet.

Harry draws his wand in answer.  In an instant, Voldemort's own wand is
lit.  Harry lunges, but Voldemort repels the blow.  Again Harry attacks,
and the spells of the two combatants clash in battle.

INT. CLOUD CITY - CORRIDOR

Hermione, Remus, and Hagrid, with Neville on his back, march along,
guarded by six Death Eaters.  The group reaches an intersection where 
Mundungus and a dozen of Remus's guards stand at attention.

The guards immediately aim their wands at the startled Death Eaters.
Taking the Death Eaters' wands from them, Mundungus hands one to
Hermione and one to Remus.

				REMUS
		Well done.  Hold them in the 
		security tower - and keep it 
		quiet.  Move.

As Remus's guards quickly march the Death Eaters away, Remus begins to
undo Hagrid's binding.

				HERMIONE
		What do you think you're doing?

				REMUS
		We're getting out of here.

				NEVILLE
		I knew all along it had to be a 
		mistake.

Hagrid turns on Remus and starts to choke him.

				HERMIONE
		Do you think that after what you 
		did to Sirius we're going to trust 
		you?

Remus tries to free himself from Hagrid.

				REMUS
			(choking)
		I had no choice...

Hagrid barks ferociously.

				NEVILLE
			(to Hagrid)
		What are you doing?  Trust him, 
		trust him!

				HERMIONE
		Oh, so we understand, don't we, 
		Hagrid?  He had no choice.

				REMUS
		I'm just trying to help...

				HERMIONE
		We don't need any of your help.

				REMUS
			(choking)
		S-i-i-i...

				HERMIONE
		What?

				NEVILLE
		It sounds like Sirius.

				REMUS
		There's still a chance to save 
		Sirius... I mean, at the East 
		Platform...

				HERMIONE
		Hagrid.

Hagrid finally releases Remus, who fights to get his breath back.

				NEVILLE
			(to Remus)
		I'm terribly sorry about all this. 
		After all, he's only a Half-Giant.

EXT. CLOUD CITY - EAST LANDING PLATFORM - LUCIUS MALFOY'S SHIP

The two guards slide Sirius's encased body into an opening in the side
of the bounty hunter's ship.  Lucius Malfoy climbs aboard on a ladder
next to the cargo hold.

				LUCIUS MALFOY
		Put Mister Black in the cargo 
		hold.

And with that, the door slams shut.

INT. CLOUD CITY - CORRIDOR

Remus, Hermione, and Hagrid run down a Cloud City corridor when suddenly
they spot Ron who rushes toward them, beeping wildly.

				NEVILLE
		Ron!  Ron!  Where have you 
		been?

Hagrid turns around to see the stubby droid, causing Neville to be spun
out of sight of his friend.

				NEVILLE
		Turn around, you wooly...! 
			(to Ron)
		Hurry, hurry!  We're trying to 
		save Sirius from the bounty hunter!

Whistling frantically to Neville, Ron scoots along with the racing
group.

				NEVILLE
		Well, at least your still in 
		one piece!  Look what happened to 
		me!

EXT. EAST LANDING PLATFORM - SIDE BAY

An elevator door slides open and Remus, Hermione, and Hagrid race for a
large bay overlooking the East Landing Platform.

Just as they arrive, Lucius Malfoy's ship takes off against a cloudy
sunset sky.  

In wild anguish, Hagrid howls and starts a wand at the ship.

				NEVILLE
		Oh, no!  Hagrid, they're behind 
		you!

A spell explodes near the princess.  Everyone turns to see what 
Neville has already spotted coming from the other direction; a squad of
Death Eaters running toward them.  Ron peeks out from the elevator.

Hermione and Hagrid start firing at the troopers as Remus makes a break
for the elevator.  Spells continue to explode around the girl and the
Half-Giant, but they refuse to budge.  Remus sticks his head out of the
elevator and motions for the pair to run, but they barely notice.  They
seem possessed, transported, as all the frustration of captivity and
anger of loss pour through their death-dealing wands.

But after a few moments, they begin to move through the rain of spell
fire toward the elevator.  Once they are inside, the door slams shut and
the Death Eaters race forward.

INT. CLOUD CITY - CARBON-FREEZING CHAMBER

Harry and Voldemort are locked in combat on the platform overlooking the
chamber.  Their spells clash, the platform sways.  Harry aggressively
drives Voldemort back, forcing Voldemort to use defensive tactics.

				VOLDEMORT
		You have learned much, young one.

				HARRY
		You'll find I'm full of surprises.

Voldemort makes two quick moves, hooking Harry's wand out of his hand
and sending it flying.  A quick lightning spell at Harry's feet forces
the youth to jump back to protect himself.  Losing his balance, Harry
rolls down the stairs to the circular carbon-freezing platform.  There
he sprawls on the floor, surprised and shaken.  Just in time he looks up
to see Voldemort, like a giant black bird, flying right at him.  Harry
rolls away as Voldemort lands.  Crouching, Harry keeps his gaze steadily
on his enemy.

				VOLDEMORT
		Your destiny lies with me, 
		Potter.  Dumbledore knew this to 
		be true.

				HARRY
		No!

Behind Harry the hydraulic elevator cover has opened noiselessly.  All
the while, Harry slowly, cautiously moves back, away from the Dark Lord.

Suddenly, Voldemort attacks so forcefully that Harry loses his balance
and falls back into the opening.  There is a rumble, and in an instant
freezing steam rises to obscure Voldemort's vision.   Voldemort turns
aside and puts away his wand.

				VOLDEMORT
		All to easy.  Perhaps you are not 
		as strong as the Emperor thought.

Through the steam behind Voldemort something blurs upward.  Liquid metal
begins to pour into the pit.

Voldemort turns around - and then looks up.  He sees Harry, who has
leaped fifteen feet straight up and who now hangs from some hoses on the
carbonite outlet.

				VOLDEMORT
		Impressive... most impressive.

Harry jumps down to the platform where he is separated from Voldemort by
the steaming carbonite pit.  He raises his hand.  His wand, which had
fallen on another part of the platform, swiftly jumps into his
outstretched hand and is instantly ignited.  Voldemort immediately
lights his wand as well.

				VOLDEMORT
		Dumbledore has taught you well.  You 
		have controlled your fear... now 
		release your anger.

Harry is more cautious, controlling his anger.  He begins to retreat as 
Voldemort goads him on.  As Harry takes a defensive position, he
realizes he has been foolhardy.  A quick spell exchange and Harry forces
Voldemort back.  Another exchange and Voldemort retreats.  Harry presses
forward.

				VOLDEMORT
		Only your hatred can destroy me.

Breathing hard, Harry jumps in the air, turning a somersault over
Voldemort.  He lands on the floor and slashes a spell at Voldemort as
the room continues to fill up with steam.

Voldemort retreats before Harry's skillful magic.  Voldemort blocks the
spell, but looses his balance and falls into the outer rim of pipes.
The energy Harry has used to stop Voldemort has brought him to the point
of collapse.  Harry moves to the edge and looks down, but sees no sign
of Voldemort.  He then extinguishes his wand, tucks it into his belt,
and lowers himself into the pit.

INT. CLOUD CITY - TUNNEL AND REACTOR CONTROL ROOM

Moving through a tunnel-like entrance, Harry cautiously approaches the
reactor room.  He ignites his wand and moves into the room and toward a
large window as Voldemort enters.

Harry raises his wand and moves forward to attack.

Behind Harry a large piece of machinery detaches itself from the wall
and comes smashing forward toward his back.  Harry turns and cuts it in
half just as another machine comes hurtling at him.  Using the Power,
Harry manages to deflect it and send it flying as if it had hit an
invisible shield.

A large pipe detaches and comes flying at Harry.  He deflects it.  
Sparking wires pull out of the wall and begin to whip at the youth.  
Small tools and equipment come flying at him.  Bombardment from all
sides, Harry does his best to deflect everything, but soon he is
bloodied and bruised.  Finally, one machine glances off his and goes
flying out the large window.  A fierce wind blows into the room,
unmoving, stands the dark, rocklike figure of Voldemort.

A piece of machinery hits Harry and he is knocked out of the window.

INT. GANTRY - OUTSIDE CONTROL ROOM - REACTOR SHAFT

Harry falls onto the gantry, rolls, and hangs over the edge, holding his
deactivated wand in hand.  He tucks the wand into his belt and begins to
scramble up.

INT. CLOUD CITY - CORRIDOR LEADING TO LANDING PLATFORM

Hermione, Remus, Hagrid and the boys come round a corner and head for
the door to the landing platform.  They glimpse the Millennium Falcon
for a moment before the door slams shut.  The group ducks into an alcove
as Death Eaters arrive at the end of the corridor.  The troopers send a
rain of spells at the group.  Hagrid returns their fire as Remus punches
desperately at the door's control panel.

				REMUS
		The security codes has been changed!

				NEVILLE
		Ron, you can tell the computer 
		to override the security system.

Neville points to a computer socket on the control panel.  Ron beeps and
scoots toward it.  Remus meanwhile has connected up to the panel's
intercom.

				REMUS
		Attention!  This is Remus
		Lupin.  The Dark Wizards have taken 
		control of the city.  I advise 
		everyone to leave before more 
		Death Eaters arrive.

Ron takes off a computer cover and sticks his computer arm into the
socket.  Suddenly, a short beep turns into a wild scream.  Ron's
circuits light up, his head spins wildly, and smoke begins to seep out
underneath him.  Quickly, Hagrid pulls him away.

				REMUS
		This way.

Remus, Hermione, Ron, and Hagrid flee down the corridor.  As he scoots
along with them, Ron sends some angry beeps Neville's way.

				NEVILLE
		Don't blame me.  I'm an interpreter. 
		I'm not supposed to know a power 
		socket from a computer terminal.

INT. CLOUD CITY - CORRIDOR

In a panic, Cloud City residents are trying to get out of the city.  
Some carry boxes, others packages.  They run, then change direction.  
Some are shooting at Death Eaters, others simply try to hide.

Other Death Eaters pursue Remus, Hermione, and Hagrid who are firing
back at them.  Ron works on another door to the landing platform while 
Neville berates him for his seeming ineptitude.

				NEVILLE
		What are you talking about?  We're 
		not interested in the hyperdrive 
		on the Millennium Falcon.  It's 
		fixed!  Just open the door, you 
		stupid lump.

Hagrid, Hermione, and Remus retreat along the corridor.  A triumphant
beep from Ron - and the door snaps open.

				NEVILLE
			(to Ron)
		I never doubted you for a second.
		Wonderful!

Ron lays a cloud fog, obscuring everything, as the group dashes outside.

EXT. LANDING PLATFORM - CLOUD CITY - DUSK

They race for the Millennium Falcon as a battalion of Death Eaters
reaches the main door.  Remus and Hermione hold off the troops as the
droids get on board with Hagrid.  As Hagrid bounds to the ship the 
Neville on his back, Neville hits his head on the top of the ramp.

				NEVILLE
		Ouch!  Oh!  Ah!  That hurt.  Bend 
		down, you thoughtless... Ow!

Hagrid starts up the ship.  The giant engines begin to whine as Remus
and Hermione race up the ramp under a hail of laser fire.

				REMUS
		Hermione!  Go!

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - CORRIDOR

Ron drags the partially assembled Neville down the corridor of the
Falcon.

				NEVILLE
		I thought that hairy beast would 
		be the end of me.  Of course, I've 
		looked better.

Ron beeps understandingly.

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - COCKPIT

Hagrid works the controls as Hermione sits in Sirius's seat and Remus
watches over their shoulders.  As Hagrid pulls back on the throttle, the
ship begins to move.

EXT. CLOUD CITY - LANDING PLATFORM - DUSK

The Millennium Falcon lifts gracefully into the twilight sky and roars
away from the city.  Troops fire after it and TIE fighters take off in
pursuit.

INT. GANTRY - OUTSIDE CONTROL ROOM - REACTOR SHAFT

Harry moves along the railing and up to the control room.

Voldemort lunges at him and Harry immediately raises his lit wand to
meet Voldemort's.  Sparks fly as they duel, Voldemort gradually forcing
Harry backward toward the gantry.

				VOLDEMORT
		You are beaten.  It is useless 
		to resist.  Don't let yourself 
		be destroyed as Dumbledore did.

Harry answers by rolling sideways and growling a curse at Voldemort so
viciously that he nicks Voldemort on the shoulder.  The black robes
spark and smoke and Voldemort seems to be hurt, but immediately
recovers.

Harry backs off along the narrow end of the gantry as Voldemort comes at
him, slashing at the young Auror with his wand.  Harry makes a quick
move around the instrument complex attached to the end of the gantry.  
Voldemort's wand comes slashing down, a spell cutting the complex loose;
it begins to fall, then is caught by the rising wind and blown upward.

Harry glances at the instrument complex floating away.  At that instant,
Voldemort's next spell comes down across Harry's right forearm, cutting
off his hand and sending his wand flying.  In great pain, Harry squeezes
his forearm under his left armpit and moves back along the gantry to its
extreme end.  Voldemort follows.  The wind subsides.  Harry holds on.
There is nowhere else to go.  

				VOLDEMORT
		There is no escape.  Don't make 
		me destroy you.  You do not yet 
		realize your importance.  You 
		have only begun to discover your 
		power.  Join me and I will complete 
		your training.  With our combined 
		strength, we can end this destructive 
		conflict and bring order to the 
		galaxy.

				HARRY
		I'll never join you!

				VOLDEMORT
		If you only knew the power of the 
		dark side.  Dumbledore never told 
		you what happened to your father.

				HARRY
		He told me enough!  It was you 
		who killed him.

				VOLDEMORT
		No.  I am your father.

Shocked, Harry looks at Voldemort in utter disbelief.

				HARRY
		No.  No.  That's not true!  
		That's impossible!

				VOLDEMORT
		Search your feelings.  You know 
		it to be true.

				HARRY
		No!  No!  No!

				VOLDEMORT
		Harry.  You can destroy the Minister.
		He has foreseen this.  It is your 
		destiny.  Join me, and together 
		we can rule the galaxy as father 
		and son.  Come with me.  It is the 
		only way.

Voldemort puts away his wand and holds his hand out to Harry.

A calm comes over Harry, and he makes a decision.  In the next instant
he steps off the gantry platform into space.  The Dark Lord looks over
the platform and sees Harry falling far below.  The wind begins to blow
at Voldemort's cape and the torrent finally forces him back, away from
the edge.  The wind soon fades and the wounded Auror begins to drop
fast, unable to grab onto anything to break his fall.

INT. REACTOR SHAFT

Suddenly Harry is sucked into an exhaust pipe in the side of the shaft.

When Voldemort sees this, he turns and hurries off the platform.

INT. EXHAUST PIPE

Harry tumbles through the exhaust pipe.

He slides to the end of the slickly polished pipe and stops as his feet
hit a circular grill and knock it open.  Harry claws at the surface of
the pipe, trying to keep from sliding out into space.

EXT. BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY - WEATHER VANE - DUSK

Unable to hang onto the pipe, Harry tumbles out, emerging at the
undermost part of Cloud City.  Reaching out desperately, he manages to
grab onto on electronic weather vane.

				HARRY
		Albu... Albus, please!

Harry tries to pull himself up on the weather vane but slips back down.

He hooks one of his legs around the fragile instruments.  All the while,
a powerful current of air rushes out at him from the exhaust pipe.

				HARRY
		Albus.  Hermione!

There is an ominous cracking sound from the base of the weather vane and
a piece breaks off, falling into the clouds far below.

				HARRY
		Hear me!  Hermione!

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - COCKPIT

Hermione seems to be lost in a fog, her expression troubled.  Hagrid is
busy operating the ship.  Remus stands next to the Half-Giant, watching
a readout on the control panel.

				HERMIONE
		Harry... We've got to go back.

Hagrid growls in surprise.

				REMUS
		What?

				HERMIONE
		I know where Harry is.

				REMUS
		But what about those fighter?

Hagrid barks in agreement with Remus.

				HERMIONE
		Hagrid, just do it.

				REMUS
		But what about Voldemort?

Hagrid turns on Remus, the newcomer, with an ominous growl.

				REMUS
		All right, all right, all right.

EXT. CLOUD CITY - MILLENNIUM FALCON - DUSK

The Falcon makes a graceful banking turn back toward Cloud City.

EXT. CLOUD CITY - LANDING PLATFORM

Voldemort enters the landing platform and watches as the speck that is
the Falcon disappears.  The wind blows at his cape.

He turns to two aides who are standing near the entrance to the landing
platform.

				VOLDEMORT
		Bring my shuttle.

EXT. BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY - WEATHER VANE

Nearly unconscious, Harry hangs upside-down on the weather vane as his
body shifts in the wind.

EXT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY

The Falcon dives to the underside of the floating city.  Three TIE
fighter close in on the starship.

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON

Hermione tries to remain calm.

				REMUS
			(pointing out the 
			 cockpit window)
		Look, someone's up there.

				HERMIONE
		It's Harry.  Hagrid, slow down.
		Slow down and we'll get under him.
		Remus, open the top hatch.

Remus rushes out of the cockpit.

EXT. BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY - WEATHER VANE

Harry hangs by one arm from the crossbar of the weather vane.  He slips
from the bar and grabs onto the pole of the vane as the Falcon banks
toward him.  The Falcon positions itself under Harry as Remus moves up
through the opening of the hatch.  Harry begins to slide and finally
falls from the vane into space.

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - COCKPIT

Out the cockpit window, Hermione sees Harry falling from the bottom of
the city.  The ship gains on him.

				HERMIONE
		Okay.  Easy, Hagrid.

The Falcon closes in on Harry.

EXT. BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY

Three TIE fighters race toward the Falcon, firing away.

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - HATCH

The hatch pops open with a hiss of pressure.  Remus reaches out to help
the battered warrior inside the ship.

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - COCKPIT

Flak bursts all around it as the Falcon banks away from the city.
Hermione and Hagrid struggle with the controls.

				HERMIONE
			(into intercom)
		Remus?

				REMUS
			(over intercom)
		Okay, let's go.

EXT. BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY

The Falcon races away.  It is closely followed by three TIE fighters,
all of which keep up a heavy spell assault on the fleeing starship.






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 05:02:08 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:02:08 -0000
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3e5cb$17e7e0e0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bva44g+ikkg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd"
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:

> THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

<snip everything>

LOL!  I don't know why, but my mental images kept "warping" between
the HP characters and the SW characters, except Ron was hilarious with
his head spinning round and -- poor Neville!

Hmmm... your casting seems to imply a future Hermione/Sirius ship. 
Somehow, I just can't picture those two together.  ;-)

Annemehr
who can't even think up a good scene to WARP; wishes there'd been time
to see _Love, Actually_





From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 07:56:43 2004
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:56:43 -0000
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <bva44g+ikkg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvaebr+givh@eGroups.com>

Hi Iggy,

I second Annemehr's LOL!  As a fan of the Lupin killed Sirius 
theory, I loved Lupin as Lando.  And even though I'm not much of a 
shipper, I was thinking how sorry I was for those poor 
Harry/Hermione fans reading your WARP.  You made them siblings!  
<gleeful laughter>

KathyK, who loved Star Wars best until she read Harry Potter




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 12:22:48 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:22:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Sawsan! (Belated)
Message-ID: <20040129122248.56545.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>

::takes a good look at the over-decorated room and the
8 layer birthday, knowing full well it's not going to
distract anyone from the calendar with *yesterday's*
date circled::

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Sawsan. Belated
birthday owls can be sent to this list or directly to:
sawsan_issa at earthlink.net

I hope your day was magical and brought everything you
wished for.

Happy Birthday, Sawsan!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

=====
http://www.livejournal.com/community/conventionalley/

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jan 29 13:53:34 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:53:34 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <bvaebr+givh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3e66f$4f221d60$18667144@Einstein>

> 
> Hi Iggy,
> 
> I second Annemehr's LOL!  As a fan of the Lupin killed Sirius
> theory, I loved Lupin as Lando.  And even though I'm not much of a
> shipper, I was thinking how sorry I was for those poor
> Harry/Hermione fans reading your WARP.  You made them siblings!
> <gleeful laughter>
> 
> KathyK, who loved Star Wars best until she read Harry Potter
> 

*grin*

Thanks to both of you for your compliments on my work.  It's always nice
to know that people enjoy the effort I put into these things. 

I think I unconsciously chose to make them siblings because I tend to
see them as such.  To me, Hermione is more like the sister Harry never
had, and really needs.  When you think about it, we also each have an
emotional and a rational side... Ron and Hermione represent those
aspects in Harry.

Personally, I'm a strong Harry / Luna shipper.

As to Ron and Neville as the droids... Well, Neville tends to end up in
those C3-PO situations... and R2D2 *was* actually Luke's best friend and
most constant companion, when you get down to it.  *grin*

(I originally was going to use Percy as C3-PO, and Kingsley as Lando,
since Percy matched C3-PO's personality, and Kingsley matched Lando's
look and style IMHO.)


Iggy McSnurd







From erinellii at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 19:42:46 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:42:46 -0000
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <000001c3e66f$4f221d60$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bvbnnm+89ob@eGroups.com>

Iggy:    When you think about it, we also each have an
> emotional and a rational side... Ron and Hermione represent those
> aspects in Harry.
> 
> Iggy McSnurd


Erin:
LoL, that being the case, how about a Star Trek WARP with Harry as 
Kirk, Hermione as Spock, and Ron as McCoy?





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 19:59:10 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:59:10 -0000
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <bvbnnm+89ob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvbome+2p52@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <erinellii at y...> wrote:
> Iggy:    When you think about it, we also each have an
> > emotional and a rational side... Ron and Hermione represent those
> > aspects in Harry.
> > 
> > Iggy McSnurd
> 
> 
> Erin:
> LoL, that being the case, how about a Star Trek WARP with Harry as 
> Kirk, Hermione as Spock, and Ron as McCoy?

Annemehr:
Yeah.  Do _The Wrath of Khan_ with Snape as Khan.

But who's going to be Scotty?  No one seems to quite fit, somehow. 
FredandGeorge, because they kept the bludgers off Harry in Quidditch
and took care of the technical difficulties (extendable ears,
diversion so Harry could speak to Sirius in the Floo) in OoP?






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jan 29 20:13:46 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:13:46 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <bvbnnm+89ob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3e6a4$69a08b60$18667144@Einstein>

> Iggy:    When you think about it, we also each have an
> > emotional and a rational side... Ron and Hermione represent those
> > aspects in Harry.
> >
> > Iggy McSnurd
> 
> 
> Erin:
> LoL, that being the case, how about a Star Trek WARP with Harry as
> Kirk, Hermione as Spock, and Ron as McCoy?
> 

Iggy here:

Good idea!   I can't wait to see what you come up with.  (There's some
great scenes you can use in Star Trek IV... or in the series.)

I'd recommend doing what I do... copy the section of the script you want
into Word, then using the "replace" function to swap out all the names
for the ones you want... and then you go through on a line by line
revision to smooth out and swap the little details for fine tuning.

It usually takes me about 30-60 minutes to do a scene this way... but
I'm about to undertake my largest attempt to date... the revision of an
entire script.  (That should actually take me a few days to a week or
more to work on, especially since my newest class has just started.)

Like I said, I can't wait to see what you come up with...

Oh, and here's a few URLs to the 3 script sites I use to get my base
data:

http://www.awesomefilm.com/
http://www.simplyscripts.com/
http://www.movie-page.com/movie_scripts.htm



Iggy McSnurd

(Who would rather see someone else work with their idea, than take
requests... although I'll consider some suggestions.  I just want to see
what others can do with this.)






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jan 30 02:14:13 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:14:13 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bv8du6+qdh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvcell+ffuu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Wolber" 
<wormtails_a_water_goblet at y...> wrote:
> 
> Next question:
> 
> What will be Hagrid's next project (since he's already had Norbert, 
> Fluffy, Thestrils, Blast-Ended Skrewts, etc.)?

A strain of mad-cow that is impervious to slaughtering (Hagrid's 
extensive classical education has familiarized him with Homer's Oxen 
of the Sun).

Next question:

For the next Tournament, they're adding a Fourth Task - what will it 
be?

  - CMC






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 30 02:49:20 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:49:20 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bvcell+ffuu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c3e6db$ac760d70$18667144@Einstein>

> Next question:
> 
> For the next Tournament, they're adding a Fourth Task - what will it
> be?
> 
>   - CMC
> 

Iggy here:

It will be a test of pure intellect - The champion is the one who can
most accurately, and quickly, determine the outcome of the Harry Potter
series at the end of book 7.   *grin*


Next question:

Has Snape ever been in a romantic relationship?  (If not, why?  If so,
with who and why did it end, if it did?)


Iggy McSnurd

(Who is, yet again, not the answer to this question.)







From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Jan 30 17:30:36 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:30:36 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c3e6db$ac760d70$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bve4bs+4tq8@eGroups.com>

> Has Snape ever been in a romantic relationship?  (If not, why?  If 
so, with who and why did it end, if it did?)
> Iggy McSnurd
> 
Severus Snape (or, if you will, Perseus Evans, the black-sheep half-
brother of Lily and Petunia) had an extended liaison with a Hogsmeade 
lady of easy virtue a little over ten years ago, who later married a 
muggle who did not officially adopt her child.

Since this question was in the realm of out-of-canon speculation, so 
is the next one:
Does Snape know about the child he fathered? And, if so, what will be 
his reaction to the child's imminent matriculation at Hogwarts?
Ms.Tattersall






From wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 17:50:31 2004
From: wormtails_a_water_goblet at yahoo.com (Kerry Wolber)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:50:31 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bve4bs+4tq8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bve5h7+7rhn@eGroups.com>

> Does Snape know about the child he fathered? And, if so, what will 
be 
> his reaction to the child's imminent matriculation at Hogwarts?
> Ms.Tattersall

In order to prevent the child from being sorted into Slytherin, Snape 
will "borrow" the sorting hat, and have Dumbledore transfigure him 
into the "new" sorting hat.  Therefore, he will sit on the boy's 
head. <grin>

Next question: Who will be the next player to join the Gryffindor 
Quidditch Team, and why?




From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Fri Jan 30 19:05:15 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:05:15 -0000
Subject: expand your vocabulary
Message-ID: <bve9tb+kt22@eGroups.com>

A friend sent this to me today...and I had to share it with you all.  
I also thought that we could come up with some great ones.  Please 
enjoy these...and feel free to add any that you think of. 


**(warning:  I have not edited this at all...there is some 
mildly 'colorful' language contained below)**


"The Washington Post's Style Invitational once again asked readers to 
take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, 
or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this 
year's winners:

1. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until 
you realize it was your money to start with.

2. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

3. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops 
bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows 
little sign of breaking down in the near future.

4. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of 
getting laid.

5. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the 
subject financially impotent for an indefinite period.

6. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.

7. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the 
person who doesn't get it.

8. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

9. Hipatitis: Terminal coolness.

10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

11. Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these 
really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the earth explodes and it's 
like a serious bummer.

12 Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day 
consuming only things that are good for you.

13. Glibido: All talk and no action. 

14. Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when 
they come at you rapidly.

15. Arachnoleptic fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after 
you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan, in the form of a mosquito, that gets into 
your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

17. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a grub in 
the fruit you're eating.

And the pick of the literature:

18. Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole."


Tcy
(who's personal favorites from above are: 2, 7, & 18)





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jan 30 19:19:00 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:19:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] expand your vocabulary
In-Reply-To: <bve9tb+kt22@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3e765$ef10bab0$18667144@Einstein>

> A friend sent this to me today...and I had to share it with you all.
> I also thought that we could come up with some great ones.  Please
> enjoy these...and feel free to add any that you think of.
> 
> 
> 
> Tcy


Iggy here:

Lo and behold, there cometh upon me another challenge, delivered unto me
by thee.


(In other words, expect me to find a way to contribute to this list.
*grin*)


Iggy McSnurd







From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Fri Jan 30 19:28:48 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:28:48 -0000
Subject: expand your vocabulary
In-Reply-To: <000401c3e765$ef10bab0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bveb9g+gfi9@eGroups.com>

"Iggy McSnurd" wrote:
> > A friend sent this to me today...and I had to share it with you 
all.
> > I also thought that we could come up with some great ones.  Please
> > enjoy these...and feel free to add any that you think of.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tcy
> 
> 
> Iggy here:
> 
> Lo and behold, there cometh upon me another challenge, delivered 
unto me
> by thee.
> 
> 
> (In other words, expect me to find a way to contribute to this list.
> *grin*)
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd


Now Tcy again:

Somehow, Iggy - I thought you might like this one.  And I must admit -
 I'd have been a little disappointed if you hadn't taken up the 
challenge!


Tcy
(looking forward to all of the contributions to this one)




From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 22:19:12 2004
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:19:12 -0000
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <bvbome+2p52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvel90+nh85@eGroups.com>

> Annemehr:
> Yeah.  Do _The Wrath of Khan_ with Snape as Khan.
> 
> But who's going to be Scotty?  No one seems to quite fit, somehow. 
> FredandGeorge, because they kept the bludgers off Harry in Quidditch
> and took care of the technical difficulties (extendable ears,
> diversion so Harry could speak to Sirius in the Floo) in OoP?

Who do we know who's Scottish? Not a certain Transfiguration teacher, 
perhaps? Of course!

Sandy




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jan 30 22:54:58 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:54:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <bvel90+nh85@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040130225458.24026.qmail@web25102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Sorry to disapoint you but McGonagall is an Irish name therefore I would assume that the Transfiguration teacher is Irish
 
Rincewind

msbeadsley <msbeadsley at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Annemehr:
> Yeah.  Do _The Wrath of Khan_ with Snape as Khan.
> 
> But who's going to be Scotty?  No one seems to quite fit, somehow. 
> FredandGeorge, because they kept the bludgers off Harry in Quidditch
> and took care of the technical difficulties (extendable ears,
> diversion so Harry could speak to Sirius in the Floo) in OoP?

Who do we know who's Scottish? Not a certain Transfiguration teacher, 
perhaps? Of course!

Sandy



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From mckosvc at bmts.com  Fri Jan 30 23:53:39 2004
From: mckosvc at bmts.com (ovc88guelph)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:53:39 -0000
Subject: expand your vocabulary
In-Reply-To: <bveb9g+gfi9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bveqq3+j3mr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> 
wrote:

> 
> Tcy
> (looking forward to all of the contributions to this one)

Anacronym (n):  an anachronistic acronym, as in UNIX. 

MMcK.




From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 01:19:32 2004
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:19:32 -0000
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
In-Reply-To: <20040130225458.24026.qmail@web25102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bvevr4+ce4m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon 
<udderpd at y...> wrote:
> Sorry to disapoint you but McGonagall is an Irish name therefore I 
would assume that the Transfiguration teacher is Irish

Scottish, Irish...close enough. I'm KIDDING! But I thought she was 
Scots. And I still think she'd fill the role better than anyone else 
in the pantheon.

Sandy, off to do research on who does/doesn't wear tartan




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 01:49:38 2004
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:49:38 -0000
Subject: The Opening of the Convention Alley Website and the Start of Registration
Message-ID: <bvf1ji+t9t2@eGroups.com>

The Convention Alley Planning Committee is pleased to announce the
opening of the official website of Convention Alley 2004:
http://www.conventionalley.org/.

We are also pleased to announce the start of registration for
Convention Alley. If you visit:
http://www.conventionalley.org/registration.html, you will find a
complete list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) about
registration. Here is a brief summary of the more important points
to consider before registering:

Dates of Convention: July 30-August 1, 2004

Location of Convention: University of Ottawa in Ottawa, Ontario
(Canada)

Events/Meals Included in Registration:
? Admission to all the daytime programming sessions
? The meet and greet
? Saturday breakfast and lunch
? The birthday banquet (including a sit-down, three-course
dinner)
? Movie admission
? Sunday breakfast and sit-down, three-course lunch
? Admission to such areas as the vendor marketplace, games
room, etc.

Registration does not include accommodations. We have reserved a
block of rooms at the University of Ottawa residence, and will also
provide a list of alternative accommodations.

Cost: CDN $200.00 between February 1, 2004 and March 30, 2004

CDN $250.00 between March 31, 2004 and July 1, 2004 (no registrations
will be accepted after July 1, 2004 and no on-site registration will
be available)

Age of Participants: Participants must be age 16 or older to attend
the conference. Participants between the ages of 16 and 18 years old
must be accompanied by a chaperone.

Questions? Please contact us at: convention_alley2004 @ hotmail.com
(without the spaces) regarding registration questions and at:
hpottawa @ yahoo.no (without the spaces) for all other questions.

We hope to see you there!

~Phyllis Morris
for the 2004 Convention Alley Planning Committee




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jan 31 08:27:45 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:27:45 EST
Subject: WARP - Empire Strikes Back
Message-ID: <6.2123a7e8.2d4cc101@aol.com>

Rincewind:
> Sorry to disapoint you but McGonagall is an Irish name therefore I would 
assume that the >Transfiguration teacher is Irish

Hmm.

You know, the Oxford Names Companion doesn't list the name, curiously, at 
least not it that form. The nearest is McGonigle (var.: McGonagle) which, as you 
say is Irish.

However, I have always assumed that Minerva's name was derived from that of 
the the eccentric Scottish poet, William McGonagall (of _The Tay Bridge 
Disaster_ fame).

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/index.shtml

Moreover, at The Yule Ball, Professor McGonagall is described as wearing 
dress robes of red tartan, with a rather ugly wreath of thistles around the brim 
of her hat. I had always taken this as further indication that she was 
Scottish.

~Eloise


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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jan 31 17:38:03 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bve5h7+7rhn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvgp5r+ka12@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Wolber" 
<wormtails_a_water_goblet at y...> wrote:
> > Does Snape know about the child he fathered? And, if so, what 
will 
> be 
> > his reaction to the child's imminent matriculation at Hogwarts?
> > Ms.Tattersall
> 
> In order to prevent the child from being sorted into Slytherin, 
Snape 
> will "borrow" the sorting hat, and have Dumbledore transfigure him 
> into the "new" sorting hat.  Therefore, he will sit on the boy's 
> head. <grin>
> 
> Next question: Who will be the next player to join the Gryffindor 
> Quidditch Team, and why?

Mark Evans, who will have developed extraordinary speed & dexterity 
after years of running away from Dudley.

Next: We all know what needs to happen before you can see a 
Thestral - what extraordinary event must you witness before you can 
see a Tebo?

  - CMC




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jan 31 17:56:18 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:56:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <bvgp5r+ka12@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3e823$8a7552f0$18667144@Einstein>

> Next: We all know what needs to happen before you can see a
> Thestral - what extraordinary event must you witness before you can
> see a Tebo?
> 
>   - CMC
> 

Iggy here:

You need to have witnessed one of Billy Blanks's exercise tapes.  (Think
about it...)


Next one:

In the next book, Harry might travel far into the past. (Ok, not
really...)  When, where, and why is he supposed to go?


Iggy McSnurd







From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Sat Jan 31 21:37:56 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:37:56 -0000
Subject: OK...what'd I miss this time?
Message-ID: <bvh77k+uhfe@eGroups.com>

In the Incorrect Harry Potter game thread, CMC asked:

Next: We all know what needs to happen before you can see a
Thestral - what extraordinary event must you witness before you can
see a Tebo?

- CMC
 
and Iggy responded:

You need to have witnessed one of Billy Blanks's exercise tapes. 
(Think
about it...)



OK...I got the exercise reference...nice play on words, Iggy....but 
(and I'm feeling kinda stupid asking this because I'm afraid it's 
going to be a head smacker when I get an answer..but here goes)... 

What is "Tebo"????????


Tcy
(who's used to feeling stupid...so let 'em rip)




From Erthena at aol.com  Sat Jan 31 23:10:32 2004
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:10:32 -0000
Subject: Incorrect Harry Potter Game?
In-Reply-To: <000301c3e823$8a7552f0$18667144@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bvhcl8+qvs8@eGroups.com>

> Iggy McSnurd said::> Next one:
> 
> In the next book, Harry might travel far into the past. (Ok, not
> really...)  When, where, and why is he supposed to go?
> 
He has to go back to the prank and impersonate his father so Snape 
won't die.

~~loony 

Next question: what is the name of the shop where Dobby buys his 
yarn?




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 23:43:04 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:43:04 -0000
Subject: OK...what'd I miss this time?
In-Reply-To: <bvh77k+uhfe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bvhei8+5i8r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tracy Hunt" <mphunt at s...> wrote:

> OK...I got the exercise reference...nice play on words, Iggy....but 
> (and I'm feeling kinda stupid asking this because I'm afraid it's 
> going to be a head smacker when I get an answer..but here goes)... 
> 
> What is "Tebo"????????
> 
> 
> Tcy
> (who's used to feeling stupid...so let 'em rip)

Just so you don't feel like you're the only one, Tcy...

I don't know what a Tebo is, either!!!!!!!!!

So on a hunch, I checked Fantastic Beasts:

"The Tebo is an ash-coloured warthog fgound in Congo and Zaire.  It
has the power of invisibility, making it difficult to evade or catch,
and is very dangerous.  Tebo hide is highly prized by wizards for
protective shields and clothing."  MOM classification XXXX

Suddenly CMC's FILK on the main list makes sense...

Annemehr
glad the HP books are all by the computer





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Jan 30 20:56:43 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:56:43 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat
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Shaun-

Try YahooMessanger, it's how I got in.
YahooChat is mostly down, Cheeta Chat can't
get in either.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Jan 30 21:01:26 2004
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:01:26 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat
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Message-ID: <002c01c3e774$3a354ca0$5a371c40@oemcomputer>

Everything's still going on and strong, we'll
be here for ya love.

Saitaina
****
"Stoppable, get back here and save us!  Or
more specifically me!"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."