From swartell at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 01:23:20 2004
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: knock knock but no answer!!
In-Reply-To: <cbvajc+sfr6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040701012320.31630.qmail@web53205.mail.yahoo.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G
> <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > HELP!!!
> > 
> > I keep trying to open the door but it will not
> open.  

I had exactly the same problem.

Try clearing your cache in your browser.  In
Netscape7, go to Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Cache and
then click on the button to clear the cache (that is
stored copies of web pages, basically).  In Netscape
earlier than 7, I think it's easier to find, though it
might still be under advanced.

In IE, I can't help off the top of my head, but the
path should be similar. Or click on the help button in
IE and search for cache.

If you use AOL's browser, you may be getting caught in
pages they have cached on their servers.  It has been
suggested that trying another browser (instead of
their default) may solve that one.  

Good luck.

Sue, in Columbus


	
		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 03:33:50 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:33:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: knock knock but no answer!!
In-Reply-To: <20040701012320.31630.qmail@web53205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040701033350.74747.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>



Sue Wartell <swartell at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G
> <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > HELP!!!
> > 
> > I keep trying to open the door but it will not
> open.  

I had exactly the same problem.

Try clearing your cache in your browser.  In
Netscape7, go to Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Cache and
then click on the button to clear the cache (that is
stored copies of web pages, basically).  In Netscape
earlier than 7, I think it's easier to find, though it
might still be under advanced.

In IE, I can't help off the top of my head, but the
path should be similar. Or click on the help button in
IE and search for cache.

If you use AOL's browser, you may be getting caught in
pages they have cached on their servers.  It has been
suggested that trying another browser (instead of
their default) may solve that one.  

Good luck.

Sue, in Columbus


      


Thanks for all the help you guys.  I am on AOL but it is the only browser I have right now (I get it for free so I have not really looked around for a different one).  I ended going on JKRowling.org and it worked.  Slow but it worked.  I had been going on JKRowling.com.  Thanks again for all of yall's help!!

moonmyyst


		
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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jul  1 03:52:33 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:52:33 -0000
Subject: Site Needed for Humorous Fic
Message-ID: <cc01q1+5ja1@eGroups.com>

A young lady who has contributed a few filks to my site has a large 
archive of humorous prose HP-fics. The site that she had previously 
posted them to is now defunct, and she's looking for another site to 
place her works. She says she doesn't want to use Fiction Alley or 
FF.net. Her stuff is fairly off the wall, but in no way slashy or 
offensive. Anyone have any suggestions?

  - CMC




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul  1 10:22:41 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:22:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Site Needed for Humorous Fic
In-Reply-To: <cc01q1+5ja1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040701102241.46320.qmail@web25305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Caius
I can fully understand her not wanting to use Fiction Alley they seem to have no regard for JKR's wishes and are filling their site with slash and student teacher pairings. At FanFiction.net at least we can avoid most of that rubbish and she could obviously put her stuff there.
pumpkinpie.org tend to be HP/HG selective although I think the Humour section is a bit more liberal. Also there is portkey.org some good stuff there.
 
TTFN          Udder PenDragon
 


Caius Marcius <coriolan at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
A young lady who has contributed a few filks to my site has a large 
archive of humorous prose HP-fics. The site that she had previously 
posted them to is now defunct, and she's looking for another site to 
place her works. She says she doesn't want to use Fiction Alley or 
FF.net. Her stuff is fairly off the wall, but in no way slashy or 
offensive. Anyone have any suggestions?

- CMC




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From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jul  1 13:40:53 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:40:53 -0000
Subject: Site Needed for Humorous Fic
In-Reply-To: <20040701102241.46320.qmail@web25305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cc1495+ik9b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon 
<udderpd at y...> wrote:
> Hi Caius
> I can fully understand her not wanting to use Fiction Alley they 
seem to have no regard for JKR's wishes and are filling their site 
with slash and student teacher pairings.

How do *you* know what JKR's wishes are in terms of fanfic? 

Do you really think that someone who praised Lolita, as a novel and 
a work of art, actually believes that discussion of 
intergenerational interpersonal relationships, or even "romance", 
believes that we are going against her wishes for allowing 
discussion of such things in narrative and "essay"/post form? 

In case you didn't know, the full quote re Lolita is "There are two 
books whose final lines make me cry without fail, irrespective of 
how many times I read them, and one is Lolita. There is so much I 
could say about this book. There just isn't enough time to discuss 
how a plot that could have been the most worthless pornography 
becomes, in Nabakov's hands, a great and tragic love story, and I 
could exhaust my reservoir of superlatives trying to describe the 
quality of the writing." 

Look - she described it as a "love story" - now tell me where and 
how and why you can presume a 100% slam by her on intergenerational 
relationships.

Now, in terms of slash fics, do you *really* think that someone 
whose stories explore themes of tolerance and understanding in such 
depth and with such cleverness is homophobic? Do you really believe 
that nobody is gay in the wizarding world? How could such a thing be 
possible, when around 10% of all human beings are gay? 

Apart from that, FictionAlley has a wonderful relationship with 
Warner Bros. They've sent us hundreds of dollars in merchandise to 
use in a contest that we just wrapped up, and yes, they and JKR's 
people are familiar with the types of fics we host on FA. I have, in 
fact, spoken with people on JKR's team about the fics we host, and 
they have *never* asked us to remove a fic. Never, in the three 
years that we've been online. Never in the two-plus years that we've 
worked with them. 

And given that the first contact we had with WB was after the New 
York Times ran a front page article which highlighted, a story that 
we host on FA where "Harry Potter and his schoolboy nemesis, Draco 
Malfoy, grow up to be gangsters and gay lovers in London." 

Yes, because of that article in the Times, WB contacted FA, and 
asked us to be an associate of their online store. We respect WB; we 
respect JKR's people - and I like to think they respect us enough to 
tell us if they have a problem with anything we have on the site. 
And don't forget - FA is a discussion site, as well as a fanfic 
site - that means that, like HpfGU, we allow discussion of all sorts 
of topics (although we do allow movie and book discussions to 
overlap, if the context is appropriate) - should HPfGU also bar 
certain topics because a random person or two thinks that they are 
against JKR's wishes, without any reason to actually think that?  

HPfGU allows discussion of same-gender relationships, and, for that 
matter, intergenerational relationships. Do you really find 
McGonnagal/Snape so horrifying? What about Arabella Figg/Remus 
Lupin? Those are intergenerational ships - and McGonnagal even 
*taught* Snape. And you really think those things are horrible? Why? 
And do you also tar HpfGU with the broad brush of "defying JKR's 
wishes" that you paint FA with? 

Finally, I want to note that at FictionAlley, we follow the precepts 
of the American Library Association, an entity that is partially 
supported, financially, by Scholastic Books - among those precepts 
are the following: 

<<Intellectual freedom is the right of every individual to both seek 
and receive information from all points of view without restriction. 
It provides for free access to all expressions of ideas through 
which any and all sides of a question, cause or movement may be 
explored.>>

<<In expressing their opinions and concerns, would-be censors are 
exercising the same rights librarians seek to protect when they 
confront censorship. In making their criticisms known, people who 
object to certain ideas are exercising the same rights as those who 
created and disseminated the material to which they object. Their 
rights to voice opinions and try to persuade others to adopt those 
opinions is protected only if the rights of persons to express ideas 
they despise are also protected. The rights of both sides must be 
protected, or neither will survive.>>

<<Censors might sincerely believe that certain materials are so 
offensive, or present ideas that are so hateful and destructive to 
society, that they simply must not see the light of day. Others are 
worried that younger or weaker people will be badly influenced by 
bad ideas, and will do bad things as a result. Still others believe 
that there is a very clear distinction between ideas that are right 
and morally uplifting, and ideas that are wrong and morally 
corrupting, and wish to ensure that society has the benefit of their 
perception. They believe that certain individuals, certain 
institutions, even society itself, will be endangered if particular 
ideas are disseminated without restriction. What censors often don't 
consider is that, if they succeed in suppressing the ideas they 
don't like today, others may use that precedent to suppress the 
ideas they do like tomorrow.>>

<<The freedom to read is essential to our democracy. It is 
continuously under attack. Private groups and public authorities in 
various parts of the country are working to remove or limit access 
to reading materials, to censor content in schools, to 
label "controversial" views, to distribute lists of "objectionable" 
books or authors, and to purge libraries. These actions apparently 
rise from a view that our national tradition of free expression is 
no longer valid; that censorship and suppression are needed to avoid 
the subversion of politics and the corruption of morals. >>


Heidi for FictionAlley






From saitaina at comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 15:33:00 2004
From: saitaina at comcast.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:33:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Site Needed for Humorous Fic
References: <cc01q1+5ja1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <024e01c45f80$b1734270$6501a8c0@CPQ15165210131>

CMC wrote:

<She says she doesn't want to use Fiction
Alley or
FF.net.>

Well as those happen to be the two largest
sites for HP fanfiction...my suggestion would
be she check with some of the smaller sites
depending on if there IS a pairing connected
with it or if it's just gen.  I couldn't give
you exact names or rules as I don't pay
attention to the smaller sites (I have enough
trouble paying attention to FA and FF.N)

HP_Fanfiction is also a place she can share
it by putting it on the fic list and then
announcing it on the main list.  Sounds like
more work then it is, trust me.

Saitaina R. Moricia
***
James was looking at Harry with a cross
between confusion, humor and 'someone put a
chicken on your head and it's doing a salsa
dance'.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Jul  1 17:02:20 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:02:20 -0000
Subject: Site Needed for Humorous Fic
In-Reply-To: <cc1495+ik9b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1g2s+fitu@eGroups.com>

>> udder pd wrote:
> > I can fully understand her not wanting to use Fiction Alley they 
> seem to have no regard for JKR's wishes and are filling their site 
> with slash and student teacher pairings.
>
> Heidi Tandy replied: 
> How do *you* know what JKR's wishes are in terms of fanfic? 
 
MsTattersall here:
I think the point of this inquiry was less an indictment of 
FictionAlley or an attempt to second-guess JKR than a request for an 
alternative forum. It does seem that FA leans heavily toward slash, 
and that is certainly FA's right, privilege, and direction if that is 
the preference of FA's marketplace. I can also understand why some 
writers and readers would prefer a fiction venue where the 'ships 
are "traditional" and seem to be more in keeping with the spirit of 
HP canon. So far, JKR has not introduced any gay characters (that we 
know of), nor has she ever hinted at relationships between 
professors, or between professors and students. While her personal 
thoughts and beliefs may accommodate such relationships in the RW, in 
the WW she has created for us, this is yet to be revealed. Those who 
write fanfic that follows the example she has set, and prefer not to 
commingle it with fic that deviates so drastically from it, cannot be 
faulted if they would like to choose another place to share it than 
FA. They have a choice, also.

(snip several paragraphs)
> 
> HPfGU allows discussion of same-gender relationships, and, for that 
> matter, intergenerational relationships. Do you really find 
> McGonnagal/Snape so horrifying? What about Arabella Figg/Remus 
> Lupin? Those are intergenerational ships - and McGonnagal even 
> *taught* Snape. And you really think those things are horrible? 
Why? 

No, they're not horrible, but in those examples you are talking about 
relationships between adults. If it's a Snape/Harry or even Mme. 
Hooch/Ron, we are looking at relationships between adults and minors, 
which in most of the U.S. is illegal, even if it is completely 
consensual. It certainly is not illegal to write fanfics about it, 
but again, it may be the preference of some writers to choose not to, 
and also to choose not to associate their work with those who do. 

(snip some more regarding intellectual freedom and suppressing ideas)

Nobody's suggesting that anything anybody wants to post to FA should 
be suppressed. FictionAlley seems to be a perfect example of freedom 
of expression and it should be encouraged. But please don't make the 
mistake of thinking that if somebody doesn't care for what you're 
offering and wants to "do business" elsewhere, that is in any way 
censorship or suppression of your forum. That's their freedom of 
expression, too.
MsTattersall






From mail at chartfield.net  Thu Jul  1 18:01:45 2004
From: mail at chartfield.net (queen_astrofiammante)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:01:45 -0000
Subject: Looking for FanFics
In-Reply-To: <cbu1vt+ik0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1ji9+8fub@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Grrarrggh at a... wrote:
> Does anyone know of any good fanfics that take place after OP in 
the 
> world of book 6? Thanks!
> 
> Tamara

Try this:

<a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lisa-and-
andy/fanfic/crossing1.htm" target="_blank">Crossing the Line</a>




From mail at chartfield.net  Thu Jul  1 18:05:35 2004
From: mail at chartfield.net (queen_astrofiammante)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:05:35 -0000
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cbuoie+h0p6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1jpf+4lka@eGroups.com>


> Think about the only time Mr. Weasly has used a telephone

Yep. When has a telephone ever been used to gain access to somewhere?




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 17:55:34 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:55:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Site Needed for Humorous Fic
References: <cc1g2s+fitu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017601c45f94$9c0c5930$e60b8f45@Voov>

Doesn't it really come down to the idea of a place for everything, and every
thing in its place?  Pardon me for laughing, but I'm thinking of a Bolivian
song that kind of refers to that.  Maybe you had to be there.  At any rate,
isn't there room in the world for all kinds of expression?  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jul  1 18:57:06 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:57:06 -0000
Subject: Who's Cedric? Your boyfriend? (was Re: Site Needed for Humorous Fic)
In-Reply-To: <cc1g2s+fitu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1mq2+cdep@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "MsTattersall" <cwood at t...> 
wrote:
> >> udder pd wrote:
> > > I can fully understand her not wanting to use Fiction Alley 
they 
> > seem to have no regard for JKR's wishes and are filling their 
site 
> > with slash and student teacher pairings.
> >
> > Heidi Tandy replied: 
> > How do *you* know what JKR's wishes are in terms of fanfic? 
>  
> MsTattersall here:
> I think the point of this inquiry was less an indictment of 
> FictionAlley or an attempt to second-guess JKR than a request for 
an 
> alternative forum.

Oh, I certainly think the *inquiry* was. The follow-up post, on the 
other hand, can't be read as anything but a slam on, or, to use your 
phrase, an indictment of FictionAlley. 

> It does seem that FA leans heavily toward slash, 
> and that is certainly FA's right, privilege, and direction if that 
is 
> the preference of FA's marketplace. 

First of all, FA has no "marketplace". We host what is submitted to 
us, as long as said submission meets the criteria listed here: 
http://www.fictionalley.org/submit.html - we don't look at a fic's 
theme, and despite some lies that have been told about FA elsewhere, 
we do not look to a fic's ship (it used to be common for people to 
lie and say that FA wouldn't host R/Hr or H/G fics, fyi). 

Second, have you figured out how many fics on FA are slash, as 
versus romance-free or "het"? Because if you have - if anyone has - 
man, do we need their database or programming skills! 

We actually have no idea how many fics of any particular genre FA 
hosts. We have no database system in place to track such things. But 
a quick glance at the Cruisin' portiong of the "Sorting" section of 
FA, which is a forum where people can post links to fics, indicates 
that the thread that's post often posted to is Draco/Hermione, 
followed by Harry/Draco, then, in descending order, Harry/Hermione, 
Draco/Ginny, Ron/Hermione, Harry/Ginny, Remus/Sirius, Snape/Hermione 
and Lily/James. 

In other words, out of the nine most oft-posted-to fic list threads, 
two are slash and one is intergenerationl; none are both. I left off 
the tenth most popular, for this separate sentence - it's Tom/Ginny, 
with about 100 fics listed, and some people deem it intergeneration 
as he's about 50 years older, while other think it's not, as he was 
in stasis all these years. I think it's a call based on the specific 
story, really, but to each their own. 

>I can also understand why some 
> writers and readers would prefer a fiction venue where the 'ships 
> are "traditional" and seem to be more in keeping with the spirit 
of 
> HP canon. 

But, as you can see from the list above, or even a glance at today's 
Blog, FictionAlley certainly hosts "traditional" ships too! I mean, 
if someone is so homophobic that they won't let their fics be on a 
site that allows slash, too, where are they to go? Mugglenet? They 
can't go to Sugarquill, they can't go to Checkmated, they certainly 
won't go to Skyehawke, which hosts NC17 fics, too. I think the 
problem with being prejudiced and judgmental in this fandom is, 
there just are so many places where prejudice and judgmental 
behaviours are frowned upon that there's a limited scope for those 
who prefer things otherwise. 

I just took a glance at the summaries of all the fics FA has 
uploaded in the past few days 
(http://www.schnoogle.com/blog/index.shtml) and my, are they 
diverse! Look at just a few of the selections: 

Travel back in time with Roseline Kehst, the newest member of the 
Order of the Phoenix, back to her days in Hogwarts. Watch her 
relationship with Sirius as it unravels, with humour, passion, 
friendship, trust, companionship and, in later days, love.  (PG13)

A heart wrenching fic about how tragic events in life can change a 
person. Hermione Granger suffers abuse at the hands of Lucius 
Malfoy. Draco Malfoy gets caught in the middle. Severus Snape 
struggles to save the Hermione he once knew and unwittingly falls in 
love with her. (R)

Remus's memories of Sirius, from when they first discovered he was a 
werewolf to present time. SB/RL slash. (R)

In Harry's sixth year, he must learn to accept the cards fate has 
dealt him. With unexpected new abilities, a new crush, and a 
mysterious Veil, this might be one of Harry's most eventful years at 
Hogwarts! (PG13)

Harry is back at Hogwarts, but everything is going wrong. What's 
really happening, and why are Ron and Hermione being so different? 
Why are they crying? H/Hr, Hr/R. (PG13)

She was a bastard daughter, a child that Lucius Malfoy never wanted, 
never admitted to having. She didn't fit into his plans and she 
wasn't important, she wasn't a part of his life - until she decided 
to end it. (PG-13)

Harry finds himself locked in a crowded common room in nothing but 
his boxers! Ginny is there and isn't slightly embarrassed. (PG13)

Molly Weasley is writing her thirtieth anniversary letter to Arthur, 
but is sidetracked by childhood memories. (PG)

When the young Severus Snape is caught with a secret, experimental 
potion, he is obliged to make a deal with James Potter that he will 
later come to regret... (PG)

Five young Ravenclaws deal with an unexpected danger, learning that 
evil and darkness come in many forms, some more perilous than 
others. But when those who must combat this darkness aren't from the 
house of lions, where will they find the courage and strength to 
fight? And how can one of these Ravenclaws, the son of a great 
wizard, find his own identity and his own destiny? (PG13)

***********************************

You want traditional pairings and stuff that reads like canon? You 
won't find it in a fic about five young Ravenclaws. But if Harry's 
in his boxers in front of Ginny, is that really so different from 
being caught starkers by Moaning Myrtle? And while you seem to think 
that JKR has never 

> hinted at relationships between 
> professors, or between professors and students...

She has made side references to relationships between professors - 
Dumbledore's comment about Pomfrey's comment about his earmuffs, the 
little kiss Hagrid gives McGonnagal, the whole Hagrid/Maxime thing - 
aren't those relationships between professors? 

And Myrtle is a good fifty years older than Harry, hasn't been in 
stasis like Riddle, and is still *oggling* him and Cedric in GoF. 
Yes, she hasn't grown up, and no, there is no actual touching, but 
it's sneakily and cleverly referred to in the book. And while there 
may not be any "on the page" gay characters yet, I think Dudley's 
obnoxious question to Harry about Cedric ("Who's Cedric? Your 
boyfriend?") lets the reader know that as Dudley's being homophobic 
or at least snarking about the possibility of Harry being gay, then 
it's not a good/nice/smart thing to do. 


> Those who 
> write fanfic that follows the example she has set, and prefer not 
to 
> commingle it with fic that deviates so drastically from it, cannot 
be 
> faulted if they would like to choose another place to share it 
than 
> FA. They have a choice, also.

Yes, people have a choice to support censorship of thoughts and 
ideas. People can refuse to look at what the author herself has said 
about intergenerational "love stories" and presume that JKR thinks 
that all writings about such things are Bad Bad Bad. But if they 
want their fics hosted on sites that only host things that are 100% 
in keeping with canon, they ought to start their own archives, 
because they won't find such an attitude at any of the reasonably-
sized archives in this fandom. 


> No, they're not horrible, but in those examples you are talking 
about 
> relationships between adults. If it's a Snape/Harry or even Mme. 
> Hooch/Ron, we are looking at relationships between adults and 
minors, 
> which in most of the U.S. is illegal, even if it is completely 
> consensual. It certainly is not illegal to write fanfics about it, 
> but again, it may be the preference of some writers to choose not 
to, 
> and also to choose not to associate their work with those who do. 

Luckily, JKR doesn't feel the same way. People are certainly 
entitled to archive their fics anywhere they like, but they should 
justify their own personal decision by claiming that JKR wishes that 
people not write fanfic that contains gay characters, or that JKR 
wishes that people not write about intergenerational romances, or 
imply that JKR believes that intergenerational romances are 
inherently Bad Bad Bad. 

Furthermore, while the age of consent for gay relationships was 18 
in the UK until the late 90s (ie after the series is expected to be 
over) the age of consent in many states in the US and all throughout 
the UK to consent to heterosexual sex is a bit younger than that. 
Yes, of course, it is *wrong* for a teacher to seduce a student, but 
there's a number of fics on FA that deal with the "wrongness" issue, 
and others that try to explain it (from today's list, 
http://www.astronomytower.org/authors/chrmisha/OTWT01.html is one 
such example) and there's a pretty large number that find 22 year 
old Hermione falling in love with 38 year old Remus Lupin or Severus 
Snape - so, in those cases, the student is a former student, and is 
now an adult. 

Then again, I had a conversation once with someone who said that she 
didn't think a certain site would ever archive a Bill Weasley/Remus 
Lupin fic set during book 5 - not because it was slash, but because 
it was intergenerational. As this was before JKR's infamous Maths 
Issue this spring, I was under the impression, as were hundreds of 
others, that they were perhaps six years apart, and Bill had been a 
first year in Lupin's last. Who's right in this calculation> 
 
> Nobody's suggesting that anything anybody wants to post to FA 
should 
> be suppressed. FictionAlley seems to be a perfect example of 
freedom 
> of expression and it should be encouraged. But please don't make 
the 
> mistake of thinking that if somebody doesn't care for what you're 
> offering and wants to "do business" elsewhere, that is in any way 
> censorship or suppression of your forum. 

I wasn't trying to make the claim that it was such censorship or 
suppression, and I am sorry that it came off that way. 

However, I continue to be astonished that people who are fans of a 
book about tolerance - where it's commonplace to see interracial 
romances that would have been deemed shocking thirty - or even 
twenty - years ago, can demonstrate intolerance to the degree that 
they are shocked SHOCKED! that there may be gay witches and wizards. 
That in a world where the life expectancy seems to be over 100 
years, there wouldn't be intergenerational romances. That people 
should be allowed to write about bad things, and things they don't 
agree with - JKR does, so why shouldn't her fans? 

As JKR said in 2000 (http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/1000-cbc-
rogers.htm), "Sometimes I get asked 'What would be your recipe for a 
happier life?' And I've always said 'A bit more tolerance from all 
of us.'" 

Heidi




From andie at knownet.net  Thu Jul  1 19:21:07 2004
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:21:07 -0000
Subject: JK's Cell Phone
Message-ID: <cc1o73+lsji@eGroups.com>

Just thought you'd appreciate this... I was on JK's site goofing 
around, etc. and I got up, went in the kitchen and sort of forgot 
that I was online. Well, after quite a while, I heard a phone 
ringing.  Well, I tracked it down to the cell phone on JK's page.  I 
pressed the button to answer the phone, and a woman with a British 
accent (JK maybe?) says "Hello?  Is anyone there?"

Isn't that cool??? :)

Andrea




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Jul  1 19:40:40 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:40:40 -0000
Subject: The Half Blood Prince
Message-ID: <cc1pbo+brfq@eGroups.com>

I've worked out who the Half Blood Prince *must* be - although that 
person cannot have been in CoS.

It's so obvious really. Ron is a king, the Slytherins have told us 
"Weasley is our King". Harry has dreamed of both Ron and Hermione 
wearing crowns. What is the male offspring of a king called? A 
prince. 

What would any child of Ron and Hermione be? a Half Blood. Q.E.D: 
Hermione will have Ron's son in the next book, and he will be a Half 
Blood "Prince".

Why is everybody making such a meal of this title?


Ali, the mischievous










From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 20:04:48 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:04:48 -0000
Subject: JK's Cell Phone
In-Reply-To: <cc1o73+lsji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1qp0+fid1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe" <andie at k...> 
wrote:
> Just thought you'd appreciate this... I was on JK's site goofing 
> around, etc. and I got up, went in the kitchen and sort of forgot 
> that I was online. Well, after quite a while, I heard a phone 
> ringing.  Well, I tracked it down to the cell phone on JK's page.  
I 
> pressed the button to answer the phone, and a woman with a British 
> accent (JK maybe?) says "Hello?  Is anyone there?"
> 
> Isn't that cool??? :)
> 
> Andrea

It is SO cool.  JKR must be the coolest author on earth, because I 
adore her site.  I keep it up all the time so I can hear the sounds -
that, and it goes so well with my HP screensaver, the one of Harry 
in bed, looking at the Marauder's Map with his wand lit ;).  When my 
kids hear the phone ringing, they all yell, "Mom!  It's JK Rowling!  
Can I answer it?"  or  "I HEAR PEEVES!!"  Hehe.  

I love the site.

Alora :)




From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jul  1 20:27:14 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:27:14 -0000
Subject: The Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <cc1pbo+brfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1s32+ng5e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> worked out 
the identity of the half-blood prince, in a somewhat clever way. 

 
> What would any child of Ron and Hermione be? a Half Blood. Q.E.D: 
> Hermione will have Ron's son in the next book, and he will be a 
Half 
> Blood "Prince".


If it's that, then JKR will be writing something she'd said she 
wouldn't write. In 2000, at http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/0700-jones-newsweek.html JKR 
said "I feel it would be inappropriate-in these books -were Hermione 
to have an underage pregnancy or if one of them were to start taking 
drugs, because it's unfaithful to the tone of the books. It's not at 
all that I don't think those themes can be explored superbly in 
children's literature."

In other words, she thinks it's fine that children's literature 
includes things like kids dealing with issues like sex and pregnancy 
and drugs, but it's not part of the story that she herself is 
telling right now. 


Heidi

Heidi




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Jul  1 20:29:23 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:29:23 -0000
Subject: Who's Cedric? Your boyfriend? (was Re: Site Needed for Humorous Fic)
In-Reply-To: <cc1mq2+cdep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1s73+va7t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "heiditandy" <lists at h...> 
wrote:
> (snipping most of a very well considered reply to tie a bow around 
the subject)
> As JKR said in 2000 (http://www.the-leaky-
> cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/1000-cbc-
> rogers.htm), "Sometimes I get asked 'What would be your recipe for 
a 
> happier life?' And I've always said 'A bit more tolerance from all 
> of us.'" 
> 
> Heidi

Amen and amen. As another HPfGU-OT'er just remarked, "To each his/her 
own." I will append, "And let none other think ill of it." 

(And having seen a photograph of Robert Pattinson, who will portray 
Cedric in GoF-Movie, I will add that he can be MY boyfriend anytime. 
How's that for an intergenerational romance? <big wicked grin>)

MsTattersall, 
who wrote slash when most of this group was still in nappies, but 
prudently kept it in her private stash







From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 21:40:43 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:40:43 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Who's Cedric? Your boyfriend? (was Re: Site Needed for Humorous Fic)
References: <cc1s73+va7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02fc01c45fb4$0f82d140$e60b8f45@Voov>

As far as Dudley's question goes, I wouldn't put any stock in it.  We all
know Dudley is a first class dolt.  Man, when I was a kid, kids said stupid
things to each other quite frequently.  I wouldn't find it out of character
for Dud to ask if Hagrid were Harry's boy friend.  I have no respect for
Siggy The Fraud, meaning Sugmund Freud, but he did get one thing right.
Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.  I would say most times.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Jul  1 23:23:48 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:23:48 -0000
Subject: The Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <cc1s32+ng5e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc26e4+nhpa@eGroups.com>

Ali: 
> 
>  
> > What would any child of Ron and Hermione be? a Half Blood. 
Q.E.D: 
> > Hermione will have Ron's son in the next book, and he will be a 
> Half 
> > Blood "Prince".
> 
Heidi: 

> If it's that, then JKR will be writing something she'd said she 
> wouldn't write. In 2000, at http://www.the-leaky-
> cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/0700-jones-newsweek.html 
JKR 
> said "I feel it would be inappropriate-in these books -were 
Hermione 
> to have an underage pregnancy or if one of them were to start 
taking 
> drugs, because it's unfaithful to the tone of the books. It's not 
at 
> all that I don't think those themes can be explored superbly in 
> children's literature."

Heidi, Heidi, Heidi...

It's misdirection.  You don't suppose witches go through morning 
sickness, heartburn and labour pains, do you?  Or even all that icky 
sex?  It's just swish and flick, a simple "Dilato" spell, and - 
pop! - there's a baby in the cradle, sex and babygro colour as 
determined by the parents.

After all, think about the drugs part.  Hermione doesn't just *take* 
Polyjuice, she *pushes* it to her best friends, even encouraging 
them to assault and rob a couple of innocent fellow-students to do 
so.  Later, when Fred and George try to benefit from this lucrative 
market, she abuses her powers to keep them off her patch.  And the 
teachers are no better.  Snape gives Lupin a highly potent 
tranquilliser, which Lupin *openly takes in front of a student*.

David




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 02:28:10 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 02:28:10 -0000
Subject: Movie music
Message-ID: <cc2h7q+5cms@eGroups.com>

I play the oboe, so I am not exactly sure if I am right, but doesn't 
it sound like a recorder on the selection "A Window to the Past"?  
Such a lovely, lovely selection, and I'm wondering if any of you 
think it is also a recorder.  My son plays the recorder, but we 
can't hit any of the lower notes in the solo, which makes me think 
it is the larger alto (?) recorder.  Any ideas?

thanks!

Alora :)




From heyjude1967 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 12:40:07 2004
From: heyjude1967 at yahoo.com (Judi)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:40:07 -0000
Subject: Leaky Cauldron needs our help
Message-ID: <cc3l37+cvc9@eGroups.com>

By now I'm sure most are aware of this. Just thought I'd put my 2-
cents in to encourage any and all help at the site. - THANKS so much 
to any Leaky staff members  who might spot this for the hours of 
ceaseless work! It's very much appreciated and we just can't do 
without you.  





From starmom513 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 13:47:56 2004
From: starmom513 at yahoo.com (P Dennos)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Movie music
In-Reply-To: <cc2h7q+5cms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040702134756.49147.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- alora <chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I play the oboe, so I am not exactly sure if I am
> right, but doesn't 
> it sound like a recorder on the selection "A Window
> to the Past"?  
> Such a lovely, lovely selection, and I'm wondering
> if any of you 
> think it is also a recorder.  My son plays the
> recorder, but we 
> can't hit any of the lower notes in the solo, which
> makes me think 
> it is the larger alto (?) recorder.  Any ideas?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Alora :)
> 
> 
I have a tenor recorder (it's actually in 3 pieces and
has to be assembled -- it also has metal keys for the
lowest notes).  Unfortunately, I haven't played it in
years, but I'm sure it would reach the low notes.

I agree, this is a beautiful piece, and one of my
favorites on the soundtrack.

starmom513




		
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From lists at heidi8.com  Fri Jul  2 15:32:52 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:32:52 -0000
Subject: Who's Cedric? Your boyfriend? (was Re: Site Needed for Humorous Fic)
In-Reply-To: <cc1s73+va7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc3v74+rdj5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "MsTattersall" <cwood at t...> 
wrote:
> (And having seen a photograph of Robert Pattinson, who will 
portray 
> Cedric in GoF-Movie, I will add that he can be MY boyfriend 
anytime. 
> How's that for an intergenerational romance? <big wicked grin>)

Well, at least it's not illegal! He's 20 or 21, IIRC. 


One thing I wasn't able to access when I was posting yesterday - one 
of the sites that JKR recommended as Site of the Month on her 
website (http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/fansite_view.cfm?id=1) is 
Immeritus (http://pages.prodigy.net/siriusblack/index1024.html) 
which hosts slash fics and fanart. So while everyone is certainly 
entitled to their own preferences as to whether they want to see it 
or not, I don't think it's possible to state unequivocally that 
slashing the characters is inherently against JKR's wishes. 

Heidi




From mariaalena at purdue.edu  Fri Jul  2 18:44:22 2004
From: mariaalena at purdue.edu (Maria)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:44:22 -0000
Subject: Site Needed for Humorous Fic
In-Reply-To: <cc1g2s+fitu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc4ae6+geuj@eGroups.com>

Not to beat a dead horse, but...

MsTattersall wrote:
> So far, JKR has not introduced any gay characters (that we 
> know of)

Regarding not introducing gay characters - Neil Gaiman said it well in
his blog when asked about gay characters in his works (I would link to
the entry, but neilgaiman.com is down, so here's a link to google's
cached version: http://tinyurl.com/392t4 ): 

"(One major character in Neverwhere is gay, although you'll not know
it until he develops a romantic liaison.) [...] I tend not to write
characters with sexual orientation as a starting point, unless that's
how they define themselves. Most people don't."

The "straight until proven gay" assumption isn't really... well, a
very good or fair assumption, really. JKR hasn't explicitly stated the
sexual orientation of the vast majority of her characters ? and
filling in the blanks is one of the points of fanfiction. Another is
exploring areas where JKR probably wouldn't venture.

> MsTattersall,
> who wrote slash when most of this group was 
> still in nappies, but prudently kept it in 
> her private stash

Ooh! What fandom? Or was it original fiction?

Maria




From mariaalena at purdue.edu  Fri Jul  2 18:52:38 2004
From: mariaalena at purdue.edu (Maria)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:52:38 -0000
Subject: The Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <cc26e4+nhpa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc4atm+uf6e@eGroups.com>

> David:
> After all, think about the drugs part.  Hermione doesn't just *take* 
> Polyjuice, she *pushes* it to her best friends, even encouraging 
> them to assault and rob a couple of innocent fellow-students to do 
> so.  Later, when Fred and George try to benefit from this lucrative 
> market, she abuses her powers to keep them off her patch.  And the 
> teachers are no better.  Snape gives Lupin a highly potent 
> tranquilliser, which Lupin *openly takes in front of a student*.

Those wizards. No morals at all.

Maria




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  2 19:59:53 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:59:53 -0000
Subject: fun for StarWars fans
Message-ID: <cc4erp+qtns@eGroups.com>

Just thought I'd share this one:

http://www.brickfrenzy.com/space isd.htm


Sophia





From lists at heidi8.com  Fri Jul  2 20:44:02 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:44:02 -0400
Subject: Jerry the Frog's take on PrisonerOfAzkaban is now up
Message-ID: <1088801048.4DE4017@s29.dngr.org>

It's at http://www.jerrythefrogproductions.com/PrisonerOfAzkaban.html - 
and I guess I should warn for in-jokes, references to intergenerational 
'creepliness, sexual innuendo, meta, slash, references to fanfic as a 
concept and adult humor, but since this *is* a list for grownups, that 
shouldn't pose a huge problem.

My favorite bit is:
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
P
A
C
E
"Drive safe! Don't fall into any mysterious veiled dimensions!"

Sob.

Heidi



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 21:33:49 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:33:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Amanda!
Message-ID: <20040702213349.59342.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

*pulls out all the stops in decorating the party room,
with the added touch of Alan Rickman posters on all
the walls*

Yeah, it's not what I had planned. I had asked Mr.
Rickman if he'd let me cover him in icing for you and
be your cake. He declined. I don't know why. I mean,
you traveled all the way from Texas to meet him and
now he acts like we're some kind of weirdos.

Today's birthday honouree is Amanda, also known to
some of you as Amandageist. Birthday owls can be sent
care of this list or directly to editor at texas.net

This is a special birthday for Amanda, entering her
into my decade. Those of you who know us will know how
old she is. Those of you who are trying to guess, be
nice. She can be really mean when crossed!

Happy Birthday, Amanda!

If we make it to NYC again, my gift to you is a whole
day at the Museum of Natural History. No pushing you
through the gift shop, sights unseen. ;-)

Sheryll the Birthday Elf (and Amanda's bestest friend,
in case you couldn't tell)

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul  3 02:13:24 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:13:24 -0400
Subject: Cheering Charms Needed!!
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEIJDAAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Oi! It's been a week--a horrid week--with me trying to get my computer
restored, not lose any e-mail, et., etc., and with a slightly scrogged XP CD
thrown into the mix.  RAAAAAH!  Just needed to vent.

However, at this point, I've got everything running properly, more or less,
and have only 700 posts to catch up on from all the lists I'm on...the main
list, this one and the Battlestar and Ham Radio lists.  So, it's going to
take a bit before I can properly respond to any of the thoughts and ideas
out there. :-)

Oh--yeah--I didn't even have any chocolate in the house to help me over the
humps! How ghastly!

So, cheering charms, butter beer, pumpkin pasties and, of course, some
Honeydukes chocolate always welcome. <Grin>

Enough ranting...back to something more Potteresque. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)


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From captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jul  3 01:52:55 2004
From: captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au (captain_suburbia)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:52:55 -0000
Subject: Yorkshire Pudding and Golden syrup
In-Reply-To: <672535F5-C442-11D8-A66E-000A95DC8A32@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <cc53hn+bv9p@eGroups.com>

Ivogun:
> Thanks to the person who mentioned a way to recreate Golden Syrup. 
> Where I
> live (in theUS) it's very expensive, if you find it at all . 

I was gobsmacked (*GOBSMACKED*, I say) to read this! Here in Australia
it is reeeeally cheap, and a favorite ingredient of cheap, filling,
Depression era puddings. And, yes, as you say, helps make a great
gingerbread.  Well, well, that's something I've learned today. 

Burbs





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 02:32:04 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:32:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheering Charms Needed!!
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEIJDAAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040703023204.44908.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)"
<n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote: > Oi! It's been a week--a
horrid week--with me trying
> to get my computer
> restored, not lose any e-mail, et., etc., and with a
> slightly scrogged XP CD
> thrown into the mix.  RAAAAAH!  Just needed to vent.
> 
Vent away. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can
sympathise. I had to replace my hard drive not so long
ago. We still haven't got my computer to recognise the
modem. Thank goodness we're a two computer family and
that hubby was kind enough to leave his behind when he
went off to summer camp.

> However, at this point, I've got everything running
> properly, more or less,
> and have only 700 posts to catch up on from all the
> lists I'm on...the main
> list, this one and the Battlestar and Ham Radio
> lists.  So, it's going to
> take a bit before I can properly respond to any of
> the thoughts and ideas
> out there. :-)
> 
You're going to read all those posts? I wish you luck.
Lots of it.

> Oh--yeah--I didn't even have any chocolate in the
> house to help me over the
> humps! How ghastly!
> 
According to the rules of this house, that's illegal.
Chocolate deficiency is punishable by, by, by... lack
of chocolate is its own punishment. :-)

> So, cheering charms, butter beer, pumpkin pasties
> and, of course, some
> Honeydukes chocolate always welcome. <Grin>
> 
Would send chocolate, but that would leave me with
none. Besides, I wouldn't trust those postal employees
not to claim it for themselves. Sending cheering charm
instead. 

Sheryll

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul  3 04:09:04 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 00:09:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cc1jpf+4lka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEINDAAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

From: queen_astrofiammante [mailto:mail at chartfield.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 14:06
> Think about the only time Mr. Weasly has used a telephone

Yep. When has a telephone ever been used to gain access to somewhere?

[Lee]:
Ah--the Ministry Of Magic, of course. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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From queenofswords2223 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 04:06:17 2004
From: queenofswords2223 at yahoo.com (queenofswords2223)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 04:06:17 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts_MagicRPG in need of members
Message-ID: <cc5bbp+aloo@eGroups.com>

      Hey, I'm new here. I've actually been looking around to see if 
I could find a good group to maybe find other HP fans, like me, as 
well as post an ad for a group I've recently started. Anyway, here 
it is.

Hogwarts Magic is an RPG set during Harry Potter's, currently, 
unpublished sixth year of schooling at Hogwarts. Currently, we have 
a few characters taken from the books, but are still in need of 
several vital characters, specifically Harry, himself. New members 
will receive a set of rules, as well as a character bio sheet (only 
for created characters), upon joining the group. Membership is 
restricted (this is for two reasons, the first being that content of 
a mature nature may come up, and the second being to keep out the 
spammers). A character list, which is kept up to date, is located in 
the database section, and you can check that out to find out who 
your fellow cast members are or find a character to play. A group 
website is forthcoming, and this will include basic information, 
cast list, rules page, where we are, currently, and the like. 

The following is a partial (a more complete list can be found by 
going into the database) cast list of characters we are currently in 
need of:

Harry Potter
Draco Malfoy
Neville Longbottom
The Patil Sisters (Parvati and Padma)
Dumbledore
Professor McGonagall
Lucius Malfoy
The Weasley's (except Ron)
Mad Eye Moody
Hagrid
and many, many more.

Characters without a writer ID are available, and, trust me, there 
are a ton of characters available. You may also create a character 
(however, I will not be accepting any bios for DADA teachers, as we 
have a perfectly competent (aka not Delores Umbridge) one at 
present), if you wish. They only need to be approved by myself, 
first, and you may either post them to the list (once approved) or 
send them, privately, to me at queenofswords2223 at yahoo.com. 

Currently, all students are located at the Hogwarts Express, as it 
prepares to head back to Hogwarts for another year, and all teachers 
are located at Hogwarts, hopefully, preparing for the students 
arrival. 

The following is the address where you may locate the game at, and 
you may e-mail me at the earlier address to inquire about any 
questions you may have on the game. 

Hope to see you there.
queenofswords2223 at yahoo.com

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hogwarts_MagicRPG






From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 14:22:22 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:22:22 -0000
Subject: JKR's Scrapbook
Message-ID: <cc6feu+sct1@eGroups.com>

How many entries are there to the scrapbook?  I've found 4 (phone, 
key, poition, can't remember the fourth) so I was wondering if there 
were more than 4 "secrets"?

Thanks,
Jules





From andie at knownet.net  Sat Jul  3 21:10:14 2004
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:10:14 -0000
Subject: JKR's Scrapbook
In-Reply-To: <cc6feu+sct1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc77bm+iraf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> How many entries are there to the scrapbook?  I've found 4 (phone, 
> key, poition, can't remember the fourth) so I was wondering if 
there 
> were more than 4 "secrets"?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jules


I also have been able to get 4 entries to my scrapbook, and I believe 
that is all there is... for now!  I'm thinking that now the Do Not 
Disturb sign is back on the door and all, there will also be more 
things to find elsewhere as well.  However, I'm thinking that for the 
first round, there are only 4.

Andrea :)




From maidne at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 00:14:42 2004
From: maidne at yahoo.com (maidne)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:14:42 -0000
Subject: JKR's Scrapbook
In-Reply-To: <cc77bm+iraf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc7i5i+p4hd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "grindieloe" <andie at k...> 
wrote:
> I'm thinking that now the Do Not 
> Disturb sign is back on the door and all, there will also be more 
> things to find elsewhere as well.  However, I'm thinking that for 
the 
> first round, there are only 4.
> 
> Andrea :)

:(  I never got a chance to go through that door.  I tried several 
times, but the Do Not Disturb sign was there every time.  >:p




From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 00:36:11 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:36:11 -0000
Subject: Changes at JKR's site
Message-ID: <cc7jdr+2lk3@eGroups.com>

I went on today for the first time in July.  New Wizard of the Month 
and new fansite (which is no stranger to any of us here), of course. 
The most signficant thing is that the cell phone is missing. Maybe 
another scrapbook item's going to be offered?

Donna




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 03:49:32 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 03:49:32 -0000
Subject: Changes at JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cc7jdr+2lk3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc7uoc+b7i7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bookraptor11" 
<bookraptor11 at y...> wrote:
> I went on today for the first time in July.  New Wizard of the 
Month 
> and new fansite (which is no stranger to any of us here), of 
course. 
> The most signficant thing is that the cell phone is missing. Maybe 
> another scrapbook item's going to be offered?
> 
> Donna

I just logged on and I still have a cell phone in the left hand 
upper corner...does that mean that I need to refresh something or 
deal with cookies?  I'm not very technical... :)

Alora




From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Sun Jul  4 03:55:33 2004
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (Blair)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 03:55:33 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!!!
Message-ID: <cc7v3l+43tq@eGroups.com>

(Sorry that this is so late [It's 11:47 EST time])
*hums to herself while putting up decorations* Hm...this is hard to 
do alone...I wonder how Sheryll does it all?  *climbs ladder to put 
up streamers, and falls* Ouch!  Well, I'll try again next time!

3 July was a very special day!   Three of our members (Pip, Debbie, 
and Rebecca) celebrated birthdays!  Any birthday owls can be sent to 
these e-mails!  Although I would recommend not sending cake by 
owl...I've noticed the owls tend to eat them!

pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk - Pip

elfundeb at comcast.net - Debbie

GypseeLynn at yahoo.com - Rebecca


I wish all three of you a very happy (somewhat belated [sorry 
again!]) birthday!

Oryomai the Substitute Birhtday Elf




From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 04:28:16 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 04:28:16 -0000
Subject: Changes at JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cc7uoc+b7i7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc8110+906k@eGroups.com>

Donna:

> > The most signficant thing is that the cell phone is missing. 
Maybe 
> > another scrapbook item's going to be offered?


> I just logged on and I still have a cell phone in the left hand 
> upper corner...does that mean that I need to refresh something or 
> deal with cookies?  I'm not very technical... :)
> 
> Alora

I went back and it's there again. Wonder what happened, when it was 
missing everything else was working perfectly. The old code still 
works too (you get a check mark if you've already been given your 
scrapbook page for it). I tried a few other phrases (half blood, 
prince, Potter, etc.) which didn't do anything new, I thought maybe 
JKR had added something. Could be I just haven't guessed right. 

Donna




From judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul  4 13:10:29 2004
From: judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk (judy_magic333)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:10:29 -0000
Subject: Need help, regarding HP merchandise
Message-ID: <cc8vk5+c49n@eGroups.com>

Hi!  My name is Judy, an American who moved to Glasgow, Scotland, 7 
months ago and got married.  I *love* the HP books and hope to get 
some of the merchandise.  Particularly t-shirts (I wear adult size 
2XL) and watches (I got a cool one out of the catalog on my flight 
here, but the strap is child-size, *argh*).  I also want to look at 
HP merchandise in general, as I may see something I decide I want to 
get.  Where can I go in the UK that has this?  Are there any stores 
in Glasgow, or can you recommend any good websites that operate in 
the UK?

Judy





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jul  4 15:02:20 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 4 Jul 2004 15:02:20 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1088953340.19.87562.m24@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, July 4, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From julie_balfour at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  4 16:37:46 2004
From: julie_balfour at hotmail.com (Boolean)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:37:46 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN?=
Message-ID: <cc9boq+k07q@eGroups.com>

Help!

We can't get through the door, the sign is always there and we are very frustrated. We have 
tried to clear  cache on our mac and have tried .org instead of .com etc.

Any ideas?

Please?

boolie and dobs




From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Sun Jul  4 17:51:02 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:51:02 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DO NOT DISTURB SIGN
In-Reply-To: <cc9boq+k07q@eGroups.com>
References: <cc9boq+k07q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40E84386.70903@colinogilvie.co.uk>

Boolean wrote:

> We can't get through the door, the sign is always there and we are 
> very frustrated. We have
> tried to clear  cache on our mac and have tried .org instead of .com etc.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Please?


I believe that you can not get through the door when the "Do Not 
Disturb" sign is hanging on it. Only when the sign is away, are you able 
to get through and see what new piece of information that JKR has hidden 
behind it, and there is no gurantee how often this happens.

Colin





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jul  4 20:29:57 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:29:57 -0000
Subject: The Star-Spangled Filk Song
Message-ID: <cc9pc5+f09u@eGroups.com>

On America's 228th birthday, it is an appropriate occasion to reflect 
on the fact that our national anthem is a filk song.  The melody that 
we all mangle at ballparks across America began as a "drinking song" ?
 in many cases this is an inaccurate somewhat contemptuous 
description sometimes used to describe what is a popular song of the 
past? however in this case, the song, To Anacreon in Heaven, actually 
does celebrate the joys of both Venus and Bacchus ? the verses that 
we sing as 

Oh say does that Star-Spangled Banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

Originally went


And besides I'll instruct you like me to entwine 
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine

Both thoroughly admirable sentiments, IMO. 

Get the full story here:

http://www.colonialmusic.org/Resource/Anacreon.htm

And it's too bad that few of us ever get past the first stanza of 
SSB ? the second stanza has always been my favorite ? you may recall 
that on the evening of Sept 13, 1814 (during the misnamed War of 
1812) Baltimore lawyer Francis Scott Key was briefly held in custody 
on a British ship during their attack on Baltimore. All through the 
night, Key remained uncertain as to the course of the battle (after 
all, the Brits had just burned down our Executive Mansion and looted 
the Capitol a few weeks before) ? but at sunrise he could see the 
American flag still flying over Fort McHenry. He wrote his filk 
immediately afterwards, which was first printed in a Baltimore paper 
on Sept. 20.

On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Get all four verses here:

http://www.contemplator.com/america/ssbanner.html

    - CMC 




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 00:39:56 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:39:56 -0000
Subject: The Star-Spangled Filk Song
In-Reply-To: <cc9pc5+f09u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cca80s+tr15@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
     - CMC


> And it's too bad that few ever know more than the first stanza of 
SSB ? 
> the second stanza has always been my favorite ? you may recall 
during 
> the War of 1812 - on the evening of Sept. 13 1814 to be exact - 
> Baltimore lawyer Francis Scott Key was briefly held in custody on 
a 
> British ship during their attack on Baltimore. All through the 
night, 
> Key remained uncertain as to the course of the battle (after all, 
the 
> Brits had just burned down our Executive Mansion and looted the 
> Capitol a few weeks before) ? but at sunrise he could see the 
> American flag still flying over Fort McHenry. He published the 
poem 
> in a local paper on Sept. 20.
> 
> On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
> Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
> What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
> As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
> Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
> In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
> 'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
> O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
> 
> Get all four verses here:
> 
> http://www.contemplator.com/america/ssbanner.html
> 
>     - CMC

I was given all four verses to copy out many times for punishment in 
grammar scholl, for which I am grateful.  I never fail to be deeply 
moved by our National Anthem.  Great Britain, the hyperpower of the 
nineteenth century, has continued to occupy U.S. soil in violation 
of the Treaty of Paris of 1783.  She kidnaps our sailors under the 
guns of the capital ships of the day: the ships of the line.  She 
has invaded our capital, eaten the State dinner laid out by the 
White House-Elves, and burnt down the White House.  She is attacking 
Fort McHenry with the state of the art missiles of the day:  
Congreve rockets.  How can we endure this?  The only indication 
Francis Scott Keyes has is the flag flying above the fort.  So long 
as it still remains flying, the British have failed in their 
mission.  All night the light and noise of the artillery and the 
Congreves keep everybody from sleeping.  Perhaps, despite the noise, 
some have dropped off for forty winks.  Will the Stars and Stripes--
15 of each-- still be visible after the all night barrage?

This is what comes to mind at the beginning of every baseball game.  
I am so lucky.

Happy Birthday to us, 
Happy Birthday to us, 
Happy Birthday, United States of America, 
Happy Birhtday to us.

Haggridd




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 04:14:32 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Star-Spangled Filk Song
In-Reply-To: <cca80s+tr15@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040705041432.37506.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>



Haggridd <jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
     - CMC


> And it's too bad that few ever know more than the first stanza of SSB ? the second stanza has always been my favorite ? you may recall during the War of 1812 - on the evening of Sept. 13 1814 to be exact - Baltimore lawyer Francis Scott Key was briefly held in custody on a  British ship during their attack on Baltimore. All through the night, Key remained uncertain as to the course of the battle (after all, the Brits had just burned down our Executive Mansion and looted the Capitol a few weeks before) ? but at sunrise he could see the 
> American flag still flying over Fort McHenry. He published the poem in a local paper on Sept. 20.
> 
> On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
> Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
> What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
> As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
> Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
> In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
> 'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
> O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
> 
> Get all four verses here:
> 
> http://www.contemplator.com/america/ssbanner.html
> 
>     - CMC

I was given all four verses to copy out many times for punishment in grammar scholl, for which I am grateful.  I never fail to be deeply moved by our National Anthem.  Great Britain, the hyperpower of the nineteenth century, has continued to occupy U.S. soil in violation of the Treaty of Paris of 1783.  She kidnaps our sailors under the guns of the capital ships of the day: the ships of the line.  She has invaded our capital, eaten the State dinner laid out by the White House-Elves, and burnt down the White House.  She is attacking Fort McHenry with the state of the art missiles of the day:  Congreve rockets.  How can we endure this?  The only indication Francis Scott Keyes has is the flag flying above the fort.  So long as it still remains flying, the British have failed in their mission.  All night the light and noise of the artillery and the Congreves keep everybody from sleeping.  Perhaps, despite the noise, some have dropped off for forty winks.  Will the Stars and Stripes--
15 of each-- still be visible after the all night barrage?

This is what comes to mind at the beginning of every baseball game.  
I am so lucky.

Happy Birthday to us, 
Happy Birthday to us, 
Happy Birthday, United States of America, 
Happy Birhtday to us.

Haggridd



I have had a family member in every war that this great country has been in beginning with the revolutionary war (including both sides of the war of northern aggression) up to now (I have a nephew that was just promoted to Lt Col and has been sent to the Pentagon!!!

Have a great 4th of July all and know that courage and fighting for what is right is what it is all about!!!

moonmyyst


		
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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul  5 04:23:43 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 04:23:43 -0000
Subject: The Star-Spangled Filk Song
In-Reply-To: <cca80s+tr15@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccal4f+m4s8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Haggridd"
<jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:

<< Will the Stars and Stripes--  15 of each-- still be visible after
the all night barrage? >>

One time at work someone brought up the Trivia Question "How many
stripes on the flag that The Star-Spangled Banner was written about?" 

Of course I knew that, at first, each new state joining the union got
a stripe as well as a star. (At some point I was told that the red
stripe across the bottom of our "California Republic" state flag and
the red star towards the top of it represented the star and stripe on
the US flag that the California rebels (from Mexico) hoped to quickly
become. But I don't know if new stripes were still being added by 1850).

But I couldn't out how to look up how many stripes there were in a
given year. Eventually the person who had posed the question said that
the answer was 17. 

Digresssion about trying to look things up at work, where my only
resource is as much of the Web as it not blocked by our censorware. I
use One-Look dictionary a lot, but sometimes the dictionary that has
the definition it finds for me is blocked as "Hobbies" or "Lifestyles
and Society". I mean, especially when I'm looking up railway terms,
which is kind of job related when I'm doing work for the Maintenance
of Way or Rail Fleet Services departments.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jul  5 08:48:47 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 08:48:47 -0000
Subject: The Star-Spangled Filk Song
In-Reply-To: <cca80s+tr15@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccb4lf+uo8v@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:

> Great Britain... eaten the State dinner laid out by the 
> White House-Elves, and burnt down the White House.  

And, alas, the USA, despite our best efforts, successfully 
maintained its Right to be Obese.

David, noting that today is the 50th anniversary of the return to 
America of a King...




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul  5 09:01:58 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:01:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Site Needed for Humorous Fic
In-Reply-To: <cc1495+ik9b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040705090158.75182.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



heiditandy <lists at heidi8.com> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon 
wrote:
> Hi Caius
> I can fully understand her not wanting to use Fiction Alley they 
seem to have no regard for JKR's wishes and are filling their site 
with slash and student teacher pairings.

Heidi answered

Do you really think that someone who praised Lolita, as a novel and 
a work of art, actually believes that discussion of 
intergenerational interpersonal relationships, or even "romance", 
believes that we are going against her wishes for allowing 
discussion of such things in narrative and "essay"/post form? 

>HUGE SNIP<

Heidi for FictionAlley



Now UdderPD Again

First I will appologise for not answering sooner, we have been away at a wedding.

Next I will sing the praises of Fiction Alley in that it hosts many of the best HP FFic stories around.

The problem with the site, as I see it, is sorting them out, JKR read Lolita Knowing what she was going to read and having decided, 'today I want to read somthing like Lolita'. Her choice!

It is all about choice. If your moderators spent more time ensuring the validity of story descriptions, I am sure that many of us would be a lot happier, we could find much that we wanted to read, when we want to read it.

I will apologise again for upsetting you but story is more important than punctuation.

TTFN  Udder Pen Dragon

Obselete Old Dingbat






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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 09:54:58 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 09:54:58 -0000
Subject: The Star-Spangled Filk Song
In-Reply-To: <ccb4lf+uo8v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccb8hi+7pe4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Haggridd wrote:
> 
> > Great Britain... eaten the State dinner laid out by the 
> > White House-Elves, and burnt down the White House.  
> 
> And, alas, the USA, despite our best efforts, successfully 
> maintained its Right to be Obese.
> 
> David, noting that today is the 50th anniversary of the return to 
> America of a King...


Tell that to Henry VIII and to Charles Laughton.

Is it B.B. King?  Martin Luther King?  Elvis Pressley? Balin of 
Moria, King Under the Mountain?  Aragorn son of Arathorn, the King 
Elessar?  Who?

Haggridd




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jul  5 10:49:15 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:49:15 -0000
Subject: America's King (was The Star-Spangled Filk Song)
In-Reply-To: <ccb8hi+7pe4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccbbnb+a614@eGroups.com>

Haggridd:

> Is it B.B. King?  Martin Luther King?  Elvis Pressley? Balin of 
> Moria, King Under the Mountain?  Aragorn son of Arathorn, the King 
> Elessar?  Who?

Elvis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3866067.stm

David




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  5 11:38:54 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:38:54 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
Message-ID: <ccbeke+nfc8@eGroups.com>

Thought I'd try and give you a laugh, or at least a smile.

The True Story of the Hungarian Tiger

As most of you will know, Hungary is a small country in Central
Europe, with a continental climate. There are some nice woods to go
a-hiking in, and if you're lucky, you might spot a deer, a wild boar
or a stag. 

You would not, however, expect to encounter a tiger.

The six-year-old who first saw the beast in the Mecsek hills was
rather taken aback, and after running home to Mummy, proceeded to draw
a picture of the animal she had met. It was, unmistakeably, a sketch
of a fully grown stripey tiger-tiger-burning-bright. Would you believe
your child in this situation? Well, this Mummy was fairly sceptical,
until someone else reported having found pawprints. Experts from the
national parks were called in to identify the pawprints. They were
rather bemused, since they distinctly remembered that their job
description said nothing about recognising tiger-prints. So the
zoo-people were called, and the pawmarks were finally identified as
indeed belonging to a tiger.

As this point in time we have a confirmed tiger roaming the woods on
the Mecsek hills, yet we have not yet got a tiger that is being
missed. Zoo-directors waddled over to the tiger-cages, had a count,
and found all their dear ones still there. Circuses did the same. The
possible solution is an illegally kept tiger, that has outgrown his
hospitaliy. The owner would of course not be stupid enough to own up
to having raised an illegal tiger, and is keeping quiet. 

Search parties set off to the Mecsek with weapons to shoot sleeping
injections into the beast. They find nothing. Slowly, they get bored.

A couple of days later, more pawmarks are found, and the search
intensifies. There is another problem, though: the tiger doesn't seem
to be eating anything - all the sheep in the district, for instance,
are still alive. It also doesn't seem to have any fur: or rather, it's
not leaving it clinging to bushes. People get suspicious of the
paw-marks, and examine them again. They are again confirmed to belong
to a tiger. 

The search party suddenly gives up and goes home to watch the Euro
2004. Shortly, the search is declared unsuccessful yet finished.
People living in the Mecsek are slightly uneasy about this, but are
already thinking of ways to attract tourists: the Hungarian Tiger,
they hope, is at least as good as the Loch Ness Monster. Better, even,
because it's doing it's job nicely: leaving enticing pawmarks yet not
gobbling up the villagers.

Strange world we live in.
Love, Alice




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Mon Jul  5 12:14:25 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:14:25 -0400
Subject: So, where's he from?
Message-ID: <032001c46289$9cc75fd0$e60b8f45@Voov>

I can't figure it out.  I mean Robby Coletrain's accent.  Is he from Northern England, or is he an American who's lived in Britain long enough to get a passable accent?  Does anybody know?  June 
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June

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From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Mon Jul  5 12:39:09 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:39:09 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] So, where's he from?
In-Reply-To: <032001c46289$9cc75fd0$e60b8f45@Voov>
References: <032001c46289$9cc75fd0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <40E94BED.7010104@colinogilvie.co.uk>

Firedancer wrote:

> I can't figure it out.  I mean Robby Coletrain's accent.  Is he from 
> Northern England, or is he an American who's lived in Britain long 
> enough to get a passable accent?  Does anybody know?  

Robbie Coltrane was born in Rutherglen, which is in Glasgow, Scotland. 
More information on him can be found at http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0001059/

-- 
Regards,
Colin





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jul  5 12:57:14 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:57:14 -0000
Subject: So, where's he from?
In-Reply-To: <032001c46289$9cc75fd0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <ccbj7a+ntcs@eGroups.com>

June wrote:

> I can't figure it out.  I mean Robby Coletrain's accent.  Is he 
from Northern England, or is he an American who's lived in Britain 
long enough to get a passable accent?  Does anybody know?  

Which accent?

IRL (e.g. in interviews) he has a Scottish accent, as he is Scottish.

In the Harry Potter movies, he has a West Country (i.e. 
Wiltshire/Dorset/Somerset) accent.  AFAIK, this is with JKR's 
agreement.

BTW, his name is Robbie Coltrane.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jul  5 13:05:17 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:05:17 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN?=
In-Reply-To: <cc9boq+k07q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccbjmd+jmju@eGroups.com>

boolie and dobs wrote:

> Help!
> 
> We can't get through the door, the sign is always there and we are 
very frustrated. We have 
> tried to clear  cache on our mac and have tried .org instead 
of .com etc.

Oh, bad luck!  The sign has now been *back* on the door for a few 
days. (See The Leaky Cauldron, www.the-leaky-cauldron.org )  Messing 
around with urls or your cache (called 'Temporary Internet Files' in 
Internet Explorer) won't help now.

I think the door was openable for less than a week, roughly from 
Monday to Friday.  While that may be plenty of time for deranged 
Potter obsessives, it does strike me as very short for normal 
people, who might be expected to pop over to the site once a month 
or so to check the Wizard of the Month.

David, who sometimes thinks he's the only person in cyberspace to 
understand 'ma?ana'




From spin01 at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 14:38:05 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 14:38:05 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN?=
In-Reply-To: <ccbjmd+jmju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccbp4d+6ee5@eGroups.com>

Davad doesn't that mean later?  don't remember much of my spanish but 
think I remembe rthat one.  I was lucky to be one who got into the 
door. I didn't actually the 9yr old son did.  He doesn'
t read the posts or anything but saw me playing with the bricks and 
when I gave up he said he was goign to work on it.  In the morning he 
said oh mom I got to the next place and the new book is called....
now the sign is back up and the handle barely jiggles.  so 
depressing. sigh.........   Wish we knew when it would be out.
sherry
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:

> 
> I think the door was openable for less than a week, roughly from 
> Monday to Friday.  While that may be plenty of time for deranged 
> Potter obsessives, it does strike me as very short for normal 
> people, who might be expected to pop over to the site once a month 
> or so to check the Wizard of the Month.
> 
> David, who sometimes thinks he's the only person in cyberspace to 
> understand 'ma?ana'




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Mon Jul  5 17:49:44 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:49:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: So, where's he from?
References: <ccbj7a+ntcs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c462b8$74f7fc10$e60b8f45@Voov>

David, hon', thanks for setting me strait about the accent, spelling and
such.  I owe you one, dear.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Mon Jul  5 17:51:38 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:51:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] So, where's he from?
References: <032001c46289$9cc75fd0$e60b8f45@Voov> <40E94BED.7010104@colinogilvie.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002401c462b8$b8b439a0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Collin, how thoughtless of me.  I should have thanked you, too, for the good
info you gave me.  Well, I'm thanking you now, dear.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  5 18:07:38 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:07:38 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN?=
In-Reply-To: <ccbjmd+jmju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccc5da+tu4j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> I think the door was openable for less than a week, roughly from 
> Monday to Friday.  While that may be plenty of time for deranged 
> Potter obsessives, it does strike me as very short for normal 
> people, who might be expected to pop over to the site once a month 
> or so to check the Wizard of the Month.

I agree that the door was open for a short period of time, although, 
to be fair, by the time it closed the information behind it was ALL 
over the internet...

Still, I take it as a VERY GOOD SIGN that stuff is happening on the 
site! JKR says somewhere on there (in the news, I think) that if 
updates are slow, she is hard at work on the book. So, if the title 
has been announced and updates are frequent, maybe that means she is 
done...

Sophia




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 18:46:58 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:46:58 -0000
Subject: Need help, regarding HP merchandise
In-Reply-To: <cc8vk5+c49n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccc7n2+gij8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "judy_magic333" 
<judy_magic333 at y...> wrote:
Are there any stores 
> in Glasgow, or can you recommend any good websites that operate in 
> the UK?

Hm.  I don't know about stores, but I've seen a lot of web sites over 
the years.  Since many are offbeat, not just the WB HP store, you 
might try a Google search.  There are shirts on some sites for 
Gryffindor and Slytherin, but Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are harder to 
find.  There is one badly made Prefect shirt on CafePress.  
Alivans.com has ties, brooms, etc.  Patchpalace.com has the most 
amazing patches.  There are more, including costume/accessory sites.  
Go do a search for Harry Potter stuff... good luck!

--A.J. who had to make her original costumes from scratch, and thinks 
now everyone has it easy >;)




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul  5 19:17:51 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:17:51 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <ccbeke+nfc8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccc9gv+5lep@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats"
<hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:

<< The six-year-old who first saw the beast in the Mecsek hills was
rather taken aback, and after running home to Mummy, proceeded to draw
a picture of the animal she had met. It was, unmistakeably, a sketch
of a fully grown stripey tiger-tiger-burning-bright. >>

<< A couple of days later, more pawmarks are found, and the search
intensifies. There is another problem, though: the tiger doesn't seem
to be eating anything - all the sheep in the district, for instance,
are still alive. It also doesn't seem to have any fur: or rather, it's
not leaving it clinging to bushes. People get suspicious of the
paw-marks, and examine them again. They are again confirmed to belong
to a tiger. >>

The website list of msgs showed this sequence: 
23035 The Hungarian Tiger 
23026 So, where's he from?

So, suggestions of where The Hungarian Tiger is from:
1) A new Animagus. Then we would have new information about Animagi,
that they don't shed.
2) An illegal pet tiger that is being walked on a leash rather than
having escaped. Then where are the footprints of the person walking
it, and how does he keep it from leaving fur behind?
3) A hoaxter making pawprints from casts of real tiger pawprints from
India. How does he conceal his own footprints near the fakes? How did
he get the six-year-old to see a tiger? If he bribed the six-year-old
to lie, wouldn't she have told her mother when all the fuss happened?




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 19:29:06 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:29:06 -0000
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cbqlm0+fkj7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccca62+bgfp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" <spin01 at a...>
> wrote:
> > ok found the site,  the door and the bricks.  wire hanger that is 
> > sort of spitting electrical sparks.  and some bricks that sort of 
> > roar at you but have no idea what the patter is.  help.   
> > sherry
> 
> It's been posted already, but I'll try a different wording, in case
> you like it better:
> 
> First, find all five bricks by clicking around. Note where they are,
> because they disappear when you click all five in the wrong order.
> 
> Now, click in the correct order:
> The middle brick,
> the next brick below the middle one,
> the next brick above the middle one,
> the very lowest brick,
> the very highest brick.
> 
> Hope that helps. And this way, at least you get to locate all the
> bricks yourself! (assuaging conscience due to spoiling, hehe).
> 
> Annemehr

Carol:
Rather than randomly clicking and forgetting which patterns I'd
already tried, I wrote down and crossed out possible combinations,
operating on the (correct) theory that it was unlikely to be a 12345
or 54321 sequence but would start somewhere in the middle with a 3 or
4 and include no two sequential numbers. It took me about half an
hour, but I got in! (Then, of course, I had to do a little more
clicking to find a certain object. . . .)

Carol, who wonders how adults can get so caught up in this sort of
thing . . .




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 19:38:59 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:38:59 -0000
Subject: Fan persistence (was JKR's site)
In-Reply-To: <022b01c45dde$cfeaa200$c2e4f943@hppav>
Message-ID: <cccaoj+blk8@eGroups.com>

Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open the door?  When I first go
> into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit out and go back in
and the sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and nothing
happens.  I back out and go back again and still nothing.  Can someone
help me??
moonmyyst
> 
> 
> Just click on the handle and it'll open up.  There are clickable
bricks, click them in a certain order and the wall will disappear,
click the fan on the desk and some papers blow around eventually
loading the title page. Hope that helps !
> 
> Kimberly


I know this is all water under the bridge now since the door is closed
again, but since Kimberly has mentioned the fan I guess it's okay to
ask: Does anyone think there's a fan/fan pun intended here? You know,
the blowing fan and fans like us?

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 20:31:51 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:31:51 -0000
Subject: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <20040629225035.2678.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cccdrn+fm2p@eGroups.com>

kemper mentor wrote:
> Your thoughts on Mark Evans got me thinking on blood ties with Lily
and Petunia.  This got me thinking to something Petunia said, and I'm
probably paraphasing, "Our parents were so proud to have a witch in
the family."  
>  
> It seems to be assumed that the Evans weren't witch and wizard.  But
that doesn't mean they were muggles.  What if they were squibs?  
> That would explain: Petunia's apparent familiarity with the
wizarding world by knowing that dementors run (ran) Azkaban, what
horrible creatures they are, and by fearing Voldemort's return. 
> Taking this theory further... Lily felt rejected by the wizarding
world and thus she, at some point, rejected them by going into the
muggle world.  A world that, she would perceive, would accept her for
not having magical abilities.  
> I forget who, but some character explained Mr. Filch's vileness to
the students was due to them being witches and wizards.  He's abusive
to young witches and wizards.  Petunia is abusive as well, though more
emotionally and neglectfully, but we see a trace of possible physical
abuse in CoS when she nearly hits Harry in the head with a frying pan.
>  
> So... going back to Mark Evans.  Squibs aren't thought of enough by
the Ministry of Magic to register where they live as we've seen with
Mrs. Figg. (On an aside: Who and Where is Mr. Figg.  Could Mrs. Figg's
maiden name be Evans)  Maybe there are other Evans' who are squibs who
also felt rejected by the wizarding world and who embrace the muggle
life.  Maybe Mark is like his nth cousin, n-times removed, Lily.  


Carol:
I've posted this theory several times to the main site. I think Lily's
parents are Muggles but her Grandpa Evans was a Squib passing as a
Muggle. That would allow Lily to be a true Muggleborn but would allow
her parents (her father, especially) to have enough acquaintance with
the WW to be proud of having a witch in the family

According to my theory, Lily's grandfather (who is, of course, Harry's
great-grandfather) is Mark Evans' great-grandfather, making him and
Harry second cousins. Although Mark's name would have been written
down by the magical quill when he was born and he'll show up at
Hogwarts next year, Dumbledore doesn't yet know about him because that
branch of the Evans family have been Muggles for several generations.  

Age ten? Evans? It can't be a coincidence. He has to be a prospective
Hogwarts student somehow related to Harry and having a shared Squib
relative (himself the child of a witch and a wizard) in the family not
many generations back ties up all the loose ends for me.

Carol





From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Jul  5 21:15:49 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:15:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Site Needed for Humorous Fic
In-Reply-To: <20040705090158.75182.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <cc1495+ik9b@eGroups.com>
    <20040705090158.75182.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1072.4.12.232.31.1089062149.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

udder_pen_dragon said:

> Next I will sing the praises of Fiction Alley in that it hosts many of the
> best HP FFic stories around.

If this is the case, then you shouldn't really be complaining.  Folks into
HP fanfic know there's a *shitload* of badfic out there.  I wish there was
a better categorization of good, moderate, bearable, and godawful fanfics.


> It is all about choice.

Your words.  Also, there's the choice to stop reading what you're not
interested in.

I guess you're one who'd advocate warnings/spoilers about Sirius dying in
OOTP then?  Some folks may not be into reading deathfics [about Sirius]. 
Not to forget other character deaths too.  Shame on JKR for not warning
readers there was going to be a sacrificial graveyard murder in GOF. 
Shame on JKR and her distributors for not making that public knowledge in
the synop/blurb!

I enjoy the magical aspects of wonderment and a bit of mystery.  If I'm
feeling depressed, I don't want to end up reading a book that isn't mostly
hopeful by the end.


> If your moderators spent more time ensuring the
> validity of story descriptions, I am sure that many of us would be a lot
> happier, we could find much that we wanted to read, when we want to read
> it.

What makes it worse... folks *pay* to read JKR's books and they don't
provide sufficient story descriptions.  Damn her and her lack of warnings!
{chuckle}

Dina


-- 
Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/
 ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic
LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS
My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 21:28:59 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
Message-ID: <20040705212859.1523.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>


5July04

Carol wrote:




"...According to my theory, Lily's grandfather (who is, of course, Harry's great-grandfather) is Mark Evans' great-grandfather, making him and Harry second cousins..."

Paula now:

Good going Carol.  So, according to your theory, Dudley, as Petunia's (Lily'sister) son has the same geneology, ie wizarding/squib ancestory.  Could it be that Dudley has always been such a nasty character bacause he resents being a squib seeing Harry do magic all his life?

~Paula Gaon





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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jul  6 00:57:41 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:57:41 +1000
Subject: Sharing a URL
In-Reply-To: <cccs6g+7qjl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40EA85A5.18225.8F2752@localhost>

I was having a discussion with someone the other day online and 
they asked me why I was so interested in certain aspects of 
Hogwarts (I'm actually writing a megapost on it for the main list 
at the moment). I told them that it was because I went to a school 
that I feel was a lot like Hogwarts in many ways. They asked me to 
justify that statement.

So I put together a little webpage at 
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/schooldays.html to do so, and 
as I quite often talk about my schooling, I thought I'd share it 
here. I may well have directed people to some of the things that 
are on that page before - I've had most of them online a while, 
it's just this is the first time I've drawn them into one place.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Tue Jul  6 01:58:41 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 01:58:41 -0000
Subject: Sharing a URL
In-Reply-To: <40EA85A5.18225.8F2752@localhost>
Message-ID: <ccd10h+frjs@eGroups.com>

> Shaun:
> I was having a discussion with someone the other day online and 
> they asked me why I was so interested in certain aspects of 
> Hogwarts (I'm actually writing a megapost on it for the main list 
> at the moment). I told them that it was because I went to a school 
> that I feel was a lot like Hogwarts in many ways. They asked me to 
> justify that statement.
> 
> So I put together a little webpage at 
> http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/schooldays.html to do so.

If the first picture is you as a student at the school, I do believe 
you are Neville Longbottom (i.e., Matthew Lewis). You're even wearing 
(almost) Gryffindor colors. Very cool school--an interesting blend of 
ancient and modern. 

I think we Americans miss out by not having access to more boarding 
schools in the primary and secondary grades; we tend to wait until we 
go away to college for the same experiences, and I think that is too 
late to acquire some of the polishing that children receive in such 
schools.

MsTattersall





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jul  6 02:12:49 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:12:49 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sharing a URL
In-Reply-To: <ccd10h+frjs@eGroups.com>
References: <40EA85A5.18225.8F2752@localhost>
Message-ID: <40EA9741.20690.D3F355@localhost>

On 6 Jul 2004 at 1:58, MsTattersall wrote:

> If the first picture is you as a student at the school, I do believe 
> you are Neville Longbottom (i.e., Matthew Lewis). You're even wearing 
> (almost) Gryffindor colors. Very cool school--an interesting blend of 
> ancient and modern. 

Yes, that's me in the picture though I didn't normally look like 
that - or rather, I did, it's just that I wore glasses all the time 
- they nearly always made me take them off when a photograph was 
taken much to my annoyance.
 
> I think we Americans miss out by not having access to more boarding 
> schools in the primary and secondary grades; we tend to wait until we 
> go away to college for the same experiences, and I think that is too 
> late to acquire some of the polishing that children receive in such 
> schools.

There's advantages and disadvantages to it - and, really, only a 
fairly small proportion of children get the opportunity in any 
country.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From mcdee1980 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 03:14:05 2004
From: mcdee1980 at yahoo.com (mcdee1980)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 03:14:05 -0000
Subject: Freezing
Message-ID: <ccd5dt+opdl@eGroups.com>

JKR's site keeps freezing whenever I try to access the FAQ, so I was 
wondering if she's answered the Fan Poll question yet?

Lady McBeth




From servinashadows at aol.com  Tue Jul  6 04:30:10 2004
From: servinashadows at aol.com (servinashadows at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:30:10 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1561
Message-ID: <c0.10c3e468.2e1b84d2@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2004 3:09:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
The old code still 
works too (you get a check mark if you've already been given your 
scrapbook page for it). 
What code?  

Okay, I admit it, I'm totally confused.

Lynda


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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 08:06:13 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:06:13 -0000
Subject: potter critics
Message-ID: <ccdmhl+b4rp@eGroups.com>

Being a big Potter fan myself, I am of course biased, but 95% of the 
time, whenever I read a Potter-rant I always get the impression that 
the writer has no clue what s/he's talking about and in general 
doesn't "get" the WW, and occasionally, doesn't get a few other 
things besides. Is that too generic a statement? Does anyone feel the 
same?

Sophia




From patnkatng at cox.net  Tue Jul  6 11:26:49 2004
From: patnkatng at cox.net (Katrina)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:26:49 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore's Inbox
Message-ID: <cce29p+b93b@eGroups.com>

Found this Fanfic link through www.potterskeys.com and had to run 
over here and share it.  

This isn't new, but it's new to me.  Some of you may not have read 
it.  You have to suspend Canon for a bit and imagine that the 
faculty of Hogwarts has a magical equivalent to email.  It's pretty 
funny.  Pay close attention to the 'magi-mail' addresses, too.

Here's the link: http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?
storyid=815796&chapter=1 

Alternately, try http://tinyurl.com/3cvyg

And an excerpt (Top 10 Things NOT to Say to Snape):

From: Madame Hooch <hoochie at hogwarts.edu>

To: Prof. Albus Dumbledore <bumblebee at hogwarts.edu>, Professor Snape 
<slytherinrules at hogwarts.edu>, Professor McGonagall 
<minnybaby at hogwarts.edu>, Professor Sprout 
<greenfingers at hogwarts.edu>, Professor Flitwick 
<filiuscharms at hogwarts.edu>, Professor Sinistra 
<sinnyforministerofmagic at hogwarts.edu>, Professor Vector 
<viktorrulesquidditch at hogwarts.edu>, Hagrid <skrewt at hogwarts.edu>, 
Madame Pomfrey <hellonurse at hogwarts.edu>, Professor Lupin 
<potionplease at hogwarts.edu>, Professor Moody <mad-eye at hogwarts.edu>, 
Professor Trelawney <clairvoyant at hogwarts.edu>, Madame Pince 
<bookworm at hogwarts.edu>, Dobby <multicolouredsocks at hogwarts.edu>

Subject: Top ten things you should never say to Sev-kins

You asked for it Severus.

10. Hey Professor! Great job on saving Harry Potter's life!

9. How exactly do you bottle fame?

8. Wasn't it a surprise about Sirius Black? He was such a sweet boy.

7. Remember you owe your life to James Potter.

6. I really think that Professor Lupin is a wonderful Defence 
Against the Dark Arts teacher. No one could do better than him!

5. Brighten up a little, Severus. There's more to life than potions 
and being miserable (thanks Remus).

4. Would you like a hug?

3. I don't think you're brave enough to give me a *proper* detention

2. I was wondering if you could give Neville Longbottom extra 
tuition.

1. Aw, Sevvie-kins looks upset. Yes you do! Does Sevvie-wevvie want 
to tell Auntie Hoochie what the matter is?

Hoochie.







From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 11:31:53 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:31:53 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <ccc9gv+5lep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cce2j9+gs7o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> So, suggestions of where The Hungarian Tiger is from:
> 1) A new Animagus. Then we would have new information about Animagi,
> that they don't shed.
> 2) An illegal pet tiger that is being walked on a leash rather than
> having escaped. Then where are the footprints of the person walking
> it, and how does he keep it from leaving fur behind?
> 3) A hoaxter making pawprints from casts of real tiger pawprints 
from
> India. How does he conceal his own footprints near the fakes? How 
did
> he get the six-year-old to see a tiger? If he bribed the six-year-
old
> to lie, wouldn't she have told her mother when all the fuss 
happened?

Alice: 
I think the Animagus theory is very pleasing. I should tell the 
Tourist Board... (I wonder if the tiger and the Hungarian Horntail 
have made each other's acquaintance yet?) :)

But who could he/she be?
Oh, it's easy. It's got to Mark Evans. EVERYTHING comes down to Mark 
Evans. He is my favourite mystery... I will be severely disappointed 
if he's a red herring (instead of a tiger)... I await JKR's answer to 
the Poll Question - something like: yes, he is significant, but I 
can't tell you anything more yet! 
Dreaming on,
Alice




From julie_balfour at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 11:47:56 2004
From: julie_balfour at hotmail.com (Boolean)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:47:56 -0000
Subject: The Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <cc1s32+ng5e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cce3hc+q13a@eGroups.com>

Ali wrote:

> > What would any child of Ron and Hermione be? a Half Blood. 
Q.E.D: 
> > Hermione will have Ron's son in the next book, and he will be a 
> Half 
> > Blood "Prince".

Heidi replied:

> If it's that, then JKR will be writing something she'd said she 
> wouldn't write. In 2000, at http://www.the-leaky-
> cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/0700-jones-newsweek.html 
JKR 
> said "I feel it would be inappropriate-in these books -were 
Hermione 
> to have an underage pregnancy or if one of them were to start 
taking 
> drugs, because it's unfaithful to the tone of the books. It's not 
at 
> all that I don't think those themes can be explored superbly in 
> children's literature."

Ah, but Hermione and Ron wouldn't be underage - 16 is the age of 
consent in the UK... 

I love this theory Ali! *winks*




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 12:22:55 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:22:55 -0000
Subject: it's not/it isn't
Message-ID: <cce5iv+7044@eGroups.com>

Here's a question for all you native English-speakers. I've long 
wanted to know the answer to this question, but it only recently 
occurred to me to try my luck on this list:

Is there any difference in tone and or usage between saying "it's 
not" and "it isn't"?

Sophia




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 13:21:09 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: it's not/it isn't
Message-ID: <20040706132109.10204.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>


6July04

Sophie wrote:


Here's a question for all you native English-speakers. I've long wanted to know the answer to this question, but it only recently occurred to me to try my luck on this list:

Is there any difference in tone and or usage between saying "it's
not" and "it isn't"?

Paula now:

Good question!  I've taught English as a foreign language for a few years, and still really wonder the same thing myself.  The two expressions are always presented in the grammar books as simply alternate ways of saying the same thing.  However, as a native speaker, have always gotten the feeling that "It's not." is much more forceful than "It isn't."  For example, from childhood always remembered kids on the playground yelling, "It's not, either!"  But the teacher would say, "It isn't correct, polite, etc."

You know, now that I think of it, this is probably one of those things discussed in a  linguistics PhD thesis somewhere...

~Paula Gaon

 




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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Jul  6 14:55:47 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:55:47 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <cce2j9+gs7o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cceehj+7vdg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats" 
<hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:
> Oh, it's easy. It's got to Mark Evans. EVERYTHING comes down to 
Mark 
> Evans. He is my favourite mystery... I will be severely 
disappointed 
> if he's a red herring (instead of a tiger)... I await JKR's answer 
to 
> the Poll Question - something like: yes, he is significant, but I 
> can't tell you anything more yet! 
> Dreaming on,
> Alice



Oh Alice, Heidi just spotted the FAQ answer has gone up on the 
site..not good news, I'm afraid. Will leave you to read it for 
yourself.....

Carolyn
Who is also booking tickets for Bolivia..





From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 15:17:12 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:17:12 -0000
Subject: Mark Evans revealed
Message-ID: <ccefpo+1dal@eGroups.com>

IN case someone has not visited Leaky within the last couple of hours-
-the news is out: JKR has updated the FAQ poll on her site and has 
now told us the truth about Mark Evans. So hurry on over and check it 
out!

Sophia






From olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr  Tue Jul  6 16:25:55 2004
From: olivierfouquet2000 at yahoo.fr (olivierfouquet2000)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:25:55 -0000
Subject: it's not/it isn't
In-Reply-To: <20040706132109.10204.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccejqj+msbg@eGroups.com>

> Sophie wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a question for all you native English-speakers. I've long 
wanted to know the answer to this question, but it only recently 
occurred to me to try my luck on this list:
> 
> Is there any difference in tone and or usage between saying "it's
> not" and "it isn't"?
> 
> Paula now:
> 
> You know, now that I think of it, this is probably one of those 
things discussed in a  linguistics PhD thesis somewhere...
> 

Olivier now:

And right you are Paula to think so. This has been indeed discussed 
by Steven Pinker and more extensively by at least another linguist I 
can't remember the name right now. However, the distinction does not 
have anything to do with tone and usage but rather with the syntax of 
the auxiliary in English, usage is treated as an entirely 
conventional things in these works. The same studies show why you can 
say "I'm french" but not "Are you french? Yes, I'm" even though the 
meaning would be perfectly clear.

Olivier




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Jul  6 16:48:58 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:48:58 -0000
Subject: it's not/it isn't
In-Reply-To: <cce5iv+7044@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccel5q+dhb7@eGroups.com>

 > Sophia wrote:
> Here's a question for all you native English-speakers. I've long 
> wanted to know the answer to this question, but it only recently 
> occurred to me to try my luck on this list:
> 
> Is there any difference in tone and or usage between saying "it's 
> not" and "it isn't"?
> 

I think it's the tone, really. 'It's not' is usually more emphatic. 
Both are a contraction of the same phrase - It is not - but the 
emphasis in 'It's not' is firmly on the 'not'.

'No, it isn't raining,' has an undertone of 'I've just looked out 
the window'. 

'No, it's not raining,' has an undertone of 'I've just looked out of 
the window AGAIN'. Or, alternatively, 'it's been raining all day and 
now it's not raining. Wow.'

Pip



 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jul  6 17:06:00 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:06:00 -0000
Subject: Sharing a URL
In-Reply-To: <40EA9741.20690.D3F355@localhost>
Message-ID: <ccem5o+8e5u@eGroups.com>

MsTattersall:
> > I think we Americans miss out by not having access to more 
boarding 
> > schools in the primary and secondary grades; we tend to wait 
until we 
> > go away to college for the same experiences, and I think that is 
too 
> > late to acquire some of the polishing that children receive in 
such 
> > schools.

Shaun:
> 
> There's advantages and disadvantages to it - and, really, only a 
> fairly small proportion of children get the opportunity in any 
> country.

And of those, I imagine only a tiny minority have any say in the 
matter.  For parents collectively, it may be an opportunity; for 
children individually, they go because they have to, or don't 
because they can't.

David




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 17:51:12 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:51:12 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <cceehj+7vdg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cceoqg+sdt9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "a_reader2003"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats" 
> <hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:
> > Oh, it's easy. It's got to Mark Evans. EVERYTHING comes down to 
> Mark 
> > Evans. He is my favourite mystery... I will be severely 
> disappointed 
> > if he's a red herring (instead of a tiger)... I await JKR's answer 
> to 
> > the Poll Question - something like: yes, he is significant, but I 
> > can't tell you anything more yet! 
> > Dreaming on,
> > Alice
> 
> 
> 
> Oh Alice, Heidi just spotted the FAQ answer has gone up on the 
> site..not good news, I'm afraid. Will leave you to read it for 
> yourself.....
> 
> Carolyn
> Who is also booking tickets for Bolivia..


WAHWAHWAHWAHWAH!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe this has happened... 
She is NOT getting away with this? Bolivia? To Bolivia I go! AAAAAAAAH!

The only excuse I found pleasing, by the way, was when she said

(SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER)

that Brown, Thomas etc would have got her into trouble too - very
true... there's really NOTHING we cannot think a theory (or two, or a
hundred) into.
But EVANS?

I. Mean. EVANS???

Come. On.

Is she off her rocker??? Pur-lease. 
WAHWAHWAH!

Tantrum over (for now)
Alice

Security PS: I love JK Rowling, I do. But there is no such thing as a
perfect relationship (not with me in it, anyway)... ah... I'll get
over it. WAHWAH. 




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 17:56:12 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:56:12 -0000
Subject: Mark Evans again WAS Re: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <cceoqg+sdt9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccep3s+j115@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats"
<hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "a_reader2003"
> <carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats" 
> > <hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:
> > > Oh, it's easy. It's got to Mark Evans. EVERYTHING comes down to 
> > Mark 
> > > Evans. He is my favourite mystery... I will be severely 
> > disappointed 
> > > if he's a red herring (instead of a tiger)... I await JKR's answer 
> > to 
> > > the Poll Question - something like: yes, he is significant, but I 
> > > can't tell you anything more yet! 
> > > Dreaming on,
> > > Alice
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Oh Alice, Heidi just spotted the FAQ answer has gone up on the 
> > site..not good news, I'm afraid. Will leave you to read it for 
> > yourself.....
> > 
> > Carolyn
> > Who is also booking tickets for Bolivia..
> 
> 
> WAHWAHWAHWAHWAH!!!!!!!!
> I cannot believe this has happened... 
> She is NOT getting away with this? Bolivia? To Bolivia I go! AAAAAAAAH!
> 
> The only excuse I found pleasing, by the way, was when she said
> 
> (SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER)
> 
> that Brown, Thomas etc would have got her into trouble too - very
> true... there's really NOTHING we cannot think a theory (or two, or a
> hundred) into.
> But EVANS?
> 
> I. Mean. EVANS???
> 
> Come. On.
> 
> Is she off her rocker??? Pur-lease. 
> WAHWAHWAH!
> 
> Tantrum over (for now)
> Alice
> 
> Security PS: I love JK Rowling, I do. But there is no such thing as a
> perfect relationship (not with me in it, anyway)... ah... I'll get
> over it. WAHWAH.


Oh yeah, just had another thought: Fanfic writers out there! YOU know
that Mark is entering Hogwarts in 1996, right? Please humour me. :)

Can anyone actually point me to a Mark Evans fic? 
You know, for sad people in denial... :)

Love, Alice




From patnkatng at cox.net  Tue Jul  6 18:51:36 2004
From: patnkatng at cox.net (Katrina)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:51:36 -0000
Subject: it's not/it isn't
In-Reply-To: <ccel5q+dhb7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccesbo+o2co@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
>  > Sophia wrote:
> > Here's a question for all you native English-speakers. I've long 
> > wanted to know the answer to this question, but it only recently 
> > occurred to me to try my luck on this list:
> > 
> > Is there any difference in tone and or usage between 
saying "it's 
> > not" and "it isn't"?

I would say (not being a linguist, but a native speaker) that "It's 
not" places emphasis on the word, "not."  Whereas, "It isn't" (to 
me) implies emphasis on the topic.

An example that was used was the difference between "It isn't 
raining" and "It's not raining."  The second sounds more emphatic or 
even argumentative.  

Does it make sense if I say that the contraction softens the 
emphasis?  

OK, to me, emphasis on the negative would increase in somewhat this 
manner.

"It isn't raining."
"It's not raining."
"It is not raining."
"It is NOT raining!"
It. Is. Not. Raining.

(OK, so maybe the last one isn't really grammatically correct, but 
you get the idea, anyway."

Katrina, who really needs to put down the keyboard and back away 
slowly. . .




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Jul  6 19:29:25 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:29:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dumbledore's Inbox
In-Reply-To: <cce29p+b93b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEODDAAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: Katrina
| Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 07:27
<Snip>
| 4. Would you like a hug?
|
<Snip>
| 1. Aw, Sevvie-kins looks upset. Yes you do! Does Sevvie-wevvie want
| to tell Auntie Hoochie what the matter is?
|
| Hoochie.

[Lee]:
Priceless!!  This gets saved...for sure! <ROTFL!!!>

Lee :-)
(Choking on her coffee)

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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 19:34:07 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:34:07 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <cceoqg+sdt9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cceurf+tiff@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats"
<hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:

> WAHWAHWAHWAHWAH!!!!!!!!
> I cannot believe this has happened... 
> She is NOT getting away with this? Bolivia? To Bolivia I go! AAAAAAAAH!
<snip rest of, as she calls it, her tantrum>
> Tantrum over (for now)
> Alice
> 
> Security PS: I love JK Rowling, I do. But there is no such thing as a
> perfect relationship (not with me in it, anyway)... ah... I'll get
> over it. WAHWAH.

Aw, poor Alice!

What Jo wrote in answer to the Mark Evans question more than made up
for the accidental surname. I will *never* be able to read that
chapter again without grinning. Oops, I'm not supposed to be grinning
then, am I? But that was *so* worth it!

I bet I know what happened -- she named Mark Evans the day her
pregnancy made her lose a couple of key brain cells. Trust me.

Annemehr
shy a few brain cells herself;
off to download that FAQ answer before it disappears;
and whose good mood is also partly due to the arrival today of her UK
editions






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 20:29:35 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <cccdrn+fm2p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040706202935.88538.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>

Carol,
Did you read the answer to the FAQ at JKR's site?  All I can say is 'Boo...'
Kemper

justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
kemper mentor wrote:
> Your thoughts on Mark Evans got me thinking on blood ties with Lily
and Petunia.  This got me thinking to something Petunia said, and I'm
probably paraphasing, "Our parents were so proud to have a witch in
the family."  
>  
> It seems to be assumed that the Evans weren't witch and wizard.  But
that doesn't mean they were muggles.  What if they were squibs?  
> That would explain: Petunia's apparent familiarity with the
wizarding world by knowing that dementors run (ran) Azkaban, what
horrible creatures they are, and by fearing Voldemort's return. 
> Taking this theory further... Lily felt rejected by the wizarding
world and thus she, at some point, rejected them by going into the
muggle world.  A world that, she would perceive, would accept her for
not having magical abilities.  
> I forget who, but some character explained Mr. Filch's vileness to
the students was due to them being witches and wizards.  He's abusive
to young witches and wizards.  Petunia is abusive as well, though more
emotionally and neglectfully, but we see a trace of possible physical
abuse in CoS when she nearly hits Harry in the head with a frying pan.
>  
> So... going back to Mark Evans.  Squibs aren't thought of enough by
the Ministry of Magic to register where they live as we've seen with
Mrs. Figg. (On an aside: Who and Where is Mr. Figg.  Could Mrs. Figg's
maiden name be Evans)  Maybe there are other Evans' who are squibs who
also felt rejected by the wizarding world and who embrace the muggle
life.  Maybe Mark is like his nth cousin, n-times removed, Lily.  


Carol:
I've posted this theory several times to the main site. I think Lily's
parents are Muggles but her Grandpa Evans was a Squib passing as a
Muggle. That would allow Lily to be a true Muggleborn but would allow
her parents (her father, especially) to have enough acquaintance with
the WW to be proud of having a witch in the family

According to my theory, Lily's grandfather (who is, of course, Harry's
great-grandfather) is Mark Evans' great-grandfather, making him and
Harry second cousins. Although Mark's name would have been written
down by the magical quill when he was born and he'll show up at
Hogwarts next year, Dumbledore doesn't yet know about him because that
branch of the Evans family have been Muggles for several generations.  

Age ten? Evans? It can't be a coincidence. He has to be a prospective
Hogwarts student somehow related to Harry and having a shared Squib
relative (himself the child of a witch and a wizard) in the family not
many generations back ties up all the loose ends for me.

Carol




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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Jul  6 20:41:30 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <cceurf+tiff@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccf2pq+gtat@eGroups.com>

Annemehr wrote:
> What Jo wrote in answer to the Mark Evans question more than made 
> up for the accidental surname. I will *never* be able to read that
> chapter again without grinning. Oops, I'm not supposed to be 
> grinning then, am I? But that was *so* worth it!

It was funny, wasn't it? 
> 
> I bet I know what happened -- she named Mark Evans the day her
> pregnancy made her lose a couple of key brain cells. Trust me.
> 

Naah, I reckon it was her subconcious playing a trick. 'I need an 
ten year old kid for Dudley to bully, just like he used to bully 
little Harry in Book One.'

And the name 'Evans' floats up ... together with 'Mark'. Not that 
Harry's *marked*, or anything. [grin]

Hope her family enjoys Bolivia.  ;-)

Pip




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 21:20:00 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:00 -0000
Subject: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <ccf2pq+gtat@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccf520+nvc7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> Annemehr wrote:
> > What Jo wrote in answer to the Mark Evans question more than 
made up for the accidental surname. I will *never* be able to read 
that chapter again without grinning. Oops, I'm not supposed to be  > 
grinning then, am I? But that was *so* worth it!
> 
It was funny, wasn't it? 
> > 
> > I bet I know what happened -- she named Mark Evans the day her
> > pregnancy made her lose a couple of key brain cells. Trust me.
> >> 
> Naah, I reckon it was her subconcious playing a trick. 'I need an 
> ten year old kid for Dudley to bully, just like he used to bully 
> little Harry in Book One.'
> 
> And the name 'Evans' floats up ... together with 'Mark'. Not that 
> Harry's *marked*, or anything. [grin]
> 
> Hope her family enjoys Bolivia.  ;-)
> 
> Pip

*****\(@@)/*****

I for one am chuckling at the image of the whole family in fake 
beards and mustaches boarding a plane.......Jo Rocks!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 22:29:59 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:29:59 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore's Inbox
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEODDAAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <ccf957+jlsa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> | From: Katrina
> | Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 07:27
> <Snip>
> | 4. Would you like a hug?
> |
> <Snip>
> | 1. Aw, Sevvie-kins looks upset. Yes you do! Does Sevvie-wevvie want
> | to tell Auntie Hoochie what the matter is?
> |
> | Hoochie.
> 
> [Lee]:
> Priceless!!  This gets saved...for sure! <ROTFL!!!>
> 
> Lee :-)
> (Choking on her coffee)


I read that fic a couple of weeks ago and it really is brill!
My favourtie bit is when students want to change their e-mail adresses
from the standard 
<name>@hogwarts.edu
to various other things...
Hermione's choice is

youcannotapparateordisapparte at hogwarts.edu

I LOVED that one. And Blaise Zabini's:

iamaboy at hogwarts.edu

Haahaa!!
(By the way, I am writing this from memory, so there may be minor
differences... but you get the point.)

Love, Alice




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 22:38:26 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:38:26 -0000
Subject: Marky Mark WAS Re: The Hungarian Tiger
In-Reply-To: <ccf520+nvc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccf9l2+ne35@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000"
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
> wrote:
> > Annemehr wrote:
> > > What Jo wrote in answer to the Mark Evans question more than 
> made up for the accidental surname. I will *never* be able to read 
> that chapter again without grinning. Oops, I'm not supposed to be  > 
> grinning then, am I? But that was *so* worth it!
> > 
> It was funny, wasn't it? 
> > > 
> > > I bet I know what happened -- she named Mark Evans the day her
> > > pregnancy made her lose a couple of key brain cells. Trust me.
> > >> 
> > Naah, I reckon it was her subconcious playing a trick. 'I need an 
> > ten year old kid for Dudley to bully, just like he used to bully 
> > little Harry in Book One.'
> > 
> > And the name 'Evans' floats up ... together with 'Mark'. Not that 
> > Harry's *marked*, or anything. [grin]
> > 
> > Hope her family enjoys Bolivia.  ;-)
> > 
> > Pip
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> I for one am chuckling at the image of the whole family in fake 
> beards and mustaches boarding a plane.......Jo Rocks!
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****


Alice:
I'm still in love with our dear Mark (in a motherly way...:) ), but I
am beginning to see the utter hilarity of the situation JKR finds
herself in: I mean, it's as if we were TERRORISING her... Just think,
if you make a mistake at work, who notices? If it's a bad day, your
boss might. But JKR makes a mistake (well, a sort-of mistake... let's
say an event of unintended misleading), and there are SWARMS of us out
there with our fangs out! Talk about stress. What's the press compared
to HPFGU? :)))
Yes, that FAQ answer is really funny. Not quite sure whether it's
actually WORTH IT, but it's some consolation. :)
Love, Alice




From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Jul  6 20:46:21 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (haraheart)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:46:21 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
Message-ID: <ccf32t+2kfq@eGroups.com>

who is on the phone?  How do I answer it? and what is the 
significance of the watch face changing when Peeves strikes? Any?
Sarah x





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jul  6 23:43:19 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:43:19 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sharing a URL
In-Reply-To: <ccem5o+8e5u@eGroups.com>
References: <40EA9741.20690.D3F355@localhost>
Message-ID: <40EBC5B7.14247.57F12E@localhost>

On 6 Jul 2004 at 17:06, davewitley wrote:

> Shaun:
> > 
> > There's advantages and disadvantages to it - and, really, only a 
> > fairly small proportion of children get the opportunity in any 
> > country.
> 
> And of those, I imagine only a tiny minority have any say in the 
> matter.  For parents collectively, it may be an opportunity; for 
> children individually, they go because they have to, or don't 
> because they can't.

Actually, of people I know who went to such schools - and it's 
quite a number - the significant majority did have some say. Some 
parents did just decide unilaterally, but really not that many.

In my case, my parents definitely made the decisions *but* I was 
able to make my views known if I chose to. And I wound up boarding 
not because my parents wanted me to - but because the school did 
(they didn't give me much of a choice). My parents actually didn't 
like the idea much. The school did - and I did (though my feelings 
were of limited relevance) (-8








Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  7 00:42:23 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 00:42:23 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <ccf32t+2kfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccfgtf+b5vg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "haraheart" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:
> who is on the phone?  How do I answer it? and what is the 
> significance of the watch face changing when Peeves strikes? Any?
> Sarah x

That's JK Rowling (Jo)  calling!  Just hit the little phone when it 
rings and you can hear her say something

Alora :)




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  7 02:42:45 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:42:45 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <ccfgtf+b5vg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccfnv5+g8ku@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alora" <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "haraheart" <plungy116 at a...> 
> wrote:
> > who is on the phone?  How do I answer it? and what is the 
> > significance of the watch face changing when Peeves strikes? Any?
> > Sarah x
> 
> That's JK Rowling (Jo)  calling!  Just hit the little phone when it 
> rings and you can hear her say something
> 
> Alora :)

You know, she *never* calls me. I'm afraid I'm going to have to
rethink our relationship.

*pout*

Annemehr





From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  7 04:10:47 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:10:47 -0000
Subject: Digest Number 1561
In-Reply-To: <c0.10c3e468.2e1b84d2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ccft47+ui7l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, servinashadows at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/4/2004 3:09:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
> HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
> The old code still 
> works too (you get a check mark if you've already been given your 
> scrapbook page for it). 
> What code?  
> 
> Okay, I admit it, I'm totally confused.
> 
> Lynda

Have you gone on JKR's official site?  You get scrapbook pages if you 
do certain things on the site, such as click on potion ingredients, 
move things on the fan site of the month page.

On the main page on the cell phone, if you punch in a certain 
sequence of numbers you get another scrapbook page. The hint that's 
been given here before is that it's the number Mr. Weasley calls the 
only time in the books we see him use a telephone. Once you get the 
page, you can still type in the number, but all you get is a 
checkmark on the phone screen, instead of the exclamation point you 
get if you put in any other sequence of numbers.

Donna





From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 04:44:13 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (rynne_lupin)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:44:13 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Jen!
Message-ID: <ccfv2t+kr69@eGroups.com>

Aiyiyi, this poor elf got so wrapped up in getting ready for the 
birthday celebrations that she didn't manage to actually /start/ them 
until 9:40 PDT!  She apologizes humbly, and will shove her hands in 
the oven once she gets the cake out of it.

*starts throwing streamers and blowing kazoos* Happy birthday, Jen!

July 6th saw the birthday of Jen, who can be reached for birthday 
owls at Foxydoxy1 at yahoo.com! 

*starts passing out the cake and butterbeer, and is careful not to 
drink too much butterbeer herself* Last thing we need for a birthday 
celebration is a tipsy elf...

We hope you enjoyed your birthday, Jen!

--Rynny the Substitute Birthday Elf





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jul  7 09:22:21 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:22:21 -0000
Subject: The choice to go to boarding school
In-Reply-To: <40EBC5B7.14247.57F12E@localhost>
Message-ID: <ccgfcd+onr0@eGroups.com>

David:

> > And of those, I imagine only a tiny minority have any say in the 
> > matter.  For parents collectively, it may be an opportunity; for 
> > children individually, they go because they have to, or don't 
> > because they can't.

Shaun:

> Actually, of people I know who went to such schools - and it's 
> quite a number - the significant majority did have some say. Some 
> parents did just decide unilaterally, but really not that many.

Interesting.

When I wrote the above I was chiefly thinking of the case where the 
parents' choice is sharply constrained, too.   For example, 
diplomats, missionaries, and others whose jobs cause them to live 
abroad for periods too short to take their kids with them, too long 
for them to be educated locally at a home base.

I think that it is a very lucky parent who can afford to offer any 
kind of choice to their child, whether boarding, day school or home 
ed.  We could certainly not afford to send our children to anything 
other than state schools and were not competent (or confident enough 
of our ongoing sanity) to home-school.  Within the state system (in 
England), there is theoretically some choice, but this is largely 
illusory, as pretty well all parents in a given locality will favour 
the same school (and policies put forward by the main parties here 
to broaden choice will not affect this).

David




From julie_balfour at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 10:28:10 2004
From: julie_balfour at hotmail.com (Boolean)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:28:10 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <ccfgtf+b5vg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccgj7q+c4fo@eGroups.com>

Haraheart asked:

> > who is on the phone?  How do I answer it? and what is the 
> > significance of the watch face changing when Peeves strikes? Any?
> > Sarah x

Alora replied:

> That's JK Rowling (Jo)  calling!  Just hit the little phone when 
it 
> rings and you can hear her say something

I disagree - I think it's her daughter Jessica. It sounds like when 
you call someone and their child answers, slightly hesitantly.




From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jul  7 12:41:22 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:41:22 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <ccgj7q+c4fo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccgr1i+b6na@eGroups.com>

"Boolean" <julie_balfour at h...> wrote:
> Haraheart asked:
> > > who is on the phone?  
> Alora replied:
> > That's JK Rowling (Jo)  calling!
> I disagree - I think it's her daughter Jessica. It sounds like when 
> you call someone and their child answers, slightly hesitantly.

It's not JKR: the voice is totally different. It sounds like someone
rather younger.

Not young enough, however, for it to be Jessica. According to JKR's
Wikipedia article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._Rowling

Jessica will be 11 later this month, and the voice sounds at least
teenaged.

I did wonder whether it might be the redoubtable Fiddy.

What the voice says is IIRC "Hello?... Hello?... Is anybody there?",
gradually getting more exasperated. It's definitely an incoming call.

Just another little thing for us to ponder ;-)
-- 
Phil




From spin01 at aol.com  Wed Jul  7 14:34:31 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:34:31 -0000
Subject: The choice to go to boarding school
In-Reply-To: <ccgfcd+onr0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cch1ln+4mqk@eGroups.com>

David wrote:   > I think that it is a very lucky parent who can 
afford to offer any 
> kind of choice to their child, whether boarding, day school or home 
> ed.  We could certainly not afford to send our children to anything 
> other than state schools and were not competent (or confident 
enough 
> of our ongoing sanity) to home-school.  Within the state system (in 
> England), there is theoretically some choice, but this is largely 
> illusory, as pretty well all parents in a given locality will 
favour 
> the same school (and policies put forward by the main parties here 
> to broaden choice will not affect this).
> 
> David

Now my turn :)  In the united states there are many many choices for 
schooling.  private, semi private, boarding, homeschooling and 
public.  the largest amount of children go to public school.  in most 
states the public school your child goes to is determined by boundry 
lines set by the city.  your child is bussed or walks.  you don't 
have a choice although in some cities you can petition for your child 
to go elsewhere.  not sure which states those are but do know that in 
the early 80's california was one of them. should you choose to send 
your child to a school not in your boundry the tuition cost can be 
big.  My children (except the youngest)  all went to private 
(catholic) gradeschools up till 8th grade.  When they hit highschool 
they were given the choice of continuing on with private (read big 
bucks here) school or going to the local public (read free here ) 
school.  My oldest son opted to stay in the private school system.  
He works his butt off 7 to 330 every day during the summer to help 
pay for it as it is a very expensive military college prep school.  
My next son has opted for the local public highschool.  There are 
many different choices at work here.  And many different 
considerations.  In the states the public school systems range from 
spectacular to abysmal.  I am scared for my sons education but am 
also absolutly sure that he will no do well in a school system he 
does not want to be in.  IE: the private college prep school.  
Sometimes the parents are just doing what they think is best and 
hoping for the best.  
Sherry <<off my soap box now but have had the private vs public 
debate with my family to many times to ignore lol>>




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 15:39:31 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:39:31 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <ccf32t+2kfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cch5fj+73uf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "haraheart" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:
and what is the 
> significance of the watch face changing when Peeves strikes? Any?
> Sarah x

I believe the watchface turns into dumbledores watch, with twelve 
hands and planets instead of numerals. For detailed answers about 
anything you'd like to know about jkr's site, I recommend 
www.potterkeys.com  a site dedicated to figuring out the clues and 
extras.

Sophia




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 18:16:08 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:16:08 -0000
Subject: it's not/it isn't
In-Reply-To: <ccel5q+dhb7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cchel8+t41c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
>  > Sophia wrote:
> > Here's a question for all you native English-speakers. I've long 
> > wanted to know the answer to this question, but it only recently 
> > occurred to me to try my luck on this list:
> > 
> > Is there any difference in tone and or usage between saying "it's 
> > not" and "it isn't"?
> > 
> 
> I think it's the tone, really. 'It's not' is usually more emphatic. 
> Both are a contraction of the same phrase - It is not - but the 
> emphasis in 'It's not' is firmly on the 'not'.


This is just to say thankyou to all who answered this question for 
me. No great surprises, there but nice to know there is no hidden 
difference for the non-native speaker...

Sophia




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  7 21:32:14 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Bush)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:32:14 -0000
Subject: newbie here!
Message-ID: <cchq4u+qi1b@eGroups.com>

I always tend to jump ahead of myself, so I posted this in the main 
HP site THEN read that I wasn't supposed to post "Hi, I'm new!" 
posts in the main site, so my friendly little elf sent it back to me 
so I'm posting it here!  Whew.....

I love these boards, I have to say!  I thought I was a big fan of 
HP, but, to paraphrase....I don't know nothing! I'm really enjoying 
reading back posts -- and spending way too much time doing so.  If I 
happen to jump in and say something that's been said hundreds of 
times, please forgive me and blame it on my clueless-ness.

Anyway, I'm 38/f, married plus my 2 + his 2 = 4 teenagers, I sell 
residential real estate for a living and live just north of 
Nashville, TN.  

Now for the real question.....How the heck do you guys find all that 
stuff on JR's website?  My mouse moves over portkeys that open to 
other pages but .... scrapbook pages?  Watch faces that change?  
Phone ringing?  Never happened!  Please do tell!







From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Wed Jul  7 22:01:12 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:01:12 -0400
Subject: -=Spam=- [HPFGU-OTChatter] newbie here!
In-Reply-To: <cchq4u+qi1b@eGroups.com>
References: <cchq4u+qi1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040707175830.039381b0@mail.toltbbs.com>


>Marita wrote:
>Now for the real question.....How the heck do you guys find all that
>stuff on JR's website?  My mouse moves over portkeys that open to
>other pages but .... scrapbook pages?  Watch faces that change?
>Phone ringing?  Never happened!  Please do tell!
Phil answers:
Try:
http://www.potterskeys.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Wed Jul  7 22:32:01 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:32:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] newbie here!
References: <cchq4u+qi1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015a01c46472$3917ffe0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Marita, it's great to see you posting, hon'.  Now I have to ask you, do you
have a Tennessee accent?  I surely hope so, cause I think it's just about
the prettiest Southern accent there is.  I'm a transplanted North Carolinian
living in the D.C. area, and I really do miss an honest-to-gosh soft
Southern accent.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  8 03:09:38 2004
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (leeannmccullough)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:09:38 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
Message-ID: <ccidti+dj4i@eGroups.com>

Ok, is it just me or does someone look odd in POA? Every scene with 
Malfoy had two sidekicks with him. But one of them looks different! 
I can't remember if it was Crabbe or Goyle that seemed to be 
missing, but one of them got fairly tall and ugly. I have searched 
everywhere I can think of and I keep comming up with the origonal 
two from SS. Someone let me know if it is early senility, I'm only 
40 for heaven sake.




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 03:32:51 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:32:51 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <ccidti+dj4i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccif93+2qof@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "leeannmccullough" 
<libtax10375 at e...> wrote:
> Ok, is it just me or does someone look odd in POA? Every scene with 
> Malfoy had two sidekicks with him. But one of them looks different! 
> I can't remember if it was Crabbe or Goyle that seemed to be 
> missing, but one of them got fairly tall and ugly. I have searched 
> everywhere I can think of and I keep comming up with the origonal 
> two from SS. Someone let me know if it is early senility, I'm only 
> 40 for heaven sake.

Goyle is often replaced with another Slytherin boy in the movie.  I 
wondered at it too.  Someone asked people involved with the film 
about it, and it was just cited as 'another slytherin boy.'  Who 
knows, any clue?

aj




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  8 15:40:02 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:40:02 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
Message-ID: <ccjpsi+f1a4@eGroups.com>

My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding where and when to 
meet for the month, and I suddenly realized July 31st falls on a 
Saturday. "This is just too good!" I thought: Any Potterphile who 
follows the modern calendar will be celebrating Happy Harry Day 
because of the convenience. Besides, after everything JKR put him 
through in OoP, the poor kid could use a good party. 

Except...nobody seems to be giving him one.

No word that the local libraries or bookstores are hosting any HP 
events. No news that JKR will be holding a live chat or something 
similiar to mark the occasion. (Britain is six to nine hours ahead of 
the USA, so any webcast would likely take place on our Friday night.) 
Not a single word of birthday preparations announced on the Leaky 
Cauldron yet.

It can't be that everyone around the world is still recovering from 
the 4th of July holiday. (The English certainly don't celebrate the 
4th.) I would think that Warner Bros. at the very least would haul 
out an enormous birthday cake in order to encourage Potterites back 
into theaters for another viewing of PoA. But no, not even that.

What a Dursley way to treat the lad.

Has anyone out there heard of any special events to celebrate Harry's 
(and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?

I can't even buy one of those nifty Aunt Marge balloons. <sniffle>

Grannybat





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 14:19:02 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Bush)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:19:02 -0000
Subject: newbie here!
In-Reply-To: <015a01c46472$3917ffe0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <ccjl4m+4e26@eGroups.com>

Hey, June!  

I actually have a Kentucky accent, since that's where I grew up (GO 
BIG BLUE!!!).  I also lived outside Baltimore for almost 12 years, 
so we're almost past neighbors!  :)  

Marita




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Marita, it's great to see you posting, hon'.  Now I have to ask 
you, do you
> have a Tennessee accent?  I surely hope so, cause I think it's 
just about
> the prettiest Southern accent there is.  I'm a transplanted North 
Carolinian
> living in the D.C. area, and I really do miss an honest-to-gosh 
soft
> Southern accent.  June
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June





From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul  8 16:16:45 2004
From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Hans=20Andr=E9a?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:16:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <ccjpsi+f1a4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040708161645.81002.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

grannybat84112 <grannybat at hotmail.com> wrote: 
My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding where and when to 
meet for the month, and I suddenly realized July 31st falls on a 
Saturday. No word that the local libraries or bookstores are hosting any HP 
events. 

----
Hans:

Well, what about the wonderful opportunity we've missed for Harry Potter's
SEVENTH birthday. I'm not talking about Harry the Sorcerer's apprentice, but
Harry Potter, the phemnomenon that has taken the world by storm. The first
book was published on June 26th, 1997. Seeing the number seven plays such a
large role in the books it would have been appropriate to celebrate the
seventh anniversary of Harry Potter.

It seems hard to believe it's only seven years that Harry Potter has begun
to conquer the world, but that's what it is!

In another sense last month was Harry Potter's 14th birthday, because it was
in June 1990, at the age of 24 that Joanna Rowling was sitting in the train
and Harry walked into her life, and hence into the hearts and minds of
millions.




Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 17:57:14 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <ccjpsi+f1a4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040708175714.79774.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

--- grannybat84112 <grannybat at hotmail.com> wrote: > 
> 
<snip>
> 
> 
> Has anyone out there heard of any special events to
> celebrate Harry's 
> (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?
> 
Well of course there's people celebrating Harry's
birthday! Convention Alley didn't just *happen* to
coincide with his birthday, you know. <vbg>

We'll be having a birthday banquet, complete with
cake! For more details:
http://www.conventionalley.org/

Hope to see you there!

Sheryll

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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jul  8 17:58:37 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:58:37 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <ccif93+2qof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cck20d+skvr@eGroups.com>


> Goyle is often replaced with another Slytherin boy in the movie.  
> I wondered at it too.  Someone asked people involved with the film 
> about it, and it was just cited as 'another slytherin boy.'  Who 
> knows, any clue?
> 

Not a hundred percent sure, but I think the young actor playing 
Goyle had to take time off for his GCSEs. These are public 
examinations in England and Wales that you take at 15 or 16 - OWLs 
are loosely based on them.

The time of exam is set by the examination board and may not be 
varied - though there is some leniency about location if there is 
genuine illness.

They're important, because entry to higher education and many jobs 
depends on you achieving certain grades, so it wouldn't surprise me 
if his sitting the exams was considered more important than his 
being available to film.

Pip!Squeak




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 17:58:09 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:58:09 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <ccjpsi+f1a4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cck1vh+vd60@eGroups.com>

 
> Has anyone out there heard of any special events to celebrate Harry's 
> (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?
> 
> I can't even buy one of those nifty Aunt Marge balloons. <sniffle>
> 
> Grannybat

You know, you're right, I haven't seen anything either. Of course,
I'll be busy that evening (it's our wedding anniversary, too, and
we'll be out with friends!), but I'd really love to do something for him.

How about our own chat at HPfGU? Can we arrange a special time to
/join HP:1 just like on Sundays? We could sort of roleplay -- eat and
drink WW food, play party games with wands, whatever.

Anybody game?  Who's good at figuring out time zones?

Annemehr
apparently as prone as Grannybat to seeing Harry as very real...





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jul  8 18:08:19 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 18:08:19 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <20040708175714.79774.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cck2ij+ccjq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:
> --- grannybat84112 <grannybat at h...> wrote: > 
> > 
> <snip>
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone out there heard of any special events to
> > celebrate Harry's 
> > (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?

> > Sheryll:
> Well of course there's people celebrating Harry's
> birthday! Convention Alley didn't just *happen* to
> coincide with his birthday, you know. <vbg>
> 
<Snip>
> 
> Hope to see you there!
> 
> Sheryll
> 

And if you want to make early plans for Harry's birthday in 2005, 
then Accio UK is being held on the weekend of 29th July to - guess 
what - 31st July 2005

See http://www.accio.org.uk for details.

Pip!Squeak





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Thu Jul  8 19:20:42 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:20:42 -0400
Subject: Attn, Hans
Message-ID: <053601c46520$a9bfe1a0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Hans, dear, please write me off list.  I was to fill you in on some info you wanted, and plus, I was hoping we could kick off a correspondence.  Please drop me a line.  My address is
firedancerflash at comcast.net
Hope to hear from you soon.  June 
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June

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From adesah at juno.com  Thu Jul  8 18:39:45 2004
From: adesah at juno.com (Adesa)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 18:39:45 -0000
Subject: Release Dates for Books 1-5?
Message-ID: <cck4dh+1uun@eGroups.com>

Does anyone remember how long we waited from title announcement to 
release date for each of the first five books? I'm wondering if the 
title announcement for Book 6 is *any* indication of how long we have 
to wait. The only reference I've found for a Book 6 release is summer 
2005 at the earliest, more probably not til 2006. Say it isn't so!!!

Adesa





From sydenmill at msn.com  Thu Jul  8 20:51:20 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:51:20 -0000
Subject: Oz and JKR's website
Message-ID: <cckc48+a1c4@eGroups.com>

Has anyone else noticed this:  On JKR's website, in the background we 
can hear birds chirping. And I swear, to me, it sounds like they are 
chirping the tune of the song in Wizard of Oz where Dorothy has just 
landed in Oz and she is explaining how she came to be there. It has 
the words in it, "The house began to twitch and then to pitch," etc. 
and goes on to describe how it landed on the witch in the ditch, 
which wasn't a "very healthy situation for the witch." (I don't 
remember the name of it...)

The birds sound like they are chirping the first few notes of this 
song. Does anyone else hear it? If it is not that song they are 
chirping, it is definitely SOME song. Anyone figure it out? Does it 
mean anything?

Plus, when the doorbell rings, a dog barks, 6 times. Dog, Sirius, any 
clues there?

(Boy, the LOONS of the world are going to LOVE this:) Also, in the 
descriptions under miscellaneous facts, JKR tells us that she has 
heard of this Harry Potter and that -- and I think there are 5 that 
she lists. In the next page, she mentions the number 101, and so on. 
In other words, on every sheet she mentions certain numbers and I'm 
wondering if there is any significance to them?

Maybe I am reading too much into everything, but it just seems JKR 
has such an economy of words, she wouldn't just put something out 
there without a specific meaning -- without it being a clue.

Thanks for the opinions!
Bohcoo

 





From spin01 at aol.com  Thu Jul  8 21:26:58 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:26:58 -0000
Subject: Release Dates for Books 1-5?
In-Reply-To: <cck4dh+1uun@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccke72+lolg@eGroups.com>

not sure if this helps or not but we got the name of the book 6 in 
february and then it was released in June.  So maybe maybe (please 
big finger crossing going on here) it will be released sometime 
around christms?  wouldn't that be great.  
sherry
waiting and hoping and hoping and waiting for new book to come out.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Adesa" <adesah at j...> wrote:
> Does anyone remember how long we waited from title announcement to 
> release date for each of the first five books? I'm wondering if the 
> title announcement for Book 6 is *any* indication of how long we 
have 
> to wait. The only reference I've found for a Book 6 release is 
summer 
> 2005 at the earliest, more probably not til 2006. Say it isn't so!!!
> 
> Adesa




From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Thu Jul  8 21:43:25 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 22:43:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Release Dates for Books 1-5?
In-Reply-To: <ccke72+lolg@eGroups.com>
References: <ccke72+lolg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40EDBFFD.9030105@colinogilvie.co.uk>

spinelli372003 wrote:

>not sure if this helps or not but we got the name of the book 6 in 
>february and then it was released in June.  So maybe maybe (please 
>big finger crossing going on here) it will be released sometime 
>around christms?
>
Are you sure (assuming book 6 was actually meant to be book 5)? The 
title appears to have been announced in October 2000 and the book wasn't 
released until June 2003.

'J.K. Rowling announced on Friday, October 20th, 2000, that the title of 
the next Harry Potter book most likely will be HARRY POTTER AND THE 
ORDER OF THE PHOENIX. Rowling is writing the book' now and her publisher 
reports that it could be ready for publication "sometime in 2002".' 
(Source: http://www.kidsreads.com/harrypotter/happenings.html)

'Publisher: Scholastic; (June 21, 2003)' (Source: 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/043935806X/mugglenet/103-6852642-9608643)

-- 
Regards,

Colin






From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jul  9 00:17:00 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:17:00 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <cck1vh+vd60@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccko5s+9209@eGroups.com>

Grannybat: 
> > Has anyone out there heard of any special events to celebrate 
> > Harry's (and JKR's) birthday?

I know that many of the conventions strive to celebrate the occasion,
but not all of us can attend.

I think it would be really kewl if we HP fans (or at least HPfGU fans)
figured out a particular KIND of way to celebrate July 31st every
year, whether at a convention or in a local group.

You know: bake a certain kind of cake, meet in a certain kind of
place, engage in a certain kind of activity...

Maybe meet in the reptile house of your local zoo and break the glass
of the largest snake's display.  (Only that's really Dudley's
birthday, so maybe not.)

Or create a replica of the Hut on a Rock and arrange to have a giant
person barge in and pass out Hogwarts acceptance letters.

Or go to the local train station and push the trollies into the wall.

Or coax owls and large tropical birds to transport boxed cakes somewhere.

Or write essays on witch hunts under the covers, using ink and quills.

Anything clever that is fairly easy to implement, rooted in canon, and
that will attract the local TV stations' attention. :D  

Oh, and that will become an international trend.  No biggie.

> Annemehr
> apparently as prone as Grannybat to seeing Harry as very real...

How dare you imply that he's not!  :D

--Dicey Elf, who is at a loss for clever ideas




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul  9 00:49:18 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:49:18 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <cck1vh+vd60@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cckq2e+2lu0@eGroups.com>

Grannybat wrote:

> > Has anyone out there heard of any special events to celebrate 
Harry's 
> > (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?
> > 
> > I can't even buy one of those nifty Aunt Marge balloons. 
<sniffle>

Annemehr:

> How about our own chat at HPfGU? Can we arrange a special time to
> /join HP:1 just like on Sundays? We could sort of roleplay -- eat 
and
> drink WW food, play party games with wands, whatever.
> 
> Anybody game?  Who's good at figuring out time zones?

I think I'd be up for that.  Sundays are usually a bad time for me, 
and a Saturday would normally be a lot easier.  And I can't go to 
Convention Alley.  Though my roleplaying abilities are negligible.

I don't think, as far as the mechanics of the chat are concerned, 
there's anything to arrange, except the time: I don't think the room 
needs 'opening' in any sense.

Is SLC mountain time?  That would be 7 hours behind the UK, where I 
am.  EDT is 5 hours behind.  HPFGU itself never sleeps, as the elves 
who deal with the pending message queue will testify.

David




From editor at texas.net  Fri Jul  9 01:33:08 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:33:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
References: <ccjpsi+f1a4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c46556$4cd46fc0$b459aacf@texas.net>

Grannybat:

> My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding where and when to
> meet for the month, and I suddenly realized July 31st falls on a
> Saturday. "This is just too good!" I thought: Any Potterphile who
> follows the modern calendar will be celebrating Happy Harry Day
> because of the convenience. Besides, after everything JKR put him
> through in OoP, the poor kid could use a good party.
>
> Except...nobody seems to be giving him one.

I beg your pardon.

Convention Alley, the Harry Potter literary conference in Ottawa that
weekend, is hosted by the Laurentian Normal School of Consolidated Magicks
in honor of the birthday of the famous British wizard Harry Potter.

So there.

~Amanda






From karenbjhess at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 01:48:12 2004
From: karenbjhess at hotmail.com (khess6669)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 01:48:12 -0000
Subject: it's not/it isn't
In-Reply-To: <20040706132109.10204.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccktgs+mnhj@eGroups.com>

Sophie wrote:

Is there any difference in tone and or usage between saying "it's
not" and "it isn't"?
 
Paula wrote:
 
For example, from childhood always remembered kids on the playground 
yelling, "It's not, either!"  But the teacher would say, "It isn't 
correct, polite, etc."


==
KB here:

Reference to the schoolyard makes me think of one distinction between 
them. Kids sometimes enjoy the following pun:

- It is.
- No, it's SNOT!

Sounds pretty much the same when you say it out loud, but they're 
really saying "No, it is nose mucus." (You can't make that childish 
joke if you say, politely, "No, it isn't.")

Sorry to take this from PhD linguists to schoolyard silliness, but I 
thought it was worth a mention.

KB







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 02:58:27 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 02:58:27 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <cckq2e+2lu0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccl1kj+3is6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Grannybat wrote:
> 
> > > Has anyone out there heard of any special events to celebrate 
> Harry's 
> > > (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?
> > > 
> > > I can't even buy one of those nifty Aunt Marge balloons. 
> <sniffle>
> 
> Annemehr:
> 
> > How about our own chat at HPfGU? Can we arrange a special time to
> > /join HP:1 just like on Sundays? We could sort of roleplay -- eat 
> and
> > drink WW food, play party games with wands, whatever.
> > 
> > Anybody game?  Who's good at figuring out time zones?

David:
> I think I'd be up for that.  Sundays are usually a bad time for me, 
> and a Saturday would normally be a lot easier.  And I can't go to 
> Convention Alley.  Though my roleplaying abilities are negligible.
[...]
> Is SLC mountain time?  That would be 7 hours behind the UK, where I 
> am.  EDT is 5 hours behind.  HPFGU itself never sleeps, as the elves 
> who deal with the pending message queue will testify.
> 
> David

Annemehr again:
Well, obviously it has to be during Harry's birthday in the UK. Other
than that, we just need the best time to include some 'waking hours'
for most of us...

I hope we do this!

Dicentra said:
>>> I think it would be really kewl if we HP fans (or at least HPfGU fans)
figured out a particular KIND of way to celebrate July 31st every
year, whether at a convention or in a local group.

You know: bake a certain kind of cake, meet in a certain kind of
place, engage in a certain kind of activity...
[...]
Anything clever that is fairly easy to implement, rooted in canon, and
that will attract the local TV stations' attention. :D

Oh, and that will become an international trend. No biggie.<<<

Annemehr:

How about something Jo would like? Say, on July 31 every year,
everybody make a donation to your library in Harry's name? Books,
tapes, money, whatever you can, with a note saying it's for his
birthday.  If your library happens to be closed that day some year,
just do it the day before.

Okay, it's not as much fun as busting the snakes out of the zoos,
but...maybe someone else can build on the idea.

>> Annemehr
>> apparently as prone as Grannybat to seeing Harry as very real...

> How dare you imply that he's not! :D

> --Dicey Elf, who is at a loss for clever ideas

*claps hand over mouth*

Oops!

Annemehr






From michel56 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  9 03:31:18 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:31:18 -0400
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
Message-ID: <009201c46565$32c6ad00$17186e18@earthlink.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: grannybat84112 
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:40 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>


My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding where and when to 
meet for the month, and I suddenly realized July 31st falls on a 
Saturday. "This is just too good!" I thought: Any Potterphile who 
follows the modern calendar will be celebrating Happy Harry Day 
because of the convenience. Besides, after everything JKR put him 
through in OoP, the poor kid could use a good party. 

Except...nobody seems to be giving him one.


<<big snip>>


Michele now:

If it is any consolation, some of the members of the HP4GU-Florida group are planning a get together to celebrate Harry's birthday, so all is not lost!
Of course, that doesn't do a bit of good for at least 99.9999% of the members of this list.... I'm not sure I'll even make it since it is at least a 4 hour drive for me to where the group is meeting.  Darn.....

Michele   ( who's going to try to get there, but will celebrate at home anyway if I can't make it!  Any excuse for cake and ice cream...)

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From AntaresCheryl at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 04:16:44 2004
From: AntaresCheryl at aol.com (AntaresCheryl at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:16:44 EDT
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[HPFGU-OTChatter]=20DO=20NOT=A0DISTURB=20SI?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?GN?=
Message-ID: <119.35169c35.2e1f762c@aol.com>

I could not get through on my AOL browser. The cache wouldn't clear. I 
brought up the MSN browser and was able to get to the site and the "do not disturb 
sign" was gone. However, everytime I try it on AOL, the sign is back. You need 
to clear your browser cache or try it on a different browser that you have not 
been there on before.
Cheryl


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From AntaresCheryl at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 04:21:19 2004
From: AntaresCheryl at aol.com (AntaresCheryl at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:21:19 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's Scrapbook
Message-ID: <146.2dc2b4ea.2e1f773f@aol.com>

It seems that there are only 4 so far.
Cheryl


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From AntaresCheryl at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 04:20:57 2004
From: AntaresCheryl at aol.com (AntaresCheryl at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:20:57 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] jkr site - who is on the phone?
Message-ID: <1c0.1b6c85aa.2e1f7729@aol.com>

It's JK Rowling on the phone. Hit the button that you would on your own phone 
to answer. You can only listen to her.
Cheryl


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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 06:00:40 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <009201c46565$32c6ad00$17186e18@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040709060040.1745.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>

> From: grannybat84112 
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:40 AM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's
> Birthday? <sob>
> 
> 
> My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding
> where and when to 
> meet for the month, 

Local group of Potterheads? Now that sounds like
something I should be a part of! If I may ask, how did
you find your local group? Was it through the Meet-Up
web site, a book store, or something you helped
organize yourself? I would love to get together with
fellow fans in my town - though it's a mid-sized city
and may not have any such groups.

Just curious,
Lanthiriel S


		
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From sinfulsnape at cox.net  Fri Jul  9 06:59:39 2004
From: sinfulsnape at cox.net (SinfulSnape)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:59:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: New Fic "50 Points From Gryffindor"
Message-ID: <40EE425B.000057.03348@NHCD>

I decided to post my first ever HG/SS fan fic.  It's a work in progress and
the only thing posted so far is the prologue.
 
Basically it's a combination of two challenges - In the Window that was
posted here and the Snape's Twin challenge from WIKTT.
 
If you want to check it out, here are the links where it is posted.  I also
uploaded it at Ashwinder, but being a new author they have to approve it
first, so I will keep my fingers crossed...we'll see.
 
Please review if you like it...if you wish to flame, please email me at
SinfulSnape at cox.net
 
Whispers
http://www.thepotionsmaster.net/story.php?no=873
 
AFF
http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=30868   
 
Thanks! 
 
Rhonda - SinfulSnape

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul  9 09:01:32 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:01:32 -0000
Subject: WIKKT (was New Fic "50 Points From Gryffindor")
In-Reply-To: <40EE425B.000057.03348@NHCD>
Message-ID: <cclmtc+jib0@eGroups.com>

SinfulSnape wrote:

> I decided to post my first ever HG/SS fan fic.  It's a work in 
progress and
> the only thing posted so far is the prologue.
>  
> Basically it's a combination of two challenges - In the Window 
that was
> posted here and the Snape's Twin challenge from WIKTT.

That reminds me - I came across WIKKT in another context: what is it?
Googling brought up Ashwinder's site, but I couldn't (easily) find 
the thing itself or what the letters stand for.

David




From lists at heidi8.com  Fri Jul  9 10:48:41 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:48:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WIKKT (was New Fic "50 Points From Gryffindor")
In-Reply-To: <cclmtc+jib0@eGroups.com>
References: <cclmtc+jib0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1089370123.216D01F4@r5.dngr.org>


> SinfulSnape wrote:
>  I decided to post my first ever HG/SS fan fic.? It's a work in
progress and
>  the only thing posted so far is the prologue.
> ?
>  Basically it's a combination of two challenges - In the Window
that was
>  posted here and the Snape's Twin challenge from WIKTT.


On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 5:01am, davewitley wrote:

That reminds me - I came across WIKKT in another context: what is it?
Googling brought up Ashwinder's site, but I couldn't (easily) find
the thing itself or what the letters stand for.

It's the 'when I kissed the teacher' yahoogroup for Hermione/Snape 
fanfic and discussion. I'm not on the list myself, but as I understand 
it, it's been around for about three years and has regular challenges as 
well as discussion.


Heidi



From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 11:26:31 2004
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (SongBird3411 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:26:31 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN?=
In-Reply-To: <ccbjmd+jmju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cclvd7+rcqt@eGroups.com>

David wrote:
> 
> I think the door was openable for less than a week, roughly from 
> Monday to Friday.  While that may be plenty of time for deranged 
> Potter obsessives, it does strike me as very short for normal 
> people, who might be expected to pop over to the site once a month 
> or so to check the Wizard of the Month.
> 
> David, who sometimes thinks he's the only person in cyberspace to 
> understand 'ma?ana'

Oh my goodness!  How disappointing.  I was on vacation until 
yesterday.  A fellow Potter-obsessed friend called me as soon as I 
got home to tell me all this Potter news.  Of course, all the 
information behind the door is all over the internet.  The title has 
long since been discussed, discussed some more, and discussed even 
more.  (Egad, I have a lot of posts to catch up on at the main list!)

Still, it would have been nice to finally open that door after 
staring at a "Do Not Disturb" sign for months.  Alas.  It is not to 
be.  Perhaps I can get there quicker when the next bit of information 
is revealed.

Oh, and David, I am fluent in Spanish and know exactly what manana 
means.  Although, I cannot seem to get my computer to put the symbol 
over the n.  Sigh.  Yet more things I need to learn how to do.  It 
took me a long time to figure out how to do it in my word processor.  
Yes, I am technology challenged, thank you very much.  ;)

Mindy- who is going to dream about possible candidates for the HBP 
all night and hopefully come up with a theory before she reads the 
multitude of posts on the main list.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul  9 11:57:00 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:57:00 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?My_Spanish_skills_(was_DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN)?=
In-Reply-To: <cclvd7+rcqt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccm16c+j490@eGroups.com>

are non-existent.

Mindy wrote:

> Oh, and David, I am fluent in Spanish and know exactly what manana 
> means.  Although, I cannot seem to get my computer to put the 
symbol 
> over the n.  Sigh.  Yet more things I need to learn how to do.  It 
> took me a long time to figure out how to do it in my word 
processor.  
> Yes, I am technology challenged, thank you very much.  ;)

If you have a Windows computer, there is a program (usually to be 
found in the Accessories menu in the Programs menu of the Start 
button) called Character Map.  This contains symbols, such as ?, not 
on the keyboard.

My recollection is that Macs have a similar program (Keycaps? 
something like that).  I don't know about Unix, Linux, etc.

However, my appreciation of the meaning of 'ma?ana' to Spanish 
speakers is really rather limited.  To English speakers, I take it 
to be roughly equivalent to the old proverb 'Do not do today what 
you can reasonably put off until tomorrow', a philosophy that has 
always stood me in good stead.  Like Harry, I always applied it to 
homework at school.

On the internet, however, there is a new proverb: 'Anything you say 
today will be forgotten this evening, let alone tomorrow'.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul  9 12:10:23 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:10:23 -0000
Subject: WIKKT and discussion groups
In-Reply-To: <1089370123.216D01F4@r5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <ccm1vf+d8pb@eGroups.com>

Heidi wrote:

> It's the 'when I kissed the teacher' yahoogroup for Hermione/Snape 
> fanfic and discussion. I'm not on the list myself, but as I 
understand 
> it, it's been around for about three years and has regular 
challenges as 
> well as discussion.

Thank you.

Yes, nearly three years, and there's an associated OT list.  But, 
golly, it's a group to rival HPFGU in size and list volume.

There is a certain familiarity, too, to this, from the home 
page: "It is really important that you read this [hyperlinked] 
welcome message. It should answer a number of questions, introduce 
you to this list and its rules, and give you some pointers to help 
you avoid starting off your membership on the wrong foot."

It makes me idly wonder, what is the biggest Yahoogroup of them 
all?  I doubt there's any easy way to find out and, given the 
propensity of really large groups to self-destruct or run out of 
steam under their own weight, it's probably changing all the time.

I suppose FA Park is the biggest Harry Potter discussion group?

David




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 14:05:03 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:05:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: On the Light Side
Message-ID: <20040709140503.23255.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>

9July04
 
Here's a good riddle.  Heard it the other day from a neighbor's kid:
 
Draco put a really nasty spell on a Muggle kid.  The poor little Muggle was shut up in a room with no windows or doors and had absolutely no way to escape.  The only thing in the room was a table and a mirror.  The Muggle however DID get out.  How'd he do it?
 
Solution:  He looked in the mirror, saw what he saw, took the saw, cut the table in half.  Two halves make a (w)hole and he climed out the hole.
 
OK, OK, don't get too mad at me.
Paula Gaon



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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jul  9 14:54:58 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:54:58 -0400
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <20040709060040.1745.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEEFDBAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

If there's anyone in the Morris County area of NJ, write to me; maybe we can
get together for a dinner or something to celebrate Harry's Birthday?

I'm not a great cook, so maybe we need to rent some house elves to bake
pumpking pasties, etc.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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From spin01 at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 16:14:58 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:14:58 -0000
Subject: Release Dates for Books 1-5?
In-Reply-To: <40EDBFFD.9030105@colinogilvie.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ccmga2+7h8f@eGroups.com>

sorry i messed up the dates.  I didn't get the name of book 5 till 
feb of 2003 and then it came out in june of that year.  thought that 
was when it came out. of course that is when I read all of the 
books.  didn't know there had been a 3 year lull in between them.  
sherry
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Colin O <HPGroup at c...> wrote:
> spinelli372003 wrote:
> 
> >not sure if this helps or not but we got the name of the book 6 in 
> >february and then it was released in June.  So maybe maybe (please 
> >big finger crossing going on here) it will be released sometime 
> >around christms?
> >
> Are you sure (assuming book 6 was actually meant to be book 5)? The 
> title appears to have been announced in October 2000 and the book 
wasn't 
> released until June 2003.
> 
> 'J.K. Rowling announced on Friday, October 20th, 2000, that the 
title of 
> the next Harry Potter book most likely will be HARRY POTTER AND THE 
> ORDER OF THE PHOENIX. Rowling is writing the book' now and her 
publisher 
> reports that it could be ready for publication "sometime in 2002".' 
> (Source: http://www.kidsreads.com/harrypotter/happenings.html)
> 
> 'Publisher: Scholastic; (June 21, 2003)' (Source: 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/043935806X/mugglenet/103-6852642-9608643)
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Colin




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 16:09:12 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Bush)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:09:12 -0000
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <20040709060040.1745.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccmfv8+top1@eGroups.com>

I would love to meet a local group of Potterheads!  If anyone is in 
the Nashville area, give out a Yee Haw!  :)



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Lanthiriel S 
<isilvalacirca at y...> wrote:
> > From: grannybat84112 
> > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:40 AM
> > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Parties for Harry's
> > Birthday? <sob>
> > 
> > 
> > My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding
> > where and when to 
> > meet for the month, 
> 
> Local group of Potterheads? Now that sounds like
> something I should be a part of! If I may ask, how did
> you find your local group? Was it through the Meet-Up
> web site, a book store, or something you helped
> organize yourself? I would love to get together with
> fellow fans in my town - though it's a mid-sized city
> and may not have any such groups.
> 
> Just curious,
> Lanthiriel S
> 
> 
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From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 16:50:57 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:50:57 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <cck2ij+ccjq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccmidh+7oc0@eGroups.com>

> >grannybat84112 wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Has anyone out there heard of any special events to
> > > celebrate Harry's 
> > > (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?
> 
> > > Sheryll:
> > Well of course there's people celebrating Harry's
> > birthday! Convention Alley didn't just *happen* to
> > coincide with his birthday, you know. <vbg>
> > 
> > Hope to see you there!

Alas, it's not possible. Amused and delighted though I am that so 
many Snape panels have blossomed since the first Nimbus convention, 
the state of my economy does not allow for travel in the near future.

I assume Convention Alley isn't encouraging people to drop in for 
Harry's birthday party because the registration is sold out?

 
> And if you want to make early plans for Harry's birthday in 2005, 
> then Accio UK is being held on the weekend of 29th July to - guess 
> what - 31st July 2005
> 
> Pip!Squeak

Traveling to Britain in just a year...<sigh>

Grannybat





From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 17:06:51 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:06:51 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <ccl1kj+3is6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccmjbb+366q@eGroups.com>

Grannybat wrote:
> > > > Has anyone out there heard of any special events to celebrate 
> > > > Harry's (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?
> > > 
Annemehr:
> > > How about our own chat at HPfGU? 
> > > We could sort of roleplay -- eat and drink WW food, play party 
> > > games with wands, whatever.
> > 
David:
> > Is SLC mountain time?  That would be 7 hours behind the UK, 
> > HPFGU itself never sleeps, as the elves 
> > who deal with the pending message queue will testify.
> 
Annemehr again:
> Well, obviously it has to be during Harry's birthday in the UK. 
> ...we just need the best time to include some 'waking hours'
> for most of us...

This might work if a couple of the SLC locals bring laptops to our 
meet. Otherwise a lot of us won't have 'net access outside our own 
homes (or offices). Since the whole point of a meet-up is to meet.


Dicentra said:
> > I think it would be really kewl if we HP fans figured
> > out a particular KIND of way to celebrate July 31st every
> > year, whether at a convention or in a local group.
> >
> > Anything clever that is fairly easy to implement, rooted in  
> > canon, and that will attract the local TV stations' attention. :D
> 
> > Oh, and that will become an international trend. No biggie.
> 
Annemehr:
> How about something Jo would like? Say, on July 31 every year,
> everybody make a donation to your library in Harry's name? Books,
> tapes, money, whatever you can, with a note saying it's for his
> birthday.  

Oh, I like this. Everybody come together in pointy hats at the 
library for birthday cake, donations, and gift-wrapped socks.

Now where did I leave my list of media contacts.... ;)

Granny





From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 17:10:34 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:10:34 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <20040708161645.81002.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccmjia+qloe@eGroups.com>

grannybat84112 wrote: 
>> My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding where and when to 
>> meet for the month, and I suddenly realized July 31st falls on a 
>> Saturday. No word that the local libraries or bookstores are 
>> hosting any HP  events. 
>
Hans:
> Well, what about the wonderful opportunity we've missed for Harry 
> Potter's SEVENTH birthday. ...The first book was published
> on June 26th, 1997. Seeing the number seven plays such a
> large role in the books it would have been appropriate to celebrate 

Oooh, great idea! I wonder if this combined with Annemehr's donation 
idea would nudge the libraries into holding a party.

Granny




From grannybat at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 17:29:14 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:29:14 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <20040709060040.1745.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccmkla+5atg@eGroups.com>

grannybat84112 
> > My local group of Potterheads has begun deciding
> > where and when to meet for the month, 
> 
> Local group of Potterheads? Now that sounds like
> something I should be a part of! If I may ask, how did
> you find your local group? Was it through the Meet-Up
> web site, a book store, or something you helped
> organize yourself? 

In the case of Mountainwest fans, Dicentra set up a Yahoogroup so we 
could plan meetings. The two of us had been corresponding for a while 
once I learned she lives just a few miles from me; I met her when a 
couple of fans from a town south of here dropped in a visit. (Amanda 
and Jen, Utah's answer to Gred and Forge.) Then Mary GrandPre, the 
illustrator of the American books, came to SLC to lecture at the 
library, and Dicey introduced us to several SugarQuillers, filk 
writers, and people she had met at the Nimbus convention. Salt Lake 
harbors a lot of fanfic writers for some reason.

I believe there's a link to local HP Yahoogroups on the HP4GU home 
page. (I'm sure one of the elves will correct me if I'm wrong.) All 
it takes is one person to start the ball rolling. 

You may discover more closet Potterites in your town than you think.

Granny





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul  9 17:43:20 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:43:20 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <ccmidh+7oc0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccmlfo+4uj8@eGroups.com>

Grannybat wrote:

> Traveling to Britain in just a year...<sigh>

Oho!  I'll note it in my diary!

David




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Jul  9 17:47:55 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:47:55 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_My_Spanish_skills_(was_DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN)?=
In-Reply-To: <ccm16c+j490@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccmlob+rsqk@eGroups.com>

> "davewitley" <dfrankiswork at n...> said:
> On the internet, however, there is a new proverb: 'Anything you say 
> today will be forgotten this evening, let alone tomorrow'.
> David

Alternatively, "Anything you say today will be taken out of context 
and flamed on every discussion group tomorrow." :)

(It's Friday--I'm outta here!)
MsTattersall




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 18:42:21 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:42:21 -0000
Subject: Small quirky things
Message-ID: <ccmoud+fraf@eGroups.com>

Two thoughts:

1. Let alone Mark Evans, but there go all my Gordon-theories, too!
(I'll bet there are people out there who had a Gordon theory or two up
their sleeves...) :)

2. I just read on FictionAlley (Title: The Tough Guide to Harry Potter
(3/24), Author name: Rugi and Gwena):

"COMMON ROOMS have unusual acoustics.  Conversations about Voldemort
or death eaters are always overheard.  However, those of a romantic
nature can be held without fear of eavesdropping.  They are also
apparently oddly shaped as they exhibit far too many corners (for the
purposes of kissing) to be a simple square or rectangular room.  But
then tourists know that several deranged architects designed Hogwarts.
 See privacy"

Right, so THAT's why my sweet love Cuaron made the Common Room and the
Dormitories octogonal! He reads fanfic too! :)

By the way, take a look at that fic! It's a sort of Encyclopaedia to
Potterfics, and really funny... 

Love, Alice




From lists at heidi8.com  Fri Jul  9 18:45:30 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:45:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Small quirky things
In-Reply-To: <ccmoud+fraf@eGroups.com>
References: <ccmoud+fraf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1089398737.2257534@r31.dngr.org>


On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 2:42pm, alice_loves_cats recced
> 2. I just read on FictionAlley (Title: The Tough Guide to Harry Potter
(3/24), Author name: Rugi and Gwena):
By the way, take a look at that fic! It's a sort of Encyclopaedia to
Potterfics, and really funny...

And here's the url: 
http://www.riddikulus.org/authorLinks/Rugi_and_Gwena/The_Tough_Guide_to_Harry_Potter/


Heidi



From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 21:07:42 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:07:42 -0000
Subject: On the Light Side
In-Reply-To: <20040709140503.23255.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccn1eu+tua9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...> 
wrote:
> 9July04
>  
> Here's a good riddle.  Heard it the other day from a neighbor's 
kid:
>  
> Draco put a really nasty spell on a Muggle kid.  The poor little 
Muggle was shut up in a room with no windows or doors and had 
absolutely no way to escape.  The only thing in the room was a table 
and a mirror.  The Muggle however DID get out.  How'd he do it?
>  
> Solution:  He looked in the mirror, saw what he saw, took the saw, 
cut the table in half.  Two halves make a (w)hole and he climed out 
the hole.
>  
> OK, OK, don't get too mad at me.
> Paula Gaon
> 
>*****\(@@)/*****

That is just too cute! Such a clever play on words!

Dudemom_2000

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul  9 22:41:34 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:41:34 -0000
Subject: Small quirky things
In-Reply-To: <1089398737.2257534@r31.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <ccn6uu+1d0e@eGroups.com>

Heidi recommended:

http://www.riddikulus.org/authorLinks/Rugi_and_Gwena/The_Tough_Guide_
to_Harry_Potter/

"Tourists curious about Snape's childhood will be delighted to hear 
that, although he is reluctant to speak of his youth, he will always 
eventually do so."

Why do I get the feeling that this will prove to be true of more 
than fanfic?

David




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 23:17:02 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:17:02 -0000
Subject: Alfonso's address
Message-ID: <ccn91e+jgd3@eGroups.com>

I already posted this question on the movie-list, but thought I would 
stand a better chance of finding someone who knows the answer if I 
posted here as well.

I want to sent Cuaron a letter and have two addresses. I don't know 
if either one is good at this point. One is for Leavesden Studio's--
and I have no reason to believe he's there, although someone there 
might be kind enough to forward a letter to Cuaron any mail. The 
other address is for Endeavor Agency in California, but I just read 
an article that said Alfonso would be following his agent to the 
William Morris Agency. In any case, that Endeavor Agency seems huge, 
perhaps mail gets lost more easily there, particularly if said 
director is no longer a client there...hm... I'd like your advice, or 
a third alternative. Anybody know of a foolproof address for Cuaron?

Sophia




From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 10 11:29:04 2004
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:29:04 -0400
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday
References: <1089447860.2395.96073.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c46671$1c6846b0$9d1bef04@CPQ16151965929>



Grannybat wrote:
> > > > Has anyone out there heard of any special events to celebrate
> > > > Harry's (and JKR's) birthday? Any rumors? Anything at all?
> > >
Annemehr:
> > > How about our own chat at HPfGU?
> > > We could sort of roleplay -- eat and drink WW food, play party
> > > games with wands, whatever.
> >
David:
> > Is SLC mountain time?  That would be 7 hours behind the UK,
> > HPFGU itself never sleeps, as the elves
> > who deal with the pending message queue will testify.
>
Annemehr again:
> Well, obviously it has to be during Harry's birthday in the UK.
> ...we just need the best time to include some 'waking hours'
> for most of us...

This might work if a couple of the SLC locals bring laptops to our
meet. Otherwise a lot of us won't have 'net access outside our own
homes (or offices). Since the whole point of a meet-up is to meet.


Dicentra said:
> > I think it would be really kewl if we HP fans figured
> > out a particular KIND of way to celebrate July 31st every
> > year, whether at a convention or in a local group.
> >
> > Anything clever that is fairly easy to implement, rooted in
> > canon, and that will attract the local TV stations' attention. :D
>
> > Oh, and that will become an international trend. No biggie.
>
Annemehr:
> How about something Jo would like? Say, on July 31 every year,
> everybody make a donation to your library in Harry's name? Books,
> tapes, money, whatever you can, with a note saying it's for his
> birthday.

Oh, I like this. Everybody come together in pointy hats at the
library for birthday cake, donations, and gift-wrapped socks.

Now where did I leave my list of media contacts.... ;)

Granny



Leeann Here:
    OK, anyone in the Philadelphia area? I would love to get together and
celebrate in some way.




From vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz  Sat Jul 10 11:37:51 2004
From: vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vinnia?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:37:51 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheering Charms Needed!!
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEIJDAAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040710113751.84004.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com>

"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)"
<n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote: 

> However, at this point, I've got everything running
> properly, more or less,
> and have only 700 posts to catch up on from all the
> lists I'm on...the main
> list, this one and the Battlestar and Ham Radio
> lists.  So, it's going to
> take a bit before I can properly respond to any of
> the thoughts and ideas
> out there. :-)

Vinnia:
I know this is a very late reply...but I had not been
online much in the past 10 days. If it makes you feel
any better, Lee, I still have 4013 emails to read from
the main list and otc. However, I'm deeply depressed
at the moment, so I guess checking 4013 emails is a
good distraction. Stops me from bursting into tears
every 5 minutes, at least.

> Oh--yeah--I didn't even have any chocolate in the
> house to help me over the
> humps! How ghastly!
> 
> So, cheering charms, butter beer, pumpkin pasties
> and, of course, some
> Honeydukes chocolate always welcome. <Grin>

Vinnia:
I do have some chocolate, but don't really feel like
eating anything. So yeah...I need a cheering charm...a
huge dose of it actually....

Hope the rest of you have a better day than mine


Vinnia

Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com



From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Sat Jul 10 11:43:51 2004
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (SongBird3411 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:43:51 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_My_Spanish_skills_(was_DO_NOT=A0DISTURB_SIGN)?=
In-Reply-To: <ccm16c+j490@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccokpn+4i2b@eGroups.com>

David wrote:
> If you have a Windows computer, there is a program (usually to be 
> found in the Accessories menu in the Programs menu of the Start 
> button) called Character Map.  This contains symbols, such as ?,   
> not on the keyboard. [snip] However, my appreciation of the meaning 
> of 'ma?ana' to Spanish speakers is really rather limited.  

Ah!  Thanks!  I never fully explored Windows XP when I upgraded.  
Nice to know where that character map is!  (I am still in denial 
about having Windows since I desperately want a Mac.)

Well, my idiomatic Spanish isn't as good as my scholarly Spanish.  
(Sadly.)  But, yes.  Ma?ana does have that fatalistic quility to it 
when used as a full phrase.  Yes, that will get done ma?ana.  When, 
or if, it will actually get done is a matter of speculation.  The 
word by itself literally means "tomorrow".  Used as a 
phrase, "tomorrow" becomes some indeterminate point in the future.

At least that is what I think.  As I said, my idiomatic Spanish is 
not nearly as good as my academic Spanish.  So, I could be a little 
off.

Thanks again for the instructions on getting to the character map.  
Greatly appreciated.  Ooh, it is almost like a new toy.  ;)

Mindy




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 10 13:38:49 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Parties for Harry's Birthday? <sob>
In-Reply-To: <ccmidh+7oc0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040710133849.39263.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>

--- grannybat84112 <grannybat at hotmail.com> wrote: > >
>> > 
> 
> Alas, it's not possible. Amused and delighted though
> I am that so 
> many Snape panels have blossomed since the first
> Nimbus convention, 
> the state of my economy does not allow for travel in
> the near future.
> 
Amazing, isn't it, how we just can't stop talking
about Snape? <vbg>

> I assume Convention Alley isn't encouraging people
> to drop in for 
> Harry's birthday party because the registration is
> sold out?
> 
It would be nice for us if I could say that we were
sold out. However, it's nice for all the list members
that I can say we're not. Not yet, at least. :-)
>  
> > And if you want to make early plans for Harry's
> birthday in 2005, 
> > then Accio UK is being held on the weekend of 29th
> July to - guess 
> > what - 31st July 2005
> > 
> > Pip!Squeak
> 
Grannybat:
> Traveling to Britain in just a year...<sigh>
> 
Sheryll:

I'm hoping to win the lottery and make it Accio. I
know it's going to be wonderful event and I'd dearly
love to be there for it!

Sheryll

=====
Follow me to Convention Alley...
http://www.conventionalley.org/
http://www.livejournal.com/community/conventionalley/
http://www.cafeshops.com/conalley 



______________________________________________________________________ 
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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sat Jul 10 17:19:28 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:19:28 -0000
Subject: Edinburgh & JKR
Message-ID: <ccp8f0+bjhq@eGroups.com>


New info  on JKR's site, posted today (10th)

She's appearing at the Edinburgh Book Festival in Aug., doing
readings, answering questions. 

The audience will be small and tickets will be allocated by ballot.

Kneasy




From janedeau at mac.com  Sat Jul 10 19:40:24 2004
From: janedeau at mac.com (msjanedeau)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:40:24 -0000
Subject: Britishism - "carelessly"
Message-ID: <ccpgn8+83ba@eGroups.com>

I was wondering the meaning of a phrase I have read by British authors. 

"... he said carelessly."

And example would be:

 "I've got two names," said Christopher Robin carelessly.

??What does in mean in Brit-speak to say something carelessly? It is not so=
mething we say 
or write in America much.

Thank you
Jane Deau





From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 10 20:22:36 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:22:36 -0000
Subject: The door will open on...
Message-ID: <ccpj6c+ls19@eGroups.com>

I just had a thought while I was visiting the JKR site: Wouldn't it 
be appropriate, even plausible, that the Door should open on 
Rowling's/Harry's birthday?

Sophia




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 10 21:03:41 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:03:41 -0000
Subject: Small quirky things
In-Reply-To: <ccmoud+fraf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccpljd+hfs0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats"
<hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:

<< 1. Let alone Mark Evans, but there go all my Gordon-theories, too!
(I'll bet there are people out there who had a Gordon theory or two up
their sleeves...) :) >>

I don't recall hearing any Gordon theories, but I vaguely recall a
Madam Marsh theory or two ... 




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jul 10 21:55:50 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:55:50 -0000
Subject: Britishism - "carelessly"
In-Reply-To: <ccpgn8+83ba@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccpol6+qt3k@eGroups.com>

Jane Deau:
> I was wondering the meaning of a phrase I have read by British 
authors. 
> 
> "... he said carelessly."
> 
> And example would be:
> 
>  "I've got two names," said Christopher Robin carelessly.
> 
> ??What does in mean in Brit-speak to say something carelessly? It 
is not so=
> mething we say 
> or write in America much.
> 

I think it means "casually". In this case it indicates that 
Christopher Robin is actually rather making a point of having two 
names - it's something he's rather proud of - but he's just dropping 
it casually into the conversation as if it doesn't matter. It often 
indicates a false modesty.

~Eloise




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 10 22:00:37 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:00:37 -0000
Subject: Rules and History of Dueiling.
Message-ID: <ccpou5+pvbq@eGroups.com>

It's amazing what you learn when you are an obssessed Potter-head.

This exchange recently occured in the main group and got me wondering-

From:  "delwynmarch" <delwynmarch at y...>
Date:  Sat Jul 10, 2004  4:24 pm
Subject:  Re: James the Berk?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/105519
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
> Valky wrote :
> I am only pointing out that James drew the line at killing or
> actually physically harming him but it is likely, very likely that
> Snape didn't. Even after Snape did throw the curse that cut his
> face, FROM BEHIND, he did not retaliate he humiliated.

Del replies :
It's *James* that broke the rules of fair duelling : he didn't let his
opponent get into position before attacking *2 on 1* AND *without
provocation* - that makes THREE serious breaches in the rules of fair
duelling. After that, I don't see how anyone can blame Snape for not
following those rules either : he was just following James's lead.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

So, what are the fair rules of Dueling, you ask? ...what? You didn't
ask? Well, I never let that stop me before.

Courtesy of Public Broadcasting (PBS) - the American Experience-

25 Rules for Fair and Proper Dueling-
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/sfeature/rulesofdueling.html

The History of Dueling in America-
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/sfeature/dueling.html

For what it's worth, I am a firm believer in the continuation of the
DA Club in the next book with ALL Houses invited, and I expect to see
some very interesting Dueling going on. Example: Neville vs Draco;
winner Neville.

Just passsing it along.

Steve/asian_lovr2





From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jul 10 22:26:52 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:26:52 -0000
Subject: Special characters
In-Reply-To: <ccokpn+4i2b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccpqfc+m55q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, SongBird3411 at a... wrote:
> David wrote:
> > If you have a Windows computer, there is a program (usually to be 
> > found in the Accessories menu in the Programs menu of the Start 
> > button) called Character Map.  

You can also invoke the diacritical marks by using the ALT key and the
numbers key pad (not the numbers along the top of the keyboard). In
the lower-right corner of the character map it tells you the
ALT+number combination for that character.  (I keep a list of the
Spanish diacriticals taped to my monitor).

For example, while pressing the ALT key, type in 0241 to get ?. 

Other characters:

0225 = ?
0233 = ?
0237 = ?
0243 = ?
0250 = ?
0191 = ?

If you want the grave accents, use the next number down, e.g., 0224 = ?

If you're lucky enough to use WordPerfect, you can program your ALT
and CTRL keys to get whichever characters you want, which is *way*
faster than using Word's drop-down menu or the character map.

--Dicentra





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Jul 10 22:38:37 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:38:37 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Special characters
In-Reply-To: <ccpqfc+m55q@eGroups.com>
References: <ccokpn+4i2b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40F0FC8D.27282.13F002@localhost>

On 10 Jul 2004 at 22:26, Dicentra spectabilis wrote:

> If you're lucky enough to use WordPerfect, you can program your ALT
> and CTRL keys to get whichever characters you want, which is *way*
> faster than using Word's drop-down menu or the character map.

You can do this with Word as well. Use the Insert - Symbol command 
and when the character chart comes up, select the character you 
want and press the Shortcut Key button - and then use the ALT and 
CTRL keys to setup what you want. From then on, just use them.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jul 10 22:48:53 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:48:53 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday/ HPfGU Regional Lists
In-Reply-To: <000a01c46671$1c6846b0$9d1bef04@CPQ16151965929>
Message-ID: <ccprol+gpaa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Leeann McCullough"
<libtax10375 at e...> wrote:

> OK, anyone in the Philadelphia area? I would love to get together and
> celebrate in some way.

There doesn't appear to be a regional group for that area (there's a
DC list and an NY list), so I don't know where to point you.

If you'd like, you can create a YahooGroup called HPfGU-Pennsylvania
or whatever and recruit HPfGUers to join it.  If you want to go that
route, contact me off-list and I'll tell you how to get started.

To find other HPfGU regional lists, go to the Links section of the
main list and click on the "Regional HPfGU Lists" folder.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/links

David:
Is SLC mountain time? That would be 7 hours behind the UK, where I
am. EDT is 5 hours behind. 


Yup, we's at -0700 GMT.  Would a real-time event be a good idea?  I
mean, it's intriguing in a way, but the logistics sound a bit hard. 
We could also set a fixed time so that the event happens once every
hour in each succeeding time zone, similar to how OoP went on sale at
midnight local time.  Like doing the wave!

The trouble is, Harry's canonical birthdays have all been such
non-events.  Maybe we could just sit under the stairs of our
respective houses and be miserable?

On the phone last night, Grannybat and I thought that maybe one
essential element to all of the parties could be a boxed chocolate
birthday cake with "Happy Birthday Harry" written in green icing.  The
box judiciously squashed, of course.  Optional: misspell the words in
homage to the movie.

Thirty points to your house if you can get a giant, an owl, or a
brightly colored tropical bird to fly it through the window.

--Dicentra, whose home has no stairs




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 00:05:39 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:05:39 -0000
Subject: Special characters - Character Map
In-Reply-To: <ccpqfc+m55q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccq08j+4f47@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dicentra spectabilis"
<dicentra at x> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, SongBird3411 at a... wrote:
> > David wrote:
> > > If you have a Windows computer, there is a program (usually to 
> > > be found in the Accessories menu in the Programs menu of the 
> > > Start > button) called Character Map.  

> --Dicentra:
> 
> You can also invoke the diacritical marks by using the ALT key and
> the numbers key pad 
> 
> For example, while pressing the ALT key, type in 0241 to get ?. 
> 
> Other characters:
> 
> 0225 = ?
> 0233 = ?
> 0237 = ?
> 0243 = ?
> 0250 = ?
> 0191 = ?
> 
> If you want the grave accents, use the next number down, 
> e.g., ALT+0224 = ?
> 
> ...
> 
> --Dicentra

Asian_lovr:

Character Map isn't always install, although it most often is install
on all Windows computers.

One important factor is to use the correct Font. Most likely that
Character Font in the messages for Web access to mesage reading is
some type of fixed width Courier font. Make sure Character Map is set
to display that font.

In your Browser setup, preferences, or tools menu is a place to set
the fonts.

Follow this sequence of menues to find the Character Map...
[Start] button then [Programs] [Accessories] then Character Map will
either be there or in the next [System Tools] menu.

Selecting Character Map will bring up a grid of Font. On the top right
will be the name of the font being displayed, it should be a basic
text font like Courier New.

Select any character with your mouse pointer and the bottom right of
the Character Map program will display the keystroke combination to
produce that character. British Pound = ALT+0163 = ?

While holding down the ALT key, press the number combination on the
Numeric Keypad. After entering the final number, release the ALT key
and the character will appear.

The alternate method is to select the character in the Maps by double
clicking it. That character will no appear in a small text box on the
top right. Now select the [Copy] button and the character will be
moved to the 'clipboard' which is where all 'cut and paste' is
temporarily stored.

Now move back to your editing program, and use the CTRL+V key or
right-click [Paste] combination to paste that selected letter into
your file.

If you are using a word processor, note MS-Outlook frequently used
Word for it's editor, or another email editing program, select
[Insert] from the menu at the top, and then depending on the program
you can insert special characters or symbols.

I always post in the group Web forum, so I frequently use the
Character Map, but my email program (Mozilla) does have a feature for
inserting special characters.

NOTE: Those accent and other special characters are NOT in every set
of fonts. They are there in most Common Font sets but if you are using
some fancy artsy-fartsy font in your email program,
wordprocessor/editor, or browser, the characters may not display
correctly. 

Just passing it along.

Steve/asian_lovr2









From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 02:40:13 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 02:40:13 -0000
Subject: No Parties for Harry's Birthday/ HPfGU Regional Lists
In-Reply-To: <ccprol+gpaa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccq9ad+badh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dicentra spectabilis"
<dicentra at x> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Leeann McCullough"
> <libtax10375 at e...> wrote:
> 
> > OK, anyone in the Philadelphia area? I would love to get together and
> > celebrate in some way.
> 
> There doesn't appear to be a regional group for that area (there's a
> DC list and an NY list), so I don't know where to point you.
> 
> If you'd like, you can create a YahooGroup called HPfGU-Pennsylvania
> or whatever and recruit HPfGUers to join it.  If you want to go that
> route, contact me off-list and I'll tell you how to get started.

Annemehr:

I'm in Pittsburgh! :)

I can't go anywhere on the 31st this year, but I'd join a PA group and
maybe do something another time.

 
> The trouble is, Harry's canonical birthdays have all been such
> non-events.  Maybe we could just sit under the stairs of our
> respective houses and be miserable?

We just recently got a cupboard under our stairs -- the basement ones,
complete with spiders!

Annemehr
up for celebrating




From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Jul 11 05:19:22 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:19:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Perils of Florida drivers
Message-ID: <1166.4.47.27.203.1089523162.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

I'm reading this message about almost getting into a serious car accident
on a Florida highway.  I'm glad all in the vehicle aren't hurt.  However,
the post then ended with a reference to introspection.

And I have a flashback to my sister.

My sister got into a very nasty car crash on a Florida highway.  To give
you an idea, she was the driver (US, so steering wheel is on the left) but
her right collarbone got cracked from the *passenger* door; half the car
was crushed to her side.  They had to work at removing her from the
vehicle, her heart did stop, she 'died', Bayflight's helicopter had to be
brought in, and they successfully resuscitated her.

Afterwards, she was like 'I saw our grandparents' and I'm like 'they're
dead, been dead for years'.  Like a badly remade scene out of Sixth Sense,
"I see dead people."  My sister's version of introspection, leading to a
want for redemption, was trying to make peace with folks... BWAHAHA!  For
a family line that had a blending of Christian/Jewish/Buddhist, my sister
and I are the least religious.  Suffice it to say, she doesn't do 'making
peace' well and made her family think the lack of blood to the brain did
something bad.

As for my appreciation of life... I was walking back home from attending
day classes, then work, and then more evening classes.  It was eleven at
night and some guy comes out of the dark and says he'll shoot me if I
don't hand over my purse.  I'm thinking 'I have the flu, I'm PMSing, and
I'm tired - shoot me and put me out of my misery', so I roll my eyes, get
a pissy expression, and walk past the guy.  The guy thought I was insane
and backed away.  Evidently, insanity runs in the family.

If there is a God, He has a twisted sense of humour.

Dina




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jul 11 15:02:38 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 11 Jul 2004 15:02:38 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1089558158.37.49372.m17@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, July 11, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jul 11 17:11:39 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:11:39 -0500
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
Message-ID: <000901c4676a$21ae93a0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

A slightly dazed and confused Iggy the Elf wanders into the room wearing
lime green socks and a bright yellow vest with multicolored spots that he
wears over his List-Elf uniform.  He pushes before him a large, wheeled cart
bearing a large and garishly decorated cake done in a cacophony of colors,
and topped with a multitude of sparklers rather than candles.  Next to the
cake is an enormous tub of ice cream with what appears to be many flavors
swirled together.   Underneath the food, on the shelf below, is a pile of
crackers. all with special prizes inside.



Following him is a group of tiny Brownies in small band uniforms, bearing
instruments, and playing a raucus version of what you can only assume is
"Happy Birthday" horribly off key... although you have to give them credit
for their joyous attempt at the song.



Looking around the room, he waves a hand and magically causes a large stack
of plates and forks to appear on a nearby table, and streamers to deck the
walls and ceiling... no two streamers the same color.



This bizarre looking List Elf gives a satisfied nod, and pulls a scroll out
of his sick, unrolling it to read rather loudly:



*ahem*  "It is both my pleasure and regret to announce that mohammedi
(violettaprimrose at hotmail.com) has become one year older in this life.  A
pleasure, because we take the time to honor one of our members becoming one
year older and, hopefully, one year wiser.  A regret because I, most
unfortunately, am a day late in delivering this announcement and will soon
be punishing myself for it in a most horrible way.  (I hate baths. ugh.)



"Let us all take a moment to wish her a happy birthday. although we should
remember to do so via an owl directly to her.  And all should raise a drink
in honor of such an occasion."



With that, he raises a small glass of pumpkin juice and downs it quickly
before heading off for his punishment. leaving the noisy band of Brownies
behind to entertain everyone.





Iggy McSnurd,

Interim Birthday Elf









From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Jul 11 17:53:27 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (haraheart)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:53:27 -0000
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <000901c4676a$21ae93a0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <ccruqn+7474@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:

> "Let us all take a moment to wish her a happy birthday. although we 
should
> remember to do so via an owl directly to her.  And all should raise 
a drink
> in honor of such an occasion."

Do we all get birthday greetings?  If so you all might like to know 
its my birthday on Tuesday July 13th and I shall be 32 years young
Sarah xx
(awaiting with bated breath the hundreds of birthday owls to come ...)




From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sun Jul 11 20:55:51 2004
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:55:51 -0000
Subject: Britishism - "carelessly"
In-Reply-To: <ccpol6+qt3k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccs9gn+sj97@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eloise_herisson" 
<eloiseherisson at a...> wrote:
> Jane Deau:
> > I was wondering the meaning of a phrase I have read by British 
> authors. 
> > 
> > "... he said carelessly."
> > 
> > And example would be:
> > 
> >  "I've got two names," said Christopher Robin carelessly.
> > 
> > ??What does in mean in Brit-speak to say something carelessly? It 
> is not so=
> > mething we say 
> > or write in America much.

~Eloise:
> I think it means "casually". In this case it indicates that 
> Christopher Robin is actually rather making a point of having two 
> names - it's something he's rather proud of - but he's just  
> dropping it casually into the conversation as if it doesn't matter. 
> It often indicates a false modesty.
 
Geoff:
More generally, "unconcernedly", "without much 
attention", "negligently". As Eloise has said, it's often a throwaway 
line.




From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Jul 11 21:54:14 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:54:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Harry Potter... vibrator?
Message-ID: <4949.4.47.27.253.1089582854.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Am amused.

Read the 'customer' comments.  The link is long and some software may
break it.  Simply make sure the entire link is in the navigation 'box',
and if not, copy and paste.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005NEBW/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-6693963-1118413?v=glance&s=toys&vi=customer-reviews&me=A3UN6WX5RRO2AG


Dina

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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 00:17:25 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:17:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <ccruqn+7474@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040712001725.43878.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>

--- haraheart <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
> <CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> 
> > "Let us all take a moment to wish her a happy birthday. although we 
> should
> > remember to do so via an owl directly to her.  And all should raise 
> a drink
> > in honor of such an occasion."
> 
> Do we all get birthday greetings?  If so you all might like to know 
> its my birthday on Tuesday July 13th and I shall be 32 years young
> Sarah xx
> (awaiting with bated breath the hundreds of birthday owls to come ...)
> 
> 
Another July baby here!  On the 18th, I'll be (shhhhh!!) 39.   And since I
absolutely refuse to turn 40, I plan on celebrating my 39th birthday for
many more years to come!  :)

Marita


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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 03:57:46 2004
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:57:46 -0000
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <20040712001725.43878.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cct27q+ds89@eGroups.com>

I don't know what's happened to the previous two posters who admitted
how old they were... but they or anyone else can force the birthday
elf/elves to bake them a cake and bring out the decorations by heading
on over to the main list (on the website, that is), clicking
"database" on the left-hand side, and then clicking on the birthday
database.  Just "enter new record", and there ya go!  A guaranteed
chance to get e-cards and not have to worry about *real* cake
calories!

-Jen, who's turning the big 3-0 next year...




From captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au  Mon Jul 12 07:41:57 2004
From: captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au (captain_suburbia)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:41:57 -0000
Subject: Small quirky things
In-Reply-To: <ccmoud+fraf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cctfc5+18hg@eGroups.com>


> 
> 2. I just read on FictionAlley (Title: The Tough Guide to Harry Potter
> (3/24), Author name: Rugi and Gwena):
> 
> "COMMON ROOMS have unusual acoustics.  Conversations about Voldemort
> or death eaters are always overheard.  However, those of a romantic
> nature can be held without fear of eavesdropping.  They are also
> apparently oddly shaped as they exhibit far too many corners (for the
> purposes of kissing) to be a simple square or rectangular room.  But
> then tourists know that several deranged architects designed Hogwarts.
>  See privacy"
> 
> Right, so THAT's why my sweet love Cuaron made the Common Room and the
> Dormitories octogonal! He reads fanfic too! :)
> 
> By the way, take a look at that fic! It's a sort of Encyclopaedia to
> Potterfics, and really funny... 
> 
> Love, Alice

Thanks so much for directing us to that Encyclopaedia, Alice.  **VERY
amusing!** It had me sitting here laughing out loud to myself for
quite some time.  Recommended reading!

Burbs




From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 09:43:33 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:43:33 -0000
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <cct27q+ds89@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cctmg5+hn94@eGroups.com>

"Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> I don't know what's happened to the previous two posters who admitted
> how old they were... but they or anyone else can force the birthday
> elf/elves to bake them a cake and bring out the decorations by heading
> on over to the main list (on the website, that is), clicking
> "database" on the left-hand side, and then clicking on the birthday
> database.  Just "enter new record", and there ya go!  A guaranteed
> chance to get e-cards and not have to worry about *real* cake
> calories!

Well I tried to enter myself under September 4th, but was refused
permission.

So I don't know whethter the appropriate elves are reading this, but I
hope they are ...
-- 
Phil




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 07:40:01 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:40:01 -0000
Subject: Edinburgh & JKR
In-Reply-To: <ccp8f0+bjhq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cctf8h+itmq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> New info  on JKR's site, posted today (10th)
> 
> She's appearing at the Edinburgh Book Festival in Aug., doing
> readings, answering questions. 
> 
> The audience will be small and tickets will be allocated by ballot.
> 
> Kneasy




I have sent off my ballot.  I live a few hundred miles away 
(Leicestershire) but I have some time off in August and it would be 
an honour to represent HPfGU!! (Not to mention a thrill to meet JKR 
herself, not just for me but for my children too!) I think that it 
would be a small miracle if I get through though and encourage all 
those that are able to make it to Edinburgh on the 14/15th August to 
send in their ballots too.  Go to www.bloomsbury.com and print off 
the application form. That will increase the chances of someone from 
HPfGU getting through.

Cheers for the heads up Kneasy as I was away for the weekend and 
don't visit JKR's site every day and prob would have missed it!!

Aggie





From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Mon Jul 12 11:30:25 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:30:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter... vibrator?
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15CEAE20@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,
 
Dina pointed us to:
>>>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005NEBW/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_
1/002-6693963-1118413?v=glance&s=toys&vi=customer-reviews
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005NEBW/ref=cm_cr_dp_2
_1/002-6693963-1118413?v=glance&s=toys&vi=customer-reviews>  <<<
 
That's hilarious. The first time I saw this kind of review was for a
kid's book about a Penguin "The Story About Ping", but unlike Dina's
example it is only funy if you've used Unix. Check out:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140502416/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_
1/104-7535322-9832755?v=glance&s=books&vi=customer-reviews 
http://tinyurl.com/57ctb
for the review starting "Using deft allegory, the authors have provided
an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable
networking utilities". It has a staggering 6776 of 6969 readers who
found it a useful review!
 
Cheers,
 
Dumbledad.


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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 12 12:14:24 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:14:24 -0000
Subject: A call to arms
Message-ID: <cctvb0+tkv5@eGroups.com>

Dear yahoo-group members!

Leaky has an aritcle up on the practice in some parts of the Czech 
republic of "caging" children with disabilites. It has come to the 
attention of J.K. Rowling who immediately wrote a letter to a Czech 
government official. On the thread of comments attached to this item 
on Leaky, it ahs been proposed that we try and write the Czech 
embassies of our countries respectively to condemn this inhumane 
treatment of children. I encourage you all to head on over to Leaky, 
read the article and the comments of TLC supporters. Public opinion 
can be a powerful thing. Let's do what we can to influence the 
situation.

Sophia




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 13:02:11 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:02:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <cctmg5+hn94@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040712130211.4407.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Boswell <phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >
"Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> > I don't know what's happened to the previous two
> posters who admitted
> > how old they were... but they or anyone else can
> force the birthday
> > elf/elves to bake them a cake and bring out the
> decorations by heading
> > on over to the main list (on the website, that
> is), clicking
> > "database" on the left-hand side, and then
> clicking on the birthday
> > database.  Just "enter new record", and there ya
> go!  A guaranteed
> > chance to get e-cards and not have to worry about
> *real* cake
> > calories!
> 
> Well I tried to enter myself under September 4th,
> but was refused
> permission.
> 
> So I don't know whethter the appropriate elves are
> reading this, but I
> hope they are ...
> -- 
Indeed, the Birthday Elvses are paying attention!

I've entered the birthdays for everyone who chimed in
here into the database. If anyone else wishes to be
added, just let me know. 

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping out of sabbatical to
do the updates

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From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Mon Jul 12 14:28:38 2004
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (ms_tamany)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:28:38 -0000
Subject: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712130211.4407.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccu76m+1127k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:


> 
> I've entered the birthdays for everyone who chimed in
> here into the database. If anyone else wishes to be
> added, just let me know. 
> 
> Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping out of sabbatical to
> do the updates


Okay, here's my birthdate, then -- January 28.  I'll be 40.

---
***
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 14:58:18 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <ccu76m+1127k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040712145818.41358.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>

--- ms_tamany <ms-tamany at rcn.com> wrote: > --- In
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll
> Townsend 
> <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > I've entered the birthdays for everyone who chimed
> in
> > here into the database. If anyone else wishes to
> be
> > added, just let me know. 
> > 
> > Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping out of
> sabbatical to
> > do the updates
> 
> 
> Okay, here's my birthdate, then -- January 28.  I'll
> be 40.
> 
> ---
> ***
> Tammy Rizzo
> ms-tamany at rcn.com
> 
I've added yours in, Tammy.

Anyone else? :-D

Sheryll

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Mon Jul 12 15:48:48 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:48:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A (Late) Birthday Wish
References: <ccruqn+7474@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c46827$dccef360$6601a8c0@DocSavage>


> Do we all get birthday greetings?  If so you all might like to know
> its my birthday on Tuesday July 13th and I shall be 32 years young
> Sarah xx
> (awaiting with bated breath the hundreds of birthday owls to come ...)

Iggy here:

Ig you go to the main newsgroup, you can enter your birthday into the
database.  (I will, however, enter your b-day into my records, since I am
the b-day elf for that day.)

Iggy McSnurd






From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Jul 12 15:57:51 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:57:51 -0000
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <000a01c46827$dccef360$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <ccucdv+m5ed@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" < (I will, 
however, enter your b-day into my records, since I am
> the b-day elf for that day.)
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
Do you know, everyone is so nice here.  Thank you
Sarah xx




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 16:10:25 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:10:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]  The Wizard World NOT a nice place
In-Reply-To: <c6r8j6+5cas@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040712161025.63826.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>




I was Writing an answer to a review of one of my stories on FF.net . I had just had DM taken into custody on the Veritaserum extracted word of LM after the battle in the MoM and I was told that I can't do that.

This got me thinking and now I come to the point.

The MoM sent Sirius to Azkaban for life without a trial, probably without even talking to him.

Fudge had Barty Crouch effectively murdered (Dementors Kiss) without even speaking to him then spent a year denying the return of Voldemort. So what did Dumbledore say about it,  "now he can't testify."  There was no question as to whether it was within Fudge's authority to do this, ergo I assume that it is within his remit.

There are possibly others but these two will do, it's just that I find this a bit scary. 

 

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From lists at heidi8.com  Mon Jul 12 16:13:29 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:13:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Wizard World NOT a nice place
In-Reply-To: <20040712161025.63826.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20040712161025.63826.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f80407120913143fdb19@mail.gmail.com>

Udder Pen Dragon wrote: 
<<I was Writing an answer to a review of one of my stories on FF.net .
I had just had DM taken into custody on the Veritaserum extracted word
of LM after the battle in the MoM and I was told that I can't do that.

This got me thinking and now I come to the point.

The MoM sent Sirius to Azkaban for life without a trial, probably
without even talking to him.

Fudge had Barty Crouch effectively murdered (Dementors Kiss) without
even speaking to him then spent a year denying the return of
Voldemort. So what did Dumbledore say about it,  "now he can't
testify."  There was no question as to whether it was within Fudge's
authority to do this, ergo I assume that it is within his remit.

There are possibly others but these two will do, it's just that I find
this a bit scary. >>


Susan Hall presented a paper on this exact issue at Nimbus - 2003 last
year, and if you keep your eye on http://www.hp2003.org this week,
you'll find out how to order a copy of the Nimbus - 2003 proceedings
on CDRom or book, so you can read, among other things, her take on the
enormous problems with the wizarding world's legal system.

Heidi (who's also a lawyer, and finds this issue fascinating)



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jul 12 16:27:20 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:27:20 -0000
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <000a01c46827$dccef360$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <ccue58+heg0@eGroups.com>

Iggy:

> Ig you go to the main newsgroup, you can enter your birthday into 
the
> database.  (I will, however, enter your b-day into my records, 
since I am
> the b-day elf for that day.)

No, that's the point: for security reasons we can't - that's why we 
have to mail the owner account, or mention it here.

David




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 16:28:13 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:28:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Wizard World NOT a nice place
In-Reply-To: <5913e6f80407120913143fdb19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040712162813.58101.qmail@web25303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



Heidi <lists at heidi8.com> wrote:
Udder Pen Dragon wrote: 
<I had just had DM taken into custody on the Veritaserum extracted word
of LM after the battle in the MoM and I was told that I can't do that.

This got me thinking and now I come to the point.

The MoM sent Sirius to Azkaban for life without a trial, probably
without even talking to him.

Fudge had Barty Crouch effectively murdered (Dementors Kiss) without
even speaking to him then spent a year denying the return of
Voldemort. So what did Dumbledore say about it, "now he can't
testify." There was no question as to whether it was within Fudge's
authority to do this, ergo I assume that it is within his remit.

There are possibly others but these two will do, it's just that I find
this a bit scary. >>


Susan Hall presented a paper on this exact issue at Nimbus - 2003 last
year, and if you keep your eye on http://www.hp2003.org this week,
you'll find out how to order a copy of the Nimbus - 2003 proceedings
on CDRom or book, so you can read, among other things, her take on the
enormous problems with the wizarding world's legal system.

Heidi (who's also a lawyer, and finds this issue fascinating)



Udderpd again

Thanks for the Information Heidi that was an instant reply. Do you always watch my posts that closely?

Bye again Udder PenDragon

 



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From lists at heidi8.com  Mon Jul 12 17:15:02 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:15:02 -0000
Subject: WIKKT and discussion groups
In-Reply-To: <ccm1vf+d8pb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccugum+l4mj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" wrote about 
WIKTT: 
> 
> It makes me idly wonder, what is the biggest Yahoogroup of them 
> all?  I doubt there's any easy way to find out and, given the 
> propensity of really large groups to self-destruct or run out of 
> steam under their own weight, it's probably changing all the time.

Well, ParadigmOfUncertainty has about 10,000 members now - although 
it's not very high-traffic these days, as there hasn't been a new 
chapter in a while. And FA's Chapter Owls list, which has about 5500 
members, is not a discussion list, so it's a little different. 

> 
> I suppose FA Park is the biggest Harry Potter discussion group?

Hmm. Well, if you count the Leaky Cauldron's comment feature, TLC is 
probably technically larger; we have about 6000 unique users in FAP 
each day, plus another 3000 (although there is probably some 
overlap) on ArtisticAlley - and we don't know how many we have on 
the fic side of things at all - but TLC can have about 30,000 unique 
users in a given day, if not more, which is more than FA, but 99.9 
of the TLC visitors don't post, whereas about 10% of FA's visitors 
post in the Park.

Mugglenet also has a lot of unique users, too, as does HPANA.com, 
and of course the Lexicon (although now that I think about it, 
Lexicon visitors might count towards TLC's total, as we're all on 
one server...).




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jul 12 17:16:25 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:16:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
References: <20040712145818.41358.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c46834$2ad1d800$bcde6251@kathryn>



> >
> I've added yours in, Tammy.
>
> Anyone else? :-D
>
> Sheryll
>

*raises hand*

May 12th

I seem to remember making a note to get my name added several months ago
when the database got corrupted or hacked or whatever happened to it.
However senility has obviously set in very early and it took seeing this
message to remember.

K




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jul 12 17:16:25 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:16:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
References: <20040712145818.41358.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007601c46834$01f30b70$bcde6251@kathryn>



> >
> I've added yours in, Tammy.
>
> Anyone else? :-D
>
> Sheryll
>

*raises hand*

May 12th

I seem to remember making a note to get my name added several months ago
when the database got corrupted or hacked or whatever happened to it.
However senility has obviously set in very early and it took seeing this
message to remember.

K




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jul 12 17:16:25 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:16:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
References: <20040712145818.41358.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201c46846$fc9c5600$bcde6251@kathryn>



> >
> I've added yours in, Tammy.
>
> Anyone else? :-D
>
> Sheryll
>

*raises hand*

May 12th

I seem to remember making a note to get my name added several months ago
when the database got corrupted or hacked or whatever happened to it.
However senility has obviously set in very early and it took seeing this
message to remember.

K




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 20:03:36 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: chat reminder?
In-Reply-To: <000201c46846$fc9c5600$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <20040712200336.83520.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm going to expose my ignorance here (so keep your eyes covered if you
don't want to see!), but I saw an email yesterday that had something to do
with a chat reminder?  I was going very quickly through a couple of days
worth of email so I didn't stop to read it very well and then deleted it
before I remembered I wanted to go back and pay closer attention to it.  

Is this a regular weekly chat?  How does it work?

Thanks very much in advance!

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From michel56 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 12 20:16:24 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:16:24 -0400
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
Message-ID: <003d01c4684d$1b639ca0$20abaa18@earthlink.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Sheryll Townsend 
> 
> 
I've added yours in, Tammy.

Anyone else? :-D

Sheryll

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 20:34:15 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:34:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4684d$1b639ca0$20abaa18@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040712203415.70922.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Michele <michel56 at earthlink.net> wrote: > 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Sheryll Townsend 
> > 
> > 
> I've added yours in, Tammy.
> 
> Anyone else? :-D
> 
> Sheryll
> 
> =====
> 
> Me! Me! (frantically waving from the back of the
> room)
> 
> Michele   
> October 3
> michel56 at earthlink.net
> 
I've added you in. 

Keep them coming, folks. We *like* to have parties!

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From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 20:38:56 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:38:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4684d$1b639ca0$20abaa18@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040712203856.1279.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



Michele <michel56 at earthlink.net> wrote:

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Sheryll Townsend 
> 
> 
I've added yours in, Tammy.

Anyone else? :-D

Sheryll

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From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 20:44:55 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:44:55 -0000
Subject: The Wizard World NOT a nice place
In-Reply-To: <20040712161025.63826.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccut87+3nie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon
<udderpd at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I was Writing an answer to a review of one of my stories on FF.net. 
> I had just had DM taken into custody on the Veritaserum extracted 
> word of LM after the battle in the MoM and I was told that I can't 
> do that.
> 
> This got me thinking and now I come to the point.
> 
> The MoM sent Sirius to Azkaban for life without a trial, probably
without even talking to him.
> 
> Fudge had Barty Crouch effectively murdered (Dementors Kiss) without
even speaking to him then spent a year denying the return of
Voldemort. So what did Dumbledore say about it,  "now he can't
testify."  There was no question as to whether it was within Fudge's
authority to do this, ergo I assume that it is within his remit.
> 
> There are possibly others but these two will do, it's just that I
find this a bit scary. 
> 
>  
> 
> TTFN   Udder PenDragon


Asian_lovr2:

I hear you asking several question, and I'm not sure which you intend
for us to respond to.

First, whether it is ethical or legal to use Veritaserum when
questioning criminal suspects?

We must remember that we have similar means available to us as
muggles. We have Sodium Pentothal better know as Truth Serum. We have
Lie Detector Machines. Yet the government is not allowed to use them
against suspects. First and foremost because it is a violation of
human rights. 

In the US and I assume under precedents in English Common Law, it is
the job of the government to prove we are guilty, not our job to prove
we are innocent. Also, by US Law and the Constitution, a suspect can
not be compelled to give testimony against himself.

The next problem is that these methods are not reliable. Lie Detectors
can be fooled by people who have no sense of right and wrong. A lie
only registers if you feel a certain amount of emotional guilt about
telling a lie. 

In addition, true and falsehoods are subjective. Truth, sadly, is not
alway absolute. Illustration- 

Question: Have you ever had sex with someone who was underage? 

This is very much like the question, 'have you stopped beating your
wife?' To say 'Yes', implies that you were beating her but quit. To
say 'No' implies that you are still beating her. 

Back to my actual question. In the context of a criminal
investigation, to say 'Yes' implies that you are quilty of a sex
crime. However, if you were 15 and were with a girl who was 15, then
to say 'No' is a lie. Lie Detector Machine don't allow room for
explanation or for fine distinctions.

In addition, and as could be the case with Veritaserum, it a person
believe something to be true, even though in reality it was false, the
Veritaserum, would register the /belief/ and not the absolute truth.
This is also true with muggle truth serum and lie detector machines. 

We know that the used of Veritaserum is strickly regulated by the
Ministry of Magic, and that implies by wizard's law, and we also know
thanks to Dumbledore that there is an equivalent of a Wizard's Bill of
Rights. Therefore, we can assume that the Ministry has definite
restrictions on the extent to which it can use Veritaserum.

Side Note: The thing I found the most frightening about the Wizengamot
court, is the assumption that the Court is a neutral unbiased advocate
for justice and truth. That would by extension imply that the court is
the advocate of the accused and is there to assure that the accused is
 given a fair and unbiased trial. Well, we see how that belief is
'fairytale' in the extreme. I was extremely bothered by the fact that
the accused was not /required/ to have his own personal truly neutral
advocate available to insure that the trial was indeed fair, and that
his right truly were protected. Imagine, Harry's hearing if Dumbledore
has not been there to protect him? That is truly scary.

As far as Fudge/The Minister and his authority, I think they are
operating under the same principle that guides the Wizard's Court as
described in the side note above. Since the Minster is a
representative of the people, by extension he is looking out for the
best interests of the people, and should have authority to act in that
best interest. In a perfect world that might work, but in a world of
power, corruption, greed, ego, insecurity, and desire, we can easily
see how hopelessly flawed the system is. 

In another side note, I will point out that this widely held belief
that the government is truly an advocate of the people and is looking
out for the best interest of the citizens, may be the reason why Percy
so readily sided with Fudge in the matter of Voldemort's return. He
could have been sway by youthful idealizm and faith in the system.

And, you are right, it is a bit scary.

Steve/asian_lovr2









From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 20:51:33 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <007601c46834$01f30b70$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <20040712205133.72627.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Kathryn Cawte <kcawte at ntlworld.com> wrote: > 
> 
> > >
> > I've added yours in, Tammy.
> >
> > Anyone else? :-D
> >
> > Sheryll
> >
> 
> *raises hand*
> 
> May 12th
> 
> I seem to remember making a note to get my name
> added several months ago
> when the database got corrupted or hacked or
> whatever happened to it.
> However senility has obviously set in very early and
> it took seeing this
> message to remember.
> 
> K
> 
You post way too often and intelligently to make me
believe that senility has set in. :-D

Nevertheless, I added you in. We celebrate birthdays
even when the recipients are too senile to notice us
eating all their cake. <vbeg>

Sheryll

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 20:53:34 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:53:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712203856.1279.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040712205334.9371.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>

--- udder_pen_dragon <udderpd at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > 
> 
> Michele <michel56 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Sheryll Townsend 
> > 
> > 
> I've added yours in, Tammy.
> 
> Anyone else? :-D
> 
> Sheryll
> 
> =====
> 
> Do you accept obselete old dingbat's
> 
> 7th March
> 
> Udderpd
> 
> udderpd at yahoo.co.uk
> 
We most certainly do! As one obsolete old ... to
another, I say, take the birthday cake and good wishes
wherever you can find them. <vbg>

Have added you to the database. 

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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 20:58:27 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:58:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] chat reminder?
In-Reply-To: <20040712200336.83520.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040712205827.62635.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm going to expose my ignorance here (so keep your
> eyes covered if you
> don't want to see!), 

Exposing mine as well, so you're not alone Marita!
 
> Is this a regular weekly chat?  How does it work?

I too am wondering how exactly to enter the chat,
since I'm not too familiar with how Yahoo chat works.
I know you have to type the "join" command, but what
chat room do you enter to do so?

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 21:34:58 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:34:58 -0000
Subject: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <20040705212859.1523.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccv062+nttr@eGroups.com>

> Carol wrote:

> 
> "...According to my theory, Lily's grandfather (who is, of course,
Harry's great-grandfather) is Mark Evans' great-grandfather, making
him and Harry second cousins..."
> 
> Paula now:
> 
> Good going Carol.  So, according to your theory, Dudley, as
Petunia's (Lily'sister) son has the same geneology, ie wizarding/squib
ancestory.  Could it be that Dudley has always been such a nasty
character bacause he resents being a squib seeing Harry do magic all
his life?

Carol again:
Well, as you know, my theory got blown to pieces by JKR herself. But
regarding Petunia and Dudley, I take JKR (or her narrator) at her word
that they're Muggles and nothing but--especially after the Mark Evans
fiasco. Also JKR said in a previous interview that Petunia is not a
witch, and by definition neither she nor Dudley can be a squib (the
nonmagical child of magical parents).

So, as I said on the main site, I'm confining my speculation to things
that have been left open--mostly Snape's backstory and motives and
what's up with Percy. Where we've been given apparently
straightforward information that doesn't seem to be subject to
distortion by Harry's POV (the Dursleys are Muggles, Sirius is really
dead, etc.), I'm willing to accept what I'm told at face value (for
the moment, at least!). 

For the record, I think the person who will perform magic late in life
is Mrs. Figg, who, unlike Petunia and Dudley, is indisputably a Squib
and indisputably advanced in years. Erg. I hate euphemisms. Make that
"indisputably old."

Carol




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 21:45:18 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:45:18 -0000
Subject: Redecorations by heading: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712130211.4407.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccv0pe+8qup@eGroups.com>


> Indeed, the Birthday Elvses are paying attention!
> 
> I've entered the birthdays for everyone who chimed in
> here into the database. If anyone else wishes to be
> added, just let me know. 
> 
> Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping out of sabbatical to
> do the updates
> 
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Hi Sheryll!!  Please Ms birthday elf, it's my birthday on 20th July 
and i'll be 31 this year.  Please add me to the list.  Thank you!

 
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 21:53:29 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:53:29 -0000
Subject: "Spotted" (Was: The Hungarian Tiger)
In-Reply-To: <cceehj+7vdg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccv18p+j2e8@eGroups.com>

Carolyn wrote:
> Oh Alice, Heidi just spotted the FAQ answer has gone up on the 
> site...<snip>

Carol:
Your wording here (in combination with the "it's not/it isn't"
question, which called attention to English idiom) leads me to wonder:
Can anyone think of an American "translation" for Hermione's "Oh, well
spotted!"? I love that line and can't think of an American equivalent
that would be anywhere near as effective. (I'm an American and I can't.)

Carol, who despite having a PhD in English (literature) also can't
answer the "it's not/it isn't" question without self-consciously
studying her own habits, which would ruin the "research"




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 22:10:08 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:10:08 -0000
Subject: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <20040706202935.88538.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccv280+8c9r@eGroups.com>

> Carol wrote:
> I've posted this theory several times to the main site. I think
Lily's parents are Muggles but her Grandpa Evans was a Squib passing
as a Muggle. <snip> Age ten? Evans? It can't be a coincidence. He has
to be a prospective Hogwarts student somehow related to Harry and
having a shared Squib relative (himself the child of a witch and a
wizard) in the family not many generations back ties up all the loose
ends for me.

kemper mentor wrote:
Carol, Did you read the answer to the FAQ at JKR's site?  All I can
say is 'Boo...'

Carol again:
Someone from the main site alerted me to the bad news and I vented my
anguish there. Oh, the humiliation! How dare she deceive us! and all
that. But after a second reading of her FAQ response, I loved its
self-deprecating humor and forgave her. I think (hope) she'll be
careful not to make a mistake of that kind again. But I admit to being
a bit less willing to explore odd clues now, or at least to get my
hopes up about them.

My condolences to you and Alice and anyone else who invested time and
effort in this theory. <sniff> (At least I'm not in on the Droobles
best blowing gum theory, which I think will be the next one to be popped.)

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 22:20:50 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:20:50 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <ccfnv5+g8ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccv2s2+rv4a@eGroups.com>

Sarah x wrote:
who is on the phone?  How do I answer it? and what is the 
significance of the watch face changing when Peeves strikes? Any?

Alora wrote:
That's JK Rowling (Jo)  calling!  Just hit the little phone when it 
rings and you can hear her say something

Annemehr wrote:
> You know, she *never* calls me. I'm afraid I'm going to have to
> rethink our relationship.
> 
> *pout*

Carol responds:
Actually, I was thinking of it the other way around. It's her desk and
her cell phone, and when we "answer" it, we get her voice answering
what appears to be *our* call, and hanging up on us! After
disappointing us with Mark Evans, too! I should stop visiting her
site. But then, I'd miss out on the news and spout faulty theories.
(Even more than I do already.)

Carol, joining annemehr in her pout session 




From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 22:39:26 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:39:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
Message-ID: <20040712223926.83970.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>

Suzanne here. I share my birthday with Hermione ...
September 19. I'll
be 54 my next birthday.

Suzanne

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sheryll Townsend [mailto:s_ings at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:58 AM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database
updates
> 
> 
> --- ms_tamany <ms-tamany at rcn.com> wrote: > --- In 
> HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll
> > Townsend
> > <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I've entered the birthdays for everyone who
chimed
> > in
> > > here into the database. If anyone else wishes to
> > be
> > > added, just let me know.
> > > 
> > > Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping out of
> > sabbatical to
> > > do the updates
> > 
> > 
> > Okay, here's my birthdate, then -- January 28. 
I'll
> > be 40.
> > 
> > ---
> > ***
> > Tammy Rizzo
> > ms-tamany at rcn.com
> > 
> I've added yours in, Tammy.
> 
> Anyone else? :-D
> 
> Sheryll
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 22:42:17 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:42:17 -0000
Subject: JKR's site (for newbies)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040707175830.039381b0@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <ccv449+10c3q@eGroups.com>

Marita wrote:
Now for the real question.....How the heck do you guys find all that
stuff on JR's website?  My mouse moves over portkeys that open to
other pages but .... scrapbook pages?  Watch faces that change?
Phone ringing?  Never happened!  Please do tell!

Phil answered:
Try:
http://www.potterskeys.com

Carol adds:
But it's much more fun to do it by yourself. All you have to do to get
the phone to ring is leave the main page up for awhile. When you click
on the little arrow key (I don't own a cell phone so I don't know what
it's called), she'll answer. Peeves will also come to any page if you
leave it up long enough (maybe fifteen minutes?). I like to open her
site in one window and leave it running while I post or surf or check
my e-mail in another window. When I hear a whoosh like a gust of wind,
I hurry and open up her site again so I can see the watch face change,
etc. If you hear Peeves cackle, you're probably too late to catch him
in action (or see that nasty bug that isn't the spider--is it a doxie?
crawl across the page), but you'll at least see the cup of pens he
knocked over (or the writing on the mirror or whatever). You don't
actually see Peeves, but you'll know when he's been there.

So for Peeves and the phone, just wait. It will happen. For the
scrapbook clues, if you haven't found them by clicking everything in
sight on her site or browsing the messages here, try Phil's
suggestion. Or round up the nearest ten-year-old and let him or her
play with JKR's site. (Hint: If you haven't caught the spider yet,
wait for him to pause and just wiggle his legs. Then click. Gotcha!)

Carol (in Tucson where the monsoon is about to hit)





From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Mon Jul 12 22:44:18 2004
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (Blair)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:44:18 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Anne!
Message-ID: <ccv482+6gfm@eGroups.com>

*Oryomai runs around, desperately trying to blow up balloons*

Hi everyone!  Today's guest of honor in the Room of Requirement 
Birthday Style is Anne Urbanski!  Yay!

Happy Birthday, Anne!

Birthday owls can be sent to her at: anneu53714 at yahoo.com 

Oryomai
Substitute Birthday Elf!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 22:55:03 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:55:03 -0000
Subject: newbie here!
In-Reply-To: <015a01c46472$3917ffe0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <ccv4s7+g3bp@eGroups.com>

June wrote:
<snip> I'm a transplanted North Carolinian
> living in the D.C. area, and I really do miss an honest-to-gosh soft
> Southern accent. 

Carol:
I lived briefly in North Carolina when I was a newlywed of twenty, so
long ago that I don't remember the name of the man I was married to
<joking!>. I do recall a few North Carolinaisms, though:

Heard on the radio: "Ya'll is jes' as sweet as a punkin' pah!"

Spoken by my supervisor on the phone after work: "All the folks lives
within hollerin' distance of the old home place."

Spoken by a friend of my then-husband's: "It don't make *me* no never
mind!"

As an Arizonan who didn't speak "Southern," I was of course a "Yankee"
even though Arizona was on the Confederate side in the sole Civil War
battle it fought (and lost). Too bad the rest of us are so much less
colorful in our language than those (apparently) undereducated
Southerners.

Carol, who has treasured these phrases for many years and appreciates
the chance to share them




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 23:08:44 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:08:44 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <ccif93+2qof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccv5ls+iuus@eGroups.com>

"leeannmccullough" wrote:
Ok, is it just me or does someone look odd in POA? Every scene with 
Malfoy had two sidekicks with him. But one of them looks different! 
I can't remember if it was Crabbe or Goyle that seemed to be 
missing, but one of them got fairly tall and ugly. I have searched 
everywhere I can think of and I keep comming up with the origonal 
two from SS. Someone let me know if it is early senility, I'm only 
40 for heaven sake.
 
aj responded:
Goyle is often replaced with another Slytherin boy in the movie.  I 
wondered at it too.  Someone asked people involved with the film 
about it, and it was just cited as 'another slytherin boy.'  Who 
knows, any clue?

Carol:
If the PoA film were by the book, the boy would have to be either Theo
Nott or Blaise Zabini, the only other male Slytherins in Harry's year
who have yet been identified. But the classes seem to be much larger
in the films than the books (and of course there's the class size
discrepancy between the first two books and OoP, the only books in
which numbers are mentioned, IIRC). I don't think the boy is Theo
Nott, who I'm hoping will play a larger role in HBP (not sure that I
dare trust the signs though, after Mark Evans). But since the
Hufflepuff seeker in Poa is not Cedric Diggory, I'm guessing that this
unnamed Slytherin boy is not Theo Nott. (Maybe he's one of the
Slytherin Quidditch team members?)

As someone else noted, it probably has more to do with Josh Herdman
(Gregory Goyle's) personal life interfering with his shooting schedule
than with changes to the plot line.

Speaking of Crabbe and Goyle, anyone have any ideas as to why Goyle
Sr. was apparently absent from the MoM in OoP? (I think he may have
been the baby-headed Death Eater, but I haven't checked the book to
see if that happens before or after Lucius Malfoy essentially calls
the roll of the DEs who are still active.)

Carol
 





From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Jul 12 23:22:54 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:22:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "Spotted" (Was: The Hungarian Tiger)
In-Reply-To: <ccv18p+j2e8@eGroups.com>
References: <cceehj+7vdg@eGroups.com> <ccv18p+j2e8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1363.4.12.232.28.1089674574.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

justcarol67 said:

> Can anyone think of an American "translation" for Hermione's "Oh, well
> spotted!"? I love that line and can't think of an American equivalent
> that would be anywhere near as effective. (I'm an American and I can't.)

"Oh, good catch!"

Maybe?

Dina




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 23:23:12 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:23:12 -0000
Subject: JKR's site (for newbies) (small correction)
In-Reply-To: <ccv449+10c3q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccv6h0+nnl4@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote:
<snip> All you have to do to get  the phone to ring is leave the main
page up for awhile. When you click  on the little arrow key (I don't
own a cell phone so I don't know what it's called), she'll answer. <snip>

Carol corrects herself, blushing:
Actually, it's a little image of a phone receiver. Still don't know
what it's called. Losing memory cells by the second here!

Carol, who just had a visit from Peeves and who can't hear a tune in
the bird's chirps (thank God!)




From Amber_Falls at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 23:29:18 2004
From: Amber_Falls at yahoo.com (Amber_ Falls)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:29:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712145818.41358.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040712232918.66157.qmail@web90009.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

--- Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I've added yours in, Tammy.
> 
> Anyone else? :-D
> 
> Sheryll
> 


*Raise hand*


Please, add mine, too. It's 30-10, I'll be 47 :D

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From esk at europa.com  Tue Jul 13 00:15:36 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:15:36 -0000
Subject: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712145818.41358.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccv9j8+qjr4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:
> I've added yours in, Tammy.
> 
> Anyone else? :-D
> 
> Sheryll
> 
Me too! My birthday is on May 7.
Cindy




From esk at europa.com  Tue Jul 13 00:27:53 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:27:53 -0000
Subject: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <ccv9j8+qjr4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccvaa9+14a8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eskcindy" <esk at e...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
> <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> > I've added yours in, Tammy.
> > 
> > Anyone else? :-D
> > 
> > Sheryll
> > 
> Me too! My birthday is on May 7.
> Cindy

Sorry, I forgot to add that I'll turn 35 on my next birthday.
Thanks to all those brave souls who readily admitted their age. <g>

Cindy




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 02:28:50 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:28:50 -0000
Subject: chat reminder?
In-Reply-To: <20040712205827.62635.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccvhd2+vad6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Lanthiriel S
<isilvalacirca at y...> wrote:
> --- Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> wrote:
> > I'm going to expose my ignorance here (so keep your
> > eyes covered if you
> > don't want to see!), 
> 
> Exposing mine as well, so you're not alone Marita!
>  
> > Is this a regular weekly chat?  How does it work?
> 
> I too am wondering how exactly to enter the chat,
> since I'm not too familiar with how Yahoo chat works.
> I know you have to type the "join" command, but what
> chat room do you enter to do so?
> 
> Thanks, Lanthiriel
> 

If I read the message correctly, you can be in any yahoo group (i.e.
in webview), and click the chat link you see in the box to the upper
left. Once it logs you into that chat, you type in:

/join HP:1

and you'll be logged into *our* chat! I normally enter through either
this group or the main list's chat, by clicking the chat link as I said.

It's a lot of fun. Sometimes we discuss canon, sometimes not. I can't
do it every Sunday, but maybe I'll see you there sometime!

Annemehr

P.S. I can't remember (somebody remind me), but do you have to accept
a little download the first time, to enable your computer to work on
the chat?





From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 02:40:33 2004
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:40:33 -0000
Subject: Oz and JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <cckc48+a1c4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccvi31+qlpb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bohcoo" <sydenmill at m...> 
wrote:
> 
> (Boy, the LOONS of the world are going to LOVE this:) Also, in the 
> descriptions under miscellaneous facts, JKR tells us that she has 
> heard of this Harry Potter and that -- and I think there are 5 
that 
> she lists. In the next page, she mentions the number 101, and so 
on. 
> In other words, on every sheet she mentions certain numbers and 
I'm 
> wondering if there is any significance to them?
> 
> Maybe I am reading too much into everything, but it just seems JKR 
> has such an economy of words, she wouldn't just put something out 
> there without a specific meaning -- without it being a clue.

Valky:
I have been suspecting myself that the note "Call fiddy before Tea" 
has some extra significance also.

Perhaps there is another number to call on the phone and the 
sequence of numbers is revealed throughout cryptic clues all over 
the site. 

The door bell ringing and then the dog barking six times is 
certainly sounding more and more like a "Hello Clue!" to me, the 
more I listen.
 
Shortly afterwards the dog barks four times. 
Keep exploring Bohcoo, and thanks for your post.






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 02:46:39 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:46:39 -0000
Subject: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <ccv280+8c9r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccvief+fubj@eGroups.com>


> Carol [re: Nobody!Evans]:
> Someone from the main site alerted me to the bad news and I vented my
> anguish there. Oh, the humiliation! How dare she deceive us! and all
> that. But after a second reading of her FAQ response, I loved its
> self-deprecating humor and forgave her. I think (hope) she'll be
> careful not to make a mistake of that kind again. But I admit to being
> a bit less willing to explore odd clues now, or at least to get my
> hopes up about them.
> 
> My condolences to you and Alice and anyone else who invested time and
> effort in this theory. <sniff> (At least I'm not in on the Droobles
> best blowing gum theory, which I think will be the next one to be
popped.)
> 
> Carol

Aw, Carol, it's not so bad. You just have to sort your
Little-Things-You've-Noticed into three categories: true clue, red
herring, and human failing.  The last can be a sub-category of 'red
herring' if you like -- a really good red herring that took the Author
in as well as the rest of us. I'm speaking as someone who was *sure*
Mark Evans was somebody.

Those gum wrappers, now -- I'm with you. My theory on them is that
they mean Alice loves her son. Given what Dumbledore said about her in
the Pensieve chapter of GoF, it may also mean she's beginning to
recover.  But Gran didn't even know it was going to be a gum wrapper
that time until she saw it. *Not* that I have a very good track record
as theories go, mind.

Annemehr
who's had Peeves visit her on every page more than once, but that
lousy phone never makes a sound...obviously there's something wrong
with the ringer...




From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 13 04:58:27 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:58:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: newbie here!
References: <ccv4s7+g3bp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <050e01c46896$09fcebd0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Hey, Carol, I'll never measure up  to a Southerner even though I've lived
here almost four years now with June.  I will never ever pronounce coffee
correctly or pie or ya'll or much of anything!  I'll just be a northern
girl!

Littlekat





From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 05:03:02 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: newbie here!
In-Reply-To: <ccv4s7+g3bp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040713050302.53349.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>




June wrote:
<snip> I'm a transplanted North Carolinian
> living in the D.C. area, and I really do miss an honest-to-gosh soft Southern accent. 

Carol:
I lived briefly in North Carolina when I was a newlywed of twenty, so long ago that I don't remember the name of the man I was married to <joking!>. I do recall a few North Carolinaisms, though:

Heard on the radio: "Ya'll is jes' as sweet as a punkin' pah!"

Spoken by my supervisor on the phone after work: "All the folks lives within hollerin' distance of the old home place."

Spoken by a friend of my then-husband's: "It don't make *me* no never mind!"

As an Arizonan who didn't speak "Southern," I was of course a "Yankee" even though Arizona was on the Confederate side in the sole Civil War battle it fought (and lost). Too bad the rest of us are so much less
colorful in our language than those (apparently) undereducated Southerners.

Carol, who has treasured these phrases for many years and appreciates the chance to share them




I have heard (and used!!) all of the above phrases!!  I also cannot help but be amazed at the people who look at me with a clueless expression when I talk about something being "over yonder".  

I was born and raised in the deep south!!  My next door neighbor still flies a rebel flag over his garage!!  (and we live in an upper middle-class subdivision).  Most of my family and friends have double names (my nick name is Katie Mae).

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From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 13 04:56:26 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:56:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Anne!
References: <ccv482+6gfm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <050301c46895$c1349100$e60b8f45@Voov>

Happy birthday, Anne!!!  Excuse me while I run away from the balloons!!

Littlekat




From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Jul 13 05:23:04 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:23:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712223926.83970.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040712223926.83970.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1756.4.12.232.28.1089696184.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Sheryll asked about other birthdays.  Mine is March 28 and I turn...
y'know, I get confused on my age.  I stopped counting after twenty-five,
so why not pretend I'm twenty-five next year too.

If I'm still in the HP fandom by next year, it'll be a miracle.  I enjoy
the books and movies, but some fans leave more to be desired--it's not
necessarily age because I've seen some smart kids.  And don't tell me none
of y'all have never had a moment of thinking 'your stupidity pains me'.  I
have my stupid moments but some folk go for records.

Dina

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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 05:34:32 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <ccvaa9+14a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040713053432.90639.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eskcindy" <esk at e...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
> <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> > I've added yours in, Tammy.
> > 
> > Anyone else? :-D
> > 
> > Sheryll
> > 
> Me too! My birthday is on May 7.
> Cindy

Sorry, I forgot to add that I'll turn 35 on my next birthday.
Thanks to all those brave souls who readily admitted their age. <g>

Cindy




I will admit to my age!!  I am now double the legal drinking age and am proud of every gray hair hidden under the red dye!!  (I am 42).  I will be 43 on the day after Christmas.  When I was young, I noticed on a calander that our Brit cousins call this day Boxing Day.  I thought for many years that this meant they went around hitting each other.  I thought this was pretty lame.  I found out a few years ago that it actually means they gather all of their old things up and give them to charity.  That is actually pretty cool!!

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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 06:29:17 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <ccv280+8c9r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040713062917.6680.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com>

Carol,
You wrote: I take JKR (or her narrator) at her word
that they're Muggles and nothing but--especially after the Mark Evans
I've been thinking of your theory.  And though Petunia might not be a witch, maybe she can still be a Squib.  What do you call the non-magical off-spring of a Squib and a Muggle?  Seriously, I want to know.
 

justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Carol wrote:
> I've posted this theory several times to the main site. I think
Lily's parents are Muggles but her Grandpa Evans was a Squib passing
as a Muggle. <snip> Age ten? Evans? It can't be a coincidence. He has
to be a prospective Hogwarts student somehow related to Harry and
having a shared Squib relative (himself the child of a witch and a
wizard) in the family not many generations back ties up all the loose
ends for me.

kemper mentor wrote:
Carol, Did you read the answer to the FAQ at JKR's site?  All I can
say is 'Boo...'

Carol again:
Someone from the main site alerted me to the bad news and I vented my
anguish there. Oh, the humiliation! How dare she deceive us! and all
that. But after a second reading of her FAQ response, I loved its
self-deprecating humor and forgave her. I think (hope) she'll be
careful not to make a mistake of that kind again. But I admit to being
a bit less willing to explore odd clues now, or at least to get my
hopes up about them.

My condolences to you and Alice and anyone else who invested time and
effort in this theory. <sniff> (At least I'm not in on the Droobles
best blowing gum theory, which I think will be the next one to be popped.)

Carol

Well, as you know, my theory got blown to pieces by JKR herself. But
regarding Petunia and Dudley, I take JKR (or her narrator) at her word
that they're Muggles and nothing but--especially after the Mark Evans
fiasco. Also JKR said in a previous interview that Petunia is not a
witch, and by definition neither she nor Dudley can be a squib (the
nonmagical child of magical parents).

So, as I said on the main site, I'm confining my speculation to things
that have been left open--mostly Snape's backstory and motives and
what's up with Percy. Where we've been given apparently
straightforward information that doesn't seem to be subject to
distortion by Harry's POV (the Dursleys are Muggles, Sirius is really
dead, etc.), I'm willing to accept what I'm told at face value (for
the moment, at least!). 

For the record, I think the person who will perform magic late in life
is Mrs. Figg, who, unlike Petunia and Dudley, is indisputably a Squib
and indisputably advanced in years. Erg. I hate euphemisms. Make that
"indisputably old."




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From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 13 13:07:43 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:07:43 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <ccv5ls+iuus@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd0mqv+j0cj@eGroups.com>

"justcarol67" <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
[snip]
> ... But the classes seem to be much larger
> in the films than the books 

I think that all the houses are present in the films. Isn't that Susan
Bones behind H&R when they clasp hands?

> (and of course there's the class size
> discrepancy between the first two books and OoP, the only books in
> which numbers are mentioned, IIRC)

Sorry, didn't notice this. Reminder, please?
-- 
Phil




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 13:35:23 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:35:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <1756.4.12.232.28.1089696184.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <20040713133523.38919.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dina Lerret <redina at silverbloom.net> wrote: >
Sheryll asked about other birthdays.  Mine is March
> 28 and I turn...
> y'know, I get confused on my age.  I stopped
> counting after twenty-five,
> so why not pretend I'm twenty-five next year too.
> 
You can be any age you like! I have an aunt who says
the key to growing older is to pick an age you like
and stay there. 

> If I'm still in the HP fandom by next year, it'll be
> a miracle.  I enjoy
> the books and movies, but some fans leave more to be
> desired--it's not
> necessarily age because I've seen some smart kids. 
> And don't tell me none
> of y'all have never had a moment of thinking 'your
> stupidity pains me'.  I
> have my stupid moments but some folk go for records.
> 
Oh, geez, you're not trying to start a thread on pet
peeves about the list are you? We're probably better
off to leave that one alone. :-D

Sheryll

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From pandora_13 at msn.com  Tue Jul 13 14:10:37 2004
From: pandora_13 at msn.com (Angela Hanson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:10:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
Message-ID: <BAY4-F4ZUfiUNGkbzcC0008099c@hotmail.com>





 > >
 > I've added yours in, Tammy.
 >
 > Anyone else? :-D
 >
 > Sheryll
 >

**raises hand**

May 13th, please :)

Angela H





From holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 15:07:43 2004
From: holmesclan2002 at yahoo.com (Melanie Holmes)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:07:43 -0000
Subject: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712223926.83970.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd0trv+t95k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Chiles <suzchiles at y...> wrote:
> Suzanne here. I share my birthday with Hermione ...
> September 19. I'll
> be 54 my next birthday.
> 
> Suzanne
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sheryll Townsend [mailto:s_ings at y...] 
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:58 AM
> > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database
> updates
> > 
> > 
> > --- ms_tamany <ms-tamany at r...> wrote: > --- In 
> > HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll
> > > Townsend
> > > <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I've entered the birthdays for everyone who
> chimed
> > > in
> > > > here into the database. If anyone else wishes to
> > > be
> > > > added, just let me know.
> > > > 
> > > > Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping out of
> > > sabbatical to
> > > > do the updates
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Okay, here's my birthdate, then -- January 28. 
> I'll
> > > be 40.
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > ***
> > > Tammy Rizzo
> > > ms-tamany at r...
> > > 
> > I've added yours in, Tammy.
> > 
> > Anyone else? :-D
> > 
> > Sheryll
> > 
Melbaluna here.  My birthday is Jan. 17, 1963. Thanks!






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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Tue Jul 13 15:28:13 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:28:13 -0400
Subject: still around
Message-ID: <009001c468ee$03556610$e60b8f45@Voov>

Hi, folks.  I had to leave the main list because I just couldn't keep up with the trafic, but I'm still around here and not going anywhere.  Man, I need to catch my breath from running so hard!  Lol.  June 
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June

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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 16:10:01 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:10:01 -0000
Subject: still around
In-Reply-To: <009001c468ee$03556610$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cd11gp+f3me@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer"
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Hi, folks.  I had to leave the main list because I just couldn't
keep up with the trafic, but I'm still around here and not going
anywhere.  Man, I need to catch my breath from running so hard!  Lol.
 June 
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tell me about it! I'm now a week behind! I figure it has to do with
lots of people being out of school for the summer, and they're welcome
of course. I'll just keep plugging along as I can and hope for a slow
week!  There's still some good stuff over there.

Here's and idea: if anyone runs across an *exceptionally* good thread
on the main list (so, *not* one about who's fault is it or SHIPping
which, though fun, come up continually), perhaps they could point it
out over here?

Annemehr





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 13 17:04:16 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:04:16 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthday database updates
References: <20040712205133.72627.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015801c468fb$73e58c40$bcde6251@kathryn>


>
> Nevertheless, I added you in. We celebrate birthdays
> even when the recipients are too senile to notice us
> eating all their cake. <vbeg>
>
> Sheryll
>

lol - shouldn't that be *especially* when the recipients are too senile to
notice us eating all their cake?

And since everyone else is admitting their age I should say that despite my
claim of senility I'm actually only 28.

Although having watched the latest series of Grumpy Old Men on BBC I think I
qualify as one of those despite being female and not that old! I'm also
thinking of applying for a TOG sticker (for those Brits out there who
enjoy/endure the Wake Up to Wogan radio show).

K




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul 13 17:17:13 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:17:13 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <ccv2s2+rv4a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd15ep+i8d0@eGroups.com>

 
> Annemehr wrote:
> > You know, she *never* calls me. I'm afraid I'm going to have to
> > rethink our relationship.
> > 
> > *pout*
> 


Aggie:

Have you tried leaving the main page open?  I've just been trying to 
see what Peeves does on all the pages and the phone didn't ring at 
all.  Now I've left it on the main page it has rung and rings every 
five mins or so.

Hopes this helps.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 18:42:09 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:42:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Birthday updates
Message-ID: <20040713184209.10566.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

I've stopped replying to each database addition
individually. I felt like I was spamming you guys,
just popping in to say, "Yes, I added you in." 

The last round of updates included: Amber, Cindy,
Suzanne, Aggie, Angela and Melbaluna. Dina, I added
you as well, just on the off chance you're still
around. I can take you out if you prefer. 

Keep 'em coming, folks. 

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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 18:52:18 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:52:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <009001c468ee$03556610$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <20040713185218.69073.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>



What If??

We have had several posts talking about the Dursleys ending up in the Wizarding World at the beginning of the next book.  There have been many theories as to how they end up there and where they go.  Let's play "what if" now and take it a step further.  Reguardless of how they get there, imagine the culture shock!!

They go from being in charge of this nobody orphan who is living on their good graces.  Now they are living off a kid with money....lots and lots of money.  Further more, this kid is famous and highly respected.  He is smart and admired.  Strangers know him.  He is talented and powerful.  What would each of their reactions be?

Suppose Dudley does end up as the one who learns magic late, would he end up at Hogwarts?  In which house?

How is Vernon going to handle all of the magic and strangeness going on?  What about Petunia?  How is Vernon going to handle Dudley being magical if he is?

If Vernon settles in and makes a kind of peace with what is going on, what is he going to do for a living or to contribute?  I know people like Vernon.  It will chap him horribly to be dependent on others (I am like this as well) so he is going to want to get a little bit of control back into his life.  The best way to go about this is to find something useful to do.  What will he end up doing?

I saw a post (sorry that I do not remember all of the names - or any of them - beat me if you must!!) recently that jokingly said that Petunia would have found her life fulfilled in cleaning up #12.  Would she actually settle in the better of the three into the new world that they end up in?

What about Dudley.  He will not only not be "big man on campus" but can you see him tangling with Malfoy and his cronies!!  (I almost feel sorry for him)

Just someone who likes to play the "what if" game when standing in line at Home Depot!!

moonmyyst


		
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From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 18:58:17 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:58:17 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <ccv5ls+iuus@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd1bc9+sl8l@eGroups.com>

<snip>> Carol wrote:
> As someone else noted, it probably has more to do with Josh Herdman
> (Gregory Goyle's) personal life interfering with his shooting 
schedule
> than with changes to the plot line.
> 
><snip>

What about his personal life?




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 19:03:16 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:03:16 -0000
Subject: newbie here!
In-Reply-To: <20040713050302.53349.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd1blk+e363@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> June wrote:
> <snip> I'm a transplanted North Carolinian
> > living in the D.C. area, and I really do miss an honest-to-gosh 
soft Southern accent. 
> 
> Carol:
> I lived briefly in North Carolina when I was a newlywed of twenty, 
so long ago that I don't remember the name of the man I was married 
to <joking!>. I do recall a few North Carolinaisms, though:
> 
> Heard on the radio: "Ya'll is jes' as sweet as a punkin' pah!"
> 
> Spoken by my supervisor on the phone after work: "All the folks 
lives within hollerin' distance of the old home place."
> 
> Spoken by a friend of my then-husband's: "It don't make *me* no 
never mind!"
> 
> As an Arizonan who didn't speak "Southern," I was of course 
a "Yankee" even though Arizona was on the Confederate side in the 
sole Civil War battle it fought (and lost). Too bad the rest of us 
are so much less
> colorful in our language than those (apparently) undereducated 
Southerners.
> 
> Carol, who has treasured these phrases for many years and 
appreciates the chance to share them
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have heard (and used!!) all of the above phrases!!  I also 
cannot help but be amazed at the people who look at me with a 
clueless expression when I talk about something being "over 
yonder".  
> 
> I was born and raised in the deep south!!  My next door neighbor 
still flies a rebel flag over his garage!!  (and we live in an upper 
middle-class subdivision).  Most of my family and friends have 
double names (my nick name is Katie Mae).
> 
> moonmyyst
> 
> 
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One of my favourite Southern phrases was when my grandma would 
say, "Quit going all over hell and half of Georgia and get to your 
point!"

Julie -- who is "fixin to" go to the "coke" machine and buy a "soda"




From staceymateo at verizon.net  Tue Jul 13 23:06:09 2004
From: staceymateo at verizon.net (staceymateo)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:06:09 -0000
Subject: Birthday updates
In-Reply-To: <20040713184209.10566.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd1pt1+nimu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:
> Keep 'em coming, folks. 
> 
> Sheryll

Stacey:

First, I'm a newbie here.  Hi to all!  30-yr old whose husband is 
threatening divorce all over a 15-yr old wizard :)

I just emailed the list owner like the database stated for addition.  
Hope I did the right thing.

By the way, I noticed that everyone's favorite twins are not listed!
How could Gred & Forge be forgotten for 4/1?

Hope they are added as well!

Stacey





From Amber_Falls at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 00:10:40 2004
From: Amber_Falls at yahoo.com (Amber_ Falls)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] still around
In-Reply-To: <009001c468ee$03556610$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <20040714001040.48544.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

--- Firedancer <firedancerflash at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi, folks.  I had to leave the main list because I
> just couldn't keep up with the trafic, but I'm still
> around here and not going anywhere.  Man, I need to
> catch my breath from running so hard!  Lol.  June 
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]


Hi June

I gave up reading every post. Otherwise I could never
catch up. I just follow the treads that interests me.I
love it here though ;) Wish I had found this list
sooner.

*Offers June butterbeer to revive her a bit*

Amber









		
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 00:10:33 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:10:33 -0000
Subject: jkr site - who is on the phone?
In-Reply-To: <cd15ep+i8d0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd1tlp+j1h0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "aggiepaddy" <aggie at r...> wrote:
>  
> > Annemehr wrote:
> > > You know, she *never* calls me. I'm afraid I'm going to have to
> > > rethink our relationship.
> > > 
> > > *pout*
> > 
> 
> 
> Aggie:
> 
> Have you tried leaving the main page open?  I've just been trying to 
> see what Peeves does on all the pages and the phone didn't ring at 
> all.  Now I've left it on the main page it has rung and rings every 
> five mins or so.
> 
> Hopes this helps.

Thank you -- I did that today, for the first time in about a month,
and it rang FOUR TIMES! In about 30 minutes! Sheesh, talk about feast
or famine.

Annemehr
digging Jo's photo back out from the bottom of the sock drawer






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 02:22:03 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: newbie here!
In-Reply-To: <cd1blk+e363@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040714022203.37606.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>




> June wrote:
> <snip> I'm a transplanted North Carolinian living in the D.C. area, and I really do miss an honest-to-gosh 
soft Southern accent. 
> 
> Carol:
> I lived briefly in North Carolina when I was a newlywed of twenty, so long ago that I don't remember the name of the man I was married to <joking!>. I do recall a few North Carolinaisms, though:
> 
> Heard on the radio: "Ya'll is jes' as sweet as a punkin' pah!"
> 
> Spoken by my supervisor on the phone after work: "All the folks lives within hollerin' distance of the old home place."
> 
> Spoken by a friend of my then-husband's: "It don't make *me* no never mind!"
> 
> As an Arizonan who didn't speak "Southern," I was of course a "Yankee" even though Arizona was on the Confederate side in the sole Civil War battle it fought (and lost). Too bad the rest of us are so much less
colorful in our language than those (apparently) undereducated Southerners.
> 
> Carol, who has treasured these phrases for many years and appreciates the chance to share them
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have heard (and used!!) all of the above phrases!!  I also cannot help but be amazed at the people who look at me with a clueless expression when I talk about something being "over yonder".  
> 
> I was born and raised in the deep south!!  My next door neighbor still flies a rebel flag over his garage!!  (and we live in an upper middle-class subdivision).  Most of my family and friends have double names (my nick name is Katie Mae).
> 
> moonmyyst
> 
> 
One of my favourite Southern phrases was when my grandma would say, "Quit going all over hell and half of Georgia and get to your point!"

Julie -- who is "fixin to" go to the "coke" machine and buy a "soda"



How 'bout grabbin' me an RC cola and a moon pie.  Would go great after my streak-o-lean and biscuit!!

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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Jul 14 02:33:04 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:33:04 -0000
Subject: what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <20040713185218.69073.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd2610+86ea@eGroups.com>

> K G speculates:
> What If??
> 
> We have had several posts talking about the Dursleys ending up in 
the Wizarding World at the beginning of the next book. 
> (snippage)
> Suppose Dudley does end up as the one who learns magic late, would 
he end up at Hogwarts?  In which house?
> (more snippage)
> What about Dudley.  He will not only not be "big man on campus" but 
can you see him tangling with Malfoy and his cronies!!  (I almost 
feel sorry for him)
> 
> moonmyyst
> 

Well, of course he would be sorted into Slytherin, and he would 
quickly assimilate into the Malfoy posse--after all, they have a 
common enemy! I see Dudley as a quick study in things likely to cause 
the most grief and annoyance for Harry and the most enjoyment for 
himself. After a little magical training, Dudley and Harry would be 
on more level ground. 
MsTattersall





From mcdee1980 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 03:42:26 2004
From: mcdee1980 at yahoo.com (mcdee1980)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:42:26 -0000
Subject: Birthday updates
In-Reply-To: <cd1pt1+nimu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd2a32+kum1@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
> <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> > Keep 'em coming, folks. 
> > 
> > Sheryll
> 
ohh add me, add me . . . my birthday is in 11 days . . . July 24th 
and I will be 24 years young
Lady McBeth




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 07:41:59 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:41:59 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <cd1bc9+sl8l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd2o47+avq0@eGroups.com>


> <snip>> Carol wrote:
> > As someone else noted, it probably has more to do with Josh 
> > Herdman(Gregory Goyle's) personal life interfering with his 
> shooting schedule
> > than with changes to the plot line.
> > 
> ><snip>

>--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote: 
> What about his personal life?

Exams. English public examinations. 

Not 'personal' in *that* sense. ;-)

Pip




From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Wed Jul 14 09:12:13 2004
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (SongBird3411 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:12:13 -0000
Subject: still around
In-Reply-To: <009001c468ee$03556610$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cd2tdd+jsbf@eGroups.com>

No kidding!  I was on vacation for a couple of weeks and now I think 
I will *never* catch up on the main list.  I am literally thousands 
of posts behind.

I too have starting skipping entire threads.  Sigh.  The really crazy 
part is that the other lists (book lists) I belong to are pretty dead 
right now.  I cannot believe this one gets so much traffic.  Yikes.

However, since there are some good threads over there, I will keep 
plugging along.  Please, just don't let Rowling make any more 
announcements about book 6 in the next month or so.  I will get 
buried if that happens.  ;)

Mindy




From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 11:22:15 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:22:15 -0000
Subject: Mugglenet
Message-ID: <cd3517+b4u6@eGroups.com>

Is Mugglenet off air today? I keep getting time-out messages.
-- 
Phil




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 11:55:20 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <cd2610+86ea@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040714115520.31856.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>



MsTattersall <cwood at tattersallpub.com> wrote:
> K G speculates:
> What If??
> 
> We have had several posts talking about the Dursleys ending up in the Wizarding World at the beginning of the next book. 
> (snippage)
> Suppose Dudley does end up as the one who learns magic late, would he end up at Hogwarts?  In which house?
> (more snippage)What about Dudley.  He will not only not be "big man on campus" but can you see him tangling with Malfoy and his cronies!!  (I almost feel sorry for him)
> 
> moonmyyst
> 

Well, of course he would be sorted into Slytherin, and he would quickly assimilate into the Malfoy posse--after all, they have a common enemy! I see Dudley as a quick study in things likely to cause the most grief and annoyance for Harry and the most enjoyment for himself. After a little magical training, Dudley and Harry would be on more level ground. 
MsTattersall




I thought about Slytherin for Dudley as well - until you think of what all Slytherin stands for and Dudley would be a "mudblood".  Even if he were able to be sorted into there, he would never be accepted.  Especially by Draco.  Look at his oppinion of Hermione.

Ravenclaw - not smart enought

Griffindor - have not seen any sign of courage - unless someone else has seen something that I have not.  I have seen plenty of bullying but no courage.

Hufflepuff - ? - Hufflepuff takes all that would not fit else where.

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From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 13:55:32 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:55:32 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <cd2o47+avq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd3e0k+sct6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> 
> > <snip>> Carol wrote:
> > > As someone else noted, it probably has more to do with Josh 
> > > Herdman(Gregory Goyle's) personal life interfering with his 
> > shooting schedule
> > > than with changes to the plot line.
> > > 
> > ><snip>
> 
> >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
> <drjuliehoward at y...> wrote: 
> > What about his personal life?
> 
> Exams. English public examinations. 
> 
> Not 'personal' in *that* sense. ;-)
> 
> Pip

Oh!  I thought you mean something had happened to Joshua or someone 
in his family!  Gotcha ;-D




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 14:15:31 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:15:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <cd1blk+e363@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040714141531.20025.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com>

Since there've been a couple of 'southernisms' threads, I'm going to chime
in with something one of my way deep in Tennessee friends says whenever
somebody gets upset about something that they really can't do anything
about:

"Just put on your big girl panties and get over it!"

I can't wait until I can use that myself on somebody!

Marita




--- fanofminerva <drjuliehoward at yahoo.com> wrote:

> One of my favourite Southern phrases was when my grandma would 
> say, "Quit going all over hell and half of Georgia and get to your 
> point!"
> 
> Julie -- who is "fixin to" go to the "coke" machine and buy a "soda"
> 
> 


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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 15:12:39 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: what if?? Culture shock
Message-ID: <20040714151239.75348.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>

14July04
MsTattersol wrote:

..., of course he (Dudley) would be sorted into Slytherin, and he would quickly assimilate into the Malfoy posse--after all, they have a common enemy! I see Dudley as a quick study in things likely to cause the most grief and annoyance for Harry and the most enjoyment for himself. After a little magical training, Dudley and Harry would be on more level ground.


Paula now:

Sounds good, but I've always imagined and sort of hope for a little different scenario.  Dudley gets sorted into Slytherin, being the bulley that he is, he immediately tries ti carve out his territory from Draco's.  But, since our little Dudders is not a pureblood, Malfoy is not about to give hime any slack what so ever.  So, if we thought the pig's tail was funny, what Draco is prepared to do will be the coup de gras!  Cracks me up just thinking about it!
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From entropymail at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 16:24:14 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:24:14 -0000
Subject: Mugglenet
In-Reply-To: <cd3517+b4u6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd3mne+l738@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Boswell" <phil_hp7 at y...>
wrote:
> Is Mugglenet off air today? I keep getting time-out messages.
> -- 
> Phil

Yeah, they must be down...I haven't been able to get on all day.

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From astratrf at aol.com  Wed Jul 14 17:57:26 2004
From: astratrf at aol.com (astratrf)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:57:26 -0000
Subject: Birthday Database updates
Message-ID: <cd3s66+8hpc@eGroups.com>

Hi, all!
I don't know if I'm listed in the birthday database or not--soooo
many 
HP sites to keep track of!  My head is going round and round...!  
Anyway, if I'm not in there, please list me as August 2.
Thanks,
Astra




From denver_potterfan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 15:25:53 2004
From: denver_potterfan at yahoo.com (denver_potterfan)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:53 -0000
Subject: Birthday updates
In-Reply-To: <cd2a32+kum1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd3ja1+2ee8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mcdee1980" <mcdee1980 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
> > <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> > > Keep 'em coming, folks. 
> > > 
> > > Sheryll
> > 
> ohh add me, add me . . . my birthday is in 11 days . . . July 24th 
> and I will be 24 years young
> Lady McBeth


Add me too.......I'll be 33 on November 21st.  Thanks!

Odette





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 21:30:46 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:30:46 -0000
Subject: Mugglenet
In-Reply-To: <cd3517+b4u6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd48m6+8ti2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Boswell" 
<phil_hp7 at y...> wrote:
> Is Mugglenet off air today? I keep getting time-out messages.
> -- 
> Phil

*****\(@@)/*****

I wonder if they are replacing their server. Or maybe the old one 
finally went kaput!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 22:17:31 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <20040714141531.20025.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040714221731.45668.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>




Since there've been a couple of 'southernisms' threads, I'm going to chime in with something one of my way deep in Tennessee friends says whenever somebody gets upset about something that they really can't do anything
about:

"Just put on your big girl panties and get over it!"

I can't wait until I can use that myself on somebody!

Marita




--- fanofminerva <drjuliehoward at yahoo.com> wrote:

> One of my favourite Southern phrases was when my grandma would say, "Quit going all over hell and half of Georgia and get to your point!"
> 
> Julie -- who is "fixin to" go to the "coke" machine and buy a "soda"
> 
> 


Have you ever had someone say hello with "how's your mom an' them?"  

Who has eaten collard greens and cracklin' cornbread?  (I did yesterday)

moonmyyst


		
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From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 22:54:20 2004
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:54:20 -0000
Subject: JKR website
Message-ID: <cd4dis+752p@eGroups.com>

Is anyone else having trouble getting on to JKR's website?  I have 
tried several times and I get nothing but a yellow screen.  Anyone?




From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Jul 15 01:10:07 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:10:07 -0400
Subject: Mental fans Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthday updates
In-Reply-To: <20040713184209.10566.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040713184209.10566.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040714205855.038c73d0@mail.silverbloom.net>

At 07/13/2004 02:42 PM, Sheryll Townsend wrote:

>Suzanne, Aggie, Angela and Melbaluna. Dina, I added
>you as well, just on the off chance you're still
>around. I can take you out if you prefer.

That's fine. :-)  Who knows, stranger things happen.  Such as 
http://www.wweek.com/  and this week's 'Hobbits Gone Wrong' 
(http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5307).  Mentally unstable fans with 
the ability to con other fans... and they're coming to the Harry Potter 
fandom.  Evidently, they're hoping to con some HP fans too.  Even Yahoo 
news had some pics of them dressed up in HP outfits.  As an additional 
reference: http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/426042.html

*facepalm*

Dina





From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 02:33:37 2004
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:33:37 -0000
Subject: Convention Alley Proceedings Available July 30th!
Message-ID: <cd4qe1+k2c0@eGroups.com>

The Convention Alley Planning Committee is pleased to announce the
availability of our conference proceedings for sale on July 30,
2004. The printed proceedings (a compilation of the papers presented
at Convention Alley) will be available at a cost of $30.00 Canadian
(which is currently equivalent to $22.75 American) plus applicable
taxes and shipping fees.

We are excited to be able to make the Convention Alley proceedings
available to those unable to attend the conference, as well as to
those attending the conference who would like to take home additional
copies (one complimentary copy is included with each registration).
If you would like to order a copy of the proceedings, please send an
e-mail with your name and mailing address to: convention_alley @
yahoo.ca (without the spaces).

Just a reminder that online registration via credit card for
Convention Alley, Canada's first Harry Potter conference for grown-up
fans of the series, will be closing July 20th. Additional tickets
for Saturday's birthday banquet (featuring keynote speaker Steve
Vander Ark) and Sunday's luncheon (featuring guest speaker Dr. Judith
Robertson) are also available until July 20th. Information about
registering and purchasing extra meal tickets may be found on the
Convention Alley website (http://www.conventionalley.org/).

~Phyllis Morris
2004 Convention Alley Planning Committee and Programming Co-Chair




From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Thu Jul 15 03:49:25 2004
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (Blair)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:49:25 -0000
Subject: Happy (late) Birthday!
Message-ID: <cd4us5+4pd0@eGroups.com>

Feathery is sorry, sirs and misses!  She was being so busy with her 
other duties that she forgot to send out the birthday wish to Sarah!

*throws up balloons and streamers* HAPPY BIRTHDAY (on 13 July) to 
Sarah!  Any late birthday owls can be sent to Sarah at 
plungy116 at aol.com!

I'm off to iron my hands...

Oryomai
aka Feathery Elf
aka Substitute Birthday Elf




From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Thu Jul 15 03:52:05 2004
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (Blair)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:52:05 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday!
Message-ID: <cd4v15+iurb@eGroups.com>

Feathery is sorry again!  She is just managing to fit this in the 
last EST minutes of 14 July!

Today's birthday honoroee is Arthur Eric Lao Sabong!  Yay for 
birthdays!  Any birthday wishes can be sent to him at 
r2r_714 at yahoo.com!  

Oryomai
aka Feathery Elf
aka Substitute Birthday Elf




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 08:24:28 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:24:28 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <cd3e0k+sct6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd5evs+hv17@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:


> > 
> > > <snip>> Carol wrote:
> > > > As someone else noted, it probably has more to do with Josh 
> > > > Herdman(Gregory Goyle's) personal life interfering with his 
> > > shooting schedule
> > > > than with changes to the plot line.
> > > > 
I agree. I think I  even read something along those lines though I 
can't give you a reference m'dears. However, I think I've figured out 
who that boy is supposed to be! I'm reading OotP for the umpteenth 
time, and as there are a couple of things in the PoA movie that 
seemed to have been pinched form OotP (like some of Harry's anger 
perhaps, and that playground) why not one more? In the Bloomsbury ed. 
of OotP p.514, we read: "...it was the reaction he got from Malfoy, 
Crabbe and Goyle. He saw them with their heads together later that 
afternoon in the library; they were with a weedy-looking boy Hermione 
whispered was called Theodore Nott."

Sophia




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Jul 15 09:02:06 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:02:06 -0000
Subject: Mental fans
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040714205855.038c73d0@mail.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cd5h6e+ie2f@eGroups.com>

Dina wrote:

> (http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5307).  Mentally unstable 
fans with 
> the ability to con other fans... and they're coming to the Harry 
Potter 
> fandom.  

Interesting story - nearly as wierd as some of our own.  They should 
fit right in.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Jul 15 09:04:50 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:04:50 -0000
Subject: Elf duties (was Happy (late) Birthday!)
In-Reply-To: <cd4us5+4pd0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd5hbi+nbql@eGroups.com>


> Oryomai
> aka Feathery Elf
> aka Substitute Birthday Elf

Where do I go to register my substitute birthday?

David




From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Jul 15 10:28:56 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:28:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: And the Olympics Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mental fans
In-Reply-To: <cd5h6e+ie2f@eGroups.com>
References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040714205855.038c73d0@mail.silverbloom.net>
    <cd5h6e+ie2f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2427.4.47.27.194.1089887336.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

davewitley said:
> Dina wrote:
>
>> (http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5307).  Mentally unstable
> fans with
>> the ability to con other fans... and they're coming to the Harry
> Potter
>> fandom.
>
> Interesting story - nearly as wierd as some of our own.  They should
> fit right in.

Yeah, except what was in that article wasn't all:
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fwgreatesthits/1169.html

Summary: Identity issues, pseudo-gender change and the miraclegrow!penis,
channeling spirits of a dead Hobbit (eh?) and living LOTR actor, and
*much* more.

This would make an excellent TV movie. {chuckle}

I used to know this gal years ago from when she subscribed to a Trek
erotica forum.  Not personally but because I moderated it.

Fast forward to the HP fandom and...
http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=fandom_wank&keyword=Harry+Potter&filter=all

For just a small sampling.  I attended this one convention that had a
panel called 'Fandom Would Be Great, If It Weren't for the Fans'.

Then again, fans aren't the only crazy folk:
http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=118544

Don't worry about security, worry about what logos attendees are wearing
for fear of commercial competition.  Hey, during Greco-Roman times the
Olympics were held nekkid, so...

Dina


-- 
Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/
 ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic
LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS
My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/




From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Jul 15 11:14:53 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:14:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: And Lavender Brown Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <cd5evs+hv17@eGroups.com>
References: <cd3e0k+sct6@eGroups.com> <cd5evs+hv17@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2454.4.47.27.194.1089890093.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

sophiamcl said:

> perhaps, and that playground) why not one more? In the Bloomsbury ed.
> of OotP p.514, we read: "...it was the reaction he got from Malfoy,
> Crabbe and Goyle. He saw them with their heads together later that
> afternoon in the library; they were with a weedy-looking boy Hermione
> whispered was called Theodore Nott."

Aye, I thought the same thing because Nott would have some interaction
with Malfoy in later books.

However, we're still left with too many students in *at least* CoMC during
movie!POA.  For example, too many Gryffindors, although, I did make a
guess Lavender Brown was the dark *gal* (not the extra boy) of African
descent since she was sitting next to what looked like a Patil in
Divinations.  Maybe this could be a genuine description or movie liberty
or she could've just been an extra... like the thin Slytherin boy.

Dina




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 12:22:40 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:22:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Elf duties (was Happy (late) Birthday!)
In-Reply-To: <cd5hbi+nbql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040715122240.46163.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com>

--- davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote: > 
> > Oryomai
> > aka Feathery Elf
> > aka Substitute Birthday Elf
> 
> Where do I go to register my substitute birthday?
> 
> David
> 
Don't get us started on Substitute/Unbirthday
celebrations, David. I'll never get out of the party
room and be left with a life of eternally hanging
streamers, blowing out balloons and baking cakes!
<vbg>

Sheryll the Birthday Elf (on sabbatical from the party room)

=====
Meet me at Convention Alley...
http://www.conventionalley.org/
http://www.livejournal.com/community/conventionalley/
http://www.cafeshops.com/conalley 




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From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 12:49:30 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:49:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthdays
In-Reply-To: <1089883907.814.12607.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040715124930.60281.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com>




> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
> > wrote:
> > > Keep 'em coming, folks. 
> > > 
> > > Sheryll

 

Could you add me in to please Sheryll? It's January 4th. I will be thirty next year and probably feeling old and needing lots of friends.

Thanks

Sam



		
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From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 13:58:40 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:58:40 -0000
Subject: JKR website
In-Reply-To: <cd4dis+752p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd62ig+nm2o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "thekrenz" <thekrenz at y...> 
wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble getting on to JKR's website?  I have 
> tried several times and I get nothing but a yellow screen.  Anyone?

I had not trouble (Thursday, 9:00 am CDT).  Good luck.




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 16:42:58 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:42:58 -0000
Subject: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040712130211.4407.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd6c6i+ef7p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:
snip.

> Indeed, the Birthday Elvses are paying attention!
> 
> I've entered the birthdays for everyone who chimed in
> here into the database. If anyone else wishes to be
> added, just let me know. 
> 
> Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping out of sabbatical to
> do the updates
> 


Hi, Sheryll!

Yes, please add me too. April 10 is mine.

Thanks,

Alla





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 15 20:54:27 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:54:27 -0400
Subject: July B-Days (was Re: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <20040712001725.43878.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEPIDBAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

I admit I'm a terrible creature when it comes to remembering Birthdays, so
I'll just wish all the July folk a most happy B-Day!  May we all be forever
young. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Who's an April shower.) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 21:20:05 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:20:05 -0000
Subject: what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <20040714115520.31856.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd6se5+2g4q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> MsTattersall <cwood at t...> wrote:
> > K G speculates:
> > What If??
> > 
> > We have had several posts talking about the Dursleys ending up in
the Wizarding World at the beginning of the next book. 
> > (snippage)
> > Suppose Dudley does end up as the one who learns magic late, would
he end up at Hogwarts?  In which house?
> > (more snippage)What about Dudley.  He will not only not be "big
man on campus" but can you see him tangling with Malfoy and his
cronies!!  (I almost feel sorry for him)
> > 
> > moonmyyst
> > 
> 
> Well, of course he would be sorted into Slytherin, and he would
quickly assimilate into the Malfoy posse--after all, they have a
common enemy! I see Dudley as a quick study in things likely to cause
the most grief and annoyance for Harry and the most enjoyment for
himself. After a little magical training, Dudley and Harry would be on
more level ground. 
> MsTattersall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I thought about Slytherin for Dudley as well - until you think of
what all Slytherin stands for and Dudley would be a "mudblood".  Even
if he were able to be sorted into there, he would never be accepted. 
Especially by Draco.  Look at his oppinion of Hermione.
> 
> Ravenclaw - not smart enought
> 
> Griffindor - have not seen any sign of courage - unless someone else
has seen something that I have not.  I have seen plenty of bullying
but no courage.
> 
> Hufflepuff - ? - Hufflepuff takes all that would not fit else where.
> 
> moonmyyst



Oh, but he!s just a bully, not a Slytherin - have you ever discerned
any ambition in the guy? Dudders is a sure one for Hufflepuff, in my
opinion. :)

Love, Alice
---has got work to do, but is too tired to start and is instead
reading Harry Potter forums and lists, thus rendering her eyes even
more useless... I got elected team-leader only a couple of days ago
and am already spending far more time than I ever wanted to designing
leaflets and thinking up Big Strategies...




From fotouba at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 21:19:26 2004
From: fotouba at yahoo.com (fotouba)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:19:26 -0000
Subject: JKR website
In-Reply-To: <cd62ig+nm2o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd6scu+ie2t@eGroups.com>

I used to have touble getting on her site too, but I downloaded the 
flash program and now I can get into the site properly. Before I 
downloaded that program I could only get into that site by skipping 
the navigation. So ,I ended up seeing the site in black screen with 
yellow letters and with no pictures. Well, I don't know if your 
problem is the same with mine, but that is what I did.
You can get that program at www.macromedia.com for free. I don't know 
if I have helped you with your problem, I hope I did. Just remember 
to scanfor viruses anything you download,from whatever site you may 
do it.

                                         Good luck.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "thekrenz" <thekrenz at y...> 
> wrote:
> > Is anyone else having trouble getting on to JKR's website?  I 
have 
> > tried several times and I get nothing but a yellow screen.  
Anyone?
> 
> I had not trouble (Thursday, 9:00 am CDT).  Good luck.




From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Thu Jul 15 21:41:43 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:41:43 +0100
Subject: Burn those books - St. Paul never had to worry about fire codes
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D648EF@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

This funny story just came up on another mailing list ...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/07/12/no.book.burning.ap/
http://tinyurl.com/4jmjx

A book burning organised by a pastor in Cedar Rapids Iowa was thwarted
by the chief of the local fire department. The fire inspector suggested
shredding the books instead, but the pastor felt this wasn't biblical
enough.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 21:45:05 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:45:05 -0000
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <000901c4676a$21ae93a0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <cd6tt1+a1oj@eGroups.com>

"Iggy McSnurd" wrote:
> A slightly dazed and confused Iggy the Elf wanders into the room
wearing lime green socks and a bright yellow vest with multicolored
spots that he wears over his List-Elf uniform. 

And to think that I was wondering how you were adjusting to your tea
towel!

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 22:08:58 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:08:58 -0000
Subject: A (Late) Birthday Wish
In-Reply-To: <ccue58+heg0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd6v9q+laad@eGroups.com>

Iggy:

Ig you go to the main newsgroup, you can enter your birthday into 
the database.  (I will, however, enter your b-day into my records, 
> since I am the b-day elf for that day.)
> 
David:
> No, that's the point: for security reasons we can't - that's why we 
> have to mail the owner account, or mention it here.

Carol:
That being the case, can we enter our birthday without giving our age?
If so, please add mine for April 16. 

Thanks,
Carol, who has had more 39th birthdays than she wants to think about




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 22:47:21 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:47:21 -0000
Subject: "that lousy phone"
In-Reply-To: <ccvief+fubj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd71hp+9eb3@eGroups.com>

> Annemehr
> who's had Peeves visit her on every page more than once, but that
> lousy phone never makes a sound...obviously there's something wrong
> with the ringer...

Funny. It usually rings just before Peeves makes his visit to the main
page--sometimes so often that I get annoyed and close the window to
her site. It's fun the first few times, but after awhile, it's like
receiving half a dozen wrong numbers a day on your own phone. (The
radio gets annoying, too, but at least it's easy to turn off.)

Phooey! Peeves just came by the room with the locked door, but I
didn't get there quickly enough to see him write on the mirror. (I
know, I know, it's silly! There's nothing new today and I have all the
scrapbook items, but I still like to keep the site open in another
window and listen for Peeves.)

Carol, who's going back to the main page now to see how long it takes
for the phone to ring. (It's 3:42 Arizona time now, or that's what my
computer clock says.) 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 22:57:47 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:57:47 -0000
Subject: Birthday database updates
In-Reply-To: <20040713053432.90639.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd725b+h1pa@eGroups.com>

moonmyyst wrote:> 
> I will admit to my age!!  I am now double the legal drinking age and
am proud of every gray hair hidden under the red dye!!  (I am 42).  I
will be 43 on the day after Christmas.  When I was young, I noticed on
a calander that our Brit cousins call this day Boxing Day.  I thought
for many years that this meant they went around hitting each other.  I
thought this was pretty lame.  I found out a few years ago that it
actually means they gather all of their old things up and give them to
charity.  That is actually pretty cool!!

Carol responds:
December 26 is also St. Stephen's Day, in honor of the first Christian
martyr, aka the Feast of Stephen, as in the Christmas carol "Good King
Wenceslas." And, of course, it's the second day of Christmas ("two
turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree"). It's amazing how many
people think that the Twelve Days of Christmas come before, not after,
Christmas.

Carol
P.S. Peeves just came by (after ten minutes). Still waiting for the
phone to ring.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 23:08:06 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:08:06 -0000
Subject: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <20040713062917.6680.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd72om+1154@eGroups.com>

<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> Carol,
> You wrote: I take JKR (or her narrator) at her word
> that they're Muggles and nothing but--especially after the Mark Evans

> I've been thinking of your theory.  And though Petunia might not be
a witch, maybe she can still be a Squib.  What do you call the
non-magical off-spring of a Squib and a Muggle?  Seriously, I want to
know.

Carol responds:

I was thrown for a moment because my snipped post and your response
were jammed together, with my original post at the bottom of the
message. I think I've got it sorted out now, and your part starts with
"I've been thinking of your theory," right? I'm responding on that
assumption.

Petunia can't be a squib because a squib, by definition, is the
nonmagical child of magical parents. Her nonmagical parents were
Muggles and so is she. Her witch sister, Lily, was a Muggleborn. (JKR
says something about this in one of her interviews. Sorry I don't have
the link handy.)

By the same definition, the nonmagical child of a Squib and a Muggle
would have to be a Muggle, since a Squib has to have at least one
magical parent, maybe two.

Carol







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 00:06:34 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:06:34 -0000
Subject: Class size discrepancy (and JKR's phone)
In-Reply-To: <cd0mqv+j0cj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd766a+esgf@eGroups.com>

I (Carol) wrote:
(and of course there's the class size
discrepancy between the first two books and OoP, the only books in
which numbers are mentioned, IIRC)

Phil responded: 
Sorry, didn't notice this. Reminder, please?

Carol again:
In SS/PS there are twenty brooms, ten for the Gryffindors and ten for
the Slytherins, in Madam Hooch's flying class (SS 146). In CoS, there
are "about twenty pairs of earmuffs" for the mandrake lesson in
Herbology, which the Gryffindors have with the Hufflepuffs (Am. ed.
91). In PoA there are eight boggarts (plus Harry's and Hermione's,
which weren't demonstrated and not counting Lupin's "silvery-white
orb") in Lupin's first class (Am. ed. 136-38). But in OoP, there
appear to be about thirty students in Umbridge's DADA class, which the
Gryffindors have by themselves. I can't find the page reference I'm
looking for. It's not in "Professor Umbridge," though statements like
"half the class was looking at Hermione" seem to imply that more than,
say, six students are staring at her. (Can someone help me out here?)

There's also JKR's statement in an interview that the student
population at Hogwarts is about 1000 despite the figure of 280
students that we come up with if we compute ten students per house per
year (= 40 students) times seven years (= 280). We all know that JKR
is not particularly strong in math ("maths," if you're British). Don't
get me started on the ages of the Weasley brothers.

But in any case, if you're interested, the Hogwarts FAQ discusses the
debate over the number of students at Hogwarts (without including the
reference I'm looking for because OoP hadn't come out yet!). Here's
the URL to take you directly there:

http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/hogwarts.html

Carol, who wishes she had a photographic memory so it took less time
to look things up!

P.S. Annemehr, the phone has rung three times while I was composing
this message (it takes awhile to look up page numbers, :-)!): at 4:06,
4:15, and 4:21. That JKR! Always calling me when I'm trying to do
"research"! So I closed that window. . . . Seriously, all you have to
do is leave the main page open in another window from the one you're
using, and she'll call. If the site is open anywhere, Peeves will come
and the radio will come on even if you've turned it off, but the phone
will only ring if the site is open to that particular page. C.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 00:24:50 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:24:50 -0000
Subject: what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <20040713185218.69073.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd778i+tctv@eGroups.com>

Moonmyst wrote:
What If??
> We have had several posts talking about the Dursleys ending up in
the Wizarding World at the beginning of the next book.  There have
been many theories as to how they end up there and where they go. 
Let's play "what if" now and take it a step further.  Reguardless of
how they get there, imagine the culture shock!! <snip>

Carol:
Alternatively, imagine Snape (or your own favorite pureblood wizard,
one with no notion of Muggle life whatever) stranded at an airport
without his wand and unable to apparate. (How'd he get there? Erm, a
Muggleborn put a spell on him?)

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 00:39:19 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:39:19 -0000
Subject: newbie here!
In-Reply-To: <cd1blk+e363@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd783n+u19p@eGroups.com>

I (Carol) wrote:
I lived briefly in North Carolina when I was a newlywed of twenty
<snip>. I do recall a few North Carolinaisms, though:

Heard on the radio: "Ya'll is jes' as sweet as a punkin' pah!"
 
Spoken by my supervisor on the phone after work: "All the folks 
lives within hollerin' distance of the old home place."
 
Spoken by a friend of my then-husband's: "It don't make *me* no 
never mind!" <snip>

someone responded: (Sorry. Your name got snipped!)
I have heard (and used!!) all of the above phrases!!  I also 
cannot help but be amazed at the people who look at me with a 
clueless expression when I talk about something being "over 
yonder".  

moonmyst added:
I was born and raised in the deep south!!  My next door neighbor 
still flies a rebel flag over his garage!!  (and we live in an upper 
middle-class subdivision).  Most of my family and friends have 
double names (my nick name is Katie Mae).
 
and Julie stated that she's "'fixin to' go to the 'coke' machine and
buy a 'soda,'"

which reminds me (Carol again) that when I was in NC, every variety of
soda (or "pop," as I used to call it until I was corrected by the
younger generation) was a "co-cola," as in "rootbeer co-cola" or
"orange co-cola." And "bahbeque" was "poke." They evidently didn't
barbecue chicken or hamburgers or steaks, or if they did, they weren't
"bahbeque."

Carol, who supposes that her own regionalisms would be equally amusing
if she only knew what they were!




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Fri Jul 16 00:49:14 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:49:14 -0000
Subject: Class size discrepancy (and JKR's phone)
In-Reply-To: <cd766a+esgf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd78ma+q63k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
>>It's not in "Professor Umbridge," though statements like
 "half the class was looking at Hermione" seem to imply that 
more than, say, six students are staring at her. (Can someone 
help me out here.)<<

 
You were on the right track. It's on page 246 of the US hardcover 
--Chapter 12, "Professor Umbridge" right at the top.

[He had] hardly talked to anyone about this, least of all thirty 
eagerly listening classmates.

:sings, to the tune of Eleanor Rigby: All the DADA students, 
where did they all come from?

Pippin






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 00:47:58 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:47:58 -0000
Subject: what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <cd2610+86ea@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd78ju+s5l6@eGroups.com>

MsTattersall wrote:
Well, of course he would be sorted into Slytherin, and he would 
quickly assimilate into the Malfoy posse--after all, they have a 
common enemy! I see Dudley as a quick study in things likely to cause 
the most grief and annoyance for Harry and the most enjoyment for 
himself. After a little magical training, Dudley and Harry would be 
on more level ground. 
 

Carol:
A Muggle (okay, Muggleborn, if you insist) in Slytherin, home of
pureblood pride? And a late-bloomer, entering Hogwarts at sixteen?
He'd get the bullying of his life--and well-deserved, too!

I suppose he'd have to go into Hufflepuff, even though he's neither
loyal nor hardworking, on the theory that the head of Hufflepuff would
follow Helga Hufflepuff's policy of taking "the rest" and "teaching
them all she knew." He sure wouldn't be sorted into Gryffindor or
Ravenclaw.

Carol, who notes that JKR has stated in an interview that there
*might* be hope for Dudley's redemption, but who is quite sure it
won't come through the revelation of his magical powers!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 00:56:06 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:56:06 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <cd3e0k+sct6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd7936+ndfg@eGroups.com>

<snip>> Carol wrote:
As someone else noted, it probably has more to do with Josh 
Herdman(Gregory Goyle's) personal life interfering with his 
shooting schedule than with changes to the plot line.

Julie asked:
What about his personal life?

Pip explained: 
Exams. English public examinations. 
 
Not 'personal' in *that* sense. ;-)

Julie responded: 
Oh!  I thought you mean something had happened to Joshua or someone 
in his family!  Gotcha ;-D

Carol apologizes:
Mea culpa! Bad word choice. I couldn't remember the name of the exams
(not being a Brit) so I took the easy way out by generalizing, sort of
hoping you'd see the other message in the Message Index. :-0

Carol




From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Jul 16 02:00:05 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:00:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Class size discrepancy (and JKR's phone)
In-Reply-To: <cd78ma+q63k@eGroups.com>
References: <cd766a+esgf@eGroups.com> <cd78ma+q63k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3275.4.47.27.194.1089943205.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

pippin_999 said:

> :sings, to the tune of Eleanor Rigby: All the DADA students,
> where did they all come from?

By magic, of course.

Granted, 'hands-on/practical' classes like flying and Herbology might have
to be 'staggered' (professor choice on class size and/or monitoring of
supplies) while elective classes like CoMC and Divinations would not
require all students for a year to attend, however, that DADA count seems
too high for a single year/single house.  IIRC, unlike the movies,
Gryffindors don't share their DADA class with any other house.

The boys dorm was labeled 'x years', not 'x years - room #'.  Not unless
there's twenty-five girls and five boys.  For the 'brave' house, that's
kind of an amusing hypothetical stat.

Trying to figure out the logistics on student numbers is a bitch. {g}

Dina

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 02:18:16 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:18:16 -0000
Subject: crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <cd5evs+hv17@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd7dt8+eng3@eGroups.com>

Sophia wrote:

 <snip> I think I've figured out 
> who that boy is supposed to be! I'm reading OotP for the umpteenth 
> time, and as there are a couple of things in the PoA movie that 
> seemed to have been pinched form OotP (like some of Harry's anger 
> perhaps, and that playground) why not one more? In the Bloomsbury
ed. of OotP p.514, we read: "...it was the reaction he got from Malfoy, 
> Crabbe and Goyle. He saw them with their heads together later that 
> afternoon in the library; they were with a weedy-looking boy
Hermione whispered was called Theodore Nott."

Carol responds:
I actually have high hopes for Theodore Nott, who according to JKR (on
her official site), is Nott, erm, *not* part of Draco's gang. I hope
this boy was just an extra, playing the part that should have been
Goyle's, and that Theo will have an identifiable role of his own in
the later movies (preferably starting in OoP as preparation for HBP
and whatever Book 7 will be called). I've argued on the main list that
he's probably the same person as the "stringy Slytherin boy" who sees
the Thestrals. His mother, we know from JKR's site, is dead, and why
have two similarly described Slytherin boys?

Anyway, movies aside, I think Theo may be fairly important in the next
book. If he were to find out that Draco's father deserted his in the
MoM ("Leave Nott! Leave him, I say!"), we could see some sparks flying
between the two boys. Theo could even be the person who changes
houses, assuming that's not just a rumor.

At any rate, whether the skinny boy in the PoA movie is intended to be
Theodore or not, the real (book) Theo is in a Harry-like situation--
motherless and effectively fatherless, with his father in either
Azkaban or St. Mungo's, depending on how badly he was wounded. Will
Narcissa take in this pureblood "orphan" on orders from Voldemort? Or
will Snape have a teenage ward on his hands over the summer? I really
hope that JKR will make good use of him in the plot since she's taken
the trouble to give him a personality and a background, though
unfortunately she didn't let us read that scene between Draco and Theo
that she edited out of the book.

As for the skinny Slytherin boy in the film, he seems too Goyle-like
(except for his build) to be the quiet, intelligent, solitary Theo.
Maybe he's one of the Slytherin chasers--a walk-on who will walk off
when Joshua Herdman returns up and can take up the cudgel as Goyle.

If it's relevant, the boy who played the Hufflepuff seeker in the film
is not the young man who'll play Cedric Diggory in GoF. He's just a
Hufflepuff extra. I think (and hope) that the same is true in this
case (only, of course, this one is a *Slytherin* extra).

Carol





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 02:21:54 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:21:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A (Late) Birthday Wish
References: <cd6tt1+a1oj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c46adb$aaa2e200$6601a8c0@DocSavage>



> "Iggy McSnurd" wrote:
> > A slightly dazed and confused Iggy the Elf wanders into the room
> wearing lime green socks and a bright yellow vest with multicolored
> spots that he wears over his List-Elf uniform.

> Carol
>
> And to think that I was wondering how you were adjusting to your tea
> towel!
>

Iggy here:

*grin*  Iggy is a hired Elf, not one in normal service.  Iggy's old family
did not feel that his behavior was suitibly... sedate and servile... enough
for them.  He served well, but they said he was a little strange in the head
for them.  (They said he would have been better off as the Elf for a
travelling circus troup than a Pureblood family of their noble stature.  So
they gave him his first vest.)

Iggy knows the other Elves see him as odd for not minding so much that he
was given clothes, but he must truthfully admit that he is happier being his
own Elf because he is allowed to have a sense of humor and allowed to have
fun.  Much like Dobby, who's example he followed, Iggy decided to humbly
seek employment and came here, where they happily hired him.  Humble Iggy
gets one Galleon a month, one day off a week to have fun (which he was
ordered to do, although he felt that one day a month would be more than
enough), and enough fabric and yarn each month of his chosing to make three
vests, and six socks.

Other Elves see Iggy as being even stranger than Dobby, but Iggy is not
minding this, since maybe Iggy IS a little touched in the head as some say,
but he doesn't care since Iggy knows no other way of being.  Besides, Iggy
likes his vests and socks.  (He has even made a couple for the teacher who
asked for him to be hired, the Great Professor Flitwick.  Iggy thinks it's
because he knows how to make cherry sodas just the way the Great Flitwick
likes them.)

Iggy Elf
(aka:  Iggy McSnurd)










From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Jul 16 02:36:41 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:36:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] crabbe and goyle?
In-Reply-To: <cd7dt8+eng3@eGroups.com>
References: <cd5evs+hv17@eGroups.com> <cd7dt8+eng3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3305.4.47.27.194.1089945401.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

justcarol67 said:

> I actually have high hopes for Theodore Nott, who according to JKR (on
> her official site), is Nott, erm, *not* part of Draco's gang. I hope
> this boy was just an extra, playing the part that should have been

Leaky Cauldron's Tom, anyone?

For a character that manages an inn, I did *not* expect Igor in the movie.
 So, it could just as well be Theodore Nott or an extra.  Nott could
remain a peripheral character in the same manner of Dean Thomas, who also
has more of a backstory.

As to the Hufflepuff seeker in movie!POA, yep, he's not coming back for GOF.

Dina

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 02:51:23 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:51:23 -0000
Subject: Birthdays
In-Reply-To: <20040715124930.60281.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd7frb+mcou@eGroups.com>

Sam wrote:
 Could you add me in to please Sheryll? It's January 4th. I will be
thirty next year and probably feeling old and needing lots of friends.

Carol responds:
Thirty's not so bad. In fact, you can finally feel grown up and
understand that the teenagers who think that anyone over thirty is
"old" are suffering from a delusion. If you start thinking of yourself
as already being thirty a month or two in advance, when the Big Day
comes, yu're already used to it. Just a matter of training the mind.
Really. It worked for me, and, as Brett Butler said in her defunct
sitcom, "Pushing thirty? Honey, I'm trailing it behind me." In my
case, way behind me.

Carol, who knows you're not supposed to pull your grey hairs but
pulled three of them today anyway




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 02:58:44 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:58:44 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
References: <20040714221731.45668.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c46ae0$ceca75d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

Iggy here:

Well, I've been living here in the South for just over 4 years now, and I've
learned a few things -

1:  Whenever someone says something that can be seen as a negative, and adds
"bless his/her/their/your heart," it's seen as being ok to say since it's a
sympathetic phrase.  (For example:  "Bless her heart, but she's so skinny
she could get a tan through a picket fence..." is seen as a sympathetic way
of saying that someone needs to eat more.  Whether or not it's actually
MEANT like that is another story sometimes.)  On the other hand, if someone
simply says "bless your/their/his/her heart" by itself without anythign else
being said... then something's wrong with you.  (This was in full effect
when I had to call the physician's referral service at the local hospital to
get referred to 5 different doctors for 5 different things.  By the third
referral, and the lady saying "Well bless your heart..." the first two
referrals, on the third one I laughed and beat her to it by saying "I know,
bless my heart."  The fun part was, one of the first doctors I asked for a
referral to was a cardiologist.  *grin*)

2:  I am a former English / Writing major, posessed of a large vocabulary
and being rather articulate due to extensive focal/acting/speech training
and my writing training.  But no matter how articulate you are, after less
than a year down here you WILL find yourself using a LOT of what I refer to
as "relaxed English."  This isn't the sloppy or ignorant mode of speaking
that most people think all Southerners have, rather it's the more relaxed
way of thinking about talking that says "if you can understand what I'm
saying, what's the problem with how I say it?"  This is where those lovely
southern words like "y'all" ("you all", but used both as a singular and a
plural), "howsyermominem" ("How's your mom and them", a polite way of asking
how the family is doing.), "d'jeetyet?" ("Did you eat yet?" Asking simply if
someone has eaten lately, and often used as an invitation to join the
speaker for a meal.), and "Yunt-to?" ("Do you want to?", a simple way of
asking someone if they would like to do something.) come from.
    You can be educated at Oxford University in England, majoring in
Literature and Writing, and within a year of being down here, you WILL start
to sound like a redneck.  (Although a strangely accented one.)

3:  If you are male don't know about hunting (any kind that will bag you
food or trophies... hunting mice in our house with a BB gun doesn't
qualify), river, pond, or creek fishing (You know... anything where you have
to wade in or us a bass boat), or cars and trucks (usually enough to repair
most basic problems and a couple of advanced ones)... then you will never be
considered a "good ol' boy", or even a Southerner.  You don't need to know
about all of them, just one will do.  Of course, if you are proficient in
all three, then you are akin' to a Southern version of God on Earth to other
Southern men.  Barring knowing anything about these three things, then a
couple of tours of duty in the military as a non-com of any sort will
suffice.  (Unfortunately, I only know about literature, computers,
psychology, philosophy, and comparative theology... but down here, I'm still
seen as ignorant.)

4:  Since I live in an apartment building that's right next to a cow pasture
on one side, and the dumpster for the complex on the other (both about 15
yards away on either side), we get swarms of flies in the house on occasion.
Out of boredom, patience, and an odd whim, I discovered that it IS possible
to vacuum flies off the windows with the hose attachment.  It helps, of
course, if you know a bit about how flies detect danger... and, of course,
it also helps if you're both bored and a little eccentric.

5:  If a Southerner calls you a Yankee, and you're not from one of the
"Union" states, they will listen to you explaining that you're not and
accept it... if you're convincing enough.  (I've had a few people say "Yew
shore do talk funni...Are yew a Yankee?" *sorry, that's the best thick
Southern drawl I can write.*  My reply was "No, I'm not a Yankee, I'm from
California, so I'm a Westerner.  We stayed out of the whole Civil War
thing." They usually said "Oh, ok." and backed off.  *grin*)

Of course, I also learned a LOT of Southern phrases, and even some
superstitions, over my time down here as well.

More to come later... possibly.

Iggy McSnurd






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 02:59:53 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:59:53 -0000
Subject: JKR website
In-Reply-To: <cd4dis+752p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd7gb9+bgl5@eGroups.com>

"thekrenz" wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble getting on to JKR's website?  I have 
> tried several times and I get nothing but a yellow screen.  Anyone?

Carol responds:
I can't tell from your post whether you've been to the site before and
had no trouble previously or whether this is your first visit. If you
haven't actually entered the site before, you have to click on the
flag for your language to get in--in your case, presumably, the UK
flag. (There isn't a U.S. one.) If you already knew that, please
forgive me!

Carol, hoping this is what you needed to know!





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 03:06:01 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:06:01 -0000
Subject: Class size discrepancy (and JKR's phone)
In-Reply-To: <cd78ma+q63k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd7gmp+ss3p@eGroups.com>

I (Carol) wrote:
> >>It's not in "Professor Umbridge," though statements like
>  "half the class was looking at Hermione" seem to imply that 
> more than, say, six students are staring at her. (Can someone 
> help me out here.)<<
> 
> 
Pippin helpfully responded: 
You were on the right track. It's on page 246 of the US hardcover 
--Chapter 12, "Professor Umbridge" right at the top.
 
[He had] hardly talked to anyone about this, least of all thirty 
eagerly listening classmates.
 
:sings, to the tune of Eleanor Rigby: All the DADA students, 
where did they all come from?

Carol again:
Hi, Pippin! Thanks for coming to my rescue! I was *right on that
page*--I guess I just overlooked it (skimming rather than reading
because I'd already spent so much time on that post.

Anyway, I remember being surprised when I read that the first time
since there had always been only ten Gryffindors before. 

Carol

P.S. Are you going to FILK that lyric?




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 03:13:02 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:13:02 -0000
Subject: Class size discrepancy (and JKR's phone)
In-Reply-To: <3275.4.47.27.194.1089943205.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cd7h3u+c9g4@eGroups.com>

pippin_999 said:
> :sings, to the tune of Eleanor Rigby: All the DADA students,
> where did they all come from?

Dina responded: 
> By magic, of course.
> 
> Granted, 'hands-on/practical' classes like flying and Herbology
might have to be 'staggered' (professor choice on class size and/or
monitoring of supplies) while elective classes like CoMC and
Divinations would not require all students for a year to attend,
however, that DADA count seems too high for a single year/single
house.  IIRC, unlike the movies, Gryffindors don't share their DADA
class with any other house. <snip>

Carol adds:
You're right, they, don't--unless the policy changed in Harry's fifth
year. But the only students who speak up in Umbridges are the
Gryffindors we've always known--Hermione, Harry, Dean, and Parvati. So
how did we get from ten Gryffindors in Lupin's DADA class in PoA to
thirty in Umbridges? Is JKR trying to "fudge" the numbers to make the
number of students add up to 1000?

Carol







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 03:21:36 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:21:36 -0000
Subject: Iggy, the hired Elf
In-Reply-To: <001801c46adb$aaa2e200$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <cd7hk0+tanu@eGroups.com>

Iggy wrote:
> 
> *grin*  Iggy is a hired Elf, not one in normal service.  Iggy's old
family did not feel that his behavior was suitibly... sedate and
servile... enough for them.  He served well, but they said he was a
little strange in the head for them.  (They said he would have been
better off as the Elf for a travelling circus troup than a Pureblood
family of their noble stature.  So they gave him his first vest.)
> 
> Iggy knows the other Elves see him as odd for not minding so much
that he was given clothes, but he must truthfully admit that he is
happier being his own Elf because he is allowed to have a sense of
humor and allowed to have fun.  Much like Dobby, who's example he
followed, Iggy decided to humbly seek employment and came here, where
they happily hired him.  Humble Iggy gets one Galleon a month, one day
off a week to have fun (which he was ordered to do, although he felt
that one day a month would be more than enough), and enough fabric and
yarn each month of his chosing to make three vests, and six socks.
<reluctantly snipped>

Carol:
Does Iggy wear a tea cozy (or "cosy," I guess, in the British
editions)? Also, if he'll forgive my asking, does he wear a tea towel
under the vest and shoes with the socks? And what is his idea of fun?

Carol, who thanks Iggy for the laugh and hopes he will tell her what a
tea cozy is




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 04:33:32 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:33:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <cd72om+1154@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040716043332.48603.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for responding.  
I read that JKR interview, but I'm not sure of the English to American translation of it.  I'm American.  She said that Lily's parents were of muggle parentage.  As an American I would say, "Lily's parents were Muggles."  Similarly, I would say, "Dean Thomas' parents are black" and not say, "Dean Thomas' parents are of black parentage."  Parentage seems to suggest parents or ancestors.  Maybe someone on the list can clear this up for me.
A Squib has no magical powers and neither does a a Muggle.  I know that the definition of Squib is "someone who was born into a wizarding family but hasn't got any magic powers." (CS)  We've also seen Squibs having special bonds with cats.  If the two mated and had non-magical offspring what would they be called.  What if one of the non-magical offspring could communicate with cats?    A Muggle doesn't hold conversations with kitties unless she is a bit coo-cooey.  I ask again, what is that offspring called?
 
Kemper
who should be sleeping but enjoys this topic

justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> Carol,
> You wrote: I take JKR (or her narrator) at her word
> that they're Muggles and nothing but--especially after the Mark Evans

> I've been thinking of your theory.  And though Petunia might not be
a witch, maybe she can still be a Squib.  What do you call the
non-magical off-spring of a Squib and a Muggle?  Seriously, I want to
know.

Carol responds:

I was thrown for a moment because my snipped post and your response
were jammed together, with my original post at the bottom of the
message. I think I've got it sorted out now, and your part starts with
"I've been thinking of your theory," right? I'm responding on that
assumption.

Petunia can't be a squib because a squib, by definition, is the
nonmagical child of magical parents. Her nonmagical parents were
Muggles and so is she. Her witch sister, Lily, was a Muggleborn. (JKR
says something about this in one of her interviews. Sorry I don't have
the link handy.)

By the same definition, the nonmagical child of a Squib and a Muggle
would have to be a Muggle, since a Squib has to have at least one
magical parent, maybe two.

Carol






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From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 10:36:55 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern chatter
Message-ID: <20040716103655.68659.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com>

If you think all Southerners are rednecks, you are
very sadly mistaken,
sir. There are indeed rednecks and there are also
cultured southerners
and the accents have little in common.

Suzanne, a former Southerner

> Iggy here:
>     You can be educated at Oxford University in
England, 
> majoring in Literature and Writing, and within a
year of 
> being down here, you WILL start to sound like a
redneck.  
> (Although a strangely accented one.)



		
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul 16 12:34:48 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:34:48 -0000
Subject: Iggy, the hired Elf
In-Reply-To: <cd7hk0+tanu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd8i18+mqqb@eGroups.com>

Carol wanted to know, does Iggy

> wear a tea towel
> under the vest and shoes with the socks? And what is his idea of 
fun?

Now, now, keep it clean.  Some of us were having a nice innocent 
conversation about late-growing penises and channeling the spirits 
of dead hobbits.

David




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 14:28:18 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:28:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern chatter
References: <20040716103655.68659.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003801c46b41$239b67d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

> Suzanne, a former Southerner
>
> If you think all Southerners are rednecks, you are
> very sadly mistaken,
> sir. There are indeed rednecks and there are also
> cultured southerners
> and the accents have little in common.
>

Iggy here:

*laugh* I never said all Southerners were rednecks.  For one, I happen to be
half Southern (my dad was born and raised in the Carolinas) myself, and am
married into a Southern family.  I also pointed out that I happen to be
rather cultured and well educated myself, and even I find myself using
"relaxed English" on occasion.  I wasn't saying that everyone who was raised
down here, or who lives here for more than a year, will automatically start
sounding like the cast of Deliverance.  All I was pointing out with that was
the fact that, no matter how articulate and educated you are, after living
here for a while, you WILL pick up some of the Southern-isms and
occasionally relax you English.  (Just like not all New Yorkers talk like
the Sopranos, and not all Southern Californians sound like Bill and Ted.)

This basic rule would apply to an American moving to Britain (or vice
versa), someone from either place moving to Australia, Someone from
California moving to the South or to New York...  It's a basic social
psychology rule of "social merging with one's environment" and modes of
speech are one area most basically and profoundly effected by this rule.

One other little side note.  Part of the intent of the whole thread is to
make light of something... which is something I was doing.  I'm sure people
would say the same thing if we were having a thread about "New York Slang"
or "British-isms."

Iggy McSnurd






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 14:37:50 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:37:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Iggy, the hired Elf
References: <cd8i18+mqqb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c46b42$78c9a130$6601a8c0@DocSavage>


> Carol wanted to know, does Iggy
>
> > wear a tea towel
> > under the vest and shoes with the socks? And what is his idea of
> fun?
>
> David
> Now, now, keep it clean.  Some of us were having a nice innocent
> conversation about late-growing penises and channeling the spirits
> of dead hobbits.
>

Igy here:

Ummm, yeah... In an entirely different thread.

And I read the article, and have one word to say:  Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

For those who don't get the reference, it's my simple way of saying that
those girls belong on the Jerry Springer Show.  I can see it now:  "Girls
Who Pretend They Are Male Hobbits And Boy Wizards And The... well... things
that love.. er... them... and don't seem to realize that... (hey, will all
this fit on the bottom of the screen?)"

Iggy McSnurd






From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Jul 16 14:40:17 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:40:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <001d01c46ae0$ceca75d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
References: <20040714221731.45668.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>
    <001d01c46ae0$ceca75d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <1185.4.12.232.36.1089988817.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Iggy McSnurd said:

> Well, I've been living here in the South for just over 4 years now, and

Floridian pretty much all my life, minus my first year as an infant in
Chicago.  Not a 'deep south' gal... well, depends on how pervy you are.

I have a *slight* southern accent, but when I speak to someone with a
heavy southern accent, I start drawling right along with them.

As to the 'hunter' bit, one phrase I picked up from a co-worker was 'bend
you over like a double-barreled shotgun'.

Dina




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 14:52:02 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <001d01c46ae0$ceca75d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <20040716145202.41864.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>

Trust me, if someone says something negative followed by "bless her
heart," it's NOT meant sympathetically.  ("She can't help the way her mama
raised her.....bless her heart")  Adding the "bless her heart" just allows
the speaker to plead not-guilty to the insult.   And trust me, no one can
be as insulting as a southern woman with a kindhearted smile on her face. 
Most of the time, you're bleeding before you feel the blade!  Run....run
very fast.  

Iggy, I loved those Jeff Foxworthy'isms you quoted!  

Okay....back to Harry Potter!


--- Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at charter.net> wrote:
> Iggy here:
> 
> Well, I've been living here in the South for just over 4 years now, and
> I've
> learned a few things -
> 
> 1:  Whenever someone says something that can be seen as a negative, and
> adds
> "bless his/her/their/your heart," it's seen as being ok to say since
> it's a
> sympathetic phrase.  (For example:  "Bless her heart, but she's so
> skinny
> she could get a tan through a picket fence..." is seen as a sympathetic
> way
> of saying that someone needs to eat more.  Whether or not it's actually
> MEANT like that is another story sometimes.)  On the other hand, if
> someone
> simply says "bless your/their/his/her heart" by itself without anythign
> else
> being said... then something's wrong with you.  (This was in full effect
> when I had to call the physician's referral service at the local
> hospital to
> get referred to 5 different doctors for 5 different things.  By the
> third
> referral, and the lady saying "Well bless your heart..." the first two
> referrals, on the third one I laughed and beat her to it by saying "I
> know,
> bless my heart."  The fun part was, one of the first doctors I asked for
> a
> referral to was a cardiologist.  *grin*)
> 
> 2:  I am a former English / Writing major, posessed of a large
> vocabulary
> and being rather articulate due to extensive focal/acting/speech
> training
> and my writing training.  But no matter how articulate you are, after
> less
> than a year down here you WILL find yourself using a LOT of what I refer
> to
> as "relaxed English."  This isn't the sloppy or ignorant mode of
> speaking
> that most people think all Southerners have, rather it's the more
> relaxed
> way of thinking about talking that says "if you can understand what I'm
> saying, what's the problem with how I say it?"  This is where those
> lovely
> southern words like "y'all" ("you all", but used both as a singular and
> a
> plural), "howsyermominem" ("How's your mom and them", a polite way of
> asking
> how the family is doing.), "d'jeetyet?" ("Did you eat yet?" Asking
> simply if
> someone has eaten lately, and often used as an invitation to join the
> speaker for a meal.), and "Yunt-to?" ("Do you want to?", a simple way of
> asking someone if they would like to do something.) come from.
>     You can be educated at Oxford University in England, majoring in
> Literature and Writing, and within a year of being down here, you WILL
> start
> to sound like a redneck.  (Although a strangely accented one.)
> 
> 3:  If you are male don't know about hunting (any kind that will bag you
> food or trophies... hunting mice in our house with a BB gun doesn't
> qualify), river, pond, or creek fishing (You know... anything where you
> have
> to wade in or us a bass boat), or cars and trucks (usually enough to
> repair
> most basic problems and a couple of advanced ones)... then you will
> never be
> considered a "good ol' boy", or even a Southerner.  You don't need to
> know
> about all of them, just one will do.  Of course, if you are proficient
> in
> all three, then you are akin' to a Southern version of God on Earth to
> other
> Southern men.  Barring knowing anything about these three things, then a
> couple of tours of duty in the military as a non-com of any sort will
> suffice.  (Unfortunately, I only know about literature, computers,
> psychology, philosophy, and comparative theology... but down here, I'm
> still
> seen as ignorant.)
> 
> 4:  Since I live in an apartment building that's right next to a cow
> pasture
> on one side, and the dumpster for the complex on the other (both about
> 15
> yards away on either side), we get swarms of flies in the house on
> occasion.
> Out of boredom, patience, and an odd whim, I discovered that it IS
> possible
> to vacuum flies off the windows with the hose attachment.  It helps, of
> course, if you know a bit about how flies detect danger... and, of
> course,
> it also helps if you're both bored and a little eccentric.
> 
> 5:  If a Southerner calls you a Yankee, and you're not from one of the
> "Union" states, they will listen to you explaining that you're not and
> accept it... if you're convincing enough.  (I've had a few people say
> "Yew
> shore do talk funni...Are yew a Yankee?" *sorry, that's the best thick
> Southern drawl I can write.*  My reply was "No, I'm not a Yankee, I'm
> from
> California, so I'm a Westerner.  We stayed out of the whole Civil War
> thing." They usually said "Oh, ok." and backed off.  *grin*)
> 
> Of course, I also learned a LOT of Southern phrases, and even some
> superstitions, over my time down here as well.
> 
> More to come later... possibly.
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 14:56:49 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <cd78ju+s5l6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040716145649.95896.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm really having a hard time with this concept, and I guess I missed it's
origination.  

I've just started reading (I think this makes the 4th go 'round) the books
again, and as I've been going through SS again, I've been looking for
specific clues that might point toward this happening in book 6 or 7.

I just don't see it.  With all the mention of things that just "happen"
around Harry before he got his letter, there's no mention of anything
remotely similar occurring to Dudders.  And if there's anyone who would
find a self-serving use for any sort of magical powers, it would be him.

So....fill me in.  Where does this theory come from and why?

Marita


--- justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> MsTattersall wrote:
> Well, of course he would be sorted into Slytherin, and he would 
> quickly assimilate into the Malfoy posse--after all, they have a 
> common enemy! I see Dudley as a quick study in things likely to cause 
> the most grief and annoyance for Harry and the most enjoyment for 
> himself. After a little magical training, Dudley and Harry would be 
> on more level ground. 
>  
> 
> Carol:
> A Muggle (okay, Muggleborn, if you insist) in Slytherin, home of
> pureblood pride? And a late-bloomer, entering Hogwarts at sixteen?
> He'd get the bullying of his life--and well-deserved, too!
> 
> I suppose he'd have to go into Hufflepuff, even though he's neither
> loyal nor hardworking, on the theory that the head of Hufflepuff would
> follow Helga Hufflepuff's policy of taking "the rest" and "teaching
> them all she knew." He sure wouldn't be sorted into Gryffindor or
> Ravenclaw.
> 
> Carol, who notes that JKR has stated in an interview that there
> *might* be hope for Dudley's redemption, but who is quite sure it
> won't come through the revelation of his magical powers!
> 
> 


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 14:58:12 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:58:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Iggy, the hired Elf
References: <cd7hk0+tanu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004401c46b45$5125be40$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

> Carol:
> Does Iggy wear a tea cozy (or "cosy," I guess, in the British
> editions)? Also, if he'll forgive my asking, does he wear a tea towel
> under the vest and shoes with the socks? And what is his idea of fun?
>
> Carol, who thanks Iggy for the laugh and hopes he will tell her what a
> tea cozy is
>

Iggy here:

Well, to answer the last question there, Miss, a tea cosy is a quilted cover
shaped much like a hood that Elvses put over a tea pot to keep the tea
inside for their employers, and that the Wizardses and Witch ladies uses to
keep their tea pots warm.

Iggy does not wear a tea cosy, since that would look silly in Iggy's
opinion.  He does, though, wear he uniform of a tea towel draped over
hisself under the other clothes Iggy wears.  Hats and tea cosies are not
something Iggy enjoys since they hold his ears in too tight and pinch them
even when they don't need pinching.  Iggy is happy enough, and warm enough,
with his vests and socks, Miss, and only occasionally wears an old scarf or
two when he must go out into the snow for some reason.

For what Iggy does for fun, Miss, after he has made his new vests and socks,
Iggy likes to read (the Great Professor Flitwick lends Iggy books from his
own collection or gets them from the library for him) and is being taught
Wizard's Chess by a boy named Nicholas who is new to Ravenclaw.  Iggy also
enjoys visiting Haggrid to learn about other magical creatures, and
occasionally is asked by one of the Professorses to run an errand down to
Hogsmeade.  (The Great Flitwick likes many things from Honeydukes, as does
the Powerful Professor Dumbledore, so Iggy is allowed to sometimes go there
before the store opens and buy stuff for them, and even is given a sweet
from the kind Honeyduke's themselves, generous humans they is.  He is even
allowed to buy some sweets for himself if Iggy has money left from buying
vests and socks.)

Iggy Elf
(aka: Iggy McSnurd)







From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 15:45:13 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:45:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] southern  chatter
References: <20040714221731.45668.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>    <001d01c46ae0$ceca75d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage> <1185.4.12.232.36.1089988817.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c46b4b$e22ce9d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

>> Iggy McSnurd said:
>
> > Well, I've been living here in the South for just over 4 years now, and

> Dina:
>
> Floridian pretty much all my life, minus my first year as an infant in
> Chicago.  Not a 'deep south' gal... well, depends on how pervy you are.

Iggy here:

Ummm... TMI there, darlin'...

> Dina:
>
> I have a *slight* southern accent, but when I speak to someone with a
> heavy southern accent, I start drawling right along with them.

Iggy here:

That's the way it tends to work with me too.  I talk, for the most part,
like someone from central California.  (I was raised there for 27 years,
moving there when I was 3, and moving down here when I was 30.)  But, if I
spend more than about 15 minutes around someone with a "Southern drawl," I
begin to talk like they do.  Of course, I'm also that way when I've spent
time around a friend's English parents, and an old friend of mine's Scottish
mother.  (Yes, not only can I completely understand the Glasgow accent, but
I ended up developing the ability to affect a Scottish accent that even
fools native Scotts.)

This whole "rule of adaption" is something I am naturally good at, and
allows me to be very proficient at natural phonetic mimicy and easily
acquire accents I'm around for any decent length of time...  (When I did
call center customer service for a cable company in California, I confused a
lot of the Hispanic callers.  I speak only a few phrases in Spanish...
mostly enough to let people know that I don't speak Spanish, and asking them
to please hold while I get them someone who can help them.  I was able to
use these phrases with such a natural accent that the Hispanic customers
were saying to the other CS people that they didn't know why I couldn't help
them, since I was obviously fluent in Spanish at a native level.)

Now, while I tend to "absorb" a lot of the local modes of speech a lot more
readily than most, the rule still applies.  It also works in reverse... You
can be born and raised for 30 years in one place... but if you move to a
place with a different dialect, and go back home, the people from where you
originally lived will often notice a change in your accent... intentional or
not.

> Dina:
>
> As to the 'hunter' bit, one phrase I picked up from a co-worker was 'bend
> you over like a double-barreled shotgun'.
>

Iggy here:

Oddly enough, I understand that one... and I've never heard it before.  (For
those who don't know, a double barreled shotgun is a weapon that's known as
a "breech loader", which means you actually "break" the weapon in the middle
to expose the base of the barrel... or cylinders if it's a revolver like
some of the ones in the American Old West... pull out the spent shells, and
reload in the new ones before snapping the weapon back straight to lock it
in place.  Unlike more modern styled firearms, the spent cartridges in a
"breech loader" don't eject automatically.)

It could mean that he's gonna "break" you... Of course, if he likes hunting
and loves his gun, it could also mean he likes you.  (Not like that, ya
freak...)

Iggy McSnurd






From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Fri Jul 16 16:04:58 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:04:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <20040716145649.95896.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <cd78ju+s5l6@eGroups.com>
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Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040716115855.033428c0@mail.toltbbs.com>

Marita wrote:

>I'm really having a hard time with this concept, and I guess I missed it's
>origination.
>
>I've just started reading (I think this makes the 4th go 'round) the books
>again, and as I've been going through SS again, I've been looking for
>specific clues that might point toward this happening in book 6 or 7.
>
>I just don't see it.  With all the mention of things that just "happen"
>around Harry before he got his letter, there's no mention of anything
>remotely similar occurring to Dudders.  And if there's anyone who would
>find a self-serving use for any sort of magical powers, it would be him.
>
>So....fill me in.  Where does this theory come from and why?
>
>Marita

Now Phil:
In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached them: Dudley was
curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his face; a second
dementor was crouching low over him, gripping his wrists in its slimy
hands, prizing them slowly, almost lovingly apart, lowering its
hooded head toward Dudley's face as though about to kiss him.

Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his face if he couldn't see 
them?
Muggles can't see dementors.
Phil





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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 15:58:21 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:58:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
References: <20040716145202.41864.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005401c46b4d$b82fa300$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

>From: "Marita Jan"
>
> Trust me, if someone says something negative followed by "bless her
> heart," it's NOT meant sympathetically.  ("She can't help the way her mama
> raised her.....bless her heart")  Adding the "bless her heart" just allows
> the speaker to plead not-guilty to the insult.   And trust me, no one can
> be as insulting as a southern woman with a kindhearted smile on her face.
> Most of the time, you're bleeding before you feel the blade!  Run....run
> very fast.
>

Iggy here:

*laugh* Actually, what you say is true for the most part... But there are
times when it actually is an expression of sympathy.  (It's knowing WHEN
that's the hard part...)

Here's how I decode it:

If the phrase follows the statement, like in your example, then count it as
a "left handed" comment.  (A phrase that applies here, even though I don't
like it... being left handed myself.  It means that you're saying something
politely, but it's intent is either condescending or insulting.)

If the phrase proceeds the statement, then it's a rough 75% chance insult,
25% chance sympathy... To tell which it is, you generally have to actually
KNOW the person saying it, although sometimes you can figure it out by
reading the eyes and face of the speaker.  (Unless they're an older Southern
lady... then you're outta luck, since they're experts at hiding their intent
behind the phrase.)

If the phrase is said by itself, then it's about 35-40% chance to be
favorable, and 60-65% chance to be "left handed."  If it's something you
can't help (like my health problems, or a homely child...) then you're
usually in luck, since it can often be sympathy for your lot in life.  If
it's something you have ANY say in WHATSOEVER... (like how you dress,
whether your spouse drinks a little too much, or you're in debt up to your
eyebrows...) then you'd best figure that it's a way of politely saying that
you're a moron for letting yourself stay in the situation you're in... or
getting there int he first palce.  Your best way in determining the intent
here is look at what the phrase is addressing, and the tone of voice.

But on the whole, I agree with you...

Your best bet is to stock up on bandages and antiseptic when you're around
anyone who uses the phrase.


Iggy McSnurd.






From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Jul 16 16:29:45 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:29:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <004f01c46b4b$e22ce9d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
References: <20040714221731.45668.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>   
    <001d01c46ae0$ceca75d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
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    <004f01c46b4b$e22ce9d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
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Iggy McSnurd said:

> Ummm... TMI there, darlin'...

Tsk, tsk.  Shame on your mind being in the gutter.


> This whole "rule of adaption" is something I am naturally good at, and

Pity this 'adaption' doesn't work as easily on writing.  If I ever want to
try my hand at HP fanfic, various 'Americanisms' would appear.

Dina




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 17:28:00 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <005401c46b4d$b82fa300$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <20040716172800.60140.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>




>From: "Marita Jan"
>
> Trust me, if someone says something negative followed by "bless her heart," it's NOT meant sympathetically.  ("She can't help the way her mama raised her.....bless her heart")  Adding the "bless her heart" just allows the speaker to plead not-guilty to the insult.   And trust me, no one can be as insulting as a southern woman with a kindhearted smile on her face. Most of the time, you're bleeding before you feel the blade!  Run....run very fast.
>

Iggy here:

*laugh* Actually, what you say is true for the most part... But there are times when it actually is an expression of sympathy.  (It's knowing WHEN that's the hard part...)

Here's how I decode it:

If the phrase follows the statement, like in your example, then count it as a "left handed" comment.  (A phrase that applies here, even though I don't like it... being left handed myself.  It means that you're saying something politely, but it's intent is either condescending or insulting.)

If the phrase proceeds the statement, then it's a rough 75% chance insult, 25% chance sympathy... To tell which it is, you generally have to actually KNOW the person saying it, although sometimes you can figure it out by
reading the eyes and face of the speaker.  (Unless they're an older Southern lady... then you're outta luck, since they're experts at hiding their intent behind the phrase.)

If the phrase is said by itself, then it's about 35-40% chance to be favorable, and 60-65% chance to be "left handed."  If it's something you can't help (like my health problems, or a homely child...) then you're
usually in luck, since it can often be sympathy for your lot in life.  If it's something you have ANY say in WHATSOEVER... (like how you dress, whether your spouse drinks a little too much, or you're in debt up to your
eyebrows...) then you'd best figure that it's a way of politely saying that you're a moron for letting yourself stay in the situation you're in... or getting there int he first palce.  Your best way in determining the intent
here is look at what the phrase is addressing, and the tone of voice.

But on the whole, I agree with you...

Your best bet is to stock up on bandages and antiseptic when you're around anyone who uses the phrase.


Iggy McSnurd.



I have to admit that you pretty much have it!!  Being an "older (42) Southern woman raised in the old way" I would say that you have a pretty good chance of missing the knives being thrown!!!  Bless your heart!!

Don't forget the variation of it: "Bless your pea-pickin' heart."

moonmyyst


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 17:31:49 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:31:49 -0500
Subject: Billy and Mandy return to Toadblatt's
Message-ID: <007701c46b5a$c6f43ba0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

Iggy here:

As those of you who are fans of the Cartoon Network show "the Grim
Adventures of Billy and Mandy" might know, they did a Harry Potter spoof
where Billy and Mandy ended up going to school at "Toadblatt's School of
Sorcery" and meeting a dweeb by the name of Nigel Planter.  (Who also
posesses a scar on his brow, but this one is an "L" in the middle of his
forehead.  Some of you will get the meaning of that one.)

Well, tonight, at 7:30 and 9:30pm (Central Daylight Time) on Cartoon
Network, they return to Toadblatt's School of Sorcery to save Nigel from
Lord Moldybutt.in "Nigel Planter and the Chamber Pot of Secrets."

Just thought y'all would like to know.  *grin*

Iggy McSnurd






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 17:36:13 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:36:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
References: <20040716172800.60140.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c46b5b$65e26bb0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

> moonmyyst
>
> I have to admit that you pretty much have it!!  Being an "older (42)
Southern woman raised in the old way" I would say that you have a pretty
good chance of missing the knives being thrown!!!  Bless your heart!!
>
> Don't forget the variation of it: "Bless your pea-pickin' heart."
>

Iggy here:

Yeah... Just like I knew to dodge that one you threw at me.  *grin*

(Remember... "if it's said at the end"... *chuckle*)


Iggy McSnurd





From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 17:42:10 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern chatter
In-Reply-To: <003801c46b41$239b67d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <20040716174210.61582.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>



Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at charter.net> wrote:


Iggy here:

*laugh* I never said all Southerners were rednecks.  

moonmyyst : I AM!!!

Iggy: I wasn't saying that everyone who was raised down here, or who lives here for more than a year, will automatically start sounding like the cast of Deliverance.  

moonmyyst:  I white-water rafted that river

 

Iggy: All I was pointing out with that was the fact that, no matter how articulate and educated you are, after living here for a while, you WILL pick up some of the Southern-isms and occasionally relax you English.  

moonmyyst:  I drove the poor list elves crazy with my postings!!





moonmyyst (who thinks anyone not from north Georgia talks funny)


		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 17:59:19 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <cd778i+tctv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040716175919.36871.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>



justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Moonmyst wrote:
What If??
> We have had several posts talking about the Dursleys ending up in
the Wizarding World at the beginning of the next book.  There have
been many theories as to how they end up there and where they go. 
Let's play "what if" now and take it a step further.  Reguardless of
how they get there, imagine the culture shock!! <snip>

Carol:
Alternatively, imagine Snape (or your own favorite pureblood wizard,
one with no notion of Muggle life whatever) stranded at an airport
without his wand and unable to apparate. (How'd he get there? Erm, a
Muggleborn put a spell on him?)

Carol




I think Snape would be able to figure it out.  He is very smart and cunning.  What about Draco?  Oh, my!!  I can sit and think about that one for hours!!

moonmyyst


		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 18:05:18 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <001d01c46ae0$ceca75d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <20040716180518.70577.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>



Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at charter.net> wrote:
5:  If a Southerner calls you a Yankee, and you're not from one of the "Union" states, they will listen to you explaining that you're not and accept it... if you're convincing enough.  (I've had a few people say "Yew
shore do talk funni...Are yew a Yankee?" *sorry, that's the best thick Southern drawl I can write.*  My reply was "No, I'm not a Yankee, I'm from California, so I'm a Westerner.  We stayed out of the whole Civil War
thing." They usually said "Oh, ok." and backed off.  *grin*)



My ex-mother-in-law would always refer to anyone not from our state as "ferners" and they all lived "out yonder".  She also called Florida "Flordie"  and instead of helping someone, you "hoped" someone.

moonmyyst (who has 4 degrees and can garden, wildcraft, sew, quilt, and can can a mean jar of fig jam)


		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 18:50:46 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <20040716145649.95896.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040716185046.83170.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>



Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm really having a hard time with this concept, and I guess I missed it's
origination.  

I've just started reading (I think this makes the 4th go 'round) the books
again, and as I've been going through SS again, I've been looking for
specific clues that might point toward this happening in book 6 or 7.

I just don't see it.  With all the mention of things that just "happen"
around Harry before he got his letter, there's no mention of anything
remotely similar occurring to Dudders.  And if there's anyone who would
find a self-serving use for any sort of magical powers, it would be him.

So....fill me in.  Where does this theory come from and why?

Marita




I do not have the quotes - can someone help me here?  JKR made a statement in one of her interviews when it was asked if anyone developed magical powers after the age of 11, she stated that it was extremely rare but that one character might develop them late in life.  Specualtion has gone from Mrs Figg, Filch, Hagrid (I find this one tough since he is already magical, just not allowed to use it and could be better if he had more practice) to Dudders and his mom.  As far as not showing signs, specualtion as also been that as part of the arrangement for Harry to stay on Privet Drive was that Petunia was made to understand that her wonderful "normal" son actually was a potential wizzard and if she would let Harry stay, then he would help to suppress the powers.  Remember when the powers come out?  When the child is in a high state of emotions.  What happens everytime Dudders gets upset?  He gets spoiled and given gifts.  This is where the idea comes from.  Just taking another red
 herring a bit further just for the fun of it!!

moonmyyst (who cannot wait to see Dudders face down Draco and cronies after Draco finds his way back from the airport!! - sorry - a different thread!!)


		
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From mswiseabc123 at aol.com  Fri Jul 16 18:55:51 2004
From: mswiseabc123 at aol.com (mswisegrade3)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:55:51 -0000
Subject: southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <20040716180518.70577.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd98bn+dnnh@eGroups.com>

> Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
> 5:  If a Southerner calls you a Yankee, and you're not from one of 
the "Union" states, they will listen to you explaining that you're 
not and accept it... if you're convincing enough.  (I've had a few 
people say "Yew
> shore do talk funni...Are yew a Yankee?" *sorry, that's the best 
thick Southern drawl I can write.*  My reply was "No, I'm not a 
Yankee, I'm from California, so I'm a Westerner.  We stayed out of 
the whole Civil War
> thing." They usually said "Oh, ok." and backed off.  *grin*)

Now Missy: 

I've got to respond to this out of guilt... After being raised in a 
small southern town (Well, it isn't really a town, but we do have a 
gas station!) I have noticed myself thinking along those lines 
whenever I meet someone with a 'non-southern' accent. The problem is 
that in some larger cities in the south that even the residents there 
speak with a different accent! So I have had to accept the fact that 
I live in one of those stereotypically red-neck places and remind 
myself that even if you talk like a Yankee it doesn't mean you are. 
My grandpa thinks I'm too open-minded :-)

Missy.... whose high-school football field was in a cow pasture... )
Hey it was the flattest land around!) And who just realized that it 
might sound like I mean being a Yankee is a bad thing... I didn't! 
Just a characterization that we give to all you people who talk like 
the ones on TV... lol 





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 20:33:51 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:33:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040716115855.033428c0@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <20040716203351.91287.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't have all my books here at the office so I can't quote directly,
but I remember reading something about Muggles not being able to SEE them
but they could FEEL them, i.e., hopeless, full of despair, etc.   When I
read that passage about Dudley, I just assumed he was being overcome with
those feelings and was reacting accordingly.  

Do Dementors distinguish between Muggles and wizard-folk?  Don't they just
go after anyone unlucky enough to cross their paths?

Marita

--- Phil Vlasak <pcsgames at toltbbs.com> wrote:
> Marita wrote:
> 
> >I'm really having a hard time with this concept, and I guess I missed
> it's
> >origination.
> >
> >I've just started reading (I think this makes the 4th go 'round) the
> books
> >again, and as I've been going through SS again, I've been looking for
> >specific clues that might point toward this happening in book 6 or 7.
> >
> >I just don't see it.  With all the mention of things that just "happen"
> >around Harry before he got his letter, there's no mention of anything
> >remotely similar occurring to Dudders.  And if there's anyone who would
> >find a self-serving use for any sort of magical powers, it would be
> him.
> >
> >So....fill me in.  Where does this theory come from and why?
> >
> >Marita
> 
> Now Phil:
> In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
> Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached them: Dudley was
> curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his face; a second
> dementor was crouching low over him, gripping his wrists in its slimy
> hands, prizing them slowly, almost lovingly apart, lowering its
> hooded head toward Dudley's face as though about to kiss him.
> 
> Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his face if he couldn't
> see 
> them?
> Muggles can't see dementors.
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jul 16 21:32:08 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:32:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dursleys - Wizards
References: <20040716203351.91287.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c46b7c$59307080$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

> Marita
>
> I don't have all my books here at the office so I can't quote directly,
> but I remember reading something about Muggles not being able to SEE them
> but they could FEEL them, i.e., hopeless, full of despair, etc.   When I
> read that passage about Dudley, I just assumed he was being overcome with
> those feelings and was reacting accordingly.
>
> Do Dementors distinguish between Muggles and wizard-folk?  Don't they just
> go after anyone unlucky enough to cross their paths?
>

Iggy here:

I don't know the exact passage either, but IIRC it was mentioned by Lupin
(on the train, I think, or in one of the sessions with Harry learning the
Patronus Charm) that Lupin informed Harry that Muggles can feel the presence
of Dementors.

Personally, I suffer from occasional and accute waves of severe ennui,
depression, or black moods that will hit me suddenly and then fade away
after a few minutes.  My wife knows exactly what I mean when I look at her
and say "I think that a Dementor just walked by..."

My theory is that Dementors never administer the "Kiss" on a Muggle... but
one may linger for a long time around a particularly emotional Muggle, thus
driving them into a state of neurosis and severe depression that may require
"inpatient" treatment at its most extreme levels.  It seems reasonable that
Dementors can feed on any strong emotion, but can only truly consume the
soul of a magical person.  (Of course, the administering the "Kiss" on a
Muggle MIGHT explain some of the instances of extreme catatonia that might
be found in some inpatient hospitals.  It's not that the person's mind has
snapped, it's that they have been "kissed" my a Dementor and their soul is
gone...)

Just my two centaur's worth

Iggy McSnurd






From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 21:48:44 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:48:44 -0000
Subject: Class size discrepancy of DADA & Relative School SIze
In-Reply-To: <cd7h3u+c9g4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd9ifs+ubke@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:

> 
> Carol adds:
> You're right, they, don't (share DADA with other house)--unless the 
> policy changed in Harry's fifth year. But the only students who 
> speak up in Umbridges are the Gryffindors we've always known 
> --Hermione, Harry, Dean, and Parvati. 
> 
> So how did we get from ten Gryffindors in Lupin's DADA class in PoA 
> to thirty in Umbridges? 
>
> Is JKR trying to "fudge" the numbers to make the number of students 
> add up to 1000?
> 
> Carol

Asian_lovr2:

I think we need to be careful not to be too literal. People frequently
speak and think in generalities, and more importantly, in exagerations.

I can remember coming home from the local swimming pool on a hot
summer day and telling my mother 'there must have been a million kids
at the pool'. Of course, I'm merely saying the pool was crowded, no
reasonable person would think a pool in a town of 1,500 would have a
million people in it. 

So, while it's best not to take these things too literally, JKR would
have certainly done us all a favor by having Harry think 'a dozen'
rather than 'thirty'. 

I believe Harry also used the number 30, when refering to the number
of DE's in the graveyard, but that respesents a preception under
pressure, not an exact count.

As far as the school having 1,000 students, I think we are facing the
same thing; we take that too literally. When this subject came up
before, I looked up the historical enrollment figures for the
University of Minnesota and it's enrollment has fluctuated by about
30%. Given it's enormous size, the vast pool of students it draws
from, the quality of the school, and the stability of our local
economy, 30% is probably a pretty modest change.

In a small selective school like Hogwarts, student enrollment is
likely to fluctuate significantly. Illustration, I grew up in a small
town, average class size just under 25, yet there was one grade level
that only had 15 students (>40% variation). 

When JKR said Hogwarts was 1,000, I took that as the relative size of
THE SCHOOL itself, or I guess you could look at it as the enrollment
capacity. So, she is commenting on the size of the school, not the
size of the student body. Those two are not one and the same. 

So, that doesn't mean that the current enrollment is 1,000. We know
from reading the books that there are several rooms/classrooms all
over the castle that are currently unused or little used.

Also, the 10x4x7=280 assumes uniform size of all Houses and all years,
and that is very very unlikely. I have always speculated the
Hufflepuff house had the largest enrollment, Ravenclaw second, and
Slytherin & Gryffindor nearly tied for fewest number of students per
house. 

We have too small a window into size of individual class years, but
it's illogical to assume they are identical. 

Even given all this, you will have a hard time coming up with numbers
to justify 1,000 enrolled students. For me that's not a problem,
because I don't think the school is enrolled close to capacity. There
is too much evidents that sigificant parts of the school are unused to
assume full enrollment. 

I've always thought 400 (avg 14/year/house) to 600 (avg 21/year/house)
was a fair estimate. For reference, using my premise, the capacity is
36/year/house.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/asian_lovr2







From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 21:59:58 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:59:58 -0000
Subject: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040716115855.033428c0@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <cd9j4u+mc47@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Phil Vlasak <pcsgames at t...> wrote:

> 
> Now Phil:
> In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
> Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached them: Dudley was
> curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his face; ...edited...
> 
> Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his face if he
>  couldn't see them?
>
> Muggles can't see dementors.
> Phil

Asian_lovr2:

Simple, Harry told Dudley to cover his mouth.

--- Quote - Am Ed HB Pg 17 ---

"DUDLEY, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! WHATEVER YOU DO, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! ..."

- - - End Quote - - -

Just passing it along.

Steve/asian_lovr2






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 23:21:18 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <20040716203351.91287.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040716232118.10080.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>




Do Dementors distinguish between Muggles and wizard-folk?  Don't they just go after anyone unlucky enough to cross their paths?

Marita

 
 Now Phil:
In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached them: Dudley was curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his face; a second dementor was crouching low over him, gripping his wrists in its slimy hands, prizing them slowly, almost lovingly apart, lowering its hooded head toward Dudley's face as though about to kiss him.
> 
 Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his face if he couldn't see them? Muggles can't see dementors.
Phil
> 


 

Did anyone else get that nasty chill of foreshadowing when reading back through this scene for the second time, knowing all of the students in the DA that can now repel them?  A wall of silvery things chasing them back from the edges of the Quidditch Pitch where Harry is beating Slytherin and Malfoy again!!

moonmyyst


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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 01:33:42 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <cd9j4u+mc47@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040717013342.33441.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>



Steve <asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Phil Vlasak <pcsgames at t...> wrote:

> 
> Now Phil:
> In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
> Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached them: Dudley was
> curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his face; ...edited...
> 
> Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his face if he
>  couldn't see them?
>
> Muggles can't see dementors.
> Phil

Asian_lovr2:

Simple, Harry told Dudley to cover his mouth.

--- Quote - Am Ed HB Pg 17 ---

"DUDLEY, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! WHATEVER YOU DO, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! ..."

- - - End Quote - - -

Just passing it along.

Steve/asian_lovr2



Since when has Dudley ever done anything, anything at all that Harry said to do?  Especially if Dudley thought Harry was attacking him.  Unless he saw the Dementors.  I just find it very hard to believe that if Dudley did not see them, then he would be thinking that it was Harry doing the attacking, so why would he do what Harry told him to do and help in the attack.

moonmyyst 


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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 01:43:06 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern  chatter
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Message-ID: <20040717014306.78672.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>



mswisegrade3 <mswiseabc123 at aol.com> wrote:
Now Missy: 

Missy.... whose high-school football field was in a cow pasture... )
Hey it was the flattest land around!) And who just realized that it 
might sound like I mean being a Yankee is a bad thing... I didn't! 
Just a characterization that we give to all you people who talk like 
the ones on TV... lol 



That sounds like my old high school!!  And I could never play hookie in school because all of the teachers were either related to me, went to school with my older family members, or both.  My mom knew before the bus even go to school!!

moonmyyst (who grew up without a lock even being on her front door)


		
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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 02:43:58 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:43:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: what if??  Culture shock
In-Reply-To: <cd2610+86ea@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEAPDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

From: MsTattersall
| Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 22:33
|
| Well, of course he would be sorted into Slytherin, and he would
| quickly assimilate into the Malfoy posse--after all, they have a
| common enemy! I see Dudley as a quick study in things likely to cause
| the most grief and annoyance for Harry and the most enjoyment for
| himself. After a little magical training, Dudley and Harry would be
| on more level ground.

[Lee]:
I have a bad feeling that Draco would try to have his fun with
Dudders...after all, "Big D" isn't a pureblood and might resort to his
ham-like fists even before grabbing this new-found treasure--a wand.  I
could, either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on one's POV) see
Draco with a split lip but Dudders with some awful stuff growing out of his
nose...and I don't mean bogeys, either. <BEG>

However, I think Dudley is a quick study when it comes to learning tricks on
how to fight unfairly, so he'll eventually best Draco.  And, IMO, Harry will
probably watch and snigger as his two main nemeses have at it. :-)

Vernon might, given his personality, continue to work at Grunnings and keep
his mouth closed; it will be the one place where he feels a sense
of--uh--normality.  He can deal with real "normal" people and not have to be
inundated by those horrid magic tricks, etc.

Petunia, I expect, will resignedly play the balancing act, existing in the
wizard world but trying to do things, as much as possible, in a muggle way.

Just my two knuts. :-)

Later,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 03:29:27 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:29:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthdays
In-Reply-To: <20040715124930.60281.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEBHDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Sam wrote:
| Could you add me in to please Sheryll? It's January 4th. I will
| be thirty next year and probably feeling old and needing lots of friends.

Actually, 30 wasn't what got me.  It was when I
hit...thirty-three-and-a-third.  As I said to my husband, I'm spinning right
along! <LOL>

And for those of you who don't understand thirty-three-and-a-third...write
me off list. <BEG>

However, now I'm spinning faster at 45; maybe that's why I keep forgetting
so much. <Grin>

Later,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 03:49:34 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:49:34 -0400
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cd783n+u19p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEBJDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

I always have to laugh at "wonst," "twiced," "acrossed" and "hightth"
instead of "once," "twice," "across" and "height."  Art spent some time in
Chappel Hill, NC, and had some friends from those areas and has definitely
picked up the "hightth" thing which drives me nuts.

Oh--yeah--"warsh" instead of "wash."  That just kills me!  Uh--where'd that
extra R come from? <Snigger.>

Ah--I'd love some greens and cornbread!  Hold the pork. :-)

Love,
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Jul 17 04:08:07 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:08:07 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Class size discrepancy of DADA & Relative School SIze
In-Reply-To: <cd9ifs+ubke@eGroups.com>
References: <cd7h3u+c9g4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40F932C7.15475.946941@localhost>

On 16 Jul 2004 at 21:48, Steve wrote:

> We have too small a window into size of individual class years, but
> it's illogical to assume they are identical. 

Not necessarily.

Personally I reconcile the discrepancies between the size of the 
school in a somewhat similar way - I assume that Hogwarts, at 
capacity, has around 1000 students, and that for some reason at 
present (as seen in the HP books) it's not operating at capacity. 
If I had to come up with a reason I'd say it's because of a lack of 
available teachers.

But when dealing with a selective school (as Hogwarts seems to be) 
it's not illogical by any means to assume identical or near 
identical class sizes. It depends on the standards of selection - 
but with a selective school where it's the only school serving a 
particular population and there seems to be less places than there 
are potential students, I'd expect it to have pretty similar, if 
not identical, class sizes each year.

There's logical reasons why that might *not* be the case - but 
there's perefectly logical reasons why it could be.

As anyone who waded through my recent megapost on the mainlist 
(which received very few replies... sigh) will know, precisely how 
Hogwarts operates is something I spend a great deal thinking about. 
To me, that's a very interesting topic and things like the class 
size issue make it even more interesting.




Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 04:14:34 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:14:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern chatter
In-Reply-To: <003801c46b41$239b67d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEBKDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Iggy wrote:
| One other little side note.  Part of the intent of the whole thread is to
| make light of something... which is something I was doing.  I'm
| sure people
| would say the same thing if we were having a thread about "New York Slang"
| or "British-isms."

<Grin>  Personally, I love it! <Lee tosses Iggy an extra pair of socks...one
purple and one bright red.>

Now, can y'all from the South tell me what you call the type of sandwich
which is made with very long rolls which is often referred to in the
northeastern parts as a Hero, Wedgie, Hoagie, submarine, etc.?

When I lived in New York, I knew them as Submarine Sandwiches or Hero
Sandwiches; I could understand Submarine because of it's long shape, but
hero?

Then I moved out here to New Jersey and heard the terms "Wedgie" and
"Hoagie" (from South Jersey and Pennsylvania.)

So, I'd be interested in any other names for these sandwiches made with a
bread that looks like a long Italian loaf...or French loaf. <Grin>

Oh--yeah--the double meaning of "Sloppy Joe" really got me.  Now, the way I
knew it in New York, Sloppy Joe was a ground-meat based affair that was
slapped onto hamburger rolls and ended up being a delightful mess that
usually tasted good.  When I moved to NJ, the term Sloppy Joe was suddenly
this sandwich of some-coldcut-meat and a lot of coleslaw.  I'm so
confwoozled!

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Feeling very out of touch with a lot of "local" speech) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jul 17 04:19:23 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:19:23 -0000
Subject: From the Main List: Pronunciation of Pensieve and Seamus Threads
Message-ID: <cda9cb+i7bp@eGroups.com>

105866

From:  "meglet2" <mercia at ireland.com> 
Date:  Mon Jul 12, 2004  11:03 pm 
Subject:  Pronuciation of 'Pensieve'

I have been rereading GoF and find I am now wondering how to
pronounce pensieve. Up to now I have always mentally read it in a
French way (as though there were a grave accent over the first e)
and vaguely connected it in my mind with the French verb 'penser' -
to think. But then I realise that read in an English fashion it
would be a homonym of pensive, ie thoughtful, still of course a word
derived from the French verb penser. The suggestion of a sieve in
the word, ie something in which you could 'sift' your thoughts was
an additional pleasing complication. Now I am not sure in my mind
which pronunciation to prefer and find I swing back and forth. I'm
sure all those layers are part of JKR's intention with the word, but
just wondered if anyone else shared this confusion or if there was
any consensus out there on the correct pronunciation. A small niggle
I know but I would be interested to know if anyone else shared it.

Mercia
 


105867 

From: ladyramkin2000 <ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk> 
Date: Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:11pm
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve"

 
I have never been too sure how to pronounce this, but finally decided 
on "pensive" as it combines the idea of thoughts with sieve, i.e. it 
sifts the thoughts that are put into it. Obviously it is from the 
French "penser" but I don't think it is pronounced in the French 
fashion. Like so many English words derived from French, it is 
probably pronounced exactly as spelled.

Sylvia
 

105893

From:  "Katrina" <patnkatng at cox.net> 
Date:  Tue Jul 13, 2004  2:41 am 
Subject:  Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve"


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000"
<ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> I have never been too sure how to pronounce this, but finally decided
> on "pensive" as it combines the idea of thoughts with sieve, i.e.it
> sifts the thoughts that are put into it. Obviously it is from the
> French "penser" but I don't think it is pronounced in the French
> fashion. Like so many English words derived from French, it is
> probably pronounced exactly as spelled.
>
> Sylvia

Katrina:
That's how Stephen Fry pronounces it. Until I heard him say it, I
was pronouncing it pen-SEEV. But pensive sounds better and makes
more sense. Like Diagon Alley, etc. 


105952

From:  "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at aol.com> 
Date:  Tue Jul 13, 2004  7:38 am 
Subject:  Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve"

 
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Katrina" <patnkatng at c...>
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000"
> <ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> > I have never been too sure how to pronounce this, but finally decided
> > on "pensive" as it combines the idea of thoughts with sieve, i.e. it
> > sifts the thoughts that are put into it. Obviously it is from the
> > French "penser" but I don't think it is pronounced in the French
> > fashion. Like so many English words derived from French, it is
> > probably pronounced exactly as spelled.
> >
> > Sylvia
>
> Katrina:
> That's how Stephen Fry pronounces it. Until I heard him say it, I
> was pronouncing it pen-SEEV. But pensive sounds better and makes
> more sense. Like Diagon Alley, etc.

Geoff:
I've always pronounced it like pensive because I assumed that it is
one of JKR's wordplays - pensive=thoughtful - other examples being
Umbridge=umbrage (to take umbrage - to take offence at something
which is said or done) Diagon Alley=diagonally and Knockturn
Alley=nocturnally. 


106072

From:  "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at aol.com> 
Date:  Tue Jul 13, 2004  10:07 pm 
Subject:  Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve"/Riddle
 
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eldermomx3" <eldermomx3 at y...>
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000"
> <ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> > I have never been too sure how to pronounce this, but finally decided
> > on "pensive" as it combines the idea of thoughts with sieve, i.e. it
> > sifts the thoughts that are put into it. Obviously it is from the
> > French "penser" but I don't think it is pronounced in the French
> > fashion. Like so many English words derived from French, it is
> > probably pronounced exactly as spelled.
>
> MJ Here:
>
> Hi - I'm also a long-time lurker but a new poster here so hopefully
> I'm doing this right.
>
> The Scholastic.com's pronunciation guide says: PEN-siv

Geoff:
As I remarked in message 105952, I assumed it was one of JKR's
wordplays on pensive which is a normal English word, pronounced in a
perfectly normal English way.

Going off at a tangent, I was contemplating this word today when the
thought crossed my mind that, in English, a riddle is a type of
coarse sieve...... Hmmm. Is JKR trying to tell us something?


106034 

From: eldermomx3 <eldermomx3 at yahoo.com> 
Date: Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:58pm
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve"

 
    --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000" 
<ladyramkin2000 at y...> wrote:
> I have never been too sure how to pronounce this, but finally decided 
> on "pensive" as it combines the idea of thoughts with sieve, i.e. it 
> sifts the thoughts that are put into it. Obviously it is from the 
> French "penser" but I don't think it is pronounced in the French 
> fashion. Like so many English words derived from French, it is 
> probably pronounced exactly as spelled.

MJ Here:

Hi - I'm also a long-time lurker but a new poster here so hopefully 
I'm doing this right.

The Scholastic.com's pronunciation guide says: PEN-siv

The link for that is http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/ 
It's also audible so you can hear it pronounced.

It's a great link for all those tricky words.

-MJ
 

106521 

From: Phil Boswell <phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk> 
Date: Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:32pm
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve"

 
    "eldermomx3" <eldermomx3 at y...> wrote:
> The Scholastic.com's pronunciation guide says: PEN-siv
> The link for that is ttp://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/ 
> It's also audible so you can hear it pronounced.
> It's a great link for all those tricky words.

That's a great link, with some strange inconsistencies and one real
annoyance.

For example, if you look at the entry for "Mimbulus Mimbletonia", the
stressed syllables in the text are totally different from the spoken
version.

I was however torn between amusement and sadness that anyone might
need a guide to pronounce "Imperturbable".

Slightly unfortunately, perhaps, the given pronunciation of "Ludo" is
"LEW-do" and actually sounds more like "LEWD-o" which I don't think
was quite the idea :-)

I did like "Knuts" which is stated as "K'nuts" but sounds like
"K'noots": if I recall correctly this comes froma Danish name which
English school-children might recognise as "Canute", the king who sat
in the sea :-)

The REAL annoyance is that instead of giving us a pronunciation for
"Voldemort", it wibbles on about "Ssshhh, he-who-must-not-be-named". I
was hoping that it would show the French pronunciation which is what
JKR says she always uses. In fact I downloaded the interview at "The
Connection" which someone pointed out the other day and you can hear
this quite clearly.

HTH HAND
--  
 
Phil


106560

From:  "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  8:09 pm 
Subject:  Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve" and other HP terms

 
"eldermomx3" wrote:
The Scholastic.com's pronunciation guide says: PEN-siv
The link for that is http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/
It's also audible so you can hear it pronounced. It's a great link for
all those tricky words.

Phil responded:
That's a great link, with some strange inconsistencies and one real
annoyance. <examples snipped>

Carol adds:
Overall, though, I think it's more useful than not, and fun as well,
especially for those of us who aren't British and don't have the audio
tapes. (Kids will like it, too, especially those who are struggling a
bit with the later books.)

I was mispronuncing "knuts" as "nuts" (I like your connection with
Canute, BTW) and Rabastan Lestrange as RAB uh stan Le STRANJ (long A)
when it should be Ra BASS ton La STRAWGE. (Should have taken French as
my foreign language in high school and college instead of Latin, I guess!)

I was, however, mildly annoyed by the omission of "riddikulus," which
I prefer to pronounce as rid di KOO lus rather than "ridiculous,"
simply because that's too obvious and doesn't sound like a spell.

I was even more annoyed by a glaring error in the Discussion Guide:
Serpensortia is used to block unfriendly spells? That one bothered me
so much I actually e-mailed Scholastic about it--undoubtedly the wrong
people, but I hope they'll forward it. (I can just see the tech
support people, who expect questions like "How can I get Flash to work
with my browser, saying, "Huh? What kind of idiot sent us this?")

Carol


106567

From:  "fxs087" <fxs087 at yahoo.co.uk> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  12:00 pm 
Subject:  Pronunciations

Just wondering, how do you pronounce Seamus Finnigan's name? Is it
pronounced "SHAME-US" or "SEEM-US"?


106577

From:  "kartik_subram" <kartik_subram at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  9:25 pm 
Subject:  Re: Pronunciation of "pensieve"


> The REAL annoyance is that instead of giving us a pronunciation for
> "Voldemort", it wibbles on about "Ssshhh, he-who-must-not-be-named". I
> was hoping that it would show the French pronunciation which is what
> JKR says she always uses. In fact I downloaded the interview at "The
> Connection" which someone pointed out the other day and you can hear
> this quite clearly.
>
> HTH HAND
> --
> Phil

If you click on "Voldemort" multiple times, it ends up giving you the
actual pronunciation.


106585

From:  "Annette Hamel" <annettehamel at hotmail.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  9:01 pm 
Subject:  RE: [HPforGrownups] Pronunciations


<<Just wondering, how do you pronounce Seamus Finnigan's name? Is it
pronounced "SHAME-US" or "SEEM-US"?>>

Shame-us.

Annette
=^..^=

 


106596

From:  "Steve" <asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Sat Jul 17, 2004  12:23 am 
Subject:  OT: Re: Pronunciations

 
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd"
<CoyotesChild at c...> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <<.., how do you pronounce Seamus Finnigan's name?
> > Is it pronounced "SHAME-US" or "SEEM-US"?>>
> >
> > Shame-us.
> >
> > Annette
> > =^..^=


> Iggy here:
>
> Actually, according to an Irish friend of mine, the most accurate
> pronunciation is "Seam-us" closely followed by the variant "Same-us."
>
> Iggy McSnurd

Asian_lovr2:

Hi Iggy, sorry but you actually confused me.

I have always said 'Shame-us'or 'Shay-muss', but that's just me.

SO...

'Seam-us' is that close to See+Muss?

Or, is the 'A' pronounced, as in See+ay+muss?

And-
'Same-us' is that like Say+Muss?

In addition, if Sean=Shawn then wouldn't Seam=Shawm and therefore
Seamus=Shawm-us or shaw-muss?

I realize my accent and sylables are in the wrong place but try to
ignore that for now.

Sorry for the distraction. Now back to your regularly scheduled
message group.

Steve/asian_lovr2

 



106599

From:  "Monica Coyne" <monica.coyne at tesco.net> 
Date:  Sat Jul 17, 2004  12:44 am 
Subject:  RE: Pronunciations


Just wondering, how do you pronounce Seamus Finnigan's name? Is it
pronounced "SHAME-US" or "SEEM-US"?


It's Shame-us. Rhymes with famous. Irish for James.


106605

From:  "Leeann McCullough" <libtax10375 at earthlink.net> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  11:38 pm 
Subject:  Re:pronunciation


fxs087 at yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Just wondering, how do you pronounce Seamus Finnigan's name? Is it
pronounced "SHAME-US" or "SEEM-US"?

Leeann responds:

I suppose it's a matter of geogrophy, but I have always pronounced it
"Shame-us". Having listened to a few of the books on CD, Jim Dale uses
that
pronunciation also. Of coarse, I have always had a problem with
"Shawn" vs.
"Sean". Then my kids have on Jimmy Neutron and he has a friend named
"Sheen". I ask them, is it "Shawn" or "Sean"? They say, no mom, we said
"Sheen". So I guess it can be whatever you want it to be.
Through the years with these books, I have "mispronounced" many words and
names. Hagrid, patronis, Hermione for example. I have let Chris
Columbus and
Jim Dale set me straight. As the mother of 3, I'm used to be corrected.

 


 
106636

From:    "eldermomx3" <eldermomx3 at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Sat Jul 17, 2004  4:49 am 
Subject:  Re: Pronunciations


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "fxs087" <fxs087 at y...> wrote:
>
>
> Just wondering, how do you pronounce Seamus Finnigan's name? Is it
> pronounced "SHAME-US" or "SEEM-US"?

It is pronounced
SHAME-US

Reference: http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter's Pronouncation
Guide.

-MJ




From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jul 17 04:26:04 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:26:04 -0000
Subject: From the main list: Cockney Rhyming Slang
Message-ID: <cda9ot+iqf9@eGroups.com>

106167

From:  "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at aol.com> 
Date:  Wed Jul 14, 2004  10:25 am 
Subject:  Re: Cockney rhyming slang (berk) (Was James the Berk)
 
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
> <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
>
> Carol:
> > Almost forgot the point of my post, which was to ask you for a
> > clarification of your Cockney rhyming slang remark. (I'm one of your
> > "American cousins," as I'm sure you know, and I've never quite gotten
> > the concept.) Berk = jerk? And wasn't it Sirius himself who first
> > applied the term to James and himself, so if *he* admits it, maybe
> > it's JKR's view, too?
> >
> > Also are there any other examples of Cockney rhyming slang in the book
> > that we should know about? And on a somewhat related note, Steve I
> > think) mentioned Ron calling Harry "mate" in OoP--the first time he
> > does so in the American editions. Does he do it earlier in the 
British
> > editions? (It grated on me at first; it seemed as if he was trying to
> > sound like the twins.)
>
> Geoff:
> Berk, nowadays, is generally considered a fairly mild term to apply
> to someone but in origin was a particularly unpleasant expression to
> use. It is a contraction of "Berkshire Hunt". For the sake of
> delicate eyes, I must leave the word with which it rhymes
> unwritten...... You just use your fertile imaginations.
>
> At this moment, I am furiously packing to go away for 10 days to the
> Isles of Scilly where I haven't got access to the Net (chorus
> of "aaah") and haven't time to follow up your second question - other
> UK posters may well do that. I hope I shan't return to find myself
> submerged in posts. The group seems to have gone into overdrive
> lately and, even severely limiting the threads I read, keeping up is
> a real headache.
>
> I'll be back....

Geoff again:
Answering my own post.

Being delayed, waiting for our travelling companion, I had
opportunity to look in my archive.

the following is a repost of message 80241, in which I tackled the
quesiton of rhyming slang......

*******
The topic of slang, idioms and pejorative language is interesting
when you look at the levels on which it operates and at JKR's use of
it ? or non-use - in Harry Potter.

A recent poster was not quite accurate in saying that the rhyming
element in Cockney slang is omitted; this is not always the case. I
lived in London from 1949-94 and obviously knew how both "true"
Cockneys and "ordinary" Londoners spoke. The example of "use your
loaf" (loaf = loaf of bread = head) was cited. Two others which come
immediately to mind are "take a butcher's" (butcher's = butcher's
hook = look) and "barnet" (barnet = Barnet Fair = hair). However,
some do not get curtailed in this way. "Apples and pears", rhyming
slang for stairs and "trouble and strife" for wife are still used in
full ? although they tend to be used by older folk nowadays. One I
also recall hearing once in my teens was "box of toys" for noise.

I was interested to learn that "berk" is from rhyming slang. I think
its origin is lost to many in that the pronunciation is different to
the original. "Berkshire" is one of those words where the "e" is
pronounced as an "a", i.e. pronounced "Barkshire". Other examples
include "clerk" pronounced "clark" and "Derby" pronounced "Darby".
Berk is pronounced as it is spelt. (As an aside, the reasons for this
as for many other quirks of English spelling and pronunciation are
well-documented in Bill Bryson's excellent "Mother Tongue").

Berk is one of those words which is used as a mild reproof despite
its "4-letter-word-which-may-not-be-named" origin. I would use it
jokingly in response to a friend saying or doing something
daft. "Git" or "prat" are stronger expressing a greater
dissatisfaction whereas the "Fs" and "Bs" etc. of this world
expressive very strong dissatisfaction. JKR seems to hold to these
rules in her writing as well. Obviously, as a children's book, the
language needs to be controlled. One of the things which has
surprised me in the films is that Ron, in particular, is a little bit
free and easy with some mild swearing which might still offend
listeners when coming from a child and which does not echo what is
said in the books.
*****

The thread continues, if you want to follow further.


 





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 04:29:40 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:29:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] southern  chatter
In-Reply-To: <004f01c46b4b$e22ce9d0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEBLDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Iggy says:
|
| Now, while I tend to "absorb" a lot of the local modes of speech
| a lot more
| readily than most, the rule still applies.  It also works in
| reverse... You
| can be born and raised for 30 years in one place... but if you move to a
| place with a different dialect, and go back home, the people from
| where you
| originally lived will often notice a change in your accent...
| intentional or
| not.

[Lee]: <Laughing very hard about this!>

Been there, done that...after a week of vacation in Portland, Maine and
returning to New York City.  It was hysterical!  It never ceases to blow
Art's (my husband's) mind.

It's often said that if one is musically inclined, this kind of adaptation
will occur quickly.  This may be true as I am so inclined. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jul 17 04:31:37 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:31:37 -0000
Subject: From the main list: The roots of "Avada Kedavra"
Message-ID: <cdaa39+jpmu@eGroups.com>

106573

From:  "kizor0" <ryokas at hotmail.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  8:46 pm 
Subject:  Roots of 'Avada Kevadra' (Was: Vanquishing Voldemort)

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "aggiepaddy" <aggie at r...> wrote:
> On a side line, does anyone else think that 'Avada Kedavra' is
> JKR's 'version' of Abracadabra? It's sounds remarkably like it to me
> and I find that quite an eerie thought!!!

I've come across this before. My freaky memory supplies that 'Avada
Kedavra' is actually the root of the modern 'Abrakadabra'. The phrase
is in Arabic, Aramecian or some other language in that general
direction, and a strict translation would be 'let the thing be
destroyed'. Its use was not as obvious as one'd think; someone else
will likely be able to fill in the details better.

- Kizor 




106604

From:  Erica Sadun <erica at mindspring.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  9:15 pm 
Subject:  Re: [HPforGrownups] Roots of 'Avada Kevadra' (Was:
Vanquishing Voldemort)

 
At 7:46 PM +0000 7/16/04, kizor0 wrote:

>My freaky memory supplies that 'Avada
>Kedavra' is actually the root of the modern 'Abrakadabra'. The phrase
>is in Arabic, Aramecian or some other language in that general
>direction, and a strict translation would be 'let the thing be
>destroyed'. Its use was not as obvious as one'd think; someone else
>will likely be able to fill in the details better.

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=abracadabra+aramaic>
offers any number of meanings and interpretations, from the
Aramaic (avada kedavra, meaning "may the thing be destroyed"),
to Hebrew and beyond

-- Erica 



106613

From:  "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Sat Jul 17, 2004  2:49 am 
Subject:  Re: Roots of 'Avada Kevadra' (Was: Vanquishing Voldemort)

 
> Erica wrote:
> <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-
1&q=abracadabra+aramaic>
> offers any number of meanings and interpretations, from the
> Aramaic (avada kedavra, meaning "may the thing be destroyed"),
> to Hebrew and beyond


Neri:
I don't know Aramaic, but I do know Hebrew, which is very similar. In
many cases (as in "Avada Kedavra") you just add the suffix "a" to the
Hebrew word, and you get the corresponding Aramaic word.

Based on my Hebrew I believe the common interpretation of Avada
Kedavra as "let the thing be destroyed" is wrong. We have:

"Avada" (Hebrew: "Avad") means "lost", frequently in the sense
of "died" or "destroyed".

"Ke" (same as in Hebrew) is a prefix meaning "by", or "as".

"Davra" (Hebrew: "Davar") usually indeed means "thing", but also
means "word", "saying" and in the bible "command", especially when
used with the prefix "Ke". For example, whenever a king of Israel is
properly religious, it is written in the bible that he did "KeDvar
Adonai" (literally: "as commanded by God").

So if we use the meaning Davra="a thing" we in fact get the
combination:
Avada Ke-Davra = "destroyed as a thing" which is meaningless.

But if we go with Davra="command" we get:
Avada Ke-Davra = "die as commanded" which is IMO the correct meaning.

Abra Kadabra is much more difficult to interpret. Kadabra could mean
the same as Kedavra (B and V are both denoted by the same letter
Beith). However, it is also possible that this combination has no
meaning at all and was only meant to sound like something in Aramaic,
as "hocus pocus" was meant to sound Latin, but (to my knowledge) has
no meaning.

Neri






From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jul 17 04:42:00 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:42:00 -0000
Subject: From the main list: Which Series Has the Most Characters?
Message-ID: <cdaamo+qc08@eGroups.com>

106467

From:  "ladyramkin2000" <ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk> 
Date:  Thu Jul 15, 2004  10:47 pm 
Subject:  Re: JKR and the Snape/Harry dynamic
 
Neri wrote:

>I can't think of any other literature work with so many characters
>that is described from the POV of a single character

David Copperfield? Great Expectations? Jane Eyre? There must be
dozens.

Sylvia (who will be livid if Snape doesn't get all that is due to him)


106478
 
From:  "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Thu Jul 15, 2004  11:30 pm 
Subject:  Re: JKR and the Snape/Harry dynamic
 
> Neri wrote:
>
> >I can't think of any other literature work with so many characters
> >that is described from the POV of a single character
>
> Sylvia:
> David Copperfield? Great Expectations? Jane Eyre? There must be
> dozens.

Neri again:
Sylvia, you chose three books that I last read a long time ago, so I
don't want to make any assertions, but go to:

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/wizards-a-c.html

take a quick scan, and tell me if any of the above books has that
number of characters.

Neri

 
106479

From:  "ladyramkin2000" <ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk> 
Date:  Thu Jul 15, 2004  11:55 pm 
Subject:  Re: JKR and the Snape/Harry dynamic

 
Hi Neri
It wouldn't matter if David Copperfield had twenty times the
(considerable) number of characters Dickens employs, the story would
still be seen entirely from David's POV, just as the HP books are
seen entirely from Harry's. But I did enjoy going through the list
you recommended. And hats off to JKR for vast array of people she has
introduced us to. More power to her elbow!

Sylvia 


106483

From:  "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  1:07 am 
Subject:  Re: JKR and the Snape/Harry dynamic


> Sylvia wrote:
> Hi Neri
> It wouldn't matter if David Copperfield had twenty times the
> (considerable) number of characters Dickens employs, the story would
> still be seen entirely from David's POV, just as the HP books are
> seen entirely from Harry's.


Neri:
Sylvia, I don't exactly understand your answer. I didn't say HP isn't
written from the POV of Harry. I said that it is.

To clarify, what I asked is this:
Out of all literature works that ARE written from the POV of a single
character, is there one that has more characters than HP?

A quick count of the characters of "David Copperfield" listed in:

http://www.ellopos.net/dickens/copper_characters.html

yields less than 30 ("Great Expectations" is way behind). I doubt
very much if this is close to the number of characters in HP, even if
we forget for a moment that HP is only 5/7 finished.

Neri
 


106486

From:  silmariel <silmariel at telefonica.net> 
Date:  Thu Jul 15, 2004  2:36 am 
Subject:  Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: JKR and the Snape/Harry dynamic

 
El Vie 16 Jul 2004 00:30, nkafkafi escribi?:
> > Neri wrote:
> > >I can't think of any other literature work with so many characters
> > >that is described from the POV of a single character

> > Sylvia:
> > David Copperfield? Great Expectations? Jane Eyre? There must be
> > dozens.

> Neri again:

> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/wizards-a-c.html

> take a quick scan, and tell me if any of the above books has that
> number of characters.
>
> Neri

On a quick scan, 'Beach of Steel' by John Varley can perfectly have that
number of characters, and 'The Firebrand' by Marion Zimmer Bradley (no
wonder
because it's The Iliad rewritten from Cassandra's PoV).

Carolina



106487

From:  dkewpie <kewpiebb99 at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  2:42 am 
Subject:  Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: JKR and the Snape/Harry dynamic

--- ladyramkin2000 <ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Neri wrote:
>
> >I can't think of any other literature work with so many characters
> >that is described from the POV of a single character
>
> David Copperfield? Great Expectations? Jane Eyre? There must be
> dozens.

How about "Lolita", one of JKR's most favorite books?
It's definitely one of the best example of "unreliable narrator" type of
literature.

K
 

 

106519

From:  "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  1:06 pm 
Subject:  The Number-of-Characters Challenge (was: JKR and the
Snape/Harry dynamic)
 
Neri originally mused:
I can't think of any other literature work with so many characters
that is described from the POV of a single character.

Neri later clarified:
To clarify, what I asked is this:
Out of all literature works that ARE written from the POV of a single
character, is there one that has more characters than HP?

Sylvia countered:
David Copperfield? Great Expectations? Jane Eyre? There must be
dozens.

Neri was not convinced:
A quick count of the characters of "David Copperfield" listed in:
http://www.ellopos.net/dickens/copper_characters.html
yields less than 30 ("Great Expectations" is way behind). I doubt
very much if this is close to the number of characters in HP, even if
we forget for a moment that HP is only 5/7 finished.

Adi:
Harry Potter books aren't written from Harry's point of view. They
are written from the author's bird-eye-view, if one may call it that.
Remember the first chapter of Book4 where the point of view shifted
to the action in the Riddle house though Harry wasn't there. Though
Harry was dreaming all this, it wasn't written like that.

Neri:
I won't get into technical terms of literature (so my ignorance won't
be revealed) but JKR does limit herself to what Harry sees and thinks
about 97% of the time. There are two chapters (out of about 100
overall) that are not written from Harry's PoV, plus several
paragraphs, mainly during quidditch games. This is good enough for me.

Carolina challenged:
On a quick scan, 'Beach of Steel' by John Varley can perfectly have
that number of characters, and 'The Firebrand' by Marion Zimmer
Bradley (no wonder because it's The Iliad rewritten from Cassandra's
PoV).

Neri now:
OK, you guys. It won't be enough to drop names. This is a serious
group here. If you come up with a book, you'll have to prove it.

No, I won't make you count all the characters in each book. We'll do
what scientists always do when they're too lazy to count. We'll
sample.

Take the book you proposed and open it in pages 1, 100, 200, 300,
400... and so on until the end of the book. Write down the characters
that are mentioned in these pages. Then count the characters you
wrote. An individual character only counts once, even if he/she
appears several times. Repeat the same procedure in HP, and I'm
talking about all five HP books taken together. Publish your result
here. And you'd better do a honest job, because if we're not sure
about the results, will send you to sample pages 50, 150, 250, 350
and so on.

I leave it to your fair judgment what name counts as a character and
what name doesn't, as long as you use the same criteria in both your
contender book and HP. To illustrate, I think that Blaise Zabini
shouldn't count as a character in HP (at least not currently) but
Seamus Finnigan should.

And remember, the prerequisite is that this book (or at least 97% of
it) is told from the PoV of the same one character. "Le Morte
D'Arthur", "War and Peace" and "The Wheel of Time" are out.


Neri




From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jul 17 04:46:45 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:46:45 -0000
Subject: From the main list: Which Series Has the Most Characters?
In-Reply-To: <cdaamo+qc08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdaavl+i92f@eGroups.com>

106580

From:  MadameSSnape at aol.com 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  10:15 pm 
Subject:  Re: [HPforGrownups] The Number-of-Characters Challenge (was:
JKR and the Snap...
 
In a message dated 7/16/2004 8:11:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
nkafkafi at yahoo.com writes:

Take the book you proposed and open it in pages 1, 100, 200, 300,
400... and so on until the end of the book. Write down the characters
that are mentioned in these pages. Then count the characters you
wrote. An individual character only counts once, even if he/she
appears several times. Repeat the same procedure in HP, and I'm
talking about all five HP books taken together. Publish your result
here. And you'd better do a honest job, because if we're not sure
about the results, will send you to sample pages 50, 150, 250, 350
and so on.

I leave it to your fair judgment what name counts as a character and
what name doesn't, as long as you use the same criteria in both your
contender book and HP. To illustrate, I think that Blaise Zabini
shouldn't count as a character in HP (at least not currently) but
Seamus Finnigan should.

And remember, the prerequisite is that this book (or at least 97% of
it) is told from the PoV of the same one character. "Le Morte
D'Arthur", "War and Peace" and "The Wheel of Time" are out.
================
Sherrie here:

A series, then, would be a fairer comparison than a single book -
unless you
also limit yourself to a single HP book. Obviously, five books are
going to
have more characters than any one single book.

Therefore - I nominate the Merlin series of Mary Stewart (The Crystal
Cave,
The Hollow Hills and The Last Enchantment - I won't even count The
Wicked Day).
The series is told entirely from the PoV of Myrddin Emrys, better known as
Merlin, and since it spans his entire (rather long) life, includes a
VERY large
number of characters.

Sherrie
(who readily admits it's been a long time since she's read these books -
since they don't have ANYTHING to do with Gettysburg!)



106582


From:  "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at yahoo.com> 
Date:  Fri Jul 16, 2004  10:41 pm 
Subject:  Re: The Number-of-Characters Challenge (was: JKR and the Snap...
 
Sherrie here:

A series, then, would be a fairer comparison than a single book -
unless you also limit yourself to a single HP book. Obviously, five
books are going to have more characters than any one single book.

Therefore - I nominate the Merlin series of Mary Stewart (The Crystal
Cave, The Hollow Hills and The Last Enchantment - I won't even count
The Wicked Day). The series is told entirely from the PoV of Myrddin
Emrys, better known as Merlin, and since it spans his entire (rather
long) life, includes a VERY large number of characters.

Neri:
Sure. I have no problem with a series. In fact it will be very
difficult for any single book to challenge the whole series of HP. So
I register the Merlin series as Sherrie's contender (Merlin is indeed
a worthy opponent for Harry...) but as I said before, I demand the
results of the sampling as proof. Therefore, please follow the rules
I suggested before: the number of characters appearing in pages
ending in 00 (that is 100, 200, 300 and so on) in all the Merlin
series, vs the number of characters in such pages in the HP series
(US or UK version or whatever translation you have).

Neri 






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 05:44:58 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:44:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] From the Main List: Pronunciation of Pensieve
 and Seamus Threads
In-Reply-To: <cda9cb+i7bp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEBNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Dicentra spectabilis forwarded:
| MJ Here:
|
| Hi - I'm also a long-time lurker but a new poster here so hopefully
| I'm doing this right.
|
| The Scholastic.com's pronunciation guide says: PEN-siv
|
| The link for that is http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/
| It's also audible so you can hear it pronounced.

[Lee]:
All well and good, but for us with text-to-speech screen readers, who can't
see the screen, the site is in flash which is utterly useless!  The words
are graphically created so they are unreadable, so I can't click on them to
hear them.  All I saw was the instructions to "click on any of the words..."
and that be that.  Most disappointing!  However, not at all surprising.

Cheers,
Lee, the Vexed

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 07:41:54 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:41:54 -0000
Subject: Class size discrepancy of DADA & Relative School SIze
In-Reply-To: <40F932C7.15475.946941@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdal82+kar6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2004 at 21:48, Steve wrote:
> 
> > We have too small a window into size of individual class years,
> > but it's illogical to assume they are identical. 

> Shaun:
> 
> Not necessarily.
> 
> Personally I reconcile the discrepancies between the size of the 
> school in a somewhat similar way - ... for some reason ... it's not 
> operating at capacity. If I had to come up with a reason I'd say 
> it's because of a lack of available teachers.
> 
> But when dealing with a selective school (as Hogwarts seems to be) 
> it's not illogical by any means to assume identical or near 
> identical class sizes. It depends on the standards of selection - 
> but with a selective school where it's the only school serving a 
> particular population and there seems to be less places than there 
> are potential students, I'd expect it to have pretty similar, if 
> not identical, class sizes each year.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Shaun Hately 

Asian_lovr2:

Here is were I'm coming from on the issue of class size. Hogwarts does
not choose students from the cream of the crop of the roughly 60
million citizens of the UK. They are choosing from a select group from
a small sub-culture. That creates a limited number of candidates.

If we work on your (I believe your's) permise that Hogwarts is the
premier University of Wizarding in the UK, and that only a very select
group of candidates are magical enough to get in, then we limit the
pool of candidates even more.

To save people the trouble of asking, based on my memory of that
premise, kids who don't make the grade are trained through various
home schooling, and apprenticeship programs. So they aren't completely
left out; the still get education and job opportunities. Just not the
same opportunities as those who go to Oxford, Chambridge, or Hogwarts.

My own personal take on alternate education is that there are-
-School of Witchcraft and Wizardry (equivalent to Universities;
actually only one in UK)
-Schools of Magic (equivalent to trade/techincal schools)

A regular muggle school that has a pool of millions with high demand
to get into these schools, where I suspect demand always exceeds
supply, can easily select enough students to fill their capacity. 

But Hogwarts doesn't have that luxury. If you simply don't have the
magical talent to get in, there is really no way to work harder to
make up for it in the way a muggle kid can study harder to make the
academic grade. 

In this sense, Hogwarts is more like a music or art school, as opposed
to a general education school. If you don't have the musical,
artistic, or magical talent, there is just no way you can work around
that in school.

So, things like low birth rates and a limited fluctuating pool of
qualfied candidates could easily make it difficult for Hogwarts to
meet capacity. 

Although, I do believe Hogwarts would take every available qualified
candidate, and expand the staff accordingly. Given Dumbledore's good
nature, he would not leave good candiates untrained because of a lack
of capacity or staff.

On the other hand, since Hogwarts seem financially sound, I don't
think they would lower their standards to meet capacity.

That's my take on the issue.

Steve/asian_lovr2





From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 08:28:38 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] accents and getting older
In-Reply-To: <1090020147.66739.65971.m23@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040717082838.41247.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>

Sam wrote:
 Could you add me in to please Sheryll? It's January 4th. I will be
thirty next year and probably feeling old and needing lots of friends.

Carol responds:
Thirty's not so bad. In fact, you can finally feel grown up and
understand that the teenagers who think that anyone over thirty is
"old" are suffering from a delusion. If you start thinking of yourself
as already being thirty a month or two in advance, when the Big Day
comes, yu're already used to it. Just a matter of training the mind.
Really. It worked for me, and, as Brett Butler said in her defunct
sitcom, "Pushing thirty? Honey, I'm trailing it behind me." In my
case, way behind me.

Carol, who knows you're not supposed to pull your grey hairs but
pulled three of them today anyway

now me:
lol, thank-you Carol. I've been trying to stop thinking like a teenager for years, maybe I'll finally manage it.




> Iggy wrote:
> You can be educated at Oxford University in
England, 
> majoring in Literature and Writing, and within a
year of 
> being down here, you WILL start to sound like a
redneck. 
> (Although a strangely accented one.)


Sam:

       I dropped out of Oxford after a year, (not reading English.)  Perhaps I should have adjusted my accent. (South London sloppy version of drawling. Tonks in my imagination even if not in Stephen Fry's.)

Nah, I wasn't working hard enough. Lucky escape really. If I'd stuck it out I wouldn't have met hermionesdad:) 

Okay, when I was eighteen I thought that I was going to be a biochemist and never have kids, at least, not for a long, long time. Men were certainly never to influence my life except as an occasional hobby.

I'm now a wife, mother of two and part time nurse. I'm really rather happy with it too, even if I have turned into my mother. How have other folks lives turned out compared to their plans?

Sam

(apparently still in a fit of twenty-something angst and needs to snap out of it!) 

		
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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Jul 17 08:29:50 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:29:50 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Class size discrepancy of DADA & Relative School SIze
In-Reply-To: <cdal82+kar6@eGroups.com>
References: <40F932C7.15475.946941@localhost>
Message-ID: <40F9701E.11758.51F061@localhost>

On 17 Jul 2004 at 7:41, Steve wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
> wrote:
> > On 16 Jul 2004 at 21:48, Steve wrote:
> > 
> > > We have too small a window into size of individual class years,
> > > but it's illogical to assume they are identical. 
> 
> > Shaun:
> > 
> > Not necessarily.
> > 
> > Personally I reconcile the discrepancies between the size of the 
> > school in a somewhat similar way - ... for some reason ... it's not 
> > operating at capacity. If I had to come up with a reason I'd say 
> > it's because of a lack of available teachers.
> > 
> > But when dealing with a selective school (as Hogwarts seems to be) 
> > it's not illogical by any means to assume identical or near 
> > identical class sizes. It depends on the standards of selection - 
> > but with a selective school where it's the only school serving a 
> > particular population and there seems to be less places than there 
> > are potential students, I'd expect it to have pretty similar, if 
> > not identical, class sizes each year.
> > 
> > ...edited...
> > 
> > Shaun Hately 
> 
> Asian_lovr2:
> 
> Here is were I'm coming from on the issue of class size. Hogwarts does
> not choose students from the cream of the crop of the roughly 60
> million citizens of the UK. They are choosing from a select group from
> a small sub-culture. That creates a limited number of candidates.
> 
> If we work on your (I believe your's) permise that Hogwarts is the
> premier University of Wizarding in the UK, and that only a very select
> group of candidates are magical enough to get in, then we limit the
> pool of candidates even more.
> 
> To save people the trouble of asking, based on my memory of that
> premise, kids who don't make the grade are trained through various
> home schooling, and apprenticeship programs. So they aren't completely
> left out; the still get education and job opportunities. Just not the
> same opportunities as those who go to Oxford, Chambridge, or Hogwarts.
>
> My own personal take on alternate education is that there are-
> -School of Witchcraft and Wizardry (equivalent to Universities;
> actually only one in UK)
> -Schools of Magic (equivalent to trade/techincal schools)
> 
> A regular muggle school that has a pool of millions with high demand
> to get into these schools, where I suspect demand always exceeds
> supply, can easily select enough students to fill their capacity. 

And it all seems perfectly logical - it's just that it's not the 
only logical model given the situation that we're seeing. A case 
can easily be made for a logical model which means the school does 
take either the same, or nearly the same, number of students each 
year.

It basically comes down to how Hogwarts selects its students.

Given that it seems to be selective - ie, there is a minimum 
standard for entry, presumably based on some sort of magical 
ability level (I went into this in my MP/MQ post a couple of weeks 
back on the main list), it really depends on how that minimum 
standard is assessed.

Now, I believe Hogwarts can be fairly compared in many ways to 
schools for gifted children in the Muggle World, and for those 
schools in my experience, we can look at two basic models used for 
selection.

The first is the 'floor score' method - where to get in, you must 
achieve a particular score on a test. With gifted kids, it's often 
an IQ test - say an IQ score of 150 is required for entry. With 
such an entry requirement, you will tend to get fluctuations in 
numbers each year - because one year 10 people will qualify, the 
next 6 will.

The second is the 'ranking' method - where to get in, you must be 
in the top 'certain number' of applicants - say the top 20 
applicants get in. One year, number 20 may have an IQ of 144, the 
next number 20 may have an IQ of 139. But you end up with a 
consistent number of students.

(There's also a third model which combines both - top 20 applicants 
provided they score over IQ 140, say - but that's more complicated 
- and with that model whether or not the number is consistent 
depends on where the floor score is compared to the normal calibre 
of applicants each year. There's other models as well, too - but 
they are irrelevant to this discussion).

The point is, whether or not Hogwarts has a consistent enrolment 
each year really depends on a lot of different factors.

If there is no minimum standard, or if there is an absolute minimum 
standard considerably below the typical qualifying point each year, 
and students are selected by relative rankings, you'd expect to get 
about the same enrolment each year.

And that's an entirely possible and logical system. So is the 
system you've outlined. The point is that it's not illogical to 
postulate a system where the numbers are consistent, not that this 
is necessarily the case.

Now, just to respond to a couple of specific points.
 
> My own personal take on alternate education is that there are-
> -School of Witchcraft and Wizardry (equivalent to Universities;
> actually only one in UK)
> -Schools of Magic (equivalent to trade/techincal schools)
> 
> A regular muggle school that has a pool of millions with high demand
> to get into these schools, where I suspect demand always exceeds
> supply, can easily select enough students to fill their capacity. 
> 
> But Hogwarts doesn't have that luxury. If you simply don't have the
> magical talent to get in, there is really no way to work harder to
> make up for it in the way a muggle kid can study harder to make the
> academic grade. 
> 
> In this sense, Hogwarts is more like a music or art school, as opposed
> to a general education school. If you don't have the musical,
> artistic, or magical talent, there is just no way you can work around
> that in school.
> 
> So, things like low birth rates and a limited fluctuating pool of
> qualfied candidates could easily make it difficult for Hogwarts to
> meet capacity. 
> 
> Although, I do believe Hogwarts would take every available qualified
> candidate, and expand the staff accordingly. Given Dumbledore's good
> nature, he would not leave good candiates untrained because of a lack
> of capacity or staff.

If he had a choice, probably not - but you cannot assume he has a 
choice.

We have indications in the text that Dumbledore has a hard time 
finding staff for Hogwarts. He can't just wave a wand and summon 
three more Potions Masters, or two more DADA Masters, or another 
Divination teacher.

Finding qualified staff seems to be a problem at Hogwarts in at 
least some of the subject areas.

If you look at the school I attended, and similar schools in 
Australia - they started to have female teachers as full time staff 
members after World War II - reason - because there was a lack of 
qualified male teachers. The schools did not *want* to hire women - 
they had no choice, because there weren't enough qualified men.

In the Wizarding World, we seem to have a fairly equal society in 
terms of gender roles. So if something has caused a teacher 
shortage there - a shortage of qualified candidates to teach - it's 
likely it affects their entire potential pool of teachers - not 
just half of the pool.

> On the other hand, since Hogwarts seem financially sound, I don't
> think they would lower their standards to meet capacity.

It depends on how you define their standards.

I agree that there is probably a minimum point somewhere, below 
which standards wouldn't be lowered.

But selection currently could be considerably above standard.

Back to the gifted kid analogy simply because I know numbers.

I know a school here in Melbourne where to get in, students *must* 
have a measured IQ of at least 115. That is an absolute rock solid 
minimum score.

It's also a score that has been practically irrelevant since about 
1970 - nobody with a score of under 126 has got in since then, 
because they take the top 64 applicants.

One year, the minimum was 135, the following year the minimum was 
128. They didn't lower the standards the second year - the entry 
standard remained identical.

If Hogwarts is a school built to take 1000 students at its peak 
capacity when everything is running at full bore, and it's only 
taking 270, or 400, or 600 students, then depending on the reasons 
why it's operating at below peak capacity, there could be a *lot* 
of maneuvering room between current actual entry standard - and 
potential entry standard.
 
I'm not saying that this is how Hogwarts works.

I just think that a perfectly logical case can be made that class 
sizes are about the same, or even rock solid identical each year.

I attended two selective schools - and both of them had absolute 
rocksolid attendance numbers each year (I only managed to get into 
the first one because someone left opening up a very unusual space 
- I easily met the minimum scores, but they didn't generally take 
anyone at the year I was entering - and later on, when two 
classmates died, their places were filled within weeks).



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia


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From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Sat Jul 17 11:47:05 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:47:05 +0100
Subject: Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64AEA@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

Was anyone else slightly unnerved about JKR's quote about Harry in
relation to the disabled Czech children caged on their beds?

http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2004/07/11/f215.raw.html

I think it's really really great that JKR is such a generous woman, and
her wading in on this subject looks as if it has ended a truly awful
practise. Much of what she had to say was clear and powerful, e.g.

"The idea that children as young as five are being locked in cages for
the majority of their lives is nothing short of horrific; that this is
happening in a relatively prosperous fellow EU state can only deepen
feelings of outrage"

But I find something worrying in the quote:

"The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything
Harry Potter has had to encounter"

Suppose it had been Roger Hargreaves who had sent the letter in which he
had written:

"The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything Mr
Bump has had to encounter"

Would that have been OK? No, of course not. Mr Bump is a fictional
character in a childrens' book and nothing that happens to him can
compare with the real life anguish of the Czech children. But isn't the
same true of Harry?

Cheers,

Dumbledad.




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 12:10:27 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:10:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] accents and getting older
In-Reply-To: <20040717082838.41247.qmail@web61008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040717121027.50605.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>




Sam:

       I dropped out of Oxford after a year, (not reading English.)  Perhaps I should have adjusted my accent. (South London sloppy version of drawling. Tonks in my imagination even if not in Stephen Fry's.)

Nah, I wasn't working hard enough. Lucky escape really. If I'd stuck it out I wouldn't have met hermionesdad:) 

Okay, when I was eighteen I thought that I was going to be a biochemist and never have kids, at least, not for a long, long time. Men were certainly never to influence my life except as an occasional hobby.

I'm now a wife, mother of two and part time nurse. I'm really rather happy with it too, even if I have turned into my mother. How have other folks lives turned out compared to their plans?

Sam

(apparently still in a fit of twenty-something angst and needs to snap out of it!) 

            


Well, I was going to be a Marine Biologist and develop a shark repelent that was going to keep beaches safe.  Ended up dropping out of college and marrying my high school sweetheart.  10 years and 2 kids later got a divorce and went back to college.  Became that Marine Biologist and had another kid besides (affair with a younger man).  Now both older kids are gone with only the younger still at home (though the middle on comes home from college on breaks) and am a professional dog trainer and breeder and working on becoming a handler.

moonmyyst (who loves the bumper sticker that says "the more men I know, the more I love my dogs)


		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 12:21:01 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: southern chatter
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEBKDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040717122101.95184.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>



"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:

Now, can y'all from the South tell me what you call the type of sandwich which is made with very long rolls which is often referred to in the northeastern parts as a Hero, Wedgie, Hoagie, submarine, etc.?



Well, this one for our part of the south, was a "blimpie". This was named after the fast food resturant that began serving them before Subway did.  I never had one before that.  Now you hear "get a blimpie" or "go to Subway for a sandwich".

Sloppy Joes were one of my favorites from school and ours was the ground beef version.  

moonmyyst 


		
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From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 12:23:43 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:23:43 -0000
Subject: From the Main List: Pronunciation of Pensieve and Seamus Threads
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEBNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cdb5of+f6pe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> Dicentra spectabilis forwarded:
> | MJ Here:
> |
> | Hi - I'm also a long-time lurker but a new poster here so hopefully
> | I'm doing this right.
> |
> | The Scholastic.com's pronunciation guide says: PEN-siv
> |
> | The link for that is http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/reference/
> | It's also audible so you can hear it pronounced.
> 
> [Lee]:
> All well and good, but for us with text-to-speech screen readers,
who can't
> see the screen, the site is in flash which is utterly useless!  The
words
> are graphically created so they are unreadable, so I can't click on
them to
> hear them.  All I saw was the instructions to "click on any of the
words..."
> and that be that.  Most disappointing!  However, not at all surprising.
> 
> Cheers,
> Lee, the Vexed


Actually, that pronunciation guide says "animagus" with a soft "g",
whereas in the film of POA Snape says it with a hard "g". Just when
I'd got used to the thought of the soft one! So, who knows what's
official...
Love, Alice
(is gratified that her mother tongue has phonetic spelling, so no
mysteries there!) :)




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 12:30:45 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:30:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEBJDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040717123045.73173.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>



"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:

Oh--yeah--"warsh" instead of "wash."  That just kills me!  Uh--where'd that
extra R come from? <Snigger.>



you mean that is not how you say it?  Dear, you really must be right, bless your little heart.  (innocent smile and a slightly tilted head).

moonmyyst

; )


		
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From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jul 17 12:35:28 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:35:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64AEA@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
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"Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)" <v-tregan at microsoft.com> wrote:
Dumbledad said:


Was anyone else slightly unnerved about JKR's quote about Harry in
relation to the disabled Czech children caged on their beds?

http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2004/07/11/f215.raw.html

I think it's really really great that JKR is such a generous woman, and
her wading in on this subject looks as if it has ended a truly awful
practise. Much of what she had to say was clear and powerful, e.g.

"The idea that children as young as five are being locked in cages for
the majority of their lives is nothing short of horrific; that this is
happening in a relatively prosperous fellow EU state can only deepen
feelings of outrage"

But I find something worrying in the quote:

"The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything
Harry Potter has had to encounter"

Suppose it had been Roger Hargreaves who had sent the letter in which he
had written:

"The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything Mr
Bump has had to encounter"

Would that have been OK? No, of course not. Mr Bump is a fictional
character in a childrens' book and nothing that happens to him can
compare with the real life anguish of the Czech children. But isn't the
same true of Harry?



Udderpd here

Excuse me if I have Never heard of Roger Hargreaves or Mr Bump, how many tens of millions (or is it Hundreds of millions now) books has he sold in practically every corner of the world? 

I live in the U.K. where I have just paid ?7.99 for my new softback HP&tOotP adult edition. (956 pages) I lived in Nigeria for four years where each book was read by a lot of people, my ?7.99 would feed a family of four for about ten days. 

I think it is fair to say that the world is aware of the plight of Harry Potter, which JKR's statement entirly valid. I for one cannot think of any Internationally famous person who has had such a rough ride as HP

 

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From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Sat Jul 17 13:32:44 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:32:44 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64B0A@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

Udderpd asked:
>>> Excuse me if I have Never heard of Roger Hargreaves or Mr Bump, how
many tens of millions (or is it Hundreds of millions now) books has he
sold in practically every corner of the world? <<<

Let me quote the BBC: "More than 100 million Mr Men books have been sold
since 1971, making Roger Hargreaves the second best-selling UK author
after Harry Potter creator JK Rowling"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2677285.stm

Udderpd stated:
>>> JKR's statement entirly valid <<<

I agree, I wasn't questioning her logic, more her taste. No that's the
wrong word. Her grip on reality. No that's wrong too. There's just
something that makes me very uneasy about comparing real-world suffering
to a character in a kids' book as a way of illustrating just how bad the
real suffering must be.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.


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From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jul 17 13:55:44 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:55:44 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64B0A@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <20040717135544.95395.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



"Tim Regan (Intl Vendor)" <v-tregan at microsoft.com> wrote: 
Hi All,

Udderpd asked:
>>> Excuse me if I have Never heard of Roger Hargreaves or Mr Bump, how
many tens of millions (or is it Hundreds of millions now) books has he
sold in practically every corner of the world? <<<

Let me quote the BBC: "More than 100 million Mr Men books have been sold
since 1971, making Roger Hargreaves the second best-selling UK author
after Harry Potter creator JK Rowling"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2677285.stm

Udderpd stated:
>>> JKR's statement entirly valid <<<
Dumbledad. replied

I agree, I wasn't questioning her logic, more her taste. No that's the
wrong word. Her grip on reality. No that's wrong too. There's just
something that makes me very uneasy about comparing real-world suffering
to a character in a kids' book as a way of illustrating just how bad the
real suffering must be.

Udderpd again

Thanks for the info. I was not being obtuse I am a male  63 year old obselete old dingbat and Mr Men books weren't about in my younger days, I have of course heard of them but still not the author. 

Although I still believe my last point to be valid or can you think of a real life person JKR could use as a comparison instead?

Thanks

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From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Sat Jul 17 14:12:49 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:12:49 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64B10@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,
 
Udder PenDragon asked:
>>> can you think of a real life person JKR could use as a comparison
instead? <<<
 
I don't think she needed to make a comparison. Her other statements in
the same letter are clear and powerful and sum-up everyone's sense of
outrage. For me the Harry Potter analogy jarred.
 
http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2004/07/11/f215.raw.html
 
Cheers,
 
Dumbledad.


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From swartell at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 14:13:04 2004
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64B0A@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <20040717141304.36389.qmail@web53210.mail.yahoo.com>

Just my opinion, but the comparison does not bother me
at all.  To me the point is that she has tried to
imagine a traumatic (even outrageously traumatic)
environment for a young person growing up - I mean, a
closet under the stairs for a bedroom!  It was meant
to be over the top. Many people have read and
understand that this was meant to indicate privation
and emotional abandonment and child abuse.  It's a
common frame of reference for anyone who has any
knowledge of the books.  The common frame of reference
is the important point of the comparison, to me.

Another way of paraphrasing what I see as her intent
in the remark is to say "If you think what I dreamed
up for Harry was bad, consider how much worse Real
Life is for these kids."

Sue

> 
> Udderpd stated:
> >>> JKR's statement entirly valid <<<
> 
> I agree, I wasn't questioning her logic, more her
> taste. No that's the
> wrong word. Her grip on reality. No that's wrong
> too. There's just
> something that makes me very uneasy about comparing
> real-world suffering
> to a character in a kids' book as a way of
> illustrating just how bad the
> real suffering must be.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dumbledad.
> 
> 
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> 
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Jul 17 17:04:03 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:04:03 -0000
Subject: Scholastic's heretical pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEBNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cdbm63+lttj@eGroups.com>

Lee wrote:

> All well and good, but for us with text-to-speech screen readers, 
who can't
> see the screen, the site is in flash which is utterly useless!  
The words
> are graphically created so they are unreadable, so I can't click 
on them to
> hear them.  All I saw was the instructions to "click on any of the 
words..."
> and that be that.  Most disappointing!  However, not at all 
surprising.

IMO, you are better off without it.

If they can't see that, if a galleon is a big valuable ship that 
used to carry gold, and a sickle is a middle-sized blade that shines 
brightly like silver, then a knut might well be a small brown object 
coloured like bronze, they are probably not worth listening to.

Remember, these are the people who told JKR she'd got the wand order 
wrong when she hadn't, and plunged the fandom into endless confusion.

Seriously, it's up to us all how we think these words should be 
pronounced: JKR has no authority once they have escaped into the 
wild, and Scholastic certainly haven't.

David, not suffering fools gladly today




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 18:08:31 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:08:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the
 caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To:  <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64AEA@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKECFDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

From: Tim Regan
| Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 07:47
|
| Hi All,
|
| Was anyone else slightly unnerved about JKR's quote about Harry in
| relation to the disabled Czech children caged on their beds?
|
| http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2004/07/11/f215.raw.html
|
| I think it's really really great that JKR is such a generous woman, and
| her wading in on this subject looks as if it has ended a truly awful
| practise. Much of what she had to say was clear and powerful, e.g.
|
| "The idea that children as young as five are being locked in cages for
| the majority of their lives is nothing short of horrific; that this is
| happening in a relatively prosperous fellow EU state can only deepen
| feelings of outrage"
|
| But I find something worrying in the quote:
|
| "The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
| enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything
| Harry Potter has had to encounter"
|
| Suppose it had been Roger Hargreaves who had sent the letter in which he
| had written:
|
| "The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
| enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything Mr
| Bump has had to encounter"
|
| Would that have been OK? No, of course not. Mr Bump is a fictional
| character in a childrens' book and nothing that happens to him can
| compare with the real life anguish of the Czech children. But isn't the
| same true of Harry?







From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Jul 17 18:09:45 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:09:45 -0000
Subject: Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <20040717141304.36389.qmail@web53210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdbq19+2r37@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sue Wartell <swartell at y...> 
wrote:
 "If you think what I dreamed
> up for Harry was bad, consider how much worse Real
> Life is for these kids."

I agree with this Sue, I think she was just trying to demonstrate 
that even her imagination couldn't come up with something as awful as 
that reality.  It sort of brings the children into it aswell.  Kids 
understand the Harry in the cupboard situation and can use their 
imagination to see how horrible that would be, Jo is just 
saying "well this is worse, much worse, and its real life, think on 
that."
sarah xx




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Jul 17 18:15:57 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:15:57 -0000
Subject: accents and getting older
In-Reply-To: <20040717121027.50605.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdbqct+o7p1@eGroups.com>

moonmyyst wrote:

> Well, I was going to be a Marine Biologist and develop a shark 
repelent that was going to keep beaches safe.

and:

> Became that Marine Biologist and had another kid besides.

But... but... you didn't tell us: did you invent that shark 
repellent?  It's a wonderful idea, worthy of JKR herself.

I love the idea of just quickly spraying on the SPF 30 (shark 
protection factor 30) before going for a swim.  Perhaps Dennis 
Creevey uses a squid repellent?

David





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 18:23:41 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:23:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <20040717123045.73173.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOECGDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[I, Lee, had said]:
| Oh--yeah--"warsh" instead of "wash."  That just kills me!
| Uh--where'd that
| extra R come from? <Snigger.>
|
[And moonmyyst responded]:
| you mean that is not how you say it?  Dear, you really must be
| right, bless your little heart.  (innocent smile and a slightly
| tilted head).

[Lee]:
<LOL>

What's really funny and interesting is the difference in enunciation from
speaking to singing. A person might say, "Gonna go warsh up fir dinner," but
that same person will sing, "Are you washed in the Blood...." :-)

Seriously, we used to have a lady from Japan in our choir.  Sometimes she
was difficult to understand in her speaking, but her singing!...Wow!  And
when she came into our soprano section, I promptly left and went back to
where I felt most at home...the tenor section. :-)

Later,

Lee :-)
(Off to warsh the clothes.) <VBG>





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 18:28:42 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:28:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the
 caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <20040717135544.95395.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAECHDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>



| -----Original Message-----
| From: udder_pen_dragon [mailto:udderpd at yahoo.co.uk]
| Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 09:56
|
[Dumbledad wrote]:
| I agree, I wasn't questioning her logic, more her taste. No that's the
| wrong word. Her grip on reality. No that's wrong too. There's just
| something that makes me very uneasy about comparing real-world suffering
| to a character in a kids' book as a way of illustrating just how bad the
| real suffering must be.
|
| Udderpd again
|
| Thanks for the info. I was not being obtuse I am a male  63 year
| old obselete old dingbat and Mr Men books weren't about in my
| younger days, I have of course heard of them but still not the author.
|
| Although I still believe my last point to be valid or can you
| think of a real life person JKR could use as a comparison instead?

[Lee]:
If I wanted to put people's hair on end, I could probably refer to any
hostage of a terrorist, etc.  However, it's quite possible that JKR felt
this was too controversial a reference and used something she knew all could
relate to in some way.

Just my opinion.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Jul 17 18:50:51 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:50:51 -0000
Subject: Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64AEA@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <cdbseb+rd6j@eGroups.com>

Tim expressed concern, while supporting JKR's action:
 
> Was anyone else slightly unnerved about JKR's quote about Harry in
> relation to the disabled Czech children caged on their beds?
> 
> http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2004/07/11/f215.raw.html
> 
> I find something worrying in the quote:
> 
> "The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the 
clock is
> enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than 
anything
> Harry Potter has had to encounter"

> (Harry) is a fictional
> character in a childrens' book and nothing that happens to him can
> compare with the real life anguish of the Czech children. 

Well, first I should say that, when I read about this, my mind 
jumped to the cupboard under the stairs before reading that specific 
quote.  So not only was I not troubled by it, but I was almost 
expecting it as an obvious comparison that might be drawn.  As 
others have already said for their own case, I read it as "I write 
books in which I imagine an abusive situation for my main character, 
one which readers would find shocking and unacceptable in real life, 
but this is worse than that."

Clearly, that is only my reading, and the middle clause in 
particular is not explicitly in what JKR said.  An alternative 
reading might be something like "People are outraged that Harry has 
such a rotten time of it, and so they should be more outraged about 
these Czech children", which would open the way IMO for arguments 
like "I think Harry is *worse* off: the graveyard scene is worse 
than a cage, so I'm going to reserve my sympathy for him."  Now 
*that* would be well squicky, I grant you.  (Or worse still "New 
canon!  The things Harry has to go through in Books 6 and 7 will 
never be as bad as being locked in a cage.")

Judging by the comments on The Leaky Cauldron's reports of this, 
fans did not confuse fiction with reality.

However, I think you are touching on something paradoxical here. 
Many fans clearly feel, and feel strongly, the emotions over Harry 
Potter that they would feel if he were a real person known to them.  
This is evident in posts here ("JKR *can't* kill off Lupin.  That 
would be too cruel after Sirius."), and I have seen elsewhere, for 
example, writing by fans on the anniversary of OOP about how they 
have come to terms with their grief at Sirius' death.  Yet it is 
clear that these fans have in no way lost their grip on reality.

In that sense I think JKR was tapping into a real vein of emotion, 
whether deliberately or inadvertently, which possibly lent force to 
the urgency the Czech authorities felt to do something in response.

David




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Jul 17 18:50:53 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:50:53 -0000
Subject: Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15D64B0A@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <cdbsed+lqtk@eGroups.com>

Dumbledad:
> 
> I agree, I wasn't questioning her logic, more her taste. No that's 
the wrong word. Her grip on reality. No that's wrong too. There's 
just something that makes me very uneasy about comparing 
real-world suffering to a character in a kids' book as a way of 
illustrating just how bad the real suffering must be.
> 

Hmmm. I don't think that's what she was trying to do. It wouldn't 
be like JKR to trivialize anyone's suffering. I think she was trying 
to harness some of the indignation that people express on 
Harry's behalf--look how many main list posts have there been 
expressing outrage that the Dursleys and Snape treat Harry so 
badly. JKR must get ten times that in her mailbag every day.

 Wouldn't it be nice to expend some of that energy on behalf of 
some real children who need help?

Pippin
going to find out what she can do




From TheLilliecat at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 17:26:39 2004
From: TheLilliecat at hotmail.com (Nikki Caruso)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:26:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1579
Message-ID: <BAY19-F28CI76rOJhKP00000332@hotmail.com>

>Now, can y'all from the South tell me what you call the type of sandwich
>which is made with very long rolls which is often referred to in the
>northeastern parts as a Hero, Wedgie, Hoagie, submarine, etc.?
>
>When I lived in New York, I knew them as Submarine Sandwiches or Hero
>Sandwiches; I could understand Submarine because of it's long shape, but
>hero?
>
>Then I moved out here to New Jersey and heard the terms "Wedgie" and
>"Hoagie" (from South Jersey and Pennsylvania.)
>
>So, I'd be interested in any other names for these sandwiches made with a
>bread that looks like a long Italian loaf...or French loaf. <Grin>
>
>Oh--yeah--the double meaning of "Sloppy Joe" really got me.  Now, the way I
>knew it in New York, Sloppy Joe was a ground-meat based affair that was
>slapped onto hamburger rolls and ended up being a delightful mess that
>usually tasted good.  When I moved to NJ, the term Sloppy Joe was suddenly
>this sandwich of some-coldcut-meat and a lot of coleslaw.  I'm so
>confwoozled!
>
>Cheers,
>Lee :-)
>

I tried, but I can't stay out of the "southern" thread. The sandwiches on 
French Bread are totally called Po-boys, and a lot of people order them 
"dressed"! When I'm not in my native New Orleans area, I don't know what 
those long sandwiches are called. At school up in NC they call them 
"hoagies" (whatever that is), and I think people here call them subs because 
the only place you get that style sandwich (not on real French bread) is at 
Subway. And I've never heard of the coleslaw-style Sloppy Joe - eeew!
And, of course, in defense of most people in my region of the south and 
probably more of us, some of us do actually speak normal English. lol! No 
extra "R"s thrown in there or anything like that. Well, we do use "y'all" 
and have our own little sayings, but it's completely different from 
something you'd find in North Carolina or something "less" southern like 
that. ;)

~Nikki
(who eats crawfish. Not crayfish, mudbugs, crawdaddys, or whatever else - 
good, old-fashioned Louisiana crawfish.)

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Jul 17 19:28:02 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:28:02 -0000
Subject: dialling the number
Message-ID: <cdbuk2+gh33@eGroups.com>

I'm sorry, I've wimped out.  My comp has been completely re-installed 
(kept getting "adult" sites popping up in the middle of everything 
inc. HP and JKR sites - very off-putting)
Anyway gone back to JKR site and have tried every single combination 
of numbers on the phone and can't remember the right number.  I want 
to get my scrap book back...have got other 3 items back, but just 
can't get the number right.  I know it begins with 6...
TIA
Sarah xx




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 19:39:55 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] dialling the number
In-Reply-To: <cdbuk2+gh33@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040717193955.21016.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>

62442... it spells 'magic' on the telephone.

Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:I'm sorry, I've wimped out.  My comp has been completely re-installed 
(kept getting "adult" sites popping up in the middle of everything 
inc. HP and JKR sites - very off-putting)
Anyway gone back to JKR site and have tried every single combination 
of numbers on the phone and can't remember the right number.  I want 
to get my scrap book back...have got other 3 items back, but just 
can't get the number right.  I know it begins with 6...
TIA
Sarah xx



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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Jul 17 19:46:36 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:46:36 -0000
Subject: dialling the number
In-Reply-To: <20040717193955.21016.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdbvms+9igf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> 62442... it spells 'magic' on the telephone.
> 
> ahhh I see...
Thanx
Sarah xx




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 17 19:49:40 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:49:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the
 caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKECFDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGECJDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

OOPS!!!  Not sure what happened, but all I had written was--uh--dumped!
Gads!  Well, here I go again responding to Tim's post and hope it don't get
smushed. :-)

[Dumbledad wrote]:
| Was anyone else slightly unnerved about JKR's quote about Harry in
| | relation to the disabled Czech children caged on their beds?
| |
| | http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2004/07/11/f215.raw.html
| |
| | I think it's really really great that JKR is such a generous woman, and
| | her wading in on this subject looks as if it has ended a truly awful
| | practise. Much of what she had to say was clear and powerful, e.g.
| |
| | "The idea that children as young as five are being locked in cages for
| | the majority of their lives is nothing short of horrific; that this is
| | happening in a relatively prosperous fellow EU state can only deepen
| | feelings of outrage"
| |
| | But I find something worrying in the quote:
| |
| | "The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
| | enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything
| | Harry Potter has had to encounter"
| |
| | Suppose it had been Roger Hargreaves who had sent the letter in which he
| | had written:
| |
| | "The very idea of being locked in a bed-sized cage around the clock is
| | enough to give adults nightmares - far more terrifying than anything Mr
| | Bump has had to encounter"
| |
| | Would that have been OK? No, of course not. Mr Bump is a fictional
| | character in a childrens' book and nothing that happens to him can
| | compare with the real life anguish of the Czech children. But isn't the
| | same true of Harry?

[Lee]:
I understand what you're saying, but I understand what she's doing.  Now,
I've never heard of this Hargreaves and Mr. Bump, but I can relate to Potter
as can many an adult.  The quote doesn't bother me, especially considering
all the things Harry's had to endure.  It's also not a bad idea to use a
fictional ref in order to stay away from controversial references. (I posted
on that, too.)

I'm just glad that action is being taken.  If one really wants to be honest,
some of that kind of treatment happens here even in the good ol'
USA...perhaps not caged beds, but, certainly, caged children who are
unwanted because they have a disability.  I praise God that my Mom didn't
try to shove my brother and myself into an institution.  The outcome is most
tragic.

I remember a woman who had been thrust into an institution simply because
she was blind; the doctor told her parents their child would be better off
since she wouldn't amount to anything.  The result when she was gotten out
of the institution...she had to remain on medications because she was so
strung out and afraid of absolutely everything; she didn't trust anyone; she
became what the institution made her.

Let me stop ranting...sorry folks; it's just a subject that really gets to
me because with all our progressiveness I still see people with disabilities
treated like less than real people. <Sigh>

Later,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 17 20:12:44 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:12:44 -0000
Subject: Pearls of Wisdom or Hairballs of Wisdom? You Decide.
Message-ID: <cdc17s+ld6q@eGroups.com>

Moonmyst wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23241 :

<< Since there've been a couple of 'southernisms' threads, I'm going
to chime in with something one of my way deep in Tennessee friends
says whenever somebody gets upset about something that they really
can't do anything about:

"Just put on your big girl panties and get over it!" >>

Hey, I saw that on a t-shirt!

Amber Falls wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23200 :

<< Please, add mine, too. It's 30-10, I'll be 47 :D >>

Hey, you're one week older than me (November 7, 1957 -- but I don't
want to be in the birthday database). I saw a young man on the bus
yesterday in a Jim Morrison t-shirt and thought at him: "You weren't
even born yet when he died."

David Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23249 :

<< Where do I go to register my substitute birthday? >>

Arrgh.

Lee Storm wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23313 :

<< Oh--yeah--the double meaning of "Sloppy Joe" really got me. Now,
the way I knew it in New York, Sloppy Joe was a ground-meat based
affair that was slapped onto hamburger rolls and ended up being a
delightful mess that usually tasted good. >>

That's what it's been all my life in Los Angeles.

Neri wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23317 :

<< "hocus pocus" was meant to sound Latin, but (to my knowledge) has
no meaning. >>

It's said to be a mispronunciation of "Hoc est corpus"  ("this is [my]
body") from Roman Catholic communion. 




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 17 20:24:46 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:24:46 -0000
Subject: Wizarding Education (number of students at Hogwarts followed by long digression)
Message-ID: <cdc1ue+4sqr@eGroups.com>

I believe that EVERY child in Britain and Ireland with ANY wizarding
power is invited to attend a school of magic. (There may be other
countries in which Muggle-born students are not invited, no matter how
powerful.) If all the students go to Hogwarts as JKR said, then
Hogwarts has 1000 students as JKR said, that would be all the
wizarding children, based on many previous threads about the size of
wizarding population. 

I believe that Hogwarts has several campus, the Castle that we see in
canon is the main campus, has approx 280 students as shown in canon,
and the children of less aptitude (and/or less family connections) are
sent to other campus. Some listees believe that Hogwarts has only one
campus, 280 students as depicted, and is the only School of Witchcraft
and Wizardry, but all the lesser students are sent to a School of
Magic instead. 

Either of those ideas would go along with Neville's statement that his
family, even after they were reassured that he wasn't a Squib, doubted
that he was magic enough to get in 'here': that is, to Hogwarts Main
Campus rather than another campus, or to School of Witchcraft and
Wizardry rather than to School of Magic.

If all 1000 students are at the one Hogwarts campus at Hogwarts
Castle, then Tom from the Leaky Cauldron and Stan Shunpike and Ernie
Prang and Madam Rosmerta went to school at Hogwarts Castle. (Btw why
do people assume that Madam Rosmerta has a poor education or a low
degree of magical talent just because she owns a restaurant with a bar?) 

I get the impression that JKR thinks all these people were in
Hufflepuff, which is why she has such a low opinion of Hufflepuff.
While we have seen nothing in canon to suggest that Stan and Ern and
Tom are exceptionally loyal or hard-working by nature, perhaps JKR and
the Sorting Hat believe that people who don't have enough talent or
charisma to get by in life by talent or charisma had better LEARN to
work hard even if it isn't in their nature.

The only children of wizarding parents who wouldn't get invited to ANY
school of magic are the Squibs, the ones who have no magical power at
all. Ron told us they are very rare ... very rare might mean one in a
lifetime! If Squibs can be identified at birth (and the Lombottomi
just didn't trust the results of the test on baby Neville) that might
be the origin of changelings: medieval wizarding parents who didn't
want a 'defective' child dumped it in the cradle of a Muggle child who
had died (high level of infant mortality in medieval period). Later,
when Muggles invented orphanages, those would have been used instead.
Filch's parents probably deserve some credit for KEEPING their
'defective' child, altho' they'd probably deserve even more credit if
they'd kept him AND had him educated to make a living in the Muggle
world, where being a Squib doesn't matter. 

***

I believe that the wizarding parents are responsible for their
children's elementary education. They can home-school, hire tutors,
send the child to a Muggle school (if they can do so without breaking
the law of Wizarding Secrecy), or send the child to small, local,
private, wizarding elementary school. I believe that MoM never checks
on whether the children are going to school and has no rules for
credentialling elementary schools, but if the children don't have
enough basic skills when they enter Hogwarts, the parents are fined
and are disgraced by having their names listed in the DAILY PROPHET as
"parents of stupid children". 

***

For some jobs, such as conductor on the Knight Bus and dishwasher at
the Leaky Cauldron, I bet the kid just out of Hogwarts has already
learned everything he/she needs. For some other jobs, the kid just out
of Hogwarts would have to get hired into a trainee position (which I
imagine is the kind of job that Percy had with Mr Crouch), and I
believe that there are other jobs for which a kid just out of Hogwarts
would have to go through an apprenticeship before being able to get an
entry-level (journeyman) job. 

There is some reference in canon to the NEWTs being the highest
qualification offered by Hogwarts, which doesn't rule out there being
Guilds that offer a higher qualification, such as two of them:
Journeyman and Master. I imagine that some of the Guilds would be very
much like graduate schools in Muggle universities, but JKR's statement
that there is no university for wizards would remain technically true
because the Guilds had not joined together as one institution named
University.

I am CERTAIN that the wizarding world has forms of continuing
education even tho' it doesn't have universities. Of course, one is to
study on one's own, reading books and doing experiments (which I
imagine that Tom Riddle did a lot of, before setting off to find Evil
 teachers). And to seek out teachers for an informal version of
apprenticeship, as it is  suggested Tom Riddle did. I suspect that
there isn't a Librarians Guild (and also no Bureaucrats Guild) so that
Irma Pince learned her trade from informal apprenticeship: she got an
entry-level job, or just hung out, in a library and learned from the
librarian there. The same way that Percy is supposed to learn his job
as a bureaucrat. Probably the same way Charlie learned to be a dragon
wrangler.

I believe that there are also formal systems of apprenticeship, in
well-organized guilds -- both practical and academic guilds. (In fact,
I imagine that the Potions Guild, for example, always has an
undercurrent of conflict between its practical members, who are
apothecaries and so, and its academic members, who do research.) 

There might also be some vocational schools, altho' the only one I can
think of just now, is that I think there are at least two ways to
become trained and credentialled in medimagic: one is to become an
apprentice (then journeyman, then master) of the Healers Guild (which
I is what I think Pomfrey did) and the other is to go to a vocational
school of medimagic, perhaps associated with St. Mungo's Hospital.

The applicant has to find one Master willing to take himer on as an
apprentice (recommendations from Hogwarts professors, good scores on
relevant NEWTs, the Master being friends with the applicant's parents
might all help). Then learn from a mixture of hands-on assisting the
master (the main part of vocational apprenticeship) and studying and
writing essays and doing experiments assigned by the master (a bigger
part of academic than vocational apprenticeship) plus attending some
public lectures and demonstrations given by the Guild at the
Guild-house. The difference beween that and being an undergraduate is
subtract the whole social part of being an undergraduate:
apprenticeship is not about meeting people who will be important and
useful in later life.

The master can certify hiser apprentice as a journeyman, who is
allowed to be employed in that field (generally only under the
supervision of a master, but I suppose that some jobs are certified by
the Guild as simple enough for a journeyman to do them without
supervision) and can find the same or a different master to supervise
hiser studies toward becoming a master himerself. The journeyman's
studies in an academic guild are a bit like grad school (more like the
years between having finished all the grad school classes and
finishing the dissertation). Besides putting in a set amount of time
and passing an examination (set by a Guild committee, all masters),
the candidate must present a masterpiece: an example of work heesh has
done that is of the quality expected of a master. In an academic
guild, that is often a research discovery presented in the form of a
dissertation. The masterpiece must be approved by a committee of guild
masters, and then I envision at least the Transfiguration Guild
requiring its candidates to defend (answer questions more-or-less
about) their dissertations against all comers in the Guildhouse
lecture hall for 24 hours straight... I suppose in the Potions Guild,
the masterpiece, at least for those who intend to own their potion
shop, is to brew a set of very complicated prescriptions.

The academic guilds may give the title of Doctor as an honor to some
of their best masters (selected by a committee of Doctors), in which
case, they may allow only Doctors to be on the committee for judging
masterpieces, to supervise journeymen working toward Mastery, to run
for Guild President, Treasurer, etc...

***

I can understand JKR's statement only by assuming that she meant that
the wizards don't have universities like Muggles now do, as giant
factories for turning young men and women into potential employees.
That the wizards cling to a more old-fashioned system in which people
pursue advanced study for love of the subject rather than because a BA
or BS is required to get a job in a totally unrelated field. That such
study is generally pursued as an apprenticeship under one master plus
going to occasional guest lectures by others, rather than as a
curriculum in an institution with many teachers. That, in line with my
mention of 'apprenticeship', each subject has its own Guild (Guild in
Latin is Collegium) which takes care of awarding its own degrees and
managing its own finances and can not *imagine* being subject to any
University Administration. 

I have spun out this theory to much greater length than is supported
by canon, such as figuring out all the sources of funding for pure
research (personal wealth, patronage from a wealthy wizard, a grant
from MoM's Committee on Experimental Charms, a grant from the Museum
of Magic, which is an institution that is not mentioned in canon but
must exist), and what the degrees are (apprentice is like undergrad,
journeyman is like graduate, master is the advanced degree which is
required to be allowed to take on apprentices and provides the
honorable title Magister or Magistra) and the requirements for the
degrees (apprentice becomes journeyman by recommendation of hiser own
Master and passing a written exam given by the Guild, journeyman
becomes Master on recommendation of hiser own Master, approval by a
specific Guild committee of a written dissertation reporting original
research, passing an oral exam given by that committee, and a public
dissertation defense for 24 hours straight). The degree of Doctor is
bestowed by the Board of Directors of the Guild upon highly respected
Masters as a surprise (they didn't apply for it or take a test), and
only Doctors are allowed to be on the committees for approving
dissertations and giving oral exams for Mastery candidates and some
other stuff that I forget right now. But I did put in some hard
feelings among the Masters of the Potions Guild because the ones who
own shops and run factories pay most of the dues but the ones doing
pure research are awarded most of the Doctorates.

I figure Madam Pomfrey was trained as a Healer by apprenticeship and
advanced study in the Healers Guild. That being a practical rather
than research guild, the 'masterpiece' presented by the candidate for
Mastery is not a research dissertation but a case history (with
witnesses) of a patient who was cured of something serious.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Jul 17 21:46:57 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:46:57 -0000
Subject: JKR and Hufflepuff (was: Wizarding Education)
In-Reply-To: <cdc1ue+4sqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdc6oh+4ujg@eGroups.com>

The Catlady asserted:

> JKR... has... a low opinion of Hufflepuff.

Canon, please, Rita!

David, keeping his powder dry






From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 22:51:03 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:51:03 -0000
Subject: Wizarding Education Model
In-Reply-To: <cdc1ue+4sqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdcagn+e00k@eGroups.com>

Actaully, you have outlined my /preferred/ model of wizard world
education to near perfection.

In fact, part of what you said is based on ideas that I orginated in
the main group; for example, The School of Magic was my idea. For
advanced education, I had an idea similar to the 'Guild' thoery, but
was swayed to favoring the Guild model in a long discussion with the
Guild model's orginator. Really wish I had saved all those discussion,
they were great.

Even though, you did stated my /preferred/ world view, Shaun and I
were arguing an alternate premise or model, and were concerned with
why Hogwarts is not operating at capacity.

I specualated that enrollement was down due to a limited number of
available students; limited for a variety of reasons. And extended
that by saying if enrollment increase, staff would increase to meet
the need.

Shaun, on the other hand, argued that there were available candidates,
but the lack of qualified and available teaching Staff, limited the
size. (very simplified version of what Shaun said)

Any thoughts on that particuar aspect?

General Comments-

Size and Proportion-
I simply can't and won't accept the 280 student number. To take
Harry's apparent class size and expand that to the whole school and
assume that you have an accurate number, I believe is completely
misguided. Which in turn means that I believe that enrollement
fluctuates from year to year, and that Houses sizes are significantly
uneven; a position I have argued in detail many times before. 

Again for the record, Hufflepuff is largest, Ravenclaw second, and
Slytherin & Gryffindor nearly tied for smallest. Relating houses to
society, Hufflepuff are the workers; there are a lot more workers in
the world than managers and executives. Ravenclaw's proportions would
reflect managers and midlevel executives. Slytherin would be
proportional to high level executives and businessmen. Gryffindor are
harder to place in a societal business model, but suffice to say that
people of true courage and brave action are few and far between in
this world. 

This does not exclude Hufflepuffs from literally being executives, or
Slytherins from being workers. I'm just attempting to carry House
personality into a business model of the real world, to attempt to
determine the relative proportions of the Houses to each other.

>From all I've said, while I don't believe the 280 number is remotely
accurate, neither do I believe that 1,000 reflects the current enrollemnt.

Advanced Training - Guilds
The more I've thought about it, the more I like the Guild Model which
at one time really was a reflection of life in Europe. Not only do
Guilds provide a high standard by which magical craftsmen are
measured, I think they also provide a social outlet. I hear the annual
Wandmakers convention in Paris is a real blow out. Membership also
affords it members a degree of pride and prestige. To be accepted into
one of the finer Guild is a tremdous point of pride.  And, to be
appointed to the Governing Board, or the Board of Standards would mean
that you had achieved great success and recognition of skill; that you
were the best of the best, and that surely would thrust you into the
upper crust of society.

Advanced Training - Academic
I have the theory that advanced degree do exist in the wizard world,
and that they are monitored and issued by Academic Review Committees.
Wizards who are engaged in advanced study of magic, would give
presentation, and publish academic and research papers which would be
reviewed by the committees. If you meet their standards, then you
would be awarded their accreditation. 

I speculate (highly speculate) that the basic degree of accreditation
is the 'Professoriate' which is quivalent to a Bachelors degree and
carries the title 'Professor'. For Howarts Professors, the title could
be honorary, or a courtesy, but I prefer to think it is also a formal
accredited title. 'Doctor' would be a title for someone who had
reached an advanced state of acedemic excellence, equivalent to a
Masters or PHD. 

These committees may be part of government. For example, the Ministry
of Magic may have academic review committees. Certainly the
International Confederation of Wizard would have an Academic
Committee. Or, they may be private organizations. For example, The
International Fraternal Order of Wizards. I made this one up for a
fiction, but private fraternal orders similar to the Masonic Temple
don't seem that unrealistic in the wizard world model.

The status of your title would be based on the status of the
organization that granted it to you. Just as a degree from Harvard
carries more prestige than a degree from a local state college.


One last note on Guilds, I think you did an */excellent/* job of
laying out the Guild Model, both the professional and the social
aspects of it. 

Overal, your post was probably one of the best, and most direct and
concise extended models of the wizard world that I have read (and that
includes my own), and want to repeat that it models my world view to
near perfection.

An excellent post by CatLady (Rita Prince Winston (cool name)), I hope
you saved a copy, I know I will. 

Steve/asian_lovr2





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jul 18 00:06:36 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:06:36 -0400
Subject: Clarification On Terminology
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEECNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hi Folks,

I'm posting this to the Canon list as well as the Chatter list so, if the
elves feel we should take it off the main we can discuss further on the
chat.

My question is regarding certain terms used and where/how they can be
defined.

First, let's try "wizard" and "warlock".  For the most part, people are
referred to as witches or wizards, but then the term warlock pops up and I'm
at a loss as to what distinguishes a wizard from a warlock or visa versa.

The second conundrum is "charm" and "spell.  They seem to be
interchangeable, but I'm not altogether sure.  And, things like the Reducto
"curse" which sounds like it could be just a super-shrinking spell...etc.

Can someone with a really logical head enlighten or clarify the mud of
confusion in which I wallow?  Please?

Thanks,
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 18 00:32:13 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:32:13 -0000
Subject: JKR and Hufflepuff (was: Wizarding Education)
In-Reply-To: <cdc6oh+4ujg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdcged+lobg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> The Catlady asserted:
> 
> > JKR... has... a low opinion of Hufflepuff.
> 
> Canon, please, Rita!
> 
> David, keeping his powder dry

GoF: << It was plain that the Hufflepuffs felt that Harry had stolen
their champion's glory; a feeling exacerbated, perhaps, by the fact
that **Hufflepuff house very rarely got any glory**, and that Cedric
was one of **the few who had ever given them any**, having beaten
Gryffindor once at Quidditch. >> (Emphasis added.)






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Jul 18 00:30:49 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:30:49 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wizarding Education (number of students at Hogwarts followed by long digression)
In-Reply-To: <cdc1ue+4sqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40FA5159.7165.6D03B4@localhost>

On 17 Jul 2004 at 20:24, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:

> I believe that EVERY child in Britain and Ireland with ANY wizarding
> power is invited to attend a school of magic. (There may be other
> countries in which Muggle-born students are not invited, no matter how
> powerful.) If all the students go to Hogwarts as JKR said, then
> Hogwarts has 1000 students as JKR said, that would be all the
> wizarding children, based on many previous threads about the size of
> wizarding population.

Ok, but why do you believe this?

What evidence do you have for believing it?

Universal (or near universal access) to a full secondary education 
is a *very* new phenomena in Britain. Students only became entitled 
to a partial free secondary education in the 1940s. As late as 
1960, less than 15% of students were receiving a full secondary 
education.

Wizarding Britain seems very close to historical Britain on social 
issues. It would seem to me rather odd to assume that Wizarding 
Britain has universal secondary education, when it's only very 
recent that Muggle Britain got it.

You can believe what you like, of course - but can you provide any 
evidence for your beliefs to convince other people they are valid.
 
> I believe that Hogwarts has several campus, the Castle that we see in
> canon is the main campus, has approx 280 students as shown in canon,
> and the children of less aptitude (and/or less family connections) are
> sent to other campus. Some listees believe that Hogwarts has only one
> campus, 280 students as depicted, and is the only School of Witchcraft
> and Wizardry, but all the lesser students are sent to a School of
> Magic instead. 

OK, Rita - can you name secondary schools in Britain that use a 
model of having several campuses in the way you describe for 
Hogwarts. We have, as far as I know, absolutely no evidence in 
canon for such a scenario (I could be wrong on that - and if I am, 
please point out the evidence), can you provide any evidence that 
there are real world scenarios in Britain where this applies.

> Either of those ideas would go along with Neville's statement that his
> family, even after they were reassured that he wasn't a Squib, doubted
> that he was magic enough to get in 'here': that is, to Hogwarts Main
> Campus rather than another campus, or to School of Witchcraft and
> Wizardry rather than to School of Magic.

Yes, they might - if we have any reason to suppose such other 
schools exist. I can't see any.

Deleting the rest, because it all seems plausible as a possible 
model. Which is fine. I'd just like to see some evidence from 
somewhere to suggest that this actually happens.

I confess to being just slightly annoyed with HPFGU at the moment - 
I sent a very large post, which I put a lot of research into, to 
the main list last week, and received virtually no comments about 
it at all. No reason I should I suppose... it's just very 
disappointing - especially when I see that far less detailed posts 
on the same types of issues spark a lot of discussion.

Maybe I should have posted it here (-8.



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 18 01:08:50 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:08:50 -0000
Subject: Wizarding Education (number of students at Hogwarts followed by long digress
In-Reply-To: <40FA5159.7165.6D03B4@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdcij2+al09@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:

> I confess to being just slightly annoyed with HPFGU at the moment - 
> I sent a very large post, which I put a lot of research into, to 
> the main list last week, and received virtually no comments about 
> it at all. No reason I should I suppose... it's just very 
> disappointing - especially when I see that far less detailed posts 
> on the same types of issues spark a lot of discussion.

Was that your post on MQ? Or maybe I haven't gotten to it yet -- I'm
still more than 1000 posts from caught up. The MQ post was very good
-- one problem with covering topic thoroughly is that there isn't much
left for people to say in reply. Like "Oh, the wizarding world is not
quite as corrupt as I thought: it admits children to school based
entirely on merit and not on their parents' political influence"?

As for my model of wizarding education, I have always figured that
wizards would be more advanced than Muggles in many things,
considering that they founded a school, built a castle, and put flush
toilets in it more than a thousand years ago. And have been making
wands (and keeping track of calendars) since 237 BC. But I could be
wrong ... May's Wizard of the Month, Felix Summerbee, invented
Cheering Charms in IIRC 1447 -- anyway, so recently that I was totally
shocked. Maybe they are far more primitive than I thought, and
distinctly behind us Muggles.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 18 01:14:02 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:14:02 -0000
Subject: Clarification On Terminology
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEECNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cdcisq+f37a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:

<< First, let's try "wizard" and "warlock".  For the most part, people
are referred to as witches or wizards, but then the term warlock pops
up and I'm at a loss as to what distinguishes a wizard from a warlock
or visa versa. >>

I think no one KNOWS, but MY theory is that, in the Potterverse, the
term "warlock" is the wizarding folk's term for an elected
representative, like "M.P." for the Brits.
   My understanding is that in RL historically the word "warlock" came
from a Saxon word meaning "oath-breaker" and it came to mean a magic
user as a result of the theory that all magic came from Satan, thus
implying the magic user had broken his baptism and confirmation in
Christianity.  
   So I can't imagine that any of the wizarding folk, who know
perfectly well that they aren't Satanists (except maybe for LV), would
call themselves "warlock", but I can imagine that they would call
their politicians "oath-breaker". 
   Here are some example usages, other than some rowdy warlocks at the
bar in the Three Broomsticks and some wild-looking warlocks at the bar
in the Leaky Cauldron:

There's a bit in OoP where Lupin says: "Dumbledore's 'been voted out
of the Chairmanship of the International Confederation of Wizards...
they've demoted him from chief Warlock on the Wizengamot... and
they're talking about taking away his Order of Merlin, First Class, too.'

If you remember Dumbledore's official Headmaster letterhead in PS/SS,
his name was followed by "Order of Merlin, First Class, Grand Sorc.,
Chf. Warlock, Supreme Mugwump, International Confed. of Wizards".
There has long been discussion of what those titles could possibly mean.

I think Chief Warlock is clearly the chairman of the Wizengamot, so
maybe Warlock is an ordinary member of it. I think Supreme Mugwump is
the title of the 'chairman' of the International [Con]federation of
Wizards/Warlocks.

(I think all those names have appeared in canon, and I think they all
mean the same organization.) 
International Federation of Wizards, pages 90 and 120 of UK OoP 
International Federation of Warlocks, pages 30 and 128 of UK OoP 
International Confederation of Wizards, on DD's letterhead in SS and
GoF ch.17
International Confederation of Warlocks' Statute of Secrecy in Mafalda
Hopkirk's letter in CoS
Fudge has been criticized by some members of the International
Federation of Warlocks for informing the Muggle Prime Minister of the
crisis. PoA

International Warlock Convention of 1289 was also mentioned in CoS. 
I imagine that "International Warlock Conventions" were held when the
wizarding folk needed to get together to solve a big problem, but
eventually evolved into a permanent institution, International
[Con]Federation of Wizards/Warlocks. 
 
<< The second conundrum is "charm" and "spell.  They seem to be
interchangeable, but I'm not altogether sure.  And, things like the
Reducto "curse" which sounds like it could be just a super-shrinking
spell...etc. >>

IIRC Reducto blasts things to bits, i.e. it reduces them to rubble
rather than putting them on a reducing diet.

Here are my gueses about the terminology of Potterverse magic:

I think the word 'spell' is a general term which includes charms,
transfiguration spells, curses, maybe even potions. "Charm" has been
defined as a spell which changes the behavior of an object, while
"Transfiguration" is a spell that turns it into something else, but I
don't understandy why causing metal keys to grow feathery wings is
considered a change of *behavior* and making chessmen giant is
considered changing them into something else. There is probably
something technical that Muggles can't understand, some magical analog
of "Charms require you to feel a strong emotion while Transfiguration
require you to solve an equation."

I think "curse" is a general word for a harmful spell. Some of them
are probably classifiable as Charms -- Cheering Charm and Leg-Locker
Curse both change the recipient's behavior. I don't know if there is a
distinction between Jinx and Hex or just whichever sounds better in
the name of the curse.




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Jul 18 01:13:50 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:13:50 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Wizarding Education (number of students at Hogwarts followed by long digress
In-Reply-To: <cdcij2+al09@eGroups.com>
References: <40FA5159.7165.6D03B4@localhost>
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On 18 Jul 2004 at 1:08, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
> wrote:
> 
> > I confess to being just slightly annoyed with HPFGU at the moment - 
> > I sent a very large post, which I put a lot of research into, to 
> > the main list last week, and received virtually no comments about 
> > it at all. No reason I should I suppose... it's just very 
> > disappointing - especially when I see that far less detailed posts 
> > on the same types of issues spark a lot of discussion.
> 
> Was that your post on MQ? Or maybe I haven't gotten to it yet -- I'm
> still more than 1000 posts from caught up. The MQ post was very good
> -- one problem with covering topic thoroughly is that there isn't much
> left for people to say in reply. Like "Oh, the wizarding world is not
> quite as corrupt as I thought: it admits children to school based
> entirely on merit and not on their parents' political influence"?

No, it's a post sent about a week ago "Hogwarts School of 
Witchcraft and Wizardry in the Context of the British Public 
Schools."

Came it at about 5000 words, all properly referenced - I was 
working on it for months.

> As for my model of wizarding education, I have always figured that
> wizards would be more advanced than Muggles in many things,
> considering that they founded a school, built a castle, and put flush
> toilets in it more than a thousand years ago. And have been making
> wands (and keeping track of calendars) since 237 BC. But I could be
> wrong ... May's Wizard of the Month, Felix Summerbee, invented
> Cheering Charms in IIRC 1447 -- anyway, so recently that I was totally
> shocked. Maybe they are far more primitive than I thought, and
> distinctly behind us Muggles.

I don't think it's  "primitive" as such - it's a matter of cultural 
choices. 1950s Britain wasn't primitive - it's educational choices 
were based on what the society needed. That's how most societies 
have been historically. Universal education only becomes common 
when a society sees a reason to have a universally educated 
populace - and the Wizarding World, to me, doesn't seem to be such 
a society.

There are actually Muggle schools in Britain that are older than 
Hogwarts - not many, but a few.

Part of the point of my long essay was looking at the idea that 
Hogwarts developed as a part of the British education system - it 
has so many characteristics that are so similar to the oldest 
schools in Britain that it seems likely it evolved in very much the 
same way.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From ellencs44 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 00:49:59 2004
From: ellencs44 at yahoo.com (ellencs44)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:49:59 -0000
Subject: Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <cdbsed+lqtk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdchfn+b3rn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
> Dumbledad:
> > 
> > I agree, I wasn't questioning her logic, more her taste. No that's 
> the wrong word. Her grip on reality. No that's wrong too. There's 
> just something that makes me very uneasy about comparing 
> real-world suffering to a character in a kids' book as a way of 
> illustrating just how bad the real suffering must be.
> > 
> 
> Hmmm. I don't think that's what she was trying to do. It wouldn't 
> be like JKR to trivialize anyone's suffering. I think she was trying 
> to harness some of the indignation that people express on 
> Harry's behalf--look how many main list posts have there been 
> expressing outrage that the Dursleys and Snape treat Harry so 
> badly. JKR must get ten times that in her mailbag every day.
> 
>  Wouldn't it be nice to expend some of that energy on behalf of 
> some real children who need help?
> 
> Pippin
> going to find out what she can do

Brava PIppin, 

Less talk, more action is what this demands.

Ellen, 
following Pippin's excellent example










From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 02:05:48 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR and Hufflepuff (was: Wizarding Education)
Message-ID: <20040718020548.42237.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com>

Catlady notes in response to Dave's request:

> > The Catlady asserted:
> > 
> > > JKR... has... a low opinion of Hufflepuff.
> > 
> > Canon, please, Rita!
> > 
> > David, keeping his powder dry
> 
> GoF: << It was plain that the Hufflepuffs felt that
Harry had 
> stolen their champion's glory; a feeling
exacerbated, 
> perhaps, by the fact that **Hufflepuff house very
rarely got 
> any glory**, and that Cedric was one of **the few
who had 
> ever given them any**, having beaten Gryffindor once
at 
> Quidditch. >> (Emphasis added.)

Sorry, but I don't see how this quote in any way
supports the theory
that Rowling has a low opinion of Hufflepuff. 

Suzanne



		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 02:22:54 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:22:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: accents and getting older
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Message-ID: <20040718022254.45045.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>



davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:
moonmyyst wrote:

> Well, I was going to be a Marine Biologist and develop a shark 
repelent that was going to keep beaches safe.

and:

> Became that Marine Biologist and had another kid besides.

But... but... you didn't tell us: did you invent that shark 
repellent?  It's a wonderful idea, worthy of JKR herself.

I love the idea of just quickly spraying on the SPF 30 (shark 
protection factor 30) before going for a swim.  Perhaps Dennis 
Creevey uses a squid repellent?

David



Nah.... ended up working with spotted seals of all things!!

moonmyyst


		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 02:32:37 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:32:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <20040717123045.73173.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>
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"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:

Oh--yeah--"warsh" instead of "wash."  That just kills me!  Uh--where'd that
extra R come from? <Snigger.>



you mean that is not how you say it?  Dear, you really must be right, bless your little heart.  (innocent smile and a slightly tilted head).

moonmyyst

; )


            


Just want you guys to know that I was so busted at work today.  I am a dog trainer at one of the major pet supply chains.  While I was patiently standing there listening patiently to a bone-head going on and on about her cat's runny eyes (after 3 of us telling her over and over to go to the vet) I looked at her with what I hoped was a sympathetic smile and began to say "well, bless your heart."  After the first word I thought about this thread and what I was about to say, choked in mid-word and turned and walked off with tears in my eyes because I was laughing so hard.  Gee thanks you guys.  I am never going to say that phrase again with you thinking of y'all!!

moonmyyst (who's co-workers thought she was cracked to start with and now are ready to make reservations for her at the loonie-bin!!)


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jul 18 02:45:24 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:45:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Wizarding Education (number of students at
 Hogwarts followed by long digress
In-Reply-To: <40FA5B6E.17835.946621@localhost>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEDDDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Shaun,

I started to read your essay post and got distracted by several other
things, however, I do intend to sit with it probably tomorrow.

I saved it off the list after deleting several topics/threads and only
saving the few to which I was either going to respond or was just plain
interested in reading. <Grin>

Cheers,
Lee :-)
(On Overdrive...maybe.)

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I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 18 05:06:51 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 05:06:51 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts in the Context of the British Public School
In-Reply-To: <40FA5B6E.17835.946621@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdd0hb+j6v4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:

> No, it's a post sent about a week ago "Hogwarts School of 
> Witchcraft and Wizardry in the Context of the British Public 
> Schools."

I finally reached that post (105610 of 106734) and *Good* Catlady
wrote comments!

Shaun, it seems (from the style of in-line 'footnotes') that you
intended the stuffy academic writing style, therefore presumably aimed
at a stuffy academic journal. I don't understand why an essay intended
to "increase people's enjoyment and understanding of the series" isn't
written in a more enjoyable style with the intention of being
published in some general-interest magazine or even newspaper where
readers who aren't university professors will read it. I know you have
a writing style that is very enjoyable to read, because you use it for
your normal posts.

<< But such meta-analysis is somehow unsatisfying to many readers.>>

Isn't meta-analysis, in this context, a term invented on HPfGU?

<< People want literature to appear real in the sense that it should
be internally consistent. We are shown a school of magic with obvious
influences from our own Muggle world. Some of us naturally wish to
find explanations for those influences. >>

No, *fans* want literature to appear real ... to find explanations for
[everything].

<< As most public schools were single sex establishments, there was no
need for titles that included a gender distinction, nor was there
much pressure to have two such offices. >>

Didn't some listie say that she had been Deputy Head Girl at her
all-girls school?

<< Bill Weasley holds a responsible position as a curse breaker at
Gringotts (Rowling, 1999, p.12) and is successful enough that he can
apparently ignore the conventions of normal wizarding dress >>

:) But I suspect that Bill's style is not as uncommon among employed
young wizards as Molly wants us to think.

<< unlike many of the historically great Headmasters, he does not seem
to be a clergyman >>

Here's a question actually related to your essay: WHY were they
clergymen? Actually, I mean, why would clergymen want to be
headmasters of snob schools rather than ministering to a congregation
or running a soup kitchen?   

<< In simple terms, what is described as having happened at Hogwarts
historically seems no worse than that which happened at many other
schools. >>

I thought Filch spoke longingly of racks and thumbscrews and hanging
them from the ceiling by their handcuffs...

What other parts of the tradition is Hogwarts missing? As an ignorant
American, the only one I know for sure is compulsory chapel.

Why doesn't Hogwarts have a prize-giving ceremony near the end of the
school year, with prizes for .... gods, I don't know what the
wizarding equivalent of "best Latin epigram" would be.  

Why doesn't Hogwarts have any music or arts education, apparently no
foreign languages or maths?




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Jul 18 06:08:04 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:08:04 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hogwarts in the Context of the British Public School
In-Reply-To: <cdd0hb+j6v4@eGroups.com>
References: <40FA5B6E.17835.946621@localhost>
Message-ID: <40FAA064.1346.792495@localhost>

On 18 Jul 2004 at 5:06, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
> wrote:
> 
> > No, it's a post sent about a week ago "Hogwarts School of 
> > Witchcraft and Wizardry in the Context of the British Public 
> > Schools."
> 
> I finally reached that post (105610 of 106734) and *Good* Catlady
> wrote comments!
> 
> Shaun, it seems (from the style of in-line 'footnotes') that you
> intended the stuffy academic writing style, therefore presumably aimed
> at a stuffy academic journal. I don't understand why an essay intended
> to "increase people's enjoyment and understanding of the series" isn't
> written in a more enjoyable style with the intention of being
> published in some general-interest magazine or even newspaper where
> readers who aren't university professors will read it. I know you have
> a writing style that is very enjoyable to read, because you use it for
> your normal posts.

Well, frankly, because I kind of assume that the people who read 
HPFGU are intelligent enough to handle footnoting. Frankly, except 
for the presence of footnoting, I don't think writing style is any 
different in this post than in any other planned post I've ever 
made.

Take out the footnotes, it's pretty much exactly the same.

The purpose of including the footnotes comes right down to the 
nature of the post. I'm trying to compare Hogwarts to an historical 
record, as given in a variety of other books. I'm basing my post on 
evidence. Citing the sources means people can see that this is not 
just an opinion piece. I've written my own opinions down on these 
issues on occasions, there's nothing wrong with doing that - but 
this is intended to be not just my opinions, but also showing where 
those opinions come from.

The main thing that inspired the post if anything were the recent 
discussion on Spape's teaching style. I gave my views based on my 
experiences during that thread, and it was clear that other people 
were doing precisely the same - and it became very clear that a 
number of fans were, in my opinion, falling into the trap of 
comparing Hogwarts to a modern school founded on modern educational 
beliefs - and in some cases, specifically American modern 
educational beliefs. People were not considering that Hogwarts is 
not part of modern culture - and certainly isn't a part of modern 
American culture. To me, one of the most attractive things about 
the Harry Potter books is they draw on a specific cultural 
heritage. So I was seeking to draw out the points of that cultural 
heritage.

> << But such meta-analysis is somehow unsatisfying to many 
readers.>>
> 
> Isn't meta-analysis, in this context, a term invented on HPfGU?

It's a term that we were using in literature studies when I was at 
school in 1990/1991. Presumably it's older than that because I 
doubt it was invented in our classroom, but that's when I first 
encountered it.
 
> << People want literature to appear real in the sense that it should
> be internally consistent. We are shown a school of magic with obvious
> influences from our own Muggle world. Some of us naturally wish to
> find explanations for those influences. >>
> 
> No, *fans* want literature to appear real ... to find explanations for
> [everything].

'Fans' are a type of people - at least, I hope they are.
 
> << As most public schools were single sex establishments, there was no
> need for titles that included a gender distinction, nor was there
> much pressure to have two such offices. >>
> 
> Didn't some listie say that she had been Deputy Head Girl at her
> all-girls school?

Possibly - but if you read one of the following sentences, you'll 
see: "The terms Head Boy and Head Girl however are not uncommon at 
coeducational establishments, and are not unheard of in single sex 
schools."

The term is not unheard of in single sex schools - but it's less 
common.

> 
> << Bill Weasley holds a responsible position as a curse breaker at
> Gringotts (Rowling, 1999, p.12) and is successful enough that he can
> apparently ignore the conventions of normal wizarding dress >>
> 
> :) But I suspect that Bill's style is not as uncommon among employed
> young wizards as Molly wants us to think.

Possibly not - that's why I said 'apparently' (-8 It may well be 
that Molly's reaction is not justified - it's hard to know.

> << unlike many of the historically great Headmasters, he does not seem
> to be a clergyman >>
> 
> Here's a question actually related to your essay: WHY were they
> clergymen? Actually, I mean, why would clergymen want to be
> headmasters of snob schools rather than ministering to a congregation
> or running a soup kitchen?   

Well, partly, it's because the Church was a career as much as it 
was a vocation. While most men who entered the church were 
presumably pious, they also had to consider how to feed their 
families, and many were just as likely as anyone else to want to be 
successful. Getting a Headmaster's position at a prominent school 
was a way of making yourself known, and could lead to considerable 
power in the Church heirarchy. A fair number of these Headmasters 
went onto become Deans or even Bishops.

One example - the career path of man who crowned Queen Elizabeth 
II, Geoffrey Fisher

1911-1914, Assistant Master at Marlborough College. Ordained 1913.
1914-1932, Headmaster of Repton School.
1932-1939, Bishop of Chester.
1939-1945, Bishop of London.
1945-1961, Archbishop of Canterbury.

Gaining a position as a Head of such a school was a fairly good 
career move.

Now, the reason clergy were sought to run such schools by the 
Governors of the schools - sometimes, the school's charter required 
a clergyman, but other times, it was simply that they wanted a 
'moral man' to instill good morals in the boys. One of the 
Headmasters primary jobs was to have a positive influence on the 
moral development of his pupils - you're looking for a man with 
high morals, trained to instill high morals in others - looking 
within the church was a good place to start.

And from the perspective of a moral man - well, it could seem an 
attractive proposal from his perspective as well. Running a soup 
kitchen is certainly a way to make a positive difference.

But so is influencing the moral development of the next generation. 
Creating young men who has a decent moral grounding, so when they 
come to influence society, they do so from a moral position - 
that's a powerful thing. For a man who wants to make a positive 
difference for the world - doing his part to ensure the next 
generation of leaders understand the difference between right and 
wrong, may seem very attractive, and a very worthwhile 
contribution.
 
> << In simple terms, what is described as having happened at Hogwarts
> historically seems no worse than that which happened at many other
> schools. >>
> 
> I thought Filch spoke longingly of racks and thumbscrews and hanging
> them from the ceiling by their handcuffs...

No, not of racks and thumbscrews - but yes, he does talk about 
chaining students to the ceiling. That actually did happen in some 
schools historically, but I didn't really want to dwell on those 
details as I was just talking about an historical comparison, 
rather than something that is supposedly happening in Hogwarts now. 
I simply picked out one example.
 
> What other parts of the tradition is Hogwarts missing? As an ignorant
> American, the only one I know for sure is compulsory chapel.

That's certainly one - although chapel wasn't always compulsory. 
Fagging is also missing (practice of using younger students as 
servants by older ones).
 
> Why doesn't Hogwarts have a prize-giving ceremony near the end of the
> school year, with prizes for .... gods, I don't know what the
> wizarding equivalent of "best Latin epigram" would be.  

Again, not a universal - though such ceremonies are common at such 
schools. I didn't think of that omission... I might have to look at 
how common such were, and when they became common - I have 
suspicions they are a relatively recent invention, but I'd need to 
check (relatively recent in this case could mean up to 150 years 
old).

> Why doesn't Hogwarts have any music or arts education, apparently no
> foreign languages or maths?

Because it's not considered necessary - and that matches the public 
schools fairly well as well - until well into the 19th century, 
many of these school focused almost entirely on Latin, Greek, and 
Divinity - things like mathematics, music, art, English, history, 
geography, science, etc - were ignored.

It seems odd to us with our perception of education, but they 
weren't considered necessary for a long time.
 

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 13:01:49 2004
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:01:49 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEBJDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cddsbt+p6vs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is 
The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> I always have to laugh at "wonst," "twiced," "acrossed" 
and "hightth"
> instead of "once," "twice," "across" and "height."  Art spent some 
time in
> Chappel Hill, NC, and had some friends from those areas and has 
definitely
> picked up the "hightth" thing which drives me nuts.
> 
> Oh--yeah--"warsh" instead of "wash."  That just kills me!  Uh--
where'd that
> extra R come from? <Snigger.>
 <SNIP>

A. Goldfeesh here:

I can tell you exactly where the extra "R comes from: Boston!  
Haven't you heard of the Linguistical Law of Letter Conservation?  
Any "R" dropped in Boston-speak comes to southwest Iowa and makes 
its way further south.

I must say that I had never heard of "heighth" as being considered 
Southern though. Nearly everyone I know says it that way (although 
southwest Iowa, where I'm from, is accused of having more in common 
with Missouri/southern speak than the rest of the state).

A. Goldfeesh
who proudly, nay, perversely, warshes clothes, and knows that George 
Warshington was the first President. Plus, walks on SEE-ment, has 
pet feesh, and knows what democrat bugs and gran'daddy longlegs are.




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jul 18 15:02:48 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 18 Jul 2004 15:02:48 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1090162968.33.68144.m19@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, July 18, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From mswiseabc123 at aol.com  Sun Jul 18 17:27:09 2004
From: mswiseabc123 at aol.com (mswisegrade3)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:27:09 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cddsbt+p6vs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdebtd+6sq3@eGroups.com>

> A. Goldfeesh here:
> 
> I can tell you exactly where the extra "R comes from: Boston!  
> Haven't you heard of the Linguistical Law of Letter Conservation?  
> Any "R" dropped in Boston-speak comes to southwest Iowa and makes 
> its way further south.
> 
> I must say that I had never heard of "heighth" as being considered 
> Southern though. Nearly everyone I know says it that way (although 
> southwest Iowa, where I'm from, is accused of having more in common 
> with Missouri/southern speak than the rest of the state).
> 
> A. Goldfeesh
> who proudly, nay, perversely, warshes clothes, and knows that 
George 
> Warshington was the first President. Plus, walks on SEE-ment, has 
> pet feesh, and knows what democrat bugs and gran'daddy longlegs are.


Now for Missy's turn:

I have always thought of myself as having a neutral accent, and was 
very proud of that fact, that I had gotten away from things that my 
grandparents and parents say, for example Bob-Wire (instead of barbed-
wire,) and batt'ry (instead of batt-e-ry,) but as I was teaching 
Sunday School this morning I just listened to myself... and thought 
of all of things that you all had been listing on this thread... and 
I am guilty :-) Then I saw the above and had to stop and 
think, "Well, what do you call it if not cement" (pronounced see-
ment) Lol... 

Another thing, and I wonder if this is just southern or is it 
everywhere? As a kindergarten teacher I have a problem explaining how 
to spell words like ten, pen, hen, den because we all say TIN, PIN, 
HIN, DIN... So I wind up saying Well, we say it like that, but we 
spell it like this... Another problem, dog, hog, log, fog which we 
say dawg, hawg, lawg, fawg...  

Missy- whose dad just said "I didn't have a dollar to boot," and 
doesn't know where that came from, southern or not! 




From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 18:19:37 2004
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:19:37 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cdebtd+6sq3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdeevp+s85h@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mswisegrade3" 
<mswiseabc123 at a...> wrote:
> > A. Goldfeesh here:
> > 
> > I can tell you exactly where the extra "R comes from: Boston!  
> > Haven't you heard of the Linguistical Law of Letter 
Conservation?  
> > Any "R" dropped in Boston-speak comes to southwest Iowa and makes 
> > its way further south.
> > 
> > I must say that I had never heard of "heighth" as being 
considered 
> > Southern though. Nearly everyone I know says it that way 
(although 
> > southwest Iowa, where I'm from, is accused of having more in 
common 
> > with Missouri/southern speak than the rest of the state).
> > 
> > A. Goldfeesh
> > who proudly, nay, perversely, warshes clothes, and knows that 
> George 
> > Warshington was the first President. Plus, walks on SEE-ment, has 
> > pet feesh, and knows what democrat bugs and gran'daddy longlegs 
are.
> 
> 
> Now for Missy's turn:
> 
> I have always thought of myself as having a neutral accent, and was 
> very proud of that fact, that I had gotten away from things that my 
> grandparents and parents say, for example Bob-Wire (instead of 
barbed-
> wire,) and batt'ry (instead of batt-e-ry,) but as I was teaching 
> Sunday School this morning I just listened to myself... and thought 
> of all of things that you all had been listing on this thread... 
and 
> I am guilty :-) Then I saw the above and had to stop and 
> think, "Well, what do you call it if not cement" (pronounced see-
> ment) Lol... 
> 
> Another thing, and I wonder if this is just southern or is it 
> everywhere? As a kindergarten teacher I have a problem explaining 
how 
> to spell words like ten, pen, hen, den because we all say TIN, PIN, 
> HIN, DIN... So I wind up saying Well, we say it like that, but we 
> spell it like this... Another problem, dog, hog, log, fog which we 
> say dawg, hawg, lawg, fawg...  
> 
> Missy- whose dad just said "I didn't have a dollar to boot," and 
> doesn't know where that came from, southern or not!

Cyndi from South Carolina says:
I grew up in the south, but my parents are from NY and Canada.  I 
speak more like they do, but there is no way to avoid environmental 
influences.  I say ya'll all the time, and am not ashamed to admit 
it!  <big grin>  One thing I am bothered by about "southern speak" 
seems to come from the Charleston, SC area...saying CarolinER instead 
of CarolinA.  Some how words that end in "a" are pronounce as if they 
end with "er".  That is one thing I haved made every effort to avoid!

I am truly enjoying this thread, by the way!!





From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 18:26:43 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:26:43 -0000
Subject: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <20040717013342.33441.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdefd3+hc49@eGroups.com>

 
 

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Phil Vlasak 
<pcsgames at t...> wrote:
> > 
> > Now Phil:
> > In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
> > Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached them: Dudley 
> > was curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his 
> > face; ...edited...
> > 
> > Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his face if he
> >  couldn't see them?
> >
> > Muggles can't see dementors.
> > Phil
 
> Asian_lovr2:
> 
> Simple, Harry told Dudley to cover his mouth.
> 
> --- Quote - Am Ed HB Pg 17 ---
> 
> "DUDLEY, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! WHATEVER YOU DO, KEEP YOUR MOUTH 
> SHUT! ..."
> 
> - - - End Quote - - -
> 
> Just passing it along.
>
> Steve/asian_lovr2

 
 
> Since when has Dudley ever done anything, anything at all that 
Harry said to do?  Especially if Dudley thought Harry was attacking 
him.  Unless he saw the Dementors.  I just find it very hard to 
believe that if Dudley did not see them, then he would be thinking 
that it was Harry doing the attacking, so why would he do what Harry 
told him to do and help in the attack.
> 
> moonmyyst 


Griffin782002 now:
This is my first post in this list. About the subject whether Dudley 
saw the Dementors or not, did anyone else had the impression that 
Mrs Figg although claimed she saw the Dementors, was in fast unable 
to see them?

Griffin782002
 





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 18 19:05:53 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:05:53 -0000
Subject: Dementors
In-Reply-To: <cdefd3+hc49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdehmh+b43a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "griffin782002"
<griffin782002 at y...> wrote:

> This is my first post in this list. About the subject whether Dudley 
> saw the Dementors or not, did anyone else had the impression that 
> Mrs Figg although claimed she saw the Dementors, was in fast unable 
> to see them?

Yes, I thought Mrs Figg couldn't see the Dementors. Her court
testimony of what she saw sounded to me very hesitant but her
testimony of what she *felt* sounded fluent, spontaneous, and emotional.




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jul 18 19:42:36 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:42:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cddsbt+p6vs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEDMDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

From: ameliagoldfeesh
| Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 09:02
| I can tell you exactly where the extra "R comes from: Boston!
| Haven't you heard of the Linguistical Law of Letter Conservation?
| Any "R" dropped in Boston-speak comes to southwest Iowa and makes
| its way further south.

[Lee]:
Okay, I can handle this...I think? <Grin>

[Goldfish]:
| I must say that I had never heard of "heighth" as being considered
| Southern though. Nearly everyone I know says it that way (although
| southwest Iowa, where I'm from, is accused of having more in common
| with Missouri/southern speak than the rest of the state).

[Lee]:
Well, "height" doesn't end with an "h", so all my kin and everyone else I
knew pronounced it "hite"...until I met my Honey and then some southern folk
and heard this sudden addition of an "h" at the end...Hmm--.

Oh well, guess us folk from the Nor-East just talk funny. <Grin>

Smiles, and have a great day.  It be raining here in NJ...again!

Lee :-)

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I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.
|
| A. Goldfeesh
| who proudly, nay, perversely, warshes clothes, and knows that George
| Warshington was the first President. Plus, walks on SEE-ment, has
| pet feesh, and knows what democrat bugs and gran'daddy longlegs are.
|
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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jul 18 20:20:07 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:20:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cdebtd+6sq3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEDNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

<LOL!>

Here's another one: A-M-B-U-L-A-N-C-E
Is it Amboo-lance or Ambewlance?

When I lived in New York, around the Harlem Area the word was pronounced the
first way. <Grin>

Lee (Hopelessly Grinning!)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jul 18 20:23:34 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:23:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <cdefd3+hc49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEDNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| > Asian_lovr2:
| >
| > Simple, Harry told Dudley to cover his mouth.
| >
| > --- Quote - Am Ed HB Pg 17 ---
| >
| > "DUDLEY, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! WHATEVER YOU DO, KEEP YOUR MOUTH
| > SHUT! ..."

[Lee]:
That doesn't necessarily mean to cover the mouth/face/etc.  It means just
what was said, "Keep your mouth shut!"  But, I must agree with Phil here;
being curled up with arms over head is clearly, to me at least, a position
assumed by someone who sees something most fearful.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sun Jul 18 21:39:19 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:39:19 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts in the Context of the British Public School
In-Reply-To: <40FAA064.1346.792495@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdeqm7+dnf7@eGroups.com>

Catlady writes:
> > Didn't some listie say that she had been Deputy Head Girl at her
> > all-girls school?
> 

That would be me, probably. I also have the distinction of never 
having been a prefect, making a career progression for James of 'not 
a prefect but Head Boy' entirely possible. 

Catlady:
> > Here's a question actually related to your essay: WHY were they
> > clergymen? Actually, I mean, why would clergymen want to be
> > headmasters of snob schools rather than ministering to a 
> > congregation or running a soup kitchen?   
> Shaun:
> Well, partly, it's because the Church was a career as much as it 
> was a vocation. While most men who entered the church were 
> presumably pious, they also had to consider how to feed their 
> families, and many were just as likely as anyone else to want to 
be 
> successful. Getting a Headmaster's position at a prominent school 
> was a way of making yourself known, and could lead to considerable 
> power in the Church heirarchy. A fair number of these Headmasters 
> went onto become Deans or even Bishops.

Pip!Squeak:
Quite true, but there is also the *long* connection of the Church 
and Education. There was a longish period when anyone literate was 
probably in the Church, maybe in some minor non-celibate order, or 
had probably been educated at a monastery or by a priest. Most 
Fellows at the two English universities were in divine orders for a 
very long time as well. Add this to the idea that parish priests or 
their curates often tutored youngsters privately for some extra cash 
and clergyman=teacher and teacher=clergyman was pretty firmly 
established in people's minds. 

So it probably wouldn't occur to anyone that a clergyman *shouldn't* 
teach/head a snob school, just as clergymen were Fellows at the very 
snobbish Oxford and Cambridge Universities.

Catlady:
> > Why doesn't Hogwarts have any music or arts education, 
> > apparently no foreign languages or maths?
> Shaun:
> Because it's not considered necessary - and that matches the 
public 
> schools fairly well as well - until well into the 19th century, 
> many of these school focused almost entirely on Latin, Greek, and 
> Divinity - things like mathematics, music, art, English, history, 
> geography, science, etc - were ignored.
> 
> It seems odd to us with our perception of education, but they 
> weren't considered necessary for a long time.

Pip!Squeak:
Agreeing with Shaun: you picked up what you needed by studying the 
Greek. Aristotle covered all that was needed of Natural Philosophy, 
for example. Pythagorus, geometry. And so forth.

Similarly, I suspect Hogwarts considers that necessary maths is 
covered *within* the appropriate subjects - potions, astronomy 
(which is pretty mathematical). Music and art are probably 
considered 'home' subjects - things you often learn at home anyway, 
so why bother including them at school? Languages - I'm suspicious 
of the high level wizards who speak incredible numbers of languages, 
so that may simply be an advanced spell. Or more likely it's a joke 
about the abysmal language teaching in English schools. ;-)

Pip!Squeak





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Jul 18 21:57:10 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:57:10 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts in the Context of the British Public School
In-Reply-To: <40FAA064.1346.792495@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdernm+c9i2@eGroups.com>

Shaun wrote:

> 'Fans' are a type of people - at least, I hope they are.

Shaun, your optimism does you credit

:D




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 19 01:20:44 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:20:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cdeevp+s85h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040719012044.10188.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>




Lordy, lordy, lordy, she musta got herself whupped up side tha head with an uugly stick, bless her heart.

(an unattractive woman)

moonmyyst


		
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From editor at texas.net  Mon Jul 19 06:09:23 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:09:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
References: <20040719012044.10188.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a301c46d57$70a413c0$0d58aacf@texas.net>

Is this Texan or Southern (or Western): coyote ugly (said of a woman)?

~Amanda

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>
>
>
> Lordy, lordy, lordy, she musta got herself whupped up side tha head with
an uugly stick, bless her heart.
>
> (an unattractive woman)
>
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 19 13:23:01 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <00a301c46d57$70a413c0$0d58aacf@texas.net>
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Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:
Is this Texan or Southern (or Western): coyote ugly (said of a woman)?

~Amanda



The first time I heard that one was when I moved to Galveston (outside of Houston) for a few years.  Not southern.  I am guessing Texas but could be just Western.  They also had a very unique for any carbonated beverage (coke, pepsi, etc) and that is "soda water".

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From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 19 18:40:53 2004
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:40:53 -0000
Subject: Convention Alley Registration Closes Tomorrow!
Message-ID: <cdh4jl+2cn9@eGroups.com>

Just a reminder that on-line registration closes tomorrow, July 20th,
for Convention Alley, the HPfGU-sponsored conference for grown-up
Harry Potter fans to be held at the University of Ottawa from July 30-
August 1, 2004. There will be no on-site registration available for
this conference.

Extra tickets for the birthday banquet featuring keynote speaker
Steve Vander Ark on Saturday, July 31st and the luncheon featuring
guest speaker Dr. Judith Robertson on Sunday, August 1st are
available, but must be purchased by tomorrow, July 20th.

Everything you need to know about registering for the conference
and/or purchasing additional banquet/luncheon tickets may be found
here: http://www.conventionalley.org/registration.html .

We look forward to seeing you at our magical event - only 11 days to
go!

~Phyllis Morris
2004 Convention Alley Planning Committee





From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 19:20:54 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:20:54 -0000
Subject: Wizarding Education/British School
In-Reply-To: <40FA5B6E.17835.946621@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdh6um+5f8o@eGroups.com>

--- InIn HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I confess to being just slightly annoyed with HPFGU at the 
moment - 
> > > I sent a very large post, which I put a lot of research into, 
to 
> > > the main list last week, and received virtually no comments 
about 
> > > it at all. 

Aren't we all just getting a bit too analytical and delving far 
deeper than JKR would ever have intended?  To me, although the 
institution of Hogwarts is obviously important, and part of the 
story, I think JKR would just want us to accept it at face value.  
Maybe that is easier for me to do since I am British, went through 
the British education system, I'm assuming as JKR did.
To me Hogwarts works as a secondary school and thats that.  I took an 
eleven plus at my last year of primary school and the result of that 
determined whether I went to a secondary modern school (if I didn't 
make the grade) or an all girls grammar school.  As Harry never took 
any kind of exam (that we or he are aware of) there is obviously a 
different selection process - I think just being a potential wizard 
is enough.
On receiving my letter telling me "Congratulations, I had been 
selected to attend Boston High School for girls" I was as thrilled as 
Harry.  During the summer holidays my mum and I went to town and 
bought uniforms, stationery, hockey boots etc etc (Harry and Hagrid 
in Diagon Alley)
I waited at the bus stop with my best friend from primary school and 
we were off on a big adventure, no longer pupils at the small village 
school, but part of the big wide world going to school in the town 
(Hogwarts Express)
There were 100 new first years from the town and surrounding area, 
split into 4 forms - 1H, 1B, 1X and 1S, and you stayed with that 
letter throughout school (1H, 2H, 3H, 4H etc). - sorting
We all stayed at school until the end of the 5th year when we took 
our O levels (ordinary levels) (OWLS).  You could then leave school 
at 16, or stay on the the lower and upper 6th to complete your A 
levels (advanced level)(NEWTS), by which time you're 18 and can go 
off to university...
So you see, everything JKR has written about school I can quite 
easily relate to it without having to analyse it so much.  I think 
JKR is about the same age as me so probably had a very similar 
experience.
I think of myself learning how to play hockey when I had never heard 
of it before (Quidditch)
My mum and Dad giving me tips on Physics and Chemistry because I'd 
never done that before (potions)
Being in awe of prefects who seemd so old and mature (17 compared to 
me, 11), and the head girl who was so important she was bound to be 
prime minister or something...
So stop analysing - this is all normal
I've had my say now, thank you for reading this far
Sarah xx




From drliss at comcast.net  Mon Jul 19 20:04:57 2004
From: drliss at comcast.net (drliss at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:04:57 +0000
Subject: Dr. Demento Song?
Message-ID: <071920042004.26330.40FC2969000470BB000066DA22007511509C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>

Forgive me if this has been beaten to death or already discussed or brought up, but...

Yesterday on the chat someone gave me a link to a Dr. Demento song about PoA with Harry and Draco rapping to the tune of "Baby Got Back".  If someone has the link, could they please please please pretty please post it?  I was stupid and forgot to write it down.

Thanks!
Lissa

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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 19 21:05:50 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Bush)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:05:50 -0000
Subject: From the beginning......
Message-ID: <cdhd3e+sthm@eGroups.com>

Since I've just recently fallen into the Harry Potter trap (and I 
mean that in the best possible way!), I would dearly love to get 
involved in a discussion group that starts waaaayyyyy back with the 
first book and moves forward to Phoenix.  (Maybe by then, HBP will 
be out!!)

Any takers?  Is there a group or site or thread already doing this?  
Please don't tell me it's already been done...I know that, I just 
MISSED it all!  I'm looking for other newbies or just other properly 
obsessed oldies who want to start from scratch.  



Marita





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 19 23:12:27 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:12:27 -0000
Subject: Dr. Demento Song?
In-Reply-To: <071920042004.26330.40FC2969000470BB000066DA22007511509C9C07049D0B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cdhkgr+h0f3@eGroups.com>

I'm the one who found the link. Here it is and enjoy!

http://www.bittersweetmusings.com/Tony_Goldmark-Sirius_Black.mp3

If anyone listens to the Dr. Demento show several Harry Potter 
parodies have made his top 5 nearly every week.

Dr. Demento website is:

http://www.drdemento.com/index.html

Dudemom_2000

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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, drliss at c... wrote:
> Forgive me if this has been beaten to death or already discussed 
or brought up, but...
> 
> Yesterday on the chat someone gave me a link to a Dr. Demento song 
about PoA with Harry and Draco rapping to the tune of "Baby Got 
Back".  If someone has the link, could they please please please 
pretty please post it?  I was stupid and forgot to write it down.
> 
> Thanks!
> Lissa
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 01:23:34 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 01:23:34 -0000
Subject: Wizarding Education/British School
In-Reply-To: <cdh6um+5f8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdhs6m+4bp1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> --- InIn HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
> <drednort at a...>
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > I confess to being just slightly annoyed with HPFGU at the 
> > moment - I sent a very large post, which I put a lot of research 
> > into,  to the main list last week, and received virtually no 
> > comments about it at all. 

> Sarah:
> 
> Aren't we all just getting a bit too analytical and delving far 
> deeper than JKR would ever have intended?  ... I think JKR would
> just want us to accept it at face value.  
> Maybe that is easier for me to do since I am British, went through 
> the British education system, I'm assuming as JKR did.
>
> To me Hogwarts works as a secondary school and thats that. I took an 
> eleven plus at my last year of primary school and the result of that 
> determined whether I went to a secondary modern school ... During 
> the summer holidays my mum and I went to town and bought uniforms, 
> stationery, hockey boots etc etc ... There were 100 new first years 
> from the town and surrounding area, split into 4 forms - 1H, 1B, 1X 
> and 1S, and you stayed with that letter throughout school (1H, 2H, 
> 3H, 4H etc). - sorting. ... We all stayed at school until the end of
> the 5th year when we took our O levels (ordinary levels) (OWLS).
> You could then leave school at 16, or stay on the the lower and 
> upper 6th to complete your A levels (advanced level)(NEWTS), ...
> 
> So stop analysing - this is all normal
> I've had my say now, thank you for reading this far
> Sarah xx


Asian_lovr2:

Yes, that's all good and well, but millions of us never had that
experience. I went to a small town school in the North Central USA.
Our schools are divided into grammer = grade 1 through 6, Junior or
middle school = grade 7 throught 8 and sometimes 9, and high school =
grades 9 through 12. The last four years are referred to as Freshman,
Sophmore, Junior, and Senior years. 

My knowledge of the British school model comes from movies, and these
are movies that most younger people today would not be inclined to
watch since no one gets shot, cars don't drive fast, and nothing blows up.

In the USA, unless you are from the VERY rich part of society, you
would be considered a very poor parent in the US, if you shipped your
kids off to boarding school. How could you possibly love your kids, if
you sent them away for nine months out of the year, and in all
likelihood shipped them off to camp in the summer? 

To lower, middle, and lower-upper class people in the US, you would be
a disgraceful parent for doing that. For the most part, boarding
schools are for extremely rich kids who can't lower themselve to
associate with us rif-raf, and for kids who have been kicked out of so
many public/govermnent schools, that the last resort is to ship them
off to boarding school and hope the structured environment help
straighten them out. In a sense, sending your kids to a fancy prison
before the government is forced to sent them to a real prison. So, you
see, your view of Hogwarts is vastly different from a majority of the
readers.

Personally, I found Shaun's post fastinating, and responded to him
both off-line and on. And when Shaun posted in groups where people
take a deep intellectual interest in things, he received many positive
responses.

So, why do I and other people care? For one thing, a deeper
understanding of the books. The school model is completely foreign to
me and I can't imagine why you people lump unsuspecting 11 year-olds
in with Senior students, and I wouldn't know a Prefect from a hall
monitor. 

For another, a deeper and greater base of general knowledge. I
remember, among other things, discussing the technology of sword
making and it's accuracy in the books. In addition to discovering that
someone in the main group at that time actually had a fair collection
of swords.  Also, mediaeval costumes to determine what wizard robe
might actually look like. Is that critical? No. But on the positive
side I have expanded my general knowledge in deep conversations with
very interesting people.

But still, what good is all that useless information? My favorite
activity relative to the books is to engage in what I call 'Logical
Extention of the Wizard World'. True, we could be content to accept
what we do see, but I have an intense curiousity about what I don't
see. How does business and commerce work in the wizard world? Do
wizards raise all their own vegetables, or do they import from them
muggle world? Where does Mr. Fortescue get all the ingredients for his
ice cream? To what extent is the ice cream enchanted? To what extent
are the ice cream flavors so unique and unusual that it must be kept
away from muggles? How do wizards ship all the goods that they import?
Does Gringotts Bank invest the money it holds in it's vaults? Does it
invest everybodies money, or do you have to put your money in a
special account to get interest on it? Do the Goblins have extended
investment opportunities similar to Stock, bonds, or mutual funds? Are
there food and drink concessions at the Quidditch games? What do the
sell? Popcorn? Peanuts? Nachos? Do wizards even eat popcorn? For that
matter, do the British eat a lot of popcorn? Are there magical
construction companies, if you wanted to build a nice house, would you
hire muggles, or could you look in the Wizard's Yellow Pages under
'Home Construction'? How to people travel? What are the rules
regulating Portkeys? How far can you apparate? Does the Floo Network
extend to other European countries? Can you Floo from London to Rome?
Is there an inherent limit to the range of the Floo Network? Can the
Knight Bus travel over water? We know it can't stop on water orunder
water, but can you take the Knight Bus to Munich or Athens? Are there
muggle neighborhoods in London that have been gradually taken over by
wizards the way muggle minorities sometimes transform neighborhoods?
If there are muggle-made-wizard neighborhoods, are there also wizard
tea shop (etc...) in those neighborhoods, and can muggle get in? Are
there small wizarding enclaves in other major cities? Are their
uniquely wizarding ocean beaches hidden from muggle view? 

Why would people want to extend the wizard world, one good reason is
Fan Fiction. If I am going to write a story about the wizard world, it
would be nice if it didn't contain any gross violation of a logical
extention of that wizard world. For example, I don't think you can
Floo to South America, and I would have trouble believing any story
the said you could unless the author gave sufficient justification for
it. 

By the way, JKR has said there is a limit to how far you can Apparate,
but gave no details. She simply said that farther the distance the
more difficult it becomes. So can you Apparate to the United States in
one jump, or do you have to go London to Scotland to Iceland to
Greenland to Canada to the United States, and how exhausted would you
be when you got there. As long as we are on the subject of the USA, to
what extent are the wizards and wizard school here? What are their
likely locations? 

Why would anyone want to extend the wizard world in this way? Another
good reason is that by looking beyond the surface, you gain a better
understanding of the surface. 

In addition to all of the above, it is a fanstinating insight into a
world, your world, that I might otherwise never get to see.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Steve/Asian_lovr2






From AngieJ at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 00:22:21 2004
From: AngieJ at gmail.com (Angie Jerbasi)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:22:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] From the beginning......
In-Reply-To: <cdhd3e+sthm@eGroups.com>
References: <cdhd3e+sthm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <318573a5040719172273410da5@mail.gmail.com>

Marita wrote:
>I would dearly love to get involved in a discussion group that
>starts waaaayyyyy back with the first book and moves forward >to
Phoenix.  (Maybe by then, HBP will be out!!)Any takers?  Is >there a
group or site or thread already doing this?

Angie replies:
First of all, welcome to the group/madness that is Harry Potter!
I belong to another yahoo group that just recently started going back
through the first four books.  The group started after OotP came out
and is still going strong.  There are a lot of great minds at work
over there.  When we got done the chapter by chapter discussion of
OotP we started with SS and are a little over halfway through
it(Chapter 14 to be exact).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orderofthephoenixreview/  

Feel free to check it out! I hope that helps!

-Angie




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Jul 20 02:30:12 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:30:12 -0400
Subject: Stalagmite vs stalactite?
Message-ID: <025601c46e01$7c04ab80$1502a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

            Discussion moved from main list:

            From:  "ladyramkin2000" <ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk> 
            Date:  Mon Jul 19, 2004  5:46 pm 
            Subject:  Re: Stalagmite vs stalactite?

           
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            An easy way to remember the difference is to think:
            Up go the mites and down go the tights.

            Sylvia (who agrees it is just a little bit of whimsy, with no special
            significance)


            *************
           
      From:  "Janet Anderson" <norek_archives2 at hotmail.com> 
      Date:  Mon Jul 19, 2004  7:49 pm 
      Subject:  RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Stalagmites & stalagtites?

     
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      "Matt" <hpfanmatt at gmx.net> said:

      >Janet Anderson points out that the usual mnemonic (in English) turns
      >on the 6th letter -- "stala(g)mite" <==> ground; "stala(c)tite" <==>
      >ceiling.

      That was mrslestrange, not me:

      "mrslestrange" <elizabethleclerc at hotmail.com> observed:

      >By the way, I learned the trick:
      >stalaGmites come out of the Ground
      >stalaCtites come out of the Ceiling

      What I said was: "A stalactite sticks tight to the ceiling." It isn't the
      letter C that's the mnemonic in this case, but the matching sounds of
      stalac*tite* and *tight.*


      Janet Anderson

     


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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jul 20 09:27:56 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:27:56 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Wizarding Education/British School
In-Reply-To: <cdh6um+5f8o@eGroups.com>
References: <40FA5B6E.17835.946621@localhost>
Message-ID: <40FD723C.20783.1E79647@localhost>

On 19 Jul 2004 at 19:20, Sarah wrote:

> Being in awe of prefects who seemd so old and mature (17 compared to 
> me, 11), and the head girl who was so important she was bound to be 
> prime minister or something...
> So stop analysing - this is all normal

Except, it's not for quite a lot of the list members. That's part 
of the point.

This seems normal to you, and doesn't require any explanation 
*because* you went to a school in Britain that sounds like it 
copied it's traditions from the same sources, JKR used for 
Hogwarts. That's probably a reasonably common experience for those 
educated in Britain and much of the Commonwealth.

But for that substantial numbers of fans educated elsewhere - most 
notably in terms of numbers in the United States, their experiences 
have been quite different in many cases. Some of these people are 
familiar with the modalities and norms of British education, but 
many are not - and there's no real reason why they should be.

I have encountered people online who believe 'prefects' and 
'houses' are something that JK Rowling *invented*. They don't 
realise that she's drawing on real educational practice. Often that 
doesn't matter that much - but Hogwarts is such a significant part 
of the Harry Potter world that failing to understand what is 
'normal' about it, makes it much harder to understand what is 
different about it.

Some fans can't understand why senior pupils are placed in charge 
of other children. Some fans can't understand why Snape is 
tolerated as a teacher. Some fans can't understand how things like 
horsewhippings of students could even be contemplated. I've seen 
people post who found it outrageous that a teacher dared to 
confiscate Harry's broom - because in the education system they 
grew up with, and they are familiar with, the idea *is* outrageous.

To them, their experiences of education are the 'normal' ones. And 
even though they may well realise that education differs around the 
world, it's still pretty hard to find out exactly *how* it differs 
and where it comes from.

Some people have found the essay I wrote useful for that purpose. 
Because it gives them an insight into a culture they have a limited 
knowledge of.

If people already have that level of knowledge or more, it's not 
going to be much use to them.

As for the idea of not analysing things in the books - I suppose, 
my question is what is the point of having these forums if we don't 
analse the books. There's only so many times you can meaningfully 
ssy "Ohmigod, Harry is SO cute!"

Frankly, IMHO, it's a tribute to JKR that people *want* to analyse 
her books so much.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From aboutthe1910s at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 16:02:56 2004
From: aboutthe1910s at yahoo.com (aboutthe1910s)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:02:56 -0000
Subject: The First FAQ Poll on JKRowling.com
Message-ID: <cdjfng+b5qa@eGroups.com>

Does anyone remember what the non-answered questions from the first
FAQ poll were?  I can't find them, and I didn't notice it the first
time around and thus only know about the Mark Evans question...

aboutthe1910s





From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 17:31:48 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:31:48 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <20040719132301.26054.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdjku4+7jej@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Amanda Geist <editor at t...> wrote:
> Is this Texan or Southern (or Western): coyote ugly (said of a 
woman)?
> 
> ~Amanda
> 
> 
> 
> The first time I heard that one was when I moved to Galveston 
(outside of Houston) for a few years.  Not southern.  I am guessing 
Texas but could be just Western.  They also had a very unique for 
any carbonated beverage (coke, pepsi, etc) and that is "soda water".
> 
> moonmyyst (who cannot help wondering what people from other 
countries think about this thread)
> 
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign!
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am Arkansan born and bread.  However, having lived in Scotland as 
a child, my accent got messed up.  Even though it is been almost 30 
years (I'm 37), I still use some British terminology and spell 
things the British way.  (This really messed me up in school!)  My 
cousins would tease me by saying, "You're not from here" or "You 
were raised wrong."  I never say "Y'all" but I do say "You guys" 
which really makes me stand out like a sore thumb.  I tease my mom 
about adding syllables to words, especially when I hear my 3-year-
old saying something like "Mee-yulk" instead of "milk."  

But yesterday put the icing on the cake.  My mom (who is 70 
Arkansan) said something yesterday I have never heard and hope 
someone can help me understand this.  She was talking about someone 
a friend of her's knew, and she said, "Of course, I wouldn't know 
her from Adam's off ox."  Now, tell me, who is Adam and what in the 
world is an off ox???

Julie -- who is a shrink and still has a hard time understanding my 
mother!




From shymetaphor at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 19:03:38 2004
From: shymetaphor at yahoo.com (Laura)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:03:38 -0000
Subject: JKR website
Message-ID: <cdjqaa+ffor@eGroups.com>

Can anyone explain to me where this poll is?  I've gone to 
jkrowling.com and don't see it...  Maybe I'm a duffer.  :)  After all 
I didn't see this door and the bricks that were supposedly there last 
time...  

I have run into the door that is there now--with the "Do not enter" 
sign, but can't for the life of me figure out how to do anything but 
wiggle the handle and turn the light on and off...





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 19:30:08 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:30:08 -0000
Subject: Iggy, the hired Elf
In-Reply-To: <cd8i18+mqqb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdjrs0+m0k1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Carol wanted to know, does Iggy
> 
> > wear a tea towel
> > under the vest and shoes with the socks? And what is his idea of 
> fun?
> 
> Now, now, keep it clean.  Some of us were having a nice innocent 
> conversation about late-growing pe****s and channeling the spirits 
> of dead hobbits.
> 
> David

Carol responds, blushing:
That's not what I had in mind at all. I just wondered whether he wore
a tea towel or blue jeans with the vest. My sincere apologies to Iggy
if he thought I meant anything else!

Carol, who is old-fashioned enough to believe in good clean fun and
would never ask a personal question on- or offline 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 19:52:20 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:52:20 -0000
Subject: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <20040716145649.95896.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdjt5k+jvjg@eGroups.com>

I (Carol) wrote:
A Muggle (okay, Muggleborn, if you insist) in Slytherin, home of
pureblood pride? And a late-bloomer, entering Hogwarts at sixteen?
He'd get the bullying of his life--and well-deserved, too! <snip>
  
Carol, who notes that JKR has stated in an interview that there
*might* be hope for Dudley's redemption, but who is quite sure it
won't come through the revelation of his magical powers!


Marita Jan responded:
I'm really having a hard time with this concept, and I guess I missed
it's origination.  
> 
> I've just started reading (I think this makes the 4th go 'round) the
books again, and as I've been going through SS again, I've been
looking for specific clues that might point toward this happening in
book 6 or 7. 
> I just don't see it.  With all the mention of things that just
"happen" around Harry before he got his letter, there's no mention of
anything remotely similar occurring to Dudders.  And if there's anyone
who would find a self-serving use for any sort of magical powers, it
would be him.
> 
> So....fill me in.  Where does this theory come from and why?

Carol replies:
Actually, I can't tell you where the theory comes from because I
happen to agree with you that Dudley is a Muggle and nothing but a
Muggle. I was just going along with the thread and pointing out that,
in the unlikely case that Dudley developed magical powers at age
sixteen and was allowed to enter Hogwarts at that age (as a first-year
because he'd have no magical training whatever!), he probably wouldn't
be sorted into Slytherin. The teasing he'd receive for being five
years older than everyone in his class would be compounded by teasing
and hexing for being a Muggleborn, making his life entirely miserable.

*But* richly as he might deserve such a fate, I agree with you that
there's no evidence whatever that Dudley has magical powers. I, for
one, believe JKR's repeated assertions (in every book and in at least
one interview) that *all* of the Dursleys are Muggles. That's what I
meant by my postscript: if he's redeemed, it won't be through magical
powers.

Sorry if my intention was unclear.

Carol, who firmly believes that the person who will develop magical
powers "late in life" is the elderly Squib, Mrs. Figg




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 20:02:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:02:48 -0000
Subject: Iggy, the hired Elf
In-Reply-To: <004401c46b45$5125be40$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <cdjtp8+5dij@eGroups.com>

Carol asked:
Does Iggy wear a tea cozy (or "cosy," I guess, in the British
editions)? Also, if he'll forgive my asking, does he wear a tea towel
under the vest and shoes with the socks? And what is his idea of fun?

Carol, who thanks Iggy for the laugh and hopes he will tell her what a
tea cozy is
 
Iggy responded:
 
> Well, to answer the last question there, Miss, a tea cosy is a
quilted cover shaped much like a hood that Elvses put over a tea pot
to keep the tea inside for their employers, and that the Wizardses and
Witch ladies uses to keep their tea pots warm.
> 
Iggy does not wear a tea cosy, since that would look silly in Iggy's
> opinion.  He does, though, wear he uniform of a tea towel draped
over hisself under the other clothes Iggy wears.  Hats and tea cosies
are not something Iggy enjoys since they hold his ears in too tight
and pinch them even when they don't need pinching.  Iggy is happy
enough, and warm enough, with his vests and socks, Miss, and only
occasionally wears an old scarf or two when he must go out into the
snow for some reason.
> 
> For what Iggy does for fun, Miss, after he has made his new vests
and socks, Iggy likes to read (the Great Professor Flitwick lends Iggy
books from his own collection or gets them from the library for him)
and is being taught Wizard's Chess by a boy named Nicholas who is new
to Ravenclaw.  Iggy also enjoys visiting Haggrid to learn about other
magical creatures, and occasionally is asked by one of the
Professorses to run an errand down to Hogsmeade. (The Great Flitwick
likes many things from Honeydukes, as does the Powerful Professor
Dumbledore, so Iggy is allowed to sometimes go there before the store
opens and buy stuff for them, and even is given a sweet from the kind
Honeyduke's themselves, generous humans they is.  He is even
> allowed to buy some sweets for himself if Iggy has money left from
buying vests and socks.)
> 
> Iggy Elf
> (aka: Iggy McSnurd)

Thank you for taking time off from your duties to answer my questions,
Iggy Elf, but you forgot to tell me whether you wear shoes over your
socks. It seems to me that the socks would get rather wet or muddy on
trips to Hogsmeade without them. If so, what kind of shoes do you
wear? And do the house-elves who aren't free go barefoot?

Carol, sending Iggy Elf a virtual lemon drop for his amusing answers
to her nosy questions




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 20:32:12 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:32:12 -0000
Subject: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <20040717013342.33441.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdjvgc+5e9u@eGroups.com>

Phil wrote:
In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached them: Dudley was
curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his face; ...edited...
 
Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his face if he
couldn't see them?

Muggles can't see dementors.
Phil

Steve (Asian_lovr2) replied:
 
Simple, Harry told Dudley to cover his mouth.

"DUDLEY, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! WHATEVER YOU DO, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! 
<snip>

moonmyyst objected: 
Since when has Dudley ever done anything, anything at all that Harry
said to do?  Especially if Dudley thought Harry was attacking him. 
Unless he saw the Dementors. I just find it very hard to believe that
if Dudley did not see them, then he would be thinking that it was
Harry doing the attacking, so why would he do what Harry told him to
do and help in the attack.

Carol responds:
But Harry also says, "DUDLEY, COME BACK! YOU'RE RUNNING RIGHT AT IT!"
(OoP Am. ed. 17). He wouldn't have to say that if Dudley could see
them. (Also, Dudley covered his bottom when he remembered the pig's
tail. Now he's covering his mouth, the part that's vulnerable now.
Surely he can tell from Harry's voice that he's deadly serious and he
does the only thing he can to defend himself.)

As I've said in other posts, JKR has repeatedly told us that Dudley is
a Muggle and there's no reason to doubt it now.

Carol, who agrees with Steve on this one




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 20 20:20:16 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:20:16 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR website
References: <cdjqaa+ffor@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c46e96$f8a8d360$bcde6251@kathryn>



> Can anyone explain to me where this poll is?  I've gone to
> jkrowling.com and don't see it...  Maybe I'm a duffer.  :)  After all
> I didn't see this door and the bricks that were supposedly there last
> time...
>
> I have run into the door that is there now--with the "Do not enter"
> sign, but can't for the life of me figure out how to do anything but
> wiggle the handle and turn the light on and off...
>
>
>
There's nothing you can do about the door. It only opens when the sign is
off - it was off for about five days last time before it cam back and the
door became unopenable again.

As for the poll - go to the FAQ (click on the paperclips to get there), pick
the envelope entitled 'About the Books', the screen that opens has several
tabs down the left hand side - one of them takes you to the poll.

K




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 21:07:11 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:07:11 -0000
Subject: POV in the HP books (Was: Which Series Has the Most Characters?)
In-Reply-To: <cdaamo+qc08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdk1hv+h3mc@eGroups.com>

> Neri originally mused:
> I can't think of any other literature work with so many characters
> that is described from the POV of a single character.
> 
> Neri later clarified:
> To clarify, what I asked is this:
> Out of all literature works that ARE written from the POV of a single
> character, is there one that has more characters than HP?
>
Carol <snipping the long list of responses that IMHO confuse the point
of the post>:
As I indicated on the main list, there's an important distinction
between a book with a first-person narrator (e.g. David Copperfield or
Jane Eyre) and a book (or series of books) with a third-person,
limited omnisicient narrator, like the HP books. JKR's limited
omniscient narrator can and does on occasion shift away from Harry's POV.

If anyone is interested in the distinction, which IMO is important,
see my rather detailed post on the main list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/106967

I realize that I'm not addressing the number of characters in HP here,
but I  think we should understand that the POV in the HP books is not
always Harry's--and that the narrator is more reliable on those rare
occasions when he or she steps outside Harry's perspective. (See the
Little Hangleton material in GoF chapter 1 as an example.)

Carol




From AngieJ at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 21:11:59 2004
From: AngieJ at gmail.com (Angie Jerbasi)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:11:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The First FAQ Poll on JKRowling.com
In-Reply-To: <cdjfng+b5qa@eGroups.com>
References: <cdjfng+b5qa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <318573a5040720141135e07ce6@mail.gmail.com>

aboutthe1910s wrote:

Does anyone remember what the non-answered questions from the first
FAQ poll were?  I can't find them, and I didn't notice it the first
time around and thus only know about the Mark Evans question...


Angie replies:

I believe one of the questions was whether or not Sirius was really
dead or not.  I can't for the life of me remember the other one
though.

-Angie



From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 21:51:37 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:51:37 -0000
Subject: Scholastic's heretical pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <cdbm63+lttj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdk459+a08d@eGroups.com>

David wrote:
> If they can't see that, if a galleon is a big valuable ship that 
> used to carry gold, and a sickle is a middle-sized blade that shines 
> brightly like silver, then a knut might well be a small brown object 
> coloured like bronze, they are probably not worth listening to.
> 
> Remember, these are the people who told JKR she'd got the wand order 
> wrong when she hadn't, and plunged the fandom into endless confusion.
> 
> Seriously, it's up to us all how we think these words should be 
> pronounced: JKR has no authority once they have escaped into the 
> wild, and Scholastic certainly haven't.
> 
> David, not suffering fools gladly today

Carol responds:
I was wondering what anyone else thinks of Scholastic's pronunciation
of "Accio" as "AH seo." Surely if it's derived from Latin, it must be
pronounced "AH keo"? The Romans used the letter "S" for the "s" (soft
"c") sound and used "C" for the "k" (hard "c") sound. (The letter "K",
which was superfluous, dropped out of use in Latin but was revived by
the English after the Norman Conquest for use in English words of
Saxon origin.)

Is the "Ah seo" pronunciation JKR's? If not, does anyone know where
Scholastic got the idea that it's pronounced that way? And how is it
pronounced in the British and American audiotapes?

Carol, who is not quite as adamant as David about Scholastic (and JKR)
having no authority to dictate pronunciation but still thinks that "AH
seo" is an egregious error






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 22:12:00 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
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Message-ID: <20040720221200.877.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>



fanofminerva <drjuliehoward at yahoo.com> wrote:

But yesterday put the icing on the cake.  My mom (who is 70 Arkansan) said something yesterday I have never heard and hope someone can help me understand this.  She was talking about someone a friend of her's knew, and she said, "Of course, I wouldn't know her from Adam's off ox."  Now, tell me, who is Adam and what in the world is an off ox???

Julie -- who is a shrink and still has a hard time understanding my 
mother!



I have never heard of "Adam's off ox" but have heard and use "Adam's house cat".  It basically means that you would not know the person from any other face in a crowd.  I never heard who Adam is but ever since I was a very little girl I always pictured Adam as Adam and Eve.

moonmyyst (who's oldest son had a t-shirt that says "Why do I get the feeling that I will be explaining you to my therapist one day?")


		
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 22:13:59 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:13:59 -0000
Subject: Bothered by JKR likening Harry's trials to the caged disabled Czech kids
In-Reply-To: <cdbsed+lqtk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdk5f7+k2o0@eGroups.com>

Dumbledad wrote:
 
I agree, I wasn't questioning her logic, more her taste. No that's 
the wrong word. Her grip on reality. No that's wrong too. There's 
just something that makes me very uneasy about comparing 
real-world suffering to a character in a kids' book as a way of 
illustrating just how bad the real suffering must be.
> > 
Pippin replied: 
Hmmm. I don't think that's what she was trying to do. It wouldn't 
be like JKR to trivialize anyone's suffering. I think she was trying 
to harness some of the indignation that people express on 
Harry's behalf--look how many main list posts have there been 
expressing outrage that the Dursleys and Snape treat Harry so 
badly. JKR must get ten times that in her mailbag every day.
 
Wouldn't it be nice to expend some of that energy on behalf of 
some real children who need help?
 
Pippin
going to find out what she can do

Carol responds:
My own thought was that JKR was trying to use her influence as a
well-known author to get people to help but that she slightly mistook
her audience: Children might respond to the idea that the Czech
children are even worse off than Harry (much worse off, actually), but
adults--those who are actually capable of helping the Caech
children--wouldn't need the comparison. OTOH, I can easily imagine
Charles Dickens writing in the nineteenth century, "Conditions there
are even worse than at Dotheboys Hall." He would quite naturally
expect the majority of Englishmen and -women of his time to know
exactly what he was talking about and to respond with compassion (and
perhaps with money or other form of tangible aid).

I noticed the comparison when I read her message and was slightly
disturbed by it, but not nearly so much as by the plight of those
children, which makes our debates over whether Snape's sarcasm
qualifies as "abuse" seem pointless and trivial. Real abuse, as she
indicates, is worse than anything she, or we, can imagine without
having suffered it ourselves.

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 22:44:27 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:44:27 -0000
Subject: Wizarding Education (number of students at Hogwarts followed by long digress
In-Reply-To: <cdc1ue+4sqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdk78b+ps18@eGroups.com>

catlady wrote:
> I believe that EVERY child in Britain and Ireland with ANY wizarding
> power is invited to attend a school of magic. (There may be other
> countries in which Muggle-born students are not invited, no matter 
> how powerful.) If all the students go to Hogwarts as JKR said, then
> Hogwarts has 1000 students as JKR said, that would be all the
> wizarding children, based on many previous threads about the size of
> wizarding population. 
> 
> I believe that Hogwarts has several campus, the Castle that we see 
> in canon is the main campus, has approx 280 students as shown in   
> canon, and the children of less aptitude (and/or less family       
> connections) are sent to other campus. Some listees believe that   
> Hogwarts has only one campus, 280 students as depicted, and is the 
> only School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, but all the lesser students
> are sent to a School of Magic instead. <snip>

Carol responds:
Not to be obtuse, but I believe JKR's statements that Hogwarts is the
only school for magical children in the UK and that the names of all
the magical children in the UK are recorded at birth by the magical
quill, which not everyone in the WW knows about. Neville's name, like
Harry's, must have been in the book where the names are recorded from
his birth, but Gran and the family didn't know it or weren't sure.

I agree that Hogwarts has 280 students as indicated by evidence in the
first three books, and I think that the 1,000 students in the
interview was just an off-the-top-of-her-head error by an author we
know is not good at math.

Catlady wrote:
> For some jobs, such as conductor on the Knight Bus and dishwasher at
> the Leaky Cauldron, I bet the kid just out of Hogwarts has already
> learned everything he/she needs. For some other jobs, the kid just 
> out of Hogwarts would have to get hired into a trainee position    
> (which I imagine is the kind of job that Percy had with Mr Crouch),
> and I believe that there are other jobs for which a kid just out of
> Hogwarts would have to go through an apprenticeship before being   
> able to get an entry-level (journeyman) job. 

Carol responds:
I think it's more likely that neither Ernie Prang nor Stan Shunpike
finished school at Hogwarts. Probably they received zero O.W.L.S.
apiece and dropped out after their fifth year and consequently would
not even be considered for a "trainee position" like Percy's (a
junior-level position with chances for promotion to a higher level).
His twelve O.W.L.S. and (IIRC) five N.E.W.T.S. would be the equivalent
of graduating summa cum laude from a university or college in the RW,
a prerequisite or at least a real bonus for a very young man seeking
that type of employment. Stan can work his way up from conductor to
bus driver without even learning to use a steering wheel. Percy, in
other circumstances, might have worked his way up to Minister of Magic
in fifteen or twenty years through additional training and experience
as you said, but IMO he'd never have been hired in the first place
without high marks and excellent exam scores in both fifth and seventh
year. 

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 23:11:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:11:48 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <40FA5159.7165.6D03B4@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdk8rk+m8lc@eGroups.com>

Shaun wrote: <snipped>
> I confess to being just slightly annoyed with HPFGU at the moment - 
> I sent a very large post, which I put a lot of research into, to 
> the main list last week, and received virtually no comments about 
> it at all. No reason I should I suppose... it's just very 
> disappointing - especially when I see that far less detailed posts 
> on the same types of issues spark a lot of discussion.
> 
> Maybe I should have posted it here (-8.

Carol responds:
I think almost everyone, even those who dutifully spend every evening
posting to the list, are overwhelmed by the number of posts on the
main list right now. I, for one, have had to skip whole days' worth of
posts and still am nowhere near caught up, even skipping SHIPs and
FILKs. I have to be very selective about the posts I respond to as
well. When I do post, I generally put a lot of effort into it (as you
do, too) and even when I don't need to check canon, it's a very
time-consuming process.

As for why I didn't respond to your long post, it's because (as I
noted in my response to Catlady), I have a much simpler view of the
selection process, and I've encountered too many instances of JKR's
difficulty with math to expect her to keep the numbers consistent.

My solution: Do what the people in Orwell's "1984" were expected to
do--keep two contradictory ideas in my head at the same time. So
Hogwarts has 280 students (an equal number for each house) when JKR
wants it to and approximately 1,000 students when that's more convenient.

Same thing with the ages of Bill and Charlie Weasley. They're four and 
two years older than Percy respectively even though those numbers
can't be reconciled with Gryffindor not having won the Quidditch Cup
for seven years in SS/PS.

I'm pretty sure that JKR has spent considerably more time thinking
about the characters and the basic plot than about details like the
selection process at Hogwarts.

So it's not that I don't appreciate the time and thought that went
into your long post. I just put my own time and thought into other
topics--like the POV in the books or analysis of events and
characters. I think that many posters are in a similar position at the
moment.

Carol

P.S. When no one answers one of my posts, which happens fairly often,
I console myself with the thought that I've presented an unanswerable
argument, the last word on the subject, and no one has anything to
add. (It isn't true, of course, but the ban on "I agree" posts at
least makes it plausible.) ;-)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 23:36:21 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:36:21 -0000
Subject: Clarification On Terminology
In-Reply-To: <cdcisq+f37a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdka9l+ornn@eGroups.com>

Catlady wrote:
> Here are my gueses about the terminology of Potterverse magic:
> 
> I think the word 'spell' is a general term which includes charms,
> transfiguration spells, curses, maybe even potions. "Charm" has been
> defined as a spell which changes the behavior of an object, while
> "Transfiguration" is a spell that turns it into something else, but I
> don't understandy why causing metal keys to grow feathery wings is
> considered a change of *behavior* and making chessmen giant is
> considered changing them into something else. There is probably
> something technical that Muggles can't understand, some magical analog
> of "Charms require you to feel a strong emotion while Transfiguration
> require you to solve an equation."
> 
> I think "curse" is a general word for a harmful spell. Some of them
> are probably classifiable as Charms -- Cheering Charm and Leg-Locker
> Curse both change the recipient's behavior. I don't know if there is a
> distinction between Jinx and Hex or just whichever sounds better in
> the name of the curse.

Carol responds:
I agree that "spell" is a general term that includes charms,
transfiguration spells, defensive spells, and curses. I think hexes
and jinxes are minor curses placed on people and things, respectively.
I don't think that potions, though they *are* a form of magic (and a
Muggle, even with the proper ingredients, couldn't make one), are a
kind of spell. Possibly potions create similar effects but in a more
permanent form than spells, which is why they require an antidote
rather than a countercurse to reverse them (although some potions,
like polyjuice and veritaserum, do seem to wear off).

Apparently, however, some potions, like the one used by Wormtail to
restore Voldemort's body, must be accompanied by *incantations,* which
differ from spells in being more than one or two words. Even the
little "spell" that Ron attempted in SS/PS to turn Scabbers yellow
would have technically an incantation (though apparently not a "real"
one). Examples of incantations outside the HP books are the familiar
"Double, double, toil and trouble/Fire burn and cauldron bubble. . ."
from "Macbeth" and the evil, chilling words recited by the Barrow
Wight in "Fellowhip of the Ring": "Frodo perceived with horror that
the poem had turned into an incantation" (quoted from memory). In the
WW, potions combined with spells or incantations would probably
produce the most powerful magic (aside from Avada Kedavra), but I'm
only guessing based on the graveyard scene.

Carol




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jul 20 23:35:26 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:35:26 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdk8rk+m8lc@eGroups.com>
References: <40FA5159.7165.6D03B4@localhost>
Message-ID: <40FE38DE.17863.2D64D0@localhost>

On 20 Jul 2004 at 23:11, justcarol67 wrote:

> As for why I didn't respond to your long post, it's because (as I
> noted in my response to Catlady), I have a much simpler view of the
> selection process, and I've encountered too many instances of JKR's
> difficulty with math to expect her to keep the numbers consistent.

Actually, that's *not* the post I was referring to. (-8

I'm not surprised that one didn't attract that much comment - 
although it did some - as it was mostly written for my own benefit, 
to think through some ideas - I tend to think better when I use 
numbers.

The post I'm referring to was a very large, heavily referenced 
essay looking at Hogwarts in the context of the British Public 
Schools.

I think part of the problem is how large the list is getting - not 
that I have a solution to that problem - but because probably 
everybody is having to skim messages, a huge amount that people are 
writing probably isn't even being read by most of the list.
 
I don't have any type of solution to that problem - but if I'd 
posted that message a year ago, I'm almost certain I'd have had a 
lot more comment - back when the list had about 5000 members, it 
seemed to me that most things got read. Now it doesn't.

> 
> My solution: Do what the people in Orwell's "1984" were expected to
> do--keep two contradictory ideas in my head at the same time. So
> Hogwarts has 280 students (an equal number for each house) when JKR
> wants it to and approximately 1,000 students when that's more convenient.
> 
> Same thing with the ages of Bill and Charlie Weasley. They're four and 
> two years older than Percy respectively even though those numbers
> can't be reconciled with Gryffindor not having won the Quidditch Cup
> for seven years in SS/PS.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that JKR has spent considerably more time thinking
> about the characters and the basic plot than about details like the
> selection process at Hogwarts.
> 
> So it's not that I don't appreciate the time and thought that went
> into your long post. I just put my own time and thought into other
> topics--like the POV in the books or analysis of events and
> characters. I think that many posters are in a similar position at the
> moment.

Yes, but I suppose my point is best illustrated by the fact that it 
seems likely you didn't even notice my large post, because you're 
commenting here about an entirely different post.

The post I'm referring to was the largest post sent to HPFGU since 
September last year (as far back as my current HPFGU mailbox goes. 
It represents approximately a month of fairly solid research, and 
was heavily referenced.

And it looks like you didn't even notice it existed (-8

Now, that's hardly your fault - if anything is causing that, it's 
the volume of the list caused by the lists success.

But, to be frank, if I write anything similar again, it's unlikely 
I'll bother to post it to HPFGU because it seems to be a waste of 
time. When I joined HPFGU, it wouldn't have been. I'd have been 
fairly confident it was being read - even if nobody commented. 

I'm not saying HPFGU isn't working - because it is, I've got a 
great deal out of other discussions - but when I joined HPFGU, it 
seemed to be a place where detailed, in depth discussions, and 
detailed posts were pretty welcomed. It just doesn't seem that way 
to me anymore.

Short posts tend to get read. Long posts now get ignored.

Being concise is fine when you're dealing with simple issues, or 
when you don't mind spreading out a detailed discussion across lots 
of posts, but sometimes you can't say something in a short way.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 23:54:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:54:48 -0000
Subject: JKR and Hufflepuff (was: Wizarding Education)
In-Reply-To: <20040718020548.42237.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdkbc8+feh9@eGroups.com>

Catlady noted in response to Dave's request for evidence that JKR has
a low opinion of Gryffindor:

> > GoF: << It was plain that the Hufflepuffs felt that
> Harry had  stolen their champion's glory; a feeling
> exacerbated, perhaps, by the fact that **Hufflepuff house very
> rarely got any glory**, and that Cedric was one of **the few
> who had ever given them any**, having beaten Gryffindor once
> at Quidditch. >> (Emphasis added.)
> 
Suaznne responded:
> Sorry, but I don't see how this quote in any way
> supports the theory that Rowling has a low opinion of Hufflepuff. 



Carol adds:
I think that the Sorting Hat's assertion in OoP that Helga Hufflepuff
took "the rest" and taught them all she knew has led to the assumption
by some posters that Hufflepuff House is a sort of dumping ground.
That, to me, is confusing the House with its founder (who also valued
hard work and loyalty, qualities that the Sorting Hat uses to place
students in that house). A similar assumption has been made that
because Salazar Slytherin chose only purebloods as his students, pure
blood must be a requirement for placement in Slytherin House (whereas
the Sorting Hat seems to use cunning and ambition as the criteria for
being sorted into Slytherin, with purebloods brought up on Slytherin
principles as the most likely students to end up there--but so did the
half-blood Tom Riddle).

While JKR definitely favors Gryffindor and places all her favorite
characters in it, I don't think she has a low opinion of Hufflepuff.
Consider that Cedric Diggory--"brave, kind, and good"--came from that
house. In fact, in terms of virtues, abilities, and looks, Cedric is
the closest we've seen to an ideal student--a handsome athlete who
values sportsmanship and courtesy, a prefect who (IIRC) makes good
marks, a gentleman--really, there's nothing bad to say about him. He
could have been placed in any house except possibly Slytherin and done
it honor, but JKR placed him in Hufflepuff. Also, loyalty and hard
work are admirable qualities, but they don't often lead to glory.

Carol, who hopes that Ernie Macmillan (a Hufflepuff) will become Head
Boy in Book 7, since neither Harry nor Ron has the marks to justify
giving them that honor




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 00:51:20 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:51:20 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts in the Context of the British Public School
In-Reply-To: <40FAA064.1346.792495@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdkem8+7192@eGroups.com>

Shaun Hately wrote:
<snip>
> The main thing that inspired the post if anything were the recent 
> discussion on Snape's teaching style. I gave my views based on my 
> experiences during that thread, and it was clear that other people 
> were doing precisely the same - and it became very clear that a 
> number of fans were, in my opinion, falling into the trap of 
> comparing Hogwarts to a modern school founded on modern educational 
> beliefs - and in some cases, specifically American modern 
> educational beliefs. People were not considering that Hogwarts is 
> not part of modern culture - and certainly isn't a part of modern 
> American culture. To me, one of the most attractive things about 
> the Harry Potter books is they draw on a specific cultural 
> heritage. So I was seeking to draw out the points of that cultural 
> heritage. <snip>

Carol responds:
I've noted the same problem, a number of (mostly youngish?) posters
assuming that their assumptions about education are the only valid
assumptions. Without getting into my own views on the subject, which
no doubt would be attacked by younger posters indoctrinated in
postmodernism, I think it might be a really good idea to present your
ideas in simplified form, minus footnotes and academic language, on
the main list. Long posts, as I know from my own experience, deter
many readers, particularly the one who would benefit most from such
information. I've argued repeatedly that the WW's standards are not
those of the modern world and have been repeatedly resisted by those
who see Dumbledore's policies as "wrong" and Snape's teaching methods
as "abusive." (If they knew the disciplinary practices at Eton in the
early nineteenth century, they might have a clearer idea of what abuse
really is.)

Your previous post, IIRC, was based on your experiences in an
Australian boarding school. I think that a historical perspective is
better for this particular purpose.

Carol, who hopes you'll follow up on this idea and not be discouraged
by the lack of response to the more scholarly post

P.S. I looked up "meta-analysis" in my 1988 "Glossary of Literary
Terms" and it wasn't there. I can't find a more recent glossary at the
moment. Maybe the term came in with cultural criticism or
deconstructionism? Those schools of thought (neither of which appeals
to me) came in just as I was working on my dissertation, so I never
mastered their terminology.

Carol

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 01:04:18 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:04:18 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cdeevp+s85h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdkfei+vpa5@eGroups.com>

Cyndi from South Carolina wrote:
> I grew up in the south, but my parents are from NY and Canada.  I 
> speak more like they do, but there is no way to avoid environmental 
> influences.  I say ya'll all the time, and am not ashamed to admit 
> it!  <big grin>  One thing I am bothered by about "southern speak" 
> seems to come from the Charleston, SC area...saying CarolinER instead 
> of CarolinA.  Some how words that end in "a" are pronounce as if they 
> end with "er".  That is one thing I haved made every effort to avoid!

Carol responds:
Isn't "-er" for final -a originally a Briticism (Britishism)? I'm
trying to think of an example but I can't. I also remember reading
that refined Englishmen and -women in the nineteeth centruy thought
that pronouncing the final "g" in "-ing" was "vulgar." Lord Byron, for
example, rhymed "Pursuing" with "ruin." For that matter, he rhymed
"Juan" in "Don Juan" with "ruin"!

Carol, who wonders whether the British members of the list mind being
referred to as "Brits" 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 01:11:08 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:11:08 -0000
Subject: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <cdefd3+hc49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdkfrc+522d@eGroups.com>

> Griffin782002 wrote:
> This is my first post in this list. About the subject whether Dudley 
> saw the Dementors or not, did anyone else had the impression that 
> Mrs Figg although claimed she saw the Dementors, was in fast unable 
> to see them?


Carol responds:
I've seen other people make the same assumption, based mainly on her
use of "run" for "glide" and her very generalized description. But
what else could she have said other than that they were very big and
wore hooded cloaks unless she actually saw their faces and hands,
which they tened to keep hidden unless they're about to "kiss"
someone? She didn't react like Dudley--blind panic and confusion.

I see no reason why Mrs. Figg would lie. I'm betting that she saw
them. After all, she talks to cats. She's probably more magical than
she thinks. (As I said in another post, Mrs. Figg is my candidate for
the person who will do magic late in life under desperate
circumstances.) Look what she can accomplish with just a bag full of
catfood cans! :-)

Carol




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Jul 21 01:12:48 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:12:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cdjku4+7jej@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEHEDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Julie wrote:

| But yesterday put the icing on the cake.  My mom (who is 70
| Arkansan) said something yesterday I have never heard and hope
| someone can help me understand this.  She was talking about someone
| a friend of her's knew, and she said, "Of course, I wouldn't know
| her from Adam's off ox."  Now, tell me, who is Adam and what in the
| world is an off ox???

[Lee]:
I'd surmise that the use of Adam goes back to Adam-And-Eve, but that's only
a presumption.

Perhaps off ox is another way of saying "ass".

Cheers,
Lee :-)
(Who's typing slowly due to a couple of wasp stingys on my right
hand...seriously! Ouch!)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 01:16:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:16:48 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEDNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cdkg60+m9ps@eGroups.com>

Lee wrote:
> 
> Here's another one: A-M-B-U-L-A-N-C-E
> Is it Amboo-lance or Ambewlance?
> 
> When I lived in New York, around the Harlem Area the word was
pronounced the
> first way. <Grin>

Definitely "AM bew lance" (or "lunce") here in Arizona.

Carol, who is always being criticized for saying "Kew pon" instead of
"KOO pon" (learned it from my mother, so it must be, erm,a Californiaism?)





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Jul 21 01:17:49 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:17:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Scholastic's heretical pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <cdk459+a08d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEHEDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Well, the Jim Dale recordings have accio pronounced as "asseo"; my computer,
depending on the voice I have running, either says "akseeo" or "acheeo"
(with a soft CH sound.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From editor at texas.net  Wed Jul 21 01:36:37 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:36:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
References: <cdjku4+7jej@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003701c46ec3$8c3b6f80$e459aacf@texas.net>

Julie:

> But yesterday put the icing on the cake.  My mom (who is 70
> Arkansan) said something yesterday I have never heard and hope
> someone can help me understand this.  She was talking about someone
> a friend of her's knew, and she said, "Of course, I wouldn't know
> her from Adam's off ox."  Now, tell me, who is Adam and what in the
> world is an off ox???

Oxen pull in teams of two. An off ox is the ox on the off side of a team.
Similar usage of "off" in off-color and offsides. Your mom's expression is
an elaboration of "Wouldn't know him from Adam."

~Amanda, editor, which means she probably needs a shrink




From editor at texas.net  Wed Jul 21 01:42:33 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:42:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
References: <cdjku4+7jej@eGroups.com> <003701c46ec3$8c3b6f80$e459aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <004201c46ec3$fed88fa0$e459aacf@texas.net>

Julie:
> 
> > But yesterday put the icing on the cake.  My mom (who is 70
> > Arkansan) said something yesterday I have never heard and hope
> > someone can help me understand this.  She was talking about someone
> > a friend of her's knew, and she said, "Of course, I wouldn't know
> > her from Adam's off ox."  Now, tell me, who is Adam and what in the
> > world is an off ox???

I'm sorry. To answer the first question as well. Adam as in "Adam and Eve."

~Amanda




From snow15145 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 02:02:54 2004
From: snow15145 at yahoo.com (snow15145)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:02:54 -0000
Subject: The First FAQ Poll on JKRowling.com
In-Reply-To: <cdjfng+b5qa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdkise+s9dd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "aboutthe1910s" 
<aboutthe1910s at y...> wrote:
> Does anyone remember what the non-answered questions from the first
> FAQ poll were?  I can't find them, and I didn't notice it the first
> time around and thus only know about the Mark Evans question...
> 
> aboutthe1910s

Snow:

I can't remember word for word but the first question was:

Is Snape Lily's long lost brother? or something to that effect

The second was hidden under the dark mark and was:

Is Sirius really dead?








From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 02:42:24 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:42:24 -0000
Subject: Scholastic's heretical pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <cdk459+a08d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdkl6g+nr0r@eGroups.com>

> Carol responds:
> I was wondering what anyone else thinks of Scholastic's 
pronunciation
> of "Accio" as "AH seo." Surely if it's derived from Latin, it must 
be
> pronounced "AH keo"? The Romans used the letter "S" for the "s" 
(soft
> "c") sound and used "C" for the "k" (hard "c") sound. (The 
letter "K",
> which was superfluous, dropped out of use in Latin but was revived 
by
> the English after the Norman Conquest for use in English words of
> Saxon origin.)
> 
> Is the "Ah seo" pronunciation JKR's? If not, does anyone know where
> Scholastic got the idea that it's pronounced that way? And how is it
> pronounced in the British and American audiotapes?

Neri:
In my mind I've always pronounced Accio as AK-tsio. I believe the 
Latin C can be pronounced either K or Ts (but never S), and CC will 
be pronounced Kts. But maybe this is some German influence on my 
Hebrew-like Latin?

In Israel we tend to pronounce English words with the Latin-like and 
Greek-like sound. For example, for three and a half HP books I was 
pronouncing Hermione as Her-me-OH-ne (second e as in "me", the last e 
as in "ten"). I still believe this is the correct original sound of 
this Greek name, or anyway much closer than the ridiculous Her-MY-oh-
nee.

Neri      





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 02:47:16 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:47:16 -0000
Subject: JKR website
In-Reply-To: <cdjqaa+ffor@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdklfk+96n0@eGroups.com>

"Laura" wrote:
> Can anyone explain to me where this poll is?  I've gone to 
> jkrowling.com and don't see it...  Maybe I'm a duffer.  :)  After all 
> I didn't see this door and the bricks that were supposedly there last 
> time...  
> 
> I have run into the door that is there now--with the "Do not enter" 
> sign, but can't for the life of me figure out how to do anything but 
> wiggle the handle and turn the light on and off...


The poll is in the FAQ, which you get to by clicking on the paperclips
and then on the envelope labeled "About the Books." Click on the slip
of paper sticking out behind the piece of notepaper. The poll is the
last item listed on the paper.

The door that's there now is the same door as before. You just can't
enter it when the "Do Not Disturb" sign is up.

Carol






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 02:53:34 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:53:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cdkg60+m9ps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040721025334.78460.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>



justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Definitely "AM bew lance" (or "lunce") here in Arizona.

Carol, who is always being criticized for saying "Kew pon" instead of
"KOO pon" (learned it from my mother, so it must be, erm,a Californiaism?)



Tom-A-toe instead of Tom-ah-toe

Crick instead of Creek

moonmyyst (who remembers fondly Sunday dinner - served right after church - that consisted of fried chicken, sunday cornbread, string beans, corn on the cob, tater salad, deviled eggs, and 'nana puddin' with sweet iced tea.)


		
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 02:55:17 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:55:17 -0000
Subject: New FAQ poll at JKR's site
Message-ID: <cdklul+b3bp@eGroups.com>

Forgive me if I'm not the first to post this, but there's a new poll
up at JKR's website. I won't spoil it by telling you the questions,
but they're completely diffeent from the previous set.

Carol




From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 04:39:37 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <cdjvgc+5e9u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040721043937.90625.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>

--- justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Phil wrote:
> In the first chapter of OOTP it says:
> Harry had run barely a dozen steps when he reached
> them: Dudley was
> curled on the ground, his arms clamped over his
> face; ...edited...
>  
> Now why would Dudley have his arms clamped over his
> face if he
> couldn't see them?

I just assumed he sensed their presence, was naturally
frightened by being accosted by something horrible
that he couldn't see, and dropped to a defensive
position on the ground. To cover your face seems to be
a pretty common reaction to fear or shock, at least it
seems so to me.

Lanthiriel


		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 05:11:11 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:11:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] From the beginning......
In-Reply-To: <cdhd3e+sthm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040721051111.17991.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Marita Bush <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Any takers?  Is there a group or site or thread
> already doing this?  
> Please don't tell me it's already been done...I know
> that, I just 
> MISSED it all!  I'm looking for other newbies or
> just other properly 
> obsessed oldies who want to start from scratch.  

My feelings too, Marita. I feel so lost in many
discussions. I'd also like to start simple, and from
scratch.

I saw that you got referred to another Yahoo group -
maybe I will see you there!

Lanthiriel


	
		
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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Wed Jul 21 14:40:21 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:40:21 -0000
Subject: Accio was: Re: Scholastic's heretical pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <cdkl6g+nr0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdlv8l+9e87@eGroups.com>

 Carol wrote:

> > >I was wondering what anyone else thinks of Scholastic's 
 pronunciation of "Accio" as "AH seo." Surely if it's derived from 
Latin, it must be pronounced "AH keo"? The Romans used the 
letter "S" for the "s" (soft "c") sound and used "C" for the "k" 
(hard "c") sound. (The letter "K", which was superfluous, dropped 
out of use in Latin but was revived by the English after the Norman 
Conquest for use in English words of Saxon origin.)

Is the "Ah seo" pronunciation JKR's? If not, does anyone know where 
Scholastic got the idea that it's pronounced that way? And how is it 
pronounced in the British and American audiotapes?>>>

Ali responds:

Stephen Fry pronounces it "Ak seo" similar to the pronunciation of 
accident.

There has been a lot of argument over the pronunciation of this 
word, with the committee and volunteers of Accio UK very divided 
about how it should be pronounced, we've got a poll on our forums to 
try and settle the dispute:

http://www.accio.org.uk/forums

I personally pronounce it "Ah cheo", probably as a result of 
learning Italian for a few years, but I'm tempted to think that "Ak 
seo" is the "correct" way to say it. 

BTW, I'm fairly certain that Stephen Fry has gone on record saying 
that JKR has provided no guidance on pronunciations or accents: that 
certainly explains why Fry chose to give Tonks a semi-Lancashire 
accent rather than the London accent I imagine her with!

Ali,

summoning you all to Accio UK 2005:

http://www.accio.org.uk








From Ali at zymurgy.org  Wed Jul 21 14:51:13 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:51:13 -0000
Subject: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <20040716145649.95896.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdlvt1+u39@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
>>> I'm really having a hard time with this concept, and I guess I 
missed it's origination.  

<<snip>>

I just don't see it.  With all the mention of things that 
just "happen" around Harry before he got his letter, there's no 
mention of anything  remotely similar occurring to Dudders.  And if 
there's anyone who would find a self-serving use for any sort of 
magical powers, it would be him.
 
 So....fill me in.  Where does this theory come from and why?>>>

Ali responds:

I know that I've been banging the "Dudley is a wizard" drum for 
quite a long time. I posted this message last October but wrote it a 
few months before that:
 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/83747


I shall be disappointed if Mrs Figg does find magic late in life as 
I don't feel it will add much to the story. But then, think about 
the time we all wasted upon finding out that the DADA teacher in OoP 
was a woman: nobody guessed that right, did they? In reality that 
piece of information was not important, and so it is more than 
possible that Mrs Figg will suddenly be able to transfigure a 
teabag, but it won't be important to the overall story. 

Ali






From TonyaMinton at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 21 15:21:04 2004
From: TonyaMinton at hotmail.com (tonyaminton)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:21:04 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdk8rk+m8lc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdm1l0+1k2j@eGroups.com>

Shaun wrote: <snipped>
> I confess to being just slightly annoyed with HPFGU at the moment -
> I sent a very large post, which I put a lot of research into, to
> the main list last week, and received virtually no comments about
> it at all. No reason I should I suppose... it's just very
> disappointing - especially when I see that far less detailed posts
> on the same types of issues spark a lot of discussion.
>
> Maybe I should have posted it here (-8.


Shaun,

I would have to agree with all the responses to your "slightly 
annoyed".  I enjoy reading as many of the great posts as I can and 
responding when I have something useful to say.  Most of the time my 
useful thing to say has been said already by someone who read the 
post earlier then I did.  I also need to say that I have to be 
selective as to what posts I read because of time constraints.  We 
are all adults here on the list and from what I gather we all have 
families, jobs, and other stresses that keep us otherwise occupied.  
I myself put my family first, then job stresses and then Harry.  But 
I have to admit that after working a 10 hour day, spending time with 
my three year old, taking care of household needs, I am wiped out.  

I hope that you do not take the lack of response your excellant post 
personally.  For me I always read all of your posts I love your point 
of view.  Please keep posting I know I am reading your posts even if 
I don't have anything useful to add!!

Tonya  (Who hopes the cheering charm I have put on Shaun works well!!)




From denver_potterfan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 16:01:26 2004
From: denver_potterfan at yahoo.com (denver_potterfan)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:01:26 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <20040721025334.78460.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdm40m+fbmr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> justcarol67 <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Definitely "AM bew lance" (or "lunce") here in Arizona.
> 
> Carol, who is always being criticized for saying "Kew pon" instead 
> of "KOO pon" (learned it from my mother, so it must be, erm,a 
Californiaism?)
> 
> 
> 
> Tom-A-toe instead of Tom-ah-toe
> 
> Crick instead of Creek
> 
> moonmyyst (who remembers fondly Sunday dinner - served right after 
church - that consisted of fried chicken, sunday cornbread, string 
beans, corn on the cob, tater salad, deviled eggs, and 'nana puddin' 
with sweet iced tea.)
>


Odette: coming out of lurkdom

How about 'that doggie won't hunt" (as used by my 10th grade algebra 
teacher when a problem could not be solved a certain way).

Odette (who grew up in Fort Worth, TX--more properly pronounced "Fot 
Wuth")





From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 16:58:06 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (sp. sot.)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Similarities of the Time Travel concept with another movie
Message-ID: <20040721165806.15070.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

Hello Griffin782002 here:
 
Yesterday, a T.V. channel in my country broadcasted a movie which made me to think that J.K.R. might have taken the idea of time travel from this particular film.
Well, the movie was 'The twelve monkeys'. I have watched a couple of times before, but I haven't made any considerations before the release of the P.o.A. movie. 
In this film the main character is send to the past in order to prevent the spread of a lethal virus that forced the sirvivors to live underground.The character has a memory about a person being murdered in a airport from the time when he was younger. In the beginning, because of mistakes, he and his partners end up in wrong dates. Later a researcher refers to these events as proper historical events. And in the end, it is proved that the person that he is witnessing being killed as a boy is himself while he is trying to stop the person who was responsible for the spread  of this particular virus. I wish to point out that in any other movie, with some recent exeptions, there is no such things, as far as I know. 
Well, what do you think?  : -)
 
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jul 21 17:01:09 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:01:09 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation of Accio
Message-ID: <cdm7gl+ph5c@eGroups.com>

Personally, I go with 'day-zha voo'

David




From lists at heidi8.com  Wed Jul 21 17:06:04 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:06:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Similarities of the Time Travel concept with another movie
In-Reply-To: <20040721165806.15070.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
References: <20040721165806.15070.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1090429568.22379B02@r5.dngr.org>

Had the person reporting on your tv show never seen Back to the Future 
or the Star Trek:The Voyage Home films?

Curiously,
Heidi

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:58pm, sp. sot. wrote:
> Hello Griffin782002 here:
Yesterday, a T.V. channel in my country broadcasted a movie which made 
me to think that J.K.R. might have taken the idea of time travel from 
this particular film.
Well, the movie was 'The twelve monkeys'. I have watched a couple of 
times before, but I haven't made any considerations before the release 
of the P.o.A. movie.
In this film the main character is send to the past in order to prevent 
the spread of a lethal virus that forced the sirvivors to live 
underground.The character has a memory about a person being murdered in 
a airport from the time when he was younger. In the beginning, because 
of mistakes, he and his partners end up in wrong dates. Later a 
researcher refers to these events as proper historical events. And in 
the end, it is proved that the person that he is witnessing being killed 
as a boy is himself while he is trying to stop the person who was 
responsible for the spread? of this particular virus. I wish to point 
out that in any other movie, with some recent exeptions, there is no 
such things, as far as I know.
Well, what do you think?? : -)
Griffin782002
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 17:55:05 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:55:05 -0000
Subject: Dursleys - Wizards
In-Reply-To: <cdkfrc+522d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdmalp+8ehg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> > Griffin782002 wrote:
> > This is my first post in this list. About the subject whether Dudley 
> > saw the Dementors or not, did anyone else had the impression that 
> > Mrs Figg although claimed she saw the Dementors, was in fast unable 
> > to see them?
> 
> 
> Carol responds:
[...] 
> I see no reason why Mrs. Figg would lie. I'm betting that she saw
> them. After all, she talks to cats. She's probably more magical than
> she thinks. (As I said in another post, Mrs. Figg is my candidate for
> the person who will do magic late in life under desperate
> circumstances.) Look what she can accomplish with just a bag full of
> catfood cans! :-)
> 
> Carol

Annemehr:
Maybe Dumbledore told her to! It reminds me of when Dumbledore
signalled to Harry that he should lie to Fudge about whether he knew
why they were in DD's office (OoP: 'The Centaur and the Sneak'). Lie
to Fudge to protect the innocent, yes?   The Wizengamot perhaps could
not be trusted to take Figg's evidence into account if they know she
couldn't see Dementors.  My two galleons says she can't -- and as JKR
seems to be spending some time in fandom, she may have seen this
debate, and we can hope for a definitive answer sometime.

On the other hand, I do think either Figg or Filch will be the one to
do magic under desperate circumstances late in life.  It just depends
on the location of the circumstances -- Privet Drive or Hogwarts. 
Even money on which one it will be.

Annemehr





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 18:04:50 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:04:50 -0000
Subject: Scholastic's heretical pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <cdkl6g+nr0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdmb82+367o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at y...> wrote:

> In Israel we tend to pronounce English words with the Latin-like and 
> Greek-like sound. For example, for three and a half HP books I was 
> pronouncing Hermione as Her-me-OH-ne (second e as in "me", the last e 
> as in "ten"). I still believe this is the correct original sound of 
> this Greek name, or anyway much closer than the ridiculous Her-MY-oh-
> nee.
> 
> Neri

Ironically, for a while I pronounced Hermione as Her-me-OH-nee,
probably because of my Italian background. You know, similar to
rig-a-TO-ni and can-ne-LO-ni. <g> Then I read JKR's pronunciation in
GoF, and realised that *that* was the same way we pronounce other
Greek names, at least here in the US.  So Her-MI-o-ne is similar to
An-TIG-o-ne or Per-SEPH-o-ne.

Speaking of Persephone, I never did know how to pronounce Proserpine.
 Anyone?

Annemehr





From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 19:06:35 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:06:35 -0000
Subject: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <003701c46ec3$8c3b6f80$e459aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <cdmerr+h9bb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> 
wrote:
> Julie:
> 
> > But yesterday put the icing on the cake.  My mom (who is 70
> > Arkansan) said something yesterday I have never heard and hope
> > someone can help me understand this.  She was talking about 
someone
> > a friend of her's knew, and she said, "Of course, I wouldn't know
> > her from Adam's off ox."  Now, tell me, who is Adam and what in 
the
> > world is an off ox???
> 
> Oxen pull in teams of two. An off ox is the ox on the off side of 
a team.
> Similar usage of "off" in off-color and offsides. Your mom's 
expression is
> an elaboration of "Wouldn't know him from Adam."
> 
> ~Amanda, editor, which means she probably needs a shrink

THANK YOU!  I was beginning to worry!




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 19:17:22 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:17:22 -0000
Subject: Problem of list vol (was No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <40FE38DE.17863.2D64D0@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdmfg2+k0r7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
> 
> I think part of the problem is how large the list is getting - not 
> that I have a solution to that problem - but because probably 
> everybody is having to skim messages, a huge amount that people are 
> writing probably isn't even being read by most of the list.
>  
> I don't have any type of solution to that problem - but if I'd 
> posted that message a year ago, I'm almost certain I'd have had a 
> lot more comment - back when the list had about 5000 members, it 
> seemed to me that most things got read. Now it doesn't.
> 

Carolyn:
Its a problem that a lot of people are experiencing. It actually does 
need addressing, because otherwise the character of the list will be 
permanently damaged, IMO.

Heretical suggestions in no particular order:
(1) close this list to newcomers and start a new one for new members, 
resulting in current list over time becoming a calmer place to post
(2) start a new list for longer, more thoughtful posts, with tight 
rules to ensure proper discussion, excluding people who have not been 
a member for xx months
(3) introduce/tighten up draconian new rules on this list, eg 
limiting number of posts per person, and insisting on more 
substantive replies, proper reference to old posts and ideas, 
eliminating FAQ & OT questions etc

Probably this should be on the Feedback list, so if it gets picked up 
and moved by Admin, hope people might come over and debate it there.

Carolyn








From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jul 21 20:26:04 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:26:04 -0000
Subject: Similarities of the Time Travel concept with another movie
In-Reply-To: <1090429568.22379B02@r5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <cdmjgs+d3pq@eGroups.com>

Griffin wondered if the idea for POA might be based on 'The Twelve 
Monkeys'

Heidi replied:
> Had the person reporting on your tv show never seen Back to the 
Future 
> or the Star Trek:The Voyage Home films?

Agreed.  The Terminator films come to mind, too.

The specific idea in POA, of a time travel escapade in the past 
whose overall effect is to leave history exactly where it was, while 
explaining its quirks, has been fairly thoroughly explored in 
science fiction, too.  I have no idea whether JKR has come across 
any of it, but I can recall, rather vaguely I have to say:

- a short story (can't remember the title) by Isaac Asimov in which 
an enthusiast for the ancient Greeks sends back designs and drawings 
to kick-start an industrial revolution, which fails but Asimov uses 
to explain some of their advanced inventions;  

- The Door Into Summer by Robert A Heinlein;

- Two stories by Harry Harrison, The Stainless Steel Rat Saves The 
World (IMO not very good; I preferred his other SSR stories), and 
The Technicolor Time Machine, a very funny story indeed about a film 
crew who go back in time to make a movie about the vikings.  This 
one really goes to town on the possibilities of time loops, with 
loops within loops and a self-perpetuating loop with no entry and 
exit points (unlike POA where H&H enter the loop in the hospital and 
leave it just outside the hospital door).

- I'm pretty sure John Wyndham had a go, too.

- The ne plus ultra of the genre, though, AFAIK, is Asimov's 'The 
End of Eternity' which I read a couple of times as a teenager and 
never understood.  I think possibly good advice for writers 
is 'don't have flashbacks and time travel in the same story if you 
want to bring your readers along with you'.

There are other stories, of course, which adopt other approaches to 
time travel, e.g. that the past really is changed in some sense 
(Back to the Future has this), or that a parallel universe with a 
different history is created, or entered, in time travel (some Star 
Trek episodes explore this).  Wyndham wrote a very amusing short 
story called 'Pawley's Peepholes' in which an English village is 
visited by travellers from the future who gawk at the locals.  
Asimov has yet another nifty little story in which time travel 
creates a duplicate copy of the object being transmitted, in the 
case of a person, a corpse, which allows the (anti-)hero to fake his 
own death - then made permanent by his wife who siezes the 
opportunity to murder him.

All these stories were written, I'm pretty sure, before JKR was born 
or Star Trek conceived.

So, lots of interesting and complex ideas have been explored.  JKR's 
version stands well with them, but is by no means original or 
pushing the boundaries of this topic.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jul 21 22:17:48 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:17:48 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <40FE38DE.17863.2D64D0@localhost>
Message-ID: <cdmq2c+eeud@eGroups.com>

Shaun wrote:

> I think part of the problem is how large the list is getting - not 
> that I have a solution to that problem - but because probably 
> everybody is having to skim messages, a huge amount that people 
are 
> writing probably isn't even being read by most of the list.

The evidence of the posting record is that it's not the size of the 
list per se that drives the posting rate, but the rate at which new 
people join, and the incidence of external factors to write about.  
jkrowling.com is now providing a fairly steady stream of comment-
worthy material, and in particular recently recommended the Lexicon, 
which in turn recommends HPFGU.  So there has been a massive spike 
in new members.

If you look at the home page of the main list, you will see that the 
join and post rates have already begun to fall off slightly.  
Posting was up at almost 1400 a week - 200 a day - but is now below 
1000.  At about 160, the join rate is still high (about a dozen a 
day would IIRC be normal for a quiet period), but I think it has 
declined.  Unfortunately, Yahoo keeps a poor record of membership 
numbers (list administrators can in theory reconstruct them from the 
records of people joining and leaving though it would be quite a bit 
of work, I think), so it's hard to see this, but, say in late 2000 
the post rate was not very different to now with about 10% of the 
membership.  Even allowing for the hiving off of OT and movie lists.

> I don't have any type of solution to that problem - but if I'd 
> posted that message a year ago, I'm almost certain I'd have had a 
> lot more comment - back when the list had about 5000 members, it 
> seemed to me that most things got read. Now it doesn't.

> But, to be frank, if I write anything similar again, it's unlikely 
> I'll bother to post it to HPFGU because it seems to be a waste of 
> time. When I joined HPFGU, it wouldn't have been. I'd have been 
> fairly confident it was being read - even if nobody commented. 

This will probably be cold comfort, but my own experience is that 
people sometimes comment, on or offlist, months or even years later, 
on posts that raised scarcely a ripple at the time.

We are all pushed for time, and have three activities on the lists: 
reading, posting substantive thoughts, and posting to acknowledge 
others.  I think it's probably pretty accurate to say that for most 
of us, the acknowledgement activity gets brutally shoved into a 
distant third place as far as priority is concerned.

> Short posts tend to get read. Long posts now get ignored.

It would be interesting to see if there's any objective evidence of 
this.

It is a longstanding summer HPFGU tradition to whine about how the 
list is going downhill.  The fact that people have crawled out of 
the woodwork bang on cue says to me that the continuity in all this 
far outweighs what is new.  In 2000, there was oldbie eye-rolling by 
August about how newbies would ask about Dumbledore's gleam - less 
than two months after GOF was published.

There was no golden age.

David




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 22:39:48 2004
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:39:48 -0000
Subject: Scholastic's heretical pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <cdmb82+367o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdmrbk+27nr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:

> Speaking of Persephone, I never did know how to pronounce Proserpine.
>  Anyone?
> 
> Annemehr

I sort of steered away from Roman mythology, as I preferred Greek
mythology.  However, I remember when I took a GM class in college, the
prof rhymed her Roman name with Porcupine.  I don't know if that's
correct, but it sure was easy to remember. ;) Personally, I like the
Greek names better, but it's just IMO.

-Jen, counting the days until her kid-free HP weekend in Ottawa!!




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 22 04:54:36 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:54:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More Southern I think?
In-Reply-To: <cdkg60+m9ps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEINDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| Carol, who is always being criticized for saying "Kew pon" instead of
| "KOO pon" (learned it from my mother, so it must be, erm,a Californiaism?)

[Lee]:
Nah--my Mom was from the Bronx, NY, and a "kew pon" person. :-0

Cheers,
Lee (Able to type again.) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 09:22:14 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:22:14 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdmq2c+eeud@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdo106+ld2a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Shaun wrote:
> > Short posts tend to get read. Long posts now get ignored.
> 
David wrote:
> It would be interesting to see if there's any objective evidence of 
> this.
> 
> It is a longstanding summer HPFGU tradition to whine about how the 
> list is going downhill.  The fact that people have crawled out of 
> the woodwork bang on cue says to me that the continuity in all this 
> far outweighs what is new.  In 2000, there was oldbie eye-rolling 
by 
> August about how newbies would ask about Dumbledore's gleam - less 
> than two months after GOF was published.
> 
> There was no golden age.
> 

Carolyn:
If it happens every summer, shouldn't we try and do something about 
it? It can only get worse, not better over the next few years. What's 
the point of regularly dis-affecting half the membership? 

Every group needs constant renewal, older members burn out 
constantly; it's just a question of managing the process. A regularly 
updated consensus on what was a FAQ might stem the flow of some types 
of post (provided there was an effective mechanism to catch these 
posts before they got on to the list, and an easy place you could 
refer people to to find the answers).

Controlling the number of posts per day might also be worth 
considering if it is not possible to come to an agreement on how 
large the group should be overall.

And although a peruse of the archives certainly reveals no golden 
age, nevertheless, there is no doubt that when groups of members get 
used to working with each other, and are familiar with each other's 
points of view, some amazing threads can result. People stack ideas 
on ideas in ever-more entertaining houses of cards. 

Although the same groups also tend to fly too near the sun in their 
excitement and fall to earth eventually, its great while it lasts, 
and leaves a permanent legacy of great theories to be picked over and 
re-mastered, or indeed, trashed by other people.

It's very rare for that kind of exhilarating thread to be generated 
by totally new people, so sorry if you think its whining, but I think 
it is quite important to try and strike a balance between the 
interests of older members and those who have just joined.

Carolyn

 




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jul 22 13:57:25 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:57:25 -0500
Subject: A Happy Birthday Wish
Message-ID: <012701c46ff3$d1741bc0$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

Into the room walks Iggy Elf.  He is wearing a vest that it a riot of
colors, seemingly woven of 2" wide strips of fabric with no two strips being
the same color or pattern, thus creating the loudest, most colorful article
of clothing you have ever seen.  Iggy's socks seem to compliment his vest
rather nicely in an odd, psychedelic sort of way, being knitted from odds
and ends of leftover yard put together so as not to waste them, but being a
blazing assortment of colors themselves.  He seems to be ticking off items
with one hand as he pushes a large trolley with the other.  Looking at the
items on the trolley, he gives a satisfied nod, and begins to set up the
room.

Streamers and confetti, making the room look much like Iggy's wardrobe, come
first.  Then are the baskets placed on the tables with an assortment of
crackers, accompanied by a dishes, with a different flavor of ice cream in
each, stacked to form a pyramid.  Last, comes the cake.  It is done in soft
pastels, and each layer has a different color, and pattern... ranging from
spots or stripes, to checkerboards, and even one with a paisley pattern.
The whole thing looks like something designed by Dr. Seuss while watching
'the Yellow Submarine." Pitchers of pumpkin juice and large tubs with snow
(how did he get snow in July?) that hold chilled bottles of butterbeer,
Keldon's Krispy Kreme soda (it tastes like a Krispy Kreme glazed donut) and
Fripper's Forty Flavor Fizz (you never know what it's going to taste like
with each sip... but always delicious) to drink.  Tablecloths in an array of
colors but strangely enough (well, for this event at least) without
patterns, cover the tables, with stacks of colorful plates and eating
utensils completing the arrangement.

Looking around the bizarre (and, you begin to think, possibly color blind)
Elf gives another satisfied nod, before reaching up and pulling a crumpled
wad of paper out of his left ear.  Smoothing it out, he clears his throat.

*ahem*  "I would like to announce the birthday of Anne/Silverthorne. (Owls
with birthday greetings may be sent to her at:
silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net )  I encourage all to at least raise a glass
briefly in toast of this special occasion."

With that, he raises a small glass of pumpkin juice in a toast and downs it
before waving and toddling off to his other duties.






From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 15:17:13 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:17:13 -0000
Subject: Similarities of the Time Travel concept with another movie
In-Reply-To: <1090429568.22379B02@r5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <cdolpp+p8m1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> 
wrote:
> Had the person reporting on your tv show never seen Back to the 
Future 
> or the Star Trek:The Voyage Home films?
> 
> Curiously,
> Heidi



Griffin782002 again:

I feel I must explain some points. First, of course I know about 
the "Back to the future" movies; I have seen them many times. But 
in "Back to the future" there were no signs of a person travelling 
in the past. In "Twelve Monkeys", the character does have the memory 
of the event. Harry saw himself saving himself at the lake, he 
should have died. In "Back to the future", Marty's dad doesn't seem 
to remember anyone helping him to meet his mother, in fact he nearly 
erased himself. And in the third movie, when he goes to 1880's or 
something, he saves a teacher, who was supposed to be killed by 
falling down a gorge. By saving her they changed history, normally 
she should have been dead.
And finnaly, about Star Trek, I must admite that it has been some 
time since I watched any of these films, or any episode of the T.V. 
series. And I haven't read any works of science fiction, so perhaps 
my point of view is a little limited.

Griffin782002



> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
>




From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul 22 15:41:47 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:41:47 -0000
Subject: Similarities of the Time Travel concept with another movie
In-Reply-To: <20040721165806.15070.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdon7r+urlc@eGroups.com>

"sp. sot." <griffin782002 at y...> wrote:
> I wish to point out that in any other movie, with some recent
> exeptions, there is no such things, as far as I know.  Well, what do
> you think?  : -)

If you're taking about going back in time to make sure something
happens as it is supposed to, take a look at "Babylon 5". The specific
episodes are "Babylon Squared" and "War Without End Parts 1 & 2".

HTH HAND
-- 
Phil




From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jul 22 16:10:43 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:10:43 -0000
Subject: Similarities of the Time Travel concept with another movie
In-Reply-To: <cdolpp+p8m1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdoou3+3jmc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "griffin782002" wrote:

> I feel I must explain some points. First, of course I know about 
> the "Back to the future" movies; I have seen them many times. But 
> in "Back to the future" there were no signs of a person travelling 
> in the past. In "Twelve Monkeys", the character does have the 
memory 
> of the event. Harry saw himself saving himself at the lake, he 
> should have died. In "Back to the future", Marty's dad doesn't 
seem 
> to remember anyone helping him to meet his mother, in fact he 
nearly 
> erased himself. 

I think we may be running into a language issue here. When you say 
that in BTTF, there were no signs of a person traveling in the past, 
you mean that when things "happened" for the "first time" they were 
one way, and Marty's traveling changed them so they happened a 
different way, correct? So you're saying that this is a different 
*style* of telling a time-travel story than PoA is, and that the 
style of the time-travel story in PoA is more similar to 12 Monkeys 
than it is to BTTF? 

The "12 Monkeys" style did happen in a 1990 episode of Quantum Leap 
(I just checked the date of the episode on a QL website) and both 
Star Trek The Voyage Home and First Contact make it clear that 
both "times around", there were time travelers who impacted things 
in the "past." 

The "12 Monkeys"-style  loop also shows up in Julian May's Moebius-
strip serieses, the Pliocene Exile and the Galactic Milieu, and she 
started publishing those in the 70s. Douglas Adams, also, gets into 
the issue with The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ("Yeah. 
Listen. I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox, my father was Zaphod Beeblebrox the 
Second, my grandfather Zaphod Beeblebrox the Third...There was an 
accident with a contraceptive and a time machine.") and Life, The 
Universe and Everything ("The Campaign for Real Timers claim that 
just as easy travel eroded the differences between one country and 
another, and between one world and another, so time travel is now 
eroding the differences between one age and another." Also see the 
time travel loop in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. 

You might want to look over this website - 
http://users.metro2000.net/~stabbott/timetravel.htm - it takes a 
look at different examples of time-travel in narrative fiction. It's 
a fascinating set of links - and I particularly enjoy this essay: 
http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/timetv.html



heidi




From jlaming426 at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 17:52:14 2004
From: jlaming426 at aol.com (jimlaming)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:52:14 -0000
Subject: Problem of list vol (was No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdmfg2+k0r7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdouse+2hpg@eGroups.com>

"Shaun Hately" wrote: <snip>
I think part of the problem is how large the list is getting - not 
that I have a solution to that problem - but because probably 
everybody is having to skim messages, a huge amount that people are 
writing probably isn't even being read by most of the list. <snip>

Carolyn:
Its a problem that a lot of people are experiencing. It actually does 
need addressing, because otherwise the character of the list will be 
permanently damaged, IMO. <snip>


Jim chimes in:

I joined almost 2 years ago and only started posting in the last 6-8 
months or so.  Unfortunately, I have now stopped reading regularly as 
I just can't keep up with the volume and the discussions seem to be 
revolving with very little new thought.  Currently, I come back to 
research a topic I have questions or ideas about and when I have a 
few spare hours (LOL).  There is a wealth of knowledge in the 
archives if you can get through the search engine.

The HPfGU discussion board was my first HP site.  As I have 
progressed in my obsession, I have found other formats that enhanced 
my study and understanding.  Perhaps one of these could help solve 
the volume crisis.

There is the synopsis format where a moderator (committee) has boiled 
down the theories (al la; Hypothetic Alley: HPfGU's Wildest 
Speculations) and presents the theories in all their spender.  They 
have noted major disagreements, flaws, interrelationships to other 
theories and variations on a theme.  To my knowledge, there have been 
no new updates to the "Fantastic Posts and Where to Find Them" site 
since OOP came out.  I would love to see that branch of HPfGU 
reactivated.  Posters like me would ask fewer stupid questions and 
have that "wealth of knowledge" organized and easily accessed. 

Another format is to subdivide the topics into separate discussion 
boards.  Snape, Harry, Molly, Quidditch, Hogwarts, magical creatures, 
FILK, SHIP, JKR interviews and appearances, etc
  Then we can review 
the subject we are most interested in.  Divide and concur, I mean 
conquer. ;-)

I agree that something needs to be done to regulate or organize the 
flood of posts.  We are drowning in our own success. I don't pretend 
to have all the answers.  There are a lot smarter people than me out 
there.  I hope we can find a way.

Respectfully,
Jim Laming






From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jul 22 18:32:05 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:32:05 -0000
Subject: Problem of list vol (was No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdouse+2hpg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdp175+ubn0@eGroups.com>


 Carolyn wrote:
> Its a problem that a lot of people are experiencing. It actually 
does 
> need addressing, because otherwise the character of the list will 
be 
> permanently damaged, IMO. <snip>

Carolyn - I don't want to sound dismissive, and I hope that what I 
am about to say doesn't sound that way, but people have been saying 
that for *years*. Right now, the main list is very different, and 
yet no different, than the way it looked when I first joined HPfGU 
over three years ago. Damaged? I don't think that's a fair way to 
look at it - if you go back and look at the posts at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages/1, you'll see a 
universe that's somewhate recognizable, but in a way, it's not. 

I remember the list before the proliferation of acronyms. I remember 
the list before coming up with a New and Unifying Theory was the be-
all-and-end-all of disucssion. I remember the list when one was 
allowed to use an original narrative - or even fanfiction to make a 
point about something in canon. And oh, do I remember the first 
volleys in the ship debates (pretty much Oct-Nov, 2000). 

The list is a changing animal, and people have a tendency to think 
that The Way It Was When They Joined Or First Became Involved is how 
it should be - and sometimes they're right, and sometimes, things 
need to develop and grow and yes, they change. 

Now, I haven't been on the mod side of things on this list in over a 
year - but there were discussionsin 2001, in 2002 and in 2003 about 
closing the list to newbies; as it stands now, newbies can't post to 
the list without having their first posts screened by a mod. That 
wasn't the way things were three years ago - or even two. But it's 
the way things are now, and it's caused a change in how the list is. 

Then Jim chimed in and said: 
> I joined almost 2 years ago and only started posting in the last 6-
8 
> months or so.  Unfortunately, I have now stopped reading regularly 
as 
> I just can't keep up with the volume and the discussions seem to 
be 
> revolving with very little new thought.  Currently, I come back to 
> research a topic I have questions or ideas about and when I have a 
> few spare hours (LOL).  There is a wealth of knowledge in the 
> archives if you can get through the search engine.
> 
> The HPfGU discussion board was my first HP site.  As I have 
> progressed in my obsession, I have found other formats that 
enhanced 
> my study and understanding.  Perhaps one of these could help solve 
> the volume crisis.
> 
> Another format is to subdivide the topics into separate discussion 
> boards.  Snape, Harry, Molly, Quidditch, Hogwarts, magical 
creatures, 
> FILK, SHIP, JKR interviews and appearances, etc
  Then we can 
review 
> the subject we are most interested in.  Divide and concur, I mean 
> conquer. ;-)

There are other forums in the fandom that do things this way - it's 
much more organic and natural on a message board than it is on a 
mailing list. My own site, FictionAlley, has forums for discussion 
of every character 
(http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php
?s=&forumid=11), book 
(http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php
?s=&forumid=10), interview 
(http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php
?s=&forumid=38), SHIP 
(http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php
?s=&forumid=36) or FILK 
(http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php
?s=&forumid=33 although admittedly, the area for filks has an 
abundance of youthfulness about it; all filks, however, are 
appreciated!). Some people find the subdivision of concepts a handy 
way to engage in discussion, and among the million-plus posts, a 
wide range of discussions are taking place. 

But it's all about, really, how you like to read and discuss. I've 
always enjoyed turning arguments into stories, but others prefer to 
use traditional debate and forensic league styles 
(http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php
?s=&forumid=164). 


heidi




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Jul 22 18:57:12 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:57:12 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdmq2c+eeud@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdp2m8+72dn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> It is a longstanding summer HPFGU tradition to whine about how the 
> list is going downhill.  The fact that people have crawled out of 
> the woodwork bang on cue says to me that the continuity in all this 
> far outweighs what is new.  In 2000, there was oldbie eye-rolling by 
> August about how newbies would ask about Dumbledore's gleam - less 
> than two months after GOF was published.
> 
> There was no golden age.


Possibly, but that's no reason to not aspire to one.

And yes, although I've been a member for little over a year I too think the
standard of the average post has declined. I was part of the big influx in 
response to the forthcoming publication of OoP - more numerous than 
the current intake, I think. But there's a not-so-subtle difference this time
- they're (mostly) not a response to the books, but to the release of the 
film. And judging by some of the posts a proportion of them have never 
bothered to read the books properly. Doesn't stop 'em posting, though.

I've had mails querying my posts - "because it didn't happen that way in
the film" and "the clues in the film say different." Since I've not seen the film
and have no intention of doing so, I'm not able to comment except to point
out that the films aren't canon. To which I received replies - "canon is 
boring"; "canon doesn't matter"; "forget canon, the film is more fun."
OK, they might be exceptions (I hope), but it doesn't give me a great deal 
of confidence for the future if more than a handful with this attitude post 
with any regularity. Makes you wonder if it's worthwhile grafting to put a 
reasoned post together if make believe, adolescent fantasy and the view 
through Warner Bros. story filter are seen as more desirable. 

Never had that sort of mail previous to the past month. Could well be 
straws in the wind.

So call me a whiner - better to my mind than airily dismissing concerns 
from the lofty eminence of 4 years on site. One stance is concerned about 
maintaining reasonably adult standards; the other sees no cause to worry.
Sorry, I think you're wrong. The complexion of the membership is changing,
and not in a way I  feel comfortable with.

Kneasy 




From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Jul 22 19:30:11 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Problem of list vol (was No responses on the 
     main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdp175+ubn0@eGroups.com>
References: <cdouse+2hpg@eGroups.com> <cdp175+ubn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2339.4.12.232.41.1090524611.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

heiditandy said:

> But it's all about, really, how you like to read and discuss. I've
> always enjoyed turning arguments into stories, but others prefer to
> use traditional debate and forensic league styles

The HPFGU groups do offer an interesting alternative, but I'm more of a
slasher and not even close to a literary intellectual.  Truthfully, I
haven't read a single HPFGU message in weeks; I just skim subjects.

I'm happiest on mailing lists (multiple technical reasons that no forum or
journal has yet to compensate) where folks are free to killfile me or jump
into a discussion.  I can think for myself but it's interesting to have a
second viewpoint.

If the complaint was about folks being 'buried under the masses', join the
club.  Fanfic writers are especially paranoid.  For example, since I'm
replying to Heidi's message, the FA domains could be a 'graveyard' for
some fics or forum posts because of the huge amount of work they're
competing with.

Hm, create your own 'clique'.  Find folks you want to converse with and
*privately* invite them into a smaller group.  Elitist, yeah, but that's
what some of y'all are suggesting anyway.

Dina,
a last year 'newbie' on HPFGU that's probably still on moderated - I can
chat freely here and on the HPFGU movie list and I'm happy with that





From editor at texas.net  Thu Jul 22 19:31:18 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:31:18 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdp2m8+72dn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdp4m6+33r2@eGroups.com>

David, who is correct:

> > There was no golden age.

Idealist!Kneasy responds: 
> 
> Possibly, but that's no reason to not aspire to one.
> 
<snip>

> So call me a whiner - better to my mind than airily dismissing 
concerns 
> from the lofty eminence of 4 years on site.

Not quite four in my case, but close, so I feel qualified to comment.

Part of what you may be experiencing might honestly have nothing to 
do with the quality of the posts. I was an enthusiastic poster for 
quite a long time--in fact, in the old stats lists I topped the chart 
for quite some time. My participation has tailed off for a couple of 
reasons. One, of course, has to do with increased time demands from 
other aspects of life. But another has to do with "list life."

By that I mean a natural progression of participation. I call 
it "natural" because I have observed and discussed this with other 
old listmembers--I don't feel I'm describing a phenomenon unique to 
me.

Fact is, when you come onboard you are bursting with ideas and 
theories and delighted to find a place to share them. If you stay, 
though, after about a year--about the time you say you've been onlist-
-it starts to be the case that there are no new ideas (or it seems 
not). Enthusiastic new members come on after you and bring up 
theories and ideas that you've already had, or already discussed, or 
already explored. 

At first, you respond and participate, and when relevant, point out 
aspects from the earlier discussions (or provide a thread name, or 
message number of interest). And you strive not to quash these people 
just becaus you've heard this "new" idea four or five times. It's a 
new thought to *them,* and you remind yourself it's not their fault 
you're tired of it.

And after a while, you stop responding to so many posts, because if 
you participate you feel obligated to *fully* participate, and the 
cumulative weight of those earlier discussions and the desire to make 
newcomers aware of brilliant past insights begin to seem conflicted 
with a desire to make them welcome and let them explore and discuss 
for themselves.

And you might end up pretty much lurking, stepping in now and then to 
make a comment.

In this progression, in the "whiny" phase (no offense), there's a 
feeling of letdown. At least for me, I used to be a major poster and 
my ideas were discussed and valued. Then it seemed like nobody was 
reading my stuff anymore; I called myself a list dementor because all 
I had to do was comment and the thread died. Or I'd post a good 
discussion of something, with a fun sig line--and the substance would 
be totally ignored, while spinoff comments on the sig line thrived. 
This was my experience of the whiny phase, and I did in fact whine 
about it (hence no offense, I've been there).

What I'm saying--In that time, when the list doesn't seem quite the 
same and you're trying to figure out why, don't think it's entirely 
externals. There have been discussions upon discussions of whether 
the quality of posts was declining. The quality of posts has always 
fluctuated. As David pointed out, we're coming off a spike, which 
probably accounts for this particular fluctuation (if there is one).

But don't overlook, in analyses of how the list is changing, how your 
interaction with the list may be changing and maturing as well. 

~Amanda





From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 19:32:46 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
Message-ID: <20040722193246.84198.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>

Perhaps what we need is a canon-only,
no-film-mention-at-all sublist.
Personally, I was happier before we were allowed to
discuss film-related
issues on the main list. 

Suzanne




		
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From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 19:56:26 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:56:26 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdp2m8+72dn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdp65a+mf30@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt"
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> <snip> There was no golden age.

> Kneasy:
Possibly, but that's no reason to not aspire to one. <snip> And
judging by some of the posts a proportion of them have never  bothered
to read the books properly. Doesn't stop 'em posting, though.

Entropy:

True, Kneasy. The problem may be two-fold: I am frustrated lately by
not just the caliber of the posts, but by the subjects themselves. 
First, if I'm going to entertain a theory (or post one myself), it's
got to be chock-full of canon and common sense; a simple post stating
a theory and a sentence from Book 3 to back it up just isn't going to
do it for me. And second, I'm personally getting a bit tired of being
asked to entertain the same theories over and over again. (No offense
to all of you Vampire!Snape diehards out there, but do we really need
to be re-hashing that one again? )

My concern is not so much that the list is getting too big or too
busy, or too whatever, but that it is in grave danger of stagnating. 
In my mind, the older posters have (rightfully so) a "been there, done
that" attitude: they've done the research and collaborated on the
theories and drawn their conclusions, and don't really have much
interest in watching the newbies start at square one all over again.  


>Kneasy:<snip>So call me a whiner - better to my mind than airily
dismissing concerns  from the lofty eminence of 4 years on site. One
stance is concerned about  maintaining reasonably adult standards; the
other sees no cause to worry. Sorry, I think you're wrong. The
complexion of the membership is changing, and not in a way I  feel
comfortable with. 

Entropy:

Once again, Kneasy, I agree. Whether or not  problems have been
brought up in the past is no reason to dismiss them now.  Perhaps the
complaints were unfounded in the past; or, perhaps those complaining
two or three years ago simply saw then what has now reached critical mass.

In any case, it doesn't seem out of line to consider somehow splitting
the list.  Although someone suggested that other lists have been
divided by subject (Snape, FILKS, Ships, etc.), I don't think anything
that drastic is necessary.  Simply splitting the list into two groups: 

(1)newbies who are excited about discovering older theories for
themselves and 
(2) oldies who have a certain amount of time put into the group (or a
certain number of posts)

seems to me to be a fair way of keeping newer members happy and older
members interested.

Elves, are you listening?

:: Entropy ::








From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 20:14:34 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lemony Snicket Books
Message-ID: <20040722201434.12944.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a quick question for someone who's read the
Series of Unfortunate Events books. I requested the
first 4 from the library to read on vacation but only
books 2-4 got here in time. If I skip "The Bad
Beginning" for now and start on the second book will I
understand what's going on or is it the kind of series
where I'd be totally lost?

Thanks!,
Kathryn


	
		
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From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 21:04:33 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:04:33 -0000
Subject: Lemony Snicket Books
In-Reply-To: <20040722201434.12944.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdpa51+hgqt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber
<katydid3500 at y...> wrote:
> I have a quick question for someone who's read the
> Series of Unfortunate Events books. I requested the
> first 4 from the library to read on vacation but only
> books 2-4 got here in time. If I skip "The Bad
> Beginning" for now and start on the second book will I
> understand what's going on or is it the kind of series
> where I'd be totally lost?

No, my sons and I have read them all and, although it would probably
be best to read them in order, I think Book 2 gives you enough
background (within the first few pages) of Book 1 to get you up to speed.

:: Entropy ::




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Jul 22 21:26:13 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:26:13 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdp4m6+33r2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdpbdl+uprk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda" <editor at t...> wrote:
> 
> Not quite four in my case, but close, so I feel qualified to comment.
> 
> Part of what you may be experiencing might honestly have nothing to 
> do with the quality of the posts. I was an enthusiastic poster for 
> quite a long time--in fact, in the old stats lists I topped the chart 
> for quite some time. My participation has tailed off for a couple of 
> reasons. One, of course, has to do with increased time demands from 
> other aspects of life. But another has to do with "list life."
> 
> By that I mean a natural progression of participation. I call 
> it "natural" because I have observed and discussed this with other 
> old listmembers--I don't feel I'm describing a phenomenon unique to 
> me.
>
> Snip> 
> 
> What I'm saying--In that time, when the list doesn't seem quite the 
> same and you're trying to figure out why, don't think it's entirely 
> externals. There have been discussions upon discussions of whether 
> the quality of posts was declining. The quality of posts has always 
> fluctuated. As David pointed out, we're coming off a spike, which 
> probably accounts for this particular fluctuation (if there is one).
> 
> But don't overlook, in analyses of how the list is changing, how your 
> interaction with the list may be changing and maturing as well. 
> 

Maturing? Me? Hardly. I'm growing old disgracefully.

Oh yes, I've tried to take into account the rush of enthusiasm that
carries you through the first few months, usually followed by a more
selective approach to posting. That is a natural progression, I  agree.

After you've been around awhile it's natural to grunt when some old
relic of a topic is resurrected for the umteenth time - not that again!
But take the time to read these re-animations and you'll possibly see
that the way they are composed and the handling of the subject 
matter is starting to change. This is the bit that worries/annoys me.

Where before canon was quoted, possibilities put forward, questions
framed, ideas exchanged and modified it's often not so now. I get the
feeling that there is an increasing tendency for the mind-set of 
"I want it to be like this." Refutation with hard canon makes no 
difference; the perception is fixed - and then others join in with
"Ooh! What a lovely idea!" Fortunately, up to now most of it has
concerned trivial items, posts and subject matter that you can flip 
past without feeling that you're missing something. To make an
analogy, it's as if the wishful whimsy of SHIPpers is spreading to 
other areas.

And no, I  don't want a hanging committee to adjudicate on the 
worthiness of the subject under disussion. Humour, a light touch
and even the inconsequential are to be valued on a site like this.
But how it's handled and presented does influence posters,
responses and threads that follow after. Careless and sloppy
breeds the more careless and even sloppier follow-up.

A year ago, if I made a balls-up, there was always somebody who
would adminster a boot up the backside - a strip publicly torn
off for submitting such tripe, quoting chapter and verse to enlighten
my ignorance of what the books really said. Haven't seen that recently.
Pity.

BTW, there  was a post today wondering at the ages of the posters; 
it's crossed my mind too. 

Kneasy
 







From the_illustrious_queen_laura at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 22 22:52:29 2004
From: the_illustrious_queen_laura at hotmail.com (sevenhundredandthirteen)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:52:29 -0000
Subject: Similarities of the Time Travel concept with another movie
In-Reply-To: <20040721165806.15070.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdpgfd+8s1d@eGroups.com>


Hello Griffin782002 here:
>  
> Yesterday, a T.V. channel in my country broadcasted a movie which 
made me to think that J.K.R. might have taken the idea of time 
travel from this particular film.
> Well, the movie was 'The twelve monkeys'. I have watched a couple 
of times before, but I haven't made any considerations before the 
release of the P.o.A. movie. 

Laurasia (me) replies:

Did you know '12 Monkeys' is based on the French movie 'La Jet?e' 
which was made in 1962? 'La Jet?e' tells the story of a boy who 
witnesses his own death at an airport the very day before the world 
is destroyed and later on in life travels back to the same time in 
order to find help for the destroyed world. He ends up falling in 
love with a woman from the past. It is, effectively, the same plot. 
In 'La Jet?e,' however, the 'cure' is found from the future, not
the 
past. Also 'La Jet?e' is a short film so '12 Monekys' added in the 
other plots surrounding Brad Pitt's character.

I'd recommend 'La Jet?e' to anyone. It is shot in black and white 
still frames (that is, no movement... Just a montage of beautiful 
photos with a narrator telling the story). It also deals with the 
ideas of time travel in better ways- that is, when the man reaches 
the future, he tells them they *must* help, or else how is it that 
they are all still alive? In order for them to be alive and happy, 
they must have sent aid back to the past, so that society can grow.

Link about the movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056119/

~<(Laurasia)>~




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 00:30:00 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:30:00 -0000
Subject: Responses on the main list
In-Reply-To: <20040722193246.84198.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdpm68+d10q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Chiles
<suzchiles at y...> wrote:
> Perhaps what we need is a canon-only, no-film-mention-at-all sublist.
> Personally, I was happier before we were allowed to discuss
film-related 
> issues on the main list. 
> 
> Suzanne


Asian_Lovr2:

Actually, we are not allowed to discuss the Films on the Main List
UNLESS we can tie what we are saying back to the books and to true canon. 

There were some hints that there may have been clues or implications
in the latest movie that foreshadowed what would happen in the future
books. Although, I think in their enthusiasm, most people took the
idea to the extreme, and admittedly the threads did tend to stray from
the posting rules. However, I suspect the Moderator were hoping that
the thread would eventually pull back on track. 

Personally, I thought some of them stray too far, but that's not my
judgement call to make.

The Moderators have recently moved several threads off the main list
because they were either too far off-topic, or because the strayed too
far from canon based discussions. So, the Mods aren't ignoring that
asspect. I think, though, that sometimes it's a difficult judgement
call as to whether to shut-down, or move a thread. 

In addition, Yahoo discussion forums are far from the most techically
sophisticated; in fact, it is a rather primitive forum with amazingly
stunningly poor search capability. But it is 'centerally located',
easy to access, easy to find, and easy to use, so it endures. 

In addition, for the most part, it is free. It is unlikely that you
would find another place as easy to assess that would allow the high
traffic volumes and high storage capacity for as low a price as Yahoo.

I remember when I first started and was under Moderated status, and
even after Moderated status, I once accused (although, I tried to be
polite) the Mods of being 'anally retentive and obssessed' (really, I
did it in a polite way) for demanding such ridged adherence to the
posting rules. 

I once had a long complex posted that responded to several different
authors on several different topics, and I thought I have a very
functional and novel way of separating the unrelated posts using
dividing lines made up of '=' equal signs and '-' minus signs. Equal
signs separated unrelated posts and topics, and Minus signs separate
my response from the post I was responding to. Lord, you would have
thought I tried to assasinate the Pope, the flurry and fury of emails
I got from the Mods. Yikes!

I admit that at the time I found the emphasis on form over substance
annoying, but in hindsight, perhaps that's what we need now. Maybe the
Mods just need to be hard asses, and force people to adhere to ridged
standards of posting.

Side note: 
Nothing annoyes me more than people who uses indents instead of full
blank line breaks for paragraph formating. For the record, indents
(leading spaces or TABS) will always be shrunk to nothing, so they are
pointless. 

It extremely difficult to read a post and follow the train of thought,
when it all looks like one huge paragraph. You will notice that */I/*
make a point of using short concise FULL LINE SPACED paragraphs. It's
much easier to take in people's thoughts in short bursts than in long
endless drones. It's also a lot harder to lose your place. But then,
that's just me.


Back to the central issue, someone suggested we go back to Post #1
(year 2000) and read the posts back then to compare the quality of the
past to the present. Really, you should all try it. I didn't find that
much around post #1 but up around #300 I found a great thread on
Percy, interesting stuff on speculative sex education in the Wizard
and the extent to which it would model our own real world experience,
and on magical contraception, and well as many others that I found
very intesting, and was eager to join in. Although, is there really
any point in reponding to a post that was made in 2000?

To the current state of affairs, another annoyance is the apparent
lack of understanding the difference between an Impulse and an Idea.
An impulse is any random thought that passes through your head. What
many people fail to see that the fact that a thought exists in their
head doesn't automatically validate it. 

An IMPULSE-
Ginny is really Crookshanks because Ginny and Hermione are such close
friends that Ginny wouldn't want to leave Hermione during the Summer
Holiday. And besides, Ginny is sooooooooooooo cute, and I think she is
secretly in love with Hermione.

An IDEA-
I think Ginny is really Crookshanks, and here is the evidence to back
it up, and here is how I explain the inconsistencies that this idea
appears to create. 

One opens the door to a healthy (or unhealthy) dose of antacids, the
other to an long, deep, and interesting discussion. You guess which
one is which.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr2








From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jul 23 00:37:16 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:37:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was:
 Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdp65a+mf30@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEJODCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

From: entropymail [mailto:entropymail at yahoo.com]
| Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004
| > Kneasy:
| Possibly, but that's no reason to not aspire to one. <snip> And
| judging by some of the posts a proportion of them have never  bothered
| to read the books properly. Doesn't stop 'em posting, though.
|
| Entropy:
|
| True, Kneasy. The problem may be two-fold: I am frustrated lately by
| not just the caliber of the posts, but by the subjects themselves.
| First, if I'm going to entertain a theory (or post one myself), it's
| got to be chock-full of canon and common sense; a simple post stating
| a theory and a sentence from Book 3 to back it up just isn't going to
| do it for me. And second, I'm personally getting a bit tired of being
| asked to entertain the same theories over and over again. (No offense
| to all of you Vampire!Snape diehards out there, but do we really need
| to be re-hashing that one again? )

[Lee]:
Of course, if everyone would read the FAQ files and such before posting,
this probably wouldn't happen so much.

Now, I've got to admit, I joined the HPFGU Main List in--uh--hmm--April, I
think?...well, anyway, I did *scan* the FAQ files and tried to absorb the
acronyms with little success. :-) There's just sooo much info to read
through fully.  But I at least felt pretty comfortable popping in.

When I posted, I tried to devote a great deal of care to my posts and did
all I could to adhere to List Protocols, and had lots of fun.

As of late, however, some of the thrust of some of the threads makes me
wonder if I've read the same books as some of the posters out there...no
offense, but some of the stuff just totally eludes me.  Perhaps I'm
too--uh--concrete in my thinking that not every line has to allude to or
foreshadow something...like the "stalagmite & Stalactite" thing.  I admit
I've got to wonder about all the time-travel stuff...a bit too way off the
deep end for me.  Etc., etc.

[Entropy]:
| My concern is not so much that the list is getting too big or too
| busy, or too whatever, but that it is in grave danger of stagnating.
| In my mind, the older posters have (rightfully so) a "been there, done
| that" attitude: they've done the research and collaborated on the
| theories and drawn their conclusions, and don't really have much
| interest in watching the newbies start at square one all over again.

[Lee]:
Well, on the Battlestar Galactica list which I moderate, sometimes if
there's enough lag, old things wax new again and a fresh spin can be put on
something that older-list minds didn't see but one of the newer-list minds
comes up with.  Then, things can get interesting.
|
| >Kneasy:<snip>So call me a whiner - better to my mind than airily
| dismissing concerns  from the lofty eminence of 4 years on site. One
| stance is concerned about  maintaining reasonably adult standards; the
| other sees no cause to worry. Sorry, I think you're wrong. The
| complexion of the membership is changing, and not in a way I  feel
| comfortable with.

[Lee, breaking in]:
Been there, done that on the BSG list.  That's why I went from full-mod to
co-mod; I thought perhaps another voice, new blood, would be able to handle
the change of dynamic, climate, whatever you wish to call it.  We were a
very close-knit, tight group who shared a lot; now, I don't feel I really
know that many of the posters as well as I used to.  Of course, our volume
and numbers are no way as big as HPForGrownups!
|
[Entropy]:
| Once again, Kneasy, I agree. Whether or not  problems have been
| brought up in the past is no reason to dismiss them now.  Perhaps the
| complaints were unfounded in the past; or, perhaps those complaining
| two or three years ago simply saw then what has now reached critical mass.

[Lee]:
Or, perhaps, those complaining just lurk or left.
|
[Entropy]:
| In any case, it doesn't seem out of line to consider somehow splitting
| the list.  Although someone suggested that other lists have been
| divided by subject (Snape, FILKS, Ships, etc.), I don't think anything
| that drastic is necessary.  Simply splitting the list into two groups:
|
| (1) newbies who are excited about discovering older theories for
| themselves and
| (2) oldies who have a certain amount of time put into the group (or a
| certain number of posts)
| seems to me to be a fair way of keeping newer members happy and older
| members interested.
|
| Elves, are you listening?

[Lee]:
A newby list might be a good idea or maybe if there's someone with all the
information at hand who newbies can write to...who knows.  These,
unfortunately, are situations which probably always arise when running
lists.  <Sigh.> Like I say, been there, done that

One most important thing is *Consistency*.  Examples:
Any OT posts, for example, should either be 1) replied to off-list or 2)
directed here to the chatter list.
Movie & Canon comparisons might need their own list, I don't know.
People who are basing their views on the films instead of the books should
be redirected to the Movie list.
Whichever way one goes, absolute consistency is paramount.  IMO this goes
for the list-veterans as well as the newbies.

Anyway, I've still found some interesting threads to read and am certainly
enjoying the banter on this list.

The other thing to consider is that sometimes we get a case of "list
burnout".  That means that one needs to lay off for a couple months and give
it all a rest, then come back and see what the climate is.  Unfortunately,
as a Mod, I can't leave...I'm trapped on the BSG list! <BEG> But I've seen
listers do this...take a sabbatical for a couple months, then come back and
test the waters.

Anyway, there's no clear-cut answer; what will please some won't please all
and that's just the way it is.  I have to applaud the Elves; this isn't a
small group and takes a heck of a lot of work, I'm sure, to keep everything
running as smootly as it is.  Being a List Mom/Mod/Elf can be almost like
having a full-time job which can be rough, especially if one has an active
RL, too.

So, please, Elves, know that I understand and thank you for your efforts.

Cheers,
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jul 23 00:47:10 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:47:10 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hogwarts in the Context of the British Public School
In-Reply-To: <cdkem8+7192@eGroups.com>
References: <40FAA064.1346.792495@localhost>
Message-ID: <4100ECAE.5072.6BF2E7@localhost>

On 21 Jul 2004 at 0:51, justcarol67 wrote:

> Carol responds:
> I've noted the same problem, a number of (mostly youngish?) posters
> assuming that their assumptions about education are the only valid
> assumptions. Without getting into my own views on the subject, which
> no doubt would be attacked by younger posters indoctrinated in
> postmodernism, I think it might be a really good idea to present your
> ideas in simplified form, minus footnotes and academic language, on
> the main list. Long posts, as I know from my own experience, deter
> many readers, particularly the one who would benefit most from such
> information. I've argued repeatedly that the WW's standards are not
> those of the modern world and have been repeatedly resisted by those
> who see Dumbledore's policies as "wrong" and Snape's teaching methods
> as "abusive." (If they knew the disciplinary practices at Eton in the
> early nineteenth century, they might have a clearer idea of what abuse
> really is.)

I might produced a 'simplified' version - but the problem is, it 
wouldn't really be any simpler. The language I used in the post was 
pretty much my normal English - it wasn't intended to be overly 
academic - so all I'd really be doing is taking out the footnotes.

And they were included for a reason - to demonstrate that I wasn't 
positing just based on my own perceptions, or experiences - that 
it's not just my assertion that Hogwarts is like these schools, but 
I can provide specific sources that back up that assertion.

I'm not sure how to get that across - except to quote large 
sections of the books I cited, and that would greatly increase the 
size of the essay.

(I was thinking of a web version with the quotes hidden behind 
hyperlinks from the references, though - but before I can do that, 
I need to get hold a couple of the more obscure references again).

But the language itself would be basically the same.
 
> Your previous post, IIRC, was based on your experiences in an
> Australian boarding school. I think that a historical perspective is
> better for this particular purpose.

So do I - which is why I went for the historical approach. My 
experiences are, I think, very relevant, because of the type of 
school I attended, but most people aren't in a position to judge 
that (-8

> Carol, who hopes you'll follow up on this idea and not be discouraged
> by the lack of response to the more scholarly post
> 
> P.S. I looked up "meta-analysis" in my 1988 "Glossary of Literary
> Terms" and it wasn't there. I can't find a more recent glossary at the
> moment. Maybe the term came in with cultural criticism or
> deconstructionism? Those schools of thought (neither of which appeals
> to me) came in just as I was working on my dissertation, so I never
> mastered their terminology.

I couldn't say - I was taught literary criticism by a Jesuit who 
had a habit of stealing terms from any school of thought that took 
his fancy at the time (-8







Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jul 23 00:49:22 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:49:22 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdmq2c+eeud@eGroups.com>
References: <40FE38DE.17863.2D64D0@localhost>
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On 21 Jul 2004 at 22:17, davewitley wrote:

> It is a longstanding summer HPFGU tradition to whine about how the 
> list is going downhill.  The fact that people have crawled out of 
> the woodwork bang on cue says to me that the continuity in all this 
> far outweighs what is new.  In 2000, there was oldbie eye-rolling by 
> August about how newbies would ask about Dumbledore's gleam - less 
> than two months after GOF was published.

Just for the record, what I'm observing has nothing to do with 
summer - I've been noticing it since about October/November last 
year - since the initial post-OotP hype died down.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 01:20:33 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:20:33 -0000
Subject: Suggestion: A Guide for posts in HPfGU (Was: No responses on the main list)
In-Reply-To: <cdp65a+mf30@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdpp51+tvbf@eGroups.com>

> Entropy:
><snip> 
>Simply splitting the list into two groups: 
> 
> (1)newbies who are excited about discovering older theories for
> themselves and 
> (2) oldies who have a certain amount of time put into the group (or 
a
> certain number of posts)
> 
> seems to me to be a fair way of keeping newer members happy and 
older
> members interested.


Neri:
I have a suggestion that, I think, can be carried out whether or not 
any splitting or other actions take place.

I personally doubt the success of any method involving strong 
centralistic control and governing the members, such as (say) 
limiting them to a max of two posts per day, or preventing newbies 
from posting for several months after joining, or splitting the 
group. I think we need a positive approach, something that will be a 
refreshing alternative to all those short newbie posts like  "does 
anybody also think that The Other in the prophecy could be Neville?"

I think it is high time that the post-OotP HPfGU will have a Guide. 
I'm not thinking about anything neat like the "Fantastic Posts" site 
(this is impossible in the current very dynamic situation of the 
group). I'm thinking about a "favorite links" page that will replace 
the horrible search engine of Yahoo. It should be easily accessible, 
so most newbies, instead of posting "does anybody think that The 
Other in the prophecy could be Neville", will instead search the 
guide for this theory, and then will post only if they have a new and 
interesting thought.

I think such a link page can be easily assembled with a minimum 
effort by the list elves (or anybody who will volunteer to edit it. I 
personally would be glad to help). The trick is to delegate the 
tedious work of searching and sifting the good posts to the members. 
Simply ask the members to send links to posts from the last year 
(theirs or of other members) that they think are original, canon-
based, well-written and/or started an interesting thread. Each 
submitted post should include the link, a single line describing its 
subject, and another line listing several key words that did not make 
it to the subject line (these key words are in order to help readers 
to find posts in the subject that they are interested with). To make 
the work of the editors even easier, the members should also 
recommend possible sections where this post might logically be placed.

So for example, if I submit one of my recent posts it will look like 
this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/106729
Bellatrix, Andromeda and Narcissa according to the Black's family 
tree.
(12 Grimmauld Place, tapestry, Sirius, Rudolphus Lestrange, Ted 
Tonks, genealogy) 

Possible sections: "The Black family", "Minor characters", "Time 
lines"


The editors of the Guide will only have to sort these links according 
to the sections suggested, or any other classification they will find 
convenient. I expect sections such as "Prophecy 
Interpretations", "The Gleam in DD's Eyes", "Severus Snape", "Neville 
Longbottom", "Minor Characters", "H/H SHIP", "Flints and 
Inconsistencies", "Life in the WW", and so on.

I won't be surprised if the ensuing list will contain links to 
several hundred posts, but it will still be easy to search, using the 
browser's "search in page" function or according to the sections. The 
link for "The HPfGU Guide" should be placed in the opening page of 
the website in a noticeable way, and newbies should be encouraged by 
ADNIN to search it before posting. 

The Guide can be important for demonstrating to newbies what is the 
style of the group and what are the qualities of a good post. It may 
also encourage even old timers to go into the effort of writing a 
well thought-of post, so it will be worthy of Guide status. In 
addition, I'm hoping some members will use the Guide to 
write "review" posts that cover many posts of a whole subject, such 
as Elkins' memorable Memory Charm symposium. Perhaps in the future 
when the Guide will (almost certainly) become too large for 
convenient searching, such review posts will be able to serve as a 
Guide to the Guide.

I'm sure other members can improve this idea further. 

Neri, 
who was a newbie less than a year ago 





From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 01:05:21 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:05:21 -0400
Subject: Members' Ages - Thread Moved from Main List
Message-ID: <003401c47051$21778780$1502a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

      From:  "Miller, Gina (JIS)" <ginamiller at jis.nashville.org> 
      Date:  Thu Jul 22, 2004  2:32 pm 
      Subject:  Possibly OT members ages

     
                 
           
      I thought when I signed in for this group the age was 21+ is that true? I
      would be curious to know how old our members are just to see the ranges we
      have on this one list.

      Gina A. Miller

      -------------------

            From:  udder_pen_dragon <udderpd at yahoo.co.uk> 
            Date:  Thu Jul 22, 2004  6:19 pm 
            Subject:  Re: [HPforGrownups] Possibly OT members ages

           
                        ADVERTISEMENT
                          
                 


            "Miller, Gina (JIS)" <ginamiller at jis.nashville.org> wrote:
            Gina A. Miller wrote
            I thought when I signed in for this group the age was 21+ is that true? I
            would be curious to know how old our members are just to see the ranges we
            have on this one list.



            udderpd

            I am 63 years young and I noticed that although Gina asked the question she did
            not tell us her age?

            TTFN Udder PenDragon

            -------------------------------------

                  From:  "potioncat" <willsonkmom at msn.com> 
                  Date:  Thu Jul 22, 2004  7:51 pm 
                  Subject:  Re: Possibly OT members ages

                 
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                  -Gina wrote:
                  I would be curious to know how old our members are just to see the
                  ranges we have on this one list.

                  > udderpd replied:
                  >
                  > I am 63 years young and I noticed that although Gina asked the
                  question she did not tell us her age?
                  >

                  Potioncat:
                  There is a site on the poll section that lists ages. I know because
                  something along this line came up not long ago. I wonder if we
                  should see about renewing the poll to see what the age range is
                  now? How would we go about starting one? And perhaps this one
                  should go in increments to 70? 80? I think the cut off on the
                  current is 55 and up?

                  Potioncat (who is ever so much more than 20...)


                 




           


     


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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 01:48:35 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:48:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEJODCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040723014835.91272.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)"
<n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:
> Now, I've got to admit, I joined the HPFGU Main List
> in--uh--hmm--April, I
> think?...well, anyway, I did *scan* the FAQ files
> and tried to absorb the
> acronyms with little success. :-) There's just sooo
> much info to read
> through fully.  But I at least felt pretty
> comfortable popping in.
> 
> When I posted, I tried to devote a great deal of
> care to my posts and did
> all I could to adhere to List Protocols, and had
> lots of fun.

Well, I'm definitely no authority on the workings of
the main list and I don't feel that I have the right
to criticize or complain, but I do have a few
thoughts. I joined only a few weeks back and I now
have about 500 unread daily digests sitting in my
newly expanded Yahoo inbox. The volume is part of what
has me so behind, but also the feeling that I rather
"missed the boat" - that the people on the list all
know one another, are familiar with each other's
personal theories, pet peeves, and interests and that
I as a new member have nothing to add - or, at least,
nothing that anyone will really care to read.

I know the rules are absolutely necessary, and they do
help familiarize new members to some extent. And I can
completely understand the frustration of having new
people pop up and ask the same old tired questions
that have been discussed a million times before. But
even with the ability to search the archives for
specific topics, the sheer amount of posts - and the
length of time over which they may be spread - makes
it very, very difficult to read everything that has
been said on a given subject.

In short, joining the main list can be a very daunting
proposition to some new members, and if there is a
lack of "new blood" as has been mentioned, that might
be a reason.
 
> As of late, however, some of the thrust of some of
> the threads makes me
> wonder if I've read the same books as some of the
> posters out there...no
> offense, but some of the stuff just totally eludes
> me.  Perhaps I'm
> too--uh--concrete in my thinking that not every line
> has to allude to or
> foreshadow something...

Yes, this may also be a bit off-putting to some new
members. I don't mean to say that everyone shouldn't
have the right to bring up such theories - that's part
of the fun of these books - but if some members have
theories which they'd like to share which are... a bit
less complex, they may feel they're going to get booed
off the stage by members who have studied the books
much more intently.

> [Lee]:
> A newby list might be a good idea or maybe if
> there's someone with all the
> information at hand who newbies can write to...who
> knows.  These,
> unfortunately, are situations which probably always
> arise when running
> lists.  <Sigh.> Like I say, been there, done that

I think the idea of having two lists is a great one.
One list for newer members who might be interested in
rehashing the old theories that - even though they're
adult fans - may be completely new to them. The second
list could be for the more established members, those
who have exhausted such topics and - after having made
a certain number of posts or being nominated by a mod?
- desire to join in different conversations. The idea
of having a moderator very familiar with the
discussions on the main list is also a very good one.
That way new members could e-mail them, run a topic by
them, and - if it were the vampire Snape theory, for
instance - the moderator could advise them not to
bring it up and perhaps where they could read about it
in the archive.

People are often pressed for time and, while it's
completely reasonable to search the archive and read a
few posts on a topic of interest, I don't think anyone
has time to wade through hundreds upon hundreds of
messages to familiarize themselves with the
intricacies of a particular theory or long-running
conversation. This is especially true when people are
excited and eager to express themselves. They're more
likely to end up not posting at all, too worried that
they might get a negative reception for broaching the
subject. Again, I understand that this has to be
weighed with the absolute need to avoid pointless
posts asking the same old questions - but it can also
be very intimidating.

Just my thoughts, Lanthiriel - who thinks the
"Fantastic Posts" page is also wonderful, but who
still feels rather lost


	
		
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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 23 01:51:28 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (saitaina)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:51:28 -0700
Subject: Posting value, ages and genral comment (was: Responses ont he Main List)
References: <cdpm68+d10q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003601c47057$925dc120$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Steve wrote:

<However, I suspect the Moderator were hoping
that
the thread would eventually pull back on
track. >

I think we're still holding onto that hope.

<I think, though, that sometimes it's a
difficult judgement
call as to whether to shut-down, or move a
thread. >

Very, very difficult.  For example, if we
pull one thread but let one stay, we run the
risk of one going way off topic, one turning
into a flame war, or the people we move
flooding our inboxes with howlers.  We have
to balance the needs of the list with respect
for list members, adding in a dash of common
sense and hope that we make the right choice
in the end.

 Not to mention, there are thirty (more or
less) elves trying to make this decision at
once so we too seem to be ignoring things
when we're actually trying to figure out what
to do.  Please note that this applies to
everything we do, not just pulling lists.

<I remember when I first started and was
under Moderated status, and
even after Moderated status, I once accused
(although, I tried to be
polite) the Mods of being 'anally retentive
and obssessed' (really, I
did it in a polite way) for demanding such
ridged adherence to the
posting rules. >

Oh, you were one of those?  :o)

<Although, is there really
any point in reponding to a post that was
made in 2000?>

Reviving dead topics is a hobby in HPfGU's
worlds.  I fully support anyone who wants to
go back and revive dead topics so long as
they're not the gleam in Dumbledore's eyes
one (sorry, pet peeve of mine).  New faces,
new voices often have different views and
opinions which lead to interesting
conversation.

Kneasy wrote:

<BTW, there  was a post today wondering at
the ages of the posters;
it's crossed my mind too. >

Someone's probably mentioned this but there
is a poll near the main list that addresses
this question.  The average age, last time I
looked, was 18-25, but we do have younger
members.  I myself almost joined young (then
I waited a year and joined).

Heidi wrote:

<but there were discussionsin 2001, in 2002
and in 2003 about
closing the list to newbies>

Still ongoing.

As Dave has said though, lulls in posting
quality and volume happen, and have happened
for years, and as Heidi pointed out, the list
is ever changing.  Heck, I remember a time
before -OTC and -Movie (goddess, does anyone
remember HPfGU-Food?).  I would never give up
HPfGU, no matter what the change in
quality/volume because I've been out there in
the wilds of the HP fandom.

You guys think this is bad...go join some of
the other HP lists, and tell me when you can
translate the netspeak, bad plot theories
(and yes there are some worse ones then what
we come up with), the posting style that will
make you go cross eyed trying to figure out
what's being said, and so forth.

Give it time, as we all do.  It'll go up,
it'll go down...it may even go sideways, but
it'll still be the HPfGU we know and love.

Saitaina
Not speaking as an Admin Team member, but a
list member who happens to be on the Admin
Team (and if you think that's confusing you
should see what I first wrote)
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 02:11:27 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Lemony Snicket Books
In-Reply-To: <cdpa51+hgqt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040723021127.92489.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>

--- entropymail <entropymail at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn
> Wolber
> <katydid3500 at y...> wrote:
> > I have a quick question for someone who's read the
> > Series of Unfortunate Events books. I requested
> the
> > first 4 from the library to read on vacation but
> only
> > books 2-4 got here in time. If I skip "The Bad
> > Beginning" for now and start on the second book
> will I
> > understand what's going on or is it the kind of
> series
> > where I'd be totally lost?
> 
> No, my sons and I have read them all and, although
> it would probably
> be best to read them in order, I think Book 2 gives
> you enough
> background (within the first few pages) of Book 1 to
> get you up to speed.
> 
> :: Entropy ::

Thanks for the info! At the most I'll only be going a
week without reading it so hopefully I'll catch on:)
Have a good week everyone! I can't wait to get back
and try to catch up on about 2000 messages on the main
list;)

~Kathryn 



	
		
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 02:21:37 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:21:37 -0000
Subject: Members' Ages - Thread Moved from Main List
In-Reply-To: <003401c47051$21778780$1502a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <cdpsnh+u1us@eGroups.com>

         
>Potioncat:
>                   There is a site on the poll section that lists 
ages. I know because
>                   something along this line came up not long ago. I 
wonder if we
>                   should see about renewing the poll to see what 
the age range is
>                   now? How would we go about starting one? And 
perhaps this one
>                   should go in increments to 70? 80? I think the 
cut off on the
>                   current is 55 and up?
> 
>                   Potioncat (who is ever so much more than 20...)
> 



Alla: LOL! Yes, more than twenty that would be me. I think if I put 
late twenties - early thirties, that would be close enough. :o)




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 02:55:36 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:55:36 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: Stalagmites & stalagtites?
Message-ID: <cdpun8+gn1v@eGroups.com>

Forwarded from main list:

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Adan" <adanabbett at y...> wrote:
All of this talk about stalactites and stalagmites has been 
socializing with all of my other HP minutiae and now leads me to ask 
this seemingly off-the-wall OT question:

Are there any salt caves in the UK?  
[If yes, location(s) would be appreciated.]

I know.  Weird question.  But it goes into a wild theory building in 
my head that I haven't been able to put together just yet.  
Hopefully, someone on this list will know the answer so that I can 
move on or abandon said theory once and for all.

Adan, who learned the C-ceiling, G-ground method oh so many years ago
--- End forwarded message ---





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 02:27:02 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:27:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Lemony Snicket Books
References: <20040723021127.92489.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c4705c$89d498d0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Sheesh, I couldn't abide those books--I mean, can you say boring?  Well, my
grandmother always said it takes all kinds to make a world.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 03:26:30 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:26:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lemony Snicket Books
References: <20040722201434.12944.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02fc01c47064$d8c02c90$e60b8f45@Voov>

Hi, Kathryn, considering that I read the first three which were the only
ones available in Braille I'd say you won't be lost completely.  The upshot
is that the  Baudelaire children were left parentless due to a house fire I
believe it was and all these dreadful things keep happening to them.  A
dismal series of books to be sure with very little joy in them.  I prefer
Harry any day any way.

Littlekat





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 08:50:18 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Lemony Snicket Books
In-Reply-To: <00a701c4705c$89d498d0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <20040723085018.87863.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>

I have to agree with Firedancer.  
I first got into the Potter books because another adult recommended them in 1999 or so.  Since then I have tried some other "children's books".  Lemon Snicket is quite the yawn fest.  I really wanted to like it, but alas.  Other yawns that many people say are good...Eragon, Inkheart (though the the Thief Lord was mostly tolerable), and the Artimus (sp?) Fowl books... I only read the first one and had two good laughs, unfortunately they were towards the end of the book. 
However, Philip Pullman's 'His Dark Materials' trilogy kicks and so does Neil Gaiman's 'Caroline'.

Firedancer <firedancerflash at comcast.net> wrote:
Sheesh, I couldn't abide those books--I mean, can you say boring?  Well, my
grandmother always said it takes all kinds to make a world.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June




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From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 23 12:01:17 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:01:17 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
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Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at y...> wrote:
[snip]
> The volume is part of what
> has me so behind, but also the feeling that I rather
> "missed the boat" - that the people on the list all
> know one another, are familiar with each other's
> personal theories, pet peeves, and interests and that
> I as a new member have nothing to add - or, at least,
> nothing that anyone will really care to read.

I agree. Many of the "threads" come across as almost-private
conversations between good friends to which the rest of us are
graciously allowed to listen.

I also get discouraged by the lack of logic and rigour in many of the
arguments. I commented on this, in connection with the time-travel
mania some while back, saying that it felt as if many posters each had
their own pet mcguffin which they were determined to interject into
the discussion regardless of whether there was any support for it in
canon.

Some people are desperate for a time-travel story, so they will try to
work that into the HP series, disregarding all the warnings about it
stated within canon. Suggesting that Dumbledore *must* be Ron Weasley
sent back in time, despite all the back-story about DD in canon, and
the absurdity of such a prominent figure springing up out of nowhere,
is a prime example.

Some people like the idea of good literature about gay relationships,
which includes myself (emphasis on the "good" there, and I include
various books by Misty Lackey amongst my "favourite ever" list). But
there's no reason to jump up and down insisting that Lupin and Sirius
*must* be lovers, for example. Maybe JKR will incorporate a character
who is openly gay, maybe she won't. I don't happen to think it will
make the books bad literature if she never does.

Actually I think the main "miscreants" are those who have chosen their
favourite character, or at any rate their *interpretation* of that
character, and are prepared to defend their opinion to the death.

As for what I think about people who haven't learnt what "snippage" is
and just quote entire posts because they're too lazy to edit, I'm
afraid as a long-ago Usenet freak, my opinion is well-nigh
unprintable. It just gets impossible to read a conversation when the
individual posts are badly formatted and too convoluted to follow. I
just scroll past most of this stuff.

Sorry, this started out as a quick comment, and seems to have turned
into a minor rant. Lunchtime beckons :-)
-- 
Phil




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jul 23 13:32:32 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:32:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was:
 Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cdqumd+o2eh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEKJDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Phil B., on a roll, wrote]:
|
| Some people are desperate for a time-travel story, so they will try to
| work that into the HP series, disregarding all the warnings about it
| stated within canon. Suggesting that Dumbledore *must* be Ron Weasley
| sent back in time, despite all the back-story about DD in canon, and
| the absurdity of such a prominent figure springing up out of nowhere,
| is a prime example.

[Lee]:
That's one of the things that makes me wonder if I've really read the same
HP books as everyone else. <LOL>

[Phil]:
<Snip>
| As for what I think about people who haven't learnt what "snippage" is
| and just quote entire posts because they're too lazy to edit, I'm
| afraid as a long-ago Usenet freak, my opinion is well-nigh
| unprintable. It just gets impossible to read a conversation when the
| individual posts are badly formatted and too convoluted to follow. I
| just scroll past most of this stuff.

[Lee]:
Yes, and the lack of proper attribution on some of the posts makes it
difficult to know who's speaking, especially for those of us with screen
readers, unless I manually cursor through and look for all the prefix marks.
I do think the policy on correct attribution is really a great one; let's
all hold to it.

And spell-checkers...I'd be lost without mine, for sure.  Not that I'm a
terrible speller, but when typing fast, errors can occur and the
spell-checker is my friend.  I've taught it a lot, too, between HP and
Battlestar terminology. <LOL>

And, of course, there's post signing...something I'm always attacking my BSG
list people about, for all the good it does. <Sigh> :-)

[Phil]:
| Sorry, this started out as a quick comment, and seems to have turned
| into a minor rant. Lunchtime beckons :-)

Hmm--I just had breakfast at the frightfully early hour of 8:30 A.M., which
is almost unheard of in this house! <Grin>

Rants are not necessarily a bad thing, for you never know who may be
secretly ranting with you and just afraid to post it for whatever reason.

However, at this point, I shall disband and march my little self downstairs
for my second coffee...or third...or... :-)

Later,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 13:39:01 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:39:01 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
Message-ID: <cdr4dl+56tj@eGroups.com>

I had posted this a few times on the main list but received very 
little response.  I find it amusing that I am apologizing for this 
being canon given that this is an OT list.  However, I am posting it 
here because I sincerely want the opinion of others and the main 
list just is not delivering.

We know a little about Grindelwald.  
1.  He was the most powerful dark wizard whom DD defeated in 1945.

2.  Some have speculated that he had something to do with World War 
II, give the date.  I do not assume he was Hitler as some do, but I 
do believe that the war in the wizarding world either affected or 
was effected by WWII in the muggle world.

3.  Grindelwald was mentioned the PS/SS on the back of DD's 
chocolate frog card along with Flamel.  We learned about Flamel but 
not much about Grindelwald.


So now I have listed what I know, let me try to explain my questions 
that I really would like others' opinions about.  First, the timing, 
to me, is too suspect to not wonder what connection he may have with 
Tom Riddle, who eventually became LV.  Is what makes LV the greatest 
dark wizard also what empowered Grindelwald?  Could this also be 
what made Salazar Slytherin turn after the four founded Hogwarts?  
I'm NOT talking about some possession thing (which was the only 
response I got from the main list and the person then went off on 
me).  I'm thinking more of a LOTR ring of absolute power kind of 
idea.  A "power" that is so tempting that people (wizards) will go 
to any length to acquire and use it.  

Second, could this be what defeats LV?  Harry, who is a powerful 
wizard, is offered this power, possibly after LV is defeated (and 
TOm Riddle redeemed?).  Harry defeats this dark power by making the 
CHOICE not to succoumb, thus destroying it.  (Part of this is 
gleaned from an essay on Mugglenet about the prophesy and the 
diference between the personas of LV and "The Boy Who Lived" versus 
the persons of Tom Riddle and Harry Potter.)

This already is a post longer than I would want to read, so I will 
close.  I hope others find this intriguing as well.

Julie




From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 13:57:54 2004
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:57:54 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <20040723014835.91272.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdr5h2+jcn4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Lanthiriel S 
<isilvalacirca at y...> wrote:
<BIG HUGE SNIP (something else I notice that has been missing on a 
number of posts (AG)>

> I think the idea of having two lists is a great one.
> One list for newer members who might be interested in
> rehashing the old theories that - even though they're
> adult fans - may be completely new to them. The second
> list could be for the more established members, those
> who have exhausted such topics and - after having made
> a certain number of posts or being nominated by a mod?
> - desire to join in different conversations. The idea
> of having a moderator very familiar with the
> discussions on the main list is also a very good one.
> That way new members could e-mail them, run a topic by
> them, and - if it were the vampire Snape theory, for
> instance - the moderator could advise them not to
> bring it up and perhaps where they could read about it
> in the archive.
> <SNIP> 

> Just my thoughts, Lanthiriel - who thinks the
> "Fantastic Posts" page is also wonderful, but who
> still feels rather lost
 <SNIP>

A. Goldfeesh says...(this isn't personally directed at Lanthiriel)

The only problem with having two lists-especially one that could be 
seen as exclusive- is that some posters would feel discrimminated 
against.  I recall the whole debacle right after OOP was released 
when an ex-member with a grievance dropped the hint that some of 
the "classic" posters had made their own list.  Many excluded 
posters felt angry and betrayed just by not being in the "in group" 
and imagining that the posts on the exclusive group were essays of 
brilliance that were being withheld from HPFGUs.  It was just an 
ugly, bitter time that can be read about in OT and in the Feedback 
forum.  Splitting, I don't think, is an answer.

Personally, I don't think list quality has really dropped too much 
from when I first joined in Nov. 2001.  I have been on a long hiatus 
from the main list.  However, in the last week I've read the first 
half (or less- but it feels like half) of July since I'd like to see 
what's going on on the main list again now that I have enough space 
on Yahoo to get individual messages. Having 100mbs allows a few *g* 
messages to pile up before overfilling the mailbox.

Some (well, many) of the topics are the same but it is interesting 
to see some new spins put on them.  The Snape/Sirius discussions 
have been going on even before I joined the lists, the Prank is 
still discussed I find, with The Worst Memory thrown in as 
well.  "Everything old is new again" along with "there is nothing 
new under the sun." *S*   I do agree, though, that an easier way to 
find old posts or even threads is needed as a supplement to 
Yahoo's "search engine".  It would also be nice to see 
the "Fantastic Posts" updated to include OOP.  I'm sure volunteers 
would come out of the woodwork if the call were made.


A Goldfeesh (who hadn't planned to be anywhere near this verbose)




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jul 23 14:26:15 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:26:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cdr4dl+56tj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEKLDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

My whole take on this is probably going to be from a Christian slant.  I
have no facts or history or texts to back it up; this is all simply my
opinion.

We know that there is good, (God), and evil (the angel of Light who cursed
God).  I put it this way because the dark power which is so tempting comes
from the Prince of Darkness who was once this angel of Light and still knows
how to look like one, so to speak.

So, in this context, it's sort of like the power of the one ring to rule
them all and in the darkness bind them.  Seduce with light and the idea that
there really is no good or evil, only power; once seduction is complete,
then the binding, be it to an ideology or whatever.

In Salazar's case, the whole idea of the pureblood probably started with the
best of intentions but became corrupted; no doubt this "Prince of Darkness"
power settled in to work planting thoughts and ideas in Salazar's mind,
working and weaving a lovely deception which Salazar felt was a truth.

After him, we get Grindelwald, a wizard similarly corrupted and seduced into
using his power for purposes most would consider evil, except those who
would also be led/seduced into that ideology.

After that, we have Tom Riddle, a young lad disillusioned with life, wanting
to control his own destiny, easily a target for such lovely seduction and
deception.  He's a perfect candidate for such a tempting power...the power
to control not only his destiny but that of others, etc., etc.

The personality of Tom can make a choice and chooses to follow the seductor,
so to speak; it's easy, it feels good, it can open him to power beyond his
wildest dreams...and it's the bad way to go for most thinking wizards, but
he doesn't see it this way.  He falls into this trap an is now ruled and
bound by this power.

Harry, on the other hand, has within him the capacity to love honestly, love
deeply; these are products of the good (god) and abhorred by the Dark One.
It is this power, IMO, which stay's Harry's hand, so to speak, and gives him
the stability to make his choices and try to do what's right.

Dumbledore, of course, the one wizard that LV fears, is like Gandalf, IMO;
Harry is a desperately searching Frodo.  Voldy is a Soromon who could have
been the White but is now "all colors," so to speak, ruled and bound by/in
the darkness.

Anyway, that's sort of my take on this.  Forgive the length and rambling.

Again, this is all just my opinion.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From erinellii at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 14:34:17 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:34:17 -0000
Subject: Pet Theories  (Re: No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdqumd+o2eh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdr7l9+6b5s@eGroups.com>

Phil wrote:
... it felt as if many posters each had their own pet mcguffin which 
they were determined to interject into the discussion regardless of 
whether there was any support for it in canon. <snip>  I think the 
main "miscreants" are those who have chosen their favourite 
character, or at any rate their *interpretation* of that character, 
and are prepared to defend their opinion to the death.


Now Erin says:
I don't know, Phil.  I've been with HPfGU a year(I don't post much), 
and I think that people willing to defend their theories is one of 
the things that makes the list great.  A lot of times this is the 
only way a new theory gets any attention; if someone is willing to 
stay with it and plug it at every opportunity until it gets some 
discussion.

I agree, though, that people should definitely be citing canon in 
their arguments, or at least include a link to an earlier post if 
their theory has one defining post where they've laid out all the 
canon.  I point to Pippin on the main list as someone who always does 
the thing correctly, no matter how many times she's done it before.

Done properly, people defending theories is the cornerstone of this 
list.  Without it, all we'd have would be a bunch of newbies sitting 
around going "Say, did you notice that gleam in Dumbledore's eye?  
What d'you suppose *that* means?"


Now Phil gives some examples: 
> Some people are desperate for a time-travel story, so they will try 
to work that into the HP series, disregarding all the warnings about 
it stated within canon. Suggesting that Dumbledore *must* be Ron 
Weasley sent back in time, despite all the back-story about DD in 
canon, and the absurdity of such a prominent figure springing up out 
of nowhere, is a prime example.


Erin: 
You must have been reading the wrong posts on this theory.  I don't 
believe it myself, but I could come up with a buttload of supporting 
canon evidence in a heartbeat.  And I'm not sure what you mean 
by "warnings about it stated in canon"  Perhaps you're talking about 
Hermione's "plenty of wizards have killed their past or future selves 
by mistake"?  Easily gotten around, as Ron going back 135 years or so 
wouldn't be likely to meet his past self, would he?  Or 
Dumbledore's "You know the law, Miss Granger, you know what is at 
stake"?  Well, the law doesn't seem to be "thou shalt not muck 
around," but rather "thou must not be seen to be mucking around".  
The trio has broken the law before (time turner, helping Sirius Black 
escape)  and there's nothing to say they wouldn't do it again if the 
need was great.  

All the backstory about DD?  You mean his awards and such?  Easily 
countered.  The only important thing is that the earliest bit of DD 
backstory is him passing his N.E.W.T.s.  As Ron hasn't yet reached 
N.E.W.T. age yet, he could easily nip back in time, claim to be a 
transfer student from another school, take his N.E.W.T.s, and live 
out the rest of his life as Dumbledore.

No, the Dumbledore=Ron theory is not your best bet for an example of 
this kind, I'm afraid.  Vampire!Snape is more what you're looking 
for :-)  Or HalfDementor!Snape.  Or the alchemy people, some of whom 
are truly scary.


Another example from Phil:
 there's no reason to jump up and down insisting that Lupin and 
Sirius *must* be lovers, for example. Maybe JKR will incorporate a 
character who is openly gay, maybe she won't. I don't happen to think 
it will make the books bad literature if she never does.


Erin:
You seem to be picking out not the theories that have no backup 
canon, but the ones that irritate you personally.  Dude, just skip 
over them.  

No, there's no reason to jump up and down (other than Lupin moving in 
with Sirius, the two of them giving Harry a joint gift, etc., etc.) 
but then there's no particular reason to espouse *any* Harry Potter 
theory, except that we like the books.  If it makes people happy and 
they have canon to back it up, leave 'em alone.


Phil again: 
> As for what I think about people who haven't learnt what "snippage" 
is and just quote entire posts because they're too lazy to edit, I'm
> afraid as a long-ago Usenet freak, my opinion is well-nigh
> unprintable. 


Erin:
On this we are in total agreement.



--Erin






From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Fri Jul 23 15:31:54 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:31:54 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lemony Snicket Books
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15DC10F4@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

Kathryn asked:
 >>>  If I skip "The Bad  Beginning" for now and start on the second
book will I  understand what's going on or is it the kind of series
where I'd be totally  lost? <<< 
 
You won't be totally lost, but there is a gradual build up of
clue-fragments through the whole series so I think they are much better
read in order. Several other posts have said how much they disliked the
Snicket series so I'd just like to post some redress. They are fantastic
works. Really gripping and really funny and with a very clever use of
language and language play. I don't think they have enough in common
with the HP books for a comparison to be useful. They are both book
series for kids. They are both in progress. They are both wonderful.
They are both popular. That's where the comparison ends.

It's very funny the way Snicket convinces the reader that nothing good
at all happens in the books, and that each will end badly while he is
actually showing us how the children's immense resourcefulness always
saves them at the last minute. (But if you need your kid's books to have
strong adult roles in, then these are not the books for you.)

There are some fun Snicket web resources for adult Snicket readers,
e.g.:  http://www.quidditch.com/lemony%20snicket.htm

Oh, and the illustrations are fabulous, and the dedications, and the
"about the author"s, and, and, ...

Cheers,

Dumbledad.

PS I DO NOT like his adult books, I'd give them a wide berth.

PPS While I'm on the subject of adult books by children's authors, has
anyone tried Jacqueline Wilson's adult books? What are they like?



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jul 23 17:22:35 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:22:35 -0000
Subject: Pet Theories  (Re: No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdr7l9+6b5s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdrhgr+ase4@eGroups.com>

Erin wrote (about theories pressed despite lack of canon support):

> No, the Dumbledore=Ron theory is not your best bet for an example 
of 
> this kind, I'm afraid.  Vampire!Snape is more what you're looking 
> for :-)  Or HalfDementor!Snape.

I agree totally.  Careful examination of Snape's ability to glide 
quietly, his effect on student morale, and his ability to bring bad 
memories to mind, show that he can at most be 7/16ths Dementor.

However, I calculate that he might just have an additional 3/32nds 
Lethifold in him, which would bring the non-human component just 
over half.

David






From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 23 18:44:45 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:44:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pet Theories  (Re: No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdrhgr+ase4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040723184445.10926.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:
Erin wrote (about theories pressed despite lack of canon support):

> No, the Dumbledore=Ron theory is not your best bet for an example 
of 
> this kind, I'm afraid. Vampire!Snape is more what you're looking 
> for :-) Or HalfDementor!Snape.


David wrote


I agree totally. Careful examination of Snape's ability to glide 
quietly, his effect on student morale, and his ability to bring bad 
memories to mind, show that he can at most be 7/16ths Dementor.

However, I calculate that he might just have an additional 3/32nds 
Lethifold in him, which would bring the non-human component just 
over half.


Udderpd

This adds up to 17/32 and if this was the case then surely Harry's Patrous would have had him in PoA. Pitty I would have liked that.

TTFN  Udder PenDragon




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From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 19:46:59 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:46:59 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
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<snip>
> The personality of Tom can make a choice and chooses to follow the 
seductor,
> so to speak; it's easy, it feels good, it can open him to power 
beyond his
> wildest dreams...and it's the bad way to go for most thinking 
wizards, but
> he doesn't see it this way.  He falls into this trap an is now 
ruled and
> bound by this power.
> 
> Harry, on the other hand, has within him the capacity to love 
honestly, love
> deeply; these are products of the good (god) and abhorred by the 
Dark One.
> It is this power, IMO, which stay's Harry's hand, so to speak, and 
gives him
> the stability to make his choices and try to do what's right.
> 
><snip>

Lee, once again very close to my thoughts.  Another question...Can 
Tom Riddle be redeemed and LV destroyed?  Crucify the old man, so to 
speak.  Given JKR's perspective, I think this is a plausible 
hypothesis for an ending.  Overcoming hate with love, evil with 
good, power with meekness, obsession with humility.

Julie




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Fri Jul 23 21:52:10 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:52:10 -0000
Subject: Pet Theories  (Re: No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdr7l9+6b5s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cds1aa+6tds@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erin" 
<erinellii at y...> wrote:
> Phil wrote:
> ... it felt as if many posters each had their own pet mcguffin 
which  they were determined to interject into the discussion 
regardless of  whether there was any support for it in canon. 
<snip>  I think the  main "miscreants" are those who have 
chosen their favourite character, or at any rate their 
*interpretation* of that character, and are prepared to defend 
their opinion to the death.<
 

Erin:
> No, the Dumbledore=Ron theory is not your best bet for an 
example of  this kind, I'm afraid.  Vampire!Snape is more what 
you're looking for :-)  <

Eh? Vampire!Snape has canon support. You may consider it 
convoluted, unconvincing canon support, but it's not non-existent.  

It seems to me it's the  objections to Snape as vampire or part 
vampire or former vampire that are not canon-based, ie  
"vampires are dead," "vampires are destroyed by sunlight." 
Convoluted explanations are necessary only if one accepts 
these non-canon "facts" as essential parts of JKR's vampires.

Now one could argue that  JKR's vampires must have some 
correspondence with existing vampire lore, because otherwise 
why would she call them vampires? 

But if she wanted to show us something about the difficulties of 
seeing beyond stereotypes, then she'd need to pick a creature 
for which a stereotype already exists. Enter the vampire.


Pippin
Who thinks people are a little too ready to  deny  the 
possibility that JKR gives tricky answers, even though she's said 
that readers like to be tricked. After all, she's not about to be 
*caught* tricking us, is she? Not till Book Seven reveals All.







From greatelderone at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 22:11:15 2004
From: greatelderone at yahoo.com (greatelderone)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:11:15 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cdr4dl+56tj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cds2e3+1qsg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> So now I have listed what I know, let me try to explain my 
questions 
> that I really would like others' opinions about.  First, the 
timing, 
> to me, is too suspect to not wonder what connection he may have 
with 
> Tom Riddle, who eventually became LV.  Is what makes LV the 
greatest 
> dark wizard also what empowered Grindelwald?  Could this also be 
> what made Salazar Slytherin turn after the four founded Hogwarts?  
> I'm NOT talking about some possession thing (which was the only 
> response I got from the main list and the person then went off on 
> me).  I'm thinking more of a LOTR ring of absolute power kind of 
> idea.  A "power" that is so tempting that people (wizards) will go 
> to any length to acquire and use it.  

GEO: I think in the case of Voldemort that the Ring of Power here is 
the Dark Arts which is akin to the Dark Side in Star Wars with power 
given inexchange for your decency. The cruciatus curse is an example 
and the various methods that Voldemort had to use to sustain himself 
after he was defeated.

> 
> Second, could this be what defeats LV?  Harry, who is a powerful 
> wizard, is offered this power, possibly after LV is defeated (and 
> TOm Riddle redeemed?).  

GEO: Dude Voldemort is too far gone for redemption. He has killed 
far too many wizards and done too much that no measure of penance 
can repay what he has done.





From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 08:36:03 2004
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:36:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: JKR Expecting Third Child
Message-ID: <20040724083603.2466.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>

Jo knows us entirely too well; with this news comes 
assurance that Book Six is still on track.  <whew!>

To read this announcement in JKR's own words go to 
the "News" section of her site or try

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/news_view.cfm?id=79

Petra, now willing to learn to be a midwife
a
n  ;p


		
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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sat Jul 24 11:12:42 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:12:42 -0000
Subject: Pet Theories  (Re: No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdr7l9+6b5s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdtg7a+6122@eGroups.com>

Phil: 
> > Some people are desperate for a time-travel story, so they will 
try 
> to work that into the HP series, disregarding all the warnings 
about 
> it stated within canon. Suggesting that Dumbledore *must* be Ron 
> Weasley sent back in time, despite all the back-story about DD in 
> canon, and the absurdity of such a prominent figure springing up 
out 
> of nowhere, is a prime example.

> Erin: 
And I'm not sure what you mean 
> by "warnings about it stated in canon"  Perhaps you're talking 
about 
> Hermione's "plenty of wizards have killed their past or future 
selves 
> by mistake"?  Easily gotten around, as Ron going back 135 years or 
so 
> wouldn't be likely to meet his past self, would he?  Or 
> Dumbledore's "You know the law, Miss Granger, you know what is at 
> stake"?  Well, the law doesn't seem to be "thou shalt not muck 
> around," but rather "thou must not be seen to be mucking 
around".    

But there are also *huge* practical difficulties with this theory.  
By my calculations Ron would have to turn over the hourglass, oh, 
about 1.1 million times to go back 135 years.  And even if he got a 
special year-by-year timeturner, I keep conjuring up this scenario:

Ron, holding an enormous time-turner hanging like an albatross from 
his neck:  "One, two, three . . . twenty-three, twenty-four . . . 
ninety-six, ninety-seven, [hears someone calling him] be there in a 
minute, ninety-nine (or was it ninety-eight) . . . ."

What Phil and Erin have demonstrated is that every member's idea of 
a ludicrous theory is probably another member's pet mcguffin.  But 
the list would be a lot less fun if posters were forced to prove 
their theories using Occam's razor. ;-)  So I just skip the ones 
that make no sense to me.

Debbie
whose own pet mcguffin is named Memory Charm'd Neville




From spin01 at aol.com  Sat Jul 24 12:28:15 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:28:15 -0000
Subject: So you want to be a wizard books (was lemony snicket)
In-Reply-To: <20040723021127.92489.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdtkkv+1on3@eGroups.com>

 
Have you read the "So You Want to Be A Wizard" books?  I read them 
when I ran out of Harry Potter books during eye surgery recovery.  
They are not as good as Harry Potter, but they are good.  Funny, we 
got them new at the store, and as I was reading them I kept 
thinking, "Oh my god, she is gonna get in trouble for plagiarizing 
J.K. Rowling!".  But it turns out that these books were written way 
before the Harry Potter series, back in the very early 80s.  The 
author is Diane Duane.  (thanks to my elf for that one)
sherry

       --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber 
<katydid3500 at y...> wrote:
> --- entropymail <entropymail at y...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn
> > Wolber
> > <katydid3500 at y...> wrote:
> > > I have a quick question for someone who's read the
> > > Series of Unfortunate Events books. I requested
> > the
> > > first 4 from the library to read on vacation but
> > only
> > > books 2-4 got here in time. If I skip "The Bad
> > > Beginning" for now and start on the second book
> > will I
> > > understand what's going on or is it the kind of
> > series
> > > where I'd be totally lost?
> > 
> > No, my sons and I have read them all and, although
> > it would probably
> > be best to read them in order, I think Book 2 gives
> > you enough
> > background (within the first few pages) of Book 1 to
> > get you up to speed.
> > 
> > :: Entropy ::
> 
> Thanks for the info! At the most I'll only be going a
> week without reading it so hopefully I'll catch on:)
> Have a good week everyone! I can't wait to get back
> and try to catch up on about 2000 messages on the main
> list;)
> 
> ~Kathryn 
> 
> 
> 
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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 24 15:37:29 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:37:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] So you want to be a wizard books (was lemony
 snicket)
In-Reply-To: <cdtkkv+1on3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAELDDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Sherry, et al,

Very nice books, and Diane's vision of wizarding is very different than the
Potterverse, indeed.  Their slant isn't quite along the Christian lines but,
if one can get past that, the books are well-written and the characters are
very real-type kids who live next door, so to speak.  I think there were
only four of the books?  That's all I've read.

Like I say, no way is Diane's wizarding realm like JKR's. <Grin>

Lee :-)

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I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From grapfnt at netscape.net  Sat Jul 24 16:43:47 2004
From: grapfnt at netscape.net (heather)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:43:47 -0000
Subject: hello, and please help with small questionnaire.
Message-ID: <cdu3k3+r9et@eGroups.com>

I have been lurking on HP4GU for ages (I will actually post something 
when I get the time) and I need to ask a small favour. I am currently 
writing a dissertation for my MA about serial fiction and how it 
affects the readers' relationship to the story. I am using GOF and OOP 
as specific examples, and have devised a couple of questions to ask 
readers.


They are set out on my webpage here: 




http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~heather/hp/




including some ways of replying. The questions are about how people 
found the wait between GOF and OOP and the current waiting period and 
how the gap might be filled with speculation. This, possibly, 
strengthens readers' links to characters and situations. 


I also need to find some JKR interviews to see how often she says the 
whole thing was invented as a piece from the beginning and whther 
there are any hints that she changed some elements on further 
reflection. This would show that the gap between writing volumes is 
important. (I privately think the long gap between GOF and OOP led to 
the latter being too long).


Well, that's not much about me, but it's all I should be thinking of 
at the moment anyway (I am a leeetle behind on this). If you have 
anything you want to add on the subject in a more general way, then 
please contact me. 






From erinellii at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 18:42:12 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:42:12 -0000
Subject: Pet Theories
In-Reply-To: <cds1aa+6tds@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cduai4+kp31@eGroups.com>

Pippin:
> Eh? Vampire!Snape has canon support. You may consider it 
> convoluted, unconvincing canon support, but it's not non-existent.  
> 
> It seems to me it's the  objections to Snape as vampire or part 
> vampire or former vampire that are not canon-based, ie  
> "vampires are dead," "vampires are destroyed by sunlight." 
> Convoluted explanations are necessary only if one accepts 
> these non-canon "facts" as essential parts of JKR's vampires.


Erin:
You're right, Pippin, I got the objections mixed up with the 
defenders.  I was just typing really quickly and paused for a moment 
to think of a theory about which I'd heard claims based on canon 
other than Rowlings.  (I've also been emailed by Hans of the "scary 
alchemy people", and hasten to explain on-list that by "scary" I 
meant a formidable debater not bound by the normal rules of canon)

I probably should just have refrained from giving examples.

I'm really sorry, and I apologise. 

--Erin

P.S.  I think "snave" is my new favorite word  :-)




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 19:32:33 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:32:33 -0000
Subject: JKR Expecting Third Child
In-Reply-To: <20040724083603.2466.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdudgh+5rob@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra <ms_petra_pan at y...> wrote:
> Jo knows us entirely too well; with this news comes 
> assurance that Book Six is still on track.  <whew!>
> 
> To read this announcement in JKR's own words go to 
> the "News" section of her site or try
> 
> http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/news_view.cfm?id=79
> 
> Petra, now willing to learn to be a midwife
> a
> n  ;p


Asian_lovr2:

Would this imply the arrival or near completion of the book within the
next 6 months? 

I can't see any way that her writing would not be significantly
interupted /after/ the baby is born. Even with the help of a nanny
there is still endless feedings, all night crying, and one long
endless pile of 'poop'.

Do we dare speculate?

Steve/asian_lovr2





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 24 22:36:47 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:36:47 -0000
Subject: Brit schools/normal/beaches/stalactites/Main List Movie Release Blues
Message-ID: <cduo9v+4lsp@eGroups.com>

Sarah wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23379 :

<<  4 forms - 1H, 1B, 1X and 1S, and you stayed with that letter
throughout school (1H, 2H, 3H, 4H etc) >>

I'm curious what the letters stood for.

<< So stop analysing - this is all normal >>

As for me personally, I am not normal -- I am so far from normal that
I not only don't know about normal things, I don't even UNDERSTAND
normal things when I read about them, so I really need to have normal
things explained to me in a very detailed, very basic, very analytical
way.

Steve wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23383 :

<< Are there uniquely wizarding ocean beaches hidden from muggle 
view? >>

Canon (FANTASTIC BEASTS, p. xvi): "Older readers will remember the
Ifracombe Incident of 1932, when a rogue Welsh Green dragon swooped
down upon a crowded beach full of sunbathing Muggles. Fatalities were
mercifully prevented by the brave actions of a holidaying wizarding
family (subsequently awarded Orders of Merlin, First Class) when they
immediately performed the largest batch of Memory Charms this century
on the inhabitants of Ifracombe, thus narrowly averting castrophe."

That indicates that it is sufficiently normal for a sufficient catalog
of wizarding folk to holiday at Muggle watering-places that Scamander
felt no need to explain why that wizarding family was at Ifracombe. My
guess is that JKR doesn't think there are any private wizarding ocean
beaches in Britain, but personally I like to believe that there is at
least one, but it is very exclusive and expensive (actually I put it
on an islet which is concealed from Muggles, which I named Aeaea after
Circe's island).  

Elfundeb moved from main list to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23385 :

<< mrslestrange" <elizabethleclerc at h...> observed:

>By the way, I learned the trick:
>stalaGmites come out of the Ground
>stalaCtites come out of the Ceiling >>

That mnemonic has always confused me worse, as I can't remember
whether C means it comes out of the ceiling OR it points at the
ceiling. I'll try to use the other mnemonics in this moved thread instead.

Kneasy wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23442 :

<< So call me a whiner - better to my mind than airily dismissing
concerns from the lofty eminence of 4 years on site. One stance is
concerned about maintaining reasonably adult standards; the other sees
no cause to worry. Sorry, I think you're wrong. The complexion of the
membership is changing, and not in a way I feel comfortable with. >>

I am more disturbed about wading through the large VOLUME of posts on
main list than about a number of them being of low quality.

I think that the main list would benefit from some posters being given
a Detailed Tutorial in snippage -- That's the one thing I agree with
Phil's post about, HI ERIN and LEE.

I also think that limiting the number of posts per person per day
WOULD help. Even tho' it interferes with threading by requiring
combo-posts.

But I feel that the sloppy posters (some of the ones Kneasy complains
of, altho' I fear that he includes me and many other posters I like in
his KoKo's Little List) will all either go away or clean up their act
in a couple of months, so I'm not panicking.

Have there been any progress reports on the HPfGU Catalog Project, an
effort to create an index of post pasts? In April I was invited to
help catalog (thus becoming a cat-alog cat-lady), but I am really too
busy *sigh*.  




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 25 00:00:04 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:00:04 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cdr4dl+56tj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdut64+km2r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva"
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> I had posted this a few times on the main list but received very 
> little response.  

When I read it on the Main List last week, I made a note to consider
replying, but then I saw that other people had already replied, and I
try to limit how much I just repeat other people.

> We know a little about Grindelwald.  
> 1.  He was the most powerful dark wizard whom DD defeated in 1945.
> 
> 2.  Some have speculated that he had something to do with World War 
> II, give the date. I do not assume he was Hitler as some do, but I 
> do believe that the war in the wizarding world either affected or 
> was effected by WWII in the muggle world.

I am one who immediately assumed that that 1945 indicated a connection
with WWII, from which (and the German-sounding name, which is actually
a place in Switzerland), I assumed that Grindelwald was Hitler's
wizard ally (Hitler is known to have been interested in the occult
such as astrology). From which, I created a vague fanfic in which the
vast Muggle armies, generals, heads of government, and heroes were all
pawns of an international war between wizards ... another in which it
was the Muggles' world war, but some individuals wizards made a
personal choice to help one or another Muggle side ... I prefer the
second because I have another fanfic plot bunny in which Merlin and a
Dark Wizard I invented are the chessmasters behind Arthur and Mordred
... (Mordred, Morded, Modred, Medraut .... More-Dread, More-Dead, Mode
-Red, Mead-draught ... )

However, from discussion on HPfGU, I realised that the dark wizard
Grindelwald might have resided in Britain and had no connection to
WWII other than destruction by his curses might have been covered up
as being from Nazi bombs ... Grindelwald MIGHT have been a professor
at Hogwarts ... perhaps recruiting students as followers ... 

One thing that I've assumed right along, partly from a description 
of Voldemort something like 'the worst dark wizard for a century', 
that Dark Wizard / Dark Witch was a recognized job category in the
Potterverse's wizarding world, and that there was an on-going problem
(maybe two or three a century, maybe one every two or three centuries)
of Dark Wizards/Witches who tried to conquer the entire wizarding
world starting with Britain (and other wizarding countries would have
their own history of Dark Wizards/Witches), so that Grindelwald and
Voldemort were only the two latest in a long parade. I also assumed
that pure-blood racism was optional -- maybe Grindelwald was
Muggle-born and PROUD of it.

(I notice how often I wrote "I assumed" above, which is why I'm afraid
Kneasy counts me as a canon-deficient poster.)

There was at one time discussion (I believe the brilliant Elkins was
active in it) of characteristics of the wizarding folk's culture that
made the rise of Dark Wizard/Witch would-be conquerors inevitable. 
 
> 3.  Grindelwald was mentioned the PS/SS on the back of DD's 
> chocolate frog card along with Flamel.  We learned about Flamel but 
> not much about Grindelwald.
> 
> So now I have listed what I know, let me try to explain my
> questions that I really would like others' opinions about.  First, 
> the timing, to me, is too suspect to not wonder what connection he
> may have with Tom Riddle, who eventually became LV. 

Yes, the timing seems *too* co-incidental. IIRC That's where the idea
of Grindelwald as Hogwarts professor came from ... that he might have
recruited that talented and ambitious student Tom Riddle to be his
assistant Evil Overlord, helped him find the Chamber, written him
letters of introduction to other Dark Wizards to study with them and
read all their libraries ...  

Or he was not a professor at Hogwarts, but he was in Britain and
making a name for himself as a Dark Wizard and young Tom Riddle went
to him to seek tutoring in Dark Magic ... making two ways in which he
could have been present as Grindelwald's assistant when DD defeated
GW, leaving TMR in fear of DD ... of course, there are always ways in
which TMR could have involved himself in the struggle between British
DD and German GW with a final combat like maybe in Switzerland ... or
TMR simply could have decided to pick up GW's fallen torch when he
heard of GW's defeat ...

> Is what makes LV the greatest 
> dark wizard also what empowered Grindelwald?  Could this also be 
> what made Salazar Slytherin turn after the four founded Hogwarts?  
> I'm NOT talking about some possession thing (which was the only 
> response I got from the main list and the person then went off on 

I like to think of Salazar Slytherin as already being evil when
Hogwarts was founded -- the others thinking he was less dangerous to
their plan helping carry it out than attacking it from the outside (I
have fanfic about that, too). That notion contradicts the Sorting
Hat's latest song's statement that Godric and Salazar were once the
best of friends.

I think the 'possession thing' fits nicely as a connection from
Salazar through the long parade of Dark Wizards/Witches to Grindelwald
to Voldemort. I like the idea that the possessing entity is Salazar
himself, made immortal, altho' it being an outside entity would
explain why a hypothetical good Salazar turned evil.

I dislike the idea that the entity was or possessed Salazar, then
possessed no one for centuries until Grindelwald, then passed to
Voldemort. If all the dark wizards in between were merely humanly 
evil humans, to me it would be bad literature for off-stage character
Grindelwald to be more than humanly evil.

> me).  I'm thinking more of a LOTR ring of absolute power kind of 
> idea.  A "power" that is so tempting that people (wizards) will go 
> to any length to acquire and use it.  

Well, in one sense, that is what Dark Magic *is* -- apologies to
listies who care, I know that we don't have a definition of Dark
Magic, is it ANY magic done to harm another person or is it magic 
done with some specific technique, etc? But whatever it is, it is
people who use some kind of magic to get their own way, even tho' the
kind of magic and/or the goals they achieve are considered kind of
evil by their society. We've seen Dark Wizards committing murder;
we've seen them torturing people for fun; I assume that some of them
include rape among their amusements and theft and blackmail among
their businesses ... 

One theory of Dark Magic in general or the Unforgiveable Curses in
paricular is that they are a kind of magic that takes away a little
bit of your conscience each time you do them (what action doesn't?),
or takes away a little bit of your impulse control or your sanity or
your common sense judgment, or makes you a little more sadistic each
time ... 

But to me one reason why wizarding society keeps being troubled by
vicious Dark Wizards is because their social mores don't object all
that much to Dark Magic ... evidence: the Malfoys are well-respected,
apparently the Blacks also were, and Knockturn Alley does business in
broad daylight ... an analogy in modern USA culture might be ...
eating sweets, or fast food hamburgers -- we *call* it 'sinful', we
*call* it 'cheating' (on one's diet), we express disapproval of it --
and we do it anyway, and don't feel all that guilty; *what's more*,
few people hate and despise other people for doing it. It seems to me
that most of the wizarding folk say more 'tut-tut' than 'oh, my God,
how awful' when they read in the DAILY PROPHET of Muggle-baiting, 
even violent physical acts of Muggle-baiting ... another reason is
that IMHO wizardry is about *power*, altho' discussing that would 
make this post even longer.

I'm not all that thrilled about 'evil power' being a *thing* -- the
One Ring has already been done.  

> Second, could this be what defeats LV?  Harry, who is a powerful 
> wizard, is offered this power, possibly after LV is defeated (and 
> TOm Riddle redeemed?).  Harry defeats this dark power by making the 
> CHOICE not to succoumb, thus destroying it.  (Part of this is 
> gleaned from an essay on Mugglenet about the prophesy and the 
> diference between the personas of LV and "The Boy Who Lived" versus 
> the persons of Tom Riddle and Harry Potter.)

I don't see how Harry can end the lineage of Dark Wizards without
utterly changing wizarding society. I don't see how Harry can end
*evil* without ending humanity.




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 02:40:08 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:40:08 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cds2e3+1qsg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdv6i8+q5l0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "greatelderone" 
<greatelderone at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
> <drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> > So now I have listed what I know, let me try to explain my 
> questions 
> > that I really would like others' opinions about.  First, the 
> timing, 
> > to me, is too suspect to not wonder what connection he may have 
> with 
> > Tom Riddle, who eventually became LV.  Is what makes LV the 
> greatest 
> > dark wizard also what empowered Grindelwald?  Could this also be 
> > what made Salazar Slytherin turn after the four founded 
Hogwarts?  
> > I'm NOT talking about some possession thing (which was the only 
> > response I got from the main list and the person then went off 
on 
> > me).  I'm thinking more of a LOTR ring of absolute power kind of 
> > idea.  A "power" that is so tempting that people (wizards) will 
go 
> > to any length to acquire and use it.  
> 
> GEO: I think in the case of Voldemort that the Ring of Power here 
is 
> the Dark Arts which is akin to the Dark Side in Star Wars with 
power 
> given inexchange for your decency. The cruciatus curse is an 
example 
> and the various methods that Voldemort had to use to sustain 
himself 
> after he was defeated.
> 
> > 
> > Second, could this be what defeats LV?  Harry, who is a powerful 
> > wizard, is offered this power, possibly after LV is defeated 
(and 
> > TOm Riddle redeemed?).  
> 
> GEO: Dude Voldemort is too far gone for redemption. He has killed 
> far too many wizards and done too much that no measure of penance 
> can repay what he has done.

Ture for Voldemort, but may not be true for Tom, especially now that 
he has some of Harry's blood coursing through his veins.




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 02:52:04 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:52:04 -0000
Subject: hello, and please help with small questionnaire.
In-Reply-To: <cdu3k3+r9et@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdv78k+lpsf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "heather" <grapfnt at n...> 
wrote:
> I have been lurking on HP4GU for ages (I will actually post 
something 
> when I get the time) and I need to ask a small favour. I am 
currently 
> writing a dissertation for my MA about serial fiction and how it 
> affects the readers' relationship to the story. I am using GOF and 
OOP 
> as specific examples, and have devised a couple of questions to 
ask 
> readers.
> 
> 
> They are set out on my webpage here: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~heather/hp/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> including some ways of replying. The questions are about how 
people 
> found the wait between GOF and OOP and the current waiting period 
and 
> how the gap might be filled with speculation. This, possibly, 
> strengthens readers' links to characters and situations. 
> 
> 
> I also need to find some JKR interviews to see how often she says 
the 
> whole thing was invented as a piece from the beginning and whther 
> there are any hints that she changed some elements on further 
> reflection. This would show that the gap between writing volumes 
is 
> important. (I privately think the long gap between GOF and OOP led 
to 
> the latter being too long).
> 
> 
> Well, that's not much about me, but it's all I should be thinking 
of 
> at the moment anyway (I am a leeetle behind on this). If you have 
> anything you want to add on the subject in a more general way, 
then 
> please contact me.

I completed your survey and wish you luck.  Having completed a PhD 
program, I know the importance of data collection.  




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 03:02:21 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:02:21 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cdut64+km2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdv7rt+kn48@eGroups.com>

<snipped post>

Great post, catlady!  I like your opinions, most with which I 
agree.  And, I do not think your assumptions make you canon 
deficient!  Quite the contrary, your assumptions demontrate a strong 
knowledge base of canon.  Thanks for the response.

Julie -- whose maiden name was "Prince"




From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 03:24:39 2004
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:24:39 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cdr4dl+56tj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdv95n+4mdm@eGroups.com>

--- fanofminerva wrote:

> 
> We know a little about Grindelwald.  
> 1.  He was the most powerful dark wizard whom DD defeated in 1945.
> 
> 2.  Some have speculated that he had something to do with World War 
> II, give the date.  I do not assume he was Hitler as some do, but I 
> do believe that the war in the wizarding world either affected or 
> was effected by WWII in the muggle world.
> 
> 3.  Grindelwald was mentioned the PS/SS on the back of DD's 
> chocolate frog card along with Flamel.  We learned about Flamel but 
> not much about Grindelwald.
> 
> 

Constance Vigilance (me):

Grindelwald figures highly in my Quirrell theory which has taken some 
battery lately. But here is what I think Grindelwald means to our 
story:

My theory is requisite on Durmstrang being in Norway or nearby. (Yes, 
it is relevant - give me time) JKR, in answer to the question, "Where 
is Durmstrang" did place it in Norway, then hedged her answer, 
leading some listees to discount this as a location. The main 
argument against a Norwegian Durmstrang is its name and that of the 
students and faculty not sounding Nordic. I believe that during the 
Nazi occupation of Norway, Grindelwald, a loyal Nazi, was dispatched 
northward to take over an existing school of magic for the purpose of 
teaching the Dark Arts. He then renamed the school with a German-
sounding name and began to recruit students for Dark Arts training. I 
think Dumbledore created the portal in the lake as a means to get to 
Durmstrang and defeat Grindelwald. After the defeat of Grindelwald, 
Durmstrang continues under the same name as a sort of magnet school, 
attracting students from all over Europe who want to learn the Dark 
Arts.

Furthermore, I think Quirrell was a student at Durmstrang, where he 
gained his expertise in Dark Arts as well as his skill with trolls. 
His connections in Norway would also have made it easy for him to get 
a egg from a rare Norwegian dragon.

I think the significance in the next books is that the portal to 
Durmstrang will be used again, possibly by people piloting the boats 
that the First Years use. We also know that we have a quick access to 
the lake from the castle through the Hogwarts plumbing. I think this 
will be important. Look for the merpeople and the giant squid to 
somehow be involved in this part of the story, too.

And, for what it's worth, I think Quirrell is still alive and will be 
leading the charge. As Pippin says, JKR gives cagey answers. That's 
my theory and I'm sticking by it.

Constance Vigilance

By the way - anyone who is overwhelmed with the main list is always 
welcome to come over to the Hogs_Head list.





From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 03:29:17 2004
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:29:17 -0000
Subject: Pet Theories  (Re: No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cdtg7a+6122@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdv9ed+7nqt@eGroups.com>

--- elfundeb2 wrote (debunking Ron=Dumbledore):

> By my calculations Ron would have to turn over the hourglass, oh, 
> about 1.1 million times to go back 135 years.  And even if he got a 
> special year-by-year timeturner, I keep conjuring up this scenario:
> 

Constance Vigilance (me):

Actually, we know there are different kinds of time-turners because 
the cabinet had them of many sizes. While I'm not a R=DD theorist, I 
don't dismiss the possibility that time-turners might go by years, 
decades or whatever.

CV




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 06:42:12 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 06:42:12 -0000
Subject: Limit Number of Posts
In-Reply-To: <cduo9v+4lsp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdvko4+iss5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:

> 
> Kneasy wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23442 :
> 
> << So call me a whiner - better to my mind than airily dismissing
> concerns from the lofty eminence of 4 years on site. One stance is
> concerned about maintaining reasonably adult standards; the other
> sees no cause to worry. Sorry, I think you're wrong. The complexion
> of the membership is changing, and not in a way I feel comfortable 
> with. >>
> 
> I am more disturbed about wading through the large VOLUME of posts
> on main list than about a number of them being of low quality.
> 
> I think that the main list would benefit from some posters being 
> given a Detailed Tutorial in snippage -- 
> 


Asian_lovr2:

Amen to that.


Catlady continues:
> I also think that limiting the number of posts per person per day
> WOULD help. Even tho' it interferes with threading by requiring
> combo-posts.
> 

Asian_lovr2:

A long while back (back in the hey-day) I think some one cataloged
posts over a period of time and determined who the most prolific
posters were. I think at that time, I was #3 or something like that.
However, I would say that at that time the top 5 or more posters were
also the most detailed, best documented, and most insightfull posters
who stimulated the best discussions. So posting volume itself is not
an indicator of quality. 

> Catlady concludes:
>
> But I feel that the sloppy posters ... will all either go away or 
> clean up their act in a couple of months, so I'm not panicking.
> 


Asian_lovr2:

Perhaps you are right. True, we do periodically complain, so maybe we
are just seeing a normal flucuation, but I really miss discussions
with people who had deep insightful opinions and idea. I will admit,
there have been a few discussion recently that had some depth. So,
it's not all bad.

Steve/asian_lovr2





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 08:13:45 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:13:45 -0000
Subject: Brit schools/normal/beaches/stalactites/Main List Movie Release Blues
In-Reply-To: <cduo9v+4lsp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdvq3p+74al@eGroups.com>


> Steve wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23383 :
> 
> << Are there uniquely wizarding ocean beaches hidden from muggle 
> view? >>
> 
Catlady replied:
<snip canon support>
> 
> That indicates that it is sufficiently normal for a sufficient 
> catalog of wizarding folk to holiday at Muggle watering-places 
> that Scamander felt no need to explain why that wizarding family 
> was at Ifracombe. My guess is that JKR doesn't think there are any 
> private wizarding ocean beaches in Britain, but personally I like 
> to believe that there is at least one, but it is very exclusive 
> and expensive (actually I put it on an islet which is concealed 
> from Muggles, which I named Aeaea after Circe's island).  

Pip!Squeak:

Technically there's no such thing in English law as a private beach -
 the area between lowest and highest tide is common land by 'time 
immemorial' law. That's legalese for 'no record now exists of the 
actual law, but we've been doing it this way for centuries'.

'Time immemorial' stuff dates to before the WW split off from the 
muggle world, so it's hard to see how wizards ever have been able to 
buy the actual beach.

What they might be able to purchase is the landward access to the 
beach. Most beaches described as 'private' are in that situation. 
Technically, anyone can use them, in practice the only access is 
some steep and rocky path *which is owned by the landholder*. You 
have to have their permission to use the access.

So they're effectively private, unless someone decides to sail or 
swim into them from the seaward side.

A concealed islet would be in that situation. Effectively private. 
But wizarding gatecrashers could access from the sea. And then 
couldn't be chucked off for trespassing, as long as they stayed 
below the highest tide line.

Pip!Squeak




From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Sun Jul 25 12:41:04 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:41:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end
  of LV
In-Reply-To: <cdv95n+4mdm@eGroups.com>
References: <cdr4dl+56tj@eGroups.com>
 <cdv95n+4mdm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040725083445.02b57c70@mail.toltbbs.com>


>fanofminerva wrote:
>
> >
> > We know a little about Grindelwald.
> > 1.  He was the most powerful dark wizard whom DD defeated in 1945.
> >
> > 2.  Some have speculated that he had something to do with World War
> > II, give the date.  I do not assume he was Hitler as some do, but I
> > do believe that the war in the wizarding world either affected or
> > was effected by WWII in the muggle world.
> >
> > 3.  Grindelwald was mentioned the PS/SS on the back of DD's
> > chocolate frog card along with Flamel.  We learned about Flamel but
> > not much about Grindelwald.
> >
Now Phil adds:
 From Harry Potter Lexicon,
Tom Riddle was at Hogwarts  from 1937 to 1945.
So 1945 is significant for both TR and Grindelwald.
Phil



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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jul 25 15:02:37 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 25 Jul 2004 15:02:37 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1090767757.78.91263.m5@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 25 17:46:14 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:46:14 -0000
Subject: /beaches/
In-Reply-To: <cdvq3p+74al@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce0rl6+d31q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...>
wrote: 've been doing it this way for centuries'.
> 
> A concealed islet would be in that situation. Effectively private. 
> But wizarding gatecrashers could access from the sea. And then 
> couldn't be chucked off for trespassing, as long as they stayed 
> below the highest tide line.

I should have thought about that, as California has some similar laws
... maybe my unconscious mind did, as I imagined it being accessed
only by some expensively clean and comfortable form of Floo. The islet
must have anti-Apparation charms, as otherwise wizarding intruders
wouldn't even need to get wet to access the tidal zone ("between the
salt water and the sea strand") without going through the privately
owned land ... and it must be surrounded, some distance out to sea,
with not only "Muggles turn around" but "Wizards turn around" charms
...   




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 19:37:09 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (Agnes Raggett)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:37:09 +0100
Subject: PS quiz
References: <1090744194.723.48893.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c4727f$1fe79420$2fd487d9@oemcomputer>

I love compiling quizzes and thought I'd knock one up for ths group.  Any
constructive citicism is appreciated.    Either email answers to me directly
or put up on the board.  If  I get enough response I'll do one for each
book.

Please note that this quiz is derived from the BOOK.  NOTHING and I repeat
NOTHING is taken from the film.  All questions are related to The
Philosopher's Stone.

Philosopher's Stone Quiz

1 What is the name of the company that Mr Dursley works for? And what do
they make?


2 What type of cat is McGonagall's anamagi?


3 Above which knee is Dumbledore's 'London Underground Map'  scar?


4 What did Mrs Figg's house smell of, according to Harry?


5 If Harry hadn't gone to Hogwarts, which school would he have  attended?

6 What colour is the Hogwart's wax seal?


7 Why did the Dursley's move Harry from the cupboard under the  stairs to
Dudley's spare bedroom?


8 Which four animals represent the four school houses?

9 For how many days did Hogwarts try to send Harry his admission  letter?


10 What did Hagrid cook for Harry in the hut on the rock?


11 On which date is the anniversary of James and Lily Potter's death?


12 How many times does Hagrid tap the wall in the yard of the Leaky
Cauldron to get the entrance to Diagon Alley?


13 How many Sickles to a Galleon?
 How many Knuts to a Sickle?

14 When was 'Ollivanders' established?


15 What wood is Harry's wand made of?


16 To which school house did Arthur and Molly Weasley belong?


17 Into which house was Hannah Abbot sorted?


18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?


19 What was Harry's first password to enter the Gryffindor common   room?


20 How many staircases are there in Hogwarts?


21 Fill in the missing words of Snape's opening speech to Harry's  potion
class.   "I can teach you to ....... fame, ....... glory, even  .........
death.

22 What do you get if you add powdered root of asphodel to an  infusion of
wormwood?


23 What is a bezoar?


24 What is the difference between monkshood and wolfs bane?


25 Which two lessons did Gryffindor have with Slytherin (remember  this is
Philosopher's Stone)?


26 Harry was the youngest Quidditch house player in how long?


27 How many balls are used in a game of Quidditch?


28 How many players are there on a Quidditch team?


29 What is the wrist action and incantation to make objects fly?


30 Who was it that informed everyone in the Great Hall about the troll  at
Halloween?


31 Where did Harry first go to on the debut outing of his invisibility
cloak?


32 And what did he end up discovering?

33 Where did Harry, Ron and Hermione discover the link between  Nicolas
Flamel and the package that Fluffy was hiding?


34 Who were Gryffindor playing when Snape refereed their Quidditch  match?


35 Where did Harry 'overhear' Snape threatening Quirrell?


36 What type of dragon was Norbert?


37 In which year was Dragon-breeding outlawed by the Warlock's  Convention?

38 With whom (students) did Harry have detention in the forest?


39 Which centaur rescued Harry from 'the creature drinking the  unicorn's
blood'?


40 Which was Harry's last exam of his first year?


41 Which instrument did Harry, Ron and Hermione (HRH) use to send  Fluffy to
sleep and where did they get it from?


42 How did HRH get out of the Devil's Snare?


43 What colour were the wings of the charmed key that opened the  door to
the 'chess room'?


44 In the magical chess game, which side were HRH playing on, white  or
black?


45 What was Quirrell's task?


46 How many bottles were there to choose from in Snape's test?


47 Why didn't Hermione follow Harry to the last task?

48 According to Dumbledore, to those of a well-organised mind, what  is
death?

49 Who gave Harry the photo album of his family?

50 How many points did Neville win for Gryffindor because he stood  up to
HRH?










From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 20:11:23 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:11:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <002201c4727f$1fe79420$2fd487d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20040725201124.39967.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>




Please note that this quiz is derived from the BOOK. NOTHING and I repeat
NOTHING is taken from the film. All questions are related to The
Philosopher's Stone.

Philosopher's Stone Quiz



18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?

Udderpd

Neville can't be a muggle because both his mum and dad were magical. Do you mean a squib?

TTFN  Udder Pen Dragon








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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Jul 25 20:33:05 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:33:05 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
References: <20040725201124.39967.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c47286$a5cee3c0$bcde6251@kathryn>


>
> Please note that this quiz is derived from the BOOK. NOTHING and I repeat
> NOTHING is taken from the film. All questions are related to The
> Philosopher's Stone.
>
> Philosopher's Stone Quiz
>
>
>
> 18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?
>
> Udderpd
>
> Neville can't be a muggle because both his mum and dad were magical. Do
you mean a squib?
>
> TTFN  Udder Pen Dragon
>
>
>
>

Nope she means 'all-muggle' because in PS Neville says that his family
though that he was 'all-muggle' until .... well I can't continue that
without giving away the answer to her question, but she's deriving the
question from an exact quote.

There was a long discussion over on the main list about why Neville used
that particular phrasing, I don't remember when other than it was a few
months back so I can't recommend the exact posts.

K




From lists at heidi8.com  Sun Jul 25 20:53:01 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:53:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <001d01c47286$a5cee3c0$bcde6251@kathryn>
References: <20040725201124.39967.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <001d01c47286$a5cee3c0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <1090788785.341104BD@w37.dngr.org>


On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 4:34pm, Kathryn Cawte wrote:
> Nope she means 'all-muggle' because in PS Neville says that his family
though that he was 'all-muggle' until .... well I can't continue that
without giving away the answer to her question, but she's deriving the
question from an exact quote.
There was a long discussion over on the main list about why Neville 
used
that particular phrasing, I don't remember when other than it was a few
months back so I can't recommend the exact posts.


I unfortunately missed that discussion, but there's only one answer that 
has a canon basis - it's because she didn't want to introduce the term 
"squib" until CoS, the same way that in PoA, the term "dementor" doesn't 
show up until after Lupin introduces it - before that, they're called 
"the Azkaban guards", which is a term that never appears again once the 
word "dementor" is used.


Heidi



From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 20:57:19 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PS quiz
Message-ID: <20040725205719.4408.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>


25July04

Agnes wrote:  


"I love compiling quizzes and thought I'd knock one up for this group. ... If I get enough response I'll do one for each
book...."

Paula Now:

Agnes, this is wonderful.  My score, after 2 readings of PS isn't what it should be, so not sending in the answers--I'd have to cheat not to be embarassed.  But thanks, you make me realize that I could start re-reading ALL the series, still enjoy, and stop sitting on edge waiting for Book 6.

May JKR have a safe and easy delivery and enjoy her new little one.

Paula Gaon







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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Jul 25 21:25:44 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:25:44 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
References: <1090744194.723.48893.m12@yahoogroups.com> <002201c4727f$1fe79420$2fd487d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006901c4728d$f2ab8a20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Remember, I haven't read SS/PS in a LONG
time...

Philosopher's Stone Quiz

1 What is the name of the company that Mr
Dursley works for? And what do
they make?

Grunnings/Drills

2 What type of cat is McGonagall's anamagi?

Tabby

3 Above which knee is Dumbledore's 'London
Underground Map'  scar?

Er..left?

4 What did Mrs Figg's house smell of,
according to Harry?

Cabbage...over cooked or under cooked I can't
remember

5 If Harry hadn't gone to Hogwarts, which
school would he have  attended?

Stonewall High

6 What colour is the Hogwart's wax seal?

Green

7 Why did the Dursley's move Harry from the
cupboard under the  stairs to
Dudley's spare bedroom?

Because the wizards knew where he slept and
it was to make it look like they treated him
right...I think

8 Which four animals represent the four
school houses?

Ravenclaw--Eagle, Slytherin--Snake (I
accidentally wrote Snape the first time),
Gryffindor--Lion, Hufflepuff--Badger

9 For how many days did Hogwarts try to send
Harry his admission  letter?

Five?

10 What did Hagrid cook for Harry in the hut
on the rock?

Sausages

11 On which date is the anniversary of James
and Lily Potter's death?

October 31, 1982

12 How many times does Hagrid tap the wall in
the yard of the Leaky
Cauldron to get the entrance to Diagon Alley?

Three

13 How many Sickles to a Galleon?
How many Knuts to a Sickle?

I don't have a clue...there's a 17 or 14
somewhere

14 When was 'Ollivanders' established?

385 or 395

15 What wood is Harry's wand made of?

Holly

16 To which school house did Arthur and Molly
Weasley belong?

Gryffindor

17 Into which house was Hannah Abbot sorted?

Hufflepuff (Along with Justin FF, Ernie
McMillan, and Susan Bones...er, there should
be more there shouldn't there?)

18 How did Neville's family know that he
wasn't 'all muggle'?

His uncle dropped him out a window and he
bounced.

19 What was Harry's first password to enter
the Gryffindor common   room?

Mimble...fairy
lights...balderdash...er...Draconis
something?

20 How many staircases are there in Hogwarts?

Uhhhh...

21 Fill in the missing words of Snape's
opening speech to Harry's  potion
class.   "I can teach you to ....... fame,
....... glory, even  .........
death.

"I can teach you to brew fame, bottle glory,
even put a stopper in death."

22 What do you get if you add powdered root
of asphodel to an  infusion of
wormwood?

A potion known as the Drought of Living Death

23 What is a bezoar?

A stone found in the stomach of a goat.

24 What is the difference between monkshood
and wolfs bane?

Same plant

25 Which two lessons did Gryffindor have with
Slytherin (remember  this is
Philosopher's Stone)?

Flying Class and Potions

26 Harry was the youngest Quidditch house
player in how long?

A century

27 How many balls are used in a game of
Quidditch?

Four (Two Bludgers, a Quaffle and a Golden
Snitch)

28 How many players are there on a Quidditch
team?

Seven (Two Beaters, Three Chasers, a Keeper
and a Seeker)

29 What is the wrist action and incantation
to make objects fly?

Swish and Flick/Wingardiam Leviosa

30 Who was it that informed everyone in the
Great Hall about the troll  at
Halloween?

Professor Quirell

31 Where did Harry first go to on the debut
outing of his invisibility
cloak?

The restricted section of the library

32 And what did he end up discovering?

A screaming book and the Mirror of Erised
down a few halls

33 Where did Harry, Ron and Hermione discover
the link between  Nicolas
Flamel and the package that Fluffy was
hiding?

A big book?

34 Who were Gryffindor playing when Snape
refereed their Quidditch  match?

Hufflepuff

35 Where did Harry 'overhear' Snape
threatening Quirrell?

Forbidden Forest

36 What type of dragon was Norbert?

Ridgeback

37 In which year was Dragon-breeding outlawed
by the Warlock's  Convention?

17something

38 With whom (students) did Harry have
detention in the forest?

Neville Longbottom, Draco Malfoy and Hermione
Granger

39 Which centaur rescued Harry from 'the
creature drinking the  unicorn's
blood'?

Firenze

40 Which was Harry's last exam of his first
year?

Potions?

41 Which instrument did Harry, Ron and
Hermione (HRH) use to send  Fluffy to
sleep and where did they get it from?

A flute that Hagrid gave Harry for Yule
(Christmas)

42 How did HRH get out of the Devil's Snare?

Fire used on the plant

43 What colour were the wings of the charmed
key that opened the  door to
the 'chess room'?

Blue?

44 In the magical chess game, which side were
HRH playing on, white  or
black?

White

45 What was Quirrell's task?

A troll

46 How many bottles were there to choose from
in Snape's test?

7 or 12

47 Why didn't Hermione follow Harry to the
last task?

There was only enough of the potion for one
to go forward

48 According to Dumbledore, to those of a
well-organized mind, what  is
death?

The Last Great Adventure (or I'm channeling
Peter Pan)

49 Who gave Harry the photo album of his
family?

Hagrid

50 How many points did Neville win for
Gryffindor because he stood  up to
HRH?

10



Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Jul 25 21:35:00 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:35:00 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
References: <20040725201124.39967.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <001d01c47286$a5cee3c0$bcde6251@kathryn> <1090788785.341104BD@w37.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <001801c4728f$3e2f17e0$bcde6251@kathryn>



>
> I unfortunately missed that discussion, but there's only one answer that
> has a canon basis - it's because she didn't want to introduce the term
> "squib" until CoS, the same way that in PoA, the term "dementor" doesn't
> show up until after Lupin introduces it - before that, they're called
> "the Azkaban guards", which is a term that never appears again once the
> word "dementor" is used.
>
>
> Heidi


Well that's a great explanation as far as it goes - but I think people were
looking for an explanation that didn't depend on 'because the author said
so' because after all you could use that to answer any and all questions and
it would cut out most of the discussion on the main board - "Why did the
Potters' change the secret keeper to Sirius?" Because JKR needed them to
have done so for PoA to make any kind of sense; "Why does Snape trust
Dumbledore?" Because he's integral to a lot of the plot ... etc etc. Not
that I'm saying your explanation is wrong, but after all everything in the
books happens because that's the way JKR wanted or needed it to happen.

Take the Thestral question. The meta explanation for why Harry didn't see
them at the end of GoF is that JKR didn't want to introduce the concept
right at the end of a book. The internal reason is that Harry hadn't come to
terms with Cedric's death yet.

Both explanations are valid in different ways but I don't think that either
invalidates the other.

K




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 22:11:16 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:11:16 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <20040725205719.4408.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ce1b64+9if5@eGroups.com>

> Aggie wrote:  

> "I love compiling quizzes and thought I'd knock one up for this 
group. ... If I get enough response I'll do one for each
> book...."
> 
> Paula:
> 
> Agnes, this is wonderful.  My score, after 2 readings of PS isn't 
what it should be, so not sending in the answers--I'd have to cheat 
not to be embarassed.  But thanks, you make me realize that I could 
start re-reading ALL the series, still enjoy, and stop sitting on 
edge waiting for Book 6.
> 
> May JKR have a safe and easy delivery and enjoy her new little one.



Aggie:
Thanks Paula!  Glad I've inspired you!  Who knows, maybe you'll come 
up with the crucial clue that we've all missed!!

Send your answers in when you've finished PS!  I look forward to 
marking them!!!  - Oh no, I can feel myself turning into a Snape like 
teacher - maybe it's just the vampire in me!!  Ha ha  

I'll second your sentiments to JKR, but hopes that she will have 
finished HBP before the patter of little feet!! (She DOES know us TOO 
well!!)

Thanks again!





From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 22:22:49 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:22:49 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <006901c4728d$f2ab8a20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <ce1brp+puai@eGroups.com>

Saitaina wrote:
> Remember, I haven't read SS/PS in a LONG
> time...

> Philosopher's Stone Quiz
 
>>>snippage of Qs and As>>>>>>


Aggie:

I'm VERY impressed!!  I wouldn't have been able to get half as many 
right without having PS to hand!!

I hope you don't mind me putting your score up here, I'll send you 
the answers personally.

You have achieved the high score of 51 out of a possible 64 (some 
questions are worth more than one point) !!

BIG round of applause to Saitaina, you ARE Top of the Class!!!

;o) 




From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 22:29:29 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:29:29 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <001d01c47286$a5cee3c0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <ce1c89+v01l@eGroups.com>

Udderpd:
> > 18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?
> >
> > Neville can't be a muggle because both his mum and dad were  
>magical. Do you mean a squib?



   K > >
> 
> Nope she means 'all-muggle' because in PS Neville says that his 
>family though that he was 'all-muggle' until .... well I can't 
>continue that without giving away the answer to her question, but 
>she's deriving the question from an exact quote.


Aggie now:
Thanks K!  I understand the query UdderPD but my questions are ALL 
taken from canon, so that there would be no ambiguity with the 
answers.  

Looking forward to receiveing your answer sheets K and UdderPD!!







From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Jul 25 22:56:46 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:56:46 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: PS quiz
References: <ce1brp+puai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c4729a$aa38dd80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Aggie wrote:

<I'm VERY impressed!!  I wouldn't have been
able to get half as many
right without having PS to hand!!>

Well, it helps that before OoTP came out, I
spent a month reading the first four books
back to back, and considering I can read GoF
in 12 hrs...yes I don't have a life.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Jul 26 01:09:51 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:09:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <002201c4727f$1fe79420$2fd487d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKELMDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Lee]:
Okay, I'll bite...Chomp! :-)

My answers will be in brackets. [ ]


| Philosopher's Stone Quiz
|
| 1 What is the name of the company that Mr Dursley works for? And what do
| they make?
[Grunnings - Drills]
|
|
| 2 What type of cat is McGonagall's anamagi?
[Tabby]
|
|
| 3 Above which knee is Dumbledore's 'London Underground Map'  scar?
[Left]
|
|
| 4 What did Mrs Figg's house smell of, according to Harry?
[Overcooked Cabbage]
|
|
| 5 If Harry hadn't gone to Hogwarts, which school would he have  attended?
[Stonewall High (In Dudders' hand-me-downs, of course)]
|
| 6 What colour is the Hogwart's wax seal?
[Purple (I think of royalty <Grin>)]
|
|
| 7 Why did the Dursley's move Harry from the cupboard under the  stairs to
| Dudley's spare bedroom?
[To try to throw the letter delivery off since it referred to the cupboard]
|
|
| 8 Which four animals represent the four school houses?
[Lion - Gryffindor; Raven - Ravenclaw; Badger - Hufflepuff; Serpent -
Slytherin]
|
| 9 For how many days did Hogwarts try to send Harry his admission  letter?
[Hmm--about a week]
|
|
| 10 What did Hagrid cook for Harry in the hut on the rock?
[Sausages, and he brought Harry a chocolate birthday cake (my kind of guy!)]
|
|
| 11 On which date is the anniversary of James and Lily Potter's death?
[I never found a ref in the book to that, sorry]
|
|
| 12 How many times does Hagrid tap the wall in the yard of the Leaky
| Cauldron to get the entrance to Diagon Alley?
[Three]
|
|
| 13 How many Sickles to a Galleon?
[Seventeen]
|  How many Knuts to a Sickle?
[Twenty-Nine]

|
| 14 When was 'Ollivanders' established?
[Uh--Hmm--three-hundred-something BC]
|
|
| 15 What wood is Harry's wand made of?
[Holly]
|
|
| 16 To which school house did Arthur and Molly Weasley belong?
[Gryffindor]
|
|
| 17 Into which house was Hannah Abbot sorted?
[Hufflepuff]
|
|
| 18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?
[He bounced when dropped from a window by his great Uncle Algy]
|
|
| 19 What was Harry's first password to enter the Gryffindor common   room?
[Draconus something...or something Draconus]
|
|
| 20 How many staircases are there in Hogwarts?
[Uh--don't remember...but they always move]
|
|
| 21 Fill in the missing words of Snape's opening speech to Harry's  potion
| class.   "I can teach you to .......
[bottle]
| fame, .......
[brew]
| glory, even  .........
[put a stopper in]
| death.
|
| 22 What do you get if you add powdered root of asphodel to an  infusion of
| wormwood?
[A powerful sleeping potion]
|
|
| 23 What is a bezoar?
[A stone swallowed by a goat that can keep someone alive]
|
|
| 24 What is the difference between monkshood and wolfs bane?
[Nothing]
|
|
| 25 Which two lessons did Gryffindor have with Slytherin (remember  this is
| Philosopher's Stone)?
[Potions, for sure, and--uh--flying!]
|
|
| 26 Harry was the youngest Quidditch house player in how long?
[Nearly a century]
|
|
| 27 How many balls are used in a game of Quidditch?
[Four]
|
|
| 28 How many players are there on a Quidditch team?
[Seven]
|
|
| 29 What is the wrist action and incantation to make objects fly?
[Swish & Flick - Wingardium Leviosa (forgive spelling)]
|
|
| 30 Who was it that informed everyone in the Great Hall about the troll  at
| Halloween?
[Quirrell]
|
|
| 31 Where did Harry first go to on the debut outing of his invisibility
| cloak?
[Library, Restricted Section]
|
|
| 32 And what did he end up discovering?
[The Mirror Of Erised]
|
| 33 Where did Harry, Ron and Hermione discover the link between  Nicolas
| Flamel and the package that Fluffy was hiding?
[Frog card]
|
|
| 34 Who were Gryffindor playing when Snape refereed their Quidditch  match?
[Hufflepuff, I think]
|
|
| 35 Where did Harry 'overhear' Snape threatening Quirrell?
[Oi! Um--a classroom, I think]
|
|
| 36 What type of dragon was Norbert?
[Ah--Norbert, the Norwegian Ridgeback]
|
|
| 37 In which year was Dragon-breeding outlawed by the Warlock's
| Convention?
[Like Harry, I'm no good at dates <Grin>]

|
| 38 With whom (students) did Harry have detention in the forest?
[That should probably be "which students," Draco, Neville and Hermione]
|
|
| 39 Which centaur rescued Harry from 'the creature drinking the  unicorn's
| blood'?
[Firenze]
|
|
| 40 Which was Harry's last exam of his first year?
[Wouldn't bet a Knut, but I think DADA]
|
|
| 41 Which instrument did Harry, Ron and Hermione (HRH) use to send
|  Fluffy to
| sleep and where did they get it from?
[A little flute thing that Hagrid had given Harry for Christmas]
|
|
| 42 How did HRH get out of the Devil's Snare?
[She set it a-flame]
|
|
| 43 What colour were the wings of the charmed key that opened the  door to
| the 'chess room'?
[Don't remember, but one was bent]
|
|
| 44 In the magical chess game, which side were HRH playing on, white  or
| black?
[Black]
|
|
| 45 What was Quirrell's task?
To theft the SS for Voldy]
|
|
| 46 How many bottles were there to choose from in Snape's test?
[Seven...And there was some post about the number of bottles and number of
Quidditch players on the main list]
|
|
| 47 Why didn't Hermione follow Harry to the last task?
[Someone had to help Ron and try to get Dd; plus Harry felt/knew he had to
do this alone]

|
| 48 According to Dumbledore, to those of a well-organised mind, what  is
| death?
[The next adventure or next great adventure]
|
| 49 Who gave Harry the photo album of his family?
[Hagrid]
|
| 50 How many points did Neville win for Gryffindor because he stood  up to
| HRH?
[Ten]

Cheers,
Lee (Really interested to know her score!]

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Jul 26 01:27:11 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:27:11 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKELMDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <00c701c472af$ae570bc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Not that it helps now, but I just remembered
a correct awnser--

What was Harry's first password to enter the
Gryffindor common   room?

Caput Draconis (ignore my really odd
spelling).

I had to do a mental search of every password
from the books I could remember (while
weeding out the fanfiction ones).  For some
reason, the passwords stick with me.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From spin01 at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 01:33:29 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 01:33:29 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <002201c4727f$1fe79420$2fd487d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <ce1n1a+ujs1@eGroups.com>


1 What is the name of the company that Mr Dursley works for? And what 
do
they make?   Grunnings drills


2 What type of cat is McGonagall's anamagi?  


3 Above which knee is Dumbledore's 'London Underground Map' scar? left


4 What did Mrs Figg's house smell of, according to Harry?  cats


5 If Harry hadn't gone to Hogwarts, which school would he have 
attended?  st brutis's school for criminally incurable boys

6 What colour is the Hogwart's wax seal? purple


7 Why did the Dursley's move Harry from the cupboard under the stairs 
to
Dudley's spare bedroom?  because of the owl post


8 Which four animals represent the four school houses? badger, snake, 

9 For how many days did Hogwarts try to send Harry his admission 
letter? 4


10 What did Hagrid cook for Harry in the hut on the rock? sausages


11 On which date is the anniversary of James and Lily Potter's death?
 july 15th

12 How many times does Hagrid tap the wall in the yard of the Leaky
Cauldron to get the entrance to Diagon Alley? 7 times


13 How many Sickles to a Galleon? 
How many Knuts to a Sickle?

14 When was 'Ollivanders' established? 


15 What wood is Harry's wand made of? birch


16 To which school house did Arthur and Molly Weasley belong? 
gryffandor


17 Into which house was Hannah Abbot sorted? hugglepuff


18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?
he bounced when dropped out a window


19 What was Harry's first password to enter the Gryffindor common 
room?


20 How many staircases are there in Hogwarts? 700 and some


21 Fill in the missing words of Snape's opening speech to Harry's 
potion
class. "I can teach you to ....... fame, ....... glory, even .........
death.

22 What do you get if you add powdered root of asphodel to an 
infusion of
wormwood?


23 What is a bezoar?


24 What is the difference between monkshood and wolfs bane?


25 Which two lessons did Gryffindor have with Slytherin (remember 
this is
Philosopher's Stone)? potions and herbology


26 Harry was the youngest Quidditch house player in how long?


27 How many balls are used in a game of Quidditch?  4


28 How many players are there on a Quidditch team?


29 What is the wrist action and incantation to make objects fly?


30 Who was it that informed everyone in the Great Hall about the 
troll at
Halloween? quirrel


31 Where did Harry first go to on the debut outing of his invisibility
cloak? the forbidden wing 
32 And what did he end up discovering? the mirror 

33 Where did Harry, Ron and Hermione discover the link between Nicolas
Flamel and the package that Fluffy was hiding? from hagrid


34 Who were Gryffindor playing when Snape refereed their Quidditch 
match?


35 Where did Harry 'overhear' Snape threatening Quirrell?


36 What type of dragon was Norbert? 


37 In which year was Dragon-breeding outlawed by the Warlock's 
Convention?

38 With whom (students) did Harry have detention in the forest?
hermione, neville, and malfoy


39 Which centaur rescued Harry from 'the creature drinking the 
unicorn's
blood'?


40 Which was Harry's last exam of his first year?


41 Which instrument did Harry, Ron and Hermione (HRH) use to send 
Fluffy to
sleep and where did they get it from?  a singing harp


42 How did HRH get out of the Devil's Snare? totally relaxing


43 What colour were the wings of the charmed key that opened the door 
to
the 'chess room'?


44 In the magical chess game, which side were HRH playing on, white or
black? white


45 What was Quirrell's task? 


46 How many bottles were there to choose from in Snape's test?


47 Why didn't Hermione follow Harry to the last task?

48 According to Dumbledore, to those of a well-organised mind, what is
death?

49 Who gave Harry the photo album of his family?

50 How many points did Neville win for Gryffindor because he stood up 
to
HRH?  10






From spin01 at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 01:35:10 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 01:35:10 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <20040725201124.39967.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ce1n4e+5497@eGroups.com>

Neville bounced when dropped from a window.  That is how the family 
new he had magic in him up to that point they were afraid it had 
skipped him.  
sherry 
> 
> 
> 18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?
> 
> Udderpd
> 
> Neville can't be a muggle because both his mum and dad were 
magical. Do you mean a squib?





From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 02:53:42 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Limit Number of Posts
In-Reply-To: <cdvko4+iss5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040726025342.65916.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>




 

> Catlady concludes:
>
> But I feel that the sloppy posters ... will all either go away or clean up their act in a couple of months, so I'm not panicking.
> 


Asian_lovr2:

Perhaps you are right. True, we do periodically complain, so maybe we are just seeing a normal flucuation, but I really miss discussions with people who had deep insightful opinions and idea. I will admit, there have been a few discussion recently that had some depth. So,
it's not all bad.



 

I will admit that I am fairly new to this site.  I try to limit my posts to just a very few per day - if any at all.  I did notice a large increase in volume about a month ago, about the time of the book announcement, but I also remember at about that same time several of the posts being signed with a comment to the effect of finally being home from school and can now be on the site.  This leads me to believe that as soon as school starts back, posting will drop off as studying begins.  I do not know when school starts elsewhere, but here locally, it will begin 2 weeks from tomorrow on August 9.

Moonmyyst (who is over 2200 posts behind and cannot wait to catch up with everyone else!!)


		
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 03:11:23 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:11:23 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <002201c4727f$1fe79420$2fd487d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <ce1sor+jeb0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Agnes Raggett" <aggie at r...>
wrote:
> I love compiling quizzes and thought I'd knock one up for ths group.
 Any
> constructive citicism is appreciated.    Either email answers to me
directly
> or put up on the board.  If  I get enough response I'll do one for each
> book.
> 
> Please note that this quiz is derived from the BOOK.  NOTHING and I
repeat
> NOTHING is taken from the film.  All questions are related to The
> Philosopher's Stone.

Annemehr:
How nice! Okay, here I go, from memory, of course -- no fun looking
stuff up!

> Philosopher's Stone Quiz
> 
> 1 What is the name of the company that Mr Dursley works for? And what do
> they make?
-Grunnings, they make drills.
> 
> 2 What type of cat is McGonagall's anamagi?
-Tabby.
> 
> 3 Above which knee is Dumbledore's 'London Underground Map'  scar?
-The left one.
> 
> 4 What did Mrs Figg's house smell of, according to Harry?
-Cabbages.
> 
> 5 If Harry hadn't gone to Hogwarts, which school would he have 
attended?
-Stonewall High, and be grateful for it!
> 
> 6 What colour is the Hogwart's wax seal?
-Ummm...purple?
> 
> 7 Why did the Dursley's move Harry from the cupboard under the 
stairs to
> Dudley's spare bedroom?
-Because his first Hogwarts letter was addressed to him in "the
Cupboard Under the Stairs," and the Dursleys were afraid they were
being watched.
> 
> 8 Which four animals represent the four school houses?
-Lion for Gryffindor, Badger for Hufflepuff, Eagle for Ravenclaw, and
Serpent for Slytherin.
> 
> 9 For how many days did Hogwarts try to send Harry his admission 
letter?
-Eight, including the one Hagrid hand-delivered on Harry's birthday.
> 
> 10 What did Hagrid cook for Harry in the hut on the rock?
-Sausages.
> 
> 11 On which date is the anniversary of James and Lily Potter's death?
-Halloween.
> 
> 12 How many times does Hagrid tap the wall in the yard of the Leaky
> Cauldron to get the entrance to Diagon Alley?
-Three. 
> 
> 13 How many Sickles to a Galleon?
>  How many Knuts to a Sickle?
-Er...there's a "seventeen" in there somewhere...is it seventeen
Sickles to a Galleon and twenty-three Knuts to a Sickle?
> 
> 14 When was 'Ollivanders' established?
-Ack! Around 236 BC?
> 
> 15 What wood is Harry's wand made of?
-Holly and Phoenix feather.
> 
> 16 To which school house did Arthur and Molly Weasley belong?
-Gryffindor.
> 
> 17 Into which house was Hannah Abbot sorted?
-Hufflepuff.
> 
> 18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?
-Uncle Algie was holding him out a second-story window, and when he
accidentally dropped him, Neville bounced.
> 
> 19 What was Harry's first password to enter the Gryffindor common  
room?
-Caput Draconis?
> 
> 20 How many staircases are there in Hogwarts?
-No idea. Thirty-six? No, that's how many presents Dudley thought he
had...
> 
> 21 Fill in the missing words of Snape's opening speech to Harry's 
potion
> class.   "I can teach you to ....... fame, ....... glory, even 
.........
> death.
-Brew, bottle, stopper.
> 
> 22 What do you get if you add powdered root of asphodel to an 
infusion of
> wormwood?
-A sleeping potion so powerful it's called the Draught of the Living
Death.
> 
> 23 What is a bezoar?
-A magical stone found in the stomach of a goat.
> 
> 24 What is the difference between monkshood and wolfs bane?
-Nothing at all.
> 
> 25 Which two lessons did Gryffindor have with Slytherin (remember 
this is
> Philosopher's Stone)?
-Potions and broomstick flying.
> 
> 26 Harry was the youngest Quidditch house player in how long?
-About a hundred years.
> 
> 27 How many balls are used in a game of Quidditch?
-Four.
> 
> 28 How many players are there on a Quidditch team?
-Seven.
> 
> 29 What is the wrist action and incantation to make objects fly?
-Swish and flick, and you say "wingardium leviosa." Make the "gar"
nice and long!
> 
> 30 Who was it that informed everyone in the Great Hall about the
troll  at
> Halloween?
-Professor Quirrell.
> 
> 31 Where did Harry first go to on the debut outing of his invisibility
> cloak?
-The Restricted Section of the Library.
> 
> 32 And what did he end up discovering?
-The Mirror of Erised.
> 
> 33 Where did Harry, Ron and Hermione discover the link between  Nicolas
> Flamel and the package that Fluffy was hiding?
-On the back of another Chocolate Frog card that had Dumbledore on it.
> 
> 34 Who were Gryffindor playing when Snape refereed their Quidditch 
match?
-Slytherin.
> 
> 35 Where did Harry 'overhear' Snape threatening Quirrell?
-In the Forbidden Forest, if you mean the time after the Quidditch match.
> 
> 36 What type of dragon was Norbert?
-A Norwegian Ridgeback.
> 
> 37 In which year was Dragon-breeding outlawed by the Warlock's 
Convention?
-Must have drifted off during that History of Magic lesson, sorry.
> 
> 38 With whom (students) did Harry have detention in the forest?
-Neville, Hermione, and Draco.
> 
> 39 Which centaur rescued Harry from 'the creature drinking the 
unicorn's
> blood'?
-Firenze.
> 
> 40 Which was Harry's last exam of his first year?
-Potions?
> 
> 41 Which instrument did Harry, Ron and Hermione (HRH) use to send 
Fluffy to
> sleep and where did they get it from?
-A wooden flute that Hagrid had given Harry for Christmas.
> 
> 42 How did HRH get out of the Devil's Snare?
-Hermione conjured fire to make it shrivel.
> 
> 43 What colour were the wings of the charmed key that opened the 
door to
> the 'chess room'?
-Blue.
> 
> 44 In the magical chess game, which side were HRH playing on, white  or
> black?
-Black.
> 
> 45 What was Quirrell's task?
-The troll (bigger than the Halloween one).
> 
> 46 How many bottles were there to choose from in Snape's test?
-Seven.
> 
> 47 Why didn't Hermione follow Harry to the last task?
-There wasn't enough potion in the bottle for going on, so she went
back to get Ron and owl Dumbledore.
> 
> 48 According to Dumbledore, to those of a well-organised mind, what  is
> death?
-The Next Great Adventure.
> 
> 49 Who gave Harry the photo album of his family?
-Hagrid.
> 
> 50 How many points did Neville win for Gryffindor because he stood 
up to
> HRH?
-Ten.

Thanks, that was fun!

Annemehr





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 03:15:30 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:15:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!
Message-ID: <20040726031530.68121.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

*wanders into the party room, flinging open cupboards,
searching in vain for decorations*

Now where did those new elvses put my boxes? Ah, there
they are!

*sets self to work with balloons and streamers,
rummaging for confetti, untangling fairy lights*

Just get the party started while I find us a something
to eat. You do all want food, don't you? I thought so!
:)

Today's birthday honourees are Meg, Kristin and pgr.
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Meg at: mdemeran at hotmail.com, to Kristin
at: alyeskakc at aol.com and to pgr at:
azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk

I hope you've all had magical days, filled with fun,
good company and everything HP!

Happy Birthday, Meg!
Happy Birthday, Kristin!
Happy Birthday, pgr!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, popping off sabbatical temporarily

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 03:19:43 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:19:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20040726031943.59591.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>

*considers the decorations with a critical eye and
finds them satisfactory*

Okay, the decorations may be fine, but I'd best do
something about getting more food in here. Boy, you
guys sure can eat!

Yesterday's birthday honourees were Heather and Lady
McBeth. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Heather at: hettick.1 at osu.edu and to Lady
McBeth at: mcdee1980 at yahoo.com

I hope both of you had magical days, filled with
wonder, joy and everything magical.

Happy Birthday, Heather!
Happy Birthday, Lady McBeth!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From rowen_lm at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 04:53:41 2004
From: rowen_lm at yahoo.com (Liz Muir)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:53:41 -0000
Subject: Random HP Website Idea
Message-ID: <ce22ol+hb3j@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone.  I'm new to the OTC, a lurker on the main list and 
active on the regional list for the mountainwest.  But enough about 
that...

Alright, so I've had this idea for an HP website stewing in my head 
for weeks, but haven't been able to decide on what to do with it.  
I'm not sure whether it's been done before, if there's even a need 
for it outside my own head, if it's feasible or what.  So I'm looking 
for some feedback on this, and perhaps some collaborators if I ever 
decide to actually do it.  So, here goes:

The idea is sort of a Lexicon combined with HPFGU combined with _The 
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ (by Douglas Adams).  Generally, I'd 
like to write a website that works like the Lexicon only instead of 
information about cannon, it would be an encyclopedia/history/guide 
to the fandom.  I'd like to include the history/biographies 
of "famous" fans and a good long index of wild theories.  Also in 
there would be reviews of websites (with the history of how they came 
about and what they've done for the fandom), guides for new fans on 
how to get started in the fandom, and histories/synopses of fanfics 
that have changed the fanscape.  It would be written in a nice 
_Hitchhiker's_ style that wouldn't confuse newbie fans trying to 
figure things out, but would also be enjoyable to old-bies.  Sound 
ambitious? (No, I'm not a Slytherin.)

As I said, this idea has been slowly evolving in my brain for a 
while.  Love of history was definitely a factor, but my main 
inspiration was the history of HPFGU linked to on the portkey.  I 
found it really interesting, but I was left wanting more.  I wanted 
to know how everything had actually started and be able to follow up 
on all the inside jokes.  Noticing fandom-analysis sections at Nimbus 
2003 let me know there was at least some kind of need for it.

Recently I've been thinking about it more because of two things: 1) I 
have a lot of non-internet-savvy HP friends.  They are always really 
confused by fandom stuff and I never know how to explain it. 2) I've 
just recently discovered the wonder that is Wiki websites.  If you 
don't know, as I didn't, Wiki is a form of website where anyone can 
edit pages and add info.  Backups are automatically made so that you 
can reverse major damage, but there seems to be little of that 
anyway.  I thought making this site a Wiki would add to the 
_Hitchhiker's_ feel.

So tell me: am I hot or not?  Am I even warm?  What do you think of 
the idea?  Possible, probable, or impassible?  Interesting, amusing, 
or boring as Binns?  Wiki or no?  Other comments from experienced 
website gods?

Rowen (Liz)





From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 26 08:05:17 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:05:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKELMDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040726080517.80890.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>




Udderpd


The Philosopher's Stone Quiz:

 1 What is the name of the company that Mr Dursley works for? and what do they make?        Grunnings - Drills


2 What type of cat is McGonagall's anamagi?         Tabby


3 Above which knee is Dumbledore's 'London Underground Map' scar?             Left

4 What did Mrs Figg's house smell of, according to Harry?   her house smelt of Cabbage

5 If Harry hadn't gone to Hogwarts, which school would he have attended?               Stonewall High 


6 What colour is the Hogwart's wax seal?               Purple 

 7 Why did the Dursley's move Harry from the cupboard under the stairs to Dudley's spare bedroom?             Probably from fear, because they realised that the wizards knew where he slept.

8 Which four animals represent the four school houses?  Lion - Gryffindor;   Eagle - Ravenclaw;   Badger - Hufflepuff;   Serpent -
Slytherin  

9 For how many days did Hogwarts try to send Harry his admission letter?        Four or Five

10 What did Hagrid cook for Harry in the hut on the rock?         Sausages


11 On which date is the anniversary of James and Lily Potter's death?   Halloween  Oct 31st  

12 How many times does Hagrid tap the wall in the yard of the Leaky| Cauldron to get the entrance to Diagon Alley?     Three

13 How many Sickles to a Galleon?   Seventeen
How many Knuts to a Sickle?   Twenty-Nine

14 When was 'Ollivanders' established?   382 or 383 BC

15 What wood is Harry's wand made of?   Holly

16 To which school house did Arthur and Molly Weasley belong?   Gryffindor

17 Into which house was Hannah Abbot sorted?     Hufflepuff

18 How did Neville's family know that he wasn't 'all muggle'?
Because he bounced when dropped from a window by his Great Uncle Algy

19 What was Harry's first password to enter the Gryffindor common room?         Caput Draconis (excuse spelling)

20 How many staircases are there in Hogwarts?   Loads and they all move  

21 Fill in the missing words of Snape's opening speech to Harry's potion
class. "I can teach you to -- bottle fame, -- brew glory, -- even put a stopper in death.

22 What do you get if you add powdered root of asphodel to an infusion of wormwood?     The draught of living death.

23 What is a bezoar?    A stone from the stomach of a goat       


24 What is the difference between monkshood and wolfsbane   They are the same thing

25 Which two lessons did Gryffindor have with Slytherin (remember this is| Philosopher's Stone)?       
Potions    and     Flying

26 Harry was the youngest Quidditch house player in how long?
       a hundred years


27 How many balls are used in a game of Quidditch?   Four
really three and a snitch which is an imitation bird

28 How many players are there on a Quidditch team?    
Seven

29 What is the wrist action and incantation to make objects fly?
Swish & Flick - Wingardium Leviosa      excuse spelling

30 Who was it that informed everyone in the Great Hall about the troll at Halloween?          Professor  Quirrell

31 Where did Harry first go to on the debut outing of his invisibility cloak?         Restricted Section of the Library

32 And what did he end up discovering?    The Mirror Of Erised

33 Where did Harry, Ron and Hermione discover the link between Nicolas Flamel and the package that Fluffy was hiding?          On a chocolate Frog card

34 Who were Gryffindor playing when Snape refereed their Quidditch match?        Hufflepuff  

35 Where did Harry 'overhear' Snape threatening Quirrell?   In the Forbidden Forest 

 36 What type of dragon was Norbert?        the Norwegian Ridgeback

37 In which year was Dragon-breeding outlawed by the Warlock's Convention?    was it 17somthing 

38 With whom (students) did Harry have detention in the forest?
        Draco, Neville and Hermione

39 Which centaur rescued Harry from 'the creature drinking the unicorn's blood'?         Firenze

40 Which was Harry's last exam of his first year?      History of Magic

41 Which instrument did Harry, Ron and Hermione (HRH) use to send Fluffy to sleep and where did they get it from?    A wooden flute Hagrid had made Harry for Christmas

42 How did HRH get out of the Devil's Snare?      Hermione conjured a fire

43 What colour were the wings of the charmed key that opened the door to the 'chess room'?              Blue?

44 In the magical chess game, which side were HRH playing on, white or black?               Black

45 What was Quirrell's task?             the Large Troll

46 How many bottles were there to choose from in Snape's test?                    Seven 

47 Why didn't Hermione follow Harry to the last task?     There was only enough potion for one to go on and she had to get Dumbledore. Ron was an incedental.

48 According to Dumbledore, to those of a well-organised mind, what is death?         Death is but the next great adventure 

49 Who gave Harry the photo album of his family?       Hagrid

50 How many points did Neville win for Gryffindor because he stood up to HRH?                  Ten

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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 14:04:57 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Bush)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:04:57 -0000
Subject: question about HP bloodline
Message-ID: <ce3329+esrn@eGroups.com>

I just noticed, on the JKR website, that she says Harry would be 
considered only 'half wizard' because of his mother's GRANDPARENTS.

Does this mean his grandparents (his mom's parents) were wizards? 


Forgive me is this has been discussed before, but I just noticed it.

MJ




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 14:43:47 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:43:47 -0000
Subject: question about HP bloodline
In-Reply-To: <ce3329+esrn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce35b3+50r3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marita Bush" 
<maritajan at y...> wrote:
> I just noticed, on the JKR website, that she says Harry would be 
> considered only 'half wizard' because of his mother's GRANDPARENTS.
> 
> Does this mean his grandparents (his mom's parents) were wizards? 
> 
> 
> Forgive me is this has been discussed before, but I just noticed 
it.
> 
> MJ

I think it emphasizes that Lily was muggle-born, therefore, Petunia 
could not be a squib.  And don't worry if it has been discussed 
before.  Until Book 6 arrives, I think everything is open for 
rediscussion!

Julie




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 16:27:58 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:27:58 -0000
Subject: question about HP bloodline
In-Reply-To: <ce3329+esrn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce3bee+es6b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marita Bush" <maritajan at y...>
wrote:
> I just noticed, on the JKR website, that she says Harry would be 
> considered only 'half wizard' because of his mother's GRANDPARENTS.
> 
> Does this mean his grandparents (his mom's parents) were wizards? 
> 
> 
> Forgive me is this has been discussed before, but I just noticed it.
> 
> MJ

Asian_lovr2:

Let's look at the expanded context of JKR's statement-

-- Quoted in part ---

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=58

"The expressions 'pure-blood', 'half-blood' and 'Muggle-born' have
been coined by people to whom these distinctions matter, and express
their originators' prejudices. As far as somebody like Lucius Malfoy
is concerned, for instance, a Muggle-born is as 'bad' as a Muggle.
Therefore Harry would be considered only 'half' wizard, because of his
mother's grandparents." 
- - - end Partial Quote - - -

As I have always contended, Pureblood, half-blood, etc... are in the
eye of the beholder. They are prejudices and not absolute definitions.

Harry's Maternal Grandparents are MUGGLES.

Harry's Mother is Muggle-BORN=Magical.

Harry's Paternal Grandparents are Magical.

Harry's Father is Magical.

Harry is born of two magical parents, therefore, he is a Full-blood,
but not a Pure-blood.

However, to those to whom these things matter, any muggle heritage is
sufficient contamination to make you less than a true wizard. 
Therefore, because of his Muggle grandparents, in their eyes, he is a
half-blood. That's their opinion, not an absolute fact.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr2






From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 19:11:10 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:11:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Random HP Website Idea
In-Reply-To: <ce22ol+hb3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040726191110.19670.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Liz Muir <rowen_lm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> So tell me: am I hot or not?  Am I even warm?  What
> do you think of 
> the idea?  Possible, probable, or impassible? 
> Interesting, amusing, 
> or boring as Binns?  Wiki or no?  Other comments
> from experienced 
> website gods?

I think it's a wonderful idea, and I'd volunteer to
help with it if you need anyone.

Good luck!

Lanthiriel



		
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From lists at heidi8.com  Mon Jul 26 20:18:37 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:18:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] question about HP bloodline
In-Reply-To: <ce3329+esrn@eGroups.com>
References: <ce3329+esrn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1090873123.3A310F04@s5.dngr.org>


On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 3:58pm, Marita Bush wrote:
> I just noticed, on the JKR website, that she says Harry would be
considered only 'half wizard' because of his mother's GRANDPARENTS.
Does this mean his grandparents (his mom's parents) were wizards?
Forgive me is this has been discussed before, but I just noticed it.


Since that bit just went up today, no it hasn't been discussed before. 
Much as I'm hoping this is Something Interesting, speculation on 
fictionalley.org and the-leaky-cauldron.org is that jkr goofed again, 
just as she did with the wand order thing (multiple times) and her 
comment on her site about ron and point-taking-by-prefects.

If it still says the same thing in a week, I'll eat my 
flowered-bonnet-from-a-Christmas-cracker.


Heidi
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jul 26 20:21:51 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:21:51 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <002201c4727f$1fe79420$2fd487d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <ce3p4v+jv6@eGroups.com>

Aggie wrote:

> I love compiling quizzes and thought I'd knock one up for ths 
group.  Any
> constructive citicism is appreciated.    Either email answers to 
me directly
> or put up on the board.  If  I get enough response I'll do one for 
each
> book.

Thank you - I enjoyed going through that.  I won't add my half-right 
answers to everyone else's but it was a good idea.

David




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Jul 26 20:23:42 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:23:42 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] question about HP bloodline
References: <ce3329+esrn@eGroups.com> <1090873123.3A310F04@s5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <008a01c4734e$7263c140$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

MJ wrote:

<I just noticed, on the JKR website, that she
says Harry would be
considered only 'half wizard' because of his
mother's GRANDPARENTS.

Does this mean his grandparents (his mom's
parents) were wizards? >

Nope.  You read it just slightly wrong.  What
JKR meant was because Lily's parent's are
Muggle, he's a half-blood.

If Lily's parent's were wizards, he would be
a pure blood (in some eyes).

Saitaina
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 20:30:36 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:30:36 -0000
Subject: PS quiz
In-Reply-To: <ce3p4v+jv6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce3plc+2i5e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Aggie wrote:
> 
> > I love compiling quizzes and thought I'd knock one up for ths 
> group.  Any
> > constructive citicism is appreciated.    Either email answers to 
> me directly
> > or put up on the board.  If  I get enough response I'll do one for 
> each
> > book.
> 
> Thank you - I enjoyed going through that.  I won't add my half-right 
> answers to everyone else's but it was a good idea.
> 
> David

Chicken!!!

Annemehr





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jul 26 22:35:00 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:35:00 -0000
Subject: question about HP bloodline
In-Reply-To: <008a01c4734e$7263c140$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <ce40uk+rmhm@eGroups.com>

> MJ wrote:
> 
> <I just noticed, on the JKR website, that she
> says Harry would be
> considered only 'half wizard' because of his
> mother's GRANDPARENTS.
> 
> Does this mean his grandparents (his mom's
> parents) were wizards? >

Saitaina:
> 
> Nope.  You read it just slightly wrong.  What
> JKR meant was because Lily's parent's are
> Muggle, he's a half-blood.

Actually, I think MJ and Heidi are right, and you (and Steve) get 
points off your houses for not reading the question carefully.

JKR may well have *meant* what you say (as Heidi also speculates) 
but what she *said* was to do with Lily's grandparents - Harry's 
*great*-grandparents.

David, who still can't get over Steve's new 'hot-asian_babes_r_us' id




From yswahl at stis.net  Mon Jul 26 22:54:26 2004
From: yswahl at stis.net (samnanya)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:54:26 -0000
Subject: how do i access updates on jkr's website?
Message-ID: <ce4232+lst6@eGroups.com>

i have seen posters say that jkrs site has been updated. How can I 
access that info ? I can log onto the site and have gotten 4 of the 
clues, but for the life of me, i cant find the half born prince info 
or the quote that says that arthur weasley is not the new magic 
minister.....
help !





From erinellii at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 27 00:43:18 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:43:18 -0000
Subject: how do i access updates on jkr's website?
In-Reply-To: <ce4232+lst6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce48f6+nu3k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "samnanya" <yswahl at s...> 
wrote:
> i have seen posters say that jkrs site has been updated. How can I 
> access that info ? I can log onto the site and have gotten 4 of 
the 
> clues, but for the life of me, i cant find the half born prince 
info 
> or the quote that says that arthur weasley is not the new magic 
> minister.....
> help !


It's in the FAQ section, click on the paperclips.  

Erin




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 27 00:44:57 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:44:57 -0000
Subject: question about HP bloodline
In-Reply-To: <ce40uk+rmhm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce48i9+prac@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> > MJ wrote:
> > 
> > <I just noticed, on the JKR website, that she
> > says Harry would be
> > considered only 'half wizard' because of his
> > mother's GRANDPARENTS.
> > 
> > Does this mean his grandparents (his mom's
> > parents) were wizards? >
> 
> Saitaina:
> > 
> > Nope.  You read it just slightly wrong.  What
> > JKR meant was because Lily's parent's are
> > Muggle, he's a half-blood.


> Dave:
>
> Actually, I think MJ and Heidi are right, and you (and Steve) get 
> points off your houses for not reading the question carefully.
> 
> JKR may well have *meant* what you say (as Heidi also speculates) 
> but what she *said* was to do with Lily's grandparents - Harry's 
> *great*-grandparents.
> 
> David,


Asian_lovr2:

Now I get it! I couldn't understand what the problem was, it all
seemed pretty straight forward to me. But now that you make it crystal
clear, I suspect it was a mistake. 

JKR said 'Lily's GRANDparents' when she likely meant HARRY's
Grandparents/Lily's Parents. 

Doesn't she know how nuts this stuff makes us? 

Steve/asian_(hot_babes_r_us)_lovr2





From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 27 00:50:48 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:50:48 -0000
Subject: how do i access updates on jkr's website?
In-Reply-To: <ce4232+lst6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce48t8+9g2i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "samnanya" <yswahl at s...> wrote:
> i have seen posters say that jkrs site has been updated. How can I 
> access that info ? I can log onto the site and have gotten 4 of the 
> clues, but for the life of me, i cant find the half born prince info 
> or the quote that says that arthur weasley is not the new magic 
> minister.....
> help !

The quickest way to get to the site without wading through all the
graphics is to use the Text-Only site.

F.A.Q. Section-
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq.cfm

Steve/asian_lovr2





From AngieJ at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 04:09:36 2004
From: AngieJ at gmail.com (Angie Jerbasi)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:09:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Random HP Website Idea
In-Reply-To: <20040726191110.19670.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040726191110.19670.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <318573a504072621095a71bf3d@mail.gmail.com>

 --- Liz Muir <rowen_lm at yahoo.com> wrote:
 > So tell me: am I hot or not?  Am I even warm?  What
 > do you think of 
 > the idea?  Possible, probable, or impassible? 
 > Interesting, amusing, 
 > or boring as Binns?  Wiki or no?  Other comments
 > from experienced 
 > website gods?
 
Lanthiriel wrote:
  I think it's a wonderful idea, and I'd volunteer to
 help with it if you need anyone.

Angie replies:

I'll second that!  It sounds great and to my knowledge nothing as
complete as what you're suggesting exists.  I'd be happy to help out a
little if you needed another opinion.  But the idea itself sounds
great!  : )

-Angie



From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Tue Jul 27 10:46:32 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:46:32 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: how do i access updates on jkr's website?
In-Reply-To: <ce48t8+9g2i@eGroups.com>
References: <ce48t8+9g2i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <41063288.9040607@colinogilvie.co.uk>

Steve wrote:

>The quickest way to get to the site without wading through all the
>graphics is to use the Text-Only site.
>
If only that was as up-to-date as the other, no FAQ poll etc on it when 
I last looked :(

Colin



From grapfnt at netscape.net  Tue Jul 27 11:52:34 2004
From: grapfnt at netscape.net (mindy bindy)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:52:34 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] no hiding in disguise!
References: <ce1mpl+h0a2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <41064202.5020007@netscape.net>

ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com wrote:
 > So I grew my hair out a bit and got different, squarer glasses... it
 > was no use; this past week yet more said, "Whoa!  You look like the
 > dude from Harry Potter!"  I gave up on trying to minimize that
 > effect, and cut my hair back to where I wanted it, and am getting my
 > new prescription in glasses more like my favored old ones...  No
 > point in changing just to avoid detection!
 >
My brother has never read the books, but looks exactly like him. He has
green eyes, black hair, a sulky expression and glasses. His hair sort of 
falls over his forehead in the right way to hide a scar too. I told him 
he'd do well at conventions, but he wasn't impressed.





From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 27 14:22:16 2004
From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Hans=20Andr=E9a?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:22:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Books 6 & 7 - tragedy or triumph? (moved from main group)
In-Reply-To: <ce3te5+rm3n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040727142216.6960.qmail@web25104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

> Hans: 
> I don't know why Jesus' crucifixion is regarded as such torture. 

Geoff Bannister:
Because Christians believe that Jesus was carrying the punishment for 
the sins of the entire world and, in addition to the physical side 
which has been vividly described by another poster, he was humanly 
cut off spiritually from God the Father during this time.

Phil Boswell:
Well, this might seem obvious, but having the skin shredded off your
back before being forced to carry your own cross (albeit with some
help) to the place of your ultimate execution, then having sodding
great nails hammered through you, then having to hang on them until
you either bleed to death or suffocate, with some Roman grunt sticking
a spear into you just to check that you're done and dusted ... that'll
ping my "torture" detector every time.

And that's considering merely the physical aspect of the experience:
if you're a Christian like me there's a whole 'nother angle to it,
whereby you are separated from your Father God, with whom up till now
you have been integrally bound, and there is a real risk that you're
screwed for eternity, because if there's no risk, the whole thing is a
pointless exercise ... at this point that detector melts down and
trickles off the table.

HTH HAND
-- 
Phil
who really wishes Yahoo!Groups had a "Kill Thread" option and who also
wonders whether an equivalent comment about any other religious figure would
be regarded as "fair game"? and who wonders if anyone's twigged that he was
*really* offended by that particular remark?

Hans' response:
First of all thanks, Geoff and Phil for your explanations. I really like
Geoff's patient and clear reply. There was no offence intended, Phil, I'm
sorry you took it that way.

One of the virtues Christians claim is tolerance and I would like to call
upon your utmost tolerance when discussing this. Without tolerance we end up
with the Inquisition again. I too claim to be a Christian but obviously my
ideas diverge ever so slightly from Geoff's and Phil's.

I've moved this off the main list as it's obviously getting away from HP in
a direct sense.

The aim of this post is to explain, not to convince.

I tried to explain my point of view in post 70318. I'm afraid I failed
totally. No one (as far as I know) knew what I was getting at. Even those
friends on HPFGU who react positively to my posts thought I had written a
"funny post". Well I wasn't joking. I quote the end of post 70318: 

"I wouldn't be surprised if HP becomes a world religion. Already some
churches have had HP sermons and many theologians love HP. Someone is now
writing a ballet about CoS. In the future people will write operas and
oratorios, streets will be named after him and there will be a Harry Potter
Day, as JKR foreshadowed in PS/SS. Here's a possible scenario. Maybe a
little exaggerated, but who can say?

"In about 2000 years time, in the year 2003 HP, people will be disputing
about whether HP really existed. "There is no historical evidence for his
existence", they will say. But of course there will be numerous holy relics.
Enough bones to put together twelve Harry Potters. There will be no copies
of the original books left and the oldest book will be one that was printed
about 300 years after Harry Potter was supposed to have lived. However there
will be certain, um, "adaptations" shall we call them, to the text, because,
well, the texts didn't quite fit in with the opinions of the School Fathers,
did they?

"Schools will have the symbol of the lightning bolt on their towers and this
symbol will be both hated and loved by millions.

"There will be a bloody history of persecution and inquisition, because
those
who didn't quite stick to the doctrine had to be "corrected", didn't they?
For their own good, of course. But that's all forgotten and forgiven now, in
2003 HP, because the Holy Dumbledad has apologised.

The Holy Dumbledad in Amor (a city of the future) will bewail the fact that
so many people are leaving the Mother School. Meanwhile young people are
leaving the Schools because they reckon it's fossilised and decaying.
They're fed up with being edified by the boring exploits of St Potter.

They're more interested in this new author who's writing an epic about a boy
called ..." (end of post 70318)

The point I was trying to make there was that the Old Testament, the New
Testament, the Gospel of the Buddha, the Tao Teh Ching, and Harry Potter are
road maps to the process of Liberation which is open to everyone who wants
to go. But they are written in SYMBOLIC form. That means that a person can
understand the process only when he really longs, deeply desires, intensely
hankers, after it. The key to these symbols is in the heart. These symbols,
as you all know, are stored in the collective unconscious.

The important thing is that what we learn from these symbols must be put
into practice immediately. I quote again here Angelus Silesius (1624-1677):
"Though Christ a thousand times in Bethlehem be born, but not in thee, thou
shalt be yet forlorn." What I'm saying is that it's irrelevant whether
Christ was born, crucified and resurrected UNLESS we do the same thing
ourselves.

Harry Potter is not fiction. It's a method in symbolic form. The New
Testament is not fiction. It's a method in symbolic form. But neither is
meant to be a faithful account of things that have happened historically.
As we can all witness, some people on HPFGU are taking everything in the
books literally. They take the death of Sirius very seriously, and some
people get very emotional. There was an excellent post by Steve about the
world-devastation if Harry dies. Yes many people are taking all this very
seriously indeed. Very literally.

If you read the New Testament with a literal interpretation, yes, I can
understand you finding the suffering on the cross extremely horrifying. The
Son of God being humiliated and tortured in this way! That interpretation
has been prevalent for nearly 2000 years. But my point is that Harry Potter
is telling us Christ is potentially present in our heart, and will be born
if we bring our James and Lily together. Then this inner Christ, this Harry,
will lead us in the process of liberation. He will undergo many trials and
there will have to be death and suffering, because whatever is not divine
within us will have to die. And that causes suffering. But I repeat:
Liberation is utterly joyful.

If you are game, read my quote from post 70318 again, but substitute the
words "Jesus Christ" for "Harry Potter". That is in fact what I hoped people
would do.

Just a small note about the words, "Eli, Eli, la'ma sabach-tha'ni?" to which
Geoff and Phil were referring. My theory is that this is a mistake. In my
opinion the original words were, "Eloi, Eloi, lamah azabvtha-ni", which
means, "Elohim, Elohim, you have poured your radiance over me." The
crucifixion is symbolical. There was no pain. There was no separation from
God.
Hans
(Is that the Inquisitorial Squad knocking on the door?)


	
	
		
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From azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 27 14:49:06 2004
From: azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk (PGR)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:49:06 -0000
Subject: JKR's site: Minesweeper boast
Message-ID: <ce5q12+gquu@eGroups.com>

Hi,

Has there been any comment on JR's boast of 101 seconds at 
Minesweeper expert level?

Does anybody else get close/beat her score?

My current best is 140 seconds.

PGR





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jul 27 17:52:19 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:52:19 -0000
Subject: Ooh - religion! (was tragedy or triumph?)
In-Reply-To: <20040727142216.6960.qmail@web25104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ce64oj+pipp@eGroups.com>

Hans theorised:

> Just a small note about the words, "Eli, Eli, la'ma sabach-
tha'ni?" to which
> Geoff and Phil were referring. My theory is that this is a 
mistake. In my
> opinion the original words were, "Eloi, Eloi, lamah azabvtha-ni", 
which
> means, "Elohim, Elohim, you have poured your radiance over me." The
> crucifixion is symbolical. There was no pain. There was no 
separation from
> God.

By 'original', do you mean 'original words spoken by Jesus' 
or 'original text from which he was quoting' (Psalm 22)?

David




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 27 17:58:15 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:58:15 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's site: Minesweeper boast
References: <ce5q12+gquu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c47403$4a7dd160$bcde6251@kathryn>

I used to have a similar score to JKR (in fact I think identical rather than
similar) - which goes to show that I do have something in common with JKR,
an ability to waste time :)

Since I got my fabulous new optical mouse I can't get near it though - the
thing is so sensitive that I keep missing the square I aim at. I find the
mouse easier to use on most other programs though, especially art programs.
*shrugs*

K
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PGR" <azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's site: Minesweeper boast


> Hi,
>
> Has there been any comment on JR's boast of 101 seconds at
> Minesweeper expert level?
>
> Does anybody else get close/beat her score?
>
> My current best is 140 seconds.
>
> PGR
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/
>
> Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from
posts to which you're replying!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 27 18:53:12 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:53:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's site: Minesweeper boast
In-Reply-To: <001c01c47403$4a7dd160$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <20040727185312.87865.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>




I am glad that you posted this I have switched to an optical mouse and I cannot get anywhere near my old scores. My best ever (98 secs)  was years ago on windows 3.11 using a Microsoft mouse. I wonder if the smaller screens also helped?

UdderPD

 

I used to have a similar score to JKR (in fact I think identical rather than
similar) - which goes to show that I do have something in common with JKR,
an ability to waste time :)

Since I got my fabulous new optical mouse I can't get near it though - the
thing is so sensitive that I keep missing the square I aim at. I find the
mouse easier to use on most other programs though, especially art programs.
*shrugs*

Kathryn
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PGR" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's site: Minesweeper boast


> Hi,
>
> Has there been any comment on JR's boast of 101 seconds at
> Minesweeper expert level?
>
> Does anybody else get close/beat her score?
>
> My current best is 140 seconds.
>
> PGR
>
>
>
>
>
> ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________
>
> Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/
>
> Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from
posts to which you're replying!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>




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From lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 27 18:27:13 2004
From: lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:27:13 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <20040723014835.91272.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ce66q1+nnmf@eGroups.com>

Lanthiriel wrote:
>  I think the idea of having two lists is a great one.
> One list for newer members who might be interested in
> rehashing the old theories that - even though they're
> adult fans - may be completely new to them. 

> The second
> list could be for the more established members, those
> who have exhausted such topics and - after having made
> a certain number of posts or being nominated by a mod?
> - desire to join in different conversations. 

> The idea
> of having a moderator very familiar with the
> discussions on the main list is also a very good one.
> That way new members could e-mail them, run a topic by
> them, and - if it were the vampire Snape theory, for
> instance - the moderator could advise them not to
> bring it up and perhaps where they could read about it
> in the archive.
> 
> They're more
> likely to end up not posting at all, too worried that
> they might get a negative reception for broaching the
> subject. Again, I understand that this has to be
> weighed with the absolute need to avoid pointless
> posts asking the same old questions - but it can also
> be very intimidating.
> 

This thread made me feel kind of sad really, because I already felt 
ashamed that I am a newbie even before reading this.

But I assure you, I really tried not to be such a burden! 
I made the effort to read the posts and FAQ etc. carefully, write my 
reply (if any!) off-line in word, check it again and again, to 
finally post it.
And now after the first enthusiasm I get more and more insecure if I 
should post at all. I even thought about consulting my house-elf 
about this!

Hence I agree that a list for newbies would be very good, although 
oldies should definitely be allowed to share their insight ; )
and I would appreciate if a read-only access to the 'experienced' 
list would be possible. 

Please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused
and  I hope that you do not feel that 'the newbies are now even 
crowding the OT list'  ; )

Why not have a poll about a newbie list, and other suggestions to 
make people (oldies and newbies alike) enjoy the list again?

Sandra






From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 27 15:57:50 2004
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:57:50 -0000
Subject: PREG #3
Message-ID: <ce5u1u+5ifc@eGroups.com>

HI!

Did you hear that the author is pregnant 

with child #3 and she says that it

won't delay book #6.

Gail






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 27 19:22:49 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:22:49 -0000
Subject: PREG #3
In-Reply-To: <ce5u1u+5ifc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce6a29+o44c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "gwharrison53"
<gwharrison53 at y...> wrote:
> HI!
> 
> Did you hear that the author is pregnant 
> 
> with child #3 and she says that it
> 
> won't delay book #6.
> 
> Gail

Sure we did! It's on her site. :) I never worried about a HBP delay,
because it fits in perfectly with my release date prediction: 2 July,
2005. She'll have that puppy (the *book* I mean) delivered to
Bloomsbury by year's end, and the baby delivered shortly after.

Annemehr
whose first reaction was not "what about book 6?" but "WHOOP!"





From sydenmill at msn.com  Tue Jul 27 20:53:29 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:53:29 -0000
Subject: Wizard Challenge Game
Message-ID: <ce6fc9+kidi@eGroups.com>

Have you all played this game yet? A great way to test your HP 
knowledge:


http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/challenge/index.htm




From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 27 23:18:07 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:18:07 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <ce66q1+nnmf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce6nrf+d1hu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sandra"
<lysandrabellargus at y...> wrote:
> Lanthiriel wrote:
> >  I think the idea of having two lists is a great one.
> > One list for newer members who might be interested in
> > rehashing the old theories that - even though they're
> > adult fans - may be completely new to them. 
> 

> Sandra:
> 
> This thread made me feel kind of sad really, because I already felt 
> ashamed that I am a newbie even before reading this.
> 
> But I assure you, I really tried not to be such a burden! 
> I made the effort to read the posts and FAQ etc. carefully, write my 
> reply (if any!) off-line in word, check it again and again, to 
> finally post it.
> And now after the first enthusiasm I get more and more insecure if I 
> should post at all. I even thought about consulting my house-elf 
> about this!
> 
> Hence I agree that a list for newbies would be very good, although 
> oldies should definitely be allowed to share their insight ; )
> and I would appreciate if a read-only access to the 'experienced' 
> list would be possible. 
> 
> Please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused
> and  I hope that you do not feel that 'the newbies are now even 
> crowding the OT list'  ; )
> 
> Why not have a poll about a newbie list, and other suggestions to 
> make people (oldies and newbies alike) enjoy the list again?
> 
> Sandra

Asian_lovr2:

Oddly enough you are the very person who should not feel shy about
posting. You obviously take is seriously, and want to do it right. We
were all Newbies at one time, and I remember making my share of not so
insightful posts. The Mods were on my case all the time about bad
spelling and bad formating, etc..., but I felt I had some good ideas.
Plus, it was fun. So, I hung in there, and eventually became and oldie.

We really do welcome new people. And if you are worrying that maybe
your idea has already been discussed, I can assure you with 99.9%
certainty that it has, but we don't let that stop us. We rehash old
topics all the time. 

What really hurts a Newbie's credibility is when they originate a new
post that asks a question that was just discussed 1 or 2 days ago.
That indicates they really aren't reading the posts. Another is to
post an idea with no foundation; I call this impulse vs idea.

Here is an example from a recent post-

An IMPULSE-
Ginny is really Crookshanks because Ginny and Hermione are such close
friends that Ginny wouldn't want to leave Hermione during the Summer
Holiday. And besides, Ginny is sooooooooooooo cute, and I think she is
secretly in love with Hermione.

An IDEA-
I think Ginny is really Crookshanks, and here is the evidence to back
it up, and here is how I explain the inconsistencies that this idea
appears to create.

So the point is, you should have something to base an idea on; you
should have a WHY to your opinion as well as a WHAT. Although, if
someone states one opinion and you have another, that frequently is
enough, as long as your opinion is based on something.

I frequently engage in what I call 'logical extention of the wizard
world' which is comprised mostly of speculation about how the parts of
the wizard world we can't see work. Example; how do business and
commerce work in the wizard world, or where does Mr. Fortescue get all
the ingredients for his ice cream? Do wizards trade goods with
muggles?  While I admit it is mostly speculation, I try to base in on
a reasonable assessment of how the wizard world is likely to work. 

And if you do manage to get a Howler or two from the List-Elves don't
let that discourage you. Even the best of us still get Howlers on
occassion. Just heed the advise, and try to do better.

Things I've done that warranted Howlers (which I claim with no sense
of pride)-

Poor spelling and formating - Been there, done that; receive many many
List-Elf email warnings.

Impulsive unsubstantiated posts - guilty as charged.

Annoying people with my overbearing unyielding opinion - Yep, did it.

Post so poorly written that they started a firestorm of
misunderstanding - Ooooo.... have I even done that. Yikes.

Fired back impulsive overstated overbearing highy critical and
opinionated post that showed quite clearly that I hadn't understood
what I read, or that I hadn't read it at all. - boy is my face red.

So, we've all made the classic mistakes, that's how those things got
on the 'do not do' list, but on the average I've tried to have
something to say, I've tried to be insightful, I've tried to
communicate clearly, I've tried and hopefully succeeded at improving
my spelling (still not perfect) and formatting. 

So don't be discouraged. And don't let the recent complaining here get
you down. Like everyone, sometimes we just need to vent.

Steve/asian_lovr2 - soon to be b_boymn






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Jul 27 23:27:20 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:27:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wizard Challenge Game
In-Reply-To: <ce6fc9+kidi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEMMDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

From: bohcoo [mailto:sydenmill at msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 16:53
| Have you all played this game yet? A great way to test your HP
| knowledge:
|
|
| http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/challenge/index.htm

I gave up on the Scholastic site; it's horrible for visually impaired users
who can't work through the ins and outs of flash graphical screens.

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Tue Jul 27 23:40:29 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:40:29 -0000
Subject: "JK Website- help"  --  Thread moved from main list
Message-ID: <ce6p5d+cpp8@eGroups.com>

From:  "fawkes970" <sollecks970 at aol.com> 
Date:  Tue Jul 27, 2004  2:22 pm 
Subject:  JK Website- help

  
Can anybody help me figure out some things on her website? I've
recently started going to it about a week ago and I've uncovered
three things, a key behind a book (picture), the erasable picture
(original typing of PS) and the ? medals into their spots. 
- but there has to be other secrets on the website, so if somebody
could please help me I'd rather like to read what they have.

 
From:  "kizor0" <ryokas at hotmail.com> 
Date:  Tue Jul 27, 2004  3:10 pm 
Subject:  Re: JK Website- help

 
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "fawkes970" <sollecks970 at a...>
wrote:
> Can anybody help me figure out some things on her website? I've
> recently started going to it about a week ago and I've uncovered
> three things, a key behind a book (picture), the erasable picture
> (original typing of PS) and the ? medals into their spots. 
> - but there has to be other secrets on the website, so if somebody
> could please help me I'd rather like to read what they have.

At the moment, there's four scrapbook secrets. The fourth has to do
with the phone - think OotP.

Then there's the hidden door, which is currently unopenable. A short
time ago it held... a brick wall. A lucky visitor, or someone with far
too much time on one's hands, could click his way through it to peek
at the title of book six. It's been told that the door will be
accessible again on later occasions.




From vitollo at budget.net  Wed Jul 28 00:01:58 2004
From: vitollo at budget.net (nyrae22)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:01:58 -0000
Subject: "JK Website- help"  --  Thread moved from main list
In-Reply-To: <ce6p5d+cpp8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce6qdm+6dc5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kelley" 
<kelleythompson at g...> wrote:
> From:  "fawkes970" <sollecks970 at a...> 
> Date:  Tue Jul 27, 2004  2:22 pm 
> Subject:  JK Website- help
> 
>   
> Can anybody help me figure out some things on her website? I've
> recently started going to it about a week ago and I've uncovered
> three things, a key behind a book (picture), the erasable picture
> (original typing of PS) and the ? medals into their spots. 
> - but there has to be other secrets on the website, so if somebody
> could please help me I'd rather like to read what they have.
> 
>  
> From:  "kizor0" <ryokas at h...> 
> Date:  Tue Jul 27, 2004  3:10 pm 
> Subject:  Re: JK Website- help
> Hi. I am new to this site. I know that if you type magic into the 
cell phone you get something. I also heard if you look in the clouds 
in out the window by the door you will see dumbledore but I didn't. 
Does anyone have anymore clues for me? I am lost.
nyrae22
>  
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "fawkes970" 
<sollecks970 at a...>
> wrote:
> > Can anybody help me figure out some things on her website? I've
> > recently started going to it about a week ago and I've uncovered
> > three things, a key behind a book (picture), the erasable picture
> > (original typing of PS) and the ? medals into their spots. 
> > - but there has to be other secrets on the website, so if 
somebody
> > could please help me I'd rather like to read what they have.
> 
> At the moment, there's four scrapbook secrets. The fourth has to do
> with the phone - think OotP.
> 
> Then there's the hidden door, which is currently unopenable. A 
short
> time ago it held... a brick wall. A lucky visitor, or someone with 
far
> too much time on one's hands, could click his way through it to 
peek
> at the title of book six. It's been told that the door will be
> accessible again on later occasions.





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Jul 28 01:02:29 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:02:29 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
References: <ce66q1+nnmf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012801c4743e$8f4d03c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Sandra wrote:

<This thread made me feel kind of sad really, because I already felt
ashamed that I am a newbie even before reading this.>

No one, should ever feel ashamed to be a newbie to HPfGU (or anywhere really), ever.
Newbies are what strengthen this group and keep it growing and moving.

Without newbie's, we'd still be five to ten people, sitting around on a list.
HPfGU-OTChatter, Movie, ect would not exist.  This list, wouldn't exist in the way it
is now.  Heck, when I joined, we had about 7,000 members (guestimating because I
really can't remember).  We were one list, and we talked about...a great many things
that have since been siphoned off into other lists.  That is the power of newbies.
They turned us from a one list (and very confusing one at that) group, to a family of
12,600 members that spans over five lists (well, more then that if you consider those
who just belong to the sister lists).

<But I assure you, I really tried not to be such a burden!
I made the effort to read the posts and FAQ etc. carefully, write my
reply (if any!) off-line in word, check it again and again, to
finally post it.>

Well, you did more then I did for my first post, of course, when I was new these
things didn't exist, but my first post was an OT about the pronunciation of Draco.  So
you're doing better then even us oldbie's did when we were new.

<And now after the first enthusiasm I get more and more insecure if I
should post at all. I even thought about consulting my house-elf
about this!>

If it's on topic, supported by canon and fits the spelling/grammar rule, post it.
Heck I don't care if it's about the darn gleam in Dumbledore's eye (my pet peeve), so
long as you post within the rules.  If others don't want to hear about it...they don't
have to read it.  We all have things we want to discuss more in depth, and things we
wish would just go away, no reason for you not to post your questions, theories,
whatevers just because you're a newb.

<Hence I agree that a list for newbies would be very good, >

I would have to disagree with this idea.  I've been a newbie, I am an oldbie (of about
three years).  I've seen both sides.  And I can only think, that three years ago, if
this idea had been in action...I wouldn't have joined, and I'm sure a great many
other's wouldn't have either.

It's all well and good to have a moderated status, we have a long list of rules and
strict requirements.  I can understand that.  I cannot understand telling a newbie,
"You're not good enough to post with us.  We are so far better then you that we don't
have time to deal with your pitiful theories and posts."  Which IS what people will
perceive, even if you aren't saying that in so many words.

I know it's hard, for those who have been here a while, to remember what it's like
when you first join.  The memories fade as new ones grow stronger.  But I can remember
clearly my first days here, heck I still remember my first post so that's saying
something.  When you're new to a group, especially a group this size, you're excited,
you're terrified, you're everything because you've finally found a place that you can
share you're theories and "what if..." ideas.  You found a group of people who have
taken the same journey through these books and understand where you're at (most of the
time...some people still don't accept my theories).  Having separate lists would take
away some of this.  Part of the joy and fun is sharing your ideas with people who have
been there.  Yeah not all our theories are original, that's part of the fun, seeing
who else thinks Snape is a vampire or Dumbledore is Ever So Evil.

Even if you allowed oldbie's onto the "new list", it's a proven fact that none of the
sister lists have the same membership as the mainlist (ex.  HPfGU--12,612members,
HPfGU-Move--2,533members, and the other sister lists have less then -Movie *and since
the current member stats are written on my hand, I know this*), so there would be a
problem of people who share your ideas, thoughts, theories, not seeing them, or people
who disagree (and yes that is needed, debate is fun, flaming is not).

I sincerely hope I'm not the only oldbie who thinks and feels this way, but it's how I
see things.

<Please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused
and  I hope that you do not feel that 'the newbies are now even
crowding the OT list'>

You have no need to apologize (unless you just flamed someone).  You have just as much
right to be here (well, here and the main list) and post as I do...probably more so
since I don't post...or frankly pay attention. :o)

Don't let anyone cause you to think you don't belong here or that we don't want you
here, because, despite what claims may be, we do need you, and your fellow newbies.
If people leave/don't post/whatever, I want it to be because they choose to, not
because they were chased off or felt unwanted.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face so, it's more like a quiet snicker
behind death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree
because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than
I am today."




From sydenmill at msn.com  Wed Jul 28 01:32:01 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:32:01 -0000
Subject: Wizard Challenge Game
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEMMDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <ce6vmh+b9b3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:

> | http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/challenge/index.htm
> 
> I gave up on the Scholastic site; it's horrible for visually 
impaired users
> who can't work through the ins and outs of flash graphical screens.
> 
> Lee :-)


Hi Lee!
Boy, you are absolutely right about the Scholastic graphics -- I 
never could get off Platform 9-3/4 or make my way through some of the 
other games they have had on that site. However, the Wizard Challenge 
game is simple and fun -- and I thought if everyone enjoyed the Harry 
Potter quizzes, they might enjoy trying that game. Thanks for your 
comments. Usually my posts drop through a big black hole -- although, 
Hawking now says things do eventually come back out of black holes, 
so maybe I should start posting again. (Heh!)

Warm regards,
Bohcoo




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 28 02:09:08 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:09:08 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <012801c4743e$8f4d03c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <ce71s4+dm3f@eGroups.com>

:
> Sandra wrote:
> 
> <This thread made me feel kind of sad really, because I already felt
> ashamed that I am a newbie even before reading this.>


Saitana: 
> No one, should ever feel ashamed to be a newbie to HPfGU (or 
anywhere really), ever.
> Newbies are what strengthen this group and keep it growing and 
moving.
>


Alla:


Exactly, Saitana. Sandra, welcome, welcome, welcome. :o)
 
Sandra: 
> <Hence I agree that a list for newbies would be very good, >

Saitana:
> I would have to disagree with this idea.  I've been a newbie, I am 
an oldbie (of about
> three years).  I've seen both sides.  And I can only think, that 
three years ago, if
> this idea had been in action...I wouldn't have joined, and I'm sure 
a great many
> other's wouldn't have either.
> 
> It's all well and good to have a moderated status, we have a long 
list of rules and
> strict requirements.  I can understand that.  I cannot understand 
telling a newbie,
> "You're not good enough to post with us.  We are so far better then 
you that we don't
> have time to deal with your pitiful theories and posts."  Which IS 
what people will
> perceive, even if you aren't saying that in so many words.



Alla:

Saitana, Amen to that too. I don't know if I can consider myself an 
oldbie yet. Am I even actively posting for a year or not yet. I am 
not so sure, BUT I lurked for more than a year, before I felt secure 
enough to start posting and for a few months I was posting maybe once 
a month.

If Newbies were segregated to separate list, I don't know if I would 
have stayed. Besides discussing HP, I am here to learn creative 
writing from many wonderful oldbies writers. If I could not talk to 
them, even if I cannot write as well as they are, I don't know...


Saitana:

Part of the joy and fun is sharing your ideas with people who have
> been there.  Yeah not all our theories are original, that's part of 
the fun, seeing
> who else thinks Snape is a vampire or Dumbledore is Ever So Evil.


Alla:

Yep, or seeing who else thinks that Snape is an abuser of the little 
children. :o)

Saitana:
 
> I sincerely hope I'm not the only oldbie who thinks and feels this 
way, but it's how I
> see things.



Alla:

No, you are not. I am with you all the way.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Jul 28 04:23:08 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:23:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Wizard Challenge Game
In-Reply-To: <ce6vmh+b9b3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEMODCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[bohcoo wrote]:

| Boy, you are absolutely right about the Scholastic graphics -- I
| never could get off Platform 9-3/4 or make my way through some of the
| other games they have had on that site. However, the Wizard Challenge
| game is simple and fun -- and I thought if everyone enjoyed the Harry
| Potter quizzes, they might enjoy trying that game. Thanks for your
| comments. Usually my posts drop through a big black hole -- although,
| Hawking now says things do eventually come back out of black holes,
| so maybe I should start posting again. (Heh!)

[Lee, Grinning]:

Well, bohcoo, as a totally blind user, I have no idea even how to get to the
Platform.  My screen reader only does text, so the Scholastic site is more
of a head-ouch than fun.  So, I look for any text-base quiz, etc.

Sometimes, Scholastic has their text in graphical format which doesn't
translate through the screen reader, so what looks like a whole page of quiz
to you translates into a single blob called "Graphic." <Grin>

I will say that the HP Lexicon is a lovely place to be for us with screen
readers...Thanks, Steve!

Later,

Lee (Who hopes she can really get some sleep
tonight...maybe...possibley...Right!) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From rxtlc at comcast.net  Wed Jul 28 17:08:28 2004
From: rxtlc at comcast.net (poppywannab)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:08:28 -0000
Subject: "JK Website- help"  --  Thread moved from main list
In-Reply-To: <ce6qdm+6dc5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce8mic+ml79@eGroups.com>

Hi, I'm new to HPfGU both main and OT lists- waving to everyone- I am having trouble accessing the info off JKR's website once I erased and found the picture.  What else do I have to do to get my last certificate? This is 
driving me nuts!!

Jenn/ Poppywannab




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 28 17:43:45 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "JK Website- help"  --  Thread moved from main list
In-Reply-To: <ce8mic+ml79@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040728174345.253.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com>

--- poppywannab <rxtlc at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi, I'm new to HPfGU both main and OT lists- waving to everyone- I am
> having trouble accessing the info off JKR's website once I erased and
> found the picture.  What else do I have to do to get my last
> certificate? This is 
> driving me nuts!!
> 
> Jenn/ Poppywannab
> 
> 
Hey, Jenn!

If you want great help with JKR's site, try www.potterskeys.com


They also have great forums there!

Good luck.

MJ


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From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 28 21:23:41 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:23:41 -0000
Subject: JKR's site: Minesweeper boast
In-Reply-To: <20040727185312.87865.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ce95gt+fqgp@eGroups.com>

All this means we can now start spreading a New Juicy Rumour:
JKR has an old-fashioned mouse!
D'you think this is news enough to get unto The Sun or some other 
large tabloid?
:)))))))))))
Love, Alice (got bored before I got under 200 secs)


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon 
<udderpd at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I am glad that you posted this I have switched to an optical mouse 
and I cannot get anywhere near my old scores. My best ever (98 
secs)  was years ago on windows 3.11 using a Microsoft mouse. I 
wonder if the smaller screens also helped?
> 
> UdderPD
> 
>  
> 
> I used to have a similar score to JKR (in fact I think identical 
rather than
> similar) - which goes to show that I do have something in common 
with JKR,
> an ability to waste time :)
> 
> Since I got my fabulous new optical mouse I can't get near it 
though - the
> thing is so sensitive that I keep missing the square I aim at. I 
find the
> mouse easier to use on most other programs though, especially art 
programs.
> *shrugs*
> 
> Kathryn
> "The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "PGR" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:49 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's site: Minesweeper boast
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has there been any comment on JR's boast of 101 seconds at
> > Minesweeper expert level?
> >
> > Does anybody else get close/beat her score?
> >
> > My current best is 140 seconds.
> >
> > PGR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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material from
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From sydenmill at msn.com  Wed Jul 28 23:24:29 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:24:29 -0000
Subject: Wizard Challenge Game
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEMODCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <ce9cjd+j0m7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> 
> [Lee, Grinning]:
> 
> Well, bohcoo, as a totally blind user, I have no idea even how to 
get to the
> Platform.  My screen reader only does text, so the Scholastic site 
is more
> of a head-ouch than fun.  So, I look for any text-base quiz, etc.
> 
> Sometimes, Scholastic has their text in graphical format which 
doesn't
> translate through the screen reader, so what looks like a whole 
page of quiz
> to you translates into a single blob called "Graphic." <Grin>
> 
> I will say that the HP Lexicon is a lovely place to be for us with 
screen
> readers...Thanks, Steve!
> 
> Later,
> 
> Lee (Who hopes she can really get some sleep
> tonight...maybe...possibley...Right!) :-)


Bohcoo replies:
I didn't realize you are totally blind, Lee. You are teaching me 
something new here: Does a screen reader let you hear what I am 
typing right now, or are your reading it with braille? I don't mean 
to sound stupid -- I am just unfamiliar with the technologies 
available to visually impaired folks.

The Wizard Challenge Game IS a word-thing vs. a graphics-game-thing, 
but it could be that since the questions and answers zoom onto the 
page with a little sound effect, it could translate as the graphics 
blob. Bummer.  

Have you always been blind or do you have memory of seeing? And, wow, 
I can only imagine what Hogwarts and all the characters must "look" 
like to you! Does the screen reader describe the maps and things like 
that from sites like the Lexicon? (Or, maybe that isn't such a good 
idea -- sometimes things don't look the way they sounded on paper!)

Warm regards,
Bohcoo




From lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jul 28 23:07:06 2004
From: lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:07:06 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list
In-Reply-To: <ce71s4+dm3f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce9biq+io7r@eGroups.com>

Sandra first wrote:
> This thread made me feel kind of sad really, because I already felt
> ashamed that I am a newbie even before reading this.>
 

unfortunatly no copy of Steve's welcome to newbies 


then Saitana: 
> No one, should ever feel ashamed to be a newbie to HPfGU (or 
> anywhere really), ever.
> Newbies are what strengthen this group and keep it growing and 
> moving.

and Alla:
> Exactly, Saitana. Sandra, welcome, welcome, welcome. :o) 

now Sandra:
thanks very much to all of you for your reassuring replys!!! Not only 
for myself but for all other newbies too.

I simply LOVE to read all the different ideas, and in the different 
styles to express them. 

I was thinking this HPfGU bug will were off after I while, but I fear 
it will keep me hooked for a long time to go... ; )

I am glad I have joined ; )))

Sandra
who did not write this reply in word and checked it again and 
again ; )





From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jul 29 01:15:42 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:15:42 -0000
Subject: Nimbus - 2003 Proceedings and our battle with the publishing people
Message-ID: <ce9j3u+ki4k@eGroups.com>

I've had a bad two days in the world of "trying to explain copyright 
laws, contracts and implied licenses to people who are really, 
really stupid". 

Some of you may know that the initial plan for Nimbus had been to 
have CafePress print the books on a print-to-order basis, but 
because of the length of the thing, it would've cost over $30 for 
the paperback, and we wouldn't've been able to sell it via anything 
but CafePress, or in eBook form, so we started to look into other 
options in the self-publishing zone. 

We had decided to take the self-publishing route because it was the 
speediest thing to do, and also because none of us had the time, 
this past spring, to find a traditional publisher with an interest 
in publishing the wide range of papers and panels presented at 
Nimbus - while we probably could've found someone to publish the 
more academic papers, we didn't want to leave things like the ship 
debate, the fanwords and fandom history panels, etc., off to the 
side; we wanted a comprehensive record of as much Nimbus as we 
could. 

Of course, there are some papers we couldn't include. <lj 
user=kitsune13> is putting one of her papers into a book already, 
for example, so we couldn't put it into the compendium - same with 
Phil Nel and Roger HIghfield (although he gave us an article to use 
instead). 

But as those of you with the CD-Rom already know, there's over 40 
papers and panels in there, and we were looking forward to them 
being available in book form. 

And they will be, but there's been a delay. 

A while ago, we contracted with iUniverse, a self-publishing house, 
to put the book together and put it out. Clearly, they were paying 
no attention to what they were doing when they put the first draft 
of the book together - they left the author names out of the table 
of contents, they didn't bold <i>or</i> center the author names at 
the top of each paper, and they did disasterous things to <lj 
user=ajhalluk> and <lj user=wendywoowho>'s footnotes, among others 
(although they said, when we sent the correction sheet back, that 
these things would all be corrected). 

But the dealbreaker came in the past two days, after <lj 
user=gwendolyngrace>, <lj user=tea_and_toast> and I had spent 
probably 30 person-hours proofing the book. 

On the proof, their copyright notice, which is their standard, said:
<blockquote>No part of this book may be reproduced or transmitted in 
any form or by any means, graphic, electronic, or mechanical, 
including photocopying, recording, taping, or by any information 
storage retrieval system, without the written permission of the 
publisher.</blockquote> 

I asked them to add in "... and the copyright holder" 
after "publisher" in the last line. I told them it would be a 
dealbreaker, and we would have to cancel publication and get a 
refund, if they refused. 

They refused. 

They actually said, "In most cases iUniverse will bring requests to 
reproduce portions of the  work to you, as representative for the 
book, but we reserve the rights as indicated on the copyright page." 
They also said that per section two of their agreement, we had given 
them the rights they were claiming on the copyright page. 

Here's what section two says: 
<blockquote>AUTHOR grants to PUBLISHER the non-exclusive, worldwide 
license to publish the WORK in print, in the English language. The 
AUTHOR also grants to PUBLISHER the right to make the WORK viewable 
on the PUBLISHER's website or partner web sites that have entered 
into agreement with the PUBLISHER in order to facilitate sales of 
the WORK.</blockquote>

We're groovy with section two. We are not, however, groovy with 
permitting a copyright notice which implies to the public that 
iUniverse has any right to grant any reproduction rights to any 
third party without the consent of the copyright holder. Arguably, 
having such a copyright notice may even cause HPEF 
to "inadvertently" appoint iUniverse as HPEF's agent for such 
purposes; per our contract with them, they actually do not have the 
right to give anyone else the opportunity to reproduce or transmit 
the works, and <i>here they are, trying to make it appear to the 
public that they do.</i> And in <i>most cases</i> they'll bring 
reproduction requests to us? In what cases won't they? 

So the contract was disolved this afternoon. And the work we've put 
into getting the proceedings published by them this summer is more 
or less for naught. 

I had a long conversation with xlibris.com today - has anyone used 
them? - about having them do the proceedings, in which case they'll 
be available via Amazon and elsewhere this fall, about 6-8 weeks 
after we expected they would be. 

I really am sorry to everyone who wanted the book (and any teachers 
who'd hoped to use it in classes this fall) regarding this delay, 
but they were trying to act in violation of the contract we'd 
entered into with them, and we could not go forward that way. 

This is why self-publishing companies should *really, really* avoid 
dealing with IP attorneys. We can be quite rigid about our practise 
areas!


heidi the disgruntled




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 29 01:40:44 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:40:44 -0400
Subject: Muggle Tech for Blind (was: Re: Wizard Challenge Game)
In-Reply-To: <ce9cjd+j0m7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMENADCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Bohcoo Wrote]:
| I didn't realize you are totally blind, Lee. You are teaching me
| something new here: Does a screen reader let you hear what I am
| typing right now, or are your reading it with braille? I don't mean
| to sound stupid -- I am just unfamiliar with the technologies
| available to visually impaired folks.

[Lee]:
I was going to take this off list, but perhaps some of these questions
reside in many minds. :-)

Well, I refrain from using braille except for choir lyrics; everything else
I use with audio, either by computer or other.

The braille displays are really expensive and somewhat flaky, IMO, and
involve carrying around an extra piece of cumbersome equipment when I want
to be as portable as possible with my laptop. <Grin>

Screen-readers convert to audio any text-based or properly encoded item they
see, so everything you type to me comes through, as well as everything I
type.  Some people like to use letter-by-letter mode, so everything they
type comes out letter by letter...slows me down big time (I type about
90-something words a minute).  So I stick to word mode.

Other things that can be set are things like the amount of punctuation
either in reading or writing mode, caps marks, etc.

By "properly encoded," I mean that some things are programmed into the
screen-reader which are general to all windows functions...complicated to
explain, so I won't get into all of that here.

[Bohcoo]:
| The Wizard Challenge Game IS a word-thing vs. a graphics-game-thing,
| but it could be that since the questions and answers zoom onto the
| page with a little sound effect, it could translate as the graphics
| blob. Bummer.

[Lee]:
Right...and it could also be that my Pop-up Stopper is making things
complicated, too, but I refuse to shut it down.  <Evil Grin>  But, yes, the
text is probably a graphical representation of text, not true text or
graphical with OCR (Optical Character Recognition).  The oft-touted PDF
file, fore example, is often a source of grief and pain, especially if its
source was a scanned file.  The file comes up "Empty file."  Sure, there's
something in it for those who can see it, but for me, it's--uh--empty.

[Bohcoo]:
| Have you always been blind or do you have memory of seeing? And, wow,
| I can only imagine what Hogwarts and all the characters must "look"
| like to you! Does the screen reader describe the maps and things like
| that from sites like the Lexicon? (Or, maybe that isn't such a good
| idea -- sometimes things don't look the way they sounded on paper!)

[Lee]:
I was born blind, but have an incurable curiosity so I do want to know the
color of people's hair and eyes, etc. :-)

As far as what the characters might look like, well, way before there was
TV, there were books and radio and, the all-important tool, the imagination.
So, using JKR's words, I create my own images.  I don't have to suffer too
much from movie contamination. <Grin>  But, I will say, the cast is pretty
dead on. <Snicker.

Now, as far as maps on the Lexicon, I'm unaware of them, probably because I
never looked for them and generally have my pictures turned off on load
because it slows down the load process to have them on and I want speed, not
pictures. <Grin>

Hope this answers some of your questions and those of anyone else on the
list.  Please dump me a note off list if you want to take this further, not
only Bohcoo, but anyone.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 29 01:45:45 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:45:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list
In-Reply-To: <ce9biq+io7r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOENADCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Sandra wrote]:

| thanks very much to all of you for your reassuring replys!!! Not only
| for myself but for all other newbies too.
|
| I simply LOVE to read all the different ideas, and in the different
| styles to express them.
|
| I was thinking this HPfGU bug will were off after I while, but I fear
| it will keep me hooked for a long time to go... ; )
|
| I am glad I have joined ; )))
|
| Sandra
| who did not write this reply in word and checked it again and
| again ; )

[Lee]:
Ah--but there are things that blasted little checker never picks up. <BEG>
I know, been there, and feel rather egg-faced when that happens.

Just remember, Sandra, one can't be a List Veteran without being a newby
first. :-)

Later,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 02:02:49 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (rynne_lupin)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:02:49 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Nox!
Message-ID: <ce9ls9+uq6f@eGroups.com>

*wanders into party room, trailing streamers*

Such a lovely day for a birthday, don't you agree?  And to 
celebrate...*passes around party hats and noisemakers*

Today's honoree is Nox!  Email Nox birthday wishes at 
silverdragon at ezweb.com.au, and I'll just get us all some food...

*disappeares, and reappears with cake and ice cream* Dig in, everyone!

Happy Birthday, Nox!

--Rynny, substitute birthday elf




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 02:33:44 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:33:44 -0000
Subject: no hiding in disguise!
In-Reply-To: <41064202.5020007@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <ce9nm8+5u6f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, mindy bindy <grapfnt at n...> 
wrote:>  >
> My brother has never read the books, but looks exactly like him.  I 
told him 
> he'd do well at conventions, but he wasn't impressed.

He must find that annoying. >:)

I finally made a page to summarize it:  
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/ajl/hp.html

if it's any consolation to your brother that somebody else is in the 
same boat!




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 12:14:04 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:14:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Last Person to See POA Movie
Message-ID: <20040729121404.91548.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>

29July04
 
Hi everyone,
 
OK, I know the movie has already been discussed on the list, but just managed to see it yesterday and have to put in my 2 knuts worth.  As usual, I'm always bothered by Hollywood's gaps in movies, but as someone already pointed out, movies aren't books and books aren't movies.  Aside from that, is there anyone else here whose old enough to remember the old monster movies of the late 50's and early 60's?  I for one am still blown away by the special effects that are possible now.  How did they make Buckbeak look like a real living creature?  Remember the robot-type monsters of long ago?  They were hardly frightening back then.  Absolutely amazing!  If anyone knows or could tell me where to find the info, would really appreciate it.
 
~Paula Gaon



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https://www.cafeshops.com/bft/216705

See Mythical Magical Creatures at:

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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Thu Jul 29 12:59:11 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:59:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last Person to See POA Movie
References: <20040729121404.91548.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4756b$d809ae00$e60b8f45@Voov>

You know, I was wondering the same thing.  June 
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 29 14:16:53 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:16:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last Person to See POA Movie
In-Reply-To: <20040729121404.91548.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGENCDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Paula wrote]:
| Aside from that, is there anyone else
| here whose old enough to remember the old monster movies of the
| late 50's and early 60's?  I for one am still blown away by the
| special effects that are possible now.  How did they make
| Buckbeak look like a real living creature?  Remember the
| robot-type monsters of long ago?  They were hardly frightening

[Lee]:
Probably CGI (Computer Generated Imaging), like was done with Dobby.  Good
CGI, as I understand it, can be most effective.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul 29 14:52:49 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:52:49 -0000
Subject: Last Person to See POA Movie
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGENCDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <ceb301+10hh4@eGroups.com>

"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [Paula wrote]:
> | How did they make Buckbeak look like a real living creature?
> Probably CGI (Computer Generated Imaging), like was done with Dobby.
> Good CGI, as I understand it, can be most effective.

A mixture of CGI and amazingly low-tech stuff to provide the actors
with cues.

See the HPANA article at

http://www.hpana.com/news.18178.126.html

for some handy links.

HTH HAND
-- 
Phil




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 16:54:33 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:54:33 -0000
Subject: Last Person to See POA Movie
In-Reply-To: <ceb301+10hh4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ceba49+nfob@eGroups.com>


> "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> > [Paula wrote]:
> > | How did they make Buckbeak look like a real living creature?

There is a video clip you can watch, that is somewhere on MSNBC.com.  
I can't think of the link offhand, but do a search... I saw it linked 
to last month off of Mugglenet or Leaky Cauldron.  Quite something!




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 17:03:35 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Last Person to See POA Movie
Message-ID: <20040729170335.32892.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>


29July04

 "Phil Boswell" <phil_hp7 at y...>  wrote:

 [Paula wrote]:
> | How did they make Buckbeak look like a real living creature?
> Probably CGI (Computer Generated Imaging), like was done with Dobby.
> Good CGI, as I understand it, can be most effective.

A mixture of CGI and amazingly low-tech stuff to provide the actors
with cues.

Paula now:


Thanks Phil!  Checked out the link--it's truly amazing.  I'm just sorry I'm not 30 years yonger.

~Paula Gaon



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https://www.cafeshops.com/bft/216705

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http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

















		
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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 17:51:27 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Bush)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:51:27 -0000
Subject: oops.....
Message-ID: <cebdev+8hm4@eGroups.com>

So, my son and I are talking last night about college choices and 
options (he's a senior in high school this year).  We were looking 
over some of the applications we've already received, and just 
talking college tin general.  He started talking about driving there 
and trying to find information on parking, etc. and I told him to 
think again, he wouldn't be taking his car right away.

"Why not?"  he asked me.

"Because first years can't have a car on campus."

He looked at me for a few seconds, patted me on the shoulder and 
said, "Mom, I'm not going to Hogwarts, I'm going to a muggle 
school.  I think you can call me a freshman."


Needless to say, that was just the start of many "pick on mom's 
obsession with Harry Potter" jokes all night long.

MJ






From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jul 29 18:30:26 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:30:26 -0400
Subject: You're Invited to Harry Potter's Birthday Party at the Museum of Discovery and Science
References: <E1BqEsU-000MCv-00@outbound1.enflyer.com>
Message-ID: <1091125833.1C111AF3@s29.dngr.org>

I'm forwarding this from the museum at their request, and I'm going to 
be helping with the card & costume contest. There will be prizes (and 
the museum is accessable from the highway and tri-rail):

YOU'RE INVITED TO HARRY POTTER'S BIRTHDAY PARTY
at the Museum of Discovery and Science

2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m.
SATURDAY, JULY 31, 2004

HARRY POTTER'S BIRTHDAY BASH!

Meet Our Harry Potter Look-alike

Enjoy Free Birthday Cake

Enter the Costume Contest Dressed as Your Favorite Harry Potter 
Character

Sign Harry's Birthday Card

Free Harry Potter Movie Poster or Trading Card to the first 200 Harry 
Potter IMAX? ticket buyers

Saturday, July 31, 2004 showtimes
4:15 p.m. and 7:00 p.m.

Come experience the magic and excitement of Harry Potter and the 
Prisoner of Azkaban: The IMAX Experience on a screen towering five 
stories high, surrounded by 12,000 watts of pure digital sound.
DON'T MISS THIS LIMITED FOUR-WEEK ENGAGEMENT!

Special engagement film prices are $11.00 for adults/seniors and $10.00 
for children ages 3 - 12. No member discounts.

For advance tickets call 954-713-0930.
For showtimes visit www.mods.org/IMAX/showtimes.htm or call 
954-463-IMAX.

====================================================================

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401 S.W. 2nd Street
Ft. Lauderdale, FL  33312
954-467-6637
954-453-IMAX
www.mods.org





To see the promotion, please go to:

http://www.enflyer.com/app/file_root/793/EnFlyers/60762.html


-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heidi



From vitollo at budget.net  Thu Jul 29 19:30:49 2004
From: vitollo at budget.net (nyrae22)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:30:49 -0000
Subject: "JK Website- help"  --  Thread moved from main list
In-Reply-To: <ce8mic+ml79@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cebj99+9pf9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poppywannab" <rxtlc at c...> 
wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to HPfGU both main and OT lists- waving to everyone- I 
am having trouble accessing the info off JKR's website once I erased 
and found the picture.  What else do I have to do to get my last 
certificate? This is 
> driving me nuts!!
> 
> Jenn/ Poppywannab

If you go to links I believe it is you can put the metals in the 
boxes. Also, on the main page type magic into the phone
nyrae22




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jul 29 19:39:50 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:39:50 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] oops.....
References: <cebdev+8hm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00f101c475a3$d1037400$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

MJ wrote:

<Needless to say, that was just the start of
many "pick on mom's
obsession with Harry Potter" jokes all night
long.>

Finally, more proof I'm not the only one who
does that!  I read a lot of HP fanfiction so
certain terms get stuck in my head.  Just the
other night I had a migraine and asked my
mother to hand me my headache potion.  She
looked at me odd till I asked her for the
Ibuprofen.  Dunno why I said it, it just came
out.

Course that's not as bad as when I was
researching funeral customs for a story and
ended up typing in "muggle funeral rites".
Took me a few seconds to realize what I had
written and bang my head against the desk.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 29 19:45:20 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:45:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] oops.....
In-Reply-To: <cebdev+8hm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKENDDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[MJ relates]:

| ...  think again, he wouldn't be taking his car right away.
|
| "Why not?"  he asked me.
|
| "Because first years can't have a car on campus."
|
| He looked at me for a few seconds, patted me on the shoulder and
| said, "Mom, I'm not going to Hogwarts, I'm going to a muggle
| school.  I think you can call me a freshman."

[Lee]:
Oh--that's good!  Both my husband and I needed the laugh!  Thanks!

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From allison_m_otto at lycos.com  Thu Jul 29 13:17:09 2004
From: allison_m_otto at lycos.com (allison_m_otto)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:09 -0000
Subject: music with HP connection
Message-ID: <ceatcl+b42r@eGroups.com>

Sort of.

Hi, everyone, I've been on the main list and movie list for a while, 
and just found my way over here.

Anyway, I checked the archive and it doesn't look like anyone has 
posted this here before.  

I highly recommend - especially if you tend to like musicals or 
opera/etta - the soundtrack for the Broadway musical 'The Secret 
Garden,' which came out around 1991-2.  I'm sure most of you know the 
story, which sticks closely to the classic children's book.  I was 
listening to it this morning, and I was struck by how many of the 
songs made me think of HP - mostly because a number of the songs are 
about people pining for the dead aunt/mother (who appears as a ghost 
in the musical) and the rest are about helping a child overcome 
adversity.  It's a bit eerie, actually.

Plus, this really isn't just a "children's" musical - the music is 
beautiful and well-written, and some of my favorite Broadway 
actors/singers perform it.  

Even if it doesn't trigger your HP radar, the song "Lily's Eyes" is, 
IMO, one of the best songs written for a musical ever.  If it does 
trigger your radar - especially if you're of the Snape-was-in-love-
with-Lily or Remus-was-in-love-with-Lily persuasion - well, it gives 
me chills.  Despite the fact that the child they're singing about is 
a girl.

Anyway, especially in light of the renewed post-movie discussions of 
the importance of Harry having Lily's eyes, that song in particular 
reminded me that I should point you all toward this CD!

-Allison

The info:

The Secret Garden (1991 Original Broadway Cast)
Music by Lucy Simon, Marsha Norman
Starring Daisy Eagan, Mandy Patinkin, Rebecca Luker, Alison Fraser, 
John Cameron Mitchell, Robert Westenberg





From allisonotto at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 19:12:42 2004
From: allisonotto at gmail.com (allison_m_otto)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:12:42 -0000
Subject: oops.....
In-Reply-To: <cebdev+8hm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cebi7a+c8pn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marita Bush" 
<maritajan at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Needless to say, that was just the start of many "pick on mom's 
> obsession with Harry Potter" jokes all night long.
> 
> MJ


It's okay, at my college, which was all women (and I think at many co-
ed schools as well) they've started to use "first-year" to avoid the 
potential sexism of "freshman" (or the unwieldiness 
of 'freshwoman').  So Hogwarts is really just ahead of the curve.:)

-Allison





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 21:22:15 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:22:15 -0000
Subject: Trying to download a Hogwarts letter
Message-ID: <cebpq7+tqaq@eGroups.com>

Help! Does anyone know where I can download a Hogwarts letter to send
to a boy who'll turn eleven tomorrow (the day before Harry Potter's
birthday)? Yes, I know I should have asked sooner, but I thought I
could cut and paste the letter or print it from the WB site. Wrong!
(Of course, I could type it myself from "Sorceror's Stone," but I'm
being lazy here.)

Carol, who's sorry to be such a hopeless Muggle about these things




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jul 29 21:24:09 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:24:09 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trying to download a Hogwarts letter
References: <cebpq7+tqaq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017401c475b2$63867080$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Which part of the letter do you need, as there
are two pages (the actual letter, and the
school supplies list).  I can type it up for
you so you can print it out, it's not a
hassle.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul 29 21:33:59 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:33:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trying to download a Hogwarts letter
In-Reply-To: <cebpq7+tqaq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040729213359.74058.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
Help! Does anyone know where I can download a Hogwarts letter to send
to a boy who'll turn eleven tomorrow (the day before Harry Potter's
birthday)? Yes, I know I should have asked sooner, but I thought I
could cut and paste the letter or print it from the WB site. Wrong!
(Of course, I could type it myself from "Sorceror's Stone," but I'm
being lazy here.)

Carol, who's sorry to be such a hopeless Muggle about these things

Udderpd here

I have already done this one it in ms-word just change the name

TTFN    Udder Pen Dragon

 




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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 21:44:06 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:44:06 -0000
Subject: Pronouncing Proserpine/a
In-Reply-To: <cdmrbk+27nr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cebr36+c7c9@eGroups.com>

annemehr wrote:
> 
Speaking of Persephone, I never did know how to pronounce Proserpine.
Anyone?

>
Jen responded: 
> I sort of steered away from Roman mythology, as I preferred Greek
> mythology.  However, I remember when I took a GM class in college,
the prof rhymed her Roman name with Porcupine.  I don't know if that's
> correct, but it sure was easy to remember. ;) Personally, I like the
> Greek names better, but it's just IMO.


Carol:
Well, the "e" is not really a Latin ending for a feminine name (I'm
assuming that was an Anglicization) and the Romans certainly didn't
use a silent "e" to signal a long "i" sound. It was actually spelled
Proserpina, which I would pronounce Prah SER pin uh. But what do I
know? I still say that Accio should be AH keo!

Carol

P.S. As I think I noted earlier, Lord Byron pronounced Don Juan as
"Don JU un" (to rhyme with "ruin" and "pursuin'"), so we really can't
trust the English poets on Proserpine. C.




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 22:06:04 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:06:04 -0000
Subject: "JK Website- help"  --  Thread moved from main list
In-Reply-To: <cebj99+9pf9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cebscc+vji6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "nyrae22" <vitollo at b...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poppywannab" <rxtlc at c...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi, I'm new to HPfGU both main and OT lists- waving to everyone- 
I 
> am having trouble accessing the info off JKR's website once I 
erased 
> and found the picture.  What else do I have to do to get my last 
> certificate? This is 
> > driving me nuts!!
> > 
> > Jenn/ Poppywannab
> 
> If you go to links I believe it is you can put the metals in the 
> boxes. Also, on the main page type magic into the phone
> nyrae22

also, try www.potterkeys.com 




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 22:16:00 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:16:00 -0000
Subject: little thing in COS
Message-ID: <cebsv0+aksj@eGroups.com>

I was reading on JKR's website (catching up is more appropriate) and 
read her answer to a question about the half blood prince and its 
relation to the chamber of secrets.  Let me put a quote in here from 
her website then ask my question:

"The link I mentioned between books two and six...relates to a 
discovery Harry made in 'Chamber' that foreshadows something he 
finds out in 'Prince.'"

In an interview (sorry, I don't have the link), JKR mentioned 
somethig small being included in the movie COS because of the 
bearing it had later in the story.  (This was discussed on the main 
list a few months back.)  Does anyone else share my opinion that 
this something small that was included in the movie is the 
foreshadowing JKR stated in her answer?  If so, any suggestions as 
to what this might be in light of the title "The Half-Blood Prince" 
(which was not known when this was discussed on the main list)?

Julie -- who read Lee's post about being visually impaired with 
great admiration




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 23:33:33 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:33:33 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <20040723014835.91272.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cec1gd+46nl@eGroups.com>



> Well, I'm definitely no authority on the workings of
> the main list and I don't feel that I have the right
> to criticize or complain, but I do have a few
> thoughts. I joined only a few weeks back and I now
> have about 500 unread daily digests sitting in my
> newly expanded Yahoo inbox. The volume is part of what
> has me so behind, but also the feeling that I rather
> "missed the boat" - that the people on the list all
> know one another, are familiar with each other's
> personal theories, pet peeves, and interests and that
> I as a new member have nothing to add - or, at least,
> nothing that anyone will really care to read. <snip>

Carol responds:
I have a suggestion for the clogged inbox problem: Go off e-mail and
post from the site. (The List Elves will insist that you check
"Special Notices" rather than "No e-mail," but it's better than trying
to keep up with individual e-mails or Daily Digests.) Posting from the
site also enables you to use the Message Index to skip FILKs and SHIPs
(or whatever), as well as threads you're tired of (Vampire!Snape and
Wizard!Dudley, in my case).

Lanthiriel wrote:
> I think the idea of having two lists is a great one.
> One list for newer members who might be interested in
> rehashing the old theories that - even though they're
> adult fans - may be completely new to them. The second
> list could be for the more established members, those
> who have exhausted such topics and - after having made
> a certain number of posts or being nominated by a mod?
> - desire to join in different conversations. The idea
> of having a moderator very familiar with the
> discussions on the main list is also a very good one.
> That way new members could e-mail them, run a topic by
> them, and - if it were the vampire Snape theory, for
> instance - the moderator could advise them not to
> bring it up and perhaps where they could read about it
> in the archive.

Carol responds:
I agree--though I have to state that I would have been unhappy to have
been placed on a Newbie list when I first joined. Maybe members of the
Newbie list who had mastered the format and the FAQ and who habitually
used canon support could be "promoted" to the main list.

I wish I knew the answer. I just know that I'm tired of juvenile,
emotion-based posts and posters who don't or can't respond calmly and
logically to rational arguments. (Doesn't mean I intend to quit the
main list, though. When it's good, it's very good, and I haven't
encountered anything else quite like it.) Here's a thought--since
HPfGU is for grownups, maybe the List Elves could raise the minimum
age to thirty? I, for one, would feel more comfortable if the
complexion of the group were less acne-spotted, with an occasional
line in the forehead or some crow's feet around the eyes. You know.
Over forty. (Sorry. Kneasy's use of "complexion" brought that thought
to my mind and I couldn't resist.)
>
Lanthiriel wrote: 
> Just my thoughts, Lanthiriel - who thinks the
> "Fantastic Posts" page is also wonderful, but who
> still feels rather lost


Carol responds:
I agree that the "Fantastic Posts" page is wonderful, but too bad it's
not up to date. Any List Elves know whether an update to include OoP
is planned?

Carol




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jul 29 23:52:05 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:52:05 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
References: <cec1gd+46nl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01ba01c475c7$0dc6f1a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Carol wrote

<Here's a thought--since
HPfGU is for grownups, maybe the List Elves
could raise the minimum
age to thirty?>

Geeze love, I know I'm rather bouncy and
immature, but really, you guys wanna kick me
off the list?  One of the problems with the
elves implementing this idea...is we would
lose elves, unless you're thinking of imposing
an age limit only on new members which...isn't
really fair.  I've seen quite a few posters
who were incredible posters in their day...who
are my age.

<Any List Elves know whether an update to
include OoP
is planned?>

I belive it's being worked on but my knowledge
is limited since I have no relation to that
bit.  One of my fellow elves could probably
give more up to date information.


Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because I
was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am today."




From abbid at carterassoc.com  Thu Jul 29 23:31:43 2004
From: abbid at carterassoc.com (amdorn)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:31:43 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
Message-ID: <cec1cv+t85f@eGroups.com>

Hello all,

I was just browsing JKR's website and where there is typically the 
wizard of the month there is a notice instead.  

I don't know how long it will be on there so I will leave some 
spoiler space for those of you who want to check it out for 
yourselves while it is still there.


S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

Happy Birthday to Neville Longbottom.  Born July 29th.  It is nice to 
know that Neville doesn't actually share Harry's birthday like I 
originally thought.

Amdorn





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 00:06:55 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:06:55 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cdrpvj+40so@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec3ev+bsfo@eGroups.com>

Julie wrote:
<snip> 
> Can Tom Riddle be redeemed and LV destroyed? Crucify the old man, so 
> to speak. Given JKR's perspective, I think this is a plausible 
> hypothesis for an ending. Overcoming hate with love, evil with 
> good, power with meekness, obsession with humility.


Carol responds:
Based on JKR's recent addition to the FAQ, I think she sees Voldemort
and Tom Riddle as the same person (though perhaps TR *evolved* into
Voldemort through murder and transformation). And the TR element of
Voldemort that we see in the graveyard scene in GoF seems as
irredeemably evil as the Voldemort inside Quirrell's head in SS/PS.

Supposing I'm wrong, though, and the Tom element can somehow be
separated out from the Voldemort element. It was Tom, not the
full-fledged Voldemort, who released the basilisk while he was still
in school (and did so again in memory form in CoS) and Tom who
murdered his father and grandparents in cold blood as a boy of about
seventeen--not to mention that he used an Unforgiveable curse three
times in order to do so.

How, under such circumstances, can he possibly be redeemed? I'm not
saying he can't. I'm just asking how it's possible. And how can the
Unforgiveable Curses be forgiveable?

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 00:23:35 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:23:35 -0000
Subject: hello, and please help with small questionnaire.
In-Reply-To: <cdu3k3+r9et@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec4e7+8f3r@eGroups.com>

heather wrote:
> I have been lurking on HP4GU for ages (I will actually post
something when I get the time) and I need to ask a small favour. I am
currently writing a dissertation for my MA about serial fiction and
how it affects the readers' relationship to the story. I am using GOF
and OOP as specific examples, and have devised a couple of questions
to ask readers.
> 
> They are set out on my webpage here: 
 
> http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~heather/hp/
 
<snip>
> I also need to find some JKR interviews to see how often she says the 
> whole thing was invented as a piece from the beginning and whther 
> there are any hints that she changed some elements on further 
> reflection. This would show that the gap between writing volumes is 
> important. (I privately think the long gap between GOF and OOP led to 
> the latter being too long).

<snip>

Carol responds:
I'll try to respond to your survey, which sounds like fun. (Besides, I
may conduct one of my own some day!) The link to most of the
interviews is 

http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/

or you can access them from the Lexicon using the Quotes link. I don't
think the Book Day chat has been added yet, but Steve or someone can
probably provide you a link. (I have one, but the text is
backwards--last answer first--and I know there's a better link somewhere.)

Good luck with your dissertation. 

Carol




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 00:33:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:33:48 -0000
Subject: Pet Theories  (Re: No responses on the main list )
In-Reply-To: <cds1aa+6tds@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec51c+jsm6@eGroups.com>

Pippin wrote:
> Eh? Vampire!Snape has canon support. You may consider it 
> convoluted, unconvincing canon support, but it's not non-existent.  
> 
> It seems to me it's the  objections to Snape as vampire or part 
> vampire or former vampire that are not canon-based, ie  
> "vampires are dead," "vampires are destroyed by sunlight." 
> Convoluted explanations are necessary only if one accepts 
> these non-canon "facts" as essential parts of JKR's vampires.
> 
> Now one could argue that  JKR's vampires must have some 
> correspondence with existing vampire lore, because otherwise 
> why would she call them vampires? 
> 
> But if she wanted to show us something about the difficulties of 
> seeing beyond stereotypes, then she'd need to pick a creature 
> for which a stereotype already exists. Enter the vampire.
> 
> 
> Pippin
> Who thinks people are a little too ready to  deny  the 
> possibility that JKR gives tricky answers, even though she's said 
> that readers like to be tricked. After all, she's not about to be 
> *caught* tricking us, is she? Not till Book Seven reveals All.

Carol responds:
I really think JKR put a stake through the heart of this theory with
her "Erm, I don't think so" response in the World Book Day chat. If
she doesn't think there's a connection between vampires and Snape,
then there isn't one. (I know you disagree; just stating my vies.)

But the only canon we have on vampires is that they have waxy white
skin and Snape's complexion, we're told repeatedly, is sallow. It was
Sirius (in his Daily Prophet photo), not Snape, who resembled the
picture of a vampire in Harry's DADA class. But I've yet to see a
Vampire!Sirius theory. 

Do vampires swoop like overgrown bats? Or is it only an association
between vampires and bats in the mind of the theorists that makes them
see this description as canon support for Vampire!Snape?

Carol, who will believe this theory when she sees Snape eating a
blood-flavored lollipop--and will stop reading the books at that point
in sheer disgust




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jul 30 00:40:50 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:40:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You're Invited to Harry Potter's Birthday Party
 at the Museum of Discovery and Science
In-Reply-To: <1091125833.1C111AF3@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCENGDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Ah--wish I could...but it's quite a drive from NJ.

Enjoy, all, and have a piece of cake for me. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 00:54:12 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:54:12 -0000
Subject: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <01ba01c475c7$0dc6f1a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cec67k+ibu3@eGroups.com>


> Carol wrote
> 
> <Here's a thought--since
> HPfGU is for grownups, maybe the List Elves
> could raise the minimum
> age to thirty?>


Alla:

Can I strongly disagree with this thought? No, it would not concern 
me, but quite a few of my favourite posters have not achieved this 
wonderful age yet :o) and honestly, their writings seem to be quite 
mature .


And No, I don't know the answer either.









From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 01:16:54 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:16:54 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <cec1cv+t85f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec7i6+gu55@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amdorn" <abbid at c...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I was just browsing JKR's website and where there is typically the 
> wizard of the month there is a notice instead.  
> 
> I don't know how long it will be on there so I will leave some 
> spoiler space for those of you who want to check it out for 
> yourselves while it is still there.
> 
> 
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> Happy Birthday to Neville Longbottom.  Born July 29th.  It is nice 
to 
> know that Neville doesn't actually share Harry's birthday like I 
> originally thought.
> 
> Amdorn


Alla:


S
P
O
I
L
E
R



Are you sure that it says July 29? When I went there it says July 30.




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 30 01:25:52 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:25:52 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <cec7i6+gu55@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec830+cg4v@eGroups.com>




> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R






Amdorn:
> > Happy Birthday to Neville Longbottom.  Born July 29th.  It is 
nice 
> to 
> > know that Neville doesn't actually share Harry's birthday like I 
> > originally thought.
 
Alla:

> Are you sure that it says July 29? When I went there it says July 
30.


Jen: Mine said July 29th too, but I assumed Neville's birthday had 
to be July 31st! "Born as the seventh months dies" and all that. 
Guess the 7th month dies on the 29th, 30th AND 31st!!




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jul 30 01:26:11 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:26:11 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No responses on the main list (Was: Wizarding Education )
In-Reply-To: <cec1gd+46nl@eGroups.com>
References: <20040723014835.91272.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <410A3053.27624.3170B06@localhost>

On 29 Jul 2004 at 23:33, justcarol67 wrote:

> I wish I knew the answer. I just know that I'm tired of juvenile,
> emotion-based posts and posters who don't or can't respond calmly and
> logically to rational arguments. (Doesn't mean I intend to quit the
> main list, though. When it's good, it's very good, and I haven't
> encountered anything else quite like it.) Here's a thought--since
> HPfGU is for grownups, maybe the List Elves could raise the minimum
> age to thirty? 

Hum... no thanks.

First of all, I object to the idea on personal grounds as I won't 
be thirty myself until early next year (-8

But secondly, I rather despise the idea of their being a solid age 
line anyway. When making laws, sometimes it's a necessity - but not 
for something like this.

There are plenty of 20 year olds I know who are more mature than 
plenty of 30 year olds that I know (I'm at university - I know a 
*lot* of people in these age groups.

Age, of course, has some bearing on whether or not someone is a 
'grownup' - but there's a lot of other factors as well.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 01:28:52 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:28:52 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <cec830+cg4v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec88k+ok03@eGroups.com>

> 
> Jen: Mine said July 29th too, but I assumed Neville's birthday had 
> to be July 31st! "Born as the seventh months dies" and all that. 
> Guess the 7th month dies on the 29th, 30th AND 31st!!


Alla:

LOL! I went and checked again and it still says Neville Longbottom, 
born July 30.

I guess you are right,Jen. 7th month dies three times. :o)




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 01:29:18 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:29:18 -0000
Subject: music with HP connection
In-Reply-To: <ceatcl+b42r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec89e+n99u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "allison_m_otto" 
<allison_m_otto at l...> wrote:
> Sort of.
> 
> Hi, everyone, I've been on the main list and movie list for a 
while, 
> and just found my way over here.
> 
> Anyway, I checked the archive and it doesn't look like anyone has 
> posted this here before.  
> 
> I highly recommend - especially if you tend to like musicals or 
> opera/etta - the soundtrack for the Broadway musical 'The Secret 
> Garden,' which came out around 1991-2. 

I saw it about half a year ago, and mentioned the same thing on the 
board-- HP'ers can appreciate the vague references.  There's even a 
Neville and a Colin. The latter's uncle sort of stifles his 
development.  >:)

A.J.




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 01:33:36 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:33:36 -0000
Subject: Grindelwald and Tom Riddle, and end of LV
In-Reply-To: <cec3ev+bsfo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cec8hg+eg7m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
>Tom who
> murdered his father and grandparents in cold blood as a boy of about
> seventeen--not to mention that he used an Unforgiveable curse three
> times in order to do so.
> 
> How, under such circumstances, can he possibly be redeemed? I'm not
> saying he can't. I'm just asking how it's possible. And how can the
> Unforgiveable Curses be forgiveable?
> 

I keep wondering if Time will come into play-- remember in the MOM 
room where Hermione exclaims to Harry, "you can't hurt a baby!" of 
the baby-headed Death Eater.  It reminded me of a bizarre post about 
a year ago wherein via a time-turner theory Harry was older than baby 
TR.

But maybe there is none of this involved.  We'll see!


A.J.




From lists at heidi8.com  Fri Jul 30 01:54:01 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:54:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: music with HP connection
In-Reply-To: <cec89e+n99u@eGroups.com>
References: <cec89e+n99u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1091152445.1DC36FBE@w5.dngr.org>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, <allison_m_otto at l...> wrote:
>
>  I highly recommend - especially if you tend to like musicals or
>  opera/etta - the soundtrack for the Broadway musical 'The Secret
>  Garden,' which came out around 1991-2.

A.J. wrote:
> I saw it about half a year ago, and mentioned the same thing on the
board-- HP'ers can appreciate the vague references.? There's even a
Neville and a Colin. The latter's uncle sort of stifles his
development.? >:)


Somewhere way, way back in 2001, on the main list, I rambled at length 
about how Colin's pale and pointy and grey-eyed description in the book 
itself was very similar to the looks JKR gave in describing Draco - and 
Colin's original attitude is very similar to draco's, at least in book 
one, as well.

Heidi



From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Fri Jul 30 02:18:50 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:18:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You're Invited to Harry Potter's Birthday Party at the Museum of Discovery and Science
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCENGDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <05cc01c475db$8d907a00$e60b8f45@Voov>

Dang, I'd love to go.  Some of us musicians ought to head down there and
play.  Ah, well, I can dream, can't I?  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Fri Jul 30 02:24:37 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:24:37 -0400
Subject: how many musicians?
Message-ID: <05ed01c475dc$5cc62180$e60b8f45@Voov>

I've got a feeling that Lee Storm and I are not the only musicians present.  I'd like to know if there are others, and who plays instrements and who sings.  I'm a keyboardist, I also sing and I do just about all kinds of music from classic country to show tunes, and I sing a lot in Spanish and Greek.  Who else plays?  June 
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 03:10:26 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:10:26 -0000
Subject: how many musicians?
In-Reply-To: <05ed01c475dc$5cc62180$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cece72+va79@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> I've got a feeling that Lee Storm and I are not the only musicians 
present.  I'd like to know if there are others, and who plays 
instrements and who sings.  I'm a keyboardist, I also sing and I do 
just about all kinds of music from classic country to show tunes, 
and I sing a lot in Spanish and Greek.  Who else plays?  June 
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I play keyboards and rhythym instruments of all kinds (cabasa, etc.) 
and I sing but not alone (prefer harmonizing).  I have dabbled with 
the bass but that's it.

As for the redeeming of TR (from a different thread, sorry), if one 
takes a Christian pov, which JKR shares and seems to write from in a 
sense, no one is WORTHY of redemption but all are extended the mercy 
and grace of redemption.  I agree, TR was a bad bad boy, but I 
prefer not to use that as an argument against the possiblity of his 
redemption.

Julie




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 03:32:18 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:32:18 -0000
Subject: how many musicians?
In-Reply-To: <05ed01c475dc$5cc62180$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cecfg2+ctt3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> I've got a feeling that Lee Storm and I are not the only musicians 
present.  I'd like to know if there are others, and who plays 
instrements and who sings. 


Hi!

Oboe player here, and I can play the piano a bit by ear.  Total band 
geek!

Alora :)




From hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 30 06:08:47 2004
From: hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk (hpfgu_elves)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:08:47 -0000
Subject: Notice of discontinued thread
In-Reply-To: <410A3053.27624.3170B06@localhost>
Message-ID: <cecolf+86k7@eGroups.com>

Esteemed List-Muggles:

Please be advised that the thread "No responses on the main list 
(Was: Wizarding Education)" should be continued on HPfGU-Feedback.  

Thank you for your cooperation!

--HPfGU List Elvses





From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 06:27:50 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (rynne_lupin)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:27:50 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Stacey!
Message-ID: <cecpp6+48dr@eGroups.com>

*pops in and shakes an angry fist at Yahoo* Stupid Yahoo!Groups, that 
denied me access to the list so that it's nearly too late to wish 
someone happy birthday!

Anyway!  We shall not let such trivial matters stop the birthday 
celebrations! (Even if it is nearly 11:30 PDT...)

*throws streamers and passes around noisemakers*

Today's birthday is Stacey!  All birthday greetings can go to her at 
staceymateo at verizon.net!

*pops out, then pops back in with a big cake* Don't forget to blow 
out the candles!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, STACEY!

--Rynny, the substitute Birthday Elf




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jul 30 06:34:20 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:34:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] how many musicians?
In-Reply-To: <05ed01c475dc$5cc62180$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGENJDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[June writes]:

| I've got a feeling that Lee Storm and I are not the only
| musicians present.  I'd like to know if there are others, and who
| plays instrements and who sings.  I'm a keyboardist, I also sing
| and I do just about all kinds of music from classic country to
| show tunes, and I sing a lot in Spanish and Greek.  Who else plays?  June

[Lee]:
Well, I twiddle with a guitar, too...the strummer not the leader.  My
keyboard is more the type that is glad sequencers exist to edit out my
errors. <Grin>

But, yes, I sing, sometimes write filk songs, and enjoy having fun with
music.  I used to be a heavy filker back in the very early 1980's after
being introduced to the genre by some friends at a Star Trek convention in
1979.  So, I filked from 1979 to 1981.  I did write a bunch of Battlestar
Galactica filk back in 1999, but it never really went anywhere. <Grin>

Guess I'd better hope the muse strikes me to write HP filk. <Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From trekker at fh-konstanz.de  Fri Jul 30 07:22:53 2004
From: trekker at fh-konstanz.de (jetc79)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:22:53 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Someone_in_or_near_Le=F3n=3F?=
Message-ID: <cect0d+2ouh@eGroups.com>

Hello everyone,

I recently moved to Le?n, Spain, for job reasons. I hardly know 
someone beside my collegues and I am curious wether some list-member 
might live near? 

BTW, one of the first things I bought was the Spanish edition of 
PS/SS, though I hardly speak any Spanish. I can only understand it 
cause I know the original by heart :-)

Greetings, Stephanie







From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 09:01:09 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:01:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
Message-ID: <20040730090109.16512.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com>


30July04

  "dumbledore11214" <dumbledore11214 at y...>  wrote:


>
> "Jen: Mine said July 29th too, but I assumed Neville's birthday had
> to be July 31st! "Born as the seventh months dies" and all that.
> Guess the 7th month dies on the 29th, 30th AND 31st!!


Alla:

LOL! I went and checked again and it still says Neville Longbottom,
born July 30.

I guess you are right,Jen. 7th month dies three times. :o)"

Paula Now:

I checked again just this minute and saw 30/7/04.  Seems to me that you're both right.  Remember that originally, months were lunar; the new month began with the New Moon and mid-month the full moon.  So, the month was considered to be in the process of ending around the fifteenth--as the full moon waned.  Hence, the month doesn't die 3 times, but has been in the PROCESS of dying since the fifteenth.
~Paula Gaon




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From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 30 09:54:38 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:54:38 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <cec1cv+t85f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ced5su+6vfl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amdorn" <abbid at c...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I was just browsing JKR's website and where there is typically the 
> wizard of the month there is a notice instead.  
> I don't know how long it will be on there so I will leave some 
> spoiler space for those of you who want to check it out for 
> yourselves while it is still there.
[which I will preserve just in case the problem is only mine]
> 
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> Happy Birthday to Neville Longbottom.  Born July 29th.  It is nice
> to know that Neville doesn't actually share Harry's birthday like I 
> originally thought.

Well I just tried this and when I flipped up the "Wizard of the Month"
pad, I got a blank sheet with the red "circle" scribed onto it.
Clicking it brought up a blank book.

Another glitch?
-- 
Phil




From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 30 11:02:38 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:02:38 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <ced5su+6vfl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ced9se+hstr@eGroups.com>

I wrote:
>"amdorn" <abbid at c...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I was just browsing JKR's website and where there is typically the 
> > wizard of the month there is a notice instead.  
> > I don't know how long it will be on there so I will leave some 
> > spoiler space for those of you who want to check it out for 
> > yourselves while it is still there.
[which I will preserve just in case the problem is only mine]
> > 
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> > 
> > S
> > P
> > A
> > C
> > E
> > 
> > Happy Birthday to Neville Longbottom.  Born July 29th.  It is nice
> > to know that Neville doesn't actually share Harry's birthday like
> > I originally thought.
> Well I just tried this and when I flipped up the "Wizard of the
> Month" pad, I got a blank sheet with the red "circle" scribed onto
> it. Clicking it brought up a blank book.
> Another glitch?

And now it's not coming up at all. I get that "progress bar" thing
which just sticks there.

Burgles!
-- 
Phil




From spin01 at aol.com  Fri Jul 30 12:19:43 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:19:43 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <ced5su+6vfl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cedecv+1s61@eGroups.com>

Hi,  I went and checked out the calander and it now has Happy 
Birthday Neville on it.  When you click you get a birthday card.
sherry

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Boswell" 
<phil_hp7 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amdorn" <abbid at c...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I was just browsing JKR's website and where there is typically 
the 
> > wizard of the month there is a notice instead.  
> > I don't know how long it will be on there so I will leave some 
> > spoiler space for those of you who want to check it out for 
> > yourselves while it is still there.
> [which I will preserve just in case the problem is only mine]
> > 
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> > 
> > S
> > P
> > A
> > C
> > E
> > 
> > Happy Birthday to Neville Longbottom.  Born July 29th.  It is nice
> > to know that Neville doesn't actually share Harry's birthday like 
I 
> > originally thought.
> 
> Well I just tried this and when I flipped up the "Wizard of the 
Month"
> pad, I got a blank sheet with the red "circle" scribed onto it.
> Clicking it brought up a blank book.
> 
> Another glitch?
> -- 
> Phil




From sydenmill at msn.com  Fri Jul 30 12:56:31 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:56:31 -0000
Subject: Muggle Tech for Blind (was: Re: Wizard Challenge Game)
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMENADCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cedghv+2m6s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> 
> Hope this answers some of your questions and those of anyone else 
on the list.  Please dump me a note off list if you want to take this 
further, not only Bohcoo, but anyone.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)


Bohcoo replies:
Thank you so very kindly, Lee, for your excellent explanation of your 
computer system for the visually impaired. Wow. I am sure that there 
are a lot of folks on this list who enjoyed your post as much as I 
did. 

Since most of the following relates to Harry Potter, I decided to 
leave this post on list for the time being.

I agree with you about formulating mental pictures about all the 
characters and settings of the Potter series -- and, every book, for 
that matter. That is the joy of reading -- going to places and doing 
things in our imagination that we've never experienced before.

In the Harry Potter series, however, I never could get my mental 
pictures to quite make sense -- hence, my question to you about the 
maps and so forth in the Lexicon. I was wondering what you do when 
that happens for you.

Those maps helped me make sense of the setting in a way that I 
couldn't from just reading the text. As an example, the ground of 
Hogwarts -- I could never quite place the Quidditch field, related to 
the castle and Whomping Willow and so on.

The thing that threw me the most was the lake. We're told that 
Hogwarts sits on top of a cliff overlooking a lake that continues 
UNDER the castle a short distance to a small harbor where the first 
years disembark from their little boats. The confusion for me, in 
just that one, of many, descriptions, is how, then, in later books, 
Harry and Hermoione were able to walk all the way around the lake. 
Bridges and footpaths?

Then, there are numerous descriptions of the students leaving through 
the castle front door to walk down the "sloping" lawns to the edge of 
the lake -- which,in MY imagination would at some point involve the 
descriptive need for "Awh-h-h-h-h-h-h-k" as they fell off the face of 
the cliff before landing at lake's edge.

It wasn't until I looked at some of the maps and things on sites like 
that Lexicon that I could finally get the setting to somewhat make 
sense. So, I was wondering if you have confusions like I did -- and, 
how you resolve them.

Bohcoo
(I would love to hear how your screen reader says the Awh-h-h-h-k 
part of my post. [Big kind-but-evil-grin] Also, just as a matter of 
curiosity, what does your screen reader do when it hits a misspelled 
word?)

 




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jul 30 15:28:22 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:28:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Muggle Tech for Blind (was: Re: Wizard Challenge
 Game)
In-Reply-To: <cedghv+2m6s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCENNDCAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

I'll make this short and sweet as I've got some RL things to attend to, but,
, catch me off list and we can hash more.

In the meantime, you wrote:

[bohcoo]:
| It wasn't until I looked at some of the maps and things on sites like
| that Lexicon that I could finally get the setting to somewhat make
| sense. So, I was wondering if you have confusions like I did -- and,
| how you resolve them.

[Lee]:
Simple...I ignore them. :-)  I sort of do a mental map using things I
personally can identify with and kill off the clutter, so to speak.  It's
complicated and probably stems from not having vision, but trying to
entertain thoughts of a large expanse of territory not having covered same
by one's two feet creates mental clutter, so it's broken down into immediate
areas.
|
| Bohcoo
| (I would love to hear how your screen reader says the Awh-h-h-h-k
| part of my post. [Big kind-but-evil-grin] Also, just as a matter of
| curiosity, what does your screen reader do when it hits a misspelled
| word?)

[Lee]:
Hmm--A lot of that depends which voice I'm using.  Let's see...the Scansoft
voices don't do really well at running letters, so each one is individually
pronounced.  The way you wrote it, the Eloquence voices don't handle it
well, either. :-)  They get as far as the "aw" but then give individual
consonants.  Gotta add more vowels into the hopper...like Aaaaaaahk! :-)

And if mis-spelled words are still within the phonetic range, again,
depending on the speech engine voices, the pronunciation should be close or
the same.

Again, pop me a note off list and we can continue more furtherer (and that's
not a typo; that's a Stormism.) :-)

Cheers, and enjoy the day.

Lee :-)

P.S.
Say a quickie prayer for Art who's having a basal cell thingy removed from
his nose as I'm sitting in the kitchen typing this.

Lee :)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 17:35:52 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:35:52 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <ced9se+hstr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cee0to+nb7a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Boswell" <phil_hp7 at y...>
wrote:
> I wrote:
> >"amdorn" <abbid at c...> wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > I was just browsing JKR's website and where there is typically the 
> > > wizard of the month there is a notice instead.  
> > > I don't know how long it will be on there so I will leave some 
> > > spoiler space for those of you who want to check it out for 
> > > yourselves while it is still there.
> [which I will preserve just in case the problem is only mine]
> > > 
> > > S
> > > P
> > > O
> > > I
> > > L
> > > E
> > > R
> > > 
> > > S
> > > P
> > > A
> > > C
> > > E
> > > 
> > > Happy Birthday to Neville Longbottom.  Born July 29th.  It is nice
> > > to know that Neville doesn't actually share Harry's birthday like
> > > I originally thought.
> > Well I just tried this and when I flipped up the "Wizard of the
> > Month" pad, I got a blank sheet with the red "circle" scribed onto
> > it. Clicking it brought up a blank book.
> > Another glitch?
> 
> And now it's not coming up at all. I get that "progress bar" thing
> which just sticks there.
> 
> Burgles!
> -- 
> Phil

Annemehr:
You just have to clear your cache. Look in your browser's "help"
section if you need to.

You are certainly not alone -- there were a lot of people on The Leaky
Cauldron site who had the same problem. I had to clear my cache to get
the Neville page to load, and also back when the DND sign came off the
door, so I think it's going to happen every time there's a special
graphic update (as opposed to mere new text in the "Rumours" or "FAQs"
sections for instance).

Also, regular AOL users will apparently have to use another browser to
see these until AOL clears their own cache, or something.

Annemehr





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 18:37:34 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:37:34 -0000
Subject: Trying to download a Hogwarts letter
In-Reply-To: <017401c475b2$63867080$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cee4he+aav1@eGroups.com>

Saitaina wrote:
> Which part of the letter do you need, as there
> are two pages (the actual letter, and the
> school supplies list).  I can type it up for
> you so you can print it out, it's not a
> hassle.

Carol:
Thanks, Saitana and Udderpd and anyone else who offered suggestions.
Hans sent me the letter as a Word file offlist. (Thanks, Hans!) I
changed the name and the font (I used Brush Script MT, 16-point--looks
great and is easy for a kid to read). I used the same font for the
envelope. Now to find an owl to deliver it. Whoo hoo!

Carol






From csalgado at rcn.com  Fri Jul 30 20:12:27 2004
From: csalgado at rcn.com (oldone7777)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:12:27 -0000
Subject: Nobody has mentioned the new baby!
Message-ID: <ceea3b+48ve@eGroups.com>

JKR has listed under "News" she is expecting a baby next year! Isn't 
it lovely! She seems confident her pregnancy won't interfere wtih 
her writing of The Half Blooded Prince. Sounds like she's on good 
footing with the book, even though she still won't say when it will 
be ready.

Congradulations Ms. Rowling!
Sincerely,
oldone




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jul 30 21:06:06 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:06:06 -0000
Subject: New notice on JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <cec88k+ok03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ceed7u+m3mv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Jen: Mine said July 29th too, but I assumed Neville's birthday had 
> > to be July 31st! "Born as the seventh months dies" and all that. 
> > Guess the 7th month dies on the 29th, 30th AND 31st!!

Um, I think the calendar shows the date on your computer, just as the
watch shows the time.

Or am I missing something?

--Dicentra




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Fri Jul 30 21:24:03 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:24:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nobody has mentioned the new baby!
References: <ceea3b+48ve@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0c4d01c4767b$89aa9790$e60b8f45@Voov>

Actually, I seem to remember seeing something about the new baby on here
some time last week.  Do y'all think we could come up with a card to send
her when the little one arrives?  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 02:09:32 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (rynne_lupin)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 02:09:32 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Christian!
Message-ID: <ceev0s+s3dp@eGroups.com>

*wanders in and smiles* Ah, what a lovely day for a birthday!  Don't 
you all agree?

*starts rummaging through boxes for party decorations* Ah, here they 
are! *starts hanging streamers and passing out party favors*

Today's birthday is Christian Stub?!  Reach Christian for birthday 
wishes at pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no.

Now, I believe the cake is ready...or at least it should be. *pops 
out, and pops back in again with a big cake* Dig in, everyone!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHRISTIAN!  




From strawberry at jamm.com  Sat Jul 31 08:06:25 2004
From: strawberry at jamm.com (Jenni A.M. Merrifield)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:06:25 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry!
Message-ID: <cefju1+fs1l@eGroups.com>

  Since I actually happen to be up at this late (early?) time, I 
thought I'd take a moment to say Happy Birthday to our favourite 
Wizard. ;-)

  Also, as happened on the 29th for Neville, if you get a chance to 
check out http://www.jkrowling.com/ while your system clock still 
says July 31st, you'll see that, where the "Wizard of the Month" is 
usually found, it says "Happy Birthday" on the front and "Harry 
Potter" on the inside.  Clicking on it shows a nice birthday cake 
for him too :-)

Jenni

PS: Hi!  While I'm new and still moderated on the chatterlist, I've 
been on the main list for a few weeks now.  Don't know how often 
I'll participate here - I have enough difficultly keeping up with 
the main list traffic! :-)
=JAMM





From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 31 10:23:07 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:23:07 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005
Message-ID: <cefrub+ilev@eGroups.com>

Hi!

Just a quick question, is anyone on here planning on going to Accio 
2005 in Reading, Uk?

I've just registered and wondered if there will be any familiar names 
going?!  None of my RL friends are into HP as much as me!!




From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jul 31 13:45:36 2004
From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Hans=20Andr=E9a?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:45:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Accio 2005
In-Reply-To: <cefrub+ilev@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040731134536.14852.qmail@web25102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

 --- aggiepaddy wrote: 

---------------------------------
Hi!

Just a quick question, is anyone on here planning on going to Accio 
2005 in Reading, Uk?

I've just registered and wondered if there will be any familiar names 
going?!  None of my RL friends are into HP as much as me!!

Hans:
Yes my wife and I are definitely coming to Accio! I hope to meet some of you
there too!




	
	
		
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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sat Jul 31 15:22:42 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:22:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Harry!
References: <cefju1+fs1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c47712$396b8180$e60b8f45@Voov>

I second that.  Happy birthday to both Harry and Neville.  June 
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 31 16:25:24 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:25:24 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry!
In-Reply-To: <cefju1+fs1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cegh5k+cdpg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" 
<strawberry at j...> wrote:
>   Since I actually happen to be up at this late (early?) time, I 
> thought I'd take a moment to say Happy Birthday to our favourite 
> Wizard. ;-)
> 
>   Also, as happened on the 29th for Neville, if you get a chance 
to check out http://www.jkrowling.com/ while your system clock still 
> says July 31st, you'll see that, where the "Wizard of the Month" 
is usually found, it says "Happy Birthday" on the front and "Harry 
> Potter" on the inside.  Clicking on it shows a nice birthday cake 
> for him too :-)
> 
> Jenni
*****\(@@)/*****

*raises her glass of butterbeer*

Happy Birthday, Harry, Neville and JKR!

*cuts the cake* mmmmmmmm! very good! *continues cutting cake and 
laying out pieces for everyone to taste* Everyone have some!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Sat Jul 31 20:28:47 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:28:47 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry!
In-Reply-To: <cegh5k+cdpg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cegvdv+ajel@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" 
> <strawberry at j...> wrote:
> >   Since I actually happen to be up at this late (early?) time, I 
> > thought I'd take a moment to say Happy Birthday to our favourite 
> > Wizard. ;-)
> > 
> >   Also, as happened on the 29th for Neville, if you get a chance 
> to check out http://www.jkrowling.com/ while your system clock 
still 
> > says July 31st, you'll see that, where the "Wizard of the Month" 
> is usually found, it says "Happy Birthday" on the front and "Harry 
> > Potter" on the inside.  Clicking on it shows a nice birthday cake 
> > for him too :-)
> > 
> > Jenni
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> *raises her glass of butterbeer*
> 
> Happy Birthday, Harry, Neville and JKR!
> 
> *cuts the cake* mmmmmmmm! very good! *continues cutting cake and 
> laying out pieces for everyone to taste* Everyone have some!
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

*licks icing off fingers* I was sort of hoping there would be more on 
the JKR site today than just a cake...like maybe the DND sign off the 
door with a little Harry's birthday present for all of us? Can't help 
but feel a little disappointed. 
MsTattersall





From aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 31 22:41:13 2004
From: aggie at raggie.freeserve.co.uk (aggiepaddy)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:41:13 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005
In-Reply-To: <20040731134536.14852.qmail@web25102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ceh769+on5b@eGroups.com>

> Hans:
> Yes my wife and I are definitely coming to Accio! I hope to meet 
some of you
> there too!
> 


Aggie:
Excellent!!  We should make sure we meet up.  Maybe have a HPfGU 
stand or something!!  

Where are you coming from?  Reply off list if you prefer.