From kcartweel at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 00:28:14 2004
From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 00:28:14 -0000
Subject: So I have three items...
In-Reply-To: <009e01c4473a$6af3bbd0$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <c9giiu+vv70@eGroups.com>

where do I click on them? I haven't found any yet ( that I know )








- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > So question: what does the messageboard do? Oh.. and I have the phone
> > number and trophy room for sure and I am not sure what the third I
got was
> >
> >
> 
> There's a 'blank' piece of paper on the messageboard (it appears
last when
> the page loads) and an eraser (actually a revealer) at the bottom.
When you
> use it on the paper you get a picture of a cauldron & 4 ingredients.
Find
> them and click and they vanish, when you have all 4 you get the bonus
> content.
> 
> The other is in the links section - there is a book with a ? on it. Move
> that and you get a key to unlock the box on the right of the shelves.
> 
> K







From kcartweel at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 02:33:32 2004
From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 02:33:32 -0000
Subject: So I have three items...
In-Reply-To: <c9giiu+vv70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9gpts+rapf@eGroups.com>

Ok-instead of that here are the scrapbook items I have:

Page of doodlings
Very early page of phil. stone
Ancient drawings
First typed manu..


ok anything else?


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kcartweel" <kcartweel at y...>
wrote:
> where do I click on them? I haven't found any yet ( that I know )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...>
wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > So question: what does the messageboard do? Oh.. and I have the
phone
> > > number and trophy room for sure and I am not sure what the third I
> got was
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > There's a 'blank' piece of paper on the messageboard (it appears
> last when
> > the page loads) and an eraser (actually a revealer) at the bottom.
> When you
> > use it on the paper you get a picture of a cauldron & 4 ingredients.
> Find
> > them and click and they vanish, when you have all 4 you get the bonus
> > content.
> > 
> > The other is in the links section - there is a book with a ? on
it. Move
> > that and you get a key to unlock the box on the right of the shelves.
> > 
> > K




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Jun  1 02:47:18 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 02:47:18 -0000
Subject: So I have three items...
In-Reply-To: <c9gpts+rapf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9gqnm+45l5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kcartweel" <kcartweel at y...>
wrote:
> Ok-instead of that here are the scrapbook items I have:
> Page of doodlings
> Very early page of phil. stone
> Ancient drawings
> First typed manu..
> ok anything else?

That's all that anyone has.




From ekrbdg at msn.com  Tue Jun  1 03:04:04 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 23:04:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: So I have three items...
References: <c9gqnm+45l5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004701c44785$1a2b8a20$cc85f343@hppav>


> > Ok-instead of that here are the scrapbook items I have:
> > Page of doodlings
> > Very early page of phil. stone
> > Ancient drawings
> > First typed manu..
> > ok anything else?
>
> That's all that anyone has.
>
>
>
And it's quite lousy to have had all those items and now there's nothing to
play with on the JKR site.    I am, however, looking forward to seeing who
the next Wizard of the Month is !    :-)
Kimberly


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From ekrbdg at msn.com  Tue Jun  1 03:14:59 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 23:14:59 -0400
Subject: Wizard of the Month
References: <c9gqnm+45l5@eGroups.com> <004701c44785$1a2b8a20$cc85f343@hppav>
Message-ID: <005d01c44786$a09ab620$cc85f343@hppav>

  I am, however, looking forward to seeing who
> the next Wizard of the Month is !    :-)
> Kimberly
>
>

Oh, never mind....the Wizard of the Month is up already !   I figured it
would change
on the 1st.     It's Gwenog Jones.    Check it out !

Kimberly


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From astratrf at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 05:00:59 2004
From: astratrf at aol.com (astratrf)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 05:00:59 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
Message-ID: <c9h2ib+bmt2@eGroups.com>

I have a question for those who have been sorted by the wonderful 
personality lab sorting hat-- the one with lots of statements that you 
rate 1-9.  Has anyone been sorted into Slytherin, or even close?  My 
family and a few friends have all done it, and Slytherin always comes 
in last-- by a lot!  So we're wondering, do we just hang out with a 
lot of smart, brave and/or loyal people, or is the test loaded against 
Slytherin?
-Astra





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Jun  1 05:08:11 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:08:11 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] personality lab sorting hat
References: <c9h2ib+bmt2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <013701c44796$6fca1e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Where is this sorting hat?  I have never come
into anything BUT Slytherin (as I am, and
always will be a definite Slytherin
personality), so if you could link me I shall
put it to the test.

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 05:12:15 2004
From: lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com (linda williams)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:12:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <c9h2ib+bmt2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040601051215.82937.qmail@web50707.mail.yahoo.com>

Astra <astratrf at aol.com> wrote:
> I have a question for those who have been sorted by the wonderful 
> personality lab sorting hat-- the one with lots of statements that 
> you rate 1-9.  Has anyone been sorted into Slytherin, or even close?  
> My family and a few friends have all done it, and Slytherin always 
> comes in last-- by a lot!  So we're wondering, do we just hang out 
> with a lot of smart, brave and/or loyal people, or is the test loaded 
> against Slytherin?


I tried this test, too, and actually TRIED to test into Slytherin, but, of course was sorted into Ravenclaw, with Gryffindor coming in close second. This is about as far removed from my personality as you could get. I think it is strongly biased against Slytherin, as several websites seem to be. GGRRR. I happen to see myself as a Slytherin, which is certainly not a bad thing. I hope some other people will comment on this, too.
 
Linda
Slytherin and proud of it




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  1 06:47:00 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:47:00 -0000
Subject: HBO (Re: For the Alan Rickman fans out there.
In-Reply-To: <c9g8pb+ketb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9h8p4+urp6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...> 
wrote:
> Alas, too bad I despise HBO otherwise I'd watch. 
> 

Really? I'm Israeli so I don't have access to the channel itself, but 
I have to say that practically every American program that I like 
seems to be produced by HBO. Except, of course, for Showtimes' QAF 
(yum).

Naama, culturaly colonized




From psychobirdgirl at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 07:24:41 2004
From: psychobirdgirl at yahoo.com (psychobirdgirl)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:24:41 -0000
Subject: So I have three items...
In-Reply-To: <004701c44785$1a2b8a20$cc85f343@hppav>
Message-ID: <c9havp+erj5@eGroups.com>

   I am, however, looking forward to seeing who
> the next Wizard of the Month is !    :-)
> Kimberly
> 
> 
So what is supposed to happen when you click on the wizard of the 
month, because I get the option to click it and then the little 
loading bar never fills, also what do you do with the phone, and 
what does it mean when the wind blows and knocks stuff over, I've 
only ever seen that happen while I'm waiting for the page to load 
for the wizard of the month thing and I want to know if it does 
anything.

Long list but help would be appreciated.

psychobirdgirl

ps-next to the doodles and the ancient drawing things in the 
scrapbook there are numbers, does everyone get the numbers 2 and 4 
or do some people get different treats so there are different 
numbers?





From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 09:52:14 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:52:14 -0000
Subject: So I have three items...
In-Reply-To: <c9havp+erj5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9hjke+gco0@eGroups.com>

"psychobirdgirl" <psychobirdgirl at y...> wrote:
> So what is supposed to happen when you click on the wizard of the 
> month, because I get the option to click it and then the little 
> loading bar never fills

Having the same problem here.

> also what do you do with the phone

You dial a certain infamous telephone number, which has been revealed
in another message if you want to spoil yourself.

Otherwise, consider the various telephone calls we've overheard in the
books, and think which one we've actually been told the number that
was dialled.

HTH

> , and 
> what does it mean when the wind blows and knocks stuff over, I've 
> only ever seen that happen while I'm waiting for the page to load 
> for the wizard of the month thing and I want to know if it does 
> anything.

That is apparently Peeves, or a relative of his who hangs around in
JKR's office :-)

If you watch the background, which is ironically easier whilst you're
frozen waiting for a download, you might see a scurrying doxie
fluttering across the desk. Also watch out for the watch ;-)

> ps-next to the doodles and the ancient drawing things in the 
> scrapbook there are numbers, does everyone get the numbers 2 and 4 
> or do some people get different treats so there are different 
> numbers?

Same thing: AD = 4, PoD = 2

I can only assume that these are to show where in JKR's notebook they
came from. So either there are more goodies to come or there's stuff
that's even more scrappy that she won't ever divulge.
-- 
Phil





From jasonlava at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 11:47:37 2004
From: jasonlava at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:47:37 -0000
Subject: It was 37 years ago today.
Message-ID: <c9hqcp+7ktu@eGroups.com>

I know there's alot of filkers that have filked Beatles tunes here so 
here's some trivia for you.

I just heard on the radio that today was the day Sgt. Pepper's album 
was released in 1967.  

Of course the entire album has been filked on CMC's site and it's 
worth looking at.





From ekrbdg at msn.com  Tue Jun  1 13:07:48 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:07:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: So I have three items...
References: <c9havp+erj5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c447d9$71f56740$6de4f943@hppav>

 > > 
> So what is supposed to happen when you click on the wizard of the 
> month, because I get the option to click it and then the little 
> loading bar never fills, also what do you do with the phone, and 
> what does it mean when the wind blows and knocks stuff over, I've 
> only ever seen that happen while I'm waiting for the page to load 
> for the wizard of the month thing and I want to know if it does 
> anything.
> 
> Long list but help would be appreciated.
> 
> psychobirdgirl 

*Kimberly's comment*
For those that can't see it or it won't load for, here is what it says...

"Gwenog Jones"   (Gwenog is female)
(1968-present)
Captain and Beater of only all-
female national Quidditch Team, the 
Holyhead Harpies 

Kimberly


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 13:24:20 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:24:20 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rupert, Dan and Emma
Message-ID: <1e6.21b81480.2deddd84@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/1/2004 4:17:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
And with blatant disregard to the fact that Dan will begin filming 
GoF in March next year, when he will be 14, the age that Harry would 
be in the book; Emma will be 13/14 (again, ideal) and Rupert 15/16 
which only makes him a year older than his book character, which, 
I'm sure, will hardly be noticed. 

They've already begun work on GoF, that's why Rupert, Dan and the twins have 
such long hair, it's required for the film.  The trio are a year older than 
their characters -- in GoF, Harry's 14, but Dan will be 15 in July, for 
instance.  They took too long between a couple of movies (SS and CoS, I think) and 
lost momentum.  If JKR can get the books out fast enough, there should be no 
problem with the kids staying in their roles.  I've read several reports, 
including a quote from Dan (can't give you links, sorry, I've been to too many sites 
in the last couple of days -- follow links on The Leaky Cauldron and 
DanRadcliffe.com and you'll find them eventually) where Dan and a couple of other quotes 
say the producers are talking about keeping them for the whole series.  Dan 
himself says he can't think beyond #5, possibly, but I'm sure when the time 
comes, he'll make a good decision (hopefully one we'll agree with!!).  There's no 
excuse for the studio thinking the kids can't continue -- in their own TV 
shows, they have 25 (?) year old Tom Welling playing 17 year old Clark Kent, for 
instance -- and that's just one of a LOT of shows/movies where they have 
adults (who can work longer hours than children) playing teenagers.  I don't think 
we need to worry about the trio leaving any time soon.  WB has surely noticed 
what a wild reaction Dan, in particular, got at the premieres in the US and 
UK.  They'd be pretty darned stupid to change horses in the middle of this 
particular stream. . . .  ;->


Lynda 
* * *
". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP


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From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 16:33:02 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:33:02 -0000
Subject: So I have three items...
In-Reply-To: <00b301c447d9$71f56740$6de4f943@hppav>
Message-ID: <c9ib3u+7ffk@eGroups.com>

"Kimberly" <ekrbdg at m...> wrote:
> > So what is supposed to happen when you click on the wizard of the 
> > month, because I get the option to click it and then the little 
> > loading bar never fills, 
[snip]
> *Kimberly's comment*
> For those that can't see it or it won't load for, here is what it
says...
[snip again]

Thanks for that.

Seems to be working now.

Has anyone found any more clues to stuff?
-- 
Phil




From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Tue Jun  1 18:00:40 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:00:40 -0400
Subject: Jo's site, was So I have three items...
In-Reply-To: <c9ib3u+7ffk@eGroups.com>
References: <00b301c447d9$71f56740$6de4f943@hppav>
 <c9ib3u+7ffk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040601135733.03802080@mail.toltbbs.com>


>"Kimberly" <ekrbdg at m...> wrote:
> > > So what is supposed to happen when you click on the wizard of the
> > > month, because I get the option to click it and then the little
> > > loading bar never fills,
>
>Thanks for that.
>
>Seems to be working now.
>
>Has anyone found any more clues to stuff?
>--
>Phil
>Another Phil replies:

Jo's Fan Sites
Current Winner June 2004:
Godric?s Hollow
A great site run by real enthusiasts. The people who designed this site 
have really
Thought It Through ? my kind of people. I am however shocked at the number 
of moderators
who want to be sorted into Slytherin
 and you should know that the 
Hufflepuffs? common
room isn?t a dungeon, it?s more a cellar - a subtle but important difference.
View Website
http://www.godrics-hollow.net


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From astratrf at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 20:11:23 2004
From: astratrf at aol.com (astratrf)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:11:23 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <013701c44796$6fca1e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <c9intb+hqhd@eGroups.com>

Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting hat,
it can be found at 
http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm
-Astra

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> Where is this sorting hat?  I have never come
> into anything BUT Slytherin (as I am, and
> always will be a definite Slytherin
> personality), so if you could link me I shall
> put it to the test.
> 
> Saitaina
> ****
> "Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
> skin, that's a pretty good indication that
> he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina
> 
> "No, one day I'm going to look back on all
> this and plow face-first into a tree because
> I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
> still be having a better day than I am
> today.




From Kimberly.Tarasenko at Colorado.edu  Tue Jun  1 20:51:01 2004
From: Kimberly.Tarasenko at Colorado.edu (Kimberly)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:51:01 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <20040601051215.82937.qmail@web50707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c9iq7l+mieq@eGroups.com>

Well, I just did the test twice, once for real (I got Hufflepuff, 
which is silly becuase I'm definitely either Griffidor or 
Ravenclaw).  And then I did it with the express purpose of trying to 
get into Slytherin, and I got 100% Slytherin that time, so it 
definitely is possible.  But to do that, I put 9s for things like "I 
like to tease and pick on my peers", "I am jealous and envious; I 
want what other people have" and "I try to take advantage of other 
people".  Those seem to be biased questions anyway, so I think that 
people would be less likely to say that those are very 
characteristic of them, even if it were true.  So I do believe that 
that test is baised.




Kimberly







From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 00:41:49 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:41:49 -0000
Subject: more on Jo's site...
Message-ID: <c9j7od+aqv2@eGroups.com>

Longtime lurker getting seriously obsessed with her site!  It's all 
fun, though.  I have all four items, but what do I do with them?  
Someone said to click it and they vanish...click the items??

Also, are we supposed to be trying to catch the fly or the butterfly?

I actually caught one once (whew) and something popped up on my 
screen about allowing JK Rowling access to something...I don't 
know!  I've spent the day off and on trying to hunt for stuff.  

Also, on the fan sites page, I put the two medals into the boxes, 
but there's still one empty box, and I don't know what goes into it


I have to say, this is one of the coolest sites I've ever been to. 

Thanks for any help!




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 01:53:17 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:53:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Simon! (Belated)
Message-ID: <20040602015317.98638.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>

*scurries around the room quickly, scattering confetti
in all directions and trailing streamers as she goes*

Yes, I forgot a birthday. I'm hoping Simon will accept
my sincere apologies and join in the fun.

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Simon. Belated
birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Simon at: simon.hp at virgin.net

I hope your day was filled with magic and the company
of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Simon!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 01:57:11 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Stephanie and Thalia!
Message-ID: <20040602015711.93149.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

*surveys the already decorated room with satisfaction
and wanders off to find more food for the growing
crowd of well-wishers*

Don't be shy, come on in. The party's in full swing
and there's always room for more people.

Today's birthday honourees are Stephanie (Sam) and
Thalia Chaunacy. Birthday owls can be sent care of
this list or directly to Stephanie at:
sam2sar at charter.net and to Thalia at: thalia at aokp.org

I hope the day has been magical and brought everything
you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Stephanie!
Happy Birthday, Thalia!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From siskiou at vcem.com  Wed Jun  2 02:58:05 2004
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:58:05 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <c9intb+hqhd@eGroups.com>
References: <013701c44796$6fca1e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
 <c9intb+hqhd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1903542587.20040601195805@vcem.com>



Hi,

Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 1:11:23 PM, astratrf at aol.com wrote:

> Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting hat,
> it can be found at 
> http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm

I just took the test, and came out almost equal for
Griffindor, Ravenclaw *and* Hufflepuff!

Just a couple of points difference between the three.

I guess the sorting hat would have a bit of trouble deciding
where to put me ;)

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed Jun  2 03:07:38 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:07:38 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <c9intb+hqhd@eGroups.com>
References: <013701c44796$6fca1e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <40BDD11A.26720.33371D@localhost>

On 1 Jun 2004 at 20:11, astratrf wrote:

> Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting hat,
> it can be found at 
> http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm

This is cool - 94% Ravenclaw. I can live with that (-8

(75%G, 71%H, 48%S)


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From aleesas_attic at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 03:18:03 2004
From: aleesas_attic at yahoo.com (Joyce Wu)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:18:03 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <1903542587.20040601195805@vcem.com>
Message-ID: <c9jgtb+47ia@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
I'm glad to see they've made the sorting process difficult to get 
into Slytherin - given that the majority of the students in 
Slytherin come from families who are advocates of racial purity (or 
the magical version of it), I don't think the site would want to 
encourage muggles to emulate! ;)

cheers,
Joyce

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at v...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 1:11:23 PM, astratrf at a... wrote:
> 
> > Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting 
hat,
> > it can be found at 
> > http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm
> 
> I just took the test, and came out almost equal for
> Griffindor, Ravenclaw *and* Hufflepuff!
> 
> Just a couple of points difference between the three.
> 
> I guess the sorting hat would have a bit of trouble deciding
> where to put me ;)
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at v...




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun  2 03:21:45 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:21:45 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
References: <c9jgtb+47ia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c44850$bc647420$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Joyce wrote:

<I'm glad to see they've made the sorting
process difficult to get
into Slytherin - given that the majority of
the students in
Slytherin come from families who are
advocates of racial purity (or
the magical version of it), I don't think the
site would want to
encourage muggles to emulate! ;)>

Just because who the kids come from may have
a wrong philosophy of live, doesn't mean
those of us who share Slytherin traits
(ambition, cunning, skill at some of the more
underhanded methods of human interaction)
doesn't mean we should shy away and hide our
personality.   Some of us actually enjoy
being Slytherin personalities, the same as
Gryffindors, Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs.

Just because one has a belief, doesn't mean
the rest do.

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun  2 03:30:15 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:30:15 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
References: <c9jgtb+47ia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007501c44851$ec5598c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

I'd like to prove that if you are definitely
a slytherin, you will get the result.  No
faking, honest awnsers--96

 Got Gryffindor at 71, Ravenclaw at 48 and
Hufflepuff at 9 (thank the lords above).

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From aleesas_attic at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 03:33:44 2004
From: aleesas_attic at yahoo.com (Joyce Wu)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:33:44 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <006b01c44850$bc647420$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <c9jhqo+coju@eGroups.com>

Saitaina,
I think you've misunderstood what I'm trying to say. There's nothing 
wrong with ambition or intelligence, but I think the whole point of 
the book is to illustrate the damaging effects of dividing people 
into categories and proceed to treat them as such. Even the sorting 
hat in book 5 expressed its concern of creating further rifts within 
the wizarding world by dividng children into different houses at 
Hogwarts. 

However, going back to your statement regarding Slytherin. Given 
that HP are children's books, and given that most of the Slytherin 
characters _in the book_ are shown as bullies, I think the site 
exercised good judgement by making it hard to be sorted into the 
house. 

cheers,
Joyce

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> Joyce wrote:
> 
> <I'm glad to see they've made the sorting
> process difficult to get
> into Slytherin - given that the majority of
> the students in
> Slytherin come from families who are
> advocates of racial purity (or
> the magical version of it), I don't think the
> site would want to
> encourage muggles to emulate! ;)>
> 
> Just because who the kids come from may have
> a wrong philosophy of live, doesn't mean
> those of us who share Slytherin traits
> (ambition, cunning, skill at some of the more
> underhanded methods of human interaction)
> doesn't mean we should shy away and hide our
> personality.   Some of us actually enjoy
> being Slytherin personalities, the same as
> Gryffindors, Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs.
> 
> Just because one has a belief, doesn't mean
> the rest do.
> 
> Saitaina
> ****
> "Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
> skin, that's a pretty good indication that
> he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina
> 
> "No, one day I'm going to look back on all
> this and plow face-first into a tree because
> I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
> still be having a better day than I am
> today."




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 04:06:32 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 04:06:32 -0000
Subject: Rupert, Dan and Emma
In-Reply-To: <c9g761+hc9m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9jjo8+cggf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...> 
wrote:

> What creeps me out is Daniel R. and my ex-hubby share many same 
> facial features. 


Try sharing many same facial features (except eye color) with Dan R. 
and being FEMALE!  That gets a lot of comments.

http://www.cyberpawz.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?
album=random&cat=10071&pos=-11324




From minmari at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  2 08:28:25 2004
From: minmari at hotmail.com (minmari at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:28:25 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <c9intb+hqhd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9k339+s315@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "astratrf" <astratrf at a...> 
wrote:
> Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting hat,
> it can be found at 
> http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm
> -Astra

Thanks for the link!  I wondered about this sorting hate site before, 
but I kept forgetting to ask.  My results turned out pretty much as I 
expected.  Ravenclaw edged out Gryffindor by just a few points.  
Hufflepuff was far behind and Slytherin was at the very bottom.

I always thought I was a Ravenclaw, but I admit, I was a tad 
disappointed with the examples of Ravenclaw students that JKR gave us 
in the books. Though, I now feel much better about Ravenclaw with the 
addition of Luna Lovegood.  I find her just fascinating.  While I am 
not quite as...um...spacey(?) as Luna, I can definitely relate on 
more than a few levels.  ;)  

Still, with my points for Ravenclaw and Gryffindor being so close, I 
imagine the Sorting Hat would have had a hard time with me too, as it 
did with Hermione.  I wonder which house I would have picked if given 
the choice?...Hmmmm....

Again, thanks for the link!

Mindy  





From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Wed Jun  2 11:02:53 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 6:02:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
Message-ID: <20040602110253.KQYO1464.out001.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>


From: Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

Silverthorne: *snerks at this quote*


http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."


Aha! I thought I recognized the name...wasn't Methos saying that in a fanfic somewhere?? Now I'll have to go get into Gyspy's fanfic collection and look for it. I seem to vageuly recall I liked that Highlander fic....

Anne/Silverthorne



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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 11:01:04 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
Message-ID: <20040602110104.41930.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com>

2June2002

 http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm


Mindy wrote:
"... My results turned out pretty much as I
expected. Ravenclaw edged out Gryffindor by just a few points.
Hufflepuff was far behind and Slytherin was at the very bottom.

I always thought I was a Ravenclaw,... 

I find her (LunaLovegood) just fascinating...
Still, with my points for Ravenclaw and Gryffindor being so close, I imagine the Sorting Hat would have had a hard time with me..."

Paula now:

I'm with you, Mindy.  This test IS fascinating and I came out just as you did.  Always had a feeling that I was a Ravenclaw, and when Luna made the scene, I was convinced!  Also, I'm sure that I would have given the Sorting Hat a little "push" as Harry did when he was sorted, and spoken up for Ravenclaw.  All through school, teachers were always pushing me to be more socially active because I enjoyed the loner's life so much--always sitting in a corner doing something a bit esoteric, like reading up on magic and wizardry...

Whatever--there's a place for all of us in the world.  Maybe this is a big part of JKR's message to us.

~Paula Gaon

 






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From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Wed Jun  2 11:00:12 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 6:00:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
Message-ID: <20040602110012.LKMJ29216.out009.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

Hi,

Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 1:11:23 PM, astratrf at aol.com wrote:

> Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting hat,
> it can be found at 
> http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm

Silverthorne:

Well, here's a first--I actaully got put into Hufflepuff! Hard to believe with as standoffish as I can be sometimes....

Final results:

Gryffindor: 74
Ravenclaw: 81
Hufflepuff: 84
Slytherin: 18

It's an interesting test--although there is one problem. Most of the questions are based on what you yourself think of the situation and yourself. Although it usually is a good indication, the problem is that if someone is not honest with themselves about themselves, they'll get a bit of a different answer than if they knew themselves well (Or were being honest).

Also, it *is* a bit difficult to be placed as Slytherin for the very simple reason that the only traits the testers are going by for indicators is ambition and thirst for power (and it's pretty dmaned obvious how you would have to answer to get to that result). 

Although JKR may want it that way in the books, I still disagree...but that's just my trip on the whole thing anyway--although I agree with the concept of Good and Evil, I also look at the world from a persepctive of Balance--and that means there is necassary Shadow that must go with the Light...but that's a different conversation altogther, I think....so I'll drop it now, especially since I'll have to explain that statement and how it's not the same as allowing evil... ^^;

Anne/Silverthorne


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun  2 11:50:27 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:50:27 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
References: <20040602110012.LKMJ29216.out009.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000701c44897$cce2e560$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Silverthorne wrote:

<Also, it *is* a bit difficult to be placed
as Slytherin for the very simple reason that
the only traits the testers are going by for
indicators is ambition and thirst for power>

Which as many people know I have in spades
which is probably why I got it.  I do agree
that the test is rather unbalanced in that
area.  Some questions are obviously geared to
certain houses with some that make me go
"What the..."  but the Slytherinish questions
are definitely out of whack with all the
traits a Slytherin would have.  They might as
well have just asked me if I run around
stabbing people in the back in my quest for
ultimate power.

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Wed Jun  2 12:12:19 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 7:12:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
Message-ID: <20040602121219.QTCU28276.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

Saitiana:

Which as many people know I have in spades
which is probably why I got it.  I do agree
that the test is rather unbalanced in that
area.  Some questions are obviously geared to
certain houses with some that make me go
"What the..."  but the Slytherinish questions
are definitely out of whack with all the
traits a Slytherin would have.  They might as
well have just asked me if I run around
stabbing people in the back in my quest for
ultimate power.


Silverthorne:

*Laughs at that thought* yeah, well...you know how it is...;)

I have to agree there...what I wonder though...a lot of the questions with how 'social' you happen to be I would have expected to go into Slytherin (that made sense, didn't it? :P)--I tend to be social with only certian people (read friends, family, and a few interesting strangers that I strive to make friends with...). Obviously, my anti social nature did not go there...nor did it disqualify me from Hufflepuff...which to me, seemed a little odd...and although I know a lot of people would perk up with 'Ah, but that trait belongs to Ravenclaw! (thinking bookworms), I disagree with that assessment. Having hung around with quite a few free thinking, highly intelligent, 'bookworms'--the one thing I can tell you for certain is that MOST of them are definitely social--after all, they LOVE to get together and discuss....just about anything...

And woe betide the poor sot who can't keep up! Lol...

Silverthorne


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun  2 12:23:43 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:23:43 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
References: <20040602121219.QTCU28276.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002001c4489c$726d99e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Silverthorne wrote:

<I have to agree there...what I wonder
though...a lot of the questions with how
'social' you happen to be >

Well I happen to be quite anti-social in RL
due to agoraphobia and a phobia of everyone
judging me (which doesn't help that I know
they ARE, first impressions and all).  I
still rated quite high in Slytherin so I'm
sure those questions were geared for another
house.

Intresting note though, when I was in my
third highschool, I was part of the in crowd
and was actually showing more of my
Gryffindor streak (I rated highly for
Gryffindor as well on the 'hat'), so perhaps
that's where those questions are aimed?

Of course many (not all) Slytherin's need to
be social as when one tends to stab friend in
the back or use them as stepping stones, one
needs to quickly find replacements.

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Jun  2 12:51:16 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:51:16 -0000
Subject: JKR Website question forwarded from main list
Message-ID: <c9kig4+i047@eGroups.com>

From:  Nrsedany2be at aol.com 
Date:  Mon May 31, 2004  11:23 pm
Subject:  help!!!!!!

 
ADVERTISEMENT
 
 
I know this is OT but if someone could email me at 
nrsedany2be at aol.com, I
can't seem to get the spider on JKR's website, I read that it was on 
the main
page but I can't get it.
Thanks Danielle

 





From hpfgu_list_elves at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 13:47:26 2004
From: hpfgu_list_elves at yahoo.com (hpfgu_list_elves)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:47:26 -0000
Subject: MESSAGE - Chicago Tribune interview request
Message-ID: <c9klpe+i1mt@eGroups.com>

Hi there!

NOTE: discussion of the following that 
does not involve canon should as always take 
place only on OTC.

An interview request from the Chicago Tribune
has arrived here at Hexquarters and we are
looking for all adult (18 or over) HPfGU 
members who are residents of Chicago.  Please 
contact us at 

HPforGrownups-owner @yahoogroups.com
(minus the extra space)

ASAP for the chance to talk to the reporter 
before the very tight deadline (Wednesday, 
June 2nd). We will do our best to hook you 
up with the reporter before the window of 
opportunity closes. Please be sure to 
include your name as well as your telephone 
number and we'd appreciate knowing the Yahoo 
ID associated with your membership here.

Because the article is going to be about 
Harry Potter's mass appeal, how he's a kid 
adults can relate to, the adult/universal 
themes that can be found in the books, etc., 
be advised that you probably should prepare 
brief answers to these:

- Why does Harry Potter appeal so much to 
grown-ups?

- Why do you, personally, like the series 
so much?

- Your age, place of residence, profession 
(also of interest: married or unmarried, 
has kids or not)

On the off chance that the reporter asks 
for concise and quotable sound bites from 
non-Chicago residents too, we'd like to 
ask for everyone's input. If you have ever 
written (or have the time now to write) 
answers to the above questions, please 
email them to us at 

HPforGrownups-owner @yahoogroups.com
(minus the extra space)

as soon as you can.  If any of you out 
there are willing and able, we hope you 
will participate...and really, this is surely 
one of our favorite topics here at HPfGU.

This message might seem slightly unusual, but 
it seems to be a great opportunity to publicise 
our group and we are sure that many of our 
members will welcome the chance to be involved.

Thank you very much! We now return you to 
the regularly scheduled programming of 
merrily meandering discussion threads.

:) Penapart Elf
for the List Admin Team

REMINDER: discussion of the above that does 
not involve canon should as always take place 
only on OTC 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter).




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 14:29:09 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:29:09 -0000
Subject: News and Rumors
Message-ID: <c9ko7l+pcq4@eGroups.com>

Hey, all --

The News and Rumors sections have new updates this morning (that's in
addition to the Wizard of the Month and Fan Site updates from the
other day)!

Somebody on TLC comments said the door opens, but I couldn't get it to
-- I wonder if that person was referring to Jo's mention of it being
hacked into?

Anyway, enjoy!

Annemehr





From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 14:54:43 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:54:43 -0000
Subject: JKR Site: Extra stuff
Message-ID: <c9kpnj+n4bj@eGroups.com>

Does anyone think there's any significance in some items being duplicated?

(If you do a screen grab whilst getting into and out of the "Extra
stuff" section, you can see a bit more of the hidden stuff.)

The duplicated items include:
* a scrap of notes about sorting
* business cards for:
** Christopher Little (publishers)
** Colman Getty (publicity) looks like "Dotti Irving"
** "TAXIS"
** (I think) "STREET CARS" (again) which is the one which falls down
when Peeves flies through
** "Proffesional Baby..." [sic] presumably ...sitters
** "Lee & Sons" construction

I suppose someone's got all of these recorded somewhere? I can't be
the only sad git who's bothered? :-)
-- 
Phil




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 15:15:37 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:15:37 -0000
Subject: JKR Site: Extra stuff
In-Reply-To: <c9kpnj+n4bj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9kqup+51l8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Boswell" <phil_hp7 at y...>
wrote:
> Does anyone think there's any significance in some items being
duplicated?
<snip>
> I suppose someone's got all of these recorded somewhere? I can't be
> the only sad git who's bothered? :-)
> -- 
> Phil

Well, the STREET CAR card is there three times, so that you can make
out the complete phone number -- but punching it into the phone does
nothing. Incidentally, is that a real UK or Scotland phone number?
<imagines unfortunate owner of the number blowing stack after
thousands of extra phone calls>

Anyway, I do have the impression that maybe some of the things that do
nothing will turn into Easter Eggs later, for new scrapbook items. 
The pen on the Extra Stuff page, the different candles, and the
bookmark on the Links page, for instance.  Perhaps those duplicated
items will be significant later, too. For these things to be there all
along will make them less obvious as Easter Eggs if they're activated
than they would be if they suddenly appeared when new Scrapbook items
are available.

On a separate note, it seems we are getting site updates in dribs and
drabs over a day or two -- think we might get the FaQ Poll answer
tomorrow? <crosses fingers>

Annemehr

P.S. There was never any news anywhere regarding the actual transcript
of the Mugglenet chat discussing Spongebob that JKR was on, was there?
 Very odd, though apparently the owner of the server posted (here or
on TLC) that he was having memory problems -- wouldn't that be a
kicker if the transcript was accidentally lost forever? :-/




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 20:48:13 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:48:13 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <20040602110104.41930.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c9leed+mhpp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...> 
wrote:
> 2June2002
> 
>  http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm


You know, when I first took this last night, my initial result had me 
gasp in horror:  it SEEMED to post 'gryffindor, ravenclaw, 
hufflepuff, slytherin' in order.  But wait.  That was how the 
Mugglenet Interactive sorter worked, not this.  Reading my house 
scores, big surprise, I get basically exactly the same results as the 
other sorters.  H 90, R 86, G 78, S 6  So these sorters must be 
working well, if they ALL say that Hufflepuff wins out just beating 
Ravenclaw, with Gryffindor close behind, and practically nothing of 
Slytherin at all.  <:\  I'll point friends to this as a good sorting 
test...

aj




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 01:12:28 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:28 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <40BDD11A.26720.33371D@localhost>
Message-ID: <c9ltts+r3qu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
> On 1 Jun 2004 at 20:11, astratrf wrote:
> 
> > Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting 
hat,
> > it can be found at 
> > http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm
> 
> This is cool - 94% Ravenclaw. I can live with that (-8
> 
> (75%G, 71%H, 48%S)
> 
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
> (ISTJ)       | drednort at a... | ICQ: 6898200 
> "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
> thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
> facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
> uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
> need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
> Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia

*****\(@@)/*****

Great test! 94% Ravensclaw for me! (82% G, 83% H, and 18% S)

Dudemom_2000

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From bumbledor at charter.net  Thu Jun  3 01:43:10 2004
From: bumbledor at charter.net (Bumbledor)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:43:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
References: <c9ltts+r3qu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4490c$210a39d0$6401a8c0@mac>

WHAT?!!!  I got a 97 and was put in Gryffindor.



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> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately"
> <drednort at a...> wrote:
> > On 1 Jun 2004 at 20:11, astratrf wrote:
> >
> > > Saitana, and anyone else who'd like to try the fabulous sorting
> hat,
> > > it can be found at
> > > http://www.personalitylab.org/tests/ccq_hogwarts.htm
> >
> > This is cool - 94% Ravenclaw. I can live with that (-8
> >
> > (75%G, 71%H, 48%S)
> >
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> > Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> > Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
> > (ISTJ)       | drednort at a... | ICQ: 6898200
> > "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
> > thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the
> > facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be
> > uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that
> > need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
> > Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia
>
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>
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From seeker at texasquidditch.com  Thu Jun  3 03:23:58 2004
From: seeker at texasquidditch.com (texasquidditch)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:23:58 -0000
Subject: Texas Quidditch update
Message-ID: <c9m5ke+qjt1@eGroups.com>

While you are waiting patiently for the new film, please visit 
www.texasquidditch.com for the latest update on magical locations in 
Texas. My latest discovery is of a wizarding marketplace similar to 
Diagon Alley, beneath the very streets of a major metropolitan city.

Visit often, and you may be the fortunate Seeker 10K, who will win a 
coveted Texas Quidditch logo shirt. 

Constant Vigilance!
Seeker




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Thu Jun  3 02:03:56 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:03:56 -0500
Subject: ALERT - HP on Nick
Message-ID: <000001c4490f$0be4af10$6401a8c0@Einstein>

Iggy here.
 
I just found out that Dan Radcliffe and Emma Watson are supposed to be
on Nickelodeon's "You Pick Live" show on Thursday, June 3rd.  The show
is on from 5pm to either 7 or 8pm.  (I think it's 7.)  This is Pacific
Daylight Time.  (Adjust appropriately for your own time zone.)
 
Brent and Candace (the hosts) didn't say exactly when Dan and Emma are
supposed to be there, but the guests are often there for a number of
segments of the show.  (Usually an interview, some fan questions via the
Nick.com web-site, and a game or two.)
 
Just wanting to make sure anyone who gets the main Nickelodeon channel
knows about this.
 
 
Iggy McSnurd
 
 


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From gameshark_54 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 05:26:45 2004
From: gameshark_54 at yahoo.com (Jim)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 05:26:45 -0000
Subject: Cracking the Door Ajar (JKRowling Official site)
Message-ID: <c9mcql+c5nv@eGroups.com>

Concerning the door. The project to open the door was taken up by 
myself, jimmybondo87, and someone who goes by the name ~osiris~. We 
have been posting our finidings and thoeries on the Camber of 
Secrets forum. Let me state some facts:

1-THe latin is Dummy text as stated by Jo, this was assumed soon 
after I posted the text online
2-YOu cannot open the door any longer
3-You cannot open the door without "cheating" as some may call it

THese are the facts, you can check out the vast number of thoeries 
as well as out wel documented findings here
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=25869&page=1&pp=30

And my original gif to the opening of the door here 
http://www.mediapimp.com/uploader/pics/room3.gif

I hope this answers many questions people have
Jim




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 09:10:51 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:10:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
Message-ID: <20040603091051.10423.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>

3June2004
 
  ConstantVigilanceSeeker wrote: "

While you are waiting patiently for the new film, please visit
www.texasquidditch.com for the latest update on magical locations in Texas...
Visit often, and you may be the fortunate Seeker 10K, who will win a coveted Texas Quidditch logo shirt."



Paula Now:

Hi everyone,

I'm not being a spoiler, just want to understand something better.  Could there possibly be any copyright violation when selling merchandise with the word "Quidditch" printed on the merchandise?  If anyone has an idea, please post. I was told by someone "in the know" that a coined word, such as Quidditch isn't Public Domain. 

Thanks,

~Paula Gaon 




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From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Thu Jun  3 10:40:43 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 5:40:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
Message-ID: <20040603104043.FOMC3910.out005.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

T-shirts and things of the sort are always a sticky wicket when it comes to copywrite infringement. To be honest, unless Rowling herself decides to *really* throw a fit (and I doubt she would if she's secretly prowling fanfic sites and HP groups without fireballing the whole lot like some authors would), I have a feeling there won't be much of a problem...

I come up with this brilliant conclusion from one very simple fact--any Science Fiction/Anime/Fantasy convention that you walk into has scores of merchant tables (And art galleries) selling merchandise from various shows, books, movies, comics, etc. that are not from the original creators of whatever story it happened to be. As far as I can tell, it's either perfectly legal...or else ignored. which I doubt since half the time those very same authors, movie makers, whatevers can be signed on as guest speakers for various forums... 

The one thing I do know is that if your work *is* related to someone elses' domain, you'd best ackowledge it--if you don't, then I think even the Con Gods will throw you out...

Anyway, I suspect that either the Texas Site is running under 'Con' rules, so to speak, or they've been sanctioned, somehow, by Rowling (something most people 'borrowing' someones else's brainchild will do anyway, if they have half a brain cell...)

Anne/Silverthorne


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun  3 11:51:34 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:51:34 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
References: <20040603091051.10423.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c44961$4c51c860$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Paula wrote:

<I was told by someone "in the know" that a
coined word, such as Quidditch isn't Public
Domain.>

The word "Quidditch" is trademarked by Warner
Brothers.  You'd have to get direct licensing
from them to create and sell t-shirt with
that word.

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 12:21:04 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
Message-ID: <20040603122104.86121.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>


3June2004

 Silverthorne <silverthorne.dragon at v...>  wrote:


"...Anyway, I suspect that either the Texas Site is running under 'Con' rules, so to speak, or they've been sanctioned, somehow, by Rowling..."

Paula now:

Hummmm..., Wonder how one would go about getting JKR's consent.  Could this be done by email?  It's worth a try.  The worst thing that could happen is getting a real "runaround".

~Paula Gaon


 




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From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  3 13:01:49 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:01:49 -0000
Subject: Cracking the Door Ajar (JKRowling Official site)
In-Reply-To: <c9mcql+c5nv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9n7ft+hv5p@eGroups.com>

> 1-THe latin is Dummy text as stated by Jo, this was assumed soon 
> after I posted the text online
> 2-YOu cannot open the door any longer
> 3-You cannot open the door without "cheating" as some may call it
> 
> THese are the facts, you can check out the vast number of thoeries 
> as well as out wel documented findings here
> http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=25869&page=1&pp=30
> 
> And my original gif to the opening of the door here 
> http://www.mediapimp.com/uploader/pics/room3.gif
> 
> I hope this answers many questions people have
> Jim


Jen: All except one--Why? I mean, if nothing is behind there yet and 
JKR has told us to be patient, why not wait until she makes it 
possible to open the door on-site? 

Also, JKR referred to the opening of the door as the work of 
fans 'hacking' her site--do you consider what you're working on 
hacking or not?

Jen, very curious about this whole situation




From astratrf at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 13:47:38 2004
From: astratrf at aol.com (astratrf)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:47:38 -0000
Subject: Personality lab sorting hat
Message-ID: <c9na5q+3nh6@eGroups.com>

Someone (sorry, forgot who in the slew of messages I've gone through) 
mentioned that the sorting hat only works if you're being honest with 
yourself.  I've got an interesting idea.  Sort yourself, and then ask 
someone close to you to sort you, as best they can, but on their own, 
no help!  It might be interesting to see if others see one as they see 
themself.
-Astra




From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jun  3 13:24:52 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:24:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
In-Reply-To: <20040603122104.86121.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040603122104.86121.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1086275684.13BFF1BC@s29.dngr.org>


On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 8:31am, Paula Gaon wrote:
> 3June2004

Silverthorne wrote:

"...Anyway, I suspect that either the Texas Site is running under 'Con' 
rules, so to speak, or they've been sanctioned, somehow, by Rowling..."

Paula now:

Hummmm..., Wonder how one would go about getting JKR's consent. Could 
this be done by email? It's worth a try. The worst thing that could 
happen is getting a real "runaround".


T shirts, hats and the like are part of Warner Bros' license, and thus 
JKR doesn't even have the right to give permission for things like this 
anymore.

Warner Bros does  sell licenses, and you can talk with their licensing 
department for the specific rules, but speaking as someone who's created 
a lot of fan-themed merchandise for Potter-fans, it's a difficult thing 
to get, to be sure.

FictionAlley, as well as other sites, put out a bunch of shirts- none of 
ours have any Potter-trademarks on them, and we don't use any 'full 
names' of characters on our stuff.

However, other sites, like The Leaky Cauldron, use some trademarks on 
stuff, but all the proceeds go to charity, which may be why WB allows it 
to happen in that  case. At TLC, also, we do it with wb's knowledge, as 
does FA, even if we don't have any official consent.

However, I'm also one of the  approvers for art, including t shirt art, 
for HPEF - I did it for Nimbus, and I'm currently doing it for Witching 
Hour (http://www.hp2005.org) and Lumos (http://www.hp2006.org) and I 
would never risk allowing something that said QUIDDITCH or MUGGLE on 
it.  Depending on context, SEEKER might fly, and Lumos is just a latin 
word for light, which is why it's ok.

Mer, I have a feeling this didn't unconfuse anyone, but that's probably 
because the specifics of trademark law and copyright law, as well as the 
determination of the extent of a risk one is willing to take, can be a 
bit wiggy.



From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Jun  3 16:47:48 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:47:48 -0000
Subject: Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
In-Reply-To: <1086275684.13BFF1BC@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <c9nknk+bok5@eGroups.com>

> Silverthorne wrote:
> 
> "...Anyway, I suspect that either the Texas Site is running 
under 'Con' 
> rules, so to speak, or they've been sanctioned, somehow, by 
Rowling..."
> 

This site has been around awhile and it's pretty obvious it's an 
amateur fan site. If you go all the way through to the end of 
the "presentation" (which is pretty clever), all the proper 
disclaimers are in place. The only thing it claims as its own is the 
particular design on the shirt, which I doubt would strike anyone as 
ripping anything off. If Warner Bros. got shirty (no pun intended!)
with every fan site out there, they wouldn't have time to earn 
billions on movies and their own merchandising.

MsTattersall

 




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun  3 17:06:49 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:06:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
References: <c9nknk+bok5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002901c4498d$291b7c20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

MsTattersall wrote:

<If Warner Bros. got shirty (no pun
intended!)
with every fan site out there, they wouldn't
have time to earn
billions on movies and their own
merchandising.>

The problem is, Warner Brother's DOES get
shirty with the fansites that infringe on
their copyright or trade mark.  I've lived
through several WB purges and I can tell you
they're not pretty.  I've learned you either
work with them, or you fall in the dust when
their through with you.  It's one of the
reasons I closed my own fansite down because
there was too much fear of the WB (who owned
trademark and copyrights to most of the
fandoms I represented on my site).

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Thu Jun  3 17:39:49 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
Message-ID: <20040603173949.FPOT2198.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

Paula now:

Hummmm..., Wonder how one would go about getting JKR's consent.  Could this be done by email?  It's worth a try.  The worst thing that could happen is getting a real "runaround".


Silverthorne:

Probably there's paerwork involved...lol. But yeah, I would guess it would have to start as an endorsement by JKR (or whatever legal team she (might) have to handle these sorts of things. And then it would go frm there.

For example, I used to particaipte in Pern Online RPG's (in fact, that was my first online participation in anything). If you didn't want to get legally fried by MacCaffrey, you actually had to pettion a specific site she had set up, give her a run down of the idea for your club, and then wait for a 'yes' or 'no'...and if she says 'no', you'd better not make the club (folks do anyway, but I would NOT want to be them when AM and/or her legal team finds them). 

There's also an entire set of rules you have to follow--no canon characters, No use of Bendan Weyr OR Ruatha, no exceptions, no alterations of certain facts (like the sexual orientation of riders of each type of dragon), no 'sport' colors for your dragons (gold, bronze, brown blue and green only--you can't even have another white one), etc...she really keeps a tight control on it...and as far as I know, she quit allowing any new clubs at all about 3 years back--the one I joined in and helped to create was like one of the last she gave the okay to.

Anne/Silverthorne


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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 18:19:06 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:19:06 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak - Joined-Up Writing Confusion
Message-ID: <c9nq2q+9uji@eGroups.com>

I was reading a quote for a website about the UK TV show, and it used
the term 'joined-up writing'. In the context it was in, I understood
it to mean 'script' or cursive writing where all the characters of a
word are joined together, as opposed to the individual block/line
characters that elementary school kids are taught.

However, in OotP when Harry/Ron/Hermione meet Professor Lockhart at
St. Mungo's Hospital, he mentions twice that he can do 'joined-up
writing'.

--- OotP AM Ed HB ---
pg 509 - "Now, how many autographs would you like? I can do joined-up
writing now, you know!"

pg 515 - "Look, I didn't lean joined-up writing for nothing, you know!"
- - - end - - -

When I first read that I had no concept of the term 'joined-up
writing', so I took it to mean that Lockhart had learned a spell that
could join several pens together. In essense, he would write with one
pen while 3 others followed along, thereby, allowing him to sign four
autographs at once.

Did any body else share my confusion?

So, what is it? Is he simply saying that he can write in cursive? If
he can write cursive, why is that a bid deal? I would think everyone
over the age of 12 could and do write in cursive.


Does it mean that he has recovered to the point where he is now
capable of writing in script again? This is a valid interpretation,
but the way the quotes are phrased doesn't imply that to me.

...or is it my multi-pen magic spell theory?

Is this a play on word by JKR, taking muggle context and giving it
magical context? The common meaning being cursive, and the magical
meaning being multiple pens?

...or none of the above ...or perhaps, all of the above?

This is almost as confusing as when Filch drop-kicked (punted) the
students across Fred & George's swamp.

Thoughts? Ideas? Opinion? Help?

bboy_mn







From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  3 18:32:45 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:32:45 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak - Joined-Up Writing Confusion
In-Reply-To: <c9nq2q+9uji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9nqsd+102ri@eGroups.com>

Steve on "joined-up writing":
> So, what is it? Is he simply saying that he can write in cursive? If
> he can write cursive, why is that a bid deal? I would think everyone
> over the age of 12 could and do write in cursive.

Alice:
Joined-up writing is "cursive", as you call it, I suppose (now we meet
the problem of me not knowing what "cursive" would mean), so when all
the letters are joined together.

Which in Lockhart's case IS a big deal, for he can now write like a
7-year-old, as opposed to a pre-school five-year-old, who would
probably use block capitals, if able to write at all. Writing my name
in block capitals was the first thing I learnt to write.

That's how I interpreted it, anyway...
Love, Alice




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 18:34:53 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Texas Quidditch update + Possible Copyright Problems?
Message-ID: <20040603183453.6501.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>


3June2004 

"Saitaina" wrote:


MsTattersall wrote:

<If Warner Bros. got shirty (no pun
intended!)
with every fan site out there, they wouldn't
have time to earn
billions on movies and their own
merchandising.>

<The problem is, Warner Brother's DOES get
shirty with the fansites that infringe on
their copyright or trade mark....>

Paula Now:

This is all priceless and timeless.  This whole copyright business popped into my head when I happened to run across Groucho Marx's biography the other day while sitting in the dentist's office.  Would you believe that Warner Bros. got "shirty" with him about copyright violation when he was to star in..oops, forgot the name of the movie.  I want to say Casa Blanca, but could that be right?  Whichever, in typical Groucho form, he gave them the business, made the whole issue sound absolutely absurd as only Groucho could and went on to make the movie.  Sorry, it's a little difficult to concentrate on details while waiting in the dentist's office.  Anybody have any idea which movie that was?  Sorry he's not around today--Groucho would probably be quite an HP fan.

~Paula Gaon




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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Jun  3 18:57:08 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:57:08 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak - Joined-Up Writing Confusion
In-Reply-To: <c9nq2q+9uji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9nsa4+80c8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> Does it mean that he has recovered to the point where he is now
> capable of writing in script again? This is a valid interpretation,
> but the way the quotes are phrased doesn't imply that to me.
> 
> ...or is it my multi-pen magic spell theory?
> 
> Is this a play on word by JKR, taking muggle context and giving it
> magical context? The common meaning being cursive, and the magical
> meaning being multiple pens?
> 
> ...or none of the above ...or perhaps, all of the above?

Ali:

I'm not entirely sure what cursive script is, but I take it to 
mean "joined up" writing. 

I think that once again, this is simply Brit speak, and there is no 
play on words. Lockhart's pride just shows that he is improving.

BTW, not quite everyone over the age of whatever does joined-up 
writing: I don't! I was a tragic failure in the handwriting 
department at school, and was the last kid in the class allowed to 
write with a pen. I'm left-handed, write upside down, but despite 
all that, my writing is still amongst the neatest that I know. 

I don't personally rate the ability to join up writing very highly...

Ali




From stbinch at actionsd.com  Thu Jun  3 19:47:02 2004
From: stbinch at actionsd.com (stevebinch)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:47:02 -0000
Subject: Cracking the Door Ajar (JKRowling Official site)
In-Reply-To: <c9n7ft+hv5p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9nv7m+h72b@eGroups.com>

> Also, JKR referred to the opening of the door as the work of 
> fans 'hacking' her site--do you consider what you're working on 
> hacking or not?
> 
> Jen, 

There's nothing wrong with hacking as long as there is nothing illegal
or malicious about it.





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 20:48:08 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:48:08 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak - Joined-Up Writing Confusion
In-Reply-To: <c9nsa4+80c8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9o2q8+n1ht@eGroups.com>

Steve:
> > Does it mean that he has recovered to the point where he is now
> > capable of writing in script again? This is a valid 
interpretation,
> > but the way the quotes are phrased doesn't imply that to me.

Very definitely. He's a child, proud of his "new" ability

> 
> Ali:
> 
> I'm not entirely sure what cursive script is, but I take it to 
> mean "joined up" writing. 

Yes.

> 
> BTW, not quite everyone over the age of whatever does joined-up 
> writing: I don't! I was a tragic failure in the handwriting 
> department at school, and was the last kid in the class allowed to 
> write with a pen. I'm left-handed, write upside down, but despite 
> all that, my writing is still amongst the neatest that I know. 
> 
> I don't personally rate the ability to join up writing very 
highly...

Gah...
My two younger children have been taught what I think is the ugliest, 
fussiest form of cursive script. I was taught italic script. I have 
dreadful handwriting now, but actually won prizes for it as a child, 
somehow.

Anyway, to me italic has an elegance and timelessness about it, but 
my kids have been taught this loopy script (I mean that literally, 
not metaphorically) where *every* letter joins up to the next, so 
they have what to me are ugly and unnecessary joins from letters that 
I would never even consider trying to link to the preceding  (as 
in 'd') or succeeding (as in 's') letter.

But there's a rationale behind it, in that it's thought to make 
handwriting flow better and more quickly as the pen doesn't have to 
leave the paper during the writing of a word.

I think it's boloney myself. You have to take pen from paper 
*between* words and I barely lift the pen between the letters I make 
gaps between within words. But I suppose it sounded convincing.

I just wish that instead they'd consider other issues, like the fact 
that left handers (these two of my four children are left handed) 
have inbuilt problems in things like answering multiple choice 
questions because of the layout of the paper, not think my older left 
hander is abnormal for using a mouse left-handed (I know she *is*, 
but why shouldn't you?)  but provide her with a left-handed one, or 
at least one with a lead long enough to reach to the left side of the 
computer, etc..

~Eloise
who can confirm that Ali's handwriting is *very* neat.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 23:24:37 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:24:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Mecki!
Message-ID: <20040603232437.19850.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>

*staggers under the weight of a very large cake,
fumbling for the doorknow while the cake wobbles
precariously*

Oh, thank you so much for opening the door. I was
worried I'd drop that cake!

Today's birthday honouree is Mecki. Birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to:
meckelburg at foni.net

I hope you day has been filled with magic and brought
everything you hoped for.

Happy Birthday, Mecki!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Jun  3 23:53:57 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:53:57 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Speak - Joined-Up Writing Confusion
In-Reply-To: <c9nsa4+80c8@eGroups.com>
References: <c9nq2q+9uji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40C046B5.8877.7774AC@localhost>

On 3 Jun 2004 at 18:57, Ali wrote:

> I'm not entirely sure what cursive script is, but I take it to 
> mean "joined up" writing. 

Well, living in Australia, the land which gets hit by British 
English and American English in roughly equal amounts, I can 
confirm that these are pretty much the same thing - both terms are 
used more or less interchangably here (along with 'running 
writing').
 
> I think that once again, this is simply Brit speak, and there is no 
> play on words. Lockhart's pride just shows that he is improving.
> 
> BTW, not quite everyone over the age of whatever does joined-up 
> writing: I don't! I was a tragic failure in the handwriting 
> department at school, and was the last kid in the class allowed to 
> write with a pen. I'm left-handed, write upside down, but despite 
> all that, my writing is still amongst the neatest that I know. 
> 
> I don't personally rate the ability to join up writing very highly...

My handwriting dilemmas...

Aged 5, Grade Prep, start school in the state of Victoria - begin 
to learn Victorian Standard Cursive Script - though at that stage 
we only printed, we were expected to form the letters in the same 
way we would when we eventually joined them up.

Aged 5 and 2 months, Grade Kindergarten, - moved to the state of 
NSW, having just mastered the basics of Victorian Standard. Had to 
change and learn NSW standard printing (not sure if it had a name). 
Considerably different. Wound up in a *very* old fashioned primary 
school which had no flexibility when it came to handwriting.

Aged 7 and 2 months, Grade Two, - now a master of NSW script. Moved 
back to Victoria. Suddenly had to relearn Victorian Standard 
Cursive Script. Teacher who was totally obsessed with handwriting 
and completely unable to deal with the fact that I was already 
beyond Year 7 standard in all academic areas - and so insisted I 
spend all my time working on changing my handwriting back to the 
acceptable standard.

Aged 8, Grade Three - my Victorian Standard Cursive Script is OK - 
but this is the year when we are expected to start joining it 
together. Teaching us how to join all those printed letters 
together becomes the obsession of all our writing classes. I have 
fairly poor hand eye coordination, and very poor eyesight that 
cannot be fully corrected with glasses - handwriting would have 
been difficult anyway. But now I was learning (or relearning) my 
fourth style in four years. Fortunately this year I had a very 
patient teacher, and by the end of the year my handwriting was 
pretty reasonable.

Aged 9, Grade Four - Pen Licence time. We now had to learn how to 
write neatly with ball point pens rather than pencil. Not a major 
drama in my case - adapted to that pretty well.

Aged 10, Grade Five - somebody at the Catholic Education Office 
decides on a bold new plan to improve children's handwriting. Every 
primary aged child from Grade Three upwards will now learn to write 
using fountain pens - and will learn a heavily modified and 
simplified Copperplate script. Mad rush in Catholic schools all 
around the state to buy the indicated pen. Shortage - children told 
to just buy different fountain pens, much harder to use (sharp 
pointed, rather than round pointed). I spend the entire year 
ripping pages of work - fortunately same patient teacher as I had 
in Grade Three - so not disastrous.

Aged 11, Grade Six - parents revolt at cost of replacing school 
uniforms covered in ink spots by fountain pen wielding children. 
School bows to pressure and tells us we can write anyway we want 
using any method we want. I start to develop a consistent style of 
my own - a combination of cursive and modified copperplate using 
decent quality ballpoints.

Aged 12, Year Seven - the school from hell (not just because of the 
handwriting - a year in this school ruined my childhood and left me 
a near suicidal clinical depressive). Homeroom teacher *obsessed* 
with neatness in work - and with the use of Victorian Standard 
Cursive. Required to use specific pens on the school booklist, 
which were nothing like what I was used to using. By end of year, 
writing in standard cursive again, but very poorly.

Aged 13, Year Eight - my favourite school out of all those I 
attended. *Extremely* interested in neat handwriting (and prepared 
to rip up pages that weren't as neat as you could make them (they 
didn't expect perfection - but they expected whatever your best 
was) and make you redo them) but you could use any style you wanted 
to use. Back to my Grade Six style, slowly.

Aged 14 and onwards - assignments had to be typed or word 
processed, handwriting merely needed to be legible.

Aged 28 (last year). Begin primary teaching course. Have to relearn 
Victorian Standard Cursive, and also how to write on a blackboard 
and a whiteboard. Just about ready to scream!


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From paulined at optushome.com.au  Fri Jun  4 00:08:25 2004
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:08:25 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Texas Quidditch update + Possible
  Copyright Problems?
In-Reply-To: <20040603183453.6501.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040604094626.02b7faa0@mail>


>office.  Would you believe that Warner Bros. got "shirty" with him about 
>copyright violation when he was to star in..oops, forgot the name of the 
>movie.  I want to say Casa Blanca, but could that be right?  Whichever, in 
>typical Groucho form, he gave them the business, made the whole issue 
>sound absolutely absurd as only Groucho could and went on to make the movie.

~Paula Gaon

Warner Bros got shirty and threatened to sue the Marx Bros when they were 
bringing out a movie called "A Night in Casablanca".  Groucho countered 
with a letter saying that he was unaware that Warner Bros had rights over 
the city of Casablanca, and questioned their right to use the word 
"Brothers" in their name as professionally the Marx Brothers were brothers 
before Warner.  LOL
Warners asked for details of the plot, and the replies were so confusing to 
them, they gave up and decided not to sue.



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From swirskyr at rogers.com  Fri Jun  4 03:44:55 2004
From: swirskyr at rogers.com (Rachel)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:44:55 -0000
Subject: The eraser picture on JKR's site
Message-ID: <c9or7n+85ek@eGroups.com>

Hi there,

I am new to this list but not new to HP4GU in general.  I have been 
reading and posting on the books list for about a year I think.  I 
was looking at the eraser picture on JKR's site and a thought occured 
to me.  I have no idea if this has been discussed before but I do not 
seem to be able to find anything simmilar on this board.  

I was wonding if the picture might in some way be connected to the 
final outcome.  The equation, so to speak, that would be the ultimate 
downfall of Voldemort.  

The feather might be from Fawkes (a logical assumption) and might not 
the plant be Nevilles Mimbelous Mimbletonia (Sorry on the spelling, I 
do not have OOP on hand right now).  There is something that looks to 
me like a spider... maybe Aragog and his wife make another appearance 
in the final showdown between good and evil?

It just seems to me that JKR would not introduce all of these idea 
and not give them more use.  This just leaves us ot figure out which 
potion it is that is being refered to.

Anyhow, just a thought

Rachel (who hates spiders but would love to see Aragog becoem a good 
guy)




From PenapartElf at aol.com  Fri Jun  4 05:16:58 2004
From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:16:58 EDT
Subject: Chicago Tribune's Red Eye - cover story on us adult Potter-heads
Message-ID: <11.2b1f4d30.2df15fca@aol.com>

Hello!

As a follow up to that call for Chicago residents 
available for interview, here are a couple of links 
for your reading pleasure.

http://www.redeyechicago.com

(picture of cover:
Big Harry Deal: The little wiz is all grown-up -- 
and so are a lot of Potter-heads.)

http://www.redeyechicago.com/cover.htm

(teaser for the cover story, a mention of HPfGU 
and quote from our own Anandini!  I'm afraid that 
not being a resident of Chicago myself, as of this 
moment, I've no idea who else has been quoted 
by the reporter.)

Apologies in advance to those who may not see 
this before the website changes over from 
Thursday's edition to Friday's.  As soon as I figure 
out how to upload a copy of the materials (hopefully 
will find a copy of the article online sometime soon) 
to our files section here, I will do so.

Thanks to all of you who participated!

:) Penapart Elf



From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Jun  4 15:20:03 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:20:03 -0500
Subject: More HP sightings on TV
Message-ID: <000401c44a47$6cb85650$6401a8c0@Einstein>

Iggy here.
 
Just wanted to let anyone out there that gets Cartoon Network know that
they will be showing red-carpet interviews with PoA cast members during
different segments on "Cartoon Cartoon Fridays" airing tonight.  (They
show their Friday night cartoon lineup, and have different "fun
segments" between the shows.)
 
Stars shown in the commercials were Dan, Emma, Rupert, and Alan. but
that doesn't mean that they won't have others as well.  (And they're
also likely to show a clip or two from the movie, but don't quote me on
that.)
 
Iggy McSnurd
 
 


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From frellseeker at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  4 18:44:23 2004
From: frellseeker at yahoo.com (Gandore Dumbledalf)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:44:23 -0000
Subject: Cracking the Door Ajar (JKRowling Official site)
In-Reply-To: <c9n7ft+hv5p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9qfu7+73cc@eGroups.com>

Jen wrote:
>...if nothing is behind there yet and
> JKR has told us to be patient, why not wait until she makes it
> possible to open the door on-site?
>
> Also, JKR referred to the opening of the door as the work of
> fans 'hacking' her site--do you consider what you're working on
> hacking or not?


I would think that using all regular built-in options of shockwave
interactive menus is not hacking; it's just that the wizard behind
the curtain didn't close the door option-wise. It's supposed to only
show up when X happens. Since they fixed it, it's not 'hackable'.

Tom Riddle's diary; writing in it is not hacking, casting a spell
or unbinding it would be hacking. Writing in 'what is the index?'
and getting unintentional data from the index of the book would
be messing with the intent.. Which I guess is the point.

I guess since there's no 'hacking-lite' term, but a bit naughty to 
generalize us fans as having 'hacked' the site. Not a good perception..

More like 'okay, we figured out 4 puzzles, where's the rest?' 

More of an underestimation of people figuring out puzzles versus content scheduling.

"Gandore Dumbledalf" 




From sfpeterso at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  4 20:12:37 2004
From: sfpeterso at yahoo.com (Scott Peterson)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:12:37 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?***SPOILER***_POA_Movie:_Top_10_things=85?=
Message-ID: <c9ql3l+eft1@eGroups.com>

*** Please move if this is in the wrong spot ***
I was able to see "Azkaban" last night.  All I can say is "WOW".  It 
was spectacular!

Here is my list of "Top 10 things I liked about the movie":
?	The dementors ? These foul creatures actually surpassed my 
book imagination (an extremely rare feat).  Very scary, a lot of 
symbolism, and the soul-sucking was out of this world ? excellent 
special effects here!
?	Buckbeak ? Wow.  Buckbeak had me believing that this wasn't a 
robot.  The horse-like actions were amazing, and dragging his talons 
through the water?  Again, I can just say wow!
?	The score ? Scary, funny, and leading us through the 
adventure. I truly felt like I was right along side Harry during the 
whole movie
?	The detail ? Hagrid's hut, the 
?	Remus Lupin ? the acting and dialogue.  Remus stole the show 
(in my opinion)
?	The Whomping Willow ? I never pictured the Whomping Willow as 
a humorous angle, but the vignettes of the Whomping Willow were 
classic:  the birds, the leaves, and the snow.  This added some much 
needed humor to the movie.
?	The Weasley twins ? Yay!  They finally had the scene of the 
Fred and George saying every other word while talking to Harry about 
the Mauraders map.  Too bad we didn't see more of them (movie length 
is to blame).
?	The Mauraders map was great ? the special effects were truly 
amazing 
?	Hedwig ? Wow!  I had read an interview stating that Hedwig 
was a special owl, but his character was truly amazing on the screen.
?	 The opening dorm scene, where all of the roommates were 
taking turns with noise-making treats.  I especially liked the steam 
coming from Harry's ears, and hearing them laugh together.




Here is my list of "Top 10 things I didn't like about the movie":
?	Hurry, hurry, hurry ? Most scenes were just too short.  I 
know we needed a lot of scenes to make sense of the movie, but it 
seemed much too rushed.  Columbus did a better job of providing us 
some breathing room between scenes.  I would rather have another half 
hour of movie, and not feel like I just ran a 100 meter sprint when 
the movie ended.
?	15 minutes of credits ? were there outtakes after all those 
credits?  At 3:00 am, I couldn't wait more than 15 minutes to see if 
there were any outtakes.
?	Remus Lupin visual ? Remus looked more like a Remus Weasley ? 
a cousin of Molly and Arthur.  His acting was impeccable, but I have 
always pictures someone looking more like Peter O'Toole with 4 days 
worth of stubble.
?	Are the grounds really so vertical?  I guess my book 
imagination pictures Hogwarts as being flatter.  I always pictured 
the castle opening up to green lawns, leading to the lake straight 
ahead, Hagrids hut on the left, and the greenhouses on the right.  
This had a lot of vertical movement, and a lot more ground than was 
in my imagination.
?	Peter Pettigrew ? a fat rat?  Hmmm, this seemed to mock the 
book.  This was a casting mistake IMHO.  My mind always pictured a 
Wallace Shawn (Vizzini in "The Princess Bride") look-alike when I 
imagined Peter.
?	OK ? I will get flamed for this one, but Daniel Radcliffe 
didn't act very well.  Emma and Rupert were sensational, but I got 
nothing from Daniel in this movie.  Yes, Harry has a somewhat wooden 
personality, but I just didn't see the facial anxiety, or any of the 
things that endear us to Mr. Potter (except for the first few scenes 
at the Dudleys).
?	The dark forest was the same set in 1, 2, and 3.  Ok, I need 
to see more of the forest than some mangled tree roots and bare 
forest floor, surrounded by very tall trees.
?	Cornelius Fudge - I never noticed that Cornelius was 
changed.  I guess I got used to the old Cornelius Fudge ? the new one 
isn't so bumbling.
?	Dumbledore ? I REALLY missed Richard Harris.  Michael Gambon 
was too comedic, and didn't have the commanding presence of Richard 
Harris.  And what was with the beard jewelry?






From patnkatng at cox.net  Fri Jun  4 23:07:35 2004
From: patnkatng at cox.net (Katrina)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:07:35 -0000
Subject: Chicago Tribune's Red Eye - cover story on us adult Potter-heads
In-Reply-To: <11.2b1f4d30.2df15fca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c9qvbn+sfgp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, PenapartElf at a... wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> As a follow up to that call for Chicago residents 
> available for interview, here are a couple of links 
> for your reading pleasure.
> 
> http://www.redeyechicago.com
> 
> (picture of cover:
> Big Harry Deal: The little wiz is all grown-up -- 
> and so are a lot of Potter-heads.)
> 
> http://www.redeyechicago.com/cover.htm
> 
> (teaser for the cover story, a mention of HPfGU 
> and quote from our own Anandini!  I'm afraid that 
> not being a resident of Chicago myself, as of this 
> moment, I've no idea who else has been quoted 
> by the reporter.)
> 
> Apologies in advance to those who may not see 
> this before the website changes over from 
> Thursday's edition to Friday's.  As soon as I figure 
> out how to upload a copy of the materials (hopefully 
> will find a copy of the article online sometime soon) 
> to our files section here, I will do so.
> 
> Thanks to all of you who participated!
> 
> :) Penapart Elf

Here's a link to the article's new location.  You have to register 
to read it (it's free.)

http://tinyurl.com/2ljr6

Katrina




From editor at texas.net  Sat Jun  5 04:32:40 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:32:40 -0500
Subject: Typo in the Credits!
Message-ID: <002901c44ab6$47c03a60$c259aacf@texas.net>

This is what being a LOON gets you.

In the cast list--the "cast in order of appearance" list that has everyone,
they misspelled Parvati's last name. It said "Patel," not "Patil." Unless
their name was "Patel" in the UK, I think this is a fairly egregious typo on
their part.

~Amanda
(Yes, I'm an editor, why do you ask?)
----------------------------
Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft.




From jpbooks at idirect.com  Sat Jun  5 04:50:21 2004
From: jpbooks at idirect.com (ne4lock)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 04:50:21 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers
Message-ID: <c9rjed+6367@eGroups.com>

Went, saw and cried.

I loved Trelawny & Boggart Snape.

The rest left me annoyed.

Is plot dead. Why can't people talk to each other in films?

If you took the insulting slapstick working class caricatures the 
made up the Knight Bus Scene and added that to the time one could 
have saved by a little less of the Griffon in flight and a whole 
lote less of the tacky werewolf [Hammer Films did better in the 
50's] runabout; you'd have more time to cover the plot.

Sad.

And garbage sack Dumbledore.

And was that Small Person supposed to be Flitwick?

Me thinks plot development has become irrelevant to the modern film.






From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Sat Jun  5 06:20:50 2004
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:20:50 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] POA Spoilers
Message-ID: <d1.e6cfb43.2df2c042@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/2004 1:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jpbooks at idirect.com writes:

> Went, saw and cried.
> 
> I loved Trelawny &Boggart Snape.
> 
> The rest left me annoyed.
> 
> Is plot dead. Why can't people talk to each other in films?
> 
> If you took the insulting slapstick working class caricatures the 
> made up the Knight Bus Scene and added that to the time one could 
> have saved by a little less of the Griffon in flight and a whole 
> lote less of the tacky werewolf [Hammer Films did better in the 
> 50's] runabout; you'd have more time to cover the plot.
> 
> Sad.
> 
> And garbage sack Dumbledore.
> 
> And was that Small Person supposed to be Flitwick?
> 
> Me thinks plot development has become irrelevant to the modern film.
> 

Being a Snapeoholic, I enjoyed his scenes-but was ticked off by the lack of 
them. 

There was so many holes in this movie I honestly feel offended.  I mean, 
Harry never asks about how Lupin knows about the map.  We never learn about James 
and company becoming animagus and James becoming a stag (the form Harry's 
patronus takes).  No one says anything about how Sirius knew about Peter being at 
Hogwarts when he was locked up in Azkaban.   Sirius didn't send Harry a note 
with a statement saying he had permission to go to Hogsmeade either...guess 
he's still not allowed to go XP  Hermione didn't have her nervous 
breakdown....oy...the list goes on and on and on. 

What irked me was: 

That little sappy love scene between Sirius and Remus when Remus is 
transforming. 

And Lupin's need for jazzy cartoon battle music when they were fighting the 
boggart was a bit odd 0.0  

~Cassie~ 


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From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 06:39:51 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:39:51 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <d1.e6cfb43.2df2c042@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c9rprn+f7sm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, IAmLordCassandra at a... wrote:

> Harry never asks about how Lupin knows about the map.  We never 
learn about James 
> and company becoming animagus and James becoming a stag (the form 
Harry's 
> patronus takes). 

The odd thing is... those early-released collector's Wizard Cards (I 
think that's where I saw it) showed scenes that had apparently been 
planned/filmed and cut, including Lupin telling Harry about the stag.

There was something else, too, as I was explaining to my friends 
tonight.

We were impressed and I was shocked by what a difference the director 
gave to the entire mood of the picture-- weird seeing the same actors 
in a drastically different-feeling world.

Get this: Ron has a nightmare where spiders are commanding him to tap 
dance and he doesn't want to. ?!?!?! Is he really a seer??  That 
immediately recalls the upcoming GOF scene where the imperio'd spider 
tap dances!  When Ron wakes up from the nightmare, Harry tells Ron to 
tell off the spiders... still reminds me of the GOF scene where Harry 
resists the imperio.(Or will Ron get imperio'd?)  Was this just 
thrown in for comic relief and totally coincidental?  Hard to 
imagine...

(Oh-  and as I walked into the theatre, I recognized the tune "Save 
Ginny Weasley" and indeed, Harry and the Potters were playing live in 
the lobby...)

aj




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 06:04:34 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:04:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: POA Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <c9rjed+6367@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040605060434.98987.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com>



ne4lock <jpbooks at idirect.com> wrote:
> Went, saw and cried.
>
> I loved Trelawny & Boggart Snape.
> 
> The rest left me annoyed.
>
> Is plot dead. Why can't people talk to each other in films?
>
> If you took the insulting slapstick working class caricatures the 
> made up the Knight Bus Scene and added that to the time one could 
> have saved by a little less of the Griffon in flight and a whole 
> lot less of the tacky werewolf [Hammer Films did better in the 
> 50's] runabout; you'd have more time to cover the plot.
>
> Sad.
>
> And garbage sack Dumbledore.
>
> And was that Small Person supposed to be Flitwick?
>
> Me thinks plot development has become irrelevant to the modern film.



This film is by far the best regarding the movies.  It had what the first two films lacked: magic and life.  Alfonso is a powerful wizard compared to that no-talent, ass-clown muggle, Chris.  I'm hoping for a DVD release with added scenes ala the Merlin First Class director, Peter Jackson.  
 
-Kemper




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jun  5 09:12:30 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:12:30 -0000
Subject: Typo in the Credits!
In-Reply-To: <002901c44ab6$47c03a60$c259aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <c9s2pu+fmrq@eGroups.com>

Loon Amanda:

> This is what being a LOON gets you.
> 
> In the cast list--the "cast in order of appearance" list that has 
everyone,
> they misspelled Parvati's last name. It said "Patel," not "Patil." 
Unless
> their name was "Patel" in the UK, I think this is a fairly 
egregious typo on
> their part.

No, it should be Patil, though Patel is (I think) the more common 
spelling of the name over here.

~Eloise




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 16:27:09 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:27:09 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
In-Reply-To: <20040605060434.98987.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c9ss8t+katf@eGroups.com>

<snipped it all cause I'm going to rant slightly>
I saw the same film; ppl talked to each other but the emotions were
more evident than all the usual flash and glamour of the first two
films.  Flash and glamour are annoying; actual acting well now...some
ppl have seen it some haven't.

While there were gaps missing in the film some of which even annoyed
me, when thought about, did I really need to see two Quidditch
matches?  How relevant IS an explanation of the stag?  Does it lessen
the feel of watching Dementors scatter like rats? No I don't think so.
 And who gives a flying fignut if it didn't follow parts of the book
but took liberties. Independent directors are just that; independent.
 Most are creative madmen with the ability to take low budget films
(My Greek Wedding) and just put feel and charm into them that a lot of
slick Hollywood-style directors can't do any more.  

I found PoA to be a mixture of independent thrills, REAL emotions (not
follow-every-line-in-the-book type crap seen in the first films. I'm
not saying SS nor CoS weren't brilliant but they do lack a certain
energy to them that was all over PoA.  So many are complaining about
what's missing that nobody is talking about performances-geesh! For
instance, David Thewlis' Remus Lupin-Holy Zeus on Olympus! He floored
me. I felt that he truly played Lupin, my heart hurt when he resigned,
cheered when traded words with Snape-I enjoyed how instead of Lupin
being pleasant he had a bit of bite in him. And my heart went out to
both him went he saw the moon knowing what would be happening.

And ah..lets not forget ppl (I am so TIRED of hearing this that from
now on, I'm just going to ignore whiners or taunt them which ever
works) it's not suppose to follow the WHOLE book. 
Do we need to make this into a song?
Did SS follow the whole book? 
We KNOW CoS didn't follow the whole book and in fact like PoA changed
some scenes or deleted them all together.  
And frankly, no offense to those who haven't read Book 3, I don't need
a running commentary of Book 3-I've read it several times already.
What I was hoping to get from PoA is a visual story to the one already
in my head.  

If that's all you did, you wasted your money.

Ok, I'm done ranting...for now I hope not to repeat it.
I too, can not WAIT for the DVD because I know Alfonso has left some
real treats for us (and who ever bids highest to play the whole movie
(cut scenes and all). How delicious THAT would be! I only wish he
could do OotP because its going to need a director to really work the
character's emotions.  

Kai
*Who is quite immune to flames due working with inmates*




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 16:50:31 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:50:31 -0000
Subject: movie spell
Message-ID: <c9stkn+s4pj@eGroups.com>

I'll post it here, as no one answered my post on the movie group.  
My 5 yr old was getting antsy and I didn't hear the spell Hermione 
used to break open the door to free Sirius.  Anyone remember it?

Was it alohomora?  All I heard was,"I'm TIRED!"  fifty times ;).

Thanks in advance for the info!

Alora




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 16:53:07 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:53:07 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_***SPOILER***_POA_Movie:_Top_10_things=85?=
In-Reply-To: <c9ql3l+eft1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9stpj+23ts@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peterson"
<sfpeterso at y...> wrote:
> *** Please move if this is in the wrong spot ***
> I was able to see "Azkaban" last night.  All I can say is "WOW".  It 
> was spectacular!
> 
> Here is my list of "Top 10 things I liked about the movie":
> ?	The dementors ? These foul creatures actually surpassed my 
> book imagination (an extremely rare feat).  Very scary, a lot of 
> symbolism, and the soul-sucking was out of this world ? excellent 
> special effects here!
> ?	Buckbeak ? Wow.  Buckbeak had me believing that this wasn't a 
> robot.  The horse-like actions were amazing, and dragging his talons 
> through the water?  Again, I can just say wow!
> ?	The score ? Scary, funny, and leading us through the 
> adventure. I truly felt like I was right along side Harry during the 
> whole movie
> ?	The detail ? Hagrid's hut, the 
> ?	Remus Lupin ? the acting and dialogue.  Remus stole the show 
> (in my opinion)
> ?	The Whomping Willow ? I never pictured the Whomping Willow as 
> a humorous angle, but the vignettes of the Whomping Willow were 
> classic:  the birds, the leaves, and the snow.  This added some much 
> needed humor to the movie.
> ?	The Weasley twins ? Yay!  They finally had the scene of the 
> Fred and George saying every other word while talking to Harry about 
> the Mauraders map.  Too bad we didn't see more of them (movie length 
> is to blame).
> ?	The Mauraders map was great ? the special effects were truly 
> amazing 
> ?	Hedwig ? Wow!  I had read an interview stating that Hedwig 
> was a special owl, but his character was truly amazing on the screen.
> ?	 The opening dorm scene, where all of the roommates were 
> taking turns with noise-making treats.  I especially liked the steam 
> coming from Harry's ears, and hearing them laugh together.
-----------------------------
Totally agree!  I definately cheered with the Dorm scene, the Wesley's
and Lupin is my favorite as is Sirus.
> 
> 
> Here is my list of "Top 10 things I didn't like about the movie":
> ?	Hurry, hurry, hurry ? Most scenes were just too short.  I 
> know we needed a lot of scenes to make sense of the movie, but it 
> seemed much too rushed.  Columbus did a better job of providing us 
> some breathing room between scenes.  I would rather have another half 
> hour of movie, and not feel like I just ran a 100 meter sprint when 
> the movie ended.
> ?	15 minutes of credits ? were there outtakes after all those 
> credits?  At 3:00 am, I couldn't wait more than 15 minutes to see if 
> there were any outtakes.
> ?	Remus Lupin visual ? Remus looked more like a Remus Weasley ? 
> a cousin of Molly and Arthur.  His acting was impeccable, but I have 
> always pictures someone looking more like Peter O'Toole with 4 days 
> worth of stubble.
-------------------
There are some pictures online that show Lupin more as a lost, tired
soul. I didn't see the connect there as you did however. Interesting :)

> ?	Are the grounds really so vertical?  I guess my book 
> imagination pictures Hogwarts as being flatter.  I always pictured 
> the castle opening up to green lawns, leading to the lake straight 
> ahead, Hagrids hut on the left, and the greenhouses on the right.  
> This had a lot of vertical movement, and a lot more ground than was 
> in my imagination.
---------------------------
I felt that Alfonso did a better job show just how vast Hogwarts is. 
And the hills work because in medevial history, Castles were often put
on high or plateau ground so they had a 360 degree view of everything
around them.  Makes me glad I'm not going there WHEW! Can you imagine
having to walk up and down all those stairs?!?
I'm tired just thinking about it.


> ?	Peter Pettigrew ? a fat rat?  Hmmm, this seemed to mock the 
> book.  This was a casting mistake IMHO.  My mind always pictured a 
> Wallace Shawn (Vizzini in "The Princess Bride") look-alike when I 
> imagined Peter.
---------------------------
Inconceivable.  Well they did say in the book that he was quite 'rat
like in appearance which they did accomplish--ick!

> ?	OK ? I will get flamed for this one, but Daniel Radcliffe 
> didn't act very well.  Emma and Rupert were sensational, but I got 
> nothing from Daniel in this movie.  Yes, Harry has a somewhat wooden 
> personality, but I just didn't see the facial anxiety, or any of the 
> things that endear us to Mr. Potter (except for the first few scenes 
> at the Dudleys).
------------------------------
Completely disagree with you on this one but I promise no flames!  Mr.
Radcliffe is way better in PoA than in the other two movies were he
felt like someone had to push him into being emotional. Although I did
like his performance in SS better.
This time, the director made him be his emotions instead of just
playing them.  Anyone can play act but to be is something different.
Emma's performance and use is much improved. You can see her being a
powerful witch by GoF-yet still our fav bossy know-it-all.
Rupert on the other hand-ugh. I disliked how they've turned Ron into
the clown (though he(as Ron)is good with his comic timing) and a
chicken at the worst of time.  What's up with that??? Ron's importance
in Harry's life is far underused and frankly I'm tired of seeing it. I
hope that this Michael guy can do what no one else has done since SS,
Make Ron an essential next to Harry.  GoF is where Ron has to shine,
be himself, show his colors or I'll be very disappointed if they hand
lines off. 
Ron is my favorite character and I hate seeing him so disused *sigh*


> ?	The dark forest was the same set in 1, 2, and 3.  Ok, I need 
> to see more of the forest than some mangled tree roots and bare 
> forest floor, surrounded by very tall trees.
> ?	Cornelius Fudge - I never noticed that Cornelius was 
> changed.  I guess I got used to the old Cornelius Fudge ? the new
one isn't so bumbling.
------------------
But isn't he though otherwise he would not need to bother Dumbledore
with owls all the time.  I only pictured him being younger so I agree
with ya on parts.

> ?	Dumbledore ? I REALLY missed Richard Harris.  Michael Gambon 
> was too comedic, and didn't have the commanding presence of Richard 
> Harris.  And what was with the beard jewelry?
-----------------------------------
I like him!  He shows the other side of Dumbledore Harris couldn't or
didn't want to show.  Where Harris was the Grandfatherly yet powerful
wizard that stared Lucius in the eye w/o blinking; Gambon had the
humor w/ a touch of seriousiness and quiet power that is also Dumbledore.
Mind ya know, these are also my interpretations from reading the books.
Jewelry!? LOL. I missed that!

Kai




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 17:02:23 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:02:23 -0000
Subject: movie spell
In-Reply-To: <c9stkn+s4pj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9suav+b3en@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alora" <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> I'll post it here, as no one answered my post on the movie group.  
> My 5 yr old was getting antsy and I didn't hear the spell Hermione 
> used to break open the door to free Sirius.  Anyone remember it?
> 
> Was it alohomora?  All I heard was,"I'm TIRED!"  fifty times ;).
> 
> Thanks in advance for the info!
> 
> Alora
----------------
Excellent question  but I can't remember what it was.  I know for sure
it wasn't alohomora because it had a "b" sound it it. Whatever it was,
I enjoyed it in a sense ripping Black out of the Dementor's hands.

Kai




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 17:21:17 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:21:17 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <002001c4489c$726d99e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <c9sved+rvh9@eGroups.com>

I rated very high for Hufflepuff (70), Ravenclaw (59), Gryffindor
(50), Slytherin (43).

What got me is how much I'd fit into just about every house.  Unlike
some I'm not high numbers in any house and only 7 points divide me
between the Gryffindors and Slytherins. I already know how I am and
won't apologize or explain myself. Accept me as I am or don't, my
feelings won't be hurt.

As for People making cracks or other snide remarks about Hufflepuff,
you can go jump in a lake as far as I'm concerned. It may not be
glamourous but its a valid house like the others and deserves to be
noted as such.

Kai
Gryffindor and Hufflepuff n proud of it!  




From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Sat Jun  5 18:37:50 2004
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:37:50 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but t...
Message-ID: <1cf.22cbe372.2df36cfe@aol.com>

Kai: 
I saw the same film; ppl talked to each other but the emotions were
more evident than all the usual flash and glamour of the first two
films.  Flash and glamour are annoying; actual acting well now...some
ppl have seen it some haven't.

While there were gaps missing in the film some of which even annoyed
me, when thought about, did I really need to see two Quidditch
matches?  How relevant IS an explanation of the stag?  Does it lessen
the feel of watching Dementors scatter like rats? No I don't think so.
And who gives a flying fignut if it didn't follow parts of the book
but took liberties. Independent directors are just that; independent.
Most are creative madmen with the ability to take low budget films
(My Greek Wedding) and just put feel and charm into them that a lot of
slick Hollywood-style directors can't do any more.  

I found PoA to be a mixture of independent thrills, REAL emotions (not
follow-every-line-in-the-book type crap seen in the first films. I'm
not saying SS nor CoS weren't brilliant but they do lack a certain
energy to them that was all over PoA.  So many are complaining about
what's missing that nobody is talking about performances-geesh! For
instance, David Thewlis' Remus Lupin-Holy Zeus on Olympus! He floored
me. I felt that he truly played Lupin, my heart hurt when he resigned,
cheered when traded words with Snape-I enjoyed how instead of Lupin
being pleasant he had a bit of bite in him. And my heart went out to
both him went he saw the moon knowing what would be happening.

And ah..lets not forget ppl (I am so TIRED of hearing this that from
now on, I'm just going to ignore whiners or taunt them which ever
works) it's not suppose to follow the WHOLE book. 
Do we need to make this into a song?
Did SS follow the whole book? 
We KNOW CoS didn't follow the whole book and in fact like PoA changed
some scenes or deleted them all together.  
And frankly, no offense to those who haven't read Book 3, I don't need
a running commentary of Book 3-I've read it several times already.
What I was hoping to get from PoA is a visual story to the one already
in my head.  

If that's all you did, you wasted your money.

Ok, I'm done ranting...for now I hope not to repeat it.
I too, can not WAIT for the DVD because I know Alfonso has left some
real treats for us (and who ever bids highest to play the whole movie
(cut scenes and all). How delicious THAT would be! I only wish he
could do OotP because its going to need a director to really work the
character's emotions.  
Cassie: 

Yes, yes, yes.   Good filming. Good acting.  

No one expects the books to be followed word for word.  However, there were 
plot holes in the film itself.   I'm thinking about this from the perspective 
of a person who has never read the books or if the books had never been written 
at all.  There was some important stuff missing, not just little bits we 
would've like to see. 

~Cassie~ 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  5 18:50:27 2004
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:50:27 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
In-Reply-To: <c9ss8t+katf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9t4lj+gv1s@eGroups.com>

Kai wrote:
> While there were gaps missing in the film some of which even annoyed
> me, when thought about, did I really need to see two Quidditch
> matches?  How relevant IS an explanation of the stag?  Does it 
> lessen the feel of watching Dementors scatter like rats? No I don't
> think so.  And who gives a flying fignut if it didn't follow parts 
> of the book but took liberties. Independent directors are just that;
> independent.

There is always a desire for honest opinions on our site.  Even those
that disagree with the ones we have.  It is fine with me if you
don't...how did you say it..."give a flying fignut" if not all of the
book is in the film.  It is fine with me that you loved it.  I hope
people do.  It gets them to read the books.  I guess the problem I
have with what you just posted is that you don't give me the liberty
to not like it.  

See.  I adore Prisoner of Azkaban.  With beyond a passion.  It is my
favorite book, because of the twists and deepness of emotion and
history within it.  All those twist that I love, all that insight to
the series, all the build up, makes this movie the hardest for Warner
Bros to sell to me.  I almost can't take a movie that does not have
the intricacies of the book.  I will of course watch it, but I know,
already I will be disappointed.

Disappointed, because I know they let me down. Mainly because no sane
person, and by that I assume myself as insane about all things HP,
would sit through a six hour movie.  Which is what it will take to
produce a play by play movie of PoA.

In my mind, they *can't* improve PoA by cutting things.  It is
brilliant as it is.  Maybe, Warner Bros should have done Harry Potter
the television series, not the movie.  It is the only semi-purest way
of doing it.

But having babbled a bit I do agree with you.  Our expectations might
be high.  And we are doomed to be hurt.  But please allow us to mourn
a bit of the loss.  We post here for a sympathetic ear.  Kind of like
what Star Wars fans have to do when they see their new movie.  After
the 200th view they start to like it.  But until then, they bitch with
the rest of them about them.  I think because superfans really have
built their expectations so high, that you can never match them.  But
that is a bit psychology 101 not a professional opinion.


Kai wrote also:
> And ah..lets not forget ppl (I am so TIRED of hearing this that from
> now on, I'm just going to ignore whiners or taunt them which ever
> works) 

Please do not do that.  I am a mod on this site, and taunting people
for their opinions, no matter what they chose to think, is rude and
not accepted on this site.  We prefer ignoring them.  Also please
spell out people instead of ppl.  Netspeak is hard for some of our
international, English as a second language, listees to read.


> it's not suppose to follow the WHOLE book. 

No, but it should.  You are on a super fan crazed Harry Potter site. 
JKR is a god here.  You do not edit god's work.  :)


> Do we need to make this into a song?

Would be interesting.  We have a whole FILK site dedicated to HP in
song.  :)


> Did SS follow the whole book? 

No.  It butchered it.  And that was the shortest one. It was good for
imagery though.  And a sense of wonder.  I still miss the Christmas
scene.  It adds such warmth.  Also Hermione's challenge with the
potions.  It establishes a pattern we find very important to the
books, but since the movie left it out, we are left to wonder what is
important and what isn't.


> We KNOW CoS didn't follow the whole book and in fact like PoA 
> changed some scenes or deleted them all together.  

But why change them?  They already were so good.  That is why we mourn. 


> And frankly, no offense to those who haven't read Book 3, I don't 
> need a running commentary of Book 3-I've read it several times 
> already. What I was hoping to get from PoA is a visual story to the 
> one already in my head.  

And you are precisely right there.  That is what the movies offer.  It
is not a faithful rendering of the books.  It is an adaptation.  It is
something we as fans must accept, but we still mourn the loss.  We
adore HP so much.  It is like going to school only learning how to add
and subtract not multiply and divide.  You can get by with just adding
and subtracting, but it cheapens math.  Hmm, that was an odd
comparison.  :)  


> If that's all you did, you wasted your money.

I am not sure why we subject ourselves to the let down knowing going
in that it will probably disappoint.  We just have to see it.  See how
someone else interprets it.  It is what we do on this site.  Not
everyone here agrees with my view of HP
(::cough::MagicDishwasher::cough::), but we all read others theories
to see if they see something we didn't.  I think that is why we go to
the movie.  We have to see how it is presented to us.  And besides,
spending money to keep the HP juggernaut fed is not money wasted.  We
prefer to live in that world.

 
> Ok, I'm done ranting...for now I hope not to repeat it.

You can always rant on our site, but please allow others to hold their
own opinions and post them.  We discuss things, not declare things.


> I too, can not WAIT for the DVD because I know Alfonso has left some
> real treats for us (and who ever bids highest to play the whole 
> movie (cut scenes and all). How delicious THAT would be! I only wish 
> he could do OotP because its going to need a director to really work
> the character's emotions.  

I do not see how he can do that in 2 and half hours.  It cannot be
done with any grace or retain anything similar to the book.  

 
> Kai
> *Who is quite immune to flames due working with inmates*

We are not flaming inmates that have gone through the system.  We are
just passionate HP fans that only need space to recover when things
don't go the way we dream and space to lobby for a sympathetic ear.


Melody





From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 19:58:08 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:58:08 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
In-Reply-To: <c9t4lj+gv1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9t8kg+phms@eGroups.com>

Believe it or not I have a sympathetic ear, its just a bit red now
from all the same old same babblity-blah!  Believe me I had my gripes
in the beginning of the film! It took me nearly 45 mins to really get
into it. I'm going again tonight to "see" what others said they
didn't/did like as once isn't enough (when is it ever?)
I think, and maybe some will agree here for sure, that PoA will be
nothing else if hotly debated for the lack thereof specific parts and
brillance in other places.

Kai
*who is way calmer now*

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melody" <Malady579 at h...> wrote:

> See.  I adore Prisoner of Azkaban.  With beyond a passion.  It is my
> favorite book, because of the twists and deepness of emotion and
> history within it.  All those twist that I love, all that insight to
> the series, all the build up, makes this movie the hardest for Warner
> Bros to sell to me.  I almost can't take a movie that does not have
> the intricacies of the book.  I will of course watch it, but I know,
> already I will be disappointed.
> 
> Disappointed, because I know they let me down. Mainly because no sane
> person, and by that I assume myself as insane about all things HP,
> would sit through a six hour movie.  Which is what it will take to
> produce a play by play movie of PoA.
> 
> In my mind, they *can't* improve PoA by cutting things.  It is
> brilliant as it is.  Maybe, Warner Bros should have done Harry Potter
> the television series, not the movie.  It is the only semi-purest way
> of doing it.
> 
> But having babbled a bit I do agree with you.  Our expectations might
> be high.  And we are doomed to be hurt.  But please allow us to mourn
> a bit of the loss.  We post here for a sympathetic ear.  Kind of like
> what Star Wars fans have to do when they see their new movie.  After
> the 200th view they start to like it.  But until then, they bitch with
> the rest of them about them.  I think because superfans really have
> built their expectations so high, that you can never match them.  But
> that is a bit psychology 101 not a professional opinion.


 
> Please do not do that.  I am a mod on this site, and taunting people
> for their opinions, no matter what they chose to think, is rude and
> not accepted on this site.  We prefer ignoring them.  Also please
> spell out people instead of ppl.  Netspeak is hard for some of our
> international, English as a second language, listees to read.
------------------------
I was just being sarcastic; I'm an old net witch, taunting is left
only for monty python sites.

 
> > it's not suppose to follow the WHOLE book. 
> 
> No, but it should.  You are on a super fan crazed Harry Potter site. 
> JKR is a god here.  You do not edit god's work.  :)

_________________
LOL! Someone at work asked me if JKR was god in our Potterverse. I
told them not to stomp on my religion.


Melody says:
> Would be interesting.  We have a whole FILK site dedicated to HP in
> song.  :)
------------------------
Oh my gods. Now I am scared >:)

Melody say:
> No.  It butchered it.  And that was the shortest one. It was good for
> imagery though.  And a sense of wonder.  I still miss the Christmas
> scene.  It adds such warmth.  Also Hermione's challenge with the
> potions.  It establishes a pattern we find very important to the
> books, but since the movie left it out, we are left to wonder what is
> important and what isn't.
----------------------------------
Its my favorite film to when it comes to Ron's involvement (a horrid
sore spot) as a partner not a comic in the background.


> But why change them?  They already were so good.  That is why we mourn.
---------------------------
I guess I'm not a super super fan since the chances don't bother me so
long as I get the jist of it. You said it yourself, Melody its an
adaptation-adapting to the mass (but darn them for not asking us
anyway, no?

 
> And you are precisely right there.  That is what the movies offer.  It
> is not a faithful rendering of the books.  It is an adaptation.  It is
> something we as fans must accept, but we still mourn the loss.  We
> adore HP so much.  It is like going to school only learning how to add
> and subtract not multiply and divide.  You can get by with just adding
> and subtracting, but it cheapens math.  Hmm, that was an odd
> comparison.  :)  
> 
> 
> > If that's all you did, you wasted your money.
> 
> I am not sure why we subject ourselves to the let down knowing going
> in that it will probably disappoint.  We just have to see it.  See how
> someone else interprets it.  It is what we do on this site.  Not
> everyone here agrees with my view of HP
> (::cough::MagicDishwasher::cough::), but we all read others theories
> to see if they see something we didn't.  I think that is why we go to
> the movie.  We have to see how it is presented to us.  And besides,
> spending money to keep the HP juggernaut fed is not money wasted.  We
> prefer to live in that world.
---------------------
Gotta love Capitalism! Blah, if only I were already doing anthro at
the University level-I'd have a field day with HP :)


> I do not see how he can do that in 2 and half hours.  It cannot be
> done with any grace or retain anything similar to the book. 
--------------------
Oh I dunno. I'm always plesantly surprised when I pick up DVDs as I'm
a big time reader not movie watcher.  I'm ashamed to say I've not
picked through everything on the SS or CoS dvd so I'm enjoying the
treats :D when I re-watch them.

Believe it or not I have a sympathetic ear (this annoyance as only
been building since last night over several websites), its just a bit
red now from all the same old same babblity-blah!  Believe me I had my
gripes in the beginning of the film! It took me nearly 45 mins to
really get into it. I'm going again tonight to "see" what others said
they didn't/did like as once isn't enough (when is it ever?)
I think, and maybe some will agree here for sure, that PoA will be
nothing else if hotly debated for the lack thereof specific parts and
brillance in other places.

Kai
*who is way calmer now*




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 20:09:05 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:09:05 -0000
Subject: OT (i think)-Thewlis fan site
Message-ID: <c9t991+cjvp@eGroups.com>

Dunno is this is way OT or not but thought I'd pass this on in case
TLC gets too busy for some folks: Mr. Thewlis has a lovely website by
a lass in Finland (who won't be able to see PoA until August-rotten luck!)
If you are curious about him check it out:

www.david-thewlis.com

Nice site with lots of pictures including this wonderful one of Lupin
on the train.  
I have to have that poster!

Kai
*not obsessed w/ Lupin*




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 20:31:36 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
Message-ID: <20040605203136.42940.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com>

5June04
 
Kai wrote:
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"I rated very high for Hufflepuff (70), Ravenclaw (59), Gryffindor
(50), Slytherin (43)....As for People making cracks or other snide remarks about Hufflepuff,...It may not be glamourous but its a valid house like the others and deserves to be noted as such."

Paula now:

OK, Kai, please don't be defensive.  As for making snide remarks about Hufflepuffs, who's been making snide remarks about Hufflepuffs? And, Cedric was anything but unglamourous!  Whatever, IMHO, JKR gave us these 4 houses to show us that the world really needs all types, ie-checks and balances.  I've always seen Hogwarts as a microcasm of the world, and just think what a sad state we'd be in if all of us were too much alike.  Some areas of life would go completely untended to.  I can still remember learning this important life lesson at a young age when a not very bright girl in my high school once shocked all of us "Ravenclaws" when she revealed to us that she was very aware of the fact that we were always talking down to her.  In other words, she taught us that life is more than achievements and kudos.  That intelligence was also the ability to read other people and be aware of othes' feelings.  So, keep being a proud Hufflepuff.  This Ravenclaw is STILL struggling with social
 intelligence and STILL has a lot to learn from the Hufflepuffs of the world.

~Paula Gaon 




See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

    "...Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning."













		
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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Jun  5 22:24:26 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 08:24:26 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
In-Reply-To: <c9t8kg+phms@eGroups.com>
References: <c9t4lj+gv1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40C2D4BA.13183.ED515@localhost>

On 5 Jun 2004 at 19:58, Kaisenji wrote:

> Believe it or not I have a sympathetic ear, its just a bit red now
> from all the same old same babblity-blah!  Believe me I had my gripes
> in the beginning of the film! It took me nearly 45 mins to really get
> into it. I'm going again tonight to "see" what others said they
> didn't/did like as once isn't enough (when is it ever?)
> I think, and maybe some will agree here for sure, that PoA will be
> nothing else if hotly debated for the lack thereof specific parts and
> brillance in other places.

*Sigh* and it won't be out here until next Thursday. All these 
posts are making me more and more eager.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun  5 22:33:24 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:33:24 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
References: <c9t4lj+gv1s@eGroups.com> <40C2D4BA.13183.ED515@localhost>
Message-ID: <001001c44b4d$1d8b4d10$bcde6251@kathryn>

Shaun Hately
> *Sigh* and it won't be out here until next Thursday. All these
> posts are making me more and more eager.
>
>

Do the film studios hate you Australians? I must make a note not to mention
it to my beta before Thursday then because last time I mentioned a film to
her I got a *long* rant on how good films are always release in Australia
after absolutely everywhere else in the entire world.

*Why* doea Australia get everything after everyone else anyway?

K




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Jun  5 22:50:48 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 08:50:48 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
In-Reply-To: <001001c44b4d$1d8b4d10$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <40C2DAE8.32534.26F85C@localhost>

On 5 Jun 2004 at 23:33, Kathryn Cawte wrote:

> Shaun Hately
> > *Sigh* and it won't be out here until next Thursday. All these
> > posts are making me more and more eager.
> 
> Do the film studios hate you Australians? I must make a note not to mention
> it to my beta before Thursday then because last time I mentioned a film to
> her I got a *long* rant on how good films are always release in Australia
> after absolutely everywhere else in the entire world.
> 
> *Why* doea Australia get everything after everyone else anyway?

Generally it's not the film studios, but the major local cinema 
chains, who have another power to ensure that the smaller chains 
and independent cinemas fall into line as well.

The local chains decide when they can release films to best effect 
for the local market.

Historically speaking (ie, before the internet) delaying the 
release of a film in Australia even by months wasn't at all 
uncommon - Australians weren't constantly bombarded by information 
from overseas so it didn't matter that much, and most people 
probably weren't aware of how long we waited. Most delays weren't 
actually months but 4-6 weeks wasn't uncommon.

Today it's a bit better - mostly due to the internet - the cinemas 
know that Australian's are interested and do know what's going on, 
and the longer it takes, the more likely people are to get pirate 
copies from overseas. So at least most big blockbuster movies are 
released here pretty quickly.

In the case of PoA, the cinemas actually are releasing it just 
about as soon as they reasonably can - there was an embargo on 
release in Australia until official release in the US - which was 
Friday our time. The problem is that by long standing practice new 
movies are released here on Thursdays - there's very few exceptions 
to this rule, and that means a six day delay.

With the first two Harry Potter films, there was a longer delay - 
and again that was because of 'local conditions' governing the 
decisions the cinemas took. Those two films were released in 
November - which is very near the end of the Australian school 
year. The cinemas elected to delay until closer to the  start of 
the summer (Christmas) school holidays.

This time around, the delay is only a week, partly because next 
weekend is a long weekend in at least parts of Australia (The 
Queen's Birthday).

Honestly, most people can understand the six day delay (from US 
release) that Prisoner of Azkaban has - but when it's longer than 
that, a lot of people get *really* annoyed


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From jpbooks at idirect.com  Sun Jun  6 00:16:37 2004
From: jpbooks at idirect.com (ne4lock)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:16:37 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <c9rprn+f7sm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9tnp5+sf8a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> We were impressed and I was shocked by what a difference the 
director gave to the entire mood of the picture-- weird seeing the 
same actors 
> in a drastically different-feeling world.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

I can understand how one would be shocked by the changes, but 
impressed???

The whole movie felt like an American action flick with Mexican 
touches... talking heads???? 

Stupid working class stiffs - who not only acted dumb, but also 
looked dumb? Cliches? Why?

Why the change to the uniforms? The choir? And was that Flitwick? 
And where was Sir Cadogan? 

Why the really tacky werewolf transformation... the 8 year-old-
beside me thought it looked like a hairless rat... not a wolf.

And oh yeah, a dirty Leaky Cauldron which looked like a dive in my 
town from my childhood over 40 years ago.  No magic there.

None of the movies few plotlines or conversations lead into movie 4 
or advance the story towards Harry's ultimate fate.

Sad.

And the Titanic inspired ending... blegh... urk... 
> 





From mariaalena at purdue.edu  Sun Jun  6 00:19:46 2004
From: mariaalena at purdue.edu (Maria)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:19:46 -0000
Subject: movie spell
In-Reply-To: <c9stkn+s4pj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9tnv2+gvfv@eGroups.com>

Alora wrote:
> I'll post it here, as no one answered my post on the movie group.  
> My 5 yr old was getting antsy and I didn't hear the spell Hermione 
> used to break open the door to free Sirius.  Anyone remember it?

I'm not exactly sure, but it sounded a lot like "Bombardo" to me. <g>

Maria




From snow15145 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 00:50:49 2004
From: snow15145 at yahoo.com (snow15145)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:50:49 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_***SPOILER***_POA_Movie:_Top_10_things=85?=
In-Reply-To: <c9ql3l+eft1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9tppa+nvnm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peterson" 
<sfpeterso at y...> wrote:
> *** Please move if this is in the wrong spot ***
> I was able to see "Azkaban" last night.  All I can say is "WOW".  
It 
> was spectacular!
> 
> Here is my list of "Top 10 things I liked about the movie":
> ?	The dementors ? These foul creatures actually surpassed my 
> book imagination (an extremely rare feat).  Very scary, a lot of 
> symbolism, and the soul-sucking was out of this world ? excellent 
> special effects here!
> ?	Buckbeak ? Wow.  Buckbeak had me believing that this wasn't a 
> robot.  The horse-like actions were amazing, and dragging his 
talons 
> through the water?  Again, I can just say wow!
> ?	The score ? Scary, funny, and leading us through the 
> adventure. I truly felt like I was right along side Harry during 
the 
> whole movie
> ?	The detail ? Hagrid's hut, the 
> ?	Remus Lupin ? the acting and dialogue.  Remus stole the show 
> (in my opinion)
> ?	The Whomping Willow ? I never pictured the Whomping Willow as 
> a humorous angle, but the vignettes of the Whomping Willow were 
> classic:  the birds, the leaves, and the snow.  This added some 
much 
> needed humor to the movie.
> ?	The Weasley twins ? Yay!  They finally had the scene of the 
> Fred and George saying every other word while talking to Harry 
about 
> the Mauraders map.  Too bad we didn't see more of them (movie 
length 
> is to blame).
> ?	The Mauraders map was great ? the special effects were truly 
> amazing 
> ?	Hedwig ? Wow!  I had read an interview stating that Hedwig 
> was a special owl, but his character was truly amazing on the 
screen.
> ?	 The opening dorm scene, where all of the roommates were 
> taking turns with noise-making treats.  I especially liked the 
steam 
> coming from Harry's ears, and hearing them laugh together.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here is my list of "Top 10 things I didn't like about the movie":
> ?	Hurry, hurry, hurry ? Most scenes were just too short.  I 
> know we needed a lot of scenes to make sense of the movie, but it 
> seemed much too rushed.  Columbus did a better job of providing us 
> some breathing room between scenes.  I would rather have another 
half 
> hour of movie, and not feel like I just ran a 100 meter sprint when 
> the movie ended.
> ?	15 minutes of credits ? were there outtakes after all those 
> credits?  At 3:00 am, I couldn't wait more than 15 minutes to see 
if 
> there were any outtakes.
> ?	Remus Lupin visual ? Remus looked more like a Remus Weasley ? 
> a cousin of Molly and Arthur.  His acting was impeccable, but I 
have 
> always pictures someone looking more like Peter O'Toole with 4 days 
> worth of stubble.
> ?	Are the grounds really so vertical?  I guess my book 
> imagination pictures Hogwarts as being flatter.  I always pictured 
> the castle opening up to green lawns, leading to the lake straight 
> ahead, Hagrids hut on the left, and the greenhouses on the right.  
> This had a lot of vertical movement, and a lot more ground than was 
> in my imagination.
> ?	Peter Pettigrew ? a fat rat?  Hmmm, this seemed to mock the 
> book.  This was a casting mistake IMHO.  My mind always pictured a 
> Wallace Shawn (Vizzini in "The Princess Bride") look-alike when I 
> imagined Peter.
> ?	OK ? I will get flamed for this one, but Daniel Radcliffe 
> didn't act very well.  Emma and Rupert were sensational, but I got 
> nothing from Daniel in this movie.  Yes, Harry has a somewhat 
wooden 
> personality, but I just didn't see the facial anxiety, or any of 
the 
> things that endear us to Mr. Potter (except for the first few 
scenes 
> at the Dudleys).
> ?	The dark forest was the same set in 1, 2, and 3.  Ok, I need 
> to see more of the forest than some mangled tree roots and bare 
> forest floor, surrounded by very tall trees.
> ?	Cornelius Fudge - I never noticed that Cornelius was 
> changed.  I guess I got used to the old Cornelius Fudge ? the new 
one 
> isn't so bumbling.
> ?	Dumbledore ? I REALLY missed Richard Harris.  Michael Gambon 
> was too comedic, and didn't have the commanding presence of Richard 
> Harris.  And what was with the beard jewelry?

I wish that I could be as eloquent as you have been in your depiction 
but I just cant. I agree with what you have stated so very well. The 
following is just an extremely anxious and upset opinion, from what I 
feel is a very devoted HP fanatic, about expectations from the long 
awaited movie: 
 
Great Fan Fic Movie now where is the real POA Movie?

If you just want to be amused, go see this movie
If you just want to see magic for the sake of seeing magic, go see 
this movie
If you want to see only great special effects, go see this movie
If you like fast, very fast, action packed scenes over and over, go 
see this movie
But
If you want to see a movie "based" on "this" actual book and not what 
is assumed by the director's interpretation, don't go! It's too 
painful
If you expect to see what we've become accustomed to look and feel 
like Hogwart's, don't go! You'll cry
If you expect your favorite character(s) to act in a true three-
dimensional personification of what you read them to be like 
in "this" book, don't go! You'll be sick


Did Alfonso READ the books? If so, how many times? If he did read 
them, were they the same books that JKR wrote? If he had a feel for 
the storyline (the Hogwarts obsession type feeling) he kept it well 
hidden beneath the scores of special effects. Special effects are 
important and can certainly add enjoyment to the movie but they 
should not be a replacement for the much needed dialogue. It was like 
watching film clips spliced together, very choppy. The story was 
empty to anyone who may not have read the books. Did the director 
give everyone some type of pill to speed them up? It was like 
watching everyone in fast motion running through a tunnel vision 
camera. If I hadn't seen the first two very well directed movies 
(that allowed for your own interpretation of them), I would have had 
to question some of the very talented actors portrayals in this one. 
As it is, it was merely very bad directing. 


Snow-who wishes for a time-turner to go back and hire a director who 
feels more for the magic of the books! than for magic itself.







From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 02:00:12 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:00:12 -0000
Subject: movie spell
In-Reply-To: <c9tnv2+gvfv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9ttrc+df9f@eGroups.com>

Ah! that sounds just about right too.
I'll know for sure tonight but don't expect correct spelling! :)
Kai

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Maria" <mariaalena at p...> wrote:
> Alora wrote:
> > I'll post it here, as no one answered my post on the movie group.  
> > My 5 yr old was getting antsy and I didn't hear the spell Hermione 
> > used to break open the door to free Sirius.  Anyone remember it?
> 
> I'm not exactly sure, but it sounded a lot like "Bombardo" to me. <g>
> 
> Maria




From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 02:04:08 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:04:08 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <c9tnp5+sf8a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9tu2o+vjnm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ne4lock" <jpbooks at i...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > We were impressed and I was shocked by what a difference the 
> director gave to the entire mood of the picture-- weird seeing the 
> same actors 
> > in a drastically different-feeling world.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I can understand how one would be shocked by the changes, but 
> impressed???

I was thinking of the shots of the grounds in different seasons, dementors frosting the flowers, 
whomping willow and other fauna changing, dark clouds, long sweeping views of the landscape, etc. 
combined with the darker atmosphere...

aj




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 02:23:57 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:23:57 -0000
Subject: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <20040605203136.42940.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c9tv7t+c6fi@eGroups.com>

Well said, Paula. I could not agree more. 
And I too knew a girl just like that, Paula. The one everyone talked
about thinking she never heard.  
She was me. Though, I really enjoyed being the oddball out as in my
school, it only served to tick people off even more. I still enjoy
doing so--being the odd one out. Nowadays,I try to tick people off
only a few times a day. 
:)
Kai, User of the ()






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 03:01:59 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:01:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Angela!
Message-ID: <20040606030159.21820.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

*drags a large box of decorations into the centre of
the room and starts sorting streamers and blowing up
balloons*

Anyone want to help bring in some food for this party?
You do? Thank you very much, help is always
appreciated!

Today's birthday honouree is Angela Burgess. Birthday
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to:
MmeBurgess at msn.com

I hope your day has been magical and filled with HP
goodness.

Happy Birthday, Angela!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun  6 04:06:39 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 04:06:39 -0000
Subject: Typo in the Credits!
In-Reply-To: <002901c44ab6$47c03a60$c259aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <c9u58f+5omq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...>
wrote:
> This is what being a LOON gets you.
> 
> In the cast list--the "cast in order of appearance" list that has 
> everyone, they misspelled Parvati's last name. It said "Patel," not 
> "Patil." Unless their name was "Patel" in the UK, I think this is a 
> fairly egregious typo on their part.

This afternoon, before Y!Groups went down for a couple of hours,
Y!Groups's Search worked much better than on several previous days,
letting me find the following posts about Patel and Patil:

Anita Sathe's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforG
rownups/message/58335
My http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/58614 
Megalynn44's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/52872
Anne Urban's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGr
ownups/message/52960 
My http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/29661
Madhuri567's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/29663
which I am going to string altogether regardless of who said what.

<< India is a land of so many cultural and ethnic diversities, it is
actually overwhelming. A terrific amount of different communities
reside in this country, one of which is the Gujrathi community, from
the state of Gujrath. A popular last name found in this community is
'Patel'. These people are primarily businessmen by profession and very
good ones too. They also form a large part of the country's immigrants
and it's become quite common to find them in the US and UK. I won't be
surprised if any of you know more than one Patel. So if JKR had chosen
the twins to be 'Patel' s and not Patils I wouldn't be surprised.

Now, Patil is a surname found commonly in the 'Marathi' community,
from the state of Maharashtra, that's where I come from, many of my
friends are Patils! It's interesting to note that Patils have belonged
to one of old families esp. in rural India. They are administrative
heads of villages and quite powerful and influential people, though
only the rural Patils. So they'd be the Weasley/Malfoy equivalent in
Muggle-India. >>

I hesitate to disagree with someone who lives in the relevant place,
but I was under the impression that here in USA, Patel and Patil are
interchangeable spellings of the same name. Last year I heard a news
story about 90% of motels and small hotels in USA are owned by
Gujrathi immigrants named Patil and Patel.

<< Because of this, I wonder if the Patil sisters too come from an old
wizarding family and may play a larger role in the future. I mean, of
all the Indian last names - wonder why she picked Patil? >>

I kind of assumed that JKR just picked a South Asian surname that
she'd encountered from someone she'd met, and then picked Indian
first names that alliterated with it. Some listie was arguing that
many people named Patil or Patel are Muslims, and I said Muslims
wouldn't name their daughter after a Hindu goddess, and the other
person said JKR might not even know that those names are Hindu, only
that they're names of people she's met from India.

-- For all we know, the twins could have a Hindu mother and a Muslim
father. But Patil and Patel are common Hindu names as well,
especially in the north-eastern and north-western parts of India
where there is a higher concentration of Muslims. --

++ Patil is a very common east Indian surname -- perhaps not as common
as Gandhi, but very common nonetheless. (I've heard that Patil (or
Patel) and Gandhi are essentially the "Johnson" and "Smith" of east
Indian surnames.) ++

== So, today I am in my Asian Art History class, when I get a handout 
about Hinduism. (snip) Parvati is a deity herself, and the wife or
consort of the deity Shiva. Since it's an art history class the
teacher talked more about the art than the details of these Hindu
figures. ==

I suspect that the [Patil girls'] names don't come from any knowledge
of Hinduism that JKR might have, because Parvati is a Shaivaya name
and I believe that Padma is a Vishnava name (I hope I got those words
right: worshippers of Shiva and worshippers of Vishnu). 

I think of Padma as a Vishnaiva name, because as Vishnu sleeps on the
coils of the cosmic serpent (is that his vehicle?) with his feet
resting in the lap of his wife Lakshmi goddesss of wealth and beauty
(he is the Preserver, she is goddess of some things that people are
eager to preserve), there is a Lotus growing out of his navel. That
Lotus, sometimes personified as a goddess Padma, is the entire
physical world, the illusory material world that we experience,
also called Maya ('illusion', a related word to 'magic') and Lila
('play'). So sometimes it is said that Padma, Maya, and Lila are
junior wives of Vishnu and sometimes that they are additional aspects
of Lakshmi.

-- The Vaishnavite and Shaivaite distinctions aren't really that big a
deal nowadays. Many Vaishnavite parents give Shaivate names to their
children, and vice-versa. --




From sfpeterso at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 04:45:11 2004
From: sfpeterso at yahoo.com (Scott Peterson)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 04:45:11 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_***SPOILER***_POA_Movie:_Top_10_things=85?=
In-Reply-To: <c9stpj+23ts@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9u7gn+ej9i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...> 
wrote:
<snip>
> >  Emma and Rupert were sensational, but I got 
> > nothing from Daniel in this movie.  Yes, Harry has a somewhat 
wooden 
> > personality, but I just didn't see the facial anxiety, or any of 
the 
> > things that endear us to Mr. Potter (except for the first few 
scenes 
> > at the Dudleys).
> ------------------------------
> Completely disagree with you on this one but I promise no flames!  
<snip>
> Rupert on the other hand-ugh. I disliked how they've turned Ron 
> into the clown (though he(as Ron)is good with his comic timing) 
and a
> chicken at the worst of time.  What's up with that??? Ron's 
importance
> in Harry's life is far underused and frankly I'm tired of seeing 
it. I
> hope that this Michael guy can do what no one else has done since 
SS,
> Make Ron an essential next to Harry.  GoF is where Ron has to 
shine,
> be himself, show his colors or I'll be very disappointed if they 
hand
> lines off. 
> Ron is my favorite character and I hate seeing him so disused 
*sigh*

Ron is one of my favorite characters as well, but I think we see him 
under different lights.  

JKR seems to want balance in the Potter world.  Good vs. Evil seem 
to be mostly balanced, old vs. young, dimwitted vs. smart, fear vs. 
love.

I have always seen Ron as the balance (or complement, if you will) 
of Hermione.  Here are a few of the balances that I see:
Muggle-born/Pure Blood
Diminutive stature/Tall
Brown, bushy hair/bright red hair
Pretty/Crook Nosed
Studious/Apathetic towards education
Wealthy (2 dentists?)/Poor
Only child/Many siblings

The interesting thing in all of this?  I have to wonder what would 
happen if Ron and Hermione had the chance to switch places...Ron 
going to live with rich muggles, and Hermione joining the Weasleys.  
With Hermione's early life loneliness, and Ron's overbearing 
brothers, my guess is that both of them think the other has it good.

OK, long build up - let me get to the point.  IF (big "if" here) Ron 
and Hermione are opposites, then Ron plays the emotional, colorful 
part of the equation.  If that is true, then I suspect that the 
course we are on here will not only continue, but you may see Ron's 
side of the friendship increase in intensity - he will get MORE 
colorful/emotional/blundering.

<snip> 
> > ?	Dumbledore ? I REALLY missed Richard Harris.  Michael Gambon 
> > was too comedic, and didn't have the commanding presence of 
Richard 
> > Harris.  And what was with the beard jewelry?
> -----------------------------------
> I like him!  He shows the other side of Dumbledore Harris couldn't 
or
> didn't want to show.  Where Harris was the Grandfatherly yet 
powerful
> wizard that stared Lucius in the eye w/o blinking; Gambon had the
> humor w/ a touch of seriousiness and quiet power that is also 
Dumbledore.

I hear what you are saying here - Harris struggled to connect with 
the kids, and show a side of Dumbledore that was in the books.  
Maybe it is personal experience with principals (as they were called 
when I went to school), but I needed him to be more powerful than 
what I saw from Gambon.  One picture that sticks in my mind is 
Gambon banging on Hagrid's door with a walking stick when 
accompanied by the executioner.  Why does that bother me?  I guess I 
just don't see him acting that way. Another is showing off with 
turning the candles on and off.  Dunno why, but these things didn't 
quite click with what I imagined.

> Mind ya know, these are also my interpretations from reading the 
books.
> Jewelry!? LOL. I missed that!
> 
> Kai

Thanks for posting - this is a lot of fun trying to reconcile all 
these interesting feelings!

Scott






From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  6 09:31:02 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:31:02 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
In-Reply-To: <c9t4lj+gv1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9uo8m+4dn1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melody" <Malady579 at h...>
wrote:

snip  I adore Prisoner of Azkaban.  With beyond a passion.  It is my
> favorite book, because of the twists and deepness of emotion and
> history within it.  All those twist that I love, all that insight to
> the series, all the build up, makes this movie the hardest for
Warner Bros to sell to me.  I almost can't take a movie that does not
have the intricacies of the book.  I will of course watch it, but I
know, already I will be disappointed. 

I am with you here.  POA is my absolute favorite and I never get tired
of it.  I can't tell from your post if you have already seen the movie
or not?  But I know what you mean about disappointment.  Believe me, I
was all ready to be majorly upset; first it was no Oliver Wood, then
the casting of Gary Oldham as Sirius, to the clothing changes, the
loss of Richard Harris (an unintended change obviously).  I just
didn't think I could enjoy it at all.

I have to say I was more than pleasantly surprised, the feel of this
film is much better suited to the story, dark and mysterious.  I have
to say the clips I saw of it beforehand had me feeling optimistic
about it, so perhaps that colored my perceptions.  But I really loved
the way it portrayed magic in the wizarding world, it was natural and
matter of fact.  The headless hunt, the crazy pictures antics and so
on...it mesmerized me.

> 
> In my mind, they *can't* improve PoA by cutting things.  It is
> brilliant as it is.  Maybe, Warner Bros should have done Harry
Potter the television series, not the movie.  It is the only
semi-purest way of doing it.
> 

I can't disagree with you more on this point.  Dull and dreary tv,
with endless commercials?  Even on HBO, it wouldn't be like being
there since I don't have HDTV.  I have read some other posts on other 
lists that say this truly was a film rather than a motion picture as
the other two were...


> But having babbled a bit I do agree with you.  Our expectations
might be high.  And we are doomed to be hurt.  But please allow us to
mourn a bit of the loss.  We post here for a sympathetic ear. 

I can understand your sadness but I do think we need to get a grip, it
can't be like the book in every aspect.  We will always have the book
to enjoy, this film brings people into the magical world JKR created
that would never read a "children's" book or any book for that matter.
I see this film as a companion piece, not a replacement for the book.
 I have things imagined in my mind that probably won't correspond with
any movie version so I know that I can always go back and enjoy them
on my own.  Besides, if JKR says she views this as Cuaron's vision and
it is his baby, no problem.  She was delighted with it and felt that
he read some foreshadowings she hadn't told him about.  I was willing
to give it a chance and I am glad that I did. 

I plan on viewing it several more times because it was so intricate in
the action at times, I know I didn't see everything.  Not to mention
that we had to leave the theater for about 10 minutes because some
dolt set off the fire alarm not to mention the jerks who left their
cell phones on!!!

Here is my own little rant in closing:

People are complaining about sitting through the credits because they
heard something like Lockhart's funny scene was supposed to be there
and they didn't "see" anything.  I don't understand people getting up
and running out of the theater so fast anyway, I always sit and watch
the credits, maybe it is because I am old fashioned or because I like
trivia (who wrote the music, performed it etc.) I think it is rude to
jump up and stand and talk about the movie, blocking my view while
they do it.  And the movie staff, running around like loons, sweeping
and cleaning up-that's one for another rant on its own!

Trust me, it is worth sitting through, there is a lovely use of the
map graphics with funny bits in it that is quite clever.  I think it
is worth it gang. Go and try to suspend your doubts and see if you
don't find it entertaining, even if it doesn't duplicate the book to
the nth degree.  I truly believe it is the best of three.


Karen





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 10:18:18 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:18:18 EDT
Subject: Movies are not Books (very slight PoA movie spoilers towards end)
Message-ID: <15d.36ea99e9.2df4496a@aol.com>

I'm one of those people who has a problem with film adaptations of books.  
Books reign sovereign, they are the *real* version of the story and I hate  
alterations.
 
For this reason, I'm one of the apparent minority of fans who *don't* get  
majorly excited when a new HP movie comes out. I'm not expecting a faithful  
rendition of the book. There were many things in CoS especially (the  
reassignation of dialogue in particular) that irritated me hugely. And missing  out 
Snape's opening scene, grrrr, (that's my biggest gripe with the movies:  never 
enough Snape, or enough Rickman for that matter, though I try to keep them  as two 
separate issues. <g>)
 
However the omission of that Snape scene from CoS was my wake up call to  
think seriously about the obvious. What makes a good book doesn't necessarily  
make a good film. A film which is slavishly true to the book on which it is  
based, unless the original is very cinematic to begin with, will likely be poor  
cinema.
 
So why was that wonderful scene of Snape accosting Harry and Ron when they  
arrived at Hogwarts at the begining of CoS changed like that? Well, it had to  
be, otherwise we would have had no background (in that movie) to the  
relationship between Harry and Filch prior to the attack on Mrs Norris. It was  
essential for that later scene to make the fullest sense that their relationship  
was established within the movie itself. Movies don't generally have the  luxury 
of a narrator (these ones certainly don't) and we might remind  ourselves 
that JKR in her earlier books had what to me was a very annoying way  of telling 
us stuff we already knew from earlier volumes in order to put the  action of 
that story into context. This is the cinematic equivalent.
 
Another fact that I bore in mind as I went to see PoA was that JKR herself  
has been very positive about it. In particular she spoke in advance about her  
admiration for Cuaron's adaptation of _A Little Princess_.  Well, guess  what, 
that's a movie I have problems with because I am just hopping about the  
location being changed from London to the US! But she pointed out the fact that  a 
movie adaptation can be faithful to the spirit of a book even if details are  
changed. She also said in interview (London premiere?) that she had no 
problems  with her books being shortened to make good cinema. If JKR has no problem, 
 then I'm not sure that it should be a big issue for us.
 
Now, I don't want to go through the PoA and give lots of concrete  examples, 
partly because I don't have the time right now, but mostly because I  don't 
want to contaminate this post with spoilers for people like Shaun, but I  
actually thought that this movie was very well done. Yes, it was shortened a  lot. 
No, there wasn't enough Snape (or Rickman <g>). But as I watched, I  was doing 
so consciously thinking about how the storyline had been adapted in  order to 
make a film of reasonable length which got in all the major elements of  the 
action and relationships between characters and which made cinematic sense. 
 
>From time to time I smiled from the fandom perspective, as for instance,  
when a convenient, non-canon solution to a problem that has caused endless  
discussion on this and I'm sure other groups was found. There were things that  are 
very important in the book (at least important to us) which were glossed  
over, or not explained in the movie - I don't think it's giving too much away to  
say that most of the Shrieking Shack dialogue had to be cut - but I thought  
myself that that scene was very well done; I really don't think that it could  
have been filmed exactly as it is in the book. I thought that other scenes 
which  were altered were mostly done sympathetically and for good reason.
 
I only had two gripes, really. First is that I didn't like the way they did  
the werewolf. Secondly I didn't like the one major change to the Boggart 
class,  which didn't make sense. But another change in that scene I thought 
improved on  the book (again it made it visually better) and Boggart Snape was superb.
 
I was curious about the already much discussed new dialogue given to Lupin  
and wonder if it does mean what others have speculated. It could certainly give 
 Snape even more reason to dislike Lupin, however, I thought it a little 
strange  in the light of the relationship he had with James and Sirius at the time.
 
In all, I suppose I regard it as "Scenes from" PoA. There's a lot more to  
the story as we all know, but this fleshes some of the action. It's successful  
cinema. There is of course a lot more to the story than even we know, all  
stashed away in JKR's notebooks. It gets us back to all those old main list  
discussions about canon and authorial intent and whether it matters.
 
Just one thing, though. Someone really out to tell Mr. Kloves that it is  
*not* normal for a modern British teenager to address his friends' father as  
"Sir". I'm afraid we're not that formal over here. Harry'll be talking about his  
"Mom" next*.
 
BTW, there was a reference in this Week's _Big Issue_ to Warner having  
confirmed that there will be an entirly new cast for OoP. Is that right? Please  
tell me it's not.
 
~Eloise
*Yes, I do know that Mum was translated Mom in some of the US  editions.
 


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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 13:52:53 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:52:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Movies are not Books (very slight PoA movie spoilers towards end)
Message-ID: <20040606135253.13986.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com>


6June04

 eloiseherisson at a...  wrote:



"... What makes a good book doesn't necessarily make a good film. A film which is slavishly true to the book on which it is based, unless the original is very cinematic to begin with, will likely be poor cinema...."

Paula now:

Humm, don't know how many on the list are old enough to remember Marshall McCluen (sp?) of the early seventies: "The medium is the message."  Who would have dreamed during the days of Flower Power that these words would ring so true?!  I for one am still amazed at all the activity and discussion that just us on the list can generate thanks to the PC.  Boggles the mind--now that's MAGIC!

Musings of an aging Babyboomer,

~Paula Gaon





See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 14:05:08 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 14:05:08 -0000
Subject: Movies are not Books (very slight PoA movie spoilers towards end)
In-Reply-To: <15d.36ea99e9.2df4496a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c9v8ak+4t3a@eGroups.com>

Hey, a post I can respond to without having seen the movie yet!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> I'm one of those people who has a problem with film adaptations of
books.  
> Books reign sovereign, they are the *real* version of the story and
I hate  
> alterations.

Annemehr:
I have similar thoughts.  The books *are* the real deal. Movies have
to be different, because they're movies, though some of the changes
seem just wrong to me.  That said, I do enjoy watching the HP movies.
 I think it's because, for the scenes that work, I very much enjoy
seeing them literally fleshed out. Some of the magic of the books is
really there.

<huge snip of things I agree with, or 'cos I haven't seen PoA yet>


> BTW, there was a reference in this Week's _Big Issue_ to Warner having  
> confirmed that there will be an entirly new cast for OoP. Is that
right? Please  
> tell me it's not.
>  
> ~Eloise

Annemehr:
Can't tell you one way or the other, I'm afraid (note to self: check
Leaky).

I can't say I ever had much confidence that they would successfully
film the whole series.  From the beginning, they haven't taken the
time to flesh out some aspects that I'm sure will be important later
on -- the nature of Harry's scar most importantly.

In PS/SS, Harry nearly died in his struggle with Quirrell. Why? All he
was doing was hanging on to Quirrell's arm; yet Dumbledore said "the
effort involved nearly killed you."  I think it was the pain in his
scar, and perhaps some additional effect of it weakening him, that did
it.  But there was no effort made (or perhaps no good way) to show
that in the first movie.  For all a non-reader knows, all Harry gets
is a twinge. This is one thing I imagine may cause problems later on.

There is also the fact that it would indeed be a major feat to hold
the cast of main characters together for seven movies.  The teens,
especially, should do what seems best for themselves, and I for one
have no idea whether that would be staying on or leaving.

Finally, Jo makes no apology for the fact that her story is going to
go wherever it goes, even if only six readers are left at the end (me
and five others, then). I wonder if WB is going to have a problem
keeping to even the spirit of the books?  Are some viewers and
reviewers going to balk at that quill of Umbridge's?

Annemehr





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun  6 15:02:35 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Jun 2004 15:02:35 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1086534155.28.46431.m12@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 6, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 17:33:17 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:33:17 -0000
Subject: Movies are not Books (very slight PoA movie spoilers towards end)
In-Reply-To: <15d.36ea99e9.2df4496a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c9vkgu+765u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
>  <snip the rest 'cept this>
> Just one thing, though. Someone really out to tell Mr. Kloves that
it is  
> *not* normal for a modern British teenager to address his friends'
father as  
> "Sir". 
----------------------------------------------------
That may be the case but this is the wizarding world we speak of so
perhaps there is a bit of formality there.  After all, Harry is far
from the normal british teen, ne?

My biggest concern about books to movie adaptations is that the
individuals choosen to play the characters do it RIGHT not so much
look like this or that or speak every line. I forgave the fact long
ago that Mr. Radcliffe's eyes aren't green but he does a good job at
being Harry.  Ms. Watson's hair isn't quite as bushy as it is in the
book, nor are her teeth big but she WORKS as Hermonie. And I was on
the "that's not how Sirus looks!" bandwagon for a while then just
stopped caring because I've seen him in action and know he can do
crazy criminal/tortured soul like Mr. Christopher Lee can do creepy
villian.
I was not disappointed and can't wait to see him in GoF and OotP!

Kai




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 17:51:28 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:51:28 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_***SPOILER***_POA_Movie:_Top_10_things=85?=
In-Reply-To: <c9u7gn+ej9i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9vlj0+86vp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peterson"
<sfpeterso at y...> wrote a good bit o cyberparchment: 
> Ron is one of my favorite characters as well, but I think we see him 
> under different lights.  
> 
> JKR seems to want balance in the Potter world.  Good vs. Evil seem 
> to be mostly balanced, old vs. young, dimwitted vs. smart, fear vs. 
> love.
> 
> I have always seen Ron as the balance (or complement, if you will) 
> of Hermione.  Here are a few of the balances that I see:
> Muggle-born/Pure Blood
> Diminutive stature/Tall
> Brown, bushy hair/bright red hair
> Pretty/Crook Nosed
> Studious/Apathetic towards education
> Wealthy (2 dentists?)/Poor
> Only child/Many siblings
> 
> The interesting thing in all of this?  I have to wonder what would 
> happen if Ron and Hermione had the chance to switch places...Ron 
> going to live with rich muggles, and Hermione joining the Weasleys.  
> With Hermione's early life loneliness, and Ron's overbearing 
> brothers, my guess is that both of them think the other has it good.
> 
> OK, long build up - let me get to the point.  IF (big "if" here) Ron 
> and Hermione are opposites, then Ron plays the emotional, colorful 
> part of the equation.  If that is true, then I suspect that the 
> course we are on here will not only continue, but you may see Ron's 
> side of the friendship increase in intensity - he will get MORE 
> colorful/emotional/blundering.
-------------------------------
True. I had not really sat down and compared those parelles.  Hm. I'll
have to get back to ya on that one.


> I hear what you are saying here - Harris struggled to connect with 
> the kids, and show a side of Dumbledore that was in the books.  
> Maybe it is personal experience with principals (as they were called 
> when I went to school), but I needed him to be more powerful than 
> what I saw from Gambon.  One picture that sticks in my mind is 
> Gambon banging on Hagrid's door with a walking stick when 
> accompanied by the executioner.  Why does that bother me?  I guess I 
> just don't see him acting that way. Another is showing off with 
> turning the candles on and off.  Dunno why, but these things didn't 
> quite click with what I imagined.
-------------------------------------------------
Yeah the candle thing (which I wish I could do with my lights) urked
me at first but then I thought "Hey this is the wizarding world and to
them using magic is as normal and ordinary as breathing.
You know something else I have picked up on over watching the movies
and few times in the books.  Some wizards use wands some use their
hands.  Lupin, in the movie, unlocks the chest with a wave of his hand
yet he opens must use his wand to open the cubboard.  The wizard
reading the book while waving his finger causing the spoon to stir his
tea.  What's up?  Can they do magic w/o wands or is small stuff like
this easy? 

> Thanks for posting - this is a lot of fun trying to reconcile all 
> these interesting feelings!
---------------------
I am enjoying this as well.  It helps to bounce emotions off of others
(some to which I had a blast with at Nimbus last year) who may see the
picture clearer or in a different light. Either way, good post there
yourself!

Kai




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 18:02:42 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:02:42 -0000
Subject: PoA's movie credits worth hangin 'round fer
Message-ID: <c9vm82+hflp@eGroups.com>

I caught something in the credits last night as I watched PoA.
I forget how far down it is but on the leftside of the screen in a
little bit of a circular corner are two "people" (footprints) standing
rather intimately together-that is one set of feet are between the
other. I laughed out loud-how very sharky. Must be Percy and Penelope!
Anyone else catch that?

Kai




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 18:36:13 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:36:13 -0000
Subject: PoA's movie credits worth hangin 'round fer
In-Reply-To: <c9vm82+hflp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c9vo6t+7ucg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...> 
wrote:
> I caught something in the credits last night as I watched PoA.
> I forget how far down it is but on the leftside of the screen in a
> little bit of a circular corner are two "people" (footprints) 
standing
> rather intimately together-that is one set of feet are between the
> other. I laughed out loud-how very sharky. Must be Percy and 
Penelope!
> Anyone else catch that?
> 
> Kai

*****\(@@)/*****

Also note a ways into the credits that the footprints turn into bare 
feet and then into paws and finally back to footprints. Also at the 
end you hear Harry go: "Mischief Managed" and the map folds back up.

*****\(@@)/*****
Dudemom_2000




From mcdee1980 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 19:53:59 2004
From: mcdee1980 at yahoo.com (mcdee1980)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:53:59 -0000
Subject: HP related Merch
Message-ID: <c9vson+1huk@eGroups.com>

I don't know if any of the other members of this site have found this 
to be true, but aside from the T shirts and scarves all of the 
wearable HP merch from WB is definitely geared towards kids . . . so 
I made my own HP inspired jewelry.  So far I've got a nifty pair of 
earings and a beaded necklace . . . for about $10 in supplies at my 
local bead shop.  If anyone is interested in making their own, I'd be 
glad to share my ideas.
Lady McBeth




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 19:53:40 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:53:40 -0000
Subject: Chocolate is for Dementors
Message-ID: <c9vso4+9nju@eGroups.com>

I posted this on the Movie group too. Anyone go to the movie and 
take chocolate for the Dementor scene???? Also anyone think this 
could go Cult Movie like Rocky Horror. You know, lights for Lumos, 
chocolate for Dementors....Any other ideas?

*****\(@@)/*****

Dudemom_2000




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun  6 20:21:48 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 20:21:48 -0000
Subject: thoughts inspired by movie
Message-ID: <c9vucs+rsea@eGroups.com>

Kai wrote:

<< You know something else I have picked up on over watching the movies
and few times in the books. Some wizards use wands some use their
hands. Lupin, in the movie, unlocks the chest with a wave of his hand
yet he opens must use his wand to open the cubboard. The wizard
reading the book while waving his finger causing the spoon to stir his
tea. What's up? Can they do magic w/o wands or is small stuff like
this easy? >>

In my opinion, I think in some cases, the magic is small enough and
the wizard is powerful enough to do magic without a wand (e.g. ropes
shooting from Snape's hands in canonical Shrieking Shack) but in other
cases, the wizard is not actually *doing* magic with bare hands, just
giving signals to an already enchanted spoon, cupboard, etc. 

Kai wrote:

<< I caught something in the credits last night as I watched PoA.
I forget how far down it is but on the leftside of the screen in a
little bit of a circular corner are two "people" (footprints) standing
rather intimately together-that is one set of feet are between the
other. I laughed out loud-how very sharky. Must be Percy and Penelope!
Anyone else catch that? >>

Tim (my spouse) saw it and chuckled and said: "I think we've just
witnessed a tryst." I made a mental note to watch for that next time 
I see the movie ... I was actually *reading* the names. 

Lady McBeth wrote:

<< I don't know if any of the other members of this site have found
this to be true, but aside from the T shirts and scarves all of the
wearable HP merch from WB is definitely geared towards kids . . . so
I made my own HP inspired jewelry. So far I've got a nifty pair of
earings and a beaded necklace . . . for about $10 in supplies at my
local bead shop. If anyone is interested in making their own, I'd be
glad to share my ideas. >>

I'd enjoy to hear about your ideas and maybe see photos posted to the
Photos section of this group. My own ideas of HP related jewelry for
grown-ups involve shopping in the "occult" section to get things like
silver broomstick charms...






From suewartell at netscape.net  Sun Jun  6 20:52:02 2004
From: suewartell at netscape.net (suewartell at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:52:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP related Merch
Message-ID: <734EFE73.4B0912E1.10B76594@netscape.net>

Please share - I'd be quite interested in jewelry ideas.

Sue


"mcdee1980" <mcdee1980 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 . . . so 
>I made my own HP inspired jewelry.  So far I've got a nifty pair of 
>earings and a beaded necklace . . .  If anyone is interested in making their own, I'd be glad to share my ideas.
>Lady McBeth
>
>

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 21:06:09 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:06:09 -0000
Subject: HP related Merch
In-Reply-To: <734EFE73.4B0912E1.10B76594@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <ca0101+1njh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, suewartell at n... wrote:
> Please share - I'd be quite interested in jewelry ideas.
> 
> Sue
> 
> 
> "mcdee1980" <mcdee1980 at y...> wrote:
> 
>  . . . so 
> >I made my own HP inspired jewelry.  So far I've got a nifty pair 
of 
> >earings and a beaded necklace . . .  If anyone is interested in 
making their own, I'd be glad to share my ideas.
> >Lady McBeth
> >
> >
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

I got a "golden snitch" necklace on ebay. I am sure it didn't start 
out that way but it is pretty cool. It is a diamond (fake) with 
wings on either side. It is silver instead of gold but I really like 
it. I got 3 so I can use two for earrings.

*****\(@@)/*****
Dudemom_2000




From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Sun Jun  6 21:50:37 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:50:37 -0400
Subject: HP related jewelry  was  thoughts inspired by movie
In-Reply-To: <c9vucs+rsea@eGroups.com>
References: <c9vucs+rsea@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040606174736.02c14230@mail.toltbbs.com>


>Lady McBeth wrote:
>
><< I don't know if any of the other members of this site have found
>this to be true, but aside from the T shirts and scarves all of the
>wearable HP merch from WB is definitely geared towards kids . . . so
>I made my own HP inspired jewelry. So far I've got a nifty pair of
>earings and a beaded necklace . . . for about $10 in supplies at my
>local bead shop. If anyone is interested in making their own, I'd be
>glad to share my ideas. >>
>
>I'd enjoy to hear about your ideas and maybe see photos posted to the
>Photos section of this group. My own ideas of HP related jewelry for
>grown-ups involve shopping in the "occult" section to get things like
>silver broomstick charms...
Phil replies:
A quick search through the books came up with the following:

Borgin and Burkes:
magnificent necklace of Cursed opals

Professor Trelawney:
long emerald earrings.

Bill Weasley:
earrings with fangs on them

Kreacher:
large golden ring bearing the Black crest

Luna Lovegood:
necklace of butterbeer caps,
pair of orange radish earrings

Golgomath:
necklace o' Human-lookin bones.



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From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Sun Jun  6 21:50:45 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:50:45 -0000
Subject: Chocolate is for Dementors
In-Reply-To: <c9vso4+9nju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca03jl+jk2k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> I posted this on the Movie group too. Anyone go to the movie and 
> take chocolate for the Dementor scene???? Also anyone think this 
> could go Cult Movie like Rocky Horror. You know, lights for Lumos, 
> chocolate for Dementors....Any other ideas?
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> Dudemom_2000

Tcy:
How about shouting/singing stuff at the screen?  

"You go, girl!" or singing Pat Benatar's 'hit me with your best shot' 
when Hermione punches Draco?  

Humming the Titanic theme during the Buckbeak/Harry flying over the 
lake scene?

Howling everytime Lupin appears on screen?

Kissing noises everytime Ron and Hermione are on screen together 
exchanging 'glances'?

ok, ok...I'll stop for now...

Tcy, having way too much fun with this idea.




From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 23:39:54 2004
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:39:54 EDT
Subject: HAPPY JASON ISAACS DAY!
Message-ID: <dc.c659ed3.2df5054a@aol.com>


As many of you know,  Today is actor Jason Isaac's birthday.  His Isaacsness 
turned 41 today (same age as Lucius Malfoy XXD).  Being the obsessed nut that 
I am I had to announce the event XXP  

Now, I'm off to watch Chamber of Secrets... 

~Cassie~ 


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From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 04:16:13 2004
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Moony or Mooney?
In-Reply-To: <1086508384.1020.74579.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040607041613.44383.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all-

Did anyone else notice that they misspelled "Moony" as
"Mooney" on the Maurader's Map in the movie?  Is that
really how JKR spells it, or am I missing something?

Christine


	
		
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From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  7 04:57:18 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 04:57:18 -0000
Subject: Moony or Mooney?
In-Reply-To: <20040607041613.44383.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ca0sje+4k5a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Christine Acker
<hphgrwlca at y...> wrote:
> Hi all-
> 
> Did anyone else notice that they misspelled "Moony" as
> "Mooney" on the Maurader's Map in the movie?  Is that
> really how JKR spells it, or am I missing something?
> 
> Christine
> 
 You are right, it is misspelled, I looked on the lexicon at The Leaky
Cauldron and it doesn't have the e before the y.  I am pretty sure
that is how it is spelled in the book too.

Karen




From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  7 06:17:42 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:17:42 -0000
Subject: HP related jewelry  was  thoughts inspired by movie
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040606174736.02c14230@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <ca11a6+b2tl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Phil Vlasak <pcsgames at t...> wrote:

> Phil replies:
> A quick search through the books came up with the following:
> 
> Borgin and Burkes:
> magnificent necklace of Cursed opals
> 
> Professor Trelawney:
> long emerald earrings.
> 
> Bill Weasley:
> earrings with fangs on them
> 
> Kreacher:
> large golden ring bearing the Black crest
> 
> Luna Lovegood:
> necklace of butterbeer caps,
> pair of orange radish earrings
> 
> Golgomath:
> necklace o' Human-lookin bones.
> 
imamommy adds:

Hermione: 
Time Turner Necklace

Parvati Patil:
ornamental butterfly hair clip


> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From jpbooks at idirect.com  Mon Jun  7 08:19:44 2004
From: jpbooks at idirect.com (ne4lock)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 08:19:44 -0000
Subject: POA comment SPOILERS sort of
In-Reply-To: <c9g07u+4kud@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca18f0+cvth@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "a_reader2003" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon 
> <udderpd at y...> wrote:
> >  
> > My main complaints are aimed at Alfonso Cuaron. Did he realise 
that 
> he was contributing one part of a series of films, of well known 
> stories? Has he seen the first two films? Has he read the books? 
It 
> does not appear to be so.
> > 
> 
> Carolyn:
> I saw the film and totally agree...


Dear A Reader, 

I agree with both watchers of this movie as to it's not leading into 
the future movies.

I do not expect movies & books to be exactly the same, however, I 
hate long winded SFX scenes taking the place of dialogue. I also 
hate long SFX scenes of a ditzy nature... Harry's riding and riding 
and riding the Griffon...stealing time which could have be used to 
expand some of the other scenes.

Another beef, is the choir, a boring, not needed timewaster.

And was that small person with the Beatles haircut Flitwick? Shudder.





From entropymail at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 12:59:47 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:59:47 -0000
Subject: A Grouchy TOP TEN (was:POA comment SPOILERS sort of)
In-Reply-To: <ca18f0+cvth@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca1os3+p3ni@eGroups.com>

Okay, just saw the film last night, and had lots to get off my chest,
Firstly, I want to say that I was fully prepared to love the movie, no
matter what. I understand that books must be distilled in order to fit
the two (or three) hour movie format, etc., etc. But, geez, did Cuaron
even read the book? 

And so, in no particular order, here's my  "Decidedly Grouchy Top Ten
Things That Made Me Grouchy":

1. The Whomping Willow: Okay, if you could just run up to the tree and
yell "Immobulus", don't you think someone would have figured that out
by now? Fred and George?

2. The Great Hall: Well, it's not quite as great anymore. Not all
glittery and sparkly and magical. It's smaller and not sparkly. 
Blech. Looks like my boys' cafeteria if my boys' cafeteria had
floating candles.

3. The Dursley's:  The jumpy hand-held camera was just too docu-drama
for me.  Hand-helds and IMAX don't mix. Two words:  Motion. Sickness.

4. The Leaky Cauldron: Particularly, Tom the innkeeper. What is this,
an episode of Monty Python?

5. Dumbledore: If you ask me, the wisest and most powerful wizard of
his time would know a thing or two about good hygiene by now. Time for
a mani and a pedi, Albus.

6. Hogwarts: Yes, I know it's supposed to be thousands of years old
and all, but does it have to look like it's about to crumble to dust
any second now? Check out the staircase to Lupin's office. Made me
want to go wash my hands.

7. Lucius Malfoy: As in... "there is no Lucius Malfoy". In a movie
with narry a Voldemort sighting, the least  they could do was leave
Lucius alone; he's so yummy.

8. Werewolf Lupin: Don't get me started on Werewolf Lupin.  Why in the
world would Harry's class have to write a whole essay on how to tell a
werewolf from a real wolf when the werewolf is the one that's seven
feet tall, hairless and looks like a cartoon when he runs away?

9. Boggart Class: Harry actually gets up to the boggart and it turns
into a dementor. *Then* Lupin steps in. Later, Harry asks him why he
stepped in, and Lupin said he was afraid Harry's boggart would take
the form of Voldemort. But it was already a dementor! Aargh!

10. Flitwick: WTF was that?

I'm gonna go watch Chamber of Secrets now, just to get the "ick" out
of my brain.

:: Entropy ::




From shirley2allie at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  7 15:02:25 2004
From: shirley2allie at hotmail.com (Shirley)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:02:25 -0000
Subject: A Grouchy TOP TEN (was:POA comment SPOILERS sort of)
In-Reply-To: <ca1os3+p3ni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca2021+3vmm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" 
<entropymail at y...> wrote:
> Okay, just saw the film last night, and had lots to get off my 
chest,
> Firstly, I want to say that I was fully prepared to love the movie, 
no
> matter what. I understand that books must be distilled in order to 
fit
> the two (or three) hour movie format, etc., etc. But, geez, did 
Cuaron
> even read the book? 

Shirley:  Me, too.  I wanted to like it.  I wanted it to be *fun*.  
You're not being grouchy; you're being a realist....
 
> And so, in no particular order, here's my  "Decidedly Grouchy Top 
Ten
> Things That Made Me Grouchy":
> 
> 1. The Whomping Willow: Okay, if you could just run up to the tree 
and
> yell "Immobulus", don't you think someone would have figured that 
out
> by now? Fred and George?

Yup, agreed.  *That* was just stupid.  On the other hand, the 
Whomping Willow provided some much-needed comic relief at times 
(albeit a bit over-used by the end of the movie).

> 2. The Great Hall: Well, it's not quite as great anymore. Not all
> glittery and sparkly and magical. It's smaller and not sparkly. 
> Blech. Looks like my boys' cafeteria if my boys' cafeteria had
> floating candles.
> 
> 3. The Dursley's:  The jumpy hand-held camera was just too docu-
drama
> for me.  Hand-helds and IMAX don't mix. Two words:  Motion. 
Sickness.

Eeewww, that would be tough.  My problem with that whole scene thing 
was that it was too jerky from a plot development standpoint - we 
just jumped right into things.  I *did* like Balloon!AuntMarge, 
though.
 
> 4. The Leaky Cauldron: Particularly, Tom the innkeeper. What is 
this,
> an episode of Monty Python?

My first thought:  Marty Feldman (may he rest in peace) from Young 
Frankenstein.  Not, repeat *not* the picture of Tom that was in *my* 
mind!
Secondly, what's up with Fudge having what looked like an office in 
the Leaky Cauldron?????
 
> 5. Dumbledore: If you ask me, the wisest and most powerful wizard of
> his time would know a thing or two about good hygiene by now. Time 
for
> a mani and a pedi, Albus.

Okay, I'll give you that.  Otherwise, I liked Gambon in the role 
(although I miss my buddy Richard Harris an awful lot).
 
> 6. Hogwarts: Yes, I know it's supposed to be thousands of years old
> and all, but does it have to look like it's about to crumble to dust
> any second now? Check out the staircase to Lupin's office. Made me
> want to go wash my hands.

YES!!!  I knew there was something really bothering me, there, but 
couldn't put my finger on it (thank God!) ;-)
 
> 7. Lucius Malfoy: As in... "there is no Lucius Malfoy". In a movie
> with narry a Voldemort sighting, the least  they could do was leave
> Lucius alone; he's so yummy.
> 
> 8. Werewolf Lupin: Don't get me started on Werewolf Lupin.  Why in 
the
> world would Harry's class have to write a whole essay on how to 
tell a
> werewolf from a real wolf when the werewolf is the one that's seven
> feet tall, hairless and looks like a cartoon when he runs away?

Okay, I won't get you started, but I didn't like it *at all*, 
either.  So, I guess, don't get me started, either.  The guy sitting 
next to me in the theater actually *snorted* when he saw that.

And, what was up with all the things that Hermione and Harry had to 
do to get there "time past" selves going, or saving themselves?  
Throwing things into Hagrid's hut (don't remember that in the book), 
howling at the werewolf (that, neither).  Again, another bit of 
schtick overdone....
 
> 9. Boggart Class: Harry actually gets up to the boggart and it turns
> into a dementor. *Then* Lupin steps in. Later, Harry asks him why he
> stepped in, and Lupin said he was afraid Harry's boggart would take
> the form of Voldemort. But it was already a dementor! Aargh!

Oh!  That made me *so mad*!!  Yep, I don't think Cuaron read the book 
(or maybe it was Kloves that didn't read it - isn't he the 
screenwriter?).  At any rate, I can't believe JKR didn't step in and 
say "Uh-UH, that's not the way it goes."   Another thing for the guy 
next to me to groan at (and me right along with him)....

> 10. Flitwick: WTF was that?

Huh?  I don't remember seeing Flitwick at all, unless you're thinking 
of the guy directing the Bullfrog Choir, which I just don't get.  I 
got the soundtrack, and Cuaron wrote a blurb in it about what a great 
job John Williams did and how he built the whole movie/music around 
this frog choir thing.  Too bad he picked something not even vaguely 
canon to build an entire movie around.  *That* would be *my* WTF 
moment!!
 
> I'm gonna go watch Chamber of Secrets now, just to get the "ick" out
> of my brain.
> 
> :: Entropy ::

Now, I wish I'd thought of that, but I did a crash scuba course this 
weekend and was too tired to move when I got home from the movie 
Saturday night.  Maybe I'll try that after I see PoA again, because 
I'm fairly certain my daughter (who comes home today from staying 
with her dad a couple of weeks) will want to see it.

Shirley, wishing the "ick" would go away, but happy to have someplace 
to vent!




From snow15145 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 15:44:49 2004
From: snow15145 at yahoo.com (snow15145)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:44:49 -0000
Subject: A Grouchy TOP TEN (was:POA comment SPOILERS sort of)
In-Reply-To: <ca1os3+p3ni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca22hh+c6s4@eGroups.com>

>snip<
> Firstly, I want to say that I was fully prepared to love the movie, 
no
> matter what. I understand that books must be distilled in order to 
fit
> the two (or three) hour movie format, etc., etc. But, geez, did 
Cuaron
> even read the book? 

>snipped alot of very good complaints<
> I'm gonna go watch Chamber of Secrets now, just to get the "ick" out
> of my brain.
> 
> :: Entropy ::

Snow replies:
I fealt the same way you did and possibly worse! I had to laugh at 
your last statement because that is exactly what I did, although it 
was Sorcerer's Stone for me, in an attempt to stop the pain in my 
head. It did help to visit the *real* Hogwarts again. 




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 16:06:08 2004
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Sternel)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:06:08 -0000
Subject: question on British funeral practices
Message-ID: <ca23pg+v4iv@eGroups.com>

Hi all --

well, love or hate the movie, I've been all inspired to get cracking 
on my fic, which usually is done in bursts of activity and then sits 
dormant for weeks, but I've encountered a big gap in my (admittedly 
spotty) Brit-culture knowledge.

I was hoping the Brits on the list might explain how funerals work -- 
I imagine they're rather similar to US customs, and the religious 
aspect obviously is quite set, but what about wakes?  I realized I 
have no idea if funeral homes are a big thing in the UK, or how wakes 
are generally conducted.  (Well, other than the stereotypical Irish 
type, and as this isn't for Seamus... ::grin::)  

If you don't want to post on list, just pop an email to me at sternel 
@ livejournal.com.  I promise that these aren't main characters I'm 
ruthlessly killing off, btw, so no worries there.  =)  Thanks in 
advance!

-Sternel, who enjoyed the film for the most part, and had a great 
time cheering with everyone at POA Imax, but also agrees that it 
needs more Snape.  ^^




From entropymail at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 16:33:35 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:33:35 -0000
Subject: A Grouchy TOP TEN (was:POA comment SPOILERS sort of)
In-Reply-To: <ca2021+3vmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca25cv+5jaj@eGroups.com>

(with lots of snipping here and there...)

>>Snow replies:
I fealt the same way you did and possibly worse! I had to laugh at
your last statement because that is exactly what I did, although it
was Sorcerer's Stone for me, in an attempt to stop the pain in my
head. It did help to visit the *real* Hogwarts again.

Now Entropy:
For those of you who are still reeling: a SS/COS marathon can do
wonders! I feel much better now.



>>Shirley:
>Secondly, what's up with Fudge having what looked like an office in
the Leaky Cauldron?????

Now Entropy:
Oh yeah! I forgot about that one.  Guess that pea soup at the decrepit
Leaky Cauldron was just so yummy that he decided to move right in!



> 9. Boggart Class: Harry actually gets up to the boggart and it turns
into a dementor. *Then* Lupin steps in. Later, Harry asks him why he 
stepped in, and Lupin said he was afraid Harry's boggart would take 
the form of Voldemort. But it was already a dementor! Aargh!
>Shirley:
Oh! That made me *so mad*!! Yep, I don't think Cuaron read the book
(or maybe it was Kloves that didn't read it - isn't he the
screenwriter?). At any rate, I can't believe JKR didn't step in and
say "Uh-UH, that's not the way it goes." Another thing for the guy
next to me to groan at (and me right along with him)....

Now Entropy:
*I* can't believe that WB didn't require Columbus to keep a closer eye
on things to ensure that Cuaron stuck to  the formula a bit more. I
understand the whole artistic license/director's vision thing but, by
the same token, if you've got a formula that's working, why mess with
it? When I visit the Potterverse, I have some expectations that his
surroundings will look a certain way, important plot points will be
hit, and Fred and George will not be forced to wear Greg Brady's
hand-me-downs.


> 10. Flitwick: WTF was that?
Huh? I don't remember seeing Flitwick at all, unless you're thinking
of the guy directing the Bullfrog Choir

Now Entropy:
Don't remember if he directed the Bullfrog puppets (blech), but
Flitwick was the very small man with the jet black hair and mustache.
Like Flitwick discovered Nice 'n Easy.

:: Entropy::




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jun  7 16:41:51 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:41:51 -0000
Subject: A Grouchy TOP TEN (was:POA comment SPOILERS sort of)
In-Reply-To: <ca2021+3vmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca25sf+bhke@eGroups.com>

Entropy wrote:
> > 
> > 1. The Whomping Willow: Okay, if you could just run up to the 
tree 
> and
> > yell "Immobulus", don't you think someone would have figured 
that 
> out
> > by now? Fred and George?

Shirley replied:
> 
> Yup, agreed.  *That* was just stupid.  On the other hand, the 
> Whomping Willow provided some much-needed comic relief at times 
> (albeit a bit over-used by the end of the movie).

I saw 'Immobilis' as being one of those spells that need training to 
do there.  It seems plausible enough to me that if, say, Dumbledore 
wanted to deactivate the Whomping Willow he would have other ways 
than touching the knot.  It saved time in the movie on an otherwise 
fairly trivial plot point to have teachers able to do this.  I think 
this is really about the downgrading of Crookshanks and the virtual 
disappearance of the pet-related love-hate dynamic between Ron and 
Hermione.

Entropy:

> > 4. The Leaky Cauldron: Particularly, Tom the innkeeper. What is 
> this,
> > an episode of Monty Python?

Shirley:
> 
> My first thought:  Marty Feldman (may he rest in peace) from Young 
> Frankenstein.  Not, repeat *not* the picture of Tom that was in 
*my* 
> mind!
> Secondly, what's up with Fudge having what looked like an office 
in 
> the Leaky Cauldron?????

Yeah, Tom was weird.  It seems pretty clear that Cuaron decided to 
place some clear water between Muggle culture and WW culture and 
this, as well as the toads, the woman knocking on the door at the 
Leaky Cauldron, and the animal noises game were all part of that.

Entropy:
>  
> > 5. Dumbledore: If you ask me, the wisest and most powerful 
wizard of
> > his time would know a thing or two about good hygiene by now. 
Time 
> for
> > a mani and a pedi, Albus.

Shirley:
> 
> Okay, I'll give you that.  Otherwise, I liked Gambon in the role 
> (although I miss my buddy Richard Harris an awful lot).

Yes, I thought he was fine.  I thought a bit of filth and neglect 
were part of the Wise Old Mentor (TM) graduation course?  Is it 
canon that Dumbledore is well-groomed?

Entropy:

> > 7. Lucius Malfoy: As in... "there is no Lucius Malfoy". In a 
movie
> > with narry a Voldemort sighting, the least  they could do was 
leave
> > Lucius alone; he's so yummy.

Since neither Lucius nor Voldemort are in the book, I feel this is 
not a criticism of the film.

> > 8. Werewolf Lupin: Don't get me started on Werewolf Lupin.  Why 
in 
> the
> > world would Harry's class have to write a whole essay on how to 
> tell a
> > werewolf from a real wolf when the werewolf is the one that's 
seven
> > feet tall, hairless and looks like a cartoon when he runs away?
> 
> Okay, I won't get you started, but I didn't like it *at all*, 
> either.  So, I guess, don't get me started, either.  The guy 
sitting 
> next to me in the theater actually *snorted* when he saw that.

Yes, that was bizarre.  Clearly special effects were not in short 
supply, judging by the rest of the movie, so one assumes it was a 
deliberate decision.  The most likely explanation to my mind is that 
Cuaron wanted us to remember that this is a diseased and transformed 
human, not a wild animal.  Certainly a real wolf would seem rather 
anticlimactic at this point, as the wiewer would have to remember 
that the danger is not death but lycanthropy from even a small 
bite.  But still, one wonders if they couldn't have done something a 
little more naturalistic.

Entropy:
> 
> And, what was up with all the things that Hermione and Harry had 
to 
> do to get there "time past" selves going, or saving themselves?  
> Throwing things into Hagrid's hut (don't remember that in the 
book), 
> howling at the werewolf (that, neither).  Again, another bit of 
> schtick overdone....

Now I thought that was good.  It helped get the time travel concept 
across really well: considering the confusion and the debates we've 
had here in the past about the use of the Time Turner, I thought 
Cuaron did an excellent job of getting the idea across.  Hermione's 
howl is perhaps unconvincing, though I think it is entirely in 
character for her.

Entropy:

> > 9. Boggart Class: Harry actually gets up to the boggart and it 
turns
> > into a dementor. *Then* Lupin steps in. Later, Harry asks him 
why he
> > stepped in, and Lupin said he was afraid Harry's boggart would 
take
> > the form of Voldemort. But it was already a dementor! Aargh!

Shirley:
> 
> Oh!  That made me *so mad*!!  Yep, I don't think Cuaron read the 
book 
> (or maybe it was Kloves that didn't read it - isn't he the 
> screenwriter?).  At any rate, I can't believe JKR didn't step in 
and 
> say "Uh-UH, that's not the way it goes."   Another thing for the 
guy 
> next to me to groan at (and me right along with him)....

This really isn't about reading the book, IMO.  It seems 
inconsistent on its own terms.  However, I have always been a bit 
suspicious of Lupin's explanation to Harry anyway.  A worst fear is 
a worst fear, so all the other class members had already seen 
something *more* terrifying for them than Voldemort.  So I wonder if 
canon Lupin is making up a pat explanation for an action with some 
other motive anyway, and movie Lupin is just reflecting this in a 
more blatant way for the cinema audience.  The real motive 
(Consipiracy ESE!Lupin theories aside) would presumably be that 
Lupin didn't want Harry exposed to what the Dementor stands for: the 
exhuming of the horrors of the past.

Entropy:
> 
> > 10. Flitwick: WTF was that?

Shirley:
> 
> Huh?  I don't remember seeing Flitwick at all, unless you're 
thinking 
> of the guy directing the Bullfrog Choir, which I just don't get.

Yeah, I have seen a number of posts mentioning Flitwick, and have no 
idea what they are referring to, unless it's this.

David




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 17:34:16 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:34:16 -0000
Subject: the "look" of PoA
Message-ID: <ca28uo+6p05@eGroups.com>

Is it just me, or does the  wizard world in PoA look........dirty?

I think someone said (sorry, I can't follow all the posts) that 
Dumbledore could use a manicure and a pedicure, and I completely 
agree!  Goodness, just because they live differently, doesn't mean 
they should look nasty.  Does anyone have any ideas as to what is up 
with the filmmakers, that they want PoA to look this way?  I really 
liked the movie, gripes and all.  Hey, I'm just psyched they even 
made the movie, I'm so easy to please.  But I did like how Colombus 
slid in shady looking characters in the Leaky Cauldron and various 
places in the first two, and not the majority looking as though they 
need a bath.  

Any ideas??

Alora  




From entropymail at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 17:49:26 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:49:26 -0000
Subject: A Grouchy TOP TEN (was:POA comment SPOILERS sort of)
In-Reply-To: <ca25sf+bhke@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca29r6+1cks@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> I saw 'Immobilis' as being one of those spells that need training to
 do there.  It seems plausible enough to me that if, say, Dumbledore 
wanted to deactivate the Whomping Willow he would have other ways 
than touching the knot.  It saved time in the movie on an otherwise 
fairly trivial plot point to have teachers able to do this.  <snipped>

Entropy:
This can't clearly be called canon, but I'm almost certain that this
is the spell Hermione uses to stop the Cornish Pixies in the movie
version of COS (it's a "clever Freezing Charm" in the book).  Can't be
too difficult if a second year can manage it. And yes, I do agree that
it's a fairly trivial plot point. But it seems thoughtless to me,
nonetheless, to use what we've seen as a second-year spell to stop the
whomping willow from doing its  whomping.



> Yes, I thought he was fine.  I thought a bit of filth and neglect 
were part of the Wise Old Mentor (TM) graduation course?  Is it 
canon that Dumbledore is well-groomed?

Entropy:
No, no! Not canon! Just my own sensibilities!  ;)



> Since neither Lucius nor Voldemort are in the book, I feel this is 
not a criticism of the film.

Entropy:
True. I thought Lucius was with the committee that went down to
Hagrid's hut for Buckbeak's execution, but he wasn't in the book at
all. Still miss him, though.



> Huh?  I don't remember seeing Flitwick at all, unless you're 
thinking of the guy directing the Bullfrog Choir, which I just don't get.
> Yeah, I have seen a number of posts mentioning Flitwick, and have no
 idea what they are referring to, unless it's this.

Actually, I believe I saw him several times. Once in the Great Hall
(at his regular place at the head table), and once walking with
Dumbledore (perhaps during the "sleeping bag" scene? Not sure). Each
time I saw him was quite jarring.

:: Entropy ::




From LadySawall at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 17:50:58 2004
From: LadySawall at aol.com (Jo Ann)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:50:58 -0000
Subject: Help finding an image
Message-ID: <ca29u2+g5uh@eGroups.com>

Anybody know where I can find a good screen shot of Fawkes in flight 
from the CoS movie?  Please respond to LadySawall @ aol.com.

Thank you!

Jo Ann





From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon Jun  7 19:24:03 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:24:03 -0000
Subject: A Grouchy TOP TEN (was:POA comment SPOILERS sort of)
In-Reply-To: <ca25sf+bhke@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca2fcj+8qee@eGroups.com>

Entropy:
> > > 8. Werewolf Lupin: Don't get me started on Werewolf Lupin.  
Why  in  the world would Harry's class have to write a whole 
essay on how to tell awerewolf from a real wolf when the 
werewolf is the one that's  seven feet tall, hairless and looks like 
a cartoon when he runs away?

David:
> Yes, that was bizarre.  Clearly special effects were not in short 
> supply, judging by the rest of the movie, so one assumes it 
was a  deliberate decision.  The most likely explanation to my 
mind is that  Cuaron wanted us to remember that this is a 
diseased and transformed  human, not a wild animal.  Certainly 
a real wolf would seem rather  anticlimactic at this point, as the 
wiewer would have to remember  that the danger is not death but 
lycanthropy from even a small  bite.  But still, one wonders if they 
couldn't have done something a  little more naturalistic.<

Pippin:
In the book, Hermione figured out how recognize a werewolf in 
human form after having been set an essay about how to tell the 
difference between a werewolf and real wolf. Okay, that proves 
she's brilliant, but it's potentially confusing in a movie. Snape's 
essay in the movie: How to recognize a werewolf, (ie,  in human 
form) makes more sense. 

The resemblance between a real wolf and a werewolf isn't a plot 
point in the movie or the book--and I'm not sure it ever will be.  
There aren't any wild wolves in Britain today, I believe, so this bit 
of the Hogwarts curriculum is obsolete anyway, I think. Just one 
of JKR's little jokes about the teaching profession.


> Entropy:
> 
> > > 9. Boggart Class: Harry actually gets up to the boggart and 
it  turns into a dementor. *Then* Lupin steps in. Later, Harry asks 
him  why he stepped in, and Lupin said he was afraid Harry's 
boggart would take the form of Voldemort. But it was already a 
dementor! Aargh!
> 
> Shirley:
> > 
> > Oh!  That made me *so mad*!!  Yep, I don't think Cuaron read 
the book  (or maybe it was Kloves that didn't read it - isn't he the 
screenwriter?).  At any rate, I can't believe JKR didn't step in 
 and  say "Uh-UH, that's not the way it goes."   Another thing for 
the guy  next to me to groan at (and me right along with him)....

David: 
> This really isn't about reading the book, IMO.  It seems 
inconsistent on its own terms.  However, I have always been a 
bit  suspicious of Lupin's explanation to Harry anyway.  A worst 
fear is  a worst fear, so all the other class members had already 
seen something *more* terrifying for them than Voldemort.  So I 
wonder if canon Lupin is making up a pat explanation for an 
action with some  other motive anyway, and movie Lupin is just 
reflecting this in a  more blatant way for the cinema audience.  
The real motive  (Consipiracy ESE!Lupin theories aside) would 
presumably be that Lupin didn't want Harry exposed to what the 
Dementor stands for: the  exhuming of the horrors of the past.<

Pippin:
It's canon that if Riddikulus fails the boggart will assume another 
terrifying form--remember what happened to Molly in OOP? So 
staging the scene as they did  is  reasonable from a canon 
standpoint, and much more dramatic than having Harry stand 
there not doing anything.  

As for Lupin's explanation, I don't think he's telling us everything 
either, but I have to admit it makes sense. Voldemort might not 
be everyone's worst fear, but he is something that everyone in 
the class would be afraid of, unlike, say, spiders, so Lupin's 
concern about mass panic is at least reasonable.

I was of course gratified to see that nothing in the movie puts 
ESE!Lupin to rest --although his boggart is clearly the full moon 
(another change from canon) the crystal ball connection appears 
when Lupin's face shows up in Trelawney's crystal and says 
"Harry Potter" in a gratifyingly menacing tone. 

 I loved the movie.  I don't ever expect an adaptation to recreate 
the  book-- movies are *visual*. Trying to recreate literature with 
movies would be like trying to recreate  a painting with words. 

The most the filmmakers can do is extract the story from the 
book and tell it visually--and their version of *the* story is their 
own. Cuaron and Kloves clearly saw Harry in a race against time 
to learn to overcome his fears--and that's the story they told.  The 
Marauders, lovely as they are, aren't needed to tell that story. 
Much as I love Snape, by PoA Harry isn't really afraid of him 
anymore, so he's not part of it either.

I think there's a clock, or a reference to time in every scene and I 
had lots of fun spotting them in my second viewing. The music, 
toad choir and all, is part of that--music, like filmmaking, is an
art that takes place in *time.*


Pippin
who doesn't care what Flitwick looks like and thinks the 
 realistic, grubby, and down-to-earth castle is in keeping with 
canon




From rzl46 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 20:19:55 2004
From: rzl46 at yahoo.com (rzl46)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:19:55 -0000
Subject: Movie gripe
Message-ID: <ca2ilb+7bo8@eGroups.com>

The only thing they left out of the movie that REALLY bothered me was 
that Lupin never explained to Harry who Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and 
Prongs were.  That would have added, what?, five minutes at most to 
the movie.  I think knowing the Marauder's nicknames is too important 
in future stories to be left out here.  Anyone else agree?

"rzl46" 




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 21:30:44 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:30:44 -0000
Subject: question on British funeral practices
In-Reply-To: <ca23pg+v4iv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca2mq4+oggr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sternel" <starling823 at y...> 
wrote:

>I've encountered a big gap in my (admittedly  spotty) Brit-culture 
> knowledge.

> I was hoping the Brits on the list might explain how funerals 
work -- 
> I imagine they're rather similar to US customs, and the religious 
> aspect obviously is quite set, but what about wakes?  I realized I 
> have no idea if funeral homes are a big thing in the UK, or how  
> wakes are generally conducted.  (Well, other than the  
> stereotypical Irish type, and as this isn't for  
> Seamus... ::grin::) 

For a start, 'wake' is a term which would only be used by people of 
Irish descent. It's an Irish tradition, not an English, Welsh or 
Scottish one. The Dursley's wouldn't dream of holding a 'wake' for 
Uncle Vernon, for example, though they might well invite people back 
to Privet Drive for drinks and buffet food after the 
internment/cremation.

The way a British funeral generally takes place is:

Someone dies. This is generally considered essential, unless you are 
planning an insurance fraud. You'd call the doctor to certify death, 
then probably call the nice funeral director who handled Aunty Flo's 
funeral so tastefully. Alternatively, if it's a hospital death, the 
staff might recommend someone, or you'd stagger grief stricken into 
the funeral directors opposite the hospital.

The funeral director will then tactfully guide you to select the 
type of funeral, coffin, religious service etc. It does happen that 
a body will then lie in state in the funeral home, the way that I 
see in US TV series or films. Equally common is that the funeral 
director (often still called the 'undertaker') will do the coffining 
up, then deliver the coffin to the deceased's home. The coffin will 
lie there for a day or two, and people will visit the house to say 
goodbye.

If the deceased was a regular churchgoer, the relatives may choose 
to have the coffin placed in the relevant church instead. In that 
case the coffin will be placed in front of the communion rails, 
often with lit candles on tall floor candlesticks, one at each 
corner of the coffin. There will usually have been at least one 
Sunday between the death and the lying in church, so that the 
congregation can be informed, and those who knew the deceased can 
come and say a prayer for their soul.

The funeral itself might be in one or two parts. A one part funeral 
is held solely at the crematorium or graveyard (and people are 
cremated a *lot* in the UK. Many graveyards are standing room only). 
There will be a 'chapel' (NOT a church) if it's a municipal (town) 
graveyard or a crematorium. That's the most common type. If the 
deceased (or their relatives!) aren't religious at all, the funeral 
director will suggest some type of humanist service, to be held at 
the chapel. But a lot of Brits are 'weddings and funerals' 
Christians; they'll have a religious funeral service even if they 
barely went near a church in life.

A two part funeral will be held at the local church, followed by a 
trip to the nearest graveyard/crematorium where the actual committal 
takes place. As well as regular churchgoers, very popular people 
might have two part funerals - it's an easy way of arranging for a 
largish number of people to be able to attend the service, but only 
family and close friends go on to the committal.

If it's a smallish village, you might have a local graveyard 
surrounding the church which is still open. Many church graveyards 
are full, however. Expect a car journey to the graveyard afterwards 
if you want a funeral service in a church.

It's still popular in some areas to use a hearse pulled by black 
horses, especially if the deceased was the much loved matriarch of a 
very large family. If so, the sides of the hearse are glass so that 
you can see the coffin, and wreaths will probably spell out words 
like 'mum', 'gran'. Such wreaths will be carefully placed against 
the coffin, so that passers by can see them.

After the funeral, there will be a reception of some kind. This will 
be either held at a relative's house, and be for close family and 
friends, or at a large room in a pub, and be for everyone. The pub 
kind is usually more boisterous - the ones at home *sometimes* more 
genteel. For some reason, there always seem to be pork pies. Alcohol 
will be served.

Hope that's some help. Other people might have some other 
suggestions - there are a fair amount of regional and class 
variations in funeral customs here. But the above would sound fairly 
reasonable to most Brits (I think).

Pip!Squeak




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun  7 22:18:33 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:18:33 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: question on British funeral practices
References: <ca2mq4+oggr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c44cdd$5f41aec0$bcde6251@kathryn>


Pip!Squeak
>
> It's still popular in some areas to use a hearse pulled by black
> horses, especially if the deceased was the much loved matriarch of a
> very large family. If so, the sides of the hearse are glass so that
> you can see the coffin, and wreaths will probably spell out words
> like 'mum', 'gran'. Such wreaths will be carefully placed against
> the coffin, so that passers by can see them.
>
>
K

This is *especially* true if the dead person is a Londoner (I'm tempted to
be more precise and say from the East End but I'm not certain as to whether
it's more widespread) or if they are from one of the 'New Towns' which were
pretty much full of transplanted Londoners (Stevenage comes to mind. I have
seen this kind of thing there before.) However it also conjures up images
for me of East End 'heroes' like the Krays (why some sections of the London
population are so keen on these really nasty crooks is beyond me)

However you do get oddballs everywhere so pretty much anything goes - my
father swears he wants a New Orleans style thing with a horsedrawn hears and
a trumpet player. Of course I told everyone I wanted Meatloaf "Good Girls go
to Heaven (but the Bad Girls go Everywhere) played at my funeral so it may
be that oddness is hereditary ;)

K




From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 22:25:08 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (waynegregory23)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:25:08 -0000
Subject: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
Message-ID: <ca2q04+3q37@eGroups.com>

What is wrong with you lot? The third film was the best one! OK it 
is very different, but dont forget so was the book. The about of 
complaints which have cropped up are "ridikulus"!
Next thing u will be saying that Harris should come back and play 
Dumbledore again!
This venture was not supposed be as cute as the other two! and 
although COS was darker, it was still cute!!
What makes you all think that the wizarding world is perfect, in my 
opinion it is far from it. It looks like Chris Columbus has 
brainwashed you all! You probably want Disney to take up thae 
franchise next!!
Remember, there were parts left out of the other two films. If all 
the films were the same kind of thing, we would probably complain 
about that too! 
The werewolf was that different because the kids would have found it 
difficult to see which one was Lupin and Sirius. But it seem people 
couldn't even keep up with the shrieking shack scene. It's not brain 
surgery for those who have read the book!
And what are talking about!! I am sure Dumbledore is not vain enough 
to worry about his nails!!
This annoys me that all of a sudden, the fans are film critics. 
Although the books were not intended for children, but unfortunetly 
they are. 
I knew it was going to be different, because of all the changes ( 
dumbledore, director)what did you all expect??? What are you going 
to do when the next film comes out? Or are you all going to wait 
until five when Colubus come back and makes it cute again?
It just goes to show that the true fans will love this, as the 
others who havent thought about things will just dismiss it!

"waynegregory23"





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  8 00:15:37 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:15:37 -0000
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca2fcj+8qee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca30f9+ki4j@eGroups.com>

> Pippin:
> I was of course gratified to see that nothing in the movie puts 
> ESE!Lupin to rest --although his boggart is clearly the full moon 
> (another change from canon) the crystal ball connection appears 
> when Lupin's face shows up in Trelawney's crystal and says 
> "Harry Potter" in a gratifyingly menacing tone. 

Jen: I read on the movie list that Sirius was the face in the 
crystal ball, but Pippin says it was Lupin's face. Anyone else want 
to weigh in on this one? I couldn't tell. In fact, I think I missed 
many things and need to go again soon.




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 01:05:46 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:05:46 -0000
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca30f9+ki4j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca33da+8alf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
wrote:
> > Pippin:
> > I was of course gratified to see that nothing in the movie puts 
> > ESE!Lupin to rest --although his boggart is clearly the full moon 
> > (another change from canon) the crystal ball connection appears 
> > when Lupin's face shows up in Trelawney's crystal and says 
> > "Harry Potter" in a gratifyingly menacing tone. 
> 
> Jen: I read on the movie list that Sirius was the face in the 
> crystal ball, but Pippin says it was Lupin's face. Anyone else want 
> to weigh in on this one? I couldn't tell. In fact, I think I missed 
> many things and need to go again soon.

Annemehr:
I couldn't really tell whose face it was, it was so distorted, but it 
certainly sounded to me just like the way Voldemort said "Harry 
Potter" from the back of Quirrell's head in the first movie.






From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Tue Jun  8 01:18:43 2004
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:18:43 -0000
Subject: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <ca2q04+3q37@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca345j+b06h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "waynegregory23" 
<waynegregory23 at y...> wrote:
> What is wrong with you lot? The third film was the best one! OK it 
> is very different, but dont forget so was the book. The about of 
> complaints which have cropped up are "ridikulus"!

> 
> "waynegregory23"

(snip 'cause I agree with everything you posted)

I mostly lurk around but am writing this because I think I need to 
say something good about Alfonso Cuar?n, as I am mexican too. I 
think he did a wonderful job as a director of the movie; and of 
course he read the books. Do you really think JKR would have let him 
direct this movie if she knew he had no idea of what he was doing? 
Someone said PoA was an american action film with mexican touches, 
the only mexican touch that I saw were the sugar skulls at 
Honeydukes; the shrunken (talking) heads belong to an ancient tribe 
in Ecuador. Complaints about missing characters like Sir Cadogan or 
Oliver Wood are out of context, you might as well complain about 
Florean Fortescue not being in the movie. I think Sir Cadogan or 
Oliver Wood were not that relevant to the plot. The "time-wasting" 
scenes like Harry riding Buckbeak or the frog choir put together 
take what? five minutes? What would you include there? Alfonso was 
the director of this film, but he didn't work alone; Columbus, as a 
producer had to stay close and make sure Cuar?n was doing a good 
job. 

The beauty of reading a book is that you give your own 
interpretation to characters, setting, plot, etc. Each and every one 
of us have our own interpretation of the books, Alfonso Cuar?n gave 
us his, and I think he did a great job. PoA IMNSHO is the best of 
the three movies, and JKR thinks the same. I am really sorry that 
there are a lot of people upset about (movie)PoA; that was bound to 
happen, as Melody mentioned, especially with a book that is so dear 
to many of us. I only hope that these people can focus a little bit 
more on the good things they saw, rather than the bad ones. Thanks 
to the many people here who could appreciate the work done by 
Alfonso, it's good to know I am not the only one who thinks he did a 
wonderful job ;)

Gabriela
(going back to lurkdom)




From editor at texas.net  Tue Jun  8 01:41:22 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:41:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
References: <ca2q04+3q37@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c44cf9$b5ff6d80$a259aacf@texas.net>

Waynegregory:

> What is wrong with you lot?

Evidently that we don't agree with *you.*

> This annoys me that all of a sudden, the fans are film critics.

Well, this fan, for one, reserves the right to have an opinion. My opinion
happens to be that within the framework of the film itself, the book *not*
considered, I found inconsistencies that were distracting and avoidable. And
I found the pace too fast. If this does not tally with your own take, too
bad. Don't be telling me there's something wrong with my perceptions or
opinion, or question whether I am a "fan" or not.

> Although the books were not intended for children, but unfortunetly
> they are.

Please also use correct spelling and complete English sentences. It would
make it easier to respond to you.

> It just goes to show that the true fans will love this, as the
> others who havent thought about things will just dismiss it!

Well, some others who have thought about things will have legitimate
questions and discuss them in a civilized, non-insulting fashion. I presume
they are more mature than I, and will ignore you.

~Amanda






From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 02:11:05 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (waynegregory23)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 02:11:05 -0000
Subject: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
Message-ID: <ca377p+1tru@eGroups.com>

I am just saying that I am annoyed many people have not given this 
film a chance. I was not attacking anyone in particular.
Just to dismiss this film because "I found the pace too fast." would 
be a great injustice to the crews efforts. I apologise for my 
spelling as i was in a rush too type the message.
As for ignoring me I hope they don't! I hope they argue why the film 
was bad because most of the reasons I have heard at the moment are 
absured, eg Dumbledore having a manicure!
Once again I apologise to Amanda Geist if she was offended by my 
comments. But in the end J.K.Rowling has said herself "it's my 
favourite Harry Potter film so far". Surely if she has given it the 
thumbs up, then she doesnt mind that parts are missing!
I apologise for questioning anyone's loyalty as a fan. I am one 
myself and i just get angry when people see it as a failure because 
it deviates from the txt. The main story was told! It was just a 
shame that details such as, Hermione's work load, the firebolt 
incident, Where the map originated from, etc was left out.




From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 02:13:50 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:13:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <ca345j+b06h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040608021350.77944.qmail@web86406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Thank you! i love the books so much! but to get the pefect film, Alfonso would have had to make a film individually for everyone!

Gabriela <gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx> wrote:--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "waynegregory23" 
wrote:
> What is wrong with you lot? The third film was the best one! OK it 
> is very different, but dont forget so was the book. The about of 
> complaints which have cropped up are "ridikulus"!

> 
> "waynegregory23"

(snip 'cause I agree with everything you posted)

I mostly lurk around but am writing this because I think I need to 
say something good about Alfonso Cuar?n, as I am mexican too. I 
think he did a wonderful job as a director of the movie; and of 
course he read the books. Do you really think JKR would have let him 
direct this movie if she knew he had no idea of what he was doing? 
Someone said PoA was an american action film with mexican touches, 
the only mexican touch that I saw were the sugar skulls at 
Honeydukes; the shrunken (talking) heads belong to an ancient tribe 
in Ecuador. Complaints about missing characters like Sir Cadogan or 
Oliver Wood are out of context, you might as well complain about 
Florean Fortescue not being in the movie. I think Sir Cadogan or 
Oliver Wood were not that relevant to the plot. The "time-wasting" 
scenes like Harry riding Buckbeak or the frog choir put together 
take what? five minutes? What would you include there? Alfonso was 
the director of this film, but he didn't work alone; Columbus, as a 
producer had to stay close and make sure Cuar?n was doing a good 
job. 

The beauty of reading a book is that you give your own 
interpretation to characters, setting, plot, etc. Each and every one 
of us have our own interpretation of the books, Alfonso Cuar?n gave 
us his, and I think he did a great job. PoA IMNSHO is the best of 
the three movies, and JKR thinks the same. I am really sorry that 
there are a lot of people upset about (movie)PoA; that was bound to 
happen, as Melody mentioned, especially with a book that is so dear 
to many of us. I only hope that these people can focus a little bit 
more on the good things they saw, rather than the bad ones. Thanks 
to the many people here who could appreciate the work done by 
Alfonso, it's good to know I am not the only one who thinks he did a 
wonderful job ;)

Gabriela
(going back to lurkdom)




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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 02:14:54 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:14:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca33da+8alf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040608021454.57621.qmail@web86405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I thought it was Sirius's!!

annemehr <annemehr at yahoo.com> wrote:--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" 
wrote:
> > Pippin:
> > I was of course gratified to see that nothing in the movie puts 
> > ESE!Lupin to rest --although his boggart is clearly the full moon 
> > (another change from canon) the crystal ball connection appears 
> > when Lupin's face shows up in Trelawney's crystal and says 
> > "Harry Potter" in a gratifyingly menacing tone. 
> 
> Jen: I read on the movie list that Sirius was the face in the 
> crystal ball, but Pippin says it was Lupin's face. Anyone else want 
> to weigh in on this one? I couldn't tell. In fact, I think I missed 
> many things and need to go again soon.

Annemehr:
I couldn't really tell whose face it was, it was so distorted, but it 
certainly sounded to me just like the way Voldemort said "Harry 
Potter" from the back of Quirrell's head in the first movie.






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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 02:18:50 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (waynegregory23)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 02:18:50 -0000
Subject: Mrs Norris
Message-ID: <ca37ma+negu@eGroups.com>

How come this is the only animal which has a title?
Could it be that Argus Filch, in all his suibdom, had an accident 
which turned someone he knew into the cat we now know? Or even 
someone else as a prank? Is this why Filch has those books in his 
office about @how to learn magic'? 
What do think?




From editor at texas.net  Tue Jun  8 02:23:51 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:23:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
References: <ca377p+1tru@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c44cff$a4964720$a259aacf@texas.net>

Waynegregory:

> I am just saying that I am annoyed many people have not given this
> film a chance.

Yeah, I got that part.

> Just to dismiss this film because "I found the pace too fast." would
> be a great injustice to the crews efforts.

(1) Criticism is not dismissal. Rather a lot of this film is quite good. But
like the world of Harry Potter, reactions come in shades of gray, and I
don't believe my only choices are "love it" or "hate it."

(2) Quite a few things that took a great deal of effort still fall short. I
can recognize and applaud the attempt without granting that it succeeded.

> As for ignoring me I hope they don't! I hope they argue why the film
> was bad because most of the reasons I have heard at the moment are
> absured, eg Dumbledore having a manicure!

Go back, then, and reread some. I have seen (and happen to agree with) the
comment that the wizarding world was too "dirty"; Cuaron seems to have edged
toward a wizarding world which has much of the caricature in it, where Tom
the innkeeper has become a cackling cartoon, where the reputable inn The
Leaky Cauldron has become a shamble, where the splendid castle of Hogwarts
has the flavor of ruin, where the dignified headmaster has become a rumpled
old man. I understood the comment about the nails to be an example, in line
with this perception.

There have been many comments, both nitpicking and otherwise. My own
five-year-old wanted to know why the Willow didn't hit them when they came
out. I doubt that makes him less of a fan or too critical; it simply means
that for that one boy's perception, something wasn't right.

> Once again I apologise to Amanda Geist if she was offended by my >
comments. But in the end J.K.Rowling has said herself "it's my
> favourite Harry Potter film so far". Surely if she has given it the
> thumbs up, then she doesnt mind that parts are missing!

And she is entitled to her opinion too. But I am under no obligation to
share it.

> I apologise for questioning anyone's loyalty as a fan. I am one
> myself and i just get angry when people see it as a failure because
> it deviates from the txt.

See above. There are more choices than "failure" and "spectacular success."
My problems were not that it deviates from the book; I expected this. My
difficulty is within the film itself. I can't say I'm happy about so much
backstory being omitted, but there are plenty of things I wasn't happy with
without even opening the book.

Get angry all you like; but wait fifteen minutes and reread your posts
before you get angry online. Especially reasonlessly, for people using this
venue as it was intended, to express valid opinions. It'd probably help with
the spelling, too.

~Amanda




From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 02:51:56 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:51:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c44cff$a4964720$a259aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20040608025156.73901.qmail@web86407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

thanks for your reply. and i agree. many things were left out which i would have liked to have seen. And obviously you have taken a dislike to me.But I do agree with you, the story does fall short, it should have been a longer film. that way everyone would have been happy. I think that the great hall was a dissapointment, i don't understand why the eneding wasn't exactly like the book, i would have liked to have seen the firebolt incident, i dont understand why the werewolf looked so different and Snape asked them to write an essay on the them, why didnt they use the knot on the whomping willow to stop him moving?
I have some of the Gray questions too.
However, we only assumed it looked dirty because Chris Columbus, had directed the first two, If Alfonso had, it would be a different discussion.
I also disagree with the comments on Dumbledore, Micheal Gambon's portrayal is (in my opinion) admirable. How difficult could it be for him to take Richard Harris' helm? I think they both cover the role well, Harris for hi calm manner and authority and Gamon for his bizarre nature. Not only that, but I feel he didn't have enough time to portray his version of the character. 
I appreciate the fact that everyone  has an opinion, and the comments I recieved were good ones, but this film is not the only movie with mistakes and I know everyone else knows this. All i am suggesting is that we give Alfonso a break. It is difficult to take over projects. I fell they should let fans take the direction, Lord of the rings and X men have prooved that fans can make brilliant films.

Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:
Waynegregory:

> I am just saying that I am annoyed many people have not given this
> film a chance.

Yeah, I got that part.

> Just to dismiss this film because "I found the pace too fast." would
> be a great injustice to the crews efforts.

(1) Criticism is not dismissal. Rather a lot of this film is quite good. But
like the world of Harry Potter, reactions come in shades of gray, and I
don't believe my only choices are "love it" or "hate it."

(2) Quite a few things that took a great deal of effort still fall short. I
can recognize and applaud the attempt without granting that it succeeded.

> As for ignoring me I hope they don't! I hope they argue why the film
> was bad because most of the reasons I have heard at the moment are
> absured, eg Dumbledore having a manicure!

Go back, then, and reread some. I have seen (and happen to agree with) the
comment that the wizarding world was too "dirty"; Cuaron seems to have edged
toward a wizarding world which has much of the caricature in it, where Tom
the innkeeper has become a cackling cartoon, where the reputable inn The
Leaky Cauldron has become a shamble, where the splendid castle of Hogwarts
has the flavor of ruin, where the dignified headmaster has become a rumpled
old man. I understood the comment about the nails to be an example, in line
with this perception.

There have been many comments, both nitpicking and otherwise. My own
five-year-old wanted to know why the Willow didn't hit them when they came
out. I doubt that makes him less of a fan or too critical; it simply means
that for that one boy's perception, something wasn't right.

> Once again I apologise to Amanda Geist if she was offended by my >
comments. But in the end J.K.Rowling has said herself "it's my
> favourite Harry Potter film so far". Surely if she has given it the
> thumbs up, then she doesnt mind that parts are missing!

And she is entitled to her opinion too. But I am under no obligation to
share it.

> I apologise for questioning anyone's loyalty as a fan. I am one
> myself and i just get angry when people see it as a failure because
> it deviates from the txt.

See above. There are more choices than "failure" and "spectacular success."
My problems were not that it deviates from the book; I expected this. My
difficulty is within the film itself. I can't say I'm happy about so much
backstory being omitted, but there are plenty of things I wasn't happy with
without even opening the book.

Get angry all you like; but wait fifteen minutes and reread your posts
before you get angry online. Especially reasonlessly, for people using this
venue as it was intended, to express valid opinions. It'd probably help with
the spelling, too.

~Amanda




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From hgranger919 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 02:35:34 2004
From: hgranger919 at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
Message-ID: <20040608023534.57001.qmail@web51810.mail.yahoo.com>


Amanda wrote:
> Please also use correct spelling and complete English sentences. 
> It would make it easier to respond to you.


I think that's completely uncalled for. 
		
"Suzanne"





From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 02:59:43 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:59:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE:  POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <20040608023534.57001.qmail@web51810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040608025943.27037.qmail@web86408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

i dont mean any offence! i am just angry that people seem to have dismissed that film as a loss because of its faults. i am sorry if i have offended you.

Suzanne Chiles <hgranger919 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Amanda wrote:
> Please also use correct spelling and complete English sentences. 
> It would make it easier to respond to you.


I think that's completely uncalled for. 

"Suzanne"





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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Jun  8 03:06:42 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:06:42 +1000
Subject: Pre-viewing impressions of PoA
Message-ID: <20040608030014.M98277@alphalink.com.au>

Posting this here, because I intend to post in more detail on these points
after I've seen the film. This is an edited version of a post I sent to the
movie group yesterday.

Well, the thing is - at some schools, some boarding schools, kids
*do* wear their uniforms during a lot of their free time - and the
more traditional the school the more likely this is - I suspect that there are
relatively few boarding schools in Britain today where uniforms are worn all
the time, but Hogwarts has always struck me as a very traditional place, with
attitudes that are a fair bit behind our Muggle world on issues like that.

The kids not wearing the uniforms outside school hours isn't a huge problem
for me personally - but it's not unrealistic for them to wear out of those
times - I've got nothing against the change, but I don't think this is
inherently more realistic. Incidentally at the school I attended in the late
1980s/early 1990s - an Australian school based on the very traditional British
model - they actually had to force a great many of us to change out of our
uniforms - they didn't *want* us to wear them outside school hours that much,
because they were expensive and they didn't want them damaged - but most of us
had no incredible desire to change.

I haven't seen PoA yet, because it's not out here until Thursday - but what
I've seen in shorts and previews, my problems with the uniforms are not so
much that I don't like them - I do. Nor is it with the fact that they don't
always wear them. It's that the uniforms have changed - not incredibly, but
noticeably. This is the third movie in a series and I would have preferred it
to remain fairly visually consistent with the first two films. Schools -
especially traditional schools - don't change their uniforms that often (the
school I attended hasn't made a major change in a century now). One change I
don't *really* have a problem with, because that could happen - but I now
worry that every future director will feel they have carte blanche to make any
changes they like - and a different uniform (even subtly different) every year
would get annoying.

Something I think many fans may be unfamiliar with - especially American fans
- is that Britain has a very long and very large tradition of 'school
stories'. Stories set in boarding schools mostly. These school stories form a
massive literary genre with its own conventions, and JKR draws on these
conventions heavily in writing her books - Hogwarts has a lot of influence
from the schools in these stories.

And quite a lot of fans in Britain and the Commonwealth are familiar with
these stories - probably not so much children, but people in their late
twenties or older - many of them will know at least some of these stories. And
for quite a number of these adult fans part of the reason Harry Potter appeals
to them is because it *does* follow those conventions, it does fit into that
genre.

The first two films, for all their faults, also fitted into the genre pretty
well - the uniforms, the way the classrooms look, etc. From what I've seen of
PoA (and I'm reserving final judgement on this until Thursday when I see it),
I'm relly not sure it's followed those conventions as well - and I think
that's largely down to the director. His background means he's not likely to
be that familiar with the genre, if at all, and he won't understand why
certain things might be important to some people and so he makes decisions
that they don't like that much.

I'm not saying he should have stuck slavishly to the genre - but I think quite
a few fans aren't even aware that the genre exists, and if they don't know
that, some of the reasons some people don't like the film may not be that
intelligible, because people won't understand why seemingly irrelevant details
such as a uniform and clothing *matter* to some people. It matters to some of
us because part of the reason Harry Potter appealed to some of us was because
it is a 'traditional British school story' at its core. It has a lot more to
it as well - but for those of us who grew up reading the hundreds of books
written in that style it's very much there.

For me, part of the reason Harry Potter appealed to me when I first
encountered it was because Harry's joy at discovering Hogwarts was so familiar
to me, based on my own experiences winding up at a school which was in the
very traditional British model at 13, after years of reading about such
schools. Those feelings - of the type of school Hogwarts is portayed as being
matter to me. And the first two movies really did do quite a good job of
showing that resonance. I'm just not sure that PoA will from what I've seen so
far. It may be a better film in so many other ways - but if it doesn't have
that, it's not the same for me, personally.

And strange as it may seem to you - issues like the kids not wearing their
uniforms outside of school hours matter - because in those books, in the books
that belong to that genre, in the vast majority of cases, the kids *do* wear
their uniforms outside school hours. That's a feature of the genre - it's not
universal but it is commonplace.

So on one level, that does matter to me.

I don't expect everybody to agree - but I do hope that people can be at least
aware of the genre of schools stories and the influence it has on some
people's perceptions here.

The one bright spot for me - the ray of hope I suppose - is that JKR is very
obviously aware of the genre in her writing, and knows it's "rules" and chose
to use them. And she likes this film - so that makes me hope it won't be as
bad as I fear. Although comments I've seen today about her not caring about
issues like whether shirts are tucked in or not, makes me wonder once more...

It's not that I'm going to hate the film - I very much doubt I will. From what
I've heard, I think I'm likely to agree with far more of the new decisions
than I disagree with. But this is a real issue - and I just think many fans
don't understand why it is - especially, as I say, the American fans, who are
much less likely to have had any real exposure to this genre (and younger
fans, even in the UK and the Commonwealth aren't that likely to have it either).

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
      (ISTJ) | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From editor at texas.net  Tue Jun  8 03:14:03 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:14:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE:  POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
References: <20040608023534.57001.qmail@web51810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01c44d06$a7b7ce40$a259aacf@texas.net>

I, Amanda wrote:
> > Please also use correct spelling and complete English sentences.
> > It would make it easier to respond to you.
>
Suzanne thought:

> I think that's completely uncalled for.

On the contrary, clear English is a requirement for this list and all the
HPFGU lists. We are a diverse community from many different countries and
cultures, and taking the extra few minutes to make sure that your post is
clear and correct can make all the difference in how it is received. For
instance, had the original post been composed of clear sentences and
complete points, I might have received waynegregory's message as less of a
tirade and more of a serious observation.

All we have on these lists is our words and how they are chosen and framed.
Care in the handling of those words is always indicated; they represent us.

This is enough now; please contact me offlist if you have further comment.

~Amanda







From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 03:21:05 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:21:05 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE:  POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c44d06$a7b7ce40$a259aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20040608032105.78881.qmail@web86407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Point taken. I apologies, I am new to the whole online experience. What I did was out of order. Thank you for your message.

Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:I, Amanda wrote:
> > Please also use correct spelling and complete English sentences.
> > It would make it easier to respond to you.
>
Suzanne thought:

> I think that's completely uncalled for.

On the contrary, clear English is a requirement for this list and all the
HPFGU lists. We are a diverse community from many different countries and
cultures, and taking the extra few minutes to make sure that your post is
clear and correct can make all the difference in how it is received. For
instance, had the original post been composed of clear sentences and
complete points, I might have received waynegregory's message as less of a
tirade and more of a serious observation.

All we have on these lists is our words and how they are chosen and framed.
Care in the handling of those words is always indicated; they represent us.

This is enough now; please contact me offlist if you have further comment.

~Amanda







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From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  8 03:23:37 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:23:37 -0000
Subject: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <ca377p+1tru@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca3bfp+o6q1@eGroups.com>

waynegregory:
> As for ignoring me I hope they don't! I hope they argue why the 
film 
> was bad because most of the reasons I have heard at the moment are 
> absured, eg Dumbledore having a manicure!

Jen: I definitely won't argue the movie was bad, because I 
thoroughly enjoyed many of the scenes, the humor, & the raw energy 
of the cast. Cuaron has a gift--that part is clear.

There was an important piece missing for me though, something I 
classify as the 'spirit' of the book and not a literal point. For 
me, POA was about a 'boy becoming a man', like Cuaron said in 
interviews. But it's also about this *particular* boy, with no past, 
or at least not one he knew of for 11 years, and a very cloudy 
future. Harry finds the power within himself, but the struggle to 
get there was minimized in the movie. He is very conflicted about 
leaving his past behind, the one he learned of so recently, and 
moving forward. The Dementors are like the rock Sisyphus pushes up 
the hill, over & over into eternity--when will it end? Will I always 
be stuck between my yearning for a real home & family and this 
desire to discover my destiny?

That's my particular gripe, a very personal one really. Something I 
wouldn't expect everyone to agree with. But that's what POA meant to 
me.

waynegregory:
But in the end J.K.Rowling has said herself "it's my 
> favourite Harry Potter film so far". Surely if she has given it 
the 
> thumbs up, then she doesnt mind that parts are missing!

Jen: She also takes great pains to separate herself and her story 
from the film--"that is Cuaron's baby; it's not mine". She is able 
to accept and like his interpretation, even if it's not exactly her 
own. That's how I felt about it--it was a *good* movie in my book, 
period. It's wasn't *my* interpretation of POA, though, and since I 
will never make a film in this lifetime, there's not much I can do 
about that part!






From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 03:32:16 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:32:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <ca3bfp+o6q1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040608033216.75767.qmail@web86405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Thanks for your comments. I feel important parts were missed too. I felt the Firebolt incident should have been portrayed, as this showed Hermione's struggle when falling out with Ron. They should have shown alot of things and I agree it seems that he had only read the main parts of the story. But the film looks beautiful and brings a sense of realism to the world of magic, which was not found in the first two. You could tell they were fantasy. I just hope people will see it again and come round to the idea that the films have to grow up with Harry too!

Jen Reese <stevejjen at earthlink.net> wrote:waynegregory:
> As for ignoring me I hope they don't! I hope they argue why the 
film 
> was bad because most of the reasons I have heard at the moment are 
> absured, eg Dumbledore having a manicure!

Jen: I definitely won't argue the movie was bad, because I 
thoroughly enjoyed many of the scenes, the humor, & the raw energy 
of the cast. Cuaron has a gift--that part is clear.

There was an important piece missing for me though, something I 
classify as the 'spirit' of the book and not a literal point. For 
me, POA was about a 'boy becoming a man', like Cuaron said in 
interviews. But it's also about this *particular* boy, with no past, 
or at least not one he knew of for 11 years, and a very cloudy 
future. Harry finds the power within himself, but the struggle to 
get there was minimized in the movie. He is very conflicted about 
leaving his past behind, the one he learned of so recently, and 
moving forward. The Dementors are like the rock Sisyphus pushes up 
the hill, over & over into eternity--when will it end? Will I always 
be stuck between my yearning for a real home & family and this 
desire to discover my destiny?

That's my particular gripe, a very personal one really. Something I 
wouldn't expect everyone to agree with. But that's what POA meant to 
me.

waynegregory:
But in the end J.K.Rowling has said herself "it's my 
> favourite Harry Potter film so far". Surely if she has given it 
the 
> thumbs up, then she doesnt mind that parts are missing!

Jen: She also takes great pains to separate herself and her story 
from the film--"that is Cuaron's baby; it's not mine". She is able 
to accept and like his interpretation, even if it's not exactly her 
own. That's how I felt about it--it was a *good* movie in my book, 
period. It's wasn't *my* interpretation of POA, though, and since I 
will never make a film in this lifetime, there's not much I can do 
about that part!






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From o_caipora at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 03:54:23 2004
From: o_caipora at yahoo.com (o_caipora)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:54:23 -0000
Subject: question on British funeral practices
In-Reply-To: <ca2mq4+oggr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca3d9f+l6af@eGroups.com>

In  "Sternel" <starling823 at y...>  wrote:
> > 
> For a start, 'wake' is a term which would only be used by people of 
> Irish descent. It's an Irish tradition, not an English, Welsh or 
> Scottish one. 

I don't think it's an Irish vs English thing, but rather a Catholic 
vs. Protestant one. 

Wakes are always done where I'm from (Brazil) and the Irish are not a 
large ethnic group here. Whether witches tend towards Catholic or 
Protestant would go back to Henry VIII, and Rowling has always been 
vague on religion. 

I think you get your pick. It might be fun to justify either choice.
 
  - Caipora 




From hgranger919 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 03:35:05 2004
From: hgranger919 at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
Message-ID: <20040608033505.88252.qmail@web51809.mail.yahoo.com>

Amanda wrote:
> On the contrary, clear English is a requirement for this list and all the
> HPFGU lists. We are a diverse community from many different countries and
> cultures, and taking the extra few minutes to make sure that your post is
> clear and correct can make all the difference in how it is received. For
> instance, had the original post been composed of clear sentences and
> complete points, I might have received waynegregory's message as less of a
> tirade and more of a serious observation.
>
> All we have on these lists is our words and how they are chosen and framed.
> Care in the handling of those words is always indicated; they represent us.
>
> This is enough now; please contact me offlist if you have further comment.


I've been reading this list for years, and have seen many typos and misspellings. Not all list contributors are gifted writers, as you are, 
Amanda. 
 
Suzanne






From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 04:19:28 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:19:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mrs Norris
In-Reply-To: <ca37ma+negu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040608041928.13093.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com>


--- waynegregory23 <waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> How come this is the only animal which has a title?
> Could it be that Argus Filch, in all his suibdom,
> had an accident 
> which turned someone he knew into the cat we now
> know? Or even 
> someone else as a prank? Is this why Filch has those
> books in his 
> office about @how to learn magic'? 
> What do think?

Actually, and interestingly enough, there is another
animal with a title. Mr. Tibbles, belonging to
Arabella Figg...another squib with the same initials
as Argus Filch. It makes me wonder if there isn't some
weird connection between the two of them or between
squibs and cats in general...

~Katie


	
		
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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 04:21:49 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:21:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mrs Norris
In-Reply-To: <20040608041928.13093.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040608042149.9082.qmail@web86402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Thank you! I couldn't remember whether there was one, but there must be a connection! 

Kathryn Wolber <katydid3500 at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- waynegregory23 wrote:
> How come this is the only animal which has a title?
> Could it be that Argus Filch, in all his suibdom,
> had an accident 
> which turned someone he knew into the cat we now
> know? Or even 
> someone else as a prank? Is this why Filch has those
> books in his 
> office about @how to learn magic'? 
> What do think?

Actually, and interestingly enough, there is another
animal with a title. Mr. Tibbles, belonging to
Arabella Figg...another squib with the same initials
as Argus Filch. It makes me wonder if there isn't some
weird connection between the two of them or between
squibs and cats in general...

~Katie




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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 04:23:39 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:23:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: POA, gripe towards the so-called fans!
In-Reply-To: <20040608033505.88252.qmail@web51809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040608042339.9547.qmail@web86402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I am not sure what intent was behind your comment. I hope that it was a possitive one. If so, thank you very much.

Suzanne Chiles <hgranger919 at yahoo.com> wrote:Amanda wrote:
> On the contrary, clear English is a requirement for this list and all the
> HPFGU lists. We are a diverse community from many different countries and
> cultures, and taking the extra few minutes to make sure that your post is
> clear and correct can make all the difference in how it is received. For
> instance, had the original post been composed of clear sentences and
> complete points, I might have received waynegregory's message as less of a
> tirade and more of a serious observation.
>
> All we have on these lists is our words and how they are chosen and framed.
> Care in the handling of those words is always indicated; they represent us.
>
> This is enough now; please contact me offlist if you have further comment.


I've been reading this list for years, and have seen many typos and misspellings. Not all list contributors are gifted writers, as you are, 
Amanda. 

Suzanne






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From jpbooks at idirect.com  Tue Jun  8 04:45:46 2004
From: jpbooks at idirect.com (ne4lock)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:45:46 -0000
Subject: POA Spoilers (Long & might tick a few ppl off but that's life!)
In-Reply-To: <40C2D4BA.13183.ED515@localhost>
Message-ID: <ca3g9q+3ppg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
> On 5 Jun 2004 at 19:58, Kaisenji wrote:
> 
> > Believe it or not I have a sympathetic ear, its just a bit red 
now from all the same old same babblity-blah!  Believe me I had my 
gripes in the beginning of the film! It took me nearly 45 mins to 
really get into it. I'm going again tonight ...

--------------------------------------------------------------

I've gone twice and probabbly 4 or more times. This excessive 
viewing is do to the fact that I work with kids groups, and each 20 
kid group needs 4 helpers, so... Ah well, they pay for the tickets. 

Second time round I decided to think of this film as a SFXman meets 
Potterverse and I began to enjoy it a great deal more.

POA reminded me of the first SPY KIDS film, everything blows up real 
good, so who needs to have a plausible plot and if it doesn't lead 
into the next film or the series as whole, again who cares. SFX 
rules.













From mcdee1980 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 06:05:31 2004
From: mcdee1980 at yahoo.com (mcdee1980)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 06:05:31 -0000
Subject: Jewelry
Message-ID: <ca3kvb+slqs@eGroups.com>

NOTE TO READERS THIS IS A VERY LONG POST!!

Okay, you asked, so here's some easy jewelry ideas.
Tools needed:
1.) Good kitchen sheers or wire cutters
2.) needle nose pliers

Once you've determined that you have the tools necessary take a field 
trip to your local bead shop, craft store, or walmart. Beads and 
charms can also be purchased pretty easily on ebay, but you don't get 
to hold what you're buying in your hot little hand!

Basics:

1.)  Memory wire: makes rings, wine charms, bracelets and chokers.  I 
love this stuff because it's very easy to work with and holds a 
definite shape.  I would start here, although I remember beading on 
fishing line as a kid.  This is what you need wire cutters for, 
memory wire is not fine.  (10 loops of necklace size is about $2.50)

2.)   Small Gauge wire or fishing line will make necklaces, 
bookmarks, earings etc etc etc (a little cheeper than memory wire)

3.)   Jewelry basics:

       Jump rings: small rings that allow you to attach charms (so 
that they face the right direction), function like tiny key chain 
loops (about .10)
       French wires: for making dangle earings, resemble fishing 
hooks (about .20 each)
       clasps: If you are not using memory wire you need clasps for 
bracelets or necklaces.  I like the variety that twist open rather 
than a claw or circular, there's never the frustration of not being 
able to work them. (depends on type range from .10 to .50)
       Memory wire balls: Optional! these attach to the end of the 
wire to provide a finished look, I generally just fold the wire over 
with my pliers. (I think these are about .25 but I'm not sure I don't 
use them)
Remember to match metal tones: if you are using silver/pewter charms 
buy silver toned hardware, etc etc

4.)    Beads and Charms

       This is the fun part.  I suggest trying a variety of sizes and 
shapes and colors all on one piece.  Remember when you're shopping 
that quality is going to matter here; you're not going to want to go 
out wearing something that looks like your 5 year old made.  

Seed beads: a beading basic, tiny round beads. These come in a 
variety of small sizes, I like to mix them in pattern ie four tiny 
four small four tiny I think the translucent variety look better than 
the opaque, think love beads
Bugles: long tiny beads, think stretched out seed beads
Working in patterns with these two varieties makes your work look 
complicated and store bought (even though its really easy).  They are 
also relatively inexpensive.  I add larger more expensive beads as 
accent.

The most inexpensive charms are pewter or silver/gold tone.  You can 
find almost anything, as charm bracelets made a recent comeback. 
spacer beads can also be purchased in those metals  I found a 
fantastic jointed snake and a great chinese inspired dragon.  I just 
finished the snake piece . . . its a memory wire choker and is 
patterned as follows
snake in middle on jump ring
(pattern is the same on either side)
1 large dark green translucent bead
7 lime green tiny seeds
1 extra large olive green bugle
4 small round kelly greens
7 lime green seeds
4 sm round kellys
and so on repeating the 4-7-4-7 pattern
This is my Slytherine inspired piece . . . I think it cost me less 
than $10 to make.  The snake cost me a dollar that was the splurge!  
I'm working on finding a raven charm for a friend of mine.  
Notes:
Find a clear space to work and I suggest using small containers to 
seperate your beads
Work on white typing paper or table cloth . . . easy to find things 
you've dropped
Be careful working with scissors or wire cutters, if you're working 
on a project with kids, don't let them cut their own materials-wire 
snaps in an unpredictable fashion.
Use pliers to bend memory wire edges under with the sharp edge 
pointing out away from your neck.  This is a bit difficult and takes 
some patience, wire will snap if not done carefully!
If you are using fishingline cement knots with some superglue 
carefully!
Have fun!




From bd-bear at verizon.net  Tue Jun  8 05:35:30 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:35:30 -0000
Subject: HP Candy
Message-ID: <ca3j72+hn3e@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone, I was just wondering if anyone has actually been brave 
enough to eat the Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Beans. I used to love 
Jelly Belly beans, but these are just too un-candy-like for me! I 
tasted Spaghetti and had to spit it out! My husband was braver, I 
gave him Sardine (he hated), black pepper, and dirt, in addition to 
lemon drop, blueberry and grape jelly. I couldn't do it though! But 
hey, at least I ~feel~ like I'm part of Harry's world. I have the 
Bertie Bott's packaging anyway!

Barbara
aka bd-bear





From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 08:43:24 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:43:24 -0000
Subject: Most Frightening Thing  (was Re: A Grouchy
In-Reply-To: <ca25sf+bhke@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca3u7c+jpjk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> <snip>
> However, I have always been a bit 
> suspicious of Lupin's explanation to Harry anyway.  A worst fear is 
> a worst fear, so all the other class members had already seen 
> something *more* terrifying for them than Voldemort.  

That's not logically sound, David. People can't fear something they 
had never met or imagined. None of the other children had ever 
encountered Voldemort - so they don't know that he is more scary than 
banshies, eyeballs or giant spiders. Had he materialized in class, 
they may very well have found a worse worst fear.


Naama






From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Tue Jun  8 13:30:07 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:30:07 +0100
Subject: Lemony Snicket's adult books (SPOILERS)
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15B4BC32@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Lemony Snicket may have done it again. Mr Sniket's written an adult
book, "The Basic Eight". For his real name you'll have to Google the
title, since I'm still disappointed that he's let us behind the Snicket
persona. Is it his name? Suppose "The Basic Eight" is another book in
the series, but disguised as an adult book. However, before we follow
our Daniel into the lion's den, let's recap some facts from "The Basic
Eight". It's an adult book; children couldn't handler the sex, violence,
drugs, etc in the book. Even the cover art is enough to stop you for a
moment:
http://www.alisonandbusby.com/books/bookCover.asp?ISBN=0749005920. Then
I noticed weirdness creeping in. Remember in the Series of Unfortunate
Events (SoUE) when Snicket repeatedly pokes fun at Virginia Woolf?
There's the Virginia Wolfsnake in Uncle Monty's reptile collection
which, we are told, must not be let near a typewriter. There are Mrs
Dalloway references in "The Hostile Hospital", along with a reference to
"Orlando". Now, on the first page of "The Basic Eight" we're told by the
narrator / diarist / main character that "I am a woman with a room of
her own, just like what's-her-name". Then, when she wanders off to Death
Before Decaf for a date she takes Jerome D. Salinger's "Nine Stories"
and sits down to read the one entitled "For Esme with Love and Squalor".
I've picked through "The Basic Eight" trying to find more clues, codes,
and references. Some bits are tantalizing, the narrator's name "Flannery
Culp" seems too contrived to be true, then there's the character
referred to as V___, surely a reference to V.F.D. But I cannot find
codes, yet.
After all that, I don't think it's that good a book. It's gripping, but
the surprise ending that it builds up to and turns out to be the whole
purpose of the ending, and is way too obvious. It also lacks most of
what makes SoUE great.
Has anyone tried his other adult book "Watch Your Mouth"? It's billed as
"the best incest comedy you'll read all year".

Cheers,

Dumbledad.



From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Tue Jun  8 14:19:52 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:19:52 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lemony Snicket's adult books (SPOILERS)
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15B4BC7A@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,
 
The folks at http://www.quidditch.com/lemony%20snicket.htm have just
pointed out another cross-reference to me (reported to them by Captain
Colossal). The wet paper towels on the ceiling are from The Basic Eight
and The Hostile Hospital.
 
Cheers,
 
Dumbledad.
 
PS My link had a full-stop at the end. Try http://tinyurl.com/3h8ql for
the adult cover.


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From julie_balfour at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 16:09:20 2004
From: julie_balfour at hotmail.com (Boolean)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:09:20 -0000
Subject: question on British funeral practices
In-Reply-To: <ca2mq4+oggr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca4obg+qmgh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
 
> After the funeral, there will be a reception of some kind. This 
will 
> be either held at a relative's house, and be for close family and 
> friends, or at a large room in a pub, and be for everyone. The pub 
> kind is usually more boisterous - the ones at home *sometimes* 
more 
> genteel. For some reason, there always seem to be pork pies. 
Alcohol 
> will be served.

This reminds me of that Victoria Wood bit where she's talking about 
funerals and says something along the lines of how differently we 
react to death - in some cultures, for instance, a wife might throw 
herself sobbing onto the coffin when her beloved husband dies, in 
Britain she'll drag herself into the kitchen and say '42 baps, 
Connie. You slice I'll spread.'

I think that sums it up quite nicely!




From Agent_Maxine_is at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 20:02:05 2004
From: Agent_Maxine_is at hotmail.com (Brenda)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:02:05 -0000
Subject: How I Became Hooked to HP
Message-ID: <ca55vt+pm27@eGroups.com>

Hi, my name is Brenda and I just wanted to share my start of HP-
obssession with you guys (this was originally a reply for a post..)

> I knew ABSOLUTELY nothing about HArry Potter until I saw the 
> preview/trailer of "America's Sweethearts" (starring Catherine Zeta-
> Jones, Julia Roberts and John Cusack, do you remember that?).. One 
of 
> the scene from the TV trailer: Kiki (Julia) was arguing with her 
> famous celebrity sister Gwen (played by Cath Zeta) "You've never 
even 
> read a novel in your life!"  and her sister responds, in 
> disbelief/disgust, "I HAVE! Harry Potter!"
> 
> and although I didn't remember specifically WHAT HArry Potter 
exactly 
> was (what a laughing matter, now that i think about it) I knew that 
I 
> had heard of it somewhere, though couldn't remember where/how.  And 
> then I saw my friend reading one, but didn't find it interesting.  
> Then I came to university, living in residence, and saw quite a few 
> people reading the series.  I was turned off by all the buzz, 
> dismissed it saying "I'm not into witchcraft CRAP", but at the same 
> time asking around, 'so what's the story of HP anyways?' and 
> downloaded the first 2 movies using HIGH-speed res-net connection 
> (this was my defence - how can you EVER refuse +1MB/s ?!?!).  Then 
my 
> other friend very highly recommended it, telling me that she used 
to 
> hold the exact same view, that the books are soo imaginative, and 
> that CostCo has the paperback versions for REALLY cheap.  So i 
bought 
> it, and then haven't been able to let go ever since.
> 
> Sorry, that was a long rant.
> 
> Brenda







From losangelis at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 20:37:49 2004
From: losangelis at yahoo.com (LosAngelis)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:37:49 -0000
Subject: Beta-Tester for online HP quizzes!!!!
Message-ID: <ca582t+7m09@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone!

I was wondering if I could find some very knowledgable HP fans to test
some online quizzes for me.  I am teaching a Harry Potter summer
school class next week and am going to be having students taking these
quizzes.

I know some of you looked at them for me last year, but all my quizzes
got moved to a new server and everything got messed up.

If you wouldn't mind taking some quizzes for me and providing me with
feedback (the choices were double posted, this was right for the movie
but wrong for the book...etc.), please email me directly at
losangelis at yahoo.com and I will email you a username and password to
log onto the site.

Thanks in advance,

Wiley




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 22:04:47 2004
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:04:47 -0000
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca33da+8alf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca5d5v+eoos@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
> wrote:
> > > Pippin:
> > > ... the crystal ball connection appears  when Lupin's face shows
> > > up in Trelawney's crystal and says  "Harry Potter" in a 
> > > gratifyingly menacing tone. 


> > Jen: I read on the movie list that Sirius was the face in the 
> > crystal ball, but Pippin says it was Lupin's face. ...

 
> Annemehr:
> I couldn't really tell whose face it was, it was so distorted, but 
> it certainly sounded to me just like the way Voldemort said "Harry 
> Potter" from the back of Quirrell's head in the first movie.


bboy_mn:

I saw the movie twice in one weekend, and I'm convinced the face in
the crystal ball was Sirius Black mouthing the words 'Harry Potter'.

It was distorted, and I wasn't sure the first time, so I paid close
attention the second time, and I'm sure I saw Sirius.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn







From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 02:24:01 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:24:01 -0000
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca5d5v+eoos@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca5sc1+6ko2@eGroups.com>

Its Sirius Black's face (IMO).  And that tone is rather dark and
forboding, isn't it? Why? Why try and scare the kid like that? What's
it mean? Frankly, how did Black FIND Harry in Trelawney's office? It's
like he is communicating through the fireplace, you know in OotP, but
this time its a crystal ball.  Hm.
I don't think its Lupin's since Lupin's nose is a bit larger than
Black's.  Gonna go see it again either tomorrow or Thurs so I'll look
again.
Kai

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...>
wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > Pippin:
> > > > ... the crystal ball connection appears  when Lupin's face shows
> > > > up in Trelawney's crystal and says  "Harry Potter" in a 
> > > > gratifyingly menacing tone. 
> 
> 
> > > Jen: I read on the movie list that Sirius was the face in the 
> > > crystal ball, but Pippin says it was Lupin's face. ...
> 
>  
> > Annemehr:
> > I couldn't really tell whose face it was, it was so distorted, but 
> > it certainly sounded to me just like the way Voldemort said "Harry 
> > Potter" from the back of Quirrell's head in the first movie.
> 
> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> I saw the movie twice in one weekend, and I'm convinced the face in
> the crystal ball was Sirius Black mouthing the words 'Harry Potter'.
> 
> It was distorted, and I wasn't sure the first time, so I paid close
> attention the second time, and I'm sure I saw Sirius.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> bboy_mn




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 03:03:47 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:03:47 -0000
Subject: HP Candy
In-Reply-To: <ca3j72+hn3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca5umj+2dqo@eGroups.com>

I love BBEFB!
I've had buttered popcorn, cherry, grape and bubblegum.  I've also had
dirt, bogger, vomit, pepper, spinach and a few other nasties.
I've also had unicorn droppings and I wanna try the chocolate frogs
and pepper imps, ice mice and the others that are out.
Kai
*who was very stupid to try vomit w/o asking "what are these?" first*

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Barbara" <bd-bear at v...> wrote:
> Hi everyone, I was just wondering if anyone has actually been brave 
> enough to eat the Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Beans. I used to love 
> Jelly Belly beans, but these are just too un-candy-like for me! I 
> tasted Spaghetti and had to spit it out! My husband was braver, I 
> gave him Sardine (he hated), black pepper, and dirt, in addition to 
> lemon drop, blueberry and grape jelly. I couldn't do it though! But 
> hey, at least I ~feel~ like I'm part of Harry's world. I have the 
> Bertie Bott's packaging anyway!
> 
> Barbara
> aka bd-bear




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 03:20:22 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:20:22 -0000
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca5sc1+6ko2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca5vlm+okgc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...> wrote:
> Its Sirius Black's face (IMO).  And that tone is rather dark and
> forboding, isn't it? Why? Why try and scare the kid like that? What's
> it mean? Frankly, how did Black FIND Harry in Trelawney's office? It's
> like he is communicating through the fireplace, you know in OotP, but
> this time its a crystal ball.  Hm.
> I don't think its Lupin's since Lupin's nose is a bit larger than
> Black's.  Gonna go see it again either tomorrow or Thurs so I'll look
> again.
> Kai

Annemehr:
I can believe Cuaron meant to put Black's face there, and like you, I
can't imagine why.

Do I understand you to say that Sirius purposely communicated through
the crystal ball? I thought crystal balls just showed images of things
from the future? 

But you're right -- if it is Black, in a crystal ball, there is no
reason for him, or his image (whichever) to be threatening Harry. It
just seems like a bit of sloppy atmosphere-creation to me. It's not
even like Sirius ever did say "Haaarrrry Potterrrrr" like that, did
he? Does Cuaron mean that Harry was projecting his own fears into the
ball, and not "seeing" at all? Not to mention, canon-Harry's never
seen anything but fog in a crystal ball. ;)

Have fun at the movie. I'll be at it again soon, too -- I hope
sometime this weekend!

Annemehr
who has a whole list of things to notice next time, but will probably
be always looking at the characters' faces as usual, instead




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 03:56:57 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:56:57 -0000
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca5vlm+okgc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca61q9+1jj0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> But you're right -- if it is Black, in a crystal ball, there is no
> reason for him, or his image (whichever) to be threatening Harry. It
> just seems like a bit of sloppy atmosphere-creation to me. It's not
> even like Sirius ever did say "Haaarrrry Potterrrrr" like that, did
> he? Does Cuaron mean that Harry was projecting his own fears into the
> ball, and not "seeing" at all? Not to mention, canon-Harry's never
> seen anything but fog in a crystal ball. ;)
--------------------------------------------
Of course...these crystal balls belong to the one and only Trelawney
and I wouldn't put it past the old biddle to have projected some of
her always negative vibe into say that particular one (which just
happened to be on Ron/Harry/Hermonie's table.  Hm.  Wouldn't put it
past her at all. (My poor dear! A load of rubbish)
Secondly, the smoking incenser in the background could contain a mild
hallucengenic (like mugwort or bay both long used in oracles/dream
work).  Once away from friends and skectic vibes, Harry who does have
Voldie's handy work on his forehead could have laten seer abilities,
project his own fear into the crystal maybe causing Black to appear
all evil like.  Remember in the book the smoke in the room affected
Harry a great deal.  Ten to one says the old biddle had some "special"
incense in there to influence/enhance the kid's abilities.  The old fraud.

Kai
p.s.-can you tell I've put WAY more thought into this than necessary?




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 04:11:08 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:11:08 -0000
Subject: In addition too-Re: Jewelry
In-Reply-To: <ca3kvb+slqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca62ks+lu9t@eGroups.com>

Just to add to what mcdee has gifted us with-you can also make jewelry
out of baking clay which is extremely easy to make.  Once it is baked,
it can be painted in a zillion colors and even made to look like real
beads and what not. I remember making figures for the x-mas
tree...then trying to eat that very salty dough.
Kai (see below for recipes)

Baking Clay #1  
Ingredients: 
1 part salt 
2 parts flour 
1 part water 

 Method:
Mix and knead all the ingredients for about 2 minutes. Mold the clay
into creations. Place them on a foil-covered cookie sheet, prick
larger areas with a fork. Bake at 275 degrees Farenheit (140 degrees
Celcius) for about 1 hour or until golden and hard. Cool and paint.
Preserve by spraying with clear varnish. 
 
Baking Clay #2  
Ingredients: 
2 cups plain flour 
1 cup salt 
1 to 1 1/2 cups cold water 
2 tbs. cooking oil 

 Method:
Mix and knead all the ingredients for about 2 minutes. Mold the clay
into creations. Place them on a foil-covered cookie sheet, prick
larger areas with a fork. Bake at 300 degrees Farenheit (150 degrees
Celcius) for about 1 hour or until golden and hard. Cool and paint.
Preserve by spraying with clear varnish. 
 





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 10:47:33 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:47:33 -0000
Subject: question on British funeral practices
In-Reply-To: <ca3d9f+l6af@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca6ps5+jgv5@eGroups.com>


Pip!Squeak wrote:
> > > 
> > For a start, 'wake' is a term which would only be used by people 
> > of Irish descent. It's an Irish tradition, not an English, Welsh 
> > or Scottish one. 

  Caipora wrote:

> I don't think it's an Irish vs English thing, but rather a 
> Catholic vs. Protestant one. 
> 
> Wakes are always done where I'm from (Brazil) and the Irish are 
> not a large ethnic group here. Whether witches tend towards 
> Catholic or Protestant would go back to Henry VIII, and Rowling 
> has always been vague on religion. 
> 
> I think you get your pick. It might be fun to justify either 
choice.
>  
>   -

Ah, no. The point is not what is *done*. The point is the English, 
Scottish and Welsh would never call the things they do around a 
death a 'wake'.

It's quite possible for an English Catholic (some did survive Henry 
VIII {g}) to have a funeral with a vigil by the coffin (probably in 
church), followed by full sung mass, followed by a party after the 
burial which gets pretty lively. They wouldn't *call* any of that 
a 'wake', though. 

It's a language thing. 'Wake' in British (and Irish!) English 
means 'traditional Irish funeral'. In American English it seems to 
mean either the vigil or the party, I'm not quite sure. But in a 
British WW set fanfic, it would be the use of the *word* 'wake' for 
anything other than a traditional-style Irish funeral that would 
sound odd. 

Pip!Squeak




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 10:54:28 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:54:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
Message-ID: <20040609105428.35404.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>


9June04

  "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...>  wrote:



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"Of course...these crystal balls belong to the one and only Trelawney and I wouldn't put it past the old biddle to have projected some of her always negative vibe into say that particular one (which just happened to be on Ron/Harry/Hermonie's table.... 
Secondly, the smoking incenser in the background could contain a mild hallucengenic (like mugwort or bay both long used in oracles/dream work)....  Ten to one says the old biddle had some "special" incense in there to influence/enhance the kid's abilities. The old fraud."

Paula now:

Humm... Why are you so hard on poor Trelawney?  We all know that she's a "fraud", but negative?  I've alway seen her as justifiably paranoid.  We know from DD's own mouth that she came from a family of Seers.  This fact has undoubtly put untold pressure on her head all her life--knowing that she didn't have the ability.  DD mentioned that he was aware of the fact that she had no ability, but still gave her a position at Hogwarts.  Trelawney is no dummy, and is probably quite aware of the fact that she's there by DD's good graces rather than her own merits.  So, IMHO "enhancing" the atmosphere wouldn't be so fraudelent or negative as just simple guilt and lack of confidence.

~Paula




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From silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 11:56:38 2004
From: silverthorne.dragon at verizon.net (Silverthorne)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 6:56:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: question on British funeral practices
Message-ID: <20040609115638.SBHS3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

bluesqueak:

It's a language thing. 'Wake' in British (and Irish!) English 
means 'traditional Irish funeral'. In American English it seems to 
mean either the vigil or the party, I'm not quite sure. But in a 
British WW set fanfic, it would be the use of the *word* 'wake' for 
anything other than a traditional-style Irish funeral that would 
sound odd. 


Silverthorne:

Have to agree with Pipsqueak here--like much of the English language, once the word got over 'here', it got a bit corrupted, I think--mostly because in America, people often 'borrow' traditions from just about any culture, regardless of their own ethnic backround--we've probably had more Non-Irish 'wakes' than the Irish have had traditional ones...lol.

And, for our friends across the pond--the way I understand 'Wake' (in the American way, that is--the Irish version I suspect is MUCH different)...it's usually typified by a funeral (the viewing, church service and graveside service) that focus more on the 'good' times--people are encouraged to share stories, laugh about things that had happened between them and the deceased, and, yes, celebrate and throw a party best they can after the graveside service (as opposed to sitting in the church or at the deceased house and mourning...). 

Most people that I know (including myself) that have asked for a wake style funeral in their wills include things such as 'play my favorite music, try and have fun, and enjoy yourselves as much as you can'. Bascially, we're trying to ask that our loved ones don't feel miserable, but rather focus on the happy things--and to remember that it's all right (normal, part of the cycle, etc...) that we've gone...

Yeah, twisted, I know. ^^. Then again, I think that's normal for folks over here...lol. Twisted, weird and repressed compared to most of the rest of the world.

But hey, gotta love it anyway..;)

Anne/Silverthorne 
(Who, oddly enough, is Irish on Mom's side, Scottish on Dad's, and not much else....lol)


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From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Wed Jun  9 12:25:49 2004
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:25:49 -0000
Subject: HP Candy
In-Reply-To: <ca5umj+2dqo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca6vkd+bob5@eGroups.com>

Kai:
> I love BBEFB!
> I've had buttered popcorn, cherry, grape and bubblegum.  I've also 
had dirt, bogger, vomit, pepper, spinach and a few other nasties.
> I've also had unicorn droppings and I wanna try the chocolate frogs
> and pepper imps, ice mice and the others that are out.
> Kai
> *who was very stupid to try vomit w/o asking "what are these?" 
first*


Tcy:
Unicorn droppings?  Haven't seen that one.  We just purchased another 
bag of BBEFB.  This time with the new flavors of spagetti, earthworm 
and soap added.  I've tried them all...they're nasty!  Though, the 
grass and dirt are so accurate they're worth it.  The vomit and 
sardine are, by far, the worst...I couldn't even keep them in my 
mouth.  The rest of the questionable flavors (including earwax, black 
pepper, booger, spinach...) are pretty bad - but not so bad that they 
hurt.

On the same candy rack, we also saw and purchased Jelly Slugs (much 
like 'Dots' in flavor and texture - they stick to your teeth), Ice 
Mice (like a berry flavored Jolly Rancher with a sugar mouse in the 
center) and Fizzing Whizbees (like orange, rasberry and strawberry 
flavored Pop Rocks).

Overall, very enjoyable for me, hubby and our 2 kids. 

Tcy (always looking for ways to stay young at heart) 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jun  9 13:19:30 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:19:30 -0000
Subject: Trelawney's negativity (Which Face Did Harry See?)
In-Reply-To: <20040609105428.35404.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ca72p2+kk8s@eGroups.com>

Paula wrote:

> Humm... Why are you so hard on poor Trelawney?  We all know that 
she's a "fraud", but negative?  

I think it is true that Trelawney's fortune-telling is consistently 
negative.  That's particularly the case with Harry, but Neville is 
told not to be sure his grandmother is well and that he will break a 
cup, Lavender about 'that thing you are dreading', the class that 
one of their number will leave for ever, and so on.  She also 
mutters dark forebodings about Lupin, is ghoulish about thirteen at 
the table, and McGonagall testifies that she always predicts a death 
(which has never yet ocurred).  The only non-negative instances I 
can think of are those that are blatantly self-serving, such as the 
prediction that their exam will concern the orb, or that she sees 
herself dining at the Christmas table, and these are hardly 
positive, just neutral.  She refuses to believe Harry's positive 
prediction about Buckbeak, urging him to look for a negative outcome.

Quite why this should be, I'm not sure.  In POA it fits with the 
themes of fear and depression represented by the Boggart and 
Dementors; in terms of internal characterisation it may perhaps 
suggest that a lifetime of deception does not lead to happiness, and 
that an unhappy person will unconsciously produce gloomy predictions.

Should this go to the main list?

David




From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 13:26:29 2004
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:26:29 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday to Sheryll, the Birthday Elf!
Message-ID: <ca7365+brph@eGroups.com>

Poppy Elf sneaks into the Birthday Elf's store closet, pulls out 
streamers and confetti and exclaims:

"Happy Birthday, Birthday Elf!"

Yes, today is the birthday of our very own Birthday Elf, Sheryll 
Townsend.  Birthday greetings may be sent care of this list or to the 
birthday honoree directly at:  s_ings @ yahoo.com (without the 
spaces).

Poppy Elf has inside knowledge that Sheryll will be spending part of 
her birthday evening giving an interview to a reporter about 
Convention Alley, the HPfGU-sponsored Potter conference that's being 
held at the end of July in Ottawa 
(http://www.conventionalley.org/ ).  We are grateful for her 
dedication to this conference as well as to the administration of the 
HPfGU lists.

Wishing you a magical day, Sheryll!

~Poppy Elf
(a.k.a. Phyllis)




From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 13:49:57 2004
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:49:57 -0000
Subject: Convention Alley Update and Upcoming Deadlines
Message-ID: <ca74i5+bppt@eGroups.com>

Convention Alley is the very first conference devoted to grown-up
Harry Potter fans to be held in Canada. This HPfGU-sponsored event
will be held at the University of Ottawa in Ottawa, Ontario, from
July 30 to August 1, 2004.

In addition to guest speakers and programming sessions presented by
fans from both the academic and non-academic worlds, the conference
will feature directed discussion groups as well as informal
opportunities for participants to get to know one another and to
enjoy the city of Ottawa. The conference includes a banquet for all
participants to celebrate Harry's birthday on July 31st followed by a
viewing of the new Prisoner of Azkaban movie.

Steve Vander Ark will present the keynote address "The Hidden
Message: It's All About Lee Jordan" at Saturday's birthday banquet.
His address will discuss some of the problems of overanalyzing the
Harry Potter books, and he will offer suggestions on how to
distinguish red herrings from true clues. Steve is the creator and
editor of the Harry Potter Lexicon website, a comprehensive reference
tool on the Potterverse extensively used by both fans and scholars.

Dr. Judith Robertson will present "What Happens to Our Wishes:
Magical Thinking in Harry Potter" at the Sunday luncheon. Her
presentation will focus on the elements in the Harry Potter series
that make these books so vividly compelling to young readers. Dr.
Robertson is an Associate Professor at the University of Ottawa, and
has written over twenty articles and chapters that have appeared in
peer-refereed sites in children's literature, English education,
curriculum theory and teacher education.

The conference will also feature a silent auction to benefit
ALSOcares, a small non-profit community family literacy program in
the Canadian communities of Lowertown/Sandyhill/Vanier. ALSOcares
provides a Reading and Parents Program for families with children
under 6 years of age that is designed to improve literacy for both
the children and their parents. Items to be auctioned include a
quilted wall hanging by Nancy Carstensen and some of the many
gorgeous conference decorations. We are still seeking additional
donations for the auction to benefit this worthy cause. If you are
interested in contributing, please contact the Convention Alley
Planning Committee at: hpottawa @ yahoo.no (without the spaces).

There are also some upcoming deadlines we would like to remind you
about:

(1) The form to reserve a room at the University of Ottawa residence
must be received by the residence by June 30, 2004.
(2) The vendor agreement is also due by June 30, 2004. For more
information on becoming a Convention Alley vendor, please visit:
http://www.conventionalley.org/vendors.html .
(3) The deadline for sponsors to have their advertisement included in
the conference programme is June 30, 2004. For information on
available sponsorships, please visit:
http://www.conventionalley.org/sponsorships.html .

For more information or to register for the conference, please visit:
http://www.conventionalley.org/ .

DISCLAIMERS: This conference is an unofficial event and is not
endorsed or sanctioned by Warner Bros., the Harry Potter book
publishers or J.K. Rowling and her representatives.

This conference also has no affiliation with HP Education Fanon, Inc.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 14:32:18 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:32:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Melody!
Message-ID: <20040609143218.61339.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

*surveys the nicely decorated room, decides a few
fairy lights would look nice and starts rummaging
through boxes*

Nope, I'm not the only one celebrating a birthday
today. I think we'll need more sandwiches and cake if
we're going to keep all of you happy.

Today's other birthday honouree is our very own List
Elf, Melody! Birthday owls can be sent care of this
list or directly to: malady579 at hotmail.com

I hope you're having a magical day, filled goodness,
fun and the company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Melody!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, returning you to the party
while she goes off to watch new DVDs

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  9 17:54:39 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:54:39 -0000
Subject: Which Face Did Harry See? Spoiler(Re: A Grouchy TOP TEN )
In-Reply-To: <ca5sc1+6ko2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca7isv+p5ai@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...> 
wrote:
> Its Sirius Black's face (IMO).  And that tone is rather dark and
> forboding, isn't it? 

Jen: I saw the movie again and agree it was Sirius in the crystal 
ball. The face wasn't clear, and for a moment the cheeks looked 
pudgy, more like Lupin's face, but Sirius would fit in better with 
the story at that moment. We see the face, hear the menacing tone, 
then immediately after Trelawney comes out with her prediction that 
the "one who betrayed his friends at Hogwarts will return...the 
servant will join his master tonight" (paraphrase). Given the 
context, the Sirius visual keeps the 'distraction in plain sight'.




From annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 21:48:15 2004
From: annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk (annelilucas)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:48:15 -0000
Subject: Filibusters
Message-ID: <ca80iv+pefr@eGroups.com>

I just came across a webpage detailing the curses used by Captain
Haddock from Tintin (don't ask!), and was amused to see that one of
them is 'Filibusters'.  (The url is
http://www3.sympatico.ca/brooksdr/haddock/main.htm if anyone's
interested.)

Has anyone found any other places that share words with the Potterverse?

Anneli




From bd-bear at verizon.net  Thu Jun 10 02:14:01 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara D. Poland-Waters)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:14:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP Candy
In-Reply-To: <ca6vkd+bob5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBIELNHHAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>

>>>From: Tracy Hunt [mailto:mphunt at sprintmail.com]

... new flavors of spagetti, earthworm
and soap added.  I've tried them all...they're nasty!<<<

I tried the spaghetti one thinking "how bad could it be" since I love
spaghetti, but it's just so incongruous to have a jelly bean taste like
that, I had to spit it out! That was my one and only attempt at eating those
things!

>>>On the same candy rack, we also saw and purchased Jelly Slugs (much
like 'Dots' in flavor and texture - they stick to your teeth), Ice
Mice (like a berry flavored Jolly Rancher with a sugar mouse in the
center) and Fizzing Whizbees (like orange, rasberry and strawberry
flavored Pop Rocks).<<<

I got Drooble's Best Blowing Gum (flavor doesn't last very long, didn't even
try blowing bubbles), Fizzing Whizbees (don't know why they're like Pop
Rocks, that's nothing like what they're supposed to be in the book--not that
levitating candy is possible, but then maybe they should have put out
something else) and a Chocolate Frog. I was most disappointed in the
Chocolate Frog. First of all, it was tiny. Second, it wasn't even solid
chocolate, but had krispies, and it wasn't that good. And I was really
hoping/expecting for the cards to have the actors on them. Don't know if
they couldn't get the rights to their images or what, but I really wanted
Dumbledore! But all the wizards listed on the back of the package are ones
we haven't seen in the movies, and sure enough, they are
cartoons/illustrations! At least they're holographic so they have ~some~
coolness to them!

Barbara
bd-bear





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Jun 10 04:48:00 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:48:00 +1000
Subject: POA, First Impressions
In-Reply-To: <ca8oan+1fav@eGroups.com>
References: <ca8hkc+u7ov@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40C874A0.20481.52DF1B@localhost>

I'm just home from having seen 'Prisoner of Azkaban' which 
opened in Australia today. I'm just going to put some of my 
impressions down.

First of all, let me say that I did enjoy the film. I think 
it was an excellent piece of work by all concerned. Better 
than the first two? Not sure yet - I don't want to make a 
judgment based on only one viewing when I've seen the other 
two multiple times.

I was glad to see that a few of the changes made in this 
film weren't anywhere near as noticeable as I feared they 
would be based on still shots and previews I'd seen 
previously - in particular, the uniforms and the appearance 
of the classrooms.

Let me make it quite clear that I think the uniforms in this 
film are much closer to how I originally visualized Hogwarts 
robes, than those that appeared in the previous two films. 
On that level, I think they are an improvement. What 
concerned me though, when I first saw them, was that this is 
the third film of a series - and changing the uniform has 
continuity implications - I hope to eventually be able to 
watch seven films together as a series - and for that to 
happen, there needs to be as much consistency as possible.

Fortunately the changes weren't as noticeable as I feared 
when I first saw still images. So that concern has been 
greatly alleviated.

Same when it comes to the school - with the exception of 
that pendulum (and the bridge) Hogwarts still seemed close 
enough to what we saw in the first two films that I could 
easily accept that we were simply seeing different parts of 
the same school. The bridge isn't too much of a concern 
either in that regard - the pendulum does change things a 
little bit more than I personally would have liked.

The kids not wearing uniforms - this did concern when I 
first heard about it, but as it was, again, not a huge 
concern as it turned out - it came pretty close to the point 
it could have annoyed me but it didn't *quite* cross it.

The film did seem a little rushed at the start - but I'm OK 
with that, I'd rather they cut a bit there and have more 
time for the school.

Overall - great, I'm impressed - but there are a few 
niggling nitpicks.

Things I really liked... Lupin - nothing like I imagined, 
but I prefer the movies version greatly. He just seemed so 
much to me the type of man who could be trusted - and that's 
how Lupin seems to me in the book. But his standout scene 
for me is when he tells Harry off for risking his own safety 
- to me that is such a critical scene, which I was worried 
would be cut - it wasn't, and it was done perfectly. Lupin 
is angry - but he's still obviously caring about Harry - and 
he's saying what he is saying very much for Harry's own good 
- at least as he sees it.

And Snape.

I have issues about Snape. A couple of the things he has 
done quite simply anger me greatly. But for various reasons, 
I find myself *really* wanting to believe the best when it 
comes to Snape. I want to believe that when it really comes 
down to the really important things, Snape *will* do what is 
right - that he will do his duty.

And so the scene where after emerging from the tunnel under 
the whomping willow, and he sees Lupin coming towards the 
children and himself is really one of my favourites. Snape 
placing himself between the children and danger. Shielding 
them with his body - and that is what he is doing. I'm 
hoping JKR had influence in that.



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia


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From esk at europa.com  Thu Jun 10 10:11:13 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:13 -0000
Subject: Jewelry
In-Reply-To: <ca3kvb+slqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca9c41+omk5@eGroups.com>

ANOTHER LONG POST!
I also highly recommend Softflex or Accuflex beading wire (a more 
flexible version of tigertail) for stringing necklaces. You use 
crimp beads to fasten either end to a clasp. The end result has a 
nice drape to it. Most bead stores carry it in one form or another, 
and it's really easy to use (one of the reasons it's very popular 
among beaders).

Materials:
-whatever beads and charms you wish to string
-Spool of Softflex beading wire (or other similar beading wire)
-two crimp beads
-a single strand clasp
-chain-nose pliers
-wire cutters
 
Simply cut a length of the Softflex that's around 3 inches longer 
than the final length of your necklace. Put some tape at one end to 
keep beads from falling off (you can temporarily remove it to make 
changes to that end, then replace it once you're finished). String 
the beads on and add charms until you've got roughly what you want 
the necklace to look like. 
To finish off--while one end is taped--take the other end and string 
on a crimp bead, thread the Softflex through the loop of the clasp 
to attach it, then go back through the crimp bead again, this time 
towards the necklace (if you can fit the Softflex though some of the 
beads next to the crimp bead as well this gives it a better finished 
look). While holding a quarter inch of the tip of the Softflex in 
your fingers, slide the crimp bead as close to the end as you can, 
making the loop through the clasp small, leaving as much extra 
Softflex at the other end of the necklace as possible. Once you're 
happy with the position of the crimp bead use chain-nose pliers to 
flatten the crimp bead thoroughly. Trim the excess Softflex, and 
you've just finished that end. 
For the other end repeat the process of stringing on a crimp bead, 
bringing the Softflex through the loop in the other half of the 
clasp, then back through the crimp bead toward the necklace (and any 
extra beads that you can). This time pull the end of the Softflex 
until it's pulled tightly, so there is no excess space between 
beads. Once this is done to your satisfaction, use the pliers again 
to flatten the crimp bead, thus securing the end. Trim off any 
excess Softflex with wire cutters and you're done!

In addition to seed beads, I also like working with Czech Fire-
Polished round faceted beads and Swarovski Crystal faceted beads. 
True, these are more expensive and harder to find, but the finished 
product is very beautiful. 

Making Harry Potter-themed jewelry is a sort of hobby of mine, and 
I've done several necklace and earring sets, particularly with 
Hogwarts houses themes. Although I lean toward Gryffindor, I have 
enough respect for all of the houses to cover them all equally.
One of my favorite necklaces is an amulet purse (a small purse worn 
around the neck) that has a more general Harry Potter theme. It 
started out as merely a vehicle for making use of some special Harry 
Potter licensed pewter charms that I'd been collecting from 
Hallmark. There were 11 charms total, and I wasn't sure how to use 
them as some were too large and unwieldy for a conventional charm 
bracelet. I wove it while waiting for Book 5 to come out, and it 
turned out beautifully. The main comment I get from it is "you could 
make a lot of money for that on E-Bay"! It took enough time and 
work, though, that it won't be showing up there any time soon. ;-)
 
I've spent some time teaching beadworking skills to children, and 
enough of them are Harry Potter fans that I've created patterns with 
a Harry Potter theme that incorporate different beadweaving 
techniques. It makes the effort of learning the techniques seem 
more worthwhile if you've got something unique to show off to your 
friends. If any of you have a basic knowledge of peyote 
and/or brick stitch methods of beadweaving and know how to use a 
pattern, I'd be happy to e-mail you graphs for jewelry with 
whichever Hogwarts house you like. I've created house-themed woven 
bracelets, bookmarks and little house banners that can be strung 
like beads, as well as graphs for necklaces that I still haven't 
finished making yet. 

Eventually I want to put together of web site of patterns and 
pictures of Harry Potter-themed jewelry I've made, but real life far 
too frequently intervenes, and the plan gets put on the back burner. 
In the meantime, if you need help finding on-line sources for charms 
or beads that fit a Harry Potter theme, I'd be happy to help out.

Cindy




From o_caipora at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 13:44:11 2004
From: o_caipora at yahoo.com (o_caipora)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:44:11 -0000
Subject: question on British funeral practices
In-Reply-To: <ca6ps5+jgv5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ca9ojb+83u9@eGroups.com>

> Pip!Squeak wrote:
> 
> Ah, no. The point is not what is *done*. The point is the English, 
> Scottish and Welsh would never call the things they do around a 
> death a 'wake'.
> 
> It's quite possible for an English Catholic (some did survive Henry 
> VIII {g}) to have a funeral with a vigil by the coffin (probably in 
> church), followed by full sung mass, followed by a party after the 
> burial which gets pretty lively. They wouldn't *call* any of that 
> a 'wake', though. 
> 
> It's a language thing. 

Ordinarily I'd drop this, but funerals are so big in the news this 
week that it seems topical. Pity they're burying only Mr. Reagan, 
when there are so many more deserving politicians . . . I have a 
little list.

Pip!Squeak has quite correctly differentiated the vigil, from the 
Mass, from a party or reception following.

As to it being "a language thing", there are two responses. One is 
the old joke about "How many legs does a dog have, if you call the 
tail a leg?" The answer is four: just because you call it a leg 
doesn't make it one. If that response is too vulgar, a more erudite 
one is Samuel Johnson's dicta that "Words are the daughters of Earth, 
and things are the sons of Heaven".  

As a model for fan fiction, two examples come to mind, but both from 
Boston rather than England. One is "The Late George Apley", the novel 
for which John P. Marquand won the Pulitzer. Apley is the very model 
of a "Boston Brahmin", an upper-class WASP. Near the end are Apley's 
instructions for his funeral, and the reception afterwards. IIRC, he 
notes which "pushy" relatives should be seated far back, and that 
cigars and sherry should be provided in the library for the executors 
of his will and a few others. Perhaps a good model to follow if a 
Malfoy is being buried.

The second example is from the film "The Last Hurrah" where the Irish 
mayor uses a policeman's wake as a campaign rally. Someone objects, 
and he points out that the widow (who doesn't know what's going on) 
is happy, she never knew her husband had so many friends.

The book should be available in any library, and the movie is easily 
rented.

On Catholicism and Henry VIII, maintaining the faith under 
persecution required a great deal of secrecy. Rather like being a 
witch or wizard. A staple of Gothic novels is the "priest's hole", a 
secret chamber to hide when the King's men came around. 

Living in secrecy, wizards would have no urgent need to change faith 
to follow the fashions of the time. On the other hand, with a large 
secret to conceal, they might be more concerned than most to be 
outwardly conventional. 

Fiction could go either way. But the real persecution of Catholics 
(or Jews, or Gypsies) might be a good model for any tale of the 
treatment of wizards.

This doesn't even get into ghosts. Is it immediately obvious that 
someone has become a ghost instead of "passing on"? Do you hold a 
Mass for the repose of someone's soul when his ghost is hanging 
around and clearly not reposing? If a ghost finally lets go of this 
world, do you then hold a Mass? And if several hundred years have 
passed, where do you find mourners? 

  - Caipora




From prongs at marauders-map.net  Thu Jun 10 18:21:00 2004
From: prongs at marauders-map.net (Silver Stag)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:21:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
References: <20040602110012.LKMJ29216.out009.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <035d01c44f17$af08d410$0201a8c0@bettysue>

Just took the quiz.   I'm a Hufflepuff, followed by Ravenclaw and then
Gryffindor.
Slytherin was dead last and positively pitiful by the numbers.  I'm
definitely Not a Slytherin, apparently. :) Score was 89 for Hufflepuff, 75
for Ravenclaw, 65 for Gryffindor, and 18 for Slytherin.
Betty





From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 10 18:40:36 2004
From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (Hans)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:40:36 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
Message-ID: <caa9v4+q081@eGroups.com>

I love hearing about how people have found Harry Potter and I've 
enjoyed the stories on the main board. I guess I'd better contribute.

I'd heard of Harry Potter in the news what GOF came out. I remember 
hearing an interview with an adult fan, and the interviewer 
asked, "Harry Potter is a boy?" That was enough. No kids' stories 
for me!

In September 2001 a colleague put the Dutch version of COS on my 
desk and said, "You've got to read this, it's so good." She happens 
to be a lady I respect very much and out of politeness I took it 
home. I didn't start reading straight away but one day out of 
curiosity I decided to read a few pages of the beginning just to 
satisfy the minimal amount of curiosity. The first thing that struck 
me was how the author got my immediate empathy with Harry. Poor 
little kid, stuck behind bars for a thing he didn't do. I was 
hooked, of course. When I read about Harry facing the basilisk 
alone, and how he invoked the phoenix to come to his assistance I 
was deeply overwhelmed by the knowledge that I was being confronted 
by an extremely powerful archetype. I knew then that Harry Potter 
was a message of great spiritual significance. I won't pursue that 
further because that's in my article "Harry Potter - Christian 
Rosycross in Jeans", filed on the main board.

My Australian wife at that stage was just starting to learn Dutch 
and I recommended it as a good first book to read in Dutch. She was 
immediately hooked too. Now, three years later, we must be the 
world's most dedicated fans.

We have the five books in both languages, as well as PS in Latin. We 
also have CDs in Dutch and cassettes in English. We have the films 
on videotape, and I have the CDs of all three soundtracks. I have 
also recorded the Dutch CDs onto tape, interspersed with music from 
the films. Friends borrow these and love them. Whenever we go on a 
long drive we play them, and my wife plays the tapes on the bus trip 
to and from work.

I have downloaded several hundred pictures and there's an option on 
our computer to have a continuous slide show of my pictures as a 
screen saver. Hence the computer is showing lovely pictures whenever 
we're having dinner or whatever. Pictures include book covers in all 
languages, stills from the films, posters, and even stamps from 
around the world showing HP. I have copied them all and put them on 
my computer at work, and I've given them to several colleagues. 
Talking about colleagues, don't ask me how many people I've 
converted to Potterism. It must be well over a hundred by now. We 
always have a HP calendar of course, and I have about 20 text books 
discussing various aspects of HP. We drink from HP mugs and my wife 
wears HP socks. Whenever we have visitors the conversation 
inevitably turns to HP. My wife always says, "I wondered when you'd 
get on to that." And we're in our late fiftees! Can anyone beat that?




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 19:06:25 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Tabouli and Sara!
Message-ID: <20040610190625.97822.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

*untangles herself from a mess of streamers to open
the door for the impatient party-goers waiting in the
hallway*

You guys are ready for a party, right? I thought so,
hence the line-up in the hallway. :-D

We have 2 birthdays today, both long-time HPFGU-ers,
Sara and our very own acronym generating Tabouli. In
honour of Tabouli we're not having cake for today's
party.

*brings out very large bowl of elaborate fruit salad -
strawberries, raspberries, cantaloupe, honeydew,
peaches, mango, kiwi, all drizzled with a nice
raspberry vinaigrette and garnished with slice
starfruit*

Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Sara at: zorb47 at yahoo.com and to Tabouli
at: tabouli at unite.com.au

I hope you're both having magical days, filled with HP
goodness and fun.

Happy Birthday, Sara!
Happy Birthday, Tabouli!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 20:04:40 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:04:40 -0000
Subject: soundtrack
Message-ID: <caaeso+tht1@eGroups.com>

I just bought the soundtrack today and WOW is it good.  I have the 
others (I'm a movie soundtrack junkie), but this one is sooo much 
better.  There's a track called "Window to the Past"  that is played 
when Harry and Lupin are talking on the bridge about Harry's 
parents.  It just wrings my heart, it is so good!   If any of you 
have got it, let me know. 

I think I have played, "Something Wicked this Way Comes"  ten times 
already! 

Alora




From siskiou at vcem.com  Thu Jun 10 21:12:35 2004
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:12:35 -0700
Subject: Internet in Germany?
Message-ID: <84248474.20040610141235@vcem.com>

Hi,


it looks like I will be spending 5 weeks in Germany
(Dormagen, near Koeln/Neuss/Duesseldorf) this summer!

My parents don't know anything about computers, or internet
access, and I am wondering if I should be taking my laptop
(plus appropriate adapters along), or just forget about it
altogether.

If there is anyone from Germany on the list, who could tell
me if there is such a thing as free ISPs, or some relatively
cheap way to get connected, I'd be very grateful! :)
  
-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                          mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 21:13:09 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:13:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] soundtrack
References: <caaeso+tht1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003201c44f2f$bba9ef70$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, man, I don't blame you a bit.  This newbie to the list is ashamed to
admit it, but she still hasn't bought the first two soundtracks, but does
intend to remedy that situation.  

June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June






From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 21:38:10 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:38:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
References: <caa9v4+q081@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006801c44f33$39e8eff0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Hans, my dear, I'm afraid I can't beat it, but I look at your post and
marvel.  Gosh, but you two are lucky!  Now, I'm going to take the plunge.
Back in the spring of two thousand, I went to a concert with a friend.
Well, we were waiting for the thing to start, when I noticed a lady sitting
behind us, reading aloud to her children from the first H.:. book.  I was
fascinated.  I got a copy of the book on tape from our local library.  I
don't know why, but the day I started reading it, I fell straight to sleep,
as Hagrid would say.  In fact, I fell asleep right when Harry and Hagrid
went to the wizarding bank.  When I woke up, I figured the book wasn't worth
my time.  The funny thing is, about a year later, my life partner's nephew
suggested that we read it.  Well, we gave it a go, and this time it was like
bang, crash, boing-boing, you pick the appropriat sound effect--we were
completely hooked.  Now we want to know where to find t.-shirts, coffee
mugs, etc.  I'd like to find a ring with the Hogwarts coat of arms or
something.  I have the first movie in Spanish, and would like to get the
others in that language.  We have video-described versions of the first two
movies, and   the description helps us both get much more out of the films
since both of us are blind.  I'm a professional keyboardist-singer, and I'd
give anything to get gigs in the Three Broomsticks and the Leaky Caldron.
Ah, well, I can dream, can't I?  We've been having a ball with the main list
and this one as well.  My partner, Littlekat hasn't posted ti this list yet,
but I'm sure she'll drop in soon.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From esk at europa.com  Fri Jun 11 00:59:24 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:59:24 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: personality lab sorting hat
In-Reply-To: <035d01c44f17$af08d410$0201a8c0@bettysue>
Message-ID: <cab05c+s64c@eGroups.com>

I took the quiz too, and was very strongly Ravenclaw (97) with 
Hufflepuff second (87) and Gryffindor third (81). Slytherin was too 
paltry for me to remember what the score was. 
While I do think that this test has a very good psychological base, 
I think that its assumption of what makes a person a Gryffindor is a 
tad bit superficial. It tends to picture Gryffindors as boisterous 
athletic types. In some cases in the books this is true. But I think 
that if Hermione Granger and Neville Longbottom were to take this 
test, Hermione would have ended up in Ravenclaw and Neville would be 
in Hufflepuff. My sense is that this shows that there are deeper 
aspects to Gryffindor. It reminds me of the quote about women (I 
think it was by Eleanor Roosevelt) that "Women are like teabags: you 
don't know how strong they are until you put them in hot water." 
Neville may not seem like the Gryffindor type, but to cope with all 
of the trauma surrounding his parents torture must require a great 
internal bravery and courage. And Hermione, though bookish and 
initially very reluctant to break any school rules, goes forward and 
does what needs to be done once she realizes what's at stake. 
If all that the Sorting Hat used to make its decisions were obvious 
personality traits and aptitudes, the Personality Lab test would be 
great. But my sense is that there are more subtle aspects to the 
houses.

Cindy




From ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jun 11 09:18:19 2004
From: ibotsjfvxfst at yahoo.co.uk (Hans)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:18:19 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <006801c44f33$39e8eff0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cabtcr+1r33@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Hans, my dear, I'm afraid I can't beat it, <<

Dear Firedancer, thanks for your lovely post. I have a blind friend 
and I made copies of the tapes especially for her, but she never 
listened to them. Oh well, I tried.

A question of pure curiosity. How do you "read" emails without sight? 
Do you have a spell that turns emails into spoken words? A special 
owl that can talk?

Warm regards,
Hans




From ewe2 at aardvark.net.au  Fri Jun 11 14:45:49 2004
From: ewe2 at aardvark.net.au (Sean Dwyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:45:49 +1000
Subject: AUSTRALIAN SPOILER ALERT: So...who's seen the movie yet?
Message-ID: <20040611144549.GA30039@aardvark.net.au>

Beware, I am about to possibly spoil your movie!

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H
E
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E

Ok, enough with the warnings. I put myself through real pain to see this
movie so I'm going to have my say :)

With half an hour to go, I did the fastest uphill 3km walk in my life
and I'm still paying for it. Serves me right for sleeping through my
alarm.

Since I know some of you have already seen it, I'll get straight to the
point: I liked this movie, because like the book its a (drumroll) Real
Turning-Point. It assumes you've read the book for a start. It's a lot
more Grown Up in many ways.

Gone is the Disneyesque postcard background, I really felt I was in
Scotland somewhere with bloody great hills and a solid prevailing wind.
Those of us with boarding-school experience will probably shiver, as I
did, with memories of dingy drafty in-the-middle-of-nowhere buildings.
The movie says one thing very effectively: Wizards are Very Dangerous
People. Hermione WILL punch you out if she doesn't turn you into one of
those massive choir-toads :)

I really hope Daniel Radcliffe doesn't give up after movie 4, he's
really hitting his straps now, just teetering on the edge of the
full-blown teenage uncontrollable rage and angst. Emma Watson sneaks in
a scene-stealing performance, and I hope she will also continue. I
thought Rupert Grint got the short end really, just reacting to the
others. Michael Gambon got some pretty silly lines, but the sense that
he was an artful mischief-maker in his own right was clear.

There were _some_ assumptions by the film that were odd. The movie assumes
we know Lupin is Mooney, and so we are not surprised that he knows how
to use the Map. But Harry should have been, and he couldn't have had the
time for a full explaination if we are to take those scenes literally. 

Which brings me to the other assumption: the willing suspension of
disbelief about time. So much of the movie roars through the events of
that year so quickly, that during the time-turner scenes I actually
fidgeted. It was well-done of course, but it still felt uncomfortably
like a deliberate zoom-in to a situation in comparison.

The end was very odd. As if Cuarn just said STOP, I can't be bothered
tying everything up. Just a tad Boys Own after all that grown-up action.

My last line is for the shippers: Hermione and Ron. Deal with it.

Sean (mommy I want a headless horseman WITH the burning head)

-- 
"NOONE expects the Death Eaters! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse
elements as...Fear! Surprise! Ruthless efficiency! An almost fanatical
devotion to Lord Voldermort! Nice black uniforms - oh damn!"



From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 11 14:56:26 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:56:26 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <caa9v4+q081@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cach6q+mcrc@eGroups.com>

> Hans:
> I have downloaded several hundred pictures and there's an option 
on 
> our computer to have a continuous slide show of my pictures as a 
> screen saver. Hence the computer is showing lovely pictures 
whenever 
> we're having dinner or whatever. Pictures include book covers in 
all 
> languages, stills from the films, posters, and even stamps from 
> around the world showing HP. I have copied them all and put them 
on 
> my computer at work, and I've given them to several colleagues. 
> Talking about colleagues, don't ask me how many people I've 
> converted to Potterism. It must be well over a hundred by now. We 
> always have a HP calendar of course, and I have about 20 text 
books 
> discussing various aspects of HP. We drink from HP mugs and my 
wife 
> wears HP socks. Whenever we have visitors the conversation 
> inevitably turns to HP. My wife always says, "I wondered when 
you'd 
> get on to that." And we're in our late fiftees! Can anyone beat 
that?

Jen: What a nice story, Hans--can I live at your house? Harry Potter 
24/7 sounds fun to me! My own family is lovingly indulgent with my 
HP obsession, but no one has joined me so far.

I found HP in a very simple way. Sitting in Barnes & Noble 
bookstore, watching my son play with the Thomas the Tank Engine 
train set for the hundreth time, my eyes wandered over to a huge 
stack of books. This was a few weeks before the GOF release, and the 
three previous books were on display. Out of pure boredom, I grabbed 
the Sorcerer's Stone and ended up buying it and COS that very night. 
I quickly read all four books in succession and read the series four 
times in a row, total--I just couldn't put it down and still can't!





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 16:23:31 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:23:31 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cach6q+mcrc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cacma3+20l7@eGroups.com>


> Jen: What a nice story, Hans--can I live at your house? Harry Potter 
> 24/7 sounds fun to me! My own family is lovingly indulgent with my 
> HP obsession, but no one has joined me so far.

Annemehr:
Yes, Hans, you have no idea how lucky you are. Jen, we need to start a
society -- Lone HP Fanatics Anonymous or something? For those of us
who are the only obsessed fans we know personally. My whole family of
five has read the books. In fact, my daughters have demanded repeat
readings aloud (not lately, though, and never OoP), which DH and son
have been known to listen in on. But no one I know personally is
*obsessed* at all -- which means barely any in-person discussion at
all, either. :(

Thank goodness for fandom!

Annemehr
absolutely amazed that neither daughter has gotten around to
jkrowling.com yet, even  O.o -- school's been out since 2 June!






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jun 11 17:05:52 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:05:52 -0400
Subject: Test?
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEGNCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Just put in my subscription so I wanted to see if it works.

So, while I'm here, I may as well put on the Sorting Hat and tell it, "Not
Slytherin! Not Slytherin!" :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.






From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 20:10:37 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:10:37 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cach6q+mcrc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cad3jt+irro@eGroups.com>


> My own family is lovingly indulgent with my 
> HP obsession, but no one has joined me so far.
>

My family puts up with me as well.  My son brought the books home in 
2001, and I had already heard all the bad things about HP, so I 
figured I had better check it out.  I was hooked!!  Now, I come from 
a Christian background, and hubby and I are actively involved in 
church with our children.  BUT, there are people in family who shall 
remain nameless (mother in law! brother in law and sister in law!) 
that think it's all of the devil and it's damaging kids.  Needless 
to say, if anyone in my family is smart, they DON'T bring up HP 
unless they want to get an earful from me.  I have a problem with 
people bashing something, when they have not even taken the time to 
read it.  My kids like the movies and we read the books, but I am 
the addict.  I can pick up any one of the books at any given time 
and get lost in them.  I love Harry Potter!  I'm with whoever it was 
that said we need to get a HP loner club going....

Alora







From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 20:12:01 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:12:01 -0000
Subject: local chapters of HPfGU?
Message-ID: <cad3mh+imuh@eGroups.com>

Speaking of a HP loner club, does anyone know if there are any local 
chapters of HPfGU in different cities?  I'd be curious to know.

Alora




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jun 11 20:41:48 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:41:48 -0000
Subject: local chapters of HPfGU?
In-Reply-To: <cad3mh+imuh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cad5ec+7nfq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alora" <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:

> Speaking of a HP loner club, does anyone know if there are any local 
> chapters of HPfGU in different cities?  I'd be curious to know.

As a matter of fact, there are several regional HPfGU lists, to wit:

HP4GU Australia
HP4GU California
HP4GU Florida
HP4GU Great Lakes
HP4GU Southeast US
HP4GU Washington DC
HP4GU Kentucky/Tennesee
HPfGU MountainWest (Mountain Time Zone, U.S. and Canada)
HPfGU Germany (and German-speaking countries)
HPfGU London
HPfGU New York
HPfGU Texas

You can find the links to these groups on our Portkey:

http://hpfgu.org.uk/P.html#second

If your region doesn't have an HPfGU group, you are welcome to start
your own YahooGroup.  Please contact the List Elves at
hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com for more information.

Best Regards,

--Dicey Elf




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 21:33:45 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:33:45 -0000
Subject: HP mentioned in new Steven King Book
Message-ID: <cad8fp+p5fv@eGroups.com>

I just got Steven King's The Dark Tower VI Song of Susannah and 
Harry Potter is mentioned on page 26 (US version). As in Book V 
Wolves of the Calla it is the Harry Potter model sneetch! Just a 
brief mention of it but it did make me chuckle......

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sat Jun 12 03:12:09 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:12:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
References: <cabtcr+1r33@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002801c4502b$0cdecb80$e60b8f45@Voov>

Hans, if you'll write me of list at
firedancerflash at comcast.net
I'll be glad to fill you in on screen readers, special owls, and such.  It
will have to wait till Sunday, because some of our favorite out-of-town
muggles are coming in for a visit tomorrow.  Btw, that address is open for
anyone else who'd like to correspond as well.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sat Jun 12 03:27:45 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:27:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AUSTRALIAN SPOILER ALERT: So...who's seen the movie yet?
References: <20040611144549.GA30039@aardvark.net.au>
Message-ID: <009601c4502d$3a5c3b90$e60b8f45@Voov>

Sean, dear, I liked what you had to say in your mimi-review.  In fact, you
helped to settle some qualms I had after seeing the show.  I still don't
think they cast Dumbledore correctly.  The actor needed to be older, I
think.  Not ancient, but older.  I think Rupert is handling Ron's character
perfectly, and God, he's going to end up with a great voice, once he goes
through the change.  As to Dan?  There's this one little teeny problem.  He
may be playing an angry young man, but, even now, I could sit here and
listen to him read the phone book all afternoon.  Believe it or not, I think
there should have been more good dialog--it sorta got lost in the shuffle.
Maybe I'll feel better when I get to listen to the movie video-described.
June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sat Jun 12 03:31:51 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:31:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
References: <cach6q+mcrc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c4502d$cd84cf40$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, man, we should all get together and buy a time share or something.
Don't I wish it were possible for my life partner and me to get up to Canada
for the convention, but it ain't gonna happen this year.  We'd love to be
around folks who'd be in to Potter at least twenty-five six. Ah, well, we
can dream, can't we?  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jun 12 05:09:29 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:09:29 -0400
Subject: The Eye and I
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEIBCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hi, good people,

I just had a silly thought!  As a blind individual, I wonder how Moody's eye
would work for me....Can I borrow your eyeball, Mr. Moody? <Grin>

Often, if I need my husband (Art) to read something for me, I ask him, "Can
I borrow your eyeball, Love?"  With Moody, that could be literal! <Evil
Grin>

Enough rambling...I've got lots of other e-mail to catch up on.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 12 11:40:59 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:40:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Jim!
Message-ID: <20040612114059.17466.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>

*takes her time getting the decorations just right and
suspending glittery confetti at ceiling level*

I think there's lots of food for today's party, so
I'll just get the cake. Assuming it's not too early in
the day for cake. What's that? It's never too early
for cake? I thought so. <vbg>

Today's birthday honouree is Jim Flanagan, who's been
a member here longer than I can recall. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to:
jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu

I hope your day is magical, filled with many blessings
and the company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Jim!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

=====
http://www.conventionalley.org/


______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From ewe2 at aardvark.net.au  Sat Jun 12 12:08:30 2004
From: ewe2 at aardvark.net.au (Sean Dwyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:08:30 -0000
Subject: AUSTRALIAN SPOILER ALERT: So...who's seen the movie yet?
In-Reply-To: <009601c4502d$3a5c3b90$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <caernu+d5bq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer"
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Sean, dear, I liked what you had to say in your mimi-review.

Hello :)

> I think Rupert is handling Ron's character perfectly, and God,
> he's going to end up with a great voice, once he goes through
> the change.

Oh I have no quarrel with Rupert at all, I just didn't think he
got enough to do, poor bloke. I'd be really tired of the scared
look if I were him.

> As to Dan?  There's this one little teeny problem.  He may be 
> playing an angry young man, but, even now, I could sit here and
> listen to him read the phone book all afternoon.  

> Believe it or not, I think there should have been more good
> dialog--it sorta got lost in the shuffle.

That's a valid point too; it was a _bit_ action-orientated, Snape's
witty comebacks notwithstanding. I think he's getting a little
more...tense these days.


> Maybe I'll feel better when I get to listen to the movie
video-described.

The dvd commentaries have done nothing for me so far -- it would be
nice if the next one proves me wrong.

Sean




From LadySawall at aol.com  Sat Jun 12 15:46:09 2004
From: LadySawall at aol.com (Jo Ann)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:46:09 -0000
Subject: Fanfiction Challenge: Blame It on Snape!
Message-ID: <caf8g1+ro72@eGroups.com>

Attention all writers of HP fanfiction:

It's all Snape's fault!  Really!  Whatever it is.  And you get to 
tell us why!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/amberdiceless/15799.html#cutid1

Go on, convince me that he caused the rise of Grindelwald thirty 
years before he was born!  Or that he's the reason Hermione can't get 
her hair to behave!  Be clever, be outlandish, be evil.

Participants will receive a heartfelt thank-you and praise for their 
efforts, and will have their creation enshrined amid the communal 
madness that is LiveJournal for all time (or for as long as they 
continue to host free accounts.)

Thanks for your attention,

Jo Ann
(Cross-posted to the HPfGU Announcements list)

P.S.  You don't have to have a LiveJournal of your own to participate.




From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 12 14:02:05 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:02:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Test?
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEGNCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <030e01c45085$d8228570$e60b8f45@Voov>

I am here, too, finally, and what I want to ask Lee, as the Sorting Hat, is,
"Are you sure?  Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness! Well, if
you're sure, better be Hufflepuff!"

Hahahahahahaha.
Littlekat






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jun 13 02:09:59 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:09:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Test?
In-Reply-To: <030e01c45085$d8228570$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEJDCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: Littlekat10 [mailto:littlekat10 at comcast.net]
| Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:02 AM
|
| I am here, too, finally, and what I want to ask Lee, as the
| Sorting Hat, is,
| "Are you sure?  Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness! Well, if
| you're sure, better be Hufflepuff!"
|
| Hahahahahahaha.

[Lee kisses the sorting hat!]
I'd rather be Hufflepuff than Slytherin any day.  Hey, Cedric was Hufflepuff
and he was really an okay guy, I think. <Grin>

And Prof Sprout is pretty cool.

Cheers,
Lee :-)
(Who can't get her outlook rules to properly move this list mail to it's
proper--uh--house!)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 03:55:59 2004
From: shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:55:59 -0000
Subject: SNL HAHA!
Message-ID: <cagj8f+9p1t@eGroups.com>

Oh my God please tell me someone else is watching SNL and laughing 
as hard as I am!!


Jason




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jun 13 04:38:57 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:38:57 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SNL HAHA!
In-Reply-To: <cagj8f+9p1t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEJHCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Jason, laughing]:
|
| Oh my God please tell me someone else is watching SNL and laughing
| as hard as I am!!

[Lee]: No, but please share??

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 05:23:43 2004
From: shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:23:43 -0000
Subject: SNL HAHA!
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEJHCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cagocv+qftu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is 
The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [Jason, laughing]:
> |
> | Oh my God please tell me someone else is watching SNL and 
laughing
> | as hard as I am!!
> 
> [Lee]: No, but please share??
> 
> Lee :-)
> 
> Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
> I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
> Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at o... (or)
> I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at a...
> Walk beside me, and be my friend.



Sorry I didn't elaborate earlier but the skit was in the middle. 
Anyway, Lindsay Lohan was hosting and they did a Harry Potter skit. 
Lindsay played Hermione and she just happened to have very form 
fitting and low cut hogwarts clothing. The rest was Ron and Harry 
being teenage boys who are surprised and excited about "hermione's" 
physical change over the summer. Lindsay Lohan is not what you'd 
call flat chested.

Rachel Dratch was playing Harry and it was just so funny.

Jason




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jun 13 05:51:03 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:51:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SNL HAHA!
In-Reply-To: <cagocv+qftu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEJICOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

<Grin>

I have to admit I'm not familiar with any of those folk.  I date back to the
SNL of the 70's with Samurai Tailor...chopping extra buttons off suits and
such with his sword.  Hmm--with a tailor like that... :-)

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From lists at heidi8.com  Sun Jun 13 11:04:54 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 07:04:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SNL HAHA!
In-Reply-To: <cagj8f+9p1t@eGroups.com>
References: <cagj8f+9p1t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1087124697.1DCDF0B6@s5.dngr.org>


On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:50am, Jason wrote:
> Oh my God please tell me someone else is watching SNL and laughing
as hard as I am!!


If anyone missed it, we have a link to a download of it on 
the-leaky-cauldron.org - if it's not on the front page, go to the full 
text page and use the Search box.

Heidi, via Sidekick



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 13 15:02:10 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 13 Jun 2004 15:02:10 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1087138930.28.84731.m4@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 13, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 13 16:36:01 2004
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (dan)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:36:01 -0000
Subject: music that evokes the world of HP
In-Reply-To: <c9fs4o+8ejf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cahvph+j0q2@eGroups.com>

"dorapye"  wrote:

>...Muse's Asolution.  If you don't have this cd, I 
> cannot recommend it strongly enough - it is possibly the most 
> powerful and compelling collection of rock songs I have heard 
> since...well, since ever, most likely. *Very* dark, haunting, 
> passionate, obsessive, bellicose, hateful, desperate, on the edge, 
> songs of self-loathing, bitterness and destruction.  
> 
> So how does it relate to HP? Well, I'd say it evokes some of the 
> themes in OotP...Apocalypse Please would be a good anthem for Harry 
> going into the final showdown with LV; Butterflies and Hurricanes 
an 
> melody for Harry's feelings as he reflects on the responsibilities 
> that the prophecy has forced on him, and Sirius's death;Ruled By 
> Secrecy ..'change in the air, and they'll hide everywhere and no 
one 
> knows who's in control'  a Death Eater's or perhaps an Auror's 
> lament?

Thanks dorapye. I would like to put up a link to the band's homepage 
or distributor on my new "music that evokes the world of Harry 
Potter" page at http://members.shaw.ca/darkthirty/music.html. And 
anyone else who has ideas, they can email them to me as well, for 
inclusion. I've posted some artists, given a short description of why 
it relates (in MY head) to HP, and who in HP would be, yunno, in the 
band.

The way music is attractive or repulisive to us, the way it can evoke 
certain things for us, and so forth, is such an interesting, 
poorly "understood" (in terms of language) thing. (Not the forum here 
to talk about the difference, if any, between language and 
understanding.) I doubt there's a formula - though I have to admit 
there's certainly a marketting formula for AM Radio sound, for 
example, or "big classical Mozart" sound and the like. This is not, 
however, what I am talking about. John Williams, for example, was 
forced, or perhaps decided (under pressure) to broaden his musical 
palette in the POA movie, and I for one am grateful.

The bands/artists I've put up are all semi-acoustic, or rather, indie 
folk rocky, taking my lead from the composition of members of the 
Weird Sisters. They are, now I think on it, all pretty political too -
 not in the "screw it all" sense, but in a straightforward left-
wing/anarchist, thoughtful sense. No simple rebelliousness with 
style, but actual political music. Interesting. Not sure why this is, 
other than, perhaps, the fact that Rowling is apparently a pretty 
political writer, for me. Oh, and the bands/artists are all worth a 
listen, too, if you're unfamiliar with them.

So, if you or anyone else wants to contribute, email me the link to 
their homepage or record company page, a brief description about how 
they evoke Harry Potter, and, if you will (for fun), the theoretical 
HP band make up. I will put up your description, dorapye, if that's 
okay.

Dan (darkthirty at shaw.ca)





From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 21:29:03 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How Many Folks Are Making It To Ottawa?
Message-ID: <20040613212903.51024.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>

13June 2004
 
Hi everyone,
 
I'm just curious.  How many are really going to the Con in Ottawa.  I'm very disappointed that I can't make it and am curious--how many other group members can't make it there either.  Anybody still undecided?
 
~Paula Gaon



See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 13 22:08:27 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:08:27 -0000
Subject: How Many Folks Are Making It To Ottawa?
In-Reply-To: <20040613212903.51024.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <caij8r+m3kq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...>
wrote:

<< I'm just curious.  How many are really going to the Con in Ottawa.
 I'm very disappointed that I can't make it and am curious--how many
other group members can't make it there either.  Anybody still
undecided? >>

Tim and I are going, as sure as sure can be in this human life, even
tho' my job is being a big pain about it. I have to fly there on
Friday and fly back Sunday afternoon (no time at all for sightseeing!)
in order to take only two days off. I'm not sure I'm going to bother
to wear even  a simple costume ... 




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 23:38:42 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:38:42 -0000
Subject: How Many Folks Are Making It To Ottawa?
In-Reply-To: <20040613212903.51024.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <caioi2+dglk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...> 
wrote:
> 13June 2004
>  
> Hi everyone,
>  
> I'm just curious.  How many are really going to the Con in Ottawa.  
I'm very disappointed that I can't make it and am curious--how many 
other group members can't make it there either.  Anybody still 
undecided?
>  
> ~Paula Gaon


Hopefully, I am going.


Alla




From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 01:11:44 2004
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:11:44 EDT
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
Message-ID: <a0.f065a8b.2dfe5550@aol.com>

I was flipping through the channels and on channel 5 right now (I live in 
North Carolina) there is a program on on the 'Evils of Harry Potter', including 
an advert for a guide on the 'Evils of Harry Potter'.   

I didn't watch the whole thing, but it appears to be about how Harry Potter 
is harmful for children and how it endorses real occult practices.  It says it 
also includes footage of 'real witches', but my bet is it is all 
dramatization.    

Wonderful topic for a religious channel, isn't it?   

"Spread the love of God?  Nah!  Let's fight Harry Potter!" 

Just...oy...   

~Cassie~ 


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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 01:17:37 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:17:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <a0.f065a8b.2dfe5550@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040614011737.83805.qmail@web53106.mail.yahoo.com>

That is nothing, try searching on google about Christains and Harry potter! Some of the things which are said by them is shocking. I am not against any religon, but that really does make you wonder whether they are religeous or just insane!

IAmLordCassandra at aol.com wrote:I was flipping through the channels and on channel 5 right now (I live in 
North Carolina) there is a program on on the 'Evils of Harry Potter', including 
an advert for a guide on the 'Evils of Harry Potter'. 

I didn't watch the whole thing, but it appears to be about how Harry Potter 
is harmful for children and how it endorses real occult practices. It says it 
also includes footage of 'real witches', but my bet is it is all 
dramatization. 

Wonderful topic for a religious channel, isn't it? 

"Spread the love of God? Nah! Let's fight Harry Potter!" 

Just...oy... 

~Cassie~ 


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From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 02:05:40 2004
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:05:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What I just saw on TV...
Message-ID: <8d.d57beff.2dfe61f4@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/13/2004 7:00:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk writes:
That is nothing, try searching on google about Christains and Harry potter! 
Some of the things which are said by them is shocking. I am not against any 
religon, but that really does make you wonder whether they are religeous or just 
insane!
Oh, I've talked to Christians who are against Harry Potter and been to some 
of those websites.  They are entitled to their opinion and, like you, I am not 
against any religion, but I *hate* it when they say "I haven't read the books, 
but I know they're bad.".   

I just have this picture of one person at that production meeting saying 
"Shouldn't we be spreading the message of Christ?"  and the rest saying 
"No...Harry Potter is more important."  

~Cassie~ 


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From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 02:15:06 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:15:06 -0000
Subject: How Many Folks Are Making It To Ottawa?
In-Reply-To: <caioi2+dglk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caj1na+efik@eGroups.com>

Gods! I just saw that Steven Van Ark is going to be at Ottawa and I'm
soooooooooooo freakin' jealous! I missed his bit at Nimbus so I'm
hoping he will be at Witching Hour-that alone is worth it.
I just revisted his site and he just blows me away, man.

Kai
*green with envy*




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 01:49:08 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:49:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What I just saw on TV...
References: <20040614011737.83805.qmail@web53106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <086501c451b1$c8892970$e60b8f45@Voov>

There are always elements in anyy aggregation of people that can make said
aggregation look bad, but I think some christian goofballs almost make a
science of it.  Of course, P. T. Barnum used to say that there was a sucker
born every minute.  I don't want to get on a soapbox here, but this kind of
thing makes me really, really angry.  Trouble is, that with modern muggle
technology coupled with sound bites, it's far too easy co cut here, paste
there, splice over yonder, and take anything anybody says out of context.
June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 02:41:41 2004
From: shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:41:41 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <20040614011737.83805.qmail@web53106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <caj395+30a2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, wayne gregory 
<waynegregory23 at y...> wrote:
> That is nothing, try searching on google about Christains and 
Harry potter! Some of the things which are said by them is shocking. 
I am not against any religon, but that really does make you wonder 
whether they are religeous or just insane!
> 



I ignored most of the Christians against Harry Potter mess when it 
was going on. Just let them have their opinions. I actually thank 
them because here in South Carolina, they tried banning the books. 
So, just to see what the fuss was about, I read Chamber of Secrets. 
Now of course I probably reread one of the books per week.

But just out of sheer boredom I took your advice and looked around 
the internet. The very first article I read put my jaw on the floor. 
I have a feeling its among the very very far end of the spectrum on 
people who HATE HP. But here are just a couple of passages. The rest 
can be found at www.Bettybowers.com (She claims to be America's Best 
Christian btw).

"What barely literate Church of God mother, wishing to homeschool 
her children about Jesus on plastic-laminated card tables in her 
damp unfinished basement, stands a chance against the lush 
glittering allure of the grandly furnished, gothic Hogwarts Academy? 
Yes, Hogwarts is similar to Christian academies in that no time is 
squandered teaching history, literature and science (and there are 
few unsightly non-Caucasian children) but, sadly, that is where the 
similarity ends! "

Im sorry, did she just say "UNSIGHTLY NON-CAUCASIAN children?"
If that wasn't enough, heres one last taste...

"Harry (Daniel Radcliffe), wearing a Dorothy Hamill unisex hairstyle 
resurrected from the 1970's by America's First Lady Laura Bush, is 
Jesus Killer Rowling's (and you wonder why she goes by her 
initials!) homosexual recruitment poster-boy. How do we know he is a 
depraved homosexual? Well, he's English. Furthermore, when he lives 
with his dreadful Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia, he sleeps "in the 
closet." (I never claimed that secular imagery was anymore subtle 
than our own!) As Harry becomes more attuned to his satanic powers, 
he comes "out of the closet" and befriends Hagrid (Robbie Coltrane), 
an old biker "bear" of lascivious intentions."

Jesus Killer Rowling? wow. 
Homosexual because he's English? double wow.

...and it goes on...

"Once Harry arrives at Hogwarts, he is free to begin an unbroken 
daisy chain of homosexual liaisons. Fortunately for Christian 
viewers, the frantic buggery that is endemic at all British schools 
with stone floors is mercifully left off-camera. But this does not 
mean that Harry doesn't devote shocking attention to finding other 
homosexuals to pair off with. For those of you thinking I am making 
this up, I direct your attention to page 171 of the book upon which 
this film was based for the brazen matchmaking exploits of young 
British homosexuals:



'"Professor Flitwick [Harry's "charms" (wink, wink) teacher] put the 
class into pairs to practice. Harry's partner was Seamus Finnigan, 
which was a relief, because Neville had been trying to catch his 
eye.'"



Okay, thats enough of that. If you will all pick your jaws up from 
the floor, I'll let you get on with your life. I just had to post 
this to confirm my eyes arent merely making up their own words as I 
read.

Jason, who is immensely apprehensive at fanning the flames but, WOW.








From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 03:02:49 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:02:49 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj395+30a2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caj4gp+lenc@eGroups.com>

What the crap? I was laughin' for days at this.  

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jason" 
> I ignored most of the Christians against Harry Potter mess when it 
> was going on. Just let them have their opinions. I actually thank 
> them because here in South Carolina, they tried banning the books. 
> So, just to see what the fuss was about, I read Chamber of Secrets. 
> Now of course I probably reread one of the books per week.
--------------------------
I just ignore them (being pagan & bi) but I did hit the anti-HP sites
and still do so for kicks. After I'm done laughing at them, I send
informative little notes point out that spewing hate does not make one
godly and frankly whom are they to judge.
Ah well.

> 
> "What barely literate Church of God mother, wishing to homeschool 
> her children about Jesus on plastic-laminated card tables in her 
> damp unfinished basement, stands a chance against the lush 
> glittering allure of the grandly furnished, gothic Hogwarts Academy? 
> Yes, Hogwarts is similar to Christian academies in that no time is 
> squandered teaching history, literature and science (and there are 
> few unsightly non-Caucasian children) but, sadly, that is where the 
> similarity ends! "
=--------------------
I think the concept of "fiction" is missed with this gal.
> 

> "Harry (Daniel Radcliffe), wearing a Dorothy Hamill unisex hairstyle 
> resurrected from the 1970's by America's First Lady Laura Bush, is 
> Jesus Killer Rowling's (and you wonder why she goes by her 
> initials!) homosexual recruitment poster-boy.
-----------------------
Think we should send this to Daniel's people; let 'em send a nice
little no slandering letter to this broad.  Gods to be a fly on the
wall if that showed up to her doorstep!

 How do we know he is a  depraved homosexual? Well, he's English.
Furthermore, when he lives 
> with his dreadful Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia, he sleeps "in the 
> closet." (I never claimed that secular imagery was anymore subtle 
> than our own!) As Harry becomes more attuned to his satanic powers, 
> he comes "out of the closet" and befriends Hagrid (Robbie Coltrane), 
> an old biker "bear" of lascivious intentions."
--------------------------------------
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! (see below for acronym explanation)
Harry gay 'cause he's english?? That's a new one on me! Who woulda
thunk it?  Wonder if that's why my ex disappeared after going back to
the UK.
Hagrid the biker with L&L intentions (snorts in tea). How rich is that
one?  Oh gods, stop it! Ya killin' me muggle! Tell you what, I'd
rather have Hagrid on my side than this mental muggle anyday. 

> 
> '"Professor Flitwick [Harry's "charms" (wink, wink) teacher] put the 
> class into pairs to practice. Harry's partner was Seamus Finnigan, 
> which was a relief, because Neville had been trying to catch his 
> eye.'"
------------------------------
ROFLMAOTIH!!!!*ditto
Like our Seamus was ain't better, nes pa? Blew 'im and Harry up oi! 
Oh just shocking how much time this one has on her hands.  I say we
gather up all our galleons and send them to her with a note to buy a
clue in the game of life.  She obviously has been sitting at home
watching too much Pat Robinson while drinking a few too many sweet
teas.  Sugar and blatent hatred don't mix, folks. And sniff sniff, do
I smell a bit o' jealousy at our JK Rowling's success while still be
true to her religious path.  Oi! 
Let's practice our ignore the muggle charm *wink wink* Remember to
SWISH and flick *wink*

Kai
*Rolling on floor laughing my *** off
*Rolling on floor laughing my *** off til it hurts




From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 03:08:19 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 04:08:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj395+30a2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040614030819.33103.qmail@web53110.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah! that was the one I read! Let them have their opinoins! But to me, This Betty Bowers is quite a dangerous women, she seems to make noise before her brain has caught up with her mouth. What I don't understand is that if the church is against magic, then what was it that Jesus did to turn water to wine??

Jason <shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, wayne gregory 
wrote:
> That is nothing, try searching on google about Christains and 
Harry potter! Some of the things which are said by them is shocking. 
I am not against any religon, but that really does make you wonder 
whether they are religeous or just insane!
> 



I ignored most of the Christians against Harry Potter mess when it 
was going on. Just let them have their opinions. I actually thank 
them because here in South Carolina, they tried banning the books. 
So, just to see what the fuss was about, I read Chamber of Secrets. 
Now of course I probably reread one of the books per week.

But just out of sheer boredom I took your advice and looked around 
the internet. The very first article I read put my jaw on the floor. 
I have a feeling its among the very very far end of the spectrum on 
people who HATE HP. But here are just a couple of passages. The rest 
can be found at www.Bettybowers.com (She claims to be America's Best 
Christian btw).

"What barely literate Church of God mother, wishing to homeschool 
her children about Jesus on plastic-laminated card tables in her 
damp unfinished basement, stands a chance against the lush 
glittering allure of the grandly furnished, gothic Hogwarts Academy? 
Yes, Hogwarts is similar to Christian academies in that no time is 
squandered teaching history, literature and science (and there are 
few unsightly non-Caucasian children) but, sadly, that is where the 
similarity ends! "

Im sorry, did she just say "UNSIGHTLY NON-CAUCASIAN children?"
If that wasn't enough, heres one last taste...

"Harry (Daniel Radcliffe), wearing a Dorothy Hamill unisex hairstyle 
resurrected from the 1970's by America's First Lady Laura Bush, is 
Jesus Killer Rowling's (and you wonder why she goes by her 
initials!) homosexual recruitment poster-boy. How do we know he is a 
depraved homosexual? Well, he's English. Furthermore, when he lives 
with his dreadful Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia, he sleeps "in the 
closet." (I never claimed that secular imagery was anymore subtle 
than our own!) As Harry becomes more attuned to his satanic powers, 
he comes "out of the closet" and befriends Hagrid (Robbie Coltrane), 
an old biker "bear" of lascivious intentions."

Jesus Killer Rowling? wow. 
Homosexual because he's English? double wow.

....and it goes on...

"Once Harry arrives at Hogwarts, he is free to begin an unbroken 
daisy chain of homosexual liaisons. Fortunately for Christian 
viewers, the frantic buggery that is endemic at all British schools 
with stone floors is mercifully left off-camera. But this does not 
mean that Harry doesn't devote shocking attention to finding other 
homosexuals to pair off with. For those of you thinking I am making 
this up, I direct your attention to page 171 of the book upon which 
this film was based for the brazen matchmaking exploits of young 
British homosexuals:



'"Professor Flitwick [Harry's "charms" (wink, wink) teacher] put the 
class into pairs to practice. Harry's partner was Seamus Finnigan, 
which was a relief, because Neville had been trying to catch his 
eye.'"



Okay, thats enough of that. If you will all pick your jaws up from 
the floor, I'll let you get on with your life. I just had to post 
this to confirm my eyes arent merely making up their own words as I 
read.

Jason, who is immensely apprehensive at fanning the flames but, WOW.








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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 03:10:35 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 04:10:35 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <8d.d57beff.2dfe61f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040614031035.94766.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree! anyone who hasn't read the books and says that Harry Potter is rubbish, In my opinion has no right to comment on it!

IAmLordCassandra at aol.com wrote:In a message dated 6/13/2004 7:00:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk writes:
That is nothing, try searching on google about Christains and Harry potter! 
Some of the things which are said by them is shocking. I am not against any 
religon, but that really does make you wonder whether they are religeous or just 
insane!
Oh, I've talked to Christians who are against Harry Potter and been to some 
of those websites. They are entitled to their opinion and, like you, I am not 
against any religion, but I *hate* it when they say "I haven't read the books, 
but I know they're bad.". 

I just have this picture of one person at that production meeting saying 
"Shouldn't we be spreading the message of Christ?" and the rest saying 
"No...Harry Potter is more important." 

~Cassie~ 


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From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 14 03:10:28 2004
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (dan)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:10:28 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj395+30a2@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jason" 
<shrtbusryder2002 at y...> wrote:

> Jesus Killer Rowling? wow. 
> Homosexual because he's English? double wow.

> Jason, who is immensely apprehensive at fanning the flames but, WOW.

Jason, these things make certain groups focus on Harry Potter so 
much, and completely ignore the 3,456 other books about magic in the 
kids shelves.

1 It's more popular.

2 The author hasn't meet with archbishops or bishops or whatever to 
confirm herself as a Christian, as Lewis and Tolkein did.

3 Lewis and especially Tolkein were social conservatives. Rowling is 
not, by a long shot. The best essayists regarding Rowling in fact 
identify her as a social anarchist. She derides bureacracy, ala 
Fudge, she despises state methods of control, ala Umbridge, she 
identifies ambition as unsightly (see descriptions of any Slytherin 
character), she sees positive personal qualities arising from 
disenfranchised or despised classes (muggleborns, e.g.) and so forth. 
It's like a challenge to the idea, for example, that innercity 
schools are more dangerous than suburban schools. (Statistics in the 
US point out that most school shootings took place, and take place, 
in nice, middle class or upper class suburbs.)

Given this, the response to HP from the Christian Right makes perfect 
sense. Rowling is undermining their political beliefs, as disquised 
by Christianity.

Dan




From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 03:16:41 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 04:16:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj4v4+ug8i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040614031641.96209.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com>

Not only that but apperently the Potter books have out sold the bible! Now I don't know if this is true for a fact. But no wonder christians feel the need to attack J K Rowlings world. But saying that What about the Guinness Book of Records, which again has sold more copies than the good book? These are based on the physical world too. Has the church given up on the war with science and decided to fight a battle they think they can win?

dan <lunalovegood at shaw.ca> wrote:--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jason" 
wrote:

> Jesus Killer Rowling? wow. 
> Homosexual because he's English? double wow.

> Jason, who is immensely apprehensive at fanning the flames but, WOW.

Jason, these things make certain groups focus on Harry Potter so 
much, and completely ignore the 3,456 other books about magic in the 
kids shelves.

1 It's more popular.

2 The author hasn't meet with archbishops or bishops or whatever to 
confirm herself as a Christian, as Lewis and Tolkein did.

3 Lewis and especially Tolkein were social conservatives. Rowling is 
not, by a long shot. The best essayists regarding Rowling in fact 
identify her as a social anarchist. She derides bureacracy, ala 
Fudge, she despises state methods of control, ala Umbridge, she 
identifies ambition as unsightly (see descriptions of any Slytherin 
character), she sees positive personal qualities arising from 
disenfranchised or despised classes (muggleborns, e.g.) and so forth. 
It's like a challenge to the idea, for example, that innercity 
schools are more dangerous than suburban schools. (Statistics in the 
US point out that most school shootings took place, and take place, 
in nice, middle class or upper class suburbs.)

Given this, the response to HP from the Christian Right makes perfect 
sense. Rowling is undermining their political beliefs, as disquised 
by Christianity.

Dan




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From joyw at gwu.edu  Mon Jun 14 03:39:01 2004
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:39:01 -0400
Subject: "The Office"
Message-ID: <014901c451c1$21efd400$6601a8c0@Joy>

I'm wondering if anyone here is a fan of the BBC show "The Office".  I live in the US, but I just watched the DVDs of both Season 1 and Season 2, and they kind of left everything up in the air.  I immediately went to the BBC web site, and found out that they weren't planning a third season, but aired a two-part special last Christmas to sort of wrap things up.  

I don't suppose anyone has that on tape, or knows where I could find a copy?  I'm really dying to see it!  If not, can someone fill me in on what happened?  I read the brief episode summaries available on the web site, but that just wasn't enough to satisfy my new addiction.  Did Dawn and Tim end up together?  How's David coping?  Did Tim end up following his dream and going to uni?  Does anyone respect Gareth as a boss?    The ambiguity is driving me crazy... It's like knowing Book 6 has been released, but not being able to read it.

Feel free to email me off-list (joyw @ gwu.edu) if you prefer.  Thanks so much!

~Joy~

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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jun 14 03:50:05 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:50:05 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj395+30a2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caj79d+ft7n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jason"
<shrtbusryder2002 at y...> wrote:

> But just out of sheer boredom I took your advice and looked around 
> the internet. The very first article I read put my jaw on the floor. 
> I have a feeling its among the very very far end of the spectrum on 
> people who HATE HP. But here are just a couple of passages. The rest 
> can be found at www.Bettybowers.com (She claims to be America's Best 
> Christian btw).

I snipped the ROTFL parts for space, but they make me think that that
website must be a hoax for mocking Christian anti-HP fears.




From shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 03:52:22 2004
From: shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:52:22 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj79d+ft7n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caj7dm+vhlh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jason"
> <shrtbusryder2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > But just out of sheer boredom I took your advice and looked 
around 
> > the internet. The very first article I read put my jaw on the 
floor. 
> > I have a feeling its among the very very far end of the spectrum 
on 
> > people who HATE HP. But here are just a couple of passages. The 
rest 
> > can be found at www.Bettybowers.com (She claims to be America's 
Best 
> > Christian btw).
> 
> I snipped the ROTFL parts for space, but they make me think that 
that
> website must be a hoax for mocking Christian anti-HP fears.


I don't think so. I actualy think she's as serious as a heart 
attack. Check out the site and scroll down. There are a ton of 
articles shes written about a wide array of topics. She scares me.

Jason




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jun 14 03:55:25 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:55:25 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj7dm+vhlh@eGroups.com>
References: <caj79d+ft7n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40CDAE4D.22024.17D0B22@localhost>

On 14 Jun 2004 at 3:52, Jason wrote:

> I don't think so. I actualy think she's as serious as a heart 
> attack. Check out the site and scroll down. There are a ton of 
> articles shes written about a wide array of topics. She scares me.

The site is a parody site - a clever one because its subtle enough 
to leave people wondering even if they are suspicious - but it is a 
parody.

You can rest assured on that score.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 04:02:40 2004
From: shrtbusryder2002 at yahoo.com (Jason)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 04:02:40 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <40CDAE4D.22024.17D0B22@localhost>
Message-ID: <caj810+2vqf@eGroups.com>


> 
> The site is a parody site - a clever one because its subtle enough 
> to leave people wondering even if they are suspicious - but it is 
a 
> parody.
> 
> You can rest assured on that score.
> 
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
> (ISTJ)       | drednort at a... | ICQ: 6898200 
> "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
> thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
> facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
> uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
> need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
> Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia



Well, if that's true, then it isn't as funny. :-\
Just out of curiosity, how do you know it's a parody?

Jason




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jun 14 04:10:32 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:10:32 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj810+2vqf@eGroups.com>
References: <40CDAE4D.22024.17D0B22@localhost>
Message-ID: <40CDB1D8.7508.18AE301@localhost>

On 14 Jun 2004 at 4:02, Jason wrote:

> Well, if that's true, then it isn't as funny. :-\
> Just out of curiosity, how do you know it's a parody?

Because I've been around a long time (-8

Serious answer - see the link at the bottom to Landover. Landover 
is probably the most famous of these parody sites on the net.

Or check the source code for the page:

meta name="Description" content="Providing Effeminate Husbands for 
otherwise Unmarriable Women

Most of these clever parody sites include things like that hidden 
in the source.

The main reason I know is because this page has come up quite 
regularly in other forums I inhabit where people have analysed the 
site in detail - checking out references to places, people, etc.

Also, if you look around for Better Bowers stuff, it's not always 
that subtle. Sometimes it's extremely obviously parody - the stuff 
actually put on the site tends to be subtle enough to fool people - 
but the other stuff (such as the newsletter) often isn't.

Some people, BTW, take these things seriously - there are people 
out there who believe Betty is real - and follow her words 
religiously. So the ideas are out there.

But the source is parody.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Jun 14 04:36:49 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:36:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <a0.f065a8b.2dfe5550@aol.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEJPCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Well, 'twas our preacher who started Art and me on Harry Potter. <Grin>  And
his wife's sister, the day that Sorcerer's Stone opened in the movies, took
the day and gave her fourth-graders a Harry Potter party, then took all of
them to the movie.

I know that one of the things that separate the Narnia and Hobbit books from
the Potter books for many extremists is that the first two are taking place
in a world other than our own present-day...which is okay.  Rather silly, I
think, but that's one of the big dividing lines.

Add to that, occult symbolism, etc., and the lore from which some of it is
taken...well, more fuel to the fire.

<Sigh> It takes all kinds to make a world, huh?

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Who perhaps should make some Pumpkin Pasties tomorrow if I have the
energy.)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From paulined at optushome.com.au  Mon Jun 14 04:52:37 2004
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:52:37 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj7dm+vhlh@eGroups.com>
References: <caj79d+ft7n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040614143445.025e9858@mail.optushome.com.au>


>
> > > can be found at www.Bettybowers.com (She claims to be America's
>Best
> > > Christian btw).
> >
> > I snipped the ROTFL parts for space, but they make me think that
>that
> > website must be a hoax for mocking Christian anti-HP fears.
>
>
>I don't think so. I actualy think she's as serious as a heart
>attack. Check out the site and scroll down. There are a ton of
>articles shes written about a wide array of topics. She scares me.
>
>Jason


I remember looking at that site a few months ago and thought parts were 
hysterical.  America's Best Christian - ROTFLOL
Definitely a send up site.    A coffee mug with "I gave myself to Jesus and 
now he never calls" doesn't strike me as the writings of a true religious 
zealout  ;)

http://www.cafeshops.com/bettybowers.3932030



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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 06:06:52 2004
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:06:52 -0000
Subject: How Many Folks Are Making It To Ottawa?
In-Reply-To: <20040613212903.51024.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cajf9s+lqsn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...>
wrote:
> 13June 2004
>  
> Hi everyone,
>  
> I'm just curious.  How many are really going to the Con in Ottawa. 
I'm very disappointed that I can't make it and am curious--how many
other group members can't make it there either.  Anybody still undecided?
>  
> ~Paula Gaon

I can't believe it, but I'm actually going.  Finances are tight, but
tix are already purchased, and hubby and I are looking forward to a
weekend away from the kids (who are staying with relatives while we're
across the border).

Here's to another month-and-a-half of staying sane with both children
and hubby at home during summer vacation!

-Jen





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Jun 14 06:35:53 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:35:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <a0.f065a8b.2dfe5550@aol.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEKACOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Well, 'twas our preacher who started Art and me on Harry Potter. <Grin>  And
his wife's sister, the day that Sorcerer's Stone opened in the movies, took
the day and gave her fourth-graders a Harry Potter party, then took all of
them to the movie.

I know that one of the things that separate the Narnia and Hobbit books from
the Potter books for many extremists is that the first two are taking place
in a world other than our own present-day...which is okay.  Rather silly, I
think, but that's one of the big dividing lines.

Add to that, occult symbolism, etc., and the lore from which some of it is
taken...well, more fuel to the fire.

<Sigh> It takes all kinds to make a world, huh?

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Who perhaps should make some Pumpkin Pasties tomorrow if I have the
energy.)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Mon Jun 14 07:25:30 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:25:30 +0100
Subject: OotP  wins a Bram Stoker Award
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15B91903@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

http://www.horror.org/stokers.htm#winners

Apologies if this has done the rounds already, I just picked it up from
Michele on another mailing list. OotP has won the 2003 Bram Stoker Award
in the "Work for Young Readers" category. There was a piece about its
nomination on Leaky, but nothing yet on the win.
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/week_2004_04_04.html#004347

Cheers,

Dumbledad.







From bd-bear at verizon.net  Mon Jun 14 07:51:28 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:51:28 -0000
Subject: SNL HAHA!
In-Reply-To: <1087124697.1DCDF0B6@s5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <cajle0+gc13@eGroups.com>

>>>Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> 

> If anyone missed it, we have a link to a download of it on 
> the-leaky-cauldron.org - if it's not on the front page, go to the 
full 
> text page and use the Search box.<<<

I tried to find this on that site, but it referred me to Mugglenet, 
then I couldn't find it there. Can you be more specific as to how 
you downloaded or watched the clip? Thanks!

Barbara
bd-bear




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 09:10:00 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:10:00 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEJPCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cajq18+iirh@eGroups.com>

Lee wrote:
> I know that one of the things that separate the Narnia and Hobbit 
> books from the Potter books for many extremists is that the first 
> two are taking place in a world other than our own present-
> day...which is okay.  Rather silly, I think, but that's one of the 
big dividing lines.
> 

Pip!Squeak:
It is silly, because the Narnia books don't take place in another 
world for all the books. The children often travel back and forth 
between Narnia and 1950's England (1900's England for The Magician's 
Nephew), and the magic that works in Narnia also works in England 
(just not as strongly).

Lee:
> Add to that, occult symbolism, etc., and the lore from which some 
> of it is taken...well, more fuel to the fire.

Pip!Squeak:
HP is a modern fairy tale (with fairies, and goblins, and all the 
stuff that has been a staple of children's stories for many, many 
centuries). Early Christian practice in England and Europe was 
(generally) not to try and stop such things, but instead to provide 
Christian interpretations. Hence Christmas - it was impossible to 
ban the mid-winter festival; instead a commemoration of Christ's 
birth was deliberately introduced so that the old festival could 
develop a new meaning.

So the anti-HP mob are ignoring that JKR is actually working in an 
incredibly old tradition (which Tolkien and Lewis were also both 
working in) of taking old myths, and reworking them so that they 
stand for new things.  They're looking at the mythic trappings, and 
not seeing the values being introduced.

I honestly think it's a 'power' thing rather than a 'Christianity' 
thing - having also been introduced to HP by my vicar, who likes 
them very much. Banning books, telling kids they can't read certain 
books (even if their parents *don't* disapprove) - to me that all 
smells more of 'who holds the power in this community?'. 

Lee:
> <Sigh> It takes all kinds to make a world, huh?

Pip!Squeak:
<equally deep sigh> That it does.

Pip!Squeak




From bd-bear at verizon.net  Mon Jun 14 09:20:56 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:20:56 -0000
Subject: Fan letters
Message-ID: <cajqlo+hu5g@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone, was wondering if anyone knows the addresses (or how to 
find the addresses) to write to JKR, Chris Columbus and Mike Newell. 
I have a few things to get off my chest about the POA movie, and I 
think rather than just writing a review somewhere and hashing it out 
on these groups, I'd rather send it to them directly in the (far-
reaching) hope that they actually read it one day.

Thanks!

Barbara
bd-bear




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jun 14 13:46:01 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:46:01 -0000
Subject: Betty Bowers (was What I just saw on TV...)
In-Reply-To: <40CDAE4D.22024.17D0B22@localhost>
Message-ID: <caka6p+b11i@eGroups.com>

Shaun wrote, concerning Betty Bowers:

> The site is a parody site - a clever one because its subtle enough 
> to leave people wondering even if they are suspicious - but it is 
a 
> parody.
> 
> You can rest assured on that score.

I have just gone and read the review:

http://www.bettybowers.com/harrypotter.html

I find it hard to believe that anyone who read the whole thing could 
think it other than parody, e.g. 

"...the Lord Jesus using cash registers (a communication device He 
pioneered with Pat Robertson and perfected with Paul and Jan Crouch) 
to sound a battle clarion..."

and

"Satan has clearly thrown down the gauntlet with Harry Potter. He 
has put True Believers on notice that he will not give up until he 
has enticed all of our impressionable children to read books that 
don't start with naked people lying and killing each other (the 
Bible)."

What makes the review a joy to read, though, IMO, is the way the 
parody is used as a vehicle for waspish satire on Hollywood and the 
Sorcerer's Stone movie itself:

"...the movie industry is trying to outflank Christians when it 
comes to creating a fantasy world filled with supernatural 
phenomenon and larger-than-life characters who wear flowing, 
beltless robes and find mortals a constant source of irritation."

Highly commended

David




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Jun 14 18:43:48 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:43:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj79d+ft7n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEKICOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

I have a real problem with someone who either may tout or might be touted to
be a best Christian of any sort!  We're all human on this planet...last I
checked... :-)  This opens all of us to being less than our best at all
times.

I'm sorry, but I hear a lot of interpretation by so-called knowledgeable
Christians concerning the Potter books and many other things and can't help
but wonder if, perhaps, they're having their own faith crisis/insecurity and
are projecting that on others... <Sigh>

Might be a wacky thought, but who knows.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Not always the best Christian, but God hasn't finished with me yet.) :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From IAmLordCassandra at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 19:11:53 2004
From: IAmLordCassandra at aol.com (IAmLordCassandra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:11:53 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
Message-ID: <166.30a627c1.2dff5279@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/14/2004 12:13:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
drednort at alphalink.com.au writes:

> Serious answer - see the link at the bottom to Landover. Landover 
> is probably the most famous of these parody sites on the net.

You know, I had a sneaking suspicision that Landover Baptist might've had a 
hand in it. I hadn't checked the link provided yet, but I know they're subtle 
touch by now.   

Funny thing is, I was just debating with someone who thinks Harry Potter is 
the work of Satan and they linked me to that very sight as their proof XXDDD    


~Cassie~ 


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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 21:51:41 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:51:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEKICOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040614215141.36307.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree! It is ok to have faithe but you don't force your belief system on other people!

"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:I have a real problem with someone who either may tout or might be touted to
be a best Christian of any sort! We're all human on this planet...last I
checked... :-) This opens all of us to being less than our best at all
times.

I'm sorry, but I hear a lot of interpretation by so-called knowledgeable
Christians concerning the Potter books and many other things and can't help
but wonder if, perhaps, they're having their own faith crisis/insecurity and
are projecting that on others... 

Might be a wacky thought, but who knows.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Not always the best Christian, but God hasn't finished with me yet.) :-)

Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead; | N2FGC
Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 21:53:34 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:53:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan letters
In-Reply-To: <cajqlo+hu5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040614215334.21081.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com>

You can only get in touch with J K Rowling through her Publishers, the address on mugglenet. as for the other people, I imagine Warner Bros could help you there!

Barbara <bd-bear at verizon.net> wrote:Hi everyone, was wondering if anyone knows the addresses (or how to 
find the addresses) to write to JKR, Chris Columbus and Mike Newell. 
I have a few things to get off my chest about the POA movie, and I 
think rather than just writing a review somewhere and hashing it out 
on these groups, I'd rather send it to them directly in the (far-
reaching) hope that they actually read it one day.

Thanks!

Barbara
bd-bear




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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 21:56:43 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:56:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <caj4gp+lenc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040614215643.63151.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com>

This is true! By banning a thing, just makes it as popular! You can see this with films. Even if they were successful it would become a cult classic!

Kaisenji <kaisenji at yahoo.com> wrote:What the crap? I was laughin' for days at this. 

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jason" 
> I ignored most of the Christians against Harry Potter mess when it 
> was going on. Just let them have their opinions. I actually thank 
> them because here in South Carolina, they tried banning the books. 
> So, just to see what the fuss was about, I read Chamber of Secrets. 
> Now of course I probably reread one of the books per week.
--------------------------
I just ignore them (being pagan & bi) but I did hit the anti-HP sites
and still do so for kicks. After I'm done laughing at them, I send
informative little notes point out that spewing hate does not make one
godly and frankly whom are they to judge.
Ah well.

> 
> "What barely literate Church of God mother, wishing to homeschool 
> her children about Jesus on plastic-laminated card tables in her 
> damp unfinished basement, stands a chance against the lush 
> glittering allure of the grandly furnished, gothic Hogwarts Academy? 
> Yes, Hogwarts is similar to Christian academies in that no time is 
> squandered teaching history, literature and science (and there are 
> few unsightly non-Caucasian children) but, sadly, that is where the 
> similarity ends! "
=--------------------
I think the concept of "fiction" is missed with this gal.
> 

> "Harry (Daniel Radcliffe), wearing a Dorothy Hamill unisex hairstyle 
> resurrected from the 1970's by America's First Lady Laura Bush, is 
> Jesus Killer Rowling's (and you wonder why she goes by her 
> initials!) homosexual recruitment poster-boy.
-----------------------
Think we should send this to Daniel's people; let 'em send a nice
little no slandering letter to this broad. Gods to be a fly on the
wall if that showed up to her doorstep!

How do we know he is a depraved homosexual? Well, he's English.
Furthermore, when he lives 
> with his dreadful Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia, he sleeps "in the 
> closet." (I never claimed that secular imagery was anymore subtle 
> than our own!) As Harry becomes more attuned to his satanic powers, 
> he comes "out of the closet" and befriends Hagrid (Robbie Coltrane), 
> an old biker "bear" of lascivious intentions."
--------------------------------------
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! (see below for acronym explanation)
Harry gay 'cause he's english?? That's a new one on me! Who woulda
thunk it? Wonder if that's why my ex disappeared after going back to
the UK.
Hagrid the biker with L&L intentions (snorts in tea). How rich is that
one? Oh gods, stop it! Ya killin' me muggle! Tell you what, I'd
rather have Hagrid on my side than this mental muggle anyday. 

> 
> '"Professor Flitwick [Harry's "charms" (wink, wink) teacher] put the 
> class into pairs to practice. Harry's partner was Seamus Finnigan, 
> which was a relief, because Neville had been trying to catch his 
> eye.'"
------------------------------
ROFLMAOTIH!!!!*ditto
Like our Seamus was ain't better, nes pa? Blew 'im and Harry up oi! 
Oh just shocking how much time this one has on her hands. I say we
gather up all our galleons and send them to her with a note to buy a
clue in the game of life. She obviously has been sitting at home
watching too much Pat Robinson while drinking a few too many sweet
teas. Sugar and blatent hatred don't mix, folks. And sniff sniff, do
I smell a bit o' jealousy at our JK Rowling's success while still be
true to her religious path. Oi! 
Let's practice our ignore the muggle charm *wink wink* Remember to
SWISH and flick *wink*

Kai
*Rolling on floor laughing my *** off
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From hgranger919 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 06:32:04 2004
From: hgranger919 at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:32:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What I just saw on TV...
Message-ID: <20040614063204.9830.qmail@web51803.mail.yahoo.com>

Jason said:
>> people who HATE HP. But here are just a couple of passages. The rest 
can be found at www.Bettybowers.com (She claims to be America's Best   
Christian btw). <<


Er, BettyBowers.com is a spoof site, a joke. The site was created to poke 
fun at that type of Christian. 
 
Suzanne




From hgranger919 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 14 21:31:52 2004
From: hgranger919 at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Betty Bowers (was What I just saw on TV...)
Message-ID: <20040614213152.67912.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com>

>From Dave Witley
>> I have just gone and read the review:

http://www.bettybowers.com/harrypotter.html <<


Thanks for posting the link. Betty, as always, is just hysterical!!
 
Suzanne/Hermione
 







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 02:58:50 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:58:50 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <cajq18+iirh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <calola+mu4e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:

snip
> I honestly think it's a 'power' thing rather than a 'Christianity' 
> thing - having also been introduced to HP by my vicar, who likes 
> them very much. Banning books, telling kids they can't read certain 
> books (even if their parents *don't* disapprove) - to me that all 
> smells more of 'who holds the power in this community?'. 
>

See, that is the main problem for me. 


Since I was a little child, I had been taught to respect books.

I learned to love them as dear friends. I cannot say a word of 
respect about people who burn books. ANY books. Especially, when 
people do it in the name of G-d.

Alla





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Tue Jun 15 02:59:18 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:59:18 -0000
Subject: What I just saw on TV...
In-Reply-To: <20040614063204.9830.qmail@web51803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <calom6+1r8q@eGroups.com>

> BettyBowers.com is a spoof site, a joke. The site was created to 
poke 
> fun at that type of Christian. 
>  
> Suzanne

I just discovered this site. It is hilarious, and so is its parent 
site, www.landoverbaptist.org! All the earlier handwringing is a 
perfect example of what happens when something is taken out of 
context. 

MsTattersall, 
still chuckling over "Don't Change Horsemen 
in the Middle of the Apocalypse"




From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jun 15 06:17:33 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:17:33 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cach6q+mcrc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cam49t+b2ic@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...>
wrote:
> > Hans:
Snip..Talking about colleagues, don't ask me how many people I've 
> > converted to Potterism. It must be well over a hundred by now. We 
> > always have a HP calendar of course, and I have about 20 text 
> books  discussing various aspects of HP. We drink from HP mugs and
my wife wears HP socks. Whenever we have visitors the conversation 
> > inevitably turns to HP. My wife always says, "I wondered when 
> you'd get on to that." And we're in our late fiftees! Can anyone
beat that?
> 
> Jen: What a nice story, Hans--can I live at your house? Harry Potter 
> 24/7 sounds fun to me! My own family is lovingly indulgent with my 
> HP obsession, but no one has joined me so far.
> 
> I found HP in a very simple way. Sitting in Barnes & Noble 
> bookstore, watching my son play with the Thomas the Tank Engine 
> train set for the hundreth time, my eyes wandered over to a huge 
> stack of books. This was a few weeks before the GOF release, and the 
> three previous books were on display. Out of pure boredom, I grabbed 
> the Sorcerer's Stone and ended up buying it and COS that very night. 
> I quickly read all four books in succession and read the series four 
> times in a row, total--I just couldn't put it down and still can't!

Karen -
I can relate in so many ways.  I too am in my 50's and Harry Potter is
 an obsession with me.  I too "discovered" the books around the GOF
release, Jen and it has been pottermania ever since. I got hooked on
the tapes a few years ago and I have both the Jim Dale and Stephen Fry
versions.  I just love the HP universe.

My latest twist on this hobby is British shorthair cats.  We have some
friends who named a big beautiful male cat Harry Potter, he was 18th
best cat in the U.S. last year.  We had one cat from them who we named
Ranger Marcus Cole (Bablyon 5 is another one of my favs) and last year
we got one of Harry's kids and we named him Griffyndor Grey.  He just
made grand champion at a show yesterday.  Now we plan to breed a few
cats with Harry as a daddy.  We have a little female who is named
Minerva (Minnie for short) and will be the first mommy cat once she
gets old enough.  Our cattery name- Potterkatz of course.


Here's a link to the Cat Fancier's website, the first picture on this
page is Harry...http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html
Hope to get a webpage so we can post pictures of our fur babies when
they arrive  :)

Thanks!
karen

p.s going to see POA for the second time tomorrow too




From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jun 15 06:21:42 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:21:42 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cam49t+b2ic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cam4hm+p877@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gary Sapp & Karen J.S."
<KAREN-GARY at w...> wrote:
Correction on the link http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html

thanks!

> Here's a link to the Cat Fancier's website, the first picture on this
> page is Harry...http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html
> Hope to get a webpage so we can post pictures of our fur babies when
> they arrive  :)
> 
> Thanks!
> karen
> 
> p.s going to see POA for the second time tomorrow too




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 10:04:57 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:04:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
Message-ID: <20040615100457.85771.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com>

  "Gary Sapp & Karen J.S." <KAREN-GARY at w...> wrote:

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...>
wrote:
> > Hans:
Snip..Talking about colleagues, don't ask me how many people I've
> > converted to Potterism. It must be well over a hundred by now. ...
> Jen: What a nice story, Hans
Karen -
I can relate in so many ways. I too am in my 50's and Harry Potter is an obsession with me.... I just love the HP universe.
My latest twist on this hobby is British shorthair cats. We have some friends who named a big beautiful male cat Harry Potter, ...

Here's a link to the Cat Fancier's website,...http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html
...
Paula now:

Wow! This is wonderful. Knew I'd come to the right place!  I'm also a late middle ager BabyBoomer who can't get enough of HP.  I discovered the series around POA and have read all at least 3 times.  But now, discovering that there are Kitty People on the list is a real bonus.  Have been naming the stray kitties in the neighborhood names from HP for a couple of years now.  Right now, I have a Lily, a Minerva (beautiful swirled Tabby) and a Hagrid.  I even imagine that their personalities similar to the characters. Am also an artist, and HP has really influenced the subject!  Am I starting to go Ga-Ga...? 

Thanks, Karen for the link to Cat Fanciers. Can't wait to see the kitties!  Keep up the good work.

~Paula Gaon





See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 12:02:48 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
Message-ID: <20040615120248.84009.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>


15June04


<KAREN-GARY at w...> wrote:
Correction on the link http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html

Paula:

Just looked at HarryPotter.  He's an absolute beauty!  Congrtulations!

~Paula Gaon




See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

    "...Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning."













		
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From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 15:39:30 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:39:30 -0000
Subject: New and Approved Email Catastrophe
Message-ID: <can57i+d1ed@eGroups.com>

Hello everyone, let me introduce myself....

I'm BBOY_MN and have been a member of this group for a few years,
unfortunately my 'bboy_mn' Yahoo screen name became non-functional
over the weekend. I'll give it a few more days to see if it returns,
if not, then you will see me here under my new ID.

I received a notice in a Yahoo email account that I use for business,
that Yahoo has once again improved it's POP (paid) Email service. That
could be the reason for the problem. 

On the other hand, this would not be the first time that I've had a
paid user-name vanish for no reason at all. It's extremely frustrating
because trying to get an explanation out of Yahoo for the reason an
account has vanished is next to impossible ...correction, it's just
plain impossible.

...a bit of introduction ...a bit of venting.

Steve







From lists at heidi8.com  Tue Jun 15 16:44:05 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:44:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New and Approved Email Catastrophe
In-Reply-To: <can57i+d1ed@eGroups.com>
References: <can57i+d1ed@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f804061509444f0cef0e@mail.gmail.com>

Steve - don't over-worry about this. Yahoo is having problems this
morning for everyone as they switch to larger email boxes in their
competition with GMAIL. Everything should work fine in the next 24
hours or so, according to news reports. You also might want to read
this: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/15/1226202

Heidi

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----- Original Message -----
From: Steve <asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:39:30 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New and Approved Email Catastrophe
To: hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com


Hello everyone, let me introduce myself....

I'm BBOY_MN and have been a member of this group for a few years,
unfortunately my 'bboy_mn' Yahoo screen name became non-functional
over the weekend. I'll give it a few more days to see if it returns,
if not, then you will see me here under my new ID.

I received a notice in a Yahoo email account that I use for business,
that Yahoo has once again improved it's POP (paid) Email service. That
could be the reason for the problem.



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Jun 15 18:37:45 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:37:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cam49t+b2ic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEMNCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.
| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:18 AM
| I can relate in so many ways.  I too am in my 50's and Harry Potter is
|  an obsession with me.  I too "discovered" the books around the GOF
| release, Jen and it has been pottermania ever since. I got hooked on
| the tapes a few years ago and I have both the Jim Dale and Stephen Fry
| versions.  I just love the HP universe.

[Lee]:

The Dale recordings are sooo fantastic!  I got a copy of the first three
books of the Stephen Fry versions...not bad.  The copies weren't super, and
I'd dearly love to find them all.  However, my pocket is very tiny right now
due to some major expenditures and a fixed income. <Sigh>  Plus, I'm not
sure where to get the Fry CDs.

Guess I'm going to put them on my Christmas list.... :-)

I do have the mugs, the four house mugs I got from the Sylvan-Lane site.  I
always save the Slytherin one for whoever I like the least! <BEG>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Jun 15 18:47:49 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:47:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New and Approved Email Catastrophe
In-Reply-To: <can57i+d1ed@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEMOCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Steve aka bboy_mn writes]:

| I received a notice in a Yahoo email account that I use for business,
| that Yahoo has once again improved it's POP (paid) Email service. That
| could be the reason for the problem.

[Lee]:
Ah--yes...another dis-improvement!  I'm seeing things I posted yesterday
morning coming through today, and other things I posted today coming through
today, and threads are getting hard to follow with a lot of the post-delay
affects. <Growl>

[Steve]:
| On the other hand, this would not be the first time that I've had a
| paid user-name vanish for no reason at all. It's extremely frustrating
| because trying to get an explanation out of Yahoo for the reason an
| account has vanished is next to impossible ...correction, it's just
| plain impossible.

[Lee]:
Trying to get any real help is impossible Are there people working there? Or
are they Cylons trying to disguise themselves as people....no, no, wrong
List! :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 20:34:49 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:34:49 -0000
Subject: Stephen Fry audiobooks Was:Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEMNCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <canmh9+90o9@eGroups.com>


> [Lee]:
> 
> The Dale recordings are sooo fantastic!  I got a copy of the first three
> books of the Stephen Fry versions...not bad.  The copies weren't
super, and
> I'd dearly love to find them all.  However, my pocket is very tiny
right now
> due to some major expenditures and a fixed income. <Sigh>  Plus, I'm not
> sure where to get the Fry CDs.
> 
> Guess I'm going to put them on my Christmas list.... :-)

Annemehr:

That's really odd. I was going to recommend the Canadian Amazon
website, but checking it out first, I couldn't see that they sell any
audio books at all. The search I did was for "j.k. rowling" in "all
products," so you'd think they would have shown up if they did sell them.

For US residents who want the UK print editions, the Canadian
Raincoast editions are identical to the British Bloomsbury ones, and
can be ordered from:

http://www.amazon.ca

which is normally cheaper and quicker than ordering from Britain at:

http://www.amazon.co.uk

This site does sell the audiobooks, too. But the question remains:
where do you Canadians get your Stephen Fry audiobooks from? Or am I
just being thick and missing where amazon.ca has stashed them?

Annemehr
planning to order her Raincoast paperback set as soon as it includes
OoP, and who had a hard time listening to Jim Dale's Hermione, *and*
whose yahoo mailbox just went from 58% full to 4% full -- cool






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 21:01:27 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:01:27 -0000
Subject: Stephen Fry audiobooks Was:Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <canmh9+90o9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cano37+9pd9@eGroups.com>

 
> Annemehr, previously:
> For US residents who want the UK print editions, the Canadian
> Raincoast editions are identical to the British Bloomsbury ones, and
> can be ordered from:
> 
> http://www.amazon.ca
> 
> which is normally cheaper and quicker than ordering from Britain at:
> 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk
> 
> This site does sell the audiobooks, too.

Annemehr, back again!:

I did a little more research, and found this site:

http://www.anybook4less.com/

which apparently searches the web for book prices for you, and then
you can click on the links it gives to place an order (i.e. you order
direct from the various booksellers, not from the anybook4less site).
In its search box, when I typed in "j.k. rowling stephen fry" I got
audiobooks read by him. However, it only got me PS and a couple of
boxed sets. Perhaps if you played with what you typed in the search
box, you could find the others. By the way, when I merely typed in
"j.k. rowling" I got an endless supply of editions, in all languages,
and also stuff like pop-up books and coloring books, etc.

Annemehr





From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 23:03:23 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:03:23 -0000
Subject: Great bumpersticker!
Message-ID: <canv7r+vun3@eGroups.com>

I just bought the best bumpersticker ...

Republicans for Voldemort

I got it at www.goats.com and they sell a tshirt with the logo as 
well.

Thought some might be interested.

Suzanne




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Jun 16 02:25:52 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 02:25:52 -0000
Subject: Great bumpersticker!
In-Reply-To: <canv7r+vun3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caob3g+716h@eGroups.com>

<suzchiles at y...> wrote:
> I just bought the best bumpersticker ...
> 
> Republicans for Voldemort
> 
> I got it at www.goats.com and they sell a tshirt with the logo as 
> well.
> 
> Thought some might be interested.
> 
> Suzanne

I like that one, but the one I mentioned in a previous post is still 
my current favorite: It shows the faces of Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and 
Rumsfeld and says "Don't Change Horsemen in the Middle of the 
Apocalypse." (Available from www.bettybowers.com, the site we have 
been discussing lately.)

LOL--and I'm a Republican!
mstattersall




From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 16 03:48:40 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:48:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEMNCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <00f301c45354$d0a09680$e60b8f45@Voov>

What is the url for the Sylvan-Lane site?  I want mugs!  Lol!  Oh and if you
listen to the Jim Dale recording of the fifth book be prepared to almost
literally jump out of your skin!  Hahahaha.

Littlekat





From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jun 16 05:35:24 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:35:24 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <20040615120248.84009.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <caom6s+7jae@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...>
wrote:
> 
> 15June04
> 
> 
> <KAREN-GARY at w...> wrote:
> Correction on the link
http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html
> 
> Paula:
> 
> Just looked at HarryPotter.  He's an absolute beauty!  Congrtulations!
> 
> ~Paula Gaon
> 
Thanks, he's the father of our cat, don't have pictures of Gryiffindor
yet but he looks a lot like Harry.  I just wanted to show people what
a different "Harry" looks like.

Glad someone else is naming their kitties after the potterverse!

Karen




From KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jun 16 05:45:52 2004
From: KAREN-GARY at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:45:52 -0000
Subject: Stephen Fry audiobooks Was:Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cano37+9pd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caomqg+slo0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:

> Annemehr, back again!:
> 
> I did a little more research, and found this site:
> 
> http://www.anybook4less.com/
> 
> which apparently searches the web for book prices for you, and then
> you can click on the links it gives to place an order (i.e. you
order direct from the various booksellers, not from the anybook4less
site).
> In its search box, when I typed in "j.k. rowling stephen fry" I got
> audiobooks read by him. However, it only got me PS and a couple of
> boxed sets. Perhaps if you played with what you typed in the search
> box, you could find the others. By the way, when I merely typed in
> "j.k. rowling" I got an endless supply of editions, in all
languages, and also stuff like pop-up books and coloring books, etc.
> 
> Annemehr

I got my Stephen Fry tapes (1-4) as a christmas present.  My hubby
found them on ebay.uk.  I did find the UK site Cover to Cover books
but I imagine it might be pricey to have them shipped to the states.
http://www.covertocover.co.uk/

To little kat-I checked out the the Sylvan Lane site and it is cool-
here is the link
http://www.sylvanlaneshoppe.com/harry_potter.htm

Enjoy!
Karen




From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 16 13:09:08 2004
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:09:08 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cam4hm+p877@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <capgpk+o9ar@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gary Sapp & Karen J.S." 
<KAREN-GARY at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gary Sapp & Karen J.S."
> <KAREN-GARY at w...> wrote:
> Correction on the link 
http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html
> 
> thanks!
> 
> > Here's a link to the Cat Fancier's website, the first picture on 
this
> > page is Harry...http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html
> > Hope to get a webpage so we can post pictures of our fur babies 
when
> > they arrive  :)
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > karen
> > 
> > p.s going to see POA for the second time tomorrow too

snazzzybird sez:

Harry Potter the cat is gorgeous!  I'm a cat lover too, and have my 
adorable little Angel kitty.  However, we also have pet mice.  My son 
started with two mice, which I honestly didn't think were male and 
female.  Hee!  My son named them Harry and Hermione.  Their first 
litter produced Minerva, Lily, James, Albus, and Hagrid.  We bought 
another cage and split up the boys and the girls, but we weren't 
quick enough.  Hermione's second litter included Sirius, Bella, and 
Trixie.  Angel loves to sit by the cages and watch the mice, and they 
don't seem to mind -- guess they know she can't get to them.

--snazzzybird




From annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun 16 15:51:25 2004
From: annelilucas at yahoo.co.uk (annelilucas)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:51:25 -0000
Subject: Stephen Fry audiobooks Was:Re: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <caomqg+slo0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <capq9t+be63@eGroups.com>

> 
> I got my Stephen Fry tapes (1-4) as a christmas present.  My hubby
> found them on ebay.uk. 
> 
> Karen


It's also possible to download the audio books using a (highly
illegal) file-sharing program (Limewire, eDonkey, KaZaA, Soulseek,
etc.)  I would, of course, definitely not recommend this as it's
against the law, but I friend of mine got the first four books (and
maybe the fifth by now) using this method.  I think she got both the
Stephen Fry and the Jim Dale versions.

Anneli




From bd-bear at verizon.net  Wed Jun 16 16:21:07 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:21:07 -0000
Subject: British Foods
Message-ID: <caps1j+uto2@eGroups.com>

I didn't know if this was worth posting on the main list so I'm 
posting it here. 

I'm from the US and I'm reading the scene in GoF where they're 
having their first feast. Never having been to the UK, I have no 
idea what some of the foods are that they're eating. Can someone 
enlighten me as to what these foods are (and what they're made from) 
so I can get a better sense of Ron's gustatory enjoyment?

treacle tart, spotted dick, chocolate gateau, Yorkshire pudding

And if there's anything else written in the books that might be a 
British delicacy or specialty, please feel free to mention that too!

Barbara
bd-bear




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Wed Jun 16 18:36:31 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:36:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Foods
References: <caps1j+uto2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <038a01c453d0$d7fc36b0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Well, I can tell you about Yorkshire pudding.  It's kinda like sorta like a
really, really thick pie crust.  You put roast beef and gravy on top of it,
and it's heavenly.  We got a recipe from a James Herriott book, of all
things.  One time, my mom made chicken with mushroom sauce, and she made
Yorkshire putting with it.  Gosh, I wish I had me some of that right now, it
turned out so well.  I think chocolate gateaux are something like a cake,
but that's as far as I can take you.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From spin01 at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 21:04:42 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:04:42 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <caps1j+uto2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caqcla+m51b@eGroups.com>


Barbara <bd-bear at v...> wrote:
> I didn't know if this was worth posting on the main list so I'm 
> posting it here. 
> 
> I'm from the US and I'm reading the scene in GoF where they're 
> having their first feast. Never having been to the UK, I have no 
> idea what some of the foods are that they're eating. Can someone 
> enlighten me as to what these foods are (and what they're made 
> from) so I can get a better sense of Ron's gustatory enjoyment?
> 
> treacle tart, spotted dick, chocolate gateau, Yorkshire pudding
> 
> And if there's anything else written in the books that might be a 
> British delicacy or specialty, please feel free to mention that too!


Spotted dick is a pastry that has raisins in it.  That from of all 
things the movie King Ralph with John Goodman, lol.  Hope that helps.  
Have no idea what treacle tart is.  Although in another scene Mr 
Weasly puts treacle in his porrige so maybe it is like cinnamon sugar 
maybe?

sherry




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 16 21:18:13 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: British Foods
Message-ID: <20040616211813.99774.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>


16June04

Barbara wrote:

...I'm from the US... Never having been to the UK, I have no idea what some of the foods are that they're eating. Can someone enlighten me as to what these foods are (and what they're made from)...
treacle tart, spotted dick, chocolate gateau, Yorkshire pudding...

Paula now:

Thanks Barbara, I've been to the UK, and the food there still remains somewhat of a mystery to me--especially the spotted dick.  That name conjures up a very funny image in my head...  Still don't know what treacle tart is either.  Thanks to whoever can enlighten us Yanks.

~Paula Gaon

 




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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 16 21:24:01 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:24:01 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <038a01c453d0$d7fc36b0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <caqdph+dg7p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Well, I can tell you about Yorkshire pudding.  It's kinda like 
sorta like a really, really thick pie crust.  You put roast beef and 
gravy on top of it, and it's heavenly.  We got a recipe from a James 
Herriott book, of all things.  One time, my mom made chicken with 
mushroom sauce, and she made Yorkshire putting with it.  Gosh, I 
wish I had me some of that right now, it turned out so well.  I 
think chocolate gateaux are something like a cake, but that's as far 
as I can take you.  June
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June

*****\(@@)/*****

Ok. Now you have me going.... Here is the recipe I have for 
Yorkshire Pudding (recipe from Joy of Cooking) Have all ingredients 
at 75 degrees F. Take 7/8 cups flour, 1/2 teaspoon salt and make a 
well in the center and pour in  1/2 cup milk and 1/2 cup water. Stir 
in the liquid. Beat two eggs until fluffy and add to batter. 
Continue to beat until large bubbles rise to the surface. Let stand 
covered in the refrigerator for at least one hour and beating it 
again after bringing it back to 70 degrees F. Preheat oven to 400 
degrees F. Have ready a hot ovenproof dish about 9 x 13 inches 
containing about 1/4 cup hot beef drippings, butter or margarine. 
Pour in the batter (it should be about 1/2 inch high). Bake the 
pudding about 20 minutes. Reduce heat to 350 degrees F and bake 10 
to 15 minutes longer. Serve at once.

If you want a variation called Toad in the Hole make the pudding as 
above. Have some sausage links that you precook and put them  onto 
the pudding (I poke them into the batter so they do look like little 
toads in holes!) during the last 10 or 15 minutes of baking time. 
Serve.

We have this all the time in the winter and it is just wonderful. 
Per the cookbook it used to be customary to pour the pudding around 
the roast and cook it that way so the drippings could fall on the 
pudding.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/***** 




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun 16 21:26:39 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:26:39 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Foods
References: <caqcla+m51b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002301c453e8$9cdeed30$bcde6251@kathryn>

Sherry
>
> Spotted dick is a pastry that has raisins in it.  That from of all
> things the movie King Ralph with John Goodman, lol.  Hope that helps.
> Have no idea what treacle tart is.  Although in another scene Mr
> Weasly puts treacle in his porrige so maybe it is like cinnamon sugar
> maybe?
>

K
wrong on both counts unfortunately!

Spotted Dick is a sponge-type pudding (that's not a great description so I
hope there's someone out there better at describing food than me - my
speciality is more along the lines of eating it ...) with raisins in it
usually eaten hot with custard. Treacle tart is usually large and you get
slices of it, it's a round pastry case (sort of like the base for Bakewell
Tart if any of the non-Brits know what that is) filled with a sort of solid
(well not runny anyway) concoction made from golden syrup or treacle (which
are related substance but I'm not sure exactly how they differ other than I
like golden syrup and don't like treacle). Golden syrup is sort of the
consistency of runny honey and tastes similar, treacle is darker and less
runny and icky (in my opinion). A Gateau is simply another word for a cake
(in fact it's the French word for cake) usually layers of sponge and cream
or chocolate, often with fruit, needs to be eaten with a spoon rather than
with your fingers (well you can eat it with your fingers but it'd be really
really messy), Black forest gateau is the first type that springs to mind.

Yorkshire pudding is savoury. It's made from a kind of batter (not pastry
like someone else said) and is cooked in the oven till it's golden brown.
It's light and filled with air. It's round and has a depression in the
middle. They're either very large or individual in size, often covered with
gravy and usually eaten as part of a roast dinner.

But please feel free to brave the yahoo search facility because this comes
up every couple of months.

K




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed Jun 16 21:53:35 2004
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:53:35 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <caqcla+m51b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caqfgv+i7ln@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "spinelli372003" wrote:
> Barbara wrote:
> > Can someone enlighten me as to what these
> > foods are (and what they're made from) so I
> > can get a better sense of Ron's gustatory
> > enjoyment?
> > 
> > treacle tart, spotted dick, chocolate
> > gateau, Yorkshire pudding
> > 
> > And if there's anything else written in the
> > books that might be a British delicacy or
> > specialty, please feel free to mention that
> > too!
> 
> Spotted dick is a pastry that has raisins in
> it.  That from of all things the movie King
> Ralph with John Goodman, lol.  Hope that helps.  
> Have no idea what treacle tart is.  Although
> in another scene Mr Weasly puts treacle in
> his porrige so maybe it is like cinnamon sugar 
> maybe?

The word treacle is theoretically generic for any syrup made in the 
process of refining sugar cane, but light treacle (which apparently 
is not molasses in the US sense of the word) is mostly called golden 
syrup in Britain, I understand, with the word treacle used only for 
the dark molasses.  Treacle can be used also for making toffee, as 
shown at:
http://thefoody.com/sweets/treacletoffee.html

Treacle tarts are basically sweet pies, the filling based on golden 
syrup () mixed with breadcrumbs and flavouring/seasoning (lemon-
juice, ginger).  See sample recipe at BBC:
http://tinyurl.com/26xt2
Golden syrup can apparently be approximated with either a mix of 2 
parts corn syrup and 1 part molasses, or a mix of 1 part each of 
honey and corn syrup.

Spotted dick is a boiled pudding based on suet (hard fat found round 
the kidneys of sheep and oxen).  See sample recipe:
http://www.nakedwhiz.com/spotdick.htm

The abovementioned dictionary defines gateau as being rich fancy 
cake, often served in slices.  See sample recipe for chocolate gateau 
at at:
http://tinyurl.com/2o8mf

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Wed Jun 16 23:00:30 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:00:30 -0400
Subject: a certain motorcycle
Message-ID: <010c01c453f5$b94bc4e0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Over on the main list, they've been talking about Sirius' motorcycle.  What I want to know is, what kind of motorcycle did they use in the first movie?  It sounded to me like a really big Honda Gold Wing, or something.  I doubt it was a Harley.  Anybody have any thoughts?  June, who truly hopes it was a Gold Wing, cause I love those derned things. 
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June

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From lists at heidi8.com  Wed Jun 16 23:25:17 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:25:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] a certain motorcycle
In-Reply-To: <010c01c453f5$b94bc4e0$e60b8f45@Voov>
References: <010c01c453f5$b94bc4e0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <1087428319.26E70A92@w5.dngr.org>

Somewhere on The Leaky cauldron is my report from the WB museum from 
January of 2003, where I got to see the actual motorcycle.

I can't find it now as I'm on a sidekick but it's there and should say 
the brand, if not the model.


On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 7:02pm, Firedancer wrote:
> Over on the main list, they've been talking about Sirius' motorcycle.? 
> What I want to know is, what kind of motorcycle did they use in the 
> first movie?? It sounded to me like a really big Honda Gold Wing, or 
> something.? I doubt it was a Harley.? Anybody have any thoughts?? 
> June, who truly hopes it was a Gold Wing, cause I love those derned 
> things.
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
Siempre revelde!!
June
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From drcarole71 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 00:15:11 2004
From: drcarole71 at yahoo.com (drcarole71)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:15:11 -0000
Subject: british education system
Message-ID: <caqnqf+snl3@eGroups.com>

Hi!  I'm relatively new to the group, and I am an American with a 
question.  What do OWLs and NEWTs in the HP books represent?  What is 
an "ordinary level"?  Is it a class, a test, or both?
Thanks
Carole





From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 00:38:08 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:38:08 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <caqfgv+i7ln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caqp5g+fhqi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pengolodh_sc"
<pengolodh_sc at y...> wrote:
<snip>
This just confirms that I'd propably starve in the UK as none of that
sound good :(
Salads, crumpets, tea, and porridge.  But they have other ethnic foods
so as long as I can find chinese and italian its all good!

Kai





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 01:12:46 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:12:46 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <caqp5g+fhqi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <caqr6e+3cio@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kaisenji" <kaisenji at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pengolodh_sc"
> <pengolodh_sc at y...> wrote:
> <snip>
> This just confirms that I'd propably starve in the UK as none of that
> sound good :(
> Salads, crumpets, tea, and porridge.  But they have other ethnic foods
> so as long as I can find chinese and italian its all good!
> 
> Kai

All *I* need is fish & chips. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And bangers & mash (sausages & mashed potatoes). I recall really
loving British sausages. And curry.

I ate in a school dining room for a year, and to tell the truth, there
wasn't much I *didn't* like!

Annemehr, remeniscing




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 01:21:07 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:21:07 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <002301c453e8$9cdeed30$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <caqrm3+qrik@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...>
wrote:
> Sherry
> >
> > Spotted dick is a pastry that has raisins in it.  That from of all
> > things the movie King Ralph with John Goodman, lol.  Hope that helps.
> > Have no idea what treacle tart is.  Although in another scene Mr
> > Weasly puts treacle in his porrige so maybe it is like cinnamon sugar
> > maybe?
> >
> 
> K
> wrong on both counts unfortunately!
> 
> Spotted Dick is a sponge-type pudding (that's not a great
description so I
> hope there's someone out there better at describing food than me - my
> speciality is more along the lines of eating it ...) with raisins in it
> usually eaten hot with custard.

Annemehr:
Well, "pudding" means vastly different things on either side of the
pond. As far as I can make out, British pudding is most like, maybe, a
cross between a pastry and a cake (and I'm only judging by one
Christmas pudding). American pudding is maybe more like a *very* thick
custard (i.e. you can mound it up on a spoon), and it comes in
flavors. American pudding is milk-based.

Which is also not to mention that in Britain, "pudding" is the generic
term for "dessert" you eat after a meal -- so "What's for pudding?"
over there means the same as "What's for dessert?" over here.

Annemehr







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jun 17 03:31:05 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:31:05 -0000
Subject: Bloomsday Centennial
Message-ID: <car39p+khkn@eGroups.com>

It would be remiss of us if our literate group failed to acknowledge 
the 100th anniversary of Bloomsday, so named because the epic saga of 
Leopold Bloom, Stephen Dedalus and company all takes place on June 16 
(and into the wee hours of the 17th), 1904. Dublin as you might 
expect is making the most of the occasion.

http://www.rejoycedublin2004.com/

   - CMC (it's now 10:30 p.m., the 100th anniversary of the Oxen of 
the Sun episode. And coming up at midnight: Circe!)




From bd-bear at verizon.net  Thu Jun 17 03:59:36 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara D. Poland-Waters)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:59:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <caqrm3+qrik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBIEOCHIAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>

>>>From: annemehr [mailto:annemehr at yahoo.com]

Well, "pudding" means vastly different things on either side of the
pond. As far as I can make out, British pudding is most like, maybe, a
cross between a pastry and a cake (and I'm only judging by one
Christmas pudding). American pudding is maybe more like a *very* thick
custard (i.e. you can mound it up on a spoon), and it comes in
flavors. American pudding is milk-based.

Which is also not to mention that in Britain, "pudding" is the generic
term for "dessert" you eat after a meal -- so "What's for pudding?"
over there means the same as "What's for dessert?" over here.<<<

That's a very good point. . .Maybe that's why I'm still finding the
descriptions of British foods to be somewhat confusing. Because in my mind,
"pudding" doesn't go along with some of what has been described.

Thanks to everyone who has tried to explain though!

Barbara
bd-bear




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jun 17 05:51:26 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:51:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] british education system
In-Reply-To: <caqnqf+snl3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEPLCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: drcarole71
| Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 20:15 PM
|
| Hi!  I'm relatively new to the group, and I am an American with a
| question.  What do OWLs and NEWTs in the HP books represent?  What is
| an "ordinary level"?  Is it a class, a test, or both?

[Lee]:
OWL is Ordinary Wizarding Level, exams for which are held in Fifth year.

NEWT is Nastily Exhausting Wizarding Test; they are given in Seventh year.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
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From naama2486 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 07:54:05 2004
From: naama2486 at yahoo.com (Amanar)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:54:05 -0000
Subject: I *didn't* fail my driving test!
Message-ID: <carimt+7429@eGroups.com>

Hi all!

Some of you might remember a very sad Amanar posted she failed her 
driving test about a month ago. Well, She DIDN'T fail the second one!
Hooray!

Your replies really helped back then. You are the *Best*!


--A very grateful, *very* pleased Amanar 
(and no, I didn't get the same tester again. Thank goodness)




From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 17 07:55:16 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:55:16 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <caps1j+uto2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <carip4+7b43@eGroups.com>

"Barbara" <bd-bear at v...> wrote:
> Can someone 
> enlighten me as to what these foods are (and what they're made
from) 
> so I can get a better sense of Ron's gustatory enjoyment?
> 
> treacle tart, spotted dick, chocolate gateau, Yorkshire pudding
> 
> And if there's anything else written in the books that might be a 
> British delicacy or specialty, please feel free to mention that too!

I went googling and found a rather good-looking site with loads of
recipes. Try looking at the following:

*Treacle Tart
http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/british/treacle-tart1.html

*Spotted Dick
http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/british/00/rec0010.html

*Yorkshire Pudding
http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/british/yorkshire-pudding1.html
http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/british/yorkshire-pudding2.html

*Chocolate Gateau
Not certain which of many types this might be, but my personal
favourite is "Black Forest Gateau"
http://www.recipesource.com/baked-goods/desserts/cakes/08/rec0897.html

HTH HAND and send me samples if you make any :-)
-- 
Phil




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Jun 17 08:26:00 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:26:00 +1000
Subject: Old poem
In-Reply-To: <carip4+7b43@eGroups.com>
References: <caps1j+uto2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40D1E238.16707.207EBB1@localhost>

During the course of this week, going through some old papers, I 
found the following which I wrote for an English assignment when I 
was 14 years old (and I handed it up as well). Seeing I've quite 
often discussed my schooling on this and the main list, I thought 
I'd just give everybody a glimpse of the thoughts of Shaun Hately, 
aged 14. (And this teacher was one of the Snape like ones I mention 
- although in his case, I helped to make him that way, so I can't 
complain at all!)

*****

I didn't ask for it. This mind that seems to so repulse you.
It's not my fault I'm different in a way you cannot stand.
I cannot understand why a man like you could fear me.
But fear is what I see in you - it's either that or hate.

I can't think that you hate me - because I've seen the time 
you take
To help me when I've needed it in any other way.
Except when in your class room - and then you seem to feel 
that
You must destroy me utterly, to make me just the same.

I threaten you? I think so. But I really do not mean to.
I'm just a boy and you're a man with my mind in your grasp.
You could hold it and caress it, and help it grow and 
prosper
Or crush it into cubeness so it fits into the pile.

I know you are a poet, so I'm trying this to tell you,
Sir, I don't want special treatment, I just want my chance 
to shine.
I'm hating all the hiding that I'm finding I must go through
To make myself acceptable in this place I've found myself

You call yourself a teacher, well teach me, Sir, I beg you.
I am at your disposal, so please don't throw me out.
I can't see how it harms you, to teach the person I am
Instead of teaching me that who I am just doesn't count.

It seems I'm not the person you want to spend your time on
I know you entered teaching to try and make things fair
I think you feel that nobody should be allowed to do well
Unless it's everybody - but is it fair to make me wait?

You're not just sitting back, Sir, and letting me learn 
nothing
Instead you're leaving me to fall back from what I used to 
do
If you want to help the weak, then please I beg you help me
Because I'm just not strong enough to do this on my own.

I want to learn, so much, Sir, that I really truly taste it
Those things that lie on edges just beyond the things I know
But every day I sit down in your class room, I retreat from
The places I could go if you would just give me a chance.

I'm arrogant, perhaps, to think my crude verse might just 
move you
But there's nothing left for me unless I make you understand
I don't want to be this way - I just want to be normal
But I didn't get a choice and I cannot turn it off.

I don't claim to be special, I don't want any privilege
I just want to be shown that it's OK to be myself.
Let me learn what I am able, without feeling like it's 
wrong, Sir
I have never asked for anything, but I am begging you

I know you do not hate me, I hope I'm wrong about you
Being scared of me, or finding me repellant to your views
But I'm hurting as I write this, and I don't like pain at 
all, Sir
That's how much I need to say this - now it's really up to 
you.

*****



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jun 17 08:46:06 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:46:06 -0000
Subject: british education system
In-Reply-To: <caqnqf+snl3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <carloe+jokl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "drcarole71" 
<drcarole71 at y...> wrote:
> Hi!  I'm relatively new to the group, and I am an American with a 
> question.  What do OWLs and NEWTs in the HP books represent?  What 
> is an "ordinary level"?  Is it a class, a test, or both?
> Thanks
> Carole

Similar exams used to be taken in English and Welsh (muggle) schools 
at 15 to 16 and 17 to 18. JKR seems to be basing her OWLS and NEWTs 
loosely around these 'O' levels (Ordinary levels) and 'A' levels 
(Advanced Levels).

The 'O' level is now called the GCSE (General Certificate of 
Secondary Education). 

They're public examinations, examined/assessed by teachers outside 
your particular school, judged to a national standard. Like the 
OWLS, they often have a theory and a practical component. The new 
GCSE's also include a coursework section.

The 'ordinary' is because many English and Welsh schoolchildren 
leave school at 16 (though most are going on to some kind of 
vocational work based education, rather than the academic school 
based). So 16 is when 'ordinary' education stops; the final 
two 'advanced' years are more academic and often based on the 
assumption that most of the students will be going on to college.

Pip!Squeak




From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Thu Jun 17 12:37:55 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:37:55 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I *didn't* fail my driving test!
In-Reply-To: <carimt+7429@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CGEKJJCJGOLNJLCPJCJJKEJKCMAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Well done Amanar!!! congratulations on passing this hurdle.

Delaus Dingle, having not much sense, is sending up sparks in your area of
the world

storm



-----Original Message-----
From: Amanar [mailto:naama2486 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2004 5:54 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I *didn't* fail my driving test!


Hi all!

Some of you might remember a very sad Amanar posted she failed her
driving test about a month ago. Well, She DIDN'T fail the second one!
Hooray!

Your replies really helped back then. You are the *Best*!


--A very grateful, *very* pleased Amanar
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From ekrbdg at msn.com  Thu Jun 17 12:38:40 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:38:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I *didn't* fail my driving test!
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Yes, I remember !!!!    Congrats to you Amanar !   :-)
 

> Hi all!
> 
> Some of you might remember a very sad Amanar posted she failed her 
> driving test about a month ago. Well, She DIDN'T fail the second one!
> Hooray!
> 
> Your replies really helped back then. You are the *Best*!
> 
> 
> --A very grateful, *very* pleased Amanar 
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> 
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From bd-bear at verizon.net  Thu Jun 17 12:45:43 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:45:43 -0000
Subject: Arithmancy
Message-ID: <cas3pn+6s0n@eGroups.com>

Anyone have any idea what arithmancy is from clues or canon? I don't 
know if it's supposed to be math or magical or what!

Barbara
bd-bear




From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 17 13:50:13 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I *didn't* fail my driving test!
References: <carimt+7429@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <044601c45472$03d37090$e60b8f45@Voov>

Congratulations, Amana!  Well done!!!!  Hugs!

Littlekat




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 08:07:49 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] british education system
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEPLCOAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20040617080749.39791.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com>

I think the first post was asking if there was an actual examination given to students in year five and seven within the British educational system and if so, what is it's significance.

"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:
| From: drcarole71
| Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 20:15 PM
|
| Hi!  I'm relatively new to the group, and I am an American with a
| question.  What do OWLs and NEWTs in the HP books represent?  What is
| an "ordinary level"?  Is it a class, a test, or both?

[Lee]:
OWL is Ordinary Wizarding Level, exams for which are held in Fifth year.

NEWT is Nastily Exhausting Wizarding Test; they are given in Seventh year.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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From ariadnedrue at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 13:10:53 2004
From: ariadnedrue at yahoo.com (ariadnedrue)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:10:53 -0000
Subject: Potter Haters
Message-ID: <cas58t+aodu@eGroups.com>

As I was walking into work this morning, minding my own everloving 
business (re-reading book 3) I was confronted by one of the most 
inane acts of idiocy I have ever had the priviledge to witness.  
There were people standing outside the subway waving pamphlets 
called "The Children of Satan III".

Guess what they're protesting. Ya got it.  Potter.  Now, I have no 
problem with people deciding that they don't want their children to 
watch the movies or read the books.  That's their decision.  But my 
children watch it because I want them to understand that none of it 
is real. People should give their children the ability and knowledge 
to be able to go through life being able to make decisions on their 
own, and not follow the crowd.  They can't see the story of the boy 
whose life was a living hell until the age of 11.  If they could get 
past the magic, they would see the story of an normal teenager, and 
the problems that any one of them could be going through today.

I thought this was a free country.  Maybe the freedom of religion has 
gone to their heads.  Encourage your children and friends to keep 
their minds open, who knows what they'll find inside.





From grannybat at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 14:20:07 2004
From: grannybat at hotmail.com (grannybat84112)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:20:07 -0000
Subject: Old poem
In-Reply-To: <40D1E238.16707.207EBB1@localhost>
Message-ID: <cas9an+b1ri@eGroups.com>

Shaun Hately risked the baring of his 14-year-old soul:

> (And this teacher was one of the Snape like ones I mention 
> 
> I didn't ask for it. This mind that seems to so repulse you.
> It's not my fault I'm different in a way you cannot stand.
> I cannot understand why a man like you could fear me.
> But fear is what I see in you - it's either that or hate.

Oh, my.

Handing in that paper took a lot of courage--or desperation.
How did the teacher react to your poem, Shaun?

Grannybat





From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Jun 17 15:12:17 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:12:17 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBIEOCHIAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cascch+i0v7@eGroups.com>

Annemehr wrote:
 
>>> Well, "pudding" means vastly different things on either side of 
the pond. As far as I can make out, British pudding is most like, 
maybe, a cross between a pastry and a cake (and I'm only judging by 
one Christmas pudding). American pudding is maybe more like a *very* 
thick custard (i.e. you can mound it up on a spoon), and it comes in
 flavors. American pudding is milk-based.>>>

I think this is where the problem stems from - because there is one 
specific use for the term "pudding" in US English, it's natural to 
assume that we will also have one usage, and we don't. The pudding 
which you describe, I think I would call a whip or Angel Delight. In 
Britain, the term pudding has a number of different uses, including 
the generic term for a sweet or dessert after the main meal - we do 
also use the terms dessert and sweet as well.

Pudding can be savory or sweet. We would be very unlikely to get 
confused, as the puddings are well known. For instance, Black 
Pudding is like a sausage made of blood. Please don't ask me why 
anyone would want to eat it; I'm vegetarian, and the concept revolts 
me, but people often have it with a traditional "Full English 
Breakfast". Then there is Steak and Kidney Pudding, which is also 
savory. As the name suggests, it's steak and kidney. It's cooked in 
suet pastry, in a pudding basin. 

Yorkshire pudding is also savory and is really like pancake batter - 
our pancakes have a different consistency though to American ones. 
People often have Yorkshire Pudding as an accompaniment to roast 
beef, although you can make "giant" Yorkshire Puddings which are the 
size of the plates: you simply the put the rest of your meal in the 
pudding.

I'm not sure that you would put a Yorkshire pudding in with the 
meat, simply because there probably wouldn't be enough room - unless 
you were making lots of small ones. I don't cook Yorkshire Pudding 
in dripping, oil is perfectly ok, and is vegetarian of course!

I read somebody's description of suet, which sounded foul, so for 
the record, I should also say that it's very easy to get vegetarian 
suet!

Whilst JKR mentions all these puddings and traditional British 
foods, it is a fact that we are moving away from them. Chicken Tikka 
Masala has overtaken Fish and Chips as the Nation's favourite dish. 
British foods are very heavy, and in our modern, sedentary life 
style, nolonger so appropriate. They are all still readily 
available, but in a menu which will include versions of dishes from 
all over the world. Modern British Cuisine has a very international 
flavour which Hogwarts meals don't depict. 

On the subject of US/UK differences, I also find the use of 
the "entre" confusing (have I even spelt it right?). In Britain, 
that phrase refers to the starter, and in the US, it's the Main 
Course.

I think that the Lexicon has got quite a large section of British 
food.

Ali


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From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Thu Jun 17 15:31:18 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Foods
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15BDCE07@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,
 
Ali usefully said:
>>> Pudding can be savoury or sweet. We would be very unlikely to get
confused, as the puddings are well known. For instance, Black Pudding is
like a sausage made of blood. Please don't ask me why anyone would want
to eat it; I'm vegetarian, and the concept revolts me, but people often
have it with a traditional "Full English Breakfast". Then there is Steak
and Kidney Pudding, which is also savoury. As the name suggests, it's
steak and kidney. It's cooked in suet pastry, in a pudding basin. <<<
 
I'll less usefully reply:
Oh, that is torture. I'm veggie too (since 1984) but I still miss foods
like that. My mum would often serve black pudding for breakfast (don't
believe Ali, it is gorgeous, really strong taste with chewy lumps of fat
in). And mum's steak and kidney pudding was absolutely the best
foodstuff I have ever eaten. I'm on a diet at the moment so I cannot
even go off and raid the chocolate biscuits to stop the drooling.
 
Cheers,
 
Dumbledad.
 
PS I do Delia's Christmas pudding every year
http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/r_0000001234.asp Don't believe Delia,
it is worth doing it early at the beginning of November and letting it
mature. It's great with brandy butter and rum sauce, and of course you
should poor brandy over it and set fire to it as you bring it to the
table.


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Jun 17 16:31:10 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:10 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <carip4+7b43@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cash0e+eb0j@eGroups.com>

Phil Boswell wrote:

> *Spotted Dick
> http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/british/00/rec0010.html

I went and had a look at the recipe, and, yes, you do see things for 
sale called Spotted Dick which probably follow these general lines.

However, I'm pretty sure that the stuff we had at school was suet-
based, which IMO makes quite a difference.

Anyone with a Mrs Beeton to hand?

David

Steak and kidney pudding: yum!




From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Thu Jun 17 16:57:50 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:57:50 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Foods
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15BDCE4E@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,
 
David:
>>> I went and had a look at the recipe, and, yes, you do see things for
sale called Spotted Dick which probably follow these general lines.

However, I'm pretty sure that the stuff we had at school was suet-based,
which IMO makes quite a difference. <<<
 
Delia's Spotted Dick definitely has suet in:
http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/r_0000000839.asp
<http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/r_0000000839.asp> 
 
While I'm on Delia, did anyone else love the Aidan Smith "Song to Delia
Smith"? Here are the lyrics:
 
Delia, I'd like to feel your 
hands upon my chopping board tonight.
Good-looking, 
what you got cooking
underneath the T.V. kitchen's electric light.

You share my name
I'll share your fame
we're just the same
we both like brandy

Delia, I'd like to peel your 
apron off like you peel that onion skin.
Delia, let's make a meal, yeah
Stay with me and we will never thin

I like your eyes
and your chicken pies
oh, realise your perfect recipe with me
 
It is a fantastic song. Well worth the price of the whole CD.
 
Cheers,
 
Dumbledad.



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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 18:41:34 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
Message-ID: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>

17June04
 
Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now here's another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look, it's fun.  I came up Ron Weasley.
 
Here's the link:
http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/  
 
~Paula Gaon



See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun 17 18:56:05 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:56:05 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] After the Sorting Hat...
References: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002801c4549c$be32d410$bcde6251@kathryn>

I chose the "Harry Potter is annoying" option and yet ended up being Harry -
what does this say about my mental state I wonder?

K
"The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paula Gaon" <paulag5777 at yahoo.com>
To: "chatter" <hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:41 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] After the Sorting Hat...


> 17June04
>
> Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now here's
another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look, it's fun.  I came
up Ron Weasley.
>
> Here's the link:
> http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/
>
> ~Paula Gaon
>
>




From michel56 at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 17 19:18:44 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:18:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I *didn't* fail my driving test!
References: <carimt+7429@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c4549f$e886d420$ecb0aa18@earthlink.net>

I remember it, Amanar, and Big Congratulations to you on passing!
Way to go!  I am sure you are quite pleased to have that behind you now..<grin>

Michele
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amanar 

  Hi all!

  Some of you might remember a very sad Amanar posted she failed her 
  driving test about a month ago. Well, She DIDN'T fail the second one!
  Hooray!

  Your replies really helped back then. You are the *Best*!


  --A very grateful, *very* pleased Amanar 
  (and no, I didn't get the same tester again. Thank goodness)


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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 19:45:15 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Arithmancy
In-Reply-To: <cas3pn+6s0n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040617194515.61104.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com>

Barbara <bd-bear at verizon.net> wrote:
> Anyone have any idea what arithmancy is from clues or canon? I 
> don't know if it's supposed to be math or magical or what!


I always thought of it as numerology.  That, or a Logic class.  I can see Hermione enjoying that course.

kemper mentor 




From ekrbdg at msn.com  Thu Jun 17 20:52:50 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:52:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] After the Sorting Hat...
References: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c454ad$0f1f4740$6ee6f943@hppav>

> 17June04
>
> Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now here's
another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look, it's fun.  I came
up Ron Weasley.
>
> Here's the link:
> http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/


I was Hermione, not what I expected !

Kimberly


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From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 17 22:02:39 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:02:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Arithmancy
In-Reply-To: <cas3pn+6s0n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040617220239.53331.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com>

It is another form of fortune telling, but through mathmatics. the alpahbet is divided into 9 columns and given a value. With these you can calculate your name, if the value of ur name comes to a number over 9, you but reduce it by adding the digits together until you get to this number. You can then refer to the legend which describes what kind of person you are. But that is not all! You can consult this to find out which foods are beneficial to you alone, what car you should drive, what street you should live on etc. If these have the same number as yourself, then its good news. Sort of like a mathmatical feng shui!!

Barbara <bd-bear at verizon.net> wrote:Anyone have any idea what arithmancy is from clues or canon? I don't 
know if it's supposed to be math or magical or what!

Barbara
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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 22:14:00 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:14:00 -0000
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <007b01c454ad$0f1f4740$6ee6f943@hppav>
Message-ID: <cat538+l762@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly" <ekrbdg at m...> 
wrote:
> > 17June04
> >
> > Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now 
here's
> another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look, it's 
fun. 

A lurker resurfaces: That was fun! I came out Ginny, but I really 
think I ought to have been either Colin or Dennis Creevey, I'd 
definitely be the one memorizing Harry's schedule and make sure I ran 
into him several times a day just to say "Hello Harry." I'd also be 
painfully excited about falling into the lake and getting pushed out 
again by a giant squid. Yep, that's me.

Sophia




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 22:40:17 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:40:17 -0000
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cat6kh+l07c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...> 
wrote:
> 17June04
>  
> Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now 
here's another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look, 
it's fun.  I came up Ron Weasley.
>  
> Here's the link:
> http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/  
>  
> ~Paula Gaon
> 
> 
> 
> See the Magical Creatures.
> 
> http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142
> 
> They are all together now.
> 
>     "...Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the 
morning."
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

Hee hee! I was Hermione!

Dudemom_2000






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 22:59:38 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:59:38 -0000
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <cat6kh+l07c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cat7oq+m5qa@eGroups.com>


> > Here's the link:
> > http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/  
> >  
> > ~Paula Gaon

> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> Hee hee! I was Hermione!
> 
> Dudemom_2000

I was Hermione, too. Both times -- this time, and once months ago when
I ran across this and took it -- and I know I answered some of the
questions differently!

Hmmm...may be something to H/H after all...

Annemehr





From ekrbdg at msn.com  Fri Jun 18 01:17:02 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:17:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: After the Sorting Hat...
References: <cat538+l762@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <03f801c454d1$f747ea80$6ee6f943@hppav>

 > A lurker resurfaces: That was fun! I came out Ginny, but I really
> think I ought to have been either Colin or Dennis Creevey, I'd
> definitely be the one memorizing Harry's schedule and make sure I ran
> into him several times a day just to say "Hello Harry." I'd also be
> painfully excited about falling into the lake and getting pushed out
> again by a giant squid. Yep, that's me.
>
> Sophia


I wonder what all the character choices are.     I think it was the "I told
you
so choice" that did me in..  *G*

Kimberly


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From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 01:53:19 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:53:19 -0000
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cathuf+r8sr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...> 
wrote:

> Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now here's 
another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look, it's fun.  
I came up Ron Weasley.
>  
> Here's the link:
> http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/  
>  
> ~Paula Gaon

Here's another lurker coming out. I was Harry, which really suprised 
me. Thought sure I'd be Neville if anyone. Brave but not self 
confident. I am a lurker, after all! 

Donna




From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 18 02:10:10 2004
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (dan)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:10:10 -0000
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <03f801c454d1$f747ea80$6ee6f943@hppav>
Message-ID: <catiu2+g623@eGroups.com>

Kimberly <ekrbdg at m...> wrote:
> I wonder what all the character choices are.     I think it was 
the "I told
> you
> so choice" that did me in..  *G*

With Javascript just click View source and the script is visible

	var harry = 0;
	var ron = 0;
	var hermi = 0;
	var draco = 0;
	var neville = 0;
    var dudley = 0; 
    var ginny = 0;






From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 02:49:07 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:49:07 -0000
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <catl73+bpuv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...>
wrote:<snip>

Well I came out Ginny which totally suprised me.  On the first
question, I clicked "He's complicated" figuring that along with my
sorting into Hufflepuff and a few other laid back questions would make
me either Neville or som'it else.

However, after reading OotP again, Ginny IS a bit of a surprise ain't
she? 
*wicked smile*




From ladygator_29609 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 22:09:34 2004
From: ladygator_29609 at yahoo.com (Pamela Jordan Paras)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:09:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Potter Haters
In-Reply-To: <cas58t+aodu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040617220934.23635.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank You!
 
I am a devout Roman Catholic and I love the Potter books!  I have one child so far and my husband and I have already bought copies of the books for her although she's only nine months old.
 
I don't understand the anti-Potter stance of Christians, especially those who let their children watch any Disney movie.
 
(As a matter of fact, I got the following from my holier-than-thou mother today: Hey There, 
Have you ever heard of John Ankerberg?.....Well he is a minister, I guess, I was getting ready for bed tonight and I turned the t.v. on, and it was still on the channel that I was watching this morning,the inspiration channel, anyway, there was this lady on there talking about the Harry Potter movies,(I have seen her on John Hagee also), and how children shouldn't be watching them, that it was an  a cult type movie, then Mr. Ankerberg was quoting scripture on witchcraft, it was very interesting,here is his web site:johnankerberg.org., go on it and tell me what you think. I mean it made sense to me and I have read these scriptures myself. 
I'll talk to your later,love my babies for me, Bella and Terri,and telll them to love you back for me, LOL, Mom)
 
There is an anti-Potter thread on this Christian site, www.mylifeafter.com, under the debate boards.
 
I'll never understand... 
 
Pam

ariadnedrue <ariadnedrue at yahoo.com> wrote:
As I was walking into work this morning, minding my own everloving 
business (re-reading book 3) I was confronted by one of the most 
inane acts of idiocy I have ever had the priviledge to witness.  
There were people standing outside the subway waving pamphlets 
called "The Children of Satan III".

Guess what they're protesting. Ya got it.  Potter.  Now, I have no 
problem with people deciding that they don't want their children to 
watch the movies or read the books.  That's their decision.  But my 
children watch it because I want them to understand that none of it 
is real. People should give their children the ability and knowledge 
to be able to go through life being able to make decisions on their 
own, and not follow the crowd.  They can't see the story of the boy 
whose life was a living hell until the age of 11.  If they could get 
past the magic, they would see the story of an normal teenager, and 
the problems that any one of them could be going through today.

I thought this was a free country.  Maybe the freedom of religion has 
gone to their heads.  Encourage your children and friends to keep 
their minds open, who knows what they'll find inside.




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From lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 02:32:36 2004
From: lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com (linda williams)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:32:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <cat6kh+l07c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040618023236.54831.qmail@web50706.mail.yahoo.com>

  Just tried the placement test and came up Draco Malfoy...having recently gotten in touch with my Slytherin side    ;)   Honestly, have there been any other Slytherins out there?
 
Linda





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 03:34:33 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:34:33 -0000
Subject: Potter Haters
In-Reply-To: <20040617220934.23635.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <catns9+bvn9@eGroups.com>

Pam's Mom's email, in part:

then Mr. Ankerberg was quoting scripture on witchcraft, it was very
interesting,here is his web site:johnankerberg.org., go on it and tell
me what you think. I mean it made sense to me and I have read these
scriptures myself. 

Annemehr:
<evil grin>
I'm Catholic, too... But after more than a year's experience arguing
HP canon over on the main list, I have no doubt I could cobble
together scripture quotes to support *any* idea!

If I get a chance, though, I'll try to visit those sites, just to look.

Oh well, Pam, maybe some day you'll actually persuade her to read the
books!

Annemehr








From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 04:09:45 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 04:09:45 -0000
Subject: Yeah. Right. WHATever. Re: Potter Haters
In-Reply-To: <catns9+bvn9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <catpu9+97fg@eGroups.com>

Anyone can make any kind of text fit their particular viewpoint if you
play with the words long enough, get enough gullible muggles
purchasing the "pamplets of truth" *Weasley-like snort of disbelief*
and it doesn't matter what path you walk people do it to make THEIR point.
Anyway what sane person would believe everything told to them by some
hollywood PR person? HELLO! PR person stands for-sell the product no
matter what! 
Sites like this are frequently used as laugther makers in my book.
They talk, make rubbish up and I laugh.
But..what if...they are right to say that HP is dangerous! It may...it
may MAKE your kids STOP watching tv for a MINUTE to....*gulps*  READ!
*screams bloody murder before running away*

Kai
*who believes these anti-potter/anti-witchcraft/anti-new age/anti-etc
folks are the Lockharts of their particular religion*







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jun 18 04:43:02 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 04:43:02 -0000
Subject: Potter Haters
In-Reply-To: <20040617220934.23635.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <catrsm+u697@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Pamela Jordan Paras 
<ladygator_29609 at y...> wrote:
> Thank You!
>  
> I am a devout Roman Catholic and I love the Potter books!  I have 
one child so far and my husband and I have already bought copies of 
the books for her although she's only nine months old.
>  
> I don't understand the anti-Potter stance of Christians, especially 
those who let their children watch any Disney movie.

Especially given all those sexual messages secretly encoded in The 
Little Mermaid (hey, I'm just kidding).

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/minister.htm

Seriously, folks both here and on the mainlist are forever impugning 
this group of people called "Christians" as Potter haters, despite 
the fact that the great majority of Christians (in so far as they 
bother themselves about children's book) regard HP in a positive 
light (including your humble correspondent) 

Enough of name-calling - Do we actually have any data on this? Has 
anyone ever actually taken a public opinion poll or done any kind of 
demographic analysis as to exactly what percentage of Christians are 
pro- or anti-Potter, or whether fundamentalists are really (as a 
group) more vehemently anti-Potter than the mainstream denominations?

If so, I'd like to see it.

   - VMV






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jun 18 04:47:35 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:47:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I *didn't* fail my driving test!
In-Reply-To: <carimt+7429@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEBACPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

You wrote:
| Hi all!
|
| Some of you might remember a very sad Amanar posted she failed her
| driving test about a month ago. Well, She DIDN'T fail the second one!
| Hooray!
|
| Your replies really helped back then. You are the *Best*!
|
|
| --A very grateful, *very* pleased Amanar

[Lee]:
Congratulations!

Bring on the butter beer! :-)

Cheers,
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jun 18 04:57:40 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:57:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Old poem
In-Reply-To: <40D1E238.16707.207EBB1@localhost>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEBBCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: Shaun Hately
| Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:26 AM
|
| During the course of this week, going through some old papers, I
| found the following which I wrote for an English assignment when I
| was 14 years old (and I handed it up as well). Seeing I've quite
| often discussed my schooling on this and the main list, I thought
| I'd just give everybody a glimpse of the thoughts of Shaun Hately,
| aged 14. (And this teacher was one of the Snape like ones I mention
| - although in his case, I helped to make him that way, so I can't
| complain at all!)

<Snip>

[Lee]:
Gorgeous! Very mature for a 14-year-old. :-)

I don't see how you could have made your teacher a Snape; I'd say that I
have to wonder how our Snape would react if Harry or even Neville wrote
something like that.  <Sigh>...Probably not.

Later,

Lee :-)
(Without her sweetheart for the weekend...WAAAAAH!!)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jun 18 05:37:50 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:37:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEBBCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: Paula Gaon
| Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 14:42 PM
|
| Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now
| here's another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look,
| it's fun.  I came up Ron Weasley.

[Lee]:
Well, I came up Ginny :-)

Trouble is...I ain't got the red head!  It was once brown with occasional
red highlights; now it's more brown with a fair bit of gray. :-)

Maybe I should get some red henna? :-)

Lee

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.|





From jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com  Fri Jun 18 06:20:36 2004
From: jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com (mooseming)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:20:36 -0000
Subject: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBIEOCHIAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cau1jk+aivv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Barbara D. Poland-Waters"
<bd-bear at v...> wrote:
> >>>From: annemehr [mailto:annemehr at y...]
> 
> Well, "pudding" means vastly different things on either side of the
> pond. As far as I can make out, British pudding is most like, maybe, a
> cross between a pastry and a cake (and I'm only judging by one
> Christmas pudding). American pudding is maybe more like a *very* thick
> custard (i.e. you can mound it up on a spoon), and it comes in
> flavors. American pudding is milk-based.
> 
> Which is also not to mention that in Britain, "pudding" is the generic
> term for "dessert" you eat after a meal -- so "What's for pudding?"
> over there means the same as "What's for dessert?" over here.<<<
> 
> That's a very good point. . .Maybe that's why I'm still finding the
> descriptions of British foods to be somewhat confusing. Because in
my mind,
> "pudding" doesn't go along with some of what has been described.
> 
> Thanks to everyone who has tried to explain though!
> 
> Barbara
> bd-bear

Pudding is an historical name and comes from the old German for
sausage! In the UK we still eat black pudding which is a blood sausage.

Why it is the generic term for dessert I have no idea, but it is!

Otherwise puddings can be savoury or sweet and I believe the shared
name comes from the pudding bowl in which the food is prepared or
cooked. Also the differentiation between sweet and savoury is a fairly
modern development since the mass introduction of processed sugar in
the seventeenth century (on which huge fortunes were made). Before
that all manner of things were deemed sweet which would surprise us
now, for example suet, the hard waxy fat from around the kidneys of
sheep and cattle, was used to sweeten foodstuffs (yeuk!).

A Yorkshire pudding is so named because it was a popular form of
staple for the working class in the county of Yorkshire in England.
Its essentially a batter made of flour, milk and egg, mixed in a
pudding bowl and then baked in the oven in animal fat. It was served
before the main course to bulk out the meal so that when the meat was
served it could be more meagrely apportioned among the large numbers
it needed to feed. The pudding would be served on its own with the
juices and fats from the roasted meat poured over it (which is really
very nice). It is now served in smaller portions with roast meat in
the main course, together with roast potatoes and vegetables like
cabbage, carrots or brussel sprouts and gravy, this is the essential
English roast dinner and still the most popular meal amongst the British.

In a recent poll however, the top ten foods were dominated by Indian
and Thai curries and Chinese food.

JKRs menu at Hogwarts is not representative of what children in the UK
eat today, that would be burgers, pizza, pasta, curry etc. In some
ways it is not historically accurate either like much of Hogwarts
culture it is an idealised fantasy of a time somewhere around the
beginning of the 20th century that never really existed.

More information than you wanted???!

To return the favour (grin) could you please tell me what on earth are
'grits' and why anyone would want to eat them????

Regards
Jo




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 06:38:51 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Potter Haters
In-Reply-To: <20040617220934.23635.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040618063851.44098.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Pamela Jordan Paras <ladygator_29609 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
there was this lady on
> there talking about the Harry Potter movies,(I have
> seen her on John Hagee also), and how children
> shouldn't be watching them, that it was an  a cult
> type movie, then Mr. Ankerberg was quoting scripture
> on witchcraft, it was very interesting,here is his
> web site:johnankerberg.org., go on it and tell me
> I'll never understand... 

I went to that website and took the quiz about how
much you know about Harry Potter and the thing that
strikes me is that all of the questions I got wrong
were "wrong" because the source of his information was
the Dictionary of Occultism. Obviously in the
Dictionary of Occultism things such as wizard are
goint to be defined as doing bad magic. It seems as
though whoever wrote that quiz has not read the books
and haven't taken into consideration that Harry Potter
and the Occult are not the same thing! I really think
that if these critics would just read the books with
an open mind they would see that they are harmless. 
I didn't want to get into this as it's really early in
the morning but since I chimed in I guess I should
just bring it up now. The other day I was at Walmart
with a friend who wanted to buy POA so we went to the
book aisle and they didn't have it so she got COS. She
flipped through it and said there was a pamphlet or
coupon in it and she looked at it and just handed it
to me. "Thousands of Degrees Hot! And not a drop of
water. THE BURNING HELL. Tortured lost souls burning
forever!" Though it does not directly address Harry
Potter, it is appaling. The front has a black, white
and red illustrations of human heads on fire. I won't
type the whole thing but particularly memorable
phrases include "[Jesus] left the streets of gold and
the rejoicing of angels, to come to this earth to be
crucified, so that you and I could escape THE BURNING
HELL," and "My Friend, I beg you in the name of Jesus,
to turn from your sinful, wicked ways and claim a new
life with Jesus Christ." 
I didn't get a chance to do it that day because the
friend I was with was in a hurry, but when I go back
I'm going to talk to customer service. What if I child
had gotten one of the books with the pamphlets in it?
I swear, these people give Christians a bad name. And
just in case there was any doubt, I removed the
pamphlet from every book that contained one.

~Kathryn, who really enjoyed the book "What's A
Christian to do with Harry Potter?" because it's by
someone who has actually read the books (and likes
them too)

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From esk at europa.com  Fri Jun 18 10:24:26 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:24:26 -0000
Subject: Arithmancy
In-Reply-To: <20040617220239.53331.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <caufsq+6sfl@eGroups.com>

<waynegregory23 at y...> wrote:
> It is another form of fortune telling, but through mathmatics. the 
>alpahbet is divided into 9 columns and given a value. With these 
>you can calculate your name, if the value of ur name comes to a 
>number over 9, you but reduce it by adding the digits together 
>until you get to this number. You can then refer to the legend 
>which describes what kind of person you are. But that is not all! 
>You can consult this to find out which foods are beneficial to you 
>alone, what car you should drive, what street you should live on 
>etc. If these have the same number as yourself, then its good news. 
>Sort of like a mathmatical feng shui!!

That's certainly the more popularized form of Arithmancy--Numerology-
-which in many ways resembles Astrology in the way it focuses on the 
personality traits of the different numbers. There is a deeper 
esoteric aspect of it, though. At a theoretical level the numbers 
represent certain energies which can be tapped into by using the 
numbers themselves. Some are easy to make sense of, such as 1 
representing supreme individualism, and 2 representing duality and a 
degree of dependency. Probably one aspect of arithmancy that you 
might have been exposed to in school (but not aware that it was 
esoteric) are magic squares. Basically they are squares with rows of 
numbers laid out in a square where the numbers added together are 
the same horizontally, vertically and diagonally. I learned in 
school the basic one which was:

4  9  2
3  5  7
8  1  6

Apparently there are particular magic squares that are associated 
with the energies of different celestial bodies (the one I've shown 
is apparently associated with Saturn). The one that represents the 
moon has 9 rows! People dabbling in this sort of thing would 
inscribe them on objects much like sigils or runes in order to have 
a magical effect on the object as an amulet.

The basic idea of all this is that numbers themselves have certain 
energies that affect the people, places or things that are 
associated with them, and that you can change destiny by working the 
numbers around to suit the direction you want things to go.

My knowledge of this doesn't really come from an occultist point of 
view, but from a Jungian perspective of being fascinated with 
archetypes. I don't really believe in numerology, although when I 
facetiously did a numerology workup of myself, many of the results 
were eerily accurate. The idea of changing your name to change your 
destiny or slavishly creating your child's name to suit the 
direction you want their life to go is a bit much.

I did notice, though, that there is some attention to numbers in the 
Harry Potter books. Much has been discussed about the reoccurrence 
of the numbers 12 and 13, but I found that there is a strong 
association with the number 11, which is considered in numerology as 
a master number, associated particularly with illumination. Harry's 
wand is 11 inches (as is his father's), the number of the vault 
where the Philosopher's Stone was kept was #713 which adds up to 11, 
and Harry stays in room #11 at the Leaky Cauldron. More importantly, 
both Harry's name and birthdate reduce to 11 (although for his 
birthdate it depends on which adding method you use as to whether 
you get 11 or 2).

The other characters that seem to have significant numbers 
associated with them are Voldemort and Lily Potter. It isn't an 
accident that "Tom Marvolo Riddle" is an anagram for "I am Lord 
Voldemort", as this keeps the number value the same. Tom's name 
reduces to the number 16, which in numerology is considered a Karmic 
Debt number. This number is particularly associated with the dark 
arts, as the number 7 (which 16 reduces to) is associated with great 
scholarly erudition and intellect, and the Karmic Debt with its 
corruption. The numbers in Voldemort's wand length also add up to 
16. 
Lily's is significant, as when you analyze her full married name you 
get the master number 33. This is sometimes called the Christ 
number, as it is associated with great sacrifice for the good of 
humanity. 
There was one numerology author whose characterizations of different 
number types seemed uncanny, particularly so with the 
interpretations of Harry Potter and Voldemort's name numbers. I've 
quoted verbatim from the website at http://www.decoz.com below.

11 as a Expression (Harry Potter's name) number:
"Yours is the most highly charged Expression number of all. You are 
like a lightning rod, attracting powerful ideas, intuitions, and 
even psychic information like unpredictable bolts. You are a 
powerful presence without any awareness on your part of having 
personal power. You are a channel for higher vibrations. But in 
order to be emotionally and psychologically at peace, you must learn 
to control that flow of energy. You possess a bridge between the 
unconscious and the conscious. The trouble is that the unconscious 
is an infinite resource, while consciousness by definition is a 
limited arena. The two are therefore at odds until they can learn to 
live in harmony with each other. This is where control comes in. 
Until you are able to control the flow of energy from this infinite 
source, you may feel like a victim of its whimsy, thrown about by 
emotional turmoil and nervous tensions. 
You have always sensed that you are different, but it was an 
indefinable feeling. You are enormously sensitive and aware, 
especially as a child. This made you vulnerable to all conflicts and 
painful situations. For most of your upbringing, however, you did 
not realize that other people did not possess the same sensitivity, 
nor did they see the same things you were seeing. This caused a 
great reservoir of emotion that was dammed up behind an inability to 
express your feelings, even to yourself. For this reason, most 11 
Expressions have a difficult childhood. Your extreme sensitivity 
made you very shy as a child. This usually manifests in adulthood as 
hesitation and acute vulnerability. You are very careful about 
sharing your feelings with others and choosing your friends. You 
compensated for your sense of separation in childhood by creating an 
elaborate fantasy world. You daydreamed more than other children. 
You have a lively imagination and even in adulthood have a hard time 
separating reality from fantasy. 
Your challenge is to bring forth your primitive, earthy strength. 
You need to be grounded in order to deal with your lightning bolts. 
The more you are able to call upon your inherent human strength, the 
greater your capacity to take advantage of your extremely sensitive 
awareness. Once this is accomplished, your antagonist becomes your 
benefactor. You are highly emotional and dependent upon 
relationships. Emotionally, you go up and down with the fortunes of 
your love life. You are idealistic, impractical, and at times 
disorderly. You are often unrealistic in your expectations. Your 
reasons for doing things are usually born of a mixture of logic, 
emotion, and intuition, which can rarely be explained satisfactorily 
to your more rational associates. 
The 11 Expression is the number most dependent upon other core 
numbers in your chart for insight into your vocation. The 11 charges 
every area it enters, but it needs a grounding vocation and 
discipline to be effective. A balanced 11 is one of the most unique 
and impressive of all people. It is gifted with insight and 
illumination, which it can transmit to others. This makes you a 
natural teacher in whatever area you enter."

16 as a Karmic Debt number (Voldemort):
"The 16 Karmic Debt -- wherever it shows up on the chart -- means 
destruction of the old and birth of the new. The 16 is about the 
fall of the ego, and all that it has built for itself. It is a 
watershed, a cleansing. All that has been constructed, and all that 
serves to separate the person from the source of life is destroyed. 
Through the 16, reunion with the great spirit is accomplished.
This can be a painful process, because it usually comes after much 
ego inflation. This results in a struggle between the ego and the 
divine will. Life presents challenges to your grand plans, which can 
be resented and struggled against. It is a lost battle, and you will 
likely feel humbled in the face of the collapse that follows. This 
humility is the key to later success, however, because you will 
learn to follow the intimations of a higher reality. In the 
destruction of the old, a spiritual rebirth takes place with an 
entirely new awareness. This rebirth affects every area of your 
life. It is a life much the better for the fall.
Those with the 16 Karmic Debt must be careful of egotism. Very 
often, those with the 16 use their highly intuitive and refined 
intellect to look down upon others, and view the rest of the world 
as inferior. This causes acute alienation and loneliness. In 
addition, it invites retribution, for the egotist is humbled more 
harshly than any other.
When the 16 is in one of the core numbers, this process of 
destruction and rebirth is a continual cycle that actually serves to 
bring you into higher consciousness and closer union with the source 
of life.
The 16 Karmic Debt can be a path of progress and great spiritual 
growth if it is looked at properly. One develops great faith by 
placing one's life in the hands of God. Through such faith, 
gratitude and peace are firmly established."

Spooky, ain't it? Somehow I don't think Voldemort is going to follow 
his advice . . . ;-)

Cindy





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jun 18 10:29:47 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:29:47 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Old poem
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEBBCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
References: <40D1E238.16707.207EBB1@localhost>
Message-ID: <40D350BB.23020.80D63B@localhost>

On 18 Jun 2004 at 0:57, (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The  wrote:

> [Lee]:
> Gorgeous! Very mature for a 14-year-old. :-)
> 
> I don't see how you could have made your teacher a Snape; I'd say that I
> have to wonder how our Snape would react if Harry or even Neville wrote
> something like that.  <Sigh>...Probably not.

Well, calling this particular teacher Snape-like is something of a 
joke - although he could be very much that way at times, at least 
with him, I always knew he genuinely did have my best interests at 
heart when he did it. There were other teachers who I was far less 
sure about - today, I am convinced they did. At the time, I wasn't 
at all sure.

The reason I say it about this teacher is that he took this poem 
*very* seriously when he read it. And decided, more or less, that 
if I wanted what I said I wanted, he would make every effort he 
could to make sure that I got it. *But* if he was going to make 
that effort, he expected me to do the same - nothing less than 
total commitment became acceptable in his classes. If he detected 
anything less than 100% effort from me, at any time, he hammered me 
for it.

The truly Snape like teachers were in an entirely different league.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From grannygoodwitch613 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 12:08:24 2004
From: grannygoodwitch613 at yahoo.com (Granny Goodwitch)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
Message-ID: <20040618120824.66688.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com>

 
18.6.04

Paula wrote:

Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat. Now here's another
placement test, "Which Kid are you?"...
Here's the link:
http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/

~Paula Gaon
See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.



Grannygoodwitch responds:

After a really long lurk, I'm back!  Just took the kid test and as I'd expected, came up Hermione.  I admit that like Dan, took a look at the code; is that cheating?  

By the way, Paula, looked at you Creatures.  They're really beautiful, but I'd like to see a few more kitties...

~Grannygoodwitch

 



		
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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 12:24:21 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: After The Sorting Hat...
Message-ID: <20040618122421.58661.qmail@web40005.mail.yahoo.com>

18June04
 
Grannygoodwitch wrote:
By the way, Paula, looked at you Creatures....but I'd
like to see a few more kitties...

Paula now:
 
Thanks, Grannygoodwitch for the kudos.  I'll definitely keep your kitty request in mind.  Even though I came up Ron, unlike him, I do love kitties as well as kneazles--must have a bit of Hermione in me too.
 
Paula Gaon



See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

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From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Fri Jun 18 13:14:11 2004
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:14:11 -0400
Subject: Grits! (was Re: British Foods)
Message-ID: <40D2EAA3.1070709@rcn.com>

Jo asked:

> To return the favour (grin) could you please tell me what on earth are
> 'grits' and why anyone would want to eat them????
> 
> Regards
> Jo

Now I (Tammy) reply:

Oooh, you've never had grits?  Oh my, you're missing out on one heck of a comfort food!  Okay, grits (or hominy grits) is a Southern dish, made from hominy: hard white corn soaked in mild lye (stop making that noise, it's for long-term storage!) and re-dried; grits is coarse-ground hominy meal, cooked in water for 20 or 30 minutes, until it's a very thick porridge.  No self-respecting Southerner uses instant grits, of course!  Grits is generally served with your basic Southern breakfast -- ham or bacon or sausage, eggs, grits, biscuits and gravy (made with cream and flour, cooked in the pan you fried the meat in) . . . you know, 'simple fare'.  ;-)  On its own, grits has a mild, though distinctive flavor -- not quite salty, certainly not sweet, but not bitter or biting in any way -- that is imparted by the lye.  Plain old corn meal doesn't taste the same *at all*!  Grits is usually served with butter, salt and pepper, and often with cream gravy as well, though it's sometimes served with honey or syrup instead.  Many people love to melt cheese over their grits (obviously not the sweetened-grits-eaters), and some I know like to stir an egg into the grits as they cook, or break an egg over the piping-hot grits on the plate, and let that cook the egg.  For myself, I much prefer to have my fried eggs *beside* my grits and mix the runny portion of the yolk into the grits, rather than deal with actual *raw* egg on my food.  Of course, tastes do vary, and I've met several people who "don't like grits", but almost all of them had either never actually *tried* grits, or had only had it once or twice as children.  My mother grew up with grits, but didn't share it with us kids until we were long grown, though she often served us hominy (the plain, lye-soaked corn before drying) and we loved it.  I've loved grits since I first tried it as an adult.

-- 

***
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Fri Jun 18 13:06:35 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:06:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Potter Haters
References: <20040618063851.44098.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <026c01c45535$1598ce60$e60b8f45@Voov>

I'm sorry, but I have no use for people who use those tactics.  I won't get
in to detail, because I don't want to start anything, but it's like this.  I
have no problemwith folks who are honestly ignorant, but those who wear it
like a badge really get my dander up big time.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 18 13:36:46 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:36:46 -0000
Subject: Grits! (was Re: British Foods)
In-Reply-To: <40D2EAA3.1070709@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <caur5e+fdtg@eGroups.com>

Tammy:
> Oooh, you've never had grits?  Oh my, you're missing out on one 
heck of a comfort food!  Okay, grits (or hominy grits) is a Southern 
dish, made from hominy: hard white corn soaked in mild lye (stop 
making that noise, it's for long-term storage!) and re-dried; grits 
is coarse-ground hominy meal, cooked in water for 20 or 30 minutes, 
until it's a very thick porridge.  No self-respecting Southerner 
uses instant grits, of course!  Grits is generally served with your 
basic Southern breakfast -- ham or bacon or sausage, eggs, grits, 
biscuits and gravy (made with cream and flour, cooked in the pan you 
fried the meat in) . . . you know, 'simple fare'.  ;-)  

Jen: Grits! I grew up on grits because my Dad loved them. We ate 
them mostly how you described, as part of a typical eggs/bacon/toast 
breakfast. Occasionally I'd add milk, sugar and butter for a hot 
cereal. And instant grits are not the same!

I didn't know about the lye part though--ick.

Jen, who thoroughly enjoyed Tammy's Ode to Grits




From ladygator_29609 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 04:55:32 2004
From: ladygator_29609 at yahoo.com (Pamela Jordan Paras)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potter Haters
In-Reply-To: <catns9+bvn9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040618045532.61403.qmail@web61108.mail.yahoo.com>

annemehr <annemehr at yahoo.com> wrote:
Pam's Mom's email, in part:

then Mr. Ankerberg was quoting scripture on witchcraft, it was very
interesting,here is his web site:johnankerberg.org., go on it and tell
me what you think. I mean it made sense to me and I have read these
scriptures myself. 

Annemehr:

<evil grin>
I'm Catholic, too... But after more than a year's experience arguing
HP canon over on the main list, I have no doubt I could cobble
together scripture quotes to support *any* idea!

If I get a chance, though, I'll try to visit those sites, just to look.

Oh well, Pam, maybe some day you'll actually persuade her to read the
books!

Pam responds:

LOL.  My mom is a die-hard Southern Baptist.  (I am a convert to Catholicism.)  Back in 2000, she would moan and groan about these "Satanic Novels."  So, one afternoon, I went to her house with the first DVD in tow and made her watch it.  She LIKED it! When CoS came out, she went to the theaters to see it.
 
Of couse now she is flip-flopping AGAIN.  Go figure.  She doesn't like to read, so I doubt that I'll ever get her to read them. Some folks are hopeless, I guess...






From sfischer at hunter.com  Fri Jun 18 13:44:45 2004
From: sfischer at hunter.com (Fischer, Shari)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:44:45 -0500
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
Message-ID: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>

Hi all -

Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has thought about
who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the big
screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a little disappointed when
I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think she should play both
characters!  What do you think?


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From ariadnedrue at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 12:54:27 2004
From: ariadnedrue at yahoo.com (ariadnedrue)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:27 -0000
Subject: Potter Haters
In-Reply-To: <20040618063851.44098.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cauom3+6r2j@eGroups.com>

You are so correct.  I find those pamphlets, and people standing 
outside the subway saying things like "Children of Satan III, if your 
read one and two you'll love three" very offensive.  

I know lots of 'christians'.  I was told by one of my co-workers 
about the reference to to witchcraft in the Bible. But as she says, 
she doesn't put go out in the streets and talk about it, she just 
doesn't watch or read it.  Another co-worker however, went on and on 
about how anything that was out of the normal (telepathy, etc.) could 
be considered abnormal and against God, to which I asked her, if a 
child is born with these powers, does it immediately make him a spawn 
of Satan?  I explained to her that there are things in this world 
that neither religion NOR Science can explain, and that everyone 
should keep an open mind.  

Harry Potter is a work of fiction, written by an incredible person 
who was able to create an alternate world with such detail that a lot 
of people can actually picture it existing.  Sure a lot of people 
take it to the extreme (i.e. the fanfiction conference last year), 
but all things are taken to the extreme by someone at some point, 
even and especially religion.  As I explain to my friends for every 
evil there is a catalyst (yin and yang).  So why if there are 
supposedly people who have 'sold their souls for power, couldn't 
there also be people here for good who have that same power?  That's 
a question that they can't answer. I have nothing against christians, 
and this line isn't meant to bash them. I cannot stand people who 
cannot think for themselves.





From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 15:08:43 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:08:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
Message-ID: <20040618150843.9268.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>


18June04

Shari wrote:

"...I would love to know if anyone else has thought about
who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the big screen!..."

Paula now:

Good question.  I'm way behind on movies, but the whole time that I was reading OotP, kept imagining that Umbridge looked like a WC Fields in drag.  Which actor or actress has such a look?

Paula Gaon







See the Magical Creatures.

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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Fri Jun 18 15:15:27 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:15:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
References: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <033a01c45547$162096d0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Did y'all se the moovie Hocus Pocus with Bette Middler?  Listen, all she'd
have to do would be to tone it down just a tad, and she'd make a perfect
Dolores--at least I'm sure she does have the right voice to do it if she
wanted to.  As to what she looks like, I can't even hazzard a guess since
I'm totally blind.  But my vote goes for Miss M.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From helenhorsley at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 18 15:29:17 2004
From: helenhorsley at hotmail.com (dorapye)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:29:17 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cav1od+q8bh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fischer, Shari" 
<sfischer at h...> wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
thought about
> who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the 
big
> screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a little 
disappointed when
> I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think she should play both
> characters!  What do you think?
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

dorapye:
Yes! You know, as I was readign OotP, it was Dawn I imagined 
speaking Dolores's lines - I know she can do that simpery, sickly 
girly voice just perfectly. And I have absolutely no doubts that she 
could act the role on screen to perfect Canon. The only problem I 
envisaged with her in ther ole is that she is too pretty to play 
such a vile creature - round she might be, and I'm sure she could 
do 'squat' adequately, but the pouchy, bulgin eys and the wide, toad-
like mouth.....I couldn't see how she pull that off.

Until I saw her Xmas special with Jennifer Saunders.  She was made 
up like an old woman in milk-bottle glasses and curly grey wig and 
it occurred to me, that with the wonders of modern make-up 
technology, even Dawn French could look thoroughly repulsive!

So I, like you Shari, was disappointed to see her in PoA as the Fat 
Lady (a waste of her talents, surely?).  But I agree - I think it 
does not have to rule her out for playing Umbridge, since I'm quite 
sure she will be unrecognisable as DU.

In fact, I'd be willing to place bets that she will get the role.  
There could be no one better suited to play it.

dorapye




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Jun 18 15:48:06 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:48:06 -0000
Subject: After the Sorting Hat...
In-Reply-To: <20040617184134.72426.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cav2rm+vgie@eGroups.com>

> Well, we've probably all been throught the Sorting Hat.  Now here's 
another placement test, "Which Kid are you?"  Take a look, it's fun.  
I came up Ron Weasley.
>  
> Here's the link:
> http://pages.prodigy.net/hpdevo/quiz/  
>  
> ~Paula Gaon
> 
After answering as honestly as possible, to my dismay, I came out 
Percy Weasley. Harrumph! I'm going to take this up with Mr. Crouch 
straight away!
mstattersall




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Fri Jun 18 21:05:49 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:05:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grits! (was Re: British Foods)
References: <caur5e+fdtg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <016b01c45578$083209b0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Sorry, folks, I'm from the South and I can't stand grits.  Now give me a
plate of crispy hash browns, not home fries, mind you, and I'm a happy
camper.  And if you serve that up to me with some Smithfield ham, good
bacon, mountain sausage, fresh orange juice by the half-gallon, what can I
tell you?  I'll have had enough bad cholesterol for six months, but my mouth
would be ever so happy!  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From joym999 at aol.com  Fri Jun 18 21:56:04 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:56:04 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cavodk+aoql@eGroups.com>

Margaret Thatcher

--JMC




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Fri Jun 18 22:33:30 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:33:30 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cavodk+aoql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cavqjq+ntuj@eGroups.com>

Joywitch provactively suggested:

> Margaret Thatcher>

Are you trying to ruin my weekend? Mentioning that person has made 
me feel quite unwell...

I can imagine Patricia Routledge aka Hyacinth Bucket as Dolores. 
Dawn French could do the evilness magnificiently, but she is younger 
than my personal image of Umbridge.

Ali






From stbinch at actionsd.com  Fri Jun 18 23:04:18 2004
From: stbinch at actionsd.com (stevebinch)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:04:18 -0000
Subject: West of the web
Message-ID: <cavsdi+ie7g@eGroups.com>

My wife is about as muggle as they come. She's not much of a Harry
Potter fan. But she does like to write short stories. She has posted
one of them on www.westoftheweb.com, and is hoping to get some good
critique. I was wondering if any of you are looking for something to
read, you wouldn't mind helping her out. Here is the link.

http://www.eastoftheweb.com/uncut/node/view/3951

Thanks

-Steve




From fc26det at aol.com  Fri Jun 18 23:22:11 2004
From: fc26det at aol.com (Potterfanme)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:22:11 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cavqjq+ntuj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cavtf3+bs6b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> Joywitch provactively suggested:
> 
> > Margaret Thatcher>
> 
> Are you trying to ruin my weekend? Mentioning that person has made 
> me feel quite unwell...
> 
> I can imagine Patricia Routledge aka Hyacinth Bucket as Dolores. 
> Dawn French could do the evilness magnificiently, but she is 
younger 
> than my personal image of Umbridge.
> 
> Ali

Potterfanme:

Delurking for this one!  Kathy Kinney from the Drew Carey Show was 
who I pictured through the book.  Much shorter of course but we 
already know she can be evil and she already does the simpering 
little girl voice plus she is already made up very garish!




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 23:28:05 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:28:05 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cavtq5+nsie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fischer, Shari" 
<sfischer at h...> wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
thought about who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes 
it to the big screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a 
little disappointed when I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think 
she should play both characters!  What do you think?
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

Dawn French would come across too nice for me as Umbridge. She was 
just brilliant as the Fat Lady, though! 

When I first read OoP, I imagined Umbridge like Roz in Monsters, 
Inc. She is squat and I loved the voice they used and the laugh - 
he, he, he, he! I was actually sort of disappointed when I heard JKR 
read her in the sickly sweet voice. I still hear Roz' voice when I 
read Umbridge's parts!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From paulined at optushome.com.au  Fri Jun 18 23:56:02 2004
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:56:02 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of
  Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cavodk+aoql@eGroups.com>
References: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040619094025.02a46c38@mail.optushome.com.au>


>Margaret Thatcher
>
>--JMC


ROTFLOL!  Brilliant!    Shame she is a bit past it.  I think Judi Dench 
could be an incredible Umbridge.   I woner how old she (Umbridge) is.

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From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Sat Jun 19 01:08:00 2004
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:08:00 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cavtq5+nsie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb03lg+r1i1@eGroups.com>

> (snip)

> When I first read OoP, I imagined Umbridge like Roz in Monsters, 
> Inc. She is squat and I loved the voice they used and the laugh - 
> he, he, he, he! I was actually sort of disappointed when I heard 
JKR 
> read her in the sickly sweet voice. I still hear Roz' voice when I 
> read Umbridge's parts!
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

LOL   
I am a lurker here, and was seriously thinking to de-lurk to say 
exactly the same thing. I always pictured Umbridge like Roz, you 
know, the toad-like face and everything; I had to keep reminding 
myself that Umbridge could not be green. It's a relief to know I am 
not the only one who had that image of Umbridge :)

Cheers
Gabriela




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sat Jun 19 03:03:15 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:03:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of  Delores Umbridge?
References: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20040619094025.02a46c38@mail.optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <001e01c455a9$f79cf830$e60b8f45@Voov>

Problem is, I don't think Margaret Thatcher has the poice for it.  She's
more on the alto side, and I pictured Delores as more of a second soprano.
No, now that I think of it, whoever is cast would need a full range, from a
midrange alto to a first soprano.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 03:43:47 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:43:47 -0000
Subject: Grits! (was Re: British Foods)
In-Reply-To: <caur5e+fdtg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb0cpj+oidd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...>
wrote: <snip>
Dang I love grits! A favorite treat around here and my Mom makes the
best. Don't knock the quick cook; if prepared carefully its the bomb!
 Mom can't stand the little pieces of corn bits (blacks, yellows etc)
so she carefully picks them out.  Results? Creamy, smooth grits
waiting for butter, salt & pepper & mixed with eggs. That's the only
way I like to eat 'em.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, grits.

Kai
terribly hungry right now.




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 03:48:44 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:48:44 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <033a01c45547$162096d0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cb0d2s+fq34@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer"
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Did y'all se the moovie Hocus Pocus with Bette Middler?  Listen, all
she'd
> have to do would be to tone it down just a tad, and she'd make a perfect
> Dolores--
-------------------
Argh! No! I couldn't stand it if she were in it. She's a big mouth but
not enough malice in her looks to be a real evil person. Besides, I
prefer a brit actor (so no one has to fake an accent *shivers*).
As to who? Hm.
Dunno...
Gods, wish I knew more brit actresses. Anyone know anything about the
women who play on 'Eastenders'? Perhaps someone from there.

Kai




From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 04:06:03 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:06:03 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cavtf3+bs6b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb0e3b+e7re@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> > Joywitch provactively suggested:
> > 
> > > Margaret Thatcher>
> > 
> > Are you trying to ruin my weekend? Mentioning that person has made 
> > me feel quite unwell...
> > 
> > I can imagine Patricia Routledge aka Hyacinth Bucket as Dolores.
----------------------
Kaisenji here:
Yeah...yeah she could do in a pinch but she's a bit on the tall side,
oi? Perhaps the woman who plays her sister.  She might be nice on that
show but with a bit o' makeup...oh yeah..and she's perfect height n' all.
And........no need to fake the accent!

Kai






From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 19 04:09:51 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:09:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of  Delores Umbridge?
References: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20040619094025.02a46c38@mail.optushome.com.au> <001e01c455a9$f79cf830$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <007501c455b3$45266e70$e60b8f45@Voov>

I'm sorry but my brain must be addled or something but I can imagine the
voice of Tiny Tim being Umbrage's voice.  Only problem with him is that he
is dead!  Hmm but who else?  I have no blooming idea!

Littlekat





From jmmears at comcast.net  Sat Jun 19 04:10:21 2004
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:10:21 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cb0ebd+akab@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fischer, Shari" 
<sfischer at h...> wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
thought about
> who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the 
big
> screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a little 
disappointed when
> I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think she should play both
> characters!  What do you think?


No, I do like Dawn French but I don't think she's a good enough 
actress for Umbridge.  I've seen her in many different things, but 
she's always very much the same (too much so, IMO, for the Fat Lady).

The only actress who comes to mind for the part is Judy Cornwell, 
who may be known to Americans from the tv show, Keeping Up 
Appearances.  She plays a very sweet, simple character in the 
program but I suspect she could really get her teeth into playing 
Umbridge.  Here's a link to a website with her picture.

http://www.kartelle.com/actors/keepingup/Judy/judy.html


Jo Serenadust, who can't believe anyone could imagine the lovely 
Judy Densch as the toadlike Delores Umbridge :D.




From littlekat10 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 19 04:12:18 2004
From: littlekat10 at comcast.net (Littlekat10)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:12:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
References: <cb0d2s+fq34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c455b3$9d02cd50$e60b8f45@Voov>

I had another thought.  How about getting some one to visually play the part
and getting Jim Dale to be the voice?

Littlekat





From EQMJ at aol.com  Sat Jun 19 05:07:08 2004
From: EQMJ at aol.com (equmj)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 05:07:08 -0000
Subject: Fandom Dissertation Help
Message-ID: <cb0hls+gcp9@eGroups.com>

I'm doing my dissertation on slash fan fiction and I'd like to talk 
to people from a number of fan fiction backgrounds including gen and 
het.  I can do interviews via e-mail, AIM, phone, and in person (I'll 
be in Minneapolis, Ottawa, Toronto, Chicago, Grand Rapids, and Ann 
Arbor in the next few months).  If you're interested please respond 
off list by sending me an e-mail to let me know how you'd like to be 
contacted.  I'd be happy to provide further details on my background 
and the particulars of my research on this project thus far.
 
In more formal language:
Would you be interested in participating in research on slash fan 
fiction?  My name is Anne Kustritz.  I am a graduate student at the 
University of Michigan.  I am studying slash and the community 
activities which have formed around these texts by observing and 
participating in convention activities and on-line slash 
communities.  I'd like to ask you some questions about your 
experiences in this community.  Please feel free to skip a question 
or to end our correspondence at any time if you wish to do so.  
Stopping or skipping questions in no way affects your relationship 
with me or with the university.  The data that I am collecting may be 
used as a part of my future research papers, proposals, essays, or a 
book or dissertation.  You may choose to be identified in these 
publications by a pseudonym of your choosing, or you may choose to 
not be quoted in publication, meaning that your comments will add to 
my general understanding of the community but will never be directly 
quoted or identified.  I would be happy to answer any questions or 
respond to any comments that you may have now or in the future, at 
any time during our correspondence or afterwards.  It is my 
understanding that slash fan fiction circulates in an adult 
community; I am only looking for participants over the age of 18.  
You can contact me by e-mail at EQMJ at aol.com.  If you have any other 
concerns about my research or your experience as a participant, feel 
free to contact Kate Keever at the University of Michigan I R B 
office for the protection of human subjects at 1040 Fleming 
Administration Building, 503 Thompson Avenue, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-
1340, by phone at 734 936-0933, or by e-mail at irbhsbs at umich.edu.
 
Thanks!
Anne/Equanimity
EQMJ at aol.com
akustrit at umich.edu





From snow15145 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 05:27:17 2004
From: snow15145 at yahoo.com (snow15145)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 05:27:17 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <033a01c45547$162096d0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cb0irl+og6u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Did y'all se the moovie Hocus Pocus with Bette Middler?  Listen, 
all she'd
> have to do would be to tone it down just a tad, and she'd make a 
perfect
> Dolores--at least I'm sure she does have the right voice to do it 
if she
> wanted to.  As to what she looks like, I can't even hazzard a guess 
since
> I'm totally blind.  But my vote goes for Miss M.  June
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June

Snow:
When you mentioned the movie Hocus Pocus, I just had to reply that my 
daughter thinks that the song they sing in the movie "I put a spell 
on you" should be sung at the Yule Ball by the Wierd Sisters played 
by "The Darkness". Couldnt resist adding this comment since the movie 
you mentioned came up. 




From snow15145 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 05:32:29 2004
From: snow15145 at yahoo.com (snow15145)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 05:32:29 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cavqjq+ntuj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb0j5d+8qa3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> Joywitch provactively suggested:
> 
> > Margaret Thatcher>
> 
> Are you trying to ruin my weekend? Mentioning that person has made 
> me feel quite unwell...
> 
> I can imagine Patricia Routledge aka Hyacinth Bucket as Dolores. 
> Dawn French could do the evilness magnificiently, but she is 
younger 
> than my personal image of Umbridge.
> 
> Ali

Snow:
Yes, Yes, Yes and did I mention Yes! There could be no one that could 
do the Umbridge part as well as I could see her do it! Definatly in 
favor of Hyacinth Bouquet (B-U-C-K-E-T)lol




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 09:38:36 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:38:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb0j5d+8qa3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040619093836.9222.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>

If any of you have had the fortune of watching "The Oblongs" on Cartoon Network during Adult Swim, then it is obvious that Helga can be cast as Delores.  Below is a website that has a picture of Helga.  When you get to the site, scroll down to 3.  It will be obvious which one is Helga as she will most look like Delores.  
 
http://www.tvtome.com/Oblongs/guide.html
 
Happy Solstice.

 
		
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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun 19 14:54:07 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:54:07 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cb1k2f+3ukq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fischer, Shari" 
<sfischer at h...> wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
thought about
> who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the big
> screen!  

She's now beyond the Veil, but an ideal choice IMO would have been 
Madeline Kahn. Kahn was especially skilled in playing dowdy 
overbearing frumps (e.g.,Bogdonavich's What's Up Doc), and listening 
to her recorded performance of the 1996 revivial of Sondheim's Anyone 
Can Whistle  - in which she played the role of the Mayoress Cora 
Hoover-Hooper - shows how inimitably she could play the petty 
dictatorial bureaucrat. Additionally, she had that rather high, 
unexpectedly girlish voice that so startles everyone when they first 
hear Umbridge speak.

AFAIK, Kahn was never cast in a "serious" role, so I don't know how 
well she might have done playing a genuinely evil character like 
Umbridge (as opposed to a merely obnoxiously comical one). Of course, 
it's all beside the point since Kahn is a) dead and - even worse from 
an HP casting perspective b) American.

   - CMC (who won't see OOP on the screen anyway no matter who they 
cast)




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun 19 15:01:34 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:01:34 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb1k2f+3ukq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb1kge+rq4b@eGroups.com>

-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> 
> She's now beyond the Veil, but an ideal choice IMO would have been 
> Madeline Kahn. Listening 
> to her recorded performance of the 1996 revivial of Sondheim's 
Anyone 
> Can Whistle  - in which she played the role of the Mayoress Cora 
> Hoover-Hooper - shows how inimitably she could play the petty 
> dictatorial bureaucrat. 

I should have added that Kahn's performance in this musical did 
inspire an Umbridge filk, There's a Blockade Set Down (to the tune of 
There's a Parade in Town)

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/phoenix.htm#Hooray_for_Lovegood/There's_
A_Blockade_Set_Down

   - CMC








From sydenmill at msn.com  Sat Jun 19 16:50:43 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:50:43 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cb1qt3+3a2r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fischer, Shari" 
<sfischer at h...> wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
thought about
> who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the big
> screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a little 
disappointed when
> I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think she should play both
> characters!  What do you think?


>From Bohcoo:
I'm about to show my age -- because I can't, for the life of me, 
remember the name of the movie -- the one where the little blond girl 
gets sucked through her TV set into another (horrifying) dimension 
because the development company her father (Craig T. Nelson) worked 
for had built houses, including theirs, right on top of a graveyard 
and the initial residents were none-too-pleased about it. It is the 
movie where the little girl says, "They're he-e-e-e-ere."

Anyway. The mother (Jo Beth Williams, I think) and father call in an 
exorist -- a "little person" with that little girl voice and buggy 
eyes. She is quite an actress and has been in countless movies. She 
is exactly who I pictured when reading Umbridge. That actress can do 
sickingly-sweet-but-artificially nice like a champ. She would be 
perfect -- but, I don't think she is British.

Does anyone know that actress's name? And, what the heck, does anyone 
remember the name of the movie?

Thanks (sheepishly),
Bohcoo








From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jun 19 18:04:46 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:04:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Foods
In-Reply-To: <cau1jk+aivv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEDCCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: mooseming
| Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:21 AM
| To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
| To return the favour (grin) could you please tell me what on earth are
| 'grits' and why anyone would want to eat them????

[Lee]:
And if someone has already answered, my apologies. :-)

I've been busy with my HP and Twilight Zone DVDs so haven't been reading
steadily.

Grits are my fave, even though I'm a New York City Slicker who now lives in
New Jersey.  They are the very center of a type of corn called Hominy.
They're dried and cooked like cereal, served with lots of butter and then
the variations happen...some like sugar, or cinnamon, or both; some like
ketchup, or salt; some like just a ton of butter.  Brits can either be eaten
by themselves or as a side to eggs.  I've also seen grits served with
fish-cakes, which used to be one of my fave lunches, I admit. :-)

They're not overly smooth like cream-of-wheat or oatmeal; they have a sort
of consistency like...uh...well...tiny grits--not crunchy, but you can
identify their separateness.

Does that help, Joe? :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From losangelis at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 18:05:22 2004
From: losangelis at yahoo.com (LosAngelis)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:05:22 -0000
Subject: In Need of Anyone With a Repository of HP Trivia Questions!!!!
Message-ID: <cb1v92+41f3@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone!

I am working on some "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire"-style powerpoints
to do with my Harry Potter class next week, and am looking for some
good questions to put in there.  I'm fairly trivia-wise, but busted
for time.

What I'd be looking for are 20 easy questions, 20 medium questions,
and 12 difficult questions to split up among 4 different powerpoints.

You don't have to provide four seperate answers, though could if you wish.

In return, I will include the powerpoints in the file folder when they
are done.  My templates are pretty jazzy and come with sound effects.

The age range of the students are grades 4-7 (ages 9-13), but the
actual "fastest finger" kids will be fairly up on the basics of the
books.  Questions can come from any of the canon books.

If anyone can help me out, you'll save me time researching (which I
don't have right now!)

Thanks so much in advance!  

Wiley




From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Sat Jun 19 18:15:09 2004
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:15:09 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb1qt3+3a2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb1vrd+5qjt@eGroups.com>

major snip
>> Does anyone know that actress's name? And, what the heck, does 
anyone 
> remember the name of the movie?
> 
> Thanks (sheepishly),
> Bohcoo

Sorry for the one-liner, the movie is Poltergeist, and I don't 
remember the name of the actress :) 

Gabriela





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 18:27:31 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:27:31 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb0irl+og6u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb20ik+5j3l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" <snow15145 at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
> <firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> > Did y'all se the moovie Hocus Pocus with Bette Middler?  Listen, 
> all she'd have to do would be to tone it down just a tad, and 
she'd make a perfect
> > Dolores--at least I'm sure she does have the right voice to do 
it if she wanted to.  As to what she looks like, I can't even 
hazzard a guess since I'm totally blind.  But my vote goes for Miss 
M.  June
> > None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
> >    Siempre revelde!!
> > June
> 
> Snow:
> When you mentioned the movie Hocus Pocus, I just had to reply that 
my daughter thinks that the song they sing in the movie "I put a 
spell on you" should be sung at the Yule Ball by the Wierd Sisters 
played by "The Darkness". Couldnt resist adding this comment since 
the movie you mentioned came up.

*****\(@@)/*****

Actually I thought of Bette Midler for one of the Wierd Sisters too 
because of Hocus Pocus! She would be great but I doubt they would 
cast her. This thread has gotten me thinking that I would almost 
prefer to see unknowns cast since the movies are becoming so cameo 
ridden with stars. It certainly would keep it fresher.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jun 19 19:31:19 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:31:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Who would you cast in the role of Delores
 Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEDECPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: Fischer, Shari
| Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:45 AM
|
| Hi all -
|
| Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has thought about
| who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the big
| screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a little disappointed when
| I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think she should play both
| characters!  What do you think?
  [Lee]:
Her voice is too deep!  Remember the voice description...simpering,
little-girl like, saccharine sweet.  Yeesh!

I have to admit I don't do a lot of TV and movies...too many other pursuits
of happiness... :-)  So I'm not up on all the actors.

So far, casting has been really appropriate, so I hope they don't mess up
Delores. <Evil Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jun 19 19:36:38 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:36:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grits! (was Re: British Foods)
In-Reply-To: <016b01c45578$083209b0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEDFCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

June wrote:
|
| Sorry, folks, I'm from the South and I can't stand grits.  Now give me a
| plate of crispy hash browns, not home fries, mind you, and I'm a happy
| camper.  And if you serve that up to me with some Smithfield ham, good
| bacon, mountain sausage, fresh orange juice by the half-gallon, what can I
| tell you?  I'll have had enough bad cholesterol for six months,
| but my mouth
| would be ever so happy!


[Lee]:
I'll take dem hash browns with onion...absolutely gotta have onions!  As far
as the ham, bacon and sausage go...give me the turkey or chicken varieties
thereof since I don't eat "four-foots."  No moo no oink, etc.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Getting very hungry but have no energy to cook! Guess I'll order a
stronboli.)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 19:57:33 2004
From: ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com (Miss Melanie)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:57:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb1vrd+5qjt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040619195733.11179.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com>

Gabriella wrote: Sorry for the one-liner, the movie is Poltergeist, and I don't 
remember the name of the actress :) 

Gabriela

My reply:
I think the little girl who was in Poltergiest died.  However, there was a little girl in the Exorcist Her name was Heather O'Rourke.  I believe she died of heart failure during a surgery at like age 12.  
 
Melanie

		
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From joym999 at aol.com  Sat Jun 19 23:17:57 2004
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:17:57 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
Message-ID: <cb2hj5+obop@eGroups.com>

JKR has clearly known the basic outline of the plot of the entire 
series from the start.  So, in books 6 and 7 we will clearly find the 
answers to the various big mysteries about Voldemort, Snape, Harry, 
etc. that we have been speculating about all along.  But she also 
clearly invents the small bits as she goes along, and she just as 
clearly has already put in certain details in reaction to fans 
comments (e.g., Hermione's explaining how to pronounce her name to 
Krum).  

So, Jo, I am officially requesting of you add the following details 
to the last two books, just to make me happy.  Consider it 13 year's 
worth of birthday presents:

1.  The McGonagall/Hootch ship!  (Just mention that they live 
together, that's all I ask.)
2.  Percy Weasley finally comes to realize what a jerk he is; returns 
home; Molly smacks him upside his head and makes him live in the 
attic with the ghoul.
3.  Arthur Weasley gets a promotion, a raise, and ? most importantly ?
 a bigger office.
4.  Hagrid gets an honorary degree making him a fully qualified 
wizard; then he gets a new wand and stops carrying around that pink 
umbrella.
5.  Lucius Malfoy goes straight to jail.  He does not pass go, does 
not collect $200, does not escape, does not hire Johnnie Cochrane to 
get him off.  He does not in ANY WAY wheedle out of paying for his 
crimes and rots in Azkaban FOREVER.
6.  Harry and Hermione become Head Boy and Head Girl.
7.  No polyjuice.  None whatsoever.  Not even a mention.
8.  Harry gets an offer to play Quidditch for England after 
graduation.
9.  Fudge is forced to resign in disgrace and is replaced by Kingsley 
Shacklebolt.
10.  We find out what some of us have know all along ? that Snape IS 
a vampire.




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 00:10:25 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:10:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
References: <20040619093836.9222.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c4565a$fcc5e6d0$e60b8f45@Voov>

I just had a thought.  Angela Lanspury is good in just about every role she
has.  When she's sweet, she's an absolute love.  On the other hand, if you
saw her in The Last Unicorn, well, need I say more?  Maybe in her youth she
could have done it, with the right make-up and such.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jun 20 00:22:22 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:22:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb2hj5+obop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEDKCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: joywitch_m_curmudgeon
| Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 19:18 PM
|
| 1.  The McGonagall/Hootch ship!  (Just mention that they live
| together, that's all I ask.)

[Lee, shaking head]:
Uh--Huh?  And what if Hootch is really a grandmother and spends her summers
with her grandkids and husband...who just might be Professor Flitwick? :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Jun 20 00:23:10 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:23:10 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb2hj5+obop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb2lde+nm9f@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:

> 5.  Lucius Malfoy goes straight to jail.  He does not pass go, 
does 
> not collect $200, does not escape, does not hire Johnnie Cochrane 
to 
> get him off.  He does not in ANY WAY wheedle out of paying for his 
> crimes and rots in Azkaban FOREVER.

Hasn't he already gone to jail in OOP>  I wouldn't bother pointing 
it out, but, well, I was once refused LOON membership, you know...

David




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 00:27:34 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:27:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEDKCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <019a01c4565d$61f722b0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, lord, I've always had the most ridiculous crush on Flitwig, little guys
turn me on like the proberbial radio.  Then again, Oliver Wood and that
Scottish accent of his      get this ol' heartbeat in to overdrive quite
nicely.  Laughing at my own idiocy.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 00:34:07 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:34:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grits! (was Re: British Foods)
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEDFCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <020101c4565e$4c5526e0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Dern, woman, you know those hash browns gotta have onion.  What house did
you say you were in, Lee?  Fifty points for whichever one it is1  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 00:39:22 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:39:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
References: <cb20ik+5j3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <023501c4565f$07f4ebb0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, I like the idea of stars taking on roles that are different from their
usual fare.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jun 20 00:40:49 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:40:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grits! (was Re: British Foods)
In-Reply-To: <020101c4565e$4c5526e0$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEDMCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[June says]:
|
| Dern, woman, you know those hash browns gotta have onion.  What house did
| you say you were in, Lee?  Fifty points for whichever one it is1  June

Somehow, I think I'm a Hufflepuff...and our house thanks you!

Now, bring on them hash browns with lots of onions, buttered biscuits or
scones, black coffee, well-done fried eggs, and I'll be a most happy camper.

Cheers,
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From michel56 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 20 01:01:39 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:01:39 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb1qt3+3a2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb2nlj+lbee@eGroups.com>


> From Bohcoo:
> I'm about to show my age -- because I can't, for the life of me, 
> remember the name of the movie -- the one where the little blond 
girl 
> gets sucked through her TV set into another (horrifying) dimension 
> because the development company her father (Craig T. Nelson) worked 
> for had built houses, including theirs, right on top of a graveyard 
> and the initial residents were none-too-pleased about it. It is the 
> movie where the little girl says, "They're he-e-e-e-ere."
> 
> Anyway. The mother (Jo Beth Williams, I think) and father call in 
an 
> exorist -- a "little person" with that little girl voice and buggy 
> eyes. She is quite an actress and has been in countless movies. She 
> is exactly who I pictured when reading Umbridge. That actress can 
do 
> sickingly-sweet-but-artificially nice like a champ. She would be 
> perfect -- but, I don't think she is British.
> 
> Does anyone know that actress's name? And, what the heck, does 
anyone 
> remember the name of the movie?
> 
> Thanks (sheepishly),
> Bohcoo

Now Michele:

As already mentioned, the movie was "Poltergeist".  The actress I 
think you mean is Tangina Barrons as Zelda Rubenstein.  This might 
help:
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-45535

Funny, she's exactly who I thought of, too, to play dear Dolores 
Umbridge.

Michele (slowly but surely coming out of lurker status...)




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 20 01:37:03 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:37:03 -0000
Subject: Hooked on HP. Can you beat that?
In-Reply-To: <cam49t+b2ic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb2pnv+v9lp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gary Sapp & Karen J.S." wrote:

> My latest twist on this hobby is British shorthair cats.  We have
> some friends who named a big beautiful male cat Harry Potter, he
> was 18th best cat in the U.S. last year. 

It is to be sure that he would tell you, if you asked, that he is the
1st best cat in the US and in the world. Any cat is certain that he or
she is the best cat there is.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 20 01:50:16 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:50:16 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEDKCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cb2qgo+r4j1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> | From: joywitch_m_curmudgeon
> | Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 19:18 PM
> |
> | 1.  The McGonagall/Hootch ship!  (Just mention that they live
> | together, that's all I ask.)
> 
> [Lee, shaking head]:
> Uh--Huh?  And what if Hootch is really a grandmother and spends her 
> summers with her grandkids and husband...who just might be Professor
> Flitwick? :-)

I think you might have Madam Hooch confused with Professor Sprout,
whom I believe to be a great-grandma (wizards live longer than
Muggles, altho' Dumbledore being 150 is almost the only sign we've
seen of that). I imagine her husband is not Professor Flitwick but
rather a noted explorer and plant-discoverer (Ben Sprout? Basil
Sprout?) who is out in foreign jungles during the school year.

My current theory is that Professor Sprout's personal name is Beatrix
('Beety'), her maiden name was Pollan, her son is named Alf and her
daughters are Acacia and Jacaranda. I don't know how many descendents
she lost in The Bad Years (my name for Vold War I). 

I have been certain that McGonagall and Hooch are a couple, and
unobtrusively live together in the professorial lodging in Hogwarts
Castle, for a very long time. Before GoF was published. Before there
was even one movie.




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 20 03:18:55 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:18:55 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb2hj5+obop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb2vmv+l3o7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" 
<joym999 at a...> wrote:
> JKR has clearly known the basic outline of the plot of the entire 
> series from the start.  So, in books 6 and 7 we will clearly find 
the 
> answers to the various big mysteries about Voldemort, Snape, Harry, 
> etc. that we have been speculating about all along.  But she also 
> clearly invents the small bits as she goes along, and she just as 
> clearly has already put in certain details in reaction to fans 
> comments (e.g., Hermione's explaining how to pronounce her name to 
> Krum).  
> 
> So, Jo, I am officially requesting of you add the following details 
> to the last two books, just to make me happy.  Consider it 13 
year's 
> worth of birthday presents:
> 
> 1.  The McGonagall/Hootch ship!  (Just mention that they live 
> together, that's all I ask.)
> 2.  Percy Weasley finally comes to realize what a jerk he is; 
returns 
> home; Molly smacks him upside his head and makes him live in the 
> attic with the ghoul.
> 3.  Arthur Weasley gets a promotion, a raise, and ? most 
importantly ?
>  a bigger office.
> 4.  Hagrid gets an honorary degree making him a fully qualified 
> wizard; then he gets a new wand and stops carrying around that pink 
> umbrella.
> 5.  Lucius Malfoy goes straight to jail.  He does not pass go, does 
> not collect $200, does not escape, does not hire Johnnie Cochrane 
to 
> get him off.  He does not in ANY WAY wheedle out of paying for his 
> crimes and rots in Azkaban FOREVER.
> 6.  Harry and Hermione become Head Boy and Head Girl.
> 7.  No polyjuice.  None whatsoever.  Not even a mention.
> 8.  Harry gets an offer to play Quidditch for England after 
> graduation.
> 9.  Fudge is forced to resign in disgrace and is replaced by 
Kingsley 
> Shacklebolt.
> 10.  We find out what some of us have know all along ? that Snape 
IS 
> a vampire.



Alla:


Oooo, I want all of those for my birthday too and some more:


1. Sirius comes back and gets together with Snape. Yes, nothing too 
graphic will be fine. Couple of kisses will be good. :o) Come on, we 
all know that under all this hate they really love each other. Why 
else will Sirius be upset that Snape was Lucius Malfoy lapdoog? :)

(Joy, I am not being sarcastic in regards to your ship. I actually 
really like Snape and Sirius together. )


2. No Time-Turner again. NONE.







From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 20 04:34:33 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:34:33 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A640@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cb344p+dmtg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fischer, Shari" 
<sfischer at h...> wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
thought about
> who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the 
big
> screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a little 
disappointed when
> I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think she should play both
> characters!  What do you think?

As I sugested in the Movie list,  I think Dame Judy Dench ("M" in 
the 007 movies, Queen Elizabeth in "Shakespeare in Love") would 
perform splendidly as Delores Jane Umbridge.

Haggridd




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 20 05:54:07 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:54:07 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb2vmv+l3o7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb38pv+rsvl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Alla <dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:

> Oooo, I want all of those for my birthday too and some more:
 
> 1. Sirius comes back and gets together with Snape. Yes, nothing too 
> graphic will be fine. Couple of kisses will be good. :o) 

NO. Sirius and Remus were a couple. Now that Sirius is dead, can we
get Severus and Remus together?

> Come on, we all know that under all this hate they really love each 
> other. Why else will Sirius be upset that Snape was Lucius Malfoy's 
> lapdog? :)

Sirius wasn't upset; he was just taunting Severus by reminding him of
his (Severus's) unrequited passion. All the more annoying when Sirius
had *his* beloved with him at the time. It would make sense for
Severus to have had a big crush on Sirius (being that Sirius is dead
sexy), but I just could not find it in canon even tho' I searched very
hard. Severus having a crush on *Remus*, however -- that would explain
both why Severus wanted to follow Remus down the tunnel, and why
Sirius wanted to squash Severus.




From spin01 at aol.com  Sat Jun 19 17:38:58 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:38:58 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb1qt3+3a2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb1tni+8f07@eGroups.com>

Shari wrote:
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
> thought about who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP 
> makes it to the big screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I 
> was a little disappointed when I saw that she was in PoA - but 
> now I think she should play both characters!  What do you think?


Ok so this is an American actress but I really think that Shirley 
Maclain could do it.  She has the facial features although would need 
the makeup magic to make her ugly but her mouth shape would work.  
And she is a spectacular actress.

sherry




From jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com  Sun Jun 20 08:32:48 2004
From: jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com (mooseming)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:32:48 -0000
Subject: Visiting the UK
Message-ID: <cb3i3g+huse@eGroups.com>

Hi

my 16 year old American half sister is coming to visit next week,
she's never been to England and I'm wondering what is a must see or
do? We have about 5 days and will be in London and Oxford.

First off, whether she likes it or not, I'm going to take her to
Christ Church college, Oxford, where they filmed the staircase and
hall for the HP movies! After that, well I'm spoilt for choice. Of
course I asked my sister but she doesn't seem to have any preferences
(or at least she won't express them!!).

I figured at least some of you must have been tourists here at some
time or another and maybe you could tell me what she really 'should' see!

Also I'm not sure what to do about alcohol???? Her parents don't drink
at all although they have said its OK if she does, a little!!! They
want to prepare her for other cultures and experiences in a safe way,
which I agree with, but I'm feeling its a *big* responsibility. From
my own experiences at college every year we'd get a new intake of
American students and the first thing they would do is head for the
college bar and get very drunk! I'd like my sister not to feel she had
to do that!!! My own background is that from around the age of 12 we'd
be able to try wine, beer etc to see if we liked it, a couple of
mouthfuls at most. Then from around 14 we could drink beer, cider,
watered wine when supervised at social occasions. By sixteen most of
my circle of friends were drinking in pubs (although the legal age is
18), I think this is perhaps not where my sister should start! So any
suggestions as to what would be appropriate???

Many thanks

Jo

ps I wonder if she can make grits? ;-)




From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 20 10:23:10 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:23:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: who would you cast in the role of Dolores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <1087718265.424.88366.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040620102310.15069.qmail@web61009.mail.yahoo.com>





Shari wrote:
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has 
> thought about who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP 
> makes it to the big screen! My vote is for Dawn French - so I 
> was a little disappointed when I saw that she was in PoA - but 
> now I think she should play both characters! What do you think?


Now Me

               I agree! I would love to see Dawn French as Dolores. She came to mind as soon as I read OoP. Does anyone remember the spoof she did with Jennifer Saunders of Misery? All sweetness and light yet so insane and dangerous.

Warner Bros have done far worse to the HP stories than use the same actress twice IMHO. I could forgive her showing up again.

I'm really stuck for other ideas. I'm short, squat and bonkers, can I do it?

Sam 


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From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 20 11:44:59 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:44:59 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb2hj5+obop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb3tbr+40da@eGroups.com>

Ten things I want for MY birthday (seeing as I've just turned 21, so 
have at last come of age to inherit my English "fortune", which is, 
unfortunately, nowhere near big enough to be able to bribe JKR with - 
I will have to rely on her good heart):

1. A strong, good, interesting (but not silly) female character 
between the ages of 20 and 40 - I am dead tired of trying to identify 
with loonies (Tonks, age and gender fitting) and little boys.

2. Snape and Harry to have to actually fight together - literally. 
Not Snape stepping in at the last minute and saving the day, nor the 
other way round. Not even loads of guys fighting together, with Harry 
and Snape among them. Just the two of them. They HAVE to get their 
issues sorted out, and this time it will have to be something bigger 
than the troll was in Hermione's case, to make them able to like each 
other. No slash reference intended. 

3. Hermione to study to become an animagus. I know lots of you are 
tired of this topic, but I hazard a guess that what you're actually 
tired of is the "Oh! It's all explained because it turns out that 
he/she is an unregistered animagus!" plot-line. Make her study for it.

4. There's got to be more to Petunia than meets the eye. I hate to 
agree even marginally with Marge (huh, bad pun), but HEY, blood has 
to out. GOOD blood should out. In a story anyway. 

5. Mark Evans to enrol at Horwarts in Book Six.

6. The Good Slytherin to appear. Not goody-goody Slytherin. But a 
Slytherin to bond with.

7. Gimme a hetero ship in the trio any day.

8. Go Neville!

9. Someone (Hermione, for instance) to REALLY and TRULY tell Harry 
off when he gets to his "but I saved the world, you nitwits" tantrum 
again.

10. Draco. I think redeeming is unfortunately out of the question, 
but at least make him talk! How I crave that scene with Nott! I want 
to see more of the little ferret!

As you can probably see, my main aim is to get all these 
interpersonal relationships well and truly MIXED UP in the last two 
books. It's war. People have to fight together and yet this kind of 
stress creates more friction. Characters should evolve. Drastically. 

Oh please, JKR, make me happy!

Unfortunately I seem to have asked for MAJOR things instead of small 
things that could actually be included without damaging the already 
existent plot-line. Too bad fo me. :)

Love, Alice



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" 
<joym999 at a...> wrote:
> JKR has clearly known the basic outline of the plot of the entire 
> series from the start.  So, in books 6 and 7 we will clearly find 
the 
> answers to the various big mysteries about Voldemort, Snape, Harry, 
> etc. that we have been speculating about all along.  But she also 
> clearly invents the small bits as she goes along, and she just as 
> clearly has already put in certain details in reaction to fans 
> comments (e.g., Hermione's explaining how to pronounce her name to 
> Krum).  
> 
> So, Jo, I am officially requesting of you add the following details 
> to the last two books, just to make me happy.  Consider it 13 
year's 
> worth of birthday presents:
> 
> 1.  The McGonagall/Hootch ship!  (Just mention that they live 
> together, that's all I ask.)
> 2.  Percy Weasley finally comes to realize what a jerk he is; 
returns 
> home; Molly smacks him upside his head and makes him live in the 
> attic with the ghoul.
> 3.  Arthur Weasley gets a promotion, a raise, and ? most 
importantly ?
>  a bigger office.
> 4.  Hagrid gets an honorary degree making him a fully qualified 
> wizard; then he gets a new wand and stops carrying around that pink 
> umbrella.
> 5.  Lucius Malfoy goes straight to jail.  He does not pass go, does 
> not collect $200, does not escape, does not hire Johnnie Cochrane 
to 
> get him off.  He does not in ANY WAY wheedle out of paying for his 
> crimes and rots in Azkaban FOREVER.
> 6.  Harry and Hermione become Head Boy and Head Girl.
> 7.  No polyjuice.  None whatsoever.  Not even a mention.
> 8.  Harry gets an offer to play Quidditch for England after 
> graduation.
> 9.  Fudge is forced to resign in disgrace and is replaced by 
Kingsley 
> Shacklebolt.
> 10.  We find out what some of us have know all along ? that Snape 
IS 
> a vampire.




From sydenmill at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 12:30:20 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:30:20 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb1vrd+5qjt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb400s+7ok0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Gabriela" <gabolamx at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the one-liner, the movie is Poltergeist, and I don't 
> remember the name of the actress :) 
> 
> Gabriela

Bohcoo:
(Not sorry for this one-liner:)  Thankyouthankyouthankyou! I spent 
two days waiting to post, just trying to remember the name of that 
stoopid movie. Poltergeist. Yep yep, there it is!

Boy, I'll bet I'm on Peeves' list at the moment, don't cha think?

Grins,
Bohcoo




From sydenmill at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 12:41:59 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:41:59 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <cb2nlj+lbee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb40mn+ta9p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michele" <michel56 at e...> 
wrote:
> 
> Now Michele:
> 
> As already mentioned, the movie was "Poltergeist".  The actress I 
> think you mean is Tangina Barrons as Zelda Rubenstein.  This might 
> help:
> http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-45535
> 
> Funny, she's exactly who I thought of, too, to play dear Dolores 
> Umbridge.
> 
> Michele (slowly but surely coming out of lurker status...)


>From Bohcoo:
THANK you, Michele! (Not shouting, just emphasizing) :) You ol' 
Lurker you. If coming up with these websites is why you just lurk 
here, well then -- no, no, we like having you here too! :) :)

I hope everyone goes to that website. How on EARTH did you find that? 
You are now elected our unofficial Room, er, Person of Requirement. 
Wow.

I swear -- there stares Dolores, big as life. Is Zelda British, 
though? I don't think so but, as an actress, she could do the accent, 
I suppose.

I added that website to my Favorites. I have so many people I want to 
look up now! Alan Rickman, for instance. Yum.

With gratitude,
Bohcoo 




From sydenmill at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 12:44:55 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:44:55 -0000
Subject: Prof. Sprout, WAS Re: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb2qgo+r4j1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb40s7+atsr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> 
> I think you might have Madam Hooch confused with Professor Sprout,
> whom I believe to be a great-grandma (wizards live longer than
> Muggles, altho' Dumbledore being 150 is almost the only sign we've
> seen of that). I imagine her husband is not Professor Flitwick but
> rather a noted explorer and plant-discoverer (Ben Sprout? Basil
> Sprout?) who is out in foreign jungles during the school year.
> 
> My current theory is that Professor Sprout's personal name is 
Beatrix
> ('Beety'), her maiden name was Pollan, her son is named Alf and her
> daughters are Acacia and Jacaranda. I don't know how many 
descendents
> she lost in The Bad Years (my name for Vold War I).

>From Bohcoo:
Hi Rita! You forgot to mention that they were originally from 
Brussels.

 
> 





From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 20 14:14:45 2004
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:14:45 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb2hj5+obop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb464l+ljt9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "joywitch_m_curmudgeon" <joym999 at a.=
..> 
wrote:
> So, Jo, I am officially requesting of you add the following details 
> to the last two books, just to make me happy.  Consider it 13 year's 
> worth of birthday presents:
> 
> 1.  The McGonagall/Hootch ship!  (Just mention that they live 
> together, that's all I ask.)

I don't know.  I've been thinking for a while that McGonagall lost a
husband during VWI.

> 2.  Percy Weasley finally comes to realize what a jerk he is; returns 
> home; Molly smacks him upside his head and makes him live in the 
> attic with the ghoul.

I think that's a given.

> 3.  Arthur Weasley gets a promotion, a raise, and ? most importantly ?
>  a bigger office.

Ditto.

> 4.  Hagrid gets an honorary degree making him a fully qualified 
> wizard; then he gets a new wand and stops carrying around that pink 
> umbrella.

I don't think JKR's going to bother with this.  He's already been cleared
of his crime and made a professor.  Unless he wants to go back to 
school and take his OWLs and NEWTs there's no way he can become
fully qualified - I don't think there are honorary degrees in this case.
Plus, he does pretty well with his pink umbrella.

> 5.  Lucius Malfoy goes straight to jail.  He does not pass go, does 
> not collect $200, does not escape, does not hire Johnnie Cochrane to 
> get him off.  He does not in ANY WAY wheedle out of paying for his 
> crimes and rots in Azkaban FOREVER.

Lucius Malfoy is rotting in jail even as we speak.  However, I doubt
that he'll stay there long.  I also seriously doubt that he'll survive the
end of the series.

> 6.  Harry and Hermione become Head Boy and Head Girl.

Hermione is a given.  Harry is a strong possibility, but I'd like much
better to see Ron grow into his leadership role and earn the position
of HB.

> 7.  No polyjuice.  None whatsoever.  Not even a mention.

This could go either way.  I sincerely doubt there'll ever be a major
plot point that hinges on Polyjuice again, but it might get mentioned.

> 8.  Harry gets an offer to play Quidditch for England after 
> graduation.

I hope not.  Or at least I hope he doesn't accept.

> 9.  Fudge is forced to resign in disgrace and is replaced by Kingsley 
> Shacklebolt.

JKR has already promised us the first part, but I suspect that the new
MoM will be Madam Bones.

> 10.  We find out what some of us have know all along ? that Snape IS 
> a vampire.

Oh, give it up.  What's it going to take, JKR coming out and saying that he=
 
isn't a vampire?  Oh, wait, she already did that!  Seriously, let it go.

Happy Birthday!
Abigail




From michel56 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 20 14:19:02 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:19:02 -0400
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
Message-ID: <008f01c456d1$896d1ec0$98186e18@earthlink.net>


>From Bohcoo:
THANK you, Michele! (Not shouting, just emphasizing) :) You ol' 
Lurker you. If coming up with these websites is why you just lurk 
here, well then -- no, no, we like having you here too! :) :)

I hope everyone goes to that website. How on EARTH did you find that? 
You are now elected our unofficial Room, er, Person of Requirement. 
Wow.

I swear -- there stares Dolores, big as life. Is Zelda British, 
though? I don't think so but, as an actress, she could do the accent, 
I suppose.

I added that website to my Favorites. I have so many people I want to 
look up now! Alan Rickman, for instance. Yum.

With gratitude,
Bohcoo 


Michele again:
Gosh..  <Blush>.. you're welcome!  It intrigued me because she is who I thought of, too.  Nothing too spectacular, I just "Googled" it.... used
Poltergeist AND movie, and the rest is history.  LOL, isn't Google grand?
Love it!
Yes, her face and her tiny little self.. I can see her as Umbridge.  And that voice!  But, having said that,  I am in the group that likes to keep the actors pure... no "fake" British accents. So although I think she'd work in that part, I doubt it would happen.  What really firmed up that decision for me was seeing "Bridget Jones Diary" on t.v. the other night.  Love Renee Zellweiger, don't like  the fake accent.  :-P    

Ummm... Alan Rickman... I second the Yum part..... I'll have to look him up, too.. Thank you!

Michele

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From zoelouisepike at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jun 20 14:26:20 2004
From: zoelouisepike at yahoo.co.uk (zoelouisepike)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:26:20 -0000
Subject: the casting of emme thompson as prof. trelawney
Message-ID: <cb46qc+cehg@eGroups.com>

Was anyone else disappointed in the choice of Emma Thompson as Prof. 
Trelawney? Ok,she's a fantastic actress but I can't help but think 
JKR's insistance on using British actors has gone too far this time. 
I just felt Thompson's charming 'Englishness',as it were, just wasn't 
right for the eccenticity of the divination teacher.

"zoelouisepike" 




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 20 15:03:00 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 20 Jun 2004 15:03:00 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1087743780.36.8679.m2@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 20, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jun 20 15:03:33 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:03:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Visiting the UK
In-Reply-To: <cb3i3g+huse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEEICPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: mooseming
| Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 4:33 AM
|
| Hi
|
| my 16 year old American half sister is coming to visit next week,
| she's never been to England and I'm wondering what is a must see or
| do? We have about 5 days and will be in London and Oxford.

[Lee]:
OOOO--Can I carry her luggage? Please? Before I'm 60 (that's 15 more years)
I'd love to tread British soil. :-)

[Jo continues]:
| First off, whether she likes it or not, I'm going to take her to
| Christ Church college, Oxford, where they filmed the staircase and
| hall for the HP movies! After that, well I'm spoilt for choice. Of
| course I asked my sister but she doesn't seem to have any preferences
| (or at least she won't express them!!).

[Lee]:
I can understand that; five days isn't near enough and decisions can be
huge! <Chuckle.>

Is she an HP fan? Take her to some of Harry's stomping grounds, i.e. King's
Cross, etc.

If I were going to England, I'd also want to see some of the castles
(especially any purported to be haunted)  I'd also want to go to Cambridge
University at Oxford to the King's College Chapel, but I'm a real King's
College Choir buff...hopeless! :-)

Honestly, I'm not a "touristy" tourist; I enjoy just hanging out and
experiencing the culture as it really is, not that which is meant for the
tourists.  I'd want to have a day or two in a simple Bed-And-Breakfast, not
in some grand hotel...but, again, I'm a bit older than your half sister. :-)

Food-wise, I'd be hard to feed when it came to traditional English fare; one
would have to substitute poultry for the beef & pork...or else. :-)  But,
since curry does abound, I'd be a most happy camper. :-)

[Jo continues]:
| I figured at least some of you must have been tourists here at some
| time or another and maybe you could tell me what she really 'should' see!

[Lee]:
I know in the US we have things like a "Convention & Visitors" center or
something like that where you can get brochures and maps and things designed
for tourists; don't know what the equivalent is over there.  But, I'd
probably hardly use them. ;)

[Jo again]:
| Also I'm not sure what to do about alcohol???? Her parents don't drink
| at all although they have said its OK if she does, a little!!! They
| want to prepare her for other cultures and experiences in a safe way,
| which I agree with, but I'm feeling its a *big* responsibility. From
| my own experiences at college every year we'd get a new intake of
| American students and the first thing they would do is head for the
| college bar and get very drunk! I'd like my sister not to feel she had
| to do that!!! My own background is that from around the age of 12 we'd
| be able to try wine, beer etc to see if we liked it, a couple of
| mouthfuls at most. Then from around 14 we could drink beer, cider,
| watered wine when supervised at social occasions. By sixteen most of
| my circle of friends were drinking in pubs (although the legal age is
| 18), I think this is perhaps not where my sister should start! So any
| suggestions as to what would be appropriate???

[Lee]:
My rule of thumb is when in doubt, don't; however, perhaps an occasional
"treat" while you are with her would be okay, but keep it to one per
session.  I'd say not to drink every night, but a few "treats" while she's
there, keeping it to nothing harder than beer or wine, etc.

Perhaps, let her taste something you're drinking; if she likes it, then she
could try one for herself; you'd hate to purchase something and end up with
her hating it. :)

[Jo]:
| Many thanks

[Lee]:
Most welcome! :-)

Cheers,
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From flitwicksman at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 20 17:02:59 2004
From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:02:59 -0000
Subject: Happy Anniversary!
Message-ID: <cb4g03+2aq1@eGroups.com>



  Don't forget to wish your copy (or copies) of "Order of the 
Phoenix" a happy anniversary as it was one year ago tonight that it 
was released into our waiting hands.  

Can you believe it?  

It had seemed like the day would never come!  

Now for book six...

Brian:-)




From lists at heidi8.com  Sun Jun 20 17:24:32 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:24:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Anniversary!
In-Reply-To: <cb4g03+2aq1@eGroups.com>
References: <cb4g03+2aq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1087752275.21AFEB02@w5.dngr.org>


On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 1:06pm, Brian wrote:
> Don't forget to wish your copy (or copies) of "Order of the
Phoenix" a happy anniversary as it was one year ago tonight that it
was released into our waiting hands.?

Happy? My stars (pun intended), what's so happy about it?

Heidi, who's still saddened by page 806


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From sydenmill at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 18:44:20 2004
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:44:20 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
In-Reply-To: <008f01c456d1$896d1ec0$98186e18@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cb4lu4+esfu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michele" <michel56 at e...> 
wrote:
> 
> Ummm... Alan Rickman... I second the Yum part..... I'll have to 
look him up, too.. Thank you!
> 
> Michele

>From Bohcoo:
When you look up Alan Rickman, notice his movie credits include Harry 
Potter and the Phoenix. Hmmmm -- do you think that means he has 
contracted that far into the series?





From michel56 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 20 20:30:43 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:30:43 -0400
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
Message-ID: <004f01c45705$7607eb60$ecb0aa18@earthlink.net>

>From Bohcoo:
>When you look up Alan Rickman, notice his movie >credits include Harry 
>Potter and the Phoenix. Hmmmm -- do you think that >means he has 
>contracted that far into the series?


Michele here:

I was just this minute looking up Alan Rickman on that website. (I am supposed to be researching and writing a term paper...for some insane reason I decided to go back to college at age 47) and noticed that very thing, plus GOF of course.  I do hope they have him contracted that far into it, can't imagine anyone else being Snape.  He is just so perfect at the role, but then again, he is a fine actor no matter the role.  I just loved him in Blow Dry.. that was a fun movie.

Michele

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From asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 20 23:27:24 2004
From: asian_lovr2 at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:27:24 -0000
Subject: The Definitive Delores Jane Umbridge
Message-ID: <cb56gs+is8d@eGroups.com>

This was actually posted in the Movie group some time ago. I'll give
you a link to the original the orginial thread as well as post details
here.


http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/8214
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> I think I have a potential actress for the Umbridge role.
>
> Are you familiar with the BBC TV show 'Keeping Up Appearances'.
>
> ... there is another couple in the show that are related to the
> Buquets, it's a fat crude guy who drinks beer all the time and his fat
> wife. Well, I think that fat wife actress, who ever she is, would make
> a great Umbridge. ...edited...
>
> Just a thought, and I admit a vague and ill-formed one at that.
>
> bboy_mn


Bboy_mn:

That's her, Judy Cornwell

PHOTO-

http://uk.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0180498/HH/0180498/dbscan0043.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Cornwell,%20Judy

CREDITS-

http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0180498/

She is very short, and has a very sweet voice. She also has 31 major
and 12 minor acting credits.

"Keeping Up Appearances" is the only show I know her from, but if she
could back up her sweet disposition with some dark and dangerous
undertones, I think she would do well.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn (now Asian_lovr2)








From Grrarrggh at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 03:31:46 2004
From: Grrarrggh at aol.com (Grrarrggh at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:31:46 -0000
Subject: FF question
Message-ID: <cb5kr2+rua5@eGroups.com>

Could someone suggest a good fanfic that would sort of take the place 
of reading book 6? A fanfic that I can read while I wait (and wait 
and wait and wait) for book 6 that is v. well written? Thanks!

Tamara





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Mon Jun 21 04:33:54 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:33:54 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb3tbr+40da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb5ofi+ltb2@eGroups.com>

> 7. Gimme a hetero ship in the trio any day.
> 
Hetero? What a concept! Thank goodness there are still a few of us 
who agree. All the slash theories are beginning to bore.
Ms. Tattersall
(who truly has nothing against any kind of HP fanfic slash except the 
blatantly pedophilic kind, but, Merlin's beard, enough already!)




From bd-bear at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 05:30:33 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:30:33 -0000
Subject: British meaning?
Message-ID: <cb5rpp+fpd6@eGroups.com>

I was just wondering if the British definition of "Philosopher" is 
close to the American definition of "Sorcerer." If not, I can't 
understand the change from the British to American book versions. A 
philosopher is a thinker, a scholar, in the American dictionary. 
Sorcerer means magician. So I was just wonder if there is a British 
meaning of Philosopher that is close to magician or did the 
publishers just make a goofy change for us dumb Americans? :^)

Thanks!

Barbara
bd-bear




From waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 05:39:30 2004
From: waynegregory23 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?wayne=20gregory?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:39:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British meaning?
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It goes back to the roots of alchemy, which is what the philosophers stone is used for. It's properties are that of prolonged life and such. that is all.

Barbara <bd-bear at verizon.net> wrote:I was just wondering if the British definition of "Philosopher" is 
close to the American definition of "Sorcerer." If not, I can't 
understand the change from the British to American book versions. A 
philosopher is a thinker, a scholar, in the American dictionary. 
Sorcerer means magician. So I was just wonder if there is a British 
meaning of Philosopher that is close to magician or did the 
publishers just make a goofy change for us dumb Americans? :^)

Thanks!

Barbara
bd-bear




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From jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 21 06:15:04 2004
From: jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net (julie w)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:15:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who would you cast in the role of Delores
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>As I sugested in the Movie list,  I think Dame Judy Dench ("M" in 
>the 007 movies, Queen Elizabeth in "Shakespeare in Love") would 
>perform splendidly as Delores Jane Umbridge.
>
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I would so love to see her and Maggie Smith sink their teeth into the 
scene with Harry.
Julie W in AR

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From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 08:48:40 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:48:40 -0000
Subject: Who would you cast in the role of Delores Umbridge?
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"Fischer, Shari" <sfischer at h...> wrote:
> Normally I lurk, but I would love to know if anyone else has thought
about
> who should be cast as Delores Umbridge when OotP makes it to the big
> screen!  My vote is for Dawn French - so I was a little disappointed
when
> I saw that she was in PoA - but now I think she should play both
> characters!  What do you think?

My vote would be for Amy Lame (that's an e-acute, really)

http://www.amylame.com/

She does "poisoned honey" like you would not believe ;-)
-- 
Phil




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 10:06:28 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:06:28 -0000
Subject: British meaning?
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Barbara:

> I was just wondering if the British definition of "Philosopher" is 
> close to the American definition of "Sorcerer." If not, I can't 
> understand the change from the British to American book versions. A 
> philosopher is a thinker, a scholar, in the American dictionary. 
> Sorcerer means magician. So I was just wonder if there is a British 
> meaning of Philosopher that is close to magician or did the 
> publishers just make a goofy change for us dumb Americans? :^)

Yes and no.

The modern British meaning of "philosopher" is exactly the same as 
the American one. However, the US publishers apparently thought that 
the specific term "philosopher's stone" was too obscure for the 
intended audience to grasp. I doubt actually that a very high 
proportion of JKR's British readership knew what the philosopher's 
stone was before they read the book (my intelligent and well educated 
husband certainly thought it was obscure). I guess that the 
Scholastic editors thought that "Sorceror's" told you instantly that 
the book was about magic, but I do find it a very irritating change.

It is, of course, a term from alchemy and dates from a time when the 
word "philosophy" had different connotations. In the Renaissance, a 
philosopher was essentially a scientist, one who examined the 
properties of matter and tried to understand how the universe worked 
(although that search might take in a wider field that what today 
would be regarded as science). This is reflected in Philip Pullman's 
use of the word in "His Dark Materials" where what we would call 
scientific instruments are referred to as "philosophical instruments".

So yes, it's a goofy change. Although some alchemists were interested 
in magic and there was no real boundary between magic and alchemy and 
what we would call science, I don't think that you could ever say 
that "philosopher" and "sorceror" were synonymous.

Having said that, I've just come across a book called, "Isaac Newton: 
The Last Sorceror" (Newton was into natural magic, alchemy, 
mysticism, etc. and did himself pursue the philospher's stone) so 
perhaps that's unfair. Or again, perhaps it's another example of a 
book title being (as that awful phrase current over here is) "sexed 
up" in order to make it more saleable.

~Eloise




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jun 21 10:07:31 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:07:31 -0000
Subject: British meaning?
In-Reply-To: <cb5rpp+fpd6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb6c13+2j80@eGroups.com>

Barbara asked:

> I was just wondering if the British definition of "Philosopher" is 
> close to the American definition of "Sorcerer." If not, I can't 
> understand the change from the British to American book versions. 
A 
> philosopher is a thinker, a scholar, in the American dictionary. 
> Sorcerer means magician. So I was just wonder if there is a 
British 
> meaning of Philosopher that is close to magician or did the 
> publishers just make a goofy change for us dumb Americans? :^)

As Wayne said, it's not really a matter of British versus American 
usage.  The Philosopher's Stone is real in the sense that it was 
something alchemists used to try to find or make.  JKR's description 
is accurate enough (if you believe in magic), though I'm not sure 
whether alchemists saw wealth and long life in literal or symbolic 
terms.  A bit of both, probably.

As I recall, the Scholastic were concerned, not so much with the 
ability of audiences to understand or enjoy the book, as with their 
initial reaction on seeing the cover.  After all, they couldn't 
anticipate the huge word-of-mouth spread of HP, and were considering 
how the title would affect the decision someone would make, on 
picking up the book in a store for the first time.  They may very 
well have been right, as far as the USA was concerned.

David




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 13:37:36 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: British meaning?
Message-ID: <20040621133736.7306.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com>


21June04

davewitley wrote:


"...As I recall, the Scholastic were concerned, not so much with the ability of audiences to understand or enjoy the book, as with their initial reaction on seeing the cover.... and were considering
how the title would affect the decision someone would make, on
picking up the book in a store for the first time. They may very
well have been right, as far as the USA was concerned."

Paula now:

I agree with you, David.  Let's face it, we Americans have more than a 50 year history of all day television, mass media, and dramatic advertising.  A "scholarly" word like philosopher isn't nearly as strong as an "action" work like sorcerer.

~Paula Gaon





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They are all together now.

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 13:37:39 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:37:39 -0000
Subject: Prof. Sprout, WAS Re: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
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Rita wrote:
 
> > My current theory is that Professor Sprout's personal name is 
> Beatrix
> > ('Beety'), her maiden name was Pollan, her son is named Alf and 
her
> > daughters are Acacia and Jacaranda.  

Bohcoo wrote:

> You forgot to mention that they were originally from 
> Brussels.

LMAO!

Amy Z
who just had a birthday, but wants Lupin to adopt Harry for her next 
one




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 13:45:26 2004
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:45:26 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
In-Reply-To: <cb5ofi+ltb2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb6opm+pn7m@eGroups.com>

mstattersall wrote:

> Hetero? What a concept! Thank goodness there are still a few of us 
> who agree. All the slash theories are beginning to bore.

Give the slashers a break.  Exactly who are the hetero males 
supposed to be involved with?  As Alice_loves_cats wrote, there 
aren't too many 

> strong, good, interesting (but not silly) female character[s]
>between the ages of 20 and 40

for fanfic authors to work with.

However, Alice, Tonks is a loony?  Them's fighting words.

Tonks for DADA!
Amy Z




From dramagoddess2u at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 14:12:10 2004
From: dramagoddess2u at yahoo.com (dramagoddess2u)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:12:10 -0000
Subject: Goblet film should coincide with World Cup 2006!
Message-ID: <cb6qbq+2uvd@eGroups.com>

Think of the excitement if the Quidditch WC and the soccer WC were 
going on at the same time-great marketing opps for Warner Bros, huh? 

(I have never posted here before-sorry to intrude)




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 21 14:15:35 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:15:35 -0000
Subject: One Thing I Want For My Birthday
Message-ID: <cb6qi7+h4nn@eGroups.com>

My birthday is coming up fast, this Sat. the 26th, so here's my one 
big wish. *Closes eyes, gets ready to blow out 37 candles*


Please JKR, make the giants and Grawp go away.




From entropymail at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 15:54:42 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:54:42 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
Message-ID: <cb70c2+hddd@eGroups.com>

Maybe I was just in a particularly silly mood this morning, but I just
couldn't stop giggling. It's called "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of
Azkaban in Fifteen Minutes". So funny!:


http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/2237.html?thread=39101

:: Entropy ::




From bumbledor at charter.net  Mon Jun 21 15:56:11 2004
From: bumbledor at charter.net (Bumbledor)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:56:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goblet film should coincide with World Cup 2006!
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dramagoddess2u" <dramagoddess2u at yahoo.com>

> Think of the excitement if the Quidditch WC and the soccer WC were
> going on at the same time-great marketing opps for Warner Bros, huh?

That would be great, but WB is 2 for 3, right now, and if they do GOF like
they want to (at 2.6 hours long) there won't be any time for Quidditch WC,
unless its
as short as the Quiddich in POA (which was Damm near NON EXISTANT, imho).




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun 21 17:27:02 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:27:02 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goblet film should coincide with World Cup 2006!
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> Think of the excitement if the Quidditch WC and the soccer WC were
> going on at the same time-great marketing opps for Warner Bros, huh?
>
> (I have never posted here before-sorry to intrude)
>
>
>
K

Did any of the UK fans notice that after Bulgaria's last game (and bonus
points if you managed to sit through the whole dull affair) Gary Linekar
made a comment about the fact that Bulgaria may not be much good at football
but at least they won the Quidditch world cup - well OK he was wrong there
but let's give him points for effort :)

K




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jun 21 17:30:34 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:30:34 -0000
Subject: British meaning?
In-Reply-To: <20040621133736.7306.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cb75vq+ca2i@eGroups.com>

I, David, wrote:
> 
> "...As I recall, the Scholastic were concerned, not so much with 
the ability of audiences to understand or enjoy the book, as with 
their initial reaction on seeing the cover.... and were considering
> how the title would affect the decision someone would make, on
> picking up the book in a store for the first time. They may very
> well have been right, as far as the USA was concerned."

Paula:

> I agree with you, David.  Let's face it, we Americans have more 
than a 50 year history of all day television, mass media, and 
dramatic advertising.  A "scholarly" word like philosopher isn't 
nearly as strong as an "action" work like sorcerer.

I should just clarify - I didn't intend my remarks as a slur on the 
intelligence or knowledge of American audiences.  I think that, in 
this case at least, British audiences are probably essentially the 
same.

We all have to choose what to read, and, even taking account of the 
recommendations of friends and professional critics (actually I 
rarely read book reviews), we often *are* in the situation of having 
to judge a book by its cover.  Bloomsbury made a judgement call to 
let (what I assume is) JKR's original title stand, and Scholastic 
made one to change it.  In the event, it probably didn't matter, but 
I can't say if it was a bad decision at the time.

David




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Mon Jun 21 17:52:54 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:52:54 -0000
Subject: the casting of Emma Thompson as prof. trelawney
In-Reply-To: <cb46qc+cehg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb779m+i5iq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zoelouisepike" 
<zoelouisepike at y...> wrote:

> Was anyone else disappointed in the choice of Emma Thompson as 
Prof. Trelawney? Ok, she's a fantastic actress but I can't help but 
think JKR's insistance on using British actors has gone too far this 
time. 

> I just felt Thompson's charming 'Englishness',as it were, just 
wasn't right for the eccenticity of the divination teacher.


Ali:

I think perhaps that you're confusing two issues: one, whether it is 
right to insist on British actors for the films, and two, whether 
Emma Thompson was good as Prof. Trelawney.

For me, I am interested in the best actors available for the roles. 
It is also important for me that they *sound* British. It is much 
easier to sound British, if you are British: I've seen relatively 
few non-Brits actors who can really get through the "Ali test" for 
sounding authentic. Thus, in general, it will be easier to have a 
British actor playing a British part - but that is a generalisation.

In terms of whether Thompson was good for the part, I liked her 
interpretation of Trelawney - although it was different, and more 
comical than I had imagined. I can't define Thompson by 
her "Englishness": I'm English, and I don't see the stereotyping 
there. She is playing an eccentric English character, eccentrically. 

It's very clear with most of the actors, that different people have 
very different views about how they rate the performance, but I 
think it unfair to blame any perceived shortcomings in Thompson's 
performance on the fact that JKR wanted British actors. I personally 
believe that was to ensure the films retained their basic British 
character and not to be unduly Americanised. There still are phrases 
which I do not believe an English child would say, but on the whole, 
the films have retained the basic character of the books.

Ali







From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 21 18:56:49 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:56:49 -0000
Subject: Ten Things I Want for My Birthday
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> 
wrote:
> mstattersall wrote:
> 
> > Hetero? What a concept! Thank goodness there are still a few of 
us 
> > who agree. All the slash theories are beginning to bore.
> 
> Give the slashers a break.  Exactly who are the hetero males 
> supposed to be involved with?  As Alice_loves_cats wrote, there 
> aren't too many 
> 
> > strong, good, interesting (but not silly) female character[s]
> >between the ages of 20 and 40
> 
> for fanfic authors to work with.
> 
> However, Alice, Tonks is a loony?  Them's fighting words.
> 
> Tonks for DADA!
> Amy Z


Alice:
Yeah, well I really would like to say that the only reason I wish for 
hetero relationships in furute JKR books is that I find them easier 
to identify with. I have spent a lot of time with gay friends 
analysing ourselves silly, and trying to gain insight into the 
other's mind, but I still remain somewhat clueless on the issue, and 
would prefer JKR to introduce some new characters rather than bond 
the already existent ones into homo couples. (Incidentally, fanfic 
writers seem to be doing THAT job admirably.)
Tonks... yeah Tonks is a loony, actually I think more so than Luna. I 
have a pair of flashing pink bunny-ears that I sometimes wear even to 
university, so maybe it's rich coming from me... but hey. 
Maybe we'll get to see more of her in the future and she'll improve 
on me. In fact I'm dead sure we're gonna see lots of her, JKR can NOT 
have introduced a Metamorphmagus for nothing. 
Love, Alice




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Jun 21 19:00:35 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:00:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the casting of Emma Thompson as prof.
 trelawney
In-Reply-To: <cb779m+i5iq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEGFCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

| From: Ali
| Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 13:53 PM
| It's very clear with most of the actors, that different people have
| very different views about how they rate the performance, but I
| think it unfair to blame any perceived shortcomings in Thompson's
| performance on the fact that JKR wanted British actors. I personally
| believe that was to ensure the films retained their basic British
| character and not to be unduly Americanised. There still are phrases
| which I do not believe an English child would say, but on the whole,
| the films have retained the basic character of the books.

[Lee]:
Curiosity striketh...to what phrases do you refer?  Curious American minds
who love "Brit speak" want to know. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
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From bd-bear at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 19:18:23 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara D. Poland-Waters)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:18:23 -0400
Subject: British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma Thompson as trelawney)
In-Reply-To: <cb779m+i5iq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBKEJBHJAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>

From: Ali [mailto:Ali at zymurgy.org]

It is much
easier to sound British, if you are British: I've seen relatively
few non-Brits actors who can really get through the "Ali test" for
sounding authentic. Thus, in general, it will be easier to have a
British actor playing a British part - but that is a generalisation.<<<

Just out of curiosity, how many of you Brits have seen Buffy the Vampire
Slayer? Okay, now do you think James Marsters and Alexis Denisof sound
British, because to my American ears, they sounded pretty convincing!

Just wondering. . .

Barbara
bd-bear




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun 21 19:55:47 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:55:47 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma Thompson as trelawney)
References: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBKEJBHJAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <004501c457c9$bf17af60$bcde6251@kathryn>

Barbara
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many of you Brits have seen Buffy the Vampire
> Slayer? Okay, now do you think James Marsters and Alexis Denisof sound
> British, because to my American ears, they sounded pretty convincing!
>

K

Alexis was better than James (imo) - although James was better as pre-Spike
William than as Spike. Not to mention oodles of bonus points for *singing*
in a (to him) foreign accent in Once More with feeling.

Of course technically you could say that since Spike was using an accent not
naturally his own that that explains it's occasional oddness.

I think the problem with a lot of non-Brit actors is they feel they can 'do'
British and are too confident (arrogant maybe) to get help. From what I've
read ASH basically acted as a voice coach for James.

Unfortunately for every Alexis Denisoff there's a Kevin Costner .... (or
probably two or three)

K




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Jun 21 20:14:17 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:14:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma
 Thompson as trelawney)
In-Reply-To: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBKEJBHJAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEGICPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

With all the talk of Americans trying to do the British accent, I have seen
some of the most horrible attempts from British and other UK folk to do
American accents.

Whenever I watch "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman," I have to ask why in the world
did Jane Seymour get the part?  And that's not the first time she's
struggled doing an American accent.

Another who comes to mind is Roma Downey...almost passable, but not really.

So, guess it works both ways...some can do it, some can't...no matter which
side of the pond one is on. <Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 20:26:49 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:26:49 -0000
Subject: British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma Thompson as trelawney)
In-Reply-To: <004501c457c9$bf17af60$bcde6251@kathryn>
Message-ID: <cb7ga9+jcfg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" 
<kcawte at n...> wrote:
> Barbara
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, how many of you Brits have seen Buffy the 
> > Vampire Slayer? Okay, now do you think James Marsters and Alexis 
> > Denisof sound British, because to my American ears, they sounded 
> > pretty convincing!
> 
> K:

> Alexis was better than James (imo) - although James was better as 
> pre-Spike William than as Spike. 

Alexis *should* be better at a British accent than James - he 
trained as an actor in London, then worked over here for about ten 
years. As I recall, he played both American and British roles while 
he was acting in the UK.

K:
> Not to mention oodles of bonus points for *singing*
> in a (to him) foreign accent in Once More with feeling.

James gets bonus points for that. Definitely. 

> K:
> Of course technically you could say that since Spike was using an 
> accent not naturally his own that that explains it's occasional 
> oddness.

They also gave Spike a back-story that included a lot of time in the 
U.S., which made it plausible that his accent would be 
slightly 'trans-atlantic'. It is a really good accent, though, when 
you consider that JM has spent almost no time in the UK. He also 
manages to shift between 'rough' and 'upper-class' Brit very well, 
depending on whether he's doing 'Spike', 'William', or 'Spike being 
Williamish' [grin].
 
K:
> I think the problem with a lot of non-Brit actors is they feel 
> they can 'do'British and are too confident (arrogant maybe) to get 
> help. 

Some of the problem seems to be the voice coaching. Stories abound 
from UK actors who've worked in the States, of U.S. voice coaches 
teaching the poor actors an accent that hasn't been used over here 
for 40 years or so. And then refusing to be told by the actual Brits 
that *nobody* speaks like that now, and that this is going to sound 
really weird when contrasted with the modern Brit accents ...


Pip!Squeak

You have been summoned; the first Harry Potter conference in the UK. 
http://www.accio.org.uk/ 




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Mon Jun 21 20:42:26 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:42:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FF question
References: <cb5kr2+rua5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <070d01c457d0$43737270$e60b8f45@Voov>

I don't have anyidea where you'd find this, but there's one called After The
End.  It's beautiful and haunting, and I'm not sure if it's on The Sugar
Quill or where, but if you can find it, don't miss it.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 22:45:11 2004
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:45:11 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
In-Reply-To: <cb70c2+hddd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb7odn+a8ie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" 
<entropymail at y...> wrote:
> Maybe I was just in a particularly silly mood this morning, but I 
just
> couldn't stop giggling. It's called "Harry Potter and the Prisoner 
of
> Azkaban in Fifteen Minutes". So funny!:
> 
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/2237.html?thread=39101
> 
> :: Entropy ::

Donna:

"The Richard Harris Memorial Toad Choir".  *Finally* someone's come 
up with a good reason for that being in the movie!

Very funny! Have some chocolate Entropy.






From patnkatng at cox.net  Tue Jun 22 01:10:12 2004
From: patnkatng at cox.net (Katrina)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:10:12 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
In-Reply-To: <cb7odn+a8ie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb80tk+g3fs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bookraptor11" 
<bookraptor11 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" 
> <entropymail at y...> wrote:
> > Maybe I was just in a particularly silly mood this morning, but 
I 
> just
> > couldn't stop giggling. It's called "Harry Potter and the 
Prisoner 
> of
> > Azkaban in Fifteen Minutes". So funny!:
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/2237.html?thread=39101
> > 
> > :: Entropy ::
> 
> Donna:
> 
> "The Richard Harris Memorial Toad Choir".  *Finally* someone's 
come 
> up with a good reason for that being in the movie!
> 
> Very funny! Have some chocolate Entropy.


It made my day.  I really needed a good laugh.

And did you see Snape's song debut?
"There is No Potion"
http://members.lycos.nl/likwi/potion.htm

Katrina




From lists at heidi8.com  Tue Jun 22 01:16:21 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:16:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FF question
In-Reply-To: <cb5kr2+rua5@eGroups.com>
References: <cb5kr2+rua5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1087866984.20FB360E@r31.dngr.org>


On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:36pm, Grrarrggh at aol.com wrote:
> Could someone suggest a good fanfic that would sort of take the place
of reading book 6? A fanfic that I can read while I wait (and wait
and wait and wait) for book 6 that is v. well written? Thanks!


The site I'm an admin for (http://www.fictionalley.org) has about fifty 
thousand stories & chapters, so can you narrow down what you're looking 
for?

Do you want a novel length fic written since OotP, set in 6th year? Or 
is any novel length fic ok? Or is something shorter, set in 6th year or 
some other time, ok? And is a really good fic that doesn't comport with 
OotP ok?

Heidi, keeper of fic rec lists galore



From kaisenji at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 03:33:38 2004
From: kaisenji at yahoo.com (Kaisenji)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:33:38 -0000
Subject: Universal City walk's Drive-in-HP & Sorcerer's Stone
Message-ID: <cb89ai+mj26@eGroups.com>

I am x-posting this just incase its kicked off HPFGU-California.  I
have more info in you want it--just email private (see note below)
That's pretty much what I wanted to share!  July 1st at 8p.m. on
Universal CityWalk in Universal City they will be showing for free, HP
and the Sorcerer's Stone. I wanted to let folks know in case anyone
wants to meet up there. 
I'm totally going.
Anyone interested?
Kai




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Jun 22 03:44:15 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:44:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Universal City walk's Drive-in-HP & Sorcerer's
 Stone
In-Reply-To: <cb89ai+mj26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEHECPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Ah--wish I had a purse full of galleons or a private magic carpet...<Sigh>
Guess I'll just have to plug in the SS DVD again.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 22 04:02:25 2004
From: jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net (julie w)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:02:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the casting of Emma Thompson as prof. trelawney
In-Reply-To: <cb779m+i5iq@eGroups.com>
References: <cb779m+i5iq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40D7AF51.8040901@sbcglobal.net>



Ali wrote:

>--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zoelouisepike" 
><zoelouisepike at y...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Was anyone else disappointed in the choice of Emma Thompson as 
>>    
>>
>Prof. Trelawney? Ok, she's a fantastic actress but I can't help but 
>think JKR's insistance on using British actors has gone too far this 
>time. 
>I just felt Thompson's charming 'Englishness',as it were, just 
>  
>
>wasn't right for the eccenticity of the divination teacher.
>  
>
I personally thought it was perfect.
Her costume left something to be desired, but the part was played to 
goofy perfection....I can't wait for Sybill's big scene in OOTP (if they 
leave it in, of course) I think Thompson will get it just right.

>Ali:
>
>I think perhaps that you're confusing two issues: one, whether it is 
>right to insist on British actors for the films, and two, whether 
>Emma Thompson was good as Prof. Trelawney.
>
>For me, I am interested in the best actors available for the roles. 
>It is also important for me that they *sound* British. It is much 
>easier to sound British, if you are British: I've seen relatively 
>few non-Brits actors who can really get through the "Ali test" for 
>sounding authentic. Thus, in general, it will be easier to have a 
>British actor playing a British part - but that is a generalisation.
>
>In terms of whether Thompson was good for the part, I liked her 
>interpretation of Trelawney - although it was different, and more 
>comical than I had imagined. I can't define Thompson by 
>her "Englishness": I'm English, and I don't see the stereotyping 
>there. She is playing an eccentric English character, eccentrically. 
>
>It's very clear with most of the actors, that different people have 
>very different views about how they rate the performance, but I 
>think it unfair to blame any perceived shortcomings in Thompson's 
>performance on the fact that JKR wanted British actors. I personally 
>believe that was to ensure the films retained their basic British 
>character and not to be unduly Americanised. There still are phrases 
>which I do not believe an English child would say, but on the whole, 
>the films have retained the basic character of the books.
>
>Ali
>  
>
As an American who adores British films and the fantastic slew of actors 
and actresses across the pond I am so very, very glad that we have not 
had to endure a star turn by Brad Pitt, Johnny Deep, Keanu (sp?) Reeves 
or (God Forbid!) Tom Cruise. Its not that I do not like these actors, I 
do (well all but Cruise), its just that there are so many great British 
ones why get a American who might (but probably will not) be able to 
handle the accent? To me the movies have always been at their best when 
the adults are on screen......
I just seems silly to make what is a essentially British film (ie 
Bridget Jones Diary) and use American actors.
Julie W in AR

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From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:09:05 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:09:05 -0000
Subject: British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma Thompson as trelawney)
In-Reply-To: <cb7ga9+jcfg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb90g1+42rq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> Some of the problem seems to be the voice coaching. Stories abound 
> from UK actors who've worked in the States, of U.S. voice coaches 
> teaching the poor actors an accent that hasn't been used over here 
> for 40 years or so. And then refusing to be told by the actual 
Brits 
> that *nobody* speaks like that now, and that this is going to sound 
> really weird when contrasted with the modern Brit accents ...

Alice:
Yeah, I was once told by my British Dad that my pronunciation is 
sometimes that of a 1950s actor. Which is spectacularly unfair, 
considering that I speak EXACTLY the way he does, because he taught 
me. But while it's NORMAL for him to speak in an old-fashioned 
accent, because he's 60, I always sound a bit out-of-place during my 
first days in England. However, at least I adapt quickly, usually to 
a sort of London young people's pronunciation. I wears off in the 
course of my year at home (in Budapest), and surfaces again next time 
I'm in England. 

On the other topic: I think Renee Zellweger as Bridget Jones did an 
EXCELLENT job learning the required accent, but of course she had 
lots and lots of coaching. Quite right, too, she couldn't have pulled 
it off otherwise. I remember my horror when I first heard an American 
actress would be playing Bridget. 

Love, Alice




From miamibarb at BellSouth.net  Tue Jun 22 11:50:48 2004
From: miamibarb at BellSouth.net (Barb Roberts)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:50:48 -0400
Subject: Yorkshire Pudding and Golden syrup
Message-ID: <672535F5-C442-11D8-A66E-000A95DC8A32@bellsouth.net>

Sorry if this is late. I even posted it to the wrong list, and had to 
get elves help me. Oh la la

I grew up eating Yorkshire pudding. It is alive and well in the 
Southern US
cooking.

Yorkshire Pudding is not a pastry. Not at all. Rather, It's made from a
popover batter (a light "eggy" pancake batter) that is cooked in the 
juices from a roast or in
away that catches some of the juices. The batter is poured around or 
under a cooking
roast (if you have the roast on a rack above the drip pan.) Sometimes 
Yorkshire pudding is
cooked in a hotter oven after the roast is finished. The outside edge 
puffs up (the
popover) while the center stays flat and flavorful.

Thanks to the person who mentioned a way to recreate Golden Syrup. 
Where I
live (in theUS) it's very expensive, if you find it at all . It's makes 
wonderful
gingerbread though.

Barbara Roberts (Ivogun)





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 22 13:34:22 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:34:22 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
In-Reply-To: <cb80tk+g3fs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb9cgu+brsn@eGroups.com>

>Katrina: 
> It made my day.  I really needed a good laugh.
> 
> And did you see Snape's song debut?
> "There is No Potion"
> http://members.lycos.nl/likwi/potion.htm


Jen: LOL! "...you can brew glory, but you cannot put a stopper on my 
pain." 

Hey does anyone know what happened to those other puppet shows by 
the same guy, the one with Harry & Ron trying to catch LV? Last time 
I checked the site was down.




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Tue Jun 22 13:37:37 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:37:37 -0000
Subject: Brit speak was: Re: the casting of Emma Thompson as prof. trelawney
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOAEGFCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cb9cn1+69j7@eGroups.com>

I, Ali wrote:

>>There still are phrases which I do not believe an English child 
would say, but on the whole,the films have retained the basic 
character of the books.>>
 
>> Lee asked:
Curiosity striketh...to what phrases do you refer?  Curious American 
minds who love "Brit speak" want to know. :-)>>

Ali again:

The bit which manages to bug me everytime I hear it is when any of 
the kids call any one other than their teachers "sir". Teachers are 
commonly called "sir" or "miss", afterall people are lazy, and it's 
quicker than saying Mr So-and-so or whatever, but British kinds 
don't call their parents or their friends "sir". 

I know when I first saw PS, Harry sounded funny saying "I haven't 
any money" rather than "I haven't got any money" which was in the 
book, PS. That didn't sound quite right to me although was minor. As 
a generalisation, Brits add in the word "got" to the present tense 
of the verb "to have2 eg "Have you got?" not "Do you have?"

In PoA, Harry calls the twins "guys". I haven't decided whether that 
does sound right or not. Brits do now use the term "guy", but I'm 
tempted to think that in that sentence, Brits would just have 
said "come on" rather than "come on guys". 

I know these are small nitpicks, and certainly pale into 
insignificance when compared with my total disgust at the film 
ending of CoS, or even turning Hermione into Superwoman!Hermione 
(and Ron into a clown) in PoA, but I feel they should have got it 
right! I suspect that Steve Kloves etc, wouldn't know that British 
kids don't say "sir", and perhaps David Heyman lived in the States 
so long he forgot.

Ali





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 15:26:59 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:26:59 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
In-Reply-To: <cb9cgu+brsn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cb9j43+3ruj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...>
wrote:
> >Katrina: 
> > It made my day.  I really needed a good laugh.
> > 
> > And did you see Snape's song debut?
> > "There is No Potion"
> > http://members.lycos.nl/likwi/potion.htm
> 
> 
> Jen: LOL! "...you can brew glory, but you cannot put a stopper on my 
> pain." 
> 
> Hey does anyone know what happened to those other puppet shows by 
> the same guy, the one with Harry & Ron trying to catch LV? Last time 
> I checked the site was down.

Annemehr:
It seems to be working now:

http://www.potterpuppetpals.com/

Funny that Snape's song isn't here, though...






From ithildin at ondragonswing.com  Tue Jun 22 15:45:35 2004
From: ithildin at ondragonswing.com (Ithildin)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:45:35 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yorkshire Pudding and Golden syrup
In-Reply-To: <672535F5-C442-11D8-A66E-000A95DC8A32@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040622084432.03249120@mail.ondragonswing.com>

At 07:50 AM 6/22/2004 -0400, Barb Roberts wrote:
>I grew up eating Yorkshire pudding. It is alive and well in the
>Southern US
>cooking.

And it's alive and well here in CA too. It's my favourite dinner -- roast 
beef and Yorkshire pudding with lots of gravy. Mmmm!


Denise * ithildin at ondragonswing.com* Ith
http://ondragonswing.com/dragonstone
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Celts In Space: The List!!
Embarking now at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CeltsInSpace
Want to talk about Celtic themes in literature, music & life?
Then get on board and prepare for warp speed email discussion!
(ship's crew not responsible for possession by alien life forms)






From bd-bear at verizon.net  Tue Jun 22 17:44:25 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara D. Poland-Waters)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:44:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
In-Reply-To: <cb9cgu+brsn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBKELHHJAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>

>Katrina:
> It made my day.  I really needed a good laugh.
>
> And did you see Snape's song debut?
> "There is No Potion"
> http://members.lycos.nl/likwi/potion.htm


Jen: LOL! "...you can brew glory, but you cannot put a stopper on my
pain." <<<


Oh my God! LOL Was that supposed to be Harry or Ron at the end? Did anyone
else notice Snape sounded like Dr. Evil and the other voice sounded like
Miss Piggy!

Barbara
bd-bear




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 19:51:14 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
Message-ID: <20040622195114.21079.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>

22June04
 "There is No Potion"  http://members.lycos.nl/likwi/potion.htm



Absolutely brilliant!  Watched it three times!

 

~Paula Gaon



See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

    "...Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning."













		
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From patnkatng at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 01:47:46 2004
From: patnkatng at cox.net (Katrina)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:47:46 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Movie in 15 Minutes
In-Reply-To: <cb9cgu+brsn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbang2+cbm3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
wrote:
> >Katrina: 
> > It made my day.  I really needed a good laugh.
> > 
> > And did you see Snape's song debut?
> > "There is No Potion"
> > http://members.lycos.nl/likwi/potion.htm
> 
> 
> Jen: LOL! "...you can brew glory, but you cannot put a stopper on 
my 
> pain." 
> 
> Hey does anyone know what happened to those other puppet shows by 
> the same guy, the one with Harry & Ron trying to catch LV? Last 
time 
> I checked the site was down.

They've become too popular and keep exceeding their bandwidth 
allotment.

The original PPP have a web journal site at 
http://www.livejournal.com/community/potterpals_fans/ and that's 
where I found the link to the Snape song.

Katrina




From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 02:36:49 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:36:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Advice for the writer
Message-ID: <20040623023649.45731.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>

I am currently re-reading OoTP and am enjoying it
immensely. As a
technical writer who specializes in writing
documentation for computer
software, I was amused by a line in Hagrid's
description of his trip to
visit the giants:

"In any case, giants like Karkus - overload 'em with
information an'
they'll kill yeh jus' to simplify things."

Good advice for writers, I think. :-)

Suzanne 



		
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From bugeyedmonster2 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 03:19:40 2004
From: bugeyedmonster2 at yahoo.com (Barbara Miller)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:19:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT yahoo group for medical fanfiction advice
Message-ID: <20040623031940.60413.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com>

 
Hey y'all! I thought that I'd pass this on.  I'm sure
there are several fanfic writers here whom would/could
use this group.
 
Later! (^_^)/
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
This list is for people who write (or edit) fanfiction
and include medical information--when characters are
injured or ill, for use in fanfic about doctors, or as
part of historical information in period pieces.

People on this list may be able to supply advice on
specific medical issues for your stories. If they
cannot, they may direct questioners to research
materials. For both ethical and legal reasons, people
cannot, of course, offer medical advice for real-life
situations.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fanfic_med/      





		
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jun 23 08:59:42 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:59:42 -0000
Subject: Advice for the writer
In-Reply-To: <20040623023649.45731.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbbgpu+cit0@eGroups.com>

Suzanne wrote:

> "In any case, giants like Karkus - overload 'em with
> information an'
> they'll kill yeh jus' to simplify things."
> 
> Good advice for writers, I think. :-)

And here's another, from Dr Johnson:

"Read over your compositions, and where ever you meet with a passage 
which you think is particularly fine, strike it out."

David





From sfischer at hunter.com  Wed Jun 23 15:05:20 2004
From: sfischer at hunter.com (Fischer, Shari)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:05:20 -0500
Subject: the casting of Emma Thompson as prof. trelawney
Message-ID: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A693@mailbox.Hunter.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zoelouisepike" 
<zoelouisepike at y...> wrote:

> Was anyone else disappointed in the choice of Emma Thompson as 
Prof. Trelawney? Ok, she's a fantastic actress but I can't help but 
think JKR's insistance on using British actors has gone too far this 
time. 

I was disappointed because she's a famous actress (I have a sneaking
suspicion that when the last book is made into a movie, Hugh Grant will be
playing Harry).  My pick for Trelawney would have been the actress who
plays 'Miss Bat' on The Worst Witch (HBO).  Her name is Una Stubbs.  I
don't know if she's British, but she plays the dreamy, 'head in the
clouds' type perfectly!

Shari
http://www.galafilm.com/worstwitch/english/


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From paulined at optushome.com.au  Wed Jun 23 18:50:06 2004
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:50:06 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the casting of Emma Thompson as
  prof. trelawney
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A693@mailbox.Hunter.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040624044659.02b87260@mail>


>I was disappointed because she's a famous actress (I have a sneaking
>suspicion that when the last book is made into a movie, Hugh Grant will be
>playing Harry).  My pick for Trelawney would have been the actress who
>plays 'Miss Bat' on The Worst Witch (HBO).  Her name is Una Stubbs.  I
>don't know if she's British, but she plays the dreamy, 'head in the
>clouds' type perfectly!


She is British, and played Rita in the brilliant "Till Death Us Do Part" in 
the late 60's, early 70's.   Incidentally, in that she was "married" to the 
father in law of Tony Blair.   I thought Emma was OK.  Most of the adults 
in the series are played by well known, respected actors.



Love Pauline

"How we feel about ourselves, the joy we get from living, ultimately 
depends directly on how the mind filters and interprets everyday 
experiences." -  Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi 

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From helenhorsley at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 23 19:53:27 2004
From: helenhorsley at hotmail.com (dorapye)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:53:27 -0000
Subject: the casting of Emma Thompson as prof. trelawney
In-Reply-To: <BB7A3D4475F89F4696DC91D40AA5F38F0110A693@mailbox.Hunter.com>
Message-ID: <cbcn3n+97bk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Fischer, Shari" 
<sfischer at h...> wrote:
>> 
> My pick for Trelawney would have been the actress who
> plays 'Miss Bat' on The Worst Witch (HBO).  Her name is Una 
Stubbs.  

dorapye:
OOOH yes! Una Stubbs would have been superb - she can do 'kooky 
fruitbat' to perfection! Good choice.

I
> don't know if she's British, but she plays the dreamy, 'head in the
> clouds' type perfectly!
> 

What?!! You mean you never saw Summer Holiday??! With the lovely Sir 
Cliff?  

Must only be us Brits that have to endure it then...

dorapye




From helenhorsley at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 23 20:07:39 2004
From: helenhorsley at hotmail.com (dorapye)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:07:39 -0000
Subject: Dudley's tribute
Message-ID: <cbcnub+b90g@eGroups.com>

dorapye:
Okay, there is an HP-vagueness to this post, but do you remember a 
discussion thread in HPfGU a few weeks (?days? I lose track) ago 
about when exactly Dudley's birthday was? I'm pretty sure Steve from 
The Lexicon had pinpointed it to the 23rd of June (today - Happy 
Birthday, Dudders!)

And I remember thinking, 'Ah, what shame for those HP fans who 
happen to share a birthday with *Dudley*!' and allowed myself to 
feel gratefully smug that my birthday fell a little earlier in the 
month.

And in my relief that my sister hadn't dropped her sprog on my 
birthday (huh!), totally forgot that she might be due around this 
time (actually, I can't remember if I ever discussed her due-date 
with her).

So, yup, you guessed it, she had a little boy today. And then this 
thought occurred to me: 'oh, shame, Dudley Dursley's birthday.'  Not 
a thought I could share with many.  And I expect, now, I will 
remember my nephew's birthday as just that, for the rest of his life.

No name as yet, though I'm hoping it never occurs to them to call 
it 'Dudley'.  




From helenhorsley at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 23 20:23:20 2004
From: helenhorsley at hotmail.com (dorapye)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:23:20 -0000
Subject: FF question
In-Reply-To: <cb5kr2+rua5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbcoro+r46f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Grrarrggh at a... wrote:
> Could someone suggest a good fanfic that would sort of take the 
place 
> of reading book 6? A fanfic that I can read while I wait (and wait 
> and wait and wait) for book 6 that is v. well written? Thanks!
> 
> Tamara

dorapye (Helen):
As a Sugar Quill beta, I have to direct you www.sugarquill.net for 
all your fanfiction cravings.

Here you will find Arabella and Zsenya's After The End, as 
recommended by Firedancer, plus a whole host of others to suit all 
R/H  + H/G tastes (plus some S/R too!).  

If you let me know what type of fic you're looking for, (multi-
chaptered? Short story? AU? OC? 6th year?) I can recommend some 
stories and authors to you on The Sugar Quill. Otherwise, you could 
just explore and take pot luck; I'm sure you'll find something to 
take your fancy. Have fun!




From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 23 21:35:55 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:35:55 -0000
Subject: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
Message-ID: <cbct3r+89lg@eGroups.com>

Having read the amazing post on Dudley's birthday :), I thought it 
was time for me to post my utterly silly post with a hopefully reader-
attracting subject-line.

So, how come Voldermort is my ex-boyfriend? Well, maybe it would be 
better to say, my ex-boyfriend is Voldemort.

Till about two months ago, I had (what I thought was a) wonderful and 
perfect boyfriend, who then proceeded to break up with me, having 
lost interest in me. 

Well, you cannot put a stopper on my pain, basically. 

But after a lot of healing time, I realised I can now actually talk 
about him (I am forced to, we belong to the same college of about 100 
people), but there remains one sting: his name.

It goes like this: I discuss something related to him, and feel proud 
of myself because I'm fine about it. Then someone actually says THE 
NAME. Sting! Sting! Needle in my throat, and a slight sickness.

When I understood this, I began calling him The Guy We Do Not Name, 
and then He Who Must Not Be Named. And finally, to simplify things: 
Voldemort. (Voldy for short, sorry JKR...) He is now officially 
Voldermort to me and a couple of equally crazy friends of mine...

:)
Just thought I'd share my misery, and try and laugh about it.
Love, Alice




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 21:52:18 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:52:18 -0000
Subject: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cbct3r+89lg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbcu2i+kdor@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats" 
<hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:
> But after a lot of healing time, I realised I can now actually 
talk 
> about him (I am forced to, we belong to the same college of about 
100 
> people), but there remains one sting: his name.
> 
> It goes like this: I discuss something related to him, and feel 
proud 
> of myself because I'm fine about it. Then someone actually says 
THE 
> NAME. Sting! Sting! Needle in my throat, and a slight sickness.


My best friend was married to a jerk for 9 yrs, and finally escaped 
to a battered women's shelter.  He is known by many names such as 
the Prince of Darkness and Darth Maul.  When we became Harry Potter 
fiends a few years ago, he became Voldemort and that's who he is to 
this day.  So when she says, "VOLDEMORT had the nerve to call 
today.."  we giggle.  But, seriously, he's not far from Voldemort. 

;)  Alora




From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 00:31:37 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:31:37 -0000
Subject: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cbct3r+89lg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbd7d9+gebh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alice_loves_cats"
<hypercolor99 at h...> wrote:
> Well, you cannot put a stopper on my pain, basically. 
> 
> It goes like this: I discuss something related to him, and feel proud 
> of myself because I'm fine about it. Then someone actually says THE 
> NAME. Sting! Sting! Needle in my throat, and a slight sickness.
> 
> When I understood this, I began calling him The Guy We Do Not Name, 
> and then He Who Must Not Be Named. And finally, to simplify things: 
> Voldemort. (Voldy for short, sorry JKR...) He is now officially 
> Voldermort to me and a couple of equally crazy friends of mine...
> 

Alice:

So funny! I, too, have a friend who done me wrong (under different
circumstances), and after many months of requesting that no one even
mention his name around here, he has come to be known in our home as
"He Who Must Not Be Named".   Even my non-HP-obsessed husband has come
to use the term!

:: Entropy ::




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 00:40:26 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:40:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
References: <cbd7d9+gebh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <074001c45983$d80f84a0$e60b8f45@Voov>

O was once in love with a very dangerous man.  Thank God, it's all over, but
one of my last  sort of official things I did was decide to never refer to
him by his name.  He has a beautiful name, but I don't feel he's worthy to
bear it.  He has no idea of any of this, but I do it for me.  So he's simply
the guy down state.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 00:42:38 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:42:38 -0000
Subject: British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma Thompson as trelawney)
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEGICPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cbd81u+vf6l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> With all the talk of Americans trying to do the British accent, I
have seen
> some of the most horrible attempts from British and other UK folk to do
> American accents.
> 
> Whenever I watch "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman," I have to ask why in
the world
> did Jane Seymour get the part?  And that's not the first time she's
> struggled doing an American accent.
> 
> Another who comes to mind is Roma Downey...almost passable, but not
really.

True.   Though not British, the two actors I've seen who always seem
to have a bit of an accent creep through when they're doing an
American accent are Nicole Kidman and Mel Gibson (and Gibson should
know better, as he's spent so much of his life in the US).  Very
hurtful to my ears. 

:: Entropy ::




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jun 24 01:24:07 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:24:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FF question
In-Reply-To: <cbcoro+r46f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEKACPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Okay, on the subject of Fanfic, and please feel free to write to me off
list...
I'm looking for stories of any length which fall into these criteria:

1. No strong language or gratuitous expletives;

2. No gratuitous, unnecessary or graphic sex or innuendo thereof;

3. No same-sex SHIPs;

4. In short, nice, true-to-characters, PG, I-Can-Share-Them-With-My-Husband
stories or poems or whatever.

I've tried to look through titles and descriptions, but there's a lot and
I'm boggled, :-) so any first-hand help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Lee, The--uh--Desperate???

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From lists at heidi8.com  Thu Jun 24 01:30:09 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:30:09 -0000
Subject: FF Answers (was Re: FF question)
In-Reply-To: <cbcoro+r46f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbdar1+v7j7@eGroups.com>

Tamara asked: 

> > Could someone suggest a good fanfic that would sort of take the 
> place 
> > of reading book 6? A fanfic that I can read while I wait (and 
wait 
> > and wait and wait) for book 6 that is v. well written? Thanks!


Helen posted a rec for After the End, as did someone else. While 
there are certainly commendable things about that story, let me give 
you notice that it is *not* a sixth year fic - it was primarily 
written between GoF and OotP, and it takes place in a post-book-
seven timeline. For a long time, SQ actually wouldn't host any AU 
fics, and for about nine months after OotP's release, they wouldn't 
host anything that took place after the post-OotP-summer, but in the 
last month or so, they've relaxed their rules a bit. 

If you're looking for fics that have been written since OotP, you 
can find a few hundred of them in FictionAlley's "Sorting" forum, 
especially at this url: 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=36180 - the most useful thing about the Sorting forum is 
that a fic doesn't have to be hosted on FictionAlley to be listed; a 
number of authors who don't want to post their fics in multiple 
locations add them to the Sorting's "databases" anyway. 


Also, last fall, I wrote an article for Movie Magic Magazine (they 
contacted me, totally out of the blue, last October) with a number 
of fanfic recs - some of the ones I originally included didn't make 
it into the article, but the whole thing is now up here: 
http://www.fictionalley.org/MovieMagic.html - Ari O's fic is a post-
5th-year, as is Cassandra Claire's terrifically funny Draco-and-
Ginny fic A LOT TO BE UPSET ABOUT, which is at 
http://www.astronomytower.org/cgi-bin/links/jump.cgi?ID=10786 and 
features CAPSLOCK!Harry (aka a Harry who yells a lot, like in OotP). 

Sam's fics, which are linked to from that article, are universally 
brilliant, especially is much-lauded Stealing Harry, which is now at 
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Samvimes/Stealing_Harry/ - it's 
an alternate universe that explores what could have happened if 
Remus had stopped Sirius before he found Peter. The sequel is 
currently a work in progress, and regularly posted on Sam's 
livejournal - there are links from the end of Stealing Harry to it, 
but since you shouldn't read it without reading SH, I won't post the 
links here; anyone who wants them can email me. 

Hopefully, you'll find some good fics among those recs. 



Heidi
(also an admin at FictionAlley)




From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Jun 24 03:14:39 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:14:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Now, my wishlist RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FF question
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEKACPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
References: <cbcoro+r46f@eGroups.com>
    <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEKACPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1629.4.47.27.237.1088046879.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Lee said:

> Okay, on the subject of Fanfic, and please feel free to write to me off
> list...
> I'm looking for stories of any length which fall into these criteria:
>
> 1. No strong language or gratuitous expletives;

I'm looking for HP fic that would make Colin Farrell sound like a choir
boy in comparison.


> 2. No gratuitous, unnecessary or graphic sex or innuendo thereof;

As gratuitous as in/humanly possible.


> 3. No same-sex SHIPs;

Bring on the slash!


> 4. In short, nice, true-to-characters, PG,
> I-Can-Share-Them-With-My-Husband
> stories or poems or whatever.

Preferably stories that can't be shared with any relatives.

{tries smiling then...} $%^%^^$&%^#%^!!!!one23!!!

God has smite me for all my evil with pain for the past two days and now I
can't feel part of my jaw.  Sucks... and not in a good way.

Might as well blame the explicit fanfic for drooling rather than actual
health conditions. {wink}

Dina





From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 24 09:25:39 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:25:39 -0000
Subject: FF question
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEKACPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cbe6mj+5rd3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> Okay, on the subject of Fanfic, and please feel free to write to me 
off
> list...
> I'm looking for stories of any length which fall into these 
criteria:
> 
> 1. No strong language or gratuitous expletives;
> 
> 2. No gratuitous, unnecessary or graphic sex or innuendo thereof;
> 
> 3. No same-sex SHIPs;
> 
> 4. In short, nice, true-to-characters, PG, I-Can-Share-Them-With-My-
Husband
> stories or poems or whatever.
> 
> I've tried to look through titles and descriptions, but there's a 
lot and
> I'm boggled, :-) so any first-hand help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Lee, The--uh--Desperate???


I can't actually remember whether it goes by all your rules, but I 
have a great favourite among fanfics, which is Ezzie's Destiny of 
Souls and the sequel, A Mortal Enemy (both are novel-length fics, 
both basically finished - AME lacks a last chapter but really doesn't 
need to be good). They can be found on fanfiction.net, search for 
Ezzie. 
They are Snape/OC, but actually as the story goes on we get to see a 
lot of Harry&Co as well, and geez, it has a so-called PLOT. A very 
good one, too, I think. 
Well, anyway. Hope someone finds this helpful.
Love, Alice




From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Thu Jun 24 12:24:51 2004
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (ms_tamany)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:24:51 -0000
Subject: British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma Thompson as trelawney)
In-Reply-To: <cbd81u+vf6l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbeh6j+qhjs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" 
<entropymail at y...> wrote:
>
> 
> Though not British, the two actors I've seen who always seem
> to have a bit of an accent creep through when they're doing an
> American accent are Nicole Kidman and Mel Gibson (and Gibson should
> know better, as he's spent so much of his life in the US).  Very
> hurtful to my ears. 
> 
> :: Entropy ::


Well, I'm not gonna make any apologies for Kidman, since she's quite 
Australian, but Mel Gibson, being American by birth, by definition, 
has an American accent.  ;-)

No, really, though, what *kind* of American accent are you looking 
for?  Boston?  Seattle?  Arizona?  Texas?  
Mississsississiissiipppi?  We're a big place, with a LOT of 
accents.  Though, it's true that, since the advent of television, 
our regional accents have been melding as we've been exposed to 
wider and wider cross-section of actors, reporters, and commentators.

Anyway, it just struck me as funny, about Mel Gibson not having an 
American accent.  His beautiful Aussie accent has been TOO 
Americanized, to me!  :-D

***
Tammy
ms-tamany at rcn.com




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Jun 24 20:24:40 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:24:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cbct3r+89lg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEELNCPAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hey Alice,
I'm so sorry you have to deal with a Voldemort Ex...not a great situation,
for sure.  I had an Ex like that...and he made my life miserable, constantly
appearing where he knew I'd be and making sure to sit at my table at the
cafeteria...the works.

Well, fortunately I had some friends in high places, as it were, who were
more than willing to shield me from the worst and kick him off the premises,
etc.

But, been there, done that, and think I'm a better and stronger person for
it. <Grin>

Hugs!
Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,     | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;    | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,     | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow;  | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 21:09:45 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:09:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
Message-ID: <20040624210945.47934.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>


24June04

Lee wrote:


Hey Alice,
I'm so sorry you have to deal with a Voldemort Ex... I had an Ex like that...and he made my life miserable,... 

Paula now:

Hummmm, makes me wonder if I have a touch of Umbridge in me.  My ex stayed gone.  Had no idea where he was for more than 10 years.

~Paula Gaon




See the Magical Creatures.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142

They are all together now.

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From esk at europa.com  Fri Jun 25 09:06:13 2004
From: esk at europa.com (eskcindy)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:06:13 -0000
Subject: Miscellany
Message-ID: <cbgpu5+c44q@eGroups.com>

I'm not usually the type to bore people with the details of my 
dreams, but I had a fantastic dream the other night, and the premise 
was just too funny not to share. In the dream I was a teacher at a 
preschool (muggle), and guess who was the other teacher? None other 
than Severus Snape (as played by Alan Rickman), oddly in full 
Hogwarts regalia! The mental picture alone is hilarious, Snape 
having to marshal dozens of 3 and 4 year-olds into circle time. 
Imagine Severus having to lead a rousing chorus of "The Wheels on 
the Bus"? LOL Of course I had to have words with him, as he was 
scaring the you-know-what out of several of the 3 year-olds!

The other thing was that a couple of months ago I received a DVD set 
of all the Monty Python's Flying Circus episodes for my birthday. I 
was watching one of the episodes (titled "You're No Fun Anymore") 
when along came the "Science Fiction Sketch". The premise was that 
aliens (who also happened to be blancmanges) were transforming 
Englishmen into Scotsmen via a ray from their UFOs. What caught my 
ear was that the first man to be transformed into a Scotsman by 
aliens was named "Harold Potter". The coincidence was even stranger 
when they showed a football/soccer match played by two of the few 
remaining Englishmen, and the one man in the bleachers (played by 
Eric Idle) was wearing a scarf identical to the Gryffindor scarves 
in the first two Harry Potter movies. Coincidence or not? If not it 
certainly makes background research seem a lot more interesting. <g>

Cindy




From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jun 25 10:53:53 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:53:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] U.K. units of measure
In-Reply-To: <cbgpu5+c44q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040625105353.11879.qmail@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



Hi all,

Not having seen anything on the list like this before I thought I would post it.

I have just answered a query with regard to one of my Fics At www.Fanfiction.net/~udderpd and I thought that part of the answer might well be of interest to other would be writers not based in the U.K.

The fundamental question was do we in Britain use metric dimensions?

If you drive a car: we measure speed in m.p.h.and distance in miles but we buy our Petrol (Gas) in litres. 

Inside houses we have what I call 9.99 syndrome (do they really think that 9.99 sounds less than 10? Be it ?, $, ?, or whatever ) property vendors think that; e.g. over 26 feet sounds more than 8 mtrs, so they use feet.

Come on it gets better yet; our grocers and greengrocers are forced, by the Government, to sell everything in metric units, great easy you might think, wrong, e.g. we buy milk in containers holding 0.568 of a litre or one imperial (U.K.) pint. Which for the benifit of our North American friends is twenty fluid ounces as opposed to the U.S. pint which is sixteen fluid ounces.

If it wasn't so stupid it might be funny.

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From entropymail at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 16:28:42 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:28:42 -0000
Subject: British Accents (WAS: the casting of Emma Thompson as trelawney)
In-Reply-To: <cbeh6j+qhjs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbhjrq+qhu2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ms_tamany" <ms-tamany at r...>
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" 
> <entropymail at y...> wrote:
> >
> No, really, though, what *kind* of American accent are you looking 
> for?  Boston?  Seattle?  Arizona?  Texas?  
> Mississsississiissiipppi?  We're a big place, with a LOT of 
> accents.  
> Anyway, it just struck me as funny, about Mel Gibson not having an 
> American accent.  His beautiful Aussie accent has been TOO 



Hmmm, I guess it's not so much a *lack* of "American" accent, but
rather the creeping in of those Australian vowels every once in a
while, when you know they really shouldn't be there.  (Like the "a" of
an Australian "mate", for instance).

Anyway, I can really see JKR's point about using Brits in the movies.
 First,  any accent from a non-native is always tricky to pull off. 
Even subtle nuances can be distracting to the audience. Second,
there's nothing wrong with being pro-Brit.  Hollywood has had such a
chunk of the movie industry for so long, why not  try to keep it "all
in the family" if she wants to?!

Personally, that Aussie accent is a bit harsh for my ears. I'll take
that Irish accent any day. The Welsh one is nice, too. But, being a
harsh-accented New Yorker, who am I to judge?    :)

:: Entropy ::




From spin01 at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 16:59:35 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:59:35 -0000
Subject: Dudley's tribute
In-Reply-To: <cbcnub+b90g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbhlln+e6vl@eGroups.com>

Had to laugh when I read the post below.  My daughter had her son on 
Wednesday the 23rd of june.  He is a lovely baby.  no chance of them 
calling him dudley though lol.  He is Ayden.  
sherry

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dorapye" <helenhorsley at h...> 
wrote:
> dorapye:
> Okay, there is an HP-vagueness to this post, but do you remember a 
> discussion thread in HPfGU a few weeks (?days? I lose track) ago 
> about when exactly Dudley's birthday was? I'm pretty sure Steve 
from 
> The Lexicon had pinpointed it to the 23rd of June (today - Happy 
> Birthday, Dudders!)
> 
> And I remember thinking, 'Ah, what shame for those HP fans who 
> happen to share a birthday with *Dudley*!' and allowed myself to 
> feel gratefully smug that my birthday fell a little earlier in the 
> month.
> 
> And in my relief that my sister hadn't dropped her sprog on my 
> birthday (huh!), totally forgot that she might be due around this 
> time (actually, I can't remember if I ever discussed her due-date 
> with her).
> 
> So, yup, you guessed it, she had a little boy today. And then this 
> thought occurred to me: 'oh, shame, Dudley Dursley's birthday.'  
Not 
> a thought I could share with many.  And I expect, now, I will 
> remember my nephew's birthday as just that, for the rest of his 
life.
> 
> No name as yet, though I'm hoping it never occurs to them to call 
> it 'Dudley'.





From abush at maine.rr.com  Sat Jun 26 05:57:16 2004
From: abush at maine.rr.com (kyliemckenzie1225)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 05:57:16 -0000
Subject: jo's website (am i just stupid?)
Message-ID: <cbj37s+l7oc@eGroups.com>

i still only have three out of the four scrapbook items, and i just 
give up...can someone please tell me how to get the fourth?

i have the page of doodlings, the ancient drawings, and the very 
early page of philosopher's stone...

thanks for helping the easter egg disabled...





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 26 15:04:14 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:04:14 -0000
Subject: jo's website (am i just stupid?)
In-Reply-To: <cbj37s+l7oc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbk39e+gldj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kyliemckenzie1225" 
<abush at m...> wrote:
> i still only have three out of the four scrapbook items, and i 
just 
> give up...can someone please tell me how to get the fourth?
> 
> i have the page of doodlings, the ancient drawings, and the very 
> early page of philosopher's stone...
> 
> thanks for helping the easter egg disabled...

Did you try moving the book with the question mark on the Links 
page? There's a key behind it. 

Jen, who recently lost all her scrapbook pages and had to start 
again but can't remember all the clues at the moment.




From LadySawall at aol.com  Sat Jun 26 22:30:46 2004
From: LadySawall at aol.com (Jo Ann)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:30:46 -0000
Subject: Robert Pattinson
Message-ID: <cbktem+7ga4@eGroups.com>

Does *anybody* know where a picture of Robert Pattinson can be 
found?  He's been cast as Cedric Diggory, and supposedly he was 
in "The Ring," but I can't find a photo to save my life, so I have no 
idea whether I've ever seen the guy before...




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Jun 26 23:00:36 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:00:36 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Robert Pattinson
In-Reply-To: <cbktem+7ga4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40DE8CB4.30118.15EBF4@localhost>

On 26 Jun 2004 at 22:30, Jo Ann wrote:

> Does *anybody* know where a picture of Robert Pattinson can be 
> found?  He's been cast as Cedric Diggory, and supposedly he was 
> in "The Ring," but I can't find a photo to save my life, so I have no 
> idea whether I've ever seen the guy before...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_3795000/3795855.stm


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 27 15:02:26 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 27 Jun 2004 15:02:26 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1088348546.65.51062.m7@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 27, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi everyone! 

Don't forget, chat happens today, 11 am Pacific, 2 pm Eastern, 7
pm UK time. Chat times do not change for Daylight Saving/Summer
Time.  Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.

Go into any Yahoo chat room and type:  /join HP:1 

Hope to see you there! 

 





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 15:50:20 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Lots of belated birthday wishes!
Message-ID: <20040627155020.23923.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

*shuffles feet and looks embarrassed*

I've misssed lots of birthday greetings here and I, I,
I...

*finding no good excuse, wanders off to start
decorating and laying in a good supply of food*

Apologies to all those whose birthday wishes are late.
Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to the birthday honourees. Theresa at
ANMSMOM333 at aol.com, Samantha at
potionsgurl at theburrow.org, Wanda Mae at
kendallchick18 at yahoo.com, Carolina at
silmariel at telefonica.net, amanda at
peabwain at yahoo.com, Amanda at oodaday at yahoo.co.uk (and
yes, those are two separate Amandas!), Brian Cordova
at blessedbrian at yahoo.com and Boggles at
boggles at earthlink.net

I hope you all had magical days, filled with fun, HP
goodness and the company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Theresa!
Happy Birthday, Samantha!
Happy Birthday, Wanda Mae!
Happy Birthday, Carolina!
Happy Birthday, amanda!
Happy Birthday, Amanda!
Happy Birthday, Brian!
Happy Birthday, Boggles!

Sheryll, the very, very bad Birthday Elf 

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From Amber_Falls at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 20:24:33 2004
From: Amber_Falls at yahoo.com (Amber_Falls)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:24:33 -0000
Subject: Hi, I'm new here
Message-ID: <cbnae1+om90@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

Let me intoduce myself, I'm from the netherlands and I'm 46 years 
young. Just out of curiosity I've bought PS to see what's the hype 
around HP was all about. That was in june 2002. By the time The 
Order of the Phoenix came out I've read all the books. The dutch 
translations as well as the british versions. Talk about getting 
hooked. <lol>

Thanks for letting me join the group

See you soon.

Amber/Jenny





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 27 23:20:40 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:20:40 -0000
Subject: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <20040624210945.47934.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbnko8+t804@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon <paulag5777 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> 24June04
> 
> Lee wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Alice,
> I'm so sorry you have to deal with a Voldemort Ex... I had an Ex 
like that...and he made my life miserable,... 
> 
>
I have a few ex-Bellatrixes in my past - not that they were evil 
Death Eaters or anything of that magnitude, but (wait for it, wait 
for it) they sure were Lestrange!

 - CMC (dodging tomatoes as he runs for the exit)




From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Mon Jun 28 02:59:10 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:59:10 -0400
Subject: thoughts on the third movie, slightly long
Message-ID: <000c01c45cbb$e3079060$e60b8f45@Voov>

Okay.  This is going to be a bit long, because I need to give you some background.  First, as you may know, I'm totally blind, and I'd be interested to see what some of the other blind folk on the list have to say.
Now, I need to tell you that I've seen P.O.A. three times as of this writing.  The first time, my life partner, and a mutual friend went with me to see the show.  All three of us are totally blind, and we went to a local theater and saw the thing without video description of any kind.  Well, what with all the audience noise, and a lack of description, I came away dissapointed because of the lack of dialog.
Yesterday, my life partner and I went to another theater that provided headphones so as to listen to the pre-recorded video description.  The descriptive track was done by a British company that had previously done the description for films one and two.  The description helped considerably, but I still wished for more dialog.  But there was something more that niggled me.
Today, we went back to the original theatre to see it without the description.  We went at a time when there would probably be less audience noise.
I still carried in my mind the description from yesterday.  As I listened to the clear audio, holding the description in my mind, I suddenly became aware of why J.K. seems to like this one above the others.  This movie deals with powerful themes--very powerful ones indeed.  If you can take all you knew and expected, set it aside, and meet the work on its terms, then you can receive all it has to give, and that is much.  The new Dumbledore may not come off as majestic as Richard Harris, but the warmth and humanity is definitely there.  The younger actors achieve a refreshing maturity and realness, no I don't mean reality, that almost shocks you.  I don't think it's fair to compare it with the first two films, really.  To me, it's like comparing Mozart's later works to his first.  All are beautiful, but the latter pieces are going to be deeper just because he had more to say in those.
I hope what I've told you will ring a bell with someone, and I'd like to see where this post leads.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June

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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Mon Jun 28 03:27:45 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:27:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hi, I'm new here
References: <cbnae1+om90@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c45cbf$e0d4ae00$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, this is just too cool.  Maybe at some point, you'll meet a charming
countryman of yours who hangs out here as well.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 03:58:11 2004
From: ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com (Miss Melanie)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cbnko8+t804@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040628035811.14150.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com>

CMC wrote: I have a few ex-Bellatrixes in my past - not that they were evil 
Death Eaters or anything of that magnitude, but (wait for it, wait 
for it) they sure were Lestrange!

- CMC (dodging tomatoes as he runs for the exit)

 

My reply:  My ex boyfriend is more of a Lucius Malfoy, he's really manipulative and makes me feel like I'm crap everytime I talk to him.  Like he hit me once and actually made me believe for a second like it was my fault.  It's quite odd because I'm sooo not that kind of a girl.  But I got over it really quickly :).  

 

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From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 13:05:09 2004
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:05:09 -0000
Subject: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <20040628035811.14150.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbp525+4lvl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Miss Melanie 
<ms_melanie1999 at y...> wrote:
My ex boyfriend is more of a Lucius Malfoy, he's really manipulative 
and makes me feel like I'm crap everytime I talk to him.  Like he hit 
me once and actually made me believe for a second like it was my 
fault.  It's quite odd because I'm sooo not that kind of a girl.  But 
I got over it really quickly :).  
> 

Oooh, I had one of those too!  In fact he was my first husband.  He 
was Lucius to a "T" -- haughty, sneering, full of himself.  I look 
back now and don't understand why I put up with him for five minutes, 
let alone went with him for two years and then married him.  At the 
time it was devastating to be with someone who seemed to have such a 
low opinion of me.  It never occurred to me to ask (as I most 
certainly would NOW), "Well if I'm such a loser, what are YOU doing 
associating with me?  If you can do so much better, do us both a 
favor!"  Of course now I reaize that he was actually a pitiable 
person.  Having someone around that he could feel superior to was 
crucial to his self-esteem.

Hmmmm.... now that makes me wonder about Lucius!

--snazzzybird, with 20/20 hindsight




From chris at musiccorner.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 10:33:31 2004
From: chris at musiccorner.co.uk (Chris)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:33:31 +0100
Subject: Intro Plus RE: My ex-boyfriend: Malfoy / was Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <1088409886.1001.67816.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAVTOmHPcXDUSp10pUM2PBQcKAAAAQAAAA26cWCJ09gkqq8HzQpe8O4wEAAAAA@musiccorner.co.uk>

Hi 

 

I?m new to these lists. I just love all the HP interwoven plots and red
herrings etc.

I also enjoy journeying from the characters into there other life
experiences.

 

I?m in Manchester England and a big fan of the Malfoy?s  .

I play LM in a RPG on Yahoo.

I write FanFic and Filks dabble in a bit of HP artwork and host a new
Potter site and forum.

 

 

QUOTE>Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:58:11 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Re: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort

 

>CMC wrote: I have a few ex-Bellatrixes in my past - not that they were
evil 

Death Eaters or anything of that magnitude, but (wait for it, wait 

for it) they sure were Lestrange!

 

>Miss Melanie:  My ex boyfriend is more of a Lucius Malfoy, he's really
manipulative and makes me feel like I'm crap everytime I talk to him.  

 

My Reply:  Strange how people see Mr. Malfoy differently I see him as cruel
to everyone but Narcissa (though I have no canon to prove this; yet) All
the Malfoy types I have known fit this styling.  Almost mafia type. Adult
family gets respect, all other adults get the wrath due it or not. Children
should be seen and not heard, well behaved or disciplined till they learn
the family ways and earn the respect they re due as an adult.

 

This is just how I see it and how my Fan-Fics show it.

 

Chris

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From spin01 at aol.com  Mon Jun 28 03:09:16 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:09:16 -0000
Subject: thoughts on the third movie, slightly long
In-Reply-To: <000c01c45cbb$e3079060$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <cbo24s+92kr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Firedancer" 
<firedancerflash at c...> wrote:
> Okay.  This is going to be a bit long, because I need to give you 
some background.  First, as you may know, I'm totally blind, and I'd 
be interested to see what some of the other blind folk on the list 
have to say.
> Now, I need to tell you that I've seen P.O.A. three times as of 
this writing.  The first time, my life partner, and a mutual friend 
went with me to see the show.  All three of us are totally blind, and 
we went to a local theater and saw the thing without video 
description of any kind.  Well, what with all the audience noise, and 
a lack of description, I came away dissapointed because of the lack 
of dialog.
> Yesterday, my life partner and I went to another theater that 
provided headphones so as to listen to the pre-recorded video 
description.  The descriptive track was done by a British company 
that had previously done the description for films one and two.  The 
description helped considerably, but I still wished for more dialog.  
But there was something more that niggled me.
> Today, we went back to the original theatre to see it without the 
description.  We went at a time when there would probably be less 
audience noise.
> I still carried in my mind the description from yesterday.  As I 
listened to the clear audio, holding the description in my mind, I 
suddenly became aware of why J.K. seems to like this one above the 
others.  This movie deals with powerful themes--very powerful ones 
indeed.  If you can take all you knew and expected, set it aside, and 
meet the work on its terms, then you can receive all it has to give, 
and that is much.  The new Dumbledore may not come off as majestic as 
Richard Harris, but the warmth and humanity is definitely there.  The 
younger actors achieve a refreshing maturity and realness, no I don't 
mean reality, that almost shocks you.  I don't think it's fair to 
compare it with the first two films, really.  To me, it's like 
comparing Mozart's later works to his first.  All are beautiful, but 
the latter pieces are going to be deeper just because he had more to 
say in those.
> I hope what I've told you will ring a bell with someone, and I'd 
like to see where this post leads.  June
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June


June,  I very much enjoyed your post.  I am blind in one eye.  Not in 
the same catagory but somewhat the same as I miss a lot of stuff 
going on around me.  I have been to see the new movie.  It is 
spectacular.  Way better for me than the first two.  Have you 
listened to all the books on tape?  It is amazing but I have read 
them all and listened to them all on tape (the version by Jim Dale) 
each and every time I reread or relisten to them I hear something 
new.  Or something jumps out at me that didn't the time before.  I 
think that going back was a wise choice on your part.  Thanks for 
posting.  
sherry






From jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 16:55:37 2004
From: jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk (jojobinks1983)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:55:37 -0000
Subject: JKR website- is the door in the mirror opening?
Message-ID: <cbpii9+a4eh@eGroups.com>

Hi, it looks to me as though the door reflected in the mirror is 
opening wider. What do you think?

Jo





From jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 17:52:11 2004
From: jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk (jojobinks1983)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:52:11 -0000
Subject: JKR website- is the door in the mirror opening?
In-Reply-To: <cbpii9+a4eh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbplsb+blqu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jojobinks1983" 
<jojobinks1983 at y...> wrote:
> Hi, it looks to me as though the door reflected in the mirror is 
> opening wider. What do you think?
> 
> Jo

Scratch that, the door is open and I do not know what to make of it. 
Any ideas?

Jo (again)




From coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 20:20:03 2004
From: coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com (coolbeans3131)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:20:03 -0000
Subject: JKR website- is the door in the mirror opening?
In-Reply-To: <cbplsb+blqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbpuhj+82na@eGroups.com>

 
> Scratch that, the door is open and I do not know what to make of 
it. 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Jo (again)

I don't know.  Could that really be the title?  Wasn't that a cast 
off title from another book?  Would she go back to that, instead of 
coming up with a better one?  And, it doesn't say book 6 or "the new 
title is".  I think she's messing with us.

Joj




From pbarhug at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 28 21:38:03 2004
From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:38:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR website- is the door in the mirror opening?
References: <cbpii9+a4eh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c45d58$31896690$0301000a@DJZCB631>

Breaking news maybe...

I just left the site-the Do Not Disturb sign is off the door and it (the door, that is) does indeed open.  But all you can see is a brick wall with some decaying plaster and a frayed electrical wire.  Wonder what that means...

There are also new responses in the Rumors section and in the FAQ--including three Dark Marks.  Wow.
drpam


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From bumbledor at charter.net  Mon Jun 28 23:12:15 2004
From: bumbledor at charter.net (Bumbledor)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:12:15 -0400
Subject: JKR's site
Message-ID: <000401c45d65$5a8d0d50$6501a8c0@mac>

I am at the door and found bricks that you can push.. anyone know the
pattern?




From alina at distantplace.net  Mon Jun 28 22:33:41 2004
From: alina at distantplace.net (alina at distantplace.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:33:41 -0000
Subject: JKR website- is the door in the mirror opening?
In-Reply-To: <001901c45d58$31896690$0301000a@DJZCB631>
Message-ID: <cbq6c5+khnm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Pam Hugonnet" 
<pbarhug at e...> wrote:
> Breaking news maybe...
> 
> I just left the site-the Do Not Disturb sign is off the door and 
it (the door, that is) does indeed open.  But all you can see is a 
brick wall with some decaying plaster and a frayed electrical wire.  
Wonder what that means...
> 
> There are also new responses in the Rumors section and in the FAQ--
including three Dark Marks.  Wow.
> drpam


Some of the bricks can be pushed into the wall. If you push them in 
the right order, the wall opens and reveals another room.

Some people on the main list have already figured out the order, I 
haven't yet. So far I found five bricks that can be pushed in, I 
think that's all of them.

Alina.





From sychamirrana at winterchill.com  Mon Jun 28 23:20:34 2004
From: sychamirrana at winterchill.com (Sychamirrana)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:20:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <000401c45d65$5a8d0d50$6501a8c0@mac>
Message-ID: <mailman.64.1576049066.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

It was just posted on the Leaky Cauldron website as the following:

A=3rd row, 2nd brick B=5th row, 2nd brick C=7th row, 4th brick D=19th row,
4th brick E=22nd row, 3rd brick The code is C,D,B,E,A

Hope that works for you

~Sy



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<pattern?





From Amber_Falls at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 23:37:07 2004
From: Amber_Falls at yahoo.com (One Breath)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hi, I'm new here
In-Reply-To: <00b601c45cbf$e0d4ae00$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <20040628233707.9403.qmail@web90003.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

--- Firedancer <firedancerflash at comcast.net> wrote:
> Oh, this is just too cool.  Maybe at some point,
> you'll meet a charming
> countryman of yours who hangs out here as well. 
> June
> None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
>    Siempre revelde!!
> June

Thanks for the welcome June. 
LOL! Lets just wait and see if they come out of the
woods. As long he's not a Voldemort it's fine with me
<g>

Amber/Jenny

 



		
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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Tue Jun 29 00:29:52 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:29:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hi, I'm new here
References: <20040628233707.9403.qmail@web90003.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01f601c45d70$32786d90$e60b8f45@Voov>

Oh, what a great sense of humor you have.  Somebody put another log on the
fire, and set this girl up with something cool to     drink, or warm if she
prefers.  Hey, hey,wait a minute, that last cauldron cake's mine, Ron said I
could have it.  What?  Okay, hon', it's yours.  Maybe a kind little elf will
find it in his-her heart to whip up some more.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From salem_university at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 00:36:37 2004
From: salem_university at yahoo.com (salem_university)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:36:37 -0000
Subject: Salem University RPG
Message-ID: <cbqdil+9d1e@eGroups.com>

THE THIRD WAR HAS BEGUN

The old Headmistress of the Salem University has died as a result of 
a powerful prophetic vision:  The Death Eaters are back!

And now they are looking for a weapon of vast power in order to 
accomplish what He-Who-Must-Not be named failed.  They have located 
this weapon but it is hidden in the Salem University, which is now 
being protected by Headmaster Balthazar and his Mighty Council.   
The Death Eaters plan to convert students, and have so far managed 
to get a professor.  

Come join the Salem University and be a part of the Harry Potter 
Universe.  Role Play as a 3rd to 7th year student, or as an older 
University Student (Year 1 to 4).  Plots and subplots abundant and 
Administrators provide much room for your own adventures.

The new Year starts this week.  Come Join us at 
http://s3.invisionfree.com/SalemUniversity

See you there! 






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 00:54:04 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:54:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Behind the door... is that what it seems to be?
In-Reply-To: <01f601c45d70$32786d90$e60b8f45@Voov>
Message-ID: <20040629005404.94821.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>


Don't read this unless you've finally opened the door at the jkrowling site or you don't care to take the time to do so...

 

Who do you all think that could be?  Voldie?  The arguement for "no it's not him" would be that we are introduced to the blank of every Harry Potter and the (Blank) in the book the blank is in.  Oooh... I'm all a titter.


		
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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Tue Jun 29 01:17:13 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (Crystal)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:17:13 -0000
Subject: Behind the door... is that what it seems to be?
In-Reply-To: <20040629005404.94821.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbqfup+di6u@eGroups.com>

> Don't read this unless you've finally opened the door at the 
jkrowling site or you don't care to take the time to do so...
> Oooh... I'm all a titter.
> 
I can't believe it--I'm all a-titter AND jelly-legged! Now we wait 
for a date ...!

MsTattersall





From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Tue Jun 29 01:21:21 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:21:21 -0000
Subject: My ex-boyfriend: Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cbnko8+t804@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbqg6h+e8o1@eGroups.com>

Caius:
> I have a few ex-Bellatrixes in my past - not that they were evil 
> Death Eaters or anything of that magnitude, but (wait for it, wait 
> for it) they sure were Lestrange!
> 
>  - CMC (dodging tomatoes as he runs for the exit)

Lol!  I actually heard the rimshot as I read this...


--Kelley




From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 01:42:03 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:42:03 -0000
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <000401c45d65$5a8d0d50$6501a8c0@mac>
Message-ID: <cbqhdb+cp5l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Bumbledor" <bumbledor at c...> 
wrote:
> I am at the door and found bricks that you can push.. anyone know 
the
> pattern?

could someone please post the link to the jkr website  thanks
sherry




From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 02:26:38 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:26:38 -0000
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cbqhdb+cp5l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbqk0u+ffh5@eGroups.com>

ok found the site,  the door and the bricks.  wire hanger that is 
sort of spitting electrical sparks.  and some bricks that sort of 
roar at you but have no idea what the patter is.  help.   
sherry
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" 
<spin01 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Bumbledor" 
<bumbledor at c...> 
> wrote:
> > I am at the door and found bricks that you can push.. anyone know 
> the
> > pattern?
> 
> could someone please post the link to the jkr website  thanks
> sherry




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 02:54:56 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:54:56 -0000
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cbqk0u+ffh5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbqlm0+fkj7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" <spin01 at a...>
wrote:
> ok found the site,  the door and the bricks.  wire hanger that is 
> sort of spitting electrical sparks.  and some bricks that sort of 
> roar at you but have no idea what the patter is.  help.   
> sherry

It's been posted already, but I'll try a different wording, in case
you like it better:

First, find all five bricks by clicking around. Note where they are,
because they disappear when you click all five in the wrong order.

Now, click in the correct order:
The middle brick,
the next brick below the middle one,
the next brick above the middle one,
the very lowest brick,
the very highest brick.

Hope that helps. And this way, at least you get to locate all the
bricks yourself! (assuaging conscience due to spoiling, hehe).

Annemehr




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 03:01:44 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:01:44 -0000
Subject: Where'd the book go?
Message-ID: <cbqm2o+mj8c@eGroups.com>

I wondered about this on TLC, but I wonder what all of you will make
of this -- 

When someone first hacked into the room behind the door, they found
Lorem Ipsum filler text in a *book.* I always figured that when JKR
meant for that door to open, there would be *real* text *in the book.*
 So why, instead, do we now have a fan blowing a piece of paper up to
the screen? Does this mean that JKR hadn't originally planned to do
this? Or does it only mean that the book that was found was for a
later version of what was to be behind that door?

If Melissa at TLC weren't absolutely sure she had a reliable source
telling her that the paper indeed shows the title of book 6, I'd
figure JKR might be hoaxing right back -- though, that doesn't make
sense either since it was only *one* "fan" who did the Storge hoax,
not all of us...

Thoughts?

Annemehr





From rsteph1981 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 03:01:45 2004
From: rsteph1981 at yahoo.com (Rebecca Stephens)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cbqlm0+fkj7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040629030145.19790.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com,
> "spinelli372003" <spin01 at a...>
> wrote:
> > ok found the site,  the door and the bricks.  wire
> hanger that is 
> > sort of spitting electrical sparks.  and some
> bricks that sort of 
> > roar at you but have no idea what the patter is. 
> help.   
> > sherry


Borrowing instructions from SQ's Cylune:

7th row from top: 2nd brick from the right
6th row from bottom: 3rd brick from right (if you
count the itty bitty brick fragment on the right-most
side) 
5th row from top: 2nd brick from the left
3rd row from bottom: 3rd brick from the right
3rd row from the top: the 2nd brick from the left

Also, over at SQ they are saying that AOL users are
having a problem and should try using another browser.


Rebecca

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From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 29 03:07:00 2004
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:07:00 -0400
Subject: problem-JKW's web site
References: <1088409886.1001.67816.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <003201c45d86$26369a50$1f66ef04@CPQ16151965929>

Hey All,
I am kind of addicted to JK's web site. Not that I have achieved greatness
there. I have 3 things in my scrap book, but can't view them! When I click
on the link, I get a buzzing sound and a lightning bolt. What have I done
wrong? Or is something about my settings? Help me please!
Leeann





From ekrbdg at msn.com  Tue Jun 29 03:26:09 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:26:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR website- is the door in the mirror opening?
References: <cbpuhj+82na@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01c501c45d88$d3ffab20$2ee8f943@hppav>




> I don't know.  Could that really be the title?  Wasn't that a cast
> off title from another book?  Would she go back to that, instead of
> coming up with a better one?  And, it doesn't say book 6 or "the new
> title is".  I think she's messing with us.
>
> Joj
>

I don't know, do you think she'd actually put a title out like that ?
Even as a joke, I personally can't see her joking about such a think.   To
be evasive, misleading or unclear is one thing but to put an out and out
false title up, I don't know.

Kimberly




From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 04:02:05 2004
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:02:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Behind the door...
In-Reply-To: <20040629005404.94821.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040629040205.48901.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com>

Is anyone else having trouble with JKR's site? 
Sometimes it freezes up for me - I haven't been able
to check out a few of the things that Leaky Cauldron
says have been updated.  Even more frustrating, the
door won't open for me!  I could open it this
afternoon at work, but the site is NOT handled well by
my machine there, and so I waited to come home to
look, rather than spending my lunch hour waiting for
it to display.  However, now it won't open, and half
the time I follow the "portkey" there, the "Do Not
Disturb" sign is back.

Anyone know what's going on?  I'm guessing that the
problems are related to load on the site, but I have
avoided all the hints on how to get in because I want
to take a shot on my own first.  It's hard to try
anything without being able to get to the wall!

Sue, the frustrated


	
		
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From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 04:51:08 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Behind the door...
Message-ID: <20040629045108.43276.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com>

Can somebody remind me how to get to the door? I can't
seem to find it
anymore ....

thnx

>



	
		
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From AngieJ at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 04:13:04 2004
From: AngieJ at gmail.com (Angie Jerbasi)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Behind the door...
In-Reply-To: <20040629040205.48901.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040629040205.48901.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <318573a5040628211378774178@mail.gmail.com>

Sue wrote:
<Is anyone else having trouble with JKR's site?> 

*raises hand*

Yeah, right here! (I'm new by the way, my name's Angie and it's
fabulous to be here!)  Ever since I saw TLC said that there was new
stuff I've been trying to get in but the site freezes up.  I'm on
about my 10th attempt to get to through the "?" Portkey to the "Do Not
Disturb" door.  This is very, very frustrating.  I just want to be
able to tap a few bricks. *sigh*

JKR really knows how to mess with us, and being the obsessed fan that
I am, I'll just keep trying till it lets me in!  If anyone has any
luck or gets past the bricks let me(us) know what you find! I'm sure
it's good if she's got it hiding away back there.

Back to trying, 
-Angie




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 05:23:34 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:23:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Heather Lass!
Message-ID: <20040629052334.12745.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

*puts the finishing touches on the streamers and
balloons, tosses a last handful of confetti and
wanders off in search of a cake*

Boy, I'm glad I'm not the one who has to clean up all
the confetti I toss around here!

Today's birthday honouree is heather lass. Birthday
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to:
exploadingoatmeal at yahoo.com

I hope you day has been filled with fun, magic and all
things HP!

Happy Birthday, heather lass!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, knowing full well it's still
the 28th *somewhere*

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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 06:49:38 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:49:38 -0000
Subject: Behind the door...
In-Reply-To: <318573a5040628211378774178@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cbr3e2+g870@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Angie Jerbasi <AngieJ at g...> wrote:
> Sue wrote:
> <Is anyone else having trouble with JKR's site?> 
> 
> *raises hand*
> 
> Yeah, right here! (I'm new by the way, my name's Angie and it's
> fabulous to be here!)  Ever since I saw TLC said that there was new
> stuff I've been trying to get in but the site freezes up.  I'm on
> about my 10th attempt to get to through the "?" Portkey to the "Do Not
> Disturb" door.  This is very, very frustrating.  I just want to be
> able to tap a few bricks. *sigh*

Welcome to the group, Angie!

Things to try to get the site to work:

-Sounds like you need to empty your cache, i.e. your browser is
loading up old pages from memory instead of the updates. I didn't know
how to do that for my Netscape browser, so I had to click on 'help'.
If that's what anyone else is using, you go into 'Edit' then
'preferences', then double-click on 'advanced' -- more menu options
come up. Click on 'cache' and stuff comes up to the right, including a
'clear cache' button which you click on. After that, the site worked
perfectly for me.

-On TLC, some AOL posters said it wasn't working on that browser; they
had to switch to another one.

-Some people said going to JKRowling.org or JKRowling.co.uk worked for
them instead of JKRowling.com.  I wonder if that isn't just related to
the first thing above -- maybe changing the URL caused their browsers
to *not* rely on the caches.

Anyway, good luck and happy hunting!

Annemehr





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 07:37:41 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Behind the door...
In-Reply-To: <20040629045108.43276.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040629073741.98805.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com>

Your answer and minor spoilers
 
To get to the door click on the hairband (that's what it looks like to me).
Open the door.  
There will be bricks.  There are as many special bricks as there are Harry Potter titles.  You will know them when you click them.  The pattern: PoA, GoF, CoS, OoP, SS (PS for you Brits).  A room will come down.  
Once you click around, you will be rewarded with what appears to be the title of book six: HBP.
 
 
Suzanne Chiles <suzchiles at yahoo.com> wrote:
Can somebody remind me how to get to the door? I can't
seem to find it
anymore ....

thnx

>



      
            
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jun 29 09:14:55 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:14:55 -0000
Subject: Fan persistence (was JKR's site)
In-Reply-To: <cbqlm0+fkj7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbrbuf+3lli@eGroups.com>

Annemehr wrote:

> First, find all five bricks by clicking around. Note where they 
are,
> because they disappear when you click all five in the wrong order.
> 
> Now, click in the correct order:
> The middle brick,
> the next brick below the middle one,
> the next brick above the middle one,
> the very lowest brick,
> the very highest brick.
> 
> Hope that helps. And this way, at least you get to locate all the
> bricks yourself! (assuaging conscience due to spoiling, hehe).

I'm curious...

When I read the post saying the door in the mirror was open, I went 
to the site, tried the 'locked' door, and it opened.  By clicking 
around at random (thinking of the way into the Leaky Cauldron (pub, 
not website)) I got a brick to disappear.  I systematically went 
through the bricks, until I'd made five holes, which promptly re-
filled themselves again.

It didn't occur to me that the order you click them might matter, so 
I gave up, read a few more messages here until the one with 
the 'ABCDE' code in it.  After that it was easy to get the answer 
just by more clicking around.

So, my question is: did anyone reading this crack it without hints?  
If so, how?  Did you really set out systemetically to try all 120 
different combinations of the five bricks?  After, say, attempt no. 
43, what made you think you would eventually succeed?  Or did you 
get lucky, somehow - is it just that with lots of fans all clicking 
away at the bricks, *someone* was bound to get the right 
combination?  In which case, the frustrating part must have been 
recreating the correct order.

Anyone know?  I'm just amazed at the time and effort people put in, 
given there is no apparent way to work it out.

David, off to look at the rest of the updates




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 09:45:25 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Behind the door... + Peeves woz ere
Message-ID: <20040629094525.18498.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>


29June04

KemperMentor wrote:

"...To get to the door click on the hairband (that's what it looks like to me).Open the door.There will be bricks. There are as many special bricks as there are Harry Potter titles. You will know them when you click them. The pattern: PoA, GoF,CoS, OoP, SS (PS for you Brits). A room will come down.Once you click around, you will be rewarded with what appears to be the title ofbook six: HBP."

Paula now:

This is exactly what I did.  Succeeded in finding all five bricks several times, but no room came down, I only got "Peeves woz ere" on the mirror.  What goes?

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From chris at musiccorner.co.uk  Tue Jun 29 09:50:20 2004
From: chris at musiccorner.co.uk (Chris)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:50:20 +0100
Subject: How much is that broomstick in the window? FILK
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAVTOmHPcXDUSp10pUM2PBQcKAAAAQAAAAeeJmpMUaqUW2uG5at6TIJgEAAAAA@musiccorner.co.uk>

Hi

This is totally potty but I enjoyed writing it. My kids have been 
singing the tune for a school play so I had to write some new 
words..<WINK>

How much is that broomstick in the window? by Draco

chorus
How much is that broomstick in the window?
The one that is silver and black
How much is that broomstick in the window?
I wonder will dad buy me that.

Verse 1
I want to qudditch for my house team
but I am not good enough now
If Dad buys new broomsticks for the whole team 
Seeker Draco, Potter will bow

Verse 2
I dream of beating that fool Potter
to getting to the stupid Snitch
The game is pointless but at least it
gives me a shot at the titch

Verse 3
15 new Nimbus two thousands and ones
Would do very nicley dear Dad
Would you, could you please get some
I promise this isn't a fad.

Regards
Chris (RPG - (Luscious Lucius)
><)))'>

http://www.lifeisfun.me.uk ..... also on my forum under filks. Open 
for comment.






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jun 29 09:56:51 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:56:51 -0000
Subject: Where'd the book go?
In-Reply-To: <cbqm2o+mj8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbred3+fbu8@eGroups.com>

Annemehr wrote:

> If Melissa at TLC weren't absolutely sure she had a reliable source
> telling her that the paper indeed shows the title of book 6, I'd
> figure JKR might be hoaxing right back -- though, that doesn't make
> sense either since it was only *one* "fan" who did the Storge hoax,
> not all of us...

She's pretty adamant in the News section of her site that she 
wouldn't do that.

Like Dumbledore, I think she wouldn't outright lie to us, even if 
she would allow us to continue in misunderstandings that we may have.

I have no idea about the Lorem Ipsum book.  I suspect, though, that 
the time involved in designing the site means that nothing of that 
sort is turned around very quickly.  Sure, you can knock up a new 
image in a very short time, and create text, but putting it on a 
website for the general public to access through all the browsers 
and computers there are, and making it (reasonably!) hacker-proof 
etc. all take time and professional effort.

David




From lists at heidi8.com  Tue Jun 29 10:14:51 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:14:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where'd the book go?
In-Reply-To: <cbred3+fbu8@eGroups.com>
References: <cbred3+fbu8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1088504095.CDA7FE9@s5.dngr.org>


> Annemehr wrote:
>  If Melissa at TLC weren't absolutely sure she had a reliable source
>  telling her that the paper indeed shows the title of book 6, I'd
>  figure JKR might be hoaxing right back -- though, that doesn't make
>  sense either since it was only *one* "fan" who did the Storge hoax,
>  not all of us...

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 5:56am, davewitley wrote:

She's pretty adamant in the News section of her site that she
wouldn't do that.

Plus, the BBC went and confirmed it this morning, too, which one of us 
will post on tlc in the next hour or so. So yep, it's true.

Now, just as an fyi, for Book 5, we had the title over 2 years before 
the book came out, and about 4 months after the release of Book 4, so 
don't try and predict any patterns from this.


Heidi, oft of tlc



From Amber_Falls at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 12:39:54 2004
From: Amber_Falls at yahoo.com (Amber_ Falls)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan persistence (was JKR's site)
In-Reply-To: <cbrbuf+3lli@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040629123954.89171.qmail@web90001.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

--- davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:
> 
> So, my question is: did anyone reading this crack it
> without hints?  
> If so, how?  Did you really set out systemetically
> to try all 120 
> different combinations of the five bricks?  After,
> say, attempt no. 
> 43, what made you think you would eventually
> succeed?  Or did you 
> get lucky, somehow - is it just that with lots of
> fans all clicking 
> away at the bricks, *someone* was bound to get the
> right 
> combination?  In which case, the frustrating part
> must have been 
> recreating the correct order.
> 
> Anyone know?  I'm just amazed at the time and effort
> people put in, 
> given there is no apparent way to work it out.
> 
> David, off to look at the rest of the updates

Amber:
I did found the bricks quite easily.I think in my
tenth attempt I opened the door, but wasn't paying
attention in which order I clicked on the bricks. It
took me some time to find the right combination. All
this without any hints.:D 



	
		
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 13:02:57 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:02:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan persistence (was JKR's site)
In-Reply-To: <cbrbuf+3lli@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040629130257.83924.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>



davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:
Annemehr wrote:


I'm curious...

When I read the post saying the door in the mirror was open, I went to the site, tried the 'locked' door, and it opened. 

 

Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open the door?  When I first go into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit out and go back in and the sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and nothing happens.  I back out and go back again and still nothing.  Can someone help me??

moonmyyst


		
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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Tue Jun 29 13:45:27 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:45:27 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan persistence (was JKR's site)
In-Reply-To: <20040629130257.83924.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CGEKJJCJGOLNJLCPJCJJKECPCNAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open the door?  When I first go
into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit out and go back in and the
sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and nothing happens.  I back out
and go back again and still nothing.  Can someone help me??

moonmyyst


moonmyyst

if the sign saying 'do not disturb' is there then you might need to make
sure you (or your ISP) isn't operating a cache, try refreshing the page.
You'll go nowhere while that sign is there.

hth

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From ekrbdg at msn.com  Tue Jun 29 13:41:40 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:41:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan persistence (was JKR's site)
References: <20040629130257.83924.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <022b01c45dde$cfeaa200$c2e4f943@hppav>

 > >
> Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open the door?  When I first go
into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit out and go back in and the
sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and nothing happens.  I back out
and go back again and still nothing.  Can someone help me??
>
> moonmyyst


Just click on the handle and it'll open up.    There are clickable bricks,
click them in a certain order and the wall will disappear, click the fan on
the desk and some papers blow around eventually loading the title page.
Hope that helps !

Kimberly




From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 14:36:48 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:36:48 -0000
Subject: The blood prince / behind the door
In-Reply-To: <022b01c45dde$cfeaa200$c2e4f943@hppav>
Message-ID: <cbruq0+7gof@eGroups.com>

ok so last night I messed around a long time trying to get past the 
bricks and finally gave up lol.  But my son who is 9 sat and fiddled 
with them for a long time. He got them to open he said they slid down 
and in the next place there were 2 hangers and a fan he pushed it and 
some papers came floating near him that said "Harry Potter and the 
blood prince"  has anyone else seen this?  also when he came out of 
the door the mirror on the side had "Peeves waz ere"  so we are now 
trying to make that happen again lol.  He did it last night after I 
was in bed.  My husband (not a harry potter fan lol) made him go to 
bed.
sherry
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly" <ekrbdg at m...> 
wrote:
>  > >
> > Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open the door?  When I 
first go
> into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit out and go back in 
and the
> sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and nothing happens.  I 
back out
> and go back again and still nothing.  Can someone help me??
> >
> > moonmyyst
> 
> 
> Just click on the handle and it'll open up.    There are clickable 
bricks,
> click them in a certain order and the wall will disappear, click 
the fan on
> the desk and some papers blow around eventually loading the title 
page.
> Hope that helps !
> 
> Kimberly




From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Tue Jun 29 14:57:23 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:57:23 +0100
Subject: Cambridge is Hogwarts
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15C7EBC0@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

There was recently a press open-day where I work
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/jun04/06-09OpenDayUberPR.a
sp As part of this a colleague took a bunch of Italian journalists out
for their evening meal to one of the grand Cambridge colleges. When they
arrived they were overheard to say "Hogwarts". I wonder if the dons mind
that a 1990s invention has supplanted their thirteenth century
university in the imaginations of people from all over the world ;-)

Cheers,

Dumbledad



From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 15:22:52 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:22:52 -0000
Subject: The blood prince / behind the door
In-Reply-To: <cbruq0+7gof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbs1gc+uvsd@eGroups.com>

Sorry it was Half Blood Prince not just blood prince.  I also read a 
bit of Jkr's messege in the news section she says it is the real 
title of book six and that the half blood prince is not harry or 
voldermort.  so I am betting on either Neville or Dudley any other 
guess's?
sherry

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" 
<spin01 at a...> wrote:
> ok so last night I messed around a long time trying to get past the 
> bricks and finally gave up lol.  But my son who is 9 sat and 
fiddled 
> with them for a long time. He got them to open he said they slid 
down 
> and in the next place there were 2 hangers and a fan he pushed it 
and 
> some papers came floating near him that said "Harry Potter and the 
> blood prince"  has anyone else seen this?  also when he came out of 
> the door the mirror on the side had "Peeves waz ere"  so we are now 
> trying to make that happen again lol.  He did it last night after I 
> was in bed.  My husband (not a harry potter fan lol) made him go to 
> bed.
> sherry
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly" <ekrbdg at m...> 
> wrote:
> >  > >
> > > Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open the door?  When I 
> first go
> > into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit out and go back 
in 
> and the
> > sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and nothing happens.  
I 
> back out
> > and go back again and still nothing.  Can someone help me??
> > >
> > > moonmyyst
> > 
> > 
> > Just click on the handle and it'll open up.    There are 
clickable 
> bricks,
> > click them in a certain order and the wall will disappear, click 
> the fan on
> > the desk and some papers blow around eventually loading the title 
> page.
> > Hope that helps !
> > 
> > Kimberly




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jun 29 15:23:16 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:23:16 -0000
Subject: Cambridge is the Ritz
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15C7EBC0@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <cbs1h4+2ese@eGroups.com>

Dumbledad wrote:

a colleague took a bunch of Italian journalists out
> for their evening meal to one of the grand Cambridge colleges. 

How did he pull that off?  Is he a fellow of the college?  Or have 
the colleges caught on to the commercial possibilities of their 
Halls and Common Rooms?

David




From v-tregan at microsoft.com  Tue Jun 29 15:57:42 2004
From: v-tregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan (Intl Vendor))
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:57:42 +0100
Subject: Cambridge is the Ritz
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15C7EC07@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

David asked:
>>> Is he a fellow of the college?  Or have the colleges caught on to
the commercial possibilities of their Halls and Common Rooms?  <<<

Loads of the researchers here are fellows, but I don't think Luca's one
of them http://www.luca.demon.co.uk/ No, hang on, tucked at the bottom
of his long bio it mentions a fellowship at Girton. That said, I
wouldn't rule out the commercial relationship too. I'll post back if I
uncover the facts.

Cheers,

Secretly-sleuthing-Dumbledad.


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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 15:59:06 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:59:06 -0000
Subject: Where'd the book go?/Fan persistence
In-Reply-To: <cbred3+fbu8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbs3ka+7jlc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Annemehr wrote:
> 
> > If Melissa at TLC weren't absolutely sure she had a reliable source
> > telling her that the paper indeed shows the title of book 6, I'd
> > figure JKR might be hoaxing right back -- though, that doesn't make
> > sense either since it was only *one* "fan" who did the Storge hoax,
> > not all of us...

David:
> She's pretty adamant in the News section of her site that she 
> wouldn't do that.
> 
> Like Dumbledore, I think she wouldn't outright lie to us, even if 
> she would allow us to continue in misunderstandings that we may have.

Annemehr:
Yeah, I feel a little guilty for how I worded that. I didn't think
she'd outright lie, either, exactly, but was toying with the idea that
she was playing. If Jo *had been* just toying with us, I imagined she
would update the next day with the real facts. After all, she's
tricky, but she's kind to the fans.

But, yeah, she's pretty clear in her news update that she wouldn't do
even that. <slams fingers in oven door>

Re the fan persistence question:
I was one who had trouble getting the site to work after the update,
and in frustration I spent time on TLC looking for info. I saw the
pattern for pressing the bricks there, and didn't figure any of it out
for myself. It's okay, though, because in the same place I saw the
advice to dump my cache to get the site to work, so it was time well
spent.

Annemehr
who broke down and ordered her Bloomsbury editions this morning!




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 16:04:28 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:04:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The blood prince / behind the door
In-Reply-To: <cbs1gc+uvsd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040629160428.68638.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>

Well it can't be Neville because both of his parents
were a witch and a wizard, so even if he's not "pure
blood" (aka his mom was muggle born) he is "full
blood" because both of his parents are magical. For it
to be Dudley, one of the Dursleys would bea magical
which I won't count out as a possibility, BUT this is
a story that was originally planned to go in Chamber
of Secrets so I don't think its something with the
Dursleys since that would have meant almost all of the
revelations in the plot happening before Harry
returned to school. 
My guess is Hagrid. We know he's half blood and his
role in Chamber of Secrets could have been expanded
and very important. He was suspected of being the Heir
of Slytherin. Why is Dumbledore so protective of him?
There's definitely more to Hagrid so I think he just
might be the half blood prince;)

Kathryn, who also took some time to think it was
Neville's frog Trevor (Frog Prince?, teehee)

--- spinelli372003 <spin01 at aol.com> wrote:
> Sorry it was Half Blood Prince not just blood
> prince.  I also read a 
> bit of Jkr's messege in the news section she says it
> is the real 
> title of book six and that the half blood prince is
> not harry or 
> voldermort.  so I am betting on either Neville or
> Dudley any other 
> guess's?
> sherry
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com,
> "spinelli372003" 
> <spin01 at a...> wrote:
> > ok so last night I messed around a long time
> trying to get past the 
> > bricks and finally gave up lol.  But my son who is
> 9 sat and 
> fiddled 
> > with them for a long time. He got them to open he
> said they slid 
> down 
> > and in the next place there were 2 hangers and a
> fan he pushed it 
> and 
> > some papers came floating near him that said
> "Harry Potter and the 
> > blood prince"  has anyone else seen this?  also
> when he came out of 
> > the door the mirror on the side had "Peeves waz
> ere"  so we are now 
> > trying to make that happen again lol.  He did it
> last night after I 
> > was in bed.  My husband (not a harry potter fan
> lol) made him go to 
> > bed.
> > sherry
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly"
> <ekrbdg at m...> 
> > wrote:
> > >  > >
> > > > Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open
> the door?  When I 
> > first go
> > > into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit
> out and go back 
> in 
> > and the
> > > sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and
> nothing happens.  
> I 
> > back out
> > > and go back again and still nothing.  Can
> someone help me??
> > > >
> > > > moonmyyst
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Just click on the handle and it'll open up.   
> There are 
> clickable 
> > bricks,
> > > click them in a certain order and the wall will
> disappear, click 
> > the fan on
> > > the desk and some papers blow around eventually
> loading the title 
> > page.
> > > Hope that helps !
> > > 
> > > Kimberly
> 
> 



		
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From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 16:12:34 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:12:34 -0000
Subject: The blood prince / behind the door
In-Reply-To: <20040629160428.68638.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbs4di+sf5s@eGroups.com>

which one of the kids was it that said in the first book "me moms a 
muggle it was quite a shock for me dad"  was that seamus finnigan or 
dean thomas?  
sherry
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber 
<katydid3500 at y...> wrote:
> Well it can't be Neville because both of his parents
> were a witch and a wizard, so even if he's not "pure
> blood" (aka his mom was muggle born) he is "full
> blood" because both of his parents are magical. For it
> to be Dudley, one of the Dursleys would bea magical
> which I won't count out as a possibility, BUT this is
> a story that was originally planned to go in Chamber
> of Secrets so I don't think its something with the
> Dursleys since that would have meant almost all of the
> revelations in the plot happening before Harry
> returned to school. 
> My guess is Hagrid. We know he's half blood and his
> role in Chamber of Secrets could have been expanded
> and very important. He was suspected of being the Heir
> of Slytherin. Why is Dumbledore so protective of him?
> There's definitely more to Hagrid so I think he just
> might be the half blood prince;)
> 
> Kathryn, who also took some time to think it was
> Neville's frog Trevor (Frog Prince?, teehee)
> 
> --- spinelli372003 <spin01 at a...> wrote:
> > Sorry it was Half Blood Prince not just blood
> > prince.  I also read a 
> > bit of Jkr's messege in the news section she says it
> > is the real 
> > title of book six and that the half blood prince is
> > not harry or 
> > voldermort.  so I am betting on either Neville or
> > Dudley any other 
> > guess's?
> > sherry
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com,
> > "spinelli372003" 
> > <spin01 at a...> wrote:
> > > ok so last night I messed around a long time
> > trying to get past the 
> > > bricks and finally gave up lol.  But my son who is
> > 9 sat and 
> > fiddled 
> > > with them for a long time. He got them to open he
> > said they slid 
> > down 
> > > and in the next place there were 2 hangers and a
> > fan he pushed it 
> > and 
> > > some papers came floating near him that said
> > "Harry Potter and the 
> > > blood prince"  has anyone else seen this?  also
> > when he came out of 
> > > the door the mirror on the side had "Peeves waz
> > ere"  so we are now 
> > > trying to make that happen again lol.  He did it
> > last night after I 
> > > was in bed.  My husband (not a harry potter fan
> > lol) made him go to 
> > > bed.
> > > sherry
> > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly"
> > <ekrbdg at m...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >  > >
> > > > > Okay, I feel really stupid!!  How do you open
> > the door?  When I 
> > > first go
> > > > into the page, the sign is on the door.  I exit
> > out and go back 
> > in 
> > > and the
> > > > sign is gone.  I click around on the handle and
> > nothing happens.  
> > I 
> > > back out
> > > > and go back again and still nothing.  Can
> > someone help me??
> > > > >
> > > > > moonmyyst
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Just click on the handle and it'll open up.   
> > There are 
> > clickable 
> > > bricks,
> > > > click them in a certain order and the wall will
> > disappear, click 
> > > the fan on
> > > > the desk and some papers blow around eventually
> > loading the title 
> > > page.
> > > > Hope that helps !
> > > > 
> > > > Kimberly
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 16:16:51 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:16:51 -0000
Subject: Prince Ginny?
Message-ID: <cbs4lj+1tbi@eGroups.com>

I know what you are thinking, she's a pureblood and she's a female.  

But why not??  I posted this on the main book discussion, but 
nobody's biting.   Oh well.  It's far-fetched, but I don't want to 
count out the possibility of it being a girl.  I just believe there 
is more to Ginny than meets the eye (ie, bat bogey hex! *LOL*).  For 
the record, I think the half blood prince will be someone from the 
past that Harry learns about, but it's fun to think about current 
characters.  

Ginny needs more "screen time", in my opinion ;)

Alora :)




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 16:19:31 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:19:31 -0000
Subject: The blood prince / behind the door
In-Reply-To: <cbs4di+sf5s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbs4qj+972k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" 
<spin01 at a...> wrote:
> which one of the kids was it that said in the first book "me moms 
a 
> muggle it was quite a shock for me dad"  was that seamus finnigan 
or 
> dean thomas?  

Seamus





From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 17:04:11 2004
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Behind the door... + Peeves woz ere
In-Reply-To: <20040629094525.18498.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040629170411.66242.qmail@web53205.mail.yahoo.com>

 I'm responding to several posts here...


KemperMentor wrote a nicely opaque explanation of how
to get through the brick wall - well done!  I
appreciated the fact that it was a hint, rather than
the fully spelled out answer. 


Paula and someone else asked about the "Peeves woz
here" on the mirror.  That's been happening since the
site went up, if you lingered long enough in front of
the locked door.  He also knocks over the vase of
daffodils.  It appears to be random, as his appearance
on other pages of the site is.

Clearing my cache files worked, although I'm not 100%
convinced it should have.  I was getting at least 2
different non-working versions of the door - one with
and one without the "Do Not Disturb" sign.  (Neither
one would open regardless of what I did.)  I would
have expected a cache problem to show me the same one
every time.  Anyway, I did get in.  I was too
impatient to wait until this evening, so after a
little while poking bricks, I went back and checked on
the list to get directions.  I also got to read the
rest of the updated material in the FAQ.

Sue, happy to have a title to put on her wishlist now,
instead of just "Book 6"


	
		
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From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 17:05:12 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:05:12 -0000
Subject: another thought The blood prince / behind the door
In-Reply-To: <cbs4qj+972k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbs7g8+joda@eGroups.com>

ok so far as new characters.  how about mark evans?  he will be 11 
this year maybe he is for hogwarts?  can't wait for book 6.  Funny I 
bought all the books as they came out for the kids but didn't read 
them until last year when I lost the vision in my left eye.  At that 
point it wasn't lost yet but had to stay face down after each 
successive surgery for 2 weeks at a time.  So a friend brought me a 
bunch of books on tape and one of them was Harry Potter and the 
sorcerers stone narrated by Jim Dale.  I was hooked.  Friend went and 
got me the other 3.  I listened to them all and then when I could I 
went back and read them all.  Had to wait from Feb to June for book 
5.  And not the wait for book 6 seems to be taking forever.  
Sigh.......... I am as bad as the kids.  are we there yet?
sherry
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "alora" <chrisnlorrie at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" 
> <spin01 at a...> wrote:
> > which one of the kids was it that said in the first book "me moms 
> a 
> > muggle it was quite a shock for me dad"  was that seamus finnigan 
> or 
> > dean thomas?  
> 
> Seamus




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 17:51:12 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:51:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Thoughts on the title.  Inspired by Bram?
In-Reply-To: <cbs7g8+joda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040629175112.38608.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't think it Mark Evans, Seamus, Ginny, nor Hagrid, though I liked the reasoning for him.  To the person who thought Hagrid... are you thinking prince of Giants?  I don't think so, but...

I don't think it's anyone we've had the fortune of meeting in the other books.  
We learn first of the Chamber of Secrets in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
We learn first of the Prisoner of Azkaban in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
We learn first of the Goblet of Fire in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
We learn first of the Order of the Phoenix in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
 
What if the title refers to a vampire?  Or, rather, a half vampire?

spinelli372003 <spin01 at aol.com> wrote:
ok so far as new characters.  how about mark evans?  he will be 11 
this year maybe he is for hogwarts?  can't wait for book 6.  Funny I 
bought all the books as they came out for the kids but didn't read 
them until last year when I lost the vision in my left eye.  At that 
point it wasn't lost yet but had to stay face down after each 
successive surgery for 2 weeks at a time.  So a friend brought me a 
bunch of books on tape and one of them was Harry Potter and the 
sorcerers stone narrated by Jim Dale.  I was hooked.  Friend went and 
got me the other 3.  I listened to them all and then when I could I 
went back and read them all.  Had to wait from Feb to June for book 
5.  And not the wait for book 6 seems to be taking forever.  
Sigh.......... I am as bad as the kids.  are we there yet?
sherry
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> <spin01 at a...> wrote:
> > which one of the kids was it that said in the first book "me moms 
> a 
> > muggle it was quite a shock for me dad"  was that seamus finnigan 
> or 
> > dean thomas?  
> 
> Seamus



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From stbinch at actionsd.com  Tue Jun 29 19:17:51 2004
From: stbinch at actionsd.com (stevebinch)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:17:51 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Puppet Show
Message-ID: <cbsf8v+8h1t@eGroups.com>

I found this and thought some of you might find it entertaining.

http://69.93.231.198/albino_flash02/Potter(www.albinoblacksheep.com).swf






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 19:27:04 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:27:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Continued thoughts on the title.  Inspired by Bram?
In-Reply-To: <20040629175112.38608.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040629192704.70977.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com>

Wasn't Vlad (Dracula) the Impaler called the Blood King?  Hmm...
I was talking to my bro about the new title.  He said what some have said on this post, that it was a possible title for Chamber of Secrets.  He added that JKR has said that Chamber of Secrets has the most forshadowing to the last books than any other.  Is this so?  If it is, is they're anyone on the list who was super geek (meant in most respectfully and admirably) and typed up the notes they made in the margin?  If so, would you mind terribly pasting them on a post.  CoS is my least favorite to re-read, though I will.  

kemper mentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't think it Mark Evans, Seamus, Ginny, nor Hagrid, though I liked the reasoning for him.  To the person who thought Hagrid... are you thinking prince of Giants?  I don't think so, but...

I don't think it's anyone we've had the fortune of meeting in the other books.  
We learn first of the Chamber of Secrets in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
We learn first of the Prisoner of Azkaban in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
We learn first of the Goblet of Fire in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
We learn first of the Order of the Phoenix in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

What if the title refers to a vampire?  Or, rather, a half vampire?

spinelli372003 <spin01 at aol.com> wrote:
ok so far as new characters.  how about mark evans?  he will be 11 
this year maybe he is for hogwarts?  can't wait for book 6.  Funny I 
bought all the books as they came out for the kids but didn't read 
them until last year when I lost the vision in my left eye.  At that 
point it wasn't lost yet but had to stay face down after each 
successive surgery for 2 weeks at a time.  So a friend brought me a 
bunch of books on tape and one of them was Harry Potter and the 
sorcerers stone narrated by Jim Dale.  I was hooked.  Friend went and 
got me the other 3.  I listened to them all and then when I could I 
went back and read them all.  Had to wait from Feb to June for book 
5.  And not the wait for book 6 seems to be taking forever.  
Sigh.......... I am as bad as the kids.  are we there yet?
sherry
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> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" 
> <spin01 at a...> wrote:
> > which one of the kids was it that said in the first book "me moms 
> a 
> > muggle it was quite a shock for me dad"  was that seamus finnigan 
> or 
> > dean thomas?  
> 
> Seamus



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From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 19:54:29 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:54:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Thoughts on the title.  Inspired by Bram?
In-Reply-To: <20040629175112.38608.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040629195429.70156.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm the one who suggested Hagrid, but I didn't really
like the idea of him being prince of the Giants,
especially since there isn't exactly a long standing
"King" of the Giants.  As for your point that we don't
find out about what is described in the second part of
the title before the book happens...there is one
instance. In SS Hagrid mentions Sirius Black's
motorbike. So even though we did not know that he was
the Prisoner of Azkaban, we had heard of him before. 
So it would be a change for it to be someone we're
familiar with (such as Hagrid) but not outside the
realm of possibility to be someone mentioned in
passing, such as Mark Evans. 

And can someone please explain where the idea of it
being Ginny came from?? Because unless someone's
implying that Mrs. Weasley had an affair with a muggle
but Ginny still mysteriously looks exactly like the
rest of the Weasley gang.....I'm really confused....

~Kathryn

--- kemper mentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't think it Mark Evans, Seamus, Ginny, nor
> Hagrid, though I liked the reasoning for him.  To
> the person who thought Hagrid... are you thinking
> prince of Giants?  I don't think so, but...
> 
> I don't think it's anyone we've had the fortune of
> meeting in the other books.  
> We learn first of the Chamber of Secrets in Harry
> Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
> We learn first of the Prisoner of Azkaban in Harry
> Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
> We learn first of the Goblet of Fire in Harry Potter
> and the Goblet of Fire.
> We learn first of the Order of the Phoenix in Harry
> Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
>  
> What if the title refers to a vampire?  Or, rather,
> a half vampire?



	
		
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From dzny72 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 19:30:32 2004
From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:30:32 -0000
Subject: JKR Website
Message-ID: <cbsg0o+m9bs@eGroups.com>

Help!!!!  I read on a earlier post the code to opening the door, but 
on my screen there are only 21 rows of bricks--which means I can't 
get through!!!  Can anyone help me out?  I've tried enlarging my 
screen but it is a big as it gets.  Any comments/suggestions would be 
appreciated.






From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Tue Jun 29 20:57:33 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:57:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Book Name
References: <cbskqe+u69r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0b1401c45e1b$b37d7c90$e60b8f45@Voov>

Okay, I'm confused.  Does this mean that the paperback of O.O.T.P. will be
released in August, or that the new book will be coming out in paperback
then.  I'm guessing the former, but praying for the later.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From ladygator_29609 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 21:49:03 2004
From: ladygator_29609 at yahoo.com (Pamela Jordan Paras)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Ginny?
In-Reply-To: <cbs4lj+1tbi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040629214903.77617.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>

Someone may have posted this, but... could the "half blood prince" be Voldemort? We know that his father was a muggle and that he is the heir of Slytherin.  With the big comeback in book five, could book six be about him and his attempt to regain his full powers... and followers?

alora <chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com> wrote:
I know what you are thinking, she's a pureblood and she's a female.  

But why not??  I posted this on the main book discussion, but 
nobody's biting.   Oh well.  It's far-fetched, but I don't want to 
count out the possibility of it being a girl.  I just believe there 
is more to Ginny than meets the eye (ie, bat bogey hex! *LOL*).  For 
the record, I think the half blood prince will be someone from the 
past that Harry learns about, but it's fun to think about current 
characters.  

Ginny needs more "screen time", in my opinion ;)

Alora :)



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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 21:50:10 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:50:10 -0000
Subject: Upcoming Convention Alley Registration Deadlines and Shop CA
Message-ID: <cbso6i+mpd1@eGroups.com>

Just a reminder that there will be no on-site registration for
Convention Alley, the HPfGU sponsored conference for grown-up Harry
Potter fans to be held at the University of Ottawa from July 30-
August 1, 2004. Online registration paid by credit card will close
on July 20th. Payment by check or money order from outside of Canada
must be received by July 1st, and Canadian checks/money orders must
be received by July 10th.

In addition, extra tickets for the birthday banquet featuring keynote
speaker Steve Vander Ark on Saturday, July 31st and the luncheon
featuring guest speaker Dr. Judith Robertson on Sunday, August 1st
are available, but must be purchased by July 1st.

Everything you need to know about registering for the conference
and/or purchasing banquet/luncheon tickets may be found here:
http://www.conventionalley.org/registration.html .

Abstracts for the programming sessions have also been uploaded and
may be seen here: http://www.conventionalley.org/programming.html .

In addition, the Convention Alley planners are pleased to announce
the availability of Convention Alley merchandise at Caf? Press.
Visit this link to shop for t-shirts and other fun products:
http://www.cafeshops.com/conalley .

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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 21:58:35 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:58:35 -0000
Subject: Unsuitable for Children
Message-ID: <cbsomb+uo2d@eGroups.com>

Brit readers might be interested to know there is a programme on 
tomorrow, Wednesday 30th, BBC1 10.35pm, called 'Imagine - Unsuitable 
for Children'. 

According to the blurb its about the 'growing phenomenon of cross-
over children's literature', and includes Mark Haddon (author of 'The 
Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night') and Philip Pullman 
discussing 'the challenge of transcending demographic boundaries' as 
well as making references to the Potter phenomenon.

Carolyn




From serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 22:22:41 2004
From: serenamoonsilver at yahoo.com (Serena Moonsilver)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:22:41 -0000
Subject: Prince Ginny?
In-Reply-To: <20040629214903.77617.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbsq3h+vfd9@eGroups.com>

If you read the news on her site she says the the HBP is not Harry 
or Voldemort.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Pamela Jordan Paras 
<ladygator_29609 at y...> wrote:
> Someone may have posted this, but... could the "half blood prince" 
be Voldemort? We know that his father was a muggle and that he is 
the heir of Slytherin.  With the big comeback in book five, could 
book six be about him and his attempt to regain his full powers... 
and followers?
> 
> alora <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> I know what you are thinking, she's a pureblood and she's a 
female.  
> 
> But why not??  I posted this on the main book discussion, but 
> nobody's biting.   Oh well.  It's far-fetched, but I don't want to 
> count out the possibility of it being a girl.  I just believe 
there 
> is more to Ginny than meets the eye (ie, bat bogey hex! *LOL*).  
For 
> the record, I think the half blood prince will be someone from the 
> past that Harry learns about, but it's fun to think about current 
> characters.  
> 
> Ginny needs more "screen time", in my opinion ;)
> 
> Alora :)
> 
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 22:50:35 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:50:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <20040629195429.70156.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040629225035.2678.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com>

Your thoughts on Mark Evans got me thinking on blood ties with Lily and Petunia.  This got me thinking to something Petunia said, and I'm probably paraphasing, "Our parents were so proud to have a witch in the family."  
 
It seems to be assumed that the Evans weren't witch and wizard.  But that doesn't mean they were muggles.  What if they were squibs?  
That would explain: Petunia's apparent familiarity with the wizarding world by knowing that dementors run (ran) Azkaban, what horrible creatures they are, and by fearing Voldemort's return. 
Taking this theory further... Lily felt rejected by the wizarding world and thus she, at some point, rejected them by going into the muggle world.  A world that, she would perceive, would accept her for not having magical abilities.  
I forget who, but some character explained Mr. Filch's vileness to the students was due to them being witches and wizards.  He's abusive to young witches and wizards.  Petunia is abusive as well, though more emotionally and neglectfully, but we see a trace of possible physical abuse in CoS when she nearly hits Harry in the head with a frying pan.
 
So... going back to Mark Evans.  Squibs aren't thought of enough by the Ministry of Magic to register where they live as we've seen with Mrs. Figg. (On an aside: Who and Where is Mr. Figg.  Could Mrs. Figg's maiden name be Evans)  Maybe there are other Evans' who are squibs who also felt rejected by the wizarding world and who embrace the muggle life.  Maybe Mark is like his nth cousin, n-times removed, Lily.   
 


Kathryn Wolber <katydid3500 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm the one who suggested Hagrid, but I didn't really
like the idea of him being prince of the Giants,
especially since there isn't exactly a long standing
"King" of the Giants.  As for your point that we don't
find out about what is described in the second part of
the title before the book happens...there is one
instance. In SS Hagrid mentions Sirius Black's
motorbike. So even though we did not know that he was
the Prisoner of Azkaban, we had heard of him before. 
So it would be a change for it to be someone we're
familiar with (such as Hagrid) but not outside the
realm of possibility to be someone mentioned in
passing, such as Mark Evans. 

And can someone please explain where the idea of it
being Ginny came from?? Because unless someone's
implying that Mrs. Weasley had an affair with a muggle
but Ginny still mysteriously looks exactly like the
rest of the Weasley gang.....I'm really confused....

~Kathryn

--- kemper mentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't think it Mark Evans, Seamus, Ginny, nor
> Hagrid, though I liked the reasoning for him.  To
> the person who thought Hagrid... are you thinking
> prince of Giants?  I don't think so, but...
> 
> I don't think it's anyone we've had the fortune of
> meeting in the other books.  
> We learn first of the Chamber of Secrets in Harry
> Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
> We learn first of the Prisoner of Azkaban in Harry
> Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
> We learn first of the Goblet of Fire in Harry Potter
> and the Goblet of Fire.
> We learn first of the Order of the Phoenix in Harry
> Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
>  
> What if the title refers to a vampire?  Or, rather,
> a half vampire?



      
            
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 22:55:47 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Oops on my last
In-Reply-To: <20040629225035.2678.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040629225547.9852.qmail@web41602.mail.yahoo.com>

I meant Petunia feeling rejected not Lily.  I need to reread before I send out.

kemper mentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:Your thoughts on Mark Evans got me thinking on blood ties with Lily and Petunia.  This got me thinking to something Petunia said, and I'm probably paraphasing, "Our parents were so proud to have a witch in the family."  

It seems to be assumed that the Evans weren't witch and wizard.  But that doesn't mean they were muggles.  What if they were squibs?  
That would explain: Petunia's apparent familiarity with the wizarding world by knowing that dementors run (ran) Azkaban, what horrible creatures they are, and by fearing Voldemort's return. 
Taking this theory further... Lily felt rejected by the wizarding world and thus she, at some point, rejected them by going into the muggle world.  A world that, she would perceive, would accept her for not having magical abilities.  
I forget who, but some character explained Mr. Filch's vileness to the students was due to them being witches and wizards.  He's abusive to young witches and wizards.  Petunia is abusive as well, though more emotionally and neglectfully, but we see a trace of possible physical abuse in CoS when she nearly hits Harry in the head with a frying pan.

So... going back to Mark Evans.  Squibs aren't thought of enough by the Ministry of Magic to register where they live as we've seen with Mrs. Figg. (On an aside: Who and Where is Mr. Figg.  Could Mrs. Figg's maiden name be Evans)  Maybe there are other Evans' who are squibs who also felt rejected by the wizarding world and who embrace the muggle life.  Maybe Mark is like his nth cousin, n-times removed, Lily.   



Kathryn Wolber <katydid3500 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm the one who suggested Hagrid, but I didn't really
like the idea of him being prince of the Giants,
especially since there isn't exactly a long standing
"King" of the Giants.  As for your point that we don't
find out about what is described in the second part of
the title before the book happens...there is one
instance. In SS Hagrid mentions Sirius Black's
motorbike. So even though we did not know that he was
the Prisoner of Azkaban, we had heard of him before. 
So it would be a change for it to be someone we're
familiar with (such as Hagrid) but not outside the
realm of possibility to be someone mentioned in
passing, such as Mark Evans. 

And can someone please explain where the idea of it
being Ginny came from?? Because unless someone's
implying that Mrs. Weasley had an affair with a muggle
but Ginny still mysteriously looks exactly like the
rest of the Weasley gang.....I'm really confused....

~Kathryn

--- kemper mentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't think it Mark Evans, Seamus, Ginny, nor
> Hagrid, though I liked the reasoning for him.  To
> the person who thought Hagrid... are you thinking
> prince of Giants?  I don't think so, but...
> 
> I don't think it's anyone we've had the fortune of
> meeting in the other books.  
> We learn first of the Chamber of Secrets in Harry
> Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
> We learn first of the Prisoner of Azkaban in Harry
> Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
> We learn first of the Goblet of Fire in Harry Potter
> and the Goblet of Fire.
> We learn first of the Order of the Phoenix in Harry
> Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
>  
> What if the title refers to a vampire?  Or, rather,
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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 23:57:26 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:57:26 -0000
Subject: Thoughts on the title.  Inspired by Bram?
In-Reply-To: <20040629175112.38608.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbsvl6+m1ap@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> I don't think it Mark Evans, Seamus, Ginny, nor Hagrid, though I 
liked the reasoning for him.  To the person who thought Hagrid... 
are you thinking prince of Giants?  I don't think so, but...
> 
> I don't think it's anyone we've had the fortune of meeting in the 
other books.  
> We learn first of the Chamber of Secrets in Harry Potter and the 
Chamber of Secrets.
> We learn first of the Prisoner of Azkaban in Harry Potter and the 
Prisoner of Azkaban.
> We learn first of the Goblet of Fire in Harry Potter and the 
Goblet of Fire.
> We learn first of the Order of the Phoenix in Harry Potter and the 
Order of the Phoenix.
>  
> What if the title refers to a vampire?  Or, rather, a half vampire?
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

While I disagree that the title refers to a vampire, I do agree 
strongly this may be a character we haven't been introduced to yet. 
Possibly it refers to someone from the past that Harry finds out 
about or someone who comes to Hogwarts that Harry meets. 

I think the half blood refers to someone who is obviously half 
muggle/half witch born. I can see from the previous trends of the 
books that being a half blood prince may present a lot of problems 
for someone especially with the current climate of "pure blood" 
attitude. 

Possibly we may learn more of the workings of the Ministry and may 
even come to find that there are more similarities in the Wizarding 
World and the British system than we had first supposed. I pose that 
there may even be a "Witch King" = British Queen (King) and Fudge is 
merely a "Prime Minister" of the Wizarding World as Mr. Blair is of 
the Muggle World! Possibly we have a mesalliance between 
a "wizarding royal" and a muggle and the product of that union!

Just my two knuts

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****




From candora2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 01:17:37 2004
From: candora2001 at yahoo.com (candora2001)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:17:37 -0000
Subject: Fan persistence (was JKR's site)
In-Reply-To: <20040629123954.89171.qmail@web90001.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbt4bh+akvu@eGroups.com>

> Amber:
> I did found the bricks quite easily.I think in my
> tenth attempt I opened the door, but wasn't paying
> attention in which order I clicked on the bricks. It
> took me some time to find the right combination. All
> this without any hints.:D 

Does anybody know the brick code, I give up?

"candora2001"




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 03:15:03 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] knock knock but no answer!!
In-Reply-To: <cbs7g8+joda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040630031503.45717.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>




HELP!!!

I keep trying to open the door but it will not open.  I have tried 50-75 times now!!  When I first go on to the page, there is still a sign on the door but when I go back to the main page and then back again, the sign is gone.  When I click on the door handle, it gives a sound like the latch is clicking and the handle moves but the door will not open.  Does anyone have any ideas?  What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for any and all help

Moonmyyst


		
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From bd-bear at verizon.net  Wed Jun 30 04:23:24 2004
From: bd-bear at verizon.net (Barbara D. Poland-Waters)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:23:24 -0400
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cbsf8v+8h1t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBKELIHKAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>

Can someone help me? I read on The Leaky Cauldron that there's more to the
phone than just a prop. Also, are there more than 3 things to collect in the
scrap book? I've read something about Easter Eggs but can't figure it out.
And on the "Extra Stuff" page, I uncovered with the eraser an interesting
picture, but can't figure out if there's something else to be done with it.

Some help please?

Barbara
bd-bear




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 05:24:56 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Thoughts on the title.  Inspired by Bram?
In-Reply-To: <cbsvl6+m1ap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040630052456.59834.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com>

I sure the title doesn't refer to a vampire, its just reverie.  I enjoy a new perspective/twist to vampire lore and literature.  So that's the Blood Prince part.
Now the Half Blood part.  I like your two knuts.  Half Blood could also be a familial reference.
 

dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> I don't think it Mark Evans, Seamus, Ginny, nor Hagrid, though I 
liked the reasoning for him.  To the person who thought Hagrid... 
are you thinking prince of Giants?  I don't think so, but...
> 
> I don't think it's anyone we've had the fortune of meeting in the 
other books.  
> We learn first of the Chamber of Secrets in Harry Potter and the 
Chamber of Secrets.
> We learn first of the Prisoner of Azkaban in Harry Potter and the 
Prisoner of Azkaban.
> We learn first of the Goblet of Fire in Harry Potter and the 
Goblet of Fire.
> We learn first of the Order of the Phoenix in Harry Potter and the 
Order of the Phoenix.
>  
> What if the title refers to a vampire?  Or, rather, a half vampire?
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

While I disagree that the title refers to a vampire, I do agree 
strongly this may be a character we haven't been introduced to yet. 
Possibly it refers to someone from the past that Harry finds out 
about or someone who comes to Hogwarts that Harry meets. 

I think the half blood refers to someone who is obviously half 
muggle/half witch born. I can see from the previous trends of the 
books that being a half blood prince may present a lot of problems 
for someone especially with the current climate of "pure blood" 
attitude. 

Possibly we may learn more of the workings of the Ministry and may 
even come to find that there are more similarities in the Wizarding 
World and the British system than we had first supposed. I pose that 
there may even be a "Witch King" = British Queen (King) and Fudge is 
merely a "Prime Minister" of the Wizarding World as Mr. Blair is of 
the Muggle World! Possibly we have a mesalliance between 
a "wizarding royal" and a muggle and the product of that union!

Just my two knuts

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****



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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 09:25:41 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Prince Ginny?
Message-ID: <20040630092541.89923.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>

30June04
  Pamela Jordan Paras  wrote:
"...alora <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
I know what you are thinking, she's a pureblood and she's a female.

But why not?? I posted this on the main book discussion, but
nobody's biting. Oh well. It's far-fetched, but I don't want to
count out the possibility of it being a girl. I just believe there
is more to Ginny than meets the eye...Ginny needs more "screen time", in my opinion "



Paula now:

Yeah, I've been thinking this since Ginny's involvement with Tom Riddle's diary.  Just have a feeling in my bones that this is an untied thread.  Also, was there any conclusion in OotP as to what exactly Mrs. Weasley's woes were?  Don't have the book now, but the idea still naggs.  But something about Ginny does lurk...  Don't worry, I'd be willing to bet yet another nickle that Ginny will get her screen time.

~Paula Gaon



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From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 09:58:20 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Website Clues
Message-ID: <20040630095820.22848.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>

30June03:
 
I got the quote below from the main list and have suspected as much myself.  Any of you super sleuths have the same feeling?  Somebody mentioned at one point something about the phone numbers on the bullitin board.  I keep wondering about seemingly insignificant things like, "why a hair band as a portkey to the door?".  There got to be something here.
 
"JK Rowling said that there are a lot of things hidden on the 
website. I myself have only found one, the one having to do with 
Dean Thomas formerly being called Gary or something like that. I was 
just wondering if anyone else had found more than that? Thanks!
~~Maggie"

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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 11:36:51 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:36:51 -0000
Subject: Petunia WAS Re: New title, Mark Evans, Lily and Petunia
In-Reply-To: <20040629225035.2678.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbu8kj+e43j@eGroups.com>

>--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor wrote:
 Petunia is abusive as well, though more emotionally and 
neglectfully, but we see a trace of possible physical abuse in CoS 
when she nearly hits Harry in the head with a frying pan.
>
>
  
Pip!Squeak:
Let's be fair to Petunia about this [uh, did I just say that?]. 
Anyway, the frying pan comes just after Dudders has run in screaming 
that Harry has tried to do magic on him. I think it is the only time 
mentioned that Petunia is angry enought to try and hit Harry.

And what does Petunia do immediately after? She gives Harry a load 
of chores. *All of which are outside*.

In other words, the one time she nearly hits her nephew, she appears 
to take care that the boy is then out of her way until her temper 
has had time to cool.

Petunia's more the 'enabling' partner than the abusive one. It's 
always Petunia who makes sure Harry has food (even if inadequate). 
She makes sure he has clothes (even if Dudley's cast offs). She 
makes sure he goes to school. And she worries about leaving an 
eleven-year old Harry in the house alone. Harry thinks that's 
because she's worried *he'll* destroy the house; later on the 
readers discover that Harry's parents were murdered *and their house 
destroyed.*

I suspect that Petunia will turn out to be like Quirrelmort's 
description of Snape - she hates her nephew, but has never wanted 
him dead. 

Harry could find that there were no real bribes offered in that 
original letter from Dumbledore. The 'bribe' was the information 
that only Petunia taking him in could save Harry's life.

Pip!Squeak

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From Grrarrggh at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 09:43:25 2004
From: Grrarrggh at aol.com (Grrarrggh at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:43:25 -0000
Subject: Looking for FanFics
Message-ID: <cbu1vt+ik0a@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know of any good fanfics that take place after OP in the 
world of book 6? Thanks!

Tamara





From Agent_Maxine_is at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 30 15:50:14 2004
From: Agent_Maxine_is at hotmail.com (Brenda M.)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:50:14 -0000
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <MABBLPHAPNNKIOFAIDEBKELIHKAA.bd-bear@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cbunfm+2p6h@eGroups.com>

>>> Barbara wrote:
> Can someone help me? I read on The Leaky Cauldron that there's more 
to the
> phone than just a prop.

Bren now:

Yeah. Try random combo of numbers and press the Green "send" button 
on the phone, it'll show you some kind of sign. I think you need to 
get a correct phone number or something, but I haven't figured out 
yet.

>>> Also, are there more than 3 things to collect in the scrap book? 
I've read something about Easter Eggs but can't figure it out. And on 
the "Extra Stuff" page, I uncovered with the eraser an interesting 
picture, but can't figure out if there's something else to be done 
with it. <<<

Bren: I have collected 3 so far, including something that is 
supposedly on "Page 4", so presumably there are at least 4 ;P. Hmm, I 
don't know about the Easter Eggs, but the one about eraser -- see the 
4 items you need to put in "cauldron"? Well you just have to find all 
4 of them on the website (and it's pretty easy to find them, really) 
then you get an award.

Have you guys found more items? That phone number is driving me nuts!!

Bren





From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 16:13:11 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR's site
Message-ID: <20040630161311.35414.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com>

Remember when Arthur took Harry to the MoM for his
hearing in OoTP? They
squeezed into the phone booth and dialed a number into
the phone? 

Or, you can just bop over to www.potterkeys.com where
all is revealed
about the JK Rowling web site.


Suzanne

> Bren now:
> 
> Yeah. Try random combo of numbers and press the
Green "send" button 
> on the phone, it'll show you some kind of sign. I
think you need to 
> get a correct phone number or something, but I
haven't figured out 
> yet.



	
		
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From paula at jefftrout.com  Wed Jun 30 16:08:46 2004
From: paula at jefftrout.com (paulaboo1013)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:08:46 -0000
Subject: JKR's site
In-Reply-To: <cbunfm+2p6h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cbuoie+h0p6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Brenda M."
<Agent_Maxine_is at h...> wrote:
> >>> Barbara wrote:
> Can someone help me? I read on The Leaky Cauldron that there's more 
> to the phone than just a prop.
> 
> Bren now:
> 
> Yeah. Try random combo of numbers and press the Green "send" button 
> on the phone, it'll show you some kind of sign. I think you need to 
> get a correct phone number or something, but I haven't figured out 
> yet.

Think about the only time Mr. Weasly has used a telephone
 






From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 16:51:08 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?udder=5Fpen=5Fdragon?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:51:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for FanFics
In-Reply-To: <cbu1vt+ik0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040630165108.65344.qmail@web25306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Tamara 
 
You could try mine at www.fanfiction.net/~udderpd there are four there all post OotP. It depends what you like they are a bit Happy Harry
 
Udder PenDragon

Grrarrggh at aol.com wrote:
Does anyone know of any good fanfics that take place after OP in the 
world of book 6? Thanks!

Tamara





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From firedancerflash at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 20:28:46 2004
From: firedancerflash at comcast.net (Firedancer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:28:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for FanFics
References: <20040630165108.65344.qmail@web25306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017a01c45ee0$d8a9abe0$e60b8f45@Voov>

Okay, I'm not all that great at navigating the web at present.  I can't say
go here to get this, or there to get that.  However, I can recommend two
series.  There is a fic called After The End.  This is a must-read if you
can find it.  I also recommend, with just a little hesitation, The Psychic
Serpent Series.  Good luck in your search.  June
None but the piper keeps up with the dancer!
   Siempre revelde!!
June





From jasonjacqui at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 21:16:28 2004
From: jasonjacqui at yahoo.com (Jacqui)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:16:28 -0000
Subject: knock knock but no answer!!
In-Reply-To: <20040630031503.45717.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbvajc+sfr6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> HELP!!!
> 
> I keep trying to open the door but it will not open.  I have tried 
50-75 times now!!  When I first go on to the page, there is still a 
sign on the door but when I go back to the main page and then back 
again, the sign is gone.  When I click on the door handle, it gives 
a sound like the latch is clicking and the handle moves but the door 
will not open.  Does anyone have any ideas?  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks for any and all help
> 
> Moonmyyst
> 


What version of the site are you viewing it in?  I read somewhere 
else that only the English version is working.  Hope that helps.

Jacqui