From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 00:35:56 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:35:56 -0000
Subject: JKR site PLEASE HELP!! -  Flash Version
In-Reply-To: <cm3pd2+u1lc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm40dc+10bh4@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at y...> wrote:

> 
> Neri:
> 
> I've just tried it again, Firefox and Explorer side-by-side. The
> drawer opens in Explorer but not in Firefox. 
> 
> I also don't understand why this happens since the flash isn't
> supposed to depend on the browser. I'm just telling it the way it is.
> 
> But I still like my Firefox better :-)


bboyminn:

I just used Mozilla 1.7.2 with Shockwave Flash 7.0 r19. You can find
your Flash version by selecting the [Help] menu of your Browser then
select [About Plug-ins] and scan the list.

You may need an updated version of Flash.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 00:51:59 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:51:59 -0000
Subject: Hot Off the Presses - Witches & Cats Pardoned.
Message-ID: <cm41bf+ro27@eGroups.com>




http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3699154

"A coven of "witches" executed centuries ago were officially pardoned
today in one of the last acts of ancient baronial powers held by a
small community in Scotland."

Based on a documentary I saw a couple nights ago on good old PBS, most
cause of mysterious illnesses, madness, and supposed enchantings both
in Europe and in Salem, Massachusetts were due to Ergot poisoning.
Ergot is a fungus that grows primarily rye, but also other cereal
grains, that produces and toxic alcoloid from which the drug LSD is
derived.

So, instead of being bewitched all those poor victims were really
REALLY Stoned.

Interestingly, the way they determine if someone had truly been
bewitch was to soak bread with the urine of the alledged victim and
feed it to a dog. If the dog also went /mad/ then it was bewitchment
for sure. Of course, the dogs would go mad because of the toxic bread.

Another great test of a witch was the infamous water test. A supposed
witch was tied up and dunked in a river. If she floated, then she was
a witch and was hanged. If she sunk and drown, then she was OK and all
was forgiven. Very convenient way to get rid of people you don't like,
and I suspect is related to the old saying, 'Damned if you do, and
damned if you don't'.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 01:26:58 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:26:58 -0000
Subject: JKR site PLEASE HELP!! -  Flash Version
In-Reply-To: <cm40dc+10bh4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm43d2+5rpj@eGroups.com>


> > Neri:
> > 
> > I've just tried it again, Firefox and Explorer side-by-side. The
> > drawer opens in Explorer but not in Firefox. 
> > 
> > I also don't understand why this happens since the flash isn't
> > supposed to depend on the browser. I'm just telling it the way it is.
> > 
> > But I still like my Firefox better :-)
> 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I just used Mozilla 1.7.2 with Shockwave Flash 7.0 r19. You can find
> your Flash version by selecting the [Help] menu of your Browser then
> select [About Plug-ins] and scan the list.
> 
> You may need an updated version of Flash.

Neri:

Thanks. I didn't find it because in Firefox (1.0 PR for XP) the menues
are apparently different, but when I right-click JKR's site I find
that this is Macromedia Flash Player 7,0,19,0 (the same as I get when
opening it from IE) so this doesn't seem to be the problem.








From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Nov  1 01:36:09 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:36:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Firefox browser/ Thunderbird Email/ Mozilla 
     Suite
In-Reply-To: <cm3oti+12mf@eGroups.com>
References: <2770.4.47.27.218.1099255618.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
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Steve said:

> Could you translate this into English '...history browsing didn't
> stall it'?

I had altered my browser history months ago to retain up to 999 days (at
the time, the program didn't like anything greater).

When I try to load up my history, Firefox becomes unresponsive for
*minutes* as it *struggles* to load up the data.  Internet Explorer is
useful in that the history loads up in seconds and I can access it
immediately.

I have large history files because searching for fanfic previously read
before is one of the most daunting aspects in this fandom.  Retaining a
large history helps a bit while I'm still trying to figure out a way to
organize reading 'sessions'.

Plus, I don't know why exactly... but Firefox on my computer has recently
become unstable, regardless of the lastest upgrade.  Before, I never saw
it crash in days; now, it's a daily thing and I use IE to load up pages
Firefox dies on such as Earthlink's webmail.

I tried backtracking via uninstalling added on software and extensions and
even a reinstall of Firefox (after uninstalling it per Mozilla
instructions), but still, it's become unreliable.  I tinker with numerous
programs to the point it's hard to pinpoint the whens and ifs.


> Regarding the attempts by some websites to surpress right-click, I
> find that with most of those websites even if they try to surpress it,
> the right-click menu still appears; very very convenient.

Aye, Mozilla is great there.

Dina





From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Mon Nov  1 04:41:43 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:41:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gone already!
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGEBJCCAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <000101c4bfcd$16e231a0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

Still open here in Terre Haute, IN.

~Yb

-----Original Message-----
From: storm [mailto:miss_megan at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 5:13 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gone already!


It's still off here

storm

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Sent: Monday, 1 November 2004 8:38 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gone already!



Wow that was fast!  The sign is back up.

Heather

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From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Mon Nov  1 04:58:56 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:58:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <2850.4.47.27.218.1099258452.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <000201c4bfcf$7ecb1370$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Lerret [mailto:redina at silverbloom.net] 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 4:34 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question RE: new info from jkr.com

 

*         lavaluvn said:
>
>
> Spoiler here for the Halloween treat on Jo's site, but I had a
> question....
>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> Does anyone else think Felix Felicis may be our previously described
> tawny-haired "Lion Man"?  Not that this helps much.  Has the name
> ever been seen in canon before?  I don't recall it.

Nope and nope.  I don't think it's a name...

http://sunsite.ubc.ca/LatinDictionary/HyperText/f.html

Scroll down to 'felix felicis'.

Dina

Yb's musings (all hyper from hot chocolate and Jo's revelation):

D'ya suppose it's a new spell? Kinda sounds like one, plus the
definition in the link above may indicate a charm. I'm more interested
in "Spinners End" (a place, I'll bet mnoney on it!!) and "Draco's
Detour." Oooh, I'm all a-quiver, won't be long now, chapter titles are
usually the last things written, aren't they?

 

THANK YOU JO!

~Yb



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From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 05:37:50 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:37:50 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday x4!  And Happy Hallowe'en!
Message-ID: <cm4i3e+tm9n@eGroups.com>


First of all, HAPPY HALLOWE'EN!  The night when the veil between the 
worlds is thinnest... Ah, one of my favorite holidays!  And isn't it 
just fitting that we have not one, not two, but FOUR birthdays to 
celebrate this day?

And today's honorees are some pretty great people!  There's Kelley, 
who should be owled at kelleythompson at gbronline.com, and Paul, who 
can be found at paul-groups at wibbles.org, and then there's Julia (aka 
Eowynn), who can be reached at eowynn_24 at yahoo.com, and last, but 
certainly not least, there's Rachel Bray.  Owl her at 
bray.262 at osu.edu.

And I've got the perfect music for the occasion!  Come on in! *a 
troop of skeletons with instruments come in and set up* And they're 
very good, I promise!

I hope you all brought Hallowe'en costumes--we've got lots of time to 
dance, and brilliant music to dance by, and it'll be fun!  But if you 
forgot a costume, don't worry--the cupboard back there *gestures 
behind her* should be filled with whatever you need.

And I've got just the cake--be right back! *pops out, and pops back 
in with large pumpkin-shaped cake with orange and black frosting* 
Mmmm, and it's such good cake too.  Go on, everyone, try some!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KELLEY!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PAUL!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JULIA!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, RACHEL!

And HAPPY HALLOWE'EN, EVERYONE!

--Rynny the birthday elf






From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Nov  1 05:50:53 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:50:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <000201c4bfcf$7ecb1370$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
References: <2850.4.47.27.218.1099258452.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <000201c4bfcf$7ecb1370$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
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Rebecca K Hubbard said:

> D'ya suppose it's a new spell?

Possibly since it's heavily based in Latin.


> in "Spinners End" (a place, I'll bet mnoney on it!!)

I'll pool money there because I'm going to do the 'punctuation
argument'... There's no possessive apostrophe.


> and "Draco's
> Detour."

Again, going with 'instructional/directional' chapter titles.


> Oooh, I'm all a-quiver, won't be long now, chapter titles are
> usually the last things written, aren't they?

Dunno there.

What I do know is I still have a bowl of chocolate! :-D {eyeing a small
pile of empty chocolate wrappers next to her computer's mouse}  Not as
many kids this time around.

Dina





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 07:36:56 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 07:36:56 -0000
Subject: Firefox browser/ Thunderbird Email/ Mozilla Suite
In-Reply-To: <3978.4.47.27.218.1099272969.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cm4p2o+39ql@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <redina at s...> wrote:
> Steve said:
> 
> > Could you translate this into English '...history browsing didn't
> > stall it'?



> I had altered my browser history months ago to retain up to 999 days
> (atthe time, the program didn't like anything greater).
> 
> When I try to load up my history, Firefox becomes unresponsive for
> *minutes* as it *struggles* to load up the data. Internet Explorer 
> is useful in that the history loads up in seconds and I can access 
> it immediately.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Aye, Mozilla is great there.
> 
> Dina


bboyminn:

I'll show you why Mozilla/Foxfire is unresponsive.

First, I suggest you search you computer for

history.*

That should bring up the Mozilla/Foxfire History files which are 

history.dat

and

history.mab

I have my computer set to remember 10 days history and the HISTORY.DAT
files is 2Mb. (2,000,000)

Expanding that to your computer with 999 days, and it would imply that
you History file is 199Mb. [I'm really curious, just how big this file
is.] That is ONE HUGE FILE, and is probably using a tremendous amount
of resources. And easily explains why Foxfire stalls while it tries to
load that huge file. In addition, it is probably consuming so much of
your computer's resources that it is contributing to it's instability. 

I suggest you limit it to 365 days or less, and try to use Bookmarks
or a separate link list for your fan fictions. 

Since you use Internet Explorer less often, it's likely that it's
history list is much much smaller that Mozilla/Foxfire's. You might
try searching to the file named...

History.IE5

... or something close to that, to compare the size. I'm not 100% sure
that's the right file but it came up in my search.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Nov  1 07:53:41 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:53:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Firefox browser/ Thunderbird Email/ Mozilla 
     Suite
In-Reply-To: <cm4p2o+39ql@eGroups.com>
References: <3978.4.47.27.218.1099272969.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cm4p2o+39ql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1910.4.47.27.218.1099295621.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Steve said:

> I have my computer set to remember 10 days history and the HISTORY.DAT
> files is 2Mb. (2,000,000)

My history.dat for Firefox is ~15.3megs.  Not sure how many months it
contains (I could take a nap by the time its history fully loads) but I
downloaded FF 0.8 as the only version Mozilla had up, so I'm estimating
the start date is before June 2004.


> History.IE5

Size for IE is almost double at ~29.9megs.


> Just passing it along.

Thanks for trying but Firefox still sucks at loading up its history file.

Dina





From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  1 08:59:40 2004
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:59:40 -0000
Subject: JKR Site - those damned flying keys!
Message-ID: <cm4tts+mpgj@eGroups.com>



Can anybody tell me how to tell which is the right key? I've been 
trying the door with randomly caught keys, and it's not working. What 
am I doing wrong?


Naama






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Mon Nov  1 10:59:27 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:59:27 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR Site - those damned flying keys!
In-Reply-To: <cm4tts+mpgj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGECACCAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

hi Namma

just keep trying, there doesn't seem to be a trick.

good luck

storm

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 1 November 2004 8:00 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR Site - those damned flying keys!





Can anybody tell me how to tell which is the right key? I've been
trying the door with randomly caught keys, and it's not working. What
am I doing wrong?


Naama






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From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 16:30:34 2004
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:30:34 -0000
Subject: Help! The magnifying glass!
Message-ID: <cm5oba+nku1@eGroups.com>


I got the drawer open, took out the magnifying glass, and went over 
the desk, heck, even the whole room! Then I checked MuggleNet, and 
it said to go over the notepad, which I have done many times now. 
Nothing...Is this only something that worked yesterday (Halloween), 
or am I doing something wrong? Help, please! Thanks!

-Barb






From jmoses22002 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 16:55:55 2004
From: jmoses22002 at yahoo.com (Joshua Moses)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:55:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Help! The magnifying glass!
In-Reply-To: <cm5oba+nku1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041101165555.60330.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Barb Fulton <barbfulton at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> I got the drawer open, took out the magnifying
> glass, and went over 
> the desk, heck, even the whole room! Then I checked
> MuggleNet, and 
> it said to go over the notepad, which I have done
> many times now. 
> Nothing...Is this only something that worked
> yesterday (Halloween), 
> or am I doing something wrong? Help, please! Thanks!
> 
> -Barb
> 
> 
> 

   I just did it again so it works today to.  Are you
letting go of the mouse button when you are over the
folder, because you should
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From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Mon Nov  1 17:16:17 2004
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:16:17 -0000
Subject: Help! The magnifying glass!
In-Reply-To: <cm5oba+nku1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm5r11+e0jn@eGroups.com>


I just did it so it's working today.



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Barb Fulton" 
<barbfulton at y...> wrote:
> 
> I got the drawer open, took out the magnifying glass, and went 
over 
> the desk, heck, even the whole room! Then I checked MuggleNet, and 
> it said to go over the notepad, which I have done many times now. 
> Nothing...Is this only something that worked yesterday 
(Halloween), 
> or am I doing something wrong? Help, please! Thanks!
> 
> -Barb






From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 18:47:07 2004
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:47:07 -0000
Subject: Help! The magnifying glass!
In-Reply-To: <20041101165555.60330.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cm60bb+e7qj@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Joshua Moses >    I just did 
it again so it works today to.  Are you
> letting go of the mouse button when you are over the
> folder, because you should
>                       -jmoses22002

No, I wasn't letting go...it worked-thanks!

-Barb






From mercy_72476 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 19:41:59 2004
From: mercy_72476 at yahoo.com (Lisa (Jennings) Mamula)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:41:59 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
Message-ID: <cm63i7+rmti@eGroups.com>



I was wondering if any of you wonderful listies could answer some questions I 
have about 'Brit-speak", especially concerning clothing.  In the HP books and 
in HP fanfics (which I, unfortunately, have become helplessly addicted to), 
there are lots of references to clothing that I really don't understand, such as 
"jumper," "dressing gown," "nightdress."  I'm not sure if it's because I'm an 
American or if I'm just a little slow on the uptake.  Help?

LisaMarie









From mercy_72476 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 20:09:22 2004
From: mercy_72476 at yahoo.com (Lisa (Jennings) Mamula)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:09:22 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
Message-ID: <cm655i+49fo@eGroups.com>



I, being the ignorant American that I am, have some more questions about 
Brit-speak, this time for food.  

1) What is all this talk about "puddings" and "tarts"???  I am especially curious 
about "treacle tart."  

2) What is tripe?

3) What are "meat pies"? 
(particularly, I remember several HP canon references to "steak and kidney 
pie" ... what is it?)

4) I'm also puzzled by "beef tea."  Is this like the American "broth," or 
something else entirely?

If any of these appear to be silly questions, please, no flaming.  I'm just asking 
to be more well-informed.  :) 
Thanks!
LisaMarie









From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 20:35:51 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:35:51 -0000
Subject: JKR Site - those damned flying keys!
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGECACCAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <cm66n7+f9g1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> wrote:
> hi Namma
> 
> just keep trying, there doesn't seem to be a trick.
> 
> good luck
> 
> storm
> 

> From: naamagatus [mailto:naama_gat at h...]
> 
> 
> Can anybody tell me how to tell which is the right key? I've been
> trying the door with randomly caught keys, and it's not working. 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> 
> Naama


bboyminn: 

Not sure it will work for everyone but, to some extent, I found it
better to leave my mouse pointer in one spot and wait for a key to fly
under it. 

You have to keep holding the mouse button down to /trap/ the key then
drag it down to the keyhole. If you have the right key it will rotate
in the lock. 

After this happened, maybe for FLASH code was loading, I had trouble
getting the handle to open the door, but eventually it worked.

As far as any clue as to which might be the right key, I didn't see
anything that gave it away.


Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From ryokas at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  1 20:58:48 2004
From: ryokas at hotmail.com (kizor0)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:58:48 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm3jc2+384o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm6828+pnmh@eGroups.com>



> Does anyone else think Felix Felicis may be our previously 
described 
> tawny-haired "Lion Man"?  Not that this helps much.  Has the name 
> ever been seen in canon before?  I don't recall it.
> 
> -Andromeda

I say most likely. Given the over-the-top lionish look of the tawny-
haired guy, the inclusion of an extremely feline name means there has 
to be some sort of connection going on here. This would be the 
simplest choice.

- Kizor

Cue insane speculation involving Hermione's polyjuice incident in the 
second book!






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 21:00:27 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:00:27 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cm655i+49fo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm685b+gnoq@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa (Jennings) Mamula"
<mercy_72476 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I, being the ignorant American that I am, have some more questions
> about  Brit-speak, this time for food.  
> 
> 1) What is all this talk about "puddings" and "tarts"???  I am 
> especially curious about "treacle tart."  
> 

Pudding means dessert also referred to as 'afters'. Rarely when they
talk about pudding do they really mean pudding; it could be ice cream,
pie, cake, Jell-0 (which they call Jelly), or anything else an
American might consider Dessert.

> 2) What is tripe?
> 

It is a soup made primarily from the Intestines of large animals like
sheep or cows. So in simple terms ... guts soup. Also used to refer to
the meaty intestines themselves. 


> 3) What are "meat pies"? 
> (particularly, I remember several HP canon references to "steak and 
> kidney pie" ... what is it?)
> 

We call them Pot Pies, as in Swanson Pot Pies. You can buy them in any
US grocery store. Think of double crust(upper and lower) pie with beef
stew as filling instead of fruit and you'll have a pretty close idea.

...and for reference, Pasty (UK) = Hot Pockets (US).



> 4) I'm also puzzled by "beef tea."  Is this like the American 
> "broth," or  something else entirely?
> 

Can't imagine what this might be. My guess would be the same as your;
'broth' or bouillon.


> If any of these appear to be silly questions, please, no flaming.
> I'm just asking to be more well-informed.  :) 
>
> Thanks!
> LisaMarie

Here are some links to British<->American dictionaries-

Best of British (very fun)-
http://www.effingpot.com/

Dictionary of English Slang-
http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/

http://www.travelfurther.net/dictionaries/

Hope that helps.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov  1 21:15:51 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:15:51 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: Food
References: <cm655i+49fo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c4c057$f7ac04b0$69206bd5@kathryn>



> 1) What is all this talk about "puddings" and "tarts"???  I am especially
curious
> about "treacle tart."
>

Pudding either means dessert in general or a specific type of dessert (you
know English has more words than almost any other language you'd think we
would be able to get by without using the same darn word for several things)
like Christmas pudding. Uh except of course when it means a sort of pie (for
want of a better description) made with suet pastry stuff (I'm using all the
technical terms here, you can tell!). Generally if it's made in a pudding
basin it's a pudding ....

> 2) What is tripe?
>
Trust me when I say you're better off *not* knowing

> 3) What are "meat pies"?
> (particularly, I remember several HP canon references to "steak and kidney
> pie" ... what is it?)
>
Uh - do you Americans not have pies then? It's basically made of pastry and
filled with something - in the case of steak and kidney, with lumps of
stewing steak and pieces of kidney.

> 4) I'm also puzzled by "beef tea."  Is this like the American "broth," or
> something else entirely?
>

Yes I think it is exactly like broth.





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov  1 21:18:53 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:18:53 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: clothing
References: <cm63i7+rmti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002601c4c058$64071fa0$69206bd5@kathryn>



>
> I was wondering if any of you wonderful listies could answer some
questions I
> have about 'Brit-speak", especially concerning clothing.  In the HP books
and
> in HP fanfics (which I, unfortunately, have become helplessly addicted
to),
> there are lots of references to clothing that I really don't understand,
such as
> "jumper," "dressing gown," "nightdress."  I'm not sure if it's because I'm
an
> American or if I'm just a little slow on the uptake.  Help?
>

A jumper is what Americans call a sweater. A night dress does exactly what
it says in the tin - it's a dress-like piece of clothing used for sleeping
in (I'll add used by *women* since while it seems obvious to me, if you've
never heard of one I guess it wouldn't be for you). A dressing gown is a
robe, usually with a tie belt, which is worn over night clothes when
wandering around the house etc, covers a wide range from silk kimono type
things to towelling robes to well pretty much anything.

K





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 21:33:58 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:33:58 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing -with LINKS to More
In-Reply-To: <cm63i7+rmti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm6a46+84j3@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa (Jennings) Mamula"
<mercy_72476 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> there are lots of references to clothing that I really don't 
> understand, such as  "jumper," "dressing gown," "nightdress."  I'm 
> not sure if it's because I'm an American or if I'm just a little
> slow on the uptake.  Help?
> 
> LisaMarie


bboyminn;

I'm not British, but I have investigate these oddities myself for I
was at one time just as confused as you. 

Note: In your other post, I listed some links to British Dictionaries,
also, the HP Lexicon has a list of British-isms used in the books.

Jumper = Pull over sweater

Dressing gown = bathrobe (men and women's)

Nightdress = if you've ever seen old movies that take place in the
18th and 19th centuries, then you have seen men dressed for sleep not
in pajamas but in a long white pull-over flannel shirt that comes down
below their knees. That would more commonly be referred to as a
nightshirt. I assume that nightdress simply refers to a woman's
equivalent, or what we frequenlty call a flannel nightgown.

In addition-

Plus-fours - a pair of knee pant typically worn by adult golfers. The
pants cinch just below the knee, and I assume is intended for freedom
of movement. 

Knickers - frequently used to refer to underwear usually female underwear.

If you are really interested, we have had some really good discussion
here, some of the best have been about food.

Brit-Speak: Vernon Dursley is a /Director/.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/23948

Brit Speak - Joined-Up Writing Confusion
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/22486

Brit Speak: Child in a Highchair Drinking Tea?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/22182

Brit Speak: Difference between Fireman and Soldier?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/22163

One last one to a post that contains several links to language, food,
and culture discussions.

Link for Jammie Dodgers, teas, etc. - LINKS GALORE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24321

That should keep you busy for a while.

Hope that helps.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)









From mercy_72476 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 21:44:08 2004
From: mercy_72476 at yahoo.com (Lisa (Jennings) Mamula)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:44:08 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <002601c4c058$64071fa0$69206bd5@kathryn>
Message-ID: <cm6an8+v4m9@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:

> A jumper is what Americans call a sweater. A night dress does exactly what
> it says in the tin - it's a dress-like piece of clothing used for sleeping
> in (I'll add used by *women* since while it seems obvious to me, if you've
> never heard of one I guess it wouldn't be for you). A dressing gown is a
> robe, usually with a tie belt, which is worn over night clothes when
> wandering around the house etc, covers a wide range from silk kimono type
> things to towelling robes to well pretty much anything.
> 
> K

Thanks!  I figured as much about the night dress thing; I've always heard 
"nightgown" and could only assume it was the same, but I had to ask. :)


LM






From mercy_72476 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 22:02:20 2004
From: mercy_72476 at yahoo.com (Lisa (Jennings) Mamula)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:02:20 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <001e01c4c057$f7ac04b0$69206bd5@kathryn>
Message-ID: <cm6bpc+t6ji@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:

Kathryn answers "what's with all the pudding?" :
> Pudding either means dessert in general or a specific type of dessert (you
know English has more words than almost any other language you'd think we 
would be able to get by without using the same darn word for several things) 
like Christmas pudding. Uh except of course when it means a sort of pie (for 
want of a better description) made with suet pastry stuff (I'm using all the 
technical terms here, you can tell!). Generally if it's made in a pudding
basin it's a pudding ....<

LisaMarie smiles to herself:
Yes, I love the technical terms.  I am an English teacher, and I still use lots of 
them, like "thingy," which sends my students into horrified shock.  :)

So, pudding basically equals desert.  Good.  Next?


Kathryn answers "what is tripe"?:
> Trust me when I say you're better off *not* knowing 

LisaMarie shudders:
Oooh, yeah, just read a definition on this one.  Mmmm.  :) 


LisaMarie asked: 
3) What are "meat pies"? (particularly, I remember several HP canon 
references to "steak and kidney pie" ... what is it?)
> >
Kathryn answered:
> Uh - do you Americans not have pies then? It's basically made of pastry and
> filled with something - in the case of steak and kidney, with lumps of
> stewing steak and pieces of kidney.

LisaMarie blushes:
Well, yes, we do have pies.  I didn't mean to sound *that* dumb!  But when I 
think "pie," I think of something filled with cherries or apple slices, or even 
coconut cream or something, and it is served with whipped cream or ice 
cream on top.  "Meat pie" just didn't sound right in that vein.  The American 
equivalent for "meat pie" is "pot pie."  I understand now.  Personally, I prefer 
the British version here, but, what is one to do?  :)  I'm not sure about that 
"steak and kidney" bit, though.  







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Nov  1 22:01:39 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:01:39 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <cm63i7+rmti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm6bo3+3hj4@eGroups.com>


Lisa wrote:
 
> I was wondering if any of you wonderful listies could answer some 
questions I 
> have about 'Brit-speak

As well as the links Steve mentioned, there's this at the Lexicon:

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/help/strictly_british1.html

Oh, and if you haven't come across the Harry Potter Lexicon,
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/ is the home page, and you have hours of 
reading ahead.

David






From Botbyl at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  1 22:22:21 2004
From: Botbyl at hotmail.com (Kara Botbyl)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:22:21 +0000
Subject: JKR Site - those damned flying keys!
Message-ID: <BAY13-F7ZUr3CrJRxKZ00051c49@hotmail.com>



>Steve/bboyminn:
>
>Not sure it will work for everyone but, to some extent, I found it
>better to leave my mouse pointer in one spot and wait for a key to fly
>under it.
>
>You have to keep holding the mouse button down to /trap/ the key then
>drag it down to the keyhole. If you have the right key it will rotate
>in the lock.
>
>After this happened, maybe for FLASH code was loading, I had trouble
>getting the handle to open the door, but eventually it worked.
>
>As far as any clue as to which might be the right key, I didn't see
>anything that gave it away.


THE DOOR OPENED WHEN DID IT OPEN?!? OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE I MISSED IT I'VE BEEN 
WORKING LIKE CRAZY AND HAVING TO GO TO SLEEP AT LIKE 9 O'CLOCK, I'M SOOO 
DISAPPOINTED!!!!

"Kara"






From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 22:52:05 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:52:05 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm6828+pnmh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm6eml+1pfi@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kizor0" <ryokas at h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Does anyone else think Felix Felicis may be our previously 
> described 
> > tawny-haired "Lion Man"?  Not that this helps much.  Has the 
name 
> > ever been seen in canon before?  I don't recall it.
> > 
> > -Andromeda
> 
> I say most likely. Given the over-the-top lionish look of the 
tawny-
> haired guy, the inclusion of an extremely feline name means there 
has 
> to be some sort of connection going on here. This would be the 
> simplest choice.
> 
> - Kizor
> 
> Cue insane speculation involving Hermione's polyjuice incident in 
the second book!

me now:
  Yeah, my first reaction was to make the Felix=Feline connection, a 
la Remus Lupin, although Dina pointed out the "Felix, Felicis" = 
happy connection, so now I'm not so sure.  It could be a happy 
spell.  Maybe Harry's secret weapon isn't love after all, but... 
laughter!  Voldemort will be defeated in the end by.... a killer 
joke.  ANyone remember the Monty Python skit? ... ok, sorry, I'll go 
back to my own little galaxy now.

Andromeda







From azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  2 00:12:42 2004
From: azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:12:42 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cm655i+49fo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm6jdq+crin@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa (Jennings) Mamula" 
<mercy_72476 at y...> wrote:
> 4) I'm also puzzled by "beef tea."  Is this like the 
American "broth," or something else entirely?

As a brit I find this (beef tea) very odd. I have never heard anyone 
refer to beef tea.

I would guess that this refers to a Bovril type drink or a beef 
stock cube mixed with hot water.

Paul

PS
Bovril info - http://www.ubfoods.co.uk/product/savoury_bovril.asp






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 00:22:35 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:22:35 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <000201c4bfcf$7ecb1370$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cm6k0b+hmmt@eGroups.com>


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24905


- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca K Hubbard" 
<hubbarrk at r...> wrote:
>  
> 
>Snip<
> 
> Yb's musings (all hyper from hot chocolate and Jo's revelation):
> 
> D'ya suppose it's a new spell? Kinda sounds like one, plus the
> definition in the link above may indicate a charm. I'm more 
interested in "Spinners End" (a place, I'll bet mnoney on it!!) 
and "Draco's Detour." Oooh, I'm all a-quiver, won't be long now, 
chapter titles are usually the last things written, aren't they?
> 
>  
> 
> THANK YOU JO!
> 
> ~Yb
> 
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

I don't know that Felix Felicis is a spell. Sounds more like a 
person to me. Also notice the chapter numbers. If you look at the 
first three books Harry starts Hogwarts right around Chapter 6 so 
possibly Draco is not on the train but comes later and we find out 
why. I figure Spinners End is where Harry goes to right from the 
Dursleys. I figure it is either Hermione's house or where she lives 
or maybe Fred and George have bought a house with their money. 
Certainly will be a treat to find out!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****

Currently playing Myst Revelation.....






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 03:09:49 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:09:49 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Help! The magnifying glass!
Message-ID: <76.45131b0b.2eb8547d@aol.com>

You have to double click it over the notebook.  Then type in Chapters


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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 04:08:25 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:08:25 -0800
Subject: Hey, dude, it's me ^_^ :P
Message-ID: <dkbnlhqjilxvcoqiutf@yahoo.com>

I  don't  bite, weah!

pass:  08456


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From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Nov  2 04:22:45 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:22:45 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: clothing
Message-ID: <9d.51af0b91.2eb86595@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/1/2004 12:25:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
mercy_72476 at yahoo.com writes:
LisaMarie wrote:
I was wondering if any of you wonderful listies could answer some questions I 
have about 'Brit-speak", especially concerning clothing.  In the HP books 
<snip>
*************************************************

Chancie:
Yea, I have a question too, what is a balacava?  Its said that Hagrid wears 
one in CoS and someone in GoF (Sorry I forgot who).  It drives me crazy every
time I read it.  I know it's obviously something worn over the head...Or
at lest I hope so or I'm going to sound pretty dumb.

chancie


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From penmouse756 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 04:33:13 2004
From: penmouse756 at yahoo.com (penmouse756)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:33:13 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <9d.51af0b91.2eb86595@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cm72m9+9nsj@eGroups.com>


Hi,
A balaclava is knitted(usually)winter hat that covers the whole head 
and neck, but leaves the face exposed. Kinda like a faceless ski 
mask. Hope you get the idea.
Sevfan


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/1/2004 12:25:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> mercy_72476 at y... writes:
> LisaMarie wrote:
> I was wondering if any of you wonderful listies could answer some 
questions I 
> have about 'Brit-speak", especially concerning clothing.  In the 
HP books 
> <snip>
> *************************************************
> 
> Chancie:
> Yea, I have a question too, what is a balacava?  Its said that 
Hagrid wears 
> one in CoS and someone in GoF (Sorry I forgot who).  It drives me 
crazy every
> time I read it.  I know it's obviously something worn over the 
head...Or
> at lest I hope so or I'm going to sound pretty dumb.
> 
> chancie
> 
> 
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From Erthena at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 04:42:32 2004
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:42:32 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm6k0b+hmmt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm737o+v6ia@eGroups.com>


> > Yb's musings (all hyper from hot chocolate and Jo's revelation):
> > 
> > D'ya suppose it's a new spell? Kinda sounds like one, plus the
> > definition in the link above may indicate a charm. I'm more 
> interested in "Spinners End" (a place, I'll bet mnoney on it!!) 
> and "Draco's Detour." Oooh, I'm all a-quiver, won't be long now, 
> chapter titles are usually the last things written, aren't they?

> Dudemom_2000
> I don't know that Felix Felicis is a spell. Sounds more like a 
> person to me. Also notice the chapter numbers. If you look at the 
> first three books Harry starts Hogwarts right around Chapter 6 so 
> possibly Draco is not on the train but comes later and we find out 
> why. I figure Spinners End is where Harry goes to right from the 
> Dursleys. I figure it is either Hermione's house or where she 
lives 
> or maybe Fred and George have bought a house with their money. 
> Certainly will be a treat to find out!

Now loony:
HereI come with the latin... I knew Felix= Lucky, fortunate, but I 
was completely stumped on felictis, so I asked my latin teacher and 
it means...lucky, fortunate.  So it's lucky lucky or Lucky (felix = 
nominative singular) felictis = either of lucky or luckies (direct 
object) Filectis is either Genitive singular or accusitive plural.  
I'm still not absolutely sure about which translation is correct, 
felictis could also be a variation on feliciter, luckily, but both 
words definately have luck involved with them.  I am somehow 
reminded of dear old Ludo.
Hope this helps,
~~loony, happy to be the first on the latin for once






From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Nov  2 05:16:27 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:16:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm737o+v6ia@eGroups.com>
References: <cm6k0b+hmmt@eGroups.com> <cm737o+v6ia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2721.4.47.27.254.1099372587.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

werebearloony said:

> words definately have luck involved with them.  I am somehow
> reminded of dear old Ludo.

I'm reminded of the mirror Harry breaks at the end of OOTP.  Superstition
states it's bad luck to break a mirror.

Dina




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Nov  2 11:20:01 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:20:01 -0000
Subject: Rowling endorses candidate
Message-ID: <cm7qh1+6g3m@eGroups.com>


Rowling Endorses Candidate

In a shock move six months ago the noted author JK Rowling 
intervened in the election for the post of Minister for Magic.  When 
she was asked "Will Arthur Weasley be the new Minister for Magic?" 
she replied "Alas, no".

An outraged Fred Weasley, speaking for the Weasley campaign, hit 
back: "If she thinks she can just write us out of the plot like 
that, she's got another think coming.  Weasley is our king!"  A 
spokesperson for S.P.E.W., which has received encouragement from the 
Weasley campaign in the past, said in a high-pitched voice: "She 
can't say that, she just can't!  It goes against all laws of 
authorial self-insertion!"

Mr Draco Malfoy, associated with the Malfoy campaign, added "She 
should stay out of politics and get on with writing the books.  
After five years, I still have no personality whatsoever, and I'm 
beginning to wonder if I ever will, and my friends Crabbe and Goyle 
have been completely deprived of their freedom of speech all that 
time."

Many observers, however, see in her words tacit support for 
the 'anybody but Fudge' movement, which has also taken heart from 
the recent victory by the Chudley Cannons (see 'Orange Sox 
Lift "Curse of the Bagman"', p94).  Draco's father, Lucius Malfoy, 
added: "Fudge has kept prisoners at an offshore location beyond 
judicial scrutiny for too long.  It's time for a change."  An 
associate, who did not wish to be named, added "Enough, Lucius, my 
slippery friend.  I have a plan for the wizarding world that will 
soon be making its mark".  Pressed for details, however, he merely 
gave a cold high laugh and disapparated in a flash of green light.

In a further 'October Surprise' move widely seen as aimed at 
unsettling the wizarding electorate, Ms Rowling broke a long period 
of silence to assert on her website that 'some of us may bore you', 
and further confused voters by wishing Molly Weasley a happy 
birthday.  This was seen by analysts as the clearest indication yet 
that Ms Rowling ? often referred to by her initials JKR and thought 
to be the leader of a worldwide shadowy group known as 'The Fandom' ?
 accepts responsibility for the state of the wizarding world.

Some observers were able to remain calm.  One bystander courteously 
twinkled: "Ms Rowling is entitled to her views.  I'm sure she meant 
well when she killed, obliviated, fired, kidnapped and drove to 
insanity my Defence Against the Dark Arts staff."

Nonetheless, many analysts regard JKR as something of a loose 
cannon, recalling the ruthless way she killed off the Black 
campaign, and would rather draw a veil over the whole matter.

The Quibbler






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Tue Nov  2 12:06:21 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:06:21 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cm655i+49fo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm7t7t+5scg@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa (Jennings) Mamula" 
<mercy_72476 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I, being the ignorant American that I am, have some more questions about 
> Brit-speak, this time for food.  
> 
> 1) What is all this talk about "puddings" and "tarts"???  I am especially curious 
> about "treacle tart."  
> 

I see you've had lots of replies that cover everything except tarts.

You're familiar with apple pie, of course - an apple filling with pastry
top and bottom; tarts are similar except the pastry topping is omitted (you
need to keep  an eye on the baking; these fillings can easily scorch).
 
It's a shallow open pie, if you like and is commonly in the form of jam tarts, 
(erm - not certain if 'jam' is used in US - it's fruit boiled with sugar to make
a kind of preserve), apple tarts, treacle tarts, mincemeat tarts (which isn't 
made from meat but a mixture of fruit and spices with a bit of shredded suet).
These can be made in sizes varying from single mouthfuls to standard pie size.
All good rib-sticking stuff.

Especially treacle tart. Treacle (if you  don't know it)  is a cross between 
molasses and maple syrup in sweetness and consistency and is produced
in sugar cane refining. During baking the layer of treacle solidifies and
caramelises (just a bit). It's for those with a real sweet tooth. Splendid hot
with ice cream.

Kneasy






From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 14:00:40 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:00:40 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <2721.4.47.27.254.1099372587.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cm83u8+hijb@eGroups.com>


Where is the new info and title names?  i have not been able to find 
anything there.  And A question here.  maybe I am not remembering it 
but I thought Harry just wrapped up the mirror andput it in the 
bottom of his trunk when did he break it?
sherry

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <redina at s...> 
wrote:
> werebearloony said:
> 
> > words definately have luck involved with them.  I am somehow
> > reminded of dear old Ludo.
> 
> I'm reminded of the mirror Harry breaks at the end of OOTP.  
Superstition
> states it's bad luck to break a mirror.
> 
> Dina






From spin01 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 14:09:26 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:09:26 -0000
Subject: do not disturb sign is gone again
Message-ID: <cm84em+m00j@eGroups.com>


Ok so I just went to the Door and the Do not disturb sign is gone 
again.  I will assume someone has gotten in and that is where they 
found the title names but how do you get in?  thanks
shery






From finwitch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 14:13:46 2004
From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:13:46 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm83u8+hijb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm84mq+ibs1@eGroups.com>




Sherry: 
> Where is the new info and title names?  i have not been able to 
find 
> anything there.  And A question here.  maybe I am not remembering 
it 
> but I thought Harry just wrapped up the mirror andput it in the 
> bottom of his trunk when did he break it?
> sherry

Behind the DOOR. Click the circular item on the desk (It gives ? when 
you move the mouse over it). Of course, there's a trick to open the 
door - and then you need to solve a puzzle behind it... (Mind you, 
the Door WON'T open if it has Do Not Disturb -sign hanging...)

Finwitch






From jmoses22002 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 14:15:56 2004
From: jmoses22002 at yahoo.com (Joshua Moses)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:15:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm83u8+hijb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041102141556.44953.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com>


--- spinelli372003 <spin01 at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> Where is the new info and title names?  i have not
> been able to find 
> anything there.  And A question here.  maybe I am
> not remembering it 
> but I thought Harry just wrapped up the mirror
> andput it in the 
> bottom of his trunk when did he break it?
> sherry
   
  Your don't see that the mirror breaks, but you hear
that the mirror breaks. I don't remember the wording,
but I think it breaks when he throws the rest of his
stuff in the trunk.
                      -jmoses22002


		
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Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. 
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From finwitch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 14:34:05 2004
From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:34:05 -0000
Subject: do not disturb sign is gone again
In-Reply-To: <cm84em+m00j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm85st+onlj@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" 
<spin01 at a...> wrote:
> 
> Ok so I just went to the Door and the Do not disturb sign is gone 
> again.  I will assume someone has gotten in and that is where they 
> found the title names but how do you get in?  thanks
> shery

Finwitch:

Wait for Peeves.
Unlock the door with a key. (Might not succeed first try)
press the handle.

Finwitch






From finwitch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 14:40:06 2004
From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:40:06 -0000
Subject: How do you open the drawer?
In-Reply-To: <cm3l7e+b61t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm8686+7lpi@eGroups.com>



>  How do you open the drawer? I'm looking at the desk, I see the 
> handle but hothing happens when I click on it!!!!!
> Help
> Mandy

I've tried it several times, and only just got it work. I suppose you 
must *drag* it open, not just click it. (You don't open real drawers 
by touching them, do you?) First time I succeeded, the door was the 
first thing I did - don't know if NOT visiting other links first had 
anything to do with it, though...

Finwitch






From finwitch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 14:45:36 2004
From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:45:36 -0000
Subject: Stuck
In-Reply-To: <cm3crd+pj7m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm86ig+4bnm@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lauralaylin" <laura at k...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> I opened the drawer, answered the riddle, but all that happened are
> pages arrived behind a piece of paper that says "The Half-Blood
> Prince" by JK Rowling.  I can't access the papers.  Nothing happens
> when I click on them, drag them, etc.  Can anyone help?

I dragged the papers upwards (not all of them move though) Only 
enough to reveal the three chapter titles, for 2, 6 and 14.

Finwitch






From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 14:57:04 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:57:04 -0000
Subject: door shut
Message-ID: <cm8780+3tll@eGroups.com>


my door is shut and the sign is back - did I miss it while my 
telephone line was down?  BUMMER






From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 15:05:48 2004
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:05:48 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] door shut
References: <cm8780+3tll@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c4c0ed$734684c0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sarah 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:57 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] door shut



  my door is shut and the sign is back - did I miss it while my 
  telephone line was down?  BUMMER


  From Jenny:
  I just went there and the sign is not up. You should be able
  to get into the door.


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From garybec at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 15:07:49 2004
From: garybec at yahoo.com (garybec)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:07:49 -0000
Subject: Stuck
In-Reply-To: <cm86ig+4bnm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm87s5+ddp0@eGroups.com>


That is all there is, 3 chapter titles.  



> > I opened the drawer, answered the riddle, but all that happened 
are
> > pages arrived behind a piece of paper that says "The Half-Blood
> > Prince" by JK Rowling.  I can't access the papers.  Nothing 
happens
> > when I click on them, drag them, etc.  Can anyone help?
> 
> I dragged the papers upwards (not all of them move though) Only 
> enough to reveal the three chapter titles, for 2, 6 and 14.
> 
> Finwitch






From finwitch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 15:07:24 2004
From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:07:24 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <1115.4.47.27.218.1099288253.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cm87rc+qq0j@eGroups.com>


 
> Rebecca said:
> > in "Spinners End" (a place, I'll bet mnoney on it!!)
 "Dina responses:
> I'll pool money there because I'm going to do the 'punctuation
> argument'... There's no possessive apostrophe.
 
Finwitch:

I'm for the place - or rather, a road. There is a road named Spinners 
End near Bristol - no aposthrophe.

One meaning without the aposthrophe is that Spinners (noun, plural) 
end (verb) - but that sounds too odd to me. (Unless it means no more 
spinners/spiders, in the cup-board under stairs).

It could also be the name for a spider-killing device/poison, but 
what would that have to do with Harry?

So Road/Place - but:

Fred&George? I think they live at upstairs of 93 Diagon Alley now. 
(Above Weasley Wizard Wheezes) But it is plausible. (Particularly 
with apparition!) I see F&G as the ones who'd get Harry out so early -
 as the members of OOP reckon: "Harry Potter is safe there". (Not so 
safe with the Dementors hanging out, was he?)

Of course, Sirius might be back as a phoenix (Dead, but reborn) and 
*take* Harry there... (Wishful thinking, I suppose, but oh well).

Finwitch






From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 15:12:17 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:12:17 -0000
Subject: door shut
In-Reply-To: <00d601c4c0ed$734684c0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <cm884h+qtn6@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bamajenny12" 
<BamaJenny12 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
>   From Jenny:
>   I just went there and the sign is not up. You should be able
>   to get into the door.

have been back, the sign is gone now, but Peeves just came through 
and the vase went the way it usually does, so no keys.  do i wait for 
him to come back?






From finwitch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 15:14:07 2004
From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:14:07 -0000
Subject: door shut
In-Reply-To: <cm884h+qtn6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm887v+10bnp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bamajenny12" 
> <BamaJenny12 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   From Jenny:
> >   I just went there and the sign is not up. You should be able
> >   to get into the door.
> 
> have been back, the sign is gone now, but Peeves just came through 
> and the vase went the way it usually does, so no keys.  do i wait 
for 
> him to come back?

Try the handle. Maybe the lock is already open :) I heard it's 
happened to someone before...

Finwitch






From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 15:20:39 2004
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:20:39 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: door shut
References: <cm884h+qtn6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017601c4c0ef$e00ece80$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sarah 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:12 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: door shut




  have been back, the sign is gone now, but Peeves just came through 
  and the vase went the way it usually does, so no keys.  do i wait for 
  him to come back?

  From Jenny:
  It has done that to me too. I waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and
  waited :-) for Peeves to come through, then no keys. I finally closed the site,
  then went back to it. The next time I got the keys. When Peeves comes through
  and knocks over the flower vase the keys come out of there.






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From finwitch at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 15:30:22 2004
From: finwitch at yahoo.com (finwitch)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:30:22 -0000
Subject: The Do Not Disturb Sign on JKR's website is off -- SPOILER
In-Reply-To: <20041031160159.59318.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cm896e+mv5m@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> SPOILER...
> 
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> 
> You have to wait for the keys to come swirling, then catch the 
right key
> that opens the door (that took me a long time!).
> 
> Once you get the picture of the desk, you have to open the drawer 
and pick
> up the magnifying glass.  You slide the glass over the desk until 
it opens
> a link to a riddle, which I can't figure out.
> 
> One by one we come to life,
> then side-by-side we wait
> while our company swells in numbers
> (some come early, some come late); 
> and some of us may bore you, 
> and some of us enthral,
> but you cannot choose between us
> you must take us one and all.
> We'll be bound together tightly
> for we're naught if we break free.
> If you'd like some clues about us
> simply answer: WHO ARE WE?
> 
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 
> 
> The answer is "chapters"
> 

Finwitch:

Just type the answer. The Riddle vanishes and is replaced by Harry 
Potter and the Half Blood Prince.

Then you can draw out three papers enough to see the chapters (like 
with the key & the drawer)

Finwitch. 






From lists at heidi8.com  Tue Nov  2 15:36:10 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:36:10 -0500
Subject: The time is now, the day is here (if you're in the US, that is)
Message-ID: <1099409775.2C4350A6@g28.dngr.org>

My friend BK, who some of you might know from his running of The Leaky 
Cauldron, has put together an informational page that's a good resource 
if you have trouble at the polls - print it and take it, just in case: 
http://www.brain-stream.com/blog/archives/001613.html

If you end up doing a provisional ballot, call your party's local office 
asap - if you're an independent, call the party whose candidate you 
picked for prez - and let them know who you are, what your precinct is, 
and why they had you do a provisional.

This isn't a political post and it isn't meant to start any discussions 
about who voted for what - it's just a way of making sure everyone who's 
allowed to vote gets to.

Heidi


Http://www.fictionalley.org



From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 15:58:16 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:58:16 -0000
Subject: getting frustrated now
Message-ID: <cm8aqo+gou4@eGroups.com>


sometimes the sign is there - if I go straight to the scrunchy, but 
even when I get rid of the sign, nothing different happens when 
peeves eventually turns up. My vase keeps going the normal way so no 
keys.  Am I just being too impatient/
Sarah xx






From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 16:07:40 2004
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:07:40 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] getting frustrated now
References: <cm8aqo+gou4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01b601c4c0f6$16ac60a0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sarah 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:58 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] getting frustrated now



  sometimes the sign is there - if I go straight to the scrunchy, but 
  even when I get rid of the sign, nothing different happens when 
  peeves eventually turns up. My vase keeps going the normal way so no 
  keys.  Am I just being too impatient/
  Sarah xx

  Jenny asks:
  When Peeves comes, does your vase actually fall over?
  That is when the keys swirl up out of the vase.






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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 16:16:47 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:16:47 -0000
Subject: getting frustrated now
In-Reply-To: <01b601c4c0f6$16ac60a0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <cm8btf+d4j1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bamajenny12" 
<BamaJenny12 at y...> wrote:
> 
>   
> 
>   Jenny asks:
>   When Peeves comes, does your vase actually fall over?
>   That is when the keys swirl up out of the vase.

Yes, but it falls to the left, as usual, not to the right as shown on 
Potters Keys.  I've been there about 6 times now, and its done it 
every time (and Peeves is taking 15 minutes to get there sometimes).
Am going off-line now and will try again later.
Sarah 






From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Nov  2 17:08:16 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:08:16 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: Food
Message-ID: <9d.51bb7269.2eb91900@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2004 4:09:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com writes:
Especially treacle tart. Treacle (if you  don't know it)  is a cross between 
molasses and maple syrup in sweetness and consistency and is produced
in sugar cane refining. During baking the layer of treacle solidifies and
caramelises (just a bit). It's for those with a real sweet tooth. Splendid hot
with ice cream.

Kneasy
*****************************************************************

Chancie:
Just a question, but would this be like the carmel-type filling in a Pecan 
Pie?
I don't know if they have them in Brittan, but that's what it kinda sounds
like to me.  
Chancie~who's going to have to re-read the books AGAIN now that she know's 
what she's reading.


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From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Nov  2 17:22:35 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:22:35 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How do you open the drawer?
Message-ID: <a3.668d3fc1.2eb91c5b@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2004 6:41:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
finwitch at yahoo.com writes:
I've tried it several times, and only just got it work. I suppose you 
must *drag* it open, not just click it. (You don't open real drawers 
by touching them, do you?) First time I succeeded, the door was the 
first thing I did - don't know if NOT visiting other links first had 
anything to do with it, though...

Finwitch
*******************************************************
Chancie:
You do have to click on the handle and drag.  I have AOL, and I tried 
to get the drawer open all day on Halloween.  I then saw some one
posting that it was their browser. So I opened up explorer, and it
perfectly!  This also happend when I was trying to type in numbers 
on the cell phone, and couldn't get it to work, even when I knew I
did it right.  So you may need to try another browser.  But you'll also 
have to find the key all over again.

Chancie~who had to open the door 10  times (no exageration) 
before finally getting the site to work.


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 17:27:22 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:27:22 EST
Subject: treacle tarts - Kneasy
Message-ID: <97.5167690c.2eb91d7a@aol.com>

"Especially treacle tart. Treacle (if you  don't know it)  is a cross between 

molasses and maple syrup in sweetness and consistency and is produced
in sugar cane refining. During baking the layer of treacle solidifies and
caramelises (just a bit). It's for those with a real sweet tooth. Splendid 
hot
with ice cream."


Kneasy,
My mouth is watering!  Sounds rich though, like you might only need a bite or 
two to satisfy your need for something sweet.  :)

"Luna"



"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Nov  2 17:30:49 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:30:49 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] getting frustrated now
Message-ID: <ee.5545991.2eb91e49@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:02:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
plungy116 at aol.com writes:

sometimes the sign is there - if I go straight to the scrunchy, but 
even when I get rid of the sign, nothing different happens when 
peeves eventually turns up. My vase keeps going the normal way so no 
keys.  Am I just being too impatient/
Sarah xx
******************************************************************
Chancie:
NO, your not just being impatient!  It's the AOL browser!  The same 
happend to me, if you have explorer( you probably have it if you have
windows) use it and the site works.  I tried over and over again on
Halloween to make it work, but after I got through the door the 
drawer wouldn't open.  Try another browser if you have one, and 
you'll be glad you did! (fyi- you can use the browser with aol, just 
minimise it and search under the start menu-again for windows)
Hope that helps!
Chancie~who know's how fustrating it can be when your computer
 is retarded!!!


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 17:29:06 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:29:06 EST
Subject: treacle tarts - Kneasy
Message-ID: <1db.2dfce284.2eb91de2@aol.com>

"Especially treacle tart. Treacle (if you  don't know it)  is a cross between 

molasses and maple syrup in sweetness and consistency and is produced
in sugar cane refining. During baking the layer of treacle solidifies and
caramelises (just a bit). It's for those with a real sweet tooth. Splendid 
hot
with ice cream."


Kneasy,
My mouth is watering!  Sounds rich though, like you might only need a bite or 
two to satisfy your need for something sweet.  :)

"Luna"



"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 17:32:37 2004
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:32:37 -0000
Subject: Tea stain and the door
Message-ID: <cm8gbl+sbgm@eGroups.com>


I was involved in a thread recently about the tea stains on JKR's 
site.  It turned into an interesting thread about coffee consumption 
by teens and young adults.  I'm bringing up the tea stains again 
because when I finally found the right key and then opened the 
drawer, guess what was on the notepad?...yep...the very same tea 
stain as appears all over the site!  Now, I don't want to belabor the 
subject, but is this really a coincidence?  Surely JKR isn't that 
sloppy with her tea!?
Cyndi






From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Nov  2 17:33:35 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:33:35 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: getting frustrated now
Message-ID: <1fa.c7c9c7.2eb91eef@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:23:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
plungy116 at aol.com writes:

Yes, but it falls to the left, as usual, not to the right as shown on 
Potters Keys.  I've been there about 6 times now, and its done it 
every time (and Peeves is taking 15 minutes to get there sometimes).
Am going off-line now and will try again later.
Sarah 
**************************************************
Chancie:
Also, it won't take that long if you don't click around on your window.
Peeves has to think your not there anymore!  What I usually do, is just
Open the site, then minimise it and go play a game or read email, and 
you can hear peeves come through.  It doesn't take half as long that way!
Chancie


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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Tue Nov  2 19:03:19 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:03:19 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <9d.51bb7269.2eb91900@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cm8lln+v37h@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/2/2004 4:09:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> arrowsmithbt at b... writes:
> Especially treacle tart. Treacle (if you  don't know it)  is a cross between 
> molasses and maple syrup in sweetness and consistency and is produced
> in sugar cane refining. During baking the layer of treacle solidifies and
> caramelises (just a bit). It's for those with a real sweet tooth. Splendid hot
> with ice cream.
> 
> Kneasy
> *****************************************************************
> 
> Chancie:
> Just a question, but would this be like the carmel-type filling in a Pecan 
> Pie?
> I don't know if they have them in Brittan, but that's what it kinda sounds
> like to me.  
> Chancie~who's going to have to re-read the books AGAIN now that she know's 
> what she's reading.


Kneasy:
For your delectation below is a recipe for treacle tart.
Personally, I use less of the breadcrumbs -  it's only for a bit of binding. 
Golden Syrup is a proprietary brand of treacle.  

50g (2oz) fresh white breadcrumbs 
140g (5oz) rich short crust pastry 
6 tbsp Golden Syrup 
1 lemon (zest only) 
1 tsp lemon juice

Preheat oven to 200?C; 400?F: Gas 6. 
Put the syrup into a saucepan with the breadcrumbs, lemon rind and juice and heat gently 
until just melted. 
Allow the mixture to cool. 
Roll out the dough and line an 8 inch baking dish. 
Pour in the syrup mixture. 
Roll out the dough trimmings and cut into long, narrow strips. 
Arrange them in a lattice pattern over the filling. 
Bake for 25 to 30 min or until the pastry is slightly browned. 
Serve hot or cold. 
Serves 4
(or 1 if they're hungry)








From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 20:03:25 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:03:25 -0000
Subject: getting frustrated now
In-Reply-To: <ee.5545991.2eb91e49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cm8p6d+dqbp@eGroups.com>



> Chancie:
> NO, your not just being impatient!  It's the AOL browser!  

well you'll be pleased to know, that after taking up your suggestion 
of trying explorer I finally got in!!!  Hurrah - and well worth the 
wait I say
Thanknyou for your help
Sarah xxx
PS I Love Treacle tart






From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Nov  2 20:27:26 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:27:26 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: getting frustrated now
Message-ID: <c0.1a9396f3.2eb947ae@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2004 12:08:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
plungy116 at aol.com writes:


> Chancie:
> NO, your not just being impatient!  It's the AOL browser!  

well you'll be pleased to know, that after taking up your suggestion 
of trying explorer I finally got in!!!  Hurrah - and well worth the 
wait I say
Thanknyou for your help
Sarah xxx
PS I Love Treacle tart
**********************************************************
Glad to hear you made it!  I like AOL, but sometimes it can be much
more trouble than it's worth!  I've had so many problems with it
trying to get on JKR's site!  Have you been able to get the scrap book
drawings?  
Chancie


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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 20:41:03 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:41:03 -0000
Subject: I've finally opened the door!!!!
In-Reply-To: <c0.1a9396f3.2eb947ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cm8rcv+b6t9@eGroups.com>



> Glad to hear you made it!  I like AOL, but sometimes it can be much
> more trouble than it's worth!  I've had so many problems with it
> trying to get on JKR's site!  Have you been able to get the scrap 
book
> drawings?  
> Chancie

I haven't had a problem before, and I've got all the scrap book items 
(as far as I know).  Somtimes it just plays up and kicks me off for 
no particular reason, but this is the first time I've had a problem 
with JKR site.  I was so worried I'd actually missed the door opening 
because the sign was still on the door for me.
Anyway I'm not going to stress about it, thebenefit of as much 
connection time as I want( and believe me, with a teenage son and a 
husband we use the internet an awful lot) outweighs the minor 
glitches.
Thanks for your help again
Sarah xx






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 23:48:42 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:48:42 -0000
Subject: Hey folks, someone besides me post some Halloween pix!
Message-ID: <cm96cq+4j6a@eGroups.com>


Unless you're just waiting for them to be developed... >:0)

A.






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 01:39:41 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:39:41 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm737o+v6ia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm9cst+lmgm@eGroups.com>


> Now loony:
> HereI come with the latin... I knew Felix= Lucky, fortunate, but I 
> was completely stumped on felictis, so I asked my latin teacher and 
> it means...lucky, fortunate.  So it's lucky lucky or Lucky (felix = 
> nominative singular) felictis = either of lucky or luckies (direct 
> object) Filectis is either Genitive singular or accusitive plural.  
> I'm still not absolutely sure about which translation is correct, 
> felictis could also be a variation on feliciter, luckily, but both 
> words definately have luck involved with them.  I am somehow 
> reminded of dear old Ludo.
> Hope this helps,
> ~~loony, happy to be the first on the latin for once


Carol:
I was also thinking nominative singular (felix) and genitive singular
(felicis), no "t." That's how Latin adjectives are glossed (see the
second post in this thread). So it would mean "happy of happy" or
"fortunate of fortunate." I hadn't thought about it being a spell (a
longer lasting cheering charm)? I can't really see it being the
subject of a chapter if it's a spell. I do think it's the lionlike
man, with a "Felix the Cat"-style pun (felix=happy, felis=cat, as the
originators of the old cartoon obviously knew). It strikes me as
fitting JKR's love of pun and dry sense of humor. Although chapter 14
seems late, he could be the DADA instructor. He could also be the HPB
though the name seems to fit the alliterative pattern for a pureblood,
as does the Latin first name. But then, there's Remus Lupin, whom
we're told is a halfblood, so FF could be as well.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 01:52:22 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:52:22 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm737o+v6ia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm9dkm+dlr4@eGroups.com>


Yb's musings (all hyper from hot chocolate and Jo's revelation):
<snip> I'm more 
interested in "Spinners End" (a place, I'll bet mnoney on it!!) 
and "Draco's Detour." Oooh, I'm all a-quiver, won't be long now, 
chapter titles are usually the last things written, aren't they?
> 
Dudemom_2000:
<snip> If you look at the 
first three books Harry starts Hogwarts right around Chapter 6 so 
possibly Draco is not on the train but comes later and we find out 
why. I figure Spinners End is where Harry goes to right from the 
> > Dursleys. <snip>

Carol:
Chapter titles are not necessarily the last thing written. They could
have been the first if JKR outlines her chapters that way, and these
chapters are all from the first half, probably the first third, of the
book. I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet.

I agree that Spinners End is a street ("End" = cul de sac, as in Bag
End, right?), probably a street with shops where spinners (women with
distaffs or spinning wheels?) sold their thread in earlier times. Or
maybe thread is still spun there by some magical means. It could be
the street where the new Order headquarters are hidden, which fits
with your observation that it's where Harry goes when he leaves the
Dursleys in chapter 2.

As for Draco's detour, is he visiting Daddy in Azkaban?

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 02:23:05 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 02:23:05 -0000
Subject: Tea stain and the door
In-Reply-To: <cm8gbl+sbgm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm9fe9+v7qo@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "thekrenz" <thekrenz at y...> wrote:
> 
> I was involved in a thread recently about the tea stains on JKR's 
> site.  It turned into an interesting thread about coffee consumption 
> by teens and young adults.  I'm bringing up the tea stains again 
> because when I finally found the right key and then opened the 
> drawer, guess what was on the notepad?...yep...the very same tea 
> stain as appears all over the site!  Now, I don't want to belabor the 
> subject, but is this really a coincidence?  Surely JKR isn't that 
> sloppy with her tea!?
> Cyndi


Carol:
I don't think the rings and circles left by the teacups are
significant (they look just like mine from drinking coffee), but the
green tea residue in the cup on her desk (the portkey to Extra Stuff)
might be a clue. After all, it's the residue that a Seer reads (after
it's been properly drained and swirled). It looks like a crescent
moon, IIRC, but I don't want to leave the page with the open door and
go back to the main page to check it or I'll have to wait for Peeves
and catch all those keys again! The tea-leaf moon could be a hint that
Lupin is going to die (remember, he didn't want Trelawney to check his
fortune in the crystal ball in PoA?), but since he's associated with a
full rather than a crescent moon, I think the tea leaves are, well,
just tea leaves!

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 02:31:03 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 02:31:03 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cm8lln+v37h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm9ft7+8ann@eGroups.com>


> Kneasy:
> For your delectation below is a recipe for treacle tart.
> Personally, I use less of the breadcrumbs -  it's only for a bit of
binding. 
> Golden Syrup is a proprietary brand of treacle.  
> 
> 50g (2oz) fresh white breadcrumbs 
> 140g (5oz) rich short crust pastry 
> 6 tbsp Golden Syrup 
> 1 lemon (zest only) 
> 1 tsp lemon juice
> 
> Preheat oven to 200?C; 400?F: Gas 6. 
> Put the syrup into a saucepan with the breadcrumbs, lemon rind and
juice and heat gently 
> until just melted. 
> Allow the mixture to cool. 
> Roll out the dough and line an 8 inch baking dish. 
> Pour in the syrup mixture. 
> Roll out the dough trimmings and cut into long, narrow strips. 
> Arrange them in a lattice pattern over the filling. 
> Bake for 25 to 30 min or until the pastry is slightly browned. 
> Serve hot or cold. 
> Serves 4
> (or 1 if they're hungry)

Carol:
Sounds delicious, Kneasy! But what does "zest only" mean? And is "Gas
6" the setting for 400 degrees on a gas oven? All the gas ovens I've
ever used (in the U.S.) have the same temperature settings as electric
ones.

To answer a question of yours upthread, we do have jam here, probably
identical to yours, differing from jelly by having seeds and/or pieces
of fruit in it. And of course, traffic jams, which no doubt are
figuratively connected to the strawberry and peach kinds, but much
less pleasant.

Carol, wondering if dark corn syrup would work in place of treacle






From penmouse756 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 03:40:03 2004
From: penmouse756 at yahoo.com (penmouse756)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 03:40:03 -0000
Subject: Halloween photos
Message-ID: <cm9juj+bq6a@eGroups.com>


Hi, 
I added some of my Halloween photos into the file. I set up scenes 
from POA outside in front of my house. I have to say my Dementor was 
a big hit. All the kids wanted to know if there was someone inside. 
I had a lot of fun fixing this all up. Unfortunately, it rained and 
kind of ruined everything. Oh well, that's the way Halloween goes in 
Canada - ya never know what the weather will be!
Cheers!
Sevfan






From Erthena at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 03:43:03 2004
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 03:43:03 -0000
Subject: Hey folks, someone besides me post some Halloween pix!
In-Reply-To: <cm96cq+4j6a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm9k47+428j@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> 
> Unless you're just waiting for them to be developed... >:0)
> 
> A.
loony:
your wish is my command.  I posted me as insane fangirl.  Quite a 
stretch, but I decided to stay away from the uniform (I'm in year 13 
of 13 of uniforms and can't wear one on a weekend on principle).  The 
worst part is that the person taking the picture for me didn't use 
the flash so thepic turned out too blurry.  I was able to take pics 
of all the cool details and they are in the pic I posted too.
~~loony






From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Wed Nov  3 04:53:02 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:53:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm9dkm+dlr4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4c161$008aa050$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

Yb's musings (all hyper from hot chocolate and Jo's revelation):
<snip> I'm more 
interested in "Spinners End" (a place, I'll bet mnoney on it!!) 
and "Draco's Detour." Oooh, I'm all a-quiver, won't be long now, 
chapter titles are usually the last things written, aren't they?
> 
Dudemom_2000:
<snip> If you look at the 
first three books Harry starts Hogwarts right around Chapter 6 so 
possibly Draco is not on the train but comes later and we find out 
why. I figure Spinners End is where Harry goes to right from the 
> > Dursleys. <snip>

Carol wrote:
Chapter titles are not necessarily the last thing written. They could
have been the first if JKR outlines her chapters that way, and these
chapters are all from the first half, probably the first third, of the
book. I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet.

I agree that Spinners End is a street ("End" = cul de sac, as in Bag
End, right?), probably a street with shops where spinners (women with
distaffs or spinning wheels?) sold their thread in earlier times. Or
maybe thread is still spun there by some magical means. It could be
the street where the new Order headquarters are hidden, which fits
with your observation that it's where Harry goes when he leaves the
Dursleys in chapter 2.

As for Draco's detour, is he visiting Daddy in Azkaban?

Yb again:

Well, I was figuring that Jo would have the plot down, and probably the
chapter written, before she 

used that dry humor of hers to come up with chapter titles. I am now
leaning toward "Felix" being 

a person; I was completely open to thoughts on that, and "lucky of the
lucky" (the luckiest guy 

in the world?) kinda makes sense.

 

But again, "Daco's Detour" is the most interesting in my eyes. See, the
HP series is written in 

third-person limited point-of-view. For those of you who don't know what
I'm talking about, it means 

that the narrator is not in the story; he/she is an objective viewer of
all events. But, the narrator is 

limited to what Harry can see/hear/experience. There are very few times
where we depart from this 

line of writing, and all of them occur during PS/SS.

 

So unless we get a major change in the Point-of-View (third person
limited to Draco), it means 

that Harry will be along on "Draco's Detour," because that's the only
way we'll find out what happens 

on said "Detour." So we have 3 possible scenarios (if in fact "D's D" is
referring to Draco going 

somewhere, or even having a change of heart, going to the good side):

 

1)       Draco goes somewhere and takes Harry along.Hmmm, H and D
getting some quality time in.

2)       Draco tells Harry about this "Detour" of his.

3)       Harry is eavesdropping on Draco, and hears something, like
Draco's plans/recount of breaking

Lucius out of prison.

 

I'm leaning toward number three. I don't see Draco spending any amount
of time with Harry and divulging

anything important any more than I see Lucius seeing the light and
becoming a warrior for the good side.

 

Any thoughts?

 

~Yb

 



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From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 06:39:36 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:39:36 -0000
Subject: Rowling endorses candidate - very funny
In-Reply-To: <cm7qh1+6g3m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm9uf8+5um5@eGroups.com>


This post of davewitley was so clever I just wanted to make sure it 
didn't sink into oblivion unappreciated.  I almost skipped it 
because of the subject line... but how can you not love a good 
Quibbler article?
-Andromeda


"davewitley" wrote:
  
> Rowling Endorses Candidate
> 
> In a shock move six months ago the noted author JK Rowling 
> intervened in the election for the post of Minister for Magic.  
>When she was asked "Will Arthur Weasley be the new Minister for 
Magic?" she replied "Alas, no".
> 
> An outraged Fred Weasley, speaking for the Weasley campaign, hit 
> back: "If she thinks she can just write us out of the plot like 
> that, she's got another think coming.  Weasley is our king!"  A 
> spokesperson for S.P.E.W., which has received encouragement from 
the 
> Weasley campaign in the past, said in a high-pitched voice: "She 
> can't say that, she just can't!  It goes against all laws of 
> authorial self-insertion!"
> 
> Mr Draco Malfoy, associated with the Malfoy campaign, added "She 
> should stay out of politics and get on with writing the books.  
> After five years, I still have no personality whatsoever, and I'm 
> beginning to wonder if I ever will, and my friends Crabbe and 
Goyle 
> have been completely deprived of their freedom of speech all that 
> time."
> 
> Many observers, however, see in her words tacit support for 
> the 'anybody but Fudge' movement, which has also taken heart from 
> the recent victory by the Chudley Cannons (see 'Orange Sox 
> Lift "Curse of the Bagman"', p94).  Draco's father, Lucius Malfoy, 
> added: "Fudge has kept prisoners at an offshore location beyond 
> judicial scrutiny for too long.  It's time for a change."  An 
> associate, who did not wish to be named, added "Enough, Lucius, my 
> slippery friend.  I have a plan for the wizarding world that will 
> soon be making its mark".  Pressed for details, however, he merely 
> gave a cold high laugh and disapparated in a flash of green light.
> 
> In a further 'October Surprise' move widely seen as aimed at 
> unsettling the wizarding electorate, Ms Rowling broke a long 
period 
> of silence to assert on her website that 'some of us may bore 
you', 
> and further confused voters by wishing Molly Weasley a happy 
> birthday.  This was seen by analysts as the clearest indication 
yet 
> that Ms Rowling ? often referred to by her initials JKR and 
thought 
> to be the leader of a worldwide shadowy group known as 'The 
Fandom' ?
>  accepts responsibility for the state of the wizarding world.
> 
> Some observers were able to remain calm.  One bystander 
courteously 
> twinkled: "Ms Rowling is entitled to her views.  I'm sure she 
meant 
> well when she killed, obliviated, fired, kidnapped and drove to 
> insanity my Defence Against the Dark Arts staff."
> 
> Nonetheless, many analysts regard JKR as something of a loose 
> cannon, recalling the ruthless way she killed off the Black 
> campaign, and would rather draw a veil over the whole matter.
> 
> The Quibbler






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Wed Nov  3 10:53:58 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:53:58 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cm9ft7+8ann@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmadc6+6ig0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Kneasy:
> > For your delectation below is a recipe for treacle tart.
> > Personally, I use less of the breadcrumbs -  it's only for a bit of
> binding. 
> > Golden Syrup is a proprietary brand of treacle.  
> > 
> > 50g (2oz) fresh white breadcrumbs 
> > 140g (5oz) rich short crust pastry 
> > 6 tbsp Golden Syrup 
> > 1 lemon (zest only) 
> > 1 tsp lemon juice
> > 
> > Preheat oven to 200?C; 400?F: Gas 6. 
> > Put the syrup into a saucepan with the breadcrumbs, lemon rind and
> juice and heat gently 
> > until just melted. 
> > Allow the mixture to cool. 
> > Roll out the dough and line an 8 inch baking dish. 
> > Pour in the syrup mixture. 
> > Roll out the dough trimmings and cut into long, narrow strips. 
> > Arrange them in a lattice pattern over the filling. 
> > Bake for 25 to 30 min or until the pastry is slightly browned. 
> > Serve hot or cold. 
> > Serves 4
> > (or 1 if they're hungry)
> 
> Carol:
> Sounds delicious, Kneasy! But what does "zest only" mean? And is "Gas
> 6" the setting for 400 degrees on a gas oven? All the gas ovens I've
> ever used (in the U.S.) have the same temperature settings as electric
> ones.
> 
> Carol, wondering if dark corn syrup would work in place of treacle


'Zest' is the outermost skin of a lemon, shaved off (usually with a grater).
It's important not to go too deep - the white pith is bitter.

Temperatures - all those shown should give the same temperature (in the
UK different oven manufacturers indicate temperature settings in different
ways) so 400 F in an electric oven should be the same -  unless it's one of
the fan assisted type - in which case you'll need a slightly lower temp. and
a shorter baking time.

Don't know about the corn syrup, it's not something we use much over
here. Worth experimenting, I'd think. But it does need to be fairly viscous.
The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to measure accurately;
half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most add another spoon or two just
to make sure.

That's what I like about cooking, within limits you can do what you like.

Kneasy







From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Nov  3 12:47:48 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:47:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Nora, Operas, Yale and more ....
In-Reply-To: <cl9stf+2nfh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEFODFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hi Y'all, :-)

I've been out of circulation for a bit...lack of energy, just lack of
motivation, or something, plus throw in some summer activities and such.
But, here I is...<Lee waves!>

Caius Marcius wrote:
| We may not yet have Harry Potter the Opera, but we do have Harry
| Potter the Opretta(s) - Gilbert & Sullivan's HMS Pinafore has been
| rendered as HMS Dumbledore:
|
| http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/hmsdumbledore.htm
|
Oh--too funny!  HMS has been one of the most adapted operettas I know of,
probably because it's so singable.

I'm still looking for the lyrics to "HMS Trek-a-Star"; talk about a hoot!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Nov  3 13:05:54 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:05:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] link to a fan fic
In-Reply-To: <00b201c4b97f$cb72f3b0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEFPDFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hi there, :-)

Would it be possible for your friend to send me the "Owl Eyes" story? I hate
muddling through web pages to read a fic!

Hope you're doing well.  I've just been feeling a large lack of motivation
and been involved with other--uh--stuff over the last couple of months.

Take care, and hope to hear from you soon.

Peace,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Wed Nov  3 14:05:10 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:05:10 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: Food
Message-ID: <c4.19898cf9.2eba3f96@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2004 6:31:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
justcarol67 at yahoo.com writes:
Carol:
Sounds delicious, Kneasy! But what does "zest only" mean? 
************************************************************

Chancie:
I'm not Kneasy of course, but I can answer your question.  Zest is the
yellow color on the lemon ( the same it true for orange, lime ext...) and
is a gives off a very intence flavor.  Almost like the natural version of 
extracts.  If you've ever cut open a lemon (orange...) you will see
that the color is only in a thin layer on the very out side.  They have 
a special tool to get the zest off a fruit, but if you take a seraded knife
and carefully scrape the blade on the fruit you can remove the zest.
But when doing this in any form you MUST be careful not to remove 
so much zest that you also remove the white (pith)!  It is bitter, and 
will not give you as good of a result.  

Chancie~who  after her post now agrees with her husband 
that she watches WAY too much Food network!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 18:40:33 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:40:33 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <000001c4c161$008aa050$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cmb8n2+cmkc@eGroups.com>


Yb wrote:
<snip>
> But again, "Daco's Detour" is the most interesting in my eyes. See,
the HP series is written in third-person limited point-of-view. For
those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, it means that the
narrator is not in the story; he/she is an objective viewer of all
events. But, the narrator is limited to what Harry can
see/hear/experience. There are very few times where we depart from
this line of writing, and all of them occur during PS/SS.

Carol responds:
Yes, I know. I've posted about half a dozen times regarding the
limited omniscient narrator on the main list, mostly in response to
people who persist in calling Harry the narrator. A technicality,
maybe, but it's important to our understanding of the series. And
there *are* other instances when JKR departs from Harry's (for example
In GoF when the narrator reports that, unknown to Harry, Neville is
also lying awake). And I wouldn't call this narrator "objective" since
his/her observations are usually colored by Harry's. The key word is
"limited." Such narrators are unreliable because they are limited by
what the POV character experiences, knows, and believes. If the POV
character is misinformed, so is the reader. (JKR cleverly uses the
mind link with Voldemort to escape the limitations of this POV, and of
course she can't use Harry's POV in SS/PS chapter one or the scene
where Hermione sets Snape's robes on fire.)
> 

Yb wrote: 
> So unless we get a major change in the Point-of-View (third person
> limited to Draco), it means that Harry will be along on "Draco's
Detour," because that's the only way we'll find out what happens  on
said "Detour." So we have 3 possible scenarios (if in fact "D's D" is
> referring to Draco going somewhere, or even having a change of
heart, going to the good side):
 
> 1)       Draco goes somewhere and takes Harry along.Hmmm, H and D
> getting some quality time in.
> 
> 2)       Draco tells Harry about this "Detour" of his.
> 
> 3)       Harry is eavesdropping on Draco, and hears something, like
> Draco's plans/recount of breaking 
> Lucius out of prison.
 
> I'm leaning toward number three. I don't see Draco spending any
amount of time with Harry and divulging anything important any more
than I see Lucius seeing the light and becoming a warrior for the good
side.
 
> Any thoughts?

Carol responds:
Interestingly, it appears that at one point JKR considered having some
scenes told from Draco's POV. (The narrative technique would have been
the same but with one rather than two possible viewpoints.) Note the
deleted lines in the draft chapter in the scrapbook on her site and
the discussion of Theo Nott in, IIRC, the Extra Stuff section. The
conversation between Draco and Theo could not have been done from
Harry's POV and must have been (reluctantly?) discarded once she
decided to limit us to Harry's POV most of the time. It would appear,
too, that Draco was once a more important character than he is now--or
at least, had more "page time," so to speak.

About "Draco's Detour": You're absolutely right. Either she'll have to
switch to Draco as POV character, which would be hard to do at this
point since she has established Harry as the primary, and *almost*
exclusive POV character, OR Harry will have to go along with Draco on
the detour, which seems equally unlikely, OR Harry will have to hear
about it either directly from Draco (very unlikely) or by overhearing
his story. My theory of the moment is that he follows Draco, wearing
his invisibility cloak, and overhears him telling Crabbe and Goyle
what he's been up to--much like young Severus following MWPP, except
that Severus didn't have an invisibility cloak. Imagine Harry
following them into the Slytherin common room and then being trapped
inside because he can't open the door while any Slytherins are
present! Maybe we'll learn more about Theo Nott and Blaise Zabini in
this scene as well.

Carol, also voting for option three






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 18:48:53 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:48:53 -0000
Subject: Rowling endorses candidate - very funny
In-Reply-To: <cm9uf8+5um5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmb96l+u0f@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lavaluvn" <lavaluvn at y...> wrote:
> 
> This post of davewitley was so clever I just wanted to make sure it 
> didn't sink into oblivion unappreciated.  I almost skipped it 
> because of the subject line... but how can you not love a good 
> Quibbler article?
> -Andromeda
> 
Carol responds:
Maybe Dave will be kind enough to add it to the Files? It appears that
we can do that here without requesting the help of a List Elf as on HPfGU.

Which reminds me: What's the procedure for nominating an HPfGU post
for the Recommended Posts section? Or is this the wrong forum for that
question?

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 19:07:22 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:07:22 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food --and Carol's light fruitcake
In-Reply-To: <cmadc6+6ig0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmba9a+b63u@eGroups.com>


Kneasy responding to Carol's questions:
> 'Zest' is the outermost skin of a lemon, shaved off (usually with a
grater). It's important not to go too deep - the white pith is bitter.
> <snip>
> 
> Don't know about the corn syrup, it's not something we use much over
> here. Worth experimenting, I'd think. But it does need to be fairly
viscous. The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to
measure accurately;
> half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most add another spoon or two
just to make sure.
> 
> That's what I like about cooking, within limits you can do what you
like.

Carol:
Yes, unlike potions! I always adapt the pumpkin pie recipe on the
Libby's pumpkin can to the spices I have on hand. Works beautifully.
My brother-in-law would eat a whole pie if my sister would let him!

As for corn syrup, I just realized that it's made from what the
British call maize and *would* be hard to find in England. In fact,
I'd bet that a lot of Americans don't know about it. Maybe molasses
mixed with maple syrup, which is easy to find, would work for treacle
tarts.

Here's an American recipe, adapted by me from my mother's version, for
anyone who likes *homemade* light fruitcake (*not* the horrible stuff
you buy in a store or through a catalogue). It takes hours to make but
it's worth it:

Light Fruitcake

Cream together
    1 1/4 cups shortening
    2 3/4 cups powdered sugar

Add, one at a time, 7 egg yolks. Beat until
well blended.

Sift together
    2 3/4 cups sifted flour
    2 tsp. baking powder
    1 1/2 tsp. salt
    1/4 tsp. cinnamon
 
Add alternately with sifted dry ingredients
    1 cup apple juice (or cider)

Fold in
    7 stiffly beaten egg whites
     1 tbsp. rum extract

In additional 3/4 cup flour, dredge
    1/2 pound mixed candied fruit
    1 pound whole candied cherries (red and green)
    1/2 pound colored candied pineapple cubes
    l pound golden raisins
    l pound walnut halves

Fold fruit and nuts into cake batter.

Fill 3 greased and brown-paper lined loaf pans about
2/3 full. (Parchment paper can be used in place of brown paper.)

Bake at 250 degrees for 2 3/4 hours 

Note: Place pan containing 2 cups water on lower shelf
during baking to prevent cakes from getting too dry.

Cool. Wrap cakes in cheesecloth soaked in apple juice
(or cider) and wrap again in aluminum foil. Store in
refrigerator until ready to eat.


I usually bake the cakes around Thanksgiving (last Thursday in
November) and send them out as early Christmas presents a week or two
later. Rumaholics could try substituting rum for all or part of the
cider--don't know whether that would work or not.

Carol, interested in knowing whether this recipe is anything like
British Christmas recipes










From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 19:38:10 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:38:10 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <c4.19898cf9.2eba3f96@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmbc32+r2nd@eGroups.com>


> Carol:
> Sounds delicious, Kneasy! But what does "zest only" mean? 
 
> Chancie:
> I'm not Kneasy of course, but I can answer your question.  Zest is
the yellow color on the lemon ( the same it true for orange, lime
ext...) and is a gives off a very intence flavor.  Almost like the
natural version of extracts.  If you've ever cut open a lemon
(orange...) you will see that the color is only in a thin layer on the
very out side.  They have a special tool to get the zest off a fruit,
but if you take a seraded knife and carefully scrape the blade on the
fruit you can remove the zest.
> But when doing this in any form you MUST be careful not to remove 
> so much zest that you also remove the white (pith)!  It is bitter,
and will not give you as good of a result.  
> 

Carol:
I have a grater that would work, but, being lazy, I'd probably just
use lemon peel from the bottled herbs and spices section of the
grocery store, possibly supplemented with (liquid) lemon extract.

Carol, who hates to peel oranges because the white stuff gets under
your fingernails






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 20:42:25 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:42:25 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food - Lyle's Golden Syrup & Tracle w/ LINKS
In-Reply-To: <cmadc6+6ig0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmbfrh+1odu@eGroups.com>


Lyle's Golden Syrup (a very popular brand) is available in the US and
Canada. A search of Google will yield many source including -

Amazon.com - Gourmet Foods
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001590BY/sr=1-3/qid=1099513315/ref=sr_1_3/104-7238960-7916703?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=3580501&s=gourmet-food&v=glance
$3.99

Also-

British Goods -  Freeport, Maine USA
http://www.britishgoods.com/Cooking.htm
Item 5 & 6 in the right hand column
$3.69

Ethnic Grocers - Illinois
http://www.ethnicgrocer.com/eg/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=EthnicGrocer&product%5Fid=074890000013&AID=9468065&PID=1022380&cookie%5Ftest=1
$6.69


Earlier in this thread I posted links that will lead you to sources of
British food in the USA and Canada. but here is a more direct link.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/14733

Most important is the link to-

http://www.britsinthestates.com/Food.htm

This is an on-line directory of all the British food sources in the US.

This list link is in two section this is the link to 'Food A-D'. You
will find another link at the top for 'Food E-Z' and at the bottom you
will find a link to a Brit Webring.

Don't forget, it you have a grocery store in town that has gourmet
foord, they might have golden syrup on the shelf.

Just trying to help.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Wed Nov  3 19:58:51 2004
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:58:51 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food --and Carol's light fruitcake
In-Reply-To: <cmba9a+b63u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmbd9r+u409@eGroups.com>



> 
> Kneasy responding to Carol's questions:
> > <snip>
> > 
> > Don't know about the corn syrup, it's not something we use much over
> > here. Worth experimenting, I'd think. But it does need to be fairly
> viscous. The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to
> measure accurately;
> > half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most add another spoon or two
> just to make sure.
> > 
> > That's what I like about cooking, within limits you can do what you
> like.
> 
> Carol:
<snip>> 
> As for corn syrup, I just realized that it's made from what the
> British call maize and *would* be hard to find in England. In fact,
> I'd bet that a lot of Americans don't know about it. Maybe molasses
> mixed with maple syrup, which is easy to find, would work for treacle
> tarts.
> 
<snip>

kjirstem:

One of the definitions in my dictionary for treacle *is* golden syrup
- which it claims is a mixture of molasses and corn syrup.  I think
molasses and maple syrup would be yummier though.  Also, I'm *sure*
I've seen golden syrup in my local supermarket.  Haven't ever noticed
bottled lemon zest though ... 









From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed Nov  3 22:23:55 2004
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:23:55 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmadc6+6ig0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmblpr+ht6k@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:

>The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to 
measure accurately; half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most 
add another spoon or two just to make sure.
> 
> That's what I like about cooking, within limits you can do what 
you like.<

Grease the spoon with cooking oil and the syrup won't stick.

Pippin









From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 23:04:51 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:04:51 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food - Lyle's Golden Syrup-You Make It.
In-Reply-To: <cmbfrh+1odu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmbo6j+iu2d@eGroups.com>





--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
>
> Lyle's Golden Syrup (a very popular brand) is available in the US and
> Canada. A search of Google will yield many source...
>
> Don't forget, it you have a grocery store in town that has gourmet
> food, they might have golden syrup on the shelf.
>
> Just trying to help.
>
> Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)

bboyminn:

Stumbled across a couple more links about Golden Syrup.

One Substitute-
http://www.ochef.com/476.htm

"Your treacle tarts are unlikely to taste as good as you remember
without the use of honest-to-goodness golden syrup, but if you must,
you can try substituting it with 2 parts light corn syrup and 1 part
molasses or equal parts of honey and light corn syrup."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Molasses you buy in the US has a very powerful taste. 2 to 1 shown
above seems a little strong to me. I think I would try 3 to 1; three
parts corn syrup plus one part molasses.

Also, I've been lead to believe from my reading that Golden Syrup
isn't just extremely weak molasses. There were hints in what I read
that it had a bit of a carmel flavor. Can anyone who has tasted it
confirm that? So perhaps, a 3 to 1, or 4 to 1 ratio with just a hint
of carmel flavoring added might hit the spot.

See for description-
WHAT IS GOLDEN SYRUP?
http://www.whattocook.com/tips/goldensyrup.html
with link to US make (Buckner, Kentucky) King's Golden Syrup.

>From my web research, Lyle's comes in light and dark (golden and
tracle), the dark is still extremely light in color when compared to
most syrups found in the USA. In the USA, molasses is so dark that it
would be next to impossible to get light to penetrate it; it's Black.

In addition, if you have a store that sells home beer brewing supplies
in your community, they may have Golden Syrup. It's frequenlty used to
increase the alcohol content in beer, and in making Belgian and
English style ales.

Side note: ever notice that food discussions seem to generate the
longest threads here?

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)






From ginnysthe1 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 00:53:58 2004
From: ginnysthe1 at yahoo.com (ginnysthe1)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:53:58 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cmb8n2+cmkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmbuj6+71g7@eGroups.com>



This is Kim.  Hope it's OK my joining this conversation for a bit. I 
just joined the OT Chatter group and thought your posts were 
interesting.

In Carol's post, she quoted Yb:

" ... See, the HP series is written in third-person limited point-of-
view. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, it 
means that the narrator is not in the story; he/she is an objective 
viewer of all events. But, the narrator is limited to what Harry can 
see/hear/experience. There are very few times where we depart from 
this line of writing, and all of them occur during PS/SS."

Then Carol responded:

"Yes, I know. I've posted about half a dozen times regarding the 
limited omniscient narrator on the main list, mostly in response to 
people who persist in calling Harry the narrator. A technicality, 
maybe, but it's important to our understanding of the series. And 
there *are* other instances when JKR departs from Harry's (for 
example in GoF when the narrator reports that, unknown to Harry, 
Neville is also lying awake). And I wouldn't call this 
narrator "objective" since his/her observations are usually colored 
by Harry's. The key word is "limited." Such narrators are unreliable 
because they are limited by what the POV character experiences, 
knows, and believes. If the POV character is misinformed, so is the 
reader. (JKR cleverly uses the mind link with Voldemort to escape the 
limitations of this POV, and of course she can't use Harry's POV in 
SS/PS chapter one or the scene where Hermione sets Snape's robes on 
fire.)"

Kim comments:

Not having been a literature major (but having been a voracious 
reader most of my life), I wondered how you could tell specifically 
when the POV changes from being limited to Harry's (written in third 
person) to just the omniscient narrator's POV (also written in third 
person).  My sense is that JKR inserts the omniscient narrator's POV 
at various and unpredictable times, but that it happens relatively 
often, not rarely.  And I know she gets really specific about Harry's 
POV when she writes things like "Harry thought his head was going to 
burst" [not a direct quote but I think lines like that can be found] 
and so I would agree that those particular instances (which happen 
pretty often) are possibly unreliable in that they are a report of 
Harry's direct experience of events.  And of course there's a lot of 
dialogue in the books between Harry and other characters that I think 
is reliable, not just a report of what Harry thought the other 
characters said.  Whether you can trust what they say is a different 
matter.  Taking a liberty here, I would call the POV in the books 
something more like 3rd person omniscient "Harry-focused" vs. "Harry-
limited" if that makes any sense.  What I mean is that Harry is the 
central focus of the story, the story revolves around him, and the 
narrator tends to be limited by that as to which events are covered 
and which aren't.  But the narration isn't necessarily filtered 
through Harry's direct experience of it.  It's just *focused* on 
Harry.  And of course I agree (and never thought otherwise) that 
Harry is not the narrator.  The it would be written in first person 
(as Harry), wouldn't it?

Another example I found of omniscient POV (not limited to Harry's) 
outside of the PS/SS and GoF examples you've given is the very first 
chapter of GoF which includes the scenes, among others, with Frank 
Bryce, Wormtail, and Voldemort in the Riddle House in Little 
Hangleton.  This chapter wasn't just a detailed report of Harry's 
dream (which wakes him up at the end of the chapter), because there 
are too many details that he couldn't have known beforehand in order 
for them to have been in his dream.

I've decided that the narrator in the HP books is generally reliable 
insofar as you can rely on JKR for consistency in her writing.  I 
mean, sometimes when the narrator seems unreliable, it may simply be 
due to JKR having gotten her "facts" mixed up.

Food for thought, FWIW.

Cheers, Kim 









From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Nov  4 01:19:14 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:19:14 -0000
Subject: Rowling endorses candidate - very funny
In-Reply-To: <cmb96l+u0f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmc02i+qtju@eGroups.com>


Andromeda wrote:
> > 
> > This post of davewitley was so clever I just wanted to make sure 
it 
> > didn't sink into oblivion unappreciated.  I almost skipped it 
> > because of the subject line... but how can you not love a good 
> > Quibbler article?

Carol responds:
> Maybe Dave will be kind enough to add it to the Files? It appears 
that
> we can do that here without requesting the help of a List Elf as 
on HPfGU.

Yes, please do.  It was definitely worth saving.
> 
> Which reminds me: What's the procedure for nominating an HPfGU post
> for the Recommended Posts section? Or is this the wrong forum for 
that
> question?

Just send an email to HPforGrownups-owner @yahoo.com (without the 
space) with your nomination (or nominations), and we'll get it up 
within a day or two.  We welcome recommendations of new posts as 
well as old ones you might come across in the archives.

Debbie






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Nov  4 02:29:07 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:29:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
In-Reply-To: <1925.4.12.232.15.1098774746.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEGIDFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Dina wrote:
| I've learned *one way* of telling if a shirt is guy or gal's is by the
buttons,
| if the shirt is button down.
|
| Gal's have buttons on our left while guy's shirts have buttons on their
| right.  I think it had to do with an old tradition of women helping men
| button their shirts.

[Lee]:
I think it wasn't women helping, per se, but a man's servant/valet/etc.
Perhaps if he's lucky his wife would help him, but, I believe it had more to
do with a servant.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 05:14:30 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:14:30 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Dicey!
Message-ID: <cmcdrm+fro9@eGroups.com>


I don't know about you, but I've not been feeling my best today...and 
how better to cheer myself up than to celebrate a birthday?

Today's honoree is the lovely Dicentra spectabilis. Owl her birthday 
greetings at dicentra at xmission.com--I'm sure she'd love to have your 
good wishes!

I'm afraid I couldn't book the skeletons again today--they're 
apparently only willing to play on All Hallow's Eve, All Saints Day, 
and All Souls Day--but that doesn't mean we can't party!  So, 
Dicey... *presents you a large selection of CDs with a flourish* 
We've still got the CD player, so just pick your music and away we 
go!  In the meantime, I'll decorate! *hums cheerfully while strewing 
balloons and banners all over the room*

And you like cake, right?  I've got a nice big chocolate cake just 
about to come out of the over, so hold on while I go get it! *rushes 
out, and a minute later, comes back in with cake floating behind* 
Mmm, smells good, doesn't it? *grins*

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DICEY!

--Rynny the birthday elf  






From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Nov  4 06:05:50 2004
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 06:05:50 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found fanfiction update
Message-ID: <cmcgru+dfha@eGroups.com>


Hi!

Chapter 27 is up on FFN as of tonight, might not be visible until
tomorrow (11/4), "Pain, Poison and Patronuses", and Chapter 28 has
just been sent to my awesome beta!

I could still use a Britt-picker, though!  Especially with my
Weasley-twin dialog, *wink*

Again I will remind everyone that the story has been more thoroughly
'polished' at FFN, because I find it more user friendly to my
technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in the 'lemons' on AFN.  

My understanding is that AFN is in financial trouble, so if you are
the sort who donates money to your free sites that you enjoy using,
and if AFN is one of those sites, you might consider donating, I know
I do because I like not having to be techie enough to do it myself!

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama. After
OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but before Half Blood Prince
(hmm, is that one word, halfblood, or two?); so AU to that book when
it arrives, Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in DE activities
because of his OotP Spy role, a researcher from Ministry offers to aid
and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's Master
whom she knew slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way
too much plot for those of you who want PWP.) WIP Rated for later
chapters.

Here are the links again:
http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn rated R on
this site

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.
Rated NC-17 on this site, for later chapters (chapter 23, 25, and will
be 28 to be specific)

I am eventually going to get around to submitting it to Syncophanthex
in Occlumency, but haven't gotten there yet.

Hope you enjoy. Like probably the majority of fanfic authors, I thrive
on reviews, so at the risk of sounding pathetic... Please Review! :)






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov  4 08:12:29 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:12:29 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEGIDFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <00aa01c4c246$07337a90$69206bd5@kathryn>


> [Lee]:
> I think it wasn't women helping, per se, but a man's servant/valet/etc.
> Perhaps if he's lucky his wife would help him, but, I believe it had more
to
> do with a servant.
>

Actually I was always led to believe that men's shirts traditionally fasten
the way they do so that when a man drew his sword (most people are right
handed so the scabbard would be on the left) they could do so without
getting caught on the fastenings.

K





From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Thu Nov  4 08:15:43 2004
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:15:43 -0800
Subject: Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
Message-ID: <993600813.20041104001543@mindspring.com>

Dear friends,

This Saturday, I will be speaking at the annual Oz Convention in Dana
Point, CA, regarding the future of L. Frank Baum's "Wizard of Oz"
series, and why it has been (thus far) largely trumped by Harry Potter
and other contemporary fantasy series.  (So that many people don't even
realize it *is* a series, thinking it's just an MGM movie starring
Judy Garland!)

What I would like to find out is the general public impression of
Oz vs. other fantasy series.  I know I'm hardly taking a scientific
sample: a number of people whose opinions I trust + a number
of fellow afficionados of one of Oz's rivals (Harry).  But I
would just like to get a few opinions to get an idea...

So here's my little survey.  Thanks ahead for your participation.  It
will help me a lot in my speech! --

1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum and other
authors? (Y/N)

2. If yes, what did you like about them?  What did you not like?

3. Do you like to read fantasy in general? (Y/N)

4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy series?

5. What do you like about that series?

6. Which of the the following do you believe enhances a good fantasy
(or fiction in general)? :

   -- Interesting plotlines?
   -- Unexpected plot twists?
   -- Complex, multi-dimensional characters?
   -- Coherent, non-self-contradicting story continuity?
   -- Science fiction elements?
   -- Action / Adventure elements?
   -- Romantic Elements?
   -- Sexual Elements / Nudity?

   
Thanks again!

-- 
Dave




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Nov  4 11:52:38 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:52:38 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmblpr+ht6k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmd566+ph90@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" 
> <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> >The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to 
> measure accurately; half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most 
> add another spoon or two just to make sure.
> > 
> > That's what I like about cooking, within limits you can do what 
> you like.<
> 
> Grease the spoon with cooking oil and the syrup won't stick.
> 
> Pippin


But that way you  don't get as much syrup.
Moderation is all  very well, but only in moderation.

Kneasy






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Nov  4 13:49:56 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:49:56 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food - Lyle's Golden Syrup-You Make It.
In-Reply-To: <cmbo6j+iu2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmdc24+qt23@eGroups.com>


Steve wrote:

> From my web research, Lyle's comes in light and dark (golden and
> tracle), the dark is still extremely light in color when compared 
to
> most syrups found in the USA. In the USA, molasses is so dark that 
it
> would be next to impossible to get light to penetrate it; it's 
Black.

Treacle is almost black.  I think it's slightly sweeter than 
molasses but the dominant flavour is a burnt bitter one.  Confusion 
arises because the recipe called 'treacle tart' uses Golden Syrup, 
not treacle.

The ingredients of Lyle's Golden Syrup are a trade secret, IIRC.

David, agreeing that food has the longest threads (except possibly 
the validity of IQ tests)






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Nov  4 14:01:34 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:01:34 -0000
Subject: Rowling endorses candidate - very funny
In-Reply-To: <cmc02i+qtju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmdcnu+lah3@eGroups.com>


Andromeda, Carol:
> > Maybe Dave will be kind enough to add it to the Files? It 
appears 
> that
> > we can do that here without requesting the help of a List Elf as 
> on HPfGU.
> 
> Yes, please do.  It was definitely worth saving.
> > 
Debbie:

> Just send an email to HPforGrownups-owner @yahoo.com (without the 
> space) with your nomination (or nominations), and we'll get it up 
> within a day or two.  We welcome recommendations of new posts as 
> well as old ones you might come across in the archives.

Thank you everyone for your kind words and vote of confidence.  I 
promise to continue to reach out to all list members ;-)

I'm very happy for the List Elves to add it to the files area, 
though I suspect the humour will get old quite quickly.   After all, 
who now remembers how Remus Lupin had to drop out of the race after 
his 'werewolf yell' was caught on film?

David






From ExSlytherin at aol.com  Thu Nov  4 15:49:23 2004
From: ExSlytherin at aol.com (Mandy)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:49:23 -0000
Subject: girl or guy's shirts?  The reasons why.
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEGIDFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cmdj23+310c@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote:
I've learned *one way* of telling if a shirt is guy or gal's is by 
the buttons, if the shirt is button down.
Gal's have buttons on our left while guy's shirts have buttons on 
their  right.  I think it had to do with an old tradition of women 
helping men button their shirts.

Lee wrote:
I think it wasn't women helping, per se, but a man's 
servant/valet/etc. Perhaps if he's lucky his wife would help him, 
but, I believe it had more to do with a servant.


Mandy here:
This is what I was learned, and it has to do with weapons and babies:

Men's shirts button left side over right side because of their 
weapon hand.  Most men being right handed, would keep that right 
hand warm and ready to fight by sliding it inside their 
shirt/jacket.  Just like Napoleon.

Women's shirts/blouses button right side over left side because of 
breast feeding.  Most women a right handed and hold the baby in the 
left hand to keep their right hand free to do other things.  It is 
easier to use the right hand to unbutton the right side of the 
shirt, open it, close it, re-button it and tuck it back in when you 
only have one hand.  Or so I'm told.  And of course neither of these 
consider lefties.

Cheers Mandy







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 16:57:47 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:57:47 -0000
Subject: Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
In-Reply-To: <993600813.20041104001543@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <cmdn2b+9pa3@eGroups.com>


 
> So here's my little survey.  Thanks ahead for your participation.  It
> will help me a lot in my speech! --
> 
> 1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum and other
> authors? (Y/N)

No

> 2. If yes, what did you like about them?  What did you not like?
> 
> 3. Do you like to read fantasy in general? (Y/N)

Yes

> 4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy series?

HP  :)

> 5. What do you like about that series?

The characters, and the fact that if you dig into the adventure, you
can find layers of meaning.  Also, the feel of the Wizarding world and
the way it seems to be just beyond our vision. And it's a great story.

> 6. Which of the the following do you believe enhances a good fantasy
> (or fiction in general)? :
> 
>    -- Interesting plotlines? Yes
>    -- Unexpected plot twists? Yes
>    -- Complex, multi-dimensional characters? YES!
>    -- Coherent, non-self-contradicting story continuity? YES, YES,
YES! *ahem*
>    -- Science fiction elements? Sure, but not necessary.
>    -- Action / Adventure elements? Yes
>    -- Romantic Elements? Sure, why not.
>    -- Sexual Elements / Nudity? *eyeroll* Not necessary, but go on
ahead if you can manage it without it looking merely grafted on to the
rest of the story. Not that 'sexual' and 'fantasy' haven't had a long
and honored connection, though...
> 
>    
> Thanks again!
> 
> -- 
> Dave

You're quite welcome.

Annemehr







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 17:37:31 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:37:31 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food --and Carol's light fruitcake
In-Reply-To: <cmbd9r+u409@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmdpcr+6fla@eGroups.com>


> kjirstem:
> 
> One of the definitions in my dictionary for treacle *is* golden syrup
> - which it claims is a mixture of molasses and corn syrup.  I think
> molasses and maple syrup would be yummier though.  Also, I'm *sure*
> I've seen golden syrup in my local supermarket.  Haven't ever noticed
> bottled lemon zest though ...

Carol:
Just look for lemon peel in the spice section. ("Jar" might be more
accurate than "bottle" to describe the container.) Schilling produces
it in the U.S. I don't know about Britain. And they produce the liquid
essence as well (in a box containing a little bottle).

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 17:41:54 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:54 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmblpr+ht6k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmdpl2+10t50@eGroups.com>


Kneasy wrote:
> >The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to measure
accurately; half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most add another
spoon or two just to make sure. <snip>

Pippin suggested: 
> Grease the spoon with cooking oil and the syrup won't stick.
 

Carol adds:
Or spray the spoon with Spam (the cooking spray, not the canned spiced
ham!). But that would be un-British, I guess.

Carol






From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Nov  4 18:42:12 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:42:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] girl or guy's shirts?  The reasons why.
In-Reply-To: <cmdj23+310c@eGroups.com>
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEGIDFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
    <cmdj23+310c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1108.4.47.27.218.1099593732.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Mandy said:

> Dina wrote (awhile back):
> I've learned *one way* of telling if a shirt is guy or gal's is by
> the buttons, if the shirt is button down.

> Mandy here:
> This is what I was learned, and it has to do with weapons and babies:

Wow, an old thread and folks are quoting my oldest reply and not the
entire thread... I had already posted what I really thought about buttons
at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24829

This was back on October 26.

Dina




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 19:04:11 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:04:11 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cmbuj6+71g7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmdufc+ks1h@eGroups.com>


Carol earlier:
> 
> "Yes, I know. I've posted about half a dozen times regarding the 
> limited omniscient narrator on the main list, mostly in response to 
> people who persist in calling Harry the narrator. A technicality, 
> maybe, but it's important to our understanding of the series. And 
> there *are* other instances when JKR departs from Harry's (for 
> example in GoF when the narrator reports that, unknown to Harry, 
> Neville is also lying awake). And I wouldn't call this 
> narrator "objective" since his/her observations are usually colored 
> by Harry's. The key word is "limited." Such narrators are unreliable 
> because they are limited by what the POV character experiences, 
> knows, and believes. If the POV character is misinformed, so is the 
> reader. (JKR cleverly uses the mind link with Voldemort to escape the 
> limitations of this POV, and of course she can't use Harry's POV in 
> SS/PS chapter one or the scene where Hermione sets Snape's robes on 
> fire.)"
> 
> Kim comments:
> 
> Not having been a literature major (but having been a voracious 
> reader most of my life), I wondered how you could tell specifically 
> when the POV changes from being limited to Harry's (written in third 
> person) to just the omniscient narrator's POV (also written in third 
> person).  My sense is that JKR inserts the omniscient narrator's POV 
> at various and unpredictable times, but that it happens relatively 
> often, not rarely. 

Carol responds:
Sorry. I have three degrees in literature and taught college English
for eighteen years, so I tend to get a bit carried away.

"Limited omniscient narrator" is a technical term for a third-person
narrator whose "omniscience" (bad term--ought to be knowledge or
perspective") is limited to one character or a very few characters.
The narrator usually presents the action through one character's eyes
but can on occasion slip outside the character's perspective to
comment on something he or she doesn't see (as when Neville is lying
awake but Harry doesn't know it). What a limited omniscient narrator
normally *can't* do is give us the thoughts or perspective of a
character other than the POV character, which is why we are never
inside Snape's or Draco's or Dumbledore's mind. JKR takes a few
liberties with the technique when she needs to tell us something that
Harry normally wouldn't be aware of (the mind link to Voldemort, for
example). The brief scene when Hermione is setting Snape's robes on
fire in SS/PS is outside Harry's perspective (he's in the air fighting
to keep control of his broom and has no idea what's happening in the
stands below). This scene appears to be objectively presented because
we don't get inside anyone's mind, but it's really from Hermione's
perspective. The action is presented as it appears to her, so the
reader thinks, as she does, that Snape is cursing Harry's broom.

There are other necessary exceptions to Harry as POV character. In
SS/PS, chapter one, he can't be the POV character because he's fifteen
months old and isn't even present much of the time. The POV shifts
from Vernon to a more or less omniscient narrator who sees the owls
and wizards invisible to Vernon because he's not looking out the
window. The scene with McGonagall, Dumbledore, and Hagrid is reported
almost entirely from the outside with no POV character. Near the end
of the scene, we're told what Dumbledore can see but we don't really
enter his mind to know his thoughts. From there we're told by a
temporarily omniscient narrator what Harry, a sleeping infant, can't
know, that he's about to be awakened by his Aunt Petunia's screams and
hit by his cousin Dudley and that people all over the country are
toasting him as The Boy Who Lived. The POV remains outside Harry
briefly in the opening of chapter two because Harry, now almost
eleven, is again asleep, but goes from there to what he can see and
what he experiences and what he "knows"--often wrong! (Note, for
example, that when Harry "realizes" in GoF that Cedric Diggory is just
an ignorant pretty boy that we're not supposed to accept this
"realization" as fact.)

One glaring example of limited omniscient narration where the POV is
not Harry's and not Voldemort's via the mind link is the dream
presented from Frank Bryce's POV. That one I'm not able to explain
except as an interesting literary device that JKR gets away with
because it pulls us in. 

At any rate, a limited omniscient narrator *normally* can't present
action at which the POV character is not present. A conversation that
takes place in the Slytherin common room can only be reported directly
if Harry overhears it using Polyjuice potion (or, in theory, his
invisibility cloak or some similar tactic). The narrator also can't
*normally* present other characters' thoughts. Consequently, if the
narrator says that Snape hates Harry, we don't know that for a fact
("fact" within the context of the novel). It's Harry's perception, his
interpretation of a look or words, presented to us by the limited
omniscient narrator.

How do we know when it's Harry's perception and when it's objective
narration? Actions and words that he sees and hears can be considered
objective "fact," still subject to our interpretation based on other
evidence, but more reliable than Harry's perception of these things.
Lupin or Snape *seems* to be reading his mind, for example. But the
narrator sometimes tricks us outright, as with the statement that
Harry's parents died in a car accident--his view of the facts at the
time. IIRC, there are also statements in PoA about Dementors being
able to see that also turn out to be incorrect. And we are misled in
every book regarding the identity of the villain or what he is after,
all because Harry perceives them incorrectly (SS/PS, wrong villain;
CoS, misjudging Tom Riddle; PoA, wrong villain; GoF, wrong villain;
OoP, misunderstanding the dream and the "vision" of Sirius being
tortured).

Kim: 
<snip> Taking a liberty here, I would call the POV in the books 
> something more like 3rd person omniscient "Harry-focused" vs.
"Harry-limited" if that makes any sense.  What I mean is that Harry is
the central focus of the story, the story revolves around him, and the 
> narrator tends to be limited by that as to which events are covered 
> and which aren't.  But the narration isn't necessarily filtered 
> through Harry's direct experience of it.  It's just *focused* on 
> Harry.  And of course I agree (and never thought otherwise) that 
> Harry is not the narrator.  The it would be written in first person 
> (as Harry), wouldn't it?

Carol:
I agree with your perception. But "limited omniscient narrator" is the
accepted term for describing this point of view. It isn't *always*
unreliable, but it has limitations similar to those of a first-person
narrator--or a real person. We can only be in one place at a time, we
can't know what anyone else is thinking, we misinterpret other
people's words and actions. The difference is that the limited
omniscient narration puts the reader in Harry's shoes without having
Harry tell the story, which would be extremely unrealistic and a
giveaway to his survival (unless the author tricks us by switching
from a first-person to a third-person POV as in "All Quiet on the
Western Front.") The point is, this narrator is neither omniscient nor
objective. He (or she) *can't* be or we would know more than Harry
does and there would be no mystery.

Kim: 
> Another example I found of omniscient POV (not limited to Harry's) 
> outside of the PS/SS and GoF examples you've given is the very first 
> chapter of GoF which includes the scenes, among others, with Frank 
> Bryce, Wormtail, and Voldemort in the Riddle House in Little 
> Hangleton.  This chapter wasn't just a detailed report of Harry's 
> dream (which wakes him up at the end of the chapter), because there 
> are too many details that he couldn't have known beforehand in order 
> for them to have been in his dream.

Carol:
I discussed the Frank Bryce segment earlier. Even here the narrator
isn't omniscient. He or she is still limited to a particular point of
view (that of a Muggle who doesn't believe in wizards)--an interesting
variation on the narrative technique but hard to justify if we assume
that Harry is *always* the POV character. As I said earlier, there are
scenes in SS/PS, at least, where the POV comes near to being
omniscient, but most of the time it's "limited omniscient," meaning
that the narrator's knowledge is limited by the knowledge and
perceptions of the character, which can be but are not always wrong.
> 
Kim:
> I've decided that the narrator in the HP books is generally reliable 
> insofar as you can rely on JKR for consistency in her writing.  I 
> mean, sometimes when the narrator seems unreliable, it may simply be 
> due to JKR having gotten her "facts" mixed up.


Carol:
Oh, dear. Flints. Errors and inconsistencies by JKR herself, as in how
many students are in Hogwarts or the age of the older Weasley boys or
the color of a Prefects badge. That's not the same thing as an
unreliable narrator (another technical term). 

Consider SS/PS. When the narrator says, "Hermione almost ran to the
stool and jammed the hat eagerly on her head," we can take this
statement as reliable even though "eagerly" is Harry's perception. The
adverb fits with the actions and the sentence gives the same
impression without it. But "It happened very suddenly. The hook-nosed
teacher [Snape] looked past Quirrell's turban straight into Harry's
eyes--and a sharp, hot pain shot across the scar on Harry's forehead."
this passage looks like straightforward reporting, but both Harry and
the unwary reader assume a cause-effect connection, reinforced by "The
pain had gone as quickly as it had come. Harder to shake off was the
feeling Harry had gotten from the teacher's look--a feeling that he
didn't like Harry at all," and by Harry's dream that night, in which
Draco turns into Snape and then Snape gives a high, cold laugh.

This is the kind of narration we should look out for. We see it again
when Harry *knows* that Snape wants to poison him, for example. We
can't take the narrator at his word here any more than we should
accept Sirius's advice to Harry to watch out for Karkaroff. We know,
on a second reading, that Sirius's advice is a red herring (though
well-intended). Many statements by the narrator are equally, if less
obviously, unreliable.

BTW, Kim, I'm not one of those readers who sees conspiracy theories
everywhere or distrusts every statement by the narrator. If the
narrator says in every book that Petunia is a Muggle, then Petunia is
a Muggle, and we shouldn't have to ask JKR to confirm that for us! I
also don't believe in ESE!Lupin or Time-traveling Dumbledore.

Carol, hoping that she hasn't gone into too much detail and confused
more than she's clarified






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 19:48:19 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:48:19 -0000
Subject: Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
In-Reply-To: <993600813.20041104001543@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <cme123+9qeo@eGroups.com>


Dave Hardenbrook wrote:
<snip>
> What I would like to find out is the general public impression of
> Oz vs. other fantasy series.  I know I'm hardly taking a scientific
> sample: a number of people whose opinions I trust + a number
> of fellow afficionados of one of Oz's rivals (Harry).  But I
> would just like to get a few opinions to get an idea...
> 
> So here's my little survey.  Thanks ahead for your participation. 
It will help me a lot in my speech! --

Carol:
Dave, here are my responses, more detailed than simple yes or no
responses. I'm hoping that you wanted us to respond onlist and not in
a personal e-mail.
> 
> 1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum and
other authors? (Y/N)

Yes. About thirty of them, I think, but I was eleven at the time and
am not certain whether it was the whole series. I do remember
especially liking "The Patchwork Girl of Oz" and another book
featuring a dinosaur skeleton named Terrybubble.

> 
> 2. If yes, what did you like about them? They caught my imagination
and took me into a fantasy world unlike anything I'd experienced before.

 What did you not like? After about twenty books, my enthusiasm lagged
a little. IIRC, the later books (by a different author) weren't quite
as good as the first ones. What I *really* didn't like was the Judy
Garland movie, which in my view "ruined" the first book--Judy Garland
was too old for the role and struck me as a crybaby, and the song
lyrics made no sense, and the Munchkins were made to look ridiculous.
> 
> 3. Do you like to read fantasy in general? (Y/N) Only LOTR (more
than twenty time through the "trilogy" and three times through the
Appendices (Silmarillion twice, some of the minor works once--none of
it is on a par with LOTR). and "The Hobbit" maybe five times, of
course. But HP is a different sort of addiction, a living WIP that can
be discussed with other adult readers.
> 
> 4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy series? (See above.)
> 
> 5. What do you like about that series? On a first reading (I was
fifteen), I liked the excitement of certain chapters, the ones that
actually scared me without being at all gory or disgusting. (I learned
the distinction between terror and horror at that point.) I was
devastated by Gandalf's seeming death but made myself pick up the book
and keep reading, and I wanted to know what would happen to Frodo. But
I was confused by the ending (like Pippin not understanding that
Strider was Isildur's heir) and had to read it again, more carefully
to find out what was happening. I kept rereading it to explore its
depths and recapture the experience of a first reading (impossible!).
I care about some of the characters (Frodo, Boromir, Pippin) as if
they were real people. (For me, the first few chapters are too slow
and the last chapters, with the crowning of Aragorn, etc., are almost
boring, but other scenes still give me shivers or move me to tears.)
> 
> 6. Which of the the following do you believe enhances a good fantasy
> (or fiction in general)? :
> 
>    -- Interesting plotlines? Yes
>    -- Unexpected plot twists? Yes
>    -- Complex, multi-dimensional characters? Absolutely
>    -- Coherent, non-self-contradicting story continuity? Ideally,
yes, but we can't expect perfection
>    -- Science fiction elements? No
>    -- Action / Adventure elements? Yes, but not to the exclusion of
everything else. But peril and good vs. evil are indispensable.
>    -- Romantic Elements? Not necessary but acceptable.
>    -- Sexual Elements / Nudity? No. Or at least, they'd have to be
tastefully and subtly depicted. (Not in children's fiction, please.)

Carol, hoping this is useful and noting that I own the only three Oz
books I could find in recent editions, "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz,"
"The Emerald City of Oz," and "The Road to Oz," but haven't read them
since I bought them from BOMC!






From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Nov  4 19:47:27 2004
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:47:27 -0000
Subject: AFN fanfiction hosting website is in financial trouble again
Message-ID: <cme10f+vpb0@eGroups.com>


I'm a long-time lurker and avid reader of all HP fanfictions, though
generally I prefer any that involve our Potions Master.  I frequent a
lot of sites to find new stuff as I read fairly prolifically.

I'm posting to all my lists today because I see AFN is in near-danger
of closing down.  I realize it is not anywhere near a top-quality site
like PSA or Syncophanthex or even fanfiction.net and many others that
I frequent, but it is one at which many budding fanfic writers take
their first tentative steps.  I personally like sites like AFN and FFN
because I think encouraging people to write and express their
imaginations, even if they are not "top notch" quality is a good thing.

Anyway, I don't own or run or even KNOW the people who own or run AFN,
but I thought I'd put this out there.  If you enjoy the site at any
level, please consider donating to them.  I think anyone who has a
story archived there out to especially feel a sense of obligation to
help them out.  Like many sites, they have a huge story archive and
member base.  If everyone who used the site just donated a few bucks
it would make a difference.

Website Link:  http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/

I'm done now. *wink*
Shanti
(who should never make a career of collecting money for anything!)






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 21:16:11 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:16:11 -0000
Subject: Halloween photos
In-Reply-To: <cm9juj+bq6a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cme66r+saj4@eGroups.com>


Nice job, folks.  That's some display. And trick or treaters must 
have been scared to meet Snape at the door. Some year I'd love to 
deck out our house properly-- we live in a Victorian large house atop 
a steep hill, and I'm in the tower room!  It would make a great 
Halloween/Hogwarts party setting.  >;)  (I even have pet rats...)








From penmouse756 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 23:10:21 2004
From: penmouse756 at yahoo.com (penmouse756)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:10:21 -0000
Subject: Halloween photos
In-Reply-To: <cme66r+saj4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmecst+n9v6@eGroups.com>


Thanks! Like I said, I had a blast doing it. You look like you were 
having a pretty good time in your photos. Nice Harry Potter. I'm not 
too sure about the rats, though. LOL.
Cheers!

In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> 
> Nice job, folks.  That's some display. And trick or treaters must 
> have been scared to meet Snape at the door. Some year I'd love to 
> deck out our house properly-- we live in a Victorian large house 
atop 
> a steep hill, and I'm in the tower room!  It would make a great 
> Halloween/Hogwarts party setting.  >;)  (I even have pet rats...)






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  4 23:46:09 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:46:09 -0000
Subject: Unreliable narrator--a better example
Message-ID: <cmef01+j2rn@eGroups.com>


It occurred to me as I was driving home this afternoon that the
clearest examples of unreliable narration in the HP books can probably
be taken from chapter one of SS/PS because we know that JKR doesn't
share the Dursleys' views. Take, for example, "Mrs. Dursley pretended
she didn't have a sister, because her sister and her good-for-nothing
husband were as unDursleyish as it was possible to be" (SS Am. ed. 2).
Here the point of view is actually Petunia's rather than Vernon's. The
first half of the sentence is a statement of fact (in the context of
the novel), and the "unDursleyish" part could be considered objective
or at least accurate (even if the reader and Petunia disagree as to
whether being "unDursleyish" is good or bad).

But "good-for-nothing husband" is clearly Petunia's opinion, neither
objective nor accurate (from JKR's perspective). If we believe that
James outgrew his bully phase to become a loving father and husband
and a decent, courageous man, we have to reject the narrator's
description of him as "good-for-nothing" as reflecting Petunia's
limited and distorted POV. If, however, we argue that the narrator is
reliable here and throughout the books, then we must accept at face
value the assertion that James is no good--a nice piece of ammunition
for the James bashers. IMO, it works to support the argument that
"that awful boy" is James (at least Petunia's view of him would be
consistent) but it doesn't prove that he really was no good. (Not to
get sidetracked here, but if James treated Petunia as he treated
Severus, we can at least understand where her view of him came from.)

My point, though, is that the narrator is no more reliable in
presenting people and events from Harry's perspective than from the
Dursleys'. It's just that the flaws in Harry's perspective are not so
patently obvious. He's the protagonist and we're supposed to empathize
with him, after all.

Once again, "limited omniscience" merely means that the narrator's
"omniscience" (bad term, but I didn't invent it!) is limited. Far from
knowing everything, he (or she) knows only what the POV character
knows, or thinks he knows, or perceives. The fact that the POV
character occasionally changes doesn't make this perspective any less
limited, not does it make it more reliable. In fact, I would venture
to say that the only time the narrator is wholly reliable is when
there's no POV character at all, as in the description of what's
happening or will happen around the sleeping baby in the last
paragraph of SS/PS.

Carol, hoping she's not boring people who would rather talk about
British food!






From Erthena at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 01:32:26 2004
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 01:32:26 -0000
Subject: Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
In-Reply-To: <993600813.20041104001543@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <cmel7a+sa4b@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dave Hardenbrook 
<DaveH47 at m...> wrote:
<snip>
> 1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum and 
other
> authors? (Y/N)
Yes, all the L. Frankl Baum Ones
> 
> 2. If yes, what did you like about them?  What did you not like?
I LIked going back and visiting my favorite characters over and over 
again, however I was 10.
> 
> 3. Do you like to read fantasy in general? (Y/N)
Yes
> 
> 4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy series?
Harry Potter, obviously
> 
> 5. What do you like about that series?
I love the intricate complexity of the stories, I also LOVE the 
fandom, especially being a partof something that is still happening
> 
> 6. Which of the the following do you believe enhances a good fantasy
> (or fiction in general)? :
> 
>    -- Interesting plotlines? Yes
>    -- Unexpected plot twists? Yes
>    -- Complex, multi-dimensional characters? Yes
>    -- Coherent, non-self-contradicting story continuity? Yes
>    -- Science fiction elements? Can help can hinder
>    -- Action / Adventure elements? again can both help and hinder
>    -- Romantic Elements? Yes
>    -- Sexual Elements / Nudity? No
actually all of these can be either good or bad depending on their 
use in the story.
~~loony






From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 03:08:56 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:08:56 -0800
Subject: Happy birthday, Penny!
Message-ID: <fb68b86304110419086f0cd1d3@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, it's November fourth already?  How the time has flown quickly
by--I almost can't believe it's already here, but it is!  It's...

OUR LIST MOTHER'S BIRTHDAY!  Today's honoree is Penny Linsenmayer,
mother of the HPfGU family of lists!  Everyone, do drop her at note at
pennylin at swbell.net and tell her happy birthday, and how much you
appreciate everything she's done for HPfGU so that we could enjoy it
so much--I know I'm sure grateful to her!

Here, Penny, why don't you pick out some music while I finish putting
up the decorations?  Lots of brilliant music in there to pick from, to
be sure!  And just for you, I got banners and balloons featuring the
characters--especially Harry and Hermione!  Just hold on a minute, and
I'll put them up. *charms everything into place, with the big Harry
and Hermione balloons next to each other*

And it's not often that I'll forego the usual cake, but I felt that
today called for something different.  So here it is, a... *a bell
goes off* Oh, there's the timer!  Just in time, too--you all don't
mind waiting while I go get it, do you?  Good! *pops out, and soon
pops back in, grinning widely* Oh, doesn't it smell good...a nice,
big, warm...pumpkin pie!  I've got whipped cream and ice cream and
everything, too, so you can all enjoy it like it's meant to be
enjoyed!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PENNY!

--Rynny the birthday elf



From spin01 at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 04:03:39 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 04:03:39 -0000
Subject: keys are driving me nuts
Message-ID: <cmeu2r+t6t6@eGroups.com>


Can anyone shed some light on the key thing.  I have went to the door 
and waited for peeves but can't get the stupid keys to open the 
door.  Do I sound frustrated here lol.  I catch the key and go to the 
keyhole but it is not working helpppppppppp.
sherry






From spin01 at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 04:23:33 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 04:23:33 -0000
Subject: keys are driving me nuts
In-Reply-To: <cmeu2r+t6t6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmev85+8i50@eGroups.com>


ok got past the keys and the door opened found the magnifying glass 
and the paper with the trick question anyone further than that?
sherry






From kelly at protocallonline.com  Fri Nov  5 05:25:56 2004
From: kelly at protocallonline.com (kellymcj2000)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 05:25:56 -0000
Subject: other open doors
Message-ID: <cmf2t4+fjb3@eGroups.com>


Hello everyone

I can't go to the JKR site very often or for very long a time.  Only 
one other time when I went was the sign off the door.  I had to log 
off and never found out why.  Can anyone tell me how many times the 
sign's been down and, subsequently, what was revealed since the jkr 
site's been up?

I did get lucky today and know about the chapters.  That's what led 
me to this question.  

thanks to all

kmcj   






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 13:16:57 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:16:57 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: keys are driving me nuts
Message-ID: <bf.49b28308.2ebcd749@aol.com>

type in Chapters and the next screen will appear......put your cursor on the 
drawer handle and pull


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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 15:27:43 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:27:43 -0000
Subject: other open doors
In-Reply-To: <cmf2t4+fjb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmg65f+qac0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kellymcj2000" <kelly at p...> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone
> 
> I can't go to the JKR site very often or for very long a time.  Only 
> one other time when I went was the sign off the door.  I had to log 
> off and never found out why.  Can anyone tell me how many times the 
> sign's been down and, subsequently, what was revealed since the jkr 
> site's been up?
> 
> I did get lucky today and know about the chapters.  That's what led 
> me to this question.  
> 
> thanks to all
> 
> kmcj

The first time it opened, it revealed the title: Harry Potter and the
Half-Blood Prince (only, it didn't have the hyphen in it yet, which
caused all sorts of discussion for a while).

The second time it opened, it revealed this excerpt:

(He) looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his
mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes
behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping
grace even though he walked with a slight limp.

And now, of course, the three chapter titles.

Annemehr







From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Fri Nov  5 17:47:29 2004
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:47:29 -0000
Subject: Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
In-Reply-To: <993600813.20041104001543@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <cmgebh+517h@eGroups.com>


DaveH47 at m... wrote:
> Dear friends,
> 
<snip> 
> 
> What I would like to find out is the general public impression of
> Oz vs. other fantasy series.  I know I'm hardly taking a scientific
> sample: a number of people whose opinions I trust + a number
> of fellow afficionados of one of Oz's rivals (Harry).  But I
> would just like to get a few opinions to get an idea...
> 

kjirstem:

> 1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum and
other
> authors? (Y/N)
>

Yes!  I loved the Oz books when I was a kid.  I read all the ones I
could get my hands on, regardless of author.  I did prefer the ones
written by L. Frank Baum.

> 2. If yes, what did you like about them?  What did you not like?
> 

I think much of the appeal was similar to the appeal of HP, I could
lose myself in another world that was much more interesting than
everyday life.  My response to the Oz books was very similar to my
daughter's response to the HP books - I had half convinced myself that
they were real.  

I haven't gone back to read the Oz books much recently, only one or
two a couple years ago.  I didn't find that I liked them as much at
that time.  I found I did not get as immersed in the stories as I had
previously.  For some reason the characters seemed vaguely annoying
and predictable.

> 3. Do you like to read fantasy in general? (Y/N)
> 
Yes I do, way too much.

> 4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy series?

This answer probably varies with the weather.  I think I would have to
say LOTR based on the sheer number of times I have read the
books. I also greatly admire Ursula LeGuin's writing style.

> 5. What do you like about that series?
> 

I like the complexity of the world that Tolkein created.  The amount
of background information results in very rich imaginary world.  

> 6. Which of the the following do you believe enhances a good fantasy
> (or fiction in general)? :
> 
    -- Interesting plotlines?   Yes
    -- Unexpected plot twists?  Yes
    -- Complex, multi-dimensional characters?  Very much
    -- Coherent, non-self-contradicting story continuity?  Yes
    -- Science fiction elements?  I like science fiction, but I don't
think science fiction elements by themself enhance any story.  
    -- Action / Adventure elements?  I like these.
    -- Romantic Elements?   To some extent
    -- Sexual Elements / Nudity?   Rarely, though it is a nice
antidote to post-election depression.  

I'd say the first four items were the most important, with item 3
ranked highest.  The last four items are relatively unimportant to me.






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 20:14:23 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:14:23 EST
Subject: Carol's thread. :)
Message-ID: <8c.18fe91b8.2ebd391f@aol.com>

>>"Carol, hoping she's not boring people who would rather talk about
British food! "<<


Hi Carol, 

Just wanted to say that I'm REALLY enjoying your perspective on the writing 
process and literature in general.  I wish I'd been one of your students.  :)  
Thanks for the insight ... I appreciate it a lot.

"Luna" ... who wishes she'd majored in Lit and not Marketing.  :)



"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Nov  5 20:45:50 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:45:50 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmdpl2+10t50@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmgopu+cluo@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Kneasy wrote:
> > >The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to measure
> accurately; half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most add another
> spoon or two just to make sure. <snip>
> 
> Pippin suggested: 
> > Grease the spoon with cooking oil and the syrup won't stick.
>  
> 
> Carol adds:
> Or spray the spoon with Spam (the cooking spray, not the canned 
> spicedham!). But that would be un-British, I guess.


Pip!Squeak adds more:
A quick experiment shows that oiling the spoon works to some extent 
on Golden Syrup. It has no effect at all on Black Treacle. But then 
I've always suspected that Black Treacle has a secret life as a 
prime component in the road surfacing industry {g} Even getting  
Black Treacle out of the tin is notoriously difficult. 

Maybe Corn syrup (which is the closest North American syrup to 
Golden syrup, I think) has a lower viscosity than Golden Syrup? That 
would explain why oiling the spoon isn't a well known tip here; it 
doesn't work so well on our (thicker) syrups. 

Pip!Squeak






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 22:35:30 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:35:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
In-Reply-To: <993600813.20041104001543@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20041105223530.26676.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com>

Dave Hardenbrook asked <snip> and Kemper answers in bold:
 
1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum and other authors? Y

2. If yes, what did you like about them?  What did you not like?
     I like strong female characters in non-traditional roles.  e.g., Ripley in 'Alien' as she kicks ass to survive, but not Ripley in 'Aliens' when she kicks ass to save Newt-- her role here is as Mother/Protector-- a traditional role for the lady folk.  Also, Dorothy is the only complete character.  All the males are missing something (heart, brain and what not).
I can't think of what I didn't like, it was a long, long time ago.

3. Do you like to read fantasy in general? Y

4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy series? Besides Potter, I like Alice's Adventures Wonderland and Behind the Looking Glass.  I believe she is the root of strong females in fantasy that can now be seen well over a hundred years later on major, fantasy video games.  Tomb Raider and Resident Evil (whose heroine's name, I think, is Alice) just to name two.

5. What do you like about that series?
Besides the strong female character, the story starts out in the Real World.  It is easier for me to fall into fantasy when it starts somewhere familiar.  One of the many reasons I enjoy Potter.

6. Which of the the following do you believe enhances a good fantasy (or fiction in general)? :

   -- Interesting plotlines?  Definitely
 
   -- Unexpected plot twists?  Yes please! (Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code was one of the most predictable books I've read, ever.  I regret finishing it.)

   -- Complex, multi-dimensional characters?  Yum Yum

   -- Coherent, non-self-contradicting story continuity?  Yes, in a single novel.  Forgivable if in a delicious series.
 
   -- Science fiction elements?  It could.  Jurasic Park and The Golden Compass used this well.

   -- Action / Adventure elements?  I likey like.

   -- Romantic Elements?  Only if it's a very sub-plot.

   -- Sexual Elements / Nudity?  Sure.




			
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From stbjohn2 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 20:54:21 2004
From: stbjohn2 at yahoo.com (stbjohn2)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:54:21 -0000
Subject: conkers
Message-ID: <cmgp9t+2i7b@eGroups.com>




I just followed a link on muggle.net to a report on filming of GOF. 
(they are somewhere in surrey, filming at a park with a lake, so 
maybe it's the 2nd task). The blogger said he/she(?) saw Emma Watson 
wearing a heavy-duty protective mask playing conkers. So what the 
heck is Conkers?  (sorry if it's been discussed before, I did a 
search until my patience ran out and couldn't find anything)
Sandy









From svalkyre at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 22:50:42 2004
From: svalkyre at aol.com (svalkyre at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:50:42 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
Message-ID: <6a.48957a32.2ebd5dc2@aol.com>


 
 

1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum  and
other authors? (Y/N) No


2. If yes, what did you like about  them?  What did you not like?


3. Do you like to read fantasy in  general? (Y/N) Yes

4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy  series?

Harry Potter now, but I have loved LOTR a long time!

5.  What do you like about that series?

The realistic picture of  interactions and the range of his imagination!

6. Which of the the  following do you believe enhances a good fantasy
(or fiction in general)?  :

-- Interesting plotlines?    Yes
-- Unexpected plot twists?  Yes
--  Complex, multi-dimensional characters?  May be my most important  
qualification
-- Coherent, non-self-contradicting story  continuity?  Yes
-- Science fiction  elements?  Not necessarily
-- Action / Adventure  elements?  I don't think you can have a good story 
without  them
-- Romantic Elements?   I can take  them or leave them, they can be very 
important in showing the interaction  between characters psychologically, mentally 
and  physically.
-- Sexual Elements / Nudity?   Not  necessarily (rarely important to the 
story for me)

Most important:  Complex Characters, Interesting Plot, Action/Adventure  
elements.



 
Denise
Every gun that is made, every warship  launched, every rocket fired 
signifies, 
in the final sense, a theft  from those who hunger and are not fed, those who 
are cold and are not  clothed.  
This world in arms is not spending money alone, It is  spending the sweat of 
its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of  its children...
Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity  hanging from a cross of  
iron.

Dwight D.  Eisenhower
April 16, 1953


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From jmmears at comcast.net  Fri Nov  5 23:48:15 2004
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:48:15 -0000
Subject: conkers
In-Reply-To: <cmgp9t+2i7b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmh3fv+g1dc@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "stbjohn2" <stbjohn2 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I just followed a link on muggle.net to a report on filming of 
GOF. 
> (they are somewhere in surrey, filming at a park with a lake, so 
> maybe it's the 2nd task). The blogger said he/she(?) saw Emma 
Watson 
> wearing a heavy-duty protective mask playing conkers. So what the 
> heck is Conkers?  (sorry if it's been discussed before, I did a 
> search until my patience ran out and couldn't find anything)
> Sandy

Hi Sandy,

I can actually answer this question, despite the fact that I'm a non-
Brit ;-).

About 10 years ago, my family and I were living in Hampshire in the 
UK while my husband was on a two year work assignment.  My daughter 
began Infant School (which is preschool/kindergarten and not for
infants at all) at age four, and had to bring home a picture book 
every night to practice reading.  One night she came home with a 
book all about children playing "Conkers", and although I could tell 
from the context that it was a game, I couldn't begin to answer her 
questions about it.  The next day, I asked her teacher about it when 
I brought her to school, and she was really shocked that we had no 
idea what it was.  She and another(English) mother quickly explained 
that it was a traditional game, played with the nuts from Horse 
Chestnut trees (found all over the ground in the autumn).

Anyway, here's a link that explains it in detail:
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/conkers.html 

Jo Serenadust






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 23:55:42 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:55:42 -0000
Subject: conkers? - Nuts to You  ; )
In-Reply-To: <cmgp9t+2i7b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmh3tu+pn26@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "stbjohn2" <stbjohn2 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I just followed a link on muggle.net to a report on filming of GOF. 
> (they are somewhere in surrey, filming at a park with a lake, so 
> maybe it's the 2nd task). The blogger said he/she(?) saw Emma Watson 
> wearing a heavy-duty protective mask playing conkers. So what the 
> heck is Conkers?  (sorry if it's been discussed before, I did a 
> search until my patience ran out and couldn't find anything)
> Sandy

bboyminn:

I'm sure many Brit's will weigh in on this with their own experience.

However, if you would like to do some research-

Woodland Junior School - Kent. UK
How to Play Conkers.
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/conkers.html

Conkers in the News- Cumbria, UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/3712764.stm

Apparently, it has something to do with knocking Horse Chestnuts
together until one of them breaks. There is also the 'String' foul
which warrants an extra shot, and the Stamps/No-Stamps rule.

And let's not forget the controversial banning of Conkers on the fear
that some student might have allergies to nuts. Although, most
commented that the only nuts they were allergic to were the nuts
running the government and schools.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)








From stbjohn2 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 01:12:01 2004
From: stbjohn2 at yahoo.com (stbjohn2)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 01:12:01 -0000
Subject: conkers? - Nuts to You  ; )
In-Reply-To: <cmh3tu+pn26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmh8d1+stdj@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
>Sandy saw a mention of Emma Watson playing conkers and asked what 
the game is. 

Steve wrote:
> 
> I'm sure many Brit's will weigh in on this with their own 
experience.
> 
> However, if you would like to do some research-
> 
> Woodland Junior School - Kent. UK
> How to Play Conkers.
> http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/conkers.html
> 
> Conkers in the News- Cumbria, UK
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/3712764.stm
> 
Sandy here:
Thanks for the links. The second one actually explains why she'd 
(Emma Watson, playing conkers during a break in GOF filming, in this 
case, tho actually why anyone would) be wearing protective gear. But 
I guess you also have to come to the playground will a drill, too, 
to  make a new conker or replace a broken one, unless conkers last a 
lot longer than one would think...
Sandy (who avoids any game that requires protective gear)








From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Nov  6 03:02:26 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:02:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
In-Reply-To: <000001c4bb61$533c9e80$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEIDDFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Rebecca K Hubbardwrote:
|
| Yb's answer:
|
| I believe Dina is close, but not quite. The "old tradition" you speak of
| is that men were expected to dress
|
| themselves, but upper-class women had handmaids to dress them, so the
| buttons were reversed on women's | button-ups to be in the correct
direction according to the handmaids'
| point-of-view.

[Lee]:

Okay, I can handle that.  <Sigh> I was on the right track, but in total
reverse. <Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Nov  6 03:15:40 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:15:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ironic - Error on Ohio voting for US President?
Message-ID: <2908.4.47.27.246.1099710940.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/005703.html

If there was 638 TOTAL ballots cast, how did Bush get 4,258 votes, not
including the 260 for Kerry?

Hehe!  Obviously, Floridians aren't the only ones who can't count.

This reminds me of the show called Street Smart or something like that. 
This one *college* student was randomly asked 'in which country is the
Tour de France held' and the student's reply was Portugal.

Dina





From sad1199 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 07:55:29 2004
From: sad1199 at yahoo.com (sad1199)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:55:29 -0000
Subject: Fantasy Survey: Can I ask you to take a moment...?
In-Reply-To: <993600813.20041104001543@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <cmi01h+rpa5@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dave Hardenbrook 
<DaveH47 at m...> wrote:
> Dear friends,
> 
> This Saturday, I will be speaking at the annual Oz Convention in 
Dana
> Point, CA, regarding the future of L. Frank Baum's "Wizard of Oz"
> series, and why it has been (thus far) largely trumped by Harry 
Potter
> and other contemporary fantasy series.  (So that many people don't 
even
> realize it *is* a series, thinking it's just an MGM movie starring
> Judy Garland!)
> 
> What I would like to find out is the general public impression of
> Oz vs. other fantasy series.  I know I'm hardly taking a scientific
> sample: a number of people whose opinions I trust + a number
> of fellow afficionados of one of Oz's rivals (Harry).  But I
> would just like to get a few opinions to get an idea...
> 
> So here's my little survey.  Thanks ahead for your participation.  
It
> will help me a lot in my speech! --
> 
> 1. Have you ever read any of the "Oz" books by L. Frank Baum and 
other
> authors? (Y/N) Yes.
> 
> 2. If yes, what did you like about them?  What did you not like? I 
read them a long time ago and only remember that I liked the detail 
involved.
> 
> 3. Do you like to read fantasy in general? (Y/N) Some.
> 
> 4. If yes, what is your favorite fantasy series?
> 
> 5. What do you like about that series?
> 
> 6. Which of the the following do you believe enhances a good 
fantasy
> (or fiction in general)? :
> 
>    xx Interesting plotlines?
>    xx Unexpected plot twists?
>    xx Complex, multi-dimensional characters?
>    xx Coherent, non-self-contradicting story continuity?
>    -- Science fiction elements?
>    xx Action / Adventure elements?
>    xx Romantic Elements?
>    -- Sexual Elements / Nudity?
> 
>    
> Thanks again!
> 
> -- 
> Dave






From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Nov  6 13:46:31 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:46:31 -0000
Subject: conkers - playground games
In-Reply-To: <cmgp9t+2i7b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmikjn+ajos@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "stbjohn2" <stbjohn2 at y...> 
wrote:
So what the heck is Conkers? 
> Sandy

Conkers are the fruit from the horse chestnut tree.  Not edible to 
humans (actually quite poisenous I think).
You drill a hole through the middle and thread string through it, 
tying a knot at the end.  Then you hold it dangling in the air and 
let your opponent hit your conker with theirs, by sort of flicking 
it.  The object of the game is to smash your opponent's conker.
Various measures have in the past been employed to strengthen conkers 
involving slow cooking in the oven and soaking in vinegar.  Every 
autumn my son had hundreds drying out on his windowsill, and it is a 
favourite pastime of parents up and down the country, picking up 
soggy but promising looking conkers from the wet leaf mulch on the 
pavement below the trees.
I believe a few schools have banned it because of the potential risk -
 but children have been playing conkers in the playground for 
generations.  Society has got more violent, not the conkers!!!
Do you play hopscotch in the US?  What about french skipping?

Sarah xx






From stbjohn2 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 14:13:09 2004
From: stbjohn2 at yahoo.com (stbjohn2)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:13:09 -0000
Subject: conkers - playground games
In-Reply-To: <cmikjn+ajos@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmim5l+o9j3@eGroups.com>


> 
Sarah wrote; 
> Do you play hopscotch in the US?  What about french skipping?
> 
> Sarah xx

Sandy:
I taught my son hopscotch and we played some when he was younger 
(he's 8 now, and we haven't played in several months), but I don't 
think I've seen anyone else in the neighborhood playing it. (I think 
of it as a girls game, and we have lots of little girls here, but 
I've never seen them play. 
Don't have a clue what french skipping is.
[And now my personal rant. We live in an area with nice weather most 
of the year, and we all have good sized yards, yet U.S. kids are 
rarely outside playing; unless it's in organized sports. My son and a 
few of his friends are big on digging in the dirt and hunting for 
frogs-- boy-type activities -- but they are often the only kids out 
playing. A clue why the average U.S. kid is overweight, no doubt.]






From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Nov  6 15:07:34 2004
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:07:34 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmgopu+cluo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmipbm+hb54@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
> <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Kneasy wrote:
> > > >The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to 
measure
> > accurately; half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most add 
another
> > spoon or two just to make sure. <snip>
> > 
> > Pippin suggested: 
> > > Grease the spoon with cooking oil and the syrup won't stick.
> >  
> > 
> > Carol adds:
> > Or spray the spoon with Spam (the cooking spray, not the canned 
> > spicedham!). But that would be un-British, I guess.
> 
> 
> Pip!Squeak adds more:
> A quick experiment shows that oiling the spoon works to some extent 
> on Golden Syrup. It has no effect at all on Black Treacle. But then 
> I've always suspected that Black Treacle has a secret life as a 
> prime component in the road surfacing industry {g} Even getting  
> Black Treacle out of the tin is notoriously difficult. 
> 
Alshain suggests:
How about placing the tin in a gently simmering bain marie for a 
couple of minutes before using it? That's at least what you're 
supposed to do with recalcitrant honey.

Hope all Brits had a lovely Bonfire Night, by the way, without 
fireworks-related injuries. Am quietly celebrating by making jacket 
potatoes for dinner, will go and put them in the oven now...






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 17:20:53 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:20:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witching Hour in Salem only convention on horizon?
In-Reply-To: <cmgdnv+sadn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041106172053.43331.qmail@web41124.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Let's see-- I think all the other conventions I knew
> of have happened 
> already-- do we know of any others that happen
> before next year's 
> October?
> 
Most definitely. Accio is happening next summer! It
takes place July 29-31, 2005 at Reading University. 

All the details can be found on the website:

http://www.accio.org.uk/

Sheryll, who hopes to see lots of wonderful HPfGU
people there!

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 18:39:21 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:39:21 -0000
Subject: Contest reminder!
Message-ID: <cmj5op+sr6t@eGroups.com>


Just a quick reminder to everyone that tomorrow, November 7th is the 
deadline for uploading your Hallowe'en photos for the Pumpkin Contest.

We've got 4 wonderful already on display in the photos section. If 
anyone has more to add, now's the time. 

At the end of the day tomorrow or Monday morning (to give those last 
minutes uploads a chance) I'll start a poll for us to vote on our 
pick for favourite pumpkin.

Sheryll
for the List Admin Team, wishing she'd been half so creative and 
something wonderful to upload






From Botbyl at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  6 15:01:24 2004
From: Botbyl at hotmail.com (Kara Botbyl)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:01:24 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: keys are driving me nuts
Message-ID: <BAY13-F18BNDIqW8Iqj0003b409@hotmail.com>




>From: "spinelli372003" <spin01 at aol.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: keys are driving me nuts
>Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 04:23:33 -0000
>
>
>ok got past the keys and the door opened found the magnifying glass
>and the paper with the trick question anyone further than that?
>sherry
>
>
>
where is the magnifying glass? and the paper!!!?

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From Botbyl at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  6 15:08:05 2004
From: Botbyl at hotmail.com (Kara Botbyl)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:08:05 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: Food - Lyle's Golden Syrup-You Make It.
Message-ID: <BAY13-F421wsXZZTHfy000405a1@hotmail.com>


Whats the answer to the first question....Oh God. I've read all the books 
atleast twice, why cant I think of it!? Im thinking of the little twigs, I 
dont remember their names, oh dear. Please someone help me!
>
>

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From hermionesg at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 03:19:37 2004
From: hermionesg at yahoo.com (hermionesg)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 03:19:37 -0000
Subject: OT: Help! (A DM/HG Plot)
Message-ID: <cmhfs9+v1sq@eGroups.com>


Hi i'm looking for someone to do this idea plot for a story. I had
two people do it but none them ever started the story. Its a DM/HG
story plot bunnie.

Plot
Draco and Hermione were brought together by a dettension from
professor snape in there fith year. They hide there realationship a
secret from everyone including Dumbledore though he suspect that
there together. Draco spend time with Hermione durring the summer at
Hermione parents she get preagnant durring that time and she tell
her parents. They support her. Durring 6th year she struggle with
Pregnancy, Homework, and Hidding the secret from Harry and Ron.
Durring Hogmeads trip she geos into Labor and draco pays someone to
help them and keep it a secret. They give the child to the grangers
for protection while there at school. Harry start acting wierd
towards Hermione because he start falling for her. One night he over
hear Hermione and Draco getting ready by a portkey from snape(snape
find out about them after she got pregnat.) and he see them
snogging. He goes balistic.

I have more of this if anyone interest. I also have a timeline that
Granger2Malfoy worked gor me. So if anyone interested. Pleeease
reply. But if you reply I want the person to at least have a chapter
done with in a week when you reply to me.

Thanks
Chrissy

***A note from the list elves:  Please direct responses to this post to Chrissy off-list.  Thank you!***








From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Nov  6 19:14:24 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:14:24 -0000
Subject: Conker Game Rules - Ali style
Message-ID: <cmj7qg+n844@eGroups.com>


There are different variations on the rules in a Conker 
championship, although the aim remains the same: to smash as many of 
your opponents conkers as possible.

In the variation which I played, if you managed to smash someone 
else's conker, your conker became a "oner". If you smashed a second 
conker, your conker became a "twoer" and so on. but, if the conker 
you smasher had already smashed a conker or two, you were entitled 
to add that score to your conker. Thus if your twoer smashed a 
fiver, your conker became an eighter.

My husband had a conker competition at work this week (he was 
knocked out in the first round!). But it was considered cheating to 
bake a conker in the oven, soak it in vinegar or even use a battle-
hardened one from previous years.

I suppose I can understand Emma Watson wearing a protective mask to 
play conkers as it's possibly not worth the risk to a film star. But 
I never really felt people were at risk from the disintegrating 
conker. They were more liable to be hurt by being hit over the hit 
with a conker - it hurts!

Ali

Summoning you to Accio: http://www.accio.org.uk






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Nov  6 20:10:20 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:10:20 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005
In-Reply-To: <20041106172053.43331.qmail@web41124.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cmjb3c+33bp@eGroups.com>


Sheryll wrote:
> Accio is happening next summer! It
> takes place July 29-31, 2005 at Reading University. 
> 
> All the details can be found on the website:
> 
> http://www.accio.org.uk/
> 
> Sheryll, who hopes to see lots of wonderful HPfGU
> people there!

as well as the rest of us: I'm going.

David






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 22:34:48 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:34:48 -0000
Subject: Brit-...: Food - Golden Syrup- TWIGS?
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-F421wsXZZTHfy000405a1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <cmjji8+bo3v@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kara Botbyl" <Botbyl at h...> wrote:
> 
> Whats the answer to the first question... why cant I think of it!?
> I'm thinking of the little twigs, I dont remember their names, oh 
> dear. Please someone help me!


bboyminn:

The post you are responding to seems to have been deleted so I can't
imagine what you are talking about.

Are these /Twigs/ related to food?

The only twigs of any significants that I can think of are the Tree
Guardians called Bowtruckles; small, typically less than 8 inches,
appearing to be made of twig and bark with two small brown eyes and
two sharp long fingers on each hand. Usually found in trees with wood
suitable for wands.

Not sure if that helps. If not, give us a few more details and I'm
sure we can solve the mystery.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 00:11:34 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:11:34 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: keys are driving me nuts
Message-ID: <92.18f12973.2ebec236@aol.com>

Did you type in chapters?  Then put your cursor on the drawer handle and 
pull....then click on the papers sticking out of the notebook.

hope this helps, Mum Weasley


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 02:26:56 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:26:56 EST
Subject: bonfire night?
Message-ID: <82.1a859ef1.2ebee1f0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/6/2004 8:23:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Hope all Brits had a lovely Bonfire Night, by the way, without 
> fireworks-related injuries.

Bonfire night?  Whats that?

"Luna" 
(the obvious American who has no clue what bonfire night is.)

------------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov  7 05:02:15 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 7 Nov 2004 05:02:15 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1099803735.23.89290.m8@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 7, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 08:37:03 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:37:03 -0000
Subject: bonfire night?
In-Reply-To: <82.1a859ef1.2ebee1f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmkmrf+kv5g@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/6/2004 8:23:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> > Hope all Brits had a lovely Bonfire Night, by the way, without 
> > fireworks-related injuries.

> 
> Bonfire night?  Whats that?
> 
> "Luna" 
> (the obvious American who has no clue what bonfire night is.)

Pip!Squeak:
Remember, remember, the Fifth of November
Gunpowder Treason and Plot
There is no reason why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.
{g}
(There are lots of small variations on this song; that's the one I 
know)

You can find a website about the history behind Bonfire Night here: 
http://www.bonefire.org/guy/ and here: 
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/Guy.html

I rather like the Woodlands Junior School version. But basically, 
Bonfire Night commemorates the preservation of the then King, James 
I and the houses of Parliament by the discovery of a plot to blow 
them up; the plot was discovered on November 5th 1605, when the 
gunpowder was already in the basement of Parliament.

The event is commemorated with bonfires, huge outdoor fires that 
sometimes get out of control. Because one of the leading traitors 
(Guy Fawkes) was executed by burning, there's often a stuffed effigy 
on top. Sometimes the effigy bears a notable resemblance to a more 
modern unpopular person. Fireworks are let off in great profusion 
(it was a *Gunpowder* plot, see {g}) and there is much eating of 
baked potatoes, burnt sausages, treacle toffee, and sometimes a 
traditional cake called 'parkin', which is a bit like a ginger cake 
with oatmeal in it.

It's also the reason why Halloween isn't a very big festival in 
Britain; Bonfire Night is so close to it that it, not Halloween, has 
become the main 'hello, winter!' festival.

Pip!Squeak






From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  7 09:35:18 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:35:18 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmdpl2+10t50@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmkq8m+obnu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Kneasy wrote:
> > >The recipe says 6 tbsp - but that's almost impossible to measure
> accurately; half the syrup stays on the spoon! So  most add another
> spoon or two just to make sure. <snip>
> 
> Pippin suggested: 
> > Grease the spoon with cooking oil and the syrup won't stick.
>  
> 
> Carol adds:
> Or spray the spoon with Spam (the cooking spray, not the canned 
spiced
> ham!). But that would be un-British, I guess.
> 
> Carol

 
  I think that's "Pam" spray.  Spam spray would add an unpleasantly 
porky flavor/flavour to any sort of syrup!  But it would be an 
effective greaser.

-Andromeda






From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Nov  7 11:02:05 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:02:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: I have no class... watching Drawn Together
Message-ID: <3645.4.47.27.246.1099825325.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Okay, I had a 'guilty pleasure' of watching the Man Show on Comedy Central
and now Drawn Together manages to amuse me... {shakes head}

Summary of characters:
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-21914/

A computer wallpaper that's generally not considered worksafe:
http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/drawntogether/images/wall2-800x600.jpg

Hm, blond + pointy features = gay.  Poor Legolas... *coughdracocough* and
now Legend of Zelda's Link... in a thong?

Just when you thought Americans air freaky sh!t on TV, Channel 4 is trying
to do a documentary displaying the progress of a decomposing human.  Last
I read, they were seeking a terminally ill person to donate their body. 
Ironically, the article I was reading contained a banner sponsoring
classified ads and I had this visual of a want advertisement for such a
volunteer.

Dina





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Nov  7 11:09:28 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:09:28 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn Together
References: <3645.4.47.27.246.1099825325.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <014d01c4c4ba$40ac2080$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<now Legend of Zelda's Link... in a
thong?>

*pokes head up from drug induced
stupor*  What?  Where?

<Hm, blond + pointy features = gay.>

Er...Duh.  *smirks*

Sorry, I'm hopped up on pain killers,
my brain has fled.

Saitaina
****
'The majority of older boys, like the
pupils of Christ's Hospital whose dress
is even stranger, favour retention of
their uniform...There is no better cure
for self-consciousness...than to walk
the streets for five years in tails.'

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Nov  7 11:44:07 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:44:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn Together
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You're still up late... or very early. {g}

Saitaina said:

> *pokes head up from drug induced
> stupor*  What?  Where?

Drawn Together's Xandir spoofs Link, and I've watched the series so
far--which I'm estimating won't last long--and I'm certain he's wearing a
thong with a loin cloth up front.

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/drawntogether/bios.jhtml?b=6

The description starts out: Xandir is an attractive, young, hairless video
game warrior on a never-ending quest to save his "girlfriend".

Although, if you click his 'application', it sort of reads like Cassie
Claire's Secret Diaries where Legolas goes on about his hair and how
pretty he is.

All the characters make for... peculiar reading.


> Sorry, I'm hopped up on pain killers,
> my brain has fled.

No apology needed.  Just take care of yourself. {hugs}

Dina




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Nov  7 11:50:04 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:50:04 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn Together
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Dina wrote:

<Drawn Together's Xandir spoofs Link,>

Hmm, interesting...but I'm too in love
with the actual Link to gush.  But
Xandir IS better then an actual
licensed Link I've seen from an ill
fated game system.  That one was a
little too...happy for my tastes
(okay...if he was any gayer he'd be
rainbow coloured).

Er...sorry, I'm Zelda obsessed.  I once
played Ocarina of Time for five months
straight...of course I was doing a
walkthrough at the time but still.

<No apology needed.  Just take care of
yourself>

Trying but with varying complications
and allergic reactions it's hard to do
much of anything but stare blankly at
my Tom Felton poster.  I don't even
have the strength to pop in SS or CoS
and watch it...heck I can't even sit
here and watch your vids at they're too
long..which sucks big time.  Oh, by the
way, showed Mere your Mad World vid,
she rather liked it though like another
vid called Creation of Man better (a
Gildroy Lockhart vid that says man was
created solely to wear high fashion
clothes).  Honestly, woman has odd
tastes.

Saitaina
****
'The majority of older boys, like the
pupils of Christ's Hospital whose dress
is even stranger, favour retention of
their uniform...There is no better cure
for self-consciousness...than to walk
the streets for five years in tails.'

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Nov  7 11:52:57 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:52:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Addendum Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn 
     Together
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I wrote:

> The description starts out: Xandir is an attractive, young,
> hairless video game warrior on a never-ending quest to save
> his "girlfriend".
>
> Although, if you click his 'application', it sort of reads
> like Cassie Claire's Secret Diaries where Legolas goes on

Sometimes, the wrong applications pop up.  Just look for 'Name: The Legend
of Xandir' to pop-up.

Heh, Xandir's height is the same as Tom Felton's.

Dina




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 15:10:43 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:10:43 -0000
Subject: Bonfire night
Message-ID: <cmldtj+f76h@eGroups.com>


Sorry to nitpick, but Guy Fawkes wasn't executed by burning, but by 
hanging, followed by drawing and quartering, the usual sentence for a 
traitor.  Being an ex-soldier, he had the sense to jump from the 
scaffold, thus breaking his neck and enabling him to die quickly. The 
one place where Bonfire Night (or Guy Fawkes night as it is sometimes 
known) is not celebrated, is at Guy's old school in York, wherethey 
prefer not to dishonour the memory of an old boy.  Personally, I 
think it is time we did away with the nonsense.  The hospitals are 
invariably filled with victims of mis-handled fireworks and people 
who have mis-judged the distance of the bonfires.  I just say a 
prayer for Guy Fawkes, a mis-guided but incredibly brave man, who 
submitted to torture for days, rather than betray his friends.

Sylvia






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov  7 16:02:24 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 7 Nov 2004 16:02:24 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1099843344.12.91877.m21@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 7, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 18:45:07 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:45:07 -0000
Subject: Conker Game Rules - Ali style
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> Ali:
> I suppose I can understand Emma Watson wearing a protective mask 
> to play conkers as it's possibly not worth the risk to a film 
star. 

Pip!Squeak:
The safety masks may well have been at the request of the production 
people. If you think about it, by the time you've added up the hours 
of filming lost to take one of the stars to Accident and Emergency 
to have the bit of conker removed from their eye - then the hours 
lost and the frantic re-scheduling the next day because make-up 
can't hide the swollen eye and it doesn't match previous scenes 
shot ... well, a safety mask suddenly seems much less expensive and 
using it a lot more reasonable {g}

Ali:
> ButI never really felt people were at risk from the disintegrating 
> conker. They were more liable to be hurt by being hit over the hit 
> with a conker - it hurts!
> 
> Ali
 
Pip!Squeak:
Well do I remember. But then, you can hide *those* bruises with make 
up  {vbg}

Pip!Squeak






From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Nov  7 20:32:04 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:32:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn Together
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Saitaina said:

> licensed Link I've seen from an ill
> fated game system.  That one was a
> little too...happy for my tastes
> (okay...if he was any gayer he'd be
> rainbow coloured).

{chuckle}  Like Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street?  Now there's an 'old
married couple'.


> Er...sorry, I'm Zelda obsessed.  I once
> played Ocarina of Time for five months
> straight...of course I was doing a
> walkthrough at the time but still.

I never really got into video games and missed how... out there some
characters can get.  Last time was back in the 1980s with Atari
2600--yeah, archaic.  Technology has *definitely* improved since then.


> clothes).  Honestly, woman has odd
> tastes.

{g}  I have an idea for a vid but I royally f*cked up (safe mode doesn't
even work) my editing computer recently. :-(  I get the Blue Screen of
Death with an error about inaccessible boot drive and don't have the
proper disks for repair.  Have to put aside the money ($40-60/hour) for a
techguy since the computer was a 'handmade' model a couple years ago and
under no warranty.

I could edit on this machine but I only have four gigs of free space,
which is very cramped for video editing, and the CD burner died a couple
years ago.

Anyway, take it easy, sending you get well soon wishes, and enjoy the view
of Ferret Boy. {g}

Dina




From joseph at kirtland.com  Sun Nov  7 21:34:01 2004
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:34:01 -0000
Subject: bonfire night?
In-Reply-To: <cmkmrf+kv5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmm4c9+1hdm@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...>
wrote:

> Pip!Squeak:
> Remember, remember, the Fifth of November
> Gunpowder Treason and Plot
> There is no reason why gunpowder treason
> Should ever be forgot.
> {g}
> (There are lots of small variations on this song; that's the one I 
> know)
>

There's a lot of various verses to the song.  Here's one that is most
profound - one that relates directly to the Catholics, whose
mistreatment was the reasoning behind Guy's plot:

"Burn him in a tub of tar
Burn him like a blazing star
Burn his body from his head
Then we'll say the old Pope's dead"

I'm American, and went to a Catholic grammer school in California.  We
actually learned several verses of the song, and about the religious
persecution that existed in Britain at the time, especially between
the Anglicans and the Catholics.  I learned the "Remember, remember"
as you quoted it.

King James is also the one who had the Bible commissioned that is
perhaps the most well-known throughout the English speaking world.

Guy Fawkes Night, Bonfire Night, etc was also practised in early
Colonial America, and scattered areas of the USA still apparently
celebrate.  It was, for reasons I don't know, commonly referred to as
Pope's Night in America.  

What I'm curious to know is if this is a day everyone celebrates today
in Britain.  Would the Catholics, for example, participate in a
festival that was originally a sign of persecution against them?

Joe 







From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Nov  8 00:45:57 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:45:57 -0000
Subject: bonfire night?
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" 
<pipdowns at e...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Pip!Squeak:
> > Remember, remember, the Fifth of November
> > Gunpowder Treason and Plot
> > There is no reason why gunpowder treason
> > Should ever be forgot.
> > {g}
> > (There are lots of small variations on this song; that's the one 
> > I know)
> >
> Joe writes:
> There's a lot of various verses to the song.  Here's one that is 
> most profound - one that relates directly to the Catholics, whose
> mistreatment was the reasoning behind Guy's plot:
> 
> "Burn him in a tub of tar
> Burn him like a blazing star
> Burn his body from his head
> Then we'll say the old Pope's dead"
> 
> I'm American, and went to a Catholic grammer school in 
California.  We
> actually learned several verses of the song, and about the 
> religious persecution that existed in Britain at the time, 
> especially between the Anglicans and the Catholics.  I learned 
> the "Remember, remember" as you quoted it.

Pip!Squeak:
Religious persecution is almost too mild a phrase; Europe in the 
Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries was a constantly bubbling 
religious war. England, as one of the Protestant countries, had 
several invasion attempts made against her by Catholic powers (Drake 
and the Spanish Armada is the most famous). 

So the Catholics within England were under automatic suspicion - it 
was invariably assumed that they didn't see the Protestant 
government as a legitimate government and would therefore support 
the Catholic enemy powers. Which some did. Giving the basically 
loyal rest a very bad name. It wasn't until the early nineteenth 
century that we got full political emancipation; and the dying 
embers of the religious wars can still be seen in Northern Ireland. 

Probably the closest modern equivalent to those English Roman 
Catholics is that of the Palestinians within Israel  - there's an 
automatic (and untrue) assumption that they're *all* opposed to the 
existence of the state of Israel, and *all* potential terrorists.



<snip>
> Joe:
> Guy Fawkes Night, Bonfire Night, etc was also practised in early
> Colonial America, and scattered areas of the USA still apparently
> celebrate.  It was, for reasons I don't know, commonly referred to 
> as Pope's Night in America.  
> 
> What I'm curious to know is if this is a day everyone celebrates 
> today in Britain.  Would the Catholics, for example, participate 
> in a festival that was originally a sign of persecution against 
them?

Pip!Squeak:
Well, I was educated in a Convent school, so the answer is 
probably 'yes'. But frankly, Guy Fawkes is remembered in popular 
British lore simply as a traitor - the man who tried to blow up 
Parliament. It's generally only when kids study the origins of 
Bonfire Night that they find out that the Catholic/Protestant wars 
were behind the treason. 

Pip!Squeak







From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Nov  8 02:33:36 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:33:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: LOTR:FOTR on WB now
Message-ID: <3943.4.47.27.246.1099881216.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Gah, it's been some time since I've watched the first LOTR movie, even
though I have both DVD sets.

Amazing effects and all.  I guess I don't watch it as often is because...
hm, how do I phrase it... the trilogy is very... heavy?  Intense?

Love it but... I get goosebumps.

As much as the first two HP movies are criticized, they crack me up and
make for 'easy' watching or background noise since I'm not really a music
person.

Dina




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Nov  8 12:51:18 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:51:18 -0000
Subject: bonfire night?
In-Reply-To: <cmmfk5+s9j0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmnq46+iiu0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:

> Religious persecution is almost too mild a phrase; Europe in the 
> Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries was a constantly bubbling 
> religious war. England, as one of the Protestant countries, had 
> several invasion attempts made against her by Catholic powers (Drake 
> and the Spanish Armada is the most famous). 
> 
> So the Catholics within England were under automatic suspicion - it 
> was invariably assumed that they didn't see the Protestant 
> government as a legitimate government and would therefore support 
> the Catholic enemy powers. Which some did. Giving the basically 
> loyal rest a very bad name. It wasn't until the early nineteenth 
> century that we got full political emancipation; and the dying 
> embers of the religious wars can still be seen in Northern Ireland. 
>

Politics was a rough game in those days; the losers usually ended up
on the scaffold. And  religion wasn't noted for brotherly love and
tolerance either.

The odd thing is - although Fawkes is the one that's best remembered
he wasn't the leader of the Plot, that was Catesby. But it was Fawkes 
(previously a mercenary and soldier of fortune) who  was found 
crouching with his dark lantern among barrels of gunpowder in the 
cellars under Parliament.

This was the third plot uncovered in quite a short time span, all
associated with replacing the English Protestant Succession with a 
Catholic regime (the others were the Main Plot and the Bye Plot).
Invariably such plots were instigated by people of some standing,
the gentry or minor aristocracy. It was assumed that once they
had succeeded the proles would fall into line and do as they're told.

Not necessarily a valid assumption (as evidenced forty years later
by the Civil War).  
One of the most widely read books of the time was Foxe's Book of 
Martyrs, which chronicled the horrors of the last time there was a 
Catholic ruler - Bloody Mary. Hundreds had been publically burned 
for professing their Protestant faith. In effect, the Inquisition had been
brought to England. The risk of any repetition was greeted with public
horror and judicial violence for the next 200 years. They had long folk 
memories in those days.

Elizabeth (who succeeded her) tried to lower  the level of fanaticism 
("I will make no window into men's souls.") But the Pope declared open 
season on her, assassination would not be a sin, dethroning her was a 
Catholic duty. Catholics in England were caught in a cleft stick; if they
were 'good' Catholics they were automatically potential traitors to the
Crown. Most of them just wanted to get on with living a quiet life,
practising their religion discreetly. Political power-plays made this
all but impossible for generations. 

Even so, some of the most powerful in the land still practised the Old 
Religion and that was the downfall of the Gunpowder Plot. Word got 
around, there were those who didn't want Catholic Lords blown up with
the rest - and one of them revealed the Plot to the authorities.

Public shock!horror. The equivalent in today's terms in the US would
be the mass murder of House and Senate, along  with the members of
the Supreme Court - while they were being addressed by the President.
No small thing; not a cry for religious freedom but an attempted regime
change by decapitation. 

Given the paranoia of the times the surprising thing was how few were
executed. The London crowd were a blood-thirsty lot, they really
enjoyed an entertaining execution (always have done - right up until
public executions were discontinued in the 19th Century there were 
always big crowds at Tyburn, swelling to hundreds of thousands for
the 'turning off' of someone well-known or particularly notorious).

And executions for treason were the most spectacular. Dragged to the
killing ground backwards on a hurdle, partially strangled by hanging, 
cut down while alive, castrated and eviscerated and their organs burnt
in front of their eyes while still alive, then quartered and the body pieces
placed on prominent buildings or gates to the city. For men only, of
course;  women traitors were burnt -  it was considered unseemly to
expose their bodies during the cutting phase.

If, as has been reported, Fawkes did manage to break his neck by 
jumping, then it can only have been with the connivance of the 
executioner. Ropes were deliberately kept short so that this couldn't 
happen, but with a large enough bribe.... Had to be careful, though.
There were instances where the crowd rioted when they thought they'd 
been short-changed on the fun and games. And we complain about
violence on TV. Ah, well, O tempora! O mores!

Personally I support the continuance of traditions like Bonfire Night;
these days it's the only way kids have an opportunity to learn any
history at all.

Kneasy
 
 







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Mon Nov  8 14:01:21 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 8 Nov 2004 14:01:21 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter 
Message-ID: <1099922481.109.43387.w51@yahoogroups.com>



Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-OTChatter group:

Vote for your favourite Hallowe'en 
pumpkin of 2004. One vote per person, 
voting to end on November 14th. Photos 
can be found in the photos section of 
this group, in the folder titled "2004 
Pumpkin contest". 

  o Cat pumpkin 
  o Slytherin Snake pumpkin 
  o Spider pumpkin 
  o Wolf pumpkin 


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
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Thanks!

 









From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Nov  8 16:57:12 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:57:12 EST
Subject: Bonfire night
Message-ID: <8c.192f266a.2ec0ff68@aol.com>

>>"I rather like the Woodlands Junior School version. But basically, 
Bonfire Night commemorates the preservation of the then King, James 
I and the houses of Parliament by the discovery of a plot to blow 
them up; the plot was discovered on November 5th 1605, when the 
gunpowder was already in the basement of Parliament.

The event is commemorated with bonfires, huge outdoor fires that 
sometimes get out of control. Because one of the leading traitors 
(Guy Fawkes) was executed by burning, there's often a stuffed effigy 
on top. Sometimes the effigy bears a notable resemblance to a more 
modern unpopular person. Fireworks are let off in great profusion 
(it was a *Gunpowder* plot, see {g}) and there is much eating of 
baked potatoes, burnt sausages, treacle toffee, and sometimes a 
traditional cake called 'parkin', which is a bit like a ginger cake 
with oatmeal in it.

It's also the reason why Halloween isn't a very big festival in 
Britain; Bonfire Night is so close to it that it, not Halloween, has 
become the main 'hello, winter!' festival."<<

Pip!Squeak


Thanks so much for the indepth explanation!  I have never heard of that, and 
I am a lover of history, so thanks for the information.  Did you go out and 
celebrate?  :)

"Luna"


------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Nov  8 17:03:03 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:03:03 EST
Subject: Bonfire night
Message-ID: <d5.1abc80ad.2ec100c7@aol.com>

>>"The hospitals are invariably filled with victims of mis-handled fireworks 
"<<

This sounds like our 4th of July only in that the idiots with illegal 
fireworks, or who light them off in wrong ways or areas manage to lose limbs or 
scorch themselves!!  Of course our 4th is a celebration of Independance and not a 
thwarted terror-like attack.  Just thought the above quote sounded like what 
happens here a lot on the 4th.  :)

"Luna"

---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Mon Nov  8 19:12:27 2004
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:12:27 -0000
Subject: Bonfire night
In-Reply-To: <d5.1abc80ad.2ec100c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmoger+h5k1@eGroups.com>


> LunaLovesHarry:
>
> This sounds like our 4th of July only in that the idiots with
illegal 
> fireworks, or who light them off in wrong ways or areas manage to
lose limbs or 
> scorch themselves!!  Of course our 4th is a celebration of
Independance and not a 
> thwarted terror-like attack.  Just thought the above quote sounded
like what 
> happens here a lot on the 4th.  :)


kjirstem:

This thread is making me wonder if someday 9/11 will be observed in a
similar manner in the US.  Though, since the attack wasn't thwarted,
perhaps not.  Besides, mid-Sept is usually a bad time for bonfires. 
Still, one wonders.  

I know the name Fawkes is appropriate for Dumbledore's phoenix given
the association with burning Guy Fawkes effigies on the fire, but what
about the link with a traitor?  Has that been discussed on the main
list?  I've never thought about that particular aspect of his name before.


kjirstem - please, please don't eviscerate me ... I don't want to be
burned or hanged either...






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Nov  8 19:18:59 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:18:59 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn Together
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Dina wrote:

<Last time was back in the 1980s with
Atari
2600--yeah, archaic.  Technology has
*definitely* improved since then.>

Just slightly.  Though I miss the
Atari, and let me take a moment to be
pissed that my Mere SOLD MY ATARI...god
that would have been worth money by
now.  One of the originals in game
play.  Luckily my Nintendo collection
is intact...and I've had her swear on
her own life she won't touch it (I have
a Nintendo game system, Super Nintendo,
Nintendo 64, Game Cube, original Game
Boy, Game Boy Colour and Game Boy
Advanced).

Can you tell I enjoy video games?
Although my computer game collection
out ranks my vid game one.  I have
about fifty computer games..or more, I
haven't counted in a while.  *eyes her
7th Guest cd*  Hmm, I should play some
of my games, I DO need to finish a
Majora's Mask Walk through...

<I have an idea for a vid>

Share, share...SSSSHHHAAARRRREEEEEE.
Is it slashy?  Which reminds me, have
you read Weather is Here, Wish You Were
Beautiful?  I wanted to know what you
thought of the dance scene in the last
chapter if you do.  I respect your
opinion and if you think it sucks then
I need to change something.

<the Blue Screen of
Death >

*stabs Blue Screen of Death*

Hmm, your problem's beyond my spit and
duct tape repair skills.  I've never
paid to have my pos repaired, doing it
myself.  Of course, I've owned my Astro
for eight years and refuse to work with
either Gateway or Microsoft after they
thought it would be fun to charge me
PER MINUTE just to talk to them.  Might
take me six monthes to fix it but it's
easier to do it on my own.

<Anyway, take it easy, sending you get
well soon wishes, and enjoy the view
of Ferret Boy.>

Send me anti nausia wishes.  Stupid
allergies.  And I would enjoy the view
if Ferret Boy would stop appearing in
every dream I have including one where
I'm predicting my own death (really, in
my dream I pulled a Trawlany).

Saitaina
****
'The majority of older boys, like the
pupils of Christ's Hospital whose dress
is even stranger, favour retention of
their uniform...There is no better cure
for self-consciousness...than to walk
the streets for five years in tails.'

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Nov  8 20:23:43 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:23:43 -0000
Subject: Bonfire night
In-Reply-To: <cmoger+h5k1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmokkf+ah17@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kjirstem" <stonehenge.orders at v...> wrote:
> 
> I know the name Fawkes is appropriate for Dumbledore's phoenix given
> the association with burning Guy Fawkes effigies on the fire, but what
> about the link with a traitor?  Has that been discussed on the main
> list?  I've never thought about that particular aspect of his name before.
> 
> 
> kjirstem - please, please don't eviscerate me ... I don't want to be
> burned or hanged either...

Hmm! I like it!
No, not the evisceration bit, well - maybe, just a smidgeon - but the Fawkes
bit.
If you don't mind I'll brood on that and see if I can come up with something
suitably outrageous.

Kneasy






From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Mon Nov  8 20:29:23 2004
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:29:23 -0000
Subject: Bonfire night
In-Reply-To: <cmokkf+ah17@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmokv3+mt0v@eGroups.com>


Kneasy:
> No, not the evisceration bit, well - maybe, just a smidgeon - but
the >Fawkes bit.
> If you don't mind I'll brood on that and see if I can come up with
something suitably outrageous.
> 
> Kneasy


kjirstem:

Oh, excellent!  And more fuel for the fire - there is the whole
conspiracy aspect as well.  Seems you might do that justice.








From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Nov  8 22:01:56 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:01:56 EST
Subject: Fawkes and Fawkes?
Message-ID: <141.38638390.2ec146d4@aol.com>

Is Fawkes in the HP stories spelled the same as the executed Fawkes?  Could 
there be some underlying correlation JK has drawn?  I'm enjoying reading all 
about this man and his plot ... thanks for the lesson in European history.  As I 
was reading through your posts though, I wondered about our friend the 
Phoenix?!

Thoughts?

"Luna"

---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From richard at sc.lug.org.uk  Mon Nov  8 20:26:02 2004
From: richard at sc.lug.org.uk (Richard Smedley)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:26:02 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: bonfire night?
In-Reply-To: <1099938214.7256.71739.m12@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1099938214.7256.71739.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <33949.62.252.212.99.1099945562.squirrel@ecmail.its-linux.co.uk>



> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" wrote:
>> What I'm curious to know is if this is a day everyone celebrates
>> today in Britain.  Would the Catholics, for example, participate
>> in a festival that was originally a sign of persecution against
> them?

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" wrote:
> Well, I was educated in a Convent school, so the answer is
> probably 'yes'. But frankly, Guy Fawkes is remembered in popular
> British lore simply as a traitor - the man who tried to blow up
> Parliament. It's generally only when kids study the origins of
> Bonfire Night that they find out that the Catholic/Protestant wars
> were behind the treason.

Hmm, I grew up (in the 60s and 70s) taught that Guy Fawkes
was something of a hero, for nearly destroying parliament :-)

Most people I know today seem to hold similar views, and I
remember seeing posters up in Liverpool at this time of
year in the 1980s saying ``Guy Fawkes - the only sane man
to enter parliament'' accompanying a lino-cut picture of
the man.

Of course few people I know actually want to *kill*
politicians, it's just that whichever way you vote, you
always end up with a government :-/

 - Richard

\Me returns to reading about the religious wars of the
fourth century :^)

-- 
Grants for Free Software development in the UK:
http://www.affs.org.uk/grants/index.html










From Ali at zymurgy.org  Mon Nov  8 22:13:55 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:13:55 -0000
Subject: Conker Game Rules - Ali style
In-Reply-To: <cmj7qg+n844@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmor33+vokt@eGroups.com>


I had written:

> My husband had a conker competition at work this week (he was 
> knocked out in the first round!). But it was considered cheating 
to bake a conker in the oven, soak it in vinegar or even use a 
battle-hardened one from previous years.

Well, here are the rules:


<<<The Fifth Annual Met. Dept. Conkers Tournament: Conkertition 2004

The Rules

Paper/scissors/stone to determine who starts 
Keep hitting until you miss 
Strings=miss 
No stampsies. Be nice. Well, be a bit nice. 
No performance enhancing substances, for player or conker. 
This year's conkers only 
Full body armour must be worn for all games. >>>

I can't believe they used scissors/stone/paper to decide who 
started. But then again, I was surprised that they were playing 
conkers at all. Tim is trying to tell me it's a cultural experience 
for all the international students. I believe that it's them all 
acting out the part of mad scientists!

Ali
 
Summoning you to Accio: http://www.accio.org.uk






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 23:11:01 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:11:01 -0000
Subject: Carol's thread. :)
In-Reply-To: <8c.18fe91b8.2ebd391f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmoue5+ajq5@eGroups.com>


> >>"Carol, hoping she's not boring people who would rather talk about
> British food! "<<
> 
> 
> Hi Carol, 
> 
> Just wanted to say that I'm REALLY enjoying your perspective on the
writing process and literature in general.  I wish I'd been one of
your students.  :)  
> Thanks for the insight ... I appreciate it a lot.
> 
> "Luna" ... who wishes she'd majored in Lit and not Marketing.  :)


Thank you and you're very welcome! I'd have loved having such an
enthusiastic student in my classes. (I haven't taught since 1998. I've
switched to editing.) Lit majors have one big disadvantage--it's hard
to find a job that pays well. A Marketing major with a Lit minor might
not be bad--one for the job opportunities and the other for cultural
and intellectual enrichment. . . . 

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 23:31:34 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:31:34 -0000
Subject: Mathematically and geographically challenged (Was: Ironic - Error on Ohio voting
In-Reply-To: <2908.4.47.27.246.1099710940.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cmovkm+4sb9@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote: 
<snip link> 
> If there was 638 TOTAL ballots cast, how did Bush get 4,258 votes, not
> including the 260 for Kerry?
> 
> Hehe!  Obviously, Floridians aren't the only ones who can't count.
> 
> This reminds me of the show called Street Smart or something like that. 
> This one *college* student was randomly asked 'in which country is the
> Tour de France held' and the student's reply was Portugal.
> 
> 


Along the same lines, I know a young (American) man in his early
thirties who thinks Afghanistan is in South America! Was he taught
geography at all?

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 23:46:08 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:46:08 -0000
Subject: conkers - playground games
In-Reply-To: <cmikjn+ajos@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmp0g0+sudv@eGroups.com>


> Do you play hopscotch in the US?  What about french skipping?
> 
> Sarah xx

Carol:
When I was in elementary school, ages ago, we had a hopscotch pattern
(whatever it's called) painted right onto an asphalt section of the
playground. All the little girls played it (by the rules--we taught
each other). It was that or jumprope. When I got older and attended a
different school, we played "Chinese hopscotch" (all squares, no
two-footed rectangles and no rounded space at the end) or jacks (with
a golf ball) or dodgeball. We were required to wear skirts or dresses
to school--no pants even on very cold days and three feet of snow--so
our activities were more limited than the boys. (We also played string
games like cat's cradle and there was a spool-knitting fad when I was
in seventh grade. You could do that and talk at the same time.)

These days I have no idea what the children play, but I saw a colored
hopscotch diagram on a carpet in a children's waiting room the other
day, but the little girl who was trying to play it had no idea that
you were supposed to throw the rock in every square in sequence and
that if you step on a line, you lose your turn. (At least, that's how
we played it when I was a child.)

French skipping? Is that some sort of jumprope game?

Blue bells, cockle shells, eevey, ivy, over.

Carol






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Nov  8 23:50:30 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:50:30 -0000
Subject: Mathematically and geographically challenged
In-Reply-To: <cmovkm+4sb9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmp0o6+q2p9@eGroups.com>


Carol wrote:
> 
> Along the same lines, I know a young (American) man in his early
> thirties who thinks Afghanistan is in South America! Was he taught
> geography at all?

Perhaps he knows something we don't.  Who knows what Rumsfeld is 
plotting?

David








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 23:55:14 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:55:14 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <cmipbm+hb54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmp112+1v9n@eGroups.com>


Pip!Squeak:
> > A quick experiment shows that oiling the spoon works to some
extent> on Golden Syrup. It has no effect at all on Black Treacle. But
then I've always suspected that Black Treacle has a secret life as a
prime component in the road surfacing industry {g} Even getting Black
Treacle out of the tin is notoriously difficult. 
> > 
> Alshain suggests:
> How about placing the tin in a gently simmering bain marie for a 
couple of minutes before using it? That's at least what you're 
> supposed to do with recalcitrant honey. 
> Hope all Brits had a lovely Bonfire Night, by the way, without 
fireworks-related injuries. Am quietly celebrating by making jacket
potatoes for dinner, will go and put them in the oven now...

Carol:
Light corn syrup is perfectly transparent and colorless. Dark corn
syrup, IIRC. si more the color of maple syrup. Neither is golden. As
for treacle, I could have sworn it came from a treacle well. (Elsie,
Lacie, and Tillie, anyone?) ;-)

Bain marie? jacket potatoes? I'm guessing that the latter is baked
potatoes with the skins on (the only way I know of to bake a potato.)
No idea at all for the first.

Carol, whose only experience with bonfires was at high school
Homecoming, when we didn't burn anyone in effigy, not even the captain
of the opposing (American football) team






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov  9 00:00:53 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:00:53 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Mathematically and geographically challenged
References: <cmp0o6+q2p9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003901c4c5ef$2e2eef60$69206bd5@kathryn>


>
> Carol wrote:
> >
> > Along the same lines, I know a young (American) man in his early
> > thirties who thinks Afghanistan is in South America! Was he taught
> > geography at all?
>
> Perhaps he knows something we don't.  Who knows what Rumsfeld is
> plotting?
>
> David
>
>
I can see that argument being used - no, no, we're still after Osama Bin
Laden, we just thought he'd be more suprised when we catch up to him if we
went via Iraq, and North Korea, and Cuba ...... It's a sort of suprise
attack strategy.

btw did anyone see the two Johns on Rory Bremner the other day (obviously
this only applies to those of you in the UK) arguing that there was a clever
strategy in invading Iraq, before the invasion we had no idea where the
terrorists were, now they're all in Iraq it'll be easier to find them.

K





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Nov  9 00:01:04 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:01:04 -0000
Subject: Conker Game Rules - Ali style
In-Reply-To: <cmor33+vokt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmp1c0+s3v8@eGroups.com>


Ali wrote:

> But then again, I was surprised that they [the Met Office] were 
playing 
> conkers at all. Tim is trying to tell me it's a cultural 
experience 
> for all the international students. I believe that it's them all 
> acting out the part of mad scientists!

I'm not surprised.  Surely you know that a conker on a string has 
important meteorological properties?

If the string is wet, it's raining.
If the string is dry, it's going to rain.
If the string is horizontal, it's windy.
If you can't see the string, it's foggy.
If the conker is smashed, it's hailing.
If the string is on fire, there's a thunderstorm.
If the string is rigid, it's frosty.

David






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 00:03:17 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:03:17 -0000
Subject: keys are driving me nuts
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-F18BNDIqW8Iqj0003b409@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <cmp1g5+bmeo@eGroups.com>


> >ok got past the keys and the door opened found the magnifying glass
> >and the paper with the trick question anyone further than that?
> >sherry
> >
> >
> >
Kara:
> where is the magnifying glass? and the paper!!!?

Carol:
The magnifying glass is in the drawer. Move it up to the brown folder
with the paper taped to it. (Hint: It's the only object that doesn't
look familiar from JKR's desk on the main page.)

Type in the answer to the "trick question" (riddle) and then use your
mouse pointer to pull up the three pages sticking out of the folder at
the top.

Carol

P.S. If you can't figure out the answer to the riddle, it's been given
in previous posts. (Hint: It has to do with HBP and what JKR is doing
now.) C.







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 00:11:25 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:11:25 -0000
Subject: Twigs?
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-F421wsXZZTHfy000405a1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <cmp1vd+hrsb@eGroups.com>


Kara Botbyl wrote:
> 
> Whats the answer to the first question....Oh God. I've read all the
books atleast twice, why cant I think of it!? Im thinking of the
little twigs, I dont remember their names, oh dear. Please someone
help me!

Carol:
If you're talking about JKR's riddle, you don't have to have read all
the books (or any of them) to figure it out. It has nothing to do with
twigs, but you're right that the things that are bound together aren't
people. The folder the riddle is taped to should give you your clue.
As Steve pointed out, the post you're responding to has been deleted
and you didn't quote from it, so I'm guessing at your meaning. Please
forgive me if you're actually talking about golden syrup!

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 00:25:23 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:25:23 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmkq8m+obnu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cmp2pj+pcil@eGroups.com>


- > Pippin suggested: 
> > > Grease the spoon with cooking oil and the syrup won't stick.
> >  
> > 
> > Carol adds:
> > Or spray the spoon with Spam (the cooking spray, not the canned 
> spiced
> > ham!). But that would be un-British, I guess.
> > 
> > Carol
> 
>  
>   I think that's "Pam" spray.  Spam spray would add an unpleasantly 
> porky flavor/flavour to any sort of syrup!  But it would be an 
> effective greaser.
> 
> -Andromeda

Blush! You're right, of course. And I have a can of it under my
kitchen sink, too!

Carol






From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Nov  9 00:33:39 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:33:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Inter-gender Folk Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mathematically and 
     geographically challenged (Was: Ironic - Error on Ohio voting
In-Reply-To: <cmovkm+4sb9@eGroups.com>
References: <2908.4.47.27.246.1099710940.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cmovkm+4sb9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4954.4.47.27.233.1099960419.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

justcarol67 said:

> Along the same lines, I know a young (American) man in his early
> thirties who thinks Afghanistan is in South America! Was he taught
> geography at all?

I've spoken to some folk who never had Geography as a course.

And to combine messages...

I'm watching NBC Nightly News and they had a segment about how much
estrogen and estrogen mimic products aren't filtered from reclaimed water
that's pumped back into American's freshwater sources.  They did some
research showing 80% of rivers had problems with this.  There were five
times more female fish and a growing number of hermaphrodite fish.

Considering how much Bush isn't into environment issues, does make me
pause to wonder about the long run.

Hehe, maybe Tom Felton should avoid fishing here or it'll give new
definition to the various male pregnancy fanfics online where Draco gets
knocked up.  Although, I do find it not as unlikely at first glance
because of purebloods limiting their genetic pool (interbreeding) over
numerous generations and some possible genetic issues popping up.

Dina





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 00:47:17 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:47:17 -0000
Subject: Bonfire night
In-Reply-To: <8c.192f266a.2ec0ff68@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmp42l+8kv8@eGroups.com>


> Thanks so much for the indepth explanation!  I have never heard of
that, and 
> I am a lover of history, so thanks for the information.  Did you go
out and 
> celebrate?  :)
> 
> "Luna"

Just a quick addendum: Bonfire Night is referred to in SS/PS chapter 1
by Jim McGuffin, the Muggle weatherman: ". . . Viewers as far apart as
Kent, Yorkshire, and Dundee have been phoning in to tell me that
instead of the rain I promised yesterday, they've had a downpour of
shooting stars! Perhaps people have been celebrating Bonfire Night
early--It's not till next week, folks! . . ." (SS Am. ed. 6).

As several people on the main list have noted, November 5 would not be
"next week" if November 1 (the day of the newscast) is a Monday, but,
oh, well. McGonagall evidently gave her students the day off, so
anything can happen in the Potterverse, even four-day weeks!

Carol






From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Tue Nov  9 01:12:42 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:12:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <cmp112+1v9n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4c5f9$374ba750$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

 

 

 
> Alshain suggests:
> How about placing the tin in a gently simmering bain marie for a 
couple of minutes before using it? That's at least what you're 
> supposed to do with recalcitrant honey. 
> Hope all Brits had a lovely Bonfire Night, by the way, without 
fireworks-related injuries. Am quietly celebrating by making jacket
potatoes for dinner, will go and put them in the oven now...

Carol:
Light corn syrup is perfectly transparent and colorless. Dark corn
syrup, IIRC. si more the color of maple syrup. Neither is golden. As
for treacle, I could have sworn it came from a treacle well. (Elsie,
Lacie, and Tillie, anyone?) ;-)

Bain marie? jacket potatoes? I'm guessing that the latter is baked
potatoes with the skins on (the only way I know of to bake a potato.)
No idea at all for the first.

Carol, whose only experience with bonfires was at high school
Homecoming, when we didn't burn anyone in effigy, not even the captain
of the opposing (American football) team

Yb's turn:

 

Aha! Something I know! Carol, if you're wondering about the'bain marie,'


it's a cooking term for a hot water bath. They work well for (above) 

making sticky things less sticky (heat reduces viscosity, you know). I 

would NEVER cook a bread pudding without one; keeps the good stuff 

from overcooking, burning, scorching, etc.

 


~Yb


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 01:14:26 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:14:26 -0000
Subject: Bonfire night/Fourth of July fireworks
In-Reply-To: <d5.1abc80ad.2ec100c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmp5li+5ha7@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> >>"The hospitals are invariably filled with victims of mis-handled
fireworks 
> "<<
> 
> This sounds like our 4th of July only in that the idiots with illegal 
> fireworks, or who light them off in wrong ways or areas manage to
lose limbs or 
> scorch themselves!!  Of course our 4th is a celebration of
Independance and not a 
> thwarted terror-like attack.  Just thought the above quote sounded
like what 
> happens here a lot on the 4th.  :)
> 
> "Luna"

Carol:
In Flagstaff, Arizona, where I grew up, fireworks were (are?) illegal
because the City government (or maybe the U.S. Forest Service) was
afraid of forest fires, and you had to drive fifty miles or so to
Prescott, a smaller city, to see Fourth of July fireworks. Even in
Tucson, in the middle of the Sonora Desert, the fireworks displays
have been canceled in dry years. IIRC, sparklers and other small
fireworks are illegal in most of Arizona, but a lot of people buy them
in Mexico and sneak them over the border. The police will generally
leave you alone if you set them off in a parking lot away from any
cars, but woe betide you if you start a brushfire in a vacant lot or a
forest fire in the mountains! (Bear in mind that the average annual
precipitation in Tucson is twelve inches per year and we've been way
below that for about ten years.)

http://phoenix.gov/FIRE/firewks.html

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 01:36:18 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:36:18 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <000201c4c5f9$374ba750$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cmp6ui+2ncu@eGroups.com>


Alshain:
> > How about placing the tin in a gently simmering bain marie for a 
> couple of minutes before using it? That's at least what you're 
> > supposed to do with recalcitrant honey. 
<snip>

> Carol:
 
> Bain marie? <big snip>
> 
  
> 
~Yb:
> Aha! Something I know! Carol, if you're wondering about the'bain
marie,' it's a cooking term for a hot water bath. They work well for
(above) making sticky things less sticky (heat reduces viscosity, you
know). I would NEVER cook a bread pudding without one; keeps the good
stuff from overcooking, burning, scorching, etc.

Carol again:
Okay, so Alshain is suggesting placing the tin (or "can," in American
English) of treacle (= molasses) in a pan of hot water to make it
pourable? (I've done that for honey that has started to crystallize.)
But what you're suggesting sounds more like putting a pan of water on
the lower shelf of the oven (as in my fruitcake recipe somewhere
upthread). Or maybe you cook bread pudding in a double boiler (I've
seen photos of them in my mother's old cookbooks but have never
actually seen one)?

Carol, who thought she'd feel at home when she went to England and
instead found herself a stranger in a strange land (but still wants to
come back for more!)

Carol, who should have remembered that "bain" = "bath" but is still
puzzled as to how "marie" fits in 






From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Nov  9 04:39:09 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:39:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Games, Vids, Fanfic,
      etc. Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn 
     Together
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Saitaina said:

> Just slightly.  Though I miss the
> Atari, and let me take a moment to be
> pissed that my Mere SOLD MY ATARI...god
> that would have been worth money by
> now.  One of the originals in game

I still have mine but I don't think they're worth that much.  Heck, I even
have the video game version of E.T. that contributed to Atari's downfall. 
I just did a recent check on eBay and they're running for less than $30,
though I did spot a 'near mint' one with box going for $60.

I think mine is the original version with four switches (in storage):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62054&item=8142664827&rd=1

versus the six switch one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8143980073&rd=1

More of a sense of nostalgia is why I kept Atari for years.


> play.  Luckily my Nintendo collection
> is intact...and I've had her swear on
> her own life she won't touch it (I have
> a Nintendo game system, Super Nintendo,
> Nintendo 64, Game Cube, original Game
> Boy, Game Boy Colour and Game Boy
> Advanced).

I've played on the old Nintendo system.  I remember trying out Super Mario
Bros 2 for the first time without reading the instructions--back then,
part of the fun was trying to figure out the game--and going WTF when I
couldn't 'squash' the thingies.


> Can you tell I enjoy video games?

Nope. {g}


> Although my computer game collection
> out ranks my vid game one.  I have

My brother is more of a gamer than me.  I remember one year he bought
Mortal Combat for me.  The extent of computer games I do is limited to the
ones typically included with Windows and Mah Jongg.


> Share, share...SSSSHHHAAARRRREEEEEE.
> Is it slashy?

I'm intrigued by Chris Isaak's Baby Did A Bad Bad Thing for an HP songvid,
and yes, it'll be slashy. {g}  Dunno if it'll work yet until I can access
video footage again.  I probably won't start it until after the POA DVD
comes out and I can clear off more hard drive space and/or get my editing
computer fixed.  Generally, I either pick up a song idea from something on
television or someone suggests the song.

Y'know, it's kinda... different that you know I do HP vids.  I seem to be
among the lowest profile vid folk in this fandom.  So, I was surprised to
find another vidder did Mad World to POA (couple weeks after I released
mine) and it wasn't coincidence when she had footage from my vid--you
commented on the different film coloring--in the *exact* same spot.
{chuckle}  It's not unknown for fandom folk to edit works for private
viewing but it's dodgy to publicly release said 'tampered' versions.

I still have the first version she released on a group and she never
referenced my vid... and still doesn't.  However, I did talk to her and
she removed out my clip and we agreed that, even though she has some
similar edits, her vid was different enough to stand on its own.  Heh, and
her vids are higher profile than mine. {chuckle}


> Which reminds me, have
> you read Weather is Here, Wish You Were
> Beautiful?

Sorry, no.  I'm currently on an HP/SS 'kick'.  Today, I was subjecting
myself to http://foreverfandom.net/viewuser.php?uid=501  Just read the
summaries and her works sound like variations on a theme: Harry doesn't
want to get married to Severus or Voldemort, insert forced marriage
scenario, and sprinkle with optional mpreg.


> I wanted to know what you
> thought of the dance scene in the last
> chapter if you do.  I respect your
> opinion and if you think it sucks then
> I need to change something.

Dunno, the HP/DM folk scare me at times.  Is it just me or do some 'ships
contain a higher percentage of 'sensitive' folk that make the stereotyped
hormonal pregnant women look like pillars of emotional stability?

One Harry/Draco group lost its mod and now is periodically spammed.  So,
about a few days ago, a new Harry/Draco group was created.  In 300+
messages, over half were off-topic (and more of a 'squee' type)--yeah,
this coming from a person notorious for multi-tangent messages.  Anyway,
this morning I replied to a mod message by asking her: "Um, will this list
continue to be over half off-topic?"

Guess what?  The group stopped existing within a couple hours of my
posting that.

There can be multiple factors such as the owner's account being killed, a
combination of Yahoogroups issues, or they booted me from the group and
renamed it because I was a 'meanie' for asking clarification on if I
should go no-mail.  As to why I may suspect the latter, I noticed some of
the jabber while the list existed that referenced how 'rude' HP/DM
'shippers are. {blink, blink}  I didn't notice this.  I know gals don't
have balls but... Nevermind, a percentage also write Harry as crying at
the drop of a pin.

I'm sensitive!  I teared up during various LOTR scenes and Jim Dale's
audio reading of POA had me reacting to Harry connecting Prongs to his
dad.  I've gotten negative reactions for my fannish works, along with some
nice things, and felt the heat rush to my face, but I also evaluate if
it's eventually beneficial to me... consider it my 'Slytherin' side.

I just don't know how much of my bluntness some folks can handle.  I'd
rather there be honesty when I interact with people and I try to be
polite.

I can look over your fic but how honest do you want me to be?


> Hmm, your problem's beyond my spit and
> duct tape repair skills.  I've never

Beyond mine too.  I need a boot CD (don't even have the OS install disk)
and my working burner is on the computer that's down for the count.  I
think it's better to leave repairs up to a techie because I don't have the
majority of data on backup disks.  I also want to monitor the person's
work because I have some... gay pr0n on it along with the HP videos.  Some
can do home visits for on-site repair work.


> myself.  Of course, I've owned my Astro

Astro?  Hm, I got my Gateway back in March 2000, a Performance 650 model. 
I love getting new gadgets to 'play' with but I just can't afford them
without saving for years.


> thought it would be fun to charge me
> PER MINUTE just to talk to them.  Might

Oh yeah, I've had 'fun' with tech support.


> Send me anti nausia wishes.  Stupid
> allergies.  And I would enjoy the view
> if Ferret Boy would stop appearing in
> every dream I have including one where
> I'm predicting my own death (really, in
> my dream I pulled a Trawlany).

{g} Paranoid much? ;-p

Okay, so I manage to have a couple Rupert Grint dreams--I suspect it's
because I had a crush on this curvy red-haired gal--and the apocalyse
occurs while Grint is dressed up as a drummer boy.

If I thought I'd go out with a 'big bang' and because I'm a nosy bint,
how'd you kick it? {g}

Dina





From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 07:47:46 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (udder_pen_dragon)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:47:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-...: Food - Golden Syrup- TWIGS?
In-Reply-To: <cmjji8+bo3v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041109074746.12241.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kara Botbyl" wrote:
> 
> Whats the answer to the first question... why cant I think of it!?
> I'm thinking of the little twigs, I dont remember their names, oh 
> dear. Please someone help me!


Hi Kara

Are you thinking of the crunchie wheaty sticks with something like Marmite (yeast extract) on them we Brits have? 

They are called Twiglets

Hope this helps

Udderpd



		
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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 14:31:26 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:31:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Games, Vids,
In-Reply-To: <1124.4.47.27.233.1099975149.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <20041109143126.6335.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Saitaina said:
> 
> > Just slightly.  Though I miss the
> > Atari, and let me take a moment to be
> > pissed that my Mere SOLD MY ATARI...god
> > that would have been worth money by
> > now.  One of the originals in game
> 
Dina:
> I still have mine but I don't think they're worth
> that much.  Heck, I even
> have the video game version of E.T. that contributed
> to Atari's downfall. 
> I just did a recent check on eBay and they're
> running for less than $30,
> though I did spot a 'near mint' one with box going
> for $60.
> 
<snip>
> 
> More of a sense of nostalgia is why I kept Atari for
> years.
> 
> 
Sheryll:

I've cursed myself numerous times for just tossing out
my Atari when we moved into this house 7 years ago. We
so desperately needed to get of things (this house is
much smaller than our old rental), that I just threw
so many things out that I now wish I'd kept and stored
somewhere.

Saitaina:
> > play.  Luckily my Nintendo collection
> > is intact...and I've had her swear on
> > her own life she won't touch it (I have
> > a Nintendo game system, Super Nintendo,
> > Nintendo 64, Game Cube, original Game
> > Boy, Game Boy Colour and Game Boy
> > Advanced).
> 
Dina:
> I've played on the old Nintendo system.  I remember
> trying out Super Mario
> Bros 2 for the first time without reading the
> instructions--back then,
> part of the fun was trying to figure out the
> game--and going WTF when I
> couldn't 'squash' the thingies.
> 
Sheryll:
I still have an original Nintendo system. Two, in
fact. My first one wasn't working well, so my daughter
got me a second one for Christmas last year. Wonderful
places, pawnshops, you can find anything. I have about
20 games for the original.

Back in the day when the original system was state of
the art, my best friend and I were the neighbourhood
Nintendo experts and all the kids came to us when the
couldn't figure out games. We knew things about games
that even the folks at the Nintendo Hotline didn't
know!

I sold my Super Nintendo a couple years but it for a
good cause, going to someone who was very ill and
looking at months in bed to recover.

We've also got an N64 and a GameCube. Note that these
are all *my* systems. My daughter is more a
PlayStation person, though as a poor college student
she just has the PS system, with the PS2 being on her
Christmas list this year. 
> 
Saitaina:
> > Can you tell I enjoy video games?
> 
Dina:
> Nope. {g}
> 
Sheryll: 
No more than some of the rest of us. ;-)
> 
Saitaina:
> > Although my computer game collection
> > out ranks my vid game one.  I have
> 
Dina:
> My brother is more of a gamer than me.  I remember
> one year he bought
> Mortal Combat for me.  The extent of computer games
> I do is limited to the
> ones typically included with Windows and Mah Jongg.
> 
Sheryll:
For some reason I never got into games for the PC.
Sure, a few great card games I've found and Mahjong,
but not much else. Hubby has Arkanoid on his computer
but I've resisted putting it on mine. I'd never get
through my inbox if I did!

Sheryll


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Nov  9 15:30:08 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:30:08 EST
Subject: Carol's thread ...
Message-ID: <1c9.20820239.2ec23c80@aol.com>

>>"A Marketing major with a Lit minor might
not be bad--one for the job opportunities and the other for cultural
and intellectual enrichment. . . . "<<<<

Yes, excellent idea ... Marketing major with a Lit minor.  I just did it all 
wrong when I went to school ... I let life interfere rather than staying 
focused on finishing my education.  I started at a College in the mid 80's, leaving 
after two years, then returning in the mid 90's to a University and finally 
finishing.  By the time I got back into doing it seriously I was distracted 
with work, a pregnancy, etc.  I just wanted it over and done and to have that 
degree on my wall.  :)  I wish I would have done what MOST people do ... graduate 
highschool, go to College 4-6 (or more) years and be done with it.  Ah well 
... coulda, woulda, shoulda.  :)  

I wonder if I could get my Masters in Lit?  Hhhmmmmmm ... I could get serious 
about that!  I love to write, but think I'm lousy at it, so further education 
would definitely be in order  :)


"Luna"

---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From nrenka at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 15:55:24 2004
From: nrenka at yahoo.com (Nora Renka)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:55:24 -0000
Subject: Games, Vids,
In-Reply-To: <20041109143126.6335.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cmqp9c+qlbp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend 
<s_ings at y...> wrote:
 
> Sheryll:
> 
> I've cursed myself numerous times for just tossing out
> my Atari when we moved into this house 7 years ago. We
> so desperately needed to get of things (this house is
> much smaller than our old rental), that I just threw
> so many things out that I now wish I'd kept and stored
> somewhere.

I saw the most spectacular video gaming room ever, one year, a friend-
of-a-friend living in Woodward.  They had:

Nintendo
Super NES
Nintendo 64
Playstation
PS2
Sega Master System
Sega Genesis
Dreamcast
and, somewhere, I think there was a TurboGrafix 16...

...with a large screen TV.  It was sweet.

Craziest thing I ever got to play on: ScavHunt 
(scavhunt.uchicago.edu) required us to get a working Colecovision, 
one year.  Awww, those were the days...

-Nora will toast you all at Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Nov  9 15:53:51 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:53:51 -0800
Subject: Games, Vids, Fanfic,      etc. Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no class... watching Drawn      Together
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Dina wrote:

<I still have mine but I don't think
they're worth that much.>

They should, they were the beginning of
gaming technology.  Er, part of the
beginning.

<I remember trying out Super Mario
Bros 2 for the first time >

There have been so many Mario's...i
can't remember what that one was about.
I just remember leaves.

<I'm intrigued by Chris Isaak's Baby
Did A Bad Bad Thing>

That gives me sooo many ideas...

<I seem to be
among the lowest profile vid folk in
this fandom. >

Which is really odd considering the
artistic quality of your works...not to
mention the fact that  you're just
plain good.  There's too many vids out
there that suck.

<Dunno, the HP/DM folk scare me at
times.>

You haven't been around the right HP/DM
folks.

< In 300+
messages, over half were off-topic >

This is where you need a mod who smacks
for every OT post.

<they booted me from the group and
renamed it because I was a 'meanie'>

Seems like a lot to go through for to
block one list member.  I should know,
I've had to do it.

<Nevermind, a percentage also write
Harry as crying at
the drop of a pin.>

You had a lot of teen girls on that
list didn't you.  I don't know why this
happens, but teen girls writing H/D
ends up with one of them being horribly
OC and fem.

<I can look over your fic but how
honest do you want me to be?>

Just look at that one dance scene in
the last chapter and be completely
honest.  I can't trust my beta because
she doesn't read or like slash.  She
reads it for me, but her opinion is
kind of...a mute point.

<Astro?>

Astro, really crappy all in one model.

<how'd you kick it?>

Murdered for political reasons to shut
me up.  This was just after elections,
Bush was elected, Measure 36 won (the
changing of the Oregon constitution to
read "marriage is between one man and
one woman") and I had spent the day
screaming at the TV and then just
screaming.   It's also around the time
people were trying to get me to
campaign for mayor so I guess all the
stress came out in my dream of, I'm
going to die if I keep entering
politics.


Saitaina
****
'The majority of older boys, like the
pupils of Christ's Hospital whose dress
is even stranger, favour retention of
their uniform...There is no better cure
for self-consciousness...than to walk
the streets for five years in tails.'

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Tue Nov  9 16:47:14 2004
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:47:14 -0000
Subject: Education (was Re: Carol's thread ...)
In-Reply-To: <1c9.20820239.2ec23c80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmqsai+bk5i@eGroups.com>


 
> Yes, excellent idea ... Marketing major with a Lit minor.  I just 
did it all 
> wrong when I went to school ... I let life interfere rather than 
staying 
> focused on finishing my education.  I started at a College in the 
mid 80's, leaving 
> after two years, then returning in the mid 90's to a University 
and finally 
> finishing.  By the time I got back into doing it seriously I was 
distracted 
> with work, a pregnancy, etc.  I just wanted it over and done and 
to have that 
> degree on my wall.  :)  I wish I would have done what MOST people 
do ... graduate 
> highschool, go to College 4-6 (or more) years and be done with 
it.  Ah well 
> ... coulda, woulda, shoulda.  :)  
> 
> I wonder if I could get my Masters in Lit?  Hhhmmmmmm ... I could 
get serious 
> about that!  I love to write, but think I'm lousy at it, so 
further education 
> would definitely be in order  :)
> 
> 
> "Luna"


2beagles:

You'd be surprised at what you are considering MOST people.  Only 
about 25% of U.S. adults have a college education.  I was very 
surprised at that statistic.  And I don't think you are in the 
minority...

I, for one, am following the exact same path you did.  I graduated 
H.S. in '91, went to college for 4 years, and quit, far from 
receiving a degree.  The nagging feeling finally got to me in 2000 
and I am now back in school, set to graduate in May.  And like you, 
I work and have a 2 year old (who was born during this educational 
stint).  I just hope that I can get the message across to her to 
plug away and get it done the first time!  It's hard to see the 
benefit when you are 18, 19, 20 years old, but looking back at what 
I could have accomplished is that much harder.  Not to mention that 
my tuition rates are almost 10-fold of that in the early 90s!!

As for a master's in Lit, if you love it, go for it!  It should all 
be for fun now, right?

2beagles






From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Tue Nov  9 20:29:29 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:29:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bonfire night/Fourth of July fireworks
In-Reply-To: <cmp5li+5ha7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c4c69a$d09f98c0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

Carol:
In Flagstaff, Arizona, where I grew up, fireworks were (are?) illegal
because the City government (or maybe the U.S. Forest Service) was
afraid of forest fires, and you had to drive fifty miles or so to
Prescott, a smaller city, to see Fourth of July fireworks. Even in
Tucson, in the middle of the Sonora Desert, the fireworks displays
have been canceled in dry years. IIRC, sparklers and other small
fireworks are illegal in most of Arizona, but a lot of people buy them
in Mexico and sneak them over the border. The police will generally
leave you alone if you set them off in a parking lot away from any
cars, but woe betide you if you start a brushfire in a vacant lot or a
forest fire in the mountains! (Bear in mind that the average annual
precipitation in Tucson is twelve inches per year and we've been way
below that for about ten years.)

http://phoenix.gov/FIRE/firewks.html

Carol



Yb:

That was the strangest thing when I was in Phoenix for the summer: no
personal fireworks, 

not even sparklers. Being originally from Indiana, where they are most
definitely legal, it felt 

a little strange. At home, we'd sit on the proch and watch the neighbors
set fireworks off... 

we'd get a different show each night for about three or four nights.

 

~Yb 



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From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Tue Nov  9 20:41:20 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:41:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <cmp6ui+2ncu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c4c69c$7948aba0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

~Yb:
> Aha! Something I know! Carol, if you're wondering about the'bain
marie,' it's a cooking term for a hot water bath. They work well for
(above) making sticky things less sticky (heat reduces viscosity, you
know). I would NEVER cook a bread pudding without one; keeps the good
stuff from overcooking, burning, scorching, etc.

Carol again:
Okay, so Alshain is suggesting placing the tin (or "can," in American
English) of treacle (= molasses) in a pan of hot water to make it
pourable? (I've done that for honey that has started to crystallize.)
But what you're suggesting sounds more like putting a pan of water on
the lower shelf of the oven (as in my fruitcake recipe somewhere
upthread). Or maybe you cook bread pudding in a double boiler (I've
seen photos of them in my mother's old cookbooks but have never
actually seen one)?
 
Carol, who should have remembered that "bain" = "bath" but is still
puzzled as to how "marie" fits in 

 

Yb:

You were close: my method involves putting a pan in the oven, with paper
towels covering the 

bottom, and filling it about half full with water. Then put the pudding
(in its own dish, of course) 

in the pan of water and bake for about 75 minutes. The trick is making
sure the water doesn't 

splash; and fishing the dish out of the pan is easier said than done, as
well.

 

As for word origins:

 

Mary the Jewess was a first century alchemist, published even (gasp!).
Apparently female 

Alchemists weren't all that uncommon.

 

Maria Prophetissa was also known as Miriam, Mary the Jewess or simply
Maria:

 

Mary the Jewess was an accomplished practical alchemist and the inventor
of a series of 

technical devices still in use today, such as the hot ash box for steady
heat, the dung box 

for prolonged heat and the double boiler, still called the "bain-marie"
in French. None of 

her writings have survived, but she is quoted with the utmost respect by
Zosimus and 

the other early compilers of alchemical texts. (Zosimus considered her
to be Miriam, 

the sister of Moses. He was of course, as always, going for the most
ancient tradition.)

 

Maria approached alchemy as a fusion of the rational, the mystical and
the practical, 

and she is remembered for the practical. She introduced several types of
apparatus, 

including a three-armed still, the hot ash box for steady heat, the dung
box 

for prolonged heat and the double boiler.


Hope this answers your question; I know I learned something!

~Yb

 



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 21:43:58 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:43:58 -0000
Subject: Carol's thread ...
In-Reply-To: <1c9.20820239.2ec23c80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmrdmu+gge4@eGroups.com>


Carol earlier:
> >>"A Marketing major with a Lit minor might
> not be bad--one for the job opportunities and the other for cultural
> and intellectual enrichment. . . . "<<<<
> 
Luna:
> Yes, excellent idea ... Marketing major with a Lit minor.  I just
did it all wrong when I went to school ... I let life interfere rather
than staying focused on finishing my education.  <snip>
> 
> I wonder if I could get my Masters in Lit?  Hhhmmmmmm ... I could
get serious about that!  I love to write, but think I'm lousy at it,
so further education would definitely be in order  :)

Carol again:
I think you need at least a minor in English to get into a masters lit
program. But if your interest is in creative writing, you *might* get
into a masters program by submitting a piece of creative writing that
the faculty member in charge considered promising, but that's a long
shot. A better bet might be an adult education program in creative
writing--a lot more fun, a lot less pressure, and a whole lot cheaper.

Just a thought, as Steve says.

Carol






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Nov  9 22:10:43 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:10:43 EST
Subject: Continuing Education
Message-ID: <8e.19a5b921.2ec29a63@aol.com>

>>>"The nagging feeling finally got to me in 2000 
and I am now back in school, set to graduate in May.  And like you, 
I work and have a 2 year old (who was born during this educational 
stint).  I just hope that I can get the message across to her to 
plug away and get it done the first time!  It's hard to see the 
benefit when you are 18, 19, 20 years old, but looking back at what 
I could have accomplished is that much harder.  Not to mention that 
my tuition rates are almost 10-fold of that in the early 90s!!

As for a master's in Lit, if you love it, go for it!  It should all 
be for fun now, right?"<<<

2beagles, 
WOW....are you sure you AREN'T me?  LOL  I was pregnant my senior year at the 
University ... that was tough sitting in those desks with a belly 
out-to-here.  :)  Congratulations to you EARLY on your graduation in May!  I talk to my 
son about college level study as if it is something that come naturally after 
highschool, just as highschool comes naturally after elementary school.  I hope 
the idea will imbed itself somewhere in his mind and stay there as the 
expected and the norm.  

Is there such thing as a Masters in Lit?  I thought it was Masters in 
Business, or Masters of Science, or Masters of Education .... hhhmmmmmm.  Maybe I'll 
just go for another bachelors.  LOL  

What is your degree in?


"Luna"

---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 22:31:26 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:31:26 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <000601c4c69c$7948aba0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cmrgfu+uu0a@eGroups.com>


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25097

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca K Hubbard" 
<hubbarrk at r...> wrote:
> ~Yb:
> > Aha! Something I know! Carol, if you're wondering about the'bain
> marie,' it's a cooking term for a hot water bath. They work well 
for (above) making sticky things less sticky (heat reduces 
viscosity, you know). <Snip>
 
> Carol again:
> Okay, so Alshain is suggesting placing the tin (or "can," in 
American English) of treacle (= molasses) in a pan of hot water to 
make it pourable? (I've done that for honey that has started to 
crystallize.)But what you're suggesting sounds more like putting a 
pan of water on the lower shelf of the oven (as in my fruitcake 
recipe somewhere upthread). Or maybe you cook bread pudding in a 
double boiler (I've seen photos of them in my mother's old cookbooks 
but have never actually seen one)?
>  
> Carol, who should have remembered that "bain" = "bath" but is still
> puzzled as to how "marie" fits in 
> 
>  
> 
> Yb:
> 
> You were close: my method involves putting a pan in the oven, with 
paper towels covering the bottom, and filling it about half full 
with water. Then put the pudding (in its own dish, of course) in the 
pan of water and bake for about 75 minutes. The trick is making
> sure the water doesn't splash; and fishing the dish out of the pan 
is easier said than done, as well.
> 
>As for word origins:
> 
>  
> 
> Mary the Jewess was a first century alchemist, published even 
(gasp!).
> Apparently female 
> 
> Alchemists weren't all that uncommon.
> 
>Maria Prophetissa was also known as Miriam, Mary the Jewess or 
simply
> Maria: Mary the Jewess was an accomplished practical alchemist and 
the inventor of a series of technical devices still in use today, 
such as the hot ash box for steady heat, the dung box for prolonged 
heat and the double boiler, still called the "bain-marie" in French. 
None of her writings have survived, but she is quoted with the 
utmost respect by Zosimus and the other early compilers of 
alchemical texts. (Zosimus considered her to be Miriam, the sister 
of Moses. He was of course, as always, going for the most ancient 
tradition.)
> 
>Maria approached alchemy as a fusion of the rational, the mystical 
and the practical, and she is remembered for the practical. She 
introduced several types of apparatus, including a three-armed 
still, the hot ash box for steady heat, the dung box for prolonged 
heat and the double boiler.
> 
> 
> Hope this answers your question; I know I learned something!
> 
> ~Yb
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

Excellent answer Yb! For some other interesting tidbits try this 
site:  http://www.foodreference.com/html/artbainmarie.html
My mother always baked her custards in a Bain Marie but she did not 
put a towel down in the pan. She placed the custard cups into the 
larger pan (which was already on the rack in the oven) and then 
carefully poured hot water from the tea kettle into the larger pan 
and then baked it. Can you tell me why you use the towel and if you 
think there are any advantages to it over not using one? In a way 
this is also like a double boiler except that the custard or pudding 
is immersed in the water partially. With a double boiler the water 
below does not touch the pan above - it allows a gentle heating of 
certain more delicate foods like chocolate, custards and sauces so 
they don't scorch. If anyone has a double boiler try this recipe:
http://www.foodreference.com/html/maplebreadpudding.html

My personal winter favorite is cornmeal mush made in the double 
boiler! It comes out so smooth and lump free. 

Happy cooking!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****












From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Tue Nov  9 22:48:51 2004
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:48:51 -0000
Subject: Continuing Education
In-Reply-To: <8e.19a5b921.2ec29a63@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cmrhgj+fvq7@eGroups.com>


 
> 2beagles, 
> WOW....are you sure you AREN'T me?  LOL  I was pregnant my senior 
year at the 
> University ... that was tough sitting in those desks with a belly 
> out-to-here.  :)  Congratulations to you EARLY on your graduation 
in May!  I talk to my 
> son about college level study as if it is something that come 
naturally after 
> highschool, just as highschool comes naturally after elementary 
school.  I hope 
> the idea will imbed itself somewhere in his mind and stay there as 
the 
> expected and the norm.  
> 
> Is there such thing as a Masters in Lit?  I thought it was Masters 
in 
> Business, or Masters of Science, or Masters of Education .... 
hhhmmmmmm.  Maybe I'll 
> just go for another bachelors.  LOL  
> 
> What is your degree in?
> 
> 
> "Luna"
> 

Thanks!  Same congratulations to you, too!  It takes a lot of 
motivation to "go back."  And even more to finish when there is a 
child in the picture!
You may be right about the programs.  I'm not sure what the degree 
would be, maybe English?  I just want to take fun classes when I'm 
done with this.  I loved Theology, Literarture, History, Astronomy.  
Nothing I would ever make a career of, but the classes fascinate me.

My bachelor's will be in Human Resource Management.  Fortunately I 
already work in the field, so hopefully it will give me a leg up.  
I agree about the big belly thing.  I was huge by the end of the 
semester before my daughter was born.  And I was in a class with a 
bunch of 18-20 year olds who thought that I was their age and just 
got into "trouble."  It was pretty amusing.  But it wasn't easy 
sitting for 4 hours in one position!

I was brought up with the natural-transition-to-college mentality 
too, but it was more of an expectation than anything.  So I think 
it's great that you communicate with your son about it regularly.  
My parents didn't do that.  Not that I blame them... I just didn't 
know how much self-motivation it takes to get through college.  At 
least I have the learning experience to pass on....


2beagles






From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 23:11:51 2004
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:11:51 -0000
Subject: Maria and fireworks, was: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <000601c4c69c$7948aba0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cmrirn+gq9h@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca K Hubbard" 
<hubbarrk at r...> wrote:
> As for word origins:
> 
> Mary the Jewess was a first century alchemist, published even 
(gasp!).
> Apparently female Alchemists weren't all that uncommon.
> 
> Maria Prophetissa was also known as Miriam, Mary the Jewess or 
simply Maria:

> Mary the Jewess was an accomplished practical alchemist and the 
inventor of a series of technical devices still in use today, such as 
the hot ash box for steady heat, the dung box for prolonged heat and 
the double boiler, still called the "bain-marie" in French. None of 
her writings have survived, but she is quoted with the utmost respect 
by Zosimus and the other early compilers of alchemical texts. 
(Zosimus considered her to be Miriam, the sister of Moses. He was of 
course, as always, going for the most ancient tradition.)
> 
Maria approached alchemy as a fusion of the rational, the mystical and
> the practical, and she is remembered for the practical. She 
introduced several types of apparatus, including a three-armed still, 
the hot ash box for steady heat, the dung box for prolonged heat and 
the double boiler.

> Hope this answers your question; I know I learned something!
> 
> ~Yb

You know, now that you're saying it, this sounds faintly familiar! 
I'll need to hunt down some references, then work Maria and her 
inventions into a fanfic about Snape.  

Re fireworks: Why is it that people in every culture have problems 
with them? The Western world clearly hasn't had fireworks long enough 
that natural selection has been able to weed out the most stupid 
individuals.
 
Where I come from, they're traditional for the last Saturday in 
August*, and sure enough, a lot of people arrive at the ER with eye 
and hand injuries. With all these crackers and rockets around, kids 
are bound to get ideas too. Some young hooligans still think it's 
funny to play pranks by blowing up letterboxes (the kind of letterbox 
that is a separate metal construction by the road, not a slit in the 
door), by placing lit fireworks in them. I'm sure I don't need to 
draw a picture for what will happen to you when the prank goes south 
and the firework explodes in your hand. Don't try it at home.   

Terry Pratchett knew was he was talking about in Interesting Times 
(quoting the footnote): "Sensible people go off to a roped-off 
enclosure where they can watch a heavily protected man, in the middle 
distance, light (with the aid of a very long pole) something that 
goes 'fsst'. And then they can shout 'Hooray'." 

* Why would you celebrate something like the last weekend of August, 
you ask? Well, there's a rather odd little tradition on a 200 km 
coastal strip of the Baltic Sea. In the old days when men worked, 
women stayed at home, and the school summer holiday was a full three 
months long, every family who could afford a summer cottage sent 
wives and kids to the country or the seaside as soon as the schools 
closed. Husbands and fathers stayed in town during the workdays until 
their holiday started. The last weekend of August was usually the 
last to be spent at the summer cottage, and in the interwar years it 
became a tradition to say farewell to the summer with a "Venetian 
evening" (my vote would go to 'celebrate the impending return to 
civilisation', but I'm abnormal when it comes to the Scandinavian 
summer cottage tradition <g>) with bonfires, lanterns and fireworks. 
Fireworks at New Year's Eve is a much younger tradition (no one in 
their right mind wants to look at fireworks when it's freezing 
outside.)

I found you a picture too:  
http://www.kahlsved.com/ojasjon_s/veneziansk_afton_vid_vattungen/venez
iansk_afton_vid_vattungen.html
and in case that breaks: http://tinyurl.com/6g2s6

The summer cottage tradition has to be the most characteristic thing 
of the middle class in Scandinavian countries -- it's probably 
because urbanisation was so late, but we have this little chip inside 
our brains that says summertime is best spent living close to the 
nature, which means you have a tiny cottage, preferably on your own 
little island in the archipelago, and spend your days doing hard 
physical work, catching your own fish and harvesting your own 
potatoes, getting bitten by midges and cooking food in primitive 
conditions. (Running water is for sissies. Only acceptable amenities 
is an outdoor privy.) Tove Jansson's The Summer Book and Astrid 
Lindgren's Seacrow Island are classics, but somehow I felt that kind 
of life was nicer when you read about it in books and the closest 
library wasn't miles away.

I'm rambling, aren't I? Well, stopping now.

Alshain






From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Wed Nov 10 02:56:02 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:56:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <cmrgfu+uu0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4c6d0$d13d01b0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

> Yb:
 
> You were close: my method involves putting a pan in the oven, with 
paper towels covering the bottom, and filling it about half full 
with water. Then put the pudding (in its own dish, of course) in the 
pan of water and bake for about 75 minutes. The trick is making
> sure the water doesn't splash; and fishing the dish out of the pan 
is easier said than done, as well.



Dudemom_2000:

 

Excellent answer Yb! For some other interesting tidbits try this 
site:  http://www.foodreference.com/html/artbainmarie.html
My mother always baked her custards in a Bain Marie but she did not 
put a towel down in the pan. She placed the custard cups into the 
larger pan (which was already on the rack in the oven) and then 
carefully poured hot water from the tea kettle into the larger pan 
and then baked it. Can you tell me why you use the towel and if you 
think there are any advantages to it over not using one? In a way 
this is also like a double boiler except that the custard or pudding 
is immersed in the water partially. With a double boiler the water 
below does not touch the pan above - it allows a gentle heating of 
certain more delicate foods like chocolate, custards and sauces so 
they don't scorch. If anyone has a double boiler try this recipe:
http://www.foodreference.com/html/maplebreadpudding.html

My personal winter favorite is cornmeal mush made in the double 
boiler! It comes out so smooth and lump free. 

 

 

Yb again:

I use it primarily because if the bottom of the dish I use (a glass 7x11
baking dish, or something like that.) 

touches the hot bottom of the pan I'm using for the bain-marie, it could
make the bottom of the pudding 

cook too fast and subsequently burn, which wouldn't be very tasty. "The
Joy of Cooking" (my main cookbook) 

recommends the paper towels on the bottom for custards as well. See my
dish is actually in the water, 

submerged about 2/3 of the way up the sides. That's why digging the
thing out is so difficult (and potentially 

painful).

 

~Yb

 



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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Wed Nov 10 21:03:23 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:03:23 EST
Subject: carol-education
Message-ID: <d6.193a1271.2ec3dc1b@aol.com>

"A better bet might be an adult education program in creative
writing--a lot more fun, a lot less pressure, and a whole lot cheaper."


Excellent suggestion.  Thanks.  I especially appreciate the 'whole lot 
cheaper' part.  :)

"Luna"

---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Wed Nov 10 21:08:30 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:08:30 EST
Subject: 2beagles-education
Message-ID: <8b.19cfd708.2ec3dd4e@aol.com>

"So I think  it's great that you communicate with your son about it 
regularly.  
My parents didn't do that.  Not that I blame them... I just didn't 
know how much self-motivation it takes to get through college.  At 
least I have the learning experience to pass on.... "<<


Both of my parents were educators (Mom taught elementary school  and Dad was 
my highschool principal ... thats a whole other list topic! LOL) and they 
encouraged me, but like you, I didn't know how much self motivation it takes.  I 
hope to pass on my experience to my son as well.  We'll see if it worked in 
another 12 years.  :)

"Luna"


---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 10 22:34:11 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:34:11 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires
In-Reply-To: <000001c4c6d0$d13d01b0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cmu513+nh64@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca K Hubbard" 
<hubbarrk at r...> wrote:
> > Yb:
>  
Snip> 
> Yb again:
> 
> I use it primarily because if the bottom of the dish I use (a 
glass 7x11 baking dish, or something like that.) 
> 
> touches the hot bottom of the pan I'm using for the bain-marie, it 
could make the bottom of the pudding cook too fast and subsequently 
burn, which wouldn't be very tasty. "The Joy of Cooking" (my main 
cookbook) recommends the paper towels on the bottom for custards as 
well. See my dish is actually in the water, submerged about 2/3 of 
the way up the sides. That's why digging the thing out is so 
difficult (and potentially painful).
> 
>  
> 
> ~Yb
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

It is good to know someone else out there is using "Joy of Cooking" 
that is hands down, my favorite all time cookbook! That is what I 
consult when I am trying something new that I have never tried 
before. My copy is at least 25 years old and has so much in it! I am 
not sure if the newer version is as comprehensive any more. The old 
one told you how to deal with game and even to boil water! 

Next time I try custard or pudding I will put the paper towels in 
first. I would also imagine that the towel would also prevent too 
much splashing when you start to pour the water.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****  
 
> 
> 
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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Nov 11 16:36:31 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:36:31 -0000
Subject: Conker Game Rules - Ali style
In-Reply-To: <cmp1c0+s3v8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cn04ef+frsh@eGroups.com>


> David wrote:
> Surely you know that a conker on a string has 
> important meteorological properties?
> 
> If the string is wet, it's raining.
> If the string is dry, it's going to rain.
> If the string is horizontal, it's windy.
> If you can't see the string, it's foggy.
> If the conker is smashed, it's hailing.
> If the string is on fire, there's a thunderstorm.
> If the string is rigid, it's frosty.
> 
Here in Texas you must add:
If the string is missing, there's a tornado.
MsTattersall






From dzny72 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 11 22:23:55 2004
From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:23:55 -0000
Subject: fanfic
Message-ID: <cn0opr+f2sv@eGroups.com>


I remember reading somewhere a fanfic that was "email" to & from 
various HP characters.  Does anyone know where to find it?  Also, 
looking for a recommendation of a HP fanfic to read that is not too 
far off from the original stories.  A G to PG-13 rating.  If need be, 
you may reply offline.

Thanks!!

Dzny






From paulined at optushome.com.au  Fri Nov 12 10:36:43 2004
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:36:43 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] fanfic
In-Reply-To: <cn0opr+f2sv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041112213236.038b5b28@mail.optushome.com.au>


That would be Albus Dumbledore's Inbox
Author: Indigo Ziona

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/815796/1/

>I remember reading somewhere a fanfic that was "email" to & from
>various HP characters.

Love Pauline


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From corvus_three at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 16:40:45 2004
From: corvus_three at yahoo.com (corvus_three)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:40:45 -0000
Subject: HBP printing
Message-ID: <cn2p2d+bfds@eGroups.com>


I was talking to my brother-in-law the other day.  His mom, who works
for Scholastic, told him that HBP is already being printed and boxed
and stored under tight security.
 
I don't know how reliable this is, but I thought I would share.
 
Corvus 3






From jmoses22002 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 17:08:53 2004
From: jmoses22002 at yahoo.com (Joshua Moses)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:08:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP printing
In-Reply-To: <cn2p2d+bfds@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041112170853.17324.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com>


--- corvus_three <corvus_three at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> I was talking to my brother-in-law the other day. 
> His mom, who works
> for Scholastic, told him that HBP is already being
> printed and boxed
> and stored under tight security.
>  
> I don't know how reliable this is, but I thought I
> would share.
>  
> Corvus 3
> 
> 
 
  I think that is how unfounded rumors start.


		
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Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. 
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 18:57:49 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:57:49 -0000
Subject: HBP printing
In-Reply-To: <20041112170853.17324.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cn313d+ro2c@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Joshua Moses
<jmoses22002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- corvus_three <corvus_three at y...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I was talking to my brother-in-law the other day. 
> > His mom, who works
> > for Scholastic, told him that HBP is already being
> > printed and boxed
> > and stored under tight security.
> >  
> > I don't know how reliable this is, but I thought I
> > would share.
> >  
> > Corvus 3


> Joshua:
>  
>   I think that is how unfounded rumors start.
> 

bboyminn:

Sorry, but I have to side with Joshua on this.

If they were really that close to release of the book they would have
the marketing and media machines running at full speed. In addition,
if they books are already being printed and warehoused, they would
have published a release date, which they haven't.

I'm guessing the release date will be posted in late spring for a
release in the Fall/Autumn of next year, although I will gladly take
it sooner than that.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 22:19:57 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:19:57 -0000
Subject: HBP printing
In-Reply-To: <cn313d+ro2c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cn3cud+uo1t@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Joshua Moses
> <jmoses22002 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- corvus_three <corvus_three at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I was talking to my brother-in-law the other day. 
> > > His mom, who works for Scholastic, told him that HBP is 
already being printed and boxed and stored under tight security.
> > >  
> > > I don't know how reliable this is, but I thought I would share.
> > >  
> > > Corvus 3
> 
> 
> > Joshua:
> >  
> >   I think that is how unfounded rumors start.
> > 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Sorry, but I have to side with Joshua on this.
> 
> If they were really that close to release of the book they would 
have the marketing and media machines running at full speed. In 
addition, if they books are already being printed and warehoused, 
they would have published a release date, which they haven't.
> 
> I'm guessing the release date will be posted in late spring for a
> release in the Fall/Autumn of next year, although I will gladly 
take it sooner than that.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)

*****\(@@)/*****
Ditto here on Joshua and bboyminn's comments! NO ONE'S security is 
that good that a book this awaited could be printed and stored 
without someone having blabbed by now! Remember the last book and 
all the various leaks and ultimately copies being found before the 
book was issued. I think we will have more of the same with this 
book.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****







From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 22:28:17 2004
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:28:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP printing
References: <cn3cud+uo1t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c4c906$f193d280$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>

*****\(@@)/*****
Ditto here on Joshua and bboyminn's comments! NO ONE'S security is 
that good that a book this awaited could be printed and stored 
without someone having blabbed by now! Remember the last book and 
all the various leaks and ultimately copies being found before the 
book was issued. I think we will have more of the same with this 
book.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****
------------------------------------------
Now, Jenny here:
For what it is worth, Amazon.com won't even accept preorders
for book 6 yet.

Quote:
J.K. Rowling has revealed the title of the next Harry Potter book, but not the release date. We can't accept orders yet for Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, but if you sign up in the blue box to the right, we will notify you as soon as the book is available for pre-order.

End Quote.

Needless to say, I have signed up to be notified. :-))

Jenny




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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Nov 13 11:37:41 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:37:41 -0500
Subject: Games, Vids, Fanfic, etc. Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no
  class... watching Drawn Together
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At 11/09/2004 10:53 AM, Saitaina wrote:

>They should, they were the beginning of
>gaming technology.  Er, part of the
>beginning.

I caught this show on G4TV where they did a 'history' of home video 
games.  Pretty nifty.  Still, I think for some it's more a case of 
nostalgia is why we keep things--impact on personal history versus a wider 
audience.

My favorite Atari 2600 game remains River Raid, which really didn't make 
sense if you think about it:
http://www.atarihq.com/reviews/2600/river_raid.html

You're on an airplane, yet you can only stay on the water portion.


><I remember trying out Super Mario
>Bros 2 for the first time >
>
>There have been so many Mario's...i
>can't remember what that one was about.
>I just remember leaves.

 From the first Nintendo.


>That gives me sooo many ideas...

Me too. {g}

Hm, I rarely talk about the 'behind the scenes' work that goes into a 
vid.  Usually, folks just want to see the end result.  It's not that I 
don't want to; it's just that it doesn't happen.


>You haven't been around the right HP/DM
>folks.

I'm beginning to wonder. {g}  Dunno, I'd like to chat about HP and HP slash 
but... my enthusiasm is at a low point, though I do admit getting a FA 
prize yesterday was very nice.  I didn't know we were suppose to get a free 
book until Heidi emailed me.

I think my waning interest is from being bombarded with email that I may 
never get around to reading.


>Seems like a lot to go through for to
>block one list member.  I should know,
>I've had to do it.

Yes, it is, which is why I also mentioned options of group owner account 
dying (e.g. hpchan) or other Yahoogroups' problems.  I know a member 
here... um, Steve(?) mentioned his *paid* Yahoo account was nuked.  The 
only reason why I brought up the third alternative as a 'suspected' reason 
was the timing of the group disappearing and previous posts referencing 
'rudeness in Harry/Draco folk'.


><Nevermind, a percentage also write
>Harry as crying at
>the drop of a pin.>
>
>You had a lot of teen girls on that
>list didn't you.

Possibly.  Again, it's the Harry slash fics I've seen.  Maybe it's about 
time I start reading the allegedly 'good' fics, instead of gambling on 
whatever's at AFF.net or FF.net.

Do you ever find yourself wondering if what you're reading is killing off 
more brain cells?

Although, I think reading a comment that the recent YM magazine has Britney 
Spears and Daniel Radcliffe as a 'love match' caused some neurons to keel 
over and die.


>I don't know why this
>happens, but teen girls writing H/D
>ends up with one of them being horribly
>OC and fem.

I don't mind the feminization, especially if they can get both female; 
however, the OC part does start getting a tad bit old.  For me, the 
'victimization' of Harry starts grating after awhile.

This reminds me of the argument about how unlikely it is for wizards to 
*always* be defenseless in a non-con situation.  The topic of 'wandless' 
magic is sometimes incorporated into fanfic--sometimes exaggerating it too 
much with a super duper strong Harry with optional lemon fresh scent.

However, I disagree it can be relied on for defense.  Go back to the BDSM 
graveyard scene from GOF and Harry couldn't tap into wandless magic against 
Wormtail's bindings--for example, Harry couldn't 'apparate' a short 
distance away like what he did to 'jump' onto the muggle school roof.  If 
wandless magic supposedly can kick in during emergencies, then you'd think 
being faced with the likelihood of death would have magical reserves 
working overtime, but it hasn't--probably being accustomed to a wand 
affects this.

Speaking of feminization, Drawn Together's Xandir.  LOL!  I saw this week's 
episode where Xandir has a 'gay bash' and Elmer Fudd gives him a BJ.  Then 
God sits next to a 'glory hole'?  Crude but I couldn't help but laugh.

Oh, and I'm currently listening to COS and it's on the duel scene where 
Millicent is wrestling Hermione.  I just remembered something I wondered 
about: if Bulstrode is a half blood per JKR's notes, could this possibly be 
one reason why she isn't referenced as hanging around with the other 
Slytherins?


>Just look at that one dance scene in
>the last chapter and be completely
>honest.  I can't trust my beta because
>she doesn't read or like slash.  She
>reads it for me, but her opinion is
>kind of...a mute point.

Err, your beta isn't into slash?  Give me a moment. {blink, blink}  Okay, I 
think I saw your fic--my inbox overfloweth--and I'll email you my comments.

Hm, some writers have their spouses, who may not be into slash, read their 
work, so yeah, maybe not as different.


>Astro, really crappy all in one model.

Err, my condolences?  My Gateway worked fine for the first 2-3 
years.  Remember when they used to have the program where you could trade 
in your used computer towards a new?  Like a used car.  I thought that 
*was* nifty, but I believe they stopped that years ago or made it not worth 
the effort.


>stress came out in my dream of, I'm
>going to die if I keep entering
>politics.

{g}  Points for a complicated dream with layers to it.

Speaking of dreams, usually, I can remember if a certain detail is HP canon 
or fanon or imagination, but this one scene where I could've *sworn* was in 
the book... well, wasn't.  I've listened to the HP audio books and did a 
search on the eBooks to no avail.

Um, Harry being aware Dumbledore and Snape had a conversation about his 
parseltongue ability *definitely* isn't canon?  For some reason, I can 
imagine *hearing* Jim Dale's impersonation of Dumbledore being calm and 
Snape going 'he's a *parseltongue*' (or parselmouth).  Err, but I also 
listen to the audio books while I'm sleeping. :-\  It's only this one scene.

Dina





From staceymateo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 17:06:11 2004
From: staceymateo at gmail.com (staceymateo)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:06:11 -0000
Subject: HBP printing
In-Reply-To: <cn3cud+uo1t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cn5eu3+jkr4@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Joshua Moses
> > <jmoses22002 at y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- corvus_three <corvus_three at y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I was talking to my brother-in-law the other day. 
> > > > His mom, who works for Scholastic, told him that HBP is 
> already being printed and boxed and stored under tight security.
> > > >  
> > > > I don't know how reliable this is, but I thought I would 
share.
> > > >  
> > > > Corvus 3
> > 
> > 
> > > Joshua:
> > >  
> > >   I think that is how unfounded rumors start.
> > > 
> > 
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > Sorry, but I have to side with Joshua on this.
> > 
> > If they were really that close to release of the book they would 
> have the marketing and media machines running at full speed. In 
> addition, if they books are already being printed and warehoused, 
> they would have published a release date, which they haven't.
> > 
> > I'm guessing the release date will be posted in late spring for a
> > release in the Fall/Autumn of next year, although I will gladly 
> take it sooner than that.
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> Ditto here on Joshua and bboyminn's comments! NO ONE'S security is 
> that good that a book this awaited could be printed and stored 
> without someone having blabbed by now! Remember the last book and 
> all the various leaks and ultimately copies being found before the 
> book was issued. I think we will have more of the same with this 
> book.
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

Stacey:
Also, by the time that the books were being printed for OotP and the 
missing copies etc., the release date had already been announced.  

I don't think that the book will show up in the Fall/Autumn 2005 
though.  The HP maketing machine will already be in full swing for 
GoF-the movie.  This will either move the book release up to Summer-
ish 2005 or Spring/Summer 2006.  Marketing tends to want to keep 
things fresh every 6 months, so interested  folks don't get 
overwhelmed with too much at once (book and movie around the same 
time).  One of my favorite authors told an Q&A group once that her 
publisher tends to hold onto her things and release every 3-4 months 
(she writes quite a bit and has a huge backlist to re-release every 
few years) to keep interest and dollars flowing for "new" things.  
Also, the GoF-the DVD will be releasing around Spring/Summer 2006, so 
that would make me think we are looking at a Summer 2005 release.  
Any longer than that without "new" HP could place the franchise in 
trouble.  OotP is out in paperback, paperbacks of previous books tend 
to hit the market about 6-8 months prior to release of new 
hardbacks.  GoF paperback was released August/September 2002 and OotP 
followed with a June 2003 release.  If that calendar is followed, we 
could be seeing HP and the HBP June 2005.

Stacey






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 13 20:04:29 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:04:29 -0000
Subject: HBP printing
In-Reply-To: <cn5eu3+jkr4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cn5pcd+bqka@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "staceymateo" 
<staceymateo at g...> wrote:> GoF paperback was released 
August/September 2002 and OotP 
> followed with a June 2003 release.  If that calendar is followed, 
we 
> could be seeing HP and the HBP June 2005.
> 

As far as people working for Scholastic, let me say that my mom 
worked for Scholastic for years, and knew the people in charge... and 
her prediction on OOTP was correct-- they were waiting for the new 
fiscal year. So, let's hope that if these other predictions of an 
earlier time don't jive, something after May will happen one year or 
the other...

--A.J.






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Nov 13 20:14:13 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:14:13 -0800
Subject: Games, Vids, Fanfic, etc. Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have no  class... watching Drawn Together
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Dina wrote:

<From the first Nintendo.>

I remember that part.  But there were
three for the first Nintendo, I tend to
get 2 and 3 mixed.

<Hm, I rarely talk about the 'behind
the scenes' work that goes into a
vid.>

Hmm, seems most viders are that way.

<Usually, folks just want to see the
end result.>

Not me.  I can't appreciate the final
product without knowing the sweat that
went into it's production.  Probably
stems from my years as an actress and
knowing the behind the scenes info on
productions.  The audience sees a nice
final bit, but I know why things are
the way they are...how many choices
were went through before deciding on a
hankie for a three second bit...Why a
section of the set is the wrong
colour...(I still can't see Pirates of
Penzance without remembering painting a
set wall while listening to Jack tell
how he figured when the play took
place...).  All that builds and when I
watch the first act of opening night,
it's all there.  It's not just a play,
or movie, or video, it's the climax of
six months of work.  The final product
is the end for me...not the whole
journey.

<instead of gambling on
whatever's at AFF.net or FF.net.>

Okay, I'll admit I'm a snob...I rarely
visit AFF.net or FF.net just because
there are no controls.  I've been
burned by too many fics.

<Do you ever find yourself wondering if
what you're reading is killing off
more brain cells?>

Not really because I don't read bad
fics.  If I can't stop making fun of
it, getting annoyed or giggling through
the first three chapters (or less),
then I kill it and move on.  There are
sometimes I just can't force myself to
read them.

<*snip wandless magic stuff*>

Well, we have proof from JKR herself
that wandless magic ISN"T that
powerful.  That's why wizards have
wands.  Think of it as a well where you
can get a trickle every now and then
from the earth itself, but you need the
equipment to get anything useable.

I do enjoy wandless characters at
times, since that's the kind of magic
I'm used to, but there's too much of a
chance of creating godly characters
that you have to be careful with it.

<could this possibly be
one reason why she isn't referenced as
hanging around with the other
Slytherins>

I thought she hung with Pansy during
one and two.  I thought the reason
she's not around much anymore is
because JKR is focusing on Malfoy,
Pansy and the brute squad.

<Err, your beta isn't into slash?  Give
me a moment. {blink, blink}>

Nope, but she's been a friend for
years, is a fellow writer and is bored.
So I gave her my beta job since I was
desperate.  She focuses on spelling and
grammar, both of which I have terrible
issues with due to my schooling, and
give occasional plot advice...though
she did tell me that the bathroom scene
in the last chapter confused her as
she's not used to those scenes.

<Um, Harry being aware Dumbledore and
Snape had a conversation about his
parseltongue ability *definitely* isn't
canon?>

Er...I don't think so but it does sound
familiar...

Saitaina
****
"We do not want to make bombs.  We give
you the uranium and you make what you
want."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From kkersey at swbell.net  Sun Nov 14 01:33:05 2004
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 01:33:05 -0000
Subject: Diagon Alley on-line game? A plea for help...
Message-ID: <cn6ckh+78s3@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone - 

Just popping in to see if anyone can help me find an on-line game that
my five-year-old desparately wants to play again... my bookmark file
was corrupted a few months ago, and, alas, I have no idea where this
site was, except that I had it bookmarked right after the NYTimes. Not
much help knowing that now, though. :(  I'm pretty sure someone posted
a link here, maybe a couple of years ago, but I can't get Yahoomort to
search that far back. Googling has been unsucessful so far, too.

The "game" is pretty much just wandering around Diagon Alley shopping.
You can go to Gringott's and exchange dollars or pounds for Galleons,
then go into various shops and buy robes, schoolbooks, potions, etc.

Does this ring a bell for anyone? I think the bookmark might have had
the site titled "Welcome to Virtual Wizarding World" or something
along those lines. I think it was flash animation.

Thanks,

Karen, who will return to lurkdom now...






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 14 05:02:16 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 14 Nov 2004 05:02:16 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1100408536.21.50083.m17@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 14, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sun Nov 14 15:34:42 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:34:42 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Diagon Alley on-line game? A plea for help...
Message-ID: <1c1.20638890.2ec8d512@aol.com>

Chamber of Secrets - The Ultimate Harry Potter Community  I believe this is 
the link you need.


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sun Nov 14 15:37:58 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:37:58 EST
Subject: HBP - Stacey
Message-ID: <1e4.2e3ad44e.2ec8d5d6@aol.com>

>>>"I don't think that the book will show up in the Fall/Autumn 2005 
though.  The HP maketing machine will already be in full swing for 
GoF-the movie.  This will either move the book release up to Summer-
ish 2005 or Spring/Summer 2006.  Marketing tends to want to keep 
things fresh every 6 months, so interested  folks don't get 
overwhelmed with too much at once (book and movie around the same 
time)."<<<  

Hi Stacey,

I completely agree with your timing.  I too believe we'll have a new book in 
the spring.  It's all a matter of marketing, movie release timing, etc.  

I wonder if the bookies in Vegas will start taking bets on THIS?  LOL

Luna


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 14 16:02:33 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 14 Nov 2004 16:02:33 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1100448153.39.50109.m10@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 14, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From boredbatty at comcast.net  Sun Nov 14 18:24:19 2004
From: boredbatty at comcast.net (boredbatty at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:24:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Diagon Alley on-line game? A plea for help...
In-Reply-To: <cn6ckh+78s3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.68.1576049072.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

http://www.gristiegraphics.co.uk/
 
Has a link to the site you're talking about. I think the Virtual Wizarding
World website might be down for maintenance. 
 
---erin
 
Bless you and yours
As well as the cottage you live in.
May the roof overhead be well thatched
And those inside be well matched.
 

  _____  

From: kkersey_austin [mailto:kkersey at swbell.net] 
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:33 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Diagon Alley on-line game? A plea for help...



Hi everyone - 

Just popping in to see if anyone can help me find an on-line game that
my five-year-old desparately wants to play again... my bookmark file
was corrupted a few months ago, and, alas, I have no idea where this
site was, except that I had it bookmarked right after the NYTimes. Not
much help knowing that now, though. :(  I'm pretty sure someone posted
a link here, maybe a couple of years ago, but I can't get Yahoomort to
search that far back. Googling has been unsucessful so far, too.

The "game" is pretty much just wandering around Diagon Alley shopping.
You can go to Gringott's and exchange dollars or pounds for Galleons,
then go into various shops and buy robes, schoolbooks, potions, etc.

Does this ring a bell for anyone? I think the bookmark might have had
the site titled "Welcome to Virtual Wizarding World" or something
along those lines. I think it was flash animation.

Thanks,

Karen, who will return to lurkdom now...





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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Nov 15 01:09:56 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:09:56 -0000
Subject: baked beans
In-Reply-To: <ck3rhl+b32h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cn8vl4+6015@eGroups.com>


David Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24638 on October
7 (I'm trying to catch up):
> 
> Surely this type of beans is an American recipe?  As in, Heinz Meanz 
> Beanz, and cowboys round the campfire with a pan, and so on.  Don't 
> you call them baked beans like we do?

American baked beans (often called "Boston baked beans" despite their
stong connotations of cowboys on the trail eating around a campfire)
don't resemble Sarah's explanation of haricot beans in tomato sauce.
They're some other kind of bean (navy? pinto?) in molasses sauce with
a bit of salt pork (or bacon) added. I have read that what we now call
'Boston baked beans' used to be called 'pease porridge'.

I'm so old that I still call haricot beans 'string beans' even tho'
their name has been changed to 'green beans'.






From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Nov 15 04:04:48 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:04:48 -0000
Subject: If LV won
In-Reply-To: <clhg12+d8mr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cn99t0+8m70@eGroups.com>


Steve bboyminn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24795 :

<< Good luck on your story. I don't think very many people, most
importantly the Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters, have really
thought about what the world will be like if Voldemort wins. Voldemort
may be good at coming up with Diabolical, but mostly irrational, 
plans, but he is completely incapable of running a functianal
society.  

He pictures himself standing on a grand balcony with the wizard world
bowing at his feet, but what is he going to do about the economy and
world trade, what is his foreign policy going to be like? The world
under Lord Voldemort that I see is a totally disfunctional
impoverished world that is doomed to failure on every front, and
with each failure Voldemort will have to become more dictatoris and
oppressive which means his world just becomes that much more
disfunctional. >>

As you know, I think it's much worse than that. You think LV will ruin
the economy and the environment by incompetence and negligence. I
think LV will ruin the economy and the environment ON PURPOSE. Because
LV gets his jollies from killing people and destroying things and
leaving mounds of wreckage in his wake. When he is no longer
distracted by the need to evade Aurors and seduce followers, he will
be free to spend his full time and all powers available to him
(including those of Imperio'd wizards) destroying more and better
things. The only thing that I can see stopping him from *trying* to
blast the Earth into little asteroids or make the Sun go nova is his
own desire for immortality. Considering the excellence of his
planning, as demonstrated so far, it seems to me not at all impossible
that he might *accidentally* make the Sun go nova when he was only
*trying* to bash Mercury into Venus.

<< Remember - "Tyranny is the architect of it's own doom." >>

Yeah, but a bloody lot of good that does the rest of us after LV has
pulled down the temple pillars on his and our heads, I mean made the
Sun go nova.






From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Nov 15 04:19:28 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:19:28 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter  JK Site, Theorys, and Questions (wasRe: JK's moth)
In-Reply-To: <1f0.2df53503.2eafc21b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cn9aog+d3ui@eGroups.com>


In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/24816 
Chancie wrote:

<< Also, I'm wondering if anyone has a theory on why we hear a dog
barking on her site?  I was thinking it could have something to do
with Sirius, or maybe even Lupin when he transforms.  But not really
anything more than that. >>

I think it's her own pet dog, whom I suppose is the one whose photo is
on the Extra Stuff bulletin board (look between the 'blank' parchment
and the 'eraser', to the left of the 'Fan Site' note), and mentioned
in the 'Mark Evans' FAQ: "Checks that Neil has immunized the dog and
Jessica has packed her Gameboy". 






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Nov 15 12:48:35 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:48:35 -0000
Subject: HPB release date (was HBP - Stacey)
In-Reply-To: <1e4.2e3ad44e.2ec8d5d6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cna8j3+107is@eGroups.com>


Luna wrote:

> I completely agree with your timing.  I too believe we'll have a 
new book in 
> the spring.  It's all a matter of marketing, movie release timing, 
etc.  

I think on the whole that spring or (more likely) summer next year 
is about right, but I don't believe movies and marketing (except for 
the logistics of getting the collateral for the book sorted out) 
have very much to do with it.

It became abundantly clear in the run-up to OOP that the only thing 
holding Bloomsbury and Scholastic back was that JKR wasn't ready.  
Bloomsbury were so impatient they made a sort of half-announcement 
and had to row back.  One of them had to publish their financial 
results IIRC without being able to give a date, with adverse 
consequences for their share price.

As far as I can see, the timing of each book is entirely up to JKR: 
if she hasn't finished, they can't publish; if she has, the 
publishers move with almost indecent haste to get the cash rolling 
in; she refuses (since GOF) to tie herself to a deadline and she has 
them over a barrel.  I doubt WB even get a look-in on this.

If you look back around Jan/Feb 03 on this list you will see 
extensive discussion of all these points.

David






From sally at gristiegraphics.co.uk  Mon Nov 15 14:26:05 2004
From: sally at gristiegraphics.co.uk (Sally Grist)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:26:05 -0000
Subject: Diagon Alley on-line game? A plea for help...
Message-ID: <cnae9t+9cbk@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone, 

Just come back from a week's holiday and discovered that I forgot to 
renew the hosting for virtualwizardworld.co.uk, and was greeted by a 
barrage of emails asking where has Diagon Alley gone???

Well I'm extremely flattered to discover that there are so many 
people out there who are familiar with my site, so here's a
general announcement to you all. For the time-being I've published 
everything to the following temporary urls:

http://www.gristiegraphics.co.uk/virtualwizardworld/diagonalley.html

and:

http://www.gristiegraphics.co.uk/virtualwizardworld/theBurrow.html

If you're interested I've also got similar virtual wizard shops at 
www.alivans.com, just follow the links to the Virtual Shop Tour and 
The Broom Closet. And while I'm indulging in a little shameless self 
promotion, I've also just published my latest interactive at 
www.silverdawnnantucket.com. Nothing to do with wizards, but a walk 
in the virtual garden to peruse some very appealing handcrafted 
jewellery is an interactive experience for mind body and soul.

There now I'll stop advertising and retreat back to lurking and 
creating more fantasy Flash worlds. I'll be sure to keep you all 
posted when Virtual Hogwarts finally goes live. 

Many thanks for your interest and my apologies for any inconvenience 
caused over the temporary downtime of the site.


Sally Grist
Minister of Flash Magic


 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, <boredbatty at c...> wrote:
> http://www.gristiegraphics.co.uk/
>  
> Has a link to the site you're talking about. I think the Virtual 
Wizarding
> World website might be down for maintenance. 
>  
> ---erin
>  
> Bless you and yours
> As well as the cottage you live in.
> May the roof overhead be well thatched
> And those inside be well matched.
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: kkersey_austin [mailto:kkersey at s...] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:33 PM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Diagon Alley on-line game? A plea for 
help...
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone - 
> 
> Just popping in to see if anyone can help me find an on-line game 
that
> my five-year-old desparately wants to play again... my bookmark 
file
> was corrupted a few months ago, and, alas, I have no idea where 
this
> site was, except that I had it bookmarked right after the NYTimes. 
Not
> much help knowing that now, though. :(  I'm pretty sure someone 
posted
> a link here, maybe a couple of years ago, but I can't get 
Yahoomort to
> search that far back. Googling has been unsucessful so far, too.
> 
> The "game" is pretty much just wandering around Diagon Alley 
shopping.
> You can go to Gringott's and exchange dollars or pounds for 
Galleons,
> then go into various shops and buy robes, schoolbooks, potions, 
etc.
> 
> Does this ring a bell for anyone? I think the bookmark might have 
had
> the site titled "Welcome to Virtual Wizarding World" or something
> along those lines. I think it was flash animation.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Karen, who will return to lurkdom now...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Mon Nov 15 23:39:03 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 15 Nov 2004 23:39:03 -0000
Subject: Poll results for HPFGU-OTChatter 
Message-ID: <1100561943.180.99251.w77@yahoogroups.com>



The following HPFGU-OTChatter poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: Vote for your favourite Hallowe'en 
pumpkin of 2004. One vote per person, 
voting to end on November 14th. Photos 
can be found in the photos section of 
this group, in the folder titled "2004 
Pumpkin contest". 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Cat pumpkin, 2 votes, 10.53%  
- Slytherin Snake pumpkin, 1 votes, 5.26%  
- Spider pumpkin, 4 votes, 21.05%  
- Wolf pumpkin, 12 votes, 63.16%  

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Cat pumpkin 
     - dhorton3 at cfl.rr.com 
     - wendydarling6402 at yahoo.com 
- Slytherin Snake pumpkin 
     - rickmanfan1994 at yahoo.com 
- Spider pumpkin 
     - s_ings at yahoo.com 
     - zanelupin at yahoo.com 
     - hphgrwlca at yahoo.com 
     - lunalovegood at shaw.ca 
- Wolf pumpkin 
     - illyana at mindspring.com 
     - swartell at yahoo.com 
     - annemehr at yahoo.com 
     - ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com 
     - penmouse756 at yahoo.com 
     - sad1199 at yahoo.com 
     - thekrenz at yahoo.com 
     - michel56 at earthlink.net 
     - stevejjen at earthlink.net 
     - garybec at yahoo.com 
     - ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com 
     - ianpaul2000 at yahoo.com 


For more information about this group, please visit 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter 

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 15 23:46:32 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:46:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Pumpkin Contest winner!
Message-ID: <20041115234632.78160.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>

As you've seen from the results of the poll, we have a
winner in this year's Pumpkin Contest.
Congratulations, Michele!

*tosses confetti*

Michele, if you would like to contact me offlist at
s_ings @ yahoo.com (without the spaces), we can make
arrangements for me to send your prize to you.

Thanks to those who participated by offering their
pumpkin photos for us to enjoy, and to those who voted
in the contest.

Sheryll
for the List Admin Team

______________________________________________________________________ 
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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Nov 16 18:14:04 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:14:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <002601c4c058$64071fa0$69206bd5@kathryn>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEOODFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

{Kathryn Cawte wrote}:
| A jumper is what Americans call a sweater.

{Lee}:
Okay, I haven't read through all the stuff here, so my query may have been
answered; if so, just pop me a note off list.

If a jumper is an American sweater, then what do the Brits call the
sleeveless dress-like garment under which one might wear a long-sleeved
blouse?  This is what we call a jumper...or used to when I was about twenty
or thirty years younger. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Ever Curious!)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 16 18:18:44 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:18:44 -0000
Subject: Call for Papers: The Witching Hour
Message-ID: <cndga4+ruba@eGroups.com>


CALL FOR PAPERS: THE WITCHING HOUR
Salem, MA
October 6-10, 2005
A Harry Potter Symposium presented by HP Education Fanon, Inc.

The Witching Hour is an interdisciplinary symposium designed to allow 
scholars and adult enthusiasts of the Harry Potter series to gather 
and share research. The conference programming will engage attendees 
in a broad exploration and understanding of the Harry Potter texts 
and phenomenon, as well as foster dialogue between academics and 
fans. The theme of the symposium ? as befits the season, locale and 
current tone of the series ? is choice, moral ambiguity and the 
darkness within everyone. While we shall warmly receive submissions 
dealing with our theme, we wish to stress that we welcome proposals 
on any and all topics ? whether academic, creative or fan ? relating 
to Harry Potter, including examinations of writing, art and young 
adult fantasy literature. Suggested topic tracks include, but are in 
no way limited to:

 - Literary: critical issues concerning the novels themselves, as 
well as the wider arena of children's and young adult literature, 
including structural analysis, genre considerations, and the response 
of the academic establishment and publishing industry

 - Social Sciences: critical responses to the texts through the 
lenses of anthropology, sociology, psychology, folklore, and so forth

 - Education: The use and abuse of the novels in the classroom and 
libraries, censorship controversies and teachers' and librarians' 
guides

 - Creative: Examinations of the writing or artistic creative process

 - Legal: Analyses of legal issues raised by the text of the novels, 
including wizarding law as set forth therein, and legal controversies 
relating to the phenomenon or the fan community

 - Fandom Studies: Studies of the fan response to the novels, 
including discussions of specific fan activities (e.g., vidding, 
artwork and fanfiction), and critical examinations of fanfictional 
tropes

 - Guides: Examinations of subjects such as the history of the 
wizarding world, a beginner's guide to the online fandom, and an 
overview of the numerous Harry Potter "companion" encyclopedias

 - Film: Critical responses to the Harry Potter films

 - Music: Studies of the use of music in the Harry Potter books, 
films and fan culture, such as analyses of the John Williams score or 
an examination of fans' musical activities

In addition to formal papers, The Witching Hour is seeking a variety 
of presentation models, including pre-organized critical panels, 
round table-style discussions, and craft-based workshops. Round table 
discussions will be in-depth explorations of academic, creative or 
fandom topics led by a presenter. Round table presenters must select 
a topic for discussion and moderate that discussion at the 
conference. Workshops are presenter-led, hands-on explorations of 
methodology and craft, be it writing, art, music or business. We 
intend that the round tables and workshops, in particular, focus on 
audience participation and interaction. Finally, our website contains 
a list of panels for which we are seeking participants. 

The Witching Hour is also looking for individuals to participate in a 
variety of fan-based programming. Fanfiction authors are invited to 
read their work before an audience and participate in a discussion of 
that work. We also seek a variety of staffers for the booths we are 
making available for attendees: beta booth, art critique booth, 
drabble booth and sketch booth. Fanfiction authors should be prepared 
to attach their work as part of the submissions process. Booth 
staffers should be prepared to demonstrate their qualifications 
through a test or inclusion of past work as part of the submissions 
process. All works used during presentation at The Witching Hour must 
comply with our NC-17 policy. 

All submissions, whether for programming, fanfiction reading or booth 
staffing, must be made electronically via http://www.witchinghour.org 
by May 15, 2005. Applicants for programming should be prepared to 
provide a 400-500 word abstract, a 50-100 word summary for program 
schedules, and a 50-100 word personal biographical note. Fanfiction 
authors should be prepared to submit the work they wish to read and a 
50-100 word personal biographical note. Booth staffers must be 
prepared to either submit past work or take a test, as appropriate. 
Presenters and staffers must be registered for the conference by 
August 1, 2005. Please direct all queries regarding programming to 
programming at witchinghour.org.

Please visit our website, http://www.witchinghour.org, for more 
information on these elements and the conference itself, as well as 
an overview of our review process for submissions and biographies of 
our review board members. To subscribe to our conference newsletter, 
please e-mail updates at witchinghour.org. 

HP Education Fanon, Inc. (HPEF) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit 
organization founded in 2002 to promote and produce educational, 
Harry Potter-themed symposia on an international scale. HPEF produced 
its first event, Nimbus ? 2003, in July 2003. More information can be 
found at http://www.witchinghour.org/who/hpef.html.








From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov 16 18:38:54 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:38:54 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: clothing
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEOODFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c4cc0b$87aa5490$69206bd5@kathryn>




>
> {Kathryn Cawte wrote}:
> | A jumper is what Americans call a sweater.
>
> {Lee}:
> Okay, I haven't read through all the stuff here, so my query may have been
> answered; if so, just pop me a note off list.
>
> If a jumper is an American sweater, then what do the Brits call the
> sleeveless dress-like garment under which one might wear a long-sleeved
> blouse?  This is what we call a jumper...or used to when I was about
twenty
> or thirty years younger. :-)
> >
>
>
K

A Pinafore or pinafore dress I should think. Apparently a pinafore is also
an apron that has a top rather than just covering from the waist down
(that's what my father says anyway, personally I'd just call it an apron)

K





From Botbyl at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 16 20:35:05 2004
From: Botbyl at hotmail.com (Kara Botbyl)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:35:05 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: clothing
Message-ID: <BAY13-F6VXLuSbh29cM00020b57@hotmail.com>



>From: "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at ntlworld.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: clothing
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:38:54 -0000
>
>
>
>
> >
> > {Kathryn Cawte wrote}:
> > | A jumper is what Americans call a sweater.
> >
> > {Lee}:
> > Okay, I haven't read through all the stuff here, so my query may have 
>been
> > answered; if so, just pop me a note off list.
> >
> > If a jumper is an American sweater, then what do the Brits call the
> > sleeveless dress-like garment under which one might wear a long-sleeved
> > blouse?  This is what we call a jumper...or used to when I was about
>twenty
> > or thirty years younger. :-)
> > >
> >
> >
>K
>
>A Pinafore or pinafore dress I should think. Apparently a pinafore is also
>an apron that has a top rather than just covering from the waist down
>(that's what my father says anyway, personally I'd just call it an apron)
>
>K
>
>
I'm an American from New Jersey.....I'm 18 and we call a jumper Over alls 
now. You know what farmers wear, or a jumper a jump suit anything thats a 
one piece outfit. You know what I'm talking about...lol

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 22:02:10 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:02:10 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEOODFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cndtd2+5unu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> If a jumper is an American sweater, then what do the Brits call the
> sleeveless dress-like garment under which one might wear a long-
sleeved
> blouse?  This is what we call a jumper...or used to when I was 
about twenty
> or thirty years younger. :-)

Do you mean a pinafore?  That woould be a sleeveless dress, or a tank 
top - a sleeveless knitted sweater. 
A waistcoat is what you would call a vest - so what do you call what 
we call a vest? (Underwear for upper body)
Sarah
also curious







From pbarhug at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 17 03:16:11 2004
From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:16:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: clothing
References: <cndtd2+5unu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004401c4cc53$dedb1c70$0301000a@DJZCB631>

Sarah wrote:

Do you mean a pinafore?  That woould be a sleeveless dress, or a tank 
top - a sleeveless knitted sweater. 
A waistcoat is what you would call a vest - so what do you call what 
we call a vest? (Underwear for upper body)
Sarah
also curious


pam replies:

We would just call that an undershirt.  And there are different types of undershirts as well.  The ones with the crew necks and short sleeves are generally referred to as t-shirts, while the tanks styles ones have become known as "wife-beaters."

Oh, the joys of language.
drpam


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Nov 17 17:49:30 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:49:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: Food
In-Reply-To: <cmipbm+hb54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEPKDFAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

{alshainofthenorth wrote]:
| Hope all Brits had a lovely Bonfire Night, by the way, without
| fireworks-related injuries. Am quietly celebrating by making jacket
| potatoes for dinner, will go and put them in the oven now...

[Lee]:
I've heard of "Jacket potatoes," and haven't the slightest idea of what they
are.  If it means with the skins still on them, I can't think of any other
way to bake them or roast them.  So, I await enlightenment. :-)

Cheers,
Lee (Who loves these word threads!) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 17:52:25 2004
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:52:25 -0000
Subject: BBC Newsrounds
Message-ID: <cng34p+tppl@eGroups.com>



HI!

I have found 6 clues for Book#6

that I would like to share with

group . . . Go to BBC Newsrounds

and find the story about JK being

almost halfway through Book#6 . . .

and there is 6 clues from the book.

Gail










From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 21:36:25 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:36:25 -0000
Subject: Continuing Education
In-Reply-To: <8e.19a5b921.2ec29a63@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cngg8p+nr0d@eGroups.com>


Luna asked:
> Is there such thing as a Masters in Lit?  I thought it was Masters in 
> Business, or Masters of Science, or Masters of Education ....
hhhmmmmmm.  Maybe I'll just go for another bachelors.  LOL  

Carol responds:
Absolutely there's such a thing! I have both a Masters and a PhD in
Lit. But your second Bachelors degree is a better idea if you don't
already have a major or minor in English.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 22:01:44 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:01:44 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food and bonfires (and Martha Carrier)
In-Reply-To: <000001c4c6d0$d13d01b0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cngho8+q82i@eGroups.com>


Yb:
>  
> > You were close: my method involves putting a pan in the oven, with 
> paper towels covering the bottom, and filling it about half full 
> with water. Then put the pudding (in its own dish, of course) in the 
> pan of water and bake for about 75 minutes. The trick is making
> > sure the water doesn't splash; and fishing the dish out of the pan 
> is easier said than done, as well.
<snip>
> I use it primarily because if the bottom of the dish I use (a glass
  > 7x11 baking dish, or something like that.) <snip>
> See my dish is actually in the water, submerged about 2/3 of the way
 > up the sides. That's why digging the thing out is so difficult (and
  > potentially painful).


Would a Pyrex or Corning Ware casserole dish with handles solve the
problem?

My apologies for picking up old threads but I've been in California
for a reunion where most of the relatives (including me) were
descendants of the Salem "witch," Martha Carrier. (She wasn't the
reason we were there, but there was a Martha Carrier section on the
genealogy display table.)

Carol 






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 22:12:18 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:12:18 -0000
Subject: HBP - Stacey
In-Reply-To: <1e4.2e3ad44e.2ec8d5d6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cngic2+j5ni@eGroups.com>


> >>>"I don't think that the book will show up in the Fall/Autumn 2005 
> though.  The HP maketing machine will already be in full swing for 
> GoF-the movie.  This will either move the book release up to Summer-
> ish 2005 or Spring/Summer 2006.  Marketing tends to want to keep 
> things fresh every 6 months, so interested  folks don't get 
> overwhelmed with too much at once (book and movie around the same 
> time)."<<<  
> 
> Hi Stacey,
> 
> I completely agree with your timing.  I too believe we'll have a new
book in the spring.  It's all a matter of marketing, movie release
timing, etc.  
<snip>
> Luna

Carol:
There's also the practical matter of completing the manuscript while
you're pregnant and raising a family, not to mention getting it
copyedited, set in type, proofread, corrected and bound. What the
publishers want in terms of marketing, etc., and what they get under
the circumstances may be two different things. Unlike most writers
(and editors), JKR is in a position to negotiate her deadlines. Wish I
were!

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 22:23:16 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:23:16 -0000
Subject: baked beans and prunes
In-Reply-To: <cn8vl4+6015@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cngj0k+i14u@eGroups.com>


<catlady at w...> wrote:
<snip>
> I'm so old that I still call haricot beans 'string beans' even tho'
> their name has been changed to 'green beans'.


Speaking of name changes, has anyone noticed that prunes are now
"dried plums," at least in the U.S.? Why? Has political correctness
gone so far that we can't refer to a fruit as a prune because the word
suggests wrinkles? Or is it because the manufacturers think we're too
ignorant to know what a prune is? I suppose raisins will become "dried
grapes" in the next few years. Why can't they leave the old names alone?

Carol






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 22:25:58 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:25:58 -0000
Subject: BBC Newsrounds
In-Reply-To: <cng34p+tppl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cngj5m+aij0@eGroups.com>


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25140

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "gwharrison53" 
<gwharrison53 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> HI!
> 
> I have found 6 clues for Book#6 that I would like to share with > 
> group . . . Go to BBC Newsrounds and find the story about JK being
> almost halfway through Book#6 . . .
> 
> and there is 6 clues from the book.
> 
> Gail

*****\(@@)/*****

Good article wasn't it? For those who want to look at it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/uk/newsid_3566000/3566714.stm

Gail, what would you like to discuss about the clues? We just love 
to start a good discussion here! (I just can't wait to see what goes 
on with Grawp!)

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From ginnysthe1 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 21:22:42 2004
From: ginnysthe1 at yahoo.com (ginnysthe1)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:22:42 -0000
Subject: Carol's thread ...
In-Reply-To: <cmrdmu+gge4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cngff2+sger@eGroups.com>



Hi! Kim here. Is this a private conversation or can anyone join 
in...? ;-)  This was an interesting thread and instead of just 
lurking, I thought I'd add my two cents in case anyone was still 
listening...

Carol wrote earlier:
>A Marketing major with a Lit minor might not be bad--one for the job 
opportunities and the other for cultural and intellectual 
enrichment. . . . "<

Luna replied:
>Yes, excellent idea ... Marketing major with a Lit minor.  I just 
did it all wrong when I went to school ... I let life interfere 
rather than staying focused on finishing my education. <snip>  I 
wonder if I could get my Masters in Lit?  Hhhmmmmmm ... I could get 
serious about that!  I love to write, but think I'm lousy at it, so 
further education would definitely be in order  :) <

Carol replied:
>I think you need at least a minor in English to get into a masters 
lit program. But if your interest is in creative writing, you *might* 
get into a masters program by submitting a piece of creative writing 
that the faculty member in charge considered promising, but that's a 
long shot. A better bet might be an adult education program in 
creative writing--a lot more fun, a lot less pressure, and a whole 
lot cheaper.  Just a thought, as Steve says.<

Kim's 2 (or maybe it's 22) cents:
After reading Luna's replies and already knowing Carol's posts from 
the HP canon discussion list, I'd venture to say that, college degree 
or not, writers show themselves, whether they realize it or not! As a 
reader, poster, and sometimes "critic" on the HP list, I'd say Luna 
already knows how to put sentences together pretty well.  It was a 
tad sad to read that you think you're lousy at writing -- I'd bet you 
aren't lousy at all, and believing in yourself can be half the 
battle.  I believe in you and I don't even know you :-).   So even if 
you decide to go back to school for a degree in literature, if you 
already love the idea of becoming a writer, whatever kind of writer 
you may become, by all means, go for it now, whenever you find the 
time.  That's what I do, anyway.  It's a great creative outlet if 
nothing else, and you never know where creative outlets can lead...  
Besides, just think of JKR's website or read about her or other 
writers' habits -- you could try something like keeping a little 
notepad and pen in your pocket whenever you can.  If you see 
something that catches your fancy, if an interesting idea comes to 
mind, jot it down.  Come back to it later, read it again, add a 
little here and there, etc.  Pull out your pocket Roget's thesaurus 
to look up different words, pull out your pocket dictionary to look 
up meanings, whatever it takes.  Don't expect too much right away -- 
it's a little bit like planting a seed -- you wouldn't expect it to 
grow into a tree right away, would you.  Your creativity is like a 
seed.

Also you might want to consider some of the *great* writers of all 
times.  Abraham Lincoln, for example (no, I'm not kidding).  He never 
even went to college!  If you can find the Gettysburg Address online, 
you might want to read it as an example of beautiful writing (and 
it's short too).  Maybe not perfect, but very beautiful, IMO.  You 
might look upon Old Abe as an inspiration. 

Of course there are practical aspects to almost any pursuit, so going 
for a degree isn't a bad idea at all, and Carol's suggestion to try 
adult ed. classes is a good one.  You can learn a lot in them.  But 
til you do, why not use the intervening time to "practice"?   My 
guess is that Carol already had a natural talent for writing even 
before she went to university and got her degrees.  If Luna hasn't 
been on the HP canon list and read Carol's posts there yet, she's 
missing something (and hey, I'm not buttering anyone up -- this post 
is essentially anonymous -- I've got nothing to gain or lose). 

Anyhow, maybe you already know all this, so maybe I'm just preaching 
to the choir.  In that case just consider this a letter from 
a "cheerleader."

Cheers, Kim 









From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 22:46:58 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:46:58 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-F6VXLuSbh29cM00020b57@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <cngkd2+qs0r@eGroups.com>


Lee wrote:
<snip>
> > > If a jumper is an American sweater, then what do the Brits call
the sleeveless dress-like garment under which one might wear a
long-sleeved blouse?  This is what we call a jumper...or used to when
I was about twenty or thirty years younger. :-)

> >K
> >
> >A Pinafore or pinafore dress I should think. Apparently a pinafore
is also an apron that has a top rather than just covering from the
waist down(that's what my father says anyway, personally I'd just call
it an apron)

(unsigned post):
> I'm an American from New Jersey.....I'm 18 and we call a jumper Over
alls now. You know what farmers wear, or a jumper a jump suit anything
thats a one piece outfit. You know what I'm talking about...lol

Carol:
Well, no, not exactly. Overalls have been called overalls since at
least the 1950s, maybe even the 1930s. A jumper, as Lee said, is a
sleeveless dress worn over a blouse (not necessarily long-sleeved).
Here's a photo to show what she's talking about, though when I was
young, jumpers were knee-length, not mid-calf or longer like this one:

http://www.blair.com/prodimg/image6/w03539f.jpg

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 23:12:40 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:12:40 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <cndtd2+5unu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnglt8+hhua@eGroups.com>


Lee wrote:
> > If a jumper is an American sweater, then what do the Brits call the
> > sleeveless dress-like garment under which one might wear a long-
> sleeved blouse?  This is what we call a jumper...or used to when I was 
> about twenty or thirty years younger. :-)
> 
> Do you mean a pinafore?  That woould be a sleeveless dress, or a tank 
> top - a sleeveless knitted sweater. 
> A waistcoat is what you would call a vest - so what do you call what 
> we call a vest? (Underwear for upper body)
> Sarah
> also curious

Carol:
Waistcoat, weskit, vest: I think that's the etymology, but I didn't
look it up. When I was young, a girl's sleeveless undershirt was
simply that: an undershirt. Now the fancy ones are called camisoles.

http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/images/us/local/products/thumb/f06074_th.jpg

For men, a sleeveless undershirt was an undershirt; a short-sleeved
one was a T-shirt. Now T-shirts are colorful and worn as "outerwear."
(Grits teeth at the term.) I've been divorced for for quite some time,
so my terminology may be out of date. Also, Arizona men don't seem to
wear undershirts of either type, though they probably should!

As for pinafores, the term was formerly used for a frilly apron with a
sort of bib in front, worn by little girls (and Raggedy Ann dolls)
from the nineteenth century until the early 1950s to protect their
dresses from spills:

http://www.ushist.com/wardrobe/thumbs/lfhp_girls_pinafore_001_w-hat.jpg

It does seem to be used for jumpers now, judging from the photos I
found in a Google image search.

Carol, who has been informed by her son-in-law that real men don't
wear pajamas






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 23:39:25 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:39:25 -0000
Subject: Lit. major (Was: Carol's thread ...)
In-Reply-To: <cngff2+sger@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cngnfd+q1bj@eGroups.com>


> Hi! Kim here. Is this a private conversation or can anyone join 
> in...? ;-)  This was an interesting thread and instead of just 
> lurking, I thought I'd add my two cents in case anyone was still 
> listening...
> 
Carol responds:
I don't know who named this thread after me, but it isn't a private
conversation and anyone is welcome to join. I've retitled the thread
to fit the topic.

> Carol wrote earlier:
> >A Marketing major with a Lit minor might not be bad--one for the job 
> opportunities and the other for cultural and intellectual 
> enrichment. . . . "<
> 
> Luna replied:
> >Yes, excellent idea ... Marketing major with a Lit minor.  I just 
> did it all wrong when I went to school ... I let life interfere 
> rather than staying focused on finishing my education. <snip>  I 
> wonder if I could get my Masters in Lit?  Hhhmmmmmm ... I could get 
> serious about that!  I love to write, but think I'm lousy at it, so 
> further education would definitely be in order  :) <
> 
> Carol replied:
> >I think you need at least a minor in English to get into a masters 
> lit program. But if your interest is in creative writing, you *might* 
> get into a masters program by submitting a piece of creative writing 
> that the faculty member in charge considered promising, but that's a 
> long shot. A better bet might be an adult education program in 
> creative writing--a lot more fun, a lot less pressure, and a whole 
> lot cheaper.  Just a thought, as Steve says.<
> 
> Kim's 2 (or maybe it's 22) cents:
> After reading Luna's replies and already knowing Carol's posts from 
> the HP canon discussion list, I'd venture to say that, college
degree or not, writers show themselves, whether they realize it or
not! As a 
> reader, poster, and sometimes "critic" on the HP list, I'd say Luna 
> already knows how to put sentences together pretty well.

Carol responds:

Yes, she does, but that's not what a creative writing program or a
masters lit. program is about. The one teaches you specific techniques
for writing fiction or poetry; the other focuses on literary criticism
(analyzing literary works--modern or classic--that have already been
written). Both types of programs *assume* that the student already
knows how to put sentences (and paragraphs) together effectively.


Kim wrote:
<snip> So even if 
> you decide to go back to school for a degree in literature, if you 
> already love the idea of becoming a writer, whatever kind of writer 
> you may become, by all means, go for it now, whenever you find the 
> time.  That's what I do, anyway.  It's a great creative outlet if 
> nothing else, and you never know where creative outlets can lead...  
> Besides, just think of JKR's website or read about her or other 
> writers' habits -- you could try something like keeping a little 
> notepad and pen in your pocket whenever you can.  If you see 
> something that catches your fancy, if an interesting idea comes to 
> mind, jot it down.  Come back to it later, read it again, add a 
> little here and there, etc.  Pull out your pocket Roget's thesaurus 
> to look up different words, pull out your pocket dictionary to look 
> up meanings, whatever it takes.  Don't expect too much right away -- 
> it's a little bit like planting a seed -- you wouldn't expect it to 
> grow into a tree right away, would you.  Your creativity is like a 
> seed.
> 
Carol responds:
Sure, anyone can write fanfic, or a novel, for that matter, but not
just anyone can get published. A creative writing course taught by a
published writer would help you learn what works and what doesn't.
You'd get feedback not only from the teacher but from your fellow
students. Writers groups also provide feedback, and there are lots of
online discussion groups as well.

> Also you might want to consider some of the *great* writers of all 
> times.  Abraham Lincoln, for example (no, I'm not kidding).  He
never even went to college!  If you can find the Gettysburg Address
online, you might want to read it as an example of beautiful writing
(and it's short too).  Maybe not perfect, but very beautiful, IMO. 
You might look upon Old Abe as an inspiration. 

Carol responds:
"Old Abe" was an autodidact who read the classics and picked up
certain rhetorical devices, for example parallel structure ("of the
people, by the people, for the people"), that he was able to apply in
his own writing. Not everyone has an ear for rhythm and alliteration.
And to my knowledge, he didn't write fiction, which has different
conventions altogether.


> 
> Of course there are practical aspects to almost any pursuit, so
going for a degree isn't a bad idea at all, and Carol's suggestion to try 
> adult ed. classes is a good one.  You can learn a lot in them.  But 
> til you do, why not use the intervening time to "practice"?   My 
> guess is that Carol already had a natural talent for writing even 
> before she went to university and got her degrees.

Carol responds:
Thank you! I did get A's in all my English classes and secretly wrote
novels, which I kept under my pillow, when I was supposedly doing my
math homework. But, um, we won't talk about that, as they're not
exactly publishable!

  If Luna hasn't 
> been on the HP canon list and read Carol's posts there yet, she's 
> missing something (and hey, I'm not buttering anyone up -- this post 
> is essentially anonymous -- I've got nothing to gain or lose). <snip>

Carol responds:
Again, thank you! BTW, I've been away for four days and am trying to
get caught up here. I don't suppose I'll ever get caught up on the
main list.

Carol, who should be editing a novel manuscript but has three weeks
till her deadline







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 01:22:39 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:22:39 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <004401c4cc53$dedb1c70$0301000a@DJZCB631>
Message-ID: <cngtgv+nhah@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Pam Hugonnet" <pbarhug at e...>
wrote:
> Sarah wrote:
> 
> Do you mean a pinafore?  That woould be a sleeveless dress, or a 
> tank  top - a sleeveless knitted sweater. 
>
> A waistcoat is what you would call a vest - so what do you call what 
> we call a vest? (Underwear for upper body)
> Sarah
> also curious

 
> pam replies:
> 
> We would just call that an undershirt.  And there are different
types of undershirts as well.  The ones with the crew necks and short
sleeves are generally referred to as t-shirts, while the tanks styles
ones have become known as "wife-beaters."
> 
> Oh, the joys of language.
> drpam


bboyminn:

Men's Sleeveless T-shirt = Tank Top, tank, A-shirt, Athletic shirt,
wife-beater. This is the type that has somewhat strap-like bit of
cloth over the shoulders and a slightly plunging neckline.

The term 'wife-beater' comes from the typically low-class rowdy
hard-drinking redneck tough-guy types who wear them as outerwear and
are seen as the low-class types that are likely to beat their wives.

A standard T-shirt (crew-neck) but without sleeves is a 'muscle shirt'
because it shows off the muscles in your arms. 

To me, an American, a 'waist-coat' is a slighly formal jacket that
ends at the waist. Similar to the jacket worn by waiters in fancy
restaurants; looking much like a tailcoat with out the tails.

A 'vest' is always sleeveless and is very similar to the /waist-coat/
described above but without sleeves. This is typcially part of a
'three piece suit'; Jacket, pants, and vest. In this light, I guess a
vest could be called 'middle-wear'. Usually found in two styles the
slightly formal suit style and the more informal cowboy/biker style.
Cowboy/biker styles are frequently made out of leather, both rough and
smooth.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn
(was bboy_mn)







From ginnysthe1 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 02:26:20 2004
From: ginnysthe1 at yahoo.com (ginnysthe1)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:26:20 -0000
Subject: Lit. major (Was: Carol's thread ...)
In-Reply-To: <cngnfd+q1bj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnh18c+jj0f@eGroups.com>


Kim wrote:
Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in...? ;-)  This 
was an interesting thread and instead of just lurking, I thought I'd 
add my two cents in case anyone was still listening...

Carol responded:
I don't know who named this thread after me, but it isn't a private 
conversation and anyone is welcome to join. I've retitled the thread 
to fit the topic.

Kim right now:
I didn't mean to be taken literally there, about joining in the 
conversation.  I tend to joke when I write and that was an 
opportunity to reword an old expression that I like.  Not everyone 
knows that expression perhaps, but those who do might be able to 
guess my ethnic background.  Anyhow thanks for the retitling, 
although the thread is still named after you, isn't it...?

Carol wrote earlier (to Luna):
A Marketing major with a Lit minor might not be bad--one for the job 
opportunities and the other for cultural and intellectual 
enrichment. . . .

Luna replied:
Yes, excellent idea ... Marketing major with a Lit minor.  I just did 
it all wrong when I went to school ... I let life interfere rather 
than staying focused on finishing my education. <snip>  I wonder if I 
could get my Masters in Lit?  Hhhmmmmmm ... I could get serious about 
that!  I love to write, but think I'm lousy at it, so further 
education would definitely be in order  :)

[After which Kim should have sandwiched in:
No, no, not a Marketing major!! What a way to kill your creativity... 
just kidding, sort of]

Carol replied (to Luna):
I think you need at least a minor in English to get into a masters 
lit program. But if your interest is in creative writing, you *might* 
get into a masters program by submitting a piece of creative writing 
that the faculty member in charge considered promising, but that's a 
long shot. A better bet might be an adult education program in 
creative writing--a lot more fun, a lot less pressure, and a whole 
lot cheaper.  Just a thought, as Steve says.

At last Kim added her own 22 cents:
After reading Luna's replies and already knowing Carol's posts from 
the HP canon discussion list, I'd venture to say that, college degree 
or not, writers show themselves, whether they realize it or not! As a 
reader, poster, and sometimes "critic" on the HP list, I'd say Luna 
already knows how to put sentences together pretty well.

Carol responded:
Yes, she does, but that's not what a creative writing program or a 
masters lit. program is about. The one teaches you specific 
techniques for writing fiction or poetry; the other focuses on 
literary criticism (analyzing literary works--modern or classic--that 
have already been written). Both types of programs *assume* that the 
student already knows how to put sentences (and paragraphs) together 
effectively.

Kim now:
I didn't mean to imply that putting sentences (and paragraphs) 
together well was all it took to be a writer, if that's what it 
seemed like I was saying, though it is a big part of being a good 
writer.  But neither is a good writer made by going through a 
creative writing or masters lit. program.  If you're really 
determined to write well, you don't *have* to attend such programs, 
do you?  Not everyone can afford them to start off with.  Not in this 
country (the U.S.) anyway.  I thought that's why you suggested Luna 
try adult ed. classes.  What if she could never afford more than 
that, should she just give up?

Kim wrote (to Luna):
So even if you decide to go back to school for a degree in 
literature, if you already love the idea of becoming a writer, 
whatever kind of writer you may become, by all means, go for it now, 
whenever you find the time.  That's what I do, anyway.  It's a great 
creative outlet if nothing else, and you never know where creative 
outlets can lead...  Besides, just think of JKR's website or read 
about her or other writers' habits -- you could try something like 
keeping a little notepad and pen in your pocket whenever you can.  If 
you see something that catches your fancy, if an interesting idea 
comes to mind, jot it down.  Come back to it later, read it again, 
add a little here and there, etc.  Pull out your pocket Roget's 
thesaurus to look up different words, pull out your pocket dictionary 
to look up meanings, whatever it takes.  Don't expect too much right 
away -- it's a little bit like planting a seed -- you wouldn't expect 
it to grow into a tree right away, would you.  Your creativity is 
like a seed.

Carol responds:
Sure, anyone can write fanfic, or a novel, for that matter, but not 
just anyone can get published. A creative writing course taught by a 
published writer would help you learn what works and what doesn't. 
You'd get feedback not only from the teacher but from your fellow 
students. Writers groups also provide feedback, and there are lots of 
online discussion groups as well.

Kim now:
Well, no, not anyone can write fanfic or a novel.  Or let me be 
specific, not anyone can write *good* fanfics or novels (of course, 
there's disagreement among various circles as to what's *good* and 
what's not).  I've written neither fanfic nor novel, not yet anyway.  
I was only trying to encourage Luna to go ahead and write, just take 
the plunge, for now.  I don't know what she wants for the future.  To 
publish a novel, write online fanfic, write cookbooks?  Or maybe to 
teach literature classes of her own?  In the few literature classes 
I've taken over the years (not to mention art and dance classes), 
it's sad to say that I received more discouragement than 
encouragement from people who probably shouldn't have been teaching 
in the first place.  So, buyer beware!  But, yes, if adult ed. or 
other sources offer affordable creative writing courses and she can 
find a writers group or online discussion group, go for it!  

Kim had written (to Luna):
Also you might want to consider some of the *great* writers of all 
times.  Abraham Lincoln, for example (no, I'm not kidding).  He never 
even went to college!  If you can find the Gettysburg Address online, 
you might want to read it as an example of beautiful writing (and 
it's short too).  Maybe not perfect, but very beautiful, IMO. You 
might look upon Old Abe as an inspiration.

Carol responded:
"Old Abe" was an autodidact who read the classics and picked up 
certain rhetorical devices, for example parallel structure ("of the 
people, by the people, for the people"), that he was able to apply in 
his own writing.  Not everyone has an ear for rhythm and alliteration.

Kim now:
Your point being...?  Yes, Lincoln was self-taught and so were a lot 
of other great writers (Charles Dickens, anyone?)  BTW, Carol, do you 
lean more toward criticism in your own writing?  Am I wrong to assume 
you don't like Abraham Lincoln or the way he writes?  If so, there 
are lots of people who would disagree.  But that's not the point 
either.   

Carol continued:
And to my knowledge, he didn't write fiction, which has different 
conventions altogether.

Kim again now:
I didn't say Lincoln did write fiction and that wasn't my point in 
using him as an example.  But those could be stumbling blocks for an 
aspiring creative writer, those old conventions...  (Off topic 
slightly, where do those conventions come from anyway?  I mean, who 
says!?  And have you ever read Jose Saramago, Bruno Schulz, James 
Joyce, to name a few?  They seem rather unconventional to me, but the 
way they write blows me away.  But what do I know, I wasn't a lit. 
major ;-))

Kim wrote:
Of course there are practical aspects to almost any pursuit, so going 
for a degree isn't a bad idea at all, and Carol's suggestion to try 
adult ed. classes is a good one.  You can learn a lot in them.  But 
til you do, why not use the intervening time to "practice"?   My 
guess is that Carol already had a natural talent for writing even 
before she went to university and got her degrees.

Carol responded:
Thank you! I did get A's in all my English classes and secretly wrote 
novels, which I kept under my pillow, when I was supposedly doing my  
math homework. But, um, we won't talk about that, as they're not 
exactly publishable!

Kim now:
OK, then I won't ask what you wrote about and why they aren't 
publishable...

Kim wrote:
If Luna hasn't been on the HP canon list and read Carol's posts there 
yet, she's missing something (and hey, I'm not buttering anyone up -- 
this post is essentially anonymous -- I've got nothing to gain or 
lose).

Carol responded:
Again, thank you! BTW, I've been away for four days and am trying to 
get caught up here. I don't suppose I'll ever get caught up on the 
main list.
[signed]
Carol, who should be editing a novel manuscript but has three weeks 
till her deadline

Kim finishes (to Carol):
I wish I could catch up on the main list too, but I gave up on that 
long ago [sigh].   And I'm glad you're taking time out from editing 
to do some creative online conversing!  

Kim (who thinks Carol should go back to writing her own novels, if 
for no other reason than pure pleasure... or spite)








From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Nov 18 04:16:43 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:16:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bertie Botts Move Over... Company Again Touting
 Weird Soda Flavors
In-Reply-To: <4990.4.47.27.233.1099963698.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEABDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Dina, that's a hoot!  I know some of those flavours may sound gross, but I'm
crazy enough to want to find them just to say I--uh--tried???

Hmm--gotta wonder what they look like, but maybe I've got an advantage being
totally blind. <BEG>

Cheers,
Lee :-)







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 16:37:47 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:37:47 -0000
Subject: baked beans and prunes
In-Reply-To: <cngj0k+i14u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnij4r+s3mv@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> <catlady at w...> wrote:
> <snip>
> > I'm so old that I still call haricot beans 'string beans' even tho'
> > their name has been changed to 'green beans'.
> 
> 
> Speaking of name changes, has anyone noticed that prunes are now
> "dried plums," at least in the U.S.? Why? Has political correctness
> gone so far that we can't refer to a fruit as a prune because the word
> suggests wrinkles? Or is it because the manufacturers think we're too
> ignorant to know what a prune is? I suppose raisins will become "dried
> grapes" in the next few years. Why can't they leave the old names alone?
> 
> Carol

Nah, it's just because the word "prune" connotes "fruit you would
never dream of eating except that you need the fiber to keep
'regular.'"  It's merely an image makeover.

Annemehr







From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 17:14:26 2004
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:14:26 -0000
Subject: BBC Newsrounds
In-Reply-To: <cngj5m+aij0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnil9i+7lun@eGroups.com>


HI!

I like finding out stuff about H P !

On JK's site, when the door was open,

you cound find out the name of 3

Chapters for Book#6.

But one of the clues at the BBC site,

Aberforth Dumbledore being the barman

at the Hogs Head . . . I had guessed

that one (hahaha) .  Then the one about

GRAWP being more controllable ?  How

can that be managed ?

Gail



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25140
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "gwharrison53" 
> <gwharrison53 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > HI!
> > 
> > I have found 6 clues for Book#6 that I would like to share with > 
> > group . . . Go to BBC Newsrounds and find the story about JK being
> > almost halfway through Book#6 . . .
> > 
> > and there is 6 clues from the book.
> > 
> > Gail
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> Good article wasn't it? For those who want to look at it:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/uk/newsid_3566000/3566714.stm
> 
> Gail, what would you like to discuss about the clues? We just love 
> to start a good discussion here! (I just can't wait to see what 
goes 
> on with Grawp!)
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****






From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 18:53:49 2004
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:53:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BBC Newsrounds
In-Reply-To: <1100803057.2399.3435.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041118185349.88685.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com>


Gail wrote:
> But one of the clues at the BBC site,
> Aberforth Dumbledore being the barman
> at the Hogs Head . . . I had guessed
> that one (hahaha) .  Then the one about

I'd just like to point out that if you read the full
transcript of the Q & A (which is still the top news
item on jkrowling.com) you'll see that she DOESN"T
actually confirm this. She comes very close, in fact I
think she tapdances the question quite masterfully.
She certainly strongly IMPLIES it "Ooh... you are
getting good" and "I was quite proud of that clue."
but then she finishes neatly with "That is all that I
am going to say." So, while I still think it likely
that he IS Aberforth, she does not give the question a
straight answer, which implies that whether or not he
is Aberforth becomes a relatively important plot point
in either book six or seven.

Flop

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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 19:34:39 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:34:39 -0000
Subject: BBC Newsrounds
In-Reply-To: <20041118185349.88685.qmail@web41205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cnitgf+88os@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Maria Holub <sopraniste at y...>
wrote:
> 
> Gail wrote:
> > But one of the clues at the BBC site,
> > Aberforth Dumbledore being the barman
> > at the Hogs Head . . . I had guessed
> > that one (hahaha) .  Then the one about
> 
> I'd just like to point out that if you read the full
> transcript of the Q & A (which is still the top news
> item on jkrowling.com) you'll see that she DOESN"T
> actually confirm this. She comes very close, in fact I
> think she tapdances the question quite masterfully.
> She certainly strongly IMPLIES it "Ooh... you are
> getting good" and "I was quite proud of that clue."
> but then she finishes neatly with "That is all that I
> am going to say." So, while I still think it likely
> that he IS Aberforth, she does not give the question a
> straight answer, which implies that whether or not he
> is Aberforth becomes a relatively important plot point
> in either book six or seven.
> 
> Flop

I like to amuse myself by thinking that, at least part of the time,
the barman was Albus dressed in Aberforth's clothes.

'Idiot girl - Dumbledore won't be sitting in a pub when the whole
Ministry's looking for him!' -- Dolores Umbridge (ch. 32)

Annemehr







From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Nov 18 19:48:09 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:48:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit-Speak: clothing
In-Reply-To: <cnglt8+hhua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEAKDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Ah, Carol, :-)
Words can be fun, and it does boggle the mind how things change over the
years. <Snicker>

You said:

| Carol:
| Waistcoat, weskit, vest: I think that's the etymology, but I didn't
| look it up. When I was young, a girl's sleeveless undershirt was
| simply that: an undershirt. Now the fancy ones are called camisoles.
|
| http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/images/us/local/products/thumb/
| f06074_th.jpg
|
| For men, a sleeveless undershirt was an undershirt; a short-sleeved
| one was a T-shirt. Now T-shirts are colorful and worn as "outerwear."
| (Grits teeth at the term.) I've been divorced for for quite some time,
| so my terminology may be out of date. Also, Arizona men don't seem to
| wear undershirts of either type, though they probably should!

[Lee]:
<LOL>
And now, the sleeveless shirts if worn as outer-garments are "tank tops" (if
the shoulder is only a strap) which apply to men or women in the US, and the
full-shouldered tops with no sleeves are--uh--shells, I believe, in US
terms. AAAAK! And I don't know the british counterparts to these terms.

A vest is usually something like a sleeveless item that buttons or zips in
the front and is worn over a shirt or blouse, i.e. part of a three-piece
suit.  There are also pull-over vests.

Okay, are we all quite thoroughly confused now? :-)

[Carol]:
| As for pinafores, the term was formerly used for a frilly apron with a
| sort of bib in front, worn by little girls (and Raggedy Ann dolls)
| from the nineteenth century until the early 1950s to protect their
| dresses from spills:
|
| http://www.ushist.com/wardrobe/thumbs/lfhp_girls_pinafore_001_w-hat.jpg
|
| It does seem to be used for jumpers now, judging from the photos I
| found in a Google image search.
|
| Carol, who has been informed by her son-in-law that real men don't
| wear pajamas

[Lee]:
<Grin> Often the case, but they gotta have nice comfortable bathrobes
(dressing gowns).  :-)

Cheers,
Lee :-)
(Who loves this exchange of cultures!)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 20:24:49 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:24:49 -0000
Subject: BBC Newsrounds
In-Reply-To: <cnil9i+7lun@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnj0eh+o01j@eGroups.com>


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25154

-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "gwharrison53" 
<gwharrison53 at y...> wrote:
> 
> HI!
> 
> I like finding out stuff about H P ! On JK's site, when the door 
was open, you cound find out the name of 3 Chapters for Book#6.
> But one of the clues at the BBC site, Aberforth Dumbledore being 
the barman at the Hogs Head . . . I had guessed that one (hahaha) .  
Then the one about GRAWP being more controllable ?  How can that be 
managed ?
> 
> Gail
> 
>For start of this thread see: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25140
> > 
*****\(@@)/*****

I like the idea that Aberforth is the barman! Maybe we will get to 
see him again in book 6 or 7. Interesting that he is the barman of a 
place that is somewhat in disrepute! Sounds like it is in keeping 
with his character (he, he)!

Hagrid has proven before that he has the ability to "tame" things. 
Maybe not to the level that you could bring them to tea but he seems 
to manage them well. I always believed that if he had been able to 
keep Norbert, England would have had its first tame (sort of) 
dragon! Grawp may provide some comic relief but I think ultimately 
the idea is that nothing/no one (except LV) is a total loss if 
someone is willing to put the time and effort to reach out. We saw 
in OoP that Hagrid had made a very small bit of headway with Grawp 
and since he seems to now recognize Hermione, she may be a greater 
influence than we think. At least if it gets her off the House Elf 
thing..... At least she learned to knit!

Speaking of knitting......(my thing here!) has anyone seen the new 
PoA desk appointment calendar? It is in green velvet this year and 
has VERY nice pictures of SWEATERS that I am dying to 
reproduce.....There is also one really great picture of Harry's 
Quiddich Sweater. I haven't bought the wall calendar - it was only 
artwork not pictures that I didn't care for so much but I have on 
order Mary Grand Pre's HP artwork wall calendar and it looks just 
great.

Gail, join us for Sunday Chat! Just go into the chat feature in the 
box at the left and type in the box /join HP:1 and come chat - we 
are pretty laid back and talk about everything! Generally there is 
someone here from: 

11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern
7 pm UK time

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 19:10:15 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:10:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: baked beans and prunes
In-Reply-To: <1100803057.2399.3435.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041118191015.1431.qmail@web51702.mail.yahoo.com>

 Those sorts of image makeovers happen all the time. 
Chilean sea bass (yummy) used to be known as
Patagonian toothfish (eeewww!). 

Changing the name of something to make it more
palatable happens in other areas besides food. For
example, the phrase 'compassionate conservative'...

Tyler


> 
> Speaking of name changes, has anyone noticed that
prunes are now
> "dried plums," at least in the U.S.? Why? Has
political correctness
> gone so far that we can't refer to a fruit as a
prune because the 
word
> suggests wrinkles? Or is it because the
manufacturers think we're too
> ignorant to know what a prune is? 
> Carol

Nah, it's just because the word "prune" connotes
"fruit you would
never dream of eating except that you need the fiber
to keep
'regular.'"  It's merely an image makeover.




		
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 21:50:41 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:50:41 -0000
Subject: baked beans and prunes
In-Reply-To: <20041118191015.1431.qmail@web51702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cnj5fh+kroj@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt at y...>
wrote:
>  Those sorts of image makeovers happen all the time. 
> Chilean sea bass (yummy) used to be known as
> Patagonian toothfish (eeewww!).
 
Or like mahi mahi, which used to be called dolphin ("no, no, ma'am,
this is a *fish,* it's not like Flipper or anything").


> Changing the name of something to make it more
> palatable happens in other areas besides food. For
> example, the phrase 'compassionate conservative'...
> 
> Tyler

*lifts one eyebrow*

Hey! I am compassionate! And mostly conservative, even!

Annemehr








From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 18 22:31:09 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:31:09 -0000
Subject: baked beans and prunes
In-Reply-To: <cnij4r+s3mv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnj7rd+7mgt@eGroups.com>


Carol:
> > Speaking of name changes, has anyone noticed that prunes are now
> > "dried plums," at least in the U.S.? Why? Has political 
correctness
> > gone so far that we can't refer to a fruit as a prune because 
the word
> > suggests wrinkles? Or is it because the manufacturers think 
we're too
> > ignorant to know what a prune is? I suppose raisins will 
become "dried
> > grapes" in the next few years. Why can't they leave the old 
names alone?


Annemehr:
> Nah, it's just because the word "prune" connotes "fruit you would
> never dream of eating except that you need the fiber to keep
> 'regular.'"  It's merely an image makeover.

Jen:
Just the other day a couple behind me had a big bag labeled "Prunes" 
so to the best of my knowledge ('round here in Texas at least) the 
generic companies still label them as such.

Speaking of food political correctness, I was in a toy store the 
other day and found those little candy cigarettes from the 70's. 
They were yanked from candy shelves sometime in the 90's I believe 
(maybe in conjunction with the tobacco lawsuits?) for presumably 
enticing kids to try the real things. But now they're back and 
retro, i.e. you're getting old if you remember them.

Jen, who didn't actually *buy* the candy cigarettes because she 
wants to remember them as they were and not find out they taste 
really crappy.






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Nov 19 02:56:51 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:56:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: baked beans and prunes
In-Reply-To: <cnj7rd+7mgt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEAODGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Jen wrote]:
| Speaking of food political correctness, I was in a toy store the
| other day and found those little candy cigarettes from the 70's.
| They were yanked from candy shelves sometime in the 90's I believe
| (maybe in conjunction with the tobacco lawsuits?) for presumably
| enticing kids to try the real things. But now they're back and
| retro, i.e. you're getting old if you remember them.
|
| Jen, who didn't actually *buy* the candy cigarettes because she
| wants to remember them as they were and not find out they taste
| really crappy.

[Lee, chuckling]:
Ah, Jen, I remember the little flat plastic boxes of chocolate cigarettes
and the little cardboard boxes of sugar-candy-type cigarettes.  Personally,
I'd go for the chocolate ones...even if they are milk chocolate. <Grin> And
the big chocolate cigars with the plastic filter on the end...those were so
cool, too.

I remember one time my father called me over to him and stuck a plastic
filter in my mouth telling me he had a chocolate cigar for me.  Well, it
weren't no chocolate one...and it was lighted, and I inhaled and dashed
choking for the bathroom for water.  :-)

I have on my desk a candy necklace and a candy passifier, too.  Talk about
retro!

Cheers, and good memories!

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 19 05:59:07 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:59:07 -0000
Subject: baked beans and prunes
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEAODGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cnk23b+1akc@eGroups.com>


You know, the name of this thread represents a very untantalising
combination, not to mention one sure to produce acute gastric distress
in anyone hapless enough to ingest any.

Annemehr







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Nov 19 12:52:59 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:52:59 -0000
Subject: baked beans
In-Reply-To: <cn8vl4+6015@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnkqbb+k9gv@eGroups.com>


Rita wrote:

> American baked beans (often called "Boston baked beans" despite 
their
> stong connotations of cowboys on the trail eating around a 
campfire)
> don't resemble Sarah's explanation of haricot beans in tomato 
sauce.
> They're some other kind of bean (navy? pinto?) in molasses sauce 
with
> a bit of salt pork (or bacon) added. I have read that what we now 
call
> 'Boston baked beans' used to be called 'pease porridge'.
> 
> I'm so old that I still call haricot beans 'string beans' even tho'
> their name has been changed to 'green beans'.

I meant to comment at the time but there wasn't time.

I'm puzzled over usage of 'haricot beans'.  Image Googling gives 
this British site:
http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/101432.html
which corresponds to my expectations; and this Russian site:
http://www.gavrish.ru/products/haricotbeans_en.html
which looks like what Rita describes but not at all like haricot 
beans as I know them.

So what's American usage?  Are they pale and round or long and green?

Finally, I know Boston baked beans as a specific recipe that uses 
baked beans and the other ingredients Rita mentioned.

David






From richard at sc.lug.org.uk  Fri Nov 19 15:38:27 2004
From: richard at sc.lug.org.uk (Richard Smedley)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:38:27 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: Brit-Speak: Food [From: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1713]
In-Reply-To: <1100715392.617.31647.m12@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1100715392.617.31647.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <35489.217.137.148.35.1100878707.squirrel@ecmail.its-linux.co.uk>


> Message: 7
>    Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:49:30 -0500
>    From: "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net>
> Subject: RE: Re: Brit-Speak: Food
>
> {alshainofthenorth wrote]:
> > Hope all Brits had a lovely Bonfire Night, by the way, without
> > fireworks-related injuries. Am quietly celebrating by making jacket
> > potatoes for dinner, will go and put them in the oven now...

Surely you should be wrapping them in silver foil and
sticking them in the fire ;-)

> [Lee]:
> I've heard of "Jacket potatoes," and haven't the slightest idea of what
> they
> are.  If it means with the skins still on them, I can't think of any other
> way to bake them or roast them.  So, I await enlightenment. :-)

Jacket potatoes just refers to baked potatoes - in
traditional British cookery, baking is the only time that
a potato is not peeled. They're certainly peeled by
most people for roasting, which in the UK means parboiling,
then cooking in a shallow iron dish in the oven in oil
(or in the fat of a roasting animal if you are a carnivore).

Whether you refer to them as `baked' or `jacket' seems fairly
random nowadays, certainly not a reliable indicator of
geographical or class origin.

Personally I never peel potatoes, even for chips, but simple
baked potatoes, with salad, remains a favourite meal :-)

 - Richard

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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Nov 19 18:28:48 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:28:48 EST
Subject: Carol's thread ... KIM
Message-ID: <1a8.2b57b07b.2ecf9560@aol.com>

Hi Kim,

I've just written you privately, but wanted to publically reach through my 
monitor and give you a very big hug for the encouragement.  As I said in my 
e-mail, it meant a lot to me.  Thanks.


"Luna"

---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From plungy116 at aol.com  Fri Nov 19 21:36:47 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:36:47 -0000
Subject: Prisoner DVD
Message-ID: <cnlp1f+mld5@eGroups.com>


hello folks,
Have just been enjoying the contributions on British/American 
semantics.  I find it fascinating.  My MIL is married to a canadian 
and has been there for 14 years - she confuses me by talking of 
american/canadian things in a broad Lancashire accent.  Why do we 
have so many different words for the same things?  Its like chips - 
they mean something completely different to me. (Deep fried or oven 
baked "chips" of potatoe).  We essentially speak the same language, 
and yet it is still foreign!

Anyway, have resisted the urge to buy DVD for..oh...at least 12 
hours.  The shops are shut now (9.30pm here) and I will have to wait 
until tomorrow.  It looks like there's some great extras on there, 
some shops are selling it with a buckbeak cuddly toy (don't think the 
finaces will stretch to that though).  

Has anybody got the DVD yet?  are the extras any good, or will it be 
stuff that those in the know (ie constantly trawling internet and 
message boards) are up to date with anyway?

Please advise (but will be buying it tomorrow anyway!!)

Am now going to watch "Children in Need" (TV charity telethon that's 
25 years old this year).  The BBC newsreaders will be doing their 
versions of Bananarama and Duran Duran - a must see for all those 30 
somethings (me) that rememeber the 80s like yesterday!

Sarah xx






From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Fri Nov 19 22:20:42 2004
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:20:42 -0000
Subject: Prisoner DVD
In-Reply-To: <cnlp1f+mld5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnlrjq+11bg2@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:

> 
> Has anybody got the DVD yet?  are the extras any good, or will it 
be 
> stuff that those in the know (ie constantly trawling internet and 
> message boards) are up to date with anyway?
> 
> Please advise (but will be buying it tomorrow anyway!!)
> 


2beagles now:

It isn't released in the U.S. until Tuesday (the 23rd).   :<







From spin01 at aol.com  Fri Nov 19 22:48:25 2004
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:48:25 -0000
Subject: Prisoner DVD
In-Reply-To: <cnlrjq+11bg2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnlt7p+s2jk@eGroups.com>


You can tell how out of touch I am with stuff didn't even realize it 
was being released right now.  But the 23rd is good.  something to 
put away till thanksgiving.  the kids can watch it while I cook, and 
cook, and cook.............    Anyone elses fridge's getting full of 
stuff for next week?  I have 25 people coming for dinner.  Its paper 
and plastic this year.  I am not cooking and doing dishes.  I refuse 
lol.  
sherry << who knows all about hillbilly baked beans>> 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "twobeaglesgirl" 
<cquinn at m...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Has anybody got the DVD yet?  are the extras any good, or will it 
> be 
> > stuff that those in the know (ie constantly trawling internet and 
> > message boards) are up to date with anyway?
> > 
> > Please advise (but will be buying it tomorrow anyway!!)
> > 
> 
> 
> 2beagles now:
> 
> It isn't released in the U.S. until Tuesday (the 23rd).   :<






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 14:30:48 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:30:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Prisoner DVD
In-Reply-To: <cnlt7p+s2jk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041120143048.32995.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com>



spinelli372003 <spin01 at aol.com> wrote:

Anyone elses fridge's getting full of stuff for next week?  I have 25 people coming for dinner.  Its paper 
and plastic this year.  I am not cooking and doing dishes.  I refuse 
lol.  
sherry << who knows all about hillbilly baked beans>> 


 

I work in a lab that runs 24/7 so I will be working on Thanksgiving.  My mom is ordering from one of the deli's (she is too old to cook that much) and is coming to pick up my boys.  Luckily I work for a great company that is not only paying double time and a half but is also catering in a feast.  I cannot wait on the turkey, giblet gravy, candied yams, and pan stuffing!!

moonmyyst (who hopes everyone stays nice and safe and happy for the holiday!!)


		
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 15:30:10 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:30:10 -0000
Subject: Prisoner - willpower failing
Message-ID: <cnnnu2+s8ud@eGroups.com>


So, I bought it, you knew I would and now its sitting there, staring 
at me, daring me to put it on.  I am going to resist.  I am going to 
resist.  There's nothing on the telly tonight (typical Saturday night 
on terrestrial TV in Britain).  We will watch it as a family this 
evening.  And I'm so excited, its like Christmas a month early (no 
Thanksgiving here).

Daniel is calling me, beckoning at me to come and watch...I will 
resist.  Rupert's looking worried on the box, and Emma's becoming 
more mature and grown up by the second.  Stop looking at me!!  I'm 
going to have to turn the box over...

I'm just not sure how much will power I've got...will have to listen 
to the soundtrack instead!

Wish me luck and the strength to hold back...

Sarah xx 






From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Nov 20 17:13:48 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:13:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Eggs, Snape in POA, and Viggo/Orlando
Message-ID: <3227.4.12.232.8.1100970828.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

In between being sick, listening to HP audio books while in bed
that--without fail--makes me crave fried/over easy eggs (I'm trying to
avoid fried foods), then eating said greasy eggs which trigger a bit of
nausea, and repeating this step, I'm reminded of the Thanksgiving when the
smell of food made me want to up-chuck.  Heh, perfect timing when the
place was filled with cooking smells.

Back to the greasy eggs, one thing that did make me pause was the
differences in Snape's role for movie!POA and book!POA.  Snape was
unconscious during Lupin's transformation in the book and I'm curious as
to why Snape was briefly seen as the 'protector' in the movie.  I've had a
copy of POA since early June and I'm fairly certain that having an alert
Snape was not necessary for the movie.

One of the numerous things that made me go 'hmm'.

Oh, and I recently saw a link for this NZ LOTR:ROTK premiere shot which
has Viggo Mortensen and Orlando Bloom *very* close together:
http://img57.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img57&image=Fr.jpg

Other than warming my slashy heart, I'm wondering if Viggo is thinking
'Orlando's hair is in my eye'.

Going back to Thanksgiving, both Mortensen and Bloom are supposed to be
crashing at Dominic Monaghan's (per Monaghan) during the holiday and
someone reminded me of how Dom and Orlando must've 'adopted' this American
holiday.  I keep losing track of cultural differences.

C'mon, who wouldn't want to 'adopt' a holiday where you stuff your face
full of food to the point it makes you ill. {g}

Dina





From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Sat Nov 20 21:00:55 2004
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:00:55 -0000
Subject: Prisoner DVD/Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <cnlt7p+s2jk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnoba7+5otd@eGroups.com>


sherry:
> 
> You can tell how out of touch I am with stuff didn't even realize it 
> was being released right now.  But the 23rd is good.  something to 
> put away till thanksgiving.  the kids can watch it while I cook, and 
> cook, and cook.............    Anyone elses fridge's getting full of 
> stuff for next week?  I have 25 people coming for dinner.  Its paper 
> and plastic this year.  I am not cooking and doing dishes.  I refuse 
> lol.  
> sherry << who knows all about hillbilly baked beans>> 

I owe you a big thank you for reminding me that it is possible to make
some of this stuff ahead of time!  Maybe this year we'll have more
than just the basics for once, just took my favorite cranberry bread
out of the oven.  Might make apple pie, but I have my doubts it will
survive uneaten until Thursday...

kjirstem - looking forward to POA even though some of it was jarring






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Nov 20 22:49:15 2004
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:49:15 -0000
Subject: Britspeak - vest, pinafore, haricot beans
Message-ID: <cnohlb+stuq@eGroups.com>


Carol wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25148 :

<< Waistcoat, weskit, vest: I think that's the etymology, but I didn't
look it up. >>

http://www.bartleby.com/61/60/V0076000.html (American Heritage
Dictionary): 

"NOUN 5a. Archaic Clothing; raiment. b. Obsolete An ecclesiastical
vestment.

TRANSITIVE VERB: 1. To place (authority, property, or rights, for
example) in the control of a person or group, especially to give
someone an immediate right to present or future possession or
enjoyment of (an estate, for example). Used with in: vested his estate
in his daughter. 2. To invest or endow (a person or group) with
something, such as power or rights. Used with with: vested the council
with broad powers; vests its employees with full pension rights after
five years of service. 3. To clothe or robe, as in ecclesiastical
vestments.

ETYMOLOGY: French veste, robe, from Italian vesta, from Latin vestis,
garment."

Like "vestment" and "divestiture". Does anyone know if 'vestige' is
related? Elizabeth Barber (WOMEN'S WORK: THE FIRST 20,000 YEARS)
thinks that this Proto-Indo-European word for any garment might be
related to the name of the hearth goddess Vesta, both coming from some
word for warmth. The American Heritage Dictionary doesn't agree,
assigning 'vest' to 'wes2' meaning 'to wear' and 'Vesta' to 'wes1"
meaning 'to dwell'.

I love words!

<< As for pinafores, the term was formerly used for a frilly apron
with a sort of bib in front, worn by little girls (and Raggedy Ann
dolls) from the nineteenth century until the early 1950s to protect
their dresses from spills: >>

Yes, I was going to reply to Kathryn's
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25135 :

<< Apparently a pinafore is also an apron that has a top rather than
just covering from the waist down (that's what my father says anyway,
personally I'd just call it an apron) >>

by saying that, to me, the difference between (1) a pinafore and (2)
an apron with a top, is that a pinafore has ruffles.

David wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25164 :

<< I'm puzzled over usage of 'haricot beans'. Image Googling gives
this British site:
http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/101432.html
which corresponds to my expectations; and this Russian site:
http://www.gavrish.ru/products/haricotbeans_en.html
which looks like what Rita describes but not at all like haricot
beans as I know them. So what's American usage? Are they pale and
round or long and green? >>

Oh, my! This British-American difference is completely news to me! The
American haricot beans, string beans, green beans, are long and green
like the ones on the Russian site. I assume that the green bean is
equivalent to a pea-pod and the very small, pale, but fleshy seeds
inside it are equivalent to peas, from which I further assume that
most beans come in pods and are equivalent to peas. And the ones in
the British picture are the pea kind not the pod kind.

(pause to look in http://www.onelook.com/index.html ) Not only are you
absolutely right, but look what I found:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/48/H0064800.html
"NOUN: The edible pod or seed of any of several beans, especially the
kidney bean. 
ETYMOLOGY: French, possibly alteration (influenced by French haricot,
stew) of Nahuatl ayacotli."

http://www.bartleby.com/61/48/H0064850.html
"NOUN: A highly seasoned mutton or lamb stew with vegetables.
ETYMOLOGY: French, from Old French hericot, hericoq, possibly from
harigoter, to cut into pieces, probably of Germanic origin."






From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Nov 21 01:47:22 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:47:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Luminous Toilet Seats
Message-ID: <4665.4.12.232.8.1101001642.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

http://www.kiss-textil.de/galactikaen.htm

Purty but I wouldn't pay $325+ for one.

If Fred&George Weasley ever take up Mrs. Weasley's comment about stealing
toilet seats, they'd be something worth considering.  I know George's
sister from Dead Like Me did the toilet stealing bit.

Dina





From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Nov 21 04:05:15 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:05:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Hogwarts' teachers, Dark Lord prophecy, and Donkey 'Dong'
Message-ID: <1625.4.47.27.242.1101009915.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

I'm reading over some comments from a week ago and going WTF?!

First, there's reference to Mugglenet(?) having a supposed(?) comment by
JKR where the only teachers who *usually* (e.g. POA stated otherwise) stay
at Hogwarts during Christmas holidays are Hagrid, Filch, and Dumbledore.

Err, I guess Binns doesn't count because he's dead?  Plus, whazzup with
Trelawny?  Dumbledore was adament that she not leave Hogwarts (OOTP)
probably because of her knowledge of the Dark Lord prophecy.  Rather
defeats the purpose of protection to have her taking holiday trips to who
knows where.

Another one is the belief the prophecy undermines the theme of 'our
choices make us who we are'.  Harry still has a choice: Does he want to be
a corpse sooner or later?  I'd consider that a choice. {g}  All of us
consider that question and most choose the 'later' option, thus, we go
through steps to maintain our bodies for as long as possible.

I'm bad about rambling but some 'essays' really could use a 'digest' version.

The irony of the prophecy is how it almost becomes self-fulfilling in the
sense that if Voldemort hadn't got wind of it and *chose* to believe it,
events could've been different.

And just to make sure I'm off-topic, something vaguely amusing but still
in the 'WTF' category:
http://amsam.org/2004/11/donkey-dick-cheney-confirmed.html


Dina





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 21 05:02:10 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 21 Nov 2004 05:02:10 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1101013330.17.14649.m24@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 21, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Nov 21 06:42:15 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 01:42:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Snape popping out kids and Gyllenhaal 'painful' gay scenes
Message-ID: <2010.4.47.27.242.1101019335.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

http://www.angelfire.com/magic/drakeofdross/twice3.html

I think it's time to call it a night when I read an overview of 'Male
pregnancy.  Snape popping out several kids.  Threesome with Fred&George
Weasley.'  Rated NC-17, not appropriate for minors and... {scans over
parts}  Something about Snape losing his 'maidenhood'... Err, time for
sleep!


I read the following and actually drooled because my jaw was slack:
http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2004-11-16

"Heath almost broke my nose in (a kissing) scene. He grabs me and he slams
me up against the wall and kisses me. And then I grab him and I slam him
up against the wall and I kiss him. And we were doing take after take
after take. I got the sh*t beat out of me. We had other scenes where we
fought each other and I wasn't hurting as badly as I did after that one."
- Jake Gyllenhaal RE: Brokeback Mountain

Dina





From Erthena at aol.com  Sun Nov 21 10:35:14 2004
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:35:14 -0000
Subject: Prisoner DVD/Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <cnoba7+5otd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnpr12+hefd@eGroups.com>


> sherry:
> > 
> > You can tell how out of touch I am with stuff didn't even realize 
it 
> > was being released right now.  But the 23rd is good.  something 
to 
> > put away till thanksgiving.  the kids can watch it while I cook, 
and 
> > cook, and cook.............    
> kjirstem:
> I owe you a big thank you for reminding me that it is possible to 
make
> some of this stuff ahead of time!  Maybe this year we'll have more
> than just the basics for once, just took my favorite cranberry bread
> out of the oven.  Might make apple pie, but I have my doubts it will
> survive uneaten until Thursday...
> 
loony: Ah, now this year I am glad to say I am going to my 
Grandmother's house, and we don't leave until Thursday (at 5 am, 
thank you airport secruity).  So my sisters and I will be watching on 
the plane.  I wiollbe getting my copy on Tuesday, and having fun 
staying up all night with my best friend cause we're off school 
Wednsday.  Thanksgiving is going to rock!
~~loony






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Nov 21 12:19:19 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:19:19 -0000
Subject: Map of Hogwarts drawn by JKR
Message-ID: <cnq147+b5do@eGroups.com>


I was just looking at the map of Hogwarts which TLC put up (from the 
DVD I think). Has anyone deciphered all the wording ? JKR's writing 
is difficult to read.

The bits that are defeating my eyesight at the moment are:

- the labels on the areas to the right and left of the castle. The 
one on the left might read 'lawn...'; the one on the right might be 
the glasshouses (?)

- the label on the road at the bottom of the map.

I was trying to see if there was any mention of where the (rumoured) 
graveyard was, but it seems not.

Carolyn






From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 21 14:03:42 2004
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:03:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Really Missed Everyone
Message-ID: <20041121140342.95614.qmail@web54503.mail.yahoo.com>

21November04
 
Hello everybody,
 
This message isn't really on any particular topic.  Due to some real technical, financial, and general design problems, I've been AFK (away from keyboard) for ages.  Trying to catch up.  Finally saw movie 3 though, throughly enjoyed it.  Haven't looked at JKR's site in awhile, though and saw something the other day on this list about prunes...yuck!  Anyway, what's the latest rumor about the new book.  Any ideas when it's coming out?  Have really missed you guys!  It's awful being so out of touch.
 
Happy Thanksgiving,
~Paula




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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 21 16:03:33 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 21 Nov 2004 16:03:33 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1101053013.19.10763.m21@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 21, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 14:23:22 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:23:22 -0000
Subject: DVD extras
Message-ID: <cnssor+gssb@eGroups.com>


Definitely worth the ?14.84 I paid at Asda.  the extras are just 
fab.  there's loads of interviews with the crew and cast (and JKR)a 
few unseen scenes (more would have been good though)Cuaron explains 
a ,lot of the reasons why things were cut, but JKR is there agreeing 
with him, and affirming that she approves and it doesn't ruin what's 
to come, otherwise the film would have been 16 hours long (and the 
problem is??)

have watched the actual film 3 times now.  Its definitely the best, 
and even the ommissions don't spoil it.

Go out and buy it - Sarah says so
Sarah xxx

PS the games are a little juvenile for me, but hey!






From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 15:10:32 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:10:32 -0000
Subject: baked beans
In-Reply-To: <cnkqbb+k9gv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnsvh8+8bgf@eGroups.com>


Rita:

> > I'm so old that I still call haricot beans 'string beans' even 
tho'
> > their name has been changed to 'green beans'.

David:
> I meant to comment at the time but there wasn't time.
> 
> I'm puzzled over usage of 'haricot beans'.  Image Googling gives 
> this British site:
> http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-
local/frameset/detail/101432.html
> which corresponds to my expectations; and this Russian site:
> http://www.gavrish.ru/products/haricotbeans_en.html
> which looks like what Rita describes but not at all like haricot 
> beans as I know them.
> 
> So what's American usage?  Are they pale and round or long and 
green?

~Eloise:

Chiming in late here, having missed a Brit food discussion...

I think that they're basically the same thing at a different stage of 
maturity. Or at least, closely related, like sugar snaps and peas. 
Young ones ('haricots verts')or string beans are a kind of young, 
thin French bean, eaten whole, whereas British 'haricot beans' are 
the mature beans, shelled. Just like if you leave your runner beans 
for too long without harvesting them, the beans inside grow large and 
hard.

I'm willing to be proved wrong on this.

> 
> Finally, I know Boston baked beans as a specific recipe that uses 
> baked beans and the other ingredients Rita mentioned.

Yep. I think of Boston Baked beans as something home made, rather 
than baked beans in a tin.


~Eloise
whose children are getting jacket potatoes (with skins) and baked 
beans (from a tin) tonight.






From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 22 17:45:38 2004
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:45:38 -0000
Subject: BBC Newsrounds*
In-Reply-To: <cnj0eh+o01j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cnt8k2+c9ue@eGroups.com>


HI!

I really don't know how I guessed that barman

was Dumbledore's brother, but maybe it had 

something to do with H P when he was looking

at those old photo's, didn't he say the one

guy looked familier ?

In the 6 clues it just says GRAWP will be 

more controllable.  By how much ? hee hee !

OH . . . I can't CHAT !

I don't have a computer of mine own.

I use the ones at Wayne HS where I work.

Or I go to the LIB.

Gail


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25154
> 
> -- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "gwharrison53" 
> <gwharrison53 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > HI!
> > 
> > I like finding out stuff about H P ! On JK's site, when the door 
> was open, you cound find out the name of 3 Chapters for Book#6.
> > But one of the clues at the BBC site, Aberforth Dumbledore being 
> the barman at the Hogs Head . . . I had guessed that one 
(hahaha) .  
> Then the one about GRAWP being more controllable ?  How can that be 
> managed ?
> > 
> > Gail
> > 
> >For start of this thread see: 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25140
> > > 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> I like the idea that Aberforth is the barman! Maybe we will get to 
> see him again in book 6 or 7. Interesting that he is the barman of 
a 
> place that is somewhat in disrepute! Sounds like it is in keeping 
> with his character (he, he)!
> 
> Hagrid has proven before that he has the ability to "tame" things. 
> Maybe not to the level that you could bring them to tea but he 
seems 
> to manage them well. I always believed that if he had been able to 
> keep Norbert, England would have had its first tame (sort of) 
> dragon! Grawp may provide some comic relief but I think ultimately 
> the idea is that nothing/no one (except LV) is a total loss if 
> someone is willing to put the time and effort to reach out. We saw 
> in OoP that Hagrid had made a very small bit of headway with Grawp 
> and since he seems to now recognize Hermione, she may be a greater 
> influence than we think. At least if it gets her off the House Elf 
> thing..... At least she learned to knit!
> 
> Speaking of knitting......(my thing here!) has anyone seen the new 
> PoA desk appointment calendar? It is in green velvet this year and 
> has VERY nice pictures of SWEATERS that I am dying to 
> reproduce.....There is also one really great picture of Harry's 
> Quiddich Sweater. I haven't bought the wall calendar - it was only 
> artwork not pictures that I didn't care for so much but I have on 
> order Mary Grand Pre's HP artwork wall calendar and it looks just 
> great.
> 
> Gail, join us for Sunday Chat! Just go into the chat feature in the 
> box at the left and type in the box /join HP:1 and come chat - we 
> are pretty laid back and talk about everything! Generally there is 
> someone here from: 
> 
> 11 am Pacific
> 12 pm Mountain
> 1 pm Central
> 2 pm Eastern
> 7 pm UK time
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****






From allycatherm19 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 22 23:08:21 2004
From: allycatherm19 at hotmail.com (jesstina22)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:08:21 -0000
Subject: Choices and Trials
Message-ID: <cntrh5+tmg4@eGroups.com>



This is a group for the series of fan fiction by jessie 
(granger2malfoy) and Chrissy (allycatherm19):

The Given Choices
and 
The Trials of Love.

It all starts with the choices given to Hermione Granger and goes 
through the strengths of relationships. 

This is for all interested in the series. Feedback is always welcome 
but keep flames down low. ;) Please feel free to add pics for this 
ship and these stories.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/choices_and_trials/

Thanks
chrissy and jessie









From michel56 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 23 12:42:55 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:42:55 -0500
Subject: Harry Potter Watches
Message-ID: <000b01c4d159$f51057c0$a2726e18@earthlink.net>

In case anyone is interested, this morning on HSN (Home Shopping Network) here in the U.S. they will be selling Harry Potter Watches.
The segment starts at 9:00 a.m EST and goes to 10 a.m.

They are also doing another show tonight at 11:00 p.m. to midnight, EST.. but I can't see them having anything left.  Last time they sold the watches they were all gone within the first hour!  I missed out that time, and probably will this time, too... drat!

Michele .... hoping that Santa knows she's been a good girl and has read her list............ 

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From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Nov 24 17:09:17 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:09:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: POA movie, DVDs, and folk asking for money
Message-ID: <2540.4.47.27.213.1101316157.squirrel@4.47.27.213>

I wasn't sure if I'd have time to go DVD shopping on Tuesday--I owe $$$ to
an HP slasher but couldn't stand in line all day at the PO to do an IPMO,
so had to walk out... Anyway, I did have time later in the evening and
went shopping for the POA DVD.

There's a shopping center that has a Barnes&Noble and CompUSA
side-by-side.  CompUSA had the POA DVD at $12.99 only on Tuesday (regular
price $22.99).  I had a $25 gift certificate for B&N but they were
charging $29.99 for the POA DVD, not including a 10-15%(?) discount.  Err,
I ended up picking something else at B&N and bought the POA DVD at
CompUSA.  If I couldn't have made it yesterday, Circuit City (for my area,
across the street from that shopping center) is charging $14.99 only on
Tuesday and Wednesday.  Though, I've heard Best Buy 'snuck' in some deals
on Tuesday with a lower cost of $12.50.

What did make me pause was the POA DVD (~$18.88) being sold at Sam's Club
(cheaper food)... It's *boxed* for just POA.  I know the DVD for Pirates
of the Caribbean (Depp, Bloom) was being sold at B&N (another gift
certificate) with and without a cardboard sleeve over the keepcase.  Hm,
I'm wondering if some copies of POA are being sold with sleeves.  I think
it looks odd how a 'series' of movies is packaged differently partway
through.  Also, it appears there's a number being watermarked on POA DVD
source that appears for about a couple frames during the Leaky Cauldron
talk between Harry and Mr. Weasley and under a Sirius Black poster.

And as another oddity, I saw a gal asking folks online to 'donate' money
because her mom and herself (bleh, grammar sucks) are about to be evicted
from their home--yet, I distinctly remember her referencing buying DVD
*sets* before and, less than a week later after making her plea, she
mentions saving enough money to buy the POA DVD. {quirks eyebrow}  Oookay.

Dina





From timregan at microsoft.com  Wed Nov 24 21:36:13 2004
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:36:13 -0000
Subject: Harpers and Queen: Philip Pullman on Tolkien and Winterson on JKR
Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E152607A6@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1353204,00.html

Sorry if someone's posted this already but recently a piece in "The Times" on Philip Pullman was doing the rounds because "The Times" quotes Pullman belittling "Lord of the Rings". "The Times" is actually quoting from an interview in December's "Harpers and Queen" so, needless to say, I rushed out and bought my first ever copy of Harpers since it is not available online. There are several things in it that wind me up.

Firstly, there's an apparent contradiction in Philip's views of Tolkien. Here are the two quotes which I'm having trouble reconciling:

>>> 'Tolkein?' he says. 'The Lord of the Rings is not a serious book because it doesn't say anything interesting, or truthful about the human condition' <<<

Then, later in the article we have

>>> '[...] Telling an adventure story with witches and demons is not enough. I am interested in the Quest - and the Quest, however you decide to tell it, is the big story about human nature.' <<<

Now I'm slightly troubled that the capitalization here implies something grander, but isn't Lord of the Rings about the Quest? Or at least a quest?

Then there's a critique of fantasy literature that also troubles me:

>>> 'On the whole those writers are uninterested in language, and they live in a cult world of their own. They read me, but I don't read them if I can help it.' <<<

I love reading Pullman interviews as he can usually be trusted to have a thought provoking and quotable view on any subject, but isn't this sweeping condemnation of a genre exactly the kind of prejudice that we have to put up with from people about children's literature?

Certain fantasy authors are clearly concerned with exploring human nature, even if their use of language isn't as impressive as Pullman's. Take China Mi?ville for example, his books (like "Perdido Street Station" or "The Scar") use fantasy worlds to allow him to examine real moral issues from new angles. He also sides with Pullman about Tolkien, though my favourite criticism he gave was the pithy and rather fun: "rare the clause is that reversed isn't" in the Socialist Review  http://www.swp.org.uk/SR/259/SR3.HTM (Tolkien and Yoda alike).

There are also several things that Jeanette Winterson says in the Harpers article that are annoying (though I really like her books too).

>>> he will enter JK Rowling territory, safe in the knowledge that, unlike her, he is everywhere considered the real thing; the best children's writer since Tolkien. <<< 

Why should Philip's success be cast in terms of JKR's failure to win-over high-brow critics? Surely they are just both brilliant?

Then we have

>>> he is not vain enough to be tempted into sequels he does not believe in. He won't churn it out Harry Potter style. <<<

What? His Dark Materials was conceived as a trilogy, and is now followed up with a fourth book (which I thought was lovely, by the way). Harry Potter was conceived as a seven book series to match Harry's seven years at school, and currently runs to five books. In what sense is JKR churning out unnecessary sequels she doesn't believe in? Do you think Winterson read the Harry Potter books? If she had she'd realise that they cannot stop now, with Voldemort abroad.

Finally Winterson states that

>>> He won't be drawn on whether he will return to Lyra and Will, left parted in parallel Oxfords at the close of The Amber Spyglass. <<<

Won't be drawn eh? I'd have thought publishing "Lyra's Oxford" after "The Amber Spyglass" and talking in interviews about writing "The Book of Dust" was actually 'being drawn'.

Rant over. I was hoping writing you all this email would prove cathartic, but I'm more wound up than when I started :-(

Cheers,

Dumbledad.

PS Sorry if this post pops up on other fora you are on, I did get a bit carried away cross-posting.




From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 24 22:48:36 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:48:36 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harpers and Queen: Philip Pullman on Tolkien and Winterson on JKR
In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E152607A6@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <009801c4d277$bc366880$0400a8c0@pensive>

Hi,

Personally, I read the first in pullman's trilogy and was bored stiff.  I
had no desire to read the others.  The characters were uninteresting to me
and not very likable.  Yes, not all characters are likable in anything, but
at least they are interesting and complex in both Tolkien and Rowling.  

Tolkien created a whole world that is believable and so real, that I don't
even like to read good fan fiction of LOTR.  JKR may not be the most
excellent writer in a technical sense, but she is an amazing story teller!
And often, the reason I read is to read a good story.  

So, for me, on both counts, Tolkien and Rowling, I think Pullman is way off
base.  

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Regan [mailto:timregan at microsoft.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:36 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harpers and Queen: Philip Pullman on Tolkien and
Winterson on JKR



Hi All,

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1353204,00.html

Sorry if someone's posted this already but recently a piece in "The Times"
on Philip Pullman was doing the rounds because "The Times" quotes Pullman
belittling "Lord of the Rings". "The Times" is actually quoting from an
interview in December's "Harpers and Queen" so, needless to say, I rushed
out and bought my first ever copy of Harpers since it is not available
online. There are several things in it that wind me up.

Firstly, there's an apparent contradiction in Philip's views of Tolkien.
Here are the two quotes which I'm having trouble reconciling:

>>> 'Tolkein?' he says. 'The Lord of the Rings is not a serious book because
it doesn't say anything interesting, or truthful about the human condition'
<<<

Then, later in the article we have

>>> '[...] Telling an adventure story with witches and demons is not enough.
I am interested in the Quest - and the Quest, however you decide to tell it,
is the big story about human nature.' <<<

Now I'm slightly troubled that the capitalization here implies something
grander, but isn't Lord of the Rings about the Quest? Or at least a quest?

Then there's a critique of fantasy literature that also troubles me:

>>> 'On the whole those writers are uninterested in language, and they live
in a cult world of their own. They read me, but I don't read them if I can
help it.' <<<

I love reading Pullman interviews as he can usually be trusted to have a
thought provoking and quotable view on any subject, but isn't this sweeping
condemnation of a genre exactly the kind of prejudice that we have to put up
with from people about children's literature?

Certain fantasy authors are clearly concerned with exploring human nature,
even if their use of language isn't as impressive as Pullman's. Take China
Mi?ville for example, his books (like "Perdido Street Station" or "The
Scar") use fantasy worlds to allow him to examine real moral issues from new
angles. He also sides with Pullman about Tolkien, though my favourite
criticism he gave was the pithy and rather fun: "rare the clause is that
reversed isn't" in the Socialist Review
http://www.swp.org.uk/SR/259/SR3.HTM (Tolkien and Yoda alike).

There are also several things that Jeanette Winterson says in the Harpers
article that are annoying (though I really like her books too).

>>> he will enter JK Rowling territory, safe in the knowledge that, unlike
her, he is everywhere considered the real thing; the best children's writer
since Tolkien. <<< 

Why should Philip's success be cast in terms of JKR's failure to win-over
high-brow critics? Surely they are just both brilliant?

Then we have

>>> he is not vain enough to be tempted into sequels he does not believe in.
He won't churn it out Harry Potter style. <<<

What? His Dark Materials was conceived as a trilogy, and is now followed up
with a fourth book (which I thought was lovely, by the way). Harry Potter
was conceived as a seven book series to match Harry's seven years at school,
and currently runs to five books. In what sense is JKR churning out
unnecessary sequels she doesn't believe in? Do you think Winterson read the
Harry Potter books? If she had she'd realise that they cannot stop now, with
Voldemort abroad.

Finally Winterson states that

>>> He won't be drawn on whether he will return to Lyra and Will, left
parted in parallel Oxfords at the close of The Amber Spyglass. <<<

Won't be drawn eh? I'd have thought publishing "Lyra's Oxford" after "The
Amber Spyglass" and talking in interviews about writing "The Book of Dust"
was actually 'being drawn'.

Rant over. I was hoping writing you all this email would prove cathartic,
but I'm more wound up than when I started :-(

Cheers,

Dumbledad.

PS Sorry if this post pops up on other fora you are on, I did get a bit
carried away cross-posting.




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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 03:08:16 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:08:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DVD extras
In-Reply-To: <cnssor+gssb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041125030816.54249.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>

I very much agree with Sarah that this is the best movie.
But... the interviews.  They were great except for Jar Jar Binks, I mean Druh Head or what ever that stupid head from the Knight Bus is called.  For those of you who haven't seen the interview section of the DVD...
 
 
Not really a SPOILER ALERT because to know it will make the interviews more tolerable.  Barely more tolerable.
 
 
... the head asks the cast and some film makers some incredibly unfunny questions and offers even more incredibly unfunnier comments.  These moments are absolutely effing horrible.  I was embarrassed for the interviewees who had to answer the super-lame head's inane questions.  
 
On a side... 
Is Dan that big of a spaz or was he faking to throw off his girlie, agressive, stalking fan base?
I would have liked to hear more from Rupert and alot less from Emma.
I was grateful to from the twins and from Tom's silent side kicks.
Very disappointed that Maggie and Alan weren't interviewed, but then maybe they refused to be a part of such a bad idea.  Kudos to them!
I can't wait for an HP special edition DVD that includes deleted scenes as part of the movie a la LotR... by the by, does anyone know when Return of the King comes out?
 
 
 

Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:

Definitely worth the ?14.84 I paid at Asda.  the extras are just 
fab.  there's loads of interviews with the crew and cast (and JKR)a 
few unseen scenes (more would have been good though)Cuaron explains 
a ,lot of the reasons why things were cut, but JKR is there agreeing 
with him, and affirming that she approves and it doesn't ruin what's 
to come, otherwise the film would have been 16 hours long (and the 
problem is??)

have watched the actual film 3 times now.  Its definitely the best, 
and even the ommissions don't spoil it.

Go out and buy it - Sarah says so
Sarah xxx

PS the games are a little juvenile for me, but hey!





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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 03:34:48 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:34:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harpers and Queen: Philip Pullman on Tolkien and Winterson on JKR
In-Reply-To: <009801c4d277$bc366880$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <20041125033448.32656.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>

I thought Golden Compass was a good read.  Sure the first chapter was hard, but to me, so was "The Boy Who Lived."  The other two books were enjoyable, but unfortunately, Pullman took the strong female character he developed in GC and deconstructed her in the other books.  Lyra was a strong, fierce girl, but then in Subtle Knife and Amber Spyglass she goes ga-ga for a boy, Will, and loses herself, following Will's will instead of her own.  Lyra is the one who changes (or stays the same depending on how you read it) by the intimate touch of Will (non sexual).  Will is unaffected by the kick-ass girl that Lyra once was.  Will is a man-child unto himself.  Will is a man (archetype).  Eff Will.
 
As far as Tolkien, he really could have used a red pen for LotR.  Did he have no editor at all?  The Hobbit, or there and back again, was an excellent read.  Don't get me wrong, LotR is an excellent story, but it is a below-average read.
 
I would like to read the entire interview in Harpers.  It seems the interviewer is obviously anti-HP based on Dumbledad's post.  So maybe he shaped or twisted Pullman's responses to the questions and Pullman is actually quite fond of JKR.  


 

		
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 04:11:49 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:11:49 -0000
Subject: Harpers and Queen: Philip Pullman on Tolkien and Winterson on JKR
In-Reply-To: <20041125033448.32656.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <co3m25+3i0s@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:


snip.
  
> As far as Tolkien, he really could have used a red pen for LotR.  
Did he have no editor at all?  The Hobbit, or there and back again, 
was an excellent read.  Don't get me wrong, LotR is an excellent 
story, but it is a below-average read.


Alla:

Could you please clarify, what do you mean by " excellent story, but 
below-average read"? Did you mean that it was to long or just poorly 
edited? 

When I first read LOTR in russian translation, I could not finish 
it, so boring I found it as a story. Few years later I read the 
original and I was absolutely drawn to the music of the language in 
it. I am not sure I agree with you, if you meant that it was not 
edited well.








From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 04:52:19 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:52:19 -0000
Subject: Has anyone read John Granger's new book?
Message-ID: <co3oe3+pie7@eGroups.com>


and what did you think ( it is here 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/1414300913/qid=1101356971/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-6373946-5628603?
v=glance&s=books&n=507846 )

-especially if you read his previous book, _The Hidden Key to Harry 
Potter_?

I also took his free online course the months before OOTP came out 
(and right after, so it was an exciting time).

A.J.






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Thu Nov 25 15:19:11 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:19:11 EST
Subject: If you're in the U.S. .....
Message-ID: <b7.4bb38b3b.2ed751ef@aol.com>

Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating  in the U.S.!


"Luna"


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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 25 16:03:00 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:03:00 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harpers and Queen: Philip Pullman on Tolkien and Winterson on JKR
In-Reply-To: <co3m25+3i0s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c4d308$3de76330$0400a8c0@pensive>

I read the Hobbit first, in eighth grade or something, and I was bored silly
with it.  I did read the whole thing but I didn't like it much.  in high
school, my brother recommended that I try LOTR, and I was totally
captivated.  It can be slow in places, but since Tolkien conceived it as a
history of a world, it wouldn't be action all the time.  He never intended
it to be an action story, but rather part of a long history he had
developed, and the story of a difficult quest.  

As far as the editing goes, Tolkien was editing that thing till he died, and
he was upset by many mistakes that got in through the various reprints.  I
believe his son, Christopher, still works with his father's notes, trying to
get everything corrected.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: dumbledore11214 [mailto:dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:12 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harpers and Queen: Philip Pullman on Tolkien
and Winterson on JKR




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:


snip.
  
> As far as Tolkien, he really could have used a red pen for LotR.  
Did he have no editor at all?  The Hobbit, or there and back again, 
was an excellent read.  Don't get me wrong, LotR is an excellent 
story, but it is a below-average read.


Alla:

Could you please clarify, what do you mean by " excellent story, but 
below-average read"? Did you mean that it was to long or just poorly 
edited? 

When I first read LOTR in russian translation, I could not finish 
it, so boring I found it as a story. Few years later I read the 
original and I was absolutely drawn to the music of the language in 
it. I am not sure I agree with you, if you meant that it was not 
edited well.








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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 18:31:05 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:31:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] If you're in the U.S. .....
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LunaLovesHarry at aol.com wrote:
Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating  in the U.S.!


"Luna"




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From earendil_fr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 19:28:00 2004
From: earendil_fr at yahoo.com (earendil_fr)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:28:00 -0000
Subject: Map of Hogwarts drawn by JKR
In-Reply-To: <cnq147+b5do@eGroups.com>
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Carolyn wrote:
> I was just looking at the map of Hogwarts which TLC put up (from the 
> DVD I think). Has anyone deciphered all the wording ? JKR's writing 
> is difficult to read.
> 
> The bits that are defeating my eyesight at the moment are:
> 
> - the labels on the areas to the right and left of the castle. The 
> one on the left might read 'lawn...'; the one on the right might be 
> the glasshouses (?)

Earendil now:
I think I kinda managed to make out the first word of the label to the
right of the square area to the right of the castle.
It looks like it's written 'vegetable'... Maybe a field or something??

As for the label on the left of the castle, I can't tell for the first
words, but it looks like it ends with 'lake' (plus something between
() ), maybe even 'down the lake'.

Carolyn again:
> - the label on the road at the bottom of the map.

Earendil now:
Hm, what road at the bottom of the map? Maybe we're looking at
different captures of the map, the one I'm looking at
(http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2004/11/dvdmap1.jpg) is cut
above what I guess is the road from the train station to Hogwarts
(labelled 'road for carriages' just below Hogsmeade)

Earendil.






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Nov 25 22:43:32 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:43:32 -0000
Subject: Map of Hogwarts drawn by JKR
In-Reply-To: <co5bo0+6eoo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <co5n6k+8qi2@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "earendil_fr" 
<earendil_fr at y...> wrote:
> 
> Earendil now:
> I think I kinda managed to make out the first word of the label to 
the right of the square area to the right of the castle.
> It looks like it's written 'vegetable'... Maybe a field or 
something??
> 
Carolyn:
I decided that the label on the far right probably did say 'vegetable 
patch', but I just can't make out the writing in the box on the right 
between the veg patch and the castle.


Earendil:
> As for the label on the left of the castle, I can't tell for the 
first words, but it looks like it ends with 'lake' (plus something 
between () ), maybe even 'down the lake'.

Carolyn:
I thought it might say 'lawn slopes down to lake' (??)

> 
> Carolyn originally:
> > - the label on the road at the bottom of the map.

> Earendil now:
> Hm, what road at the bottom of the map? Maybe we're looking at
> different captures of the map, the one I'm looking at
> (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2004/11/dvdmap1.jpg) is 
cut
> above what I guess is the road from the train station to Hogwarts
> (labelled 'road for carriages' just below Hogsmeade)
> 
Carolyn again:
Ah, if you go back to TLC, you will see there are actually two maps 
to download. One is larger than the other and includes a long road 
down at the bottom, round the bottom of the lake. However, it is much 
poorer focus.

I was really hoping to try and make out where the rumoured graveyard 
might be, but these maps give no clue, alas.






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Nov 25 22:46:44 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:46:44 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Map of Hogwarts drawn by JKR
In-Reply-To: <co5n6k+8qi2@eGroups.com>
References: <co5bo0+6eoo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <41A6FB84.3028.2E1B8D0@localhost>

Hmmm... time to get my mapping software out and redo all my 
floorplans of Hogwarts to take into account what is contained 
here...


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Nov 26 04:57:27 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:57:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: My Little Ponies - Harry Potter style
Message-ID: <3506.4.47.27.231.1101445047.squirrel@4.47.27.231>

>From http://phantomfalls.com/ :

http://phantomfalls.com/mylittlepony-modern.html

Scroll down a bit. :-)  I still have my own 'stable' of 'vintage' MLPs
from the 1980s.

Hm, I don't think the tabby cat should be with Ravenclaw's pony.  Though,
the Slytherin ferret matches. {chuckle}

I remember seeing custom LOTR Breyer ponies (pretty) but don't remember
where.

Dina






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Nov 26 05:41:02 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:41:02 -0500
Subject: Thanksgiving, DVD, Etc.
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEFEDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Hi Folks,

Well, got the new DVD on Tuesday.  Actually, Art and I watched it Tuesday
night, but we haven't dipped into the extras yet. :-)

I had planned to see POA several times in the theater and, as things would
go, never got there, so this was really our first viewing.

I know a lot of folk like it, but I felt something lacking...a lot lacking.
Too much muggle clothing; overkill with the Fat Lady singing; not enough
concentration on things like Sirius trying to attack Ron in the Gryf tower
and stuff.  IMHO...I Wish Chris Columbus Would Come Back!

Another problem I had was more technical; I felt some of the dialog was
buried at or below the level of the music.  This may be a trend of today,
however, as I've experienced this with several TV programs.

Anyway, if I take the movie as just a movie and not try to pull the POA book
into it, it's good.

We brought the DVD to my brother's house for Thanksgiving, and intended to
use my computer to play it since his TV has a problem with it's oscillator
and the picture is a mess.  However, I could not get any audio out of
Windows Media Player, so we ended up leaving the DVD with him so he could
watch it whenever.  Well, since he's blind, too, (unlike Art) <Grin>, the
squashed picture wouldn't affect him.  I just got email from him, and his
opinion was very similar to ours.

We had a great Thanksgiving; we let Boston Market do the cooking for us.
<LOL>

Anyway, off to bed and up early; we may take advantage of a Wal-Mart sale.
:-)

Peace and happiness to all.  Be well!

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From earendil_fr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 26 07:26:26 2004
From: earendil_fr at yahoo.com (earendil_fr)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 07:26:26 -0000
Subject: Map of Hogwarts drawn by JKR
In-Reply-To: <co5n6k+8qi2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <co6lr2+q629@eGroups.com>



> Carolyn:
> I decided that the label on the far right probably did say 'vegetable 
> patch', but I just can't make out the writing in the box on the right 
> between the veg patch and the castle.

Earendil:
I think it's close to what you said in your previous post. I
personnally think it's written 'greenhouses'. The greenhouses have to
be outside the castle, haven't they?


> Earendil:
> > As for the label on the left of the castle, I can't tell for the 
> first words, but it looks like it ends with 'lake' (plus something 
> between () ), maybe even 'down the lake'.
> 
> Carolyn:
> I thought it might say 'lawn slopes down to lake' (??)

Earendil:
Even if we don't get all the words right, I'm sure this is the general
idea :-)


> > Carolyn originally:
> > > - the label on the road at the bottom of the map.
> 
> > Earendil now:
> > Hm, what road at the bottom of the map? Maybe we're looking at
> > different captures of the map, the one I'm looking at
> > (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2004/11/dvdmap1.jpg) is 
> cut
> > above what I guess is the road from the train station to Hogwarts
> > (labelled 'road for carriages' just below Hogsmeade)
> > 
> Carolyn again:
> Ah, if you go back to TLC, you will see there are actually two maps 
> to download. One is larger than the other and includes a long road 
> down at the bottom, round the bottom of the lake. However, it is much 
> poorer focus.

Earendil:
I know, I realised the other picture was larger right after I posted
the message. Can't tell what's written at the bottom of the map
either, and judging from the comments on that news, many other people
can't either.

Carolyn:
> I was really hoping to try and make out where the rumoured graveyard 
> might be, but these maps give no clue, alas.

Earendil:
I don't think JKR would place something on the map that hasn't been
mentioned in the books yet, even if it *is* there. Would she have
mentioned the whomping willow back if she had had to draw such a map
for us after book one? I don't think she would have - she hates to
spoil her readers, doesn't she?
All we can tell from this map is that, well, there *is* room for a
graveyard on Hogwarts' grounds...

Earendil.






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 26 08:56:53 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:56:53 -0000
Subject: Map of Hogwarts drawn by JKR
In-Reply-To: <cnq147+b5do@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <co6r4l+dion@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> I was just looking at the map of Hogwarts which TLC put up (from the 
> DVD I think). Has anyone deciphered all the wording ? JKR's writing 
> is difficult to read.
> 
> The bits that are defeating my eyesight at the moment are:
> 
> - the labels on the areas to the right and left of the castle. 
> ...edited...
> 
> - the label on the road at the bottom of the map.
> 
> I was trying to see if there was any mention of where the (rumoured) 
> graveyard was, but it seems not.
> 
> Carolyn

bboyminn:


As far as the readability of the map, I downloaded it and pulled it
into a photo editing program, and the writing is so pixelated that
Sharpening and Enlarging didn't do much to improve it. Others with
sharp eye have done better than I could with my Photo Edit program.


Next, I think we need to be cautions about reading too much into this
Map. We don't know if this the THE OFFICIAL FINALIZED HOGWARTS MAP or
just an early sketch she made as a quick reference.

For example, I, and I know others as well, have read the story in a
way that places the rail station and rail tracks between Hogwarts and
Hogsmeade. This new map doesn't appear that way. 

Also, when Ron tries to put the 'Eat Slugs' curse on Malfoy and it
backfires, Harry responds by saying that Hagrid's cabin is closer than
the castle. Although, in the past, I have cautioned people against
that being taken literally. I have suspect, Hagrid's wasn't
necessarily closer, but quicker when the sloping lawns and the many
stairways were taken into consideration. None the less, Harry does say
that Hagrid's is closer than that castle in that incident.

All that said, JKR's Map does look very close to the way I pictured
Hogwarts. Again, the exception is, assuming the top of the Map is
North, that the lake, the train station, and Hogsmeade are all south
of school grounds.

For another fan based reference map of Hogwarts that supports my view
that the lake, train, and village are all south of the school see the
HP Lexicon.

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/images/maps/hogwarts_map.html

So, again, my main point is that since we don't know when in the story
development cycle this map was created, we should be careful about
considering it absolute truth.

Just a thought.
Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Nov 26 09:09:31 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:09:31 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Map of Hogwarts drawn by JKR
In-Reply-To: <co6r4l+dion@eGroups.com>
References: <cnq147+b5do@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <41A78D7B.23926.137666F@localhost>

On 26 Nov 2004 at 8:56, Steve wrote:

> So, again, my main point is that since we don't know when in the story
> development cycle this map was created, we should be careful about
> considering it absolute truth.

As someone else who tries to map some of the things associated 
around Hogwarts from textual clues, I've already found one 
potential problem with this map matching the text.

In Goblet of Fire, on several occasions, characters are described 
as having walked entirely around the lake - well, there seems to be 
a wall that would make that rather difficult. Characters are also 
described as walking around the forest to a location where the lake 
and castle can no longer be seen - it seems to me that would be 
rather difficult as well, from this map - though I haven't been 
able to check that yet - maybe they had left the boundary of the 
wall.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Nov 26 09:22:28 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:22:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Is Bush's fly undone?  Yahoo news item
Message-ID: <4673.4.47.27.231.1101460948.squirrel@4.47.27.231>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041121/481/edb11411211850

What is that white spot at Bush's groin?  Err, I'm having a flashback to
Monica's dress.  Anyway, if it's a photo defect, it's rather... amusing.

And I'm annoyed to find my email account has been bouncing per
Yahoogroups.  I've lost over forty emails. :-(

Dina





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 26 11:31:13 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:31:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Many Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20041126113113.14960.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com>

*surveys the dust on the decorations with dismay and
hastily starts redecorating the room*

Yes, it's been a while since we've had a party in this
room, hasn't it. Our Birthday Elf has been suffering
through technical difficulties and none of her
delightful messages have made it through to the list
in some time. 

We've had quite a few birthdays since her last post
made it here. I'd like to ask you all to join in the
huge celebration planned here today. Please send
birthday owls care of this list or directly to the
folks who have been missed in the past couple weeks.
Their addresses are:

lilahp - southernscotland at yahoo.com
FruHu - Iwant12 at hotmail.com
Yoda - yodamarie78 at yahoo.com
Roo - pat_mahoney at hotmail.com
Devika - devika at sas.upenn.edu
Diana - NYMetsGirl1986 at yahoo.com
Silvercat - silvercat at qnet.com
Erin - erinellii at yahoo.com
Odette - denver_pottefan at yahoo.com
snazzzybird - carmenharms at yahoo.com

I hope all of you had magical days when you
celebrated. 

Happy Belated Birthday to everyone!

*wanders off in seach of cake, sandwiches and drinks
for all*

Sheryll the temp Birthday Elf

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 26 19:08:06 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:08:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The theory that Snape was at the graveyard
In-Reply-To: <co6r4l+dion@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041126190806.53909.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com>


I read a theory either here on the posts that Snape was at the graveyard at the end of GF.  Can someone direct me to that, please.  Thanks.

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From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 27 16:48:00 2004
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (Dan Feeney)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:48:00 -0000
Subject: The theory that Snape was at the graveyard
In-Reply-To: <20041126190806.53909.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <coab40+7g5l@eGroups.com>


kemper mentor wrote:
> 
> I read a theory either here on the posts that Snape was at the 
graveyard at the end of GF.  Can someone direct me to that, please.  
Thanks.

Dan:

For starters, try HPforGrownups with post numbers
81451
83324
86291
89492

or later

105694 (Neri)

Dan






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 27 18:44:51 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:44:51 -0000
Subject: The theory that Snape was at the graveyard
In-Reply-To: <20041126190806.53909.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <coahv3+pv1b@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> 
> I read a theory either here on the posts that Snape was at the
graveyard at the end of GF.  Can someone direct me to that, please. 
Thanks.
> 
> Kemper

bboyminn:

You'll find many long discussions on this subject usually related to
Voldemort's statements about missing Death Eaters in the Graveyard
scene. His statements go something like this...

...one too cowardly to return ...he will be killed...

...one who I *believe* has left me forever...

...my faithful servant...

The broadest concensus is that "..too cowardly..." is Karkarov
(Karkaroff?SP), "...I believe has left me..." is Snape, and
"...faithful servant..." is Crouch.Jr posing as Moody.

Others will try to twist/speculate these statement into implying other
people for a variety of reason, one of which is to allow Snape to be
on the scene. Usually under the logic that Snape could not later go
back to Voldemort or the Death Eaters if he did not show up at the
graveyard.

Again, a substantial majority do not support this belief. 

Note that Voldemort doesn't say that Snape has left him, he says that
he believes that Snape has left him. I have always contended that
'believe' implies an element of doubt, and that element of doubt
allows Snape to return at a later time with a good explanation. 

I also agree with others that Snape was most likely to relay his 'good
explanation' to Voldemort through Malfoy, who most likely vouched for
Snape continued allegiance to Voldemort.

That doesn't quite answer your question, but should give you some
background on why somen people believe Snape was at the graveyard.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)









From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 28 05:02:26 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 28 Nov 2004 05:02:26 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1101618146.16.60031.m23@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 28, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 28 06:05:45 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:05:45 -0000
Subject: Sneakoscope
Message-ID: <cobprp+k5nk@eGroups.com>


Awhile ago I asked if anyone had a clue about the spinny thingy on 
the desk in JKR's Rubbish Bin.  After watching the bonus material on 
the PoA DVD, my guess is that it's a pocket sneakoscope.  Did anyone 
else come to that conclusion?

imamommy






From entropymail at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 28 14:24:52 2004
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:24:52 -0000
Subject: Thanksgiving, DVD, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEFEDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <cocn3k+qju1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> 
> I know a lot of folk like it, but I felt something lacking...a lot
lacking.
> Too much muggle clothing; overkill with the Fat Lady singing; not enough
> concentration on things like Sirius trying to attack Ron in the Gryf
tower
> and stuff.  IMHO...I Wish Chris Columbus Would Come Back!



Just posting to commiserate. Seems you're experiencing a bit of
delayed "Alfonso Cuaron Remorse".  I felt the same way, but have since
gotten over it, by vowing to no longer anticipate the movies in the
same way I anticipate the books.

As I recall, I posted quite a little rant-filled list when the movie
first came out, and I stick by it to this day.  The third movie just
isn't as "magical" to me as the first two. And that shrunken head....
Anyway, I really just wanted to mention something that I noticed a
while back. It's that (in general, mind you. It's not written in
stone, so don't get crazy, people) the younger fans seemed to like the
movie a great deal, while the older, adult fans seemed to be more
disappointed with it.

That said, I *did* run out and get the 3rd as soon as it came out (the
whole box set of 1,2, and 3, in fact!) and have been enjoying the
extras immensely, a bit at a time. 

Entropy






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 28 16:02:15 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 28 Nov 2004 16:02:15 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1101657735.52.39338.m3@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 28, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 29 20:44:20 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:44:20 -0000
Subject: Thanksgiving, DVD, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <cocn3k+qju1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cog1n4+nkpg@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" 
<entropymail at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is 
The
> Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> > 
> > I know a lot of folk like it, but I felt something lacking...a 
lot
> lacking.
> > Too much muggle clothing; overkill with the Fat Lady singing; 
not enough
> > concentration on things like Sirius trying to attack Ron in the 
Gryf
> tower
> > and stuff.  IMHO...I Wish Chris Columbus Would Come Back!
> 
> 
> 
> Just posting to commiserate. Seems you're experiencing a bit of
> delayed "Alfonso Cuaron Remorse".  I felt the same way, but have 
since
> gotten over it, by vowing to no longer anticipate the movies in the
> same way I anticipate the books.
> 
> As I recall, I posted quite a little rant-filled list when the 
movie
> first came out, and I stick by it to this day.  The third movie 
just
> isn't as "magical" to me as the first two. And that shrunken 
head....
> Anyway, I really just wanted to mention something that I noticed a
> while back. It's that (in general, mind you. It's not written in
> stone, so don't get crazy, people) the younger fans seemed to like 
the
> movie a great deal, while the older, adult fans seemed to be more
> disappointed with it.
> 
> That said, I *did* run out and get the 3rd as soon as it came out 
(the
> whole box set of 1,2, and 3, in fact!) and have been enjoying the
> extras immensely, a bit at a time. 
> 
> Entropy

I am one of the older fans (38), and I, too, preferred movies 1 and 
2.  I like the magical feel to them.  However, I did like the 
edginess of 3.  I hope Mike Newell is a good combination of Columbus 
and Cuaron (but I prefer Columbus).

jules






From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 29 20:46:17 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:46:17 -0000
Subject: The theory that Snape was at the graveyard
In-Reply-To: <20041126190806.53909.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cog1qp+bbu0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> 
> I read a theory either here on the posts that Snape was at the 
graveyard at the end of GF.  Can someone direct me to that, please.  
Thanks.
> 
> Kemper
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
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> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

An essage on Mugglenet's "The North Tower" was on this topic.  Can't 
remember the title exactly, but if you click on the North Tower 
link, all of the essay links are there.  You should be able to find 
it.

jules






From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 29 20:47:26 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:47:26 -0000
Subject: Sneakoscope
In-Reply-To: <cobprp+k5nk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cog1su+1mh7@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> 
wrote:
> 
> Awhile ago I asked if anyone had a clue about the spinny thingy on 
> the desk in JKR's Rubbish Bin.  After watching the bonus material 
on 
> the PoA DVD, my guess is that it's a pocket sneakoscope.  Did 
anyone 
> else come to that conclusion?
> 
> imamommy

I did, but it's purpose on the page I know not.

jules

P.S.  If you push the tab button while it is spinning, it stops.  
Again, not sure the purpose.






From cantor at vgernet.net  Mon Nov 29 22:11:47 2004
From: cantor at vgernet.net (cantoramy)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:11:47 -0000
Subject: Art Materials for HP Fans (kids and adults)
Message-ID: <cog6r3+9eqe@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone!

My husband owns an art supply store and got 2 of the greatest "how to"
books I ever saw.  They are published by Peel Productions, Inc. in
their series "1, 2, 3...Draw."  Both are by Freddie Levin.  One is
"Mythical Creatures" and the other is "Knights, Castles and Dragons."
 They are not HP or WB licensed, but they go along with the stories. 
Ms. Levin not only shows how to draw hippogriffs and kappas and
dragons, she also gives their histories and where they originated. 
They are geared for kids, but any adult would love to get these books
if he or she is a  novice artist.  A book, a pad of paper and some
drawing pencils or crayons would be a great present.

There is also a set from Sculpey clay called "Wizards, Knights and
Dragons," with instructions on "how to."  Obviously, one could buy
one's own Sculpey, but the set is complete, and having a finished
project look like the wizard on the front of the package would be fun.

Just thought you'd like to know--they are so great!!

cantoramy






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Nov 30 01:02:06 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:02:06 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Thanksgiving, DVD, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <cog1n4+nkpg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEHHDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[fanofminerva wrote]:
| I am one of the older fans (38), and I, too, preferred movies 1 and
| 2.  I like the magical feel to them.  However, I did like the
| edginess of 3.  I hope Mike Newell is a good combination of Columbus
| and Cuaron (but I prefer Columbus).

[Lee, shaking head...]:

Interesting...I didn't think POA was edgier at all.  In fact, it seemed
rather flat when compared to the feel of COS especially during the
fighting-the-basilisk scene.  I can only hope that GOF brings back more of
the edge as well as the magic. :-)

Like I said, the DVd was my first viewing of the movie.  Perhaps it's better
this way; if I had watched the movie in the theater, I might have hesitated
to get the DVD or, at least, waited till the rush died down. :-)

Anyway, I'm off to get some coffee and pumpky pie.

Oh--yeah--anyone notice how thoroughly the "Aunt Marge's Waltz"
parallels/mimics Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie?" It's a real hoot!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 30 04:39:17 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:39:17 -0000
Subject: WB missing out on a lot of merchandising
Message-ID: <cogthl+a79c@eGroups.com>


Ok, so I do not understand why there is not more licensed HP 
merchandise out there.  They do a few toys and some T-shirts for the 
kids, and that's about it.  When Shrek 2 was coming out, that Ogre 
had his face plastered on everything from sneakers to fruit snacks.  
Ditto Spiderman.  Why no Happy Meal toys, no Have a Very Harry 
Christmas ornaments for my tree, no Nargle-infested mistletoe to 
smooch under? Warner Brothers, are you really going to let this 
virtually untapped market go unexploited?  How disappointing!

imamommy
who would really like a shrunken head to hang from my rearview mirror






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Nov 30 05:08:36 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:08:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WB missing out on a lot of merchandising
In-Reply-To: <cogthl+a79c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOIEHJDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

There's a wonderful on-line shop called "The Sylvan Lane" shop which has a
lot of lovely HP things.  I have the four house mugs from there, courtesy of
my brother as a B-Day present a couple of years ago.

But, you're right...so many missed opportunities.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 05:30:51 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:30:51 -0000
Subject: My Little Ponies - Harry Potter style
In-Reply-To: <3506.4.47.27.231.1101445047.squirrel@4.47.27.231>
Message-ID: <coh0ib+3k87@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <redina at s...> 
wrote:
> From http://phantomfalls.com/ :
> 
> http://phantomfalls.com/mylittlepony-modern.html

I can't believe it.  (and, Green eyes on the Hufflepuff!) and I was 
very much a Breyer nut back in the day (know all about rehairing, 
etc.)

A.J.






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Nov 30 09:36:03 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:36:03 -0000
Subject: WB missing out on a lot of merchandising
In-Reply-To: <cogthl+a79c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <coheu3+uehv@eGroups.com>


imamommy wrote:

> Ok, so I do not understand why there is not more licensed HP 
> merchandise out there.  They do a few toys and some T-shirts for 
the 
> kids, and that's about it. 

Is this something to do with the terms of JKR's deal with WB?  I 
vaguely remember something about her insisting that the degree of 
kitchness (kitchitude? kitchality?) be be kept within reasonable 
bounds.  That said, WB seem to have no idea about tasteful 
merchandising.

David, considering leaving his head to WB to be shrunken into an 
ornament






From lists at heidi8.com  Tue Nov 30 10:51:55 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WB missing out on a lot of merchandising
In-Reply-To: <cogthl+a79c@eGroups.com>
References: <cogthl+a79c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1101811920.39C510BD@h28.dngr.org>

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 2:54 am, elady25 wrote:
> Ok, so I do not understand why there is not more licensed HP
> merchandise out there.? They do a few toys and some T-shirts for the
> kids, and that's about it.?

JKR has a lot of say over what's been created. She's turned down things 
she things are stupid, inapropriate, etc. I spoke with WB about the lack 
of stuff for grownups about 2+ years ago and now, we finally have some 
gorgeous stuff at noblecollection.com - but still, there's no line of 
bath potions by Snape.

You should check out HPWizardStore and if you're near LA, Whimsic Alley, 
their real shop on Wiltshire. And if you want a wolly hat like the one 
Hermione wears in PoA, I can give you the name of someone who'll knit 
one. And HPwizardStore has ornaments, too - I've been buying HP-themed 
ones at Hallmark for five seasons now.

There's links to more store-stuff on FictionAlley's Shopping in 
Hogsmeade forum, about 2/3 of the way down at 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums.





From drjuliehoward at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 15:28:56 2004
From: drjuliehoward at yahoo.com (fanofminerva)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:28:56 -0000
Subject: Thanksgiving, DVD, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEHHDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <coi3jo+iu8n@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is 
The Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> [fanofminerva wrote]:
> | I am one of the older fans (38), and I, too, preferred movies 1 
and
> | 2.  I like the magical feel to them.  However, I did like the
> | edginess of 3.  I hope Mike Newell is a good combination of 
Columbus
> | and Cuaron (but I prefer Columbus).
> 
> [Lee, shaking head...]:
> 
> Interesting...I didn't think POA was edgier at all.  In fact, it 
seemed
> rather flat when compared to the feel of COS especially during the
> fighting-the-basilisk scene.  I can only hope that GOF brings back 
more of
> the edge as well as the magic. :-)
> 
> Like I said, the DVd was my first viewing of the movie.  Perhaps 
it's better
> this way; if I had watched the movie in the theater, I might have 
hesitated
> to get the DVD or, at least, waited till the rush died down. :-)
> 
> Anyway, I'm off to get some coffee and pumpky pie.
> 
> Oh--yeah--anyone notice how thoroughly the "Aunt Marge's Waltz"
> parallels/mimics Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie?" It's a real hoot!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)
> 
> Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
> I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
> Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at a... (or)
> I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at o...
> Walk beside me, and be my friend.

When I said "edgier" I meant emotional content (ie., teen angst), 
not action.  I agree with you that fighting the basilisk was more 
action-packed.  I wonder if the missing ingredient in POA was LV?  
Could it be that any director would have had to deal with lesser 
action because of the missing LV?  However, I think they could have 
had more Sirius Black (e.g., attacking Ron) and this would have 
boosted the action/edginess a bit.

Jules








From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Nov 30 15:42:39 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:42:39 -0000
Subject: WB missing out on a lot of merchandising
In-Reply-To: <1101811920.39C510BD@h28.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <coi4df+57hv@eGroups.com>


Heidi wrote:

> JKR has a lot of say over what's been created. She's turned down 
things 
> she things are stupid, inapropriate, etc. I spoke with WB about 
the lack 
> of stuff for grownups about 2+ years ago and now, we finally have 
some 
> gorgeous stuff at noblecollection.com - but still, there's no line 
of 
> bath potions by Snape.

I feel there's a seasonal competition here.

The Molly Weasley Award For Most Tacky Yuletide Merchandise 
competition:

Come up with the cheesiest, or most tasteless, or just plain 
inappropriate concept/design/artwork for a piece of HP merchandise 
or decoration.

The Peeves Filthy Filk competition: Filk a well-known carol - need I 
say any more?

David






From lists at heidi8.com  Tue Nov 30 15:51:38 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:51:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WB missing out on a lot of merchandising
In-Reply-To: <coi4df+57hv@eGroups.com>
References: <1101811920.39C510BD@h28.dngr.org> <coi4df+57hv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f804113007514bed693d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:42:39 -0000, davewitley
<dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:>
> I feel there's a seasonal competition here.
> 
> The Molly Weasley Award For Most Tacky Yuletide Merchandise 
> competition:
> 
> Come up with the cheesiest, or most tasteless, or just plain 
> inappropriate concept/design/artwork for a piece of HP merchandise 
> or decoration.

We actually had a contest at Nimbus (http://www.hp2003.org) focused on
the worst merchandise people had found. I think a three-pack of Harry
Potter underpants won?

But yes, this would be a funny thing for the list to do! 

Heidi



From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Tue Nov 30 16:07:32 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:07:32 -0500
Subject: the worst HP merchandise
In-Reply-To: <5913e6f804113007514bed693d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1101811920.39C510BD@h28.dngr.org>
 <coi4df+57hv@eGroups.com>
 <5913e6f804113007514bed693d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041130110510.02927cf0@mail.toltbbs.com>


At 10:51 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:42:39 -0000, davewitley
><dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:>
> > I feel there's a seasonal competition here.
> >
> > The Molly Weasley Award For Most Tacky Yuletide Merchandise
> > competition:
> >
> > Come up with the cheesiest, or most tasteless, or just plain
> > inappropriate concept/design/artwork for a piece of HP merchandise
> > or decoration.
>
>We actually had a contest at Nimbus 
>(<http://www.hp2003.org)>http://www.hp2003.org) focused on
>the worst merchandise people had found. I think a three-pack of Harry
>Potter underpants won?
>
>But yes, this would be a funny thing for the list to do!
>
>Heidi
Now Phil:
What about a pair of graying Snape underpants?
Smiles,
Phil


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From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 30 16:52:03 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:52:03 -0000
Subject: the worst HP merchandise
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20041130110510.02927cf0@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <coi8fj+u771@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Phil Vlasak <pcsgames at t...> 
wrote:
> 
> At 10:51 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:42:39 -0000, davewitley
> ><dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:>
> > > I feel there's a seasonal competition here.
> > >
> > > The Molly Weasley Award For Most Tacky Yuletide Merchandise
> > > competition:
> > >
> > > Come up with the cheesiest, or most tasteless, or just plain
> > > inappropriate concept/design/artwork for a piece of HP 
merchandise
> > > or decoration.
> >
> >We actually had a contest at Nimbus 
> >(<http://www.hp2003.org)>http://www.hp2003.org) focused on
> >the worst merchandise people had found. I think a three-pack of 
Harry
> >Potter underpants won?
> >
> >But yes, this would be a funny thing for the list to do!
> >
> >Heidi
> Now Phil:
> What about a pair of graying Snape underpants?
> Smiles,
> Phil

imamommy:

Didn't JKR say something once about declining to manufacture talking 
toilet seats with Myrtle's picture on it?

But how about the talking Hermione Granger Homework Planner?  Or the 
Harry Potter Dream Diary?

Wait I've got it!!! Wall plaques in the image of beheaded house 
elves, that talk or sing like the Billy Bass that was the height of 
kitch a few years back.

imamommy
who's in the market for a portable swamp lawn decoration for next 
Halloween








From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 18:09:18 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:09:18 -0000
Subject: Art Materials for HP Fans (kids and adults)
In-Reply-To: <cog6r3+9eqe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <coid0e+4der@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cantoramy" <cantor at v...> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> My husband owns an art supply store and got 2 of the greatest "how to"
> books I ever saw.  They are published by Peel Productions, Inc. in
> their series "1, 2, 3...Draw."  Both are by Freddie Levin.  One is
> "Mythical Creatures" and the other is "Knights, Castles and Dragons."

Thanks for the tip!  They sound wonderful; I'll try to track them down!

Annemehr







From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Nov 30 19:30:29 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:30:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: I finally bought the HP books
Message-ID: <4003.4.47.27.213.1101843029.squirrel@4.47.27.213>

My 'Christmas' gift to myself was buying all five HP books used for less
than $40, including shipping, after getting into the fandom last June. 
Not a bad price and they're in decent/'almost new' condition.  Next, I've
got to start selling off stuff.

I ended up returning my Barnes&Noble purchase [via the gift certificate my
sister gave me] and am now planning on giving the certificate to my
brother, and the Walmart certificate a friend gave me is now going to my
mom--heh, the gifts that keep on giving.  Seriously, it does help
redistribute around the expenses because... dude, I make the Weasleys look
like they're rolling in money.

I know I'm a slow reader but I *think* I read faster from a book versus
the computer screen.  The last time I read a book was... 1996?  It'll seem
weird to see some words and names in print because I've primarily heard
the HP audio books.

Dina





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 20:37:30 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:37:30 EST
Subject: merchandising
Message-ID: <15a.44e3c94c.2ede340a@aol.com>

Check out www.thenoblecollection.com and www.hottopic.com both sites have HP 
related merchandise.  There are some great 2005 calendars out there right now 
too!  OH, and Alivan's (I think it's www.alivans.com) is a good site too.  

Happy shopping, Elves!

"Luna"


---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 20:41:22 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:41:22 EST
Subject: Merchandising, Heidi
Message-ID: <d4.1c429734.2ede34f2@aol.com>

" ...but still, there's no line of bath potions by Snape.  ...  You should 
check out HPWizardStore and if you're near LA, Whimsic Alley, their real shop on 
Wiltshire."

Hello Heidi!

LOL about the bath potions by snape .... kinda creepy, but fun!  I'm going to 
meet a friend at "Whimsic Alley" in a couple of weeks and I can hardly wait.  
I hear its a great place.

"Luna"


---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 20:44:37 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:44:37 EST
Subject: undies?
Message-ID: <e4.5d80e8c7.2ede35b5@aol.com>

"I think a three-pack of Harry Potter underpants won?"


Harry Potter panties!  OH MY!  That reminds me of buying purple undies in the 
70's because that was Donny Osmonds favorite color. LOL   Yikes ... now I'm 
dating myself!

"Luna"


---------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Nov 30 23:19:14 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:19:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the worst HP merchandise
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20041130110510.02927cf0@mail.toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEIDDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Phil V. wrote]:
| What about a pair of graying Snape underpants?
| Smiles,
| Phil

And the mismatched pair of socks Dobby gave Harry, or the horrid socks Harry
hated from Uncle Vernon.

Or, if you really want to get weird, something like "Relic Vials" containing
slivers of Harry's demolished Nimbus..would that do?

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Nov 30 23:25:17 2004
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:25:17 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WB missing out on a lot of merchandising
In-Reply-To: <1101811920.39C510BD@h28.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEIEDGAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Heidi wrote]:
| but still, there's no line of
| bath potions by Snape.

True, but I do recall seeing Harry Potter bath products, and that might have 
been through the Sylvan Lane Shop.  I kinda cringed at that!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me;    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.