From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  1 04:07:40 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:07:40 -0000
Subject: GOF script (minor spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <cjhueq+lj0j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjil6c+h2mi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "animalspussycat" 
<animalspussycat at y...> wrote:
> A.J. <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> > There are photos up already of the scene where the group in 
> > muggle clothes goes up the hill to the portkey to the world cup.
> > 
> > The Dursleys aren't in it.
>  
> 
> Where can you see the scene?
> 

I had to think for a while... 

http://harryloveshermione.com/movie/gof/index.html




From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Fri Oct  1 07:01:26 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:01:26 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
Message-ID: <cjivc6+o7jc@eGroups.com>

Heh, I've been trying to get this reply up for two days now, grr, 
argh.

Jen:
> I actually made it into the chat room the other day, but then didn't
know what to do. This sounds silly but I've never been in a chat
before--do you just start typing? Wait for a comment to come up on
screen? I exited out after about a minute because I felt foolish.

Any hints, veteran chatters? <

Heh.  Yep, just start typing, really.  Most people start by 
saying 'hi' to whoever's there, asking what the topic of discussion 
is, etc.  Some of the names should be at least somewhat familiar; if 
you see a bunch of people you don't know at all, it's likely not the 
regular room we use (when you get into a chat room, type /join HP:1 
into the text box and hit enter; it'll take you to the regular room).

Some folks who might be there:
catlady = catlady / Rita
constancevigilance = Susan/Constance
dudemom_2000 = dmom
hermionesmum = Sam
nrenka = Nora
yolandacarroll = Yolanda

There are plenty others, too, of course; I've not been in to chat in 
far too long, so am sure there must be quite a few people who 
are 'regulars' now whom I've not gotten to chat with yet.

Carol:
> I have essentially the same problem and have only braved the
chat room a few times, usually to find no one there because no one is
in my time zone (Arizona, which is on Mountain Standard Time when the
rest of the Rocky Mountain states are on Mountain Daylight Time--and
England is, what? eight or more hours ahead of us). >>>

Hm, okay, so you're on Pacific time for the summer and Mountain in 
winter?  That would mean chat starts at 11 am your time in the summer 
and noon in the winter.  The first hour of chat is usually just 
people getting there, really, but if you wander in any time after 
the 'start' time, there'll probably be a couple folks there.

>Anyway, the one time I found people there, I dared to type in 
something brilliant like "Is anybody home?" and actually did get 
responses. But I had a hard time keeping up with the chat for three 
reasons: I have a 56K modem (boo!); I have trouble making short, 
pithy comments under a paragraph long; and I compulsively edit my 
remarks as if they were posts to a group like this one. >>>

Lol, Carol, I'm exactly the same (all three, actually).  Chat can 
really move sometimes, and it can be a challenge to keep up, but 
everyone's great about it, and it's still fun.  There are some 
fantastic discussions there.  Way back when we used to keep archives 
of the chats for both those who were there and wanted to read back 
through them later and for those who couldn't be there and wanted to 
see what they missed.  It's been harder to do this lately (Yahoo chat 
started misbehaving, there are still software incompatibilities, 
etc.), but I'd love to have these available again.  Reminds me, I 
need to check Cheetah, see if they've made an update.

> I may give it another shot if I'm ever home alone
on a Sunday and actually remember the chat before it's over, but it
isn't easy for those of us who can't bear to make a typo or word a
sentence awkwardly. (I know, I know. Typos and unclear sentences
sometimes escape me, but they're painful for me when I see them 
posted!) >>>

Lol, again, same here.  And, I still make mistakes in chat; not the 
end of the world, really.  It happens to all of us. ;-)

If anyone's interested, we could set up another chat, sometime on 
Saturday I guess (or any time, really), to let folks get their feet 
wet, get comfortable, etc.  It can be set up anytime by anyone 
really; people can just post here when would be good for them, see 
what interest there is, and so on.

Luna:
> Hi Kelley, thanks for the information. I try to remember each week, 
but by 11am on Sundays I'm usually doing something with my son. I'll 
put a bunch of post-it note reminders around the house for this 
weekend. Hopefully that will help! LOL <<<

Oh, you bet, Luna!  I'll work up an early-bird reminder, something to 
go out the night before (does that sound good to you?), maybe that'll 
help.

David:
> I've been meaning (in an idle sort of way, since it's not a time I
can usually make anyway) what the statement about not changing for
daylight saving means. Do you mean that we keep the same clock time
(in which case there is a slight issue as we don't always all change
on the same day), or that we keep constant solar time, so that the
clock time is an hour different in the summer? <<<

The first one. *g*  But yes, to explain for everyone, what that means 
is that for example when the clocks go back an hour in the next few 
weeks, chat will not change to 10 am Pacific, 1pm Eastern, 6 pm UK; 
it will still be 11 am, 2 pm, 7 pm.  Yep, a slight issue, but iirc, 
the UK changes a week or so before the US (can't remember about Aus, 
but unfortunately, very difficult to work out a time when we can 
accomodate all zones), so it's just a short blip.  :-)

Speaking of time zones, look at this great site:
http://www.timeanddate.com/

I've set up a "Personal World Clock" there, cities around the world, 
and have a handy link to it.  No more "Okay, wait, what time is it 
there?" when chatting now.  I love this thing...

> It probably doesn't matter, as I think chat just starts when people
turn up - there's no formal opening - but I find that sentence
confusing. <<<

Exactly; the times are loose, just begins when people get there.  Do 
you have some ideas for better wording to make that bit more clear, 
btw?

--Kelley




From chiara.fantoni at cec.eu.int  Fri Oct  1 12:25:39 2004
From: chiara.fantoni at cec.eu.int (gracchietto)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:25:39 -0000
Subject: News by e-mail on specific actors?
Message-ID: <cjjic3+1pbf@eGroups.com>

Hi!

It's been a long time, I unsubscribed from the main list, and only 
kept this one, due to too much to read and too little time.

I seem to remember a few months ago someone posted something about a 
news service by mail which can be tuned to specific names.

Every time something comes out about a chosen person(s) a link is 
posted to the article, or something the like.

Have I been dreaming?

Thanks in advance!

Chiara




From erinellii at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  1 15:50:47 2004
From: erinellii at yahoo.com (Erin)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:50:47 -0000
Subject: Master ESE! Lupin post??
Message-ID: <cjjucn+6bbl@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone!

I haven't had all that much time for HP in my life lately, in fact I 
haven't been to the main list in, like, a month or two.  Today I went 
over there, but couldn't seem to get into any of the discussions.  
There was only one thing that I remembered really caring about....

Has Pippin posted her master updated Ever-So-Evil!Lupin theory yet?  
And if so, what message number would it be?

Thanks,
--Erin




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Oct  1 18:31:44 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:31:44 -0000
Subject: UN and Iraq
In-Reply-To: <A6A8C454-1315-11D9-88A2-000A95665DE8@m4x.org>
Message-ID: <cjk7qg+uvms@eGroups.com>

I want to thank Shaun and Olivier for sharing their views on the Iraq 
situation. It was very interesting, and I learned quite a lot! I wish 
more people here in the U.S. had as good an understanding of 
the "what" and "why" of Operation Iraqi Freedom as they do. Even 
though they disagree, the tone of the exchange was very civil. Bravo 
to both of you! 

After the distraction of the elections (oh God, please, soon!) I 
think the world will see positive action toward resolution.
MsTattersall

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, olivier.fouquet+harry at m... 
wrote:
> I think Shaun and I have now stated our respective arguments with 
> enough clarity. For the sake of completeness, I will simply restate 
my 
> position.
> 
> Contrary to Shaun, I keep thinking that the war as it unfold was 
> illegal. I acknowledge Shaun's rationale that shooting at aircrafts 
in 
> the no-fly zone is technically a casus belli. I am in the opinion 
that 
> the US, UK and France, as the aggressors, had to prove first that 
> flying aircrafts above Iraq was legal. If casus belli they was, I 
think 
> an argument can be made that it was on their side.
> 
> It is certainly true that inspectors were not happy about their 
working 
> condition. However, Richard Butler, whom Shaun mentioned, Hans 
Blix, 
> Scott Ritter and Mohammed El Baradei all opposed the war and 
stressed 
> that though not perfect, the inspection regime was working. Indeed, 
no 
> weapons of mass destruction of any significant efficiency have been 
> found since.
> 
> I would like to outline one last time what my ideal situation would 
> have been. I would have liked the inspectors to be asked clearly if 
> they were in favor of invasion, limited strike (? la Desert Fox) or 
> simply continued inspections. In the case where they would have 
said 
> they were in favor of invasion, I would have liked the US and UK to 
> present a resolution clearly outlining what they were going to do, 
> including post-war situation. If France had vetoed such a 
resolution 
> (supported by the inspectors and voted by a majority of the 
Security 
> Council that is), I would have been the first to call it a shame.
> 
> However, what happened is so far away from my ideal world, that I 
must 
> confess I have some doubts about the real motivations of the 
invading 
> forces. Doubts I think many people share and that render the whole 
> discussion about whether the war was or wasn't legal a bit surreal.
> 
> But it is always a pleasure to listen to educated arguments. If 
only 
> for that reason, I would like to thank Shaun for this discussion.
> 
> Regards,
> Olivier




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Fri Oct  1 19:17:58 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:17:58 -0500
Subject: A Petition.
Message-ID: <02a001c4a7eb$5df49640$6401a8c0@Einstein>

Hello all.

Iggy here, pooing my head in for a moment to let you all know that there's a 
petition started by a rather irate user of Yahoo Groups.  A group that we 
were both on was deleted without warning (I'm sure an event that has 
happened to most of you.) and he has initiated this petition on ICount.com 
to try and get Yahoo to change their practices.

Please check it you and read the petition.  Sign it if you agree with even 
the majority of what is stated on it... if not all of it.

And please, pass the news along.

http://www.icount.com/petition_view?pet_id=107&ref_id=5978


Iggy McSnurd 





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Oct  1 22:57:17 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:57:17 EDT
Subject: GOF thread
Message-ID: <192.2f881ba2.2e8f3acd@aol.com>

<< "I did read somewhere that they've cut out the Dursleys from the GoF
film altogether, meaning that we won't get to see the ton-tongue
toffee scene. But evidently the Weasley twins will be in it quite a
bit despite that cut, even if (as the script excerpt indicates)
they're given Ludo Bagman's lines! OTOH, the Yule Ball *will* be
filmed after all (Parvati and Padma Patil have been cast)--and Rita
Skeeter is definitely in (given lines that aren't in the book). And,
of course, Ralph Fiennes is going to play Voldemort (though he'll have
to be wholly unrecognizable behind snake makeup), but I don't think
Jason Isaacs will show up as Lucius Malfoy. (They'd better not cut him
from OoP, though!)

Carol, wishing they'd eliminate S.P.E.W. and keep everything else, and
hoping there's lots of Snape">>


Carol you are right there is a lot more before the scene posted at the 
pensieve.  In fact, a few weeks ago, www.mugglenet.com posted some pictures that 
fans had taken at an area where they were filming them walking to the boot 
portkey at the top of a hill on their way to the QWC, so we know this other scene 
isn't the starting point. (Don't recall who asked originally)  I recently looked 
up Jason Isaacs at www.imdb.com and they have him listed as filming GOF, so 
he should be in it.  Isn't he a part of the graveyard scene in the book?  I 
think he's mentioned at the QWC too.  Too bad about Percy being cut, but I can do 
without the Dursley's.  I don't like to see my Harry being treated so poorly 
by those awful people.  :)  OH ... and I had heard that the whole SPEW 
storyline has been eliminated from the film in the interest of cutting the movie 
time.   

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."

J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Oct  1 23:28:07 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:28:07 EDT
Subject: Kelley
Message-ID: <195.2fac9302.2e8f4207@aol.com>

"Oh, you bet, Luna!  I'll work up an early-bird reminder, something to 
go out the night before (does that sound good to you?), maybe that'll 
help." >>

Oh yes, that would help tremendously.  Thanks!!  :)

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."

J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 23:42:24 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:42:24 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Jim!
Message-ID: <cjkq10+2ruj@eGroups.com>

Ah, Friday. *breathes in the fresh Friday air* And isn't it such a 
lovely day for a birthday...*grins* Good thing we've got one to 
party for, then, isn't it?

Today's honoree, in this nice first day of October, is Jim Ferer aka 
Dadgrid.  He can be owled birthday greetings at jferer at yahoo.com.  
Do be sure and give him your best wishes for his birthday!

And the music last time seemed to be quite a success--too bad I 
hadn't thought of it before!  But that shall be remedied post-
haste!  I'm not sure what you all like, so I figured we could just 
listen to the Weird Sisters...*snaps fingers and Weird Sisters music 
fills the room* And of course, the rest of the decorations and 
preparations...*conducts streamers and balloons out to their places*

Now...who else is as hungry as I am? *stomach grumbles* I bet I'm 
not the only one who wants some cake...I'll be right back, then! 
*pops out, and pops back in with large cake* Eat up, everyone!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JIM!

--Rynny the birthday elf  




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Oct  2 01:05:18 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:05:18 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: UN and Iraq
In-Reply-To: <A6A8C454-1315-11D9-88A2-000A95665DE8@m4x.org>
Message-ID: <415E8B6E.21720.5E58983@localhost>

On 30 Sep 2004 at 21:19, olivier.fouquet+harry at m4x.org wrote:


> I would like to outline one last time what my ideal situation would 
> have been. I would have liked the inspectors to be asked clearly if 
> they were in favor of invasion, limited strike (? la Desert Fox) or 
> simply continued inspections. 

Just one more thing I want to address here, because I think it 
illustrates a rather significant problem that the media has helped 
create.

The weapons inspectors in Iraq were not, and are not, experts on 
warfare, or military strategy, or international law.

Some are diplomats, others are scientists, a few have some military 
experience. But they were, and are, experts on weapons of mass 
destruction. A few have other qualifications, but in general terms, 
they are *not* qualified in any way, shape or form, to venture a 
meaningful opinion about whether or not military action would be a 
wise idea, or what form that military action should take.

Asking the inspectors where they were in favour of invasion would 
have made no sense - because they are not trained or qualified in 
that area.

They are certainly as entitled as anyone else to their own personal 
opinion but they are most certainly not able to venture an expert 
opinion on anything outside their field of expertise.

For some reason, some sections of the media have given the 
impression at times that these inspectors are far more qualified 
than they are, in areas that many know nothing about at all.

Asking the inspectors whether or not military action should take 
place, makes about as much sense as asking an army officer whether 
the Kyoto protocol should be ratified. It's not in their area of 
expertise.

The weapons inspectors were asked about their areas of expertise. 
They were asked if they could successfully either find the weapons, 
or confirm their non-existence. Their answer, in their official 
reports and replies (not interviews they have given to the media, 
but what they wrote down in official documents) was that unless 
Iraq gave full co-operation, while they might find weapons that 
existed, they could never hope to confirm their non-existence. And 
Iraq never gave full co-operation, and never showed any signs that 
it would.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 06:00:01 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 06:00:01 -0000
Subject: UN and Iraq
In-Reply-To: <A6A8C454-1315-11D9-88A2-000A95665DE8@m4x.org>
Message-ID: <cjlg51+gi1d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, olivier.fouquet+harry at m... 
wrote:
> I think Shaun and I have now stated our respective arguments with 
> enough clarity. For the sake of completeness, I will simply restate 
my 
> position.
> 

I assocoat myself with Shaun's analysis.  Had he not stated the 
issues so clearly and interpreted them so brilliantly, I would have 
felt compelled to weigh in myself.  On the whole I waa gratified to 
hear that persons from other countries could see the question in the 
same way I did.

> Contrary to Shaun, I keep thinking that the war as it unfold was 
> illegal. I acknowledge Shaun's rationale that shooting at aircrafts 
in 
> the no-fly zone is technically a casus belli. I am in the opinion 
that 
> the US, UK and France, as the aggressors, had to prove first that 
> flying aircrafts above Iraq was legal. If casus belli they was, I 
think 
> an argument can be made that it was on their side.
> 

Your terminology is wrong.  Iraq was the aggressor in Gulf War I.  As 
a condition of the ceaseire, the no-fly zones were created.  They are 
therefore lega, and any attack on the patrol plane is a violation of 
the ceasefire, illegal, and yes, a casus belli in its own right.


> I would like to outline one last time what my ideal situation would 
> have been. I would have liked the inspectors to be asked clearly if 
> they were in favor of invasion, limited strike (? la Desert Fox) or 
> simply continued inspections. In the case where they would have 
said 
> they were in favor of invasion, I would have liked the US and UK to 
> present a resolution clearly outlining what they were going to do, 
> including post-war situation. If France had vetoed such a 
resolution 
> (supported by the inspectors and voted by a majority of the 
Security 
> Council that is), I would have been the first to call it a shame.
> 
> However, what happened is so far away from my ideal world, that I 
must 
> confess I have some doubts about the real motivations of the 
invading 
> forces. Doubts I think many people share and that render the whole 
> discussion about whether the war was or wasn't legal a bit surreal.
> 
> But it is always a pleasure to listen to educated arguments. If 
only 
> for that reason, I would like to thank Shaun for this discussion.
> 

Rather than indulge in innuendo, it woud be helpful if you were to 
spell out what you believe the "real motivations" were.  It is 
impossible to make an argument-- educated or otherwise-- without 
knowing your position.  

Haggridd
> Regards,
> Olivier




From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Oct  2 08:06:35 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 04:06:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Another 'pervy' Reuters' headline - politics
Message-ID: <1517.4.12.232.11.1096704395.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

It's 4am, I'm watching Harry and Draco riding broomsticks (HBOF), and I
saw this...

>From the folks at Reuters, who brought us 'long pounding':
"Bush and Kerry Hit Road, Trade Blows on Jobs"

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Oct  2 09:03:27 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:03:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: US Candidates in Drag (manips)
Message-ID: <1630.4.12.232.11.1096707807.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Carolyn sent this link:
http://www.transbuddha.com/index.php/weblog/extended/candidatesindrag/

For some twisted reason, John Edwards reminds me of Anne Rice.

I need one of those 'accomplished' mood icons now because I've spent over
nine hours going through ~2,500 emails.  I still have 5,000 more but it's
a start!

Dina




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 13:19:07 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:19:07 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjivc6+o7jc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjm9sb+3as6@eGroups.com>

> Jen:
> > I actually made it into the chat room the other day, but then didn't
> know what to do. This sounds silly but I've never been in a chat
> before--do you just start typing? Wait for a comment to come up on
> screen? I exited out after about a minute because I felt foolish.
> 
> Any hints, veteran chatters? <

Hi, Jen! I've been meaning to reply to this thread; guess I'd better
get on it, since it's Saturday! ;)

I've been in the chat an average of once a month for...well, months
now.  Maybe about a year?  Anyway, my observations:

~ I know I chatted on a modem before we got DSL last January, and it
seemed to go fine.

~ The times I've logged on early, I've found the real chatting didn't
actually start until about an hour after the stated start time. 
Yolanda was logged in, but she multitasks and so wasn't chatting then.
 Still, if a bunch of new people log on earlier -- well, you'll chat!

~ Once or twice I've logged in to a blank screen (is this what
happened to you, Jen?) until I typed something and entered it. 
Normally, though, when you log in, the chat begins showing up immediately.

~ Yahoo!mort happens -- people regularly fall off and have to refresh
their screen and return.  We work around it.

~ Everyone's very friendly, and we have a great time.  We're on topic
and off, it just depends.  It's just an informal, online conversation.

Come and join us!

Annemehr




From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Oct  2 13:56:58 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Seeking 'inexpensive' HP HB books Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Banned 
     books - another question
In-Reply-To: <cjalp7+its@eGroups.com>
References: <cj7les+ehva@eGroups.com> <cjalp7+its@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2243.4.12.232.11.1096725418.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Caius Marcius said:

> unable to obtain access to them (so, you're 10 years old, Mom won't
> let you buy one, and the school library doesn't carry it - so, slip
> out to the local Wal-Mart, plunk down 6.95 for a copy of Sorcerer's
> STone, and hide it under your pillow).

Does WalMart really have $7 HP books?  The hardback ones?  I was looking
at the used book section linked to Amazon but the shipping bumps up the
price and I can never be really sure of the condition.

I don't have any HP books and it would be nice to get some copies.  Hey, I
might actually read a book for the first time in 8-9 years.

Dina




From lists at heidi8.com  Sat Oct  2 14:01:17 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:01:17 -0400
Subject: Seeking 'inexpensive' HP HB books Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Banned      books - another question
In-Reply-To: <2243.4.12.232.11.1096725418.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
References: <cj7les+ehva@eGroups.com> <cjalp7+its@eGroups.com> <2243.4.12.232.11.1096725418.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <1096725682.FCE2C11@s5.dngr.org>

You can buy a set of the first four, in hardback, at a scholastic book 
fair, for 28$. If anyone wants one, let me know & I'll ship it to you in 
November (I'm the book fair chair at my son's school) (but I'll have to 
add on shipping & handling). Or find a local school and help support 
them by buying a set there.

Heidi


PS - yes, scholastic lets schools have a no-Harry-Potter bookfair but I 
don't know if those schools also bar, say, artemis fowl or the 
spiderwick series (faries! goblins! Eek!)

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 9:57am, Dina Lerret wrote:
> Caius Marcius said:
>  unable to obtain access to them (so, you're 10 years old, Mom won't
>  let you buy one, and the school library doesn't carry it - so, slip
>  out to the local Wal-Mart, plunk down 6.95 for a copy of Sorcerer's
>  STone, and hide it under your pillow).
Does WalMart really have $7 HP books?? The hardback ones?? I was 
looking
at the used book section linked to Amazon but the shipping bumps up the
price and I can never be really sure of the condition.
I don't have any HP books and it would be nice to get some copies.? 
Hey, I
might actually read a book for the first time in 8-9 years.
Dina
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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct  3 04:02:31 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 3 Oct 2004 04:02:31 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1096776151.216.52832.m13@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 3, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  3 04:10:41 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 04:10:41 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjm9sb+3as6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjnu41+11a7@eGroups.com>


Anne:
> Hi, Jen! I've been meaning to reply to this thread; guess I'd 
better
> get on it, since it's Saturday! ;)
> 
> I've been in the chat an average of once a month for...well, months
> now.  Maybe about a year?  

Jen: Thank you for responding, Anne. You and Carol made me feel 
better about being a chatophobic!

Anne:
> ~ Once or twice I've logged in to a blank screen (is this what
> happened to you, Jen?) until I typed something and entered it. 
> Normally, though, when you log in, the chat begins showing up 
immediately.

Jen: That's what happened. I saw one person logged in, but nothing 
on-screen. I waited a bit and when nothing happened, I went back to 
the safety of the HPFGU list. ;)

Anne: 
> ~ Yahoo!mort happens -- people regularly fall off and have to 
refresh
> their screen and return.  We work around it.
> 
> ~ Everyone's very friendly, and we have a great time.  We're on 
topic
> and off, it just depends.  It's just an informal, online 
conversation.
> 
> Come and join us!

Jen: Thanks, I will!






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Oct  3 04:19:22 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 04:19:22 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince Guide
Message-ID: <cjnuka+5q5s@eGroups.com>


Fred Zimmerman of Nimble Books has bought out a guide on what we know 
so far about Book Six:

http://www.wfzimmerman.com/article.php/20040914163825756

It has some good illustrations, and even better, filks on the HBP by 
the likes of Jason LeBouef, Constance Vigilance, Gail Bohacek & 
myself.

  - CMC






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 05:41:36 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 05:41:36 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjnu41+11a7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjo3eg+nlqh@eGroups.com>



> Anne:
> > ~ Once or twice I've logged in to a blank screen (is this what
> > happened to you, Jen?) until I typed something and entered it. 
> > Normally, though, when you log in, the chat begins showing up 
> immediately.
> 
> Jen: That's what happened. I saw one person logged in, but nothing 
> on-screen. I waited a bit and when nothing happened, I went back to 
> the safety of the HPFGU list. ;)
> 
Anne again:
If there was only one other person logged in, I'm thinking you were
there shortly after the official start time, and the only person
logged in was Yolanda, who I mentioned signs in and then multitasks --
and then naturally wouldn't be chatting with herself!  :D  In my
limited experience, people start showing up about an hour after it
'officially' starts.

Hope to see you there tomorrow -- but if I'm the one who takes my
daughter to her volleyball game, I won't get there until ~4:30 Eastern.

Annemehr







From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct  3 11:19:24 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Seeking 'inexpensive' HP HB books Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: 
     Banned      books - another question
In-Reply-To: <1096725682.FCE2C11@s5.dngr.org>
References: <cj7les+ehva@eGroups.com> <cjalp7+its@eGroups.com>
    <2243.4.12.232.11.1096725418.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <1096725682.FCE2C11@s5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <1874.4.47.27.241.1096802364.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Heidi Tandy said:

> You can buy a set of the first four, in hardback, at a scholastic book
> fair, for 28$. If anyone wants one, let me know & I'll ship it to you in
> November (I'm the book fair chair at my son's school) (but I'll have to
> add on shipping & handling). Or find a local school and help support
> them by buying a set there.

Cool beans!  Thanks.  Let me check out Wal-Mart first to see if they carry
the books since I have a $20 gift certificate from a friend (Christmas
gift - so getting kinda old).

My sister gave me a Barnes&Noble certificate but they're expensive in
comparison to other places.  I was like '$100+ for five HP books?!'  I
know my sister thinks 'name-brand' stores are nice but those who know me
better are aware I like the most 'bang for the buck'.

Dina




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct  3 15:02:55 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 3 Oct 2004 15:02:55 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1096815775.96.83864.m11@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 3, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct  3 15:43:51 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:43:51 -0700
Subject: Seeking 'inexpensive' HP HB books Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:      Banned      books - another question
References: <cj7les+ehva@eGroups.com> <cjalp7+its@eGroups.com>    <2243.4.12.232.11.1096725418.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>    <1096725682.FCE2C11@s5.dngr.org> <1874.4.47.27.241.1096802364.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <038d01c4a95f$c8ad3bc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina, in case you don't find "cheap"
versions at Wal-Mart, you can also try
second hand book retailers.  My local
one always has at least one copy of
them in.

Saitaina
****
"You don't know my father," Malfoy
said. "He'd still kill me. He'd kill me
and he'd stuff me, and he'd say, 'Yes,
this is Draco. He's my only heir. He's
a bit quiet recently, I don't think he
likes living in this glass case.'"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From sally at gristiegraphics.co.uk  Sun Oct  3 19:15:20 2004
From: sally at gristiegraphics.co.uk (Sally Grist)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:15:20 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjo3eg+nlqh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjpj48+36e3@eGroups.com>


Hi, 

Complete dunderhead here...

Jen, you're doing far better than me so far. I can't seem to work 
out how to get into the chat room on Sunday evenings at all. I've 
tried logging onto Yahoo chat rooms and typing "/join HP:1" in the 
URL bar, but I just seem to end up in weird chat rooms full of 
strange people desperately trying to have sex with eachother. 

How do I find my way to HPFGU? Am I supposed to install some 
additional Yahoo software or something? I've also tried just going 
to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter and 
selecting 'chat' from the left hand menu. But then I seem to end up 
in some chat room sitting there on my own. Now this is obviously a 
different chat room to the previous one, but still isn't the right 
one. 

Help me please someone! What am I doing wrong???



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> > Anne:
> > > ~ Once or twice I've logged in to a blank screen (is this what
> > > happened to you, Jen?) until I typed something and entered it. 
> > > Normally, though, when you log in, the chat begins showing up 
> > immediately.
> > 
> > Jen: That's what happened. I saw one person logged in, but 
nothing 
> > on-screen. I waited a bit and when nothing happened, I went back 
to 
> > the safety of the HPFGU list. ;)
> > 
> Anne again:
> If there was only one other person logged in, I'm thinking you were
> there shortly after the official start time, and the only person
> logged in was Yolanda, who I mentioned signs in and then 
multitasks --
> and then naturally wouldn't be chatting with herself!  :D  In my
> limited experience, people start showing up about an hour after it
> 'officially' starts.
> 
> Hope to see you there tomorrow -- but if I'm the one who takes my
> daughter to her volleyball game, I won't get there until ~4:30 
Eastern.
> 
> Annemehr






From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Sun Oct  3 21:31:07 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:31:07 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjpj48+36e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjpr2r+v012@eGroups.com>


Sally wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Complete dunderhead here...
> 
> Jen, you're doing far better than me so far. I can't seem to work 
> out how to get into the chat room on Sunday evenings at all. I've 
> tried logging onto Yahoo chat rooms and typing "/join HP:1" in the 
> URL bar, but I just seem to end up in weird chat rooms full of 
> strange people desperately trying to have sex with eachother. >>>

LOL, yeah, lots of *those* rooms to watch out for. *g*  Okay, rather 
than type /join HP:1 in the URL, type it into the little text box you 
use to send your comments when chatting, then click the 'enter' 
button.  (It's as though you're telling the chatroom you're in "/join 
HP:1", just without the quotes.)

You can get there from any Yahoo chat room by typing that command, 
btw.  Sally, if you're still there, feel free to buzz me on YM 
(kelleyscorpio) and I'll help you get in.

--Kelley 







From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 22:18:02 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:18:02 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Michele!
Message-ID: <cjptqq+7eaj@eGroups.com>


Ah, such a nice Sunday, don't you all agree?  And such a nice time to 
have a birthday...

Today's honoree is Michele, who can be reached for birthday greetings 
at michel56 at earthlink.net.  Be sure and wish Michele a happy birthday-
-everyone loves getting something nice like that in the mail. :D

And...does anyone want a kazoo?  Hey, is there anyone who can play 
the birthday song on one of these? *blows on one ineffectually* Well, 
if there is, it's certainly not me... But maybe I can pipe another 
tune! Especially as I've got decorations to put up... *brings out 
flute and toots streamers and balloons into place* *grins*

Anyone else hungry for some cake, after that cacophony?  Well you're 
in luck -- give me a minute and I'll go get it! *pops out, and pops 
back in with a cake following* There's lots of good frosting...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MICHELE!

--Rynny the birthday elf  






From kethryn at wulfkub.com  Sun Oct  3 23:17:03 2004
From: kethryn at wulfkub.com (Amanda)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:17:03 -0000
Subject: Abuse and Context
Message-ID: <cjq19f+q278@eGroups.com>



Kethryn -

I was originally going to post this over on the main group forum but 
didn't due to the lack of canon involved in the question (although I 
certainly think the answers will shed some light on a couple of 
ongoing arguements over in the other forum).  So, new poster to this 
forum, here goes...
 
I have a couple of questions about context here because I think that 
I for one have some different ideas about what is actually considered 
abusive behavoir in terms of a teacher and a student.  Just so you 
all know where I am coming from, I am a 28 year old college student 
who grew up in America's deep south (ie. Georgia).  Back when I was 
in elementary and middle school, the rules were way different than 
they are now and those rules were totally acceptable.  Children were 
allowed, under certain circumstances, to be paddled.  Is that abuse?  
I didn't think so then and I don't think so now.  There are some 
people in this world that won't get it unless it is applied with 
physical force.  Teachers were allowed to rule their classrooms as 
they would, the only exception to that was that teachers were not 
allowed to pick solely on one person.  That basically meant that when 
one person got into trouble, everyone got into trouble, which is 
grosly unfair.
 
So, my question is actually directed at the British people on the 
boards.  What is the current (and even during JKR's time at school) 
acceptable punnishments for school children?  If Snape came to your 
school and did this to you, would there be recriminations on Snape 
(nowadays, there would be here in the US...back when I was in school, 
there would not have been)?  I have heard stories from friends who 
either went to Eton, for example, or had been friends with people who 
went there and, from those stories, I can tell you that their 
schooling experience was vastly different from mine in certain ways.  
Just like we have all heard the stories coming from Catholic schools 
about beatings and monstrous beratings from the nuns, I have heard 
the same coming from private schools (in the US and otherwise) and I 
think we can all consider Hogwarts to be the most private of private 
schools.
 
So, when you boil it down, are the British schools less liberal than 
American schools?  Do they hold to the older standards of behavoir?  
Is what they consider to be abusive behavoir to be the same as what 
we hold true here in America?  
 
Kethryn
 
PS.  Please note, also, that I am not saying either way is better, I 
withhold judgement on that on the basis that I do not have kids and I 
know better than to think my own rotten experiences in school are in 
any way large enough a data sample to form a hypothesis.  Of course, 
I was bullied mostly by other students but there was one or two 
rather memorable teachers that were bullies and thugs as well, namely 
my Chemistry teacher and my World Government teacher, both were in 
High School.









From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Oct  4 08:46:23 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:46:23 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Abuse and Context
In-Reply-To: <cjq19f+q278@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <41619A7F.28808.421424@localhost>

On 3 Oct 2004 at 23:17, Amanda wrote:

> I have a couple of questions about context here because I think that 
> I for one have some different ideas about what is actually considered 
> abusive behavoir in terms of a teacher and a student.  Just so you 
> all know where I am coming from, I am a 28 year old college student 
> who grew up in America's deep south (ie. Georgia).  Back when I was 
> in elementary and middle school, the rules were way different than 
> they are now and those rules were totally acceptable.  Children were 
> allowed, under certain circumstances, to be paddled.  Is that abuse?  
> I didn't think so then and I don't think so now.  There are some 
> people in this world that won't get it unless it is applied with 
> physical force.  Teachers were allowed to rule their classrooms as 
> they would, the only exception to that was that teachers were not 
> allowed to pick solely on one person.  That basically meant that when 
> one person got into trouble, everyone got into trouble, which is 
> grosly unfair.

Well, before I reply, I'll just put my views on record so people 
know where I am coming from.

Personally, I'm in favour of the existence of controlled corporal 
punishment as an option in schools. I experienced schools there was 
no physical punishment and I suffered immensely in those 
environments, being the victim of quite serious abuse at the hands 
of other students whoe were not effectively controlled in any way. 
I also experienced schooling in an environment (one of the rares 
ones in my country by that stage) where corporal punishment was 
used, and it served to protect me from bullies, and also had a 
profoundly positive effect on my own behaviour.

> So, my question is actually directed at the British people on the 
> boards.  What is the current (and even during JKR's time at school) 
> acceptable punnishments for school children?  If Snape came to your 
> school and did this to you, would there be recriminations on Snape 
> (nowadays, there would be here in the US...back when I was in school, 
> there would not have been)?  I have heard stories from friends who 
> either went to Eton, for example, or had been friends with people who 
> went there and, from those stories, I can tell you that their 
> schooling experience was vastly different from mine in certain ways.  
> Just like we have all heard the stories coming from Catholic schools 
> about beatings and monstrous beratings from the nuns, I have heard 
> the same coming from private schools (in the US and otherwise) and I 
> think we can all consider Hogwarts to be the most private of private 
> schools.

I am not British - but I did attend an Australian school founded on 
very British traditions (please, people, I don't want to get into 
another argument about this - especially seeing as the recent one 
on another list, seems to have stalled with me having provided 
extensive evidence for my claims - while the person who challenged 
me has not responded (I believe with very good reason - he has much 
more important things going on in his life than responding to me, 
but that discussion has left me feeling rather irritable about the 
whole issue).

What I have done is, for a variety of reasons, made a fairly 
detailed study of how Hogwarts fits into a particular grouping of 
British schools - the British Public Schools. My essay on this 
(with references linked so people can check the references) can be 
found at: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HSWW.html

With the questions you are asking, I venture to suggest you may 
find it interesting - and incidentally the last section of the 
essay was on punishment.

But just to a few things in a historical context here.

The Harry Potter books appear to be set in the period 1991-1996 (so 
far).

Corporal punishment, generally administered with a cane or strap on 
the palm of the hand or across the buttocks was legal in virtually 
all British schools until 1986. Not all schools used it by any 
means, and some Local Education Authorities had banned it in their 
schools - but it was still in common use until that date.

It remained legal in private schools until 1998, and at the time of 
abolition, there were reportedly around 200 schools still using the 
cane.

So at the period that we see Hogwarts shown, corporal punishment is 
still legal in Muggle schools.

It was also certainly legal in JKRs time at school, and a biography 
of her I have read, mentions that it was in use at at least one of 
the schools she attended.
  
> So, when you boil it down, are the British schools less liberal than 
> American schools?  Do they hold to the older standards of behavoir?  
> Is what they consider to be abusive behavoir to be the same as what 
> we hold true here in America?  

While I'm not particularly able to get into a particularly informed 
discussion about schools *in general* in the UK and the US, I think 
it's reasonable to say that at the type of school that Hogwarts 
seems to be in Britain, they are certainly likely to hold to older 
ideas and standards of behaviour, and that they probably take a 
fairly traditional approach to deciding what is abusive and what 
isn't.

Personally, as someone who attended a school in the same type of 
tradition, I think JKR used in designing Hogwarts, in the late 
1980s and early 1990s, I can say my school had some rather old 
fashioned ideas in this regard. I did have Snape-like teachers as 
I've said before, and they were entirely tolerated, and indeed 
viewed by many as a significant asset to the school. But that 
wasn't a universal viewpoint by any means (and while my teachers 
were Snape-like, I do think Snape's specific treatment of Harry 
really crosses a line).


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 17:06:09 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:06:09 -0000
Subject: News by e-mail on specific actors?
In-Reply-To: <cjjic3+1pbf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjrvu1+vd53@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "gracchietto"
<chiara.fantoni at c...> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> I seem to remember a few months ago someone posted something about a 
> news service by mail which can be tuned to specific names.
> 
> Every time something comes out about a chosen person(s) a link is 
> posted to the article, or something the like.
> 
> Have I been dreaming?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Chiara

bboyminn:

I think most news services will do this. For example, I searched
GOOGLE (Google NEWS) for 'Daniel Radcliffe' and at the bottom of the
page was a link that said...

 New! Get the latest news on Daniel radcliffe with Google News Alerts.

I'm sure Yahoo and most other news services have the same feature.

Hope that helps.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)







From lawtrainer at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 17:28:41 2004
From: lawtrainer at yahoo.com (Jana Fisher)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:28:41 -0000
Subject: Update on JKR Site
Message-ID: <cjs189+v1ok@eGroups.com>



First, Happy Birthday to Professor McGonagall, whose birthday is 
today!  Second, she answers the FAQ Poll - Remember My Last.  
Nothing we couldn't have already figured out, but her note might 
begin more speculation.

LT









From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 20:11:18 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:11:18 EDT
Subject: jaffa
Message-ID: <9e.1617a99f.2e930866@aol.com>

I found jaffa cakes!!!  Then I managed to inhale the entire contents of the 
box by myself in one sitting.  :)  They are delicious, but I'll be paying the 
price all week at the gym now.  MAJOR carbs!  :)  But yummy.

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 20:10:58 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:10:58 -0000
Subject: Abuse and Context
In-Reply-To: <41619A7F.28808.421424@localhost>
Message-ID: <cjsaoi+haig@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2004 at 23:17, Amanda wrote:


> 
> > So, my question is actually directed at the British people on the 
> > boards.  What is the current (and even during JKR's time at 
school) 
> > acceptable punnishments for school children? 

At present there is no corporal punishment in state run schools.  My 
son is nearly 15 and has never had it in his school life (1994 - 
present)
I, however, am older than him and just slightly younger than JKR.  
When I was at primary school (elementary aged 5 - 11) in 1977 - 1983 
we DID have corporal punishment.  Our headmaster had a leather 
slipper in his office (not sure if he ever actually used it - stuff 
of legends and all that), but I had a wooden ruler over my knuckles 
several times aged 8 with one particular teacher (who was old-
fashioned and actually taught my mum too).
At high school aged 11 to 16 (1983-1988) we did not have corporal 
punishment, just detention, although one Maths teacher did like to 
throw the blackboard rubber at us when we were being "primadonnas" 
(An all girls school so we were quite prone to that!!)
Sarah xx






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 22:13:27 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:13:27 EDT
Subject: www.jkrowling.com
Message-ID: <11.3533b906.2e932507@aol.com>

Jo Rowling has lots of new info at her website.  Check out the trash bin for 
"rumor control" and click on the paper clips/faq section for loads of answered 
questions .... AND, she FINALLY answered the poll question!!  My mind is 
a-buzz about Aunt Petunia!  Anxious to hear your theories on THIS new information!

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 23:15:37 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:15:37 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjpj48+36e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjslip+mf88@eGroups.com>


"Sally Grist" wrote:
<snip>
> How do I find my way to HPFGU? Am I supposed to install some 
> additional Yahoo software or something? I've also tried just going 
> to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter and 
> selecting 'chat' from the left hand menu. But then I seem to end up 
> in some chat room sitting there on my own. Now this is obviously a 
> different chat room to the previous one, but still isn't the right 
> one. 
> 
> Help me please someone! What am I doing wrong???
> 
Carol responds:
Hi. As I've already indicated, I'm not exactly an expert on chat, but
maybe I can offer a bit of help. It looks to me as if you generally
post from your e-mail. Try actually going to the site. If you're a
member of HPfGU, the main group, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpforgrownups/
If not, go to the main page of this site:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/

Either way, the next step is to click on the Chat link in the
left-hand column. I went there just now to test the system, which told
me that I'm *already* in g.HPFGU-OT Chatter:1. (No one else is there,
of course, and I'll have to log out or exit.)

But anyway, you should be able to find the home page of both groups by
clicking on these links.

Carol, who always posts and reads messages from the site because her
e-mail would be wholly unmanageable if she didn't







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 23:41:04 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:41:04 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjslip+mf88@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjsn2g+9ilm@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> "Sally Grist" wrote:
> <snip>
> > How do I find my way to HPFGU? Am I supposed to install some 
> > additional Yahoo software or something? I've also tried just going 
> > to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter and 
> > selecting 'chat' from the left hand menu. But then I seem to end up 
> > in some chat room sitting there on my own. Now this is obviously a 
> > different chat room to the previous one, but still isn't the right 
> > one. 
> > 
> > Help me please someone! What am I doing wrong???
> > 
> Carol responds:
> Hi. As I've already indicated, I'm not exactly an expert on chat, but
> maybe I can offer a bit of help. It looks to me as if you generally
> post from your e-mail. Try actually going to the site. If you're a
> member of HPfGU, the main group, go to
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpforgrownups/
> If not, go to the main page of this site:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/
> 
> Either way, the next step is to click on the Chat link in the
> left-hand column. I went there just now to test the system, which told
> me that I'm *already* in g.HPFGU-OT Chatter:1. (No one else is there,
> of course, and I'll have to log out or exit.)
> 
> But anyway, you should be able to find the home page of both groups by
> clicking on these links.
> 
> Carol, who always posts and reads messages from the site because her
> e-mail would be wholly unmanageable if she didn't

Actually, that gets you halfway there. You still have to type:

/join HP:1

into the text box and hit <enter>.  The reason for this, I suppose, is
because there are many HPfGU groups: main, movie, OT, announcements,
etc., and each one puts you into its own individual chat room when you
click on the Chat link. So HP:1 puts everyone together.

As long as you get into *any* Yahoo chat room whatever, you can type
/join HP:1 into the text box, hit <enter>, and it will take you to our
chat.

Annemehr







From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Oct  5 02:35:31 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:35:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: TMI: Hello Kitty fem. pads + wrong chicken choked
Message-ID: <2283.4.12.232.31.1096943731.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Too Much Information post ahead.



A wee bit of warning space.



Just when you thought PMS is too special not to be shared...

Hello Kitty sanitary pads by Kotex:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31822&item=5520841882

Hm, here pussy, indeed.

I'm not sure whether to be amused or not if Kotex ever does an HP line of
pads with little snitches on them... a snitch for your snatch.

It could be worse (from the folks at Reuters):
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=1&u=/nm/20041004/od_nm/penis_dc
Man Mistakenly Cuts Off Penis, Dog Eats It
[[
BUCHAREST (Reuters) - A elderly Romanian man mistook his penis for a
chicken's neck, cut it off and his dog rushed up and ate it, the state
Rompres news agency said Monday.
]]


Dina




From jmoses22002 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  5 16:01:41 2004
From: jmoses22002 at yahoo.com (jmoses22002)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:01:41 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com
Message-ID: <cjugh5+4jkj@eGroups.com>

 Next to the rubbish bin, on jkrowling.com, there is a piece of paper 
in which you can make out the words,

            Harry.....
            a large...
            is dead...
            my fath...
            swallow...
            there.....

    Does anyone know what this might be in reference to?







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  5 17:08:45 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:08:45 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <cjugh5+4jkj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjuket+hdh9@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jmoses22002"
<jmoses22002 at y...> wrote:
>  Next to the rubbish bin, on jkrowling.com, there is a piece of paper 
> in which you can make out the words,
> 
>             Harry.....
>             a large...
>             is dead...
>             my fath...
>             swallow...
>             there.....
> 
>     Does anyone know what this might be in reference to?

There's also the word "nothing."

I think it may be an early version of part of "Hermione's Secret,"
chapter 21 of PoA. It's the part after Harry and Hermione have taken
Buckbeak into the Forest and they've seen themselves go down into the
Whomping Willow.  Hermione asks Harry why the Dementors didn't get
Sirius, and Harry explains about the large silver something Patronus
and how he thought he'd seen his Dad.  If you read that passage (about
a page worth of text), almost all those words are there, though not
quite in that order.  Mostly Harry says "dad," but eventually he does
say "father."  The only word that doesn't seem to match at all is
"nothing," but at one point it says "Harry didn't say anything," which
*might* once have been "Harry said nothing," right?

The passage doesn't seem to come close to anything else in any of the
other books.  There was a discussion in The Leaky Cauldron I'm
remembering this from, and people were searching their copies.

Since it's in the rubbish section, and it's very similar to that PoA
passage, I figure it's meant to be a thrown-away earlier draft of it.
 So, it probably doesn't mean anything -- it's just rubbish!

Annemehr







From wfz at wfzimmerman.com  Tue Oct  5 17:12:20 2004
From: wfz at wfzimmerman.com (W. F.  Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:12:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <cjuket+hdh9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.66.1576049070.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>


I thought about including this in my UNOFFICIAL HALF-BLOOD PRINCE UPDATE
http://www.wfzimmerman.com/portal.php?what=link
<http://www.wfzimmerman.com/portal.php?what=link&item=20040926161003721>
&item=20040926161003721 but the fact that this slip of paper is next to the
"Rubbish" bin gives me pause.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jmoses22002"
<jmoses22002 at y...> wrote:
>  Next to the rubbish bin, on jkrowling.com, there is a piece of paper 
> in which you can make out the words,
> 
>             Harry.....
>             a large...
>             is dead...
>             my fath...
>             swallow...
>             there.....
> 
>     Does anyone know what this might be in reference to?

There's also the word "nothing."

I think it may be an early version of part of "Hermione's Secret,"
chapter 21 of PoA. It's the part after Harry and Hermione have taken
Buckbeak into the Forest and they've seen themselves go down into the
Whomping Willow.  Hermione asks Harry why the Dementors didn't get
Sirius, and Harry explains about the large silver something Patronus
and how he thought he'd seen his Dad.  If you read that passage (about
a page worth of text), almost all those words are there, though not
quite in that order.  Mostly Harry says "dad," but eventually he does
say "father."  The only word that doesn't seem to match at all is
"nothing," but at one point it says "Harry didn't say anything," which
*might* once have been "Harry said nothing," right?

The passage doesn't seem to come close to anything else in any of the
other books.  There was a discussion in The Leaky Cauldron I'm
remembering this from, and people were searching their copies.

Since it's in the rubbish section, and it's very similar to that PoA
passage, I figure it's meant to be a thrown-away earlier draft of it.
So, it probably doesn't mean anything -- it's just rubbish!

Annemehr








From alina at distantplace.net  Tue Oct  5 21:50:45 2004
From: alina at distantplace.net (alina at distantplace.net)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:50:45 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com : mystery room
Message-ID: <cjv4vl+10ekt@eGroups.com>


I just wanted to share. If you click on the cup that brings you to 
extras, right before the note pad drops down, you see a chart of the 
last version of room behind the do not disturb door. Apparently JKR 
calls it The Room Of Requirement. Well, I suppose it is, isn't it? 
Anyway, the words are almost impossible to make out, but I took a 
screenshot and enlarged it in my graphics program. 

Alina.






From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Oct  6 00:36:01 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:36:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: And more food tales Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] jaffa
In-Reply-To: <9e.1617a99f.2e930866@aol.com>
References: <9e.1617a99f.2e930866@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1449.4.47.27.245.1097022961.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

LunaLovesHarry at aol.com said:

> I found jaffa cakes!!!

I wasn't sure what a jaffa cake was, so I researched it.  Still don't
think I've seen them.

What did surprise me when I recently visited an Oriental market was
finding Marmite (http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/marmite.htm ).  I've heard
UK folk talk about it.  I was tempted to buy a jar but wasn't quite sure. 
Heck, I've never tried Nutella either.  When you're 'income-challenged',
you're a bit more reluctant to experiment with food for worry of 'throwing
away money'.

Also, I was raised by a Japanese mom, so missed out on some US dishes like
the concept of 'breakfast biscuits and gravy'.  First time I had them was
last year or year before last at work.  Not being a morning person
(understatement), I poured coffee on my biscuit by accident, thinking
gravy = brown liquid. {snort}  With brain in slo-mo, it took me a couple
seconds to realize the 'gravy' was too liquid.  On top of that, it was
another person's coffee.

Ah well, I ate it since I needed the caffeine, and I didn't want to trash
what *was* a good biscuit before it met me.  For the record, I would not
recommend the mixture.

Dina




From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 02:26:32 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:26:32 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Kristen!
Message-ID: <cjvl4o+1o1j@eGroups.com>


*sighs happily* Ahhh, don't you just love it when there's a birthday 
to celebrate?  I know I do!  Birthdays are such happy things...*grins 
widely*

Today's honoree is Kristen!  Owl Kristen birthday greetings at 
kristen_tort at hotmail.com, because you know, everyone loves getting 
something good on their birthday. *g*

Now, who wants some music?  Music is always the perfect thing to get 
a party started!  It's too late to bring in the band, but there's 
always you lovel, you listies, right?  Some of you can play 
instruments? *crickets chirp* All right, all right! *snaps fingers, 
and music starts playing, whatever Kristen likes best* And of course, 
no party is complete without streamers and balloons...

And we definitely must not forget the cake!  And ice cream.  Be right 
back! *pops out, and pops back in with cake and a couple quarts of 
ice cream floating behind* Eat up, everyone!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KRISTEN!

--Rynny the birthday elf  






From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 03:05:23 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:05:23 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <1449.4.47.27.245.1097022961.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cjvndj+j868@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <redina at s...> 
wrote:
 
> What did surprise me when I recently visited an Oriental market was
> finding Marmite (http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/marmite.htm ).  
I've heard
> UK folk talk about it.  I was tempted to buy a jar but wasn't 
quite sure. 
> Heck, I've never tried Nutella either.  When you're 'income-
challenged',
> you're a bit more reluctant to experiment with food for worry 
of 'throwing
> away money'.

Hey, I hear you there about throwing money away.  Nutella looks 
good, though.  I've never tried that or Marmite.  Is Marmite 
something like that vegemite stuff they eat in Australia?  They both 
sound gross, but I would like to try them.  We have a British food 
emporium about 20 minutes away from me, and it's been too long since 
I've been there.  Any recommendations from the Brits about English 
treats/snacks I could try sometime?  I ADORE clotted cream - I could 
eat that on anything.  And I love British chocolate!!!  OoooooOOo


 
> Also, I was raised by a Japanese mom, so missed out on some US 
dishes like
> the concept of 'breakfast biscuits and gravy'.  First time I had 
them was
> last year or year before last at work.  

I'm a Southern girl, but I stay away from the biscuits and gravy!! 
*LOL*  Have to  watch that weight. Have you ever had grits?  I think 
you either love or hate those, and I like those.  But, then, I have 
to stay away from those, too! :P  They are excellent with bits of 
bacon crumbled up in them....


Also, what sort of beans is it that the British eat on their toast?  
Am I right in thinking I have heard of "beans on toast"  before?

Alora :)






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Wed Oct  6 15:43:18 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:43:18 EDT
Subject: jk rowling mystery room - Alina
Message-ID: <25.4fc1b59e.2e956c96@aol.com>

Hi Alina,
I did a screen shot of that page before it fully loaded too and cannot read 
anything.  If you can make anything out of it I'd love to know what it says.  
Luna


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From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Oct  6 20:14:49 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:14:49 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <cjvndj+j868@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck1jnp+f0u9@eGroups.com>



> Also, what sort of beans is it that the British eat on their 
toast?  
> Am I right in thinking I have heard of "beans on toast"  before?
> 
> Alora :)

we have baked haricot beans in tomato sauce.  its delicious on hot 
buttered toast - a good, cheap, wholesome meal.  It is a staple of 
the english diet, loved by children, students and ordinary folk alike
sarah xx






From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Oct  6 20:19:04 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:19:04 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <cjvndj+j868@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck1jvo+lnhr@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chrisnlorrie" 
<chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> 
>  Nutella looks 
> good, though.  I've never tried that or Marmite.  Is Marmite 
> something like that vegemite stuff they eat in Australia?  They 
both 
> sound gross, but I would like to try them.  We have a British food 
> emporium about 20 minutes away from me, and it's been too long 
since 
> I've been there.  Any recommendations from the Brits about English 
> treats/snacks I could try sometime?  I ADORE clotted cream - I 
could 
> eat that on anything.  And I love British chocolate!!!  OoooooOOo
> 
> 
>  
>marmite is like vegemite (both disgusting), Nutella is good - 
another favourite on toast because it melts nicely into thick crusty 
bread...mmm...
A proper cream tea is delicious, a fruit scone, jam and clotted 
cream - you can put on 5lbs just by looking at it!!
Oh, what else - can you tell food is one of my very favourite topics?
Sarah xx






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 20:25:09 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:25:09 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
Message-ID: <ck1kb5+2hrq@eGroups.com>


JKR mentions under the FAQs Colin Creevy post that she read through 
20 chapters at a sitting before doing the FAQs. Does this mean she 
has written 20 chapters??? If I remember the books run from about 17 
chapters to about 37. Sounds like she may be nearing completion 
unless this book is going to be huge in which case I figure she 
still has a way to go.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 20:33:23 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:33:23 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck1jnp+f0u9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck1kqj+4mam@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:
 
> we have baked haricot beans in tomato sauce.  its delicious on hot 
> buttered toast - a good, cheap, wholesome meal.  It is a staple of 
> the english diet, loved by children, students and ordinary folk 
alike
> sarah xx

Sarah,

do those types of beans come in cans?  I might check that British 
Emporium tomorrow and see if they have any.  I've got a doctor's 
appt. right down the street from it, so it's a great excuse to go! 
*L*  

I just might have to pick me up some lemon curd, too.  MmMmmMm 
And some of those digestive cookies (McVitie's, I think) with the 
little bit of chocolate on them.....I'm salivating right now. 

Alora ;)







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 20:34:01 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:34:01 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck1kb5+2hrq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck1krp+8gpc@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000"
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> JKR mentions under the FAQs Colin Creevy post that she read through 
> 20 chapters at a sitting before doing the FAQs. Does this mean she 
> has written 20 chapters??? If I remember the books run from about 17 
> chapters to about 37. Sounds like she may be nearing completion 
> unless this book is going to be huge in which case I figure she 
> still has a way to go.
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

TECHNICALLY she never even said twenty chapters of what... could it
have been just some new book she bought? >:)

And, sadly, it used to say she *proofread* twenty chapters, which
sounded like she was basically done and nearly ready to send it to
Bloomsbury.  I think she saw some of the excitement about that online
and changed it.  *sniff*

I'm thinking she has written twenty chapters, but she's probably still
in an early draft.  I'm still pulling for summer '05...

Annemehr







From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  7 13:50:12 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:50:12 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck1jvo+lnhr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3hik+kb4f@eGroups.com>


> >marmite is like vegemite (both disgusting), Nutella is good - 
> another favourite on toast because it melts nicely into thick 
crusty 
> bread...mmm...
> A proper cream tea is delicious, a fruit scone, jam and clotted 
> cream - you can put on 5lbs just by looking at it!!
> Oh, what else - can you tell food is one of my very favourite 
topics?
> Sarah xx

Alice:
I must defend Marmite. It has a rich, salty flavour and is best 
spread very thinly on toast with butter and cheese. Basically it's 
the best thing that happens during the making of beer. Better than 
beer itself.
Love, Alice
(from a wine-producing country...)






From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  7 13:56:52 2004
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:56:52 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck1kqj+4mam@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3hv4+pg5a@eGroups.com>


Alora:
> do those types of beans come in cans?  I might check that British 
> Emporium tomorrow and see if they have any.  I've got a doctor's 
> appt. right down the street from it, so it's a great excuse to go! 
> *L*  
> 
> I just might have to pick me up some lemon curd, too.  MmMmmMm 
> And some of those digestive cookies (McVitie's, I think) with the 
> little bit of chocolate on them.....I'm salivating right now. 


The beans do come in cans.

As for Marmite, it's one of those things you love or hate. In fact 
that was the theme of their most recent advertising campaign. It's 
intensely savoury, salty and malty (it's yeast extract) and needs to 
be spread *extremely* thinly. It's lovely on hot buttered wholemeal 
or granary bread toast (that's malted bread with whole grains in it).

Is Nutella British? I had no idea. I always assumed it was imported 
from somwhere, at least originally.

Be careful what kind of lemon curd you buy. The best sort is a pale 
yellow and needs to be refrigerated after opening. The type I was 
brought up on was luminous yellow and very sickly! The very best is 
home made. It's much easier than making jam as long as you don't let 
the eggs curdle (none of that long boiling and getting to the right 
temperature) and you can find recipes on the net:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/features/2004/01/lemon.shtml

This recipe is apparently now a big hit in Russia: there's a link to 
a Russian lemon curd discussion board!

~Eloise






From hypercolor99 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  7 14:38:43 2004
From: hypercolor99 at hotmail.com (alice_loves_cats)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:38:43 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck3hv4+pg5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3kdj+2oj1@eGroups.com>


http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/features/2004/01/lemon.shtm
l
> 
> This recipe is apparently now a big hit in Russia: there's a link 
to 
> a Russian lemon curd discussion board!
> 
> ~Eloise


Alice:
In my college in Hungary we have a Lemon Curd Party once every year, 
but that's a tribute to England... the stuff is unknown here 
(Hungary), and can only be bought in big multinational companies' 
stores, like Tesco's. 

Thank God for Yorkshire puddings... just an extra thought.
Love, Alice






From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  7 14:41:17 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:41:17 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck1krp+8gpc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3kid+543s@eGroups.com>


Annemehr:
> TECHNICALLY she never even said twenty chapters of what... could it
> have been just some new book she bought? >:)
> 
> And, sadly, it used to say she *proofread* twenty chapters, which
> sounded like she was basically done and nearly ready to send it to
> Bloomsbury.  I think she saw some of the excitement about that 
online
> and changed it.  *sniff*
> 
> I'm thinking she has written twenty chapters, but she's probably 
still
> in an early draft.  I'm still pulling for summer '05...


I was pulling for Summer 2005, but now there's the pregnancy issue. 
When's JKR due--is it Spring 2005? I hate to push my prediction back 
to Summer 2006, but it seems a possibility. I can't see her breaking 
the pattern of Summer releases unless the publisher presses it for 
it. And I doubt they would, the longer the better from their 
perspective right? Only if they sensed a lagging interest in the 
series, which seems unlikely (although I'm obviously biased since HP 
is my #1 hobby <g>).

Jen Reese






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 15:21:07 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:21:07 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck3kid+543s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3mt3+it4s@eGroups.com>


Jen:
> I was pulling for Summer 2005, but now there's the pregnancy issue. 
> When's JKR due--is it Spring 2005?

Annemehr:
I'm not sure when she's due...are there any pics of her anywhere taken
since she made her announcement? :) But if she *is* due in the Spring,
no problem. For a summer release, the publishers would need to have
the manuscript in hand by no later than February or so, wouldn't they?
 Or December even?  This winter, anyway.  I still think she could do it.

Annemehr
who sympathises with Jen re JKR.com







From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Oct  7 15:30:59 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:30:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: And email 'wrangling' Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck3hv4+pg5a@eGroups.com>
References: <ck1kqj+4mam@eGroups.com> <ck3hv4+pg5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1662.4.47.27.217.1097163059.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

eloise_herisson said:

> Is Nutella British? I had no idea. I always assumed it was imported
> from somwhere, at least originally.

A bit of 'my bad' in using both Marmite and Nutella as examples.  I knew
Nutella was originally European.  Italy.


> Be careful what kind of lemon curd you buy. The best sort is a pale
> yellow and needs to be refrigerated after opening. The type I was
> brought up on was luminous yellow and very sickly! The very best is
> home made. It's much easier than making jam as long as you don't let
> the eggs curdle (none of that long boiling and getting to the right
> temperature) and you can find recipes on the net:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/features/2004/01/lemon.shtml

Hm, never had this either.  Not trimming this as much because I want to
keep this tidbit for future reference.

Oh. {does happy bounce} I've managed to download 5,000+ emails with 6,000
more to go--I had to sort out HPFGU's main list copies--and an additional
6,000 that needs checking before hitting permanent delete.  I'll feel
better when I've got this email mess somewhat under control because I'm
discovering email I didn't even know was in this account... and some of it
was surprisingly good news.  For the past two months, I haven't been able
to properly download emails.

Dina




From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 15:52:31 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:52:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <1097146634.818.55076.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041007155231.80390.qmail@web51708.mail.yahoo.com>

 Nutella is delicious! It's a creamy
chocolate-hazlenut spread, wonderful on toast.

Have not tried Marmite, but do believe it's similar to
Vegemite, which I have tried. Vegemite was one of the
most horrid, disgusting things I have ever had in my
mouth, and that's saying something!

I'm not British, but the British food I recommend is
McVitties biscuits, Alpen cereal, good British tea,
and bangers & mash. Yummy!

__________________________

Hey, I hear you there about throwing money away. 
Nutella looks 
good, though.  I've never tried that or Marmite.  Is
Marmite 
something like that vegemite stuff they eat in
Australia?  They both 
sound gross, but I would like to try them.  We have a
British food 
emporium about 20 minutes away from me, and it's been
too long since 
I've been there.  Any recommendations from the Brits
about English 
treats/snacks I could try sometime?  I ADORE clotted
cream - I could 
eat that on anything.  And I love British chocolate!!!
 OoooooOOo

__________________________________________________
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct  7 16:40:21 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:40:21 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck1kqj+4mam@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3rhl+b32h@eGroups.com>


Alora wrote, concering beans on toast:
> 
> do those types of beans come in cans?  I might check that British 
> Emporium tomorrow and see if they have any.  I've got a doctor's 
> appt. right down the street from it, so it's a great excuse to go! 

Surely this type of beans is an American recipe?  As in, Heinz Meanz 
Beanz, and cowboys round the campfire with a pan, and so on.  Don't 
you call them baked beans like we do?

It may be a British thing to put them on toast, in line with our 
general tradition that the best meal is a carbohydrate with 
carbohydrate, served with a carbohydrate side-salad.

David, who was served spaghetti with pizza and chips (fries) in his 
early days in London








From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  7 16:43:27 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:43:27 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck3mt3+it4s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3rnf+ncak@eGroups.com>


> Annemehr:
> I'm not sure when she's due...are there any pics of her anywhere 
taken
> since she made her announcement? :) But if she *is* due in the 
Spring,
> no problem. For a summer release, the publishers would need to have
> the manuscript in hand by no later than February or so, wouldn't 
they?
>  Or December even?  This winter, anyway.  I still think she could 
do it.

Jen: There are pics on CBBC at the Edinburgh reading in August where 
JKR appears to have a maternity blouse on, but she has a book in 
front of her stomach so it's hard to tell. She does look to 
be 'filling out' as they say, maybe 4 mos along?  That would fit 
with her announcement in July, probably after the first trimester to 
be safe. Here's the link to the main CBBC site, then you have to 
click on Harry Potter and then Full New Archives to get there:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/default.stm

So, that means a due date as early as Jan. or Feb. I don't know--
could be cutting it close. I don't begrudge her time with her kids, 
though. She's always talking about how important being a mom is, so 
more power to her!! I can wait until Summer 2006. Even though that 
will take a lot of patience. :(

> Annemehr
> who sympathises with Jen re JKR.com

Jen, remembering how spacey she was during her own pregnancy and 
wondering if JKR should lay off the updates for awhile? 






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 23:01:52 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:01:52 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck3rhl+b32h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck4ht0+109ue@eGroups.com>


David wrote:

> Surely this type of beans is an American recipe? As in, Heinz Meanz
> Beanz, and cowboys round the campfire with a pan, and so on. Don't
> you call them baked beans like we do?


They're not the same baked beans.  They may be similar, but Heinz has
different recipes in the various countries where they do business.

I know all about Heinz. They started here in Pittsburgh, and my father
in law worked for them for nearly 50 years. Now everybody go eat some
ketchup.

Annemehr
who once knew a British boy who only ate beans on toast, and an
American girl who only ate peanut butter






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 23:22:37 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:22:37 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck3rnf+ncak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck4j3t+i4aq@eGroups.com>


Jen:
> So, that means a due date as early as Jan. or Feb. I don't know--
> could be cutting it close. I don't begrudge her time with her kids, 
> though. She's always talking about how important being a mom is, so 
> more power to her!! I can wait until Summer 2006. Even though that 
> will take a lot of patience. :(

Annemehr:
She still looks quite slim in that pic, though -- and you do blow up a
lot quicker on the third pregnancy (or was it just me?).  So all she
has to do is follow my simple schedule: hand the book in in early
January, put her feet up, and have a baby in February!  :D


> Jen, remembering how spacey she was during her own pregnancy and 
> wondering if JKR should lay off the updates for awhile?

We just need to find the best way to have fun with it.  Anything she
writes in the wee hours is the baby talking!

Annemehr







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 23:59:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:59:48 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck1kb5+2hrq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck4l9k+bg04@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000"
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> JKR mentions under the FAQs Colin Creevy post that she read through 
> 20 chapters at a sitting before doing the FAQs. Does this mean she 
> has written 20 chapters??? If I remember the books run from about 17 
> chapters to about 37. Sounds like she may be nearing completion 
> unless this book is going to be huge in which case I figure she 
> still has a way to go.
> 
> Dudemom_2000

Carol responds:
As I said in detail on the main list, there's a lot more to publishing
a book than just producing a manuscript, especially if it's a first
draft that needs to be revised. (She may just be checking for flints
and inconsistencies at this point, an initial read-through before she
revises.) And after she submits the manuscript, there's still the
substantive editing, the copyediting, additional corrections made by
the author based on the editing, setting the edited manuscript in
type, proofreading by both the author and a professional proofreader,
checking and correlating the corrections, setting the corrections in
type, etc. before the final print run, after which the book has to be
bound and distributed. And as I forgot to say on the other list, the
American edition will take even longer (not to mention foreign
editions that have to be translated). Anyway, it's a very
time-consuming process that's virtually impossible for someone who's
never written a book or been involved with publishing to imagine. At
least she doesn't have to worry about permissions like a nonfiction
author! Anyway, if it's a shortish book like PoA and she's at the
revising stage, it might be ready in six months if all goes well. If
it's longer and the twenty chapters are just drafts, it could take
twice that.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 00:06:15 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:06:15 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck1krp+8gpc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck4lln+br4t@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000"
> <dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > JKR mentions under the FAQs Colin Creevy post that she read through 
> > 20 chapters at a sitting before doing the FAQs. Does this mean she 
> > has written 20 chapters??? If I remember the books run from about 17 
> > chapters to about 37. Sounds like she may be nearing completion 
> > unless this book is going to be huge in which case I figure she 
> > still has a way to go.
> > 
> > Dudemom_2000
> > 
> > *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> TECHNICALLY she never even said twenty chapters of what... could it
> have been just some new book she bought? >:)
> 
> And, sadly, it used to say she *proofread* twenty chapters, which
sounded like she was basically done and nearly ready to send it to
Bloomsbury.  I think she saw some of the excitement about that online
and changed it.  *sniff*
> 
> I'm thinking she has written twenty chapters, but she's probably
still in an early draft.  I'm still pulling for summer '05...
> 
> Annemehr

Carol adds:
Actually, the manuscript has to be sent to Bloomsbury and *edited*
first. Proofreading takes place at a much later stage, after the book
has been set in type. (See my previous post.)

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 00:19:49 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:19:49 -0000
Subject: email 'wrangling'
In-Reply-To: <1662.4.47.27.217.1097163059.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <ck4mf5+721c@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote: 
<snip> Oh. {does happy bounce} I've managed to download 5,000+ emails
with 6,000 more to go--I had to sort out HPFGU's main list copies--and
an additional 6,000 that needs checking before hitting permanent
delete.  I'll feel better when I've got this email mess somewhat under
control because I'm discovering email I didn't even know was in this
account... and some of it was surprisingly good news.  For the past
two months, I haven't been able to properly download emails.

Carol responds:
For the record, there's a message index/archive right on the site, so
there's no real need to save or delete any messages, or to have them
clogging your e-mail inbox. (I'd prefer to set my account on "No
e-mail" but the Elves insist on "Special Notices" instead.) Granted,
the Search function, especially on the main list, leaves a lot to be
desired, but you can always bookmark your favorite posts so you can
find them again.

Just a suggestion.

Carol






From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 00:51:51 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (Spiridoula)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:51:51 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck4ht0+109ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck4ob7+kd48@eGroups.com>


 
> David wrote:
> 
> > Surely this type of beans is an American recipe? As in, Heinz 
Meanz
> > Beanz, and cowboys round the campfire with a pan, and so on. Don't
> > you call them baked beans like we do?


Annemehr said:
> They're not the same baked beans.  They may be similar, but Heinz 
has
> different recipes in the various countries where they do business.
> 
> I know all about Heinz. They started here in Pittsburgh, and my 
father
> in law worked for them for nearly 50 years. Now everybody go eat 
some
> ketchup.
> 
> Annemehr
> who once knew a British boy who only ate beans on toast, and an
> American girl who only ate peanut butter


Griffin782002:
Hmmm!
In Greece we don't make baked beans, at least the way they make them 
in the U.K. The closest thing we have is a kind of bean soup in 
tomato sauce. Also, we bake beans, my mother may bake what we call in 
Greek giant beans in a sauce, but they don't have any similaties to 
the baked beans that people eat in Britain.

Griffin782002 who stopped eating bean soup because one night she 
thuoght her tummy was jumping around :-/






From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Oct  8 01:51:55 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] email 'wrangling'
In-Reply-To: <ck4mf5+721c@eGroups.com>
References: <1662.4.47.27.217.1097163059.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <ck4mf5+721c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1275.4.47.27.235.1097200315.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

justcarol67 said:

> For the record, there's a message index/archive right on the site, so
> there's no real need to save or delete any messages, or to have them
> clogging your e-mail inbox. (I'd prefer to set my account on "No
> e-mail" but the Elves insist on "Special Notices" instead.) Granted,
> the Search function, especially on the main list, leaves a lot to be
> desired, but you can always bookmark your favorite posts so you can
> find them again.
>
> Just a suggestion.

Thanks. {g}

When I first signed on to the main list, I did have the group set for
no-mail.  Then I noticed I never read the group... or any group I had set
to no-mail (I dislike reading conversations at a website).  Not that I
actually read the messages now but I catch headers.  So, I set the group
to individual emails since digest would make it difficult to mark/delete
individual posts.  I believe I'm actually subscribed to HPFGU twice in
case one account starts heavily bouncing and I need a 'double check'
account, which is more of an 'emergency' one.

Dunno.

I use Eudora, which has a very good search feature on it.  I also have
GMail accounts, but as much as this computer has a good chance of dying, I
feel better by not relying on an outside service for longterm storage. 
Even with Furl (furl.net for saving webpages/articles/fanfic), I
appreciate the fact I can download copies.

At one point, I tried going back through HPFGU's archives to save
messages--I actually did like the offer for copies of messages to be sent.
 The weird thing is I may never read them but I'd like the choice to be
mine.

For example, I use LiveJournal's (a 'necessary evil') memories more as a
bookmark for 'later reading'.  I can bookmark LJ entries one day to find
them missing the next because the person deleted the entry or their
account is gone.  I used to bookmark Yahoogroup messages and now the
messages are gone because this was back when Yahoogroups limited some
groups' message archives and Y!G did the deleting.

It's the ever changing way of the internet.

Normally, I can handle the amount of emails but the summer
storms/hurricanes through Florida really mucked up my internet connection
for a couple months.  I need a solid connection and a computer that won't
crash during download.

I *do* want to see what others have thought about the HP books but there's
just so much.

Dina




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 03:06:50 2004
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:06:50 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck4ht0+109ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck508a+vmar@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> They're not the same baked beans.  They may be similar, but Heinz 
has
> different recipes in the various countries where they do business.
> 
> I know all about Heinz. They started here in Pittsburgh, and my 
father
> in law worked for them for nearly 50 years. Now everybody go eat 
some
> ketchup.


You're right about the baked beans.  There are so many different 
kinds, and some of them are really nasty (Bush beans!  Bush 
beans!).  My kids eat ketchup on everything!! *LOL*  But, then, so 
did I when I was young.  And mustard.  Ya gotta love Heinz!

Alora :)








From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  8 03:45:29 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:45:29 -0000
Subject: Twenty Chapters !
In-Reply-To: <ck4j3t+i4aq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck52gp+m4qm@eGroups.com>


> Annemehr:
> She still looks quite slim in that pic, though -- and you do blow 
up a
> lot quicker on the third pregnancy (or was it just me?).  So all 
she
> has to do is follow my simple schedule: hand the book in in early
> January, put her feet up, and have a baby in February!  :D

Jen: You should send her your time-line! You've been there, you have 
three kids, she may just need some good advice from a veteran mom 
and fellow schedule-juggler ;).

> > Jen, remembering how spacey she was during her own pregnancy and 
> > wondering if JKR should lay off the updates for awhile?

> Annemehr:We just need to find the best way to have fun with it.  
Anything she
> writes in the wee hours is the baby talking!

Jen: Yeah, OK. I'll *try*. I'm over my hissy fit for the moment 
anyway. Until next update. 






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct  8 08:28:29 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:28:29 -0000
Subject: And more food tales
In-Reply-To: <ck508a+vmar@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck5j3d+42ej@eGroups.com>


Alora wrote:

> You're right about the baked beans.  There are so many different 
> kinds, and some of them are really nasty (Bush beans!  Bush 
> beans!).  

Politics gets into everything in an election year, doesn't it?

David






From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  8 17:05:25 2004
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:05:25 -0000
Subject: Trying to locate a Harry Potter action figure
Message-ID: <ck6hcl+j9rk@eGroups.com>


There is a very difficult to find Harry Potter action figure out 
there on the market that seems to be mainly available in the UK and 
Australia, even though it's made by mattel (it's part of a series of 
3, including Dumbledore and Voldermort figurines in the same 
collection). I just can't seem to find it here in Canada or in any 
toy store in the North Eastern USA. If anyone out there has a Paypal 
account and would be willing to help me find this elusive object, 
please email me at: 
jheiler @ sympatico.ca (just remove the spaces in the address). I 
will then email you a photo of the action figure in question.  
Many thanks!
Nicole       






From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Oct  8 18:56:54 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:56:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: CNN did a snippet on HP 6 (spoiler) and 'mock the vote'
Message-ID: <2347.4.47.27.235.1097261814.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

For those with access to CNN, they did a brief segment on the upcoming
book and mentioned how Sirius Black died in OOTP and how another character
is going to meet its doom in the upcoming book.

OMG!  I'm watching a jibjab.com segment on CNN where they had John Edwards
in a red bikini.  LOL!  The clip mocked both Republicans and Democrats.

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Oct  8 19:02:38 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:02:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: I did get it on tape Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CNN did a snippet on HP 
     6 (spoiler) and 'mock the vote'
In-Reply-To: <2347.4.47.27.235.1097261814.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
References: <2347.4.47.27.235.1097261814.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <2352.4.47.27.235.1097262158.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

I almost forgot as an addendum (can you blame me after CNN had Kerry and
Edwards in the same bed?  OTP, indeed {chuckle}):

Dina Lerret said:

> For those with access to CNN, they did a brief segment on the upcoming

I did get this segment on tape and can upload a copy, but I'm sure other
sources can provide their own versions.

Dina




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 19:50:26 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:50:26 -0000
Subject: Mythical Creatures of Britain
Message-ID: <ck6r22+its0@eGroups.com>


The subject of Hags ahs come up again in the main group, and that lead
me on another internet Google search which in turn lead to a very
interesting website...

"Mysterious Britian - a guide to mysterious places, legends and
folklore within the British Isles."

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/index.html

This site works best with MS Internet Explorer. The cascading menus
don't quite work right in Mozilla or Netscape.

Interesting facts-

We've all heard of the Loch Ness Monster, but there are may
Lochs/lakes that have had monster sightings, one that even has a
longer and more frequent history of sightings than Loch Ness.

Dragons are the oldest monster and are found in nearly every culture
on earth. Dragon cave paintings have been found dating back 25,000
years. BUT, and this is a big BUT, there are still modern sighting of
dragons.

Texas - Modern sightings include a huge, winged reptile that
terrorized the San Antonio valley, Texas for several months in 1976.

Tibet - . A house sized, long necked, scaly, green dragon with
formidable teeth that has eaten fishermen and livestock in Lake Wembu,
Tibet,...

China - a horned, black-scaled dragon seen by five hundred witnesses
in July 2002 in Lake Tianchie, northeast China.

Wales - In the early 19th century folklorist Mary Trevelyan
interviewed many elderly people living in the Glamorgan area of Wales.
They recounted memories from their youth (early 19th century) of a
race of winged serpents said to inhabit the forest around Penllyne
Castle....

For more details, see the book "Dragons; More than a Myth?"

I found many fun links by searching Google for 'Folklore Hag'.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)









From dk59us at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 20:12:54 2004
From: dk59us at yahoo.com (Eustace_Scrubb)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:12:54 -0000
Subject: Red Sox to Face Voldemort?
Message-ID: <ck6sc6+r7g4@eGroups.com>


First my apologies to non-baseball fans...

A column in today's Boston Globe suggested that fans of the Boston Red
Sox baseball club should stop worrying about their current playoff
opponent, the Anaheim Angels, and instead look forward to a series
against their perennial tormentors, the New York Yankees.

The headline read:  

"Get ready for you-know-who"

Now, it's true that one of the Boston team owners referred to the
Yankees as the "Evil Empire" last year...and there is the little
matter of the Curse of the Bambino (Babe Ruth) that has according to
legend kept the Red Sox from winning the World Series since 1918.

But now apparently they have Voldemort to deal with as well...

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb

(Who will have to check the timeline on the Harry Potter Lexicon to
see whether any events in the year 1918 could have had an influence on
American baseball fortunes.)






From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Fri Oct  8 21:25:21 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:25:21 -0000
Subject: CNN did a snippet on HP 6 (spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <2347.4.47.27.235.1097261814.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <ck70k1+2ume@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote:
> For those with access to CNN, they did a brief segment on the 
> upcoming book and mentioned how Sirius Black died in OOTP and 
> how another character is going to meet its doom in the upcoming 
> book.


Found a link:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/10/08/britain.harrypotter.ap/ind
ex.html

It also states that HBP is "due to be published next year" but gives 
no sources for this claim.  Hm...

--Kelley






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Oct  8 22:22:51 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:22:51 EDT
Subject: Bangers & Mash
Message-ID: <1f9.7b69e3.2e986d3b@aol.com>

>>"I'm not British, but the British food I recommend is
McVitties biscuits, Alpen cereal, good British tea,
and bangers &mash. Yummy!"<<

I recently discovered an English food and goods store in my community where I 
found my recent addiction, Jaffa Cakes, and while there the woman who owns 
the shop was re-filling the freezer with sausages.  I asked her what they were 
and she told me and then said they were used in "Banger & Mash!"  Of course I 
had to have that explained to me also, so I decided to buy a package and come 
home and make them as she directed.   Yum!!!!!!!   My hips are going to widen 
like the grand canyon if I keep eatting all these british foods!  :)

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Oct  8 22:31:33 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:31:33 EDT
Subject: Pregnancy Brain
Message-ID: <1da.2d0f8628.2e986f45@aol.com>

>Jen, remembering how spacey she was during her own pregnancy and 
>wondering if JKR should lay off the updates for awhile?

We just need to find the best way to have fun with it.  Anything she
writes in the wee hours is the baby talking!
Annemehr<<

I fondly remember my "pregnancy brain" moments.  LOL  Something must happen 
with the brains cellular structure during that time!  Maybe we don't WANT her 
to be writing right now?  Well, she does have editors to catch the errors.  I 
don't want to wait until 2006 .... 'I WANT IT NOW I WANT IT NOW I WANT IT NOW!' 
 That was my 2 year old brain talking.  ;)

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Oct  8 22:36:12 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:36:12 EDT
Subject: Carol - manuscripts & proofing,editting, etc
Message-ID: <15c.4081d99f.2e98705c@aol.com>

>>Carol responds:
As I said in detail on the main list, there's a lot more to publishing
a book than just producing a manuscript, especially if it's a first
draft that needs to be revised. (She may just be checking for flints
and inconsistencies at this point, an initial read-through before she
revises.) And after she submits the manuscript, there's still the
substantive editing, the copyediting, additional corrections made by
the author based on the editing, setting the edited manuscript in
type, proofreading by both the author and a professional proofreader,
checking and correlating the corrections, setting the corrections in
type, etc. before the final print run, after which the book has to be
bound and distributed. And as I forgot to say on the other list, the
American edition will take even longer (not to mention foreign
editions that have to be translated). Anyway, it's a very
time-consuming process that's virtually impossible for someone who's
never written a book or been involved with publishing to imagine. At
least she doesn't have to worry about permissions like a nonfiction
author! Anyway, if it's a shortish book like PoA and she's at the
revising stage, it might be ready in six months if all goes well. If
it's longer and the twenty chapters are just drafts, it could take
twice that.

Carol <<


Carol,
Thanks for this insightful information.  I had no idea, well a vague idea, 
but not such a detailed description of all that is involved.  Are you in 
publishing?  

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  9 00:55:12 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Red Sox to Face Voldemort?
In-Reply-To: <ck6sc6+r7g4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041009005512.73857.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>



Eustace_Scrubb <dk59us at yahoo.com> wrote:

First my apologies to non-baseball fans...

A column in today's Boston Globe suggested that fans of the Boston Red
Sox baseball club should stop worrying about their current playoff
opponent, the Anaheim Angels, and instead look forward to a series
against their perennial tormentors, the New York Yankees.

The headline read:  

"Get ready for you-know-who"

Now, it's true that one of the Boston team owners referred to the
Yankees as the "Evil Empire" last year...and there is the little
matter of the Curse of the Bambino (Babe Ruth) that has according to
legend kept the Red Sox from winning the World Series since 1918.

But now apparently they have Voldemort to deal with as well...

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb

(Who will have to check the timeline on the Harry Potter Lexicon to
see whether any events in the year 1918 could have had an influence on
American baseball fortunes.)




Just keep you know who out of the Braves series!!!!

moonmyyst


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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sat Oct  9 01:16:49 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:16:49 -0000
Subject: CNN did a snippet on HP 6 (spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <ck70k1+2ume@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck7e61+ks9i@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote:
> > For those with access to CNN, they did a brief segment on the 
> > upcoming book and mentioned how Sirius Black died in OOTP and 
> > how another character is going to meet its doom in the upcoming 
> > book.
> 
Kelley:
> 
> Found a link:
> 
> 
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/10/08/britain.harrypotter.ap/in
d
> ex.html
> 
> It also states that HBP is "due to be published next year" but 
gives 
> no sources for this claim.  Hm...

I'm not sure how much stock to put in the details of this report.  
It cites JKR's website for the proposition that another character 
will die in HBP, but she doesn't say in which book.  The question 
was whether JKR would kill off any more characters and the answer 
was "yes, sorry."

But the "next year" assertion is interesting.  Very interesting.

Debbie






From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Sat Oct  9 02:28:57 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:28:57 -0000
Subject: Mythical Creatures of San Antonio (Re: Mythical Creatures of Britain)
In-Reply-To: <ck6r22+its0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck7id9+9p8m@eGroups.com>


Steve wrote:
> The subject of Hags ahs come up again in the main group, and that 
> lead me on another internet Google search which in turn lead to a 
> very interesting website...
> 
> "Mysterious Britian - a guide to mysterious places, legends and
> folklore within the British Isles."

Cool site, thanks, Steve.  This has led me to some googling, too...

> Dragons are the oldest monster and are found in nearly every culture
> on earth. Dragon cave paintings have been found dating back 25,000
> years. BUT, and this is a big BUT, there are still modern sighting 
> of dragons.
> 
> Texas - Modern sightings include a huge, winged reptile that
> terrorized the San Antonio valley, Texas for several months in 1976.

!!!

Okay, now why have I never heard of this?  (I live in SA.)  Amanda, 
ring any bells?  What geographical area is actually considered 
the "San Antonio valley"? (I've never heard this term, either.)  
Maybe Jan knows?  Granted, I was only 7 - 8 yrs old at that time, but 
this is the stuff local legends are made of.

Here are the "legends" I knew of growing up in SA:

The "Donkey Lady":
http://lonestar.texas.net/~tstevens/CS/donkey.htm

Never went to her bridge, so all I know of this is from the various 
tales; sometimes a variation of this has elements of the "La Llorona" 
story, too.  And yep, there used to be a working phone number, though 
was just a computer-generated squeal, but worth loads of great 
shivers for kids, anyway.

"La Llorona," not an SA thing, but a southwest/Mexico thing:
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/HC-WeepingWoman1.html

"Bloody Mary," also not something that originated in SA, but freaked 
us out when we were 10 - 11:
http://www.mythology.com/bloodymary.html

The "Ghost Tracks":
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa031201a.htm
http://invisiblelibrary.blogspot.com/2004/08/ghost-tracks-of-mission-
row.html

Did this once in junior high and it worked, didn't do the baby powder 
thing, though. Apparently it's an optical illusion -- though it 
appears you're moving up a slight incline, you're actually going 
downhill...

"Midget Mansion":
http://www.geocities.com/midgetmansion/

Never saw this place, either.  Here's one that's vaguely similar, 
though -- the night we went to the ghost tracks we also went down 
another road (somewhere on the south/southeast side of SA), nothing 
much out there really, but set back from the street was a white 
building lit by a sodium street light.  It didn't look like a house, 
but more along the lines of a 'meeting hall' type of building, the 
place where lots of country wedding receptions are held. 

However, this building had no windows that I could recall, and the 
thing that was so weird about it was that the door into the building 
was several feet off the ground (rather than being at ground level) 
and there were no steps or other means of reaching it.  The place 
didn't look dilapidated at all, though we were only seeing it from a 
distance and at night.  Nothing else weird about it, and I'm sure 
there must be some explanation for the odd placement of the 
door...was wonderfully creepy seeing it that night, though. ;-)

No real reason for relating that story, other than hopes that perhaps 
Amanda or one of the few other SA / south central TX folks can 
enlighten me on what that place might have been...

Heh, probably should have saved all this for a couple weeks, eh?

--Kelley







From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Oct  9 03:54:27 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:54:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: And another source Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CNN did a snippet on HP 6 
     (spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <ck7e61+ks9i@eGroups.com>
References: <ck70k1+2ume@eGroups.com> <ck7e61+ks9i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1701.4.12.232.4.1097294067.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

elfundeb2 said:

> Dina wrote:
>> > how another character is going to meet its doom in the upcoming
>> > book.
>>
> Kelley:
>> Found a link:
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/10/08/britain.harrypotter.ap/in
> d
>> ex.html
>>
>> It also states that HBP is "due to be published next year" but
> gives
>> no sources for this claim.  Hm...
>
> I'm not sure how much stock to put in the details of this report.
> It cites JKR's website for the proposition that another character
> will die in HBP, but she doesn't say in which book.  The question
> was whether JKR would kill off any more characters and the answer
> was "yes, sorry."

Oddly, I saw another report from ThistleThorne (aol.com):
[[
One of my local news web sites just released a bit of information
about the next HP book.

...

Rowling To Kill Off Another 'Harry Potter' Character
POSTED: 7:56 am EDT October 8, 2004

LONDON -- "Harry Potter" author J.K. Rowling said Friday that one of
her characters will not survive the next book in her series about
the young wizard.

Asked on her official Web site whether she planned to kill off any
more characters, Rowling replied, "Yes, sorry." But she refused to
identify that character.

The sixth book in the series, "Harry Potter And The Half-Blood
Prince," is due to be published next year.

Potter himself is safe, at least for now. Rowling has previously
said her teenage hero will survive until the seventh and final book
in the series, but has refused to say whether he will reach
adulthood.
]]


> But the "next year" assertion is interesting.  Very interesting.

Another source saying a character will die in book 6 and publishing is
next year.

Her local news could be recycling CNN's report.

Dina




From seeker at texasquidditch.com  Sat Oct  9 04:16:12 2004
From: seeker at texasquidditch.com (texasquidditch)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 04:16:12 -0000
Subject: Mythical Creatures of San Antonio (Re: Mythical Creatures of Britain)
In-Reply-To: <ck7id9+9p8m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck7omc+u6mo@eGroups.com>


There do appear to be mythical creatures in that area of Texas. 
Visit http://www.texasquidditch.com/alley1.html 
Seeker

> > Texas - Modern sightings include a huge, winged reptile that
> > terrorized the San Antonio valley, Texas for several months in 
1976.
> 
> !!!
> 
> Okay, now why have I never heard of this?  (I live in SA.)  Amanda, 
> ring any bells?  What geographical area is actually considered 
> the "San Antonio valley"? (I've never heard this term, either.)  
> Maybe Jan knows?  Granted, I was only 7 - 8 yrs old at that time, 
but 
> this is the stuff local legends are made of.
> 
> Here are the "legends" I knew of growing up in SA:
> 
> The "Donkey Lady":
> http://lonestar.texas.net/~tstevens/CS/donkey.htm
> 
> Never went to her bridge, so all I know of this is from the various 
> tales; sometimes a variation of this has elements of the "La 
Llorona" 
> story, too.  And yep, there used to be a working phone number, 
though 
> was just a computer-generated squeal, but worth loads of great 
> shivers for kids, anyway.
> 
> "La Llorona," not an SA thing, but a southwest/Mexico thing:
> http://www.legendsofamerica.com/HC-WeepingWoman1.html
> 
> "Bloody Mary," also not something that originated in SA, but 
freaked 
> us out when we were 10 - 11:
> http://www.mythology.com/bloodymary.html
> 
> The "Ghost Tracks":
> http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa031201a.htm
> http://invisiblelibrary.blogspot.com/2004/08/ghost-tracks-of-
mission-
> row.html
> 
> Did this once in junior high and it worked, didn't do the baby 
powder 
> thing, though. Apparently it's an optical illusion -- though it 
> appears you're moving up a slight incline, you're actually going 
> downhill...
> 
> "Midget Mansion":
> http://www.geocities.com/midgetmansion/
> 
> Never saw this place, either.  Here's one that's vaguely similar, 
> though -- the night we went to the ghost tracks we also went down 
> another road (somewhere on the south/southeast side of SA), nothing 
> much out there really, but set back from the street was a white 
> building lit by a sodium street light.  It didn't look like a 
house, 
> but more along the lines of a 'meeting hall' type of building, the 
> place where lots of country wedding receptions are held. 
> 
> However, this building had no windows that I could recall, and the 
> thing that was so weird about it was that the door into the 
building 
> was several feet off the ground (rather than being at ground level) 
> and there were no steps or other means of reaching it.  The place 
> didn't look dilapidated at all, though we were only seeing it from 
a 
> distance and at night.  Nothing else weird about it, and I'm sure 
> there must be some explanation for the odd placement of the 
> door...was wonderfully creepy seeing it that night, though. ;-)
> 
> No real reason for relating that story, other than hopes that 
perhaps 
> Amanda or one of the few other SA / south central TX folks can 
> enlighten me on what that place might have been...
> 
> Heh, probably should have saved all this for a couple weeks, eh?
> 
> --Kelley






From editor at texas.net  Sat Oct  9 12:04:05 2004
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 07:04:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mythical Creatures of San Antonio (Re: Mythical Creatures of Britain)
References: <ck7id9+9p8m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4adf8$14793940$2c58aacf@texas.net>

Kelley found somewhere

> > Texas - Modern sightings include a huge, winged reptile that
> > terrorized the San Antonio valley, Texas for several months in 1976.
>
> !!!
>
> Okay, now why have I never heard of this?  (I live in SA.)  Amanda,
> ring any bells?  What geographical area is actually considered
> the "San Antonio valley"? (I've never heard this term, either.)
> Maybe Jan knows?  Granted, I was only 7 - 8 yrs old at that time, but
> this is the stuff local legends are made of.

Huh. No, no idea what the dragon was. Amazing how efficacious those mass
memory charms can be. Where was the site you got that quote?

> Here are the "legends" I knew of growing up in SA:

<snip the legends, all correct and the ones I grew up with>

Kelley, you forgot the *chupacabra*!! It's more to the south, but still. A
bona-fide mysterious magical creature.

> No real reason for relating that story, other than hopes that perhaps
> Amanda or one of the few other SA / south central TX folks can
> enlighten me on what that place might have been...

The Donkey Lady's place of residence shifted, as the city grew to the north.
When I was in school, her house was in the medical center area, which now is
totally overbuilt. When my friends' much younger siblings were in school,
the Donkey Lady lived farther north. I suspect Midget Mansion might have
moved, similarly.

~Amanda






From captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au  Sat Oct  9 13:02:44 2004
From: captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au (captain_suburbia)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:02:44 -0000
Subject: Chat scheduling (was:Re: chat reminder)
In-Reply-To: <cjfcq2+7e6b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck8nhk+le2d@eGroups.com>


Carol said:
 I have essentially the same problem and have only braved the
> chat room a few times, usually to find no one there because no one is
> in my time zone (Arizona, which is on Mountain Standard Time when the
> rest of the Rocky Mountain states are on Mountain Daylight Time--and
> England is, what? eight or more hours ahead of us). 

Ah, yes the time zoning problem.  I'm in Australia, so the chat time
for us starts at around, oooh, 11am Monday morning.  Not too good for
those of us who are up-and-at-em working at that time!  Sadly, we miss
out.   It would be nice to vary the schedule from time to time (hint,
hint!)

- Burbs

Waste your precious time on my weblog:
http://suburbansafari.blogspot.com/ 








From captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au  Sat Oct  9 13:16:12 2004
From: captain_suburbia at yahoo.com.au (captain_suburbia)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:16:12 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <cjivc6+o7jc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck8oas+vkc2@eGroups.com>


Kelley said:
> If anyone's interested, we could set up another chat, sometime on 
> Saturday I guess (or any time, really), to let folks get their feet 
> wet, get comfortable, etc.  It can be set up anytime by anyone 
> really; people can just post here when would be good for them, see 
> what interest there is, and so on.

Another time (such as Saturday) would be *great*!  

I'm afraid I'm not too sure on how to set it up myself, otherwise I
would definitely take the initiative (I do try not to sit back and
wait for solutions to magically appear if I can help it).

And, by the way, I've found another fabulous World Clock which the
more visual amongst us might enjoy.
http://www.eeph.com/~matthew/worldlive.html

- Burbs
Waste your precious time on my weblog: http://suburbansafari.blogspot.com/









From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  9 13:40:05 2004
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:40:05 -0000
Subject: Trying to locate a Harry Potter action figure
In-Reply-To: <ck6hcl+j9rk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck8pnl+3shj@eGroups.com>


jeanico2000 wrote:
> 
> There is a very difficult to find Harry Potter action figure out 
> there on the market that seems to be mainly available in the UK 
and 
> Australia, even though it's made by mattel (it's part of a series 
of 
> 3, including Dumbledore and Voldermort figurines in the same 
> collection). I just can't seem to find it here in Canada or in any 
> toy store in the North Eastern USA. If anyone out there has a 
Paypal 
> account and would be willing to help me find this elusive object, 
> please email me at: 
> jheiler @ sympatico.ca (just remove the spaces in the address). I 
> will then email you a photo of the action figure in question.  
> Many thanks!
> Nicole

Nicole, 
Have you tried Ebay? I just did a quick search for Harry Potter 
Action Figures, and there were over 100. I added the word Mattel, 
and there were a couple. I don't know if ay of them are what you are 
looking for, but it's a good place to look. I've bought a bunch of 
stuff on ebay, and have always had good experiences. (Last one- a 
new Spiderman Halloween costume for my 10 month old son!)
-Barb






From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Sun Oct 10 00:20:06 2004
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (SongBird3411 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:20:06 -0000
Subject: chat reminder
In-Reply-To: <cjfcq2+7e6b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck9v7m+mu9j@eGroups.com>


Carol wrote:

 I have essentially the same problem and have only braved the
> chat room a few times, usually to find no one there because no one 
is
> in my time zone (Arizona, which is on Mountain Standard Time when 
the
> rest of the Rocky Mountain states are on Mountain Daylight Time--and
> England is, what? eight or more hours ahead of us). 

Now Mindy:

Ah, Carol!  I was just going through messages here from the last two 
weeks and found this one.  You have the exact problems I do.  
Including living in Arizona with our unique Mountain Standard Time, 
as well as difficulty keeping up in the chat room.  I only tried once 
or twice.  The timing was the main problem though.  Especially in the 
summer like this, with us being essentially on Pacific Time.  
Although, I am not so sure the end of Daylight Savings would really 
make that much of a difference.  (Other than me forgetting everyone 
else has changed time.)

Someone brought up setting up a different chat time/day.  Or even 
varying it.  I might try again if the time was more convenient.

Mindy






From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 02:24:57 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:24:57 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Paula!
Message-ID: <cka6hp+hfcr@eGroups.com>


Don't you just love Saturdays?  I know I do, so isn't it great that 
I've got a birthday to announce today? *grins*

Everyone, say happy birthday to Paula, who can be reached for 
birthday owls at paulag5777 at yahoo.com.  People love getting nice 
messages on their birthdays!

Now just hold on a minute while I put on some music...what kind would 
everyone prefer?  Well, as I suppose everyone likes something 
different, I've got just the thing--a nice large variety!  Or at 
least, once the charmed instruments come out...*beckons with a 
finger, and the instruments appear and start playing music* There!  
And... *waves a hand, and streamers and balloons go to their places*

Who wants cake?  And ice cream?  Just hold on a minute and let me get 
it; I'm hungry too! *pops out and quickly pops back in with cake and 
ice cream floating behind* Doesn't that look good... Go ahead, 
everyone, dig in!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PAULA!

--Rynny the birthday elf  






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 10 04:02:13 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 10 Oct 2004 04:02:13 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1097380933.22.99370.m3@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 10 15:02:28 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 10 Oct 2004 15:02:28 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1097420548.14.21460.m23@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

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Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 10 22:16:14 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:16:14 -0700
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
References: <1097420548.14.21460.m23@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4af16$c2165000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

I was reading fanfiction (shh) and
realized I have the same reaction to a
certain scene, no matter how it's done.
This is a scene that probably WILL
occur in the books, and it got me
thinking...

What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW
is coming but still dread seeing in the
books?

For me, it's Draco becoming a Death
Eater.  I had hopes he would realize
what an idiot he is somewhere in the
fifth book but...obviously not.

So what is it for you?  Another death?
The loss of a Weasley member?  What do
you dread most seeing but know will be
there?

Saitaina
****
"You don't know my father," Malfoy
said. "He'd still kill me. He'd kill me
and he'd stuff me, and he'd say, 'Yes,
this is Draco. He's my only heir. He's
a bit quiet recently, I don't think he
likes living in this glass case.'"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 11 05:53:34 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:53:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Christopher Reeve died (and Presidential debate)
Message-ID: <2497.4.12.232.2.1097474014.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

>From what I'm hearing, Christopher Reeve (most known from his role as
Superman) recently died.  He had a cardiac arrest, went into a coma, and
never woke up. :-(

Hm, I was reminded of a comment John Kerry made about how Reeve hoped stem
cell research might help him.  Reeve mentioned a wish to walk one day. 
Well, if there is an afterlife, I hope he got his wish.

What's the saying about things happen in threes.

Dina




From sherriola at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 11 14:10:44 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:10:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Christopher Reeve died (and Presidential debate)
In-Reply-To: <2497.4.12.232.2.1097474014.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <003801c4af9c$19cfbc20$0400a8c0@pensive>

Yes, Christopher Reeve died last night.  I am also a disabled person, though
I have a different disability.  To me, he will always be Superman, but not
for his movie career.  He was the greatest spokesperson for the rights and
future of the disabled community that as ever existed. He became a hero to
millions for his spirit and advocacy.  My heart and sympathy goes out to his
family, and I hope his legacy lasts for many years.

Sherry




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:54 PM
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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Christopher Reeve died (and Presidential debate)



>From what I'm hearing, Christopher Reeve (most known from his role as
Superman) recently died.  He had a cardiac arrest, went into a coma, and
never woke up. :-(

Hm, I was reminded of a comment John Kerry made about how Reeve hoped stem
cell research might help him.  Reeve mentioned a wish to walk one day. 
Well, if there is an afterlife, I hope he got his wish.

What's the saying about things happen in threes.

Dina




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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 15:06:11 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <001601c4af16$c2165000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
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Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
I was reading fanfiction (shh) and
realized I have the same reaction to a
certain scene, no matter how it's done.
This is a scene that probably WILL
occur in the books, and it got me
thinking...

What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW
is coming but still dread seeing in the
books?


ME:  

I really expect Ron to die and that REALLY bothers me.  It feels like...to
me, anyway....watching a car accident about to happen when you can't do
anything to stop it.  

I hope I'm wrong.  I really hope I'm wrong.  When Sirius was killed, I had
to put the book down for a few minutes before I could start reading again.
 I just couldn't believe she'd killed him off.  But if Jo takes Ron away,
it will really hurt.

MJ




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From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 11 17:11:02 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <20041011150611.11145.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <001601c4af16$c2165000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
    <20041011150611.11145.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1351.4.47.27.206.1097514662.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

> Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW
> is coming but still dread seeing in the
> books?

All the Marauders die.  Morbid, aren't I?  Um, what I dread... Finding out
Harry Potter is completely heterosexual? {chuckle}


Marita Jan said:
> I really expect Ron to die and that REALLY bothers me.  It feels like...to
> me, anyway....watching a car accident about to happen when you can't do
> anything to stop it.
>
> I hope I'm wrong.  I really hope I'm wrong.

I think JKR mentioned she wasn't going to kill off Ron.

Dina




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 18:20:34 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:20:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <1351.4.47.27.206.1097514662.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <20041011182034.39745.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Dina Lerret <redina at silverbloom.net> wrote:

> I think JKR mentioned she wasn't going to kill off Ron.
> 
> Dina
> 
> 

I would LOVE to be able to confirm that!  The only concrete thing I've
ever read regarding someone living or dying is that Harry will live to
Book 7, but she hasn't said whether or not he'll live AFTER book 7.  So,
if you know where she's mentioned anybody else, I'd love to read that
material!

Thanks!

MJ

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From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Mon Oct 11 17:54:08 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:54:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <1351.4.47.27.206.1097514662.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c4afbb$4f3428a0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Lerret [mailto:redina at silverbloom.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:11 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's Coming Will Come

 

*       Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW
> is coming but still dread seeing in the
> books?
Dina:
All the Marauders die.  Morbid, aren't I?

 

Yb:

Well, given that silver hand of Rat-man's, and that Lupin is a werewolf,
that doesn't spell good things for him, and of course, does anyone
really want Peter to live?


Dina wrote: 
I think JKR mentioned she wasn't going to kill off Ron.



Yb:

I don't think she's been very clear on the matter. Maybe a "That
wouldn't be very nice, now would it" attitude, but she's not saying a
word. I am dreading 

a) the death of Hagrid (because I LOVE him, simply love him) 

b) an attack on Hogwarts. I hate it when children die, even Slytherins,
and

c) Harry seeing his parents again, like in GoF in the Priori Incantatem
sequence. I wanted to cry, and I'm sure that it will happen again, along
with Sirius. 



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From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 20:06:43 2004
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:06:43 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <1351.4.47.27.206.1097514662.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <ckep4j+jt7l@eGroups.com>



> > Saitaina <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> > What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW
> > is coming but still dread seeing in the
> > books?
>Dina said: 
> All the Marauders die.  Morbid, aren't I?  > 
> 
> now me:
         I have a really nasty feeling we will see Lupin die and 
return as a ghost. Not that he is a coward but because he has a low 
oppinion of himself and won't think himself worthy of the peace 
beyond this life.
I hope I'm wrong and that I've just overdosed on angsty!Lupin fanfic 
but Jo has commented on the importance of faith and the theme of 
death in the series and it seems likely to me. I will be howling 
myself if and when it comes.
Sam
who really needs to remember that Remus is a fictional character 
sometimes.

Also, someone has just told me Regulus is in Leo. Did anyone suggest 
that Regulus Black was the person described in the passage last 
hidden behind THE door? If anyone could direct me to a post I'd be 
really grateful.







From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 21:22:26 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (Spiridoula)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:22:26 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <000b01c4afbb$4f3428a0$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <cketii+b68i@eGroups.com>


>> 
> Yb:
> 
> Well, given that silver hand of Rat-man's, and that Lupin is a 
werewolf,
> that doesn't spell good things for him, and of course, does anyone
> really want Peter to live?

Griffin782002 now:
I am not sure about his silver hand. It is silver coloured, but many 
other substances are silver coloured. For example, unicrn's blood has 
the same and it was used in the potion that helped L.V. to regain his 
body. Could Peter's hand has anything to do with this?
And I could like to see Peter turning against L.V. and perhaps 
sacrifising himself to protect or save Harry.


  
> Dina wrote: 
> I think JKR mentioned she wasn't going to kill off Ron.
> 
> 
> 
> Yb:
> 
> I don't think she's been very clear on the matter. Maybe a "That
> wouldn't be very nice, now would it" attitude, but she's not saying 
a
> word. I am dreading 
> 
> a) the death of Hagrid (because I LOVE him, simply love him) 
> 
> b) an attack on Hogwarts. I hate it when children die, even 
Slytherins,
> and
> 
> c) Harry seeing his parents again, like in GoF in the Priori 
Incantatem
> sequence. I wanted to cry, and I'm sure that it will happen again, 
along
> with Sirius. 


Griffin782002 again:

I am worried about Ron. What she did with Sirius wasn't that nice. if 
that happens, we might have another awful moment.
About the attack to Hogwarts, I think it might not be that far 
fetched. Considering what J.K.R. has said about foreshadowings in the 
P.o.A. movie, I have been thinking about scenes where we could see 
Dementors surrounding the castle. Is it possible that they might 
ordered by L.V. to attack Hogwarts?

Griffin782002
 






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Oct 11 21:23:32 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:23:32 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's Coming Will Come
References: <001601c4af16$c2165000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>    <20041011150611.11145.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> <1351.4.47.27.206.1097514662.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <007001c4afd8$906bd800$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<Finding out
Harry Potter is completely
heterosexual? >

DINA!  Although I agree with you.

MJ wrote:

<It feels like...to
me, anyway....watching a car accident
about to happen when you can't do
anything to stop it.  >

I know!  It's that gut twisting emotion
that you just want to scream stop and
can't.

Rebecca wrote:

<and of course, does anyone
really want Peter to live?>

I do.  I adore Peter, he's human.

Sam wrote:

<who really needs to remember that
Remus is a fictional character
sometimes>

I think those of us who love character
and/or read fanfiction feel this way
about certain characters.  For example,
Draco for me (although I liked him
before fanfiction, I'm weird).

Griffin782002 wrote:

<And I could like to see Peter turning
against L.V. and perhaps
sacrificing himself to protect or save
Harry.>

Agreed.  That would be a nice scene to
see.

<I have been thinking about scenes
where we could see
Dementors surrounding the castle. Is it
possible that they might
ordered by L.V. to attack Hogwarts?>

Quite possible.  Even if it's not
Dementors it could be hooded Death
Eaters (they kind of look alike when
you're not paying attention).


Saitaina
****
"You don't know my father," Malfoy
said. "He'd still kill me. He'd kill me
and he'd stuff me, and he'd say, 'Yes,
this is Draco. He's my only heir. He's
a bit quiet recently, I don't think he
likes living in this glass case.'"

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 12 05:28:22 2004
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:28:22 -0000
Subject: Pregnant Women Venting
Message-ID: <ckfq1m+83v4@eGroups.com>


Ok guys and gals I am going to vent so I hope its ok. 
Ok for one I am sad that I just heard that one of my favorite actor of 
all time just died yesturday. Rest in Peace Christopher Reeves. I cant 
belive he died that is so sad. He was 52 years old and he died of a 
heart attack after being a coma because someone didnt move him to 
different postions because he got a bed sore. I work in the nursing 
field and I cant belive someone didnt move him to different sides or 
see the bedsore and clean it up. There will never be another 
Christopher Reeves or a Superman like him ever. 
Ok 2nd it was sad to hear that Rodney Dangerfield died as well. He was 
a great comedian and I loved his movies espeicaially his great line "I 
get no Respect" 
Sorry I havent been in the group in a while since I told everyone that 
I am pregnant. I been sick. I havent thrown-up just nauseated. I had a 
lot of cravings for different kinds of foods and other things as well 
but I am not going to mention them. I gotten the Pregnancy Bible 
everyone told me to get and I did and they are great. 
I havent told my family yet but I will in the next two weeks or so but 
I hope they will support me and my fiance 100%.
Thank you everyone for your prayers and concers and the congrats to 
me. I thank you to the people who sent me a greetings card in email. 
It made me really happy. I only cried once today and that was when I 
heard that Christopher Reeves passed away. Oh wait I cried another 
time when watching a movie called "Salena" with Jennifer Lopez in it. 
It was sad movie because I heard her English songs before and I loved 
them. It was a sad movie. I guess I shouldnt watched sad movies when I 
am pregnant huh? 
I been really tired as well. I was at my dads house Sunday for his 
birthday and of course my niece and nephew were there so I was in the 
pool with them and they are a lot to handle. My niece is 8 and my 
nephew is 6 and they dont know how to swim. So they were keeping me 
and my fiance busy and I was tired when we left his house and I feel 
asleep when I got home and didnt wake up until 1pm today. I diffently 
going to teach my kids how to swim even if I dont have a pool. 
Well gotta go now Im getting hungry again. Talk to yall later.

Tasha






From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 12 10:34:09 2004
From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (udder_pen_dragon)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:34:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Please guide me to a fan fic
In-Reply-To: <029601c4a49b$08f3d460$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <20041012103409.42676.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Hi All

I have been trying to find a story I read ages ago, it is a H/Hr story.  

Harry has defeated Voldemort and been delayed in the MoM by a load of hangers on. 

When he gets back to Hogwarts Hermione meets him in Dumbledores office because Ron has gone to get some refreshment's from Hogsmead.

If any of you can help me locate this story I will be most greatful. 

Thanks in antisipation.

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From garybec at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 12 18:18:38 2004
From: garybec at yahoo.com (garybec)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:18:38 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <20041011150611.11145.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ckh75u+d5td@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Saitaina <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> I was reading fanfiction (shh) and
> realized I have the same reaction to a
> certain scene, no matter how it's done.
> This is a scene that probably WILL
> occur in the books, and it got me
> thinking...
> 
> What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW
> is coming but still dread seeing in the
> books?
> 
> 
> ME:  
> 
> I really expect Ron to die and that REALLY bothers me.  It feels 
like...to
> me, anyway....watching a car accident about to happen when you 
can't do
> anything to stop it.  
> 
> I hope I'm wrong.  I really hope I'm wrong.  When Sirius was 
killed, I had
> to put the book down for a few minutes before I could start 
reading again.
>  I just couldn't believe she'd killed him off.  But if Jo takes 
Ron away,
> it will really hurt.
> 
> MJ

Becki Here;

I can't help but be afraid for Harry.  He is the only one I will be 
devastated over.  There are many other characters that I love, 
Hermione, Lupin, Dumbledore, etc.  Although I would be disappointed 
if any of my fav's snuffed it, I would mostly greve for Harry.  What 
concerns me most is (if anyone saw this) is the Biography on 
A & E with Jo herself.  Towards the end, when she is in her office, 
sitting on the floor, clutching, almost hugging, the last chapter of 
book 7, talking how difficult it is going to be to rewrite the death 
that is going to be the hardest.  Which character is the most 
profound to her to dread writing that chapter into the final book.  
I can think of quite a few, any of the main characters would be 
difficult for her.  

I keep telling myself that she "doth protest to much", when she 
keeps reminding us that Harry may not make it to adulthood.

Becki, praying for Harry







From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 12 22:27:42 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (Spiridoula)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:27:42 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <ckh75u+d5td@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckhlou+fnuc@eGroups.com>



> 
> > Becki Here;
> 
> I can't help but be afraid for Harry.  He is the only one I will be 
> devastated over.  There are many other characters that I love, 
> Hermione, Lupin, Dumbledore, etc.  Although I would be disappointed 
> if any of my fav's snuffed it, I would mostly greve for Harry.  
What 
> concerns me most is (if anyone saw this) is the Biography on 
> A & E with Jo herself.  Towards the end, when she is in her office, 
> sitting on the floor, clutching, almost hugging, the last chapter 
of 
> book 7, talking how difficult it is going to be to rewrite the 
death 
> that is going to be the hardest.  Which character is the most 
> profound to her to dread writing that chapter into the final book.  
> I can think of quite a few, any of the main characters would be 
> difficult for her.  
> 
> I keep telling myself that she "doth protest to much", when she 
> keeps reminding us that Harry may not make it to adulthood.
> 
> Becki, praying for Harry


Griffin782002 now:
I really think killing Harry might really make J.K.R. to run away. 
Just remember her reply to the first FAQ poll. When Conand Doyle 
killed off Shellock Holmes, the public outrage forced him to bring 
him back. Is it so difficult to allow Harry to live a normal life?
And I just thought of a character that her would really upset J.K.R. 
And that's is Hermione. She has said that she based that character on 
herself. That would certainly cause her destress. What she did to 
Sirius wasn't better.

Griffin782002 






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct 12 23:49:03 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:49:03 -0000
Subject: Hermione's origin? (was: What's Coming Will Come)
In-Reply-To: <ckhlou+fnuc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckhqhf+645k@eGroups.com>


Griffin782002 now:

> And that's is Hermione. She has said that she based that character 
on 
> herself. 

But what does that mean?  I think people tend to read more into 
JKR's statements about Hermione than is there.  Yes, she is 'based 
on' herself - but look at this:

Q: I was going to say, are you a Hermione?
A: Yeah. I mean none of the characters in the books are directly 
taken from life, but real people did inspire a few of them, but of 
course, once they are on the page they become something completely 
different. Yeah, Hermione is a caricature of what I was when I was 
11, a real exaggeration. I wasn't that clever. Hermione is 
borderline genius at points and I hope I wasn't that annoying 
because I would have deserved strangling. Sometimes she's an 
incredible know-it-all.

(The Connection, http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/1999/1099-
connectiontransc.html )

I've just had a quick skim of many her quotes about Hermione, and I 
get this sense of JKR distancing herself - she sees Hermione as 
similar to what she *was*, but she stands outside that, looking in.  
That first sentence there is typical, IMO: start from a real person, 
but "once they are on the page they become something completely 
different".

One sometimes sees statements like 'Hermione is JKR's avatar in the 
series', but I don't believe they are really supported by the 
evidence.

In fact, the only character who she says required very little change 
is Lockhart.

David






From garybec at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 01:58:59 2004
From: garybec at yahoo.com (garybec)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:58:59 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <ckhlou+fnuc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cki253+j7pc@eGroups.com>



 Becki Here;
 
I can't help but be afraid for Harry.  He is the only one I will be 
devastated over.  There are many other characters that I love, 
Hermione, Lupin, Dumbledore, etc.  Although I would be disappointed 
if any of my fav's snuffed it, I would mostly greve for Harry.  
What concerns me most is (if anyone saw this) is the Biography on 
A & E with Jo herself.  Towards the end, when she is in her office, 
sitting on the floor, clutching, almost hugging, the last chapter 
of book 7, talking how difficult it is going to be to rewrite the 
death that is going to be the hardest.  Which character is the most 
profound to her to dread writing that chapter into the final book.  
I can think of quite a few, any of the main characters would be 
difficult for her.  
 
 I keep telling myself that she "doth protest to much", when she 
 keeps reminding us that Harry may not make it to adulthood.
 
 Becki, praying for Harry
 
 
Griffin782002 now:
I really think killing Harry might really make J.K.R. to run away. 
Just remember her reply to the first FAQ poll. When Conand Doyle 
killed off Shellock Holmes, the public outrage forced him to bring 
him back. Is it so difficult to allow Harry to live a normal life?
And I just thought of a character that her would really upset J.K.R. 
And that's is Hermione. She has said that she based that character 
on  herself. That would certainly cause her destress. What she did 
to  Sirius wasn't better.
 
 Griffin782002

Becki Again;

A poster on the main list had a point that to kill off Harry would 
not be a very good thing for Warner Brothers.  All that residual 
marketing, Harryware and such.  They think it would be not as easy 
to market that stuff with Harry dead and gone.  

If I had to bet money on who is the gonner in that yellow folder, 
would be Dumbledore.  He has a strong enough presense to really pull 
at your heartstrings.  I can see your point for Hermione, with Jo 
identifing with her, but I don't think that is the one.  If not 
Dumbledore, then Ron, but that seems so obvious.

Anyone else with opinions on who is in that yellow folder?

Becki






From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Oct 13 03:11:30 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:11:30 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <cki253+j7pc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cki6d2+5f47@eGroups.com>


> Becki Again;
> 
> A poster on the main list had a point that to kill off Harry would 
> not be a very good thing for Warner Brothers.  All that residual 
> marketing, Harryware and such.  They think it would be not as easy 
> to market that stuff with Harry dead and gone.  
> 
> If I had to bet money on who is the gonner in that yellow folder, 
> would be Dumbledore.  He has a strong enough presense to really 
pull 
> at your heartstrings.  I can see your point for Hermione, with Jo 
> identifing with her, but I don't think that is the one.  If not 
> Dumbledore, then Ron, but that seems so obvious.
> 
> Anyone else with opinions on who is in that yellow folder?
> 
> Becki

I think Dumbledore (apparently) will be done in at the end of book 6. 
Since DD is the only one LV ever feared, having him out of the way 
will make him feel even more bulletproof, setting up the final battle 
that only Harry can now win. But given Harry's current (end of book 
5) feelings toward DD, unless something else happens in HBP to change 
them, will Harry go over to the dark side or will DD's (apparent)
death be the catalyst that releases Harry's true power?

As for the victim in the yellow folder...well, our girl Jo has earned 
a bit of a reputation as a tease. There may not BE an ultimate 
victim, and the Trio all live happily ever after in some romantic 
combination together and/or with a person or persons yet to be met. 
I'll wait, albeit impatiently, to see. 
MsTattersall
(I keep saying "apparent" because if any wizard could do a Kenobi, 
it's APWBD.)






From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Oct 13 04:32:36 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:32:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <cki253+j7pc@eGroups.com>
References: <ckhlou+fnuc@eGroups.com> <cki253+j7pc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2298.4.47.27.242.1097641956.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

garybec said:

> Anyone else with opinions on who is in that yellow folder?

Dobby (and his yellow socks). ;-)  Since HBO is playing HP:COS, I'm amused
by the scene where Harry asks Dobby to stop saving him.  Yet, by GOF,
Dobby is back to helping out Harry.  This reminds me of a rumour about a
'fan' of Harry snuffing it.

Dina


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 14:47:44 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:47:44 -0000
Subject: "Fandomopoly" and "Wizarding Triple Crown" - The Witching Hour Announces...
Message-ID: <ckjf6g+jrfp@eGroups.com>


NEWS RELEASE

OCT. 5, 2004

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

For more info:
The Witching Hour
Amy Tenbrink, lead event organizer
amy at witchinghour.org


"FANDOMOPOLY" AND "WIZARDING TRIPLE CROWN" ? THE WITCHING HOUR
ANNOUNCES TWO WAYS FOR FANDOM TO GET INVOLVED.

Got a favorite fandom community? A `ship close to your heart? A
LiveJournal where you and hundreds of your closest friends marvel at
the many mysteries of Professor Snape?
Well if you've ever pictured your group's name in lights, this could
be your chance. The Witching Hour is pleased to announce the opening
of Fandomopoly, a special edition of the popular board game Monopoly.

The one-of-a-kind board game will be auctioned off at The Witching
Hour ? an academic symposium on all things Harry Potter to be held
Oct. 6-10, 2005, in Salem, Mass. Game cards will also be available
for viewing and download on the Web site.

Fandomopoly's properties will bear the names of Harry Potter-related
groups and sites, but in order to get the site's name on a property,
the site must first make a donation to The Witching Hour.

Each group's donation will be applied to both the game as well as
the conference, giving sites a chance to sponsor a programming
session, concert or other special event.

Harry Potter Sites, Yahoo! Groups, blog communities, `ships, and all
other Harry Potter fandom-related Internet communities are eligible
to participate; individuals and for-profit companies are not. Sites
or groups need not be solely concentrated on the Harry Potter
fandom, but must have a verifiable presence in the fandom.

For more information, go to
http://www.witchinghour.org/sponsor/fandomopoly.html, or e-mail
fandomopoly at witchinghour.org.

And in celebration of the autumn season, The Witching Hour is
issuing a call for wizarding competitors with the announcement of
its Wizarding Triple Crown competition, designed to test the
creativity, intelligence and bravery of magic folk from across the
globe. In this First Challenge of the Wizarding Triple Crown,
inspired witches and wizards ages fourteen and older are being asked
to submit artistic creations with the theme of "The Great Hall at
Hallowe'en". This theme will encompass an original and tasteful
scene of a great hall, with no distinguishable aspects of
copyrighted material.

All submissions will be judged by a panel of artists. The winner of
this grand challenge with have the honor of having their artwork
displayed at the conference, as well as a ticket to the long sold
out "Tea With Trelawney" event also being held at the conference.

For a full description of the rules, check out
http://www.witchinghour.org/events/otheramuse.html. All interested are
being asked to send their questions and entries to
wizardingtriplecrown at witchinghour.org.









From meidbh at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 23:48:54 2004
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:48:54 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <001601c4af16$c2165000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <ckket6+fsv2@eGroups.com>


Saitaina wrote:
"What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW is coming but still dread 
seeing in the books?"

Meidbh:

What a yummy question!

I so much want Harry to survive and have a chance of happiness 
without any Dursleys, dementors or Dark Lords in the background. You 
know, a pretty pretty cinematic ending involving owls or brooms or 
hippogriffs (and of course a scenic Scottish loch). With a great 
future as an Auror ahead of him. I'm quite sure Warner Bros have 
storyboarded it that way already...

But

In bookworld, I think he might croak it. 
I can't see what other ending could be final enough for book 7. 
Given what he has been through in the last few years, and given that 
what JKR has planned for him is even worse, Harry will be lucky to 
reach the end of book 7 with an intact mind let alone body and 
soul... I just can't see much possibility for a happy ending by the 
end of the series if he loses any more of his near and dear. 

I'm going to be so scared to turn the pages of the next two books 
after the shock of Sirius. I don't think I'll dare to read them in 
public places in case of sudden onset of grief!

Meidbh








From ArienAstera at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 14 00:48:13 2004
From: ArienAstera at hotmail.com (arienastera)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:48:13 -0000
Subject: New Mugglenet group
Message-ID: <ckkicd+hs9t@eGroups.com>



Sorry for the advertising, but its necessary.  There is a new Yahoo 
Group for MuggleNet.com!

Its brand new, so there is not much going on, so join and spread the 
word.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuggleNet_group

Thank you,
ArienAstera









From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 14 08:26:19 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:26:19 -0000
Subject: New Mugglenet group
In-Reply-To: <ckkicd+hs9t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckld7b+cc2g@eGroups.com>


ArienAstera wrote:

> Sorry for the advertising, but its necessary.  

Necessary?  Is Mugglenet having problems?  Is cosforums OK?

David






From jmoses22002 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 14 11:06:06 2004
From: jmoses22002 at yahoo.com (Joshua Moses)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <ckket6+fsv2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041014110606.39298.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com>


--- meidbh <meidbh at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Saitaina wrote:
> "What event/scene/whatever, do you KNOW is coming
> but still dread 
> seeing in the books?"
> 
> Meidbh:
> 
> What a yummy question!
> 
> I so much want Harry to survive and have a chance of
> happiness 
> without any Dursleys, dementors or Dark Lords in the
> background. You 
> know, a pretty pretty cinematic ending involving
> owls or brooms or 
> hippogriffs (and of course a scenic Scottish loch).
> With a great 
> future as an Auror ahead of him. I'm quite sure
> Warner Bros have 
> storyboarded it that way already...
> 
> But
> 
> In bookworld, I think he might croak it. 
> I can't see what other ending could be final enough
> for book 7. 
> Given what he has been through in the last few
> years, and given that 
> what JKR has planned for him is even worse, Harry
> will be lucky to 
> reach the end of book 7 with an intact mind let
> alone body and 
> soul... I just can't see much possibility for a
> happy ending by the 
> end of the series if he loses any more of his near
> and dear. 
> 
> I'm going to be so scared to turn the pages of the
> next two books 
> after the shock of Sirius. I don't think I'll dare
> to read them in 
> public places in case of sudden onset of grief!
> 
> Meidbh



       Lets also not forget that JKR only planned 7
books.  If Harry does not bite the big one she'll be
getting letters from everyone, and their grandpa,
begging for an 8th book. 
                        -jmoses22002





		
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From ArienAstera at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 14 16:37:51 2004
From: ArienAstera at hotmail.com (arienastera)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:37:51 -0000
Subject: New Mugglenet group
In-Reply-To: <ckld7b+cc2g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckma0v+8ua2@eGroups.com>




> 
> > Sorry for the advertising, but its necessary.  
> 


> Necessary?  Is Mugglenet having problems?  Is cosforums OK?
> 
> David


Just the advertising is necessary.  Mugglenet isn't really having 
problems and there are some people who don't do well with the forums 
(me :))  Thats why I wanted to make this group.  I'm just more 
familiar with this kind of thing, and I'm sure there are other 
people like that.

ArienAstera









From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Thu Oct 14 17:59:57 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:59:57 EDT
Subject: Rowling interview question ...
Message-ID: <100.3a0abb8.2ea0189d@aol.com>

I ran across this quote while reading an October 2000 Q&A JK did with AOL 
members.  I thought it was interesting and wondered if this might occur in the 
next book!

" Is there ever going to be female Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher?
Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling guilty I'm not answering 
so many good questions) that there WILL be. "


"Luna"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."

J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)



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From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Thu Oct 14 18:05:16 2004
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:05:16 -0000
Subject: Rowling interview question ...
In-Reply-To: <100.3a0abb8.2ea0189d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ckmf4s+q5i5@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> I ran across this quote while reading an October 2000 Q&A JK did 
with AOL 
> members.  I thought it was interesting and wondered if this might 
occur in the 
> next book!
> 
> " Is there ever going to be female Defense Against The Dark Arts 
teacher?
> Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling guilty I'm 
not answering 
> so many good questions) that there WILL be. "
> 
> 
> "Luna"
> 
>

2beagles now:
Well, wouldn't Umbridge have satisfied that comment?  I know she 
wasn't much of a teacher, but she still occupied the position and is 
a female.
I would like to see Fleur in the position, but I'm afraid the boys 
wouldn't get much done!

2beagles






From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 14 18:05:52 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rowling interview question ...
In-Reply-To: <100.3a0abb8.2ea0189d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041014180552.99715.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>

It already did happen. Umbridge. As much as I want to
forget her, she was a female and she was the DADA
teacher. But who knows, it could happen again!

~Kathryn
--- LunaLovesHarry at aol.com wrote:

> I ran across this quote while reading an October
> 2000 Q&A JK did with AOL 
> members.  I thought it was interesting and wondered
> if this might occur in the 
> next book!
> 
> " Is there ever going to be female Defense Against
> The Dark Arts teacher?
> Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling
> guilty I'm not answering 
> so many good questions) that there WILL be. "
> 
> 
> "Luna"
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> "... and you have Luna, who is completely out to
> lunch, but fantastic.  I 
> love Luna."
> 
> J.K. Rowling
> Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
> (Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter,
> Hermoine and Luna.)
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 



		
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From wfz at wfzimmerman.com  Thu Oct 14 17:57:14 2004
From: wfz at wfzimmerman.com (W. F.  Zimmerman)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:57:14 -0400
Subject: Rowling interview question ...
In-Reply-To: <100.3a0abb8.2ea0189d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.67.1576049071.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>



Luna:
>>> I ran across this quote while reading an October 2000 Q&A JK did with 
AOL members.  I thought it was interesting and wondered if this might occur 
in the next book!

"Is there ever going to be female Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher?
Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling guilty I'm not
answering so many good questions) that there WILL be."  <<<



Wasn't that Professor Umbridge in Phoenix?  Ooo, I hated her.

 

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From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Thu Oct 14 21:29:16 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:29:16 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rowling interview question ...
Message-ID: <13d.3a93131.2ea049ac@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/14/2004 11:05:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
LunaLovesHarry at aol.com writes:
I ran across this quote <snip> and wondered if this might occur in the 
next book!

" Is there ever going to be female Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher?
Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling guilty I'm not answering 
so many good questions) that there WILL be. "

************************************************************************
The DADA teacher in OoP was a female.  Deloris Umbridge!    But that's not 
saying there couldn't be another one in Half-Blood Prince
Chancie


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From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 14 21:30:08 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (Spiridoula)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:30:08 -0000
Subject: Rowling interview question ...
In-Reply-To: <ckmf4s+q5i5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckmr50+7in0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "twobeaglesgirl" 
<cquinn at m...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> > I ran across this quote while reading an October 2000 Q&A JK did 
> with AOL 
> > members.  I thought it was interesting and wondered if this might 
> occur in the 
> > next book!
> > 
> > " Is there ever going to be female Defense Against The Dark Arts 
> teacher?
> > Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling guilty I'm 
> not answering 
> > so many good questions) that there WILL be. "
> > 
> > 
> > "Luna"
> > 
> >
> 
> 2beagles now:
> Well, wouldn't Umbridge have satisfied that comment?  I know she 
> wasn't much of a teacher, but she still occupied the position and 
is 
> a female.
> I would like to see Fleur in the position, but I'm afraid the boys 
> wouldn't get much done!
> 
> 2beagles

Griffin782002 now:

Nice point. Remember the girls' expressions in the CoS movie when 
Lockhart first introduced to hte class? Well if this happens expect 
the boys to foolish. :-P
Griffin782002






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 14 23:27:40 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:27:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Rowling interview question ...
In-Reply-To: <ckmr50+7in0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041014232740.56367.qmail@web53304.mail.yahoo.com>

Fluer never struck me as particularly competent.  Obviously, she was picked by the goblet, but still... her performance in the 2nd task was very unspectacular.  There seems little substance in her, so far, except a pretty girl who treasures her sister.  I'd rather see a gifted and formidable witch DADA professor.  Perhaps someone from the Advance Guard, but not Tonks.  

Spiridoula <griffin782002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "twobeaglesgirl" 
<cquinn at m...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> > I ran across this quote while reading an October 2000 Q&A JK did 
> with AOL 
> > members.  I thought it was interesting and wondered if this might 
> occur in the 
> > next book!
> > 
> > " Is there ever going to be female Defense Against The Dark Arts 
> teacher?
> > Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling guilty I'm 
> not answering 
> > so many good questions) that there WILL be. "
> > 
> > 
> > "Luna"
> > 
> >
> 
> 2beagles now:
> Well, wouldn't Umbridge have satisfied that comment?  I know she 
> wasn't much of a teacher, but she still occupied the position and 
is 
> a female.
> I would like to see Fleur in the position, but I'm afraid the boys 
> wouldn't get much done!
> 
> 2beagles

Griffin782002 now:

Nice point. Remember the girls' expressions in the CoS movie when 
Lockhart first introduced to hte class? Well if this happens expect 
the boys to foolish. :-P
Griffin782002





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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 06:40:25 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:40:25 -0000
Subject: Rowling interview - Female DADA+ Predictions
In-Reply-To: <100.3a0abb8.2ea0189d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cknrcp+qqvu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> I ran across this quote while reading an October 2000 Q&A JK did with 
> AOL members.  
> 
> " Is there ever going to be female Defense Against The Dark Arts 
> teacher?"
> " Emily, I can exclusively reveal (because I'm feeling guilty I'm 
> not answering  so many good questions) that there WILL be. "
> 
> 
> "Luna"


bboyminn:

As others have pointed out, that particular prophecy was fulfilled
when Umbridge was appointed in The Order of the Phoenix.

However, speculation has been made on this front before, and I've
always thought that Molly Weasley would be a good candidate simply
because it would drive Ron, Ginny, and Harry nuts. I can speculate
many hilarious scenes in which Molly interacts with Ron and Harry much
to their embarassment.

As to the new Book 6 DADA teacher, I'm voting for Snape. If Snape
takes over DADA, then another less strict teacher can take over
Potions, and Harry and Ron will be alowed in the NEWT Potions Class.

In addition, I futher speculate in the same vien that being DADA
teacher would make Snape the faculty advisor for the now official
Dumbdore-endorsed school-wide DA Club. That's got to make for some
good scenes and put Snape in a very awkward situation. 

First Harry will be the one truly in charge of the DA Club, Snape will
just be an advisor. Then of course Draco will join for the sole
purpose of causing disruption. (Insert 'Good Slytherin' theory here)
That makes Snape's postion awkward because he must show some loyalty
and favor to Draco, but his range of action will be limited by the
fact that the bulk of the experienced DA Club members are loyal to
Harry, and again, Harry is in charge.

Finally, if Snape is the DADA teacher in the next book, count on him
being dead by the end. Of course, I think he will die such a heroic
death that he will be fully redeemed in Harry's eyes.

I also predict an uneasy truce between Harry and Snape in the next
book. In the last book, OotP, they both learn thing about each other
that shed new light on their relationship. Snape will begin to
understand that Harry is not James, and that Harry has had a hard
life. Harry, once he gets over blaming Snape for Sirius's death, will
feel a degree of empathy for Snape because he now knows that James and
friends were not very kind to Snape. In fact, they treated him in a
down-right horrible fashion, and that is something Harry can
understand because Dudley and his friends treated Harry the same way.
In summary, they have the common bond of having suffered horrible at
the hands of bullies.

Empphasis on this Harry/Snape truce being UNEASY.

Remember you heard it here first... again (and again and again and again).

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)









From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Oct 15 07:52:04 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Computer, Grint, Religion and Bloom
Message-ID: <1552.4.47.27.206.1097826724.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Computer Problems:
I've had some computer problems for awhile.  This time I tried to do an
update on Windows and what Microsoft recommended knocked out my video card
drivers.  Not helpful because I didn't know what the problem was until I
did process of elimination on why Windows only booted in safe mode.

Rupert Grint:
I had an odd dream the other night where Rupert Grint was a drummer in a
marching band (uniform and all)... and then there was a world disaster
with nuclear war.  It's comical in a bizarre sense.

Religion and Orlando Bloom:
http://katebosworth.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi?action=display&cat=kate&board=kateorlando&thread=1097202682&start=0
"Oct 05, 2004 Orlando Bloom and girlfriend Kate Bosworth at the S.G.I
(Soka Gakkai International) Soka Gakkai International (SGI)-USA is an
American Buddhist association that promotes world peace and individual
happiness based on the teachings of the Nichiren school of Mahayana
Buddhism."

Sonofabitch!  Ever since I was a kid until I was old enough to stay home
alone, I was dragged to these Buddhist meetings because my mom was *very*
religious. {exasperated sigh}  Now that I don't want to go, it figures
Orlando Bloom makes an appearance.

I'm not even going to ask my mom, who was a district leader in Florida for
over a decade, for any contacts that could lead to details.  Figures, a
day late and a dollar short.

{insert more swear words here}

The upside is my computer is up and running again.  The downside is it's
periodically 'freezing up'. :-\

Dina




From jmoses22002 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 11:16:26 2004
From: jmoses22002 at yahoo.com (Joshua Moses)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Rowling interview - Female DADA+ Predictions
In-Reply-To: <cknrcp+qqvu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041015111626.20095.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com>


> bboyminn:
 
> As to the new Book 6 DADA teacher, I'm voting for
> Snape. If Snape
> takes over DADA, then another less strict teacher
> can take over
> Potions, and Harry and Ron will be alowed in the
> NEWT Potions Class.
> 

   
     I believe that Snape was never made the DADA
techer because it would but him in less favorable
position with Voldimort.  If he were the DADA teacher
he would have to tell the kids enough so that they
don't wonder how could keep his job, but not to much
that voldimort start questioning his loyalty.  Just my
thought.
                   -jmoses22002



		
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From koukla_es at yahoo.es  Fri Oct 15 11:20:20 2004
From: koukla_es at yahoo.es (neith_seshat)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:20:20 -0000
Subject: Tolkien discussion groups
Message-ID: <ckobpk+o5qd@eGroups.com>



Good morning to all of you!

I've been trying to use the search button, but no good luck yet, so 
pardon me if it has been asked and replied endlessly.
 
I see that there are quite a few of good Tolkien fans in those 
groups, and I'd be quite grateful if you could point me to some 
discussion groups in the net.

Cheers 

Neith






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 13:03:06 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:03:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20041015130306.30880.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com>

*shuffles feet and hangs head*

You're regularly scheduled Birthday Elf is away at the
moment, so I'm stepping up to fill. And, yes, I'm a
bit late in doing so. 

Anyone know where she stores the decorations?

*rummages through cupboards and closets, opening
boxes*

Ah, here they are! Give me a few minutes to make the
place look nice and we'll start the party.

Belated birthday wishes go out to Grey Wolf and
Cristel, who celebrated on the 11th, and to Constance
Vigilance who celebrated yesterday. Birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to: Grey Wolf at
greywolf1 at jazzfree.com, to Cristel at
cristelmc at yahoo.com and to Constance V at
constancevigilance at yahoo.com

I hope all of you had wonderful days filled with fun,
magic and the company of good friends! 

Cake and goodies will be served shortly, so don't go
away.

Happy Birthday, Grey Wolf!
Happy Birthday, Cristel!
Happy Birthday, Constance Vigilance!

Sheryll the temp Birthday Elf

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From azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 15 13:12:28 2004
From: azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:12:28 -0000
Subject: Brit speak for Americans
Message-ID: <ckoibs+hkfc@eGroups.com>


I noticed a book in Waterstones yesterday I think may be of 
amusement to some of our American cousins.  It's called "The Best of 
British - The American's guide to speaking British"

The related website is here:

 http://www.effingpot.com/

Enjoy!

PGR







From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri Oct 15 13:34:13 2004
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:34:13 -0000
Subject: Brit speak for Americans
In-Reply-To: <ckoibs+hkfc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckojkl+qd6r@eGroups.com>


Interestingly, a large majority of the British slang is common in 
America (subject to region) as well.  I spent 10 years in the US Navy 
and had the opportunity to be stationed on both coasts as well as the 
midwest during my tenure.  The slang is regional - what you hear on 
the west coast might not be common in the east, and vice-versa.

I grew up in California, and now live in Utah.  There are many of the 
slang words on the British list that I grew up with.  The so-called 
American equivalent would seem awkward.

I have both the UK and US editions of the Harry Potter books.  
Frankly, I can't really understand why JKR's American editor saw fit 
to change the books at all, regardless of how minor those changes 
are.  While some expressions may not be as common on this side of the 
pond, they're certainly understood.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <azakitpgr at y...> wrote:
> 
> I noticed a book in Waterstones yesterday I think may be of 
> amusement to some of our American cousins.  It's called "The Best 
of 
> British - The American's guide to speaking British"
> 
> The related website is here:
> 
>  http://www.effingpot.com/
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> PGR






From meidbh at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 15:06:40 2004
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:06:40 -0000
Subject: Rowling interview - Female DADA+ Predictions
In-Reply-To: <cknrcp+qqvu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckop20+3j0v@eGroups.com>


Steve 
"As to the new Book 6 DADA teacher, I'm voting for Snape. If Snape
 takes over DADA, then another less strict teacher can take over 
Potions, and Harry and Ron will be alowed in the NEWT Potions Class."

Meidbh:
I don't think DD would do that. He's finally realised the extent to 
which hostilities between Harry and Snape impede Harry's ability to 
learn. He knows how very very important it is for Harry to master 
DADA skills. IMO Snape blew his chances of DADA master with the 
occlumency fiasco. 

I'm waving my placard to REINSTATE REMUS!

M :-)






From amdorn at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 15 15:49:23 2004
From: amdorn at hotmail.com (amdorn)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:49:23 -0000
Subject: Future DADA Professor prediction
Message-ID: <ckori3+lcnh@eGroups.com>


What/who do you predict will be the sixth year and seventh year DADA 
professors?


I would predict someone from the order as the sixth year DADA 
professor, not Snape.  Possibly Tonks.

I would predict Snape as the DADA professor for Harry's final year.  








From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 15 16:28:20 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:28:20 -0000
Subject: Future DADA Professor prediction (with FF)
In-Reply-To: <ckori3+lcnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckotr4+53ru@eGroups.com>


amdorn wrote:

> What/who do you predict will be the sixth year and seventh year 
DADA 
> professors?
> 
> 
> I would predict someone from the order as the sixth year DADA 
> professor, not Snape.  Possibly Tonks.
> 
> I would predict Snape as the DADA professor for Harry's final year.

I predict that JKR will continue with unknowns for the post in both 
books.  There's an excellent essay on the Lexicon, which says pretty 
well everything there is to say about this issue.

I envisage a conversation something like this at the end of Book 7:

Person (possibly Harry, if he's alive), to Dumbledore:  You really 
do have rotten luck with those Defence Against the Dark Arts 
professors, don't you?  At least s/he died in a good cause.

Dumbledore (twinkling): You know, now that Lord Voldemort has gone, 
I really think I can see my way to letting Professor Snape have the 
job.  It's not the Order of Merlin like Harry's/yours, but perhaps a 
consolation prize is in order.

As you can see, I also predict that Dumbledore will survive the 
series, for reasons of symmetry.

David






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sat Oct 16 02:15:31 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:15:31 EDT
Subject: rowling interview question
Message-ID: <12d.4d79e89f.2ea1de43@aol.com>

"2beagles now:
Well, wouldn't Umbridge have satisfied that comment?  I know she 
wasn't much of a teacher, but she still occupied the position and is 
a female.
I would like to see Fleur in the position, but I'm afraid the boys 
wouldn't get much done!"<

Sure, Umbridge might have satisfied that comment if Umbridge had  done more 
than teach theory only.  She never really taught them 'hands-on' defense as the 
others did.  So, I was wondering if there will be another female in that 
position?!  Just speculating outloud here. 

"Luna"



"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."

J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sat Oct 16 02:23:12 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:23:12 EDT
Subject: Steve - the future of Harry and Snape
Message-ID: <103.521eeba9.2ea1e010@aol.com>

"As others have pointed out, that particular prophecy was fulfilled
when Umbridge was appointed in The Order of the Phoenix.

However, speculation has been made on this front before, and I've
always thought that Molly Weasley would be a good candidate simply
because it would drive Ron, Ginny, and Harry nuts. I can speculate
many hilarious scenes in which Molly interacts with Ron and Harry much
to their embarassment.

As to the new Book 6 DADA teacher, I'm voting for Snape. If Snape
takes over DADA, then another less strict teacher can take over
Potions, and Harry and Ron will be alowed in the NEWT Potions Class.

In addition, I futher speculate in the same vien that being DADA
teacher would make Snape the faculty advisor for the now official
Dumbdore-endorsed school-wide DA Club. That's got to make for some
good scenes and put Snape in a very awkward situation. 

First Harry will be the one truly in charge of the DA Club, Snape will
just be an advisor. Then of course Draco will join for the sole
purpose of causing disruption. (Insert 'Good Slytherin' theory here)
That makes Snape's postion awkward because he must show some loyalty
and favor to Draco, but his range of action will be limited by the
fact that the bulk of the experienced DA Club members are loyal to
Harry, and again, Harry is in charge.

Finally, if Snape is the DADA teacher in the next book, count on him
being dead by the end. Of course, I think he will die such a heroic
death that he will be fully redeemed in Harry's eyes.

I also predict an uneasy truce between Harry and Snape in the next
book. In the last book, OotP, they both learn thing about each other
that shed new light on their relationship. Snape will begin to
understand that Harry is not James, and that Harry has had a hard
life. Harry, once he gets over blaming Snape for Sirius's death, will
feel a degree of empathy for Snape because he now knows that James and
friends were not very kind to Snape. In fact, they treated him in a
down-right horrible fashion, and that is something Harry can
understand because Dudley and his friends treated Harry the same way.
In summary, they have the common bond of having suffered horrible at
the hands of bullies.

Empphasis on this Harry/Snape truce being UNEASY."<<


Wow Steve, that's quite a piece of fanfic you've written there!  I don't 
think Snape will ever be DADA teacher, nor do I believe there will ever be a truce 
between the two.   I base this on the fact that for 5 books he and Harry have 
been enemies and Snape is incapable of letting go of old feelings (hatred for 
James).  Remember Occlumency?
Just my gut feeling.

"Luna"



"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."

J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 19:39:54 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:39:54 -0000
Subject: CNN did a snippet on HP 6 (spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <ck7e61+ks9i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckrtea+l6d0@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote:
> > > For those with access to CNN, they did a brief segment on the 
> > > upcoming book and mentioned how Sirius Black died in OOTP and 
> > > how another character is going to meet its doom in the upcoming 
> > > book.
> > 
> Kelley found a link 
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/10/08/britain.harrypotter.ap/in
dex.html
> >
and noted: 
> > It also states that HBP is "due to be published next year" but
gives no sources for this claim.  Hm...
> 
Debbie commented:
> I'm not sure how much stock to put in the details of this report.  
> It cites JKR's website for the proposition that another character 
> will die in HBP, but she doesn't say in which book. The question 
> was whether JKR would kill off any more characters and the answer 
> was "yes, sorry." <snip>


Carol adds:
And note the writer's assumption that only *one* character will die.
JKR's response could just as easily allow the deaths of several minor
characters and one or two major ones, especially since the question
she answered referred to "more deaths," not "another death." I don't
expect (or want!) a bloodbath in Book 6 or even Book 7, but the war
has started, and it will be quite surprising if only one person dies.

I agree with Debbie that the details of this report are to be taken
with a grain of salt, or rather with a lot of water as they're nothing
but fluff, an expansion of the words "Yes, sorry" into an assumption
that H-BP, like GoF and OoP, will have a single death. The poll on the
CNN site is even less reliable than the article, naming only a handful
of characters, all students, with no option for "Other" or "More than
one." It appears to be aimed at children and created by a person with
only a superficial knowledge of the books (or films). Dedicated
readers of the books have a clearer idea of what to expect than a
reporter who is just filling an alloted number of column inches under
the pretense of providing news or creating a poll for the same
purpose. (IMHO.)

JKR has previously indicated that some favorite characters will die
(of course, her idea of favorite characters doesn't necessarily match
the views of her readers). It would be unrealistic to expect all those
deaths to occur in Book 7, though any really significant ones (Ron?)
probably will.

With regard to Book 6, I personally expect the characters who die to
be members of the Order rather than students--say Remus Lupin and Bill
or Charlie Weasley or maybe Hagrid. Certainly not Neville, Ron, or
Hermione, as the poll suggests. And as posters on the main list have
suggested, maybe it's time for Dumbledore to fall into the chasm in
Moria. Oops, wrong book. I mean, time for Dumbledore to die so that
Harry is without his mentor in Book 7, like Frodo in LOTR (except that
DD will not return in a more powerful form). Death, as JKR has said
repeatedly, is an important theme in these books, and it's time to
develop that theme. It's time, too, that the DEs and Voldemort became
worthy of a climactic final battle. They've been pretty wimpy villains
up to this point (except for the first part of the graveyard scene and
the heartless murder of poor Cedric).

Carol, with apologies for sounding huffy and hoping that she doesn't
also sound bloody-minded as well






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 19:50:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:50:48 -0000
Subject: Chat reminder / Sunday chat
In-Reply-To: <ck8oas+vkc2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckru2o+cg9o@eGroups.com>


Burbs wrote: 
> And, by the way, I've found another fabulous World Clock which the
> more visual amongst us might enjoy.
> http://www.eeph.com/~matthew/worldlive.html

Carol:
Thanks for the link. Which remind me. Does anyone know the URL for a
website where you can use your mouse to move the time as a trail of
numbers all over the screen? Okay, I know I've described that badly,
but the name of the site has something like "sartorius" in it? It's
not for me; it's for the entertainment of a child who likes that sort
of thing. Unfortunately, when the computer people recently "repaired"
my computer, they lost all my bookmarks and I'm still in the process
of relocating.

Carol, still trying not to sulk about the $150 she threw away having
Windows 98 reinstalled






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 20:19:28 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:19:28 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <20041011182034.39745.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ckrvog+8tm7@eGroups.com>


Dina Lerret wrote:
> 
> > I think JKR mentioned she wasn't going to kill off Ron.

MJ responded: 
> I would LOVE to be able to confirm that!  The only concrete thing
I've ever read regarding someone living or dying is that Harry will
live to Book 7, but she hasn't said whether or not he'll live AFTER
book 7.  So, if you know where she's mentioned anybody else, I'd love
to read that material!

Carol notes:
Possibly Dina was thinking of this quote from a 2000 interview:

http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2000/fall00-scholastic-etoys.html

Q: Any hints you could share about what to expect in future Harry
Potter books?
JKR: The theme running through all seven books is the fight between
good and evil, and I'm afraid there will be casualties! Children
usually beg me not to kill Ron. Whenever I tell them this, they seem
to think he is most vulnerable, probably because he is the hero's best
friend!

Or more likely this one, from October 30, 2000:

http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2000/1000-time-staff.htm

JKR: It's great to hear feedback from the kids. Mostly they are really
worried about Ron. As if I'm going to kill Harry's best friend. 

Since GoF came out in 2000, I'm guessing that both quotes refer to the
character who was going to die in OoP, but they may apply to later
books as well (see the wording of the question in the first quote).

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 20:30:49 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:30:49 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <cketii+b68i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cks0dp+5alh@eGroups.com>


Griffin782002 wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> About the attack to Hogwarts, I think it might not be that far 
> fetched. Considering what J.K.R. has said about foreshadowings in the 
> P.o.A. movie, I have been thinking about scenes where we could see 
> Dementors surrounding the castle. Is it possible that they might 
> ordered by L.V. to attack Hogwarts?

Carol responds:
I agree that an attack on Hogwarts is inevitable, but wouldn't it be
anticlimactic to place it in Book 6? That would leave only single
combat between Harry and Voldemort as the climax of Book 7 and the
series as a whole. I think we'll see the war spreading within the WW
outside Hogwarts in Book 6, but no attack on Hogwarts until the end of
Book 7, probably after Dumbledore is dead.

The scene I'm dreading (in Book 7, not 6) is Snape's death--or worse,
a revelation that he's not really on Dumbledore's side. Don't let that
happen, JKR!

For Book 6, I don't want the twins (or one twin) to be killed, but
Molly's boggart and the clock with the hand that points to mortal
peril surely suggests that at least one Weasley will die. I know the
twins are troublemakers sometimes but I like them, especially George.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 20:58:06 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:58:06 -0000
Subject: What's Coming Will Come
In-Reply-To: <20041014110606.39298.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cks20u+dl1g@eGroups.com>


Meidbh wrote:
<snip>
> > I so much want Harry to survive and have a chance of happiness
without any Dursleys, dementors or Dark Lords in the background. You 
know, a pretty pretty cinematic ending involving owls or brooms or
hippogriffs (and of course a scenic Scottish loch).
> > With a great future as an Auror ahead of him. I'm quite sure >
Warner Bros have storyboarded it that way already...
> > 
> > But
> > 
> > In bookworld, I think he might croak it. I can't see what other
ending could be final enough for book 7. <snip>

> 
jmoses22002 wrote: 
>        Lets also not forget that JKR only planned 7
> books.  If Harry does not bite the big one she'll be
> getting letters from everyone, and their grandpa,
> begging for an 8th book. 
>                         

Carol responds:
Maybe. But the final chapter will be an epilogue in which she tells us
the fates of all the surviving major characters (including teachers, I
hope), so there really won't be a need for another book detailing the
happy but boring married life of Ron and Hermione and Harry and Ginny
(or whatever). Also, since the last chapter is an epilogue and the
last word is "scar," surely the last sentence is about a surviving
Harry. Also, it's very easy to write an ending in which you kill off
your main character (almost as easy as marrying him/her off and having
the couple live happily ever after). It's a creative challenge to end
the book some other way so that it feels complete and satisfactorily
finished. I think that JKR is up to the challenge of creating an
ending that hasn't been used all too frequently since story-telling began.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 21:16:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:16:48 -0000
Subject: Rowling interview question ...
In-Reply-To: <20041014232740.56367.qmail@web53304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cks340+8fvb@eGroups.com>


kemper mentor wrote:
> Fluer never struck me as particularly competent.  Obviously, she was
picked by the goblet, but still... her performance in the 2nd task was
very unspectacular.  There seems little substance in her, so far,
except a pretty girl who treasures her sister.  I'd rather see a
gifted and formidable witch DADA professor.  Perhaps someone from the
Advance Guard, but not Tonks.  

Carol responds:
Well, she didn't have Lupin to teach her about Grindylows for the
Second Task, and she had the disadvantage of being stupefied by
Crouch!Moody in the Third Task. But I agree, we're unlikely to see
Fleur as a teacher. She's too busy "eemproving her Eenglish" (sp?)
with Bill. And I don't really like Tonks, who might have trouble
getting the students to take her lessons seriously.

How about Emmeline Vance? She shows up in the Advance Guard and is
obviously a member of the Order, but we learn almost nothing about
her. Same with Hestia Jones. Surely they're in the book for a reason.
Maybe one of them is the next DADA teacher. BTW, Sturgis Podmore is
mentioned in the same paragraph, and will almost certainly play a role
in Book 6 since he's just about to get out of Azkaban. He may be an
important source of information about the newly arrested Death Eaters
(and conditions in Azkaban without the Dementors).

Carol, who likes Ron's description of Podmore as "the one who looks
like his head was thatched"







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 21:34:36 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:34:36 -0000
Subject: Rowling interview - Female DADA+ Predictions
In-Reply-To: <cknrcp+qqvu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cks45c+2qm4@eGroups.com>


bboyminn wrote:
<snip>
> 
> As to the new Book 6 DADA teacher, I'm voting for Snape. <snip>
> Finally, if Snape is the DADA teacher in the next book, count on him
> being dead by the end. Of course, I think he will die such a heroic
> death that he will be fully redeemed in Harry's eyes. <snip>

Carol responds:
I agree with you about the need for a truce between Harry and Snape
(snipped portion of your post), which I hope will start developing in
Book 6. But as to him being moved from Potions, where he's the best
possible candidate despite his unfairness (where will Dumbledore find
anyone who knows as much about potions as he does?), to DADA, where DD
fears he may be tempted to revert to his old ways, I think it's most
unlikely.

Also, of course, it would violate the pattern of a new character as
DADA teacher in every book. And Snape isn't going to die, redeemed or
otherwise, in Book 6 because JKR has plans for him in Book 7:

Q: There's an important kind of redemptive pattern to Snape
JKR: He, um, there's so much I wish I could say to you, and I can't
because it would ruin. I promise you, whoever asked that question, can
I just say to you that I'm slightly stunned that you've said that and
you'll find out why I'm so stunned if you read Book 7. That's all I'm
going to say.

October 12, 1999, interview

http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/1999/1099-connectiontransc.html

Carol, who hopes that Snape will get the DADA position in the epilogue
to Book 7, after the jinx on the position (real or perceived) has ended!






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 21:49:57 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:49:57 -0000
Subject: Tolkien discussion groups
In-Reply-To: <ckobpk+o5qd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cks525+7qsa@eGroups.com>


Neith wrote:
> I've been trying to use the search button, but no good luck yet, so 
> pardon me if it has been asked and replied endlessly.
>  
> I see that there are quite a few of good Tolkien fans in those 
> groups, and I'd be quite grateful if you could point me to some 
> discussion groups in the net.
 
Carol
There's plenty of Tolkien discussion on Usenet (Google groups), but a
lot of it is by people whose obsession with canon (including not just
the Silmarillion but the Lost Tales and everything Tolkien ever wrote)
makes ours in the main HP group look like child's play. I occasionally
read those discussions but would never contribute because I don't want
some fanatic jumping down my throat. No doubt there are Yahoo! groups
for Tolkien fans (maybe some devoted specifically to LOTR) but I've
never searched for them. I'm not sure what you mean about using the
search button. Do you mean for this list? If so, I think you'd have
better luck on the Yahoo! groups homepage:

http://groups.yahoo.com/

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 22:58:36 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:58:36 -0000
Subject: Brit speak for Americans
In-Reply-To: <ckoibs+hkfc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cks92s+ddnk@eGroups.com>


PGR wrote: 
> I noticed a book in Waterstones yesterday I think may be of 
> amusement to some of our American cousins.  It's called "The Best of 
> British - The American's guide to speaking British"
> 
> The related website is here:
> 
>  http://www.effingpot.com/
> 
> Enjoy!


Fun site, thank you. I especially enjoyed learning that a prang is a
dent in a car caused by hitting some object. Harry must have felt a
bit apprehensive on learning that the Knight Bus was driven by Ernie
Prang. No wonder Ern doesn't know what a steering wheel is for.

Carol






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 23:05:31 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:05:31 -0000
Subject: So will anyone dress up? Pity no more Photos!
Message-ID: <cks9fr+e4m1@eGroups.com>


I would love to see if anyone else is dressing up in HP theme for 
Halloween.

I guess there are no more Photos option on this or the main group, 
but maybe we can all post to a web page (I can set up a few)... 

See you in a few weeks,

A.J. (finished several costumes/consulting for various Houses!)






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 23:06:49 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:06:49 -0000
Subject: Future DADA Professor prediction
In-Reply-To: <ckori3+lcnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cks9i9+ts48@eGroups.com>


-amdornwrote:
> 
> What/who do you predict will be the sixth year and seventh year DADA 
> professors?
> 
> I would predict someone from the order as the sixth year DADA 
> professor, not Snape.  Possibly Tonks.
> 
> I would predict Snape as the DADA professor for Harry's final year.


Carol:
Book 6: Maybe someone from the Order, say, Emmeline Vance, but more
likely the lionlike man in the snippet from JKR's website
Book 7: A complete unknown to be introduced in that book
Epilogue (after Harry leaves Hogwarts and VW2 is over): Snape

Carol







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 23:14:18 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:14:18 -0000
Subject: So will anyone dress up? Pity no more Photos!
In-Reply-To: <cks9fr+e4m1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cksa0a+up3q@eGroups.com>


A.J. wrote: 
> I would love to see if anyone else is dressing up in HP theme for 
> Halloween.
> 
> I guess there are no more Photos option on this or the main group, 
> but maybe we can all post to a web page (I can set up a few)... 
<snip>

Are you sure? I tried the Add Photos link just now and it worked fine.
But then I didn't actually upload a photo so I can't be certain.

Carol, who is not dressing up as anything but might watch CoS if she's
alone on Halloween






From fancifulsovereign at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 17 01:08:30 2004
From: fancifulsovereign at hotmail.com (jcm0112003)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:08:30 -0000
Subject: HP and colleges
Message-ID: <cksgme+jsf2@eGroups.com>


Getting ready to apply to college in the next fews months makes me a 
bit younger than most of the members of the HPfGU groups, but I've 
always loved reading HP theories and opinions - especially when 
they're well supported, which I've always found to 
be the case here.  Anyhow, out of curiosity, I was wondering if 
anyone knows of a college or university in the US that has a HP feel 
to it?  For example, I've visited one recently that has put in a 
house system very much like the one in the books.  I'm a huge fan 
and it would be amazing to experience something like a "real world" 
HP situation at the college or university I'll end up attending.  
Any thoughts?

Thanks!


"jcm0112003"






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 03:34:44 2004
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:34:44 -0000
Subject: So will anyone dress up? Pity no more Photos!
In-Reply-To: <cksa0a+up3q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cksp8k+k8mp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
=
> Are you sure? I tried the Add Photos link just now and it worked 
fine.
> But then I didn't actually upload a photo so I can't be certain.

Ah, it's the main group, then, that won't take it.  And this one 
won't take .bmp, but I figured it out.

Will have to post pix of our expanded crew after the parties!

A.J.






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 17 04:02:25 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 04:02:25 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1097985745.24.91944.m10@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 17, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct 17 07:06:30 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:06:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: What was the HP question on VH1?
Message-ID: <1855.4.47.27.202.1097996790.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Damn, I wasn't paying attention to the TV, and when I looked up, I noticed
a question on VH1 about if you're thirty and with Harry Potter...?  I
missed the reply.

Just curious but did anyone catch it?  The question aired on VH1 at 2:54am
EST during the bad dirty songs listing.

Hey, they dissed Ricky Martin's She Bangs!  I like the song--even though I
agree I had no idea what half the song was referencing, so I did a songvid
to it for Harry/Draco.  Sadly enough, I did make the song fit them.

Dina




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 17 07:28:54 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:28:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question on VH1?
References: <1855.4.47.27.202.1097996790.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <020001c4b41a$f578caa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina, what DOES the song reference and
I do love that vid and now hate you for
your skills...or maybe just for your
video editor since I can't get my hands
on a decent one.

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 17 15:02:20 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 15:02:20 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1098025340.14.9367.m23@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 17, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 15:08:17 2004
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HP and colleges
In-Reply-To: <1098011349.685.81289.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041017150817.95419.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com>

The University of Chicago LOOKS like it could be part
of the wizarding world. Much of the campus is built of
gray stone in a Gothic style with gargoyles, etc. A
local bookstore did an OoP release party for kids in
one of the buildings which looks a lot like the great
hall at Hogwarts. It's a beautiful campus in one of my
favorite neighborhoods in the city.
I don't know how they organize the university, but if
you're going for looks, you can't beat U of C.

The adult in me cautions you not to let 'HP feel' be
the main decision making factor for you. Make sure the
school you choose fits with your academic interests
and abilities. But you probably know that already!

Tyler


jcm0112003 wrote:

Getting ready to apply to college in the next fews
months makes me a 
bit younger than most of the members of the HPfGU
groups, but I've 
always loved reading HP theories and opinions -
especially when 
they're well supported, which I've always found to 
be the case here.  Anyhow, out of curiosity, I was
wondering if 
anyone knows of a college or university in the US that
has a HP feel 
to it?  For example, I've visited one recently that
has put in a 
house system very much like the one in the books.  I'm
a huge fan 
and it would be amazing to experience something like a
"real world" 
HP situation at the college or university I'll end up
attending.  
Any thoughts?

Thanks!





		
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From nrenka at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 15:13:33 2004
From: nrenka at yahoo.com (Nora Renka)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:13:33 -0000
Subject: HP and colleges
In-Reply-To: <cksgme+jsf2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cku26t+g5cl@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jcm0112003" 
<fancifulsovereign at h...> wrote:
> 
> Getting ready to apply to college in the next fews months makes me 
> a bit younger than most of the members of the HPfGU groups, but 
> I've always loved reading HP theories and opinions - especially 
> when they're well supported, which I've always found to 
> be the case here.  Anyhow, out of curiosity, I was wondering if 
> anyone knows of a college or university in the US that has a HP 
> feel to it?  For example, I've visited one recently that has put in 
> a house system very much like the one in the books.  I'm a huge fan 
> and it would be amazing to experience something like a "real world" 
> HP situation at the college or university I'll end up attending.  
> Any thoughts?

Well, I don't think you're going to get assigned to anywhere based on 
a magical personality survey at any college you go to, so scratch 
that part. :)  Many colleges have residential divisions, though, 
which often form tight groups that do activities together.  Chicago 
divides its dorms into houses, and the house dynamic is often very 
familial.  Yale, where I'm in residence now (graduate), has a set of 
residential colleges, where all students move into after a first year 
together; and the colleges compete against each other in sports, have 
a resident master (head of house :) and things like that.  Lots of 
quasi-neo-Gothic architecture, too.

If you like the idea of a house system, something that makes student 
living a little more organized and communal than just living in a 
dormitory, there are a number of places that do it--I can only speak 
for what I know.  I found it to be a real plus as an undergrad, to 
have experienced third- and fourth-years around to bug for help and 
all that.

Good luck with the application process--it's unpleasant, as I 
remember...

-Nora sleeps in on a lazy Sunday morning






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 16:06:33 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Lots of Belated Birthdays!
Message-ID: <20041017160633.6811.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com>

*tosses confetti with abandon while bewitching the
streamers to flutter into place*

There, that seemed easy enough. 

We have multiple birthday wishes today. Belated due to
my have serious issues staying connected on my
computer. Sincere apologies to the birthday honourees.

Belated birthday wishes go out to Nethilia, Katze,
Oryomai and Rowan Brook-Thompson. Birthday owls can be
sent care of this list or directly to Nethilia at:
nethilia at yahoo.com, to Oryomai at:
SnapesSlytherin at aol.com and to Rowan at
rowanbrookt at hotmail.com

Before I run off in search of cake and nibblies, I
wish you all a wonderful year and hope your special
days were magical.

*pops out and returns almost instantly with 4 large
cakes and a full cart of sandwiches*

Happy Birthday, Nethilia!
Happy Birthday, Katze!
Happy Birthday, Oryomai!
Happy Birthday, Rowan!

Sheryll, returning you to you regularly scheduled
Birthday Elf :-)

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http://www.livejournal.com/community/conventionalley/
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 20:09:20 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Last word, 'scar'
In-Reply-To: <cks340+8fvb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041017200920.20508.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>

My guess on the last chapter possibly read from an article by Rita for the Quibbler:
 
"The statue of the of the magical beings was destroyed years earlier during the battle where He-who-must-not-be-named fought one of the greatest wizards of the century, Albus Dumbledore.  That pitiful sculpture is now finally being replaced with a new one.  One in which there is a centaur teaching a young wizard, an elf (once called an house elf) wearing mix-match socks and carrying a wand, a young witch with a newspaper under her arm and a wand in her hair and finally, a youthful wizard wearing glasses and on his forhead, a lightning bolt scar."



		
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From pcsgames at toltbbs.com  Sun Oct 17 21:58:40 2004
From: pcsgames at toltbbs.com (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:58:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last word, 'scar'
In-Reply-To: <20041017200920.20508.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <cks340+8fvb@eGroups.com>
 <20041017200920.20508.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20041017175518.01f9c3b8@mail.toltbbs.com>

At 04:09 PM 10/17/2004, kemper mentor wrote:

>My guess on the last chapter possibly read from an article by Rita for the 
>Quibbler:
>
>"The statue of the of the magical beings was destroyed years earlier 
>during the battle where He-who-must-not-be-named fought one of the 
>greatest wizards of the century, Albus Dumbledore.  That pitiful sculpture 
>is now finally being replaced with a new one.  One in which there is a 
>centaur teaching a young wizard, an elf (once called an house elf) wearing 
>mix-match socks and carrying a wand, a young witch with a newspaper under 
>her arm and a wand in her hair and finally, a youthful wizard wearing 
>glasses and on his forhead, a lightning bolt scar."
>
>Now Phill adds,
Also a princely looking goblin about a head shorter than the wizard, with a 
swarthy, clever face, a pointed beard and very long fingers holding a wand.
Phil, guessing about the HBP


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From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 18 04:28:02 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:28:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Plus,
      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question 
     on VH1?
Message-ID: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> Dina, what DOES the song reference and

Good question. {g}  Ricky Martin wants a dominatrix?  I think it's about
him wanting a gal who is sexy and in charge (i.e. 'leather and lace' line)
but he's using some lame pick-up lines.  Heh, I thought 'lame pick-up
lines' = Draco. ;-)  C'mon, 'Potter stinks' is so... five year old. 
Primary/elementary school kids can think up better insults.

I always perceived Draco as wanting Harry's attention, and depending on
the perspective, it could be for better or for worse.


> your skills...or maybe just for your
> video editor since I can't get my hands
> on a decent one.

Probably the editor by Adobe. {g}  I'm still using a Win98SE machine from
March 2000 and don't have the resources for some programs.  The Adobe
software was bundled with a video card and I bought both in used condition
(hey, I'm poor) years ago.  Although, I do experiment around with other
programs--that is... when my computer is actually working.  Guh!  I
couldn't log-on to the internet nearly all day and I'm lucky that it's
even letting me on for *very* brief intervals now.  It's like a shoddy
machine being held together by figurative 'duct tape'.

Anyway, speaking of editing, I caught the FA wank about page design and
you've got to be kidding me.  I've seen worse web design and one thing I
will always be grateful for FA continuing is the *plain*, THANK YOU GOD
PLAIN fic pages. {chuckle}

I've very bad eyesight.  A sad but true story was, when I went to the DMV
for my first drivers license, the lady at the counter asked if I could see
something on line three and I answered with the first thing that came to
mind: "Was there suppose to be something on that line?"  A slightly
amusing story on why I never got glasses before, even though I couldn't
see properly since I was a little kid and failed every eyesight test at
school, was because I never said anything to my mom.

Since a large portion of HP writers are now subjecting me to their LJ
layouts for individual entries, I appreciate plain white pages with no
images attached for simple printouts and saving to an old laptop the size
of luggage.  I know you can do a 'style=mine' but LJ memories don't
bookmark with this added tag/qualifier.

Maybe someone more savvy can tip me on if it's possible to do LJ memories
with the style=mine intact (preferably for free account users). 
Otherwise, I'm left with using my web browser's bookmarks.

Dina






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Oct 18 04:48:13 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:48:13 -0700
Subject: Plus,      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question      on VH1?
References: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <006e01c4b4cd$af1faac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<I always perceived Draco as wanting
Harry's attention, and depending on
the perspective, it could be for better
or for worse.>

Scuse me but...DUH!

<Probably the editor by Adobe. {g}>

Maybe.  I'm on a 98SE so it's hard.

And I so get the bad eyesight thing.  I
have good eyesight (except when I'm
reading fanfiction for hrs on end) but
my hearing's shot.  Stupid ears.

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Mon Oct 18 06:01:55 2004
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:01:55 -0000
Subject: HP scarecrow
Message-ID: <ckvm8j+7knl@eGroups.com>


Thought you all might like to see the Halloween scarecrow on our 
front porch...
http://www.tattersallpub.com/HarryPumpkin.html

And if you want to see some REALLY scary Halloween decorations, see 
what's on the other side of the yard!
http://www.tattersallpub.com/fearsome.html

Happy Haunting!
MsTattersall







From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 18 07:10:09 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 03:10:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Plus,
      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question 
          on VH1?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c4b4cd$af1faac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <006e01c4b4cd$af1faac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1137.4.47.27.198.1098083409.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> Scuse me but...DUH!

{chuckle} Yeah, yeah, Draco is an attention seeking whore.

I prefer bottom!Draco because of how he's portrayed in canon with his
whining and dependency on Crabbe+Goyle and his father.  He's one of these
types where he wants the influence without the work and responsibility. 
As much as I can enjoy veela!Draco fics where Harry is his 'mate', I can't
quite ditch how self-centered Draco is.


> <Probably the editor by Adobe. {g}>
>
> Maybe.  I'm on a 98SE so it's hard.

Older versions should be compatible if my half-working computer is any
example.  Though, I've heard some are intimidated by Adobe's editors,
Premiere and After Effects, because they're not the most user-friendly.


> And I so get the bad eyesight thing.  I
> have good eyesight (except when I'm
> reading fanfiction for hrs on end) but

Amen to that!  When I first got into the online HP fandom, I was reading
so much HP slash.  Sleep, what sleep?


> my hearing's shot.  Stupid ears.

Hm, so if we met in RL, I might get away with Kreacher-like commentary. ;-)

Dina





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Oct 18 07:13:31 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:13:31 -0700
Subject: Plus,      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question           on VH1?
References: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>    <006e01c4b4cd$af1faac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <1137.4.47.27.198.1098083409.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <011301c4b4e1$fa0b43a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<I prefer bottom!Draco because of how
he's portrayed in canon with his
whining and dependency on Crabbe+Goyle
and his father.>

Bottom!Draco is always fun.  Though I
go either way just so long as I read
Draco somewhere so I'm cool.

<Older versions should be compatible if
my half-working computer is any
example.  >

Yes but they're expensive...far too
expensive for me.

<Amen to that!  When I first got into
the online HP fandom, I was reading
so much HP slash.>

I'm on 16hrs a day and always have a
fic open (it distracts me from my
writing which is what I should be
doing).  I think I've read every "good"
H/D fic in existence.

<Hm, so if we met in RL, I might get
away with Kreacher-like commentary.>

You probably could.  Coming to Lumos?

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From flitwicksman at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 12:18:06 2004
From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian Cordova)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:18:06 -0000
Subject: The Burrow
Message-ID: <cl0c9u+ec51@eGroups.com>



  Just to let you all know, we are buying some land about 20 minutes 
out of Tulsa, setting up a very nice double-wide home and calling 
it "The Burrow".  It is a little over an acre, within a small 
cluster of "manufactured homes" in a country setting and will be 
complete with gnomes in the garden and a flying car port (that will 
double as a sun deck, eventually).  We will finally have room for 
all of our Harry Potter collectables.  

  I just hope the muggles are ready for us!

  Brian:-)    






From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 18 21:09:37 2004
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (dan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:09:37 -0000
Subject: Last word, 'scar'
In-Reply-To: <20041017200920.20508.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cl1beh+mu7g@eGroups.com>


kemper mentor wrote:

> My guess on the last chapter possibly read from an article by Rita 
for the Quibbler:
>  
> "The statue of the of the magical beings was destroyed years 
earlier during the battle where He-who-must-not-be-named fought one 
of the greatest wizards of the century, Albus Dumbledore.  That 
pitiful sculpture is now finally being replaced with a new one.  One 
in which there is a centaur teaching a young wizard, an elf (once 
called an house elf) wearing mix-match socks and carrying a wand, a 
young witch with a newspaper under her arm and a wand in her hair and 
finally, a youthful wizard wearing glasses and on his forhead, a 
lightning bolt scar."

Dan:

And I thought I was a Luna fanatic.

Of course, when I think of people in statue, the first thing that 
comes to mind is that they are, well, dead. So what I hear you saying 
is that Firenze, Dobby, Luna and Harry bit the biscuit, while Skeeter 
lives. Also, poor old Albus is mentioned as if in the past too. So 
that's in fact 5 deaths. And Phil adds a goblin. That's 6 deaths.

My question would be, who's reading it?

Dan







From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 18 22:33:04 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:33:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Freebie POP access to Yahoo mail
Message-ID: <2241.4.47.27.215.1098138784.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

As a recent discovery for me, I found this freeware program at
http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/index.php

Huh, it actually works.  I was interested in downloading some emails from
my freebie Yahoo account to my computer (versus forwarding copies to a POP
account) and the thing did the job.

I like tinkering with stuff.

Dina




From shalimar07 at aol.com  Mon Oct 18 23:24:02 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:24:02 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP scarecrow
Message-ID: <155.41370092.2ea5aa92@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/18/2004 1:02:23 AM Central Standard Time, 
cwood at tattersallpub.com writes:
www.tattersallpub.com/HarryPumpkin.html
How cute!!!!


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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Mon Oct 18 23:25:41 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:25:41 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Burrow
Message-ID: <42.5aa1f98b.2ea5aaf5@aol.com>

That would be something to see...I live in Oklahoma City.  Send me a pic 
sometime.


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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Mon Oct 18 23:27:27 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:27:27 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Last word, 'scar'
Message-ID: <d2.19709e3b.2ea5ab5f@aol.com>

Not me!!!!  I'm not buying it. I still have "HOPE".


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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 23:29:23 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Last word, 'scar'
In-Reply-To: <cl1beh+mu7g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041018232923.93068.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>

You're right.  They're dead.  I love Luna, but she seems to be a red shirt.  The people reading the article... the survivors or veterans (of the 2nd war).  
That would be
McG: Head Mistress
Snape:  new DADA prof (he's not DADA in HBP or year 7)
Ron and Hermione:  Not that I'm a big shipper
Neville:  New Herbology prof.
the rest of the Weasley's, except Percy who redeamed himself in death
the Creeveys(sp?)
Draco and Nott: not shipping, though I think bottom!Draco is wicked funny
Flitwick
Moody
Bellatrix: totally coo-coo, and kicking it with the Longbottoms.  Irony.
Cho: being a big cry-baby
and others, but I gotta go so can't type them all.
 
 

dan <lunalovegood at shaw.ca> wrote:

kemper mentor wrote:

> My guess on the last chapter possibly read from an article by Rita 
for the Quibbler:
>  
> "The statue of the of the magical beings was destroyed years 
earlier during the battle where He-who-must-not-be-named fought one 
of the greatest wizards of the century, Albus Dumbledore.  That 
pitiful sculpture is now finally being replaced with a new one.  One 
in which there is a centaur teaching a young wizard, an elf (once 
called an house elf) wearing mix-match socks and carrying a wand, a 
young witch with a newspaper under her arm and a wand in her hair and 
finally, a youthful wizard wearing glasses and on his forhead, a 
lightning bolt scar."

Dan:

And I thought I was a Luna fanatic.

Of course, when I think of people in statue, the first thing that 
comes to mind is that they are, well, dead. So what I hear you saying 
is that Firenze, Dobby, Luna and Harry bit the biscuit, while Skeeter 
lives. Also, poor old Albus is mentioned as if in the past too. So 
that's in fact 5 deaths. And Phil adds a goblin. That's 6 deaths.

My question would be, who's reading it?

Dan






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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Oct 18 23:31:15 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:31:15 EDT
Subject: Subject: Brit speak for Americans
Message-ID: <c4.17f9cb45.2ea5ac43@aol.com>

Thank you for this link!  I laughed and laughed just reading the slang ... 
enlightening reading!  LOL

"Luna"



"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Oct 18 23:51:07 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:51:07 EDT
Subject: Nora - Yale
Message-ID: <e6.5b79cda1.2ea5b0eb@aol.com>

>>"Yale, where I'm in residence now (graduate), has a set of 
residential colleges, where all students move into after a first year 
together; and the colleges compete against each other in sports, have 
a resident master (head of house :) and things like that.  Lots of 
quasi-neo-Gothic architecture, too."<<


Hi Nora,

May I ask what you are studying at Yale?  The campus environment sounds 
incredible.  Whoever suggested U of C had a good idea too.  I grew up in the 
midwest and remember it well.

"Luna" (who is wishing she could go back and do it all over again)



"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 18 23:53:25 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:53:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Plus,
      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question 
               on VH1?
In-Reply-To: <011301c4b4e1$fa0b43a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>   
    <006e01c4b4cd$af1faac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
    <1137.4.47.27.198.1098083409.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <011301c4b4e1$fa0b43a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <2401.4.47.27.215.1098143605.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> Bottom!Draco is always fun.  Though I

Remains among my favorites. :-)  Gah, I now want to read a smutty
bottom!Draco fic.


> go either way just so long as I read
> Draco somewhere so I'm cool.

{g}  I'm more of a Harry whore.  It's interesting [and sometimes scary] to
see where fanon has taken Draco.

Some have referenced the train hexing in OOTP as contributing towards the
'demise' of Harry/Draco but Draco's already been hexed into a mutilated
mess by the end of GOF.  I think the most pressing obstacle OOTP added was
Lucius' imprisonment.  Although, I think this 'obstacle' could create some
additional possibilities.  Draco's obsession with Harry is upped by the
end of OOTP.  After all, desire creates desire and then pain.


> Yes but they're expensive...far too
> expensive for me.

Hm, I could probably help out with very inexpensive software copies, if
you catch my drift; however, I also had books to help me out.


> I'm on 16hrs a day and always have a
> fic open (it distracts me from my
> writing which is what I should be
> doing).  I think I've read every "good"
> H/D fic in existence.

Might partly explain why your completed reading list is *much* bigger than
mine. ;-)  Have you tried Niffling for FA?


> You probably could.  Coming to Lumos?

Nah, can't afford to go.  However, I'd be curious to hear reports from the
con.

Dina





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Oct 19 00:02:23 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:02:23 -0700
Subject: Plus,      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question                on VH1?
References: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>       <006e01c4b4cd$af1faac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>    <1137.4.47.27.198.1098083409.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>    <011301c4b4e1$fa0b43a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2401.4.47.27.215.1098143605.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c4b56e$ea2a7ea0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<Some have referenced the train hexing
in OotP as contributing towards the
'demise' of Harry/Draco >

I just don't see that.  Plus, as you
mentioned, it was quite like the ending
for GoF which didn't kill it.

<Although, I think this 'obstacle'
could create some
additional possibilities.>

It actually frees up a lot of problems.
If Lucy is gone, no one's standing in
Draco's way really if you were going to
go that route.  Well, maybe Voldemort
but he's in everyone's way.

<Draco's obsession with Harry is upped
by the
end of OotP.>

Hun, it isn't upped, it's over flowing
and down the river.

<Hm, I could probably help out with
very inexpensive software copies, if
you catch my drift; >

Very well caught and would be
appreciated though I think we might
need to discuss this privately.

<Might partly explain why your
completed reading list is *much* bigger
than
mine.>

Might. :o)

<Have you tried Niffling for FA?>

You dont' think modding is enough?
*smirk*

I would Niffle, but I can't write a
review to save my life.  I'm more of
"This is good, go read it".  Which is
why I created the "Never Ending
Fanfiction List" Which should be
opening later today or tomorrow
depending on how much my graphic editor
hates me (my graphic artist quit
without warning so I have to finish
them all).

<Nah, can't afford to go.  However, I'd
be curious to hear reports from the
con.>

Aw, no fair.  So far I only know one
person going.  I'm going to have
pictures though...ton's of them.
Mere's going to which is going to be
hilarious because she's only into HP as
far as the movies go (and she read
chapter one of SS).

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 20:09:04 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:09:04 -0000
Subject: Blunder of the day
Message-ID: <cl3s90+d20s@eGroups.com>


As I clicked on the FAQ at JKR's website, I heard ominous music in the
background, church bells clanging, and a man's voice stating, "My job,
mu curse, is to vanquish evil." My heart was pounding. What an
exciting new addition to JKR's site! Was it the new lionlike professor
speaking? Would he be the DADA professor the children really needed to
fight the DEs and Voldemort? What revelations was I going to find in
the FAQ?

And then I realized that the sounds I heard were from the "Van
Helsing" official site loading in another window! :-0  :-p!!!!

Talk about disappointment! Still, I recommend trying the experiment.
It gives a whole new, very ominous feel to JKR's site, on which the
most sinister character is Peeves.

Carol, who did at least manage to chat on Sunday but still feels a bit
foolish






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 20:21:27 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:21:27 -0000
Subject: Eyesight
In-Reply-To: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cl3t07+fvdl@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote: 
> <snip> I've very bad eyesight.  A sad but true story was, when I
went to the DMV for my first drivers license, the lady at the counter
asked if I could see something on line three and I answered with the
first thing that came to mind: "Was there suppose to be something on
that line?"  A slightly amusing story on why I never got glasses
before, even though I couldn't see properly since I was a little kid
and failed every eyesight test at school, was because I never said
anything to my mom. <snip>

I can identify with you. When I went to the DMV and was asked what was
in the third box, I said "Which third box?" I was told to close my
other eye and then I could see the third box but not the first one.
The woman giving the test wrote down a huge "A" on the license to
indicate astigmatism. On top of that, I'm farsighted rather than
nearsighted, so $7.00 reading glasses from Osco help me watch TV (they
work better for my bifocals), but I can't read with them. I'll forget
I have them on and try to read--Oops! Wrong glasses. I've worn glasses
since I was two and a half. I was clinging to the banister going
downstairs and my mother took me to the doctor thinking something was
wrong with my legs!

Carol, who understands exactly why Harry's glasses indicate his
vulnerability








From nrenka at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 20:27:46 2004
From: nrenka at yahoo.com (Nora Renka)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:27:46 -0000
Subject: Nora - Yale
In-Reply-To: <e6.5b79cda1.2ea5b0eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cl3tc2+110o6@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:

> Hi Nora,
> 
> May I ask what you are studying at Yale?  The campus environment 
> sounds incredible.  Whoever suggested U of C had a good idea too.  
> I grew up in the midwest and remember it well.

Hee--I'm actually *cough* something of an expert on both places.  I 
did my undergraduate at the U of C, as a classicist, and I'm 
currently in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences at Yale, doing 
music history.  I hope to write a dissertation on the later operas of 
Richard Strauss, or, more interestingly, the Hellenic operas, and 
trace Hellenism as a theme through his period of German culture and 
his and his librettists (especially Hofmannsthal's) specific 
responses to it.  I also do opera as a general theme, and have a deep 
love for Finnish music, too. (So if you want to talk about opera or 
classical music--mail me!)

Any folks here in the NYC area--you'll find me spending far too many 
weekends at Lincoln Center, slumming for the cheap tickets, trying to 
do work while waiting in line...completely the life for me.

The undergraduates here do have it very nicely, as the Colleges 
(mainly the ones that have been renovated, though) do have that stone 
feel to them, and some real amenities.  I myself also live in an old 
building, with thick heavy ornate windows, and fireplaces in the 
rooms.  The tradeoff--boy do the radiators suck...

> "Luna" (who is wishing she could go back and do it all over again)

Graduate?  Who ever wants to do THAT?  (*the* running sad-but-true 
joke about grad students at Chicago.  People get in there and never, 
ever leave.  One reason I didn't stay...)

-Nora gets down to the dirty side of grad school--the work






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 20:33:19 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:33:19 -0000
Subject: HP scarecrow
In-Reply-To: <155.41370092.2ea5aa92@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cl3tmf+7pda@eGroups.com>


cwood at t... writes:
> www.tattersallpub.com/HarryPumpkin.html
> How cute!!!!
> 
> 
I like the "scary" one, which I e-mailed to my election-obsessed
mother. Very clever!

Carol






From ryokas at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 19 20:34:55 2004
From: ryokas at hotmail.com (kizor0)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:34:55 -0000
Subject: [OT] Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex
Message-ID: <cl3tpf+j0uo@eGroups.com>


I came upon Larry Niven's essay "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex", 
detailing Superman's reproduction problems, again. I had forgotten 
why I shouldn't. At the moment I'm still giggling and sniggering, and 
I have to tell /some/one of this or my head will explode.

Please note that while this link is very matter-of-fact in tone 
(despite being insane) it does contain discussion about sex.

http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html

"Metropolis is shaken by tiny sonic booms. Wormholes, charred by 
meteoric heat, sprout magically in all kinds of things: plate glass, 
masonry, antique ceramics, electric mixers, wood, household pets, and 
citizens. Some of the sperm will crack lightspeed. The Metropolis 
night comes alive with a network of narrow, eerie blue lines of 
Cherenkov radiation."

Sorry. Sorry.

- Kizor






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 20:36:03 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:36:03 -0000
Subject: Last word, 'scar'
In-Reply-To: <d2.19709e3b.2ea5ab5f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cl3trj+q5or@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, shalimar07 at a... wrote:
> Not me!!!!  I'm not buying it. I still have "HOPE".
> 
> 
> 
I agree. Imaginative as it is to have the scar relate to at statue of
Harry, I still see "scar" as the last word in the book suggesting that
Harry is again the Boy Who Lived.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 20:48:01 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:48:01 -0000
Subject: Last word, 'scar'
In-Reply-To: <20041018232923.93068.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cl3ui1+2a71@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> You're right.  They're dead.  I love Luna, but she seems to be a red
shirt.  The people reading the article... the survivors or veterans
(of the 2nd war).  
> That would be
> McG: Head Mistress
> Snape:  new DADA prof (he's not DADA in HBP or year 7)
> Ron and Hermione:  Not that I'm a big shipper
> Neville:  New Herbology prof.
> the rest of the Weasley's, except Percy who redeamed himself in death
> the Creeveys(sp?)
> Draco and Nott: not shipping, though I think bottom!Draco is wicked
funny
> Flitwick
> Moody
> Bellatrix: totally coo-coo, and kicking it with the Longbottoms.  Irony.
> Cho: being a big cry-baby
> and others, but I gotta go so can't type them all.


Carol:
I pretty much agree with this list, except possibly the Creevey
brothers. (Little Dennis is going to pull some kind of spectacular
stunt, but I'm not sure he'll survive.) I think more than one Weasley
(maybe Charlie) will die. Don't know about Flitwick and Moody, but
having Bellatrix survive as a permanent inmate of ST. Mungo's is a
brilliant idea. Perfect poetic justice as long as Neville doesn't have
to cast a Crucio to get her there. Yes to HRH and Neville surviving
with Neville as herbology instructor--Snape's colleague!--Minnie McG
(I mean McGonagall) as Head Mistress and Snape as DADA professor in
the epilogue only, not Books 6 or 7, where he'll teach NEWT Potions
(and yes, HRH and maybe even Neville will somehow be in that class). I
can even see Snape as Assistant Headmaster, McGonagall's righthand
man, after HRH have left. I don't really care about Cho. Maybe she'll
be a casualty, and Harry will suffer confused feelings because he
hadn't forgiven her when she died. That might help him to understand
her confusion over Cedric and Molly's reaction to the twins returning
safely from the TWT after she'd scolded them so severely.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 21:14:51 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:14:51 -0000
Subject: "red herring"
Message-ID: <cl404b+ec8@eGroups.com>


I know the origin of the term "red herring" (used for smoked herring
ca. 1420 and for a smoked herring run across a trail by a fugitive or
poacher to confuse the bloodhounds ca. 1880). I'm also aware of the
use of the term to indicate a logical fallacy (attempting to sidetrack
the reader or listener by avoiding the issue, though I don't have a
date for that). But I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when the term
was first used for a false clue in a mystery. Is it used in the
Sherlock Holmes books? If not, can someone with access to the OED look
it up for me?

Carol, confessing that she's never read a single Holmes mystery






From mercy_72476 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 02:21:09 2004
From: mercy_72476 at yahoo.com (Lisa Mamula)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Subject: Brit speak for Americans
In-Reply-To: <c4.17f9cb45.2ea5ac43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041020022109.75931.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com>

"Luna"-- 
Couldn't find the link; please share again!

Lisa
--- LunaLovesHarry at aol.com wrote:

> Thank you for this link!  I laughed and laughed just
> reading the slang ... 
> enlightening reading!  LOL
> 
> "Luna"
> 
> 
> 
> "... and you have Luna, who is completely out to
> lunch, but fantastic.  I 
> love Luna."
> J.K. Rowling
> Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
> (Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter,
> Hermoine and Luna.)


		
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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Wed Oct 20 09:12:35 2004
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:12:35 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005 Guest speaker Announcement
Message-ID: <cl5a63+m0g3@eGroups.com>


Accio UK is delighted to announce Steve Vander Ark and Elizabeth Kay 
as two of its guest speakers for its Accio 2005 conference being 
held in Reading, UK.

Steve Vander Ark

Steve is the creator and editor of the Harry Potter 
Lexicon website(http://www.hp-lexicon.org), a comprehensive 
reference tool on the Potterverse extensively used by fans and even 
J K Rowling herself as she proved when she bestowed upon Steve's 
site one of her fandom awards. Steve is from Grand Rapids, Michigan 
(U.S.A.), where he works as a School Librarian. He is also director 
of his local community theatre as well as a freelance writer and 
columnist.

Elizabeth Kay

Elizabeth Kay (http://www.elizabeth-kay.co.uk/)  is a poet, writer 
and teacher of Art and Creative Writing.  She lives in Surrey.  The 
Divide, her debut novel for children, was published to enthusiastic 
reviews and has sold over 150,000 copies worldwide, in countries as 
far afield as Japan, Finland, the USA and Canada.   The sequel, Back 
to the Divide, was published in August '04 and is showing every sign 
of being even more successful than the first book.  Elizabeth's 
publisher is Barry Cunningham of The Chicken House - known as the 
man who set up Bloomsbury's  children's list and signed the original 
Harry Potter contract with J K Rowling.  Elizabeth Kay was one of 
the first new writers he signed for The Chicken House.


Accio UK is sponsored by HPfGU and is the first conference of its 
kind in the UK. To be held at Reading University from July 29th-31st 
2005, it is an unofficial, non-profit making, friendly event that 
will bring together academics and adult Harry Potter fans to discuss 
all aspects of J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series. Planned events 
include presentations, panels, speeches, games, a feast, and 
informal discussions into the small hours. All meals are also 
included in the registration fees.

It is recommended that you book prior to 31st October 2004 to take 
advantage of our early bird discount. An instalment plan is 
available.

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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Wed Oct 20 16:29:27 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:29:27 EDT
Subject: Nora, Operas, Yale and more ....
Message-ID: <77.369b9c90.2ea7ec67@aol.com>

<<<Graduate?  Who ever wants to do THAT?  (*the* running sad-but-true 
joke about grad students at Chicago.  People get in there and never, 
ever leave.  One reason I didn't stay...)>>>

Hi Nora,
I enjoyed reading about your studies, your life and your world in NYC!   
Lucky you.  :)  It took me FAR too long to finish my undergraduate degree, and now 
having a child, I find little time for anything, let alone returning to do 
any sort of graduate studies.   I'll live vicariously through you.  :)   Your 
Lincoln Center outings sound terrific ... even with cheap seats.  I'd like to 
start exposing my son to more theater and cultural events ... he's old enough to 
appreciate the art I think.   You know, I wonder, when all is said and done 
with the books and movies, do you think someone will think it's a good idea to 
take Harry Potter to the stage?  Could you imagine a Harry Potter Opera?  LOL  
Now there is a good topic for your dissertation  :)


"Luna"

--------------------------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Wed Oct 20 16:32:16 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:32:16 EDT
Subject: Lisa - slang link
Message-ID: <68.478ea956.2ea7ed10@aol.com>

Here you go .......

http://www.effingpot.com/index.shtml

"Luna"

-------------------------------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 03:53:10 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:53:10 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday x2!
Message-ID: <cl7br6+b6ep@eGroups.com>


*bounces in* Hello, all!  I'm so glad to finally be back to wish 
people the happiest of birthdays again, and so many thanks to dear 
Sheryll for substituting for me!  And despite sickness and work, I am 
here and not late, so let the party begin!

Today's birthday honorees are Kelly, who can be reached for birthday 
owls at kslivlib at yahoo.com, and Jeralyn/the Voicelady.  Wish them 
both wonderful birthdays!

Now, where did she put everything...? *rummages through closets* Ah, 
here we are!  Streamers and balloons...and a nice CD player, 
specially adapted to work in a magical atmosphere just for our 
birthdays!  Kelly or Jeralyn, would you like to pick the music?

And who likes to eat and listen to music at the same time?  Would you 
like some...*pops out, and quickly pops back in* cake?  Good thing we 
have some great cake and ice cream here, so grab a spoon and fork and 
dig in, everyone!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KELLY!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JERALYN!

--Rynny the birthday elf  







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 21 21:59:07 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:59:07 -0000
Subject: "red herring"
In-Reply-To: <cl404b+ec8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cl9bfb+327h@eGroups.com>


Carol wrote:
> 
> I know the origin of the term "red herring" (used for smoked 
herring
> ca. 1420 and for a smoked herring run across a trail by a fugitive 
or
> poacher to confuse the bloodhounds ca. 1880). I'm also aware of the
> use of the term to indicate a logical fallacy (attempting to 
sidetrack
> the reader or listener by avoiding the issue, though I don't have a
> date for that). But I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when the 
term
> was first used for a false clue in a mystery. Is it used in the
> Sherlock Holmes books? If not, can someone with access to the OED 
look
> it up for me?

I'm not sufficiently familiar with the, um, canon, to say whether 
red herrings are mentioned.

However, the OED (New edition) is unhelpful.  It confirms your 
etymology generally but has no mention of when it came into use for 
detective stories specifically.

I recommend you try Sherlock Holmes.  They are short enough that you 
haven't lost much if you try one and don't like it.

David






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Oct 22 02:56:47 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:56:47 -0000
Subject: Nora, Operas, Yale and more ....
In-Reply-To: <77.369b9c90.2ea7ec67@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cl9stf+2nfh@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
do you think someone will think it's a good idea to 
> take Harry Potter to the stage?  Could you imagine a Harry Potter 
Opera?  

We may not yet have Harry Potter the Opera, but we do have Harry 
Potter the Opretta(s) - Gilbert & Sullivan's HMS Pinafore has been 
rendered as HMS Dumbledore:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/hmsdumbledore.htm

and we have two differnt takes on G & S' "Trial by Jury" as "Trial by 
Wizengamot" (OOP, Chap. 8)

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/wizengamot.htm

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/tbw2.htm

   - CMC








From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 22 05:25:08 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "red herring"
In-Reply-To: <cl9bfb+327h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041022052508.4322.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>

In my high school lit class, we read 10 Little Indians by Agatha Christy (not sure about the spelling).  Spoiler Alert!  Spoiler Alert for 10 Little Indieas!  I seem to recall the murderer faked his death and the death (like the other 9) was fortold, I think, by little notes the murderer left.  In his death-note he metions a red-herring.  Of course, I can be totally off the mark as my senior year was some time ago.  Though, I recall enjoying the read.

davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:
Carol wrote:
> 
> I know the origin of the term "red herring" (used for smoked 
herring
> ca. 1420 and for a smoked herring run across a trail by a fugitive 
or
> poacher to confuse the bloodhounds ca. 1880). I'm also aware of the
> use of the term to indicate a logical fallacy (attempting to 
sidetrack
> the reader or listener by avoiding the issue, though I don't have a
> date for that). But I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when the 
term
> was first used for a false clue in a mystery. Is it used in the
> Sherlock Holmes books? If not, can someone with access to the OED 
look
> it up for me?

I'm not sufficiently familiar with the, um, canon, to say whether 
red herrings are mentioned.

However, the OED (New edition) is unhelpful.  It confirms your 
etymology generally but has no mention of when it came into use for 
detective stories specifically.

I recommend you try Sherlock Holmes.  They are short enough that you 
haven't lost much if you try one and don't like it.

David





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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct 22 22:39:32 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:39:32 -0700
Subject: Logistics of a Portkey
References: <20041022052508.4322.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017301c4b888$01bc57c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Alright, the following questions are
rather hard to form awnsers to since
we've only seen portkey use from the
user's point of view, but hopefully you
guys can help me.

1.  If one were traveling on a
broomstick and used a portkey that was
activated to touch, would he disappear
from that situation instantly (like
apparition) or fade away or what?

2.  What, if anything, would an
observer close to the portkeyer feel?
A backrush of wind, the use of
magick...what?

3.  If the user was currently flying on
a broom, would his forward trajectory
keep him moving once wherever the
portkey dropped him off?  Or would that
trajectory change since the portkey is
a motion of it's own (Harry and other
stumble in GoF when they arrive at the
Quidditch World Cup).

4.  Do you have to be on tera firma to
use it?  (or could you be airborne)

Saitaina
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now, and I'm watching those dreams go
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From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Oct 22 23:16:29 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:16:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Logistics of a Portkey
In-Reply-To: <017301c4b888$01bc57c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <20041022052508.4322.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>
    <017301c4b888$01bc57c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <3082.4.47.27.251.1098486989.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Saitaina said:

> Alright, the following questions are
> rather hard to form awnsers to since
> we've only seen portkey use from the
> user's point of view, but hopefully you
> guys can help me.

Hypothetically, of course...

> 1.  If one were traveling on a
> broomstick and used a portkey that was
> activated to touch, would he disappear
> from that situation instantly (like
> apparition) or fade away or what?

I'm under the impression motion is very limited--estimating that breaking
contact with an active portkey is considered impossible or could cause
'splinching'.  Being on a broom while using a portkey would be dangerous
since you'd lose control before (i.e. during the 'pull') and after
transport.

Dangers aside, I'd visualize the effect as a 'fade' based on Harry's
description of being 'pulled' from the navel... hm, the reverse effect of
birth.  While apparating creates an abrupt sound ('crack'), depending on
the wizard.


> 2.  What, if anything, would an
> observer close to the portkeyer feel?
> A backrush of wind, the use of
> magick...what?

Probably a 'vacuum' (blackhole) effect as air rushes to fill the void left
behind.  The strength would be dependent on the level of displacement
(e.g. portkey a giant versus a human).


> 3.  If the user was currently flying on
> a broom, would his forward trajectory
> keep him moving once wherever the
> portkey dropped him off?  Or would that
> trajectory change since the portkey is
> a motion of it's own (Harry and other
> stumble in GoF when they arrive at the
> Quidditch World Cup).

Trajectory would have interference and length of time in the 'vortex' of a
portkey (distance traveled) would also have an affect on prior velocity.


> 4.  Do you have to be on tera firma to
> use it?  (or could you be airborne)

Being fairly still and on the ground would be the safest but I'd think it
possible, if not dangerous, to be on a broom while using a portkey.

Then again, JKR's magical application isn't always logical.

Dina




From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Oct 22 19:52:58 2004
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:52:58 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found fanfiction update
Message-ID: <clboeq+etlb@eGroups.com>



Hi!  For those of you interested in these sorts of stories, I've
finally at long last resumed updating my fanfiction!

Lost Souls Found:  http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/

Severus Snape, and an original female character.   Romance,Drama.
After OotP, Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in DE
activities, OotP Spy role, researcher from Ministry offers to aid and
assist Dumbledore. Snarky Snape, indepth plot. WIP Rated for later
chapters.  

I have just added Chapter 25, I'm polishing Chapter 26 after
recommendations from my Beta, and I have chapter 27 nearly ready to
send to her, so things are moving again.  I am not in any way `giving
up' on this fic, nor am I stalled for where to go?I have it thoroughly
outlined
 I just had a period of `burn out'.  My beta has been very
wonderful in gently nudging me to get writing again, as have several
fans of the story?THANK YOU!!

It is not necessary to read the "Prologue Lost Souls Found", though it
gives childhood background on the characters and is a story unto
itself.  You can find the link to that from my Author Profile page here:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/557897/

I'm "Lisa'sImaginings" on fanfiction.net, and Shanti on
adultfanficiton.nexus and Sycophanthex, though I haven't started
submitting this story there yet.

I hope you enjoy!










From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Oct 23 03:13:30 2004
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:13:30 -0000
Subject: You Can't Make This Stuff Up......
Message-ID: <clci8q+8as0@eGroups.com>


It seems a school in Washington State is cancelling Halloween 
celebrations this year? 

Why? Because of complaints by fundamentalist Christian parents that 
Halloween is a pagan holiday that glorifies witches, ghosts and 
magic, of course.

No, not really!  Here's the real reason.....

 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=184701

   - CMC






From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Oct 23 04:08:10 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:08:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Plus,
      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question 
                    on VH1?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c4b56e$ea2a7ea0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <4316.4.47.27.194.1098073682.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>      
    <006e01c4b4cd$af1faac0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>   
    <1137.4.47.27.198.1098083409.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>   
    <011301c4b4e1$fa0b43a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
    <2401.4.47.27.215.1098143605.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <000b01c4b56e$ea2a7ea0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
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Going backwards through mail...

Saitaina said:

> I just don't see that.

Can't be as strange as reading "Paws in the Night" at
http://www.etc.slashcity.net/archive/viewstory.php?sid=330&i=1

Gah, I'd add it to an 'Adventures' post, but I'm targeting AFF.net and
FF.net.  Wooboy, if you make it past the typos, typical abuse and raping
of an underage Harry, who can morph into various critters, you find out
Lucius Malfoy likes to take care of small animals.

I don't see Lucius as a member of SPCA.


> It actually frees up a lot of problems.
> If Lucy is gone, no one's standing in
> Draco's way really if you were going to
> go that route.  Well, maybe Voldemort
> but he's in everyone's way.

Yep, maybe Draco might learn to stand up for himself when he can't wave
the Malfoy name as some sort of banner.  Then again, Lucius may join both
SPCA and SPEW before that happens... or in other words, until JKR writes
out a legit check for me in the amount of a million dollars = not likely.

Although, I do agree on the idea of Draco 'switching sides' if it meant
self-preservation.


> <Draco's obsession with Harry is upped
> by the
> end of OotP.>
>
> Hun, it isn't upped, it's over flowing
> and down the river.

Perspective. {g}  I think Draco is more obsessed over his hair--or as JKR
describes his hair as 'sleek' which makes me wonder, for all the bashing
on Hermione's hair, if Draco really has a natural 'fro going on that he
hides with sleek easy potion. ;-)


> Very well caught and would be
> appreciated though I think we might
> need to discuss this privately.

Agreed.


> You dont' think modding is enough?
> *smirk*

Of course not. ;-)


> I would Niffle, but I can't write a
> review to save my life.  I'm more of

I can't really do a review either.  It's more a case of writing down
impressions of the fanfic.


> "This is good, go read it".  Which is

I think if you mostly agree with a certain person's tastes in fanfic, recs
are a good thing.  I found that Paws fic via a fic search, which reminds
me of Glassesreflect... Oh my gosh, I was so cracking up when I noticed a
gal post a fic search on the group *and* she was among the folk who wanted
the fic searches removed.  Excuse me for a moment while I start laughing.

...

Anyway, sometimes I find some recommended fic is over-rated.

And speaking of Glassesreflect, I wonder if I was supposed to reply to the
gal looking for 'Dena' because there's a Denan and I know there's a
Harry/Snape writer by the name of Dina.

Have you encountered another person online with the same name as you? 
Y'know, I used to drop the second 'i' in your name by mistake.


> why I created the "Never Ending
> Fanfiction List" Which should be
> opening later today or tomorrow
> depending on how much my graphic editor
> hates me (my graphic artist quit
> without warning so I have to finish
> them all).

How's the site coming along?


> person going.  I'm going to have
> pictures though...ton's of them.

Picspam! Picspam! Picspam!  Of course, within comfort levels for both you
and if you take pictures of others.  Still, isn't Lumos in 2006?


> Mere's going to which is going to be
> hilarious because she's only into HP as
> far as the movies go (and she read
> chapter one of SS).

{g}  I know what it's like to go with a family member who is only familiar
with HP via the movies.  Generally, it's less complaining about what was
axed out.

Though, one thing I won't criticize Chris Columbus on is how he included a
rather long quidditch scene in COS.  For a slasher, it made me a happy
camper.

Dina





From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Oct 23 06:46:43 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:46:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: And if Scabbers had reproduced Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You Can't 
     Make This Stuff Up......
In-Reply-To: <clci8q+8as0@eGroups.com>
References: <clci8q+8as0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4560.4.47.27.251.1098514003.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Caius Marcius said:

> It seems a school in Washington State is cancelling Halloween
> celebrations this year?
>
> Why? Because of complaints by fundamentalist Christian parents that
> Halloween is a pagan holiday that glorifies witches, ghosts and
> magic, of course.

I remember one college had a thing against certain music, movies,
television, sports, and the list went on to ridiculous proportions because
the limitations were supposed to be enforced even outside of school...
like a convent, except it was posing as a college.

Oh, and here's something you *can* make up (long link will probably get
broken - copy paste to complete):
http://www.ooakplanet.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=6&page=1

The site label is 'mini baby mouse scabs'.

Eeek!

Dina





From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 14:21:14 2004
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:21:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You Can't Make This Stuff Up......
In-Reply-To: <clci8q+8as0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041023142114.62536.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>



Caius Marcius <coriolan at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

It seems a school in Washington State is cancelling Halloween 
celebrations this year? 

Why? Because of complaints by fundamentalist Christian parents that 
Halloween is a pagan holiday that glorifies witches, ghosts and 
magic, of course.

No, not really!  Here's the real reason.....


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=184701

   - CMC




Oh good grief!!!!  My family is about as Pagan and Wiccan as they come and not only are my boys going to dress up and go trick or treating, but I am planning on putting a t-shirt on one of my dogs and get out his skateboard and let him ride it through the neighborhood!!  Some people try to mean well but are too clueless.  Other people are too full of themselves.  It goes both ways.  Freedom of religion does not mean freedom so long as it is yours (or mine)!!!  The first two reasons I can buy (though I have been very very very broke and put one of my old dresses on my oldest son... I guess that explains a lot!!).  The last one goes too far!!!

moonmyyst (who's favorite costume was a white t-shirt that said "Happy Halloween, I am a..... "   and then it had a list that included princess, ghost, witch, and vampire)


		
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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Oct 23 04:33:39 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:33:39 -0700
Subject: Plus,  LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP question  on VH1?
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Dina wrote:

<Although, I do agree on the idea of
Draco 'switching sides' if it meant
self-preservation.>

I agree.  I see Draco more of staying
out of it then "switching sides" but if
he saw it in his best interest to play
nice with the side of Light then I
think he would do so.

Of course in reality we all know he's
going to be an eager little boot licker
but it's nice to pretend the boy has a
brain every once in a while.

<I think Draco is more obsessed over
his hair>

Hmm, I always thought it was his
clothes...

<if Draco really has a natural 'fro
going on that he
hides with sleek easy potion.>

GAAAHHH, the mental images!!!

<Of course not. ;-)>

I hate you.

<Anyway, sometimes I find some
recommended fic is over-rated.>

Often happens, which is why I don't
give my impressions of rec'd fics, I
just give the info and if I had a
strong reaction (such as the case with
"In the Closet"), I note it.

<Have you encountered another person
online with the same name as you? >

One, and ONLY one person has a name
similar to mine in my eight year
online.  She's missing an i in her
name.  But chances are if you see
someone with my name, it's me.  Which
is why I choose it.

Freaky girl though...like bondage,
role-playing and making men beg...

*smirk*

<Y'know, I used to drop the second 'i'
in your name by mistake.>

EVERYONE does that at least once.  I've
stopped yelling at people for it.  I
left out the 'n' once.

<How's the site coming along?>

*bangs head on desk*  I forgot that I
did most of the FF.N links before FF.N
changed their URLs so now I have to go
through and fix them all, then upload
the new links, THEN do the grand
opening blitz.  It was easier promoting
my own fanfiction then it is doing
this.  I don't even have a site ad
written up like I had for the old
"Tomes of Knowledge" site.

<Still, isn't Lumos in 2006?>

Oui.

<Though, one thing I won't criticize
Chris Columbus on is how he included a
rather long Quidditch scene in COS.
For a slasher, it made me a happy
camper.>

I think Chris is a slasher at
heart...or he just doesn't notice Tom
F.'s acting...of course there's bits of
it in PoA too but anyway.   That scene
was needed to appease fans.  There was
nothing else really to put there so
they could have it nice and long.  PoA
had a slashed timeline and a lot of
high points to hit so we got just the
basics, Cedric and the Dementors,
although it was hard for me to watch
Cedric and Harry play even for the
short bits and I'm not a C/H fan
myself.

I guess it's that whole bit of knowing
what's coming.  With SS and CoS I could
enjoy the Quidditch because a dead guy
wasn't playing.  With PoA...I nearly
wept when I saw Ced even if it's not
the guy whose playing him next year.
Same with Siri.  There's no happy
ending in store for these two and I
couldn't forget that while watching.

Mere gave me a funny look when I quoted
my LJ icon at the end of Sirius' speech
near the end of PoA ("The ones we love,
never truly leave us"--Sirius  "But you
did"--Me) until I explained it to
her...maybe I shouldn't take her to
movies since I have to explain future
books (during SS Mere went mad for
Scabbers and I had to tell her to just
wait three years and she might change
her mind...plus I kept yelling "PETER"
at the screen so that kind of confused
her).

Gah I rambled on and on!  This is why I
should not have a bowl filled with
Halloween candy next to my desk.

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 23 16:05:28 2004
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:05:28 -0000
Subject: You Can't Make This Stuff Up......
In-Reply-To: <clci8q+8as0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cldvg8+dfv4@eGroups.com>


CMC wrote: 
> It seems a school in Washington State is cancelling Halloween 
> celebrations this year? 
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=184701


What concerns me more is that fact they consider a day of playful
dressup and celebration a waste.  I did manage to learn my alphabet
and arithmatic, even with a *single* day of dress up and candy.  We
even paraded around the school, each grade, to see the other costumes.
 To call a single day off as a waste is a very Scrugg view of the
earth.  Elementary school needs social events as much as scholarly (if
you can call elementary school scholarly ::grin::).  

The world cannot always be serious and driven.  You need time off at
times, even during school, to remember life is more than just
learning.  I guess that is when I agree with Europe in all the days
they get off from work.  Life is more than just your accomplishments.  


Melody






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 22:43:56 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:43:56 -0000
Subject: "red herring"
In-Reply-To: <20041022052508.4322.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <clemrc+10ape@eGroups.com>


I (Carol) wrote:
> > 
> > I know the origin of the term "red herring" <snip etymology> But
I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when the term was first used for a
false clue in a mystery. Is it used in the Sherlock Holmes books? If
not, can someone with access to the OED look it up for me?
> 
David responded:
> I'm not sufficiently familiar with the, um, canon, to say whether 
> red herrings are mentioned.  
> However, the OED (New edition) is unhelpful.  It confirms your 
> etymology generally but has no mention of when it came into use for 
> detective stories specifically.
> I recommend you try Sherlock Holmes.  They are short enough that you 
> haven't lost much if you try one and don't like it.
 
kemper mentor added:
> In my high school lit class, we read 10 Little Indians by Agatha
Christy (not sure about the spelling). <snip reference to a red
herring in the story>

Carol again:
My sense of the term is that it's been around for awhile and was in
use with regard to mystery writing before Agatha Christie. I was
hoping the OED (unabridged) would have a quotation for it in that
sense, possibly from a mystery writer (not necessarily Conan Doyle).
The original OED had a dated quotation for every definition of every
word, if I'm not mistaken.

Can anyone else help me? If not, I suppose I could search an online
edition of the Sherlock Holmes stories (if one exists) and see if I
can find the term.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 23:02:55 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:02:55 -0000
Subject: Logistics of a Portkey
In-Reply-To: <3082.4.47.27.251.1098486989.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <clenuv+rem6@eGroups.com>


Saitaina asked:
> 
<snip>
> 
> > 1.  If one were traveling on a
> > broomstick and used a portkey that was
> > activated to touch, would he disappear
> > from that situation instantly (like
> > apparition) or fade away or what?
<snip>
4.  Do you have to be on tera firma to use it?  (or could you be airborne)

Dina responded:
> I'm under the impression motion is very limited--estimating that
breaking contact with an active portkey is considered impossible or
could cause 'splinching'.  Being on a broom while using a portkey
would be dangerous since you'd lose control before (i.e. during the
'pull') and after transport.
<snip>
 
> Being fairly still and on the ground would be the safest but I'd
think it possible, if not dangerous, to be on a broom while using a
portkey.

Carol notes:
While I can't provide any information regarding logistics, I agree
with Dina that using a portkey while riding on a broom would be very
dangerous. Moreover, it would be, IMO, unnecessary and illogical, like
apparating using Floo Powder. Brooms and portkeys are both forms of
transportation, the portkey being much faster, of course. I can't see
any reason to use both at the same time. If you had a portkey, you
wouldn't need a broom.

Carol






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Oct 23 23:13:30 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:13:30 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Logistics of a Portkey
References: <clenuv+rem6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <013801c4b955$e9d18e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Carol wrote:

<I can't see
any reason to use both at the same
time. If you had a portkey, you
wouldn't need a broom.>

It's for a fanfiction dear.  The person
on the broom is being pursued with a
broom whose twigs are on fire.  It's a
lot easier to portkey out of capture
then to be captured or plummet to their
death...besides, I need him in later
chapters.

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From meidbh at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 23:51:42 2004
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:51:42 -0000
Subject: the Phoenix and the Carpet
Message-ID: <cleqqe+3ivb@eGroups.com>



Impatient with waiting for book 6 I went searching this week for a 
copy of "the Phoenix and the Carpet" by E Nesbit. Her books, 
especially the ones with magic, were firm favourites of mine as a 
child. I was curious to see how they stood the test of time AND to 
see if I could trace any of JKR's inspirations back to their roots. 
It's quite likely her first major encounter with a phoenix (among 
other things) was thanks to E Nesbit. But I was disappointed to find 
that E Nesbit had apparently been purged from the shelves of some of 
the bigger London booksellers. Still available by special order of 
course but not out on the shelf anymore. 

So in shock I turned to the internet and discovered the e-book! What 
a fantastic idea. And I found "the Phoenix and the Carpet" (as well 
as lots of other books). It was still a great read and I really 
recommend you try it.

If you're not convinced yet then try this Gore Vidal essay from 1964 
first
www.nybooks.com/articles/13132

And as for the books, start with "Five Children and It", 
then "Phoenix and the Carpet" and then "The Story of the Amulet". 
All available at
www.classicbookshelf.com/library/e_nesbit/

Not only could she write a good read but she was a fascinatingly 
unconventional and independent woman. Could you imagine sharing your 
home with your husband's mistress and bringing up her children as 
your own? She did. Apparently she "...was always surrounded by 
adoring young men, dazzled by her vitality, amazing talent and the 
sheer magnificence of her appearance. She was a very tall woman, 
built on the grand scale, and on festive occasions wore a trailing 
gown of peacock blue satin with strings of beads and Indian bangles 
from wrist to elbow. Madame, as she was always called, smoked 
incessantly, and her long cigarette holder became an indissoluble 
part of the picture she suggested?a raffish Rossetti, with a long 
full throat, and dark luxuriant hair, smoothly parted. She was a 
wonderful woman, large hearted, amazingly unconventional, but with 
sudden strange reversions to ultra-respectable standards. Her 
children's stories had an immense vogue, and she could write 
unconcernedly in the midst of a crowd, smoking like a chimney all 
the while"
(www.modjourn.brown.edu/mjp/Bios/Nesbit.html)

I could go on but if you're interested you don't need me to say any 
more - happy reading :-)

Meidbh 







From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 00:06:03 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:06:03 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday x2
Message-ID: <clerlb+c8fo@eGroups.com>


*rushes in and stops, panting* Rynny is so sorry that she missed a 
birthday yesterday!  Rynny has been feeling sick, but Rynny is better 
now, and so Rynny will make up for not being here yesterday!

Anyway, yesterday's birthday honoree was Michelle Barnett, who can be 
reached for birthday owls at firefightermichelle at yahoo.com.  Do send 
her something, since poor Rynny was remiss in her duties 
yesterday...      

And today's is Pyrus Japonica!  Send Pyrus Japonica something nice 
for a birthday at pjaponica at yahoo.com!

Now we need a really really big party, because, of course, everyone's 
invited!  We shall let the birthday posters select their choice music 
with the nice magically-adapted CD player here--we've got a nice big 
collection of songs, so you both can choose what you want to listen 
to.  There's plenty of dance music as well! *grins*

*bell sounds* Oh, and there's the cake!  Hold on a minute, everyone, 
while I go get it--no party is a real party without a cake. *pops 
out, and pops back in with cake and ice cream in tow* And some nice 
cold ice cream too...Mmmm...Help yourselves, everyone!

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY, MICHELLE!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PYRUS JAPONICA!

--Rynny the birthday elf







From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct 24 01:40:52 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:40:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Plus,
      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP     
     question  on VH1?
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Saitaina said:

> I agree.  I see Draco more of staying
> out of it then "switching sides" but if
> he saw it in his best interest to play
> nice with the side of Light then I
> think he would do so.

My initial impression is that Draco wouldn't be able to stay neutral based
on his attention whore and bullying aspects.  If he somehow manages to get
into a situation where the 'controlling' side owes him--say something in
Malfoy Manor that could be used--then he'd take advantage.


> Of course in reality we all know he's
> going to be an eager little boot licker

Hehe, nice visual.  Hm, I should invest in some boots... oh wait, I do
have some 'sh!t kickers'.


> but it's nice to pretend the boy has a
> brain every once in a while.

As much as I'd like to see Draco redeemed (like a coupon), I really think
that's something for fanon.  Heck, even the speculation of him considering
being neutral or 'switching sides', sounds like something for fanon based
on how JKR writes and talks about Draco being as cardboard and disposable
as the center of a toilet paper roll.


> <I think Draco is more obsessed over
> his hair>
>
> Hmm, I always thought it was his
> clothes...

{g} I like my metrosexual boys.  I prefer Daniel Radcliffe's POA look
(obvious waxed eyebrows and a higher maintenance 'do) and always thought
Harry should have 'bedhead'--evidently, there's hair product called
Bedhead.


> <if Draco really has a natural 'fro
> going on that he
> hides with sleek easy potion.>
>
> GAAAHHH, the mental images!!!

{chuckle} I was glad Justin Timberlake cut his hair short.  Anyway, I know
some fanfic depicts Draco as having naturally curly hair.  I think one
writer referenced using a parallel to James Marsters' Spike character on
Buffy as a reason for the hair gel.


> <Of course not. ;-)>
>
> I hate you.

Hey!  Where's another mod to step in and say how mean you are to me? ;-) 
That is so unfair no one defends me! {chuckle}  Probably because I can
usually take care of myself... Err, don't read the prior comment with a
gutter mind.


> Often happens, which is why I don't
> give my impressions of rec'd fics, I

Although, by referencing a fic as a 'rec', you're still giving readers
your impression.


> just give the info and if I had a
> strong reaction (such as the case with
> "In the Closet"), I note it.

As time-consuming a job switchknife did on her recs, would you believe I
rarely visit her website?  I think it's because I've gotten used to the
'challenge' factor of wondering if the fic I'll read is 'all that and a
bag of chips'.  Generally, I'll agree with switchknife, and for me, it
takes out the 'adventure' part of wondering if I'll read something like:
[[
Only 5 before by Jes Parker  (1/1 - complete)
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1443715/1/
Author Summary: MPREG!! Harry not only finds out that he's expecting, but
that if he doesn't bond with his soul mate, he nor his baby will survive.
Only problem is, the father doesn't know!

(HP/SS. Could use a beta reader.  I stopped reading somewhere in the
vicinity of Draco performs crucio on Harry and Harry's like 'that was
nothing and back to my school speech'.)
]]

My comments are in the parentheses, but "Only 5 Before" was a 'rec' by
Shadow Bandit, who writes "A Moment in Time".  Hm, I've said Moment is a
fic I'll continue to read, even though it could use a second beta reader,
which makes me wonder how it's passing into FictionAlley.  Beren also gave
a 'rec' rating on "A Moment in Time", however, I criticized Beren's
"Gold-Tinted Spectacles".

Evidently, we all have different opinions... Oh yeah, and I still sucked
as a Niffler too. {g}


> online.  She's missing an i in her
> name.  But chances are if you see
> someone with my name, it's me.  Which
> is why I choose it.

Maybe I should add another 'i' to my name. {g}


> Freaky girl though...like bondage,
> role-playing and making men beg...

I never could get into RPGs, but hey, if it floats other's boats, more
power to them.

Mainly, I've attended the BDSM panels for fanfic purposes, and I noticed a
couple of the leaders of these panels are folks I know.  I used to fly out
to California, New York City, and Chicago for fan conventions.  I was
introduced to my first gay pr0n** movie (with pizza as munchies) at one of
the CA slash cons.  I remember saying pizza and p*rn were a good
combination to my 60+ year old mom--I suspect she may not have understood
what 'p*rn' was (trying to avoid words that would get me thrown into
'bulk/spam' folders).

**Male 'synchronized swimmers' who were doing some synchronized boffing. 
Heh, a couple gals in the room were wondering if the couch had some sort
of stain guard on it.


> <Y'know, I used to drop the second 'i'
> in your name by mistake.>
>
> EVERYONE does that at least once.  I've

Really?  I feel a little bit better than. {g}


> *bangs head on desk*  I forgot that I
> did most of the FF.N links before FF.N
> changed their URLs so now I have to go

Gah, I can understand.  Many fans bookmarked fics under the old format.


> through and fix them all, then upload
> the new links, THEN do the grand
> opening blitz.  It was easier promoting
> my own fanfiction then it is doing
> this.  I don't even have a site ad
> written up like I had for the old
> "Tomes of Knowledge" site.

Site ad?  Like a pic?


> <Still, isn't Lumos in 2006?>
>
> Oui.

Advance planning. {g}


> I think Chris is a slasher at
> heart...or he just doesn't notice Tom
> F.'s acting...

Bit of both. {chuckle}

> of course there's bits of
> it in PoA too but anyway.   That scene
> was needed to appease fans.  There was
> nothing else really to put there so
> they could have it nice and long.  PoA

Yes, but I think some could argue CC wasn't efficient in editing.  As much
as I enjoyed the effects and tension between Harry and Draco, it's
possible to be critical of the choice... Just as I could disagree with
some of Cuaron's choices, however, I loved most of his work.


> I guess it's that whole bit of knowing
> what's coming.  With SS and CoS I could
> enjoy the Quidditch because a dead guy
> wasn't playing.  With PoA...I nearly
> wept when I saw Ced even if it's not
> the guy whose playing him next year.
> Same with Siri.  There's no happy
> ending in store for these two and I
> couldn't forget that while watching.

I guess I was able to put aside future events, including Scabbers, because
the movies visually depicted characters differently from how I imagined
them from the books.  With Cedric, since his role in POA was an estimated
one (i.e. no direct reference), I wasn't reminded of GOF, though I was
like WTF on the lightning bolt.

My bit of a 'slow on the uptake' moment was finally doing an 'estimate' on
spotting Millicent Bulstrode in COS (e.g. in Transfiguration, she was
sitting at the table behind Draco).  I visualized her hair as being
shorter like GG's Pansy in POA and Parkinson having the longer hair.

If I was to pick 'emotional' moments I wish the movies had included, it'd
be Hermione gaining Harry and Ron's friendship in PS/SS and the revelation
of Prongs in POA as James Potter... Gah, that makes me tear up (or maybe
it's a combination of Jim Dale's reading**).  Instead, the emotional
impact of Prongs in POA was redirected to when Harry formed his stag
patronus.

**I managed to *coughunofficiallycough* get copies of both Jim Dale and
Stephen Fry, and I like the *overall* 'performance' aspect of Dale a bit
more because it's like I'm watching a movie versus a book reading.


> her...maybe I shouldn't take her to
> movies since I have to explain future
> books (during SS Mere went mad for
> Scabbers and I had to tell her to just
> wait three years and she might change
> her mind...plus I kept yelling "PETER"
> at the screen so that kind of confused
> her).

{chuckle} I'd also wonder where you're seeing a 'peter'.  Still, it can be
interesting to see how a viewer, who isn't familiar with the books,
perceives the movies.


> Gah I rambled on and on!

I can beat you any day in the ramble department.


> should not have a bowl filled with
> Halloween candy next to my desk.

But it's oh-so yummy!  I saw this Halloween link from the
hp_britglish group:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_britglish/56115.html

Different considering I've now got about 6 lbs of candy because there can
be 25-40+ kids looking for candy in one night.

Dina





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 24 04:02:03 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 24 Oct 2004 04:02:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1098590523.14.53464.m21@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 24, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 24 04:13:18 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:13:18 -0600
Subject: link to a fan fic
In-Reply-To: <cleqqe+3ivb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c4b97f$cb72f3b0$0400a8c0@pensive>

Hi,

For those of you, who like fan fiction, a friend of mine has a story in
progress.  It takes place in the fifth year, but she started the story
before OOTP was released, so it is somewhat alternate universe.  However,
she had some strange similarities. for one thing, she has a weird and
sinister female DADA teacher!  The main character is an American blind girl
from an American witch family, who comes to Hogwarts, because Dumbledore
accepts her and her blindness.  My friend, who is blind, has done some very
interesting things in the ways she handles the idea of blindness and magic.
It's a good story, and I wouldn't recommend it, even if I know it's my
friend's work, if I didn't genuinely think so.  It's got lots of Snape,
Voldemort, death eaters ... 

So, if you're interested, give it a try.  My friend is longing for more
reviews.  Here's the link:

http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/wo2/OE01.html

The story is called Owl Eyes.

Sherry G




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 24 08:06:58 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:06:58 -0700
Subject: Plus,      LJ and FictionAlley  Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What was the HP          question  on VH1?
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Dina wrote:

<based on his attention whore>

You had to say it didn't you.  Any time
the words "Draco" and "whore" reside in
the same sentence my brain goes on
holiday.

<As much as I'd like to see Draco
redeemed (like a coupon), >

I always thought that was used as a
coupon (over and over and over again).

<I really think that's something for
fanon.>

Yup, Yup.

<talks about Draco being as cardboard
and disposable
as the center of a toilet paper roll.>

I just can't wrap my head around
cardboard villains.  I know they exist,
I just don't know WHY.  What's the
point of having someone evil if there's
no motivation for it?  No one is purely
evil, there's a reason, no matter how
inane.  So what is the bloody point of
Draco if there's not some light at the
end of the tunnel or some childhood
damage?  WHAT IS THE POINT?!

*deep breath*

<  I prefer Daniel Radcliffe's POA
look>

*giggles*  Sorry, bad place.

< there's hair product called Bedhead.>

I think I own some...

<Anyway, I know
some fanfic depicts Draco as having
naturally curly hair. >

I always hate those.  I mentally cut
out those mention because really...just
makes me think of Draco with golden
ringlets and thanks but no.

<Hey!  Where's another mod to step in
and say how mean you are to me? ;-) >

Well, they're around here but it
wouldn't be 'another' mod, it would be
A mod since I'm no longer an elf at
this establishment.  I work for FA now
(and various rpg and slash lists).

<Err, don't read the prior comment with
a
gutter mind.>

I'm supposed to have another mind?

<Although, by referencing a fic as a
'rec', you're still giving readers
your impression.>

:o?

<As time-consuming a job switchknife
did on her recs, would you believe I
rarely visit her website? >

Who?

<Author Summary: MPREG!! Harry not only
finds out that he's expecting, but
that if he doesn't bond with his soul
mate, he nor his baby will survive.
Only problem is, the father doesn't
know!>

What the...*fish face*  I don't want to
know...

< I stopped reading somewhere in the
vicinity of Draco performs crucio on
Harry and Harry's like 'that was
nothing and back to my school
speech'.)>

Umm...right.  Steady on then.

<which makes me wonder how it's passing
into FictionAlley. >

A LOT of fics make me wonder this...but
then I shouldn't speak to loudly so no
one looks at my fics back when FA
began...there are some freaky typos in
there let me tell you.  Which is why I
love my current beta who yells at me
over the slightest thing (and then I
promptly smack her).

<"Gold-Tinted Spectacles".>

I think I liked that story....

<I never could get into RPGs, but hey,
if it floats other's boats, more
power to them.>

I think it was role-playing in the
sense that I'm the lord of the manor
and you're the naughty maid....

<Mainly, I've attended the BDSM panels
for fanfic purposes>

That's what they all say, doll.

<I remember saying pizza and p*rn were
a good
combination to my 60+ year old mom--I
suspect she may not have understood
what 'p*rn' was>

Wish my mere didn't...they I wouldn't
get odd looks.  Maybe its' part of
Mere's generation not to discuss you
know, sex and p*rn.

<Male 'synchronized swimmers' who were
doing some synchronized boffing. >

I now want to see this.  I'm sadly
lacking in fine movies such as these.

<Site ad?  Like a pic?>

Not quite.  A site ad is like a
classified ad or newspaper ad (you
know, one of those big expensive full
page ones) that one would do up for a
website and promote it on mailing
lists.  It's basically a hyped up
version of "Go here, it's cool".

<Bit of both.>

Well Chris didn't pay much attention to
anyone's acting.  If he did he would
have noticed Emma's eyebrows trying to
escape her face.  (and just to prove
how much of a hypocrite I am, I adore
Tom Felton's eyebrow raises).

<Just as I could disagree with
some of Cuaron's choices, however, I
loved most of his work.>

*worships Cuaron*

<My bit of a 'slow on the uptake'
moment was finally doing an 'estimate'
on
spotting Millicent Bulstrode in COS >

Millie was in there?  Was she a big
girl?

<I visualized her hair as being
shorter like GG's Pansy in POA and
Parkinson having the longer hair.>

I agree, Milli's supposed to have the
bob.  Of course I kept thinking the
chit next to Draco and co in the
Quidditch scene of SS would make a good
Pansy (pig tail girl).

<and the revelation
of Prongs in POA as James Potter... >

YES!  I had to explain to my mere what
all this meant (much like I had to
explain about Tom Riddle's mum in CoS
and something for SS).

It was like "Animagus, Animagus,
werewolf" and then nada for the giant
glowing stag.  Um...rather important to
the film guys.  Of course I'm not happy
with the special effects for the
patronus OR werewolf so I could be
channeling that anger.

<I'd also wonder where you're seeing a
'peter'. >

Bad mental place, bad mental place

I couldn't help it though, I'm rather
attached to my poor ickle Peter.  If
there was anyone in the books I would
love to have a sit down with it would
be him, (notice I said 'sit-down',
there are other things I would like to
do to other characters).

<I saw this Halloween link from the
hp_britglish group:>

Yes, I heard of this phenomena.  We
actually have no candy here for
trick-or-treaters because I'm
boycotting the holiday.  It's my first
year NOT dressing up and kidnapping
neighbor hood kids in order to not look
like a twenty-three year old going
trick-or-treating (dude, free candy,
like I'm going to pass that up, I have
sweet cavities for a reason).

Completely random but WHY do people
read my fics, and then decide to email
me and tell me how to write?  Not only
that, but WHY do they pic fics I wrote
four + years ago?!  One guy wanted me
to change the title of "Broken Shards"
(umm, Mr. Reviewer sir, A. That fic is
four years old, B. People like that fic
and know it by the name C. The fic is
four years old, D. The title fits, E.
The fic is FOUR years old!), another
told me that "The Dance" moved too fast
and that I should give some build up to
it (er...again A. Three-Four years old,
B. I know that, it was meant to do
that, C. I'm not re-writing a fic I
haven't even looked at in two years, D.
I sucked at writing back then, read
something else if you want something
not written in five minutes, E. I like
it, deal with it).

Maybe I'm just being picky, but if
you're giving constructive
reviews...pick something recent!
People who have 30+ fics to their names
in four years obviously improved (Or
they just really, really suck...).

*mutters* no one bitches about the dead
seven month old but you get one typo
and five people harp on you...

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 24 15:02:27 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 24 Oct 2004 15:02:27 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1098630147.23.30111.m7@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 24, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 24 19:34:40 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:34:40 -0000
Subject: Logistics of a Portkey
In-Reply-To: <013801c4b955$e9d18e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <clh04g+39uj@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> Carol wrote:
> 
> <I can't see
> any reason to use both at the same
> time. If you had a portkey, you
> wouldn't need a broom.>


> Saitaina:
> 
> It's for a fanfiction dear.  The person
> on the broom is being pursued with a
> broom whose twigs are on fire.  It's a
> lot easier to portkey out of capture
> then to be captured or plummet to their
> death...besides, I need him in later
> chapters.
> 
> Saitaina

bboyminn:

It would be unlikely that a person would waste time creating a Portkey
under this circumstance. It would more likely be an occassion to
Apparate. I have always maintained that the Portkey spell, while it
may have a simple incantation 'Portus', is a difficult and dangerous
spell to perform, which is why the Ministry regulates it so closely.
Only highly trained and qualified wizards are given Portkey
authorizations. So, I think Apparation is the answer.

The problem with apparating/portkeying while on a broom is that you
are likely to still have your forward momentum when you touch the
ground. For example, if you are going 40 miles per hour on your broom
and you are forced to Apparate to the ground, you could very easily
still be traveling forward at 40mph when you hit the ground. That
could be very dangerous.

However, I suspect that someone who was highly skilled at either
Apparation or programming a Portkey might be able to allow for the
forward momentum and somehow cancel it out or minimize it.

I think when people travel by Floo, Portkey, and probably Apparate
they are traveling through a different dimension; the magical
dimension. One clue to this is that they do not travel in real-time.
For example, if you Floo Network traveled at 60 miles per hour it
would have taken Harry two to three hours to go from The Burrow to
Diagon Alley in London. The same with their travel to the World Cup,
assuming they Traveled from Stoadshead Hill to somewhere in Scotland,
at normal speeds, that's about a four hour journey. If we assume 400
miles in one minute, for example, that's a real-time speed of 24,000
miles per hour (400miles X 60minutes = 24,000mph). I really don't
think speed like that are possible in the real world, and humans
certainly couldn't take the stress of traveling at that speed in the
open. 

So, in your fan fiction, it seems more practical to Apparate than to
Portkey. In addition, you might want to mention the character
struggling to compensate for the forward speed, and even with
compensation, they should probably tumble and roll across the ground
for considerable distance. Although, that tumbling and rolling
wouldn't be a big problem, it would hurt, but wizards are very
resilient; they aren't easily injured. Neville, after all, was dropped
from a window and thrown off of Blackpool pier without lasting harm.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 24 19:57:04 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:57:04 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Logistics of a Portkey
References: <clh04g+39uj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011001c4ba03$a36092e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Steve wrote:

<So, in your fan fiction, it seems more
practical to Apparate than to
Portkey.>

A great idea...and one I wish I had
thought about before Apparition was
banned and limited only to what's known
as Apparition portals in the fic.
Basically the ministry, under Lord
Voldemort enacted wards across major
areas of Britain to keep the side of
Light from using it as an escape route.
He lost two hundred DE's in the casting
but the wards still stand, especially
around Hogwarts, where this chase takes
place.

I think I finally, with all the input,
have a way to make this work.  Here's
hoping it looks right when I'm done.

So there's a note to all you authors
out there, if you're going to remove
Apparition as an escape
technique...don't need it ten chapters
later or else you've got a right mess.


Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Oct 24 22:09:02 2004
From: azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:09:02 -0000
Subject: Logistics of a Portkey
In-Reply-To: <017301c4b888$01bc57c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <clh95u+akip@eGroups.com>


Hi,

Quidditch Through The Ages does give an example of a broomstick 
Portkey (pg 30):

 ... there have been several incidences of broom-tampering over the 
centuries, the most dangerous being the transformation of the 
referee's broom into a Portkey, so that he or she is whisked away 
from the match halfway through and turns up months later in the 
Sahara Desert.

Hope this helps.
Paul







From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 24 22:13:43 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:13:43 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Logistics of a Portkey
References: <clh95u+akip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015b01c4ba16$ba337d80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Paul wrote:

<Quidditch Through The Ages does give
an example of a broomstick
Portkey (pg 30):>

Paul, I love you.

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct 24 22:25:14 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:25:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Logistics of a Portkey
In-Reply-To: <clh04g+39uj@eGroups.com>
References: <013801c4b955$e9d18e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
    <clh04g+39uj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3338.4.47.27.200.1098656714.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Steve said:

> I think when people travel by Floo, Portkey, and probably Apparate
> they are traveling through a different dimension; the magical
> dimension.

Hm, magical?  Not necessarily.  With enough energy and bending of
space/time, it's possible... Although, probably not any time soon.  I
referenced a 'blackhole effect' and some scientists have theorized on the
intense gravity of a blackhole to propel travel.  There are other theories
floating around, and as much as I used to follow science, I'm sketchy on
them.


> One clue to this is that they do not travel in real-time.

Depends on how you define 'real time'.  Light speed is pretty damn quick,
and with proper shielding, a wizard could utilize the principle.  I'm
estimating that matter is briefly changed into energy, and in this state,
magical travel is achieved and then energy is reverted back into matter. 
Energy also has the capability to travel through solid matter.

What Harry perceives could be towards the beginning and end of the trip of
bodies being jostled.  I'm hypothesizing the 'middle portion' is when the
conversion occurs.


> Diagon Alley in London. The same with their travel to the World Cup,
> assuming they Traveled from Stoadshead Hill to somewhere in Scotland,
> at normal speeds, that's about a four hour journey. If we assume 400
> miles in one minute, for example, that's a real-time speed of 24,000
> miles per hour (400miles X 60minutes = 24,000mph). I really don't
> think speed like that are possible in the real world, and humans
> certainly couldn't take the stress of traveling at that speed in the
> open.

You're going with they're in solid form during travel.


> for considerable distance. Although, that tumbling and rolling
> wouldn't be a big problem, it would hurt, but wizards are very

Although, what we've seen of portkeys from GOF implies some still manage
to remain standing afterwards.

I suspected the question was for fanfic and the reason apparating wasn't
used was because the wizard in question couldn't achieve the effect or was
in an area where there were anti-apparating wards.

Both portkeys and apparating are regulated, so they're both dangerous if
not properly handled, not forgetting security factors too.

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct 24 22:56:59 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:56:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Logistics of a Portkey
In-Reply-To: <clh95u+akip@eGroups.com>
References: <017301c4b888$01bc57c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
    <clh95u+akip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3349.4.47.27.200.1098658619.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Paul said:

> Quidditch Through The Ages does give an example of a broomstick
> Portkey (pg 30):
>
>  ... there have been several incidences of broom-tampering over the
> centuries, the most dangerous being the transformation of the
> referee's broom into a Portkey, so that he or she is whisked away
> from the match halfway through and turns up months later in the
> Sahara Desert.

Now that you mention it, I think GOF might've referenced this.  Hot damn,
goes to show how poor--along with my sorry bank account--my memory is.

I was watching this show on National Geographic (couldn't find a good
movie on elsewhere) about how 'shocking' the body helps stimulate a
person's memory.  For example, a cold shower supposedly increases the
chances of memorizing prior/current thoughts.

Heh, so telling a person to take a cold shower after having a rather
explicit fantasy/reaction will help them remember it... Good advice! :-D

Dina


-- 
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 00:05:54 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:05:54 -0000
Subject: Logistics of a Portkey
In-Reply-To: <011001c4ba03$a36092e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <clhg12+d8mr@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> 
> <So, in your fan fiction, it seems more
> practical to Apparate than to
> Portkey.>
> 
> A great idea...and one I wish I had
> thought about before Apparition was
> banned and limited only to what's known
> as Apparition portals in the fic.
> ...edited...
> 
> I think I finally, with all the input,
> have a way to make this work.  Here's
> hoping it looks right when I'm done.
> 
> ...edited..
> 
> 
> Saitaina


bboyminn:

You propose a very likely scenerio, and I think I have the solution.
My solution is perhaps what you were proposing in the first place, but
it just didn't sink in with me.

Solution-
Transform the BROOM into a Portkey, that way the wizard and the broom
would both travel together, and the wizard could appear in the air
still on the broom at some other location, and just keep flying onward.

Good luck on your story. I don't think very many people, most
importantly the Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters, have really
thought about what the world will be like if Voldemort wins. Voldemort
may be good at coming up with Diabolical, but mostly irrational,
plans, but he is completely incapable of running a functianal society. 

He pictures himself standing on a grand balcony with the wizard world
bowing at his feet, but what is he going to do about the economy and
world trade, what is his foreign policy going to be like? The world 
under Lord Voldemort that I see is a totally disfunctional
impoverished world that is doomed to failure on every front, and with
each failure Voldemort will have to become more dictatoris and
oppressive which means his world just becomes that much more
disfunctional.

Remember-

"Tyranny is the architect of it's own doom."

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)








From meyerjc16 at uww.edu  Mon Oct 25 00:51:58 2004
From: meyerjc16 at uww.edu (ge25y)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:51:58 -0000
Subject: fanfiction
Message-ID: <clhine+5ufm@eGroups.com>


I was just wondering if anyone could direct me to the names of some 
good Harry/Hermione fanfiction?  I've been looking for days and 
haven't come across anything yet.  Thanks
Jennie 






From lists at heidi8.com  Mon Oct 25 01:53:04 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:53:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] fanfiction
In-Reply-To: <clhine+5ufm@eGroups.com>
References: <clhine+5ufm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1098669188.BC698E6@h33.dngr.org>

Have you read Paradigm of Uncertainty? That's probably the first high 
profile H/Hr fanfic - but as Lori started it before even GoF was 
released, and finished it a good two years before OotP came out, it 
doesn't mesh with canon of either of those two books. You can find it at 
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Lori or via the 
ParadigmofUncertainty Yahoogroup.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 8:52pm, ge25y wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone could direct me to the names of some
good Harry/Hermione fanfiction?? I've been looking for days and
haven't come across anything yet.? Thanks
Jennie
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 03:48:36 2004
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "red herring"
In-Reply-To: <clemrc+10ape@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041025034836.44255.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok JC,
I was at my local Powell's bookstore and looked up 'red herring' in their compressed OED in two volumes, where four pages are printed on one page so obviously the print was a bit wee.  It list 'red herring' 'to attempt to divert attention from the real question' first be used in this way in 1686, well before Doyle.  The quote they have is "to draw a red herring across the track. --cf quot. 1686 in Ib'
My understanding after reading up a bit on 'red herring' is that red herring was used to train dogs to track a scent of game or people.  Those evading capture would use red herring--smoked herring-- to throw off the hounds.
I hope you find this a satisfying response to your query.
 

 


		
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From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Mon Oct 25 02:03:34 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:03:34 -0500
Subject: And if Scabbers had reproduced Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You Can't      Make This Stuff Up......
In-Reply-To: <4560.4.47.27.251.1098514003.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <000801c4ba36$d6037e50$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>


Caius Marcius said:

> It seems a school in Washington State is cancelling Halloween
> celebrations this year?
>
> Why? Because of complaints by fundamentalist Christian parents that
> Halloween is a pagan holiday that glorifies witches, ghosts and
> magic, of course.

Dina:
> I remember one college had a thing against certain music, movies,
> television, sports, and the list went on to ridiculous proportions
> because the limitations were supposed to be enforced even outside 
> of school...like a convent, except it was posing as a college.

> Oh, and here's something you *can* make up (long link will probably get
> broken - copy paste to complete):
http://www.ooakplanet.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload
<http://www.ooakplanet.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=i
ndex&req=viewarticle&artid=6&page=1>
&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=6&page=1

> The site label is 'mini baby mouse scabs'.
>
> Eeek!


I heard about a school that cancelled Halloween celebrations because -
get this - they "promote unfair, incorrect images of witches."
Apparently the school was concerned about the Wiccans, Pagans, and other
alternative religious of the community/country. I am happy that it isn't
because of the Christian fundamentalists, but it still is political
correctness at its worst.

(I went to a Catholic grade school. They picked up copies of all the
Harry Potter books from the beginning, without much trouble from the
parents. I just don't get this "Halloween cancellation" business.)
 

~Yb







From Botbyl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 02:09:22 2004
From: Botbyl at hotmail.com (Kara Botbyl)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:09:22 +0000
Subject: Butterfly on JKR's site (Re:  fanfiction)
Message-ID: <BAY13-F39aaz7EjQxzm00010798@hotmail.com>



I don't know if anyone else notices, but you know the butterfly that flies 
around the JKR website, well it used to be blue, it's a brownish color, it 
doesn't seem to do anything differently still flies around the same area and 
still speeds away when you try and grab it. Just thought I would share it 
with everyone else.

"Kara Botbyl"






From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 25 04:31:34 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:31:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Butterfly on JKR's site (Re:  fanfiction)
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-F39aaz7EjQxzm00010798@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY13-F39aaz7EjQxzm00010798@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3520.4.47.27.200.1098678694.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Kara Botbyl said:

> I don't know if anyone else notices, but you know the butterfly that flies
> around the JKR website, well it used to be blue, it's a brownish color, it
> doesn't seem to do anything differently still flies around the same area

The moth's color changes based on day or night times.

I think color is day and brown is night.

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Mon Oct 25 07:06:54 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:06:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fanfic, Slytherins, etc (was Re: Plus, LJ and FictionAlley)
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Saitaina said:

> You had to say it didn't you.  Any time
> the words "Draco" and "whore" reside in
> the same sentence my brain goes on
> holiday.

{g}  I recently read a fic where Draco did 'whore' himself out to Harry,
however, Draco was also the owner of the 'establishment' [of ill repute]. 
Mmm.  Gah, I am such a slasher.


> I always thought that was used as a
> coupon (over and over and over again).

Could be.  I periodically make up phrases.  I use multi-pass (reminiscent
of Fifth Element's Leeloo saying "mul-ti-pass") or sloppy seconds instead.


> I just can't wrap my head around
> cardboard villains.  I know they exist,
> I just don't know WHY.  What's the

Comedy?  Rowling portrays Draco as... pathetic to stuck up bitch at best. 
Plus, it's easier to label Draco as the bully to distract some viewers
from noticing even the 'good' Gryffindors can be bullies too.


> <  I prefer Daniel Radcliffe's POA
> look>
>
> *giggles*  Sorry, bad place.

{g} Anyway, I prefer a femme!Dan.


> < there's hair product called Bedhead.>
>
> I think I own some...

Any good?  I only knew of one gal using the product and... well, I was too
busy looking south of her face towards Thing 1 and Thing 2.


> I always hate those.  I mentally cut
> out those mention because really...just
> makes me think of Draco with golden
> ringlets and thanks but no.

Hehe!  Goldilocks and the Two Bears, Crabbe and Goyle.  I think Orlando
Bloom is the only guy where I like his curly hair.  Then again, he still
manages to look pretty with most of his hair shaved off and even with a
{gag} mohawk.


> Well, they're around here but it
> wouldn't be 'another' mod, it would be
> A mod since I'm no longer an elf at

I'm guessing A mod isn't Peja. ;-)


> this establishment.  I work for FA now
> (and various rpg and slash lists).

What?  I worked all this time to kiss up to you and now you're just a mod
for that insignificant FA site.  Damn!

{chuckle}

Heck, I couldn't even manage to suck up to my supervisor.  Although, I
might be able to do some serious arse kissing and boot licking if someone
writes me out a check with big $$$$$ cha-ching.  I'm not above bribery.
;-)


> I'm supposed to have another mind?

{g}


> Who?

? Switchknife Slash Recs - http://notquiteroyal.net/switchknife/


> What the...*fish face*  I don't want to
> know...

Probably best.  I've forgotten most of the fic.


> A LOT of fics make me wonder this...but

What amused me was finding a beta note, which was HTMLed as a different
colour, left in for this other fic.


> then I shouldn't speak to loudly so no
> one looks at my fics back when FA
> began...there are some freaky typos in
> there let me tell you.  Which is why I

I cringe at some of my older writing but... do you find it hard to get
back into the 'mindset' of a story to make later revisions possible?


> <"Gold-Tinted Spectacles".>
>
> I think I liked that story....

I liked it to a degree but the epithets were excessive in the first
version.  The best description of over-used epithets is characters having
multiple personality disorder.

Harry:
the Gryffindor, the dark-haired boy, the green-eyed boy, the seeker, the
Gryffindor seeker, the brunet, [if a mutant] insert species name, the
smaller boy, the thin boy, the (insert school year), and on and on.

I drew a line somewhere about the time Beren described Ron as the
Gryffindor keeper.  Not only the primary characters but the secondary
characters were subjected to epithets.

I believe there are uses for epithets, but I also think I writer should
use them for a *specific* effect.  I know JKR had characters call Harry
'the seeker' in PS/SS as a way of distancing him.


> I think it was role-playing in the
> sense that I'm the lord of the manor
> and you're the naughty maid....

LOL!  You crack me up.


> <Mainly, I've attended the BDSM panels
> for fanfic purposes>
>
> That's what they all say, doll.

Worked when a business convention was using the same hotel and slashers
kept replying 'a writers' convention' when asked. ;-)  I can understand
why the slash cons set-up door 'guards' to prevent non-members from
entering.


> Wish my mere didn't...they I wouldn't
> get odd looks.  Maybe its' part of
> Mere's generation not to discuss you
> know, sex and p*rn.

Could be but I know some slashers were in their fifties and sixties when I
met them.  Varies.


> I now want to see this.  I'm sadly
> lacking in fine movies such as these.

Me too.  Another gal brought some of her collection.  I believe the movie
was produced by Bel Ami's 'stable'.  Google pulls up some adult links.


> lists.  It's basically a hyped up
> version of "Go here, it's cool".

Ah, gotcha!


> Well Chris didn't pay much attention to
> anyone's acting.  If he did he would

Aww, but I think cuteness kinda makes some things forgivable.


> have noticed Emma's eyebrows trying to
> escape her face.  (and just to prove
> how much of a hypocrite I am, I adore
> Tom Felton's eyebrow raises).

Oh gawd!  Felton's eyebrows cracked me up while he was talking to a
morphed Harry and Ron in the Slytherin common room.


> Millie was in there?  Was she a big
> girl?

I'm guessing the girl is her, and yep, she paralleled CrabbeGoyle in
size--just how I imagined her.  In the COS Transfiguration scene, Draco
sits behind Ron, and if you look behind Draco, a girl sits behind him and
next to Crabbe.


> I agree, Milli's supposed to have the
> bob.  Of course I kept thinking the

I guess my impression of Millie having shorter hair is because Hermione
mistaked cat hair for her hair.  Granted, heads have different length
strands and hair can break but... I still think of Bulstrode's hair as
being more of a pageboy.


> chit next to Draco and co in the
> Quidditch scene of SS would make a good
> Pansy (pig tail girl).

I'll look for her.  I thought Genevieve Gaunt was too cute for Pansy.  I
know at least one person who thinks Gaunt was an extra in PS/SS sorting
ceremony:
http://www.geocities.com/aino_yaji/genevieve.html

The face does look similar but I'm still undecided because the PS/SS pics
have her with a larger chin.


> It was like "Animagus, Animagus,
> werewolf" and then nada for the giant
> glowing stag.  Um...rather important to
> the film guys.  Of course I'm not happy
> with the special effects for the
> patronus OR werewolf so I could be
> channeling that anger.

I'm also one who wasn't happy with the werewolf effect but I thought the
stag was okay until it did a 'supernova'.

The stag is described as charging at the Dementors.  However, I do wonder
how 'intimidating' it'd be if Harry had Hermione's otter patronus or one
shaped like... say a bunny--fear the bunny!


> I couldn't help it though, I'm rather
> attached to my poor ickle Peter.  If
> there was anyone in the books I would
> love to have a sit down with it would
> be him,

I think it's the theorized 'underdog' appeal which Draco has also
acquired.  Some have speculated Peter as the one redeemed in the end via
the 'life debt' to Harry.


> (notice I said 'sit-down',
> there are other things I would like to
> do to other characters).

{chuckle}


> boycotting the holiday.  It's my first
> year NOT dressing up and kidnapping
> neighbor hood kids in order to not look
> like a twenty-three year old going
> trick-or-treating (dude, free candy,
> like I'm going to pass that up, I have
> sweet cavities for a reason).

{g}  I stopped sometime around age 12-13, but I do make up for it by
purchasing candy I like in case there are leftovers.  Office is especially
also a 'raid point' for candy around this time.


> Completely random but WHY do people
> read my fics, and then decide to email
> me and tell me how to write?  Not only
> that, but WHY do they pic fics I wrote
> four + years ago?!  One guy wanted me

Have you placed a timestamp on the actual fic?  Some access fics via
direct links.  I know I frequently don't take date of publishing into
account if the dates are only on an index.  Also, have you updated author
notes to specify what type of feedback?


> that, C. I'm not re-writing a fic I
> haven't even looked at in two years, D.
> I sucked at writing back then, read
> something else if you want something
> not written in five minutes, E. I like
> it, deal with it).

This is partly why I stopped sending writers critiques; I can never be
certain of various factors, even if a writer does specify constructive
criticism is okay.


> Maybe I'm just being picky, but if
> you're giving constructive
> reviews...pick something recent!
> People who have 30+ fics to their names
> in four years obviously improved (Or
> they just really, really suck...).

I can see a rec for a supposed 'classic' of fandom, read it for the first
time, and find it wanting.  Am I no longer allowed to voice an opinion
because a fic is past its 'expiration'?

I encountered an older fic by this one writer and I *knew* she had
improved; yet, I was still critical of the older fic.  The writer could
just shrug off the comments if she ever saw them.

Dina





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 25 07:28:12 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:28:12 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic, Slytherins, etc (was Re: Plus, LJ and FictionAlley)
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> Dina
>
> {g}  I recently read a fic where Draco did 'whore' himself out to Harry,
> however, Draco was also the owner of the 'establishment' [of ill repute].
> Mmm.  Gah, I am such a slasher.
> > know...
>

Can I have a title and address for this it sounds interesting?

K





From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 08:24:17 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:24:17 -0000
Subject: You Can't Make This Stuff Up......
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Melody" <Malady579 at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> CMC wrote: 
> > It seems a school in Washington State is cancelling Halloween 
> > celebrations this year? 
> > http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=184701
> 
> Melody wrote:
> What concerns me more is that fact they consider a day of playful
> dressup and celebration a waste.  I did manage to learn my alphabet
> and arithmatic, even with a *single* day of dress up and candy.


I totally agree with you.  I was sort of mystified when my 
daughter's elementary school principal at their end-of-year 
celebration (lots of cute kids singing and dancing half-randomly, 
but with enthusiasm), detailed for us how this fit curriculum 
requirements.  They're satisfying their music credits 
and ...whatever.  BUt at least they kept the tradition and tried to 
fit the jargon around it.  Sounds like others are going WAY too 
far.  The current drive for standards-based education (at least 
that's the lingo here) seems to leave out little things like... 
imagination.  These poor kids are already doing homework most 
nights... in kindergarten!!  Let 'em dress up and have some fun. 
Sheesh.
Whoa, unexpected rant, sorry, I'll go back to lurking :)
Andromeda







From amdorn at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 15:30:25 2004
From: amdorn at hotmail.com (amdorn)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:30:25 -0000
Subject: Changes on website
Message-ID: <clj66h+tagj@eGroups.com>


I was just at JKR's website and noticed a change.

Could someone please verify it for me.

On the main page, when peeves comes by there was a large brown bug 
that moved across the screen from right to left.  I saw it briefly as 
I was checking the many links within her website.  As it moved across 
the screen I happened to move my mouse over it and it 
was "hightlighted" like I would be able to enter another portion of 
the website.  Unfortunately, it was moving so fast and I was not 
prepared to find something like that so suddenly that I didn't take 
the chance and click it.  I know that it's not the butterfly that 
flies from the left part of the screen to the keyboard and then exits 
on the right side of the screen.  The butterfly has been there since 
the beginning.  This bug is new.

Can anyone verify that this bug actually exists or am I delusional.






From meyerjc16 at uww.edu  Mon Oct 25 15:33:23 2004
From: meyerjc16 at uww.edu (ge25y)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:33:23 -0000
Subject: fanfiction
In-Reply-To: <1098669188.BC698E6@h33.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <clj6c3+dm6d@eGroups.com>


Thank you so much for the link.  The story is really great.  Hope I 
can find some more like this.  Jennie - who is no happy she can wait 
for the next book while reading something that is interesting

- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> wrote:
> Have you read Paradigm of Uncertainty? That's probably the first 
high 
> profile H/Hr fanfic - but as Lori started it before even GoF was 
> released, and finished it a good two years before OotP came out, 
it 
> doesn't mesh with canon of either of those two books. You can find 
it at 
> http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Lori or via the 
> ParadigmofUncertainty Yahoogroup.
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 8:52pm, ge25y wrote:
> > I was just wondering if anyone could direct me to the names of 
some
> good Harry/Hermione fanfiction??? I've been looking for days and
> haven't come across anything yet.?? Thanks
> Jennie
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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Oct 25 16:15:03 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:15:03 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic, Slytherins, etc (was Re: Plus, LJ and FictionAlley)
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Dina wrote:

< recently read a fic where Draco did
'whore' himself out to Harry,
however, Draco was also the owner of
the 'establishment' [of ill repute]. >

I think I read that...although there's
at least three fics with that theme I
can think of so there you go.

<Any good?  I only knew of one gal
using the product and... >

Can't remember since I rarely use it.
Although judging by friends...yeah.

< I think Orlando
Bloom is the only guy where I like his
curly hair. >

Didn't like the Mohawk or the shaved
look, but yes, his curls are rather
pretty.

<I worked all this time to kiss up to
you and now you're just a mod
for that insignificant FA site.>

Don't make me hound PEJA to get a
second mod just so I can kick your
arse.

Speaking of modly things, I was being
stalked and harassed by a friend of a
friend I gave a "un deserved tongue
lashing to" on a mailing list.  I can
only think of two people I've done this
to lately, so who wants to bet five
bucks it's from that mess on
harry_potter_slash.  Geeze.

<? Switchknife Slash Recs -
http://notquiteroyal.net/switchknife/>

Vaguely remember that.

<LOL!  You crack me up.>

I actually read that line in a
Harry/Draco and it's stuck with me.

<eyebrows cracked me up while he was
talking to a
morphed Harry and Ron in the Slytherin
common room.>

Very true.  Am I the only one who
thought it looked like he was hitting
on Ron in CoS with that parting look?

<In the COS Transfiguration scene,
Draco
sits behind Ron, and if you look behind
Draco, a girl sits behind him and
next to Crabbe.>

I need to re-watch that scene.
Although now I wonder why Millie didn't
go with Crabbe or Goyle to the Yule
ball...if you think about it, it would
have been perfect (although it would
crush my long standing theory that the
boys did have dates...each other).

<The face does look similar but I'm
still undecided because the PS/SS pics
have her with a larger chin.>

Eyes and mouth are different.  I'd have
to run it through facial recognition
software (which I don't have at the
moment) to tell you exactly what's off,
but there's something not right.  Could
be her growing older though (not sure).

<but I thought the
stag was okay until it did a
'supernova'>

I always saw the stag as a stag but
glowy, no other lights,no giant
sheildything, just a stag that kicks
arse.

<Some have speculated Peter as the one
redeemed in the end via
the 'life debt' to Harry.>

Oh I hope not, that would suck.

<Also, have you updated author
notes to specify what type of
feedback?>

No on the time stamp and no on the
feedback as I wouldn't get any
otherwise.

<Am I no longer allowed to voice an
opinion
because a fic is past its
'expiration'?>

Shush you.  You're making my rant look
bad.

<The writer could
just shrug off the comments if she ever
saw them.>

S'what I do. I thank them kindly,
mumble about it for a while and move
on. It was just odd to receive two in
one day

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From ArienAstera at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 18:57:42 2004
From: ArienAstera at hotmail.com (arienastera)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:57:42 -0000
Subject: Changes on website
In-Reply-To: <clj66h+tagj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cljib6+vdmc@eGroups.com>


You're not delusional. :)  I think its a doxy, though.  I have tried 
to click on it many times, but have not been able to.  I've never 
seen it high-lighted.  But it is there! 

ArienAstera



> On the main page, when peeves comes by there was a large brown bug 
> that moved across the screen from right to left.  I saw it briefly 
as 
> I was checking the many links within her website.  As it moved 
across 
> the screen I happened to move my mouse over it and it 
> was "hightlighted" like I would be able to enter another portion 
of 
> the website. 
> Can anyone verify that this bug actually exists or am I delusional.






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 22:08:08 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:08:08 -0000
Subject: OT: The Lost Prince
Message-ID: <cljtg8+t04r@eGroups.com>


Did anyone see the PBS Masterpiece Theater presentation of 'The Lost
Prince'. This is the story of King George V and Queen Mary and their
two sons George and John (Jonny). The story starts just before the
first world war. A very heart-wrenching story.

Jonny is the Lost Prince, I believe he was the youngest son and
suffered for epilepsy and probably mild autism. He was pretty much
kept hidden away. The Royal family seemed to be embarassed by his
afflictions. But he had an uninhibited wisom to him.

As I said, the story itself was wonderfully heartwarming as well as
heartwrenching. The boy died very young, I speculate at somewhere
around the age of 12 to 14.

In addition, the movie (in two parts) was followed by a documentary
about the making of the movie, and another documentary about that
period in history and it's relationship to the Royal family. Extremely
interesting and informative. I believe they are going to rebroadcast
it, so if you get a chance, it is well worth seeing.

Just passing it along.

Steve








From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 22:16:49 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:16:49 EDT
Subject: JK's moth
Message-ID: <6b.367f4804.2eaed551@aol.com>

"The moth's color changes based on day or night times.
I think color is day and brown is night."

I've often wondered if there is something to the moth at night and the 
butterfly during the day clue at her site .... is that a Luna Moth?   And is it 
possible that all the coffee cup rings on her desk are really indicative of moons? 
 As in 'Luna?'  



"Luna"
------------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 02:05:12 2004
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:05:12 -0000
Subject: JK's moth
In-Reply-To: <6b.367f4804.2eaed551@aol.com>
Message-ID: <clkbco+jnki@eGroups.com>


I have wondered many times, both in this forum and in my little 
mind, if the coffee cup rings were significant.  I truely believe 
there is more to them than just being background, but I don't have 
the talents for theories that some of my fellow list members have.  
Thanks for bringing it up again, Luna.  Anyone have any cool 
theories about the cresent-shaped coffee stains?  
By the way, I never noticed the butterfly become a moth at night.  
But then again, I haven't been able to get on the flash version of 
the website for months.  I have to sneak-a-peak at work. :D
Cyndi...hoping not to get caught by the boss on her next visit to 
jkrowling.com


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> "The moth's color changes based on day or night times.
> I think color is day and brown is night."
> 
> I've often wondered if there is something to the moth at night and 
the 
> butterfly during the day clue at her site .... is that a Luna 
Moth?   And is it 
> possible that all the coffee cup rings on her desk are really 
indicative of moons? 
>  As in 'Luna?'  
> 
> 
> 
> "Luna"
> ------------------------
> "... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but 
fantastic.  I 
> love Luna."
> J.K. Rowling
> Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
> (Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Oct 26 07:12:26 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:12:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
Message-ID: <1925.4.12.232.15.1098774746.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

I was working on a backlog of stuff and tried tackling the hundreds of
LiveJournal entries I'm behind on.

I came across this one:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/taradiane/245917.html

Daniel Radcliffe pics from one of the morning talk shows (June 2004) and
he's wearing a somewhat sheer light blue [wrinkled] shirt.

One gal commented on the cut of the shirt determining it as being for a
girl... I disagree, I believe it's a guy's shirt.

Granted, I'm a US shopper but I also buy men's shirts for myself.  I've
learned *one way* of telling if a shirt is guy or gal's is by the buttons,
if the shirt is button down.

Gal's have buttons on our left while guy's shirts have buttons on their
right.  I think it had to do with an old tradition of women helping men
button their shirts.

Correct me if I'm wrong.  This is from my own shopping experience.

Dina




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct 26 08:48:10 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:48:10 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
In-Reply-To: <1925.4.12.232.15.1098774746.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cll30a+bs58@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote:
 
> I came across this one:
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/taradiane/245917.html
 
> One gal commented on the cut of the shirt determining it as being 
for a
> girl... I disagree, I believe it's a guy's shirt.
> 
> Granted, I'm a US shopper but I also buy men's shirts for myself.  
I've
> learned *one way* of telling if a shirt is guy or gal's is by the 
buttons,
> if the shirt is button down.

That's the same here in the UK.  Granted, it's not the most macho 
shirt in the world, but then Radcliffe has never struck me as the 
stained string vest type.

> Gal's have buttons on our left while guy's shirts have buttons on 
their
> right.  I think it had to do with an old tradition of women 
helping men
> button their shirts.
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong.  This is from my own shopping experience.

Do you often help men button their shirts in shops?

David






From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Oct 26 10:23:14 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:23:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
In-Reply-To: <cll30a+bs58@eGroups.com>
References: <1925.4.12.232.15.1098774746.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <cll30a+bs58@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2504.4.12.232.15.1098786194.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

davewitley said:

> That's the same here in the UK.  Granted, it's not the most macho
> shirt in the world, but then Radcliffe has never struck me as the
> stained string vest type.

True.

Dina wrote:
>> Correct me if I'm wrong.  This is from my own shopping experience.
>
> Do you often help men button their shirts in shops?

{chuckle} No, I'm buying the shirts for myself and have to try them on. 
Half my shirts are from the men's section.  I have broad shoulders and a
men's medium-sized shirt is comfy.

I just heard the reason why the buttons were on different sides related to
an old tradition.

Dina




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 12:03:45 2004
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:03:45 -0000
Subject: Hallowe'en Fun!
Message-ID: <cllef1+nu1s@eGroups.com>


*enter a group of List Elves, dressed in their Hallowe'en best*

Our favourite holiday is fast approaching and we'd like to do
something special to celebrate with all of you. Yes, we'll decorate
here at OTC and have lots of goodies and fun, but that's not all we
have in mind.

We know you're all going be dressed in your HP finery for the holiday
and we'd like you to share the fun with the rest of us.

If you go to the photos section of the group, you'll see a folder
called "2004 Hallowe'en costumes". Please add your photos so the rest
of us can see how you dressed to celebrate.

We're also going to hold a pumpkin carving contest. We'd like you to
upload the picture of your pumpkin to the folder in the photos section
titled "2004 Pumpkin contest". We'll give you until the 7th of
November to get the pictures in and then we'll have a poll and let
everyone vote for their favourite. The poll will close November 14th,
at which point the winner will be the person who's pumpkin photo
received the most votes.

The prize, you ask? Yes, there is a small prize. The winner will
receive a small item of HP merchandise. Oh, you want to what the prize
is beforehand? Okay, it's a small figure of Professor Quirrell that
sits on top of a box shaped like a copy of PS and can fold down into
the box.

Join the fun and upload your photos!

Sheryll aka Rylly Elf
on behalf of the Admin Team






From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Oct 26 15:07:07 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:07:07 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter  JK Site, Theorys, and Questions (wasRe: JK's moth)
Message-ID: <1f0.2df53503.2eafc21b@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/25/2004 7:06:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
thekrenz at yahoo.com writes:
Cyndi wrote:

I have wondered many times, <snip> if the coffee cup rings were significant.  
I truely believe 
there is more to them than just being background, <snip>.  
Anyone have any cool theories about the cresent-shaped coffee stains?  


Chancie:

Well it's not really cool theory, but I do think that the stain is like the 
moon, and the spots like stars.  It makes me wonder if maybe it has something 
to do with the Centaurs, because we know they definatly pay attention to the 
sky.  I do think it may also have somthing to do with Luna.  

Also, I'm wondering if anyone has a theory on why we hear a dog barking on 
her site?  I was thinking it could have something to do with Sirius, or maybe 
even Lupin when he transforms.  But not really anything more than that.

Chancie~who can't believe she managed to get on the computer and type, after 
her daughter keept her up all night.


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 17:35:17 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:35:17 EDT
Subject: Steve-The Lost Prince
Message-ID: <148.37086889.2eafe4d5@aol.com>

Hi Steve,

I saw it ... what a powerful movie.  I enjoyed it and look forward to it's 
being on again so that I can record it.  I agree it was heart-wrenching ... 
having a son of my own though seems to have made me relate more closely to these 
movies dealing with children, and when they die, well, I fall apart.  
Incidentally,  the woman who played the mother/Queen is Miranda Richardson.  She's been 
cast as Rita Skeeter in GOF I believe.  :)

"Luna"

-------------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 18:18:29 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:18:29 -0000
Subject: "red herring"
In-Reply-To: <20041025034836.44255.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <clm4dl+10v4t@eGroups.com>


kemper mentor wrote:
> Ok JC,
> I was at my local Powell's bookstore and looked up 'red herring' in
their compressed OED in two volumes, where four pages are printed on
one page so obviously the print was a bit wee.  It list 'red herring'
'to attempt to divert attention from the real question' first be used
in this way in 1686, well before Doyle.  The quote they have is "to
draw a red herring across the track. --cf quot. 1686 in Ib'
> My understanding after reading up a bit on 'red herring' is that red
herring was used to train dogs to track a scent of game or people. 
Those evading capture would use red herring--smoked herring-- to throw
off the hounds.
> I hope you find this a satisfying response to your query.

Carol responds:
Thanks. I appreciate your going to the OED, but as I indicated in my
original post, I already know about that particular use of the term.
The quote I'm looking for is the first one that relates to the use of
"red herring" to denote a false clue in a mystery story.

BTW, I was confused for a moment by "JC." Just call me Carol. :-)

Thanks,
Carol







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 18:31:07 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:31:07 -0000
Subject: Changes on website
In-Reply-To: <cljib6+vdmc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clm55b+5lru@eGroups.com>


Amdorn wrote:
> > On the main page, when peeves comes by there was a large brown bug
that moved across the screen from right to left.  I saw it briefly as
I was checking the many links within her website.  As it moved across 
> > the screen I happened to move my mouse over it and it was
"hightlighted" like I would be able to enter another portion of the
website. 
> > Can anyone verify that this bug actually exists or am I delusional.

ArienAstera wrote:
> 
> You're not delusional. :)  I think its a doxy, though.  I have tried 
> to click on it many times, but have not been able to.  I've never 
> seen it high-lighted.  But it is there! 

Carol notes:
I've never seen the doxy highlighted, either. Are you (Amdorn)
thinking of the spider, which can be clicked on only when it pauses on
the newspaper? If you move your mouse over the spider at the right
point, it will glow. Otherwise, you just get the "News" link. And of
course, the spider disappears as soon as you catch it. The doxy, like
the moth and the fly, can't be caught, as it isn't a potion
ingredient--just part of the havoc that Peeves wreaks on every page.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 18:39:49 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:39:49 -0000
Subject: JK's moth
In-Reply-To: <6b.367f4804.2eaed551@aol.com>
Message-ID: <clm5ll+d67k@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> "The moth's color changes based on day or night times.
> I think color is day and brown is night."
> 
> I've often wondered if there is something to the moth at night and the 
> butterfly during the day clue at her site .... is that a Luna Moth?
  And is it 
> possible that all the coffee cup rings on her desk are really
indicative of moons? 
>  As in 'Luna?'  
> 
> 
> 
> "Luna"

Carol responds:
I think it's a moth at all times. The color changes, but the fat,
rounded body doesn't. (Butterflies have slender bodies.) I tried to
check the antennae (they should be feathery for a moth, slender and
knobbed for a butterfly) but my eyesight is too poor--or the art isn't
sufficiently detailed.

I don't think it's a luna moth, which is pale green and has long
swallowtails on its wings

http://www.wmnh.com/ptiab20.jpg

but it's an interesting idea.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 18:53:07 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:53:07 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter  JK Site, Theorys, and Questions (wasRe: JK's moth)
In-Reply-To: <1f0.2df53503.2eafc21b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <clm6ej+d2uo@eGroups.com>


Cyndi wrote:
> 
> I have wondered many times, <snip> if the coffee cup rings were
significant.  
> I truely believe there is more to them than just being background,
<snip>.  
> Anyone have any cool theories about the cresent-shaped coffee stains?  
> 
> 
> Chancie responded:
> 
> Well it's not really cool theory, but I do think that the stain is
like the moon, and the spots like stars.  It makes me wonder if maybe
it has something to do with the Centaurs, because we know they
definatly pay attention to the sky.  I do think it may also have
somthing to do with Luna.  
> 
> Also, I'm wondering if anyone has a theory on why we hear a dog
barking on her site?  I was thinking it could have something to do
with Sirius, or maybe even Lupin when he transforms.  But not really
anything more than that.


Carol responds:
And here I was thinking that it was just a realistic, if exaggerated,
depiction of her real desk and her real addiction (for lack of a
better word) to coffee and gum (in place of cigarettes), along with
the sounds of traffic, dogs, birds, and monotonous radio music that
she would really hear as she worked and periodic interruptions from
phone calls and ringing doorbells. Rather like my desk and the sounds
I hear when the windows are open, as they finally are now that it's
fall and the air conditioning is off. (Of course, I don't have to
worry about Peeves knocking over my cup of pens or doxies crossing my
desk, but I do have to put up with annoying unsolicited phone calls!)

In any case, the dog can't be Lupin because it barks (rather than
howls) in the daytime. I suppose it could relate to Sirius, but I
think it's just background noise like the birds and cars.

Carol, with apologies for being unimaginative






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 19:27:27 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:27:27 -0000
Subject: Lament for John Peel..
Message-ID: <clm8ev+rci5@eGroups.com>


It's just been announced that John Peel, one of the most influential 
British DJs ever, has died of heart attack whilst travelling in, of 
all places, Peru. He was only 65.

Don't know how well-known he was outside the UK, but over here he has 
sought out, defined and encouraged subversive high quality music for 
nearly 40 years. Impossible to categorise - he found good stuff from 
anywhere in the world, and rolled it all together with his dead-pan, 
gravel voice into a series of inimitable, almost surreal cult shows 
that have been required listening for decades. Beatles, Pink Floyd, 
punk rock, he was there, picking it up when they were all still 
completely unknown weirdos, and is/was still going strong on the 
cutting edge until a week or so ago, with stuff I couldn't begin to 
name anymore.

Like millions of others, I grew up with, and fell asleep listening to 
his late night show all through my teens and well into my late 
twenties, and continued to catch up with him often ever since. He 
seemed indestructible, and now I feel like part of my youth has truly 
gone forever.

Carolyn
Pretty cut up







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 19:34:05 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:34:05 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee (Was: JK Site, Theorys, and Questions)
In-Reply-To: <clm6ej+d2uo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clm8rd+909o@eGroups.com>


Small correction to my own response here.

I (Carol) wrote:
> And here I was thinking that it was just a realistic, if
exaggerated, depiction of her real desk and her real addiction (for
lack of a better word) to coffee and gum (in place of cigarettes),
along with the sounds of traffic, dogs, birds, and monotonous radio
music that she would really hear as she worked and periodic
interruptions from
> phone calls and ringing doorbells. Rather like my desk and the sounds
> I hear when the windows are open <snip>

Carol again:
Being American and fond of coffee, I forgot that as a Brit, JKR is
much more likely to drink tea than coffee--Chinese green tea, from the
looks of the residue. Maybe there's a small suggestion of Trelawney
and divination there . . . .

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 19:44:35 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:44:35 -0000
Subject: "red herring"
In-Reply-To: <clm4dl+10v4t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clm9f3+cbea@eGroups.com>


I (Carol) wrote:
> Thanks. I appreciate your going to the OED, but as I indicated in my
> original post, I already know about that particular use of the term.
> The quote I'm looking for is the first one that relates to the use
of "red herring" to denote a false clue in a mystery story.

Response to my own post:

I seem to have found a reference to "red herring" in a 1904 Sherlock
Holmes story, "Adventure of the Priory School":

Holmes is speaking: "If you are telegraphing home, Mr. Huxtable, it
would be well to allow the people in your neighbourhood to imagine
that the inquiry is still going on in Liverpool, or *wherever else
that red herring led your pack*. In the meantime I will do a little
quiet work at your own doors, and *perhaps the scent is not so cold
but that two old hounds like Watson and myself may get a sniff of it*."

Does anyone know of a similar, and preferably earlier, reference? The
use of the term here seems to imply that the reader will already be
familiar with it.

Thanks,
Carol






From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 26 20:20:54 2004
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:20:54 -0000
Subject: HP for botanists
Message-ID: <clmbj6+rmi8@eGroups.com>


Ladies and gentlemen, and hibiscus enthusiasts in particular:

Behold Aunt Marge the hibiscus hybrid.

http://tinyurl.com/3wp86
(Image pinched from a glorious hibiscus slide show; I've a link to it 
in the journal.)

So theoretically, one could start a collection of plants with the 
same names as HP characters. Does anyone want to speculate about what 
the others would be? Ginevra Weasley sounds a bit like a rose, and 
Hagrid ought to belong to the sequoia family. Albus Dumbledore -- 
hmm...

Alshain






From hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu  Tue Oct 26 13:40:14 2004
From: hubbarrk at rose-hulman.edu (Rebecca K Hubbard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:40:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
In-Reply-To: <2504.4.12.232.15.1098786194.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <000001c4bb61$533c9e80$f0927089@ms.rosehulman.edu>


davewitley wrote:



> Do you often help men button their shirts in shops?



Dina replied:



{chuckle} No, I'm buying the shirts for myself and have to try them on. 
Half my shirts are from the men's section.  I have broad shoulders and a
men's medium-sized shirt is comfy.

I just heard the reason why the buttons were on different sides related
to
an old tradition.



Yb's answer:

I believe Dina is close, but not quite. The "old tradition" you speak of
is that men were expected to dress 

themselves, but upper-class women had handmaids to dress them, so the
buttons were reversed on women's 

button-ups to be in the correct direction according to the handmaids'
point-of-view.

 

~Yb 



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From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Tue Oct 26 21:02:33 2004
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:02:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
In-Reply-To: <2504.4.12.232.15.1098786194.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <5B77C586-2792-11D9-9E72-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>

Dina wrote:
 > Gal's have buttons on our left while guy's shirts have buttons on 
their
 > right.  I think it had to do with an old tradition of women helping 
men
 > button their shirts.
 > Correct me if I'm wrong.  This is from my own shopping experience.

davewitely:
 > Do you often help men button their shirts in shops?

Dina:
 > {chuckle} No, I'm buying the shirts for myself and have to try them 
on.
 > Half my shirts are from the men's section.  I have broad shoulders 
and a
 > men's medium-sized shirt is comfy.
 > I just heard the reason why the buttons were on different sides 
related to
 > an old tradition.

Laura:

And so, the practice of orienting men's flies in the opposite direction 
of women's must be due to the old tradition of women . . . taking off 
men's pants?  ^_~

They really do think of everything, don't they?  I know *I* would get 
*so* confused trying to disrobe someone if their buttons and zippers 
and whatnot were all backward.

Laura (just having a bit of fun.)




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 21:02:26 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:02:26 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <clm8rd+909o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clme12+cvrb@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Small correction to my own response here.
> ..edited...
> 
> Carol again:
> Being American and fond of coffee, I forgot that as a Brit, JKR is
> much more likely to drink tea than coffee--Chinese green tea, from the
> looks of the residue. Maybe there's a small suggestion of Trelawney
> and divination there . . . .
> 
> Carol

bboyminn:

Totally of the main subject; I'm curious to what extent young kids
drink coffee and tea in Britian? How young are they when they start?
How much do they drink?

We have already seen Harry and friends drinking tea as early as the
first book, age 11, and I believe in one of the books Hermione has
coffee with her breakfast.

I remember several years back when Folger's Coffee, a popular American
brand, has a TV advertisement that features a teenage boy waking up in
the morning and rushing down to the kitchen where he sipped Folger's
coffee with apparent orgasmic delight. 

The viewing audience was outraged that Folger's would try and market
coffee to teenages. There was such a negative response the TV AD was
pulled in about a week. In addition, serveral year back before the
current coffee boom, I can't think of many parents who would allow any
of their kids under roughly age 16 to drink coffee, and even if they
did, they significantly limited the teen's intake of coffee. Tea was
not usually so bad, I can remember on rare occassion drinking tea when
I was very young, but that wasn't very often. Of course, any wise
parent knows it make no sense to AMP UP your already overactive kids
with coffee; as if being a parent wasn't hard enough already.

Of course, now days, teens drink coffee as their drug of choice. I met
a guy working in a coffee shop who said he usually drank 12 (TWELVE!)
straight shots of Expresso before going to class (college classes).
Can you spell heart attack?

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)









From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Oct 26 22:00:05 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:00:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe's shirts - girl or guy's?
In-Reply-To: <5B77C586-2792-11D9-9E72-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>
References: <2504.4.12.232.15.1098786194.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
    <5B77C586-2792-11D9-9E72-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <2735.4.12.232.15.1098828005.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Laura Ingalls Huntley said:

> And so, the practice of orienting men's flies in the opposite direction
> of women's must be due to the old tradition of women . . . taking off
> men's pants?  ^_~

{chuckle}  But of course.

Seriously, I heard men's style was based on the military when you had to
have quick access to a weapon (not including the one-eyed trouser snake)
with your right hand, so clothes were to be undone from the left.

If this practice started centuries back, then I'm guessing wizards
probably also picked up the habit long ago too as a way to keep their...
wand hand {does inappropriate wank gesture} available.

Dina




From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Oct 26 22:31:44 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:31:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic, Slytherins, etc (was Re: Plus,
      LJ and FictionAlley)
In-Reply-To: <008b01c4ba64$441acec0$69206bd5@kathryn>
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Kathryn Cawte said:

>> Dina
>>
>> {g}  I recently read a fic where Draco did 'whore' himself out to Harry,
>> however, Draco was also the owner of the 'establishment' [of ill
>> repute].

> Can I have a title and address for this it sounds interesting?

http://www.livejournal.com/users/painless_j/28944.html

The prostitution 'thematic' list maintained by painless_j is mostly slash
but does have some het links.  Ratings are included, and for those
underage on this list, please use common sense in avoiding fics you
shouldn't be reading... or at least don't get caught.

The fic I was referencing, "In the Flesh", starts on
http://www.livejournal.com/users/carylic/3390.html

Dina




From nrenka at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 22:49:00 2004
From: nrenka at yahoo.com (Nora Renka)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:49:00 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <clme12+cvrb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clmk8s+va5e@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:

> bboyminn:

> I remember several years back when Folger's Coffee, a popular 
> American brand, has a TV advertisement that features a teenage boy 
> waking up in the morning and rushing down to the kitchen where he 
> sipped Folger's coffee with apparent orgasmic delight. 

I remember those ads.  Never knew they caused such outrage, though.

> Of course, now days, teens drink coffee as their drug of choice. I 
> met a guy working in a coffee shop who said he usually drank 12 
> (TWELVE!) straight shots of Expresso before going to class (college 
> classes). Can you spell heart attack?

Well, it's in the US so less interesting to your question, but my 
entire department would be completely and utterly non-functional 
without coffee.  People are eternally late to meetings and talks 
because they are going to get coffee.  I don't drink the stuff myself 
other than very, very occasionally, because it makes me twitch.  
Literally.  And I am high-strung enough--I don't NEED 12 espresso 
shots to be awake and argumentative for class.

I'm addicted to the rooibos tea they have in my dining hall, 
instead...

-Nora waits for the rush at the gym to clear out, so posts instead






From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 26 23:43:08 2004
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:43:08 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <clme12+cvrb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clmnec+dned@eGroups.com>


Steve:
I can't think of many parents who would allow any
> of their kids under roughly age 16 to drink coffee, and even if 
they
> did, they significantly limited the teen's intake of coffee. Tea 
was
> not usually so bad, I can remember on rare occassion drinking tea 
when
> I was very young, but that wasn't very often. Of course, any wise
> parent knows it make no sense to AMP UP your already overactive 
kids
> with coffee; as if being a parent wasn't hard enough already.

Jen: I grew up in Texas, where drinking sweetened ice-tea was a way 
of life from a very young age. We didn't drink it all the time like 
you said, but some nights for dinner we got to have tea instead of 
milk. Now my *cousins* OTOH drank coffee from a very young age, 
albeit with tons of milk and sugar. It was more of a dessert than a 
drink, really. We never even asked to drink coffee, thinking it 
smelled bad and tasted even worse because both my parents liked it 
black! 

Steve: 
> Of course, now days, teens drink coffee as their drug of choice. I 
met
> a guy working in a coffee shop who said he usually drank 12 
(TWELVE!)
> straight shots of Expresso before going to class (college classes).
> Can you spell heart attack?

Jen: TWELVE? He must be incredibly laid back if that doesn't get to 
him. I'm sure with the boom of coffee-houses, and readily available 
drinks with all the syrups, whipped cream, etc., a higher percentage 
of kids get hooked really early on (Starbucks, winning the war for 
brand loyalty by age 10). You couldn't pay me to drink black coffee 
as a kid, but some of the drinks today look like the equivalent of 
milkshakes. 

Jen, who almost never drinks coffee but can't pass up a Diet Coke ;).






From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Oct 27 01:29:05 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:29:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic, Slytherins, etc (was Re: Plus,
      LJ and FictionAlley)
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Saitaina said:

> I think I read that...although there's
> at least three fics with that theme I
> can think of so there you go.

I've noticed that happens quite a bit. {g}

One thing that does start getting old for me is when a person asks a
pairing specific group a general rec.  For example, on a Harry/Draco
group, a person asks for recs on Harry/Draco fics, and less than a couple
weeks later, another newbie makes the same request.  Add water, stir, and
repeat the process... and most are repeated links.  It gets tiring seeing
the same links pop up over a dozen times and most don't bother including a
summary.


> Can't remember since I rarely use it.
> Although judging by friends...yeah.

Hm, I'm curious about hair products since I might resume styling my hair
up again (like one of those big-haired country singers).  Plus, it hides
how badly I cut my own hair.


> Don't make me hound PEJA to get a
> second mod just so I can kick your
> arse.

Heh, I'd like to see you try!  Mods vary between control freaks and
masochists because they have to deal with arse kissers and anarchists,
among other things.  I wouldn't want to become an HP mod.


> only think of two people I've done this
> to lately, so who wants to bet five
> bucks it's from that mess on
> harry_potter_slash.  Geeze.

Which mess?  Is it that songfic one?  I fall behind on email.


> I actually read that line in a
> Harry/Draco and it's stuck with me.

A fanfic line that's stuck with me was 'complimenting' a male character by
referencing 'nice birthing hips'.  The first time I saw this was back in
1996 in the Vampire Chronicles fandom, before Anne Rice went all PMS on
fanfic writers.

Lestat and Louis were in a cemetary and happened to sit down on the graves
of a husband and wife plot.  Louis notices the wife's headstone behind him
and comments on 'was he ever let out of the bedroom based on the number of
kids they had'.  Lestat replied 'with those birthing hips, could you blame
me' or something like that.

I've seen the 'birthing hips' phrase pop up in the HP fandom and mostly in
reference to Draco from a mocking sense.  Although, there's numerous HP
mpregs online that literally explore male HP characters popping out a
kiddie or two.


> Very true.  Am I the only one who
> thought it looked like he was hitting
> on Ron in CoS with that parting look?

For awhile, I was confused on which scene until I had HBO on as background
sound and COS aired.  Are you referencing the Flourish and Blotts scene? 
Where Draco says 'see you at school' to Harry and then does the pervy
eyebrow raise at Ron?


> Although now I wonder why Millie didn't
> go with Crabbe or Goyle to the Yule
> ball...if you think about it, it would
> have been perfect (although it would
> crush my long standing theory that the
> boys did have dates...each other).

I thought Millie was smarter than CrabbeGoyle and found another girl for a
date.


> Eyes and mouth are different.  I'd have
> to run it through facial recognition
> software (which I don't have at the
> moment) to tell you exactly what's off,
> but there's something not right.  Could
> be her growing older though (not sure).

For me, it's the chin.  I find it less likely her chin would get smaller
as she got older.


> <Some have speculated Peter as the one
> redeemed in the end via
> the 'life debt' to Harry.>
>
> Oh I hope not, that would suck.

Suck?  As in the predictability of it?


> Shush you.  You're making my rant look
> bad.

Sawry. {doe eyes... or as much as a half Oriental can)

Dina




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Oct 27 02:10:17 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:10:17 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic, Slytherins, etc (was Re: Plus,      LJ and FictionAlley)
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Dina wrote:

<It gets tiring seeing
the same links pop up over a dozen
times and most don't bother including a
summary.>

So with you there.  Of course I hate
ANY rec without a summary.  I mean come
on...that's how you choose a story (or
me at least).

<Hm, I'm curious about hair products
since I might resume styling my hair
up again (like one of those big-haired
country singers).  >

Anything with super hold would
work...or anything made for Gen X.

<Mods vary between control freaks>

Aww, you caught me.  I can't help it.
I adore power.  I've been known to take
over lists I've joined as a member. I'm
currently mod to four lists that I
simply joined out of like.  And one
list where I'm trying to oust the owner
because she's an idiot (not a list
we're both on).

<Which mess?  Is it that songfic one?
I fall behind on email.>

That's currently the only mess I've
been a part in, in the past...month. I
can't help it, I've been a mod so long
that if I see people snipping on list I
say something about it.  Not my fault
they're not mature enough to handle
someone telling them to politely take
it off list.

<A fanfic line that's stuck with me was
'complimenting' a male character by
referencing 'nice birthing hips'.>

*giggles madly*

<Are you referencing the Flourish and
Blotts scene?
Where Draco says 'see you at school' to
Harry and then does the pervy
eyebrow raise at Ron?>

Er...yeah.  I'm sorry but that was just
sooo WRONG.  It should have been
reversed so Harry got the pervy
eyebrows. Of course he made up for it
in the PoA CoMC class scene.

<I thought Millie was smarter than
CrabbeGoyle and found another girl for
a
date.>

Hmm, interesting idea.

<Suck?  As in the predictability of
it?>

Suck as in Peter being redeemed in any
fashion.  There's nothing TO redeem. He
screwed up, live moves on and we all
deal.

<Sawry. {doe eyes... or as much as a
half Oriental can)>

Not sure if I should accept said
apology.  *huffs*  I should have more
music vids to make up for such a
transgression.

*hides*

Saitaina
****
I've planned my dream wedding since I
was five.  I have it all planned,
invitations, cake,  heck I even know
what flatware to use.  I'm twenty-three
now, and I'm watching those dreams go
up in flames.  All because I'm a
lesbian, a second class citizen.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on
all this and plow face-first into a
tree because I was looking the wrong
bloody way. And I'll still be having a
better day than I am today."


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From Erthena at aol.com  Wed Oct 27 23:11:09 2004
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:11:09 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <clme12+cvrb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clp9ud+cb50@eGroups.com>


> bboyminn:
> 
> Of course, now days, teens drink coffee as their drug of choice. I 
met
> a guy working in a coffee shop who said he usually drank 12 
(TWELVE!)
> straight shots of Espresso before going to class (college classes).
> Can you spell heart attack?
 loony:
Too true.  I know many of my classmates can't function without sirius 
coffee intake (I'm a high school senior).  Last year we even got the 
teacher who taught junior History and Literature to let us have a 
huge coffee machine in the back of his room (I had history at the end 
of the day and Locke is hard enough to grasp).  There were days when 
I was running on three cups or so.  Now I can't have coffee; it just 
keeps me going while I feel like butter scraped over too much bread.  
Tea is wonderful though, not so much caffeine that I'm wired but 
enough to get my brain going.  As for Starbucks, when I wake up at 
six am on Saturday mornings for debate tournaments I do not survive 
without a Venti Peppermint Mocha (mmm... yummy!)
~~loony, craving Mocha right now







From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 28 03:51:56 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:51:56 -0000
Subject: Sneakoscope(?) on website
Message-ID: <clpqcs+ev6c@eGroups.com>


Does anyone know what's up with the big red, yellow and blue object 
that appears on JKR's sight when you go to her rubbish bin?  It 
whirrs when you scroll over it.  Does it do anything else!

Thanks!
imamommy






From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Oct 28 18:36:20 2004
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:36:20 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found fanfiction Update
Message-ID: <clre74+um94@eGroups.com>


For all two of you who are interested,(*smirk*) Chapter 26 is up, and
actually 'visible' on ffn and afn as of today (10/28).  Chapter 27 is
back from my Beta, and Chapter 28 is 'in progress'.

To repeat the review:  Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama.  After
OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but before Half Blood Prince
(hmm, is that one word, halfblood, or two?); so AU to that book when
it arrives, Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in DE activities
because of his OotP Spy role, a researcher from Ministry offers to aid
and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's Master
whom she knew slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way
too much plot for those of  you who want PWP.) WIP Rated for later
chapters.

Here are the links again:
http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings  Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/  Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336  Story link at afn.

Please note that the story is "cleaner" at FFN, not only content of
course, but general editing, repair of typos, flow of sentences, etc.
 I have not mastered how to get AFN to accept things like bold and
italic text, and it is often 'down' so that a repair I can do easily
at FFN takes ages to get around to posting at AFN.

I am eventually going to get around to submitting it to Syncophanthex
in Occlumency, but haven't gotten there yet.

Hope you enjoy.  Like probably the majority of fanfic authors, I
thrive on reviews, so at the risk of sounding pathetic... Please
Review! :)






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 28 21:58:58 2004
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:58:58 -0000
Subject: Sneakoscope(?) on website
In-Reply-To: <clpqcs+ev6c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clrq32+4q6n@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> 
wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what's up with the big red, yellow and blue 
object that appears on JKR's sight when you go to her rubbish bin?  
It whirrs when you scroll over it.  Does it do anything else!
> 
> Thanks!
> imamommy

*****\(@@)/*****

I don't know, but I always play with it when I go to the rubbish 
bin! Maybe if a rumor is good enough it will make a lot of noise on 
it's own some day......

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From michel56 at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 28 23:02:41 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:02:41 -0400
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sneakoscope(?) on website
Message-ID: <001601c4bd42$3a7edba0$45726e18@earthlink.net>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> 
wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what's up with the big red, yellow and blue 
object that appears on JKR's sight when you go to her rubbish bin?  
It whirrs when you scroll over it.  Does it do anything else!
> 
> Thanks!
> imamommy


I always thought it was a spinning top, something you might have as a child. You push down on the top, the red part, and the bottom whirls. Seems to fit in with the small letter blocks that are also there, just kid stuff.  Just my guess, though...  I've never seen it do anything more than whirl.

Michele 

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From taylor146 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 28 03:51:08 2004
From: taylor146 at yahoo.com (hrrypttr77)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:51:08 -0000
Subject: My fic
Message-ID: <clpqbc+fcks@eGroups.com>


If anyone is interested I started my own fic. It 6th yr Post-OoTP. 
Harry decides to train on his own. I am currently on Chapter 13 and 
summer is almost over. Give it a try.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1890794/1/

taylor146






From Schlobin at aol.com  Fri Oct 29 11:54:10 2004
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:54:10 -0000
Subject: rowling on u.s. elections anyone else see this?
Message-ID: <cltb12+hdao@eGroups.com>


A friend sent me this...anyone else see it?

Glasgow, Scotland. 27-10-04.
Evening Herald

Rowling asks U.S. fans to vote - for Kerry

Saying she has been reluctant to get involved with politics, Rowling
said that if she were a U.S. citizen, she'd vote for John Kerry.

"I see Bush as a cross between Gilderoy Lockhart and Cornelius Fudge.
But after the first debate, I wondered if someone had put him under
the Imperius Curse."
the world famous author of the best selling Harry Potter books said.

Rowling cited the environment, children's issues, health care and the
Iraqi war as reasons to vote for Sen. Kerry. She said she hoped fans
of her books would vote.

She refused to say anything more about her sixth book Harry Potter
and the Half-Blood Prince.






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 29 13:07:27 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:07:27 -0000
Subject: rowling on u.s. elections anyone else see this?
In-Reply-To: <cltb12+hdao@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cltfaf+3ktu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
<Schlobin at a...> wrote:
> 
> A friend sent me this...anyone else see it?
> 
> Glasgow, Scotland. 27-10-04.
> Evening Herald
> 

Carolyn:
Maybe you should ask your friend to send a more definite link. I 
couldn't find the article on the Glasgow Herald's website 
(www.theherald.co.uk). This paper is following the US election very 
closely, and even has a recent piece about (US) celebrity 
endorsement. I'd have thought they'd mention JKR if she did say 
anything like this.






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Fri Oct 29 13:25:00 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:25:00 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: rowling on u.s. elections anyone else see this?
In-Reply-To: <cltfaf+3ktu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPIEAECCAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Hi all

I did a quick google and could not turn up and direct referance .. I think
it might be a hoax - whether a good one or not depends on your personal
perspective.

storm, treading carefully in memory of 4 years ago.

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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 17:39:32 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:39:32 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: Rowling takes stand on U.S. elections?
Message-ID: <cltv8k+a8p0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:

> Cassie:  I haven't been following this thread, but I seems to me 
like she's 
> just offering an opinion.  I'm getting this impression from the 
quote above, 
> mind you. I understand that JKR is in a position to influence 
people, but she is 
> still entitled to her opinion.  I'd be very disappointed if people 
voted for 
> Kerry just because they were doing the sheep bit with JKR or any 
celebrity 
> instead of paying attention to the issues.  That'd be just plain 
sad.  



Alla:

Yep. I think she is entitled to her opinion and that she was just 
offering one. I don't think she is obligated to keep her opinion to 
herself, just because she is such an influential person .

Personally, I don't need anybody to tell me whom to vote for(I 
decided that long time ago), but I am kind of happy that her opinions 
and mine are the same on that subject.
--- End forwarded message ---







From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 17:45:52 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:45:52 -0000
Subject: rowling on u.s. elections anyone else see this?
In-Reply-To: <cltb12+hdao@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cltvkg+atfe@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
<Schlobin at a...> wrote:
> 
> A friend sent me this...anyone else see it?
> 
> Glasgow, Scotland. 27-10-04.
> Evening Herald
> 
> Rowling asks U.S. fans to vote - for Kerry
> 
> Saying she has been reluctant to get involved with politics, 
> Rowling said that if she were a U.S. citizen, she'd vote for John 
> Kerry.

The word 'hoax' springs to mind. There's nothing about it on the net 
if you google the Evening Herald. And I really can't see why JKR 
should get involved with U.S. politics either; *unless* it was a 
Rita Skeeter type interview.

********************************************************

Reporter: So, Ms Rowling, would you say President Bush is a cross 
between Gilderoy Lockhart and Cornelius Fudge?'

JKR: Err... what? 

Reporter:Right. And you'd vote for Kerry?

JKR: I'm not a US citizen.

Reporter: OK [writing down 'would vote for Kerry if US citizen']

Reporter: Which political issues do you find important?

JKR: Environment, health care, and of course children's issues.

Reporter: And are you concerned about the Iraqi war?

JKR:Well, we're in the middle of it, so isn't everyone?

Reporter: Which is why you'd vote for Sen. Kerry. Thank you. [stands 
up to leave]

JKR: What? How can I vote for Kerry, I'm British! My agent said this 
was an interview on why I'm refusing to talk about the Half Blood 
Prince! Come back!

[fade out on JKR chasing after reporter...]
************************************************************

Pip!Squeak







From lists at heidi8.com  Fri Oct 29 18:22:56 2004
From: lists at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:22:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd:  Re: Rowling takes stand on U.S. elections?
In-Reply-To: <cltv8k+a8p0@eGroups.com>
References: <cltv8k+a8p0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1099074181.10F92814@h28.dngr.org>

I just got confirmation from one of JKR's people that the article isn't 
real, and nor are the quotes.

Hope that ends the discussion.

Best,
Heidi



Http://www.fictionalley.org
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Http://www.hp2006.org



On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 1:39pm, dumbledore11214 wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
>  Cassie:? I haven't been following this thread, but I seems to me
like she's
>  just offering an opinion.? I'm getting this impression from the
quote above,
>  mind you. I understand that JKR is in a position to influence
people, but she is
>  still entitled to her opinion.? I'd be very disappointed if people
voted for
>  Kerry just because they were doing the sheep bit with JKR or any
celebrity
>  instead of paying attention to the issues.? That'd be just plain
sad.?
Alla:
Yep. I think she is entitled to her opinion and that she was just
offering one. I don't think she is obligated to keep her opinion to
herself, just because she is such an influential person .
Personally, I don't need anybody to tell me whom to vote for(I
decided that long time ago), but I am kind of happy that her opinions
and mine are the same on that subject.
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 18:43:17 2004
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:43:17 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: Rowling takes stand on U.S. elections?
In-Reply-To: <1099074181.10F92814@h28.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <clu305+sh6p@eGroups.com>


Thanks, Heidi.


Alla.




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> 
wrote:
> I just got confirmation from one of JKR's people that the article 
isn't 
> real, and nor are the quotes.
> 
> Hope that ends the discussion.
> 
> Best,
> Heidi







From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 21:46:56 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:46:56 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves
Message-ID: <cludog+211m@eGroups.com>


Looks like they may have found evidence of the 'little people'. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3948165.stm
for a report on hobbit sized hominids - interestingly, the remains 
date back only 18,000 years, which is co-existent with modern humans.

Pip!Squeak






From meidbh at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 22:11:47 2004
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:11:47 -0000
Subject: Lament for John Peel..
In-Reply-To: <clm8ev+rci5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cluf73+9vt6@eGroups.com>


carolyn wrote:
> It's just been announced that John Peel, one of the most 
influential British DJs ever, has died of heart attack whilst 
travelling in, of all places, Peru. He was only 65.

Meidbh:
With you there Carolyn. He chose the soundtrack for several 
generations.If you ever wanted to know what was really happening on 
the music scene all you had to do was tune in to John Peel (for 
music with irony) When I came back to this side of the world I was 
amazed and delighted to find him still on the air and still 
immensely, intrinsically cool. What a loss...

M.






From meidbh at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 22:48:21 2004
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:48:21 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <clme12+cvrb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cluhbl+jvfq@eGroups.com>


Steve:
"Totally of the main subject; I'm curious to what extent young kids 
drink coffee and tea in Britian? How young are they when they start? 
How much do they drink?"
  
Jen: 
"I'm sure with the boom of coffee-houses, and readily available
drinks with all the syrups, whipped cream, etc., a higher percentage
of kids get hooked really early on (Starbucks, winning the war for
brand loyalty by age 10)."


Meidbh now:
When I was growing up in Ireland most kids (especially country kids)
drank lots of (very) milky tea. It was a staple of the traditional 
diet until soft drinks and fruit juices started to become cheaper 
and more readily available. Nowadays it's not very common for really 
young kids to drink tea or coffee, but like Jen says, slick 
marketing and the shocking sugaring up of coffee(and tea)is drawing 
the older ones in. 

Off on another tangent - why do you think Warner Bros kept the kids 
out of the Three Broomsticks? 

Meidbh (quite glad to be indoors on a wild and squally night) 






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Oct 29 22:50:49 2004
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:50:49 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] rowling on u.s. elections anyone else see this?
Message-ID: <76.44c8c049.2eb42349@aol.com>

In the words of JKR  "It's a scandal"  don't believe it!!!!  It's just a hoax


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 23:24:09 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:24:09 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <cluhbl+jvfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clujep+dinh@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "meidbh" <meidbh at y...> wrote:
 
> Steve:
> "... I'm curious to what extent young kids drink coffee and tea in 
> Britian? How young are they when they start?  How much do they 
> drink?"

  
> Jen: 
> "I'm sure with the boom of coffee-houses, and readily available
> drinks with all the syrups, whipped cream, etc., a higher percentage
> of kids get hooked really early on (Starbucks, winning the war for
> brand loyalty by age 10)."

 
> Meidbh now:
> When I was growing up in Ireland most kids (especially country kids)
> drank lots of (very) milky tea. ... Nowadays it's not very common 
> for really young kids to drink tea or coffee, but like Jen says, 
> slick marketing and the shocking sugaring up of coffee(and tea)is 
> drawing the older ones in. 
> 
> Off on another tangent - why do you think Warner Bros kept the kids 
> out of the Three Broomsticks? 
> 
> Meidbh 


bboyminn:

On to another beam...

To what extent is Ice Tea available in Britian? 

I was told there was a time, not too long ago, when the mere mention
of Ice Tea in Britian would get you hanged, shot, drowned, burned at
the stake, and deported, in that order.

The next logical question is why? Why would a great tea drinking
country like Britain (OK, group of countries) not seize every excuse
they could find to drink tea. It's a wonderfully light and refreshing
drink on a hot summer day, and none of those nasty bubbles.

Here in the USA Lipton and Nestea as well as a few others like Snapple
have introduced ice tea in bottles, available at most convenience
stores. It's a little sweet, I like mine with lemon, and fortunately
for my sensitive system, very low in caffine. Although, not even
remotely as good as real home brewed ice tea. In addition, in the
summer, and in many cases in the winter, Ice Tea is a standard menu
item in all cafes large and small.


As far as your question regarding why the entire Trio wasn't allowed
into the Three Broomsticks (if I recall correctly). It was just a way
of cutting the scene as short as possible. To do the whole set up of
Ron and Hermione sneaking Harry in would require more time than Harry
ducking in by himself.  

I've been thinking recently about he poor character and storyline
development in the movies, and was fantisizing about some TV network
creating their own Made-For-TV mini-series from each of the books
where they could take an entire week to tell the story (one book) and
develop it in more detail. I suspect someday that will happen, but I
think it's pretty far off.

Sorry, just rambling.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)








From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 23:36:06 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:36:06 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves
In-Reply-To: <cludog+211m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cluk56+vlm7@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...>
wrote:
> 
> Looks like they may have found evidence of the 'little people'. 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3948165.stm
> for a report on hobbit sized hominids - interestingly, the remains 
> date back only 18,000 years, which is co-existent with modern humans.
> 
> Pip!Squeak

bboyminn:

I too read this. And the amazing thing is this was not a race of
mutants. By that I mean they weren't dwarfs or midgets. They were
perfectly health, perfectly formed and proportioned humans who just
happened to be three feet tall. 

They were discovered in the Flores Island of Indonesia. Even more
bizarre, they shared the islands with midget elephants and rats as big
as dogs.

Pygmies of Africa are short, but they are in the range of 4 to 5 feet.
To help you visualize three feet(*), if you are sitting at a desk
right now as you read this, the average desktop is about 30 inches.
Isn't that about the size of a 7 or 8 year old (maybe younger,
difficult for me to tell since I'm not around kids much.)

(*)note: some articles say one meter (40inches), other say 3 feet,
others say both.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)











From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 29 23:40:53 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:40:53 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves
In-Reply-To: <cluk56+vlm7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cluke5+eqic@eGroups.com>


Steve wrote:

> To help you visualize three feet(*), if you are sitting at a desk
> right now as you read this, the average desktop is about 30 inches.
> Isn't that about the size of a 7 or 8 year old (maybe younger,
> difficult for me to tell since I'm not around kids much.)

Much younger!  I think you are roughly half your adult height on 
your second birthday.

David






From meidbh at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 00:25:12 2004
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:25:12 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <clujep+dinh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clun18+a4oi@eGroups.com>



Steve:
"On to another beam...To what extent is Ice Tea available in Britain?
The next logical question is why? Why would a great tea drinking 
country like Britain (OK, group of countries) not seize every excuse
they could find to drink tea."

Meidbh:
Errr - it's pretty cold here most of the time. So a hot cuppa tea is 
the thing. And the cool drink of choice in summer tends to be beer!
M.






From Schlobin at aol.com  Sat Oct 30 02:20:33 2004
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:20:33 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: Rowling takes stand on U.S. elections?
In-Reply-To: <clu305+sh6p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clutph+qdqj@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Heidi.
> 
> 
> Alla.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> 
> wrote:
> > I just got confirmation from one of JKR's people that the article 
> isn't 
> > real, and nor are the quotes.
> > 
> > Hope that ends the discussion.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Heidi


Thanks, Heidi, my friend got it third hand...obviously a hoax, I knew 
the experts here could ascertain the real deal. Susan






From Schlobin at aol.com  Sat Oct 30 02:26:36 2004
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:26:36 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves
In-Reply-To: <cluke5+eqic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cluu4s+mru4@eGroups.com>


Well of course they were not human, they were precursors of homo 
sapiens, a different precursor to the Neanderthal Human.

That said, I think this is totally cool news. The article I read said 
that there were stories about them as late as the 1600s A.D.

Who said little people weren't real? And they had dragons, too!

Totally cool. 

Susan






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Oct 30 02:27:25 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:27:25 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hobbits and House Elves
In-Reply-To: <cluu4s+mru4@eGroups.com>
References: <cluke5+eqic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <418388AD.19083.3EC2D65@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2004 at 2:26, susanmcgee48176 wrote:

> 
> 
> Well of course they were not human, they were precursors of homo 
> sapiens, a different precursor to the Neanderthal Human.
> 
> That said, I think this is totally cool news. The article I read said 
> that there were stories about them as late as the 1600s A.D.
> 
> Who said little people weren't real? And they had dragons, too!
> 
> Totally cool. 

Well, no, they're not precursors of Homo sapiens. They are a 
separate species on a separate evolutionary track to Homo sapiens - 
we're probably both descended from Homo erectus, but this new 
species was not a precursor to us.

And whether or not they were human depends on your definitions. The 
most common definition really is that any 'Homo' species is human, 
and currently that's where this new species is being placed.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 03:51:18 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:51:18 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Elizabeth C!
Message-ID: <clv33m+jup4@eGroups.com>


Rynny is *finally* done with being sick, and good thing too, because 
we've got a birthday to celebrate!

Everyone, say happy birthday to today's honoree, Elizabeth C!  She 
didn't give an address for birthday owls, but you can wish her a 
happy birthday anyway, and I'm sure she'll appreciate it! *grins*

So Elizabeth, what's your favorite kind of music?  Only I've got a CD 
player that someone has helped me rig to run on magic rather than 
electricity, and a nice large collection of CDs to play on it.  And 
since it's your birthday, you, of course, get to choose what we play 
on it!

And while you pick the music, I'll just get us some food--listening 
to music while eating cake and ice cream is so very fun, don't you 
all agree?  Hold on a minute, I'll be right back...*pops out, and 
soon pops back in again with cake and ice cream floating behind* Here 
it is, the backbone of any birthday party!  Dig in, everyone!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELIZABETH!

--Rynny the birthday elf






From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 09:02:59 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:02:59 -0000
Subject: Tea, not coffee - Totally Off the Beam
In-Reply-To: <clun18+a4oi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clvlc3+60l6@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "meidbh" <meidbh at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Steve:
> "On to another beam...To what extent is Ice Tea available in 
Britain?
> The next logical question is why? Why would a great tea drinking 
> country like Britain (OK, group of countries) not seize every 
excuse
> they could find to drink tea."
> 
> Meidbh:
> Errr - it's pretty cold here most of the time. So a hot cuppa tea 
> is the thing. And the cool drink of choice in summer tends to be 
> beer!M.

Yup. For some reason the thought of cold tea makes us Brits shudder. 
We can manage Iced Coffee, but Iced tea? No. Despite several 
attempts to market it, it doesn't catch on. 

We often drink hot tea in the heat of summer (which is usually about 
70 degrees farenheit, for a maximum of two weeks. 80 degrees 
is 'bloody hot today'. 90 degrees is national headline time). 

The theory is that hot tea will make you sweat, therefore cooling 
you down. Go figure.

Pip!Squeak






From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 12:20:49 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (Spiridoula)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:20:49 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves
In-Reply-To: <cluu4s+mru4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm00v1+3vhs@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
<Schlobin at a...> wrote:
> 
> Well of course they were not human, they were precursors of homo 
> sapiens, a different precursor to the Neanderthal Human.
> 
> That said, I think this is totally cool news. The article I read 
said 
> that there were stories about them as late as the 1600s A.D.
> 
> Who said little people weren't real? And they had dragons, too!
> 
> Totally cool. 
> 
> Susan


Griffin782002 now:
What next? Will they discover house elves??? :-))))
And sorry about the short reply

Griffin782002






From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 15:06:06 2004
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:06:06 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: Rowling takes stand on U.S. elections?
In-Reply-To: <clutph+qdqj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm0aku+ion4@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
<Schlobin at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
> <dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, Heidi.
> > 
> > 
> > Alla.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> 
> > wrote:
> > > I just got confirmation from one of JKR's people that the 
article 
> > isn't 
> > > real, and nor are the quotes.
> > > 
> > > Hope that ends the discussion.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Heidi
> 
> 
> Thanks, Heidi, my friend got it third hand...obviously a hoax, I 
knew 
> the experts here could ascertain the real deal. Susan

Now me,wondering to myself:
Who thinks this rumour may end up in the rubbish bin on 
jkrowling.com?  What level of stink will it achiveve?
Cyndi







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Oct 30 17:17:27 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:17:27 -0000
Subject: Lament for John Peel..
In-Reply-To: <cluf73+9vt6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm0ib7+10ug8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "meidbh" <meidbh at y...> wrote:
> 
> carolyn wrote:
> > It's just been announced that John Peel, one of the most 
> influential British DJs ever, has died of heart attack whilst 
> travelling in, of all places, Peru. He was only 65.
> 
> Meidbh:
> With you there Carolyn. He chose the soundtrack for several 
> generations.If you ever wanted to know what was really happening on 
> the music scene all you had to do was tune in to John Peel (for 
> music with irony) When I came back to this side of the world I was 
> amazed and delighted to find him still on the air and still 
> immensely, intrinsically cool. What a loss...
> 
> M.

There's a good BBC page, with an obituary and links to the tributes 
pouring in from around the world:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3955369.stm

Plus a very moving edition of his Radio 4 'Home Truths' show this 
morning - all the people whose lives he touched. Never will be anyone 
like him again.

Carolyn






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 17:43:04 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:43:04 -0000
Subject: Sneakoscope(?) on website
In-Reply-To: <001601c4bd42$3a7edba0$45726e18@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cm0jr8+fl2q@eGroups.com>


imamommy wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone know what's up with the big red, yellow and blue 
> object that appears on JKR's sight when you go to her rubbish bin?  
> It whirrs when you scroll over it.  Does it do anything else!
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > imamommy
> 
> 
Michele responded:
> I always thought it was a spinning top, something you might have as
a child. You push down on the top, the red part, and the bottom
whirls. Seems to fit in with the small letter blocks that are also
there, just kid stuff.  Just my guess, though...  I've never seen it
do anything more than whirl.

Carol adds:
Shh! I think it's an enchanted Muggle artifact, a child's top charmed
to act as a sneakoscope. Or a sneakoscope charmed to look like a
child's top. So you're both right. (And, no, it doesn't do anything else.)

Carol






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 30 19:27:03 2004
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:27:03 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Celeb Endorsements
References: <cm0koj+4fn8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007801c4beb6$6fe28ce0$69206bd5@kathryn>


> Carol:
> I don't think the link has been validated yet, but I'd be very
> surprised if JKR endorsed Bush. It's clear from both her books and her
> interviews that her political views are liberal--like those of most
> celebrites. John Rhys-Davies is the only one I can think of, aside
> from Charlton Heston and possibly Bill Cosby, who openly rejects any
> part of the usual liberal agenda. (I could be wrong--I don't like
> politics, especially smear campaigns. And it's rather sad that we have
> only two candidates to choose from, so it amounts to Bush vs. whoever
> is running against him.)
>

K

Well there is Arnie - although he's a politician himself now so I don't know
if you count him as a celeb or not - and he's been noticeable absent from
the campaign trail (one appearance!), but then since he disagrees with Shrub
on many issues and is, by his own admission, having some, uh, 'personal
consequences' from his endorsement I can't blame him for that.

I have to say that despite having felt very very lucky not to live in the US
when Arnie got elected, he's definitely growing on me as a politician (even
despite the 'girly med' quote). He's doing better than I expected at any
rate - but then that's not saying a lot.

K





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 19:52:48 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:52:48 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves (the fossil evidence)
In-Reply-To: <cludog+211m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm0reg+4q5g@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...>
wrote:
> 
> Looks like they may have found evidence of the 'little people'. 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3948165.stm
> for a report on hobbit sized hominids - interestingly, the remains 
> date back only 18,000 years, which is co-existent with modern humans.
> 
> Pip!Squeak


Carol:
Unfortunately the skeleton has a chimp-sized brain, smaller than that
of homo habilis, which died out two million years ago and made only
the most primitive stone tools. Homo Floresiensis sounds like some
sort of australopithecine that outlived its time but with shorter arms
and more humanlike body proportions. How could such a creature make
the tools found with this partial skeleton? Most likely they were made
by the modern humans that lived in the area at the same time.

What bothers me most is that the articles are extrapolating from one
skeleton to a whole species and assuming that the species lasted up to
12,000 years ago based on a (supposedly) 18,000 year-old fossil. The
articles from the popular media (newspapers and radio) are also
bringing in hobbits and Lilliputians, as well as local legends of
little people that may have as much (or as little) factual basis as
sightings of Bigfoot. Some of these articles refer to the Asian Homo
Erectus (the supposed ancestors of Floriensis) as ancestors of modern
humans, but Java man (to use the old terminology) did not evolve into
modern humans, who AFWK evolved from an African variant of Erectus
best represented, to my knowledge, by Richard Leakey's Turkana Boy. (I
confess that I'm not quite up to date here, but most of the
significant fossil finds since the mid-90s that I'm familiar with have
involved much earlier species, mostly variants of australopithecus,
and most of them have been in Africa.)

To return to our hobbit-sized skeleton, could this new *partial*
skeleton be a midget born to normal-sized people, which happens now
and could have happened then? Or is the find misdated? A child
misidentified as an adult? But still, the location and the brain size
are suspicious. Maybe it's a hoax. It ain't a hobbit--they'd have had
larger brains. ;-) House elf? Yeah. Winky's Ice Age ancestor?
--though, to be serious again for a moment, I don't know how, or
whether, the Ice Age affected the Southern hemisphere. I can see a
pygmy species evolving from Java man but I can't see creatures with a
chimpanzee-sized brain creating sophisticated tools. Habilis didn't.
The much larger Erectus didn't. Neanderthal and early Homo Sapiens
(e.g., Cro-Magnon) did, but Neanderthal's brain was even larger than
ours, if not quite so sophisticated in terms of capacity for spoken
language.

Note that parts of this post are facetious, as signaled by the tone
and grammar, but I do get tired of the media treating every
paleontological find as revolutionary (and every dinosaur as a bird's
ancestor), and it's misleading to bring in legends and fiction in
relation to scientific discoveries. Anything for a headline, even if
it means underestimating the intelligence of the general public. And
the first online article I read on this discovery had "home" for
"homo" in the fossil's name.

Even the scientists are leaping to conclusions, trying to get their
names before the public. I do agree with one point that the scientists
are making: It's high time that people stopped thinking that human
evolution occurred in a straight line or that only one human species
could exist in one place at the same time. (You'd think that the
coexistence of Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon for 20,000 years would have
disproved that theory, but no: many paeloanthropologists assume that
Cro-Magnon, and not the inability to adapt after the Ice Age ended,
drove the Neanderthals to extinction.) I think that a lot of fossils
lumped under homo habilis are actually gracile australopithecines
labeled as habilis because of the damaging theory that two human
species could not coexist (unless one was a robust australopithecine
and the other a human ancestor). Maybe someone will go back and
reclassify those specimens and a lot of others and stop assuming that
every find is a direct ancestor of Homo Sapiens. Homo Floriensis, if
it's real and correctly dated, certainly isn't.

Anyway, here's an interview of two paleontologists with contrasting
viewpoints that at least gets away from hobbits and Lilliputians, but
the speculation based on limited evidence, especially by Tim Flannery,
reminds me of what we do in HPfGU, only it's presented as science:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1229757.htm

Carol, waiting to hear from Richard Leakey on this one, assuming that
he hasn't entirely traded paleoanthropology for conservation






From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Oct 30 20:05:53 2004
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:05:53 -0000
Subject: John Peel, Marc Bolan and JKRowling
Message-ID: <cm0s71+cn15@eGroups.com>


John Peel, a brilliantly dead pan and funny man was instrumental in 
the success of T Rex and Marc Bolan.  His death has made me again 
think of the connections between many of the boppin elf's songs and 
themes running through Harry Potter.

By the Light of the Magical Moon
The Wizard
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
Eastern Spell
Salamanda Palaganda
A Beard of Stars
Dragon's Ear
Ride a White Swan
She Was Born To Be My Unicorn
Warlord of the Royal Crocodiles
Like a White Star, Tangled and Far, Tulip that's what you are
Pictures of Purple People
The Sea Beasts

and I'll leave you with this quote from Marc Bolan

"A word came down from the starry grey
The word said smile and then vanished away"

Sarah xx










From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 20:23:07 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:23:07 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves (the fossil evidence) small correction
In-Reply-To: <cm0reg+4q5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm0t7b+sbo9@eGroups.com>


> Carol:
Winky's Ice Age ancestor?
> --though, to be serious again for a moment, I don't know how, or
> whether, the Ice Age affected the Southern hemisphere. <snip>

Oops. I was thinking that the find was in Australia, like some other
unclassifiable early humans, but it was in Indonesia, very near the
equator.

Also I've discovered some more carefully thought out articles that
avoid leaping to conclusions or linking the fossil find to legends.
Here's the best one I've seen so far:

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041025/full/041025-3.html

Carol






From michel56 at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 21:12:30 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:12:30 -0400
Subject: Molly's Birthday
References: <cm0jr8+fl2q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4bec5$2b58ef60$fd736e18@earthlink.net>

According to JKR's website, it's Molly Weasley's birthday.  Hmm.. wonder how old she is today.. 
Happy birthday to Mrs. Weasley!

Michele

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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 21:39:48 2004
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:39:48 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves (the fossil evidence)
In-Reply-To: <cm0reg+4q5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm11n4+3nld@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" 
<pipdowns at e...>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Looks like they may have found evidence of the 'little people'. 
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3948165.stm
> > for a report on hobbit sized hominids - interestingly, the 
remains 
> > date back only 18,000 years, which is co-existent with modern 
humans.
> > 
> > Pip!Squeak
> 
> 
> Carol:
> Unfortunately the skeleton has a chimp-sized brain, smaller than 
> that of homo habilis, which died out two million years ago and 
> made only the most primitive stone tools. Homo Floresiensis sounds 
> like some sort of australopithecine that outlived its time but 
> with shorter arms and more humanlike body proportions. How could 
> such a creature make the tools found with this partial skeleton? 

You most certainly know more about it than I do, since I've only 
taken one college level course on Human Evolution, but I'm not quite 
sure why brain size is the limitation; doesn't current psychological 
theory argue that it's the number and quality of connections made 
within the brain that's the deciding factor? 

I think the Nature article speculates that Floresiensis is a 
dwarfing of Homo Erectus, which was a tool user. If we are dwarfing 
a tool user (due to limited food supply), we have to consider that 
the individuals who were small, but retained the ability to make 
tools, would be the ones with the greatest evolutionary advantage.

Carol:
>Most likely they were made
> by the modern humans that lived in the area at the same time.
> 

The paleontologists who were there doing the actual excavating 
appear to be of the opinion that the tools are associated deposits. 
That's what they argue in the formal Nature article, anyway.

Carol:
> What bothers me most is that the articles are extrapolating from 
> one skeleton to a whole species 

This is quite normal in paleontology, isn't it? Australopithecus 
africanus was named from one fossil - further specimens weren't 
found for another ten years. Australopithecus boisei was named from 
one skull -not even a complete fossil (the skull differences were 
large enough that it was very clear it was a new species). Again, 
other boisei specimens were found later - but the new species was 
extrapolated from the first fossil found.


> Carol:
> To return to our hobbit-sized skeleton, could this new *partial*
> skeleton be a midget born to normal-sized people, which happens now
> and could have happened then? Or is the find misdated? A child
> misidentified as an adult? But still, the location and the brain 
> size are suspicious. Maybe it's a hoax. 


Another Piltdown man? But it's the Natural History Museum in London 
announcing Floresiensis; I don't think they could ever live down 
authenticating a *second* Piltdown. 

Carol:
> I can see a
> pygmy species evolving from Java man but I can't see creatures 
> with a chimpanzee-sized brain creating sophisticated tools. 
> Habilis didn't. The much larger Erectus didn't. Neanderthal and 
> early Homo Sapiens(e.g., Cro-Magnon) did, but Neanderthal's brain 
> was even larger than ours, if not quite so sophisticated in terms 
> of capacity for spoken language.

Again, I think you're making the wrong assumption. You're assuming 
that Floresiensis evolved *into* a tool user - whereas the argument 
is that Floresiensis evolved *from* a tool user. And we really have 
no idea how that might work; not the foggiest. 

Correlating physical brain size with the making of artifacts is also 
slightly dangerous; consider birds, with their tiny bird brains, 
making very very sophisticated nests. 


> Carol:
> Note that parts of this post are facetious, as signaled by the tone
> and grammar, but I do get tired of the media treating every
> paleontological find as revolutionary (and every dinosaur as a 
bird's
> ancestor), and it's misleading to bring in legends and fiction in
> relation to scientific discoveries. 


Why? In this particular case, I would think that bringing in legends 
(and fiction based on legends) is extremely relevant. If the dating 
is accurate, Floresiensis co-existed with H.sapiens sapiens. *If* 
(big if) this dwarfing occured elsewhere, then the legends are based 
on real history. 

Further, those legends might suggest where to look for the evidence. 

Pip!Squeak






From rynnewrites at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 22:49:12 2004
From: rynnewrites at gmail.com (Rynne)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:49:12 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Amber!
Message-ID: <cm15p8+nl76@eGroups.com>


Ah, it's almost Halloween, and we elveses is very busy getting ready 
for it, we are.  But before Halloween, we've got a birthday to 
celebrate!

Today's honoree is Amber, who can be owled birthday greetings at 
Amber_Falls at yahoo.com.  Do send her something--everyone loves getting 
birthday wishes! *grins*

The CD player was used so much yesterday that I'm giving it a day to 
cool off, but that doesn't mean we're without music!  I've recruited 
a few friends to make up a band, and don't worry, we'll play more 
than just spooky music!  And we've got plenty of streamers and 
balloons, and I've finally procured some confetti too!  We're going 
to party in /style/ today! *g*

And of course, we can't forget the cake--who doesn't love cake, or 
ice cream?  So just hold on a minute, I'll be right back...*pops out, 
and pops back in with cake and ice cream following* And here they 
are, just for your enjoyment!  Go on, everyone, eat!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, AMBER!

--Rynny the birthday elf






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 02:30:05 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:30:05 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves (the fossil evidence)
In-Reply-To: <cluu4s+mru4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm1ind+h23f@eGroups.com>


Susan wrote:
> 
> Well of course they were not human, they were precursors of homo 
> sapiens, a different precursor to the Neanderthal Human.
> 
> That said, I think this is totally cool news. The article I read
said that there were stories about them as late as the 1600s A.D.
> 
> Who said little people weren't real? And they had dragons, too!

Carol:
The Homo Floriensis fossils date from 18,000 years ago and are
contemporary with the Cro-Magnon cave paintings in Europe, so these
people could not possibly have been precursors of modern humans. By
that time, the Neanderthal (who were in Europe when the Cro-Magnon
arrived and coexisted with them for several thousand years) were
already extinct. However, there would be only a very distant
connection between the tiny Floriensis people, who apparently evolved
from the Homo Erectus of Java, and the Paleolithic peoples of Europe
(Cro-Magon or Neanderthal), since the ancestors of Java Man left
Africa and reached east Asia about a million years before any form of
Homo Sapiens, including Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis, evolved.

BTW, the Neanderthal diverged from the ancestors of Homo Sapiens
Sapiens (us) about 750,000 years ago. They are not our ancestors, or
anyone else's (unless you believe, as some anthropologists do, that a
few Neanderthal genes must have trickled into the Cro-Magnon gene
pool--genetic research disputes that theory, but the genetic research
has itself been disputed).

The dragons in the article are of course Komodo dragons (giant lizards
that still exist today). Evidently there were also pygmy Stegodons (an
extinct relative of the elephant) and Labrador-retriever-sized rats on
the island at the time that Floriensis lived there. Save me! No wonder
the little people went extinct.

Carol, who started out skeptical about Homo Floriensis but, having
spent the day exploring the topic, now believes they did exist but is
still not convinced that a creature with a chimp-sized brain made
those sophisticated tools






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 02:56:14 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:56:14 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves
In-Reply-To: <418388AD.19083.3EC2D65@localhost>
Message-ID: <cm1k8e+6uc0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
> On 30 Oct 2004 at 2:26, susanmcgee48176 wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Well of course they were not human, they were precursors of homo 
> > sapiens, a different precursor to the Neanderthal Human.
> > 
> > That said, I think this is totally cool news. The article I read said 
> > that there were stories about them as late as the 1600s A.D.
> > 
> > Who said little people weren't real? And they had dragons, too!
> > 
> > Totally cool. 
> 
> Well, no, they're not precursors of Homo sapiens. They are a 
> separate species on a separate evolutionary track to Homo sapiens - 
> we're probably both descended from Homo erectus, but this new 
> species was not a precursor to us.
> 
> And whether or not they were human depends on your definitions. The 
> most common definition really is that any 'Homo' species is human, 
> and currently that's where this new species is being placed.

Carol:
I think Floresiensis is classified as Homo by default since it's
evidently descended, as you say, from the Java variant of Homo Erectus
and is two million years too late to be an Australopithecine. The
discoverers didn't want to invent a new genus and further complicate
the already messy terminology, what with "Paranthropus" as an
alternative to "robust Australopithecine" and the new distinction
between "hominin" and "hominid" and the controversy over whether "Homo
Ergaster" is a "valid taxon" or just a variant of "Homo Erectus." I
just hope that the existence of multiple forms of "humans" at any
given time will finally be accepted as a given. The assumption that
only one gracile hominid can exist at one time has resulted in lumping
a lot of fossils into the Homo Habilis category that probably
shouldn't be there. OH62 ("Lucy's child") is not a habiline but a
long-armed gracile australopithecine who needs to be assigned her own
species.

Carol, with apologies for being so very OT but had to get this off her
chest








From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sun Oct 31 05:01:35 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:01:35 EDT
Subject: Subject: rowling on u.s. elections anyone else see this?
Message-ID: <159.42cd158f.2eb5cbaf@aol.com>

No I hadn't heard this before!  Interesting!  I'm glad to see that J.K. and I 
think alike.  :)

"Luna" ... who will be at the polls on Tuesday when they open to vote for 
Kerry.


--------------------------------------
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 31 05:02:11 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 31 Oct 2004 05:02:11 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1099198931.53.52519.m21@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sun Oct 31 05:05:29 2004
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:05:29 EDT
Subject: Heidi - clarification
Message-ID: <90.4f8362c2.2eb5cc99@aol.com>

Thanks for the clarification on the JK/John Kerry e-mail.  I'm a few days 
behind in list notes and just catching up on them this evening.  :)

"Luna"


"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004
(Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.)


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 05:59:22 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:59:22 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: Rowling takes stand on U.S. elections?
In-Reply-To: <cm0aku+ion4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm1uvq+kc97@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "thekrenz" <thekrenz at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
> <Schlobin at a...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
> > <dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Thanks, Heidi.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Alla.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <lists at h...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > I just got confirmation from one of JKR's people that the 
> article 
> > > isn't 
> > > > real, and nor are the quotes.
> > > > 
> > > > Hope that ends the discussion.
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > Heidi
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, Heidi, my friend got it third hand...obviously a hoax, I 
> knew 
> > the experts here could ascertain the real deal. Susan
> 
> Now me,wondering to myself:
> Who thinks this rumour may end up in the rubbish bin on 
> jkrowling.com?  What level of stink will it achiveve?
> Cyndi

Carol:
I thought about that, too, and actually looked for it there. It isn't
very hurtful and contains a grain of truth (if JKR did endorse an
American presidential candidate, it would certainly be Kerry), so I
think it would be under "starting to smell." But I don't think it will
be around long enough to fit the category. And as I said in a deleted
post, the only people she would influence are too young to vote
anyway. The rest of us, for better or worse, can make up our minds
without help, and if we can't, we'll stay home.

Carol






From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct 31 07:09:56 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:09:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ranty-rant Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rowling takes stand on U.S. 
     elections?
In-Reply-To: <cm1uvq+kc97@eGroups.com>
References: <cm0aku+ion4@eGroups.com> <cm1uvq+kc97@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1081.4.47.27.232.1099206596.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

justcarol67 said:

> we'll stay home.

I'm taking that advice.

Before, I was interested in voting, but now, I'm beyond *over it* for this
election.  I'm bombarded by 'go vote' from my postal mail every day (even
got a practice ballot in the mail), it's on TV (over a dozen political ads
in a two hour sitting), I'm getting phone calls, and I go online to find
fansites like Leaky Cauldron have this BS up too.  Plus, in the next day
or so, we're going to have both Bush and Kerry in this area on the same
day.

Excuse me if I'm allowed to be sick of it all and the fact every time I
see someone say 'go vote' I want to bitchslap them, bury a pitchfork into
their genitals (Darwinism in action), and then ask the Dolemite phrase,
"Bitch, are you for real?"

Y'all should've also paid attention to who you voted into Senate and not
just *over*hyped [into *comical* proportions] the Presidential race.  Bush
did *not* win the 'people's direct' vote (AKA popular) in 2000--I think
Gore had over half a million more--instead, Bush won the electoral.

However, for those waiting to vote on Tuesday, I hope your precinct is
small.  Currently, I know some places here have waiting lines of over an
hour on *early* voting.

And as TMI, I have cramps and Midol sucks.

Come on November 3--yes, I mean the third!

Dina





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 07:37:52 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:37:52 -0000
Subject: Hobbits and House Elves (the fossil evidence)
In-Reply-To: <cm11n4+3nld@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm24og+vgji@eGroups.com>


> > Carol:
> > Unfortunately the skeleton has a chimp-sized brain, smaller than 
> > that of homo habilis, which died out two million years ago and 
> > made only the most primitive stone tools. Homo Floresiensis sounds 
> > like some sort of australopithecine that outlived its time but 
> > with shorter arms and more humanlike body proportions. How could 
> > such a creature make the tools found with this partial skeleton? 
> 
Pip!Squeak:
> You most certainly know more about it than I do, since I've only 
> taken one college level course on Human Evolution, but I'm not quite 
> sure why brain size is the limitation; doesn't current psychological 
> theory argue that it's the number and quality of connections made 
> within the brain that's the deciding factor? 
> 
> I think the Nature article speculates that Floresiensis is a 
> dwarfing of Homo Erectus, which was a tool user. If we are dwarfing 
> a tool user (due to limited food supply), we have to consider that 
> the individuals who were small, but retained the ability to make 
> tools, would be the ones with the greatest evolutionary advantage.
<snipped and moved>
 Again, I think you're making the wrong assumption. You're assuming 
> that Floresiensis evolved *into* a tool user - whereas the argument 
> is that Floresiensis evolved *from* a tool user. And we really have 
> no idea how that might work; not the foggiest. 
> 
> Correlating physical brain size with the making of artifacts is also 
> slightly dangerous; consider birds, with their tiny bird brains, 
> making very very sophisticated nests. 

Carol again:
First let me note that the post you're responding to was written after
I had only read the initial post and the accompanying article, as well
as skimming associated articles in the popular media playing on the
"hobbit" nickname given to the fossil by its discoverers. I hate the
media hype and the misconceptions it causes. I started out as a
skeptic, but you'll see from later responses that I spent a great deal
of time finding and reading more legitimate responses to the find--I
couldn't access the Nature articles themselves, only the abstracts,
but you'll see the links I posted to the articles I found most
persuasive and interesting. (A few scientists are leaping to
conclusions or hypothesizing based on too little data, but others are
more cautious and professional.)

That said, let me answer your points more directly. Homo Erectus was a
tool *user*, certainly, and is known to have *made* crude tools--also
to have *used* fire without necessarily knowing how to kindle it. But
the tools described in the article appear to be more sophisticated
than any species other than Neanderthal or Homo Sapiens Sapiens (us,
including Cro-Magnon) could have created. If you look at the so-called
Oldowan industry (Homo Habilis) or Acheulean industry (Homo Erectus)
and compare them with the Mousterian (Neanderthal) tools, much less
the various levels of Cro-Magnon culture (Aurignacean, Solutrean,
Magdelanian) you'll see the huge, almost inconceivable difference,
that brain size and brain sophistication bring. The austalopithecines,
whose brains were chimp-sized, used tools on the chimpanzee level.
They weren't much larger than Floresiensis. The brain-to-body ratio of
Floresiensis may be somwhat greater than that for the
australopithecines, maybe more like that of Homo Habilis (a third
larger, and a giant leap for mankind), but still that's surprisingly
small if they're descended from Erectus. It's as if the brains shrank
*more* than the bodies. And Erectus, as I said, was not a
sophisticated tool maker. It was another great leap from him to, say,
Heidelbergensis, the apparent common ancestor of Neanderthals and
Cro-Magnon, and from Heidelbergensis to us.

Also, of course, there's the matter of complexity. Your tiny-brained
bird knows how to make a nest (as no human could) but that knowledge
is programmed into its genes as instinct. The mammalian brain is
larger and more complex than the reptile (or bird) brain; the primate
brain provides additional sophistication; but the human brain is far
more complex, especially the cerebrum, which allows rational thought
and the development of speech and writing. (I personally think that
Erectus had some primitive form of speech, since Broca's area has been
detected even in one specimen of Habilis, which preceded Erectus, but
given the brain size and structure, the small size of the spinal cord,
and the placement of the larynx, it must have been limited. How, then,
could such a creature create tools of any greater complexity than the
hand axes of the late Erectus peoples in Africa, Asia, or Europe?)
 
> Carol earlier:
> >Most likely they were made by the modern humans that lived in the
area at the same time.
> > 
Pip!Squeak: 
> The paleontologists who were there doing the actual excavating 
> appear to be of the opinion that the tools are associated deposits. 
> That's what they argue in the formal Nature article, anyway.

Carol again:
As I understand it, they don't know of any contemporary modern humans
who might have made the tools, but they haven't ruled out the
possibility. There is, after all, only one partial skeleton and a
handful of bones from other skeletons. It's all very preliminary. I'm
not saying it's impossible that the little people made the tools, but
their brain size and their putative ancestry suggest that other
possibilities should be considered.

> Carol earlier:
> > What bothers me most is that the articles are extrapolating from 
> > one skeleton to a whole species 
> 
> This is quite normal in paleontology, isn't it? Australopithecus 
> africanus was named from one fossil - further specimens weren't 
> found for another ten years. Australopithecus boisei was named from 
> one skull -not even a complete fossil (the skull differences were 
> large enough that it was very clear it was a new species). Again, 
> other boisei specimens were found later - but the new species was 
> extrapolated from the first fossil found.

Carol again:
Point conceded. It *is* the usual practice, though some scientists
will hesitate to assign a name until they're sure of the genus, at
least, and have checked the specimen against other known species. I
don't know if you're aware of the confusion surrounding Homo Habilis
and Homo Rudolphensis or Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster, and that's
only touching the surface. But I wasn't thinking of that when I made
this point. I was still thinking in terms of a possible hoax or error
(a child, a midget, or whatever) and I thought they ought to hesitate
before going out on a limb. I'm convinced now that I was wrong; it's a
genuine and mysterious find--like Boisei, which was wholly unexpected,
 but unquestionably new. As for Australopithecus Africanus, people
thought the little skull was that of an ape. The genus was and is
controversial--people are trying to put the gracile and robust
australopithecines in separate genera. So it's not a simple matter.
But if you hesitate to name a fossil, to place it in a known species
or give it a new name, someone else will name it--which happened to
Richard Leakey when he hesitated to name what's now known as Homo
Rudolphensis. He now thinks it should have been Homo Habilis; others
are arguing that it's an australopithecine! (I think OH62, the tiny
female "habilis" with the long arm to leg ratio, which in any case was
miscalculated, is probably an australopithecine, but Habilis became a
catch-all category because of the absurd belief that you can have only
one gracile hominid species in the same area at the same time. If you
can have two sapiens species, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon, why not true
Habilis and some more apelike descendant of Africanus?)

> > Carol earlier:
> > Note that parts of this post are facetious, as signaled by the tone
> > and grammar, but I do get tired of the media treating every
> > paleontological find as revolutionary (and every dinosaur as a 
> bird's
> > ancestor), and it's misleading to bring in legends and fiction in
> > relation to scientific discoveries. 
> 
> 
Pip!Squeak:
> Why? In this particular case, I would think that bringing in legends 
> (and fiction based on legends) is extremely relevant. If the dating 
> is accurate, Floresiensis co-existed with H.sapiens sapiens. *If* 
> (big if) this dwarfing occured elsewhere, then the legends are based 
> on real history. 
> 
> Further, those legends might suggest where to look for the evidence. 
> 
> 
Carol again:
We do, after all, have the African pygmies, which somehow seem to have
been left out of these articles. But I think it's misleading to
associate this discovery with legends of little people just as it's
misleading to associate Homo Erectus with the Yeti or Diplodocus with
the Loch Ness monster. It's also misleading, to change the subject
slightly, to say that birds evolved from dinosaurs, as if all
dinosaurs from T-Rex to Stegasaurus had bird descendants. One species,
or at most, one genus, evidently evolved into birds. I just don't like
the loose understanding of evolution that's promoted by the media, and
I get tired of each discovery supposedly causing us to rethink
evolution, especially human evolution. (Remember the fuss over
Australopithecus Garhi? If that's a direct human ancestor, I'll eat
the Sorting Hat.) I dislike cladistics, too. I think it leads to
misconceptions about the number of possible species that can coexist.
Floriensis will cause some rethinking on that subject, and for me
that's cause for celebration.

So, many thanks to whoever posted the link to the original "hobbit"
article. I was planning to spend the day balancing bank statements,
paying bills, and generally doing all the unpleasant odds and ends
that I've been putting off for about a month. Instead, I made the
acquaintance of a little near-human creature I had never imagined existed.

Carol






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Oct 31 12:29:57 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:29:57 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: Rowling takes stand on U.S. elections?
In-Reply-To: <cm1uvq+kc97@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm2ls5+hvs5@eGroups.com>


Carol wrote:

> And as I said in a deleted
> post, the only people she [JKR] would influence are too young to 
vote
> anyway. The rest of us, for better or worse, can make up our minds
> without help, and if we can't, we'll stay home.

Alas, if only.

David






From vmonte at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 13:33:10 2004
From: vmonte at yahoo.com (vmonte)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:33:10 -0000
Subject: The Do Not Disturb Sign on JKR's website is off
Message-ID: <cm2pim+15d1@eGroups.com>


I had to use a flying key to open the door. The door has opened to an 
overhead shot of her messy desk.  There is something written on the 
lower left hand side but I cannot see what it says.
Can someone check it out for me?

http://origin.jkrowling.com/en/
 






From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Sun Oct 31 15:51:38 2004
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:51:38 EST
Subject: JKR site PLEASE HELP!!
Message-ID: <1f8.1dce582.2eb6640a@aol.com>

I got the door open, but I can't find out how to get the drawer open!  Is 
there a drawer I'm not seeing??  If someone could pease tell me how to get it, I 
would greatly appreciate it!

Chancie


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 31 16:02:03 2004
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 31 Oct 2004 16:02:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1099238523.78.87251.m16@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 16:01:59 2004
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:01:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Do Not Disturb Sign on JKR's website is off -- SPOILER
In-Reply-To: <cm2pim+15d1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041031160159.59318.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>

SPOILER...

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You have to wait for the keys to come swirling, then catch the right key
that opens the door (that took me a long time!).

Once you get the picture of the desk, you have to open the drawer and pick
up the magnifying glass.  You slide the glass over the desk until it opens
a link to a riddle, which I can't figure out.

One by one we come to life,
then side-by-side we wait
while our company swells in numbers
(some come early, some come late); 
and some of us may bore you, 
and some of us enthral,
but you cannot choose between us
you must take us one and all.
We'll be bound together tightly
for we're naught if we break free.
If you'd like some clues about us
simply answer: WHO ARE WE?

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 

The answer is "chapters"




--- vmonte <vmonte at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> I had to use a flying key to open the door. The door has opened to an 
> overhead shot of her messy desk.  There is something written on the 
> lower left hand side but I cannot see what it says.
> Can someone check it out for me?
> 
> http://origin.jkrowling.com/en/
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From laura at kovax.org  Sun Oct 31 19:02:05 2004
From: laura at kovax.org (lauralaylin)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:02:05 -0000
Subject: Stuck
Message-ID: <cm3crd+pj7m@eGroups.com>



I opened the drawer, answered the riddle, but all that happened are
pages arrived behind a piece of paper that says "The Half-Blood
Prince" by JK Rowling.  I can't access the papers.  Nothing happens
when I click on them, drag them, etc.  Can anyone help?









From michel56 at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 31 19:36:44 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:36:44 -0500
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Stuck
Message-ID: <004b01c4bf80$f4c6b9c0$45726e18@earthlink.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: lauralaylin


I opened the drawer, answered the riddle, but all that happened are
pages arrived behind a piece of paper that says "The Half-Blood
Prince" by JK Rowling.  I can't access the papers.  Nothing happens
when I click on them, drag them, etc.  Can anyone help?

************************************************************

S

P

O

I

L

E

R


S

P 

A

C

E


Click on each page (except the closest), hold and lift up....  Should give you "more"

HTH
Michele





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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 20:01:06 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:01:06 -0000
Subject: Stuck
In-Reply-To: <004b01c4bf80$f4c6b9c0$45726e18@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cm3ga2+n078@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michele" <michel56 at e...> wrote:
> *
*
*
*
*
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: lauralaylin
> 
> 
> I opened the drawer, answered the riddle, but all that happened are
> pages arrived behind a piece of paper that says "The Half-Blood
> Prince" by JK Rowling.  I can't access the papers.  Nothing happens
> when I click on them, drag them, etc.  Can anyone help?
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> S
> 
> P
> 
> O
> 
> I
> 
> L> 
> E
> 
> R
> 
> 
> S
> 
> P 
> 
> A
> 
> C
> 
> E
> 
> 
> Click on each page (except the closest), hold and lift up.... 
Should give you "more"
> 
> HTH
> Michele



Carol:
What about that first one? Is it accessible somehow?

Carol






From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 20:03:27 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:03:27 -0000
Subject: JKR site PLEASE HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <1f8.1dce582.2eb6640a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cm3gef+d6sc@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
> I got the door open, but I can't find out how to get the drawer
open!  Is 
> there a drawer I'm not seeing??  If someone could pease tell me how
to get it, I 
> would greatly appreciate it!
> 
> Chancie
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Neri:

The same thing happened to me. I recently changed my browser to
Firefox. I went back to my old Internet Explorer and the drawer did
open there. Perhaps you have a similar problem?

A note: despite this unfortunate and rare case, Mozilla Firefox is IMO
a much better brawser than Internet Explorer. 






From michel56 at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 31 20:10:05 2004
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:10:05 -0500
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Stuck
Message-ID: <007101c4bf85$9d4ad820$45726e18@earthlink.net>

> ************************************************************
> 
> S
> 
> P
> 
> O
> 
> I
> 
> L> 
> E
> 
> R
> 
> 
> S
> 
> P 
> 
> A
> 
> C
> 
> E
> 
> 
> Click on each page (except the closest), hold and lift up.... 
Should give you "more"
> 
> HTH
> Michele



Carol:
What about that first one? Is it accessible somehow?




Michele again:

I've tried to get it to do something, but... nothing happens!  Maybe someone else will figure it out, if there is anything to figure out.   : 0)

Michele



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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct 31 20:46:58 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:46:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Firefox browser Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR site PLEASE HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <cm3gef+d6sc@eGroups.com>
References: <1f8.1dce582.2eb6640a@aol.com> <cm3gef+d6sc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2770.4.47.27.218.1099255618.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

nkafkafi said:

> A note: despite this unfortunate and rare case, Mozilla Firefox is IMO
> a much better brawser than Internet Explorer.

Brawser? {g}  Yeah, I like Firefox better than IE but I really do wish
history browsing didn't stall it.  I like retaining a large history and
know IE can handle over fifty weeks of history.  I suspect it's part old
computer and part inefficient system usage by Firefox.

Still, Firefox has some nifty optional extensions.  For browsing the HP
Lexicon, I downloaded the allow right click because the javascript (I
would either disable it or deal with it) prevented me from opening up new
tabs/windows for further research.

Dina




From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 20:53:22 2004
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (lavaluvn)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:53:22 -0000
Subject: Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <007101c4bf85$9d4ad820$45726e18@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cm3jc2+384o@eGroups.com>


Spoiler here for the Halloween treat on Jo's site, but I had a 
question....

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Does anyone else think Felix Felicis may be our previously described 
tawny-haired "Lion Man"?  Not that this helps much.  Has the name 
ever been seen in canon before?  I don't recall it.

-Andromeda






From ExSlytherin at aol.com  Sun Oct 31 21:25:02 2004
From: ExSlytherin at aol.com (Mandy)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:25:02 -0000
Subject: How do you open the drawer?
Message-ID: <cm3l7e+b61t@eGroups.com>


 How do you open the drawer? I'm looking at the desk, I see the 
handle but hothing happens when I click on it!!!!!
Help
Mandy






From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Oct 31 21:34:12 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:34:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question RE: new info from jkr.com
In-Reply-To: <cm3jc2+384o@eGroups.com>
References: <007101c4bf85$9d4ad820$45726e18@earthlink.net>
    <cm3jc2+384o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2850.4.47.27.218.1099258452.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

lavaluvn said:
>
>
> Spoiler here for the Halloween treat on Jo's site, but I had a
> question....
>
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> .
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>
> Does anyone else think Felix Felicis may be our previously described
> tawny-haired "Lion Man"?  Not that this helps much.  Has the name
> ever been seen in canon before?  I don't recall it.

Nope and nope.  I don't think it's a name...

http://sunsite.ubc.ca/LatinDictionary/HyperText/f.html

Scroll down to 'felix felicis'.

Dina




From przepla at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 21:34:26 2004
From: przepla at gmail.com (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:34:26 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR site PLEASE HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <cm3gef+d6sc@eGroups.com>
References: <1f8.1dce582.2eb6640a@aol.com> <cm3gef+d6sc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <687a2209041031133478298d44@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:03:27 -0000, nkafkafi <nkafkafi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
> > I got the door open, but I can't find out how to get the drawer
> open!  Is
> > there a drawer I'm not seeing??  If someone could pease tell me how
> to get it, I
> > would greatly appreciate it!
> >
> > Chancie
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> Neri:
> 
> The same thing happened to me. I recently changed my browser to
> Firefox. I went back to my old Internet Explorer and the drawer did
> open there. Perhaps you have a similar problem?

It worked fine on mine Firefox. All JKR site is done in flash, so
there shouldn't be any browser issues.

But, in case of drawer solution appeared to be dragging the drawer's
handle just like the key earlier.

-- 
Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki



From HMaffioli at cox.net  Sun Oct 31 21:37:34 2004
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:37:34 -0800
Subject: Gone already!
References: <007101c4bf85$9d4ad820$45726e18@earthlink.net>    <cm3jc2+384o@eGroups.com> <2850.4.47.27.218.1099258452.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <010d01c4bf91$d54a5c80$6501a8c0@sd.cox.net>

Wow that was fast!  The sign is back up.

Heather

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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sun Oct 31 22:13:28 2004
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:13:28 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gone already!
In-Reply-To: <010d01c4bf91$d54a5c80$6501a8c0@sd.cox.net>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGEBJCCAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

It's still off here

storm

-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Maffioli [mailto:HMaffioli at cox.net]
Sent: Monday, 1 November 2004 8:38 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gone already!



Wow that was fast!  The sign is back up.

Heather

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 22:28:02 2004
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:28:02 -0000
Subject: Firefox browser/ Thunderbird Email/ Mozilla Suite
In-Reply-To: <2770.4.47.27.218.1099255618.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <cm3oti+12mf@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <redina at s...> wrote:
> nkafkafi said:
> 
> > A note: despite this unfortunate and rare case, Mozilla Firefox is IMO
> > a much better brawser than Internet Explorer.


> Dina:
> 
> Brawser? {g}  Yeah, I like Firefox better than IE but I really do 
> wish history browsing didn't stall it.  I like retaining a large 
> history and know IE can handle over fifty weeks of history.  I 
> suspect it's part old computer and part inefficient system usage by 
> Firefox.
> 
> Still, Firefox has some nifty optional extensions.  For browsing the
> HP Lexicon, I downloaded the allow right click because the 
> javascript (I would either disable it or deal with it) prevented me 
> from opening up new tabs/windows for further research.
> 
> Dina

bboyminn:

Dina- "Yeah, I like Firefox better than IE but I really do wish
history browsing didn't stall it."

Could you translate this into English '...history browsing didn't
stall it'?

You know that in your Mozilla/Foxfire preferences you can set the span
of time for which history is retained.
Menu-> [Edit] [Preferences...] [Navigator] [History]

I don't know if it will go for 50 weeks, but you are able to enter a 5
digit number (99,999) for the number of days to remember. Mine is set
to 10 days, but my current history list actually goes back to Aug 30,
2004 based on "First Visit". 

I love Mozilla (currently using ver 1.7.2), never any pop-ups, spam
filtering, tabbed browsing, rarely ever affected by viruses or
security problems, adheres to TRUE web page design/display standards,
and much more. It's much safer, easier, more convenient, and it's FREE
FREE FREE!

I don't open Internet Explorer unless I absolutely have to, and the
last three times I did, I was instantly infected by computer viruses.
I surf for hours with Mozilla using both the browser and email, and
have never been infected by a virus that wasn't my own fault (ie:
manually opened an email attachment, something you should always do
with extreme caution).

Regarding the attempts by some websites to surpress right-click, I
find that with most of those websites even if they try to surpress it,
the right-click menu still appears; very very convenient.

Mozilla is the Browser, Email/newsgroups, Instant Messaging,
Composition Suite.

Foxfire is the Browser only program.

Thunderbird is the email/newsgroups only program.

I use the Suite (Foxfire+Thunderbird+more).

http://www.mozilla.org/

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)









From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 22:36:18 2004
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:36:18 -0000
Subject: JKR site PLEASE HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <687a2209041031133478298d44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cm3pd2+u1lc@eGroups.com>


> > Neri:
> > 
> > The same thing happened to me. I recently changed my browser to
> > Firefox. I went back to my old Internet Explorer and the drawer did
> > open there. Perhaps you have a similar problem?
> 
> It worked fine on mine Firefox. All JKR site is done in flash, so
> there shouldn't be any browser issues.
> 
> But, in case of drawer solution appeared to be dragging the drawer's
> handle just like the key earlier.
> 
> -- 
> Przemyslaw 'Pshemekan' Plaskowicki

Neri:

I've just tried it again, Firefox and Explorer side-by-side. The
drawer opens in Explorer but not in Firefox. 

I also don't understand why this happens since the flash isn't
supposed to depend on the browser. I'm just telling it the way it is.

But I still like my Firefox better :-)