From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  1 00:29:32 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:29:32 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <424C8E8C.000001.01628@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2i4lc+s1ho@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
> snip)
 over reliance on the spell checker - if I see one more example of 
someone hoping that Voldemort (or whoever) will loose a battle I'm not 
going to be held responsible for my actions! I'm not saying anyone can 
be perfect - but thats why you get someone else to proof read for you, 
checking your own stuff is almost impossible because you know what you 
meant to write and your brain tells you that's what you're seeing.
>  

Tonks here:

I am afraid I am the one that started all of this because I said I did 
not like hearing or seeing in print the phrase "me and Harry".  But I 
will have to confess that I can not spell and that I throw my comas any 
old place. And with trifocals and staring at the computer screen... 
well anything can come out. I posted on the main list just now and read 
it over 3 times, used the spell check and still missed a letter.

Tonks_op






From ajillity at direcway.com  Fri Apr  1 01:35:52 2005
From: ajillity at direcway.com (Jill)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:35:52 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <424C8E8C.000001.01628@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2i8ho+2pqn@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
> 
> K
> 
> When in doubt go for the more elegant (or at least the least 
inelegant)
> option which would be students' imo. And on a related note (and 
hoping I don
> t upset the original typist here) are any of the other pedants on 
the list
> having the urge to ignore the worry about the apostrophe and 
correct 'where'
> to 'were' and 'hall way' to hallway'?
> 
> My real problems with people mangling their grammar (and spelling 
when
> written) are that firstly, English is, or can be when used 
correctly, a very
> beautiful and expressive language and  usually the most grammatical 
usage is
> the most elegant whereas a lot of the more common mistakes sound 
harsh and
> look ugly. Actually, I personally find that a good rule of thumb 
when I'm
> not sure what is the most correct way of saying something - read 
each option
> out loud, generally the one that sounds best is right. My second 
problem is
> when it happens in a piece of fiction, unless the fiction is very 
well
> written I find I can easily become distracted by mentally 
correcting the
> grammar and spelling and find I'm not paying attention to the 
actual plot.
> 
> Of course the real problem with a lot of fic writers, not just fic 
writers
> but I read a lot of fanfiction so that's where I see it most, is 
their over
> reliance on the spell checker - if I see one more example of 
someone hoping
> that Voldemort (or whoever) will loose a battle I'm not going to be 
held
> responsible for my actions! I'm not saying anyone can be perfect - 
but that
> s why you get someone else to proof read for you, checking your own 
stuff is
> almost impossible because you know what you meant to write and your 
brain
> tells you that's what you're seeing.
>  
>  K

Jill wants to play, too:
The word slip that I have noticed several times lately is the use 
of "defiantly" when the person obviously means "definitely."

My husband and I have an occasional spat (more of a "playful 
discussion") about grammar and/or word usage.  The one he uses that 
drives me crazy is "irregardless."  He definitely means "regardless," 
so I don't know why the "ir-" is necessary.

Jill
Who needs to sign up for TFS, too.






From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri Apr  1 03:44:00 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 03:44:00 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <d2ho9t+lunn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2ig20+8291@eGroups.com>


I'm American.  I attended a Catholic primary school in California.
Some of the examples you quoted would have earned us a slap across the
knuckles with a ruler.

Here's how I learned: 

"Boy's club" is singular possessive pertaining to one boy - it's his club.

"Boys' club" is plural possessive  - a club for a group of boys.

Proper names ending in "s" are more troublesome.  I believe either way
is acceptable, though the Nuns at St Matthews preferred the possessive
of proper names ending in s as "ess apostrophe" - James' car, etc.

Interestingly, as for the minor differences in UK vs US spelling, the
UK spellcheck of MS-Word will accept either US or UK spelling.  The US
spellcheck will point out an error for "colour," "realise," etc.

Things must be getting confusing across the pond though.  You go to
the theatre for a play, and they hand you a programme.  What program
created the programme? (Though with different spellings, one is not
confused as to the meaning)

I often notice "Britspeak" used in American advertising when they want
to portray a degree of sophistication.  I doubt the English resort to
the same.



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sandra87b" <sandra87b at y...> 
> wrote:
> 
> Geoff:
> On reflection, perhaps I do use more commas with "which" than I 
> realised though, as I said previously, I still delete them 
> after "and" and "but".
> 
> Sandra:
> > Hello Geoff,
> > What a really good answer - I learned a thing or two from reading 
> it!
> > There's a book called 'Eats, Shoots & Leaves' which is very helpful 
> and entertaining, 
> > and I would suggest that anyone ought to take a good look through 
> it (unless this 
> > has already been mentioned).
> > 
> > Long live the pedants!
> 
> Geoff:
> Yes, this book got quite a lot of air time on TV programmes.
> 
> Another you would probably like is one written by John Humphrys, who 
> is a very well-known presenter of TV news programmes.
> 
> His book is called
> "Lost for Words" and sub-titled "The mangling and manipulating of the 
> English language"
> 
> It's published in the UK by Hodder & Stoughton, price ?14.99 and ISBN 
> 0 340 83658 X.
> 
> In message 26677 Storm wrote:
> 
> > LOL this is great. I want to join the TFS support group too!
> 
> > What about Annemehr's example of:
> > "the students' bags where all in the hall way"
> 
> > Or does (horror) the CMS call for:
> > "the students's bags where all in the hall way"
> 
> Geoff:
> Being serious, this question of adding an extra 's is Uk versus US 
> usage. In English, the correct version would be accepted as James' 
> and Sirius' etc. although many people would add an 's.
> 
> In your "students's" example above, that wouldn't happen in UK-speak 
> because this only arises with proper nouns. My church has a Boys' 
> Club and a Girls' Brigade for example. Although we usually capitalise 
> them, they're not technically proper nouns.
>  
> Geoff (who was tort to speak proper and naicely as a nipper)






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 06:50:43 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 06:50:43 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <d2ig20+8291@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2ir03+c502@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> wrote:

Joe Bento: 

<snip>
> Things must be getting confusing across the pond though.  You go to
> the theatre for a play, and they hand you a programme.  What program
> created the programme? (Though with different spellings, one is not
> confused as to the meaning)
> 
> I often notice "Britspeak" used in American advertising when they want
> to portray a degree of sophistication.  I doubt the English resort to
> the same.

Geoff:
The usually accepted UK use of "program/programme" is that the former 
is in computing and the latter for everything else.

There are places where US spelling creeps in. One of my pet annoyances 
is a chain of stores dealing with hardware - in particular for the 
bathroom and toilet - who have the name of "Plumb Center".






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  1 13:24:32 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:24:32 -0000
Subject: My Kafkaesque Day (very long, and not for the paranoid)
In-Reply-To: <d2hena+4qkm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2ji2g+53bn@eGroups.com>


storm:
Well I laughed! I hope your boss gave you more than beer.
the true bureaucratic experience!

Dungrollin:
Alas, nowt but beer and gratitude, both of which wore off pretty 
quickly.

Sarah:
> had a very tiring day at work,my head feels like it's going to split 
> open but you really made me laugh.  Ta!
> 

Dungrollin:
Hope the head's better today. The only way I got through it was by 
composing that email in my head as I was shunted from building to 
building. Assuming that it was all a sick joke perpetrated by someone 
unknown made me determined to laugh at it rather than be a bad sport.  
It's a good tactic for getting through bad days.

I'm exceptionally glad I haven't had to do it again, though.






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Fri Apr  1 13:45:51 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:45:51 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <424C8E8C.000001.01628@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEJMCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

In message 26677 Storm wrote:

> LOL this is great. I want to join the TFS support group too!

> What about Annemehr's example of:
> "the students' bags where all in the hall way"

> Or does (horror) the CMS call for:
> "the students's bags where all in the hall way"

K

When in doubt go for the more elegant (or at least the least inelegant)
option which would be students' imo. And on a related note (and hoping I don
t upset the original typist here) are any of the other pedants on the list
having the urge to ignore the worry about the apostrophe and correct 'where'
to 'were' and 'hall way' to hallway'?

Kathryn

not upset at all! Homophones are the bane of my life, though I have finally
sorted out which and witch, too and two and I am close on weather and
whether. There and their (but not they're) and where, were and wear are
still to come. But hey, it's only taken me 34 years to get the first two so
by the time I am 50 should all be good!

cheers
storm
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  1 17:59:08 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:59:08 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (not Geoff in particular; not him at all anymore)
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEJMCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <d2k25c+ui9f@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> wrote:

Homophones are the bane of my life, though I have finally
> sorted out which and witch, too and two and I am close on weather and
> whether. There and their (but not they're) and where, were and wear are
> still to come. But hey, it's only taken me 34 years to get the first
two so
> by the time I am 50 should all be good!

How about who's and whose?  If I think about it, I have no trouble
telling them apart, but when I'm just typing along with my mind on the
subject at hand, I invariably type the wrong one.

Annemehr






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  1 19:19:10 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:19:10 -0000
Subject: My Kafkaesque Day (very long, and not for the paranoid)
In-Reply-To: <d2gnfp+qvql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2k6re+tsdv@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> 
> I've just been cleaning up some old folders on my computer, and 
> found this, an account of a day I spent at Heathrow Airport on 
April 8th 2003, which I thought might make someone laugh.


Tonks:

Lol!!  I did get a kick out of it.  Unfortunately it reminds me of a 
very unpleasant experience with the customs from the US to Canada 
and back to the US. What a nightmare that was. So I am having 
flashbacks now.  I can't even talk about it. Let's just say that I 
may never go to Canada again!!  I am probably wanted there now 
anyway. (Just kidding
  well 
  maybe
)

It was just a nightmare.  And if you think of taking something to 
Canada to sell there
 well just don't.  It was hell, pure and 
simple.  Actually Hell might have been nicer.  Oh god, I have to go 
do something else to take my mind off of this
  I just can't go 
though the memory of this again.  Long, long, very narrow bright 
yellow halls going nowhere, not one chair in the place and truck 
drivers looking at me like I was some lost crazy lady.  And that 
nasty Immigration lady
  who tried to bait me after telling me that 
since I was not a citizen I could not sell anything, but had to hire 
a Canadian
 she wanted to see what I had to sell because her son 
might want one
  I almost fell for it too.  Not to mention the 
hours
  hours..   and more  hours
 without a chair
 hot day
 and why 
are the Canadians trucking garbage to the US anyway?
 oh the 
smell
   Flashbacks
  I just can't take it


Oh
 gotta go get some ice cream or chocolate
  If I were a drinker 
I'd say a stiff Scotch or two would be in order.  Bye..

Tonks_op







From plungy116 at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 19:23:57 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:23:57 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <d2ig20+8291@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2k74d+u1d8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> I often notice "Britspeak" used in American advertising when they want
> to portray a degree of sophistication.  I doubt the English resort to
> the same.


Oh yeah, I'm dead posh, me.
Sarah xx ;)






From plungy116 at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 19:27:27 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:27:27 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <d2k74d+u1d8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2k7av+ibhl@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > I often notice "Britspeak" used in American advertising when they 
want
> > to portray a degree of sophistication.  I doubt the English resort 
to
> > the same.
> 
> 
> Oh yeah, I'm dead posh, me.
> Sarah xx ;)

And the headache's just fine today dungrollin, thank you for asking. xx






From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 03:49:24 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:49:24 -0000
Subject: Word Spellchecker - Was Re: Correct Grammar
In-Reply-To: <4249E2ED.000001.00272@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2l4o4+cfln@eGroups.com>



> And on a slightly related note does anyone know why my spell checker 
> in word occasionally reverts back to American instead of English I
> (which is what have it set as)? I get really irritated with it when it 
> suddenly decides to tell me to replace my s with z (in -ise) and get .
> rid of the u (colour etc)
> K
> 

Valky:

I wish I knew. I had given up after, a few times, re-setting the
spellcheck to English just to be sure it was on. I suppose that it may
be that the creator of the English word list possessed only limited
knowledge of the language. I resolved that it might have been a person
who was native to American- English who compiled the list. 

Does anyone else know how we might get word to stop changing our
words.. ;D







From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  2 05:12:08 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:12:08 -0000
Subject: No more Dept. of Mysteries
Message-ID: <d2l9j8+km2h@eGroups.com>


I got an email today from Bob Sindeldecker (author of the "Dept. of 
Mysteries editorials on Mugglenet--I've emailed him before and he 
sent out a mass mailing to everyone in his address book, I think) 
announcing that Mugglenet has terminated relations with him.  The 
good news is his editorials have found a new home, at www.hp-
ohio.com, but I felt the need to come here and whine a bit, so 
indulge me.

According to Bob, Mugglenet found some of his columns to be too 
mature in the context of a site that caters to both adult and 
juvenile audiences.  I felt the editorials raised the tone of the 
website as a whole; I happen to like satirical wit.  This actually 
exemplifies my typical frustration with Mugglenet:  that there are so 
many (clueless) teenagers there, it's impossible to have any real 
discussions on HP topics (hence why I belong to HPFGU).  Anyway, I 
don't think there's anything to do about it but whine, but I have 
been regularly checking their updates to see when his new article 
would be posted.  I'm glad to know they've found a new home, and I 
think HP-ohio may suit them better because it is and adult group, but 
I honestly didn't see a problem with the articles themselves. 

I often get annoyed by the kids on Mugglenet's message boards; they 
often seem to have as much intelligence as Slytherin beaters.

Anyway, thanks for letting me rant.

imamommy






From seuferer at netins.net  Sat Apr  2 07:55:56 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:55:56 -0000
Subject: New Openings at Haunted Chambers, HP RPG run by adults
Message-ID: <d2lj6c+flck@eGroups.com>


Haunted Chambers, a Harry Potter Roleplaying game run by adults, has
several new openings and opportunities for mature players! We are a
message-board style game with forums in the Mauraders era, Harry
Potter years 1-5, and Harry Potter year 6. Our characters are welcome
to 'bounce around' in time (except in year 6 which we are keeping
chronological) to go back and develop relationships or histories with
each other when new people come on board.

Our average age of player is in the mid-20's, our 'wisest' player is
52, and youngest is 15. We have a good maturity level in our game and
good quality players, without being so rigid on
grammar/punctuation/length of post requirements as to be 
intimidating.

We do welcome well-thought-out original characters as well, but the
canons are a particular need to 'move ahead' with plot-things. This
list is by no means all-inclusive, we have many lesser canon
characters open that could certainly be developed into more
prominence, but these are simply our greatest area of need at 
present.

If more than one person applies for a character, we will evaluate the
applications and choose the best one based on knowledge and
understanding of the character, quality of the role-playing sample,
and the availability of the players to actually play their 
characters.

Most of our players check in on the board off and on through out the
day on most days. If you are only able to play a few times a week or
less, please consider applying for a less prominent character. We
would like our 'major' characters to be able to post an average of
once a day or better whenever possible.

The list:

Minerva McGonagall
Peter Pettigrew (needed for both HP year 6 things and also Maurader
Era threads)
Draco Malfoy
Narcissa Malfoy
Nymphadora Tonks
Luna Lovegood
Kingsley Shacklebolt
Crabbe and Goyle JR and SR to toady to the Malfoys JR and Sr. I would
let one person play these characters in pairs, and even run the
fathers and sons, though it would probably be more fun for the player
to only run two at the most.

We also need someone to come and 'Run' for Minister of Magic. JKR has
told us that Fudge will not be Minister of Magic anymore sometime in
book 6, but we do not know how this comes about. For the purposes of
our game, we are going to have Fudge lose an election sometime in
October or so, 'game' time. We would welcome either an Original
Character or a Canon character that makes sense to be in that role,
like Amelia Bones or Mathilda Goshawk to be developed into the new
Minister. This individual can have any loyalties he or she
chooses--Dumbledore, Voldemort, or his/her own Political gains
regardless of the machinations of war.

We are a fun and easy-going batch of people to play with. We welcome
new ideas and love pro-active players who aren't afraid to jump in 
and start threads and develop their characters, build relationships, 
all that fun stuff.

At this time we are still in 'summer' of Harry Potter year 6, so 
thereis plenty of time to get involved in the mayhem and excitement 
that will begin to blossom in the upcoming war, regardless of what 
side you wish to 'support'.

The main website can be found here:
http://www.hauntedchambers.net

You will find the initial joining application and character
application on the Rules board.

Any questions should be directed to the administration team here:
Haunted_chambers at yahoo.com

We look forward to hearing from you!







From nrenka at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 18:56:22 2005
From: nrenka at yahoo.com (nrenka)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:56:22 -0000
Subject: More on Yahoo Groups Changes
Message-ID: <d2mpsm+nhhm@eGroups.com>


Yahoo has now made me happy again.

One can choose to return to the more compressed display of messages.  
Above the message list are the options View: Simple/Summary/Expanded.  
This is very, very, nice.

Also, by clicking on "Date" in the message list, one can order it as 
either ascending or descending, depending on preferences.

WOOOO!

-Nora gets back to fun with saints






From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 22:17:01 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 22:17:01 -0000
Subject: The Pope
Message-ID: <d2n5kt+ojb9@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone!

Don't really know if anyone cares, but the Pope died today at 9:37 pm 
(Rome Time). He was a great leader for over 25byears and lead the 
catholic church into the 21st century. 

Juli






From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 23:03:59 2005
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:03:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Pope
In-Reply-To: <d2n5kt+ojb9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050402230359.91139.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>

God Bless the Pope and the world.

Tasha
30 weeks pregnant


--- jlnbtr <jlnbtr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> Don't really know if anyone cares, but the Pope died
> today at 9:37 pm 
> (Rome Time). He was a great leader for over 25byears
> and lead the 
> catholic church into the 21st century. 
> 
> Juli
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 02:26:15 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 02:26:15 -0000
Subject: The Pope
In-Reply-To: <d2n5kt+ojb9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2nk87+ak2u@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
> 
> Don't really know if anyone cares, but the Pope died today at 9:37 pm 
> (Rome Time). He was a great leader for over 25 years and lead the 
> catholic church into the 21st century. 
> 

Tonks:

I am not Roman Catholic but I really liked him. He was a good and holy 
man. I was in Rome in 1979 and was able to see him at an open air Mass 
on the feast of Corpus Cristi. When he raised the host as an offering 
to God, it was a very moving, awe inspiring moment. It was as if he 
were lifting the whole world to God. I will never forget it. I know God 
is saying "well done good and faithful servant."  May it one day be 
said of us all.

Blessings,
Tonks_op






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 02:31:26 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 02:31:26 -0000
Subject: More on Yahoo Groups Changes
In-Reply-To: <d2mpsm+nhhm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2nkhu+hovp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "nrenka" <nrenka at y...> wrote:
> 
> Yahoo has now made me happy again.
> 
> One can choose to return to the more compressed display of messages.  
> Above the message list are the options View: 
Simple/Summary/Expanded.  
> This is very, very, nice.
> 
> Also, by clicking on "Date" in the message list, one can order it as 
> either ascending or descending, depending on preferences.

Tonks:

Oh Nora, thank you!!  I didn't even see that. My gosh do you think that 
someone actually LISTENED to us?  I just can't believe it. Wonderful!!!

Tonks_op 






From ajillity at direcway.com  Sun Apr  3 03:07:32 2005
From: ajillity at direcway.com (Jill)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 03:07:32 -0000
Subject: Word Spellchecker - Was Re: Correct Grammar
In-Reply-To: <d2l4o4+cfln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2nmlk+kg64@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" 
<valkyrievixen at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > And on a slightly related note does anyone know why my spell 
checker 
> > in word occasionally reverts back to American instead of English I
> > (which is what have it set as)? I get really irritated with it 
when it 
> > suddenly decides to tell me to replace my s with z (in -ise) and 
get .
> > rid of the u (colour etc)
> > K
> > 
> 
> Valky:
> 
> I wish I knew. I had given up after, a few times, re-setting the
> spellcheck to English just to be sure it was on. I suppose that it 
may
> be that the creator of the English word list possessed only limited
> knowledge of the language. I resolved that it might have been a 
person
> who was native to American- English who compiled the list. 
> 
> Does anyone else know how we might get word to stop changing our
> words.. ;D

Jill:
I'm going to take a wild (well, maybe not wild) guess.  What language 
is your operating system set to?  Go to Start > Settings > Control 
Panel and then Regional and Language Options (I have Windows XP and 
if you don't it may be a bit different).  Mine is set to English 
(United States) and I wonder if maybe that's Microsoft's default.  
Maybe Word looks at the computer's setting each time it is launched 
and uses that over the setting from your previous Word session.  If 
it isn't already set correctly, try changing your computer's setting 
to English (United Kingdom), and then see what happens in Word.  At 
least it's something to try!

Jill
(who has a techie day job...can you tell?)






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Apr  3 03:14:30 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 03:14:30 -0000
Subject: Music /  Grammar /  poor brave Dungrollin / leftover princess
Message-ID: <d2nn2m+hovq@eGroups.com>


Sarah wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26619 :

<< Anyway I was thinking, what music would others listen to?
I'm listening to The Bends (Radiohead) at the moment, and I think it
sums up Sirius to a tee. Its melancholy and aggressive, and High and
Dry seems to be all about enigma and bravado and even mentions a
flying motorcycle ... >>

I am convinced that Sirius's favorite music was Led Zeppelin. I can
just *see* young Sirius bouncing around playing air guitar ... to
"Salty Dog", if you insist. I have no such certainty about the other
Marauders, altho' it would go with the popular sport of Peter-bashing
to suggest he like The Monkees. I've suggested that James shared my
taste for Jethro Tull and maybe Lupin liked Steeleye Span, Fairport
convention, or maybe Fleetwood Mac. 

<< I can see Arthur Weasley enjoying a bit of Deep Purple or Led
Zepplin! >>

I see Arthur as both too old and too passive for even early metal! My
best guess is that he, like my friend Lee, grew up when Frank Sinatra
was the most popular singer, and never stopped loving Sinatra. I've
always just assumed that Celestina Warbeck was that style of singing,
like maybe Rosemary Clooney or Barbra Streisand in the old days.

Btw I suppose that JKR intended 'Warbeck' to sound like 'warble' but
to me it always sounds like 'war beak' and makes me think of birds
fighting, not singing.

Carol wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26672 :

<< Regarding "which," the usual practice is to use "which" and commas
for nonrestrictive clauses (the kind that can be removed from a
sentence without changing its meaning or making it ungrammatical and
"that" without commas for restrictive clauses (which can't be removed
without altering the meaning of the sentence).

For example: English literature, which I studied for too many years to
count, was my favorite subject.

But:

The English literature course that I took in my last year of college
was my favorite. >>

Does anyone have a mnemonic device for that? 

Seriously, I was told about that rule around 15 years ago and have
been trying to memorize it ever since ... not continuously trying, as
when I quickly forget it, I have to go around asking people to tell me
it again.

Dungrollin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTC
hatter/message/26684 :

What an unpleasant adventure! I laughed and was glad it wasn't me. I
hope your boss paid you back the money you spent on phone calls -- and
why didn't you take a taxi from the tube station to his office?

Weeks and weeks ago, Storm mentioned that being a lesbian severely
reduced her chances of meeting a stranger & falling in love & getting
married as a love-match & getting the title Princess as a result of
the marriage. 

Not merely because the estimate that 10% (or 3% or whatever, the point
is it's a minority) of the general population is gay suggests that
only 10% (or 3% or whatever) of Princes and Princesses are gay.

But because the usual rules of etiquette and/or peerage usually make
the spouse of a male share his title and not the spouse of a female
share her title. So Prince Jack of Beanstalk's wife would be Princess
Jack of Beanstalk, but if his sister Princess Jill of Beanstalk
married Mr Joe Sixpack, instead of Joe becoming Prince Jill, Jill
would become Mrs Joe Sixpack. Actually I *think* they would be Mr Joe
and Princess Jill Sixpack. I think the only time a man is titled
"Prince" as result of marrying a Princess is when the Princess is the
heir to her country's throne; then the Parliament or something gives
him a title of Prince.

So Storm would have to make a love-marriage with not just any lesbian
princess, but with a lesbian princess who is the heir to her country's
throne.






From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 03:53:31 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 03:53:31 -0000
Subject: Word Spellchecker - Was Re: Correct Grammar
In-Reply-To: <d2nmlk+kg64@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2npbr+dcqo@eGroups.com>


-
> Jill:
> I'm going to take a wild (well, maybe not wild) guess.  What language 
> is your operating system set to?  Go to Start > Settings > Control 
> Panel and then Regional and Language Options (I have Windows XP and 
> if you don't it may be a bit different).  Mine is set to English 
> (United States) and I wonder if maybe that's Microsoft's default.  
> Maybe Word looks at the computer's setting each time it is launched 
> and uses that over the setting from your previous Word session.  If 
> it isn't already set correctly, try changing your computer's setting 
> to English (United Kingdom), and then see what happens in Word.  At 
> least it's something to try!
> 
> Jill
> (who has a techie day job...can you tell?)


Valky:
Wow thanks Jill, I did try that at first it didn't work but then I
reset the language in word (in three different settings places? whats
that about?) and restarted word, then it seems to have saved my settings..

I hope it sticks when I restart windows....

...... anyway thanks for the help Jill :D

Valky







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr  3 04:02:16 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 3 Apr 2005 04:02:16 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1112500936.12.43035.m23@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 3, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Apr  3 10:15:31 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:15:31 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Word Spellchecker - Was Re: Correct Grammar
References: <d2nmlk+kg64@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <424FC243.000001.01952@KATHRYN>


 
Jill
(who has a techie day job...can you tell?)
 
 
And thank God for techie - but no that doesn't help me, although I will
check, because it doesn't change *every* time I use word, just sometimes. I
don't usually notice till I am in the middle of a spell check and it starts
to pick up English spellings. Personally I think my computer is just
possessed.

K 
 
 
 

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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sun Apr  3 10:56:36 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:56:36 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re:  / leftover princess
In-Reply-To: <d2nn2m+hovq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEKPCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

The lovely Catlady said ..

So Storm would have to make a love-marriage with not just any lesbian
princess, but with a lesbian princess who is the heir to her country's
throne.
_____________

And what do you think of my chances of that? I feel sure I am doomed to see
out my life as a commoner!

cheers

storm in Sydney where passing royals are few.

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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr  3 15:02:07 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 3 Apr 2005 15:02:07 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1112540527.24.6294.m1@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 3, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 16:33:48 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:33:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes
Message-ID: <20050403163348.72104.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>

*puts finishing touches on the decorations, pondering
the need for more balloons*

Yes, we have a belated party to get underway today,
though I've no doubt that some of you started
yesterday without my reminder. :)

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Naama Amanar.
Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to: naama2486 at yahoo.com

I hope your day was magical and filled with HP
goodness. 

Happy Birthday, Naama!

*wanders off towards the tables of food*

Sheryll, now returning as the regularly scheduled
Birthday Elf 

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sun Apr  3 17:48:56 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (mumweasley7)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:48:56 -0000
Subject: Plot Thickens
Message-ID: <d2paa8+ler6@eGroups.com>


Is anyone having trouble getting into The Plot Thickens forums?

Shalimar






From hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Apr  3 21:34:39 2005
From: hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk (hpfgu_elves)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:34:39 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
Message-ID: <d2pnhf+jlbc@eGroups.com>


Greetings from Hexquarters!

While we understand that this event has affected many people around 
the world, including those in our own communities, we would like to 
ask people to take their discussions on this subject to a more 
appropriate forum.  Not everyone shares the same opinions on 
contentious issues like religion, and so we believe it is best for 
this list to request that members discuss certain topics elsewhere.  
Future posts on this subject will be removed.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Alto Elf, for the HPfGU Administration Team






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 23:18:19 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:18:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <d2pnhf+jlbc@eGroups.com>
References: <d2pnhf+jlbc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005040316187506e6f2@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 3, 2005 5:34 PM, hpfgu_elves <hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> ask people to take their discussions on this subject to a more
> appropriate forum.  Not everyone shares the same opinions on
> contentious issues like religion, and so we believe it is best for
> this list to request that members discuss certain topics elsewhere.

I may be in the minority--and my mom decided to make me a Buddhist
when I was an infant--but I don't mind if Catholics/Christians want to
do a 'Godspeed you on your way to heaven' bit.

I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher--amusing show at times but I
don't agree with everything--last week and topics included
controversial decisions by the Pope, Michael Jackson, Terri Schiavo
(even though I supported Kerry and my mom supported Bush, we both
agreed she should've died a *long* time ago - and we live in the same
county to where it went down), among others.

I'm fairly certain I saw threads on politics prior to the elections
that were equally, if not more so, volatile in nature here.  The Leaky
Cauldron got chewed out for a political post, which I supported the
decision a fandom site should stick with topics about Harry Potter.

However, this is an off-topic group.  Are religious discussions banned
from here?  Granted, I'm not really a fan of religion, but as long as
no one tries to convert me, hey, I was born an American and we're
taught freedom of religion.

Simple curiosity, if folks remain polite, are certain topics still
banned from an off-topic group?

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Apr  4 02:49:52 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:49:52 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <20050404023945.90940.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c538c0$fa448d00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Just because he was the Pope, doesn't
mean we shouldn't honor the man he was.
Religion does not always play a part
when one wishes to give their respects
upon the death of a great human being.

I could have sworn the three banned
topic had been rescinded, leaving them
free to be discussed, religion being
one of them (Religion, politics,
and...Hitler?  I can never remember the
third).  This of course could have
changed in the time since I was an
admin but then it would have been
announced..wouldn't it?

So, what's up Admin Team?  Why can we
not say our respects for the man
without discussing religion when it is
no longer a banned topic, or if it is,
why was it not given (I may have missed
it so if you did say the ban was back
in effect, please lemme know).

*pokes* This IS OT-Chatter...isn't it?

Saitaina
for herself


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 02:59:08 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:59:08 -0400
Subject: Got a new pet bird today
Message-ID: <1a27384005040319594634e9e8@mail.gmail.com>

Earlier today, I went with my mom, brother, and his wife to a bird
'show' held by the Suncoast Avian Society in Pinellas Park.  Not as
packed as some of the other ones I had been to in the past (*years*
back) but plenty of lovely birds.  It's kinda funny how I can still
think of these baby birds as adorable with gangly limbs and naked skin
with 'pin' feathers sprouting all over.

I ended up with a new pet cockatiel as a birthday present.  My mom,
brother, his wife, and I chipped in to fork over the money to buy her
as a birthday present--err, my dad finally sent a birthday card a week
after my birthday, so at least I feel better about that... y'know,
it's disappointing when a parent forgets your birthday and there's a
messy divorce still going on. :-(  Anyway, she's a whiteface split to
pearl, though, she doesn't have a white mask.  Unlike normal grey
cockatiels, she doesn't have the yellow mask or orange cheeks.  She's
all grey with white spots where white feathers are mixed with grey. 
There's also a white stripe above her nose, which both my brother and
I joked about her being like Spike from Gremlins, and a white collar
on the back of her neck.  Overall, nice personality and gentle.  Since
I'm bad with names and I kept calling her 'pretty bird', my mom
suggested I call her Pretty... Kinda lame, I know, but does the job.
{g}

I guess cat folk say they like hearing the purring of a cat when it's
content.  Well, birds make their own 'purring' sound, and even though
it doesn't sound as soft, there is something nice about knowing a pet
you're holding is happy.

Dina



From department.of.mysteries at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 06:33:34 2005
From: department.of.mysteries at gmail.com (Kaesa Aurelia)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 01:33:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <d2pnhf+jlbc@eGroups.com>
References: <d2pnhf+jlbc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a98447530504032333191d5c8a@mail.gmail.com>

As a stereotypically cynical teen, agnostic Jew, and general
all-around secular person who often gets very irritated with the
general Christian-centricness of American culture, I have *absolutely
no problem* with discussion of the Pope's death.  Now, not being a
very experienced HPFGU member, I am not entirely sure where previous
Admin decisions on this subject lie, but I don't think this topic is
likely to start a flamewar - I mean, how many people would seriously
get angry with posters for mourning a religious leader's death?  It'd
be one thing if someone on the main list started sending tearful
emails, but this is where everyone sort of unwinds and talks about
silly things.  I think that if people are upset about it (or maybe
okay with it because he's "gone to a better place") it'd make sense to
post to the OT list.  It just seems kind of silly to cut off
conversation so quickly about something so harmless.

Personally, if the Pope posts start getting to me so much that I feel
the urge to fly into a murderous rage, I'll just delete them.  I doubt
anything like that will happen, though.

~Kaesa, who *does* hope he's gone to a better place, because better
places are, well, nicer than the alternatives.



From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 09:49:49 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:49:49 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
Message-ID: <d2r2jt+eov1@eGroups.com>


Kaesa:
Now, not being a very experienced HPFGU member, I am not entirely 
sure where previous Admin decisions on this subject lie, but I don't 
think this topic is likely to start a flamewar - I mean, how many 
people would seriously get angry with posters for mourning a 
religious leader's death?

Saitana:
Just because he was the Pope, doesn't mean we shouldn't honor the man 
he was. Religion does not always play a part when one wishes to give 
their respects upon the death of a great human being.

I could have sworn the three banned topic had been rescinded, leaving 
them free to be discussed, religion being one of them (Religion, 
politics, and...Hitler? I can never remember the third).

Dina:
However, this is an off-topic group. Are religious discussions banned 
from here? <snip>
Simple curiosity, if folks remain polite, are certain topics still
banned from an off-topic group?

Carolyn:
As I recall, the three banned topics used to be politics, religion 
and the holocaust. The current rules seem to be as set out here:
 

(HPfGU FAQ document http://sitepalace.com/hbfile/faq.html):

<<Q: Are any discussion topics banned?

Not right now. In the past, some topics were banned when it became 
clear that list members could not remain civil during these 
discussions.  We would prefer not to ban topics, but reserve the 
right to impose a ban should it become necessary.>>

In this instance, Admin has indicated that this topic is off-limits, 
and I would like to thank them for that decision. 

The Pope represents a particular set of beliefs which many people 
feel very strongly about. It may be possible to have an objective 
discussion about the issues involved, but it is unlikely. The 
messages which have been posted already imply that everyone can at 
least agree he was a 'great' man, for instance - a POV which I find 
extremely offensive, and profoundly disagree with.

I don't want to start a flame war, and will not post further about 
the subject, but the topic is one which is very far from innocuous.








From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 11:47:59 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:47:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <d2r2jt+eov1@eGroups.com>
References: <d2r2jt+eov1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050404044777076825@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 4, 2005 5:49 AM, carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:

> In this instance, Admin has indicated that this topic is off-limits,
> and I would like to thank them for that decision.

Your opinion, which I'm fine with.  Personally, I wasn't contesting
their decision.  However, as you once again brought up the rules,
which was a lengthy read last time I went through them, the ban on
religion was removed.  Yes, I know there's an additional clause but I
find that clause... hm, convenient for some:

[[but reserve the right to impose a ban should it become necessary]]

Should it become necessary.

Last I saw, it didn't appear necessary.  I'm annoyed to downright
*angered* by some Catholic/Christian/whatever decisions (pro-choice
gal who likes sex with gals and can cuss up a storm and readily says
God in vain - plus, I totally support stem cell research) but I
understand there are some fandom folk who have strong religious ties. 
For at least a short period, I can, if not out of respect for the
Pope, then out of respect for fellow fandom folk in a time when they
need to voice their mourning, and sometimes, fandom folk become like
an 'extended family' to some.  I have an overly religious mom and it
drives me insane, but I understand she needs her beliefs.

Anyway, the admin post was made and my question blanketed 'will *all*
religious topics be banned'?  Rather than pick and choose, it'd make
the rules easier to decipher.

Dina



From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 13:19:51 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050404131951.69139.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>



carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:

The messages which have been posted already imply that everyone can at least agree he was a 'great' man, for instance - a POV which I find extremely offensive, and profoundly disagree with.

I don't want to start a flame war, and will not post further about the subject, but the topic is one which is very far from innocuous.



 

I have not posted on this site or the main site in a long while (I had a death in my immediate family and have not felt much like anything).  As most of you who have been around for a while know, I am very wiccan and can bristle strongly at christian posts (I have even gone so far as to block any Hans posts from even coming through).  I have to say that while many of the things that the Pope stood for, I do not agree with, he was a great man.  He stood for what he believed in.  He reached out to without trying to change people who believed differently than him.  As far as we know, he was not corrupt in any way - which is very rare for someone with power.  So while I do not agree with him, I have lit a candle for him on my pagan altar and have shed a couple of tears in respect.  Men (or women) like him are very rare and precious.  The world is a little darker today.

 

moonmyyst


		
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From hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 16:59:08 2005
From: hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk (hpfgu_elves)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:59:08 -0000
Subject: SECOND ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
Message-ID: <d2rros+rdlt@eGroups.com>


Greetings from Hexquarters!

Our apologies, everyone, we seem to have jumped the gun; the elves are 
duly chastising themselves for this with much ironing of the fingers 
and slamming of ears in the oven door.

We want to clarify that this type of discussion is permissible; 
religion, along with other topics like politics, world leaders, and so 
forth, are *not* banned topics in HPFGU-OTChatter, but certainly ones 
that can provoke strong and heated comments. The posts made here so 
far have been fine, and this discussion may continue.

We do ask that people remember that we have a very diverse community. 
Please, everyone, keep in mind the flame-war potential of this topic.

Yours,

Kroppy Elf, for the HPfGU Administration Team







From snapesangel2002 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 17:22:24 2005
From: snapesangel2002 at yahoo.co.uk (laura)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:22:24 -0000
Subject: Live near Cardiff?
Message-ID: <d2rt4g+j36e@eGroups.com>


Hey there,

Just found this group: http://www.harrypotter.meetup.com/326/  and it 
could do with livening up a bit. Well, a lot ;) So if you live near 
Cardiff and wanna discuss HP, or if you're thinking of going to Accio, 
go sign up!

Laura*








From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 17:51:14 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:51:14 -0000
Subject: Hans posts: was Pope posts (or similar, sorry deleted title)
In-Reply-To: <20050404131951.69139.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d2ruqi+8io5@eGroups.com>


>As most of you who have been around for a while know, I am very wiccan 
>and can bristle strongly at christian posts (I have even gone so far 
>as to block any Hans posts from even coming through).  
> moonmyyst

Just goes to show how people look at things differently.  I haven't 
been 'here' long but already just skip all Hans posts, having read 2 or 
3 and been totally bewildered by them.  You're saying (I think) that 
they are Christian posts whereas I assumed he was referring to some 
obscure cult or something I had never heard of - LOL!!!

Karen







From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 18:01:10 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:01:10 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I  - and how will I cope?!
Message-ID: <d2rvd6+s4ch@eGroups.com>


I have ordered HBP from Amazon and cannot wait for the 16th July to 
arrive - along with one or two of you I understand!

I have a long standing arrangement - ie it's all booked and has been 
for a long while - to take my small son to the seaside for the 
weekend together with his friend and his friend's Mum.

It has just sunk in that we are going on the 15th of July and coming 
back on the 17th.   AAAAAgggggghhhhhh!  How could I be such an 
idiot?!

I could just go and buy another copy at the seaside but then I will 
just want to read it and that would be really rude.  I can't cancel 
as that would be letting everyone down but I'll be really bad 
company as I'll be on tenterhooks just dying to get back home to 
read it.

So, when you are all reading your copies at 00:05 on 16th July, 
please spare a small thought for me because I will be banging my 
head on a table and shutting my ears in the oven door in a small 
caravan at a seaside resort on the east coast of England!!

Karen






From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 19:23:34 2005
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:23:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d2rvd6+s4ch@eGroups.com>
References: <d2rvd6+s4ch@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4a040d050404122327f6af2c@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 4, 2005 1:01 PM, Karen Barker <karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have ordered HBP from Amazon and cannot wait for the 16th July to 
> arrive - along with one or two of you I understand!
> 
> I have a long standing arrangement - ie it's all booked and has been 
> for a long while - to take my small son to the seaside for the 
> weekend together with his friend and his friend's Mum.
> 
> It has just sunk in that we are going on the 15th of July and coming 
> back on the 17th.   AAAAAgggggghhhhhh!  How could I be such an 
> idiot?!
> 
> I could just go and buy another copy at the seaside but then I will 
> just want to read it and that would be really rude.  I can't cancel 
> as that would be letting everyone down but I'll be really bad 
> company as I'll be on tenterhooks just dying to get back home to 
> read it.
> 
> So, when you are all reading your copies at 00:05 on 16th July, 
> please spare a small thought for me because I will be banging my 
> head on a table and shutting my ears in the oven door in a small 
> caravan at a seaside resort on the east coast of England!!
> 
> Karen
> 

You know what I do is order from Amazon the special deluxe copy of the
book then wait up all night and party with the rest of the plant and
get the regular copy at midnight so I can read and be happy!! 
Otherwise I would have the same situation as you!!  Good luck!!

Tonya



From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 19:45:58 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:45:58 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <d2r2jt+eov1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2s5hm+9cli@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:

Carolyn:

<snip>

> The Pope represents a particular set of beliefs which many people 
> feel very strongly about. It may be possible to have an objective 
> discussion about the issues involved, but it is unlikely. The 
> messages which have been posted already imply that everyone can at 
> least agree he was a 'great' man, for instance - a POV which I find 
> extremely offensive, and profoundly disagree with.

Geoff:
Those of you who bother to read my ramblings on the main group will 
know that I am an evangelical Protestant Christian and, as such, I 
would profoundly disagree with many of the things which Catholics 
consider to be vital for their faith. I share with them the very 
basic belief that Christ died for us and rose again and offers 
salvation to those who truly believe in him. I accept that there are 
many people who do not hold that view but I believe that 
disagreements can still be expressed in a civilised way.

I feel I must disagree with Carolyn in her view of the late Pope and 
I think that many millions of people in Eastern Europe would do so 
too. A "great" man does not have to be flawless or a saint - or seen 
as such by outside observers. We in the UK have the example of 
Winston Churchill in that instance but I believe that God can use 
weak people, unbelieving people and flawed people to carry out his 
purposes.

I remember clearly watching with amazement and bated breath when the 
Pope returned to Poland in 1979 and encouraged Lech Walesa and his 
colleagues to continue with their stand in the Gdansk shipyard 
standoff - and it ultimately paid off. That was a catalyst to the 
weakening of the Communist hold over Eastern Europe and the eventual 
breaking of the chains which had held them for so long.

I was fascinated yesterday evening when the BBC ran a piece of 
archive film showing a meeting between John Paul II and Mikhail 
Gorbachov remembering how these two men, diametrically opposed in 
their world view, inspired to rewrite the political and geographical 
map of Europe in the late 1980s.







From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 19:53:02 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:53:02 -0000
Subject: Hans posts and Christian posts
In-Reply-To: <d2ruqi+8io5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2s5uu+92cv@eGroups.com>


moonmyyst:
>As most of you who have been around for a while know, I am very wiccan 
>and can bristle strongly at christian posts (I have even gone so far 
>as to block any Hans posts from even coming through).  

Geoff:
I think we find ourselves to be oddly in agreement here because most of 
the Christians I know on the group bristle at Hans' posts...

...and at people who imply that the Rosicrucian posts and Christian 
posts are one and the same thing. They ain't!
:-)






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 20:04:24 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hans posts and Christian posts
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050404200425.64501.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>



Geoff Bannister <gbannister10 at aol.com> wrote:
Geoff:
...and at people who imply that the Rosicrucian posts and Christian 
posts are one and the same thing. They ain't!
:-)





Sorry Geoff!!  just goes to show how much I tune him out!!  I hate to be preached at by him.  

I love your posts though.... may not always agree with them, but they are presented in a way that shows respect for the reader and offers something to think about.

moonmyyst 

 

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 20:17:29 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:17:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hans posts and Christian posts
In-Reply-To: <d2s5uu+92cv@eGroups.com>
References: <d2ruqi+8io5@eGroups.com> <d2s5uu+92cv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050404131757784ab3@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 4, 2005 3:53 PM, Geoff Bannister <gbannister10 at aol.com> wrote:

> I think we find ourselves to be oddly in agreement here because most of
> the Christians I know on the group bristle at Hans' posts...

Hm, I don't even know who Hans is. {g}  If he posts on the main list,
goes to show how much I read on the main list... I'm a *very* slow
reader.

Dina



From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr  4 20:17:25 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:17:25 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <d2s5hm+9cli@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4251A0D5.000003.01836@KATHRYN>

 

Geoff:

I feel I must disagree with Carolyn in her view of the late Pope and
I think that many millions of people in Eastern Europe would do so
too. A "great" man does not have to be flawless or a saint - or seen
as such by outside observers. We in the UK have the example of
Winston Churchill in that instance but I believe that God can use
weak people, unbelieving people and flawed people to carry out his
purposes.
 
I remember clearly watching with amazement and bated breath when the
Pope returned to Poland in 1979 and encouraged Lech Walesa and his
colleagues to continue with their stand in the Gdansk shipyard
standoff - and it ultimately paid off. That was a catalyst to the
weakening of the Communist hold over Eastern Europe and the eventual
breaking of the chains which had held them for so long.
 
K

Frankly if John Paul II was fulfilling God's purpose then I will have to
onsider becoming an atheist. I think he was a hypocrite in some cases. In
other cases it's all very well people saying he was a man of faith who had
deeply held beliefs but I think some of those beliefs were not only
misguided but wrong and verging on evil. Yes I did say evil.

His rulings on contraception were directly responsible for intensifying the
AIDS crisis in some areas of the world. It's all very well claiming that
fidelity will protect you but if you're being faithful, probably in part due
to lack of time and energy, as you struggle to make ends meet and feed your
8 children while living in a slum somewhere, but your husband is off
screwing an infected prostitute then it won't do you the slightest bit of
good. I understand that the Catholic Church believes contraception to be
wrong but this isn't a perfect world and the church should have been making
a stand saying that the condom is the lesser of two evils in my opinion.
Many of the people who are universally considered to have been evil
dictators are not as responsible for as many deaths as these rulings.

As for his political influence he actively encouraged Solidarity in Poland
but in Latin and South America he rebuked and punished priests for
supporting the left wing people's movements in their struggle against
right-wing dictatorships - saying that priests shouldn't get involved in
politics. Bearing in mind his own actions in Poland that was hypocritical in
the extreme. 

People are praising him for standing firm and having strong beliefs - but
for me many of those beliefs were wrong and I don't really care how honestly
he believed he was doing right I believe he was doing wrong.

The calls to rename him John Paul the Great just make me want to throw up in
disgust
 
 K

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Apr  4 20:22:15 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:22:15 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <d2s5hm+9cli@eGroups.com> <4251A0D5.000003.01836@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <008401c53953$fe6f4120$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

K wrote:

<People are praising him for standing
firm and having strong beliefs - but
for me many of those beliefs were wrong
and I don't really care how honestly
he believed he was doing right I
believe he was doing wrong. >

But doesn't he have a right to belive
those beliefs and stand for them?  How
can we fault the man for standing for
what he believed in when we do that
same.  No matter what you think of the
beliefs themselves, I belive in
respecting him for having the courage
to stand for them.

I don't agree with everything he's said
or believed, but to me, that's not the
point here.  The point is remembering a
man who had the courage to belive what
he would, who stood for those, right or
wrong and took on his opponents.

If nothing else, I have to respect a
man who opening spoke his mind to the
President of the United States many
times over.  Very few people, even
Americans would have the same courage
to be so honest in the face of our
leader.  (please note that last
paragraph was a lame attempt at humor.)

But hey, you don't have to like the
guy.  No one will like everyone.
*shrugs*

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 20:36:09 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:36:09 -0000
Subject: Hans posts and Christian posts
In-Reply-To: <20050404200425.64501.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d2s8fp+3oe0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:

moonmyyst:
> Sorry Geoff!!  just goes to show how much I tune him out!!  I hate to 
be preached at by him.  
> 
> I love your posts though.... may not always agree with them, but they 
are presented in a way that shows respect for the reader and offers 
something to think about.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  (was that enough kissing up for the $20 that you promised me?)  

Shhhhhhh.

Don't let on publicly. They'll all be wanting to join in.
:-))






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 21:02:41 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:02:41 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <4251A0D5.000003.01836@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2sa1h+do5m@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  
> 
> Geoff:
> 
> I feel I must disagree with Carolyn in her view of the late Pope and
> I think that many millions of people in Eastern Europe would do so
> too. A "great" man does not have to be flawless or a saint - or seen
> as such by outside observers. We in the UK have the example of
> Winston Churchill in that instance but I believe that God can use
> weak people, unbelieving people and flawed people to carry out his
> purposes.
>  
> I remember clearly watching with amazement and bated breath when the
> Pope returned to Poland in 1979 and encouraged Lech Walesa and his
> colleagues to continue with their stand in the Gdansk shipyard
> standoff - and it ultimately paid off. That was a catalyst to the
> weakening of the Communist hold over Eastern Europe and the eventual
> breaking of the chains which had held them for so long.
>  
> K
> 
> Frankly if John Paul II was fulfilling God's purpose then I will 
have to
> onsider becoming an atheist. I think he was a hypocrite in some 
cases. In
> other cases it's all very well people saying he was a man of faith 
who had
> deeply held beliefs but I think some of those beliefs were not only
> misguided but wrong and verging on evil. Yes I did say evil.
 
Geoff:
I did say that I didn't agree with some of the things the Catholic 
Church holds to be important for faith and I would agree with you 
that some of their doctrines which he upheld were wrong.

I'm not sure I would go as far as to call him a hypocrite, who is a 
person who claims to support ideas or to be a person which they are 
not. I'm not going to itemise your comments because you hold these 
views deeply and some, such as contraception, I would be in agreement 
with. One comment I would make and that is in connection with your 
feelings on his attitude to liberation theology in South America.

There was an interesting programme on BBC television yesterday 
looking at his life and it pointed out that his views were coloured 
by his own experiences in Poland where he lived for 40 years under 
dictatorships, one of them certainly left-wing. Let me say that I 
abhor dictatorships of any political colour or wing.

For me, I believe that any person, "great" or Joe Public, is flawed. 
We are not perfect; we all accept wrong ideas and perform 
questionable actions, whether those affect just ourselves or the 
future of the world. we have only to look at other leaders around the 
world to see the differences in reaction that they produce. I hope I 
don't tread on anyone's toes here but I, as a British observer, find 
myself totally in disagreement over many actions taken by the 
American President and, as a corollary to that, actions taken by our 
Prime Minister. Others will rubbish my views because they are at the 
other side of the spectrum. This is along the lines of "One man's 
freedom fighter is another man's terrorist".






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr  4 21:22:56 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:22:56 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <d2sa1h+do5m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4251B030.000001.00456@KATHRYN>


 
Geoff:
I did say that I didn't agree with some of the things the Catholic
Church holds to be important for faith and I would agree with you
that some of their doctrines which he upheld were wrong.
 
I'm not sure I would go as far as to call him a hypocrite, who is a
person who claims to support ideas or to be a person which they are
not.

<snip>
 
There was an interesting programme on BBC television yesterday
looking at his life and it pointed out that his views were coloured
by his own experiences in Poland where he lived for 40 years under
dictatorships, one of them certainly left-wing. Let me say that I
abhor dictatorships of any political colour or wing.
 
K

And that's why I said he was a hypocrite. While I agree with you about his
motivations the reason he gave for telling the priests in South America they
were wrong was that priests should not get involved in politics. Clearly in
practice his policy was priests should not get involved in politics except
when they agree with my politics. If it was wrong for South American priests
to oppose regimes there it was wrong for him to do so in Eastern Europe. One
rule for him, another for other priests. Hence my use of the word hypocrite.

Whether priests should get involved or not is another discussion altogether.

K

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr  4 21:27:31 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:27:31 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <008401c53953$fe6f4120$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <4251B143.000003.00456@KATHRYN>

 

From: Saitaina


 
But doesn't he have a right to belive
those beliefs and stand for them?  How
can we fault the man for standing for
what he believed in when we do that
same.  No matter what you think of the
beliefs themselves, I belive in
respecting him for having the courage
to stand for them.
 

K

Oh I absolutely agree he had a right to stand up for what he believed in. My
point was that standing up for what you believe in does not in and of itself
make you a great person.

I might stand up and say I believed the moon was made of green cheese and be
willing to stick to that point of view no matter how much I was ridiculed.
But no matter how sincere I was it wouldn't make me great - just an idiot. A
well-intentioned and sincere idiot possible, but an idiot all the same.

I believe that some of the Pope's beliefs are directly responsible for a
great many deaths. He absolutely had the right to hold those beliefs and to
stand up for them - but it certainly doesn't make him great in my book -
that's what I was arguing against the belief that because you are rigid and
unbending in your beliefs you must be great. I fully acknowledge that
somepeople  believe he was great and that they have the right to say that.
Doesn't change the fact that every time I hear it I want to throw up.

K

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From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 23:48:23 2005
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:48:23 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d4a040d050404122327f6af2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d2sjo7+rrf0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tonya Minton 
<tonyaminton at g...> wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2005 1:01 PM, Karen Barker <karenabarker at y...> wrote:

> > So, when you are all reading your copies at 00:05 on 16th July, 
> > please spare a small thought for me because I will be banging my 
> > head on a table and shutting my ears in the oven door in a small 
> > caravan at a seaside resort on the east coast of England!!

If it makes you feel any better... I am in Iraq, and everyone wants to 
take their leave in July and there are only so many slots, so I gave 
up and applied for May, so that means who knows how long the book will 
take to reach me-- and that also means no checking any newsgroups or 
web sites that might give any spoilers, for as long too!  <:-P  Try to 
distract yourself at the sea and enjoy it... GOod luck,

A.J.






From pip at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 23:54:35 2005
From: pip at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:54:35 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <4251A0D5.000003.01836@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2sk3r+a997@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:

> His rulings on contraception were directly responsible for 
> intensifying the AIDS crisis in some areas of the world. It's all 
> very well claiming that fidelity will protect you but if you're 
> being faithful, probably in part due to lack of time and energy, 
> as you struggle to make ends meet and feed your 8 children while 
> living in a slum somewhere, but your husband is off screwing an    
> infected prostitute then it won't do you the slightest bit of
> good. I understand that the Catholic Church believes contraception 
> to be wrong but this isn't a perfect world and the church should 
> have been making a stand saying that the condom is the lesser of 
two evils in my opinion.


Did you notice that you blamed the Pope rather than the husband?{g} 

The nasty fact is that a 100% devotion of the human population to 
abstinence and/or fidelity to one partner would kill most sexually 
transmitted diseases stone dead within a very few years. It'd 
probably also decrease the murder rate and the divorce rate. {g}

Is it likely to happen? No. Just as a murder free world isn't likely 
to happen. Should the Pope have stopped preaching in favour of the 
abstinence/fidelity his church believes in, when the consequences of 
following that policy are good, and the consequences of not 
following it can be positively suicidal?

I'd say no, just as I'd say he shouldn't have stopped preaching 
against murder because people get murdered every day. Should he have 
told people that if they *must* practice infidelity, at least use a 
condom (which his church also doesn't believe in)? 

Put it this way: carrying a handgun is illegal in the UK. Should I 
tell someone 'don't carry a handgun, it's wrong, people get killed: 
but if you *must*, make sure the safety's on'?

I'm not a Roman Catholic; I was educated in a Convent School but 
joined the Church of England - which probably tells you how much I 
disagree with the views of the late Pope. Certainly I disagree with 
his views on contraception. But ... actions have consequences. Your 
feckless husband killed his wife by giving her AIDS, just as some 
feckless teenager killed an innocent bystander by missing the gang 
rival he was shooting at. You can try to solve these problems (and 
the suffering of the innocent) by handing out condoms - or by 
issuing bullet proof jackets to the general populace.

But there's a deeper root to the problem. The Pope preached that the 
true solution was not condoms, it was for the husband (or wife) to 
not sleep around. I might disagree with his approach, argue that 
there should be a belt and braces approach of preaching fidelity 
*and* wide availability of condoms. But I wouldn't call him a 
hypocrite, or say that his preaching was evil. Because he was right -
 fidelity *is* a true solution.  We want to make concessions to 
human frailty; he argues that 'human frailty' is just a convenient 
excuse for evil conduct. But both of us agree that we don't want the 
wife to get AIDS; what we're arguing about is the best method of 
preventing that.

I'll pass on Liberation Theology, because I don't know enough about 
it. :-)

> Kathryn:
> People are praising him for standing firm and having strong 
> beliefs - but for me many of those beliefs were wrong and I don't 
> really care how honestly he believed he was doing right I believe 
> he was doing wrong.

But there's a difference between 'evil' and 'that's not the best 
method'. I don't think he had the best solution to the AIDS crisis; 
but he had what he thought was a solution, he preached it - and 
practiced it himself {g}. 

You seem to be blaming him because other people decided to do 
things  that his church taught were wrong - and then bad 
consequences follow from those acts.  They made bad choices 
according to his doctrine, choices that he preached against, and yet 
he's to blame because he didn't provide a way of escaping the 
consequences.  

Myself, I'd put the high level of poverty in Africa as a much more 
important reason for the frightening level of AIDS in that 
continent. Poverty means most people can't get a good education, and 
so don't know how the disease spreads, or how to treat it, and often 
they can't afford the medicines to treat it. Condoms sound like a 
nice, quick, simple solution - but can everyone afford them? Can 
debt-ridden governments afford to give them out for free? 

But I accept that other people might disagree with me on that. 

Pip








From ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 00:31:34 2005
From: ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com (Miss Melanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <d2sk3r+a997@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050405003134.81557.qmail@web54704.mail.yahoo.com>

I have stayed out of this discussion for fear of getting swamped about my viewpoints but their is nothing wrong with the Catholic Church having consistent views on issues like contraception.  They are against it.  I am angered by some mainline protestant churches who believe that sex is for procreation yet they encourage the use of condoms and birth control.  
 
Note I don't neccessarily agree with the church on the sex and contraception but I understand its views.  The truth is I believe that pregnancy is a gift from God and likewise should be treated as such whether you expected it or not.  And yes I realize that I can't understand what it's like unless I have had an unexpected pregnancy but I'm not worried.  
 
As for Africa the epidemic is sad and depressing but we need to work on finding a cure and we need to help that country rise above its status in the world.  
 
The women there are treated with very little respect that is the first thing that needs to happen.  If you have respect for your body then you will be less likely to allow a man to abuse it, or abuse it yourself.  
 
They need to be educated and they need self-confidence.  
 
~Melanie

		
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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Apr  5 01:29:21 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 02:29:21 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <d2sk3r+a997@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4251E9F1.000003.00732@KATHRYN>

Pip
 
Did you notice that you blamed the Pope rather than the husband?{g}
 
<snip>

But there's a deeper root to the problem. The Pope preached that the
true solution was not condoms, it was for the husband (or wife) to
not sleep around. I might disagree with his approach, argue that
there should be a belt and braces approach of preaching fidelity
*and* wide availability of condoms. But I wouldn't call him a
hypocrite, or say that his preaching was evil. Because he was right -
  fidelity *is* a true solution.  We want to make concessions to
human frailty; he argues that 'human frailty' is just a convenient
excuse for evil conduct. But both of us agree that we don't want the
wife to get AIDS; what we're arguing about is the best method of
preventing that.
 .
 

 K

Actually the husband in my scenario is equally guilty, but we weren't
discussing the husbands alleged greatness. And before I get into the rest of
my argument I wasn't calling the Pope a hypocrite because of his views on
contraception, but because of his views on priests and politics. I agree he
wasn't at all hypocritical on this issue - just wrong <g>

Historically the Church has consistently preached that x is a sin, but if
you have to commit it at least do y, and then come confess and we'll absolve
you (of course most of its adherants have ignored the bit about needing to
be truly penitent in order to be absolved, but humans will be humans
unfortunately). For example in the Middle Ages (I'm an historian not a
theologian so I actually know more about Agustine, for example, than modern
church thinking) the church preached that there were two kinds of woman -
the good pure sort (ie Mary) and the fallen kind (ie Mary Magdalene) - and
that while men should try and restrain their 'unnatural' sexual desires they
should make sure that if they did fall and give in to go out and find the
second kind of woman to do it with rather than sullying their wives (I kid
you not, you've got to love that kind of attitude haven't you!). So along
these lines it would be perfectly possible for the church to preach that
infidelity is a big sin and using condoms only a moderate one so that if
unfortunately your rat of a husband is committing the first then you should
at least make sure he committs the second too, at least when with you, so
that your kids have a good chance of growing up with at least one surviving
parent. 

In addition, and please feel free to correct me on this, someone did try and
explain the church's thinking on contraception to me in detail a few days
ago and I didn't grasp most of it, I think the Catholic Church is against
contraception because life is sacred (I did think it was mainly the sex is
for procreation thing but I was told that that actually isn't true so much,
which means either my RE teacher was confused or I was paying even less
attention than I thought) which makes no sense to me because the potential
life to be created is already in danger from AIDS in my scenario, as is its
mother and then the lives of the rest of the dependents in that family too
indirectly.

We both seem to agree that poverty is a major contributing factor to the
AIDS epidemic, but a major contributing factor to poverty for many people is
the death of one or both parents leaving the children with no one to earn
money to feed the family - making the chance of the education that someone
was saying the women needed unlikely for the next generation.

And as for my use of the word evil - in my opinion the Pope is partly
responsible for many, many, many deaths due to AIDS. When you add in things
like the Catholic Church's long-term turning of a blind eye to paedophilia,
the Pope's hypocritical political atitudes etc then yeah I feel justified in
my criticisms.

K
 
 
 

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From ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 04:09:00 2005
From: ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com (Miss Melanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: <4251E9F1.000003.00732@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <20050405040900.38478.qmail@web54704.mail.yahoo.com>

In addition, and please feel free to correct me on this, someone did try and
explain the church's thinking on contraception to me in detail a few days
ago and I didn't grasp most of it, I think the Catholic Church is against
contraception because life is sacred (I did think it was mainly the sex is
for procreation thing but I was told that that actually isn't true so much,
which means either my RE teacher was confused or I was paying even less
attention than I thought) which makes no sense to me because the potential
life to be created is already in danger from AIDS in my scenario, as is its
mother and then the lives of the rest of the dependents in that family too
indirectly.

 
That's what my Catholic School taught me.  I mean there is Natural Family Planning that is practiced and condoned in Catholic circles as a means to prevent pregnancy however they don't see that as not "preventing the pregnancy" from taking place.  In other words, if I take a birth control pill what I am actually doing is preventing a egg from being fertilized.  If I am using a condom I am preventing sperm from entering.  
 
If I am using NFP I am not using anything but the time of the month to prevent a pregnancy.
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From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 05:01:20 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Jenny H)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:01:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <20050405040900.38478.qmail@web54704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c5399c$a2742810$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Miss Melanie 

  That's what my Catholic School taught me.  I mean there is Natural Family Planning that is practiced and condoned in Catholic circles as a means to prevent pregnancy however they don't see that as not "preventing the pregnancy" from taking place.  In other words, if I take a birth control pill what I am actually doing is preventing a egg from being fertilized.  If I am using a condom I am preventing sperm from entering.  

  If I am using NFP I am not using anything but the time of the month to prevent a pregnancy.

  Jenny now:
  actually, what it comes down to is with Natural Family Planning, you are not using any ARTIFICIAL
  means to prevent pregnancy. You are using only the natural rhythms of the body.. My family is not
  Catholic, but my father did attend a Jesuit college and (as he joked all his life) I have two brothers
  to show how well the rhythm system works. :-)) But, seriously, it is not contraception that the
  Catholic church opposes....just artificial contraception.
  Jenny


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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Apr  5 12:16:33 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:16:33 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
Message-ID: <d2tvj1+3205@eGroups.com>


For saying we were initially asked not to discuss it ... we're doing an 
awful lot of discussion over the Pope.  What a rebellious group we are!
Here in the UK the death of the Pope has had big implications on the 
Royal wedding - its been postponed until Saturday as a mark of respect 
(or was it so that their guest numbers weren't sufficiently dwindled to 
call it a wash out as everyone prefered to go to the funeral instead?)  
Even Charles is going to the funeral to represent the Queen ...
And now it's been announced we're having a general election on May 5th -
 joy of joys.  Now ... politics ...there's a topic ...

Sarah xx








From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 13:15:35 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 06:15:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050405131535.32771.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com>

Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:
For saying we were initially asked not to discuss it ... we're doing an 
awful lot of discussion over the Pope.  What a rebellious group we are!
Here in the UK the death of the Pope has had big implications on the 
Royal wedding - its been postponed until Saturday as a mark of respect 
(or was it so that their guest numbers weren't sufficiently dwindled to 
call it a wash out as everyone prefered to go to the funeral instead?)  
Even Charles is going to the funeral to represent the Queen ...
And now it's been announced we're having a general election on May 5th -
joy of joys.  Now ... politics ...there's a topic ...

Sarah xx
 
I said the same thing to my husband about the number of postings about not posting.  LOL
 
Yes and the Royal wedding has to be in the morning because the afternoon is all booked up!  My goodness, all this over a little wedding.  LOL  Even CNN is having articles about the wedding, the ghost of Diana at the wedding, what the boys really think, etc.
 
Anyway, on to politics, this is my first election living in the UK and I have to say that I'm finding it fascinating and funny.  We are getting a big kick out of the billboards extolling not the virtures of the parties but the deficiences of the other parties.
 
Having gone through the Dutch election process a couple of times as well, it looks like this:
 
The Dutch tend to talk about why their party is different from the others without too much vitriol. (well, at least none that I could understand.  LOL)
The English seem to show why you don't want to vote for the other party. This opinion may change as the formal election process takes place.
The Americans just trash everyone but themselves - something I've seen happen more and more over the years which makes me very sad as I think we're losing a lot of good candidates just so they can protect their families. 
 
Oh, and I like the "I don't do politics" ad as well.  A bit over the top but it does bring the point home.  My husband is allowed to vote in the local elections due to being an EU citizen and our residency here right now so we're getting all the election stuff.
 
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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  5 13:24:27 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:24:27 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I  - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d2rvd6+s4ch@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2u3ib+sfph@eGroups.com>


Karen Barker wrote:
> I have ordered HBP from Amazon and cannot wait for the 16th July to 
> arrive - along with one or two of you I understand!
> 
> I have a long standing arrangement - ie it's all booked and has 
> been for a long while - to take my small son to the seaside for the 
> weekend together with his friend and his friend's Mum.
> 
> It has just sunk in that we are going on the 15th of July and 
> coming  back on the 17th.   AAAAAgggggghhhhhh!  How could I be such 
> an idiot?!
> 
> I could just go and buy another copy at the seaside but then I will 
> just want to read it and that would be really rude.  I can't cancel 
> as that would be letting everyone down but I'll be really bad 
> company as I'll be on tenterhooks just dying to get back home to 
> read it.
> 
> So, when you are all reading your copies at 00:05 on 16th July, 
> please spare a small thought for me because I will be banging my 
> head on a table and shutting my ears in the oven door in a small 
> caravan at a seaside resort on the east coast of England!!



Karen,
This happened to me with OoP, as we were arriving at our Michigan 
vacation rental cabin on June 21.  I just had Amazon ship my copy to 
that addy, which they did w/o trouble.  (Now, there *was* still 
trouble, bec. I got there after the P.O. closed, but Amazon did its 
part!)  Would that be possible for you?

Of course, you'd still have to worry about that rudeness in ignoring 
your son while you read. ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan









From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 13:54:55 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JO - HAVE PITTY!!!  was: Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050405135455.79103.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>




JO - 

ARE YOU OUT THERE?  ARE YOU READING THESE POSTS?

We know that you do sometimes.  See how desperate we are?  

Please have pitty on us!!!  At least throw us a bone and at least answer the FAQ pole to give us something else to argue over!!!

 

moonmyyst

 

(who named her two most recent shelties after HP:

Southcrest Sugar Quill (we call her Honey for Honeydukes)

and Magic (he is just 6 weeks and have not come up with his full name yet))


		
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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Apr  5 15:07:38 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:07:38 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Putting in my 2p again
References: <d2tvj1+3205@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4252A9BA.000001.01244@KATHRYN>

 
Sarah 
For saying we were initially asked not to discuss it ... we're doing an
awful lot of discussion over the Pope.  What a rebellious group we are!
Here in the UK the death of the Pope has had big implications on the
Royal wedding - its been postponed until Saturday as a mark of respect
(or was it so that their guest numbers weren't sufficiently dwindled to
call it a wash out as everyone prefered to go to the funeral instead?)
Even Charles is going to the funeral to represent the Queen ...
And now it's been announced we're having a general election on May 5th -
  joy of joys.  Now ... politics ...there's a topic ...
 

 K

Well I think you answered your own question there. Not so much that the
guest list has dwindled (although it did present a scheduling conflict for
people like Blair) but more that it's difficult to hold a wedding in Windsor
when the groom is in Rome - wonder if he though the Pope was a 'bloody man'
too? Really why people are so surprised at Charles' foot in mouth disease is
beyond me, look at who his father is for goodness sake!

*Please* let's not discuss UK politics - they seem to have been campaigning
since Christmas already and now we get into the *actual* campaigning for
another month. I'm sure most of us on here (well the Brits anyway),
including myself, are already heartily sick of the whole darn thing. Maybe
we could liven things up by locking the MPs in a room and watching the
colour of the smoke to see who the next PM is? Or even just lock them all in
a room - and forget about them.

K
 
 
 
 

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Apr  5 16:42:01 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:42:01 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Putting in my 2p again
References: <d2tvj1+3205@eGroups.com> <4252A9BA.000001.01244@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <00d301c539fe$64b3ab60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

K wrote:

<Maybe
we could liven things up by locking the
MPs in a room and watching the
colour of the smoke to see who the next
PM is? Or even just lock them all in
a room - and forget about them.>

I think countries all over the world
who hold elections would love that at
one time or another.  Here in the
states we're already hearing about the
NEXT presidential race...which is four
years from now.  *hides*  I don't wanna
think about it yet!

Saitaina
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lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Apr  5 19:31:08 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:31:08 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <4252A9BA.000001.01244@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2up1s+5t62@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
Maybe
> we could liven things up by locking the MPs in a room and watching the
> colour of the smoke to see who the next PM is? Or even just lock them 
all in
> a room - and forget about them.
> 
> K

Now there's an idea.  I didn't intend to create a discussion about 
British politics.  It is so boring when they just tell us why not to 
vote for the other guy ...
Was Cornelius Fudge ousted through a vote of no confidence do you 
think?  Now speculating on magical politics and who is going to be the 
new minister for magic is much more entertaining.
My vote goes to ... um I'm not actually sure who's in the running ... 
Severus Snape? (joke)
Sarah xx






From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  5 20:35:38 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:35:38 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
References: <d2sa1h+do5m@eGroups.com> <4251B030.000001.00456@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV11576DC4ABED02736F9357B63C0@phx.gbl>


I'll just say I liked the Pope not because I am Catholic, but because he was a great man in my own opinion, because all the things he done with others religions and the world in general.

And despite I wasnt agreeing about his opinion abour sex (gays, condoms, etc) I'll always miss him.

So, please, people of this ML, dont begin a war because of this subject. We all have our own opinions, I respect each member's opinion, and anyway, there's already too much wars in the world.

This list is for the fun and all, so please play nice.
Sorry for the Mods if I'm doing my little chief. *bows*

Love,
Valy.

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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Tue Apr  5 21:19:31 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:19:31 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <4252A9BA.000001.01244@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2uvd3+c2ev@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:


K:
 
> *Please* let's not discuss UK politics - they seem to have been 
campaigning
> since Christmas already and now we get into the *actual* 
campaigning for
> another month. I'm sure most of us on here (well the Brits anyway),
> including myself, are already heartily sick of the whole darn 
thing. Maybe
> we could liven things up by locking the MPs in a room and watching 
the
> colour of the smoke to see who the next PM is? Or even just lock 
them all in
> a room - and forget about them.
 
Geoff:
But I do your very last suggestion most of the time anyway......
:-)
>  
> 
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Apr  5 23:34:11 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:34:11 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <4252A9BA.000001.01244@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2v79j+ap7u@eGroups.com>


Kathryn wrote:

> And now it's been announced we're having a general election on May 
5th -
>   joy of joys.  Now ... politics ...there's a topic ...

Well, it's not all bad.  We have lost at least one day of 
campaigning due to the Pope, and will presumably lose another on 
Friday, as well as the one on Saturday due to the wedding.  (I 
assume the church deliberately chose Friday for the funeral to muck 
up the wedding in revenge for Henry VIII - seems only fair.)

So here's my plan.  If we have a carefully paced series of 
assassinations of respected world leaders, we may be able to 
virtually escape an election campaign altogether.

If you do the Dalai Lama at the weekend, I'll have a pop at Nelson 
Mandela a few days after that.  After that, it gets a bit more 
tricky - would they stop electioneering for the sake of Bob Geldof?  
It's worth a try, isn't it?  What about Vaclav Havel?  Suggestions 
welcome.

David, refraining from mentioning world leaders whose death would 
not be considered worth marking in any way...






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Apr  5 23:47:32 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:47:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <d2v79j+ap7u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42532394.000001.01972@KATHRYN>

 

 David
Well, it's not all bad.  We have lost at least one day of
campaigning due to the Pope, and will presumably lose another on
Friday, as well as the one on Saturday due to the wedding.  (I
assume the church deliberately chose Friday for the funeral to muck
up the wedding in revenge for Henry VIII - seems only fair.)
 
K

OMG - I never even considered that, but now that you suggest it it's just so
obvious!


David

So here's my plan.  If we have a carefully paced series of
assassinations of respected world leaders, we may be able to
virtually escape an election campaign altogether.
 
If you do the Dalai Lama at the weekend, I'll have a pop at Nelson
Mandela a few days after that.  After that, it gets a bit more
tricky - would they stop electioneering for the sake of Bob Geldof?
It's worth a try, isn't it?  What about Vaclav Havel?  Suggestions
welcome.

K

Hmm, what about the Queen, I mean technically it is *her* parliament, surely
they'd pause for that (and if we do it fast we can screw up the wedding
again too - btw has it occured to you how many pissed off souvenir sellers
there now are in Windsor, since all their tea towels etc have the wrong date
...)

I don't know that Dracula or the strange pink man that we LibDems
inexplicably elected as leader would stop for Shrub (Bush Jnr for those who
can't work that out) but Blair would probably have to as he's probably need
to write a whole new set of policies. Most UK politicians probably don't
even know who Vaclav Havel is. They might stop for Geldof if we took out
Bono at the same time. With any luck by then we'll have a new Pope and we
can start the process all over again.

Just let me make sure I don't have any of these people on my Death Pool list
 you don't get points if you kill them yourself.

K
PS to any Secret Service officials reading this, I'm just joking

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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 02:40:36 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:40:36 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <42532394.000001.01972@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d2vi74+1fo5@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
> K
> PS to any Secret Service officials reading this, I'm just joking
> 

Tonks:
I don't really think we should joke about such a thing. I am a bit 
worried with all of the world leaders going to the Pope's funeral. All 
of them there in one place. I'm sure security will be very tight, but 
still I am very worried.

Tonks_op






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Apr  6 02:52:56 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:52:56 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <d2vi74+1fo5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <010701c53a53$bd522120$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Tonks_op wrote:

<I am a bit
worried with all of the world leaders
going to the Pope's funeral.>

Too big.  Not only would it be
difficult to pull off (but possible)
it's something that's a little over the
top.  Strategic strikes by terrorists
(or whomever) would be better then
trying for everyone at once and then
watching every country sic an army
after you.


Saitaina
****
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lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 06:53:20 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:53:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050406065320.69042.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>

Kathryn wrote:
Hmm, what about the Queen, I mean technically it is *her* parliament, surely
they'd pause for that (and if we do it fast we can screw up the wedding
again too - btw has it occured to you how many pissed off souvenir sellers
there now are in Windsor, since all their tea towels etc have the wrong date
...

Lynn:
 
I love British humour.  You guys have made my morning.  
 
One thought about the Queen though.  If you do it before the wedding, would Charles get crowned first or would he marry Camilla first?  There is that nasty little constitutional thing where a civil wedding may not be legal - at least for the monarchy.  
 
Now, if Charles married Camilla first, he'd have to deal with the whole "is a civil ceremony legal" thing but you'd probably see a Charles and Camilla coronation.  But, if Charles was crowned first, as head of the church he could ditch the whole civil ceremony and have a full blown legal wedding and then Camilla would become Queen.
 
Either way you look at it - is ditching a few days of campaigning worth it?  From what I've read, this is the topic that can get some blood boiling. LOL
 
Lynn


 

		
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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 12:14:16 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:14:16 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <010701c53a53$bd522120$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <4253D298.000003.00880@KATHRYN>

 
 
Saitaina
 
Too big.  Not only would it be
difficult to pull off (but possible)
it's something that's a little over the
top.  Strategic strikes by terrorists
(or whomever) would be better then
trying for everyone at once and then
watching every country sic an army
after you.
 
 

K

Except of course the 'best' way of doing it would probably be some kind of
suicide attack in which case you wouldn't really have to worry about anyone
chasing you down.

I wonder if some attendees are planning on just heading straight over to
Monaco when they're done in Rome for Ranier's funeral, save on travel
expenses and all that.

K
*who is mourning Ranier more than the Pope and thinks some of the British Royals could take a lesson from his dignified attitude*

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From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  6 12:29:04 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:29:04 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <20050406065320.69042.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d30kmg+v23h@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> 
wrote:
> Kathryn wrote:
> Hmm, what about the Queen, I mean technically it is *her* 
parliament, surely
> they'd pause for that (and if we do it fast we can screw up the 
wedding
> again too - btw has it occured to you how many pissed off souvenir 
sellers
> there now are in Windsor, since all their tea towels etc have the 
wrong date
> ...
> 
> Lynn:
>  
> I love British humour.  You guys have made my morning.  
>  
> One thought about the Queen though.  If you do it before the 
wedding, would Charles get crowned first or would he marry Camilla 
first?  There is that nasty little constitutional thing where a 
civil wedding may not be legal - at least for the monarchy.  
>  
> Now, if Charles married Camilla first, he'd have to deal with the 
whole "is a civil ceremony legal" thing but you'd probably see a 
Charles and Camilla coronation.  But, if Charles was crowned first, 
as head of the church he could ditch the whole civil ceremony and 
have a full blown legal wedding and then Camilla would become Queen.
>  
> Either way you look at it - is ditching a few days of campaigning 
worth it?  From what I've read, this is the topic that can get some 
blood boiling. LOL
>  
> Lynn
> 


Let's just hope that they don't decide to bury Prince Ranier on 
Saturday!!!

BTW Lynn, marrying in a registry office is not stopping Camilla from 
becoming Queen.  They are electing to call her the Princess Consort 
from choice - presumably as a fop to the people who don't want her 
to be Queen.  The fact of the matter is that the wife of the King is 
the Queen.  She can call herself "The chief cake-eater Royal" if she 
so wishes but nevertheless she is still legally the Queen, just as 
the wife of the Prince of Wales is the Princess of Wales.  Prince 
Charles is: Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Baron Rothesay, Lord 
of the Isles and probably several other titles I can't remember.  

Prince of Wales is just the highest ranking of his titles therefore 
the one he is usually known by.  Camilla will be using the female 
(ie Mrs) of one of his lesser titles to avoid comparison with the 
previous Princess of Wales and again presumably to avoid upsetting 
anyone, but nevertheless, just as if I marry Mr John Smith, I am 
legally Mrs. John Smith, whether or not I chose to call myself that 
or keep my maiden name, as the wife of the Prince of Wales she will 
legally be the Princess of Wales, as well as all the other tiles he 
holds.

Also if they had married after Charles became head of the CofE they 
still would not be allowed to marry in Church.  The CofE will not 
marry a divorcee who is considered to be the one responsible for the 
failure of their first marriage.  The wronged person in a failed 
marriage can be married in church at the discretion of the relevant 
vicar and bishop.  Incidentally, if Charles wanted to marry a single 
lady he could marry her in church, as in the eyes of the Church he 
is a widower not a divorcee!

Hope you enjoyed this little ramble on some of the eccentricities of 
us Brits!!

Karen






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  6 12:37:40 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:37:40 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <4253D298.000003.00880@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d30l6k+4ose@eGroups.com>


> Saitaina wrote:

> *who is mourning Ranier more than the Pope and thinks some of the 
British Royals could take a lesson from his dignified attitude*

I feel obliged to defend our Royals here!  He was the equivalent of our 
Queen and I don't think anyone could accuse her of being less that 
dignified.  As for the next generation, I don't think the Queen's 
children are any worse than Prince Ranier's and indeed I think 
Stephanie definitely has behaved far worse than any of the Queen's own 
children and Caroline, although she's settled down now was a bit of 
a 'one' in her younger days!!

Karen






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 12:34:03 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:34:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <20050406065320.69042.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4253D73B.000007.00880@KATHRYN>

 

 
Lynn:
 
I love British humour.  You guys have made my morning.
 
One thought about the Queen though.  If you do it before the wedding, would
Charles get crowned first or would he marry Camilla first?  There is that
nasty little constitutional thing where a civil wedding may not be legal -
at least for the monarchy.
 
Now, if Charles married Camilla first, he'd have to deal with the whole "is
a civil ceremony legal" thing but you'd probably see a Charles and Camilla
coronation.  But, if Charles was crowned first, as head of the church he
could ditch the whole civil ceremony and have a full blown legal wedding and
then Camilla wouldEither way you look at it - is ditching a few days of campaigning worth it? 
>From what I've read, this is the topic that can get some blood boiling. LOL
 
K

Well he wouldn't be crowned first because it takes at least six months to
organize a corantaion usually. He would obviously become *King* first as
that would happen the instant the Queen was declared dead (Terry Pratchett
believes that monarchy is the only thing that travels faster than light and
suggests torturing a small king to study the phenomenon).

Head of the Church is largely a ceremonial thing, he actually has no say in
how it is run and still couldn't have a church wedding and Camilla still
wouldn't be queen as apparently having the wife of a king be queen is
actually mere tradition rather than a legal necessity. If Elizabeth II
survives long enough Charles might be able to talk people into it, but at
the moment he's promised she won't be.

Personally I don't see the problem - yes he was a very bad boy, but let's
face it on a scale of one to ten and compared to the sexual behaviour of all
his predecessors he's probably only about a three!

What irritated me was the church suggesting he should apologise to Andrew
Parker Bowles (the cuckolded husband) but honestly as far as I can see
Charles wasn't the one who made any promises to him, Camilla was. Charles
probably owed Diana an apology but really that marriage was screwed up from
the start. If anyone owes Andrew an apology, isn't it Camilla? After all she
s the one who stood up in church and vowed to forsake all others!


K
*who does get irritated by this but not because they're Royal, just because people always seem to blame the other woman/man rather than the straying husband/wife*

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From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  6 12:44:25 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:44:25 -0000
Subject: Writing off-list e-mails with new Yahoo?
Message-ID: <d30lj9+a86i@eGroups.com>


Used to be I would click on a person's name beside their Yahoo profile 
and be able to send an off-list e-mail. Is that function gone with the 
update?

The only hotlink seems to be the Yahoo profile, and if a person has 
marked his/her e-mail as private there's no way to contact other than 
Yahoo Messenger.

Anyone find another way?

Jen, wanting to send an off-list 'I agree' and finding it impossible.






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 12:46:21 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 05:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <d30kmg+v23h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050406124621.53323.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com>

Karen wrote: 
BTW Lynn, marrying in a registry office is not stopping Camilla from 
becoming Queen.  They are electing to call her the Princess Consort 
from choice - presumably as a fop to the people who don't want her 
to be Queen.  

Lynn:
 
I thought I read that there is some law from back in the 1800s that states that a royal must be married in the church and that a civil ceremony for a royal is not legal.  While Princess Margaret did this, her marriage had no real impact on life in Britain so there was no discussion about it then.  However, with the upcoming marriage, it will make an impact and it appears the legal scholars are lining up on the side of the marriage not being legal according to the law.
 
Karen wrote:
Hope you enjoyed this little ramble on some of the eccentricities of 
us Brits!!


 
Lynn:
 
Karen, I certainly did enjoy it just as I'm enjoying living here in the UK.  I just wish people would speak proper English here.  ROFL
 
Lynn



 

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 12:53:01 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:53:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Writing off-list e-mails with new Yahoo?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050406125301.93229.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jen Reese <stevejjen at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Used to be I would click on a person's name beside
> their Yahoo profile 
> and be able to send an off-list e-mail. Is that
> function gone with the 
> update?
> 
> The only hotlink seems to be the Yahoo profile, and
> if a person has 
> marked his/her e-mail as private there's no way to
> contact other than 
> Yahoo Messenger.
> 
> Anyone find another way?
> 
> Jen, wanting to send an off-list 'I agree' and
> finding it impossible.
> 
I just went to OTC (I was reading from my inbox) and
clicked on your message. At the top of the message, on
the right hand side, I have the option to look at your
profile, YM you or one that says "send email".
Clicking on that will bring up the same type of page
as when you hit "reply" to respond to a message
onlist, but the email address is for the person who's
message you're responding to. 

Did that make sense? 

Sheryll, still on her first coffee :)

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 13:05:27 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050406130527.59592.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com>

Kathryn  wrote:Head of the Church is largely a ceremonial thing, he actually has no say in
how it is run and still couldn't have a church wedding and Camilla still
wouldn't be queen as apparently having the wife of a king be queen is
actually mere tradition rather than a legal necessity. 
Lynn:
 
Thanks Kathryn.  I thought when people said head of the church it actually meant something like keeper of the faith and they were to be a shining example of christian morality.  Then again, you're right.  Looking back through history that really hasn't happened.
 
 
Kathryn  wrote:

If anyone owes Andrew an apology, isn't it Camilla? 
 
 
Lynn:
 
I agree with you on this.  Camilla made the decision not to wait for Charles so she should have "forsaken" him when she married Andrew.  I'm assuming that in her youth she would have been deemed a suitable candidate for Charles.
 
Right now, I think if Charles owes anyone an apology it is his boys for marrying a girl he didn't love and then putting them through all the turmoil.
 
I have to say that the Dutch seem to make this all seem easier.  When the parliment has a problem with Maxima, the Crown Prince just said approve the marriage or I'm taking a walk.  Hmmm, the marriage got approved very quickly and she's proven to be a wonderful addition to the Dutch monarchy. 
 
In the long run, it just makes me very glad that I'm not rich and/or famous as I would not want to world being able to speculate and judge what I'm doing 24/7.

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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Wed Apr  6 13:30:28 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:30:28 +1000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPAENACIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Ladi Lindi said

I just wish people would speak proper English here.  [ie the UK] ROFL

now storm ..
I heard a woman on the NPR today talking about Pfizer doing a
'pre-sen-tation'.

I wondered to myself, what can be before a 'sentation'?

oh those kooky yanks!

storm, in sydney who prefers to avoid pres-en-tations because sitting still
is difficult.
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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 14:10:12 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050406141012.28193.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com>

storm  wrote:I heard a woman on the NPR today talking about Pfizer doing a
'pre-sen-tation'.

I wondered to myself, what can be before a 'sentation'?

oh those kooky yanks!

storm, in sydney who prefers to avoid pres-en-tations because sitting still
is difficult.
 
Lynn:
 
ROFLMAO  Yea, we certainly have a way with words.  I'm constantly getting into trouble for pronouncing all the letters in a word rather than dropping the inconvenient ones, i.e., pronouncing Warwick Castle as War-wick rather than War-ick.  Back in the days when the Iraq thing was just getting started, the Dutch government stated that their support was political only - not with troops.  One day Gen. Franks introduced some senior members of the "coalition" and lo and behold, there was a Dutch colonel along with an Australian and Brit.  The running gag after that was that given the language of the Americans, Australians and Brits, they needed the Dutch guy to translate for all of them.  LOL.
 
Lynn




 

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From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 15:32:04 2005
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:32:04 -0000
Subject: New stuff on JKR
Message-ID: <d30vdk+7j0f@eGroups.com>


She's throwing us a bone! (Just a little bone, but STILL!) There are 
some new questions/answers in the Rumors section of JKR's site.

-Barb (July! You're not coming fast enough!)






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  6 16:07:58 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:07:58 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <20050406141012.28193.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d311gu+citg@eGroups.com>


>  
> ROFLMAO  Yea, we certainly have a way with words.  I'm constantly 
getting into trouble for pronouncing all the letters in a word 
rather than dropping the inconvenient ones, i.e., pronouncing 
Warwick Castle as War-wick rather than War-ick.  Back in the days 
when the Iraq thing was just getting started, the Dutch government 
stated that their support was political only - not with troops.  One 
day Gen. Franks introduced some senior members of the "coalition" 
and lo and behold, there was a Dutch colonel along with an 
Australian and Brit.  The running gag after that was that given the 
language of the Americans, Australians and Brits, they needed the 
Dutch guy to translate for all of them.  LOL.
>  
> Lynn


LOL!!!  I like that very much!  I lived in Holland for two years as 
a young child and used to be fluent in Dutch - I can hardly remember 
any of it now.  

The one American way of pronouncing all the letters that really 
makes me cringe is calling Worcestershire Sauce 
"Wor-sester-shier Sauce" as opposed to  
"Woo-ster-sheer sauce".  I think that the best example of totally 
crazy English pronunciation of a place name is a small seaside town 
in Norfolk called Happisburgh.  Any guesses on how to say it?!!!

.
.
.
.
.
the answer is 'Haysbruh'  (The burgh is the same as in Edinburgh ie 
not 'boro'!!)

Most English people get Happisburgh wrong!!!

Karen







From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed Apr  6 16:37:10 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:37:10 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <20050406130527.59592.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3137m+tehq@eGroups.com>


As an American, I only have a passing familiarity with the Monarchy, 
but if I'm not mistaken, in Camilla's youth, she would have been a 
most *INAPPROPRIATE* candidate for Charles.  As a Catholic, I don't 
think Camilla would have stood a chance of marrying Charles 30 years 
ago.  Aside from Camilla being a divorcee, the continued love and 
respect of the people for Dianna, Camilla's Catholicism is still a 
major sticker.

I believe it was a mariage that could not have taken place 30 years 
ago.

Joe

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> 
wrote:
> I agree with you on this.  Camilla made the decision not to wait 
for Charles so she should have "forsaken" him when she married 
Andrew.  I'm assuming that in her youth she would have been deemed a 
suitable candidate for Charles.
>  
>






From marycloudt at yahoo.ca  Wed Apr  6 16:46:22 2005
From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:46:22 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d311gu+citg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d313ou+ahh0@eGroups.com>


Karen wrote:

> The one American way of pronouncing all the letters that really 
> makes me cringe is calling Worcestershire Sauce 
> "Wor-sester-shier Sauce" as opposed to  
> "Woo-ster-sheer sauce".

I'm Canadian and lived in England for 9 years, and even after that 
time my pronouciation was never up to local standards (and I lived 
in the West Country...Movie!Hagrid, anyone?).  The whole time I was 
there I'd mispronounce local places and provided continual glee with 
my pronounciation of "yoghurt".  (Why that word in particular?  Not 
a clue).  To get my own back I'd tell everyone I was from "Teronna", 
and as they looked at me in a clueless manner I'd spell 
out "Toronto" for them very slowly.  Childish, but fun 
nonetheless. ;)

The (North) American way of pronouncing all the letters as you 
mentioned, Karen, is a great way for me to drive my British ex 
insane when he comes to visit the kids.  I can make him cringe 
simply by pronouncing the local sidestreet Berkshire Lane "Burk-
shire" instead of "Bark-sheer".  Ah, revenge is sweet. :D

Mary Ann, who still hasn't forgiven her West Country friends for 
banning her from singing "I've Got a Brand-New Combine Harvester" 
with them because her accent was unacceptable






From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  6 16:55:36 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:55:36 -0000
Subject: Writing off-list e-mails with new Yahoo?
In-Reply-To: <20050406125301.93229.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d314a8+eq57@eGroups.com>


Sheryll:
> I just went to OTC (I was reading from my inbox) and
> clicked on your message. At the top of the message, on
> the right hand side, I have the option to look at your
> profile, YM you or one that says "send email".
> Clicking on that will bring up the same type of page
> as when you hit "reply" to respond to a message
> onlist, but the email address is for the person who's
> message you're responding to. 


Silly me! Now it's plain as day. I looked right at that spot yesterday 
too, clicking on Yahoo profile. Thanks, Sheryll.

Jen






From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed Apr  6 16:58:19 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:58:19 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d313ou+ahh0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d314fb+lb77@eGroups.com>


Was that sung to the tune of Melanie aka "Brand New Key"?
That still makes me cringe!



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <marycloudt at y...> 
wrote:
> Mary Ann, who still hasn't forgiven her West Country friends for 
> banning her from singing "I've Got a Brand-New Combine Harvester" 
> with them because her accent was unacceptable






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 17:22:09 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:22:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <d3137m+tehq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42541AC1.000001.01756@KATHRYN>

 Joe

As an American, I only have a passing familiarity with the Monarchy,
but if I'm not mistaken, in Camilla's youth, she would have been a
most *INAPPROPRIATE* candidate for Charles.  As a Catholic, I don't
think Camilla would have stood a chance of marrying Charles 30 years
ago.  Aside from Camilla being a divorcee, the continued love and
respect of the people for Dianna, Camilla's Catholicism is still a
major sticker.
 
I believe it was a mariage that could not have taken place 30 years
ago.
 
K

She must have changed her religion because if she was Catholic Charles would
have to remove himself from the Line of Succession and he hasn't. It is
illegalone
 No, seriously! I was under the impression she was Catholic too btw, I
thought that was why Charles went off without getting engaged to her, but
obviously not. I think *Andrew* Parker-Bowles is Catholic though so maybe
that's where the confusion comes in.

That's why Prince Michael of Kent had to sign away his rights to the throne,
of course there would have to be a major catastrophe for him to get to the
top of the list anyway, but that's beside the point. 
 
K
 
 
 

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 17:24:17 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:24:17 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly'
References: <d311gu+citg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42541B41.000003.01756@KATHRYN>

Karen
 
The one American way of pronouncing all the letters that really
makes me cringe is calling Worcestershire Sauce
"Wor-sester-shier Sauce" as opposed to
"Woo-ster-sheer sauce".  I think that the best example of totally
crazy English pronunciation of a place name is a small seaside town
in Norfolk called Happisburgh.  Any guesses on how to say it?!!!
 

K

lmao - I was just about to pose the same question, great minds and all that.
That's not a quirk of English so much as we East Anglians are nuts. There's
a place called Wymondham in Suffolk (I think it's in Suffolk) pronounced
Wind-ham, whereas Little Wymondly, near where I live now, is pronounced just
as it's spelled.

K

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 17:25:21 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050406172522.91273.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com>

Karen wrote:

LOL!!!  I like that very much!  I lived in Holland for two years as 
a young child and used to be fluent in Dutch - I can hardly remember any of it now.  

The one American way of pronouncing all the letters that really 
makes me cringe is calling Worcestershire Sauce 
"Wor-sester-shier Sauce" as opposed to  
"Woo-ster-sheer sauce".  I think that the best example of totally 
crazy English pronunciation of a place name is a small seaside town 
in Norfolk called Happisburgh.  Any guesses on how to say it?!!!
.
the answer is 'Haysbruh'  (The burgh is the same as in Edinburgh ie 
not 'boro'!!)

Most English people get Happisburgh wrong!!!

Karen
 
Lynn:
 
Well, I definitely got it wrong.  LOL  You will be happy to know that most of us who have lived in New England pronounce Worcestershire correctly - after all, I used to live in Worcester, Massachusetts at one point in my life so it was an easy transition.  I cringe when they pronounce it Wor-chester-shire sauce.  
 
I tried learning Dutch as an adult and while I speak a little (I have to with Dutch in-laws), I have never been fluent - just can't make some of those nasal, mucous sounds.  I'm much better at understanding it.  When we moved here my daughter was fluent in Dutch but didn't speak much English - just understood American English.  We had to push English for school and now she likes it so much she doesn't want to speak Dutch anymore - well, only when Oma (grandma) is here.  
 
Lynn


 

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 17:28:34 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:28:34 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <20050406124621.53323.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42541C42.000005.01756@KATHRYN>


Lynn:
 
I thought I read that there is some law from back in the 1800s that states
that a royal must be married in the church and that a civil ceremony for a
royal is not legal.  While Princess Margaret did this, her marriage had no
real impact on life in Britain so there was no discussion about it then. 
However, with the upcoming marriage, it will make an impact and it appears
the legal scholars are lining up on the side of the marriage not being legal
according to the law.
 

 K

You did read that. It's one of the main reasons why Margaret couldn't marry
her 'true love' back in the fifties and ended up settling for someone else(who she later divorced), but the Attorney-General (is that the correct term
 the same government lawyer who produced three different opinions on the
legality of invading Iraq anyway) has decided that actually his predecessors
were just being conservative and the law doesn't mean that at all (although
he may have a different opinion next week you never know) and besides the
Human Rights Act apparently trumps that and would make the marriage legal (I
wonder if it would affect the thing about Royals marrying Catholics?). I was
under the impression that the Human Rights Act wouldn't supercede the
Marriage Act until and unless someone had taken the case to court and got a
judge to rule on it, but apparently I'm wrong.

K 
 
 

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 17:33:09 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:33:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <d30l6k+4ose@eGroups.com>
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> Saitaina wrote:
 
> *who is mourning Ranier more than the Pope and thinks some of the
British Royals could take a lesson from his dignified attitude*
 
Karen
 
I feel obliged to defend our Royals here!  He was the equivalent of our
Queen and I don't think anyone could accuse her of being less that
dignified.  As for the next generation, I don't think the Queen's
children are any worse than Prince Ranier's and indeed I think
Stephanie definitely has behaved far worse than any of the Queen's own
children and Caroline, although she's settled down now was a bit of
a 'one' in her younger days!!
 
K

Saitana didn't say that, I did - and just because Ranier's kids could do
with a lesson in dignified behaviour too (and boy do I agree with you there)
doesn't negate the fact that some of ours could learn a lesson or two. I can
t imagine Ranier 'accidentally' calling the press "bloody people" for a
start. Charles could do with taking lessons from his eldest son there it
seems, William deals wiuth the press very well. Harry just thumps them ;)
(not that I blame him, if someone shoved a camera in my face at 2 in the
morning I'd smack them too, and he was protecting his girlfriend so I guess
chivalry's not entirely dead).

By the standards of the time actually Caroline and Stephanie aren't all that
much worse than Princess Margaret was. She was considered a real party girl
in her time.

K

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Apr  6 18:05:15 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:05:15 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <d2vi74+1fo5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d318cr+sioo@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:

> Tonks:
> I don't really think we should joke about such a thing. I am a bit 
> worried with all of the world leaders going to the Pope's funeral. 
All 
> of them there in one place. I'm sure security will be very tight, but 
> still I am very worried.
> 
> Tonks_op

This ruins the plot of a fan fic I am writing at the moment - I was 
trying to think of a way that you-know-who could reek havoc and cause 
anarchy.  All those people gathered together like that ... it makes you 
wonder doesn't it?

Sarah xx






From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 18:06:25 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:06:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <d3137m+tehq@eGroups.com> <42541AC1.000001.01756@KATHRYN>
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kathryn 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again


  Joe

  As an American, I only have a passing familiarity with the Monarchy,
  but if I'm not mistaken, in Camilla's youth, she would have been a
  most *INAPPROPRIATE* candidate for Charles.  As a Catholic, I don't
  think Camilla would have stood a chance of marrying Charles 30 years
  ago.  Aside from Camilla being a divorcee, the continued love and
  respect of the people for Dianna, Camilla's Catholicism is still a
  major sticker.

  I believe it was a mariage that could not have taken place 30 years
  ago.

  Kathryn:
  She must have changed her religion because if she was Catholic Charles would
  have to remove himself from the Line of Succession and he hasn't.

  Now Jenny:
  I just read an article yesterday about the wedding that included
  a recap of Charles and Camilla's relationship. That article said
  nothing about her being Catholic. It said that they didn't marry
  30 years ago because at that time it would not have been appropriate for Charles to marry someone who was not of royal
  blood, or was not a virgin. Thinking back to Diana, didn't she
  have a gynacological exam to confirm that she was a virgin? So
  maybe that was the big deal, instead of Camilla's religion or
  blood line. I think the point with Diana (if I remember
  correctly) was the Prince must marry a virgin to 'guarantee' the
  blood line with the children.



  Jenny



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From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  6 18:27:46 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:27:46 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <d3137m+tehq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d319n2+hn26@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> 
> As an American, I only have a passing familiarity with the 
Monarchy, 
> but if I'm not mistaken, in Camilla's youth, she would have been a 
> most *INAPPROPRIATE* candidate for Charles.  As a Catholic, I 
don't 
> think Camilla would have stood a chance of marrying Charles 30 
years 
> ago.  Aside from Camilla being a divorcee, the continued love and 
> respect of the people for Dianna, Camilla's Catholicism is still a 
> major sticker.
> 
> I believe it was a mariage that could not have taken place 30 
years 
> ago.
> 
> Joe
> 
Camilla isn't a Catholic - the act of succession expressly forbids 
the heir to the throne from marrying a Catholic.

Karen






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  6 18:52:59 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:52:59 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <42541D55.000007.01756@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d31b6b+mb81@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> 
wrote:
> 
> > Saitaina wrote:
>  
> > *who is mourning Ranier more than the Pope and thinks some of the
> British Royals could take a lesson from his dignified attitude*
>  
> Karen
>  
> I feel obliged to defend our Royals here!  He was the equivalent 
of our
> Queen and I don't think anyone could accuse her of being less that
> dignified.  As for the next generation, I don't think the Queen's
> children are any worse than Prince Ranier's and indeed I think
> Stephanie definitely has behaved far worse than any of the Queen's 
own
> children and Caroline, although she's settled down now was a bit of
> a 'one' in her younger days!!
>  
> K
> 
> Saitana didn't say that, I did - and just because Ranier's kids 
could do
> with a lesson in dignified behaviour too (and boy do I agree with 
you there)
> doesn't negate the fact that some of ours could learn a lesson or 
two. I can
> t imagine Ranier 'accidentally' calling the press "bloody people" 
for a
> start. Charles could do with taking lessons from his eldest son 
there it
> seems, William deals wiuth the press very well. Harry just thumps 
them ;)
> (not that I blame him, if someone shoved a camera in my face at 2 
in the
> morning I'd smack them too, and he was protecting his girlfriend 
so I guess
> chivalry's not entirely dead).
> 
> By the standards of the time actually Caroline and Stephanie 
aren't all that
> much worse than Princess Margaret was. She was considered a real 
party girl
> in her time.
> 
> K
>Sorry K, I though it was Saitana - sometimes I get confused by who 
said what in these!!

The point that I was trying to make is who we should be comparing to 
Ranier.  He was the same generation as the Queen and was also the 
monarch (they don't have a king in Monoco as I'm sure you know) and 
both have been fine examples of how a Royal should conduct 
themselves.

Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward are the next generation along with 
Albert, Caroline and Stephanie so they should be compared with each 
other rather than Charles with Ranier IYSWIM!

Karen






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 19:17:40 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:17:40 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d313ou+ahh0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d31ckk+mh8e@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <marycloudt at y...>
wrote:
> 
> Karen wrote:
> 
> > The one American way of pronouncing all the letters that really 
> > makes me cringe is calling Worcestershire Sauce "Wor-sester-shier 
> > Sauce" as opposed to  "Woo-ster-sheer sauce".


> Mary Ann:
> 
> I'm Canadian and lived in England ... and provided  continual glee 
> with my pronounciation of "yoghurt".  (Why that word in particular? 
> Not a clue).  To get my own back I'd tell everyone I was from 
> "Teronna", and as they looked at me in a clueless manner I'd spell 
> out "Toronto" for them very slowly.  Childish, but fun nonetheless. 
> ;)
> 
> The ... American way of pronouncing all the letters ..., ... I can
> make him cringe simply by pronouncing the local sidestreet Berkshire
> Lane "Burk- shire" instead of "Bark-sheer". ...
> ...
> 
> Mary Ann, 

bboyminn:

I'm curious whether these pronunciations are correct relative to the
rules and structure of the British English language, or if they are
merely commonly accepted pronunciations?

For example, there is a standard rule that while not all inclusive,
still cover many many words; it is, 'vowel, consonant, vowel'
typically mean the first Vowel is long and the second Vowel is silent.
So, 'Shire' become Sh-eye-er not shear or sheer. Further, the 'Ah'
sound, doesn't strike me as a standard pronunciation of the letter
'U'; 'Burk' vs 'Bark'. 

So, I'm wondering if these accepted pronunciations aren't regional
'accent' variations that while in violation of standard UK English
word construction and pronunciation, have come to be generally accepted?

The only accent related variation that comes to mind to use as an
example, it Tex-speak. While I acknowledge isn't a very good example,
it's all I can think of.

In Texas-

oil = awl
all = awl

You'd be rich if you owned awl the awl in Texas.

The only difference between the two pronunciations (awl) is a
microscopic barely detectable inflection difference that allows Texans
to know the difference. 

So, I guess the question is, is 'Bark-Sheer' really the correct
pronunciation based on the rules of UK English, or is it simply
accepted in the vernacular? 

Hope my question made sense. ...and by the way, how do they prononce
'yoghurt' if not as the dictionary indicates 'yogert'.

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn







From marycloudt at yahoo.ca  Wed Apr  6 19:20:25 2005
From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:20:25 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d314fb+lb77@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d31cpp+bpca@eGroups.com>


Joe wrote:
 
> Was that sung to the tune of Melanie aka "Brand New Key"?
> That still makes me cringe!

<vbg>  Yep, that's the one.  I lived in Somerset and the locals are 
still very, very proud of that song.  It makes me laugh more than 
cringe, and I'll never forget the first time I heard the song on TOTP2 
and thought "What the...?"

Mary Ann, who now has a great appreciation for scrumpy






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 19:30:02 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:30:02 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
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Karen
>Sorry K, I though it was Saitana - sometimes I get confused by who
said what in these!!
 
The point that I was trying to make is who we should be comparing to
Ranier.  He was the same generation as the Queen and was also the
monarch (they don't have a king in Monoco as I'm sure you know) and
both have been fine examples of how a Royal should conduct
themselves.
 
Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward are the next generation along with
Albert, Caroline and Stephanie so they should be compared with each
other rather than Charles with Ranier IYSWIM!
 
 
K

Oh I understood what you meant all right - I just didn't agree :) I don't
see why they're not comparable just because they are a different generation.
Like I said Stephanie and Caroline could do with learning it too, and I'll
certainly admit that our next generation of Royals don't loos so bad
compared to those two. The Queen doesn't always come off as dignified so
much as stuck in the mud (and stuck up) maybe it's just because Ranier is
foreign and not *my* monarch that he seems better (the grass is always
greener and all that). I get the impression that some of the failed
marriages in our Royal Family are just as much the fault of the 'Royal
Family' as an organisation as much as of the couple involved.

William seems to turning out well, and Princess Anne's children aren't bad
either. Harry needs to grow up a bit, but what boy his age doesn't? And
Prince Andrew's children are pretty invisible so who knows what they're like


Much as I don't like Charles and Camilla I think the more 'dignified'
response for the Queen would have been to put on a brave face and turn up to
the wedding (I know she's never been to a register office before, but heck
if it's OK for the Heir to the Throne to marry in one I don't really see why
it's not OK for the Queen to attend). She's coming off more sulking three
year old than disapproving mother at the moment.

K

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 19:36:01 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:36:01 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
References: <d31ckk+mh8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42543A21.000003.01868@KATHRYN>


bboyminn:
 
Further, the 'Ah'
sound, doesn't strike me as a standard pronunciation of the letter
'U'; 'Burk' vs 'Bark'.
 

K

There is no U in Berkshire.

And no it doesn't follow any of the rules of English but it is the 'correct'
pronunciation as opposed to being regional dialect. The reason many of our
place names don't follow 'normal' rules of English is most of them are taken
straight from the native languge of whichever group of invaders happened to
settle in that area of the country and the pronunciations have generally
stuck over the centuries (although the spelling often varies over time
depending on how the (non-local) scribe writing it down thought it should be
spelled when he heard the locals saying it)

K

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From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed Apr  6 19:54:14 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:54:14 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d31cpp+bpca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d31ep6+u0tq@eGroups.com>


Oh I could anly imagine!  

Whiny voice:
  "Oh I've got a brand-new combine harvester, you've got a brand-new 
Deere. I think that we should get together and plow a field 'fore 
tea.  I've been looking around awhile, you've got something I need,  
I've got a brand-new combine harvester, you've got a brand-new 
Deere."

I've always been far more partial to Melanie's Woodstock era music 
such as Candles in the Rain, Look What They've Done To My Song, 
etc.   I will admit to having the 45 of "Brand New Key" as a child, 
and playing it a lot!  Drove mum crazy!  :-)

Joe



> Joe:
>  
> > Was that sung to the tune of Melanie aka "Brand New Key"?
> > That still makes me cringe!

Mary Ann:

> <vbg>  Yep, that's the one.  I lived in Somerset and the locals 
are 
> still very, very proud of that song.  It makes me laugh more than 
> cringe, and I'll never forget the first time I heard the song on 
TOTP2 
> and thought "What the...?"
> 
> Mary Ann, who now has a great appreciation for scrumpy






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 20:14:03 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:14:03 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <d319n2+hn26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d31fub+h51f@eGroups.com>


Well it is nice to hear all the British folks talking here. Our US 
elections are over, so it is fun to hear all the rattle about yours. 

And about Prince Charles:  Now I am not sure I truly understand or 
remember the story. Why didn't he marry her to start with, if he 
knew her all his life??  Really a shame, Diana and all.  Talk about 
the Malfoy's having a loveless marriage to produce an heir.  So 
tragic, for everyone.  I remember the first wedding. It was on my 
birthday and the people that I was living with at the time all got 
up at 5:00am or some God awful hour to watch it on TV and forced me 
to do so as well.  I am rather a cynic when it comes to marriage
 
young love and all.  And my friends were just all gaga over the 
fairytale wedding.

Today I have been singing a little song... an old one. A favorite 
from my childhood.  Maybe no one knows it. It is from the late 19th 
century. (No I am NOT that old!) It is a barber shop quartet 
song "Bicycle Built for Two"  "It won't be a stylish marriage, I 
can't afford a carriage, but you'll look sweet upon the seat of a 
bicycle built for 2"  ;-)  So in spite of everything I think it is 
good that he is finally marrying the woman that he loves.  Just too 
bad it wasn't 30 (or whatever) years earlier. 

Tonks_op









From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  6 20:44:31 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:44:31 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Putting in my 2p again
References: <d31fub+h51f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42544A2F.000001.01960@KATHRYN>

 
Tonks_op
 
And about Prince Charles:  Now I am not sure I truly understand or
remember the story. Why didn't he marry her to start with, if he
knew her all his life??  Really a shame, Diana and all.  Talk about
the Malfoy's having a loveless marriage to produce an heir.  So
tragic, for everyone.  I remember the first wedding. It was on my
birthday and the people that I was living with at the time all got
up at 5:00am or some God awful hour to watch it on TV and forced me
to do so as well.  I am rather a cynic when it comes to marriage

young love and all.  And my friends were just all gaga over the
fairytale wedding.

 K

He had been dating her. He was in the navy and went away on board his ship -
and she married someone else. Whether he expected her to wait for him or was
dithering about it and she got fed up or broke up with her and then decided
it was a mistake I don't know. I don't really think anyone does as the
Royals only tend to give out the basic press releases that x and y ar
engaged/marrying/divorcing/whatever. 

Diana was a *big* mistake. When they married she was a lot younger than him,
and quite shy/ Presumably the Family firm thought she would remain that way
but instead she grew a backbone and started fighting back, including affairs
on her own side. Whether Charles was already actually sleeping with Camilla
is also unknown but he was definitely still emotionally involved with her
and marrying someone else was probably never going to work. Personally I
think that by the end of the marriage they were both behaving disgracefully,
but *shrugs* I don't actually care. I don't really care that he's marrying
Camilla either. I don't like eithe of them but not in a 'I hate them and am
passionate about it' kind of way, just in a 'wouldn't care to know either of
them' kind of way.

K

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 20:54:12 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:54:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Writing off-list e-mails with new Yahoo?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050406205412.61206.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jen Reese <stevejjen at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sheryll:
> > I just went to OTC (I was reading from my inbox)
> and
> > clicked on your message. At the top of the
> message, on
> > the right hand side, I have the option to look at
> your
> > profile, YM you or one that says "send email".
> > Clicking on that will bring up the same type of
> page
> > as when you hit "reply" to respond to a message
> > onlist, but the email address is for the person
> who's
> > message you're responding to. 
> 
> 
Jen:
> Silly me! Now it's plain as day. I looked right at
> that spot yesterday 
> too, clicking on Yahoo profile. Thanks, Sheryll.
> 
Sheryll:
No, you're not silly. They've changed things around so
much in the last little while that it's easy to
overlook things. I know I still do. 

Sheryll :)

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  6 21:20:43 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:20:43 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d31ckk+mh8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d31jrb+b5lg@eGroups.com>


<huge snip>
. ...and by the way, how do they prononce
> 'yoghurt' if not as the dictionary indicates 'yogert'.
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

As I understand it the American English way to pronounce yoghurt is yo-
gert (as in yo-yo), whereas the English (no need to say British English 
BTW, LOL!) is yog-ert wher yog rhymes with jog.

Karen






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr  6 21:31:28 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:31:28 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <d31fub+h51f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d31kfg+27kh@eGroups.com>


Tonls: 
> 
> And about Prince Charles:  Now I am not sure I truly understand or 
> remember the story. Why didn't he marry her to start with, if he 
> knew her all his life??  

In a nutshell he dated her then went away to sea (he was serving in the 
Royal Navy at the time) without giving her any promises of a future 
together or whatever - he was in his early 20s at the time so quite 
young really.  While he was away she married Andrew Parker Bowles so he 
returned to find her gone so to speak.

Karen






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 22:15:58 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:15:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d31ckk+mh8e@eGroups.com>
References: <d313ou+ahh0@eGroups.com> <d31ckk+mh8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050406151511b3999@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 6, 2005 3:17 PM, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <marycloudt at y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Karen wrote:

> > > makes me cringe is calling Worcestershire Sauce "Wor-sester-shier
> > > Sauce" as opposed to  "Woo-ster-sheer sauce".

I still have difficulties pronouncing that.  I typically get about as
far as 'wor-ster' sauce.

> > Mary Ann:

> > make him cringe simply by pronouncing the local sidestreet Berkshire
> > Lane "Burk- shire" instead of "Bark-sheer". ...

> bboyminn:

> typically mean the first Vowel is long and the second Vowel is silent.
> So, 'Shire' become Sh-eye-er not shear or sheer. Further, the 'Ah'
> sound, doesn't strike me as a standard pronunciation of the letter
> 'U'; 'Burk' vs 'Bark'.

Hm, that would make the 'slang' of being called a 'berk', which I
think is used in the HP books at least once, pronounced as 'bark'?

As Kathryn pointed out, there is no U (Matrix flashback: there is no
spoon); however, from a phonetic standpoint of other existing
examples, I'd pronounce it as I see it: Burk-sh-eye-er.


> The only accent related variation that comes to mind to use as an
> example, it Tex-speak. While I acknowledge isn't a very good example,

{g}

Dina



From winky2839 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 00:13:27 2005
From: winky2839 at yahoo.com (Crista)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:13:27 -0000
Subject: Savannah Potter People?
Message-ID: <d31tv7+d45a@eGroups.com>


OK so I moved to Savannah, Ga about a year ago... and I haven't met 
anybody around here that I get along with. I'm from Texas and people
in 
Georgia aren't that friendly. Sooooooo I figured Harry Potter are 
always cool. I'm 21 and I go to school so lookin for somebody why who 
knows anything even just a little bit fun to do around here! Thanks!









From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 01:21:52 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JO - HAVE PITTY!!!  was: Re: ADMIN: The Death of the Pope
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050407012153.25028.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you Jo!!!!
 
We are having fun with your updates!!!
 
We love you!!!
 
moonmyyst
 


K G <moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com> wrote:



JO - 

ARE YOU OUT THERE?  ARE YOU READING THESE POSTS?

We know that you do sometimes.  See how desperate we are?  

Please have pitty on us!!!  At least throw us a bone and at least answer the FAQ pole to give us something else to argue over!!!



moonmyyst



(who named her two most recent shelties after HP:

Southcrest Sugar Quill (we call her Honey for Honeydukes)

and Magic (he is just 6 weeks and have not come up with his full name yet))


            
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 01:36:13 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Savannah Potter People?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050407013613.78063.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

Crista-
don't know about around Savannah (I will be there for 4 days during Memorial Day) but up here a bit north (west of Atlanta) we have quite a fun little group!!  If you were a bit closer, maybe you could come by for the HP party.
by the way - - -  what part of Texas?  I lived for a while in Galveston and my daughter (your age) lives in Austin.
 
moonmyyst


Crista <winky2839 at yahoo.com> wrote:

OK so I moved to Savannah, Ga about a year ago... and I haven't met 
anybody around here that I get along with. I'm from Texas and people
in 
Georgia aren't that friendly. Sooooooo I figured Harry Potter are 
always cool. I'm 21 and I go to school so lookin for somebody why who 
knows anything even just a little bit fun to do around here! Thanks!








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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 06:11:41 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:11:41 -0000
Subject: Writing off-list e-mails - In General
In-Reply-To: <d30lj9+a86i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d32iut+ggn7@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...>
wrote:
> 
> Used to be I would click on a person's name beside their Yahoo
> profile and be able to send an off-list e-mail. Is that function 
> gone with the update?
> 
> ...edited..
> Anyone find another way?
> 
> Jen,


bboyminn:

Well, your question has already been answered but I have another point
about in-group email sending that has always bugged me.

The problem is that there is no CC: ability. If I send someone an
email from within the group, there is really no way for me to send a
copy of it to myself so I can keep if as a record of what I said and
who I sent it to.

So, there really needs to be one line for TO: and another for CC:.

Other have suggested that I might be able to separate the recipients
address from my own by a comma or semicolon, and thereby have two TO:
receivers. Sorry but it doesn't work. The TO: line is a drop down box,
not a text box; it doesn't allow editing.

What would really be slick is if when I clicked on the new [Send
Email] link, it would automatically jump to the Yahoo email account
for the username that I am logged in under. That way, the email and
the true email address of the person would automatically be record in
my email accounts [Sent] folder.

I think to some extent these features aren't available because Yahoo
wants to protect people's email addresses from Data Miners who like to
scan the Internet for any email address they can find.

Despite this risk of Data Mining, it would still be nice to record a
copy of the emails I send from in-group. I always use the Web
interface because I don't want my computer cluttered up with thousands
of emails. 

Thanks for listening.

Steve/bboyminn







From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Apr  7 07:59:36 2005
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:59:36 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d313ou+ahh0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d32p98+o0nq@eGroups.com>


Mary Ann wrote:

> The (North) American way of pronouncing all the letters as you 
> mentioned, Karen, is a great way for me to drive my British ex 
> insane when he comes to visit the kids.  I can make him cringe 
> simply by pronouncing the local sidestreet Berkshire Lane "Burk-
> shire" instead of "Bark-sheer".  Ah, revenge is sweet. :D

Funnily enough, "Burkshire" used to be the local pronunciation of 
Berkshire. An elderly neighbour of mine used to pronounce it as "Burk" 
(or I would spell it as Berk)rather than "Bark" and always believed 
that "Bark" was the "posh" way of pronouncing it. In fact our slang 
word "berk" is derived from that old pronunciation when part of the 
phrase "Berkshire Hunt" - one of our rudest pieces of rhyming slang.

Now I would also look at people twice if they pronounced "Berkshire" 
as anything other than Barkshire. But then I also live in a town 
called "Reading" which is pronounced as "Redding" - apparently after 
people with Red hair invaded the area centuries and centuries ago. The 
current spelling makes no sense at all - unless you want to use it as 
a play on words with the verb "to read".

Ali

Summoning everyone to Accio in Reading, Berkshire, UK in July 2005 
http://www.accio.org.uk







From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 08:59:20 2005
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New stuff on JKR (spoiler if you've not looked yet)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050407085920.66314.qmail@web61004.mail.yahoo.com>



Barb Fulton <barbfulton at yahoo.com> wrote:

She's throwing us a bone! (Just a little bone, but STILL!) There are 
some new questions/answers in the Rumors section of JKR's site.

-Barb (July! You're not coming fast enough!)

 

Now me:

       I quite agree about July. She's updated about the FAQ books bit too.

bit

of

spoiler

space 

if 

you want

to read

it

yourself

 

Flitwick in six books?! Does that mean he won't see the end of this one?!

Sam (Who spent most of last night in A and E with her Hermione. She's broken her arm falling off my bed.) 





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From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Apr  7 08:53:03 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:53:03 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d32p98+o0nq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d32sdf+eca5@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
 In fact our slang 
> word "berk" is derived from that old pronunciation when part of the 
> phrase "Berkshire Hunt" - one of our rudest pieces of rhyming slang.
> 
> Now I would also look at people twice if they 
pronounced "Berkshire" 
> as anything other than Barkshire. But then I also live in a town 
> called "Reading" which is pronounced as "Redding" - apparently 
after 
> people with Red hair invaded the area centuries and centuries ago. 

> Summoning everyone to Accio in Reading, Berkshire, UK in July 2005 
> http://www.accio.org.uk

I am travelling from "oop north" to Reading this afternoon - very 
tiresome train journey via Birmingham (going home is even worse, into 
London and out again, up to Stoke, then Manchester Piccadilly, might 
be home by midnight!!)
Did the Weasley's invade Berkshire then?  I knew there was a lot of 
them but ...

Sarah xx
PS anything good to do in Reading on a Saturday night?






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 09:10:17 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 02:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050407091017.77323.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>

I, for one, have more than one reason to anticipate July  - first Book 6 and then Accio.  I'm just wondering how many calls I'll get from hubby saying he's about to strangle our daughter.  I said it's a good thing I won't be too far from home in case I have run back to save her - or him.  LOL
 
Having lived in New England,  I don't find most of the pronunciations too strange - after all, England is where most of the names came from.  I still get startled to see the names on the map when we're driving and it throws me when they aren't next to the same town or in the same direction as they are in New England. I've even gotten used to Hertfordshire.  The one name that still cracks me up is Beaconsfield.  I was told very quickly that it is not pronounced Bee-cons-feeld but rather Beck-ons-fell or Beck-on-vell, depending on the person's accent.  LOL
 
I wonder, though, if some of the spellings today are translations from Olde English where the translators couldn't really read the writing?
 
Lynn
 
 
 
Ali <Ali at zymurgy.org> wrote:
But then I also live in a town 
called "Reading" which is pronounced as "Redding" - apparently after 
people with Red hair invaded the area centuries and centuries ago. The 
current spelling makes no sense at all - unless you want to use it as 
a play on words with the verb "to read".

Ali

Summoning everyone to Accio in Reading, Berkshire, UK in July 2005 
http://www.accio.org.uk

 

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From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 13:53:41 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:53:41 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d31ckk+mh8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d33e15+8cul@eGroups.com>


> bboyminn:
> 
> I'm curious whether these pronunciations are correct relative to the
> rules and structure of the British English language, or if they are
> merely commonly accepted pronunciations?
> 
> For example, there is a standard rule that while not all inclusive,
> still cover many many words; it is, 'vowel, consonant, vowel'
> typically mean the first Vowel is long and the second Vowel is silent.
> So, 'Shire' become Sh-eye-er not shear or sheer. Further, the 'Ah'
> sound, doesn't strike me as a standard pronunciation of the letter
> 'U'; 'Burk' vs 'Bark'. 
> 
> So, I'm wondering if these accepted pronunciations aren't regional
> 'accent' variations that while in violation of standard UK English
> word construction and pronunciation, have come to be generally accepted?

catkind:  Rules?  There ain't no rules!

...or at least if there are there are more exceptions than examples.

Surely all "correct" pronunciations started off in one region or another?

My take on Berkshire:  b-ark-sh-er. Sh-eye-er becomes sh-er because
the first syllable is accented. 

catkind (from Suffolk, East Anglia)






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr  7 18:01:57 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:01:57 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <20050407091017.77323.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d33sil+saql@eGroups.com>


>Laydi Lindi (I think!) wrote:
>
> I've even gotten used to Hertfordshire.  The one name that still 
>cracks me up is Beaconsfield.  I was told very quickly that it is not 
>pronounced Bee-cons-feeld but rather Beck-ons-fell or Beck-on-vell, 
>depending on the person's accent.  LOL

Ah, now I've recently moved to the East Midlands from Herts and I call 
it Beck-ons-feeld!!!!  My favourite one in Herts is Chesham Bois, which 
I thought was pronounced as in French for wood, but it's actually 
Chesham Boys!!!  That's what comes of having a language which has been 
cobbled together from English, Saxon, Norse, Greek, Latin, Norman 
French and who knows what else, I suppose!  

Karen






From pbarhug at earthlink.net  Thu Apr  7 20:21:26 2005
From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:21:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
References: <d31ckk+mh8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005001c53baf$60039410$0201000a@DJZCB631>

Steve(bboyminn) wrote:

I'm curious whether these pronunciations are correct relative to the
rules and structure of the British English language, or if they are
merely commonly accepted pronunciations?

For example, there is a standard rule that while not all inclusive,
still cover many many words; it is, 'vowel, consonant, vowel'
typically mean the first Vowel is long and the second Vowel is silent.
So, 'Shire' become Sh-eye-er not shear or sheer. Further, the 'Ah'
sound, doesn't strike me as a standard pronunciation of the letter
'U'; 'Burk' vs 'Bark'. 

So, I'm wondering if these accepted pronunciations aren't regional
'accent' variations that while in violation of standard UK English
word construction and pronunciation, have come to be generally accepted?


I reply:

Actually the pronunciation quirks are a result of the Great Vowel Shift, a linguistic revolution that occurred between roughly the 15th and 17th centuries.  During that time, the way certain vowels were pronounced changed dramatically-- you can think of them as moving up a step.  So that in Chaucer's time and before, the e in "Berkshire" and "Derbyshire" were pronounced more like "ah" and the i was pronounced more like "ee," hence today's confusion.  Here's a good website to check out:
http://alpha.furman.edu/~mmenzer/gvs/what.htm

And for all of us who suffered through learning to read Chaucer in his original form:
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/vowels.html

This is a really good site where you can really see the pronunciation changes caused by the Shift.

Happy Reading!
pam

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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Thu Apr  7 21:27:55 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:27:55 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <005001c53baf$60039410$0201000a@DJZCB631>
Message-ID: <d348kr+i59m@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Pam Hugonnet" <pbarhug at e...> 
wrote:
> Steve(bboyminn) wrote:
> 
> I'm curious whether these pronunciations are correct relative to the
> rules and structure of the British English language, or if they are
> merely commonly accepted pronunciations?
> 
> For example, there is a standard rule that while not all inclusive,
> still cover many many words; it is, 'vowel, consonant, vowel'
> typically mean the first Vowel is long and the second Vowel is 
silent.
> So, 'Shire' become Sh-eye-er not shear or sheer. 

Geoff:
The vowel-consonant-vowel rule is very important with many words 
ending in "e" where the final vowel appears to be superfluous. But, 
as you say, it lengthens the preceding vowel and therefore often 
differentiates pronunciation. Examples are: mat/mate, not/note, 
man/mane and so on. This also explains why, if the short vowel 
example is a verb, it often doubles the final consonant in the past 
tense... mat/matted, tan/tanned, fulfil/fulfilled, counsel/counselled 
and so on.

Steve:
Further, the 'Ah'
> sound, doesn't strike me as a standard pronunciation of the letter
> 'U'; 'Burk' vs 'Bark'. 
> 
> So, I'm wondering if these accepted pronunciations aren't regional
> 'accent' variations that while in violation of standard UK English
> word construction and pronunciation, have come to be generally 
accepted?


Geoff:
There are other examples of the "e" spoken as an "a" still around 
nowadays. Derbyshire (pronounced Darbyshire) and clerk (pronounced 
clark) come to mind.

It is interesting that someone referred to the derivation of "berk" 
from the extremely obscene Cockney rhyming slang. because "berk" on 
its own has reverted to the pronunciation as spelt. As an aside, it 
is much more mildly pejorative than originally so. I have no qualms 
in calling a friend "a silly berk" when something daft has been done.

There is a thread discussing rhyming slang and associated topics on 
the main HPFGU group. It begins at message 80201 as "English Slang" 
and becomes "Idioms amd slang" as it goes along. Might be worth a 
read.

I think saying that there are no rules on pronunciation and spelling 
in English is rather extreme. We leap with great glee on the 
exceptions - often occurring in place names.

To this end, two personal anecdotes. In West Somerset, where I now 
live, villages or areas ending in "-worthy" are pronounced as if 
ending in "-ery". Examples are Badgworthy Water (in Lorna Doone 
country) which becomes "Badgery Water" and Pinkworthy Pond on the 
high moor which has become "Pinkery Pond" and is even spelt in this 
way on modern maps. Near to myhome in Porlock is Selworthy, famous 
for its church and village green. My family jokingly refer to it 
as "Celery" :-)

The other is a joke at the expense of US friends. Many years ago, I 
was on holiday with my family in the western Lake District. We were 
by the side of a road near to Wastwater, one of the more remote 
lakes, when a car drew up and an American visitor leaned out and 
asked "Am I right for Wastewater?" As I gently corrected his 
pronunciation and told him that he was indeed, my teenage rebels 
behind me were attempting to stifle howls of laughter and my eldest 
son remarked, as our visitor departed "Dad, are you sure he wasn't 
looking for Sellafield?" This latter village is the site of one of 
the biggest nuclear power plants in the UK and was only 6 miles fom 
us. This joke is now part of family history!

Finally, and more seriously, for anyone interested in the development 
of our language, may I direct you to a book written by that excellent 
Anglophile American Bill Bryson "Mother Tongue".






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 22:19:38 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:19:38 -0000
Subject: HBP at the Bookstore
Message-ID: <d34blq+9968@eGroups.com>


I went into a Borders AND a Barnes and Nobles this week looking for 
the HBP displays and hopefully to get some HBP bookmarks (pretty much 
like I did with OoP) Neither store has the displays or the 
bookmarks!!!! I am wondering when they will appear. Seems to me 100 
days out is not too much to ask! To salve my wounded soul, I bought 
the new Artemis Fowl book...........Just checking to see who out there 
has been to their bookstore and if the displays (and bookmarks) are 
out yet? 

Dudemom_2000

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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 22:48:30 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:48:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP at the Bookstore
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050407224830.85071.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

I have not been to one here yet but am planning on stopping by tomorrow (to barnes and noble) to buy my mom a birthday present.  I will be sure to scope it out and report back!!  ; )
 
moonmyyst


dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I went into a Borders AND a Barnes and Nobles this week looking for 
the HBP displays and hopefully to get some HBP bookmarks (pretty much 
like I did with OoP) Neither store has the displays or the 
bookmarks!!!! I am wondering when they will appear. Seems to me 100 
days out is not too much to ask! To salve my wounded soul, I bought 
the new Artemis Fowl book...........Just checking to see who out there 
has been to their bookstore and if the displays (and bookmarks) are 
out yet? 

Dudemom_2000

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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 02:10:07 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:10:07 -0000
Subject: HBP at the Bookstore
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> I went into a Borders AND a Barnes and Nobles this week looking for 
> the HBP displays and hopefully to get some HBP bookmarks (pretty much 
> like I did with OoP) Neither store has the displays or the 
> bookmarks!!!! I am wondering when they will appear. Seems to me 100 
> days out is not too much to ask! 

Tonks:
Things will not start until April 16th. That the best this Auror can 
dig up.

Tonks_op






From swartell at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 02:55:50 2005
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050408025550.76737.qmail@web53210.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Ali <Ali at zymurgy.org> wrote:
> 
> Funnily enough, "Burkshire" used to be the local
> pronunciation of Berkshire. ...<snip>.... But then I
 
> also live in a town called "Reading" which is 
> pronounced as "Redding" -

I grew up in southeastern Pennsylvania, very near the
city of Reading (Redding), which was the county seat
of Berks (burks) County.  One of the main shopping
centers in Reading was the Berkshire (burk-sheer)
Mall. (A side note is that nearby was Bucks county.)

So apparently we kept some of the old pronunciations
and lost others, or perhaps retained some that shifted
back in the country of origin.

I'm not entirely convinced that the place name
pronounciations in the British Isles in general are
not an elaborate joke on the entire rest of the world.
 As in, "Let's just see how silly we can make these
people look" - a mild enough form of entertainment, to
be sure.

As for the "correct" pronounciation, I think it's
whatever the folks who live there say it is.  And if
they can't agree, I think I'll just give it up as a
bad job and spell it out.


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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 03:22:27 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:22:27 -0000
Subject: yahoo survey
Message-ID: <d34tdj+nqu9@eGroups.com>


Did anyone else get one of these? I have a popup blocker on, but it 
came up anyway. They were asking about how I liked the groups, etc. It 
poped up after I posted on the main group. Anyone else get one?

Tonks_op






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 06:12:34 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:12:34 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <20050408025550.76737.qmail@web53210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d357ci+rmnt@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sue Wartell <swartell at y...> 
wrote:
> I'm not entirely convinced that the place name
> pronounciations in the British Isles in general are
> not an elaborate joke on the entire rest of the world.
>  As in, "Let's just see how silly we can make these
> people look" - a mild enough form of entertainment, to
> be sure.
> 
> As for the "correct" pronounciation, I think it's
> whatever the folks who live there say it is.  And if
> they can't agree, I think I'll just give it up as a
> bad job and spell it out.

We have them in America, too.  For example, I used to reside in 
Utah.  Would you believe Tooele is pronounce Teh-wil-ah?  and 
Hurricane has a short a vowel sound at the end instead of a long a.  
Also, the local dialect requires that the towns of Spanish Fork and 
American Fork use the sound "fark."   Orignally I'm from Michigan.  
We have two spellings of the place name Mackinaw; one way spells it 
that way, and another spells it Mackinac.  And if you go to the Upper 
Peninsula (that's that chunk of Michigan that looks like it should 
belong to Minnesota) they about speak another language.  I've also 
lived in Missouri; but it's Missourah the closer you get to 
Arkansas.  This brings up the challenge between saying Arkansas (Ar-
can-saw) and Kansas (Cans-ass).  I live on Nowlin street; I pronounce 
it Now-lin, but some prefer No-lin.  I also live in the town of 
Dearborn, but old-timers like my dad call it Deer-bern.  When 
travelling in California, I made the mistake of pronouncing La Jolla 
the way it looks in English; because it's a Spanish name, it's La 
Hoya. 

America has an amazing number of different dialects, far more than 
simply southern and northern, as well as differentiating speeds.  
Even vocabulary changes from region to region:  what's pop in one 
place is soda in another and coke in a third, grocery stores in Utah 
put purchases in a sack rather than a bag, and in Michigan a sliding 
glass door is known as a doorwall.  And don't even get me started on 
the idiomatic expressions!  

imamommy
who took way too long to learn how to pronounce "worchestershire" (as 
in the sauce used on meat) correctly, and definitely thinks the 
English made that one up just to torment people.






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr  8 12:11:49 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:11:49 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050406151511b3999@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d35se5+tq7j@eGroups.com>


Dina wrote:

> Hm, that would make the 'slang' of being called a 'berk', which I
> think is used in the HP books at least once, pronounced as 'bark'?
> 
> As Kathryn pointed out, there is no U (Matrix flashback: there is 
no
> spoon); however, from a phonetic standpoint of other existing
> examples, I'd pronounce it as I see it: Burk-sh-eye-er.

Berk is pronounced 'birk' (i.e. buh-k, given we don't usually 
pronounce 'r' after a vowel and before a consonant).

Berkshire is pronounced 'Barkshire'.

There are a few other words like Berkshire: Hertford(shire), clerk, 
sergeant, Berkeley (not the one in California) come to mind.

IIRC, Hertford College in Oxford is pronounced 'Harford', while the 
town is pronounced 'Hartford'.

David






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr  8 12:36:13 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:36:13 -0000
Subject: Putting in my 2p again
In-Reply-To: <d2vi74+1fo5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d35trt+1vuf@eGroups.com>


Tonks wrote, concerning my plan to suppress electioneering through 
selective use of funerals:

> I don't really think we should joke about such a thing. I am a bit 
> worried with all of the world leaders going to the Pope's funeral. 
All 
> of them there in one place. I'm sure security will be very tight, but 
> still I am very worried.

Well, it seems to have gone off OK, whether through tight security or 
the realisation by terrorists that they have better things to do.

But I'm with Harry, Fred, and George on this one.  The gloomier and 
more worrisome the situation, the more call there is for joking.  Look 
at Soviet Russia.

David






From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  8 12:36:16 2005
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:36:16 -0400
Subject: HP and the Book Store
References: <1112960144.1669.5806.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c53c37$9c574500$b94a56d1@leeannlaptop>

I went into a Borders AND a Barnes and Nobles this week looking for
the HBP displays and hopefully to get some HBP bookmarks (pretty much
like I did with OoP) Neither store has the displays or the
bookmarks!!!! I am wondering when they will appear. Seems to me 100
days out is not too much to ask! To salve my wounded soul, I bought
the new Artemis Fowl book...........Just checking to see who out there
has been to their bookstore and if the displays (and bookmarks) are
out yet?

Dudemom_2000


Leeann Responds With A Small Amount of Information:

Reading Mugglenet recently, I saw where there will be a countdown display in 
book stores starting at 50 days prior. You can get a look at it on the web 
site. Mugglenet also has a countdown clock you can place on your desktop.

(Have to go, running low on duct tape. I have to keep my head together while 
I wait. Not that I don't have a very interesting life! Honest I do. Really, 
I do. ) 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr  8 12:56:10 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:56:10 -0000
Subject: HBP at the Bookstore
In-Reply-To: <d34blq+9968@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d35v1a+5n06@eGroups.com>


Dudemom wrote:

> I went into a Borders AND a Barnes and Nobles this week looking for 
> the HBP displays and hopefully to get some HBP bookmarks (pretty much 
> like I did with OoP) Neither store has the displays or the 
> bookmarks!!!! I am wondering when they will appear. Seems to me 100 
> days out is not too much to ask! To salve my wounded soul, I bought 
> the new Artemis Fowl book...........Just checking to see who out 
there 
> has been to their bookstore and if the displays (and bookmarks) are 
> out yet? 

I don't know about bookmarks but I have seen stands in bookshops here 
advertising that you can get a discount on the recommended price if you 
order early.

Since, for previous releases, the books have been equally discounted on 
the day of publication, I don't intend to take up the offer.

I will be perfectly happy for the razzmatazz to be kept to a minimum, 
and think that 10 days is too long a time for displays.

David






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  8 12:57:03 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:57:03 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d35se5+tq7j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d35v2v+e7ce@eGroups.com>


> IIRC, Hertford College in Oxford is pronounced 'Harford', while the 
> town is pronounced 'Hartford'.

I've always heard it said with a glottal stop at the very least, 
suppose it depends on the accent of the person to whom you're
speaking. But you forgot the obvious one, Magdalen, pronounced
Maudlin (for no apparent reason). 

An entertaining thread... And we haven't even started on Welsh or 
Scottish place names... How about Auchtermuchty? Or for the very
brave, 
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch..? 
(It's best to only attempt the correct pronunciation with a really
bad throat infection - sadly, I heard that it's been officially 
shortened to Llanfairpwll.)

Dung






From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri Apr  8 13:15:46 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:15:46 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d35v2v+e7ce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36062+h4qb@eGroups.com>



Ahhhh!  

Literally, "Saint Mary's Church in the hollow of the white hazal 
near a rapid whirlpool and the Church of St. Tysilio of the red 
cave."

As stated in the town's official website.  It even has a sound file 
to hear the proper pronounciation.  It would take years to get that 
right!  My next door neighbor is Welch.  I should ask her to 
pronounce the name.

See (the longest url on the web)
http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.
uk/

Now, since Pink Floyd did a song, "Several Species of Small Furry 
Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict," 
shouldn't we naturally have a single word for it?

Joe


 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch..? 
> (It's best to only attempt the correct pronunciation with a really
> bad throat infection - sadly, I heard that it's been officially 
> shortened to Llanfairpwll.)
> 
> Dung






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr  8 13:25:34 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:25:34 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d35v2v+e7ce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d360oe+q03p@eGroups.com>


Dungrollin wrote:

> But you forgot the obvious one, Magdalen, pronounced
> Maudlin (for no apparent reason). 

Presumably connected to the French version of the name: Madeleine.

Oh, yes, well, I was sticking to the -er- question (and managed to 
forget Derby).  There's also Caius College at Cambridge 
(pronounced 'Keys').

When I was interviewed at St Peter's (Oxon) my father (ex-Teddy Hall) 
laughed and said "Oh, Pot Hall!", and friends at Trinity College 
(Cantab again) derisively referred to Trinity Hall as Tit Hall.

David






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 13:53:29 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:53:29 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d33sil+saql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d362cp+skvv@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker"
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:
My favourite one in Herts is Chesham Bois, which 
> I thought was pronounced as in French for wood, but it's actually 
> Chesham Boys!!!  That's what comes of having a language which has been 
> cobbled together from English, Saxon, Norse, Greek, Latin, Norman 
> French and who knows what else, I suppose!  
> 
> Karen

Ah, well now I don't feel too bad.  We have a town in Pennsylvania
called North Versailles, pronounced North Ver-sails.  And, it's all by
itself - there's no other Versailles of any direction nearby; it's a
monopole.

Annemehr







From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  8 14:23:05 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:23:05 -0000
Subject: Colleges (was Speaking 'properly' or not)
In-Reply-To: <d360oe+q03p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36449+ibfd@eGroups.com>


> When I was interviewed at St Peter's (Oxon) my father (ex-Teddy
Hall) 
> laughed and said "Oh, Pot Hall!", and friends at Trinity College 
> (Cantab again) derisively referred to Trinity Hall as Tit Hall.
> 
> David

IIRC the enmity between Trinity College and Trinity Hall (Camb) is 
legend. Didn't a load of students sneak over the wall in the middle
of the night and paint the other college's boathouse green? Or am I
mixing up my anecdotes? It could have been Trinity College Oxford and
Baliol. They've hated each other for centuries, too. 

Ah... the uses to which undergrads put their time... 

Dung







From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 14:41:58 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050408144158.67466.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>

dungrollin wrote:
 
An entertaining thread... And we haven't even started on Welsh or 
Scottish place names... How about Auchtermuchty? Or for the very
brave, 
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch..? 
(It's best to only attempt the correct pronunciation with a really
bad throat infection - sadly, I heard that it's been officially 
shortened to Llanfairpwll.)

Dung
 
Lynn:
 
I agree, this has been a very interesting thread.  And, we also haven't gotten into some of the other languages we may attempt to speak.  When I first heard how I was supposed to pronounce "sch" in Dutch, I informed my husband that I was always taught a lady didn't make that sound.  For those who have never heard it, think of the sound made when people reach for flem in their throats getting ready to spit.  That's the sound.  LOL
 
I think all languages have their exceptions to the general rules where it seems as if the exception is the rule.  As long as we can laugh with each other over such things, we are doing well.  Besides, I've learned a whole lot through this thread.  Still can't quite grasp the whole change of vowel thing yet but then, I'm still using the slang I used in the 70s.  LOL
 
Lynn


 

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From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Fri Apr  8 15:49:07 2005
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:49:07 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP at the Bookstore
Message-ID: <59.2532f6af.2f8801f3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/7/2005 3:22:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com writes:

I went  into a Borders AND a Barnes and Nobles this week looking for 
the HBP  displays and hopefully to get some HBP bookmarks (pretty much 
like I did  with OoP) Neither store has the displays or the 
bookmarks!!!! I am  wondering when they will appear. Seems to me 100 
days out is not too much  to ask! To salve my wounded soul, I bought 
the new Artemis Fowl  book...........Just checking to see who out there 
has been to their  bookstore and if the displays (and bookmarks) are 
out yet?  

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





***********************************************
 
Chancie:
 
I was walking through the mall last week wasting time, and went 
past a Walden (sp?) Books Store, and they had a large display
showing HBP (not the same display that has been showed on
TLC or MuggleNet.  The book was still rather plain, with the old
purple cover no picture of Dumbledore and Harry...) and stating
that it would be released in 106 days.  I assumed from seeing  this
that many other stores would have similar displays, but I see now
that I was wrong.  
 
Chancie~who's dreaming of the day when the countdown is over and
the book is FINALLY in hand...


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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Apr  8 16:04:21 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:04:21 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d357ci+rmnt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36a25+ac99@eGroups.com>


Nobody's brought up the uniquely Texan way of mangling the language 
(of which our President is the poster boy), as well as its place 
names. 

We have Palestine (Pal-es-TEEN) and Colorado City (colo-RAY-do). I 
once lived on a street named Huisache, which was always fun to hear 
telemarketers from "up north" try to pronounce. In south Texas, there 
is a town of the same name that is spelled the way it sounds: 
Weesatch.

Many years ago, I worked for a company that ordered items from 
Minneapolis for drop-shipping to other places. I placed one order 
over the phone to be shipped to Sanger, Texas, which is about 40 
miles north of Dallas. Time passed and the folks in Sanger never got 
their order, so I called Mpls to see what was the holdup. The person 
in Mpls said, "We shipped that, but it came back. There's no such 
place as Singer, Texas."

"But I very plainly said Sanger. SANGer!"

"Oh. I thought you were saying 'Singer' in your Texas accent."

Then there is the old joke about two out-of-town guys sitting in a 
fast-food restaurant in the city of Mexia, Texas, arguing about how 
the name is pronounced. One insists it's MEX-e-ah, like it's spelled. 
The other insists it's me-HAY-ah, like it would be in Spanish. To 
resolve the controversy, they call over the hometown waitress and 
ask, "Can you please tell us how you pronounce the name of this 
place?" The waitress points to the sign on the wall and says very 
slowly and precisely, "DAI-RY QUEEN."

Ms. Tattersall
(It's me-HAY-ah, by the way.)

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> > 
> We have them in America, too.  For example, I used to reside in 
> Utah.  Would you believe Tooele is pronounce Teh-wil-ah?  and 
> Hurricane has a short a vowel sound at the end instead of a long 
a.  
> Also, the local dialect requires that the towns of Spanish Fork and 
> American Fork use the sound "fark."   Orignally I'm from Michigan.  
> We have two spellings of the place name Mackinaw; one way spells it 
> that way, and another spells it Mackinac.  And if you go to the 
Upper 
> Peninsula (that's that chunk of Michigan that looks like it should 
> belong to Minnesota) they about speak another language.  I've also 
> lived in Missouri; but it's Missourah the closer you get to 
> Arkansas.  This brings up the challenge between saying Arkansas (Ar-
> can-saw) and Kansas (Cans-ass).  I live on Nowlin street; I 
pronounce 
> it Now-lin, but some prefer No-lin.  I also live in the town of 
> Dearborn, but old-timers like my dad call it Deer-bern.  When 
> travelling in California, I made the mistake of pronouncing La 
Jolla 
> the way it looks in English; because it's a Spanish name, it's La 
> Hoya. 
> 
> America has an amazing number of different dialects, far more than 
> simply southern and northern, as well as differentiating speeds.  
> Even vocabulary changes from region to region:  what's pop in one 
> place is soda in another and coke in a third, grocery stores in 
Utah 
> put purchases in a sack rather than a bag, and in Michigan a 
sliding 
> glass door is known as a doorwall.  And don't even get me started 
on 
> the idiomatic expressions!  
> 
> imamommy
> who took way too long to learn how to pronounce "worchestershire" 
(as 
> in the sauce used on meat) correctly, and definitely thinks the 
> English made that one up just to torment people.






From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:06:34 2005
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:06:34 -0000
Subject: HBP at the Bookstore
In-Reply-To: <59.2532f6af.2f8801f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d36a6a+8c46@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 4/7/2005 3:22:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
> dudemom_2000 at y... writes:
> 
> I went  into a Borders AND a Barnes and Nobles this week looking
for 
> the HBP  displays and hopefully to get some HBP bookmarks (pretty
much 
> like I did  with OoP) Neither store has the displays or the 
> bookmarks!!!! I am  wondering when they will appear. Seems to me
100 
> days out is not too much  to ask! To salve my wounded soul, I
bought 
> the new Artemis Fowl  book...........Just checking to see who out
there 
> has been to their  bookstore and if the displays (and bookmarks)
are 
> out yet?  
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

Very strange - though I'm not sure if your experience is strange, or
mine is.  I went into Borders last night to buy a joke book for my
6-year-old (in hindsight, not the best decision, as I'm totally sick
of knockknock jokes and elephant jokes already) and they had the big
stand-up sign with the cover of the book on it, and a countdown bit
saying there were "100 DAYS LEFT!".  Right in the front entrance.

Hmmmm.  As for the bookmarks, I didn't check.  I've pre-ordered my
copy from Amazon, so I didn't go up to ask if I could pre-order it at
Borders, too.  I didn't get a bookmark in my shopping bag as usual,
though.  That's a little unusual.  

Hope your stores set up their displays soon!

-Jen






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  8 16:45:20 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:45:20 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d35v2v+e7ce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36cf0+ulss@eGroups.com>


Dung wrote:

> But you forgot the obvious one, Magdalen, pronounced
> Maudlin (for no apparent reason). 
> 


Or my personal favourite Cauis College, Cambridge - pronounced 'keys' 
college!

Karen






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  8 16:57:32 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:57:32 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <20050408144158.67466.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d36d5s+gs4i@eGroups.com>


Lynn wrote 
> I think all languages have their exceptions to the general rules 
>where it seems as if the exception is the rule.  As long as we can 
>laugh with each other over such things, we are doing well.  
Besides, >I've learned a whole lot through this thread.  Still can't 
quite grasp >the whole change of vowel thing yet but then, I'm still 
using the >slang I used in the 70s.  LOL

Just to give all you Americans a chance for a laugh at a Dumb Brit 
on this subject, many years ago, when I was still a slip of a girl 
and Hill Street Blues was first shown over here, I was rather 
nonplussed by one of the characters whose name appeared to be Hey-
Zeus (In fact at the very beginning I thought it was just Zeus and 
they were greeting him with a 'hey').  It was several episodes 
before I finally got round the reading the credits and realising 
that his name appeared to be Jesus!  This was just as baffling 
thought as you would never find someone from the UK called Jesus and 
I thought it was kind of taboo!!!

Karen







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 17:09:43 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:09:43 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d31jrb+b5lg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36dsn+nuno@eGroups.com>


Steve:
> . ...and by the way, how do they prononce
> > 'yoghurt' if not as the dictionary indicates 'yogert'.

Karen: 
> As I understand it the American English way to pronounce yoghurt is 
> yo-gert (as in yo-yo), whereas the English (no need to say British 
> English BTW, LOL!) is yog-ert wher yog rhymes with jog.


SSSusan:
Wow!  I go away for two days, and y'all are having some FUN around 
here.

Steve, if you want to hear it pronounced the British way, 
watch "Love, Actually" and wait for Alan Rickman's hilarious 
encounter with Rowan Atkinson at the jewelry counter.  "What, are you 
going to dip it in YOG-hurt next?" 

And I'm waiting for Texan Jen to pipe up on Steve's comments about 
all = awl and oil = awl.  Just what *is* that microscopic difference 
in pronunciation which distinguishes the two?  :-)

A couple of the most annoying mispronunciations I hear with Americans 
are "ath-uh-lete" for "athlete" and "souf [rhymes with south]-more" 
for "sophomore."  Bleh.

Now I could start a real argument amongst Americans, I imagine, by 
asking who says "VEE-uh-kuhl" and who says "vee-HICK-uhl" 
for "vehicle."  I've probably given away my preference in the way I 
phoneticized the two versions. ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan, who'd never have known it was "Bark-sheer" and 
would've embarrassed herself by saying "Berk [rhymes with "jerk"]-
sher [rhymes with "were"].  







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 17:16:53 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:16:53 -0000
Subject: Writing off-list e-mails - In General
In-Reply-To: <d32iut+ggn7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36ea5+h4m2@eGroups.com>


Steve:
> The problem is that there is no CC: ability. If I send someone an
> email from within the group, there is really no way for me to send a
> copy of it to myself so I can keep if as a record of what I said and
> who I sent it to.
 

SSSusan:
YES, YES, YES!!!!!  This, along with the crappy search functionality, 
is my biggest gripe with Yahoo!Groups.  It would be helpful when 
writing offlist to someone or just when posting in general, so you'd 
have a built-in copy in case the post never showed up [which has 
happened before, to me at least].

When I've wanted to keep a copy, I've always just highlighted, copied & 
pasted into a new e-mail message I send to myself (within my e-mail 
client) before hitting "send" at the Y!G site.  But it's a pain!

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri Apr  8 17:19:52 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:19:52 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d36dsn+nuno@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36efo+i93e@eGroups.com>


I still remember back to navy boot camp when we were learning ship 
terminology.

The front of a ship - the "forecastle" is not typically pronounced 
as fore-castle, but rather fOk-s+l.

It is still one of the stranger spelling vs pronunciations I recall.

Joe


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> 
> Steve:
> > . ...and by the way, how do they prononce
> > > 'yoghurt' if not as the dictionary indicates 'yogert'.
> 
> Karen: 
> > As I understand it the American English way to pronounce yoghurt 
is 
> > yo-gert (as in yo-yo), whereas the English (no need to say 
British 
> > English BTW, LOL!) is yog-ert wher yog rhymes with jog.
> 
> 
> SSSusan:
> Wow!  I go away for two days, and y'all are having some FUN around 
> here.
> 
> Steve, if you want to hear it pronounced the British way, 
> watch "Love, Actually" and wait for Alan Rickman's hilarious 
> encounter with Rowan Atkinson at the jewelry counter.  "What, are 
you 
> going to dip it in YOG-hurt next?" 
> 
> And I'm waiting for Texan Jen to pipe up on Steve's comments about 
> all = awl and oil = awl.  Just what *is* that microscopic 
difference 
> in pronunciation which distinguishes the two?  :-)
> 
> A couple of the most annoying mispronunciations I hear with 
Americans 
> are "ath-uh-lete" for "athlete" and "souf [rhymes with south]-
more" 
> for "sophomore."  Bleh.
> 
> Now I could start a real argument amongst Americans, I imagine, by 
> asking who says "VEE-uh-kuhl" and who says "vee-HICK-uhl" 
> for "vehicle."  I've probably given away my preference in the way 
I 
> phoneticized the two versions. ;-)
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan, who'd never have known it was "Bark-sheer" 
and 
> would've embarrassed herself by saying "Berk [rhymes with "jerk"]-
> sher [rhymes with "were"].






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 17:27:50 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:27:50 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <20050408025550.76737.qmail@web53210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d36eum+u06b@eGroups.com>


Sue W.:
> I grew up in southeastern Pennsylvania, very near the
> city of Reading (Redding), which was the county seat
> of Berks (burks) County.  One of the main shopping
> centers in Reading was the Berkshire (burk-sheer)
> Mall. (A side note is that nearby was Bucks county.)
> 
> So apparently we kept some of the old pronunciations
> and lost others, or perhaps retained some that shifted
> back in the country of origin.


SSSusan:
We have absolutely *butchered* some of the original pronunciations in 
Indiana.  There is a town named Versailles, which of course any self-
respecting person would WANT to pronounce in its French form ("vehr-
sigh" is the best I can come up with for phonetics).  But, OH no.  
Here Hoosiers feel compelled to call it "vehr-SALES."  There is also 
a tendency to pronounce Brazil, Indiana, as "Bray-zil." ::shudder::

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 18:05:14 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:05:14 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d357ci+rmnt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36h4q+rflk@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:

> 
> America has an amazing number of different dialects, far more than 
> simply southern and northern, as well as differentiating speeds.  
> Even vocabulary changes from region to region:  ...edited...
> 
> imamommy


bboyminn:

Just a very short note. 

That reminded me of my grandmother. For some reason when she was in
Iowa, and people asked her where she was from, she said 'EYE-wha', but
if she was out of Iowa and people asked her, she would reply
'eye-oh-WAY'. I neved did figure out why.

Steve/bboyminn






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 18:06:52 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:06:52 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d36dsn+nuno@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36h7s+afai@eGroups.com>


snip
> Now I could start a real argument amongst Americans, I imagine, by 
> asking who says "VEE-uh-kuhl" and who says "vee-HICK-uhl" 
> for "vehicle."  I've probably given away my preference in the way I 
> phoneticized the two versions. ;-)
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan, who'd never have known it was "Bark-sheer" 
and 
> would've embarrassed herself by saying "Berk [rhymes with "jerk"]-
> sher [rhymes with "were"].

Do you have in-SUR-ance, or IN-sur-ance on that vehicle?
imamommy






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 18:16:25 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:16:25 -0000
Subject: Have you read 'Bartimaeus Trilogy'?
Message-ID: <d36hpp+o4pk@eGroups.com>


Saw this book in the store the other day, and wonder if it was any good?

It's about an 11 year-old magician (not the stage kind) who is learing
magic, and is constantly tormented by his archenemy Samarkand.

It could be fresh and unique or it could be riding on the coattails of
Harry.

Only saw it in hard cover, and my budget it too tight to spring $20
for some light reading.

Also, I've only see two volumes availabe. Is that correct, the third
volume hasn't been written yet?

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn

Volume 1 - The Amulet of Samarkand (author - Jonathan Stroud)
Volume 2 - The Golem's Eye
Volume 3 - ?






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 18:28:39 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:28:39 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d36h7s+afai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36ign+vkgk@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> 
> snip
> > Now I could start a real argument amongst Americans, I imagine, by 
> > asking who says "VEE-uh-kuhl" and who says "vee-HICK-uhl" 
> > for "vehicle."  I've probably given away my preference in the way I 
> > phoneticized the two versions. ;-)
> > 
> > Siriusly Snapey Susan, who'd never have known it was "Bark-sheer" 
> and 
> > would've embarrassed herself by saying "Berk [rhymes with "jerk"]-
> > sher [rhymes with "were"].
> 
> Do you have in-SUR-ance, or IN-sur-ance on that vehicle?
> imamommy


Heh heh.  *I* have in-SUR-ance on my VEE-uh-kuhl, as a de-FENSE against 
uninsured drivers. 

But many of my neighbors have IN-sur-ance on their vee-HICK-uhls, as 
DEE-fense against uninsured drivers.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 18:45:04 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050408184504.38705.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>



Karen Barker  wrote:
 
Just to give all you Americans a chance for a laugh at a Dumb Brit 
on this subject, many years ago, when I was still a slip of a girl 
and Hill Street Blues was first shown over here, I was rather 
nonplussed by one of the characters whose name appeared to be Hey-
Zeus (In fact at the very beginning I thought it was just Zeus and 
they were greeting him with a 'hey').  It was several episodes 
before I finally got round the reading the credits and realising 
that his name appeared to be Jesus!  This was just as baffling 
thought as you would never find someone from the UK called Jesus and I thought it was kind of taboo!!!


Lynn:

You shouldn't feel dumb.  There are many Americans who don't know how to pronounce it either and say Gee-sus.  I learned how to say it when I was living in the midst of a fairly large Puerta Rican community.  As this was a prominently Catholic community, kids were given either the names of saints or of the Holy Family with Jesus being a favorite.

Lynn







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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 18:45:42 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:45:42 -0400
Subject: Sent my smut/illegal filled computer in for repairs...
Message-ID: <1a27384005040811453da9e13a@mail.gmail.com>

Err, it's rather embarrassing... I've got hardcore gay pr0n--right
next to Harry Potter audio files and the movies--along with...
'unauthorized' software and MP3s out to wazoo on that computer. 
Though, trying out various programs is what got me into this mess in
the first place.  My other computer got a nasty virus and I don't have
the OS disk or the serial. :-\  I bought the computer 'handmade' (not
custom made) by some guy.  However, what annoys me is that I scanned
all incoming programs with both updated Norton's and McAfee's
scanners, which I paid for, and still got a virus.

Um, I hope this computer 'geek' isn't too uptight.  He's young, so
hopefully...  Though, when we meet again, he'll probably look at me
differently. =:-o

If he can fix the computer, I'd consider it worth it since he does
on-site, the entire repair job costs $60, and he'll both pick up and
drop off the computer.

I just hope he can repair it. :-\  No OS disk or serial isn't good.

Dina



From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 18:56:02 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050408185602.35692.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com>

 SSSusan wrote:

Now I could start a real argument amongst Americans, I imagine, by 
asking who says "VEE-uh-kuhl" and who says "vee-HICK-uhl" 
for "vehicle."  I've probably given away my preference in the way I 
phoneticized the two versions. ;-)


Lynn:
 
Nah, VEE-i-ckle wouldn't cause an argument - but AUNT probably would.  LOL  Is it pronounced AWnt or ant?  What about wrestle?  Wres-le or Wras-le?  
 
I'm still wondering how wash has become warsh in some parts of the country.
 
When I first moved to Boston, I wasn't used to the whole Boston way of switching the er and a at the end of a word.  I was temping at a law firm and doing some transcription.  In practically every sentence this guy would say "karmer" and then go on with the sentence.  I typed it [karmer?] in each instance and it was not until I started to proofread that I realized that he was actually saying was comma.  It's my favorite Boston accent story.  Now it's time to get myself a tonic.  LOL
 
Lynn


 

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 19:09:14 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:09:14 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36eum+u06b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36ksq+ak46@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman"
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:

> SSSusan:
> We have absolutely *butchered* some of the original pronunciations in 
> Indiana.  There is a town named Versailles, which of course any self-
> respecting person would WANT to pronounce in its French form ("vehr-
> sigh" is the best I can come up with for phonetics).  But, OH no.  
> Here Hoosiers feel compelled to call it "vehr-SALES."  There is also 
> a tendency to pronounce Brazil, Indiana, as "Bray-zil." ::shudder::
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

bboyminn:

I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never seen
another language where words are pronounce so differently than they
are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in a word if not
to lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 

Example:  bour?geois (boor-zhw?) [should sound similar to 'gorgeous'
but with a 'B' instead of the first 'G', and an odd inflection on the
second 'G'.]

Ok, I can get the odd 'G' pronunciation, just like I can get that
'J'='H' in Spanish (Juan = Hwan or Jesus = Hey-sous), but how on earth
does 'eois' become 'wa'. 

My heartiest congradulations to any non-French person who has manage
to learn to read and speak the French language.

I think the Thia and the Lao have the right idea, they have one letter
for every sound (something like 40+ letters in the alphabet), so if
you can say it, you can spell it, and if you can spell it, you can say it.

Don't want to start a war, just thinking out loud.

Steve/bboyminn







From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 19:35:01 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:35:01 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d36ign+vkgk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36md5+lgob@eGroups.com>


> Heh heh.  *I* have in-SUR-ance on my VEE-uh-kuhl, as a de-FENSE 
against 
> uninsured drivers. 
> 
> But many of my neighbors have IN-sur-ance on their vee-HICK-uhls, as 
> DEE-fense against uninsured drivers.
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Those would be the ones who will call the PO-lice if they get in a 
wreck, whereas you would phone the po-LICE?

imamommy






From richard at sc.lug.org.uk  Fri Apr  8 19:36:31 2005
From: richard at sc.lug.org.uk (richard_smedley)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:36:31 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <20050408144158.67466.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d36mfv+6nfq@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, dungrollin wrote:
>  
> An entertaining thread... And we haven't even started on Welsh or 
> Scottish place names... How about Auchtermuchty? Or for the very
> brave, 
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch..? 
> (It's best to only attempt the correct pronunciation with a really
> bad throat infection - sadly, I heard that it's been officially 
> shortened to Llanfairpwll.)

It always was Llanfairpwll, until the railways came. Then the 
good townsfolk wanted a gimmick to bring in the visitors, and 
settled on a silly name. Quite a harmless bit of parochial PR,
really. :-)

Welsh is an entirely phonetic language, unlike English. Once I've
taught my English friends to pronounce our alphabet, they've had
no trouble with 
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyllllantysiliogogogoch. :-)

Have a google around, there should be plenty of sites telling you 
the letters of the Welsh alphabets - some of them should have
sound files. Make sure you get a gogledd (North Wales) one, they
don't speak properly in the south ;^)

In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> wrote:
> I agree, this has been a very interesting thread.  And, we 
> also haven't gotten into some of the other languages we may
> attempt to speak.  When I first heard how I was supposed to
> pronounce "sch" in Dutch, I informed my husband that I was
> always taught a lady didn't make that sound.  For those who
> have never heard it, think of the sound made when people reach
> for phlegm in their throats getting ready to spit. 

I do find that one hard =o)
In the war if the Dutch resistance suspected a new recruit
of being a German infiltrator they would swing the conversation
round to the point where the suspect had to pronounce 
Scheveningen. A non-native *never* gets this right and in
that particular case, this would lead to acute lead-poisoning =o/

[snip]
> Still can't quite grasp the whole change of vowel thing yet
> but then, I'm still using the slang I used in the 70s.  LOL

Well, most of us still use bits of 20s slang (`bee's knees'),
and a read through most Dickens novels will unearth slang
phrases still in use today, so if you stick to 70s-speak
you must be positively modern ;-)

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From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  8 19:51:19 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:51:19 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36ksq+ak46@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36nbn+cti7@eGroups.com>


 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never seen
> another language where words are pronounce so differently than they
> are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in a word if 
> notto lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 
> 
> Example:  bour?geois (boor-zhw?) [should sound similar 
to 'gorgeous' but with a 'B' instead of the first 'G', and an odd 
inflection on the second 'G'.]
> 
> Ok, I can get the odd 'G' pronunciation, just like I can get that
> 'J'='H' in Spanish (Juan = Hwan or Jesus = Hey-sous), but how on 
earth does 'eois' become 'wa'. 
> 
> My heartiest congradulations to any non-French person who has 
manage to learn to read and speak the French language.
> 
I did French 'O' level (OWL, LOL!!) when I was 16 at school, and 
while I can see exactly what you are saying - how on earth does eois 
sound like 'wa', all I can say in it's defence is at least it ALWAYS 
does sound like 'wa' (at least it always did in the basic minimum 
that you need to pass French 'O'Level!).  In English 'bow' 
and 'bough' both sound the same, but 'bough' sounds nothing 
like 'rough' or 'enough'.  Imagine being French and trying to learn 
English with that sort of deal going on!!!

Another thing that I've often wondered about when pondering the 
mysteries of English is if you take something apart you 'dismantle' 
it, but if you build something up you don't 'mantle' it.  If 
something is out of date it's defunct, but something current isn't 
funct (unless it's broken - sorry, couldn't resist!!).  There are 
loads of others I could bore you with but I'll spare you!

Karen






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  8 19:53:42 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:53:42 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d36md5+lgob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36ng6+8svl@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> 
> > Heh heh.  *I* have in-SUR-ance on my VEE-uh-kuhl, as a de-FENSE 
> against 
> > uninsured drivers. 
> > 
> > But many of my neighbors have IN-sur-ance on their vee-HICK-uhls, 
as 
> > DEE-fense against uninsured drivers.
> > 
> > Siriusly Snapey Susan
> 
> Those would be the ones who will call the PO-lice if they get in a 
> wreck, whereas you would phone the po-LICE?
> 
> imamommy

LOL!!  This is now making me think of a character from another imported 
Americal TV programme - Sherrif Roscoe P Coltraine, who gave me and my 
Dad hours of endless hilarity listening to him speaking in the dim and 
distant past!

Karen






From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri Apr  8 20:22:51 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:22:51 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36nbn+cti7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36p6r+on47@eGroups.com>


Yes but...

Bow can be pronounced two different ways as well. If you tie a bow 
on a present, it's "b-OO(long O)"  Acknowledging your audience 
it's "b-au"

Bough is a homophone to bow (to audience).  I wouldn't think it 
proper to pronounce bough as "b long o, though that might vary by 
region or country.  And yet I say the words myself, there seems to 
be a slightly different infliction between bow and bough - don't 
know how to explain that one.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker" 
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:
> 
>  
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never 
seen
> > another language where words are pronounce so differently than 
they
> > are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in a word 
if 
> > notto lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 
> > 
> > Example:  bour?geois (boor-zhw?) [should sound similar 
> to 'gorgeous' but with a 'B' instead of the first 'G', and an odd 
> inflection on the second 'G'.]
> > 
> > Ok, I can get the odd 'G' pronunciation, just like I can get that
> > 'J'='H' in Spanish (Juan = Hwan or Jesus = Hey-sous), but how on 
> earth does 'eois' become 'wa'. 
> > 
> > My heartiest congradulations to any non-French person who has 
> manage to learn to read and speak the French language.
> > 
> I did French 'O' level (OWL, LOL!!) when I was 16 at school, and 
> while I can see exactly what you are saying - how on earth does 
eois 
> sound like 'wa', all I can say in it's defence is at least it 
ALWAYS 
> does sound like 'wa' (at least it always did in the basic minimum 
> that you need to pass French 'O'Level!).  In English 'bow' 
> and 'bough' both sound the same, but 'bough' sounds nothing 
> like 'rough' or 'enough'.  Imagine being French and trying to 
learn 
> English with that sort of deal going on!!!
> 
> Another thing that I've often wondered about when pondering the 
> mysteries of English is if you take something apart 
you 'dismantle' 
> it, but if you build something up you don't 'mantle' it.  If 
> something is out of date it's defunct, but something current isn't 
> funct (unless it's broken - sorry, couldn't resist!!).  There are 
> loads of others I could bore you with but I'll spare you!
> 
> Karen






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Fri Apr  8 21:02:24 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly'
In-Reply-To: <d33sil+saql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36rh0+tpob@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker" 
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:

Karen:
> Ah, now I've recently moved to the East Midlands from Herts and I 
call 
> it Beck-ons-feeld!!!!  My favourite one in Herts is Chesham Bois, 
which 
> I thought was pronounced as in French for wood, but it's actually 
> Chesham Boys!!!  That's what comes of having a language which has 
been 
> cobbled together from English, Saxon, Norse, Greek, Latin, Norman 
> French and who knows what else, I suppose!  

Geoff:
Having lived in London for 45 years before defecting to Somerset, I 
always called it "Beconsfield" - like you.

Don't forget there's also Theydon Bois, near Epping which, although 
Essex is not a million miles from Chesham Bois. 






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 21:05:11 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:05:11 -0000
Subject: HBP at the Bookstore
In-Reply-To: <59.2532f6af.2f8801f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d36rm7+nmm8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 4/7/2005 3:22:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
> dudemom_2000 at y... message #26811   
>Snip< 

***********************************************
>  
> Chancie:
>  
> I was walking through the mall last week wasting time, and went 
> past a Walden (sp?) Books Store, and they had a large display
> showing HBP (not the same display that has been showed on
> TLC or MuggleNet.  The book was still rather plain, with the old
> purple cover no picture of Dumbledore and Harry...) and stating
> that it would be released in 106 days.  I assumed from seeing  this
> that many other stores would have similar displays, but I see now
> that I was wrong.  
>  
> Chancie~who's dreaming of the day when the countdown is over and
> the book is FINALLY in hand...
> 
>*****\(@@)/*****

I saw that purple covered one at Borders too but not at Barnes and 
Nobles. What I really want are the bookmarks. During the OoP waiting 
time, I happened in to a Borders to buy a magazine or some such 
thing and they had the OoP bookmark up by the cash register and the 
lady gave me about 10 of them. I saved a couple of them and used the 
rest in my books (and one for my copy of OoP!). I am hoping to do 
the same with HBP. Thanks everyone for the info. I will keep 
checking back with the bookstores especially after the 16th of April 
to see when they show up!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/***** 






From wyllaya1 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  8 20:41:32 2005
From: wyllaya1 at hotmail.com (wyllaya)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:41:32 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36p6r+on47@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36q9s+jn94@eGroups.com>


bboyminn:
>  I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never 
> seen another language where words are pronounce so differently 
than  they are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in 
a word  if notto lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 
 Example:  bour?geois (boor-zhw?) [should sound similar 
to 'gorgeous' but with a 'B' instead of the first 'G', and an odd 
inflection on the second 'G'.] Ok, I can get the odd 'G' 
pronunciation, just like I can get that
'J'=='H' in Spanish (Juan == Hwan or Jesus == Hey-sous), but how on 
 earth does 'eois' become 'wa'. < <


Lol! I never realise you guys, think (we) French have bizarre 
pronunciation, I will try to explain bourgeois. Ok, so I guess you 
already know that our (French)''G'' is your ''J'' and vise versa so 
in bourgeois the ''g'' is suppose to be pronounced like ''gah'' but 
because of the ''E'' right after, we prononce it like your ''J'' ex 
John or Jean, ''OI'' is always prononce ''WA'' the ''S'' in the end 
is silent so ''BOURGEOIS'' is prononce ''BHOORZWA''. 

                                    I did the best I could, 
                                          wyllaya









From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr  8 21:23:56 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:23:56 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36q9s+jn94@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36spc+8aul@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "wyllaya" <wyllaya1 at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> bboyminn:
> >  I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never 
> > seen another language where words are pronounce so differently 
> than  they are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in 
> a word  if notto lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 
>  Example:  bour?geois (boor-zhw?) [should sound similar 
> to 'gorgeous' but with a 'B' instead of the first 'G', and an odd 
> inflection on the second 'G'.] Ok, I can get the odd 'G' 
> pronunciation, just like I can get that
> 'J'='H' in Spanish (Juan = Hwan or Jesus = Hey-sous), but how on 
>  earth does 'eois' become 'wa'. < <
> 
> 
> Lol! I never realise you guys, think (we) French have bizarre 
> pronunciation, I will try to explain bourgeois. Ok, so I guess you 
> already know that our (French)''G'' is your ''J'' and vise versa so 
> in bourgeois the ''g'' is suppose to be pronounced like ''gah'' but 
> because of the ''E'' right after, we prononce it like your ''J'' ex 
> John or Jean, ''OI'' is always prononce ''WA'' the ''S'' in the end 
> is silent so ''BOURGEOIS'' is prononce ''BHOORZWA''. 
> 
>                                     I did the best I could, 
>                                           wyllaya

I have a French last name; it came with the man I married.  It is 
spelled Champoux, but we pronunce it as if it were Champeaux, because 
otherwise it would sound like shampoo.  My hubby has gone by the 
nickname of Shampoo before, and to one of his ex-girlfriends father 
he was known only as "Soapy."

imamommy






From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Apr  8 21:52:06 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:52:06 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36spc+8aul@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d36ue6+a6oe@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> I have a French last name; it came with the man I married.  It is 
> spelled Champoux, but we pronunce it as if it were Champeaux, because 
> otherwise it would sound like shampoo.  My hubby has gone by the 
> nickname of Shampoo before, and to one of his ex-girlfriends father 
> he was known only as "Soapy."
> 
> imamommy

In our city we have a well-known character whose last name is Rheault. 
He gave up a long time ago hoping to hear it pronounced correctly 
anywhere in Texas: is it RE-alt, RALT, ROLT, or what? Now he answers 
only to "Frenchy."
Ms. Tattersall
(BTW, it's ROW, like a boat)







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 23:02:45 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:02:45 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36spc+8aul@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d372il+2251@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:

> 
> I have a French last name....  It is spelled Champoux, but we pronunce
> it as if it were Champeaux, because otherwise it would sound like 
> shampoo.  ...
> 
> imamommy

bboyminn:

OK, I'll bite, if 'Champoux' is close to 'shampoo' (I would have
guessed shampow or shampou) then what does 'Champeaux' sound like?
...or is it 'Champeaux' that sounds like 'Shampoo'?

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn








From wyllaya1 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  8 23:18:41 2005
From: wyllaya1 at hotmail.com (wyllaya)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:18:41 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d372il+2251@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d373gh+3it4@eGroups.com>


 
imamommy <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> > I have a French last name....  It is spelled Champoux, but we 
> > pronunce it as if it were Champeaux, because otherwise it would 
> > sound like shampoo.  ...
 
> bboyminn:
> OK, I'll bite, if 'Champoux' is close to 'shampoo' (I would have
> guessed shampow or shampou) then what does 'Champeaux' sound like?
> ...or is it 'Champeaux' that sounds like 'Shampoo'?


If you want to know what ''champeaux'' sounds like in French you 
begin to say the name '' SHAWN '' but you only say the first syllable, don't say the '' N '' and do you know Edgar Allan Poe? Well, pronounce 'poe' like in his name. So it's  '' SHAWNPO''.  I'm 
sorry imamommy, if your husband says it differently.

"wyllaya"












From kathryn-jones at comcast.net  Fri Apr  8 23:42:04 2005
From: kathryn-jones at comcast.net (jmjklj)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:42:04 -0000
Subject: Barnes and Noble delivery date
Message-ID: <d374sc+a4kj@eGroups.com>



Hello to all!

I saw that Amazon is promising July 16th delivery dates on all its 
orders.  I already ordered mine from Barnes and Noble.  I emailed them 
and asked if they could promise July 16th delivery date and they 
answered that the book would be delivered on OR NEAR the16th.

Question: Did anyone out there order from Barnes and Noble online for 
OOP?  If so, did you get it that day?  I'm seriously considering 
cancelling my order and going with Amazon.

Thanks in advance.

-Kathryn









From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Apr  9 00:46:47 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:46:47 -0000
Subject: Barnes and Noble delivery date
In-Reply-To: <d374sc+a4kj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d378ln+atmo@eGroups.com>


Hi Kathryn,

Is travel time inconvienant to "a store near you?"  Borders, Barnes
and Noble, etc all have midnight release parties planned.  OOtP was a
lot of fun at my local store.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jmjklj" <kathryn-jones at c...>
wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello to all!
> 
> I saw that Amazon is promising July 16th delivery dates on all its 
> orders.  I already ordered mine from Barnes and Noble.  I emailed them 
> and asked if they could promise July 16th delivery date and they 
> answered that the book would be delivered on OR NEAR the16th.
> 
> Question: Did anyone out there order from Barnes and Noble online for 
> OOP?  If so, did you get it that day?  I'm seriously considering 
> cancelling my order and going with Amazon.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Kathryn









From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  9 05:21:33 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:21:33 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d373gh+3it4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d37oot+5vo8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "wyllaya" <wyllaya1 at h...> 
wrote:
> 
>  
> imamommy <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> > > I have a French last name....  It is spelled Champoux, but we 
> > > pronunce it as if it were Champeaux, because otherwise it would 
> > > sound like shampoo.  ...
>  
> > bboyminn:
> > OK, I'll bite, if 'Champoux' is close to 'shampoo' (I would have
> > guessed shampow or shampou) then what does 'Champeaux' sound like?
> > ...or is it 'Champeaux' that sounds like 'Shampoo'?
> 
> 
> If you want to know what ''champeaux'' sounds like in French you 
> begin to say the name '' SHAWN '' but you only say the first 
syllable, don't say the '' N '' and do you know Edgar Allan Poe? 
Well, pronounce 'poe' like in his name. So it's  '' SHAWNPO''.  I'm 
> sorry imamommy, if your husband says it differently.
> 
> "wyllaya"

Pretty close, but we do pronounce the M, so Shawmpo.  I instantly 
weed out all telemarketers who ask for "Mr. or Mrs. Champ-ox."  lol

imamommy






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  9 05:31:23 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:31:23 -0000
Subject: Apparition Point Detroit (was Re: Barnes and Noble delivery date)
In-Reply-To: <d378ln+atmo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d37pbb+t3j1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi Kathryn,
> 
> Is travel time inconvienant to "a store near you?"  Borders, Barnes
> and Noble, etc all have midnight release parties planned.  OOtP was a
> lot of fun at my local store.
> 
> Joe
> 
Ok, so this would be a good time to bring up my idea of Apparition 
points again, in particular one for the Detroit area.  Let me put it 
this way:  Stephen and Sherry, you guys are the only ones I heard 
from, and it was one vote Dearborn, one vote Royal Oak.  Does anyone 
else have any strong opinions?  I'm fine either way; Borders is much 
closer, but Royal Oak is a cool place to hang out.  So please, if 
anyone else out there cares, drop a line 

imamommy






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  9 05:52:09 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:52:09 -0000
Subject: Envisioning Wizarding Robes
Message-ID: <d37qi9+v5uv@eGroups.com>


OK, I am a somewhat talented seamstress, and would love to sew some 
wizarding robes for the book and movie releases this year.  However, 
I am still having trouble envisioning what they look like, so I turn 
to you, my fellow fanatics.

A cloak is fairly simple, as an overcoat, but what goes underneath? 
And I'm not talking movie contamination, what kind of robes would I 
wear?  Also, what would be the difference between school uniform 
robes, dress robes, and everyday Jane Doe wizard robes?  How would 
robes differ between male and female?  I'm really having a hard time 
wrapping my head around this one.  Now, I know there are a million 
ideas out there, but send them along.  Anyone who has made your own, 
and isn't afraid of imitation, please send a picture.  

Also, I am a late-twenties homemaker, so...too old for Hermione, too 
young for McGonagall...could possibly pull off Tonks, or simply 
reinvent myself as a witch.  What is your take on this sort of 
characterization?

I know I'm a little freaky about this stuff, but historically 
accurate costuming is kind of (another) little obsession I have.  
JKR, if you see this, please write "Wizard Wear: Ancient to Modern 
times" and release it like FBAWTFT and QTTA.  

imamommy
Who is in a community theater production of "Bye, Bye Birdie" and 
seriously considered buying vintage 50's undergarments from EBay, 
just to be sure my costumes would be historically correct.






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 07:43:40 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 00:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' & the French - Long
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409074340.83090.qmail@web53904.mail.yahoo.com>

Lynn:
 
In furtherance of our wonderful discussion, I thought I'd share this poem:
 

English Pronunciation!?! 

 


 

If you can pronounce correctly every word in this poem, you will be speaking English better than 90% of the native English speakers in the world.  After trying the verses, a Frenchman said he'd prefer six months of hard labour to reading six lines aloud. Try them yourself. 



Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation (think of Psyche!)
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!

 

 





 

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 07:45:46 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 00:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' & the Canadians - Long
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409074546.95268.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com>


Lynn:

Don't want the Canadians to feel left out.  LOL  

Canadian Imposter

 

As a Canadian, you have to be extra vigilant. There are a lot of impostors out there. If you suspect that someone is falsely trying to pass themselves off as a Canadian, make the following statement - and then carefully note their reaction:

"Last night, I cashed my pogey and went to buy a mickey of C.C. at the beer parlour, but my skidoo got stuck in the muskeg on my way back to the duplex. I was trying to deke out a deer, you see. Damn chinook, melted everything. And then a Mountie snuck up behind me in a ghost car and gave
me an impaired. I was S.O.L., sitting there dressed only in my Stanfields and a touque at the time. And the Mountie, he's all chippy and everything, calling me a "shit disturber" and what not. What could I say, except, "Sorry, EH!"

If the person you are talking to nods sympathetically, they're one of us. If, however, they stare at you with a blank incomprehension, they are not a real Canadian. Have them reported to the authorities at once.

The passage cited above contains no fewer than 19 different Canadianisms.
In order: 

pogey: EI (Employment insurance). Money provided by the government for not working. 

mickey: A small bottle of booze (13 oz) (A Texas mickey, on the other hand, is a ridiculously big bottle of booze, which, despite the name, is still a Canadianism through and through.) 

C.C.: Canadian Club, a brand of rye. Not to be confused with "hockey stick," another kind of Canadian Club. 

beer parlour: Like an ice cream parlour, but for Canadians. 

skidoo: Self-propelled decapitation unit for teenagers, (Snow-Mobiles) 

muskeg: Boggy swampland. 

duplex: A single building divided in half with two sets of inhabitants - each trying to pretend the other doesn't exist while at the same time managing to drive each other crazy; metaphor for Canada's french and English. 

deke: found in the dictionary as a "skillful misdirection." As a noun, it is used most often in exclamatory constructions, such as: "Whadda deke!"  Meaning, "My, what an impressive display of physical dexterity employing misdirection and guile." 

chinook: An unseasonably warm wind that comes over the Rockies and onto the plains, melting snow banks in Calgary but just missing Edmonton, much to the pleasure of Calgarians. 

Mountie: Canadian icon, strong of jaw, red of coat, pure of heart. Always get their man! (See also Pepper spray, uses of.) 

snuck: To have sneaked; to move, past tense, in a sneaky manner; non-restrictive extended semi-gerundial form of "did sneak." (We think.) 

ghost car: An unmarked police car, easily identifiable by its inconspicuousness. 

impaired: A charge of drunk driving. Used both as a noun and as an adjective (the alternative adjectival from of "impaired" being "pissed to the gills").
 S.O.L.: Shit outta luck; in an unfortunate predicament. 

Stanfields: Men's underwear, especially Grandpa-style, white cotton ones with a big elastic waistband and a large superfluous flap in the front and back! 

touque: Canada's official National Head Apparel, with about the same suave sex appeal as a pair of Stanfields 

chippy: Behaviour that is inappropriately aggressive; constantly looking for a reason to find offense; from "chip on one's shoulder."  (See WesternCanada) 

shit disturber: (See Quebec) a troublemaker or provocateur.
According to Katherine Barber, editor in Chief of the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, "shit disturber" is a distinctly Canadian term. (Just remember that Western Canada is chippy and Quebec is a shit disturber, and you will do fine.)

 


 



 

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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 08:49:28 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 01:49:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Have you read 'Bartimaeus Trilogy'?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409084928.78149.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com>

I have read the first two books of the trilogy.  And, while I enjoyed them, they are not books that I would re-read... probably.  I will definitely read the 3rd book whenever it comes out.
 
The boy in the books is a bit how I imagine a young Snape to behave.  I read him similarly... I'm intrigued by him, but don't especially want to be around him.  Something horrible happened to him, has some rightous anger/revenge, is twisted by outside forces... but not irredeemable.  And that's what got me to read the second one.
 
The magic in the books is nothing like HP.
 
If $20 is out of budget, as it is for me for an unknown book, then I encourage you to utilize your local library.  I was on a waiting list for a few weeks, but it was a free read.
 
Hope this is found to be helpful.
 
 
 

Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

Saw this book in the store the other day, and wonder if it was any good?

It's about an 11 year-old magician (not the stage kind) who is learing
magic, and is constantly tormented by his archenemy Samarkand.

It could be fresh and unique or it could be riding on the coattails of
Harry.

Only saw it in hard cover, and my budget it too tight to spring $20
for some light reading.

Also, I've only see two volumes availabe. Is that correct, the third
volume hasn't been written yet?

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn

Volume 1 - The Amulet of Samarkand (author - Jonathan Stroud)
Volume 2 - The Golem's Eye
Volume 3 - ?
		
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 09:08:17 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:08:17 -0000
Subject: Envisioning Wizarding Robes -Thoughts & Links
In-Reply-To: <d37qi9+v5uv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d38621+9j18@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> 
> OK, I am a somewhat talented seamstress, and would love to sew some 
> wizarding robes for the book and movie releases this year.  However, 
> I am still having trouble envisioning what they look like, so I turn 
> to you, my fellow fanatics.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> imamommy


bboyminn:

If you search the internet (google) you can find costume shops that
will have picture of modern interpretations of robes as well as
historically accurate costumes. In addition, you can find website that
 are dedicated to period costumes, some even have hints on how to
construct the clothes.

There are three basic robe styles to the best of my knowledge.

1.) Classic pull-over monks robes with or without hoods.
2.) Fancy pull-over robes, like monks robes, but fancy satin, velvet,
etc... material. Usually a little more flowing
3.) Open front robe - which oddly can be open or closed, very similar
to a bathrobe, floor length or near floor length.

I think the Monk's type robes are probably closer to what the school
robes should be, but they have probably been somewhat modernized to
use more practical and comfortable fabrics. I suspect the school robes
have hoods. 

The Fancy Pull-Over Robes are similar in design to the Monk's Robes
but of course, are made from silk, satin, velvet, or other nice
quality fabric. They probably are a little more full both above and
below the waist; fuller fit, fuller 'skirt'. By contrast, to some
extent, I think the school robes drop straight down from the hips to
the floor. 

Open front are in two types, one that is closed with a sash, and the
other is more open front and close to a fancy full fitting floor
length vest. This would be an over-robe; for a woman, it would be worn
over a matching or complimentary floor-length dress. The vest-robe
could be with or without sleeves. Again, especially because it would
be worn over a robe or dress, it would be very full cut. 

The open front is very similar to what we seen Dumbledore wearing in
the movie scene where they find the pertified cat (if my memory serves
me). The monks robe is closer to what we see Dumbledore wearing in the
Prisoner of Azkaban movie. 

Both the open front and closed front would be similar to what we see
high-society or Royal citizens wearing in China and Japan. Again, it
may be a robe on top of a robe; a sash closed robe covered by a
vest-type robe.

Remember that back in the very ancient good old days heating really
sucked, so people used to dress in layers which account for the robe
over robe situation.

Here is one sample of both an open-front and pull-over costumes for
boy wizards.

http://www.costumesinc.com/c175_g1039/Wizard_Costumes__Sorcerer_Costumes.html?&User_ID=9297621&st=1445&st2=83685746&st3=51902451

Red on the left is a separate hat and robe, note the exaggerated
collar and wide sleeve opening. Center in black and gold is a costume
the is somewhat like a common silk or satin bathrobe with just a trace
or Oriental influence, less exaggerated sleaves and a hood. Far right
in black and red; note the exaggerated hood and sleeves as well as the
 enhancements around the neck. I think a tamer less exaggerated
version of the black and red would be very close to what the School
Robes should look like.

Here is an example of the vest-type over-robe I spoke of, this is
modeled on a man by women wore similar robes.

http://alexanderscostumes.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=75&products_id=609

Here is a link to Monk and Priest robes; Monk is near the bottom.

http://anniescostumes.com/nun.htm

Here is a link that might give you some hints on men's wizard robes. I
suspect you just 'girlie' is up a bit for a witch. Also, note how they
are dressed in layers.

http://www.authenticwardrobe.com/Wizards_Witches/wizards_witches.html


I've been trying to search out group links because I know we've touch
on this in the past, and somewhat recently, but Yahoo search is
tedious at best.

I did manage to find this one from way back in October 2002 -
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 
Subject: Robes and other Clothing
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/45724

Which contains these productive links-
http://www.costumegallery.com/research.htm
http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/topics/clot.htm

For what, it's worth we had a nice long discussion on medieval sword
technology around that time too.

I'm sure there are some more recent links, but it's late and I'm
running out of steam. If I find more, I post them.

Steve/bboyminn







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 09:27:31 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:27:31 -0000
Subject: Envisioning Wizarding Robes -Thoughts & Links
In-Reply-To: <d38621+9j18@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d38763+5o91@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> > 
> > OK, I am a somewhat talented seamstress, and would love to sew
> > some  wizarding robes for the book and movie releases this year.  
> > However, I am still having trouble envisioning what they look 
> > like, so I turn  to you, my fellow fanatics.
> > 
> > ...edited...
> > 
> > imamommy

bboyminn:

Found the more recent link I was looking for. From it I will post the
relevant links here as well as a link to the original discussion.

Date: Thu Nov 11, 2004  2:14 pm
Subject: Re: Muggle World - Wizard Robes
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/117638

which contains these links-

...search Google for 'medieval wizard robes' and you will come across 
an amazing number of links (10,000 actually). Like links to-

Simplicity Sewing Patters - sew your own.
http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=0&id=59&startrow=1

Simplicity example - Adult Wizard Robes
http://www.simplicity.com/design.cfm?designId=10706&design=9753

Simplicity example - Adult Medieval Robe
http://www.simplicity.com/design.cfm?designId=10419&design=5925

Medieval Weapons Arts - Monk's Robe
http://www.mwart.com/xq/ASP/pid.1127/cat.139/qx/product.htm

Order Of Merlin - Harry Potter Costumes
http://www.orderofmerlin.com/generic3.html

Here is one additional link that might be of help, it's one link that
will take you to many links on the subject of costumes-

http://www.costumes.org/

That should go a ways toward getting you started. 
 
Steve/bboyminn







From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sat Apr  9 10:39:34 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 10:39:34 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36p6r+on47@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> wrote:

Joe:
> Yes but...
> 
> Bow can be pronounced two different ways as well. If you tie a bow 
> on a present, it's "b-OO(long O)"  Acknowledging your audience 
> it's "b-au"
> 
> Bough is a homophone to bow (to audience).  I wouldn't think it 
> proper to pronounce bough as "b long o, though that might vary by 
> region or country.  And yet I say the words myself, there seems to 
> be a slightly different infliction between bow and bough - don't 
> know how to explain that one.

Geoff:
I would see no difference in sound between bow (to audience) and bough. 
To my knowledge there is only one pronunciation of bough in UK English.

Another dual pronunciation -ow is row. Row (long o)=to propel a boat, 
to stand items in a line or row (rhyming with bough)=to have a argument.

Mark you, when you start looking at the -ough words or words with -ough-
in them, you open a real can of worms because they fall into several 
different pronunciation groups. Sort the pips out of the following:

bough, slough
cough, enough
dough
fought, ought
lough (the Irish lake)
rough, tough
through

That's seven possibilities. What have I missed?

In passing, have you read the book which I was reading in Reading?
:-)

Have fun.






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 11:33:19 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 04:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409113319.14591.qmail@web53908.mail.yahoo.com>

richard wrote:
 
I do find that one hard =o)
In the war if the Dutch resistance suspected a new recruit
of being a German infiltrator they would swing the conversation
round to the point where the suspect had to pronounce 
Scheveningen. A non-native *never* gets this right and in
that particular case, this would lead to acute lead-poisoning =o/

Lynn:
 
I beg to differ that a non-native speaker *never* gets the "sch" right.  Scheveningen is probably the only word I pronounce correctly in Dutch.  LOL  Of course, I was told that it sounded like I had a Limberg accent.  My husband's parents and stepdad were in the resistance and his stepdad was fond of telling stories about how Germans would try to speak Dutch and never could get it right.  
 
Now if I could only pronounce koken and keuken so that people could understand the difference!  I've also yet to say sailing where someone understands me.  To my ears I'm pronouncing it correctly - to their ears it is gibberish.  LOL
 
Lynn


 

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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sat Apr  9 11:49:51 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:49:51 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <20050409113319.14591.qmail@web53908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPAEPDCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

I know it's rude to mock how people pronounce their own name but do you ever
think ME-shell Norris (from NPR) or EYE-an Zerring (who remembers 90210?)
ever think, as they say their names  ... What am I saying?

cheers

storm (easy to pronounce, easy to mishear)
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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 13:34:03 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 06:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Barnes and Noble delivery date
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409133403.90318.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

My sister ordered OOtP from Amazon and got it the day before it was released.  She is a speed reader and had it almost read by the time I went to stand in line that evening.
 
moonmyyst

jmjklj <kathryn-jones at comcast.net> wrote:


Hello to all!

I saw that Amazon is promising July 16th delivery dates on all its 
orders.  I already ordered mine from Barnes and Noble.  I emailed them 
and asked if they could promise July 16th delivery date and they 
answered that the book would be delivered on OR NEAR the16th.

Question: Did anyone out there order from Barnes and Noble online for 
OOP?  If so, did you get it that day?  I'm seriously considering 
cancelling my order and going with Amazon.

Thanks in advance.

-Kathryn








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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 13:36:28 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Barnes and Noble delivery date
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409133628.34851.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com>

My problem is I have to be up and getting ready for work by 4:30am that morning.  The closest Barnes and Noble is about half an hour away.  It is hard to dissect hearts for 12 hours on almost no sleep (well, no sleep.... I will have to start reading!!)
 
moonmyyst

Joe Bento <joseph at kirtland.com> wrote:

Hi Kathryn,

Is travel time inconvienant to "a store near you?"  Borders, Barnes
and Noble, etc all have midnight release parties planned.  OOtP was a
lot of fun at my local store.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jmjklj" <kathryn-jones at c...>
wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello to all!
> 
> I saw that Amazon is promising July 16th delivery dates on all its 
> orders.  I already ordered mine from Barnes and Noble.  I emailed them 
> and asked if they could promise July 16th delivery date and they 
> answered that the book would be delivered on OR NEAR the16th.
> 
> Question: Did anyone out there order from Barnes and Noble online for 
> OOP?  If so, did you get it that day?  I'm seriously considering 
> cancelling my order and going with Amazon.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Kathryn








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From marycloudt at yahoo.ca  Sat Apr  9 14:06:40 2005
From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:06:40 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <20050408144158.67466.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d38nhg+ph8n@eGroups.com>


Lynn wrote:

>>>When I first heard how I was supposed to pronounce "sch" in 
Dutch, I informed my husband that I was always taught a lady didn't 
make that sound.  For those who have never heard it, think of the 
sound made when people reach for flem in their throats getting ready 
to spit.  That's the sound.  LOL<<<

Dutch is my mother tongue and your description gave me a good 
laugh.  And let's not forget the Dutch "g", which sounds as if 
you're in need of someone performing the Heimlich manoever on you. ;)

That gutteral Dutch "g" (said *way* down the gutteral) is a sound 
similar in a few other languages.  It seems to be one of those 
sounds that you either learn as a child or you never master it, a 
lot like the English "th".  I've heard similar gutteral noises in 
Welsh, Gaelic, Arabic, Persian, and a few other languages I couldn't 
identify.  Also, coming from the southeast Netherlands my 
gutteral "g" is very gentle compared to Dutch northerners.

The Netherlands may be small but there are an astounding number of 
dialects.  I moved to Canada when I was very young so I'm only 
familiar with universal Dutch and my parents' provincial Limburg 
dialect.  If I travel to any neighbouring province I honestly cannot 
understand a word of those local dialects.  It provides hours of 
amusement for some distant relatives who IMO should learn another 
hobby.

Mary Ann, who has fond memories of an anthropology prof teaching the 
class Inuit grammar just for fun






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Apr  9 14:11:13 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:11:13 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' (nothing to do with the French)
In-Reply-To: <d38bd6+2hgd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d38nq1+f9ev@eGroups.com>


Geoff Bannister wrote:

> Mark you, when you start looking at the -ough words or words with -
ough-
> in them, you open a real can of worms because they fall into 
several 
> different pronunciation groups. Sort the pips out of the following:
> 
> bough, slough
> cough, enough
> dough
> fought, ought
> lough (the Irish lake)
> rough, tough
> through
> 
> That's seven possibilities. What have I missed?

thorough, borough
hiccough (also in Lynn's most excellent doggerel)

The sound in 'doughty' is IMO slightly shorter than in 'bough', 
and 'brougham' shorter than in 'through'.  Not sure that's all, 
though.  Anything to rhyme with 'oaf'?

Surely 'enough' goes with 'rough' and 'tough' (and chough).

I have come across the surname Waugh pronounced to rhyme 
with 'law', 'cough', and 'loch'.

David, sitting on a sougha with his feet on a pough.






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Apr  9 14:24:12 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:24:12 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French - Long
In-Reply-To: <20050409074340.83090.qmail@web53904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d38oic+r4ib@eGroups.com>


Lynn wrote:

> English Pronunciation!?! 

A magnificent piece of, um, verse that more or less says it all. 
Do you know who wrote it?

I feel that French is not so hard by comparison.  Now Danish, on the 
other hand...

Technically, of course, the thing we are discussing is not 
pronunciation but spelling.

David, who would pronounce aerie to rhyme with wiry, not canary







From marycloudt at yahoo.ca  Sat Apr  9 14:29:52 2005
From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:29:52 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d37oot+5vo8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d38ot0+7oqc@eGroups.com>


imamommy wrote:

> I instantly weed out all telemarketers who ask for "Mr. or Mrs. 
>Champ-ox."  lol

Heh, I know the feeling.  Cloudt is my maiden name and the "d" is 
silent.  It is a misspelling from the town birth records when my great-
grandfather was born in The Netherlands (it used to be Clout).  In 
that local dialect it was pronounced "Cloot" and my oldest brother 
still uses that pronounciation, but in Canada I always went by Clout 
as it saved me from correcting everyone.  The telemarketers we all 
weeded out were the ones who pronounced the name "Clou-duh-tuh". :D

Mary Ann, now named Jennings, which most people can pronounce :)






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 15:32:17 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 08:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409153217.88192.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>

Mary Ann wrote:
 
And let's not forget the Dutch "g", which sounds as if 
you're in need of someone performing the Heimlich manoever on you. ;)

That gutteral Dutch "g" (said *way* down the gutteral) is a sound 
similar in a few other languages.  It seems to be one of those 
sounds that you either learn as a child or you never master it, a 
lot like the English "th". .... Also, coming from the southeast Netherlands my gutteral "g" is very gentle compared to Dutch northerners.

The Netherlands may be small but there are an astounding number of 
dialects.  I moved to Canada when I was very young so I'm only 
familiar with universal Dutch and my parents' provincial Limburg 
dialect.  If I travel to any neighbouring province I honestly cannot understand a word of those local dialects.  It provides hours of 
amusement for some distant relatives who IMO should learn another 
hobby.

Lynn:
 
Understanding about the different dialects may help you understand my dilemma in learning Dutch.  I had two teachers in "taal school" (language school).  One spoke with a Limberg accent and the other spoke with a Frisesean accent.  The teacher from Friesland taught the words but the one from Limberg administered the tests.  I swore they were speaking two languages.  LOL  I definitely have gone with the Limberg accent with my Dutch - it was much easier on the throat.
 
I commented on the number of accents and was told, indignantly, that Americans have different accents too.  When I pointed out that in the US, one usually had to drive a distance of which the equivalent would bring someone from Holland to another country and not just walking across the street, I received a hearty laugh in reply.
 
I agree about the "th" as well.  My husband can made the sound if he thinks about it and tries.  Usually his "th" sounds like a "d" which does make sense given many of the English spellings of Dutch words, i.e. Netherlands rather than Nederlands, The Hague rather than Den Haag, use the "th" sounds in place of the "d" sound.  While our daughter was raised with both languages, her first spoken language was Dutch and I'm having the dickens of a time getting her to say "th".  
 
Lynn
(who thinks it is not just your relatives who need a new hobby when it comes to laughing at people who try to speak Dutch - also some in Den Helder)


 

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From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Apr  9 15:36:30 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:36:30 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French - Long
In-Reply-To: <20050409074340.83090.qmail@web53904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d38spu+su23@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> wrote:
> Lynn:
>  
> In furtherance of our wonderful discussion, I thought I'd share this
poem:
>  
> 
> English Pronunciation!?! 

Bravo, bravo!  (Clapping enthusiastically!) Absolutely brilliant!

After reading a couple times, I think I'm ready to take on some Vogan*
poetry now!

If that lengthly verse is is from Britain, it should certianly be
shared with our American schools. Many of our high-school students
graduate with barely the ability to read, no less speak properly.

This one will certainly be saved.

*Reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide

Joe







From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Apr  9 15:46:21 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:46:21 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the Canadians - Long
In-Reply-To: <20050409074546.95268.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d38tcd+3umd@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> wrote:
> 
> Lynn:
> 
> Don't want the Canadians to feel left out.  LOL  
> 
> Canadian Imposter

Ironically, as a 10 year veteran of the US Navy, I understood EXACTLY
what you said.  The Navy seems to have adopted many of the words of
your story.

Though I understood, I could not put the proper infliction on
pronunciation.  While Canadians certainly speak English, their dialect
is strictly their own.

I live in Salt Lake City, Utah.  The other day I had to call Comcast's
tech support for some internet troubles.  The person the helped me was
in Winnipeg, Manitoba.  

Joe









From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 15:51:11 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' & the French - Long
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409155111.35033.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com>



David wrote:
 
> English Pronunciation!?! 

Do you know who wrote it?

Lynn:
 
Sorry, I don't know who wrote it.  I received this from someone in Holland after I was joking about how many different meanings one word in Dutch could have.  For example, bank can mean either the place you keep money, a couch or sofa, a park bench, or the grassy slope off a canal or river but that there are about 100 different ways to say rain (just kidding about the 100, it's more like 99 LOL).  When they pointed out that we use "read" as different words, I pointed out that while spelled the same, we pronounce them differently (reed and red) and that's how we know which read we mean.  LOL  
 
Lynn


 

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From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  9 16:16:14 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:16:14 -0000
Subject: Envisioning Wizarding Robes -Thoughts & Links
In-Reply-To: <d38763+5o91@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d38v4e+49j0@eGroups.com>


Thank you for doing all that research I should have been able to do 
myself!!!

These are my favorites, of the patterns I could get readily at my 
local fabric store:

http://simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=11556&design=4940
But would it look too elvish?

http://simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=11556&design=4940

http://simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=10688&design=9531

There's this classic costume patter, which might work for a simple 
school robe:
http://simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=10333&design=5375

http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?
s.item.B4377=x&TI=10013&page=2

http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?
s.item.B4050=x&TI=10013&page=4

For anyone interested in Bellatrix or Narcissa:
http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4625.htm?tab=costumes&page=2

http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4549.htm?tab=costumes&page=2

There's others, but you get the idea.
So, to codify, which of these seem to you all like the witchiest of 
the bunch?  Since we are kind of inventing this culture, or 
interpreting it anyway, as a fandom, we have a lot of freedom, and 
that's part of the fun.  But as such, I would like to know what my 
fellow fans think.

imamommy



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > OK, I am a somewhat talented seamstress, and would love to sew
> > > some  wizarding robes for the book and movie releases this 
year.  
> > > However, I am still having trouble envisioning what they look 
> > > like, so I turn  to you, my fellow fanatics.
> > > 
> > > ...edited...
> > > 
> > > imamommy
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Found the more recent link I was looking for. From it I will post 
the
> relevant links here as well as a link to the original discussion.
> 
> Date: Thu Nov 11, 2004  2:14 pm
> Subject: Re: Muggle World - Wizard Robes
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/117638
> 
> which contains these links-
> 
> ...search Google for 'medieval wizard robes' and you will come 
across 
> an amazing number of links (10,000 actually). Like links to-
> 
> Simplicity Sewing Patters - sew your own.
> http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?
cat=4&type=19&sec=0&id=59&startrow=1
> 
> Simplicity example - Adult Wizard Robes
> http://www.simplicity.com/design.cfm?designId=10706&design=9753
> 
> Simplicity example - Adult Medieval Robe
> http://www.simplicity.com/design.cfm?designId=10419&design=5925
> 
> Medieval Weapons Arts - Monk's Robe
> http://www.mwart.com/xq/ASP/pid.1127/cat.139/qx/product.htm
> 
> Order Of Merlin - Harry Potter Costumes
> http://www.orderofmerlin.com/generic3.html
> 
> Here is one additional link that might be of help, it's one link 
that
> will take you to many links on the subject of costumes-
> 
> http://www.costumes.org/
> 
> That should go a ways toward getting you started. 
>  
> Steve/bboyminn






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sat Apr  9 17:47:50 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:47:50 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <20050409153217.88192.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d394g6+4bvr@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> 
wrote:

> Lynn:
> I agree about the "th" as well.  My husband can made the sound if he 
thinks about it and tries.  Usually his "th" sounds like a "d" which 
does make sense given many of the English spellings of Dutch words, 
i.e. Netherlands rather than Nederlands, The Hague rather than Den 
Haag, use the "th" sounds in place of the "d" sound.  While our 
daughter was raised with both languages, her first spoken language was 
Dutch and I'm having the dickens of a time getting her to say "th".  

Geoff:
Interestingly, I used to teach in South-west London where a lot of the 
families had moved into an overspill estate from Cockney areas and the 
pupils still spoke with what is sometimes jokingly called a "Sarf 
Lunnon" accent.

As a result, I would often get a student replacing a "th" with an "f" 
and saying, for example, "firsty" for "thirsty", "farzend" 
for "thousand", "fick" for "thick" and so on.

I used to say to my pupils that in order to pronounce the words 
properly, I would allow them as a privilege to stick their tongues out 
at me. Because that will get the "th" sound correct; it then only 
remains to know whether to use this unvoiced or voiced and it certainly 
avoids the "z" or "d" which often betrays a continental speaker.







From jillily3g at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 18:55:02 2005
From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 18:55:02 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d394g6+4bvr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d398e6+adp1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Lynn:
> > I agree about the "th" as well.  My husband can made the sound if
he 
> thinks about it and tries.  Usually his "th" sounds like a "d"
which 
> does make sense given many of the English spellings of Dutch words, 
> i.e. Netherlands rather than Nederlands, The Hague rather than Den 
> Haag, use the "th" sounds in place of the "d" sound.  While our 
> daughter was raised with both languages, her first spoken language
was 
> Dutch and I'm having the dickens of a time getting her to say "th".
 
> 
> Geoff:
> Interestingly, I used to teach in South-west London where a lot of
the 
> families had moved into an overspill estate from Cockney areas and
the 
> pupils still spoke with what is sometimes jokingly called a "Sarf 
> Lunnon" accent.
> 
> As a result, I would often get a student replacing a "th" with an
"f" 
> and saying, for example, "firsty" for "thirsty", "farzend" 
> for "thousand", "fick" for "thick" and so on.
> 
> I used to say to my pupils that in order to pronounce the words 
> properly, I would allow them as a privilege to stick their tongues
out 
> at me. Because that will get the "th" sound correct; it then only 
> remains to know whether to use this unvoiced or voiced and it
certainly 
> avoids the "z" or "d" which often betrays a continental speaker.

Beth: My mother's family moved to the U.S. from The Netherlands when
she was three and this discussion has helped me "hear" my
grandmother's voice. She's unwell and in a nursing home right now, so
I thank you for helping me remember.

Regarding the "th" sound: I work as a Kindergarten aide and this year
our school began using the "Jolly Phonics" program, which I understand
comes from England. It uses pictures, songs and motions to help teach
the students the sounds. The "th" sound was funny because the story
was that there were two rude clowns who ran around sticking their
tongues out--one a lot and one just a little bit. As a funny aside,
there was great consternation the day we realized we'd not ordered the
"Americanized" version. The "ar" sound was described as that sound
when you visit the doctor and he checks your throat. We had to
scramble to find the worksheets that had instead some seals barking
"ar, ar, ar" Puts a new spin on "WinGARdium Leviosa" for me. :-)

Beth, who's given up on being annoyed at living in an area where the
towns Rio and Orion are pronounced with a long I and a long E sound,
respectively.






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 19:25:40 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:25:40 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d38nhg+ph8n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d39a7k+78qs@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <marycloudt at y...>
wrote:
>
> ....edited...
> 
> The Netherlands may be small but there are an astounding number of 
> dialects. I moved to Canada when I was very young so I'm only 
> familiar with universal Dutch and my parents' provincial Limburg 
> dialect.  If I travel to any neighbouring province I honestly cannot 
> understand a word of those local dialects.  ...
> 
> Mary Ann

bboyminn:

Well, in a way, the USA has various dialets too. Not exactly dialets
more like a combination of accents, odd speech cadence, and local
slang. I remember when I was in the Army. Basic Training was fine
because most of the guys were from either Texas or the Midwest.
Myself, I was just a young naive inexperienced small town country boy
from the midwest. But then I was assigned to Fort Meade Maryland. Now
I was with a combination of Deep South and mid-East Coast people (NY,
New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland) black people. And I swear I could not
understand a word they said exept when the swore. There was one black
guy whose speech was so 'clipped', when he got excited, even other
black guys couldn't understand him.

Nothing against black people, some of them turn out to be very good
friends. More than anything, just a sign of how UN-worldly I was.

Steve/bboyminn







From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  9 19:44:24 2005
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 15:44:24 -0400
Subject: mugglenet ringtones
Message-ID: <000c01c53d3c$88dd8c40$6b00a8c0@WOODLYN08>

Does anyone out there in cyberland know how to get the ringtones that are listed on mugglenet? I really want one. It will drive all those I hold dear nuts!

I am sort of a cyber-idiot. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Leeann

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 19:58:58 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 12:58:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409195858.58379.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com>

Geoff  wrote:
 
I used to say to my pupils that in order to pronounce the words 
properly, I would allow them as a privilege to stick their tongues out 
at me. Because that will get the "th" sound correct; it then only 
remains to know whether to use this unvoiced or voiced and it certainly 
avoids the "z" or "d" which often betrays a continental speaker.
 
Lynn:
 
I'm cracking up reading this as that's about how I've been getting my daughter to say the 'th'.  I told her saying that is the one occasion where she is allowed to stick out her tongue.  
 
Of course, she's now lost one of her two front teeth with the other one dangerously loose so making the 'th' sound isn't exactly easy for her.  LOL
 


 

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From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Apr  9 20:58:46 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:58:46 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d38nhg+ph8n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d39fm6+pnkq@eGroups.com>


Mary Anne wrote:
> identify.  Also, coming from the southeast Netherlands my 
> gutteral "g" is very gentle compared to Dutch northerners.
> 
I lived in Den Helder (so my 'g' must be horrendous!) for 2 years as a 
young child and my Dad, who is really good at languages and I were 
totally fluent, whereas my Mum could just about get by.  One of the 
neighbours apparently pointed me out to a lady who happened to be 
friendly with my Mum and said "See that little girl, she's got an 
English mother" to which the lady replied "Yes and an English father.  
She's English too".  The neighbour would not believe her apparently!  
We were only back in the UK for about 3 months and my best friend Karin 
rang me and I could no longer understand what she was saying to me.  
It's amazing how quickly you can both learn and then forget a language 
at a young age.  

Karen






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Apr  9 21:02:01 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:02:01 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' (nothing to do with the French)
In-Reply-To: <d38nq1+f9ev@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d39fs9+36d@eGroups.com>


"davewitley" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
<snip>
Anything to rhyme with 'oaf'?

> David, sitting on a sougha with his feet on a pough.

Er - loaf?  Which is what you're doing by the sound of it!!!

Karen






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 21:43:01 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:43:01 -0000
Subject: New Format - Messages - Simple, Summary, Expanded
Message-ID: <d39i95+q9nu@eGroups.com>


What is the default format for message display for you?

It has been Summary for me, but last night I was searching for an old
post and switch to the compact 'Simple' format so I could get more
messages on a page.

Since then it has defaulted to 'Simple' format, and I can't get it
back to defaulting to 'Summary'.

Is this a quirk on my computer, or did everyone experience the same
change?

I actually wouldn't care, BUT Yahoo tracks the 'Read' post separately,
in Summary format, all the old previously read messaged have a color
change indicating I have read them. If I switch to Simple format, they
are all marked UN-Read. Which means that any post I link to from
Simple format, will not show up as Read when I switch back to Summary
format.

So, again, did Yahoo universally switch us all back to Simple as the
default, or is this unique to my computer?

Steve/bboyminn







From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 22:01:12 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 15:01:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050409220112.91338.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com>

Karen  wrote:

I lived in Den Helder (so my 'g' must be horrendous!) for 2 years as a young child and my Dad, who is really good at languages and I were totally fluent, whereas my Mum could just about get by.  One of the 
neighbours apparently pointed me out to a lady who happened to be 
friendly with my Mum and said "See that little girl, she's got an 
English mother" to which the lady replied "Yes and an English father.  
She's English too".  The neighbour would not believe her apparently!  
We were only back in the UK for about 3 months and my best friend Karin 
rang me and I could no longer understand what she was saying to me.  
It's amazing how quickly you can both learn and then forget a language 
at a young age.  

Karen

Lynn:
 
Den Helder is where I lived and your 'g' is probably not a problem.  There were dozens of accents floating around there.  It was an intersting time as some of the people there were encouraging when I spoke Dutch (usually vendors who knew I lived there) but other people would just laugh and comment on how stupid Americans were in not being able to speak a second language.  Really made me want to keep speaking Dutch, let me tell you --- NOT!  LOL  Still, I remember one of the vendors at the Saturday market get on someone's case for laughing at me and he kept encouraging me.
 
Of course, for others it marked you as not native and they'd try to rip you off at the stalls or in the stores.  One store tried to tell me that I had given them 5 euro when I'd given them a 20.  I said I'd wait while they counted out the register to see how much they were over what they should have.  They kept trying to give me a hard time until my husband came in, I told him what happened and he started arguing with them in Dutch.  Apparently when they realized I belonged there they remembered that I had given them the 20 and it was only an honest mistake.  Needless to say, I never shopped there again.  
 
Anyway, when we came here to England our daughter didn't speak English, only Dutch so we went on a pretty intensive English course and she stopped speaking Dutch.  We are now having a hard time getting her to speak Dutch again since "We live in England Mommy and they speak English, not Dutch."  She'll only speak dutch to her Oma.  She still understands it as her daddy keeps speaking to her in Dutch (so do I when I don't want others to know what I'm saying to her) so I'm hoping she start speaking it again when she feels more comfortable.
 
Lynn


 

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Apr  9 22:17:04 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:17:04 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d2sjo7+rrf0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d39k90+ajrf@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." <ajhuflpuf at y...> wrote:
> 
<< If it makes you feel any better... I am in Iraq, and everyone wants
to take their leave in July and there are only so many slots, so I
gave up and applied for May, so that means who knows how long the book
will take to reach me-- and that also means no checking any newsgroups
or web sites that might give any spoilers, for as long too! >>

Oh, how awful! Is there anything we can do to get the book to you
sooner? We could chip in to pay for amazon or b&n to ship it a faster
express way than UPS?






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 22:40:13 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:40:13 -0000
Subject: New Format - Messages - Simple, Summary, Expanded
In-Reply-To: <d39i95+q9nu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d39lkd+70r1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> What is the default format for message display for you?
> 
> It has been Summary for me, but last night I was searching for an 
old post and switch to the compact 'Simple' format so I could get 
more messages on a page.
> 
> Since then it has defaulted to 'Simple' format, and I can't get it
> back to defaulting to 'Summary'.
> 
> Is this a quirk on my computer, or did everyone experience the same
> change?
> 
> I actually wouldn't care, BUT Yahoo tracks the 'Read' post 
separately, in Summary format, all the old previously read messaged 
have a color change indicating I have read them. If I switch to 
Simple format, they are all marked UN-Read. Which means that any 
post I link to from Simple format, will not show up as Read when I 
switch back to Summary format.
> 

Tonks:

Hi Steve. I can switch back and forth. I like the Simple and use 
that all the time, but I switched to Summary and it works. It is 
true that if you don't stay in the same format you will not get the 
highlighting.  Also one of the things that drives me craze it that 
it use to be that if you followed a link at the bottom of a post, 
when you went back to the main list it would show as read. That 
doesn't happen any more and it is driving me nuts. I can't tell you 
how many times that I have read the same message twice.

And to top it all off I got some sort of pop-up survey from Yahoo. 
(In spite of having a pop-up blocker.) The survey was the type that 
is set up so that your options don't really help you, they only help 
Yahoo prove to itself that things are great. NA not being an option 
so you had to give an answer to things you don't use and know 
nothing about how well they work. Geeech..

Tonks_op






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Apr  9 22:47:10 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:47:10 -0000
Subject: Greatness / Language / Costumes
Message-ID: <d39m1e+ok7j@eGroups.com>


Geoff quoted in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26739 :

<< "One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist". >>

I just want to hasten to agree with you, because many people in the
world get outraged that the idea that anyone could possibly disagree
with them about which one is a freedom fighter and which one is a
terrorist.

GREATNESS

K Cawte wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26736 :

<<  I don't really care how honestly he believed he was doing right I
believe he was doing wrong.  The calls to rename him John Paul the
Great just make me want to throw up in disgust >>

But historical characters are called "the Great", like Alexander the
Great and Catherine the Great, because of their impact on history, not
because of their ethics, morals, or goodness. I personally don't have
a problem with anyone saying that Hitler and Stalin were 'great.
Terrible, yes, but also great' (like Voldemort). (Altho' I do have a
problem -- that is, am shocked at myself -- for comparing my notion of
Greatest Evil (that is, Hitler and Stalin) to petty puny Voldemort.) 

K Cawte wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26741 :

<< My point was that standing up for what you believe in does not in
and of itself make you a great person.  I might stand up and say I
believed the moon was made of green cheese and be willing to stick to
that point of view no matter how much I was ridiculed. But no matter
how sincere I was it wouldn't make me great - just an idiot. A
well-intentioned and sincere idiot possible, but an idiot all the
same. >>

This gets into the question of what it means to be 'great'. Two
suggestions that match the late Pope are that it means a person who
had a big impact on history, or a person who displayed talents,
energy, charisma, stubborness far beyond the average human; neither of
those require the great person to be virtuous nor factually accurate. 

Another suggestion is that it means a person of great sincerity and
moral courage, which could mean the person who dedicated their life to
lunar green cheese in your example, depending on how much they
demonstrated their moral courage ('moral courage' = stubbornness plus
willingness to suffer) by how much they suffered for it. I can imagine
an obituary for such a person, saying that it was a pity that he had
lived his life in destitution (and unknown outside the local
neighborhood) as a lunatic street haranguer rather than putting his
natural greatness to serve some more worthy goal than the Moon being
made of green cheese.

Geoff wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26732 :

<<  I believe that God can use weak people, unbelieving people and
flawed people to carry out his purposes. >>

And JKR can use Peter Pettigrew to carry out her purposes, but that
doesn't make Peter great.

I agree with your previous sentence about a person can be great
despite having great flaws, but not that whether a person has a place
in carrying out God's purposes has anything to do with whether that
person is great. 

Is it okay if I switch from 'carrying out God's purposes' to my
previous phrase of 'having an impact on history' to reduce arguments
about what God actually intended? Sometimes very minor, even venial,
people do one act which has a big impact on history, in the 'for want
of a nail, a country was lost' style, like someone who sells a
password to the enemy for a bribe, or someone who just accidentally
overhears conspirators conspiring and reports them. 

In my not so humble opinion, such people are not made great by the
impact of their one action.

LANGUAGE

<< In the war if the Dutch resistance suspected a new recruit of being
a German infiltrator they would swing the conversation round to the
point where the suspect had to pronounce Scheveningen. A non-native
*never* gets this right and in that particular case, this would lead
to acute lead-poisoning =o/ >>

That's in the Bible: shibboleth

Storm wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26868 :

<< do you ever think ME-shell Norris (from NPR) >>

Yes.

Mary Ann wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26874 :

<< Cloudt is my maiden name and the "d" is silent. >>

I used to read your old sn, macloudt, as MacLoudt.

Geoff wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26880 :

<< I used to say to my pupils that in order to pronounce the words
properly, I would allow them as a privilege to stick their tongues out
at me. Because that will get the "th" sound correct; it then only
remains to know whether to use this unvoiced or voiced and it
certainly avoids the "z" or "d" which often betrays a continental
speaker. >>

Or the 'd' betrays a Brooklyn speaker ('dis, dem, doze').

Can you explain voiced and unvoiced in such a way that I understand
it?

My friend Regina is Filipino even tho' she's lived in US since a young
age. She can't say TH; she has a good friend whose use-name is Theo,
but she has been told to call him Ted because the other kept coming
out Teo. So I tried to tell her how I used to be unable to say TH,
even tho' kids kept mocking me and my mother kept scolding me for
saying F instead ('fird' grade and 'brovver') . While I was in third
grade, I somehow learned that TH comes out if I carefully place the
point of my tongue on the bottom of my front teeth (which I guess had
to come in for this to work) while saying F. But Regina claims this
advice doesn't help her because she claims that she also can't say F,
altho' I'm sure I've heard her say F.


COSTUMES

Imamommy wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26879 :

<< These are my favorites, of the patterns I could get readily at my
local fabric store: (snip) which of these seem to you all like the
witchiest of the bunch? >>

If you LOVE one that your local store doesn't have, maybe you can
mail-order or e-order it. 

I vote A BIG NO on
http://simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=10688&design=9531 as
anything witchy except Pansy's dress robes (described only as pink
with ruffles). The title of the costume is Renaissance Dresses but all
those Empire waists (i.e. waistline no lower than the bottom of the
bust) is at most Regency ladies' Renaissance costumes for a fancy
dress ball (I used to be a big consumer of Regency Romances). I say,
use this pattern ONLY for real-life bride and bridesmaid dresses, not
for costumes. Thank you for letting me rant.

To me,
http://simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=11556&design=4940
doesn't look too Elvish, altho it DOES look a bit flat-chested (as a
somewhat talented seamstress, you will measure, and alter if
necessary). It might do for dress robes (altho' boringly dignified
dress robes in the dark fabrics and discreet trims depicted), or for
McGonagall's teaching clothes in less rich sturdy fabric with a
high-necked white shirt underneath, which you might be able to make
out of the V-neck fill-in shown.

To me,
http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/sho
p.cgi?s.item.B4050=x&TI=10013&page=4
is the most wizarding looking of the ones you listed. Altho' I
disagree with Steve bboyminn about hoods. To me, only the cloaks have
hoods, not the robes, not even the student uniform robes. The latter
have plain pointy hats instead.






From kathryn-jones at comcast.net  Sun Apr 10 01:17:55 2005
From: kathryn-jones at comcast.net (jmjklj)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:17:55 -0000
Subject: Barnes and Noble delivery date
In-Reply-To: <d378ln+atmo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d39us3+pano@eGroups.com>


Thanks for the responses!

Joe, as pathetic as this sounds...it's not the distance...it's the 
hour!  I've got two children and they don't care what time I go to 
bed... they're up and running at 5:00 sharp!  Plus, once I get my 
hands on the book I'll be pulling another late night until I finish 
it!

I ordered from Amazon last time and received it the same day.  This 
time I had  a gift certificate from B&N.  Oh, what to do?  What to 
do! I think I would die if it didn't come on the 16th.

I would think they'd be trying to compete with Amazon!

-Kathryn

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi Kathryn,
> 
> Is travel time inconvienant to "a store near you?"  Borders, Barnes
> and Noble, etc all have midnight release parties planned.  OOtP 
was a
> lot of fun at my local store.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jmjklj" <kathryn-
jones at c...>
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hello to all!
> > 
> > I saw that Amazon is promising July 16th delivery dates on all 
its 
> > orders.  I already ordered mine from Barnes and Noble.  I 
emailed them 
> > and asked if they could promise July 16th delivery date and they 
> > answered that the book would be delivered on OR NEAR the16th.
> > 
> > Question: Did anyone out there order from Barnes and Noble 
online for 
> > OOP?  If so, did you get it that day?  I'm seriously considering 
> > cancelling my order and going with Amazon.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > -Kathryn






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sun Apr 10 01:39:57 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:39:57 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Barnes and Noble delivery date
Message-ID: <cd.25ea5bb9.2f89dded@aol.com>

I ordered one book from Amazon and the extended book from Barnes and  Noble.  
It will be interesting to see if they arrive the same day.  Oh  the 
anticipation of it all...
 
 
Shalimar


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 02:21:45 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:21:45 -0400
Subject: My computer is fixed!!!
Message-ID: <1a27384005040919213b085dbe@mail.gmail.com>

Oh my gawd, I'm going to start crying.  My computer is working and the
files weren't destroyed!  I know it's that really 'special' time of
the month but... I'm tearing up.  I've been unable to use this
computer since November of last year because I couldn't afford to fix
it... and it's working now!

Evidently, that freeware anti-virus program, AVG, is better than
Norton and McAfee combined.  The computer guy was working on this
tower for hours and had to swap out drives... but IT'S FIXED!!!  This
is one less worry.  Though, Monday is my mom's divorce trial. {sigh} 
I just hope she gets enough of a settlement.  That's another *big*
worry.

Anyway, the computer guy dropped off the tower at my place around
6pm'ish today and then I went with my mom, brother, and his wife for a
bit of a family dinner for my sister-in-law's birthday (and mine in a
very late sort of way).  I didn't get to test the computer until after
dinner and I was just really... anxious... and nauseous because it was
one of those 'all you can eat' places and I stuffed my face because I
was nervous.  The embarrassing part was I forgot the birthday card.
:-(

Now, I'm relieved and very tired, a *full* stomach makes me sleepy.

Dina



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 10 04:02:06 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 10 Apr 2005 04:02:06 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1113105726.14.46768.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 10, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 10 10:41:43 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:41:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20050410104143.48645.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>

*inches in slowly, tugging hard on the food trolley*

Someone give me a hand with this, please, it's very
heavy and hard for this wee Birthday Elf to move.

Birthday honourees for the past week were Barb, Jenny
from Ravenclaw and Amber. Belated birthday owls can be
sent to this list or directly to Barb at:
blpurdom at yahoo.com, to Jenny at: meboriqua at aol.com and
to Amber at: hp5freak at aol.com

I hope all of you had magical birthdays filled with
much HP goodness.

Happy Birthday, Barb!
Happy Birthday, Jenny!
Happy Birthday, Amber!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who now has her ISP issues
resolved (crosses fingers)

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sun Apr 10 12:55:42 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:55:42 -0000
Subject: Greatness / Language / Costumes
In-Reply-To: <d39m1e+ok7j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3b7oe+1sql@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:

> Can you explain voiced and unvoiced in such a way that I understand
> it?
> 
Geoff:
An unvoiced "th" is in words such as thin, think, thick whereas a 
voiced "th" is in words like the, then, thine. It's similar to things 
such as "v" being a voiced "f".







From marycloudt at yahoo.ca  Sun Apr 10 14:30:30 2005
From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:30:30 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <20050409220112.91338.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3bda6+tom3@eGroups.com>


Lynn wrote about her daughter:

>>>She'll only speak dutch to her Oma.  She still understands it as 
her daddy keeps speaking to her in Dutch (so do I when I don't want 
others to know what I'm saying to her) so I'm hoping she start 
speaking it again when she feels more comfortable.<<<

Perhaps your daughter will understand Dutch but not speak it.  I 
understand my parents' dialect perfectly but I can't speak a word of 
it because I never lived in that area of the country.  Mind you, my 
brothers never lived ther either but one of them can imitate that 
dialect so well that he can fool the locals.  He used to have my 
mother, now deceased, in stitches with his imitations of our 
more "interesting" relatives.

Mary Ann, skiving off housework







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 10 15:02:06 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 10 Apr 2005 15:02:06 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1113145326.11.48844.m21@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 10, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From kkersey at swbell.net  Sun Apr 10 15:06:56 2005
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:06:56 -0000
Subject: New Format - Messages - Simple, Summary, Expanded
In-Reply-To: <d39lkd+70r1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3bfeg+soq1@eGroups.com>


If you take a look at the URL you'll notice that it contains your
options for sort order and view (e.g. simple, summary, or expanded),
even when you move from the message index to viewing a individual
message. So the URL for a message depends on how you got there. 

To further complicate things, if you follow one of the links at the
bottom of a message to other messages in the thread, the URL
mysteriously loses all that option info and just has the message
number.

It's your browser that keeps track of URLs you have recently visited
and colors those links, so if the URL for the link to the message is
different from the one you used when you read the message, it won't
mark it as visted, i.e. read.

I can't remember exactly how Yahoo kept track of expanded vs. index
view before, but I don't think all those options tagged onto the URL
followed when you went to individual messages.

A good while back (couple of years, at least) I used to be able to
view an entire message thread inline - like expanded view - by hacking
an option onto the end of the URL. That's one functionality that I
really missed when it went away and I'm hoping that with all the
mucking about they've been doing they will inadvertently reactivate
that unofficial feature. If any of you figure that out, let me know!
It was great for reading old discussions from the archives.

Karen, but not that Karen, another one. :-)






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 10 20:11:47 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:11:47 -0000
Subject: Never Deny Love
Message-ID: <d3c1a3+43ao@eGroups.com>


Well, Prince Charles and Camilla are finally married, but not without
some controversy and not without some dissent.

A recent poll of the British people indicated --

"The YouGov survey showed 63 per cent of respondents rejected the
former Camilla Parker Bowles as a future queen and 58 per cent would
prefer to see Charles, 56, bypassed as king, with the crown given
directly to his oldest son Prince William."

On a small side note; I wonder if any of those people bothered to poll
William on the idea of becoming King prematurely?

I guess I understand; the life and death of Princess Diana still tugs
at the hearts of us all, and it's difficult to view any woman standing
in her place. However, in this matter, I can only subscribe to the
philosophy of 'Never deny love'. Charles and Camilla have been in love
since the day they met, many many decades ago. But life and
circumstance have conspired against them and kept them apart. Now
Charles is in his 50's and life is winding down, as it does for us
all. Now is a time in life when you realize that there is more behind
you than ahead of you, and you begin to reflect on what is truly
important in life. The love of a lifelong soul mate is certainly one
of those reflections.

I can only speculate, but I don't think Camilla wants anyone to view
her as a Dutchess, or Princess, or Queen. For that matter, I don't
think think she expects Harry and William to view her as a mother. She
simply want the world to realize that she has been, does, and always
will love Charles, and that is the only context in which she wants her
life defined. And, I think that is a fair request.

So, never deny love, it is so very rare and so very fragile, that we
must treasure it when we find it.


On a further note-

If Charles being King can buy William another 10 or 20 years of
freedom and near normalcy, then I say let him have it. Charles will be
an OK King. He's basically as good a guy as can be expected given his
totally disfunctional upbringing. I think Willaim, and heaven forbid,
if needed, Harry, will be an excellent King; probably one of the very
best in modern times. William and Harry both have a great advantage in
that Diana did make a serious effort to make their lives as normal as
possible. That lack of disfunction shows in their quality of character. 

I think people are far too hard on them and far too demanding that
they be some storybook illusion of what a Prince should be. They are
both great guys who have experience hard work, and who have displayed
the same great compassion for the world around them that Diana
displayed. I say this even in the face of a few incidences of grossly
overhyped overblown hysterically exaggerated media reports that when
scaled back to a more realistic proportion show nothing more than that
these are normal boys doing normal boy things.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Apr 10 20:51:36 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:51:36 -0000
Subject: Never Deny Love
In-Reply-To: <d3c1a3+43ao@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3c3ko+dadn@eGroups.com>


"Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> Well, Prince Charles and Camilla are finally married, but not 
without some controversy and not without some dissent.
> 
> A recent poll of the British people indicated --
> 
> "The YouGov survey showed 63 per cent of respondents rejected the
> former Camilla Parker Bowles as a future queen and 58 per cent 
would
> prefer to see Charles, 56, bypassed as king, with the crown given
> directly to his oldest son Prince William."
<snip> 
Karen:  I saw those survey results too.  The funny thing is that I 
don't know a single person who's been asked their 
opinion 'officially' on the subject and I also don't know a single 
person who doesn't think that Charles and Camilla shouldn't have 
married!

Interstingly, tonight on BBC1 was the final part of a long scheduled 
3 part documentary on Windsor Castle that I have watched and tonight 
they had managed to include a bit about yesterday's wedding.  It 
showed footage, not yet seen of Charles and Camilla getting into the 
car to be driven to the airport to go on honeymoon and it showed 
both William and Harry kissing Camilla on both cheeks, in an 
obviously affectionate way.  It also showed them all laughing and 
obviously happy, with the 'boys' sneaking up behind them to dump 
great fistfulls of confettee (sp?) on top of their heads!  I think 
that if her sons can accept that their father loves Camilla and 
welcome her into their family then why should others, who probably 
never even met the late Princess of Wales, feel they have the right 
to object?

Karen








From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 02:28:48 2005
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:28:48 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d39k90+ajrf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3cnd0+ee92@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:

> Oh, how awful! Is there anything we can do to get the book to you
> sooner? We could chip in to pay for amazon or b&n to ship it a faster
> express way than UPS?

Oh, just saw your note now-- thank you for your sympathy and offers.!  
I did preorder from Amazon, and the best they can do is say that some 
regions take up to 21 days.  Now, someone kindly offered to try 
sending it from Germany in case that would be closer and faster.  I 
need a more specific answer from Amazon.  It has occurred to me that I 
could phone my friends at home repeatedly and have them read aloud, or 
something, until my amazon.com book gets here >:-D.  (Maybe I could 
enlist everyone to email me a different chapter, ha ha...)

A.J.






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 04:32:28 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:32:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Alla!
Message-ID: <20050411043229.67061.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>

*hangs the last of the streamers and balloons, and
turns on the strings of lights*

Hey, don't leave yet. I know it's late and some of us
have to work in the morning, but there's still a
birthday to celebrate. Yes, I know I'm cutting it
close, but it's not Monday yet in some parts of the
country. :)

Today's birthday honouree is Alla. Birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to Alla at:
dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com

I hope your day brought everything you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Alla!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 06:46:01 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:46:01 -0000
Subject: Yahoo layout
In-Reply-To: <20050411043229.67061.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3d6f9+vfnc@eGroups.com>


Geoff:

This morning, I seem to have my Yahoo pages on both HPFGU and HPOTC 
alternating between the "new as revised" layout and the "old" layout in 
terms of font style and font size. A distinct feeling of deja vu in 
fact.

Anybody else had the same happening to them?






From PenapartElf at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 11:23:57 2005
From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:23:57 EDT
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
Message-ID: <1c4.2612798f.2f8bb84d@aol.com>

Adi <theadimail at yahoo.co.in>:
I have just arrived in Australia and probably will be staying here
when HBP is published.
So can people from here suggest me whether HBP will be available in
bookstores the same day it is pblished? I'm asking because the shops
pretty much close here by 4.00pm. I don't think I can wait any further
beyond that date; I'm already feverish. Can you also tell me whether
there are any online retailers offering discounts in Sydney area? And
whether there will be any parties for the adult fans of the series?
Help appreciated in advance.
 

Emma <ehawkes at iinet.net.au>:
I don't know about the next one but I know the last one came out
simultaneously across the world. So we in Oz got it slightly ahead
of those in the UK etc as we are a few hours ahead.


Laura  <laura_clapham2002 at yahoo.com.au>:
Hi - not sure whether this is appropriate to be posted but i'll give 
it a go anyway. The books are released simultaneously meaning we all 
get them at the same time (not a few hours earlier or later) which is 
9.01am in Sydney. All book stores in Sydney will have it but if 
you're axtra keen you can pre-pay for your copy at Dymock's now and 
they will guarantee you a copy at that store at 9.01 July 16.



ADMIN reminder: Don't forget, we also have a regional group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-Australia where parties 
can be organized!



From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Mon Apr 11 11:54:58 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:54:58 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <1c4.2612798f.2f8bb84d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPKEAKCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Gleebooks is doing a deal with thier own train etc just like they did last
time .. They are starting at 5am which I think means that's when you get the
book.

I can't organise myself that much though.

Co-op have thier regular discount. Otherwise last time K-mart and so on sold
it very cheaply from the first day.

All depends on where you are in Sydney

storm

-----Original Message-----
From: PenapartElf at aol.com [mailto:PenapartElf at aol.com]
Sent: Monday, 11 April 2005 9:24 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP down under (moved from main list)



Adi <theadimail at yahoo.co.in>:
I have just arrived in Australia and probably will be staying here
when HBP is published.
So can people from here suggest me whether HBP will be available in
bookstores the same day it is pblished? I'm asking because the shops
pretty much close here by 4.00pm. I don't think I can wait any further
beyond that date; I'm already feverish. Can you also tell me whether
there are any online retailers offering discounts in Sydney area? And
whether there will be any parties for the adult fans of the series?
Help appreciated in advance.


Emma <ehawkes at iinet.net.au>:
I don't know about the next one but I know the last one came out
simultaneously across the world. So we in Oz got it slightly ahead
of those in the UK etc as we are a few hours ahead.


Laura  <laura_clapham2002 at yahoo.com.au>:
Hi - not sure whether this is appropriate to be posted but i'll give
it a go anyway. The books are released simultaneously meaning we all
get them at the same time (not a few hours earlier or later) which is
9.01am in Sydney. All book stores in Sydney will have it but if
you're axtra keen you can pre-pay for your copy at Dymock's now and
they will guarantee you a copy at that store at 9.01 July 16.



ADMIN reminder: Don't forget, we also have a regional group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-Australia where parties
can be organized!



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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 11:51:20 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (mumweasley7)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:51:20 -0000
Subject: What is Normal?
Message-ID: <d3dobo+mk4q@eGroups.com>


This morning I received an e-mail from Mike Dooley. If you don't know 
who this author is he wrote a book called "Notes from the universe". 
The one I received today may have some reflection on Harry's future 
so I thought I would share it with everyone.

She was only 4 years old, Mary, but what she said that morning struck 
me like a bolt of lightning. 

"I know where people go when they die," she blurted out.

"Where do they go, princess?"

"They go back to normal."

 Couldn't have said it better myself, Mary. Though I might add, so 
that this nugget isn't misunderstood, that it was from the greatest 
heights of "normal" that they chose to embark upon the greatest 
adventure ever imagined, into the jungles of time and space. Knowing 
that every joy, and pain, no matter how extreme, would add to their 
magnificence, as long as they saw them each through.

Mary - aka Shalimar and mumweasley







From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 12:27:11 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:27:11 -0000
Subject: Reading University
In-Reply-To: <d32sdf+eca5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3dqev+qrs2@eGroups.com>



> 
> > Summoning everyone to Accio in Reading, Berkshire, UK in July 2005 
> > http://www.accio.org.uk
> 
> I am travelling from "oop north" to Reading this afternoon 


I would like to say that I am back from Reading now, and we stopped in 
the very halls of residences that Accio 2005 suggests - Whiteknight 
halls, and we had lectures in Palmer Building and we were very 
impressed.  I would encourage anyone who was wavering about going to 
the conference because of accomodation to not worry.  Reading 
University is set in beautiful grounds, and the facilities and food are 
excellent... and if I can find the cash I may be returning in July ...

Sarah xxx






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 12:35:30 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:35:30 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPKEAKCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <d3dqui+cdtp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> wrote:
> Gleebooks is doing a deal with thier own train etc just like they did 
last time .. They are starting at 5am which I think means that's when 
you get the book.
> 
> Emma <ehawkes at i...>:
> I don't know about the next one but I know the last one came out
> simultaneously across the world. So we in Oz got it slightly ahead
> of those in the UK etc as we are a few hours ahead.
> 
> 
> Laura  <laura_clapham2002 at y...>:
> Hi - not sure whether this is appropriate to be posted but i'll give
> it a go anyway. The books are released simultaneously meaning we all 
get them at the same time (not a few hours earlier or later) which is 
9.01am in Sydney. 

Tonks:
I live in the U.S. and am just curious. You guys don't get it at 
midnight like all the rest of us? I am in the Eastern time zone and we 
have line parties and the bookstores open at midnight just for the 
Harry Potter book. They never do this any other time. Just for the 
release of the HP books. One small town near here deck out the whole 
town to look like Hogwarts and there are witches and wizards swooping 
around everwhere. We dress up and drive over there just for the fun. 
All the stores are converted into one of the stores in Diagon Alley. 
the bank isn't open, but it looks like Gringotts.

Tonks_op






From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 12:36:40 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:36:40 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' or not
In-Reply-To: <d36062+h4qb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3dr0o+osom@eGroups.com>



>  
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
> <spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> > Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch..? 
> >

My party piece is being able to say it correctly - my welsh friend at 
school taught me syllabul by syllabul and I've never forgotten.  It 
doesn't tend to crop up in general conversation, but it always makes my 
son laugh - he's 15 now and it never fails to lighten a moment!!
Sarah xx






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Mon Apr 11 12:50:18 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:50:18 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <d3dqui+cdtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGEANCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Tonks:
I live in the U.S. and am just curious. You guys don't get it at 
midnight like all the rest of us? I am in the Eastern time zone and we 
have line parties and the bookstores open at midnight just for the 
Harry Potter book. They never do this any other time. Just for the 
release of the HP books. One small town near here deck out the whole 
town to look like Hogwarts and there are witches and wizards swooping 
around everwhere. We dress up and drive over there just for the fun. 
All the stores are converted into one of the stores in Diagon Alley. 
the bank isn't open, but it looks like Gringotts.

Tonks_op

storm:
I believe your midnight is our 9am. So it's the same time, just different! 

I thought that it was released at the same moment all over the world. 

cheers

storm

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From heidi at heidi8.com  Mon Apr 11 12:59:58 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:59:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGEANCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
References: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGEANCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <1113224401.13002D3E@bf11.dngr.org>


On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 8:43 am, storm wrote:
>
> I thought that it was released at the same moment all over the world.
>
It isn't, much to the chagrin of those of us in the US, and especially 
those of us who're on the west coast that day, as I will be. It's 
released at midnight UK time in the UK and in al points east. Then when 
it gets to be midnight in North America, it starts to get released at 
midnight in bookstores in that time zone only. So if you're in LA, you 
get it I think 9 hours after the Londoners.

I've asked Scholastic and Raincoast if it could change to midnight 
eastern time and they said the PR value of having the midnight releases, 
combined with the fun kids have in staying up late, is why they do it.

Heidi



From joseph at kirtland.com  Mon Apr 11 13:03:42 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:03:42 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <1113224401.13002D3E@bf11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <d3dsje+s63h@eGroups.com>


So That's it!  So a Londoner could be virtually through with the book 
before those of us in the Western US even have a chance to buy it!

Well, the midnight parties *are* fun!

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <heidi at h...> wrote:
> I've asked Scholastic and Raincoast if it could change to midnight 
> eastern time and they said the PR value of having the midnight 
releases, 
> combined with the fun kids have in staying up late, is why they do 
it.
> 
> Heidi






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Mon Apr 11 13:21:20 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:21:20 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <1113224401.13002D3E@bf11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGEAOCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>



On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 8:43 am, storm wrote:
>
> I thought that it was released at the same moment all over the world.
>
It isn't, much to the chagrin of those of us in the US, and especially
those of us who're on the west coast that day, as I will be. It's
released at midnight UK time in the UK and in al points east. Then when
it gets to be midnight in North America, it starts to get released at
midnight in bookstores in that time zone only. So if you're in LA, you
get it I think 9 hours after the Londoners.

I've asked Scholastic and Raincoast if it could change to midnight
eastern time and they said the PR value of having the midnight releases,
combined with the fun kids have in staying up late, is why they do it.

Heidi

well crikey ... I had no idea. Makes sense though because I don't think they
have 5am releases in WA.

cheers

storm


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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 11 13:30:38 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:30:38 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3cnd0+ee92@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3du5u+ud1@eGroups.com>


A.J.:
> Oh, just saw your note now-- thank you for your sympathy and 
offers.!  
> I did preorder from Amazon, and the best they can do is say that some 
> regions take up to 21 days.  <snip> (Maybe I could 
> enlist everyone to email me a different chapter, ha ha...)


SSSusan:
Now, that could be fun!  I duly volunteer to pound out a chapter via e-
mail, if that's what you end up deciding to do, A.J.!

Siriusly Snapey Susan








From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Apr 11 13:31:09 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:31:09 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <1113224401.13002D3E@bf11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <d3du6t+nqhe@eGroups.com>


Heidi wrote:

> It's 
> released at midnight UK time in the UK and in al points east. Then 
when 
> it gets to be midnight in North America, it starts to get released at 
> midnight in bookstores in that time zone only. So if you're in LA, 
you 
> get it I think 9 hours after the Londoners.

8 hours.  We are all on daylight saving time (except parts of Indiana!) 
together.

David






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 11 14:19:15 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:19:15 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Alla!
Message-ID: <mailman.73.1576049076.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

Yay!  Happy birthday, Alla! I love birthdays, including my own, and I hope yours was terrific!

Sherry


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com
>To: hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com
>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:32:28 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Alla!


>*hangs the last of the streamers and balloons, and
>turns on the strings of lights*

>Hey, don't leave yet.  I know it's late and some of us
>have to work in the morning, but there's still a
>birthday to celebrate.  Yes, I know I'm cutting it
>close, but it's not Monday yet in some parts of the
>country.  :)

>Today's birthday honouree is Alla.  Birthday owls can
>be sent care of this list or directly to Alla at:
>dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com

>I hope your day brought everything you wished for.

>Happy Birthday, Alla!

>Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 14:23:07 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050411142307.44826.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com>

dave wrote:
 
8 hours.  We are all on daylight saving time (except parts of Indiana!) 
together.

Lynn:
 
Don't forget Arizona.  They are now 9 hours behind London.
 
Lynn
(who always ends up calling her mom an hour too early every year because I forget Arizona doesn't change time.)


 

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Apr 11 14:45:50 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:45:50 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <20050411142307.44826.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3e2iu+kh9f@eGroups.com>


Lynn wrote:

> Don't forget Arizona.  They are now 9 hours behind London.

http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/arizona_time_zone.shtml has 8 hours.

Doesn't AZ shift between Mountain and Pacific Time, in effect?

David, who has YMed with most American time zones






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 16:53:35 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050411165335.40374.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>

David  wrote:

Doesn't AZ shift between Mountain and Pacific Time, in effect?

David, who has YMed with most American time zones
 
Lynn:
 
Yep, you're right, they do.  I think I was commenting more on the part of the post that only part of Indiana doesn't change their time.  However, since I'm still on Dutch time, even after living here for almost 2 years, I still think it is now 9 hours.  I keep forgetting I can drop an hour.  LOL
 
Lynn


 

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From joseph at kirtland.com  Mon Apr 11 16:55:29 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:55:29 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <d3e2iu+kh9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3ea61+4nt7@eGroups.com>


Not really... that would be confusing to state it as such.  Arizonia 
never switches their clocks.  They remain on Mountain Standard Time 
(GMT -7) year round. 

I suppose even London is now at GMT +1.  If I recall from my Ham Radio 
hobby, GMT never changes. 

Joe


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> Lynn wrote:
> 
> > Don't forget Arizona.  They are now 9 hours behind London.
> 
> http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/arizona_time_zone.shtml has 8 
hours.
> 
> Doesn't AZ shift between Mountain and Pacific Time, in effect?
> 
> David, who has YMed with most American time zones






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 17:31:10 2005
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:31:10 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3du5u+ud1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3ec8u+cu0a@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:> SSSusan:
> Now, that could be fun!  I duly volunteer to pound out a chapter via 
e-
> mail, if that's what you end up deciding to do, A.J.!

Gee, I'm honored.  That sounds like an offbeat news story: "die-hard 
HP fans clue in deployed soldier new 6." . (I guess scanning each page 
would be easier, but wouldn't that be illegal, even if I ordered a 
copy of the book myself and delete the files after? >;-)

Gratefully, and glad that at least the Mugglenet countdown shows a 
shorter time than our tour here, so it's refreshing to see,

A.J.






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 11 18:34:49 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:34:49 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3ec8u+cu0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3eg09+s59t@eGroups.com>



> Gratefully, and glad that at least the Mugglenet countdown shows a 
> shorter time than our tour here, so it's refreshing to see,
> 
> A.J.

Ah, so there's a chance you might be out of there before July 16?

SSSusan







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 18:57:47 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:57:47 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Alla!
Message-ID: <d3ehbb+26r2@eGroups.com>


Alla:

Heee! Thank you Sherry and Sheryl. Thanks everybody!



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at e...> 
wrote:
> Yay!  Happy birthday, Alla! I love birthdays, including my own, and I 
hope yours was terrific!
> 
> Sherry
> 







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 19:20:34 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:20:34 -0000
Subject: Have you read 'Bartimaeus Trilogy'? -Thanks
In-Reply-To: <20050409084928.78149.qmail@web53302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3eim2+mp9k@eGroups.com>


<--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor
><kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> I have read the first two books of the trilogy.  And, while I 
> enjoyed them, they are not books that I would re-read... probably.  
> I will definitely read the 3rd book whenever it comes out.
>  
> The boy in the books is a bit how I imagine a young Snape to behave. 
> I read him similarly... 
>  
> The magic in the books is nothing like HP.
>  
> ...edited...
>  
> Hope this is found to be helpful.
 
 
> Steve originally wrote:
> 
> Saw this book in the store ...
> 
> It's about an 11 year-old magician (not the stage kind) who is
> learing magic, ...
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Also, I've only see two volumes availabe. Is that correct, the third
> volume hasn't been written yet?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 
> Volume 1 - The Amulet of Samarkand (author - Jonathan Stroud)
> Volume 2 - The Golem's Eye
> Volume 3 - ?


bboyminn:

Thanks for the report. I did manage to find the first book in
paperback at WalMart at a fair price, and in that vain, there is good
news and bad news.

The good new is that I was thoroughly capivated by the book, and read
it straight through in two days. Last night I read Parts 2 & 3
straight through in about 10 hours of laying in bed. So, you can be
sure if I did that, I was truly captivated by the story.

The bad news is, my back is killing me from all that time in bed, and
now I don't have anything to read. I was hoping for a leisurely read
of a couple of chapters a night.

This is definitely a much darker book that the Harry Potter books. The
hero is darker, but at the same time strong, brave and determined
although just like Harry frequenlty misguided, stubborn, and very very
luck. The Wizard World of London and the Wizard Government are also
much darker, more corrupt, and a more treacherous places than the
world of Harry Potter.

Like Rowling, Stroud uses wizards and magical creatures to give the
reader insight into human nature. 

The magic is also very different. In some ways both author have put
clear limits on the extent and nature of magic, none the less, within
those boundaries, the capability is there for dark and terrible things.

For anyone looking for an interesting read, and especially for someone
who does like the fantasy genre, I really recommend this book. Just
don't go into it expecting Harry Potter, and you'll be fine. Despite
being dark, it does have its elements of humor, especially in the
character of Bartimaeus.

So, in summary, I emphasize again that I was thoroughly captived by
the story and couldn't put it down. It's a very interesting twist on
magic, and also a very interesting insight into a world (or at least,
Europe) run by wizards. That is, wizards are the primary government,
and rule both wizards and /commoners/.

For Fan Writers, this is also an excellent example of how an author
can effectively use the point of view of more than one character, and
this author does it to great effect. 

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 20:48:05 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:48:05 -0000
Subject: Have you read 'Bartimaeus Trilogy'? + HP Addiction!
In-Reply-To: <d3eim2+mp9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3enq5+tqhc@eGroups.com>


Thanks to the comments from kemper mentor and steve / bboyminn I 
have ordered the first two of these from my local library.  The 
first one is in stock at another branch and all copies of the 2nd 
are currently on loan, and I know from experience that it could take 
weeks to get hold of it so that's why I haven't bothered ordering 
the 3rd yet.

I don't actually usually read fantasy novels at all, they just 
didn't appeal to me.  I saw the first HP film (sorry!) on TV at 
Christmas and thoroughly enjoyed it so bought the 2nd in the January 
Sales and borrowed the 3rd from Blockbusters.  I then thought that I 
should read the books.  Then my book club were doing a special offer 
and I bought the whole 5 box set for ?5.00!  As I'd seen 1 - 3 I 
started with book 4 and I was so gripped that I read both 4 and 5 in 
a weekend (considering I have a 4 year old son, that's no mean 
feat!)  I then read 1 - 3!  I then read them all again 3 times and I 
am just gagging for book 6!  

I knew I was suffering from some sort of obsession when I was asleep 
dreaming about being at some sort of luxury spa on a tropical island 
type place.  It was totally beautiful and I was about to get stuck 
into the various treats available, when suddenly Draco Malfoy turned 
up and said in an really sneering way "Ooh this is nice, you want to 
make sure no one accidently says "Evanisco".  Ooops" and the whole 
spa just disappeared!!!  I was really cross!!

Anyway I then thought I'd have a look to see if there was anything 
on the internet about it - ROFL!!!

So having fallen completely in love with the HP series, I shall give 
these others a whirl and see if it's just a one-off or whether I do 
acutally like fantasy after all!

Karen






From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 20:54:50 2005
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (songbird3411)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:54:50 -0000
Subject: Time Zones (Was HBP Down Under)
In-Reply-To: <d3ea61+4nt7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3eo6q+s5ph@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> wrote:
 
>> Not really... that would be confusing to state it as such.  Arizonia 
never switches their clocks.  They remain on Mountain Standard Time 
(GMT -7) year round.<<

Mindy replies:

As a native Arizonan, I can provide some clarity here.  True, Arizona 
does not go on Daylight Savings Time.  True, in effect, it means we 
switch from Mountain Time to Pacific Time.  True, in truth, we remain 
on Mountain Standard Time, while the rest of Mountain Time goes on 
Mountain Daylight Time.

So, when I set the clock on my computer, I don't have to change from 
Pacific to Mountain time and back.  The OS has an option 
called "Mountain Standard Time-Arizona" or something similar.  That 
way, while other computers automatically change time for daylight 
savings time, mine does not.

However, in the summer, it does get silly to think of my state on 
Mountain Time.  No one from the East Coast (or anywhere else in world) 
understands why we are different than the rest of Mountain Time.  And 
forget trying to look up TV or radio listings under Mountain Time.  So, 
in the summer, I just treat schedules and such as if I am on Pacific 
Time.  So, when figuring out times for summer release, group all of 
Arizona under the same listing as Los Angeles.

Mindy - who adores not having Daylight Savings Time and thinks the rest 
of the country is crazy.
     







From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 21:19:32 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:19:32 -0000
Subject: Never Deny Love
In-Reply-To: <d3c1a3+43ao@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3epl4+3prp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Well, Prince Charles and Camilla are finally married, but not 
without some controversy and not without some dissent.
> 
>Snip< 
> On a small side note; I wonder if any of those people bothered to 
poll William on the idea of becoming King prematurely?

*****\(@@)/*****

I think making William King at a young age would not be a good 
thing. He is young and still needs to grow emotionally and, through 
age, get a good grounding of what he really wants to do with his 
position in the world. 

Steve bboyminn: 
> I guess I understand; the life and death of Princess Diana still 
tugs at the hearts of us all, and it's difficult to view any woman 
standing in her place. However, in this matter, I can only subscribe 
to the philosophy of 'Never deny love'. Charles and Camilla have 
been in love since the day they met, many many decades ago. But life 
and circumstance have conspired against them and kept them apart. Now
> Charles is in his 50's and life is winding down, as it does for us
> all. Now is a time in life when you realize that there is more 
behind you than ahead of you, and you begin to reflect on what is 
truly important in life. The love of a lifelong soul mate is 
certainly one of those reflections.

*****\(@@)/*****

I think you hit it right on the head there! Poor Diana was a tragedy 
and certainly the stuff great history is made of. I believe one of 
her ancestors, the Duchess of Devonshire, had a similar history of a 
marriage gone wrong, divorce and tragedy. Not to deny Diana 
anything, but I think people have it wrong about Camilla. I have 
gotten the impression that people think Camilla was a dirty down 
husband stealing hussy and I just can't see labeling her as such. We 
sigh and moon over the idea of true love that endures - that two 
people can fall in love in high school and then, due to 
circumstances, have to part and get on with their lives with other 
people. Then, years later, they meet again and find they still love 
each other very much and either end up divorcing spouses to be with 
each other or find each other through some serendipity. We think 
this is so wonderful and ooh and ahh how love endured so long. This 
is exactly the case here. I watched on TV and after having watched 
Charles most of my adult life, I must say this is the first time he 
has truly looked happy and very definitely in love (and with a 50 
something woman to boot!!!!). I can only imagine what his life has 
had to be like, sticking to tradition and form (sort of ala 
Gorminghast!)even to marrying because only certain people are 
suitable even if you don't really love them. Hence the tragedy of 
Diana...and to me this makes her story that much more tragic because 
she was the innocent in all this. Was everyone a victim of 
circumstance and timing and traditions - absolutely. Were people 
guilty - absolutely. But looking at the whole picture, I see people 
struggling to make what they can of their situations and for better 
or worse trying to get through it.
>
Steve bboyminn: 
> I can only speculate, but I don't think Camilla wants anyone to 
view her as a Dutchess, or Princess, or Queen. For that matter, I 
don't think think she expects Harry and William to view her as a 
mother. She simply want the world to realize that she has been, 
does, and always will love Charles, and that is the only context in 
which she wants her life defined. And, I think that is a fair 
request.
> 
> So, never deny love, it is so very rare and so very fragile, that 
we must treasure it when we find it.
> 
*****\(@@)/*****
Ditto in the strongest possible terms!

Steve bboyminn: 
> On a further note-
> 
> If Charles being King can buy William another 10 or 20 years of
> freedom and near normalcy, then I say let him have it. Charles 
will be an OK King. He's basically as good a guy as can be expected 
given his totally disfunctional upbringing. I think Willaim, and 
heaven forbid, if needed, Harry, will be an excellent King; probably 
one of the very best in modern times. William and Harry both have a 
great advantage in that Diana did make a serious effort to make 
their lives as normal as possible. That lack of disfunction shows in 
their quality of character. 

*****\(@@)/*****
I think those two young men are the wonderful legacy that Diana left 
behind. I watched a small sequence when the two were sitting 
together in the church waiting for the others to come in and they 
made me smile seeing them act as two brothers and looking and 
smiling and I am not sure if they even realized they had been filmed 
at that point. I think she was a wonderful influence in their lives 
and her life certainly was not in vain.

Steve bboyminn:
> 
> I think people are far too hard on them and far too demanding that
> they be some storybook illusion of what a Prince should be. They 
are both great guys who have experience hard work, and who have 
displayed the same great compassion for the world around them that 
Diana displayed. I say this even in the face of a few incidences of 
grossly overhyped overblown hysterically exaggerated media reports 
that when scaled back to a more realistic proportion show nothing 
more than that these are normal boys doing normal boy things.
> 
> Just passing it along.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

*****\(@@)/*****

Definitely the media has distorted a lot and poked and prodded where 
they shouldn't. I fault them a lot for creating an image that is not 
reality and making conjectures about circumstances and things that 
are quite frankly mostly imaginary. We don't know how well the 
family actually gets along and quite frankly it probably is none of 
our business. It would be like the media hanging out our doors to 
see whether we kissed our spouse goodbye that day and then reported 
that because we didn't our marriage must be in trouble!!!!  Anything 
for a news story and shame on the press!

About the only reason I watched the what was on TV about the wedding 
was to see the hats and dresses (very nice!) and to finally see a 
man marry the woman he loved!

Dudemom_2000  (a romantic at heart)

*****\(@@)/*****






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 23:38:26 2005
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:38:26 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3eg09+s59t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3f1pi+49c3@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> 
> 
> (AJ)> Gratefully, and glad that at least the Mugglenet countdown 
shows a 
> > shorter time than our tour here, so it's refreshing to see,

>(SS) Ah, so there's a chance you might be out of there before July 16?
> 

No no, sorry sorry-- it means that the HP6 countdown is shorter, so 
instead of thinking, 'only x hundred days to go' in our tour, I can 
see, 'only 99 days to Book 6'  >:) 
sorry...






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 23:42:19 2005
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:42:19 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3eg09+s59t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3f20r+dj7b@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:

> Ah, so there's a chance you might be out of there > 

Now envisioning silly headlines, 'Pentagon expects troops will 
withdraw around publication date of Harry Potter 7'/ "Now that things 
have finally taken off here and we have finished our job, I'm so 
excited to be coming home in time to decompress with the final title 
in the septology," said Private Snuffy from Fort Whatever.'  <:-P

--A.






From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 01:42:42 2005
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HBP down under
Message-ID: <20050412014242.84558.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>

Joe:
> So a Londoner could be virtually through with
> the book before those of us in the Western US
> even have a chance to buy it!

Yup.

Unless I become a speed reader in the next 90 
days, there's no way for me to avoid HBP spoilers 
without quitting HPfGU altogether.

The only way to equalize this is for those who are 
able to buy the books before the rest of us to 
refrain from starting their read until all of us 
have HBP in hand.  And in my case, in order for 
me to chew over this next-to-last HP adventure 
slowly and savor that joy of reading a new book 
for the first time, y'all will have to not just 
wait for me to buy the book but give me quite a 
*big* head start in addition.
  
<sighs at how unlikely this scenario is>
 
Well, maybe if y'all promise to sleep for at 
least 8-9 hours, I'll have a chance to catch up 
by catching only 40 winks in my turn!

Petra
a
n  :)


		
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From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 01:53:45 2005
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: daylight saving
Message-ID: <20050412015345.87926.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>

I read in the papers that the Energy and Commerce 
Committee of the US House of Representatives has 
proposed to extend daylight saving time for two 
more months in order to better conserve energy.  
The House expects to take up the energy bill in a 
few weeks. 

My two knuts: that doesn't make any difference to 
my daily routines since the time change will 
*still* happen twice a year, regardless of when 
those two shifts occur in the year (April/October 
or March/November).

So why not, me thinketh, as someone who's already 
used to this bi-annual-society/self-imposed jetlag.

I suppose that the advice to change the batteries in 
your fire alarms every time we spring forward/fall 
back could need tweaking under this proposal, 
since the batteries will no longer be changed every 
6 months.

If you are really interested in this topic:
*
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/09/MNGCUC5RCV1.DTL
* http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html
* http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/k.html

Petra
a
n  :)


		
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From bumbledore at comcast.net  Tue Apr 12 02:28:31 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:28:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] daylight saving
References: <20050412015345.87926.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c53f07$52049480$41100b18@cauldron1>

well, I think we outta just forget about it, cause now im back to going to
work in the dark again.. where is the energy savings in that?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Petra" <ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] daylight saving


>
> I read in the papers that the Energy and Commerce
> Committee of the US House of Representatives has
> proposed to extend daylight saving time for two
> more months in order to better conserve energy.
> The House expects to take up the energy bill in a
> few weeks.
>
> My two knuts: that doesn't make any difference to
> my daily routines since the time change will
> *still* happen twice a year, regardless of when
> those two shifts occur in the year (April/October
> or March/November).
>
> So why not, me thinketh, as someone who's already
> used to this bi-annual-society/self-imposed jetlag.
>
> I suppose that the advice to change the batteries in
> your fire alarms every time we spring forward/fall
> back could need tweaking under this proposal,
> since the batteries will no longer be changed every
> 6 months.
>
> If you are really interested in this topic:
> *
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/09/MNGCUC5RCV1.DTL
> * http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html
> * http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/k.html
>
> Petra
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> n  :)
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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 12 02:29:27 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:29:27 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] daylight saving
Message-ID: <mailman.74.1576049076.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

I heard this too, and I hate the idea! I heard an interview with the congressman who's heading up this thing, and he was talking about how much more people enjoy the evenings when it's light and all that.  He said people don't like it to be light with the birds.  Well, I'm a morning person, and I do like it to be light with the birds.  I can still see early morning light, a little, when I'm outside, though after sunset, I can't really tell the difference between twilight and dark.  But I'm always up early, whatever the clocks say and to have the mornings be dark and dreary longer into the year is depressing.  I hope the bill doesn't pass.  I think there are actually quite a few daylight saving time dislikers out there.  LOL.  What a word!  Anyway, just my quarter or so of a cent on the subject.  Besides.  That means going longer before getting back the hour of sleep they steal from me to turn the clocks ahead.  Guess I should move to Arizona.


Sherry


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Petra <ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] daylight saving


>I read in the papers that the Energy and Commerce
>Committee of the US House of Representatives has
>proposed to extend daylight saving time for two
>more months in order to better conserve energy.
>The House expects to take up the energy bill in a
>few weeks.

>My two knuts: that doesn't make any difference to
>my daily routines since the time change will
>*still* happen twice a year, regardless of when
>those two shifts occur in the year (April/October
>or March/November).

>So why not, me thinketh, as someone who's already
>used to this bi-annual-society/self-imposed jetlag.

>I suppose that the advice to change the batteries in
>your fire alarms every time we spring forward/fall
>back could need tweaking under this proposal,
>since the batteries will no longer be changed every
>6 months.

>If you are really interested in this topic:
>*
>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/09/MNGCUC5RCV1.DTL
>* http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html
>* http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/k.html

>Petra
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>n  :)



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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 03:56:18 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:56:18 -0000
Subject: daylight saving
Message-ID: <d3fgt2+6nsc@eGroups.com>


I think it should just stay the way it is. It is nice to get the extra 
hour in the evening, but when late fall comes you really can't tell the 
difference and March is too early. I like the gloom and doom feel to 
March. I don't want to come out of my cave until April, and I want to 
go back into it after Halloween... or whenever it is that we do it now.

Tonks






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 04:33:24 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:33:24 -0400
Subject: I'm sickened by the US legal system
Message-ID: <1a27384005041121333bfba03f@mail.gmail.com>

Over a decade ago, my dad won a lawsuit against a law firm and was
awarded $750,000... but 50% was split between two lawyers defending
him.  That large cut of the settlement was nauseating but the topper:
My dad is claiming he's so poor (only has $100,000 left now and his
house is paid off) that he can't afford my mom's alimony and had to
ride the bus to get to yesterday's trial.

What makes it worse is I heard secondhand the judge most likely fell
for the 'pity party'.  My dad, as much as I keep repeating 'he's my
dad, my blood', does some stuff... that really *disappoints* me.

The trial's outcome isn't known yet.  I'm not religious but I'm really
hoping for a miracle.

Dina



From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Tue Apr 12 10:34:33 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:34:33 +1000
Subject: HP Addiction!
In-Reply-To: <d3enq5+tqhc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPMEBLCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Karen reported her dream ...
I knew I was suffering from some sort of obsession when I was asleep
dreaming about being at some sort of luxury spa on a tropical island
type place.  It was totally beautiful and I was about to get stuck
into the various treats available, when suddenly Draco Malfoy turned
up and said in an really sneering way "Ooh this is nice, you want to
make sure no one accidently says "Evanisco".  Ooops" and the whole
spa just disappeared!!!  I was really cross!!

----------------------------
Excellent dream! I'm very impressed. I would love a dream like that.

storm, whose sleep has been disturbed by her bloody cattle dog who screams
wildly in her (miss maddy) dreams. Then we both wake up. grrrr
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Apr 12 10:31:10 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:31:10 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3f20r+dj7b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3g81e+dbur@eGroups.com>


A.J. wrote:

> Now envisioning silly headlines, 'Pentagon expects troops will 
> withdraw around publication date of Harry Potter 7'/ "Now that 
things 
> have finally taken off here and we have finished our job, I'm so 
> excited to be coming home in time to decompress with the final title 
> in the septology," said Private Snuffy from Fort Whatever.'  <:-P

Oh, I hope we don't have to wait 50 years for HP7.

Seriously, I'm a bit puzzled.  Surely the least the DoD can do is 
maintain morale by making sure the troops get what they want, when 
they want, within reason?  Given that the books are physically producd 
and distributed before the actual publication date, I don't see why 
you should have to wait more than a few days (for intra-theatre 
distribution) at the most.

David






From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 12 13:11:26 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:11:26 -0000
Subject: daylight saving
In-Reply-To: <20050412015345.87926.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3ghdu+bs9p@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra <ms_petra_pan at y...> 
wrote:
> I read in the papers that the Energy and Commerce 
> Committee of the US House of Representatives has 
> proposed to extend daylight saving time for two 
> more months in order to better conserve energy.  
> The House expects to take up the energy bill in a 
> few weeks. 

Jen: LOL! I like the 'better conserve energy' part of this 
statement. This could be code for "more money for business 
manufacturers." I heard an interesting report on National Public 
Radio from the author of a book on the history of Daylight Savings. 
He said in the 80's when the date was moved from end of April to the 
beginning, it was primarily pushed by business manufacturers who 
would benefit from extra daylight such as sporting goods, 
backyard/lawn equipment, boating, etc. 

I wonder who might benefit from an extra two months? 

Jen







From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Apr 12 13:20:37 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:20:37 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
References: <d3g81e+dbur@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <425BCB25.000001.01564@KATHRYN>

 David

 

 
Seriously, I'm a bit puzzled.  Surely the least the DoD can do is
maintain morale by making sure the troops get what they want, when
they want, within reason?  Given that the books are physically producd
and distributed before the actual publication date, I don't see why
you should have to wait more than a few days (for intra-theatre
distribution) at the most.
 

K

Wow! If you think that's a possibility then the US DoD is a *lot* more
competent than the MoD. They have trouble getting the right equipment to our
soldiers (and I'm talking armour and stuff here not trivial stuff) so
anything else would be a miracle - mind you our boys *were* all borrowing
from the Americans till their stuff turned up, so you may be right!

K 

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Apr 12 13:19:55 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:19:55 -0000
Subject: daylight saving
In-Reply-To: <20050412015345.87926.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3ghtr+54uj@eGroups.com>


Petra wrote:
> I read in the papers that the Energy and Commerce 
> Committee of the US House of Representatives has 
> proposed to extend daylight saving time for two 
> more months in order to better conserve energy.  
> The House expects to take up the energy bill in a 
> few weeks. 
>

I don't get it.  It seems pretty clear that this is decided on a state-
by-state basis, so what's it got to do with Congress?

David, suddenly sounding like he lives with a gun in a log-cabin in 
Montana






From heidi at heidi8.com  Tue Apr 12 13:23:02 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: daylight saving
In-Reply-To: <d3ghtr+54uj@eGroups.com>
References: <d3ghtr+54uj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1113312184.A9EFD2C@dg11.dngr.org>


>
> Petra wrote:
>>  I read in the papers that the Energy and Commerce
>>  Committee of the US House of Representatives has
>>  proposed to extend daylight saving time for two
>>  more months in order to better conserve energy.
>>  The House expects to take up the energy bill in a
>>  few weeks.
>>
Dave asked:
>
> I don't get it.  It seems pretty clear that this is decided on a state-
> by-state basis, so what's it got to do with Congress?

As I remember it, Congress sets the date on which the change happens but 
each state - or county, I think - can decide if they want to make the 
change or not. Plus, congress's passage applies to federalized things 
like the airlines.



From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 12 13:39:30 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:39:30 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3f1pi+49c3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3gj2i+jaep@eGroups.com>


> > (AJ)> Gratefully, and glad that at least the Mugglenet countdown 
> shows a 
> > > shorter time than our tour here, so it's refreshing to see,
 
> >(SS) Ah, so there's a chance you might be out of there before July 
16?

AJ:
> No no, sorry sorry-- it means that the HP6 countdown is shorter, so 
> instead of thinking, 'only x hundred days to go' in our tour, I can 
> see, 'only 99 days to Book 6'  >:) 
> sorry...


SSSusan:
D'oh!  NOW I get it. 






From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 13:55:51 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:55:51 -0000
Subject: daylight saving
In-Reply-To: <20050412015345.87926.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3gk17+ehrf@eGroups.com>


SNIP
> I read in the papers that the Energy and Commerce 
> Committee of the US House of Representatives has 
> proposed to extend daylight saving time for two 
> more months in order to better conserve energy.  
> The House expects to take up the energy bill in a 
> few weeks. 
> 
> My two knuts: that doesn't make any difference to 
> my daily routines since the time change will 
> *still* happen twice a year, regardless of when 
> those two shifts occur in the year (April/October 
> or March/November).

I heard about this on the radio news last week too. I don't like 
the time change so early in the year as it is.  I'm still trying
to recover from it sleepwise.  But I guess it could be worse.  I don't
know if they still do this, but I know at one time in Alberta, 
Canada, that whole province used double daylight saving time where
you move the clock ahead two hours instead of just one.
Sharon






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 15:18:48 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:18:48 -0000
Subject: HP Addiction!
In-Reply-To: <d3enq5+tqhc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3goso+9a4s@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker" 
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:
>  
> I knew I was suffering from some sort of obsession when I was 
asleep dreaming about being at some sort of luxury spa on a tropical 
island type place.  It was totally beautiful and I was about to get 
stuck into the various treats available, when suddenly Draco Malfoy 
turned up and said in an really sneering way "Ooh this is nice, you 
want to make sure no one accidently says "Evanisco".  Ooops" and the 
whole spa just disappeared!!!  I was really cross!!
> 
> Anyway I then thought I'd have a look to see if there was anything 
> on the internet about it - ROFL!!!

Tonk here:

I too do not normally read fiction. Too many books, too little time 
in one lifetime, so I usually only read non-fiction. And I do read a 
lot. But when two of my *elderly* friends asked for the 1st book as 
a Christmas present a few years ago and I also heard that it was 
banned in Mississippi or some such place, I went to the library and 
got a copy to see what all the hubbub was about. Since then I too 
have been an obsessed, card carrying member of Harry Potter Addicts 
Anonymous.  But unlike other programs we don't try to stop, we want 
more, more!! 

Don't worry Karen, as a member of HPAA I can tell you that dreams 
about the HP books and movies are normal.  I rather enjoy the dreams 
about Snape myself.  

Tonks_op







From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 21:46:40 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm sickened by the US legal system
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050412214640.37803.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

That sounds like the legal battle I fought for years for child support.  My ex-husband was $30,000 behind.  I was working 3 jobs and he was riding around in a new truck and a big nice 5th wheel.  I was basically told that I ought to be "more understanding".  Well, while we were sitting in the dark because we could not pay the power bill, we got to be "very understanding"!!!
 
moonmyyst

Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
Over a decade ago, my dad won a lawsuit against a law firm and was
awarded $750,000... but 50% was split between two lawyers defending
him.  That large cut of the settlement was nauseating but the topper:
My dad is claiming he's so poor (only has $100,000 left now and his
house is paid off) that he can't afford my mom's alimony and had to
ride the bus to get to yesterday's trial.

What makes it worse is I heard secondhand the judge most likely fell
for the 'pity party'.  My dad, as much as I keep repeating 'he's my
dad, my blood', does some stuff... that really *disappoints* me.

The trial's outcome isn't known yet.  I'm not religious but I'm really
hoping for a miracle.

Dina


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 22:59:51 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:59:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Lee!
Message-ID: <20050412225951.3630.qmail@web41124.mail.yahoo.com>

*surveys the decorations with satisfaction and wanders
out to find the food trolley*

Yes, it's time for yet another party!

Today's birthday honouree is Lee Storm. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to Lee at:
n2fgc at arrl.net

I hope your day was filled with fun, magic and the
company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Lee!

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Apr 13 01:07:16 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:07:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Lee!
In-Reply-To: <20050412225951.3630.qmail@web41124.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOGEOGDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Our Birthday Elf wrote]:
|
| I hope your day was filled with fun, magic and the
| company of good friends.
|
| Happy Birthday, Lee!

[Lee]:
Tankya, tankya!  Now, the only thing I need is......Chocolate!!! <Grin>

And now, I'm off to sing with Art and the Barbershop Chorus.  (I told Art I
wanted a full Barbershop style Happy Birthday.) :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Apr 13 02:02:12 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:02:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <d2dnk0+6s1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEOGDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

It's not just swearing, IMHO, but things like dysfunctionality, sexual
content (both explicit and inuendo), and often a slew of completely
unlikeable loser characters...that's what so many shows offer today.  I just
don't bother watching TV any more.  I want:
Characters I can like and to whom I can relate;
Plots which are engaging and, even if they tackle tough issues, do it
tastefully;
Language which is expressive and free of explitives, etc.

Call me old-fashioned, but that's what I like.
So, guess I just won't be watching much TV for some time. <Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 13 03:34:54 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:34:54 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOOEOGDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <425C935E.000001.01816@KATHRYN>

 Lee :-)
 I want:
Characters I can like and to whom I can relate;
Plots which are engaging and, even if they tackle tough issues, do it
tastefully;
Language which is expressive and free of explitives, etc.
 
Call me old-fashioned, but that's what I like.
So, guess I just won't be watching much TV for some time. <Grin>
 
K

I know the feeling - do you remember when you used to be able to get in in
the evening and veg out in front of the tv if you felt like it? Rather than
knowing that there is *one* good show on all night, if you're lucky. I'm
pretty much down to the CSIs, NCIS and Without a Trace (and the latest
season of WaT isn't as good as the earlier ones in my opinion, and don't
even start me on the way the CSI writers seem to have decided they're
working on a soap opera not a crime drama) and of those the only one I would
say consistently lives up to those criteria (especially the first two) is
NCIS, and *maybe* CSI NY, being in the UK I haven't seen enough of that to
judge yet. 

And what happens if by chance something good does turn up - they cancel it!
Sorry - bit of frustration there since I'm indulging in some reruns and
rediscovering Magnificent Seven and wondering if Michal Biehn has some kind
of curse on him, because what was my other recent favourite? Hawaii. *sigh*

And on the off chance the writers are reading this I'll overlook the dip in
quality in WaT if you let Martin take his shirt off more often and I'll
refrain from yelling at the TV every time the CSI guys contemplate sleeping
with their colleagues of Warrick and Nick could strip off more often too ...
 (Just because I have certain criteria that I think you should meet, doesn't
mean I can't be bribed <g>)

What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all given up in
disgust.

K

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Apr 13 03:46:29 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:46:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <425C935E.000001.01816@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEOHDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Kathryn asks]:
| What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all given up in
| disgust.

Stargate SG1, Twilight Zone, stuff on Animal planet or some medical
documentaries, and for a bit deeper stuff, a show called "Strong Medicine."

Sometimes I go back to Star Trek TNG reruns and, when things are really
washed out on TV, I break out the original Battlestar Galactica DVDs and
have me a good time, along with the HP DVDs and other good stuff like that.

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 07:48:28 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:48:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050413074828.63276.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com>

Kathryn  wrote:
 
What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all given up in disgust.
 
Lynn:
 
We like Jonathan Creek, Midsummer Murders, A Touch of Frost, Instpector Morse, Poirot, Agatha Christie's Miss Marple, well you get the general idea.  For us, these shows are new and not old reruns.  LOL  We also watch the CSI shows.  Considering I had such low expections of the CSI:Miami one (not a big David Caruso fan), it has turned out to be not too bad.  So far I like the CIS:NY but then I like Gary Sinise.  
 
We also watch a bit on the Sci-Fi Channel.  We'll watch The Pretender for those shows we haven't seen yet, we're watching Contact, the show which is sort of a continuation of Babylon 5 and we'll be watching the Babylon 5 movies over the next few weeks.  John Doe is back on and we're trying to watch those shows we missed.
 
We also watch a lot of the Discovery/History/Biography channel stuff, well at least if there is something new we want to see.  Lately it seems as if everything is a rerun - for the 10th time.
 
And, lets not forget about the kids channels for my daughter.  We watch Dora the Explorer when she gets home and then we'll watch either a DVD or Scooby Doo before she goes to bed if she's done her reading.  
 
We like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and will sometimes watch American Idol.  The problem is the Paula Abdul is so annoying we don't like to watch anymore.   We did follow X-Factor as Simon Cowell just cracks us up.  We were glad Steve won and we're looking forward to his new album coming out next month.  I've been promised it for Mother's Day (the American/Dutch one LOL).
 
My husband likes the poker shows but those are being rerun for the upteenth time as well.  Takeshi's castle cracks us up and we like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.
 
So while there are shows we like, it does seem like it's about one show a night - if you are lucky.


 

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 10:42:45 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:42:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching TV (was: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050413104245.24862.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>

Kathryn asked:
> 
> What is every one else round here watching? Or have
> you all given up in
> disgust.
> 
Sheryll:

I don't always find a lot of time for watching TV
programs. I work at a video store and generally have
about 10 upcoming new releases to watch each week, so
it's a lot of movie watching here. Must stay informed
for the customers. Such a hardship. <vbg>

I do get in a bit of TV, mostly CSI, CSI:NY, Law &
Order: SVU, Iron Chef, and a smattering of reality
shows (Amazing Race, Survivor). Andy like the Comedy
Network (King of the Hill, Kids in the Hall reruns,
Just for Laughs, Kevin Spencer) and an occasional
visit to Teletoon (Futurama, Family Guy). If something
good is on, we'll tune into A&E, The Learning Channel,
Discovery Civilization or the History Channel. Though
the programming is often very repetitive, my favourite
is the Documentary Channel and I'll try and fit in
whatever new ones they have.

Sheryll, who apparently watches more TV than she
thought :)

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From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Wed Apr 13 12:41:55 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:41:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEOHDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <008501c54026$2d662150$dd00000a@kelsy>


----- Original Message ----- 
>
> [Kathryn asks]:
>  What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all given up in
>  disgust.

This is what I watch regularly Strong Medicine which is based on a real 
clinic in South Philadelphia, Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, Discovery Channel, 
History Channel, BBC America (loved watching Changing Rooms for Lawrence.), 
and for the kids there is Dora the Explorer, The Wiggles, Sesame Street, 
Stanley, Play With Me Sesame, BoohBah, Blue's Clues, and a few others.





From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Apr 13 12:53:03 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:53:03 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?  was Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <008501c54026$2d662150$dd00000a@kelsy>
Message-ID: <d3j4nf+psdd@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kelsy" <hpfans at m...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >
> > [Kathryn asks]:
> >  What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all 
given up in
> >  disgust.
> 
I'm delighted that the new series of William and Mary is starting 
this week and will be watching avidly.  I also like programs like 
the Simon Scharma history documentaries and similar programs.  I 
also like A Question of Sport and Charmed (although I have to admit 
that I initially started watching that for Julian McMahon, but have 
stayed with it after his departure!).  Eagerly awaited with almost 
as much expectation as HBP is this summer's Ashes cricket matches 
against the Aussies, although I expect to be disappointed at the end 
of the Ashes, but not at the end of HBP!!

Karen






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 13 13:25:17 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:25:17 -0000
Subject: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <425C935E.000001.01816@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d3j6jt+e9n3@eGroups.com>


> What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all given up 
in
> disgust.
> 

SSSusan:
I make time for *one* show only each week:  Alias.  It's a bit silly in 
the sense that you have to suspend disbelief, but I just love it.  The 
Marshall Flinkman character is a STITCH.

The other show I wish I'd gotten into the routine of remembering to 
watch is Joan of Arcadia.  And *if* my kids went to bed earlier than 
they do, I'd also be watching Lost, as well.  

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 13 13:30:41 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:30:41 -0000
Subject: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <20050413074828.63276.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3j6u1+guq8@eGroups.com>


> And, lets not forget about the kids channels for my daughter.

SSSusan:
Ah, I *did* forget the kids. :-)  It's a lot of Nickelodeon:  
Spongebob, Fairly Odd Parents, Jimmy Neutron (which I rather enjoy), 
Josh & Drake and Unfabulous.  And as much Animal Planet as my son will 
tolerate his sister watching.

Beyond that, it's lots of movies on tape & DVD and lots of sports.  My 
husband is in heaven that we now get Speedvision and he can watch F1 in 
the wee hours of Sunday mornings, and we watch Cubs baseball, college 
basketball, NFL football, golf, NASCAR, tennis, you get the picture.

Siriusly Snapey Susan









From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 13:37:30 2005
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:37:30 -0000
Subject: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <425C935E.000001.01816@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d3j7aq+kuqk@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
> 
> What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all given up 
in
> disgust.


I just love "Arrested Development"!  If you were a fan of "Seinfeld", 
or enjoy Larry David's "Curb Your Enthusiasm", this is the show for 
you.  It's smart and zany, with likeable characters in fall-on-the-
floor-laughing situations.  It's on Fox on Sunday nights, opposite the 
last half of "Cold Case" which is also a favorite of mine!  But I solve 
that by taping one or the other.

"Medium" is another show I enjoy watching.  It's a mystery/crime show 
featuring a young wife and mother who communicates with the dead.  It 
reminds me a little of the early "X-Files" (before that became all 
about the alien storyline).

--snazzzybird






From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 13 13:44:59 2005
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:44:59 -0000
Subject: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <425C935E.000001.01816@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d3j7or+q6c3@eGroups.com>


> 
> What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all given up 
>in disgust.

I'm Israeli, but watch almost exclusively (like most people here, I 
think) American or British TV. 

I can't watch anymore shows like Law and Order, Strong Medicine and 
such. I find them sensationalist, manipulative and insincere - and 
inflated with self importance <apologies to the fans>. 

I've become a huge Joss Whedon (Buffy/Angel) fan recently, and mostly 
watch and rewatch my Buffy and Angel DVDs. I've watched Firefly and 
loved it, by the way - highly recommended.

I prefer watching tv series to movies, so have tried several - I got 
somewhat addicted to Alias, but got tired of it at some point. The 
storyline is just too preposterous and I've never been able to take 
conspiracy theories seriously anyway. 
 
I've tried Dead Like Me and liked it - but not enough to continue 
watching. I don't have a problem with the language, though. 
In fact, the shows I like the most tend to be HBO. Six Feet Under is 
amazing and I'm waiting for the Video library to get season 3. Another 
strong language favorite of mine is Queer as Folk (not much sexual 
innuendo there - all very explicit!). 

I'm not sure it's produced any more - but did anybody else find the 
Chris Isaac Show surprisingly good? 

I've tried Babylon 5 but couldn't go beyond the '50s-looking sets and 
wooden acting. I've even tried to skip to season 2 and it was better - 
the sets look like they're from the '70s. Should I persevere (move to 
season 3)?


Naama, DVD addict







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 13:55:45 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:55:45 -0000
Subject: What do we watch on TV. Was:Re: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <d3j6jt+e9n3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3j8d1+429g@eGroups.com>


> SSSusan:
<SNIP>

> The other show I wish I'd gotten into the routine of remembering to 
> watch is Joan of Arcadia.  And *if* my kids went to bed earlier
than 
> they do, I'd also be watching Lost, as well.  

Alla:

I love Joan of Arcadia too, Susan and I wish I would watch it regu-
larly. I think the actress who plays Joan is very talented and I also 
like non-preachy way the show touches religion, not hits you over the 
head with it. Yes, I think I like the writing for this show in
general.









From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 14:10:41 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching TV (was: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050413141041.26517.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wish I weren't such a TV junkie.

I watch CSI and CSI-Miama (haven't really gotten into CSI-New York) and
American Idol on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.  

And....I'm glued to the TV Sunday nights for Desperate Housewives.  Too
campy, but hysterically funny.

I'm a junkie.

MJ



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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 14:43:25 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:43:25 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3j4nf+psdd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3jb6d+5j23@eGroups.com>


I live in the U.S. and do not have cable TV. Yes, I know I live in 
the dark ages. In my cave. And I have a small color TV that I won a 
few years ago. Anyway, I am sick of all the crime and drama shows on 
TV. I want to see good comedy, like Frazer which is no longer on. I 
like reruns of Darma and Greg. The wife swap one is funny, but that 
is a reality show, and I don't really want reality either. I like 
the PBS shows that come from the UK, like "Keeping Up 
Appearances", "Are You Being Served", and I really like "As Time 
Goes By" (he is so cute! ;-)... yes, I know he is an *old* man... 
but to an old woman he looks pretty good!! And I like his 
personality.)

What I really like is old movies, but there aren't many, not on non-
cable. I prefer movies, but not dramas, I want to escape and feel 
good when I watch TV. There is just too much reality on TV these 
days. I also like Jeopardy, Millionaire and shows like that so I can 
feel smart when I get the answers right.

Tonks_op
And before you suggest it I know I can rent movies, but it is more 
fun watching on TV. I guess because I know a lot of others are 
watching with me. A shared experience, even if I can see the others 
I know that they are there.







From dzny72 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 15:15:28 2005
From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:15:28 -0000
Subject: US and UK editions
Message-ID: <d3jd2g+bi2i@eGroups.com>


I know this may have been covered before, and I apologize in advance if 
so.  Just HOW different are the US and UK editions of the series?  Is 
it like reading a completely different book, although I would already 
know the plot/outcome of the story?  Or is it more of replacing "UK 
terms" with something those of us in the US would understand?  Is it 
worth the effort for me here in the US to find the UK copies and read 
those as well?  Any & all opinions please. . . Thanks!!

Zaxmom (aka dzny72)






From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 16:45:54 2005
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:45:54 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3jb6d+5j23@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3jic2+usn0@eGroups.com>


I'm in the US with no cable, too. Mostly, I watch Dragon Tales and 
Clifford, the Big Red Dog. (Can you tell I have a toddler?) In the 
evening, not much...Everybody Loves Raymond, Nanny 911, Smallville, 
Extreme Makeover-Home Edition, American Idol (this season, I couldn't 
stomach last season!) There aren't any shows I watch every week 
anymore-there used to be a ton!

-Barb






From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 16:54:02 2005
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:54:02 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3jb6d+5j23@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3jira+a5t9@eGroups.com>



Okay, I have to throw this in here.  I watch a new show on NBC on 
Monday nights called "Medium."  The name pretty much speaks for 
itself.  It is about a woman (Patricia Arquette) who can "see" 
paranormal activity, 
and works for the District Attorney's office as an "assistant," 
helping to solve crimes.  It is an awesome show.  My favorite.  I do 
not watch very much tv; Survivor, Apprentice, sometimes Law & Order 
and ER, and this show.
So I am recommeding it so that it survives!  I know that new network 
shows these days are cut pretty easily if they don't get the viewers.
 
And I would be crushed if "Medium" were canceled!  I'm not sure what 
kind of ratings it is getting, but please give it a try!  :)

2 beagles






From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Wed Apr 13 16:58:47 2005
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:58:47 -0000
Subject: US and UK editions
In-Reply-To: <d3jd2g+bi2i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3jj47+796u@eGroups.com>


On the index page of the HP Lexicon, 
on the righthand side of the page, is a list of links within the site.
Look for British/US Editions.
This will take you to a page detailing ALL the changes and differences 
in the editions for each book.  As you will see the changes have 
become much fewer in the more recent editions.


(I'm assuming you have heard of the Lexicon, if not, post again, and 
I'll give you the address :-)








From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 13 15:47:43 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:47:43 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
References: <008501c54026$2d662150$dd00000a@kelsy>
Message-ID: <425D3F1F.000003.01332@KATHRYN>

 Kelsy

 
This is what I watch regularly Strong Medicine which is based on a real
clinic in South Philadelphia, Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, Discovery Channel,
History Channel, BBC America (loved watching Changing Rooms for Lawrence.),
and for the kids there is Dora the Explorer, The Wiggles, Sesame Street,
Stanley, Play With Me Sesame, BoohBah, Blue's Clues, and a few others.
 
 
K

I don't know if they show it in the US but Lawrence briefly did a show with
an Irish gardener called Diarmed (which I can't spell and I can't remembe
his surname either) where he did the house makeover and Diarmed did the
garden (well duh!) and I found a whole new appreciation for Lawrence. I had
been of the opinion that I wouldn't let him within ten miles of my home even
if you were paying me (nothing about him as a person you understand, but
there's only so much purple a girl can take. hmmm, perhaps he should be let
loose on Lex Luthor's castle ....). But on the show we got to see him
working with a client the way he would as  a professional designer rather
than just as an 'expert' on a tv show and he was much better at following
their requirements whereas Diarmed would simply get irritated if the clients
 needs clashed with his grand design, Lawrence would just get on with it and
point ouot that they were working for the client not the other way around.
Plus experience shows me that when you get a house with antique fireplaces
or wooden floors or whatever we can trust Lawrence not to rip them out and
make everything modern and shiny (one of the others actually did this with a
very old absolutely gorgeous poliched wood floor, replaced it with metal
tiles)

K
 

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From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 13 17:37:43 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:37:43 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3jic2+usn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3jld7+f2ho@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Barb Fulton" 
<barbfulton at y...> wrote:
> 
> I'm in the US with no cable, too. Mostly, I watch Dragon Tales and 
> Clifford, the Big Red Dog. (Can you tell I have a toddler?) In the 
> evening, not much...Everybody Loves Raymond, Nanny 911, 
Smallville, 
> Extreme Makeover-Home Edition, American Idol (this season, I 
couldn't 
> stomach last season!) There aren't any shows I watch every week 
> anymore-there used to be a ton!


YES! 'Everybody Loves Raymond' every Monday night and in re-runs. 
And 'Friends' re-runs. I like my TV-time to be all about comedy and 
escapism unless the History Channel has a good program. Anyone 
watching "The Conquerers" on History Channel Sunday nights? Pretty 
good. 

Jen, past the toddler shows and into monitoring the questionable 7-
year old shows.






From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 17:50:17 2005
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:50:17 -0000
Subject: How Stupid am I - and how will I cope?!
In-Reply-To: <d3g81e+dbur@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3jm4p+6p82@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> Seriously, I'm a bit puzzled.  Surely the least the DoD can do is 
> maintain morale by making sure the troops get what they want

It's not bad.  We DO get packages-- we just have to arrange to send 
out a convoy every so often to get them from the other mail stop, 
which gets them from the previous stop.  It does take longer than most 
soldiers seem to expect, for packages... we do get them eventually...

A.J.






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 13 15:49:32 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:49:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What do you watch?  was Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
References: <d3j4nf+psdd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <425D3F8C.000005.01332@KATHRYN>

 Karen
Charmed (although I have to admit
that I initially started watching that for Julian McMahon, but have
stayed with it after his departure!). 

K

Almost worth watching for Julian but the charmed three make me want to slap
them. Got very into Profiler a few years back when I was living in Germany
(series one was being shown prime time in German and series two in English
on NBC Europe, confusing as anything watching the two side by side, but
worth it). Adored Julian.

K

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From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed Apr 13 22:23:15 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:23:15 -0000
Subject: US and UK editions
In-Reply-To: <d3jj47+796u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3k64j+324n@eGroups.com>


If you're a fanatic, it's fun to have both editions, and perhaps
variations of different editions - children / adult covers,
commerative artwork, etc.

The text changes between the UK and US are for all purposes
insignificant.  Especially in the past couple books, the only real
changes deal with US / UK spelling, and colloquialisms that might be
otherwise confusing.  Unless you have a desire to own both editions,
you will be reading exactly the same story.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Belinda" <bhobbs36 at v...> wrote:
> 
> On the index page of the HP Lexicon, 
> on the righthand side of the page, is a list of links within the site.
> Look for British/US Editions.
> This will take you to a page detailing ALL the changes and differences 
> in the editions for each book.  As you will see the changes have 
> become much fewer in the more recent editions.
> 
> 
> (I'm assuming you have heard of the Lexicon, if not, post again, and 
> I'll give you the address :-)







From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 22:32:09 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:32:09 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3j4nf+psdd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3k6l9+br1s@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker" 
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kelsy" <hpfans at m...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > [Kathryn asks]:
> > >  What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all 
> given up in disgust.
> > 
>Snip< 
> Karen

*****\(@@)/*****

With me, it varies with my mood but my regulars are the Amazing 
Race, Survivor, some of the Law and Orders (I just discovered there 
were more than just the one show!) and Spongebob, Spongebob, 
Spongebob! I also like to watch old movies on TMC or AMC - I 
actually saw some really wonderful silents on the other night one 
was Our Hospitality with Buster Keaton which was very charming as 
well as the perpetually wonderful Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers movies. 
I loved Dead Like Me, Six Feet Under, Sopranos, Deadwood, Huff, and 
Carnivale - though the subject matter is very adult, they each are 
just packed in their hour long formats and I usually feel like I 
finally got my money's worth of drama/comedy unlike prime time tv. I 
adore BBC America (please, please get Dr. Who!!!!)and the History 
Channel especially the Time Team. I look for documentaries on 
Discovery, PBS and other channels. Generally I try to stay away from 
lots of commercials and as much mindless drivel as I can.....I will 
say my hands down favorite thing to watch are old movies from the 
30s and the silent films!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****








From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 13 15:52:55 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:52:55 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching TV (was: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!)
References: <20050413141041.26517.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <425D4057.000007.01332@KATHRYN>

 MJ

And....I'm glued to the TV Sunday nights for Desperate Housewives.  Too
campy, but hysterically funny.
 
I'm a junkie.
 
K

Completely forgot DH (Wednesday nights here, one ep on terrestrial TV and
the next immediately afterwards in the sister cable channel). I love all of
the women, especially Bree. Although with all the bodies that keep turning
up why she hasn't yet stabbed that husband of hers and buried him under the
atio is beyond me.

K 
 
 

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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 03:48:01 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:48:01 -0000
Subject: Revelation on Wed. night  TV(Re: What do you watch?)
In-Reply-To: <d3k6l9+br1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3kp5h+dusr@eGroups.com>


Did anyone else watch this one tonight. I was so excited ran home to 
see it and I find out at the end of an hour that it is not a movie but 
a series.  Someone said it is a movie over 5 weeks, so I don't really 
know what it is. I loved it, but don't want it drawn out like this.  Of 
course in addition to not having cable, I don't have TV guide either. I 
just look things up on Yahoo or bug my friends who get a newpaper. 
(told you I live in a cave, no newspaper either.)

But the evil one on this program is the immortal one. Reminded me of 
LV, something about the way they said it. And when I saw part of the 
Dateline show before that about the Divinci Code it is had Mary 
Magdalene as a redhead, I thought of Lilly. I am afraid the Harry 
Potter books have ruined me for life!  See bits and pieces of it 
everywhere I go. 

Tonks_op







From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 13 15:39:24 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:39:24 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
References: <20050413074828.63276.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <425D3D2C.000001.01332@KATHRYN>

 

 
Lynn:
 
 Considering I had such low expections of the CSI:Miami one (not a big David
Caruso fan), it has turned out to be not too bad.   
 

K

That was my problem with the show when it started too! And while I'm still
not a big Caruso fan I am becoming much much more of an Horatio fan. The
character used to irritate me - all that staring off dramatically into the
sunset and the way he seemed a lot less hands on than Gil (sciencewise,
obviously arrestwise he's much more of a cop) but he's so darn good with the
victims that it overpowers my irritatiion every time. I have to say that if
I was ever a victim I would much rather have Caine dealing with my case than
Grissom (someone needs to give him a crash course on how to at least pretend
you have people skills). If I was a criminal I think I'd want to stear clear
of Miami day shift and Vegas night and swing shifts though.

K

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From h.m.s at mweb.co.za  Thu Apr 14 07:53:27 2005
From: h.m.s at mweb.co.za (H.M.S)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:53:27 +0200
Subject: Dan, Emma & Rupert
References: <1113392150.3659.2702.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <004701c540c7$22d967f0$0200a8c0@Sharon>


Several times lately, I have seen report that our trio may not make the rest
of the HP movies because they are getting too old!

What about Timothy Hutton & Sean Penn in " Taps" (1981) - They were both 21,
playing teenagers about 17 years old.
Tom Welling is a 28 year old playing a teenager in Smallville and "Cheaper
by the Dozen" (2003)

If they can do it - so can our 3

Sharon (South Africa) who will toss out her Harry Potter DVD's if they
change the lead Characters - Dumbledore was bad enough!!!







From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 10:00:42 2005
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:00:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dan, Emma & Rupert
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414100042.81936.qmail@web61009.mail.yahoo.com>



"H.M.S" <h.m.s at mweb.co.za> wrote:

Several times lately, I have seen report that our trio may not make the rest
of the HP movies because they are getting too old!

What about Timothy Hutton & Sean Penn in " Taps" (1981) - They were both 21,
playing teenagers about 17 years old.
Tom Welling is a 28 year old playing a teenager in Smallville and "Cheaper
by the Dozen" (2003)

If they can do it - so can our 3

Sharon (South Africa) who will toss out her Harry Potter DVD's if they
change the lead Characters - Dumbledore was bad enough!!!

Now me:

        I sat behind a woman in a restaurant after PoA was released. She was going on and on about how they were getting too grown-up. She apparently hadn't read the books and expected Harry to be an eleven year-old super hero in every story. I was very British and resisted butting in and correcting her, but I was very tempted. 


Sam





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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 14:16:49 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:16:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching TV (was: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414141649.58212.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
> K
> 
> Completely forgot DH (Wednesday nights here, one ep on terrestrial TV
> and
> the next immediately afterwards in the sister cable channel). I love all
> of
> the women, especially Bree. Although with all the bodies that keep
> turning
> up why she hasn't yet stabbed that husband of hers and buried him under
> the
> atio is beyond me.
> 
> K 
>  

I'm still floored that everything seems to be lovey-dovey in that house,
like she never found out he had a mistress cracking whips and chains over
his head!  Throw the bum out on his A---!

And this baby-daddy puzzle about to happen with Gabrielle is hysterical! 
Can't wait to see how that pans out.

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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 14:20:16 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414142016.24369.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Kathryn <kcawte at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> K
> 
> That was my problem with the show when it started too! And while I'm
> still
> not a big Caruso fan I am becoming much much more of an Horatio fan. The
> character used to irritate me - all that staring off dramatically into
> the
> sunset and the way he seemed a lot less hands on than Gil (sciencewise,
> obviously arrestwise he's much more of a cop) but he's so darn good with
> the
> victims that it overpowers my irritatiion every time. I have to say that
> if
> I was ever a victim I would much rather have Caine dealing with my case
> than
> Grissom (someone needs to give him a crash course on how to at least
> pretend
> you have people skills). If I was a criminal I think I'd want to stear
> clear
> of Miami day shift and Vegas night and swing shifts though.
> 
> K
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 


I wonder if his head hurts from bending his neck front and to the side all
the time.  

I never watched NYPD Blue, so Miami is my first exposure to Caruso.  I
have to admit, I like him, and for the same reasons.  He's so empathetic,
he touches me.  

I also like Callie's character.  I still chuckle when I recall the scene
when she walks into the gun room, poses at the door and says "Be still my
heart."  Talk about your southern steel magnolia!  :)

MJ 

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From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 15:47:55 2005
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <1113478707.2628.60375.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050414154755.38829.qmail@web51702.mail.yahoo.com>

I watch very little that's not animated, and nearly no
broadcast tv (almost everything I watch is on cable). 

The shows I watch regularly are The Daily Show on
Comedy Central, and various animated shows: The
Simpsons, Teen Titans, old Animaniacs and Daria
reruns, the better parts of Cartoon Network's Adult
Swim lineup (Venture Brothers, Fullmetal Alchemist,
Futurama, Robot Chicken).

I'll occasionally channel surf and stop on a cooking
show (I love Jamie Oliver) or a home improvement show.


-Tyler


		
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 17:00:03 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:00:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414170003.45894.qmail@web53309.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes!  Jon Stewart is the best news anchor ever.
Other cartoons... S. Park, Family Guy, Inuyasha, Oblongs, Recess, All Grown Up.
 

Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt at yahoo.com> wrote:
I watch very little that's not animated, and nearly no
broadcast tv (almost everything I watch is on cable). 

The shows I watch regularly are The Daily Show on
Comedy Central, and various animated shows: The
Simpsons, Teen Titans, old Animaniacs and Daria
reruns, the better parts of Cartoon Network's Adult
Swim lineup (Venture Brothers, Fullmetal Alchemist,
Futurama, Robot Chicken).

I'll occasionally channel surf and stop on a cooking
show (I love Jamie Oliver) or a home improvement show.


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From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Apr 14 18:28:39 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:28:39 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?  was Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <d3j4nf+psdd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3mcon+bnrl@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker" 
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kelsy" <hpfans at m...> wrote:
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > [Kathryn asks]:
> > >  What is every one else round here watching? Or have you all 
> given up in
> > >  disgust.
> > 
> I'm delighted that the new series of William and Mary is starting 
> this week and will be watching avidly.  > 
> Karen

I love William and Mary, (but them I am a midwife, and she is the 
best fictional midwife ever - certainly when you compare her to the 
drama queens on Holby City)
I have been watching the Russell T Davies's adaptation of Casanova 
which has been excellent- very funny (starring David Tennant - Barty 
Crouch jr)
And Hustle is good too (which incidentally this week starred Lee 
Ingleby who played Stan Shunpike in PoA)  maybe you think I only 
watch things with HP stars in!!!
There's not much on British TV that doesn't involve sex or drugs, but 
having said that I will be videoing Footballer's Wives tonight 
because its like the Dynasty of this generation - so off the wall its 
funny!!
Sarah xx






From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Apr 14 18:32:43 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:32:43 -0000
Subject: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
In-Reply-To: <425D3F1F.000003.01332@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d3md0b+lig4@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  Kelsy
> 
>  
>> an Irish gardener called Diarmed (which I can't spell and I can't 
remembe
> his surname either)

Dairmud Gavin - very sexy Irish lilt ... mmmm






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Apr 14 19:21:08 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:21:08 -0000
Subject: Dan, Emma & Rupert
In-Reply-To: <004701c540c7$22d967f0$0200a8c0@Sharon>
Message-ID: <d3mfr4+kfo3@eGroups.com>


> Sharon (South Africa) who will toss out her Harry Potter DVD's if they
> change the lead Characters - Dumbledore was bad enough!!!

Yes, very inconsiderate of Harries to pop his clogs like that.  The man 
obviously had no artistic commitment.

David






From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Fri Apr 15 02:11:07 2005
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (songbird3411)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:11:07 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <20050414154755.38829.qmail@web51702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3n7rr+86jv@eGroups.com>


My main TV addictions are sports.  I grew up in a very sports obsessed 
home.  Some it if rubbed off on me.  Hockey is my first love.  Sigh.  
If only they were actually playing.  Football is also a love.  Baseball 
too.  Basketball I loathe, though.  Horse racing and golf round out my 
favorites.  

On to non-sports programming.  I am ADDICTED to "Lost".  Completely 
hooked.  Also watching "Desperate Housewives" and finding it 
hilarious.  "The Daily Show" is a must.  "Arrested Development" is also 
a favorite.  

Those are the only shows I watch with regularity.  I watch the HBO 
shows on DVD, as I don't get HBO.  I watch "The Simpsons" when I 
remember it is on.  With those and sports, that is about all the TV I 
can handle.  Music and books are my real addictions.   






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 04:07:45 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:07:45 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <d3du6t+nqhe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3nemh+511v@eGroups.com>


David wrote:
<snip> We are all on daylight saving time (except parts of Indiana!)
together.


And, um, Arizona, except for the Navajo reservation, the only part of
the state that goes on Daylight Savings Time. That puts Tucson,
Phoenix, Flagstaff, and the Hopi Reservation, which is inside the
Navajo Reservation but separate from it, on Pacific Time till October.

Carol in Arizona, the forgotten state






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 12:02:50 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:02:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!
Message-ID: <20050415120250.18578.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com>

*takes special care on the decorations, knowing
they'll have to last for a whole weekend of partying*

We're going to have a nice big party this weekend,
celebrating a birthday today and 2 tomorrow!

Today's birthday honouree is Arjay, and tomorrow Carol
and Mausi will be celebrating. Birthday owls can be
sent care of this list or directly to Arjay at:
arjedi at earthlink.net, to Carol at:
justcarol67 at yahoo.com, and to Mausi at
blackgold101 at yahoo.com

I hope all of you have magical days filled with much
HP goodness.

Happy Birthday, Arjay!
Happy Birthday, Carol!
Happy Birthday, Mausi!

*wanders off to make sure there's a plentiful stock of
drinks and food to last the weekend*

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who's going away this
weekend, hence the early greetings :)

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From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 12:54:04 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:54:04 -0000
Subject: Yahoo yet again
Message-ID: <d3odhc+5iod@eGroups.com>


Is it me, or have they turned the message lists upside-down again?
I'm getting all dizzy now...

catkind






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 15 13:21:58 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:21:58 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3jld7+f2ho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3of5m+gl57@eGroups.com>


> Jen, past the toddler shows and into monitoring the questionable 7-
> year old shows.

SSSusan:
And there is a fair number of questionable shows for 7-year-olds!  

Frankly, some of the shows on Nick which my kids prefer bug me 
because the parents are always MORONS and the kids have Attitudes Out 
the Wazoo.  [Does "Fairly Odd Parents" bug anybody else besides me?]  
I miss when my kids thought cartoons only existed on PBS and we'd 
watch their "Bookworm Bunch" shows, including George Shrinks -- a 
truly **great** cartoon... with ubercool parents to boot!

Tonks mentioned missing Frasier.  I used to watch Frasier every week 
in its early years.  Then my "weekly routine" of shows really went 
down the tubes with the arrival of children, but I distinctly 
remember lying on the couch, shortly after baby #1's arrival, 
exhausted, totally wiped out, and flipping on Frasier.  I started to 
chortle and then to giggle and then to outright roar with laughter.  
I'm not one of those moms who found the first few weeks with an 
infant easy, and I'll forever be grateful to Frasier for bringing 
belly laughs back when I most needed them!

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Apr 15 14:42:36 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:42:36 -0000
Subject: Yahoo yet again
In-Reply-To: <d3odhc+5iod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3ojss+tl51@eGroups.com>


cat_kind wrote:

> Is it me, or have they turned the message lists upside-down again?
> I'm getting all dizzy now...

I think they did - mid evening last night UK time.  Odd, since you can 
have them in either order now by clicking on the 'Date' heading.

I have come to prefer most recent at the top for most lists since 
unless the volume is very high you can see what's new without 
scrolling down.

David







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 14:45:05 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:45:05 -0000
Subject: Yahoo yet again
In-Reply-To: <d3odhc+5iod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3ok1h+ug6o@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cat_kind" <cat_kind at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Is it me, or have they turned the message lists upside-down again?
> I'm getting all dizzy now...


Tonks:
Yes, I noticed it last night after I read the same messages that I have 
read earlier in the day and thought I was having a psychotic break or 
something. Anyway I figured out if you click on the date you can put 
them whichever way you want. Amazing how they fix a little here, and 
little there.. and before you know it they will have it back the way it 
was to start!

Tonks_op






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 16:34:47 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:34:47 -0000
Subject: Yahoo yet again
In-Reply-To: <d3odhc+5iod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3oqf7+5643@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cat_kind" <cat_kind at y...> wrote:
> 
> Is it me, or have they turned the message lists upside-down again?
> I'm getting all dizzy now...
> 
> catkind

bboyminn:

Yahoo again? Don't you mean, 'Yahoo, it's about time'. Personally, I
think it would be nice if you could sort by any column (number,
subject, username, or date). Think how nice it would be to sort by
user, and get every post by a single user grouped together. Although
to a limited extent, you can do that by searching for the person's name. 

While I was getting used to the 'Newest on Top', I wasn't liking it.
For my email, that exactly how I sort them, but there really is no
order to email. The Group however, is more like a conversation, and
when I return to the group, I don't want to start at the last
statement made, I want to pick-up where I left off, and proceed
forward from there, and 'Oldest at the Top' serves the purpose better
for me.

Anyway, I suspect that Yahoo received enough complaints about that
change, that they were forced to add the new Sort option. Good to know
they do listen. They are not exactly known for being real responsive
to user comments. 

Regarding these recent changes, pretty much everything everyone
complained about got fix. You have Simple, Summary, and Expanded
display formats. They brought back the  'Go To Message# [  ]' box. The
correct the [Previous] and [Next] button. And now they've updated the
Sort feature.

Now if they would fix the Search feature, we'd be doing pretty good.

Just goes to show, it pays to complain.

Steve/bboyminn






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Apr 15 18:21:13 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:21:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday x 3!
In-Reply-To: <20050415120250.18578.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOMEPLDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Sheryll writes]:
| Happy Birthday, Arjay!
| Happy Birthday, Carol!
| Happy Birthday, Mausi!
|
[Lee]:

Yes, yes! And...here...look over here...An extra pile of chocolates I
snitched from Honeydukes. :-)

And, Sheryll, have a great weekend.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Fri Apr 15 18:26:55 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:26:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Yahoo yet again
References: <d3oqf7+5643@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <088d01c541e8$b471eb70$dd00000a@kelsy>

Yeah, but I am still screaming because they lost over 3 years worth of files 
and such from my one group and we can't get them back. If they had warned us 
of what they were doing we could have saved the files like we did the last 
time they did a major overhaul of the groups.
Kelsy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <bboyminn at yahoo.com>

>
> Now if they would fix the Search feature, we'd be doing pretty good.
>
> Just goes to show, it pays to complain.
>
> Steve/bboyminn




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 15 20:03:41 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:03:41 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3of5m+gl57@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3p6mt+a9lh@eGroups.com>


> SSSusan:
> And there is a fair number of questionable shows for 7-year-olds!  
> 
> Frankly, some of the shows on Nick which my kids prefer bug me 
> because the parents are always MORONS and the kids have Attitudes 
Out 
> the Wazoo.  [Does "Fairly Odd Parents" bug anybody else besides 
me?]  
> I miss when my kids thought cartoons only existed on PBS and we'd 
> watch their "Bookworm Bunch" shows, including George Shrinks -- a 
> truly **great** cartoon... with ubercool parents to boot!

Jen: You aren't the only one! "Dexter" is the same way. And what's 
up with the mom on that show and her rubber gloves? I'm still 
wondering about that one. 

Unfortunately, we've bypassed Nick now (except Spongebob) for 
Cartoon Network, where many of the Y7 shows solve the problem by 
just leaving the parents out. There are so many orphans and kids 
with interestin' guardians (like the grim reaper on 'Billy and 
Mandy') that you forget parents/legitimate guardians are actually 
required for growing up.

Jen, still trying to decide whether the morons or the 'in abstentia' 
parents are worse.








From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 21:03:27 2005
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (Andromeda)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:03:27 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <20050414170003.45894.qmail@web53309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3pa6v+6hgb@eGroups.com>


Must agree. The Daily Show is really the only show we watch 
regularly.  Hilarious and yet informative.  I'll admit to pretty 
much detesting the rest of the comedy channel (ok, South Park can be 
funny, but don't tell my husband I said so).  USed to adore the 
Simpsons but since we had kids I only get to watch TV between 9 and 
11 pm, which is my usual internet or reading or work window, too, so 
no luck.  When I'm feeling down "Whose Line is it anyway" is good 
for some laughs.  The occasional Discovery special, occasional 
news... If I want drama I'll usually read a book or watch a film.
-Andromeda
  



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> Yes!  Jon Stewart is the best news anchor ever.
> Other cartoons... S. Park, Family Guy, Inuyasha, Oblongs, Recess, 
All Grown Up.
>  
>






From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 21:20:10 2005
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (Andromeda)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:20:10 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <d3nemh+511v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3pb6a+3s00@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> David wrote:
> <snip> We are all on daylight saving time (except parts of Indiana!)
> together.
> 
> 
> And, um, Arizona, except for the Navajo reservation, the only part of
> the state that goes on Daylight Savings Time. That puts Tucson,
> Phoenix, Flagstaff, and the Hopi Reservation, which is inside the
> Navajo Reservation but separate from it, on Pacific Time till 
October.
> 
> Carol in Arizona, the forgotten state


Ha! You think Arizona is the forgotten state?  Try us out here in 
Hawaii.  Yes, Hawaii is actually a state.  And no, we don't have 
daylight savings either.  Not enough change in sunrise/sunset times, 
and people here tend to be early birds anyway.  The whole idea of 
daylight savings is still pretty puzzling to folks that grow up here.
I don't miss it.  

As for preventing HBP spoilers on HPfGU, don't they usually shut down 
for 24 hours after the (initial British) release?  Or are they still 
deciding that?

Andromeda (mildly grumpy resident of the rainiest city in the US)  






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Apr 15 23:34:57 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:34:57 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <d3p6mt+a9lh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEPPDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

SS and Jen commented on kids shows with moronic parents and kids with
attitude problems...I couldn't agree more!

The problem with TV and media at large today is that simple things like
respect for one's elders and respect for people in general just isn't taught
and, yes, I believe media does in fact teach.

Unfortunately, the big factor is whether or not the series will sell and
yield a whopping profit.  That, IMHO, is too bad.  I applaud producers and
writers who respect the intelligence of their watchers and realize that
whatever message is put forth by their shows is going to reflect on present
and future generations.

Let me shut up...I know I've probably opened my mouth just a bit too far and
am prepared to swallow the fires that may be thrown at me. :-)

It's just a really touchy thing with me...sorry.  I just get so ticked off
at the media as it presently exists.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Feeling very old-fashioned and proud of it.) :-)




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 16 01:27:07 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:27:07 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <d3pb6a+3s00@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3pplb+k77d@eGroups.com>


> As for preventing HBP spoilers on HPfGU, don't they usually shut 
> down for 24 hours after the (initial British) release?  Or are they 
> still deciding that?
> 
> Andromeda (mildly grumpy resident of the rainiest city in the US)


The decision on list shutdown has not yet been made, Andromeda.  With 
OoP's release in June '03, the HPfGU list was closed to posting for 45 
hours.  If you (or anyone who hasn't yet) would like to register your 
preference for the length of list shutdown with HBP, there is a poll 
at HPfGU where you can do so:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/surveys?id=1748067

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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 03:35:17 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Harry without parent/guardian was Re: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050416033517.60137.qmail@web53309.mail.yahoo.com>

Harry Potter has Harry growing up parentless.  He lives at the Dursley's but he survives their guardianship.  Harry has mentors at Hogwarts but they don't parent; he 'parents' himself.  No one tells him when to go to bed, when to study, when to get up for school (by the way... how unrealistic is that for a teen without an alarm clock? I have trouble enough getting up for work with one), when to buck up and stop being a crybaby to his friends.  So much of children's literature is sans parent: either by death or abandonment or ignorance or incompetence or wickedness or whatever.  It is the fantasy, good or bad, of a life without the parent(s).  Over all, that's a powerful and scary world.  Makes for a good story.  
 
I agree that there is crap for kids on tv, but we as parents/guardians need to monitor that because our kid isn't going to parent themselves, probably.  Unfortunately, there are too many who are too tired or care too little about their young that crappy tv is viable option.

But maybe I'm wrong.
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From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 03:48:52 2005
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 03:48:52 -0000
Subject: A question:
Message-ID: <d3q1v4+7g1t@eGroups.com>


I got this e-mail from my sister, thought someone here might be able to help. I don't know 
why she wants this info, by the way:

 What kind of dog was Fang in the first Harry Potter movie?  (I want to know what kind was 
in the movie, which may or may not be the same breed mentioned in the book.)


Thanks,
Tyler






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Apr 16 04:14:18 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:14:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question:
In-Reply-To: <d3q1v4+7g1t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEABDKAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

Fang was a Borehound...according to the book.

Cheers,

Lee :-)


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| 
| 
| 
| 
| I got this e-mail from my sister, thought someone here might be 
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| why she wants this info, by the way:
| 
|  What kind of dog was Fang in the first Harry Potter movie?  (I 
| want to know what kind was 
| in the movie, which may or may not be the same breed mentioned in 
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 05:23:25 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:23:25 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!
In-Reply-To: <20050415120250.18578.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3q7gd+ucgi@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...>
wrote:
> *takes special care on the decorations, knowing
> they'll have to last for a whole weekend of partying*
> 
> We're going to have a nice big party this weekend,
> celebrating a birthday today and 2 tomorrow!
> 
> Today's birthday honouree is Arjay, and tomorrow Carol
> and Mausi will be celebrating. 
> 
> I hope all of you have magical days filled with much
> HP goodness.
> 
> Happy Birthday, Arjay!
> Happy Birthday, Carol!
> Happy Birthday, Mausi!
> 
> *wanders off to make sure there's a plentiful stock of
> drinks and food to last the weekend*
> 
> Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who's going away this
> weekend, hence the early greetings :)


Thank you, Sheryll! Good thing you brought a cake because I forgot to
bake one for myself and I doubt that my mom is bringing one from
Boise! (Actually, with the weather we're having, we'll probably order
an ice cream cake from Baskin Robbins. It's pushing summer here in
Tucson.)

Carol






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 05:26:13 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:26:13 -0000
Subject: Revelation TV mini series
Message-ID: <d3q7ll+3pfh@eGroups.com>


The news said 15 million people saw the start of this mini-series. Now 
there must by *someone* on this list that saw it. I want to compare 
notes about it. It was hard to follow, espically since I missed the 
first 10 minutes.  Did anyone out there see it??  S.O.S....

Tonks_op






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 05:37:41 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:37:41 -0000
Subject: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEPPDJAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <d3q8b5+kjpn@eGroups.com>


> The problem with TV and media at large today is that simple things 
like respect for one's elders and respect for people in general just 
isn't taught and, yes, I believe media does in fact teach.
> 
(snip)  I applaud producers and writers who respect the intelligence 
of their watchers and realize that whatever message is put forth by 
their shows is going to reflect on present and future generations.
> 
Snip> It's just a really touchy thing with me...sorry.  I just get 
so ticked off at the media as it presently exists.
> 

Tonks:
I agree with you Lee. I think that the media is a major source of 
the problem with our society today. Of course when I was a child we 
didn't have TV. (remember me folks, I am the one that lives in the 
cave.) We didn't have TV until I was 9 years old and the shows that 
came on (in the 1950's) taught kids right from wrong and good family 
values. (I sound like a consertive here and I am not.) I like the HP 
books because I think it is teaching the children things that need 
to be taught. I hate to think what our society will be like in 
another 20 years.

Tonks_op






From lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 05:45:16 2005
From: lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com (linda williams)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:45:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Revelation TV mini series
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050416054516.49740.qmail@web50703.mail.yahoo.com>

  Hi, I watched it, too, but am not entirely sure what I saw as it jumped around so much. Did you see the part where the little girl got struck by lightning? She is the one who was talking in ancient Latin revealing prophesy? That scene was awesome although I wondered why she was running across a golf course. I loved the bit with her watch spinning wildly right before the lightning struck. Please post your impressions and it might jog my memory about what I actually saw. I loved the first installment and can't wait to see where it goes next.
 
  Linda
  Slytherin through and through

Tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:

The news said 15 million people saw the start of this mini-series. Now 
there must by *someone* on this list that saw it. I want to compare 
notes about it. It was hard to follow, espically since I missed the 
first 10 minutes.  Did anyone out there see it??  S.O.S....

Tonks_op





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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sat Apr 16 06:49:34 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:49:34 -0000
Subject: A question:
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEABDKAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <d3qchu+dpen@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:

Lee: 
> Fang was a Borehound...according to the book.

Geoff:
At the risk of being a bore, Fang is a /boar/hound. These are more
commonly known as the Great Dane which was indeed bred for hunting wild
boar and apparently did /not/ originate in Denmark.

According to the Lexicon, Fang was played in "the medium that dare not
speak its name" by a blue Neopolitan mastiff.

 






From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 09:19:21 2005
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (Andromeda)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:19:21 -0000
Subject: HBP down under (moved from main list)
In-Reply-To: <d3pplb+k77d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d3qlap+4ets@eGroups.com>


 
> 
> The decision on list shutdown has not yet been made, Andromeda.  
With 
> OoP's release in June '03, the HPfGU list was closed to posting for 
45 
> hours.  If you (or anyone who hasn't yet) would like to register 
your 
> preference for the length of list shutdown with HBP, there is a poll 
> at HPfGU where you can do so:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/surveys?id=1748067
> 
> Shorty Elf


Ahh, many thanks.  I'll check it out and add my 2 knuts.  I suspect it 
won't be an issue for me... I can't imagine spending time on the 
computer when I could be reading a brand new HP book.  But better safe 
than spoiled!

-Andromeda






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sat Apr 16 12:27:41 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:27:41 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A question: Boarhound
In-Reply-To: <d3qcdi+7pk1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEEICJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Geoff:
At the risk of being a bore, Fang is a /boar/hound. These are more
commonly known as the Great Dane which was indeed bred for hunting wild
boar and apparently did /not/ originate in Denmark.

According to the Lexicon, Fang was played in "the medium that dare not
speak its name" by a blue Neoplitan mastiff.

storm:
I'd be very surprised if the modern Great Dane was able to hunt boar. They
don't have the stamina or the freedom of movement needed to hunt pigs. Pig
dogs are more likely be mid-sized dogs with fairly broad bodies. The broad
chest is necessary because if the pig/boar gores the dog it is more likely
to miss vital organs.

Maybe the Great Dane has had substantial changes to the standard in the last
500 years.

storm, whose old dog who was mostly bred for pigging but thankfully has
never had to pig. On the whole pig dogs lead short and brutal lives.  Megan
is much happier on the sofa.

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From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Sat Apr 16 13:59:42 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:59:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Revelation TV mini series
References: <d3q7ll+3pfh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007201c5428c$89db1c20$dd00000a@kelsy>

Watched while doing emails, trying to put laundry away and getting my two 
toddlers into bed.
Ask away. What I can remember I will give my best to.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tonks" <tonks_op at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:26 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Revelation TV mini series


>
>
> The news said 15 million people saw the start of this mini-series. Now
> there must by *someone* on this list that saw it. I want to compare
> notes about it. It was hard to follow, espically since I missed the
> first 10 minutes.  Did anyone out there see it??  S.O.S....
>
> Tonks_op 




From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Sat Apr 16 14:07:12 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:07:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Revelation TV mini series
References: <20050416054516.49740.qmail@web50703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008501c5428d$9613a920$dd00000a@kelsy>

I know what they are talking about is based on The Book of Revelations from 
the Bible. The girls was to walk to school and I gathered the golf course 
was the shortest way to the school. I think her father was the caretaker or 
something. According to my memory of catholic School and the Book of 
Revelations when the end comes Certain things are to happen. Like I think 
the dead rising, people speaking in tongues (mostly ones they had never 
spoken in life.) If you want I could go grab my Bible and read the Book of 
Revelations to see what all the "signs" were.
There are other movies that have been made that also deal with the Book of 
Revelations.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "linda williams" <lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com>

>
>  Hi, I watched it, too, but am not entirely sure what I saw as it jumped 
> around so much. Did you see the part where the little girl got struck by 
> lightning? She is the one who was talking in ancient Latin revealing 
> prophesy? That scene was awesome although I wondered why she was running 
> across a golf course. I loved the bit with her watch spinning wildly right 
> before the lightning struck. Please post your impressions and it might jog 
> my memory about what I actually saw. I loved the first installment and 
> can't wait to see where it goes next.
>
>  Linda
>  Slytherin through and through
> 



From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sat Apr 16 14:47:17 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:47:17 -0000
Subject: A question: Boarhound
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEEICJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <d3r8hl+9tuf@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> wrote:

storm:
> I'd be very surprised if the modern Great Dane was able to hunt boar. 
They
> don't have the stamina or the freedom of movement needed to hunt 
pigs. Pig
> dogs are more likely be mid-sized dogs with fairly broad bodies. The 
broad
> chest is necessary because if the pig/boar gores the dog it is more 
likely
> to miss vital organs.

Geoff:
Well, I'm only a harmless Border Collie owner and I took the 
information fom one of my dog books. 

Among the snippets of data:
Male: a minimum of 30 ins high, weight 120lbs
Female: a minimum of 28 ins high, weight 100 lbs.

A giant among breeds, the Great Dane was originally used for hunting 
wild boar. Opinions as to its place of origin are varied: what is 
certain that it was not Denmark.

The body should be very deep. The hindquarters and thighs should be 
muscular and the feet should be cat-like with arched toes.

No mention of alteration through breeding.

I am at the mercy (or accuracy) of the author.

There you go.







From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 17:05:53 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What do you watch?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050416170553.64470.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com>

Lee  wrote:
 
The problem with TV and media at large today is that simple things like respect for one's elders and respect for people in general just isn't taught and, yes, I believe media does in fact teach.

Unfortunately, the big factor is whether or not the series will sell and yield a whopping profit.  That, IMHO, is too bad.  I applaud producers and writers who respect the intelligence of their watchers and realize that whatever message is put forth by their shows is going to reflect on present and future generations.


Lynn:
 
Yes, I agree that the media does teach and they don't teach respect.  I also think that they are just mirroring society today.  Kids see this not only through the media but out on the street and in the schools.  How many times do you see people giving up their seat on the train or bus to an elderly person or perhaps a parent with a baby or young child?  I learned that if I was going to offer my seat, I couldn't get up until that person was right there as someone else would take and then not move even when I explained I was giving it so someone who needed it.  How many people park in the handicapped zones and aren't handicapped?  
 
People today seem to want respect but aren't prepared to give it.  The way some parents allow their children to talk to them is appalling.  It's something we fight all the time when our daughter hears how a friend talks to their parents and thinks she can talk to us in the same manner.  It's up to the parents to teach their children how to show respect and too many parents just can't be bothered or don't think it is necessary.  Of course, they are the first to complain when they aren't respected.
 
While we are aware of these shows, we don't allow our daughter to watch them.  Unfortunately, we can't control what she sees when she visits her friends but when she starts acting on what she's seen, she learns quickly what is and what is not acceptable.
 
Lynn
 
 

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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sat Apr 16 22:17:00 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:17:00 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A question: Boarhound
In-Reply-To: <d3r8hl+9tuf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPOEELCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Geoff - no border collie owner is harmless - you have a marvellous
instrument suitable for all sorts of things at your disposal!

I don't know the standard - I am going on the dogs I have seen - they may
well not conform to the standard. Still I thought Great Danes where sight
hounds ... oh well, it is of no matter.

storm, envious of Geoff and his border collie but knows she is unable to
entertain a bc.

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Apr 16 22:27:28 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:27:28 -0000
Subject: TH, costumes, dogs
Message-ID: <d3s3gg+9j5a@eGroups.com>


Geoff wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26897 :

<< An unvoiced "th" is in words such as thin, think, thick >>

Do 'think'and 'thick' have the same 'th'? It doesn't sound the same to
me as I experiment -- fin, fick, but sink not fink.

<< whereas a voiced "th" is in words like the, then, thine. >>

De and den in Brooklynese, but I can't imagine saying 'dine' in 'For
Dine is de kingdom and de power and de glory"... I sadly feel that the
'Continental' mispronunciation, despite all its bad connotations, is
closer to the real pronuniction, ze, zen, zine.... 

<< It's similar to things such as "v" being a voiced "f". >>

Lee told me that the minimum distinctive difference is found in
"either" versus "ether" (eeever versus eeefer). So I gather that
whether a particular 'th' sounds more like an F/V or an S/Z or a D has
nothing to do with whether it is voiced or unvoiced?

Tonks_op wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26910 :

<< One small town near here deck out the whole town to look like
Hogwarts and there are witches and wizards swooping around everwhere.
We dress up and drive over there just for the fun. All the stores are
converted into one of the stores in Diagon Alley. the bank isn't open,
but it looks like Gringotts. >>

What Fun! Does the whole town profit from it, or do they just do it
for fun?

Storm wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27011 :

<< Maybe the Great Dane has had substantial changes to the standard in
the last 500 years. >>

IIRC, last year when I was reading about breeds of dogs to figure out
what Padfoot is, I read that the Great Dane was a kind of Mastiff
until a bit over 100 years ago they decided to make it slimmer IIRC by
crossing it with Dobermans. I don't recall anything about what they
were supposed to hunt: I thought Mastiffs were primarily watchdogs and
fighting dogs.

Storm wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27016 :

<< envious of Geoff and his border collie but knows she is unable to
entertain a bc >>

My friend's late dog was a Sheltie/spaniel cross who was the perfect
dog. As smart as a Border Collie and with herding ability, but much
easier to entertain -- he wanted humans to throw tennis balls for him
to fetch and return, but when he ran out of willing humans, he would
go to sleep on a sofa cushion. When I and my then two cats lived there
for a month, Fuzzy herded my cats, after which all three would go to
sleep on 'my' bed together.






From lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 22:45:15 2005
From: lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com (linda williams)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Revelation TV mini series
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050416224515.1103.qmail@web50703.mail.yahoo.com>

 Hey, that would be awesome. What signs are they talking about, I mean what does the Bible actually say are the signs that signify the End of Days? You'd think I'd know that being a Catholic, but then I've not been the 'best' Catholic unfortunately and don't know where my Bible is right at the moment.
  I find it amazing that the religious organization to which the nun belongs was able to locate this one girl so readily considering how many people are struck by lightning and/or declared brain-dead at any given time. But then, the hand of God works in mysterious ways and may just put the things together that need to be for a specific 'something' to occur.
 
  Linda
  Slytherin

Kelsy <hpfans at mamakelsy.net> wrote:

I know what they are talking about is based on The Book of Revelations from 
the Bible. The girls was to walk to school and I gathered the golf course 
was the shortest way to the school. I think her father was the caretaker or 
something. According to my memory of catholic School and the Book of 
Revelations when the end comes Certain things are to happen. Like I think 
the dead rising, people speaking in tongues (mostly ones they had never 
spoken in life.) If you want I could go grab my Bible and read the Book of 
Revelations to see what all the "signs" were.
There are other movies that have been made that also deal with the Book of 
Revelations.








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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 01:03:50 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:03:50 -0000
Subject: Revelation TV mini series
In-Reply-To: <20050416224515.1103.qmail@web50703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3sclm+37ol@eGroups.com>


Well I came in late and called a couple of friends to fill me in. 
They were a bit confused so this is what I have pieced together.

The part I didn't see:  A PHD professor is on a plane holding a 
newspaper and the story he is reading is about his daughter being 
killed. It turns out that he is sitting next to the killer. ...

A girl is leaving the house and her father doesn't want her to go 
dressed the way that she is...  next she is struck by lightning. 

There is a funeral for someone. This is where I came in. I think it 
was for the dead girl, the professors daughter??  or was it for 
someone else?  

Then a priest comes to give the lightning girl(who is in a coma) 
last rites and he heards her talking in Latin. She does some other 
things, but I forgot what. Apparently the priest calls in a nun who 
is from some group that is investigating the end times. While the 
nun is with the girl, the girl (still in a coma) draws a picture. 

Later the nun takes the picture to the PHD professor. The professor 
does not want to get involved. He says that he is being threatened 
by the enemy.. a group of Satan worshippers.  The man who killed his 
daughter was one of them.

The Prof. looks up something on the internet and finds the nun's 
picture.. but I think it said that she is dead.. having killed 
herself.  Here is where I am confused.

Then the Prof. looks at the picture and sees something that upsets 
him. He digs out some old stuff of his daughter's and finds the same 
drawing that she made for him a number of years before. 

He goes to see the murderer. The man is very evil and seemed to me 
like a DE. (too much HP on the brain) The man says that he can not 
bleed and proves it by cutting off his own finger.

Then there was a comercial and I was about 15 seconds late getting 
back... and the PHD is with the nun in an airport.  ????

It is exciting, but very confusing. Like someones nightmare.

And just before this started I thought that someone said that is was 
based on the book about the Divinci Code, or did I combine a few 
things there??  

I think I was lost before I started.  Thank for any help that you 
can give.

Tonks_op






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Apr 17 03:03:52 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 03:03:52 -0000
Subject: Asperger's Syndrome (moved from Main List)
Message-ID: <d3sjmo+an7a@eGroups.com>


Pippin wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/127402 :

<< I was reading today about Asperger's Syndrome (a form of autism).
'They tend not to understand facial expressions, body language and
other non-verbal communications, and thus take statements literally,
missing implied meanings and subtexts. They often lack empathy,
blurting out truthful but unvarnished statements. Once set in a course
of action, they are slow to process new information that suggests they
should change what they are doing. And they typically fixate on very
specific interests." >>

I've heard three people who said they had Asperger's Syndrome
interviewed on the radio about it. One was a Fresh Air interview with
Dan Aykroyd
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4181931
specifically to publicize his new book about the blues, but drifted
into other topics, including Aykroyd saying he had been diagnosed as a
child with Asperger's Syndrome. 

Another was a Fresh Air interview with Michael John Carley
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1872622 a
playwright who was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome after his son
was diagnosed. (Related story the same day waa
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1872620 )

Another was an interview with a teen boy who had written a book,
unpublished, which was a parody of mental health therapies, which he
said he hoped would be published and become number 9 on the New York
Times best seller list because if he had a book on that list, he could
get laid. And wishing to be Number 1 would sound arrogant, but still
he'd like to be better than last place.

The boy author seemed to fit the clinical description of the syndrome
-- "I want to be famous author so I can get laid" is EXACTLY the
statement that will prevent a female listener from wanting to sleep
with the speaker -- but the two adults were not merely charming and
expressive, but spoke with apparent real concern (love) of others --
the playwright of his son, Aykroyd of his efforts to get John Belushi
off drugs ... 

My conclusion? One conclusion was drawn by the playwright, who had
started a support group in Manhattan for adults with Asperger's
Syndrome and said he had observed that the suppport group members who
did best in their lives and communicated well were the ones from
'theater backgrounds' -- he indicated that they learned communication
skills in acting classes. IIRC one of those communications skills is
that, knowing one cannot tell when one's listerner is bored by
something one finds fascinating, one should periodically ask: "Am I
telling you too much?" (and, I suppose, pray that one's listener is
not polite, which would ALWAYS reply "Oh, not at all" while stifling a
yawn). 

But MY conclusion is that the diagnosis Asperger's Syndrome covers a
hell of a lot of ground. 







From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 03:25:53 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:25:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A question: Boarhound
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050417032553.8278.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>



Geoff Bannister <gbannister10 at aol.com> wrote:
Geoff:
Well, I'm only a harmless Border Collie owner 

 

 

Geoff - I have what you may call BC with training wheels!!!  I have 7 shelties and 1 is a sheltie puppy that is 8 weeks old (I am working on finding a new home for him).  They have the brains but not the intensity.  2 of them have herding certificates already, 2 have won conformation ribbons and one of the ones with a herding certificate is working on his obedience titles (he also rides a skateboard, says his prayers, and carries out the trash - and is the father of the 8 week old puppy).   I think 7 shelties is easier than one BC!!!

moonmyyst


		
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From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Sun Apr 17 03:54:16 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:54:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Revelation TV mini series
References: <d3sclm+37ol@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004201c54301$20f73f70$dd00000a@kelsy>

They are re-airing this Sunday April 17th at 11 pm Eastern time. You can go 
to www.scifi.com websight and check it out what time it will air in your 
area. 




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 17 04:02:27 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 17 Apr 2005 04:02:27 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1113710547.19.45915.m27@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 17, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sun Apr 17 06:42:17 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 06:42:17 -0000
Subject: Border collies rule OK?
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPOEELCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <d3t0g9+hvcu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> wrote:

storm: 
envious of Geoff and his border collie but knows she is unable to
> entertain a bc.
> 

Geoff:
They are part of my keep fit programme - I cover 4-5 miles every day 
with them

They answer ro Jodie and Dan and if you'd like to "meet" them,then 
visit www.aspectsofexmoor.com and look at the "About me" page.... 

It's the lower picture you want. :-)






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Apr 17 10:25:59 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:25:59 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Border collies rule OK?
References: <d3t0g9+hvcu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <426239B7.000001.00916@KATHRYN>


 
Geoff:
They are part of my keep fit programme - I cover 4-5 miles every day
with them
 
They answer ro Jodie and Dan and if you'd like to "meet" them,then
visit www.aspectsofexmoor.com and look at the "About me" page....

 
 K

Man you said it. My father used to have a Welsh Border Collie called Bryn
(absolutley the most gorgeous and friendly dog ever - also the best trained
we've ever had) and he was my weight loss program. Unfortunately he now has
a dachshund/terrier cross (dachshund shaped but slightly longer legs) who
walks very short distances very slowly - and I'm gaining weight. Still my
dad does live alone now and is at work all day - a border collie would go
nuts from boredom whereas Fred's day consists of moving from one sleeping
place to the next.


My my your two are gorgeous aren't they?

K
 

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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sun Apr 17 12:38:38 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:38:38 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Border collies rule OK?
In-Reply-To: <d3t0g9+hvcu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPEEFCCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Geoff - they are beautiful, epically the smaller dog. Really fabulous.

I can't work out the left/right thing, I think it should be Dan but more
likely to be Jodie!

Lovely place you live in.

storm
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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sun Apr 17 12:45:59 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:45:59 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re:  Asperser's Syndrome (moved from Main List)
In-Reply-To: <d3sjmo+an7a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPOEFCCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Catlady,

Any of the Autism spectrum disorders cover a huge amount of experiences and
diagnosis can be contentious depending on who is doing the diagnosing.
Because there is not 'test' any diagnosis is based on behaviour, which can
be effected by diet, parental raising style, experiences etc etc etc .....
And of course it depends on the specialist you are seeing, what they
specialise in and their interest. In my work I have contact with a number of
families who have children who have been diagnosed with asperser's. It's a
hard row to hoe.

a really great book (fiction) about a young man with asperser's is The
Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time by Mark Haddon.

cheers

storm
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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sun Apr 17 12:48:39 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:48:39 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: TH, costumes, dogs
In-Reply-To: <d3s3gg+9j5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPEEFDCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>


My friend's late dog was a Sheltie/spaniel cross who was the perfect
dog. As smart as a Border Collie and with herding ability, but much
easier to entertain -- he wanted humans to throw tennis balls for him
to fetch and return, but when he ran out of willing humans, he would
go to sleep on a sofa cushion. When I and my then two cats lived there
for a month, Fuzzy herded my cats, after which all three would go to
sleep on 'my' bed together.

storm:
that's a very cute story. I wish my monsters were that civilized.

storm and 3 monsters and two lovely cats.






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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 13:21:04 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:21:04 -0000
Subject: Revelation TV mini series
In-Reply-To: <004201c54301$20f73f70$dd00000a@kelsy>
Message-ID: <d3tns0+8q5v@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kelsy" <hpfans at m...> wrote:
> They are re-airing this Sunday April 17th at 11 pm Eastern time. 

Tonks:

Thanks. I checked the TV listings for today (on Yahoo) and it says 
10:00pm.  Can't wait to see it!! Thanks again.

Tonks_op






From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Sun Apr 17 13:32:12 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:32:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Revelation TV mini series
References: <d3tns0+8q5v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009a01c54351$dd8e4e30$dd00000a@kelsy>

No problem. Child number two most likely will be up till 2 am again and this 
gives me a chance to really watch it. I tend to have to watch either very 
late at night or multiple times before I can actually say I saw a movie. The 
joys of having a child who A) doesn't sleep much, B) is curious about the 
world he lives in and C) has the energy level that would make the Energizer 
Bunny jealous. lol


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tonks" <tonks_op at yahoo.com>
> Tonks:
>
> Thanks. I checked the TV listings for today (on Yahoo) and it says
> 10:00pm.  Can't wait to see it!! Thanks again.
>
> Tonks_op




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 17 15:02:05 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 17 Apr 2005 15:02:05 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1113750125.14.39271.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 17, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sun Apr 17 21:06:03 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:06:03 -0000
Subject: Border collies rule OK?
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPEEFCCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <d3uj3r+f2i8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> wrote:
> Geoff - they are beautiful, epically the smaller dog. Really fabulous.
> 
> I can't work out the left/right thing, I think it should be Dan but 
more
> likely to be Jodie!
> 
> Lovely place you live in.
> 
> storm

Geoff:
Jodie is a 10 year old bitch and is on the left of the picture, Dan is 
an 8 year old dog and on the right. (This picture was taken some while 
ago).

We always tell our friends who confuse the dogs that Dan, as the junior 
of the two, has long socks while Jodie as the eldest has short socks.

They are very different in temperament. Jodie is very active and when 
we are out, she checks everyone we meet for sticks, stones or balls and 
if they're not in evidence - end of potential friendship. She is not a 
cuddly type.

Dan, by comparison, is very willing to be cuddled - he is also a 
womaniser! At home, he likes nothing better than to be lying on the 
floor with his head on someone's foot.






From kkersey at swbell.net  Mon Apr 18 13:46:09 2005
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:46:09 -0000
Subject: TH
In-Reply-To: <d3s3gg+9j5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d40dn1+j5dg@eGroups.com>


If you place your fingers on your throat you can easily feel the
difference between voiced and unvoiced consonants. 

Try these:

ffffffffff   (unvoiced)
vvvvvvvvvv   (voiced, you should be able to feel the buzz)

ssssssssss   (unvoiced)
zzzzzzzzzz   (voiced)

Then try the th words, but really drag out the 'th' part because the
vowels in the words will of course cause your voicebox to vibrate.

think, thick, etc (unvoiced th)
there, the, etc   (voiced th)

I can feel the difference when I do the ether/either pair, if I drag
out the th as I say it.

Hope this was helpful...

The other Karen






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Apr 18 14:57:34 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:57:34 -0000
Subject: TH, costumes, dogs
In-Reply-To: <d3s3gg+9j5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d40hsu+fnmh@eGroups.com>


Catlady wrote:
> 
> Geoff wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26897 :
> 
> << An unvoiced "th" is in words such as thin, think, thick >>
> 
> Do 'think'and 'thick' have the same 'th'? It doesn't sound the 
same to
> me as I experiment -- fin, fick, but sink not fink.

To me, they are identical.

> << whereas a voiced "th" is in words like the, then, thine. >>
> 
> De and den in Brooklynese, but I can't imagine saying 'dine' 
in 'For
> Dine is de kingdom and de power and de glory"... I sadly feel that 
the
> 'Continental' mispronunciation, despite all its bad connotations, 
is
> closer to the real pronuniction, ze, zen, zine.... 
> 
> << It's similar to things such as "v" being a voiced "f". >>
> 
> Lee told me that the minimum distinctive difference is found in
> "either" versus "ether" (eeever versus eeefer). So I gather that
> whether a particular 'th' sounds more like an F/V or an S/Z or a D 
has
> nothing to do with whether it is voiced or unvoiced?

No.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#Consonants

For definitions of the terms (bilabial etc) click on them.

As Karen ('the other Karen') has implied, the words 'voiced' 
and 'unvoiced' means exactly that: a voiced consonant is one in 
which you have used your vocal chords to make a noise.  I think it's 
quite easy if you pay attention to what your tongue, teeth, lips and 
throat are actually doing as you speak.

We can simplify (and approximate) the table on Wiki as follows:

Roughly speaking, we make consonants with three parts of the mouth: 
lips (labials), teeth/tongue (dental), and the palate at the back of 
the mouth (velar) - in some languages finer distinctions are 
necessary, hence all the blanks in the table.

Plosives are those sounds which can only last an instant.  If 
labial, they are p (unvoiced) and b (voiced); dental, t and d 
(ditto); velar, k and g (as in dog).

Nasals are those where you breathe out through the nose (see, this 
terminology is not so abstruse, it's common *sense*) as you make the 
noise: m, n, ng.  They are necessarily voiced.

Fricatives are where you blow air through the mouth as you make the 
same or similar motion as you would for the corresponding plosive.  
As you can see from the table, it's here that English gets 
complicated, because we put our tongues in places that we don't for 
the other sounds.  And we don't bother with the voiced velar 
fricative - a noise you should be able to make for yourself now if 
you have been following, pretty well as in 'ugh'.  So f and v almost 
correspond (not quite because we use teeth plus lips instead of lips 
alone) to p and b; s and z to t and d, and ch as in loch to k.  In 
addition we have the two forms of th, and sh and the sound 
represented by s in 'pleasure'

That leaves the two forms of l (limit, ill), and r and y (yet).

There you are.  Something we would not even bother to spend time 
discussing if our schools took a couple of hours of English lessons 
to teach it at age 12.  It's so easy that by the time you were 3 you 
didn't even know you were doing it.

David, who thinks another few hours on the phonetic alphabet would 
transform the performance of anglo-saxons at foreign languages






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 16:51:40 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:51:40 -0000
Subject: Revelation TV mini series SPOILER
In-Reply-To: <009a01c54351$dd8e4e30$dd00000a@kelsy>
Message-ID: <d40ois+mvn3@eGroups.com>


Amazing how so many people can see the same thing and report 
something so differently.  Now I have finally seen it from the 
beginning and never left the room, it makes sense. 

So here is the plot so far for anyone that missed it and want to see 
the next episode on Wed. night, NBC 9:00pm EST.



A Professor (astrophysicist who lectures about the scientific 
explanations for events in the bible, thereby discounting the bible) 
has a 12 year old daughter who is kidnapped, tortured and killed by 
a satanic cult. They use her heart for a ritual; we don't see it and 
don't know what it means. The Professor ends up in a South American 
country (I think he looks for and finds or someone finds the killer) 
Meanwhile a nun (who works for a group funded by a religious 
fundamentalist looking for signs of the end times) is also in the 
South American country filming an event that has drawn locals.  This 
event is the shadow of Christ on the cross against a mountain when 
there is nothing to cause a shadow.  On the airplane back we have 
the Prof., the killer and his guard and the nun.

Meanwhile back in the US, a girl has an argument with her father 
about what she is wearing to school.  Actually she has some sort a 
of tattoo on her belly and her father tell her to cover it up or 
wash it off.  I couldn't see what the tattoo was.  The girl misses 
the bus and runs to school across the golf course and gets hit by 
lightning.  She is in a coma in a hospital and a priest comes to 
give last rites, because she is brain dead.  They are keeping her 
alive to harvest her organs for transplant.  Her mouth starts moving 
and the priest notices and hears her speaking in Latin, quoting the 
bible.  The priest calls the nun who comes to investigate.  The 
comatose girl draws a picture.  Somehow the Nun knows that only the 
Prof. can help and she goes to him. The picture is somehow connected 
to Galileo. 

The Prof. doesn't want to get involved. He says that the satanic 
cult is after him. He keeps the picture and sends her away. He looks 
up the foundation on the internet and discovers the Nun's sister 
killed herself when she was part of a cult following a false 
Messiah.  

The Prof. goes to visit the killer and the killer is like a DE.  He 
says his *father* is "the one who can not die" and tells the Prof. 
that he (the killer) cannot bleed.  He cuts off his finger to prove 
it and there is no blood. 

The Prof. goes home.  He looks at the drawing by the comatose girl.  
It has in it the same picture that his daughter drew for him years 
ago (a strange looking donkey, for Don Quixote and she called her 
father that.  It was something just between the two of them).  He 
calls the Nun and they meet at the airport.  He is going to the 
bedside of the girl. The Nun tells him that a judge has postponed 
the harvesting of the organs for 72 hours.

He gets to the hospital. Again decides that he doesn't want to get 
involved in this or something.  He asked the Nun how she knows about 
the picture that his daughter gave him. He is suspicious.  The Nun 
says that it is the sprit of his daughter talking through the 
comatose girl. The Prof. does believe her. Then the priest comes 
running to tell them that the girl's heart is failing and the 
medical people are going to take the organs now.  The Prof. drops 
his suitcase and runs to the room.  While the others argue over what 
to do, in all the confusion he takes the girl's hand and remembers 
his daughter's funeral and in that moment of his feeling the love he 
has for his own daughter as he is holding the girls hand, the girl 
comes back to life.  I think that she is still in a coma, however.  
It stops there.

Now this last scene reminds me of the possession in the MoM in HP 
and the love in Harry that saved him as he remembered the death of --
-.

Also interspersed throughout all of this is another place in the 
ocean or sea where a ship does down and everyone is killed except a 
baby boy. The boy ends up on a Greek island and is baptized by Greek 
Orthodox priest in what looks like an Orthodox monastery. (We are 
led to think that he is Christ returned.)

Tonks_op







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 19 03:27:31 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:27:31 -0000
Subject: Action Figures: The Next Big Thing!
Message-ID: <d41tr3+v8qj@eGroups.com>


Just watch for the white smoke:

http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11147.html

  - CMC






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 19 03:29:41 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:29:41 -0000
Subject: MIA: Fantastic Posts, TBAY, HP4GU History
Message-ID: <d41tv5+vdlq@eGroups.com>


Earlier today, I tried linking to TBAY guide, and it came up missing. 
Penny and Cindy's history of HP4GU is also gone, and the Fantastic 
Posts likewise draws a blank. Are these files off-line temporarily (I 
hope) or gone for good?

  - CMC






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 19 13:16:50 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:16:50 -0000
Subject: MIA: Fantastic Posts, TBAY, HP4GU History
In-Reply-To: <d41tv5+vdlq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d430c2+drns@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at w...> 
wrote:
> 
> Earlier today, I tried linking to TBAY guide, and it came up missing. 
> Penny and Cindy's history of HP4GU is also gone, and the Fantastic 
> Posts likewise draws a blank. Are these files off-line temporarily (I 
> hope) or gone for good?
> 
>   - CMC

Not gone for good, CMC!  There have been ongoing problems with the 
hpfgu.org.uk site that the techie members of the Admin Team have been 
working to address.  Sorry 'bout that.

At least I can offer *some* good news -- the FAQ file at the Main list 
was updated over this past weekend to reflect what JKR has revealed at 
her site.  It can be found in Files > Admin_Files.

Shorty Elf







From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 19 15:39:44 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:39:44 -0000
Subject: MIA: Fantastic Posts, TBAY, HP4GU History
In-Reply-To: <d430c2+drns@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d438o0+52sh@eGroups.com>


Shorty Elf:
Not gone for good, CMC!  There have been ongoing problems with the 
hpfgu.org.uk site that the techie members of the Admin Team have been 
working to address.  Sorry 'bout that.
 
At least I can offer *some* good news -- the FAQ file at the Main list 
was updated over this past weekend to reflect what JKR has revealed at 
her site.  It can be found in Files > Admin_Files.

Jen: 
I'm so glad to hear the issue may be resolved soon. I thought it was 
my homepage messing up since the Yahoo switch, didn't realize everyone 
was having difficulty accessing the features on the homepage. Darn 
Yahoo, anyway. 






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 19 15:47:27 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:47:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes x 2!
Message-ID: <20050419154727.82914.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com>

*staggers in under the weight of two cakes, streamers
trailing from under one arm*

I know, I know, I'm a bit late!

Yesterday's birthday honourees were Kelsey Cartweel
and Claire Carwright. Belated birthday owls can be
sent care of this list or directly to Kelsey at:
kcartweel at yahoo.com and to Claire at:
hecate92 at hotmail.com

I hope both of you had magical days filled with joy
and fun.

Happy Birthday, Kelsey!
Happy Birthday, Claire!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 03:42:19 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:42:19 -0000
Subject: HBP
Message-ID: <d44j2r+hkbi@eGroups.com>


Hey Guys!!
How's it going? I hope you're all great. Anyway, i've been away for a 
few weeks, mostly because i'm kinda tired to read the same theories 
again and again, i can't wait for HBP!! I was just wandering, has the 
admin team decided for how long eill the list closure will be? Also, 
will there be any order to place the posts, like we did in OoP with a 
weekly discussion chapter, or discussion character? 

Also, does anyone know if Amazon is sending the books before july 16th 
in order for them to arrive to us on july 16th? I ordered mine weeks 
ago and i was just hoping i wouldn't have to rush to the bookstore, i 
wanted to arrive at home and read it on my pj's all day long.

Juli






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Apr 20 11:50:34 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:50:34 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d44j2r+hkbi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d45fma+25sf@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys!!
> How's it going? I hope you're all great. Anyway, i've been away for a 
> few weeks, mostly because i'm kinda tired to read the same theories 
> again and again, i can't wait for HBP!! I was just wandering, has the 
> admin team decided for how long eill the list closure will be?

There's a poll on HP4GU asking listees how long they think the list 
should be closed down.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/surveys?id=1748067

So far, it's neck and neck between 45 hours and 60 hours. 

> 
> Also, does anyone know if Amazon is sending the books before july 
16th 
> in order for them to arrive to us on july 16th? I ordered mine weeks 
> ago and i was just hoping i wouldn't have to rush to the bookstore, i 
> wanted to arrive at home and read it on my pj's all day long.
> 
Amazon is promising delivery on July 16 - I'm not sure about how their 
delivery system - perhaps they use the "Accio" spell. 

    - CMC






From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Wed Apr 20 15:20:43 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:20:43 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP
References: <d45fma+25sf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <037901c545bc$84a82f30$dd00000a@kelsy>

I know that most of the major book chains get the books in the warehouses a 
few weeks before the release date and ship them to the stores a few days 
before.
Also with Amazon don't count on having it on the release date. The last one 
I ordered as soon as I had a release date from Amazon. I never did get my 
copy from them. They credited my account for it, since they messed up. I did 
manage to find a Waldens Books that had one copy left on the release day.
My hubby already preordered through Waldens so I can pcik up a copy on July 
16th.

>>
> Amazon is promising delivery on July 16 - I'm not sure about how their
> delivery system - perhaps they use the "Accio" spell.
>
>    - CMC



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From seuferer at netins.net  Wed Apr 20 16:24:08 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:24:08 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 34 is up
Message-ID: <d45vn8+g6vs@eGroups.com>


Chapter 34 is up on FFN as of yesterday  New Beginnings.  Chapters 35
and 36 are in the capable hands of my awesome Beta.  I had very much
fun with this chapter, a fun conversation between Severus and Remus.

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama. After
OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but before Half Blood Prince
(hmm, is that one word, halfblood, or two?); so AU to that book when
it arrives, Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in DE activities
because of his OotP Spy role, a researcher from Ministry offers to aid
and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's Master
whom she knew slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way
too much plot for those of you who want PWP.) WIP Rated for later
chapters.

Here are the links again:
http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

Again I will remind everyone that the story has been more thoroughly
'polished' at FFN, because I find it more user friendly to my
technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in the 'lemons' on AFN.

I am eventually going to get around to submitting it to Syncophanthex
in Occlumency, but haven't gotten there yet.  I feel like I want to
wait until it's 'done' before then.  Some of my chapters turn out
lengthier than I had expected, so that I end up splitting what was
intended as one chapter into two (Like the upcoming 35 and 36) so I
can't tell you exactly how many chapters are remaining, but we are
about 2/3 to 3/4 complete with the story.

Hope you enjoy. Like probably the majority of fanfic authors, I thrive
on reviews.  Especially when real-life makes me neglect my writing--my
reviews get me to do it by making me feel guilty for neglecting my
'fans'. (Do I get to count my reviewers as fans?)   So, at the risk of
sounding pathetic... Please Review! :)

Lisa, AKA Shanti






From swartell at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 16:49:16 2005
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050420164916.34241.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Kelsy <hpfans at mamakelsy.net> wrote:
> Also with Amazon don't count on having it on the
> release date. The last one 
> I ordered as soon as I had a release date from
> Amazon. I never did get my 
> copy from them. 

I ordered OoP from Amazon, and got it delivered, as
promised, on the day of release.  It was
mid-afternoon, but that was not a problem for me. 
Even when eagerly awaiting a treat like that, I can
generally keep myself happily occupied.  And the
saving of my time for things I would rather do than
deal with traffic and crowds and stand in line made it
all the more satisfactory.  YMMV

Sue

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From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Wed Apr 20 17:01:27 2005
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:01:27 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d44j2r+hkbi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d461t7+knst@eGroups.com>


 
> Also, does anyone know if Amazon is sending the books before july 
16th 
> in order for them to arrive to us on july 16th? I ordered mine weeks 
> ago and i was just hoping i wouldn't have to rush to the bookstore, 
i 
> wanted to arrive at home and read it on my pj's all day long.
> 
> Juli

Amazon usually doesn't do Saturday deliverys unless you pay for it. I 
think they've found a lot of people not ordering because of that so 
they've gone out of their way to make sure people know the books will 
be delivered on the day it comes out.

I know that with OOtP I pre-ordered late in the game and refused to 
pay the extra shipping for fast delivery. I still got the book on the 
release date and was very surprised.

Casey






From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Wed Apr 20 17:05:32 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:05:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP
References: <20050420164916.34241.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03e501c545cb$295c7550$dd00000a@kelsy>

LOL yeah well it was released when? I never got my book. It hasn't ever 
arrived. Amazon has no clue where it went. lol
I personnally think the delivery guy wanted to read it. lmao

>
> I ordered OoP from Amazon, and got it delivered, as
> promised, on the day of release.  It was
> mid-afternoon, but that was not a problem for me.
> Even when eagerly awaiting a treat like that, I can
> generally keep myself happily occupied.  And the
> saving of my time for things I would rather do than
> deal with traffic and crowds and stand in line made it
> all the more satisfactory.  YMMV
>



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From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 17:54:31 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:54:31 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d44j2r+hkbi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4650n+6qs5@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
SNIP SNIP
> Also, does anyone know if Amazon is sending the books before july 
16th 
> in order for them to arrive to us on july 16th? I ordered mine weeks 
> ago and i was just hoping i wouldn't have to rush to the bookstore, i 
> wanted to arrive at home and read it on my pj's all day long.
> 
> Juli

I saw somewhere, I'm pretty sure at TLC, it was reported
that Amazon was guaranteeing July 16th delivery for HBP, 
and anyone who didn't get it delivered on that day would
get a refund.  However, it didn't elaborate if the refund
would be the purchase price or shipping charges.  It also
didn't clarify that you would get a refund if it was 
delivered late or not delivered at all.  Double check TLC.
I think you'll be able to see the report I'm trying really
hard to remember all the details of.
Sharon






From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 18:38:54 2005
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:38:54 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d4650n+6qs5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d467ju+35jh@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at y...> wrote:

> 
> I saw somewhere, I'm pretty sure at TLC, it was reported
> that Amazon was guaranteeing July 16th delivery for HBP, 
> and anyone who didn't get it delivered on that day would
> get a refund.  However, it didn't elaborate if the refund
> would be the purchase price or shipping charges.  It also
> didn't clarify that you would get a refund if it was 
> delivered late or not delivered at all.  Double check TLC.
> I think you'll be able to see the report I'm trying really
> hard to remember all the details of.
> Sharon

I've preordered mine through Amazon, because I'm too tired to stay up
for our "local" (i.e., town 30 minute drive away) midnight release
party, and they recently sent me a "You WILL get your book on the
16th!" letter.  They *will* send it out on the 15th in order for it to
arrive on the 16th.  They *will* give you a refund if it doesn't
arrive on the 16th, but it will only be for the purchase price, not
for shipping.  Now, it may be delivered at the end of the postal
worker's work day (5pm?  6pm?), but if it's not delivered on the 16th,
you'll get a refund.

Now... I have no idea HOW you can document the fact that you didn't
receive it on the 16th, nor how difficult it will be to apply for your
refund... but that's what they told me in my letter.

-Jen, who has blocked off the whole weekend - and that husband of mine
better watch those kids of mine!






From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Wed Apr 20 18:55:12 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:55:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP
References: <d467ju+35jh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <046101c545da$7b730610$dd00000a@kelsy>

If I am remembering correctly, I think they use UPS to deliver most of what 
I have ordered from Amazon in the past. Amazon better not be using the USPS 
around here since they just delivered a letter to me today that was post 
marked in the city back in October. Letter was also dated October. Otherwise 
many people around here will be getting refunds from Amazon.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at yahoo.com>

> Now... I have no idea HOW you can document the fact that you didn't
> receive it on the 16th, nor how difficult it will be to apply for your
> refund... but that's what they told me in my letter.
>
> -Jen, who has blocked off the whole weekend - and that husband of mine
> better watch those kids of mine!



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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 20 19:11:37 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:11:37 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d467ju+35jh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d469h9+7f7t@eGroups.com>


Sharon:
> > I saw somewhere, I'm pretty sure at TLC, it was reported
> > that Amazon was guaranteeing July 16th delivery for HBP, 
> > and anyone who didn't get it delivered on that day would
> > get a refund.  


Jen P.:
> I've preordered mine through Amazon, because I'm too tired to stay 
> up for our "local" (i.e., town 30 minute drive away) midnight 
> release party, and they recently sent me a "You WILL get your book 
> on the 16th!" letter.  They *will* send it out on the 15th in order 
> for it to arrive on the 16th.  They *will* give you a refund if it 
> doesn't arrive on the 16th, but it will only be for the purchase 
> price, not for shipping.  Now, it may be delivered at the end of 
> the postal worker's work day (5pm?  6pm?), but if it's not 
> delivered on the 16th, you'll get a refund.
> 
> Now... I have no idea HOW you can document the fact that you didn't
> receive it on the 16th, nor how difficult it will be to apply for 
> your refund... but that's what they told me in my letter.


SSSusan:
I order books for a living (yes, it's fun!), and Jen is right about 
this.  There is a cutoff date of July 11 for this promise.  They warn 
you that, since it's a Saturday delivery date, you need to adjust 
your Ship To address so that it's *not* a commercial address if there 
won't be anyone there to accept the package.  It also does *not* 
apply if you select their "Free Super Saver Shipping" option but 
*does* apply with the Standard, Two-Day or One-Day Shipping options.

I ordered from Amazon last time and, while I can't speak for what 
courier service they use everywhere, I know for a fact that mine came 
USPS, not UPS or FedEx.  

Normally I recommend Barnes & Noble as highly, if not more highly, 
than Amazon.  However, their blurb for HBP says "We will deliver this 
item on or just after the release date of July 16."  When I saw that, 
I went to Amazon to order my copy.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From gbannister10 at aol.com  Wed Apr 20 21:11:26 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:11:26 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d45fma+25sf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d46ghu+shtu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at w...> 
wrote:

> Amazon is promising delivery on July 16 - I'm not sure about how 
their 
> delivery system - perhaps they use the "Accio" spell. 
> 
>     - CMC

Geoff:
I sincerely hope they don't or the books will go whizzing back to them. 
:-)

We're the ones who need to use "Accio"!






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 21:27:11 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:27:11 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <046101c545da$7b730610$dd00000a@kelsy>
Message-ID: <d46hff+s30d@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kelsy" <hpfans at m...> wrote:
> If I am remembering correctly, I think they use UPS to deliver 
most of what I have ordered from Amazon in the past. Amazon better 
not be using the USPS around here since they just delivered a letter 
to me today that was post marked in the city back in October. Letter 
was also dated October. Otherwise many people around here will be 
getting refunds from Amazon.
>
Snip
 
*****\(@@)/*****

I ordered OoP from Amazon last time and also thought UPS was going 
to deliver it that Saturday and kept looking for the big brown van 
but what came (in the afternoon I might add!) was a white minivan 
that I thought was some sort of Express delivery. I can't remember 
what was on it but I didn't see UPS anywhere. The van was full of 
books and the guy acted like a grumpy santa stopping long enough to 
give me my book and take off again. He looked like he had a long way 
to go yet and was not happy about it - there were an awful lot of 
books in there! 
I was already nearly half way through the book by the time that one 
got delivered because Hubby had been kind enough to go out and look 
for a book for me at midnight - of all things a grocery store chain 
had them in and NO WAITING - it was first come, first serve after 
midnight and Hubby even got me the box the books came in! I am not 
sure I will try the same thing this time, possibly I will just wait 
until the afternoon delivery - or maybe not!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 20 22:25:13 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:25:13 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d46hff+s30d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d46ks9+ufbg@eGroups.com>


Dudemom:

> I ordered OoP from Amazon last time and also thought UPS was going 
> to deliver it that Saturday and kept looking for the big brown van 
> but what came (in the afternoon I might add!) was a white minivan 
> that I thought was some sort of Express delivery. I can't remember 
> what was on it but I didn't see UPS anywhere. The van was full of 
> books and the guy acted like a grumpy santa stopping long enough 
to 
> give me my book and take off again. He looked like he had a long 
way 
> to go yet and was not happy about it - there were an awful lot of 
> books in there! 
> I was already nearly half way through the book by the time that 
one 
> got delivered because Hubby had been kind enough to go out and 
look 
> for a book for me at midnight - of all things a grocery store 
chain 
> had them in and NO WAITING - it was first come, first serve after 
> midnight and Hubby even got me the box the books came in! I am not 
> sure I will try the same thing this time, possibly I will just 
wait 
> until the afternoon delivery - or maybe not!


SSSusan:
I got one of those boxes last time, too!!  There is an RR Donnelley 
plant in my home town, and they're one of the two companies which 
prints the HPs in North America.  A co-worker's husband is a CSR 
there, and she gave me one. :-)

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get a copy at midnight -- or early 
in the a.m. of the 16th -- at our local Kroger (grocery chain) or 
Wal-Mart (which I've heard might stay open for the midnight 
release), because I live in a town of only 17K.  Just not the 
competition for snagging copies that there is in a big metropolis, 
you know?

But I'd like to have two copies anyway, since my daughter will want 
one of her own, too.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From kkersey at swbell.net  Thu Apr 21 17:20:39 2005
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:20:39 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d46ks9+ufbg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d48nd7+cjnv@eGroups.com>


I'm getting my copy from our church bookstore - we're having a release
party at the reasonable hour of 9 a.m. (Reasonable for us parents of
younger kids, anyway!) We did this for OoP and it was so much fun -
lots of games, food, and we decorated the hall to look like Hogwarts
(sort of!). 

Anyway, about Amazon - I think my mom told me that they had called her
several weeks ago about working in the warehouse again (she temped
there while between jobs a couple of years back). Don't think they
gave her an exact start date, but I expect that they'll have all those
preorders packed, labeled, and sorted down to the truck they'll be
delivered in well before July 16.

The other Karen






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 21 20:33:19 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050421203319.63228.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com>



CMC wrote: Amazon is promising delivery on July 16 - I'm not sure about how their delivery system - perhaps they use the "Accio" spell. 


Geoff:
I sincerely hope they don't or the books will go whizzing back to them. :-)

We're the ones who need to use "Accio"!
 
 
Kemper now:
If the book doesn't "accio" to Kemper, Kemper will "accio" to the book.  I'm headed to Powell's sometime on the 15th, eating some yummy Ben & Jerry's ice-cream (Half-Baked).  I'll answer my sister's phone call sometime after 11pm, and she will tell me the chapter names as I wait in line.  I'm all a flutter just thinking about it.
 
Kemper

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Fri Apr 22 10:06:55 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:06:55 -0000
Subject: Amazon delivery
In-Reply-To: <20050421203319.63228.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d4aibv+fd7h@eGroups.com>


I ordered OotP from Amazon UK and it arrived on the very morning at 
08:30, while we were all still in bed (I believe it was a Saturday).  
You have never seen a woman streak down those stairs so fast (after 
first opening the bedroom window and yelling down to the postman not to 
go!)
Amazon Uk don't seem to have a problem delivering on a Saturday (in 
fact most of the stuff I order tends to come on a Saturday).  Is July 
16th a Saturday? (can't be bothered to check just now).

Has anyone read Shadowmancer?  I'm just at the beginning, and finding 
it a bit heavy (but then, you all know I'm not a big reader, so Barney 
could be heavy for me!)  Does it get easier - will I be rewarded for my 
efforts?

Sarah xx






From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 22 14:07:50 2005
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dream about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <1114169433.1743.31599.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050422140750.62652.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com>


Hey all,

Last night I had a weird and rather teasing dream.  I was in some bookstore and saw that they had Half Blood Prince out on a stand BEFORE July 16th.  I think that the reason for this was that they had some sort of trust in their customers not to open the book before July 16th. HAHAHA yeah right.  So I peeked over my shoulders, snuck over to the stand, picked up a copy, and opened the book to a page that said, "The Half-Blood Prince is Fawkes."  AHA! I thought, and slammed the book shut to put it back because I couldn't take any more spoilers.  I looked up only to find that J.K. ROWLING HAD BEEN WATCHING ME THE ENTIRE TIME.

I felt so ashamed.  ;)

Just thought I'd share.

Needing to get her mind off Harry Potter,

Christine


		
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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Fri Apr 22 14:29:21 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:29:21 -0000
Subject: Dream about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <20050422140750.62652.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d4b1o1+6ugh@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Christine Acker 
<hphgrwlca at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Last night I had a weird and rather teasing dream.  I was in some 
bookstore and saw that they had Half Blood Prince out on a stand 
BEFORE July 16th.  I think that the reason for this was that they had 
some sort of trust in their customers not to open the book before 
July 16th. HAHAHA yeah right.  So I peeked over my shoulders, snuck 
over to the stand, picked up a copy, and opened the book to a page 
that said, "The Half-Blood Prince is Fawkes."  AHA! I thought, and 
slammed the book shut to put it back because I couldn't take any more 
spoilers.  I looked up only to find that J.K. ROWLING HAD BEEN 
WATCHING ME THE ENTIRE TIME.
> 
> I felt so ashamed.  ;)
> 
> Just thought I'd share.
> 
> Needing to get her mind off Harry Potter,
> 
> Christine

Geoff:
I would suggest that, until 16th July, you forego eating Harry Potter 
flavour crisps and Cheddar cheese for your supper.
:-)








From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 22 14:35:29 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine!
Message-ID: <20050422143529.57631.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com>

*hangs the last of the streamers, carefully placed to
frame many pictures of Alan Rickman on the walls*

Someone help me? Please? There's a cake in next room
that needs to be brought in. Thanks. :)

Today's honouree is Catherine. Birthday owls can be
sent care of this list or directly to Catherine at:
catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk

I hope you day was filled with fun, magic, good
friends and good food.

Happy Birthday, Catherine!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf (who will be meeting
Catherine at last in a few weeks time!)

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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 22 16:46:04 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:46:04 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine!
In-Reply-To: <20050422143529.57631.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d4b9oc+j0uu@eGroups.com>


Sheryll:
> *hangs the last of the streamers, carefully placed to
> frame many pictures of Alan Rickman on the walls*
> 
> Someone help me? Please? There's a cake in next room
> that needs to be brought in. Thanks. :)
> 
> Today's honouree is Catherine.


SSSusan:
With an intro like THAT [Alan Rickman on the walls!], how can I *not* 
offer to help carry in the cake, Sheryll?  Can I join you two... 
pretty please? :-)  

Happy birthday, Catherine!

Siriusly Snapey Susan, who would like to say that she thinks that HP 
dream Christine had was cool!








From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri Apr 22 17:59:11 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:59:11 -0000
Subject: Dream about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <20050422140750.62652.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d4be1f+h0g0@eGroups.com>


I'm sitting at my desk at work, board out of my mind, conjuring up 
some bizarre thoughts.

Thinking back to the days when Richard Harris played Dumbledore, I 
can imagine him addressing the students in the great hall.  I see 
Dumbledore standing, most of the students and teachers giving him 
their utmost attention.  Suddenly, the bearded old wizard bursts 
into song:

Spring was never waiting for us, girl 
It ran one step ahead 
As we followed in the dance 
Between the parted pages and were pressed 
In love's hot, fevered iron 
Like a striped pair of pants 

MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark 
All the sweet, green icing flowing down 
Someone left the cake out in the rain 
I don't think that I can take it 
'Cause it took so long to bake it 
And I'll never have that recipe again 
Oh, no! 

While it was about 37 years ago that Harris recorded this famous 
Webb creation, I have these weird thoughts that this would have made 
one interesting music video.

Joe











From Ali at zymurgy.org  Fri Apr 22 19:13:29 2005
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:13:29 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005 press release: new Guest Speaker and Trial of Snape
Message-ID: <d4bicp+8d9p@eGroups.com>


Accio UK is delighted to announce Professor Edmund Kern as a guest
speaker as part of our balanced programme of events for the Accio
2005 conference being held in Reading, UK. His presentation is
entitled

"The Phoenix in Harry Potter: the Metaphoric Power of the Past"


Edmund M. Kern is the author of The Wisdom of Harry Potter: What Our
Favorite Hero Teaches Us About Moral Choices (Prometheus Books,
September 2003) and "Harry Potter, Stoic Boy Wonder" Professor Kern
received his Ph.D. in Early Modern European History from the
University of Minnesota, and he is currently Chair of the Department
of History at Lawrence University in Appleton, Wisconsin, where he
has taught since 1992.. He has served as a media consultant on
witchcraft and witch-hunting, historical and modern paganism, and
the roots of Halloween. In addition to continuing work on other
projects, he is completing Witchcraft and the Confessional State, a
book on religion and politics in European witchcraft-trials.

*********************************************************************

Accio is also delighted to invite all its delegates to participate
in its show trial of Severus Snape. The trial will take place with
the Potions Master in absentia. He will be tried on the following 4
counts (a Ron style explanation is provided on our website)

1. That the accused did, feloniously, treasonously and with
malice aforethought, combine with others to support the most bloody,
abhominable and beastly cause of the notorious, prescribed and
avowed traitor Thomas Marvolo Riddle, sometime called Lord Voldemort;

2. That the accused did, feloniously, treasonously and with
malice aforethought, voluntarily accept membership within a
prescribed and illegal organisation, vulgarly termed "the Death
Eaters";

3. That the accused, feloniously, treasonously and with malice
aforethought, continues as a member in said illegal organisation

4. That the accused has on divers occasions and under the guise
of lawful chastisement committed assault and battery on minors
in respect of whom he was in loco parentis, such assault and
battery being occasioned by divers magical and physical means,
and resulting in perceptible physical and psychological harm to
the said minors.

To successfully try Severus Snape the Accio team needs you! We
therefore cordially extend an invitation to all attendees to
participate in this event. Further details are available on our
website: http://www.accio.org.uk/snapestrial.shtml

Accio UK is the first conference of its kind in the UK and will be
held at Reading University from July 29th-31st 2005. It is an
unofficial, non-profit making, friendly event that will bring
together academics and adult Harry Potter fans to discuss all
aspects of J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series. Planned events
include presentations, panels, speeches, games, a feast, and
informal discussions into the small hours. All meals are also
included in the registration fees.

It is recommended that you book prior to 30th April 2005 to take
advantage of current prices. An instalment plan is available until
the month end.

For further information please see our website:
http://www.accio.org.uk. Details of how to register can be found
here: http://www.accio.org.uk/registration.shtml


This conference is an unofficial event and is not endorsed or
sanctioned by Warner Bros., the Harry Potter book publishers or J.K.
Rowling and her representatives















From madettebeau at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 03:33:13 2005
From: madettebeau at gmail.com (miasbo)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:33:13 -0000
Subject: Dream about Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <20050422140750.62652.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d4cflp+a1s4@eGroups.com>


Oh...I once had a HBP dream, too.

I dreampt that the cover of the book was all beige and red, and was
only about the size of CoS.

I started to flip through the pages, and caught the line "'Harry's
switching to Ravenclaw!' said Hermione." And predictably my reaction
was "What!?!?!" and then I felt horrible for having peaked ahead at
the book. But then all of a sudden, I *had* apparently read it. But I
didn't like it. In fact, it addressed absolutely nothing of any
importance. I thought "why would she tell us there would be a lot of
answers in book 6 and then just write a publish some random
fanfiction??" LOL.

And then the dream ended.

Interesting though, that we're so eager to read it we flip ahead to
find unusual spoilers! hehe.

=)
Maddy

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Christine Acker
<hphgrwlca at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Last night I had a weird and rather teasing dream.  I was in some
bookstore and saw that they had Half Blood Prince out on a stand
BEFORE July 16th.  I think that the reason for this was that they had
some sort of trust in their customers not to open the book before July
16th. HAHAHA yeah right.  So I peeked over my shoulders, snuck over to
the stand, picked up a copy, and opened the book to a page that said,
"The Half-Blood Prince is Fawkes."  AHA! I thought, and slammed the
book shut to put it back because I couldn't take any more spoilers.  I
looked up only to find that J.K. ROWLING HAD BEEN WATCHING ME THE
ENTIRE TIME.
> 
> I felt so ashamed.  ;)
> 
> Just thought I'd share.
> 
> Needing to get her mind off Harry Potter,
> 
> Christine
> 
> 
> 		
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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Apr 23 21:21:48 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:21:48 -0000
Subject: consonanats / MacArthur Park /  The Trial of Snape
Message-ID: <d4ee9c+43jo@eGroups.com>


Dave Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27034 :

<< Something we would not even bother to spend time discussing if our
schools took a couple of hours of English lessons to teach it at age
12. >>

I already didn't understand it at that age.

<< It's so easy that by the time you were 3 you didn't even know you
were doing it. >>

Like all the grammatical things, declensions and subjunctive and so
on. Like digestion, for that matter.

<< David, who thinks another few hours on the phonetic alphabet would
transform the performance of anglo-saxons at foreign languages >>

I thought the problem with learning foreign languages was grammar? 

Joe Bento wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27062 :

<< Suddenly, the bearded old wizard bursts
into song:

Spring was never waiting for us, girl
It ran one step ahead
As we followed in the dance
Between the parted pages and were pressed
In love's hot, fevered iron
Like a striped pair of pants

MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark
All the sweet, green icing flowing down
Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again
Oh, no! >>

I think DD might sing it better (i.e. less pompously) than Harris did.
While not as weird as "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!", the number
of people who claim that not understand it indicates that it might
well be weird enough for DD. Anyway, my real point is to nitpick:
"MacArthur Park", not 'MacArthur's Partk". It's a public park (with a
formerly real 'lake' with paddle-boats) just west of Downtown LA,
named after General MacArthur of World War II.

Ali (for Accio UK) wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27063 :

> ************************************************
*********************
> Accio is also delighted to invite all its delegates to participate
> in its show trial of Severus Snape. The trial will take place with
> the Potions Master in absentia. He will be tried on the following 4
> counts (a Ron style explanation is provided on our website)
>
> 3. That the accused, feloniously, treasonously and with malice
> aforethought, continues as a member in said illegal organisation

It's a lovely writ of indictment, but isn't there a great risk that it
will be rendered moot by HBP, especially the accusation that he is
still a Death Eater?






From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Apr 23 22:58:03 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:58:03 -0000
Subject: consonanats / MacArthur Park /  The Trial of Snape
In-Reply-To: <d4ee9c+43jo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4ejtr+7fbn@eGroups.com>


Hi Catlady,

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> 

> While not as weird as "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!", the number
> of people who claim that not understand it indicates that it might
> well be weird enough for DD. Anyway, my real point is to nitpick:
> "MacArthur Park", not 'MacArthur's Partk". It's a public park (with 

Yes, I'm actually aware of it being MacArthur.  If you listen to the
original Harris recording though, he distinctly says MacArthur's.

It has been voted one of the worst songs of all time.  While I'll
admit to being more partial to "Bad Girl" Donna Summer's 1978 disco
version, Harris did an outstanding job with all of Webb's compositions.

Bad song or not, the simile is amazing!  Just imagine:  ...as we
followed in the dance between the parted pages and were pressed
in love's hot, fevered iron, like a striped pair of pants.

Yes, if Professor Dumbledore recited this to his students, they would
certainly think the old wizard daft.

Joe







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 24 04:02:14 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 24 Apr 2005 04:02:14 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1114315334.23.61866.m23@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 24, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Apr 24 15:02:15 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 24 Apr 2005 15:02:15 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1114354935.22.40750.m30@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, April 24, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Sun Apr 24 23:20:21 2005
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (songbird3411)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:20:21 -0000
Subject: HBP delivery & Snape on Trial
In-Reply-To: <20050421203319.63228.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d4h9jl+dpuu@eGroups.com>


I ordered OOtP from Amazon and got it on the release day.  However, I 
do not remember which carrier delivered it.  In fact, I remember 
tracking the package online.  It was shipped over a week before the 
release date and apparently sat in my local post office for a few 
days.  Since I now work for a UPS subsidiary, I can certainly ask.  
Not to mention the fact that my roommate's mother is a USPS 
employee.  I will do some detecting and see what I come up with for 
HBP.

I can say that the reason Amazon rarely delivers on Saturday is 
because the majority of their shipping is done through UPS.  UPS only 
delivers overnight shipments on Saturdays unless in very special 
circumstances.  Anyway, I will certainly ask around at UPS and USPS 
to see what is going to happen with HBP.

Moving on, the concept of Snape on trial is an intriguing one.  I 
would be tempted to take the side of the prosecution because I don't 
really believe most of those assertions.  I would think the 
prosecution would be the more challenging side.  Do they have to 
prove the assertions beyond reasonable doubt?  Ah well, I agree with 
an earlier assessment here.  Sorry don't remember who said it.  A few 
of those charges could very well be rendered moot by HPB.  Certainly 
then the prosecution would be the more challenging side, eh?

Mindy  






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 25 12:05:30 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20050425120530.56022.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

*finishes blowing up the balloons and hangs the last
streamers with bandaged fingers*

Birthday elves is apparently bad at reading calendars
and sometimes see the numbers wrong (in this case,
seeing 23 as 25)

*blushes and gets on with the party announcement*

The birthday honouree for the 23rd was Leeann. Belated
birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to: libtax10375 at earthlink.net

I hope you day was filled with fun and the company of
good friends.

Happy Birthday, Leeann!

*exits to find an extra special birthday cake*

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 25 20:15:46 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:15:46 -0000
Subject: Poll on List Closure (HBP)
Message-ID: <d4jj5i+qua9@eGroups.com>


Greetings from Hexquarters!

This is a reminder that there is currently an advisory poll open on 
the main HPfGU list on the topic of HPfGU list closure at the release 
of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.  This poll will close on 
Monday, May 2, 2005, so if you have not yet registered your 
preference and would like to do so, please vote soon.  

The poll was announced here: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/126978  

You will find additional information about the list closure and links 
to helpful time zone information in that ADMIN.


The poll itself may be found at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/surveys?id=1748067 


If you have any comments to make about this issue, please do so at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback .
(You should read the instructions there on how to join if you are not
already a member of Feedback.)

Please do not attempt to reply to this message to cast your vote, as
poll votes are not collected via e-mail. You must go to the Yahoo!
Groups site listed above to cast your vote.

Thanks!

Shorty Elf, for the HPfGU Admin Team







From earendil_fr at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 21:42:16 2005
From: earendil_fr at yahoo.com (earendil_fr)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:42:16 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36ksq+ak46@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4p0vo+aklp@eGroups.com>


> bboyminn:
> 
> I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never seen
> another language where words are pronounce so differently than they
> are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in a word if
not
> to lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 
> 
> Example:  bour?geois (boor-zhw?) [should sound similar to
'gorgeous'
> but with a 'B' instead of the first 'G', and an odd inflection on
the
> second 'G'.]
> 
> Ok, I can get the odd 'G' pronunciation, just like I can get that
> 'J'='H' in Spanish (Juan = Hwan or Jesus = Hey-sous), but how on
earth
> does 'eois' become 'wa'. 


Earendil:
I'm terribly sorry to bring back this somewhat old topic; I'm a lurker
and I haven't been around for a little while. But I came across this
post and thought I'd take a few moments to try to explain why there
are so many useless/unpronounced letters in the French language.

As an exemple I will take the French word for 'finger': 'doigt', which
is pronounced 'dwa'. It could be spelled 'dwa' or 'doi', it would be
pronounced just the same. So why the 'gt' at the end? Because these
letters are remnants from the latin that also gave the English
'digital'.

Many unpronounced letters are remnants from latin or old French.
Sometimes, these unpronounced letters have disappeared and been
replaced by an accent, like the 's' in h?pital (for hospital) or
for?t
(for forest).

As for the example you mentioned: bour?geois (boor-zhw?)
I saw someone already explained the pronounciation, but I'll give it
another try.

Final letters are not, or rarely, pronounced, so let's forget the
final 's'. 'oi' is always pronounced 'wa'. The 'e' is an indication on
how to pronounce the previous 'g'.

Take the English pronounciation of 'Granger' for instance: the two
'g's are pronounced differently.

In French, if a 'g' is followed by 'a', 'o', 'u', or any consonant, it
will be pronounced like the first 'g' in Granger. However, if it's
followed by 'e', 'i' or 'y', it will be pronounced like the second 'g'
in Granger. So the 'e' in bourgeois is there as a clue to how to
pronounce the word. Without it, 'bourgois' would be pronounced
'boor-gwa'. The 'e' has been 'added' to change the pronounciation of
the 'g' and make it sound more like 'boor-jwa'. For the opposite
effect ('j' to solid 'g'), you add a 'u' behind the 'g'.

Sorry if I sounded too didactic... Anyway, many adult French native
speakers have a terrible spelling and would write a word for another
when both are pronounced the same way ("ces", "ses", "sais", "sait",
"c'est", just to name a few), so if you're a bit confused, just know
there are a lot of French native speakers who are confused too :-)


Earendil.






From Debby970095 at aol.com  Thu Apr 28 01:38:05 2005
From: Debby970095 at aol.com (Debby970095 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:38:05 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP at the Bookstore
Message-ID: <6d.44328f1b.2fa1987d@aol.com>

I know that this post is a little late and for that I am sorry. I happen to  
work for Toys "R" Us. They are pre selling the book through the end of June 
for  $19.99. If you pre order the book through them you will also get a T-Shirt  
exclusive though Toys "R" Us. It only comes in adult small though! Since I am 
no  where near an adult small I was thinking of cutting the print out and  
embroidering it on a larger shirt of the same size. Just thought I would put in  
my 2 knuts worth while I am not so patiently waiting the arrival of  HBP!!

Godrica Gryffindor
AKA Debby


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 16:03:16 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:03:16 -0400
Subject: Work got in Mac OS X 'Tiger' just now
Message-ID: <1a273840050429090340a0f13c@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

What amuses me is the OS comes out today but they even have a time too.

My boss is a fan of Mac products, so the newest upgrade had to be sent
today.  The FedEx guy just dropped off the OS box and this new
software has these things called 'widgets'. {snort}

Dude, I'm poor; I'm still using Win98SE.  Hm, I could always ask my
boss to get me a mini-Mac for Christmas.  LOL!  I'd rather have the
cash.

Dina



From ajiva at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 21:05:22 2005
From: ajiva at yahoo.com (Azeem Jiva)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:05:22 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d46ks9+ufbg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4u7ii+c82l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman"
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get a copy at midnight -- or early 
> in the a.m. of the 16th -- at our local Kroger (grocery chain) or 
> Wal-Mart (which I've heard might stay open for the midnight 
> release), because I live in a town of only 17K.  Just not the 
> competition for snagging copies that there is in a big metropolis, 
> you know?

Costco had hundreds of copies of OOTP, and there were kids sitting
around the books reading them :)  Easy to pick up while shopping!






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 29 23:37:38 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:37:38 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d4u7ii+c82l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4ugg2+hcpv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Azeem Jiva" <ajiva at y...> 
wrote:
>  
> Costco had hundreds of copies of OOTP, and there were kids sitting
> around the books reading them :)  Easy to pick up while shopping!

SSSusan:
Thanks for this tip.  I had my first-ever visit to a Costco yesterday, 
in Indianapolis, and it was fun.  I haven't signed on for a membership 
yet, but if I do, it's nice to know there's another alternative if my 
local stores don't have an adequate supply.