From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 21:38:45 2005
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:38:45 -0000
Subject: Shopping at Amazon (was Re: I'm new)
In-Reply-To: <20051124163330.39187.qmail@web86806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dmnqh5+p1u6@eGroups.com>

> Anne Marie Flynn: 
> >> I've actually got all my shopping done already (minus some 
> >> various grab bag gifts). I do all my shopping on line. I'm
> >> a big fan of amazon. That way, I don't have to deal with 
> >> retail at Christmas unless I run out of tape.
> 
> JAN X:
> My Christmas motto:
>    
> If you can't get it on Amazon, you can't have it.


Jan & Anne Marie-
I am a HUGE fan of shopping at Amazon.com too.  I've made all my 
friends and family make wishlists!  And I love the new gift 
organizer feature this year...it's coming in very handy for me! 
(have you USED it yet?!)

Happy holiday shopping! 
Lauren







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 01:14:29 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:14:29 -0800
Subject: Interesting RE: Hollywood's Greatest Villians (12/1 - US Cable)
Message-ID: <1a2738400512011714n33d057d5ue039c050e4da2df@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/05, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kathy pulled this info from a TV Guide:
> [[
> TV guide has listed that on next Thursday 12-1-05 on the History Channel 8
> p.m.
> Hollywood's Greatest Villians

I'm watching this now and it's fascinating how important the 'villain'
is and they're talking about how the villain can be the character that
brings 'humanity' to a story.

To place it into an HP context, look at the various discussions on...
Snape and Voldemort and even the Malfoys.  The flawed and selfish
characters bring elements stereotypical to the average person.  They
also make a person curious as to the reasons why they're the way they
are.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 03:31:33 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:31:33 -0800
Subject: Large HP slash groups MIA on Yahoogroups?
Message-ID: <1a2738400512011931l29793154m668aa2c07d1d7804@mail.gmail.com>

Huh, I think Glassesreflect, one of the largest HP slash groups, was
nuked by Yahoogroups. :-(  It's been around for 2-3 years.  I know
harry_potter_slash was another recent MIA but I also heard the
list-owner lost her entire account.  Snapeslash was among the earlier
'victims'.

Bummer, y'know, I really don't care for LiveJournal format** but
Yahoogroups really isn't helpful when they decide to nuke groups. 
While independent list servers mean creating more user/password
account hassles.

**LiveJournal has crappy *community* format, LJ is about *me*
individuality (hehe, fandom selfish), even the "community" journals
aren't as effective because not every member gets a copy of replies to
threads.  It's the 'who are my "friends" and who aren't my "friends"'
nature of LJ... {shudders}  Land O' Wank.

Dina



From nantray at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 03:43:57 2005
From: nantray at hotmail.com (remarkably_raven)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:43:57 -0000
Subject: I am curious.....
Message-ID: <dmoftt+7h3i@eGroups.com>

If any of you are interested in fan fiction based role playing games. 
I play on one, based of course on Harry Potter and would love it if 
some of you all joined in !

Come and have a peek
www.hogwartsbynight.com


Yours in Magic
Raven






From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec  3 21:40:57 2005
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:40:57 -0000
Subject: Yahoo nuking groups (Re: Large HP slash groups MIA on Yahoogroups?)
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400512011931l29793154m668aa2c07d1d7804@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dmt3d9+gjtl@eGroups.com>

Dina wrote:
> Huh, I think Glassesreflect, one of the largest HP slash groups, 
> was nuked by Yahoogroups. :-(  It's been around for 2-3 years.  
> I know harry_potter_slash was another recent MIA but I also 
> heard the list-owner lost her entire account.  Snapeslash was 
> among the earlier 'victims'.
> 
> Bummer, y'know, I really don't care for LiveJournal format** 
> but Yahoogroups really isn't helpful when they decide to nuke 
> groups. 

Hm; did the owners of those groups say straight out that the 
groups were deleted by Yah and they had no idea why?  The times 
I know of Yah deleting a group with no word to the owner were 
because they'd gotten a complaint from a user (legitimate or not: 
complaint = deleted group).  They used to react in basically a 
'shoot first, ask questions later' kind of way, and may still do 
this primarily for all I know, but they *have* been taking the 
wonderful new stance of taking input from their users (members, 
mods, owners), listening to us more, giving more weight to 
feedback, etc., in the last several months.

[I should add, the complaints were typically that the group was 
posting 'inappropriate' stuff and was not categorized as an 
'adult' group, and/or the group was doing something against Yah's 
TOS & Guidelines, not just of the 'they're being mean to me' 
variety. <g>]

Anyway, if these owners feel their groups were deleted in error, 
they should email Yah about it, and keep at them until they get a 
satisfactory reason or result.

--Kelley






From omphale at onetel.com  Sat Dec  3 23:29:35 2005
From: omphale at onetel.com (saraquel_omphale)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:29:35 -0000
Subject: GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
In-Reply-To: <dm95jd+41cf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dmt9ov+ffki@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:

> Which I took to mean that Neville either gathered the Gillyweed from
> some other source like Prof. Sprout, or it came from the students
> communal potions stores. Gillyweed, from the perspective of the 
books,
> seems unlikely to be in the students communal stores, but this is the
> movie and they need quick and easy explanations. 

Saraquel
I've only seen the movie once, it only came out here in OZ on Thursday 
last, but I seem to remember Crouch/Moody saying to Harry in the final 
scene in his office, that it was him that stole the gillyweed from 
Snape's office and 'gave' it to Neville - I put the word in inverted 
commas, because I'm not sure that I remember exactly what he said he 
did with it after he stole it.  IIRC, it comes in as part of the long 
list of admissions that he makes about his involvement with the 
Triwizard Cup.  I could be wrong, as I said, I've only seen the movie 
once.

Saraquel.







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From redlena_web at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 22:20:58 2005
From: redlena_web at yahoo.com (redlena_web)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:20:58 -0000
Subject: JKR Future projects
In-Reply-To: <20051127184713.84071.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dn2ega+q4kd@eGroups.com>

Rod McFadden <rgmcf at y...> wrote:
>   I'm sure, somewhere, someone's asked JKR about 
> post-Potter projects.  Does anyone know if and where I might 
> find the reply?
>   

redlena:
On her website in the "About Me" section of the "FAQs", Jo 
answers the question "What are you going to write after Harry?"  
I'll quote her brief answer for you here:

"There are things languishing in various drawers that I might 
return to, but I might write something completely different. I really 
don't know."

I think we'll just have to wait and see.

-- RedLena








From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 23:40:23 2005
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:40:23 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliffe & Rupert Grint iTunes Playlists
Message-ID: <dn2j57+kbu4@eGroups.com>

I was planning to purchase the songs listed on the iTunes playlists 
provided by Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint but when I went back 
after a couple days to buy them they were off the site! 

Can anyone please email me the lists of songs on both lists?  I'm 
curious to check them out as I'll give most any kind of music a shot.  
Thank you!

Diana L.







From illyana at mindspring.com  Mon Dec  5 23:45:02 2005
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:45:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Daniel Radcliffe & Rupert Grint iTunes Playlists
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diana:

i was checking out their list just yesterday! i went back to the  
itunes music store just now, and the list is still there. if it's not  
on the front page when you go (it was for me today, but not  
yesterday), click on the celebrity playlists area, and it should be  
on the first page of lists if you sort by most recent.

illyana

On Dec 5, 2005, at 6:40 PM, Diana wrote:

> I was planning to purchase the songs listed on the iTunes playlists
> provided by Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint but when I went back
> after a couple days to buy them they were off the site!
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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 01:28:20 2005
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:28:20 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliffe & Rupert Grint iTunes Playlists
In-Reply-To: <874321C5-DE29-4B78-A15A-4C1D636CDC71@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <dn2pfk+akcl@eGroups.com>

> i was checking out their list just yesterday! i went back to the  
> itunes music store just now, and the list is still there. if it's 
not  
> on the front page when you go (it was for me today, but not  
> yesterday), click on the celebrity playlists area, and it should 
be  
> on the first page of lists if you sort by most recent.
> 
> illyana

 
Diana:
> > I was planning to purchase the songs listed on the iTunes 
playlists
> > provided by Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint but when I went 
back
> > after a couple days to buy them they were off the site!
 > > Diana L.
 

Thanks, Illyana!  I had searched the iTunes music store for them but 
they didn't come up.  Guess I wasn't searching correctly.   I 
downloaded them and am listening to them right now.  A couple are 
rather interesting - I can definitely see their appeal to 16-17 year 
old teenage boys!  LOL  Nothing cringe-worthy so far.  I'm listening 
to Weezer's "Buddy Holly" right now and it's pretty good.   I would 
never had even heard any of these groups (except for Billy Idol, 
Green Day and Nirvana) if I hadn't downloaded these 
playlists.  "Music When the Lights Go Out" by The Libertines sounds 
like something made in the 1960s - I like this one too.

Diana L.
"You tell those spiders, Ron." - Harry






From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 15:26:59 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:26:59 -0000
Subject: "Harry Potter to be killed off"
Message-ID: <dn4ak3+ma38@eGroups.com>

Its shocking, I know, but this was the headline that greeted me on the 
Ceefax entertainment news this morning.
Apparently Jim Dale has had a lot of contact with Jo in his role as the 
narrator of the US audio books, and he reckons that she has spent so 
much time on Harry that she just wants rid of him now!  They brought 
out all the old quotes of 'waiting to see if he survives into 
adulthood' etc (but she's hardly likely to confirm that he will go on 
to be Minister of Magic or something, because that would rather give 
the game away about who triumphs in the finale).
So, this was my rather rude awakening this morning, but from what I can 
tell Jim Dale doesn't have a special insight, or anything we haven't 
all heard before.
PHEW
Sarah xxx
Who now needs a calming cup of strong black coffee (!)







From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  6 15:41:49 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:41:49 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "Harry Potter to be killed off"
In-Reply-To: <dn4ak3+ma38@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003101c5fa7b$938ab670$0400a8c0@pensive>

Its shocking, I know, but this was the headline that greeted me on the 
Ceefax entertainment news this morning.
Apparently Jim Dale has had a lot of contact with Jo in his role as the 
narrator of the US audio books, and he reckons that she has spent so 
much time on Harry that she just wants rid of him now!  They brought 
out all the old quotes of 'waiting to see if he survives into 
adulthood' etc (but she's hardly likely to confirm that he will go on 
to be Minister of Magic or something, because that would rather give 
the game away about who triumphs in the finale).
So, this was my rather rude awakening this morning, but from what I can 
tell Jim Dale doesn't have a special insight, or anything we haven't 
all heard before.
PHEW
Sarah xxx
Who now needs a calming cup of strong black coffee (!)



Sherry now:

I wouldn't worry.  Jim Dale doesn't have any secret knowledge.  In fact, i
have all the audio books read by him.  If you remember, the title of Goblet
of Fire was a closely guarded secret.  So secret that Jim Dale didn't even
know the title as he recorded it.  my version says at the beginning and end:

this is the fourth book in the Harry potter series by JK Rowling.

This is the end of the fourth book ...

He was only given a few pages at a time to record too.  So, he's just a fan
with an opinion like all the rest of us, but i doubt he knows anything more
than all the rest of us.

sherry




From annemflynn at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 18:05:35 2005
From: annemflynn at yahoo.com (Anne Marie Flynn)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:05:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "Harry Potter to be killed off"
In-Reply-To: <dn4ak3+ma38@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051206180535.84525.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



"Sarah Leigh ..." <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:    They brought out all the old quotes of 'waiting to see if he survives into adulthood' etc (but she's hardly likely to confirm that he will go on to be Minister of Magic or something, because that would rather give 
the game away about who triumphs in the finale).

   
  I tend to have a hard time thinking that JK Rowling would kill off Harry. I mean, this was originally intended as a children's series, and I don't think that it would send a good message to children not to fight for what you believe in and against something evil because you could die. To me, that means it ends on a look what happened, it's not worth it anyway note. Given the state of the world today, I don't think that's the message she wants to send. I do, however think that it's possible that either Ron or Hermione or both might not make it through. But I do think Harry will prevail. Or have a cliffhanger ending where there's the suspicion that Voldemort isn't really gone, opening the door for adult Harry Potter books, she Jo find that she's bored in five or ten years.




Anne Marie

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 20:37:53 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:37:53 -0000
Subject: "Harry Potter to be killed off"
In-Reply-To: <dn4ak3+ma38@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dn4sr1+sj5f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Leigh ..."
<plungy116 at a...> wrote:
>
> Its shocking, I know, but this was the headline that greeted me
> on the Ceefax entertainment news this morning. Apparently Jim 
> Dale has had a lot of contact with Jo in his role as the narrator
> of the US audio books, and he reckons that she has spent so 
> much time on Harry that she just wants rid of him now!  
> ...edited...
> Sarah xxx
> Who now needs a calming cup of strong black coffee (!)
>

bboyminn:

This is typical tabloid journalism; all headline and no story. Well,
OK, a story of overhyped but essentially meaningless innuendo. 

What Jim Dale is claiming, based on his own opinion, is the JKR has
lived with the Harry Potter books for many many years, and now lives
with expectations and anticipation growing to fever pitch for each
book. I think when the final books is over, to some extent she will be
glad. Harry Potter ...been there, done that ...time to move on. Of
course, we will all feel a sadness to see Harry Potter end, but he
lives on in the books for generations to come.

Let's face, in this group we have all speculated on and discussed
whether Harry would die in the end. Even Dan Radcliffe as a fan, has
speculated that Harry might die. So this is nothing new.

The Tabloids, as I said, just took what was essentially a non-story,
and blew it up into an overhyped by essentially hollow headline.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn







From rgmcf at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 01:20:45 2005
From: rgmcf at yahoo.com (Rod McFadden)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:20:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JKR Future projects
In-Reply-To: <1133878959.184.76896.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051207012045.49605.qmail@web32009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Many thanks!
  ------------------------
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:20:58 -0000
From: "redlena_web" 
redlena:
On her website in the "About Me" section of the "FAQs", Jo answers the question "What are you going to write after Harry?" I'll quote her brief answer for you here:
"There are things languishing in various drawers that I might return to, but I might write something completely different. I really don't know." I think we'll just have to wait and see.
-- RedLena

		
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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Dec  7 13:06:01 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:06:01 -0000
Subject: FILK: No Elves
Message-ID: <dn6mnp+9qrl@eGroups.com>

I usually post my filks on the main list, but since this one ia about 
the movie, I'll post it here.

No Elves

To the tune The First Noel

MIDI at:

http://www.ylw.mmtr.or.jp/~johnkoji/hymn/xmas/
 
That Mike Newell and his film-making crew
Took out every scene about house-elves and SPEW
When Winky got her clothes, as Bart yelled, "Out my door!"
Is a scene that wound up on the cutting-room floor

No elves, no elves, no elves, no elves
Dobby and Winky got put on the shelf
 
Poor Winky is in tears, she will not be a star
Dobby won't give weed unto the kid with the scar
But worst is the plight of the cinema twins
Without the elves' cooking, they're skeleton-thin

No elves, no elves, no elves, no elves
Dobby and Winky got put on the shelf
 
Kreacher's waxing wroth and he will cast his hex
If he can't say his Book Five lines in THX
He will conjure up a spell
Based on blackest Dark Arts
Giving 12 Grimmauld Place 
Straight to Martha Stewart

No elves, no elves, no elves, no elves
Kreacher requires his cut of the pelf
Kreacher requires his cut of the pelf!

   -	CMC

HARRY POTTER FILKS
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm
A VERY HARRY CHRISTMAS
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/Christmas.htm 







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Dec  7 16:51:42 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:51:42 -0000
Subject: "Harry Potter to be killed off"
In-Reply-To: <dn4ak3+ma38@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dn73uu+eu90@eGroups.com>

Sarah wrote:

> Apparently Jim Dale has had a lot of contact with Jo in his role as 
the 
> narrator of the US audio books, and he reckons that she has spent so 
> much time on Harry that she just wants rid of him now! 

The reasoning is flawed.  If JKR is fed up with Harry, she can just 
stop writing.  Killing him won't help, any more than it helped Conan 
Doyle.

David







From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Dec  7 23:15:32 2005
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:15:32 -0000
Subject: "Harry Potter to be killed off"
In-Reply-To: <dn73uu+eu90@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dn7qek+67dr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
>
>
> 
> The reasoning is flawed.  If JKR is fed up with Harry, she can just 
> stop writing.  Killing him won't help, any more than it helped Conan 
> Doyle.
> 
> David
>

My exact words to my beloved Daddy, who was just waiting for me to
come home from work to show me the local paper, I can say that he was
rather enjoying the moment; but whenever I hear about JKR killing off
Harry I can't help thinking about Arthur Conan Doyle/Sherlock Holmes.
Of course it is a possibility (Harry's death), but it is also possible
that he survives and lives happily ever after.

Gabriela






From k.coble at comcast.net  Wed Dec  7 23:27:31 2005
From: k.coble at comcast.net (Katherine Coble)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:27:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Harry Potter to be killed off"
In-Reply-To: <dn7qek+67dr@eGroups.com>
References: <dn7qek+67dr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0e1d6af40b4139acf4dc902a18aef0fc@comcast.net>


Personally--and this is very personally--I don't care all that much for 
Jim Dale to begin with.  I've now listed through all of his readings 
(except HBP) and there are several places where he mispronounces names 
of characters.   That's not a really big deal in and of itself, but 
you'd think if he has this fancy direct line to JKR he'd at least be 
able to double-check his pronunciation.




From ewetoo at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 00:23:48 2005
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:23:48 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Harry Potter to be killed off"
In-Reply-To: <dn7qek+67dr@eGroups.com>
References: <dn73uu+eu90@eGroups.com> <dn7qek+67dr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320512071623q43ed4bd3s49f6645145bc5d02@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Gabriela <gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
>
> My exact words to my beloved Daddy, who was just waiting for me to
> come home from work to show me the local paper, I can say that he was
> rather enjoying the moment; but whenever I hear about JKR killing off
> Harry I can't help thinking about Arthur Conan Doyle/Sherlock Holmes.
> Of course it is a possibility (Harry's death), but it is also possible
> that he survives and lives happily ever after.
>
> Gabriela
>

Yes this is pretty obvious stuff; anyone can google for the story of
Conan Doyle, it would be pretty stupid to repeat his mistake. Agatha
Christie wisely left it to her executors to deliver the final chapters
of the Poirot and Miss Marple stories. Warners isn't going to stop
profiting from its rights. Bloomsbury and Scholastic won't back her up
in the face of public disapproval. I think she would have to revisit
the Potterverse regularly regardless of Harry's fate, or become a
permanent recluse.

--
Emacs is an alright OS, but it lacks a decent editor.



From ginny343 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 01:28:10 2005
From: ginny343 at yahoo.com (ginny343)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 01:28:10 -0000
Subject: Snake - Snape
Message-ID: <dn827a+eknr@eGroups.com>

This morning while driving to work the radio program was about people 
who had nicknames they didn't know about.  One lady called in saying 
that at her office there were 4 men who very obviously had their own 
agendas.  She said they called them Snake 1, Snake 2, Snake 3, and 
Snake 4 (behind their backs) . . .

This got me to wondering if someone is known as a "snake" if they have 
their own agenda?  (Like someone might be known as a rat if they give 
unknown information on people.)

I am really hoping for a DDM!Snape, but I'm considering evidence that 
might not be what JKR has in mind.  Snake and Snape are such similar 
words . . . and "Severus" makes me think of "severing" bonds with 
people.

Has anyone ever heard "snake" used in the way this lady was using it?  
This term makes me think right away of OFH!Snape . . . which would be 
sort of a disappointment to me.  

Ginny343  






From katmac at katmac.cncdsl.com  Thu Dec  8 16:23:25 2005
From: katmac at katmac.cncdsl.com (lagattalucianese)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:23:25 -0000
Subject: Snake - Snape
In-Reply-To: <dn827a+eknr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dn9mlt+rq5c@eGroups.com>

> 
> I am really hoping for a DDM!Snape, but I'm considering evidence 
that 
> might not be what JKR has in mind.  Snake and Snape are such similar 
> words . . . and "Severus" makes me think of "severing" bonds with 
> people.
> 
> Has anyone ever heard "snake" used in the way this lady was using 
it?  
> This term makes me think right away of OFH!Snape . . . which would 
be 
> sort of a disappointment to me.  
> 
> Ginny343
>
One suggestion that has cropped up on HP4GU is that the two names 
should be taken together--that he is the one who is going to "sever 
the snake" (Voldemort), either because he is DDM or because he has 
some personal issue with LV. Knowing JKR's fondness for wordplay, I 
wouldn't be surprised if Snape turns out to be the ally Harry needs to 
destroy Voldemort. I just hope they both survive the experience.

--La Gatta









From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Dec  9 13:06:55 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:06:55 +1100
Subject: 15 years ago today...
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Fifteen years ago today, my father died. I was fifteen years old at 
the time so as I write this, I have been without his physical 
presence for roughly half my own life. It seems to me appropriate 
somehow to put a few things down on paper. When I decided to do this, 
earlier today all sorts of eloquent phrases came to mind, but as I 
come to write this, I am finding it incredibly difficult to find the 
words to say what I wish to day. But I shall do my best.

My father was born into a country which didn't acknowledge him as 
fully human. You see, his mother, my Nanna, was Koorie - Australian 
Aboriginal - and, back then, Australia's constitution specifically 
excluded the Koorie from the ranks of human beings. My grandmother 
had been separated from her family at a very young age, taken away to 
be educated as promising young blacks and half castes were. The 
Australian genocide was intended to be a gentle and a merciful one. 
The abos were to be allowed to die out in their own time, with the 
few who persisted assimilated into white society through education in 
the ways of civilization. My Nanna was one of the lucky chosen ones - 
she got an education that allowed her to pretend to be white. She 
married a white man and that completed the illusion. But the illusion 
had to be complete - and so Nanna didn't tell her children of their 
heritage.

It's hard to find out things about my father growing up. He told me a 
little, but what he told me was rather heavily edited. From what I 
have been able to work out though, he didn't have an easy childhood. 
He was born into relative poverty during the Second World War and 
while he wasn't quite malnourished, he wasn't that far from it. His 
mother was a nurse, who had to take what jobs she could where people 
wouldn't ask about the colour of her skin. And his father was a petty 
criminal. Dad was the oldest of four children - two younger brothers 
and a younger sister - and it seems that he took on, over time, more 
and more of the paternal role to his two youngest siblings. He got a 
basic education - a perfectly adequate one by working class standards 
of the time but he knew he'd never get more than that from a very 
early age. He valued the education he could get. But knew that he 
would never receive a full formal education. And he accepted that.

He didn't have an easy time growing up. That's all I'm saying. And 
his fathers health was poor, so he had to take on more and more 
responsibility for the family. And then when his father died when he 
was seventeen, he became the breadwinner. Highly intelligent, semi-
educated - he took what jobs he could find. Labouring. Apprentice to 
a butcher. Not bad jobs really - but nothing like what he could have 
done if he'd had better opportunities. Opportunities he made sure his 
younger siblings had. He sought to educate himself from books 
borrowed from libraries, and decided he wanted more out of life. He 
wanted a real career.

So, finally he decided to join the Navy. Now, this was at a time when 
Australia was involved in two separate wars - the Confrontation in 
Borneo, and the war in Vietnam. So joining the military was quite a 
decision to make (and, ultimately, Dad did serve in both these wars). 
But the Navy was his one chance as a career - and it had the added 
bonus that though Aborigines weren't legally supposed to serve in the 
military (not being citizens) those who managed it never had to worry 
about their citizenship again. This was a path to unchallenged 
citizenship. And so he joined the Navy.

He served for twenty years with distinction and honour. His lack of 
formal education didn't matter that much in the Navy - he served in a 
wide variety of roles, both in peace and in war, and he rose through 
the ranks to finish his career as one of the Royal Australian Navy's 
most senior instructors. He also met my mother in the Navy - which is 
rather a lucky thing for me, personally, and I think was very lucky 
for both of them as well. He fathered me and my younger brother - and 
from the moment we were born he began saving money for our education -
 because he intended to make sure that whatever education we needed 
would be possible. The nation had changed a lot in the decade before 
I was born, his first decade in the Navy. An Australian government 
had finally put the issue of Aboriginal citizenship to the people and 
the people had overwhelmingly voted in favour of it. I'm the oldest 
of all my cousins - and I was the first child born into my family 
with full human rights. And it's really hard for me to understand 
what that means because it's always been that way for me - but my 
father understood it. And he was going to make sure that nothing in 
his power to change would ever hold me back. Education had changed as 
well - schools had improved and it was now normal and economically 
possible for working class kids to go to university if they wanted 
it. There really wasn't an obvious need to be saving for an 
education. But Dad did it anyway.

I say Dad did it - because this is being written in tribute to him - 
but make no mistake, my mother was at least equally responsible. I 
would never ignore what she has done for me as well, but, Thank God, 
I don't have a need to write any type of memorial to her.

I was born half way through my Dad's military service - at a time 
when he was already a Senior Sailor. So while I saw him working hard, 
I never really saw him working hard to become successful. I saw him 
working hard at a time where he had already achieved success.

And, when there were problems - like the time when he was swept up in 
the Cairns' police "nigger patrol" one evening - when they went 
through the town and arrested blacks to lock them up for the night - 
well, he never told me about those things.

I just saw a man who worked hard, and who was respected by all of 
those around him. A man who was called 'Chief' by all those he worked 
with, except for his closest friends - who called him 'Pop'. He was 
my father and I worshipped him. And I never saw him show any sign of 
fear or hatred, nor any sign that there was a reason that he might 
have either of those feelings.

Actually I did see fear once. We were at the beach, and I was three 
years old, or thereabouts. He was standing on the beach talking to 
someone and I wandered off into the water. I liked the beach. We used 
to spend a lot of time there - and I was walking out into the water, 
letting it get deeper and deeper - and then I stepped off a ledge 
into water too deep for me. Over my head.

And I sank - and I hit the bottom - and I pushed myself back up. Then 
I sank again - and I hit the bottom - and I pushed myself back up.

I tried to call for help - but everytime I opened my mouth I sank and 
swallowed water. I managed to turn myself - I must have - because I 
could see my Dad on the beach, looking away from me and talking. And 
I tried to call for help - and I just swallowed water again.

Then I saw the man he was talking to point and Dad's head snap 
around. And he began to run.

And I swear, I am not sure he ran through that water - it seemed to 
me like he ran across the top of it. And the look on his face 
terrified me. I was a bright kid. I knew I was in danger - and the 
look on his face terrified me, because the only reason I could 
imagine fear like that on my fathers face was if I was certain to 
die. But he reached me, and he grabbed me, and he took me ashore. And 
made sure I hadn't swallowed too much water. And when I'd established 
I was all right, he smacked my bottom because I was supposed to stay 
out of the water. But - well, the look I'd seen on his face had 
taught me that lesson already.

When I was old enough, I started school, of course - and went to four 
schools in my first three years of schooling. Dad was Navy, and we 
moved where he was posted. Dad had faith in education - he assumed 
that just about any school would provide the basic education I (and 
later my brother) needed. He chose Catholic schools - because we were 
Catholic and he also felt the discipline was a bit better in Catholic 
schools - but basically we went to the nearest Catholic school to 
where we were living, when he was posted. And to begin with, this 
worked quite well. At least it did as far as he or my mother knew. Or 
I knew for that matter.

Dad assumed that he was average. Mum assumed that she was average. 
And they assumed that my brother and I were average as well. We were 
an average working class family, and so they chose the normal primary 
schools in our area secure in the knowledge that these schools seemed 
to do a decent job.

And, in all honesty, they did in many ways. Looking back on things I 
can see the problems. I started primary school already able to do 
everything they planned to teach me over the next seven years, and 
consequently I spent a lot of my time at school being very bored and 
I certainly didn't learn anything - but I had good and kind and 
caring teachers, and while I was bullied a bit because I was 
different and that hurt, it wasn't anything incredibly bad.

But what I didn't know, or understand, was what was going on in my 
father's life.

Dad's health had never been very good. Problems didn't become 
apparent until he was older, but by the time he was in his late 
thirties, they started to emerge. It was partly related to his war 
service - he had served on a ship called HMAS Duchess during the 
Confrontation and the Duchess had been loaned to the Royal Australian 
Navy by the Royal Navy to replace an Australian destroyer sunk in an 
accident. It was a rush job and an imperfectly cleaned fuel tank was 
used to store drinking water on Duchess - and quite a lot of the 
sailors who served on her later developed health problems, that they 
believed were linked to that. He'd also become a heavy smoker during 
the Vietnam War, and together he started to have various circulatory 
problems. They weren't exceptionally serious - he had to have a 
vascular bypass, and give up smoking, but with care he could expect 
to live a fairly normal life.

He finished out his twenty years service - and then the plan was to 
settle down and take things reasonably easy until he was old enough 
to retire - basically fifteen years - his war service meant he could 
retire at 60 onto his full pension.

While he had a great deal of experience in the Navy, back then this 
didn't transfer well to civilian life in Australia. Today, someone 
discharging with my fathers experience and training would have 
civilian qualifications - probably a Masters degree or two Bachelors 
degrees. But this predated that - and so Dad found himself without 
any greater education than he'd had when he joined the Navy as far as 
the outside world was concerned. He found a job - a decent, fairly 
well paid job with good benefits and good job security - working as a 
Security Guard for a state utility.

I think he was fairly happy with this. It was a responsible job but 
one without major stress which he was supposed to avoid. It paid 
enough money that his family had all that it needed - especially 
coupled with the cheap home loan that his military service entitled 
him to. I suspect that he was annoyed that his education acquired in 
the military counted for so little in civilian life, because as I 
say, he valued education. But we had what we needed.

And then, two years after he left the Navy - well, that is when my 
problems started.

As I mentioned before my primary schooling seemed all right at the 
time, its deficits only become clearly apparent in hindsight. And if 
my secondary schooling had been the same, things might have been the 
same there. At age 12, I passed on from my primary school to the 
local Catholic secondary school. I'd been at this primary school for 
nearly five years (from the middle of Grade Two to the end of Grade 
Six) and I was fairly happy there. Bored. Never learned anything. But 
I liked my teachers, and while I was teased a lot to begin with, over 
time that had pretty much gone away. In my final year, I was one of 
the leaders of the school, in fact, I was relatively popular. Life 
was pretty good, really.

But this secondary school was another matter entirely. This school 
was a horrible place for me - hell on earth, in fact. The school was 
a very modern, very permissive education environment - it prided 
itself on being so. It embraced with a passion all of the state 
governments' new educational ideology which was quite radical in many 
ways, but it also had its own ideas.

In practice - at this school - students were not allowed to be 
anything but equal. It was not acceptable for some students to be 
smarter than others. If a student was doing better than their 
classmates, they had to be pulled back into line. My main teacher - 
my homeroom teacher, the teacher supposedly most responsible for my 
welfare - was a disaster as far as I was concerned. I'd come to 
secondary school craving educational stimulation which I'd been 
denied for at least four and a half years. I somehow though that at 
secondary school I might actually learn something. Well, this woman 
taught me more subjects than any other - and she didn't like me. I 
honestly think she saw me as a threat. I knew her subjects better 
than she did, and I didn't fit her image of what a student should be. 
She used to penalise me in her classes because I didn't like 
colouring in pictures. I was twelve years old and I felt I was beyond 
having to colour all the time. I hadn't much liked it when I was six -
 but it seemed ridiculous at age 12 to be losing marks on history 
homework because I hadn't coloured in a picture of a pyramid. I 
wouldn't have minded as much if we'd actually learned anything - I 
would have paid the price of colouring things in, if she'd actually 
taught me anything I didn't know. But she didn't. And when I tried to 
learn for myself, she penalised and punished me for getting ahead of 
the other children.

And another feature of this school was that it didn't believe in 
punishment, or in restricting students behaviour in any significant 
way. Children should be allowed to do what they like and teachers 
should not interfere.

Unfortunately what some children liked doing was bullying others. And 
people from my old school let other people know that I was a perfect 
target. And so the bullying began. Often in clear view of teachers. 
It was verbal, emotional, and physical. Eventually I was being bashed 
by groups of a dozen boys every day. And on wet days when we were 
confined to a covered area of the playground where it was virtually 
standing room only, I was sometimes attacked by groups of over 100. 
Maybe 200.

The teachers saw it, and did nothing. The teacher who was supposed to 
be looking out for me was the worst of all. I assumed that I must be 
the problem - because surely people would have helped me if I wasn't 
doing something wrong - I was being punished for working too hard. 
Obviously I was the problem. And so I didn't tell my parents what was 
going on.

Eventually they found out, thank God. And Dad spoke to the school and 
was told I was retarded - this school couldn't comprehend that its 
methods and ideas might be faulty. It had to me who had the problems.

My parents took me to be tested by the state's top educational 
psychologist - like I say, my parents valued education and they 
wanted to know what they were dealing with. He told them that I 
wasn't retarded. And he told them that given our states educational 
climate, the only real option for me were certain extremely expensive 
elite private schools.

We had enough money coming in from Dad's job that we wanted for 
nothing - but we certainly didn't have money for luxuries.

And, though, he never talked about it - I suspect my father could 
remember his own childhood where the only kids who got decent 
education were those whose parents could afford to send them to 
expensive schools - and I suspect he didn't much care for the idea of 
his own son going to such a school.

But it was necessary. The experts told him it was necessary. And so 
they did it. My parents knocked on doors and made phonecalls and did 
whatever it took to get me into such a school. These schools have 
waiting lists years long in many cases. And my parents had about 
three months to make it happen - to get me into such a school at a 
year level where such schools didn't normally take students.

They managed it. But it must have been stressful. And Dad was 
supposed to avoid stress.

Financially - it was just barely possible. With the money they'd been 
saving for university education which they were able to pull out of 
the fund it was in (although it was being pulled out five years 
before maturity, they lost a lot of what it should have been), it was 
possible. But only barely. My parents went from financial security to 
financial stress.

And it wasn't just financial stress. After my year of hell, I was 
emotionally damaged. I was suicidal, and deeply clinically depressed. 
I'd also lost all interest in learning, and I'd never really had a 
chance to develop study skills because I'd never had to study. Now I 
found myself in an exclusive, highly academic school - and I wasn't 
willing to work. My self discipline about study was non existent.

I'll be blunt. My parents were making immense sacrifices for me - and 
I wasn't taking advantage of them. I know there were reasons - and my 
parents did too, and they did their best not to push me too hard. But 
to start with, I was working so poorly that there was a good chance 
that this school they'd had to work so hard to get me into wasn't all 
that likely to keep me - the school was willing to make some 
allowances for me as well, and to give me time to adapt. But I sorely 
tried their patience and probably took things right to the limit 
before I finally toed the line. Really, it was probably six months 
before I was doing even the basics expected of me - and two and a 
half years before I was really out of the woods. And that whole time 
my father was exposed to the stress he was supposed to avoid. And his 
health started to suffer.

And he concealed that from us.

It wasn't just my schooling. I needed weekly psychological counseling 
for quite a while and he made sure I got that. And he also got 
involved with advocacy for gifted children - because he could see 
that this issue was far wider than just us.

He should have quit his job. That's what the doctors told him to do. 
His health had deteriorated to the extent that he could have got his 
pension. But there was no way my school fees could be paid on that 
pension - and though I am fairly sure the school would have allowed 
me to stay for nothing in such a situation (a war veteran succumbing 
to illness from war service) my father wasn't the type to even ask 
for that.

And where he worked - well, one of the senior management there was an 
ex-military officer and he met Dad and realised the type of 
experience Dad had - this man understood the education my father had 
and the jobs he'd had and what they meant and this man moved Dad into 
a management position. Higher pay. Higher stress. Dad might have 
taken it anyway - maybe - but I really do think that a large part of 
the reason he took it was to try and get back some financial 
security.

His health went downhill quite rapidly. He saw Doctors and they told 
him to quit. Instead, he quietly made arrangements to ensure we would 
all be looked after if something happened to him. He spoke to my 
school to check my progress (and, I am so glad that this happened 
just after I had really got myself under control, so for the first 
time he was actually able to be given a generally good report about 
me and know that I was all right.)

Then, a week after I finished Year Ten, on the 7th December 1990 as 
he disembarked from a train for work, my father suffered a massive 
stroke.

He died early on the morning of 10th December 1990 at the age of 47 
years.

My father gave his life for me and for my education.

That's a solid thing to know.

He knew the state of his health. He knew the risks he was running 
with it.

And he made a judgement that those risks were worthwhile.

He'd left me a legacy as well - something he told me in that last 
year, which I didn't understand the significance of at the time. He 
had lost his father at seventeen - a little older than me, but not 
all that much - and had had to change his plans for his entire life. 
He made it clear to me that if anything ever happened to him, my duty 
and my obligation was not to change my plans for my life - but to 
live it as if he was still there.

I was to have no responsibility to his memory, except to be the 
person I would be if he was there for me. I was to live for myself. I 
was to put myself first.

Nice try, Dad.

But it doesn't work that way.

Yes, I'll live the life I'd live if you were still with me.

But you can't ask me to always put myself first because the two 
things aren't compatible.

With your example, alive or dead, that really isn't an option.

I don't know who is reading this - but considering where I plan to 
post it, I think I can be sure that there are at least some parents 
out there who are sacrificing for their children and who are fighting 
for what their children need educationally.

You people are heroes. And I hope your kids understand that. Or at 
least I hope they do someday, if they don't at the moment.

**********

This tribute (with some images added to it) can be seen at:

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/fifteenyears.html

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Dec  9 13:42:07 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:42:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 15 years ago today...
In-Reply-To: <439A1C1F.5642.2B773B4@localhost>
Message-ID: <000801c5fcc6$5952f420$65a4a8c0@rosie>

I would have written you off list but I couldn't isolate your address
header. :(

You were a very blessed and loved kid, and what you've written is a stellar
example of what a father should be to his kids.

I can't say quite the same for mine, who is also passed on, so to read
something like this, or see fathers genuinely interested in their kids is
fantastic.

Blessed Christmas to you, and carry your dad's presence/presents of love and
care with you always.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From x3ui at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  9 16:53:03 2005
From: x3ui at yahoo.com (x3ui)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:53:03 -0000
Subject: a real life Disillusionment Charm
Message-ID: <dnccpf+7u1u@eGroups.com>

Have a look at this reseach out of Japan

http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html

(watch the videos)

It's a real-life version of the Disillusionment Charm :)


x3ui









From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  9 19:12:02 2005
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:12:02 -0000
Subject: 15 years ago today...
In-Reply-To: <000801c5fcc6$5952f420$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <dncku2+8uer@eGroups.com>

I was very moved by the tribute to your father-thank you for sharing 
it. I'm lucky to still have my father with me, and I thank God for 
that. From what you wrote, it's apparent that your father loved you 
very much, and was very proud of you-with good reason to be. What a 
wonderful tribute to a great man! Thank you for sharing it.

-Barb






From sionwitch at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  9 19:44:09 2005
From: sionwitch at yahoo.com (sionwitch)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:44:09 -0000
Subject: Petition to fire Gambon
Message-ID: <dncmq9+5jsi@eGroups.com>

To all who think that Michael Gambon performance of Dumbledore was not
true to the Dumbledore from the books, you can now do something about
it. There is a petition form that will be sent to JKR and Warner to
let them know that we want that to change.
Check this link http://freewebs.com/firegambon/
And see for yourself how Mr Gambon express himself about his rol as
Dumbledore, and if you are outrage about it, please sign and help to
make a difference.

Sionwicth
"Never insult Albus Dumbledore in front of me" PS/SS.






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  9 21:04:12 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:04:12 -0000
Subject: No Christmas for JKR's website?
Message-ID: <dncrgc+7ad5@eGroups.com>

Last year at this time JKR had an Advent calendar on her "Extra Stuff"
page and tinsel all over the place, along with blue Christmas ribbons
that could serve as Hanukkah or generic holiday ribbons on just about
every page and poinsettias in place of daffodils on the table by the
door with the "Do Not Disturb" sign. I can see JKR herself being too
busy to update her pages, but doesn't she have a Web-Elf (erm, a
professional website designer) to help her out? Or did someone
complain that Advent calendars and Christmas decorations were
"intolerant" (politically incorrect)? The characters in her books
celebrate Christmas, and JKR should be allowed to do so as well.

Or maybe, having given us HBP, she thinks we don't need anything to
cheer us up? No, *that* can't be it!

Carol, wondering if she's the only one who's disappointed by the lack
of updates to the site






From erikog at one.net  Fri Dec  9 21:25:33 2005
From: erikog at one.net (krista7)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:25:33 -0000
Subject: No Christmas for JKR's website?
In-Reply-To: <dncrgc+7ad5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dncsod+ab03@eGroups.com>

Carol writes:

> Or maybe, having given us HBP, she thinks we don't need anything to
> cheer us up? No, *that* can't be it!
> 
> Carol, wondering if she's the only one who's disappointed by the lack
> of updates to the site

I'm pretty disappointed, too. Personally, I'd love it if a rebellious Web-Elf
 slipped us a photo of some notes of JKR, with the notation "SNAPE 
IS INNOCENT!" among them. That'd guarantee a happy holidays here! :P

My guess would be one of these:

1.) Poor woman's exhausted from finishing HBP, doing work for the 
movies (promotion, maybe script reviews for OoTP)--and let's not
 forget she's got a baby in the household, too;

2.) Everytime she "talks," she drops hints and possibly commits 
herself to various points. She may be afraid of speaking a lot 
w/o having Book 7 very clearly outlined, in the event she changes
her mind about something in the text. 

Krista






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 21:31:15 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:31:15 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Christmas for JKR's website?
In-Reply-To: <dncsod+ab03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005101c5fd07$e3470d10$0400a8c0@pensive>

Carol writes:

 
> Carol, wondering if she's the only one who's disappointed by the lack
> of updates to the site


sherry:

No, Carol, you're not the only one who's disappointed.  There hasn't been an
update since HBP has there?  i miss it.  I wish she'd toss us a tiny crumb
or two.

Sherry




From marty.larson at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 21:40:56 2005
From: marty.larson at verizon.net (Marty Larson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:40:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Christmas for JKR's website?
References: <005101c5fd07$e3470d10$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <001f01c5fd09$3cdd8290$6501a8c0@HOME1>

Caroland Sherry write:


> Carol, wondering if she's the only one who's disappointed by the lack
> of updates to the site
>No, Carol, you're not the only one who's disappointed.  There hasn't been an
>update since HBP has there?  i miss it.  I wish she'd toss us a tiny crumb
>or two.


I've been disappointed also. Maybe if enough of us acknowledge that this has been noticed, then JKR and Lightmaker will notice and respond.
Marty



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From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Fri Dec  9 21:50:41 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee Chase)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:50:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Christmas for JKR's website?
In-Reply-To: <dncrgc+7ad5@eGroups.com>
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justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:    Last year at this time JKR had an Advent calendar on her "Extra Stuff"
page and tinsel all over the place, along with blue Christmas ribbons
that could serve as Hanukkah or generic holiday ribbons on just about
every page and poinsettias in place of daffodils on the table by the
door with the "Do Not Disturb" sign. I can see JKR herself being too
busy to update her pages, but doesn't she have a Web-Elf (erm, a
professional website designer) to help her out? Or did someone
complain that Advent calendars and Christmas decorations were
"intolerant" (politically incorrect)? The characters in her books
celebrate Christmas, and JKR should be allowed to do so as well.

Or maybe, having given us HBP, she thinks we don't need anything to
cheer us up? No, *that* can't be it!

Carol, wondering if she's the only one who's disappointed by the lack
of updates to the site


Luckdragon:
   
  There has not been a new poll since Spring, Halloween brought us nothing, and I've given up on a Christmas update. I know she has a new babe and her husband was seriously ill; but I truly think she is happy she is nearing the end of the series, possibly is heartily sick of all our obsessiveness and is blowing us off. She does not even want to write under her own name after book seven so she will not have to go through this again. I love HP and will always admire her for giving us this gift, but I no longer expect any extras from Jo.


		
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From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  9 22:34:43 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:34:43 -0000
Subject: HBO in Paperback
Message-ID: <dnd0q3+g54u@eGroups.com>

I received this email from Bloombury today:

HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE by J K Rowling was the UK's 
fastest
selling book of all time when published in hardback on Saturday 16th 
July
2005. It sold over 2 million copies in the UK in the first 24 hours 
alone
and is still in the top ten bestseller list five months later. The 
Harry
Potter series has now sold over 300 million copies worldwide in 63
languages.

Bloomsbury Publishing is delighted to announce that HARRY POTTER AND 
THE
HALF-BLOOD PRINCE will be published in paperback priced at ?7.99 on 
Friday
23rd June 2006. The book will be published with two jackets, one for
children and one for the adult market.

The ISBNS are:
0747584680 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince by JK Rowling - 
children
's edition, ?7.99
0747584664 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince by JK Rowling - 
adult
edition, ?7.99

Sign up to be e-mailed when HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE 
becomes
available from our website.
For the children's edition here:
http://www.bloomsbury.com/HPpaperback
and the adult's here:
http://www.bloomsbury.com/HPadult

Best wishes,
The Bloomsbury Web Club

For great Christmas gift ideas visit:
http://www.bloomsbury.com/christmas







From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 23:51:40 2005
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:51:40 -0000
Subject: No Christmas for JKR's website?
In-Reply-To: <dncrgc+7ad5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dnd5ac+10l44@eGroups.com>

I think it is safe to say that NOBODY is more disappointed than I am. 
I still check faithfully everyday.
And I still continue to work on the Lexicon pages, a bit of editing 
here and there, and adding the few automatic updates we've had (the 
birthdays and Wizards of the Month) to the calendar.
I know I could be working on more archive pages, and I try... but my 
heart just isn't in it.  
I am grateful to Jo for all she has given us with this wondrous site!  
How she offered us this connection straight to her and blessed us with 
the extra special content that we enjoy so much.
And I certainly do not want to pressure her to give us more until she 
has more to give us. 

I simply miss her, that's all.
It's like not seeing a dear, dear friend for a long time.

Belinda
HP-Lexicon's Guide to JKR.com
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html








From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 02:44:24 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:44:24 -0500
Subject: Richest guys in Forbes (e.g. Santa, Lucius Malfoy, more)
Message-ID: <1a2738400512101844w11c7e15dha711f80962a41d76@mail.gmail.com>

Heh, gotta find some amusement over having a subject line with Santa
and Lucius Malfoy in it.  The next link is actually richest
*fictional* characters.

Long link that may be break, so you may want to copy and paste the entire thing:
http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/29/forbes-fictional-rich_cx_mn_de_05fict15land.html

Preface from the above link:
[[
Collectively, we are fascinated by the super-rich. We devour their
biographies. We hang on their advice. Maybe we even hope for their
downfall. But in our attempts to explain the ultra-rich--and their
super-inflated bank accounts--we are often guilty of reducing real
people to mere caricatures. There is the monopolist. The oracle. The
genius. The thief.

With the Forbes Fictional 15, we have taken the opposite
approach--fiction's caricatures are elevated to the status of real
people.
]]


Their profile link descriptions:

Santa Claus
By Michael Noer
Critics claim Santa's legendary workshop is fueled by long hours, low
wages and hazardous conditions.

Lex Luthor Versus Bruce Wayne
By Matthew Herper
The two billionaires are squaring off over the role of the government
in regulating "superheroes."

C. Montgomery Burns
By David M. Ewalt
The cold-hearted monopolist shares his management secrets.

Lucius Malfoy
By David M. Ewalt
Getting locked in wizard prison can't stop the bad boy of British business.


In their ranking list, Lucius bottoms. {pervy grin}  Seriously though,
Galleons should've brought in a higher market value... or my memory is
shoddy.

Dina



From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Sun Dec 11 03:18:26 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:18:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Richest guys in Forbes (e.g. Santa, Lucius Malfoy, more)
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400512101844w11c7e15dha711f80962a41d76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400512101844w11c7e15dha711f80962a41d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7a39dee54b33f88bf83b094d806ae159@fandm.edu>

Dina:
> Heh, gotta find some amusement over having a subject line with Santa
> and Lucius Malfoy in it.

Or Santa and Lex Luthor.  Didn't you see Lexmas?  *g*

Oh, Smallville is crazy this season.  Craaaa-zy.  Vampires, strippers, 
and senators, oh my.

You know, I use TWoP fairly frequently, but I'd never been to the 
comments board until recently.  Lemme tell you, I was just shocked.  
Totally unprepared for the level of Lana-hate and Chloe-love.  I guess 
I knew that Lana was not generally adored by the fandom (and she is a 
bit of a Mary Sue, so I can understand that), but who in their right 
mind could like Chloe?  Seriously, I think the people at TWoP must have 
the characters mixed up.  *Chloe* is the whiny, manipulative one.  Not 
to mention the one prone to massive, uncalled-for bouts of jealousy.  
Lana might not be the most captivating, nuanced character ever, but at 
least she's *bearable*.  Also, Mack is just not as cute and funny as 
the writers seem to think she is.  That little head-tilt quirk she has 
drives me batty.  And the Trunk O' Sidekickiness?  Lame, lame, lame.  
IMO, she's the perfect example of what happens when new writers in a 
mythology get too attached to their OCs.

. . . Had a bit of a rant there, didn't I?  *blushes*

Anyway . . . Lexmas.  Definitely delivered on generally holiday 
cheesiness, but Rosenbaum was excellent, as per usual.  I wasn't 
expecting to like the Lex/Lana SHIP, but it actually got to me, a 
little bit (although I think that was largely due to the ever-so-rare 
Happy!Lex, which kills me every time).  Although . . . he's loved her 
since she was fourteen?  Uh, okay, Lex.

Laura (who doesn't know quite what to make of the new season.)




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Dec 11 04:14:52 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:14:52 -0000
Subject: Petition to fire Gambon
In-Reply-To: <dncmq9+5jsi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dng93s+kpg0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sionwitch" <sionwitch at y...> 
wrote:
>
> To all who think that Michael Gambon performance of Dumbledore was not
> true to the Dumbledore from the books, you can now do something about
> it. There is a petition form that will be sent to JKR and Warner to
> let them know that we want that to change.
> Check this link http://freewebs.com/firegambon/
> And see for yourself how Mr Gambon express himself about his rol as
> Dumbledore, and if you are outrage about it, please sign and help to
> make a difference.
> 
Of course, if Lord Voldemort were willing to share that Inferius spell 
of his, we could get Richard Harris to reprise the role.

  - CMC (dodging the tomatoes, dead cats, & assorted brick-a-bats)






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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Dec 11 20:46:36 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:46:36 -0000
Subject: not ending the Potterverse / Invisibility Videos (Thanks!)
Message-ID: <dni37c+82fa@eGroups.com>

Ewe2 wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29291 :

<< Warners isn't going to stop profiting from its rights. >>

They won't be able to make movies after 7 about young Potter with the
same young actors, because they won't be young enough. Alas, because 
I *wish* they would make a movie with the same actors and costumes and
sets (but rather more realistic make-up on Pettigrew) of 'Harry Potter
and the Shrieking Shack', with stills of Ron being dragged off by the
big black dog and Harry & Hermione chasing them and Crookshanks
pushing the button on the Whomping Willow and Harry & Hermione taking
off the Invisibility Cloak to go into the tunnel running under the
opening credits, and the movie proper starting with Harry & Hermione
emerging from the tunnel into the dusty sitting room, and from there
stick close to the book, and end on a Happy note with the good guys
leaving the Shack with Peter chained and Snape unconscious. Thus we
would get to see Alan Rickman in Snape's (pre-HBP) big scene.

And I don't think there'll be a big mass market for movies about adult
Potter.

<< Bloomsbury and Scholastic won't back her up in the face of public
disapproval. >>

If Bloomsbury and Scholastic refuse to publish a Potter book by JKR,
no matter how bad or sad, *someone* will publish it.

<< I think she would have to revisit the Potterverse regularly
regardless of Harry's fate, or become a permanent recluse. >>

I suspect she would *like* to go incognito most of the rest of her
life -- she doesn't seem to *like* being a celebrity, except for the
opportunity of getting publicity for some cause she believes in (e.g.
Comic Relief) by making a speech or donating something.

x3ui wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29296 :

<< Have a look at this reseach out of Japan
http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html
(watch the videos)
It's a real-life version of the Disillusionment Charm :) >>

It has also been compared to Tolkien's Elven cloaks.






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 03:07:10 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:07:10 -0500
Subject: Richest guys in Forbes (e.g. Santa, Lucius Malfoy, more)
In-Reply-To: <7a39dee54b33f88bf83b094d806ae159@fandm.edu>
References: <1a2738400512101844w11c7e15dha711f80962a41d76@mail.gmail.com>
	 <7a39dee54b33f88bf83b094d806ae159@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <1a2738400512111907t57ac789fw578b09892db84ec2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, Laura Ingalls Huntley <lhuntley at fandm.edu> wrote:

> Or Santa and Lex Luthor.

Forbes apparently thought Santa tops and Lucius bottoms. {g}


> Didn't you see Lexmas?  *g*

Yes, I was actually very curious to see the episode.


> Oh, Smallville is crazy this season.  Craaaa-zy.  Vampires, strippers,
> and senators, oh my.

Just this season?  I dunno... I thought S4 was bad... err, crazy? {g} 
French witches possessing American teens... Hehe, sounds like
something on FF.net.  Super doggie?  Just to name a couple.  Speaking
of vampires, bringing in James Marsters (Buffy's Spike) as Professor
Fine/Brainiac was interesting, but unfortunately, underplayed. 
However, it did set up a stronger basis for Lex/Lana, which I'll talk
about further down.

Now, the stripper episode, Exposed (love how I can remember some
episode titles), wasn't bad partly because Erica Durance, who plays
Lois Lane, has a *nice* body.  C'mon, wasn't it classic for Clark to
fear her 'All American' boobies--though, it depends on how you define
'All American'. {chuckle}  While the Sorority of Vampires did have
some interesting female/female interaction.

Overall, IMO, S5 has so far been better at S4.  I caught bits of
Superman I and II (with Christopher Reeve) on one of the HBO channels
and... gah, 'behold, the power of cheese', indeed.  Fond memories of
watching the movies as a kid but maybe my viewings should've stayed as
memories.  Smallville also has, at times, that weird comical
'caricature' aspect the Superman movies presented.  The same thing
could be said about the Batman series and movies, which might explain
why Batman Begins took less of a comical take on the character.


> Totally unprepared for the level of Lana-hate and Chloe-love.  I guess
> I knew that Lana was not generally adored by the fandom (and she is a
> bit of a Mary Sue, so I can understand that), but who in their right
> mind could like Chloe?

Yeah, there is an impressive level of Lana-hate.  Kristin Kreuk is
very pretty but her character... meh. :-\  As to who in their right
mind would like Chloe, this probably says something about the state of
my mind but I kinda like her... when she's gagged and bound down. {g} 
Seriously, I do like her character *to a degree*.


> the characters mixed up.  *Chloe* is the whiny, manipulative one.  Not

She's kinda like the wannabe Lois Lane, which the SV writers then
decided Lois should be her cousin.


> drives me batty.  And the Trunk O' Sidekickiness?  Lame, lame, lame.

Oh, c'mon, that was funny!  It reminded me of the 'comic'
(questionable in connection to the next name), Carrot Top. :-)  Every
gal should have military grade weapons in her car trunk!


> IMO, she's the perfect example of what happens when new writers in a
> mythology get too attached to their OCs.
>
> . . . Had a bit of a rant there, didn't I?  *blushes*

I've seen worse. {g}  There's a multitude of SV 'fans' who can't say
anything nice about the series anymore and have retreated into fandom
only.  I guess they're SV *fandom* fans?


> Anyway . . . Lexmas.  Definitely delivered on generally holiday
> cheesiness, but Rosenbaum was excellent, as per usual.

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=LEXLUTHOR-TV-12-07-05

>From the above link, a brief interview with Rosenbaum:
[[
"When I first read page 1 of the script and the title, 'Lexmas,' I
almost vomited," Rosenbaum said. "I didn't want to be the first
Christmas story. I didn't want to be some bald guy in a Santa suit."

But Rosenbaum kept reading and discovered the story was really a
twisted version of the Frank Capra classic "It's A Wonderful Life." "I
kept reading and I couldn't put it down," he said.

He laughed. "I don't know if Frank Capra would have filmed this one."
]]

{chuckle}  Anyway, yes, Rosenbaum managed just fine and his character
revealing how much he felt for Lana opened up new questions (speaking
here as a slasher) of how much patience he had for Clark Kent as he
stood on the sidelines and his own insecurities, aside from the fact
of age issues.  The element of tragedy on the 'what-ifs' and choices
ultimately made by Lex Luthor were presented in such stark comparison
during Lexmas.

Rosenbaum does have the capability for a wide range of acting and I
know I wouldn't enjoy Smallville as much if he weren't on it.  At the
end of S4, Lex was dying as part of the season finale and this was
WB's way of saying 'did you request a pay raise, I don't think so'. 
With the recent airing of the History Channel's documentary on
villains in film, the antagonist/villain can be such a pivotal aspect
to the story and I'm a bit disappointed at how *seemingly*
inconsistent the SV writers have documented Lex's 'descent'.

There's still such a... 'human' aspect to Lex Luthor because he is
capable of kindness and compassion but this becomes steadily buried
under greed and paranoia.  This is why I felt depressed after watching
Lexmas--yeah, the episode had its cheesy moments but, to see Lex so
happy one moment and then so callous at the end, was sad.

I was also disappointed Rosenbaum didn't appear on last Thursday's
Regis and Kelly because I thought it might involve some Lexmas
promoting. :-\  Instead, they had George Clooney.


> I wasn't
> expecting to like the Lex/Lana SHIP, but it actually got to me, a
> little bit (although I think that was largely due to the ever-so-rare
> Happy!Lex, which kills me every time).  Although . . . he's loved her
> since she was fourteen?  Uh, okay, Lex.

Maybe more near fifteen. {g}  And let's say it was more of a...
platonic love that progressed to something deeper as she got older. 
Lex tended to be protective of Lana but also actually encouraged her
to be independent as well (making her think beyond simplistic
nostalgia for the Talon, having her take self-defense courses, giving
her 'loans' to experience France for herself--though, this lead to one
of SV's more 'meh' storylines).

Bringing in the alien ship for S5 gave Lex and Lana a shared 'secret'
because both are curious as to how much the other knows.  Plus, Lana
may feel emboldened from 'knowledge withheld' because of all the years
Clark's been secretive and here's this secret where she believes Clark
has no knowledge of.  Power play.

Hm, for a brief moment, I started thinking of Pygmalion's (AKA My Fair
Lady) Professor Higgins and Eliza Doolittle.  Lex has 'moulded' Lana
via the experiences he has allowed her to partake of, and along the
way, he's become attracted to her.


> Laura (who doesn't know quite what to make of the new season.)

I'm enjoying the 'ride', so far. :-)  It's like eating chicken:
extract the edible bits and discard the rest.  For slashers in a
multitude of fandoms, this technique is often associated with the
'River of DeNial'.  Smallville... Harry Potter and more... they're
fandoms not really *intended* [by their creators] to be
'intellectualized' but fans still critically examine them.

Though, it's a pity the SV fandom has relocated mostly to forums and
LiveJournal because I'm very bad at keeping up on those formats. 
Also, I'm not forgetting the animosity some feel towards the
Smallville series.  I've tried to have a decent banter about
Smallville but series bashing is very much disheartening.  I've been
in the Vampire Chronicles, Star Trek, HBO's Oz, LOTR, and, of course,
Harry Potter fandoms and I can say Smallville has been the most... :-\
for a new fan, it's been the most 'challenging', especially if you
don't 'friend' *at least* twenty personal LJs and voice how much you
hate *everything* about the series.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 03:19:35 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:19:35 -0500
Subject: Richest guys in Forbes (e.g. Santa, Lucius Malfoy, more)
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400512111907t57ac789fw578b09892db84ec2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400512101844w11c7e15dha711f80962a41d76@mail.gmail.com>
	 <7a39dee54b33f88bf83b094d806ae159@fandm.edu>
	 <1a2738400512111907t57ac789fw578b09892db84ec2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400512111919n4f27c7a9pada653e47498bc3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:

> end of S4, Lex was dying as part of the season finale and this was

My bad: S4 should be S3.

Though, IMO, Rosenbaum did earn a raise after good work done in S3.

Hehe, this coming from a gal who'd rather see Rosenbaum in drag. {g} 
Poor guy, no wonder he decided to turn down a role as a gay soldier;
I'd have him typecast in a heartbeat.

{chuckle} There was this line from an SV fic where Lionel Luthor tells
Clark Kent that despite Lex frequently wearing purple and having a
keen fashion sense, his son isn't gay.  Speaking of attire, Lex's
lavender/purple shirts on Smallville have become more plum-colored
during later seasons.

Dina



From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Mon Dec 12 05:36:51 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:36:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Richest guys in Forbes (e.g. Santa, Lucius Malfoy, more)
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400512111907t57ac789fw578b09892db84ec2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400512101844w11c7e15dha711f80962a41d76@mail.gmail.com> <7a39dee54b33f88bf83b094d806ae159@fandm.edu> <1a2738400512111907t57ac789fw578b09892db84ec2@mail.gmail.com>
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Laura (me):
>> Oh, Smallville is crazy this season.  Craaaa-zy.  Vampires, strippers,
>> and senators, oh my.

Dina:
> Just this season?  I dunno... I thought S4 was bad... err, crazy? {g}
> French witches possessing American teens... Hehe, sounds like
> something on FF.net.  Super doggie?  Just to name a couple.

Isn't Krypto part of the original mythology, at least?  And you know, 
I've decided that I kind of liked Isobel.  She was fiesty.   Also, I'm 
pretty sure she could kick Keanu Reeves' ass.  Gotta love that in a 
girl.

Actually, the crazier it gets, the better I like it.  Smallville's all 
about escapism for me, really.

Dina:
> Speaking
> of vampires, bringing in James Marsters (Buffy's Spike) as Professor
> Fine/Brainiac was interesting, but unfortunately, underplayed.

Hmmm.  Agreed.

Dina:
> Now, the stripper episode, Exposed (love how I can remember some
> episode titles), wasn't bad partly because Erica Durance, who plays
> Lois Lane, has a *nice* body.

You'll get no arguments here. ^_~  I agree with what you said further 
down, though.  Her character *is* a lot like Chloe . . . and yet, 
instead of being irritated by her, I get a kick out of her.  I think 
the difference must be that Lois is generally acknowledged as being 
annoying *within* the show itself, which makes for entertainment, 
rather than failed cute-ness.

Also -- C'mon Chloe.  Volunteering your own cousin to strip?  I have 
words for girls like you.

On another note, though . . . As much as I enjoy how much Lois' . . . 
err, less admirable traits get on Clark's nerves, I can't help but 
agree with him.  I'm not sure how the writers are planning to reconcile 
her character with the fact she's The One for Clark.  I mean, put 
yourself in *his* shoes.  How do you pick Lois Lane over Lana?  
Seriously.

Dina:
> C'mon, wasn't it classic for Clark to
> fear her 'All American' boobies--though, it depends on how you define
> 'All American'. {chuckle}

*blinks* You mean they're not real?! *is shocked and disillusioned*

Dina:
> Yeah, there is an impressive level of Lana-hate.  Kristin Kreuk is
> very pretty but her character... meh. :-\  As to who in their right
> mind would like Chloe, this probably says something about the state of
> my mind but I kinda like her... when she's gagged and bound down. {g}
> Seriously, I do like her character *to a degree*.

Heh, didn't mean to insult your sanity there.  Sorry.  Actually, I used 
to hate Chloe a lot more than I do now, mostly due to the fact that 
I've recently re-watched the entire series with the LOML, and he 
*loathes* her.  Funnily enough, it's made her a bit more likable for 
me.

The thing about Chloe is, that's she's just sort of a horrible person 
and a bad friend.  She does terrible things, violates other people's 
privacy like nobody's business, throws ridiculous temper tantrums 
because she seems to be under the impression that she *owns* Clark, and 
now she's apparently taken to encouraging Clark to lie to Lana like 
it's some kind of game.  Ergh.  She is *way* less trustworthy than Lex, 
IMO, and yet Clark *always* forgives her.  Always!  How come Lex never 
gets that kind of leniency?

But . . . uh, other than all *that*, I don't really mind her so much 
anymore. (I swear!) ^_~

Dina:
> <SNIP>
> The element of tragedy on the 'what-ifs' and choices
> ultimately made by Lex Luthor were presented in such stark comparison
> during Lexmas.
> <SNIP>
> There's still such a... 'human' aspect to Lex Luthor because he is
> capable of kindness and compassion but this becomes steadily buried
> under greed and paranoia.  This is why I felt depressed after watching
> Lexmas--yeah, the episode had its cheesy moments but, to see Lex so
> happy one moment and then so callous at the end, was sad.

It was sad.  That's what I meant about Happy!Lex killing me.  Because 
you just *know* that he's doomed -- even if you didn't know anything 
about the Superman story at all, you can just *tell* -- but you can't 
help but hope for him.  He's an inherently good person, I think -- 
maybe even better than Clark, but his experiences have completely 
killed that potential.  *sigh* It's incredibly depressing, especially 
when an episode like 'Lexmas' spells it out in living color.

Thanks for sharing the quote, by the way.  It was interesting.

Laura (me):
>> I wasn't
>> expecting to like the Lex/Lana SHIP, but it actually got to me, a
>> little bit (although I think that was largely due to the ever-so-rare
>> Happy!Lex, which kills me every time).  Although . . . he's loved her
>> since she was fourteen?  Uh, okay, Lex.

Dina:
> Maybe more near fifteen. {g}  And let's say it was more of a...
> platonic love that progressed to something deeper as she got older.
> Lex tended to be protective of Lana but also actually encouraged her
> to be independent as well (making her think beyond simplistic
> nostalgia for the Talon, having her take self-defense courses, giving
> her 'loans' to experience France for herself--though, this lead to one
> of SV's more 'meh' storylines).

*g* Okay, you've sold me.  I guess the reason I wasn't terribly 
thrilled with the idea of Lex/Lana  . . . What does the fandom call 
them? Lexana?  How come we don't do that so much in HP?  Hermiron.  
Huh.  Anyway, the reason I wasn't so on-board with it was because, as 
much as I don't hate Lana, I think there's a limit to how many of your 
male leads should fall for your female lead, no matter how wonderful 
she may be.  But you're right . . . there's a definite edge there, what 
with their secret-keeping from Clark and his role as her mentor.  And 
after Lexmas, I challenge anyone who says MR and KK don't have 
chemistry.

Laura (who has decided to skip the Smallville fandom altogether, and 
who has instead been getting her Smallville banter from somewhat 
unwilling sources, such as the LOHL and her roommates.)




From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 12 13:45:01 2005
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:45:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Happy Holidays Everyone--really miss you guys!
Message-ID: <20051212134501.83447.qmail@web54513.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,
   
  Long time, I know.  Not on line at home and have limited access to the web.  Man, it's tough.  Hopefully, will be on-line at home soon.
   
  In the mean time, have read Book 6 twice, still can't get ove DD.  But I suppose this is the only way our Harry is really going to become a man.
   
  Wishing all the happiest of holiday,
  DD Forever!!
    http://www.cafepress.com/bft.40008255/?pid=1028811/?pid=1028811
   
  ~Paula Gaon
   



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From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 13:40:44 2005
From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:40:44 -0000
Subject: Can still hear JKR / Stephen Fry discussion on BBC Radio 4
Message-ID: <000001c5ff21$a94a4e30$25353a9d@europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

I just caught up on Saturday morning's discussion between Stephen Fry and JKR. It will be online for a week if you are interested http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/shows/rpms/radio4/livingwithharrypotter.ram http://tinyurl.com/ddb44

It is quite funny - JKR takes over the reigns halfway through the 30 minutes and starts quizzing Stephen about various aspects of the reading process (e.g. how does he do women's voices, how does he choose voices, which scenes are hard, which character he identifies most with). He also mentioned that the sound engineers send him a CD with a snippet of each character on so that he can remind himself how they sound. I wish I had one of them for when I'm reading it aloud to my kids!

Cheers,

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 21:25:57 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:25:57 -0500
Subject: Show me your ti... shopping lists!
Message-ID: <1a2738400512121325p49b8052fk8f3773188718887c@mail.gmail.com>

Anyway, suggestions on last minute gifts under $25?

I hit http://www.physlink.com/estore/  for some 'geeky' stocking
stuffers.  I know my sister-in-law is into gardening, so I got her the
dinosaur plant and a crystal growing kit (seemed like fun stuff even
for an adult).  Though, most of the crystal kits were sold out.

I visited http://www.geeks.com/  and my brother and boss have PSPs, so
I got them PSP accessory kits while they were on sale for $13.99 and I
also purchased 'staple-less staplers' out of curiosity if they're junk
or not... again, stocking stuffers.

Boss's sister I hit http://www.drugstore.com/ and got her some
Philosophy liquid soap and the same thing for my sister-in-law.  Buy
two products and get a freebie lip balm.  Free shipping.

Staples.com and got the P-Touch labeler while it was $10 and some
wordlocks for $3/each.  Free shipping.

Okay, my boss's father... so what do you get a 70+ year old Greek millionaire?

http://dealnews.com/  has been helpful in finding discounts and also
ideas.  Heh: http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/602-9536624-3363029?asin=B0007U8MSA
   (some odd gift ideas - was thinking about the 'grow dammit' stone
{g})

Dina



From annemflynn at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 12 22:11:13 2005
From: annemflynn at yahoo.com (Anne Marie Flynn)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:11:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Show me your ti... shopping lists!
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400512121325p49b8052fk8f3773188718887c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051212221113.92365.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:    Anyway, suggestions on last minute gifts under $25
   
   
  Dina, Thanks for sending the e-mail! My nephew is REALLY into dinosaurs and I think he'll really like that plant! I never saw something like that. He's only 3 and not only knows all the dinosaurs names, but when they lived, whether or not they were herbivores or carnivores and the whole bit. Anyway, I found that first site really helpful.  Thanks again!




Anne Marie

www.tomandanneflynn.com


			
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Dec 12 23:29:15 2005
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:29:15 -0000
Subject: REQ: HP fountain pen info?
Message-ID: <dnl14b+dfqd@eGroups.com>


I collect fountain pens and ran across reference to some Harry
Potter fountain pens by bic, but can find them absolutely no
where on the net except for one reference from the Leaky cauldron
to a bic page, but there just seems no where to be found as far
as buying is concerned. I have friends in Europe who would send
them to me. Does anyone know if these really exist?

kchuplis










From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 16:13:11 2005
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:13:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: REQ: HP fountain pen info?
In-Reply-To: <1134481930.298.2045.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051213161311.85835.qmail@web50514.mail.yahoo.com>

Here!

http://www.bicworld.com/inter_en/bdd/product_writing.asp?product_id=266

Too bad they're only sold in Europe.  I'd ask for them for Christmas otherwise.

Christine



I collect fountain pens and ran across reference to some Harry
Potter fountain pens by bic, but can find them absolutely no
where on the net except for one reference from the Leaky cauldron
to a bic page, but there just seems no where to be found as far
as buying is concerned. I have friends in Europe who would send
them to me. Does anyone know if these really exist?

kchuplis




			
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From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:27:44 2005
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:27:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: REQ: HP fountain pen info?
In-Reply-To: <20051213161311.85835.qmail@web50514.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1134481930.298.2045.m20@yahoogroups.com>
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Message-ID: <d4a040d0512130827n63ef3c03sce3a66fa18f75401@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone live in Europe who would be willing to purchase these and send
them to the US??   I will be happy to put money in the mail right now and
pay for their time and trouble!!  Pleeeeaase, I am on my knees begging!!

Tonya


On 12/13/05, Christine Acker <hphgrwlca at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Here!
>
> http://www.bicworld.com/inter_en/bdd/product_writing.asp?product_id=266
>
> Too bad they're only sold in Europe.  I'd ask for them for Christmas
> otherwise.
>
> Christine
>
>
>
> I collect fountain pens and ran across reference to some Harry
> Potter fountain pens by bic, but can find them absolutely no
> where on the net except for one reference from the Leaky cauldron
> to a bic page, but there just seems no where to be found as far
> as buying is concerned. I have friends in Europe who would send
> them to me. Does anyone know if these really exist?
>
> kchuplis
>
>
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Dec 13 16:51:49 2005
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:51:49 -0000
Subject: REQ: HP fountain pen info?
In-Reply-To: <20051213161311.85835.qmail@web50514.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dnmu75+oup4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Christine Acker 
<hphgrwlca at y...> wrote:
>
> Here!
> 
> http://www.bicworld.com/inter_en/bdd/product_writing.asp?
product_id=266
> 
> Too bad they're only sold in Europe.  I'd ask for them for Christmas 
otherwise.

Thanks. I've seen that but there is still no other site than that 
anywhere that I can find where one might actually purchase them (or 
direct a European friend to for purchasing them.) I kind of wonder if 
they really exist.

kchuplis






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 19:13:52 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:13:52 -0000
Subject: That Annoying 'Island' Pop-Down Ad Banner
Message-ID: <dnn6hg+nok9@eGroups.com>

Is it just me, or are others having a problem with that annoying
pop-down Ad banner for the 'Island' movie at the top of the page?

Every time your mouse pointer gets anywhere near it, it pops down and
covers a large part of the screen. To make matters worse, on my
computer, all the links that were covered by the Ad banner stop working.

I don't know about you but I find it very tedeous and annoying and
will be glad when the movie finally opens and we can get rid of that
banner.

Just venting a bit.

Thanks,

Steve/bboyminn







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 20:23:30 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:23:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] That Annoying 'Island' Pop-Down Ad Banner
In-Reply-To: <dnn6hg+nok9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051213202330.69264.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com>

Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:     Is it just me, or are others having a problem with that annoying
pop-down Ad banner for the 'Island' movie at the top of the page?

Every time your mouse pointer gets anywhere near it, it pops down and
covers a large part of the screen. To make matters worse, on my
computer, all the links that were covered by the Ad banner stop working.

I don't know about you but I find it very tedeous and annoying and
will be glad when the movie finally opens and we can get rid of that
banner.

  I haven't noticed.  Is it when you're on Yahoo?  I dragged my mouse around the add banner and noticed nothing unusual.
   
  By the by, 'The Island' already openned.  It's being released on DVD.  Not sure if having it be a DVD makes it worse as it didn't do to well in the box office, IIRC.  Though it was one the years better sci/fi, but nothing compared to 'Serenity', a movie banner I would support disrupting my links.
   
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 20:36:10 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:36:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] That Annoying 'Island' Pop-Down Ad Banner
In-Reply-To: <dnn6hg+nok9@eGroups.com>
References: <dnn6hg+nok9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400512131236v30b9c129ob88f323ec120fcd5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is it just me, or are others having a problem with that annoying
> pop-down Ad banner for the 'Island' movie at the top of the page?

On Yahoogroups?  I don't think I've ever seen it.  Then again, I have
to keep Javascript turned off because Gmail crashes Firefox and
Internet Explorer (and sometimes freezes up the entire system)... my
computer is old.  Mac's Safari browser doesn't show it either.

Also, the Island *movie*?  The same one with the clones?  I thought
that movie already came out in theaters this year and did poorly?

Dina



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Dec 13 23:23:51 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:23:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] REQ: HP fountain pen info?
In-Reply-To: <dnl14b+dfqd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6003c$46f97870$65a4a8c0@rosie>

I don't know about fountain pens, but there are "quills" which are basically
standard pens, come with stand that looks like an ink well.

http://www.alivans.com

Now, there are some lovely items!  I've sent some--uh--suggestions to family
members with links from the site.  Christmas should be fun!

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Hoping her brother will get her the Gryffindor scarf...)

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Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
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Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From ragingjess at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 13 23:44:25 2005
From: ragingjess at hotmail.com (Jessica Bathurst)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:44:25 -0500
Subject: DADA Reference in Slate
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2977DF24E6008EB89C3C74D4390@phx.gbl>

Finally, a journalist answers the burning question:  what organization has 
more staff turnover than Hogwarts?

http://www.slate.com/id/2132036/?nav=navoa

I guess things could be worse for Snape.

Yours in frigid Brooklyn,
Jessica

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 23:58:40 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:58:40 -0500
Subject: Show me your ti... shopping lists!
In-Reply-To: <20051212221113.92365.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	 <20051212221113.92365.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On 12/12/05, Anne Marie Flynn <annemflynn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> and I think he'll really like that plant! I never saw something like that.
> He's only 3 and not only knows all the dinosaurs names, but when they lived,
> whether or not they were herbivores or carnivores and the whole bit. Anyway,
> I found that first site really helpful.  Thanks again!

I thought it had some nifty stuff.  Primarily for kids and 'education'
but some seemed 'all-ages'. {g}

I'm glad for internet shopping after standing in line for half an hour
at the post office.  Today alone, I've had USPS, FedEx, UPS, and DHL
drop off packages I've ordered from online.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 04:01:47 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:01:47 -0500
Subject: Squee! Perfect *cheap* posters!
Message-ID: <1a2738400512132001o32d307bbmf583ccf4d7fa747b@mail.gmail.com>

When I say 'cheap', at least no buyers remorse at paying $6/poster
versus $1,075.00 for a Michael Rosenbaum poster:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4801945757

Granted, it's for a good charity but I saw the panic attack Josie was
going through when she realized she'd be forking out over a *thousand*
dollars.  Getting something with his full signature (usually, it's
just an M and R...kinda squiggle) and it being legit is costly... but
*damn*.

Anyway...

I got a couple Sorority Boys posters and they're *perfect*!  Oh my,
that made me very happy!  Not a crease and they're smooth and smell
'new'--heh, maybe it's a good thing the movie didn't do so well
because there's probably numerous 'untouched' posters.  I've collected
various posters in other fandoms and these are in beautiful condition!

The only downer being I spent over $290 on incompatible computer
memory for the motherboard because the item description listed more
than one model and I was an idiot to not ask *which* model. {shakes
head}  I usually know better to ask.  The seller says he does refunds
but I'll still lose out on return shipping.  Oh well, better than
nothing... that is if I get item cost refunded. :-\

Dude, *perfect* Sorority Boys posters! :-)

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0279781/Ss/0279781/Sorority-Onesheet.jpg

The file name lists it as the one-side and I got the theater
double-side but they're the same image.  What I didn't know until I
got the posters was the red movie title is actually
holographic/sparkly. :-)  Tacky... and I like it.

Dina



From viennagarwood at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 16 03:39:02 2005
From: viennagarwood at yahoo.com (Vienna)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:39:02 -0000
Subject: Hi there- Favor please?
Message-ID: <dntcsm+k721@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone- I'm writing a term paper for my Pop Culture class about 
the fandom of adult Harry Potter fans. This is a really good paper for 
me to write, because my research includes reading Harry Potter fan 
sites- something I usually do to procrastinate. Anyway, this paper is 
due at 12 noon tomorrow, and I was hoping to ask someone a few 
questions about Harry Potter in their lives. Anyone up for a short, 
informal interview? Please please help! 









From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 04:09:10 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:09:10 -0800
Subject: Hair removal via waxing - bleh
Message-ID: <1a2738400512172009o2a18218ds946cfc0418c32b01@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying Moom and it's not bad in the 'pain' department when the
strips were ripped off my legs.  I usually shave my legs but I decided
to try waxing once more and basically got the same results (tried Nads
before and it was a bit more 'ouch').  Probably because I'm too poor
to get it done by a salon. {g}  Heck, I cut my own hair too.

Hm, yeah the hair is mostly gone but it seems as if *every* pore is
red and some were bleeding and the skin is uber-sensitive.  So, not so
much pain but I'd like to know how skin can look 'normal' after being
waxed and the awkwardness of wax application on the under/backside of
legs.  I'll keep trying and maybe it's something practice improves on
and the pores get used to.

I know some claim plucking eyebrows is uncomfortable but I don't feel
any discomfort... just this sense of something being removed.  Then
again, I've been plucking my brows nearly every day for over ten
years.

Dina



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Date: 18 Dec 2005 06:57:01 -0000
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From m0hemjohnotoole2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 19 09:10:30 2005
From: m0hemjohnotoole2001 at yahoo.com (john)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:10:30 -0000
Subject: merry christmas
Message-ID: <do5te6+flj2@eGroups.com>

73 m0hem john









From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Dec 19 14:44:46 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:44:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] merry christmas
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[You wrote]:

| 73 m0hem john

[Lee]:
88 de N2FGC  :-)

Which brings up an interesting question: How many ham operators are here?
:-)  It would be interesting to find out. :-)

Wel, I'm off to find some munchies and then work on my--uh--Christmas
present...a just rebuilt computer which I had done to handle all my sound
editing and such. (Dina's thinkings were a bad influence on me!) <Evil Grin>

Cheers,

73 & 88

Lee - N2FGC
n2fgc at arrl.net

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 21:14:01 2005
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:14:01 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hair removal via waxing - bleh
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OUCH........  I don't pluck eyebrows I go for waxing........  ONLY when my
mom says the uni-brow looks is not working for me.

Good luck!!
Tonya


On 12/17/05, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm trying Moom and it's not bad in the 'pain' department when the
> strips were ripped off my legs.  I usually shave my legs but I decided
> to try waxing once more and basically got the same results (tried Nads
> before and it was a bit more 'ouch').  Probably because I'm too poor
> to get it done by a salon. {g}  Heck, I cut my own hair too.
>
> Hm, yeah the hair is mostly gone but it seems as if *every* pore is
> red and some were bleeding and the skin is uber-sensitive.  So, not so
> much pain but I'd like to know how skin can look 'normal' after being
> waxed and the awkwardness of wax application on the under/backside of
> legs.  I'll keep trying and maybe it's something practice improves on
> and the pores get used to.
>
> I know some claim plucking eyebrows is uncomfortable but I don't feel
> any discomfort... just this sense of something being removed.  Then
> again, I've been plucking my brows nearly every day for over ten
> years.
>
> Dina
>
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 23:34:55 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:34:55 -0500
Subject: 100 worst movies Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hair removal via waxing - bleh
Message-ID: <1a2738400512191534w2e643cf1i7847844048ca6ab3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Tonya Minton <tonyaminton at gmail.com> wrote:
> OUCH........  I don't pluck eyebrows I go for waxing........  ONLY when my
> mom says the uni-brow looks is not working for me.

{chuckle}

Speaking of ouch, IMDB folks voted for the 100 worst movies at
http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom

I have the minor consolation that Sorority Boys isn't in that
listing... Probably because not enough folk have seen it. {g}  Y'all
may get tired of me saying this but I loved that movie!

Though, I still want to see The Fog, which I heard was bad even before
it premiered, to speck out Tom Welling.  Otherwise, I've only seen a
handful of these movies.  Heh, I kinda liked Spice World for the 'eye
candy' appeal--best to watch the movie in mute.

Dina



From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Tue Dec 20 01:43:15 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee chase)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:43:15 -0000
Subject: No Christmas for JKR's website?
In-Reply-To: <dncrgc+7ad5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <do7njj+uigj@eGroups.com>

<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
>
> Last year at this time JKR had an Advent calendar on her "Extra 
Stuff"
> page and tinsel all over the place, along with blue Christmas 
ribbons
> that could serve as Hanukkah or generic holiday ribbons on just 
about
> every page and poinsettias in place of daffodils on the table by 
the
> door with the "Do Not Disturb" sign. I can see JKR herself being 
too
> busy to update her pages, but doesn't she have a Web-Elf (erm, a
> professional website designer) to help her out? Or did someone
> complain that Advent calendars and Christmas decorations were
> "intolerant" (politically incorrect)? The characters in her books
> celebrate Christmas, and JKR should be allowed to do so as well.
> 
> Or maybe, having given us HBP, she thinks we don't need anything to
> cheer us up? No, *that* can't be it!
> 
> Carol, wondering if she's the only one who's disappointed by the 
lack
> of updates to the site

Luckdragon:
Well it's finally been updated for Christmas. Looks the same as  
last year, but I'm thrilled there's been a change. Do we dare to 
hope for a new FAQ poll for Christmas? 
>







From Debby970095 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 02:11:11 2005
From: Debby970095 at aol.com (Debby970095 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:11:11 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] GOF Toys
Message-ID: <207.f7f6919.30d8c23f@aol.com>

I have not seen any toys for GoF but I did get the Harry Potter Scene for  my 
9th wedding anniversary from my husband. It was fun to play. As I am such a  
fan hubby does not like to paly much because he always looses!! LOL!! It is  
really neat! It has four pewter pieces as the pawns, the Hogwarts express, the  
Sorting Hat, the Golden Snitch, and Hedwig. It runs about $30 at Wal-mart and 
 $35 at Toys R Us.
 
Debby


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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Dec 20 05:31:14 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:31:14 -0000
Subject: 100 worst movies Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hair removal via waxing - bleh
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400512191534w2e643cf1i7847844048ca6ab3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <do84v2+mm68@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
>
> On 12/19/05, Tonya Minton <tonyaminton at g...> wrote:
> > OUCH........  I don't pluck eyebrows I go for waxing........  ONLY 
when my
> > mom says the uni-brow looks is not working for me.
> 
> {chuckle}
> 
> Speaking of ouch, IMDB folks voted for the 100 worst movies at
> http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom

What should be most sobering is that nearly all of these films were 
released within the last decade.  Surely this presages the total 
collapse of Western Civilization. There have been so many bad movies 
made since 1996 that Ed Wood's Plan Nine From Outer Space (with an 
average rating of 3.5) is way too good to make the list.

   - CMC (who eats less and less popcorn every year)







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 06:13:44 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:13:44 -0500
Subject: 100 worst movies Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hair removal via waxing - bleh
In-Reply-To: <do84v2+mm68@eGroups.com>
References: <1a2738400512191534w2e643cf1i7847844048ca6ab3@mail.gmail.com>
	 <do84v2+mm68@eGroups.com>
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On 12/20/05, Caius Marcius <coriolan at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> What should be most sobering is that nearly all of these films were
> released within the last decade.  Surely this presages the total
> collapse of Western Civilization. There have been so many bad movies
> made since 1996 that Ed Wood's Plan Nine From Outer Space (with an
> average rating of 3.5) is way too good to make the list.

However, that movie falls under the 'so bad, it's "cult" cool' category. ;-)

There's a bit of irony in the complaints about box office revenues not
being what they were because of internet downloads.  Yes, there's
probably some truth to that but the movies are also losing their
appeal.

For all those Oscar-winning movies, very few of them seem, for lack of
a better word, entertaining.  Case in point, Sideways was supposedly a
good movie but both my brother and his wife (they're in their 40s)
thought the movie boring.  While movies that viewers hope will be
'entertaining', are sometimes disappointing in storyline (the usual
complaint), acting, etc.

I'd really hate to think we've reached a Hollywood saturation point
where it's mostly downhill... Though, there can never be enough
Michael Rosenbaum in drag movies! :-D

I've never been a 'movie' person but almost *all* of
HBO/Cinemax/Showtime's recent box office movies they're 'premiering'
don't interest me.  I'm finding more interesting movies renting
'independent' and older films.  I've added IFC to my usual channel
flipping line-up.

One 'discovery' was seeing Mala Educaci?n (Bad Education -
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275491/ ) and I thought it a fairly good
movie that apparently got some award nominations and wins
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275491/awards ...Heh, yeah, it's got guys
in drag and explicit m/m sex but there's an interesting 'story within
a story' appeal.  Oh, and degrees of separation from Harry Potter: Bad
Education stars Gael Garcia Bernal who also stars in Y tu Mam? Tambi?n
(And Your Mother Too) which is directed by Alfonso Cuaron. {g}

Dina




Dina



From j.wolf at sympatico.ca  Tue Dec 20 15:17:46 2005
From: j.wolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:17:46 -0000
Subject: NEWS FLASH
Message-ID: <do97aq+g8gn@eGroups.com>




* NEWS FLASH! *



COMING IN THE NEW YEAR: There's a lot that I've been working on this 
year. My interests seem to be all over the place this year
.

There's a new novel I've been thinking about. I have recently 
finished my first dark children's' tale entitled THE GHOST MIRROR. 
It is a children's novel that I fashioned after the likes of Alice 
in Wonderland meets Edward Gorey and The Brother's Grimm. It is 
under option at Lobster Press for publication.  Send me luck, I'm 
gonna need it.

In the meantime, I've been working on the sequel to THE GHOST 
MIRROR. This new novel is titled THE SILVER GLASS.

There is a web site that is available for THE GHOST MIRROR. It can 
be found at the following link:

http://crowswolf.tripod.com/theghostmirror/

Stay tuned for news on both novels! 

But in the meantime, I'm going to be starting something that I know 
a few people have been waiting for. The last book in the ELECTRIC 
TRILOGY: ELECTRIC RED!

A Website is currently under construction for ELECTRIC PINK, the 
first book in the trilogy. It can be found here:

http://crowswolf.tripod.com/electricpink/

It is currently under construction. Stay tuned for news too: 
Electric Pink is currently under option at Twilight Times Books!


ELECTRIC RED: The Last Breath will begin in January of 2006, just in 
time for the New Year. I know, this is later than I've posted on my 
web site. I had to figure out the end to DRAGON'S COVE. I had 
something close to a very large block, where words just weren't 
coming. But I pushed hard and the end to DRAGON'S COVE is near! 

After that, I can focus on ELECTRIC RED and not even I know where 
it's going to go. I wanted to approach the novel as freshly as I 
could. I've found doing the HOPE FALLS TRILOGY a little tough, doing 
three of the same novel in a row. I wanted to keep the ELECTRIC 
TRILOGY fresh, so I've waited a bit. Now I'm worried it's going to 
be a bit too fresh. * Grin*  Here's the site for ELECTRIC RED: THE 
LAST BREATH: 


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Electric_Red/

HAPPY EARLY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE. May your Holidays be Breathless



~ TEACHING ~


 I'm also going to be teaching for LONG STORY SHORT SCHOOL OF 
WRITING! This is not the first time I have taught, but it will be 
the first time I'm teaching a subject I love: Writing. 

http://www.lsswritingschool.com/TheMuse/

I'll be teaching a class called: THE MUSE and it will teach writing 
from a different point of view. For in order to write, you need to 
find the inspiration: Conversation, Music, Time; how do those words 
inspire you? 


- NON FICTION -

I'm also going to be working on my first book of non-fiction. I 
thought it would be fun, actually. Here's hoping. It will be a how 
to book based on teachings in THE MUSE and my monthly workshop of 
the same name, recently published in Word Muse. More info is 
available at my website. 


THAT'S ALL THE NEWS THERE IS FOR NOW! Happy Clicking and Happy 
Reading! 


Cheers and Happy Holidays, 



Jamieson Wolf



"...I, Isis, am all that has been, that is or shall be; no mortal 
man hath ever me unveiled...."

http://crowswolf.tripod.com/jamiesonwolfvilleneuve  

j.wolf at symatico.ca













From joseph at kirtland.com  Tue Dec 20 23:40:06 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:40:06 -0000
Subject: merry christmas
In-Reply-To: <002d01c604aa$c1f9c1c0$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <doa4om+jlpl@eGroups.com>

Hand in air, waving wildly.

73, 88

Joe, N6DGY
Pleasant Grove, Utah


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is 
the Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
>
> [You wrote]:
> 
> | 73 m0hem john
> 
> [Lee]:
> 88 de N2FGC  :-)
> 
> Which brings up an interesting question: How many ham operators 
are here?
> :-)  It would be interesting to find out. :-)
> 
> Wel, I'm off to find some munchies and then work on my--uh--
Christmas
> present...a just rebuilt computer which I had done to handle all 
my sound
> editing and such. (Dina's thinkings were a bad influence on me!) 
<Evil Grin>
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 73 & 88
> 
> Lee - N2FGC
> n2fgc at a...
> 
> Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
> I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
> Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at a... (or)
> I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at o...
> Walk beside me, and be my friend.
>








From marilynpeake at cs.com  Wed Dec 21 03:49:27 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:49:27 -0000
Subject: JKR Future projects
In-Reply-To: <20051127184713.84071.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <doajc7+10lrj@eGroups.com>

Hi, Rod,

I read somewhere - maybe on her website - that J.K. Rowling is 
considering writing an entirely different type of book, maybe even an 
adult book, and that she might write it under a pen name in order to 
avoid the usual publicity.  I'm really hoping that she doesn't use a 
pen name because I would love to read a book for adults written by J.K. 
Rowling!

Cheers,
Marilyn
http://www.marilynpeake.com

FREE "Online CD" ~ featuring Stargate SG-1 authors, other novelists, 
free poems, free short stories:
http://www.webspin.org/fq/fantasticqueensland.html

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Rod McFadden <rgmcf at y...> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure, somewhere, someone's asked JKR about post-Potter 
projects.  Does anyone know if and where I might find the reply?







From marilynpeake at cs.com  Wed Dec 21 03:54:06 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:54:06 -0000
Subject: Show me your ti... shopping lists!
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400512121325p49b8052fk8f3773188718887c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <doajku+c18c@eGroups.com>

Hi, Dina,

Do any of the people on your list like to receive books?  Do they 
have a Palm reader?  You could always give them eBooks - Many only 
cost around $5 or $6.  Also, candy is good.  I found quite a few 
Harry Potter candies for stocking stuffers this year, including 
Chocolate Frogs.  I also found Star Wars Pez dispensers! :)

Happy Holidays,
Marilyn
http://www.marilynpeake.com

FREE "Online CD" ~ featuring Stargate SG-1 authors, other novelists, 
free poems, free short stories:
http://www.webspin.org/fq/fantasticqueensland.html

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
>
>> Anyway, suggestions on last minute gifts under $25?







From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed Dec 21 04:12:18 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:12:18 -0000
Subject: No Christmas for JKR's website?
In-Reply-To: <do7njj+uigj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <doakn2+qhp2@eGroups.com>

I can't remember if the radio played "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" 
last year.  Too bad the radio doesn't cycle through more than one song.

Joe



> Well it's finally been updated for Christmas. Looks the same as  
> last year, but I'm thrilled there's been a change. Do we dare to 
> hope for a new FAQ poll for Christmas? 
> >
>







From bumbledore at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 08:53:41 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:53:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: merry christmas
References: <doa4om+jlpl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c6060c$0b297b80$6601a8c0@cauldron1>

Sending up a burst of CW: KA8CTF, Ham op for over 27 years. Original call 
sign too!



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: merry christmas


> Hand in air, waving wildly.
>
> 73, 88
>
> Joe, N6DGY
> Pleasant Grove, Utah
>
>
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>>
>> [You wrote]:
>>
>> | 73 m0hem john
>>
>> [Lee]:
>> 88 de N2FGC  :-)
>>
>> Which brings up an interesting question: How many ham operators
> are here?
>> :-)  It would be interesting to find out. :-)
>>
>> Wel, I'm off to find some munchies and then work on my--uh--
> Christmas
>> present...a just rebuilt computer which I had done to handle all
> my sound
>> editing and such. (Dina's thinkings were a bad influence on me!)
> <Evil Grin>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> 73 & 88
>>
>> Lee - N2FGC
>> n2fgc at a...
>>
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From desiivy at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 22 03:50:12 2005
From: desiivy at yahoo.com (Ivy)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:50:12 -0000
Subject: A question about the title of book one
Message-ID: <dod7pk+f78f@eGroups.com>


Any body know the reason why they changed the name of book one? My kid asked me and I didn't know.  

     Thanks, Ivy



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From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Thu Dec 22 15:41:50 2005
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Kristin Dumas)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:41:50 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question about the title of book one
In-Reply-To: <dod7pk+f78f@eGroups.com>
References: <dod7pk+f78f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <43AAC93E.9090205@kingwoodcable.com>

As I understand it, they changed it because they felt "Sorcerer" would 
appeal to American children more so than "Philosopher", and would boost 
book sales.

Ivy wrote:

>Any body know the reason why they changed the name of book one? My kid asked me and I didn't know.  
>
>     Thanks, Ivy
>
>  
>





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 21:16:58 2005
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:16:58 -0000
Subject: REQ: HP fountain pen info?
In-Reply-To: <000301c6003c$46f97870$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <dof54a+kv4k@eGroups.com>

Just an update. I found this after exhausting searches ONE box, 
fountain pen and two pins on the french eBay site. I did win it (at 
twice the actual price, but that is fine by me). No idea why this is so 
hard to find!!!! I'm thrilled though. Will be a nice addition to my 
fledgling fountain pen collection.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 21:18:17 2005
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:18:17 -0000
Subject: A question about the title of book one
In-Reply-To: <43AAC93E.9090205@kingwoodcable.com>
Message-ID: <dof56p+5egf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Kristin Dumas <jdumas at k...> 
wrote:
>
> As I understand it, they changed it because they felt "Sorcerer" 
would 
> appeal to American children more so than "Philosopher", and would 
boost 
> book sales.
> 

Because, you know, that changed SO much about the book and we dumb 
Americans wouldn't get it :D  I thought publishers were smarter than 
Hollywood suits.







From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 23:01:53 2005
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:01:53 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: REQ: HP fountain pen info?
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WOW GOOD JOB!!

Tonya


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From maliksthong at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 03:10:22 2005
From: maliksthong at yahoo.com (Chys Lattes)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 03:10:22 -0000
Subject: That Annoying 'Island' Pop-Down Ad Banner
In-Reply-To: <20051213202330.69264.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dofpqu+ialv@eGroups.com>

They do the same thing with all that poser mobile crap those ads keep 
getting in the way.

chys

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
>
> Steve <bboyminn at y...> wrote:     Is it just me, or are others 
having a problem with that annoying
> pop-down Ad banner for the 'Island' movie at the top of the page?
> 
> Every time your mouse pointer gets anywhere near it, it pops down 
and
> covers a large part of the screen. To make matters worse, on my
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working.
> 
> I don't know about you but I find it very tedeous and annoying and
> will be glad when the movie finally opens and we can get rid of that
> banner.
> 
>   I haven't noticed.  Is it when you're on Yahoo?  I dragged my 
mouse around the add banner and noticed nothing unusual.
>    
>   By the by, 'The Island' already openned.  It's being released on 
DVD.  Not sure if having it be a DVD makes it worse as it didn't do 
to well in the box office, IIRC.  Though it was one the years better 
sci/fi, but nothing compared to 'Serenity', a movie banner I would 
support disrupting my links.
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From m0hemjohnotoole2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 15:38:07 2005
From: m0hemjohnotoole2001 at yahoo.com (john)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:38:07 -0000
Subject: hello
Message-ID: <doh5kv+ge22@eGroups.com>


http://users.smartgb.com/g/g.php?a=s&i=g11-01363-e0







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Dec 23 20:05:30 2005
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:05:30 -0000
Subject: Another for sale
Message-ID: <dohlaa+prbo@eGroups.com>

Here is another just like the one I got:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cadeau-la-parrure-Harry-Potter-et-la-coupe-de-
feu_W0QQitemZ6590664276QQcategoryZ7281QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI
tem

It looks like a pretty nifty set. Definitely hard to find. 






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 20:33:55 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:33:55 -0500
Subject: E!'s Soup Harry/Ron clip
Message-ID: <1a2738400512231233i333d90caic32a214056dac935@mail.gmail.com>

Once again, I'm a couple weeks behind on LJ. :-(  So, I finally got
around to seeing this:
http://www.fuckfinals.com/media/Harry-Potter-and-the-Goblet-of-FIRE

LOL!  The editing crew for the cable station, E!, did a good job on
this puppy, complete with retro pr0n music.

Dina



From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Sun Dec 25 03:25:27 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee chase)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:25:27 -0000
Subject: New FAQ poll
Message-ID: <dol3f7+md4k@eGroups.com>

Luckdragon:
Yes! finally a new poll. Thanks Jo! Merry Christmas to all.






From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 03:40:35 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:40:35 -0000
Subject: Merry Christmas... and Thanks Jo!
Message-ID: <dol4bj+7cca@eGroups.com>

I'm still on time to wish everyone a very Happy Christmas. And may all 
your wishes come true next year.

And Jo, thanks a lot for the updates!






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 25 03:54:27 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:54:27 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New FAQ poll
In-Reply-To: <dol3f7+md4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c60906$e7ca0cb0$0400a8c0@pensive>

Luckdragon:
Yes! finally a new poll. Thanks Jo! Merry Christmas to all.


Sherry now:

The polls are never on the text only part of the site.  What are the
questions this time?

Sherry




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Dec 25 04:17:52 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:17:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Merry Christmas... and Thanks Jo!
In-Reply-To: <dol4bj+7cca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6090a$2c4c5200$65a4a8c0@rosie>

Happy, Happy Christmas!

And Happy Chanukah, too.  I find it a lovely thing that the two Holidays can
co-celebrate the same day, as Christmas is also the first night of Chanukah
this year. :-)

Peace, good thoughts, blessings and happiness to all.  Lots of butter beer
and chocolate froggies and Every-Flavoured Beans... :-) (Which Santa did
give me, as well as a Gryffindor Scarf; we often open gifts on Christmas
Eve.)

Hugs,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Sun Dec 25 04:56:20 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee Chase)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:56:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New FAQ poll
In-Reply-To: <001b01c60906$e7ca0cb0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <20051225045620.22635.qmail@web53312.mail.yahoo.com>



    Luckdragon:
Yes! finally a new poll. Thanks Jo! Merry Christmas to all.


Sherry now:

The polls are never on the text only part of the site. What are the
questions this time?

Luckdragon:
   
  1) What happens to a secret when the secret keeper dies?
  2)Does the destruction of a horcrux involve more than the destruction of the object?
  3)Why did Voldemort want the Philosophers Stone if he already had his horcruxes?





		
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Date: 25 Dec 2005 06:56:24 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 12/25/2005, 1:00 pm 
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From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Sun Dec 25 10:29:58 2005
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:29:58 EST
Subject: to all harry potter fans
Message-ID: <212.104b5600.30dfcea6@aol.com>

Have a very harry christmas , and to jewish people , have a very harry 
hanukkah !!!


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From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Sun Dec 25 10:27:56 2005
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:27:56 EST
Subject: where to find the questions
Message-ID: <292.2ed15e7.30dfce2c@aol.com>

where can we find the poll questions


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From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Sun Dec 25 10:35:40 2005
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:35:40 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New FAQ poll
Message-ID: <8d.34bff07d.30dfcffc@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/24/05 8:56:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca writes:


> 1) What happens to a secret when the secret keeper dies?

I think the secret is no longer a secret

>   2)Does the destruction of a horcrux involve more than the destruction of 
> the object? when you destroy a horcrux ( as far as my understanding , the 
> fragmant of the soul contained in it is destroyed as well)
>   3)Why did Voldemort want the Philosophers Stone if he already had his 
> horcruxes? Voldemort wants the ps because it is another backup for immoraltity , 
> plus I think it would have brought him back to full power so he wouldn't have 
> to survive on unicorn blood.

 Anyone want to dispute me or add in comments ... email me at hockeygrrrl17@ 
aol.com.
p.s to all those who live in the moorpark.camarillo, simivalley , westlake. 
thousand oaks area who would like to meet in a public plavce convenient for all 
of us on tuesday the 27th , email me at hockeygrrrl17 @aol.com so we can 
arrange a time
and have a very harry christmas to you all !!

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         
> 




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From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 11:25:31 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:25:31 -0000
Subject: New FAQ poll
In-Reply-To: <20051225045620.22635.qmail@web53312.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dolvjb+aq36@eGroups.com>

 
> Luckdragon:
> Yes! finally a new poll. Thanks Jo! Merry Christmas to all.
> 
> 
> Sherry now:
> 
> The polls are never on the text only part of the site. What are the
> questions this time?


Valky:
Sherry,
There's been a recent update to the flash site adding accessibility
features, one of them is a screenreader. I hope this is news to you
which brings you good cheer :D

While we're on the subject, I'd like to put forward my opinion on the
new questions. I Really really really hope that Number two gets's
voted in. There are some reasons I think this would be the most
profitable quetion for us to ask on this opportunity and they are 
- Dumbledore answered, for the most part, number three in the
Horcruxes chapter of HBP. At least half of this answer to this won't
be new to us. 

I speak possibly too boldly but I would guess that many of us here in
HPFGU are tossing up between one and two, they are both very tempting,
but I don't think we should ask for the answer to number one. Because
it's about the Order of the Phoenix, not trying to be sarcastic, but
probably coming off that way, book seven isn't going to be caled Harry
poter and the Order of the Phoenix, that *was* book five. IMO the only
real book seven question is question two. 

That's just my humble opinion and your prerogative to vote the way you
like, enjoy. 

Valky
Wishing to cast a second vote for question two.

   
>   1) What happens to a secret when the secret keeper dies?
>   2)Does the destruction of a horcrux involve more than the 
>   destruction of the object?
>   3)Why did Voldemort want the Philosophers Stone if he already had
 >   his horcruxes?

PS. Merry Christmas Jo and Family!







From prongs at marauders-map.net  Sun Dec 25 12:03:36 2005
From: prongs at marauders-map.net (SilverStag)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:03:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New FAQ poll
References: <dolvjb+aq36@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003201c6094b$3c8a4690$0201a8c0@betty9wiwuzem4>

I think I'd like to know something that may not apply to book seven, but is 
a juicy bit of information we would never learn otherwise.
Betty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "M.Clifford" <valkyrievixen at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 6:25 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New FAQ poll


>
>> Luckdragon:
>> Yes! finally a new poll. Thanks Jo! Merry Christmas to all.
>>
>>
>> Sherry now:
>>
>> The polls are never on the text only part of the site. What are the
>> questions this time?
>
>
> Valky:
> Sherry,
> There's been a recent update to the flash site adding accessibility
> features, one of them is a screenreader. I hope this is news to you
> which brings you good cheer :D
>
> While we're on the subject, I'd like to put forward my opinion on the
> new questions. I Really really really hope that Number two gets's
> voted in. There are some reasons I think this would be the most
> profitable quetion for us to ask on this opportunity and they are
> - Dumbledore answered, for the most part, number three in the
> Horcruxes chapter of HBP. At least half of this answer to this won't
> be new to us.
>
> I speak possibly too boldly but I would guess that many of us here in
> HPFGU are tossing up between one and two, they are both very tempting,
> but I don't think we should ask for the answer to number one. Because
> it's about the Order of the Phoenix, not trying to be sarcastic, but
> probably coming off that way, book seven isn't going to be caled Harry
> poter and the Order of the Phoenix, that *was* book five. IMO the only
> real book seven question is question two.
>
> That's just my humble opinion and your prerogative to vote the way you
> like, enjoy.
>
> Valky
> Wishing to cast a second vote for question two.
>
>
>>   1) What happens to a secret when the secret keeper dies?
>>   2)Does the destruction of a horcrux involve more than the
>>   destruction of the object?
>>   3)Why did Voldemort want the Philosophers Stone if he already had
> >   his horcruxes?
>
> PS. Merry Christmas Jo and Family!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Dec 25 12:36:29 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:36:29 -0000
Subject: New FAQ poll
In-Reply-To: <20051225045620.22635.qmail@web53312.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dom3od+t6v6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Bee Chase <luckdragon64 at y...>
wrote:

>    
>   1) What happens to a secret when the secret keeper dies?
>   2) Does the destruction of a horcrux involve more than the
> destruction of the object?
>   3) Why did Voldemort want the Philosophers Stone if he already had 
> his horcruxes?

Surely all 3 are answered in book 7 -- 

1) We will see what DD's death did to the findability of that house
Harry inherited. If the Secret Keeper's death reveals the Secret,
people (maybe vengeful Death Eaters) will come knocking at the door. 
However, I think it unlikely that the SK's death reveals the Secret.
If it did, it wouldn't *matter* how loyal Sirius was, or Peter,
because LV would get the Secret despite his heroic silence while being
tortured to death. 

2) It seems unlikely that all 4 remaining Horcruxes will be destroyed
off-screen. 

Altho' I think JKR would have to give a very twisty answer in order to
answer this question without either confirming or denying that theory
that was wandering around somewhere that Harry having destroyed the
diary in CoS was insufficient to destroy the Horcrux, so a future
Harry time-turned to just after Harry and Ginny left the chamber and
destroyed the Horcrux.

3) There is no evidence that Voldie wanted the Philosopher's Stone
before he was disembodied. My recollection is that DD *said* he meant
to use the PS to get a (replacement) body. I don't know how that works
-- maybe any disincarnate soul just has to go swimming in a glass of
Elixir of Life and it solidifies into a body around him/her..... 






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Dec 25 17:57:56 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 25 Dec 2005 17:57:56 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 12/25/2005, 1:00 pm 
Message-ID: <1135533476.17.16857.m30@yahoogroups.com>


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Notes:
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From heidi8 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 02:44:04 2005
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:44:04 -0500
Subject: RSS feeds and LiveJournal
Message-ID: <5913e6f80512251844l251c831ev88ca732c98602350@mail.gmail.com>

I've been working on some RSS projects this week for FictionAlley.org
- we just launched our big RSS, which includes all uploads and updates
of fics and essays on the site (
http://forums.fictionalley.org/fics/rss/ ) - so I've been looking at
RSS readers for the first time.

For the last 2+ years, I've read feeds via my LiveJournal friendslist
- you can even get HPFGU's announcements list via
http://www.livejournal.com/users/hpfgu_an_y/ - so I've never explored
other RSS readers. It still feels a bit like Pointcast of Ye Olde
Days, when I could get Headlines And News in my Screen Saver, though,
so I thought I'd ask and see what others were using. And does anyone
use the LJ aggregator who doesn't use LJ regularly as well?

Heidi

PS - the new FA RSS on LiveJournal is at
http://www.livejournal.com/friends/add.bml?user=fictionalleyorg and it
should be updated in the next few hours



From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 03:31:07 2005
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:31:07 -0000
Subject: late*Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <doqchr+9o1k@eGroups.com>

HI!

Merry or should I say Happy

Christmas ! ! !

Gail in cold & wet NE IND







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 03:53:29 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:53:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New FAQ poll
In-Reply-To: <dolvjb+aq36@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051227035329.90858.qmail@web51613.mail.yahoo.com>



Valky wrote:
  
... I'd like to put forward my opinion on the
new questions. 
   
  1) What happens to a secret when the secret keeper dies?
2)Does the destruction of a horcrux involve more than the destruction of the object?
3)Why did Voldemort want the Philosophers Stone if he already had his horcruxes?
   
  I Really really really hope that Number two gets's
voted in. There are some reasons I think this would be the most
profitable quetion for us to ask on this opportunity and they are 
- Dumbledore answered, for the most part, number three in the
Horcruxes chapter of HBP. At least half of this answer to this won't
be new to us. 

I speak possibly too boldly but I would guess that many of us here in
HPFGU are tossing up between one and two, they are both very tempting,
but I don't think we should ask for the answer to number one. Because
it's about the Order of the Phoenix, not trying to be sarcastic, but
probably coming off that way, book seven isn't going to be caled Harry
poter and the Order of the Phoenix, that *was* book five. IMO the only
real book seven question is question two. 

That's just my humble opinion and your prerogative to vote the way you
like, enjoy. 

   
  
Kemper now:
  I agree with Valky.  Question 2 seems to offer the most.  I would also add that the answer to Question 1 may be irrelevant should DD be alive.  Q1 looks like a fresh way to throw us off scent.  The question doesn't ask "What will happen to 12 grimaould place now that Dumbledore, the Secret Keeper, is dead?"  I know there is plenty of canon to support Dumbledore's death, but I live in possibility.  Schoedinger's cat anyone?
   
  Happy Whatever to all.
   
  -Kemper
   
   

		
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From tvarney at ncbt.edu  Tue Dec 27 04:45:39 2005
From: tvarney at ncbt.edu (Tena Varney)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:45:39 -0000
Subject: Ky Hp Meet Up Group
Message-ID: <doqgtj+o23k@eGroups.com>

Hi my name is Tena and I teach at a college in Lexington, Ky USA and am 
wanting to start a meet up group in Lexington, Ky. It will consist of 
conversation, trivia,and other activities.If you are interested please 
email me at tvarney at ncbt.edu or visit the website at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ky_hp_fans_and_educators/









From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 28 16:02:33 2005
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:02:33 -0000
Subject: DAN on Regis&Kelly
Message-ID: <doucup+f1a1@eGroups.com>

HI!

I just saw on TV this morning that Dan will be on

Regis & Kelly, 12-29-05, looked like talking about G O F !

Gail in a very wet NE IND








From saddletank at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Dec 28 16:43:49 2005
From: saddletank at dsl.pipex.com (Martin)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:43:49 -0000
Subject: Goblet of Fire PC game
Message-ID: <doufc5+10vvc@eGroups.com>

Hello all

Apologies if I'm posting in the wrong place but a search of the list 
hasn't brought up any hits about discussions of the PC game so maybe I 
am in the wrong place?

My daughter got the game for Christmas and we've been playing it 
together (great fun) but we are stuck on a couple of places. Can I ask 
for advice here?

Thanks
Martin






From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Dec 28 19:41:04 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:41:04 -0000
Subject: New Year's resolutions?
Message-ID: <doupog+9bui@eGroups.com>

Hope you all had a peaceful and happy Christmas and are looking forward 
to the new year as I am.
2006 will be the year when I am no longer 'the fat one'
2006 will be the year my son takes his GCSEs and passes them all with 
flying colours 
It will also be the year that pigs sprout powerful little wings and 
take flight ....

For Christmas I got several surprise presents including a collection of 
Harry Potter stickers books, a filofax and colouring book !  My hubby 
thought these would keep me amused for hours, but I can't bring myself 
to unstick any stickers from their backing or put coloured pencil to 
paper ...
I also went to see GOF for the second time (and hung around for The 
lion, the witch and the wardrobe - very good)
I enjoyed GOF much more the second time, and caught so much more - it 
didn't seem to whizz past as much as the first time - it's definitely 
growing on me.
Well anyway, I just thought I'd be nosey and see if anyone had any 
interesting new year resolutions that they intend to keep beyond the 
10th of january?
Sarah xx







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 20:44:00 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:44:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Year's resolutions?
In-Reply-To: <doupog+9bui@eGroups.com>
References: <doupog+9bui@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400512281244v4fdec76bk8c8a9d93bb7d356a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Sarah Leigh ... <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hope you all had a peaceful and happy Christmas and are looking forward
> to the new year as I am.

Peaceful but I was also sick in bed during some of the Christmas holiday.


> 2006 will be the year when I am no longer 'the fat one'

This is a 'popular' one and I think it adds stress to time such a
thing as a New Year's resolution.

If anything triggered a new self awareness in appearance, it wasn't a
fashion model or actress... it was Michael Rosenbaum in drag.
*Seriously*.  Before, I was like 'meh, who cares about my weight' but
then I saw how good he looked in a mini-skirt and I was *envious*. 
Plus, his make-up in the role made me don more eye make-up.  Hehe,
I'll eventually give Tammy Faye a run for her mascara. {g}


> 2006 will be the year my son takes his GCSEs and passes them all with
> flying colours

Woot! :-)


> It will also be the year that pigs sprout powerful little wings and
> take flight ....

Coolness!


> For Christmas I got several surprise presents including a collection of
> Harry Potter stickers books, a filofax and colouring book !  My hubby

Lucky!  I got a pen and small food processor/grinder from my brother
and his wife and a night shirt from my boss's sister.  No fannish
stuff. :-(  But at least very useful and I like useful stuff. :-)  My
boss authorized $750 in 'gift cash' for me from the companies under
his management and my mom gave me $25--all that money was spent before
I received it. ;-)  My sister and my dad sent me cards, which is nice
too in a 'I'm only doing this because we're related' sort of way.
{chuckle}

Hm, if I do have a New Year's resolution (AKA something that most
likely won't occur), it's to find the Holy Grail of Sorority Boys
memorabilia: the Sorority Boys shooting script.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 02:15:46 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:46 -0500
Subject: Where do folks find these sites?! {g}
Message-ID: <1a2738400512281815n4fc51f49n1b16b9b4c68fd517@mail.gmail.com>

Carolyn shared this link:
http://www.fart.com/

Complete with sound clips.  Oh my, I've just heard the Pull My Finger,
vol.2 and they're doing... err, Jingle Bells? {chuckle}  And... oh,
jeez, I just 'tooted'.  It's contagious.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 03:22:13 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:22:13 -0500
Subject: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005 movie version)
Message-ID: <1a2738400512281922s574fa2dbrbc698cb55cd6c323@mail.gmail.com>

I finally saw the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory movie with
Johnny Depp, and while I thought the set, effects and acting were
good, I still preferred the 'original' with Gene Wilder.  As
appropriately eccentric as Wilder was, there was more... 'heart' to
his character.  Gah, I once had the book but I don't remember if I
read it in full to determine which movie version is more 'true' to the
book. :-\

Touching back to HP, probably one of the reasons why I like reading
Snape in fanfic is because of Alan Rickman's portrayal.  In the books,
Snape seems such an 'untouchable' character but Rickman shows these
*brief* moments of concern/care and this adds an element that I can
connect with the character versus book!Snape--this 'less prickly' side
probably exists in book canon to some degree but expression, action,
voice inflection tends to be more obvious for me.

Depp's portrayal of Wonka makes the character seem so... 'separated'
from what I can connect with, which is probably a credit to Depp's
acting but transferring empathy for his character wasn't as... smooth
as was the case with Rickman's portrayal of Snape.

I know, I know... Snape is not a nice person but it's also the
wondering, if circumstances had been different, he *may* have been
nice.

Dina



From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 21:11:05 2005
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0000
Subject: *DAN on Regis&Kelly
In-Reply-To: <doucup+f1a1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dp1jd9+oncu@eGroups.com>

OK . . .

I didn't know that it was a re-run,

but I hadn't seen it before, it worked

out good for me.   Seeing that dragon

and I wanted to go see the movie again !

Gail in NE IND



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "gwharrison53" 
<gwharrison53 at y...> wrote:
>
> HI!
> 
> I just saw on TV this morning that Dan will be on
> 
> Regis & Kelly, 12-29-05, looked like talking about G O F !
> 
> Gail in a very wet NE IND
>







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 22:02:11 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:02:11 -0000
Subject: REQ: HP fountain pen info? -BIC's Reply
In-Reply-To: <dof54a+kv4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dp1md3+madh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kchuplis" <kchuplis at a...> wrote:
>
> Just an update. I found this after exhausting searches ONE box, 
> fountain pen and two pins on the french eBay site. I did win it
> (at twice the actual price, but that is fine by me). No idea why
> this is so hard to find!!!! I'm thrilled though. Will be a nice 
> addition to my fledgling fountain pen collection.
>

bboyminn:

Since I don't have anything better to do, I contacted BIC and here is
there response.

Harry Potter Fountain Pens should be available at the following
locations -

- Paris, France -
Le Bon Marche

Galeries Lafayette

Virgin Megastore

Joseph Gibert (boulevard Saint Michel)


- United Kingdom -
www.stationerybox.co.uk

'The Stationery Box' is a large chain of Office Supply stores with
many locations in the UK. 

Perhaps, some of our UK residents could check for HP Fountain Pens if
they have a store in their area. It might be cheaper than eBay.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Dec 29 23:18:46 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:18:46 EST
Subject: Planning a wake for...
Message-ID: <226.3d2a99b.30e5c8d6@aol.com>

Surely everyone's read the Half Blood Prince by now! In any case, I am  planni
ng a wake for deceased and would like some ideas for decorations, foods,  and 
activities. This is party for grownups, of course, but will be held on a  
Sunday afternoon. 
 
Like any other wake, I'm asking people to bring their favorite story or  
quote about him. I plan to have blank book where people can write in their  
comments or quotes too. 
 
I am working on a toast that will include why he was so important to me (I  
was almost ready to toss the first book when he arrived and immediately changed 
 my mind---without an imperious curse, I'm sure!).
 
What would you do or want at a wake for him?
 
Thanks!
 
---Mary
Concealed talent brings no reputation. ---_Erasmus_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus) 


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From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 13:55:17 2005
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:55:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: REQ: HP fountain pen info? -BIC's Reply
In-Reply-To: <dp1md3+madh@eGroups.com>
References: <dof54a+kv4k@eGroups.com> <dp1md3+madh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4a040d0512300555n26e2fdder6a512c225acbdc8a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kchuplis" <kchuplis at a...> wrote:
> >
> > Just an update. I found this after exhausting searches ONE box,
> > fountain pen and two pins on the french eBay site. I did win it
> > (at twice the actual price, but that is fine by me). No idea why
> > this is so hard to find!!!! I'm thrilled though. Will be a nice
> > addition to my fledgling fountain pen collection.
> >
>
> bboyminn:
>
> Since I don't have anything better to do, I contacted BIC and here is
> there response.
>
> Harry Potter Fountain Pens should be available at the following
> locations -
>
> - Paris, France -
> Le Bon Marche
>
> Galeries Lafayette
>
> Virgin Megastore
>
> Joseph Gibert (boulevard Saint Michel)
>
>
> - United Kingdom -
> www.stationerybox.co.uk
>
> 'The Stationery Box' is a large chain of Office Supply stores with
> many locations in the UK.
>
> Perhaps, some of our UK residents could check for HP Fountain Pens if
> they have a store in their area. It might be cheaper than eBay.
>
> Just passing it along.
>
> Steve/bboyminn




Steve,



Thanks so much for the update!!  I really appreciate you looking so hard for
these!!  I would gladly pay anyone for their time and effort along with the
price and postage if they were willing to help me get these pens.  Thanks so
much!!

Tonya


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 22:28:30 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:30 -0500
Subject: When to pay for services 'completed'
Message-ID: <1a2738400512301428ybffc4a4rbbbaabfa8794ce7d@mail.gmail.com>

I was tired of hearing my mom talk about the dilapidated status of her
twenty year old fence (join the club), so I funded her fence repair
because I don't want a fence section to fall on her *again*.

Knowing my mom, I sure as heck didn't leave her a check because I've
seen her pay off the tree trimmer guy and TV repairman when the jobs
'done' were sub-par.  *I* wanted to see how the completed fence would
look and I told her to tell the fence folk the 'check would be in the
mail' since they completed it today and I wouldn't see the fence until
tomorrow morning.

So, I get in a call from the fence folk saying the job was done today
and that they could pick-up the check tomorrow after I requested I'd
like to first see the fence--I'm okay with this, hey, it's less than
24hrs after the work is done.  The kicker then was when I got in a
second call from a different guy asking when can they pick up the
check *today* because they were closed over the weekend and he knew
about the prior payment arrangement.  WTFBBQ?!  Should I also tell
them the details my mom gave about how there was mold spots on the
cypress planks and how only one of the two workers was putting in full
effort--the other was fooling around on his cellphone half the time
and no wonder the work took longer.  Y'all take your sweet time and
I'm expected to be prompt to make up for your inefficiency?  Quid pro
quo, dudes.  Oh, I'll give them an earful if they attempt a *third*
call today.

If I'm paying nearly $3,000, which they already have a 20% deposit,
I'm not going to trust some guy's judgement of a job 'well-done' just
because other clients have trusted to pay in full without seeing the
finished product.

I know my mom isn't fully happy with the results but some things like
support beam placement probably can't be helped.  Get this... the
fence folk tell me I can't have the support beams facing on the
'outside', regardless if you're surrounded by other housing properties
that would require their homes to be demolished before the fence's
post placement would be seen by the 'public'.  I know 'City' permits
can be incredibly anal but she's located under 'County' zoning, which
tends to be less anal.  I'm suspicious there but I don't have the
County code book and the work was 80% done by the time my mom told me
and it wasn't one of those questions that came to mind--the fence
originally had the "unsightly" support beams facing the neighbors
because they didn't chip in a dime for 'shared' fencing, which they're
also required by law since two out of three sides has a swimming pool.

And wow, if anyone here has gotten this far in reading my rant:

From http://www.livejournal.com/users/mahaliem/116435.html  (adult-rated):
[[
Lex didn't think much of it when he watched the news coverage of a
mudslide in Bolivia and there was no telltale flash of blue and red.
He started to suspect something, however, when he heard that Lois Lane
had broken her leg falling over the side of a cliff. But, when he
finished the final touches of his MegaUltraRayGun that came out of the
top of a mountain on a remote island shaped like a skull and Superman
didn't show up to destroy it, he knew something was wrong.

Just to be sure, he placed a full-page ad in the Daily Planet

Want to Destroy the World?
Mad Scientists ? We're looking for YOU!
* * *
If you're a misunderstood genius who is highly motivated,
megalomaniacal, and doesn't mind working weekends, talk to us about a
career in world domination.
* * *
Send resume to LexCorp, 1 LexCorp Plaza, Metropolis

Salary commensurate with experience. Benefits package includes health
and dental.
]]


http://www.google.com/intl/en/holidaylogos.html

Google holiday logos over the years.  A sidebar link has 'fan'
submitted ones and a history of Google logos.


Still with me?

http://f.chtah.com/i/9/276579820/111505_brcoupon.html

$10 of $40 or more at Borders/Waldenbooks but it expires tomorrow (12/31/05).


Dina

From rist33920 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 20:44:15 2005
From: rist33920 at yahoo.com (Dale)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:44:15 -0000
Subject: Happy New Year Everyone
Message-ID: <dp466v+qhdv@eGroups.com>

I'm a huge Harry Potter fan and have read the first 5 books three times
now. I've read book 6 twice and I can't wait until the new one comes
out but that's 2 years!! Two years ago after reading book 5 for the
second time, I started my own book about a Native American healer but
haven't finished it yet. What I'd like is your opinion on it - you the
die hard Harry Potter fans, if that's ok with this groups Moderator.
Please check it out at http://lonsadventures.blogspot.com and let me
know what you think. If it sucks let me know. I'll be posting the first
three chapters there, maybe....depending on how well it's received.
Thanks ever so much,
Dale









From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 01:39:13 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:39:13 -0800
Subject: R&B singers and Sorority Boys names?
Message-ID: <1a2738400512301739u522d906bk133f68ee1841e4ce@mail.gmail.com>

Since none of the Sorority Boys three lead characters' surnames were
'officially' (as in no one has printed them AFAIK) given, I made a
guestimate based on a background photo referencing one character's
last name as Flack (first name, Robert) and he assumed the name of
Roberta, so I'm going with the following:

Robert/Roberta Flack (e.g. "You Make Me Feel Brand New")

Adam/Adina Howard (e.g. "Freak Like Me")  Yeah, Howard's [rear] End
for Adam/Adina's line of "I have a fat AAAASS!"

Dave/Daisy is who I'm stuck on.  Any fairly 'popular' R&B singers with
a first name of Daisy?  Especially if she released a song that would
be ironic to a movie featuring characters in drag?

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 04:07:02 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:07:02 -0800
Subject: Beauty pageant crowns
Message-ID: <1a2738400512302007o3246ff58n37235c6e802e9424@mail.gmail.com>

I'm watching the Miss Florida Teen 2006 Pageant and it cracks me up
how those pageant crowns rarely fit or are properly clipped down on
the winner.  The gals have to assume the position of one hand on their
crown and one hand on the flowers.  During the final hugs scene, the
crown is knocked around, and in this case, fell off, so another
contestant helped 'jam' the crown back on the winner's head. {chuckle}

Dina



From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 20:25:46 2005
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:25:46 -0000
Subject: StarWars(6) = 1 & HarryPotter(4) = 2
Message-ID: <dp6pga+o100@eGroups.com>

HI!

FRI on the 11am news/CBS I saw the top 5 listed 

movies for 2005 :

1 = Star Wars (6)

2 = Harry Potter (4) G O F

3 = War of the Worlds

4 = Wedding Crashers

5 = Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Just think, G O F only came out 11-18-05 and

came in at 2nd place !

Gail in NE IND








From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Dec 31 21:31:37 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:31:37 -0000
Subject: Snape / Dumbledore / Lex Luthor
Message-ID: <dp6tbp+t217@eGroups.com>

Dina wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29380 :

<< I know, I know... Snape is not a nice person but it's also the
wondering, if circumstances had been different, he *may* have been
nice. >>

I can't imagine any sets of circumstances in which Snape would have
grown up to be *nice* to any people except the ones he *likes* --
maybe Draco, maybe Narcissa, was the way he interacted with those two
in HBP 'nice'? But being less venomously cruel to the ones he
*dislikes* and less mildly cruel to ones he doesn't care about one way
or the other...

Mary Mhochberg wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29383 :

<< I am planning a wake for [Dumbledore[ and would like some ideas for
decorations, foods, and activities. (snip) What would you do or want
at a wake for him? >>

Like the song in which Joe Hill appeared at his wake and said: "Don't
mourn for me -- organize!", Dumbledore would those who mourn his loss
to busy themselves with fighting evil and propagating good. He would
say: stop sitting around in the Great Hall and go tutor students,
register voters, pick up the trash in public places...

Dina wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29385 :

<< From http://www.livejournal.com/users/mahaliem/116435.html
(adult-rated):
Just to be sure, he placed a full-page ad in the Daily Planet

Want to Destroy the World?
Mad Scientists ? We're looking for YOU! >>

Just in case YOU read this far, I laughed out loud at the Lex story
including the above quote.