From redina at silverbloom.net Sat Jan 1 00:42:04 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:42:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Apostrophes and quotes (was Info for FF moderators and writers.) In-Reply-To: References: <003d01c4ef5c$fd6daeb0$0400a8c0@pensive> Message-ID: <2289.4.47.27.208.1104540124.squirrel@4.47.27.208> davewitley said: > Personally, I would be quite happy to see the end of the apostrophe, > as it performs no useful function in writing. We know that must be Hm, I'm a bit reluctant to abandon the apostrophe, even if we're talking about outside grammar usage in contractions. I tend to limit quotations--I only think of them as the paired/double marks--to referencing conversation or direct quoting. My habit of apostrophes... is almost as bad as my usage of ellipses for pauses in thought. {g} And yes, I know the proper format is for the beginning to have three periods with the trailing having four periods. Um, I use apostrophes to emphasize words when I don't think they need as much emphasis as asterisks would imply--all uppercase is reserved for shouting and/or acronyms. It's like minor inflections in saying the words. Another usage is like I'm *sort of* doing those 'bunny gestures' with my first two fingers to signify double quotes. Another usage is when I don't have a direct quote and I'm estimating on a phrase... I have no idea what I'm doing. {g} I believe the proper usage is inside double quotes to signal the speaker quoting someone else. As for why my emoticons--when I don't use the smiley format--have the curvy brackets versus the sharply angled, some webmail and software and website scripts have this tendency of wiping out anything that doesn't resemble proper HTML. So, I began using them to imply action. > so, because we can understand speech, and nobody ever pronounced an > apostrophe. Yes, but then you're possibly bringing up the study of how some folks can understand words with missing letters: if u cn undrstnd ths, u cn b a prgrmr. Just when you thought netspeak was annoying. ;-) Dina From redina at silverbloom.net Sat Jan 1 03:02:34 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:02:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: <20041231231145.91735.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <037e01c4ef8c$163d6a00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <20041231231145.91735.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2734.4.47.27.208.1104548554.squirrel@4.47.27.208> Sheryll Townsend said: > errors. I have far to much respect for the hard work > that goes into writing to do that. And if there are > errors to point out, I never do so without first > saying what I like about the story. Hm, you're a better person than me. {g} This is what I recently posted on a mailing list as part of a round-up of my reading where I go over the good, the bad, and the ugly on AFF.net and FF.net: [[ Jealousy by the-mpreg-spirit (2/? - WIP) http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1971008/1/ Author Summary: Slash, Mpreg, Incest Rape, Don't follow OOTP. The Summer before 7th year, Dudley takes bullying Harry to a whole new level... Dedicated to Mac (slasher-babe) You've done so much in making Wil's fanbase that you deserve credit! Da first DDHP slash on ff.ne (Summary cut by FF.net. Based on the writer's name, y'all should be able to guess the theme of nearly all her fanfic. {g} I actually read both parts and... err, huh?) ]] When a writer has reduced me to an "err, huh", that's me being polite in not voicing what's *really* going through my head. I think this was the fic with name plates on the bedroom doors for Sirius and Remus at Grimmauld. That's if you make it past the first part of confusing conversation where I *think* Dudley was using magic on Harry's broom? I'm guessing (based on the DDHP, incest and mpreg references) the fic eventually has Dudley impregnating Harry or vice versa. Now, I can enjoy some HP incest (Blackcest is 'teh hawt' with Bella/Narcissa = yummy) and some male pregnancy fics, but this was so... :-\ Dina From redina at silverbloom.net Sat Jan 1 03:06:37 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:06:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: <02f601c4ef6a$be083fc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> References: <20041230232206.73026.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20041231105819.73235.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5913e6f8041231083335d572d@mail.gmail.com> <02f601c4ef6a$be083fc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <2752.4.47.27.208.1104548797.squirrel@4.47.27.208> Heidi wrote: > thoughts on stories are.> Saitaina said: > I'm thankful for FA's strict standards. > Granted occasionally it's annoying > (like on the fifth time it's been sent > back to me), but without it I would > never have improved as a writer. Heh, that's partly why I stopped writing fanfic. {g} I became so... paralyzed with proofreading that I got bored with writing. I couldn't do a very rough draft without urges to revise on the spot. > While I'll always be a fan of simply > telling a good tale, the little things > are important after everything is said > and done. The words don't mean much if > you're too busy mentally correcting > everything a writer writes. I believe we've already hashed this out over on an HP slash list just yesterday. {g} In a way, our conversation elsewhere paralleled Heidi's comment. Dina From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 1 03:03:43 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:03:43 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) References: <20041230232206.73026.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20041231105819.73235.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5913e6f8041231083335d572d@mail.gmail.com> <02f601c4ef6a$be083fc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2752.4.47.27.208.1104548797.squirrel@4.47.27.208> Message-ID: <048a01c4efae$81845d60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Dina wrote: Yup yup. Of course I got my arse kicked in that discussion and had to sit out. People smarter then me should not be allowed to argue with me...s'not fair. *pouts* Yes my maturity level is at age five today, blame it on the drugs. I actually got into a "did not", "did too" argument with an eight year old earlier (mum wanted to smack me). Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From redina at silverbloom.net Sat Jan 1 03:46:07 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:46:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: <048a01c4efae$81845d60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> References: <20041230232206.73026.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20041231105819.73235.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5913e6f8041231083335d572d@mail.gmail.com> <02f601c4ef6a$be083fc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2752.4.47.27.208.1104548797.squirrel@4.47.27.208> <048a01c4efae$81845d60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <2908.4.47.27.208.1104551167.squirrel@4.47.27.208> Saitaina said: > sit out. People smarter then me should > not be allowed to argue with me...s'not > fair. *pouts* In between my mail server and Yahoogroups, I've had problems with receiving email, so I checked the Y!G web interface at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ and saw three replies (between you and davewitley) in a row where I start off with 'hm' or 'heh'. Let me wow you with my high IQ. {chuckle} If you check the site before another reply rolls in, you'll get to see the epitome of redundancy in my monosyllablic vocabulary. > Yes my maturity level is at age five > today, blame it on the drugs. I Nah, you're supposed to blame it on alcohol; after all, it's New Year's Eve. :-) My neighborhood currently has the fireworks going. Dina From prongs at marauders-map.net Sat Jan 1 04:01:02 2005 From: prongs at marauders-map.net (Silver Stag) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:01:02 -0500 Subject: preordering blues (was question about pre-ordering) References: <9b.55b5a17b.2f030f38@aol.com> Message-ID: <004901c4efb6$860d2030$0201a8c0@bettysue> Chancie: I was on the Wal-Mart website, and it guarenteed delivery on the 16th (even with the cheep shipping option) and it was cheeper than the price that it will be released at. $19.84 including shipping! So, if you don't mind waiting a few hours until the mail runs, you can save about $10 or so, and not have to deal with the lines at the stores! Now me, Betty: You are incredibly lucky, you people that can go to the store at midnight or order it online and have it shipped to you and still get it on the day it's released. I'm blind and have to have the audio. I use amazon.com for preordering books and it's been a real frustration, though I've saved serious cash that way. I preordered OotP in hardback for my dad and audio for me. Dad got it the day it was released. Did I? Oh, no, never mind that we live in the same house! It was Tuesday or Wednesday before I got it. Back when Goblet of Fire came out, I preordered the casettes, and what did I get when I got the book a few days after its release? Hardback! So then I had to run out to the local Barnes And Noble anyway. Not yet sure what I'm going to do this time. Betty From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 1 04:34:27 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:34:27 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) References: <20041230232206.73026.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20041231105819.73235.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5913e6f8041231083335d572d@mail.gmail.com> <02f601c4ef6a$be083fc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2752.4.47.27.208.1104548797.squirrel@4.47.27.208> <048a01c4efae$81845d60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2908.4.47.27.208.1104551167.squirrel@4.47.27.208> Message-ID: <049a01c4efbb$2dd568a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Dina wrote: I would, but I'm not allowed alcohol with the amount of pills currently in my system just for this stupid jaw ache. Plus I got violently sick earlier from the pills so I don't think I'm allowed food either according to mum. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sherriola at earthlink.net Sat Jan 1 04:54:02 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:54:02 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] preordering blues (was question about pre-ordering) In-Reply-To: <004901c4efb6$860d2030$0201a8c0@bettysue> Message-ID: <000c01c4efbd$eaf81200$0400a8c0@pensive> Betty, I'm blind too. When OOTP came out, I pre ordered my audio version at a barns and noble store. I asked a sighted friend to take me at midnight. She's the kind of friend who doesn't read much, but she thought the idea of going at midnight and being in with the crowd would be fun. We had two other blind people with us. We all had a blast! And I got my book and started reading it as soon as I got home. Maybe, you could start planning now to do something like this. Or plan to take a taxi or something. But even if you don't want to go at midnight, if you preorder it, you can go into the store in the morning and get your copy right away. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Silver Stag [mailto:prongs at marauders-map.net] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:01 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] preordering blues (was question about pre-ordering) Chancie: I was on the Wal-Mart website, and it guarenteed delivery on the 16th (even with the cheep shipping option) and it was cheeper than the price that it will be released at. $19.84 including shipping! So, if you don't mind waiting a few hours until the mail runs, you can save about $10 or so, and not have to deal with the lines at the stores! Now me, Betty: You are incredibly lucky, you people that can go to the store at midnight or order it online and have it shipped to you and still get it on the day it's released. I'm blind and have to have the audio. I use amazon.com for preordering books and it's been a real frustration, though I've saved serious cash that way. I preordered OotP in hardback for my dad and audio for me. Dad got it the day it was released. Did I? Oh, no, never mind that we live in the same house! It was Tuesday or Wednesday before I got it. Back when Goblet of Fire came out, I preordered the casettes, and what did I get when I got the book a few days after its release? Hardback! So then I had to run out to the local Barnes And Noble anyway. Not yet sure what I'm going to do this time. Betty ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 05:47:46 2005 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Commas, Apostrophes, and Colons: Oh My! (was: Info for FF moderators and writers) Message-ID: <20050101054746.78294.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> Barb, in part: > 3) Commas are very, very important I agree. While writing ambiguously can certainly be a part of a writer's style, I'm not sure one can subvert for effect what one haven't already mastered; shouldn't that be considered a slip of the keyboard? What is the difference between a pun and a malapropism? Intent. After all, if the intention is to clearly convey a panda's diet, writing thus evokes the wrong image in the mind of the reader: "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves." But if it is one's intention to evoke a scene of a panda that eats its dinner, shoots its gun then leaves before the waiter can hand it the check, then that extra comma after "eats" *does* serve a purpose. With apologies to Lynne Truss, Petra a n :) See: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20041230/ en_bo_usatoday/anepilogueforayearwecouldntputdown and just for Dave: http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk and http://www.fun-with-words.com/boston_apostrophes.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 11:45:09 2005 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:45:09 -0000 Subject: Venting...and a Question! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I've pre-ordered HBP-print; I wonder if he can stand to wait for the audio or if he'll actually tackle the book? Stay tuned... > > MsTattersall > > Well, if he finds reading too frustrating, why make him wait? Why not make your own second read be aloud, to him? It'd be a nice time together. > > I still routinely read the books to my 14y/o daughter, even though > she's read them all to herself. It all began back when her younger > sister was just out of 2nd grade (in 2000) and I began reading them to her. Next thing I knew, all or most of the family would wind up in the living room with us, listening! > > Annemehr Valky: Gosh Anne! that is such a wonderful story, I can imagine my own little family all seated in the living room eagerly listening to Harry's adventures and it makes me smile. Happy New Year. From redina at silverbloom.net Sat Jan 1 11:51:28 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 06:51:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Oddities + Replies for Saitaina In-Reply-To: <049a01c4efbb$2dd568a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> References: <20041230232206.73026.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20041231105819.73235.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5913e6f8041231083335d572d@mail.gmail.com> <02f601c4ef6a$be083fc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2752.4.47.27.208.1104548797.squirrel@4.47.27.208> <048a01c4efae$81845d60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2908.4.47.27.208.1104551167.squirrel@4.47.27.208> <049a01c4efbb$2dd568a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <4874.4.47.27.204.1104580288.squirrel@4.47.27.204> Amazing what folk find online... >From http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/20382004.htm : [[ JESSICA SIMPSON's father JOE made the singer promise to stay a virgin until she married, during a ceremony when she was twelve. Simpson sr, who doubles as Jessica's manager, handed the 24-year-old a promise ring and vowed to be the only man in her life until she married. [snippity snip] Joe adds, "What better gift to give her husband? Never touched by another man." ]] Contorts face into a WTF?! expression. Too late for Christmas gifts: http://www.shytobuy.co.uk/index.cfm?mm=0&fuse=srmale&CFID=266972&CFTOKEN=92406651 I'm reminded of an HP book quote where Ron 'ejaculated loudly'. How to make your guy... taste better. There's also a version for gals too. Although, the nipple enlarger [for both male and female use] was something I never thought of. Saitaina said (from Re: Info for FF moderators): > I would, but I'm not allowed alcohol > with the amount of pills currently in > my system just for this stupid jaw Long time, no correspondence. The last time I saw an email from you was last year. If you thought that comment was stupid, you should've seen what my forty-two year old brother did at our Christmas dinner: He placed a napkin over his wife's chicken portion and then lifted up a corner and called it Pe(e)king chicken. Anyway, sorry to hear you can't take a break from the pills to get sloshed. :-\ Well, you're already participating in another New Year's Eve activity, blessing the Porcelain Goddess. Saitaina said (from Re: Dental stories): > Pencils and Crayons for the textured > areas to blend it better. I used to like coloring with crayons. Plus, you could also iron crayons into cloth for something a bit wearable. I'm feeling nostalgic to try coloring with the buggers again. {g} > I only use > paint on my wall or canvas (which is > actually the same thing since I dont' > have canvas right now and have taken to > paining my pictures on the walls. Aren't your walls dark green now? Dina From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 1 12:03:07 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 04:03:07 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Oddities + Replies for Saitaina References: <20041230232206.73026.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20041231105819.73235.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5913e6f8041231083335d572d@mail.gmail.com> <02f601c4ef6a$be083fc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2752.4.47.27.208.1104548797.squirrel@4.47.27.208> <048a01c4efae$81845d60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2908.4.47.27.208.1104551167.squirrel@4.47.27.208> <049a01c4efbb$2dd568a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <4874.4.47.27.204.1104580288.squirrel@4.47.27.204> Message-ID: <04fa01c4eff9$dc802fa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Dina wrote: Just to prove how tired and doped up I am...it took me five minutes to figure that out. I was all, "I emailed her earlier today..." *smacks head* Half is dark green, half is still white. Mum, the slacker princess (I'm the queen), only got half of it done before the weather dropped so much we can't paint. So I now have a painting of a boat at sea painted directly on my wall (the picture is in my LJ somewhere...not my best painting (I did it with a make up brush, water paints and my palm) and for some reason the sun is high in the sky during a sunset in the painting). Eventually we'll get the room done and I'm going to paint the Slytherin house crest on the ceiling (to go with the green and silver trim). The front bedroom is going to be done in purples with either a sunset or a castle. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 1 12:50:59 2005 From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (udder_pen_dragon) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:50:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: <20041231105819.73235.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050101125059.49034.qmail@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >From UdderPD again. First, thanks for the interest in this subject. Second, I thought that this revision to the fourth line improves the quasi poem. >From - Eye strike a key and type a word, To - Eye strike sum quays and type a word, Now my comments on the responses. Some of the comments I agree with of course but others are a bit moot. When reading a story if I see - The vicar said "I will wear no clothes to distinguish me from my fellow man." - the missing comma after 'said' does not matter. But if you were to put a comma between 'clothes & to' it is important, unless you want a nude vicar. I took up the subject of grammar and punctuation with my daughter. (She has recently obtained an Honours Degree in English from Oxford University.) Effectively her comment were that the first Lecture from her English Professor boiled down to. You should never use colons except in Scientific or Engineering documents. Only one semicolon is permitted for every three-thousand words. (He wouldn't like Microsoft's Grammar checker would he.) All other punctuation is optional provided the writing makes sense. All great writers and novelists have their own style and English punctuation is flexible. We are not the French to whom it is all rigid and inflexible. (This is strange seeing as the first two statements appear to be rigid and inflexible.) On the subject of words this is all I can remember at the moment. Sentences should rarely be started with the word 'they' and never be started with the word 'and' except in speech, oh and 'and' replaces the comma. 'Me and Harry' is wrong, 'Harry and I' is correct. Again except in speech where characters like Harry, Hermione and all of the Professors (excluding Hagrid) would always use the latter, where as Ron and Hagrid might well use the former. The word 'got' (Americans read 'gotten') has no specific meaning and should never be used when another word could be used. 99 times out of 100 it simply denotes laziness and should be replaced with a word to convey the proper meaning. (Again the lazy speech rules applied.) However my daughter's final comment was, "All of the English Professors seem to have their own quirks but this was from the one who was going to mark my papers." So to me it seems that 'you pays your money and you takes your choice'. TTFN UdderPD ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 15:29:28 2005 From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:29:28 -0000 Subject: Great News.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25546 --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" wrote: > > Hey guess what people I had my second doctor visit today and I got > to hear the baby's heart beat and it was good and strong and I found out what the sex of the baby is. Its going to be a boy. We wanted a girl but hey we dont mind its a boy we will love it the same. I am so happy and excited. My fiancee was more relived and told me at least he doesnt have to play Barbies with his son. We already picked out a name for it, Jeremy David. Jeremy is named after a friend who helped turned my life around and he died last year on the 28th of December from Muscular Dystraphy and David is from my Dad's brother who died when I was young so I dont remember him but I told my dad what I was going to name him and he was happy that I was carrying on his brothers name. I called my dad to tell him the news and he said he knew we were going to have a boy. I was surprise the doctor could actually tell what the sex of the baby is a 4 months but he just stuck his behind up to the camera and we can see it. > Also Happy New Years to you guys hope you stay safe and dont drink > and drive. I cant belive that 2004 came by so quickly watch June > come so fast that the baby will be ready to come out when I am not > even ready for it. Im just getting use to it and so far the morning sickness has almost completly gone away but most I get nausea and dont want to eat in the morning and wake up every 3 hours during the night except last night I was awake every hour to go to the bathroom for drinking to much water and cherry coke celebrating my fiancees birthday. I already cut back on caffine. > > Happy New Year yall remember dont drink and drive. > > Tasha *****\(@@)/***** Congratulations Tasha! Sounds like little Jeremy David is getting a great start! Just make sure you take care of yourself and eat well. This is such wonderful news to start the new year with - June will be here before you know it! Dudemom_2000 *****\(@@)/***** From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sat Jan 1 17:00:38 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:00:38 -0000 Subject: Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: <20050101125059.49034.qmail@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: udder_pen_dragon wrote: > We are not the French to whom it is all rigid and inflexible. Oooh! I'll be surprised if you get away with that one. No doubt it's good fun to tweak FA's tail but I always try to work on the rule of annoying only one faction at a time. David, pleased to note that every post concerned about grammar has contained an error From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Jan 1 18:13:21 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:13:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OW! In-Reply-To: <027401c4eef7$7a2822c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: Heya Folks, Ya want dental stories? Okay...you asked for it? You got it... Normally, wisdom teeth aren't so bad, but when one has impacted teeth and is immune to pain killers...that's when things are really bad! Been there, done that...back in 1977. I had an abscess below the gum and it was at one of my four impacted wisdoms. It all had to be removed. That wasn't so bad; amazing what a bit of sodium pentothal will do. It was the time after...the Novocain was useless, the heavy-duty pain pills were worse than useless. I'm one of those poor critters who is relatively immune to pain-killers. In a nutshell, and with many calls to my doctor and dental surgeon, I took seven percadan (SP?) and one codeine in five hours, wanted to amputate my jaw, and had to endure listening to the ever-over-loud TV set of my ever-drunken upstairs neighbor. Suffice it to say that the next morning, I was a physical and mental wreck coupled with the fact that my stitches all came neatly out by themselves which sent me back to the dental surgeon who said that I'd healed sufficiently and he wasn't going to restitch. For the next several days I looked like a squirrel and had to concentrate on eating on the non-gouged side of my mouth. Talk about hell! I swear up and down and sidewise that if I have to have any of the rest of these impacted teeth removed, I'm going to sign into a hospital and beg/plead/demand they keep me knocked out for at least 48 hours! I'm not going through that again! On a happier note, I wish you all a fulfilling and happy 2005. Hugs to you all! Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From redina at silverbloom.net Sat Jan 1 18:50:42 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:50:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: References: <20050101125059.49034.qmail@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1672.4.47.27.204.1104605442.squirrel@4.47.27.204> davewitley said: > David, pleased to note that every post concerned about grammar has > contained an error Hey, be glad I actually know the difference between a subject and a verb. {g} After all, I nearly failed grammar. For a hypothetical scenario, if I was to submit an HP fic to FA and it didn't pass their scan, I'd probably have no clue on how to correct it, even if I was pointed to a resource. In some cases, a webpage is not going to correct what several years of honours and advanced placement English classes couldn't achieve. As to acquiring a beta/proofreader, finding a competent and thorough one is a difficult task because it's all voluntary. I'm going to pick on this fic: http://www.livejournal.com/users/nenyaentwhistle/14701.html If you scroll down to the feedback and look for a bunny holding a hair dryer, you'll find my critical comments. The irony is this writer has a beta *team* at http://www.livejournal.com/community/nenya_project/ The examples brought up in this thread tended to stray on the extreme as if English is something definable in terms of black and white. The thing about grammar is that there's frequently no hard rule. I remember seeing an FA test example and disagreeing with the one on usage of commas versus periods. I think there are stylistic choices where periods imply a more definitive pause versus a smoother transition from a comma. If you can reasonably argue your choices and a site still doesn't approve, then there are other sites. Dina From ryokas at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 19:05:45 2005 From: ryokas at hotmail.com (kizor0) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 19:05:45 -0000 Subject: Can the chat be entered without Java support? Message-ID: Most of the time I spend my Sunday nights on computers that I can't install Java on, and thus can't access chat. I've heard a couple of offhand comments about other ways of getting to the weekly chat than the button on the left, do all of them use the same kind of applet? From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 1 19:01:44 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:01:44 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OW! References: Message-ID: <054e01c4f034$562ef4a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Lee, I love you. Sucks that you had to go through that but it made me feel slightly better knowing I'm not the only one whose suffered intense pain of the mouth. Still no word on what's wrong with me as everything's closed yesterday and today. We're going to try Monday to find out. Before my pain pills kicked in this morning I kept threatening to stab my dentist in the mouth repeatedly if he didn't fix me on Monday...luckily the pain pills have kicked in and my threats stopped. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 1 20:51:03 2005 From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (udder_pen_dragon) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:51:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: <1672.4.47.27.204.1104605442.squirrel@4.47.27.204> Message-ID: <20050101205103.35916.qmail@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dina Lerret wrote: davewitley said: > David, pleased to note that every post concerned about grammar has > contained an error Dina Lerret continued, Hey, be glad I actually know the difference between a subject and a verb. {g} After all, I nearly failed grammar. For a hypothetical scenario, if I was to submit an HP fic to FA and it didn't pass their scan, I'd probably have no clue on how to correct it, even if I was pointed to a resource. In some cases, a webpage is not going to correct what several years of honours and advanced placement English classes couldn't achieve. As to acquiring a beta/proofreader, finding a competent and thorough one is a difficult task because it's all voluntary. I'm going to pick on this fic: http://www.livejournal.com/users/nenyaentwhistle/14701.html If you scroll down to the feedback and look for a bunny holding a hair dryer, you'll find my critical comments. The irony is this writer has a beta *team* at http://www.livejournal.com/community/nenya_project/ The examples brought up in this thread tended to stray on the extreme as if English is something definable in terms of black and white. The thing about grammar is that there's frequently no hard rule. I remember seeing an FA test example and disagreeing with the one on usage of commas versus periods. I think there are stylistic choices where periods imply a more definitive pause versus a smoother transition from a comma. If you can reasonably argue your choices and a site still doesn't approve, then there are other sites. Dina UdderPD Again, I will comment on DaveW's Grammar comments of previous posts by saying even I spotted his 'deliberate' mistake. Now to Dina's comments. I completely agree with, I think. I am a 63 year old retired Engineer who prior to starting to write happy Harry F'Fiction just over a year ago hadn't written dialog for about fifty years. (Although I do have a degree in Engineering, we don't do dialog.) The return posts I receive from FA might just as well be written in Chinese, they are almost meaningless to me. A period in English, the language I speak, is a segment of time, not the full stop at the end of a sentence. I am not trying to be rude or clever, we speak different languages and one of the troubles is we both call them English. Heidi asked what was annoying in Fan Fiction, miss use of words springs to mind as does my major irritant, incomplete stories. Has anyone any idea of how many of the latter are simply because the authors have given up trying to post them at F'Alley and post them on FF.net instead. I am going away now and I will not reenter 'this' debate again unless someone specificly asks me to. Or you can e-mail me directly. Bye UdderPD ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Jan 1 21:09:20 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:09:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Apostrophes and quotes (was Info for FF moderators and writers.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found Sherry's description of what happens when using a screen-reader interesting. I don't have problems with the apostrophe ('), but I do have a horrid problem with the "Smart Quotes" formatting as what happens in Microsoft Word under normal circumstances. Suffice it to say that I turn off *All* formatting, especially the bloody "Smart Quotes." I'd rather have real apostrophes and standard quote (") marks which read far better. One thing that happens with the formatted "smart quotes" is that, in the case of a word which should have an apostrophe such as "don't," the word ends up being pronounced "don t." A possessive like "Lee's" would be pronounced "Lee s." Gaaah! Some of these things I can write exceptions for, but the formatted "Smart Quotes"...Not! If any Window-Eyes users out there have a trick for excepting the formatted quotes, write me off list--Please! :-) Anyway, this is merely an informational thing. Peace, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From annemehr at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 21:46:37 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:46:37 -0000 Subject: Info for FF moderators and writers. (sort of Humour) In-Reply-To: <003d01c4ef5c$fd6daeb0$0400a8c0@pensive> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" wrote: > My personal biggest gripe is the use of > an apostrophe instead of quotes in dialog. > For example, > here is written out, the way my screen reader might say a line of dialog > that uses apostrophes, instead of quotes. This is what I will hear. > > apostrophe, Hi. how are you? apostrophe she said, apostrophe how was your > summer? apostrophe Uh oh. Sounds like your screen reader is very American. In Britain, a single apostrophe is what is used for quotations. I guess all you can do is email your reader's company and tell them to think more globally! I just got _Harry Potter et la Chambre des Secrets_ for Christmas to try to learn French again. To signify dialogue there is a hyphen at the beginning of the paragraph, and no other indication of starting and stopping. An example, in English, would look like this: -There's more in the frying pan, sweetums, said Aunt Petunia, turning misty eyes on her massive son. We must feed you up while we've got the chance ... I don't like the sound of that school food... Annemehr From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 22:26:47 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:26:47 -0000 Subject: Info for FF moderators and writers. - Making & Breaking Rules In-Reply-To: <5913e6f8041231083335d572d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi wrote: > On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:58:19 +0000 (GMT), udder_pen_dragon > pasted in a poem that's been passed around > online for years regarding the faliability of spell checkers, and > commented, > > > > This I now dedicate to all Fiction Alley Moderators who believe that a comma is more important than the story or the meaning of words. > > > Heidi: > > And, as I'm one of the FA admins, I'm not really sure how to take > that, so I'm asking all of you what your thoughts on stories are. > Steve: There's good news and bad news; for every rule in the English language there are roughly three exceptions to the rule (from memory; 1,000 rules and 3,000 exceptions). Bad News- That makes English a very confusing language even for people who have used it effectively their whole lives. Good News - That gives us the flexibility to speak and write very expressively. In addition, English is a living language; it grows and expands to accomadate current needs. Things that used to be against the rules have become the standard. Some examples and pet peeves- Ellipsis ... 1.) The omission of a word or phrase necessary for a complete syntactical construction but not necessary for understanding. 2.) sometimes used to indicate pause or hesitation when writing dialog. I'm concerned primarily with definition 2.) which is accepted as part of the applied definition of ellipsis even if it is frequently left out of the formal definition. Many beta reader adhere unswervingly to the rule THREE AND ONLY THREE periods (...) are allowed. PERDIOD - END OF SENTENCE - NO EXCEPTION UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Unfortunately, this is one case where the rule is inadequate. It simply can't fill the needs of some writers. For many writers, need has created application, and lacking any other effective method, periods have come to mean the 'proportional passage of time'. In other words, '. . .' is a short passage of time, and '. . . . . . .' is a long passage of time. This is frequenly used by myself and other writers when we have a very specific pace of dialog in mind. When the speaker's hesitance conveys very specific things about his mood and state of mind. For a simple dialog pause, the standard three dots is fine, but for more complex pacing, there is no standard method; therefore, writers must invent one. Despite being against the rules and routinely rejected by beta readers without consideration to context or intent, it can be used effectively. Although, I readily admit, in most cases, it is done with pointless excess. I, on rare occassion, have used it so effectively that my Beta Reader commented on it, noting that the pacing really helped convey the speaker's mood. I also admit to have gotten a little carried away on occassion, and bow try to keep it to a minimum, but there are occassions when breaks, pauses, and pacing in dialog are important to me, and the pauses must be proportional, that is, I must be able to distinguish a slight pause from a slightly longer pause and from a long pause. I also need to tie the pause to specific utterances in ways that are non-standard relative to formal ellipsis rules. For example, a pause may occur before and after an utterance, and is therefore tied to the utterance. "...aahhh... What were you thinking?" These non-standard methods are typically used for pauses that are longer or more critical to pace than simple pauses, but are too short to break the dialog with descriptive narative, or when breaking into narative would disrupt the mood or flow. Because the 'dots' are being used in a non-standard way, they don't comform to 'ellipsis' standard conventions, and that can drive a purist beta readers nuts. Script Format- The problem here is that few stories lend themselves well to being told in TRUE formal script format. Which, to anyone who has investigated it, is a very formal, strict, and complex purpose directed format. Consequently, I sometimes write in my own self-invented Narrative/Dialog format. True, characters are named then what they say is listed, but between named characters speaking are long detailed STORY (not stage) based narratives. In other words, between actors speaking, I tell the story rather than give stage directions. Example: (Slightly Slashy) Basic Format- (Narrative) ACTOR: (descriptors) ...actor's speech... Actual Example- (An angel, a skinny starving pale faced angel had come down from heaven and landed in his bed. Percy watched Harry sleeping. It was hard to believe that beneath that peaceful sleep and angelic face, a nightmare was boiling. Percy hoped the comfort he had given Harry was enough, enough to have held that nightmare at bay for at least this one night. As he held Harry and nuzzled his face in Harry's neck, instinctively, his hips began to rock slowly. His angel stirred, reached back and touched his hip, caressed him, then spoke his name.) HARRY: Morning Percy. Do I get a kiss? PERCY: Morning sweetie, did you have nice dreams? And, yes, you can have a thousand kisses if you want them. . . . . . . . . . . When the narrative or the overal context don't convey the specifics of the nature of what is said I add dialog descriptors. Example- Standard format- "Get back!' Harry said furiously. Narrative/Dialog Format- HARRY: (furiously) Get back! My point here is that, it's wrong to force people who are writing in a script-LIKE format into a rigid techincal TRUE-script format. In most cases they are not writing scripts, but are telling a story in what I call a dialog format. However, I will agree that ragardless of the exact nature and style of the writer's format, it must be consistent and functional. In addition, any writer, especially an amateur, must find a Beta Reader/Proofread. I find that I know what I intended to write so well that my eyes and mind see what I intended rather than what is actually there, no matter how closely I read it. Typically, if I convert what I wrote into another format which usually means printing or publishing it, errors that my mind previously slid right over are now glaringly obvious. That's why a Beta Reader is important, they will see errors that just don't register with someone as close to the story as the original author. In addition, a good Beta Reader will immensely improve your ability as a writer. Despite the fact that I couldn't see much difference, several readers commented on my improved writing once I started using a Beta Reader. It was hardly noticable to me, but very obvious to them. My Beta Reader and I have a great system of using different colored fonts in the corrected versions. I send her a file in .DOC format, and she adds corrections in RED, then adds comments and explanation regarding corrections in another color(blue). Personal or broader story related comments are in another color(green). In addition, she rarely changes what I wrote, instead she will highlight the areas of my writing she wants to change then add her change in red. That way, I get to see the before and after, as well as, in her notes and personal comments, see the reason why; very, very helpful. You can usually find eager Bete Readers. There are a lot of people out there who love to edit stories. They love editing and proofreading as much as we love writing. To get my Beta Reader, I simple posted in this group and asked, in no time I had several volunteers. I have read several good stories that were trashed by poor writing. That is, the story was great, but it contained so many errors in grammer, punctuation, and style that it was hopelessly tedious to read. I want to read it, but I didn't want to have to struggle so hard to do it. That's exactly what happens to good stories that are poorly formated, they are so tedious to read that readers give up. The moral here is, if you want your stories read, don't make the reader struggle. Conclusion, I think, as long as a story is cleaned up enough that it's not a struggle to read, that's good enough. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to be functional. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn) From PenapartElf at aol.com Sat Jan 1 23:55:38 2005 From: PenapartElf at aol.com (penapart_elf) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:55:38 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: New Year's Resolutions for HPfGU-OTChatter Message-ID: The Year of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince' is finally making its royal entrance; there is new canon in the offing at long last! There are times when it's appropriate to shift your gears; posting at HPfGU is one of them. Remember: posting conventions here are different than that of many other websites. Please join the other members of the HPfGU community in making these New Year's Resolutions: I solemnly swear that I will ~ check the email accounts associated with my HPfGU memberships even when I am on "webview only" (see *) ~ be courteous: challenge ideas without insulting people ~ use the right list and be on topic (when posting to the main list, I will support my points about canon using canon) ~ use standard spelling, grammar and punctuation; will proofread and spell check ~ attribute accurately ~ sign my posts so *others* can attribute accurately ~ snip responsibly by deleting everything that does not contribute to making my point ~ update subject headings and make them accurate; add prefix if called for ~ put my comments after quoted materials ~ read a thread in its entirety before responding, yield not to the temptation to repeat anything unnecessarily, and check webview one last time before hitting "send" ~ send one-liners and 'me too!' posts to the individual(s) concerned off-list ~ combine short posts, especially if in the same thread, and remember to update the subject heading if necessary ~ refrain from dominating the list at any given time by posting more than my fair share ~ provide links to as opposed to reprinting copyrighted materials such as articles and books unless I've gotten permission from the copyright holder to reprint The guilty shall remain unnamed here but please note that the above check list should be used not just by the "newcomers" but also by the "old hands" whose posts are no longer being moderated. Be advised: Owls and Howlers are standing by. As always, "The Humongous Bigfile, Posting Rules You Never Knew You Had to Follow and How to Conform to Them Now That You've Signed Up" is available for reference at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html and explains the various points above in greater details. To 2005! :) Penapart Elf for the HPfGU List Admin Team * If the elves do not receive a reply to messages we send to list members, we will assume the messages aren't being seen and reserve the right to return listees to moderated status or to revoke posting privileges when necessary. Should you find yourself in either situation, please answer this last ditch attempt to get your attention. Thanks! REMINDER: replies to this admin onlist are off-topic but responses or questions sent to HPforGrownups-Owner @yahoogroups.com (minus that extra space) would be most welcomed. You are also welcome to join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback if you feel that discussion is called for. Be sure to read the home page there for instructions on joining. From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 00:37:16 2005 From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:37:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is up with JKR's site? In-Reply-To: <2970.4.12.232.13.1104451348.squirrel@4.12.232.13> Message-ID: <20050102003716.84867.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone else been on JKR's site today? I went on while I was at work thinking that when she took down the christmas decorations that she might put us up something new. The decorations are still there but when I went into the Rumours or the Daily News, the pages are blank. I thought it might just be the computer at work but when I got home just now, it is the same here. Has anyone else tried? Am I just having problems today or is this happening to anyone else. If it is happening to others, what do you think it means? Everything else on the site works just like always. moonmyyst --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bruney200 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 00:40:46 2005 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:40:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is up with JKR's site? In-Reply-To: <20050102003716.84867.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050102004046.84852.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> That what she gets for being pregnant you tend to forget things like i have or you dont feel like doning anything. How many months is she? Im 4 months yesturday. Tasha K G wrote: Has anyone else been on JKR's site today? I went on while I was at work thinking that when she took down the christmas decorations that she might put us up something new. The decorations are still there but when I went into the Rumours or the Daily News, the pages are blank. I thought it might just be the computer at work but when I got home just now, it is the same here. Has anyone else tried? Am I just having problems today or is this happening to anyone else. If it is happening to others, what do you think it means? Everything else on the site works just like always. moonmyyst --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Jesus loves you Acts 3:16 He is the way and the truth Love one another even your enemies, Right Harry Potter? http://www.JohnnyDeppisForLovers at yahoogroups.com http://www.HarryPotterRocksatHogwarts2 at yahoogroups.com http://www.Hurricane_Support_Group at yahoogroups.com http://harrypotter.meetup.com/113/"> border="0" src="http://img.meetup.com/img/logo/med/h/harrypotter.png">> --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 2 00:46:35 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:46:35 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is up with JKR's site? Message-ID: <1e9.3269d9ac.2f089e6b@aol.com> In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:37:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com writes: Has anyone else been on JKR's site today? I went on while I was at work thinking that when she took down the christmas decorations that she might put us up something new. The decorations are still there but when I went into the Rumours or the Daily News, the pages are blank. Am I just having problems today or is this happening to anyone else. If it is happening to others, what do you think it means? Everything else on the site works just like always. moonmyyst ************************************************************* Chancie: I just went to her site and the same happend to me. Maybe they are in the process of updateing it or something? Does anyone know if this has happened before? I know I've never seen that. But hopefully they are updating and when it comes back it will have some HBP info! Chancie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 00:47:38 2005 From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:47:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is up with JKR's site? In-Reply-To: <20050102004046.84852.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050102004738.87513.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com> Tasha wrote: That what she gets for being pregnant you tend to forget things like i have or you dont feel like doning anything. How many months is she? Im 4 months yesturday. Tasha I think that she is due next month. by the way... congrats!! I have 3. You will get so sick of hearing about other people's stories. Let me start with mine... my daughter (now 22) was 3 weeks late and 10lb5oz. My oldest son (now 19) was a month early and 5lb4oz (but if had gone to term would have been over 11lb) and my youngest son (now 11) was also 3 weeks late and 10lb3oz. (can you tell I have big hips!!) good luck and keep the feet up!!! (make "daddy" wait on you!! - while you can!!!) moonmyyst --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 2 00:51:50 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:51:50 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is up with JKR's site? Message-ID: <1dc.3380f733.2f089fa6@aol.com> In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:43:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, bruney200 at yahoo.com writes: That what she gets for being pregnant you tend to forget things like i have or you dont feel like doning anything. How many months is she? Im 4 months yesturday. Tasha ********************************************************** Chancie: Congrats Tasha! Being pregnant will defiantly do that to you! But then it doesn't get any better once the baby gets here (mine is 7months). I think JKR's due in February or March. Maybe she's gone into labor early, and they are updating with that info. Chancie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bruney200 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 00:52:14 2005 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:52:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is up with JKR's site? In-Reply-To: <20050102004738.87513.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050102005214.45563.qmail@web40527.mail.yahoo.com> Actually I love hearing other peoples stories so I know what Im dealing with since this is my first baby boy. So JK is due next month huh?WOW. My dad told me I was 7lbs when I was born but the doctor says I healthy and the nurse told my dad I was ok and beautiful which calmed him down. My brother was 10lbs. Tasha K G wrote: Tasha wrote: That what she gets for being pregnant you tend to forget things like i have or you dont feel like doning anything. How many months is she? Im 4 months yesturday. Tasha I think that she is due next month. by the way... congrats!! I have 3. You will get so sick of hearing about other people's stories. Let me start with mine... my daughter (now 22) was 3 weeks late and 10lb5oz. My oldest son (now 19) was a month early and 5lb4oz (but if had gone to term would have been over 11lb) and my youngest son (now 11) was also 3 weeks late and 10lb3oz. (can you tell I have big hips!!) good luck and keep the feet up!!! (make "daddy" wait on you!! - while you can!!!) moonmyyst --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. 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Jesus loves you Acts 3:16 He is the way and the truth Love one another even your enemies, Right Harry Potter? http://www.JohnnyDeppisForLovers at yahoogroups.com http://www.HarryPotterRocksatHogwarts2 at yahoogroups.com http://www.Hurricane_Support_Group at yahoogroups.com http://harrypotter.meetup.com/113/"> border="0" src="http://img.meetup.com/img/logo/med/h/harrypotter.png">> --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 2 01:07:23 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:07:23 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Baby Stories(was:What is up with JKR's site? Message-ID: <1db.32787f55.2f08a34b@aol.com> In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:53:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, bruney200 at yahoo.com writes: Actually I love hearing other peoples stories so I know what Im dealing with since this is my first baby boy. So JK is due next month huh?WOW. My dad told me I was 7lbs when I was born but the doctor says I healthy and the nurse told my dad I was ok and beautiful which calmed him down. My brother was 10lbs. Tasha ************************************************************** Chancie: When I was pregnant with my daughter they told me that she was going to be 8lbs 8oz. by birth. But when I had her she was a petite 6lbs 12oz. (Oh the joy of Naval Medicine...but that's another story) I remember when I had her thinking how tiny she was, and it was like all of a sudden she got so big. I know its hard to try and enjoy the no baby time (at lest it was for me) but do yourself a favor and get all the sleep you can, because once that baby gets here you'll wish you had. Although by the time you start really getting big you can't really sleep anyway because your so uncomfortable, but it's all over soon, and as soon as you see that precious angel it will all be worth every second of what your going through now! Chancie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sun Jan 2 01:18:45 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:18:45 -0000 Subject: What is up with JKR's site? In-Reply-To: <20050102003716.84867.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: moonmyyst wrote: > Has anyone else been on JKR's site today? I went on while I was at work thinking that when she took down the christmas decorations that she might put us up something new. The decorations are still there but when I went into the Rumours or the Daily News, the pages are blank. I thought it might just be the computer at work but when I got home just now, it is the same here. Has anyone else tried? Am I just having problems today or is this happening to anyone else. If it is happening to others, what do you think it means? Everything else on the site works just like always. I think it's to do with the year change. I got the same, but if you go to the text-only version and click on Rumours or news, it says 'No Records' for 2005, and has a link for 2004, which takes you to the stories that were there. So I suspect it's a minor error in the Flash version, which causes only 2005 stories (i.e. none) to be displayed. Christmas traditionally ends on January 6th (Twelfth Night) here, though most people are back at work and school well before that. David From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 01:55:09 2005 From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What is up with JKR's site? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050102015509.30506.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> davewitley wrote: I think it's to do with the year change. I got the same, but if you go to the text-only version and click on Rumours or news, it says 'No Records' for 2005, and has a link for 2004, which takes you to the stories that were there. So I suspect it's a minor error in the Flash version, which causes only 2005 stories (i.e. none) to be displayed. Christmas traditionally ends on January 6th (Twelfth Night) here, though most people are back at work and school well before that. David ah, well, it was a nice thought!! moonmyyst __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Jan 2 02:20:00 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:20:00 -0500 Subject: Testing--Is Yahoo In Timewarp? Message-ID: Hi there, I posted two messages today; one was a response to Saitaina's "Ow" thread and one was responding to Sherry G.'s screen-reader description. Neither have been seen by me to have gone through. Hmm--O where, O where did those little posts go? O where, O where can they be? Has YahooMort gotten ahold of them And sent them into the sea? Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sun Jan 2 03:47:58 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:47:58 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: New Year's Resolutions for HPfGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i never maik new years resolooshuns. yee-haw! i can brake all the rules now mwahahahaha --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "penapart_elf" wrote: > > The Year of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince' > is finally making its royal entrance; there is new canon > in the offing at long last! > > There are times when it's appropriate to shift your > gears; posting at HPfGU is one of them. Remember: > posting conventions here are different than that of > many other websites. Please join the other members > of the HPfGU community in making these New Year's > Resolutions: > > > > > > I solemnly swear that I will > > ~ check the email accounts associated with my HPfGU > memberships even when I am on "webview only" (see *) > > ~ be courteous: challenge ideas without insulting people > > ~ use the right list and be on topic > (when posting to the main list, I will support my points > about canon using canon) > > ~ use standard spelling, grammar and punctuation; > will proofread and spell check > > ~ attribute accurately > > ~ sign my posts so *others* can attribute accurately > > ~ snip responsibly by deleting everything that does not > contribute to making my point > > ~ update subject headings and make them accurate; > add prefix if called for > > ~ put my comments after quoted materials > > ~ read a thread in its entirety before responding, yield > not to the temptation to repeat anything unnecessarily, > and check webview one last time before hitting "send" > > ~ send one-liners and 'me too!' posts to the individual(s) > concerned off-list > > ~ combine short posts, especially if in the same thread, > and remember to update the subject heading if necessary > > ~ refrain from dominating the list at any given time by > posting more than my fair share > > ~ provide links to as opposed to reprinting copyrighted > materials such as articles and books unless I've gotten > permission from the copyright holder to reprint > > > > The guilty shall remain unnamed here but please > note that the above check list should be used not > just by the "newcomers" but also by the "old hands" > whose posts are no longer being moderated. > > Be advised: Owls and Howlers are standing by. > > As always, "The Humongous Bigfile, Posting Rules You > Never Knew You Had to Follow and How to Conform to > Them Now That You've Signed Up" is available for > reference at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html and > explains the various points above in greater details. > > To 2005! > > :) Penapart Elf > for the HPfGU List Admin Team > > > > * If the elves do not receive a reply to messages we > send to list members, we will assume the messages > aren't being seen and reserve the right to return > listees to moderated status or to revoke posting > privileges when necessary. Should you find yourself > in either situation, please answer this last ditch > attempt to get your attention. Thanks! > > > > REMINDER: replies to this admin onlist are off-topic but > responses or questions sent to HPforGrownups-Owner > @yahoogroups.com (minus that extra space) would be > most welcomed. You are also welcome to join > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback > > if you feel that discussion is called for. Be sure to read > the home page there for instructions on joining. From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 04:07:39 2005 From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:07:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: New Year's Resolutions for HPfGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050102040739.73223.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com> davewitley wrote: i never maik new years resolooshuns. yee-haw! i can brake all the rules now mwahahahaha my only resolution this year has to do with a tall man... over 40.... single.... good job.... accent would be nice (or at least what would be an accent to me)....loves dogs and my kids..... moonmyyst __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Jan 2 04:35:42 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:35:42 -0500 Subject: Reposting--RE: Apostrophes and quotes (was Info for FF moderators and writers.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (Original sent at 16:09 Eastern Time, 1 January, and swallowed by YahooMort) I found Sherry's description of what happens when using a screen-reader interesting. I don't have problems with the apostrophe ('), but I do have a horrid problem with the "Smart Quotes" formatting as what happens in Microsoft Word under normal circumstances. Suffice it to say that I turn off *All* formatting, especially the bloody "Smart Quotes." I'd rather have real apostrophes and standard quote (") marks which read far better. One thing that happens with the formatted "smart quotes" is that, in the case of a word which should have an apostrophe such as "don't," the word ends up being pronounced "don t." A possessive like "Lee's" would be pronounced "Lee s." Gaaah! Some of these things I can write exceptions for, but the formatted "Smart Quotes"...Not! If any Window-Eyes users out there have a trick for excepting the formatted quotes, write me off list--Please! :-) Anyway, this is merely an informational thing. Peace, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Jan 2 04:36:22 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:36:22 -0500 Subject: Reposting--RE: OW! In-Reply-To: <027401c4eef7$7a2822c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: (Original sent at 13:13 Eastern Time, 1 January, and swallowed by YahooMort) Heya Folks, Ya want dental stories? Okay...you asked for it? You got it... Normally, wisdom teeth aren't so bad, but when one has impacted teeth and is immune to pain killers...that's when things are really bad! Been there, done that...back in 1977. I had an abscess below the gum and it was at one of my four impacted wisdoms. It all had to be removed. That wasn't so bad; amazing what a bit of sodium pentothal will do. It was the time after...the Novocain was useless, the heavy-duty pain pills were worse than useless. I'm one of those poor critters who is relatively immune to pain-killers. In a nutshell, and with many calls to my doctor and dental surgeon, I took seven percadan (SP?) and one codeine in five hours, wanted to amputate my jaw, and had to endure listening to the ever-over-loud TV set of my ever-drunken upstairs neighbor. Suffice it to say that the next morning, I was a physical and mental wreck coupled with the fact that my stitches all came neatly out by themselves which sent me back to the dental surgeon who said that I'd healed sufficiently and he wasn't going to restitch. For the next several days I looked like a squirrel and had to concentrate on eating on the non-gouged side of my mouth. Talk about hell! I swear up and down and sidewise that if I have to have any of the rest of these impacted teeth removed, I'm going to sign into a hospital and beg/plead/demand they keep me knocked out for at least 48 hours! I'm not going through that again! On a happier note, I wish you all a fulfilling and happy 2005. Hugs to you all! Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 2 05:02:16 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 2 Jan 2005 05:02:16 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1104642136.11.73731.m25@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 2, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From sherriola at earthlink.net Sun Jan 2 06:37:52 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:37:52 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Reposting--RE: Apostrophes and quotes (was Info for FF moderators and writers.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00cc01c4f095$964564a0$0400a8c0@pensive> That's interesting, Lee. With JAWS--that's my screen reading program, for all the sighted people on the list--I can supposedly turn off punctuation being spoken at all on a temporary basis. but when I did this some very weird things happened, a nd I had to do a repair on the program and almost had to reinstall it. I think it must have gotten confused by the conflict with my normal punctuation settings. grin. Oh, well, thank goodness, there are so many ways to read Harry Potter, and it's fan fiction! Sherry -----Original Message----- From: (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) [mailto:n2fgc at arrl.net] Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:36 PM To: HPOtChat Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Reposting--RE: Apostrophes and quotes (was Info for FF moderators and writers.) (Original sent at 16:09 Eastern Time, 1 January, and swallowed by YahooMort) I found Sherry's description of what happens when using a screen-reader interesting. I don't have problems with the apostrophe ('), but I do have a horrid problem with the "Smart Quotes" formatting as what happens in Microsoft Word under normal circumstances. Suffice it to say that I turn off *All* formatting, especially the bloody "Smart Quotes." I'd rather have real apostrophes and standard quote (") marks which read far better. One thing that happens with the formatted "smart quotes" is that, in the case of a word which should have an apostrophe such as "don't," the word ends up being pronounced "don t." A possessive like "Lee's" would be pronounced "Lee s." Gaaah! Some of these things I can write exceptions for, but the formatted "Smart Quotes"...Not! If any Window-Eyes users out there have a trick for excepting the formatted quotes, write me off list--Please! :-) Anyway, this is merely an informational thing. Peace, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Jan 2 07:08:42 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 02:08:42 -0500 Subject: Screen-Readers (was RE: Reposting--RE: Apostrophes and quotes In-Reply-To: <00cc01c4f095$964564a0$0400a8c0@pensive> Message-ID: I'm not taking any chances with doing a "Reply-to." I just put in the address from my addressbook, just in case there's something a bit wacked out on YahooMort. [Sherry G. said]: | That's interesting, Lee. With JAWS--that's my screen reading program, for | all the sighted people on the list--I can supposedly turn off punctuation | being spoken at all on a temporary basis. but when I did this some very | weird things happened, a nd I had to do a repair on the program and almost | had to reinstall it. I think it must have gotten confused by the conflict | with my normal punctuation settings. grin. [Lee]: There are things Jaws does better than Window-Eyes, but on-the-fly changes aren't one of those things. Because Jaws is run by scripted files, things can get a bit dodgy, I think. I've never used the program, so I can't say for sure. I have, however, seen the scripting language and tucked my head under my wing and ran. Since Window-Eyes is so nicely menu-driven, it's a lot easier to turn things on and off. For those of you who don't use text-to-speech screen-readers, if you'd like some demos to play with, you can get a demo of Window-Eyes from G.W.Micro at: http://www.gwmicro.com . They also have an FTP site. For the Jaws program that Sherry uses, I believe you'll find a demo at: http://www.freedomscientific.com . Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Jan 2 07:26:53 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 02:26:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Beta readers and Grints Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Replies for Saitaina Message-ID: <2250.4.47.27.204.1104650813.squirrel@4.47.27.204> Combining replies from "Re: Oddities + Replies for Saitaina" and "Re: Info for FF moderators and writers". Saitaina said (from Re: Oddities + Replies for Saitaina): > can't paint. So I now have a painting > of a boat at sea painted directly on my > wall (the picture is in my LJ > Eventually we'll get the room done and > I'm going to paint the Slytherin house > crest on the ceiling (to go with the > green and silver trim). The front > bedroom is going to be done in purples > with either a sunset or a castle. Cool beans. {g} Share pictures whenever you get them done. Saitaina said (from Re: Info for FF moderators and writers): > miss you as my beta, my new one's known > me to long and is mean to me. *pouts* > She makes me work to hard. Boot. Camp! Boot. Camp! Hehe. ;-) I've had an Australian beta reader who thought the job should be a 'blood sport'. That your returned fic should be covered in red to rival a horror flick. Suffice it say, I didn't stick with her for long. {g} For me, it's a very slow learning process because grammar isn't strictly about memorization; it's about adaptation. Oh yeah, and that Harry/Percy script example posted to the group almost made me curious about the pairing. :-) I'm not much of a Potter/Weasley gal. Though... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Norn/rupenjames.jpg {eyes Rupert Grint's brother with the 'Russell Crowe' vibe} ...It's not for lack of appreciating dark hair with red. Bad Dina! Dina From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 2 16:02:07 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 2 Jan 2005 16:02:07 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1104681727.37.74216.m6@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 2, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sun Jan 2 16:48:07 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:48:07 -0800 Subject: Beta readers and Grints Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Replies for Saitaina References: <2250.4.47.27.204.1104650813.squirrel@4.47.27.204> Message-ID: <001601c4f0ea$d623cb20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Dina wrote: Will do. hehe, I'm liking my LJ photo beta, I've shared pictures of my half finished room, my cats and my Samhain costume. I guess I'm lucky I was friends with my current beta for years before she took on the job. I know she's only being strict to help me. She encourages my writing and often helps me with my novels as well. She's just trying to help me be the best I can be...it's just annoying when she intrudes on my brilliance. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Jan 2 21:00:06 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:00:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OW! In-Reply-To: <054e01c4f034$562ef4a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: [Saitaina wrote]: | | Lee, I love you. | | Sucks that you had to go through that | but it made me feel slightly better | knowing I'm not the only one whose | suffered intense pain of the mouth. [Lee, Grinning]: What's it they say? Misery loves company...ain't it de truth! Oh--and be sure to get a helm with a protective visor. I say this because if you have any friends who are face-squeezers or cheek-pinchers, guess which cheek or part of the face acts like a magnet for such squeezers and pinchers...no kidding! It was two days after that miserable surgery when I encountered a very dear friend of mine who was indeed drawn to that cheek (unknowingly) and squished it. Talk about a huge "OW!!!" My friend was totally mortified that she had done that and apologized most profusely. I do hope your dentist can get you all straightened out...and fast! Meanwhile, gargle and slosh with a salt-water and peroxide mix (about 60/40) to keep things clean and happy in there. The mix tastes nasty, but, if you hold your nose, it's not too bad. :-) Now, if the dentist can't fix the problem, do a bit of a Crucio on him/her. :-) Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From sydenmill at msn.com Sun Jan 2 22:25:23 2005 From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:25:23 -0000 Subject: Can the chat be entered without Java support? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kizor0" wrote: > > Most of the time I spend my Sunday nights on computers that I can't > install Java on, and thus can't access chat. I've heard a couple of > offhand comments about other ways of getting to the weekly chat than > the button on the left, do all of them use the same kind of applet? Bohcoo adds: I am so glad you brought this question up. I, too, cannot visit the chat any longer -- after I had to replace my hard drive. My new hard drive says that Java is enabled, but, try as I might, through every avenue available to enter the Sunday chat, I can't. I'm sorry you are having trouble too, but somewhat relieved to hear I am not the only one having a problem. I sure hope there is someone in the group who can help us. I've missed you guys! From nakedkali at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 07:07:29 2005 From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:07:29 -0000 Subject: Books about Harry Potter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: imamommy said : I was wondering if anyone out there had read it (or > written it!) and if you thought it was any good. Sea Change responds: My roommate Peirigill has a philosophy degree. He looked at it in the bookstore and was able to dismiss it as elementary, unoriginal, and uninteresting in short order. He's inclined to suffer fools, so he is not likely to make a judgement like that unless he was *very* sure. Sea Change, who also tried to read it in the library, but who has a science background instead of a humanties one and found it impenetrable. From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 10:50:15 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:50:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: JKR's Site Message-ID: <20050103105015.82538.qmail@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Some have reported glitches with the site. I've tried several times today and can't get on. Must be the post holiday blues. Ho-Humm, Paula Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? Get yours free! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 3 11:06:06 2005 From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (udder_pen_dragon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's Site (+Changes) In-Reply-To: <20050103105015.82538.qmail@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050103110606.10577.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Paula Gaon wrote, Some have reported glitches with the site. I've tried several times today and can't get on. Must be the post holiday blues. UdderPD I read your post so I went to check JKR's site and it seems to be working O.K. However in the Rumours section, I actually thought that I noticed yesterday but I have confimed it today that the advertisements keep changing. Has this always happened, or is it new? TTFN UdderPD --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? Get yours free! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bhobbs at midmaine.com Mon Jan 3 13:42:40 2005 From: bhobbs at midmaine.com (Belinda) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:42:40 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site (+Changes) In-Reply-To: <20050103110606.10577.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon wrote: > However in the Rumours section, I actually thought that I noticed yesterday but I have confimed it today that the advertisements keep changing. > > Has this always happened, or is it new? > Nope, always been there. There are 7 of them. Aren't they cool? I'm working on posting the text to the Lexicon at the moment... so just had to reply to your post. ;-) I already have them in the Fiction Alley forum here: [http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php? s=&threadid=72010] if you'd care to take a look. Belinda From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 16:11:47 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:11:47 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site (+Changes)/Belinda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Belinda" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon > wrote: > > > However in the Rumours section, I actually thought that I noticed > yesterday but I have confimed it today that the advertisements keep > changing. > > > > Has this always happened, or is it new? > > > > Nope, always been there. There are 7 of them. Aren't they cool? > I'm working on posting the text to the Lexicon at the moment... so > just had to reply to your post. ;-) > I already have them in the Fiction Alley forum here: > [http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php? > s=&threadid=72010] > if you'd care to take a look. > > Belinda Belinda, "bhobbs" is YOU??? I never knew that! Should I have? Er...back on topic... my favorite ad is the one for Borgin & Burkes. Annemehr/FlyOnTheWall From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 01:34:00 2005 From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:34:00 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site Quibbler Ad In-Reply-To: <20050103110606.10577.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon wrote: > > Snip > > However in the Rumours section, I actually thought that I noticed yesterday but I have confimed it today that the advertisements keep changing. > > Has this always happened, or is it new? > > TTFN UdderPD > > *****\(@@)/***** Has anyone noticed what the Quibbler ad says???????? It announces that: "Fudge forced to flee" with the second line "Minister of Magic chased from office" - I wonder if that means anything? Possible portents of things to come! Dudemom_2000 *****\(@@)/***** From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 4 04:35:04 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:35:04 -0000 Subject: Book Review (was Re: Books about Harry Potter) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sea Change" wrote: > > imamommy said : > I was wondering if anyone out there had read it (or > > written it!) and if you thought it was any good. > > > Sea Change responds: > > My roommate Peirigill has a philosophy degree. He looked at it in the > bookstore and was able to dismiss it as elementary, unoriginal, and > uninteresting in short order. He's inclined to suffer fools, so he is > not likely to make a judgement like that unless he was *very* sure. > > > Sea Change, who also tried to read it in the library, but who has a > science background instead of a humanties one and found it impenetrable. imamommy: As it turns out, my mother bought me the book (Harry Potter and Philosophy) for Christmas. Since I got it free, and it was already inscribed (my mom inscribes all books, even the ones she buys for herself) I decided to go ahead and read it. Most of the book was, in fact, very basic. I am not formally disciplined in philosophy, but a lot of it gave me a "well, duh" kind of reaction. Only the last few articles, one I think in the Slytherin section and some of the ones in the Ravenclaw section, prompted any serious additional thought on my part. I would recommend "Harry Potter and Philosophy" for those with very little experience in philosophy who are Potterheads. It seems the book was written with almost a high school philosophy class in mind (if only Harry Potter were allowed in school) and any of you with teens who enjoy the HP series might consider it for them, but don't pay to get it for your own selves. imamommy From tonks_op at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 05:54:49 2005 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 05:54:49 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site Quibbler Ad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon > wrote: but I have confimed it today that the advertisements keep > changing. > > > > Has this always happened, or is it new? snip > Has anyone noticed what the Quibbler ad says???????? It announces > that: "Fudge forced to flee" with the second line "Minister of Magic > chased from office" - I wonder if that means anything? Possible > portents of things to come! Tonks: The ads do change. However I did not see what you saw. And the rest of the page is blank. Monday Pm late. From bhobbs at midmaine.com Tue Jan 4 15:34:40 2005 From: bhobbs at midmaine.com (Belinda) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:34:40 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site (+Changes)/Belinda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > Belinda, "bhobbs" is YOU??? I never knew that! Should I have? > > Er...back on topic... my favorite ad is the one for Borgin & Burkes. > > Annemehr/FlyOnTheWall LOL! Yes that's me! aka Bel... aka Bel~... aka potionsmaster36... That's about the same reaction I had to you! Annemehr... aka FlyOnTheWall... aka Florence? heehee As for the ads, I think they're wonderful! So clever and totally Jo's sense of humor! Some of the things that caught my attention: Dragons give milk??? (recipes for Dragon milk cheeses) The "No muggles" sign. Don't think I'd risk those side effects for Magi-Me-More... tusks?! and LOL at WHOPPERWEAR!! oh, yes... and I DO think that the Quibbler reporting Fudge being chased from office is significant. Here's the link to the FAPark forum (On JKR's Desk) again in case anyone wants to read the text and discuss the ads. I'd love to get some discussion started in those threads. http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php? s=&threadid=72010 (watch for a broken link... you might have to copy and paste the rest of the URL in the address bar ;) Belinda From stbjohn2 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 18:07:27 2005 From: stbjohn2 at yahoo.com (stbjohn2) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:07:27 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site Quibbler Ad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > but I have confimed it today that the advertisements keep > > changing. > > > > > > Has this always happened, or is it new? > snip > > > Has anyone noticed what the Quibbler ad says???????? It announces > > that: "Fudge forced to flee" with the second line "Minister of > Magic > > chased from office" - I wonder if that means anything? Possible > > portents of things to come! > Sandy the ads change, not sure of everything in the cycle, but it includes (doing this from memory, so somethings may just be the general concept, not the actual ad) Fudge chased from office, the muggle- detecting gate hinges or door knockers or whatever; "Charm your Cheese book", Madam Malkins selling robes for the large-size wizard, and a concert by what's her name...Celstina Warbuck? As far as I know, those are the same ads that have been on the site since it opened in May. From saitaina at frontiernet.net Tue Jan 4 18:24:01 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:24:01 -0800 Subject: Teef Update References: Message-ID: <00ca01c4f28a$94361f00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Since I posted here earlier about my tooth pain, I thought I'd let you guys know what's going down. Apparently, my dentist, in his idiotic wisdom, filled a tooth that needs a root canal. Thus the extreme pain that has required me to take pain pills leading to allergic reactions and a personality change (I'm nicer while doped up...I actually told people I loved and cared about them...ick). I'm scheduled for the procedure on Thursday and since I've never had one, I'm now terrified. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gallo at wpaccs.com Tue Jan 4 19:16:46 2005 From: gallo at wpaccs.com (Amy) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:16:46 -0000 Subject: Teef Update In-Reply-To: <00ca01c4f28a$94361f00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" wrote: > (snip snip) > I'm scheduled for the procedure on > Thursday and since I've never had one, > I'm now terrified. > > Saitaina > ************************************************************* > I know you won't believe it right now, but you'll be so glad to get it done! The jitters beforehand, IMHO, are worse than the procedure. I've had about 4 or 5 root canals over my life (nice teeth, I know). The last one I had I was actually begging for because I was in horrible, horrible pain. Yeah, it feels weird having someone go that far down into your jaw (!), but the novacaine makes it easier. Have they described to you what they're going to do? Sometimes if you know what they are actually doing helps, since you don't feel so "lost". The first time I had one done no one told me what was going on and I kept seeing these strange instruments all around my head and I felt like I was strapped to a medieval torture device or something! Now I'm something of an old pro at 'em (unfortunately). Let us know how it goes - I wish you lotsa luck (you'll be fine!). Amy :) (Maybe ask for a nice Cheering Charm, then you can laugh your way through it...) From drednort at alphalink.com.au Tue Jan 4 22:36:33 2005 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:36:33 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Teef Update In-Reply-To: <00ca01c4f28a$94361f00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <41DBB521.13585.8FCBB@localhost> On 4 Jan 2005 at 10:24, Saitaina wrote: > I'm scheduled for the procedure on > Thursday and since I've never had one, > I'm now terrified. I've had one root canal done - actually as a result of some of the bullying I received at school - some absolute... deleted... all but killed one of my teeth. I was terrified at the thought of a root canal - but in actual fact, I was surprised that it didn't hurt at all. It was a bit uncomfortable having to hold my mouth open all that time while someone had their hands and various stools in there - but it really didn't hurt. I don't how common my experience is - but I can tell you that it's at least possible for root canals to be painless. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From saitaina at frontiernet.net Tue Jan 4 23:12:35 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:12:35 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Teef Update References: <41DBB521.13585.8FCBB@localhost> Message-ID: <020401c4f2b2$e1371340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Thanks to Shaun and Amy for calming some of my fears. My biggest problem now is my gag reflex. I can gag while eating so having them work on my back teeth are going to be "fun". *rolls eyes*. Anything will be better then these pain pills and my allergic reactions to said pills. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michel56 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 5 01:42:38 2005 From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:42:38 -0000 Subject: Teef Update In-Reply-To: <020401c4f2b2$e1371340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" wrote: > Thanks to Shaun and Amy for calming > some of my fears. My biggest problem > now is my gag reflex. I can gag while > eating so having them work on my back > teeth are going to be "fun". *rolls > eyes*. > > Anything will be better then these pain > pills and my allergic reactions to said > pills. > > Saitaina > **** Now Michele: Aww, I feel for you. But as Amy and Shaun have mentioned, it isn't as bad as it's made out to be. I am assuming you'll be "numbed" up with novacaine, and that helps. I've had 3 root canals, the latest was just a couple months ago. It went well, no problem. I was like you before it though, totally in pain and taking all kinds of stuff to make it go away. Only the root canal made it go away. As for the gagging reflex, I've had that problem, too. Just try to remember to breathe through your nose while they're working in there. I honestly have to keep telling myself ..through the nose, through the nose.... and I've found that it really eliminates that need to gag. My dentist told me this the first time I had a root canal when I was about to choke from holding back the gagging. LOL... But I swear the nose-breathing works like a charm! Good luck, Saitaina, you'll do fine I'm sure! Michele From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 06:49:34 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:49:34 -0000 Subject: Teef Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Saitaina wrote: > > Thanks to Shaun and Amy for calming > > some of my fears. My biggest problem > > now is my gag reflex. > Now Michele: > > As for the gagging reflex, I've had that problem, too. Just try to > remember to breathe through your nose while they're working in > there. Annemehr: Hey, me too! Some days I can't even brush my back teeth, let alone floss. Breathing through the nose definitely helps a lot. Another thing is to remind the dentist to try not to touch things to the back of your tongue if he can help it. I just had an extra tooth pulled that had grown *behind* a wisdom tooth (which I still have, all four of them). I was fine, but started to gag when he laid an instrument across the back of my tongue. When he took it out and said "sorry," I told him what the problem was, and it went smoothly from there on. What I really hate at the dentist is getting those bite-wing x-rays. I have to put the things into my mouth myself and breathe very heavily through the nose while the hygenist takes the x-ray *quickly.* I've never had a root canal, though my Mom has had several. She doesn't seem to dread them or anything. Sorry, that's probably not much help! Best of luck, Saitaina, and I hope you'll be munching on your favorite foods soon. Annemehr From saitaina at frontiernet.net Wed Jan 5 07:58:44 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:58:44 -0800 Subject: Idiot Confession References: Message-ID: <03b301c4f2fc$61d2c5a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Alright, so not only tonight to I flash the neighbors, but I, in my extreme stupidity, forget that I took one pain pill earlier and promptly an hour later take two more, causing concern for me and my mother who calls poison control who INSISTS I must be rushed by the hospital and calls an ambulance. So my house ends up at near midnight, filled with five EMT's (two ambulances), three fire/med personnel from the local fire department, and five cops who declare me NOT a risk to myself or others (I think they were just bored). They take my pulse and blood pressure (and then leave me alone with the pulse thing so I play with it by adjusting my breathing to make it go up and down at a whim), give me an EKG (I'm alive and kicking, mum nearly smacked me when I said that), then re-call poison control as they were confused as to why they were there, ask me a billion more times exactly what happened, discover it is NOT an emergency and I have a choice of being transported, drinking activated charcoal (EWWW, I hate that stuff and they never give me a bucket to throw up in), or refusing transport as I'm an adult and staying in my nice comfy home (and possibly being murdered by Mere). I promptly refused several times and attempted to refuse in French. A few signatures later and I was all cleared and have listed to Mere yell at me for causing a disruption and have had my pain pills removed from my possession. Am nauseated, have the itchies, have a head ache...and my toothache is STILL THERE! *huffs* Though two of the EMT's were cute...too bad I don't go for guys. Anyone want them? Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From barbfulton at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 17:06:43 2005 From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:06:43 -0000 Subject: Teef Update In-Reply-To: <020401c4f2b2$e1371340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" wrote: > Thanks to Shaun and Amy for calming > some of my fears. My biggest problem > now is my gag reflex. I can gag while > eating so having them work on my back > teeth are going to be "fun". *rolls > eyes*. > > Anything will be better then these pain > pills and my allergic reactions to said > pills. > > Saitaina > **** > "I will not lick the manga...I will not > lick the manga..." > > I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens > out! > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina > > "No, one day I'm going to look back on > all this and plow face-first into a > tree because I was looking the wrong > bloody way. And I'll still be having a > better day than I am today." Barb now: Just thought I would add my 2 knuts... I was/am terrified of the dentist. Don't know why, I know it's irrational. So I went about 10 years without going, even though I knew there was a problem in a tooth. (Smart, huh?) So when I finally went, I needed a root canal in that tooth. The root canal happened a couple of days later, and it was virtually painless. A little bit of pressure, but really, no pain. I made sure the dentist knew I was terrified, and he was very patient, gentle, and he answered my questions. I had headphones and listened to the radio (maybe bring HP on cd?) and kept my eyes closed. It was a lot quicker than I thought it would be, too. I was expecting it to be dreadful, which it wasn't. The dentist told me he usually prescribed 2 pain relievers after a root canal, and I couldn't have either, because I am breastfeeding-don't want to dope up the baby! All I was allowed to have was ibuprofin or Tylenol. Know what? I didn't need any! No pain after the root canal, either. Hope it goes well for you! -Barb From seuferer at netins.net Wed Jan 5 23:08:03 2005 From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:08:03 -0000 Subject: Grown-up HP RPG looking for Lucius Malfoy Message-ID: Haunted Chambers is looking for Lucius Malfoy, among other key characters. This game is owned and administrated by adults and recruiting for good, strong role-players. We do have some younger players, but the majority of our players are in their late 20's or older, so board maturity and role-playing quality is very good. The board is BOOK canon-friendly, though it does allow and even welcome well-thought-out original characters. Applicants are screened thoroughly for book knowledge and a good, solid grasp of their characters. The successful applicant for Lucius will be one who has a good grasp of his character and personality, of course, but also who has time to commit to posting fairly frequently--ideally once or twice a day on average, at least. Preferential consideration will be given to adult applicants, simply because Lucius's potential for evilness can probably be more thoroughly explored by mature players. Does this sound like your sort of game FINALLY? Then come and have a look around at: http://www.hauntedchambers.net Lucius is by no means or only 'needed' character, though he is toward the top on the list of 'greatest need' just now. Peter Pettigrew has also recently become available. For the full list of needed characters, follow the link to the website. From beccalu329 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 03:23:08 2005 From: beccalu329 at yahoo.com (beccalu329) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:23:08 -0000 Subject: HP withdrawal remedies Message-ID: To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? I think that what I loved most about HP is that you immediately get absorbed in the story and characters. I'm looking for something written in a style like Rowling's - she expertly creates a captivating world for readers without using a verbose and overly metaphorical style that sometimes convolutes the story. So far, everything I pick up just doesn't do it for me! I am usually an avid Stephen King reader, but lately I've wanted a change from scary, sci-fi thrillers and now prefer a "feel-good" book like HP. I love the magical world of wizards and spells and young characters in HP and wish to find something else like it:) The problem is that now I'm finding it hard to find a book for adults that is written as purely and brilliantly as HP. Please help! Becca :) From redina at silverbloom.net Thu Jan 6 04:21:59 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:21:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Not looking for one job but *two* :-( Message-ID: <3084.4.47.27.212.1104985319.squirrel@4.47.27.212> Such is life. :-( My mom has been in court today (mediation + pre-trial in the same day) and it looks like my dad still wants to completely cut off all alimony, regardless of his still having $100,000 in savings and no mortgage since he paid off his house because he hasn't found a job in ~three years (he was an electronics engineer)... I'm really beginning to question my mom's lawyer because he didn't appear at Tuesday's deposition--though he explained traffic was the problem. Anyway, only way I could probably support both her and me is if I work sixteen hour workdays (or get in 80+ hour work weeks - must generate $1,900-2,000/month)... Man, that is so going to *suck* [and not in a good way]. My mom isn't fit enough to work and doesn't have much by way of skills... Not to say that I have skills--other than to piss off folk. ;-) Even at my old job, I was only raking in about ~$14,000/year, including overtime (a third of the time was 50-60 hour weeks). Here's an amusing thought: I still haven't found time to open up my POA DVD under the basis of why bother opening it if I'm going to fall asleep while watching. Lame logic, I know. So much for my time online. Dina From heidi at heidi8.com Thu Jan 6 06:41:02 2005 From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:41:02 -0500 Subject: "...full blown obsession..."? Message-ID: <1104993663.ADCF6F9@s29.dngr.org> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:44pm, beccalu329 wrote: > To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? Well, have you tried any Harry Potter fanfic? There's a number of novel-length fics written by & for grownups, like Paradigm of Uncertainty, the Draco trilogy, the Stealing Harry series, etc, and shorter fics as well (http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Lori, http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Cassandra_Claire and http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Samvimes respectively). Other hp fans through the years have enjoyed novels like Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next series and Neil Gaiman/Terry Pratchett's Good Omens series is having another resurgence of popularity. Just some starts. Heidi From redina at silverbloom.net Thu Jan 6 07:50:56 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:50:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Orlando Bloom/Jason Isaacs pics+interview Message-ID: <1802.4.47.27.202.1104997856.squirrel@4.47.27.202> http://www.livejournal.com/community/tinalikesstuff/5322.html I love that first pic because it's like Bloom has this expression of 'don't you wish you were here' as he's standing next to Isaacs. {chuckle} >From http://www.livejournal.com/users/beizy/522736.html : [[ Host: "Why did you [Orli] need to be at the boot camp, then?" Jason: "Well, you know, he's a very pretty boy and there were a lot of men about..." ]] I had never seen the Johnny Vaughan BHD interview before. Vid clip at Beizy's journal but there's also a link for the transcript here: http://www.jasonisaacsphotoalbumsonline.com/TV/JohnnyVaughan/page1.htm Dina From n2fgc at arrl.net Thu Jan 6 13:03:40 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:03:40 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A good series of books is Diane Duane's "Young Wizard" series. The first is, "So You Wanna Be A Wizard?" They've got a different tack on wizarding but the characters are very real-type kids who end up thrust into a strange world trying to undo the damage of The Dark One, so to speak. Another excellent series would be the Lloyd Alexander books: "The Book Of Three," "The Black Cauldron," Etc. Written in a Welsh setting and further back in time, They create a world of interesting characters, castles, spells, action, good plot, and all the things we love. Hope that helps. :-) Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From timregan at microsoft.com Thu Jan 6 13:29:36 2005 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:29:36 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP withdrawal remedies Message-ID: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E150153BB8F@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, Lee mentioned: >>> A good series of books is Diane Duane's "Young Wizard" series. The first is, "So You Wanna Be A Wizard?" <<< Christina Moore's reading of this is fantastic. Amazon don't have it in stock, but I picked the cassettes up from my (then) local library in Sammamish. Cheers, Dumbledad. From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net Thu Jan 6 13:54:18 2005 From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:54:18 -0000 Subject: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Becca wrote: > > > To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by > rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate > student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good > idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read > until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? kjirstem: I've enjoyed Diana Wynne Jones' books, finding them has been one of the benefits of only being able to browse in the children's library lately. I'd say her books are generally of the "feel-good" variety. Also, Connie Willis is more of a sci-fi writer, but in many of her books the characters and story are far more important than the sci-fi aspects. Some of her books are upbeat and humorous (IMO), others have left me with more complex feelings, but still very satisfied. They're of a very different sort than you were specifically looking for but Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey/Maturin books are also very enjoyable. I've sunk into mini-obsessions with that series in the past. In a nutshell: historical, nautical setting, adventure, and complex characters, especially the last. Good luck! From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com Thu Jan 6 15:38:35 2005 From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:38:35 EST Subject: HP withdrawal remedies - Becca Message-ID: <55.6a091c61.2f0eb57b@aol.com> Hi Becca, I recently told a friend I thought I needed Harry Potter Anonymous. :) As you are a grad student in clinical psychology, I thought you could appreciate that. LOL Would you believe I'm currently re-reading Sorcecers Stone? It's been a couple years since I re-read it last, so I don't feel too guilty. :) Ok ... other books: My Mom got me into two Grisham books recently, the first being "The Testament", and the second being "Skipping Christmas". If you haven't read SK it's laugh-out-loud funny (better than the movie). And, Testament will hold your attention and has some great humor too. The male lead in the story has been in rehab several times ... maybe you could refer to it in your dissertation. LOL Anyway ... those are two different ideas for you. I don't normally like things written in a 'male voice' but Grisham is good. Happy Reading!! Elizabeth (aka, Luna) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sherriola at earthlink.net Thu Jan 6 16:03:59 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:03:59 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "...full blown obsession..."? In-Reply-To: <1104993663.ADCF6F9@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <004401c4f409$55fb92d0$0400a8c0@pensive> I highly recommend some HP fan fiction, if you haven't read any. I only started reading it a couple months ago, and I'm thoroughly hooked. If you like fantasy in general, I suggest the Song of Ice and Fire series by George R R Martin. These are not in any way kids books, but they are great fantasies with complex characters. In fact, one thing I like about them, that I also like about Harry Potter is that the characters are complex and most of them aren't clearly defined good or bad. There can be characters who are the "good guys" doing the most terrible things, but then you turn around, and there are despicable bad guys doing incredibly good things. I like it a lot. It's projected to be a six part series, with the fourth coming out around the same time as HBP. The first three books are: A GAME OF THRONES A CLASH OF KINGS A STORM OF SWORDS Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Heidi Tandy [mailto:heidi at heidi8.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:41 PM To: Ot Chatter Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "...full blown obsession..."? On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:44pm, beccalu329 wrote: > To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? Well, have you tried any Harry Potter fanfic? There's a number of novel-length fics written by & for grownups, like Paradigm of Uncertainty, the Draco trilogy, the Stealing Harry series, etc, and shorter fics as well (http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Lori, http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Cassandra_Claire and http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Samvimes respectively). Other hp fans through the years have enjoyed novels like Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next series and Neil Gaiman/Terry Pratchett's Good Omens series is having another resurgence of popularity. Just some starts. Heidi ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From zulyblue at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 16:04:36 2005 From: zulyblue at yahoo.com (zulyblue) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:04:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP withdrawal -Strange and Norrell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050106160436.27359.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com> Speaking of HP withdrawal, has anyone read Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell? I've heard it described as the new Harry Potter for adults so of course I had to give it a try. Just finished it last night and it was quite a good read especially if you are looking for a nice long book to occupy your time for a while. I enjoyed it and had a hard time putting it down, but I'm hopeless at reviewing books. Anyone have any thoughts on the topic? I'm curious to hear if other HP fans enjoyed it. Sarah --- beccalu329 wrote: > > To prevent the development of a full blown obsession > brought on by > rereading the series over and over again (I'm > currently a graduate > student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think > that was a good > idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for > novels to read > until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From tahewitt at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 17:26:03 2005 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: <1105023299.7584.17786.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20050106172618.70848.qmail@web51703.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not so much into the fantasy genre of fiction (HP is about it, really), but if you want to 'immediately get absorbed in the story and characters', I would reccomend anything written by John Irving. He's a great writer, and knows how to tell an engaging story like no one else I can think of. It's an oldie, but The World According to Garp is one of his best and a wonderful, amazing book. t will suck you in from the first sentence, I promise! Charles Dickens also has a way absorbing the reader in the story. Now might be a good time to read some classic literature. Tyler __________________________ Becca Wrote: To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? I think that what I loved most about HP is that you immediately get absorbed in the story and characters. I'm looking for something written in a style like Rowling's - she expertly creates a captivating world for readers without using a verbose and overly metaphorical style that sometimes convolutes the story. So far, everything I pick up just doesn't do it for me! I am usually an avid Stephen King reader, but lately I've wanted a change from scary, sci-fi thrillers and now prefer a "feel-good" book like HP. I love the magical world of wizards and spells and young characters in HP and wish to find something else like it:) The problem is that now I'm finding it hard to find a book for adults that is written as purely and brilliantly as HP. Please help! Becca :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kempermentor at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 21:52:09 2005 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:52:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050106215209.37013.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com> Finding books written as purely or brilliantly as HP doesn't really happen. Eragon is a bore, though the author has potential. He wrote/published the book when he was 19, so I'm going to give his second book a try. I only read the first in the series of Unfortunate Events. It was lame, a word here that means an unoriginal short-story, made long by tedious words. I realize you haven't asked for a list of horrible stories, but for some reason people have enjoyed these. There is more on the list, but I'll stop. Have you thought of reading Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass? Or any in the Oz series? The Princess Bride is a great read, and it's funnier than the movie. Another story that is way funnier than the movie and, truly, a different story altogether is Forrest Gump. The first one. In the second one, the author deconstructs Forrest Gump. I think because he was shafted regarding the movie. Regardless, it's much less funny. I also agree with the person who suggested the Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett collaboration, Good Omens. There are some young characters in this book as well as angels and demons, seers, and the four horsemen. It's brilliant. Gaiman has written three or so children's books. Coraline is my favorite. It's a bit haunting, but in a creepy, good way. Pratchett's has a billion books out in his Disc World series. I tried to get into one of them, but it didn't stick. Youth in Revolt is on my funny list as well, but it may be hard to find. Also, you will need a dictionary to read it. Seriously. I'm probably close to one standard deviation to the right of the bell curve when it comes to smarts. I know two others who are approach the second deviation, and they needed dictionaries. Sure not as often as I, but still... Also, it's youth(14-ish) focused though written for adults. The Hitchhicker's Guide to the Universe is excellent British humour and fun sci-fi. I don't recall any youth, and there is no Earth. And finally, Nancy A. Collins' Midnight Blue, A Dozen Black Roses, Darkest Heart, Dead Man's Hand. The first three are about Sonja Blue, kick-ass vampire (way better than Blade). It is hard to explain. Obviously, there are books here that didn't answer what was asked, but these are the books that I've read more than once. And most give me a fix when I'm going through HP withdrawals. beccalu329 wrote: To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? I think that what I loved most about HP is that you immediately get absorbed in the story and characters. I'm looking for something written in a style like Rowling's - she expertly creates a captivating world for readers without using a verbose and overly metaphorical style that sometimes convolutes the story. So far, everything I pick up just doesn't do it for me! I am usually an avid Stephen King reader, but lately I've wanted a change from scary, sci-fi thrillers and now prefer a "feel-good" book like HP. I love the magical world of wizards and spells and young characters in HP and wish to find something else like it:) The problem is that now I'm finding it hard to find a book for adults that is written as purely and brilliantly as HP. Please help! Becca :) ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! ? Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Jan 6 22:53:08 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:53:08 -0000 Subject: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: <20050106172618.70848.qmail@web51703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tyler: > I would reccomend anything written by John Irving. He's a > great writer, and knows how to tell an engaging story > like no one else I can think of. It's an oldie, but > The World According to Garp is one of his best and a > wonderful, amazing book. Also "A Prayer for Owen Meany" by Irving. As for children's books, I was disappointed by "A Series of Unfortunate Events" just like kemper mentor. On the main list somebody mentioned two books by author T.H. White, which are in the same genre as HP, "The Sword in the Stone" and the "Once and Future King." I've also wanted to read "The Little White Horse" by Elizabeth Goudge, which was JKR's favorite book as a girl. Truthfully, I don't expect to find another children's series that lives up to HP. Not that there aren't other great books out there, but HP appeared at a certain time in my life and means something to me which can't be duplicated. As for adult books, I'm never disappointed by a trio of women authors: Barbara Kingsolver, Lynne Sharon Schwartz and Sarah Bird. Pure escapism? Check out the "Shopaholic" series by Sophie Kinsella. Especially if you feel like you have spending problems ;). Jen From saitaina at frontiernet.net Fri Jan 7 02:29:48 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:29:48 -0800 Subject: Root Canal Play-by-play Message-ID: <00bf01c4f460$c4742400$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Due to the excessive use of bad words, I have posted my root canal update to my LJ and given you a handy link. Comments are welcome. Please remember the post is rated R (I have warned you). http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina/73270.html Enjoy! Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Fri Jan 7 05:13:33 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:13:33 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E150153BB8F@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: [Dumbledad wrote]: | [Lee]: | >>> A good series of books is Diane Duane's "Young Wizard" series. The | first is, "So You Wanna Be A Wizard?" <<< [Dumbledad}: | Christina Moore's reading of this is fantastic. Amazon don't have it in | stock, but I picked the cassettes up from my (then) local library in | Sammamish. [Lee]: Yes, indeed! She is absolutely phenominal and makes all the--uh--unusual words sound so easy. She really gets into character and situation...and accent. :-) Cheers, Lee (Who's gonna sign out tomorrow because I will probably be hitting the road come Saturday or Sunday...Much to do! Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me; | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From redina at silverbloom.net Fri Jan 7 05:35:20 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:35:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Draco Trilogy "Summarized" Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] '...full blown obsession...'? In-Reply-To: <1104993663.ADCF6F9@s29.dngr.org> References: <1104993663.ADCF6F9@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <2072.4.47.27.202.1105076120.squirrel@4.47.27.202> Heidi Tandy said: > Well, have you tried any Harry Potter fanfic? There's a number of > novel-length fics written by & for grownups, like Paradigm of > Uncertainty, the Draco trilogy, the Stealing Harry series, etc, and I haven't read the "Draco Trilogy" but there are some amusing summaries by starrysummer via gehayi. Draco Dormiens, Chapters 1 and 2 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/20583.html Draco Dormiens, Chapters 3 and 4 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/21576.html Draco Dormiens, Chapters 5 and 6 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/23541.html Draco Dormiens, Chapters 7 and 8 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/24070.html Draco Dormiens, Chapters 9, 10 and 11 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/26313.html Draco Sinister, Chapters 1 and 2 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/28186.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 3 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/30147.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 4 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/33306.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 5 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/36765.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 6 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/36958.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 7 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/48816.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 8 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/51607.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 9 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/66777.html Draco Sinister, Chapter 10 Summarised: http://www.livejournal.com/users/starrysummer/85930.html For those like me into Cliff Notes or whatever. Dina From punkieshazam at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 08:20:24 2005 From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:20:24 -0000 Subject: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Boy! you guys read a lot of the same things I do. I hereby second: Garp My favorite of Irvings Susanna Clarke Jonathon Strange and Mr Norell. I'm about to reread it. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxay trilogy which is actually four books. Good Omens Also anything by Neal Gaiman My favorite is American Gods. Like Kemper Mentor, I can't get into Pratchette, but I keep trying. Barbara Kingsolver especially The Bean Trees James Hilton Random Harvest The book I read last year that I liked the most was Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood. She is my favorite author. My friends haven't been able to get through it because the subject matter is difficult-- genetic engineering and child pornography. One reviewer said that she was writing science fiction again, but I just regard it as a cautionary tale. Well, I'm going to bed with J Strange and Mr. Norell. Punkie Petunia is a witch in denial! From cquinn at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 7 14:03:38 2005 From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:03:38 -0000 Subject: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "beccalu329" wrote: > > > To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by > rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate > student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good > idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read > until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? I highly recommend "The Sparrow," by Mary Doria Russell. It is about a group of Jesuit Priests and Missionaries who travel to another planet to make contact with other beings. The descriptions of the planet and its environment and *people* is nothing short of original. It takes a few chapters to get into, but is well worth it, and very well-written. There are also a few parts that are difficult to read because of the situation, but again, well worth it. I am currently reading the sequel, "Children of God." This one is a little bit more difficult to read (dealing with alien language and dialect), but I love it so far. I also read for the first time in my life, "Watership Down," a classic about the life of a group of wild rabbits. What can I say about that book, except that it immediately flew to the top of my all-time favorites. I didn't want the book to end and had to take a break from reading for awhile afterward because I didn't want to lose the *feeling* that the book gave me. I love it! Finally, "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime" was awesome. It is a short, quick read from the perspective of an autistic boy. Oh, and "The Life of Pi." I could go on and on...so I should stop. Sorry, I know none of these fit the *wizard* genre, but I like to diversify, and I'm afraid nothing else could compare to HP. 2 beagles From Erthena at aol.com Sat Jan 8 00:34:43 2005 From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:34:43 -0000 Subject: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Becca asked: > To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by > rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate > student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good > idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read > until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? I wouldn't dream of preventing a full blown obsession from forming but because you asked so nicely: I'd first like to second The Princess Bride, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Aubrey/Maturin Novels, and Lloyd Alexander, all of which I've really enjoyed. Also I am a huge children's Literature Fan (and I'm still young enough to get away with going into the kids section at bookstores) So I'd like to recommend anything by Gail Carson Levine, but especially Ella Enchanted. I enjoy The Series of Unfortunate Events, but recommend reading the second book first, it moves much better. Although I know from personal experience that reading five books in three days will make them seem very repetitive. Then I also enjoyed The Artemis Fowl books and another by the same author called The Wish List. Besides that I have a new hobby of reading some of those pesky classics everyone thinks is so impressive and my favorites by far are Jane Eyre and Pride and Prejudice. I've gone on for awhile so that'll be enough for now. Don't let the muggles get you down! ~~loony From beccalu329 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 8 05:22:36 2005 From: beccalu329 at yahoo.com (beccalu329) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:22:36 -0000 Subject: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "werebearloony" wrote: > > > > > I wouldn't dream of preventing a full blown obsession from forming but because you asked so nicely: > I'd first like to second The Princess Bride, Hitchhiker's Guide to > the Galaxy, Aubrey/Maturin Novels, and Lloyd Alexander, all of which I've really enjoyed. > Thanks so much to everyone for all your help! I spent most of the day at Barnes and Noble looking into everything that was suggested, and I think I'll really enjoy these books :) Of course, I don't think anything will quite live up to Harry at the moment...I'll just have to make a conscious effort not to compare everything I read to it! Becca From sherriola at earthlink.net Sat Jan 8 15:07:02 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:07:02 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c4f593$b5f582a0$0400a8c0@pensive> If you like children's literature and want a break from magic in your fantasy, try the Princess Diaries series. They are hilarious! They are not anything like Cinderella stories. There are five or six in the series right now. They are told from the point of view of the 14 year old, who has just discovered she is a princess to some far off country. She's a normal teenage girl in New York City and is not happy to have her life disrupted with this whole thing. The move was good, but nowhere near as funny and refreshing s the books are. give them a try, if you want something to make you laugh. I am in my 40's, and I don't enjoy princess stories anymore, so that might be a help in knowing how much I truly enjoy the series. Yes, I still enjoy kids books too. I suppose I'd be considered too old to buy hem, but I don't care. And I do most of my book buying these days from audible.com, so only the computer here and the servers at audible see what read. Whew, good thing too, with my crazy variety of book buying! I almost forgot. The Princess Diaries are by Meg Cabbott. Excellent fun reads. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: werebearloony [mailto:Erthena at aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:35 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP withdrawal remedies > Becca asked: > To prevent the development of a full blown obsession brought on by > rereading the series over and over again (I'm currently a graduate > student in clinical psychology, so I didn't think that was a good > idea!), does anyone have any recommendations for novels to read > until the greatly anticipated date of July 16th? I wouldn't dream of preventing a full blown obsession from forming but because you asked so nicely: I'd first like to second The Princess Bride, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Aubrey/Maturin Novels, and Lloyd Alexander, all of which I've really enjoyed. Also I am a huge children's Literature Fan (and I'm still young enough to get away with going into the kids section at bookstores) So I'd like to recommend anything by Gail Carson Levine, but especially Ella Enchanted. I enjoy The Series of Unfortunate Events, but recommend reading the second book first, it moves much better. Although I know from personal experience that reading five books in three days will make them seem very repetitive. Then I also enjoyed The Artemis Fowl books and another by the same author called The Wish List. Besides that I have a new hobby of reading some of those pesky classics everyone thinks is so impressive and my favorites by far are Jane Eyre and Pride and Prejudice. I've gone on for awhile so that'll be enough for now. Don't let the muggles get you down! ~~loony ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From catlady at wicca.net Sat Jan 8 22:19:27 2005 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:19:27 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site (+Changes)/Belinda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Belinda" wrote: > As for the ads, I think they're wonderful! So clever and totally > Jo's sense of humor! > Some of the things that caught my attention: > Dragons give milk??? (recipes for Dragon milk cheeses) I questioned that, too. As for the ad for Muggle Repelling Doorbell: << Tired of muggle neighbors walking in when you've got a Potion on the Boil? Weary of the Scramble to Hide Broomsticks when the Doorbell rings? Try our Muggle-Deterring-Gate! One touch of a non-magical finger and our gate emits the Muggle- repelling alarm of your choice! Choose between: ghostly wail of woe, sinister cackle of laughter or eerie scream of pain! This product is not Ministry of Magic Approved. >> I can see WHY the Ministry wouldn't approve "ghostly wails of woe, sinister cackles of laughter, and eerie screams of pain". They try to keep wizarddom secret from Muggles and surely also non-frightening to Muggles -- rumors *will* get around, and surely rumors that make the wizarding folk sound cute and harmless are less likely to attract mobs of peasants with torches (to refer to the old monster movie cliche) than scary rumors. Sound effects that lead to rumors about Satanic sacrifices, cannibalistic serial killers, and other very bad things that are reported in newspapers to have happened in Muggle RL are more likely to lead to law enforcement or vigilantes bashing into the house to find out what's going on. Personally, I'd prefer the Muggle-repelling sound effect to be, y'know, *happy* moans and screams -- sexual sound effects that the Muggles would be too kind and polite to disturb. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 03:57:32 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:57:32 -0000 Subject: Snape's birthday Message-ID: Has anyone noticed that January 9 is Snape's birthday? JKR is wishing him a happy birthday on her site. Anyone besides me take that as a sign that he's a good guy? Carol, a bit confused because it's still January 8 here in Arizona but my JKR site calendar has read 01/09/05 all day From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 9 04:07:31 2005 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:07:31 -0000 Subject: The Invisible Library Message-ID: This is a rather interesting website, a listing of books that only exist in the pages of other books. JKR is well-represented. http://www.invisiblelibrary.com/ILMaindesk.htm - CMC From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 04:23:42 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:23:42 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site Quibbler Ad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: stbjohn2 wrote: > > > Has anyone noticed what the Quibbler ad says???????? It announces that: "Fudge forced to flee" with the second line "Minister of Magic chased from office" - I wonder if that means anything? Possible portents of things to come! > > Sandy responded: > the ads change, not sure of everything in the cycle, but it includes > (doing this from memory, so somethings may just be the general > concept, not the actual ad) Fudge chased from office, the muggle- > detecting gate hinges or door knockers or whatever; "Charm your > Cheese book", Madam Malkins selling robes for the large-size wizard, > and a concert by what's her name...Celstina Warbuck? > As far as I know, those are the same ads that have been on the site > since it opened in May. Carol notes: Sandy's right. The same ads have been up since May. One of the LOONS mentioned the Fudge ad in a post back in May: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/22273 JKR herself says somewhere, either in the Rumours or the FAQ, that Fudge *will* be replaced as Minister for Magic in HBP. There was quite a discussion about the Quibbler ad on the main site, especially among the ESE!Fudge advocates, back in May. Carol, still celebrating Sevvie's birthday and wondering if the calendar on JKR's site has suddenly changed from her time (MST) to British time From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 9 05:02:14 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 9 Jan 2005 05:02:14 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1105246934.24.8889.m3@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 9, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 08:10:18 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:10:18 -0000 Subject: The Invisible Library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" wrote: > > This is a rather interesting website, a listing of books that only > exist in the pages of other books. JKR is well-represented. > > > http://www.invisiblelibrary.com/ILMaindesk.htm > > > - CMC It doesn't appear to have anything from OoP yet, have you emailed them? Annemehr From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sun Jan 9 15:12:27 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:12:27 -0000 Subject: JKR's Site (+Changes)/Belinda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catlady wrote: > Personally, I'd prefer the Muggle-repelling sound effect to be, > y'know, *happy* moans and screams -- sexual sound effects that the > Muggles would be too kind and polite to disturb. Rita, I find your faith in Muggle behaviour around those sort of sounds very touching. David From plungy116 at aol.com Sun Jan 9 15:20:11 2005 From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:20:11 -0000 Subject: Root Canal/JK Decorations/Jonathan Strange and... In-Reply-To: <00bf01c4f460$c4742400$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" wrote: > Due to the excessive use of bad words, > I have posted my root canal update to > my LJ and given you a handy link. > Comments are welcome. Please remember > the post is rated R (I have warned > you). Not quite as R (? is this like cert 18?) rated as I expected, but probably best not posted on the list. Hope you feel better soon and do not have a killer hangover from all the drugs!!! As for the JK site, I have noted that it's Snape's birthday today - but why does she still have all her Christmas decorations up? Its incredibly bad luck after twelfth night... Happy Birthday Severus...do we think he would actually celebrate his birthday - he strikes me as the kind of man who would chose to ignore it and certainly not draw attention to it. I never really thought of him as having birthdays - just existing... Sarah ...About to tackle Jonathan Strange...Jeez its a big book, and I'm not a great reader, it better be good, I've got it on your recommendations. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 9 16:02:07 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 9 Jan 2005 16:02:07 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1105286527.487.88133.m16@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 9, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 16:22:15 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:22:15 -0000 Subject: Root Canal/JK Decorations/Jonathan Strange and... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" wrote: > but why does she still have all her Christmas decorations up? Its > incredibly bad luck after twelfth night... They've been down for a few days. You're just seeing a cached version of the page. Annemehr From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sun Jan 9 16:51:32 2005 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:51:32 -0000 Subject: Chat can be entered without Java support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "bohcoo" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "kizor0" wrote: > > > > Most of the time I spend my Sunday nights on computers > > that I can't install Java on, and thus can't access > > chat. I've heard a couple of offhand comments about > > other ways of getting to the weekly chat than the > > button on the left, do all of them use the same kind of > > applet? > > > > Bohcoo adds: > I am so glad you brought this question up. I, too, cannot > visit the chat any longer -- after I had to replace my > hard drive. My new hard drive says that Java is enabled, > but, try as I might, through every avenue available to > enter the Sunday chat, I can't. I'm sorry you are having > trouble too, but somewhat relieved to hear I am not the > only one having a problem. I sure hope there is someone > in the group who can help us. I've missed you guys! The chatroom on the group homepage isn't always entirely functional, in my experience. Going via the page chat.yahoo.com, logging in with your Yahoo-identity, and then typing /join HP:1 will work better, though there is a certain tendency to be automatically logged out of chat after a while. With older versions of Yahoo!Messenger it is/was possible to join chats, though that possibility seems to be gone in the most recent version. A last possibility is to use third-party chat clients. For years, the preferred chat-client was CheetaChat, but sadly, updates to it stopped one or two years ago. Currently it seems a bit up in the air whether it will be upgraded or abandoned forever by its developer. Moderators should see this as a sign to remove CheetaChat from the HPfGU FAQ, btw. Shortly before Christmas I downloaded another chatclient, called YahElite. So far I've only used it in one chat, but it worked well, and I wasn't booted from chat once (though I was in it for probably six hours). It is less streamlined than CheetaChat was, and doesn't include graphical avatars or multiline ASCII emotes (but then, many would consider that to be a very positive feature, rather than a lack). It's programmed in C, and doesn't require Java. It will run on Windows (from Win95 and more modern), and Linux if you have WINE. Logging on is fast, and it will remember the rooms that you have specified that you want to start in. It includes options for automatic logging of transcripts, as well as saving transcripts in various formats. It's a small installation, and as far as I could determine doesn't use much system-resources (2MB RAM typically is the claim of the website - I haven't measured, myself). I have not yet examined whether it has voice-reader built-in. The one disadvantage I've encountered so far is that the most recommended protocol for accessing chat causes Yahoo!Messenger to log off, if you're using the same ID as in Yahoo!Messenger. The webpage for YahElite is: http://yahelite.org/deep/files/yahelite/ The install-file can be found at: http://yahelite.org/deep/files/yahelite/_download.shtml They also have a simplified version called YAHAY, which is supposed to be "So Simple even grandma can use it". There are other chat clients out there, as well - use Google, for instance, and search for: yahoo chat clients or similar search-terms. Best regards Christian Stub? Who just read all the digests from December 20th to now in one go. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 17:55:39 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:55:39 -0000 Subject: Snape's birthday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > > Has anyone noticed that January 9 is Snape's birthday? JKR is wishing > him a happy birthday on her site. Anyone besides me take that as a > sign that he's a good guy? > > Carol, a bit confused because it's still January 8 here in Arizona but > my JKR site calendar has read 01/09/05 all day Carol again: The birthday wish is up on the site again today. So I guess she's straightened out her calendar confusion--and Sevvie gets two days worth of birthday wishes! Carol From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 18:16:05 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 18:16:05 -0000 Subject: JK Decorations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sarah wrote: > > > but why does she still have all her Christmas decorations up? Its > incredibly bad luck after twelfth night... > Annemehr responded: > They've been down for a few days. You're just seeing a cached version > of the page. Carol adds: Yes. She took them down on Epiphany (January 6) like a good Anglican--only she's Church of Scotland (Presbyterian), so I'm confused. Or do Presbyterians celebrate the same Church seasons as Anglicans, Episcopalians, and Catholics? (I notice, though, that she left her Advent calendar up after Advent.) Carol, with apologies for her ignorance on this topic and hoping that someone will help her out From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 18:25:18 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 18:25:18 -0000 Subject: Snape's birthday (Was: Root Canal/JK Decorations/Jonathan Strange and...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sarah wrote: > > As for the JK site, I have noted that it's Snape's birthday today - > > Happy Birthday Severus...do we think he would actually celebrate his > birthday - he strikes me as the kind of man who would chose to ignore > it and certainly not draw attention to it. I never really thought of > him as having birthdays - just existing... Carol responds: I've always assumed that he was born in winter (because he likes cold and dark colors and because of the, erm, Dark side of his personality), and I started watching for his birthday on JKR's site in November. As I said in another post, I hope it's significant that she wished him a happy birthday. (He must really be a good guy, or on the side of the good guys, right?) In fact, thanks to the glitch in her calendar, he got two days of birthday wishes! I'm sure you're right that he doesn't celebrate his own birthday though I would hope that his mother sent him presents when he was a student at Hogwarts. (That cruel father of his certainly didn't.) But maybe with Voldemort gone, his birthdays are happier now. Carol, noting that if Severus was born in 1960, he's 45 today From kempermentor at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 18:33:01 2005 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:33:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snape's birthday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050109183301.98516.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com> justcarol67 wrote: Has anyone noticed that January 9 is Snape's birthday? JKR is wishing him a happy birthday on her site. Anyone besides me take that as a sign that he's a good guy? Kemper now: When I first read this it had me wondering if January 9 was a Holy Day, so I googled and learned nothing. Then I googled the date and British History... nothing. Then I re-read the email and realized you meant he was a good guy because we haven't seen anything like "October 3: Happy Birthday Bellatrix!" I felt -tupid. I don't know about 'good guy' but definitely on the side of good, mostly. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! ? Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kempermentor at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 18:41:57 2005 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:41:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snape's birthday (Was: Root Canal/JK Decorations/Jonathan Strange and...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050109184157.71442.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com> Sarah wrote: Happy Birthday Severus...do we think he would actually celebrate his birthday - he strikes me as the kind of man who would chose to ignore it and certainly not draw attention to it. I never really thought of him as having birthdays - just existing... Carol responded: I'm sure you're right that he doesn't celebrate his own birthday though I would hope that his mother sent him presents when he was a student at Hogwarts. (That cruel father of his certainly didn't.) But maybe with Voldemort gone, his birthdays are happier now. Kemper now: I agree about Snape not celebrating his birthday and attempting to keep it on the down/low, but I don't see DD allowing Snape to sulk on his birthday. But, Carol, what did you mean "with Voldemort gone... happier now"? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Jan 9 19:52:40 2005 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (lee_storm) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:52:40 -0000 Subject: The Invisible Library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > It doesn't appear to have anything from OoP yet, have you emailed them? [Lee]: I just did, as a matter of fact, with a couple of corrections as well as all the defense books I could find from OOTP and "Standard Book Of Spells, Grade 5." I may have missed some, but got a lot to him. Hope he takes the list and uses it! :-) And, why am I still here? Because we didn't get out on Sunday as I thought we would. Hopefully, we'll be on the road tomorrow. :-) I'm posting this from the web, so I hope it goes through properly. Cheers, Lee :-) (Who can't plug in her sig this way...WAAAH!) From swartell at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 19:54:03 2005 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:54:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP withdrawal remedies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050109195403.98978.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com> --- beccalu329 wrote: asked for suggestions of good character-driven fiction to tide her over while waiting for HBP. Lois MacMaster Bujold has 2 series which are marvelous. The older, longer one is about Miles Vorkosigan (and his parents, and his world). The series begins with 2 books about Cordelia Naismith and Aral Vorkosigan, then moves on to focus on Miles. Miles is manic and mesmerizing and engaging... He is also a physically deformed person on a world where "mutants" are regarded with horror and loathing. The synopsis sounds grim, and it took me a while to actually pick these books up, but I love them now. The books vary wildly in tone, from relatively straight-forward space adventure, to mystery, to romance; some are rather dark, but all are leavened with humor. (e.g., synopsis of one book "Miles hits 30, 30 hits back") Cordelia has a bunch of wonderful observations - one of my favorites is "Check your assumptions. In fact, check your assumptions at the door." (or words to that effect) This is good advice for anyone reading these books. The newer series is a fantasy series - there are only 2 boks out now, but the third is due this summer. The characters are wonderful, though much more loosely linked than those in the first series. The world they inhabit has 5 gods who interact with the people in strange and subtle ways. The first book is _The Curse of Chalion_ and the second is _Paladin of Souls_; the upcoming 3rd is _The Hallowed Hunt_ I very strongly recommend any of Lois' books to someone looking for character-driven fiction and a good story. Sue __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 20:05:09 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:05:09 -0000 Subject: JK Decorations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > > Sarah wrote: > > > > > but why does she still have all her Christmas decorations up? Its > > incredibly bad luck after twelfth night... > > > Annemehr responded: > > They've been down for a few days. You're just seeing a cached version > > of the page. > > Carol adds: > Yes. She took them down on Epiphany (January 6) like a good > Anglican--only she's Church of Scotland (Presbyterian), so I'm > confused. Or do Presbyterians celebrate the same Church seasons as > Anglicans, Episcopalians, and Catholics? (I notice, though, that she > left her Advent calendar up after Advent.) > > Carol, with apologies for her ignorance on this topic and hoping that > someone will help her out Annemehr again: I think Epiphany's Epiphany, and the end of the Christmas season, to everyone who pays attention to that. It is for Catholics, anyway, except in my experience most *don't* pay that much attention. They tend to put their decorations up very shortly after Thanksgiving (last Thurs. in Nov. in the US), and then clear them all away as early as Dec. 26. Either that, or leave them up nearly to Valentine's Day. The more Evangelical or independent churches may be different; some of them don't do Christmas at all (though I think there are very few of those). Just been to (Catholic) church today, and now that you mention it, they still had *all* the decorations up! Somebody's asleep at the switch... Annemehr From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 9 20:42:34 2005 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:42:34 -0000 Subject: Blogwarts Message-ID: Radio Blogger offers 325 photoshop entries prmoting Hugh Hewitt's new book titled Blog http://www.radioblogger.com/archives/whereintheblog.html Readers of this site will especially enjoy entry #286. - CMC From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 22:57:47 2005 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:57:47 -0000 Subject: birthdays Message-ID: Hi everyone I've been away for 3 weeks so can anyone please tell me if JKR has posted any new birthdays (Besides Snape's)? Thanks Juli From bhobbs36 at verizon.net Mon Jan 10 00:15:29 2005 From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:15:29 -0000 Subject: birthdays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" wrote: > > Hi everyone > > I've been away for 3 weeks so can anyone please tell me if JKR has > posted any new birthdays (Besides Snape's)? > > Thanks > > Juli Nope Juli, no others since Charlie's on Dec12th. Here's a link to the Lexicon's guide to Jo's site: http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html and a link to On JKR's Desk at FA: http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php? s=5ce44ec08aef2a423fb77a45a1f7c872&threadid=74108 where I post all the updates. Belinda From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 03:08:58 2005 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:08:58 -0000 Subject: Snape's birthday (Was: Root Canal/JK Decorations/Jonathan Strange and...) In-Reply-To: <20050109184157.71442.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kemper now: I agree about Snape not celebrating his birthday and attempting to keep it on the down/low, but I don't see DD allowing Snape to sulk on his birthday. But, Carol, what did you mean "with Voldemort gone... happier now"? Alla: Yes, I want to know about that too. Do confess Carol, do you know something that we ALL would love to know? :o) Gone... When? How? Tell us the whole story, please. :o) Alla From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 13:18:10 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:18:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Snape's birthday Message-ID: <20050110131810.96445.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> 10Jan05 Carol wrote: ADVERTISEMENT > Has anyone noticed that January 9 is Snape's birthday? JKR is wishing > him a happy birthday on her site. Anyone besides me take that as a > sign that he's a good guy?... > Paula now: Maybe Snape is a good guy, I have a strong hunch that he probably is. But think that JKR was probably just trying to tell us that Snape is a Capricorn-ie a hard nut to crack. By the way, I'm still having trouble getting into JKR's site. It seems to be frozen. Anyone else having this problem? ~Paula Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 13:30:55 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:30:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Harry Natal Chart Message-ID: <20050110133055.32331.qmail@web54506.mail.yahoo.com> 10Jan05 Hello again, Just did a little looking into Harry's Natal Chart--very interesting. I've had a pet theory all along tha JKR has probably used this as a hint to Harry's character/behaviour and things to come. For example, Harry's rising sign is Libra--diplomatic but vascillating,etc and Mars is also in Libra--aggression , seeking in seeking balance. His moon is in Pisces, the most psychic, sensitive moon possible. Anyone see any hints in all this. I'd be very interested to know. ~Paula Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? What will yours do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 17:47:18 2005 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:47:18 -0000 Subject: birthdays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Juli wrote: I've been away for 3 weeks so can anyone please tell me if JKR has posted any new birthdays (Besides Snape's)? Belinda replied: > Nope Juli, no others since Charlie's on Dec12th. > > Here's a link to the Lexicon's guide to Jo's site: > http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html > and a link to On JKR's Desk at FA: > http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php? > s=5ce44ec08aef2a423fb77a45a1f7c872&threadid=74108 > where I post all the updates. > Thanks a lot, I was afraid I had missed somethinh important, like Dumbledore's Birthday From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 20:17:03 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:17:03 -0000 Subject: Harry Natal Chart - Astrology Question In-Reply-To: <20050110133055.32331.qmail@web54506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon wrote: > 10Jan05 > > Hello again, > > Just did a little looking into Harry's Natal Chart--very interesting. I've had a pet theory all along tha JKR has probably used this as a hint to Harry's character/behaviour and things to come. For example, Harry's rising sign is Libra--diplomatic but vascillating,etc and Mars is also in Libra--aggression , seeking in seeking balance. His moon is in Pisces, the most psychic, sensitive moon possible. Anyone see any hints in all this. I'd be very interested to know. > > ~Paula Gaon bboyminn: I'm curious how critical time-of-day is in calculating a persons natal chart, and what time of day you assumed for Harry? Generally, if the time isn't known, 12:00 (noon) is chosen, how much error would a few hours one way or the other make? In addition, I think that since everything else happens to Harry just after midnight that he was probably born just after midnight on the morning of July 31. Just curious. Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn) From libtax10375 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 10 21:30:09 2005 From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:30:09 -0500 Subject: My clever son! Message-ID: <00d301c4f75b$906db510$294c56d1@leeannlaptop> I am truly sorry if this has been noted before. My 10 year old son and I were talking about the "meaning" of Dumbledore (bumble bee) and Voldemort (death). He said to me, "Mom, is that why DD didn't try to kill Vold. at the Ministry of Magic? Because you know after a bee stings, it dies!" Wow, I have been contemplating that on and off for a year or so, but never came to that conclusion. What a clever child! Leeann McCullough [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 00:07:09 2005 From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:07:09 -0000 Subject: Blogwarts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" wrote: > > Radio Blogger offers 325 photoshop entries prmoting Hugh Hewitt's new book titled Blog > > http://www.radioblogger.com/archives/whereintheblog.html > > Readers of this site will especially enjoy entry #286. > > - CMC *****\(@@)/***** I nearly split my sides laughing!!!!! Good site.... Dudemom_2000 *****\(@@)/***** From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 07:37:40 2005 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:37:40 -0000 Subject: Harry Natal Chart - Astrology Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > bboyminn: > > I'm curious how critical time-of-day is in calculating a persons natal chart, and what time of day you assumed for Harry? > > Generally, if the time isn't known, 12:00 (noon) is chosen, how much error would a few hours one way or the other make? > Valky: AFAIK, the planets generally take longer than a day to move significantly. What the time of day effects most greatly is the Ascendant sign, after that, I think, it can effect some aspects if the planets are on the cusp of houses and the like. A fairly informative natal chart can be drawn without the exact time, but some things need to be taken with a grain of salt. From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 07:43:36 2005 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:43:36 -0000 Subject: Harry Natal Chart In-Reply-To: <20050110133055.32331.qmail@web54506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Just did a little looking into Harry's Natal Chart--very interesting. I've had a pet theory all along tha JKR has probably used this as a hint to Harry's character/behaviour and things to come. For example, Harry's rising sign is Libra--diplomatic but vascillating,etc and Mars is also in Libra--aggression , seeking in seeking balance. His moon is in Pisces, the most psychic, sensitive moon possible. Anyone see any hints in all this. I'd be very interested to know. > > ~Paula Gaon Valky: The moon in a boys chart speaks about the relationship he has with his mother, right? With a Pisces moon there is a suggestion of a mystic link with the mother. Pisces is also the ruler of the twelfth house - the house of secrets and mysteries, so Harry's relationship with his mother is a great mystery. But we knew that didn't we. With a Libran Mars Harry is very very unlikely to kill Voldemort. What else did you find, Paula? Thanks for posting this. From apzdcmsw at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 11 07:40:03 2005 From: apzdcmsw at yahoo.ca (Matt) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:40:03 -0000 Subject: Snape's birthday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Carol wrote: > > Has anyone besides me wondered why the site says January 9 on > January > > 8? I've been celebrating Snape's birthday a day early! Until now > the > > site dates have corresponded with my computer's calendar. > > > > Carol, confused as usual and apologizing profusely to the List > > Elves > > Matt: Carol, if we are talking about JK Rowling's web site, it is likely based on UK time, which would mean anyone in North America (or Central or South America too!) would see the site saying January 9 in the mid afternoon and evening of January 8, because North American time is "behind" the UK time due to N.A. being west of the UK. Thus, the UK and the site reach January 9 before N.A. does! As a side point, a similar issue happens when the book release is embargoed to midnight UK time. Everyone east of the UK can't actually get there book until the UK hits midnight. Hope this helps! Matt S.W. From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 14:21:18 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:21:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Harry's Natal Chart Message-ID: <20050111142119.71131.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> Valky: The moon in a boys chart speaks about the relationship he has with his mother, right? With a Pisces moon there is a suggestion of a mystic link with the mother. Pisces is also the ruler of the twelfth house - the house of secrets and mysteries, so Harry's relationship with his mother is a great mystery. But we knew that didn't we. Paula now: The Moon is not just relationship with mother, rather a person's emotional life in addition to one's image of mother. A moon in Pisces is the most psychic possible. So, Harry's psychic/mystic abilities are beyond most of our conprehension. Valkey: With a Libran Mars Harry is very very unlikely to kill Voldemort. Paula again: I'm not so sure about that. But in reality JKR will decide this. Libra is the sign most concerned with justice and fairness. So with the Mars aggression, I could imagine Harry doing ole Voldy in. Valkey: What else did you find, Paula? Thanks for posting this. Paula: Thanks! It's good to know someone out there appreciates my esoteric interests. Let me check whare Uranus is in Harry's chart. That'll tell us a lot. By the way, I calculated Harry's birth time at 12 noon, Greenwich, ENG. Be right back with Uranus, ~Paula Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 14:37:48 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:37:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Harry's Natal Chart-Updates Message-ID: <20050111143748.56529.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> 11Jan05 OK, here's a little more on Harry's Natal Chart; this is getting really interesting! Uranus, the wildcard of the planets and wrecker of the status quo, is in Scorpio in Harry's chart. Many of those born during the years when Uranus was in Scorpio are apt to bring about massive and often disruptive changes. The seeds of revolution and instability may take root. In addition, Harry's Moon in Pisces opposes Saturn in Virgo. This is a sign of difficulty in experssing/acting on emotions. Intellectual function is also slowed. Also, Venus, ruler of love and beauty is opposed to Neptune, dreams, wishes, one's highest ideals. The opposition between Venus and Neptune shows emotions and affections are strongly influenced by unconscious forces. This aspect blurs aesthetic, social, romantic perceptions. The unconscious desires generate wishful thinking and a distorted perception of reality. Social relationships are apt to be somewhat undermined. Very interesting, hey? ~Paula Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? Get yours free! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 14:58:11 2005 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:58:11 -0000 Subject: Harry's Natal Chart-Updates In-Reply-To: <20050111143748.56529.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Paula Gaon wrote: > 11Jan05 > > OK, here's a little more on Harry's Natal Chart; this is getting really interesting! Paula Thanks for the update, can I make a request? I am really interested in Harry's career influences what planets are in the tenth house ? Going by his Libra ascendant that you posted earlier his tenth house is likely to be Virgo, hmmm JKR said he likes action too much for that, she must be misdirecting us, Virgo means he will likely work in service to others, and possibly in an educational institution..... Also one for all the SHIPpers out there, who is Harrys girl? Whats in his seventh, is it Mercury or Neptune, or Leo for all the H/G shippers still left after Miss Weasley built her bridge and got over him.... What do you say Paula will you do it? :D Valky From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 12 15:33:48 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:33:48 -0000 Subject: JK Decorations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol adds: > > Yes. She took them down on Epiphany (January 6) like a good > > Anglican--only she's Church of Scotland (Presbyterian), so I'm > > confused. Or do Presbyterians celebrate the same Church seasons as > > Anglicans, Episcopalians, and Catholics? (I notice, though, that > > she left her Advent calendar up after Advent.) Annemehr again: > I think Epiphany's Epiphany, and the end of the Christmas season, to > everyone who pays attention to that. It is for Catholics, anyway, > except in my experience most *don't* pay that much attention. They > tend to put their decorations up very shortly after Thanksgiving > (last Thurs. in Nov. in the US), and then clear them all away as > early as Dec. 26. Either that, or leave them up nearly to > Valentine's Day. > > The more Evangelical or independent churches may be different; some > of them don't do Christmas at all (though I think there are very > few of those). > > Just been to (Catholic) church today, and now that you mention it, > they still had *all* the decorations up! Somebody's asleep at the > switch... SSSusan: And this Episcopalian attended church on the 9th and the decorations were still up there. In fact, it's tradition for us to take the decorations down right after the church service on Epiphany Sunday. Makes sense to me. I think you're right, Anne, that Epiphany's just Epiphany in most people's minds, as in *one* day. OTOH, Epiphany is also a *season* in the Episcopal Church, running from the end of Christmas to Ash Wednesday. Siriusly Snapey Susan (who loved Annemehr's comment about Dec. 26 or Valentine's Day :-)) From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com Wed Jan 12 19:05:54 2005 From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:05:54 EST Subject: Harry's Natal Chart Message-ID: <141.3d1c2cd5.2f16cf12@aol.com> Paula Writes: > "The Moon is not just relationship with mother, rather a person's emotional > life in addition to one's image of mother." Yikes ... my moon is in Scorpio ... can't imagine what that means! And I'm an Aries to boot! I'm enjoying this thread a lot ... :) "Luna" --------------------- "... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic. I love Luna." J.K. Rowling Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004 (Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From snapesangel2002 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 12 18:52:47 2005 From: snapesangel2002 at yahoo.co.uk (laura) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:52:47 -0000 Subject: My clever son! In-Reply-To: <00d301c4f75b$906db510$294c56d1@leeannlaptop> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Leeann McCullough" wrote: > I am truly sorry if this has been noted before. My 10 year old son and I were talking about the "meaning" of Dumbledore (bumble bee) and Voldemort (death). He said to me, "Mom, is that why DD didn't try to kill Vold. at the Ministry of Magic? Because you know after a bee stings, it dies!" > Wow, I have been contemplating that on and off for a year or so, but never came to that conclusion. What a clever child! > > Leeann McCullough Wow! That is clever. I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned before. It's such a simple idea, and yet it's like we miss the obvious things in our search for the most complicated theories. It could very well be a link, I've always wondered why JK gave Dumbledore his name. I thought it could be linked to his animagus form, if he has one. Thanks for sharing! Laura* From Ali at zymurgy.org Wed Jan 12 22:59:10 2005 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:59:10 -0000 Subject: JK Decorations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Annemehr: >> I think Epiphany's Epiphany, and the end of the Christmas season, to everyone who pays attention to that. It is for Catholics, anyway, except in my experience most *don't* pay that much attention. They tend to put their decorations up very shortly after Thanksgiving (last Thurs. in Nov. in the US), and then clear them all away as early as Dec. 26. Either that, or leave them up nearly to Valentine's Day.>>> I wonder if this is a cultural thing, but most Brits I know will have taken their decorations down by January 6th regardless of what denomination they might be. I think we tend to put our decorations up later than people in the US might (although we are getting earlier each year) and will take them down in the days following New Year. I'm not sure how superstituous people are these days, but I can certainly recall being told by a number of different people that it was bad luck to have decorations up past Epiphany. JKR is just following social patterns here. Having said that, I did notice one or two Christmas trees up after the 6th this year, but that did seem unusual... Ali From gwhlevy at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 13 05:46:19 2005 From: gwhlevy at sbcglobal.net (Grant Levy) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:46:19 -0000 Subject: Authenic Hogwarts Robe Patterns? Message-ID: I'm looking for an authentic pattern for an adult Hogwarts' school robe. I'm not happy with the Butterick or Simplicity patterns that are currently available. I don't want to have to buy one of the robes I've seen for sale in the store (and online) and then have to rework it (the hood's not deep enough, for one thing). Anybody got any suggestions? Thanks, Grant Levy Costa Mesa, Orange County, CA From desiivy at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 06:18:39 2005 From: desiivy at yahoo.com (Ivy) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:18:39 -0000 Subject: A question? Message-ID: OK this is probably a very stupid question but, I am wondering if there is a difference between a secretary and a receptionist? I honestly don't know, since I have never been one or needed one. I was reading a fanfic and the author referred to each job as a different job.I just assumed they were the same thing. Are they? Thanks, ~Ivy~ From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 13 06:46:48 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:46:48 -0000 Subject: Authenic Hogwarts Robe Patterns? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, depending on how much you know about sewing, you could meld two or more of the available patterns, or modify one of them. Also, don't get locked into the specific "wizard" patterns; look at anything in the costumes (or regular clothes) that has the lines you want. If you need some help figuring it out, wmail me offlist--maybe I can decide how I want to make my robes (A slightly overweight housewife would look a bit funny in one of those cute pleated skirts they where in the movies, eh? I thought about the WW equivalent of a t-shirt--robes emblazoned with "Ravenclaw Alumni" or something; any ideas? Good luck Grant! imamommy --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Grant Levy" wrote: > > > I'm looking for an authentic pattern for an adult Hogwarts' school > robe. > > I'm not happy with the Butterick or Simplicity patterns that > are currently available. > > I don't want to have to buy one of the robes I've seen for sale > in the store (and online) and then have to rework it (the hood's not > deep enough, for one thing). > > Anybody got any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Grant Levy > Costa Mesa, > Orange County, CA From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 08:42:10 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:42:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Harry's Natal Chart-Update_ Message-ID: <20050113084210.86291.qmail@web54506.mail.yahoo.com> Valkey wrote: I am really interested in Harry's career influences what planets are in the tenth house ? ... Also one for all the SHIPpers out there, who is Harrys girl? Whats in his seventh, ... Paula now: The cusp of Harry's tenth house is Cancer, with sun in tenth house--it spills over into Leo. The Cancer influence on the tenth house shows deep feelings about the career and the general status in life. There is a restlessness causing many changes, or at least ups and downs, in professional life. It is important to feel responsible and respectable. Harry is acutely sensitive about reputation andstanding in environment. This placement often produces a career that in some sense caters to the public. He is likely to have a good feel on the pulse of public whims and desires. Sound familiar? As for the seventh house and romance. The cusp of the seventh house is Aries. Aries is ruled by Mars, so whoever he wants, he'll go after--including Ginny, if he so decides. A little aside. Remember the last scene in OoP--Ron's excitement over Uranus. I can't help but think this is a hint of things to come, hence the discussion of Uranus in last post. This thread is getting good, isn't it? ~Paual Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jan 13 10:44:44 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:44:44 -0000 Subject: Astrology question Message-ID: I have been following the birth chart thread with interest. The only trouble is, that judging by her treatment of Trelawney, JKR is not a great fan of astrology. As Paula pointed out in connection with Voldemort, the events in Harry's life are in JKR's gift. So, the question is, assuming for the moment that JKR has paid no attention to Harry's chart in developing the series, could the stars (well, really, the planets) have influenced her enough in constructing the story (without her knowing it) that understanding Harry's chart could be useful in analysing it? David From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jan 13 10:56:54 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:56:54 -0000 Subject: JK Decorations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ali wrote: > I wonder if this is a cultural thing, but most Brits I know will > have taken their decorations down by January 6th regardless of what > denomination they might be. I think we tend to put our decorations > up later than people in the US might (although we are getting > earlier each year) and will take them down in the days following New > Year. I was always taught as a child that Christmas very definitely comes to an end on January 6th. I'm not sure if this was an English or a Danish thing, or both. I will try to remember to ask my parents. The song, The Twelve Days of Christmas, of course celebrates the same timespan, and Shakespeare's play, Twelfth Night, in which everything is turned upside down, is named in tribute to the old tradition that the masters would (supposedly - one wonders how this could have worked in practice) serve the servants on that day. What it meant was that on Twelfth Night (ie 6/1) we'd light the tree for one last time (it would have been lit Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve and possibly one other evening) and let the candles burn right down: when the last candle went out, that was the end of Christmas. The decorations would therefore be taken down the following day. As we grew older, school doubtless interfered with this pattern, though I don't remember very well. David From miss_megan at bigpond.com Thu Jan 13 12:58:21 2005 From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:58:21 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question? receptionist and secretary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Ivy Secretary and receptionist are different jobs. A receptionist works in reception - that is where the public comes into your agency and is met, gret and forwarded to the most appropriate place. A secretary does other sorts of work, filing, dictation, typing, taking minutes, organising her (his) boss' life. Depending on how high up the boss is a secretary might be called a personal assistant and do other more important things. Usually a secretary will work for one person but a receptionist will be responsible to the office manager and will manage her (his) work pretty independently. You might also come across a secretary pool which is quite different. This is basically a number of dog's bodies who will be lent out to various sections when those places need assistance (say a big mail out). Back in the old days you might also have a typing pool who did ... typing. Very few companies don't make people do that sort of thing themselves. A secretary might do reception for her (his) area but in practical terms it is quite difficult to combine the jobs as they have different focuses; one the public, the other the boss. storm, who was once a receptionist and still quite competently answers the phone. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005 From bhobbs36 at verizon.net Thu Jan 13 13:04:23 2005 From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:04:23 -0000 Subject: Authenic Hogwarts Robe Patterns? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Grant, There's another yahoo group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MadameMalkins/?yguid=210261518 called Madam Malkins... dedicated to discussing all the costuming. There are some experienced folks here who have created and/or altered patterns. They are VERY helpful and eager to answer specific questions as someone is working on a project, if you want further advice. Good luck! Belinda From sherriola at earthlink.net Thu Jan 13 14:46:11 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:46:11 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c4f97e$a0555940$0400a8c0@pensive> nope. They are quite different. in fact, the term secretary is rarely used now and has been replaced by the term administrative assistant. A receptionist is the person who answers a company's phones, greets visitors/customers. They may do things like handle office mail, schedule meetings, order lunches, handle ordering of supplies that are for the entire office, keep the lobby area looking nice. They may do a little computer work, but their primary focus is to be the public impression for the company. A secretary usually works for a group of people inside the company. For instance, I was the administrative assistant at a nonprofit blindness agency, ad I worked for the director of public relations and fund raising. My duties did involve phones and visitors, but only as it related to our department. I had much more involved duties than the receptionist. Highly advanced computer skills, such as entering donor gifts into online databases, running reports in that data base, handling correspondence between my boss and donors or board members, arranging tours, mail merges, reconciling expenses for department members who went on trips for business, developing special events, assisting with our newsletter ... oh too many things to list here without getting boring. So, my job duties were dependent on the needs of the department I worked in. A secretary usually works for a person or group of people, focusing on the needs of that person and the group. I don't know if that made any sense. i've done both positions. Sometimes, you might be a combined receptionist/administrative assistant. That means you do the public impression stuff, but you also do a lot of work for others in the company, usually computer related and perhaps accounting. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Ivy [mailto:desiivy at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:19 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question? OK this is probably a very stupid question but, I am wondering if there is a difference between a secretary and a receptionist? I honestly don't know, since I have never been one or needed one. I was reading a fanfic and the author referred to each job as a different job.I just assumed they were the same thing. Are they? Thanks, ~Ivy~ ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From Charlie.Clare at RDFMedia.com Thu Jan 13 11:53:21 2005 From: Charlie.Clare at RDFMedia.com (Charlie Clare) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:53:21 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter sightseeing Message-ID: <96E3425018DEC042AEDF7F2D6F7EE8DD068B633A@yellin.rdfmedia.com> Dear All Has anyone ever gone around some of the locations for the Harry Potter Movies? I'm a TV researcher and I'm looking for families who have done Harry Potter tours in the UK. I know that such tours are very popular with Oversea visitors, but does anyone know of any British families who have done it? I suppose that lots of people are doing it all the time but just get in the car and go. If this is you or you know someone who had done this I would be very interested to talk to you more. I work for ITV holiday showdown and we will pay for any Harry Potter holidays that you would like to take. Kind regards Charlie Clare 020 7013 4526 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kcawte at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 13 18:29:47 2005 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:29:47 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question? receptionist and secretary References: Message-ID: <00ef01c4f99d$e77ce440$69206bd5@kathryn> Storm wrote - > Secretary and receptionist are different jobs. > > A receptionist works in reception - that is where the public comes into your > agency and is met, gret and forwarded to the most appropriate place. > > A secretary does other sorts of work, filing, dictation, typing, taking > minutes, organising her (his) boss' life. Depending on how high up the boss > is a secretary might be called a personal assistant and do other more > important things. > > > A secretary might do reception for her (his) area but in practical terms it > is quite difficult to combine the jobs as they have different focuses; one > the public, the other the boss. > > Those are really good definitions Storm. You wouldn't like to come and explain all that to my boss would you? He hired me as a receptionist (at minimum wage or as close to it to make no difference) but my actual job is receptionist *and* secretary *and* office manager. *grumble* Oh and now he's decided that I need to learn to handle our clients' (we're an Accountancy firm) VAT and PAYE needs to! (If I'd wanted to be an accountant, I'd have trained as one, or at least as a darn book-keeper). Oh and on the subject of a typing pool - I don't know about big companies but I know the Council in my area doesn't expect its people to type their stuff themselves. They give a brief version of the letter they want, complete with all relevant information, to their secretarial pool and get it typed, then they are responsible for checking it's correct. I believe the Inland Revenue works like that too - or at least I hope the completely mangled English I keep seeing is a result of some inexperienced kid rather than the intelligent and supposedly competent inspectors that I deal with. K *feeling disgruntled after dealing with the idiot boss all day* From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 18:46:30 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:46:30 -0000 Subject: Astrology question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" wrote: > > I have been following the birth chart thread with interest. > > The only trouble is, that judging by her treatment of Trelawney, JKR > is not a great fan of astrology. As Paula pointed out in connection > with Voldemort, the events in Harry's life are in JKR's gift. > > So, the question is, assuming for the moment that JKR has paid no > attention to Harry's chart in developing the series, could the stars > (well, really, the planets) have influenced her enough in > constructing the story (without her knowing it) that understanding > Harry's chart could be useful in analysing it? > > David Not to mention, JKR gave Harry her own birthday. Looking back through the thread, a lot of it seems to fit her, but some of it doesn't (as far as I can tell, not actually knowing her personally or anything). This charting is quite detailed. I can see JKR looking up astrology, as she did wand woods, when she was planning the series, but I can't imagine her taking it this far -- especially, since I agree with David, that she probably doesn't believe in it at all. I don't believe in astrology, but if it were true, I could see how Harry's birthday would turn out to match his chart fairly well. After all, JKR said there is quite a bit of herself in Harry. Then again, there is a lot of her in Hermione, too. Annemehr From udderpd at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 13 19:30:32 2005 From: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk (udder_pen_dragon) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:30:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Astrology question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050113193032.34687.qmail@web25305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dave wrote, I have been following the birth chart thread with interest. The only trouble is, that judging by her treatment of Trelawney, JKR is not a great fan of astrology. As Paula pointed out in connection with Voldemort, the events in Harry's life are in JKR's gift. So, the question is, assuming for the moment that JKR has paid no attention to Harry's chart in developing the series, could the stars (well, really, the planets) have influenced her enough in constructing the story (without her knowing it) that understanding Harry's chart could be useful in analysing it? UdderPD would like to add; Surely it is not possible to do an accurate Astrological chart for someone unless you have the place and time of their birth? We know the date of Harry's birth but not the time and we have absolutly no idea where he was born. He was living in Godric's Hollow when his parents were murdered and I have always assumed that this was somewhere in Wales because in book one Hagrid tells us that 'he fell asleep over Bristol'. However there is no reason to assume that it is not as far away as the Silly Isles. Just somthing to think about. TTFN UdderPD ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From eloiseherisson at aol.com Thu Jan 13 21:13:15 2005 From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:13:15 -0000 Subject: JK Decorations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David: > I was always taught as a child that Christmas very definitely comes > to an end on January 6th. I'm not sure if this was an English or a > Danish thing, or both. It's definitely a British thing, don't know about Danish. Well, actually, being Epiphany, I'm not sure that nationality as such comes into it: the church calendar dictates that it's the end of Christmas, so any church which follows the same calendar as the Roman/Anglican traditions will also see Jan 6th as the end of Christmas. Way back Twelfth Night, at the end of the season, was the night of the most riotous Christmas celebrations. The tradition is definitely that it's bad luck to keep your decorations up past Twelfth Night (I should have had a *lot* of bad luck over the years), but there's also a tradition that you *should* keep one sprig of holly though most sources are vehement that Holly should not be introduced into the house before Christmas Eve and must be removed by Twelfth Night or else a misfortune will befall you for every leaf left in the house (shame about that bunch still in the living room!) The tendency here, as Ali said, is for things to creep earlier and earlier and I think that a lot of people are actually taking decorations down earlier as a result. I find it rather sad that people seem to celebrate Christmas in 'the run up to Christmas' as Advent is now known and think it's all over during the season of Christmas itself. Soon the whole thing will be over before Dec. 25th! I think it was Jan 6th that I saw the first Easter offerings in my local supermarket, the Lindt cholcolate reindeer being suddenly superseded by Lindt chocolate bunnies. I'm afraid I find the whole taking down thing a huge chore, which is one reason I'm usually late with it. This year, thank goodness, the children didn't go back to school until after Twelfth Night (they're usually back earlier than that) and they're old enough to help quite efficiently, so I set them to work and we blitzed all the decorations quite quickly (only a day late) before my son helped me to get all the boxes back up into the loft. Only 11 months to go until we get them out again. ~Eloise From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 23:34:34 2005 From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:34:34 -0000 Subject: A question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ivy" wrote: > > OK this is probably a very stupid question but, I am wondering if > there is a difference between a secretary and a receptionist? I > honestly don't know, since I have never been one or needed one. I > was reading a fanfic and the author referred to each job as a > different job.I just assumed they were the same thing. Are they? > Thanks, ~Ivy~ *****\(@@)/***** I had a good chuckle over this question. I work for a city government and we used to have receptionists, secretaries, clerk typists etc. who did separate things, but they phased that out and added the receptionist duties to the clerks, typist clerks or secretaries' jobs. Now they (they being our Civil Service Department) have looked at the "clerical group" and did surveys and such and now we are all being classified as Office Assistants! Lucky me got the grand title of Office Assistant II. Now I can do two things instead of one! Dudemom_2000 *****\(@@)/***** From bboyminn at yahoo.com Fri Jan 14 19:24:22 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:24:22 -0000 Subject: Astrology question- Locations Data In-Reply-To: <20050113193032.34687.qmail@web25305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, udder_pen_dragon wrote: > > > UdderPD would like to add; > > Surely it is not possible to do an accurate Astrological chart for someone unless you have the place and time of their birth? > > We know the date of Harry's birth but not the time and we have absolutly no idea where he was born. > > He was living in Godric's Hollow when his parents were murdered and I have always assumed that this was somewhere in Wales because in book one Hagrid tells us that 'he fell asleep over Bristol'. However there is no reason to assume that it is not as far away as the Silly Isles. > > Just somthing to think about. > > TTFN UdderPD bboyminn: Well I can't say you are wrong, but I question how substantial the difference would be. When I asked about time of birth someone pointed out that only affect certain aspects of the chart. The impression was, it doesn't throw the whole chart off. I suspect the same is true of location. If you were born in New York or Los Angeles, that would make a difference, but if you were born in Minneapolis or St. Paul (the Twin Cities), not so much difference. Britian is not a huge country, so I speculate that selecting a good general purpose location would be adequate. I already speculated that Harry was born a short while after midnight, and while I think that is a reasonable inference, I readily admit it is pure speculation. For reference, here are the locations of several places in the UK and there relative distance and direction from London. Bristol- (West)[107 Miles West and slightly South of London] 51d 26'36"N 02d 32'26"W London- (South Central) 51d 29'08"N 00d 02'48"W Norwich- (East)[99 NE of London] 52d 36'01"N 01d 19'54"E Lands End - (far South West)[269 E-SE] 50d 02'17"N 05d 42'36"W Hogwarts/Hogsmeade- (far North- best guess)[473 N-NW] 57d 47'26"N 04d 37'39"W Other Scotland Locations- Inverness (on Loch Ness between Highlands and Lowlands)[447 N-NW] 57d 28'07"N 04d 12'42"W Ft William (South of Inverness, North of Glasgow)[417 N-NW] 56d 49'30"N 05d 05'03"W North to South, the range is 7 degrees (50d to 57d) East to West, the range is 5 degrees (00d to 5d) (I excluded Norwich which is only included as an Eastern reference point.) Five and Seven degrees don't strike me as much. Could our resident Astrology expert explain to us how much potential difference is represented here? Location data is taken from my 3D-Atlas CD-ROM, and is only roughly accurate. Just curious. Steve/bboyminn (Was bboy_mn) From aletamay01 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 01:43:29 2005 From: aletamay01 at yahoo.com (hogsheadbarmaid) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:43:29 -0000 Subject: Livejounal problems Message-ID: Is it just me or is something wrong with LiveJournal tonight???? From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 15 02:34:19 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:34:19 EST Subject: What my mother taught me.... Message-ID: <1f1.33086fa0.2f19db2b@aol.com> My mother taught me TO APPRECIATE A JOB WELL DONE. "If you're going to kill each other, do it outside. I just finished cleaning." 2. My mother taught me RELIGION. "You better pray that will come out of the carpet." 3. My mother taught me about TIME TRAVEL. "If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" 4.My mother taught me LOGIC. " Because I said so, that's why." 5.My mother taught me MORE LOGIC. "If you fall out of that swing and break your neck, you're not going to the store with me." 6. My mother taught me FORESIGHT. "Make sure you wear clean underwear, in case you're in an accident." 7. My mother taught me IRONY. "Keep crying, and I'll give you something to cry about." 8. My mother taught me about the science of OSMOSIS. "Shut your mouth and eat your supper." 9. My mother taught me about CONTORTIONISM. "Will you look at that dirt on the back of your neck!" 10. My mother taught me about STAMINA. "You'll sit there until all that spinach is gone." 11. My mother taught me about WEATHER. "This room of yours looks as if a tornado went through it." 12. My mother taught me about HYPOCRISY. If I've told you once, I've told you a million times. Don't exaggerate!" 13. My mother taught me the CIRCLE OF LIFE. "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out." 14. My mother taught me about BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION. "Stop acting like your father!" 15. My mother taught me about ENVY. "There are millions of less fortunate children in this world who don't have wonderful parents like you do." 16. My mother taught me about ANTICIPATION. "Just wait until we get home." 17. My mother taught me about RECEIVING. "You are going to get it when you get home!" 18. My mother taught me MEDICAL SCIENCE. "If you don't stop crossing your eyes, they are going to freeze that way." 19. My mother taught me ESP. "Put your sweater on; don't you think I know when you are cold?" 20. My mother taught me HUMOR. "When that lawn mower cuts off your toes, don't come running to me." 21. My mother taught me HOW TO BECOME AN ADULT. "If you don't eat your vegetables, you'll never grow up." 22. My mother taught me GENETICS. "You're just like your father." 23. My mother taught me about my ROOTS. "Shut that door behind you. Do you think you were born in a barn?" 24. My mother taught me WISDOM. "When you get to be my age, you'll understand." 25. And my favorite: My mother taught me about JUSTICE. "One day you'll have kids, and I hope they turn out just like you!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 15 02:35:15 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:35:15 EST Subject: Top 15 things to do at Wal-Mart... Message-ID: <85.1f1107f6.2f19db63@aol.com> 15 things to do at Walmart while your spouse is taking their sweet time: 1. Get 24 boxes of condoms and randomly put them in peoples carts when they aren't looking. 2. Set all the alarm clocks in Housewares to go off at 5-minute intervals. 3. Make a trail of tomato juice on the floor leading to the restrooms. 4. Walk up to an employee and tell him/her in an official tone, 'Code 3' inhousewares......and see what happens. 5. Go the Service Desk and ask to put a bag of M&M's on lay away. 6. Move a 'CAUTION - WET FLOOR' sign to a carpeted area. 7. Set up a tent in the camping department and tell other shoppers you'll invite them in if they bring pillows from the bedding department. 8. When a clerk asks if they can help you, begin to cry and ask 'Why can't you people just leave me alone?' 9. Look right into the security camera, use it as a mirror and pick your nose. 10. While handling guns in the hunting department, ask the clerk if he knows where the anti-depressants are. 11. Dart around the store suspiciously while loudly humming the theme from "Mission Impossible." 12. In the auto department, practice your "Madonna look" using different size funnels. 13. Hide in a clothing rack and when people browse through, say "PICK ME!" "PICK ME!" 14. When an announcement comes over the loud speaker, assume the fetal position and scream "NO! NO! It's those voices again!!!!" And last but not least 15. Go into a fitting room, shut the door and wait a while and then yell loudly "There is no toilet paper in here!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 15 03:32:25 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:32:25 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Livejounal problems References: Message-ID: <000901c4fab2$d5c50c80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> >From LJ-- Our data center (Internap) lost all its power, including redundant backup power, for some unknown reason. (unknown to me, at least) We're currently dealing with bringing our 100+ servers back online. Not fun. We're not happy about this. Sorry... :-/ More details later. Was wondering why I couldn't update. Oh well. *goes back to squishing gummy bears in boredom* Squishy, squishy... Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aletamay01 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 03:41:12 2005 From: aletamay01 at yahoo.com (hogsheadbarmaid) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:41:12 -0000 Subject: Livejounal problems In-Reply-To: <000901c4fab2$d5c50c80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: "Saitaina" wrote: > From LJ-- > > Our data center (Internap) lost all its > power, including redundant backup > power, for some unknown reason. > (unknown to me, at least) We're > currently dealing with bringing our > 100+ servers back online. Not fun. > We're not happy about this. Sorry... > :-/ More details later. > > Was wondering why I couldn't update. > Oh well. *goes back to squishing gummy > bears in boredom* Squishy, squishy... > > Saitaina > **** > "I will not lick the manga...I will not > lick the manga..." > > I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens > out! > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina > > "No, one day I'm going to look back on > all this and plow face-first into a > tree because I was looking the wrong > bloody way. And I'll still be having a > better day than I am today." > Yea, I finally got that message too.... frustration!!!!! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 15 03:44:18 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:44:18 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Livejounal problems References: Message-ID: <001501c4fab4$7e6ac400$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> PTH. Apparently site's going to be down longer then expected. They've got a LOT of work to do. They just updated their message. Could take all weekend. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 15 03:50:03 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:50:03 -0800 Subject: Root cannal finale References: Message-ID: <001a01c4fab5$4c2479e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Since I can't access LJ and I've been ranting about it here anyway, thought I'd give you all the last (hopefully) update. Pain and swelling is FINALLY gone as of yesterday. Weird lump is gone too (more swelling? Odd lump? No clue but now I have nothing to do with my tongue when bored...) I still can't chew well on that side of my mouth, un sure if it's habit or what though I do get flashes of pain when I try. I'm off all pain relievers though, which has relived mum since I was taking narcotics that were prescribed for my surgery in Nov. (okay, how sad is it that I took maybe ONE for gallbladder surgery yet for this toothache I emptied one bottle and was half way through another...Ow!). No more over-doing (and that last eppy wasn't bad, I just got REALLY sleepy...and according to mum really hyper when I was trying to get rid of the paramedics) *for more info see Idiot confession...or something like that*. So I'm pain free, mostly healed, no cap yet though and able to get absolutely smashed on my birthday in...four days! Yay me! Hmm, just thought of something. I'm going to be twenty-four on the eighteenth, yet I keep mentioning I'm twenty (instead of IN my twenties). I wonder if this happens as we get older, we just stop counting after certain milestones. Like my last big birthday was my twenty-first, my next big one is twenty-eight and then thirty...so is it normal to just blank out the years in between? Or am I just odd? (well, I know I'm odd, hullo, that's what makes me cute, but you know what I mean. :o) ) Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 15 04:08:47 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:08:47 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Root cannal finale Message-ID: <196.367284c9.2f19f14f@aol.com> In a message dated 1/14/2005 7:53:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, saitaina at frontiernet.net writes: Hmm, just thought of something. I'm going to be twenty-four on the eighteenth, yet I keep mentioning I'm twenty (instead of IN my twenties). I wonder if this happens as we get older, we just stop counting after certain milestones. Like my last big birthday was my twenty-first, my next big one is twenty-eight and then thirty...so is it normal to just blank out the years in between? Or am I just odd? (well, I know I'm odd, hullo, that's what makes me cute, but you know what I mean. :o) ) *********************************************** Chancie: That's funny that you say that. I'm 23, and I was at the store the other day buying beer for my hubby, and the clerk asked me how old I was and I said 18. I was like uhh.. no I'm not I'm 23. Well needless to say, he didn't believe me, and I had to show him 2 sets of ID. before he would let me leave. Just out of curiosity, what is "Live Journal"? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 15 04:20:39 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:20:39 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Root cannal finale References: <196.367284c9.2f19f14f@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401c4fab9$92837900$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> livejournal.com is a site that hosts...well, journals. Blogs. Sort of like a diary only they can be open to the public (or not depending on the user's settings). Mine are almost always completely open due to the fact I have nothing to hide and when I do I usually lock it down only to a friends level, meaning anyone I consider a friend (all eighty of them) can read it. I basically use mine as my journal, a place to rant, a place to share, and a place to bitch about my writing. Some of my friends use it as a way to keep up with my life. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From punkieshazam at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 08:56:36 2005 From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:56:36 -0000 Subject: What my mother taught me.... In-Reply-To: <1f1.33086fa0.2f19db2b@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote: > > My mother taught me TO APPRECIATE A JOB WELL DONE. > "If you're going to kill each other, do it outside. I > just finished cleaning." >>considerable snippage>> > 25. And my favorite: My mother taught me about > JUSTICE. > "One day you'll have kids, and I hope they turn out > just like you!" Um.......Are you my long lost sister? Punkie Petunia is a witch in denial! From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 20:51:14 2005 From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0000 Subject: *Top 15 things to do at Wal-Mart... In-Reply-To: <85.1f1107f6.2f19db63@aol.com> Message-ID: HI! Sounds like a good idea to me ! GAil --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote: > > > 15 things to do at Walmart while your spouse is taking their sweet time: > > 1. Get 24 boxes of condoms and randomly put them in peoples carts when they > aren't looking. > > 2. Set all the alarm clocks in Housewares to go off at 5-minute intervals. > > 3. Make a trail of tomato juice on the floor leading to the restrooms. > > 4. Walk up to an employee and tell him/her in an official tone, 'Code 3' > inhousewares......and see what happens. > > 5. Go the Service Desk and ask to put a bag of M&M's on lay away. > > 6. Move a 'CAUTION - WET FLOOR' sign to a carpeted area. > > 7. Set up a tent in the camping department and tell other shoppers you'll > invite them in if they bring pillows from the bedding department. > > 8. When a clerk asks if they can help you, begin to cry and ask 'Why can't > you people just leave me alone?' > 9. Look right into the security camera, use it as a mirror and pick your > nose. > 10. While handling guns in the hunting department, ask the clerk if he knows > where the anti-depressants are. > 11. Dart around the store suspiciously while loudly humming the theme from > "Mission Impossible." > 12. In the auto department, practice your "Madonna look" using different > size funnels. > > 13. Hide in a clothing rack and when people browse through, say "PICK ME!" > "PICK ME!" > > 14. When an announcement comes over the loud speaker, assume the fetal > position and scream "NO! NO! It's those voices again!!!!" > > > > And last but not least > 15. Go into a fitting room, shut the door and wait a while and then yell > loudly "There is no toilet paper in here!" > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 16 02:58:19 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:58:19 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What my mother taught me.... Message-ID: In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:59:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, punkieshazam at yahoo.com writes: > > My mother taught me TO APPRECIATE A JOB WELL DONE. > "If you're going to kill each other, do it outside. I > just finished cleaning." >>considerable snippage>> > 25. And my favorite: My mother taught me about > JUSTICE. > "One day you'll have kids, and I hope they turn out > just like you!" Um.......Are you my long lost sister? Punkie ************************************************* Chancie: Ummm... I don't think so, but I always used to swear I was adopted, So who knows! =) Chancie~who's glad to know she's not the only one with a mom that "taught" her things, and worries whether her daughter will be thinking the same things about her in a few years.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 16 05:02:21 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 16 Jan 2005 05:02:21 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1105851741.21.90943.m10@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 16, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 05:39:16 2005 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:39:16 -0000 Subject: NEW SITE _ Reveal your HBP theory to The_Prophecy_Orb Message-ID: Hi everyone, A new simple and fun way to pass time while we wait for July 16th has been created at Row 97. This game is simple and exciting, and it doesn't require excessive participation to enjoy it, so lurkers and audiences are welcomed. All you need to do is post your best HP theories in the Prophecy Orbs and then await, read and enjoy the predictions others are betting their entire Gringotts vault on. Upon the release of the next two books the prophecies will be reviewed by the group. Authenticated predictions will be recognised, and their owner celebrated and honoured academically with OWLs NEWTs and Special Awards. Polls, Graduation Ceremonies, and Laudations for High Achieving Gamers to celebrate the Release of HBP. Group Therapy for the rest of us. Enjoy every Moment! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Prophecy_Orb/ * * * | | | | _Signum Orbis_ Valky [ O ] From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 16 16:02:09 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 16 Jan 2005 16:02:09 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1105891329.16.41069.m22@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 16, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From yrcarroll at comcast.net Sun Jan 16 19:16:54 2005 From: yrcarroll at comcast.net (yolandacarroll) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:16:54 -0000 Subject: Chat - I had to use Yahoo Messenger to get in... Message-ID: Hi, I had to use Yahoo Messenger to get in to HP Chat today. I couldn't get in through the chat link on the HPfGU page (I admit that I didn't try the one on the HPFGU-OTChatter page) or through chat.yahoo.com. Yolanda From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Jan 16 20:38:49 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:38:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Gummy Bears Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Livejounal problems In-Reply-To: <000901c4fab2$d5c50c80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> References: <000901c4fab2$d5c50c80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <2968.4.47.27.235.1105907929.squirrel@4.47.27.235> Saitaina said: > Oh well. *goes back to squishing gummy > bears in boredom* Squishy, squishy... Gummy bears... Mmm. {g} I used to buy these five pound bags and eat about 4-5 cups over the course of a workday. I used to also lick 'em and stick 'em to my overhead cubicle shelf cover. Though, in between the gummy bears, soda pop and juice--after a 10+hr shift, you could almost sing '99 bottles' or it'd look like a shooting line-up--my teeth took a beating and I stopped about a few years ago. :-( Ironically, I was thinner then than I am now. Oh, remember that 1990s(?) cartoon, Gummi Bears? "Gummi Bears, bouncing here and there and everywhere..." {g} I 'inherited' Sunni Gummi (blonde bear in light green tunic) from whoever had an office desk before me. Dina -- Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/ ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/ From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 22:30:00 2005 From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:30:00 -0000 Subject: Well, we fly out next week. Message-ID: Off to the sandbox. No Hogwarts robes, but a lot of responsibility overseas. I hope the HBP book does reach me quickly and I get a chance to read it in between shifts. Obviously more, I hope we all stay safe! Take care.... A.J. (to whom even today, someone said, 'Has anyone ever said you fancy Harry Potter?') From saitaina at frontiernet.net Sun Jan 16 22:36:25 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:36:25 -0800 Subject: Gummy Bears Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Livejounal problems References: <000901c4fab2$d5c50c80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2968.4.47.27.235.1105907929.squirrel@4.47.27.235> Message-ID: <003801c4fc1b$d05ba500$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Dina wrote: Hmm, I prefer bending them in half and licking them to watch them melt. I'm so mean to Gummy Bears. Wasn't it late 80's? Anyway, I used to watch that show ALL the time. I saw a re-run the other day on a cartoon channel and couldn't figure out why I used to like it so much. It's not that I don't enjoy cartoons anymore, I jus couldn't like that one again for some reason. *shrugs* Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shalimar07 at aol.com Sun Jan 16 22:57:05 2005 From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:57:05 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Well, we fly out next week. Message-ID: <6b.3cbb22c7.2f1c4b41@aol.com> A.J. Where are you going? MumWeasley7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bruney200 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 16 23:35:22 2005 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:35:22 -0000 Subject: Golden Globes on Tonight... Message-ID: Hey guys dont forget to watch the Golden Globes at 7pm on NBC to cheer on your favorite actors and actress. Here is the list of nominees. When they win I will post them up on the post. ? BEST MOTION PICTURE ? DRAMA THE AVIATOR Initial Entertainment Group/Forward Pass; Miramax Films/ Warner Bros. Pictures/Initial Entertainment Group CLOSER Columbia Pictures; Sony Pictures Releasing FINDING NEVERLAND Film Colony Productions; Miramax Films HOTEL RWANDA Miracle Pictures/Seamus Productions; United Artists Films/ Lions Gate Films/MGM Distribution Co. KINSEY Qwerty Films; Fox Searchlight Pictures MILLION DOLLAR BABY Warner Bros. Pictures; Warner Bros. Pictures ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A MOTION PICTURE ? DRAMA SCARLETT JOHANSSON A LOVE SONG FOR BOBBY LONG NICOLE KIDMAN BIRTH IMELDA STAUNTON VERA DRAKE HILARY SWANK MILLION DOLLAR BABY UMA THURMAN KILL BILL VOL. 2 ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A MOTION PICTURE ? DRAMA JAVIER BARDEM THE SEA INSIDE DON CHEADLE HOTEL RWANDA JOHNNY DEPP FINDING NEVERLAND LEONARDO DICAPRIO THE AVIATOR LIAM NEESON KINSEY ? BEST MOTION PICTURE - MUSICAL OR COMEDY ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND Anonymous Content/This is that; Focus Features THE INCREDIBLES Walt Disney Pictures/Pixar Animation Studios; Buena Vista Pictures Distribution THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA Really Useful Films; Warner Bros. Pictures RAY Anvil Films/Baldwin Entertainment; Universal Pictures/Bristol Bay Productions SIDEWAYS Sideways Productions, Inc.; Fox Searchlight Pictures ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A MOTION PICTURE - MUSICAL OR COMEDY ANNETTE BENING BEING JULIA ASHLEY JUDD DE-LOVELY EMMY ROSSUM THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA KATE WINSLET ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND RENEE ZELLWEGER BRIDGET JONES: THE EDGE OF REASON ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A MOTION PICTURE -MUSICAL OR COMEDY JIM CARREY ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND JAMIE FOXX RAY PAUL GIAMATTI SIDEWAYS KEVIN KLINE DE-LOVELY KEVIN SPACEY BEYOND THE SEA ? BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM THE CHORUS (LES CHORISTES) (FRANCE) Galat?e Films/Path? Renn Productions/Jacques Perrin, Arthur Cohn & Nicholas Mauvernay Productions/France 2 Cin?ma/Novo Arturo Films; Miramax Films HOUSE OF FLYING DAGGERS (CHINA) Elite Group (2003) Enterprises, Inc.; Sony Pictures Classics THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES (BRAZIL) South Fork Pictures/Tu Vas Voir Productions; Focus Features/Film Four THE SEA INSIDE (SPAIN) Sogecine/Himenoptero; Fine Line Features A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT (FRANCE) 2003 Productions/ Warner Bros. France/Tapioca Films/TFI Films; Warner Independent Pictures ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE IN A MOTION PICTURE CATE BLANCHETT THE AVIATOR LAURA LINNEY KINSEY VIRGINIA MADSEN SIDEWAYS NATALIE PORTMAN CLOSER MERYL STREEP THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE IN A MOTION PICTURE DAVID CARRADINE KILL BILL VOL. 2 THOMAS HADEN CHURCH SIDEWAYS JAMIE FOXX COLLATERAL MORGAN FREEMAN MILLION DOLLAR BABY CLIVE OWEN CLOSER ? BEST DIRECTOR - MOTION PICTURE CLINT EASTWOOD MILLION DOLLAR BABY MARC FORSTER FINDING NEVERLAND MIKE NICHOLS CLOSER ALEXANDER PAYNE SIDEWAYS MARTIN SCORSESE THE AVIATOR ? BEST SCREENPLAY - MOTION PICTURE CHARLIE KAUFMAN ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND JOHN LOGAN THE AVIATOR DAVID MAGEE FINDING NEVERLAND PATRICK MARBER CLOSER ALEXANDER PAYNE & JIM TAYLOR SIDEWAYS ? BEST ORIGINAL SCORE - MOTION PICTURE CLINT EASTWOOD MILLION DOLLAR BABY JAN A.P. KACZMAREK FINDING NEVERLAND ROLFE KENT SIDEWAYS HOWARD SHORE THE AVIATOR HANS ZIMMER SPANGLISH ? BEST ORIGINAL SONG - MOTION PICTURE "ACCIDENTALLY IN LOVE" SHREK 2 Music & Lyrics by: Adam Duritz, Dan Vickery, David Immergluck, Matthew Malley & David Bryson BELIEVE" THE POLAR EXPRESS "Music & Lyrics by: Glen Ballard & Alan Silvestri "LEARN TO BE LONELY" THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA Music by: Andrew Lloyd Webber Lyrics by: Charles Hart "MILLION VOICES" HOTEL RWANDA Music by: Wyclef Jean, Jerry "Wonder" Duplessis, Andrea Guerra Lyrics by: Wyclef Jean "OLD HABITS DIE HARD" ALFIE Music & Lyrics by: Mick Jagger & David A. Stewart ? BEST TELEVISION SERIES - DRAMA 24 (FOX) Imagine Television/20th Century Fox Television; Real Time Television; Fox DEADWOOD (HBO) Red Board Productions/Paramount Television/HBO Entertainment; HBO LOST (ABC) Touchstone Television; ABC NIP/TUCK (FX) Shephard-Robin Company/Warner Bros. Television Production, Inc.; FX THE SOPRANOS (HBO) Chase Films/Brad Grey Television/HBO Entertainment; HBO ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A TELEVISION SERIES - DRAMA EDIE FALCO THE SOPRANOS JENNIFER GARNER ALIAS MARISKA HARGITAY LAW & ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT CHRISTINE LAHTI JACK & BOBBY JOELY RICHARDSON NIP/TUCK ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A TELEVISION SERIES - DRAMA MICHAEL CHIKLIS THE SHIELD DENIS LEARY RESCUE ME JULIAN MCMAHON NIP/TUCK IAN MCSHANE DEADWOOD JAMES SPADER BOSTON LEGAL ? BEST TELEVISION SERIES - MUSICAL OR COMEDY ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT (FOX) 20th Century Fox Television/Imagine Television DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES (ABC) Touchstone Television ENTOURAGE (HBO) Leverage/Closest to the Hole Productions/HBO Entertainment SEX AND THE CITY (HBO) Darren Star Productions/HBO Entertainment WILL & GRACE (NBC) NBC Universal Television/KoMut Entertainment/Three Sisters ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A TELEVISION SERIES - MUSICAL OR COMEDY MARCIA CROSS DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES TERI HATCHER DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES FELICITY HUFFMAN DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES DEBRA MESSING WILL & GRACE SARAH JESSICA PARKER SEX AND THE CITY ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A TELEVISION SERIES - MUSICAL OR COMEDY JASON BATEMAN ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT ZACH BRAFF SCRUBS LARRY DAVID CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM MATT LEBLANC JOEY TONY SHALHOUB MONK CHARLIE SHEEN TWO AND A HALF MEN ? BEST MINI-SERIES OR MOTION PICTURE MADE FOR TELEVISION AMERICAN FAMILY ? JOURNEY OF DREAMS (PBS) El Norte Productions/KCET/Greenblatt-Janollari Studios/Fox Television Studios IRON JAWED ANGELS (HBO) Spring Creek Productions/HBO Films THE LIFE AND DEATH OF PETER SELLERS (HBO) DeMann Entertainment/Company Pictures/BBC Films/HBO Films THE LION IN WINTER (SHOWTIME) Showtime/Hallmark Entertainment/Mat IV Productions SOMETHING THE LORD MADE (HBO) Cort-Madden Productions/HBO Films ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A MINI-SERIES OR A MOTION PICTURE MADE FOR TELEVISION GLENN CLOSE THE LION IN WINTER BLYTHE DANNER BACK WHEN WE WERE GROWN UPS JULIANNA MARGULIES THE GRID MIRANDA RICHARDSON THE LOST PRINCE HILARY SWANK IRON JAWED ANGELS ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A MINI-SERIES OR A MOTION PICTURE MADE FOR TELEVISION MOS DEF SOMETHING THE LORD MADE JAMIE FOXX REDEMPTION WILLIAM H. MACY THE WOOL CAP GEOFFREY RUSH THE LIFE AND DEATH OF PETER SELLERS PATRICK STEWART THE LION IN WINTER ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE IN A SERIES, MINI-SERIES OR MOTION PICTURE MADE FOR TELEVISION DREA DE MATTEO THE SOPRANOS ANJELICA HUSTON IRON JAWED ANGELS NICOLLETTE SHERIDAN DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES CHARLIZE THERON THE LIFE AND DEATH OF PETER SELLERS EMILY WATSON THE LIFE AND DEATH OF PETER SELLERS ? BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE IN A SERIES, MINI-SERIES OR MOTION PICTURE MADE FOR TELEVISION SEAN HAYES WILL & GRACE MICHAEL IMPERIOLI THE SOPRANOS JEREMY PIVEN ENTOURAGE OLIVER PLATT HUFF WILLIAM SHATNER BOSTON LEGAL From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Jan 16 23:59:09 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:59:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: 'LOTR' actors there Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Golden Globes on Tonight... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3094.4.47.27.244.1105919949.squirrel@4.47.27.244> Tasha said: > Hey guys dont forget to watch the Golden Globes at 7pm on NBC to cheer > on your favorite actors and actress. Actually, I'm just watching for the 'LOTR' actors. {g} I just saw Dom Monaghan in one shot (series, Lost), and Orlando Bloom is supposedly a presenter (some report said he had table seating with Nicole Kidman and... Naomi Watts?). Oh yeah, and the CLOTHES!!! :-) Dina From redina at silverbloom.net Mon Jan 17 03:30:07 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:30:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Gummy Bears Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Livejounal problems In-Reply-To: <003801c4fc1b$d05ba500$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> References: <000901c4fab2$d5c50c80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2968.4.47.27.235.1105907929.squirrel@4.47.27.235> <003801c4fc1b$d05ba500$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <3481.4.47.27.244.1105932607.squirrel@4.47.27.244> Saitaina said: > Hmm, I prefer bending them in half and > licking them to watch them melt. I'm > so mean to Gummy Bears. :-) I like biting off their heads. > Gummi Bears?> > > Wasn't it late 80's? I thought it was late 80s or early 90s and couldn't make up my mind. However, we're both right: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088528/ (1985-1991) Good Lord, the show lasted *that* long? > Anyway, I used to > watch that show ALL the time. Ditto here. Saturday morning cartoons were considered a 'highlight' for a kid. > It's not that > I don't enjoy cartoons anymore, I jus > couldn't like that one again for some > reason. *shrugs* Heh, I'm reminded of watching the Cartoon Network for some POA promos and wondering how kids can find some of the new cartoons entertaining, and then I get to see some of my past 'favorites' (e.g. Smurfs, Snorks**, Rainbow Brite, Strawberry Shortcake - before 'girl power' and when she had a *skirt*, and more) and wonder why I used to watch them. **Speaking of Snorks, I'm reminded of fic 'sporking'. Y'know, to be bluntly honest, one of the gals who advocated any sporking being cruel tends to write 'fan-girly' type fic and is very sensitive to any sort of criticism. As for my own opinions on sporking, when you write Sirius Black as a *pregnant* *elf* who names his kids after a Japanese anime series, then you should be prepared for sporking. Consider it the price for 'freedom of expression' because this freedom goes both ways. Dina From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 17 06:11:38 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:11:38 -0000 Subject: LotR site question Message-ID: Hey, I know many HP fans are also fans of Tolkein. As I have been studying Middle-Earth more, I wonder if there is any site about it that is akin to the Harry Potter Lexicon, with dates, times, people, etc. cross-referenced, indexed, and easy-to-use. I have often wanted to check a fact and either not been able to remember where it was, or not have all the books with me to use inices and appendices (I only happen to own LotR and The Silmarilian, none of the tomes of the History of Middle Earth or lost tales or anything). Can anyone help me out? Thanks imamommy From redina at silverbloom.net Mon Jan 17 06:38:13 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:38:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: LOTR's 'Lexicon' Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LotR site question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4098.4.47.27.244.1105943893.squirrel@4.47.27.244> elady25 said: > Hey, I know many HP fans are also fans of Tolkein. As I have been > studying Middle-Earth more, I wonder if there is any site about it Hm, offhand, I believe the Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/ ...Is the closest with timelines, characters and their history/geneology, maps, etc. However, few book pages are cited for referencing from personal books. Dina From sherriola at earthlink.net Mon Jan 17 06:53:11 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:53:11 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LotR site question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d401c4fc61$3688d1a0$0400a8c0@pensive> I'd be interested in an email discussion group like HP for grown ups, but for LOTR, but I've yet to find one. You might check out www.theonering.net I may not have the exact right syntax there, but it's a pretty popular site. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: elady25 [mailto:imamommy at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:12 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LotR site question Hey, I know many HP fans are also fans of Tolkein. As I have been studying Middle-Earth more, I wonder if there is any site about it that is akin to the Harry Potter Lexicon, with dates, times, people, etc. cross-referenced, indexed, and easy-to-use. I have often wanted to check a fact and either not been able to remember where it was, or not have all the books with me to use inices and appendices (I only happen to own LotR and The Silmarilian, none of the tomes of the History of Middle Earth or lost tales or anything). Can anyone help me out? Thanks imamommy ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 07:01:36 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:01:36 -0000 Subject: Getting UK HBP in the US: reality check Message-ID: Have people in the US ordered their UK editions yet? I was checking prices, and as far as I could figure it, Chapters/Indigo of Canada was the cheapest. What I found: Amazon UK: 10.00 GBP + 7.00 delivery --> converts to $31.79 (US) (actually, a few cents less since all the British prices ended in .99) Chapters/Indigo: $24.60 + $9.90 delivery (Can.) --> $28.29 (US) Amazon.ca had the same delivery rate as Chapters, but the book itself cost $25.80 (Can), so I didn't bother to calculate. I used a currency converter from Yahoo. Is this about what other people have found, or have I made a big math blunder somewhere? Anybody find anything cheaper? I used the cheapest delivery method, since by the time it comes, I'll have finished my Scholastic edition anyway. Annemehr getting antsy to preorder From redina at silverbloom.net Mon Jan 17 07:33:36 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:33:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LotR site question In-Reply-To: <00d401c4fc61$3688d1a0$0400a8c0@pensive> References: <00d401c4fc61$3688d1a0$0400a8c0@pensive> Message-ID: <4229.4.47.27.244.1105947216.squirrel@4.47.27.244> Sherry Gomes said: > > I'd be interested in an email discussion group like HP for grown ups, but > for LOTR, but I've yet to find one. You might check out > > www.theonering.net > > I may not have the exact right syntax there, but it's a pretty popular > site. Ah, TORN. I associated it more akin to HPANA and not the Lexicon. As to the mailing list, I used to know one but I lost the link. Maybe try asking http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=dargie --I *think* she modded a restricted LOTR list which... well was of the LOTR intellectual variety (i.e. movies are for plebes). Dina From joseph at kirtland.com Mon Jan 17 20:18:53 2005 From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:18:53 -0000 Subject: Getting UK HBP in the US: reality check In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Annemehr, I have UK and US editions of all the books, though I'm not enough of a fanatic to collect the different covers from the UK editions. As weak as the US dollar is, I usually figure on doubling the price in pounds to equal US dollars. My HBP is already reserved on amazon.uk as well as my local Boarders, where I will attend their midnight release party. Joe --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > Have people in the US ordered their UK editions yet? I was checking > prices, and as far as I could figure it, Chapters/Indigo of Canada was > the cheapest. What I found: > > Amazon UK: 10.00 GBP + 7.00 delivery --> converts to $31.79 (US) > (actually, a few cents less since all the British prices ended in .99) > > Chapters/Indigo: $24.60 + $9.90 delivery (Can.) --> $28.29 (US) > > Amazon.ca had the same delivery rate as Chapters, but the book itself > cost $25.80 (Can), so I didn't bother to calculate. I used a currency > converter from Yahoo. Is this about what other people have found, or > have I made a big math blunder somewhere? Anybody find anything > cheaper? I used the cheapest delivery method, since by the time it > comes, I'll have finished my Scholastic edition anyway. > > Annemehr > getting antsy to preorder From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 21:50:10 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:50:10 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... Message-ID: This is certainly off-topic, but I feel I have to get this rant of my chest somewhere, and as I value the opinions of the people here, here is where I will rant. Most people know by now that Prince Harry (Windsor, not Potter) went to a costume party wearing a part of a Nazi Militiary costume. Without a doubt that was poor taste and bad judgement, but the worldwide media frenzy has been rediculously out of proportion. The British government is even getting involved as is the European Union governing body. This whole incident with Harry's costume is completely overblow. True, it was a bad choice and he should have been wiser. But he wasn't goose-stepping down Oxford Street or attending a white supremacy rally. He was at a PRIVATE party that had a specific context. That context being a 'fancy dress party' or as we call it here in the USA, a costume party. By the way, he wasn't wearing a formal SS uniform or anything. It was a khaki/tan military-style short-sleeved shirt with a red Nazi swastika armband, and an ordinary pair of kid-style baggy tan slacks. The shirt was worn open at collar with first few button unbuttoned and the long shirt-tails out, and while it couldn't be seen in the photo, one can assume a pair of sneakers/trainers. The real crime here is that one of the people at the PRIVATE party thought more of his own financial gain, than that of Harry's personal right to privacy. If we are going to talk about uniforms and what they symbolize, then perhaps it would have been better, given the party theme of 'Colonials and Natives', for Harry to have worn a nice crisp Colonial-era British military uniform. Do you think that would have been a better choice? Perhaps we should ask the people of India, the many India-heritage citizens of Britian, and other African and Asian nations what the British military uniform symbolizes. Perhaps we should ask the people of India what they think about the countless thousands of Indians who were mercilessly slaughtered and enslaved by the British Colonial Empire. Perhaps we should discuss the Opium Wars. Those with a pathetic knowledge of history would assume that the British were the 'good guys'. But it was in fact the British and other Europeans that were promoting and trading Opium, and the Chinese who were trying to stop that trade. Britian has far too many attrocities associated with it's own uniform to be casting stones at Prince Harry for an ill-chosen fancy dress costume. In addition, Harry did not wear the costume in a way that showed any respect to the Nazis or the uniform. It was worn loose, casual, almost slovenly, and informal. I highly suspect, Harry was simply drawn to the military look, and the Nazi aspect of it was very secondary to it's appeal as a costume. That and the simplicity and convenience of the costume. Who really wants to spend an evening of partying in some clumsy, bulky, awkward, tedious costume? Prince William wore black tights and a leopard skin; sound a little airy and a little chilly for January in Britian. I think the Royal Families response to Harry's poor choice was in reasonable proportion to the incident, and now that he has apologied and been punished, the rest of the world should get a life. Further, the overblown, hyper-inflated, inflamed response of the media has nothing to do with Harry's offense, and everything to do with feeding the fire in order to make money. This response is not about Harry misjudgement, it's about seizing any excuse to fuel the flames of commerce. Despite the likely awareness of the media to what happened, this story would have been back page fair had it not been for the presents of a photograph that the media could use to sensationalize the story. I seriously doubt that the photographer cared one way or another about Harry's costume. He, or she, was primarily interested in the 10,000 Pound fee that the photograph brought. I do agree Harry used poor judgement, but the offense of that misjudgement is nothing to offense of the greedy money fueled media frenzy that it spawned. My advice- lighten up. Steve From redina at silverbloom.net Mon Jan 17 22:24:55 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:24:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4676.4.47.27.244.1106000695.squirrel@4.47.27.244> Steve said: > My advice- lighten up. {g} All that for one line of advice? ;-) But doesn't it feel a little better to get some rants off your chest? For the record, I wasn't aware of the costume problem. Dina From kcawte at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 17 23:51:03 2005 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (slytherinspirit) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:51:03 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I totally agree with you Steve. Just think how much trouble he could have been in if he'd dressed as the devil ;) (and yes I realise that wouldn't have fit with the 'theme'). The Independent devoted the whole front page to it (because obviously what a twenty year old, whose only claim to fame is that he's related to the head of state, wore to a private party was the most important thing that happened in the world in the previous 24 hours - not) with one soldier claiming "we went to wore to stop this sort of thing!" - we did? I could have sworn the reasons behind the Second World War were a tad bit more serious than what costumes people are allowed to wear to fancy dress parties. Yes, given the timing, it wasn't the smartest thing he's ever done (and with Harry there's not been a lot of competition for brightest idea ever), but if someone wearing a nazi costume is so unusual and offensive I wonder why the shop he hired/bought (not sure which) it from even had one in stock. K From spin01 at aol.com Tue Jan 18 01:00:26 2005 From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:00:26 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I do agree Harry used poor judgement, but the offense of that misjudgement is nothing to offense of the greedy money fueled media frenzy that it spawned Steve as I read your post I had to agree with it. I understand the uproar. Having anything to do with Nazi'ism is to many a horrible horrible thing. I think it was a horrible time. However he is a kid. A royal kid but a kid none the less. Kids do stupid things. All of them at one time or another. And using him to create the hype that is going on now is not fair to him. He has apologised. I agree with Fergi leave him be now. Sherry From tonks_op at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 02:41:29 2005 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:41:29 -0000 Subject: Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice Message-ID: Hi: Does anyone know of a site that tell you how to make any of the Harry Potter drinks and food?? Tonks From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 18 04:07:21 2005 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:07:21 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > Perhaps we should ask the people of India, the many India-heritage > citizens of Britian, and other African and Asian nations what the > British military uniform symbolizes. Perhaps we should ask the people > of India what they think about the countless thousands of Indians who > were mercilessly slaughtered and enslaved by the British Colonial Empire. > Jeez Louise, Steve, you're going to trash talk the Empire all on account of a few paparazzi gate-crashing the half-brown(shirt) Prince's National Socialist soiree? If the British are going to be indicted for their crimes, they should at least get some credit for their positive accomplishments. But don't take it from me - look to see what Dadabhai Naoroji had to say in his 1871 The Benefits of British Rule: In the Cause of Humanity: Abolition of suttee and infanticide. Destruction of Dacoits, Thugs, Pindarees, and other such pests of Indian society. Allowing remarriage of Hindu widows, and charitable aid in time of famine. Glorious work all this, of which any nation may well be proud, and such as has not fallen to the lot of any people in the history of mankind. In the Cause of Civilization: Education, both male and female. Though yet only partial, an inestimable blessing as far as it has gone, and leading gradually to the destruction of superstition, and many moral and social evils. Resuscitation of India's own noble literature, modified and refined by the enlightenment of the West. Politically: Peace and order. Freedom of speech and liberty of the press. Higher political knowledge and aspirations. Improvement of government in the native states. Security of life and property. Freedom from oppression caused by the caprice or greed of despotic rulers, and from devastation by war. Equal justice between man and man (sometimes vitiated by partiality to Europeans). Services of highly educated administrators, who have achieved the above-mentioned results. Materially: Loans for railways and irrigation. Development of a few valuable products, such as indigo, tea, coffee, silk, etc. Increase of exports. Telegraphs. Generally: A slowly growing desire of late to treat India equitably, and as a country held in trust. Good intentions. No nation on the face of the earth has ever had the opportunity of achieving such a glorious work as this. I hope in the credit side of the account I have done no injustice, and if I have omitted any item which anyone may think of importance, I shall have the greatest pleasure in inserting it. I appreciate, and so do my countrymen, what England has done for India, and I know that it is only in British hands that her regeneration can be accomplished. Summary: To sum up the whole, the British rule has been: morally, a great blessing; politically, peace and order on one hand, blunders on the other; materially, impoverishment, relieved as far as the railway and other loans go. The natives call the British system "Sakar ki Churi," the knife of sugar. That is to say, there is no oppression, it is all smooth and sweet, but it is the knife, notwithstanding. I mention this that you should know these feelings. Our great misfortune is that you do not know our wants. When you will know our real wishes, I have not the least doubt that you would do justice. The genius and spirit of the British people is fair play and justice. End quote (see the whole thing here) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1871britishrule.html Dadabhai Naoroji also notes some debits, more to do with unfair taxation and lack of representation rather than merciless massacres and slavery. The British legacy in India, despite its manifold evils, has resulted in what seems to be a rather well-functioning democracy these days. At any rate, India is lucky that its colonizers wore British uninforms as opposed to the group who adopted one of India's own mystical symbols as their very own (i.e., the one Prince Harry wore). - CMC From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 18 05:54:37 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:54:37 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice Message-ID: <1e2.334f502b.2f1dfe9d@aol.com> In a message dated 1/17/2005 6:48:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, tonks_op at yahoo.com writes: Hi: Does anyone know of a site that tell you how to make any of the Harry Potter drinks and food?? Tonks ************************************ Chancie: I believe Steve said that there was a recipe for Butterbeer on Lexicon, And he gave one in a post...sorry I don't keep up with post numbers, I believe he said that you make it with cream soda and butterscotch icecream topping. Hope that helps! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 18 07:12:31 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:12:31 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: snip > If we are going to talk about uniforms and what they symbolize, then > perhaps it would have been better, given the party theme of 'Colonials > and Natives', for Harry to have worn a nice crisp Colonial-era British > military uniform. Do you think that would have been a better choice? >snip Or how about a circa 1838 US Army uniform, like the ones worn by those who sent the Native Americans on a death march? imamommy From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 18 07:36:42 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:36:42 -0000 Subject: LotR site question In-Reply-To: <4229.4.47.27.244.1105947216.squirrel@4.47.27.244> Message-ID: Dina and Sherry, Thanks for your help. Encycolpedia of Arda was most like what I was looking for, but TORN is great, too. One of my favorite new findings is Emyn Arnen, a fansite dedicated to Faramir and Eowyn. Sherry, let me know if that discussion group is up and running. Thanks again! imamommy --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" wrote: > Sherry Gomes said: > > > > I'd be interested in an email discussion group like HP for grown ups, but > > for LOTR, but I've yet to find one. You might check out > > > > www.theonering.net > > > > I may not have the exact right syntax there, but it's a pretty popular > > site. > > Ah, TORN. I associated it more akin to HPANA and not the Lexicon. As to > the mailing list, I used to know one but I lost the link. Maybe try > asking http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=dargie --I *think* she > modded a restricted LOTR list which... well was of the LOTR intellectual > variety (i.e. movies are for plebes). > > Dina From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 09:19:55 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:19:55 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > ...edited... Perhaps we should ask the peopleof India what they > > think about the countless thousands of Indians who were > > mercilessly slaughtered and enslaved by the British Colonial > > Empire. > Caius Marcius: > > Jeez Louise, Steve, you're going to trash talk the Empire all on > account of a few paparazzi gate-crashing the half-brown(shirt) > Prince's National Socialist soiree? > > If the British are going to be indicted for their crimes, they > should at least get some credit for their positive accomplishments. > But don't take it from me - look to see what Dadabhai Naoroji had > to say in his 1871 > > The Benefits of British Rule: > > In the Cause of Humanity:... > > In the Cause of Civilization: ... > > Politically:... > > Materially: ... > > Generally: ... > > Summary: To sum up the whole, the British rule has been: morally, a > great blessing; politically, peace and order on one hand, blunders > on the other; ...edited... > > End quote > > Dadabhai Naoroji also notes some debits, more to do with unfair > taxation and lack of representation rather than merciless massacres > and slavery. The British legacy in India, despite its manifold > evils, has resulted in what seems to be a rather well-functioning > democracy these days. At any rate, India is lucky that its > colonizers wore British uninforms as opposed to the group who > adopted one of India's own mystical symbols as their very own > (i.e., the one Prince Harry wore). > > - CMC bboyminn: First and foremost, my point was not about demonizing the British for their history; it's about reasonable proportion and perspective. The way the media and the goverment responded to the 'Harry' incident was blown way out of proportion by adopting an extreme and inflamed perspective. My point was that if the British tabloids are going to crucify Prince Harry over the costume uniform he wore, then perhaps someone should force a more realistic perspective on them. That was the point of my comments about the British. If I take the same attitude that they took, and adopt an extreme and inflamed perspective regarding the British military colonial uniform, I can rage and storm with the same sense of overblown outrage as the media displayed. There is an absolutely legitimate claim of British atrocities in India, and the Indians have every reason to hate the British. But it's not really in their nature to foster hatred. So, while the world could associate the British Colonial military uniform with these atrocities, it generally doesn't. We remember, but we've let go of that part of history. And it's time to remember, but let go of this other part of history. True, there are still people in the world who are using the swastika to promote a modern inflamed version of the Nazi ideology. So there is still reason to view this symbol with suspicion and disdain. But Harry did not use the swastika symbol in this way. He wasn't promoting or given any direct, indirect, or implied approval to this ideology. He simply wore a costume to a party, and he did so in a half-hearted and slovenly way that showed no respect for the symbol at all. Just a boy in a costume, certainly a costume in poor taste, but a costume none the less, and it didn't even deserve a fraction of the response it got. Regarding, India's history with the British, while I'm certain some Indians found useful aspect of then modern western politics and culture, overall, India improve not because of the British, but in spite of them. India itself, and world opinion, force Britain out of India. Not trying to start a debate on India/British history, just trying to show how rediculously out of proportion the response to Harry's costume was. Further, I'm not say the press and the people shouldn't have responded, just that the media response had more to do with making money than any true sense of justice or outrage. Just one man's opinion. Steve From miss_megan at bigpond.com Tue Jan 18 10:10:32 2005 From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:10:32 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I disagree with you Steve, Harry is 20 legally an adult (b. September 1984) and responsible for his own actions. I have no doubt it has been drilled into him by both him minders and experience that there is no place he can expect not to be photographed. When I was 20, or even much younger I would never ever had worn a swastika or any part of a nazi uniform, under any circumstances. I fail to see how a young person, educated at very expensive (and hopefully good) schools could fail to see how 'unfunny' the image would be to the majority of English society. I was horrified when I heard what he had done, and I don't have any particular connection to the holocaust. I think that horror is what you are seeing in the newspapers (and no doubt a lot of sensationalist mud raking). As for it being a private party, I think the police raids on gay men's S and M parties in the early 90's (?) which resulted in various convictions laid rest to any idea that private parties were private for anyone. As for what should happen to Harry, well it's not a criminal act to wear a swastika so that's that. But it does show him (and his minders) in a very poor light. cheers storm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/2005 From shalimar07 at aol.com Tue Jan 18 12:18:36 2005 From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:18:36 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice Message-ID: <12f.54c093c7.2f1e589c@aol.com> Mugglenet.com under Madam Rosemerta's recipes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com Tue Jan 18 13:46:12 2005 From: jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com (mooseming) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:46:12 -0000 Subject: belated mooseming mystery denial/apology Message-ID: Hi Jo here. Jo Sturgess. My real name is .. Jo Sturgess. Er sorry to disappoint (or not depending on your viewpoint). Feeling a tad sheepish for not clearing up the mystery (see post 120417 main site) sooner, I've been offline for a while due to relocating to Ireland, so missed my sudden and transitory rise to theory fodder. The experience of being Impostor!Jo (innocently I say) has been largely smug-making and I have spent many idle minutes (`hours' cry the cheap seats) reviewing posts mostly about ME. However, the spotlight has also been salutary. The complexion suffers. Those previously modest flaws and blemishes are prone to march upstage and demand star billing. May I humbly recommend that those of you desirous of dancing a mile in JKR's shoes invest in quality skin products first! Of course (being me, as I am, promise) I have a theory re revival of obscure postings. There has been for a while a general level of frustration. Ideas have been modelled, de bagged and re trousered so many times its all starting to resemble nothing so much as a French farce. We have, or so it would seem, run all our rabbits to ground. Then JKR finally set the date, promised fresh meat for the pot. So the store cupboards were raided, previously overlooked, unappetising items, deemed too meagre in the rich summer months were consumed in one last feeding frenzy. I just hope they didn't cause indigestion. Any similarity between my meandering musings and the Holy Rowling are entirely coincidental although for the nurture/nature debaters it maybe of some relevance that I am of a similar age, social class, background and culture. That probably explains the shared name too. Regards Jo From stevejjen at earthlink.net Tue Jan 18 14:15:22 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:15:22 -0000 Subject: belated mooseming mystery denial/apology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mooseming" wrote: > > Hi > > Jo here. > > Jo Sturgess. > > My real name is .. > > Jo Sturgess. > Any similarity between my meandering musings and the Holy Rowling > are entirely coincidental although for the nurture/nature debaters > it maybe of some relevance that I am of a similar age, social class, > background and culture. That probably explains the shared name too. LOL! Glad to see you found out about your 15 min. of fame. Your writing style *is* remarkably similar to JKR's, though. Just reading this post reminded me of her website. Hope to see you posting again, the re-hashing of your theories invigorated the list for quite awhile. Jen Reese, initials JLR in case anyone is wondering about pseudonyms ;). From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 14:19:32 2005 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:19:32 -0000 Subject: belated mooseming mystery denial/apology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mooseming" wrote: > > Hi > > Jo here. > > Jo Sturgess. > > My real name is .. > > Jo Sturgess. > > Any similarity between my meandering musings and the Holy Rowling > are entirely coincidental although for the nurture/nature debaters > it maybe of some relevance that I am of a similar age, social class, background and culture. That probably explains the shared name too. > > Regards > Jo Hi Jo, lol Don't apologise, please! We had entirely too much silly season fun doing it all, well at least I did. Welcome back! And I hope the weather is nice in Ireland right now. from Valky From redina at silverbloom.net Tue Jan 18 14:33:20 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:33:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: A Male Chastity Belt? Message-ID: <1924.4.47.27.204.1106058800.squirrel@4.47.27.204> Hm, not exactly worksafe: http://www.livejournal.com/users/dashing/646226.html echoe did some translation on the page: [[ The people that reply to that post say it's either A) A chastity belt B) A torture device. C) The ooooooooold non-medical version of viagra D) A strap-on for the lesbians of yore E) Something similar to what they've seen at a sexmuseum. ]] LOL! Seriously, looking at that makes me wonder if the testicles are squished or if it's like a double-preventative for eunuchs... let alone the device blocks the 'other exit'. Dina From sherriola at earthlink.net Tue Jan 18 15:08:48 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:08:48 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: LotR site question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003901c4fd6f$9dc0ec40$0400a8c0@pensive> Somehow, in the usual yahoo vagaries I missed Dina's post about the restricted LOTR list. The one that doesn't like movies. I do like the LOTR movies and would enjoy discussing them too. my one attempt to join a supposed LOTR email list was a couple years ago. I joined the list only to discover that it was some young girls who wanted to discuss orlando bloom and Elijah Wood. So I unsubscribed. I'm sure they are nice boys, but I'm in my 40's and slobbering over handsome 20 something actors wasn't my idea of LOTR discussion. it was pretty funny though. Dina, your post made me laugh about the list participants' feelings concerning movies! maybe, I'll have to create a list on my own. But yahoo makes it difficult for a blind person to create a list, unless someone can read the security image for you. So, I'll think about it and see if I can grab a sighted friend for that part. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: elady25 [mailto:imamommy at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:37 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: LotR site question Dina and Sherry, Thanks for your help. Encycolpedia of Arda was most like what I was looking for, but TORN is great, too. One of my favorite new findings is Emyn Arnen, a fansite dedicated to Faramir and Eowyn. Sherry, let me know if that discussion group is up and running. Thanks again! imamommy --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" wrote: > Sherry Gomes said: > > > > I'd be interested in an email discussion group like HP for grown ups, but > > for LOTR, but I've yet to find one. You might check out > > > > www.theonering.net > > > > I may not have the exact right syntax there, but it's a pretty popular > > site. > > Ah, TORN. I associated it more akin to HPANA and not the Lexicon. As to > the mailing list, I used to know one but I lost the link. Maybe try > asking http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=dargie --I *think* she > modded a restricted LOTR list which... well was of the LOTR intellectual > variety (i.e. movies are for plebes). > > Dina ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From bree4378 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 13:37:59 2005 From: bree4378 at yahoo.com (Sabrina) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:37:59 -0000 Subject: Intro and Inquiry Message-ID: Hello HPfGU members! My name is Sabrina and I live sunny Orlando, I am a fairly new HP fan. I got into the stories this past Thanksgiving, when my 15 year old cousin asked for POA Dvd as a birthday gift. She of course is a huge fan of the HP stories, and convinced me to read the first book to see that its not a "kiddy" book. She knew I liked adventure/fantasy stories..eg. Lord of the Rings. After reading the first book, I moved on to the second...then watched the first two films, before moving on to the third book, which I finished around Christmas. I recently saw the POA movie, and have started the fourth book (almost half way through already, I just can't put it down!) Needless to say, I find myself anticipating the fourth film and reading the other books. My profile name (weasleywellwisher) is based on the fact that I immediately fell in love with the Weasley family in the books, as well as the films. I think the way JKR has given character, personality, and support to these characters is (as my fave Ron would say)....Wicked! My inquiry to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about reading what is known as a "childrens" book? From bree4378 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 13:44:00 2005 From: bree4378 at yahoo.com (Sabrina) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:44:00 -0000 Subject: Are HP stars attending Oscars? Message-ID: With the Golden Globes gone by, does anyone know if the HP stars will be attending the Oscars next month? I heard Emma Watson is nominated for a young actor award at the British Oscars From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 17:10:55 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:10:55 -0000 Subject: Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sabrina" wrote: > My inquiry > to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about reading what is > known as a "childrens" book? Welcome, Sabrina! So you're another one who came to HP by word of mouth, and not because of the hype. I'm beginning to think the hype turns off more nonreaders than it ever attracts. Anyway, back to your question: I was not reluctant to pick up the first book, but that's probably because I'm *way* over 18 -- we had given the book to my daughter for a birthday present in 1999. I'll pick up one of the kids' books once in a while and dip into them, and fortunately HP was one of them. The rest, as they say, is history. I've never been reluctant to carry and read an HP book in public, either, for what it's worth. Annemehr From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 17:17:01 2005 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:17:01 -0000 Subject: Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sabrina" wrote: My inquiry to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about reading what is known as a "childrens" book? Juli now: I was pretty reluctant, I didn't even wanted to see the movies, I first saw them after CoS was out on DVD and a year or two later I was bored during the summer and my neighbor lent me the books, I read them all in about a week and when I got home I bought them all, now I've read them about 100 times each, and I've joined some discussion groups, in other words, I'm obsessed. Welcome!! From sherriola at earthlink.net Tue Jan 18 17:49:12 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:49:12 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009401c4fd86$05b41730$0400a8c0@pensive> Yes. I was about 43, when I read the first HP book. in fact, I hadn't even heard of them. Then a friend of mine got the audio book and asked me to read it with him. What? A book called Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's stone? Why would I want to read such a thing? A friend of his who was a school librarian had strongly recommended it. I decided to try it. Well, I was the one who got hooked, and I was hooked from the very first paragraph. Enjoy the addiction. They do seem to get under your skin! Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Sabrina [mailto:bree4378 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:38 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Intro and Inquiry Hello HPfGU members! My name is Sabrina and I live sunny Orlando, I am a fairly new HP fan. I got into the stories this past Thanksgiving, when my 15 year old cousin asked for POA Dvd as a birthday gift. She of course is a huge fan of the HP stories, and convinced me to read the first book to see that its not a "kiddy" book. She knew I liked adventure/fantasy stories..eg. Lord of the Rings. After reading the first book, I moved on to the second...then watched the first two films, before moving on to the third book, which I finished around Christmas. I recently saw the POA movie, and have started the fourth book (almost half way through already, I just can't put it down!) Needless to say, I find myself anticipating the fourth film and reading the other books. My profile name (weasleywellwisher) is based on the fact that I immediately fell in love with the Weasley family in the books, as well as the films. I think the way JKR has given character, personality, and support to these characters is (as my fave Ron would say)....Wicked! My inquiry to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about reading what is known as a "childrens" book? ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From lunalovegood at shaw.ca Tue Jan 18 18:11:35 2005 From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (Dan Feeney) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:11:35 -0000 Subject: Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sabrina wrote: > My inquiry to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about > reading what is known as a "childrens" book? Juli: > I was pretty reluctant, I didn't even wanted to see the > movies, I first saw them after CoS was out on DVD and a year or two > later I was bored during the summer and my neighbor lent me the > books, I read them all in about a week and when I got home I bought > them all, now I've read them about 100 times each, and I've joined > some discussion groups, in other words, I'm obsessed. Dan: Surprisingly, I did more or less the same thing as Juli - for me, it was watching the PS DVD with my son, and then reading the first four books in a week. I was in the midnight line-up for OotP... Even stranger now, I actually have HP tinkets... my latest is a simple rectangular POA DVD release button, the one with Watson. I never tire of quoting JKR in real world situations, when applicable, and never really tire of discussing certain elements of the books. The movies are purely for fun. However, you will NEVER catch me making any judgements about that slimey piece of work Snape, for example. Dan From maritajan at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 18:26:12 2005 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:26:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050118182612.27866.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> > Sabrina wrote: > > My inquiry to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about > > reading what is known as a "childrens" book? I just wanted to join the crowd who's responding. My kids kept telling me I needed to read the books and I kept putting it off. I finally got bored and picked up the first one, then the second one....and so on and so forth. Now, I'm really and truly hooked and my kids think they've created a monster! :) I also have HP stuff that I treasure, including an HP charm bracelet and my very own time-turner necklace. I'm looking for a replica of the broach that McGonagall wears in the movies, so if anyone knows where I can find one.... And I really want a Firebolt. I want to hang it on the wall in my den. MJ ===== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a real estate professional? Visit my site at www.maritabush.com With Marita, great service comes first.....and lasts! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 18:55:31 2005 From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:55:31 -0000 Subject: * Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HI! I hadn't heard about HP until the 1st Movie came out. I'm the type of person that I like to read a book before I see a Movie, if there is a book to be read. That's how I got H O O K E D ! ! ! Being a single MOM of 3 and over 50 {now}, most people who haven't read or understand the movies think that I'm nut's, but once they give it a try, 98 persent of them turn out to like H P, even if they won't say so out loud ! ! ! Gail in IND --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sabrina" wrote: > > > Hello HPfGU members! My name is Sabrina and I live sunny Orlando, I > am a fairly new HP fan. I got into the stories this past > Thanksgiving, when my 15 year old cousin asked for POA Dvd as a > birthday gift. She of course is a huge fan of the HP stories, and > convinced me to read the first book to see that its not a "kiddy" > book. She knew I liked adventure/fantasy stories..eg. Lord of the > Rings. After reading the first book, I moved on to the second...then > watched the first two films, before moving on to the third book, > which I finished around Christmas. I recently saw the POA movie, and > have started the fourth book (almost half way through already, I just > can't put it down!) Needless to say, I find myself anticipating the > fourth film and reading the other books. My profile name > (weasleywellwisher) is based on the fact that I immediately fell in > love with the Weasley family in the books, as well as the films. I > think the way JKR has given character, personality, and support to > these characters is (as my fave Ron would say)....Wicked! My inquiry > to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about reading what is > known as a "childrens" book? From saraandra at saraandra.plus.com Tue Jan 18 18:53:06 2005 From: saraandra at saraandra.plus.com (amanitamuscaria1) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:53:06 -0000 Subject: belated mooseming mystery denial/apology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mooseming" wrote: > > Hi > > Jo here. > > Jo Sturgess. > > My real name is .. > > Jo Sturgess. > > Er sorry to disappoint (or not depending on your viewpoint). > > Feeling a tad sheepish for not clearing up the mystery (see post > 120417 main site) sooner, I've been offline for a while due to > relocating to Ireland, so missed my sudden and transitory rise to > theory fodder. > AmanitaMuscaria now - Aaaawwwww! Couldn't you have strung us on a little? Anyhow, I always thought Ireland had its own incomparable beauty product - that lovely soft wet weather - Mother Nature's own moisturiser! Cheers. AmanitaMuscaria From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 21:02:51 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:02:51 -0000 Subject: Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice In-Reply-To: <1e2.334f502b.2f1dfe9d@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/17/2005 6:48:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > tonks_op at y... writes: > > Hi: > > Does anyone know of a site that tell you how to make any of the > Harry Potter drinks and food?? > > Tonks > ************************************ > Chancie: > > I believe Steve said that there was a recipe for Butterbeer on > Lexicon, And he gave one in a post...sorry I don't keep up with post numbers, > > I believe he said that you make it with cream soda and butterscotch > icecream topping. > > Hope that helps! bboyminn: Butterbeer- That was my recipe, but I'm not Lexicon Steve, I'm the other Steve. (vanilla) creme soda and some type of Butterscotch/butterrum flavoring is tollerable. I used ice cream topping because it's easiest to find, but they sometimes have concentrated flavorings in the baking section of the grocery story. These would probably work better because it takes at most a teaspoon of flavoring (more likely, a few drops) and that makes mixing it in easier. I've tried other recipes that use rootbeer, but they aren't too great. In fact, don't expect any recipe you find to be as 'whiz-bang' as they make it sound in the books. Another alternative, is to take Club Soda or Mineral Water, add your butterscotch flavoring and sweeten to taste. The problem is any soda is going to want to fizzy all over the place when sugar is added to it. So it can get really messy. So, it's best to find a specialty drink, natural creme soda. Adding the flavoring is not that hard, although blending or mixing it in can sometimes thick ice cream topping can be a little messy. I recommend you add just enough butterscotch flavor to give it just a hint of flavor. I really is a strong and sickly sweet taste, and while it makes great hard candy and ice cream topping, it's not the best soft drink in the world. Pumpkin juice- Well, the obvious answer here is to get a juicer and run some pumpkin flesh through it. I've often eaten raw pumpkin flesh, and I actually like it. The only problem is pumpkin flesh is not very juicy, so you don't get much juice for your effort. As an alternative, you can take apple juice and add pumpkin spice, the type that is used in making pumpkin pie. Or if you really want more of a pumpkin taste, get some canned pumpkin, again the type used for making pumpkin pie and make a smoothie. Keep in mind, like many cooked foods, canned pumpkin doesn't taste that much like raw pumpkin flesh. Although, few people have probably eaten raw pumpkin flesh, so they will never know. Pumpkin Smoothie- (the best option) Using a blender, add ice, fruit juice (like apple juice), maybe some vanilla or pumpkin pie flavor yogurt (I've seen this), add some canned pumpkin (just to make it authentic), add a dash of pumpkin spice, and blend. Blending it with ice and yogurt help keep the canned pumpkin from either falling to the bottom or floating tp the top (not sure which it would do). In reality, pumpkin juice is pure fiction. As I pointed out, pumpkin flesh while very edible, are not very juicy. So, to get the quantities of pumpkin juice we see in the books, they have to be juicing thousands of large pumpkins; completely impractical. Just passing it along. Steve/bboyminn From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 18 21:55:13 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:55:13 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice Message-ID: <1df.333d10a7.2f1edfc1@aol.com> In a message dated 1/18/2005 1:15:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, bboyminn at yahoo.com writes: > ************************************ > Chancie: > > I believe Steve said that there was a recipe for Butterbeer on > Lexicon, And he gave one in a post...sorry I don't keep up with post numbers, > > I believe he said that you make it with cream soda and butterscotch > icecream topping. > > Hope that helps! bboyminn: Butterbeer- That was my recipe, but I'm not Lexicon Steve, I'm the other Steve. **************************************** Chancie: Sorry for the confusion. I ment to say that YOU had given me a recipe, and that SOMEONE told me that there was suposed to be a recipe on Lexicon as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 19 00:59:13 2005 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:59:13 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you can stand to look at another take on the topic, here's a like to Mark Steyn, the HL Mencken of the 21st Century (you'll have to copy the address and paste it in your browser). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml? xml=/opinion/2005/01/18/do1802.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2005/01/18/ixopinio n.html - CMC From tonks_op at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 02:02:38 2005 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:02:38 -0000 Subject: Need Help with Runes Message-ID: Anyone know of a site that shows the runes so I can interpret what is written on the firebolt broom? Ok to write me off list. Thanks, Tonks From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca Wed Jan 19 02:15:26 2005 From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee Chase) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:15:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need Help with Runes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050119021526.88893.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> Tonks wrote: Anyone know of a site that shows the runes so I can interpret what is written on the firebolt broom? Ok to write me off list. Thanks, Tonks Luckdragon: This is the one I've been using: http://sunnyway.com/runes/meanings.html ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 03:53:19 2005 From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:53:19 -0000 Subject: Need Help with Runes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" wrote: > > Anyone know of a site that shows the runes so I can interpret what > is written on the firebolt broom? Ok to write me off list. > > Thanks, > Tonks Hi Tonks. the sunny way site is very good. That si the link that Brenda gave you, i have been using it too. BTW : Which reference to the firebolt are you talking about? Is it a picture? Valky | | | | | | Answers are coming in HBP. How are we doing with the questions? Submit _your_ OWL essays to Row 97 today... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Prophecy_Orb/ * * * | | | | _Signum Orbis_ From jillily3g at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 05:53:43 2005 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:53:43 -0000 Subject: Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" wrote: > > Hi: > > Does anyone know of a site that tell you how to make any of the > Harry Potter drinks and food?? > > Tonks These are links to sites with recipes I've used for my class. One of their favorites is always gummy frogs dipped in chocolate. I think it sounds disgusting, but it's always a big hit! http://www.britta.com/hogwarts/recipes.html http://www.whitten.demon.co.uk/potter/food.htm http://www.fronskiefeint.com/recipes.shtml I know I have more recipes, but I think they must be in a book somewhere around here... Beth From jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com Wed Jan 19 09:46:32 2005 From: jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com (mooseming) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:46:32 -0000 Subject: belated mooseming mystery denial/apology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amanitamuscaria1" wrote: > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mooseming" > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Jo here. > > > > Jo Sturgess. > > > > My real name is .. > > > > Jo Sturgess. > > > > Er sorry to disappoint (or not depending on your viewpoint). > > > > Feeling a tad sheepish for not clearing up the mystery (see post > > 120417 main site) sooner, I've been offline for a while due to > > relocating to Ireland, so missed my sudden and transitory rise to > > theory fodder. > > > > > AmanitaMuscaria now - > Aaaawwwww! > Couldn't you have strung us on a little? > > Ah indeed, such base thoughts did crawl out from beneath the rocks of my mind! However, this site is a kind of love affair with the books and one doesn't play fast and loose with trust when dealing with love! On a more prosaic note, if the site were awash with Imposter!Jos then what chance our identification of the Holy Rowling were she truly to come and call? Regards Jo From timregan at microsoft.com Wed Jan 19 10:18:02 2005 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:18:02 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, Steve wrote: >>> Britain has far too many atrocities associated with it's own uniform to be casting stones at Prince Harry for an ill-chosen fancy dress costume. <<< The evils of Nazi Germany are a huge and dangerous topic (I think such analogies were banned from the main list for this reason). Brits may be offended by Steve's comments because it raises our atrocities to the level of evil displayed by the Nazis, and Jews may be offended because it lowers the sense of outrage against the Nazi's "Final Solution" to that against the British colonial atrocities. But I'd like to take Steve's comments in a more personal way and endorse them. All to frequently people look at the atrocities perpetrated by Nazi Germany and think of the Nazis as subhuman. So the evil they did is at best a historic event that we should establish political mechanisms to prevent reoccurring, or at worse an irrelevance to us. But I'm troubled by the question "What would I have done?" Would I have been brave and actively resisted Nazi evil (I hope so)? Or would I have been cowardly and tried to blend in with the prevailing mores of that society? Or would I have been seduced by their rhetoric and allowed that evil us to rise up and become what I considered right; would I have actively joined in? Points like Steve's encourage me to examine myself, my sense of right and wrong, and my ability to stand up against prevailing moral failures. But back to Prince Harry. It was clearly a stupid thing to do. He should sit down and examine whatever motive lead him to that choice of costume, though I doubt the press hysteria has left him with the personal space to do that honestly. But he is a young man, and like all young people we should allow him some failures of taste and decency, that's just part of growing up. When I was young I did several stupid things and I'm glad those around me haven't held them against me. We should do the same for Harry. Cheers, Dumbledad. PS This is a quick reply in 10 minutes snatched between meetings at work ? if I'm repeating what's been said by others on this thread already please accept my appologies. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jan 19 13:00:47 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:00:47 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve wrote: > Further, the overblown, hyper-inflated, inflamed response of the media > has nothing to do with Harry's offense, and everything to do with > feeding the fire in order to make money. Well, not far from the truth, but it's not saying much. I don't know what the response of the American media has been, but in Britain the newspaper market is ruthlessly competitive and any newspaper that did not give its readers what they want would not survive long. We must therefore presume, in default of evidence to the contrary, that the media frenzy was more or less what the public wants, and is prepared to pay for. I trust, Steve, that *you* did not compromise yourself by paying for any kind of news service that gave prominence to this story. ;-) David From kcawte at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 19 13:06:02 2005 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:06:02 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... References: Message-ID: <001701c4fe27$a1c5a200$69206bd5@kathryn> > I trust, Steve, that *you* did not compromise yourself by paying for > any kind of news service that gave prominence to this story. > > ;-) > > David > > > Well it's all very well saying that it must be an example of what the public wants but unfortunately *every* newspaper went with the story - so there was no way of buying one that didn't to make a point. It was put up with the coverage or go without a newspaper. And not everyone who buys a newspaper does so because they endorse its content - my dad buys the Sun whenever he runs out of papers to put down for the dog to pee on .... ;) K From shalimar07 at aol.com Wed Jan 19 13:25:17 2005 From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:25:17 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need Help with Runes Message-ID: I found this site has the clearest information available....._Runes_ (http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa082702a.htm) Good Luck. MumWeasley7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From redina at silverbloom.net Wed Jan 19 13:47:44 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:47:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: I saw a VW 'Beetle' with the Beatles painted on Message-ID: <3267.4.47.27.249.1106142464.squirrel@4.47.27.249> Reminiscent of the car (Cruiser on eBay) with the HP paintwork... Yesterday, I saw a white Volkswagen 'Beetle' (the new model) with the four Beatles painted in B&W on the side while doing walk-in resumes. I did a double-take and was like 'a Beetle with the Beatles!' :-) Creative. Dina From spin01 at aol.com Wed Jan 19 15:07:07 2005 From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:07:07 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: <001701c4fe27$a1c5a200$69206bd5@kathryn> Message-ID: > > And not everyone who buys a newspaper does so because they endorse its > content - my dad buys the Sun whenever he runs out of papers to put down for > the dog to pee on .... ;) > > K Well you dad knows what those kinds of papers are really good for lol. I live in the US. It was on the front lower corner of our paper. 1 day. that is about how much my town cares about what prince harry is doing lol. It is only papers like the sun, star, inquirer etc that are still printing stuff about it. In the US kids do stupid things every day. You jump up and down yell and move on. sherry From barbfulton at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 16:54:20 2005 From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:54:20 -0000 Subject: Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sabrina wrote: > Hello HPfGU members! My name is Sabrina and I live sunny Orlando. My inquiry > to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about reading what is > known as a "childrens" book? Barb now: Welcome Sabrina! I'm Barb, and I live in the not-so-sunny-right-now, but darned cold Minnesota. I have been reading HP for several years. I had no interest in reading HP when it came out. When a number of my adult friends would talk about how much they loved it, I wouldn't say anything, but I would think "what are you talking about? It's a KIDS book!" After my dad (a minister, BTW) started talking about how much he liked the books and my sister (in seminary) was talking about them, I thought I would give SS/PS a try, so I bought it in paperback. Read it in 2 days. Same thing with book 2 and 3. I was actually late to work a couple of times because I wanted to get in a "couple of pages" before I left for work. A couple of pages would turn into a couple of chapters! By the time book 4 came out, I pre- ordered it, anticipated it for months, and read it in 3 days. I've read each book dozens of times. Maybe 6 months or so ago I found the HPfGU lists, and finally I have something to tide me over until July (although I rarely post)! So yes, I was very reluctant to read a "children's series" before I read them, but now I'm a fully-fledged HP junkie! -Barb From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 17:58:20 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:58:20 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Seeking Perspective In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > > Hi All, > > Steve wrote: > >>> Britain has far too many atrocities associated with it's own > uniform to be casting stones at Prince Harry for an ill-chosen fancy > dress costume. <<< > Dumbledad: > > The evils of Nazi Germany are a huge and dangerous topic ... > > But I'd like to take Steve's comments in a more personal way and > endorse them. ... But I'm troubled by the question "What would I > have done?" Would I have been brave and actively resisted Nazi evil > (I hope so)? ... Points like Steve's encourage me to examine myself, > ..., and my ability to stand up against prevailing moral failures. > > But back to Prince Harry. It was clearly a stupid thing to do. He > should sit down and examine whatever motive lead him to that choice > of costume, though I doubt the press hysteria has left him with the > personal space to do that honestly. ... When I was young I did > several stupid things and I'm glad those around me haven't held them > against me. We should do the same for Harry. > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad. bboyminn: In case you haven't read this entire thread, let me refer you to a couple other posts in this thread, so I don't have to repeat myself at length. bboyminn: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25727 Caius Marcius: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25746 Caius posted a link to a British journalist who took a far more realistic position. That link was broken by Yahoo's wordwrap, so I will post it again. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/01/18/do1802.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2005/01/18/ixopinion.html This is an Opinion piece by Mark Steyn from which I will quote the leading sentence. "It's a good rule of thumb that, no matter how big an idiot someone is, he can never compete with the political class's response to his idiocy." One must ask if a valid legal party costume is sufficient for the British government to waste it's time holding meetings, making press releases, and forming committees. Thousands, if not millions, in taxpayers money is being wasted on this. That's simply too much because Prince Harry did something in bad taste. In my previous post, linked to above, I point out that I am not trying to demonize the British, or minimize what happened to the Jews and other people under the Nazis. I am simply making a plea for reasonable prespective. My reference to the British is simply pointing out that I too can adopt a ridiculous hyper-inflamed over-blown out-of-proportion waste-of-time-and-money position that is none the less based in truth. The only thing that made this a story was the fact that they had photo that they could splash across the front page. Lacking that photo to put on the cover of the newspaper, the story would have hardly gotten a mention, and would have blown over immediately. The newspapers are only in it for the money. I remember seeing an extremely blurred, barely recognizable tabloid photo of Prince William walking back from the corner grocery store. The simple fact that they had a photo was enough to get William on the front page, and the newspaper managed to manufacture a controversial story out of that photo with a lot of pointless, unfounded, and overblown speculation about William's alledged girlfriend and what terrible things they might be doing behind closed doors, and whether she was good enough for the darling prince they were in the process of scandalizing. A total non-story, filled with over-blown, hyper-inflated, unfounded, none-of-their-damn-business speculation. The politicians on the other hand are simply seizing this opportunity to get their name in the paper. God forbid that they should do anything about war, famine, plague, or the atrocities of dictators and tyrants. OOOHHHHH NOOOOOOO, those aren't nearly as important as Harry's party costume. And finally, as Mike Steyn of the Telegraph points out, this costume came from a costume shop. Anyone can and does walk in off the street and rent one. And most important of all, there is absolutely no sign that this was anything other than a party costume. As I said, Harry isn't/wasn't goose-stepping down Oxford Street shouting 'white power' slogans. There is no indication that he took the meaning behind the costume seriously, and the casual way he wore the uniform clearly showed no serious respect for it. So, Harry isn't a Nazi, he simply went to a fancy dress party. I will also say again, that he was probably drawn to it for no reason other than he liked the military look, and that it make a simple convenient costume to wear. To show you my perspective on the young Royals, a while back when Harry punch an intrusive photographer outside a night club, I thought he should have given the lout a swift kick in the bum while he was at it. If anything, in my opinion, his response was too restrained. I also think the Royals and other celebrities should be able to copyright their images. Since the media has turned those images into a big money industry, the Nazi!Harry photo brought 10,000 Pounds ($18,724), the celebrities should be able to get a royalty of the use of their image. I can't think of any other industry in which a person can make many thousands of dollars off of you without you also getting fair compensation. I think the amount they pay the celebrity should at least be equal to the amount paid to the photographer. I think that should be tempered with some 'fair news standards', but the current system has gone far far far beyond fair. Just one man's opinion. Steve/bboyminn From kcawte at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 19 19:19:05 2005 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:19:05 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Seeking Perspective References: Message-ID: <005001c4fe5b$bf93f3c0$69206bd5@kathryn> > To show you my perspective on the young Royals, a while back when > Harry punch an intrusive photographer outside a night club, I thought > he should have given the lout a swift kick in the bum while he was at > it. If anything, in my opinion, his response was too restrained. > > I'm with you on that as well. If someone shoved a camera in my face in the early hours of the morning after I'd been out partying I'd hit them too - and I don't have the added benefit of a couple of Special Branch Officers who would probably take it personally if the photographer tried to retaliate. In fact if I recall Harry had a girl with him and was trying to keep the photographer from getting pics of her - I think this almost counts as chivalry, rather than a misdemeanour. I have no problem with the press intruding on the privacy of someone who is committing a crime. I'll even give them a pass on chasing down politicians whose actions in private (an affair or whatever) are in direct contrast to their public pronouncements i.e. if you're making policy statements on single mothers (and how they're responsible for all societal woes, which is one of the key hobbyhorses for politicians wanting to get into the papers) while getting your secretary pregnant you're fair game. Other than that I think people deserve privacy. Frankly I don't care if Harry wants to spend his spare time goose-stepping around Highgrove wearing a leather trench coat and effecting a limp or if Tony Blair wants to dress up as Maggie Thatcher on his days off (ugh - can I blame the medications I'm on for those fairly freaky mental images?). And I say again this was front page news (to the exclusion of everything else in most cases) on the day the photos became public - seriously did *nothing* else newsworthy happen in the world in the preceding 24 hours? K From lhuntley at fandm.edu Wed Jan 19 19:19:13 2005 From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:19:13 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Seeking Perspective In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011135EF-6A4F-11D9-98B0-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu> Steve (Hi, Steve!) said: > "It's a good rule of thumb that, no matter how big an idiot someone > is, he can never compete with the political class's response to his > idiocy." > > One must ask if a valid legal party costume is sufficient for the > British government to waste it's time holding meetings, making press > releases, and forming committees. Thousands, if not millions, in > taxpayers money is being wasted on this. That's simply too much > because Prince Harry did something in bad taste. I am reminded strongly of the Janet Jackson scandal. This is very much IMHO, but I felt like the breast incident garnered an even larger amount of ridiculousness (and, of course, a *ton* of wasted money) over a much smaller offense. I suppose what it all comes down to is that people love to find things to be outraged about from time to time, because . . . well, life gets pretty boring otherwise. Personally, I can't believe anyone in Harry's position (that is, in the public spotlight) could be so stupid and arrogant as to wear such a disgusting symbol that has such a personal and tragic meaning for so many people. However, I do think that the response against it has been far overblown, mainly for the amusement of the masses. *thinks* Actually, I'll probably be eaten alive for saying this, but part of me is sort of . . . heartened by the fact that the outcry against it *was* so over-the-top. If the blind throng of society can get as worked up over a symbol of anti-Semitism as they can over a threat to their precious "family-values", perhaps there is hope for this world yet. ^_~ Just kidding. Sort of. Laura (who thinks she will not make it through this winter. Brrr.) P.S. Facebook is sweeping my campus like . . . well, like the Stalking Made Easy tool that it is. *is afraid* P.P.S. On the other hand: Weee! Stalking! ^_^ From msbeadsley at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 19:25:34 2005 From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:25:34 -0000 Subject: Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > These are links to sites with recipes I've used for my class. One of > their favorites is always gummy frogs dipped in chocolate. I think > it sounds disgusting, but it's always a big hit! > Beth Okay, now I really do have to jump in re: gummy bears. We (my sweetie & I) have been trying for years to duplicate our original Gummy Bear Jello. The first time we did it, the gummies melted *just enough* so that when you ate it, the area immediately surrounding what was left of the gummies registered as *furry* to your tongue. It sounds disgusting, but it was lovely. Unfortunately, each time we've tried it since the gummies have either melted entirely away or not enough. Feel free to experiment. Sandy (Hi, all) From msbeadsley at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 19:35:20 2005 From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:35:20 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > an irrelevance to us. But I'm troubled by the question "What would > I have done?" Would I have been brave and actively resisted Nazi > evil (I hope so)? Or would I have been cowardly and tried to blend > in with the prevailing mores of that society? Or would I have been > seduced by their rhetoric and allowed that evil us to rise up and > become what I considered right; would I have actively joined in? I used to wonder the same thing about slavery in the U.S. I'm from Kentucky, where the answer to the abolition question was answered closer to 50-50 for/against than most places. I finally decided I couldn't know, because I have no choice but to see the issue from a historical perspective where the answer is clear. All I can do is hope, and remember the question when an opportunity to do the right thing in current context is presented. If Harry were a child of mine, I'd be deeply disappointed in his choice, and wondering where I dropped the ball. At the least I'd be wondering where he got the idea that Hitler et al were something to be taken lightly. Sandy From bleckybecs at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 19:35:07 2005 From: bleckybecs at yahoo.com (Rebecca) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:35:07 -0000 Subject: Intro and Inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Barb Fulton" wrote: > > Sabrina wrote: > > > Hello HPfGU members! My name is Sabrina and I live sunny > Orlando. My inquiry > > to you all is....was anyone (over 18) reluctant about reading what > is > > known as a "childrens" book? > Hi I was a little reluctant to read the books, not just because of them being childrens books, but also because I'm a Christian, as are my parents who were totally against the idea. After going on holiday the year OOTP was released with our very good friends from England, and spotting one of them reading it (he is a Vicar), I thought maybe they weren't so bad. So next time I was stuck in an airport with my plane delayed (fairly normal as I'm not from mainland England, but I'm at university on the mainland) and was looking for something to read, I picked up Harry Potter. I'd read all 5 available within 3 days and have re-read them many times since. You could say I've caught the bug! My parents views appear to have relaxed a little since they know I've read them and don't I don't have a broomstick or cauldron (yet!! :-) ), but I still don't think they'll read them. My brother would find it far too hard going to read any book the length of PS / SS because of the illness he has, so I'm grateful to this place as somewhere to discuss the books with people who also have the bug and aren't just guessing at something they have no basis for. (btw - my Mum loved LOTR, so I just don't get why she was SOOO against HP.) wonders - Have I rambled on enough yet? people fallen to sleep over this yet?........... ok. time to go Becky From saraandra at saraandra.plus.com Wed Jan 19 21:30:37 2005 From: saraandra at saraandra.plus.com (amanitamuscaria1) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:30:37 -0000 Subject: belated mooseming mystery denial/apology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mooseming" > > wrote: > On a more prosaic note, if the site were awash with Imposter!Jos > then what chance our identification of the Holy Rowling were she > truly to come and call? > > Regards > Jo AmanitaMuscaria again - Of course, you're right. But one can still harbour little deluded hopes ... perhaps the celtic fringe breeds them. Oddly enough, I don't remember there being any quasi-Rowlings on the sites. I suspect it wouldn't be an easy deception to carry off. Cheers. AmanitaMuscaria From bleckybecs at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 23:15:24 2005 From: bleckybecs at yahoo.com (Rebecca) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:15:24 -0000 Subject: My clever son! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "laura" wrote: > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Leeann McCullough" > wrote: > > I am truly sorry if this has been noted before. My 10 year old son > and I were talking about the "meaning" of Dumbledore (bumble bee) and > Voldemort (death). He said to me, "Mom, is that why DD didn't try to > kill Vold. at the Ministry of Magic? Because you know after a bee > stings, it dies!" > > Wow, I have been contemplating that on and off for a year or so, > but never came to that conclusion. What a clever child! > > > > Leeann McCullough > > Wow! That is clever. I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned before. > It's such a simple idea, and yet it's like we miss the obvious things > in our search for the most complicated theories. It could very well > be a link, I've always wondered why JK gave Dumbledore his name. I > thought it could be linked to his animagus form, if he has one. > Thanks for sharing! > > Laura* I love this idea so much that I really don't want to make this post (so anyone who can show me to be wrong, please please go ahead!!) It seems to me that this doesn't work, simply because we've already been told in PS / SS that DD is 'famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald'. (pg.77 in my copy) Wouldn't this have used his one sting? Becky From saitaina at frontiernet.net Thu Jan 20 00:38:32 2005 From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:38:32 -0800 Subject: Gummy Bears Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Livejounal problems References: <000901c4fab2$d5c50c80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <2968.4.47.27.235.1105907929.squirrel@4.47.27.235> <003801c4fc1b$d05ba500$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <3481.4.47.27.244.1105932607.squirrel@4.47.27.244> Message-ID: <00f801c4fe88$5f20a9c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Dina wrote: *blinks* I'm in shock. I think any author should be prepared for people to pick their stories apart, but ESPECIALLY fan girly idiots who can't write, fell asleep in English class, haven't yet mastered a human language, and decide that the most outrageous idea you could think of should be written and posted on the internet for the horror of readers who actually give it a chance. Not saying I'm the best writer there is, and I've done some STUPID things with my fanfictions (the entirety of my Buffy and Anita Blake career being one) but still...something really do need to stay in someone's head. Saitaina **** "I will not lick the manga...I will not lick the manga..." I'm cute... and a psycho. Hm, it evens out! http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina "No, one day I'm going to look back on all this and plow face-first into a tree because I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll still be having a better day than I am today." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 15:21:54 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:21:54 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "msbeadsley" wrote: > If Harry were a child of mine, I'd be deeply disappointed in his > choice, and wondering where I dropped the ball. At the least I'd be > wondering where he got the idea that Hitler et al were something to > be taken lightly. > > Sandy Actually, I'm beginning to think the *only* thing he did wrong was not to realise the trouble he was going to cause himself and his family in the event of being photographed like that. Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? I'm partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as Stalin, I'd think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. I'm Catholic; if I saw someone dressed up as the devil, or a Borgia pope, I'd think the devil and Boria deserved to be made fun of, too. It's because they all had a seriously overinflated opinion of themselves and their desires. Steve's right. Geez, you'd think there weren't any present-day murderous tyrants around to worry about; for some reason, they seem to get more respectful treatment than poor Prince Harry. Annemehr From sroginson at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 20 15:40:06 2005 From: sroginson at sbcglobal.net (stephen roginson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:40:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050120154006.41077.qmail@web81507.mail.yahoo.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "msbeadsley" wrote: > If Harry were a child of mine, I'd be deeply disappointed in his > choice, and wondering where I dropped the ball. At the least I'd be > wondering where he got the idea that Hitler et al were something to > be taken lightly. > > Sandy Annemehr wrote: Actually, I'm beginning to think the *only* thing he did wrong was not to realise the trouble he was going to cause himself and his family in the event of being photographed like that. Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? I'm partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as Stalin, I'd think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. I'm Catholic; if I saw someone dressed up as the devil, or a Borgia pope, I'd think the devil and Boria deserved to be made fun of, too. It's because they all had a seriously overinflated opinion of themselves and their desires. Steve's right. Geez, you'd think there weren't any present-day murderous tyrants around to worry about; for some reason, they seem to get more respectful treatment than poor Prince Harry. Annemehr This is my first post in the OT world - normally sit on the sidelines and watch. I completely agree that this costume thing has been totally blown out of proportion. Harry is a kid for crying out loud. Was it stupid? Sure...but not especially so. Wearing the costume wasn't intended as some sort of flattery for the Nazi party or Hitler...it was a frickin' costume. It's not like he decided to go skin-head and march in the street - he was playing dress up with his ritzy friends... Must have been a slow news day and the tabloids stoked the fire...everyone loves a controvercy. SR ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From naama_gat at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 16:20:31 2005 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:20:31 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? I'm > partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as Stalin, I'd > think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. I'm Catholic; if I > saw someone dressed up as the devil, or a Borgia pope, I'd think the > devil and Boria deserved to be made fun of, too. It's because they > all had a seriously overinflated opinion of themselves and their desires. > > I think, actually, that if Prince Harry had dressed as Hitler, it wouldn't have raised such a stink. It was him standing there, all nonchalant like, with a swastika on his arm, that freaks people out. I think. Especially as there are neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers around - it's not a historical phase that is completely dead and buried. I think the media has blown it out of proportion, obviously, but you know what? Swastikas just aren't funny. Sixty years may seem like a long time, but the fact is that the trauma hasn't yet faded. Naama From tahewitt at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 16:54:36 2005 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:54:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dumbledore's 'sting' In-Reply-To: <1106232273.1806.79089.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20050120165437.92182.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com> The 'defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald' may not have used Dumbledore's one sting. It depends on the definition of the word 'defeat', and the nature of a 'sting' for a bumblebee animagus. Does defeat mean kill? Does one have to kill someone in order to have stung them? If we don't know these answers, we can't be sure that DD has ever used his 'stinger'. On a vaguely related note, I had a theory going for a while that has been partially debunked by the prophecy in OoP (at least it needs a good reworking). Basically, my idea was that Harry was created specifically to fight Voldemort-that Lily and James used magics during Harry's conception to ensure that he would eventually defeat him. Here's a bit from that old post that relates to Dumbledore: "I suggest that the name Dumbledore has meaning. Dumbledore is old English for bumblebee. What does a bumblebee do? Pollinate. In its search for nectar, a bumblebee spreads pollen, fertilising flowers (in The Botany of Desire, author Michael Pollen refres to bees as flying penises). Dumbledore could have been the one who cast the spell, or gathered ingredients, or otherwise helped Lily and James pollinate their special creation. JKR has apperantly claimed that she just liked the word dumbledore, but we wouldent expect her to divulge a clue that large, would we? One more small tidbit about bumbebees-they are solitary, they dont hive like other bees. Sounds a little like Dumbledore, doesnt it?" Tyler _______ Becky replied to someone elses post: I love this idea so much that I really don't want to make this post (so anyone who can show me to be wrong, please please go ahead!!) It seems to me that this doesn't work, simply because we've already been told in PS / SS that DD is 'famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald'. (pg.77 in my copy) Wouldn't this have used his one sting? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kcawte at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 20 18:10:44 2005 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:10:44 -0000 Subject: Inaugeration Message-ID: <000901c4ff1b$5d9014e0$69206bd5@kathryn> I just heard a clip from the swearing in of the VP and I have to wonder what sadistic person wrote that oath. One line runs "without mental reservation or purpose of evasion", good grief, say that ten times fast! I wonder how many times they rehearse the oaths - bearing in mind the line obviously meant to be quoted from Bush's speech yesterday was a lot simpler and he fluffed it and had to start again. And on that note 'we have a calling from beyond the stars'? (that may not be an exact quote because fortunately they've stopped showing it every fifteen minutes now we have an actual Inaugural speech to quote instead) I've heard better writing on day time soap operas. What the heck does that actually mean? To me it sounded like a presidential way of saying 'I hear these voices ...' I can't be the only West Wing fan here and my first thought was to imagine what Toby would say about that, actually that could be quite amusing - I feel a vignette coming on - does anyone know where I can get a transcript? K "The Loudest Noise Comes From The Electric Minerva." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jan 20 18:34:33 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:34:33 -0000 Subject: My clever son! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rebecca wrote, about the 'one sting' theory: > It seems to me that this doesn't work, simply because we've already > been told in PS / SS that DD is 'famous for his defeat of the dark > wizard Grindelwald'. (pg.77 in my copy) Wouldn't this have used his > one sting? Surely another objection is that if Dumbledore thought he could eliminate Voldemort at the cost of his own life, he'd do it? "The next great adventure" and all that, eh? Presumable it will turn out that Harry's task is to cast the One Sting into the Hairy McBoon, in the land of Hogwarts where the broomsticks fly. David From redina at silverbloom.net Thu Jan 20 22:31:33 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:31:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: OMG! RE: job hunting Message-ID: <1785.4.47.27.199.1106260293.squirrel@4.47.27.199> I'm in shock. I've been submitting applications to Walmart, Target, Borders, etc. on retail stores... I wasn't getting anywhere, so I went back to what I had some training in (corporate level office - but still had a sad paycheck and stressed out memories) and... the two places I went to today both said I have an impressive resume for small office work?! Let me add in more ???? For years, either I just went to the wrong work environments or... ???? I thought I had a sorry-ass resume. Evidently, one place wants me to start Monday and the other is highly considering me. I went with the one that definitely said I was in, although, I'll have to refresh my Mac skills since they don't use PCs. Oh, I'm wondering if I made the right choice. Both had nice folk but the one I decided on was a little bit closer. Since I underestimated my employability, I also submitted an application to a staffing company and they're expecting me to come in tomorrow for an aptitude test. Well, if this job sticks, it means one down with one more job to find for the evenings and/or weekends. Dina From tonks_op at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 01:09:22 2005 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:09:22 -0000 Subject: not Runes -Hieroglyphics!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, shalimar07 at a... wrote: > I found this site has the clearest information available....._Runes_ > (http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa082702a.htm) Good Luck. > > MumWeasley7 Tonks here: Guess what. I did more reasearch and.. They are not runes. They are Hieroglyphics. Still don't know want they say, but I think it points to Egypt in the next book or 7th. Ancient magic is there you know. Tonks_op From tonks_op at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 01:13:29 2005 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:13:29 -0000 Subject: Butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Beth" > > These are links to sites with recipes I've used for my class. One of > their favorites is always gummy frogs dipped in chocolate. I think it > sounds disgusting, but it's always a big hit! > http://www.britta.com/hogwarts/recipes.html > http://www.whitten.demon.co.uk/potter/food.htm > http://www.fronskiefeint.com/recipes.shtml Beth Thank you Beth. It does look like a good source. And thank to everyone else who gave ideas too. Have to keep my house elf happy, or drunk! ;-) Tonks. From kcawte at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 21 03:25:07 2005 From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:25:07 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inaugeration References: Message-ID: <008501c4ff68$d79a93d0$69206bd5@kathryn> > > OK, as soon as you spell "inauguration" correctly ten times real fast > *sigh* I knew someone would spot that. I tried it with a 'u' and it looked wrong, not that the 'e' looked any better. Why don't spell checkers check message headers ? K From punkieshazam at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 06:55:20 2005 From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:55:20 -0000 Subject: My clever son! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Leeann McCullough" > > wrote: > > > I am truly sorry if this has been noted before. My 10 year old > son > > and I were talking about the "meaning" of Dumbledore (bumble bee) > and > > Voldemort (death). He said to me, "Mom, is that why DD didn't try > to > > kill Vold. at the Ministry of Magic? Because you know after a bee > > stings, it dies!" > > > Wow, I have been contemplating that on and off for a year or so, > > but never came to that conclusion. What a clever child! > > > > > > Leeann McCullough Your son is indeed clever. However, the adults among us are not so clever. I know, I know I'm always the killjoy. It is *honey*bees that die when stung. Bumblebees live to sting again. Check it out. www.mearns.org.uk/mrssmith/bees/faq.htm fp.oxbeeco.f9.co.uk/FAQs.htm Oh well, Yahoomort is not cooperating. You'll have to cut and paste. Punkie Petunia is a witch in denial! From msbeadsley at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 07:50:03 2005 From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:50:03 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > Actually, I'm beginning to think the *only* thing he did wrong was > not to realise the trouble he was going to cause himself and his > family in the event of being photographed like that. That, too! I imagine there must have been some rebellion mixed up in there, considering all the elocution and deportment classes the poor boy must have suffered through. > Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? > I'm partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as > Stalin, I'd think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. I'm > Catholic; if I saw someone dressed up as the devil, or a Borgia > pope, I'd think the devil and Boria deserved to be made fun of, > too. It's because they all had a seriously overinflated opinion of > themselves and their desires. These all strike me as different, for reasons I think best not gone into here. There are nearly infinite better choices, some of which you mentioned. IMHO. Sandy, who might have been Jewish in a former life if that's allowed From bboyminn at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 08:34:26 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:34:26 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - All Cleared Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The situation has been all cleared up. I found out from good authority what happened to cause this mess. According to Jay Leno of the Tonight Show... Harry was told to wear a costume that made a /fashion/ statement. He misheard and thought they said the costume should make a /fascist/ statement. Well, that certainly explains everything. nudge-nudge-wink-wink Steve/bboyminn From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Jan 21 12:21:57 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:21:57 -0000 Subject: OMG! RE: job hunting In-Reply-To: <1785.4.47.27.199.1106260293.squirrel@4.47.27.199> Message-ID: Dina wrote: one place wants me > to start Monday and the other is highly considering me. I went with the > one that definitely said I was in, although, I'll have to refresh my Mac > skills since they don't use PCs. Congratulations! You should find Macs easy - mostly a matter of unlearning the things that Windows makes you think are "normal". David From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 18:14:22 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:14:22 -0000 Subject: PoA film Golden Tomato Award Message-ID: The PoA film has won the rottentomatoes.com Golden Tomato award for Best Reviewed Fantasy/Sci Fi Film of 2004: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/rtawards/index_2004.php?genre_intro=yes&genre=200008 (I hit "enter" to go to the next line and the stupid message disappeared before it was signed and sent. Will delete the duplicate if it shows up.) Carol From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 21 18:25:29 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:25:29 EST Subject: POA movie Marauder's map Message-ID: <8.605f9878.2f22a319@aol.com> Chancie: I was just wondering whether any one knows if JKR ever commented on the fact that the POA movie ommited the Marauders Map back story? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joseph at kirtland.com Fri Jan 21 18:49:17 2005 From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:49:17 -0000 Subject: Inaugeration In-Reply-To: <008501c4ff68$d79a93d0$69206bd5@kathryn> Message-ID: Are you sure that wasn't a Coronation for King George instead of an Inauguration for President [George] Bush? Joe --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" wrote: > > > > > OK, as soon as you spell "inauguration" correctly ten times real fast > > > *sigh* I knew someone would spot that. I tried it with a 'u' and it looked > wrong, not that the 'e' looked any better. Why don't spell checkers check > message headers ? > > K From annemehr at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 19:19:28 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:19:28 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Annemehr: > > Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? > > I'm partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as > > Stalin, I'd think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. I'm > > Catholic; if I saw someone dressed up as the devil, or a Borgia > > pope, I'd think the devil and Boria deserved to be made fun of, > > too. It's because they all had a seriously overinflated opinion of > > themselves and their desires. Sandy: > These all strike me as different, for reasons I think best not gone > into here. There are nearly infinite better choices, some of which > you mentioned. IMHO. > > Sandy, who might have been Jewish in a former life if that's allowed Annemehr again: There, see, I don't think Stalin is really any different, nor is his reign of terror shrouded in the mists of time - he ruled longer and later than Hitler. The Hammer and Sickle is no better than the Swastika (not that anybody makes costumes with them much). Annemehr From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com Fri Jan 21 22:17:10 2005 From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:17:10 EST Subject: Dina's job hunt Message-ID: <75.3d2bc046.2f22d966@aol.com> Hi Dina, Coming out of "lurker status" to congratulate you on the job offer(s). :) Thats great news. I'm in search, or I should say job 'research' mode myself and find I'm either over qualified for the office type positions (due to previous management positions reflected on my resume), or underqualified for office type positions because I have little excel/powerpoint experience. What a catch-22. I hope your good luck rubs off on me! Best of luck to you. "Luna" ... (aka Elizabeth) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From miss_megan at bigpond.com Sat Jan 22 00:24:48 2005 From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:24:48 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Annemehr: > > Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? > > I'm partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as > > Stalin, I'd think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. I'm > > Catholic; if I saw someone dressed up as the devil, or a Borgia > > pope, I'd think the devil and Boria deserved to be made fun of, > > too. It's because they all had a seriously overinflated opinion of > > themselves and their desires. I guess if Harry had made a serious effort to make fun of, or parody, the Nazi uniform then that would have been a different thing, but that would have required awareness and forethought, attributes he has demonstrated he was not employing on this occasion. storm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 From miamibarb at BellSouth.net Sat Jan 22 15:02:57 2005 From: miamibarb at BellSouth.net (Barb Roberts) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:02:57 -0500 Subject: Brit Rant:The Other Harry In-Reply-To: <1106318189.11475.51048.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1106318189.11475.51048.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > Annemehr > Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? I'm > partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as Stalin, I'd > think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. Annemehr Don't people regularly go to costume parties dressed as monsters? I'm partly of Slovak descent; if I saw someone dressed up as Stalin, I'd think Stalin deserved to be made fun of that way. Well, my brother dressed as a Nazi for a Halloween party in college many years, and he too got into a lot of trouble. A Jewish person was greatly offended. Yet, for my brother, it was a just a cheap monster costume. (My father had come home from WWII with a few trinkets, including a Hitler youth helmet.) He was shocked at the reaction. Judging from the reruns I see on PBS, British TV has made fun of the fun of Nazis over the years with all sorts of parodies, etc. However, in Germany, I believe that it's still illegal to own/display/sell certain things, items with swastikas and the like. This law caused a legal problem for the US EBay a few years back. It seems that when Americans, sold Nazi paraphernalia over the Internet, they also were making it available to people in Germany. It caused quite a flap. I'm a little vague about the details, but I do remember the flap. The trouble is that Prince Harry and the Royal family is larger than Britain. The Royal family is also still living down the problem that head with a few family members who were sympathetic to the Nazis in the early days of the Nazi regime. You and I *may* not cause a much of a fuss with a Nazi uniform. We may even seem tame compared with the Draculas and Frankensteins at a party. But Germany still has neo-Nazis and former Nazis to deal with, and its still a concern to many. Closer to home, another email list, The Opera-L. had a problem with the contributions from a known neo-Nazi that writes a classical music column for a N-N newspaper in Austria. His contributions tested the limits of free speech. The N-N stayed ?on cannon?, and were sometimes OK, but did seem to stray into the degenerate nature of certain (Jewish) composers. I didn?t really catch it. His posts were hard enough to read, but others were to familiar with the buzz words he used were outraged. The guy wouldn?t shut up either. Thankfully Harry Potter lists have not attracted Nazis yet. Barbara Roberts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Debby970095 at aol.com Sat Jan 22 15:00:29 2005 From: Debby970095 at aol.com (Debby970095 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:00:29 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: not Runes -Hieroglyphics!! Message-ID: <140.3c756119.2f23c48d@aol.com> Where do you see a picture of the Hieroglyphics? I have not seen a picture yet. I would enjoy trying to figure it out also. Thanks for any information Godrica Gryffindor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From redina at silverbloom.net Sat Jan 22 17:38:01 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:38:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Apple/Mac products Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: OMG! RE: job hunting In-Reply-To: References: <1785.4.47.27.199.1106260293.squirrel@4.47.27.199> Message-ID: <1960.4.47.27.199.1106415481.squirrel@4.47.27.199> davewitley said: > You should find Macs easy - mostly a matter of unlearning the things > that Windows makes you think are "normal". {g} I knew this one gal, who was into geology, and she'd describe some rocks as 'sexy'. This amused me because I never thought of rocks as being such; however, on a certain level after eyeing some of the newer Apple products, I think they've got a 'sexy' line-up. I was specking out the Mac mini at http://www.apple.com/macmini/ - yeah, can't afford it but I can still drool a bit. {g} It's so *cute* but makes me wonder about things like ventilation and cooling fans. I'm so used to 'clunky' PCs and having their panels open for an oscillating fan to blow air [and dust] on the CPU/motherboard since I don't have working air conditioning--yep, I sweat like a dog during those Florida summers. Dina From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 22 18:49:35 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:49:35 -0000 Subject: Slow news (was Re: Brit Rant) In-Reply-To: <20050120154006.41077.qmail@web81507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, stephen roginson wrote: snip > > Must have been a slow news day and the tabloids stoked the fire...everyone loves a controvercy. > > SR > And, apparently, it's such a slow time for HP news that we are still discussing it as well! LOL! To change the subject slightly, I have been really annoyed with the Hollywood rag mags out there that are exploiting the breakup of Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston, or the trouble (real or contrived) of Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey, or whomever happens to be having marital trouble this week. What makes me feel worse is that people must be buying the darn things! I know these people are in the public eye, but as someone who's been divorced I have empathy for them. I remember feeling embarassed about the breakup, and flushing every time I had to tell somebody. If it were all over the magazines at the grocery store, I think it would have been mortifying. It's sick how much we objectify stars to the point where even their private feelings become our entertainment. imamommy From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 20:14:58 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:14:58 -0000 Subject: Brit Rant: The Other Harry: PLEASE READ Message-ID: Given some of the responses to my post, it's clear I could have written it with a little more tact and sensitivity, so I want to take this opportunity to make a few things crystal clear. 1.) It was NOT my intent to in anyway demonize the British. Well, yes to demonizing the British Tabloid Press, but no to demonizing the people or country. I was simply creating an illlustrative perspective. Showing that anything and anyone can be made to appear bad if you adopt a sufficienlty inflamed and out of proportion perspective. The very things I said about the British, with slight revision for details, could be said about any country or historical organization in existence. With a sufficiently inflamed perspective I could demonize the Boy Scouts, Barney-the Dinosaur, Teletubbies, or even Harry Potter, all of which, by the way, has been done by some aspect of the media. 2.) I was in NO WAY minimizing what happened to the Jews and/or to other people under the Nazis. Without a doubt, the Nazis were quite hysterically and delusionally irrational and psychotic. Germany is the only country I know of that has suffered mass insanity twice in one century. What they did was unbelievably horrible. Again, don't get me wrong, I not demonizing the Germans as a whole, either across a wide expanse of history, or in modern times. Also, they are certainly not the only country in the world to have 'popped their cork', we've all had our historical bouts of irrational thinking. I've been to Germany, and they are wonderful, generous, friendly, fun loving people, and the food and drink are great (and cheap too). 3.) I did NOT say or imply that what Prince Harry did was nothing. Again, I was making a plea for reasonable proportion and perspective. What Harry did was in very poor taste. But I think his apology and his father's punishment were sufficient to deal with the situation. Harry was made to clean manure out of the pig pens on his father's farm. One thing I do like about both Harry and William is that neither of them seem to be afraid of hard work. 4.) Finally, NO Photo = No Problem... This whole overblown controversy only exists because a photo exists that the media can use to splash across the front page in order to sensationalize the story. There is a valid story, but lacking that photo this would have garnered very little media attention. I'm not saying no attention, but much less and in a much more reasonable perspectve and reasonable proportion. In two separate posts in the original thread, I thought I did a reasonably good job of clarifying my point. Date: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:19 am Subject: Re: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Big TO DO... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25727 Date: Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:58 am Subject: Re: Brit Rant: The Other Harry - Seeking Perspective http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25759 I hope that puts to rest any controversy I many have created. Steve/bboyminn From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 23 05:02:21 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 23 Jan 2005 05:02:21 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1106456541.77.7412.m14@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From timregan at microsoft.com Sun Jan 23 08:52:35 2005 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:52:35 -0000 Subject: Recommendations of wifi used for Yahoo chatting Message-ID: Hi All, I recently set-up a wireless network at home. It's great fun being able to open up the laptop wherever I am in the house and connect to the internet. But (there's always a "but") Yahoo chat doesn't really work anymore. I can join chats, but I miss most of the messages and those I do get come through in bursts rather than as they are typed. I've tried all the various settings on the modem and within Yahoo Messenger but nothing helps. This is a real pain since at the moment since we use Yahoo Chat for most of the Accio ( http://www.accio.org.uk/ ) committee meetings. Has anyone had good experiences running Yahoo chats through a wireless ADSL modem? If so which make and model were you using? Cheers, Dumbledad. PS The router I used was the eTec 4 Port Wireless ADSL modem (model PT3830) From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 23 16:02:13 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 23 Jan 2005 16:02:13 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1106496133.39.43314.m21@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 20:00:27 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:00:27 -0000 Subject: Recommend- wifi- Yahoo chatting- Tech Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > > Hi All, > > I recently set-up a wireless network at home. It's great fun being > able to open up the laptop wherever I am in the house and connect to > the internet. But (there's always a "but") Yahoo chat doesn't really > work anymore. I can join chats, but I miss most of the messages and > those I do get come through in bursts rather than as they are typed. > I've tried all the various settings on the modem and within Yahoo > Messenger but nothing helps. > > This is a real pain since at the moment since we use Yahoo Chat for > most of the Accio ( http://www.accio.org.uk/ ) committee meetings. > > Has anyone had good experiences running Yahoo chats through a > wireless ADSL modem? If so which make and model were you using? > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad. > > PS The router I used was the eTec 4 Port Wireless ADSL modem (model > PT3830) bboyminn: I can help, but then I can't help. First, to anyone who is experiencing Hardware or Software problems the two greatest forums I've found for getting clear answers from friendly knowledgable people is ... Virtual Dr. http://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Virtual Dr. does have a forum specifically for Networking problems, just look in the list of forums. Hardware Central http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/ ...very nuts & bolts hardware oriented. Both these discussion boards are run by... http://www.internet.com/ which covers news, technical articles, discussion, and a wide range of subject related to computers and the Internet. Internet.com does have a section of general industry news and information related to 'wireless'.... http://www.internet.com/sections/wireless.html Anyone can read the forums, although, you do have to register to be able to Post or Reply. However, they do NOT in any way use your registration information for marketing purposes. All personal data is kept strictly confidential. You will need to give them an email address, but that is only so you can be notified when someone has responded to your posts. Another resource for computer-hardware&software, as well as industry and Internet information including discussion forum is... http://www.anandtech.com/ I haven't used this one as much, but it is a well respected tech-info website. Also, I found this tech support site when I search Google for 'etec wireless DSL Modem configuration', While the search didn't direct me to a specific answer on this forum, it none the less looks like a good place, and they have a Wireless discusion group... Hardware Analysis - Wireless Forum http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/forum/20/?o=50 By the way, the search of Google brought up about 4,200 hits. Another alternative, try and find the ETEC website and check their support area. Now I speculate [ ...that's a first ;) ] Data on networks does not travel in continuous real-time streams. All transferred data regardless of medium (modem, DSL, network, mouse interface, USB, whatever) travels in 'packets'. Think of a packet as an envelope capable of holding one page of data. Think of transferring one file over a network as sending a series of many related envelopes each with one page in them. When all the envelopes reach their final destination, the single pages they contain are reassembled into one large file. In other words, all this takes time. Also, note that while fast, wireless networks aren't as fast as wired networks. Networks are fast enough that normal tasks like file transfer, remote viewing of files and folders appear to happen in real-time, but in reality they do not; data is assembled and transferred in short bursts. To compound this, a poor wireless connection may cause transmission errors, in which case the data must be transmitted several time until it is receive without errors. I speculate, and it is only speculation (ask the experts), that, do to a variety of circumstances, your network simply can't keep up with real-time discussion. The good news is, that I think it can be fixed, although I can't give you specific advice on how to do it. I can however suggest some area to investigate. You may be able to set the packet size. In your case I would suggest smaller packets. You many be able to locate your wireless router in a better location so as to reduce transmission errors; usually means a higher and unobstructed location. Another suggestion, make sure your wireless network isn't configure so that anyone in the area/neighborhood with a wireless network card can connect to it. In an Internet Cafe, you want everyone to be able to connect, but at home, you don't want the neighbor's kid surfing porn using your connection, or viewing your files. Also, somewhere in the configuration is the option to have all data tranferred between the remote computers and the route sent in encrypted format; that's always a good idea. My personal advice may not have been much help, but the people at the various forums I pointed out, I'm confident will be very helpful; they've never failed me. Also, you can't be the first person to have this problem, you can search the forums, and it's possible your question has already been answered. Good luck. Steve/bboyminn From nakedkali at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 20:49:34 2005 From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:49:34 -0000 Subject: JK Decorations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eloise said : >I find it rather sad that >people seem to celebrate Christmas in 'the run up to Christmas' as >Advent is now known and think it's all over during the season of >Christmas itself. Soon the whole thing will be over before Dec. 25th! >I think it was Jan 6th that I saw the first Easter offerings in my >local supermarket, the Lindt cholcolate reindeer being suddenly >superseded by Lindt chocolate bunnies. Sea Change replies: Here in LA, the Valentine's Day decorations and candy are already up, so the Easter stuff is not out yet. JKR did a cute Valentine's chapter in one of her books. Think she'll do the same on her site? Is V-Day not a big merchandising deal with big Lindt chocolate hearts where you live, Eloise? Sea Change, who currently is without boyfriend but made a New Year resolution to try to get one, and was shocked to see the drugstores putting up the decorations as if they were taunting me already, on Jan 2. From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jan 23 21:58:21 2005 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:58:21 -0000 Subject: stuff / Pumpkin Juice and other foods/Mainland?England/Prince Harry/BEES Message-ID: My computer died last weekend. I've ordered a new one, and am worrying myself into insommnia about recovering my E-MAIL and my BOOKMARKS and my FILES from the dead one's hard drive. Meanwhile, I am using Tim's spare computer, which is so slow it makes me crazy, in the same room as the Television, and accompanied by a chair that gives me a backache. I am such a whiner. QUESTION: What is 'sporking'? (per http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25711 from Dina) Btw, congrats to Dina on successful job hunt. Steve bboyminn wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25744 : << pumpkin flesh while very edible, are not very juicy. So, to get the quantities of pumpkin juice we see in the books, they have to be juicing thousands of large pumpkins; completely impractical. >> Maybe it's like the mint jelly traditionally served with leg of lamb: truth in labelling laws forced its name to be changed to mint-flavored apple jelly. I imagine pumpkin juice as something like apple juice that tastess like pumpkin pie, so perhaps apple juice IS the main ingredient but it's named after the flavor. Another example is the 'lemon custard' that is a traditional part of dim sum has had its name changed to 'egg custard' because the old name was named after its *color* not its ingredient. The friend who told me that also told me that he bought a 'pineapple bun' at a bakery in Little Tokyo which was pastry dough *shaped* like a pineapple. I suppose an American example is 'hot dog'. Becky wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25764 : << So next time I was stuck in an airport with my plane delayed (fairly normal as I'm not from mainland England, but I'm at university on the mainland) >> *sympathetic shudder* at delayed planes being normal. Btw, as a USAmerican, I'm not accustomed to the phrase 'mainland England'. PRINCE HARRY Steve bboyminn wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25718 : << than that of Harry's personal right to privacy. >> People born into the British royal family have no right to privacy. It's unfair that they didn't get to choose their parents, but they DO get a lot of money as part of the deal, inheritances and a government salary. << given the party theme of 'Colonials and Natives' >> For political correctness, maybe he should have gone painted blue as a Pict, ideally accompanied by a friend dressed as a Roman legionnaire. << Prince William wore black tights and a leopard skin; >> Why didn't that cause a scandal about racist stereotypes? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25727: << the Indians have every reason to hate the British. But it's not really in their nature to foster hatred >> That is not what I would say about the country where BJP party followers tore down the mosque of Ayodhya with their bare hands, a train-car of Hindu pilgrims returning from Ayodhya was burned alive by Muslim street-vendors, and innocent Muslims minding their own business were burned alive in their own houses by Hindu rioters in Gujarat. I would say that Indians are as good at hating as all other humans are. << Germany is the only country I know of that has suffered mass insanity twice in one century. >> Are you referring to WWI and WWII? I'm not aware of WWI being mass insanity -- didn't I already post about this during LOTR-FOTR movie discussions? -- a *few* Serbian nationalists plotted to assassinate an archduke and one of them more-or-less accidentally succeeded, so the Austrian-Hungarian Empire found it necessary to militarily chastise Serbia (I think it's called something like "suppressing an insurgency"). Apparently the Russian Empire found it necessary to send an army to defend the Serbs because they were fellow Orthodox Christians. Then countries found it necessary to join in on one side or the other because they had treaties to ally with Austria-Hungary or Russia or one of the other countries that joined in. The common people just did what their governments told them to do. Sometimes I marvel that so many Great Powers never thought of the solution of simply not honoring their treaties, as my country has done so often, but maybe they thought it was a chance to conquer some territory to increase the size of their Empires. Barbara Roberts wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25790 : << Thankfully Harry Potter lists have not attracted Nazis yet. >> Actually I saw some posts on one list from an Odinist who may not have been a Nazi, but was quite clear about the wizard folk representing the superios Aryan race, while the Dursleys and other foolish Muggles showed the bad results of mongrelization. BEES Leeann McCullough wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25661 : << I am truly sorry if this has been noted before. My 10 year old son and I were talking about the "meaning" of Dumbledore (bumble bee) and Voldemort (death). He said to me, "Mom, is that why DD didn't try to kill Vold. at the Ministry of Magic? Because you know after a bee stings, it dies!" Wow, I have been contemplating that on and off for a year or so, but never came to that conclusion. What a clever child! >> Punkie wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25779 just what I was planning to write, but with different citations: << Your son is indeed clever. However, the adults among us are not so clever. I know, I know I'm always the killjoy. It is *honey*bees that die when stung. Bumblebees live to sting again. >> Here is an article from Wikipedia confirming my belief that only honeybees die from stinging ; drones have no stingers). only honeybees die from stinging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristics_of_common_wasps_and_bees only *worker* honeybees die from stinging with their barbed stingerss; the queen honeybee's stinger is smooth and can be reused http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/bee_SocialBees.asp "Drone bees have no stinger, since a stinger is actually a modified ovipositor." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee#Eusocial_bees "Most, but not all, bumblebee species are gentle. From this comes their original name: "Humblebee"." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebeehttp://en.wi kipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee "ETYMOLOGY: bumble2 + bee1." http://www.bartleby.com/61/74/B0547400.html "bum?ble INTRANSITIVE VERB: To make a humming or droning sound; buzz. NOUN: A humming or droning sound; a buzz. ETYMOLOGY: Middle English bomblen, of imitative origin." http://www.bartleby.com/61/73/B0547300.html http://www.word-detective.com/051600.html#dumbledore ""Dumbledore" is a pretty obscure word, rarely heard even in Britain and virtually unknown in the U.S. "Dumbledore," it seems, serves as the name of two entirely different (and quite dissimilar) insects. One is the bumblebee (which the English call a "humblebee"), the slow-moving, helpful denizen of flower gardens. The other sort of "dumbledore" is a nasty critter called the "cockchafer," a large, ugly and voracious beetle which eats trees. "Chafer" is another name in England for a beetle, and "cock" in this case is an allusion to the size and aggressiveness of a rooster. Boy, do I not want to meet this bug. Fortunately, "dumbledore" is almost always used to mean a bumblebee. The "bumble" in "bumblebee," the "humble" in "humblebee," and the "dumble" in "dumbledore" are all echoic in origin, meaning that the words themselves are supposed to imitate the sound of a loud hum. ("Bumble" meaning "to flub" or "blunder" is an entirely different word.) The "dore" in "dumbledore" comes from the Old English "dora," which meant an insect that flies and makes a loud humming sound." Btw, are you, Leeann, related to "... the Leeanan Sidhe. The Leeanan is a beautiful female faery that is drawn to creative humans like authors, poets, and artists." http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9406/whoelf.html Tyler wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25771 : << One more small tidbit about bumbebees-they are solitary, they don't hive like other bees. >> The articles I cited above list bumblebees among both eusocial and quasisocial bees, indicating a bumblebee hive consists of dozens of bees versus a honeybee hive consisting of thousands. From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 10:09:20 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:09:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dina's Job Hunt Message-ID: <20050124100920.4785.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com> Luna, aka Elizabeth wrote: ADVERTISEMENT Hi Dina, Coming out of "lurker status" to congratulate you on the job offer(s). :) Thats great news. I'm in search, or I should say job 'research' mode myself and find I'm either over qualified for the office type positions (due to previous management positions reflected on my resume), or underqualified for office type positions because I have little excel/powerpoint experience. What a catch-22. I hope your good luck rubs off on me! Best of luck to you. "Luna" ... (aka Elizabeth) Paula now: Have also done my share of lurking. Congrats from me too, Dina. I'm living overseas now but would like to come back to live in the USA. Elizabeth, I could do the PowerPoint/Excel stuff and have no mgmt experience or desire to manage. Where are you now--by any chance Arizona, Southern California, or Florida? ~Paula Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Jan 24 13:51:40 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:40 -0000 Subject: Mainland England/WWI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catlady wrote: > << So next time I was stuck in an airport with my plane delayed > (fairly normal as I'm not from mainland England, but I'm at university > on the mainland) >> > > *sympathetic shudder* at delayed planes being normal. Btw, as a > USAmerican, I'm not accustomed to the phrase 'mainland England'. Yeah, I was interested in that one. My take is: not Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland because one would just say 'England'; not the Channel Islands or Isle of Man for the same reason since although they are not normally regarded as countries they are not part of England; not Isle of Wight (probably) or a lesser inshore island, because one wouldn't usually fly (though perhaps to the north of England?); that leaves the Isles of Scilly, I think. Fog, I bet, delays the planes. >I'm not aware of WWI being mass > insanity -- didn't I already post about this during LOTR-FOTR movie > discussions? -- a *few* Serbian nationalists plotted to assassinate an > archduke and one of them more-or-less accidentally succeeded, so the > Austrian-Hungarian Empire found it necessary to militarily chastise > Serbia (I think it's called something like "suppressing an > insurgency"). Apparently the Russian Empire found it necessary to send > an army to defend the Serbs because they were fellow Orthodox > Christians. Then countries found it necessary to join in on one side > or the other because they had treaties to ally with Austria- Hungary or > Russia or one of the other countries that joined in. I agree that to put all the blame on Germany is a little one-sided, but somehow your rebuttal of the charge of mass insanity is not working for me here. David From bleckybecs at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 15:52:09 2005 From: bleckybecs at yahoo.com (bleckybecs) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:52:09 -0000 Subject: Mainland England/WWI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" wrote: > > Catlady wrote: > > > << So next time I was stuck in an airport with my plane delayed > > (fairly normal as I'm not from mainland England, but I'm at > university > > on the mainland) >> > > > > *sympathetic shudder* at delayed planes being normal. Btw, as a > > USAmerican, I'm not accustomed to the phrase 'mainland England'. > > Yeah, I was interested in that one. My take is: not Scotland, Wales > or Northern Ireland because one would just say 'England'; not the > Channel Islands or Isle of Man for the same reason since although > they are not normally regarded as countries they are not part of > England; not Isle of Wight (probably) or a lesser inshore island, > because one wouldn't usually fly (though perhaps to the north of > England?); that leaves the Isles of Scilly, I think. Fog, I bet, > delays the planes. > To clear up, I'm from the Isle Of Man, but I HATE boats, so I tend to take the plane, which is not at all unusual. People from the Isle Of Man tend to refer to England as 'the mainland', whereas I've discovered that people in England tend to call the rest of Europe 'the mainland'. Becky From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com Mon Jan 24 19:30:13 2005 From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:30:13 EST Subject: Dina's job hunt thread ...PAULA Message-ID: <1f0.33fa564f.2f26a6c5@aol.com> >>>"Elizabeth, I could do the PowerPoint/Excel stuff and have no mgmt experience or desire to manage. Where are you now--by any chance Arizona, Southern California, or Florida? ~Paula Gaon"<<< Hi Paula, I'm in Southern California. You're spooky ... r u psychic? ; ) Elizabeth --------------------- "... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic. I love Luna." J.K. Rowling Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004 (Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From barbfulton at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 19:49:20 2005 From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:49:20 -0000 Subject: JKR had her baby Message-ID: According to Leaky, JKR had her little girl yesterday! Her name will be announced soon on her site. They are both said to be doing well. -Barb From rkelley at blazingisp.net Mon Jan 24 20:53:01 2005 From: rkelley at blazingisp.net (Rick & LeAnn Kelley) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:53:01 -0600 Subject: bumblebees Message-ID: Hello, I live on a farm in the US Midwest, and here our bumblebees are anything but "humble". Groups of them make nests in the ground or in out-of-the-way spaces in outbuildings, and if one happens to inadvertently threaten their territory a few painful stings will be the result. My daughter received several stings when she unknowingly ran a lawnmower over a ground nest. Several of us were stung while putting hay into the barnloft. Bumblebees had made a nest in the hay left from the previous year, and someone stacked a hay bale on top of their nest causing several of them to fly out and attack everyone in sight. As long as they or their nests aren't physically threatened they seem willing to live and let live. They are invaluable to us as pollinators since a mite has wiped out most of our honeybee populations. There is another large bee which we call a "wood bee". It does not sting, but it damages wood structures by boring large holes into rafters. Some people also mistakenly refer to wasps, mud daubers and hornets as bees, but they are completely different critters altogether. I think Dumbledore's nature fits that of the bumblebees in this area. He is powerful, protects those around him, and does good things. But once he or his friends are threatened, he can certainly sting. Swizzlewand [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Mon Jan 24 22:20:09 2005 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:20:09 -0000 Subject: NTCS format Message-ID: Hello Potterphiles! This is Sophia de-lurking in the hopes of getting some much needed information through this admirable venue. :-) I live in Sweden--region 2 format for dvd's--but want to order a region 1 dvd. My dvd-player is multi-regional, so no problem there. However, amazon.co.uk asks byuers of this particular item to check wether their tv-sets are NTCS-compatible (not a clue)as the common system, or whachamacallit for TV-sets in europe is PAL (still no clue). I don't know how to figure this out, so I just thought I'd ask if there is anyone on here from a region 2 country who owns a multi- regional dvd-player and if so,have you had any trouble watching region 1 dvd's on your TV? Much obliged Sophia--having a private Gene Kelly revival and desperate to get her hands on "On the Town" From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 22:58:09 2005 From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:58:09 -0000 Subject: JKR had her baby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Barb Fulton" wrote: > > According to Leaky, JKR had her little girl yesterday! Her name will be announced soon on her site. They are both said to be doing well. > > -Barb *****\(@@)/***** Whooo Hooo!!!!! *waves wildly* *throws confetti* Jo - You go girl! Congratulations to both you and Neil! I can't wait to see what she names the girl (I bet she is a cutie too) *grinning* Dudemom_2000 *****\(@@)/***** From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 23:14:28 2005 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:14:28 -0000 Subject: NTCS format - General Info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > > Hello Potterphiles! This is Sophia de-lurking in the hopes of > getting some much needed information through this admirable venue. > :-) > > I live in Sweden--region 2 format for dvd's--but want to order a > region 1 dvd. My dvd-player is multi-regional, so no problem there. > > However, amazon.co.uk asks byuers of this particular item to check > wether their tv-sets are NTCS-compatible (not a clue) as the common > system, or whachamacallit for TV-sets in europe is PAL (still no > clue). > > I don't know how to figure this out, so I just thought I'd > ask if there is anyone on here from a region 2 country who owns a > multi-regional dvd-player and if so,have you had any trouble > watching region 1 dvd's on your TV? > > Much obliged > Sophia--having a private Gene Kelly revival and desperate to get her > hands on "On the Town" bboyminn: Can't actually help you out on the Region 2 information you requested, but I found a couple links that might be generally helpful. Webopedia - What is NTSC? http://www.pcwebopaedia.com/TERM/N/NTSC.html Worldwide TV Standards - A Web Guide. http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/WorldTV/ You should be able to look in your DVD Player's owner's manual and determine if it is PAL or NTSC, or check the tech support website of the Manufacture of the DVD Player. Just a suggestion. Hope you get a more knowledgable answer. Steve/bboyminn From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 25 04:59:19 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:59:19 -0000 Subject: Gene Kelly (was Re: NTCS format) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: snip > Sophia--having a private Gene Kelly revival and desperate to get her > hands on "On the Town" Ohhhh! I love Gene Kelly. My favorite would have to be "Les Girls", but "On the Town" is great, pariticularly because of the Leonard Bernstein music in it. Have fun! imamommy From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 09:13:39 2005 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:13:39 -0000 Subject: Gene Kelly (was Re: NTCS format) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" wrote: > Ohhhh! I love Gene Kelly. My favorite would have to be "Les Girls", > but "On the Town" is great, pariticularly because of the Leonard > Bernstein music in it. Have fun! Les Girls, eh? I don't know much about that one, although the title is familiar. I'll have to look into it. I've got a loooong list of dvd's I'd like to get, but I've budgeted for only one a month, so it'll take a while to build up my collection. Glad to meet another Kelly fan. More than anything I am fascinated by his skill as a coreographer, especially in scenes where he portrays a character through dance. How on earth does he do it? Why are those particular motions appropriate to conveying a particular trait or emotion--and yet it absolutely works but I can't put my finer on how. My favorite scene right now is the "duet" with Cyd Charisse in the Broadway ballet of "Singin' in the Rain" BTW, Steve--thankyou for those links. They were very informative, and it seems that if my TV is less than 10 years old (which it is) it should be able to handle the NTCS format. I decided in the end the only way for me to know for sure would be to just go ahead and order... Sophia Sophia From paulag5777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 12:18:16 2005 From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:18:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dina's job hunt thread ...PAULA Message-ID: <20050125121816.28674.qmail@web54503.mail.yahoo.com> Paula wrote: ...Where are you now--by any chance Arizona, Southern California, or Florida? ~Paula Gaon"<<< Elizabeth: Hi Paula, I'm in Southern California. You're spooky ... r u psychic? ; ) Elizabeth Paula again: Yes Elizabeth, I do have a psychic sense. It's a blessing and a curse! Think I've even figured out the end of the series; don't worry, won't give it away. ~Paula Gaon Visit Astrology With Common Sense: http://astrology.lab.co.il A wise person knows the stars, a fool is ruled by them. See Mythical Magical Creatures at: http://www.cafeshops.com/bft/311142 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From marycloudt at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 25 17:59:54 2005 From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:59:54 -0000 Subject: New Birthday Elf signing in Message-ID: ***Dizzy Elf shuffles into the room, bedecked in a tourist-souvenier teatowel covered with donkeys and a questionable drawing of the seafront (not only is the tide in, the sea is blue). She's also wearing a wooly hat, scarves and mitts because it's frickin' cold outside!*** Greetings, fellow OTCers! I am your new Birthday Elf, ready and eager to decorate the room, bake birthday goodies and drink...erm, *serve* fortified butterbeer. Unfortunately flu and earaches and allsorts swept through Dizzy's house over the past few weeks (isn't winter fun?) and now that's she's down to only one child on antibiotics she can begin her duties, starting with belated wishes to all the January babies whose birthdays have already passed... ***unrolls a very long parchment and takes a deep breath*** Sam, Ms Tattersall, Nick Mitchell (BabyNick), Carol Estes, Carolyn, Sylvia (Forest Nymph), Heidi Tandy, Tracy, Rose Woofended, Melbaluna, Saitaina, and Shaun Hately! ***sways on the spot, lips slightly blue*** Happy belated wishes to all of you! Dizzy Elf (aka Mary Ann, crawling out of the room to gather baking ingredients) From marycloudt at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 25 18:05:01 2005 From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:05:01 -0000 Subject: Birthday Greetings Message-ID: ***Dizzy Elf re-enters the room, pushing a trolley containing loads of party food and a large cake and balancing a keg of butterbeer on her head*** We have two birthdays to celebrate today: Gail and PEPPERSRGENT! Send your greetings here onlist or email Gail at houseofbohacek at earthlink.net and PEPPERSRGENT at PEPPERSRGENT at yahoo.com Happy birthday to both of you, and I hope your birthday wishes come true! Dizzy Elf :) From Debby970095 at aol.com Tue Jan 25 19:38:48 2005 From: Debby970095 at aol.com (debby970095) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:38:48 -0000 Subject: Moaning Myrtle Message-ID: Ok, My name is Debby,aka Godrica.I have been lurking here for a short itme. I usually just read I rarely ever post. I am farely new to the Harry Potter world, and the obsesseion has just taken over within the last few months. I love finding out all the new things through all the great websites I have found and especially this group. But Now I am lookinf for some answers. Something has recently come to my attention and I am wondering if anyone else knows the answer to my question. I recently watched Bridget Jone's Diary. In the movie she had a friend with short black hair and a very familiar voice. Even my husband picked up on it. She seems to be the same girl that plays moaning mrtyle in the CoS. Can any one tell me if these two ladies are indeed the same person? Godrica Gryffindor From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 21:35:22 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:35:22 -0000 Subject: JKR had her baby (Mackenzie Jean Rowling Murray!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Barb wrote: > > According to Leaky, JKR had her little girl yesterday! Her name will be announced soon on her site. They are both said to be doing well. Dudemom_2000 responded: > Whooo Hooo!!!!! *waves wildly* *throws confetti* > > Jo - You go girl! Congratulations to both you and Neil! > > I can't wait to see what she names the girl (I bet she is a cutie too) > > *grinning* Carol adds: The news is up on her website (which will probably be redecoratd in a few days!). The baby's name is MacKenzie Jean Rowling Murray. No word on her weight or length but JKR calls her "ridiculously beautiful." Carol From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 21:38:05 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:38:05 -0000 Subject: JKR had her baby (MacKenzie Jean Rowling Murray!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > The news is up on her website (which will probably be redecoratd in a > few days!). The baby's name is MacKenzie Jean Rowling Murray. No word > on her weight or length but JKR calls her "ridiculously beautiful." > > Carol Oops. Make that a capital K in the subject heading. Carol From bhobbs36 at verizon.net Tue Jan 25 21:44:25 2005 From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:44:25 -0000 Subject: Moaning Myrtle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "debby970095" wrote: > > I recently watched > Bridget Jone's Diary. In the movie she had a friend with short black > hair and a very familiar voice. Even my husband picked up on it. She > seems to be the same girl that plays moaning mrtyle in the CoS. Can > any one tell me if these two ladies are indeed the same person? > > > Godrica Gryffindor Yes, Debby, that is Shirley Henderson. She was in Bridget Jones's Diary... as Jude. For more about her go here: www.imdb.com/name/nm0376602 And welcome to the fandom! I hope you meet as many wonderful people and have as much fun as I have over the years. I'm a long time obsessive, in deeper than I ever thought possible. The wizarding world is such a wonderful place to visit! Come back often! Magically yours, Belinda From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 21:45:35 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:45:35 -0000 Subject: Moaning Myrtle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "debby970095" wrote: > > > Ok, My name is Debby,aka Godrica.I have been lurking here for a short > itme. I usually just read I rarely ever post. I am farely new to the > Harry Potter world, and the obsesseion has just taken over within the > last few months. I love finding out all the new things through all > the great websites I have found and especially this group. But Now I > am lookinf for some answers. > Something has recently come to my attention and I am wondering if > anyone else knows the answer to my question. I recently watched > Bridget Jone's Diary. In the movie she had a friend with short black > hair and a very familiar voice. Even my husband picked up on it. She > seems to be the same girl that plays moaning mrtyle in the CoS. Can > any one tell me if these two ladies are indeed the same person? > > > Godrica Gryffindor I looked it up for you on the IMDb: Yes, they're the same person. Shirley Henderson, who played Moaning Myrtle in "Chamber of Secrets" played a character named Jude in "Bridget Jones' Diary" and "Bridget Jones 2 (neither of which I've seen). She'll reprise the Moaning Myrtle role in "Goblet of Fire." You can check it out yourself at this URL: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0376602/ Carol From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 21:51:49 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:51:49 -0000 Subject: Moaning Myrtle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: Debby wrote: I recently watched > > Bridget Jone's Diary. In the movie she had a friend with short black hair and a very familiar voice. Even my husband picked up on it. She seems to be the same girl that plays moaning mrtyle in the CoS. Can any one tell me if these two ladies are indeed the same person? Carol earlier: > I looked it up for you on the IMDb: Yes, they're the same person. > Shirley Henderson, who played Moaning Myrtle in "Chamber of Secrets" > played a character named Jude in "Bridget Jones' Diary" and "Bridget > Jones 2 (neither of which I've seen). She'll reprise the Moaning > Myrtle role in "Goblet of Fire." You can check it out yourself at this URL: > > http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0376602/ > > Carol Carol adds: Sorry about the duplication here. Belinda and I posted two minutes apart, so I didn't see her response till after I'd said the same thing (in more words, natch). Interesting side note: Shirley Henderson was born in 1965 and is playing a twelve-year-old girl in CoS! Carol From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 22:57:26 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:57:26 -0000 Subject: Dumbledore's 'sting' In-Reply-To: <20050120165437.92182.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tyler Hewitt wrote: > The 'defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald' may not > have used Dumbledore's one sting. It depends on the > definition of the word 'defeat', and the nature of a > 'sting' for a bumblebee animagus. Does defeat mean > kill? Does one have to kill someone in order to have > stung them? > If we don't know these answers, we can't be sure that > DD has ever used his 'stinger'. > > On a vaguely related note, I had a theory going for a > while that has been partially debunked by the prophecy > in OoP (at least it needs a good reworking). > Basically, my idea was that Harry was created > specifically to fight Voldemort-that Lily and James > used magics during Harry's conception to ensure that > he would eventually defeat him. > Here's a bit from that old post that relates to > Dumbledore: > > "I suggest that the name Dumbledore has meaning. > Dumbledore is old English for bumblebee. What does a > bumblebee do? Pollinate. In its search for nectar, a > bumblebee spreads pollen, fertilising flowers (in "The > Botany of Desire", author Michael Pollen refres to > bees as `flying penises'). Dumbledore could have been > the one who cast the spell, or gathered ingredients, > or otherwise helped Lily and James `pollinate' their > special creation. JKR has apperantly claimed that she > just liked the word dumbledore, but we woulden't > expect her to divulge a clue that large, would we? > One more small tidbit about bumbebees-they are > solitary, they don't hive like other bees. Sounds a > little like Dumbledore, doesn't it?" > > Tyler OTOH, all bees that sting are female (the stinger is a modified ovipositor or egg-laying mechanism). Honeybee stingers are barbed and are left in the wound, killing the insect. Bumblebee stingers are not barbed and consequently, bumblebees can sting multiple times. Carol Carol From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 23:06:41 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:06:41 -0000 Subject: Beestings and all that (Was: My clever son!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Punkie wrote: > www.mearns.org.uk/mrssmith/bees/faq.htm > fp.oxbeeco.f9.co.uk/FAQs.htm > > Oh well, Yahoomort is not cooperating. You'll have to cut and paste. > > Punkie Carol responds Try this: http://www.mearns.org.uk/mrssmith/bees/faq.htm I don't don't know about fp, but you have to type the http:// to make the link work. And for long URLs, you have to uncheck "Wrap message text" before hitting Send. It should link this time. Carol, who also posted on honeybees vs. bumblebees and noted that only the females sting From bhobbs36 at verizon.net Tue Jan 25 23:51:14 2005 From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:51:14 -0000 Subject: JKR had her baby (MacKenzie Jean Rowling Murray!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Oops. Make that a capital K in the subject heading. > > Carol Oops! Better make it lowercase again. :D Belinda From cyber_avatar99 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 07:56:29 2005 From: cyber_avatar99 at yahoo.com (D) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:56:29 -0000 Subject: Please fill in my questionnaire.. Message-ID: To all of you in the United States, > > I'm doing a research about Harry Potter phenomenon on kid's reading habit for my study, and if you are a 6 - 20 year old person, I would like to involve you to fill in my questionnaire. Please go to the page https://www.FormPros.com/cgi- bin/accounts/210124898708/MyFormPros/MyForms/_MyPotterForm_35106838.as p If you are over 20 years old, I hope you could tell someone you know at that age (your kid, nephew, niece ar anyone) to get involved in my research. > Thank you for your attention and participation. ~D~ From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jan 26 13:47:23 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:47:23 -0000 Subject: Moaning Myrtle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: >>Interesting side note: Shirley Henderson was > born in 1965 and is playing a twelve-year-old girl in CoS! How do we know her age? Moaning Myrtle's, that is, not Henderson's. David From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 26 13:52:59 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:52:59 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie Message-ID: Does this bother anyone besides me? Julie Walters just confirmed that she will not be in GoF. You know what that means, right? NO "HUG IN THE HOSPITAL WING" SCENE! Now, I know I'm sappy about this kind of thing, but that moment was the most emotionally charged one for me in the whole series so far -- Harry's having no recollection of ever being hugged that way, as if by a parent. And they're cutting it out?? Sheesh. If they give that hug to Hermione, I shall scream bloody murder right in the theater. Siriusly Snapey Susan, feeling rather grumpy in case you couldn't tell. From spin01 at aol.com Wed Jan 26 14:46:42 2005 From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:46:42 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" wrote: > > Does this bother anyone besides me? Do we know for sure there will be no Molly? Or just that Julie Walters is not playing her? I can't imagine several scenes without Mrs. Weasly. How about the scene with the Easter Eggs (does your mom read the quibbler?) , The Scene before the big Maze test where Harry shows Mrs Weasley and Bill around and yes I also felt the Hug was one of the most touching so far. I had tears running down my face during that scene. Also what about the whole "I want you to meet each other" from Dumbledoor when he has Serius transform into a person in front of Snape and Mrs Weasley. I am bummed. But then I was looking forward to the Quidditch cup scene with Archy at the water fountain in the Muggle dress stating that he likes a healthy dose of air around his privates lol. I cracked up out loud at work when I read that scene. And it was just one of those scenes that didn't hit everyone as funny as it did me. sherry From sherriola at earthlink.net Wed Jan 26 15:04:21 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:04:21 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c503b8$51c025a0$0400a8c0@pensive> Oh I agree! I'm very irritated to hear this. How dare they take away Harry's one hug? And I also agree about giving it to Hermione. i've had to fight not letting the movie Hermione affect my opinion of book Hermione. I'm so disgusted by how the movies give her so many of other characters' scenes and lines, that I had to read all the books again to remember that she's not really like that. I would also have loved to see molly throwing herself at the twins when they return from the world cup, so relieved to see them safe after she had scolded them about their grades and their pranks. I was disappointed about no having the opening scenes from GOF in the movie, but not having molly is even worse. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: cubfanbudwoman [mailto:susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:53 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No Molly in GoF movie Does this bother anyone besides me? Julie Walters just confirmed that she will not be in GoF. You know what that means, right? NO "HUG IN THE HOSPITAL WING" SCENE! Now, I know I'm sappy about this kind of thing, but that moment was the most emotionally charged one for me in the whole series so far -- Harry's having no recollection of ever being hugged that way, as if by a parent. And they're cutting it out?? Sheesh. If they give that hug to Hermione, I shall scream bloody murder right in the theater. Siriusly Snapey Susan, feeling rather grumpy in case you couldn't tell. ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From sherriola at earthlink.net Wed Jan 26 15:06:57 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:06:57 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c503b8$ae57c2a0$0400a8c0@pensive> oh, I think the Archie scene is one of the most hilarious in the whole series. I too cracked up, laughing aloud. and I still do every time I read it! Another Sherry -----Original Message----- From: spinelli372003 [mailto:spin01 at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:47 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Molly in GoF movie --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" wrote: > > Does this bother anyone besides me? Do we know for sure there will be no Molly? Or just that Julie Walters is not playing her? I can't imagine several scenes without Mrs. Weasly. How about the scene with the Easter Eggs (does your mom read the quibbler?) , The Scene before the big Maze test where Harry shows Mrs Weasley and Bill around and yes I also felt the Hug was one of the most touching so far. I had tears running down my face during that scene. Also what about the whole "I want you to meet each other" from Dumbledoor when he has Serius transform into a person in front of Snape and Mrs Weasley. I am bummed. But then I was looking forward to the Quidditch cup scene with Archy at the water fountain in the Muggle dress stating that he likes a healthy dose of air around his privates lol. I cracked up out loud at work when I read that scene. And it was just one of those scenes that didn't hit everyone as funny as it did me. sherry ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From entropymail at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 15:15:46 2005 From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:15:46 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" wrote: > Does this bother anyone besides me? > Julie Walters just confirmed that she will not be in GoF. You know what that means, right? NO "HUG IN THE HOSPITAL WING" SCENE! > Siriusly Snapey Susan, feeling rather grumpy in case you couldn't tell. Well, I really loved the first two movies, but was so disappointed in the last one that I'm a bit off the whole movie thing now. Setting aside the different "feel" of the POA movie (it was okay, although I prefer the look of the first two), I really felt that the POA movie was just not up to par. It just didn't do the book (my favorite of the series so far) justice. Too much important information was dropped or gotten just plain wrong. In addition, I just couldn't understand how the critics could have made such a fuss about it, either. Things like Ron slipping looks *directly* at the camera on the Hogwarts express, and the constant mugging at the camera by certain Slytherins (I cringe every time those scenes come up) was purely amateurish. Even my eleven year old can't stand to watch it. But I digress. What I'm trying to say is, I'm not anticipating the next movie as much as I had the others, and I don't expect as much from it. Alfonso Cuaron just didn't seem to *love* the books as he should and, judging by the fact that Molly's been cut from the next, we may have to expect more of the same from the new director. I'll surely see GOF, and perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised by it, but for now I'm putting all of my anticipatory energies towards looking forward to Book 6. :: Entropy :: , who is feeling Susan's grumpy pain. From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 26 15:50:12 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:50:12 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SSSusan: > > Does this bother anyone besides me? spinelli/Sherry asked: > Do we know for sure there will be no Molly? Or just that Julie > Walters is not playing her? SSSusan: I'm afraid we do know. Julie Walters has confirmed that she will not be in GoF, and I think she's considered *the* Molly Weasley character. That is, she wants to continue with the role. Filming is not that far from completion, so I don't think the issue is someone else playing Molly, but just that the movie team felt the need to cut her character out of this one. Here is what Julie said in an interview: "I can understand why they've had to pare down the film as the book is so long but I am really hoping I'll be in again for the next one." If she's not in OotP, then I think I'll join Entropy in the Royally Fed up with the Movies Camp. The 12 GP scenes, esp. those between Molly & Sirius, are vital to understanding Harry, imo. Then again, I would've thought the hug was, too, though I'll admit that conveying to the audience the information that this was his first "parental" hug since 15 months of age might've been difficult. I sure hope they're keeping the scene itself, though, as it's where Hermione snatches Bug!Rita, where Snape sees Sirius transform, etc. Siriusly Snapey Susan From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Jan 26 15:54:33 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:33 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Siriusly Snapey Susan wrote: > If they give that hug to Hermione, I shall scream bloody murder right > in the theater. Oh, there's no need to be pessimistic. We can hope they give it to Alan Rickman. David From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 26 16:20:23 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:23 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Siriusly Snapey Susan wrote: > > If they give that hug to Hermione, I shall scream bloody murder > > right in the theater. David said: > Oh, there's no need to be pessimistic. We can hope they give it to > Alan Rickman. SSSusan: I am *so* glad this is OTC so that I can say, without fear of reprisal [read: Howler] -- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Thanks for the chuckle, David. ;-) Siriusly Snapey Susan From lunalovegood at shaw.ca Wed Jan 26 18:00:07 2005 From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (Dan Feeney) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:00:07 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Siriusly Snapey Susan: > Julie Walters just confirmed that she will not be in GoF. You know > what that means, right? NO "HUG IN THE HOSPITAL WING" SCENE! > > Now, I know I'm sappy about this kind of thing, but that moment was > the most emotionally charged one for me in the whole series so far - - > Harry's having no recollection of ever being hugged that way, as if > by a parent. And they're cutting it out?? Sheesh. > > If they give that hug to Hermione, I shall scream bloody murder right > in the theater. Dan: The truly perplexing thing, actually, is imagining how Hermione catches Skeeter then, since it won't happen as in the book, with the act supplying a switch of gaze from Harry's emotions in this scene. Maybe a continuation of Superwench!Hermione! Dan From swartell at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 18:24:50 2005 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:24:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Moaning Myrtle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050126182450.96657.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> --- davewitley wrote: > > How do we know her age? Moaning Myrtle's, that is, > not Henderson's. > Presumably based on the year of school she was in when she died. She would have to be between 11 and about 18, independent of that information, since she was a student when she died. Sue __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 19:05:34 2005 From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:05:34 -0000 Subject: I am on Boston.com today for looking like Dan Radcliffe Message-ID: Ha ha! Last night I saw on the web site (thank goodness I am here, instead of flying back out tomorrow and away from costumes), 'told all the time you resemble a celebrity? Send us your pic!" and today it shows my pic alongside Dan's with the caption, "Gallery of 'stars'? It's almost hard to figure out which one is A.J.,Allston, or Danielle Radcliffe, the actor who portrays Harry Potter." >:) (er, Danielle??) Glad that was good for something! From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 26 19:32:16 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:32:16 -0000 Subject: I am on Boston.com today for looking like Dan Radcliffe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." wrote: > > Ha ha! Last night I saw on the web site (thank goodness I am here, > instead of flying back out tomorrow and away from costumes), 'told > all the time you resemble a celebrity? Send us your pic!" and today > it shows my pic alongside Dan's with the caption, "Gallery of 'stars'? > It's almost hard to figure out which one is A.J.,Allston, or Danielle > Radcliffe, the actor who portrays Harry Potter." >:) (er, > Danielle??) > > Glad that was good for something! Nice!! I have to say that you (and that Fred Flintstone lookalike) look the most like your celebrity match. Most of them didn't look much like their "match" at all, imo -- particularly Julia Roberts and Demi Moore. SSSusan From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 20:03:12 2005 From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:03:12 -0000 Subject: I am on Boston.com today for looking like Dan Radcliffe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" wrote:> > Nice!! I have to say that you (and that Fred Flintstone lookalike) > look the most like your celebrity match. Most of them didn't look > much like their "match" at all, imo Yeah, I'm especially annoyed at the Matthew Broderick one, because years ago I opened a TIME magazine and thought, 'what is doing in the news??' but it was an intro to the actor, who hadn't starred in a lot yet. I also went to Boot Camp with a ringer for Drew Barrymore. (She, ironically, was the first to come running with a picture of Dan Radcliffe when HP1 came out and say, 'look, who is this?' pointing to me.) Oh well, there was the call for it and the timing! A. From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 27 03:26:20 2005 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:26:20 -0000 Subject: I am on Boston.com today for looking like Dan Radcliffe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "A.J." wrote: > > Ha ha! Last night I saw on the web site (thank goodness I am here, > instead of flying back out tomorrow and away from costumes), 'told > all the time you resemble a celebrity? Send us your pic!" and today > it shows my pic alongside Dan's with the caption, "Gallery of 'stars'? > It's almost hard to figure out which one is A.J.,Allston, or Danielle > Radcliffe, the actor who portrays Harry Potter." >:) (er, > Danielle??) > > Glad that was good for something! Hey, can't find it. Please post the link! imamommy From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Jan 27 09:33:46 2005 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:33:46 -0000 Subject: Moaning Myrtle In-Reply-To: <20050126182450.96657.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Carol wrote: >>Interesting side note: Shirley Henderson was > born in 1965 and is playing a twelve-year-old girl in CoS! David: > > > > How do we know her age? Moaning Myrtle's, that is, > > not Henderson's. Sue: > Presumably based on the year of school she was in when > she died. She would have to be between 11 and about > 18, independent of that information, since she was a > student when she died. Yes, but Carol gave a precise figure of 12, and I was wondering where that came from. David From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com Thu Jan 27 15:59:54 2005 From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:59:54 EST Subject: No Molly in GoF movie Message-ID: I'm with Sherry and Susan on this one. I think they are making a BIG mistake omitting that scene with Harry in the hospital wing with Mrs. Weasley. It's important to the characters emotional development and I think it should have been portrayed on screen! Not to mention all the other important "mrs. Weasley" parts of the book that Sherry pointed out. I think I'm as disappointed as Julie Walters is. I know the TLC teaser report said they were cutting a lot, but that what remained was excellent ... this decision leaves me to wonder. The story isn't all about 'action' and special effects ... heck, they even added a scene where Hermoine kisses Krum! I think it would be more necessary to keep the hospital wing scene and omit the kiss that isn't in the book in the first place. "Luna" ... feeling grumpy like Susan --------------------- "... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic. I love Luna." J.K. Rowling Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004 (Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From marycloudt at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 28 19:21:30 2005 From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:21:30 -0000 Subject: Birthday greetings Message-ID: ***decorates room with streamers and balloons, and hands out silly party hats. After all, why should Dizzy Elf be the only one to like a twat at the party?*** ;) We have two cakes today because we have two birthdays! Today's celebrants are Sawsan ( sawsan_iss at earthlink.net ) and Tammy Rizzo ( ms-tamany at rcn.com ) Greetings can be sent to the List or them personally. Hope you both have a fabulous birthday and that some HP goodies are among your gifts! Dizzy Elf (aka Mary Ann, with yet another elflet sick at home today ***groan***) From cwood at tattersallpub.com Fri Jan 28 23:37:51 2005 From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:37:51 -0000 Subject: Report from JKR Land Message-ID: This past week business and pleasure took me to Perthshire, Scotland, where on one day I was literally a stone's throw from where JKR lives (Aberfeldy)--which turned out to be the day before she had her new baby! I was tempted to drive on up the road from Crieff that day to try to catch a glimpse of her crib, but better sense (and general discomfort with driving on the left side of the road) prevailed. I want to go on record as saying that she couldn't have picked a lovelier place to live. Even in the depths of January, with snow on the higher elevations, Perthshire is green and stunningly beautiful. We were fortunate to visit when the weather was mild (around 40 degrees F in the daytime) and it did not rain the entire time we were there. One night was very clear, and we were able to see the aurora borealis--quite an impressive sight to a lifelong resident of the southern US. While we were in the city of Perth, we bought the entire HP series as a gift for the grandchildren. I was very tempted to buy a second set for myself, but the suitcase was already getting heavy! We bought them at ASDA, the UK division of Wal-Mart. I also bought a package of Jammie Dodgers (re the previous HPfGU-OT discussion on British foods) to include with the books. It was a wonderful experience, and I hope to be able to go back there someday, perhaps when JKR isn't so busy. ^_^ We enjoyed a couple of days in London, too, but there it was friggin' *COLD*!! Ms. Tattersall From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 13:46:22 2005 From: jferer at yahoo.com (Jim Ferer) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:46:22 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SSSusan: Does this bother anyone besides me? It bothers me. They're butchering the series. Either do it right or quit. SSSusan:"If she's not in OotP, then I think I'll join Entropy in the Royally Fed up with the Movies Camp. The 12 GP scenes, esp. those between Molly & Sirius, are vital to understanding Harry, imo. Then again, I would've thought the hug was, too, though I'll admit that conveying to the audience the information that this was his first "parental" hug since 15 months of age might've been difficult. I sure hope they're keeping the scene itself, though, as it's where Hermione snatches Bug!Rita, where Snape sees Sirius transform, etc." It'll be worse than Azkaban in that everybody and everything just whizzes by. Someone complained that Maggie Smith only had a cameo part in PoA; I thought *everybody* except the Trio and Lupin had a cameo part. I agree completely that the hug scene is essential. At the very least I wish they'd film it and have a "director's cut" edition. Uh, maybe not "director's cut." How about "fan's cut?" It's drive-by moviemaking. Phooey. Jim Ferer From plungy116 at aol.com Sat Jan 29 19:02:21 2005 From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:02:21 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ferer" wrote: I thought *everybody* except the Trio and Lupin had a > cameo part. > > I agree completely that the hug scene is essential. At the very least > I wish they'd film it and have a "director's cut" edition. Uh, maybe > not "director's cut." How about "fan's cut?" > > It's drive-by moviemaking. Phooey. > > Jim Ferer I have said this before, I like the film PoA as a film in its own right, but having just watched it again this evening, it's beginning to annoy me more and more in terms of missing out vital bits of the book. Its been discussed to death, but missing out the padfoot, prongs, moontail and moony info is just daft (how are they going to explain it later?),and the scene in Madame Rosemerta's upstairs room...You know, Peter pettigrew, that small, rat like boy who used to hang round with James and Sirius...Duh!! Credit the audience with a little intelligence...there are much more subtle ways of condensing the story. GoF is a long book with a lot of story in it, and, of course, all of it isn't going to fit into a 2 hour film, some stuff will have to be cut out...but Molly? Isn't she integral? Aren't the Dursleys for that matter? Does JKR have as much input now? What does she say? Sarah >>>steam coming out of her ears like Harry In PoA - what sweet does he eat?<<< From kempermentor at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 19:57:44 2005 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: A new hope (not Star Wars related) was Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050129195744.79136.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> I'm one of the few that thought the first two movies were vapid, eye candy. I'm also one of the few who thought the third was better because it at least had a soul. But there's hope... maybe not for the next three movies... but there's hope. Right now, somewhere in this world, there is a Li'l Petey Jackson growing up watching these movies and expecting more. And he or she is thinking, "I can make this better." This Li'l Petey will, through the grace of JKR, get the movie rights decades from now, and we'll be posting messages in the yahoo group... HP for Senior/Honored Citizens-OTChatter... still bitching about yahoomort, but excitedly writing about the remake of SS and looking forward to the following November to see what Li'l Petey does with CoS and to purchase SS on DVD, or what ever the new technology is. We will be all abuzz about how all seven movies were made within 7 years and how the studio will be releasing one a year for the next 7 years. "Oh my God," we will say. "This is too exciting... my chest hurts. Where's my aspirin?" I will be posting how much I like the new Harry over that no-talent Daniel to which everyone else on the list will be sending me hate mail. I will be disappointed in the new Ron..."he's no Rupert," I will post sadly. After the new CoS comes to the Multiplexs we will here that an SS Special Extended DVD (or whatever the tech is) Edition. Heart's a flutter... gotta save up... where's my aspirin? June will come, we'll buy it and Ooh!...the Appendices!!! We'll be so ecstatic that there is no effing head asking super-effing lame interview questions. The Appendices will be intelligent and honor its fans. Many of us might not be here then, but we will watch the movies from behind the veil. Kemper who loves Rupert!Ron and is tired of seeing him look like the Cowardly Lion in the movie posters, wtf. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From plungy116 at aol.com Sat Jan 29 21:26:51 2005 From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:26:51 -0000 Subject: A new hope (not Star Wars related) was Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: <20050129195744.79136.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor wrote: > But there's hope... maybe not for the next three movies... but there's hope. Right now, somewhere in this world, there is a Li'l Petey Jackson growing up watching these movies and expecting more. And he or she is thinking, "I can make this better." Many of us might not be here then, but we will watch the movies from behind the veil. Kemper who loves Rupert!Ron and is tired of seeing him look like the Cowardly Lion in the movie posters, wtf. I agree. I'm going to rant now. Daniel Radcliffe does not have messy black hair, Emma Watson does not have bushy hair or buck teeth. Rupert is perfectly cast, but there is such a thing as make up, false teeth, hair dye. There have been some inspirational castings - Alan Rickman IS Snape, and Maggie Smith as McGonagal is just perfect... I'm not dismissing the films totally, I like them...but you're right, in a few years time, when special effects have taken further leaps, and shoddy acting won't be tolerated, maybe if there is a Li'l Petey out there... Of course there will be 7 books by then, but some hefty volumes in there, maybe 10 films would allow all the important stuff to be left intact?!?! Sarah xx From sherriola at earthlink.net Sat Jan 29 21:28:09 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:28:09 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A new hope (not Star Wars related) was Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: <20050129195744.79136.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a601c50649$6ea36b30$0400a8c0@pensive> I loved your post! I hope I'm here when that great day comes. And by the way, I like Rupert too, actually think of the actors who play the trio, he is the best, most natural actor and in his part. I wish he'd get more screen time and be able to have some of Ron's great moments, instead of Emma always getting the good stuff. Thanks for the entertaining vision of the future! Sherry -----Original Message----- From: kemper mentor [mailto:kempermentor at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:58 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A new hope (not Star Wars related) was Re: No Molly in GoF movie I'm one of the few that thought the first two movies were vapid, eye candy. I'm also one of the few who thought the third was better because it at least had a soul. But there's hope... maybe not for the next three movies... but there's hope. Right now, somewhere in this world, there is a Li'l Petey Jackson growing up watching these movies and expecting more. And he or she is thinking, "I can make this better." This Li'l Petey will, through the grace of JKR, get the movie rights decades from now, and we'll be posting messages in the yahoo group... HP for Senior/Honored Citizens-OTChatter... still bitching about yahoomort, but excitedly writing about the remake of SS and looking forward to the following November to see what Li'l Petey does with CoS and to purchase SS on DVD, or what ever the new technology is. We will be all abuzz about how all seven movies were made within 7 years and how the studio will be releasing one a year for the next 7 years. "Oh my God," we will say. "This is too exciting... my chest hurts. Where's my aspirin?" I will be posting how much I like the new Harry over that no-talent Daniel to which everyone else on the list will be sending me hate mail. I will be disappointed in the new Ron..."he's no Rupert," I will post sadly. After the new CoS comes to the Multiplexs we will here that an SS Special Extended DVD (or whatever the tech is) Edition. Heart's a flutter... gotta save up... where's my aspirin? June will come, we'll buy it and Ooh!...the Appendices!!! We'll be so ecstatic that there is no effing head asking super-effing lame interview questions. The Appendices will be intelligent and honor its fans. Many of us might not be here then, but we will watch the movies from behind the veil. Kemper who loves Rupert!Ron and is tired of seeing him look like the Cowardly Lion in the movie posters, wtf. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 02:36:55 2005 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:36:55 -0000 Subject: Sirius in GoF Movie Message-ID: I was just at Mugglenet and while browsing around, I went into GoF Movie page and WOW, Gary Oldam looks hot. This is just like I pictured Sirius while reading the books. I used to believe that Gary Oldman was the wrong choice for the part but now I congratulate the producers and casting directors for the excellent choice. Here's the link: http://www.mugglenet.com/castpages/other/garyoldman.shtml Juli From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Jan 30 04:46:41 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:46:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Seeking those yanked GOF pics? And first week at new job. Message-ID: <3673.4.47.27.252.1107060401.squirrel@4.47.27.252> As usual, I'm behind on reading info and evidently the GOF calendar pics of Krum, mermaid, golden egg, etc were yanked. Does anyone have some private copies they could relay to me for personal viewing? Oh, and my first week at the new job... Guh. {tired expression} Y'know, I'm willing to learn but there's no one to teach the skills I need for the job and... failure really isn't an option for me because there are over a dozen folk ready to take the job away (I've seen the applications still coming in and they could squash me like an ant). So, first week on the job and my reaction can be summed up: appalled. It's like: Let me show you this task *once* and you're barely given time to take notes and you're expected to know how to do it on software you've never used before and to know where various digital and paper files are (when you were shown very little). Plus, the tasks were shown out of sequence by someone also learning the software. I *know* I can learn the job but I'm not given the *time* to do so, and the supervisor thinks the previous office gal trained me... {snort} Within the three days I was supposed to be trained, which is a *very* short timeframe to begin with, she was out taking several smoking breaks and making numerous personal calls each day before she left. This ranks as the most incomplete training experience I've had... before being basically told 'here, have at it' and I'm left alone. The supervisor is even worse at training. After saying all that, the job itself isn't bad and neither is the working environment, I was given a dollar more per hour than what I asked for, and they knew what I had training in to start with... but I really have so many obstacles to overcome. Maybe it's just me but I'm used to someone showing me how a job is done from start to finish, allowing me to take notes, and then overseeing how well I do from the notes *before* leaving me alone. Dina From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 30 05:02:21 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 30 Jan 2005 05:02:21 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1107061341.269.56484.m20@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 30, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Jan 30 05:23:14 2005 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:23:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Saw 'em! Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Seeking those yanked GOF pics? In-Reply-To: <3673.4.47.27.252.1107060401.squirrel@4.47.27.252> References: <3673.4.47.27.252.1107060401.squirrel@4.47.27.252> Message-ID: <4156.4.47.27.252.1107062594.squirrel@4.47.27.252> Finally saw the GOF pics! I get a kick out of conceptual sketches because they remind me of those old sci-fi book covers. Hm, I thought the golden egg would be bigger--though, not as big as the golden eggs from Willy Wonka. {g} Dina From tonks_op at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 05:43:39 2005 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:43:39 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Luna said: > I know the TLC teaser report said they were cutting a lot, but that what remained was excellent ... this decision leaves me to wonder. The story isn't all about 'action' and special effects ... heck, they even added a scene where Hermoine kisses Krum! I think it would be more necessary to keep the hospital wing scene and omit the kiss that isn't in the book in the first place. > Tonks here: Oh my, this is very depressing news. Are we really sure? I really hate Hollywood on this one if they have to have a lovey dovey scene with Hermione and Krum and not the scene with Mrs. Weasley. That is my favorite too. It just broke my heart when Mrs. Weasley huged him like a mother. And he really needed that too. Those Hollywood people are just stupid. They don't understand the Harry Potter fans. What will they do next, put Hermione in some low cut slinky dress? We don't want sex and more sex in Harry Potter. We want the real book. It is bad enough that the whole movie is only going to be 2 1/2 hours long instead of 3 hours like it should be. But what are you going to do? Warner Brothers just wants to make money. They don't want to make a great movie!! I will see it, but I an not looking forward to it like I did with the first 2. I hope at least they dress like Wizards this time instead of like a bunch of Muggle kids. I hated the jeans and that pink top that didn't cover her back. Uck... I want to see a WIZARD dressed like a Wizard!! Thanks for letting me rant. Tonks_op From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 06:25:22 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:25:22 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: <001901c503b8$ae57c2a0$0400a8c0@pensive> Message-ID: Sherry wrote: > The Scene before the big Maze test where Harry shows Mrs Weasley and Bill around and yes I also felt the Hug was one of the most touching so far. I had tears running down my face during > that scene. Also what about the whole "I want you to meet each other" from Dumbledoor when he has Serius transform into a person in front of Snape and Mrs Weasley. I am bummed. But then I was looking forward to the Quidditch cup scene with Archy at the water fountain> in the Muggle dress stating that he likes a healthy dose of air around his privates lol. I cracked up out loud at work when I read that scene. And it was just one of those scenes that didn't hit everyone as funny as it did me. > > Another Sherry responded: > oh, I think the Archie scene is one of the most hilarious in the whole series. I too cracked up, laughing aloud. and I still do every time I read it! Carol notes: I think (hope) they'll keep the scene where Sirius transforms in front of Snape. They almost *have* to in order to show that Snape didn't know th Marauders were Animagi (but then they cut so much of that relationship out of PoA that maybe it doesn't matter). But still, imagine Rickman!Snape's face when Padfoot transforms into Sirius. Gotta keep that, and the handshake, too, and Snape sweeping out the door to go on his mysterious, perilous mission. Sad as I am to see them leave out Mrs. Weasley, she doesn't absolutely have to be there. Snape does. I don't think Bill will be there, either. (They cut *Percy*, so it's most unlikely that they'll keep Bill. Which means they also cut one of my favorite lines, Fred saying, "Shut up, Weatherby" to Percy. I know it doesn't sound funny out of context, but in the book it cracks me up every time. The whole running joke with Percy as Weatherby is gone, along with Percy running out into the water to hug Ron after the Second Task. Too bad--that side of Percy is badly needed to contrast with the Percy of OoP. Hope they don't leave *him* out because I'm sure something important involving him in coming up in HBP.) BTW, I'm glad that the two previous posters have the same name because I get confused in attributing posts when the newest comment is at the top of the message. Carol, wishing she could be in the theater with SSS to see her reaction when Hermione gives Harry the hug that should have been Molly's From gwhlevy at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 30 07:12:30 2005 From: gwhlevy at sbcglobal.net (Grant Levy) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:12:30 -0000 Subject: Movies vs. Books Message-ID: Because so much has to be left out of the movies, I've encouraged everyone one I meet who says they've only seen the movies to read the books. It fleshes out the story *so* much for them when the see what was left out. Especially regarding inter-character relationships. Grant Levy "Grantham MacGregor" From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 07:14:52 2005 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:14:52 -0000 Subject: Moaning Myrtle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > >>Interesting side note: Shirley Henderson was born in 1965 and is playing a twelve-year-old girl in CoS! > > David: > > > How do we know her age? Moaning Myrtle's, that is, not Henderson's. > > Sue: > > > Presumably based on the year of school she was in when she died. She would have to be between 11 and about 18, independent of that information, since she was a student when she died. > David: > Yes, but Carol gave a precise figure of 12, and I was wondering where that came from. > > David Carol responds: For some reason, I was under the impression that she was a second-year when she died, maybe because that's what Harry and his friends are when they first encounter her. Certainly she seems close to Harry's age in both her behavior and her reaction to him. I suppose she might be a bit older since she has a pimple or two, but given her tears and tantrums she can't be more than about thirteen. Or so I would hope. And Headmaster Dippet refers to her as a "little girl" (CoS Am. ed. 244). But I should have said "about twelve" rather than "twelve." Carol, who clearly needs to read CoS again From bruney200 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 07:18:58 2005 From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:18:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Movies vs. Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050130071858.28368.qmail@web40523.mail.yahoo.com> I love reading the books better because it is so well written and when you watch the movies they take out a lot whats happening in the books and it messes the movie up. I wish JK Rowling could say something about that. Tasha --- Grant Levy wrote: > > Because so much has to be left out of the movies, > I've encouraged > everyone one I meet who says they've only seen the > movies to read the > books. It fleshes out the story *so* much for them > when the see what > was left out. Especially regarding inter-character > relationships. > > Grant Levy > "Grantham MacGregor" > > > > ===== http://simply-baby.net/tickers/pregimage.php?id=3947 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From sherriola at earthlink.net Sun Jan 30 14:31:05 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:31:05 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Movies vs. Books In-Reply-To: <20050130071858.28368.qmail@web40523.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c506d8$55b9a6e0$0400a8c0@pensive> I think JKR does have some say, such as saying that certain things must be left in or keep out because of future events in the series. I would doubt that she has herself totally involved in it, because that would take up a lot of time, from family and writing. Besides, as a writer myself, I would so dread to be involved in the process of having someone pick apart my baby for suitable filming. I also think that we don't have a director and writers who have loved and studied the books for a long time and who are committed to honoring them through film. What Peter Jackson did for LOTR is highly unusual and could have been disastrous in some ways. There was a lot of talk before Fellowship of the ring was released about how the movies would be received. Many pundits doubted the success of the movies because of the way Jackson filmed them all at once and worked so hard to stay so true to canon, even thought he did have to change some things. But the LOTR fans and scholars and newbies loved them. I think it will take someone years down the road, to come to the HP books in that way, before we can get the wonderfully detailed and truly committed masterpieces such as LOTR. And then, when we do, we'll be more able to accept the changes that have to be made to tell the story, because we'll know the people involved only change what they must to tell the story the best way in film. But we all know that the WB just wants to have a rapidly producing cash cow. so, that time isn't now. But who knows what can happen even by films 5, 6, or 7. I'm thinking though that if GoF is as bad as POA, I may not bother to waste my time to see more HP movies after that. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Tasha [mailto:bruney200 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:19 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Movies vs. Books I love reading the books better because it is so well written and when you watch the movies they take out a lot whats happening in the books and it messes the movie up. I wish JK Rowling could say something about that. Tasha --- Grant Levy wrote: > > Because so much has to be left out of the movies, > I've encouraged > everyone one I meet who says they've only seen the > movies to read the > books. It fleshes out the story *so* much for them > when the see what > was left out. Especially regarding inter-character > relationships. > > Grant Levy > "Grantham MacGregor" > > > > ===== http://simply-baby.net/tickers/pregimage.php?id=3947 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From plungy116 at aol.com Sun Jan 30 15:38:56 2005 From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:38:56 -0000 Subject: Sirius in GoF Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" wrote: > > I was just at Mugglenet and while browsing around, I went into GoF > Movie page and WOW, Gary Oldam looks hot. This is just like I > pictured Sirius while reading the books. I used to believe that Gary Oldman was the wrong choice for the part but now I congratulate the producers and casting directors for the excellent choice. > > Juli Ah Yes, I forgot to say in my previous rant that Gary Oldman did portray the "Askaban'd" slightly mad and drawn Sirius excellently. He's such a versatile actor that I never had any doubt about his casting. In GoF, Sirius will be healthier, his teeth will be white and his hair will be washed (but still deliciously long and black)and Gary Oldman will gain a whole new fan base of pubescent girls attracted to the mean and moody man of mystery and hidden depths (that aren't old enough to appreciate the super meaness that is Severus Snape/Alan Rickman)It will be Count Dracula all over again...mmmm... Sarah xx From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 30 16:02:13 2005 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 30 Jan 2005 16:02:13 -0000 Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat Message-ID: <1107100933.23.42254.m3@yahoogroups.com> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Weekly Chat Date: Sunday, January 30, 2005 Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. To get there, go into any Yahoo chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'. Hope to see you there! From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 18:08:44 2005 From: jferer at yahoo.com (Jim Ferer) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:08:44 -0000 Subject: A new hope (not Star Wars related) was Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: <20050129195744.79136.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kempor:"> Right now, somewhere in this world, there is a Li'l Petey Jackson growing up watching these movies and expecting more. And he or she is thinking, "I can make this better." They should have given it to Hayao Miyazaki in the first place. Kempor:"I will be posting how much I like the new Harry over that no-talent Daniel to which everyone else on the list will be sending me hate mail." ....while you stay home when Daniel makes another autograph appearance at the "Thirtieth Anniversay Harry Potter Convention"... and a special appearance by Steve VanderArk's brain, preserved at the soul of the Hogwarts!2050 computer system. Jim Ferer From spoonmerlin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 18:45:04 2005 From: spoonmerlin at yahoo.com (Brent) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:45:04 -0000 Subject: Has anyone else noticed amazon lists HBP as 704 pages in the Deluxe version Message-ID: This would put it in about 1/2 a chapter under GoF. Also they have something called Library Binding version at 672 pages. Anyone know the difference between the regular and Deluxe versions? On OotP the deluxe and regular are both listed at 870 pages. While this is no proof of length as it is not an offical source if it is correct then this is gives us an idea on how long it is. Anyone else see a page count much different? Brent From spoonmerlin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 19:14:47 2005 From: spoonmerlin at yahoo.com (Brent) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:14:47 -0000 Subject: A new hope (not Star Wars related) was Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: <20050129195744.79136.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor wrote: > Right now, somewhere in this world, there is a Li'l Petey Jackson growing up watching these movies and expecting more. And he or she is thinking, "I can make this better." > I think this would be better as a series of miniseries. Like 4-6 hours per book. I missed all the stuff cut out for these movies. Some of the good supporting roles are not developed at all. Fred and George are lost so far in the background as are many of the others. > > Kemper > who loves Rupert!Ron and is tired of seeing him look like the Cowardly Lion in the movie posters, wtf. > I wish they would stop giving all his good lines to Hermione. Brent From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jan 30 21:18:03 2005 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:18:03 -0000 Subject: my computer / Scilly / World War I / The movies / Message-ID: This is my new computer; it has all the keys in unexpected places, different from both my old computer and my computer at work. I still don't have my FILES and ADDRESS BOOK and BOOKMARKS -- Tim ordered an external hard drive thingy from the Web (to house the hard drive from the dead computer) but IT HASN'T EVEN SHIPPED YET! David wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25802 : << ...the Isles of Scilly... >> Complete change of subject: does anyone know what that name means? I looked it up and found that it's pronounced "Silly", which charms me, but I was hoping it was somehow related to Scylla, the nymph/monster across the channel from Charybdis. Incidentally, "Scylla" means "puppy". << I agree that to put all the blame on Germany is a little one-sided, but somehow your rebuttal of the charge of mass insanity is not working for me here. >> :) But I meant that the masses didn't go insane; they just obeyed their governments (many monarchical and the others run by elites). (Btw I completely agree with Susiequsie's reply to your "hug" post.) Kemper wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25846 : << But there's hope... maybe not for the next three movies... but there's hope. Right now, somewhere in this world, there is a Li'l Petey Jackson growing up watching these movies and expecting more. And he or she is thinking, "I can make this better." >> Yes, but even tho' the part of Snape will be perfectly cast, it WILL NOT make up for having missed seeing ALAN RICKMAN chew the scenery in the Shrieking Shack scene. I wish the current crew of actors could make another film titled just "The Shrieking Shack" of just those two (?) chapters, no need to explain that Sirius Black is a wanted criminal or that Lupin and Snape are teachers or that Harry's parents were killed -- just assume the audience knows that. But do feel free to go into flashbacks while Lupin and Black are telling their stories. Tonks_op wrote http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/25853 : <> Yes, her gown for the Yule Ball. Isn't that canonical? From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 21:55:15 2005 From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:55:15 -0000 Subject: I am on Boston.com today for looking like Dan Radcliffe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" wrote: > > > Hey, can't find it. Please post the link! > imamommy Hm, did they pull the page now that it's a week later? But I uploaded the photo they used on Boston.com to http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/ajl/blog.html --A. From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 22:35:43 2005 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:35:43 -0000 Subject: Sirius in GoF Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" wrote: > > Juli > Ah Yes, I forgot to say in my previous rant that Gary Oldman did > portray the "Askaban'd" slightly mad and drawn Sirius excellently. > He's such a versatile actor that I never had any doubt about his > casting. In GoF, Sirius will be healthier, his teeth will be white > and his hair will be washed (but still deliciously long and black) and > Gary Oldman will gain a whole new fan base of pubescent girls > attracted to the mean and moody man of mystery and hidden depths > (that aren't old enough to appreciate the super meaness that is > Severus Snape/Alan Rickman)It will be Count Dracula all over > again...mmmm... > Sarah xx Juli: As an actor he [Gary Oldman] is absolutely amazing, I love the way he acts, it was just his looks in PoA that didn't convince me, I know he was supposed to look like hell, but it was just a bit too much for my taste. I agree that teenager may not find Alan Rickman sexy, he doesn't have the typical good looks, but he's sooo sexy. Have you ever seen the movie Dogma (also staring Matt Damon, Ben Affleck and Alanis Morrisette)? He looks even hotter there From shalimar07 at aol.com Sun Jan 30 22:48:29 2005 From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:48:29 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sirius in GoF Movie Message-ID: <13c.bdd8e44.2f2ebe3d@aol.com> If you're a big fan of Alan Rickman you should check out the movie "Truely, Madly, Deeply"... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 31 04:23:43 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:23:43 EST Subject: Baby question Message-ID: Hey Moms, and well Dads too for that matter, I was just wondering if any of you could help me with something. My daughter is nearly 9 months old, and she still doesn't talk. She is, and always has been ahead of schedule as far as physical development, but she still doesn't say any real words. My friend's daughter, could say Mama, Daddy, Hi, and No, by the time she was 8-9 months, and I am just wondering if I should be worried. Her hearing seems to be fine, and when her hearing was tested at the hospital at birth she passed. If any of you could tell me when your kids started talking, it would help me decide what I should do. Thanks!!! Chancie ~~~also, I did want to add, that she does babble, and the baby sites that discuss developmental milestones usually say babies start saying Dada, at around 6 months or so. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 06:22:30 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:22:30 -0000 Subject: Baby question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote: > Hey Moms, and well Dads too for that matter, I was just wondering > if any of you could help me with something. My daughter is > nearly 9 months old, and she still doesn't talk. She is, and > always has been ahead of schedule as far as physical > development, but she still doesn't say any real words. > My friend's daughter, could say Mama, Daddy, Hi, and > No, by the time she was 8-9 months, and I am just wondering > if I should be worried. Her hearing seems to be fine, and when > her hearing was tested at the hospital at birth she passed. > If any of you could tell me when your kids started talking, > it would help me decide what I should do. > > Thanks!!! > > Chancie > > ~~~also, I did want to add, that she does babble, and > the baby sites that discuss developmental milestones > usually say babies start saying Dada, at around 6 > months or so. Don't worry! Nine months would be extremely early for actual talking (i.e. saying words and meaning them). At 6 months, when they are "saying" Dada, they are just babbling: making the sound "da-da-da-da" and practicing vocalizing. My earliest talker didn't start saying words and meaning them until just before she turned one year old; the other two began really talking at just over a year. On the other hand, sometimes you will find a child who never talks at all until the age of two or three, at which point he will come out with complete sentences -- apparently my brother-in-law was just such a child. Then of course, when they do start talking, they never shut up until they hit the teenage years. *eyeroll* Annemehr From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 07:04:36 2005 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:04:36 -0000 Subject: Baby question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote: > > Hey Moms, and well Dads too for that matter, I was just wondering > > if any of you could help me with something. My daughter is > > nearly 9 months old, and she still doesn't talk. Then annemehr replied: > Don't worry! A big ditto to that. My toddler didn't say her first word until she was about 11 months old - and then she didn't say it again until around her first birthday. And then, for the next year, she was just quiet as a mouse, barely saying anything. I'd say, her whole second year, she maybe said about 15 distinct words, mostly family names. Now she's 2 1/2, and she just won't shut up. It's amazing how much they learn when you're not paying attention. They're just listening and listening and taking it all in, and then once they think they've got it, BOOM! Language explosion! Okay, now "professional" opinion as a non-practicing linguist: Don't worry. ;) Seriously. If her hearing tests come back normal, and her pediatrician hasn't noticed any strange problem with her mouth/tongue/throat, then there's really nothing you can do until she's around 1 1/2 anyway - when it's going to be a more "obvious" problem. And then, he/she will probably refer you to a pediactric speech therapist, who will check to see that all her neural connections are working right, who will double and triple check her hearing, and then check her reflexes, tongue movements, teeth position, palate, vocal cords, etc. I'd just take it all calmly, and do what you're doing now. Read to her, talk to her, play with her - all the things I'm sure you're already doing. And if you're still concerned after we all tell you not to worry (hehehe), then by all means, ask your pediatrician what he/she thinks you should do, and if he/she thinks you should get in touch with EI (Early Intervention) specialists early. But mark my words... I'll bet in about 4 1/2 years when she's in Kindergarten (like my oldest! How did that happen???), you'll be grateful for bedtime, because you'll finally get some peace and quiet. :) Hope that helps! -JenP with help from Ginger (almost 6!) and Allie (2 1/2) From chnc1024 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 31 07:32:31 2005 From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:32:31 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Baby question Message-ID: <13c.be23ba5.2f2f390f@aol.com> In a message dated 1/30/2005 10:25:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, annemehr at yahoo.com writes: Don't worry! Nine months would be extremely early for actual talking (i.e. saying words and meaning them). At 6 months, when they are "saying" Dada, they are just babbling: making the sound "da-da-da-da" and practicing vocalizing. My earliest talker didn't start saying words and meaning them until just before she turned one year old; the other two began really talking at just over a year. On the other hand, sometimes you will find a child who never talks at all until the age of two or three, at which point he will come out with complete sentences -- apparently my brother-in-law was just such a child. Then of course, when they do start talking, they never shut up until they hit the teenage years. *eyeroll* Annemehr **************************************************** Chancie: Thanks for the feed back, however, I feel I must clarify my meaning of "babble". She doesn't say "dadadadada" or "mamamama", it is actually hard to discern any consonants in her "words" the closest thing she's gotten to a 'D' sound is a cross between a 'G', a 'J', and a 'D'. It almost sounds like she's really trying to speak another language than English. From what I read (not that I try to fit Kiley-my daughter- in to any kind mold or judge her progress on other children, because they do all develop at different rates, however I do use them as a guide to try and flag any potential problems and bring it to the attention of her Dr. if need be.) babies usually know the difference between the words "Mama" and "Dada" at around 11 months (as you said, right before the first birthday). My worry is that even though she can hear, perhaps she can't hear clearly. It is reassuring to hear about your brother-in-law! My mother says that sometimes a child will be more interested in getting around than actually talking, and as a result end up talking later. I don't know if that's true or not, she has a tendency to tell me things so that I don't worry too much. So if anyone could offer any advice, or tell me your opinions, it would be greatly appreciated! Chancie~who in her mother's defense does have a tendency to worry more than is needed, especially since her daughter was born! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From heidi at heidi8.com Mon Jan 31 09:22:27 2005 From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 04:22:27 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Has anyone else noticed amazon lists HBP as 704 pages in the Deluxe version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1107163377.2543A000@dg11.dngr.org> There's an explanation of this from a few days ago at http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org - basically, the HBP deluxe will have larger versions of the chapter art, whereas the deluxes of prior books didn't have such a showcase, and the UK books don't have chapter art at all. Heidi On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 1:57 pm, Brent wrote: > > > > This would put it in about 1/2 a chapter under GoF. > > Also they have something called Library Binding version at 672 pages. > > Anyone know the difference between the regular and Deluxe versions? > > On OotP the deluxe and regular are both listed at 870 pages. > > While this is no proof of length as it is not an offical source if it > is correct then this is gives us an idea on how long it is. > > Anyone else see a page count much different? > > > Brent > > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin > Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from > posts to which you're replying! > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From Vivamus at TaprootTech.com Mon Jan 31 09:53:55 2005 From: Vivamus at TaprootTech.com (Vivamus) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 04:53:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Baby question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501310454942.SM01056@devbox> > Chancie: > Hey Moms, and well Dads too for that matter, I was just > wondering if any of you could help me with something. My > daughter is nearly 9 months old, and she still doesn't talk. > She is, and always has been ahead of schedule as far as > physical development, but she still doesn't say any real words. > My friend's daughter, could say Mama, Daddy, Hi, and No, by > the time she was 8-9 months, and I am just wondering if I > should be worried. Her hearing seems to be fine, and when > her hearing was tested at the hospital at birth she passed. > If any of you could tell me when your kids started talking, > it would help me decide what I should do. Vivamus: Here's a Dad's perspective. If she is babbling, then she IS talking, just not making word sounds. Of my two, one started her first words at about 12 1/2 months, but then was talking in full paragraphs by 15 months. By the time she was 18 months, her speech was indistinguishable from that of adults, with the exception of some baby lisping and subject matter. (There are some very amusing stories around her early conversations with adults.) My second child didn't say his first words until he was two and a half, causing his Dad much worry. When he finally started to talk, though, it was in full sentences, and he was talking the same as any other kid his age within a week or two. He still doesn't talk as much as his sister -- but no one else does, either! (Actually, that's not fair to my daughter. She is quite extroverted, but not as talkative as some other girls her age.) Both kids have done well in the gifted programs in school, so I'd say my fears were definitely NOT justified. Here is one thing we did with both of them early on, that may have affected how quickly our daughter got up to full speed on the language, once she started talking. We had read somewhere that children have brain development that is capable of understanding language many months before they are physically able to make the very complex muscular movements needed to speak. So, at about seven months, we started teaching our daughter sign language. We showed her "hungry", "thirsty", "please" and "thank you", and a few other words, which helped a lot in our figuring out what she wanted. She loved playing the interactive games with us -- especially when it got her what she actually wanted instead of our best guess. It didn't work as well with our son -- probably because he saw his sister interacting with us using words -- but he just wasn't interested. Some of that may be boy/girl differences, as well. Anyway, if she is babbling at that age, your girl is fine. I agree with the others, that once she starts talking, she just won't stop. There is also a big difference between saying a few word sounds (Dada, Mama, ba [for ball], etc.) and talking. One is learning that making a sound goes with seeing or holding a particular object; the other is real communication. Some babies seem to be more interested in the first than others, but I wouldn't put much weight on it. I think the babbling babies do is mimicking talking, not word sounds. I.e., she is looking FORWARD to talking your ears off; she just doesn't know how yet. Vivamus, who cherishes every second of every day he can spend with his two, and REALLY wishes he had a time-turner, so he could go back and tape some of the thousands of priceless moments now gone forever From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 31 13:25:37 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:25:37 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol, wishing she could be in the theater with SSS to see her > reaction when Hermione gives Harry the hug that should have been > Molly's SSSusan, reporting in after a weekend away from this list! Carol, you just get yourself to Indiana, and I'd be happy to sit next to you for that fateful moment. In fact, we could rein each other in, as I suspect you might need to be buckled into your seat for the "Snape, meet Sirius" scene. :-) And Kemper, I'm with you about Rupert!Ron. He's wonderful, even if the screenwriters/directors have underutilized him. They've turned him into Clown!Ron and Sidekick!Ron and Rubberface!Ron, instead of letting him have some of his true moments [like being the one to explain "mudblood" in CoS and being the one to say, "If you want to kill Harry, you're going to have to kill us first!"]. Hopefully this will change with GoF. Siriusly Snapey Susan From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 31 13:36:18 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:36:18 -0000 Subject: Sirius in GoF Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Juli said: > I was just at Mugglenet and while browsing around, I went into GoF > Movie page and WOW, Gary Oldam looks hot. This is just like I > pictured Sirius while reading the books. I used to believe that > Gary Oldman was the wrong choice for the part but now I congratulate > the producers and casting directors for the excellent choice. SSSusan: I followed that link, Julie, and just to clarify, that's *not* an image from GoF filming, correct? Are you just saying that the particular photo displayed there is how you expected him to look in the HP movies? I just ask because, looking at the clothing and GO's age, it appears to be a photo from a much older movie. Sarah said: > > Gary Oldman will gain a whole new fan base of pubescent girls > > attracted to the mean and moody man of mystery and hidden depths > > (that aren't old enough to appreciate the super meaness that is > > Severus Snape/Alan Rickman)It will be Count Dracula all over > > again...mmmm... Juli responded: > I agree that teenager may not find Alan Rickman sexy, he doesn't > have the typical good looks, but he's sooo sexy. Have you ever seen the movie Dogma? He looks even hotter there. SSSusan: Erm... go take a look at the IMDB boards for Alan Rickman, and you'll find that there is an amazingly large contingent of YOUNG TEENAGED girls who're nuts for Alan Rickman. As... ahem... rather a big fan of AR myself, I was stunned [and a little disconcerted, truth be told] to find 13 year-old-girls squeeeing over 58-year-old AR. Especially about his buck naked scene in Dark Harbor and a couple of choice scenes in An Awfully Big Adventure and Close My Eyes. You're right, Juli, that he doesn't have typical good looks, but I can tell you that there are a bunch of 15- and 16-year-old girls who find his Sheriff of Nottingham or his Anton Mesmer or his Harry in Love, Actually or of course his Severus Snape something to lust over. Siriusly Snapey Susan From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 31 13:43:09 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:43:09 -0000 Subject: Baby question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chancie wrote: > > > Hey Moms, and well Dads too for that matter, I was just > > > wondering if any of you could help me with something. My > > > daughter is nearly 9 months old, and she still doesn't talk. Then annemehr replied: > > Don't worry! JenP said: > I'd just take it all calmly, and do what you're doing now. Read to > her, talk to her, play with her - all the things I'm sure you're > already doing. And if you're still concerned after we all tell you > not to worry (hehehe), then by all means, ask your pediatrician what > he/she thinks you should do, and if he/she thinks you should get in > touch with EI (Early Intervention) specialists early. > > But mark my words... I'll bet in about 4 1/2 years when she's in > Kindergarten (like my oldest! How did that happen???), you'll be > grateful for bedtime, because you'll finally get some peace and > quiet. :) SSSusan: Another ditto from me! Both my kids were early talkers and my son (6) *still* tends to talk non-stop, though my daughter (8 now) stopped talking so much once she taught herself to read. But both my kids were very slow to crawl, walk & get teeth. So I'll bet it's likely just another case of individual kids developing along their individual paths. As JenP said, as long as you know her hearing is okay, I wouldn't sweat anything yet. And JenP, what *I* really want to know is how my *youngest* got to be in kindergarten already! Eeek! Siriusly Snapey Susan From sherriola at earthlink.net Mon Jan 31 14:20:56 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:20:56 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c507a0$14faa6e0$0400a8c0@pensive> Susan, Can I come too? We can all shriek together, if they give Hermione molly's hug! Wouldn't it be great? Sherry -----Original Message----- From: cubfanbudwoman [mailto:susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:26 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Molly in GoF movie > Carol, wishing she could be in the theater with SSS to see her > reaction when Hermione gives Harry the hug that should have been > Molly's SSSusan, reporting in after a weekend away from this list! Carol, you just get yourself to Indiana, and I'd be happy to sit next to you for that fateful moment. In fact, we could rein each other in, as I suspect you might need to be buckled into your seat for the "Snape, meet Sirius" scene. :-) And Kemper, I'm with you about Rupert!Ron. He's wonderful, even if the screenwriters/directors have underutilized him. They've turned him into Clown!Ron and Sidekick!Ron and Rubberface!Ron, instead of letting him have some of his true moments [like being the one to explain "mudblood" in CoS and being the one to say, "If you want to kill Harry, you're going to have to kill us first!"]. Hopefully this will change with GoF. Siriusly Snapey Susan ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 31 14:37:03 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:37:03 -0000 Subject: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: <002001c507a0$14faa6e0$0400a8c0@pensive> Message-ID: "Sherry Gomes" wrote: > Susan, > Can I come too? We can all shriek together, if they give Hermione > molly's hug! Wouldn't it be great? Sure! In fact, I think it would be a stitch to get a bunch of HPfGUers together for a film viewing. Think of all the critiquing which would be going on. And, at least for the Americans amongst us, as Indiana is smack dab in the American heartland, I'm at least conveniently located for everyone to come. :-) (I'm sure that thought horrifies people who think of Indiana as nothing but cornfields, racecars and basketball, but hey.) Siriusly Snapey Susan From sherriola at earthlink.net Mon Jan 31 14:45:54 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:45:54 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Molly in GoF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c507a3$91e69a80$0400a8c0@pensive> Sure! In fact, I think it would be a stitch to get a bunch of HPfGUers together for a film viewing. Think of all the critiquing which would be going on. And, at least for the Americans amongst us, as Indiana is smack dab in the American heartland, I'm at least conveniently located for everyone to come. :-) (I'm sure that thought horrifies people who think of Indiana as nothing but cornfields, racecars and basketball, but hey.) Siriusly Snapey Susan Sherry now That would be so fun! We'd have a blast viewing together and critiquing everything! The theater would never be the same! Sherry ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From rkelley at blazingisp.net Mon Jan 31 14:27:19 2005 From: rkelley at blazingisp.net (Rick & LeAnn Kelley) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:27:19 -0600 Subject: regarding baby question Message-ID: Our older daughter spoke her first true word at eight months, our second daughter at ten months, and our son at thirteen months. However, he didn't speak plainly. We didn't worry about it, having been told that boys develop more slowly than girls. When he was 18 months old the pediatrician discovered our son had fluid in his ears - not from an infection, but from allergies. He could hear sounds, but not clearly. They described it to us as the same as hanging a wet towel over one's ears. He lost those first months of language development, and after he had tubes inserted to keep the fluid drained, they explained to us that he would continue to learn language in the normal process from then on, but only after his brain had developed the rest of his language ability would it go back and pick up those pathways which were missed the first time around. He took a year of speech in first grade and caught up what he still lacked. He just graduated from law school, so it didn't leave any lasting ill effects, but we still felt guilty for not catching it sooner. Any time you are in doubt about your child's health or development, phone the pediatrician's office. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From spin01 at aol.com Mon Jan 31 16:13:19 2005 From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:13:19 -0000 Subject: Indiana GOF movie In-Reply-To: <002001c507a0$14faa6e0$0400a8c0@pensive> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" wrote: > Susan, > > Can I come too? We can all shriek together, if they give Hermione molly's > hug! Wouldn't it be great? > > Sherry Ok this is the other Sherry lol. I live just outside Chicago. Want to make a date to get together and see it? I would so love to do that. My husband and kids tolerate my HP obsession lol but are not all that into it. sherry from chicago > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cubfanbudwoman [mailto:susiequsie23 at s...] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:26 AM > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Molly in GoF movie > > > > > > Carol, wishing she could be in the theater with SSS to see her > > reaction when Hermione gives Harry the hug that should have been > > Molly's > > > SSSusan, reporting in after a weekend away from this list! > > Carol, you just get yourself to Indiana, and I'd be happy to sit next > to you for that fateful moment. In fact, we could rein each other > in, as I suspect you might need to be buckled into your seat for > the "Snape, meet Sirius" scene. :-) > > And Kemper, I'm with you about Rupert!Ron. He's wonderful, even if > the screenwriters/directors have underutilized him. They've turned > him into Clown!Ron and Sidekick!Ron and Rubberface!Ron, instead of > letting him have some of his true moments [like being the one to > explain "mudblood" in CoS and being the one to say, "If you want to > kill Harry, you're going to have to kill us first!"]. Hopefully this > will change with GoF. > > Siriusly Snapey Susan > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from > posts to which you're replying! > > Yahoo! Groups Links From sherriola at earthlink.net Mon Jan 31 17:07:03 2005 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:07:03 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Indiana GOF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003b01c507b7$49bd4ec0$0400a8c0@pensive> And I'm in Colorado, so flying to Indiana wouldn't be so bad. It would be really fun if we could arrange it. grin. Sherry in Colorado -----Original Message----- From: spinelli372003 [mailto:spin01 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:13 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Indiana GOF movie --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" wrote: > Susan, > > Can I come too? We can all shriek together, if they give Hermione molly's > hug! Wouldn't it be great? > > Sherry Ok this is the other Sherry lol. I live just outside Chicago. Want to make a date to get together and see it? I would so love to do that. My husband and kids tolerate my HP obsession lol but are not all that into it. sherry from chicago > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cubfanbudwoman [mailto:susiequsie23 at s...] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:26 AM > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No Molly in GoF movie > > > > > > Carol, wishing she could be in the theater with SSS to see her > > reaction when Hermione gives Harry the hug that should have been > > Molly's > > > SSSusan, reporting in after a weekend away from this list! > > Carol, you just get yourself to Indiana, and I'd be happy to sit next > to you for that fateful moment. In fact, we could rein each other > in, as I suspect you might need to be buckled into your seat for > the "Snape, meet Sirius" scene. :-) > > And Kemper, I'm with you about Rupert!Ron. He's wonderful, even if > the screenwriters/directors have underutilized him. They've turned > him into Clown!Ron and Sidekick!Ron and Rubberface!Ron, instead of > letting him have some of his true moments [like being the one to > explain "mudblood" in CoS and being the one to say, "If you want to > kill Harry, you're going to have to kill us first!"]. Hopefully this > will change with GoF. > > Siriusly Snapey Susan > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from > posts to which you're replying! > > Yahoo! Groups Links ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 31 17:09:44 2005 From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:09:44 -0000 Subject: Indiana GOF movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Sherry Gomes" wrote: > > Can I come too? We can all shriek together, if they give > > Hermione molly's hug! Wouldn't it be great? The Other Sherry: > Ok this is the other Sherry lol. I live just outside Chicago. > Want to make a date to get together and see it? I would so love to > do that. My husband and kids tolerate my HP obsession lol but are > not all that into it. SSSusan: My best HP buddy live in Chi-town, so that might just work. :-) My DH just tolerates my HP obsession, too, but my daughter is a BIG fan and would want to come along. Siriusly Snapey Susan From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com Mon Jan 31 17:20:08 2005 From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:20:08 EST Subject: Chancie - Baby Talk Message-ID: <76.4bcacc69.2f2fc2c8@aol.com> Chancie, Your post made me smile. :) 9 monthes and talking? I think that's early ... babbling, yes, but complete words and sentences, well that's a special child. Just so you know, my son was 3 when he started talking. I was a basket case thinking something was wrong. After he turned 3, he began speaking in sentences. Apparently he spent the first 3 years absorbing language. He will be 6 in March and is in kindergarten now, and last friday (if I may brag a bit) he received an academic award for his reading ability. :) Don't compare your daughter to others. She'll talk when she's ready and she will amaze you with her knowledge and wonder of the world! Enjoy the process. It's fabulous to watch unfold. "Luna" ... aka Christopher's Mom --------------------- "... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic. I love Luna." J.K. Rowling Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004 (Speaking about the meeting between Skeeter, Hermoine and Luna.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 23:27:19 2005 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:27:19 -0000 Subject: Sirius in GoF Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" wrote: > > Juli said: > > I was just at Mugglenet and while browsing around, I went into GoF > > Movie page and WOW, Gary Oldam looks hot. This is just like I > > pictured Sirius while reading the books. I used to believe that > > Gary Oldman was the wrong choice for the part but now I congratulate > > the producers and casting directors for the excellent choice. > > SSSusan: > I followed that link, Julie, and just to clarify, that's *not* an > image from GoF filming, correct? Are you just saying that the > particular photo displayed there is how you expected him to look in > the HP movies? I just ask because, looking at the clothing and GO's > age, it appears to be a photo from a much older movie. > Juli again: oooh. I was sure it was a GoF picture. I'm sooo disappointed, I expected him to look just like that in the movies. Have you actually seen any pictures of Gary Oldman for GoF? I'd appreciate it a lot Juli, almost crying From marycloudt at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 31 23:56:10 2005 From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Jennings) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:56:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Baby question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050131235610.68604.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Annemehr, responding to Chancie's question about baby talk: >>>On the other hand, sometimes you will find a child who never talks at all until the age of two or three, at which point he will come out with complete sentences<<< ***Mary Ann shoves forward her 6-year-old son whose reading ability is two years above his age*** This little guy didn't talk 'til he was 3 1/2. When he first started talking his words were inverted, which was a bit worrying, but now he's fine and talking late certainly hasn't hampered his literacy skills. In fact, he could write his letters and numbers before he could say them. Some kids just do stuff the other way 'round. Annemehr again: >>>Then of course, when they do start talking, they never shut up until they hit the teenage years. *eyeroll*<<< ***eyerolls with Annemehr*** My oldest, who's now 7, said all of 6 words on her second birthday and by the time she was 2 1/2 I was looking for the off button. The girl hasn't shut up since! ;) But, as with her brother, her literacy skills are above average, so no damage done. So please, Chancie, don't worry about your child not "keeping up" with other kids. By the time they're in kindergarten, they're all pretty much at the same level. And the quiet ones are taking it all in, believe me. :) Mary Ann, who can easily out-talk her daughter so should complain about her --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]