From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 00:54:36 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:54:36 -0000
Subject: Elfrida gets her turn
Message-ID: <d7j10c+r6c3@eGroups.com>

Elfrida Clagg, who (we're told) was supposed to be JKR's Wizard of the
Month for May but was somehow replaced by last May's wizard, Felix
Summerbee, is finally getting her turn as Wizard of the Month for
June. Unfortunately, JKR needs a copyeditor for her site as well as
her books;  she and the site designer have left the second "i" out of
"Chieftainess." 

Note that Elfrida has conspicuously green eyes. I wonder if they have
any significance (as in a connection with Lily and Harry).

Carol





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jun  1 02:33:15 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:33:15 -0000
Subject: Snape & Trelawney
In-Reply-To: <d7g8k9+id3t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7j6pb+rivv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
> So yesterday I watched this movie Actually Love, and Alan Rickman is 
> there, he plays Emma Thompson's wife... And I was just imaginig Snape 
> and Trelawney in bed together and i couldn't help myself but to laugh 
> out loud... just picture the both of them together... made you smile, 
> right?
> 
Or, if you *can't* picture it, just check out this link (from the 
fertile imagination of Red Scharlach)

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/faculty/table1.html

   - CMC





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 02:52:13 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:52:13 -0000
Subject: The real Richard III (Was: Assasinations and attitudes towards them)
In-Reply-To: <d7799p+k36m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7j7st+o32o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius"
<coriolan at w...> wrote:


Kathryn wrote: <snip> 
> one hand the number of monarchs that I can remember who have been
killed. Going back from the present day the first one I can think of
is Charles I (and that was a judicial execution), Richard III, Princes
in the Tower, Edward II (death arranged by his wife through judicial
application of a red hot poker somewhere unpleasent), Harold ...
Seriously going all the way back to 1066 that's all that spring to
mind - who have I missed, anyone? I think I'm missing one of the
Henrys, am I?
> > 
> 
CMC responded:
> You may thinking of Henry VI, who was murdered in the Tower of
London on May 21 1471 (some years after being deposed), by none other
than  the Duke of Gloucester, the future King Richard III. Shakespeare
has Richard commit the crime himself; more likely, Richard "merely" 
> supervised the execution. <snip>

Carol responds:
As a member of the Richard III Society, I feel compelled to point out
that Shakespeare's Richard III is a far cry from the real Richard,
either as Duke of Gloucester or King of England. (Note that
Shakespeare has Richard and his older brother George fighting in a
battle that occurred when they were eight and eleven, respectively,
and known to have been sent for safety to Burgundy.)

The real Richard Duke of Gloucester was a boy of eighteen (who had
just proven himself a capable battlefield general) when Henry VI was
murdered. Even the most fiercely anti-Ricardian historians blame
Richard's older brother, Edward IV, for this judicial murder. Richard
was a staunch supporter of his brother (his motto, "Loyaultie me
Lie"--Loyalty Binds Me--reflects this conviction) and both his brother
George (the Duke of Clarence) and Edward's daughters stood between
Richard and the throne if he'd had any interest in usurping it from
the powerful and not always scrupulous Edward. Richard may have been
sent by Edward to supervise the execution as part of his duty as
Constable of England, or more likely to give the order to Lord Dudley,
Constable of the Tower, to do so, but not even the most fiercely
anti-Ricardian historian suggests that the eighteen-year-old Richard
actually killed Henry himself. Nor was it in character for him to do
so. Edward later had *George* executed on suspicion of treason, but he
trusted Richard and rewarded him for his faithful service with more
and more administrative responsibilities. 

Note also that Edward had allowed the deposed and intermittently
insane Henry VI to languish in the Tower, but when Henry's heir,
Edward of Lancaster (one year younger than Richard almost to the day)
was killed in battle, Edward had no reason to keep the deposed madman
alive. Cold-blooded practicality on Edward's part, no question, but
his intention was to snuff out Lancastrian rebellions--which worked
remarkably well until his premature death at forty-one (from
complications of gout) threw the succession into a turmoil. I won't go
into the details, but there were good reasons why Edward IV's son
Edward V, age 12, was never crowned and why he and his brother were
declared illegitimate by Parliament and the crown given to Richard,
known through the kingdom as a just and highly competent
administrator. The former princes, stripped of their titles and claims
by Parliament, were indeed put in the Tower of London, but that
doesn't mean they were in prison. The Tower contained royal apartments
where Richard himself stayed with his queen before their joint
crowning and where queens, including Edward IV's wife, Elizabeth Grey,
gave birth to their children.

As king, Richard III passed beneficial laws (among other things, he
established the right to bail, he removed tariffs from books to
benefit the new printing trade, and he founded the College of Arms to
insure accurate genealogical records for royalty and nobility). He
refused to imprison or execute the two women who plotted against him
(his brother Edward IV's widow, Elizabeth, and Henry Tudor's mother,
Katherine Beaufort). It's very unlikely that he murdered his nephews
since they had been declared illegitimate and he was already king.
Their disappearance could only hurt him (as indeed it did) not help
him. There is no proof that they died (the skeletons in the Tower
could have been girls from Roman times for all we know; the inspection
of the bones in the 1930s took for granted the identity of the
skeletons and the manner of their deaths). If indeed they were
murdered, the two people with motives were Henry Tudor (his shaky
Lancastrian claim would have been invalidated by their existence) and
the Duke of Buckingham, who as warden of the Tower had access to them
and later rebelled against Richard. (My own belief is that Buckingham
did it. He was the only person with both opportunity and motive.) The
learned cleric Thomas Langton wrote of Richard, "God hath sent him for
the weal (well-being) of us all" and William Caxton dedicated his book
"The Order of Chivalry" to him in the hope that his knightly spirit
would be an example to "other young lords knights and gentlemen of
this royaume." (Richard was only thirty when he became king and not
quite thirty-three when he died.)

After Richard's death in battle (the result of a daring downhill
attack on Henry Tudor that would have succeeded if William Stanley's
men hadn't suddenly come to the aid of "the Tydder"), the people of
York, where he had governed as Lord of the North before becoming king,
 expressed their grief that "King Richard, late mercifully reigning
upon us, was. . . piteously slain and murdered, to the great heaviness
of this city." It would be remarkable indeed if the man for whom this
epitaph was written were a heartless murderer and tyrant.

Carol








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 05:26:09 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:26:09 -0000
Subject: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
In-Reply-To: <d6r0o3+mls7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7jgth+piil@eGroups.com>

Sandra wrotes
> 
> > Sandra (off for a cup of tea - the cup is not a unit of 
> > measurement)
> 
Joe responded:
> Oh?  I thought a cup was 8 ounces.  :-)
> 
> When I was in primary school in the 1970's, the United States was
> really on the metric bandwagon. <snip>
> This lasted a very short while.  The mistake was trying to get
> Americans used to metric by having them convert measurements rather
> than taking them for what they are. <snip>
> 
> Ironically, nearly all tooling for American automobiles, and all
> manufacturing for that matter is metric.  My career in electronics has
> ALWAYS been metric.  It's only our everyday life that the conversion
> hasn't taken place.
> 
> Joe

What's still more ironic, at least in my view (and forgive me if
someone else has already pointed this out upthread): The inch, foot,
yard, pint, quart, gallon, etc., are *English* units invented by the
Anglo-Saxons (the mile is Roman but was used in England from fairly
early times)--a pity if the British yield to pressure and give them
up. On the other hand, I could never quite grasp the concept of stone
as a unit of weight, maybe because that one was never used in America
to my knowledge.

Here's a link on the history of English units of measurement that may
be of interest to some of you:

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/custom.html

"Cup" isn't mentioned (maybe because it has to do with cooking rather
than commerce?) but fluid ounces are.

BTW, isn't there a kind of ironic tribute to the English pint at the
end of "1984" (where one of Orwell's few accurate predictions seems to
be the conversion or threat of conversion to the metric system in
England, or what used to be England when Winston Smith was young)? I
can't look it up--a teenager has borrowed my copy of "1984." And
another one, I am happy to say, has become a fan of Charles Dickens
and is trying to read everything he can get his hands on by that
author. I am not, however, going to lend him my copy of "Bleak House"
because he might change his mind! And besides, school is almost out
and I might never get it back.

To return to the metric system: "Give crowns and pound and guineas but
not your life away" works well in poetry, but I'm glad America never
adopted the (former) English monetary system. Metric does have its
uses! But I hope that Britain is content with 100 pence to the pound
and doesn't convert to the Euro. Hold on to your money! And your
history, your literature, and your language. It would be sad, very
sad, if they passed into the keeping of the former colonies.

Carol, who fears that Europe, and especially France, is falling into
another Dark Age





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun  1 12:17:03 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:17:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The real Richard III (Was: Assasinations and attitudes towards them)
References: <d7j7st+o32o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <429DA73F.000001.00852@KATHRYN>

 
 
Carol responds:
As a member of the Richard III Society, I feel compelled to point out
that Shakespeare's Richard III is a far cry from the real Richard,
either as Duke of Gloucester or King of England. (Note that
Shakespeare has Richard and his older brother George fighting in a
battle that occurred when they were eight and eleven, respectively,
and known to have been sent for safety to Burgundy.)
  
<snip>

, but there were good reasons why Edward IV's son
Edward V, age 12, was never crowned and why he and his brother were
declared illegitimate by Parliament and the crown given to Richard,
known through the kingdom as a just and highly competent
administrator. The former princes, stripped of their titles and claims
by Parliament, were indeed put in the Tower of London, but that
doesn't mean they were in prison. The Tower contained royal apartments
where Richard himself stayed with his queen before their joint
crowning and where queens, including Edward IV's wife, Elizabeth Grey,
gave birth to their children.

K

And here you see why I deliberately didn't attribute the deaths of the
Princes to any particular King - the members of the Richard III Society
certainly seem to personify one of Richard's defining characterstics, that
of loyalty ;)

There is no physical evidence that the Princes were killed, but given that
they vanished never to be seen again it's fairly likely. Had either of them
reached adulthood they would most likely have wanted to try an claim the
throne and they would certainly have been the focus for malcontents under
Henry VII. They could have decided the throne was too much hassle nd created
new identities for themselves but it seems unlikely and such secrets are
almost imposible to keep. But if they were alive when Henry VII became king
then he would have had just as much reason to kill them as Richard - more
actually since he was claiming Richard wasn't the true King and that he had
ursurped the place of his brothr's rightful heir (Edward V). Obviously his
claim to the throne becomes a little dodgy using this argument if either
Edward or his brother Richard are still alive. Much as I would actully like
to blame it on Henry (and I would, Richard has many qualities I admire, he
was very loyal and no one could accuse him of cowardice after his behaviour
at Bosworth Field) the Princes were often seen pplaying in the courtyard
while at the Tower to start with but then vanished from sight. Henry VII and
others claimed that they had been killed - surely Richard would have
produced them if they were still alive, it could only have helped his cause
to prove that he hadn't killed them. Having said that there i another
explanation - they may well have been dead by that time, but that doesn't
necessarily mean they wee murdered. They could easily have died from natural
caues (anything contagious would explain why both of them vanished),
mortality during this period, infnt or otherise, was fairly high and being
of Royal birth couldn't save you.

There is some very good evidence that Richard was right in his claim that
his older brother was illegitimate, giving his claim to the throne some
weight. Despite this he had stuck by his brother when others had rebelled
against him, even when the rebels were led by another brother. Having sworn
an oath of loyalty to his King (his brother) he stuck to that, even when
they were losing. The Duke of Gloucester (another brother) led two
rebellions, changing sides whenever the side he was on looked like losing.
As for my earlier comment about his bravery - he led a charge against Henry
in the Battle of Bosworth, which would decide the battle. When the charge
looked likely to fail one of his men actually offered him a horse (so much
for "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse") but he declined - determined
to either succeed or die along with his men on the battlefield. The man
certainly wasn't a saint - but as far as medieval monarchs go, he was
certanly much better as a person than many of thm - whether he was better a
a monarch is an argument I will leave Carol to make as I don't actually know
that much about his record.

K
 
 
 
 

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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jun  1 13:01:21 2005
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:01:21 -0000
Subject: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
In-Reply-To: <d7jgth+piil@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7kbj1+fk5r@eGroups.com>

Carol:
> Here's a link on the history of English units of measurement that may
> be of interest to some of you:
> 
> http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/custom.html
> 
> "Cup" isn't mentioned (maybe because it has to do with cooking rather
> than commerce?) but fluid ounces are.

It's not mentioned because we don't use the cup as a measure over here 
(unless following a US recipe, of course). You can buy sets of 
measuring cups here (I actually use mine chiefly for making porridge), 
but British recipes measure dry ingrediants by weight/spoonfuls and 
liquid ones by fluid ounces/cls or spoonfuls. Measuring jugs often also 
have a scale on them which indicates the equivalent weights of 
sugar/flour but basically we cook by weight rather than volume.

My problem is that I'm old enough to have started cooking in pre-metric 
days and I use balance scales with imperial weights. Increasingly 
recipes use only metric measurements. I do take a certain satisfaction 
in my metric-age daughters all following imperial recipes, though.

~Eloise





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 14:17:20 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Preorder the New Harry Potter Book Today
Message-ID: <20050601141720.87784.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Since we've been talking about the best deals for pre-ordering HBP, I
thought I'd pass along this email I got from Walmart.  The price is
$16.66.  

Sorry that I had to send it as an attachment, but it's HTML, which I
couldn't forward intact.

MJ




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From marilynpeake at cs.com  Wed Jun  1 15:05:28 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:05:28 -0000
Subject: Jonathan Stroud: another book... And other thoughts
In-Reply-To: <20050530220657.18762.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d7kiro+9m34@eGroups.com>

Hi, Kemper,

I saw Star Wars this past weekend and loved it!  It reminded me of 
the ongoing conversation in the main HarryPotterForGrownUps group 
about the fictional portrayal of the real nature of evil and how it 
evolves.  I also saw the trailer for "The Lion, the Witch, and the 
Wardrobe" and am looking forward to seeing the movie.

Best Wishes,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com
  
 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
>  
>> Finally saw Star Wars.  G. Lucas is now redeemed in my 
eyes.  'Narnia' was one of the trailers.  It looks good, but was 
hoping for a GF trailer on the big screen.






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 15:47:58 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Jonathan Stroud: another book... And other thoughts
In-Reply-To: <d7h15b+bju8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050601154759.81252.qmail@web53306.mail.yahoo.com>




>  Kemper wrote:
>  
  I liked the protagonist better than Nathaniel from the

>  Bartimaeus Trilogy, but I hope Nathaniel becomes less power-focused.


bboyminn comments <edit>:


 he learned that the common people are not the mindless cattle he imagined
 

 

Kemper now:

But Nathaniel experienced a common person as compassionate and intelligent in What?s-her-name, the woman who tutored her and in his master?s wife (I think she was a non-wizard
?)



bboyminn continues <edit>:

I haven't read 'Lord of the Rings' but after seeing the movies, I
think I could probably now read and enjoy it. However, years ago I
tried to read 'The Hobbit' at the enthusiastic recommendation of
friends. But it was crushingly dull; page after page after page and
nothing happens. Finally, I gave up. 

 

Kemper advises:

Then definitely steer clear of LoR.  The movies are sweet.

> Kemper concludes:
>
> Those looking for big person book, I stratosphere-highly recommend
> Youth in Revolt by C.D. Payne.  One of the funniest books I've ever 
> read, but I had to read it with a good dictionary.  It's told 
> through the journals of a 14-year-old, high IQ boy.  Hilarity.

bboyminn responds:

I was suprise and pleased to see that 'Youth in Revolt' was compared
to 'The Confederacy of Dunces' and referred to as 'one of those rare
works of comic precision'. That is high praise indeed.

I see that a sequel exists called 'Revolting Youth'. Have you read that?

Also, 'Buried Fire' and 'Leap' are those books by Stroud, or some
other author?

Kemper answers:

The sequel to ?Youth in Revolt? lacks the authentic, youthful voice of the original.  I believe because it was written for profit rather than love as YiR was so successful but in a word of mouth, underground sort of way rather than a financial sort of way.  If you can find it, give it a go
 and seriously, you will need a super-good pocket dictionary.  Unless you?re a big-huge brain like the guy on the list from down under.

 

'Buried Fire' and 'Leap' are books by Stroud.  I think BF is his first, and it shows a bit in his writing but not in the Paolini sort of way.  The writing seems to shift from Omniscient to omniscient-limited to character?s perspective which you would think would mean ?well, its omniscient then? but that?s not the feel.  That said, it?s not jolting to the story.

 

Should you read YR or BF I would be interested in your thoughts, especially YR.

 

Kemper


		
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From chnc1024 at earthlink.com  Wed Jun  1 18:33:17 2005
From: chnc1024 at earthlink.com (Chancie)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:33:17 -0000
Subject: Still having Posting problems, PLEASE HELP
Message-ID: <d7kv1d+m8aq@eGroups.com>


Hi, was wondering if anyone could help me, I changed my email about a 
week and a half ago, and I can't send posts from my email.  I am able 
to receive them to my inbox like I was before, but when I send the 
messages, I receive an email saying that I am not a recognized member 
of this Yahoo Group, and I obviously am since I'm getting email from 
them.  Any suggestions on how I can get this fixed?  I was told 
previously that Yahoo was 3 days behind on processing info, but I've 
passed that time frame quite a few days ago.  



Chancie 






From seuferer at netins.net  Wed Jun  1 19:41:35 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:41:35 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 39 Posted
Message-ID: <d7l31f+v38n@eGroups.com>

In this chapter, we see the Dark Lord `test' Severus' loyalty.  
Warnings for some mention of Death Eater activities, not too 
graphically depicted but still nasty.

Author's Notes and comments can be found in my LiveJournal, I 
am `weasleyfan'.  Anyone can read my journal if you are interested 
in those sorts of things.

It was posted today, it might require up to 24 hours to be `visible' 
on Fanfiction.net

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama, 
hurt/comfort. After OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but 
before Half Blood Prince; so AU to that book when it arrives, 
Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in DE activities because 
of his OotP Spy role, a researcher from Ministry offers to aid and 
assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's Master whom 
she knew slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way too 
much plot for those of you who want PWP.) WIP Rated NC-17.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story has been more thoroughly 'polished' at FFN because I find 
it more user friendly to my technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in 
the 'lemons' on AFN. I can't figure out how to `keep' my italics and 
other font-thingies on AFN. Pathetic, I know, but there you are. 

Hope you enjoy the chapter!






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 20:29:03 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:29:03 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR interview in 2 weeks, send in your ?'s
In-Reply-To: <d7l1ci+bp75@eGroups.com>
References: <d7kum9+j3ma@eGroups.com> <d7l1ci+bp75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005060113295b907b72@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/1/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So, if I can force my own context onto Chancie's post above, two
> proposals are being made-
> 
> 1.) Submit to MSNBC a question that CAN be answered.

What is your preferred flavour for chewing gum?


> 2.) Submit to the group a question that you WANT answered.

Would you consider donating funds to me?  or  Are any HP characters
bisexual or homosexual--other than animals, vegetables, or minerals?
:-)


> Again re-enforcing the point that most question we WANT answered CAN'T
> and won't be answered.

Hm, I never was very good at subtle.

Dina



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 20:39:08 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:39:08 -0000
Subject: Still having Posting problems, PLEASE HELP
In-Reply-To: <d7kv1d+m8aq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7l6dc+k36@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024 at e...> wrote:
> 
> Hi, was wondering if anyone could help me, I changed my email about 
> a week and a half ago, and I can't send posts from my email.  I am 
> able to receive them to my inbox like I was before, but when I send 
> the messages, I receive an email saying that I am not a recognized 
> member of this Yahoo Group, and I obviously am since I'm getting 
> email from them.  Any suggestions on how I can get this fixed?  I 
> was told  previously that Yahoo was 3 days behind on processing 
> info, but I've passed that time frame quite a few days ago.  
> 
> 
> 
> Chancie

bboyminn:

To solve this problem we are going to need details.

You 'changed your email', exactly what does the mean? 

- You changed the active email address in the account of your current
Yahoo user profile?
- You opened a new Yahoo email account thereby creating a new Yahoo
user and user profile?
- You used a new Yahoo email as the active email in an /old/ Yahoo
user profile?
- You opened an account with a completely different email provider?

I suspect sending a email to a group hinges on your username and
return email address being listed as a member of the group. You can go
into the group Member List and find your name, and see if the details
match the appropraite information.

I find the best way to work a change of Username, is to keep a spare
username subscribed to all my favorite groups, that way if something
happens to my current username, I can simply switch to the other.
Also, since the spare username has been around for a long time, I am
past the moderation period.

So, to find a true solution, we are going to need the details of
exactly what you did.

Just trying to help.
Steve/bboyminn






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Jun  1 22:22:03 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:22:03 -0000
Subject: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
In-Reply-To: <d7jgth+piil@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7lceb+siu7@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote:

> But I hope that Britain is content with 100 pence to the pound
> and doesn't convert to the Euro. Hold on to your money! And your
> history, your literature, and your language. It would be sad, very
> sad, if they passed into the keeping of the former colonies.

What, exactly, is the threat to our history, language, and 
literature?  Hollywood?

> Carol, who fears that Europe, and especially France, is falling into
> another Dark Age

Goodness me!  How?

David





From chnc1024 at earthlink.com  Wed Jun  1 23:29:31 2005
From: chnc1024 at earthlink.com (Chancie)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:29:31 -0000
Subject: Still having Posting problems, PLEASE HELP
In-Reply-To: <d7l6dc+k36@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7lgcr+gu37@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024 at e...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, was wondering if anyone could help me, I changed my email 
about 
> > a week and a half ago, and I can't send posts from my email.  I 
am 
> > able to receive them to my inbox like I was before, but when I 
send 
> > the messages, I receive an email saying that I am not a 
recognized 
> > member of this Yahoo Group, and I obviously am since I'm getting 
> > email from them.  Any suggestions on how I can get this fixed?  I 
> > was told  previously that Yahoo was 3 days behind on processing 
> > info, but I've passed that time frame quite a few days ago.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Chancie
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> To solve this problem we are going to need details.
> 
> You 'changed your email', exactly what does the mean? 

>      <snip>
You opened an account with a completely different email provider?
 
 I suspect sending a email to a group hinges on your username and
 return email address being listed as a member of the group. You can 
go into the group Member List and find your name, and see if the 
details match the appropraite information.
> 
> > So, to find a true solution, we are going to need the details of
> exactly what you did.
> 
> Just trying to help.
> Steve/bboyminn



Chancie:
I had posts being send to my personal email account, and 
it changed. ( I had AOL, and now I have EARTHLINK).  I 
went on to Yahoo, and changed my account information to 
have posts sent to EARTHLINK instead of AOL.  I'm getting 
the posts sent to EARTHLINK now just as I should but as 
soon as I send a reply to a post,or post at all, I am 
sent a notice from YAHOO saying " Unable to deliver your 
message" and that I am "not a member of this Yahoo! group.  
To join this group...." well you get the picture.When I 
sign on to YAHOO,  I use my usual yahoo id, and then go 
on to the site and it shows my earthlink address as being 
the address that is being used for my account.  My problem 
is like I said I can't send any posts to either HPforGU or 
OT chatter, without going on the site, I was able to do 
both before I moved from AOL to EARTHLINK, and I didn't do 
anything differnatly this time than I did the last time I set
my account up.  If you could help me figure out why this 
changed I would greatly appreciate it! 










From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun  2 00:03:02 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:03:02 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Still having Posting problems, PLEASE HELP
References: <d7lgcr+gu37@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c56706$7281c8a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Chancie, did you verify your new email
account?  You have to do this every
time you change your email address.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun  2 00:24:10 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:24:10 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Computer question
Message-ID: <429E51AA.000003.01576@KATHRYN>

 I have a software problem and I'm hoping one of you technically minded
people out there can help me.

I tried installing CivIII on  my system (I've had it on there before so I
know it works) and it crashed my computer. Since the start up program was
causing things to freeze I couldn't uninstall it properly so I simply
deleted the folder that it had been installed in (which was stupid I know
but it's way to late to do anything about that now). My problem is the
CivIII setup program refuses to believe it's not still there. It gives me
the options to play, uninstall or reinstall. Play doesn't work because it
can't find the files (not surprising since they're not there), uninstall
thinks it's working but doesn't actually do any good, it tries to uninstall
gets to 1% done (giving the file WINNT/CivilizationIII.exe. as the file it's
deleting) then jumps to 100% done and says it's finished, but the setup
program *still* thinks it's already on my system. Reinstall does the exact
same thing as uninstall. I've tried several times, tried hunting down any
civilization or infogrames files using search, restarted half a dozen times
- nothing works. How do I either convince it that it really is gone so I can
install it again or force it to reinstall?

Help. I just bought the expansion for it and I *really* want to play it.

K




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Jun  2 01:00:03 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:00:03 -0000
Subject: The real Richard III (Was: Assasinations and attitudes towards them)
In-Reply-To: <429DA73F.000001.00852@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d7llmj+40p8@eGroups.com>

(Snipping most of Carol's and Kathryn's very interesting history to 
get to the punch line:)
> As for my earlier comment about his bravery - he led a charge 
against Henry
> in the Battle of Bosworth, which would decide the battle. When the 
charge
> looked likely to fail one of his men actually offered him a horse 
(so much
> for "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse") but he declined - 
determined
> to either succeed or die along with his men on the battlefield.

In one of Hollywood's more absurdly inspired moments, in the 1995 
version of Richard III with Ian McKellan as Richard and Annette 
Bening as Elizabeth (and Maggie Smith as the Duchess of York), which 
was set in WWII-era period style, Richard is on the field of Bosworth 
and his Jeep won't start. He bangs the steering wheel with his fist 
and declares "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse!"

The whizzing sound you heard at that moment wasn't on the soundtrack--
that was Shakespeare spinning in his grave.
MsTattersall








From chnc1024 at earthlink.com  Thu Jun  2 02:23:24 2005
From: chnc1024 at earthlink.com (Chancie)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:23:24 -0000
Subject: Still having Posting problems, PLEASE HELP
In-Reply-To: <00a901c56706$7281c8a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d7lqis+b7n1@eGroups.com>

> Chancie, did you verify your new email
> account?  You have to do this every
> time you change your email address.
>
> Saitaina
> ****
> "The new food pyramid looks as if all
> you have to do to be healthy in America
> is be gay and exercise."
>
> "If you're going to sing in the shower,
> don't start with a song that begins
> with 'help'."
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina
>


Yes, I did, that's why I'm getting messages from the group on my
email now.  A few days ago, I even switched everything back 
to AOL (I haven't canceled service yet, since I've already paid
for the month) to try and re-submit my EARTHLINK address, 
and see if maybe something was wrong with the system, and 
it just didn't register the new info correctly, but still the same
thing happened.  Incidentally when I switched to AOL, I couldn't
post from their either---NOT the FIRST time I used it, just when
I was trying to fix the problem. I had no problems before I tried to 
set my profile with EARTHLINK.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  2 05:48:54 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:48:54 -0000
Subject: Still having Posting problems, PLEASE HELP
In-Reply-To: <d7lgcr+gu37@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7m6k6+5e79@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024 at e...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:

> > 
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > To solve this problem we are going to need details.
> > 
> > You 'changed your email', exactly what does the mean? 
> 
> >      <snip>

> > Steve/bboyminn



> Chancie:
> I had posts being send to my personal email account, and 
> it changed. ( I had AOL, and now I have EARTHLINK).  I 
> went on to Yahoo, and changed my account information to 
> have posts sent to EARTHLINK instead of AOL.  I'm getting 
> the posts sent to EARTHLINK now just as I should but as 
> soon as I send a reply to a post,or post at all, I am 
> sent a notice from YAHOO saying " Unable to deliver your 
> message" and that I am "not a member of this Yahoo! group.  
> To join this group...." well you get the picture.


bboyminn:

Your email address is recorded in two places, one in you Yahoo Profile
 which is where I assume you went to set your new Alternate email
address and designate it as the primary or active email address. But,
similar information is contained in your Group Member settings. 

My first suggestion is to go to the group in question, and make sure
it is set to use the alternate email address as the primary. Do, this
by selecting the [Edit Membership] link near the top of the page. Of
couse, you must be logged in under the appropriate user name.

Make sure your Group setting match your Yahoo Profile settings.

If everything is OK there, then we can explore alternatives.

Steve/bboyminn







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  2 05:58:29 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:58:29 -0000
Subject: Posting problems, PLEASE HELP - More
In-Reply-To: <d7m6k6+5e79@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7m765+4ss1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> Make sure your Group setting match your Yahoo Profile settings.
> 
> If everything is OK there, then we can explore alternatives.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

bboyminn:

I thought of a couple other things.

1.) are you using this Alternate email address for more that one Yahoo
Username? Actually, you can't do that. I tried this and it will allow
this non-Yahoo email to be used for more that one Yahoo account. 

2.) It could be some configuration confusion at Yahoo. We all know
that Yahoo made recent upgrades to their system. You could try setting
you Yahoo User Profile to use the Yahoo email. That's the most generic
and easiest form. Use that for a few weeks until you see your Group
Setting and your Profile settings match. That would straighten out the
configuration. Then you could reset everything to use the alternate
email address.

In the mean time, you could read your email on-line and forward any
significant posts to you alternate email address. It's kind of a
headache, but if Yahoo's confusion came in during the time it was in
transition, there may be a conflict between various group and user
configurations. I'm suspecting that going back to Yahoo email, which
has just increased it's on-line storage capacity to 1Gb, might in time
straighten out the configuration, then let you change to the Alternate.

Let me, or us, now what's happening.

Steve/bboyminn





From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  2 15:37:39 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:37:39 -0000
Subject: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
In-Reply-To: <d7lceb+siu7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7n943+etom@eGroups.com>

> Carol wrote:
> 
> > But I hope that Britain is content with 100 pence to the pound
and doesn't convert to the Euro. Hold on to your money! And your
history, your literature, and your language. It would be sad, very
sad, if they passed into the keeping of the former colonies.
> 
David:
> What, exactly, is the threat to our history, language, and 
> literature?  Hollywood?
> 
> > Carol, who fears that Europe, and especially France, is falling 
into another Dark Age
> 
David:
> Goodness me!  How?

You're a brave man, I didn't dare ask for fear of the answer.  But 
now that you have, I'll admit to being intrigued. And wondering what 
it is that France has done wrong...

As for the money issue, I've never understood why people think it's 
something worth conserving for the sake of it.  Our current currency 
is only thirty years old, after all, and considering how irritated 
everyone was when Britain shifted from pounds shillings and pence, I 
wonder that the decimalised pound has slipped into the national 
heart so easily. There are plenty of reasons for and against Britain 
joining the Euro, but sentimentality for the pound is (IMHO) the 
least convincing.

Which, of course, may not have been what Carol meant anyway. 

Still curious about the other bits too,
Dungrollin






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun  2 16:27:35 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:27:35 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
References: <d7n943+etom@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <429F3377.000001.01712@KATHRYN>

 
Dungrollin

As for the money issue, I've never understood why people think it's
something worth conserving for the sake of it.  Our current currency
is only thirty years old, after all, and considering how irritated
everyone was when Britain shifted from pounds shillings and pence, I
wonder that the decimalised pound has slipped into the national
heart so easily. There are plenty of reasons for and against Britain
joining the Euro, but sentimentality for the pound is (IMHO) the
least convincing.
 


K

Personally I couldn't care less what the currency is called (and after all -
pounds, shillings and pence came from the first European currency, Libre,
Solidai, Denarius = l s d. And I know I spelled them wrong, I have come
across them fairly regularly but always abbrevited) as long as it's decimal.
Just because mental arithmatic is one of my strong poins doesn't mean I want
to count in 12s and all the other odd numbers involved in pounds, shillings
and pence. Life is too short!

K

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From earendil_fr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  2 19:01:04 2005
From: earendil_fr at yahoo.com (earendil_fr)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:01:04 -0000
Subject: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
In-Reply-To: <d7n943+etom@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7nl1g+o273@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin"
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> > Carol wrote:
> > 
> > > But I hope that Britain is content with 100 pence to the pound
> and doesn't convert to the Euro. Hold on to your money! And your
> history, your literature, and your language. It would be sad, very
> sad, if they passed into the keeping of the former colonies.
> > 
> David:
> > What, exactly, is the threat to our history, language, and 
> > literature?  Hollywood?
> > 
> > > Carol, who fears that Europe, and especially France, is falling 
> into another Dark Age
> > 
> David:
> > Goodness me!  How?

> Dungrollin:
> You're a brave man, I didn't dare ask for fear of the answer.  But 
> now that you have, I'll admit to being intrigued. And wondering what 
> it is that France has done wrong...

Earendil:
I suppose Carol is refering to the French voting "no" to the European
Constitution last sunday by referendum (and if you want my opinion as
a French citizen, if the politics wanted us to vote "yes" all they had
to do was to ask us to vote "no"... French people tend to have this
innate sense of contestation ;-)


Earendil.





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun  2 19:44:06 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:44:06 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
References: <d7nl1g+o273@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <429F6186.000001.01140@KATHRYN>


 
Earendil:
I suppose Carol is refering to the French voting "no" to the European
Constitution last sunday by referendum (and if you want my opinion as
a French citizen, if the politics wanted us to vote "yes" all they had
to do was to ask us to vote "no"... French people tend to have this
innate sense of contestation ;-)
 
 
K

I got the distinct impression that wwhether the constitution was good or bad
was irrelevent. If Chirac had held a referendum on whether the French people
wanted him to give them all a hundred percent rebate on their taxes, they'd
*still* have voted no because it was Chirac doing the asking. Which I
suspect might be the problem with a referendum, f we hold one, over here in
the UK. Blair isgoing to say "trust me, you should say yes" and people are
going to automatically say no. if Blair said the sky was blue, most people
wuld want to look out of a window to check - he's not seen as the most
trustworthy person in the world at the moment.

K 
 
 

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From earendil_fr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  2 20:02:02 2005
From: earendil_fr at yahoo.com (earendil_fr)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:02:02 -0000
Subject: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
In-Reply-To: <429F6186.000001.01140@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d7nojq+8j8i@eGroups.com>

> Earendil:
> I suppose Carol is refering to the French voting "no" to the European
> Constitution last sunday by referendum (and if you want my opinion as
> a French citizen, if the politics wanted us to vote "yes" all they had
> to do was to ask us to vote "no"... French people tend to have this
> innate sense of contestation ;-)
>  
>  
> K
> 
> I got the distinct impression that wwhether the constitution was
good or bad
> was irrelevent. 

Earendil:
I think you're right. People weren't saying no to the constitution,
they were saying no to the government. I'm quite sure a majority of
people didn't know exactly what they were voting for/against.

> K
> If Chirac had held a referendum on whether the French people
> wanted him to give them all a hundred percent rebate on their taxes,
they'd
> *still* have voted no because it was Chirac doing the asking.

Earendil:
But Chirac wasn't the only one to ask us to vote yes. During the last
month or so we've had tons of politics from every political background
(right and left wing alike)(I have to admit it was fun to see them
agree on something for once) saying we should vote yes (it was only
isolated extremes that asked to vote no). Every week we had a big
political figure making TV appearances and asking to vote yes. Even
*I*, who don't watch political programs, grew tired of being asked to
vote yes.


Earendil.





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jun  3 09:11:25 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:11:25 -0000
Subject: Voting for the dark
In-Reply-To: <d7nl1g+o273@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7p6rt+qmlc@eGroups.com>

Earendil wrote:

> I suppose Carol is refering to the French voting "no" to the European
> Constitution last sunday by referendum (and if you want my opinion as
> a French citizen, if the politics wanted us to vote "yes" all they 
had
> to do was to ask us to vote "no"... French people tend to have this
> innate sense of contestation ;-)

Hmm... I'm sure M Giscard would be delighted to learn that there are 
those who consider the European Constitution to be our last bastion 
against a coming dark age.

As for voting the opposite to what politicians urge, that sounds very, 
well, Anglo-Saxon to me.

David





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  3 21:36:53 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:36:53 -0000
Subject: Jonathan Stroud: another book... And other thoughts
In-Reply-To: <d7h15b+bju8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7qihl+jole@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor
> <kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> > I just finished reading 'Buried Fire'.  A good read. I'm going on 
> > the wait list at my library for his other book, 'Leap'.  I liked 
> > the protagonist better than Nathaniel from the Bartimaeus 
Trilogy, 
> > but I hope Nathaniel becomes less power-focused.
> >  
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Yes, Nathaniel (John Mandrake) has a lot to learn about life, much
> like Artemis Fowl, but I think the point of the story is that
> Nathaniel will indeed gain more depth and compassion as a human 
being. 
> 
> In the last book (The Golem's Eye), he learned very much that the
> world does not fit his idealistic view. Wizards are by no means the
> superior beings he had been lead to believe, and he learned that the
> common people are not the mindless cattle he imagined. Despite the
> fact that Bartimaeus is a form of demon, I think, in the long run, 
he
> will be a very good influence on Nathaniel. 
> 
> Although, given that two of the three books in the series are 
already
> in print, I find it hard to believe the story can be wrapped up in
> only one more book. Perhaps the story isn't as complex and deep as I
> think it is. But I do agree that Nathaniel in his present state is 
an
> unpleasant piece of work.
> 
 
Alla:

Hmmm, I also just finished Golem's eye. Yes, I trust recomendations 
of the other listees very much. :-)

S 
P 
O 
I
L
E
R
S

I like these books, but talk about strangest reactions I had. I 
actually despised all mebers of the resistance with great passion. I 
find them to be no better than the magicians. They sure did not 
hesitate to spread terror  even if it is in revenge and if "common 
people" got hurt.

I do like Bartemius. His remarks are sometimes hysterical and I pity 
Nathaniel a lot. He is sure a nasty piece of work, but he snarks at 
his equals, or at people who is stronger than him. Boy, whose 
ambition sure gets the best of him.

Wierd. I did not expect to like Nathaniel at all. :-)

Oh, and I guess author wants me to like Kitty and all, but again, for 
the most part I did not like her much.

It was nice of her to save Nathaniel though. :-)

One more thing - as I said I like the book, but usually I prefer to 
read about magic as more positive energy, so to speak.

Alla.





From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  3 22:01:49 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Where is Arthur Weasley When You Need Him?
Message-ID: <20050603220149.81839.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Headline on the CNN International Website:
 
Lawsuit claims exploding toilet burned man
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/03/toilet.lawsuit.ap/index.html

 

The guy is blaming a general contractor and coal company.  Little does he realize that it is really Willie Widdershins.

 

Lynn

 



 

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From judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jun  4 00:13:45 2005
From: judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 00:13:45 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter train run
Message-ID: <d7qrnp+euoi@eGroups.com>

At some point, I remember seeing something posted about the train used 
in the Harry Potter movies doing runs for which you could purchase 
tickets and ride on.  But, I cannot remember anything about this now or 
any information concerning this, including any website one can go to 
and get schedule and purchase information.  

My husband and I -- who live in Scotland -- are discussing plans for 
doing a holiday later this summer, and I expressed the desire to go on 
this train run as part of our holiday, if possible.  Is there anyone 
here who can point me to the website -- or any websites -- with 
information about when this train does its runs, how to purchase 
tickets for it, where to catch the train, etc.?  Also, we will have our 
dog with us and want to find out if dogs (other than guide dogs) are 
allowed on this train -- does anyone know what the policy is about 
this?  

Any help I can get would be *greatly* appreciated -- thank you.

Judy Tait
Glasgow, Scotland





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Jun  4 01:55:13 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:55:13 +1000
Subject: Shots fired in attempted theft of Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <d7qrnp+euoi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42A196A1.16099.470C127@localhost>

The subject heading represents what I just heard on the news - I 
don't know much detail - it appears somebody tried to sell copies of 
Half Blood Prince to a newspaper, and shots were reported.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sat Jun  4 06:40:50 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 06:40:50 -0000
Subject: Shots fired in attempted theft of Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <42A196A1.16099.470C127@localhost>
Message-ID: <d7ridi+9f5b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...> 
wrote:

Shaun:
> The subject heading represents what I just heard on the news - I 
> don't know much detail - it appears somebody tried to sell copies of 
> Half Blood Prince to a newspaper, and shots were reported.


Geoff:
I picked it up on Ceefax when I first got up an hour or so ago. I had a 
scout around and a useful link might be:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/4608999.stm





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Jun  4 11:45:31 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:45:31 -0000
Subject: Shots fired in attempted theft of Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <d7ridi+9f5b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7s48r+e27h@eGroups.com>

> Shaun:
> > The subject heading represents what I just heard on the news - I 
> > don't know much detail - it appears somebody tried to sell 
copies of 
> > Half Blood Prince to a newspaper, and shots were reported.
> 
> 
> Geoff:
> I picked it up on Ceefax when I first got up an hour or so ago. I 
had a 
> scout around and a useful link might be:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/4608999.stm

David:
The story is complex.  It appears both the Sun and the Mirror were 
involved, the difference being that the Mirror called the police 
before arranging to meet with the person.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15590690%26method=full%
26siteid=94762%26headline=exclusive%2d%2dwe%2dgot%2da%2dpotter%
2dplotter-name_page.html

http://tinyurl.com/8sv7e

has their version of the story.  

The best synthesis I can make is that the men with the book met the 
Sun's man first, and fired a shot over his head when either he 
refused to buy the book or he tried to make off with it without 
paying.  He ran away without the book; then, later the police 
arrested the men at a meeting with the Mirror's representative.

David






From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sat Jun  4 13:06:11 2005
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:06:11 -0000
Subject: ADMIN:  HBP Spoiler Policy
Message-ID: <d7s903+l6l5@eGroups.com>

N.B. - Crosspost for those of you who aren't reading the main list, 
and with apologies to those who have already received this in their 
mailboxes.

Greetings from Hexquarters!

As we all count down the days until the release of HBP, the rumour-
mill is beginning to spin faster and faster, spitting out tidbits
(whether true or false) about what we'll find between the covers
come 16 July.

Beginning today, we would like members to use the "HBP" prefix for
any post to any of our lists that contains spoilers for HBP.
Subject headers should not, of course, contain spoilers themselves --
"HBP: It's Salazar!" rather defeats the point of the HBP prefix.

For example, an appropriate subject header might be, "HBP: Harry,
Snape." Harry and Snape are so interconnected in previous books that
this isn't a spoiler. "HBP: Harry, Lupin" on the other hand, *would*
be a spoiler, as we don't know whether Lupin is in Book 6. "HBP:
Lupin" would be better (as for all we know, you might be posting on
why Lupin isn't in the book).

Remember that a subject header which has *both* a chapter number
and a subject is in itself a spoiler. 'HBP: Chapter 32 - Lupin'
tells readers that Lupin turns up in Chapter 32. For a reader only
on Chapter 7, that's a spoiler. If you want to discuss a particular
chapter, use chapter numbers *only*. 'HBP: Chapter 32' is fine.

Also, because Yahoo's format may make reading some text impossible
to avoid, please include a few lines of
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
space before revealing any spoilers. Be sure to type characters
into your spoiler lines, or Yahoo will skip over the blank lines and
display the spoiler.

What's a spoiler? Use common sense. A spoiler is anything you KNOW
will be in Book 6. Not as in 'I saw it in a dream'; more 'I saw it
in the Scholastic catalog/ on the cover art / on the press
release.' Anything that you THINK will be in HBP based on evidence
in Books 1-5, or your own wild speculation is *not* a spoiler. We've
been speculating about what we THINK will be in HBP for the last
couple of years, after all...

So, if you KNOW that parts of your post include information that
will be in HBP, you need the HBP: prefix and spoiler space.

Please begin using the new "HBP" prefix on all of our lists --
especially the main list and OT-Chatter -- beginning today. And
remember, if you have any comments about any HBP release issues,
holler at us at:

hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com

And if you don't use it, don't be surprised if you suddenly find
yourself being hung upside down over the Slytherin Common Room
fire. ;-)

"The truth." Dumbledore sighed. "It is a beautiful and terrible
thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution." [PS/SS
Chapter 17]

Be like Dumbledore. Tell people as little as possible. ;-)

Counting down to 16 July,

The Administration Team







From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jun  4 17:12:08 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:12:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Computer question
In-Reply-To: <429E51AA.000003.01576@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEFGDLAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

K., you are in trouble.  I don't know the program of which you speak, but
any time you delete a program folder without doing a proper uninstall,
you're "frightening" your system, so to speak.

The problem would require editing the windows registry to fix, a complex and
teeth-gritting thing for those who have never done it before.

One thing you could try is to use your system restore and go back to a point
*Before* you ever installed the program.  **CAUTION**: doing that will also
mess up any programs you installed after installing that one.

This may help you, I don't know, but feel free to write me off list and I
can try to talk you through this mess.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Almost Techno-Geek) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Jun  4 17:26:45 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:26:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP fans in San Diego
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050531124215a02274@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOKEFGDLAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>

[Dina]:
| Err, by the way, did anyone else have "A Rose for Emily" for English
| Lit in junior high? {g}  Hehe, nothing like discussing a character's
| necrophilic tendency to sleep with a rotting corpse.

[Lee]:
Hmm--yeah...interesting story.  Actually, I found it psychologically
interesting...but I was a rather different kind of kid, I guess, interested
in things medical at 10, fascinated by psychology, reading things like
Assimov's "I Robot" when I was 12 or so...things like that.  But I also
never lost my love of fairy tales and such. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  4 18:24:27 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:24:27 -0000
Subject: Computer question
In-Reply-To: <429E51AA.000003.01576@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d7srkr+jrlr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  I have a software problem and I'm hoping one of you technically
> minded people out there can help me.
> 
> I tried installing CivIII on  my system (I've had it on there before 
> so I know it works) and it crashed my computer. Since the start up 
> program was causing things to freeze I couldn't uninstall it properly 
> so I simply deleted the folder that it had been installed in 
> 
> K

bboyminn:

Step 1: 
Start Windows (I assume MS-Windows) and click the [Start] button to
open the main menu and select [Run] from the menu. Then enter the
program name MSCONFIG; That is the System Configuration Utility. Run
that program and select the STARTUP tab on the far right side of the
MSCONFIG windows. That will give you a list of most of the programs
that automatically start when your computer starts. Uncheck any
entries that are related to CivIII. You may not always be able to tell
by the program name, but you should be able to make a reasonable
determination from the Directory/Folder location.

That may or may not help. Also remember that some of those programs
must be there in order for Windows to run.

Step 2:

If you have Norton utilities/Norton System Works, then you might have
a chance of recovering. 'Norton Registry Tracker' will make a backup
of your registry. Run it hand have it save a 'snapshot'.

Then run 'Norton WinDoctor' (not System Doctor). This will scan your
Registry for any entries that are invalid. Once the program is done it
will give you a list of Error. This list can be quite long on most
computers who have never had a registry scan. 

Switch to [Advanced] view, and look throught the list of error.
Initially, just fix errors that are obviously related to 'CivIII'.
That might be enough to get you back in operation. The program keeps
track of fixes and assuming you haven't messed up too bad, you can
re-run the program and UNDO your fixes.

To fix the error select it and right click on then select Repair.
Norton will give you a list of suggested repairs. For items clearly
related to 'CivIII' choose the DELETE option.


There are other Registry analyser/repair programs on the market, some
you can even download for free, but I'm not familiar with them, and
can't comment on their reliability.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn

This progra







From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun  4 19:29:32 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:29:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Computer question
References: <d7srkr+jrlr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42A2011C.000001.01852@KATHRYN>

 

 
There are other Registry analyser/repair programs on the market, some
you can even download for free, but I'm not familiar with them, and
can't comment on their reliability.
 

 
  Thanks for the detailed help. I don't have Norton utilities unfortunately.
*Fortunately* I got directed to the CivIII home page which gives a step by
step of how to remove t from the registry. Unfortunately it still won't
install - the reason I tried deleting it in the first place was it didn't
install right - and that error is still a problem. I have given up with it
and resigned to playing it on my dad's omputer when I'm there. *sigh*

The fact that they give you a step by step on how to maually uninstall makes
me wonder if it's a not uncommon problem. Tried emailing them but I
apparently can't get help from US tech support and they only seem to want to
direct me to French German or Italian support for Europe. *grumble* Have
admitted defeat and addicted myself to the CSI game instead ... anyone have
any tips for me on that, I'm stuck on level two (can't get 100%, keep
getting 99%)

K
 

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun  4 19:31:42 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:31:42 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Computer question
References: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOEEFGDLAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <42A2019E.000003.01852@KATHRYN>

 

One thing you could try is to use your system restore and go back to a point
*Before* you ever installed the program.  **CAUTION**: doing that will also
mess up any programs you installed after installing that one.
 


Unfortunately I use the infinitely crappy Wndows 2000 operating system -
which doesn't let you do system restore. I swear when I upgrade my hard
drive from the tiny thing I have now I'm getting the guy I intend to buy it
from to install XP at the same time. Even compared to the other bug ridden
operating systems made by Microsoft, 2000 is an utter pig.

K

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  4 19:52:57 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:52:57 -0000
Subject: Computer question - Restore Warning
In-Reply-To: <42A2019E.000003.01852@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d7t0qp+1c95@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  
> 
> One thing you could try is to use your system restore and go back to
a point
> *Before* you ever installed the program.  **CAUTION**: doing that
will also
> mess up any programs you installed after installing that one.
>  
> ...edited..
> 
> K

bboyminn:

QUick note about 'Restoring'. Windows has a built-in facility that
records a copy of your Registry and associated files each time the
computer starts. This allows you to, in a sense, go back in time to an
earlier version of your Registry.

That's a moderately safe operation. However, different versions of
Windows have different degrees of restore capability. Win98 keeps
something like the last 3 restarts of your computer, so the available
registry history is limited.

NOW FOR THE REAL DANGER-

Many new computers come with a 'Restore Disk'. These should be used
with extreme caution. They do not /restore/ in the sense of fixing an
error. They restore your computer to the condition it was in the day
you bought it, and they do this by /completely erasing/ your harddrive
and reinstalling all the software that came with your computer. All
othe software and data is LOST! Again, all subsequent installs and all
DATA is LOST!

Use this Restore Disks only the the most extremely desperate situations.


Also, It would help us solve your problem if you told us what
operating system you are using (Win98, WinXP,...) and if you have any
utility suites like Norton Utilities or Norton System Works, McAfee,
or others. 

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  4 20:05:03 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:05:03 -0000
Subject: Remember the Madness.
Message-ID: <d7t1hf+59ic@eGroups.com>

Once again, rules outweigh common sense.

A boy was refused entrance into his GCSE exams because he was wearing
the wrong shoes. Instead of wearing the shoes assigned as part of the
School Uniform for his school, he was wearing a relatively
conservative pair of black trainers. (photo with news article) Shoes
which he had been wearing at school for a couple of months without
complaint.

BBC NEWS-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/4608655.stm

If I understand correctly GCSE exams are /national/ exams; they are
set and controlled by the national government. I would think that a
/national/ exam would take precedence over the dress code of the local
school. I further assume that the local school mearly host the
location of the exam. That is, there must be some national GCSE
approved person on the scene who is the true exam authority. The
school presumably only provide a location for the exam and some
assistance in administering it.

This is a perfect case of 'zero tolerance' run amok. 'Zero Tolerance'
in my experience generally means zero brain, zero common sense, zero
acceptance of responsibility, and zero willingness to take part in life. 

While I readily admit the USA has it own share of petty irrational
rulings like this, I can't imagine such a small local rule overriding
a students future and a national exam.

I guess he can arrange to take the exam again, but it still seems
unreasonably petty. Although, when it  comes to school uniforms it
seems that these schools have a long and rich history of petty and
near malicious enforcement of the rules.

Sorry, but it seems very odd to me.

Steve/bboyminn





From joym999 at aol.com  Sat Jun  4 21:29:31 2005
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:29:31 -0000
Subject: HBP -- possible spoiler (but probably just rumor)
Message-ID: <d7t6fr+g8jb@eGroups.com>

S
 P
  O
   I
    L
     E
      R

      S
     P
    A
   C
  E

I was listening to NPR this morning, and they had a news report 
about the attempt to steal the 2 copies of HBP which happened in 
England yesterday.  The reporter stated (after pronouncing JKR's 
name wrong) that the reason why the books were so coveted was 
because the author said that one of the main characters would be 
killed off in this book.  Um, have I been asleep?  Did JKR say 
this?  Have you all heard this, or did NPR just make it up?

--Joywitch Z. Curmudgeon, just visiting from the Curmudgeon Cave






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Jun  4 22:02:08 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:02:08 -0000
Subject: HBP -- possible spoiler (but probably just rumor)
In-Reply-To: <d7t6fr+g8jb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7t8d0+h6tm@eGroups.com>

Joywitch Z. Curmudgeon (is that Joysie for short?) wrote:

> I was listening to NPR this morning, and they had a news report 
> about the attempt to steal the 2 copies of HBP which happened in 
> England yesterday.  The reporter stated (after pronouncing JKR's 
> name wrong) that the reason why the books were so coveted was 
> because the author said that one of the main characters would be 
> killed off in this book.  Um, have I been asleep?  Did JKR say 
> this?  Have you all heard this, or did NPR just make it up?

It's not a spoiler, really, I don't think, and I struggle with it a 
bit myself.

I think all JKR has said is that there will be deaths as the series 
progresses and that the series will get darker.  The fandom has 
deduced that there must be at least *one* death of a character at 
least equivalent to Sirius in importance.

But I'm a bit rusty on the chats - particularly the World Book day 
and the Edinburgh ones which gave quite a bit of information - so 
there might be something more specific.

Nice to hear from you!

David






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  4 22:50:14 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:50:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter train run
In-Reply-To: <d7qrnp+euoi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050604225014.36096.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>

Judy,
 
It is on the Accio website.  The ride is in conjunction with a tour that includes quite a few things (virtual quiddich, feast in the great hall, classes, etc).  My kids (22,19, and 11) and I are discussing flying over next year and giving it a try.  If you go, let us know how you like it.
 
accio.org.uk
 
on the right hand side is a list of sponcers.  look for HP fan trips.
 
moonmyyst

Judy Tait <judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
At some point, I remember seeing something posted about the train used 
in the Harry Potter movies doing runs for which you could purchase 
tickets and ride on.  But, I cannot remember anything about this now or 
any information concerning this, including any website one can go to 
and get schedule and purchase information.  

My husband and I -- who live in Scotland -- are discussing plans for 
doing a holiday later this summer, and I expressed the desire to go on 
this train run as part of our holiday, if possible.  Is there anyone 
here who can point me to the website -- or any websites -- with 
information about when this train does its runs, how to purchase 
tickets for it, where to catch the train, etc.?  Also, we will have our 
dog with us and want to find out if dogs (other than guide dogs) are 
allowed on this train -- does anyone know what the policy is about 
this?  

Any help I can get would be *greatly* appreciated -- thank you.

Judy Tait
Glasgow, Scotland




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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Jun  4 23:34:31 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:34:31 -0700
Subject: CSI Game (was: Computer problem)
References: <d7t0qp+1c95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <033601c5695d$f636f900$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

K wrote:

<anyone have
any tips for me on that, I'm stuck on
level two (can't get 100%, keep
getting 99%) >

Have you tried GameFAQs.com?  They have
walk through's for most PC games.

In fact, as I don't know which CSI
you're playing...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/list_c.html

They have four listed there.

Other then that I have no idea as I
don't have the game *pouts*.  It still
lives on my very long wish list.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Jun  5 02:04:48 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:04:48 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Remember the Madness.
In-Reply-To: <d7t1hf+59ic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42A2EA60.3845.99FE38D@localhost>

On 4 Jun 2005 at 20:05, Steve wrote:

> I guess he can arrange to take the exam again, but it still seems
> unreasonably petty. Although, when it  comes to school uniforms it
> seems that these schools have a long and rich history of petty and
> near malicious enforcement of the rules.

Reading this, I note that he would have been allowed to take the 
examination, if he'd agreed to wear a pair of shoes from lost 
property, but he refused to comply.

Now it says he has a medical problem with his feet - if that's true, 
and if the problem is significant enough that wearing these other 
shoes for the period of the exam could have actually caused him real 
problems, then I think he's been treated rather unfairly.

But only if that's true, and this isn't just his excuse for refusing 
to comply with school rules.

My own school was really strict on uniform - and I would think that 
they might have done the same thing with our VCE exams (I'm not sure 
because it never arose). But the issue wouldn't have been about the 
uniform - that just would have been the symbol. It would have been 
about the deliberate and knowing refusal to obey a rule of the 
school.

School uniforms are generally not important in and of themselves - 
but as a symbol of a schools authority they can become quite 
important. If you let students get away with minor violations, major 
violations become much more common.

If they'd just sent him away, I would not be defending the school - 
but his refusal to accept the two compromises they offered - to wear 
another pair of shoes they would make available or to go home and 
change, does change things. He had choices available. He didn't take 
them.

Yes, he says, he went home and didn't go back because he decided he'd 
be too late - well, he still should have gone back - if he'd gone 
back to school, again I'd have a problem if the school had refused to 
let him in, having sent him home to change. But he didn't go back.

The real problem is we have such little information from this article 
- we don't know if Adam is a generally compliant boy who generally 
doesn't cause problems - or if he's someone who constantly breaks 
rules in the belief they shouldn't apply to him.

We don't know if his medical condition, whatever it is, is serious 
enough that he had a genuinely good reason to refuse the schools 
first compromise, and we don't how long it should have taken him to 
get home and change with regards to the second (if the school knew he 
could not get home and back in the time before the exam, that is a 
very different thing from if they knew he should have ample time to 
do so).

The school may have acted unfairly - but it also may not have done 
so.

This boy is sixteen - he's old enough to be expected to accept the 
consequences of his own actions.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun  5 02:26:51 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 03:26:51 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Remember the Madness.
References: <42A2EA60.3845.99FE38D@localhost>
Message-ID: <42A262EB.000001.01784@KATHRYN>

 

 Shaun said :


Yes, he says, he went home and didn't go back because he decided he'd
be too late - well, he still should have gone back - if he'd gone
back to school, again I'd have a problem if the school had refused to
let him in, having sent him home to change. But he didn't go back.
 

K

Mostly I thought you had a point - although I note he says he'd been wearing
the same shoes to school since April and they'd never complained before, so
I would say he had a reasonable expectation of being allowed to get away
with it - but I know that when I was taking GCSEs (admittedly a while ago)
the official exam board rules said no one could be admitted more than half
an hour late (to avoid disturbing other students), it may even have been
fifteen minutes, and since it took him twenty minutes to get home and change
(presumably most of that was travel time because how long does it take to
change your shoes after all) then there was no chance of him being admitted
when he got back to school. So why bother.

On a related note, I never saw the result of this story, but the morning
after Liverpool's stunning win in Istanbul (football for those of you who
don't know and/or care) the BBC were interviewing people as they arrived
back at John Lennon airport, including one kid who couldn't stop to talk
because his Chemistry A-LEVEL started in fifteen minutes time! I can't
decide if he deserves to be applauded for his loyaltu to his team or smacked
upside the head for stupidity - possibly both. I hope he made it! (for the
non-Brits A-Levels are the real world equivalent of NEWTS and, except where
your school offers a different qualification like the international
Baccalaureat, vital for entrance to university - and it's not like you can
resit without rearranging your plans dramatically as the exams are in May
and the resits in January, university begins in September, so a resit pretty
much requires a year out.

K

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Jun  5 03:11:53 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:11:53 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Remember the Madness.
In-Reply-To: <42A262EB.000001.01784@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <42A2FA19.29563.9DD4C70@localhost>

On 5 Jun 2005 at 3:26, Kathryn wrote:

> Mostly I thought you had a point - although I note he says he'd been
> wearing the same shoes to school since April and they'd never
> complained before, so I would say he had a reasonable expectation of
> being allowed to get away with it - but I know that when I was taking
> GCSEs (admittedly a while ago) the official exam board rules said no
> one could be admitted more than half an hour late (to avoid disturbing
> other students), it may even have been fifteen minutes, and since it
> took him twenty minutes to get home and change (presumably most of
> that was travel time because how long does it take to change your
> shoes after all) then there was no chance of him being admitted when
> he got back to school. So why bother.

Well, with regards to the fact he'd been wearing the trainers since 
April, they look enough like regular school shoes that it may just 
not have been noticed - you'd have to take a reasonably close look to 
know. If teachers knew he was breaking the rules and let him get away 
with it until the exam, then while that wouldn't excuse him, I'd also 
want words with the teachers.

As for the travel times we don't know the details. Maybe he took 
twenty minutes to get home because of the distance involved. Maybe he 
took twenty minutes to get home because he decided to sulk, or 
because he went to the shop on the way.

We have very little information here, as I have said. He may have 
been unfairly treated - but I wouldn't assume that.

Of course, I should also be upfront and confess that I am pretty 
close to a fascist when it comes to school uniforms - when I was at 
school, when I got disciplinary authority, going after kids who were 
wearing their uniform in an inappropriate manner was a major 
preoccupation of mine. To me, it's not a minor issue, though I can 
understand why some people think it is, and a lot depends on the 
school - some schools don't care - fair enough. But if your school 
does care, you've no right to complain.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun  5 04:02:05 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 5 Jun 2005 04:02:05 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1117944125.16.40482.m21@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 5, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  5 06:17:44 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:17:44 -0000
Subject: Remember the Madness.- School Uniform Compulsion
In-Reply-To: <42A2FA19.29563.9DD4C70@localhost>
Message-ID: <d7u5e8+tp02@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
> ...edited...
> 
> Of course, I should also be upfront and confess that I am pretty 
> close to a fascist when it comes to school uniforms - when I was at 
> school, when I got disciplinary authority, going after kids who were 
> wearing their uniform in an inappropriate manner was a major 
> preoccupation of mine. To me, it's not a minor issue, though I can 
> understand why some people think it is, and a lot depends on the 
> school - some schools don't care - fair enough. But if your school 
> does care, you've no right to complain.
> 
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately 

bboyminn:

On this issue, you have to temper it with the knowledge that I'm from
the USA, and the idea of being that obssessive about uniforms is
complete ...er...well... foreign to me.

As long as we are on the subject what is your opion of the way the
kids in the movies were their uniforms. I realize that this is not the
movie forum, but I think if we stick to uniforms we should be OK.

Some male students for some reason have extremely short ties; like 6"
down from their collar. Other have their shirts untucked. Other have
long neckties very loosely knotted. Is what you see in the movies
somewhat consistent with real life?

I know from a little research into the matter of school uniforms that
back in the 'good old days' students and administration used to be at
constant war over school caps. The school would even send teacher out
to prowl the neighborhoods to keep watch for any student in uniform
who wasn't wearing his cap. No cap, even if you were standing in front
of your own house was a punishable offense. 

Again, being from the US, I find it impossible to fathom that level of
obssession with school caps.

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Jun  5 06:30:03 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:30:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Computer question
In-Reply-To: <42A2019E.000003.01852@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEFJDLAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>



| -----Original Message-----
| From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
| [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn
| Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:32 PM
| To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
| Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Computer question
|
|
|
|
| One thing you could try is to use your system restore and go back
| to a point
| *Before* you ever installed the program.  **CAUTION**: doing that
| will also
| mess up any programs you installed after installing that one.
|
|
|
[K wrote]:
| Unfortunately I use the infinitely crappy Wndows 2000 operating system -

[Lee]:
Ouch! You're right...you do have a problem! <Gives K a sympathetic hug!>

[K]:
| Even compared to the other bug ridden
| operating systems made by Microsoft, 2000 is an utter pig.

[Lee]:
I freely admit that both ME and 2000 are absolutely worse than the pits.  I
had a friend running 2000 and begged him to renounce it as quickly as
possible.  He ended up with a Dell on XP Home which was much better for his
needs. :-) (And--OOOO--did I have fun helping him set it up!) :-)

Good thoughts, K.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at optonline.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at arrl.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Jun  5 07:10:31 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:10:31 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Remember the Madness.- School Uniform Compulsion
In-Reply-To: <d7u5e8+tp02@eGroups.com>
References: <42A2FA19.29563.9DD4C70@localhost>
Message-ID: <42A33207.7180.AB7C507@localhost>

On 5 Jun 2005 at 6:17, Steve wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
> wrote: > ...edited... > > Of course, I should also be upfront and
> confess that I am pretty > close to a fascist when it comes to school
> uniforms - when I was at > school, when I got disciplinary authority,
> going after kids who were > wearing their uniform in an inappropriate
> manner was a major > preoccupation of mine. To me, it's not a minor
> issue, though I can > understand why some people think it is, and a
> lot depends on the > school - some schools don't care - fair enough.
> But if your school > does care, you've no right to complain. > > >
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought > Shaun Hately 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> On this issue, you have to temper it with the knowledge that I'm from
> the USA, and the idea of being that obssessive about uniforms is
> complete ...er...well... foreign to me.
> 
> As long as we are on the subject what is your opion of the way the
> kids in the movies were their uniforms. I realize that this is not the
> movie forum, but I think if we stick to uniforms we should be OK.

Oh boy, you had to ask. My views on this have inspired some rather 
intense debates at certain places in the past 8-)

> Some male students for some reason have extremely short ties; like 6"
> down from their collar. Other have their shirts untucked. Other have
> long neckties very loosely knotted. Is what you see in the movies
> somewhat consistent with real life?

That depends on the school.

Some schools are very obsessive about uniforms. Mine was. And 
insisted on them being worn very neatly. Others don't see it as that 
important.

Generally speaking major schools in the British Public School 
tradition (both actual British Public Schools and those that have 
grown from that tradition) tend to take such things seriously - but 
there are exceptions.

When it comes to Hogwarts as shown in the movies, my major objection 
is the difference between how uniforms are worn in the first two 
films and how they were worn in the third.

In the first two films, they tended to be worn reasonably neatly - 
not perfectly all the time, but fairly neatly. Neat enough that even 
a uniform fascist like me would have let the occasional lapse slide.

It also seemed to me very obvious that the makers of the film had 
deliberately chosen to follow conventions of a school uniform as the 
foundation of the Hogwarts uniform. They didn't have to choose that - 
but as they had, I was glad to see them treating it respectfully.

The problem for me develops with the third film. In that film, the 
uniform is not worn properly most of the time (except by Percy, thank 
goodness). Now, this isn't inherently unrealistic - Hogwarts could be 
a school where the uniform just isn't taken that seriously.

But the fact that it changes so dramatically between the first two 
films and the third film - that really does irritate me a lot.

If a real school's wearing of its uniform disintegrated that badly, 
that quickly, it'd be a sign that the school had very serious 
problems.

For Hogwarts to go from a school where the uniform is worn fairly 
neatly most of the time, to one where it is worn very poorly most of 
the time (and sometimes, absolutely appallingly) just doesn't work 
for me - but in the sense of the continuity of a series of films.

Basically I want to see Hogwarts as a realistic school.

Hogwarts as seen in the first two films fits my view of a realistic 
school, and one I would have been very comfortable in.

Hogwarts as seen in the third film still fits my view of a realistic 
school, though one I would have some concerns about.

But when I try to see the two together (1/2 vs 3) - they just don't 
mesh for me.

Leaving aside the realism, I have to say I was, at times, utterly 
appalled with the uniform standards in the third film.

I could accept Ron wearing the uniform in a somewhat sloppy manner - 
Harry too, as well. But HERMIONE!?!? Her clothing in the first 
hippogriff scene was so bad, it had to be deliberate. It looked like 
she'd been dragged through the undergrowth backwards by one foot.

I can see Ron and Harry not worrying about wearing uniform properly - 
but Hermione doesn't seem the type. I don't know that she'd be 
obsessive about it (unlike Percy, who would be) but she'd try pretty 
hard.

And the scene where Snape takes Lupin's class - Ron wearing his 
uniform poorly in that scene grated as well. Even if you think you 
can get away with it most of the time - not with Snape. No, not with 
Snape.

> I know from a little research into the matter of school uniforms that
> back in the 'good old days' students and administration used to be at
> constant war over school caps. The school would even send teacher out
> to prowl the neighborhoods to keep watch for any student in uniform
> who wasn't wearing his cap. No cap, even if you were standing in front
> of your own house was a punishable offense. 
> 
> Again, being from the US, I find it impossible to fathom that level of
> obssession with school caps.

How about school socks. Socks were always my big target (-8 (my 
school had abolished hats). Ties too, but most boys wore their ties 
properly. Their summer socks, though...

And, yes, we were obsessive - but for a reason at my school. We had a 
very, very good public reputation that meant a huge amount to us - 
and whether it makes sense or not, a large segment of the public do 
see a school where the uniform isn't worn properly as a school in 
crisis (in fact, I've given some hint of that attitude myself above - 
and I admit it - although my concern would be the suddeness of the 
drop in standards, not the standards themselves). It really can harm 
a schools reputation, whether it should do so or not.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 07:58:09 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 03:58:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Computer question
In-Reply-To: <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEFJDLAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
References: <42A2019E.000003.01852@KATHRYN>
	 <KPELJFOAIOMBHOEFLMFOCEFJDLAA.n2fgc@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1a273840050605005811136ab0@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/5/05, (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force) <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:

> I freely admit that both ME and 2000 are absolutely worse than the pits.  I

I think 2000 is okay... Heck, my secondary computer is operating off
of Win2kPro with an Athlon processor.  Though, I predominantly use my
Win98SE computer, except now it's tapping into resources.  Hm, but the
router/firewall I bought for $5 (Belkin and new in box) is doing its
job of allowing cable internet on more than one computer.


> had a friend running 2000 and begged him to renounce it as quickly as
> possible.  He ended up with a Dell on XP Home which was much better for his
> needs. :-) (And--OOOO--did I have fun helping him set it up!) :-)

Windows XP takes up too much resources that my older computers can't handle.

Dina



From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Jun  5 12:38:46 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:38:46 -0000
Subject: English units of measure (and a touch of Brit lit)
In-Reply-To: <429F3377.000001.01712@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d7urom+r647@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  
> Dungrollin
> 
> As for the money issue, I've never understood why people think it's
> something worth conserving for the sake of it.  

 There are plenty of reasons for and against Britain
> joining the Euro, but sentimentality for the pound is (IMHO) the
> least convincing.
>  
> 
> 
IMHO its not so much sentimentality as wanting to maintain an 
individual identity.  We're only a little country (in the grand 
scheme of things) and maybe some people think we'll be swallowed 
whole by Europe, and all our little British ways wiil be lost, and 
out cucumbers and bananas will be straight and we won't be able to by 
a quarter of cherry lips anymore ...
Having said that I think probably the main reason people object is 
because nobody likes change (and lets face it, when we were still the 
world's superpower we instigated changes elsewhere that folk rebelled 
against - big style).
So my argument is flawed, because when we're doing the changing we're 
quite happy - it's when it is imposed that we start stamping our feet 
and shaking our fists like irate garden gnomes!!
But it's not sentimentality - it's fear.

Just my 2p
Sarah xxx





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Jun  5 12:52:16 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:52:16 -0000
Subject: Draco's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <d7urom+r647@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7usi0+patl@eGroups.com>

It's Draco's birthday today (Junie 5th)- I'm guessing he'd be 25 now.  
Now there's a scary thought.  Maybe there's more little Malfoys in the 
world by now.  (that's an even scarier thought)

Sarah xx





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Jun  5 13:45:26 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:45:26 -0000
Subject: Draco's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <d7usi0+patl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7uvlm+g6m1@eGroups.com>

Sarah wrote:
> It's Draco's birthday today (Junie 5th)- I'm guessing he'd be 25 
now.  
> Now there's a scary thought.  Maybe there's more little Malfoys in 
the 
> world by now.  (that's an even scarier thought)

Intriguing... he didn't have a birthday last year.  He must be taking 
a Rejuvenating Potion, or be under a Birthday-skipping Curse, or 
something.  Makes you wonder how old he *really* is.

Here's a theory: Draco is Lucius' *father*.

David






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun  5 15:02:03 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 5 Jun 2005 15:02:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1117983723.21.70673.m24@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 5, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From pip at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sun Jun  5 16:02:34 2005
From: pip at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:02:34 -0000
Subject: Remember the Madness.- School Uniform Compulsion
In-Reply-To: <d7u5e8+tp02@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7v7mq+b4d5@eGroups.com>


>  Steve/bboyminn wrote
> I know from a little research into the matter of school uniforms 
> that back in the 'good old days' students and administration used to 
> be at constant war over school caps. The school would even send 
> teacher out to prowl the neighborhoods to keep watch for any student 
> in uniform who wasn't wearing his cap. No cap, even if you were 
> standing in front of your own house was a punishable offense. 
> 
> Again, being from the US, I find it impossible to fathom that level 
> of obssession with school caps.
> 
> Just curious.
> 
Pip writes:
It's a matter of discipline, Steve. Often different schools in an area 
had fairly similar uniforms. Except for the cap. The cap was unique. 
The cap had a unique combination of colours for that area. Or for 
girls, the ribbon around the school hat would be a unique combination 
of colours.

You might be far enough away from an adult that you could hide your 
blazer badge, but that blasted cap/hat would instantly give away what 
school you were from. Therefore, if you did anything wrong/were out of 
bounds [in an area you weren't supposed to go into without 
permission], the cap would allow people to identify you as a pupil of 
XXX school. 

So, if you took your cap/hat off, it was generally because you were 
about to do something you shouldn't, or go somewhere you weren't 
allowed to, and didn't want to be identified. Hence the rules 
about 'cap/hat must be worn with school uniform when outside school.' 
And thus the reason teachers would prowl the neighbourhood looking for 
kids not wearing the cap, who were presumably up to no good at all...

Pip!Squeak





From seuferer at netins.net  Sun Jun  5 18:57:59 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:57:59 -0000
Subject: Fanart Snapes
Message-ID: <d7vhvn+7j4u@eGroups.com>

Delurking again a minute to share something besides my own 
fanfiction updates.  heh.

One of the various Severitus/Fanfiction Addiction Feeding Yahoo 
Groups to which I belong asked for fanart pic recommendations for 
use on the home page. The request inspired me to dig out my favorite 
links once again.  For all six of you reading my fanfic 
(*snicker*), "Lost Souls Found", the first two links here are 
what "My Severus" in my story looks like, because that's what he 
looks like in my head.

I did not draw these, and believe I have given adequate credit to 
the extremely talented individuals who did--these are merely the 
links to the pages where the 'owners' have posted the pictures.  

Please be kind and leave a comment if you take the time to look at 
the pictures.  It is the only "payment" fan artists and writers 
receive for their work.

http://www.nasubionna.net/hp/characters/photosnape.html

This is by Laura Freeman. THIS is my own personal mental image of 
Severus Snape when I read the books. We all have our own, but this 
one is definitely mine. I've never seen another fanart pic that 
comes close to this relatively 'photo-realistic' image of what I 
think Severus Snape looks like in canon. She says it is based 
heavily off of a photo of Alan Rickman, with artistic liberties to 
make him match the Snape in her head. She did a brilliant job. I 
love Alan Rickman, but *in my opinion* he is a little too old, too 
heavy-set, and too "jowl-y" to truly *BE* Snape IMHO--though he's 
got the whole robes/voice/mannerisms thing down to a "T".  I do 
think he's incredibly sexy (Rickman), he's just not *quite* Snape.

http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/fanq/p/e/peregrin2/sevwatercolor0001.jp
g.html

This is a watercolor portrait of "Young Severus", about mid MWPP 
era. It is absolutely stunning, it is exactly, again, how I picture 
him, and amazingly enough when viewed side-by-side you can really 
SEE the resemblance to the above drawing--I can easily imagine this 
young man growing into Laura Freeman's Snape--even though done by 
two different artists. This is done by Rebecca M. Roberts, when she 
was only 14 years old!! Now THERE is some talent!!

These two pictures combine my own personal 'mental image' of canon 
Severus Snape. *swoon*

This last one is the link to Gwyllion's LiveJournal where she had 
the very yummy picture for the "Hogwarts Swimsuit Calendar".

http://www.livejournal.com/users/the_gwyllion/42043.html

This Severus is just a teensy bit too 'conventionally' handsome for 
my personal tastes--I *like* that most women/people would not 
necessarily consider him 'hot'. *snicker* It's still very yummy, 
though, and the nose is bang-on, even better than the other two I've 
mentioned above--Severus Snape has a big old schnoz, we know it and 
we love him anyway! My Snape in my head is a bit skinnier than this 
very buff guy, though. heh. Not scrawny, but definitely very thin 
and wiry. This Snape is very 'hot' but he doesn't portray that whole 
hard-life-DE-stress-bitterness-angst-thing. Maybe, "How Snape might 
have looked if there was no Voldemort"?

Don't you think canon Snape should have scars? Something to shower 
with sympathetic kisses in rare moments of private passion...

*veg*

Anyway, just promoting other people's art that I enjoy 
tremendously.  My own personal preference in fan-art is Photo-
realistic stuff rather than Animee (spelling?) or comic-book type 
stuff, but that's just me.

Just wanted to 'share' with my list sisters. :)

Shanti
http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings
http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/authors.php?no=13713





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun  5 19:03:23 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:03:23 -0000
Subject: English units of measure
In-Reply-To: <d7jgth+piil@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7vi9r+tbbj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27406 :

> Here's a link on the history of English units of measurement that
> may be of interest to some of you:
> 
> http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/custom.html

Thanks, I've bookmarked it. It would have come in handy yesterday when
the GM asked the weight of a bushel of grain (the worldbook gave how
much grain to feed a family for a year in bushels but the cargo
capacity of a knorr in tons).

It also includes a nice clear definition of 'chain':
a unit of distance formerly used by surveyors. The traditional British
surveyor's chain, also called Gunter's chain  because it was
introduced by the English mathematician Edmund Gunter (1581-1626) in
1620, is 4 rods  long: that's equal to exactly 1/80 mile, 1/10
furlong, 22 yards, or 66 feet (20.1168 meters). The traditional length
of a cricket pitch is 1 chain. Gunter's chain has the useful property
that an acre is exactly 10 square chains. The chain was divided into
100 links. American surveyors sometimes used a longer chain of 100
feet, known as the engineer's chain or Ramsden's chain. (However,
Gunter's chain is also used in the U.S.; in fact, it is an important
unit in the Public Lands Survey System.) In Texas, the vara chain of 2
varas (55.556 ft) was used in surveying Spanish land grants. In the
metric world, surveyors often use a chain of 20 meters (65.617 ft).

In a very early phase of the project that has been ruining all our
lives for several years now, I was supposed to design a database to
store the information then residing on the maps and in the heads of
the Maintenance of Way (now renamed Wayside Systems) department. The
locations on their maps were stated in 'chaining' which is x + y where
x is the number of chains and y is the remainder in feet. Manfred (my
user contact) said he thought a chain is 100 yards but he wasn't sure.
So I looked up 'chain' in a lot of dictionaries and eventually learned
that a chain is a unit of 66 feet, 100 feet, or 20 meters.

When I found out that the chains on our maps were 100 feet, I fumed
that they could have written 344,031.288 instead of 344 + 31.288.

I don't understand why no one I've ever met shares my passion at such
variable units of measurement. You Can Have 17 Sickles to the Galleon
and 29 Knuts to the Sickle and I'll pull out my calculator to find how
many Knuts in half a Galleon, but at least the number of Knuts to a
Sickle doesn't Vary From Shop To Shop! 





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun  5 19:29:51 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:29:51 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CSI Game (was: Computer problem)
References: <033601c5695d$f636f900$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <42A352AF.000003.01752@KATHRYN>

 
Saitaina

 
Have you tried GameFAQs.com?  They have
walk through's for most PC games.
 
In fact, as I don't know which CSI
you're playing...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/list_c.html
 
They have four listed there.
 
Other then that I have no idea as I
don't have the game *pouts*.  It still
lives on my very long wish list.


K

Thank you! I have the very first CSI game (I only buy games when they're on
sale, although I *really* want the others now) and the walkthrough solved my
problems. The game is quite good fun, but once you've solved it, that's it,
not much else to do. My only complaints were that game!Catherine loves the
sound of her own voice even more than tv!Catherine (annoying as hell, she
insists on outlining her theory of the crime, which you should have worked
out yourself by that point anyway, and you can't do anything till she shuts
up) and that to get 100% you have to ask every question which means that
when I'm rescuing a kidnapped Gil in the finale I have to bounce around
asking pointless questions even though I've worked out where he is (and how
much danger he's in). 

K
 

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From judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jun  5 23:08:11 2005
From: judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:08:11 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter train run
In-Reply-To: <20050604225014.36096.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d800kr+1129j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> Judy,
>  
> It is on the Accio website.  The ride is in conjunction with a tour 
that includes quite a few things (virtual quiddich, feast in the 
great hall, classes, etc).  My kids (22,19, and 11) and I are 
discussing flying over next year and giving it a try.  If you go, let 
us know how you like it.
>  
> accio.org.uk
>  
> on the right hand side is a list of sponcers.  look for HP fan 
trips.
>  
> moonmyyst


Judy:
Thanks for responding to my question.  I checked out the site you 
suggested.  Is this the *only* way to ride this train.  Does it 
operate *just* for Accio, or does it also have any runs that Scotland 
residents can easily access for, say, within one day or so?






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  5 23:13:21 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:13:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter train run
In-Reply-To: <d800kr+1129j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050605231321.54306.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

It looked like to me when I was reading the description of the trip, the train is only pulled out for filming and for the Accio trips.  It looks like they have weekend and day trips but most look like they are sold out.  There should be a way to contact them and ask.  
 
What part of Scotland are you from?
 
moonmyyst

Judy Tait <judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> Judy,
>  
> It is on the Accio website.  The ride is in conjunction with a tour 
that includes quite a few things (virtual quiddich, feast in the 
great hall, classes, etc).  My kids (22,19, and 11) and I are 
discussing flying over next year and giving it a try.  If you go, let 
us know how you like it.
>  
> accio.org.uk
>  
> on the right hand side is a list of sponcers.  look for HP fan 
trips.
>  
> moonmyyst


Judy:
Thanks for responding to my question.  I checked out the site you 
suggested.  Is this the *only* way to ride this train.  Does it 
operate *just* for Accio, or does it also have any runs that Scotland 
residents can easily access for, say, within one day or so?





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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 04:20:47 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:20:47 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game - Heart and Soul
Message-ID: <d80iuv+bakm@eGroups.com>

Recently in a unrelated post in the main group revolving around the
motivations of the various /players/ who were involved in and/or
associated with the "Prank", PhoenixGod2000 mentioned that Harry could
learn a lot about being a 'Fated Hero' by reading the book "Ender's
Game" by Orson Scott Card.

Oh my, oh my, was he ever right. I had looked at 'Enders Game' in the
book store several times, and could never bring myself to buy it
because I thought it was probably a pretty light book aimed at 10 year
olds. Well, that may or may not be marketed to 10 year olds, but this
is anything but a shallow easy read.

This is a wonderfully deep and rich book. It is a tale of a Hero who
is fated to a destiny he can't escape, and a fate that he faces with a
fierce courage and determination. Harry Potter faces a stressful life,
but poor Ender (Andrew) Wiggins is put through 324 pages of living
hell. Yet the book still manages to maintain an endearing charm, and
gives us a wonderfully likeable/loveable central character. 

More importantly, not only does this book have a lot of heart, but it
has a tremendous soul. This is a deep gripping story, that can't help
but tug at your heartstings. Many times throughout this book I could
feel emotion welling up inside of me, and the ending left an even
larger heartfelt swelling of emotion that linger for quite a while.
You have to be a very hard-hearted person on to be moved by this book.
Even as I right this post, I am again moved by its heart.

But again, even with it darkness, it does have a wonderfully endearing
charm to it.

I found it in paperback for less that $4.00 at Walmart, and I promise
you, for entertainment value, for a truly memorable experience, you
will likely never find a better way to spend $4.00. 

This is a tremedous book for any reader of any age, but especially
those who are captivated by Science Fiction, fantasy, or by just one
damn good story. If your not into Science Fiction, don't let that put
you off, this book has a depth and a heart that goes far beyond the
basic genre.

Charm, depth, heart, and soul; I highly recommend it.

Steve/bboyminn







From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jun  6 04:31:02 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:31:02 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ender's Game - Heart and Soul
In-Reply-To: <d80iuv+bakm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42A45E26.21083.F4C1F19@localhost>

On 6 Jun 2005 at 4:20, Steve wrote:

> This is a tremedous book for any reader of any age, but especially
> those who are captivated by Science Fiction, fantasy, or by just one
> damn good story. If your not into Science Fiction, don't let that put
> you off, this book has a depth and a heart that goes far beyond the
> basic genre.

Steve - if you haven't already, get yourself to a bookshop and get 
"Ender's Shadow". It's basically the same story, but told from the 
perspective of Bean - you see many of the same events, but you get 
another viewpoint of them (and because Bean is smarter than Ender, 
it's often a much clearer viewpoint - Bean works out a lot more about 
what is going on). Personally I think Shadow is the better book, but 
only because Card was a lot more experienced as a writer when he came 
to it.

The rest of the Shadow saga that follows it is good as well (I didn't 
really like the sequels to Ender's Game much - just not my thing - I 
like the sequels to Shadow).

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 05:16:46 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:16:46 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game - Heart and Soul
In-Reply-To: <42A45E26.21083.F4C1F19@localhost>
Message-ID: <d80m7u+uuo0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2005 at 4:20, Steve wrote:
> 
> > This is a tremedous book for any reader of any age, but especially
> > those who are captivated by Science Fiction, fantasy, or by just 
> > one damn good story. If your not into Science Fiction, don't let 
> > that put you off, this book has a depth and a heart that goes far 
> > beyond the basic genre.


> Shaun:
> 
> Steve - if you haven't already, get yourself to a bookshop and get 
> "Ender's Shadow". It's basically the same story, but told from the 
> perspective of Bean - ...edited..
> 
> The rest of the Shadow saga that follows it is good as well (I
> didn't really like the sequels to Ender's Game much - just not my 
> thing - I like the sequels to Shadow).
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately 

bboyminn:

Way ahead of you Shaun, I'm planning to pick it up tommorrow.

One problem I have is that 'Shadow' Series appear to be 7 or 8 books
look but I'm finding little information as to the correct order of the
series. Amazon on lists a couple of the book with indication of where
they fit in.

I've read reviews, about the continuation of the Ender story, that
indicate these are a little deeper and a little slower read, but most
still give them high ratings. 

Also, the are other books, that appear to be related to the Ender
story, but I can't figure out where they fit in. They don't have
'Shadow' in the title, and they don't appear to be part of the four
volume Ender's Game and it's extensions.

First, keep in mind I just finished the book, so I haven't been
looking at this for very long, but if you could help me figure out
which books belong where and in what order, I would appreciate it. I'm
sure I'll eventually find out on my own.

Also, the three volume extension of Ender's Game (Speaker for the
Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind) is available in a boxed set for
only US$16.30 + shipping. At that price, it seems clear I should buy
the set.

If you can help, thanks; if you can't, thank anyway.

Steve/bboyminn






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon Jun  6 05:38:15 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:38:15 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ender's Game - Heart and Soul
In-Reply-To: <d80m7u+uuo0@eGroups.com>
References: <42A45E26.21083.F4C1F19@localhost>
Message-ID: <42A46DE7.8718.F89A8B3@localhost>

On 6 Jun 2005 at 5:16, Steve wrote:

> Also, the three volume extension of Ender's Game (Speaker for the
> Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind) is available in a boxed set for
> only US$16.30 + shipping. At that price, it seems clear I should buy
> the set.
> 
> If you can help, thanks; if you can't, thank anyway.

OK - the order of books I know - there may be some I don't know.

Ender's Game, and Ender's Shadow generally occur at the same time.

The sequels to Ender's Game are: Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and 
Children of the Mind. They are certainly worth reading - they are 
good solid science fiction, and many people love them - they're just 
not really to my personal taste.

The sequels to Ender's Shadow are: Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow 
Puppets, and Shadow of the Giant.

There's also a book called First Meetings which includes a few short 
stories written in the same universe. I would read that after the 
other books, personally - one story (The Investment Counsellor) 
contains a character who it's probably best to have first encountered 
in Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind, and two 
(The Polish Boy, and Teachers Pest) refer to the earlier lives of 
Ender's parents, and I think are best read after the Shadow saga.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 12:57:15 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:57:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Many belated birthdays!
Message-ID: <20050606125715.40341.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>

*shuffles feet, wringing tea towel in her hands*

I has been a bad Birthday Elf, I has. I went on
holiday and forgot about birthdays when I returned. I
promises to better and hopes the kind misses and sirs
will be forgiving and not make me iron my poor
fingers.

*looks around party room with puppydog eyes*

May birthday honourees missed were: Lilibet, Jen P,
Charis Julia and Kaylee Tonks-Lupin. June birthdays so
far were: Stephanie (Sam), Mecki and Angela Burgess.
Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Lilibet at: lilibetlilibet at yahoo.com, Jen
P at: JenP_97 at yahoo.com, Charis Julia at:
fgroan at hotmail.com, Kaylee at: Fuzzlebub85 at aol.com,
Stephanie at: sam2sar at charter.net, Mecki at:
meckelburg at foni.net and Angela at: MmeBurgess at msn.com

I hope all of you had days filled with joy, magic and
the company of good friends!

Happy Birthday, Lilibet!
Happy Birthday, Jen!
Happy Birthday, Charis Julia!
Happy Birthday, Kaylee!
Happy Birthday, Stephanie!
Happy Birthday, Mecki!
Happy Birthday, Angela!

*takes special with finishing touches on the
decorations and makes sure the food tables are well
stocked before popping out to enlist help bringing in
so many cakes*

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, promising to do better 

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From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Jun  6 18:25:59 2005
From: joym999 at aol.com (joywitch_m_curmudgeon)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:25:59 -0000
Subject: HBP -- possible spoiler (but probably just rumor)
In-Reply-To: <d7t8d0+h6tm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d824fn+g01h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Joywitch Z. Curmudgeon (is that Joysie for short?) wrote:
> 
> > I was listening to NPR this morning, and they had a news report 
> > about the attempt to steal the 2 copies of HBP which happened in 
> > England yesterday.  The reporter stated (after pronouncing JKR's 
> > name wrong) that the reason why the books were so coveted was 
> > because the author said that one of the main characters would be 
> > killed off in this book.  Um, have I been asleep?  Did JKR say 
> > this?  Have you all heard this, or did NPR just make it up?
> 
> It's not a spoiler, really, I don't think, and I struggle with it 
a 
> bit myself.
> 
> I think all JKR has said is that there will be deaths as the 
series 
> progresses and that the series will get darker.  The fandom has 
> deduced that there must be at least *one* death of a character at 
> least equivalent to Sirius in importance.
> 
> But I'm a bit rusty on the chats - particularly the World Book day 
> and the Edinburgh ones which gave quite a bit of information - so 
> there might be something more specific.


Hmmmmm.  I think I've read both those chats, and they don't seem to 
indicate anything of the sort.  Where are they getting this stuff?  
NPR isn't usually prone to sensationalism, althought they are prone 
to pompousness.

It is kind of nice to be back here.  <<Takes a minute to look at the 
new furnishings and decorations.>>  The main list has become too 
crowded for me, but this is still nice and cozy.

--Joywitch Z. "don't call me Joysie" Curmudgeon





From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Mon Jun  6 18:40:14 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:40:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP -- possible spoiler (but probably just rumor)
In-Reply-To: <d824fn+g01h@eGroups.com>
References: <d824fn+g01h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2246775b2e5acb0d62da783e3b6d90db@fandm.edu>

> It is kind of nice to be back here.  <<Takes a minute to look at the
> new furnishings and decorations.>>  The main list has become too
> crowded for me, but this is still nice and cozy.
>
> --Joywitch Z. "don't call me Joysie" Curmudgeon

I meant to say before -- welcome back, Joywitch!  Hopefully we'll see a 
lot more familiar faces trickle in as HBP approaches.  *crosses 
fingers*

Laura




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun  6 19:00:26 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:00:26 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Harry Potter's next great adventure - becoming PM of Holland?
Message-ID: <42A49D4A.000003.01348@KATHRYN>

The Belgian Foreign Minister has had to apologise after comparing the Dutch
PM to Harry Potter -

http://news.yahoo
com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050606/od_uk_nm/oukoe_belgium_netherlands_potter


i love the fact that he said the PM was "a mix between Harry Potter and a
brave rigid bourgeois" and it's the Harry Potter part of that he's
apologising for.

I also notice that Yahoo have helpfully provided some links to help you case
you need some help placing the terms "Harry Potter" or "European Union"!

K




From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 19:08:42 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:08:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sad news - update
In-Reply-To: <20050523152723.16387.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050606190843.62247.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>




Well,  we have Ghostie's ashes back.  The autopsie is in and it came back inconclusive.  There were no stomach contents (I feed my dogs in the evening) and all of the tests for the usual toxins came back negative.  I am on a chat list for sheltie breeders and I put the question out to them if they could come up with something that we missed.  They are holding on to her blood until we know that we have tested for anything that we can think of.  The problem is that I cannot think of anything that would match the symptoms.  I am at a complete loss as to what to do next.

Thank you all again for all of your support in this.  

moonmyyst (Karan)


		
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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 21:15:26 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:15:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter's next great adventure - becoming PM of Holland?
In-Reply-To: <42A49D4A.000003.01348@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <20050606211526.14562.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kathryn  wrote:
 

i love the fact that he said the PM was "a mix between Harry Potter and a
brave rigid bourgeois" and it's the Harry Potter part of that he's
apologising for.

Lynn:
 
I don't see what the problem is or who was outraged.  The Dutch public have been calling him Harry Potter ever since he took office.  I read the article to my Dutch husband and he also found it interesting that the offense was in being called Harry Potter than in being a "brave rigid bourgeois".  Then again, my husband is Labour and Harry Potter's Tory.
 
I also had fun reading some of the odd stories they headlined at the bottom.  Sometimes I wonder if the world has gone completely mad.  LOL


 

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 21:18:39 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:18:39 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter's next great adventure - becoming PM of Holland?
In-Reply-To: <42A49D4A.000003.01348@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d82ejf+ct78@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
> The Belgian Foreign Minister has had to apologise after comparing
the Dutch
> PM to Harry Potter -
> 
>
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050606/od_uk_nm/oukoe_belgium_netherlands_potter
> 
> 
> i love the fact that he said the PM was "a mix between Harry Potter
> and a brave rigid bourgeois" and it's the Harry Potter part of that 
> he's apologising for.
> 
>...edited...
> 
> K

bboyminn:

I posted on this in the main group, but since the discussion won't be
allowed to go far there. I'm reposting here. 

Here is the part I don't get, what was the insult? If the read the
article correctly, the person in question has even compared himself to
Harry Potter. So, I don't understand the media's outrage or see why it
required an apology.

Shouldn't being compared to Harry Potter be a good thing?

steve/bboyminn





From judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun  6 21:42:09 2005
From: judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:42:09 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter train run
In-Reply-To: <20050605231321.54306.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d82fvh+dkqi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> It looked like to me when I was reading the description of the 
trip, the train is only pulled out for filming and for the Accio 
trips.  It looks like they have weekend and day trips but most look 
like they are sold out.  There should be a way to contact them and 
ask.

Judy
That would be *great* if there was information available about this 
train doing runs, other than when filming and for Accio.  Any 
suggestions/recommendations from anyone here would be most 
welcome . . . . . . .

  
> What part of Scotland are you from?

Judy
My husband, who was born in Paisley, has lived in Glasgow for the 
past 22 years.  I am an American (originally from North Carolina) 
who "met" him online 2 1/2 years ago.  We quickly became friends, 
and -- after tons of emails, AOL IM chatting, weekly phone calls and 
voice chatting on MSN Messenger -- we decided that I would come spend 
a 3-week vacation with him.  It didn't take long into those 3 weeks 
to confirm that we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together.  
So, I went through the appropriate paperwork with the British Embassy 
so that I could move over to Glasgow at the end of November 2003.  We 
were married on January 23, 2004 and have been very happy together 
ever since.  Our 1st anniversary was a very happy occasion, and we 
had dinner at a local Mexican restaurant (something I have been 
wanting to do, and he made that come true).  

I enjoy sharing my story whenever anyone asks, so I hope you don't 
mind my "babbling", KG.  Please feel free to ask if you want to hear 
about anything else about this!  *chuckle*






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 22:02:11 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter's next great adventure - becoming PM of Holland?
In-Reply-To: <d82ejf+ct78@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050606220211.68658.qmail@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Steve wrote:
 
Here is the part I don't get, what was the insult? If the read the
article correctly, the person in question has even compared himself to
Harry Potter. So, I don't understand the media's outrage or see why it
required an apology.

Shouldn't being compared to Harry Potter be a good thing?

Lynn:
 
As I said in an earlier post, I also don't see the problem, the Dutch have been calling him Harry Potter since he took over.  
 
That said, the more I think about it, the more I think it has a lot to do with the "slap in the face" he received by the Dutch voting to reject the EU Constitution.  It was a very public example of some more internal problems going on with the government at the moment and the Dutch displeasure over it.
 
>From what I've heard from my in-laws, read through the papers and have experienced with regard to our posting here, he's having trouble getting his agenda through and while before getting compared to Harry Potter may have been a joke previously, it now underscores a lack of respect.
 
Just a theory.
 


 

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jun  7 12:51:16 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:51:16 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter's next great adventure - becoming PM of Holland?
In-Reply-To: <20050606220211.68658.qmail@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d84584+tvpn@eGroups.com>

> Lynn:
>  
> As I said in an earlier post, I also don't see the problem, the 
Dutch have been calling him Harry Potter since he took over.  
>  
> That said, the more I think about it, the more I think it has a lot 
to do with the "slap in the face" he received by the Dutch voting to 
reject the EU Constitution.  It was a very public example of some more 
internal problems going on with the government at the moment and the 
Dutch displeasure over it.

Yes, in context, I think it's an apologisable offence.  The insult was 
to say "You (the leader of a democracy) can't make the people do what 
you want".  No democratic leader can afford to be seen to accept a 
remark like that, since it seems to be saying that you disrespect the 
will of the people.  The Harry Potter aspect is just the form it took.

David, wondering what 'rigid brave bourgeois' means






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Tue Jun  7 22:44:48 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:44:48 -0000
Subject: Remember the Madness.
In-Reply-To: <d7t1hf+59ic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d85810+veol@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:

Steve/bboyminn
> Once again, rules outweigh common sense.
> If I understand correctly GCSE exams are /national/ exams; they are
> set and controlled by the national government. I would think that a
> /national/ exam would take precedence over the dress code of the local
> school. I further assume that the local school mearly host the
> location of the exam. That is, there must be some national GCSE
> approved person on the scene who is the true exam authority. The
> school presumably only provide a location for the exam and some
> assistance in administering it.

Geoff:
Coming in a bit late on this thread, I can add a few thoughts to the 
above.

Those of you who have the iron will required to wade through my waffle 
will have picked up that I taught in the same school in South London 
for 32 years.

For 15 of those years, I was the Examinations Secretary. That meant 
that I had the responsibility of ensuring that all entries were passed 
to me, I liaised with pupils to see that these were correct and then 
ensured that the correct papers were obtained, that pupils knew their 
timetables etc.

GCSE was introduced in 1986 as a combination of the old GCE (dating 
from 1951) which was really aimed at academically better pupils and CSE 
which had appeared in 1965. It was intended to give a single umbrella 
examination to all pupils. There are still certain exams which remain 
outside GCSE - specialist and vocational papers among them.

There is not a nationally approved person in the strict sense of the 
word; each school has a member of staff who oversees all the 
administration and documentation for the tests and is answerable to the 
Head for the conduct of the examinations.

Many schools have "Study Leave". This means that when the exams begin, 
pupils in Year 11 (the old Fifth Year) are only on site when they have 
tests due. For many years, we also worked a policy of allowing pupils 
to dress informally for exams rather than wear uniform for them. 
Knowing the way uniform has declined in recent years, I am quite 
surprised to find a school making such an issue over a pair of shoes. 
At my own school, a rule was introduced shortly before I took early 
retirement - and this is a few years ago now - that all-black trainers 
were permissible instead of shoes. 

Sad, innit?





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  7 22:52:00 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:52:00 -0000
Subject: Ender's Shadow - More Heart & Soul
Message-ID: <d858eg+mg2d@eGroups.com>

I just finished reading "Ender's Shadow" by Orson Scott Card which is
the parallel book to "Ender's Game". By that I mean it's the same
story told from the perspective of two different participants (Ender
and Bean).

Once again, we have a stunning book with tremendous heart and soul. If
you haven't read these first two books in the Ender's series, then you
are missing out. Especially since these books are somwhat old and can
be purchased in paperback for very little money. I promise you, you
will never find a more productive, rewarding, and entertaining way to
spend that money.

I really like this book, but it didn't appeal to be as much as 'Enders
Game'. Perhaps because it was anti-climactic since I knew the ending.
Don't get me wrong, this was a thoroughly captivatind books, rich in
detail, complex in character, and once again a book that is guaranteed
to tug at your heartstrings while making you smile.

Rarely have I been as impressed as I am by these book.

I'm not sure if it was Shaun or Phoenixgood who said that 'Enders
Game' what the most perfect Science Fiction story ever written, and
after reading the books plus reading several reviews, I think you
would find very few people who would take exception to that statement.

Just telling like I see it.

Steve/bboymin 






From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  8 00:41:10 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:41:10 -0000
Subject: very OT
Message-ID: <d85er6+pt95@eGroups.com>

Hi, I'm looking for a LOTR group, just like HPFGU, anyone knows one? 
Thanks
Juli





From amdorn at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  8 12:39:26 2005
From: amdorn at hotmail.com (amdorn)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:39:26 -0000
Subject: JKR's website
Message-ID: <d86otu+n1jq@eGroups.com>

I just visited JKR's website and found a "new" bit on her Extra Stuff 
section.  But I wanted some confirmation that it is new and not just 
something that I finally took notice of.  Has she always had an 
Honorary Degree on the bulletin board?  Also, has there always been 
white gum wrappers on her main desk?  Finally, does anyone know of a 
still of her main desk just prior to all the "links" uploaded?  
Basically a view of the papers underneath the news, rumors, and 
biography section links.

Any help would be appreciated.





From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Wed Jun  8 16:59:37 2005
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:59:37 -0000
Subject: Ender's Shadow - More Heart & Soul
In-Reply-To: <d858eg+mg2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8785p+fj82@eGroups.com>

Steve, I haven't read the books for years. I do remember being blown 
away with the first book and that as the series goes along they become 
less enjoyable, as is often the case. Also his "Homecoming" series is 
a retelling of the Book of Mormon only with different names and set in 
the future.

Casey





From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Jun  9 00:01:27 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:01:27 -0000
Subject: A Word on Reviews
Message-ID: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com>

On one of the Yahoo Groups to which I belong, a fanfic reader asked 
a question about how to leave a review. Her question, paraphrased 
here, was basically, "I don't know what to say in a review, or how 
to be specific with my comments. I don't want to leave just a 
short, 'I liked this' sort of review because so many fanfic authors 
disdain those sorts of comments as being unhelpful. What should I 
say in a review? How important is a review, really?"

As this is a topic near and dear to my heart, I answered her, and 
then decided to post my 'essay' about here and there, as 'reviews' 
and the questionable 'importance' of them, is a common topic for 
discussion among many authors/artists and readers/viewers among 
fandom.

My answer then, is thus:

As a fanfic writer, I have to say I *love* */ANY/* review, even a 
brief, "I really enjoyed this chapter" or "This chapter seemed a 
little rough" or even "luv it, more soon plz!" Specifics HELP, but 
they aren't necessary.

As a reviewer, when I leave a review (and because of my own 
experience, I *ALWAYS* leave a review of anything I read) I try and 
comment on whatever still sticks out at me by the end of the 
chapter/story. If I notice a typo or something, I'll mention that, 
too, because I LOVE it when my reviewers catch something I've missed 
so I can fix it. A recent review I left for a Snupin I read was 
something like, "I really enjoyed this story. Snape was very in-
character and yet I could still believe him to have tender feelings 
for Remus, just good at hiding it."

If I'm in a hurry, I'll leave a very short review, but I do still 
review. "I really enjoyed this!" is often all I'll leave if nothing 
stands out as needing specific comment.

If I didn't enjoy the story I might say something about why I didn't 
enjoy it--nicely. Some examples of those reasons might be:

"This is a really well thought out story, but I don't like to read 
Severus as being that mean just for the sake of being mean--just my 
own interpretation."

Or:

"There seem to be a lot of grammar and spelling errors in this 
story, which really detracted from my ability to focus on the plot. 
You might want to look into a beta-reader to help you with that, it 
helps improve your writing."

Or:

"Wow, these characters were really quite a bit out-of-character from 
what we know in canon. You might consider putting "AU" warning in 
your story description so that the reader knows that you are taking 
wide liberties with the characters in question."

The reason I personally feel so strongly about reviews is because I 
am currently in the process of writing a very lengthy WIP myself. 
Every chapter represents literally /*HOURS*/ of work on my part, the 
time and effort of my beta-reader, then the time to re-edit after 
she has made her corrections and suggestions. I put all that time 
and effort into the chapter, post it, and if I am really, really 
lucky, I'll get two to three reviews on the chapter on each of the 
sites to which I post. This makes it almost impossible for me to 
gauge how my story is being 'received'. AFN even has a 'hit' 
counter, so I can see the story has been 'hit' 150 times with the 
new chapter--with 1 or 2 reviews. Does that mean that the other 148 
people thought the chapter sucked? If they did, WHY? I'd really LOVE 
to know! 

I don't want to hear something mean just to be mean, "This is the 
dumbest thing I ever read..." But something like, "Whoa, I think 
your Snape is way out of character because ______ and _____" would 
give me something to go on. Someone recently pointed out I'd 
misspelled 'Shirlock Holmes' (I'd put Sherlock) and I fixed it right 
away. Another reviewer helped me with some choppiness in 
my 'Southern' dialog. I really appreciate those sorts of 'catches'. 
They are not 'mean'--they are very HELPFUL.

By the same token, I love the people who take two seconds to leave:

"That was great, can't wait for the next chapter."

It's not terribly informative and doesn't help me /improve/ the 
story, but it does let me know that I'm not spending all this time 
and effort for NOTHING. 

Some fanfic writers say they don't care about reviews, "I'm writing 
this story for me, not the readers." I really admire that viewpoint, 
but it's not mine. If I was writing this only for ME, I'd leave it 
in my computer and never post it anywhere for anyone else to read--
it would remain just for my own enjoyment. I'm writing my story 
because I love writing, and I really do someday hope to write 
something of my OWN rather than a fanfic where I borrow so much from 
the 'world' of someone else. Comments of the reader help me to see 
where I can improve my style, where I have been unclear in the plot, 
and where sometimes I have gone too far off onto a tangent that 
really has nothing to do with the 'main' story.

I love it when my reviewers ask questions. I might not answer them 
right away, either in the story or in a return comment, but it lets 
me know what people are thinking and wondering as they read, so I 
can make sure to 'tie up' those strings along the way in the story.

In my opinion, reviews are the only form of 'payment' a fanfic 
author receives--and the same holds true, I think for all those 
talented fanart Artists. If there is no 'payment', then there is 
little incentive to continue to write. I can't even begin to tell 
you, at least for ME, how discouraging it feels to spend all that 
time and effort, post something that I feel good about (I wouldn't 
post it if I didn't) and then have little to no feedback on it.

One person told me once that the reason she never reviews is because 
she just doesn't have 'time'. She told me how busy she was with her 
kids, work, life, etc. Yet she found time to READ the story? I have 
four kids, two of whom just completed a very time-consuming ballet 
recital, two of whom are in little-league baseball, more dancing for 
the summer, boy and girl scouts, taekwondo, and a toddler who has to 
be dragged to all this running about that his older siblings are 
doing. AND I also work outside the home 24-36 hours a week. Do I not 
understand busy? Yet I can find the time to WRITE the story... is it 
too much to hope that the reader will take an extra moment at the 
end to review?

Another person told me that he/she only reviews once at the very end 
of the story--and maybe a lot of people are like that so I'll get 
more reviews when my story is done. I surely understand the 
frustration of reading a WIP that becomes abandoned, so I understand 
all those people who say they never read WIPs. For those people who 
DO read WIP's and don't mind the wait between chapters, the comments 
I receive often help 'polish' the story as I go along and are as 
cherished as gold.

This diatribe is much more than you were looking for when you asked 
your question, I know. I just thought I'd explain what I do from the 
position as the reviewer, and also why it means so much to me to get 
that feedback, as the reviewee.

I know I am not alone in this, but in my opinion, it is merely a 
courtesy. If you read it/look at it, it seems to me the only polite 
thing to do is to take a moment to 'feed' the author/artist. It 
really is the only "payment" that the author/artist receives. For 
the vast majority of us, reviews mean a great deal.

Sincerely,

Shanti
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/
http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 02:06:09 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter train run
In-Reply-To: <d82fvh+dkqi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050609020609.10998.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

That sounds wonderfully romantic!!
 
I live in Georgia - just down the road from where you were.
 
I have always had a fantasy about a man from the "wilds" of Scotland.  Congratulations!!
 
Karan

Judy Tait <judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> It looked like to me when I was reading the description of the 
trip, the train is only pulled out for filming and for the Accio 
trips.  It looks like they have weekend and day trips but most look 
like they are sold out.  There should be a way to contact them and 
ask.

Judy
That would be *great* if there was information available about this 
train doing runs, other than when filming and for Accio.  Any 
suggestions/recommendations from anyone here would be most 
welcome . . . . . . .

  
> What part of Scotland are you from?

Judy
My husband, who was born in Paisley, has lived in Glasgow for the 
past 22 years.  I am an American (originally from North Carolina) 
who "met" him online 2 1/2 years ago.  We quickly became friends, 
and -- after tons of emails, AOL IM chatting, weekly phone calls and 
voice chatting on MSN Messenger -- we decided that I would come spend 
a 3-week vacation with him.  It didn't take long into those 3 weeks 
to confirm that we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together.  
So, I went through the appropriate paperwork with the British Embassy 
so that I could move over to Glasgow at the end of November 2003.  We 
were married on January 23, 2004 and have been very happy together 
ever since.  Our 1st anniversary was a very happy occasion, and we 
had dinner at a local Mexican restaurant (something I have been 
wanting to do, and he made that come true).  

I enjoy sharing my story whenever anyone asks, so I hope you don't 
mind my "babbling", KG.  Please feel free to ask if you want to hear 
about anything else about this!  *chuckle*





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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 03:23:59 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 03:23:59 -0000
Subject: JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <d86otu+n1jq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d88cof+5vt0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amdorn" <amdorn at h...> wrote:
> I just visited JKR's website and found a "new" bit on her Extra Stuff 
> section.  But I wanted some confirmation that it is new and not just 
> something that I finally took notice of.  Has she always had an 
> Honorary Degree on the bulletin board?  Also, has there always been 
> white gum wrappers on her main desk?  Finally, does anyone know of a 
> still of her main desk just prior to all the "links" uploaded?  
> Basically a view of the papers underneath the news, rumors, and 
> biography section links.
> 

Tonks:
The gum wrappers have always been there. I saw something there today 
that I wondered about on the FAQ page. This might be a spoiler. about 
the HBP book. But then again it might be old news. SO
s

p

o

i

l

e

r


Someone asked a guestion about bloodlines in the WW. The pure blood 
idea. And she said that would be explained more in HBP.

Tonks_op






From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Thu Jun  9 03:51:15 2005
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 03:51:15 -0000
Subject: JKR's website
In-Reply-To: <d86otu+n1jq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d88ebj+r3sn@eGroups.com>

:-) I'm happy to help!
No, the honorary degree is not new, it's been there since Aug16th, 
sorry. Here's a link to the Lexicon page about the bulletin board 
items.
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-bboard-1.html

and yes the white gum wrappers have always been on the desktop.  The 
only change there was the Rubbish Bin portkey (and the marble).
I'm currently working on adding this page and many others, but in the 
mean time, here is a screenshot of the desktop background. 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/bhobbs/background.jpg
(hope the links work)
Belinda


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amdorn" <amdorn at h...> wrote:
> I just visited JKR's website and found a "new" bit on her Extra 
Stuff 
> section.  But I wanted some confirmation that it is new and not just 
> something that I finally took notice of.  Has she always had an 
> Honorary Degree on the bulletin board?  Also, has there always been 
> white gum wrappers on her main desk?  Finally, does anyone know of a 
> still of her main desk just prior to all the "links" uploaded?  
> Basically a view of the papers underneath the news, rumors, and 
> biography section links.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 08:59:30 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 04:59:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050609085930.16237.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com>


--- shanti_50130 <seuferer at netins.net> wrote:

> On one of the Yahoo Groups to which I belong, a
> fanfic reader asked 
> a question about how to leave a review. Her
> question, paraphrased 
> here, was basically, "I don't know what to say in a
> review, or how 
> to be specific with my comments. I don't want to
> leave just a 
> short, 'I liked this' sort of review because so many
> fanfic authors 
> disdain those sorts of comments as being unhelpful.
> What should I 
> say in a review? How important is a review, really?"
> 
> As this is a topic near and dear to my heart, I
> answered her, and 
> then decided to post my 'essay' about here and
> there, as 'reviews' 
> and the questionable 'importance' of them, is a
> common topic for 
> discussion among many authors/artists and
> readers/viewers among 
> fandom.
> 
> My answer then, is thus:
> 
<snip essay>
> 
> I know I am not alone in this, but in my opinion, it
> is merely a 
> courtesy. If you read it/look at it, it seems to me
> the only polite 
> thing to do is to take a moment to 'feed' the
> author/artist. It 
> really is the only "payment" that the author/artist
> receives. For 
> the vast majority of us, reviews mean a great deal.
> 

I'd have to say that I don't understand why someone
would read a story and not review it. 

I used to read a lot of fanfic, back in the days when
I had more time. Now, I barely try to keep up with the
ones I originally started reading. Not because I don't
like them. In fact, I've stopped reading fics in
progress that I like very much. Why? I just don't have
time. Sure, I could read skim through chapters
quickly, but where's the pleasure in that? 

When I read, I *want* to review. Reviewing is a long
process for me. I keep a page open on my computer and
track comments/suggestions as I read, then compile
them into a coherent review. Personally, if I don't
have the time to do this as I read a fic, then I don't
read. 

Sheryll, who knows she's missing lots of good fics for
lack of time :)

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Jun  9 09:46:43 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:46:43 -0000
Subject: A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d89363+5aea@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanti_50130" 
<seuferer at n...> wrote:
The reason I personally feel so strongly about reviews is because I 
> am currently in the process of writing a very lengthy WIP myself. 
> Every chapter represents literally /*HOURS*/ of work on my part, 
the 
> time and effort of my beta-reader, then the time to re-edit after 
> she has made her corrections and suggestions. I put all that time 
> and effort into the chapter, post it, and if I am really, really 
> lucky, I'll get two to three reviews on the chapter on each of the 
> sites to which I post. 

 Someone recently pointed out I'd 
> misspelled 'Shirlock Holmes' (I'd put Sherlock) and I fixed it 
right 
> away. 

I've got a couple of things to say on this
1) I am currently writing a WIP, which I have never done before, but 
it is all-consuming.  ALL my spare time is taken up writing, editing 
and reading what I've done.  I think I want to post it - I'm not 
sure.  I might struggle with negative reviews (I have a very fragile 
ego at times).  Where can I find a good beta-reader?  I know where my 
story is going, and I know the characters inside out, but I think I 
need a beta-reader to make sure I'm not taking too much for granted.

2)Isn't Sherlock Holmes the correct spelling?

Sarah xx





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun  9 12:56:57 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 05:56:57 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
References: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c56cf2$b8e92620$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Shanti wrote:

<Someone recently pointed out I'd
misspelled 'Shirlock Holmes' (I'd put
Sherlock) and I fixed it right
away.>

Umm, SHERlock is how you spell it....

But I agree, ALL reviews are important,
from the one sentance (or word in some
cases) to the LONG reviews.  In fact I
prefer the shorter ones...easier to
reply to. :o)

I've gone five chapters on my flagship
story without a review and it makes me
want to bang my head against a wall
sometimes because while I AM writing
this for myself...I like to know that
it's being received by readers.

I think one of the largest reasons it
has taken me six years to write my WIP
is because my inspiration flows away as
it feels like no one's reading what I
write...I mean, I can find out the
story in my own head, what's the point
of sharing it if no one cares?

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 13:21:38 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:21:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <d89363+5aea@eGroups.com>
References: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com> <d89363+5aea@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005060906214f28c966@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/9/05, Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:

> and reading what I've done.  I think I want to post it - I'm not
> sure.  I might struggle with negative reviews (I have a very fragile

Then specify you want 'gentle' reviews in the 'header' portion.  I've
read so much badfic in the HP fandom that my patience does sometimes
wear thin at this notion I must candy-coat all criticisms or not say
anything.  I can be polite but I don't believe in lying just to
bolster an ego.


> ego at times).  Where can I find a good beta-reader?  I know where my

Try asking for a beta reader, *after* you read the rules, on certain
HP fic Yahoogroups and/or LiveJournals.  Or try asking on some of the
larger sites like FictionAlley and whatnot.


> 2)Isn't Sherlock Holmes the correct spelling?

Correct.  This does reflect that finding someone to beta read may not
mean you've found someone competent for the task.

As to why I don't review very often, see above about encountering more
badfic than good.  Plus, there's the old 'too long, didn't read'. ;-) 
I often end up skimming through portions of a fic.

Dina



From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 13:21:27 2005
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:21:27 -0000
Subject: Reviews, Sherlock Holmes, Young Sherlock Holmes...and Harry
In-Reply-To: <d89363+5aea@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d89fon+eaff@eGroups.com>


*...anxious to re-join the fray before the 7/16 release date, Entropy
rises from her cushy chair in Lurkdom, smoothes skirt and makes a
tentative move toward the center of the OT room...*


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanti_50130" 
> <seuferer at n...> wrote:I put all that time and effort into the
chapter, post it, and if I am really, really lucky, I'll get two to
three reviews on the chapter on each of the sites to which I post. 

I recently had a similar experience.  As an illustrator, it's always
helpful to get feedback. Like writers, however, we tend to work in
isolated environments and feedback is hard to come by.  So I decided
to post my work on a popular art site which specializes in allowing
artists to view and critique either individual works or your entire
portfolio. Big mistake!  Everyone at the site was so darn nice that
getting some actual constructive criticism was like pulling teeth!
They were so afraid of stepping on toes that most comments consisted
of nothing more than "10!" or "Lovely!". Geez, I'm good, but I'm not
that good! I don't think people understand that most of us put our
work out there and ask for criticism because we actually want
*criticism* -- not a pat on the back.  Anyway, my point is that you
may be able to prod people into giving some honest help by adding some
sort of comment, such as "Constructive criticism welcome" or some such
thing. Which leads me to...

>  Someone recently pointed out I'd misspelled 'Shirlock Holmes' (I'd
put Sherlock) and I fixed it right away. 
> 2)Isn't Sherlock Holmes the correct spelling?

Yes, "Sherlock" is correct.  Which leads me to...

I recently went through a bunch of old videotapes of my parents' and
came across "Young Sherlock Holmes". Anyone ever seen it? I was truly
struck by the similarities (of both the story itself and it's
cinematic treatment) to the Harry Potter movies.  (Check out
Sherlock's Great Hall. Look familiar?). Then I noticed that Chris
Columbus had a hand in the production. So, if you've got an afternoon
to kill and would like to get some insight into where the Harry Potter
movies got their look, you should definitely check this one out.

*...returns once again to Lurkdom's cozy embrace...*

:: Entropy ::






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  9 13:26:17 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:26:17 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <006f01c56cf2$b8e92620$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <002201c56cf6$d1f3fd30$0400a8c0@pensive>

But I agree, ALL reviews are important,
from the one sentance (or word in some
cases) to the LONG reviews.  In fact I
prefer the shorter ones...easier to
reply to. :o)

I've gone five chapters on my flagship
story without a review and it makes me
want to bang my head against a wall
sometimes because while I AM writing
this for myself...I like to know that
it's being received by readers.

I think one of the largest reasons it
has taken me six years to write my WIP
is because my inspiration flows away as
it feels like no one's reading what I
write...I mean, I can find out the
story in my own head, what's the point
of sharing it if no one cares?

Saitaina


Sherry now

Please, send me the URL to the first chapter of your WIP, and I will be glad
to read it and I will review.  I write as well, and though I don't feel able
to write an HP fan fiction story, I love reading them and always take time
to review.  I'm currently looking for something new to sink my teeth into!

Sherry




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 13:42:03 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:42:03 -0400
Subject: Harry/Snape fic Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005060906214f28c966@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com> <d89363+5aea@eGroups.com>
	 <1a27384005060906214f28c966@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050609064218c36748@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/9/05, I wrote:

> As to why I don't review very often, see above about encountering more
> badfic than good.

Then there's cases of fics that appeal to my pervyness of gender
bending and the writing isn't bad... but the characterization...
wooboy, out of character (OOC) is a *huge* understatement.

I was reading "Little Miss Mary" where Harry starts crossdressing as a
girl (AKA Mary) and has sex with Severus (AKA Uncle John) and Harry
decides he wants to become a hermaphrodite and get pregnant and this
is just a snippet of the dialogue:
"More, Sev, give him to me. He's jealous of all the attention my girl
entrance has been getting. He wants to be as tender as she is." His
back rippled when I hit my target again. "Take me hard, Sev, I'm not
fragile back there the way I am between my legs."

Err, the writer did give warnings about the fic.

Dina



From marycloudt at yahoo.ca  Thu Jun  9 13:53:40 2005
From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:53:40 -0000
Subject: A very special birthday
Message-ID: <d89hl4+t6bm@eGroups.com>

Just popping in to say that we are celebrating a Very Special Birthday 
Indeed today, that of our incredible Birthday Elf, Sheryll!

***puts up streamers, lays out loads of food, puts a huge cake on the 
table, places ashtrays in strategic places, and gives Sheryll a great 
big schnoogle***

Also let's give loads of birthday wishes to Melody, who is also 
celebrating today!

Happy birthday to you both!

Mary Ann
(aka Dizzy Elf, the Just-For-a-Day Birthday Elf)





From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 15:44:32 2005
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:44:32 -0000
Subject: HP soundtrack ringtones
Message-ID: <d89o50+g3du@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!  I am hoping someone here can help me find a site from 
shich to download an HP ringtone for my new phone.  I don't actually 
have the phone yet, but I want to search the options first.  I recall a 
link (maybe on TLC?)  to a website that has movie scores and soundtrack 
tones, but can't find it on my own?  Any suggestions would be greatly 
appreciated.  Feel free to email me off-list.
Thanks!
Cyndi






From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 16:02:08 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP soundtrack ringtones
In-Reply-To: <d89o50+g3du@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050609160208.6707.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey there.

Depending on what brand and what kind of phone you have, here's a good
site:

http://www.ringophone.com/results.asp?searchfield=harry+potter&index=0&type=poly

I have #4 on my Nokia 6800 and I love it.  It's unobtrusive and
non-annoying when it plays (and I usually get a "was that Harry Potter?"
at least once a week.  :) ).  During football and basketball season, I
switch to the UK fight song but otherwise, the HP tone stays on my phone.


Here's another one, but I didn't like the sound as much.


http://www.mrtones.com/polyphonic_ringtones/movies_tv_polyphonic_ringtones/9126/

Hope that helps.

MJ



--- thekrenz <thekrenz at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone!  I am hoping someone here can help me find a site from 
> shich to download an HP ringtone for my new phone.  I don't actually 
> have the phone yet, but I want to search the options first.  I recall a 
> link (maybe on TLC?)  to a website that has movie scores and soundtrack 
> tones, but can't find it on my own?  Any suggestions would be greatly 
> appreciated.  Feel free to email me off-list.
> Thanks!
> Cyndi
> 
> 



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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 17:21:00 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:21:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A very special birthday
In-Reply-To: <d89hl4+t6bm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050609172100.40098.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Mary Ann <marycloudt at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Just popping in to say that we are celebrating a
> Very Special Birthday 
> Indeed today, that of our incredible Birthday Elf,
> Sheryll!
> 
> ***puts up streamers, lays out loads of food, puts a
> huge cake on the 
> table, places ashtrays in strategic places, and
> gives Sheryll a great 
> big schnoogle***
> 
> Also let's give loads of birthday wishes to Melody,
> who is also 
> celebrating today!
> 
> Happy birthday to you both!
> 
> Mary Ann
> (aka Dizzy Elf, the Just-For-a-Day Birthday Elf)
> 

*wanders around room, plate in hand, chatting with
party-goers*

Thank you so much, Mary Ann! I must remember not to
eat too much of the delicious food. I'm having a girls
dinner out with my mother, sister and daughter
tonight. Asian-Caribbean fusion restaurant. Mmmmmmm.

I take it Alan Rickman was unavailable to join the
party?

Sheryll

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 17:32:59 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:32:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Melody!
Message-ID: <20050609173259.50307.qmail@web41124.mail.yahoo.com>

*puts down her plate of food and adds a few extra
touches to the decorations*

Today's other birthday honouree is long-time list
member Melody. Birthday owls can be sent care of this
list or directly to Melody at: malady579 at hotmail.com

I hope you're having a marvelous day, filled with fun
and much HP goodness.

*exits briefly and pops back with a lovely cake*

Happy Birthday, Melody!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, going back to her own cake :)

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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Jun  9 19:21:18 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:21:18 -0000
Subject: Harry/Snape fic Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050609064218c36748@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8a4re+mfm0@eGroups.com>

> Err, the writer did give warnings about the fic.
> Dina

Ye gods, Dina, I wish you'd given warnings about your *post*! I was 
having lunch while I was reading the group today!
MsTatt
(Neither a prude nor a homophobe, but jeez-louise!)








From marycloudt at yahoo.ca  Thu Jun  9 19:21:26 2005
From: marycloudt at yahoo.ca (Mary Ann)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:21:26 -0000
Subject: A very special birthday
In-Reply-To: <20050609172100.40098.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d8a4rm+7hmv@eGroups.com>

Sheryll wrote:

> I take it Alan Rickman was unavailable to join the
> party?

Weelll, he was going to..until I mentioned the loincloth.

Sorry about that.

Mary Ann, wandering off with a nifty mental image ;)






From ajroald at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 19:35:03 2005
From: ajroald at yahoo.com (Lea)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:35:03 -0000
Subject: A Word on Reviews  - Responses from Authors?
In-Reply-To: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8a5l7+6bmi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanti_50130" 
<seuferer at n...> wrote:
> On one of the Yahoo Groups to which I belong, a fanfic reader 
asked a question about how to leave a review. Her question, 
paraphrased here, was basically, "I don't know what to say in a 
review, or how to be specific with my comments. I don't want to 
leave just a short, 'I liked this' sort of review because so many 
fanfic authors disdain those sorts of comments as being unhelpful. 
What should I say in a review? How important is a review, really?"
> 
<snip> I know I am not alone in this, but in my opinion, it is 
merely a courtesy. If you read it/look at it, it seems to me the 
only polite thing to do is to take a moment to 'feed' the 
author/artist. It really is the only "payment" that the 
author/artist receives. For the vast majority of us, reviews mean a 
great deal.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Shanti
> http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/
> http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336

I don't think I could have said that any better if I had tried 
Shanti!  As a fanfic writer, I absolutely LIVE for reviews.  I want 
to know what the reader thought of the story, where it could have 
been improved upon, and if something evoked an emotional reaction or 
the reader just thought something was good.  

What I'm curious about is as a reviewer, do you like to get a 
response from the author?  How should an author reply to their 
reviewers?  What type of response do you want to get as a reviewer? 

Thanks,
Lea





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 20:32:08 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:32:08 -0000
Subject: A Word on Reviews + Some Shameless Self-Promotion
In-Reply-To: <d880sn+kgkr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8a908+f0o8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanti_50130" <seuferer at n...>
wrote:
> On one of the Yahoo Groups to which I belong, a fanfic reader asked 
> a question about how to leave a review. Her question, paraphrased 
> here, was basically, "I don't know what to say in a review, or how 
> to be specific with my comments. I don't want to leave just a 
> short, 'I liked this' sort of review because so many fanfic authors 
> disdain those sorts of comments as being unhelpful. What should I 
> say in a review? How important is a review, really?"
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> My answer then, is thus:
> 
> As a fanfic writer, I have to say I *love* */ANY/* review, even a 
> brief, "I really enjoyed this chapter" or "This chapter seemed a 
> little rough" or even "luv it, more soon plz!" Specifics HELP, but 
> they aren't necessary.
> 
> As a reviewer, when I leave a review (and because of my own 
> experience, I *ALWAYS* leave a review of anything I read) I try and 
> comment on whatever still sticks out at me by the end of the 
> chapter/story. If I notice a typo or something, I'll mention that, 
> too, because I LOVE it when my reviewers catch something I've missed 
> so I can fix it. A recent review I left for a Snupin I read was 
> something like, "I really enjoyed this story. Snape was very in-
> character and yet I could still believe him to have tender feelings 
> for Remus, just good at hiding it."
> 
> If I'm in a hurry, I'll leave a very short review, but I do still 
> review. "I really enjoyed this!" is often all I'll leave if nothing 
> stands out as needing specific comment.
> 
>...edited...
>
> Sincerely,
> 
> Shanti
> http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336

bboyminn:

Well, to the original person, let me say this, the fact that you WANT
to leave a review tells me that you have something to say. The story
impressed you, or you found some flaw in the style, or whatever. The
point is you must have something to say, or you wouldn't have the
desire to say something. So, say it.

Even simply little 'I enjoyed this' reviews are nice. If the way a
particular character was portrayed, or perhaps a certain scene moved
you then mention it. Remember a reveiw is just your opinion, and
that's all you have to give. 

Many reviews ARE very techinical in their reviews. They understand
literature and it's criticism and it shows, and that can be a little
imtimidating. Well, you don't have to be them, you just have to be you.

If you see a little mistake that bothered you, mention it. If it
really is a mistake the author will probably try and fix it. Or if
something was worded a little odd, and you can remember specifically
where it is, then mention it, the author will probably appreciate the
help. 

As always, even when you are being critical, try to be polite. Trust
me people who leave reviews that simply say 'Nice!' are appreciated,
and people who have nothing more to say than 'You Suck!' are seen for
the fools they are. But something like "this didn't work for me
because..." is fair, contructive, and welcome criticism.

As an author I really can take criticism, if it's fair and honest, and
backed up by intelligent observation. I had one reviewer who read
everything I wrote, sometimes leaving chapter by chapter criticism
(and that in itself is an honor) and he criticized it strongly. 

Well, I admit I have a few bad habits, and I didn't have a beta
reader, so it was probably deserved. Then he read another of my
stories, and while he still criticized my basic form and structure,
but he like that story, and THAT WAS A GREAT REVIEW. Since he was very
critical of all my work for him to be moderately impressed by that one
story ('Brothers') was a thrill.

So, really a review doesn't have to be a big complex techincal
analysis, it's just your opinion, feel free to express it.


For my published works-

-The milder writings at FanFiction.net-
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/173864/

A slight gay bent, but nothing usual and a couple of very nice general
stories. Some stories so mild I let my mother read them.


-My Personal Website - all the mild stuff that also appears at
FanFiction.net and the more extreme ADULT very gay bent (or twisted)
stories. 

For reference, I'm a strong Harry/Ron shipper with an occassional
taste for Harry/Draco. Many of these are works in progress upon which
I'm making very little progress.
http://www.homestead.com/BBoySlash/files/warnslash.html

On my personal site, all stories are CLEARLY rated, and to some
extent, for your protection, over-rated, and summarised.

The first 6 stories listed are part of the "Awakening" series which is
complete and although very slashy, is still a good read, as well as an
interesting take on how Harry and Ron might accidently end up together.

The next three chapters (7,8,9) follow the first 6 in time, but really
aren't an extention of the same 'Awakening' story. By the time these
occur Harry is very much Awakened. "Brother" is a story that I am
expeically fond of, only very very slightly slashy, and this is the
one my greatest critic liked. "Of these three, "The Tower" is an odd
but sexy take on Draco, although I admit the writing isn't very smooth.

"Friend to Fame" and "The Chess Club" are also a couple of my
favorites and are general, and generally good, stories, although a
good beta wouldn't hurt.

"Dragon's Breath" is a deep and short writing excersice on the inner
landscape of Harry and Draco.

"Respect" is a very fun, slightly unbelievable tale in which I manage
to get the Dursleys into Diagon Alley (really!), as improbably as it
seems, it's a fun story. Again, it could us a beta reader.

"Ginger Ale King" isn't a deep story, it's what I call a
day-in-the-life, and the whole story is really based around the waiter
calling Ron a queen (of sorts).

The Novel "Coming Home" is half my written work, currently at 53
chapters with many of those chapters written in several parts. This
represents about half the story I have to tell in this novel. I'm told
this is a heart wrenching tale.

-"A Novel: Coming Home - Grace, Loss, Love, and Redemption."-
'Story of searching for all the right things in all the wrong place. A
tragedy with it's foundation in child abuse. A story of love and
affection, heartache and joy, damnation and redemption, fear and
courage, a fallen angel, and lots of sex.'

"The Cavern" is a somewhat unlikely story in which Harry lures Draco
into a trap; a hot sweaty naked naughty sexy trap. Also, WIP and about
a third to a half finished. This also provides an opportunity for
Harry to show Draco the err of his ways, and how hopeless the
Voldemort cause is. Part of this is an excersize in multiple viewpoints.

Side Note: on my personal page, the links to [Reviews] no longer
works. But somewhere in the mess is my email address.

My writer's name is BoyBlue, and my personal sites email address is
Asian_lovr2 at Yahoo. I would appreciate reviews, but remember the
[Review] link on my personal site doesn't work, so email only.

Steve/bboyminn

My homepage-
http://www.homestead.com/asian_lovr/files/index.html





From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Jun  9 20:54:53 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:54:53 -0000
Subject: Egg on my Face Re: A Word on Reviews
Message-ID: <d8aaat+31qg@eGroups.com>

Thank you to the several people who have kindly pointed out on the
group list or in email that "Sherlock Holmes" is the correct spelling,
not Shirlock when I submitted my 'commentary' on Reviews yesterday.
In the example I gave--I made the same mistake I made in my fic, and
spelled it incorrectly; I want to spell it Shirlock in my head, because
it sounds like the name "Shirley". *embarrassed* At any rate I WAS
very grateful to my reviewer who gave me the correct spelling (the
word only occurs once, thank goodness!) and the material point about
the reviews issue remains the same.

Several people have asked me/suggested that this be posted among other
fanfiction groups and sites as well to promote understanding of why
reviews are so valued by the majority of fanfic writers. You have my
permission to share it anywhere you feel it would be useful, though I
would appreciate if you would correct the "Sherlock" issue (sheepish
grin), and let me know you are using it.

Sincerely,
Shanti





From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Thu Jun  9 21:14:01 2005
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:14:01 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
In-Reply-To: <d8a4rm+7hmv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8abep+ustv@eGroups.com>


> Sheryll wrote:
> > I take it Alan Rickman was unavailable to join the
> > party?

Mary Ann:
> Weelll, he was going to..until I mentioned the loincloth.

LOL!  With this bunch, he should have considered himself lucky he 
was getting to wear *that* much! :-D

Happy birthday, Sheryll, and happy birthday, Melody!!  (How did I
not know you two had the same b-day?? <g>)  Hope you both have the
fantastic day you both deserve!

--Kelley, wandering off thinking about loincloths... ;-)








From dzny72 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 21:18:57 2005
From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:18:57 -0000
Subject: Question about fanfics
Message-ID: <d8abo1+eqpc@eGroups.com>

I just read the posts on reviewing fanfics, and I decided that I 
finally needed the answers to a few questions.  I just recently began 
reading fanfics, just b/c I can's stand the wait until HBP.  Anyway, as 
I am going through trying to decide which ones to read, I am coming 
across a "code", so to speak, and I am not sure where to look for a  
translation.  What does AU mean? And what is a WIP?  And what 
is "slash"?  If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it.  Also, 
if there are any other of these types of abbreviations that I did not 
list, the answers would be great, b/c I am sure I will come across them 
sooner or later.

Thanks!!





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun  9 21:30:58 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:30:58 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question about fanfics
References: <d8abo1+eqpc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c56d3a$879448a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

<What does AU mean?>

Alternate Universe.  Sometimes applied
to stories that are 'way out there"
(Harry and company as muggles in a
modern high school setting, Harry and
co as prince/princesses in a kingdom
Far, Far Away, ect).  This is also
sometimes applied to stories that spin
far away from current cannon but are
still within the 'world' of Harry
Potter, but generally the first
explanation is the common one.

<And what is a WIP?>

Work in Progress.  Meaning as you're
reading it, the author is still writing
it.  If you're willing to wait for the
next chapter, it's often a great way to
find fun fics and get involved in the
writing process as I know many authors
who take what reviewers say and use
that during their writings.

<And what is "slash"? >

A story where the main romantic couple
is homosexual (as in Harry with Draco
or Hermione with Ginny).  Can range
from explicit, to simply mentions of
the main couple dating (married/living
together) with very little interaction
between them.  So called because of the
/ mark commonly used to separate
character in a pairing.

Some other terms you might run across:

PWP: "Plot, what plot?" (also called
"Porn without plot") by some.  Often
used for fics that are sexual in nature
that focus' just on the act, it's also
used for short, tiny works that have no
real plot but are just fun to read.

One-shot: No this does not mean you
need a shot of liquor before it, it
just means it's a short, one chapter
piece.

Song fic: A fanfiction done to music.
If it's well written the "music" will
be background, like in the movies for
example.  Just a fic enchanced.

Het: Heterosexual couple for the main
pairing.

Gen: General pairings...meaning romance
is a secondary or non issue.

That's all I can think of at the
moment.  Depending on what you're
reading there are other terms that are
rating specific, such as those that are
for more...adult situations.

Happy reading.
Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun  9 21:41:06 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:41:06 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
References: <002201c56cf6$d1f3fd30$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <00ed01c56d3b$f216b680$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Sherry wrote:

<Please, send me the URL to the first
chapter of your WIP, and I will be glad
to read it and I will review.>

http://www.schnoogle.com/restrictedsection/fic.php?fic=sch:/authors/saitaina/EOTB01.html

Just so you know, it's slash
(Draco/Neville with other odd pairings)
and minor character centric.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  9 23:36:53 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:36:53 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c56d3b$f216b680$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <00dd01c56d4c$1e6e14c0$0400a8c0@pensive>

That's fine.  I'm registered on the restriction section and I'll be reading
it later this evening.

sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Saitaina
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:41 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews


Sherry wrote:

<Please, send me the URL to the first
chapter of your WIP, and I will be glad
to read it and I will review.>

http://www.schnoogle.com/restrictedsection/fic.php?fic=sch:/authors/saitaina
/EOTB01.html

Just so you know, it's slash
(Draco/Neville with other odd pairings)
and minor character centric.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 00:01:58 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:01:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A very special birthday
In-Reply-To: <d8a4rm+7hmv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050610000158.55638.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Mary Ann <marycloudt at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Sheryll wrote:
> 
> > I take it Alan Rickman was unavailable to join the
> > party?
> 
> Weelll, he was going to..until I mentioned the
> loincloth.
> 
> Sorry about that.
> 
> Mary Ann, wandering off with a nifty mental image ;)
> 
Sheryll:

Darn, you should have just kept quiet until he was
actually *in* the party room, *then* told him about
the loincloth. ;)

I notice you've given Kelley lewd thoughts, too. Good
job! <vbg>

Sheryll, just back from a lovely dinner with
ginger-lemongrass creme brulee for dessert - Mmmmmmmmmmm

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 00:44:40 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:44:40 -0400
Subject: Harry/Snape fic Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Word on Reviews
In-Reply-To: <d8a4re+mfm0@eGroups.com>
References: <1a273840050609064218c36748@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d8a4re+mfm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005060917442cebb447@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/9/05, MsTattersall <cwood at tattersallpub.com> wrote:

> Ye gods, Dina, I wish you'd given warnings about your *post*! I was
> having lunch while I was reading the group today!
> MsTatt
> (Neither a prude nor a homophobe, but jeez-louise!)

Why?  Explicit?  Hm, that small snippet would've barely made it to an
R-rating.  In fact, I found it more a parody of "ooh baby, give it to
me, ride me hard, you big black stallion". {chuckle}  Or was the
warning for Harlequin dialogue while you were eating?

Dina



From editor at texas.net  Fri Jun 10 03:21:27 2005
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:21:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
References: <d8abep+ustv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005301c56d6b$82a978c0$7259aacf@texas.net>

Sheryll wrote:
> > > I take it Alan Rickman was unavailable to join the
> > > party?
>
 Mary Ann:
> > Weelll, he was going to..until I mentioned the loincloth.

Kelley:
> LOL!  With this bunch, he should have considered himself lucky he
> was getting to wear *that* much! :-D

Kelley. *Sheryll* was going to wear the loincloth. We never got around to
describing Alan's outfit....

~Amanda




From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Jun 10 04:43:19 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 04:43:19 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 40
Message-ID: <d8b5p7+26kl@eGroups.com>

Chapter 40: Trouble With Harry has been posted.  

In this chapter we see Harry Potter get a very thorough and well-
deserved tongue-lashing from our beloved Potions Master, though we 
necessarily reach a state of d?tente (love that word?thank my Beta, 
Elaine for bringing it to my attention) by the end.  And Harry has 
to get in a final zing, because Snape has been particularly obtuse 
about some things, and occasionally needs a zing from random places.

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama, 
hurt/comfort. After OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but 
before Half Blood Prince; so AU to that book when it arrives, 
Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in DE activities because 
of his OotP Spy role, a researcher from Ministry offers to aid and 
assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's Master whom 
she knew slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way too 
much plot for those of you who want PWP.) WIP Rated NC-17 for later 
chapters.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page  (see my cute 
family?and my hubby who has not cut his hair since HBP-release date 
was announced, just for me so he can dress as Snape for the book 
party!!  What a guy! /vbg/)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story has been more thoroughly 'polished' at FFN because I find 
it more user friendly to my technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in 
the 'lemons' on AFN. I can't figure out how to `keep' my italics and 
other font-thingies on AFN. Pathetic, I know, but there you are. I 
will also be submitting it to SycophantHex eventually if approved 
there. I'm waiting until it is complete to apply.

I am trying to keep "Author's Notes" at the posting sites to a 
minimum to avoid interrupting the '`flow" of the story.  If you are 
a person who enjoys those sorts of notes and musings, I invite you 
to have a look at my Live Journal account where I will place those 
more detailed notes.  I am "weasleyfan" and anyone can read my 
journal whether you are a `registered user' or not.  

http://www.livejournal.com/users/weasleyfan/

I have saved some interesting links there in my research into 
British wedding customs, and also my links to my two personal 
favorite fan-art Snapes.

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to comment and review.  
I try to respond to everyone personally, but sometimes I do not have 
your return email address.  I save every review I get on my computer 
so I can 'feed my muse' when I'm feeling discouraged, so they do 
mean a great deal, even if I neglect to thank you personally.  
Questions, comments, and corrections are ALWAYS welcome!

Hope you enjoy the chapter,
Shanti





From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 09:02:53 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:02:53 -0000
Subject: Question about fanfics
In-Reply-To: <d8abo1+eqpc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8bkvt+b8ll@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dzny72" <dzny72 at y...> wrote:
> I just read the posts on reviewing fanfics, and I decided that I 
> finally needed the answers to a few questions.  I just recently began 
> reading fanfics, just b/c I can's stand the wait until HBP.  Anyway, as 
> I am going through trying to decide which ones to read, I am coming 
> across a "code", so to speak, and I am not sure where to look for a  
> translation.  What does AU mean? And what is a WIP?  And what 
> is "slash"?  If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it.  Also, 
> if there are any other of these types of abbreviations that I did not 
> list, the answers would be great, b/c I am sure I will come across them 
> sooner or later.
> 
> Thanks!!

catkind: I know just what you mean dzny.

I've been making a collection of such terms at my LJ recently - it's a
bit tongue in cheek, but might help, and any terms anyone has to add
would be greatly appreciated!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/catkind

I think Saitana's explained the most important ones.

ck (reposting to get address right)






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Jun 10 11:53:51 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:53:51 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Question about fanfics
Message-ID: <86.29e194be.2fdad94f@aol.com>

I don't read fanfic but I do know the AU is chemistry for  Gold.


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jun 10 11:56:56 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 04:56:56 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Question about fanfics
References: <86.29e194be.2fdad94f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <019f01c56db3$80da7060$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

<I don't read fanfic but I do know the
AU is chemistry for  Gold.>

....that is a disturbing fact if you
consider my hatred of AU fanfiction
(yet I write it, go figure).

I'm working on my third reading of OoTP
(yes, I've only read it three times
fully) and it's falling apart on me.
Shotty book. And yes I know these two
things have nothing to do with each
other, I'm taking up space so I wasn't
writing a one liner.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Jun 10 11:55:27 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:55:27 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Question about fanfics
Message-ID: <9b.6149c1b9.2fdad9af@aol.com>

And slash is usually a warning for people offended by 'not usual'  couplings. 
Like Adam and Steve.


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 12:05:01 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:05:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
In-Reply-To: <005301c56d6b$82a978c0$7259aacf@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20050610120502.60124.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:

> Sheryll wrote:
> > > > I take it Alan Rickman was unavailable to join
> the
> > > > party?
> >
>  Mary Ann:
> > > Weelll, he was going to..until I mentioned the
> loincloth.
> 
> Kelley:
> > LOL!  With this bunch, he should have considered
> himself lucky he
> > was getting to wear *that* much! :-D
> 
Amanda:
> Kelley. *Sheryll* was going to wear the loincloth.
> We never got around to
> describing Alan's outfit....
> 
Sheryll:
Amanda, you're scaring people! I'm trying to arrange
another party in here for today and you're driving
folks away. ;-)

Sheryll, who promises she won't appear in public in a loincloth

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jun 10 12:05:56 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:05:56 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
References: <20050610120502.60124.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01a801c56db4$c2702f00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Sheryll wrote:

<Sheryll, who promises she won't appear
in public in a loincloth>

Does that mean you're going to show up
naked?  Because if you're not wearing
the loin cloth and no one mentioned a
bra or top....

Saitaina
****
"I like kids in theory...it's the
practice I'm having trouble with."

"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 12:14:13 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:14:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
In-Reply-To: <01a801c56db4$c2702f00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <20050610121414.68662.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>


> Sheryll wrote:
> 
> <Sheryll, who promises she won't appear
> in public in a loincloth>
> 
Saitaina:
> Does that mean you're going to show up
> naked?  Because if you're not wearing
> the loin cloth and no one mentioned a
> bra or top....
> 
Sheryll:

Saitaina, get your mind out of the gutter! Of course I
won't be appearing nekkid. I will be appropriately
clad in elfly attire - a nice floral pillowcase for
summer. :)

Sheryll, thinking it's much too early in the morning
for this kind of talk ;)

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jun 10 12:22:37 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:22:37 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
References: <20050610121414.68662.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01af01c56db7$1740e9a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Sheryll wrote:

<Saitaina, get your mind out of the
gutter!>

But...then where will my mind live?

It LIKES it's gutter.  It's lived there
for many years now. *grins*  And it's
never too early!

Right...I've had a bit too much
caffeine today.  I would go sleep it
off but that would defeat the purpose.

Saitaina
****
"I like kids in theory...it's the
practice I'm having trouble with."

"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 12:38:37 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:38:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Sara and Tabouli!
Message-ID: <20050610123837.72771.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

*assures the party room denizens that she will remain
properly dressed and finished putting up the
decorations*

We have 2 birthdays to celebrate today - Sara and
Tabouli. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list
or directly to Sara at: zorb47 at yahoo.com and to
Tabouli at: tabouli at unite.com.au

I hope you both have wonderful days, filled with fun,
magic and the company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Sara!
Happy Birthday, Tabouli!

*pops out quickly and reappears with cakes and trays
of food*

Come on, everyone, let's help them celebrate!

Sheryll, the properly dressed Birthday Elf ;)

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 13:50:57 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:50:57 -0400
Subject: Explicitness, Fics, and Generations
In-Reply-To: <d8a4re+mfm0@eGroups.com>
References: <1a273840050609064218c36748@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d8a4re+mfm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050610065025c28e8e@mail.gmail.com>

Some may think this post not worksafe, even though I'm typing this at
work, but I'd feel comfortable discussing this with a mature twelve
year old.

First off, apologies to MsTattersall since, at the time of posting, I
did not feel the post to be explicit.  As I stated before, I found the
snippet to be a parody of stereotyping erotica.  This is also not
meant as a slam against the writer of the fic, which is why I did not
supply a link to the fic.  The writer is competent and she has a
fairly good grasp on English and/or her beta reader has done well.

My qualm is that the writer had managed to de-sexualize the intimacy
between two characters by disassociating their sexual body parts.  I
included the phrasing to look at it from an analytical standpoint of
personal and sexual identity.  How I perceived the scene was... as if
their genitalia were separate entities and I know this to be a
critical aspect in writing: when folks--I'm among the guilty--try to
avoid overusing pronouns/proper names and end up with 'floating' body
parts.  I know it's especially problematic for folks describing
characters of the same gender in a single scene.  The ironic thing was
the writer used pronouns but it had the same effect of disassociation
from the 'main body'.

The level of sexual content in "Little Miss Mary" did earn the NC-17
rating but there are moments where the writer doesn't have *Harry*
exploring his sexuality and that included snippet in a previous email
was one instance.

Now, I've been exposed to open thinking via the public because my own
family is religious and can be downright racist and homophobic (e.g.
sometimes, my mom doesn't want me touching her in public because she's
worried folks will think she's a lesbian or my dad rarely talks about
his family background because it might have a Jewish spin, something
he's embarrassed of), but there was a post not too long ago where the
person was asking about opinions on generational preferences in
reading.

I'm in my mid-twenties and I had Sex Education the first year of
junior high (12-13 years old).  As much as US public education has
gone downhill (thanks in part to poor funding), there's another group
that believes the younger generation is capable of more
'sophisticated' thinking.  Recently, Jon Stewart interviewed a guy who
wrote _Everything That's Bad for You is Good_ and how much kids are
actually processing because the complexity of technology has grown,
and as a result, communication and our daily lives require new
knowledge.

>From the Time Machine's (HGW) movie sequence of dresses getting
shorter to Huxley's "Brave New World" theme of children younger than
ten years old exploring their sexuality and it being the embraced
norm, each generation seems aware the subsequent one will probably be
more open to sexuality based on current trends.

Anyway, I felt "Little Miss Mary" was heavily based on Harry exploring
his sexuality and finding his 'identity' but how can he find it via
thinking of sexual organs in separate terms.  Again, I found the
snippet to be... almost clinical in detachment if you *really* think
about it and look past the sensationalism.

Some have theorized the popularity of m/m slash is the manifestation
of repressing female sexuality--offhand, there was even a panel on
misogyny at a slash convention--and with statistics showing more m/m
slash writers are heterosexual females, it's a theory that does give
momentary pause.

Dina



From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 14:09:20 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
In-Reply-To: <20050610121414.68662.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050610140920.5513.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sheryll  wrote:
 
Saitaina, get your mind out of the gutter! Of course I
won't be appearing nekkid. I will be appropriately
clad in elfly attire - a nice floral pillowcase for
summer. :)

Sheryll, thinking it's much too early in the morning
for this kind of talk ;)
 
Lynn:
 
Sorry this is late Sheryll, but here is your birthday present.  A nice set of heat resistant, crush-proof gloves which matches your floral pillowcase.
 
Lynn
(who was so taken with the mental image of Alan Rickman in a loin cloth that she forgot she had a present for Sheryll and she thinks it's never too early to be thinking of Alan Rickman)


 

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 14:20:17 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:20:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Sheryll!  Happy birthday, Melody! (Re: A very special birthday)
In-Reply-To: <20050610140920.5513.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050610142017.74807.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com>

> Lynn:
>  
> Sorry this is late Sheryll, but here is your
> birthday present.  A nice set of heat resistant,
> crush-proof gloves which matches your floral
> pillowcase.
>  
> Lynn
> (who was so taken with the mental image of Alan
> Rickman in a loin cloth that she forgot she had a
> present for Sheryll and she thinks it's never too
> early to be thinking of Alan Rickman)
> 
Sheryll:

*squees with delight over lovely gift*

Oooooh, how did you know that List Elvses sometimes
needs heat-resistant gloves? <vbg>

Thoughts of Alan Rickman in a loincloth do tend to
muddle the mind to other things, don't they? 

Sheryll, clarifying that it was only too early for
Saity to have her mind in the gutter, not for thoughts
of AR!

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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Jun 10 20:31:28 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:31:28 -0000
Subject: Explicitness, Fics, and Generations
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050610065025c28e8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8ctb0+g8vg@eGroups.com>

No apologies necessary, Dina. I wasn't offended, merely taken off 
guard by what to me WAS an explicit passage, since it was quoted out 
of context, and in a venue where the conversation is generally more 
of a PG-13 or gentler nature. I have nothing against literary erotica-
-whatever floats your boat! Just wasn't expecting to see HBO when I 
tuned in the local news, if you know what I mean.

It may surprise you to know I even wrote some slash fanfic of my own 
back in the 70s (which makes me old enough to be your mother) that 
would be tame by today's standards but were positively pornographic 
back then! Lately, I've written a couple of humorous HP fanfics that 
are on MuggleNet. In the spirit of the current thread on reading and 
reviewing... everybody pls r&r!
(Author-search on MuggleNet Fan Fiction for MsTattersall)

Thanks for your consideration. Love ya!
MsTatt


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
> Some may think this post not worksafe, even though I'm typing this 
at
> work, but I'd feel comfortable discussing this with a mature twelve
> year old.
> 
> First off, apologies to MsTattersall since, at the time of posting, 
I
> did not feel the post to be explicit.  As I stated before, I found 
the
> snippet to be a parody of stereotyping erotica.  This is also not
> meant as a slam against the writer of the fic, which is why I did 
not
> supply a link to the fic.  The writer is competent and she has a
> fairly good grasp on English and/or her beta reader has done well.
> 
> My qualm is that the writer had managed to de-sexualize the intimacy
> between two characters by disassociating their sexual body parts.  I
> included the phrasing to look at it from an analytical standpoint of
> personal and sexual identity.  How I perceived the scene was... as 
if
> their genitalia were separate entities and I know this to be a
> critical aspect in writing: when folks--I'm among the guilty--try to
> avoid overusing pronouns/proper names and end up with 'floating' 
body
> parts.  I know it's especially problematic for folks describing
> characters of the same gender in a single scene.  The ironic thing 
was
> the writer used pronouns but it had the same effect of 
disassociation
> from the 'main body'.
> 
> The level of sexual content in "Little Miss Mary" did earn the NC-17
> rating but there are moments where the writer doesn't have *Harry*
> exploring his sexuality and that included snippet in a previous 
email
> was one instance.
> 
> Now, I've been exposed to open thinking via the public because my 
own
> family is religious and can be downright racist and homophobic (e.g.
> sometimes, my mom doesn't want me touching her in public because 
she's
> worried folks will think she's a lesbian or my dad rarely talks 
about
> his family background because it might have a Jewish spin, something
> he's embarrassed of), but there was a post not too long ago where 
the
> person was asking about opinions on generational preferences in
> reading.
> 
> I'm in my mid-twenties and I had Sex Education the first year of
> junior high (12-13 years old).  As much as US public education has
> gone downhill (thanks in part to poor funding), there's another 
group
> that believes the younger generation is capable of more
> 'sophisticated' thinking.  Recently, Jon Stewart interviewed a guy 
who
> wrote _Everything That's Bad for You is Good_ and how much kids are
> actually processing because the complexity of technology has grown,
> and as a result, communication and our daily lives require new
> knowledge.
> 
> From the Time Machine's (HGW) movie sequence of dresses getting
> shorter to Huxley's "Brave New World" theme of children younger than
> ten years old exploring their sexuality and it being the embraced
> norm, each generation seems aware the subsequent one will probably 
be
> more open to sexuality based on current trends.
> 
> Anyway, I felt "Little Miss Mary" was heavily based on Harry 
exploring
> his sexuality and finding his 'identity' but how can he find it via
> thinking of sexual organs in separate terms.  Again, I found the
> snippet to be... almost clinical in detachment if you *really* think
> about it and look past the sensationalism.
> 
> Some have theorized the popularity of m/m slash is the manifestation
> of repressing female sexuality--offhand, there was even a panel on
> misogyny at a slash convention--and with statistics showing more m/m
> slash writers are heterosexual females, it's a theory that does give
> momentary pause.
> 
> Dina





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun 11 03:18:43 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:18:43 -0000
Subject: Bearded-Spock Universe (was:Question about fanfics)
In-Reply-To: <00c101c56d3a$879448a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d8dl6j+3g9d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> <What does AU mean?>
> 
> Alternate Universe.  

Has anyone ever written a fanfic where First-Year Harry accepted the 
Sorting Hat's suggestion and allowed himself be sorted into Slytherin?

  - CMC





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Jun 11 03:22:06 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:22:06 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bearded-Spock Universe (was:Question about fanfics)
References: <d8dl6j+3g9d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <026001c56e34$bf443440$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

CMC wrote:

<Has anyone ever written a fanfic where
First-Year Harry accepted the
Sorting Hat's suggestion and allowed
himself be sorted into Slytherin?>

Ohhh yeah. Several.  Most unfinished.

Saitaina
****
"I like kids in theory...it's the
practice I'm having trouble with."

"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun 11 03:41:25 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:41:25 -0000
Subject: Bearded-Spock Universe (was:Question about fanfics)
In-Reply-To: <026001c56e34$bf443440$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d8dmh5+n014@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> CMC wrote:
> 
> <Has anyone ever written a fanfic where
> First-Year Harry accepted the
> Sorting Hat's suggestion and allowed
> himself be sorted into Slytherin?>
> 
> Ohhh yeah. Several.  Most unfinished.
> 
So are they buried away in some dank and dismal attic, where they must 
fend off mold and spider, or have any of then been formatted in that 
there new-fangled HTML?

  - CMC 





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Jun 11 03:52:23 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:52:23 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bearded-Spock Universe (was:Question about fanfics)
References: <d8dmh5+n014@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <026b01c56e38$fa0b5dc0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

CMC wrote:

<So are they buried away in some dank
and dismal attic, where they must
fend off mold and spider, or have any
of then been formatted in that
there new-fangled HTML?>

Many are posted on FF.N and FA
(fanfiction.net and fictionalley.org).
Can't give you any titles because I
dont' remember them, I just remember
the basic stories.

Saitaina
****
"I like kids in theory...it's the
practice I'm having trouble with."

"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Jun 11 04:09:36 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:09:36 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Publishers
Message-ID: <d8do60+rusa@eGroups.com>

This is likely a question that has been asked and answered before, but
I've been unable to find any information.

Bloomsbury is the publisher of the books in the UK as well as the
original and first publisher of the books.

Bloomsbury has a USA branch.

Since I am ignorant about how publishing works, how was Scholastic
chosen for the US publisher rather than Bloomsbury USA?  For that
matter, Scholastic has a UK branch. So same question applies.

Joe






From ewe2 at 4dot0.net  Sat Jun 11 04:38:36 2005
From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:38:36 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter Publishers
In-Reply-To: <d8do60+rusa@eGroups.com>
References: <d8do60+rusa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050611043836.GE29260@4dot0.net>

On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 04:09:36AM -0000, Joe Bento wrote:
> This is likely a question that has been asked and answered before, but
> I've been unable to find any information.
> 
> Bloomsbury is the publisher of the books in the UK as well as the
> original and first publisher of the books.
> 
> Bloomsbury has a USA branch.
> 
> Since I am ignorant about how publishing works, how was Scholastic
> chosen for the US publisher rather than Bloomsbury USA?  For that
> matter, Scholastic has a UK branch. So same question applies.

*penguin fin breaks the surface*

I believe it was the best deal for the US demographic they could get,
especially since Scholastic has a lock on US primary schools (don't forget the
series is being sold to _children_, not adults). The way literary agents work
is to get the best deal for the USA, the UK market and the world, it rather
improves their commission :) So neither agent nor author would benefit from
selling to a subsidiary. Publishers tend to have subsidiarys in foreign
markets to make both deals and the logistics of publishing cheaper; authors do
make deals with them, but you're going to set your sights higher if half the
world wants your book contract :) Rowling and her agent knocked on a lot of
doors before publishers really took notice.

The real question though, is why the two biggest publishers, Penguin and
HarperCollins, missed out.

*splash*

ewe2

-- 
sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 12 00:18:21 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:18:21 -0000
Subject: FANFIC
Message-ID: <d8fv0d+d6i7@eGroups.com>

Dina reviewed a fanfic in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27526 :

<< My qualm is that the writer had managed to de-sexualize the
intimacy between two characters by disassociating their sexual body
parts. I included the phrasing to look at it from an analytical
standpoint of personal and sexual identity. How I perceived the scene
was... as if their genitalia were separate entities >>

I found that bit of story not at all arousing, which is a whole nother
question: what writing is arousing to what readers why? I don't know
if this list is too PG-13 to hold that discussion here, or that's my
excuse for being prudish... 

But I don't think the problem is that the 'Mary' character speaks as
if their genitalia were separate people. (The first-person narrator
said: "I hit my target again", not "Mr Cock hit his target again.") I
mean, apparently a number of people do that in Real Life as well as in
other literary works which are considered 'hot'. I haven't actually
read LADY CHATTERLEY'S LOVER (and probably wouldn't like it if I did)
but it is famous for dialogue about 'John Thomas' and 'Lady Jane'. 

CMC wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-O
TChatter/message/27530 :

<< Has anyone ever written a fanfic where First-Year Harry accepted
the Sorting Hat's suggestion and allowed himself be sorted into
Slytherin? >>

I read some fanfic back in the days when the HP section ToC on FFN was
only 56 pages long, and one was a 'novel-length' about Slyth!Harry
which IIRC was titled 'Slytherin Pride'. I don't remember if that's
the story in which Harry and Ron met on the train and shared food
without Draco interference, but after Harry was Sorted into Slytherin,
he came face to face with Ron and tried to greet him, but Ron turned
away in disgust from the Slythie. (FFN is http://www.fanfiction.net  )

FictionAlley has forums for recommending fics by character, topics,
etc, so maybe there's one for that sort of AU. FA is at
www.fictionalley.org





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 12 04:02:03 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 12 Jun 2005 04:02:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1118548923.24.94196.m22@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 12, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From marilynpeake at cs.com  Sun Jun 12 04:02:47 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:02:47 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Publishers
In-Reply-To: <20050611043836.GE29260@4dot0.net>
Message-ID: <d8gc57+kfag@eGroups.com>

Hi, "ewe2" and Joe,

I remember seeing J.K. Rowling interviewed on television awhile back; 
and she talked about her early publishing experiences.  She said 
that, after the first Harry Potter book was published in the UK, 
sales were slow; and her publisher or agent (I forget which) told 
her, "Don't give up your day job."  Then someone at Scholastic saw 
the book, loved it, and bid more than Scholastic had ever bid on a 
book before.

Cheers,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewe2 at 4...> wrote:

>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 04:09:36AM -0000, Joe Bento wrote:
>> Since I am ignorant about how publishing works, how was Scholastic
>> chosen for the US publisher rather than Bloomsbury USA?  For that
>> matter, Scholastic has a UK branch. So same question applies.
> 
> I believe it was the best deal for the US demographic they could 
get, especially since Scholastic has a lock on US primary schools 
(don't forget the series is being sold to _children_, not adults). 





From ewe2 at 4dot0.net  Sun Jun 12 05:14:47 2005
From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:14:47 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter Publishers
In-Reply-To: <d8gc57+kfag@eGroups.com>
References: <20050611043836.GE29260@4dot0.net> <d8gc57+kfag@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050612051447.GA23108@4dot0.net>

On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 04:02:47AM -0000, Marilyn Peake wrote:
> Hi, "ewe2" and Joe,
> 
> I remember seeing J.K. Rowling interviewed on television awhile back; 
> and she talked about her early publishing experiences.  She said 
> that, after the first Harry Potter book was published in the UK, 
> sales were slow; and her publisher or agent (I forget which) told 
> her, "Don't give up your day job."  Then someone at Scholastic saw 
> the book, loved it, and bid more than Scholastic had ever bid on a 
> book before.

Heh, I'm half-right as always, but that at least explains the publishing
mystery of why the big companies passed on JKR: they must have thought
Scholastic insane, but they didn't understand children's publishing either.

*splash*

ewe2

-- 
sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me.




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 12 15:02:06 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 12 Jun 2005 15:02:06 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1118588526.13.44802.m24@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 12, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From marilynpeake at cs.com  Sun Jun 12 16:14:33 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:14:33 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Publishers
In-Reply-To: <20050612051447.GA23108@4dot0.net>
Message-ID: <d8hn19+pbua@eGroups.com>

Hi, "ewe2",

I bet there are quite a few publishers kicking themselves (or acting 
like Dobby) over one huge missed opportunity. :)

Best Wishes,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewe2 at 4...> wrote:
> 
>> Heh, I'm half-right as always, but that at least explains the 
publishing mystery of why the big companies passed on JKR: they must 
have thought Scholastic insane, but they didn't understand children's 
publishing either.







From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sun Jun 12 17:05:58 2005
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:05:58 -0000
Subject: Accio 2005 press release: registration coming to an end
Message-ID: <d8hq1m+vqd0@eGroups.com>

Accio 2005 would like to remind you that if you prefer to take part 
in late night bar discussions without that irritating worry 
of 'where was my hotel again?' - the deadline for registering for 
the full weekend, with an on-campus room, is fast approaching. After 
30th June we'll have to ask people to find their own accommodation.

So if you don't want to be looking for a taxi cab when everyone else 
is just telling the painting the password, book now.

Accio 2005 is an unofficial friendly event, bringing together 
academics and adult Harry Potter fans to discuss all aspects of J. 
K. Rowling's Harry Potter books. Planned events include a Grand Jury 
style trial of Snape, workshops, presentations, panels, speeches, 
games, a feast, and the aforesaid informal discussions into the wee 
hours. Remember, this will be your first opportunity to discuss 
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince with fellow fans and 
interested professionals.

Accio 2005, the first Harry Potter conference in the UK, will take 
place at the University of Reading over the weekend of 29 - 31 July, 
2005. For more information, please see our website at 
http://www.accio.org.uk./

Regards,

Ali








From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 12 20:46:52 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:46:52 -0000
Subject: Those were the days...
Message-ID: <d8i6vs+e1be@eGroups.com>

Oh, I remember celebrating the end of exams. Or rather, I don't 
remember much at all...

http://www.cherwell.org/?id=3228






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 12 23:05:58 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:05:58 -0000
Subject: CSI Game (was: Computer problem)
In-Reply-To: <033601c5695d$f636f900$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d8if4m+5dj3@eGroups.com>




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> K wrote:
> 
> <anyone have
> any tips for me on that, I'm stuck on
> level two (can't get 100%, keep
> getting 99%) >
> 
> Have you tried GameFAQs.com?  They have
> walk through's for most PC games.
> 
> In fact, as I don't know which CSI
> you're playing...
> http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/list_c.html
> 
> They have four listed there.
> 
> Other then that I have no idea as I
> don't have the game *pouts*.  It still
> lives on my very long wish list.
> 
> Saitaina
> ****
>Snip<

*****\(@@)/*****

Sorry this took me so long to post, we just got back from vacation 
and I took a look to see what had been going on (seems like quite a 
lot- HBP thefts and all!)

Gamefaqs is a good resource for games but my all around favorite is 

http://www.gameboomers.com/

Gameboomers is hands down the friendliest, most helpful site I have 
used. I believe they have CSI walkthroughs and the forum is 
especially helpful.

Happy gaming

Dudemom_2000 (who got sunburned in the Florida sun and now must 
unpack all her stuff)

*****\(@@)/*****






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 12 23:24:25 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:24:25 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game was  Ender's Shadow - More Heart & Soul
In-Reply-To: <d858eg+mg2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8ig79+ufdq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> I just finished reading "Ender's Shadow" by Orson Scott Card which 
is the parallel book to "Ender's Game". By that I mean it's the same
> story told from the perspective of two different participants 
(Ender and Bean).
> 
> Once again, we have a stunning book with tremendous heart and 
soul. If you haven't read these first two books in the Ender's 
series, then you are missing out. Especially since these books are 
somwhat old and can be purchased in paperback for very little money. 
I promise you, you will never find a more productive, rewarding, and 
entertaining way to spend that money.
> 
> I really like this book, but it didn't appeal to be as much 
as 'Enders Game'. Perhaps because it was anti-climactic since I knew 
the ending.
>Snip< 
> Steve/bboymin

*****\(@@)/*****

When we travel we usually use books on CD enroute and have enjoyed 
many great books (all of the HP of course!) This trip I looked for 
books to take and found Ender's Game on CD. It is a special 20th 
anniversary edition read by Stefan Rudnicki, Harlan Ellison and 
others in the cast(Orson Scott Card says he has a role too). The 
last disk has an interview where Orson Scott Card discusses writing 
this book and he is also trying to get it made into a movie (whoo 
hoo!) 

Overall it is an absolutely stunning production and we were just 
spellbound by it! I so highly recommend this audio CD to anyone who 
loved this book.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 03:28:24 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:28:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Jim!
Message-ID: <20050613032824.86012.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

*tiptoes in, blowing up balloons with one hand and
hanging streamers with the other*

Hey, I'm getting pretty good with this decorating
thing!

Today's birthday honouree (and, yes, I know I'm
cutting it close tonight) is Jim Flanagan. Birthday
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Jim
at jflanagan1 at nc.rr.com

I hope you've had a magical day, filled with
everything wonderful.

Happy Birthday, Jim!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 



From hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 13 14:13:32 2005
From: hpfgu_elves at yahoo.co.uk (hpfgu_elves)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:13:32 -0000
Subject: Moved from HPfGU Main:  HBP Midnight Party
Message-ID: <d8k4ac+ded2@eGroups.com>

130572
From: "juli17ptf" <juli17 at aol.com> 
Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  12:28 am 
Subject: HBP midnight parties  juli17ptf 


I was thinking about attending one of the HBP midnight parties on July
15/16, and was wondering if any HPfGU members might be in my area
attending the same party. It then occurred to me that maybe we should
start a file or something (pardon my ignorance about what might be the
best method!) where everyone can list where they expect to attend an
HBP midnight party. Then we can all peruse it and find out if any
member will be in our area. It might be a great way for members to 
meet
their HPfGU neighbors and talk about HP while waiting anxiously for
midnight to toll!

If this has been suggested, or something similar has been done for
previous HP book releases, again pardon my ignorance. It would have
been before I found this wonderful group.

Any thoughts?

Julie 

***************************

130573
From: fuzzlebub85 at aol.com 
Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  12:45 am 
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] HBP midnight parties  fuzzlebub85 


I was thinking about attending one of the HBP midnight parties on July
15/16, and was wondering if any HPfGU members might be in my area
attending the same party. It then occurred to me that maybe we should
start a file or something (pardon my ignorance about what might be the
best method!) where everyone can list where they expect to attend an
HBP midnight party. Then we can all peruse it and find out if any
member will be in our area. It might be a great way for members to 
meet
their HPfGU neighbors and talk about HP while waiting anxiously for
midnight to toll!

If this has been suggested, or something similar has been done for
previous HP book releases, again pardon my ignorance. It would have
been before I found this wonderful group.

Any thoughts?

Julie

Kaylee here:

As I told you, Julie *grin* I'm in San Jose, so I'm attending the 
party
there (pity you're not) If any of our esteemed HP4GU members shall be 
in SJ, CA

around this time...please, let's be able to meet each other! *grins 
more*

Cheers,

Kaylee Tonks-Lupin!
 
**********************************

130579
From: MadameSSnape at aol.com 
Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  3:46 am 
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] HBP midnight parties  sherrieanne1863 



In a message dated 6/12/2005 7:29:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
juli17 at aol.com writes:

I was thinking about attending one of the HBP midnight parties on July
15/16, and was wondering if any HPfGU members might be in my area
attending the same party.


Sherrie here:

Not sure where you are, but I should be at the party at Borders in
Wappingers Falls, New York. (I'd have preferred to go to B&N, but 
they were
dilatory
in announcing their party, and I didn't really want to wait.) I'll be 
the
one walking about with a distracted look on her face, trying to work 
out
blocking for GODSPELL!!! <g>

Sherrie
 
*********************************

130581
From: Katherine Coble <k.coble at comcast.net> 
Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  2:01 am 
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] HBP midnight parties  mycropht33 


On Jun 12, 2005, at 6:28 PM, juli17ptf wrote:

> I was thinking about attending one of the HBP midnight parties on 
July
> 15/16, and was wondering if any HPfGU members might be in my area
> attending the same party. It then occurred to me that maybe we 
should
> start a file or something (pardon my ignorance about what might be 
the
> best method!)

> If this has been suggested, or something similar has been done for
> previous HP book releases, again pardon my ignorance. It would have
> been before I found this wonderful group.
>
>


K:

We did something like this with TORN for the line parties for each
movie. I think it's a wonderful idea. List elves? Anyone up for
this?


Katherine

********************************

130586
From: Rebecca Sylvester <gypseelynn at yahoo.com> 
Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  5:20 am 
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] HBP midnight parties  gypseelynn 


**Jumps up and down** Just thinking about the 15/16th is driving me 
INSANE!!
Anywhoo, I'm in Pueblo, CO and will be at the Barnes party if anyone 
else will
be there let's meet!!

Beckah
 






From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 14:32:43 2005
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ender's Game was Ender's Shadow - More Heart & Soul
In-Reply-To: <1118662748.237.93650.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050613143243.2927.qmail@web51707.mail.yahoo.com>


Dudemom:

The last disk has an interview where Orson Scott Card discusses writing 
this book and he is also trying to get it made into a movie (whoo 
hoo!) 


Me: 

Orson Scott Card has a website where he writes essays and posts updates about his books and other events.  Information about the movie is on there!

www.hatrack.com 

Enjoy!

Christine

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From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Mon Jun 13 16:32:50 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:32:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ender's Game was Ender's Shadow - More Heart &
 Soul
In-Reply-To: <20050613143243.2927.qmail@web51707.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050613143243.2927.qmail@web51707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <94ca4848751b417deb4a093c4da7faac@fandm.edu>

Christine:
> Orson Scott Card has a website where he writes essays and posts 
> updates about his books and other events.  Information about the movie 
> is on there!
>
> www.hatrack.com

If you search his site for "Harry Potter", you will also find a number 
of articles he's written on the subject.

Quote:
"So when you hear someone sneer at the Harry Potter books, either they 
haven't read them, and are therefore too ignorant to be listened to, or 
they haven't understood them, and are therefore not clever enough to 
take part in serious adult conversations."

^_^

Laura
http://www.livejournal.com/users/laurahuntley




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 18:24:03 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:24:03 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card & Harry Potter -WOW!
In-Reply-To: <94ca4848751b417deb4a093c4da7faac@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <d8kj03+qcic@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Laura Ingalls Huntley
<lhuntley at f...> wrote:
> Christine:
> > Orson Scott Card has a website where he writes essays and posts 
> > updates about his books and other events. I
> >
> > www.hatrack.com


> Laura adds:
> If you search his site for "Harry Potter", you will also find a 
> number of articles he's written on the subject.
> 
> Quote:
> "So when you hear someone sneer at the Harry Potter books, either
> they haven't read them, and are therefore too ignorant to be 
> listened to, or they haven't understood them, and are therefore not 
> clever enough to take part in serious adult conversations."
> 
> ^_^
> 
> Laura


bboyminn:

WOW! Orson Scott Card does have several essays on Harry Potter and
JKR, and he holds her and her books in very high regard. These really
are great essays for any Harry Potter fan.

Let me add a few more quotes to encourage you to go to -

http://www.hatrack.com/

and read.


" And those who sneer at these books as sub-literary are just as
dim-witted as the people who warn that Harry Potter is promoting
witchcraft and satanism."


"Unlike Pokemon or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Harry Potter
movement is reader-driven. Kids who thought they hated to read because
they had hated everything anybody tried to make them read in school
suddenly became avid readers of big thick books that were
extraordinarily demanding, not just in vocabulary and syntax and
culture, but in moral reasoning and character development."


I especially like this little tidbit -

"In fact, one can make a good case for the idea that children are
often the guardians of the truly great literature of the world, for in
their love of story and unconcern for stylistic fads and literary
tricks, children unerringly gravitate toward truth and power."


Simply enter "Harry Potter" on the Search line and a long list of
essays will appear.

Highly recommended.

Steve/bboyminn






From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Jun 13 19:07:16 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:07:16 -0000
Subject: Orson Scott Card & Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <d8kj03+qcic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8klh4+h4jk@eGroups.com>


"Unlike Pokemon or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Harry Potter
movement is reader-driven. Kids who thought they hated to read because
they had hated everything anybody tried to make them read in school
suddenly became avid readers of big thick books that were
extraordinarily demanding, not just in vocabulary and syntax and
culture, but in moral reasoning and character development."

Isn't this what I have been saying for ages (although,it has to be 
said, slightly more eloquently than yours truly).  But it's not just 
kids - its adults like me too who would have never picked up a book the 
size of GoF or OotP.  JKR has truly opened a new window on the world 
for me, and now I can't get enough.   Thank you Jo.
Sarah xx





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 19:54:05 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:54:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Theresa!
Message-ID: <20050613195405.4945.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com>

*tidies up the mess from the last party, checking
decorations and blowing up new balloons*

It's just one party after another around here, isn't
it? :)

Today's birthday honouree is Theresa. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to Theresa
at: ANMSMOM333 at cox.net

I hope you're having a day full of joy and magic.

Happy Birthday, Theresa!

*pops out quickly to get cake and snacks to satisfy
hungry party-goers*

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From joanegandy at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 20:22:26 2005
From: joanegandy at yahoo.com (joanegandy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:22:26 -0000
Subject: Looking for sources
Message-ID: <d8kpu2+7htm@eGroups.com>

I am a huge Harry Potter fan who happens to be interning at the Denver 
Post. I am looking for other adult Harry Potter fans in the Denver area 
to interveiw for a story on why adults are so interested in these 
books. If anyone would like to talk to me please send an email with 
contact info to jgandy at denverpost.com






From lorelei3dg at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 23:42:57 2005
From: lorelei3dg at yahoo.com (lorelei3dg)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:42:57 -0000
Subject: Moved from HPfGU Main:  HBP Midnight Party
In-Reply-To: <d8k4ac+ded2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8l5m1+6j3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "hpfgu_elves" 
<hpfgu_elves at y...> wrote:
> 130572
> From: "juli17ptf" <juli17 at a...> 
> Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  12:28 am 
> Subject: HBP midnight parties  juli17ptf 
> 
> 
> I was thinking about attending one of the HBP midnight parties on 
July
> 15/16, and was wondering if any HPfGU members might be in my area
> attending the same party. It then occurred to me that maybe we 
should
> start a file or something (pardon my ignorance about what might be 
the
> best method!) where everyone can list where they expect to attend an
> HBP midnight party. Then we can all peruse it and find out if any
> member will be in our area. It might be a great way for members to 
> meet
> their HPfGU neighbors and talk about HP while waiting anxiously for
> midnight to toll!

<snip>

> Any thoughts?
> 
> Julie 
> 
> ***************************

I'd be happy to share a table with anyone planning to be at Borders 
in Carousel Center in Syracuse, NY - just e-mail me and I'll look for 
you! 








From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 14 03:12:51 2005
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:12:51 -0000
Subject: Moved from HPfGU Main:  HBP Midnight Party
In-Reply-To: <d8l5m1+6j3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8lhvj+tpv1@eGroups.com>

The Leaky Cauldron has a list of parties linked to their site.  It is 
calles "Potter Parties".  If you click the link, it takes you to a 
page that lists the parties by state.  Hope this helps. I will be 
sleeping so my eyes will be well rested to read the new tome when it 
hits my doorstep!...oh, and 'cause I haven't seen any parties listed 
near me... :(

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lorelei3dg" 
<lorelei3dg at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "hpfgu_elves" 
> <hpfgu_elves at y...> wrote:
> > 130572
> > From: "juli17ptf" <juli17 at a...> 
> > Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  12:28 am 
> > Subject: HBP midnight parties  juli17ptf 
> > 
> > 
> > I was thinking about attending one of the HBP midnight parties on 
> July
> > 15/16, and was wondering if any HPfGU members might be in my area
> > attending the same party. It then occurred to me that maybe we 
> should
> > start a file or something (pardon my ignorance about what might 
be 
> the
> > best method!) where everyone can list where they expect to attend 
an
> > HBP midnight party. Then we can all peruse it and find out if any
> > member will be in our area. It might be a great way for members 
to 
> > meet
> > their HPfGU neighbors and talk about HP while waiting anxiously 
for
> > midnight to toll!
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Any thoughts?
> > 
> > Julie 
> > 
> > ***************************
> 
> I'd be happy to share a table with anyone planning to be at Borders 
> in Carousel Center in Syracuse, NY - just e-mail me and I'll look 
for 
> you!





From PenapartElf at aol.com  Tue Jun 14 08:07:17 2005
From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:07:17 EDT
Subject: HPfGU's regional groups
Message-ID: <1d8.3ed71381.2fdfea35@aol.com>

Sometimes, ether is just not enough...  <g>

If you are looking for kindred souls near you, please do 
join our various regional groups.  You can find the list of 
them on our Portkey ( http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/P.html ) 
and also in the Links section at the Main list 
( 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/links/Regional_HPfGU_Lists_000999973547 ).

:) Penapart Elf



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 12:38:59 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:38:59 -0400
Subject: My bookmarks file went 'poof'
Message-ID: <1a27384005061405386ccc6a54@mail.gmail.com>

Don't'cha just hate when your web browser nukes your bookmark file?

{sigh}  Unfortunately, the last back-up I made of the file was back in
November 2004 and my history file only covers the last thirty days. 
Not a complete bust but still... My bad for not backing up more often.

Some stuff will be salvageable while others won't.

Dina



From chnc1024 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 14 13:52:20 2005
From: chnc1024 at earthlink.net (Chancie )
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:52:20 -0700
Subject: Riddle Me This....
Message-ID: <410-220056214135220812@earthlink.net>

HI,, I'm sure all of you who visit Muggle Net know that they
are having a Contest for a free copy of "The Plot Thickens"
and I must say I can't figure it out.  I'm not so much worried 
about entering the contest (which he says is only open to 
US residents because of the cost of over sea shipping fees)
I just want to figure out the answer (I'm fairly sure there 
have already been 20 people with the right answer-which 
is the limit), and I thought some of you might like to work 
on it too, so that we can perhaps waste some time waiting 
for July 15/16 to get here.  

I've posted some of the info from the site below, and 
have also included a link for anyone who wants
to read this, or the essay he has on Snape, it's 
fairly short, and he's said that there are additional
clues in the post.  If you want to go straight to the 
riddle, then it's at the very bottom of the post.

Here it is:

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/thephoenixfiles/tpf10.shtml
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
First, in appreciation of you, my loyal readers, I am 
happy to announce that there is a riddle/scavenger
hunt competition in this File! The first twenty people 
to e-mail me at christopherstephened at hotmail dot 
com with the correct answer (it should be two words, 
please, and the title of your e-mail should say 
COMPETITION ENTRY) will be e-mailed a new riddle. 
The first ten correct replies will then be placed into 
a random drawing for a free copy of The Plot Thickens?
Harry Potter Investigated by Fans for Fans produced 
by Wizarding World Press (WWP), edited by Galadriel 
Waters, and written by members of MuggleNet?s CoS 
and New Clues Forums! 

I must warn you, however; the riddle will not be easy 
since only the first twenty correct answers will be 
considered. Like Jo, I have written the riddle to contain 
blatant clues that will lead you straight to the 
conclusion (properly buried, of course) along with 
more obvious but tougher clues and even a few total 
red herrings. Keep at it; you probably won't get it on 
the first (or even second or third) reading. 

I shall say this much: it is possible for clues to be 
found throughout the File as well as in the riddle, you 
may need to use certain clues and results in 
combinations, and it is not necessary for you to 
solve every clue in order to reach the correct answer. 
Unfortunately, the competition is only open to those 
in the U.S. (mainly because we don't want to have to 
pay international shipping, but also because many of 
the clues, including the correct answer, are aimed 
toward those who live in the U.S.) 

<snip>

The first clue follows at the end of this segment. The 
clues, riddles, and answer(s) may or may not be 
Harry Potter-related. You should be able to get the correct 
answer without any further information from me. If twenty 
people do not get it after a couple days, an additional stanza 
will be added, which will definitely help (but still be difficult!). 
Good luck!!! 

<Snip Snape File>

Oh, and as promised, the hints for the contest (in limerick form!): 
Ar ya ready for this special quest?
At end there is an old treasure chest!
Not full of fool?s gold,
Shiny, hard, and cold;
But a book, mateys, and them?s by far the best! 

To solve the riddle, put your THINK CAPS on.
The name of God may help you if called upon.
Each clue gives another,
Another, an other;
And all of them leave you confused as Ron. 

Ar, now you're coming along quite well,
It'll all be over after this short spell.
A ?paper? or ?stand?
Will help hold your hand,
And bring you closer to being quite swell. 

So follow yer instructions to the T.
Ar, no one knows more words than he.
In the music we wrote,
We marked a grace note,
Now yer job: tell me who the winner B. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well, there you have it.  Anyone interested
in taking a stab at it?

Chancie

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 14 14:42:43 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:42:43 -0000
Subject: My bookmarks file went 'poof'
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005061405386ccc6a54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8mqd3+l6c2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...>
wrote:
> Don't'cha just hate when your web browser nukes your bookmark file?
> 
> {sigh}  Unfortunately, the last back-up I made of the file was back in
> November 2004 and my history file only covers the last thirty days. 
> Not a complete bust but still... My bad for not backing up more often.
> 
> Some stuff will be salvageable while others won't.
> 
> Dina

bboyminn:

On the off chance that you were using Netscape, Mozilla, or Foxfire
browser, you book marks are kept in a file called 'bookmarks.html'.

If you search your harddrive, you may be able to find a back-up or
older copy of the file. Keep in mind that other programs sometime use
a similarly named file, but the Folder where you find this bookmark
file should tell you if it's related to your browser.

Steve - who highly recommend that you do NOT use MS-Internet Explorer
for your browser or for your email.





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 15:24:20 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:24:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: My bookmarks file went 'poof'
In-Reply-To: <d8mqd3+l6c2@eGroups.com>
References: <1a27384005061405386ccc6a54@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d8mqd3+l6c2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050614082473ca0f33@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/14/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> On the off chance that you were using Netscape, Mozilla, or Foxfire
> browser, you book marks are kept in a file called 'bookmarks.html'.
> 
> If you search your harddrive, you may be able to find a back-up or
> older copy of the file. Keep in mind that other programs sometime use
> a similarly named file, but the Folder where you find this bookmark
> file should tell you if it's related to your browser.

Actually, I was using Firefox.  The default one in the program folder
isn't useful (y'know, the one that pops up upon installing with
various search engine links).  I went to windows/applications/mozilla
and found my user (the default under there) and both the
bookmarks.html and bookmarks.bak are 423byte files (essentially
completely empty), went through the cache and nothing, searched my
harddrive for 'bookmark' and all the wrong files that were too old or
empty popped up, and... I had to resort to MozBack-up for my November
2004 bookmarks.  I did back-up my user folder before restoring the old
file but I believe my bookmark file is gone.

Good way to start off the morning and I had to dash to work not long
after.  Firefox crashed but I had an 'auto save' open tabs going on. 
When the tabs reopened, all my bookmarks were gone.  I had that 'save
open tabs' extension for many months and hadn't had a problem and I
had not added on any other extensions within the past two months.

Thanks for the suggestions, anyway.

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Jun 14 18:22:31 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:22:31 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Riddle Me This....
References: <410-220056214135220812@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00b801c5710e$0865d760$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Beethoven

And I misspelled that but that is my
guess.

Saitaina
****
"I like kids in theory...it's the
practice I'm having trouble with."

"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 15 04:31:04 2005
From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:31:04 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game
Message-ID: <d8oau8+66ih@eGroups.com>

I just finished reading "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card.  Thank 
you so much for recommending it.  Wow!  I won't say anything so I 
don't spoil it, other than to state the obvious children hero 
similarities.  I would advise that if anyone starts the book that you 
stay for the finish.

The author made a statement in the introduction that rang so true for 
me I almost had to cheer.  He says:


"Why else do we read fiction, anyway?  Not to be impressed by 
somebody's dazzling language - or at least I hope that's not our 
reason.  I think that most of us, anyway, read these stories that we 
know are not "true" because we're hungry for another kind of truth:  
The mythic truth about human nature in general, the particular truth 
about those life-communities that define our own identity, and the 
most specific truth of all:  our own self-story.  Fiction, because it 
is not about somebody who actually lived in the real world, always 
has the possibility of being about ourself."      -   Orson Scott Card


So many people I know refuse to read fiction.  They act like it's so 
beneath them.  So childish.  Especially books like "Harry Potter" 
or "Ender's Game".  I've always thought that fiction can talk about 
subjects that no other art form or media can deal with.  Feelings and 
motives, why people do the things they do, how they think.

I also think every book is a little different to each person.  Orson 
Scott Card goes on later in the introduction to say:


"The story itself, the true story, is the one that the audience 
members create in their minds, guided and shaped by my text, but then 
transformed, elucidated, expanded, edited, and clarified by their own 
experience, their own desires, their own hopes and fears."


That must be why movies seldom are as good as the books.  I find I 
have to go to a movie, such as the Harry Potter movies, several times 
before I can accept the directors/producers/script writers version of 
things.

I feel soooo sorry for people who don't read fiction.  They have no 
idea what they are missing.

Bonnie








From seuferer at netins.net  Wed Jun 15 06:50:12 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:50:12 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 41: Wishful Thinking posted
Message-ID: <d8oj34+f716@eGroups.com>

A short chapter to give Severus and Rowena a chance to discuss some 
of the minor `loose ends' as we get close to the end of the school 
year.  Rowena discovers the truth about what happened at Severus' 
last DE meeting, and Severus discovers that he has, at some point, 
developed the distasteful capacity for `wishful thinking'.

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama, 
hurt/comfort. After OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but 
before Half Blood Prince; so AU to that book when it arrives.  
Voldemort is out in the open, Snape is involved in DE activities 
because of his OotP Spy role.  A researcher from Ministry offers to 
aid and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's 
Master whom she knew slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth 
plot. (Way too much plot for those of you who want PWP.) WIP Rated 
NC-17 for later chapters.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page (see my cute 
family?and my hubby who has not cut his hair since HBP-release date 
was announced, just for me so he can dress as Snape for the book 
party!! What a guy! /vbg/)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story has been more thoroughly 'polished' at FFN because I find 
it more user friendly to my technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in 
the 'lemons' on AFN. 

One of my delightful List Sisters from GotSnape Yahoo Group (among 
others) has told me how to fix those font-thingies on AFN, Yay 
Zee!!  I will be going back and doing that as soon as I have time, 
but my focus at this point is getting the story done before HBP 
comes out. Heh.

If you want to read my chapter notes, comments, or my replies back 
to people who have been kind enough to leave me reviews, you can 
find those on my LiveJournal page.  I am `weasleyfan'.  Anyone may 
view my journal.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/weasleyfan/

Hope you enjoy the Chapter!
Shanti





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 15 12:45:15 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:45:15 -0000
Subject: NBC Today Show Interview with JKR - When???
Message-ID: <d8p7sr+p61v@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know when the interview with JKR is going to be?  I thought 
it was today, but it isn't. Now they say *next month*.  I am not 
normally up at this hour. I will go to the NBC site and search. Maybe I 
got my months mixed up, someone told me it was today, but it isn't.

Tonks_op






From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed Jun 15 15:03:58 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:03:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPOILER:  Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <d8oau8+66ih@eGroups.com>
References: <d8oau8+66ih@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <894cae35dfd7981f2db7e42dc0be1241@fandm.edu>

Do NOT read this post if you haven't yet read Ender's Game by Orson 
Scott Card.

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Consider yourself fairly warned.

I read Ender's Game last night (got it in the mail at mid-afternoon, 
but was unable to start it until the evening because of work *frowns*). 
  The first thing I have to say: I *loved* this book.  I've read a 
couple of books by Card before, and they were all engaging and 
entertaining, but Ender's Game is in an entirely different class, IMO.

Regrettably, I guessed the game quite early on, which was really, 
really unfortunate, because now I will never be able to experience it 
on the level of not-knowing.  However, I was happy to find that story 
was strong enough to be deeply satisfying even when one knows the 
"twist".  Kudos to Card for that -- too many writers who have a good 
twist rely on it too heavily to "make" their story (the Sixth Sense is 
a well-known example of this).

I really only have two major criticisms of the book, the first being 
the way in which the ending was written.  Just when I wanted to be 
inside Ender's head the most, to find out just how damaged he was and 
whether he could be healed and how he was going to cope -- at that very 
point, suddenly Card takes us completely *out* of his head, out of the 
human story, and sweeps up all his loose ends so fast and at such a 
*distance* it made my head spin.  NOT a satisfying ending.  I'm hoping 
that the sequels will remedy this problem.

My other criticism is something I almost feel too sheepish to bring up, 
but here goes anyway.  See, often much is made of the way girls 
gravitate towards fantasy, while boys supposedly prefer science 
fiction.  My theory on this is that both genres offer an appealing 
suspense of RL rules -- magic/technology/genetic 
manipulation/whathaveyou can make children as powerful and as dangerous 
as adults, can allow a hero to succeed where armies have failed, etc.  
Yet, in science fiction (and much less so in fantasy), these "special 
rules" almost never apply to girls.  Even though the author has created 
a world in which there is no reason why girls should still be 
second-class fighters and thinkers, they almost always are, sometimes 
to an even greater extent than in RL.

In Ender's Game, Card argues that females has "too many years of 
evolution working against them" (that's a paraphrase, I haven't got the 
book with me).  However, what do his kids really do that a girl would 
be naturally less equipped to handle?  The only training the "soldiers" 
undergo in which physical strength might be an advantage is the Battle 
Room, but they graduate onto strictly non-physical training before 
puberty begins -- before the boys develop any appreciable physical 
advantage.

So what is Card saying, exactly, when he says that evolution is working 
against girls to make them less capable soldiers?  The only thing he 
*can* be saying, given the framework of the story, is that girls are 
*mentally* inferior when it comes to strategizing, commanding, 
attacking, holding up under pressure, etc.  Indeed, Ender's only female 
"toon leader", despite the fact that she is one of the better fighters, 
is still the only one of his kids to "break" under the stress.  
Typical.  Girls aren't just lacking in physical strength -- they're 
also mentally weaker.  Right.

On some level this bothers me quite a lot, but on others I can see that 
as sexism goes (especially as sexism in science fiction goes), it's 
pretty inoffensive.  It's not even enough to cut into my enjoyment of 
the book in and of itself.  However, the fact is, I *notice* it, 
whether I want to or not, and the mere act of noticing jolts me 
momentarily out of the story, so that even the most banal, passive 
sexism is going to seem like a major flaw in the book to me.

*steps off soapbox*

My only other regret for this book is that I did not discover it when I 
was younger.  I think I could have "used" it a lot while I was in grade 
school and during the first two years of high school.  I wish I had it 
even more than I wish I had Harry -- I think I love Harry best, but I 
identify more with Ender (that is *not* to say that I don't love Ender 
or identify with Harry).

Laura

P.S. Obviously, I have not yet had a chance to get my paws on any of 
the Ender sequels.  If anyone feels like replying to this post, please 
remember this and give appropriate spoiler warnings.




From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 15 15:14:46 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:14:46 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPOILER:  Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <894cae35dfd7981f2db7e42dc0be1241@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <004f01c571bc$f8304330$0400a8c0@pensive>

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My other criticism is something I almost feel too sheepish to bring up, 
but here goes anyway.  See, often much is made of the way girls 
gravitate towards fantasy, while boys supposedly prefer science 
fiction.  My theory on this is that both genres offer an appealing 
suspense of RL rules -- magic/technology/genetic 
manipulation/whathaveyou can make children as powerful and as dangerous 
as adults, can allow a hero to succeed where armies have failed, etc.  
Yet, in science fiction (and much less so in fantasy), these "special 
rules" almost never apply to girls.  Even though the author has created 
a world in which there is no reason why girls should still be 
second-class fighters and thinkers, they almost always are, sometimes 
to an even greater extent than in RL.

In Ender's Game, Card argues that females has "too many years of 
evolution working against them" (that's a paraphrase, I haven't got the 
book with me).  However, what do his kids really do that a girl would 
be naturally less equipped to handle?  The only training the "soldiers" 
undergo in which physical strength might be an advantage is the Battle 
Room, but they graduate onto strictly non-physical training before 
puberty begins -- before the boys develop any appreciable physical 
advantage.

So what is Card saying, exactly, when he says that evolution is working 
against girls to make them less capable soldiers?  The only thing he 
*can* be saying, given the framework of the story, is that girls are 
*mentally* inferior when it comes to strategizing, commanding, 
attacking, holding up under pressure, etc.  Indeed, Ender's only female 
"toon leader", despite the fact that she is one of the better fighters, 
is still the only one of his kids to "break" under the stress.  
Typical.  Girls aren't just lacking in physical strength -- they're 
also mentally weaker.  Right.

On some level this bothers me quite a lot, but on others I can see that 
as sexism goes (especially as sexism in science fiction goes), it's 
pretty inoffensive.  It's not even enough to cut into my enjoyment of 
the book in and of itself.  However, the fact is, I *notice* it, 
whether I want to or not, and the mere act of noticing jolts me 
momentarily out of the story, so that even the most banal, passive 
sexism is going to seem like a major flaw in the book to me.


Sherry

i've never read Enders Game.  I began it, but it didn't grab me, so I can't
speak about this book.  But I can recommend an author, who has female
characters who are as important and strong and able as the men.  Usually the
men are the main characters, but there are women who are major parts of the
stories and add a great deal to the action and the resolution of events.
they are not in any way seen as inferior, and they are male authors.  i just
realized I could give you two authors.

Guy Gavriel Kay
My favorite of his is called Tigana.  One of the main characters is a woman,
and she is not portrayed in any way as weaker tan the men.

George R. R. Martin
His song of Ice and Fire series is loaded with strong women and girls as
much as with strong men.  Whether the characters is good or bad they are all
incredibly drawn and very strong, mentally and physically.  I think you'd
like them.

Sherry




From ajroald at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 15 15:40:08 2005
From: ajroald at yahoo.com (Lea)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:40:08 -0000
Subject: NBC Today Show Interview with JKR - When???
In-Reply-To: <d8p7sr+p61v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8pi4o+8sd8@eGroups.com>


I found the following article on http://www.veritaserum.com/

NBC broadcast of JKR interview delayed 

 The "Today" show co-host Katie Couric announced on the show two 
weeks ago that she would be interviewing JK Rowling on the show 
tomorrow morning. Unfortunately, the broadcast has been delayed, and 
Ms. Couric's interview is no longer set to air tomorrow. NBC did not 
provide a reason for the delay and also could not say when the 
interview will air when asked over the phone. The show is still 
accepting questions from fans for the interview, which can be 
submitted through their website.
 

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> 
wrote:
> Does anyone know when the interview with JKR is going to be?  I 
thought 
> it was today, but it isn't. Now they say *next month*.  I am not 
> normally up at this hour. I will go to the NBC site and search. 
Maybe I 
> got my months mixed up, someone told me it was today, but it isn't.
> 
> Tonks_op





From nostrebor at runbox.com  Wed Jun 15 17:28:12 2005
From: nostrebor at runbox.com (nostrebor at runbox.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:28:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My bookmarks file went 'poof'
In-Reply-To: <1118835561.378.13666.m20@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1118835561.378.13666.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1DibgS-0008MS-N2@fenris.runbox.com>

Hi Dina,
What has saved me a few times (after being burned by the bookmark beastie) is Backflip. http://www.backflip.com It's a free online bookmark file where you can import your already saved bookmarks, add more, and access them on any computer. On my home computer, I've also installed the 'backflip buddy' where you can backflip a page instead of saving to favorites - it takes a little bit of space on the left side of my screen, adjustable, and you can also categorize them, IMO, nicely.

You can also share your bookmarks by making them public or only to a select group.

I must sound like a commercial for them, but honestly, I really love their website (right now I have backflipped 10502 pages). Also you can look at other's public bookmarks if your so inclined.
HTH,
Jodi

Dina wrote:
Don't'cha just hate when your web browser nukes your bookmark file?

{sigh} Unfortunately, the last back-up I made of the file was back in
November 2004 and my history file only covers the last thirty days. 
Not a complete bust but still... My bad for not backing up more often.

Some stuff will be salvageable while others won't.



From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed Jun 15 17:48:35 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:48:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPOILER:  Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <004f01c571bc$f8304330$0400a8c0@pensive>
References: <004f01c571bc$f8304330$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <b60c152426b87a0cf3790372da28cb62@fandm.edu>

Sherry:
> I've never read Enders Game.  I began it, but it didn't grab me, so I 
> can't
> speak about this book.  But I can recommend an author, who has female
> characters who are as important and strong and able as the men.  
> Usually the
> men are the main characters, but there are women who are major parts 
> of the
> stories and add a great deal to the action and the resolution of 
> events.
> they are not in any way seen as inferior, and they are male authors.  
> i just
> realized I could give you two authors.
>
> Guy Gavriel Kay
> My favorite of his is called Tigana.  One of the main characters is a 
> woman,
> and she is not portrayed in any way as weaker tan the men.
>
> George R. R. Martin
> His song of Ice and Fire series is loaded with strong women and girls 
> as
> much as with strong men.  Whether the characters is good or bad they 
> are all
> incredibly drawn and very strong, mentally and physically.  I think 
> you'd
> like them.

Thanks for the suggestions!  I'll definitely look them up -- I plan to 
do a lot of reading this summer, as I'm staying in Pennsylvania until 
late July.  For the first time in my life, I not only have the spare 
time to devote to hours of reading, but also ample *access* to 
libraries and bookstores.  ^_^

I'm not surprised that the authors you came up with were male.  If 
anything, I find that, by and large, the female writers stick even 
closer to the gender-biased conventions of the genre than the men.  It 
seems backwards, but there it is.  Perhaps they're compensating.  ^_~

Laura





From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 15 18:00:50 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:00:50 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPOILER:  Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <b60c152426b87a0cf3790372da28cb62@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <006b01c571d4$2af48300$0400a8c0@pensive>

I'm not surprised that the authors you came up with were male.  If 
anything, I find that, by and large, the female writers stick even 
closer to the gender-biased conventions of the genre than the men.  It 
seems backwards, but there it is.  Perhaps they're compensating.  ^_~

Laura

Sherry

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If you would care to read some other juvenile fantasy, Tamora Pierce writes
wonderful girls!  I particularly love The Lioness quartet series, starting
with Alanna.  This is a series about a girl in a fantasy kingdom who wants
to become a knight.  She is supposed to go into a convent and learn magic,
because that's what girls do.  Her brother is supposed to become the knight.
But he wants sorcery and she wants knight hood.  They do a switch, and for
several years, she disguises herself as a boy, goes through education to
become a squire and then a knight.  eventually, everyone knows she is a
girl, but she still becomes a knight and has many glorious adventures as a
knight.  It's a fun set of books.  

I do agree with you statement though.  I've often found women authors stick
more closely to old biases about women than many male authors.  i hope you
enjoy Kay and Martin.  they are wonderful fantasies, with characters you end
up caring about.  Tigana haunted me for a long time, and it is in my top ten
favorite books of all time.

Sherry




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From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed Jun 15 18:34:49 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:34:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPOILER:  Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <006b01c571d4$2af48300$0400a8c0@pensive>
References: <006b01c571d4$2af48300$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <5000963c377226b8aab398b1c49c96cf@fandm.edu>

Spoilers for Tamora Pierce ahead . . .

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Sherry:
> If you would care to read some other juvenile fantasy, Tamora Pierce 
> writes
> wonderful girls!  I particularly love The Lioness quartet series, 
> starting
> with Alanna.  This is a series about a girl in a fantasy kingdom who 
> wants
> to become a knight.  She is supposed to go into a convent and learn 
> magic,
> because that's what girls do.  Her brother is supposed to become the 
> knight.
> But he wants sorcery and she wants knight hood.  They do a switch, and 
> for
> several years, she disguises herself as a boy, goes through education 
> to
> become a squire and then a knight.  eventually, everyone knows she is a
> girl, but she still becomes a knight and has many glorious adventures 
> as a
> knight.  It's a fun set of books.

The Lioness quartet and the Immortals quartet were some of my childhood 
staples (I didn't have much access to new books -- small town, no 
bookstore, no library -- so I read the ones I had over and over).  Both 
are excellent, solidly written stories, although a good friend of mine 
brought up the point that Daine (of the Immortals quartet) was quite 
Mary Sue-ish, which is probably a fair assessment.

Imagine my horror when I tried to read the Circle of Magic books, which 
were complete trash (IMO).  I sort of gave up on Pierce after the 
second book in that line, although I've heard recently that she has a 
new Tortall quartet going and it's quite good.  I'll probably give it a 
go this summer, as well.

 From the feminism angle (which is *not* how I read books, mind you, 
it's just something I've never been able to help noticing), I really 
thought  the Lioness quartet did a great job of dealing with the 
differences between boys and girls -- and also Alanna's struggle to 
accept her femininity --  without being irritating, preachy, or archaic 
about it.

> I do agree with you statement though.  I've often found women authors 
> stick
> more closely to old biases about women than many male authors.  i hope 
> you
> enjoy Kay and Martin.  they are wonderful fantasies, with characters 
> you end
> up caring about.  Tigana haunted me for a long time, and it is in my 
> top ten
> favorite books of all time.

I look forward to reading them.  ^_^

Laura




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 15 20:38:11 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:38:11 -0000
Subject: BackFlip, Bookmarks, and Privacy
In-Reply-To: <E1DibgS-0008MS-N2@fenris.runbox.com>
Message-ID: <d8q3jj+hmie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, <nostrebor at r...> wrote:
> Hi Dina,
> What has saved me a few times (after being burned by the bookmark
beastie) is Backflip. http://www.backflip.com It's a free online
bookmark file where you can import your already saved bookmarks, add
more, and access them on any computer. ...edited...
> 
> I must sound like a commercial for them, but honestly, I really love
their website (right now I have backflipped 10502 pages). Also you can
look at other's public bookmarks if your so inclined.
> HTH,
> Jodi

bboyminn:

Don't want to burst you bubble Jodi, but have you ever heard the
expression that nothing if for free. BackFlip has to  make enough
money to say in business, so have you asked youself how they make that
money.

Personally, I don't know anything about BadFlip, but in giving them a
list of you bookmarks, you are giving them a lot personal information.
Information that they could potentially use for marketing purposes. In
addition, if there is BackFlip software installed on your computer, it
could be monitoring you web usage. 

I'm not saying that they are, I'm just saying they could. That have to
make money somehow, and I would suggest that you put some effort into
determining how they make that money, and what level of privacy they
are offerring you.

Again, I know nothing specifically about BackFlip, but that's how
these things tend to work. 

Just a thought.

bboyminn





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 16 04:23:37 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:23:37 -0000
Subject: NBC Today Show Interview with JKR - When???
In-Reply-To: <d8pi4o+8sd8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8qus9+kvlv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lea" <ajroald at y...> wrote:
> 
> I found the following article on http://www.veritaserum.com/
> 
> NBC broadcast of JKR interview delayed 
> 
>> Snip

  

Thanks so much. I thought I was losing my mind. If you hear anything 
more please let me and the others know. Thanks again.


Tonks






From srbecca at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 16 04:46:12 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (nebraskatoronto)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:46:12 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game/Jasper Fforde
In-Reply-To: <006b01c571d4$2af48300$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <d8r06k+sn95@eGroups.com>

Just wanted to say that I just finished Ender's Game.

I bought it for my little brother (he's 16).  I used to work in a 
book store and was looking for a good fantasy/sci fi book for him. 
The lovely sci fi geek (self described) at the store recommended 
it.  

He never read it.  What a little piss ant.

So I took it and read it myself on this board's suggestion.

I really thought it was a stand out book.  Thanks for the suggestion.

In fact I thought I'd add my own.

Might I add if you haven't checked out Jasper Fforde's books you are 
really missing out.

He's not completely sci fi ..but if you enjoy cross-genre fiction 
you'll like his hilarious novels!  

It takes place in an alternative 1985 and has to do with the inner 
workings of Jane Eyre. The lead character (Thursday Next) is female 
and so so funny.  Seriously check it out, the first book is called 
The Eyre Affair.  (and you don't have to read Jane Eyre to get 
it..but it makes it that more funny if you have).

I read the first in the series while waiting overnight at Gatwick 
for a flight home..(although sleeping in a London airport is not 
required it adds to the flavor)..so they are good friends of mine, 
these books!











From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 17 13:26:27 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:26:27 -0000
Subject: NBC Today Show Interview with JKR - When???
In-Reply-To: <d8qus9+kvlv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8uj23+aqf6@eGroups.com>

> >Lea:
> > I found the following article on http://www.veritaserum.com/
> > 
> > NBC broadcast of JKR interview delayed 
> 
Tonks:
> Thanks so much. I thought I was losing my mind. If you hear anything 
> more please let me and the others know. Thanks again.

catkind: So what's going on there? JKR acidentally let a load of
spoilers slip or what?

ck





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 17 17:16:21 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:16:21 -0000
Subject: NBC Today Show Interview with JKR - When???
In-Reply-To: <d8uj23+aqf6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8v0h5+u46k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cat_kind" <cat_kind at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> catkind: So what's going on there? JKR acidentally let a load of
> spoilers slip or what?
> 

Tonks:

Maybe PR. If they are running a Harry Potter week the week of the book 
release, then this will be part of the hype. Maybe the PR people 
said "hold it till nearer the book release and it will have more 
impact. And if we tease them a bit.. and make it a day or two later..."

Tonks_op





From k.coble at comcast.net  Fri Jun 17 14:53:00 2005
From: k.coble at comcast.net (Katherine Coble)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:53:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: NBC Today Show Interview with JKR - When???
In-Reply-To: <d8uj23+aqf6@eGroups.com>
References: <d8uj23+aqf6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <794437ec57c12005026daab0165cc040@comcast.net>


On Jun 17, 2005, at 8:26 AM, cat_kind wrote:

>>> Lea:
>>> I found the following article on http://www.veritaserum.com/
>>>
>>> NBC broadcast of JKR interview delayed
>>
> Tonks:
>> Thanks so much. I thought I was losing my mind. If you hear anything
>> more please let me and the others know. Thanks again.
>
> catkind: So what's going on there? JKR acidentally let a load of
> spoilers slip or what?
>
> ck
>
>

I'm betting that it's all designed by her publicist for maximum effect.
It's better to air the interview when the people can go right out and 
buy the book.  Pretty much everyone who would be influenced to prebuy 
the book doesn't need the additional "sell" of author promos.

Katherine




From a_b_desert_king at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 18 00:33:28 2005
From: a_b_desert_king at hotmail.com (a_b_desert_king)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:33:28 -0000
Subject: HBP Midnight Party  - Eastern Canada anyone?
Message-ID: <d8vq4o+n03a@eGroups.com>

Hi all,

So far all the Potter Parties I have seen are in the Southern half 
of our North American continent, so I thought I would leave a 
Canadian mark.

I just wanted to mention that if there are any HP fans in the Hub of 
Nova Scotia, I am planning a Potter Party for July 16th starting at 
about 5pm.  The plan is to play the movies, sit and discuss/read the 
books etc, etc.  I know of about a dozen people already confirmed.  
It will be a pot luck BBQ (BYOM) and everyone so far has pre-ordered 
from Coles so we will be trouping into town early to line up for the 
early opening at 7am.  Then back to cozy comfort to read, read, read.

If you are interested in joining us, feel free to e-mail me at the 
above hotmail address and be sure to put in the subject heading 
Potter Party so I won't delete it as junk mail!  :)

I know I can't wait....

Heather







From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 18 00:55:17 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:55:17 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game/Jasper Fforde
In-Reply-To: <d8r06k+sn95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8vrdl+4v2h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "nebraskatoronto" 
<srbecca at h...> wrote:
> Just wanted to say that I just finished Ender's Game.
> 
>Snip<
> I really thought it was a stand out book.  Thanks for the 
suggestion.
> 
> In fact I thought I'd add my own.
> 
> Might I add if you haven't checked out Jasper Fforde's books you 
are really missing out.
> 
> He's not completely sci fi ..but if you enjoy cross-genre fiction 
> you'll like his hilarious novels!  
> 
> It takes place in an alternative 1985 and has to do with the inner 
> workings of Jane Eyre. The lead character (Thursday Next) is 
female and so so funny.  Seriously check it out, the first book is 
called The Eyre Affair.  (and you don't have to read Jane Eyre to 
get 
> it..but it makes it that more funny if you have).
> 
> I read the first in the series while waiting overnight at Gatwick 
> for a flight home..(although sleeping in a London airport is not 
> required it adds to the flavor)..so they are good friends of mine, 
> these books!

*****\(@@)/*****

I just loved those books! I have all of them and I believe Jasper 
Fforde is coming out with a new one (not a Thursday Next story 
though) called The Big Over Easy. It looks great. For some great fun 
check out his website too:

http://www.jasperfforde.com/

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****








From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 18 02:43:28 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Samantha!
Message-ID: <20050618024328.48007.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

*tiptoes in quietly, trying not to disrupt the party
in progress*

What am I up to? Can't you see the lovely new banner I
found for the party room?

*points to garish fuschia and lime green birthday
banner*

Today's birthday honouree is Samantha. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to Samantha
at: potionsgurl at theburrow.org

I hope you day has been wonderful and the celebration
lasts through the whole weekend. We'll definitely keep
it going here for you. :)

Happy Birthday, Samantha!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From srbecca at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 18 03:34:59 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 03:34:59 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ender's Game/Jasper Fforde
Message-ID: <BAY104-F29B47BCB0F438A0ED76A6CA8F70@phx.gbl>

Dudemom 2000 wrote:


>I just loved those books! I have all of them and I believe Jasper
>Fforde is coming out with a new one (not a Thursday Next story
>though) called The Big Over Easy. It looks great. For some great fun
>check out his website too:
>
>http://www.jasperfforde.com/



Yes, I've visited this website a few times.  My favourite part is the 
Extreme Thursday Next section.  Where people take pics of themselves in 
extreme places reading a Thursday Next book.  My fav is the one from this 
teen in his bedroom..he says it's a place not many people have been to.

Yes, July is bringing me two wonderful lit surprises in a new Jasper Fforde 
novel and a new Harry Potter book..someone out there must know how boring 
summer stock (in Wisconsin no less) can be!

I should bring my thursday next books with me and take some pics...maybe 
I'll be able to get in the extreme section of the website!

I think the sense of humour in Fforde's books are in the same vain as the 
underlying adult humour that is in alot of the Harry Potter novels..it is 
such a breath of fresh air to read something that doesn't take itself so 
seriously that it's a chore to read.





From paulined at optushome.com.au  Sat Jun 18 08:18:59 2005
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:18:59 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP - Sydney - Gleewarts express??
In-Reply-To: <d8vq4o+n03a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050618181554.01dd14a8@mail.optushome.com.au>


>So far all the Potter Parties I have seen are in the Southern half
>of our North American continent, so I thought I would leave a
>Canadian mark.

I would also love to know if anyone will be on the Gleewarts 
Express??  Gleebooks in Sydney are organising a steam train ride, with lots 
of entertainment, everyone in wizard regalia and cauldron cakes.  "Minerva" 
wrote to say that they wanted to know if we had seating preferences, and I 
wondered if anyone here would be going.

Love Pauline


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 18 15:09:21 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:09:21 -0000
Subject: Borders Coupon
Message-ID: <d91df1+ou49@eGroups.com>

OK, I seem to remember receiving a coupon for 20% off an additional 
item at Borders the night HBP is released.  I thought I saved it, but 
I can't find it in my email anywhere.  Please, if one of you got the 
offer, can you foreward it offlist to me?  

Much thanks!
imamommy





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Jun 18 15:34:54 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:34:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Borders Coupon
In-Reply-To: <d91df1+ou49@eGroups.com>
References: <d91df1+ou49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050618083435c7e368@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/18/05, Emily <imamommy at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> OK, I seem to remember receiving a coupon for 20% off an additional
> item at Borders the night HBP is released.  I thought I saved it, but
> I can't find it in my email anywhere.  Please, if one of you got the
> offer, can you foreward it offlist to me?

I know you requested offlist but dealcoupon.com can be a useful site:
http://dealcoupon.com/online-stores/Borders/1030/

Reserve HBP and get a second item 25% off.

While http://dealcoupon.com/online-stores/barnesandnoble-com/286/

Hm, a person could get the Deluxe HBP at $42 and pad the shopping cart
with another $8 or more item to get $5 off.  Since it's over $25,
shipping is free.

Dina



From seuferer at netins.net  Sat Jun 18 17:48:30 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:48:30 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Updated
Message-ID: <d91mpe+p03h@eGroups.com>

Chapter 42: Bridal Parties

This chapter sees our beloved Potions Master reluctantly attending 
Remus Lupin's bachelor party, while Rowena is off with Tonks and 
friends for the bachelorette party.

I had *way* too much fun writing this chapter.  I completely do not 
like fics where Severus is made to play the fool or behave in an 
undignified manner--but I had a great deal of fun giggling to myself 
as I imagined his thoughts and expressions of disgust and revulsion 
as he was forced to witness other people doing precisely that.

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama, 
hurt/comfort. After OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but 
before Half Blood Prince; so AU to that book when it arrives.  
Voldemort is out in the open, Snape involved in DE activities 
because of his OotP Spy role.  A researcher from Ministry offers to 
aid and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's 
Master whom she knew slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth 
plot. (Way too much plot for those of you who want PWP.) WIP Rated 
NC-17 for later chapters. 

This is a mature themes fic, not only because of romance/sexual 
situations, but also because of a realistic, intense, and sometimes 
graphic view of what Death Eaters would probably REALLY be like, and 
the unpleasantness a truly effective spy would have to endure.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page (see my cute 
family?and my hubby who has not cut his hair since HBP-release date 
was announced just for me, so he can dress as Snape for the book 
party!! What a guy! /vbg/)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/
Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story has been more thoroughly 'polished' at FFN because I find 
it more user friendly to my technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in 
the 'lemons' on AFN. I have only recently been told by a list-sister 
on GotSnape how to keep my italics and other font-thingies on AFN, 
and I haven't yet taken the time to go back and edit previous 
chapters.  I will also be submitting it to SycophantHex eventually 
if approved there. I'm waiting until it is complete to apply.

If you are into that sort of thing, you are welcome to pop by and 
view my livejournal where I leave more specific chapter notes, 
replies to reviews, and those sorts of author-musings.  Anyone may 
view my journal.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/weasleyfan/

I love comments, reviews, constructive criticism, I would *adore* 
having a Brit-picker for this fic, and I am always happy to have 
people find/catch typos, errors, etc.  I have a delightful beta who 
does an excellent job of catching most of my errors (and abuse of 
commas, etc.) but we are all human and sometimes I tinker after she 
has 'finished' with a chapter.  Any remaining errors are mine, and I 
will shower you with virtual hugs for pointing them out to me so 
that I can fix them.

Please specify which chapter you are referencing when giving me 
such 'fixes' so that it makes it easier for me to find and go back 
and repair later.

I hope you enjoy the chapter!
Shanti





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 18 20:38:49 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:38:49 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game/Jasper Fforde
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F29B47BCB0F438A0ED76A6CA8F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d920op+6d0b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca Dreiling" 
<srbecca at h...> wrote:
> Dudemom 2000 wrote:
> 
 
Snip

> http://www.jasperfforde.com/
> 
>******************** 
> Yes, I've visited this website a few times.  My favourite part is 
the Extreme Thursday Next section.  Where people take pics of 
themselves in extreme places reading a Thursday Next book. > 
> I should bring my thursday next books with me and take some 
pics...maybe I'll be able to get in the extreme section of the 
website!
> 
> I think the sense of humour in Fforde's books are in the same vain 
as the underlying adult humour that is in alot of the Harry Potter 
novels..it is such a breath of fresh air to read something that 
doesn't take itself so seriously that it's a chore to read.

*****\(@@)/*****

What a great idea! You should do that - I am sure it would make the 
extreme section!

I found myself laughing out loud when I was reading the books and 
unfortunately it is impossible to explain exactly what it is you are 
laughing about because it is so pun ridden and it builds joke upon 
joke. It is refreshing to read something that is adult humor and is 
both lowbrow and highbrow at the same time! Mr. Fforde certainly 
knows his grammar and his literature! This was certainly one of the 
most original books I have ever read.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****







From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 19 02:30:03 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:30:03 -0000
Subject: Fiction (was: Ender's Game) / / and Gleewarts sounds so cool!
In-Reply-To: <d8oau8+66ih@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d92lbb+3o74@eGroups.com>

"bbkkyy55" Bonnie wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27562 :

<< [Orson Scott Card] made a statement in the introduction that rang
so true for me I almost had to cheer. He says: "Why else do we read
fiction, anyway? Not to be impressed by somebody's dazzling language -
or at least I hope that's not our reason. >>

I'm not disagreeing with anything he said about learning about the
human heart, nor with anything Aristotle said about catharsis of pity
and terror, but certainly sometimes I DO read some fiction and some
non-fiction precisely FOR its dazzling language. And sometimes for its
ROTFL humor, which is a much lower-brow reason than that.

<< Orson Scott Card goes on later in the introduction to say:
"The story itself, the true story, is the one that the audience
members create in their minds, guided and shaped by my text, but then
transformed, elucidated, expanded, edited, and clarified by their own
experience, their own desires, their own hopes and fears."
That must be why movies seldom are as good as the books. >>

It's not easy for a movie to be very good (and not easy for a book to
be very good), so it's not easy for the movie made from a very good
book to be as good as the book. However, I'm under the impression that
some very good movies have been made from rather bad books, yet
another indication that the book and the movie are different beings.

PS: 
Pauline wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27582 :

<< I would also love to know if anyone will be on the Gleewarts
Express?? Gleebooks in Sydney are organising a steam train ride, with
lots of entertainment, everyone in wizard regalia and cauldron cakes.
"Minerva" wrote to say that they wanted to know if we had seating
preferences, and I wondered if anyone here would be going. >>

That sounds so cool!





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 19 04:02:15 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 19 Jun 2005 04:02:15 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1119153735.49.27238.m24@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 19, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 19 15:07:28 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 19 Jun 2005 15:07:28 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1119193648.20.45978.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 19, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Sun Jun 19 05:17:03 2005
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:17:03 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Borders Coupon
Message-ID: <1c9.2ae341ab.2fe659cf@aol.com>

Pre - order your book at Barnes and Noble and you will save 30%. No coupon 
required.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 19:11:10 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:11:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Borders Coupon
In-Reply-To: <1c9.2ae341ab.2fe659cf@aol.com>
References: <1c9.2ae341ab.2fe659cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005061912112ec9a8d3@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/19/05, Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com <Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com> wrote:
> Pre - order your book at Barnes and Noble and you will save 30%. No coupon
> required.
>

Uh?  I thought the question was pertaining to a *second* item off
coupon?  It's a given that both Barnes&Noble and Borders have the
preorders as 40% off.

Dina



From srbecca at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 20 00:33:20 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (nebraskatoronto)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:33:20 -0000
Subject: Ender's Game/Jasper Fforde
In-Reply-To: <d920op+6d0b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d952sg+4296@eGroups.com>


> > Dudemom 2000 wrote:Mr. Fforde certainly 
> knows his grammar and his literature! This was certainly one of the 
> most original books I have ever read.



I love that you feel like you are entering this fully realised fantasy 
world that he has been contemplating for several years.

I know he wasn't published for many years and kept plugging 
away..maybe in his case this wasn't such a bad thing.  If it meant a 
richer fantasy for the page..but who knows?

He makes me laugh like crazy though..and yes it's hard to say why to 
someone who hasn't been reading the whole book.

> > 
>  






From catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 20 15:37:45 2005
From: catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk (Charlie Jones)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:37:45 -0000
Subject: New member introduction
Message-ID: <d96ns9+aetl@eGroups.com>

Hello. I've just joined the main "Harry Potter for Grownups" list and 
thought it would be a good idea to sign up with this one, too, as I 
enjoy off-topic chatter. :-)

For those curious, my name is Charlie, I'm 21, female and from Kent, 
England. I've been a fan of the HP books since shortly after the 
release of GoF. Originally I snubbed the novels, because a lot of the 
time I get very turned off by too much advertising and over-hype when 
it comes to products. Luckily, I saw the light and dedided to give 
the books a read, though, just because *everyone* seemed to like 
them. I figured if they were THAT popular, they couldn't be too bad. 
So I started with PS, then read the others in the correct order. I 
became hooked from the first page of PS, blown away by JKR's 
storytelling ability and shocked at how witty, clever, complex and 
fascinating HP was for something I'd thought was a children's book. 

Over the last four years or so I have been drifitng between HP and 
other things, but with the release of HPB only 25 days away, I've 
found myself back into HP fan mode. I'm bursting with excitment 
waiting, to the point where I keep having dreams about HPB. :p

Aside from HP, my other fandoms include Buffy/Angel, Batman, 
Desperate Housewives, and Les Miserables. I enjoy reading, writing, 
the internet, and music. I love animals, cats being my favourite, and 
come September I'll be studying for my English GCSE in night classes 
at the local college. 

Well, I've kept you long enough. I'll end by saying that I'm very 
happy to be here and to look out for me chiming in when I have 
something to say on the main HPFGU mailing list. Thanks for 
reading. :-)

Take care,
Charlie.






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 20 23:24:23 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:24:23 -0000
Subject: New member introduction
In-Reply-To: <d96ns9+aetl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d97j77+v6s6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Jones" 
<catwoman1683 at y...> wrote:
> Hello. I've just joined the main "Harry Potter for Grownups" list 
and thought it would be a good idea to sign up with this one, too, 
as I enjoy off-topic chatter. :-)
> 
> For those curious, my name is Charlie, I'm 21, female and from 
Kent, England. I've been a fan of the HP books since shortly after 
the release of GoF. Originally I snubbed the novels, because a lot 
of the time I get very turned off by too much advertising and over-
hype when it comes to products. Luckily, I saw the light and dedided 
to give the books a read, though, just because *everyone* seemed to 
like them. I figured if they were THAT popular, they couldn't be too 
bad. 
> So I started with PS, then read the others in the correct order. I 
> became hooked from the first page of PS, blown away by JKR's 
> storytelling ability and shocked at how witty, clever, complex and 
> fascinating HP was for something I'd thought was a children's 
book. 
> 
> Over the last four years or so I have been drifitng between HP and 
> other things, but with the release of HPB only 25 days away, I've 
> found myself back into HP fan mode. I'm bursting with excitment 
> waiting, to the point where I keep having dreams about HPB. :p
> 
> Aside from HP, my other fandoms include Buffy/Angel, Batman, 
> Desperate Housewives, and Les Miserables. I enjoy reading, 
writing, the internet, and music. I love animals, cats being my 
favourite, and come September I'll be studying for my English GCSE 
in night classes at the local college. 
> 
> Well, I've kept you long enough. I'll end by saying that I'm very 
> happy to be here and to look out for me chiming in when I have 
> something to say on the main HPFGU mailing list. Thanks for 
> reading. :-)
> 
> Take care,
> Charlie.

*****\(@@)/*****

Welcome to OTChatter, Charlie! We are a very nice group and are 
pretty much laid back here. You have picked the two best places to 
discuss HP (us and HPfGU)! Please feel free to join the Sunday 
chats - they are usually interesting and a lot of fun. My cat Dude 
says hi also!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun 21 09:42:26 2005
From: catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk (Charlie Jones)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:42:26 -0000
Subject: New member introduction
In-Reply-To: <d97j77+v6s6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d98ne2+vqch@eGroups.com>


> Welcome to OTChatter, Charlie! We are a very nice group and are 
> pretty much laid back here. You have picked the two best places to 
> discuss HP (us and HPfGU)! Please feel free to join the Sunday 
> chats - they are usually interesting and a lot of fun. My cat Dude 
> says hi also!
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

Thanks for the welcome, Dudemom (*waves to kitty*). :-) I must say 
I'm very glad to have found HPfGU, it looks a lot more mature than 
most HP related forum's I've come across...it took me forever to find 
somewhere I liked enough to join. Be warned, that I can go through 
phases of lurking a lot so if I disppear, I'm likely still here. 
Despite being a chatterbox I can go through very quiet phases 
sometimes. Still, I'll try to chime in when I have something 
productive to add. :-)

Take care,
Charlie.





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Jun 21 11:09:30 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:09:30 -0000
Subject: New member introduction
In-Reply-To: <d96ns9+aetl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d98sha+ukku@eGroups.com>

Charlie wrote:
> Hello. I've just joined the main "Harry Potter for Grownups" list 
and 
> thought it would be a good idea to sign up with this one, too, as I 
> enjoy off-topic chatter. :-)
> 
> For those curious, my name is Charlie, I'm 21, female and from Kent, 
> England. 

Hi, and welcome!

I live in Surrey, myself, so not too far from Little Whinging (though 
not on a thirties estate like the Dursleys).  

We do have members in Kent, too, but I'll let them introduce 
themselves.

Do you have the time or money to go to Accio (Reading, end of July) - 
http://www.accio.org.uk/ ?

David





From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 21 12:43:37 2005
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:43:37 -0400
Subject: New Member Intro
References: <1119356785.278.34778.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <008501c5765e$e516b080$565279a5@leeannlaptop>

Charlie wrote:
For those curious, my name is Charlie, I'm 21, female and from Kent,
England. I've been a fan of the HP books since shortly after the
release of GoF. Originally.....

Now Me,
Welcome Charlie! I happen to be from the US (Pennsylvania exactly), but I 
love how small the world can be. I am looking forward to the list picking up 
soon with  the release getting closer. Let us know if you hear anything 
interesting!
Leeann
Also a kitty owner! And a dog and a few fish (they come and go). 




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 21 15:19:10 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday x 2!
Message-ID: <20050621151910.94172.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

*staggers into the room under the weight of two
tastefully decorated cakes, streamers trailing from
the pack on her back*

If someone would be so kind as to rescue these cakes
from and place them on the side table, I'll finish up
with the decorating. Thanks!

Today's birthday honourees are Carolina and Amanda.
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Carolina at: silmariel at telefonica.net and
to Amanda at: oodaday at yahoo.co.uk

I hope you both have wonderful days, filled with
magic, joy, and the company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Carolina!
Happy Birthday, Amanda!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun 21 15:27:03 2005
From: catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk (Charlie Jones)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:27:03 -0000
Subject: New Member Intro
In-Reply-To: <008501c5765e$e516b080$565279a5@leeannlaptop>
Message-ID: <d99bk7+hpld@eGroups.com>

Thanks for all the nice welcomes, everyone. I'm already feeling at 
home. :-)

Take care,
Charlie.






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 21 18:31:02 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:31:02 -0700
Subject: looking for a fic
Message-ID: <008201c5768f$6198ec60$0400a8c0@pensive>

Hi,

I know there are some fiction alley people on this list.  i just cannot get
around the search function on that site.  I happened to mention a fic I had
tried on an LOTR group I run.  Several people asked me for the link to the
fic, but I had already deleted the chapter owl with the listing.  If anyone
can find it for me, could someone send me the link to

in the Darkness bind Them
I think the author is J L Mathews, but I'm not sure of the spelling on that.
It is a LOTR HP cross over.  I had mentioned it, and now several want to
read it.  

Thanks if anyone can help me with this!

Sherry




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 19:15:00 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:15:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] looking for a fic
In-Reply-To: <008201c5768f$6198ec60$0400a8c0@pensive>
References: <008201c5768f$6198ec60$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062112155b98596d@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/21/05, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:

> tried on an LOTR group I run.  Several people asked me for the link to the
> fic, but I had already deleted the chapter owl with the listing.  If anyone
> can find it for me, could someone send me the link to
> 
> in the Darkness bind Them
> I think the author is J L Mathews, but I'm not sure of the spelling on that.

Since I'm bad at reading and deleting email:
http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/jlmatthews/IDBT04.html
This link was on the June 20 Chapter Owls when I did a word search.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 19:20:37 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:20:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] looking for a fic
In-Reply-To: <008201c5768f$6198ec60$0400a8c0@pensive>
References: <008201c5768f$6198ec60$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <1a273840050621122067b11566@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, splitting up emails since I have two workers comp auditors
sitting behind me and a headache.

On 6/21/05, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I think the author is J L Mathews, but I'm not sure of the spelling on that.
> It is a LOTR HP cross over.  I had mentioned it, and now several want to
> read it.

Hm, the name sounds familiar from my LOTR slash reading days.  Either
she writes Aragorn/Legolas slash or Viggo/Orlando.  Then again, the
name isn't too unusual. {g}

I am rather glad when folk retain the same names, even when switching
fandoms, because of the familiarity.

Dina



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 21 19:23:30 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] looking for a fic
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050621122067b11566@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009501c57696$b5a52c40$0400a8c0@pensive>

Thank you, Dina!

i should save my chapter owls for a few days after I read all he updates i
want but ... i had such a backlog for a while, that I'm trying not to save
them.  

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dina Lerret
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:21 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] looking for a fic


Sorry, splitting up emails since I have two workers comp auditors
sitting behind me and a headache.

On 6/21/05, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I think the author is J L Mathews, but I'm not sure of the spelling on
that.
> It is a LOTR HP cross over.  I had mentioned it, and now several want to
> read it.

Hm, the name sounds familiar from my LOTR slash reading days.  Either
she writes Aragorn/Legolas slash or Viggo/Orlando.  Then again, the
name isn't too unusual. {g}

I am rather glad when folk retain the same names, even when switching
fandoms, because of the familiarity.

Dina


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From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 21 20:45:30 2005
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (tbernhard2000)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:45:30 -0000
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Charlie Jones wrote:
> Originally I snubbed the novels, because a lot of the time I get 
very turned off by too much advertising and over-hype when it comes 
to products. Luckily, I saw the light and dedided to give the books a 
read, though, just because *everyone* seemed to like them. I figured 
if they were THAT popular, they couldn't be too bad. 

dan:

I can remember repeatedly slamming both Rowling and Rowling readers 
BEFORE I'd ever read the books. I hated the whole thing - too 
popular, too over the top fanatical....

Well well.

Then I got the PS DVD for my son, and watched it with him. "Hmm," I 
said to myself, "what's up with this?"

I bought the 4 books extent at the time, and read them all in a week.

I found HPfGU, butted heads with the moderatators and rules at the 
start, but found myself at home there eventually.

I was in the bookstore at midnight for Order of the Phoenix!

I became an elf on HPfGU!

And I will be in the bookstore at midnight for Half Blood Prince!

dan








From catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun 21 22:09:37 2005
From: catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk (Charlie Jones)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:09:37 -0000
Subject: New member introduction
In-Reply-To: <d99u9a+u36m@eGroups.com>
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> I can remember repeatedly slamming both Rowling and Rowling readers 
> BEFORE I'd ever read the books. I hated the whole thing - too 
> popular, too over the top fanatical....

I was the same with Shrek 2. I remember the advertising campainge for 
that movie and it was so bad here on TV at one point that I got to the 
stage where I wanted to scream if Shrek was even mentioned. Months 
after the movies release on DVD, I rented a copy and became a fan, 
mostly for the Puss In Boots and Donkey characters. I own a copy now 
and have watched it several times.
 
> And I will be in the bookstore at midnight for Half Blood Prince!

I wish I could be. Except I don't own a car (or even know how to 
drive), or know anyone else that does so the only way for me to get to 
the nearest bookstore that would be open would be to take a cab, which 
is too expensive. I'll just copy what I did for the release of OotP and 
go into town early on the Saturday morning as soon as the shops open, 
probably do other errands and go crazy not being able to read the book 
until I get home!

Take care,
Charlie.
> 






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 08:53:34 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:53:34 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [HPforGrownups] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050622012778c9a121@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9aun6+7ji0@eGroups.com> <d9b0gq+dgjo@eGroups.com>
	 <1a273840050622012778c9a121@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062201533db29bdb@mail.gmail.com>

Since I suspect this topic may be migrated to another list and I'm
never taken off moderated for HPFGU, I'm copying a response made to
HPFGU here.

I know the books are British-based but... {shakes head}  I really wish
Americanisms aren't put down so much.  Even within countries, there's
regional dialect and we're still basically using a form of... English.

Dina


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2005 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com

> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Laura Lynn Walsh
> <lwalsh at a...>
> > wrote:
> > > >Hi All. Has any one read the audio versions of the books? Both
> the
> > > >US and the UK versions? What I mean is the US and

On 6/22/05, susanmcgee48176 <Schlobin at aol.com> wrote:
> I also like both versions (Fry; Dale).
>
> I like to order the UK books because I have been upset and aggravated
> ever since the U.S. publishers insisted the title of the first book
> be changed.

As an American, I'm not bothered by either the British or the
Americanization--I'm not some strict purist. {g}  I think, if you can
*really* appreciate a work in one format and have the ability to
expand upon this interest (comprehension is key), purity is
irrelevant.  For example, I can appreciate Shakespeare in its original
format but I also can enjoy the 'modernization' of it as well.

Going back to the audiobooks, am I the only one amused when folk
reference 'reading' in relationship to audiobooks? {g}  I think
listening would be more accurate, but anyway, I've heard both versions
and I like Jim Dale's rendition more than Stephen Fry's, which is not
saying I'm not bugged by some things in the Dale reading.

I'm not one for subtle nuances in voice and I like the aspect of the
reading being a performance versus a narration.  As much as Stephen
Fry 'rawks', I find myself wanting more... "energy" in the readings,
so Jim Dale gets my vote.  Sometimes, I wonder if Jim Dale is being
rated on his reading... or just his reading material.

Dina



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 22 14:10:56 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:10:56 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: [HPforGrownups] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005062201533db29bdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c57734$35de6820$0400a8c0@pensive>

Dina said
Since I suspect this topic may be migrated to another list and I'm
never taken off moderated for HPFGU, I'm copying a response made to
HPFGU here.

I know the books are British-based but... {shakes head}  I really wish
Americanisms aren't put down so much.  Even within countries, there's
regional dialect and we're still basically using a form of... English.

Dina

Sherry
I think what i didn't like about the difference in the UK and US versions
was that they said children would be confused by the UK spellings and terms.
Nonsense!  When I was a kid, I read books written by UK authors and had no
trouble figuring such things out.  In fact, I ended up loving some UK
spelling things like colour, neighbour and all that.  i used to use those
spellings in my writing all the time.  i now have text versions of the UK
editions and enjoy hearing the different terminology.  

Am I right in thinking that they didn't do that with OOTP?  Seems to me
there's a lot of UK expressions in the audio version, Jim dale reading, that
were not there in the previous books.  Quidditch Pitch, and Ron's use of the
word Mate spring to mind, but there were more.

sherry




From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 22 15:10:04 2005
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:10:04 -0400
Subject: Audio Books
Message-ID: <005501c5773c$788e6c30$6c00a8c0@leeannlaptop>

Dina wrote:    *Giant Snip*   Going back to the audiobooks, am I the only one amused when folk
reference 'reading' in relationship to audiobooks? 


Me now:
I'm sure Dina is not slamming those who prefer audio books, but I wanted to point out something.
Besides the obvious use for the blind and driving on long trips, my son has a communication handicap. He is quite intelligent but reads very slow. So slow that his brain wants the story to move faster. When it doesn't, he gets bored and tired. Because of all this, he has been very hard to motivate to read. He loves HP and LOTR (he's 11) and wants to read them, but it is such a labor intensive task for him. About this time last year it was recomended that he use unabridged audio books while following along in the book. To say this has been a life saver would be a gross understatment. He has now "read" GOF, OOTP and is now on to Eragon. For pleasure only I might add. He has read other books as required for school in between. This child has been transformed from a kid who would leave the room when we would discuss books to one who is excited to be able to contribute. A very dear friend who shall remain nameless (Sam) from the UK sent him PS for his birthday this year and he read most of that without the use of an audio. You would have thought he got a pound of 20's!
That's just my story, i'm sure there are many more out there. Thank you all my OT friends for listening. And thanks Dina for bringing the subject into discussion. I am now a much happier mom!
Leeann



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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 15:25:59 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:25:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: [HPforGrownups] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <002201c57734$35de6820$0400a8c0@pensive>
References: <1a27384005062201533db29bdb@mail.gmail.com>
	 <002201c57734$35de6820$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <1a273840050622082527da006f@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/22/05, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I think what i didn't like about the difference in the UK and US versions
> was that they said children would be confused by the UK spellings and terms.
> Nonsense!  When I was a kid, I read books written by UK authors and had no
> trouble figuring such things out.  In fact, I ended up loving some UK

Yes, I also was influenced by UK writers, but regardless of whether or
not American children are 'easily confused', what bugs me at times is
the impression given by some that the US versions are somehow...
inferior or the alterations are *severly* distracting, which is
possible to other countries but not necessarily to the audience which
the version is being marketed.  In other words, I find the negativity
towards the US versions does get... tiring.


> Am I right in thinking that they didn't do that with OOTP?  

Yes, OOTP was left in its original form.  Heh, 'jumper' threw me for a
little bit since Americans use that word to associate a different
article of clothing.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 15:41:35 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:41:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <005501c5773c$788e6c30$6c00a8c0@leeannlaptop>
References: <005501c5773c$788e6c30$6c00a8c0@leeannlaptop>
Message-ID: <1a2738400506220841317ed212@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/22/05, Leeann McCullough <libtax10375 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Dina wrote:    *Giant Snip*   Going back to the audiobooks, am I the only one amused when folk
> reference 'reading' in relationship to audiobooks?

> I'm sure Dina is not slamming those who prefer audio books, but I wanted to point out something.

I'm not and I'm quite dumbfounded by how anyone can come to that
conclusion.  I actually like the audio books since I'm developing an
attention disorder with longer reading material and I've never read
all the books.  I make the distinction by saying I've *listened* to
all the books.

Put it this way: if someone said they were 'listening' to music by
watching folks play instruments but couldn't hear or feel any
vibrations, then I'd find the term ironic by association from
everything I was taught.

Dina



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 22 15:48:22 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:48:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fwd: [HPforGrownups] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050622082527da006f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c57741$d2701eb0$0400a8c0@pensive>

Dina,

Yes, I also was influenced by UK writers, but regardless of whether or
not American children are 'easily confused', what bugs me at times is
the impression given by some that the US versions are somehow...
inferior or the alterations are *severly* distracting, which is
possible to other countries but not necessarily to the audience which
the version is being marketed.  In other words, I find the negativity
towards the US versions does get... tiring.

Sherry now
I agree with you on that one.  Every once in a while, someone makes a
comment that seems to imply the US version is inferior, and that irritates
me.  After all, it is the same book, just with a few words modified.  It
doesn't detract from the story in any way.

Sherry




From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 22 15:56:21 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:56:21 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400506220841317ed212@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003501c57742$efda86b0$0400a8c0@pensive>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dina Lerret
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:42 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Audio Books


On 6/22/05, Leeann McCullough <libtax10375 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Dina wrote:    *Giant Snip*   Going back to the audiobooks, am I the only
one amused when folk
> reference 'reading' in relationship to audiobooks?

> I'm sure Dina is not slamming those who prefer audio books, but I wanted
to point out something.

I'm not and I'm quite dumbfounded by how anyone can come to that
conclusion.  I actually like the audio books since I'm developing an
attention disorder with longer reading material and I've never read
all the books.  I make the distinction by saying I've *listened* to
all the books.

Put it this way: if someone said they were 'listening' to music by
watching folks play instruments but couldn't hear or feel any
vibrations, then I'd find the term ironic by association from
everything I was taught.

Dina

Sherry now:

hi Dina,

Let me give you some perspective from one who must by necessity "read" audio
books.  It is a very important distinction to most of us who are blind, that
we read by audio.  Very few things are available in Braille, and a very low
percentage of blind people read braille anyway.  We also use terms like
"watch TV" "see you later" "look at that."  To us, reading is reading no
matter how you do that reading.  It doesn't necessarily need to be done by
the eyes or the fingers for that matter.  Many of us have often had people
imply--which I absolutely understand you were not--that only visual reading
is truly reading and that audio reading is somehow inferior.  Yet blind
people have earned their doctorates by using audio books and sighted readers
and other options like that.  So, though obviously, we are in truth
listening to a book, to us it is indeed reading the book, and it's important
to us to think of it that way.

I'm not sure if that makes a lot of sense the way I've tried to explain it.
It's so basic to me, that I'm not sure how to express it.  Again, i know you
weren't implying that listening is inferior.  I just wanted to try to
explain how some people will consider listening to be reading even though it
is with our ears.

Did it make sense at all?

And is anyone else getting double messages on this list?  Suddenly, just a
while ago, every message I get on OT-chatter is coming in twos.

Sherry




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 16:25:11 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:25:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <003501c57742$efda86b0$0400a8c0@pensive>
References: <1a2738400506220841317ed212@mail.gmail.com>
	 <003501c57742$efda86b0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <1a273840050622092569bc7773@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/22/05, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I'm not sure if that makes a lot of sense the way I've tried to explain it.
> It's so basic to me, that I'm not sure how to express it.  Again, i know you
> weren't implying that listening is inferior.  I just wanted to try to
> explain how some people will consider listening to be reading even though it
> is with our ears.
> 
> Did it make sense at all?

{sigh}  I'm going on four hours of sleep and I really do feel like
doing a *head desk* right about now.  I understand where you're coming
from but it still doesn't translate that a large percentage of folk
I've encountered think (how I was taught) there is a *distinction*
when communicating to a larger audience:

reading: using your eyes or touch sensory
listening: using audio sensory or touch

I find irony in the wording just as I find irony in a gal saying she
thinks rocks 'sexy' because she's a geologist and her definition of
'sexy' is something that arouses excitement and it may not be of a
sexual nature.

Dina



From entropymail at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 22 16:53:59 2005
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:59 -0000
Subject: Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <003501c57742$efda86b0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <d9c537+nqvt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes"
<sherriola at e...> wrote:

> On 6/22/05, Leeann McCullough <libtax10375 at e...> wrote:
> > Dina wrote:    *Giant Snip*   Going back to the audiobooks, am I
the only
> one amused when folk
> > reference 'reading' in relationship to audiobooks?




I just wanted to mention that Half.com has some great prices on
audiobooks.  For instance, I just saw OOP on CD for about $22 (I
believe it retails for $75).  OOP on cassette starts at about $12.
Some of them are used, some like new, and some are shrink-wrapped
brand new.

:: Entropy ::





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 22 21:19:50 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:19:50 -0000
Subject: Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <d9c537+nqvt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9cklm+ge22@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" 
<entropymail at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes"
> <sherriola at e...> wrote:
> 
> > On 6/22/05, Leeann McCullough <libtax10375 at e...> wrote:
> > > Dina wrote:    *Giant Snip*   Going back to the audiobooks, am 
I the only one amused when folk reference 'reading' in relationship 
to audiobooks?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I just wanted to mention that Half.com has some great prices on
> audiobooks.  For instance, I just saw OOP on CD for about $22 (I
> believe it retails for $75).  OOP on cassette starts at about $12.
> Some of them are used, some like new, and some are shrink-wrapped
> brand new.
> 
> :: Entropy ::

*****\(@@)/*****

Thanks Entropy! I will check that out. I already have all the HP but 
I am always on the lookout for other audio books. I read as well as 
listen to the books - mostly when I am driving - that way I get 
more "book" time! Right now I am reading the Bartemaeus Trilogy by 
Jonathan Stroud (recommended by others on this list, thanks all for 
a great read!), listening to Girl With a Pearl Earring at work and I 
listen to The Good Earth in the car to and from work! I regard the 
audio books like a good storyteller you are sitting with who is 
relating a wonderful tale. It makes me feel like I am part of the 
story. Also I find it easier to pick up the hints and possible 
future clues in Hp by listening. I love books no matter what form 
they come in, period!

Dudemom_2000 (who is awaiting HBP, The Inheritance, The Big Over 
Easy, and the Historian to all come in their turn from Amazon!)

*****\(@@)/*****

  





From seuferer at netins.net  Wed Jun 22 22:30:23 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:30:23 -0000
Subject: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <002e01c57741$d2701eb0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <d9copv+100re@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" 
<sherriola at e...> wrote:
> Sherry now
> I agree with you on that one.  Every once in a while, someone makes a
> comment that seems to imply the US version is inferior, and that 
irritates
> me.  After all, it is the same book, just with a few words 
modified.  It
> doesn't detract from the story in any way.
> 
> Sherry


I just wanted to poke my nose in here where it probably doesn't belong 
and add my .02, for what it's worth.

I am a born and bred Iowa girl, U.S.A.  Yankee through and through.  
heh.  I have all of the Harry Potter books in each of the following 
forms:  US Hardback, US paperback (to write in/make notes) UK Adult 
artwork Hardback, and both US and UK versions in unabriged Audio CD.

You really have to be listening/reading closely to catch the 
variations, and while I personally find them interesting, I agree that 
I get a teensy bit of a 'ruffled feathers' feeling when someone 
implies that the US version is inferior or dumbed down.  Now, 
honestly, I think they could SKIP those alterations and leave it 
exactly the same and we'd figure it out.  Is there anyone here who 
can't find out that a "jumper" is a "sweater" or 
that "trainers=sneakers" or that hoover=vacuum?  The differences are 
minute.  

One difference did make me laugh.  In OotP when Fred and George are 
blithely talking about how they managed to keep their spirits up 
during their O.W.L.'s--the British version says "We managed to keep 
our peckers up somehow."  Which of course has entirely DIFFERENT 
connotations in the U.S., at least where I come from.  heh.  "pecker" 
is a slang word around here for male genitalia.  *giggle*

On a related note, I find Jim Dale's reading of the American version 
to be more pleasant to listen to, over-all than Stephen Fry's reading 
of the UK version. The UK audio cd's are formatted better, with some 
interesting special effects such as echo-y sounding voices from the 
Pensieve and such.  But Jim Dale has a broader vocal range.  They both 
give each character a distinctive 'voice' and expression, but Dale 
just has a broader range of voices.  Dale also gives McGonagall a 
thick scottish brogue that Fry does not, and he also SINGS all the 
mentioned 'songs' in the book in a very fun manner.  I often catch 
myself singing "Weasley is Our King" or "His eyes are as green as a 
fresh pickled toad" along with him.  Fry merely reads the words.

On the other hand, Stephen Fry does Snape's voice much better, 
according to what I think Snape should sound like--and because Snape 
is my favorite character of the lot, this weighs heavily in his 
favor.  heh.  I listen to them while doing housework or driving, 
chronologicaly, and when I complete one 'version' I switch to the 
other.  They are both good, just in different ways.

heh.  "What a waste of parchment" to eventually say, "I agree with 
you."

Shanti





From seuferer at netins.net  Wed Jun 22 22:30:40 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:30:40 -0000
Subject: New Chapter Lost Souls Found
Message-ID: <d9coqg+9f1k@eGroups.com>

Lost Souls Found, Chapter 43: Nuptials 

At last we see the wedding of Remus and Tonks?from the perspective 
of Severus and Rowena.  I agonized over Severus' "best man" speech 
for ages, but I am actually pleased with the result.  I wanted him 
to be `funny', or at least make a snarky comment about how he 
doesn't "do" humor, but the Snape in my head was appalled with the 
result every time.  The few paragraphs of the `speech' alone 
represent days of agonizing, deleting and re-writing.  What exists 
here met the approval of my internal Severus.  I hope it meets yours.

Reprise the summary: 

Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. After OotP so 
loads of spoilers for that book, but before Half Blood Prince; so AU 
to that book when it arrives.  Voldemort is out in the open, Snape 
is involved in DE activities because of his OotP Spy role.  A 
researcher from Ministry offers to aid and assist Dumbledore and is 
reacquainted with our Potion's Master whom she knew slightly from 
school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way too much plot for those of 
you who want PWP.) WIP Rated NC-17 for romantic/sexual content in 
later chapters as well as some graphic/mature dealings with the 
horrors of a Magical War.  Overall a romance, but I do not pull any 
punches when it comes to dealing with Snape as a Death Eater to 
maintain his `cover'.  War is gruesome.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page (see my cute 
family?and my hubby who has not cut his hair since HBP-release date 
was announced, just for me so he can dress as Snape for the book 
party!! What a guy! /vbg/)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/authors.php?no=13713  Author Page at 
AFN
http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

For this chapter I had a great deal of help from the folks at the 
HP_Britglish on British wedding traditions.  You can see the topic 
and their wonderful answers here:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_britglish/117719.html

They were extremely friendly, helpful and very quick with their 
responses.  I recommend `lurking' that group just for fun if you are 
a HP fanfic writer?I learn all sorts of interesting things there.

A special thank you to Lady Claire who is helping me with some 
German translations I want to use between Severus and Katrina, to 
Surgical Steel who has helped me a great deal with authentic Texan 
material, and to Hermaania Malfoy and WitchEcho who have begun the 
process of going back through the entire fic and Brit-Picking for 
me!  Yay!  I am not, at this time, going back and DOING the repairs, 
as I focus on getting the fic done before HBP comes out, and 
fortunately they all seem to be relatively minor without detracting 
from the overall story.  

If you are interested, I am keeping a `running list' of known-fix-
needs here:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/weasleyfan/10155.html?nc=17

I am always grateful for comments, critiques, constructive 
criticism, etc. 

Hope you enjoy the chapter!
Shanti






From paulined at optushome.com.au  Thu Jun 23 00:14:41 2005
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:14:41 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9copv+100re@eGroups.com>
References: <002e01c57741$d2701eb0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050623100349.01fbc740@mail.optushome.com.au>


>during their O.W.L.'s--the British version says "We managed to keep
>our peckers up somehow."  Which of course has entirely DIFFERENT
>connotations in the U.S., at least where I come from.  heh.  "pecker"
>is a slang word around here for male genitalia.  *giggle*

LOL - They probably managed to do that too.  I have nothing against the US 
versions, but wouldn't call the original works the "UK version", because 
they are not.  They are just the Harry Potter books as written.

>On a related note, I find Jim Dale's reading of the American version
>to be more pleasant to listen to, over-all than Stephen Fry's reading
>of the UK version.

I agree.  I listened to the Jim Dale ones first, and assumed Stephen would 
do a better job, but now having listened to both agree with what you said 
about McGonnagal being Scottish, and to me Stephen Fry's Hermione sounds 
slightly like a female impersonator.  LOL

The audiobooks have been my saviour.  I read the first 4 books to my son in 
2000 with his 4yo sister listening in for the most part.  She became so 
entranced with the series I would have completely lost my voice if I had to 
read them to her as much as she wanted to listen to them.  We listen to 
them in the car, before bed etc. And she is the expert in all those little 
details that we can't quite remember.   With only have read about half a 
page of the series.   I must put my order in with amazon for the next 
one.  I guess they will be the most reliable and cheapest way to get one 
fast in Australia.

It does feel to us like having the book read by a friend who is wonderfully 
gifted at bringing the story to life.

>On the other hand, Stephen Fry does Snape's voice much better,
>according to what I think Snape should sound like--and because Snape
>is my favorite character of the lot, this weighs heavily in his
>favor.

Yes, absolutely.  Ahhhh imagine having Alan Rickman read Snape.  It would 
be cool to have the books read by the actors who portray the characters on 
screen.

Love Pauline


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 00:35:30 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:35:30 -0000
Subject: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050623100349.01fbc740@mail.optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <d9d04i+36s1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Pauline <paulined at o...> 
wrote:
> 
<Big Snip> 

> Yes, absolutely.  Ahhhh imagine having Alan Rickman read Snape.  
It would be cool to have the books read by the actors who portray 
the characters on screen.
> 
> Love Pauline
> 
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

Try His Dark Materials by Phillip Pullman - they are read by a cast 
and it is probably one of the absolute best audio books I have ever 
heard. Enders Game by Orson Scott Card is also of the same caliber...

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/******







From joseph at kirtland.com  Thu Jun 23 01:31:31 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:31:31 -0000
Subject: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9copv+100re@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9d3dj+5ibs@eGroups.com>

Interestingly, the harmless meaning of keeping your pecker up (staying
happy, keeping courage, etc) is *before* the offensive slang meaning
in an American (Webster) dictionary as well.  (However, one might
place a relationship between happiness or courage and the slang
meaning - perverted mind, perhaps.)  

Joe

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <seuferer at n...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" 

> One difference did make me laugh.  In OotP when Fred and George are 
> blithely talking about how they managed to keep their spirits up 
> during their O.W.L.'s--the British version says "We managed to keep 
> our peckers up somehow."  Which of course has entirely DIFFERENT 
> connotations in the U.S., at least where I come from.  heh.  "pecker" 
> is a slang word around here for male genitalia.  *giggle*







From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 02:07:35 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:07:35 -0000
Subject: New Chapter Lost Souls Found
In-Reply-To: <d9coqg+9f1k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9d5h7+un61@eGroups.com>

Sorry for the stupid question, but what is Lost Souls Found? Is it 
fanfictin?

Juli








From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 09:24:28 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:24:28 -0000
Subject: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9copv+100re@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>

Shanti:
> I am a born and bred Iowa girl, U.S.A.  Yankee through and through.  
> heh.  I have all of the Harry Potter books in each of the following 
> forms:  US Hardback, US paperback (to write in/make notes) UK Adult 
> artwork Hardback, and both US and UK versions in unabriged Audio CD.

catkind: Just - wow. There's a true fan. Do other people do this? I
only have one copy of the books, paperback up to GoF and hardback OotP
because I couldn't wait.  And the films on DVD I suppose. But I'm
assuming you have those too :-)

ck





From catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 23 11:49:52 2005
From: catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk (Charlie Jones)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:49:52 -0000
Subject: Has anyone seen Batman Begins yet?
Message-ID: <d9e7l0+qa91@eGroups.com>

If not I urge you to go. It's a really great movie, it's darker than 
the old ones and many Batfans have dubbed it as being the definitive on 
screen representation of Batman. It's a bit more...intellecutual than 
the old movies (which it's not connected to, BB is a restart, not the 
prequel that the media keep claiming it to be, meaning whatever 
happened in the old movies isn't in continuity anymore and never 
happened). Parents be warned against taking the younger tykes, though, 
this movie is very intense and complex so I don't know if anyone under 
about seven would like it. For those who love action, though, it's an 
awesome ride. I've been twice already and I'm really tempted to go 
again.

Take care,
Charlie.





From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 23 12:56:08 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 05:56:08 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c577f2$ed468560$0400a8c0@pensive>

catkind: Just - wow. There's a true fan. Do other people do this? I
only have one copy of the books, paperback up to GoF and hardback OotP
because I couldn't wait.  And the films on DVD I suppose. But I'm
assuming you have those too :-)

ck

Sherry

I don't know of lots do, but I sure do.  Let's see, I have everything on
cassette and in braille, plain text on my computer, and I've also got OOTP,
the audio version as an MP3 file to listen to on the computer.  I'd like to
have all the books on CD, so I could make MP3 files of them all.  I have
ordered HBP in braille and CD already.  Oh, yes, I also have the books in
something called web Braille, which is digital braille through the national
library service for the blind, that we can download to special reading or
braille note taking computer devices.  Someday, when I have more room, I
will also get print copies of them, because I love print books.  and when I
get a scanner someday, I'll be able to scan them and read them that way as
well.

So, yeah, I'd say I'm obsessed.

Sherry




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 14:07:35 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Has anyone seen Batman Begins yet?
In-Reply-To: <d9e7l0+qa91@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050623140735.35091.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I saw it last weekend....really good movie.  I'd love to see them go from
here and take on the other villans, as long as they stay in this
movie-style.  I have to admit, I spend way too much time watching a movie
picking it apart, looking for things that don't make sense, but even those
things I found to criticize weren't enough to make me not like the movie. 


Very good movie.

MJ

--- Charlie Jones <catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> If not I urge you to go. It's a really great movie, it's darker than 
> the old ones and many Batfans have dubbed it as being the definitive on 
> screen representation of Batman. It's a bit more...intellecutual than 
> the old movies (which it's not connected to, BB is a restart, not the 
> prequel that the media keep claiming it to be, meaning whatever 
> happened in the old movies isn't in continuity anymore and never 
> happened). Parents be warned against taking the younger tykes, though, 
> this movie is very intense and complex so I don't know if anyone under 
> about seven would like it. For those who love action, though, it's an 
> awesome ride. I've been twice already and I'm really tempted to go 
> again.
> 
> Take care,
> Charlie.
> 
> 
> 


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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 14:09:31 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050623140931.14634.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a set in hardback and a set in paperback that I keep in my office. 
I write in the paperbacks, highlighting stuff and making notes.  

I don't have any audio versions, though.  

btw, I'm a Kentucky girl living in Nashville.  :)

MJ

--- cat_kind <cat_kind at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Shanti:
> > I am a born and bred Iowa girl, U.S.A.  Yankee through and through.  
> > heh.  I have all of the Harry Potter books in each of the following 
> > forms:  US Hardback, US paperback (to write in/make notes) UK Adult 
> > artwork Hardback, and both US and UK versions in unabriged Audio CD.
> 
> catkind: Just - wow. There's a true fan. Do other people do this? I
> only have one copy of the books, paperback up to GoF and hardback OotP
> because I couldn't wait.  And the films on DVD I suppose. But I'm
> assuming you have those too :-)
> 
> ck
> 
> 
> 


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From catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 23 14:19:58 2005
From: catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk (Charlie Jones)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:19:58 -0000
Subject: Has anyone seen Batman Begins yet?
In-Reply-To: <20050623140735.35091.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d9egee+k7pq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> I saw it last weekend....really good movie.  I'd love to see them 
go from
> here and take on the other villans, as long as they stay in this
> movie-style.  I have to admit, I spend way too much time watching a 
movie
> picking it apart, looking for things that don't make sense, but 
even those
> things I found to criticize weren't enough to make me not like the 
movie. 

Agreed, I hope they stay in the same style. I don't think I could 
stand to see this new franchise go the way of the horrible Batman & 
Robin and the almost as bad Batman Forever. My only complaint about 
this movie was Katie Holme's character was bland and not really 
needed. Instead of her, they should've used Harvey Dent for the DA, 
he would've been far more interesting. But Warner Bros seems to think 
there HAS to be a female love interest. I wouldn't have minded so 
much, but they could've used one of the girls from the comics instead 
of making up the Rachel character from scratch. That's my only real 
nitpick with the film, though. It's pretty much perfect.

Take care,
Charlie.





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 14:26:06 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <d9egee+k7pq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050623142607.90033.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not that I'm obsessed or anything.... :-) ..... but Christian Bale,
especially when his hair was long at the beginning of the movie, is the
image I have of Sirius as he's described in the books, especially the
young handsome Sirius in Snape's pensieve scene.  As much as I really
enjoyed Gary Oldham's performance in PoA, he just isn't (to me) pretty
enough to fit how I see Sirius.  

Not that I spent the whole Batman Begins movie thinking about Harry Potter
or anything.......   :)

MJ

--- Charlie Jones <catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
> wrote:
> > I saw it last weekend....really good movie.  I'd love to see them 
> go from
> > here and take on the other villans, as long as they stay in this
> > movie-style.  I have to admit, I spend way too much time watching a 
> movie
> > picking it apart, looking for things that don't make sense, but 
> even those
> > things I found to criticize weren't enough to make me not like the 
> movie. 
> 
> Agreed, I hope they stay in the same style. I don't think I could 
> stand to see this new franchise go the way of the horrible Batman & 
> Robin and the almost as bad Batman Forever. My only complaint about 
> this movie was Katie Holme's character was bland and not really 
> needed. Instead of her, they should've used Harvey Dent for the DA, 
> he would've been far more interesting. But Warner Bros seems to think 
> there HAS to be a female love interest. I wouldn't have minded so 
> much, but they could've used one of the girls from the comics instead 
> of making up the Rachel character from scratch. That's my only real 
> nitpick with the film, though. It's pretty much perfect.
> 
> Take care,
> Charlie.
> 
> 
> 


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From theotokos_8679 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 23 15:17:36 2005
From: theotokos_8679 at sbcglobal.net (theotokos)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623142607.90033.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050623151736.3890.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>

Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote: Not that I'm obsessed or anything.... :-) ..... but Christian Bale,
especially when his hair was long at the beginning of the movie, is the
image I have of Sirius as he's described in the books, especially the
young handsome Sirius in Snape's pensieve scene. As much as I really
enjoyed Gary Oldham's performance in PoA, he just isn't (to me) pretty
enough to fit how I see Sirius. 

 
I completely agree!  I like Gary Oldham just fine but he is not handsome by any means.  JKR said [paraphrasing] Yes, Sirius is sexy--or maybe it was handsome.  Christian Bale would have been perfect, but alas he is not British.  Wait, is Gary?
 
theotokos



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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 15:32:15 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] speaking of british speak -- question re:  money
In-Reply-To: <20050623151736.3890.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050623153215.69162.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I watched Vera Drake last night and I have a question about money.  At one
point, a woman says she was told "two pounds" and another woman replies
that the first woman is incorrect, it's "two guineas."  American that I
am, I've always assumed when I've read British novels that a pound WAS a
guinea.  What's the difference in amount of money?

Thanks!


MJ


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From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 15:41:04 2005
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:41:04 -0000
Subject: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9el6g+82o6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cat_kind" <cat_kind at y...> wrote:
> catkind: Just - wow. There's a true fan. Do other people do this? I
> only have one copy of the books, paperback up to GoF and hardback OotP
> because I couldn't wait.  And the films on DVD I suppose. But I'm
> assuming you have those too :-)

Well, let's see. I've only got each of the books -- US version only,
and the films on DVD. Luckily, though, the NY Public Library has been
supplying us with a constant stream of audiobooks, so I haven't felt
the need to go out and purchase any of them yet. 

Don't know what my oldest would do without them! He listens to them
while he's eating breakfast, writing, drawing, building -- even while
taking a bath. Luckily, this hasn't disuaded him from reading the
books as well. Poor thing is always lugging around one or another of
the HP books along with his usual overload of textbooks!

:: Entropy ::






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Thu Jun 23 15:46:31 2005
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:46:31 EDT
Subject: Charlie/Batman
Message-ID: <8a.2977ab01.2fec3357@aol.com>

Hi Charlie,

And a belated welcome to the list!  I lurk mostly.  Working from home and 
single-parenting doesn't afford afford me opportunity for much more than that I'm 
afraid.  :)

Thanks for the Batman info.  I haven't seen it yet, but would like to ... 
especially after reading your appraisal of it.  My son is six, and I wasn't sure 
if it was appropriate for him.  I see by your description that it probably is 
not, so thank you for that.  I'm not even sure he will see GoF when it hits 
theaters in November.  I may go first and then if I think he can handle it, take 
him later.  He's as much a fan as I, and, if it's ok for him, I'll have a 
chance to see it twice!  LOL  Like I need an excuse.  ;)

Elizabeth





* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004


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From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 15:50:45 2005
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:50:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>
References: <d9copv+100re@eGroups.com> <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4a040d0506230850579b1c3f@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/23/05, cat_kind <cat_kind at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Shanti:
> > I am a born and bred Iowa girl, U.S.A.  Yankee through and through.  
> > heh.  I have all of the Harry Potter books in each of the following 
> > forms:  US Hardback, US paperback (to write in/make notes) UK Adult 
> > artwork Hardback, and both US and UK versions in unabriged Audio CD.
> 
> catkind: Just - wow. There's a true fan. Do other people do this? I
> only have one copy of the books, paperback up to GoF and hardback OotP
> because I couldn't wait.  And the films on DVD I suppose. But I'm
> assuming you have those too :-)
> 
> ck
> 
> Tonya
I do-- If it is Harry Potter I probably have at least 2 of it.  Books,
versions, Audio I have tapes and Cd's, clothing, mousepads, movies,
paper, wands, games, toys, other nicknacks, I don't think I will go
on....I don't wnat you to think I need counseling.

Tonya  *grin*



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 16:29:21 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:29:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623151736.3890.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050623162921.62285.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com>



Marita Jan: 
..... but Christian Bale, especially when his hair was long at the beginning of the movie, is the image I have of Sirius as he's described in the books, especially the young handsome Sirius in Snape's pensieve scene. As much as I really enjoyed Gary Oldham's performance in PoA, he just isn't (to me) pretty enough to fit how I see Sirius. 


theotokos:
I completely agree!  I like Gary Oldham just fine but he is not handsome by any means.  JKR said [paraphrasing] Yes, Sirius is sexy--or maybe it was handsome.  Christian Bale would have been perfect, but alas he is not British.  Wait, is Gary?

Kemper:

Christian Bale was in Empire of the Sun when he was twelve-ish playing a British kid.  I haven't seen it years, but he sounded pretty British to this American non-Psycho.  And, again, Gary Oldman sounded pretty British playing Sid Vicious to this Sex Pistol.

Bale is a believable and refreshing Batman.  But Oldman's future-Commissioner Jim Gordon, was even better.

Kemper


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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 16:43:43 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:43:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: English/American Accents
In-Reply-To: <20050623162921.62285.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050623164343.17034.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- kemper mentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Kemper:
> 
> Christian Bale was in Empire of the Sun when he was twelve-ish playing a
> British kid.  I haven't seen it years, but he sounded pretty British to
> this American non-Psycho.  And, again, Gary Oldman sounded pretty
> British playing Sid Vicious to this Sex Pistol.
> 
> Bale is a believable and refreshing Batman.  But Oldman's
> future-Commissioner Jim Gordon, was even better.
> 
> Kemper



I just rented and watched I (heart) Huckabees and Jude Law did a very good
American accent.  If I hadn't known he wasn't American, I wouldn't have
known any different.   Much better than Renee Zellweger's British accent. 
:)

MJ



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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 17:15:26 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:15:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hermione in The Tennessean
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Hello again...geez, I've written more today than I have in a month!  

Hermione is featured in an article in today's local paper The Tennessean. 


The link is:

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050623/FEATURES01/506230304

Just thought it was a cute article.  

MJ


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From srbecca at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 17:54:08 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:54:08 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623162921.62285.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F30F437EBBBA530CF73EFE4A8EA0@phx.gbl>



>theotokos wrote:
>Christian Bale would have been perfect, but alas he is not British.


it just goes to show you how much better his american accent is getting.   
He's a total brit.  Good for him.  Fooling people into thinking he's 
American.  Watch Ring of Fire and you'll hear him in his real accent.  Other 
than viewing the accent the movie is alittle spotty.

I love christian bale..I think he's crazy good looking,,and I don't gush 
very often over actors.  Really they all look short or stupid. I also think 
he's a hard working actor and I apprieciate that.

By the way, I really liked him in Equilibrium with Emily Watson..if you 
haven't seen it you might enjoy it.

Everyone says Batman's good I just don't have much money now..I'll have to 
wait for video or something.

I do think CB is alittle too good looking for Sirius.  Only because he's 
suppossed to have the remnants of someone who was once very good looking.  
Someone a bit older.  Although I'm not sure who.

Gary was alright looking in his youth..I mean he was Dracula.  Plus he was a 
bit of a drinker and you can sort of see how it's had it's effect on his 
looks.

By the way, Gary is a brit.  I think he may be a bit Irish as well...not 
sure.





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 18:02:56 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F30F437EBBBA530CF73EFE4A8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050623180256.5988.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Rebecca Dreiling <srbecca at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I do think CB is alittle too good looking for Sirius.  Only because he's
> 
> suppossed to have the remnants of someone who was once very good
> looking.  
> Someone a bit older.  Although I'm not sure who.
> 


He looked absolutely wasted and ruined in The Machinist.  No sense in
recasting roles already done, I know, but I can completely see him as the
young and gorgeous Sirius and then as the Azkaban-wasted Sirius.  

Can you imagine the chaos if the studios let the fans have a vote in the
casting?!?  Everyone with their own idea of who'd make the perfect [fill
in the blank]?  




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From irishwynch at aol.com  Thu Jun 23 18:52:41 2005
From: irishwynch at aol.com (irishwynch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:52:41 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
Message-ID: <1dc.3f4f6ca4.2fec5ef9@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/23/05 9:30:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
kempermentor at yahoo.com writes:
Christian Bale was in Empire of the Sun when he was twelve-ish playing a 
British kid.  I haven't seen it years, but he sounded pretty British to this 
American non-Psycho.  And, again, Gary Oldman sounded pretty British playing Sid 
Vicious to this Sex Pistol.

Bale is a believable and refreshing Batman.  But Oldman's future-Commissioner 
Jim Gordon, was even better.

Kemper
Marla:

Christian Bale
Born  January 30, 1974
Pembrokeshire, West Wales


Gary Oldman
Born March 21, 1958
London, England

I've been a long time fan of both actors, especially Gary Oldman.  He has 
played so many diverse characters, all supremely


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 18:57:00 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:57:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623180256.5988.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY104-F30F437EBBBA530CF73EFE4A8EA0@phx.gbl>
	 <20050623180256.5988.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400506231157515ce7de@mail.gmail.com>

> --- Rebecca Dreiling <srbecca at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I do think CB is alittle too good looking for Sirius.  Only because he's
> >
> > suppossed to have the remnants of someone who was once very good
> > looking.
> > Someone a bit older.  Although I'm not sure who.

On 6/23/05, Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> He looked absolutely wasted and ruined in The Machinist.  No sense in
> recasting roles already done, I know, but I can completely see him as the
> young and gorgeous Sirius and then as the Azkaban-wasted Sirius.

Agreed, when you think back to the description of Sirius being thin
enough to fit through the tower window, Bale was shockingly
thin--basically, he made 'death warmed over' look good.

I also enjoyed Equilibrium, especially with a dash of Sean Bean.  The
action effects/sequences were very interesting to watch but the
overall storyline was... eh (another future gone bad movie).

Dina



From catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 23 19:12:11 2005
From: catwoman1683 at yahoo.co.uk (Charlie Jones)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:12:11 -0000
Subject: Charlie/Batman
In-Reply-To: <8a.2977ab01.2fec3357@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d9f1ib+m6qj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> And a belated welcome to the list!  I lurk mostly.  Working from 
home and 
> single-parenting doesn't afford afford me opportunity for much more 
than that I'm 
> afraid.  :)
> 
> Thanks for the Batman info.  I haven't seen it yet, but would like 
to ... 
> especially after reading your appraisal of it.  My son is six, and 
I wasn't sure 
> if it was appropriate for him.  I see by your description that it 
probably is 
> not, so thank you for that.  I'm not even sure he will see GoF when 
it hits 
> theaters in November.  I may go first and then if I think he can 
handle it, take 
> him later.  He's as much a fan as I, and, if it's ok for him, I'll 
have a 
> chance to see it twice!  LOL  Like I need an excuse.  ;)
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
Hi, nice to meet you. I don't know how fit I am to judge how suitable 
things are for children, not having any of my own and no real 
experience with kids...I'm mostly going by how I was at that age 
(saying that, though, I saw Tim Burton's Batman and Batman Returns 
when I was about eight and I coped fine, in fact I became completely 
obssessed!) and  what I would be comfortable with *if* I had 
children. I think it all depends on the child in question, really, 
what they can handle, and what their own parents think. Screening it 
before hand is a good idea, probably something I'd do. :-)

And about Bale's accent, I met him in person at the London premiere 
of BB (after nearly nine hours of waiting outside the Odeon in the 
cold with no food, drink or bathroom breaks!) and when he spoke to me 
he sounded pretty American then. From what I've red he's lived in 
America for ten years. But he is English, though...watch "Empire Of 
The Sun" - he's a kid there but has his own British accent in it. 
That's another good movie, by the way.

Take care,
Charlie.





From srbecca at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 19:43:26 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:43:26 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400506231157515ce7de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F20999EC6545002C4AC4EA6A8EA0@phx.gbl>

Dina Lerret:
The
>action effects/sequences were very interesting to watch but the
>overall storyline was... eh (another future gone bad movie).


Yeah I guess the story was not exactly original but, some good acting all 
around.  I really enjoyed the action, very dance like movements..like 
fencing. I thought that aspect of it was interesting.

The same way I love to watch movies like Crouching Tiger and House of Flying 
Daggers.  These actors are truly talented.  They are the Fred Astaires of 
the new generation.  Actors who can act and dance/fight.   I'm not saying 
Keanu is in any way a part of this group..I just think some actors are very 
gifted physically..it's hard work.  Someone like Chow Yun Fat..the things he 
does on film are very hard and he is an excellent actor (not to mention the 
fact that these hong kong actors have to learn to speak english as well)

A bit of a tangent I know.

There are many people I would love to recast in the HP movies.  Alas, it is 
not my private world to control. :)

I love Emma Thompson, just adore her, but I don't think she was all that 
great as Trelawney.  I pictured someone totally differnent.  Thinner, more 
bug eyed and whispy.





From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 20:14:42 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:14:42 -0000
Subject: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623142607.90033.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d9f57i+pjj8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> Not that I'm obsessed or anything.... :-) ..... but Christian Bale,
> especially when his hair was long at the beginning of the movie, is 
the
> image I have of Sirius as he's described in the books, especially the
> young handsome Sirius in Snape's pensieve scene.  As much as I really
> enjoyed Gary Oldham's performance in PoA, he just isn't (to me) 
pretty
> enough to fit how I see Sirius.  
> 
> Not that I spent the whole Batman Begins movie thinking about Harry 
Potter
> or anything.......   :)
> 
> MJ
> 

YES!!!! Christian Bale *IS* Sirius. Both sexy (very sexy actually), 
they come from wealthy families, I have been trying for months to get 
a picture of someone who I saw as Sirius, and the person that fits the 
image is Christian Bale. I saw once at Mugglenet an old picture of 
Gary Oldman with long hair, and looking pretty sexy, but now he seems 
a bit old to me. In GoF Sirius is supposed to be around 35, right? and 
he looks 50! By the way, has anyone seen a picture of Sirius/Oldman in 
GoF?

Also there's a new chat on The Leaky Cauldron extremely cool, you 
should check it out

Juli - only 23 days left!





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 20:16:44 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:16:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F20999EC6545002C4AC4EA6A8EA0@phx.gbl>
References: <1a2738400506231157515ce7de@mail.gmail.com>
	 <BAY104-F20999EC6545002C4AC4EA6A8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1a2738400506231316588ac1c9@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/23/05, Rebecca Dreiling <srbecca at hotmail.com> wrote:

> There are many people I would love to recast in the HP movies.  Alas, it is
> not my private world to control. :)
> 
> I love Emma Thompson, just adore her, but I don't think she was all that
> great as Trelawney.  I pictured someone totally differnent.  Thinner, more
> bug eyed and whispy.

Agreed, I tend to visualize the majority of HP's wizards and
witches... as being poster models for anorexic Hollywood. ;-)  Well,
maybe not that bad but I theorized they must have a better metabolism
as a result of magical output.

Speaking of Emma Thompson, as much as I enjoyed Kenneth Branagh (sp?)
in COS, he just gave off an impression of being too smart for the
role--sorry to the Lockhart fans but I always visualized him as being
a bit of an 'airhead'.

Dina



From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 20:19:51 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <d9f57i+pjj8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050623201951.84937.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- jlnbtr <jlnbtr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> By the way, has anyone seen a picture of Sirius/Oldman in 
> GoF?
> 
> Also there's a new chat on The Leaky Cauldron extremely cool, you 
> should check it out
> 


I think I remember reading that Oldman didn't have a big part in GoF, in
fact, I think I remember that he only shows up as the head in the fire,
which is computer generated.   Not sure where I read that, though.

MJ

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 20:21:05 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:21:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <d9f57i+pjj8@eGroups.com>
References: <20050623142607.90033.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	 <d9f57i+pjj8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050623132156b0acf3@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/23/05, jlnbtr <jlnbtr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Gary Oldman with long hair, and looking pretty sexy, but now he seems
> a bit old to me. In GoF Sirius is supposed to be around 35, right? and
> he looks 50! By the way, has anyone seen a picture of Sirius/Oldman in
> GoF?

I guess they're trying to be consistent about the ages for 'Marauder'
era students: all way older than canon. {g}  Ironically, Jason Isaacs
is the youngest--I think--and the character, Lucius Malfoy, is suppose
to be older than the 'Marauder' era students.

Dina



From amis917 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 18:17:55 2005
From: amis917 at hotmail.com (amis917)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:17:55 -0000
Subject: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9eucj+gnbr@eGroups.com>

Shanti:
I am a born and bred Iowa girl, U.S.A.  Yankee through and through. 
heh.  I have all of the Harry Potter books in each of the following 
forms: US Hardback, US paperback (to write in/make notes) UK Adult 
artwork Hardback, and both US and UK versions in unabriged Audio CD.


catkind: Just - wow. There's a true fan. Do other people do this? 


Amie:
I, sadly to say, don't. I don't even personally own any of the books! 
My brother has all of the books and I just borrow his. I only own SS 
on DVD (I got it as a gift) and I just three days ago bought PoA on 
VHS (only $5 at Walmart - I couldn't pass it up!). I am going to be 
buying my own copy of HBP. I need my own copy. :) I'm most likely 
going to be doing a 12am run to whatever local store is open and 
selling books!! 

I am looking into getting the auido books or the books in Spanish. 
Both options are alittle pricey, so I've been shopping around online 
for a great deal. 

~Amie








From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 20:32:31 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:32:31 -0000
Subject: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623201951.84937.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d9f68v+9m3d@eGroups.com>


> 
> I think I remember reading that Oldman didn't have a big part in 
GoF, in
> fact, I think I remember that he only shows up as the head in the 
fire,
> which is computer generated.   Not sure where I read that, though.
> 
> MJ
> 
It was on The Leaky Cauldron a few weeks ago, but still I'd like to 
see him, he must look BETTER than in PoA since Harry says something 
that he looked younger, with short hair, and smiled or something

Juli





From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 20:35:17 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:35:17 -0000
Subject: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050623132156b0acf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9f6e5+6h0c@eGroups.com>

> 
> I guess they're trying to be consistent about the ages for 'Marauder'
> era students: all way older than canon. {g}  Ironically, Jason Isaacs
> is the youngest--I think--and the character, Lucius Malfoy, is 
suppose
> to be older than the 'Marauder' era students.
> 
> Dina

During OoP, and article on the Daily Prophet said Lucius was 41... 
Sirius was around 22 when we was sent to Askaban (according to Jo's 
site), he spent there 12 years 8including one year hidden in 
Hogwarts), plus 2 years (Gof and OoP), it gets us 36 years.

Juli





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Jun 23 20:59:05 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:59:05 EDT
Subject: Ginnie Weasly/COS and Internet Safety for Children
Message-ID: <1c9.2b326d41.2fec7c99@aol.com>

I've been teaching students in grades 1-8 about Internet Safety for several  
years now and often compare  Ginnie's "pouring her heart out to a  stranger" 
in Riddle's diary to chatting with an online stranger.  
 
Recently, I included this idea in a weblog for teachers and school  
technology reps.
 
_http://4jtilt.typepad.com/weblog/07_lesson_plan_ideas/index.html_ 
(http://4jtilt.typepad.com/weblog/07_lesson_plan_ideas/index.html) 
 
Does anyone else see this connection? Or have more ideas that I could  
integrate?
 

Riddle even talks about listening to her "boring" thoughts just so she will  
trust him more. In safety-speak, this is called "grooming"--listening and  
agreeing just so someone will trust you more. 
 
Thanks!
---Mary


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From department.of.mysteries at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 22:04:04 2005
From: department.of.mysteries at gmail.com (Sarah Gipp)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:04:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ginnie Weasly/COS and Internet Safety for Children
In-Reply-To: <1c9.2b326d41.2fec7c99@aol.com>
References: <1c9.2b326d41.2fec7c99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a9844753050623150478e4bfea@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/23/05, Mhochberg at aol.com <Mhochberg at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>  I've been teaching students in grades 1-8 about Internet Safety for 
> several 
> years now and often compare Ginnie's "pouring her heart out to a stranger" 
> 
> in Riddle's diary to chatting with an online stranger. 
> 
> Recently, I included this idea in a weblog for teachers and school 
> technology reps.
> 
> _http://4jtilt.typepad.com/weblog/07_lesson_plan_ideas/index.html_ 
> (http://4jtilt.typepad.com/weblog/07_lesson_plan_ideas/index.html)<http://4jtilt.typepad.com/weblog/07_lesson_plan_ideas/index.html%29> 
> 
> Does anyone else see this connection? Or have more ideas that I could 
> integrate?
> 
> 
> Riddle even talks about listening to her "boring" thoughts just so she 
> will 
> trust him more. In safety-speak, this is called "grooming"--listening and 
> agreeing just so someone will trust you more. 

Yes, someone else definitely sees what you're talking about here - namely, 
JK Rowling herself:

<<<Rowling said she diary that villain Tom Riddle uses in book two to lure 
Harry into the Chamber of Secrets is like an internet chatroom.

JK said: "When I wrote that, I had never been in an internet chat room. It 
is very similar - typing your deepest thoughts into the ether and getting 
answers back.

"You don't know who is answering you."

The idea came from a childhood diary her younger sister, Dianne, confided 
in.>>>
 
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2003/0303-sundaymail-staff.htm
 
Before I'd read that, though, I'd thought it might have been a reference to 
the act of writing a story. I started out writing original fiction, and 
later discovered fanfiction. When I write (at least, the way I write) I put 
a lot of myself - my faults, my beliefs, arguments with myself - into 
stories, and so, while it's not really intentional, I can't help but feel 
sometimes that there's more of me in the stories than there is of me in 
*me.*
 
On the topic of internet safety, I'm glad it's being taught to younger kids. 
I babysit two girls who are in third and fifth grade (I think) and sometimes 
they tell me about all the stuff they do online and I start to worry, 
because while I know not to give out certain information, these girls are 
not me. I'm naturally paranoid, and they're, well, not. And sure, I've never 
encountered a pedophile (that I know) or gotten into any trouble online, but 
it's better to be safe than sorry, to be cliched. And people on the internet 
can be far, far creepier than one would think *possible.*
 
~Kaesa


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From theotokos_8679 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 23 22:04:11 2005
From: theotokos_8679 at sbcglobal.net (theotokos)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F30F437EBBBA530CF73EFE4A8EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050623220411.94362.qmail@web81606.mail.yahoo.com>

>theotokos wrote:
>Christian Bale would have been perfect, but alas he is not British.

 
Rebecca Dreiling 
it just goes to show you how much better his american accent is getting. 
He's a total brit. Good for him. Fooling people into thinking he's 
American. 

 
****Is he really?  I had no idea.  I first saw him in American Psycho (except for Empire of the Sun--but he was a kid).  I did see him in another movie set during the glam rock era but can't recall the name.  He had an accent in that.  Well, if that is the case then he should have been Sirius!

Rebecca Dreiling 
I love christian bale..I think he's crazy good looking,,and I don't gush 
very often over actors. Really they all look short or stupid. I also think 
he's a hard working actor and I apprieciate that.

****I totally agree.  He actually looks like my husband.  Prior to Amer. Psycho coming out, someone sent us a picture of him with a caption that went something like--Hey when did you take this pic.  It took us not a little time to realize it was NOT my husband, but was CB.
 
Rebecca Dreiling 
I do think CB is alittle too good looking for Sirius. Only because he's 
suppossed to have the remnants of someone who was once very good looking. 
Someone a bit older. Although I'm not sure who.

****Makeup can fix that and give him the shadows under his eyes and dirty up his hair.  Gary never was and can never be good looking.
 
Rebecca Dreiling 
Gary was alright looking in his youth..I mean he was Dracula. Plus he was a 
bit of a drinker and you can sort of see how it's had it's effect on his 
looks.

****Oops.  Don't mean to offend.  He just isn't my thing.  What I do like about GO is his ability to be so visually versatile in the characters he plays.
 
 



Theotokos

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From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 23:22:29 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:22:29 -0000
Subject: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623220411.94362.qmail@web81606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d9fg7l+gl2a@eGroups.com>

Call me crazy if you want, but I just uploaded a picture of Christian 
Bale as Sirius Black in PoA. Sorry for the quality, I'm not a designer 
or anything.

Juli





From k.coble at comcast.net  Thu Jun 23 16:14:36 2005
From: k.coble at comcast.net (Katherine Coble)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:14:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623151736.3890.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050623151736.3890.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29f82d6a853eecb26f729918bcac60ea@comcast.net>


On Jun 23, 2005, at 10:17 AM, theotokos wrote:

> Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote: Not that I'm obsessed or 
> anything.... :-) ..... but Christian Bale,
> especially when his hair was long at the beginning of the movie, is the
> image I have of Sirius as he's described in the books, especially the
> young handsome Sirius in Snape's pensieve scene. As much as I really
> enjoyed Gary Oldham's performance in PoA, he just isn't (to me) pretty
> enough to fit how I see Sirius.
>
>
> I completely agree!  I like Gary Oldham just fine but he is not 
> handsome by any means.  JKR said [paraphrasing] Yes, Sirius is 
> sexy--or maybe it was handsome.  Christian Bale would have been 
> perfect, but alas he is not British.  Wait, is Gary?
>
> theotokos
>

K:

By the way, forgot to add that Bale is indeed British.  He was born in 
Wales:

In the "Fresh Air with Terry Gross" radio interview first aired June 
13, 2005, he admitted to Gross that because Batman is "such an American 
icon," he had decided not to perform his promotional interviews for the 
movie Batman Begins (2005) in his natural mixed Welsh/British accent. 
He instead spoke to Gross in an almost-inflectionless mid-American 
accent, only revealing his dialectic roots with a few words.


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From k.coble at comcast.net  Thu Jun 23 15:56:51 2005
From: k.coble at comcast.net (Katherine Coble)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:56:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <20050623151736.3890.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050623151736.3890.qmail@web81608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03d0f0a1dd679da05960db5fa89881dd@comcast.net>

Gary is most definitely British.  He was
On Jun 23, 2005, at 10:17 AM, theotokos wrote:

> Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote: Not that I'm obsessed or 
> anything.... :-) ..... but Christian Bale,
> especially when his hair was long at the beginning of the movie, is the
> image I have of Sirius as he's described in the books, especially the
> young handsome Sirius in Snape's pensieve scene. As much as I really
> enjoyed Gary Oldham's performance in PoA, he just isn't (to me) pretty
> enough to fit how I see Sirius.
>
>
> I completely agree!  I like Gary Oldham just fine but he is not 
> handsome by any means.  JKR said [paraphrasing] Yes, Sirius is 
> sexy--or maybe it was handsome.  Christian Bale would have been 
> perfect, but alas he is not British.  Wait, is Gary?
>
> theotokos
>
>
K
Gary is most definitely British.  He was born in London, although he's 
lived in the US for the past several years.

I really think, as I read the books over and over, that JKR probably 
had Daniel Day Lewis in mind for Sirius.   Usually when DDL won't play 
a role they seem to get Gary, even though they're totally different, 
imo.




From richard at sc.lug.org.uk  Fri Jun 24 00:12:21 2005
From: richard at sc.lug.org.uk (richard_smedley)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:12:21 -0000
Subject: speaking of british speak -- question re:  money
In-Reply-To: <20050623153215.69162.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d9fj55+soln@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> wrote:
> 
> I watched Vera Drake last night and I have a question about money. 
At one
> point, a woman says she was told "two pounds" and another woman replies
> that the first woman is incorrect, it's "two guineas."  American that I
> am, I've always assumed when I've read British novels that a pound WAS a
> guinea.  What's the difference in amount of money?


Hi there,

Before decimalisation there were 20 shillings in a pound.
A guinea is 21 shillings. (iow a guinea is worth 5 per cent
more than a pound.)

Guineas are still used in a few places such as the bloodstock
market - and for racing prizes. In my local pub, if a round
came to, say, GBP10.50, the barman would probably ask for
ten guineas - but I know of no other barman who does this.

The Guinea was actually a gold coin issued in the 17th and
18th centuries. It's value varied with the price of gold until
it was fixed, early in the 18th century, at 21 bob (shillings).
A pound coin was called a sovereign, whereas pound notes are 
referred to as quids.

A shilling was made up of 12 pence, which meant that money
used to be so much easier to divide up between various
numbers of people than this decimal nonsense with which
we've been saddled :-/

 - Richard
(Still suffering from an unexpected 600 feet climb at the 
weekend, because I hadn't noticed that the guide book was 
in metres =^/  )

-- 

www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg
www.cymrux.org.uk - GNU/Linux Cymraeg ar un CD!





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Jun 24 00:20:31 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:20:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio Versions of the Books
References: <d9eucj+gnbr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c57852$8825fed0$69a4a8c0@musiclee>

I would be lost without my CD copies of the US Audios read by Jim Dale.

I am, however, desperately looking for the UK audios so, if anyone wants to 
lend with serious promise that no harm shall befall the CDs, write me off 
list.

I may not respond promptly as my computer is belly-up until I can get to a 
technician next week.  Right now, I'm using a very old computer running on 
XP even though it's not fully compatible...Gag!

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Putting head in hands and ready to cry...or something...) 




From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Jun 24 00:41:32 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:41:32 -0000
Subject: New Chapter Lost Souls Found
In-Reply-To: <d9d5h7+un61@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9fkrs+6bsq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
> Sorry for the stupid question, but what is Lost Souls Found? Is it 
> fanfictin?
> 
> Juli

heh, not stupid question at all, and yes it is a fanfiction. ;)





From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Jun 24 00:45:11 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:45:11 -0000
Subject: Audio Versions of the Books
In-Reply-To: <d9dv4c+l455@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9fl2n+q2bn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cat_kind" <cat_kind at y...> 
wrote:
> Shanti:
>> 
> catkind: Just - wow. There's a true fan. Do other people do this? I
> only have one copy of the books, paperback up to GoF and hardback 
OotP
> because I couldn't wait.  And the films on DVD I suppose. But I'm
> assuming you have those too :-)
> 
> ck

*lol*  

I don't know--I'm just obsessed.

For the record, I'm *book* canon-obsessed, and if not for the 
glorious Alan Rickman as Snape (whom I still think is slightly too 
old and slightly too good-looking to be a 'perfect' Snape) I would 
probably not see the films at all.  I have been universally 
disappointed in the films--each one more than the last, so that I 
truly quake in fear at the thought of seeing GoF on the screen.

*trembles*

I'm a mostly at-home mom, I work 2 days a week as an R.N.  I have 
very few 'obsessions' or even hobbies unrelated to kid-stuff.  My 
Harry Potter obsession is definitely one of them.  Er, perhaps you 
should read that as my Severus Snape obsession! *wink*

Shanti





From srbecca at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 24 02:59:34 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:59:34 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
Message-ID: <BAY104-F31B94B7A5F08D049F509D5A8ED0@phx.gbl>


theotokos  wrote: He actually looks like my husband.  Prior to Amer. Psycho 
coming out, someone sent us a picture of him with a caption that went 
something like--Hey when did you take this pic.  It took us not a little 
time to realize it was NOT my husband, but was CB.
>
It's funny he kind of looks like my bf as well.  Our brit friend has been 
saying that for years.  Of course CB is more of a matinee idol.

I love GO's acting.  He is super versitile..as is Emma Thompson.  I suppose 
he never was all that good looking but good acting can be sexy too.

I thought Brannagh had the pre-requisite 'full-of-himself' presence.  He is 
a great classical actor and I thought his performance had that winking kind 
of quality to it.  Like he knows he comes off as a bit of a big-headed actor 
on screen and he is enjoying playing it up.  I see what you mean about being 
a bit more daft though..





From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 05:16:17 2005
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 05:16:17 -0000
Subject: No more Potter chat?
Message-ID: <d9g4v1+aikm@eGroups.com>

Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created 
chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.

Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now tried 
to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.

Constance Vigilanc





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 05:42:52 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 05:42:52 -0000
Subject: No more Potter chat?
In-Reply-To: <d9g4v1+aikm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9g6gs+9jha@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance" 
<constancevigilance at y...> wrote:
> Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created 
> chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.
> 
> Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now tried 
> to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.
> 
> Constance Vigilanc

Tonks:

I thought it was only some of the chatrooms.  I don't do the chat 
because I can't get the hang of it. The conversations go too quickly 
and I can't think that fast and type that fast. I only tried it once. 
But I just tried the *Chat* link on the left here and it asked me if I 
wanted to install the Yahoo chat as a download or something. I didn't 
do it. I would suggest waiting till the appointed time on Sunday or 
whenever it is, and see if you can get in then. Maybe it only works at 
the time they have set for the chat.

Tonks_op





From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 09:40:00 2005
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:40:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No more Potter chat?
In-Reply-To: <d9g6gs+9jha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050624094000.61766.qmail@web61023.mail.yahoo.com>



Tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance" 
<constancevigilance at y...> wrote:
> Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created 
> chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.
> 
> Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now tried 
> to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.
> 
> Constance Vigilanc

now me:

        I just tried too. I got an "invalid room name" message. I'm going to miss chat, anyone know if we can still set up group discussions on YM, and if so how to do it?

Sam


		
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 15:31:00 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:31:00 -0000
Subject: No more Potter chat?
In-Reply-To: <20050624094000.61766.qmail@web61023.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d9h8vk+6v45@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sam Edwards
<hermionesmum at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Tonks <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance" 
> <constancevigilance at y...> wrote:
> > Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created 
> > chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.
> > 
> > Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now tried 
> > to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.
> > 
> > Constance Vigilanc
> 
> now me:
> 
>         I just tried too. I got an "invalid room name" message. I'm
going to miss chat, anyone know if we can still set up group
discussions on YM, and if so how to do it?
> 
> Sam

I haven't been available on Sunday afternoons for ages, but I was
looking forward to coming back sometime soon.  I don't have YM,
though, and don't intend to install it.

Is there any reason why we can't just use the Chat link at the left of
the screen in HPfGU?  I never knew why we didn't.

Annemehr,
waving to Hmum and other chatters





From entropymail at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 15:55:45 2005
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:55:45 -0000
Subject: No more Potter chat?
In-Reply-To: <d9g4v1+aikm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9hae1+bemn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance"
<constancevigilance at y...> wrote:
> Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created 
> chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.
> Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now
tried to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.



>From TheRegister.co.uk:

YAHOO! SHUTS DOOR ON DODGY CHATROOMS
By John Oates
Published Wednesday 22nd June 2005 09:17 GMT

Yahoo! has pulled the plug on user-created chat rooms in the US with
apparent child sex content after major advertisers withdrew their ads.

The change of heart came after an expos? by a Houston TV station which
revealed Yahoo! was hosting chat rooms with titles including Girls 13
And Under for Older Guys and 9-17-Year Olds Wantin' Sex. The TV
station found chat from men seeking children for sex.

On Friday last week Yahoo! stopped users from creating their own chat
rooms. A statement on the site said the service was unavailable while
Yahoo! worked on improvements and on making it compliant with Yahoo's
terms of service.

The expos?led several companies to withdraw their advertising from
Yahoo! The company is also facing a $10m lawsuit for hosting the
chatrooms.

Yahoo has been criticised for failing to take action on this issue
before. The combination of lost advertising revenue and a $10m lawsuit
seems to have helped focus their minds.

Peter Carr, editor of specialist online title ChatMag.com, told us:
"I've talked to Yahoo! about this before, there was a petition last
year asking them to moderate their chat rooms but they've never done
anything." Carr said Yahoo pulled the plug on customer-created
chatrooms late on Friday night to avoid media attention.

The action has also irritated thousands of legitimate chatroom users.

Yahoo said in a statement: "With regard to Yahoo! Chat, the ability to
publish user-created chat rooms in the public Yahoo! Chat directory is
currently unavailable. We are working on improvements to this service
to enhance the user experience and compliance with our Terms of Service."

Natasha Finlayson, director of policy andcCommunications at UK charity
ChildLine, said: As ardent campaigners for children's safety any steps
which can be taken to minimise risk to children and young people have
to be embraced.

"We have received some calls concerning internet safety and chat rooms
and it is clear that children and young people who are targeted by
paedophiles in this way are at major risk.

"Calls to ChildLine show that chat rooms are very popular with
children and young people as a way of communicating with others,
helping them to make friends and share interests and hobbies. But
ChildLine also hears from children who have given out their contact
details such as their telephone and mobile numbers, email, school name
and home address.

"The monitoring of some internet chat rooms in recent years has gone
some way to improving the online safety of children and young people
but it has been unable to prevent paedophiles from contacting children
and young people." ?

:: Entropy ::





From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Fri Jun 24 16:25:33 2005
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:25:33 EDT
Subject: Ginnie Weasly/COS and Internet Safety for Children
Message-ID: <1a3.364c34f5.2fed8dfd@aol.com>

Mary,

WOW ... I never even made that correlation, and it's an excellent one!  So 
many kids read and love HP that this is an terrific way to drive an important 
point home.  I'm going to share it with my childs school librarian, as she reads 
to all class levels once a week during the school year, and I know she can 
integrate this into her "Harry Potter" week.   Thanks!

Elizabeth ... who appreciates a good lesson in safety.





* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
"... and you have Luna, who is completely out to lunch, but fantastic.  I 
love Luna."
J.K. Rowling
Edinburg Book Festival, August 2004


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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Fri Jun 24 17:09:59 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:09:59 EDT
Subject: Ginnie Weasley/COS and Internet Safety for Children
Message-ID: <7b.47e4eb58.2fed9867@aol.com>

Sarah Gipp _department.of.mysteries at gmail.com_ 
(mailto:department.of.mysteries at gmail.com)   wrote:

<<<Rowling said she diary that villain Tom Riddle uses in  book two to lure 
Harry into the Chamber of Secrets is like an internet  chatroom.

JK said: "When I wrote that, I had never been in an internet  chat room. It 
is very similar - typing your deepest thoughts into the ether  and getting 
answers back.

"You don't know who is answering  you."

The idea came from a childhood diary her younger sister, Dianne,  confided 
in.>>>

_http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2003/0303-sundaymail-staff.htm_ 
(http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2003/0303-sundaymail-staff.htm) 

I wrote back:
Thanks, Kaesa, especially for the link. The books are  so popular and Ginny 
so loved, especially by little girls, that it works as a  great example of 
knowing, in 3D and living color, who you are really talking  to.
 
Kaesa also said:
Before I'd read that, though, I'd thought it might have  been a reference to 
the act of writing a story. I started out writing  original fiction, and 
later discovered fanfiction. When I write (at least,  the way I write) I put 
a lot of myself - my faults, my beliefs, arguments  with myself - into 
stories, and so, while it's not really intentional, I  can't help but feel 
sometimes that there's more of me in the stories than  there is of me in 
*me.* 

I said:
Yes, sometimes I don't know what I think or believe until I say it or write  
it. There is something in the act of organizing your thoughts for someone  
else that clarifies them for yourself too.
 
Kaesa also said:
On the topic of internet safety, I'm glad it's  being taught to younger kids. 
I babysit two girls who are in third and fifth  grade (I think) and sometimes 
they tell me about all the stuff they do  online and I start to worry, 
because while I know not to give out certain  information, these girls are 
not me. I'm naturally paranoid, and they're,  well, not. And sure, I've never 
encountered a pedophile (that I know) or  gotten into any trouble online, but 
it's better to be safe than sorry, to be  cliched. And people on the internet 
can be far, far creepier than one would  think *possible.*
 
I said: 
It is a problem and not enough people are aware of the problem. Most  people, 
children included, don't realize how much information that they give out  
over time. Here is a website that helps them understand some of the basic  rules. 
Perhaps the children you babysit might want to check them out.
 
_http://disney.go.com/activities/today/index.html?page=safety_ 
(http://disney.go.com/activities/today/index.html?page=safety)  
 
It's not perfect but it does help. 

There are also classes that muggle parents who are NOT computer  literate can 
take to help them protect their children. Here is a place that can  help.
 
_http://www.theinternetandyourchild.org/_ 
(http://www.theinternetandyourchild.org/) 
 
When I took the class last year, one instructor posed as a child and went  
into a "summer fun" chat room. Within an hour, someone approached her in a very  
sexual way.
 
Thanks again for the link!
---Mary



From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 20:58:00 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:58:00 -0000
Subject: No more Potter chat?
In-Reply-To: <d9h8vk+6v45@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9hs4o+t9st@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
>Big Snip< 
> I haven't been available on Sunday afternoons for ages, but I was
> looking forward to coming back sometime soon.  I don't have YM,
> though, and don't intend to install it.
> 
> Is there any reason why we can't just use the Chat link at the 
left of the screen in HPfGU?  I never knew why we didn't.
> 
> Annemehr,
> waving to Hmum and other chatters

*****\(@@)/*****

*waves back*

I don't want to install YM either. If we have to use the chat link 
on the left then I guess that is what we will have to do.... I would 
really hate to lose the Sunday chats. Actually I am suprised Yahoo 
hasn't made a statement to all members regarding this. I will wait 
and see what the ListElves post on Sunday on where to go to chat - 
OT chat or main list chat. 

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From Debby970095 at aol.com  Fri Jun 24 21:29:16 2005
From: Debby970095 at aol.com (debby970095)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:29:16 -0000
Subject: Anyone in North-East Texas?
Message-ID: <d9htvc+mq9j@eGroups.com>

Hi all! I am more or a lurker than anything but as we near the day of 
release for HBP I am wanting to see how many of us are close to me. I 
see several from other places I could never get to but I am wanting to 
meet some closer to home. I live near what we call the Four Strates 
area in Texas. If anyone is from this area and would like to do 
something for the release of HBP please let me know.

Thanks,
Debby
AKA Godrica Gryffindor






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 22:24:15 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:24:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ginnie Weasly/COS and Internet Safety for Children
In-Reply-To: <1a3.364c34f5.2fed8dfd@aol.com>
References: <1a3.364c34f5.2fed8dfd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062415242d5bddbe@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/24/05, LunaLovesHarry at aol.com <LunaLovesHarry at aol.com> wrote:

> WOW ... I never even made that correlation, and it's an excellent one!  So
> many kids read and love HP that this is an terrific way to drive an important
> point home. 

Yeah, like never trust your 'shrink'. {g}  Ginny is 'pouring out her
secrets' to an entity she thought she could trust and the entity uses
it against her.

Dina



From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 25 01:27:02 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anyone in North-East Texas?
In-Reply-To: <d9htvc+mq9j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050625012702.65542.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>

debby,
 
I used to live in Galveston and my youngest son will be with his dad there on Release Date.  Not that that helps you.  I have a daughter (22) who lives in Austin and is a huge HP fan.  I know that is a bit far but if you do not find folks closer, I can get you in touch with her!!
 
moonmyyst  (who is in NW Georgia... anyone else close to me??)

debby970095 <Debby970095 at aol.com> wrote:
Hi all! I am more or a lurker than anything but as we near the day of 
release for HBP I am wanting to see how many of us are close to me. I 
see several from other places I could never get to but I am wanting to 
meet some closer to home. I live near what we call the Four Strates 
area in Texas. If anyone is from this area and would like to do 
something for the release of HBP please let me know.

Thanks,
Debby
AKA Godrica Gryffindor





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From bumbledore at comcast.net  Sat Jun 25 02:27:07 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:27:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No more Potter chat?
References: <d9g4v1+aikm@eGroups.com>
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Im gonna say this about the HP main rooms.
Several adults haunt those rooms, 4 of which are members of
"perverted-justice.com".  And yes, there are perverts who do solicit
children in those rooms, as well as the user created rooms.

Never mind the endless porn bots who try to IM you with stuff, they are just
the beginning.

Just go into any of the main HP rooms around 3-12 pm Est time, and watch
what the kids say. It is no wonder pedafiles may lurk there.. half the time
the kids are talking cybersex of one type or another..

And if my name looks familuar from that room, its because I'm one of the 4
members ive mentioned above.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "constancevigilance" <constancevigilance at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No more Potter chat?


> Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created
> chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.
>
> Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now tried
> to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.
>
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From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Jun 25 04:00:01 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:00:01 -0000
Subject: No more Potter chat?
In-Reply-To: <001901c5792d$626a73c0$0d48ac43@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d9iks1+l6fk@eGroups.com>

It's been many years since I participated in any chat rooms.  I date
back to the early days of IRC - Internet Relay Chat where you logged
on to a public server, typically hosted by a university, and either
signed on to one of thousands of chat choices or create your own. 
There were no web based chat rooms, in fact the web was in its infancy.  

When I was active on IRC, there was certainly plenty of sleaze, but it
was easily enough avoided. 

Ah yes, IRC, Usenet, Archie, Veronica - all the early tools of the
Internet prior to Internet Explorer, Netscape, Firefox, etc.  Most
tools used shell commands similar to a DOS prompt.

Things were simpler then, and perhaps safer.

I had to log on to peverted justice to see what it was.  Looks as
though you guys perform a valuable service. Good job!

Joe

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" <bumbledore at c...>
wrote:
> Im gonna say this about the HP main rooms.
> Several adults haunt those rooms, 4 of which are members of
> "perverted-justice.com".  And yes, there are perverts who do solicit
> children in those rooms, as well as the user created rooms.
> 
> Never mind the endless porn bots who try to IM you with stuff, they
are just
> the beginning.
> 
> Just go into any of the main HP rooms around 3-12 pm Est time, and watch
> what the kids say. It is no wonder pedafiles may lurk there.. half
the time
> the kids are talking cybersex of one type or another..
> 
> And if my name looks familuar from that room, its because I'm one of
the 4
> members ive mentioned above.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "constancevigilance" <constancevigilance at y...>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 AM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No more Potter chat?
> 
> 
> > Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created
> > chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.
> >
> > Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now tried
> > to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.
> >
> > Constance Vigilanc
> >
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From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 25 04:01:12 2005
From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:01:12 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
Message-ID: <d9iku8+34ue@eGroups.com>

Your discussion re Christian Bale/Gary Oldman reminded me of my 
problems with POA.  BTW "Batman Begins" was good.  The story was done 
thoroughly and well.  Good stories seem to go by the wayside these 
days.  What are the writers doing?  IMO.

Anyway, I had a whole lot of trouble with David Thewlis as Lupin.  He 
was so not my idea of the character.  Now that I've seen the movie 
numerous times I've sort of come to accept him, but it took a lot of 
time.  I also had problems with the set.  In the book the kids cross 
the lawn to get to Hagrid's hut.  Oh well.  Big sigh.

I'm very nervous about GOF the movie.  What will Moody look like?  I 
guess I need to realize a book is a book and a movie will not be the 
book.  If anyone has any ideas to help me not be frustrated when I 
see a movie version of a book I've read, I'll be so glad to hear it.  

The only Movie I liked thoroughly that was made from a book 
was "Fellowship of the Ring".  The other LOTR movies were good, but 
the first did such a good job, it took my breath away.

Bonnie (who prefers to read, sigh)






From bumbledore at comcast.net  Sat Jun 25 12:28:35 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:28:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:  Actors in HP movies
References: <d9iku8+34ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004601c57981$682f9ca0$0d48ac43@cauldron1>


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To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies


> Anyway, I had a whole lot of trouble with David Thewlis as Lupin.  He
> was so not my idea of the character.  Now that I've seen the movie
> numerous times I've sort of come to accept him, but it took a lot of
> time.  I also had problems with the set.  In the book the kids cross
> the lawn to get to Hagrid's hut.  Oh well.  Big sigh.

Yeah, POA, IMHO was a near complete loss. It wasn't just the SET itself,
but a number of things. Purple and gold ties? I thought the Griffindor ties
were
scarlet and gold, not purple. The "dumb and dumber" humor of the fat lady
with the wine glass, the location of the fat lady's portrait, the castle
itself
(whats with this clock?), just to name a few things.
Lupid did come accross as I precived him though. Good job there. Buggart
scene
was great. Beyond that, It was the first time I had to stop myself from
leaving
the theater and demanding my money back. ONLY because it was a HP
film did I stop. Had it been anything else, I would have.


> I'm very nervous about GOF the movie.  What will Moody look like?  I
> guess I need to realize a book is a book and a movie will not be the
> book.  If anyone has any ideas to help me not be frustrated when I
> see a movie version of a book I've read, I'll be so glad to hear it.

I just hate the way they are (not)  following the book.
The basic story line is there, and of course the main actors.. beyond
that.. like you, I too am nervous about the GOF movie.. especally
since I, like many other fans, think it should be 2 movies, or one thats
at least as long as the first one.


> The only Movie I liked thoroughly that was made from a book
> was "Fellowship of the Ring".  The other LOTR movies were good, but
> the first did such a good job, it took my breath away.

LOTR movies set a new standard that WB is not interested in
maintaining. Too bad. Their loss (and the fans as well).







From bumbledore at comcast.net  Sat Jun 25 12:31:05 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:31:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No more Potter chat?
References: <d9iks1+l6fk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c57981$c1683020$0d48ac43@cauldron1>

Ah yes.. the good ole days.. using Usenet to get into a IRC chat.
Yepper.. Do you remember Fidonet BBS's? I ran one for 7 years.
Well, Yahoo has shut down the USER created rooms due to the
child/sex stuff.. but the main rooms are still full of it. I just logged on
to
HP1 chat and it had 31 people, 4 porn bots, and most of the chatter was
sexual in nature.. Oh well.. Kids at that age have raging hormones, I guess.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Bento" <joseph at kirtland.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:00 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No more Potter chat?


> It's been many years since I participated in any chat rooms.  I date
> back to the early days of IRC - Internet Relay Chat where you logged
> on to a public server, typically hosted by a university, and either
> signed on to one of thousands of chat choices or create your own.
> There were no web based chat rooms, in fact the web was in its infancy.
>
> When I was active on IRC, there was certainly plenty of sleaze, but it
> was easily enough avoided.
>
> Ah yes, IRC, Usenet, Archie, Veronica - all the early tools of the
> Internet prior to Internet Explorer, Netscape, Firefox, etc.  Most
> tools used shell commands similar to a DOS prompt.
>
> Things were simpler then, and perhaps safer.
>
> I had to log on to peverted justice to see what it was.  Looks as
> though you guys perform a valuable service. Good job!
>
> Joe
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" <bumbledore at c...>
> wrote:
> > Im gonna say this about the HP main rooms.
> > Several adults haunt those rooms, 4 of which are members of
> > "perverted-justice.com".  And yes, there are perverts who do solicit
> > children in those rooms, as well as the user created rooms.
> >
> > Never mind the endless porn bots who try to IM you with stuff, they
> are just
> > the beginning.
> >
> > Just go into any of the main HP rooms around 3-12 pm Est time, and watch
> > what the kids say. It is no wonder pedafiles may lurk there.. half
> the time
> > the kids are talking cybersex of one type or another..
> >
> > And if my name looks familuar from that room, its because I'm one of
> the 4
> > members ive mentioned above.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "constancevigilance" <constancevigilance at y...>
> > To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 AM
> > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No more Potter chat?
> >
> >
> > > Yahoo is saying that it has permanently taken down all user-created
> > > chatrooms because they were being used to solicit sex with children.
> > >
> > > Does this mean that our weekly Potter chat is toast? I just now tried
> > > to go into HP:1 and nothing happened.
> > >
> > > Constance Vigilanc
> > >
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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sat Jun 25 16:26:31 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:26:31 EDT
Subject: Ginnie Weasley/COS and Internet Safety for Children
Message-ID: <ea.6c115edb.2feedfb7@aol.com>

Elizabeth writes:
WOW ... I never even made  that correlation, and it's an excellent one!  So 
many kids read and  love HP that this is an terrific way to drive an 
important 
point home.   I'm going to share it with my childs school librarian, as she 
reads 
to all  class levels once a week during the school year, and I know she can  
integrate this into her "Harry Potter" week.   Thanks!  


I wrote:
I'm glad that you liked it enough to share it. When I introduce the topic,  
the students are fascinated and it can lead to excellent discussions among 
them.  Deciding who to trust online, what is safe to reveal, etc, can be 
challenging  topics and it is great to see the students thinking and figuring it out 
for  themselves.
 
---Mary



From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sat Jun 25 16:36:48 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:36:48 EDT
Subject: Ginnie Weasley/COS and Internet Safety for Children
Message-ID: <1aa.39901be1.2feee220@aol.com>

Dina writes:
Yeah, like never trust your  'shrink'. {g}  Ginny is 'pouring out her
secrets' to an entity she  thought she could trust and the entity uses
it against her.  

I write:
That is what makes it such an interesting discussion among the students.  How 
do they know who to trust? Ginny's parents have even told her to  beware 
anything "when you can't see where it keeps its brain." Yet she  still trusts the 
diary. 
 
---Mary



From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat Jun 25 18:56:54 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:56:54 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:  Actors in HP movies
Message-ID: <148.46d80a7f.2fef02f6@aol.com>

There is a poster link for GOF on Mugglenet.  In the background toward  the 
bottom is a picture of Madeye Moody.
 
 


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From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Sat Jun 25 21:55:24 2005
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:55:24 -0000
Subject: No more Potter chat?
In-Reply-To: <d9hs4o+t9st@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9kjsc+dc2f@eGroups.com>


Annemehr: 
> > Is there any reason why we can't just use the Chat link at 
> > the left of the screen in HPfGU?  I never knew why we didn't.
> > 
> > Annemehr,
> > waving to Hmum and other chatters

Dudemom_2000: 
> I don't want to install YM either. If we have to use the chat link 
> on the left then I guess that is what we will have to do.... I 
would 
> really hate to lose the Sunday chats. Actually I am suprised Yahoo 
> hasn't made a statement to all members regarding this. I will wait 
> and see what the ListElves post on Sunday on where to go to chat - 
> OT chat or main list chat. 

The reason we created the HP1 room way back was because the Group 
Chat function was so problematic for so many people -- some folks 
could get in and use it fine, others would find their computers 
hanging up while trying to enter, could enter but not post, only saw 
half the conversations, could only get an unusably small chat window, 
kept getting bounced at a ridiculous rate (heh, that's when the duct 
tape jokes started), etc., etc.

As laughably bad as Yahoo Chat (from the Yahoo site, the location of 
HP1) was/is, it was still loads better than Group Chat.  I'm in the 
main list Chat right now, and it's doing okay so far.  If any 
chatters are around and want to test this out, please do; if it seems 
to be working well enough, we can just move chat there. Chat on main 
seems a more logical place than on OTC, but really, can be whichever 
people prefer.  Anyone want to give it a try now, see what they think?

--Kelley






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 26 00:28:11 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:28:11 -0000
Subject: New member introduction
In-Reply-To: <d96ns9+aetl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9ksqr+39m5@eGroups.com>

Charlies Jones <catwoman1683> wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27593 :

<< For those curious, my name is Charlie, I'm 21, female and from
Kent, England. (snip) I love animals, cats being my favourite, and
come September I'll be studying for my English GCSE in night classes
at the local college. >>

Welcome, Charlie. GCSEs are not *exactly* OT, because they are the
Muggle version of OWLs, but understood by no American reader (not even
me).

You were not born in 1683, unless you're a time-traveller. That would
have been James II, right? 





From joseph at kirtland.com  Sun Jun 26 00:49:23 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:49:23 -0000
Subject: New member introduction
In-Reply-To: <d9ksqr+39m5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9ku2j+e351@eGroups.com>

Wouldn't the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) and our
American high-school diploma be roughly equivalent?  (Though children
attend primary school in the US, it is rare to hear of middle and
high-school referred to as "secondary".)

I am not familiar with the quality of British education, but a US
high-school diploma certainly doesn't mean much when searching for a
quality job.

Joe

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> Charlies Jones <catwoman1683> wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27593 :
> 
> << For those curious, my name is Charlie, I'm 21, female and from
> Kent, England. (snip) I love animals, cats being my favourite, and
> come September I'll be studying for my English GCSE in night classes
> at the local college. >>
> 
> Welcome, Charlie. GCSEs are not *exactly* OT, because they are the
> Muggle version of OWLs, but understood by no American reader (not even
> me).
> 
> You were not born in 1683, unless you're a time-traveller. That would
> have been James II, right?





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 26 01:23:03 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:23:03 -0000
Subject: GCSE (was: New member introduction)
In-Reply-To: <d9ku2j+e351@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9l01n+7goi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27682

<< Wouldn't the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) and
our American high-school diploma be roughly equivalent?  (Though
children attend primary school in the US, it is rare to hear of middle
and high-school referred to as "secondary".) >>

The Brits on list have explained the English system (and that the
Scottish system is similar but different *sigh*) so often that I have
learned part of it. One thing they have explained is that after GCSEs,
you stay in secondary school preparing to take A-levels (the Muggle
version of NEWTs), which are the exams on which your admission to
university depends. Also, they keep saying that A-levels are not like
SAT II "Achievement' tests, the ones in subject areas like Literature
and Chemistry and American History.

Also, the Brits on these lists have made clear to me that a person
'gets' multiple GCSEs and multiple (altho' fewer) A-levels, roughly
one per exam passed (which is a similarity to SAT IIs!). I *think*
that is one exam per subject, but they start confusing me with
'General Science' and 'Advanced General Science' versus 'Chemistry'
and so on.

To get a US high school diploma, you have to attend that high school
and meet its requirements; then the school gives you the diploma. The
GCSEs and A-levels are given by some government entity. (So I suppose
that part is more like a GED.) 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 26 04:02:06 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 26 Jun 2005 04:02:06 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1119758526.36.10267.m26@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 26, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From srbecca at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 06:34:24 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (nebraskatoronto)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 06:34:24 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <004601c57981$682f9ca0$0d48ac43@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d9li9g+susg@eGroups.com>

You know I actually prefer the movie version of POA to any of the 
others in the series of movies.

I notice people get upset because they change details around (the 
color of ties).  This doesn't upset me as much as bad acting or bad 
direction does.

I accept that when a book gets translated into a visual medium it is 
never going to meet everyone's inner visual movie they had of the book.

It's an interpretation.

I really found POA watchable because the director had a beautiful 
sense of mood and theme.  I love his version of The Little Princess, 
it's charming and colourful.  I also enjoyed his version of Great 
Expectations (even though it's not all that faithful to the book and I 
love the book).

I see the movies like cover songs.  It's not the original band but 
maybe if someone with talent interprets it in a new crazy way..it can 
take on a new meaning to you.

Listen I don't like Chris Columbus all that much.  I think he wouldn't 
know a subtle joke if someone set fire to it on his front porch.  In 
fact, I think the greatest crime of the first two movies was lack of 
the subtle adult humour that I love in all of JK's books.  I just 
don't care as much about the location of Hagrid's house or the colour 
of ties..as much as taking a very funny story and making it alittle 
hacky...

That being said I still own them because I love some of the 
performances (Rickman!) and I love watching the story unfold.

I feel like POA had a better sense of this humour and just a more 
artistic sensibility.  I especially enjoy the time motif..lovely..and 
very prominent in the series of books.  The sense of that time is 
precious and limited.






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Jun 26 07:15:29 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:15:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <d9li9g+susg@eGroups.com>
References: <004601c57981$682f9ca0$0d48ac43@cauldron1>
	 <d9li9g+susg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050626001567e21971@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/26/05, nebraskatoronto <srbecca at hotmail.com> wrote:
 
> I accept that when a book gets translated into a visual medium it is
> never going to meet everyone's inner visual movie they had of the book.
> 
> It's an interpretation.

Yes... as a vidder, I have to work with what's presented and I thought
POA was the most aesthetic movie.  However, I'm not going to knock the
first couple movies because they offered a good springboard for folks
like myself who entered the HP fandom and hadn't read the books (i.e.
stuck closer to canon).

I believe both directors have contributed in good ways.

Dina



From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Jun 26 13:12:54 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:12:54 -0000
Subject: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <03d0f0a1dd679da05960db5fa89881dd@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <d9m9km+7sev@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Katherine Coble 
 
> I really think, as I read the books over and over, that JKR 
probably 
> had Daniel Day Lewis in mind for Sirius.   Usually when DDL won't 
play 
> a role they seem to get Gary, even though they're totally 
different, 
> imo.

Well, yes, but then we couldn't have had Ralph Fiennes for Vol - you 
know who, because they are quite similar looking aren't they?

I'd have to say that I really like Gary Oldman, and he is so 
versatile and good looking (him as Dracula is one of my all-time 
favourites, except with the silly hair do, oh and Keanu and Winona's 
woeful British accents).  I was excited when he was going to play 
Sirius, but he's not Sirius is he?  Not sure Christian Bale is either.

It seeems to me that the producers have got all the ages wrong and at 
some point they are going to come unstuck.  Lucius Malfoy is meant to 
be about 6 years older than the Marauders, but as someone pointed 
out, Jason Isaacs is actually the youngest actor for that group (But, 
he IS Lucius Malfoy, so don't even think of changing him - he's so 
good at playing evil ...)

Snape (Alan Rickman), Sirius (Gary Oldman) and Remus (David Thewlis) 
are all meant to be the same age ... er they are not.  Thewlis, I'm 
sure, is considerably younger than the others (although, more likely 
the right kind of age, rather than Rickman and Oldman).

I think they could have made different choices, but I'm pretty happy 
with what we've got and I certainly would rather stick with them than 
chop and change now.

Sarah xx

PS watched "the girl in the cafe" last night and I just know there is 
a HP character for Bill Nighy to play ... but who?





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Jun 26 13:26:33 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:26:33 -0000
Subject: Amazon e-mail
Message-ID: <d9mae9+ltho@eGroups.com>

I received this today ...

Dear Customer, 

We are writing to you regarding your order for "Harry Potter and the 
Half-Blood Prince (Harry Potter 6)". 

At Amazon.co.uk, we are always looking for ways to bring value to our 
customers. We are, therefore, delighted to confirm that we have 
reduced the 
price of Harry Potter 6 to just ?8.99 (47% off) and that all our 
customers, 
muggles and wizards alike, will benefit from this reduction. 

Rest assured that the new lower price will be charged automatically 
when we 
dispatch your book, and the new price will be magically changed in 
Your 
Account. You will see the change in Your Account at the following 
address:

www.amazon.co.uk/your-account

These changes may not be reflected immediately.

Please note that the book will not fit through a standard letter box, 
so 
keep an eye out for our delivery owls.

Thank you for shopping at Amazon.co.uk, and stay alert for You-Know-
Who.

Warmest regards,

Just thought I'd share that delightfully thoughtful e-mail with you.  
Isn't it nice that they don't just send out standard correspondence?

Sarah xx






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Jun 26 13:41:51 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:41:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Christian Bale/Gary Oldham
In-Reply-To: <d9m9km+7sev@eGroups.com>
References: <03d0f0a1dd679da05960db5fa89881dd@comcast.net>
	 <d9m9km+7sev@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062606417a317bd6@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/26/05, Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:
 
> PS watched "the girl in the cafe" last night and I just know there is
> a HP character for Bill Nighy to play ... but who?

At one point, speculations were for him to play Voldemort, especially
after Underworld.  If not Voldemort, how about Mundungus Fletcher
since Love, Actually displayed he could be quite laid back.

Dina



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 26 14:01:50 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:01:50 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amazon e-mail
In-Reply-To: <d9mae9+ltho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c57a57$9a8a1050$0400a8c0@pensive>

Oh, that was wonderful!  How creative of them to write it like that.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:27 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amazon e-mail


I received this today ...

Dear Customer, 

We are writing to you regarding your order for "Harry Potter and the 
Half-Blood Prince (Harry Potter 6)". 

At Amazon.co.uk, we are always looking for ways to bring value to our 
customers. We are, therefore, delighted to confirm that we have 
reduced the 
price of Harry Potter 6 to just ?8.99 (47% off) and that all our 
customers, 
muggles and wizards alike, will benefit from this reduction. 

Rest assured that the new lower price will be charged automatically 
when we 
dispatch your book, and the new price will be magically changed in 
Your 
Account. You will see the change in Your Account at the following 
address:

www.amazon.co.uk/your-account

These changes may not be reflected immediately.

Please note that the book will not fit through a standard letter box, 
so 
keep an eye out for our delivery owls.

Thank you for shopping at Amazon.co.uk, and stay alert for You-Know-
Who.

Warmest regards,

Just thought I'd share that delightfully thoughtful e-mail with you.  
Isn't it nice that they don't just send out standard correspondence?

Sarah xx





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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jun 26 15:02:03 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 26 Jun 2005 15:02:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1119798123.18.83294.m23@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, June 26, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From joseph at kirtland.com  Sun Jun 26 15:05:10 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:05:10 -0000
Subject: Amazon e-mail
In-Reply-To: <d9mae9+ltho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9mg76+ln6e@eGroups.com>

I received a copy of that e-mail as well - a nice discount.

As an American customer, it's the first time I've pre-reserved a UK
edition.  Wouldn't it be great if they could guarantee July 16th
delivery for US customers?

Of course I'll be attending my own midnight release party in Provo, Utah.

Has anyone enquired at their local bookshops what they intend to do
with the countdown signs following publication?  They would certainly
make a fun addition to anyone's Potter collection.

Joe


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> I received this today ...
> 
> Dear Customer, 
> 
> We are writing to you regarding your order for "Harry Potter and the 
> Half-Blood Prince (Harry Potter 6)". 
> 
> At Amazon.co.uk, we are always looking for ways to bring value to our 
> customers. We are, therefore, delighted to confirm that we have 
> reduced the 
> price of Harry Potter 6 to just ?8.99 (47% off) and that all our 
> customers, 
> muggles and wizards alike, will benefit from this reduction. 
> 
> Rest assured that the new lower price will be charged automatically 
> when we 
> dispatch your book, and the new price will be magically changed in 
> Your 
> Account. You will see the change in Your Account at the following 
> address:
> 
> www.amazon.co.uk/your-account
> 
> These changes may not be reflected immediately.
> 
> Please note that the book will not fit through a standard letter box, 
> so 
> keep an eye out for our delivery owls.
> 
> Thank you for shopping at Amazon.co.uk, and stay alert for You-Know-
> Who.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Just thought I'd share that delightfully thoughtful e-mail with you.  
> Isn't it nice that they don't just send out standard correspondence?
> 
> Sarah xx





From yolandacarroll at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 26 17:03:49 2005
From: yolandacarroll at yahoo.com (yolandacarroll)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:03:49 -0000
Subject: *Important* - HP Chat is going on today.  Please read.
Message-ID: <d9mn5l+k35e@eGroups.com>

HP:1 is not available.  That's Ok, HP Chat is still on.  
Please come to this link:
http://www.rayzonz.com/cmps_index.php?

As to why HP:1 is not working, according to posts on HPFGU OT Chatter, 
including an article, Yahoo has turned off the "user" created chat 
rooms. 

I am not a list elf and I will leave the offical word and a permanent 
solution up to them.  I simply wanted us to have somewhere to chat, 
especially with 19 days to go til book 6.





From bumbledore at comcast.net  Sun Jun 26 17:38:34 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:38:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] *Important* - HP Chat is going on today.  Please read.
References: <d9mn5l+k35e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c57a75$e079fb20$0d48ac43@cauldron1>

May I suggest another chat program?
Its in Beta test, but it works wonderfully.

 "INSPEAK".  its like paltalk. only without the popup ads, and stuff.
www.inspeak.com for the latest version of the beta program..

And yes, they renew the beta's about every other day, but the program has
never caused my computer to crash or have any errors or anythng like that.
And the program is spyware and virus free.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "yolandacarroll" <yolandacarroll at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] *Important* - HP Chat is going on today. Please
read.


> HP:1 is not available.  That's Ok, HP Chat is still on.
> Please come to this link:
> http://www.rayzonz.com/cmps_index.php?
>
> As to why HP:1 is not working, according to posts on HPFGU OT Chatter,
> including an article, Yahoo has turned off the "user" created chat
> rooms.
>
> I am not a list elf and I will leave the offical word and a permanent
> solution up to them.  I simply wanted us to have somewhere to chat,
> especially with 19 days to go til book 6.
>
>
>
>
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>
> The main list rules also apply here, so make sure you read them!
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>
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posts to which you're replying!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Jun 26 18:14:27 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:14:27 -0000
Subject: Wolfsbane potion
Message-ID: <d9mra3+nog9@eGroups.com>

Just a quickie

Can anyone tell me when and how often Lupin has to take Wolfsbane?  Is 
it something he has to take on a daily basis or just when a full moon 
approaches?  I had an idea that he had to take it for a fortnight 
running up to the full moon, but I'm not sure where I got that from and 
whether it's correct.

Its just for my fanfic - Snape is incapacitated (having lost his arm in 
an unfortunate altercation with Lucius Malfoy and his wand - Morsmorde 
amputare!)and I was wondering how long Remus would last without the 
potion.

Sarah xx





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Jun 26 18:28:04 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:28:04 -0000
Subject: s'all right - found it
Message-ID: <d9ms3k+thum@eGroups.com>

On the Remus.Lupin.net web site ...

"It must be taken for a full two weeks before a full moon to have any 
effect, and sugar makes it useless."

It must be canon because I knew I had read it somewhere.
Thanks anyway if you've already gone to the trouble of looking for me
Sarah xx





From ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 26 20:14:49 2005
From: ms_melanie1999 at yahoo.com (Miss Melanie)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:14:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amazon e-mail
In-Reply-To: <001701c57a57$9a8a1050$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <20050626201449.26406.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh, that was wonderful!  How creative of them to write it like that.

Sherry


Are  they still trying to guarantee regular delivery on the day of?  

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jun 26 21:19:40 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:19:40 -0000
Subject: Wolfsbane potion
In-Reply-To: <d9mra3+nog9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9n65c+hsvh@eGroups.com>

"Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27695 :

<< Can anyone tell me when and how often Lupin has to take Wolfsbane?
 Is it something he has to take on a daily basis or just when a full
moon approaches?  I had an idea that he had to take it for a
fortnight running up to the full moon, but I'm not sure where I got
that from and whether it's correct. >>

PoA page 258 UK paperback: Lupin says: "The potion that Professor
Snape has been making for me is a very recent discovery. It makes me
safe, you see. As long as I take it in the week preceding the Full
Moon, I keep my mind when I transform .... I am able to curl up in my
office, a harmless wolf, and wait for the moon to wane again."

I understood that to mean that he has to take it once anytime during
that week, and other people have understood it to mean that he has to
take it daily for that week. Why does 'in the week preceding the full
moon' imply daily for seven days more than it implies three times a
day for seven days? Anyway, I don't see how anyone could understand it
to mean daily all month 'round, or daily for a fortnight. 

"Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27696 :

<< On the Remus.Lupin.net web site ... "It must be taken for a full
two weeks before a full moon to have any effect, and sugar makes it
useless." It must be canon because I knew I had read it somewhere. >>

This is the first I've heard of Remus.Lupin.net and it is not really
good advertising for it that the first I hear of it is that it spreads
misinformation. However, I'd like to visit it since I'm a BIG fan of
Remus Lupin, and my browser says "remus.lupin.net not found".





From marilynpeake at cs.com  Mon Jun 27 02:23:39 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:23:39 -0000
Subject: Great Web Site - Harry Potter Movies
Message-ID: <d9nnvb+qru9@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone,

You may already be aware of the site; but I recently found a great web 
site with a lot of information about Harry Potter movies, including 
plans for future movies:
http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/movie5/directorsearch.shtml

Best Wishes,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com







From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 02:27:18 2005
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:27:18 -0000
Subject: Wolfsbane potion
In-Reply-To: <d9n65c+hsvh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9no66+9f56@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
and whether it's correct. >>
> 
> PoA page 258 UK paperback: Lupin says: "The potion that Professor
> Snape has been making for me is a very recent discovery. It makes me
> safe, you see. As long as I take it in the week preceding the Full
> Moon, I keep my mind when I transform .... I am able to curl up in my
> office, a harmless wolf, and wait for the moon to wane again."
> 
> I understood that to mean that he has to take it once anytime during
> that week, and other people have understood it to mean that he has to
> take it daily for that week. Why does 'in the week preceding the full
> moon' imply daily for seven days more than it implies three times a
> day for seven days? 

Neri:
This is probably because in Ch. 8, when Snape brings Lupin his potion,
he says "I made an entire cauldronful, if you need more" and Lupin
answeres "I should probably take some again tomorrow". All this
apparently takes place in the morning or around noon (not long after
Ron and Hermione leave for Hogsmeade in the morning) so it sounds like
once a day for a week, although other possibities cannot be ruled out.

Neri





From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 05:08:37 2005
From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:08:37 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <d9iku8+34ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9o1kl+o631@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" <bbkkyy55 at y...> 
wrote:
> Your discussion re Christian Bale/Gary Oldman reminded me of my 
> problems with POA.  BTW "Batman Begins" was good.  The story was 
done 
> thoroughly and well.  Good stories seem to go by the wayside these 
> days.  What are the writers doing?  IMO.
> 
> Anyway, I had a whole lot of trouble with David Thewlis as Lupin.  

(snipety snip-snip)

I agree with you, my daughter too...We were expecting POA movie to 
give us more of the interrelationships between Harry, Ron and 
Hermione, since so much of the wizarding world had been exposed in 
films 1 and 2...and we knew a great deal more of the WW would be 
exposed in movie #4(GOF)...I think this may have been a bigger 
disappointment...(esp. since what they did show of Ron and 
Hermione's relationship was them "grabbing hands etc.) More 
realistic and more likely would be bickering/arguing, or even 
teasing...just makes no sense...

We didn't mind the ticking clock...but if the disagreement had been 
played out between ron and hermione then the entire buckbeack 
scenario would have been more believeable!

I think GOF will probably be the best HP film yet...and OOP will 
most likely be the worse...because in OOP so much is Harry's 
interpersonal relations!

I just think that any director making a HP movie should at the very 
least read the book.. If Alfonso had read the book...I think a movie 
of a slightly different flavor would have been made; and we as avid 
readers see this. HP is a character driven story; because we do not 
know the entire plot until the end.. 

  Even in a movie one must move forward character development.(hence 
in LOR trilogy the battle scenes were absolutely spectacular in move 
2 and again before the end of the third movie....but we still see 
excellent character development(not OUTSTANDING...but excellent 
nevertheless)...esp. w/smegol..We didn't get as much from the LOR 
trilogy as the war became worse and more battles occurred! (Yet, we 
had to see the battles to understand what "all the fuss" was about; 
and why Frodo was the only ONE to do what needed to be done...the 
ones who had the least to lose because they lived for hundreds if 
not thousands of years protected by those who protected the Hobbits)

My elder daughter couldn't wait to see POA...she was entirely 
disappointed in it..Her quote was: "I didn't learn anything more 
about Harry and friends...nor even the villains..." She really 
appreciated the fact that in the end Ron, Harry, and Hermione came 
together to help Hagrid out."  I think this is entirely important to 
the plot/theme/characterization of the book and it's characters.

Perhaps the studio/director/JK did this on purpose so more folks 
would read the book...I have five children...only one has read all 
of the books and although I let my children see movies one or two 
w/o reading the books...I do not think that any of them would want 
to read POA after seeing the movie..

My daughter and I read the book again before going to the movie...It 
was very disappointing to us..  I hate going to see a movie and not 
getting at least 1/2 the buzz I had reading the book.  Actually, for 
me, I used to read all of the books in the series all the time...but 
after the movie POA... I skip over POA more often than not...

This means that the movie dampened the book for me...and that's 
pretty bad!!!Extremely bad actually, since I've read all books but 
POA well into double digits..

DD
(who wishes, at the very least...if they are not hiring non-british 
folk to act in the movie...then they should apply it to the rest of 
the filming staff...I don't want George Lucas, Speilberg, or Spike 
Lee to direct these movies either. I want to see something 
different!)








From lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 27 10:53:15 2005
From: lysandrabellargus at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:53:15 -0000
Subject: Wolfsbane potion
In-Reply-To: <d9no66+9f56@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9olqr+9kh5@eGroups.com>

 "Catlady (Rita Prince
> Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> and whether it's correct. >>
 
>I understood that to mean that he has to take it once anytime during
> that week, and other people have understood it to mean that he has 
> to take it daily for that week. Why does 'in the week preceding  
> the full moon' imply daily for seven days more than it implies 
> three times a day for seven days? 
> 
> Neri:
> This is probably because in Ch. 8, when Snape brings Lupin his 
> potion, he says "I made an entire cauldronful, if you need more" 
> and Lupin answeres "I should probably take some again tomorrow". 
> All this apparently takes place in the morning or around noon 
> (not long after Ron and Hermione leave for Hogsmeade in the  
> morning) so it sounds like once a day for a week, although other 
> possibities cannot be ruled out.
> 
> Neri

and in ch. 19 (POA) first page, 
Snape explains: 'You forgot to take your Potion tonight, so I took a 
gobletful along'

I understood this, together with the other text bits, as an 
indication of once a day (preferably evening) for 7 days prior to a 
full moon, but it is not exactly described.

Sandra
-also a huge Lupin Fan-





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Jun 27 13:33:58 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:33:58 -0000
Subject: Wolfsbane potion
In-Reply-To: <d9n65c+hsvh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9ov86+89l4@eGroups.com>

> "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27696 :
> 
> << On the Remus.Lupin.net web site ... "It must be taken for a full
> two weeks before a full moon to have any effect, and sugar makes it
> useless." It must be canon because I knew I had read it somewhere. >>

Catlady:
 
> This is the first I've heard of Remus.Lupin.net and it is not really
> good advertising for it that the first I hear of it is that it 
spreads
> misinformation. However, I'd like to visit it since I'm a BIG fan of
> Remus Lupin, and my browser says "remus.lupin.net not found".

You're saying that things on the internet might not be true?  Steady 
on.  I think I might have to go and lie down.

David





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 14:26:02 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:26:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: speaking of british speak -- question re:  money
In-Reply-To: <d9fj55+soln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050627142602.16419.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- richard_smedley <richard at sc.lug.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Before decimalisation there were 20 shillings in a pound.
> A guinea is 21 shillings. (iow a guinea is worth 5 per cent
> more than a pound.)
> 
> Guineas are still used in a few places such as the bloodstock
> market - and for racing prizes. In my local pub, if a round
> came to, say, GBP10.50, the barman would probably ask for
> ten guineas - but I know of no other barman who does this.
> 
> The Guinea was actually a gold coin issued in the 17th and
> 18th centuries. It's value varied with the price of gold until
> it was fixed, early in the 18th century, at 21 bob (shillings).
> A pound coin was called a sovereign, whereas pound notes are 
> referred to as quids.
> 
> A shilling was made up of 12 pence, which meant that money
> used to be so much easier to divide up between various
> numbers of people than this decimal nonsense with which
> we've been saddled :-/
> 
>  - Richard
> (Still suffering from an unexpected 600 feet climb at the 
> weekend, because I hadn't noticed that the guide book was 
> in metres =^/  )
> 


Um....thanks?  Although I think I'm more confused now than I was at the
start!  :-)


MJ


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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Jun 27 14:32:18 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:32:18 -0000
Subject: speaking of british speak -- question re:  money
In-Reply-To: <d9fj55+soln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9p2li+mc9r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "richard_smedley" 
<richard at s...> wrote:

Richard:

> The Guinea was actually a gold coin issued in the 17th and
> 18th centuries. It's value varied with the price of gold until
> it was fixed, early in the 18th century, at 21 bob (shillings).
> A pound coin was called a sovereign, whereas pound notes are 
> referred to as quids.
> 
> A shilling was made up of 12 pence, which meant that money
> used to be so much easier to divide up between various
> numbers of people than this decimal nonsense with which
> we've been saddled :-/

Geoff:
To be accurate pound notes /were/ referred to as quids. The present 
pound coin is sometimes called by this name though, when we want 
someone to help us with money, the common remark would be "Have you 
got a couple of quid?/a quid?" or something similar but this request 
might be met with a handful of smaller change.





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 16:07:51 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:07:51 -0000
Subject: Wolfsbane potion
In-Reply-To: <d9ov86+89l4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9p88n+a7mv@eGroups.com>

> Catlady:
>  
> > This is the first I've heard of Remus.Lupin.net and it is not really
> > good advertising for it that the first I hear of it is that it 
> spreads misinformation. However, I'd like to visit it since I'm a BIG 
fan of Remus Lupin, and my browser says "remus.lupin.net not found".
> 

Tonks:
I never heard of it either, but here it is:

http://www.remus-lupin.net/

It doesn't look like a very good design to me, loads slow and hard to 
read. But this is the URL.

Tonks_op





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 16:08:16 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:08:16 -0000
Subject: speaking of british speak -- question re:  money
In-Reply-To: <d9fj55+soln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9p89g+h5m7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "richard_smedley"
<richard at s...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...>
wrote:
> > 
> > ... I have a question about money. At one point, a woman says she 
> > was told "two pounds" and another  woman replies that the first 
> > woman is incorrect, it's "two  guineas."  .... What's the 
> > difference in amount of money?
 
 
> Richard: Hi there,
> 
> Before decimalisation there were 20 shillings in a pound.
> A guinea is 21 shillings. (iow a guinea is worth 5 per cent
> more than a pound.)
> 
> Guineas are still used in a few places such as the bloodstock
> market - and for racing prizes. ...
> 
> The Guinea was actually a gold coin issued in the 17th and
> 18th centuries. ...
> 
> ...
> 
>  - Richard

bboyminn:

I'm confused, you say that the Guinea was a gold coin from the 17th
and 18th centuries, then say that it's still used. Do you mean the
term 'Guinea' is still used, or do you mean they still mint the coins?
If the coins are still minted, are they considered real money, do they
have a fixed value recognised by the government beyond the value of
the gold itself? 

To the original poster, it would be nice to know the context of the
conversation that prompted the statement about the correctness of
'Pounds' vs 'Guineas'. We they talking in a modern context, were they
refering money in a historical context? 

Just curious

Steve/bboyminn





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 16:51:18 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: speaking of british speak -- question re:  money
In-Reply-To: <d9p89g+h5m7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050627165118.98320.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> To the original poster, it would be nice to know the context of the
> conversation that prompted the statement about the correctness of
> 'Pounds' vs 'Guineas'. We they talking in a modern context, were they
> refering money in a historical context? 
> 
> Just curious
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 


I'm the one who originally asked the question.  It came up in dialogue
between two characters in the movie "Vera Drake" which was set in the
1950s, I believe. One woman said she'd been told the price was "two
pounds."  The second woman said the first had been told wrong, it was "two
guineas."  Hence my "what's the difference?" question.  

MJ

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From bumbledore at comcast.net  Mon Jun 27 11:05:06 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:05:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
References: <d9o1kl+o631@eGroups.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "doddiemoemoe" <doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:08 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" <bbkkyy55 at y...>
> wrote:
> > Your discussion re Christian Bale/Gary Oldman reminded me of my
> > problems with POA.  BTW "Batman Begins" was good.  The story was
> done
> > thoroughly and well.  Good stories seem to go by the wayside these
> > days.  What are the writers doing?  IMO.
> >
> > Anyway, I had a whole lot of trouble with David Thewlis as Lupin.
>
> (snipety snip-snip)
>
> I agree with you, my daughter too...We were expecting POA movie to
> give us more of the interrelationships between Harry, Ron and
> Hermione, since so much of the wizarding world had been exposed in
> films 1 and 2...and we knew a great deal more of the WW would be
> exposed in movie #4(GOF)...I think this may have been a bigger
> disappointment...(esp. since what they did show of Ron and
> Hermione's relationship was them "grabbing hands etc.) More
> realistic and more likely would be bickering/arguing, or even
> teasing...just makes no sense...
>
> We didn't mind the ticking clock...but if the disagreement had been
> played out between ron and hermione then the entire buckbeack
> scenario would have been more believeable!
>
> I think GOF will probably be the best HP film yet...and OOP will
> most likely be the worse...because in OOP so much is Harry's
> interpersonal relations!
>
> I just think that any director making a HP movie should at the very
> least read the book.. If Alfonso had read the book...I think a movie
> of a slightly different flavor would have been made; and we as avid
> readers see this. HP is a character driven story; because we do not
> know the entire plot until the end..
>
>   Even in a movie one must move forward character development.(hence
> in LOR trilogy the battle scenes were absolutely spectacular in move
> 2 and again before the end of the third movie....but we still see
> excellent character development(not OUTSTANDING...but excellent
> nevertheless)...esp. w/smegol..We didn't get as much from the LOR
> trilogy as the war became worse and more battles occurred! (Yet, we
> had to see the battles to understand what "all the fuss" was about;
> and why Frodo was the only ONE to do what needed to be done...the
> ones who had the least to lose because they lived for hundreds if
> not thousands of years protected by those who protected the Hobbits)
>
> My elder daughter couldn't wait to see POA...she was entirely
> disappointed in it..Her quote was: "I didn't learn anything more
> about Harry and friends...nor even the villains..." She really
> appreciated the fact that in the end Ron, Harry, and Hermione came
> together to help Hagrid out."  I think this is entirely important to
> the plot/theme/characterization of the book and it's characters.
>
> Perhaps the studio/director/JK did this on purpose so more folks
> would read the book...I have five children...only one has read all
> of the books and although I let my children see movies one or two
> w/o reading the books...I do not think that any of them would want
> to read POA after seeing the movie..
>
> My daughter and I read the book again before going to the movie...It
> was very disappointing to us..  I hate going to see a movie and not
> getting at least 1/2 the buzz I had reading the book.  Actually, for
> me, I used to read all of the books in the series all the time...but
> after the movie POA... I skip over POA more often than not...
>
> This means that the movie dampened the book for me...and that's
> pretty bad!!!Extremely bad actually, since I've read all books but
> POA well into double digits..
>
> DD
> (who wishes, at the very least...if they are not hiring non-british
> folk to act in the movie...then they should apply it to the rest of
> the filming staff...I don't want George Lucas, Speilberg, or Spike
> Lee to direct these movies either. I want to see something
> different!)

Well said. Very well said.
 And I think its that "something different", aka the British touch, that has
made Harry Potter the phenomena that it is today.  We don't need touches of
senseless humor, aka Hollywoodization,  in the move. I.E. The fatlady's
breaking of the wine glass in POA. Its a shame that we Americans seem to
celebrate stupidity.

Just look at all the remakes of movies comming out of Hollywood. The only
one that I even think MIGHT be a good remake, is going to be Willy Wonka and
the Choclate factory. Jonny Depp is the only one that I think wcould come
close to the outstanding prior performance of Gene Wilder.




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 21:13:46 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:13:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <004701c57b08$13ce7720$897a0b18@cauldron1>
References: <d9o1kl+o631@eGroups.com>
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On 6/27/05, bumbledore <bumbledore at comcast.net> wrote:

> made Harry Potter the phenomena that it is today.  We don't need touches of
> senseless humor, aka Hollywoodization,  in the move. I.E. The fatlady's
> breaking of the wine glass in POA. Its a shame that we Americans seem to
> celebrate stupidity.

Err, I don't think that was an 'American' idea.  The Fat Lady really
doesn't have that many 'humourous' scenes and they spent money to have
Dawn French... so, she had to do something 'funny' or whatever.

Granted, I don't really 'laugh out loud' from the HP books; it took
*some* HP movie scenes for me to start cracking up.  This isn't saying
I don't find the books amusing but I don't really laugh at the books'
humour--more like snort.  Touching back on the movies, for example, I
kept cracking up during the 'expecto patronum' scenes in POA because
it's like the spell only works when Daniel Radcliffe is
hyperventilating and the camera is shaking.

Dina



From Debby970095 at aol.com  Mon Jun 27 21:33:15 2005
From: Debby970095 at aol.com (Debby970095 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:33:15 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anyone in North-East Texas?
Message-ID: <9a.28f6fde1.2ff1ca9b@aol.com>

Austin is still a ways from me. I am very close to the twin city Texarkana.  
I was hoping there were a few Potter fanatics closer! It is about a 6=8 hour  
drive to Austin from here.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From bumbledore at comcast.net  Mon Jun 27 21:50:14 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:50:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
References: <d9o1kl+o631@eGroups.com> <004701c57b08$13ce7720$897a0b18@cauldron1> <1a27384005062714131ce6d6d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005301c57b62$338b5d30$2c780b18@cauldron1>

By the way, I don't remember JKR writting a comedy series..
if you want jokes, try Comedy Central on Cable TV.

I want a movie that is based on the books and follows the story line, not
that bunch of garbage we got in POA, which up to the time of the movie, WAS
my favorite book. Now its dead last. Heck, OOTP beats it hands down even
with that C___T of a "teacher" by the name of umbridge.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dina Lerret" <bunniqula at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies


> On 6/27/05, bumbledore <bumbledore at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > made Harry Potter the phenomena that it is today.  We don't need touches
of
> > senseless humor, aka Hollywoodization,  in the move. I.E. The fatlady's
> > breaking of the wine glass in POA. Its a shame that we Americans seem to
> > celebrate stupidity.
>
> Err, I don't think that was an 'American' idea.  The Fat Lady really
> doesn't have that many 'humourous' scenes and they spent money to have
> Dawn French... so, she had to do something 'funny' or whatever.
>
> Granted, I don't really 'laugh out loud' from the HP books; it took
> *some* HP movie scenes for me to start cracking up.  This isn't saying
> I don't find the books amusing but I don't really laugh at the books'
> humour--more like snort.  Touching back on the movies, for example, I
> kept cracking up during the 'expecto patronum' scenes in POA because
> it's like the spell only works when Daniel Radcliffe is
> hyperventilating and the camera is shaking.
>
> Dina
>
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From amis917 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 27 23:23:07 2005
From: amis917 at hotmail.com (amis917)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:23:07 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <d9o1kl+o631@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9q1or+6uv7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" <bbkkyy55 at y...>
wrote:

> Anyway, I had a whole lot of trouble with David Thewlis as Lupin.


Amie:
Me too! I'm not quite sure what I was expecting...but it sure wasn't 
what I got!



DD:
I agree with you, my daughter too...We were expecting POA movie to
give us more of the interrelationships between Harry, Ron and
Hermione, <snip> More realistic and more likely would be 
bickering/arguing, or even teasing...just makes no sense...

<snip>

I just think that any director making a HP movie should at the very
least read the book.. If Alfonso had read the book...I think a movie
of a slightly different flavor would have been made; and we as avid
readers see this. HP is a character driven story; because we do not
know the entire plot until the end..


Amie:
I couldn't understand why things were left out and changed around. I 
knew it was going to be different than the book, but I agree that it 
seemed like Alfonso hadn't read it. I really didn't get all of the 
random shots of the whomping willow, birds, etc. If they hadn't put 
all of that in, maybe they could have fit in more story line!



DD:
My daughter and I read the book again before going to the movie...It
was very disappointing to us.. I hate going to see a movie and not
getting at least 1/2 the buzz I had reading the book. Actually, for
me, I used to read all of the books in the series all the time...but
after the movie POA... I skip over POA more often than not...

This means that the movie dampened the book for me...and that's
pretty bad!!!Extremely bad actually, since I've read all books but
POA well into double digits..


Amie:
When I first saw it in the theater, I didn't think it was that bad. 
When I watched it on DVD after it was released, I didn't think it was 
that bad. Now, having just reread the PoA book - I can hardly stand 
to watch it. I get though most parts ok, but I just hate the end. 
It's done so well in the book, I hate that they changed it. I think 
it makes me like the book more though. I can appreciate the story and 
details that I know aren't in the movie.

-Amie. 










From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 00:35:28 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:35:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <005301c57b62$338b5d30$2c780b18@cauldron1>
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Message-ID: <1a273840050627173550bbe5ad@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/27/05, bumbledore <bumbledore at comcast.net> wrote:
> By the way, I don't remember JKR writting a comedy series..
> if you want jokes, try Comedy Central on Cable TV.

Please elaborate on why you felt you *had* to say this?

I simply said I found the movies funnier than the books... all of the
movies--some of it intentional and some of it bizarre editing.

Then again, I didn't find Galaxy Quest very funny but others did.

Dina



From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 01:06:55 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:06:55 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Dobby!!
Message-ID: <d9q7rf+mn3l@eGroups.com>

Today, June 28th is Dobby's birthday... Congrats!...

I wonder how old is he?

Juli





From srbecca at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 28 01:33:32 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:33:32 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <005301c57b62$338b5d30$2c780b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F207EF21A8AF76434DA3C7BA8E10@phx.gbl>

bumbledore wrote: I want a movie that is based on the books and follows the 
story line

>I thought PoA met the criteria..it was based on the book and it followed 
>the story line...I don't see how that could be disputed.  I think however, 
>if you want something that follows every detail of the book and does not 
>"interpret" the book...listen to the book tape.

I'd never let a movie ruin a book for me.  It's one person's take on the 
book.


>bumbledore wrote: By the way, I don't remember JKR writting a comedy 
>series..
>if you want jokes, try Comedy Central on Cable TV.


I find the books extremely funny.  I think JKR writes wonderful jokes.  Way 
funnier than say Drawn Together (comedy central) yeah it's not Chappelle 
Show but it makes me laugh.

Everyone has a different sense of humour..

I didn't care that much for the first two movies but it didn't ruin the 
books for me.
There is only so many ingredients one can put in a burrito before it won't 
close...hence all those details that are excluded.

LOTR, believe it or not left out details and changed what major characters 
did (for example Liv Tyler showing up in the first book/movie) and the 
changes..added things to the love story (I know some of them are from other 
Tolken stories but still).

I love the story with the Sheild Maiden getting together with the brother in 
the end of the last book..but it's not in the film...there was just not 
enough room.
God knows those movies are already sooo freakin long.

These directors have to pick and choose what works for the story they are 
telling...for film not for the page.  Just cause it works visually in your 
mind doesn't mean it does on film..

I am quite happy they finally got a brit to direct..it makes sense.  We will 
see.




>> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>





From bumbledore at comcast.net  Mon Jun 27 21:47:32 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:47:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
References: <d9o1kl+o631@eGroups.com> <004701c57b08$13ce7720$897a0b18@cauldron1> <1a27384005062714131ce6d6d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004701c57b61$d2e6c370$2c780b18@cauldron1>

Explain WHY she had to do something funny, when in the book she doesn't.
Stop making excuses for their lame arse movie making skills.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dina Lerret" <bunniqula at gmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies


> On 6/27/05, bumbledore <bumbledore at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > made Harry Potter the phenomena that it is today.  We don't need touches
of
> > senseless humor, aka Hollywoodization,  in the move. I.E. The fatlady's
> > breaking of the wine glass in POA. Its a shame that we Americans seem to
> > celebrate stupidity.
>
> Err, I don't think that was an 'American' idea.  The Fat Lady really
> doesn't have that many 'humourous' scenes and they spent money to have
> Dawn French... so, she had to do something 'funny' or whatever.
>
> Granted, I don't really 'laugh out loud' from the HP books; it took
> *some* HP movie scenes for me to start cracking up.  This isn't saying
> I don't find the books amusing but I don't really laugh at the books'
> humour--more like snort.  Touching back on the movies, for example, I
> kept cracking up during the 'expecto patronum' scenes in POA because
> it's like the spell only works when Daniel Radcliffe is
> hyperventilating and the camera is shaking.
>
> Dina
>
>
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From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 03:20:53 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:20:53 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <004701c57b61$d2e6c370$2c780b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d9qfml+5t15@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" 
<bumbledore at c...> wrote:
> Explain WHY she had to do something funny, when in the book she 
doesn't.
> Stop making excuses for their lame arse movie making skills.
> 
> 
Juli: Actually I think the books are kinda funny, some scenes had 
made me laugh so hard, like in the first chapter in GoF when they 
discribe the Riddle's bodies being completely healthy except for the 
fact that they were dead?

Or when Crouch Sr Calls Percy "Weatherby"?

When Fred gives Dudley the candy that makes his tongue grow?

In CoS when the Dursleys rehears their dinner plans?

The way Arthur talks to Hermione's parents?

The insults to Snape from the Marauder's map?

In OoP when F&G charm the cauldron and almost kill Sirius with a 
knife?

Sirius as snuffles at the train station?

Or every time Snape yells at Neville?

This scenes are funny, at least to me.

Juli





From srbecca at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 28 06:02:32 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (nebraskatoronto)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:02:32 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <004701c57b61$d2e6c370$2c780b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d9qp5o+10327@eGroups.com>

I don't know maybe Dawn French improvised something and they worked it 
in.  You know that's the funny thing about actors..especially 
comedians who are used to sketch/improv when they act they tend to do 
funny things...They hired Dawn French for a reason..and I don't think 
it's her dramatic work...who cares if they "horror of all horrors" 
added a joke that wasn't there in the book..I know there were plenty 
of those in LOTR..---everyone is allowed to dislike the movies..I'm 
just saying don't let it ruin the book for you..that's just a shame.





From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 07:58:14 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:58:14 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <004701c57b61$d2e6c370$2c780b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d9qvum+10b0f@eGroups.com>

bumbledore:
> Explain WHY she had to do something funny, when in the book she doesn't.
> Stop making excuses for their lame arse movie making skills.
> 

catkind: Now, if it had actually been funny I wouldn't have minded. 
Shame really, Dawn French is usually very witty, and they give her
these silly slapstick things to do. 

A lot of the little added comedy touches I like, actually: Ron and
Hermione's banter *is* funny, and it's grounding.   Ditto the flying
umbrella. Hermione's comment about her hair was possibly the best
moment in the whole film.  

I think it's silly to claim that Cuaron hadn't read the books. Of
course he had.  But film is a different medium, so of course things
had to be changed. Some of the changes are just more successful than
others. 

Actually, what bothers me most about the films are the gratuitous
action moments.  I sort of have the impression they're saying, well,
we've spent so many millions to get a realistic Hippogryff, now we'd
better get some screen time out of him. Now, that was spectacular, but
I'd really have preferred to see more of these wonderful actors
acting. And I can't believe they wasted so much time on Aunt Marge.

catkind





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 10:57:24 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:57:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <004701c57b61$d2e6c370$2c780b18@cauldron1>
References: <d9o1kl+o631@eGroups.com>
	 <004701c57b08$13ce7720$897a0b18@cauldron1>
	 <1a27384005062714131ce6d6d1@mail.gmail.com>
	 <004701c57b61$d2e6c370$2c780b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062803577c970d71@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/27/05, bumbledore <bumbledore at comcast.net> wrote:
> Explain WHY she had to do something funny, when in the book she doesn't.
> Stop making excuses for their lame arse movie making skills.

{sigh}  I'm really at a loss on your overall vitriol and I believe, if
this conversation was to continue with the amount of bitterness I've
seen so far, it'd become personal.  So, we'll just have to disagree on
this point: I found a way to enjoy all the HP movies and you didn't.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 11:43:28 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:43:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <d9qp5o+10327@eGroups.com>
References: <004701c57b61$d2e6c370$2c780b18@cauldron1>
	 <d9qp5o+10327@eGroups.com>
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On 6/28/05, nebraskatoronto <srbecca at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know maybe Dawn French improvised something and they worked it

It's a possibility considering she has been known for mocking some
American ideas--for those who have seen it, remember the
French&Saunders rendition of LOTR with Teletubbies at the Shire?

I didn't think the scene involving the saying 'not going home until
the fat lady sings' worked, even though they were *trying* to be
witty.  However, even when something didn't work, you can still mock
it--turn the TV on mute and provide your own commentary--and still
have fun.  I think it's just a matter of compartmentalizing the movies
and the books.

Dina



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 28 12:59:07 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:59:07 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <d9qfml+5t15@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002901c57be1$2c6ebcc0$0400a8c0@pensive>

Juli: Actually I think the books are kinda funny, some scenes had 
made me laugh so hard, like in the first chapter in GoF when they 
discribe the Riddle's bodies being completely healthy except for the 
fact that they were dead?

Sherry now:
I really disliked the third movie, because POA is my favorite book so far.
But on the topic of humor in the books, it is one of the things that
delighted me so much from the beginning.

The very first paragraph of the very first book, in fact the first sentence.

"Mr. and Mrs. Dursley were proud to say that they were perfectly normal,
thank you very much."

I burst out laughing, because I knew that had to mean they weren't very
normal.

And there are so many others.  The twins are always funny.  Peeves and
Umbridge.  Well, all the teachers and Umbridge.  McGonigal asking Umbridge
if she has a cold.

Harry and the invisibility cloak at the shrieking shack hitting Malfoy with
mud.

Oliver Wood's obsession with Quidditch.

And most of the ones you mentioned except for Snape and Neville.

I do laugh all the way through most of the books.  in fact, one of my
favorite humorous things in POA was left out of the movie, Sir Cadogan.  oh
he was a scream.

Sherry




From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 28 13:09:12 2005
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:09:12 -0400
Subject: Actors in HP Movies
References: <1119959212.518.35033.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <025201c57be2$95271900$9f4856d1@leeannlaptop>


Juli: Actually I think the books are kinda funny, some scenes had
made me laugh so hard, like in the first chapter in GoF when they
discribe the Riddle's bodies being completely healthy except for the
fact that they were dead?


Leeann Now: I'm not trying to get in the middle of anything here. I read 
Juli's post and just wanted to add my feelings as well.  I find the books 
extremely funny. I am in the habit of reading for 30minutes or so before bed 
to help me unwind. I am quite often heard giggling or chuckling in the 
solitude of my room. This is even after having read each book at least 3 
times. Some times I laugh at something I didn't pick up on before, but most 
often I find the same old thing funny. I don't know, call me funny.
    I enjoy both the books and movies. I don't mind that they add things 
such as the Fat Lady's scene. I do however find myself longing for some 
other things that are left out. Like what? I think I can say with some 
certainty that Hermione's teeth will not need to be shrunk because Emma is 
so cute already. It's just unnecessary. I am counting on the incredible 
bouncing ferret though! 




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 14:27:27 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:27:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20050628142727.33913.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com>

*wanders in, mopping brow and tugging on the box of
decorations, trying to get it into the room*

Whew, it's warm in here. Would someone please give me
a hand with these balloons?

I'm a bit late. Saturday's birthday honouree was
Boggles. Belated birthday owls can be sent care of
this list or directly to Boggles at:
boggles at earthlink.net

I hope your day was magical and brought everything you
wished for.

Happy Birthday, Boggles!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, whose only excuse for
tardiness is the heat that's melting her brain

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 14:31:42 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:31:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, heather lass!
Message-ID: <20050628143144.75910.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

*makes the ultimate sacrifice and turns on the oven to
bake a cake*

Do you *know* how hot it is in my kitchen? I wouldn't
be baking in this weather if I didn't really love you
all!

Today's birthday honouree is heather lass. Birthday
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to:
explodingoatmeal at yahoo.com

I hope your birthday is filled with fun, magic and the
company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, heather lass!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, sweating on the keyboard

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 14:42:30 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:42:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <002901c57be1$2c6ebcc0$0400a8c0@pensive>
References: <d9qfml+5t15@eGroups.com> <002901c57be1$2c6ebcc0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062807421cda0b94@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/28/05, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I do laugh all the way through most of the books.  in fact, one of my
> favorite humorous things in POA was left out of the movie, Sir Cadogan.  oh
> he was a scream.

I do consider the books as having 'light-hearted' moments but I don't
really 'laugh out loud' at any moment.  As to the Weasley twins, they
can be comical at times but then they can also show a spiteful side
too--offhand, the 'booing' of a new Slytherin.

Dina



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 14:42:46 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:42:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Tips for beating the heat?
Message-ID: <20050628144246.36266.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>

This is Canada I live in, right? Land of ice and snow?
Well, I'd really appreciate a little ice and snow
today. Short of diving into the freezer downstairs,
it's not going to happen, though. 

Despite Toronto's thinking it's the centre of the
universe and monopolising the Weather Network,
complaining about the heat, we're currently a few
degrees warmer than they are. With an anticipated
humidex reading of 42 C today, I'm looking for ways to
cool off this house a bit. 

Usually I can cool it off a fair bit overnight by
leaving all the windows and doors open. Not last
night. It was still horridly hot and sticky when I
finished work at midnight. I only managed to get the
house cooled down to, according to the kitchen
thermostat, 86 F. Don't ask why we have a thermostat
in F when the whole country uses C. 

I have ceiling fans in the living and dining rooms,
which are not really separate rooms - just one big
l-shaped room. I have an oscillating fan on the dining
room table, pointed towards the living room. Another
on the far end of the living room floor, also pointed
at the couch and love seat. Today, all they're doing
is moving around warm air. Any tips on cooling this
place off a bit? Or just cooling me off a bit?

Sheryll, tired of sweating on the keyboard and out of
new movies to watch

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From gromm at cards.lanck.net  Tue Jun 28 16:04:01 2005
From: gromm at cards.lanck.net (Maria Gromova)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:04:01 +0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Dobby!!
References: <d9q7rf+mn3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006701c57bfb$33fd8e70$3c41983e@maria>

Juli wrote:


> Today, June 28th is Dobby's birthday... Congrats!...
> 
> I wonder how old is he?
> 
Maria:
Probably several hundred years, from what I know about elves.






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 16:47:18 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:47:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tips for beating the heat?
In-Reply-To: <20050628144246.36266.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050628144246.36266.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062809477fac9473@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/28/05, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sheryll, tired of sweating on the keyboard and out of
> new movies to watch

Cool towel on the back of the neck or wrapped icepack on the neck.

Why Floridians love their air conditioners. {g}  Ironically, I like
sticking around at the office: A/C without worrying about personally
paying the bills, internet, cable TV (though, it's only basic and in
the boss' office but he has a glass partition and is out most of the
time), VCR and DVD player/recorders.

Dina



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 17:19:56 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:19:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tips for beating the heat?
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005062809477fac9473@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050628171957.72514.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>

Sheryll:
> 
> > Sheryll, tired of sweating on the keyboard and out
> of
> > new movies to watch
> 
Dina:
> Cool towel on the back of the neck or wrapped
> icepack on the neck.
> 
> Why Floridians love their air conditioners. {g} 
> Ironically, I like
> sticking around at the office: A/C without worrying
> about personally
> paying the bills, internet, cable TV (though, it's
> only basic and in
> the boss' office but he has a glass partition and is
> out most of the
> time), VCR and DVD player/recorders.
> 
Sheryll:

Oh, yes, damp facecloth on the back of the neck is
working wonders. Am not sweating so much on the
keyboard. :)

Nyssa and I are now pondering what to have for dinner
that involves the least cooking possible. Thank
goodness for all the salad ingredients in the fridge!

It's up to 41 C with the humidex reading. Poor Toronto
is whining how hot it is there and it's only 37. Of
course, these are the folks who called in the army to
help them with a large snowfall. :-D

Sheryll, who considered moving to Churchill, Manitoba
because it snowed there on Friday <vbg>

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 18:35:08 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:35:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tips for beating the heat?
In-Reply-To: <20050628171957.72514.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1a27384005062809477fac9473@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20050628171957.72514.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005062811351cbe5996@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/28/05, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
> Nyssa and I are now pondering what to have for dinner
> that involves the least cooking possible. Thank
> goodness for all the salad ingredients in the fridge!

Mmm, salad.  Fruit and/or veggie salads?


> Sheryll, who considered moving to Churchill, Manitoba
> because it snowed there on Friday <vbg>

I'd keel over as an ice cube.  I've only seen snow [in person] once. 
I think the folk living up north are made of sterner stuff.  Though,
one thing I definitely don't like about heat&humidity is how it makes
you more lethargic than cold weather.  It's like you have to get stuff
done but... bleh.

Dina



From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Jun 28 19:22:56 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:22:56 -0000
Subject: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005062804436d176650@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9s82g+4am6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
 However, even when something didn't work, you can still mock
> it--turn the TV on mute and provide your own commentary--and still
> have fun.  I think it's just a matter of compartmentalizing the movies
> and the books.
> 
> Dina

I agree with Dina on this.  Others had seen PoA before me and said how 
disappointing it was, how it changed the story and left out fundamental 
bits, but I went to see it anyway to make up my own mind.
I think its the best one so far in terms of how the acting has 
improved, and for me it was still very magical, but I do have to 
compartmentalise and not let one cloud my view of the other.(Film cloud 
book and vice versa)  PoA is my favourite book (well, now I've actually 
said that I quite like GoF and I've nearly finished OotP again ...).  
You couldn't possibly fit all the little side stories in, and I think 
with GoF it will be even more disappointing for some "purists".  I like 
to think of them as just another facet to the Harry Potter world, and 
frankly I know the stories so well I can just fill in the blanks!!!
Sarah xx





From bumbledore at comcast.net  Tue Jun 28 19:58:38 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:58:38 -0400
Subject: HP GOF MOVIE RULES
Message-ID: <004101c57c1b$c6a76eb0$02760b18@cauldron1>

I prefer to go to a movie at first thing in the moring or early afternoon during a weekday, when the majority of patrons won't be there. Why? 
Because in the book I didn't have a pair of stupid giggly 30+ women sitting
behind me:

1.Saying "no that's not right, in the book...."
2.Giggling like 6 year old schoolgirls at totally inappropriate moments.
3.Thinking that slowly sliding their hands into their dozen packets of crisps
which they held at my ear would make less noise.
4.No running commentary "Oh, I remember this bit, this is when...."

If you are going to watch the movie, sit down and shut up. No one is interested
in your opinion except you. Don't take rustling bags of sweets with you, and do
not go in with the opinion that you are the only person who has read a harry
potter book, thus making you an authority. If people wanted to hear your voice,
they would ask for your cellphone number. Just watch the movie, and if you want
to dissect it, do it when it's finished and you are on your way home. h

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 20:35:11 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:35:11 -0000
Subject: Live 8
Message-ID: <d9sc9v+vj06@eGroups.com>

I guess most of you have heard about thee Live 8 Concerts taking place 
all over the world, for those of you who haven't let me tell you what 
it's all about: Live 8 are 10 concerts being held on July 2nd on 
London, Philadelphia, Rome, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Barrie (near 
Toronto), Tokyo, Johannesburg, and at Eden (Scotland). These concerts 
are deigned to put preasure into world leaders into cancelling debt to 
the poorest countries in the world and to helping out a bit more. The 
G8 Summit will take place on July 6th at Edinburgh, there the leaders 
of the 8 most powerful nations in the world will decide what to do 
about the situation in Africa and other places. All Live 8 is asking 
us to do is sign a declaration, a declaration that will be sent to the 
world leaders at the G8. For more information go to: 
http://www.live8live.com or http://www.one.org

Thanks
Juli





From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 20:44:30 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:44:30 -0000
Subject: Live 8
In-Reply-To: <d9sc9v+vj06@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9scre+v3hd@eGroups.com>

I forgot to tell you, the concerts are all FREE, and the line up is 
excellent, so if you live near any of this cities you should try to 
get there. Check at Live8live.com to see directions and how to get 
your free tickets, and of course see who's playing!

Also check out http://www.makepovertyhistory.org

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
> I guess most of you have heard about thee Live 8 Concerts taking 
place 
> all over the world, for those of you who haven't let me tell you 
what 
> it's all about: Live 8 are 10 concerts being held on July 2nd on 
> London, Philadelphia, Rome, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Barrie (near 
> Toronto), Tokyo, Johannesburg, and at Eden (Scotland). These 
concerts 
> are deigned to put preasure into world leaders into cancelling 
debt to 
> the poorest countries in the world and to helping out a bit more. 
The 
> G8 Summit will take place on July 6th at Edinburgh, there the 
leaders 
> of the 8 most powerful nations in the world will decide what to do 
> about the situation in Africa and other places. All Live 8 is 
asking 
> us to do is sign a declaration, a declaration that will be sent to 
the 
> world leaders at the G8. For more information go to: 
> http://www.live8live.com or http://www.one.org
> 
> Thanks
> Juli





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 21:36:58 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:36:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tips for beating the heat?
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005062811351cbe5996@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050628213658.25182.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

Sheryll:
>  
> > Nyssa and I are now pondering what to have for
> dinner
> > that involves the least cooking possible. Thank
> > goodness for all the salad ingredients in the
> fridge!
>
Dina: 
> Mmm, salad.  Fruit and/or veggie salads?
> 
Sheryll:
We considered fish and chips but changed the chips to
salad. Neither of us want to go to the store for
either potatoes or frozen fries. :)
> 
Sheryll:
> > Sheryll, who considered moving to Churchill,
> Manitoba
> > because it snowed there on Friday <vbg>
> 
Dina:
> I'd keel over as an ice cube.  I've only seen snow
> [in person] once. 
> I think the folk living up north are made of sterner
> stuff.  Though,
> one thing I definitely don't like about
> heat&humidity is how it makes
> you more lethargic than cold weather.  It's like you
> have to get stuff
> done but... bleh.
> 
Sheryll:
I think that's what makes the heat so hard to take -
the fact that barely 4-5 months ago it was -30 C. It
can be hard to take sometimes, living somewhere where
the temps can vary much as 80 degrees Celsius in
opposite seasons. 

I don't mind the snow at all. I could live without the
extreme cold, but there's nothing quite like
temperatures just below the freezing mark with large,
fluffy snowflakes falling. 

Sheryll, definitely lethargic but going out once it
gets dark :)

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 00:39:49 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:39:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Actors in HP movies
In-Reply-To: <d9s82g+4am6@eGroups.com>
References: <1a27384005062804436d176650@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d9s82g+4am6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050628173976e94685@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/28/05, Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:
.
> You couldn't possibly fit all the little side stories in, and I think
> with GoF it will be even more disappointing for some "purists".  I like
> to think of them as just another facet to the Harry Potter world, and

The irony is there are folks who think OMGWTFBBQ GOF WASN'T MADE INTO
TWO MOVIES!!! THE MOVIE IS SOOOO GOING TO SUCK!!!11eleven23!!
(infamous Capslock of Rage (tm))  And then there are those who think
GOF is going to be the best movie of the lot.  I'm like 'the movie
isn't even *out* yet'.

Y'know what, I'm in a good spot in life--albeit, I'm poor--and I'm
going to enjoy it.  Plus, I stopped reading a good deal of HP fanfic,
which was causing headaches--and no, I'm not joking for those who
haven't seen some of the most... GAH! off of FF.net, for example.

Come November, I'm going to enjoy seeing GOF on the big screen.  That
and it'll be the first movie I've seen in the theaters since POA.


> frankly I know the stories so well I can just fill in the blanks!!!

I'll probably be seeing the movie with my brother, so it makes for an
interesting comparison since he's only ever seen the movies.  Offhand,
the only question he asked me after POA was 'what was Lupin giving
Harry' and I'm like 'chocolate laced with drugs - hence, Lupin saying
it'll make Harry feel better [*really* better]'.  Heh, yeah, 'fill in
the blanks'. ;-)  At first, he thought it was beef jerky. {g}

Dina



From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 29 01:25:39 2005
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HP GoF movie rules
Message-ID: <20050629012539.64472.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com>

On behalf of the women here at HPfGU-OTC who are 30+, 
capable of good citizenship in a movie theater, and 
see movies during popular showings, I would just like 
to register a most sincere and heartfelt "WHEW!" upon 
hearing this from bumbledore:

> I prefer to go to a movie at first thing in the
> moring or early afternoon during a weekday, when
> the majority of patrons won't be there.

This <nods> indeed would be for the best, especially 
recommended with a chunk of chocolate in hand.  With 
the non-rustling wrappers of course.

Petra
a
n  ;p

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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Jun 29 03:40:01 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:40:01 EDT
Subject: Audio book links
Message-ID: <1e6.3eacc01b.2ff37211@aol.com>

I was looking for some more information about the audio books and  came 
across this site. There are 4 audio messages, one for librarians, the other  3 for 
patrons.
 
 I get a kick out of hearing Jim Dale say
"Dear muggle. This is Jim Dale, narrator of the Harry Potter  series...."
 
_http://library.booksontape.com/bookdetail.cfm/YA760CX_ 
(http://library.booksontape.com/bookdetail.cfm/YA760CX) 
 
Click on the picture of Jim Dale to hear his message to librarians. 
Down further are messages that libraries can use to let patrons know that  
their copy is ready to be picked up.
 
Oh, and there is also this
_http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/content.asp?sec=5&sec2=2_ 
(http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/content.asp?sec=5&sec2=2) 
 
The "Weasley Countdown Clock" 
 
And yes, I made one. 
 
Have fun!
 
---Mary, counting down and adjusting her costume


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed Jun 29 04:44:19 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:44:19 -0000
Subject: Audio book links
In-Reply-To: <1e6.3eacc01b.2ff37211@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d9t8v3+5j8u@eGroups.com>

I have never listened to the audio books, though I do own both the 
British and American editions of the books.  I might have to 
consider getting the audio versions.  They might be a pleasant way 
to commute to work.

So Jim Dale is British as well?  I had never heard his voice. Now I 
just need to find a sample of Stephen Fry's voice.

While I have frequently ordered books from amazon.co.uk, it looks as 
though the audio books are mighty pricy, especially when converting 
pounds sterling to US dollars.  What is an alternate source for an 
American customer to order the Stephen Fry versions of the books?

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> I was looking for some more information about the audio books and  
came 
> across this site. There are 4 audio messages, one for librarians, 
the other  3 for 
> patrons.
>  
>  I get a kick out of hearing Jim Dale say
> "Dear muggle. This is Jim Dale, narrator of the Harry Potter  
series...."
>  
> _http://library.booksontape.com/bookdetail.cfm/YA760CX_ 
> (http://library.booksontape.com/bookdetail.cfm/YA760CX) 
>  
> Click on the picture of Jim Dale to hear his message to 
librarians. 
> Down further are messages that libraries can use to let patrons 
know that  
> their copy is ready to be picked up.
>  
> Oh, and there is also this
> _http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/content.asp?sec=5&sec2=2_ 
> (http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/content.asp?sec=5&sec2=2) 
>  
> The "Weasley Countdown Clock" 
>  
> And yes, I made one. 
>  
> Have fun!
>  
> ---Mary, counting down and adjusting her costume
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





From spoonmerlin at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 29 05:32:10 2005
From: spoonmerlin at yahoo.com (Brent)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:32:10 -0000
Subject: Audio book links
In-Reply-To: <d9t8v3+5j8u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9tboq+mv1r@eGroups.com>

Some times you can find used versions on these on ebay or half.com.

I prefer the Stephen Fry ones myself but they are a bit harder to 
find in the US.

Jim Dale seems to read through pretty fast compared to Fry or it 
seems that way.  For book 1 it is only 20min longer in the fry 
version though.  8:05 vs 8:23.

If you are looking for MP3 versions here is a cheap auction.  I would 
question how official they are as it states "THESE DISCS WERE 
IMPORTED FROM MALAYSIA AND WERE ORIGINALLY SOLD IN THE FAR 
EAST..."  .  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=41514&item=6966311572&rd=1

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> I have never listened to the audio books, though I do own both the 
> British and American editions of the books.  I might have to 
> consider getting the audio versions.  They might be a pleasant way 
> to commute to work.
> 
> So Jim Dale is British as well?  I had never heard his voice. Now I 
> just need to find a sample of Stephen Fry's voice.
> 
> While I have frequently ordered books from amazon.co.uk, it looks 
as 
> though the audio books are mighty pricy, especially when converting 
> pounds sterling to US dollars.  What is an alternate source for an 
> American customer to order the Stephen Fry versions of the books?
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> > I was looking for some more information about the audio books 
and  
> came 
> > across this site. There are 4 audio messages, one for librarians, 
> the other  3 for 
> > patrons.
> >  
> >  I get a kick out of hearing Jim Dale say
> > "Dear muggle. This is Jim Dale, narrator of the Harry Potter  
> series...."
> >  
> > _http://library.booksontape.com/bookdetail.cfm/YA760CX_ 
> > (http://library.booksontape.com/bookdetail.cfm/YA760CX) 
> >  
> > Click on the picture of Jim Dale to hear his message to 
> librarians. 
> > Down further are messages that libraries can use to let patrons 
> know that  
> > their copy is ready to be picked up.
> >  
> > Oh, and there is also this
> > _http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/content.asp?sec=5&sec2=2_ 
> > (http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/content.asp?sec=5&sec2=2) 
> >  
> > The "Weasley Countdown Clock" 
> >  
> > And yes, I made one. 
> >  
> > Have fun!
> >  
> > ---Mary, counting down and adjusting her costume
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Wed Jun 29 13:41:57 2005
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:41:57 -0000
Subject: Audio book links
In-Reply-To: <d9t8v3+5j8u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9u8f5+asbh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> I have never listened to the audio books, though I do own both the 
> British and American editions of the books.  I might have to 
> consider getting the audio versions.  They might be a pleasant way 
> to commute to work.
> <snip>

2 beagles:
I bought all of the Jim Dale audio books on CD, and I listen to them 
at work.  An excellent way to speed up a mundane day!!  I'm so glad 
that they are performed by a brit, it sets the mood properly.  As an 
American, I don't think an American accent could have pulled that off.

> 
> While I have frequently ordered books from amazon.co.uk, it looks as 
> though the audio books are mighty pricy, especially when converting 
> pounds sterling to US dollars.  What is an alternate source for an 
> American customer to order the Stephen Fry versions of the books?
> 
> Joe

2 beagles:
Since the audio books retail anywhere from $50 (US) to $75 each, 
buying them slightly used through Amazon is a great deal.  I think I 
paid between $12(SS) and $25(OotP) for each one.  Under the used 
section through Amazon, you can even find new editions through a third 
party that are cheap (relatively speaking).







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 29 16:43:42 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000
Subject: HP GOF MOVIE RULES
In-Reply-To: <004101c57c1b$c6a76eb0$02760b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d9uj3u+sqkh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" 
<bumbledore at c...> wrote:
> I prefer to go to a movie at first thing in the moring or early 
afternoon during a weekday, when the majority of patrons won't be 
there. 

Tonks:

I agree. I like to go to a early afternoon show because the kids are 
not there. And I like having the place almost to myself, like a 
private showing. I can get the seat that I like, left side - last 
row. No one to kick my seat, no one tall in front or with a cap on. 
Ghesh.. don't people teach their kids anything these days.. take you 
cap off when you go in. Sit STILL.  Shut UP...  

Well I only come out of my hermit's cave now and then. So people in 
general are annoying at times. I don't like a lot of noise. Oh, ya.. 
why do they always have to have the sound SO LOUD. I wear earplugs 
when I go to the movies.  Must be all of those teens who have blown 
their eardrums on rock music.  And yes, I get the senior citizen 
discount. Can't you tell? ;-)






From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Jun 29 17:40:32 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:40:32 EDT
Subject: Audio book links
Message-ID: <20e.3db03df.2ff43710@aol.com>

"Joe Bento" wrote:

So Jim Dale is British  as well?   

I write:
Yes, he is. He's a very inspirational actor in a non-traditional way---and  
that is NOT a backhanded compliment. <g>
 
When I first heard the books, I looked him up on the web and found him at 
http://www.jim-dale.com/
 
I discovered that he played my favorite character in the movie "Pete's  
Dragon." Jim is the villain who wants to cut up the dragon and sell the bits in  
potions. He was the only really memorable person in the movie.
 
In an interview on Audiobooks Today, he talks about getting the contract to  
do the first Harry Potter book. They were looking for someone who could do 
lots  of different voices. At the time, Jim was in a play where 3 actors played 
33  characters. It was only after he had signed the contract that they learned  
that Jim played only ONE character.
 
Now, of course, Jim has won lots of awards for the number and quality  of his 
characters in the HP audio books. You can read what he says at
 
http://www.audiobookstoday.com/FtrLst.cfm?FtrCatCod=1&Code=544
 
I also like the graciousness and sense of humor he shows about the change  in 
his life as the result of doing the Harry Potter books. 
 
---Mary



From PenapartElf at aol.com  Wed Jun 29 18:55:14 2005
From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:55:14 EDT
Subject: seeking HP fans in Scotland
Message-ID: <ba.74cb75f6.2ff44892@aol.com>

A request has arrived here at Hexquarters from Vicky Allan 
(a reporter with the Scottish newspaper Sunday Herald) 
who is seeking to speak to adult HP fans in Scotland. As 
she already has the female perspectives well covered, 
Vicky is looking for male points of view at this time.
 
Please contact Vicky directly via phone at 0131 620 2806 
or via email at vickallan @yahoo.co.uk (without that extra 
space) if you or someone you know fits the bill.
 
Thanks!
 
:) Penapart Elf



From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Jun 29 19:21:56 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:21:56 -0000
Subject: Weasley Countdown Clock
In-Reply-To: <1e6.3eacc01b.2ff37211@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d9usck+4882@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> The "Weasley Countdown Clock" 
>  
> And yes, I made one. 
>  
> Have fun!
>  
> ---Mary, counting down and adjusting her costume

Yes, I confess I made one too, much to the amusement of my 34 yr old 
husband and 15 yr old son, who thought for a nearly 33 yr old mum it 
was a bit "Blue Peter" to be cutting out cereal boxes and prit sticking 
things to it.  My (colour) clock is proudly displayed on my noticeboard 
ready for action on Friday, when the countdown begins in earnest - Yay!

Sarah xx
Who has finished OotP again and still cried when Sirius died, and 
shouted in frustration when they all conveniently forgot that Snape was 
in the Order.  "SNAPE YOU FOOLS, GO TO SNAPE!!"





From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Jun 29 20:21:13 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:21:13 -0000
Subject: Stone archway in Death Chamber
Message-ID: <d9uvrp+vha0@eGroups.com>

As you know, I've just finished OotP (again), and as ever when you 
read a book for the zillionth time (probably slight exaggeration 
there), you pick up things that you've missed before, or don't 
understand the relevance of and there are so many unanswered 
questions about the stone archway that I thought some of you learned 
people might have a theory (or two) for.
Right, knowing what we know about a certain person and the archway it 
obviously has a major significance, and we still don't know if that 
certain person really is dead and gone, just gone, or in an alternate 
universe ... but that's not what I'm concerned about because I think 
a lot of those issues will be at least pertially answered in HBP.
What I want to know is "what is the fascination, the mesmerising 
quality of the archway that scares Hermione and entrances Harry?"  
What intrigues him?  What makes him want to walk through it?  Why can 
only Luna and Harry hear the voices and not Neville? (thinking along 
the lines of the Thestrals).  Why does it enthrall Harry, Ginny and 
Neville and yet Ron seems indifferent and Hermione seems absolutely 
terrified?

Maybe I'm a bit slow and these thoughts had never really occured to 
me before, but this time it really jumped out at me as possibly 
significant.
Anyway, I look forward to some interesting theories.
Sarah xx





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 21:10:06 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:10:06 -0400
Subject: Bets on if movie!GOF will be the worst?
Message-ID: <1a273840050629141010c8abff@mail.gmail.com>

I'm still trying to catch-up on LJ reading and I'm amused to read this:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/harry_potter/3037992.html?style=mine

This person *promises* GOF will be the worst HP movie. {chuckle}

Dina



From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed Jun 29 23:22:39 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:22:39 -0000
Subject: Audio book links
In-Reply-To: <d9u8f5+asbh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9vafv+hu12@eGroups.com>


I just took advantage of a buy-it-now option on ebay for all five Jim
Dale CD audio books new and shrink wrapped for $159.  That didn't
sound like a bad deal at all.  I figured I owe myself a gift, and my
credit card balance is (was) at zero, so....  :-) 


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "twobeaglesgirl" <cquinn at m...>
wrote:

> 2 beagles:
> Since the audio books retail anywhere from $50 (US) to $75 each, 
> buying them slightly used through Amazon is a great deal.  I think I 
> paid between $12(SS) and $25(OotP) for each one.  Under the used 
> section through Amazon, you can even find new editions through a third 
> party that are cheap (relatively speaking).





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun 29 23:45:01 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:45:01 -0700
Subject: Sitting though movie credits and an odd question
References: <d9vafv+hu12@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b101c57d04$91961340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Am I the only movie goers, who after
seeing one too many movies with
'scenes' at the end of the credits, now
sits through EVERY movie credit reel
just in case?

I just sit there, absently watching the
screen, occasionally commenting on how
bloody long the things are, waiting for
an extra scene (Maybe if I'm with other
people we discuss the movie while
absently watching credits).  I've known
at least one or two other people doing
this, especially when it's a Disney
live action movie (Pirates of the
Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, both of
which had things).

Just wondering if I'm the only weirdo.

Also for my weird question.  This has
been bugging me since Monday.  I went
to a Town Hall for a meeting about our
Fire Chief who was suspended for a
bunch of stuff that's taken care of
now.  But one of the issues raised was
that he trained his fire
personnel/First Responders sixty (60)
hours instead of the required four (4).

...how is this a problem?  They're all
volunteers, they're willing to do the
time and frankly the town would like
the better trained personnel (think
about it, would you rather have an
emergency worder trained sixty hours a
year or four?).

So...can someone explain to me where
the problem would be?  Maybe I'm just
young and stupid and don't get it.

Saitaina
****
"I like kids in theory...it's the
practice I'm having trouble with."

"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 29 23:48:48 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Stone archway in Death Chamber
In-Reply-To: <d9uvrp+vha0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050629234848.77823.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>

Sarah asked:
 
...edit...

What I want to know is "what is the fascination, the mesmerising 
quality of the archway that scares Hermione and entrances Harry?"  
What intrigues him?  What makes him want to walk through it?  Why can 
only Luna and Harry hear the voices and not Neville? (thinking along 
the lines of the Thestrals).  Why does it enthrall Harry, Ginny and 
Neville and yet Ron seems indifferent and Hermione seems absolutely 
terrified?

...edit.
 
Kemper answers:
I think the majority of us geek/nerd/rockin' HP fans agree that Harry and Luna here the whispering behind the veil because they witnessed death. Ginny is distracted as well, I think, because of being 'possessed' by Tom Riddle.  Neville.  Not quite sure why he's distracted, perhaps because he may have witnessed the torture of his parents but maybe he, too, was possessed by Bellatrix (which starts me theorizing... what if Bellatrix, or one of the others, possessed Neville and through Neville, who was holding his father's wand, Crucio'd Frank and Alice? Hmm...) Ron and Hermiione don't hear the whispering because they haven't directly experienced any sort of loss of themselves.
Hermione is freaked because her spider senses are tingling.
To expand on the theory of those witnessing death hear the voices... I believe that the more death you witness the louder and perhaps more corporal the voices become.
 
What do you think?


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From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Thu Jun 30 00:35:48 2005
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:35:48 -0000
Subject: Audio book links
In-Reply-To: <d9vafv+hu12@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9vep4+nl10@eGroups.com>

That is a great deal.  And you save on shipping that way, too.  I 
just checked out Amazon and they are a little more spendy than 6 
months ago, probably due to the upcoming 
HPB release.  So congrats!  You'll enjoy them. I've listened to all 
of them twice since I got them in January.  Oh, and I checked my 
buying history and I did pay $37 for GoF.  For some reason, that one 
was a lot more expensive than OotP.  Go figure.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> 
> I just took advantage of a buy-it-now option on ebay for all five 
Jim
> Dale CD audio books new and shrink wrapped for $159.  That didn't
> sound like a bad deal at all.  I figured I owe myself a gift, and 
my
> credit card balance is (was) at zero, so....  :-) 
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "twobeaglesgirl" 
<cquinn at m...>
> wrote:
> 
> > 2 beagles:
> > Since the audio books retail anywhere from $50 (US) to $75 each, 
> > buying them slightly used through Amazon is a great deal.  I 
think I 
> > paid between $12(SS) and $25(OotP) for each one.  Under the used 
> > section through Amazon, you can even find new editions through a 
third 
> > party that are cheap (relatively speaking).





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 00:52:45 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:52:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sitting though movie credits and an odd question
In-Reply-To: <00b101c57d04$91961340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <d9vafv+hu12@eGroups.com>
	 <00b101c57d04$91961340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a273840050629175228e5fe10@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/29/05, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Am I the only movie goers, who after
> seeing one too many movies with
> 'scenes' at the end of the credits, now
> sits through EVERY movie credit reel
> just in case?

I sit through the credits when possible (I want my money's worth -
plus, extended air conditioning!), though, I've only seen five or less
movies in the theater over the past decade.  On the other hand, my
family doesn't wait and I usually go with one of them.  In the case of
POA, I had to tell my brother there was 'something' at the end of the
credits--and most of us know there really isn't that much but I was
amused by the footprints.


> that he trained his fire
> personnel/First Responders sixty (60)
> hours instead of the required four (4).
> 
> ...how is this a problem?  They're all
> volunteers, they're willing to do the
> time and frankly the town would like

Possible the argument could be, if he's "wasting" the time of these
volunteers, what else is he "wasting".  Then a person could say he
wasn't following protocol and, again, use the alleged 'future
scenarios' of what other rules is he breaking, especially when some
rules--when broken--have legal ramifications.  Et cetera, et cetera.

Dina



From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 30 01:39:31 2005
From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:39:31 -0000
Subject: Funny parts and HP Movies
Message-ID: <d9vigj+k5a8@eGroups.com>

My favorite funny part is in COS when the trio visit Hagrid, and 
Hagrid starts teasing Harry about not giving him an autograph.  Then 
mentions that Ginny would probably want one too.  That part makes me 
chuckle every time.

Regarding the movies.  I saw Movie 1 and 2 before I read the books.  
When I finally read the books I was, of course, more impressed.  
That's how I became an avid fan.  IMO the ideal is to see the movie 
first, then get the REAL thing by reading the book.  Of course you 
can't do that when your pacing the floor waiting for the next book to 
come out.  Sigh.  

I have to convince myself that the movie is the movie and the BOOK is 
the BOOK.  They may have the same title, but otherwise they will be 
different.  If I don't expect a lot maybe I won't be dissapointed.

If I see the movie several times, I can get used to their 
interpretations.  I saw Movie 3 of LOTR 8 times in the theaters.  
Everyone I know thinks I'm a total nut.  Of course, the book was and 
is a whole lot better.







From swartell at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 30 03:29:10 2005
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sitting though movie credits and an odd question
In-Reply-To: <00b101c57d04$91961340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <20050630032910.61292.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> Am I the only movie goers, who after
> seeing one too many movies with
> 'scenes' at the end of the credits, now
> sits through EVERY movie credit reel
> just in case?
> 

We always stay for all the credits.  Our son is a big
fan of credits (really), and it's paid off a few times
when they have the little treats at the end.  I always
thought it was a bit weird, but the last time we
stayed to the bitter end another woman left the
theatre when we did and commented that she usually
left alone because she _always_ stayed to the final
credit.

Sue

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From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 30 04:14:50 2005
From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:14:50 -0000
Subject: Stone archway in Death Chamber
In-Reply-To: <d9uvrp+vha0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d9vrjq+4faq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:

> What I want to know is "what is the fascination, the mesmerising 
> quality of the archway that scares Hermione and entrances Harry?"  
> What intrigues him?  What makes him want to walk through it?  Why 
can 
> only Luna and Harry hear the voices and not Neville? (thinking 
along 
> the lines of the Thestrals).  Why does it enthrall Harry, Ginny 
and 
> Neville and yet Ron seems indifferent and Hermione seems 
absolutely 
> terrified?
> 
> Maybe I'm a bit slow and these thoughts had never really occured 
to 
> me before, but this time it really jumped out at me as possibly 
> significant.
> Anyway, I look forward to some interesting theories.
> Sarah xx

This section of the book jumps out at me too....

Most doorways do not only go one way...if you can enter them, you 
should be able to exit them as well...

Perhaps those who died "with a message" for someone can communicate
(but not return) through the veil!  Hence the significance of 
mirrors..including the mirror Sirius gave Harry.  Harry may have 
forgotten all about the mirror...but Sirius probably would have kept 
it with him at all times in case Harry needed him and also because 
he was longing for company.  Perhaps the message from Harry/Luna's 
parents would be more pressing/urgent/necessary since their deaths 
were sudden...more than any of Neville/Ginny's relatives who are on 
the other side of the veil...(Neville's Grandad and Ginny's uncles 
Gideon and Fabian Prewett.

Also one thing about the mirror Sirius gave to Harry was that time 
and space matter regarding magic and Harry may simply have to wait 
or be close to the veil to communicate with Sirius on the other 
side.  This is as far as my mind has gone thus far.

Ron tends to be rather insisitive to Nearly Headless Nick, and 
reacts with incredulty when fake Moody AK's the Spider in class...so 
we see that he is not too proccupied with death...and Hermione shys 
away from what she cannot grasp/understand fully...hence she doesn't 
want to hurt Nick's feelings..but the deathday party did seem to 
creep her out a bit.

According to "mythical/wizard/masonic" legend the veil is supposed 
to be the uniting of wands creating an archway where the world is 
complete and life and death meet..(found this information when I was 
researching arches and veils way back in the day when I took a 
comparative religion class)

Doddie
(putting in her fake wands worth)





From marilynpeake at cs.com  Thu Jun 30 04:46:08 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:46:08 -0000
Subject: Sitting though movie credits and an odd question
In-Reply-To: <00b101c57d04$91961340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d9vteg+rg5q@eGroups.com>

Hi, Saitaina,

After seeing a couple of movies with great add-ons after the credits, 
my family now stays until the end of credits for every movie that 
seems like it may have the additional scenes.  We've caught some very 
funny extra scenes that way! :)

Cheers,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com
 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
>> Am I the only movie goers, who after
> seeing one too many movies with
> 'scenes' at the end of the credits, now
> sits through EVERY movie credit reel
> just in case?







From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Jun 30 18:31:10 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:31:10 EDT
Subject: Weasley Countdown Clock
Message-ID: <1a4.3a92212e.2ff5946e@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/30/2005 5:02:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, "Sarah"  
plungy116 at aol.com writes:
 
>> Yes, I confess I made one too, much to the amusement of my 34 yr  old 
husband and 15 yr old son, who thought for a nearly 33 yr old mum it  
was a bit "Blue Peter" to be cutting out cereal boxes and prit sticking  
things to it.  My (colour) clock is proudly displayed on my noticeboard  
ready for action on Friday, when the countdown begins in earnest - Yay!  <<
 
I'm glad that you made one too--isn't it fun? It's great to have something  
to look forward to. By the time we are in our 30s and 40s, we rarely anticipate 
 holidays the way we did as a child. Being excited about the new book (and 
the  book parties) makes me feel good. No obligations, minimal preparations, and 
 hours of fun ahead.
 
My kids are used to me making things, Harry Potter and otherwise, so they  
were not surprised when I make one (3 colors of cardstock, copper paint edging,  
etc). If I don't make something every few days, I get cranky and irritable. 
It's  a good thing I took up scrapbooking---it will keep me busy and peaceful 
for  decades. <g>
 
BTW, I also have a Harry Potter scrapbook, with newspaper clippings (I  loved 
the newspaper ad that pitched the book to motorcyclists), movie tickets,  
stickers, candy wrappers, etc. I'll put the Weasley Clock in it once I've read  
the book a time or two. <g>

---Mary



From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Jun 30 18:37:45 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:37:45 EDT
Subject: Audio book links
Message-ID: <1ed.3ef42731.2ff595f9@aol.com>

"Joe Bento" _joseph at kirtland.com_ (mailto:joseph at kirtland.com)   wrote:

>> I just took advantage of a buy-it-now option on ebay for  all five Jim
Dale CD audio books new and shrink wrapped for $159.   <<
 
That was a good deal! You are in for a treat and I envy you the experience. 
 
It's not just the books themselves. Spend some time looking at the  
packaging. Each group of CDs within a book has a different image on it. The  cardboard 
folders are all different. I especially like the back  cover of autographs on 
one of the folders in Order of the Phoenix. 
 
Have fun!
 
---Mary



From mich at ntl.sympatico.ca  Thu Jun 30 05:59:04 2005
From: mich at ntl.sympatico.ca (Mich Verrier)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:59:04 -0400
Subject: BBC Perduction of HP?
Message-ID: <04d801c57d3a$2e6e4180$ace1e2d1@michaelyxnei3t>

Hi All. I was sitting hear thinking and I was just thinking with all the audio versions of HP on the Market with the recordings dun by Jim Deil and the
one dun by Stephen Fry. It makes me wonder why since this book has been so popular why the BBC Hasn't jumped on the band wagon and put out a dramatization
like they did for the Hitchhikers Guide or LOTR or the Jeeves and Wooster Stories or so many other books that they have dramatized for radio and then sold
at local book stores. I am just thinking on what other people's thoughts on this are? because personally I think that it would be quite cool to see a dramatization
of the HP Books Now I am not saying that Jim Deil and Stephen Fry don't do a good job on there own but it still would be cool. well I look forward to hearing
what other people think. from Mich Verrier from Elk Lake Ontario Canada.



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From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Thu Jun 30 06:28:47 2005
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:28:47 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Stone archway in Death Chamber
Message-ID: <fb.740fb6dc.2ff4eb1f@aol.com>

HI , 
I don't know how many people this is going out to , or if you , ( Sara) will 
get this alone. The stone archway really confused me too at first. As far as 
Sirius goes , I am almost positive that I read on Jo's website that Sirius is 
actually dead and not coming back. You bring a really interesting point to the 
table by mentioning the reactions of the characters to the archway , but I 
took it as they were entranced by the veil and not the archway , though , I do 
believe the archway has significance. What I thought was that by passing through 
the veil , you walk from life to death. If you remember whenever the avada 
kedavara curse was mentioned , even before we knew its name , there were 
refrences to veils. A lot of fans have theories that when a person is killed using 
the AK , that their " life force" leaves their body and passes through the veil. 
It is intriguing as to why Hermione is terrified of the veil , Neville and 
Ron don't particuarly react , and even more intriguing that Ginny seems 
mystified. It would completely make sense for Harry and Luna to be fascinated by the 
veil if we follow the thestral theory since they have both seen death , but 
when has Ginny witnessed death? As far as we know she hasn't. So if there is a 
correlation between some event happening and reactions to the veil , then 
perhaps it is not death. Speculating on this , however , only raises more questions 
and leaves no answers. A good article can be found on mugglenet.com in one of 
the sets of editorials. I know it is called unveiling the veil. You might want 
to read that. Anyhow , that is my opinion.
Kristin from California


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From joseph at kirtland.com  Thu Jun 30 21:10:46 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:10:46 -0000
Subject: Weasley Countdown Clock
In-Reply-To: <1a4.3a92212e.2ff5946e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <da1n4m+qncd@eGroups.com>

It really is something to be approaching middle age (41, anyway) and 
get excited about the approaching book release.  

Yep, as a kid I looked forward to Christmas, birthdays, and July 
4th.  July 4th lost its excitement when fireworks were banned in my 
county (San Mateo, California) many years ago.  (I have lived in 
Utah for 5 years now, and yes, I buy fireworks!  I'm single, no 
kids - they are for me!) Though I still look forward to Christmas, 
it doesn't have quite the excitement it did as a child.  I'm 
somewhat indifferent about birthdays.

Now I have a countdown clock on my computer, I have both American 
and British language editions of the books, I'll soon have the 
American audio books, and (YES!!) I located a new-in-box countdown 
standee.

With all the seriousness of a career, and the very questionable 
state of our world today, it's realy fun to have Harry Potter to 
look forward to.  :-)

Joe


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/30/2005 5:02:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight 
Time, "Sarah"  

> plungy116 at a... writes:
>  
> >> Yes, I confess I made one too, much to the amusement of my 34 
yr  old 
> husband and 15 yr old son, who thought for a nearly 33 yr old mum 
it  
> was a bit "Blue Peter" to be cutting out cereal boxes and prit 
sticking  
> things to it.  My (colour) clock is proudly displayed on my 
noticeboard  
> ready for action on Friday, when the countdown begins in earnest - 
Yay!  <<






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 30 21:18:15 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:18:15 -0000
Subject: Sitting though movie credits and an odd question
In-Reply-To: <00b101c57d04$91961340$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <da1nin+stss@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> Am I the only movie goers, who after
> seeing one too many movies with
> 'scenes' at the end of the credits, now
> sits through EVERY movie credit reel
> just in case?
> 
> I just sit there, absently watching the
> screen, occasionally commenting on how
> bloody long the things are, waiting for
> an extra scene (Maybe if I'm with other
> people we discuss the movie while
> absently watching credits).  I've known
> at least one or two other people doing
> this, especially when it's a Disney
> live action movie (Pirates of the
> Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, both of
> which had things).
> 
> Just wondering if I'm the only weirdo.
> 
>Snip<
> 
> Saitaina
> ****
*****\(@@)/*****

Finally a kindred spirit! I watch the movie credits. Sometimes its 
for the funny stuff they sometimes insert into them, the music or 
the little ending bit they put in. Sometimes I pay attention - to 
see who is doing what - suprisingly you will actually see the same 
names (not movie stars) in some of the movies.

We also find it is a good way to make sure we get out of there in 
one piece without someone trying to run us over because they just 
have to get out there right now! We don't have to fight the crowd 
and don't have to fight the initial traffic to get out of the 
parking lot. Credits do have their purpose!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 21:26:45 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:26:45 -0000
Subject: A bonus on same day trim nails?
Message-ID: <da1o2l+it9b@eGroups.com>

Y'know, if there is some deity watching over me, it has an interesting sense of humour.  
Earlier this morning, the day was slow, so I had brought in nail clippers and a metal emory 
board to file my nails.  However, later on in the day, I was busier.

Anyway, I had done a lengthy report months ago to get a $9,000+ refund from Department 
of Revenue and the boss said he'd give me a bonus if I got the money.  Well, after numerous 
calls back in forth with DOR, I got the money but I didn't expect my boss to follow through... 
He did, he just okayed a $500 bonus and told me to 'keep up the good work'.  Dude, I was 
doing a manicure this morning.  Scary.

Oh, and my mom 'won' in her divorce case against my dad: she gets to keep her alimony and 
the judge told my dad to 'try harder' in finding a job.  The radio is actually playing Offspring's 
Why Don't You Get A Job.

Dina,
figuring her bonus could go to much needed home repair






From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 30 23:03:24 2005
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (tbernhard2000)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:03:24 -0000
Subject: Stone archway in Death Chamber
In-Reply-To: <d9uvrp+vha0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <da1tns+hbaf@eGroups.com>

Sarah wrote:
> What I want to know is "what is the fascination, the mesmerising 
> quality of the archway that scares Hermione and entrances Harry?"  
> What intrigues him?  What makes him want to walk through it?  Why can 
> only Luna and Harry hear the voices and not Neville? (thinking along 
> the lines of the Thestrals).  Why does it enthrall Harry, Ginny and 
> Neville and yet Ron seems indifferent and Hermione seems absolutely 
> terrified?

I think this thread belongs on the main list. Nevertheless, I remember 
reading a post, I forget where, that divided the sextet by their 
responses to the veil along the lines of hear voices/not hear voices/, 
Thestrals/not see Thestrals, and attracted/repulsed. I'm not sure the 
details now, but the point was that, dividing it this way, each of the 
six had different responses.

dan





From mich at ntl.sympatico.ca  Thu Jun 30 23:07:51 2005
From: mich at ntl.sympatico.ca (Mich Verrier)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:07:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio book links
References: <1ed.3ef42731.2ff595f9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <02f901c57dc8$8aa92800$f459e2d1@michaelyxnei3t>

hi all I am wondering if the CD's have a different thing on each CD Sleeve 
then what does the Tape formats of the books have on them? anything? I am 
also asking because I am blind so there for can't see for my self. I like 
Jim Dale's voice  Also did you know that you can  fit more on to a tape then 
you can a CD? from Mich Verrier.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Mhochberg at aol.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio book links


> "Joe Bento" _joseph at kirtland.com_ (mailto:joseph at kirtland.com)   wrote:
>
>>> I just took advantage of a buy-it-now option on ebay for  all five Jim
> Dale CD audio books new and shrink wrapped for $159.   <<
>
> That was a good deal! You are in for a treat and I envy you the 
> experience.
>
> It's not just the books themselves. Spend some time looking at the
> packaging. Each group of CDs within a book has a different image on it. 
> The  cardboard
> folders are all different. I especially like the back  cover of autographs 
> on
> one of the folders in Order of the Phoenix.
>
> Have fun!
>
> ---Mary
>
>
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From joseph at kirtland.com  Thu Jun 30 23:59:00 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:59:00 -0000
Subject: Audio book links
In-Reply-To: <02f901c57dc8$8aa92800$f459e2d1@michaelyxnei3t>
Message-ID: <da2104+vdhm@eGroups.com>

Cassette tapes are also typically less expensive than CD's.  However,
I honestly no longer have a tape player other than a boom box.  Tapes
seem to have a much shorter lifespan than CD's.  I've noticed sound
degregation on many tapes only a few years old.

You can get 2 hours playing time on a C120 cassette tape, though many
manufacturers used to discourage using tapes of that length.  (As a
blind person, your tape player is probably variable speed.  I believe
some of the talking book tapes ran at a tape speed of 3/4 ips or slower.)

CD's are easier to "rip" to a computer so you can copy the files to a
portable MP3 player. I would also think CD's might be easier than tape
for a blind person to navigate with their separate tracks.

Joe

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mich Verrier" <mich at n...> wrote:
> hi all I am wondering if the CD's have a different thing on each CD
Sleeve 
> then what does the Tape formats of the books have on them? anything?
I am 
> also asking because I am blind so there for can't see for my self. I
like 
> Jim Dale's voice  Also did you know that you can  fit more on to a
tape then 
> you can a CD? from Mich Verrier.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Mhochberg at a...>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:37 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio book links
> 
> 
> > "Joe Bento" _joseph at k..._ (mailto:joseph at k...)   wrote:
> >
> >>> I just took advantage of a buy-it-now option on ebay for  all
five Jim
> > Dale CD audio books new and shrink wrapped for $159.   <<
> >
> > That was a good deal! You are in for a treat and I envy you the 
> > experience.
> >
> > It's not just the books themselves. Spend some time looking at the
> > packaging. Each group of CDs within a book has a different image
on it. 
> > The  cardboard
> > folders are all different. I especially like the back  cover of
autographs 
> > on
> > one of the folders in Order of the Phoenix.
> >
> > Have fun!
> >
> > ---Mary
> >
> >
> > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________
> >
> > The main list rules also apply here, so make sure you read them!
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> >
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from 
> > posts to which you're replying!
> >
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> >
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