From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  1 03:34:29 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:34:29 -0000
Subject: Free Magic Wand
In-Reply-To: <cvvplr+ldgo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d00ns5+pf9l@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:>
Sarah said: 
> But how do you know that the wand they send you is your wand?  
Surely you'd have to try it out first.  (snip)> The wand and the 
wizard/witch must meet to see if they are compatible...jeez, do you 
guys know nothing?
>
 
Tonks here:
I think that the free with purchase wand that Order of Merlin.com 
has is for beginners. And a beginner can really use any wand. As you 
know from the HP books, some young wizards use hand-me-downs. As to 
more advanced students and adult wizards, when ones buys a wand by 
internet, you and the wand connect by your intuition. (Time and 
space mean nothing to a wizard.) You just sort of *know*. The 
witches and wizard on this list will understand what I am saying. ;-)

Shalimar said:
You actually use a wand? I have one(Harry's from Alivan's) but just 
as a collectors item.

Tonks here:
I have many wands from many vendors. Some are part of my collection 
to look at and admire, and some are to carry in my robe. Hummm
..  
is it possible that you are a Muggle? Or do you just do wandless 
magic??  My favorite to use wand is the Master's wand from Order of 
Merlin. I love it. Heard it calling my name. Core is Phoenix tear. 
Very rare. (Each wand is handmade so each is somewhat different. No 
2 are 100% alike.)

Tonks_op









From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  1 03:52:49 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:52:49 -0000
Subject: The Mirror Holds the Answer (and another clue!)
Message-ID: <d00ouh+q6ci@eGroups.com>


I bought a collectors plate from someone in the UK (on E-bay) and I 
was very surprised when I saw it up close in person. It is the 
Mirror of Erised. The title is on the back "The Mirror Holds the 
Answer". What is surprising is the way that the artist has shown 
Harry and the stone in the mirror.  I don't know how many here are 
familiar with a picture call the "Sacred Heart of Jesus", but this 
picture reminds me of that.  It does not show the stone in his 
pocket, it shows it in the place that his heart would be, the stone 
is red, human heart shaped and has light radiating from it just like 
in the picture of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.  I am just amazed by 
this.  I have not seen this picture anywhere else.  I didn't pay 
that much attention to the picture on the plate when I bought it and 
it is hard to see things on the internet anyway.  But it is just 
clear as day when I open the box just now.  I think that this is 
even more evidence that Harry is not just the boy next door!

Tonks_op







From gbannister10 at aol.com  Tue Mar  1 07:44:14 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:44:14 -0000
Subject: The Mirror Holds the Answer (and another clue!)
In-Reply-To: <d00ouh+q6ci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d016ge+i0vo@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
Tonks_op:> I bought a collectors plate from someone in the UK (on E-
bay) and I 
> was very surprised when I saw it up close in person. It is the 
> Mirror of Erised. The title is on the back "The Mirror Holds the 
> Answer". What is surprising is the way that the artist has shown 
> Harry and the stone in the mirror.  I don't know how many here are 
> familiar with a picture call the "Sacred Heart of Jesus", but this 
> picture reminds me of that.  It does not show the stone in his 
> pocket, it shows it in the place that his heart would be, the stone 
> is red, human heart shaped and has light radiating from it just 
like 
> in the picture of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.  I am just amazed by 
> this.  I have not seen this picture anywhere else.  I didn't pay 
> that much attention to the picture on the plate when I bought it 
and 
> it is hard to see things on the internet anyway.  But it is just 
> clear as day when I open the box just now.  I think that this is 
> even more evidence that Harry is not just the boy next door!

Geoff: 
Tonks kindly emailed me off-group about this one; fortunate for me  
because I rarely visit OT because of time constraints.

My first take on it was that it seems to be leaning a bit to the 
Catholic side of things. As a non-conformist Protestant, I do not pay 
a lot of attention to "religious" art - I'm a bit of a Philistine in 
terms of art in general. So I dobn't feel qualified in that direction 
to comment.

My second thought was that I wouldbe inclined to pigeon-hole this in 
my mind with fanfic where there are all sorts of interesting spin-
offs and "what ifs" which can be quite interesting to speculate on.






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Mar  1 09:23:06 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:23:06 -0000
Subject: Magical professions
In-Reply-To: <20050228201159.58875.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d01c9q+ef0j@eGroups.com>


Marita Jan wrote:
>
> ouch....
> 


> Need a real estate professional?  Visit my site at 
www.maritabush.com

Ack!  Sorry.

It had to happen, though, didn't it?  I reckon you could make a 
crack about Martians on this list and you'd get someone piping up 
that the extraterrestrially challenged are a much misunderstood and 
maligned group.  Mind you, in the old days much of the fun of making 
lawyer jokes stemmed from the fact that half the moderators were 
lawyers.

David, wondering if there are any mothers-in-law on the list






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue Mar  1 12:35:45 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:35:45 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Free Magic Wand
Message-ID: <e4.64077826.2f55bba1@aol.com>

Tonks,
 Loved your post...I'm more the divination type.  Wandless magic  is my game. 
My family doesn't know I own a wand. hehehe...
 
Shalimar


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From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  1 15:06:40 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:06:40 +0100
Subject: Mad-Eye Moody?
References: <e4.64077826.2f55bba1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV11B709683E5A89981CE869B6590@phx.gbl>

Okay, they shown us Krum, Cedric, Fleur, Rita, and what about Alastor?
Being the curious person I am, I would love seeing how he looks in the
movies. =P
Is anyone having a picture where his face is shown?

Thanks in advance. :)

Valy.



From maritajan at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  1 23:12:40 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:12:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Magical professions
In-Reply-To: <d01c9q+ef0j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050301231240.59123.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:

> 
> Marita Jan wrote:
> >
> > ouch....
> > 
> 
> 
> > Need a real estate professional?  Visit my site at 
> www.maritabush.com
> 
> Ack!  Sorry.
> 
> It had to happen, though, didn't it?  I reckon you could make a 
> crack about Martians on this list and you'd get someone piping up 
> that the extraterrestrially challenged are a much misunderstood and 
> maligned group.  Mind you, in the old days much of the fun of making 
> lawyer jokes stemmed from the fact that half the moderators were 
> lawyers.
> 
> David, wondering if there are any mothers-in-law on the list
> 
> 
No harm, no foul.  Just wanted to point out that we're not all bad eggs.  

Now, about those misunderstood alien visitors......

MJ

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 00:52:22 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:52:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Magical professions
In-Reply-To: <20050301231240.59123.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <d01c9q+ef0j@eGroups.com>
	 <20050301231240.59123.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005030116527e61a337@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:12:40 -0800 (PST), Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now, about those misunderstood alien visitors......

Viggo Mortensen is an alien.  It wouldn't be hard to believe.

Hm, I used to have a Dilbert quote as a sig...  something about 'Is
this accounting or have I been relocated to hell'.

I'm an office geek.

Dina



From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  2 03:03:20 2005
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:03:20 -0000
Subject: Magical professions
In-Reply-To: <20050301231240.59123.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d03ado+pmqi@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- davewitley <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Marita Jan wrote:
> > >
> > > ouch....
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Need a real estate professional?  Visit my site at 
> > www.maritabush.com
> > 
> > Ack!  Sorry.
> > 
> > It had to happen, though, didn't it?  I reckon you could make a 
> > crack about Martians on this list and you'd get someone piping up 
> > that the extraterrestrially challenged are a much misunderstood 
and 
> > maligned group.  Mind you, in the old days much of the fun of 
making 
> > lawyer jokes stemmed from the fact that half the moderators were 
> > lawyers.
> > 
> > David, wondering if there are any mothers-in-law on the list
> > 
> > 
> No harm, no foul.  Just wanted to point out that we're not all bad 
eggs.  
> 


I had to laugh at this thread!  My very best friend is a real estate 
agent, and we took our chlidren to see the Lemony Snicket movie.  I 
had not read the books, so it was all new to me.  Imagine our 
surprise to meet a woman who is mortally afraid of real estate 
agents!  It was hilarious!
thekrenz






From punkieshazam at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  2 07:06:57 2005
From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:06:57 -0000
Subject: Magical professions
In-Reply-To: <d01c9q+ef0j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d03omh+vv6r@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> David, wondering if there are any mothers-in-law on the list

Punkie:

Guilty. I have these children who persist in getting married. 
Whatever happened to shacking up that I hear is so prevalant here in 
the States? Why do you want to know?

I have three children and I am an ex-mother-in-law three times and a 
mother-in-law twice.

I learned my lesson after one matrimonial attempt (see 3 children 
above). Personally, I no longer get married.

Punkie Fresh out of tag lines.






From esk at europa.com  Wed Mar  2 10:02:16 2005
From: esk at europa.com (Cindy Wells)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:02:16 -0000
Subject: Any good yo-yos?
In-Reply-To: <cvunkr+eff1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d042v8+5m7f@eGroups.com>


"sandra87b" wrote:
>So does anyone know where 
> I can get any good quality yo-yos? There are birthdays coming up, and the 
> cheapy plastic kind of yo-yo won't last two minutes - but they're the kind that 
> seem to be everywhere. So I'd like to get something nice, good to hold, that 
> they'll have some fun with. Metal ones, or nicely varnished wooden ones, 
> that's the kind I'd like to give.
> 
> Sandra (with a little over three weeks planning time!)

The ones sold by Klutz Publishing are really good. Here are direct URLs to 
the pages:
The Klutz Yo-Yo Book:
http://www.klutz.com/catalog/product.php?itemNo=1109&cat=3
The Tornado Yo-Yo:
http://www.klutz.com/catalog/product.php?itemNo=1005&cat=3

Cindy






From Vivamus at TaprootTech.com  Wed Mar  2 14:34:14 2005
From: Vivamus at TaprootTech.com (Vivamus)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:34:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something huge about Lily! (was: Re: info. on book 6)
In-Reply-To: <cvrdi7+l3nc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <200503020934615.SM01228@devbox>

> > Luckdragon:
> > Mugglenet has posted info. from a source saying book 6 will reveal 
> > "something huge about Lily", "Why Dumbledore trusts Snape", 
> "Harry has 
> > a romance".
> > We've all been hoping for this, so this is great news to find out
> we 
> > won't have to wait for book 7 for all our answers. 
> > 5 months to go!
> 
> Luckdragon again:
> 
> So any guesses on what it will be?
> A) significance of her green eyes.
> B) family background info.
> C) career.
> D) how she and James ended up together.
> E) why LV was initially going to spare her.
> F) what charm, if any, she cast to save Harry.
> G) what was her relationship to Lupin, Snape, LV.
> H) her relationship with Petunia.
> I) other
> 
> Me; I'm greedy. I want to know it all. 

Vivamus:

I'll have a shot at a couple of them.

> A) significance of her green eyes.

Harry's green eyes (which come from Lily, have been emphasized in all the
books, and JKR says are very significant) are the primary reason Snape hates
Harry.  I would have said because there was a blood relation between her and
Tom Riddle, Jr., but JKR denied that there is any significant blood relation
between Harry and LV, which would certainly be the case if Lily was related
to him. 

Anyway, my guess is that Snape used to love Lily (LOLLIPOPS), and Harry's
green eyes remind him of her rejected love every time Snape looks at Harry.


> E) why LV was initially going to spare her.

This is the big puzzle for me.  She was Head Girl, so think of her as a
Hermione Granger type -- highly skilled, competent, and motivated.  Hermione
can do a LOT, but imagine Hermione ten years from now.  Fully grown, and
very powerful.   

Now imagine LV murdering this grown-up Hermione's husband in front of her,
and coming after her baby to kill him.  Yikes!  Even a 13-year-old Hermione
would be a seriously formidable obstacle to that, let alone a 25- or 30-year
old Hermione.

Instead of AKing her, though, he evidently does an Expelliarmus or something
similar, so she now has no defense at all for her baby except to stand in
the way and die for him to complete the charm (or maybe she never tried to
defend herself, for exactly that reason, so LV never had to disarm her.)

Either way, the big puzzle for me is why LV would think that she WOULD stand
aside.   Why would he think, if she got out of his way so he could kill her
baby, that she wouldn't transfigure him into a tomato the instant his
attention was focused on Harry?  LV is no fool, and that seems exceedingly
foolish.  Yes, perhaps he was arrogant enough to think that a terrified
young woman would be no threat to him, but he already knows the baby IS a
threat to him, which is reason to proceed with caution in dealing with his
parents.  For someone like LV, it is both more convenient and much safer
simply to kill both parents before trying to kill their baby.

Even if he had disarmed her, so he knew she had no wand, the same logic
applies.  Forget magic.  You are standing in a room with your baby, and a
totally evil galactic overlord is about to murder your baby.  His attention
is on the baby, not on you.  You have several seconds to act, between the
time you stepped aside and your baby is dead.  What do you do?  (a) stand
still, watch in horror, and do nothing while your baby is killed, or (b)
grab the nearest hard, heavy object and bash in his skull with it ?    In
some situations, the most feeble of normal adults have the ability to kill
the strongest man alive.

It seems to me that LV would have taken a huge risk by leaving her alive,
had she been willing to step aside.  So, it seems equally likely that he had
a compelling reason to leave her alive.

Here, finally, is my theory to answer the question:  Lily had saved Riddle's
life at some point, and that is what gave her the ability to protect Harry
by letting LV kill her.  Because she had done so, he was most unwilling to
kill her, warning her to move twice, before finally killing her when she
wouldn't move. 

This also fits with the "something huge about Lily" question.

Vivamus





From heidi at heidi8.com  Wed Mar  2 14:36:56 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:36:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something huge about Lily! (was: Re: info. on book 6)
In-Reply-To: <200503020934615.SM01228@devbox>
References: <200503020934615.SM01228@devbox>
Message-ID: <1109774223.8931B9C@bf11.dngr.org>

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, one of my 
fellow editors at the leaky cauldron had this rumor disproved, but it's 
still an interesting discussion topic.

Heidi


On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 9:35 am, Vivamus wrote:
>
>>  > Luckdragon:
>>  > Mugglenet has posted info. from a source saying book 6 will reveal
>>  > "something huge about Lily", "Why Dumbledore trusts Snape",
>>  "Harry has
>>  > a romance".
>>  > We've all been hoping for this, so this is great news to find out
>>  we
>>  > won't have to wait for book 7 for all our answers.
>>  > 5 months to go!
>>
>>  Luckdragon again:
>>
>>  So any guesses on what it will be?
>>  A) significance of her green eyes.
>>  B) family background info.
>>  C) career.
>>  D) how she and James ended up together.
>>  E) why LV was initially going to spare her.
>>  F) what charm, if any, she cast to save Harry.
>>  G) what was her relationship to Lupin, Snape, LV.
>>  H) her relationship with Petunia.
>>  I) other
>>
>>  Me; I'm greedy. I want to know it all.
>
> Vivamus:
>
> I'll have a shot at a couple of them.
>
>>  A) significance of her green eyes.
>
> Harry's green eyes (which come from Lily, have been emphasized in all 
> the
> books, and JKR says are very significant) are the primary reason Snape 
> hates
> Harry.  I would have said because there was a blood relation between 
> her and
> Tom Riddle, Jr., but JKR denied that there is any significant blood 
> relation
> between Harry and LV, which would certainly be the case if Lily was 
> related
> to him.
>
> Anyway, my guess is that Snape used to love Lily (LOLLIPOPS), and 
> Harry's
> green eyes remind him of her rejected love every time Snape looks at 
> Harry.
>
>
>>  E) why LV was initially going to spare her.
>
> This is the big puzzle for me.  She was Head Girl, so think of her as a
> Hermione Granger type -- highly skilled, competent, and motivated.  
> Hermione
> can do a LOT, but imagine Hermione ten years from now.  Fully grown, 
> and
> very powerful.
>
> Now imagine LV murdering this grown-up Hermione's husband in front of 
> her,
> and coming after her baby to kill him.  Yikes!  Even a 13-year-old 
> Hermione
> would be a seriously formidable obstacle to that, let alone a 25- or 
> 30-year
> old Hermione.
>
> Instead of AKing her, though, he evidently does an Expelliarmus or 
> something
> similar, so she now has no defense at all for her baby except to stand 
> in
> the way and die for him to complete the charm (or maybe she never tried 
> to
> defend herself, for exactly that reason, so LV never had to disarm 
> her.)
>
> Either way, the big puzzle for me is why LV would think that she WOULD 
> stand
> aside.   Why would he think, if she got out of his way so he could kill 
> her
> baby, that she wouldn't transfigure him into a tomato the instant his
> attention was focused on Harry?  LV is no fool, and that seems 
> exceedingly
> foolish.  Yes, perhaps he was arrogant enough to think that a terrified
> young woman would be no threat to him, but he already knows the baby IS 
> a
> threat to him, which is reason to proceed with caution in dealing with 
> his
> parents.  For someone like LV, it is both more convenient and much 
> safer
> simply to kill both parents before trying to kill their baby.
>
> Even if he had disarmed her, so he knew she had no wand, the same logic
> applies.  Forget magic.  You are standing in a room with your baby, and 
> a
> totally evil galactic overlord is about to murder your baby.  His 
> attention
> is on the baby, not on you.  You have several seconds to act, between 
> the
> time you stepped aside and your baby is dead.  What do you do?  (a) 
> stand
> still, watch in horror, and do nothing while your baby is killed, or 
> (b)
> grab the nearest hard, heavy object and bash in his skull with it ?    
> In
> some situations, the most feeble of normal adults have the ability to 
> kill
> the strongest man alive.
>
> It seems to me that LV would have taken a huge risk by leaving her 
> alive,
> had she been willing to step aside.  So, it seems equally likely that 
> he had
> a compelling reason to leave her alive.
>
> Here, finally, is my theory to answer the question:  Lily had saved 
> Riddle's
> life at some point, and that is what gave her the ability to protect 
> Harry
> by letting LV kill her.  Because she had done so, he was most unwilling 
> to
> kill her, warning her to move twice, before finally killing her when 
> she
> wouldn't move.
>
> This also fits with the "something huge about Lily" question.
>
> Vivamus
>
>
>
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 17:12:34 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:12:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something huge about Lily! (was: Re: info. on book 6)
In-Reply-To: <200503020934615.SM01228@devbox>
References: <cvrdi7+l3nc@eGroups.com> <200503020934615.SM01228@devbox>
Message-ID: <1a2738400503020912439f4187@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:34:14 -0500, Vivamus <Vivamus at taproottech.com> wrote:

> Here, finally, is my theory to answer the question:  Lily had saved Riddle's
> life at some point, and that is what gave her the ability to protect 

Ah, the old 'life debt'.  Heh, I say LV had the hots for Lily...
y'know, LV and LE, sitting in a treE, K-I-S-S-I-N-G.  Okay, not only
is that lame but I couldn't get a good rhyme/meter for it.

So, there's supposedly 'something huge about Lily' (and it's not her
knockers) and 'something more to Petunia'.  There's a family legecy
hype throughout the books.  Didn't Petunia have a reaction to hearing
about Voldemort being back in OOTP?  I find it ironic how Petunia and
Tom Riddle/Voldemort are at opposite spectrums in Harry's life--one is
against muggles and another against magic.

Dina



From Vivamus at TaprootTech.com  Wed Mar  2 18:02:42 2005
From: Vivamus at TaprootTech.com (Vivamus)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:02:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something huge about Lily! (was: Re: info. on book 6)
In-Reply-To: <1109774223.8931B9C@bf11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <200503021302625.SM01228@devbox>

> Heidi
> Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at 
> it, one of my fellow editors at the leaky cauldron had this 
> rumor disproved, but it's still an interesting discussion topic.

Vivamus:

Eh?  Which rumor?  That there will be something huge revealed about Lily in
Book 6?

We have heard JKR say that there is something huge to be revealed about
Lily, as well as that Harry having her eyes is very important, just not what
those somethings are and when they will be revealed.

Vivamus





From Vivamus at TaprootTech.com  Wed Mar  2 18:27:46 2005
From: Vivamus at TaprootTech.com (Vivamus)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:27:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something huge about Lily! (was: Re: info. on book 6)
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400503020912439f4187@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200503021327424.SM01228@devbox>

> > Vivamus: 
> > Here, finally, is my theory to answer the question:  Lily had saved 
> > Riddle's life at some point, and that is what gave her the ability to 
> > protect
> 
> Dina:
> Ah, the old 'life debt'.  Heh, I say LV had the hots for Lily...
> y'know, LV and LE, sitting in a treE, K-I-S-S-I-N-G.  Okay, 
> not only is that lame but I couldn't get a good rhyme/meter for it.

Vivamus:
Heh.  He is also about 30 years older than her.

> Dina:
> So, there's supposedly 'something huge about Lily' (and it's not her
> knockers) and 'something more to Petunia'.  There's a family 
> legecy hype throughout the books.  Didn't Petunia have a 
> reaction to hearing about Voldemort being back in OOTP?  I 
> find it ironic how Petunia and Tom Riddle/Voldemort are at 
> opposite spectrums in Harry's life--one is against muggles 
> and another against magic.

Vivamus:
Now THAT's an interesting observation.  I completely missed that.  I wonder
if TR and Petunia are deliberately set up that way.  If so, then there
probably is much more for Petunia to do.

Here is the passage from OOtP with Petunia's reaction: 

'He must have sent them,' said Harry quietly, more to himself than to Uncle
Vernon. 
'What's that? Who must have sent them?' 
'Lord Voldemort,' said Harry. 
He registered dimly how strange it was that the Dursleys, who flinched,
winced and squawked if they heard words like 'wizard', 'magic' or 'wand',
could hear the name of the most evil wizard of all time without the
slightest tremor. 
'Lord - hang on,' said Uncle Vernon, his face screwed up, a look of dawning
comprehension coming into his piggy eyes. 'I've heard that name. that was
the one who -' 
'Murdered my parents, yes,' Harry said dully. 
'But he's gone,' said Uncle Vernon impatiently, without the slightest sign
that the murder of Harry's parents might be a painful topic. That giant
bloke said so. He's gone.' 
'He's back,' said Harry heavily. 
It felt very strange to be standing here in Aunt Petunia's surgically clean
kitchen, beside the top-of-the-range fridge and the wide-screen television,
talking calmly of Lord Voldemort to Uncle Vernon. The arrival of the
Dementors in Little Whinging seemed to have breached the great, invisible
wall that divided the relentlessly non-magical world of Privet Drive and the
world beyond, Harry's two lives had somehow become fused and everything had
been turned upside-down; the Dursleys were asking for details about the
magical world, and Mrs Figg knew Albus Dumbledore; Dementors were soaring
around Little Whinging, and he might never return to Hogwarts. Harry's head
throbbed more painfully. 
'Back?' whispered Aunt Petunia. 
She was looking at Harry as she had never looked at him before. And all of a
sudden, for the very first time in his life, Harry fully appreciated that
Aunt Petunia was his mother's sister. He could not have said why this hit
him so very powerfully at this moment. All he knew was that he was not the
only person in the room who had an inkling of what Lord Voldemort being back
might mean. Aunt Petunia had never in her life looked at him like that
before. Her large, pale eyes (so unlike her sister's) were not narrowed in
dislike or anger, they were wide and fearful. The furious pretence that Aunt
Petunia had maintained all Harry's life - that there was no magic and no
world other than the world she inhabited with Uncle Vernon - seemed to have
fallen away. 
'Yes,' Harry said, talking directly to Aunt Petunia now. 'He came back a
month ago. I saw him.' 
Her hands found Dudley's massive leather-clad shoulders and clutched them. 
'Hang on,' said Uncle Vernon, looking from his wife to Harry and back again,
apparently dazed and confused by the unprecedented understanding that seemed
to have sprung up between them. 'Hang on. This Lord Voldything's back, you
say.' 
'Yes.' 
The one who murdered your parents.' 
'Yes.' 
'And now he's sending Dismembers after you?' 
'Looks like it,' said Harry. 
'I see,' said Uncle Vernon, looking from his white-faced wife to Harry and
hitching up his trousers. He seemed to be swelling, his great purple face
stretching before Harry's eyes. 'Well, that settles it,' he said, his shirt
front straining as he inflated himself, 'you can get out of this house,
boy!' 


Vivamus:
I hadn't thought about it much before, but she really is terrified to hear
that he is back, isn't she?  And all DD had to do in that howler was say,
"remember my last", and she insists that they let Harry stay.  Vernon's
logic, while based on a wrong premise (that LV sent the Dementors) still
comes to the correct conclusion that he and his family are in serious danger
because Harry is there.  She (correctly) believes that to be true.  She
knows her son was almost killed (or worse) that night because of Harry.  She
knows that they all may be in deadly danger because he is there.  And yet,
she insists they keep him.

I pasted in such a large block because there are clues to your idea all
through it.  It's as if there have been two completely separate worlds in
Harry's existence, and he has shuttled back and forth between them, with no
connection at all.  Now that LV is back, however, the separation has begun
to break down.  Petunia knows about Dementors, and LV has a body again.  LV
is moving towards muggle reality, and Petunia is moving towards the world of
magic.  Harry seems to be struck with the fact that the two worlds are
moving towards each other.

If that is intentional, then it probably will be Petunia who exhibits magic
at some point in the future (probably for some great purpose like saving
Dudley's life, but she'll still be horrified.)

It also begs the question of whether there is some kind of redemptive plan
for Tom Riddle, once LV is destroyed.  (I've been dismissing that theory as
very unlikely, but you've got me wondering now.  Best guess would be that
either both would find redemption -- TR into some kind of peaceful death,
which would be what he has earned, and Petunia into peaceful coexistence
with the world of magic -- or both will remain estranged, Harry finally
leaving the Dursleys forever, and LV/TR being totally destroyed,
body/mind/spirit.)  

EXCELLENT observation; thanks!

Vivamus






From heidi at heidi8.com  Wed Mar  2 18:39:01 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:39:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something huge about Lily! (was: Re: info. on book 6)
In-Reply-To: <200503021302625.SM01228@devbox>
References: <200503021302625.SM01228@devbox>
Message-ID: <1109788743.34ECC604@bf12.dngr.org>


On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 1:04 pm, Vivamus wrote:
> Eh?  Which rumor?  That there will be something huge revealed about 
> Lily in
> Book 6?
>
> We have heard JKR say that there is something huge to be revealed about
> Lily, as well as that Harry having her eyes is very important, just not 
> what
> those somethings are and when they will be revealed.

Well, it's only a rumor that it'll be in Book Six. There's a 50/50 
likelihood that it won't be in book six at all, and the bit from that 
blurb about it being "harry's best year ever" was made up by the catalog 
company.



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 19:19:32 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:19:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Something huge about Lily! (was: Re: info. on book 6)
In-Reply-To: <200503021327424.SM01228@devbox>
References: <1a2738400503020912439f4187@mail.gmail.com>
	 <200503021327424.SM01228@devbox>
Message-ID: <1a273840050302111934fda2eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:27:46 -0500, Vivamus <Vivamus at taproottech.com> wrote:

> Vivamus:
> Heh.  He is also about 30 years older than her.

{g} When has that stopped a person?  It's possible his libido may have
remained intact... or not.


> through it.  It's as if there have been two completely separate worlds in
> Harry's existence, and he has shuttled back and forth between them, with no
> connection at all.  Now that LV is back, however, the separation has begun
> to break down.  Petunia knows about Dementors, and LV has a body again.  LV
> is moving towards muggle reality, and Petunia is moving towards the world of
> magic.  Harry seems to be struck with the fact that the two worlds are
> moving towards each other.

Aye, which is part of what OOTP contributed is this sense of the
barrier between muggle and magical worlds breaking down in the
following books.

I'm not sure if Petunia will perform magic but I think her character
will become more involved with the magical world, whether she wants it
or not.

Thanks for including the snippet!  I'm at work and don't have access
to the book.

Dina



From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Mar  2 19:23:46 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:23:46 -0000
Subject: Magical professions
In-Reply-To: <20050301231240.59123.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d053s2+r9hr@eGroups.com>


 
I'm in a profession that is magical whether in the wizarding world or 
muggle world.  I am a midwife, and the magic (there is no other word 
for it) of watching a new life enter the world cannot be beaten.  
Just thought I'd share that with you all.

Sarah xx






From sroginson at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  2 19:34:06 2005
From: sroginson at sbcglobal.net (stephen roginson)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:34:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Magical professions
In-Reply-To: <d053s2+r9hr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050302193406.19736.qmail@web81508.mail.yahoo.com>

I was wondering if I would run into a midwife in the HP world.  We had an amazing home birth.
What can I say?  You're right...it was magical.

Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:


I'm in a profession that is magical whether in the wizarding world or 
muggle world.  I am a midwife, and the magic (there is no other word 
for it) of watching a new life enter the world cannot be beaten.  
Just thought I'd share that with you all.

Sarah xx





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From hogwartsontheweb at aol.com  Thu Mar  3 04:39:20 2005
From: hogwartsontheweb at aol.com (Prof. Rick Stone)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 04:39:20 -0000
Subject: Need help with HP XBox Game!!
Message-ID: <d064do+a3pq@eGroups.com>


I have the "Chamber of Secrets" XBox game.and Im stuck in a spot that 
I dont know how to get out of...does anyone else have this game that 
can tell me what im supposed to do? It's the part where Professor 
Mcgonagall has sent Harry to get the Aberforth Spellbook,and he goes 
into this big room with a stone gargoyle at the end,and has to avoid 
these ghosts,and there's 2 stairways in the middle,etc..anyway,I've 
used all the spells Harry has and still havent found a way to get out 
of this room...can anyone help?






From timregan at microsoft.com  Thu Mar  3 13:32:11 2005
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:32:11 -0000
Subject: Muggle versions of magical artefacts: the family awareness clock
Message-ID: <d073kr+piav@eGroups.com>


Hi All,

I cannot resist pointing this one out to you all, as the Seattle 
Times has picked up on a project I've been working on at Microsoft 
Research's Cambridge Lab that may remind you of something.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002195164_m
sftresearch03.html
http://tinyurl.com/4xfkc

Here's the quote:
>>> The people-tracking clock is an idea out of Microsoft's research 
laboratories in Cambridge, England. Technology in cellphones these 
days can easily track a person's location, and that information 
could be sent to the clock to be seen by those at home. 

"It sounds very trivial but it has very nice properties," said 
Andrew Herbert, the managing director of the Cambridge lab. "You can 
glance at it and know where everyone is."  <<<

Our designer built a number of different user interfaces for the 
Family Awareness Clock, but the one that the Seattle Times 
photographer chose to use is the one most like the WB realisation of 
one of the Weasley's magical clocks:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/03/02/2002194917.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/5kbrk

The funny thing is that although everyone at work knows I'm an HP 
fan (I gave them all a run-through of the planned research for my 
Accio conference paper) the idea to try building a FamilyAwareness 
Clock for real wasn't mine in this case.

Anyway, it is fun when work collides with an out-of-work interest.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar  3 19:30:43 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:30:43 -0000
Subject: Thanks for the yo-yo-info!
Message-ID: <d07ol3+4dkf@eGroups.com>


Thanks for letting me know about the yo-yo sites, I will have a look and let 
you know how it goes! I'm tempted to get one for myself, because I used to 
love playing with them!

Thanks folks,

Sandra (flexing her yo-yo finger right now)






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  3 21:14:13 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:14:13 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
Message-ID: <d07un5+3nol@eGroups.com>


Read a recent article about Prince William who is about to graduate
from St. Andrew's University in Scotland.

The article said something to the effect that he (William) is expected
to get '2:1 in his MA'.

I assume 'MA' is Master of Arts, but could someone explain the '2:1'
part? 

ITV Article-
http://www.itv.com/news/504655.html

Quote: "...he is on course to achieve a 2:1 in his MA."

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Mar  3 22:16:32 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:16:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
References: <d07un5+3nol@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42278CC0.000001.01828@KATHRYN>

 Steve/bboyminn
 I assume 'MA' is Master of Arts, but could someone explain the '2:1'
part?
 


K

Degrees from UK universities are given classifications (grades) as follows :

First
Upper Second (2:1)
Lower Second (2:2)
Third 
Fail

I think a first is 70% and above, a 2:1 is 60% and above and so on but I
wouldn't swear to that, in fact that may even vary from uni to uni for all I
know. 

K

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From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  3 22:16:21 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:16:21 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d07un5+3nol@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d082bl+bd3j@eGroups.com>


Steve wrote:
> Read a recent article about Prince William who is about to graduate
> from St. Andrew's University in Scotland.
> 
> The article said something to the effect that he (William) is 
expected
> to get '2:1 in his MA'.
> 
> I assume 'MA' is Master of Arts, but could someone explain 
the '2:1'
> part? 

2:1 refers to the grade of a bachelor's degree. You can get a first, 
a second (2:1 is an upper second, 2:2 is a lower second) a third, a 
pass or a fail. In normal conversation you would say "I got a two-
one" or "I got an upper second".

I assume that he's doing an BA/MA combined, three years for the BA, 
and one extra for the MA, so when he graduates he'll have both. 
Don't know whether the 2:1 mark is just for the bachelors, or 
includes the masters. As far as I recall, you can only get a fail, 
pass or distinction for a master's, but these things are changing...

Dungrollin






From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Mar  3 22:58:46 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:58:46 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d082bl+bd3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d084r6+85ql@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> 
> Steve wrote:

> 
> 2:1 refers to the grade of a bachelor's degree. You can get a 
first, 
> a second (2:1 is an upper second, 2:2 is a lower second) a third, a 
> pass or a fail. In normal conversation you would say "I got a two-
> one" or "I got an upper second".
> 
I got a "Desmond" for my degree (2:2, Tutu), which just goes to show 
that although I have a very intelligent facade I'm actually a bit of 
a dunce and only scraped through by the skin of my teeth (and a lot 
of hard work on my dissertation) and have the equivalent academic 
achievments of Neville Longbottom in Potions.  But who cares?  You 
all love me for my sense of humour and comic timing...don't you?
Sarah xx






From whizbang121 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  4 04:46:34 2005
From: whizbang121 at yahoo.com (whizbang)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:46:34 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d084r6+85ql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d08p7a+d314@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:

> I got a "Desmond" for my degree (2:2, Tutu), 

snip

 But who cares?  You 
> all love me for my sense of humour and comic timing...don't you?
> Sarah xx

Whiz:  Desmond?  lol.  Yes.






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Mar  4 09:22:55 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:22:55 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d082bl+bd3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d099df+dmjr@eGroups.com>


Dungrollin (what is grolling and how do you stop?) wrote:

> 2:1 refers to the grade of a bachelor's degree. You can get a 
first, 
> a second (2:1 is an upper second, 2:2 is a lower second) a third, 
a 
> pass or a fail. In normal conversation you would say "I got a two-
> one" or "I got an upper second".

Whereas you hardly ever hear (kudos to Sarah for speaking up) people 
say "I got a two-two" or "I got a lower second".  Instead it's "I 
got a second" or, if one is feeling particularly bold, "a good solid 
second".

David






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 13:33:03 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:33:03 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need help with HP XBox Game!!
Message-ID: <1ef.36ff9982.2f59bd8f@aol.com>

 
This is from my Daughter:
 
All you should need to do is go to the bottom and walk between the two  stair 
cases. There is a tunnel that you go through and it leads to a door. If it  
is blocked by a gate you need to go into the rooms that had the green goo  
infront of them and push the bottons. (there is one in each  room.



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From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  4 13:55:37 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:55:37 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d099df+dmjr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d09pcp+jb1s@eGroups.com>


> Dungrollin (what is grolling and how do you stop?) wrote:
> 
> > 2:1 refers to the grade of a bachelor's degree. You can get a 
> > first, a second (2:1 is an upper second, 2:2 is a lower second) 
> > a third, a pass or a fail. In normal conversation you would 
> > say "I got a two-one" or "I got an upper second".
> 
> Whereas you hardly ever hear (kudos to Sarah for speaking up) 
> people say "I got a two-two" or "I got a lower second".  Instead 
> it's "I got a second" or, if one is feeling particularly bold, "a 
> good solid second".
> 
> David


Heh. True enough. Perchance another irregular verb? (Except when 
wielded by the admirably honest Sarah.)

I have a degree
You have a second
He/she has a two-two

Dungrollin

(Dung as in Mundungus as in tobacco, rollin as in too cheap to buy 
pre-fab fags, and Dungrollin as in... oh. <Eyes overflowing ashtray>
It appears that that attempt to give up was unsuccessful.)






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar  6 05:02:30 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Mar 2005 05:02:30 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1110085350.111.34972.m13@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 6, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar  6 16:03:03 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Mar 2005 16:03:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1110124983.954.85493.m20@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 6, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Mar  6 16:09:18 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:09:18 -0000
Subject: Fan Fiction
Message-ID: <d0f9ve+8v51@eGroups.com>


Hello guys
Nobody seems to be writing very much this weekend, and since I'm 
always the one who can't bear awkward silences, and starts a 
conversation ... here goes ...
As you know, I don't read very much, but anything Potteresque just 
takes hold of my imagination and lets it run ... erm ... wild.
I have just finished reading Tea with The Black Dragon, a fan fic 
story involving the formidable Potions master and the beautiful 
apprentice Grace Draven ... it was compelling, and very JKR in 
writing style (apart from some jarring Americanisms, but that's just 
because I'm a simple English girl, and the erotic scenes, which 
weren't jarring at all!!!)
Anyway, as much as I love the mysterious dark and greasy Severus 
Snape, I'm much more interested in the seriously sexy Sirius Black 
(yes, late and lamented, but still alive in my heart).  Where can I 
find some Sirius stories?  Any suggestions?
I need a fix of some magic, beautifully descriptive words and images 
to see me through the nearly 5 months before the Half Blood Prince 
comes along.  Help.

Sarah xx
Sirius, "you were born to be my Unicorn" - Marc Bolan






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun Mar  6 16:40:45 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:40:45 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan Fiction
References: <d0f9ve+8v51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <422B328D.000001.01276@KATHRYN>

 
 Anyway, as much as I love the mysterious dark and greasy Severus
Snape, I'm much more interested in the seriously sexy Sirius Black
(yes, late and lamented, but still alive in my heart).  Where can I
find some Sirius stories?  Any suggestions


Try http://www.restrictedsection
org/?rs_session=8015bb075e4371482739a3a3111ae080 You canuse their search
facility to find specifically Sirius fics.

As for individual recs - what pairing are you looking for? or are you
looking for Sirius/OFC (in which case I already admit defeat because I only
read ofcs if someone recommends them since there are so many awful mary sues
out there, not that there isn't a lot of rubbish written involving canon
characters too). Slash or het or don't you care?

K

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From heidi at heidi8.com  Sun Mar  6 16:44:23 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:44:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan Fiction
In-Reply-To: <d0f9ve+8v51@eGroups.com>
References: <d0f9ve+8v51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1110127466.2CBCC840@dk11.dngr.org>


On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:12 am, Sarah wrote:
>
> Anyway, as much as I love the mysterious dark and greasy Severus
> Snape, I'm much more interested in the seriously sexy Sirius Black
> (yes, late and lamented, but still alive in my heart).  Where can I
> find some Sirius stories?  Any suggestions?
> I need a fix of some magic, beautifully descriptive words and images
> to see me through the nearly 5 months before the Half Blood Prince
> comes along.  Help.

You might want to look over the Sirius fic list thread over on 
fictionalley.org - it's at 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290 
- and it includes over 300 fics where Sirius is a primary character. 
Also, have you read Penny & Carole's A Sirius Affair yet, on Schnoogle? 
It was started a little before GoF was released, but it's an excellent 
AU.



From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar  6 17:02:34 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:02:34 -0000
Subject: Fan Fiction - TRY THESE!
In-Reply-To: <d0f9ve+8v51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0fd3a+o7mc@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hello guys
> I need a fix of some magic, beautifully descriptive words and images 
> to see me through the nearly 5 months before the Half Blood Prince 
> comes along.  Help.
> 
> Sarah xx
> Sirius, "you were born to be my Unicorn" - Marc Bolan

Hi Sarah - we are kindred spirits, I do believe! I love to dive into a magical 
world within a book and find myself somewhere which can really take me 
over, and if I could recommend anything to you I'd love it if you read the 
following two:
The Odessa Stone, and the sister book, The Guardian Of Time. I love them 
both. The first is about Linda, a girl who is obviously heading for a nervous 
breakdown, stumbling through life not coping with her 'special gifts'. It takes a 
visit to Odessa to make her realise who she is, and what is in her heart. She 
is led through a very dark and sinister adventure by Avalon, a vulnerable fairy 
who you'll start seeing everywhere (I'm not joking, and I'm not entirely mad) 
and her nemesis, the deliciously evil Morrha - a spirit who has designs on 
Linda and the stone. It's a fabulous book and I loved it - and I've read it three 
times, and rarely stop waffling here about it! All Linda's weaknesses become 
her strengths, and I can't tell you how good it made me feel. I could identify 
with her a lot. The book made me laugh, cry my eyes out (Linda goes back in 
time to stop her mum dying in an accident, and when she actually meets her.. 
pass the tissues!) and love both the lead characters.

The other one is a huge time-travelling escapade, with a big dollop of first 
love. Imagine everything that Order Of The Phoenix failed to deliver, and 
you've got this! I don't always enjoy following yet another male-lead in a story, 
but there are so many female characters in this who could ALL carry a story 
on their own that I really got into it. There's loads of reviews on amazon.co.uk 
so I won't send you to sleep writing everything here, but do take a look 
because if you get into them, you'll love them. I did! Aunt Agatha is a 
40-something dashing woman, who is everything I would want to be at that 
age! Cool, sensual, classy, self-assured, and scares men to pieces!

Sandra (brushing up on her Flapper Talk skills, just in case.)






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  6 18:15:43 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:15:43 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan Fiction
Message-ID: <28435858.1110132943997.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hi,

You might like these.  Unfortunately, I am not at home and can't access my document with the links to these stories.  i find searching on fiction alley to be problematic and somewhat difficult with my screen reader.  However, i'm sure someone else can provide the links for you.  These are Sirius stories, though harry and company are also part of them

Fate
An AU story in which Sirius returns fromt he other side of the veil and he, Remus and Harry try to thwart fate by going back to the time before the death of James and Lily.  It is one of my favorite stories, with romance, adventure and lots of Sirius.

Harry Potter and the Guild of the Night
and its sequel

harry Potter and the Crystalline Darkenss

Again, AU.  Harry is blinded by Uncle Vernon.  Sirius does return.  Very interesting take on how Harry adjusts to his life being blind.  I am blind, and so there are a few things that I had to get used to and suspend belief to accept.  Sirius isn't exactly the main character, but once he returns, he's a big part of it.

The Unbroken Universe triology--Hmmm, can I remember the order here---
promises unbroken, promises remembered and promises defended

Extremely AU.  James and Lily do not die.  The four marauders are really the main characters with sirius playing probably the biggest role.  it's very dark, but i really like it a lot.

And if you like a little humor try,

The Upbringing of harry black

This only has a few chapters and hasn't been updated in quite a while.  I hope it's still being worked on.  Sirius takes Harry at the time of the deaths of James and Lily, and they disappear to New York.  Quirky.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: Heidi Tandy <heidi at heidi8.com>
Sent: Mar 6, 2005 8:44 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fan Fiction



On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:12 am, Sarah wrote:
>
> Anyway, as much as I love the mysterious dark and greasy Severus
> Snape, I'm much more interested in the seriously sexy Sirius Black
> (yes, late and lamented, but still alive in my heart).  Where can I
> find some Sirius stories?  Any suggestions?
> I need a fix of some magic, beautifully descriptive words and images
> to see me through the nearly 5 months before the Half Blood Prince
> comes along.  Help.

You might want to look over the Sirius fic list thread over on 
fictionalley.org - it's at 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290 
- and it includes over 300 fics where Sirius is a primary character. 
Also, have you read Penny & Carole's A Sirius Affair yet, on Schnoogle? 
It was started a little before GoF was released, but it's an excellent 
AU.



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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar  6 21:24:13 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:24:13 -0000
Subject: two replies: 1) 'best year yet' 2) LV's libido
Message-ID: <d0fsdt+33qu@eGroups.com>


Heidi Tandy wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26321 :

<< the bit from that blurb about it being "harry's best year ever" was
made up by the catalog company. >>

And I'm sure the catalog person, in addition to not knowing what
he/she was talking about, meant 'best' for the readers (i.e. most
exciting and scary) rather than 'best' for Harry (i.e. less exciting
and not at all scary).

Dina wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26322 :

<<  It's possible [LV] libido may have remained intact... or not. >>

I personally feel certain, altho' there is no canon on the subject,
believe that LV has neither sexual organs nor sexual desire, as a
result of his immortality spells.








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 03:36:29 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:36:29 -0000
Subject: Hungarian horntail (GoF movie)
Message-ID: <d0gi7t+83l3@eGroups.com>


Here's a link to some shots of the hungarian horntail that will be
used in GoF: http://www.mugglethai.com/g_horntail.html

Anyone besides me think she looks too much like the basilisk and not
enough like a dragon? (I pictured the snout as longer and narrower,
for one. Also, she's supposed to be black, in contrast to the red
Chinese Fireball, the Welsh Green, and the blue Swedish Shortsnout.

Carol, who's surprised that she remembered all those dragon breeds






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 04:01:24 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:01:24 -0000
Subject: Mad-Eye Moody?
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV11B709683E5A89981CE869B6590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d0gjmk+fh91@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Valy" <valy1x2 at h...> wrote:
> Okay, they shown us Krum, Cedric, Fleur, Rita, and what about Alastor?
> Being the curious person I am, I would love seeing how he looks in the
> movies. =P
> Is anyone having a picture where his face is shown?
> 
> Thanks in advance. :)
> 
> Valy.


Well, we know who's playing Mad-eye Moody (or rather, the polyjuiced
Crouch Jr. passing as Moody), Brendan Gleeson. And we know what he
looks like--not bad in the photo usually circulated, but aging and
decidedly beefy in the IMDb photo:

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/92/17/38m.jpg

And that's with a normal eye, nose, and complexion. Wonder how they'll
manage the magical eye and wooden leg. That will take some fancy CGI
work, that will. 

Carol, trying to sound British and hoping she doesn't just sound stupid 






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 04:41:21 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:41:21 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d09pcp+jb1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0gm1h+nn7q@eGroups.com>


David asked:
> > Dungrollin (what is grolling and how do you stop?) 
> 
> Heh. True enough. Perchance another irregular verb? (Except when 
> wielded by the admirably honest Sarah.)
> 
> I have a degree
> You have a second
> He/she has a two-two
> 
> Dungrollin <spotthedungbeetle at h...> answered:
> 
> (Dung as in Mundungus as in tobacco, rollin as in too cheap to buy 
> pre-fab fags, and Dungrollin as in... oh. <Eyes overflowing ashtray>
> It appears that that attempt to give up was unsuccessful.)


Carol dares to respond:
Ah. Britspeak again. I thought, erm, do I dare say this--that it had
to do with rolling dung of the variety produced by the dung beetle.
You're an entomologist, aren't you, or did I dream that up?

We Americans don't use "dung" to mean tobacco (and "fag" is an
impolite term for homosexual).

Mencken was right about two countries separated by a common language
(can't remember the exact quote).

Carol, hoping she hasn't offended anybody








From timregan at microsoft.com  Mon Mar  7 10:30:24 2005
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:30:24 -0000
Subject: Muggle versions of magical artefacts: the family awareness clock
In-Reply-To: <d073kr+piav@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0hag0+m8is@eGroups.com>


Hi All,

Writing the sole reply to one's own post is probably the first sign 
of madness, but I though you might like an update on Microsoft's 
Family Awareness Clock.

The link I posted ( http://tinyurl.com/4xfkc ) was also picked up by 
a few news sites including The Leaky Cauldron. Well, the comments 
section there went ballistic with some people calling on JKR to sue 
Microsoft. Luckily there were other voices too and I joined in to 
explain what really happened. The resulting discussion were picked 
up by the original Seattle Times reporter and she's done a new piece:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002199074_b
tdownload07.html
http://tinyurl.com/4oz4p

Cheers,

Dumbledad.






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  7 14:44:59 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:44:59 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d0gm1h+nn7q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0hpdb+o99l@eGroups.com>


Okay for the third time today... hoping Yahoo doesn't eat the post 
again...

> > Dungrollin wrote:
> > 
> > (Dung as in Mundungus as in tobacco, rollin as in too cheap to 
> > buy pre-fab fags, and Dungrollin as in... oh. <Eyes overflowing 
> > ashtray> It appears that that attempt to give up was 
> > unsuccessful.)
> 
> 
> Carol dares to respond:
> Ah. Britspeak again. I thought, erm, do I dare say this--that it 
> had to do with rolling dung of the variety produced by the dung 
> beetle. You're an entomologist, aren't you, or did I dream that up?

Dungrollin:
No, you didn't dream it, I work on dung beetles. Lucky coincidence, 
eh?

> We Americans don't use "dung" to mean tobacco (and "fag" is an
> impolite term for homosexual).

Brits don't use "dung" to mean tobacco either, I was being ...
inventive.  "Fag" on the other hand has (as I have discovered from 
my delightful Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English - 1400 
pages of terrific fun) a number of meanings, all of which I was 
previously aware of, but didn't know about the dates, so in case 
you're interested:


Fag, n.

In /stand a good fag/, not to become easily tired: late C.18-19: 
coll. (Grose, 3rd ed.) Hence, /fag/, anything that causes weariness; 
toil: coll.:-1780. hence, from ca. 1880, a wearisome thing; a bore.  
Possibly this phrase + /fag/, hard work, drudgery, weariness 
(1780:OED), being a schoolboys' perversion of /fatigue/ (W.), led to:

-2. A boy doing menial work for one in a higher form: schoolboys' 
s.:-1785, >, by 1850, gen. coll. Grose, 1st ed.; Thackeray (of a 
young drudge in a painters' studio). Prob. ex /fag/, v., 1, but, 
despite the dates, perhaps ex /fag/, v., 2.

-3. Eatables: Christ's Hospital (School), from ca. 1800. Leigh Hunt, 
in his autobiography, 'The learned derived the word from the 
Greek /phago/.' 

-4. An inferior cigarette, from ca. 1887; by late 1890s, in RN 
(Goodenough, 1901) and army (J. Milne, 1902), any cigarette, and 
this usage >, by ca. 1915, gen. Abbr. /fag-end/ and ?orig. 
army. 'Cuthbert Bede', 1853, speaks of 'the fag-ends of cigars' 
(SOD).

-5. A lawyer's clerk: Aus. joc.: C.20. B., 1942, ex sense 2.

-6. A male homosexual, esp. if a pathic: adopted, ca. 1960, ex US; 
Powis notes, 1977, 'now not uncommon in West London'. Very prob. ex 
sense 2, but poss. influenced by, a shortening of, /faggot/, n., 4.


So there you go.  I meant number 4, cigarette.  "Fag" is not an 
intrinsically offensive word in UK English. I wouldn't say that 
either meaning is more common, but it's never confusing because of 
the context. I didn't realise that meaning number 6 was so recent - 
I was blissfully unaware of it throughout my childhood, but I 
distinctly remember being taught that fag=cigarette (and that 
lucifer=match) at school when I was 5. We were singing WW1 songs, 
for some reason.


> Mencken was right about two countries separated by a common 
> language (can't remember the exact quote).

Dungrollin:
Shaw, wasn't it? (Could be wrong, can't remember either.)
 
> Carol, hoping she hasn't offended anybody

Dungrollin
Hopes she didn't offend anybody either, and that if she did they now 
realise that she meant no harm (except to her own lungs, which is 
her choice.) And apologies to those who have no interest in 
etymology.






From timregan at microsoft.com  Mon Mar  7 15:39:13 2005
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:39:13 -0000
Subject: Another round of kid's lit bashing
Message-ID: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB0158A295@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

There's an awful piece on Radio 3's "Lebrecht Live" on why adults
shouldn't read children's books. If you are in need of making your blood
boil you can listen to it here: 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/lebrechtlive/ 
http://tinyurl.com/3v7p9 

But, if you do listen to it and need some help calming down, try Philip
Pullman's analysis of the programme:
>>> I thought the discussion was a rich mixture of ignorance and
condescension, and when you take into account the technical clumsiness
and the simple ineptitude of the presentation, it added up to one of the
most vulgar pieces of broadcasting I've heard for a long time.  Vulgar
because it pandered to what it thought a clever audience would naturally
think, without taking the trouble to think for itself. There was a sort
of idle smart-aleckry at work; the dismal assumption that naturally
everything to do with children would be of a lower standard than
anything to do with adults. This is why teaching is regarded as a
second-rate profession, and why paediatrics is the least respected of
medical specialisms, and so on. Howard Jacobson is an amusing cove, some
of the time, but he was invited to play up to a sort of blazing-eyed
Leavisite zealotry and unfortunately fell for the temptation.

The result was a lamentable Roundhead oafishness that would have been
alarming if it had any power behind it. Is it really better to read
nothing than to read Harry Potter? Really? Nothing? Ever? What canting
drivel. <<<

Cheers,

Dumbledad.



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From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 15:36:38 2005
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:36:38 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d0gm1h+nn7q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0hse6+spl8@eGroups.com>


> Carol dares to respond:

snip
 
> Mencken was right about two countries separated by a common 
language
> (can't remember the exact quote).
> 
> Carol, hoping she hasn't offended anybody

Barb:

You're right about the separation of a common language. I'm reminded 
of when I was an exchange student in Denmark. There were about 15 of 
us, living with families. One of the other Americans offered to help 
her host-sister with her English homework. Well, the American ended 
up doing the homework herself. The Danish girl failed the 
assignment, and the teacher wrote a not that perhaps she get her 
American housemate to help her with the next one! That's when we 
really discovered how many differences there are between "American 
English" and "British English."

-Barb






From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Mon Mar  7 13:22:59 2005
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:22:59 -0000
Subject: Muggle versions of magical artefacts: the family awareness clock
In-Reply-To: <d0hag0+m8is@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0hkjj+15bq@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" <timregan at m...> 
wrote:
> 
> Writing the sole reply to one's own post is probably the first sign 
> of madness, but I though you might like an update on Microsoft's 
> Family Awareness Clock.

In an attempt to save you from madness, I must respond to your post!
I enjoyed your first post and was excited to see TLC pick it up.
I was really surprised by the reaction in the comments and almost 
posted here to see what you might say.
I'm SO glad that you responded to them.
I think your work is brillant and that Jo would be flattered.
Hey, if she can put up with all the fanfic with good humor?! O.o
Silly muggles.
Please do keep us informed of any further news!
Bel~







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Mar  7 18:20:51 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:20:51 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d0hpdb+o99l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0i623+9gii@eGroups.com>


Dungrollin wrote:
> > > 
> > > (Dung as in Mundungus as in tobacco, rollin as in too cheap to 
> > > buy pre-fab fags, and Dungrollin as in... oh. <Eyes 
overflowing 
> > > ashtray> It appears that that attempt to give up was 
> > > unsuccessful.)
> > 
> > 
> > Carol dares to respond:
> > Ah. Britspeak again. I thought, erm, do I dare say this--that it 
> > had to do with rolling dung of the variety produced by the dung 
> > beetle. You're an entomologist, aren't you, or did I dream that 
up?
> 
> Dungrollin:
> No, you didn't dream it, I work on dung beetles. Lucky 
coincidence, 
> eh?

And, to add to the laborious explanation of jokes...

I knew perfectly well about the dung beetle connection when I asked 
the original question - it's just that 'Dungrollin' reminds me of 
those spoof house names like Dunroamin that people choose when they 
retire.  Thus, a lawyer might live in a house called Dunsuin, a 
doctor Dunleechin, and so on.  I assumed that Dungrollin had picked 
this name deliberately with that in mind, because of the missing 'g' 
at the end.

David






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 21:32:09 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:32:09 -0000
Subject: Fan Fiction
In-Reply-To: <28435858.1110132943997.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <d0ih8p+n3a2@eGroups.com>






--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at e...> 
wrote:
Hi,
 
You might like these.  Unfortunately, I am not at home and can't 
access my document with the links to these stories.  i find searching 
on fiction alley to be problematic and somewhat difficult with my 
screen reader.  However, i'm sure someone else can provide the links 
for you.  These are Sirius stories, though harry and company are also 
part of them
 
Fate
An AU story in which Sirius returns fromt he other side of the veil 
and he, Remus and Harry try to thwart fate by going back to the time 
before the death of James and Lily.  It is one of my favorite 
stories, with romance, adventure and lots of Sirius.
> 
> Harry Potter and the Guild of the Night
> and its sequel
> 
> harry Potter and the Crystalline Darkenss
> 
> Again, AU.  Harry is blinded by Uncle Vernon.  Sirius does return.  
Very interesting take on how Harry adjusts to his life being blind.  
I am blind, and so there are a few things that I had to get used to 
and suspend belief to accept.  Sirius isn't exactly the main 
character, but once he returns, he's a big part of it.
> 
> The Unbroken Universe triology--Hmmm, can I remember the order here-
--
> promises unbroken, promises remembered and promises defended
> 
> Extremely AU.  James and Lily do not die.  The four marauders are 
really the main characters with sirius playing probably the biggest 
role.  it's very dark, but i really like it a lot.
> 
> And if you like a little humor try,
> 
> The Upbringing of harry black
> 
> This only has a few chapters and hasn't been updated in quite a 
while.  I hope it's still being worked on.  Sirius takes Harry at the 
time of the deaths of James and Lily, and they disappear to New 
York.  Quirky.



Alla:

Here is the link to Unbroken Universe trilogy

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/22909/. The author's name is Robin4.

If someone can provide links to the other stories, I will be very 
grateful too, because I also find searching on fictionalley to be 
very frustrating.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it was my impression that you cannot 
search by story title there, right?

Alla.







From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon Mar  7 21:35:54 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:35:54 -0000
Subject: two replies: 1) 'best year yet' 2) LV's libido
In-Reply-To: <d0fsdt+33qu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0ihfq+3op1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:

> I personally feel certain, altho' there is no canon on the subject,
> believe that LV has neither sexual organs nor sexual desire, as a
> result of his immortality spells.

Geoff:
Which might be a good thing because is any lady going to desire 
Voldermort in his present form?






From heidi at heidi8.com  Mon Mar  7 21:48:57 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:48:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fan Fiction
In-Reply-To: <d0ih8p+n3a2@eGroups.com>
References: <28435858.1110132943997.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
	 <d0ih8p+n3a2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f80503071348a369acd@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:32:09 -0000, dumbledore11214
<dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If someone can provide links to the other stories, I will be very
> grateful too, because I also find searching on fictionalley to be
> very frustrating.
> 
> Correct me if I am wrong, but it was my impression that you cannot
> search by story title there, right?

Actually, you can, but you have to search by house, individually. At
one point, we wanted to get a Google comprehensive search thingy for
the whole site, but the cost was something like a thousand dollars a
year, which we don't have handy. There's two different sets of pages
on which you can do that type of search:

http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/ is our general issue
search page, with a number of different search engines. You can type
in an author name, a title, or a quote from a story into the GOOGLE
box on top, select the house, and see if you get lucky. If you don't,
on the next page, change the house, and you'll get it after three more
tries, if not before. It's a full text search engine, which is nice.

You can also follow the links from that page to the
keyword/authorname/.title search for each house - they're also at
http://www.schnoogle.com/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi
http://www.astronomytower.org/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi
http://www.thedarkarts.org/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi
http://www.riddikulus.org/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi

And, of course, all the reviewboard pages, as well as al lthe Park
pages, and every single fic listing page, includes a set of links to
fund authors by name, if you remember an author's name.

Anyhow, Crystaline Darkness and Guild of the Night are both at
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Katling/ - they're by the same
author.

And we are working on a comprehensive search engine/fic archive
database - it's been in the making for a *long* time, and I'm really
pushing the techies to finish it well enough before HBP comes out. :
crosses fingers


Heidi (FA Admin, longtime HPfGUer)



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Mon Mar  7 22:03:25 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:03:25 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fan Fiction
Message-ID: <4401921.1110233006238.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Thanks, Heidi!  this is good information.  i admit to much cursing and hair tearing over trying to find a fic.  especially now, when I'm out of town and so don't have my personal list of fics I'm reading or want to read!  maybe this will help.  

i should also add that occasionally I have gone to google and entered a fic name into the search field and found some of them.  so, that is another option.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: Heidi <heidi at heidi8.com>
Sent: Mar 7, 2005 1:48 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fan Fiction


On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:32:09 -0000, dumbledore11214
<dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If someone can provide links to the other stories, I will be very
> grateful too, because I also find searching on fictionalley to be
> very frustrating.
> 
> Correct me if I am wrong, but it was my impression that you cannot
> search by story title there, right?

Actually, you can, but you have to search by house, individually. At
one point, we wanted to get a Google comprehensive search thingy for
the whole site, but the cost was something like a thousand dollars a
year, which we don't have handy. There's two different sets of pages
on which you can do that type of search:

http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/ is our general issue
search page, with a number of different search engines. You can type
in an author name, a title, or a quote from a story into the GOOGLE
box on top, select the house, and see if you get lucky. If you don't,
on the next page, change the house, and you'll get it after three more
tries, if not before. It's a full text search engine, which is nice.

You can also follow the links from that page to the
keyword/authorname/.title search for each house - they're also at
http://www.schnoogle.com/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi
http://www.astronomytower.org/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi
http://www.thedarkarts.org/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi
http://www.riddikulus.org/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi

And, of course, all the reviewboard pages, as well as al lthe Park
pages, and every single fic listing page, includes a set of links to
fund authors by name, if you remember an author's name.

Anyhow, Crystaline Darkness and Guild of the Night are both at
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Katling/ - they're by the same
author.

And we are working on a comprehensive search engine/fic archive
database - it's been in the making for a *long* time, and I'm really
pushing the techies to finish it well enough before HBP comes out. :
crosses fingers


Heidi (FA Admin, longtime HPfGUer)



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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 18:10:29 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:10:29 -0000
Subject: ... 2) LV's libido
In-Reply-To: <d0fsdt+33qu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0i5el+11645@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:

> 
> Dina wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26322 :
> 
> <<  It's possible [LV] libido may have remained intact... or not. >>
> 
> I personally feel certain, altho' there is no canon on the subject,
> believe that LV has neither sexual organs nor sexual desire, as a
> result of his immortality spells.

bboyminn:

Sort of takes the fun out of immortality, doesn't it?

Steve/bboyminn






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Mar  7 22:27:28 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:27:28 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LV's libido
References: <d0fsdt+33qu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c52364$d94b0000$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Rita wrote:

<I personally feel certain, altho'
there is no canon on the subject,
believe that LV has neither sexual
organs nor sexual desire,>

I thought we dropped this subject a few
years ago.  *narrows eyes at Rita*
You're just trying to bring me back to
life!

There's no canon proof either way but
honestly I think when he got his body
back, his sexual desire and...parts
came back with it.  There's no reason
why the immortality spells would knock
of his bits.

Sex is power, a form of control.  He
doesn't have to be intrested in it to
see it's benefits.  Tom Riddle was a
very good looking young man, he would
have realized early on to use his sex
appeal to get what he wants.

As Voldemort he would probably still
use it as a way to keep his followers
or wannabe's in line.  The power hungry
DE's would crawl over themselves for a
chance to be their master's favorite,
in bed or out.

To lose this would lose a part of his
control.

Besides, for a guy like Voldemort, a
little s/m would be the perfect end to
a night of murder and blood.  *winks*

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 22:52:34 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:52:34 -0000
Subject: Hungarian horntail (GoF movie)
In-Reply-To: <d0gi7t+83l3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0ilvi+7omk@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Here's a link to some shots of the hungarian horntail that will be
> used in GoF: http://www.mugglethai.com/g_horntail.html
> 
> Anyone besides me think she looks too much like the basilisk and 
not enough like a dragon? (I pictured the snout as longer and 
narrower, for one. Also, she's supposed to be black, in contrast to 
the red Chinese Fireball, the Welsh Green, and the blue Swedish 
Shortsnout.
> 
> Carol, who's surprised that she remembered all those dragon breeds

*****\(@@)/*****

I saw that and figured I would wait and see how the dragons look in 
the movie before I really judge, though I don't have great hopes 
from seeing the horntail. Hopefully it will look better through the 
magic of special effects! My favorite dragon picture is the one on 
the cover of the Eragon book. THAT is a good looking dragon!

*****\(@@)/*****

Dudemom_2000






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 00:48:46 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:48:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ... 2) LV's libido
In-Reply-To: <d0i5el+11645@eGroups.com>
References: <d0fsdt+33qu@eGroups.com> <d0i5el+11645@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005030716483ed18cb1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:10:29 -0000, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sort of takes the fun out of immortality, doesn't it?

Aye, it's like those Ken dolls... or Alan Rickman in Dogma. {g}

Dina



From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Tue Mar  8 02:58:44 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:58:44 -0000
Subject: Hungarian horntail (GoF movie)
In-Reply-To: <d0ilvi+7omk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0j4d4+behu@eGroups.com>


 > Dudemom_2000
> I saw that and figured I would wait and see how the dragons look in 
> the movie before I really judge, though I don't have great hopes 
> from seeing the horntail. Hopefully it will look better through the 
> magic of special effects! My favorite dragon picture is the one on 
> the cover of the Eragon book. THAT is a good looking dragon!
> 

Take a look at some more very good looking dragons:
http://media.animal.discovery.com/convergence/dragons/index.html
This will be on Animal Planet next Sunday, March 20. Worth a look!
Ms. Tattersall






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 03:02:12 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:02:12 -0500
Subject: Watching Supersize Me
Message-ID: <1a27384005030719023616ab5f@mail.gmail.com>

Man, I want a large milkshake and large size of French fries... and a
few hamburgers.

{sigh}  What I'm currently eating is Asian food of rice, seaweed, and
fishcake (cousin of the 'artificial' crab meat).  I want some fast
food!  Except McDonald's and Burger King costs too much. :-\

Poverty condemns you to 'semi-healthy' foods. {g}

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Mar  8 04:50:58 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:50:58 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching Supersize Me
References: <1a27384005030719023616ab5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c5239a$6c0611c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

<What I'm currently eating is Asian
food>

I'm suffering the opposite, I'm
currently living off the dollar menu
while I'm craving Japanese and Chinese.

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  8 05:15:36 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:15:36 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ... 2) LV's libido
References: <d0fsdt+33qu@eGroups.com> <d0i5el+11645@eGroups.com> <1a27384005030716483ed18cb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV108C2B9838FF979C9FDEEEB6500@phx.gbl>

Naaaaah, actually, his father's genes were messed up, that's why he hasent got genitals, and that's the reason for his high pitched voice and hate for muggles. =P

Valy.

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From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar  8 08:51:55 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:51:55 -0000
Subject: Horrible Scabbers/Weasley things, and how to cook trout.
Message-ID: <d0jp3b+m3j5@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone, I have a query that's spilled over from a topic I posted on the 
serious-Potterchat forum. I wrote saying how thoroughly creepy I found it that 
Ron and the other Weasleys were deceived into giving so much affection and 
physical attention (hugs and stroking etc) to a rat that was in fact a vile, 
unhinged man in disguise. If I was Ron I wouldn't stop washing myself for at 
least a month! Anyway, to take my mind of the Scabbers/Weasley thing, I 
found something more important and distressing to get stressed about - does 
anyone know a good way to cook trout? I'm not too fond of it, but I have 
friends coming round at the weekend who asked for it when I asked what they 
wanted for dinner. Help! I've never cooked it, never even ordered it in a 
restaurant, and really don't know what to do.

Sandra (contemplating telling them I can't find any)












From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 13:28:00 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:28:00 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Horrible Scabbers/Weasley things, and how to cook trout.
Message-ID: <76.4e77d14f.2f5f0260@aol.com>

Sandra,
If you will let me know what you plan to do with the trout..grill, bake,  
broil....I can give you a good recipe from "NAFC or North American Fishing  Club".
 
Mary - sitting here wishing I had trout to cook.


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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  8 13:37:06 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:37:06 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
Message-ID: <d0k9q2+lvle@eGroups.com>


Oh, my goodness!!  The cover art has been released for the two UK and 
the one American edition of HBP.  Take a look at what's on the cover 
of the UK adult version:  

http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org/images/2005/03/adulthbpbloomsbury.html

It's a textbook for "Advanced Potion Making."  Does that mean Harry 
somehow did manage to make it into Snape's NEWT-level Potions class??

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 14:30:28 2005
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:30:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050308143028.24281.qmail@web61006.mail.yahoo.com>



cubfanbudwoman <susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  The cover art has been released for the two UK and 
the one American edition of HBP.  Take a look at what's on the cover 
of the UK adult version:  

http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org/images/2005/03/adulthbpbloomsbury.html

It's a textbook for "Advanced Potion Making."  Does that mean Harry 
somehow did manage to make it into Snape's NEWT-level Potions class??

Siriusly Snapey Susan

Now me:

       Looks like a very old and battered book on advanced potion making to me. I wondered if it was a Weasley possession. Maybe Ron made it into NEWT potions. Then I went off at a tangent:

Didn't Sirius say something along the lines of

"If ever there was a family of blood traitors it's the Weasleys!"

Could a Weasley be the half-blood prince? They are a pure-blood family, but could they have polluted a ROYAL wizarding bloodline at some point?

Is anyone else a bit disturbed at the UK children's cover? Harry and Dumbledore wrapped in swirls of fire. Did anyone else get the impression that they were searching for something? 

Roll on July!

Sam




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From madettebeau at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 15:07:50 2005
From: madettebeau at gmail.com (miasbo)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:07:50 -0000
Subject: Scholastic Book Cover
Message-ID: <d0kf46+4lug@eGroups.com>


Some people are speculating that the thing that Harry and Dumbledore
are leaning over/looking at is some sort of pensieve or some other
kind of basin.

But to me it looks like ....a PILLAR!

Storg?, anyone? *giggles*

I would find it hilarious if, after all that went on with that hoax,
there actually turned out to be some kind of magical pillar in the 6th
book.

=)
Maddy






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar  8 15:24:39 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:24:39 -0000
Subject: How to cook trout, Mary.
In-Reply-To: <76.4e77d14f.2f5f0260@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d0kg3n+96b7@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, shalimar07 at a... wrote:
> Sandra,
> If you will let me know what you plan to do with the trout..grill, bake,  
> broil....I can give you a good recipe from "NAFC or North American Fishing  
Club".
>  
> Mary - sitting here wishing I had trout to cook.


Thank you Mary! I 'm not to sure what to do with a trout at all - but as long as 
I end up with something nice I'll be very happy - and relieved. I'd lean towards 
grilling, because I find that works so nicely for some fish (keeps a good 
texture), plus I get to keep a very close eye on how it's doing!! I have my 
fingers crossed that the NAFC have a little gem of a recipe somewhere?

Sandra (pleased that the internet exists!)







From timregan at microsoft.com  Tue Mar  8 15:34:44 2005
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:34:44 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Advances Potion Making???
Message-ID: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB015CCF35@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

Siriusly Snapey Susan asked:
>>> It's a textbook for "Advanced Potion Making."  Does that mean Harry
somehow did manage to make it into Snape's NEWT-level Potions class??
<<<

Or it's not Harry's. Do we know who it is by? Is it one we've had
mentioned before? Is it by Snape? What new potions are in it? OMG, this
is just too exciting for me.

Sam asked:
>>> Is anyone else a bit disturbed at the UK children's cover? Harry and
Dumbledore wrapped in swirls of fire. Did anyone else get the impression
that they were searching for something? <<<

Yes. To me they look as if they are staring at impending doom, searching
for *hope* as a million and one death eaters and assorted monsters bear
down on them.

Cheers,

Trembling with antici ...

... pation,

Dumbledad.




From entropymail at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 17:19:39 2005
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:19:39 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB015CCF35@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <d0kmrb+hclr@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" <timregan at m...> wrote:
> 
> Or it's not Harry's. Do we know who it is by? Is it one we've had
> mentioned before? Is it by Snape? What new potions are in it? OMG, this
> is just too exciting for me.

A bit below the title is the fuzzy name of the author.  It looks to me
to be Gilderoy (!) Borage.

"Borage: As early as the 1600's, Europeans mixed borage leaves and
flowers into a wine that was renowned for relieving boredom and
dispelling melancholy."

:: Entropy ::






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Mar  8 13:18:12 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:18:12 -0000
Subject: HPB Cover is Out!
Message-ID: <d0k8mk+idg1@eGroups.com>


See it depicted here:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/03/scholhbpcover.html

  - CMC






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  8 18:17:07 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:17:07 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB015CCF35@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <d0kq73+ss85@eGroups.com>


> Siriusly Snapey Susan asked:
> >>> It's a textbook for "Advanced Potion Making."  Does that mean 
Harry somehow did manage to make it into Snape's NEWT-level Potions 
class??
> <<<
> 
> Sam asked:
> >>> Is anyone else a bit disturbed at the UK children's cover? 
Harry and Dumbledore wrapped in swirls of fire. Did anyone else get 
the impression that they were searching for something? <<<
> 

So we have three covers. The UK children's version shows Harry and 
Dumbledore surrounded by swirls of fire that appear to be coming 
from DD's wand. My immediate impression was that they're defending 
themselves. Though it's rather *feathery* fire, isn't it? For 
example compared to the dragon fire on the UK cover of GoF. Has 
anyone suggested that Fawkes might be the HBP?

The US version shows Harry and Dumbledore looking into a pensieve, 
Harry with his wand ready. The question is, whose memories are in 
the pensieve? Harry's memories from Godric's Hollow? Or perhaps some 
more of Snape's? Aha - no! I have it: The brain which attacked Ron 
in the brain room of the DoM is the brain of the Half-blood Prince, 
which leaves some memories in Ron, so the memories in the pensieve 
are from Ron's head, but actually happened to a completely different 
person.

Then we have a Potions textbook. Hmm. Not sure we can glean a lot 
from that, though it could at least be an indication that Harry's 
not giving up Potions. Not that many thought he would be.

> Trembling with antici ...
> 
> ... pation,
> 
> Dumbledad.

Oh #!@$, this is awful. I'm not going to be able to sleep...

Dungrollin






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  8 18:27:59 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:27:59 -0000
Subject: Advanced Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <d0kq73+ss85@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0kqrf+s151@eGroups.com>


> The US version shows Harry and Dumbledore looking into a pensieve, 
> Harry with his wand ready. The question is, whose memories are in 
> the pensieve? Harry's memories from Godric's Hollow? 
> 
> Oh #!@$, this is awful. I'm not going to be able to sleep...
> 
> Dungrollin



You're so funny, Dung. :-)

One thought I had was that Harry *is* watching the GH memory, and the 
reason I think so is that the light, which appears to be emanating 
from the penseive, is GREEN.  As in, AK-green.

Good question, though, about whose memories they'd be.  DD's?  
Snape's? ??

This wouldn't be pleasant for Harry to see, but wouldn't it be 
refreshing if, FINALLY, DD allowed Harry to get some real facts?

SSSusan







From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  8 20:15:04 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:15:04 -0000
Subject: Advanced Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <d0kqrf+s151@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0l148+gnb8@eGroups.com>


Dungrollin wrote:
> > The US version shows Harry and Dumbledore looking into a 
pensieve, Harry with his wand ready. The question is, whose memories 
are in the pensieve? Harry's memories from Godric's Hollow? 

Oh #!@$, this is awful. I'm not going to be able to sleep...
> > 

SSSusan replied:
> One thought I had was that Harry *is* watching the GH memory, and 
the reason I think so is that the light, which appears to be 
emanating from the penseive, is GREEN.  As in, AK-green.
> 
> Good question, though, about whose memories they'd be.  DD's?  
> Snape's? ??
> 
> This wouldn't be pleasant for Harry to see, but wouldn't it be 
> refreshing if, FINALLY, DD allowed Harry to get some real facts?
> 
> SSSusan


Did you have to say that? I'm overexcited as it is... 

However, I've done a U-turn, I now think it's far more likely to be 
some of DD's memories about Voldemort. (This will no doubt change 
regularly over the course of the next day or two.) Something nice 
and bangy... The first three times James and Lily defied him, 
perhaps. Something to explain that cryptic "Knowing him as I have 
done" that annoys me so much.

And I've now convinced myself that the potions book on the adult 
cover is simply a marketing ploy, because they know all the adults 
who see it will immediately think "Snape!" and buy it.

Dungrollin
Wishing she didn't hate herbal tea so much, because she needs 
something to calm her down a bit.








From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  8 16:20:41 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:20:41 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB015CCF35@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <d0kjcp+59ko@eGroups.com>


Siriusly Snapey Susan asked:
>>> It's a textbook for "Advanced Potion Making."  Does that mean 
Harry somehow did manage to make it into Snape's NEWT-level Potions 
class?? <<<

Dumbledad: 
> Or it's not Harry's. Do we know who it is by? Is it one we've had
> mentioned before? Is it by Snape? What new potions are in it? OMG, 
> this is just too exciting for me.


SSSusan:
I just made the assumption that if it was important enough to the 
plot to be THE cover article, it must be Harry's.  That could, of 
course, be wrong.  (But I hope not -- I want Harry in that class! :-))

I can't quite make out the author's name.  Last name seems to start 
out "Bor," kind of like Borgin, but the 4th letter doesn't look like 
a "g," really.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 20:53:05 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:53:05 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <d0kjcp+59ko@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0l3bh+jvci@eGroups.com>


SSSusan:
I just made the assumption that if it was important enough to the 
plot to be THE cover article, it must be Harry's.  That could, of 
course, be wrong.  (But I hope not -- I want Harry in that class! :-))
 
I can't quite make out the author's name.  Last name seems to start 
out "Bor," kind of like Borgin, but the 4th letter doesn't look like 
a "g," really.



Alla:

Me thinks Harry will be in that class ( I mean it can't be that their 
interactions will stop, right? So, it is rather that or Snape gets 
DADA position, which personally I strongly doubt), but I can also see 
Harry getting extra tutoring in potions from someone else ( say 
Dumbledore)

JMO,

Alla






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  8 18:02:23 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:02:23 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <d0kmrb+hclr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0kpbf+rvat@eGroups.com>


Entropy:
> A bit below the title is the fuzzy name of the author.  It looks to 
me
> to be Gilderoy (!) Borage.
> 
> "Borage: As early as the 1600's, Europeans mixed borage leaves and
> flowers into a wine that was renowned for relieving boredom and
> dispelling melancholy."


SSSusan:
You have EXCELLENT eyesight, Entropy!  

Oh, my.  Another intriguing possibility here.  With "Gilderoy" 
perhaps translated as "golden king" or "gilded king" [is that 
right?], then maybe the Potions author is the HBP?

Or is the reference to "Borage" supposed to be the key -- a typical 
JKR joke on Potions being ennui-inducing and dealing with Snape being 
depressing for Harry?

Becoming very silly in her giddiness,
Siriusly Snapey Susan







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 22:23:24 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:23:24 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <d0kpbf+rvat@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0l8ks+3gpm@eGroups.com>


Entropy:
A bit below the title is the fuzzy name of the author.  It looks to 
me to be Gilderoy (!) Borage.
 
"Borage: As early as the 1600's, Europeans mixed borage leaves and
flowers into a wine that was renowned for relieving boredom and
dispelling melancholy."> 
 
 SSSusan:
You have EXCELLENT eyesight, Entropy!  
 
Oh, my.  Another intriguing possibility here.  With "Gilderoy" 
> perhaps translated as "golden king" or "gilded king" [is that 
> right?], then maybe the Potions author is the HBP?

Alla:

He! Maybe Harry's new potions teacher WILL be HBP ( if this is a new 
character). Maybe Dumbledore decided to hire second Potions master. :)


Susan: 
Or is the reference to "Borage" supposed to be the key -- a typical 
JKR joke on Potions being ennui-inducing and dealing with Snape being 
depressing for Harry?

Alla:

Maybe one of the potions in this book will help Harry with his genral 
deppression. Very wild speculations ARE allowed here, am I correct? :)


> 
> Becoming very silly in her giddiness,
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Alla:

Me too, me too.






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 22:39:31 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:39:31 -0000
Subject: Hungarian horntail (GoF movie)
In-Reply-To: <d0j4d4+behu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0l9j3+gnrb@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "MsTattersall" <cwood at t...> 
wrote:
> 
>Snippity Snip> 

> Take a look at some more very good looking dragons:
> http://media.animal.discovery.com/convergence/dragons/index.html
> This will be on Animal Planet next Sunday, March 20. Worth a look!
> Ms. Tattersall

*****\(@@)/*****

Wow! I will have to catch that. It really looked good. Maybe the HP 
dragons will look as good in the end! 

*****\(@@)/*****

Dudemom_2000






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  8 23:03:39 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:03:39 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <d0kpbf+rvat@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0lb0b+9400@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> 
> Entropy:
> > A bit below the title is the fuzzy name of the author.  It looks 
to 
> me
> > to be Gilderoy (!) Borage.
> > 
> > "Borage: As early as the 1600's, Europeans mixed borage leaves 
and
> > flowers into a wine that was renowned for relieving boredom and
> > dispelling melancholy."
> 
> 
> SSSusan:
> You have EXCELLENT eyesight, Entropy!  
> 
> Oh, my.  Another intriguing possibility here.  With "Gilderoy" 
> perhaps translated as "golden king" or "gilded king" [is that 
> right?], then maybe the Potions author is the HBP?
> 
> Or is the reference to "Borage" supposed to be the key -- a 
typical 
> JKR joke on Potions being ennui-inducing and dealing with Snape 
being 
> depressing for Harry?
> 
> Becoming very silly in her giddiness,
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Try this one:
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg

If that's an 'l' in the middle then it's Libalius Borage. Borage is 
a herb (and it has a whole family, the Boraginaceae, named after 
it), Libalius I'm not sure of. 








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  8 11:44:05 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:44:05 -0000
Subject: Another round of kid's lit bashing
In-Reply-To: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB0158A295@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <d0k365+3m09@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" <timregan at m...> 
wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> There's an awful piece on Radio 3's "Lebrecht Live" on why adults
> shouldn't read children's books. If you are in need of making your 
blood
> boil you can listen to it here: 
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/lebrechtlive/ 
> http://tinyurl.com/3v7p9 

Tonks here:
I listened to this. I think that some of the people saying that 
adults reading children's books were dumb and poor readers are first 
of all people who have not read the HP books. Also they may be folks 
like Mr. Lebrecht and to be pitied.  Perhaps Mr. Lebrecht was denied 
a childhood. If he started reading what he says were Adult books 
early on, then never having been a child, he has become one of these 
stuffy intellectuals who don't know how to really live.  I was more 
disturbed by the comment by one of the participants who said that he 
did not like seeing adults acting childish. Well we need to allow 
our *inner child* room to play. So folks that are all adult all the 
time are just not living a full live.  And if they are concerned 
about what other people think, then they are not all that adult 
either.  When you are really grown up, not only do you get to wear 
purple, but you are your own person. You don't care what anyone 
thinks, you do what you like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.  I 
like to fly kites, watch the Muppets, go to some kid movies, etc.  
And I don't have to drag someone's kid along to hide the fact 
either.  I even dress up as one of the characters in HP and go trick 
or treating with my 80 year old friend!  Enjoy life while you can!  
Like my friend says "you will have plenty of time for peace and 
quiet in your grave".  Only the very young and very old are truly 
*free*.  And we can learn from them both.

Tonks_op








From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 00:21:51 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:21:51 -0000
Subject: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
Message-ID: <d0lfiv+dqbl@eGroups.com>


In the Photo section of this group, in the folder 'Potion Title', I
have added a 300x close up of the Potions Book title and author from
the HBP Adult cover, and a 500x of the Author's name.

Above the image, remember to click on 'Full Size' to see the image
full size.

It doesn't look like 'Gilderoy', it looks more like 'Gib...n', so
perhaps it could be Gibran or Gibeon or perhaps Gibalon or something
close to that.

It may or may not be significant.

Hope that helps.

Steve/bboyminn






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 04:09:53 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:09:53 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
Message-ID: <7b.409c6cbc.2f5fd111@aol.com>

When When I was at work with high powered computers the name looked like  
Libereus Borage or Tiberius Borage.  I'll have to check tomorrow.
 
Shalimar07


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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 04:22:28 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:22:28 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]  How to cook trout, Mary.
Message-ID: <1b9.ee7bd9c.2f5fd404@aol.com>

Sandra,
 
Here's the recipe for Grilled Trout Italiano
 
4 Rainbow Trout, boned with head removed
2 T.Dry White Wine
2 garlic cloves, minces
1 T.Fresh Parley, chopped
1 tsp. fresh oregano, chopped
1/4 tsp. salt
1/8 tsp. gorund white pepper
2 T. Olive Oil
 
Combine all ingredients (except trout and oil) to form marinande.   Gradually 
whisk in oil.  Pul marianade over trout and marinate for about 30  minutes in 
refrigerator.  (In place of marinade, 1/3 cup Italian or  vinaigrette may be 
used.) Place trout on oiled grill and cook for about 3-4  minutes per side, 
gently turning once.  Serve immediately.
 
Thought you might like this one also:
 
Stuffed Trout with Bacon
 
1 Trout, cleaned
6 bacon strips
2 T.Onion, chopped
2 T. celery, chopped
1/4 lb. butter
1/2 T. Thyme
1/2 T. Garlic Power
     Salt and Pepper to taste
1 egg
1/4 cup milk
1 1/2 cups bread cubes
 
Fry 2 bacon strips until crisp. Saute onion and celery in butter until  
clear.  Add spices and crumbled bacon.  In small bowl, beat egg and  milk together 
and stir in bread cubes: add to bacon mixture to make stuffing and  brown.  
Stuff trout and wrap remaining bacon strips around trout.   Bake at 325 degrees 
for 1 hour.
 
Enjoy....**Always remember to preheat and oven 10 minutes before  baking***


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 01:07:46 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:07:46 -0000
Subject: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
In-Reply-To: <d0lfiv+dqbl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0li92+frfi@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> 

>Snip<
> 
> It doesn't look like 'Gilderoy', it looks more like 'Gib...n', so
> perhaps it could be Gibran or Gibeon or perhaps Gibalon or 
something close to that.
> 
> It may or may not be significant.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

*****\(@@)/*****
This picture was very clear to me.

Look at this link:

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg

Definitely looks like Libatius Borage to me. Great name....

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****








From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 07:24:29 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:24:29 -0000
Subject: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
In-Reply-To: <d0li92+frfi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0m8bd+9h1a@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000"
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
> wrote:
>
> > 
> > It doesn't look like 'Gilderoy', it looks more like 'Gib...n', so
> > perhaps it could be Gibran or Gibeon or perhaps Gibalon or 
> something close to that.
> > 
> > It may or may not be significant.
> > 
> > Hope that helps.
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn


> dudemom_2000:
>
> This picture was very clear to me.
> 
> Look at this link:
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg
> 
> Definitely looks like Libatius Borage to me. Great name....
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****


bboyminn:

Excellent image, large and very clear. 

I agree it's either 'Libatius' or 'Libalius'

I added a 3x blow-up of this new image, and tweaked the contrast and
exposure to bring out the lettering.

In case, you didn't notice, my previous blow-ups were not 300x and
500x, but 300% (3x) and 500% (5x).

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn







From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar  9 08:52:46 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:52:46 -0000
Subject: How to cook trout, Mary.
In-Reply-To: <1b9.ee7bd9c.2f5fd404@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d0mdgu+6q8v@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, shalimar07 at a... wrote:
> Sandra,
>  
> Here's the recipe for Grilled Trout Italiano
> Thought you might like this one also:
> Stuffed Trout with Bacon
> Enjoy***
> 

Well aren't you a star? Thank you so much for doing that, it's very good of 
you - I am SO grateful and VERY relieved! I had a good one from Tammy as 
well, so now I  might well have to have them all around again to try all three 
out! I will have a practice-run today and decde what to do tomorrow.
Thank you again,
Sandra (breathing big sigh of relief) 






From spin01 at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 14:16:43 2005
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:16:43 -0000
Subject: HBP Cover has been revealed.
Message-ID: <d0n0gb+ug28@eGroups.com>


If you go to the Borders Website they have the cover for the new 
Harry Potter book. just thought I would share.
sherry






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 15:37:40 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:37:40 -0000
Subject: HBP Bookcover and new JKR's clue Felix
Message-ID: <d0n584+9t5i@eGroups.com>


I see that people are talking about the book cover on both list. You 
folk here might want to go to HPFGU and read my post of 125751 (and 
125751.)  

Sorry for the sales pitch.  I posted it late last night and no one 
seems to have read it yet.. and I can't wait to see what people 
think. ;-)

Tonks_op






From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed Mar  9 16:39:06 2005
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:39:06 -0000
Subject: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
In-Reply-To: <d0li92+frfi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0n8ra+vh02@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "dudemom_2000" wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
[snip]
> Look at this link:
> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg
> 
> Definitely looks like Libatius Borage to me. Great name....
> 
> Dudemom_2000

Particularly with thesaurus.com having as its fourth entry 
for "libation":

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=2&q=libation
* Main Entry:  potion	
* Part of Speech:  noun	
* Definition:  concoction	
* Synonyms:  aromatic, brew, cordial, cup, dose, draft, dram, 
draught, drink, elixir, libation, liquid, liquor, medicine, mixture, 
nip, philter, remedy, restorative, spirits, stimulant, tonic	
* Source:  Roget's New Millennium? Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright ? 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights 
reserved.

Best regards
Christian Stub?






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 17:41:29 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:41:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP Bookcover and new JKR's clue Felix
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050309174129.21405.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>

I read both Tonks' posts late last night.  The description that Borage needs bees to pollinate intrigued me a bit... could bee be imagery for Dumbledore?  Could Borage be a distant relative of his, as Dumbledore also seems to 'strengthen insect (Death Eaters) and disease (Dark Order manifested as LV) resistance in nearby plants (people not necessarily his BLOOD relation.)'  
 
Speaking of plants... I posted a while ago on the main list about Snape's plant imagery (SSSusan, off-list, referred to it and him as Saguaro!Snape which I thought was brilliant), and Dumbledore seems to have strengthened Snape's resistance to Death Eaters and the Dark Order.   
 
Any thoughts?
Kemper
 
 
tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:

I see that people are talking about the book cover on both list. You 
folk here might want to go to HPFGU and read my post of 125751 (and 
125751.)  

Sorry for the sales pitch.  I posted it late last night and no one 
seems to have read it yet.. and I can't wait to see what people 
think. ;-)

Tonks_op





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From entropymail at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 17:36:17 2005
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:36:17 -0000
Subject: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
In-Reply-To: <d0lfiv+dqbl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0nc6h+ts4v@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> In the Photo section of this group, in the folder 'Potion Title', I
> have added a 300x close up of the Potions Book title and author from
> the HBP Adult cover, and a 500x of the Author's name.

Thanks, Steve.  The first name seems to be Liberius or Tiberius, or
some such thing.  

I have to wonder if the "Borage" part ("Borage: ...was renowned for
relieving boredom and dispelling melancholy") is just JKR's way of 
winking and telling us that soon we'll have something to do other than
twiddling on endlessly about a certain gleam in a certain eye and
magnifying insignificant letters on insignificant photos looking for
non-existent clues.  Here's to soon having our boredom relieved and
our melancholy dispelled!

:: Entropy ::







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 19:08:57 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:08:57 -0000
Subject: Quick Brit Speak Question: 2:1 in his MA
In-Reply-To: <d0hse6+spl8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0nhk9+8d14@eGroups.com>


Carol earlier:
<snip> 
> > Mencken was right about two countries separated by a common 
language (can't remember the exact quote).

Barb responded:
> 
> You're right about the separation of a common language. <snip
amusing anecdote>

Carol responds:
But wrong about Mencken. Dungrollin is right. It was Shaw. <blush>
Should've checked my facts before I posted.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 19:14:37 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:14:37 -0000
Subject: two replies: 1) 'best year yet' 2) LV's libido
In-Reply-To: <d0ihfq+3op1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0nhut+bfq5@eGroups.com>


Catlady (wrote:
> 
> > I personally feel certain, altho' there is no canon on the
subject, believe that LV has neither sexual organs nor sexual desire,
as a result of his immortality spells.
> 
> Geoff:
> Which might be a good thing because is any lady going to desire 
> Voldermort in his present form?


Only if her name is Nagini. Ugh. Forget I said that.

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 19:45:50 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:45:50 -0000
Subject: How to cook trout, Mary.
In-Reply-To: <d0mdgu+6q8v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0njpe+be6l@eGroups.com>


Mary <snipped>:
> > Here's the recipe for Grilled Trout Italiano
> > Thought you might like this one also:
> > Stuffed Trout with Bacon
> > Enjoy***
> > 
> 
> Well aren't you a star? Thank you so much for doing that, it's very
good of you - I am SO grateful and VERY relieved! I had a good one
from Tammy as well, so now I  might well have to have them all around
again to try all three out! I will have a practice-run today and decde
what to do tomorrow.
> Thank you again,
> Sandra (breathing big sigh of relief)

Carol notes:
When I was a newlywed (ages ago), my (ex-)husband used to catch trout
and expect me to cook them. I used a very easy recipe that I created
myself. After removing the head, entrails and bones (the skeleton
lifts out easily) and washing the fillets thoroughly, I patted them
dry and shook them in a bag of flour lightly seasoned with salt, black
pepper, and thyme. Then I pan-fried them in a teeny bit of cooking oil
till they were lightly browned on both sides and served them. My
husband and I sprinkled on lemon pepper at the table.

Not a gourmet recipe like the ones Mary provided, but tasty and so
easy that a twenty-year-old bride with limited cooking experience (me
at the time) could do it. But if you're a good cook, you may want to
use Mary's recipes instead.

BTW, I understand that trout is an English speciality and I'm
American. My view was, if you don't have a recipe, improvise! I just
adapted the way I cooked chicken to suit fish--less time, more thyme.
(Bad pun. Sorry.)

Carol, who just realized that Sandra has probably already served her
dinner. Hope it went well!






From Roolover93 at comcast.net  Wed Mar  9 20:33:12 2005
From: Roolover93 at comcast.net (lillibug93)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:33:12 -0000
Subject: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
In-Reply-To: <d0lfiv+dqbl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0nmi8+6gcm@eGroups.com>


 In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve"  wrote:
 
>> In the Photo section of this group, in the folder 'Potion Title', I
 have added a 300x close up of the Potions Book title and author from
 the HBP Adult cover, and a 500x of the Author's name.
 
 It doesn't look like 'Gilderoy', it looks more like 'Gib...n', so
 perhaps it could be Gibran or Gibeon or perhaps Gibalon or something
 close to that. <<
 
 I have looked at many of the pictures of the book cover and I believe
that the author's name is Libalius Borage. I did a search for the word
Borage and I got this: Borage (Borago officinalis). The bright blue,
star-shaped flowers (which bloom most of the summer) make borage one
of the prettiest herb plants. It is a native of northern Europe, and
grows well in the temperate regions of North America. It has both
culinary and medicinal uses. Some people believe that the name is
derived from "barrach", a Celtic word meaning "a man of courage." 
According to some, Borage was the famous Nepenthe of Homer, which when
drunk steeped in wine, brought absolute forgetfulness. Owing to the
presence of nitrate of potash when burnt, it will emit sparks with a
slight explosive sound.
I also looked up Libalius but didn't find anything. I think Jo just
made up that name. 
I hope that this helps. 

Lillian 









From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 21:17:52 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:17:52 -0000
Subject: Cover Art
Message-ID: <d0np60+s6f2@eGroups.com>


My, my, it's all very quiet, and then all of a sudden I don't visit 
for a couple of days and everything happens!!
Just my 2P (because I know you all love to hear my opinion).
I have perused all three covers that I am aware of...
1)Adult version - I'd say the author was Libalius Borage, and from 
all the research that others, much worthier than myself, have done, I 
feel fairly confident we've got it right.  I think there's definitely 
a big Snape link in there (But it was fairly certain he was going to 
play a major role, I mean after the trio and DD he is the next main 
character isn't he?)
2)UK children's version - Mm (ponders a while), my first instinct was 
that it was DD and HP in the jaws of Armageddon, but maybe thats a 
bit extreme!  Definitely a bit of fighting going on (as we would 
expect in a war), but DD looks really mad about something...
3)US children's version - is it a pensieve?  is it a pillar?  No its 
DD and HP as immortal gods looking down at us mere mortals trying to 
work out the hidden meanings to the new HP book covers...

Sarah xx






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 23:43:32 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:43:32 -0000
Subject: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
In-Reply-To: <d0m8bd+9h1a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0o1n4+kikp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:

> 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Excellent image, large and very clear. 
> 
> I agree it's either 'Libatius' or 'Libalius'
> 
> I added a 3x blow-up of this new image, and tweaked the contrast and
> exposure to bring out the lettering.
>  ...edited...
> For what it's worth.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

bboyMinn:

Searching the word 'Libalius' in Google DOES return one hit that is
not related to HP. Unfortunately, it is in a foreign language and in
PDF format. I will try to reproduce part of it here in case anyone is
able to translate it. It appears to be in a non-Cyrillic European
language.


"Libalius, c?me: Alchemia.  Strassbourgban ?l?sezett az Eur?pa.
Tan?cs ?s az Ukr?n Legfels Tan?cs k?z?s. munkacsoportja, amelyen
r?szt vett Gajdos ..."

http://www.hhrf.org/mekk/egyutt.pdf

Anybody got a clue what this might be referring to?


A search of 'Libatius' doesn't return any non-HP related links but it
does return the word 'libatious' which you can search on Google. It
does appear to be a real word but I can find it in any of my
dictionaries including Dictionary.com and my large library dictionary.

Application examples:

"The phone booth is a Godsend. Every /libatious/ alcove should have one."

"We have found much joy, peace and tranquillity, thank you for
allowing my little /libatious/ group to enjoy one of our most
outstanding holidays at La Musique."

"Corinth NY Libatious Anarchistic Mashers of Buffalo's Inner City
(LAMBIC)"

I assume it is all related to 'libation'* which refers to a drink. 
* Informal.

   1. A beverage, especially an intoxicating beverage.
   2. The act of drinking an intoxicating beverage.


It must either relate to 'libellous' meaning to defame, or 'libation'
as noted above.

For what it's worth


Steve/bboyminn







From shalimar07 at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 01:07:49 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:07:49 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP Potions Book Title Magnified
Message-ID: <2b.6e89c581.2f60f7e5@aol.com>

In the HPANA website you will find postings concerning this name. I thought  
they were pretty interesting.
 
Mary


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 02:06:00 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:06:00 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Remus!!!
Message-ID: <d0oa28+2cju@eGroups.com>


Today (march 10) is Remus Lupin's Birthday.
happy birthay Remus
Good thing it's not full moon, maybe he can go partying all night 
long, maybe some butterbeer or even fire scotch
Here's to you Remus, Cheers

Juli






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 02:13:59 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:13:59 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Remus!!!
In-Reply-To: <d0oa28+2cju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0oah7+1092i@eGroups.com>


Alla:

Yep, congratulations, Remus! May you be alive and well at the end of 
the series. So, does JKR wishes Happy Birthday to 
not ESE! characters only or not? :o)



Juli:
Today (march 10) is Remus Lupin's Birthday.
happy birthay Remus
Good thing it's not full moon, maybe he can go partying all night 
long, maybe some butterbeer or even fire scotch
Here's to you Remus, Cheers







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 03:31:59 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:31:59 -0000
Subject: Scholastic Book Cover
In-Reply-To: <d0kf46+4lug@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0of3f+f2vb@eGroups.com>


Maddy wrote:
> 
> Some people are speculating that the thing that Harry and Dumbledore
are leaning over/looking at is some sort of pensieve or some other
kind of basin.
> 
> But to me it looks like ....a PILLAR!
> 
> Storg?, anyone? *giggles* <snip>



How about an ancient, cracked Pensieve (surely not Dumbledore's own)
resting *on* a Corinthian column? I haven't checked all the posts yet
so I may be duplicating information, but here's a link (sent to me by
Borders Books) to a more than half-size photo of the Scholastic cover.
You can further enlarge it by clicking the plus sign in the magnifying
glass thingy in your cursor:

http://f.chtah.com/i/9/276579820/halfblood_cover_308.jpg

Judging from both the Scholastic cover and the kids' edition cover
from Bloomsbury, Harry is back on good terms with Dumbledore. But I'm
more interested in knowing what's up with Snape. I'd say from the
Bloomsbury adult cover that Harry's taking NEWT Potions, which will
provide some great interaction with our favorite Potions Master--and
with Draco Malfoy and Theo Nott if they're also in that class. I don't
for a moment think that anyone but Snape will teach NEWT Potions. I
doubt that any other Hogwarts teacher (except possibly Dumbledore, and
he already has enough to do) is even capable of teaching the course.

(Note to SSS: You can get your long URLs to link by unchecking "Wrap
Message Text" before posting your message. That way we don't have to
paste in the part of the URL that gets cut off.)

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 03:37:55 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:37:55 -0000
Subject: HPB Cover is Out!
In-Reply-To: <d0k8mk+idg1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0ofej+q2em@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius"
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> 
> See it depicted here:
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/03/scholhbpcover.html
> 
>   - CMC


Ah! Should've known my link would be redundant. Rhetorical question:
Why does Mary Grand Pre always put Harry's wand in his left hand when
we know from SS/PS that he's right-handed? Yes, I know, it would be
awkward to have it sticking out close to DD's left arm, but still it's
uncanonical to make him a lefty!)

Carol






From deannayh at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 03:41:11 2005
From: deannayh at yahoo.com (deannayh)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:41:11 -0000
Subject: New mystery to figure out at www.mugglenet.com
Message-ID: <d0ofkn+3hmg@eGroups.com>


Win a trip to England with HP Fan Trips!
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Are you ready to take our test?
You only have to solve this riddle,
We give you hints, you do the rest.

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) 

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In the "Ultimate Unofficial Guide."
There are buried clues within this poem,
To show the route to where the code resides. 
Posted by Emerson on 03/09 | comments [63] | send to friend | submit 
news 







From deannayh at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 03:50:36 2005
From: deannayh at yahoo.com (deannayh)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:50:36 -0000
Subject: New mystery to figure out at www.mugglenet.com
In-Reply-To: <d0ofkn+3hmg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0og6c+ghki@eGroups.com>


Here's more from their contest page...

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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "deannayh" <deannayh at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Win a trip to England with HP Fan Trips!
> Why do you think we ask you here,
> Are you ready to take our test?
> You only have to solve this riddle,
> We give you hints, you do the rest.
> 
> It has been revealed to us that a secret code has lain hidden in 
> WWP's Ultimate Unofficial Guide for three long years! (Hey, it 
ain't 
> 50 years in the Chamber of Secrets, but if it had been a basilisk 
it 
> would have bit you
) 
> 
> Visit our Competitions page right now for details on how to solve 
> the riddle to find the code and become a finalist with a crack at 
> winning the big prize - a trip to England for two with HP Fan 
Trips! 
> But ye be warned: figuring out these clues won't be easy! Look 
> carefully, and be patient - you may need to see a couple of the 
> stanzas before anything jumps out at you. You won't be able to 
> figure it out from the first stanza.
> 
> ...
> 
> Okay, now that you've read the rules and understand your task, 
here 
> is the first stanza:
> 
> You are looking for a magic code,
> In the "Ultimate Unofficial Guide."
> There are buried clues within this poem,
> To show the route to where the code resides. 
> Posted by Emerson on 03/09 | comments [63] | send to friend | 
submit 
> news






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 04:14:30 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:14:30 -0000
Subject: The Scholastic cover (Was: Advanced Potion Making???)
In-Reply-To: <d0kqrf+s151@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0ohj6+85qr@eGroups.com>


Dungrollin wrote: 
> > The US version shows Harry and Dumbledore looking into a pensieve,
Harry with his wand ready. The question is, whose memories are in the
pensieve? Harry's memories from Godric's Hollow? <snip>

SSS responded: 
<snip> 
> One thought I had was that Harry *is* watching the GH memory, and
the reason I think so is that the light, which appears to be emanating
from the penseive, is GREEN.  As in, AK-green.
> 
> Good question, though, about whose memories they'd be.  DD's? 
Snape's? ??
> 
> This wouldn't be pleasant for Harry to see, but wouldn't it be 
> refreshing if, FINALLY, DD allowed Harry to get some real facts?
> 
> SSSusan

Carol adds:
Absolutely, it would be great if Harry had some facts for once--and if
we readers did, too. And good observation about the sickly green of
the light (and the entire cover), SSS. The flash of green light from
an AK would explain it perfectly.

I have a problem with it being Harry's memory, though. The only people
who have removed memories so far (Snape and Dumbledore) have done so
from their own heads, and both of them were highly skilled Occlumens.
Harry certainly has not mastered enough Occlumency to remove a memory
from his own head, especially one so dim and distant that all he can
recall (with no Dementors present) is green light and a high-pitched
laugh. So how could he possibly remove it? And we've seen no evidence
so far that anyone, even a skilled Legilimens like Dumbledore, can
remove a memory from *someone else's* head.

That leaves Dumbledore and Snape. But we know that DD wasn't at
Godric's Hollow, and I don't think Snape was there, either. And even
if he was, surely he wouldn't remove the memory from his own head and
place it in a Pensieve for Dumbledore and Harry to examine when he's
not even present!

Of course, *Voldemort* was definitely present, but we don't know
whether he's an Occlumens (and thus able to remove a memory from his
own mind) or "only" a Legilimens. In any case, it's most unlikely that
he'd place a memory in a Pensieve under any circumstances (he's not
the introspective type) and, if he did, he certainly wouldn't leave it
there for someone else to find.

I'm forced to reluctantly conclude that DD is so skilled in bringing
the right memory to the surface when he's "legilimencing" that he's
able to deliberately extract that particular memory from Harry's mind
even though it's dim and unformed. I find that prospect scary. If
Legilimency can take that extreme form, it's a very dangerous skill
and a lot scarier than Voldemort!

Regardless of whose memory it is, I'm sure SSS is right that it's
Godric's Hollow. But why are they using someone else's cracked
Pensieve, and why is it balanced on a Corinthian column? I don't
recall any such furnishing in Dumbledore's office! (Maybe they're in
the Department of Mysteries?

Carol






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 04:37:16 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:37:16 -0000
Subject: Advances Potion Making???
In-Reply-To: <d0lb0b+9400@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0oits+7qa5@eGroups.com>


Entropy wrote:
> > > <snip> "Borage: As early as the 1600's, Europeans mixed borage
leaves and flowers into a wine that was renowned for relieving boredom
and dispelling melancholy."

dungrollin added:
> Try this one:
> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg
> 
> If that's an 'l' in the middle then it's Libalius Borage. Borage is 
> a herb (and it has a whole family, the Boraginaceae, named after 
> it), Libalius I'm not sure of.


Carol notes:
I think it's Libatius, as in "libation." Here's Merriam-Webster's
online definition and etymology:

Main Entry: li?ba?tion
Pronunciation: lI-'bA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin libation-, libatio, from libare to pour as an
offering; akin to Greek leibein to pour
1 a : an act of pouring a liquid as a sacrifice (as to a deity) b : a
liquid (as wine) used in a libation
2 a : an act or instance of drinking often ceremoniously b : BEVERAGE;
especially : a drink containing alcohol

I think JKR is using sense 1a, with a suggestion that Libatius brewed
and drank a little too much borage wine--or some such JKR-style joke.
Note that Potions Master Snape brewed nettle wine as part of the
riddle in SS/PS.

Carol






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 05:10:11 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:10:11 -0000
Subject: The Scholastic cover (Was: Advanced Potion Making???)
In-Reply-To: <d0ohj6+85qr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0okrj+cj4e@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> I'm forced to reluctantly conclude that DD is so skilled in 
bringing the right memory to the surface when he's "legilimencing" 
that he's able to deliberately extract that particular memory from 
Harry's mind even though it's dim and unformed. I find that prospect 
scary. If Legilimency can take that extreme form, it's a very 
dangerous skill and a lot scarier than Voldemort!
> 

Tonks now:
Legilimency sounds like a form of hypnosis to me. And DD could do 
the equivelant of a full age regression and get this information. 
This can be done under hypnosis. It can be dangerous and must be 
done correctly. I think this would be really great if DD did do 
that. After all Harry keeps having nightmares about GH off and on. 
This would stop the nightmares.

Tonks_op
Who is worried about everyone posting here instead of the main list. 
No limit here I guess. ;-) Afraid I might miss something and have to 
look 2 places. 






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 08:27:53 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:27:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Scholastic Book Cover
In-Reply-To: <d0of3f+f2vb@eGroups.com>
References: <d0kf46+4lug@eGroups.com> <d0of3f+f2vb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400503100027f9a25ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:31:59 -0000, justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bloomsbury adult cover that Harry's taking NEWT Potions, which will
> provide some great interaction with our favorite Potions Master--and

Heh, or not. {g}  *Snape* may not have passed Harry, so Dumbledore may
have assigned Harry to another instructor (Dumbledore is on two-thirds
of the covers)... or the potions position could have another professor
while Snape is working overtime as a spy.

Personally, I think all three covers have a 'defensive' overtone to
them (i.e. Harry being trained past his usual curriculum).

Dina



From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 10 13:12:42 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:12:42 -0000
Subject: HBP Bookcover and new JKR's clue Felix
In-Reply-To: <20050309174129.21405.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d0ph4a+ppbe@eGroups.com>


Kemper wrote:
>>> I read both Tonks' posts late last night.  The description that 
Borage needs bees to pollinate intrigued me a bit... could bee be 
imagery for Dumbledore?  Could Borage be a distant relative of his, 
as Dumbledore also seems to 'strengthen insect (Death Eaters) and 
disease (Dark Order manifested as LV) resistance in nearby plants 
(people not necessarily his BLOOD relation.)'  
  
Speaking of plants... I posted a while ago on the main list about 
Snape's plant imagery (SSSusan, off-list, referred to it and him as 
Saguaro!Snape which I thought was brilliant), and Dumbledore seems to 
have strengthened Snape's resistance to Death Eaters and the Dark 
Order.   

Any thoughts?<<<



SSSusan:
Hee.  I was away all day yesterday for meetings (non-paid -- boo!!) 
and just am catching up.

I noticed the *bees* part of Tonks' post, too, and wondered how to 
tie DD in to this.  Couldn't think of a thing, I'm afraid.  I still 
like the Entropy suggestion better than any other we've seen -- that 
a wine w/ borage helps fight boredom and melancholy -- as a typical 
JKR fun-with-words kind of thing.  But your idea that DD strengthens 
the insect & disease resistance of those around him is certainly 
intriguing. 

Speaking of JKR, do you all think she gets a kick out of checking in 
at various fansites and reading what all we obsessive fanatics come 
up with on stuff like this? :-)

Kemper, thanks for mentioning the Saguaro!Snape imagery -- I do like 
it.  Prickly... dry... unreachable....  The only problem is the light 
issue, since I think of cacti as spending a lot of time in the heat & 
light, whereas our Severus spends a lot of time in the dark, damp 
dungeons.  

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 10 13:31:29 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:31:29 -0000
Subject: Whose memory?  (was: The Scholastic cover)
In-Reply-To: <d0ohj6+85qr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0pi7h+pscv@eGroups.com>


Carol adds:
> Absolutely, it would be great if Harry had some facts for once--and 
> if we readers did, too. And good observation about the sickly green 
> of the light (and the entire cover), SSS. The flash of green light 
> from an AK would explain it perfectly.
> 
> I have a problem with it being Harry's memory, though. The only 
> people who have removed memories so far (Snape and Dumbledore) have 
> done so from their own heads, and both of them were highly skilled 
> Occlumens. Harry certainly has not mastered enough Occlumency to 
> remove a memory from his own head, especially one so dim and 
> distant that all he can recall (with no Dementors present) is green 
> light and a high-pitched laugh. So how could he possibly remove it? 
> And we've seen no evidence so far that anyone, even a skilled 
> Legilimens like Dumbledore, can remove a memory from *someone 
> else's* head.
> 
> That leaves Dumbledore and Snape. But we know that DD wasn't at
> Godric's Hollow, and I don't think Snape was there, either. And even
> if he was, surely he wouldn't remove the memory from his own head
> and place it in a Pensieve for Dumbledore and Harry to examine when 
> he's not even present!
> 
> I'm forced to reluctantly conclude that DD is so skilled in bringing
> the right memory to the surface when he's "legilimencing" that he's
> able to deliberately extract that particular memory from Harry's 
> mind even though it's dim and unformed. I find that prospect scary. 
> If Legilimency can take that extreme form, it's a very dangerous 
> skill and a lot scarier than Voldemort!
> 
> Regardless of whose memory it is, I'm sure SSS is right that it's
> Godric's Hollow. But why are they using someone else's cracked
> Pensieve, and why is it balanced on a Corinthian column? I don't
> recall any such furnishing in Dumbledore's office! (Maybe they're in
> the Department of Mysteries?
 

SSSusan:
I think you're asking the right questions, Carol.  *IF* I'm right 
about that being a Pensieve and about the light representing an AK 
(particularly one at GH), then WHO THE HECK'S memory is being prodded 
and watched?  Here's something I wrote over at main (125833):

>> I like this possibility, Meltowne -- that DD is either showing 
Harry how to access his own memory *or* that DD "extracted" the memory
from Harry when he was a baby and stored it himself and is now going
to show it to him. Granted, Harry still has auditory memory of the
attack, but nothing visual. Maybe DD took it out & stored it so
Harry wouldn't have to grow up replaying it??<<

I'm actually leaning towards the second option -- that DD extracted 
the memory somehow from Harry after the attack -- and that he's now 
decided it's time Harry "got" to see it.  I think it's one of 
those "Dumbledore's the most powerful wizard alive" kind of thing 
which would explain his being able to do this, rather than that it's 
standard fare for a legilimens.


Siriusly Snapey Susan, wondering if she's the only one who NEVER 
seems to be able to click on a Mugglenet link and have it show the 
item it's supposed to show. (It's only with Mugglenet -- what's up 
with that?)







From spin01 at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 15:30:52 2005
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:30:52 -0000
Subject: Whose memory?  (was: The Scholastic cover)
In-Reply-To: <d0pi7h+pscv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0pp7c+1gni@eGroups.com>


 Here's something I wrote over at main (125833):
> 
> >> I like this possibility, Meltowne -- that DD is either showing 
> Harry how to access his own memory *or* that DD "extracted" the 
memory
> from Harry when he was a baby and stored it himself and is now going
> to show it to him. Granted, Harry still has auditory memory of the
> attack, but nothing visual. Maybe DD took it out & stored it so
> Harry wouldn't have to grow up replaying it??<<

I like this idea as well.  And as for memories being changed removed 
etc.  there has been multiple mentions of "memories being modified". 
they do it to the roberts family in GOF at the quidditch cup.  and 
talk about it connected to Bertha Jawkins.  I don't think it is very 
likely that it has been done to Harry.  My question is why does 
everyone assume this pensive is Dumbledoors?  Maybe it is something 
on the 6th year booklist.  Or maybe like the invisibility cloak it 
has been given to Harry by an unknown person.  Perhaps it belonged to 
LLily or James and Harry is finally old enough to do something with 
it.  (I also wonder if the Longbottoms have had there minds messed 
with by Dumbledoor who will be fixing them up in coming books)
Sherry  who like susan is wondering if mugglenet just doesnt like me. 
I can never get to anything I look for there.






From spin01 at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 15:37:44 2005
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:37:44 -0000
Subject: Whose memory?  (was: The Scholastic cover)
In-Reply-To: <d0pp7c+1gni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0ppk8+s87l@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" 
<spin01 at a...> wrote:

I didn't actually write the quote in my post.  susan did.  I havn't 
quite got the copying thing down yet sorry.  Anyway in my post.  I 
meant to say that is very likely that Harry's memories have been 
modified or removed by dumbledoor.  It didn't come out looking like 
that in the post sorry.  
sherry







From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 10 16:14:09 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:14:09 -0000
Subject: The back of the book
Message-ID: <d0proh+ogm2@eGroups.com>


Yay!  Finally, some news to talk about.  But something is missing!  I 
have always enjoyed the back cover (Scholastic Editions); it usually 
reveals as much or more about the book as the front cover does (eg:  
OOP, the back cover had Lupin, Tonks, and Moody, presumably when they 
arrive at Privet Drive to get Harry, as well as Sirius' profile.)  So 
I love the covers we've been presented, and all the discussion that 
has come out of it, and I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I really 
would like a peek at the back cover...

imamommy






From amdorn at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 10 16:26:01 2005
From: amdorn at hotmail.com (amdorn)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:26:01 -0000
Subject: JKR's "Divide by three" comment
Message-ID: <d0psep+6j1k@eGroups.com>


I have a question for the group at large.  It seems very "off-
topic."  I was hoping someone might be able to give a bit of insight 
or theory to the meaning behind JKR's comment from her website.  In 
the Rubbish Bin section JKR talks about getting government approval 
for an addition to her home.  Which would supposedly give her a 
mansion with fifteen bedrooms.  My question pertains to her comment 
at the bottom of this page. . . . 

"Actually, it now occurs to me that 'divide-by-three' is a good rule 
to apply to a lot of 'news' stories."

This comment struck me as funny today. What news would she be talking 
about?  There have been a lot of superfluous news pieces but I don't 
recall any that deal with something that is a multiple of three or 
that could be divided by three.  Why is there special emphasis on the 
word news?  Can anyone help me with this?

Amdorn






From amdorn at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 10 16:30:11 2005
From: amdorn at hotmail.com (amdorn)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:30:11 -0000
Subject: Remus Lupin's Birthday
Message-ID: <d0psmj+gf7i@eGroups.com>


Today, March 10th is Remus Lupin's Birthday.

It is posted on JKRowling.com

Amdorn






From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Mar 10 16:55:30 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:55:30 -0000
Subject: JKR's "Divide by three" comment
In-Reply-To: <d0psep+6j1k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0pu62+2psg@eGroups.com>


> I have a question for the group at large.  It seems very "off-
> topic."  I was hoping someone might be able to give a bit of 
insight 
> or theory to the meaning behind JKR's comment from her website.  In 
> the Rubbish Bin section JKR talks about getting government approval 
> for an addition to her home.  Which would supposedly give her a 
> mansion with fifteen bedrooms.  My question pertains to her comment 
> at the bottom of this page. . . . 
> 
> "Actually, it now occurs to me that 'divide-by-three' is a good 
rule 
> to apply to a lot of 'news' stories."
> 
> This comment struck me as funny today. What news would she be 
talking 
> about?  There have been a lot of superfluous news pieces but I 
don't 
> recall any that deal with something that is a multiple of three or 
> that could be divided by three.  Why is there special emphasis on 
the 
> word news?  Can anyone help me with this?
> 
> Amdorn

I think she was telling us two things: that her so-called mansion has 
five bedrooms (15 divided by 3), and that most news, and in 
particular the rumors that circulate about HP, is so overhyped that 
it should be discounted. What she writes on her site is very much a 
friend talking to other friends, I don't think she was revealing 
anything mysterious.
Ms.Tattersall







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 17:24:34 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:24:34 -0000
Subject: Bloomsbury tells name on Potion Book Cover
Message-ID: <d0pvsi+aboh@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone. I wrote to Bloomburg and they actually answered my e-
mail. I cut and pasted their e-mail here:
-----
Many thanks for contacting us. The author's name is Libatius Borage; 
hope that clears everything up for you.

Best wishes,
Bloomsbury.com Customer Services

www.bloomsbury.com 
-----
So this should clear up all the speculation as to the name of the 
author of the potions book. 

Tonks_op
Happy Auror Detective








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 17:30:19 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:30:19 -0000
Subject: The back of the book
In-Reply-To: <d0proh+ogm2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0q07b+5297@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> 
wrote:
> OOP, the back cover had Lupin, Tonks, and Moody, presumably when 
they arrive at Privet Drive to get Harry, as well as Sirius' 
profile.)  

Tonks here:

You are right about the backcover showing more. I never really 
*look* that close. But the backcover of OOP tells all! It shows them 
not at Privet Drive. It shows them at the MoM. That is the veil that 
Sirius went through.  Ya... lets see the backcover!!

Tonks_op






From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Thu Mar 10 17:48:31 2005
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:48:31 -0000
Subject: green light question, not the cover though
Message-ID: <d0q19f+1uoi@eGroups.com>


Speculation about the greenish light on the Scholastic cover for HBP
has reminded me of a nagging question I've had for some time.  

When Harry's Gringotts vault is first opened a lot of green smoke
billows out. There is no mention of a similar effect with the vault
the Stone was in.  This seems strange to me and I've wondered if it
was significant at all, perhaps associated with the events at Godric's
Hollow.  I'm sure this has been discussed to death somewhere that I
can't locate, looked on the Lexicon and in Fantastic Posts, so I
thought it might be more appropriate to post here rather than on the
main list.  Does anyone know off-hand the whereabouts of previous
discussion? 

Thanks!
kjirstem






From lsease at innernet.net  Thu Mar 10 17:48:07 2005
From: lsease at innernet.net (simbananacat)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:48:07 -0000
Subject: Question on DSL
Message-ID: <d0q18n+fifs@eGroups.com>


I have recently gone to DSL and I do love it.   But I am having 
static and interference on the two phones in the bedrooms.  The 
phones in the kitchen and living room are fine.  Does anyone know why 
this would be and how do I fix it?  I don't know if it is effecting 
only the bedroom phones since they are closer to the den where the 
computer is,  or maybe they are just not good quality phones.  Any 
ideas?
   






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 17:59:03 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:59:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The back of the book
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050310175903.81614.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>

imamommy wrote:
OOP, the back cover had Lupin, Tonks, and Moody, presumably when they arrive at Privet Drive to get Harry, as well as Sirius' profile.)  

Tonks here:

You are right about the backcover showing more. I never really *look* that close. But the backcover of OOP tells all! It shows them not at Privet Drive. It shows them at the MoM. That is the veil that Sirius went through.  Ya... lets see the backcover!!

Kemper Now:

Tonks... Maybe you can request this from Scholastic. You worked your email magic with Bloomsbury.  Should they not reply, perhaps everyone on the list that is interested in the entire book cover (inside flaps, too) can send an email on the same day some time in the near future.  




		
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From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 17:58:08 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:58:08 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question on DSL
References: <d0q18n+fifs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008601c5259a$f5058c60$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>

Do you have the DSL filters on the bedroom phones? If not, that
is the problem. I'm going to assume that you have the filters on
the phone that have no interference. If you have the filters on the
other phones, try swapping one of the filters from the phones without interference to see if maybe you have some bad filters. Also, check
to make sure that the filter is plugged into the wall and the phone is
plugged into the filter.
Jenny

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:48 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question on DSL



  I have recently gone to DSL and I do love it.   But I am having 
  static and interference on the two phones in the bedrooms.  The 
  phones in the kitchen and living room are fine.  Does anyone know why 
  this would be and how do I fix it?  I don't know if it is effecting 
  only the bedroom phones since they are closer to the den where the 
  computer is,  or maybe they are just not good quality phones.  Any 
  ideas?
     





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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 10 18:06:42 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:06:42 -0000
Subject: Question on DSL
In-Reply-To: <d0q18n+fifs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0q2bi+700b@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "simbananacat" <lsease at i...> 
wrote:
> 
> I have recently gone to DSL and I do love it.   But I am having 
> static and interference on the two phones in the bedrooms.  The 
> phones in the kitchen and living room are fine.  Does anyone know 
why 
> this would be and how do I fix it?  I don't know if it is effecting 
> only the bedroom phones since they are closer to the den where the 
> computer is,  or maybe they are just not good quality phones.  Any 
> ideas?


Did the company you use not provide you with filters for your 
phones?  My DSL is through SBC, and they sent what look like short 
phone lines w/ a small rectangular box attached to them.  You simply 
unplug the phone line from the back of your phone [or is it from the 
wall jack?], add the filter to the line & plug it back in.

SSSusan







From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Mar 10 18:50:53 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:50:53 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question on DSL
References: <d0q18n+fifs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003001c525a2$166d03e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

As everyone else has said, filters
would be your awnser.  It's not
proximity as my phone sits directly
next to my computer with my modem
across from it...er, usually, right now
my modem's on the floor.

I've also discovered having a dedicated
DSL line works wonders (meaning they
put a filter on my line at the box...or
something I was half asleep as I
watched him do it), you might want to
see if they can do this.  It doesn't
effect your phone line (my phone works
perfectly) and cut out a static problem
I had been having.

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From pickienose1 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 15:27:22 2005
From: pickienose1 at yahoo.com (kathy phillips)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:27:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re;
Message-ID: <20050310152722.51816.qmail@web54406.mail.yahoo.com>


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From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar 10 16:32:22 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:32:22 -0000
Subject: JKR's "Divide by three" comment
In-Reply-To: <d0psep+6j1k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0psqm+mthg@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amdorn" <amdorn at h...> wrote:
> 
> I have a question for the group at large.  It seems very "off-
> topic."  I was hoping someone might be able to give a bit of 
insight 
> or theory to the meaning behind JKR's comment from her website.  
In 
> the Rubbish Bin section JKR talks about getting government 
approval 
> for an addition to her home.  Which would supposedly give her a 
> mansion with fifteen bedrooms.  My question pertains to her 
comment 
> at the bottom of this page. . . . 
> 
> "Actually, it now occurs to me that 'divide-by-three' is a good 
rule 
> to apply to a lot of 'news' stories."
> 
> This comment struck me as funny today. What news would she be 
talking 
> about?  There have been a lot of superfluous news pieces but I 
don't 
> recall any that deal with something that is a multiple of three or 
> that could be divided by three.  Why is there special emphasis on 
the 
> word news?  Can anyone help me with this?
> 
> Amdorn

Hi

What JKR was referring to was that the Press had reported that she 
was extending her home to become a 15 bedroom mansion, whereas what 
she actually ended up with was a 5 bedroom house.  Hence the divide 
by 3.  She probably also intended a slight dig about the amount of 
money they report that she earns too!  I don't think the divide by 3 
comment was anything more important than that.

Karen









From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 19:58:56 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:58:56 -0000
Subject: The back of the book
In-Reply-To: <20050310175903.81614.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d0q8u0+8kck@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> Tonks... Maybe you can request this from Scholastic. You worked 
your email magic with Bloomsbury.  > 
> 

Tonks now:

Good idea. I actually have more *in* with Scholastic. I will call 
them. ;-)

Tonks_op
opps. almost wrote my real name. ;-)






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 22:22:06 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:22:06 -0000
Subject: Bloomsbury tells name on Potion Book Cover
In-Reply-To: <d0pvsi+aboh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0qhae+f13r@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. I wrote to Bloomburg and they actually answered my e-
> mail. I cut and pasted their e-mail here:
> -----
> Many thanks for contacting us. The author's name is Libatius 
Borage; hope that clears everything up for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Bloomsbury.com Customer Services
> 
> www.bloomsbury.com 
> -----
> So this should clear up all the speculation as to the name of the 
> author of the potions book. 
> 
> Tonks_op
> Happy Auror Detective

*****\(@@)/*****

*waves at Tonks* 
Thank you soooooo much for clearing that up! I sort of thought 
Libatius was probably it when I was looking at it. They are so nice 
at Bloomsbury to have replied so quickly *waves at Bloomsbury people*

*****\(@@)/*****

Dudemom_2000 who is listening to Peter Pan on audio books (the 
original version) and is wishing she too could fly






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 22:22:55 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:22:55 -0000
Subject: JKR's "Divide by three" comment - "Rule of Three"
In-Reply-To: <d0psep+6j1k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0qhbv+n08j@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "amdorn" <amdorn at h...> wrote:
> 
> ...  In the Rubbish Bin section JKR talks about getting government 
> approval for an addition to her home.  Which would supposedly give
> her a mansion with fifteen bedrooms.  My question pertains to her 
> comment at the bottom of this page. . . . 
> 
> "Actually, it now occurs to me that 'divide-by-three' is a good rule 
> to apply to a lot of 'news' stories."
> 
> This comment struck me as funny today. What news would she be
> talking about?  ...edited...
> 
> Amdorn

bboyminn:

Well, in this case, she was specifically talking about the press's
tendency to exaggerate and overblow every detail of a story in order
to /create/ News. Her alleged 15 bedroom mansion was really a 5
bedroom house.

That said, there is a general 'Rule of Three' that applies to may
aspect of life. Most project managers are very familiar with it.

When it comes to time management, take you best guess as to how long a
project will take, then multiply by 3, and you will have a pretty
close estimate of the /actual/ time it will take.

When it comes to budgets and money management, make your best guess as
to the cost of a project, then multiply by 3, and you'll hit it pretty
close to the actual amount.

This also works in a negative direction. When you are estimating how
much money you will make on some venture, take your best guess and
divide by 3, and it will be pretty realistic. 

When the auto mechanic estimates a $100 repair, plan on $300.

When the building contactor says he will have your remodeling done in
1 week, plan on 3.

When a drive is estimated at an hour, plan on 3; 1 hour driving, 1
hour fighting traffic, and 1 hour being lost.

The 'Rule of Three' applies to anything and everything you can think of.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 22:48:21 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:48:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question on DSL
In-Reply-To: <003001c525a2$166d03e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <d0q18n+fifs@eGroups.com>
	 <003001c525a2$166d03e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a27384005031014482a35d672@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:50:53 -0800, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> see if they can do this.  It doesn't
> effect your phone line (my phone works
> perfectly) and cut out a static problem
> I had been having.

I've had Earthlink DSL for a few years (and been overcharged IMO at
$50+/month).  Nowadays, there's Verizon at $30/month (if you stick
with them for a year) and SBC Yahoo at less than $30/month in certain
US states.  I've noticed, even with the 'filters' in place, one phone
jack became 'unstable'.

Anyway, when I switched to Earthlink cable internet (ironically, it's
cheaper at $45/month), I'm now getting static on my cable TV.  Guh! 
If it's not the lousy DSL line (weather must be fairly perfect for the
internet connection), it's the cable line now making me wonder if I'm
recording shoddy material.  I had upgraded to both cable internet and
a DVR (Brighthouse's wannabe Tivo) box at the same time.  I thought
it'd be kinda cool to have ABC's 'uncut' {snort} HP:SS movie recorded
on the box (installed last Friday)... but I really think the video
quality is degraded.

Dina,
who works two suites down from a Verizon and still forgets to cancel
DSL service on her phone line



From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Thu Mar 10 23:41:36 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee Chase)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:41:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] JKR's "Divide by three" comment
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050310234137.1596.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>



amdorn <amdorn at hotmail.com> wrote:

I have a question for the group at large.  It seems very "off-
topic."  I was hoping someone might be able to give a bit of insight 
or theory to the meaning behind JKR's comment from her website.  In 
the Rubbish Bin section JKR talks about getting government approval 
for an addition to her home.  Which would supposedly give her a 
mansion with fifteen bedrooms.  My question pertains to her comment 
at the bottom of this page. . . . 

"Actually, it now occurs to me that 'divide-by-three' is a good rule 
to apply to a lot of 'news' stories."

This comment struck me as funny today. What news would she be talking 
about?  There have been a lot of superfluous news pieces but I don't 
recall any that deal with something that is a multiple of three or 
that could be divided by three.  Why is there special emphasis on the 
word news?  Can anyone help me with this?

Amdorn

Luckdragon:

I believe she was referring to the press's exageration of her income. They were saying she was wealthier than the Queen of England and JKR was very vocal about that being an exageration of the media at the time.





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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Mar 11 00:04:16 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:04:16 -0000
Subject: JKR's "Divide by three" comment - addendum
In-Reply-To: <d0psep+6j1k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0qna0+108ak@eGroups.com>


> JKR wrote:
> 
> "Actually, it now occurs to me that 'divide-by-three' is a good 
rule 
> to apply to a lot of 'news' stories."

Amdorn asked:
 
> This comment struck me as funny today. What news would she be 
talking 
> about?  There have been a lot of superfluous news pieces but I 
don't 
> recall any that deal with something that is a multiple of three or 
> that could be divided by three.  Why is there special emphasis on 
the 
> word news?  Can anyone help me with this?

I won't repeat what others have said, but just add that that's not a 
special emphasis, it's irony.  She means that the stories aren't 
news because they aren't true, or at least don't convey important 
information to the reader.

David






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Mar 11 00:06:14 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:06:14 -0000
Subject: The British (children's) book cover
Message-ID: <d0qndm+jheh@eGroups.com>


That fiery thing round Dumbledore and Harry...

Heliopath?

David






From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 11 00:20:09 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:20:09 +0100
Subject: Fluffy Bunnies
References: <d0q18n+fifs@eGroups.com> <003001c525a2$166d03e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <1a27384005031014482a35d672@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV180CD532D1F975DAF3C704B6530@phx.gbl>

Here some bunnies deserving some attention!
http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/2003allbreedbisris/BIS.html

I really couldnt resist to show this to all of you, but dude... BUNNIES!!!!!

Valy.



From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Mar 11 02:47:18 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:47:18 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The back of the book
Message-ID: <81.232e6730.2f6260b6@aol.com>

If you're looking for book covers or what's on them I have all mine.   Of 
course they're all US Hardcopies and not British.  I've never really  notice the 
backs before...I thought that was interesting considering I've read  and 
re-read the books and hung on every word on the CD's. There are some  interesting 
items on all of them. If this is what you're looking for I could try  to scan 
them.
 
Shalimar


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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri Mar 11 03:13:09 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:13:09 -0000
Subject: Fluffy Bunnies
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV180CD532D1F975DAF3C704B6530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d0r2c5+fafk@eGroups.com>


OMG! Real,live Tribbles!
MsTattersall
(Keep 'em away from your quadrotriticale!)

> Here some bunnies deserving some attention!
> http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/2003allbreedbisris/BIS.html
> 
> I really couldnt resist to show this to all of you, but dude... 
BUNNIES!!!!!
> 
> Valy.






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 11 04:10:37 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:10:37 -0000
Subject: The back of the book
In-Reply-To: <d0proh+ogm2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0r5nt+qc5u@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> 
wrote:
> 
> Yay!  Finally, some news to talk about.  But something is missing!  
I 
> have always enjoyed the back cover (Scholastic Editions); it 
usually 
> reveals as much or more about the book as the front cover does 
(eg:  
> OOP, the back cover had Lupin, Tonks, and Moody, presumably when 
they 
> arrive at Privet Drive to get Harry, as well as Sirius' profile.)  
So 
> I love the covers we've been presented, and all the discussion that 
> has come out of it, and I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I really 
> would like a peek at the back cover...
> 
> imamommy

Mugglenet has posted the following:

Looking for the synopsis on the back side of the HBP jackets?
US and UK publishers Scholastic and Bloomsbury have informed us that 
this time, they won't be releasing images of the back of the Half-
Blood Prince jackets until July 16th because they reveal important 
plot details. In 2003, pictures of the back jackets were released, so 
this is a new strategy for them. Usually the summary on the back is 
printed to encourage people to read the book without giving away the 
story. 
Posted by Emerson on 03/10 

So rats, Rats, and double RATS!!!  

imamommy






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 11 04:24:31 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:24:31 -0000
Subject: Anyone work for a newspaper?
Message-ID: <d0r6hv+f9mf@eGroups.com>


Because I've got the perfect headline for July 16:  Half Blood Prints.

Thank you.  Thank you very much.
imamommy






From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Fri Mar 11 05:08:11 2005
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:08:11 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 1829
Message-ID: <68.5148e8d5.2f6281bb@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/10/2005 10:12:47 PM Central Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
This comment struck me as funny today. What news would she be talking 
about?  There have been a lot of superfluous news pieces but I don't 
recall any that deal with something that is a multiple of three or 
that could be divided by three.  Why is there special emphasis on the 
word news?  Can anyone help me with this?

I think it was just a casual comment. Sort of like the saying "Believe 1/2 
half of what you see and none of what you hear and you might know a little of 
the truth"  But I don't think her comment was any type of "clue" towards HP in 
general nor HPB in paricular

Melissa


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From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 11 05:18:49 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:18:49 -0000
Subject: Apparition Point for Detroit
Message-ID: <d0r9np+qprj@eGroups.com>


Hey, a while ago I mentioned the idea of setting up an "Apparition 
Point" for those of us in the Detroit area to meet at a particular 
bookstore the night HBP is released, so we can meet each other and 
have some other HPFGUers to wait those interminable last hours with.  
I would like to set a place soon, so I can preorder my book (because 
I'm sick of telling people, Yeah, I'm a huge fan.  No, I haven't 
ordered the book yet).  The best locations I can come up with (based 
on people who've shown interest) are either the Barnes and Noble in 
Royal Oak, or the Borders in Dearborn.  If anyone is interested, and 
has an opinion one way or the other, please email me.

Thanks!
imamommy






From sroginson at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 11 16:18:53 2005
From: sroginson at sbcglobal.net (stephen roginson)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:18:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Apparition Point for Detroit
In-Reply-To: <d0r9np+qprj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050311161853.64222.qmail@web81506.mail.yahoo.com>

Barnes and Noble in Royal Oak, for sure.  A stones throw from my abode...


elady25 <imamommy at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Hey, a while ago I mentioned the idea of setting up an "Apparition 
Point" for those of us in the Detroit area to meet at a particular 
bookstore the night HBP is released, so we can meet each other and 
have some other HPFGUers to wait those interminable last hours with.  
I would like to set a place soon, so I can preorder my book (because 
I'm sick of telling people, Yeah, I'm a huge fan.  No, I haven't 
ordered the book yet).  The best locations I can come up with (based 
on people who've shown interest) are either the Barnes and Noble in 
Royal Oak, or the Borders in Dearborn.  If anyone is interested, and 
has an opinion one way or the other, please email me.

Thanks!
imamommy





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From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 11 14:45:21 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon straughter)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:45:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Apparition Point for Detroit
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050311144521.99239.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com>


elady25 <imamommy at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Hey, a while ago I mentioned the idea of setting up an "Apparition 
Point" for those of us in the Detroit area to meet at a particular 
bookstore the night HBP is released, so we can meet each other and 
have some other HPFGUers to wait those interminable last hours with.  
I would like to set a place soon, so I can preorder my book (because 
I'm sick of telling people, Yeah, I'm a huge fan.  No, I haven't 
ordered the book yet).  The best locations I can come up with (based 
on people who've shown interest) are either the Barnes and Noble in 
Royal Oak, or the Borders in Dearborn.  If anyone is interested, and 
has an opinion one way or the other, please email me.

Thanks!
imamommy


Borders in Dearborn is best for me, especially since I live near there & pre-ordered my book from there.
Sharon







From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 11 20:10:48 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:10:48 -0000
Subject: Apparition Point for Detroit
In-Reply-To: <20050311144521.99239.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d0su08+pvnj@eGroups.com>


Hi Sharon,

We must live close.  I grew up in Dearborn, and after spending 6 1/2 
years out of state recently bought a house down the street from my 
best HS friend's mom.  I graduated from Edsel Ford in 1996.  How 
about you?

Emily
 --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, sharon straughter 
<sharon8880 at y...> wrote:
> 
> elady25 <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> 
> Hey, a while ago I mentioned the idea of setting up an "Apparition 
> Point" for those of us in the Detroit area to meet at a particular 
> bookstore the night HBP is released, so we can meet each other and 
> have some other HPFGUers to wait those interminable last hours 
with.  
> I would like to set a place soon, so I can preorder my book 
(because 
> I'm sick of telling people, Yeah, I'm a huge fan.  No, I haven't 
> ordered the book yet).  The best locations I can come up with 
(based 
> on people who've shown interest) are either the Barnes and Noble in 
> Royal Oak, or the Borders in Dearborn.  If anyone is interested, 
and 
> has an opinion one way or the other, please email me.
> 
> Thanks!
> imamommy
> 
> 
> Borders in Dearborn is best for me, especially since I live near 
there & pre-ordered my book from there.
> Sharon






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 12 02:37:35 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:37:35 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter  and the Guld of night  by Katling. Was: Re: Fan Fiction
In-Reply-To: <28435858.1110132943997.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <d0tklf+k3kl@eGroups.com>



Sherry:
> Harry Potter and the Guild of the Night
> and its sequel
> 
> harry Potter and the Crystalline Darkenss
> 
> Again, AU.  Harry is blinded by Uncle Vernon.  Sirius does 
return.  Very interesting take on how Harry adjusts to his life 
being blind.  I am blind, and so there are a few things that I had 
to get used to and suspend belief to accept.  Sirius isn't exactly 
the main character, but once he returns, he's a big part of it.



Alla:

Oh, my. Sherry, thank you so very much for recommending this story 
and a sequel, which is still in making. I haven't read the story, 
which so closely reminds me of JKR's style for quite a long time.

If you like Harry and Sirius and Remus and Snape, I do recommend it 
very strongly. Harry is just a  right mixture of vulnerability and 
strength, Sirius is back, which I always love. Oooo and Snape, Snape 
is just as I want him to turn out. His nastiness towards Harry is 
not glossed over and he does learn that Harry is not his father  .
Moreover, he starts to get along with Harry, sort of ( NO, in the 
middle of sequel he is just as sarcastic, but definitely not nasty 
and malicious towards Harry).

Oh, and while Sirius' stupidity towards Snape is fully 
acknowledged , the author does not make him a villain because of 
that. Nope, Sirius and Snape do not become friends, but they have a 
permanent truce, because of Harry. My canon dream did come true in 
this story. :)

And of course Harry is a main character, even though in many senses 
it is an ancemble story. Many characters get a chance to play their 
parts and how Harry adjusts to his life as blind is very interesting 
indeed.

He also learns to tell people  things ( both adults and his 
friends), not to hide stuff from them, eventually. :)

Action is there too and this author writes action scenes really well.

I am babbling, I know, but I loved this story too much and I wanted 
to share.

I do not recommend this story if you absolutely cannot stomach 
Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. Although if you can at least tolerate 
those SHIPS, but not a big fan of them, I'd stil recommend it, 
because there is NOT too much romance. Ron/Hermione is pretty much 
in passing, Harry/Ginny is more visible, but still not a central 
focus of the story.

I also do not recommend the story if you passionately hate Sirius 
and Remus, because they are int he story pretty visibly as Harry's 
guardians ( Remus from the beginning and Sirius from the middle).

This story and this author definitely go on my favourites list.

Sherry, thank you and Heidi, thank you too for providing a link.


Alla










From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 12 03:15:12 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:15:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter  and the Guld of night  by
 Katling. Was: Re: Fan Fiction
Message-ID: <2511372.1110597312309.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Oh, i'm so glad you liked it!

The author is great and has several other great HP fics as well as some original stuff on her web site.  I was skeptical at first, fearing what she would do with the blindness, but I love it and am actually rereading guild of the night, because I was looking for a long fic to read with all the main characters.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: dumbledore11214 <dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Mar 11, 2005 6:37 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter  and the Guld of night  by Katling. Was: Re: Fan Fiction




Sherry:
> Harry Potter and the Guild of the Night
> and its sequel
> 
> harry Potter and the Crystalline Darkenss
> 
> Again, AU.  Harry is blinded by Uncle Vernon.  Sirius does 
return.  Very interesting take on how Harry adjusts to his life 
being blind.  I am blind, and so there are a few things that I had 
to get used to and suspend belief to accept.  Sirius isn't exactly 
the main character, but once he returns, he's a big part of it.



Alla:

Oh, my. Sherry, thank you so very much for recommending this story 
and a sequel, which is still in making. I haven't read the story, 
which so closely reminds me of JKR's style for quite a long time.

If you like Harry and Sirius and Remus and Snape, I do recommend it 
very strongly. Harry is just a  right mixture of vulnerability and 
strength, Sirius is back, which I always love. Oooo and Snape, Snape 
is just as I want him to turn out. His nastiness towards Harry is 
not glossed over and he does learn that Harry is not his father  .
Moreover, he starts to get along with Harry, sort of ( NO, in the 
middle of sequel he is just as sarcastic, but definitely not nasty 
and malicious towards Harry).

Oh, and while Sirius' stupidity towards Snape is fully 
acknowledged , the author does not make him a villain because of 
that. Nope, Sirius and Snape do not become friends, but they have a 
permanent truce, because of Harry. My canon dream did come true in 
this story. :)

And of course Harry is a main character, even though in many senses 
it is an ancemble story. Many characters get a chance to play their 
parts and how Harry adjusts to his life as blind is very interesting 
indeed.

He also learns to tell people  things ( both adults and his 
friends), not to hide stuff from them, eventually. :)

Action is there too and this author writes action scenes really well.

I am babbling, I know, but I loved this story too much and I wanted 
to share.

I do not recommend this story if you absolutely cannot stomach 
Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. Although if you can at least tolerate 
those SHIPS, but not a big fan of them, I'd stil recommend it, 
because there is NOT too much romance. Ron/Hermione is pretty much 
in passing, Harry/Ginny is more visible, but still not a central 
focus of the story.

I also do not recommend the story if you passionately hate Sirius 
and Remus, because they are int he story pretty visibly as Harry's 
guardians ( Remus from the beginning and Sirius from the middle).

This story and this author definitely go on my favourites list.

Sherry, thank you and Heidi, thank you too for providing a link.


Alla










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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 12 03:39:41 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:39:41 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter  and the Guld of night  by Katling. Was: Re: Fan Fiction
In-Reply-To: <2511372.1110597312309.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <d0to9t+tdgn@eGroups.com>



Sherry:

> Oh, i'm so glad you liked it!
> 
> The author is great and has several other great HP fics as well as 
some original stuff on her web site.  I was skeptical at first, 
fearing what she would do with the blindness, but I love it and am 
actually rereading guild of the night, because I was looking for a 
long fic to read with all the main characters.


Alla:

Yes, I loved it very much. Could you give me the link to author's 
site? I think I will enjoy all of her works. :o)

I forgot to mention the other very important reason why I loved this 
story - Draco is absolutely evil, not caricature evil , but just as 
evil as I think he will turn out to be in canon, so if you are 
looking for Draco's redemption, that is not the story for you. :o)






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 12 04:41:19 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:41:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter  and the Guld of night  by
 Katling. Was: Re: Fan Fiction
Message-ID: <30473439.1110602479558.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hi alla,

here is the link to the yahoo group of the author of guild of the night.  I hope you enjoy her other fics.  

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/KatlingGON/

I particularly like

HP and the Daemon Sidhe

as well as

the Last Wish of Sirius black

But they are all excellent.  enjoy!

Sherry



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From: dumbledore11214 <dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Mar 11, 2005 7:39 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter  and the Guld of night  by Katling. Was: Re: Fan Fiction




Sherry:

> Oh, i'm so glad you liked it!
> 
> The author is great and has several other great HP fics as well as 
some original stuff on her web site.  I was skeptical at first, 
fearing what she would do with the blindness, but I love it and am 
actually rereading guild of the night, because I was looking for a 
long fic to read with all the main characters.


Alla:

Yes, I loved it very much. Could you give me the link to author's 
site? I think I will enjoy all of her works. :o)

I forgot to mention the other very important reason why I loved this 
story - Draco is absolutely evil, not caricature evil , but just as 
evil as I think he will turn out to be in canon, so if you are 
looking for Draco's redemption, that is not the story for you. :o)






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From hpfans at mamakelsy.net  Sat Mar 12 15:42:28 2005
From: hpfans at mamakelsy.net (Kelsy)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:42:28 -0500
Subject: SSSusan's Sig (Was Whose memory?  (was: The Scholastic cover))
References: <d0pi7h+pscv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <04ad01c5271a$18f3c8f0$dd00000a@kelsy>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cubfanbudwoman" <susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net>

> Siriusly Snapey Susan, wondering if she's the only one who NEVER
> seems to be able to click on a Mugglenet link and have it show the
> item it's supposed to show. (It's only with Mugglenet -- what's up
> with that?)

Have the same problem with that sight myself, but if I try a link a few 
hours later it works. hmmmmmm wonder if it is just a traffic overload?

Kelsy
Mama to Caitlyn Oct '02 & Connor '03
Wife to Rob Feb '04
http://www.mamakelsy.net (under construction) 




From kcartweel at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 12 18:28:37 2005
From: kcartweel at yahoo.com (kcartweel)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:28:37 -0000
Subject: Countdown clock
Message-ID: <d0vccl+ffge@eGroups.com>


Anyone know where I can find a countdown thing for my live journal or
blog? I would really like to have one






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat Mar 12 21:56:02 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:56:02 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Countdown clock
Message-ID: <1b9.f341681.2f64bf72@aol.com>

Mugglenet.com
 


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From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Mar 12 22:54:59 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:54:59 -0000
Subject: Fluffy Bunnies
In-Reply-To: <d0r2c5+fafk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d0vs03+nkk1@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "MsTattersall" <cwood at t...> wrote:
> 
> OMG! Real,live Tribbles!
> MsTattersall
> (Keep 'em away from your quadrotriticale!)
> 

Yes, and they'll multiply nearly as fast as tribbles.  With all that
fur, how to they do what, er, bunnies do?

Joe




> > Here some bunnies deserving some attention!
> > http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/2003allbreedbisris/BIS.html
> > 
> > I really couldnt resist to show this to all of you, but dude... 
> BUNNIES!!!!!
> > 
> > Valy.






From meidbh at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 00:52:59 2005
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:52:59 -0000
Subject: Book covers
Message-ID: <d102tb+tcte@eGroups.com>



Apologies for chipping into this chat a little late but
could someone tell me where I can find pictures of the HBP book 
covers?

Thanks :-)

Meidbh






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 00:57:45 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:57:45 -0000
Subject: Book covers
In-Reply-To: <d102tb+tcte@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d10369+ncu2@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "meidbh" <meidbh at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Apologies for chipping into this chat a little late but
> could someone tell me where I can find pictures of the HBP book 
> covers?
> 
> Thanks :-)
> 
> Meidbh

*****\(@@)/*****

Mugglenet.com here:

American cover

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=harrypotter6_HR.jpg

British Children's cover

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpchild.jpg

Adult British Cover

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg

Hope these help!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****








From meidbh at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 01:02:30 2005
From: meidbh at yahoo.com (meidbh)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:02:30 -0000
Subject: Book covers
In-Reply-To: <d10369+ncu2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d103f6+nojv@eGroups.com>



Thank you! I love it when I've been away for a while and come back 
to find we've been offered some more juicy cluelets!

Meidbh :-)


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "meidbh" <meidbh at y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Apologies for chipping into this chat a little late but
> > could someone tell me where I can find pictures of the HBP book 
> > covers?
> > 
> > Thanks :-)
> > 
> > Meidbh
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> Mugglenet.com here:
> 
> American cover
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=harrypotter6_HR.jpg
> 
> British Children's cover
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpchild.jpg
> 
> Adult British Cover
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg
> 
> Hope these help!
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****






From heidi at heidi8.com  Sun Mar 13 01:07:18 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:07:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Countdown clock
Message-ID: <425BE87409B6BA49954C7D375C69F9ED1C92D7@ms09.mse4.exchange.ms>

We have an image-one on fictionalley at http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums about 1/2 way down the page. 

Heidi


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To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat Mar 12 13:28:37 2005
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Countdown clock



Anyone know where I can find a countdown thing for my live journal or
blog? I would really like to have one





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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 13 02:16:26 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:16:26 -0000
Subject: Language, Sex, Scabbers, Trout, and the Advanced Potions Textbook
Message-ID: <d107pq+f7k7@eGroups.com>


Barb Fulton wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26351 :

<< I'm reminded of when I was an exchange student in Denmark. There
were about 15 of us, living with families. One of the other Americans
offered to help her host-sister with her English homework. Well, the
American ended up doing the homework herself. The Danish girl failed
the assignment, and the teacher wrote a not that perhaps she get her
American housemate to help her with the next one! >>

I'm reminded of an anecdote I read somewhere, by a USAn man who said
that when he was young, his family had a Frenchwoman as houseguest for
a while, and she once did his French homework for him. To which the
teacher gave an F, which is how he discovered that native/fluent
speakers of any language don't bother with that grammar garbage that
grades are based on. 

Saitaina wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26359 :

<< There's no canon proof either way but honestly I think when he got
his body back, his sexual desire and...parts came back with it.
There's no reason why the immortality spells would knock of his bits. >>

I think his experiments in pursuit of immortality, in the years
between leaving Hogwarts and going public as Lord Voldemort, included
changing his body into that snake-man body. That's why Dumbledore said
he had changed so much that few folk recognized that Lord Voldemort
used to be Tom Riddle, but in GoF the Death Eaters recognized him when
he re-emerged as snake-man. I think his experiments in pursuit of
immortality included bits of Ancient Magic. I think Ancient Magic is a
highly mythic and highly expensive as well as highly powerful form of
magic: our best example is that Lily used it to put a very powerful
protection on baby Harry, but the price was her own life -- I call
that an expensive price. 

I think an Ancient Magic immortality spell would likely be based on
the idea of getting rid of mortality by going back to the mythic time
before Death appeared. Before there was death, there was no need (in
fact, no room) for procreation -- and, alas, procreation is the reason
that sexual organs evolved (despite all the better uses of sex that
came along later). There are many stories detailing a trade-off
between endless life (or people who die come back to life the next
day) versus sex and babies and family relationships. (Even the story
of Adam and Eve, altho' they didn't have sex organs appear on their
previously Barbie-like crotches when they tasted the apple or when
they went out of the Garden, as happens in some other cultures'
stories.) Therefore, it makes sense that an Ancient Magic immortality
spell's price would be giving up sex, sexual organs, and sexual desire.

Sandra wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26366 :

<< I wrote saying how thoroughly creepy I found it that Ron and the
other Weasleys were deceived into giving so much affection and
physical attention (hugs and stroking etc) to a rat that was in fact a
vile, unhinged man in disguise. If I was Ron I wouldn't stop washing
myself for at least a month! >>

In OoP, it seems that Molly is still in denial about it: when offering
Ron a reward for having been chosen prefect, she offered him a rat,
saying something like: "You always were fond of Scabbers".

For your other question, about how to cook trout, newspapers used to
publish a recipe about wrapping it in tinfoil with butter and garlic
and putting the tinfoil package into the dishwasher and running it
through one cycle (no soap) on High.

Sam wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26369 :

<< Looks like a very old and battered book on advanced potion making
to me. I wondered if it was a Weasley possession. Maybe Ron made it
into NEWT potions. >>

Maybe Ron made it into NEWT Potions and Harry didn't, giving Harry a
chance for another fit of jealousy of Ron. Whether the old book is a
Weasley family hand-me-down or Ron bought it from a used book store
(because his finances are still tight), there could be notes written
in it by a previous owner that are a Useful Clue.

<< Could a Weasley be the half-blood prince? They are a pure-blood
family, but could they have polluted a ROYAL wizarding bloodline at
some point? >>

There used to be a theory that the Weasleys WERE a wizarding royal
bloodline at some point, because 'Arthur' is the name of King Arthur,
'Ginevra' is the name of Queen Gwenevere, and some say that 'Ron' was
the name of King Arthur's spear. I was never persuaded by arguments
that the other kids' names (Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred, George) fit
into that pattern.

Siriusly Snapey Susan wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26378 :

<< I can't quite make out the author's name. Last name seems to start
out "Bor," kind of like Borgin, but the 4th letter doesn't look like
a "g," really. >>

And Khepera replied in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26383 with a
link to a Much Bigger and More Legible image:

<< Try this one:
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg
If that's an 'l' in the middle then it's Libalius Borage. Borage is
a herb (and it has a whole family, the Boraginaceae, named after
it), Libalius I'm not sure of. >> 

Maybe the families of Borage and Borgin and Borgia and Boring (my
impression of the name on the smaller pic of that book) are all from a
common ancestor but the names got changed over the generations by
sloppy pronunciation by illiterates or by sloppy writing on official
forms by literates.

Lillian wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26399 :

<< According to some, Borage was the famous Nepenthe of Homer, which
when drunk steeped in wine, brought absolute forgetfulness. >>

IIRC, nepenthe is bhang, an East Indian compound of marijuana and
other stuff.






From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 04:15:30 2005
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 04:15:30 -0000
Subject: For Sale: 1989 Nissan Sentra in Lutz...
Message-ID: <d10ep2+ddgg@eGroups.com>


I have a 89' Nissian Sentra that I am selling because I am pregnant
and I cant afford insurance anymore since I am not working. The car is
2 doors, light blue but needs painting because its a little bit rusty,
and the only thing wrong with it, it needs a new brake fluid cylendar
or something because it keeps losing brake fluid.
I am trying to sell it for $800 to $500.
If you are interested please email me and I will give you my phone
number and my address. I live on Van Dyke and Dale Mabry.

Tasha
27 weeks pregnant






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 13 05:02:33 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 13 Mar 2005 05:02:33 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1110690153.21.23792.m6@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 13, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

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Start time:
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From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 09:36:52 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:36:52 -0000
Subject: Language, Sex, Scabbers, Trout, and the Advanced Potions Textbook
In-Reply-To: <d107pq+f7k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d111jk+k757@eGroups.com>


"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote:

<< Could a Weasley be the half-blood prince? They are a pure-blood
family, but could they have polluted a ROYAL wizarding bloodline at
some point? >>

>There used to be a theory that the Weasleys WERE a wizarding royal
>bloodline at some point, because 'Arthur' is the name of King 
Arthur,
>'Ginevra' is the name of Queen Gwenevere, and some say that 'Ron' 
was
>the name of King Arthur's spear. I was never persuaded by arguments
>that the other kids' names (Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred, George) fit
>into that pattern.

It's funny you should say that as something has been bothering me 
since yesterday when I was reminded by a post on the main HPFGU 
message site about Molly telling the girls about a love potion she 
once made.  It gave me the following idea:

What if Arthur left Molly when the children were small (so they 
don't remember ? and they've never been told since).  He had an 
affair with a muggle who became pregnant (after all he is fascinated 
by muggles).  Molly made a love potion and won him back.  For 
whatever reason, Arthur and Molly took in the child of Arthur and 
the muggle woman and raised him as their own child:  Ron ? the half 
blood prince.  It was the prince part I couldn't fathom, but you've 
just handed it to me!!

BTW with the other kids' names, William, Charles and George are very 
common names for Princes (and Kings) of England and I'm sure there 
was a Sir Percival at the Round Table.  I'm also sure that Frederick 
is a common name for German royalty.

Anyway, it's probably rubbish, but it's fun thinking about it!!

Karen







From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 09:57:24 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:57:24 -0000
Subject: Favourite Book Covers.
Message-ID: <d112q4+7pql@eGroups.com>


I don't know if this topic has been covered yet, but what's everyone's favourite 
book cover designs? I love the mysterious, exotic and enticing kind, with a 
hint of sensuality (if I'm being choosy). I just bought a poster version of The 
Odessa Stone and have it in the den (my sanctuary in the house!) next to The 
Time Travellers Wife. Or maybe I just need better wallpaper? LOL.
Can we post images up here? That would really help us all to know what on 
earth we're talking about.

Sandra (fiddling with a blob of Blue Tac... and it's very relaxing!)






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 13 16:02:10 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 13 Mar 2005 16:02:10 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1110729730.16.10845.m27@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 13, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From christyj2323 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 18:24:05 2005
From: christyj2323 at yahoo.com (Christy)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:24:05 -0000
Subject: Special Edition HBP?
Message-ID: <d120g5+4c6k@eGroups.com>


Does anybody know anything about a special edition of HBP that's
supposed to include special illustrations? I've heard this rumor from
a couple of people, but I can't find any confirmation on any site
about it. If there is an edition planned is it supposed to be released
on the same day as the actual book?

Thanks for any help!
(Long time lurker)
Christy
:)






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sun Mar 13 19:30:22 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:30:22 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Special Edition HBP?
Message-ID: <81.235d20db.2f65eece@aol.com>

I ordered my copy of the Special Edition HBP from Barnes and Noble after I  
ordered the regular editions from Amazon. You might check their website.
 
Shalimar07


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 19:30:20 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:30:20 -0000
Subject: Special Edition HBP?
In-Reply-To: <d120g5+4c6k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d124cc+lgkq@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christy" 
<christyj2323 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know anything about a special edition of HBP that's
> supposed to include special illustrations? I've heard this rumor 
from
> a couple of people, but I can't find any confirmation on any site
> about it. If there is an edition planned is it supposed to be 
released
> on the same day as the actual book?
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> (Long time lurker)
> Christy
> :)

*****\(@@)/*****

This is what Amazon is showing:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0439791324.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I don't know if that is going to be the actual cover or not. I went 
to the Scholastic site but couldn't find a special edition listed.

Hope this helps....

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sun Mar 13 19:39:08 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:39:08 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Special Edition HBP?
Message-ID: <d2.248f98f8.2f65f0dc@aol.com>

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 21:09:21 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:09:21 -0000
Subject: British Children's Cover - A closer look
Message-ID: <d12a61+u83n@eGroups.com>


*****\(@@)/*****

First of all here is the link for everyone's convenience:

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpchild.jpg

I took a close look at the cover after I was told that there was 
some talk of a "face" being seen in the lower right corner in the 
flames. I really didn't see that but what I DID see was in Harry's 
glasses. Take a close look. 

In the right lens you can see a figure that is tall and possibly is 
holding a wand. In the left lens is possibly where the flames are 
coming from the person's wand and coming towards Harry and 
Dumbledore. Makes me wonder what the significance of this will all 
be....Obviously some battle involving Harry, Dumbledore and Who????

just my two knuts

Dudemom_2000 

*****\(@@)/*****






From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 13 21:36:18 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:36:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Children's Cover - A closer look
References: <d12a61+u83n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV542517219D0B5F05EA95BB6550@phx.gbl>


Yep, there's definetly a holding wand like reflection in Harry's glasses.
But look at very well.
It seems there's two persons, one in each of Harry's glasses, one is left-handed, one another right handed.
Look very well, it seems like two persons holding wands.

Nice observation you offered us! =D

Valy.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dudemom_2000 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:09 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Children's Cover - A closer look



  *****\(@@)/*****

  First of all here is the link for everyone's convenience:

  http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpchild.jpg

  I took a close look at the cover after I was told that there was 
  some talk of a "face" being seen in the lower right corner in the 
  flames. I really didn't see that but what I DID see was in Harry's 
  glasses. Take a close look. 

  In the right lens you can see a figure that is tall and possibly is 
  holding a wand. In the left lens is possibly where the flames are 
  coming from the person's wand and coming towards Harry and 
  Dumbledore. Makes me wonder what the significance of this will all 
  be....Obviously some battle involving Harry, Dumbledore and Who????

  just my two knuts

  Dudemom_2000 

  *****\(@@)/*****





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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Mar 13 22:21:58 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:21:58 -0000
Subject: British Children's Cover - A closer look
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV542517219D0B5F05EA95BB6550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d12ee6+tk0i@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Valy" <valy1x2 at h...> wrote:
> 
> Yep, there's definetly a holding wand like reflection in Harry's
glasses.
> But look at very well.
> It seems there's two persons, one in each of Harry's glasses, one is
left-handed, one another right handed.
> Look very well, it seems like two persons holding wands.

Hehe, reminds me of those inkblot tests... Rorschack?  Identify the
light shape in Harry's glasses.  What actually keeps drawing my eye is
how the wands look more 'natural' (i.e. they're crooked).

Maybe it's because I'm just in one of those
mellow-bordering-on-comatose states, I'm looking at the oddest things
like how Dumbledore has a straight nose... but the wand is crooked.

Dina








From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 22:25:31 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:25:31 -0000
Subject: British Children's Cover - A closer look
In-Reply-To: <d12a61+u83n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d12ekr+ojc7@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000" 
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> First of all here is the link for everyone's convenience:
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpchild.jpg
> 
> I took a close look at the cover after I was told that there was 
> some talk of a "face" being seen in the lower right corner in the 
> flames. I really didn't see that but what I DID see was in Harry's 
> glasses. Take a close look. 
> 
> In the right lens you can see a figure that is tall and possibly 
is holding a wand. In the left lens is possibly where the flames are 
> coming from the person's wand and coming towards Harry and 
> Dumbledore. Makes me wonder what the significance of this will all 
> be....Obviously some battle involving Harry, Dumbledore and Who????
> 
> just my two knuts
> 
> Dudemom_2000 
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****

And another item of note...Notice how Dumbledore's wand is lit and 
Harry's isn't?

Dudemom_20000

*****\(@@)/*****






From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 13 22:24:40 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:24:40 +0100
Subject: Just a question
References: <d12ee6+tk0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV16CFE97A5D3960C1092124B6550@phx.gbl>

Can we post spoilers heavy theories there?

Because I have an interessing (or completely wacko) one about who the heck is the HBP.

Thanks! =P

Valy.

PS: Is anyone having good remedies against sore necks after a crappy night of sleep?

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 13 22:27:41 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:27:41 -0000
Subject: Just a question
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV16CFE97A5D3960C1092124B6550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d12eot+b65q@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Valy" <valy1x2 at h...> wrote:
> Can we post spoilers heavy theories there?
> 
> Because I have an interessing (or completely wacko) one about who 
the heck is the HBP.
> 
> Thanks! =P
> 
> Valy.
> 
> PS: Is anyone having good remedies against sore necks after a 
crappy night of sleep?
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

Heat pad.

Go ahead with the theory - we are all ears!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 13 22:39:24 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:39:24 +0100
Subject: Is Snape the HBP? Part 1: Snape's childhood.
References: <d12eot+b65q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV18F79A9C34532073BD59A5B6550@phx.gbl>

Well!
Since I'm not exactly sure that kind of theory is allowed in the HPFGU ML,
I'll post it there. =P

Well, due to the recent events, so... here.

Is Snape the Half-Blood Prince?
I'll cut it into several parts.
Heavy spoilers, dont want to be spoiled? Dont read.
Otherwise, ENJOY!



I know I may be totally wrong with this theory, by knowing JKR's abilities
to play with our nerves and tickle our brains, and I will pass for a total
dummie, but well... I have my opinion set on this character hiding under his
black robes (greyish underwears, a Death Eather tattoo) a "Prince".

And please excuse my unperfect english. :)

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Well.

Part 1: Snape's childhood.

By beginning, we know he's born as a capricorn. He is born the 9 january
1959 or 60.
Trelawny mentions in GoF that Harry may be born under the evil influence of
Saturn, dark hair, mean stature, LOOSING RELATIVES TO A YOUNG AGE, and asks
him if he is born into mid-winter, which he disagree with. Harry is a Leo,
he's born in summer.
Snape is born in mid-winter and is a capricorn, which the leading planet is
Saturn. He does have dark hair, a mean stature, and MAY have lost people at
a young age. (Memories of the little boy crying in a corner while having his
parents arguing. Mother-cowering Vs abusive father, anyone?)

Is it a subtle way to tell us Snape is the HBP? Or because Snape is actually
on Voldemort's side?
Trelawny may tend to make minor predictions which may become a major things.
*winks*

And let's not forget:

Voldemort: Half-Blood, lost his mother as a baby, unhappy childhood
(orphanage), was dark haired, a Slytherin, is famous.

Harry: Half-Blood, lost his parents as a baby, unhappy childhood (Dursleys),
is dark-haired, almost been sorted in Slytherin, but he refused, is famous.

Snape: Half-Blood (?), lost his parents to a young age (?), unhappy
childhood (obviously), is dark-haired, been sorted into Slytherin, may be
famous if he's the HBP, since the HBP is maybe a famous 'legend', but the
person may be keepen in secret? (The secret between Dumbledore and him?)

Lots troubling coincidences, dont you think?

By assuming the two adults in his childhood memories are his parents, maybe
his father (muggle? Or pure blood wizard?) may have abused and maybe killed
his mother (Witch? PURE BLOOD witch? Or muggle-born witch?).
And thus would maybe explain his entering in the DeathEaters, because his
muggle(born?) father have killed his beloved witch mother.

Or maybe his Pure-Blood father killed his (new-discovered?)
muggle/muggleborn mother, and told Severus that she was a coward, weak,
stupid, bad woman because she was a muggle(born)? And Severus, being a kid,
believed him, because we all know how children may sometimes be influenced
by their parents. Maybe he did follow his father's thoughts to remain with
him, not to be alone.

Complicated, I know.

And let's not forget he was not on the Black family tree, otherwise Harry
would have noticed it as quickly he has noticed the Malfoys.
Maybe one of his parent's name have been removed from it? Since there was
mention of several others "holes" on it.

End of the part 1.

Next part to come: Teenager Snape and home, Hogwarts, the Marauders, and
Lily Evans/Potter.



From christyj2323 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 02:00:42 2005
From: christyj2323 at yahoo.com (Christy)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:00:42 -0000
Subject: Special Edition HBP?
In-Reply-To: <d124cc+lgkq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d12r8a+h1kl@eGroups.com>


Thank you both!
:)
Christy

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000"
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christy" 
> <christyj2323 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Does anybody know anything about a special edition of HBP that's
> > supposed to include special illustrations? I've heard this rumor 
> from
> > a couple of people, but I can't find any confirmation on any site
> > about it. If there is an edition planned is it supposed to be 
> released
> > on the same day as the actual book?
> > 
> > Thanks for any help!
> > (Long time lurker)
> > Christy
> > :)
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****
> 
> This is what Amazon is showing:
> 
> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0439791324.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
> 
> I don't know if that is going to be the actual cover or not. I went 
> to the Scholastic site but couldn't find a special edition listed.
> 
> Hope this helps....
> 
> Dudemom_2000
> 
> *****\(@@)/*****






From joseph at kirtland.com  Mon Mar 14 02:36:22 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:36:22 -0000
Subject: Is Snape the HBP? Part 1: Snape's childhood.
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV18F79A9C34532073BD59A5B6550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d12tb6+ncdl@eGroups.com>


Wow!  I've read all five books at least four times, and English is my
native language!  I see now that I have never truly *read* the books,
at least not to the point of retaining all the information you presented!

Thank you, Valy for your theory!  Very interesting, and troubling! 
I'll now have to reread the books again for the fifth time.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Valy" <valy1x2 at h...> wrote:
> Well!
> Since I'm not exactly sure that kind of theory is allowed in the
HPFGU ML,
> I'll post it there. =P
> 
> Well, due to the recent events, so... here.
> 
> Is Snape the Half-Blood Prince?
> I'll cut it into several parts.
> Heavy spoilers, dont want to be spoiled? Dont read.
> Otherwise, ENJOY!
> 







From valy1x2 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 14 02:39:12 2005
From: valy1x2 at hotmail.com (Valy)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:39:12 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Snape the HBP? Part 1: Snape's childhood.
References: <d12tb6+ncdl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV9A985D404F362F0FBBCC5B6560@phx.gbl>

Oh thank you!

I did read the books in french (my native language), and well... being a general person enjoying to reading between the lines of any thing bugging me, this came in head.
Snape is my favourite character, but that's not because of this I think he's the HBP. (Despite it increase the fan-fun thing)

But there's more to come about this theory, I'm currently writing the second part, about his years to Hogwarts and his teenage years, + a bonus about his appearance.

Thanks again!

Valy.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Bento 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:36 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Snape the HBP? Part 1: Snape's childhood.



  Wow!  I've read all five books at least four times, and English is my
  native language!  I see now that I have never truly *read* the books,
  at least not to the point of retaining all the information you presented!

  Thank you, Valy for your theory!  Very interesting, and troubling! 
  I'll now have to reread the books again for the fifth time.

  Joe





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From timregan at microsoft.com  Mon Mar 14 10:10:54 2005
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:10:54 -0000
Subject: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
Message-ID: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB0160A031@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

 

I was chatting with an old friend at the weekend. He's a head-teacher
but still teaches an English class. We've been arguing about the
creative merits of fan-fiction (I was defending it, though I don't get
time to read any). One thing I mentioned was slash: erotic fanfiction
based on the homosexual pairing of characters. Slash fiction is called
slash fiction because of the oblique stroke written between the
character's names, e.g. Sirius/James. Wouldn't it have been better if
the various communities involved had picked up the English name for '/'
rather than the American? Somehow if it was called "oblique stroke
fiction" it would conjure up far more sympathetic connotations than
"slash fiction", which sounds like something from a horror movie.

 

Cheers,

 

Dumbledad.



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From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 12:36:23 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:36:23 -0000
Subject: Just a question
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV16CFE97A5D3960C1092124B6550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d140g7+rdg7@eGroups.com>


> "Valy" <valy1x2 at h...> wrote:
> Can we post spoilers heavy theories there?
> 
> Because I have an interessing (or completely wacko) one about who
the > heck is the HBP.
> 
> Thanks! =P
>

Valky:
Go right ahead, the more spoiler worthy the better IMO. :D



 
> Valy.
> 
> PS: Is anyone having good remedies against sore necks after a crappy
night of sleep?
>

Valky:

There are some very good yoga stretches, try a neck to hip spinal
stretch. Bend at the hips and let your arms hang for a second then
roll up slowly. 

The real trick to it all is to breathe through the stretch. The main
reason stretching isn't working generally in our modern society is the
tendency to breath hold while doing it. Breathe in and out because
your muscles need oxygen to repair themselves with when they are sore.

:D

Valky







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 14 13:20:42 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:20:42 -0000
Subject: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB0160A031@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <d1433a+a0ji@eGroups.com>


"Tim Regan" wrote:

> I was chatting with an old friend at the weekend. He's a head-
teacher
> but still teaches an English class. We've been arguing about the
> creative merits of fan-fiction (I was defending it, though I don't 
get
> time to read any). One thing I mentioned was slash: erotic 
fanfiction
> based on the homosexual pairing of characters. Slash fiction is 
called
> slash fiction because of the oblique stroke written between the
> character's names, e.g. Sirius/James. Wouldn't it have been better 
if
> the various communities involved had picked up the English name 
for '/'
> rather than the American? Somehow if it was called "oblique stroke
> fiction" it would conjure up far more sympathetic connotations than
> "slash fiction", which sounds like something from a horror movie.
>
> Cheers,
> Dumbledad.


You know, Dumbledad, I confess I did not know that this was the 
origin of the term.  

I have to agree with you.  "Slash" does sound like "Friday the 13th, 
Part LXXIV" or "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."  I'd never heard the 
term "oblique stroke," which does seem a little awkward put 
into "oblique stroke fiction," but at *least* it would've been nice 
if the full American term of "forward slash" had been used instead of 
just "slash."  Forward implying forward-thinking, of course. ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan









From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Mar 14 14:59:00 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:59:00 -0000
Subject: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB0160A031@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <d148rk+ehtk@eGroups.com>


Tim Regan wrote:

> Wouldn't it have been better if
> the various communities involved had picked up the English name 
for '/'
> rather than the American? Somehow if it was called "oblique stroke
> fiction" it would conjure up far more sympathetic connotations than
> "slash fiction", which sounds like something from a horror movie.

This whole topic has a "don't go there feel" about it.

"Do you prefer to slash forward or back?"

"I can slash both ways as long as there's plenty of oblique 
stroking."

etc.

David, who thinks it should be called "divide by" fiction...






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 15:01:21 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:01:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050314150121.81742.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com>

 


"Tim Regan" wrote:

> I was chatting with an old friend at the weekend. He's a head-teacher but still teaches an English class. We've been arguing about the creative merits of fan-fiction (I was defending it, though I don't get time to read any). One thing I mentioned was slash: erotic fanfiction based on the homosexual pairing of characters. Slash fiction is called slash fiction because of the oblique stroke written between the character's names, e.g. Sirius/James. Wouldn't it have been better if the various communities involved had picked up the English name for '/' rather than the American? Somehow if it was called "oblique stroke fiction" it would conjure up far more sympathetic connotations than "slash fiction", which sounds like something from a horror movie.


SSS confessed:
You know, Dumbledad, I confess I did not know that this was the origin of the term.  

I have to agree with you.  "Slash" does sound like "Friday the 13th, Part LXXIV" or "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."  I'd never heard the term "oblique stroke," which does seem a little awkward put into "oblique stroke fiction," but at *least* it would've been nice if the full American term of "forward slash" had been used instead of just "slash."  Forward implying forward-thinking, of course. ;-)


Kemper adds:

When asking my Godfather for directions like "should take a right or go straight?"  He would reply, "Always forward, never straight."  He was a gay man.


		
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From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 15:02:47 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon straughter)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:02:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Apparition Point for Detroit
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050314150247.60259.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Emily,
No, I didn't attend Edsel Ford, but I live really close to it.  I live on Hollywood near Snow.  How about you?
Sharon

elady25 <imamommy at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Hi Sharon,

We must live close.  I grew up in Dearborn, and after spending 6 1/2 
years out of state recently bought a house down the street from my 
best HS friend's mom.  I graduated from Edsel Ford in 1996.  How 
about you?

Emily
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, sharon straughter 
<sharon8880 at y...> wrote:
> 
> elady25 <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> 
> Hey, a while ago I mentioned the idea of setting up an "Apparition 
> Point" for those of us in the Detroit area to meet at a particular 
> bookstore the night HBP is released, so we can meet each other and 
> have some other HPFGUers to wait those interminable last hours 
with.  
> I would like to set a place soon, so I can preorder my book 
(because 
> I'm sick of telling people, Yeah, I'm a huge fan.  No, I haven't 
> ordered the book yet).  The best locations I can come up with 
(based 
> on people who've shown interest) are either the Barnes and Noble in 
> Royal Oak, or the Borders in Dearborn.  If anyone is interested, 
and 
> has an opinion one way or the other, please email me.
> 
> Thanks!
> imamommy
> 
> 
> Borders in Dearborn is best for me, especially since I live near 
there & pre-ordered my book from there.
> Sharon





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From lsease at innernet.net  Mon Mar 14 17:45:43 2005
From: lsease at innernet.net (simbananacat)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:45:43 -0000
Subject: Thanks to everyone who responded on DSL
Message-ID: <d14ik7+q772@eGroups.com>


  Thanks everyone who responded to my DSL question!  I do have a 
filter on the DSL line, but no filters on any of the phones.   I will 
try putting filters on the phones with the static.  

Thanks






From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Mon Mar 14 18:53:24 2005
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:53:24 -0000
Subject: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <20050314150121.81742.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d14mj4+pnhq@eGroups.com>


 
> Kemper adds:
> 
> When asking my Godfather for directions like "should take a right 
or go straight?"  He would reply, "Always forward, never straight."  
He was a gay man.

Guys who have been to jail will use that phrase also because they 
aren't on the "straight and narrow".

The problem with calling "slash" and oblique stroke is ease of use. 
It's much quicker to say I read Snupin Slash than saying I read 
Snupin Oblique Stroke, or ask if someone is an Oblique Stroke fan. 
Slash just says it all. Although I've learned to put fanfic in the 
google bar when looking for slash stories. Guns & Roses, or Friday 
The 13th Movies aren't my thing, even though Wes Craven is gay.

Casey






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 20:09:01 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:09:01 -0000
Subject: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB0160A031@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <d14r0t+d9r8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" <timregan at m...> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> I was chatting with an old friend at the weekend. ... We've been 
> arguing about the creative merits of fan-fiction .... One thing I 
> mentioned was slash: erotic fanfiction based on the homosexual 
> pairing of characters. Slash fiction is called slash fiction because
>  of the oblique stroke written between the character's names, e.g. 
> Sirius/James. Wouldn't it have been better ... if it was called 
> "oblique stroke fiction" ...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dumbledad.


bboyminn:

Another way of referring to Slash is 'Lemon' or 'Lemony'. This is most
often used as a classification by Japanese Anime/Manga fan fiction
writer to  give advance notice to potential readers that the story
contain same sex pairings. I'm not an authority in this area, but I
know other /fruit/ designation are used. Like 'orange', for example,
as well as others, but I'm not sure what 'Orange' designates.

I also know that 'Yaoi' is often used to designate what we call Slash.

The Lemon/Lime/Orange designation are also used by others to indicate
the level of graphic sex in a story. Lemon being the most graphic.

Give a whole new meaning to 'Lemony Snicket'.

Here are a couple links for anyone seeking an overview of Fan Fiction,
and it's place in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_Fiction

http://www.answers.com/topic/fan-fiction

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn








From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 21:01:20 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:01:20 -0000
Subject: British Children's Cover - A closer look
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-DAV542517219D0B5F05EA95BB6550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d14u30+jgrc@eGroups.com>


Dudemom:
In the right lens you can see a figure that is tall and possibly is
holding a wand. In the left lens is possibly where the flames are
coming from the person's wand and coming towards Harry and
Dumbledore. Makes me wonder what the significance of this will all
be....Obviously some battle involving Harry, Dumbledore and Who????

Valky:
Wow! Impressive observation Dudemom! 
I think you're right, there is a battle reflected in Harry's glasses,
but the shapes don't look entirely like the reflection of live people
to me.

Valy:
Yep, there's definetly a holding wand like reflection in Harry's glasses.
But look at very well.
It seems there's two persons, one in each of Harry's glasses, one is
left-handed, one another right handed.
Look very well, it seems like two persons holding wands.

Valky:
Yes, I think that Harry is observing a battle between two other
people. Godric and Salazar? His father and Voldemort? Snape and his
father? that would be my list of suspects.








From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Mar 14 23:13:56 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:13:56 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
References: <d14r0t+d9r8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011301c528eb$7fb633c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

I vote we just call it fiction and be
done with it.  I'm tired of being a
separate category.   Let us be defined
for content (romance, drama, sap,
whatever), not because we decide to
explore relationships between two of
the same sex instead of opposite
genders.

But that's just a personal pet peeve.
:o)

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Mar 14 23:15:09 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:15:09 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Thanks to everyone who responded on DSL
References: <d14ik7+q772@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012101c528eb$ab1605e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

<I do have a
filter on the DSL line, but no filters
on any of the phones.  >

That should work as that's one of the
problems I had exactly, filter on the
line but not on a phone.

I worship my DSL now so I hope you
enjoy yours. :o)

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 23:48:23 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:48:23 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Children's Cover - A closer look
Message-ID: <87.236062f5.2f677cc7@aol.com>

Could they possible be doing battle with.....Cornelius Fudge? The picture  is 
full of flames (Heliopaths anyone?) and everyone keeps saying they see a  
figure with a wand in Harry's glasses. As strange and bizarre as it sounds let's  
assume that 'Loony' Lovegood knows what she's talking about in Chapter 16, 
OOTP,  "In the Hog's Head" when she says Fudge has his own army of Heliopaths. 
Could  that be what this picture is all about?
 
Shalimar


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 01:26:51 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:26:51 -0000
Subject: DSL thanks and Re: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <011301c528eb$7fb633c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d15dkr+24t9@eGroups.com>


Combining replies to Saitaina from "Re: Thanks to everyone who
responded on DSL" and "Re: The oblique stroke: renaming slash"

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
 
> I worship my DSL now so I hope you
> enjoy yours. :o)

Gah, do you remember back in the early 1990s when the 28.8 modem was
the typical *speed* of home internet?  My first internet service was
AOL when it charged by the hour--after giving a pitiful base amount of
hours (there wasn't much options for AOL then).  So, 28.8 modem +
hourly service = $100+ internet bill per month.  Plus, I paid for a
separate phone line on top of that.  Memories. {shudder}


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> I vote we just call it fiction and be
> done with it.  I'm tired of being a
> separate category.   Let us be defined

I like the separate category because I'm not much of a het-shipper. 
Granted, I've had my het flings in Star Trek, Babylon 5, and X-Men,
but my preferences are slash and separating them out does make
browsing easier... I suspect we're talking on two different 'channels'
here. {g}  Oh yeah, I had a brief fling with Hermione/Snape because
even greasy gits need to get laid... *especially* greasy gits need to
get laid.  Heh, Snape orgies.

Dina








From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Mar 15 01:30:09 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:30:09 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The oblique stroke: renaming slash
References: <d15dkr+24t9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <019501c528fe$871483c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote

<I like the separate category because
I'm not much of a het-shipper.>

Neither am I, but until het has to be
labeled, I refuse to have my works
labeled.  You will not know how many
times I've clicked on what I thought
was a Gen story and found het.  (sounds
familiar, doesn't it....)

I just don't find it fair, considering
for most slash stories you can figure
out that it's slash.  I mean, I don't
think a subject containing "Draco and
Harry meet years after Hogwarts and
fall in love" would lead people to
think it's something else...

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 03:19:26 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:19:26 -0000
Subject: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <019501c528fe$871483c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d15k7u+guo8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:

> labeled.  You will not know how many
> times I've clicked on what I thought
> was a Gen story and found het.  (sounds
> familiar, doesn't it....)

Err, no.  Joking. ;-)  Seriously, I tend to only read smut, which has
its ups and downs (no pun intended).  Unfortunately, I'm probably
shortchanging very good fanfic.  For me, it takes an interesting
summary, which a number of writers either can't or won't do (worry of
spoilers), to "jump 'ship". 


> I just don't find it fair, considering
> for most slash stories you can figure
> out that it's slash.  I mean, I don't
> think a subject containing "Draco and
> Harry meet years after Hogwarts and
> fall in love" would lead people to
> think it's something else...

You'd be surprised... or not because you've seen your share of fanfic.
{g}  Although, based on your wording and seeing some headache-inducing
legal jargon, you've left the option of Harry and Draco meeting up
again and falling in love with *different individuals* because the
summary didn't specify "fall in love *with each other*" or something
along that line.

Then again, this is also fandom where folks debated over 'to hyphen or
not to hyphen' the HBP. {g}  Sometimes, differing opinions can be
interesting as long as you keep things civil.

Dina








From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Mar 15 03:18:26 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:18:26 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
References: <d15k7u+guo8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01ef01c5290d$a782ad80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<Then again, this is also fandom where
folks debated over 'to hyphen or
not to hyphen' the HBP.>

There are days I fear us.  And yes I
include myself in this so no offense
meant.

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 18:19:46 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:19:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching Supersize Me
In-Reply-To: <003d01c5239a$6c0611c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <1a27384005030719023616ab5f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <003d01c5239a$6c0611c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a27384005031410196756027c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:50:58 -0800, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> 
> <What I'm currently eating is Asian
> food>
> 
> I'm suffering the opposite, I'm
> currently living off the dollar menu
> while I'm craving Japanese and Chinese.

Trade meals? :-D

I cooked up stroganoff, along with tuna salad for sandwiches, on
Saturday.  Then on Sunday, I cooked up rice, veggie stir-fry, and miso
soup with baby spinach and tofu in it.  I dump rice into the miso soup
and use the stir-fry as flavour for a side of rice.  Add in the
numerous times I'm stuck with ramen noodles and I have quite the high
[evil] carb diet.  It's not bad but... I want a milkshake, French
fries, and a few hamburgers... oh yeah, and a pizza and to win the
lottery.  I don't ask for much.

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Mar 15 03:27:32 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:27:32 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching Supersize Me
References: <1a27384005030719023616ab5f@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c5239a$6c0611c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <1a27384005031410196756027c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f901c5290e$ed0f21c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<Trade meals? :-D>

Ugh, please, I'm getting tired of
Double Cheeseburgers.  I would kill for
some crab and noodles...or stir
fry...god I love stir fry.

Now I'm hungry and there's nothing here
to eat.

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 18:32:22 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:32:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <d148rk+ehtk@eGroups.com>
References: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB0160A031@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
	 <d148rk+ehtk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050314103271ddfcd3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:59:00 -0000, davewitley
<dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:

> This whole topic has a "don't go there feel" about it.

{quirks eyebrow}  Oh?  Hm, I didn't get that vibe, which might explain
why I just keep going where few want to. :-\


> "I can slash both ways as long as there's plenty of oblique
> stroking."
> 
> etc.

Slashers are fond of May because it's National Stroke Awareness month.


> David, who thinks it should be called "divide by" fiction...

Based on some of the angst romance fics, the term probably would fit.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 19:10:37 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:10:37 -0500
Subject: Horror slash fic rec Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <d14mj4+pnhq@eGroups.com>
References: <20050314150121.81742.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com>
	 <d14mj4+pnhq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005031411103269bb8c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:53:24 -0000, Casey <caseylane at wideopenwest.com> wrote:

> google bar when looking for slash stories. Guns & Roses, or Friday
> The 13th Movies aren't my thing, even though Wes Craven is gay.

Actually, I dig 28 Days Later slash (not to be mistaken for 28 Days). 
In between killer zombies overtaking the UK, there's some serious
slashiness to Major West (Hollywood ;-) ), which I still think the
actor, Chris E, would've rawked at Voldemort because both Major West
and Jago (modern version of Iago from Othello - not a bad British
movie) just reeked of Slytherin manipulation.  However, the actor is
now cast in the new Doctor Who series as the Doctor.

Anyway, the sad thing is I've only found one 28DL slash fic... or at
least one that was memorable.  It's at AFF.net but the file got
corrupted, so Karen Rose's copy of "56 Days Later" at her website
(Google search? I'm at work) would be the best bet.  When I say a fic
has potential, this puppy has it.  It's like a Gryffindor/Slytherin
slash fic, in a way.

Dina



From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 15 16:59:00 2005
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (sopraniste)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:59:00 -0000
Subject: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <d148rk+ehtk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1748k+5vdp@eGroups.com>



> David, who thinks it should be called "divide by" fiction...

Although, there was a Terry Pratchett novel that refers to sex and
then qualifies it: "Not in the... count the legs and divide by two
sense" (The quotation is approximate, I don't have the book with me,
but it captures the sentiment. It's from the VERY beginning of Equal
Rites.)

Flop






From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 19:10:38 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:10:38 -0000
Subject: Lemon slashes and The Burrow
In-Reply-To: <d1748k+5vdp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d17bve+rkaj@eGroups.com>


Hi guys,
Just returned from a few days away and computerless with my parents - 
was my dad's 60th birthday ... I spent whole time driving round the 
countryside looking at houses and comparing them to The Burrow ... 
they live in very flat fenland and so there were no decent valleys 
and hills to play quidditch in without being seen ... sad I know 
(hubby agrees)
Anyway, when I first became part of the Harry Potter universe and 
started using my PC to locate everything I could, I had no idea what 
Slash meant ... some vague feeling that it was similar to snuff!!!!
Well, you can see just how naive I am!!
But I quite like some of it, there's so much depth and feeling to it 
that even as a heterosexual married female I enjoy it.  If its good, 
then you tend to forget what sex the protagonists are - its just good 
fiction.  I hope that doesn't offend anyone, but thats just my take.  
I think slash is an OK word for it - I'd just get terribly confused 
if it changed.  Someone mentioned lemons, I have read a few lemons 
too.  But in Brit speak a lemon is a duff, a piece of rubbish (best 
example, you buy a car that conks out on the way home, or has so many 
things wrong with it, its worth more as scrap - that car is a lemon.)
So perhaps that's not such a good word to use.
Sarah xx






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 03:45:39 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:45:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching Supersize Me
In-Reply-To: <01f901c5290e$ed0f21c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <1a27384005030719023616ab5f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <003d01c5239a$6c0611c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
	 <1a27384005031410196756027c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <01f901c5290e$ed0f21c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a273840050315194522d79f5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:27:32 -0800, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
 
> Now I'm hungry and there's nothing here
> to eat.

I wonder if that's why JKR included those elaborate feast descriptions
in the HP books... y'know, before the $$$$$ (and more money signs)
rolled in.

Still debating on who cooks?

I've got a backlog of message to catch up on--I don't think I've read
HPFGU in months.  I don't like how Gmail doesn't really allow multiple
messages open at the same time without having multiple user session
windows open.

Though, I do intend on doing some further snooping on a certain snarky
blond that has entered your life {g} --except I'm tuckered out now. 
Two days of 10+ hour shifts and {yawn)  I still also need to do a
follow-up on that 'Weasleys=evil because they don't use birth control'
thing Adora ranted against.  I am so out of fandom that I have no idea
what thread or forum she read it.

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Mar 16 04:04:19 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:04:19 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watching Supersize Me
References: <1a27384005030719023616ab5f@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c5239a$6c0611c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <1a27384005031410196756027c@mail.gmail.com> <01f901c5290e$ed0f21c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <1a273840050315194522d79f5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004401c529dd$3b2f6440$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<Though, I do intend on doing some
further snooping on a certain snarky
blond that has entered your life >

Please do so.  Oh!  Some help:
http://yukieiri.baptism-of-blood.net/
THE place to learn all about him, and
by extension everything else.  Plus if
you go through
http://uesugiyukieiri.proboards38.com/index.cgi
you can see my new job(s).

Pth, go get sleep dear.  And I have no
clue what that rant is about, my focus
has been on A. Snarky Blonde and B.
Idiots in another fandom I've had to
smack.

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Wed Mar 16 17:46:30 2005
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:46:30 -0000
Subject: DSL thanks and Re: The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <d15dkr+24t9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d19rdm+tc26@eGroups.com>



> I like the separate category because I'm not much of a het-
shipper. 
> Granted, I've had my het flings in Star Trek, Babylon 5, and X-Men,
> but my preferences are slash and separating them out does make
> browsing easier... I suspect we're talking on two 
different 'channels'
> here. {g}  Oh yeah, I had a brief fling with Hermione/Snape because
> even greasy gits need to get laid... *especially* greasy gits need 
to
> get laid.  Heh, Snape orgies.
> 
> Dina

Are me too posts forbidden? I will read some het but I have to be in 
the mood (and I have to say, the het in this fandom isn't very good. 
Not the Draco/Ginny stories I've found anyway). I prefer to go to 
slash archives or use search engines for my pairing of choice. I 
also like Gen and like knowing when I start that I'm not going to 
have a het romance snuck in on me. 






From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Wed Mar 16 17:51:31 2005
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:51:31 -0000
Subject: Horror slash fic rec Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The oblique stroke: renaming slash
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005031411103269bb8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d19rn3+f7e1@eGroups.com>


  It's like a Gryffindor/Slytherin slash fic, in a way.
> 
> Dina

Oh, my favorite pairing(s). Although I'm a huge Snape/Lupin fan I 
also love Snape/Ron or Harry or Neville, or Draco/Ron or Neville. 
Not so much with Harry and the only reason I can think of is the 
huge numbers of stories. It just doesn't feel special or different 
anymore. 






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Mar 16 17:55:56 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:55:56 -0000
Subject: Lemon slashes and The Burrow
In-Reply-To: <d17bve+rkaj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d19rvc+c4sc@eGroups.com>


Sarah wrote, concerning slash:

> But I quite like some of it, there's so much depth and feeling to 
it 
> that even as a heterosexual married female I enjoy it.  

Well, that's the odd thing:  I have no firm evidence, but the 
impression I get is that the phrase "even as" above should 
read "especially as".

David






From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Mar 16 18:42:57 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:42:57 -0000
Subject: Lemon slashes and The Burrow and Doctor Who
In-Reply-To: <d19rvc+c4sc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d19unh+t3ob@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> Sarah wrote, concerning slash:
> 
> > But I quite like some of it, there's so much depth and feeling to 
> it 
> > that even as a heterosexual married female I enjoy it.  
> 
> Well, that's the odd thing:  I have no firm evidence, but the 
> impression I get is that the phrase "even as" above should 
> read "especially as".
> 
> David

I think you might be right there.  I'm writing some fanfic of my own 
at the moment, and "as a het married female" hadn't considered having 
a slash element in it ... maybe I should think again.

On another note, has anyone else seen the new baddies for Doctor 
Who?  I've just had a look on aol, and they look pretty good, and in 
a similar vein to the villains that scared the sh*t out of me as a 
child of the seventies.  The cybermen, however, have changed a lot 
and seem to be a cross between the Smash robots, the Klu Klux Klan 
and the death eaters ... still scary I think!
Sarah xx






From spin01 at aol.com  Thu Mar 17 14:18:16 2005
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:18:16 -0000
Subject: way off topic
Message-ID: <d1c3j8+tkkk@eGroups.com>


Ok group this is way off topic but I am making a plea to all groups I 
am involved in.  I work for a program called Babyfast.  It is a 
wonderful program for young teen moms and their families.  I mean 
young here some as young as 15 and 16.  Anyway If anyone is in the 
Illinois area and would like to contribute baby stuff we need as much 
as we can get.  Each week we put together a basket of stuff for the 
baby and its mom.  Stuff like diapers, wipes, powder, babybath, 
clothing etc.  We are given a little bit of money but it is never 
enough and anything we can get donated is a big help.  So if anyone 
out there is in the Aurora, Illinois USA area and would like to 
donate we could definitly use it.  Babyfast is part of the FAST 
program created by Dr. Lynn McDonald.  It is basically a program to 
work on family relationships and in particular the problems that crop 
up when a young teen has a new baby.  

ok off my soap box here lol.  If anyone has any questions or wants to 
help please contact me or I can also send you a link to a page that 
gives info about the program.
sherry






From StGgal at aol.com  Thu Mar 17 16:05:16 2005
From: StGgal at aol.com (stggal)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:05:16 -0000
Subject: Watching Supersize Me
In-Reply-To: <004401c529dd$3b2f6440$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d1c9rs+n3m1@eGroups.com>



I saw this when it was still in the theaters and didn't eat 
McDonald's for weeks thereafter...lol....and I LOVE McDonald's....

Happy to be here,
Helene, member of HPGFU-Movie and newly-joined member of the BIG 
list :)










From shalimar07 at aol.com  Thu Mar 17 17:41:26 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (mumweasley7)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:41:26 -0000
Subject: St. Patrick's Day
Message-ID: <d1cfg6+rhl3@eGroups.com>


Happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone.  I came across the following 
information from Bridget Haggerty's article entitled "Corned Beef 
and Cabbage - The Feeding of a Myth.  It reminded me so much of our 
Ronald Weasley I wanted to share it with you.

What's the national dish of Ireland? Corned Beef and Cabbage, you 
say? Since March has undoubtedly become "Irish Awareness Month", we 
thought it would be fun to explore the truth behind yet another 
Irish myth.

Our research took us to an informative page on European Cuisine. 
According to the article written by an Irishman, Corned Beef first 
turns up in the Vision of MacConglinne, a 12th-century poem which 
describes Irish food as it was eaten at the time.

The poet tell us that Corned Beef is a delicacy given to a king, in 
an attempt to conjure "the demon of gluttony" out of his belly. This 
delicacy status makes little sense until one understands that beef 
was not a major part of the Irish diet until the last century or so.

Shalimar07

True, cattle were kept from very early times, but it was for their 
milk - not their meat. Said one bemused sixteenth-century traveller 
and historian,"They make seventy-several kinds of food out of milk, 
both sweet and sour, and they love them the best when they're 
sourest."

So, what meat did the Irish eat? History tells us that pork was 
always the favorite. In ancient times, cattle were prized as a 
common medium for barter. The size of one's herd was an indication 
of status, wealth and power -- hence all the stories of tribal 
chieftains and petty kings endlessly rustling one another's cattle.








From StGgal at aol.com  Thu Mar 17 17:45:32 2005
From: StGgal at aol.com (stggal)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:45:32 -0000
Subject: St. Patrick's Day
In-Reply-To: <d1cfg6+rhl3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1cfns+nnfc@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mumweasley7" 
<shalimar07 at a...> wrote:
> So, what meat did the Irish eat? History tells us that pork was 
> always the favorite. 

Precisely why we'll be having Roast Crown of Pork with Merlot Sauce 
tonight-it's a tradition.  That, with a couple of loaves of my home-
made Soda Bread-

Happy St. Patty's Day one and all! 
Helene







From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Mar 17 22:12:00 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:12:00 -0000
Subject: AFF.net major overhaul--good news!
Message-ID: <d1cvbg+uk4g@eGroups.com>


Just wanted to help spread some good news.  Many people have used
AdultFanFiction.net for quite some time for all sorts of fanfictions
from a huge variety of genres.  Many of us have lately started to
`abandon' the site because of numerous problems with formatting,
garbling of text of our stories as they moved servers, trolls,
plagiarists, etc.

I am not a moderator or an owner of this site in any way.  I am an
author there, and I am delighted to say that they are undergoing a
huge overhaul, with many moderators now helping the site owner so that
it is not one person trying to do all the work herself.  They have
been combing the site to get rid of the problems and be more
accessible to the users.  They have even created a Yahoo group to
address problems and questions quickly?my question was dealt with in
less than six hours. 

Here is a message posted by one of the Moderators to another Yahoo
group to which I belong.  I'm posting this to all my relevant groups
so that more people can have their problems sorted out and know that
AFF.net is once again going to be a good place to go for your fanfictions.

The message:
````````````````````````
"If anyone is having an issue with their stories at the AFF site,
please join the AFFProblems list at Yahoo, we promise personalized
attention. We have sections built into our database for us to go and
review on a daily basis which problems to tackle first. *and yes
they are addressing the issue of the 'garbling' that went on when
they changed servers* That will take time to sort out.

If anyone has an issue of stolen fictions, please provide us with
links and publish dates to your original story, and the links to the
offending writer. We do investigate each case, give the offending
writer an opportunity to respond and then take action as required.
We've bounced off about 6 Plague offenders and several Trolls on the
list already (guys that post one word or line under their story
heading)

If anyone sees this kind of thing going on, please report it to us as
soon as possible..

Thanks for the soapbox time ...:)

Here's the link for the Problems:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/affprobs/

And a link for the general AFF news.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AdultFanFictionNet/   "

```````````````````````````````````

Yay!  Kudos to AFF.net!  

Lisa/aka Shanti







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 01:15:25 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:15:25 -0500
Subject: DVD burner recs?
Message-ID: <1a27384005031817154dc82629@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious if folks have good suggestions (and not too pricey) on DVD
burners to transfer over VHS tapes to DVD?  Websites for burner recs? 
Also, a burner that can also do computer/PC data as well.  I'd like to
see what's out there but... still not sure about money.  I *really*
would like one but... gotta juggle costs.  So, maybe a bit of 'window
browsing'.

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Mar 19 01:13:47 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:13:47 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DVD burner recs?
References: <1a27384005031817154dc82629@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02cb01c52c20$e7c43ba0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Did you check Amazon?  Often times they
have reviews that help you out.  I
selected my CD burner that way (which I
later bought from Dell since Amazon
didn't actually have the one I wanted,
just a review page).

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 19:16:34 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:16:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DVD burner recs?
In-Reply-To: <02cb01c52c20$e7c43ba0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <1a27384005031817154dc82629@mail.gmail.com>
	 <02cb01c52c20$e7c43ba0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a27384005031911161cfde314@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:13:47 -0800, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> 
> Did you check Amazon?  Often times they

Nope, not yet.

> have reviews that help you out.  I
> selected my CD burner that way (which I
> later bought from Dell since Amazon
> didn't actually have the one I wanted,
> just a review page).

Good suggestion!  Thank you.  I'd *really* like to buy a DVD burner. 
It doesn't help that I've been helping my boss' father with his
standalone DVD burner, which he's got hooked up to a multi-region VCR
(I still have a PAL tape I'd like converted - hm, wonder if I can use
it {g}).  First things first, I still have to get my editing computer
fixed.  That's $60 (with no guarantee that'd be the end all) but the
guy works in the evenings/weekends and comes to your home.

I'm a bit uncomfortable with dropping off the computer because I've
got gay pr0n galore... heh, right next to the Harry Potter videos. 
So, you can kinda see why I want to keep an eye on the computer.

Dina



From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Mar 19 21:08:29 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:08:29 -0000
Subject: Snape, slash, sex, nostalgia ...
Message-ID: <d1i4cd+hr9v@eGroups.com>


Valy wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26476 :

<< Snape is born in mid-winter and is a capricorn, which the leading
planet is Saturn. He does have dark hair, a mean stature, and MAY have
lost people at a young age.  >>

Nitpick: Snape is not 'of mean stature'. 'Mean stature' means short
and scrawny, which was true of Harry in the first four books but not
in five, which began by mentioning that he had had his growth spurt
and was now as tall as James. Snape in my mind is average to short
height and mesomorphic build, but CANON repeatedly calls him tall and
thin, a tall, thin wizard -- ectomorphic build. 

I wonder if the Potterverse has some rule connecting tall height,
ectomorphic body type and hair being red or black (rather than brown
or blond) to having more magic power... I recall indications that
Sirius is a tall mesomorph and that Molly, Charlie, Fred, George, and
Ginny are short mesomorphs, and Hermione has brown hair...

Did anyone used to read the Darkover series by Marion Zimmer Bradley
back in the 1970s and 1980s? In those days, they were sword & sorcery
fantasies passing as Science Fiction by calling the magic 'psi' and
'telepathy' and saying it all happens in the far future on another
planet colonized by humans from Earth. Anyway, in that series it is 
an axiom that only redheads have 'psi', the redder the hair the more
powerful the 'psi', and the best 'telepaths' are 'tall and thin or
small and thin"= ectomorphic. A pseudo-scientific reason was given,
that redheads and thin people have more active adrenal glands. 

Dumbledad wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26480 :

<< Slash fiction is called slash fiction because of the oblique 
stroke written between the character's names, e.g. Sirius/James.
Wouldn't it have been better if the various communities involved had
picked up the English name for '/' rather than the American? Somehow
if it was called "oblique stroke fiction" it would conjure up far 
more sympathetic connotations than "slash fiction", which sounds like
something from a horror movie. >>

Except in USAn, 'stroke fiction' means pornography (fiction to
masturbate with). Other names for that punctuation mark include
solidus and virgule. Solidus was also the name of a Roman coin and
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=virgule says: <<thin sloping
line, used as a comma in medieval MSS, 1837, from Fr. virgule, from L.
virgula "punctuation mark," lit. "little twig," dim. of virga "shoot,
rod, stick." The word had been borrowed in its L. form in 1728.>>

I really ought to think of something clever to say about 'shoot, rod,
stick fiction'. 'Stick rod, shoot' is more chronological?
  
Steve bboyminn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26488 :

<< Another way of referring to Slash is 'Lemon' or 'Lemony'. >>

I thought "lemon" referred to explicit sex scenes. Apparently the
origin of the term is from two ancient (IIRC 1970s) anime series named
"Lemon People" and "Lemon Cream". 

In the late 1970s or early 1980s, Fred Patten and Mark Merlino founded
the Cartoon/Fantasy Organization (C/FO) in Los Angeles for fans of
anime, which at the time they called 'Japanimation' because very few
Americans had ever heard of anime. IIRC Merlino had learned about it
while serving in US Military in Japan. The purpose of meetings was to
show a wide range of anime and let all the members copy each other's
videotapes, because there was no commercial sale of anime videotapes
in USA. They either bought home-made copies wrapped in tinfoil from
gift shops and food shops in Little Tokyo or Sawtelle District or had
friends in Japan mail them, and a problem with the latter was some
difference between Japanese and American VCRs.

I was in APA-L, a weekly printed version of a Y!group (in those days,
UUCP usenet groups were very small and rare, and the only other
on-line group conversations were Bulletin Boards that were not
connected to a network), and so was Fred, and he wrote about the C/FO
meetings and what tapes had been played, and one was an episode of
"Peppermint Cream" which IIRC he said was an example of US/Japan
cultural differences because in Japan it had been IIRC broadcast on TV
and in USA it woold be considered Child Pornography.

So I asked What does Peppermint have to do with Pornography, unless
it's some Food Fetish, and Fred explained that Peppermint Cream was a
rip-off of Lemon Cream and Lemon People, so I asked what does Lemon
have to do with Pornography, so Fred said the guy just liked lemons so
he used it as a name.

Dina wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26493 :

<< Gah, do you remember back in the early 1990s when the 28.8 modem
was the typical *speed* of home internet? >> 

I remember when 28.8K was a Big Improvement on 14.4K ... I remember
being awed at 14.4K because my previous job had involved a 9600 baud
modem. Every evening, after a making a back-up tape, I had to modem
the back-up tape (data) to an off-site archive. I remember how very
much earlier I got home once we upgraded to 9600 baud from 3000-odd.
There was no home Internet in those days, only some of my genius
friends got on ARPAnet... One of them wrote up an @!rgy, an orgy only
for people with @ or ! in their addresses....






From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Mar 19 23:29:14 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:29:14 -0000
Subject: Lemon slashes and The Burrow
In-Reply-To: <d17bve+rkaj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1icka+kuso@eGroups.com>


For once, Britspeak and Americanism agree with each other.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> 

 Brit speak a lemon is a duff, a piece of rubbish (best 
> example, you buy a car that conks out on the way home, or has so many 
> things wrong with it, its worth more as scrap - that car is a lemon.)
> So perhaps that's not such a good word to use.
> Sarah xx

Joe







From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sun Mar 20 00:10:46 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:10:46 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Lemon slashes
In-Reply-To: <d1icka+kuso@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPMEACCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

> Sarah xx said
 Brit speak a lemon is a duff, a piece of rubbish (best > example, you buy a
car that conks out on the way home, or has so many > things wrong with it,
its worth more as scrap - that car is a lemon.)> So perhaps that's not such
a good word to use.

Joe said
For once, Britspeak and Americanism agree with each other.
************
When I was younger (and maybe even now, it's along time since I've been
abused on the street) a lemon was a lesbian.

storm in au, who thinks it's quite obvious she is a lesbian and has never
understood why people feel the need to tell her they think she is. .. and
then there was that U2 song wasn't there?

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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 20 05:02:17 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 20 Mar 2005 05:02:17 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1111294937.26.56566.m11@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 20 07:33:19 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:33:19 -0000
Subject: DVD burner recs? -Video Capture Card too?
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005031817154dc82629@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d1j8vv+9mqc@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...>
wrote:
> I'm curious if folks have good suggestions (and not too pricey) on DVD
> burners to transfer over VHS tapes to DVD?  Websites for burner recs? 
> Also, a burner that can also do computer/PC data as well.  I'd like to
> see what's out there but... still not sure about money.  I *really*
> would like one but... gotta juggle costs.  So, maybe a bit of 'window
> browsing'.
> 
> Dina

bboyminn:

Haven't checked prices recently but computer DVD recorders are in the
$300 to $500 range. Any major recognizable brand name should be OK. 

If the videos you are recording are NOT full length feature films,
then there is a good chance they will fit on a CD-ROM, in which case
both the disks and the Drive are much cheaper. A CD-RW now days can be
had for under $50. Video CD's will usually play in most new console
(connected to you TV) DVD players.

What you are really going to need is a Video Capture Device of some
kind. They are available in USB and Firewire computer interfaces, as
internal video capture cards, or built into high end VGA video cards,
and typically have composite or 'S'-video inputs. 

These can run between $50 and $5,000 (yes, $5,000). You should be able
to find something you like in the $100 to $200 range. Record quality
varies greatly, so if you don't already have a video capture card, you
should research this very carefully.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn










From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 20 16:02:26 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 20 Mar 2005 16:02:26 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1111334546.59.16626.m1@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Mar 20 16:27:16 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:27:16 -0800
Subject: Overstock.com?
References: <1111334546.59.16626.m1@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <06de01c52d69$aec21c60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Has anyone ordered anything from
Overstock.com and if so what did you
think of them?  I'm a bit leery
considering their website, over half
the images don't work and they can't
even put the correct authors to the
correct books.

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 16:48:47 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:48:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Overstock.com?
In-Reply-To: <06de01c52d69$aec21c60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <1111334546.59.16626.m1@yahoogroups.com>
	 <06de01c52d69$aec21c60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a27384005032008486a76934d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:27:16 -0800, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone ordered anything from
> Overstock.com and if so what did you
> think of them?  I'm a bit leery

Hm, I've used them to buy a ridiculous amount of CD-RW disks (pretty
good deal on over 200+)... and then realized I couldn't use them on my
old burner. :-(  So, sold them on eBay.

Now, over a couple hundred CD disks is a mean feat of shipping and
they did it in a timely manner and was packaged fine.  Though, this
was over 2-3 years ago.

Dina



From joseph at kirtland.com  Sun Mar 20 17:16:54 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:16:54 -0000
Subject: Overstock.com?
In-Reply-To: <06de01c52d69$aec21c60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d1kb66+3n85@eGroups.com>


Here in Salt Lake City, Utah - Overstock's home base, (I believe,)
they have started some very high-profile television commercials.  

Honestly, Most of my online buying is concentrated with Amazon and
Ebay, so I've never had an opportunity to use Overstock.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> Has anyone ordered anything from
> Overstock.com and if so what did you
> think of them?  I'm a bit leery
> considering their website, over half
> the images don't work and they can't
> even put the correct authors to the
> correct books.
> 
> Saitaina
> ****
> "'Do yourself a favor and leave that
> lid on for a minute.  If you take it
> off you'll mace yourself."
> 
> "If you're going to sing in the shower,
> don't start with a song that begins
> with 'help'."
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 19:15:33 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:15:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: DVD burner recs? -Video Capture Card too?
In-Reply-To: <d1j8vv+9mqc@eGroups.com>
References: <1a27384005031817154dc82629@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d1j8vv+9mqc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050320111518e2abbf@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:33:19 -0000, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
> Just passing it along.

Thanks. {g}  I've got two vid capture boards (DC30 and RT2500 - both
old/discontinued boards), which is partly why my PCs are always
missing a side panel because I swap the DC30 around.

The thing is getting the video quality right and dropped frames.  Err,
I think audio is iffy--dunno because I frequently replace the audio
track with another file.  I'd still like a DVD burner (some good ones
exist for less than $100) for data but I'm also wondering if a DVD
recorder might be easier for transferring over old tapes.  First, I'll
try out the DVD burner.  My DC30 card can capture about 5-6 minutes
and it hogs up 600+megs for a fullscreen output on TV.

At this point, cha-ching cha-ching on the expenses. :-\  I don't even
have a working CD burner.  I only have a working floppy and zip drive,
along with the hard drive on this computer.  Since it's Win98SE, it
doesn't like USB 2.0 drives--I've tried.

Dina



From Koinonia2 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 20 19:33:33 2005
From: Koinonia2 at hotmail.com (koinonia02)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:33:33 -0000
Subject: Snape, slash, sex, nostalgia ...
In-Reply-To: <d1i4cd+hr9v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1kj6d+eebi@eGroups.com>


Valy wrote in

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26476 :

> Snape is born in mid-winter and is a capricorn, which the leading
> planet is Saturn. He does have dark hair, a mean stature, and MAY
> have lost people at a young age.


"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" Message 26517:

> Nitpick: Snape is not 'of mean stature'. 'Mean stature' means short
> and scrawny, which was true of Harry in the first four books but
>not in five, which began by mentioning that he had had his growth
>spurt and was now as tall as James. Snape in my mind is average to
>short height and mesomorphic build, but CANON repeatedly calls him
>tall and thin, a tall, thin wizard -- ectomorphic build.


"K":

I have always thought of Snape as tall, but as far as I know there
is no canon to back that up. Snape is never described as tall. He is
thin but I have never found any mention concerning his height other
than:

"I'll get to the point, then," said Sirius, standing up. He was
rather taller than Snape...
oop-ch 24-pg 520-us






From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 21 02:11:30 2005
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:11:30 -0000
Subject: 28 week update....
Message-ID: <d1lagi+nkem@eGroups.com>


Hey guys and gals I am writing you a 28 week pregnancy update on me 
and the baby.
Today I just reached my 28 week and so far I feel great. The baby is a 
boy and we are naming him Joshua David. He will be born June 12th.
Last week on the 11th was my doctor appointment and the doctor check 
the heartbeat of the baby and it was really strong and healthy. He 
felt my stomach and said the baby is almost 3 pounds already. I been 
mainting my weight and my blood pressure. My weight has been the same 
since December it is 222. My blood pressure was 122 over 76. I been 
watching what i been eating and I can only drink 1 caffeine a day 
since I do get migraines but I haven't been getting a lot at all
since I been pregnant, I get a few headaches and that is it.
The baby is kicking and moving around a lot. He has been kicking like 
a soccer player and he loves just kicking at my bladder and my ribs. 
Its getting harder and harder to get comfortable at night and when I 
do get comfortable I have to get up to go to the bathroom. I hate 
going to the bathroom every hour.
Next doctors appointment I will be going through the blood glucose 
test to check if i have diabetes or something but lets hope I don't.
Pete and I are now starting to pack a suitcase to get ready for going 
to the hospital. Also we are also packing boxes to get ready to move 
at the end of next month to another place in St. Pete to be closer to 
his mom so when I go back to work she can be able to help
take care of the baby.
Thank you to everyone who has been there and for
helping me get through this.

Tasha
28 weeks pregnant

http://www.snugglepie.com/ezb/82842.png






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Mar 21 09:04:24 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:04:24 -0000
Subject: 28 week update....
In-Reply-To: <d1lagi+nkem@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1m2mo+864j@eGroups.com>


Tasha - thanks for the update, it is SO good to know how you're doing (and 
the little guy as well!)

All the best, Sandra (feeling all mumsy right now!)


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" <bruney200 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Thank you to everyone who has been there and for
> helping me get through this.
> 
> Tasha
> 28 weeks pregnant
> 
> http://www.snugglepie.com/ezb/82842.png






From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 21 16:11:50 2005
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:11:50 -0000
Subject: 28 week update....
In-Reply-To: <d1lagi+nkem@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1mro6+56b9@eGroups.com>


Glad to hear ypou're doing well! I LOVED being pregnant-now my sweet 
boy is already 15 months-learned how to climb stairs this weekend. 
Oh boy. My best friend is having her baby today-I'm the Godmommy! 
Think good thoughts!

-Barb

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" <bruney200 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hey guys and gals I am writing you a 28 week pregnancy update on 
me 
> and the baby.
> Today I just reached my 28 week and so far I feel great. The baby 
is a 
> boy and we are naming him Joshua David. He will be born June 12th.
> Last week on the 11th was my doctor appointment and the doctor 
check 
> the heartbeat of the baby and it was really strong and healthy. He 
> felt my stomach and said the baby is almost 3 pounds already. I 
been 
> mainting my weight and my blood pressure. My weight has been the 
same 
> since December it is 222. My blood pressure was 122 over 76. I 
been 
> watching what i been eating and I can only drink 1 caffeine a day 
> since I do get migraines but I haven't been getting a lot at all
> since I been pregnant, I get a few headaches and that is it.
> The baby is kicking and moving around a lot. He has been kicking 
like 
> a soccer player and he loves just kicking at my bladder and my 
ribs. 
> Its getting harder and harder to get comfortable at night and when 
I 
> do get comfortable I have to get up to go to the bathroom. I hate 
> going to the bathroom every hour.
> Next doctors appointment I will be going through the blood glucose 
> test to check if i have diabetes or something but lets hope I 
don't.
> Pete and I are now starting to pack a suitcase to get ready for 
going 
> to the hospital. Also we are also packing boxes to get ready to 
move 
> at the end of next month to another place in St. Pete to be closer 
to 
> his mom so when I go back to work she can be able to help
> take care of the baby.
> Thank you to everyone who has been there and for
> helping me get through this.
> 
> Tasha
> 28 weeks pregnant
> 
> http://www.snugglepie.com/ezb/82842.png






From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 21 16:13:45 2005
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:13:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Overstock.com?
In-Reply-To: <1111418410.3756.45300.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050321161345.78941.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com>

I'd use Overstock.com with caution. 

A few months ago, I ordered a few cd's from them. When
the package arrived, it was one disc short, and there
was no mention of backorders, etc. on the invoice. I
called them, and they sent the missing disc right
away.

My partner's sister bought him the complete series
"The Office" on dvd for Christmas. When he opened it,
one of the discs was missing from the set. This wasn't
Overstock.com's fault, apperantly some had been
packaged like that by mistake. What WAS their fault,
however, was waiting 2 months before issuing a return
shipment authorization, even though my partner's
sister had been calling them  weekly.

So, sometimes spotty customer service, sometimes
spotty order fullfilment. Would I use them again?
Probably, if their prices were significantly better
than other places.

And while I'm on the subject, avoid Buy.com like the
horid plague it is!

Tyler


Has anyone ordered anything from
Overstock.com and if so what did you
think of them?  I'm a bit leery
considering their website, over half
the images don't work and they can't
even put the correct authors to the
correct books.


		
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From glzie at comcast.net  Mon Mar 21 16:28:16 2005
From: glzie at comcast.net (zandi1717)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:28:16 -0000
Subject: Overstock.com?
In-Reply-To: <06de01c52d69$aec21c60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d1msn0+d0op@eGroups.com>


Hey Saitaina...I am a long-time user of Overstock.com...
I only have one complaint - you do have to look at the fine print 
very carefully....otherwise, I think they are a great site!

Everyone should know (by now, I hope) that you should use a credit 
card on the web - especially one that has protection - protection 
for you if what you have ordered is not what you thought it was. 
(there are certain companies that will not help you to get your 
money back - so be careful!)

Otherwise, I think that site is great!  I've bought my sheet sets 
there - 600+ thread count - goes for about $400 here, got them for 
under $100 (and they are the EXACT same sheet set!).  I also buy a 
lot of jewerly for the grandparents there...where else can you get 
the pearl earrings for someone who has everything else in life?  I 
also buy the kids' CD's and DVD's there and all of their 
linens...it's amazing how, in the past year, I would guess I have 
saved close to almost $1000! (as opposed to shopping here locally!)

And don't even get me started on Christmas!!! :)

I, with personal experience, find that site trustworthy.  It's the 
people out there who hack and scam that you have to watch out 
for...thus the warning about using only a credit card on the 
web...even when using paypal - use a credit card with protection!

Good luck - and remember - they have a money back policy...even 
though I've never had to use it, they do promise your money back if 
you don't like what you got.  And when they send your package, they 
automatically include a return label - all you have to do is call 
the number on the slip, tell them you are returning it, they give 
you a RMA number....put the label on the box after taping it up, and 
that's it!









From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon Mar 21 16:39:32 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:39:32 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Overstock.com?
References: <d1msn0+d0op@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01b601c52e34$8f5f6d20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Thank you all for your help.  I put
through my order simply for the sheer
fact I couldn't pass up a price on a
DVD.

I WAS going to go w/Amazon (my one true
home...*worships*), but I saved ten
dollars on the whole order between the
two sites, thus allowing me an extra
book. :o)

We shall we what service I get when
this is over.  I shall let you all
know!

*sits and waits impatiently for her
books and DVD*

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Mar 22 10:40:38 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:40:38 -0000
Subject: 28 week update....
In-Reply-To: <d1mro6+56b9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1osn6+cmjd@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Barb Fulton" 
<barbfulton at y...> wrote:
My best friend is having her baby today-I'm the Godmommy! 
> Think good thoughts!
> 
> -Barb
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" <bruney200 at y...> 
> wrote:
 The baby 
> is a 
> > boy and we are naming him Joshua David. He will be born June 12th.

Is this a daft question?  How does everybody know exactly when their 
babies are going to be born.  Unless you know something I don't (or 
you're all having planned caesarians) babies come when they are 
ready ... :)

Sarah xx






From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 22 14:09:51 2005
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:09:51 -0000
Subject: Overstock.com?
In-Reply-To: <06de01c52d69$aec21c60$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d1p8vf+bcjb@eGroups.com>


--- "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> Has anyone ordered anything from
> Overstock.com and if so what did you
> think of them? 


A month or so ago I ordered a music CD from Overstock.com and was 
quite satisfied with the purchase.  The CD arrived promptly, in 
perfect condition, and the price was very reasonable.  I wouldn't 
hesitate to order from them again.

--snazzzybird






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Mar 22 16:50:19 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:50:19 -0800
Subject: Gah!  *slaps hands*
References: <d1p8vf+bcjb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005501c52eff$3bac1a40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

I need to stop spending money.  I keep
ordering things (such as my
Overstock.com purchase) and I have to
save for my name change next month (It.
Will. Happen!  *ignores the looks from
friends who have been listening to this
for two plus years).

Anyone else have this problem where you
try to save and end up spending
everything?

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 19:41:39 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:41:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah! *slaps hands*
In-Reply-To: <005501c52eff$3bac1a40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <d1p8vf+bcjb@eGroups.com>
	 <005501c52eff$3bac1a40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a2738400503221141406dff8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:50:19 -0800, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> Anyone else have this problem where you
> try to save and end up spending
> everything?

Err, yep. :-)  So, will we still know you as Saitaina?

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Mar 22 20:45:07 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:45:07 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah! *slaps hands*
References: <d1p8vf+bcjb@eGroups.com> <005501c52eff$3bac1a40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <1a2738400503221141406dff8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001601c52f20$08ade440$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<Err, yep. :-)  So, will we still know
you as Saitaina?>

Uh, yeah, as that's what I'm changing
my name TO.   Makes it easier to have
my pen name, my common usage name and
my legal name all the same one.

Saitaina
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Tue Mar 22 23:40:45 2005
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:40:45 EST
Subject: Sarah's daft question (LOL)
Message-ID: <dc.22e8fa54.2f7206fd@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:47:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Is this a daft question?  How does everybody know exactly when their 
> babies are going to be born.  Unless you know something I don't (or 
> you're all having planned caesarians) babies come when they are 
> ready ... :)
> 
> Sarah xx
> 

Hey Sarah,
I don't know if these gals had caesarian's, but my cousin recently had her 
little girl and they chose a date to induce her! I guess you can plan anything, 
including childbirth, these days. :)  Personally, I waited until I went into 
labor.
Elizabeth



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From heidi at heidi8.com  Wed Mar 23 01:27:12 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:27:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sarah's daft question (LOL)
In-Reply-To: <dc.22e8fa54.2f7206fd@aol.com>
References: <dc.22e8fa54.2f7206fd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1111541236.16882E3F@dj11.dngr.org>


> In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:47:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sarah asked:
>
>>  Is this a daft question?  How does everybody know exactly when their
>>  babies are going to be born.  Unless you know something I don't (or
>>  you're all having planned caesarians) babies come when they are
>>  ready ... :)
>>

LunaLovesHarry wrote:
> Hey Sarah,
> I don't know if these gals had caesarian's, but my cousin recently had 
> her
> little girl and they chose a date to induce her! I guess you can plan 
> anything,
> including childbirth, these days. :)  Personally, I waited until I went 
> into
> labor.

I waited in my first pregnancy. My second one, on day 12 past my due 
date, I agreed to be induced - it just wasn't starting on its own. But I 
did manage those two without painkillers, so although I've heard people 
say that induction = epidural, in my case it didn't.

This go-round, I expect induction because last time, I went so fast, 
this time there's concern I wouldn't get to the hospital in time so 
hypnobirthing, here I come!



From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Wed Mar 23 05:12:00 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:12:00 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah!  *slaps hands*
In-Reply-To: <005501c52eff$3bac1a40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPAECDCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Hey Saitaina

try putting the money in an envelope with the desired item written on the
outside.

Might work.

If you are really bad you can give the envelope to someone else to hold so
you don't have easy access

also, if you have a credit card - don't.

storm, who is 34 and still doesn't have good self discipline over money

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From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 23 05:31:48 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Jenny H)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:31:48 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah!  *slaps hands*
References: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPAECDCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <003201c52f69$b43a2c30$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>

Or, something a friend used to do years ago....Take the cash and/or coins
and put them in a zip lock bag, then another zip lock bag, making very sure
that both bags are sealed very tight. The put the bag in a bowl of water and
freeze it. With the cash frozen in a block of ice, it is available for a 
true
emergency, but getting it requires enough time and effort that MAYBE you
will stop and thing before you spend it on something else.
Jenny

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "storm" <miss_megan at bigpond.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:12 PM
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah! *slaps hands*


>
> Hey Saitaina
>
> try putting the money in an envelope with the desired item written on the
> outside.
>
> Might work.
>
> If you are really bad you can give the envelope to someone else to hold so
> you don't have easy access
>
> also, if you have a credit card - don't.
>
> storm, who is 34 and still doesn't have good self discipline over money
>
> --





From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Wed Mar 23 09:49:25 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:49:25 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]saving for important things  (was  Gah!  *slaps hands*
In-Reply-To: <003201c52f69$b43a2c30$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPOECECIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Jenny suggested ...

Or, something a friend used to do years ago....Take the cash and/or coins
and put them in a zip lock bag, then another zip lock bag, making very sure
that both bags are sealed very tight. The put the bag in a bowl of water and
freeze it. With the cash frozen in a block of ice, it is available for a
true
emergency, but getting it requires enough time and effort that MAYBE you
will stop and thing before you spend it on something else.

Oh ah, that's good. I'll have to think of that for the next time I get a
windfall.

storm


-----Original Message-----
From: Jenny H [mailto:BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 4:32 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah! *slaps hands*





----- Original Message -----
From: "storm" <miss_megan at bigpond.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:12 PM
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah! *slaps hands*


>
> Hey Saitaina
>
> try putting the money in an envelope with the desired item written on the
> outside.
>
> Might work.
>
> If you are really bad you can give the envelope to someone else to hold so
> you don't have easy access
>
> also, if you have a credit card - don't.
>
> storm, who is 34 and still doesn't have good self discipline over money
>
> --





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From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 23 15:52:39 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:52:39 -0000
Subject: 28 week update....
In-Reply-To: <d1osn6+cmjd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1s3c7+hron@eGroups.com>


SNIP SNIP SNIP
>  The baby 
> > is a 
> > > boy and we are naming him Joshua David. He will be born June 
12th.
> 
> Is this a daft question?  How does everybody know exactly when 
their 
> babies are going to be born.  Unless you know something I don't (or 
> you're all having planned caesarians) babies come when they are 
> ready ... :)
> 
> Sarah xx

In reply to this & other non-snipped responses, yeah you can plan 
caesarians & inductions, & babies can still come when they're ready.  
With my son, the plan was for induction on 12-29.  He made my blood 
pressure skyrocket on 12-23, & the induction was moved up to 12-24.  
That's how I got my Christmas Eve baby.  But Tasha, with your due 
date in June, you may give birth within a month of HBP being 
released.  How ever will you find the time to read it?  My son was 6 
mos. old when OOTP was released.  It took me 7 wks to read it.
Sharon






From heidi at heidi8.com  Wed Mar 23 17:05:51 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:05:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: 28 week update....
In-Reply-To: <d1s3c7+hron@eGroups.com>
References: <d1s3c7+hron@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1111597553.1ED012C8@dh11.dngr.org>


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:54 am, sharon wrote:
>
> with your due date in June, you may give birth within a month of HBP 
> being
> released.  How ever will you find the time to read it?  My son was 6
> mos. old when OOTP was released.  It took me 7 wks to read it.


It's slightly easier when they're very small. My middle child was born 
three weeks before OotP came out so he was still sleeping a lot when the 
book came out and I managed to fit it in amid a night of sleeplessness 
and a day of naps.

My first was born six weeks before PoA came out in the US... but three 
weeks after its release in the UK, so I ordered mine from amazon.co.uk 
and it was the last novel I read before becoming consumed with 
parenting.



From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 23 17:07:14 2005
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:07:14 -0000
Subject: Sarah's daft question (LOL)
In-Reply-To: <1111541236.16882E3F@dj11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <d1s7o2+khqt@eGroups.com>


> > In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:47:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> sarah asked:
> >
> >>  Is this a daft question?  How does everybody know exactly when 
their
> >>  babies are going to be born.  Unless you know something I 
don't (or
> >>  you're all having planned caesarians) babies come when they are
> >>  ready ... :)
> >>

Barb:

With the friend that I wrote about, it's been a high-risk pregnancy, 
and she's had a rough time of it. She was supposed to go in on 
Monday for an ultrasound and amnio, and if the baby's lungs were 
fully developed (which they should be, since she's 38 weeks), she'd 
be induced.

With my baby (now 15 months), I went to 41 weeks, and at my 41 week 
ultrasound, they saw my amniotic fluid was low, so they induced me 
the next day. 

-Barb, who's DYING to hear if her friend had the baby, but realizes 
that if there is a baby, they are WAY too busy to call!






From pbarhug at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 23 19:36:47 2005
From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:36:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sarah's daft question (LOL)
References: <dc.22e8fa54.2f7206fd@aol.com> <1111541236.16882E3F@dj11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <012501c52fdf$a7608420$0301000a@DJZCB631>

Heidi wrote:
I waited in my first pregnancy. My second one, on day 12 past my due 
date, I agreed to be induced - it just wasn't starting on its own. But I 
did manage those two without painkillers, so although I've heard people 
say that induction = epidural, in my case it didn't.

This go-round, I expect induction because last time, I went so fast, 
this time there's concern I wouldn't get to the hospital in time so 
hypnobirthing, here I come!



Good luck, Heidi.  I didn't realize you were expecting number three.  With my first two, I waited until they came on their own; the second one was two weeks overdue.  The third was scheduled for induction on July 12; he took matters into his own hands and came on  the 10th.  Number four was a semi-scheduled induction; the obstetrician who delivered number three was finishing her residency and wanted to deliver number four so she told me to come down to the hospital on June 2 and to say I was having contractions.  I did, they hooked me up to a little pitocin to stabilize my contractions and told me to settle down for a couple of hours wait.  Harry was born 15 minutes later.  Good thing I did go in; I never would have made it to the hospital.

I read the first three Harry Potter books right after number three was born; one in the hospital and two more during nursing breaks.

drpam


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From spin01 at aol.com  Wed Mar 23 23:21:47 2005
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:21:47 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]saving for important things  (was  Gah!  *slaps hands*
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPOECECIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <d1stmb+hqah@eGroups.com>


I had to laugh when I read the post about saving money instead of 
spending it.  I am currently in possession of $200 of my bosses 
money.  She owns a small Greek Cafe where I work 2 nights a week.  
She has a bad addiction to the River Boat. (she gambles as often as 
she can lol) so on some nights she gives me money and says hold it 
till the day I put the deposit in.  So I hold it till she is ready to 
go to the bank.  That way she doesnt spend it  
sherry

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> 
wrote:
> Jenny suggested ...
> 
> Or, something a friend used to do years ago....Take the cash and/or 
coins
> and put them in a zip lock bag, then another zip lock bag, making 
very sure
> that both bags are sealed very tight. The put the bag in a bowl of 
water and
> freeze it. With the cash frozen in a block of ice, it is available 
for a
> true
> emergency, but getting it requires enough time and effort that 
MAYBE you
> will stop and thing before you spend it on something else.
> 
> Oh ah, that's good. I'll have to think of that for the next time I 
get a
> windfall.
> 
> storm
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenny H [mailto:BamaJenny12 at y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 4:32 PM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah! *slaps hands*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "storm" <miss_megan at b...>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah! *slaps hands*
> 
> 
> >
> > Hey Saitaina
> >
> > try putting the money in an envelope with the desired item 
written on the
> > outside.
> >
> > Might work.
> >
> > If you are really bad you can give the envelope to someone else 
to hold so
> > you don't have easy access
> >
> > also, if you have a credit card - don't.
> >
> > storm, who is 34 and still doesn't have good self discipline over 
money
> >
> > --
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Thu Mar 24 04:11:26 2005
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:11:26 -0000
Subject: hypnobirthing
In-Reply-To: <1111541236.16882E3F@dj11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <d1tele+2n2s@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <heidi at h...> wrote:
 
> This go-round, I expect induction because last time, I went so fast, 
> this time there's concern I wouldn't get to the hospital in time so 
> hypnobirthing, here I come!

kjirstem:

Thumbs up on hypnobirthing!  I slept through most of labor thanks to
that.  Sleeping through labor is far preferable to walking through
labor (in my limited experience).






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Mar 24 04:25:17 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:25:17 -0000
Subject: Harlequin Romances - Reloaded!
Message-ID: <d1tffd+i8ju@eGroups.com>


This is hysterically funny:

http://www.worldoflongmire.com/features/romance_novels/

  - CMC






From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu Mar 24 05:04:03 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:04:03 -0000
Subject: Harlequin Romances - Reloaded!
In-Reply-To: <d1tffd+i8ju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1tho3+7mc7@eGroups.com>


Priceless! Let me return the favor; visit the Gallery of Regrettable 
Food:

http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/index.html

Ms. Tattersall

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> 
> This is hysterically funny:
> 
> http://www.worldoflongmire.com/features/romance_novels/
> 
>   - CMC






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar 24 09:03:28 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:03:28 -0000
Subject: Sarah's daft question (LOL)
In-Reply-To: <dc.22e8fa54.2f7206fd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d1tvp0+s0ir@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, 
LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
Is this a daft question?  How does everybody know exactly when 
their babies are going to be born.  Unless you know something I 
don't (or you're all having planned caesarians) babies come 
when they are  ready ... :)
 Sarah xx
> > 
> 
> Hey Sarah,
> I don't know if these gals had caesarian's, but my cousin 
recently had her little girl and they chose a date to induce her! I 
guess you can plan anything, including childbirth, these days. :)  
Personally, I waited until I went into labor.
> Elizabeth
> 


Hello Sarah and Elizabeth,
A friend of mine went one whole week overdue! She was ready to 
give birth any way possible to get it over with. The doctors 
eventually induced the birth and everything was okay. Happy 
baby, happy mum!
Sandra (hoping a 37-38week pregnancy never happens to her)






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 24 13:15:11 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:15:11 -0000
Subject: Harlequin Romances - Reloaded!
In-Reply-To: <d1tffd+i8ju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1uegv+5hms@eGroups.com>


CMC:
> This is hysterically funny:
> 
> http://www.worldoflongmire.com/features/romance_novels/



Are those SERIOUSLY actual covers with just reworked text?  

And there are adults who are embarrassed to carry around a child's 
edition Harry Potter???  ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan








From joseph at kirtland.com  Thu Mar 24 19:12:43 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:12:43 -0000
Subject: Harlequin Romances - Reloaded!
In-Reply-To: <d1tffd+i8ju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d1v3fb+4lu3@eGroups.com>


Ahhh... and here I was expecting a scantly clad Hagar and Olympie 
snuggling.  Now, what to use for a title?

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> 
> This is hysterically funny:
> 
> http://www.worldoflongmire.com/features/romance_novels/
> 
>   - CMC






From blibbering_humdinger at yahoo.com.au  Fri Mar 25 02:32:15 2005
From: blibbering_humdinger at yahoo.com.au (blibbering_humdinger)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:32:15 -0000
Subject: CoS: Stone Motherless Last?
Message-ID: <d1vt7f+4hje@eGroups.com>


Ron:
Hi, everyone. I'm new to the group and was thus a little behind 
the times before I decided to do some "background reading" regarding 
past threads (don't want to rehash ideas long ago consigned to the 
murky depths of T-Bay).
I got the impression that many people consider, unequivocally, 
CoS to be the worst, or least good, of the HP installments. Why is 
that so, exactly? For me, personally, I'd put it up there with PoA 
as the *best* book in the series. (Wooden spoon goes to GoF)

Just a query.
 
Ronald.










From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 25 07:50:09 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:50:09 -0000
Subject: Harlequin Romances - Reloaded!
In-Reply-To: <d1uegv+5hms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d20frh+cn43@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> 
> CMC:
> > This is hysterically funny:
> > 
> > http://www.worldoflongmire.com/features/romance_novels/
> 
> 
> 
> Are those SERIOUSLY actual covers with just reworked text?  
> 
> And there are adults who are embarrassed to carry around a child's 
> edition Harry Potter???  ;-)
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Not me.  I proudly showed some guy on the plane my hardback copy of 
OOP, which I read so many times the spine was actually broken right 
down the middle.  I think he thought I was nuts.  Which I probably am.

I now have a paperback copy, too. 

imamommy






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 25 07:57:55 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:57:55 -0000
Subject: hypnobirthing
In-Reply-To: <d1tele+2n2s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d20ga3+8i7t@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kjirstem" 
<stonehenge.orders at v...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Heidi Tandy <heidi at h...> 
wrote:
>  
> > This go-round, I expect induction because last time, I went so 
fast, 
> > this time there's concern I wouldn't get to the hospital in time 
so 
> > hypnobirthing, here I come!
> 
> kjirstem:
> 
> Thumbs up on hypnobirthing!  I slept through most of labor thanks to
> that.  Sleeping through labor is far preferable to walking through
> labor (in my limited experience).

Didn't hypnobirth, but I did watch Sandra Bullock movies all day.

I was technically in labor with my daughter for, get this, a whole 
week.  I must have gone to the hospital four times, but it just 
wouldn't progress, so finally they induced me, one day before I would 
have been induced anyway.  I never knew it was possible to have 
contractions five minutes apart for a whole week!  They confirmed it 
wasn't prelabor, but they didn't want to do much until I was more 
dilated.

With my son, my water broke.  I labored on my own for nine hours, 
after which I was at a 1, so on with the pitiocen.

The one cool thing with my girl was that after a week of labor, I 
made it to a 4, so I got my epidural right after they started the 
pitocen drip.  I didn't feel anything until it was time to push.

imamommy
who'll leave natural births to those of you who have labors lasting 
less than 18 hours and babies smaller than 8 lbs, because I don't.






From larriepam2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 25 06:26:16 2005
From: larriepam2000 at yahoo.com (larriepam2000)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:26:16 -0000
Subject: Photos vs. Portraits
Message-ID: <d20au8+b63j@eGroups.com>


I got thinking last night about portraits that can talk, move, learn, 
travel, etc.  Why can't photos talk?  People can be told to move 
around by a wizard/witch (OotP) in a photo, so why can't they speak?  
Did Lilly and James have a portrait so they could talk to Harry if 
anything ever was to happen to them? And if not, why not? James and 
Lilly must have enough money to have one done. They made arrangement 
with Sirius for him to be Harry's Godfather so why not one step 
further?
I am sorry if this has been talked to death but (what hasn't) I 
couldn't find anything in the archives.  






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 25 12:20:00 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:20:00 -0000
Subject: Harlequin Romances - Reloaded!
In-Reply-To: <d20frh+cn43@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d20vlg+sesd@eGroups.com>


imamommy:
> Not me.  I proudly showed some guy on the plane my hardback copy of 
> OOP, which I read so many times the spine was actually broken right 
> down the middle.  I think he thought I was nuts.  Which I probably 
> am.
> 
> I now have a paperback copy, too. 
 

SSSusan:
Me too, imamommy.  I almost always have one of the books with me when 
I'm at one of my kids' sports or music lessons, and I'm sure some 
people thought I was a bit weird -- esp. when I was jotting down 
notes. (But, hey, I was leading a PoA GR on a different list, and I 
needed to make notes! :-))  Besides, it's an hour where you're 
trapped with nothing much to do, so why not??  

My PoA hardback is now losing chunks of pages and will have to be 
replaced, like your OoP.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 25 12:22:40 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:22:40 -0000
Subject: Photos vs. Portraits
In-Reply-To: <d20au8+b63j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d20vqg+8a94@eGroups.com>


larriepam2000 wrote:
> I got thinking last night about portraits that can talk, move, 
> learn, travel, etc.  Why can't photos talk?  


SSSusan:
A couple of suggestions I've heard are that there is something 
magical in the paint used... or that perhaps a little "piece" of the 
person is used in the paint [kind of like polyjuice potion], which 
gives it "life" -- something which can't be done with a photograph.

Just a thought.
Siriusly Snapey Susan







From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 25 12:58:31 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:58:31 -0000
Subject: CoS: Stone Motherless Last?
In-Reply-To: <d1vt7f+4hje@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d211tn+i5fu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "blibbering_humdinger"
<blibbering_humdinger at y...> wrote:
> 
> Ron:
> Hi, everyone. I'm new to the group and was thus a little behind 
> the times before I decided to do some "background reading" regarding 
> past threads (don't want to rehash ideas long ago consigned to the 
> murky depths of T-Bay).
> I got the impression that many people consider, unequivocally, 
> CoS to be the worst, or least good, of the HP installments. Why is 
> that so, exactly? For me, personally, I'd put it up there with PoA 
> as the *best* book in the series. (Wooden spoon goes to GoF)
> 
> Just a query.
>  
> Ronald.

That's a shock to me too as I tend to rank COS right up there with my
favourites. But then again I couldn't pick a least favourite of the
series if you used brute force on me. ;D

Welcome to the group Ronald.

Valky








From mphunt at sprintmail.com  Fri Mar 25 15:24:16 2005
From: mphunt at sprintmail.com (Tracy Hunt)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:24:16 -0000
Subject: hardback condition was: Harlequin Romances - Reloaded!
In-Reply-To: <d20vlg+sesd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d21af0+ea3a@eGroups.com>


imamommy:
Not me.  I proudly showed some guy on the plane my hardback copy of 
OOP, which I read so many times the spine was actually broken right 
down the middle.  I think he thought I was nuts.  Which I probably 
am.

I now have a paperback copy, too. 
 
 
SSSusan:
Me too, imamommy.  I almost always have one of the books with me when 
I'm at one of my kids' sports or music lessons, and I'm sure some 
people thought I was a bit weird -- esp. when I was jotting down 
notes. (But, hey, I was leading a PoA GR on a different list, and I 
needed to make notes! :-))  Besides, it's an hour where you're 
trapped with nothing much to do, so why not??  

My PoA hardback is now losing chunks of pages and will have to be 
replaced, like your OoP.


Tcy:
I have to agree with imamommy and SSSusan!  I'd much rather be seen 
with a copy of my HP books than any of those romance things (well - 
maybe the altered one's would be fun to carry for a laugh).

I also must agree with the sad state of my HP books.  My PS/SS 
hardback (the oldest, of course) drops pages by the chapter and the 
spines on all of them are in dreadful shape.  I know I should replace 
them but the thought of reading the story from a crisp, new copy is 
awful.  These books are well worn with love.  Everyone in my family 
has read from these books.

Tcy 
(who for some strange reason, has no problem with the sad state of 
her HP bindings but would never allow anyone to 'dog ear' the pages)






From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Fri Mar 25 19:53:31 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Brenda)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:53:31 -0000
Subject: When will Jo answer
Message-ID: <d21q7r+imhv@eGroups.com>


Is anyone else going nuts waiting for Jo to answer the last FAQ poll 
on her site. It's been about 4 months since the poll was put up. I 
know she has been blessed with a new baby this past January and is 
very busy, but just wondered who else is obsessed with the answer and 
next poll question. Is there an end in site. I was hoping for 
a "Happy Easter" answer:)
Luckdragon






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Fri Mar 25 23:32:58 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:32:58 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] When will Jo answer
Message-ID: <25.5c0d48e1.2f75f9aa@aol.com>

I was hoping for a few Easter eggs too....What do you think she'll say  about 
Neville's part in the Prophecy?
 
Shalimar


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From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Sat Mar 26 01:12:55 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee Chase)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:12:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] When will Jo answer
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050326011255.12553.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>



shalimar07 at aol.com wrote:
I was hoping for a few Easter eggs too....What do you think she'll say  about 
Neville's part in the Prophecy?

Shalimar


Luckdragon:

I've no guesses, just hoping he is in some way involved. I have the feeling we'll just get the same answer Dumbledore gave.

I'm just feeling so in limbo waiting for the next book that any news would be better than none.



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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 02:08:27 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:08:27 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] When will Jo answer
Message-ID: <1a6.34901b15.2f761e1b@aol.com>

I think Neville has a big part to play at the end but not what everyone  
seams to think. I don't think he's going to be Neville the Thunder Stealer and  
run in and kill Voldy or save Harry. I think it may have more to do with the  
reason he's so forgetful.  Maybe there's a reason he can't remember those  
passwords. Maybe his mother is really trying to tell him something on the bubble  
gum wrappers. (maybe a password to something else...Maybe the locked door in 
the  Department of Ministries)
 
;)  Shalimar


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From blibbering_humdinger at yahoo.com.au  Sat Mar 26 02:26:55 2005
From: blibbering_humdinger at yahoo.com.au (blibbering_humdinger)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 02:26:55 -0000
Subject: When will Jo answer
In-Reply-To: <20050326011255.12553.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d22h9f+nqah@eGroups.com>



> shalimar07 at a... wrote:
> I was hoping for a few Easter eggs too....What do you think she'll 
say  about 
> Neville's part in the Prophecy?
> 
> Shalimar
> 
>
 
> Luckdragon:
> 
> I've no guesses, just hoping he is in some way involved. I have 
the feeling we'll just get the same answer Dumbledore gave.
> 
> I'm just feeling so in limbo waiting for the next book that any 
news would be better than none.
> 
> 

Ron: 
Hi, guys! What stage of the process are we actually at with regard 
to the production of the finished manuscript, I wonder? I know the 
editing stage is pretty hectic for all concerned, but hasn't that 
stage been dealt with already? (Yes, I'm very ignorant as to how a 
book is produced!). 

JKR is pretty busy with the baby in any case, so I guess the lack of 
news is understandable. Still, it would be nice, as Luckdragon says, 
if we could get *something* to placate us, at least momentarily!


Ronald, returning with a heavy heart to the drudgery of household 
chores




 









From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 26 03:06:33 2005
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:06:33 -0000
Subject: New format
Message-ID: <d22jjp+4aq2@eGroups.com>


So, what does everyone think of Yahoo Groups new format?  I always 
find it disconcerting when things like this get changed (I'm a 
creature of habit), but I think I'm going to like it once I get used 
to it.

imamommy






From bumbledore at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 04:34:50 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:34:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New format
References: <d22jjp+4aq2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c531bd$264d0950$41790b18@cauldron1>

OMG, I didn't even know they changed it.. And I run 2 groups.. I flamed them
for it. I hate the new style.



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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:06 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New format


>
>
> So, what does everyone think of Yahoo Groups new format?  I always
> find it disconcerting when things like this get changed (I'm a
> creature of habit), but I think I'm going to like it once I get used
> to it.
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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 04:51:42 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:51:42 -0000
Subject: New format
In-Reply-To: <001b01c531bd$264d0950$41790b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d22pou+72js@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" <bumbledore at c...> 
wrote:
> OMG, I didn't even know they changed it.. And I run 2 groups.. I 
flamed them
> for it. I hate the new style.
> 

Tonks here:

I really hate this. Hate it!  I wrote to them. Why can't they just 
leave well enough alone. If it ain't broke don't fix it.  They are 
always fixing it... changing something just when you get use to it one 
way.  I don't like change either. And it is harder to follow the post, 
we don't need more than one line. Who comes up with these crazy ideas 
anyway?  It just sucks!!

Tonks






From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 26 04:58:35 2005
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (Dan Feeney)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:58:35 -0000
Subject: New format
In-Reply-To: <d22pou+72js@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d22q5r+t5p@eGroups.com>


bumbledore:
> > OMG, I didn't even know they changed it.. And I run 2 groups.. I 
> flamed them
> > for it. I hate the new style.

Tonks here:
> I really hate this. Hate it!  I wrote to them. 

Yunno, it's the amount of screen space it all takes up - double what it 
did before, and no way to customized the home page of groups when you 
log on, and only groups of which you are owner show up on that page, 
and no reply link at the top of the page and and and...

and I'm not used to so much white space.....

gah

Dan






From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Sat Mar 26 05:17:57 2005
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:17:57 EST
Subject: a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
Message-ID: <30.6f29dc2f.2f764a85@aol.com>

Hi! This is defiantly OT, but I would really appreciate feedback on  this.
 
OK, I just took an EPT certianty pregnancy test, (the kind that says 
"pregnant" or "not pregnant" in a digital window.) and it said "NOT 
PREGNANT" however, when I ejected the test strip, there where 2 
lines.  One was considerably fainter than the other, but still 2  lines.  
I had a friend who had the same happen to her and she IS pregnant. 
I had taken one a few months before and there was a "Not Pregnant"
read out but only 1 line.  Has anyone else heard of this  happening?  
Should I consider this as pregnant or not pregnant??  
 
Thanks!
Chancie


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 06:36:13 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:36:13 -0000
Subject: New format
In-Reply-To: <d22jjp+4aq2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d22vst+47pl@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:
> 
> So, what does everyone think of Yahoo Groups new format?  I always 
> find it disconcerting when things like this get changed (I'm a 
> creature of habit), but I think I'm going to like it once I get used 
> to it.
> 
> imamommy

bboyminn:

Unbelievably space INEFFICIENT. 

The font for the post titles/subject lines is not even a font I use.

I discovered there is a way to change it. I'm using Mozilla, but there
has to be an equivalent feature in Internet Explorer. Go to the font
selection area of your browse (in the Setup or Preferences), in
Mozilla there is a check box to prevent webpages from using a font
other than you ones you have selected. Uncheck this, and the subject
heading will return to their usual look.

Even with that change, there is an unbelievable amount of wasted space
on the screen. 

Also, sorting with the newest at the top. I guess I can see why the
did it, they want the most recent posts at the top, BUT what I want at
or near the top is the place where I left off reading posts. So, I
would prefer oldest on the top. 

I guess I could get used to it, but if they really want to make some
changes, instead of wasting their time and ours with cosmetic changes,
they could fix the crappy search engine the provide us.

Didn't they bother to test market this off line? Didn't the do any
usability studies? What kind of organization are these people running?

Blah!

Steve






From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 07:05:40 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Jenny H)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:05:40 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
References: <30.6f29dc2f.2f764a85@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c531d2$647612c0$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>

Going back more years than I care to admit, to the first time I got
pregnant, I had much the same thing happen at the doctor's office.
The initial test said not pregnant, but another test just two weeks
later was positive. The doctor's explanation - the test measures
is the level of certain hormones in your system. Until these hormones
reach minimum levels, you will test negative. When your body has
produced sufficient hormones, you will test positive. According to
my doctor at the time, you can have a negative reading and it be
wrong, but you cannot get a false positive. It would probably be
a good idea to wait 10 days to 2 weeks and take the test again.
Jenny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:17 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms


  Hi! This is defiantly OT, but I would really appreciate feedback on  this.

  OK, I just took an EPT certianty pregnancy test, (the kind that says 
  "pregnant" or "not pregnant" in a digital window.) and it said "NOT 
  PREGNANT" however, when I ejected the test strip, there where 2 
  lines.  One was considerably fainter than the other, but still 2  lines.  
  I had a friend who had the same happen to her and she IS pregnant. 
  I had taken one a few months before and there was a "Not Pregnant"
  read out but only 1 line.  Has anyone else heard of this  happening?  
  Should I consider this as pregnant or not pregnant??  

  Thanks!
  Chancie




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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 07:40:05 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:40:05 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
Message-ID: <d233kl+fiot@eGroups.com>


Here is a copy of an email I sent to Yahoo Feedback regarding the
recent cosmetic changes to the format.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Date: Sat. March 26, 2005

Subject: New Groups Format Change - What were you thinking?

What were you thinking with these new cosmetic changes to the Yahoo
Groups? 

Don't you do test market and usability studies before you roll these
things out?

1.) Space INEFFICIENT - On the All Groups List and on the Groups
Message List pages, how did you manage to take LESS information and
make it take up more than TWICE as much space? Clean and compact is
MUCH better than pointless horizontal lines, equally pointless
formatting, and further pointless icons and graphics.

2.) Fonts - How arrogant are you to think that you know better than I
do what fonts I want to see on my screen? 

3. Sorting Messages - Why screw around with it? If you really wanted
to help, instead of pointless cosmetic changes, you would actually
improve the service and let each user determine their own Sorting and
Threading. Barring that unlikely event, leave things the way they
originally were. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

4.) Go To Message Number - Near the Search Box, there used to be a box
that allowed you to jump directly to a message by typing in the
Message Number. What happened to that? Certainly, it is rarely used on
porn groups, but in real discussion groups with thousands of members
discussing thousands of posts, that [Go To #] feature was invaluable.

5.) Message Numbers - Where are the message numbers on the Groups
Message List page? Again, in porn groups, who cares, but I'm a member
of a group that has over 13,000 members and 125,000 posts, and we are
involved in serious discussions. Those message numbers are critical to
finding old posts we can reference in current discussion.

6.) Search Feature - Please explain to me how a company that made it's
name as a Search Engine can have such an unbelievably CRAPPY Search
feature in its Groups? It's the worst. Nearly worthless.

If you really wanted to help, you would actually improve the service
and expand the available features (like the Search capability),
instead of dumping on us the illusion of improvement in the form of
pointless inefficient cosmetic changes. 

Further, we, your subscribers, are not stupid, and we are not fooled
into believing you have actually improved anything with superficial
changes. 

Competition is growing, if you don't start ACTUALLY improving, you may
end up seeing a mass migration to more full featured and user friendly
services.

Steve/bboyminn
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

If you wish to use this in whole or in part for your own response to
Yahoo, feel free to do so.

Steve







From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 12:50:12 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:50:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
In-Reply-To: <003d01c531d2$647612c0$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>
Message-ID: <20050326125013.7683.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>

Another option would be to try a different brand.  Good luck on which ever way you are hoping.  I have 3 (22,19,and11) and they make good little slaves!! 
 
moonmyyst

 It would probably be
a good idea to wait 10 days to 2 weeks and take the test again.
Jenny

		
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 16:02:27 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:02:27 -0000
Subject: everything's changing...
Message-ID: <d2412j+dklc@eGroups.com>


No, I don't like it.  I'm reading the posts in order and I have to 
select 'previous' how stupid is that?
There's too much white space, and I can't see where I'm up to.
Like everything I'll probably get used to it , and I like to think I'm 
more dynamic and flexible than everyone else ... until everything in MY 
world changes of course!!
Regarding the pregnancy test I'd repeat it again in a few days (have 
you missed a period yet?) and/or try a different brand.
Sarah xx
PS just finished reading GoF again and cried (again) when the prior 
incantentem happened - I'm just so soft!!
PPS - do all you non-brits know that our clocks go forward to BST 
tonight?  Do you do this over the pond too?
definitely finished now. Bye






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 16:14:28 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:14:28 -0000
Subject: Time Change
In-Reply-To: <d2412j+dklc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d241p4+99an@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> 
> PPS - do all you non-brits know that our clocks go forward to BST 
> tonight?  Do you do this over the pond too?

Tonks here:

We have Daylight Savings Time here in the U.S. I don't know when it 
changes. Guess I'd better check!!

Tonks_op







From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 16:21:18 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:21:18 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Time Change
Message-ID: <158.4d7a9578.2f76e5fe@aol.com>

I believe time change in the US is Next Week...Spring forward 1 hour.... In  
the Fall it's 'Fall back  1 hour.  Its the only way i can  remember.
 
 


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Mar 26 16:41:42 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:41:42 -0500
Subject: Y!G software option Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] everything's changing...
In-Reply-To: <d2412j+dklc@eGroups.com>
References: <d2412j+dklc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050326084160a6f175@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:02:27 -0000, Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:

> No, I don't like it.  I'm reading the posts in order and I have to
> select 'previous' how stupid is that?
> There's too much white space, and I can't see where I'm up to.
> Like everything I'll probably get used to it , and I like to think 

I recently found out about http://pgoffline.com/

Another option and the creator is working on a new patch for the Y!G
changes.  Wish I knew about this earlier back when my messages were
bouncing like crazy--nightmare to figure out 300+ bounced emails
across 100+groups, let alone now because I used to copy&paste Y!G
message listings to Excel and compare/contrast to a similar listing
from webmail.


> PS just finished reading GoF again and cried (again) when the prior
> incantentem happened - I'm just so soft!!

Yeah, one of my favorite 'aww' moments. {g}


> PPS - do all you non-brits know that our clocks go forward to BST
> tonight?  Do you do this over the pond too?

Yep, US also has 'daylight saving' but certain parts such as Indiana
are peculiar timezone areas where they don't do daylight saving
http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/indiana_time_zone.shtml

I remember having to call Terre Haute/Brazil, Indiana because of a job
and being confused on what time.

Dina



From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 17:06:12 2005
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:06:12 -0000
Subject: a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
In-Reply-To: <30.6f29dc2f.2f764a85@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d244q4+89l3@eGroups.com>


My experience is this...every home pregnancy test I have ever taken 
has been negative (not pregnant). My 15 month-old son is sleeping in 
the next room. I see a discrepancy there, and therefore don't put a 
whole lot of stock into home-pregnancy tests. Good luck-whichever way 
you are hoping!

-Barb






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 17:27:25 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:27:25 -0000
Subject: Y!G software option Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] everything's changing...
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050326084160a6f175@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d2461t+frgt@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:02:27 -0000, Sarah <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> 
> > No, I don't like it.  I'm reading the posts in order and I have to
> > select 'previous' how stupid is that?
> > There's too much white space, and I can't see where I'm up to.
> > Like everything I'll probably get used to it , and I like to 
think 

Dina:
> I recently found out about http://pgoffline.com/
> 
> Another option and the creator is working on a new patch for the Y!G
> changes.  Wish I knew about this earlier back when my messages were
> bouncing like crazy--nightmare to figure out 300+ bounced emails
> across 100+groups, let alone now because I used to copy&paste Y!G
> message listings to Excel and compare/contrast to a similar listing
> from webmail.
> 

Carolyn:
Have you tried this software, Dina? It looks very useful - if it 
works. The user group seems to be doing a lot of patching and 
upgrading though, which could be a bore.







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 18:27:27 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:27:27 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
In-Reply-To: <d233kl+fiot@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d249if+ign2@eGroups.com>


Steve:

> Subject: New Groups Format Change - What were you thinking?
> 
> What were you thinking with these new cosmetic changes to the Yahoo
> Groups? 
> 
> Don't you do test market and usability studies before you roll 
these
> things out?

Alla:

Steve, thank you SO much. I think I may just copy and paste your e-
mail and send it. Grrr. I did not know what to do yesterday - scream 
at my computer or just rolll my eyes. :)

Steve:
> 4.) Go To Message Number - Near the Search Box, there used to be a 
box
> that allowed you to jump directly to a message by typing in the
> Message Number. What happened to that? Certainly, it is rarely 
used on
> porn groups, but in real discussion groups with thousands of 
members
> discussing thousands of posts, that [Go To #] feature was 
invaluable.

Alla:

Yes, I just discovered this fact now. So, if I did not bookmarked 
the post I find useful, but have the message number, I cannot just 
go there anymore. Very helpful, NOT.


Steve:
5.) Message Numbers - Where are the message numbers on the Groups
Message List page? Again, in porn groups, who cares, but I'm a member
of a group that has over 13,000 members and 125,000 posts, and we are
involved in serious discussions. Those message numbers are critical 
to finding old posts we can reference in current discussion.


Alla:

LOL about porn groups. :) and agree otherwise.


Steve:
If you wish to use this in whole or in part for your own response to
Yahoo, feel free to do so.

Alla:

As I said, I may just do that. At first I thought that it is just me 
being computer dummy again, but it is kind of comforting to see that 
I am not alone on this one. :)








From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 26 18:58:34 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:58:34 -0000
Subject: Y!G software option Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] everything's changing...
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050326084160a6f175@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d24bcq+2d2p@eGroups.com>


-> Yep, US also has 'daylight saving' but certain parts such as Indiana
> are peculiar timezone areas where they don't do daylight saving
> http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/indiana_time_zone.shtml
> 
> I remember having to call Terre Haute/Brazil, Indiana because of a 
job
> and being confused on what time.
> 
> Dina


Speaking as a Hoosier, I can confirm that we are peculiar in this way 
(if not in several ways!).  

I HATE not having daylight savings time.  Not to mention the fact that 
*portions* of our state do shift with states around us.  So if you 
live up near Chicago, your clocks may well change, but if you're 
talking to a friend in Indy, s/he won't have had the clock change.  
It's insane.  There are even cities where different offices within the 
city [read: federal gov't. workers or state gov't. workers] are on 
different times from the rest of the city!

Hoosiers can be very contrary people.  Legislation has been introduced 
to have us do Daylight Savings Time, but they can't even agree on 
whether we'd go with the East Coast or go with Chicago.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat Mar 26 19:14:08 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:14:08 -0800
Subject: Y!G Changes
References: <d249if+ign2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c53237$fd2b7180$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

I like it!  I'm a style person and I
love the new look.  Since I rarely
visit except to check information/start
a new group/do matinece it doesn't bug
me.

...although I did realize how many of
my groups dont' have main pictures..I
should find them some just to make the
'My Group' area look cute.

I'm digging the little message previews
on the home page, way helpful when I'm
trying to find a post I know I just
sent (trust me, with 70+ groups, this
is a good thing).

Saitaina
I've had sugar!
****
"'Do yourself a favor and leave that
lid on for a minute.  If you take it
off you'll mace yourself."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 19:27:21 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:27:21 EST
Subject: Anyone have Chapter Indexes of audio books?
Message-ID: <be.2576445d.2f771199@aol.com>

Recently, a bad cold had me in bed and too tired to  hold up a book.  
Listening to them, on the other hand, was just fine. I  have a CD index to Order of 
the Phoenix, thanks to file in our library. Knowing  what chapter was on which 
CD/track was wonderful.
 
_OoP_CD_Index.xls_ 
(http://f3.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MLFFQrmdKpe7QPClKyl8G5WHo7hg45O7Vh1RCSmoDKXBWkk5Mdv2rDiDyW7Vc7-kjtgK2Fn-oiBchf7lItAePVLYUGlqb6mw/OoP_CD_Ind
ex.xls)  
Chapter index of OoP on  CD as read by Jim Dale 
 
I'd love to have indexes for the other books. Does  anyone have them or know 
where to find them? Searching the web was  fruitless.
 
Thanks!
 
---Mary


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 19:52:27 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:52:27 -0000
Subject: New format
In-Reply-To: <d22vst+47pl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d24ehr+e5g0@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > So, what does everyone think of Yahoo Groups new format?  >Snip<
> > 
> > imamommy
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Unbelievably space INEFFICIENT. 
> 
> Snip< 
> Also, sorting with the newest at the top. I guess I can see why the
> did it, they want the most recent posts at the top, BUT what I 
want at or near the top is the place where I left off reading posts. 
So, I would prefer oldest on the top. 
> 
> I guess I could get used to it, but if they really want to make 
some changes, instead of wasting their time and ours with cosmetic 
changes, they could fix the crappy search engine the provide us.
> 
> Didn't they bother to test market this off line? Didn't the do any
> usability studies? What kind of organization are these people 
running?
> 
> Blah!
> 
> Steve

*****\(@@)/*****

Maybe I am becoming a creature of habit but this is very 
disconcerting and difficult to use! It took me a while to figure out 
what to click to go from one message to the next. Looks like 
Yahoomort has learned the Peter Principle very well!

The least they could have done was show us what they were planning 
to do and poll people. Also I agree, fix the crappy search engine! 
Lord knows what they plan to do with the chat! It is bad enough 
without them trying to "fix" it also!

Dudemom_2000

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From ginny343 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 19:50:32 2005
From: ginny343 at yahoo.com (ginny343)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:50:32 -0000
Subject: How to get HBP in Mexico this summer?
Message-ID: <d24ee8+4o2e@eGroups.com>



    I am wondering if anyone out there knows how good Amazon's 
delivery service really is . . . especially out of country (US).
    I will be spending the summer in Mexico, far south and not near 
Mexico City.  Although I will be in a capital city, I don't think I 
will be able to buy HBP when it comes out on July 16th.  Which is 
really disappointing for me, because not only am I just as anxious 
as everyone else to read it, I don't see myself having time to read 
much when I am back in the states.  However, I will have plenty of 
time to read when I am in Mexico (and I will definitely be in Mexico 
until the second week of August).
    I have written to Amazon and they have replied that they plan to 
deliver the books on July 16th, even out of the US.  However, my 
experience with regular mail and Federal Express to Mexico makes me 
doubtful.  The few things I have sent/received have averaged a wait 
of 3-4 weeks before delivery.
    I don't know if anyone has any experience or advise for me.  It 
looks like it will cost about $12 more for the delivery to Mexico, 
which I will happily pay if I can really read the book this summer!

Ginny343










From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 20:56:33 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:56:33 -0000
Subject: New Format - Go to Message# Feature Missing
Message-ID: <d24ia1+709a@eGroups.com>


I've already pointed out that the box that lets you jump directly to a
post by entering its number is no longer available. 

Hoping against all hope, I thought they might have incorporated that
feature into the Search feature. So I tried searching for '25000' as a
test.

First, because the Search feature only searches a small block of
posts, I had to select [Next] several times to finally get the search
in range, and then it searched right past 25000 without finding it.

In large discussion groups, that Go to Msg# feature was a huge asset.
Of all the new changes that one change is really going make using this
newgroup more difficult. If someone references a post number, there is
no way to get back to it other than to hit the [Previous] button a few
hundred times.

I'm not sure if Yahoo really understands how badly they are screwing
themselves. Someone else pointed out that there are Yahoo Groups
Readers, program similar to email programs, that will allow you to
read Yahoo groups locally on your computer. In a sense it down loads
the group into your computer, which then allows you to sort, thread,
search, save, respond, etc.... These programs are very similar to the
newsgroup readers that work with the old Usenet Newsgroup except it
has been specifically customized for Yahoo.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26581
which leads to
http://pgoffline.com/

Also-
http://www.netwu.com/yahoobin/
http://www.groupfetch.com/

I'm not endorsing these as I haven't tried them, but given the new
changes, they are suddenly looking very appealing.

That's great for us, but it remove the eyeballs necessary to support
Yahoo advertising. I don't feel bad about that. If Yahoo can't suport
me, why should I support it. 

Just passing it along.

Steve






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 21:10:11 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:10:11 -0000
Subject: New Format - Go to Message# Missing - YIKES!
In-Reply-To: <d24ia1+709a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d24j3j+513i@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> If someone references a post number, there is no way to get back to 
> it other than to hit the [Previous] button a few hundred times.
> 
> ...edited...
> Just passing it along.
> 
> Steve

Yikes! It just occurred to me you can't find an old post by its
message number by paging back through the messages because the Message
List no long includes post numbers.

So, how on earth can you find an old post number; you can't jump to
it, you can't search it, and you can't find it because the post
numbers are gone. 

THANKS YAHOO!.


Steve







From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 21:46:01 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:46:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Time Change
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050326214601.73446.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>

Next saturday night/sunday morning.  I have to work next weekend so I get 1 less hour of sleep.  (which really is a pain when you have to get up at 4:00am!!)
 
moonmyyst

shalimar07 at aol.com wrote:
I believe time change in the US is Next Week...Spring forward 1 hour.... In  
the Fall it's 'Fall back  1 hour.  Its the only way i can  remember.



		
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From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Sat Mar 26 22:04:25 2005
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:04:25 -0000
Subject: How to get HBP in Mexico this summer?
In-Reply-To: <d24ee8+4o2e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d24m99+42k5@eGroups.com>


Hi Ginny, 

I am mexican and will tell you my experience. When OoP came out I 
traveled to my nearest U.S. city to get my copy because I didn't 
want to wait, but I also ordered online from a mexican store called 
Sanborns, as a back up plan :) It took a week (or less, I don't 
remember) to arrive, but the book was sent ground shipping from 
Mexico City and I live up north. I remember some people telling me 
that the book was out in some major book stores here on Saturday 
morning, so my trip was more or less useless. I think you can check 
if there are major bookstores in the city you are visiting, you may 
want to check Sanborns, Gonvill, Cristal. Feel free to ask more 
questions if this was not very clear. 

Gabriela

 
>     I am wondering if anyone out there knows how good Amazon's 
> delivery service really is . . . especially out of country (US).
>     I will be spending the summer in Mexico, far south and not 
near 
> Mexico City.  Although I will be in a capital city, I don't think 
I 
> will be able to buy HBP when it comes out on July 16th.  Which is 
> really disappointing for me, because not only am I just as anxious 
> as everyone else to read it, I don't see myself having time to 
read 
> much when I am back in the states.  However, I will have plenty of 
> time to read when I am in Mexico (and I will definitely be in 
Mexico 
> until the second week of August).
>     I have written to Amazon and they have replied that they plan 
to 
> deliver the books on July 16th, even out of the US.  However, my 
> experience with regular mail and Federal Express to Mexico makes 
me 
> doubtful.  The few things I have sent/received have averaged a 
wait 
> of 3-4 weeks before delivery.
>     I don't know if anyone has any experience or advise for me.  
It 
> looks like it will cost about $12 more for the delivery to Mexico, 
> which I will happily pay if I can really read the book this summer!
> 
> Ginny343






From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 22:38:06 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:38:06 -0000
Subject: New Format - Go to Message# Missing - YIKES!
In-Reply-To: <d24j3j+513i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d24o8e+p2h6@eGroups.com>




> Steve:
> 
> Yikes! It just occurred to me you can't find an old post by its
> message number by paging back through the messages because the 
Message
> List no long includes post numbers.
> 
> So, how on earth can you find an old post number; you can't jump to
> it, you can't search it, and you can't find it because the post
> numbers are gone. 
> 
> THANKS YAHOO!.
> 
> 
> Steve

catkind:  I don't think this one's a disaster, you can just go to a 
different message and edit the message number on the end of the URL. 
So your message is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/26591
or message #26591, and I can change that 26591 to 25000 to get 
message #25000. Or am I misunderstanding the problem?

Still daft of Yahoo to remove such a handy feature.
catkind 









From hermionesmum at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 26 22:55:12 2005
From: hermionesmum at yahoo.com (Sam Edwards)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:55:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050326225512.59415.qmail@web61002.mail.yahoo.com>



chnc1024 at AOL.COM wrote:

OK, I just took an EPT certianty pregnancy test, (the kind that says 
"pregnant" or "not pregnant" in a digital window.) and it said "NOT 
PREGNANT" however, when I ejected the test strip, there where 2 
lines.  One was considerably fainter than the other, but still 2  lines.  
I had a friend who had the same happen to her and she IS pregnant. 
I had taken one a few months before and there was a "Not Pregnant"
read out but only 1 line.  Has anyone else heard of this  happening?  
Should I consider this as pregnant or not pregnant??  

Thanks!
Chancie


Hi Chancie,

           You must be tearing your hair out not knowing! I've never heard of these digital tests but I always got a clear, accurate answer with the blue-line-in-the-window variety. It might help to try testing with the first wee in the morning, (more concentrated hormones in the urine.)

Good luck, whichever you're hoping for.

Sam


		
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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 23:05:20 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:20 -0000
Subject: Y!G Changes
In-Reply-To: <003f01c53237$fd2b7180$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d24prg+nbtf@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:

Saitaina:
> I like it!  I'm a style person and I
> love the new look.  Since I rarely
> visit except to check information/start
> a new group/do matinece it doesn't bug
> me.

Geoff:
I don't mind if the style of a product is changed as long as the damned 
product still works at least as efficiently as it did before the 
revamp....






From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Mar 26 23:32:54 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:32:54 -0000
Subject: How to get HBP in Mexico this summer?
In-Reply-To: <d24ee8+4o2e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d24rf6+2gmi@eGroups.com>


Hi Ginny,

Though I live in the US, I have ordered from Amazon.UK (United
Kingdom) and Amazon.DE (Germany) on several occasions for delivery
within the US.  International shipping has been exceptional.

I don't doubt that Amazon.com USA should be any less efficient. 
However, I can't speak for the Mexican post office - if there are any
issues, that may be where the weak link is in delivery.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ginny343" <ginny343 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I am wondering if anyone out there knows how good Amazon's 
> delivery service really is . . . especially out of country (US).
>     I will be spending the summer in Mexico, far south and not near 
> Mexico City.  Although I will be in a capital city, I don't think I 
> will be able to buy HBP when it comes out on July 16th.  Which is 
> really disappointing for me, because not only am I just as anxious 
> as everyone else to read it, I don't see myself having time to read 
> much when I am back in the states.  However, I will have plenty of 
> time to read when I am in Mexico (and I will definitely be in Mexico 
> until the second week of August).
>     I have written to Amazon and they have replied that they plan to 
> deliver the books on July 16th, even out of the US.  However, my 
> experience with regular mail and Federal Express to Mexico makes me 
> doubtful.  The few things I have sent/received have averaged a wait 
> of 3-4 weeks before delivery.
>     I don't know if anyone has any experience or advise for me.  It 
> looks like it will cost about $12 more for the delivery to Mexico, 
> which I will happily pay if I can really read the book this summer!
> 
> Ginny343






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 00:28:16 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:28:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Y!G Changes
In-Reply-To: <003f01c53237$fd2b7180$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
References: <d249if+ign2@eGroups.com>
	 <003f01c53237$fd2b7180$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1a273840050326162832426708@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:14:08 -0800, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> my groups dont' have main pictures..I
> should find them some just to make the
> 'My Group' area look cute.

Actually, before I noticed the poor message navigation, I wanted those
group pictures *gone*.  They annoyed me... They were like seeing more
'advertisements' and distracting.

I'd rather have a stripped down site as long as navigation was easy
and discussion/fanfic was interesting.  I couldn't care less about how
'pretty' a site looked.  I like performance... just as I like
personality in the long run more than a 'pretty face'.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.  I don't mind change as
long as *good* features aren't lost and a plus for me is site
efficiency... which is why I have my LJ f-list set for the Lynx
option.

I'm like that with shopping... I just want to get in, find what I
need, and get out.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 00:46:41 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:46:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Format - Go to Message# Feature Missing
In-Reply-To: <d24ia1+709a@eGroups.com>
References: <d24ia1+709a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400503261646494ff123@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:56:33 -0000, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've already pointed out that the box that lets you jump directly to a
> post by entering its number is no longer available.

Though, then they'll probably say 'you can still do
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/[insertGroupName]/message/[insertGroupNumber]'
 'logic'.

I do wish they'd give the option of different user interface
styles--give the option of new or old.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 01:43:52 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:43:52 -0500
Subject: Y!G software option Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] everything's changing...
In-Reply-To: <d2461t+frgt@eGroups.com>
References: <1a273840050326084160a6f175@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d2461t+frgt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050326174360fc73a5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:27:25 -0000, carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:

> Have you tried this software, Dina? It looks very useful - if it
> works. The user group seems to be doing a lot of patching and
> upgrading though, which could be a bore.

I haven't but Peja does and she's on hundreds of Y!G lists and seemed
content with the program.

Last I heard, the creator of PGOffline will have the patch ready to go
by next week and the software gives a trial period for free.

I'm thinking about trying out the program.  I was a usenet gal before
mailing lists became popular.  The option of downloading could be
useful when I finally get irked with Gmail's threading or Gmail starts
heavily bouncing messages.  For folks with space on their hard drives
but not in their email accounts, this could be useful.

I just wish I could download my LJ flists in full too.  I'm only on
March 13-14 and LJ 'expires' messages from f-lists after fourteen
days.  Folks think the Y!G interface is bad?  Try most of the HP
fandom's concept of 'design': big images and squish the text into
small boxes with smaller text.  If these were art forums, sure, go for
it; but they're not, they're discussion and fanfic where legibility of
*text* is IMPORTANT.

{sigh}  Then again, I also have to deal with 'teen angst' folk like:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/wonder_rock/25733.html
and
http://www.livejournal.com/users/wonder_rock/25982.html

Huh?  Err, I get along fairly well with a couple mods of
Glassesreflect and sorta okay with a couple more.

I feel... pity for her and that irks me to feel sorry for a person
when I shouldn't.

Dina



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 27 05:02:01 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 27 Mar 2005 05:02:01 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1111899721.17.49879.m25@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 27, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 27 06:13:39 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:13:39 -0000
Subject: a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
In-Reply-To: <30.6f29dc2f.2f764a85@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d25iuj+pd17@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
> Hi! This is defiantly OT, but I would really appreciate feedback on
 this.
>  
> OK, I just took an EPT certianty pregnancy test, (the kind that says 
> "pregnant" or "not pregnant" in a digital window.) and it said "NOT 
> PREGNANT" however, when I ejected the test strip, there where 2 
> lines.  One was considerably fainter than the other, but still 2 
lines.    
> Should I consider this as pregnant or not pregnant??  
>  
> Thanks!
> Chancie


Valky:
Hi Chancie, when testing for my second pregnancy I had a similar
result first time round. The reason I went back and tested again was
because instinctively I knew I was right and the test was wrong. 
The only thing to do in your position is take it as inconclusive.  

Like others have said, take another test and good luck with either way
that you hope for. 









From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar 27 09:23:33 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:23:33 -0000
Subject: How to get HBP in Mexico this summer?
In-Reply-To: <d24rf6+2gmi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d25u2l+frcr@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ginny343" <ginny343 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     I am wondering if anyone out there knows how good Amazon's 
> > delivery service really is . . . especially out of country (US).
> >     I don't know if anyone has any experience or advise for me.  It 
> > looks like it will cost about $12 more for the delivery to Mexico, 
> > which I will happily pay if I can really read the book this summer!
> > 
> > Ginny343


Hi Ginny,

I'm in England and have friends across America and Canada who I talked into (well, 
nagged, really) buying books from amazon.co.uk and for a while I was pretty nervous 
about how long that might take - but it was great! It took no longer than when I've 
bought things from across the pond - actually, if you're looking at the amazon.co.uk 
website, maybe you could take a look at my fave books as well? They might keep 
you entertained until HBP come out. I prefer these to Harry Potter for a whole stack 
of reasons, and if you read the reviews you'll get a good idea as to why. Have a look 
at The Odessa Stone (my favourite book ever) and The Guardian Of Time (second 
favourite!). I'm so completely into both!

Sandra (trying to spread the word in order to have a good chinwag about them!)







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 27 16:04:03 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 27 Mar 2005 16:04:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1111939443.14.90505.m23@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, March 27, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From bumbledore at comcast.net  Sun Mar 27 16:14:03 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:14:03 -0500
Subject: HP Pumpkin carvings
Message-ID: <003801c532e7$ff4fc820$41790b18@cauldron1>

Hi All, sorry about the mass mailing, but I want to get as many responses as I can to this, IF you can help.

I just spent the last 4hours on line searching for Harry Potter related Holloween pumpkin carving templates.. I found 4. And not one was a Ron or Hermionie.. anyone have any ideas where I can get such templates? All help appreacated.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 27 20:57:16 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:57:16 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
In-Reply-To: <d233kl+fiot@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d276nc+tlsd@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> Here is a copy of an email I sent to Yahoo Feedback regarding the
> recent cosmetic changes to the format.
 
<< Competition is growing, if you don't start ACTUALLY improving, you
may end up seeing a mass migration to more full featured and user
friendly services. >>

Y!mort will just buy the competitor and convert it to Y!format.






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sun Mar 27 22:54:29 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:54:29 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
In-Reply-To: <d276nc+tlsd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d27dj5+n7r6@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Here is a copy of an email I sent to Yahoo Feedback regarding the
> > recent cosmetic changes to the format.
>  
> << Competition is growing, if you don't start ACTUALLY improving, you
> may end up seeing a mass migration to more full featured and user
> friendly services. >>
> 
> Y!mort will just buy the competitor and convert it to Y!format.

Geoff:
That sounds a trifle defeatist. Are you suggesting that we just lie 
down and allow Yahoo to walk all over us? If we're going to be sunk, we 
may as well go down with the band playing......

Let's form a WHY group. (WHY = We hate Yahoo!)
:-(






From wilson.logan at ntlworld.com  Sun Mar 27 23:59:21 2005
From: wilson.logan at ntlworld.com (evildrome_boozerama)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:59:21 -0000
Subject: Y!G software option Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] everything's changing...
In-Reply-To: <d2461t+frgt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d27hcp+3jn9@eGroups.com>



Hi Carolyn,

 My name is Wilson Logan & I'm the creator of PG Offline. 

 It works a treat... usually. Obviously, at the moment, we're having to 
change it to work with the new Yahoo "look". In the past we've always 
been able to produce a patch within 24 hours but the Easter Holiday 
caught us napping.

 We're expecting to have it fixed by Tuesday. I'll let you know when 
you can try it out.  

Cheers,

 Wilson.









From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 14:07:41 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:07:41 -0500
Subject: I get roaches on my birthday
Message-ID: <1a27384005032806077a42da34@mail.gmail.com>

...And not the good type of roaches you can smoke and get a buzz.

I get the type you could put a leash on and call Rover.  I get the
type that I should be charging rent on.  I get the type that would
make Hagrid want it as a pet!

Gah!  Living in the tropics... Bleh.  First, I had to clean up one
from the kitchen sink last night and this morning I had to clean one
from the bathroom sink.

Dina



From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 28 16:41:29 2005
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:41:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re HP Pumpkin carving
In-Reply-To: <1112024903.14222.41311.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050328164129.99042.qmail@web51703.mail.yahoo.com>

My sister made her own (non-HP related)  pumpkin
carving templates last fall. She did pumplins of
friends, my other sister's dogs, etc., that looked a
lot like whom they were supposed to.

She basically scanned in photos, then used Photoshop
to make the images very high contrast, then resized
them and printed them out. I'm not sure if she
figuered this out on her own, or read an article. I'll
send her an e-mail and see if I can find out more
info.

Tyler


Hi All, sorry about the mass mailing, but I want to
get as many 
responses as I can to this, IF you can help.

I just spent the last 4hours on line searching for
Harry Potter related 
Holloween pumpkin carving templates.. I found 4. And
not one was a Ron 
or Hermionie.. anyone have any ideas where I can get
such templates? 
All help appreacated.


		
__________________________________ 
Do you Yahoo!? 
Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. 
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 28 17:28:49 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:28:49 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
In-Reply-To: <d27dj5+n7r6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d29esh+10isk@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> 
> Let's form a WHY group. (WHY = We hate Yahoo!)
> :-(

Tonks here:

Sign me up! It is true that Yahoo does eventually buy everything. 
They own Overture now. Eventually I think that Bill Gate (big 
brother) will just buy everything including Yahoo and it will have 
so many bugs we will go back to pencil and paper.

Anyway I wrote to Yahoo a number of times from different e-mail 
addresses and this is the responds that I got.  (by the way I do 
like yahoo for e-mail. It is better than hotmail/MSN. And it is 
free. I have about 10 of them.)

Here is their response when I told them I was a memeber of a serious 
adult discussion group with over 13,000 memebers and that we were 
all PO'd about the new design and a few points about why. I asked if 
I can change the way the messages are shown, without that extra line 
in it and this is Yahoo's response:

Hello, 

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.

We appreciate your feedback regarding service changes made to Yahoo! 
Groups. We understand that some users may be inconvenienced by some 
of the changes we make, but our intentions are always to improve the 
overall quality of service for all of our users while continuing to 
offer you a compelling free service.
 
These service changes are final and no exceptions will be granted. 
We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you and 
appreciate your continued support of Yahoo! Groups.

Should you have other inquiries, please feel free to write again and 
we'll be more than happy to assist you.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

Regards,

Sam

Yahoo! Customer Care
-----

Says it all. Including the reminder that it is FREE, so the 
implication is that we should just shut up.  

SO sign me up for a card carrying member of WHY-Groups.

Tonks_op







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Mar 28 18:05:45 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:05:45 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
In-Reply-To: <d29esh+10isk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d29h1p+aeu8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
> <gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> > 
> > Let's form a WHY group. (WHY = We hate Yahoo!)
> > :-(
> 
> Tonks here:
> 
> Here is their response when I told them I was a memeber of a 
serious 
> adult discussion group with over 13,000 memebers and that we were 
> all PO'd about the new design and a few points about why. I asked 
if 
> I can change the way the messages are shown, without that extra 
line 
> in it and this is Yahoo's response:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.
> 
> We appreciate your feedback regarding service changes made to 
Yahoo! 
> Groups. We understand that some users may be inconvenienced by some 
> of the changes we make, but our intentions are always to improve 
the 
> overall quality of service for all of our users while continuing to 
> offer you a compelling free service.
>  
> These service changes are final and no exceptions will be granted. 
> We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you and 
> appreciate your continued support of Yahoo! Groups.
> 
> Should you have other inquiries, please feel free to write again 
and 
> we'll be more than happy to assist you.
> 
> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sam
> 
> Yahoo! Customer Care
> -----

Carolyn:
Isn't this appalling? So why are they even bothering to ask us for 
feedback? So they can have a good laugh? 

I am going to see what I can do to get this into the business press 
in the UK. Once the investor relations people start getting flack, 
it's amazing the things that start happening.

Does anyone know of an 'I hate Yahoo site' ? There are plenty of them 
for most big corporations these days. Might be another route to get 
them to take some notice.

I wonder how many thousands of people there are in the their various 
groups worldwide, and how many have complained?






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 18:14:35 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:14:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
In-Reply-To: <d29esh+10isk@eGroups.com>
References: <d27dj5+n7r6@eGroups.com> <d29esh+10isk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050328101437a6ad51@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:28:49 -0000, Tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:

> in it and this is Yahoo's response:

> Groups. We understand that some users may be inconvenienced by some
> of the changes we make, but our intentions are always to improve the

Revise 'some' to 'most'. {chuckle}

> These service changes are final and no exceptions will be granted.

In other words, 'we have you by your balls, so STFU' is what Yahoo is
saying. {snort}

Whoever thought this was a good design should be subjected to reading
my list of godawful fanfic on FF.net, which makes a person want to
bleach their eyes out.

Okay, so the old design was 'boring' but it was practical.  I
prioritize usability more than how nice a site looks... Anyway, I
frequently make Firefox wipe out all website designs by doing a 'no
style' option.

Dina



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 28 18:23:38 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:23:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
Message-ID: <4550948.1112034220067.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

if there's an i hate yahoo group anywhere, i'd be glad to join!  as a blind computer user, they are one of the worst sites, just to join a group!  They have no audio alternative to the graphic image verification when you join a group.  their answer to that is that someone in their supposed customer service will call a blind computer user and help them sign up, but then you have to give them all you information, including your password.  After years of fighting it, I finally asked a sighted friend to help me become a registered yahoo person, thinking that would make it easier to access group web pages.  well, even to join any group, I still have to deal with the graphical verification, though I am a registered yahoo member now.  Unless I join a group by email, but that doesn't always work, because a groups web address isn't always synonymous with their email address.  A couple months ago, I wanted to start my own group for the discussion of tolkien, hoping in time it will be a serious discussion group, somewhat like HPforgrownups, though without all the wonderful speculation of what comes next, of course.  however, again, though I am a yahoo member, i couldn't form a group without dealing with the graphical verification.

Ok, sorry for the rant!  i just can get on my soapbox about them and find their care for customers to be one of the worst I've ever encountered.

sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com>
Sent: Mar 28, 2005 10:05 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
> <gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> > 
> > Let's form a WHY group. (WHY = We hate Yahoo!)
> > :-(
> 
> Tonks here:
> 
> Here is their response when I told them I was a memeber of a 
serious 
> adult discussion group with over 13,000 memebers and that we were 
> all PO'd about the new design and a few points about why. I asked 
if 
> I can change the way the messages are shown, without that extra 
line 
> in it and this is Yahoo's response:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.
> 
> We appreciate your feedback regarding service changes made to 
Yahoo! 
> Groups. We understand that some users may be inconvenienced by some 
> of the changes we make, but our intentions are always to improve 
the 
> overall quality of service for all of our users while continuing to 
> offer you a compelling free service.
>  
> These service changes are final and no exceptions will be granted. 
> We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you and 
> appreciate your continued support of Yahoo! Groups.
> 
> Should you have other inquiries, please feel free to write again 
and 
> we'll be more than happy to assist you.
> 
> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sam
> 
> Yahoo! Customer Care
> -----

Carolyn:
Isn't this appalling? So why are they even bothering to ask us for 
feedback? So they can have a good laugh? 

I am going to see what I can do to get this into the business press 
in the UK. Once the investor relations people start getting flack, 
it's amazing the things that start happening.

Does anyone know of an 'I hate Yahoo site' ? There are plenty of them 
for most big corporations these days. Might be another route to get 
them to take some notice.

I wonder how many thousands of people there are in the their various 
groups worldwide, and how many have complained?






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Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!
 
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Mar 28 19:42:14 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:42:14 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
In-Reply-To: <d29h1p+aeu8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d29mmm+4omt@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Carolyn:
> Isn't this appalling? So why are they even bothering to ask us for 
> feedback? So they can have a good laugh? 
> 
> I am going to see what I can do to get this into the business press 
> in the UK. Once the investor relations people start getting flack, 
> it's amazing the things that start happening.
> 

Carolyn (later):
Here is the URL for Yahoo Investor Relations:

http://yhoo.client.shareholder.com/index.cfm

Click on the 'Contact us' button and you will get a form to fill out. 
Please do so, with full facts and details (such as the so-
called 'customer relations' letter just posted here on OTC).

Trust me, it works as an approach. If enough of us do it, someone in 
Yahoo!Groups will get the kick up the ass that they richly deserve, 
and maybe something will happen. I read somewhere on the web that Yah!
Groups generate about a quarter to a third of their income - it was 
old info, but interesting. I am going to dig through their accounts 
to see if there is anything more recent.

If you are not mad enough yet, here is the blog of a Yahoo employee, 
congratulating himself on how wonderfully customer-sensitive and 
terrific they all are in the Yah new product development dept:

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/004385.html

Carolyn











From bumbledore at comcast.net  Mon Mar 28 23:13:37 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:13:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
References: <d29h1p+aeu8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c533eb$c6e5d790$41790b18@cauldron1>

How many complained? THOUSANDS, by what I have heard..

Guess Yahoos days are numbered, with all the hackers, Porn bots, and pain in
the arses on it.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carolynwhite2" <carolynwhite2 at aol.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback


>
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
> > <gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's form a WHY group. (WHY = We hate Yahoo!)
> > > :-(
> >
> > Tonks here:
> >
> > Here is their response when I told them I was a memeber of a
> serious
> > adult discussion group with over 13,000 memebers and that we were
> > all PO'd about the new design and a few points about why. I asked
> if
> > I can change the way the messages are shown, without that extra
> line
> > in it and this is Yahoo's response:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.
> >
> > We appreciate your feedback regarding service changes made to
> Yahoo!
> > Groups. We understand that some users may be inconvenienced by some
> > of the changes we make, but our intentions are always to improve
> the
> > overall quality of service for all of our users while continuing to
> > offer you a compelling free service.
> >
> > These service changes are final and no exceptions will be granted.
> > We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you and
> > appreciate your continued support of Yahoo! Groups.
> >
> > Should you have other inquiries, please feel free to write again
> and
> > we'll be more than happy to assist you.
> >
> > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > Yahoo! Customer Care
> > -----
>
> Carolyn:
> Isn't this appalling? So why are they even bothering to ask us for
> feedback? So they can have a good laugh?
>
> I am going to see what I can do to get this into the business press
> in the UK. Once the investor relations people start getting flack,
> it's amazing the things that start happening.
>
> Does anyone know of an 'I hate Yahoo site' ? There are plenty of them
> for most big corporations these days. Might be another route to get
> them to take some notice.
>
> I wonder how many thousands of people there are in the their various
> groups worldwide, and how many have complained?
>
>
>
>
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From bumbledore at comcast.net  Mon Mar 28 23:12:36 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:12:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re HP Pumpkin carving
References: <20050328164129.99042.qmail@web51703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00bf01c533eb$a29a9ce0$41790b18@cauldron1>

Thanks, I would appreacate it.. I managed to find 6 of them.. all Harry
except one, for hogwarts, but it was a true "Carving", or a sculpture, not
just a cutout.. Im not good enough for that kind of stuff.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyler Hewitt" <tahewitt at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re HP Pumpkin carving


>
> My sister made her own (non-HP related)  pumpkin
> carving templates last fall. She did pumplins of
> friends, my other sister's dogs, etc., that looked a
> lot like whom they were supposed to.
>
> She basically scanned in photos, then used Photoshop
> to make the images very high contrast, then resized
> them and printed them out. I'm not sure if she
> figuered this out on her own, or read an article. I'll
> send her an e-mail and see if I can find out more
> info.
>
> Tyler
>
>
> Hi All, sorry about the mass mailing, but I want to
> get as many
> responses as I can to this, IF you can help.
>
> I just spent the last 4hours on line searching for
> Harry Potter related
> Holloween pumpkin carving templates.. I found 4. And
> not one was a Ron
> or Hermionie.. anyone have any ideas where I can get
> such templates?
> All help appreacated.
>
>
>
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Mar 29 08:52:03 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:52:03 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <00c701c533eb$c6e5d790$41790b18@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <d2b4vj+l15q@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" 
<bumbledore at c...> wrote:
> How many complained? THOUSANDS, by what I have heard..
> 
> Guess Yahoos days are numbered, with all the hackers, Porn bots, 
and pain in
> the arses on it.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "carolynwhite2" <carolynwhite2 at a...>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:05 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
> > > <gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let's form a WHY group. (WHY = We hate Yahoo!)
> > > > :-(
> > >

Carolyn:
Well, entertaining or what, but I switch on my computer this morning 
and I find that message number search has been re-instated, and 
the 'Next' and 'Previous' buttons now work as they should do.

Instructive. 






From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Mar 29 09:30:02 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:30:02 -0000
Subject: Magical music tastes
Message-ID: <d2b76q+7t1o@eGroups.com>


I'm also on the TPMM list (the potion masters muse) because of its 
fan fic content and we have recently had a bit of discussion about 
what kind of music Snape would listen to.  Bryan Ferry, The Cure and 
The Smiths have been mentioned.  I think I'd go along the classical 
line - I feel his tastes would be very refined.
Anyway I was thinking, what music would others listen to?
I'm listening to The Bends (Radiohead) at the moment, and I think it 
sums up Sirius to a tee.  Its melancholy and aggressive, and High and 
Dry seems to be all about enigma and bravado and even mentions a 
flying motorcycle ...
I think someone has asked about the Weasleys before.  Bill and 
Charlie are my generation, so I think that they would have definitely 
have been into the aforementioned Smiths and The Cure, what about 
Echo and the Bunnymen?  When I was at school, some of the lads formed 
a group called Vehicle Derrick's Schizoid Maniacs - does that sound 
like a group the Weasleys could have been involved in or what?
What about the trio?
I can see Arthur Weasley enjoying a bit of Deep Purple or Led Zepplin!
Dumbledore - erm ...

Suggestions please ...

Sarah xx






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Tue Mar 29 10:53:26 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:53:26 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <d2b4vj+l15q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2bc36+mhjo@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:

Carolyn:
> Well, entertaining or what, but I switch on my computer this 
morning 
> and I find that message number search has been re-instated, and 
> the 'Next' and 'Previous' buttons now work as they should do.
> 
> Instructive.


Geoff:

Wow!

Really looks as if Yahoo have had a rush of blood to the head!! 

It's certainly a step or so in the right direction.

It happened somewhere between about 08:00 and 11:45 British Summer 
Time ce matin, mes amis.

I was still fighting and cursing the alterations at the earlier hour 
and logged back on at the latter time and thought I was hallucinating!






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue Mar 29 12:24:16 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:24:16 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Magical music tastes
Message-ID: <1f5.682ee85.2f7aa2f0@aol.com>

How about John Williams (conductor) for Dumbledor and some kind of Big  
Band/Swing for Lupin?
 
Shalimar


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From cat_kind at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 12:31:08 2005
From: cat_kind at yahoo.com (cat_kind)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:31:08 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <d2bc36+mhjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2bhqc+5k0g@eGroups.com>


> Carolyn:
> > Well, entertaining or what, but I switch on my computer this 
> morning 
> > and I find that message number search has been re-instated, and 
> > the 'Next' and 'Previous' buttons now work as they should do.
> > 
> > Instructive.
> 
> 
> Geoff:
> 
> Wow!
> 
> Really looks as if Yahoo have had a rush of blood to the head!! 
> 
> It's certainly a step or so in the right direction.
> 
> It happened somewhere between about 08:00 and 11:45 British Summer 
> Time ce matin, mes amis.
> 
> I was still fighting and cursing the alterations at the earlier hour 
> and logged back on at the latter time and thought I was hallucinating!

catkind:  It's a cunning evil trick isn't it? They make the first
version even worse than it has to be so that we're all relieved when
it goes back to "just" having really annoying formatting that takes up
far too much space. Not to mention yahoo get to demonstrate how well
they respond to user feedback. 
Cynicism mode off: You gets what you pays for.  We don't pay. It's
great that they're able to provide what they do for just the price of
the advertising. And to be fair, we're probably not the target
audience either, I suspect they design the system with smaller groups
in mind.

catkind






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 12:59:07 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:59:07 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <d2bc36+mhjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2bjer+jljk@eGroups.com>


Geoff:
 
Wow!

Really looks as if Yahoo have had a rush of blood to the head!! 
It's certainly a step or so in the right direction.
 
It happened somewhere between about 08:00 and 11:45 British Summer 
Time ce matin, mes amis.
 
I was still fighting and cursing the alterations at the earlier hour 
and logged back on at the latter time and thought I was hallucinating!

Alla:

Me too Geoff, me too. :) I am soo happy I don't have to count
messahes 
backwards anymore. :) Now, if you click Last, you indeed get... last 
message. Imagine that. :)
And message numbers are back too. Have they actually read our 
complaints? I am pleasantly surprised.

Alla.






From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Tue Mar 29 12:59:09 2005
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:59:09 -0000
Subject: Magical music tastes
In-Reply-To: <d2b76q+7t1o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2bjet+j8sq@eGroups.com>


Oh, John Philip Sousa!  I see Dumbledore conducting all his magical 
instruments in a dance to a lively Sousa march ala Fantasia! hehe
and the Twins?  Weird Al Yankovic... but with their own lyrics.






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Mar 29 13:06:39 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:06:39 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <d2bhqc+5k0g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2bjsv+8vb5@eGroups.com>


catkind:  It's a cunning evil trick isn't it? They make the first
> version even worse than it has to be so that we're all relieved when
> it goes back to "just" having really annoying formatting that takes up
> far too much space. Not to mention yahoo get to demonstrate how well
> they respond to user feedback. 

To be fair, I think that now on balance the functionality is slightly 
improved over the old version, because you can search the member list.

The formatting is somewhat annoying, though reverse time order with no 
ability to customise is hardly unprecedented on the internet.

I see one advantage in the white space, too: it's more work-friendly.  
Personally, I would like *all* our groups to superficially resemble 
boring technical MS Word documents or spreadsheets, though I'm sure 
many would disagree.

David, looking nervously around at colleagues






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 29 13:45:40 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:45:40 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <d2bhqc+5k0g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2bm64+riv1@eGroups.com>


> catkind:  It's a cunning evil trick isn't it? They make the first
> version even worse than it has to be so that we're all relieved when
> it goes back to "just" having really annoying formatting that takes up
> far too much space. Not to mention yahoo get to demonstrate how well
> they respond to user feedback. 
> Cynicism mode off: You gets what you pays for.  We don't pay. It's
> great that they're able to provide what they do for just the price of
> the advertising. And to be fair, we're probably not the target
> audience either, I suspect they design the system with smaller groups
> in mind.



SSSusan:
Oh, it's just like "New Coke" and "Old Coke," then!!  Remember that?  I 
swear that was a set-up from the get-go; they just wanted to hear 
people scream, "We love the OLD Coke!  Bring it back!"  

Rather doubt that was the case here, though. :-|

Is it my imagination, or has the layout we see while reading posts been 
adjusted a bit, too?  Either there's a little less wasted white space 
today, or ::shudder:: I'm getting used to things?

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 15:31:41 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:31:41 -0500
Subject: Season Finale of HBO's Carnivale
Message-ID: <1a27384005032907313ee196a7@mail.gmail.com>

No obvious spoilers.

Okay, I missed the first half hour but the last left me feeling... meh. :-\

Part of the 'prophecy' was elaborated but it just felt anti-climatic. 
Then again, the whole 'prophets in da house, homies' sequence mostly
just whooshed over my head.  I get the gist but it felt... huh?

Dina



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 16:23:57 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:23:57 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
In-Reply-To: <d29mmm+4omt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2bvet+nipd@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:

> If you are not mad enough yet, here is the blog of a Yahoo employee, 
> congratulating himself on how wonderfully customer-sensitive and 
> terrific they all are in the Yah new product development dept:
> 
> http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/004385.html
> 

Tonks here:

Read the bog.  He said they wanted to "recruit more smart people"

Yes, like some who know not to say "me and Russell"!!!  God I just hate 
it when people use such poor grammar.  

Tonks







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Mar 29 16:36:32 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:36:32 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
In-Reply-To: <d2bvet+nipd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2c06g+6vkr@eGroups.com>


Tonks here:
> 
> Read the blog.  He said they wanted to "recruit more smart people"
> 
> Yes, like some who know not to say "me and Russell"!!!  God I just 
hate 
> it when people use such poor grammar.  

Um, why is that bad grammar?  It's slightly better usage to 
say "Russell and me", but I don't think he violated any grammatical 
rule, and there might be an extraneaous reason for the order he used.

David, who knows that "Russell and I" would definitely have been wrong 
in the context






From ajillity at direcway.com  Tue Mar 29 17:31:07 2005
From: ajillity at direcway.com (Jill)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:31:07 -0000
Subject: a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
In-Reply-To: <d25iuj+pd17@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2c3cr+daea@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" 
<valkyrievixen at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
> > Hi! This is defiantly OT, but I would really appreciate feedback 
on
>  this.
> >  
> > OK, I just took an EPT certianty pregnancy test, (the kind that 
says 
> > "pregnant" or "not pregnant" in a digital window.) and it 
said "NOT 
> > PREGNANT" however, when I ejected the test strip, there where 2 
> > lines.  One was considerably fainter than the other, but still 2 
> lines.    
> > Should I consider this as pregnant or not pregnant??  
> >  
> > Thanks!
> > Chancie
> 
> 
> Valky:
> Hi Chancie, when testing for my second pregnancy I had a similar
> result first time round. The reason I went back and tested again was
> because instinctively I knew I was right and the test was wrong. 
> The only thing to do in your position is take it as inconclusive.  
> 
> Like others have said, take another test and good luck with either 
way
> that you hope for.

Jill chimes in:

Definitely take another one.  It takes 10-14 days for pregnancy 
hormones to even appear in your system, and sometimes longer for the 
test to pick them up.  If you are pregnant, the line should get 
darker each time you take one.  You might want to try a different 
brand of test, too.  I used "First Response" and got my first 
indisputable positive after about 16 days.

Jill
Who was definitely pregnant and has the 7-month-old son to prove it






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 17:46:29 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:46:29 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar   (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
In-Reply-To: <d2c06g+6vkr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2c49l+9r6d@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> Um, why is that bad grammar?  It's slightly better usage to 
> say "Russell and me", but I don't think he violated any 
grammatical 
> rule, and there might be an extraneaous reason for the order he 
used.
> 

Tonks now:
I know that younger people these days speak that way, but it is 
WRONG. And I just hate to see the language go downhill like this.  
This particular thing is one of my pet peeves.  It is an insult to 
every teacher, if you ask me.  I complained to a teacher friend of 
mine and she said that maybe the language was changing.  Well it is 
not changing for the better!!  I would never hire someone that spoke 
that way.  And while I am on the subject, I often hear people 
say:  "I seen".  It is "I have seen" or I've seen, or "I saw".  I 
can't tell you the number of times that I have heard people, even on 
TV, say that.  It just erks me.  I am not saying that my writing is 
100% perfect, but in day to day conversation or written information, 
people should at least know better than to say "me and Joe".  
Geeeesh!!

Tonks_op
I can't spell, but that is a different story.  I have always said 
that is why you hire a secretary.   ;-)








From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 18:03:05 2005
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:03:05 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar   (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relat
In-Reply-To: <d2c49l+9r6d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2c58p+eibn@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
> <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> > 
> > Um, why is that bad grammar?  It's slightly better usage to 
> > say "Russell and me", but I don't think he violated any 
> grammatical 
> > rule, and there might be an extraneaous reason for the order he 
> used.
> > 
> 
> Tonks now:
> I know that younger people these days speak that way, but it is 
> WRONG. And I just hate to see the language go downhill like this.  

Well, it looks like Dave is a "descriptionist" type of linguist, and
Tonks is a "prescriptionist" type of linguist. :)

Uh, sorry.

Anyway, technically (and I do mean TECHNICALLY), there is nothing
wrong with the phrase "me and Russell" in the way it was used.  It's
not the "prescribed" way of speaking English correctly, but because
the two people in question were the objects of the sentence, and they
were in object form (instead of the incorrect "Russell and I", as per
Dave's observation), they are technically correct.  It may sound harsh
to our ears, but linguistically, they're fine.  

One of my pet peeves as a descriptionist (and I mean no offense here -
I'm competely irked by many things that are happening in written
English these days) is when people are saying the language is going
downhill.  Language is constantly changing.  Constantly.  I mean, we
don't speak Old/Middle English anymore, do we?  And our language would
be so much poorer without the additions we make every year to our
(darnit, I can't think of a better word than) vocabulary.

Now, if we could just teach people to stop using "'s" to denote
plurals!!!  That's just wrong! :)

-Jen, the descriptionist with certain prescriptionist tendencies.






From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Tue Mar 29 18:12:49 2005
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:12:49 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: a question, for moms or soon-to-be moms
Message-ID: <87.24769096.2f7af4a1@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/29/2005 9:43:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,  ajillity at direc
way.com writes:

> --- In  HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, chnc1024 at A... wrote:
> > Hi! This is  defiantly OT, but I would really appreciate feedback 
on
>   this.
> >  
> > OK, I just took an EPT certianty  pregnancy test, (the kind that 
says 
> > "pregnant" or "not  pregnant" in a digital window.) and it 
said "NOT 
> > PREGNANT"  however, when I ejected the test strip, there where 2 
> >  lines.  One was considerably fainter than the other, but still 2 
>  lines.    
> > Should I consider this as pregnant or not  pregnant??  
> >  
> > Thanks!
> >  Chancie 
> Valky:
> Hi Chancie, when testing for my second pregnancy I  had a similar
> result first time round. The reason I went back and  tested again was
> because instinctively I knew I was right and the test  was wrong. 
> The only thing to do in your position is take it as  inconclusive.  
> 
> Like others have said, take another test  and good luck with either 
way
> that you hope for.

Jill  chimes in:

Definitely take another one.  It takes 10-14 days for  pregnancy 
hormones to even appear in your system, and sometimes longer for  the 
test to pick them up.  If you are pregnant, the line should get  
darker each time you take one.  You might want to try a different  
brand of test, too.  I used "First Response" and got my first  
indisputable positive after about 16 days.

Jill
Who was  definitely pregnant and has the 7-month-old son to prove  it



********************************************************
 
Chancie:
 
Thanks to everyone who responded.  I haven't taken a new test yet, 
because I thought it would be smarter to let my body have time to 
build up more hcg (if I am pregnant...).  The suspense is killing me! 
(And I didn't think anything could take my mind off of HBP...boy was 
I wrong!)  I've never been one to do well with waiting, but I suppose  it's 
better to wait awhile and have a more reliable answer and save the 
money as well...  
 
Also I defiantly wanted to tell everyone out there, PLEASE don't waste 
your money on the EPT certianty test!!!  After posting this I happened 
to check out some of the ratings for this test and no less than 2/3 of 
the posts I read had run into problems with them giving incorrect  results, 
(about 1/2 were false postives and supposedly its VERY rare to  get a 
false postitive) and getting many error messages.  I did also find out  that 
my neighbor had the exact same problem with this test.  She took it,  and 
it said "not pregnant" ejected the strip and saw 2 lines ... she was 6  weeks 
pregnant at the time, so it is CLEARLY not reliable.  
 
Also thanks for all the "good luck" wishes!  My hubby swears I'm  pregnant 
again (my daughter will be 1 year old in May), and I told him if he said it 
again I was going to slap him.  It's not that I wouldn't love to have  
another baby,
(I would eventually like to have 2 more) but this just isn't the timing I'd  
have 
hoped for.  Hubby is in the Navy and if I am pregnant, the baby would  be due
at about the same time that he's up for new orders, meaning we'll have to  
move 
and my daughter is hard enough to keep up after without dealing with 
morning sickness and all the other fun stuff associated with pregnancy 
(please note the sarcasm)!.  But what ever the result I will give you  and 
update as soon as I know either way.
 
Thanks again for the feed back!
 
Chancie~who also took a First Response pregnancy test when she was
pregnant with her daughter and also recieved an indisputeable and
correct positive....
 


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From irishwynch at aol.com  Tue Mar 29 18:34:12 2005
From: irishwynch at aol.com (irishwynch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:34:12 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Season Finale of HBO's Carnivale
Message-ID: <cf.2595b0c3.2f7af9a4@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/29/05 7:35:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
bunniqula at gmail.com writes:
No obvious spoilers.

Okay, I missed the first half hour but the last left me feeling... meh. :-\

Part of the 'prophecy' was elaborated but it just felt anti-climatic. 
Then again, the whole 'prophets in da house, homies' sequence mostly
just whooshed over my head.  I get the gist but it felt... huh?

I was left wondering if both Jonesy an Brother Justin were really dead.  I 
think that Justin is and Sofie is going to take his place, but like you , it 
left alot of questions, which I guess a season ending cliff hanger is supposed 
to.  I love the show and hate that the season is already over with.  Now all I 
have is Deadwood.

Mar;a


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From zulyblue at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 19:44:04 2005
From: zulyblue at yahoo.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:44:04 -0000
Subject: Cape Cod Wedding
Message-ID: <d2cb64+6gvi@eGroups.com>


Hello!

I'm wondering if there are any list members out there living on Cape
Cod or have been to a wedding out there recently?  I'm planning a May
06' wedding on the Cape (from Cleveland, Ohio!) and am looking for
anyone's ideas thoughts or reviews on different possible
reception/ceremony site. 
I'm looking for somewhere nice, but not outrageously expensive (no
Chatham Bars Inn for me!).

Thanks!!

Sarah

P.S.  Anyone who is currently planning or recently planned a wedding
and wants to commiserate of offer tips, I'm all ears!!






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 21:31:34 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:31:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Magical music tastes
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050329213134.35382.qmail@web53304.mail.yahoo.com>

I think Snape would like Queen, secretly.
Arthur Weasely listens to Paul Simon on vinyl.
Sirius probably would have listened to some Sage Francis if it weren't for his cousin and the veil.
 
Gotta get back to work.
Kemper


Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:

I'm also on the TPMM list (the potion masters muse) because of its 
fan fic content and we have recently had a bit of discussion about 
what kind of music Snape would listen to.  Bryan Ferry, The Cure and 
The Smiths have been mentioned.  I think I'd go along the classical 
line - I feel his tastes would be very refined.
Anyway I was thinking, what music would others listen to?
I'm listening to The Bends (Radiohead) at the moment, and I think it 
sums up Sirius to a tee.  Its melancholy and aggressive, and High and 
Dry seems to be all about enigma and bravado and even mentions a 
flying motorcycle ...
I think someone has asked about the Weasleys before.  Bill and 
Charlie are my generation, so I think that they would have definitely 
have been into the aforementioned Smiths and The Cure, what about 
Echo and the Bunnymen?  When I was at school, some of the lads formed 
a group called Vehicle Derrick's Schizoid Maniacs - does that sound 
like a group the Weasleys could have been involved in or what?
What about the trio?
I can see Arthur Weasley enjoying a bit of Deep Purple or Led Zepplin!
Dumbledore - erm ...

Suggestions please ...

Sarah xx


		
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 22:14:12 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:14:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
In-Reply-To: <d2c49l+9r6d@eGroups.com>
References: <d2c06g+6vkr@eGroups.com> <d2c49l+9r6d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005032914144c817c35@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:46:29 -0000, Tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
> <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> >
> > Um, why is that bad grammar?  It's slightly better usage to
> > say "Russell and me", but I don't think he violated any
> grammatical
> > rule, and there might be an extraneaous reason for the order he
> used.
> >
> 
> Tonks now:
> I know that younger people these days speak that way, but it is
> WRONG. And I just hate to see the language go downhill like this.

Heh, I believe JKR uses the 'me and Name' somewhere in the books. 
Anyway, I believe there's actually somewhere online where they cite
certain qualification for 'me and Name' being correct.

{dig, dig, dig, finds one example}

http://www.geocities.com/widremann/language/pronouns.html

Dina



From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 22:23:20 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:23:20 -0000
Subject: Season Finale of HBO's Carnivale
In-Reply-To: <cf.2595b0c3.2f7af9a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d2ckgo+97hp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, irishwynch at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/29/05 7:35:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> bunniqula at g... writes:
> No obvious spoilers.
> 
> Okay, I missed the first half hour but the last left me feeling... 
meh. :-\ Part of the 'prophecy' was elaborated but it just felt anti-
climatic. Then again, the whole 'prophets in da house, homies' 
sequence mostly just whooshed over my head.  I get the gist but it 
felt... huh?
> 
> I was left wondering if both Jonesy an Brother Justin were really 
dead.  I think that Justin is and Sofie is going to take his place, 
but like you , it left alot of questions, which I guess a season 
ending cliff hanger is supposed to.  I love the show and hate that 
the season is already over with.  Now all I have is Deadwood.
> 
> Mar;a
> 
*****\(@@)/*****

I am wondering about the prophets in the house thingy too! Maybe 
Sophie is the real prophet - I sort of thought that Ben's dad was it 
and this is why Justin wanted to kill him - maybe the twist is that 
Sophie was it all along. I was so upset when she shot Jonesy - I am 
hoping he somehow survives and gets away. Also how come Sophie 
suddenly comes up with the same powers as Ben?????? I have 
faithfully watched this show because I wanted to figure it out and 
now I have to wait again!!!! Love that Deadwood - Sheriff Bullock is 
one conflicted guy! (think Swearingen is going to be any nicer now 
that he is over his illness? he he)

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****

*****\(@@)/*****

 






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue Mar 29 23:21:17 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:21:17 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
References: <1a27384005032914144c817c35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4249E2ED.000001.00272@KATHRYN>

 

 Dina
Heh, I believe JKR uses the 'me and Name' somewhere in the books.
Anyway, I believe there's actually somewhere online where they cite
certain qualification for 'me and Name' being correct.
 
{dig, dig, dig, finds one example}
 
http://www.geocities.com/widremann/language/pronouns.html
 

K

I actually think the guy (? or is it gal, I didn't check the author's name,
bad me!) is talking well rubbish to be honest. His/her knowledge of Latin
seems fairly sound, but I think that the bit where he/she says 'I have come
to the conclusion' that this isn't how english works is a bit worrying. This
isn't really a point most grammarians seem to think there's any controvosy
about, certainly not in my experience anyway. I could *say* that I have come
to the conclusion it is daylight outside - but I'd still be wrong.

And as for JKR's usage I believe (but feel free to prove me wrong) that she
uses it in speech and it's generally accepted that making all your
characters speak perfectly grammatical English isn't very realistic
(especially I would imagine when your characters are mainly kids) - it makes
them sound terribly stilted and unrealistic - although there are exceptions
obviously. Personally my kid characters when I write use slang and
ungrammatical English quite often, my adults are *usually* grammatical
(especially since most of them are well educated) and Snape is *always*
correct in everything he says, I have no idea if he actually is in the books
but it's the impression I get from him. I'm just looking for an excuse to
have him use the Chruchill quote "This is the kind of English, up with which
I will not put!".

And on a slightly related note does anyone know why my spell checker in word
occasionally reverts back to American instead of English (which is what I
have it set as)? I get really irritated with it when it suddenly decides to
tell me to replace my s with z (in -ise) and get rid of the u (colour etc).

K

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From bkalb at learnlink.emory.edu  Tue Mar 29 20:52:04 2005
From: bkalb at learnlink.emory.edu (bkalb1977)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:52:04 -0000
Subject: Can we get JKR to chat?
Message-ID: <d2cf5k+32pu@eGroups.com>



This is premature I'm sure... but what do you think about the 
possibility of getting JKR to do a chat with HPFGU after she finishes 
book 7? She has previously said that she "can't wait" until she can 
talk freely about all the books... and I can't imagine that there 
would be more informed or avid fans than found here. It would be 
interesting to know has she ever posted here and what does she think 
about various theories. Although it may be annoying for her to have to 
explain the absolute minutia people will be asking her... in addition 
to having to defend against all the people who don't like Dumbledore.

Still, it would be great. There must be a way to offer an invitation 
if people have contacts with The Leaky Cauldron or other sites.











From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 00:01:40 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:01:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
In-Reply-To: <4249E2ED.000001.00272@KATHRYN>
References: <1a27384005032914144c817c35@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4249E2ED.000001.00272@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <1a2738400503291601296b6585@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:21:17 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time), Kathryn
<kcawte at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> to the conclusion' that this isn't how english works is a bit worrying. This
> isn't really a point most grammarians seem to think there's any controvosy
> about, certainly not in my experience anyway. I could *say* that I have come
> to the conclusion it is daylight outside - but I'd still be wrong.

For the sci-fi folk, 'the truth is fluid; it can be what you think it
to be or what you decide it to be'.

English is fluid, even if some piss it out.  Folks will always try
bending the scope of grammar.  Personally, I like 'me and X' format
because of its casual nature, which takes me to this...

> And as for JKR's usage I believe (but feel free to prove me wrong) that she
> uses it in speech and it's generally accepted that making all your
> characters speak perfectly grammatical English isn't very realistic

You're right in that she used the phrase in dialogue but don't you
think it a bit of a double standard?  For example, what I'm typing up
now is a discussion and how I would 'talk'--it's my dialogue minus the
quotations.

Granted, I'm not comfortable with anyone using atrociously sloppy
grammar but are we at the point where I must type the following:
"Evidently, I need some quotations around my commentary," I said.


> And on a slightly related note does anyone know why my spell checker in word
> occasionally reverts back to American instead of English (which is what I
> have it set as)? I get really irritated with it when it suddenly decides to
> tell me to replace my s with z (in -ise) and get rid of the u (colour etc).

Your spellchecker isn't democratic enough.  Thus, the US has invaded
it and spread its presence in a domineering way. ;-)

Dina



From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Wed Mar 30 01:37:28 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:37:28 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Correct Grammars
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400503291601296b6585@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEHCCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>


On the 'me and name'. I thought the test was if 'I' would sound right by
itself then that was the plan and it 'me' sounded right by itself then that
was the go.

eg

Megan and I went to the park (I went to the park)

the cafe worker bought me and Megan our lunch. (the cafe worker bought me my
lunch)

That's the test I use but when I am feeling unsure ... it's amazing how you
can restructure a sentence to get ride of the 'me and x' clause!

Kathryn, on the spell check - I assume you have set the default language to
English UK? If you are running MS Word and outlook do it in word. If you are
running one of the many other products than I don't know!

storm, who did remedial spelling and grammar for years but now boasts she
has a grasp of the use of the apostrophe (or can restructure the sentence
out of needing to use one)
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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Mar 30 02:00:31 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:00:31 EST
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
Message-ID: <191.3c11e2fe.2f7b623f@aol.com>

 
 
I must admit that I am a little confused with people complaining about all  
the white space. I don't expect the white space to last long. The ads will  be 
there soon enough.
 
---Mary
 
 




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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 02:06:12 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:06:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Correct Grammars
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEHCCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
References: <1a2738400503291601296b6585@mail.gmail.com>
	 <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEHCCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400503291806772f2745@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:37:28 +1000, storm <miss_megan at bigpond.com> wrote:
 
> storm, who did remedial spelling and grammar for years but now boasts she
> has a grasp of the use of the apostrophe (or can restructure the sentence
> out of needing to use one)

My grammar grades resembled Harry's potions grades. {g}  Though, the
irony remains I critique fanfic, including grammar, and there are some
folk who think I know what I'm talking about. ;-)

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 02:35:36 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:35:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Season Finale of HBO's Carnivale
In-Reply-To: <d2ckgo+97hp@eGroups.com>
References: <cf.2595b0c3.2f7af9a4@aol.com> <d2ckgo+97hp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005032918353256e9e2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:23:20 -0000, dudemom_2000 <dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
> I am wondering about the prophets in the house thingy too! Maybe
> Sophie is the real prophet - I sort of thought that Ben's dad was it
> and this is why Justin wanted to kill him - maybe the twist is that
> Sophie was it all along.

I understood it as Ben and Justin being the prophets and they were in
her [Sophie's] house (i.e. the repeated prophecy of 'all the prophets
in her house') as lover and father.

Sophie was under the impression she was a 'puppet'.  At first, a
puppet to her mom when she thought it was her mother doing the tarot
card readings, which her mother later corrected by saying it was
Sophie all along.  It's like Sophie's now discovering how much control
she has over life and death, thus, the scene where it's emphasized
this is *her* house.


> I was so upset when she shot Jonesy - I am
> hoping he somehow survives and gets away. Also how come

Aye, I was surprised by that... but at the same time, Star Trek has
on-going jokes about 'red shirts' being killed on away missions and
Jonesy was doing 'away missions'.


> Sophie
> suddenly comes up with the same powers as Ben?????? I 

Now *that* I found WTF'ish and disappointing because each 'prophet'
had different skills.  Anyway, I suspect this is the reason why
Sophie's mom tried to kill her daughter because she feared what Sophie
was capable of, if Sophie were to come into her powers--hence, the
longterm false nature of who had the power over seeing 'destiny' and
the cards.


> Love that Deadwood - Sheriff Bullock is

Oz junkie. {g}  I don't like Westerns, so never got into Deadwood. 
After Oz concluded, I just followed Six Feet Under and Carnival, along
with the occasional America Undercover and... sexcapade specials. ;-)

Dina



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 02:51:28 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:51:28 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammars
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPCEHCCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <d2d47g+pagq@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "storm" <miss_megan at b...> wrote:
> 
> On the 'me and name'. I thought the test was if 'I' would sound right 
by
> itself then that was the plan and it 'me' sounded right by itself 
then that
> was the go.
> 
> eg
> 
> Megan and I went to the park (I went to the park)
> 
> the cafe worker bought me and Megan our lunch. (the cafe worker 
bought me my lunch)
> 

Tonks again:

I know that I went to school in the dark ages. I was taught the same 
thing for the test of I or me.  BUT... and here is the difference... 
you always put the other person's name first. So it is either Mary and 
I, or Mary and me.  The waitress brought coffee to Mary and me.

The dark ages were before the *me* generation, so that may have a 
bearing on it all.  The concept of putting others first was in the 
language and in society.

And back to Yahoo... now there is this strange thing that breaks up the 
page and you can't see half of what you have typed.  Pulling hair out.

What has Yahoo done now? It wasn't that way yesterday, was it?

Tonks_op







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 02:55:33 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:55:33 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <191.3c11e2fe.2f7b623f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d2d4f5+9d40@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
>  
>  
> I must admit that I am a little confused with people complaining 
about all  
> the white space. I don't expect the white space to last long. The ads 
will  be 
> there soon enough.
>  
> ---Mary

Tonks now:

I am talking about the extra line and extra *white* space on the list 
of messages, not on this page. But this page is weird. Look at how it 
cuts the line and throws the rest of the sentance to the next line 
down. I wish that they would fix this too.

Tonks_op






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 03:36:47 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:36:47 -0000
Subject: Can we get JKR to chat?
In-Reply-To: <d2cf5k+32pu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2d6sf+4g2f@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bkalb1977" <bkalb at l...> wrote:
> 
> 
> This is premature I'm sure... but what do you think about the 
> possibility of getting JKR to do a chat with HPFGU after she finishes 
> book 7? She has previously said that she "can't wait" until she can 
> talk freely about all the books... and I can't imagine that there 
> would be more informed or avid fans than found here.

I've had this same wish for ages!  I know she loves to interact with
the kids, but I think Jo would like a nice adult discussion, too.

I think our best bet would be to go through Steve Vander Ark; perhaps
another open letter some time after HBP has been out a while.

There are other possibilities, depending on how much work people may
be available to do.

Instead of a chat, we might begin collecting questions (in a separate
HPfGU group?) which volunteers would sort through and refine into the
best questions.  It'd be labor-intensive, but worth it, and I bet
people would be willing.

Then Jo could answer them at her leisure.  Depending how into it she
is, her answers might easily get as long as, say, Fantastic Beasts or
Quidditch through the Ages?  Could be another charity book, if Jo
likes.  If not, she can just email them back to be posted on the
Lexicon and/or HPfGU.

This might get us more detailed and thorough answers than just a chat.
 Of course, a follow-up chat after that would be even better!

I know, I know, I'm dreaming, but...

Steve, Penny, Belinda, anybody, are you reading this? Can we?  Please?

Annemehr
who will throw herself off a nearby cliff if the final HP chat
includes the question "How did you get the idea for Harry Potter?"








From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Wed Mar 30 03:51:08 2005
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (songbird3411)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:51:08 -0000
Subject: Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Surprise - some things fixed!
In-Reply-To: <d2bhqc+5k0g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2d7nc+il11@eGroups.com>


 
>> catkind:  It's a cunning evil trick isn't it? They make the first 
version even worse than it has to be so that we're all relieved when 
it goes back to "just" having really annoying formatting that takes 
up far too much space. <<

Mindy:

I think the trick is even more cunning than that.  I was initially 
overjoyed that the "previous" and "next" buttons again functioned by 
taking one to the previous or next post.  However, this only happens 
when the messages are read one at a time.

I loathe reading messages one at a time.  Yahoo, of course, has to 
make money.  Thus, every 5th or so message a full page ad appears 
instead of the message.  So, I always read in expanded form.  No 
ads.  Well, less ads.  

While the single view message format has changed to make the "next" 
button take one to the next message, the expanded view format is 
still lousy.  Now, the 20 or so messages on the screen start at the 
top with the newest and scroll down to the oldest.  This means in 
order to read the messages in order, one has to scroll from bottom to 
top.  This is utterly ridiculous.  Much teeth grinding has ensued.

I have come to the conclusion that Yahoo!mort is trying to, ahem, 
persuade its users to avoid the one option that allowed them to 
bypass most of the ads.  Yes, that is it.  It is all a giant ploy to 
get me to view more ads.  Curse them.

Mindy 






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 30 08:22:24 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:22:24 -0000
Subject: Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
Message-ID: <d2dnk0+6s1s@eGroups.com>


I settled down last night to see my first episode of a much-hyped show which has 
just started airing in the UK called "Dead Like Me". I liked the idea behind it, and 
thought it should be worth a look... but I couldn't believe the foul language they used! 
Have things really become so dumbed-down these days that the characters use the 
'F' word over and over again - and countless other ones - as if they mean nothing? 
And don't tell me the writers and actors are just reflecting real life because I mix with 
a lot of people and none of us use that kind of swearing, or ever have done. Besides - 
just because some people curse at random, why should that mean I have to have 
their attitude towards language in my home? And if the 'socially-aware' team behind 
the show are so intent on breaking down the impact of foul language, why don't they 
throw in the "N" word a few times, or the "C" word as well? They're just hypocrites, 
the actors are weak to go along with it, and although I liked the concept of the show, 
I won't be watching again.

Sandra (feeling better for having said that. Please note the absence of swearing used 
to convey my feelings.)






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 30 09:07:08 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:07:08 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
References: <1a2738400503291601296b6585@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424A6C3C.000001.00860@KATHRYN>

 
K
 
> And as for JKR's usage I believe (but feel free to prove me wrong) that
she
> uses it in speech and it's generally accepted that making all your
> characters speak perfectly grammatical English isn't very realistic
 
Dina
You're right in that she used the phrase in dialogue but don't you
think it a bit of a double standard?  For example, what I'm typing up
now is a discussion and how I would 'talk'--it's my dialogue minus the
quotations.
 

K

It's not a double standard at all. Authors should be pretty grammatical when
they write, grammar is one of the ways that make your meaning clear (the
particular rule we're discussing is really tiny and nitpicky honestly but
grammar is there for a reason), so you should follow the rules (good writers
can occasionally ignore or bend the rules for stylistic reasons but you can
bet your ass they know what the rules *are* to start with). Uh sorry went
off my point - author's should be grammatical but it is unrealistic to
expect a fifteen year old to be any more than you would expect them not to
use slang - so for her to write Ron and Harry as perfectly grammatical would
stand out as sounding silly. In a 'perfect' world people would all talk
english in a way that sounded good, followed the important rules (at least)
and made sense, but in ours they don't.

K

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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Wed Mar 30 10:21:33 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:21:33 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  
> K
>  
> > And as for JKR's usage I believe (but feel free to prove me 
wrong) that
> she
> > uses it in speech and it's generally accepted that making all your
> > characters speak perfectly grammatical English isn't very 
realistic

Geoff:
I've only just read this thread, having been alerted by one of the 
other group members.

I don't think that we're specifically discussing whether we speak 
perfectly grammatical English, but looking at one particular aspect 
of it.

Looking at it from my own point of view, I suppose I have to admit 
that I am probably among the more senior member of the Harry Potter 
groups so I might be forgiven for being an annoying old pedant.

When I was at grammar school, English was taught much more rigorously 
than it is today. As part of my GCE course in English Language (the 
then Fifth Year national examination), I had to learn to do clause 
analysis; this mean "stripping down" a sentence and indicating which 
job a word was performing. Also learning Latin - with its 6 cases to 
correct what a previous poster wrote - gave us a great insight into 
the structure of languages.

As a teacher for 30 years, although my subjects were mainly Maths, 
and later Computing, while we were at college, we had it firmly put 
into our minds that we should remember the Hadow Report (of something 
ancient like 1928?) which had the credo "Every teacher should be a 
teacher of English" enshrined in it.

Coming to the "I" and "me" situation, I would agree with other 
contributors who have said that, if you are in doubt over an "I 
and.." or "me and..." usage, drop out the other person and see what 
it looks like then. The wrongness of the "me and John are going 
there" statement is then quite obvious. I have no objection to the 
personal pronoun being first as long as it's the right case! 

Interestingly, when I was in the last year or so of my grammar 
school, the Head of English in our school wrote a series of English 
grammar textbooks and got into an argument with the publisher over 
using "It is I" versus "It's me". So an experiment was set up and 
members of the publishing staff were asked to come and knock on the 
chief editor's door; when asked "Who's there?" they had to reply 
without using their name. 100% said "It's me". My teacher conceded 
the point!

There is also the question of in what situation we are using the 
language. I claim to be tri-lingual: formal written English, informal 
spoken English used professionally (if you see what I mean) and the 
casual conversation I might have at the church youth group - although 
I attempt to retain a modicum of good grammar there!

Apart from the "I/me" problem, the only other items which annoy me 
are the use of adjectives where adverbs should be used ("Run down to 
the shop quick and get me some eggs") and (ducks apprehensively) the 
use of American spellings in UK situations.






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 10:37:27 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:37:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dead Like Me - oh, the language!!
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:22:24 -0000, sandra87b <sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 
> I settled down last night to see my first episode of a much-hyped show which has
> just started airing in the UK called "Dead Like Me". I liked the idea behind it, and
> thought it should be worth a look... but I couldn't believe the foul language they used!
> Have things really become so dumbed-down these days that the characters use the
> 'F' word over and over again - and countless other ones - as if they mean nothing?

Hm, didn't register at all they were excessive.  Then again, I watch
HBO series and Oz is one example where the guys say fuck every other
word, along with racial and sexual slurs.

Dead Like Me is considered a 'cult' classic of the newer generations
and did get some good critical reviews.  However, after two seasons,
the show was cancelled.  I believe there was some conflict of
interests in crew.

Dina



From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 30 14:00:25 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:00:25 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
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Geoff:
> As a teacher for 30 years, although my subjects were mainly Maths, 
> and later Computing, while we were at college, we had it firmly put 
> into our minds that we should remember the Hadow Report (of something 
> ancient like 1928?) which had the credo "Every teacher should be a 
> teacher of English" enshrined in it.


SSSusan:
Hee.  When I taught social studies, I once had had all I could take of 
poor grammar and spelling from my students.  Thus, I created a 10-point 
pop quiz and presented it to them.  I encountered some initial shock 
and a few grumblings, but I, too, am a proponent of the Hadow Report 
[though I've never heard of it before :-)], and I explained that they 
needed to be able to EXPRESS themselves clearly no matter the  
environment in which they find themselves.  

I made the quiz quite humorous, and so it wasn't resented too much by 
too many.  It also lowered my blood pressure and made me feel I'd done 
my part to help young people do better. ;-)



Geoff:
> Apart from the "I/me" problem, the only other items which annoy me 
> are the use of adjectives where adverbs should be used ("Run down to 
> the shop quick and get me some eggs") and (ducks apprehensively) the 
> use of American spellings in UK situations.


SSSusan:
For me it's the addition of an apostrophe where it does not belong.  
For instance:

"HPfGU is one of my favorite internet group's."
"That dog is never going to find it's way home."

Grrrrrr.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 30 14:45:37 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:45:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo
 Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
Message-ID: <31909550.1112193938142.JavaMail.root@scooter.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Geoff:
> Apart from the "I/me" problem, the only other items which annoy me 
> are the use of adjectives where adverbs should be used ("Run down to 
> the shop quick and get me some eggs") and (ducks apprehensively) the 
> use of American spellings in UK situations.


SSSusan:
For me it's the addition of an apostrophe where it does not belong.  
For instance:

"HPfGU is one of my favorite internet group's."
"That dog is never going to find it's way home."

Grrrrrr.


Sherry
I, too, get frustrated with the poor grammar people, especially young people, use today.  When my niece was in third grade, she came home saying something about 

"I brung that report home, Mom."

Well, my sister never taught her to say "brung"!  I couldn't believe that this hadn't been corrected by third grade.  I certainly knew better by that age.

Have you noticed that the grammar and spellcheckers with word processing programs, such as MS. Word are notoriously inaccurate?  To take Susan's example of apostrophes, it often tries to correct my writing on the words "its" and it's".  Usually, it is completely wrong.  I type very fast, and I also have arthritis in my hands, so I spell check regularly to make sure I haven't transposed letters, but I often ignore the suggested changes when it comes to grammar.  It makes me wonder about the grammar skills of the people who developed those programs!

Sherry








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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 30 15:24:17 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:24:17 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relations
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Sherry
>> Have you noticed that the grammar and spellcheckers with word 
processing programs, such as MS. Word are notoriously inaccurate?  To 
take Susan's example of apostrophes, it often tries to correct my 
writing on the words "its" and it's".  Usually, it is completely 
wrong.  <<


SSSusan:
IIRC, it also instructs us to put a comma before *every* occurence 
of "which," whether that comma is needed or not.

Now, where I need guidance is in whether to put the comma before or 
after the * if I'm emphasising a word by that technique.  So, if I'm 
saying, "But I think in terms of teaching Harry, Snape is 
**terrible**..." do I put the comma before or after those two **?  
:-)


Siriusly Snapey Susan








From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 15:57:11 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:57:11 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relatio
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> SSSusan:
> Now, where I need guidance is in whether to put the comma before or 
> after the * if I'm emphasising a word by that technique.  So, if I'm 
> saying, "But I think in terms of teaching Harry, Snape is 
> **terrible**..." do I put the comma before or after those two **?  
> :-)

Figuring the convention ought to be analogous to punctuation rules for
quotation marks, I always put the comma inside the asterisks.

Now, who can tell me the convention(s) for using apostrophe-s or
apostrophe alone in possessive forms of words ending in S?  Does it
make a difference if it's a singular name like Sirius as opposed to a
plural word like students?  Is it "Sirius's," but "students'?"

Annemehr







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 30 16:32:21 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:32:21 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relatio
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Annemehr:
> Figuring the convention ought to be analogous to punctuation rules for
> quotation marks, I always put the comma inside the asterisks.

SSSusan:  Merci. :-)

Annemehr: 
> Now, who can tell me the convention(s) for using apostrophe-s or
> apostrophe alone in possessive forms of words ending in S?  Does it
> make a difference if it's a singular name like Sirius as opposed to a
> plural word like students?  Is it "Sirius's," but "students'?"

SSSusan:
I always thought it was pure preference, but I will gladly bow to any 
grammar expert who might know otherwise.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 30 16:36:55 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:36:55 -0000
Subject: SPOILER?  HBP bookstore standup
Message-ID: <d2ekj7+ja57@eGroups.com>


There's a new hi-res photo of a bookstore standup promotional for HBP, 
which features Mary GrandPre's artwork.  You can see it here if you 
want -- it's the cover we've already seen but shows *more,* so stop 
reading/looking now if you don't want to see it --

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/03/scholstandupbig.html

(And if that doesn't work, just go to the Leaky and proceed from there.)

SPOILER SPACE



SPOILER SPACE



SPOILER SPACE


Yes!!!  That looks like **Ginny** to me on the lower right!  I so want 
her to have a big part on HBP. :-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Mar 30 16:44:54 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:44:54 -0000
Subject: SPOILER?  HBP bookstore standup
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> There's a new hi-res photo of a bookstore standup promotional for 
HBP, 
> which features Mary GrandPre's artwork.  You can see it here if you 
> want -- it's the cover we've already seen but shows *more,* so stop 
> reading/looking now if you don't want to see it --
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org/images/2005/03/scholstandupbig.html
> 
> (And if that doesn't work, just go to the Leaky and proceed from 
there.)
> 
> SPOILER SPACE
> 
> 
> 
> SPOILER SPACE
> 
> 
> 
> SPOILER SPACE
> 
> 
> Yes!!!  That looks like **Ginny** to me on the lower right!  I so 
want 
> her to have a big part on HBP. :-)
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

And that is definitely Ron and Hermione together on the left, which 
should give the H/R shippers cause for celebration!
MsTattersall







From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 30 16:49:15 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:49:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo
 Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relatio
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Annemehr: 
> Now, who can tell me the convention(s) for using apostrophe-s or
> apostrophe alone in possessive forms of words ending in S?  Does it
> make a difference if it's a singular name like Sirius as opposed to a
> plural word like students?  Is it "Sirius's," but "students'?"

SSSusan:
I always thought it was pure preference, but I will gladly bow to any 
grammar expert who might know otherwise.

Siriusly Snapey Susan

Sherry

my understanding--hoping I'm remembering correctly--is that it is, 's for singular and s' for plural.  so,

Sirius's

students'

Of course, grammar does tend to change a little over time, so perhaps it has changed since my last english class.

sherry







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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 16:58:51 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:58:51 -0500
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:57:11 -0000, annemehr <annemehr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > SSSusan:
> > Now, where I need guidance is in whether to put the comma before or
> > after the * if I'm emphasising a word by that technique.  So, if I'm
> > saying, "But I think in terms of teaching Harry, Snape is
> > **terrible**..." do I put the comma before or after those two **?
> > :-)
> 
> Figuring the convention ought to be analogous to punctuation rules for
> quotation marks, I always put the comma inside the asterisks.

I'm going with Canadian English logic: put the comma outside the asterisk.


> Now, who can tell me the convention(s) for using apostrophe-s or
> apostrophe alone in possessive forms of words ending in S?  Does it
> make a difference if it's a singular name like Sirius as opposed to a
> plural word like students?  Is it "Sirius's," but "students'?"

Your English instructor's preference. {g}  It's intended as humourous
but there's an underlying truth to the comment.  We're taught under
different 'schools of thought'.  Personally, I drop the second S. 
Heh, I'm reminded of an icon with the word, "dumbass" (note the
Canadian English logic again with the comma being shoved to the back),
and then 'uh oh, we need an apostrophe stat' to end with "dumbas's"

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 17:05:12 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:05:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relatio
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:32:21 -0000, cubfanbudwoman
<susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Annemehr:
> > Figuring the convention ought to be analogous to punctuation rules for
> > quotation marks, I always put the comma inside the asterisks.
> 
> SSSusan:  Merci. :-)

Sorry to double up messages but it did remind me of the 'logic' behind
the comma being outside the asterisks.  The asterisks act as an
alternative to boldface or italics to emphasize a word or short
phrase.  Personally, I don't need the comma boldfaced/italicized or
any other means to denote it's being emphasized in a phrase, unless
it's during the discussion of grammar... sort of like now. {g}

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 17:11:43 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:11:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPOILER? HBP bookstore standup
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:36:55 -0000, cubfanbudwoman
<susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> There's a new hi-res photo of a bookstore standup promotional for HBP,
> which features Mary GrandPre's artwork.  You can see it here if you
> want -- it's the cover we've already seen but shows *more,* so stop
> reading/looking now if you don't want to see it --
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/03/scholstandupbig.html

Hehe, "Behold, you lowly mortals for I am Super Harry Potter!"  Damn,
what's that Galadriel (sp?) phrase in its entirety about 'all shall
love me and despair'.

Dina



From gbannister10 at aol.com  Wed Mar 30 17:12:34 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:12:34 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar
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Trying to pick up on one or two recent comments....

(1) I always switch the grammar option off on the spellchecker. I keep 
the spellcheck on because I am also a fast typist and tend to transpose 
letters etc. On a different newsgroup somw years ago, I diagnosed a new 
computer-created malady -  TFS (Tangle Finger Syndrome)(!)

(2) I eliminate commas preceding "and", "but" and "which". I was 
certainly taught the first two. The third procedure, like many of the 
White Knight's, is (probably) "my own invention."

(3) I was also taught that, if the "base" word ended in "s", you merely 
added a comma. If it didn't, you added "'s". I always think that 
adding "'s" after another - usually at the end of someone's name, e.g. 
Sirius's, James's - looks incredibly messy.






From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Mar 30 17:12:39 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:12:39 -0000
Subject: Constellations reveal HBP
Message-ID: <d2emm7+ecse@eGroups.com>


In this morning's Dallas Morning News' family/kids section, there was a 
star map of the April constellations and descriptions of the various 
constellations visible. The identity of the HBP leaped out at me when I 
read the description of the constellation Leo. Its principal star is 
REGULUS, which the article pointed out means "little prince." 

The teaser paragraph from HBP we have all read describes someone as 
looking like an "old lion." If Sirius was named for the principal star 
in the constellation Canis Major (Big Dog) (also described in the DMN 
article), and his general aspect, as well as his animagus form, is a 
big dog, can we then assume that the name of his younger brother, 
Regulus, was derived in a similar way from the constellation LEO?

Now a big hint from canon: OotP, p. 111 (US). Sirius says, "Because I 
hated the whole lot of them: my parents, with their pureblood mania, 
convinced that to be a Black made you practically ROYAL [emphasis 
added] ... my idiot brother, soft enough to believe them ..." 

On the following page, Sirius describes how Regulus joined the Death 
Eaters but backed out when he found out what they wanted him to do, and 
that he was killed for it. But was he really? Sirius has only 
secondhand information and doesn't actually know who killed him. 
Everyone thought Peter Pettigrew was dead, too.

I submit that Regulus Black is not only alive, but is the Half-Blood 
Prince; and in book 6 we will discover that the House of Black isn't 
as "toujours pur" as advertised. It also opens up all kinds of tinned 
invertebrates about the disposition of 12 Grimmauld Place and the 
future of the Order.

I also submit that it will be revealed that what the Death Eaters 
wanted him to do was participate in the Godric's Hollow affair, as OotP 
says that he was killed 15 years ago--right about that same time. Which 
means Regulus, when he appears, can sort out a lot of unanswered 
questions.

Probably this theory has already been floated on the main list, but 
this is the report of my epiphany!

Whew. Thanks. Had to get that out. 

Ms. Tattersall







From irishwynch at aol.com  Wed Mar 30 17:21:43 2005
From: irishwynch at aol.com (irishwynch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:21:43 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Season Finale of HBO's Carnivale
Message-ID: <1ee.38acd2ff.2f7c3a27@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/29/05 3:03:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com writes:
I am wondering about the prophets in the house thingy too! Maybe 
Sophie is the real prophet - I sort of thought that Ben's dad was it 
and this is why Justin wanted to kill him - maybe the twist is that 
Sophie was it all along. I was so upset when she shot Jonesy - I am 
hoping he somehow survives and gets away. Also how come Sophie 
suddenly comes up with the same powers as Ben?????? I have 
faithfully watched this show because I wanted to figure it out and 
now I have to wait again!!!! Love that Deadwood - Sheriff Bullock is 
one conflicted guy! (think Swearingen is going to be any nicer now 
that he is over his illness? he he)

Dudemom_2000
Marla now:

I was thinking, after your post, that Brother Justin must be dead and that 
his powers have been past down to Sofie, his daughter.  What a conflict that 
will be between Ben, (the Carnivale folk), and her.  Especially after there was a 
connection between the two before she left.  As for Deadwood, I love the 
show.  The dialogue is fantastic and the characters are so interesting (I hang on 
every word Al Swearingen says).  I was fasinated to find that a majority of 
the characters were actual people that lived in Deadwood.  

Marla


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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 30 17:20:43 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:20:43 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar
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Geoff:
> (2) I eliminate commas preceding "and", "but" and "which". I was 
> certainly taught the first two. 


SSSusan:
However, there are instances which do require a comma before 
the "which".  [Note the previous sentence, where you do not need a 
comma before the first which, but Word's grammar check would probably 
say you do.]

Here's an example where a comma is supposed to be there:
"There's an Exmoor pony, which is my daughter's favorite kind!"  ;-)  

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 30 17:27:56 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:27:56 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: audio version of HBP?
Message-ID: <15424469.1112203676192.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hi everyone,

has anyone read or heard anything concerning the audio version of HBP?  in the past, the audio version has been announced fairly early on, and it has always been released at the same time as the print.  I haven't heard anything yet, and I'm getting worried.  I do not want to have to wait to read the book!

Sherry






From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Mar 30 17:29:01 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:29:01 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar
In-Reply-To: <d2emm2+jt3v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2enkt+9bmu@eGroups.com>


> Trying to pick up on one or two recent comments....
> 
> (1) I always switch the grammar option off on the spellchecker. I 
keep 
> the spellcheck on because I am also a fast typist and tend to 
transpose 
> letters etc. On a different newsgroup somw years ago, I diagnosed a 
new 
> computer-created malady -  TFS (Tangle Finger Syndrome)(!)


I have that, too! Is there a TFS support group?


> (2) I eliminate commas preceding "and", "but" and "which". I was 
> certainly taught the first two. The third procedure, like many of 
the 
> White Knight's, is (probably) "my own invention."
> 
> (3) I was also taught that, if the "base" word ended in "s", you 
merely 
> added a comma. If it didn't, you added "'s". I always think that 
> adding "'s" after another - usually at the end of someone's name, 
e.g. 
> Sirius's, James's - looks incredibly messy.

On (2), the US grammar rule is that "which" is usually always 
preceded by a comma, whereas "that" is not. Lame example:

The cats ate the tuna, which I put out for them.
The cats ate the tuna that I put out for them.

Both sentences say the same thing in a correct manner, but 
the "which" version gives emphasis to the clause following the comma.

On (3), the Chicago Manual of Style, which is the bible of 
punctuation and grammar of the US book editing industry, says that 
only two names that end in S are ever made plural by the addition of 
only an apostrophe:  Jesus'  and  Moses'
(I guess they get special dispensation.)
Everybody else gets apostrophe-S: Sirius's and James's 
(I agree--it looks messy, and if you pronounce all the Ss, the 
sibilance can produce a lot of sssspit. But as it is often said in my 
part of the US, "Them are the rules.")

MsTattersall
A Neditor







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 17:49:07 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:49:07 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relatio
In-Reply-To: <24069033.1112201355638.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
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Annemehr wrote: 
> > Now, who can tell me the convention(s) for using apostrophe-s or
apostrophe alone in possessive forms of words ending in S?  Does it
make a difference if it's a singular name like Sirius as opposed to a
plural word like students?  Is it "Sirius's," but "students'?"
> 
> SSSusan:
> I always thought it was pure preference, but I will gladly bow to
any grammar expert who might know otherwise.
> 

> Sherry:
> 
> my understanding--hoping I'm remembering correctly--is that it is,
's for singular and s' for plural.  so,
> 
> Sirius's
> 
> students' <snip>
> 



Carol responds to everybody:
I'm a former college English teacher and I currently edit for a
living, so I can tell you that Sherry is right, at least as far as
American English is concerned. About the only exception to the 's for
singular possessives is Jesus'. A few authorities, for exactly the
Chicago Manual of Style, allow just the apostrophe for other biblical
names ending in s, e.g., Moses', and for names of more than one
syllable in which the final unaccented syllable is pronounced "eez,"
e.g., Xerxes' or Euripedes'. However, Sirius's, James's, Kansas's,
Jones's, etc., all take apostrophe s. However, some authorities use
just the apostrophe if the final s sounds like a z (James') but
apostrophe s if the final s sound like s (Sirius's). (CMS 6.24-30).
Now aren't you sorry you asked?

Carol, noting that we're not dealing with grammar here so much as with
spelling or punctuation






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 17:58:57 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:58:57 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar
In-Reply-To: <d2en5b+bjmd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2epd1+5j2m@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman"
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> 
> Geoff:
> > (2) I eliminate commas preceding "and", "but" and "which". I was 
> > certainly taught the first two. 
> 
> 
> SSSusan:
> However, there are instances which do require a comma before 
> the "which".  [Note the previous sentence, where you do not need a 
> comma before the first which, but Word's grammar check would probably 
> say you do.]
> 
> Here's an example where a comma is supposed to be there:
> "There's an Exmoor pony, which is my daughter's favorite kind!"  ;-)  
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan


Carol responds:
Again, I'm not sure about British usage, but American usage requires a
comma before "and" and "but" in compound sentences unless the
independent clauses are very short and the "serial comma" in a list
(e.g., Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs).

Regarding "which," the usual practice is to use "which" and commas for
nonrestrictive clauses (the kind that can be removed from a sentence
without changing its meaning or making it ungrammatical and "that"
without commas for restrictive clauses (which can't be removed without
altering the meaning of the sentence).

For example: English literature, which I studied for too many years to
count, was my favorite subject.

But:

The English literature course that I took in my last year of college
was my favorite.

Carol






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 30 18:10:59 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:10:59 -0000
Subject: I don't like this new-look site!
Message-ID: <d2eq3j+p38h@eGroups.com>


Why change something that wasn't broken in the first place? I'll be glad when they 
(whoever they are) get round to changing the site to something that's almost as easy 
on the eye as the last one. Ugh, this is not pleasant.

Sandra (wondering why)






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 18:34:27 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:34:27 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar   (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relat
In-Reply-To: <d2c49l+9r6d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2erfj+b326@eGroups.com>


"davewitley" wrote:
> > 
> > Um, why is that bad grammar?  It's slightly better usage to 
> > say "Russell and me", but I don't think he violated any 
> grammatical 
> > rule, and there might be an extraneaous reason for the order he 
> used.
> > 
> 
> Tonks now:
> I know that younger people these days speak that way, but it is 
> WRONG. And I just hate to see the language go downhill like this.  
> This particular thing is one of my pet peeves.  It is an insult to 
> every teacher, if you ask me.  I complained to a teacher friend of 
> mine and she said that maybe the language was changing.  Well it is 
> not changing for the better!!  I would never hire someone that spoke
that way.  And while I am on the subject, I often hear people 
> say:  "I seen".  It is "I have seen" or I've seen, or "I saw".  I 
> can't tell you the number of times that I have heard people, even on
TV, say that.  It just erks me.  I am not saying that my writing is
100% perfect, but in day to day conversation or written information,
people should at least know better than to say "me and Joe".  <snip>



Carol responds:
As several people have pointed out, there's nothing *technically*
wrong with "me and Russell" in this context--the objective case is
correct. But people over the age of, say, forty, were taught to put
"I" or "me" after the other name or names, not as a matter or correct
grammar so much as of standard, or at least polite, usage. In other
words, you put the other person's name before the first-person pronoun
out of courtesy.

Now if the blogger had said "Russell and myself," my hair would be
standing on end. I hate it when people aren't sure whether to say "I"
or "me," so they subtitute "myself." Even Dumbledore, or I should say
JKR, does it. "Myself" is intensive or reflexive, period, and should
not be used unless the subject of the sentence is "I."

Speaking of grammar going downhill (and I'm a prescriptivist, sorry!),
I was asked by a teenager selling magazines the other day, "Has any
other kids came by?" Cringe!

Carol






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 18:36:23 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:36:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Correct Grammar (was Open Email to Yahoo Feedback/Try Yahoo Investor Relatio
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:49:07 -0000, justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now aren't you sorry you asked?
> 
> Carol, noting that we're not dealing with grammar here so much as with
> spelling or punctuation

If it already ends in an S, the bugger isn't getting another S out of
me... because I'm cheap that way. :-p  Seriously, I just clumped all
names ending in S don't get another S because Jesus shouldn't be the
only exception.

Dina



From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Wed Mar 30 19:19:42 2005
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:19:42 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPOILER?  HBP bookstore standup
Message-ID: <80.249d7e34.2f7c55ce@aol.com>

 
 
There's a new hi-res photo of a bookstore standup promotional for HBP,  
which features Mary GrandPre's artwork.  You can see it here if you  
want -- it's the cover we've already seen but shows *more,* so stop  
reading/looking now if you don't want to see it  --

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/03/scholstandupbig.html

(And  if that doesn't work, just go to the Leaky and proceed from  there.)

SPOILER SPACE



SPOILER SPACE



SPOILER  SPACE


Yes!!!  That looks like **Ginny** to me on the lower  right!  I so want 
her to have a big part on HBP. :-)

Siriusly  Snapey Susan

********************************************************************
 
Chancie
 
Muggle Net has this picture of the stand up.  It shows up better 
than the one I saw on Leaky, and you can see the dark mark. I also 
agree that Ginny is pictured and I believe the other two are Ron and  
Hermione.... 
_http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbpstandee.jpg_ 
(http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbpstandee.jpg) 





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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Wed Mar 30 20:54:12 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:54:12 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Correct Grammar
In-Reply-To: <d2emm2+jt3v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPAEIACIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

LOL this is great

I want to join the TFS support group too!

What about Annemehr's example of:

"the students' bags where all in the hall way"

Or does (horror) the CMS call for:

"the students's bags where all in the hall way"

Which looks very clumsy IMO

by the way JKR uses "James's broomstick" which is a nasty, though correct. I
think it's a modern fashion and if we ignore it CMS and other style manuals
will quietly revert to the more attractive "James' broomstick"

storm, who doesn't have a copy of the Australian Style Manual but will
consult it at work at work today.

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From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 21:34:19 2005
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (Andromeda)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:34:19 -0000
Subject: SPOILER?  HBP bookstore standup
In-Reply-To: <d2el26+n8rg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2f60r+i1h8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "MsTattersall" <cwood at t...> 
wrote:
> 
> > There's a new hi-res photo of a bookstore standup promotional 
for 
> HBP, 
> > which features Mary GrandPre's artwork.  You can see it here if 
you 
> > want -- it's the cover we've already seen but shows *more,* so 
stop 
> > reading/looking now if you don't want to see it --
> > 
> > http://www.the-leaky-
> cauldron.org/images/2005/03/scholstandupbig.html
> > 
> > (And if that doesn't work, just go to the Leaky and proceed from 
> there.)
> > 
> > SPOILER SPACE
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > SPOILER SPACE
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > SPOILER SPACE
> > 
> > 
> > Yes!!!  That looks like **Ginny** to me on the lower right!  I 
so 
> want 
> > her to have a big part on HBP. :-)
> > 
> > Siriusly Snapey Susan
> 
> And that is definitely Ron and Hermione together on the left, 
which 
> should give the H/R shippers cause for celebration!
> MsTattersall

That glittery dark mark in the sky over H/R's heads is a bit 
worrisome, however.  Also, I'm on the fence as to whether that is 
Ginny or Lily.  My first thought was Ginny, but she looks fuzzier 
and more .. ethereal? than Ron & Hermione in the drawing. Another 
appearance of Lily from behind the Veil? Pensieve?  Maybe just my 
imagination.  IN any case, that's one big pillar!

-Andromeda







From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 22:18:04 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:18:04 -0000
Subject: audio version of HBP?
In-Reply-To: <15424469.1112203676192.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <d2f8is+cnb4@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sherry Gomes 
<sherriola at e...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> has anyone read or heard anything concerning the audio version of 
HBP?  in the past, the audio version has been announced fairly early 
on, and it has always been released at the same time as the print.  
I haven't heard anything yet, and I'm getting worried.  I do not 
want to have to wait to read the book!
> 
> Sherry

*****\(@@)/*****

Hi Sherry!

I just popped over to Amazon and took a peek. They are showing an 
audio cassette version there now which I swear wasn't there the last 
time I looked. I would imagine the CD audio versions will be posted 
soon as well. As for them being out the day the book arrives, I 
guess you might have to email the publisher for that one.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 30 22:37:26 2005
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:37:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Correct grammar
In-Reply-To: <1112203551.2117.63148.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050330223727.59183.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi all,

The rule, according to my American grammar handbook (published 2004), is that commas are required around a nonessential clause, or one that is not necessary for the sentence to make sense.

For example:  The business plan, which intrigued the shareholders, was quite simple.

Now, for a sentence in which commas are incorrect, a sentence with an essential clause:

The business plan which intrigued the shareholders was the simplest one.

(Both of these are in my handbook.)

As for apostrophes/possessives, the rule is, according to my handbook:

"The apostrophe alone is used with singular words ending in -s when the possessive does not add a syllable to the pronunciation of the word."

Hope this helps!  

Christine

Geoff:
> (2) I eliminate commas preceding "and", "but" and "which". I was 
> certainly taught the first two. 


SSSusan:
However, there are instances which do require a comma before 
the "which".  [Note the previous sentence, where you do not need a 
comma before the first which, but Word's grammar check would probably 
say you do.]

Here's an example where a comma is supposed to be there:
"There's an Exmoor pony, which is my daughter's favorite kind!"  ;-)  

Siriusly Snapey Susan


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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 31 01:17:59 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:17:59 -0000
Subject: SPOILER?  HBP bookstore standup
In-Reply-To: <d2f60r+i1h8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2fj47+skmc@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Andromeda" <lavaluvn at y...> wrote:
 
> That glittery dark mark in the sky over H/R's heads is a bit 
> worrisome, however.  Also, I'm on the fence as to whether that is 
> Ginny or Lily.  My first thought was Ginny, but she looks fuzzier 
> and more .. ethereal? than Ron & Hermione in the drawing. Another 
> appearance of Lily from behind the Veil? Pensieve?  Maybe just my 
> imagination.  IN any case, that's one big pillar!
> 
> -Andromeda

My wild guess is that this standup was "photoshopped" from elements of
the actual book jacket, and combined into this image. So, the pillar
was lengthened, and then the rest was rearranged and added in, and
there are other images from the cover that are not shown.  That could
account for the mistiness of the girl on the right - maybe her
original image was smaller, and not complete (e.g. something's in
front of her).  I can't resist the idea that Ron and Hermione, and
maybe Ginny, are looking at an actual Dark Mark over the scene of a
murder, though.  *shivers*

Annemehr
who can't wait...






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar 31 08:19:42 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:19:42 -0000
Subject: Dead Like Me - Dina.
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400503300237f26d95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d2gbqu+2b4l@eGroups.com>


> Hm, didn't register at all they were excessive.  Then again, I watch
> HBO series and Oz is one example where the guys say fuck every other
> word, along with racial and sexual slurs..
> 
> Dina

Hi Dina, thanks for replying!
I had to have a bit of a moan about it. I don't like to hear language like they used, 
especially when it's on a show which could have been so enjoyable. Mind you, if it 
was ditched after two series.. the storylines must have ended up as bad as the 
language. I'll stick to '24' and Frasier!

Sandra (having a nice, calming decaf tea)






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar 31 08:26:29 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (sandra87b)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:26:29 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <d2dujd+ien6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2gc7l+ms0v@eGroups.com>


 Geoff:
> I've only just read this thread, having been alerted by one of the 
> other group members.
> Apart from the "I/me" problem, the only other items which annoy me 
> are the use of adjectives where adverbs should be used ("Run down to 
> the shop quick and get me some eggs") and (ducks apprehensively) the 
> use of American spellings in UK situations.

Hello Geoff,
What a really good answer - I learned a thing or two from reading it!
There's a book called 'Eats, Shoots & Leaves' which is very helpful and entertaining, 
and I would suggest that anyone ought to take a good look through it (unless this 
has already been mentioned).

Long live the pedants!

Sandra (thumbing a copy right now)






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 31 11:38:33 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:38:33 -0000
Subject: My Kafkaesque Day (very long, and not for the paranoid)
Message-ID: <d2gnfp+qvql@eGroups.com>


I've just been cleaning up some old folders on my computer, and 
found this, an account of a day I spent at Heathrow Airport on April 
8th 2003, which I thought might make someone laugh.

Dungrollin


This morning I left the house at 07.30 to get the 726 bus to 
Heathrow to pick up a parcel from Abidjan for my boss.  An email 
from Air France said that I should turn up at "Heathrow" (for non-
Brits a very large London-serving airport) ? nothing more
specific than that, with the reference number, and collect the 
parcel. Being good-natured (or "na?ve") I believed that, and thought 
I'd be in work by about 11:00 at the latest. 

I didn't know where to go first, so I tried the Air France desks
in terminal 2.  A very unhelpful woman told me I was at the wrong 
place for cargo (which I knew).  I asked her if she could perchance 
give me some information about the right place, and she said I 
should go to "the cargo area."  Eventually I got a bus number out of 
her (H30, for future reference) and went to the central bus station 
to wait.  

I got the bus to "the cargo area," which is, of course, absolutely 
huge and served by three bus stops.  Naturally, I got off at the 
wrong one, but after asking unhelpful woman #2 at the BA cargo 
reception desk I figured out where I was, and that I had to retrace 
my steps. A 20 minute walk later, I asked several VERY unhelpful 
people, and was eventually pointed towards a door underneath a sign 
saying "Air France cargo Reception".  That looked promising.  

After a ten-minute wait while unhelpful man #1 dealt with someone 
else, he then tapped my reference number into a computer, frowned, 
tapped something else in, and told me I was in the wrong place.  
Apparently Air France Cargo has *two* buildings at Heathrow, and my 
parcel was at the other one, which was, of course, on the other side 
of the airport, near terminal 4.  The unhelpful man pretended to be 
helpful by drawing me a map.  

I got on another bus, and (after a little panic during which I 
thought I'd gone too far again, but then realised the unhelpful 
man's map simply had two roundabouts on it instead of five) found
my way to HCH II, which turned out to be behind a security fence 
with a sliding gate in it for cars, and a fearsome-looking turnstile 
for pedestrians.  After shouting and pressing all the buttons on the 
intercom (which had a helpful sign saying "Speak clearly into 
speaker then check in at reception") and seeing no resulting change 
in status of the turnstile, I followed a car in through the sliding 
gate, and tried to check in at reception.

"Reception" turned out to be a 1m wide corridor with the left-hand 
wall made of chip-board, there was a square hole cut in it at face 
height with an empty desk behind it.  "Reception" was clearly being 
refurbished.  A sign on the wall said "Please make yourself visible 
to the video camera up and to your right, so that our staff can see 
you and promptly assist you."  Their staff were obviously blind or 
incompetent or both, because I waited for 15 minutes before a (weird-
looking, and moderately unhelpful) bloke did finally turn up.  I 
gave him my reference number and he tapped something into a 
computer, frowned, tapped something else in, and then told me that 
Air France hadn't yet cleared the parcel through customs, so they 
couldn't give it to me.  He advised me to phone Air France and
ask them why not.

This was when events took a turn for the worse, and things started 
to get out of hand.

I called my boss, since I didn't have a phone number for Air
France immediately to hand, and left a message on his phone saying 
could he phone Air France and ask them why on earth they'd told us 
to pick up the parcel if it wasn't ready to be picked up yet, and 
when he'd done that call me back on my mobile and let me know what 
to do. I finished the call, rolled a cigarette and lit it, looked at 
my phone again, and realised my phone was broken.  I then spent ten 
minutes taking the battery and sim card out and putting them back in 
again, in the vain hope that something nasty would be dislodged and 
it would resume functioning.  No luck.  I set off to find a phone 
box.

I actually found a phone box not too far away (piece of luck #1) and 
called my boss, who sounded relieved to hear from me as he'd been 
trying to call my mobile (which wouldn't have worked anyway, even
if it hadn't been broken, as I probably had the battery out of it at 
the time).  My boss said that he had a form from Air France saying 
that the customs stuff HAS been completed (he is certain about this, 
because they're trying to charge him fifty quid for it), I
pointed out that this didn't help me. Neither did it help the bloke 
who wouldn't give me the parcel because he didn't have the right
form.  

My boss then whined that he didn't have an Air France phone
number. I patiently explained that he might be able to call 
directory enquiries, or look on the web for a phone number, (the 
only reason I didn't do it is because of the broken nature of my 
mobile, and limited stash of change for the pay-phone ? I foolishly 
thought it might be easier if my boss did it for me). My boss 
says "Oh yes, I didn't think of that". I gave him the phone number 
of the phone box and sat down to smoke and wait for him to call me 
back.

Half an hour later (by which time it was 12:00, I was giving up on 
the idea of getting any work done, and thus starting to enjoy 
myself) my boss called me back to say that I had to go to customs 
myself and get the paperwork completed.  That was fine, the building 
was marked on the map the unhelpful-bloke-before-last gave me (the 
one with the missing roundabouts ? piece of luck #2). So I headed 
off that way, which was about a twenty-minute walk (no buses here, I 
had by now entered the seriously un-public-friendly area of 
Heathrow). 

When I arrived, I was faced with unhelpful woman #3, who said "they" 
(meaning some people in the next room) might be able to help, and I 
should take a numbered ticket and wait my turn.  I sat down in a 
horrible room with a flickering strip light and a smelly new carpet 
(both of which conspire to send me to sleep in seconds) with ticket 
number 42 (honestly).  The screen read 37.  Not too long to wait, 
you might think.  I timed it.  It took 55 minutes of waiting and 
sleeping before 42 was called, and ... guess what?  

They couldn't do the paperwork because Air France hadn't sent them 
the air waybill. Don't ask me what the hell one of those is, I was 
beyond caring. I was given a fax number and told to phone Air France 
and get them to fax the air waybill to the customs chaps. By this 
time it was 13:10, and my boss had gone to lunch.  I supposed that 
he'd be about half an hour, so I left a message asking him to phone 
Air France, giving him the fax number, and went outside for another 
much-needed cigarette.  

By 14:10 I still couldn't get hold of my boss, no matter how many 
cigarettes I smoked, and no matter how often I called, so 
thought "**** it, I'll do it myself."  So I called directory 
enquiries and got an Air France number, which I called, and was 
given another number, I called that number and was given still more 
numbers.  

By this time my twenty pees had run out and I began to 
gleefully waste ?1 coins on fifteen second phone calls, and ended
up spending ?5 because the payphone didn't have a follow-on-calls 
button. (By this stage I was, as I say, beyond caring.)  I finally 
found someone who had the necessary piece of paper, and was actually 
prepared to fax it immediately to the necessary number, then I 
picked up another ticket and waited for another 30 minutes in the 
horrible smelly room to tell the first helpful woman I had met all 
day that she should damn well have a fax of the ******* air waybill 
now.  

She told me that because the parcel did not contain personal 
belongings (it was actually dead insects) it counted as commercial 
goods, despite the fact that it was of nil commercial value.  For 
commercial packages the woman told me that she should really wait 24 
hours for something or other to clear, and that she should have a 
VAT number to go on the form.  

Something of the day's stress must have shown on my face. I may have 
been close to tears, or suicide; though more probably murder. I 
suppose that this woman must have to deal with people in that 
condition all day every day ? perhaps she has learned to recognise 
the signs. She was certainly well-hidden behind bullet-proof glass. 
Anyhow, for whatever reason, she took pity on me, and said that 
she'd clear it just this once (piece of luck #3).

Joyously, armed with a piece of paper that would force the unhelpful-
bloke-before-last to give me my damn box, I walked the 20 minutes 
back to the being-refurbished reception of HCH II, expecting a) to 
be arrested because the box I was trying to pick up was actually 
stuffed with bags of heroin; b) to be told I need more ID as non-
passport ID is not acceptable; or c) to be sent on to yet another 
******* building.

After paying my ?51 (presumably for the dazzlingly efficient 
service) and signing stuff, and taking copies of forms, and receipts 
and all that sort of nonsense ... I was sent on to another ******* 
building!

Actually, it was only around the corner, so it wasn't too bad.  I 
saw a guy driving a small loading truck, who asked me what I wanted. 
I waved my pink and white form at him, (though if it would have 
helped, I'd have waved my underwear too) and he said he'd
find my box for me, and asked me where my car was.  He looked at me 
very oddly when I said I got the bus.

Anyway, finally, after all that effort, at 17:00, I set eyes on my 
box!!!!!

It was huge, and weighed 15 kilos (30lb).

How I got it back to the bus stop, onto the bus to terminal 4, off 
the bus and onto the tube I will never know.  I *do* know that the 
only way I got it from South Kensington tube station to my boss's 
office was by stopping every 10 yards for a rest.  I got to work at 
18:30.

Thankfully, I was greeted like a hero by my boss, who then took me 
to the pub and bought me lots of beer.






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Thu Mar 31 13:11:33 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:11:33 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My Kafkaesque Day (very long, and not for the paranoid)
In-Reply-To: <d2gnfp+qvql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPGEILCIAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Well I laughed! I hope your boss gave you more than beer. 

the true bureaucratic experience!

storm

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From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 31 16:42:41 2005
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (sopraniste)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:42:41 -0000
Subject: Magical music tastes
In-Reply-To: <d2bjet+j8sq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2h9a1+msjb@eGroups.com>


Well, we already know from his Chocolate Frog card that Dumbledore
likes chamber music, and as a subscriber to my city's local baroque
ensemble I have to say that fits his character perfectly. Nothing like
baroque music!

Flop.






From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Mar 31 18:15:06 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:15:06 -0000
Subject: My Kafkaesque Day (very long, and not for the paranoid)
In-Reply-To: <d2gnfp+qvql@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2hena+4qkm@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> 
> I've just been cleaning up some old folders on my computer, and 
> found this, an account of a day I spent at Heathrow Airport on April 
> 8th 2003, which I thought might make someone laugh.
> 
> Dungrollin
 I got to work at 
> 18:30.
> 
> Thankfully, I was greeted like a hero by my boss, who then took me 
> to the pub and bought me lots of beer.

had a very tiring day at work,my head feels like it's going to split 
open but you really made me laugh.  Ta!

Sarah xx 






From gbannister10 at aol.com  Thu Mar 31 20:58:37 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:58:37 -0000
Subject: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
In-Reply-To: <d2gc7l+ms0v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d2ho9t+lunn@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sandra87b" <sandra87b at y...> 
wrote:

Geoff:
On reflection, perhaps I do use more commas with "which" than I 
realised though, as I said previously, I still delete them 
after "and" and "but".

Sandra:
> Hello Geoff,
> What a really good answer - I learned a thing or two from reading 
it!
> There's a book called 'Eats, Shoots & Leaves' which is very helpful 
and entertaining, 
> and I would suggest that anyone ought to take a good look through 
it (unless this 
> has already been mentioned).
> 
> Long live the pedants!

Geoff:
Yes, this book got quite a lot of air time on TV programmes.

Another you would probably like is one written by John Humphrys, who 
is a very well-known presenter of TV news programmes.

His book is called
"Lost for Words" and sub-titled "The mangling and manipulating of the 
English language"

It's published in the UK by Hodder & Stoughton, price ?14.99 and ISBN 
0 340 83658 X.

In message 26677 Storm wrote:

> LOL this is great. I want to join the TFS support group too!

> What about Annemehr's example of:
> "the students' bags where all in the hall way"

> Or does (horror) the CMS call for:
> "the students's bags where all in the hall way"

Geoff:
Being serious, this question of adding an extra 's is Uk versus US 
usage. In English, the correct version would be accepted as James' 
and Sirius' etc. although many people would add an 's.

In your "students's" example above, that wouldn't happen in UK-speak 
because this only arises with proper nouns. My church has a Boys' 
Club and a Girls' Brigade for example. Although we usually capitalise 
them, they're not technically proper nouns.
 
Geoff (who was tort to speak proper and naicely as a nipper)






From gelite67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 31 23:27:16 2005
From: gelite67 at yahoo.com (gelite67)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:27:16 -0000
Subject: Trip to Ireland
Message-ID: <d2i10k+ekr8@eGroups.com>



I am from the U.S.  My vacation buddies and I are planning a trip to 
Ireland in the summer of 2006.  I wondered if anyone had any vacation 
tips for me.

Thanks,
Angie









From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Mar 31 23:58:04 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:58:04 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Correct Grammar (Geoff in particular)
References: <d2ho9t+lunn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <424C8E8C.000001.01628@KATHRYN>


 
In message 26677 Storm wrote:
 
> LOL this is great. I want to join the TFS support group too!
 
> What about Annemehr's example of:
> "the students' bags where all in the hall way"
 
> Or does (horror) the CMS call for:
> "the students's bags where all in the hall way"
 
K

When in doubt go for the more elegant (or at least the least inelegant)
option which would be students' imo. And on a related note (and hoping I don
t upset the original typist here) are any of the other pedants on the list
having the urge to ignore the worry about the apostrophe and correct 'where'
to 'were' and 'hall way' to hallway'?

My real problems with people mangling their grammar (and spelling when
written) are that firstly, English is, or can be when used correctly, a very
beautiful and expressive language and  usually the most grammatical usage is
the most elegant whereas a lot of the more common mistakes sound harsh and
look ugly. Actually, I personally find that a good rule of thumb when I'm
not sure what is the most correct way of saying something - read each option
out loud, generally the one that sounds best is right. My second problem is
when it happens in a piece of fiction, unless the fiction is very well
written I find I can easily become distracted by mentally correcting the
grammar and spelling and find I'm not paying attention to the actual plot.

Of course the real problem with a lot of fic writers, not just fic writers
but I read a lot of fanfiction so that's where I see it most, is their over
reliance on the spell checker - if I see one more example of someone hoping
that Voldemort (or whoever) will loose a battle I'm not going to be held
responsible for my actions! I'm not saying anyone can be perfect - but that
s why you get someone else to proof read for you, checking your own stuff is
almost impossible because you know what you meant to write and your brain
tells you that's what you're seeing.
 
 K
 

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