From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 00:48:57 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 00:48:57 -0000
Subject: JKR's site update
Message-ID: <d5191p+l6b1@eGroups.com>

hello

is it just me, but isn't the new Wizard of the Month (felix Summerbee) 
an old WoM???

Juli






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 00:54:29 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 00:54:29 -0000
Subject: JKR's site update
In-Reply-To: <d5191p+l6b1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d519c5+69oo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
> hello
> 
> is it just me, but isn't the new Wizard of the Month (felix Summerbee) 
> an old WoM???
> 
> Juli

Yes, I remember him, and on The Leaky Cauldron someone said he's
*last* May's.  I'm hoping it's just a glitch where Lightmaker just got
the wrong year in the code somewhere...

Annemehr







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May  1 04:02:16 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 1 May 2005 04:02:16 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1114920136.15.76384.m25@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 1, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun May  1 10:33:22 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 10:33:22 -0000
Subject: JKR's site update
In-Reply-To: <d5191p+l6b1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d52b9i+vj98@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at y...> wrote:
> hello
> 
> is it just me, but isn't the new Wizard of the Month (felix 
Summerbee) 
> an old WoM???
> 
> Juli

Potterskeys reckon its a glitch and mugglenet have said it should be 
Elfrida Clagg 1612-1687, chieftainess of Warlock's Castle (?)

We'll see
Sarah xx






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May  1 15:02:08 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 1 May 2005 15:02:08 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1114959728.26.4613.m5@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 1, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
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Hope to see you there! 

 





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May  1 19:02:30 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 19:02:30 -0000
Subject: JKR's site update
In-Reply-To: <d52b9i+vj98@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d53946+c2cf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...>
wrote:
 
> mugglenet have said it should be 
> Elfrida Clagg 1612-1687, chieftainess of Warlock's Castle (?)

She was the Chief of Wizard's Council who banned harming the
endangered Golden Sniglet bird? *rushes to check Lexicon*

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/wizards-a-c.html
<<Clagg, Elfrida
Chief of the Wizard's Council in the mid-1300s, Clagg made the Golden
Snidget a protected species (see), and set up the Modesty Rabnott
Snidget Reservation in Somerset (QA). According to her Famous Wizards
card, Elfrida Clagg was born in 1612 and died in 1687. This
information doesn't jibe with with what we learn about her in QA,
however. (fw/42)>>

Her Famous Wizard card was meant to be b.1312 d.1387? 

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/ministry/ministry-history.html
<<Burdock Muldoon was Chief of the Wizards' Council in the 14th
Century (FB, QA). He was followed in office by Elfrida Clagg, who is
generally regarded as being more enlightened than her predecessors
(FB). Elfrida outlawed the hunting of the Golden Snidget, banned its
use in Quidditch, and set up a reservation to protect the tiny bird
(QA). 
(snip)
The dates of Burdock Muldoon's Chieftainship of the Council are
unclear. While his Famous Wizard card gives the dates as 1448-1450,
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them indicates that he was Chief in
the 14th century, not the 15th. Elfrida Clagg, according to FB, was
Muldoon's successor, but her Famous Wizard card states that she was
Chieftainess of the Warlock's Council (sic) during the 1600s.>>

Burdock's FW card was meant to be r.1348-1350, and Elfrida was 38 when
she got the job? Btw is that kind of young? 

If Chief of the Wizards' Council and Chieftaness of the Warlocks'
Council are the same thing, that is more evidence for my theory that
the Wizards' Council and the Warlocks' Council are the same thing, and
(con/federation/vention/vocation/clave) of Wizards is the same thing
as (con/federation/vention/vocation/clave) of Warlocks.

I'm guessing that Chief of the Warlocks' Council is also called Chief
Warlock, and therefore that the Wizards'/Warlocks' Council was (also)
 the Wizengamot. A note in one of the school books told us that the
Wizards' Council was the predecessor to the Ministry of Magic, and I'm
guessing that the Wizengamot seen in OoP is what remains of the
Wizards' Council after it was swallowed up by the bureaucracy that it
had presumably itself created, and lost power to the Minister of Magic
it had presumably itself appointed. Dumbledore's title as Chief
Warlock of the Wizengamot, which some character explains as being like
the Wizarding Supreme Court, indicates to me that 'warlock' means
'member of Wizengamot', derived from an early 'representative to
wizarding legislative assembly'.

ttp://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/op/book_op-facts.html
<<I think this one is a real, live error. Everard, the former
Headmaster who left his portrait in Dumbledore's office to alert folks
about Arthur being attacked, said that he traveled to the portrait of
"Elfrida Cragg" so he could get a better look. The name on the Famous
Wizards card and in Quidditch Through The Ages is  Elfrida Clagg. She
was a Chiefteness of the Wizard's Council back in the 1300s; her ban
on using a real live bird in Quidditch led to the invention of the
Golden Snitch. I suppose their could have been another famous Wizard
named Elfrida Cragg, but I think it's much more likely that it's an
error.>> 

Two different witches with the same name? It happens. It might even
have been a tradition in the Clagg family to name all eldest daughters
Elfrida, but the only two who became famous were one in the 14th
century who was Chief Warlock and protected the Golden Snidge and one
in the 17th century who also became -- surely by that time, the job
title had become Minister of Magic, rather than Chief of the Wizards'
Council? Or was she 'merely' Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot (like
Dumbledore)?

Or may the 13th century one was Elfrida Clagg and the 17th century one
was Elfrida Cragg and the error is neither the surname in OoP nor the
dates on the Famous Wizard card, but rather the surname on the Famous
Wizard card. 






From navarro198 at hotmail.com  Sun May  1 23:14:23 2005
From: navarro198 at hotmail.com (scoutmom21113)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 23:14:23 -0000
Subject: HBP
In-Reply-To: <d46ks9+ufbg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d53nsf+peto@eGroups.com>

Siriusly Snapey Susan:
...because I live in a town of only 17K. Just not the
competition for snagging copies that there is in a big metropolis,
you know?

Bookworm:
My mom also lives in a town of about 17K and the bookstore there 
(admittedly an up-scale shop), but that bookstore sold 2,000 copies
of HP-OoP that first night.  Apparently the line was several blocks 
long.  IIRC, she said the ice cream parlor also stayed open late ;-)

Ravenclaw Bookworm








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 04:14:06 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 04:14:06 -0000
Subject: I feel like Petunia
Message-ID: <d549ee+6kt6@eGroups.com>

Someone dropped a baby on my doorstep. Not a human baby, fortunately.
It's a baby bird, a half-grown white-tailed dove if I'm not mistaken.
After an hour of fruitless phone calls (no answer, answering
machines--why do these things always happen to me on a Sunday night?),
I finally found someone who gave me instructions on how to care for it
overnight, but they won't pick it up, and I'm not going to drive
around a strange neighborhood at night looking for them. So I now have
a live bird in a Kentucky Fried Chicken box with a hole in it in my
laundry room. It's probably too young to eat the birdseed I put in
there along with Kleenex for a nest. (The woman said not to put water
in there because it might fall in and get cold.) So now I have to
sleep with the windows closed so the bird won't freeze to death. Good
thing I work at home. I can just see calling an employer to explain
that I'm going to be late to work. I have to deliver a baby bird to a
rescuer. Just call me Petunia.

On second thought, don't.

Carol








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 04:42:08 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 04:42:08 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine!
In-Reply-To: <d4b9oc+j0uu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d54b30+eqcg@eGroups.com>

Sheryll:
> > *hangs the last of the streamers, carefully placed to
> > frame many pictures of Alan Rickman on the walls*
><snip>
> > Today's honouree is Catherine.
> 
> 
> SSSusan:
> With an intro like THAT [Alan Rickman on the walls!], how can I
*not* offer to help carry in the cake, Sheryll?  Can I join you two... 
> pretty please? :-)  
> 
> Happy birthday, Catherine!

Carol adds:
Lucky Catherine! With a decor like that, how can she not have had a
happy birthday?

Carol, requesting a Rickman!Snape decor for her next birthday, too,
which unfortunately isn't till next April 16






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 05:04:00 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 05:04:00 -0000
Subject: TH, costumes, dogs
In-Reply-To: <d40hsu+fnmh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d54cc0+6fa0@eGroups.com>

Dave wrote:
> 
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#Consonants
> 
> For definitions of the terms (bilabial etc) click on them.
> 
> As Karen ('the other Karen') has implied, the words 'voiced' 
> and 'unvoiced' means exactly that: a voiced consonant is one in 
> which you have used your vocal chords to make a noise.  I think it's 
> quite easy if you pay attention to what your tongue, teeth, lips and 
> throat are actually doing as you speak.
><snip>
> Roughly speaking, we make consonants with three parts of the mouth: 
> lips (labials), teeth/tongue (dental), and the palate at the back of 
> the mouth (velar) - in some languages finer distinctions are 
> necessary, hence all the blanks in the table.
> 
> Plosives are those sounds which can only last an instant.  If 
> labial, they are p (unvoiced) and b (voiced); dental, t and d 
> (ditto); velar, k and g (as in dog).
> 
> Nasals are those where you breathe out through the nose (see, this 
> terminology is not so abstruse, it's common *sense*) as you make the 
> noise: m, n, ng.  They are necessarily voiced.
> 
> Fricatives are where you blow air through the mouth as you make the 
> same or similar motion as you would for the corresponding plosive.  
<snip>
> 
> That leaves the two forms of l (limit, ill), and r and y (yet).
> 
> There you are.  Something we would not even bother to spend time 
> discussing if our schools took a couple of hours of English lessons 
> to teach it at age 12.  It's so easy that by the time you were 3 you 
> didn't even know you were doing it.
> 
> David, who thinks another few hours on the phonetic alphabet would 
> transform the performance of anglo-saxons at foreign languages


Great definitions ( took phonetics, too, but I had trouble
distinguishing vowels, not consonants. To me , th "o" in "hot" and the
"a" in "father" sound exactly the same--but the shape of my mouth when
I'm saying them is completely different. 

BTW, I think you left out sibilant (s and z?), which I'll let you
define. (Aren't sh and zh sibilants, too? Bad me: I didn't look at the
table.)

For the person having trouble distinguishing between voiced and
unvoiced "th" (thorn and eth in Anglo Saxon, if anyone cares), try
breathe and breath.

Carol, who hated the International Phonetic Alphabet and promptly
forgot it as soon as she'd passed the course






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 05:43:36 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 05:43:36 -0000
Subject: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: <d36ksq+ak46@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d54em8+uoik@eGroups.com>

bboyminn wrote:
> 
> I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never seen
> another language where words are pronounce so differently than they
> are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in a word if not
> to lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 
><snip>

Carol responds:
I don't know enough about French to discuss it intelligently, but
English isn't exactly spelled as its pronounced, either. How do you
pronounce -ough? As in bough, though, thought, through, or enough? 

I'm sure there's some etymological excuse for those spellings, as
there is for all the words we borrowed from Greek (psychology,
pneumonia, diarrhea) or the retained "k" in "knight" to reflect Old
English "cnicht," but I don't know what it is and I don't think it
would help the third graders having to learn those words as "sight
words" because they can't be sounded out. "Sight" is another example.
You have "sight," "site," and "cite." As an editor, I can tell you
that a lot of people have trouble keeping those three words straight.

Not arguing with you, just stating that English is nearly as difficult
to spell, probably thanks to the eighteenth-century lexicographers who
were so concerned to preserve the etymology in the spelling

Carol







From meckelburg at foni.net  Mon May  2 06:34:34 2005
From: meckelburg at foni.net (Mecki)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 06:34:34 -0000
Subject: May I come back?
Message-ID: <d54hlq+3blj@eGroups.com>

Hi there!

Most of you won't even remember me, because I haven't sent a single
message for over a year now.
In march last year, I had given birth to a wonderful, but very ill
little girl, Mira Madita. We had a fight for life on the ICU over nine
months, but we lost this fight in january.

It is hard for me to "go out to people again" and after a few feeble
tries in the "real world" I decided to try and contact old friends in
the internet, where you can not see my face, when I'm writing.

So, I might not be cheerful at the moment, or very witty, I might lurk
more than I write. But I'm back, at least I hope so.

Thanks for reading
Mecki,
with 2 kids and 2 angels








From someoneofsomeplace at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  2 09:31:13 2005
From: someoneofsomeplace at yahoo.com.au (Someone)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:31:13 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Oh_Yeah,_it=92s_the_Dementors-Veiled-Gateway-Connection-Theory_!?=
Message-ID: <d54s11+f5f7@eGroups.com>

Has anyone considered whether the origin of the dementors might not be 
found in the workings of the ancient, veiled gateway? It seems to me 
that the gateway separates the soul from the body of the subject, the 
soul passing on to wherever it is souls go to once a person dies (or, 
alternatively, becoming ensnared "within" the gateway?). The body, 
however, separated from its soul, continues to "live on" as the 
undead. Very similar, it can be seen, to the concept of the dementors. 
The gateway was described as very old; perhaps this *is* how the very 
first dementors came to inhabit the earth? 


The question is, who created the archway, and was this its original, 
fiendish, intention? If so, how would this benifit the architect? 
Indeed, having accepted this connection, what other implications can 
we draw from it, relevant to the plot of HP?

John.










From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Mon May  2 11:19:27 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:19:27 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] May I come back?
In-Reply-To: <d54hlq+3blj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPKENLCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Hi Mecki

I remember you, and have thought of your often. The very eloquent posts you
write lost year about the first child who you lost have stayed with me.

I don't post much here but lurk a lot. I'm so sorry to hear you lost a
second child. I can't imagine what kind of pain you have been though. I hope
your husband and family are supporting you the way you deserve though this.

storm, who sat up in her chair and exclaimed Mecki! upon seeing your post

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[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mecki
Sent: Monday, 2 May 2005 4:35 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] May I come back?


Hi there!

Most of you won't even remember me, because I haven't sent a single
message for over a year now.
In march last year, I had given birth to a wonderful, but very ill
little girl, Mira Madita. We had a fight for life on the ICU over nine
months, but we lost this fight in january.

It is hard for me to "go out to people again" and after a few feeble
tries in the "real world" I decided to try and contact old friends in
the internet, where you can not see my face, when I'm writing.

So, I might not be cheerful at the moment, or very witty, I might lurk
more than I write. But I'm back, at least I hope so.

Thanks for reading
Mecki,
with 2 kids and 2 angels








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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Mon May  2 11:21:54 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:21:54 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I feel like Petunia
In-Reply-To: <d549ee+6kt6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPAENMCJAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Carol, in the unlikely event you are still up, email me off line. I can
assist with the bird (not take it off you unless you want to come to
Australia).

cheers

storm

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From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Monday, 2 May 2005 2:14 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I feel like Petunia


Someone dropped a baby on my doorstep. Not a human baby, fortunately.
It's a baby bird, a half-grown white-tailed dove if I'm not mistaken.
After an hour of fruitless phone calls (no answer, answering
machines--why do these things always happen to me on a Sunday night?),
I finally found someone who gave me instructions on how to care for it
overnight, but they won't pick it up, and I'm not going to drive
around a strange neighborhood at night looking for them. So I now have
a live bird in a Kentucky Fried Chicken box with a hole in it in my
laundry room. It's probably too young to eat the birdseed I put in
there along with Kleenex for a nest. (The woman said not to put water
in there because it might fall in and get cold.) So now I have to
sleep with the windows closed so the bird won't freeze to death. Good
thing I work at home. I can just see calling an employer to explain
that I'm going to be late to work. I have to deliver a baby bird to a
rescuer. Just call me Petunia.

On second thought, don't.

Carol








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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Mon May  2 13:32:14 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:32:14 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] May I come back?
In-Reply-To: <d54hlq+3blj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002101c54f1b$5b514050$d41bf204@pensive>

Welcome back.  I am so very sorry for your loss and your grief.  We can't
make the pain go away, but at least we can hopefully give you some
interesting discussions and an occasional bit of laughter.  it's the little
first steps that get us going again, and starting in the cyber world is ok.
Take all the time you need to get yourself back into the real world.  

Sherry


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[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mecki
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 11:35 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] May I come back?


Hi there!

Most of you won't even remember me, because I haven't sent a single
message for over a year now.
In march last year, I had given birth to a wonderful, but very ill
little girl, Mira Madita. We had a fight for life on the ICU over nine
months, but we lost this fight in january.

It is hard for me to "go out to people again" and after a few feeble
tries in the "real world" I decided to try and contact old friends in
the internet, where you can not see my face, when I'm writing.

So, I might not be cheerful at the moment, or very witty, I might lurk
more than I write. But I'm back, at least I hope so.

Thanks for reading
Mecki,
with 2 kids and 2 angels








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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 14:16:45 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 07:16:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking 'properly' & the French
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050502141645.18222.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> bboyminn wrote:
> > 
> > I hate to trash the French and their language, but I've never seen
> > another language where words are pronounce so differently than they
> > are spelled. What is the purpose of all those letters in a word if not
> > to lend a clue as to how the word is pronounced? 
> ><snip>


You know, I can't hear a discussion about the French language without
hearing John Cleese's French taunter.  "Your mother was a hamster and your
father smelled of elderberries!  Now go away or we shall taunt you a
second time!"

Sorry.....just had a "Grail" moment....I'll quit before I start feeling
oppressed.


MJ

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 17:58:14 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:58:14 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Oh_Yeah,_it=92s_the_Dementors-Veiled-Gateway-Connection-Theory_!?=
In-Reply-To: <d54s11+f5f7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d55pnm+m2kl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Someone"
<someoneofsomeplace at y...> wrote:
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> The question is, who created the archway, and was this its original, 
> fiendish, intention? If so, how would this benifit the architect? 
> Indeed, having accepted this connection, what other implications can 
> we draw from it, relevant to the plot of HP?
> 
> John.

bboyminn:

I thought you would never ask. Here is my take on the backstory of The
Archway & Veil. This is from a post in the main group. I'll give you a
link in case you want to read other people's ideas on the subject.
Remember to move up and down the thread to see what others said.


Date: Wed Apr 20, 2005  2:40 am
Subject: Re: Ruminations on "THE" Veil - a Speculative History
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/127830

I picture the archway as very old, weathered, and worn, and much like
a grand stone arch over the doorway into a mansion, castle, or
catherderal.

Here is my speculative backstory on the arch and veil.

In the beginning of time, when powerful natural forces were forging
the universe, a great psychic rip in the space time continuum occurred
on earth. In the beginning of earth time, this wasn't signficant, but
as humans came to dominate the earthscape, and wandered across it's
face exploring, they soon discovered this psychic breach between the
realm of the living and the dead.

At first, it was considered a dangerous taboo place, as man intellect
developed and further he developed a spiritual sense, it became a holy
place. Soon a stone arch shrine was erected around the life/death
breach. The arch was then covered with a veil to protect people from
the temptations and horrors that lie beyond.

Exploring European wizards eventually discovered the ancient Veiled
Archway, and in time found a magical way to bind the breach to the
Arch itself. That allowed them to transport the Arch to a new
location. Of course, currently it resides in the United Kingdom's Dept
of Mysteries/Death Chamber.

One further point, I'm not an expert on mythology, but there is an old
mythilogical story when someone (Hercules or whoever) travel into the
underworld. In other words, they travel beyond the veil, to the other
side, on a dark and desperate journey, in their case, through the
gates of hell to learn some secret or to rescue some friend or fair
maiden, then return to the land of the living.

I have to believe something as bold and significant as the Veiled
Archway has to have some larger role in the greater story. Many of us
in discussion have speculated that in someway perhaps Harry will make
a short trip beyond the veil to perform some act or learn some secret
that will help him fulfill his hero's journey.

Perhaps, in the final battle Harry will drag Voldemort through the
Veil where he will be dragged down to the depths of hell. Whereas
Harry will meet his parents and Sirius who will tell him that it is
not his time, and that he must return to the land of the living,
which, though reluctant, Harry will do. This would tie in the many
modern day references associating near-death experiences and the
expression 'beyond the veil".

Just making it up as I go a long.

Unfortunately, I can't see the connection between the Arch/Veil and
the Dementors; other than a person's soul being tied to both. Not
saying the connection isn't there, just saying I don't see it. I
believe Dementors are naturally occuring dark creatures. Though, I
have seem other opinions that make them out to be creatures created
for some evil purpose by a wizard using Dark Magic. 

Although, I do admit you idea of souls 'becoming ensnared "within" the
gateway' is an interesting thought. Perhaps the Archway/Veil in sort
of like a purgatory; a place that is neither here nor there, but place
where lost soul must remain until something occurs to move them on to
true and final death or brings them back to the land of the living.
It's definitely a concept I hadn't considered before.

Just a few thoughts.

STeve/bboyminn









From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Mon May  2 19:32:25 2005
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:32:25 -0400
Subject: May I come back?
References: <1115033701.3185.97953.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <00e701c54f4d$ac55fe00$a04a56d1@leeannlaptop>

Mecki,
Welcome back! Don't be afraid to post, this is the friendly group and 
anything goes.
I know how difficult it is to get reaquainted with family and friends after 
a life changing experience. You feel you are a different person and can't 
understand why those you thought understood you just don't or won't get it. 
I'm sure I speak for all us OT members when I say, "We are here for you". 
Feel free to contact me off list if you just want someone to "talk" to.
Leeann


Close ranks people, one of our own needs us! 




From pookiebear364 at gmail.com  Mon May  2 21:39:12 2005
From: pookiebear364 at gmail.com (Pookie)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:39:12 -0000
Subject: a reply to the mail list refered to here!
Message-ID: <d566m0+avun@eGroups.com>

In a message dated 5/1/2005 2:55:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > gbannister10 at a... writes:
> >("Geoff said on the main list:" )
> > Geoff:
> > Excuse me but Christmas and Easter are NOT pagan holidays. By
> > definition, they are Christian festivals.
>
>
> I beg to differ!!!  Christmas came around the same time as YULE and
> easter was known as OSTARA-
>
> When Constintine(sp?) decided that the known world would
> be "christian" the only way he could get people to cooperate was to
> turn the pagan annual events into christian events.  It is history!
>
> As to the "chtistian-izing" of the holiday- I find it a bit amusing
> the christians don't even follow their own teachings- in the Old
> Testament is say explicitly not to cut down the ever green and
adorn
> it in silver and gold which was a part of the pagan belief of the
> time Baal.








From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 23:39:01 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:39:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] a reply to the mail list refered to here!
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050502233901.19968.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com>


Pookie  wrote:
 
> As to the "chtistian-izing" of the holiday- I find it a bit amusing
> the christians don't even follow their own teachings- in the Old
> Testament is say explicitly not to cut down the ever green and
adorn
> it in silver and gold which was a part of the pagan belief of the
> time Baal.
 
Lynn:
 
Just curious.  Where in the Old Testament does it say not to cut down the ever green and adorn it with silver and gold?  The only thing I remember that comes close is in Jeremiah 10 and it is not talking about adorning a tree but rather making an idol out of the wood and adorning that with silver and gold.  It is specifically talking about pagan idols or gods and not adorning a plain old tree which sits around looking pretty.  I suppose if you only read Jeremiah 10:3-4 in some versions you may come to that conclusion but reading the entire passage is where you fully understand that what is being talked about is not a tree but more of a statute or idol which has been crafted out of wood.
 
 
 


 

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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 01:09:13 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] May I come back?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050503010914.26923.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Mecki
 
I am very sorry for your loss.  I lost my father 2 days after christmas (the day after my birthday) this past year.  Welcome back.  You have about enough time to get back up to speed before the Big Day in July!!  I look forward to your posts again.
 
moonmyyst

Mecki <meckelburg at foni.net> wrote:
Hi there!

Most of you won't even remember me, because I haven't sent a single
message for over a year now.
In march last year, I had given birth to a wonderful, but very ill
little girl, Mira Madita. We had a fight for life on the ICU over nine
months, but we lost this fight in january.

It is hard for me to "go out to people again" and after a few feeble
tries in the "real world" I decided to try and contact old friends in
the internet, where you can not see my face, when I'm writing.

So, I might not be cheerful at the moment, or very witty, I might lurk
more than I write. But I'm back, at least I hope so.

Thanks for reading
Mecki,
with 2 kids and 2 angels







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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 03:41:40 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 03:41:40 -0000
Subject: I feel like Petunia
In-Reply-To: <d549ee+6kt6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d56rtk+5edo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> Someone dropped a baby on my doorstep. Not a human baby, fortunately.
> It's a baby bird, a half-grown white-tailed dove if I'm not mistaken.
(snip) So I now have
> a live bird in a Kentucky Fried Chicken box with a hole in it in my
> laundry room. (snip) Just call me Petunia.
> 

Tonks:

Ah.. a KFC box??  lol. poor thing, did it die of fright? 
Seriously, hope it is OK.

Tonks_op






From someoneofsomeplace at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  3 06:56:36 2005
From: someoneofsomeplace at yahoo.com.au (Someone)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 06:56:36 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Oh_Yeah,_it=92s_the_Dementors-Veiled-Gateway-Connection-Theory_!?=
In-Reply-To: <d54s11+f5f7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d577b4+59on@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Someone" 
<someoneofsomeplace at y...> wrote:
> Has anyone considered whether the origin of the dementors might 
not be 
> found in the workings of the ancient, veiled gateway? It seems to 
me 
> that the gateway separates the soul from the body of the subject, 
the 
> soul passing on to wherever it is souls go to once a person dies 
(or, 
> alternatively, becoming ensnared "within" the gateway?). The body, 
> however, separated from its soul, continues to "live on" as the 
> undead. Very similar, it can be seen, to the concept of the 
dementors. 
> The gateway was described as very old; perhaps this *is* how the 
very 
> first dementors came to inhabit the earth? 
> 
> 
> The question is, who created the archway, and was this its 
original, 
> fiendish, intention? If so, how would this benifit the architect? 
> Indeed, having accepted this connection, what other implications 
can 
> we draw from it, relevant to the plot of HP?
> 
> John.

John: 
Sorry! This post was supposed to find its way on to the main list, 
but got...misplaced.

My fault, of course.

John.






From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May  3 11:54:52 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:54:52 -0000
Subject: Re costco membership - was re HBP
In-Reply-To: <d4ugg2+hcpv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d57oqc+4nin@eGroups.com>

> SSSusan wrote:
> Thanks for this tip.  I had my first-ever visit to a Costco         
> yesterday, in Indianapolis, and it was fun.  I haven't signed on for 
> a membership yet, but if I do, it's nice to know there's another 
> alternative if my local stores don't have an adequate supply.

LOL!!  I have visions of you madly hammering at a friend's door at 
1:00am frantically begging them to get up and take you to Costco to 
buy the book because the local store ran out and you don't have 
membership!!

I'm going to be away that weekend (bad planning) with a friend and our 
two 4 year olds and have casually mentioned that it might be fun to 
join the queues outside the bookshop at midnight - she looked at me 
horrified!!!

Karen








From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue May  3 12:54:27 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:54:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re costco membership - was re HBP
In-Reply-To: <d57oqc+4nin@eGroups.com>
References: <d4ugg2+hcpv@eGroups.com> <d57oqc+4nin@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005050305544316d683@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/3/05, Karen Barker <karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > SSSusan wrote:
> > Thanks for this tip.  I had my first-ever visit to a Costco
> > yesterday, in Indianapolis, and it was fun.  I haven't signed on for
> > a membership yet, but if I do, it's nice to know there's another
> > alternative if my local stores don't have an adequate supply.
> 
> LOL!!  I have visions of you madly hammering at a friend's door at
> 1:00am frantically begging them to get up and take you to Costco to
> buy the book because the local store ran out and you don't have
> membership!!

I let my Costco membership expire this May.  However, I have still
have Sam's Club--must have at least one wholesale store card to get
oversized quantities! {chuckle}  The irony is that Costco and Sam's
Club are within a couple blocks of each other... Clearwater Mall (what
used to be a 'mall' and also has the Costco store) is within 2-3
minutes drive of where I work and they've got a Borders there.  Drive
another five minutes and you can reach a Barnes&Noble.  So, even if I
decide to speck out the 'midnight release', dunno which store to
choose.

Dina



From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  3 13:15:20 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:15:20 -0000
Subject: Re costco membership - was re HBP
In-Reply-To: <d57oqc+4nin@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d57th8+2o17@eGroups.com>

SSSusan wrote:
> > Thanks for this tip.  I had my first-ever visit to a Costco 
> > yesterday, in Indianapolis, and it was fun.  I haven't signed on 
> > for a membership yet, but if I do, it's nice to know there's 
> > another alternative if my local stores don't have an adequate 
> > supply.

Karen: 
> LOL!!  I have visions of you madly hammering at a friend's door at 
> 1:00am frantically begging them to get up and take you to Costco to 
> buy the book because the local store ran out and you don't have 
> membership!!

SSSusan:
Hee.  Well, I promise not to do that. ;-)  I have my Amazon order 
which should arrive later in the day as my backup.  I'll admit, 
though, that I wasn't worried about finding a copy at my local Wal-
Mart or Kroger grocery store 'til Ravenclaw Bookworm described the 
lines last time in her mom's similarly-sized small town.  

So maybe I'd better get that Costco membership up & running!


Karen:
> I'm going to be away that weekend (bad planning) with a friend and 
> our two 4 year olds and have casually mentioned that it might be 
> fun to join the queues outside the bookshop at midnight - she 
> looked at me horrified!!!

SSSusan:
I'm sure the wisdom of that move depends on the type of 4-year-old 
you each have! My two would probably have loved the adventure of it 
when they were 4. I'll bet in your case, the two 4-year-olds having 
each other would make it fun.  Question is:  would it be fun for you 
two moms? :-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan, with welcome back wishes for Mecki.







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 13:53:24 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes!
Message-ID: <20050503135324.68993.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com>

*surveys decorated room with satisfaction and turns on
all the lights*

Yes, I've forgotten a birthday again. Blame it on
exhaustion, I just collapsed on the couch last night
and woke up this morning! *shuts ears in oven door*

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Dazzed Warlock.
Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to: dazzednow at hotmail.com

I hope your day was magical and filled with HP
goodness.

Happy Birthday, Dazzed Warlock!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue May  3 13:53:49 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:53:49 -0400
Subject: KOH UK Premiere (LOTR + HP actor pics)
Message-ID: <1a27384005050306532538ec97@mail.gmail.com>

Long link that'll probably get broken in transit:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/FrameSet.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|0|30|0|0|1|0|0|0|52682516|0|0|0|0|0||0|0|0|0&p=3

If the above doesn't work, try a search on Kingdom of Heaven.

Don't let that first pic of Eva Green (#52752036) scare you, which
added to my wondering if she was a bit 'tipsy'.  Heh, some folk
criticize Emma Watson for sometimes being 'fugly' but I think I know
where Orlando Bloom's previous ecclectic style came from based on how
his mum and sister dress, but he's still got that 'aww' factor when
his date is his grandma (pic #52748457).  Anna Friel, looking
beautiful and pregnant, is with David Thewlis in a few of the picks
but the cut of that dress. =:-o  If the dress has to hug the tummy all
over, then don't have a flowing skirt underneath.  And speaking of
what not to wear, Trinny is there as well.  David Tennant has a rather
anti-smile expression on the first page.  I'm amused by how Sean Astin
is barefoot (#52748382 for a close-up of just his feet - minus the
Hobbit hair).

Man, can't wait to see the various premiere pics of GOF come in to go
'what were they thinking'. {g}

Dina



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 14:01:40 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:01:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Phyllis!
Message-ID: <20050503140140.78441.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com>

*adds extra streamers and balloons to the already
over-decorated room and suspends tiny glittery lights
above the party-goers*

What do mean I'm over doing it? There's no such thing
as too many decorations!

Today's birthday honouree is Phyllis. Birthday wishes
can be sent care of this list or directly to:
erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com

I hope your day is filled with joy, magic, the company
of good friends and short work day. :-)

Happy Birthday, Phyllis!

*trots off to find enough food to feed the evergrowing
number of party guests*

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who will always owe Phyllis
a debt of gratitude for last year :)

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 14:10:27 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Birthday decor (was: Re: Happy Birthday, Catherine!)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050503141027.93138.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Carol adds:
> Lucky Catherine! With a decor like that, how can she
> not have had a
> happy birthday?
> 
> Carol, requesting a Rickman!Snape decor for her next
> birthday, too,
> which unfortunately isn't till next April 16
> 
> 

Will happily comply with the decorations request when
your birthday rolls around next, though you might have
to remind me. I'm a forgetful Birthday Elf. :D

Sheryll

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 14:18:43 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:18:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] May I come back?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050503141844.94841.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Mecki <meckelburg at foni.net> wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> Most of you won't even remember me, because I
> haven't sent a single
> message for over a year now.
> In march last year, I had given birth to a
> wonderful, but very ill
> little girl, Mira Madita. We had a fight for life on
> the ICU over nine
> months, but we lost this fight in january.
> 
> It is hard for me to "go out to people again" and
> after a few feeble
> tries in the "real world" I decided to try and
> contact old friends in
> the internet, where you can not see my face, when
> I'm writing.
> 
> So, I might not be cheerful at the moment, or very
> witty, I might lurk
> more than I write. But I'm back, at least I hope so.
> 
> Thanks for reading
> Mecki,
> with 2 kids and 2 angels
> 

*welcomes Mecki back with open arms*

Of course I remember you! I'm so sorry you've had a
difficult time. Hopefully you'll find this is still a
nice friendly place where you can post freely and feel
welcome.

*hugs*

Sheryll

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From rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  3 15:04:05 2005
From: rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk (dream_catcher3010)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:04:05 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
Message-ID: <d583t5+tq3s@eGroups.com>

Hi! This is my first time posting on this list but i was hoping some
of you could help me in reccomending some really good quality fan-
fiction.

I've read Cassandra Claire's Draco Veritas stories and loved them, 
that's the sort of quality writing im hoping to find again. In the run 
up to HBP I'm going out of my mind and need my Potter fix but with the 
sheer vastness of fanfiction nowadays i simply can't face plowing my 
way through so many when there are so few that are well written.

I'd be so grateful if you could post any that you have read and
really enjoyed. I dont mind what ships are involved (if any), how long 
it is or what form the story takes - just as long as it is well written.

Many thanks and best regards,
Rachel

gen-oo-ine English person






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue May  3 15:15:11 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:15:11 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Can anyone reccomend?
References: <d583t5+tq3s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4277957F.000001.01980@KATHRYN>

 
Rachel
 
I'd be so grateful if you could post any that you have read and
really enjoyed. I dont mind what ships are involved (if any), how long
it is or what form the story takes - just as long as it is well written.
 



Are you in the market for a WIP or do you only want finished fic. I'm on a
yahoo group for a *very* good WIP that hasn't been updated in ages due to
some work pressures on the author but she keeps in touch and it will be
finished eventually (although my money is on Book 7 being published first).
I won't bother giving you details until I know if you're interested (because
I can't be bothered to search out the web address or exact Yahoo group name)
and I know WIPs drive some people utterly nuts.

K

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From rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  3 15:24:10 2005
From: rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk (dream_catcher3010)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:24:10 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <4277957F.000001.01980@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d5852q+e5rm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:

K;

> Are you in the market for a WIP or do you only want finished fic.
I'm 
on a
> yahoo group for a *very* good WIP that hasn't been updated in ages 
due to
> some work pressures on the author but she keeps in touch and it
will 
be
> finished eventually 

Sorry, I forgot to specify that part! No, WIPs are fine, really, i'm 
open to anything. (I'm supposed to be revising and I'll have to 
catch up with what's already been posted - so usually the odds are on
the 
updates coming before I reach that far!)

Thanks,
Rachel







From heidi at heidi8.com  Tue May  3 15:30:41 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:30:41 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d583t5+tq3s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d585f1+s9b6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dream_catcher3010"
<rachelday at b...> wrote:
> Hi! This is my first time posting on this list but i was hoping some
> of you could help me in reccomending some really good quality fan-
> fiction.

Welcome to hpfgu!

You might want to look over the Niffler recommendations at
FictionAlley -
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=106
- for an overview of well-written fics, although they cover a wide
range of recs and may not all be to one's liking. We also have two
threads for oft-recommended fics - post OotP -
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78934
- and pre -
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33800

I personally recommend Stealing Harry by SamVimes -
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Samvimes/Stealing_Harry/ - he's
also Copperbadge on livejournal. Here's his summary: If Lucius Malfoy
got to Peter Pettigrew before Sirius could, Sirius would be a bookshop
owner, Remus would have a steady job, and one day, when Harry Potter
was eight-and-a-half years old, they might kidnap him from the
Dursleys... 

The series turns into sirius/remus but it's not a primarily-romance
fic. SH is complete, as is the first part of the sequel, Laocoon's
Children - LC is in the second year of Harry et al at Hogwarts now.

Heidi






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 15:36:57 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:36:57 -0000
Subject: May I come back?
In-Reply-To: <d54hlq+3blj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d585qp+rek9@eGroups.com>

"Mecki" <meckelburg at f...> wrote:
Hi there!
 
Most of you won't even remember me, because I haven't sent a single
message for over a year now.
In march last year, I had given birth to a wonderful, but very ill
little girl, Mira Madita. We had a fight for life on the ICU over nine
months, but we lost this fight in january.
 
It is hard for me to "go out to people again" and after a few feeble
tries in the "real world" I decided to try and contact old friends in
the internet, where you can not see my face, when I'm writing.
 
So, I might not be cheerful at the moment, or very witty, I might lurk
more than I write. But I'm back, at least I hope so.
 
Thanks for reading
Mecki,
with 2 kids and 2 angels


Alla:

Dear Mecki,

I don't remember you, but I am very sorry for your loss. 

Welcome back.

Alla.







From rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  3 15:36:55 2005
From: rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk (dream_catcher3010)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:36:55 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d585f1+s9b6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d585qn+bb3q@eGroups.com>

Heidi; 
You might want to look over the Niffler recommendations at 
FictionAlley -
>
Huge Snip!
>
I personally recommend Stealing Harry by SamVimes -
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Samvimes/Stealing_Harry/ - he's
also Copperbadge on livejournal. Here's his summary: If Lucius Malfoy
got to Peter Pettigrew before Sirius could, Sirius would be a bookshop
owner, Remus would have a steady job, and one day, when Harry Potter
was eight-and-a-half years old, they might kidnap him from the
Dursleys... 

Me;
Wow! that should keep me busy! :D Thanks a lot, I got to head off to 
work now but I'll check those out when i get back. Stealing Harry 
sounds good, I'll look forward to reading it.

Thanks again
Rachel






From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Tue May  3 15:45:40 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:45:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d583t5+tq3s@eGroups.com>
References: <d583t5+tq3s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bdeae6cbd109c2b5d7ff653b2bd4cb94@fandm.edu>

Rachel:
> Hi! This is my first time posting on this list but i was hoping some
> of you could help me in reccomending some really good quality fan-
> fiction.
>
> I've read Cassandra Claire's Draco Veritas stories and loved them,
> that's the sort of quality writing im hoping to find again. In the run
> up to HBP I'm going out of my mind and need my Potter fix but with the
> sheer vastness of fanfiction nowadays i simply can't face plowing my
> way through so many when there are so few that are well written.

Well, if you're already reading Cassie, you're only a hop, skip, and a 
jump away from reading Lori's Paradigm of Uncertainty (they share are 
Yahoogroup).  Both authors started writing about the same time (often 
referred to as the Golden Age of Harry Potter Fanfiction) and have two 
books completed and a third in progress.  Lori's writing is of similar 
quality to Cassie's (although I think both authors have improved 
tremendously since their first few chapters), although her story is 
much more unambiguously H/Hr.  I think Lori has actually edged Cassie 
out as my favorite author at this point, if only because her plotting 
is stronger and more coherent.  As I'm sure you've noticed, things in 
the DT often get quite convoluted and hard to follow.

You may want to also check out Cassie's shorter works -- especially the 
humorous ones, like A Lot To Be Upset About.  It's priceless. ^_^

Those are the two main authors that I follow -- I really can't stand 
reading even mediocre writing, even if the plot is good, so that really 
restricts what I like.  For instance, I must've tried reading Barb's 
Psychic Serpent and Arya's Acceptance of Fate a million times, with no 
luck yet.  However, if you can get by the (IMHO) sub-par stuff in the 
beginning, I've heard that they get better with time.

Two authors that I've recently taken up with are CK Talons, who has 
finished The Human Condition and is shortly starting a new fic 
tentatively entitled The Mimicry Talisman, and Jane99 on Portkey.com, 
who has a WIP called Harry Potter and the Eye of the Storm, which is a 
gem.  Again, it's on Portkey, so it will most likely end up strongly in 
favor of H/Hr, although romance hasn't really figured into the plot 
thus far.

Hope that helps!
Laura




From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue May  3 16:25:40 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:25:40 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d585f1+s9b6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005301c54ffc$c07e1b10$242bf304@pensive>

Wow, I've been looking for this one, actually.  Someone told me once bout a
fic in which Sirius and Remus kidnap Harry from the Dursleys when he's
eight, but they could remember the name.

However, dream catcher, you might also like to try these:

fate
http://www.thedarkarts.org/authors/ejade/fatepro.html
Harry, Remus and Sirius try to g back to 1981 and save James and Lily.  But
will Fate allow them to succeed? That's my own synopsis, not the authors.
it's still I progress, but it's well written with good action, emotion and
humor.  One of my favorites

Harry potter and the guild of the Night
http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/katling/GN01.html
Harry is seriously injured by Vernon Dursley at the beginning of the summer
after OOTP.  

This fic is complete and the sequel is well under way.  Another one of my
favorites.  Ok, I like fics with lots of Harry and his friends plus Sirius
and Remus.  

Resonance
http://www.thedarkarts.org/authors/salamander/R01.html
Snape adopts Harry.  if you like Snape, this is a great one.  mostly post
Hogwarts story with great Snape and Harry playing the field with the girls
as well as going through auror training.

Oblivious by Jess Pallas: Chapter 21
http://www.thedarkarts.org/authors/jpallas/O21.html
This is a Lupin story, going back into the author's idea of how he could
have been bitten and his attempts to protect Harry in present time from a
feral werewolf.  If you like lupin, this s a great story, because it's very
canon Lupin I think  

There's just a few of my favorites and ones I consider well written.  I'm
normally not a big fan of Snape centric fics, but Resonance is wonderful.
Enjoy.

sherry


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:31 AM
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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Can anyone reccomend?


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dream_catcher3010"
<rachelday at b...> wrote:
> Hi! This is my first time posting on this list but i was hoping some
> of you could help me in reccomending some really good quality fan-
> fiction.

Welcome to hpfgu!

You might want to look over the Niffler recommendations at
FictionAlley -
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&foru
mid=106
- for an overview of well-written fics, although they cover a wide
range of recs and may not all be to one's liking. We also have two
threads for oft-recommended fics - post OotP -
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?s=&thread
id=78934
- and pre -
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?s=&thread
id=33800

I personally recommend Stealing Harry by SamVimes -
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Samvimes/Stealing_Harry/ - he's
also Copperbadge on livejournal. Here's his summary: If Lucius Malfoy
got to Peter Pettigrew before Sirius could, Sirius would be a bookshop
owner, Remus would have a steady job, and one day, when Harry Potter
was eight-and-a-half years old, they might kidnap him from the
Dursleys... 

The series turns into sirius/remus but it's not a primarily-romance
fic. SH is complete, as is the first part of the sequel, Laocoon's
Children - LC is in the second year of Harry et al at Hogwarts now.

Heidi






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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  3 18:20:26 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:20:26 -0000
Subject: Birthday decor (was: Re: Happy Birthday, Catherine!)
In-Reply-To: <20050503141027.93138.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d58fda+ka0n@eGroups.com>

Carol adds:
> > Lucky Catherine! With a decor like that, how can she
> > not have had a happy birthday?
> > 
> > Carol, requesting a Rickman!Snape decor for her next
> > birthday, too, which unfortunately isn't till next April 16

Sheryll:
> Will happily comply with the decorations request when
> your birthday rolls around next, though you might have
> to remind me. I'm a forgetful Birthday Elf. :D


Oh, not to worry!  I shan't forget Carol's request and shall give you a 
little whisper in the ear.  Besides, you'll have brushed up on your 
Rickman decorating skills in February for me anyhow. ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 18:26:52 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:26:52 -0000
Subject: Re costco membership - was re HBP
In-Reply-To: <d57oqc+4nin@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d58fpc+hgnf@eGroups.com>

> I'm going to be away that weekend (bad planning) with a friend and our 
> two 4 year olds and have casually mentioned that it might be fun to 
> join the queues outside the bookshop at midnight - she looked at me 
> horrified!!!
> 
> Karen

What the heck, it'll be midnight -- just leave her and the two
four-year-olds and go to the midnight party yourself (well, let her
know beforehand, of course, naturally)!  Then stay awake all night
reading by flashlight -- don't forget to take extra batteries!

It's what I would have done...

Annemehr







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  3 18:32:30 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:32:30 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <bdeae6cbd109c2b5d7ff653b2bd4cb94@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <d58g3u+9f7c@eGroups.com>

Rachel:
> > Hi! This is my first time posting on this list but i was hoping some
> > of you could help me in reccomending some really good quality fan-
> > fiction.

Laura:
> Well, if you're already reading Cassie, you're only a hop, skip, and 
> a jump away from reading Lori's Paradigm of Uncertainty 
<snip> 
> Those are the two main authors that I follow -- I really can't stand 
> reading even mediocre writing, even if the plot is good, so that 
> really restricts what I like. 


SSSusan:
I read very, very little fic, largely because I don't have time, but 
also because I'm totally in agreement with Laura about what I will 
read.  

That said, if you don't mind novel-length (and I mean *novel*-length) 
and the fact that Sirius is alive & well in the story, I'd highly 
recommend Arabella & Zsenya's After the End.  You can find it here:
http://www.sugarquill.net/read.php?storyid=619&chapno=1

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From ajroald at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 20:04:58 2005
From: ajroald at yahoo.com (Lea)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:04:58 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d58g3u+9f7c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d58lha+eb6a@eGroups.com>

> SSSusan:
> That said, if you don't mind novel-length (and I mean *novel*-
> length) and the fact that Sirius is alive & well in the story,
> I'd highly recommend Arabella & Zsenya's After the End.  You can 
> find it here:
> http://www.sugarquill.net/read.php?storyid=619&chapno=1


Oh, I'll second After the End, that was one of the first stories of 
the fandom I ever read!  

If you liked Cassandra Claire's Draco Trilogy, you might also like 
anything written by Cinnamon:

http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Cinnamon/

I especially liked her Sea of Waking Dreams and Chainless Soul.  

Hope you have time to digest all these fabulous fics!

Lea





From rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  3 21:54:54 2005
From: rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk (dream_catcher3010)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:54:54 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <bdeae6cbd109c2b5d7ff653b2bd4cb94@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <d58rve+eq3p@eGroups.com>

Laura;

>Lori's writing is of similar 
> quality to Cassie's ..snip.. I think Lori has actually edged Cassie 
> out as my favorite author at this point, if only because her 
plotting 
> is stronger and more coherent.  As I'm sure you've noticed, things 
in 
> the DT often get quite convoluted and hard to follow.


Yeah i did notice that, especially as it was sometimes a few weeks in 
between readings for me when i was reading those - i often had to go 
back a little to remind myself what had happened 

 
> You may want to also check out Cassie's shorter works -- especially 
the 
> humorous ones, like A Lot To Be Upset About.  It's priceless. ^_^


Thanks! I didn't know she'd done any others (although it has been a 
while since i've read any fanfic), I'll definitely give them a look

 
> Two authors that I've recently taken up with are CK Talons, who has 
> finished The Human Condition and is shortly starting a new fic 
> tentatively entitled The Mimicry Talisman, and Jane99 on 
Portkey.com, 


> Hope that helps!
> Laura

Thanks Laura, I'm sure it will, they sound great :D





From rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  3 21:54:42 2005
From: rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk (dream_catcher3010)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:54:42 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <bdeae6cbd109c2b5d7ff653b2bd4cb94@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <d58rv2+6u0s@eGroups.com>

Laura;

>Lori's writing is of similar 
> quality to Cassie's ..snip.. I think Lori has actually edged Cassie 
> out as my favorite author at this point, if only because her 
plotting 
> is stronger and more coherent.  As I'm sure you've noticed, things 
in 
> the DT often get quite convoluted and hard to follow.


Yeah i did notice that, especially as it was sometimes a few weeks in 
between readings for me when i was reading those - i often had to go 
back a little to remind myself what had happened 

 
> You may want to also check out Cassie's shorter works -- especially 
the 
> humorous ones, like A Lot To Be Upset About.  It's priceless. ^_^


Thanks! I didn't know she'd done any others (although it has been a 
while since i've read any fanfic), I'll definitely give them a look

 
> Two authors that I've recently taken up with are CK Talons, who has 
> finished The Human Condition and is shortly starting a new fic 
> tentatively entitled The Mimicry Talisman, and Jane99 on 
Portkey.com, 


> Hope that helps!
> Laura

Thanks Laura, I'm sure it will, they sound great :D





From rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  3 22:02:18 2005
From: rachelday at blueyonder.co.uk (dream_catcher3010)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:02:18 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d58lha+eb6a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d58sda+ifor@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lea" <ajroald at y...> wrote:
> > SSSusan:
> > That said, if you don't mind novel-length (and I mean *novel*-
> > length) and the fact that Sirius is alive & well in the story,
> > I'd highly recommend Arabella & Zsenya's After the End.  You can 
> > find it here:
> > http://www.sugarquill.net/read.php?storyid=619&chapno=1
> 
> 
> Oh, I'll second After the End, that was one of the first stories of 
> the fandom I ever read!  
> 
> If you liked Cassandra Claire's Draco Trilogy, you might also like 
> anything written by Cinnamon:
> 
> http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Cinnamon/
> 
> I especially liked her Sea of Waking Dreams and Chainless Soul.  
> 
> Hope you have time to digest all these fabulous fics!
> 
> Lea


me now;

sorry for the double post, but I had to say thanks to Lea and Susan 
as well (I can see this this is someting i might have to control!)
These all sound great and I really look forward to reading them, and 
thanks for the links as well, I lost all my bookmarked sites a few 
months ago when my computer went down and couldn't remember their 
names for the life of me!

Now I just need to find the time to read them all, they lie when they 
say coursework 
counts towards your final grade right?

Eagerly yours,
Rachel





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May  3 22:05:17 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:05:17 -0000
Subject: Rules of Inheritance under English Common Law
Message-ID: <d58sit+tkjf@eGroups.com>

The issue of Harry inheriting Sirius and perhaps the Black Family
Estate has come up often. In addition, I have been discussing with
others whether Tom Riddle claimed the Riddle Family Estate. For the
record, I think he did.
 
In the course of that discussion I discovered the following LINK-

Addressing the Duke and Inheriting his Loot
http://it.uwp.edu/lansdowne/als.html
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Which says in part-

Normal Rules for Inheritance of Property-

Under English Common Law all property descended to the eldest
surviving son, or if there were no surviving sons, then was equally
divided among the surviving daughters. If there were no daughters it
fell to the eldest brother. If there were no brothers it was equally
divided among sisters. If there were neither brothers nor sisters it
could not ascend to the father, uncles, grandfather etc. It always
descended, never ascended. Note that this differs from the rules for
titles, which could ascend (to an uncle, for instance).

Common Law made no provision whatever for a man's younger descendants
other than the eldest's obligation by honor to care for them. Not all
were honorable, however, and Common Law could and sometimes did leave
the younger descendants in dire straits, as all regency romance
readers are well aware (a favorite plot). Thus the origin of entails,
settlements and (later) wills. Major landowners (the nobility and the
landed gentry) needed a way to ensure that their younger children were
not left completely dependent on the primary heir. 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

This weakens my belief that Draco has some claim to the Black Family
Estate, but I haven't given up completely. From the above statement,
it seems that the remaining Black cousins might have some claim, but
with Male priority, it could still go to Draco. Harry only has a
chance it there is a Will.

The link shown above also discussed Entailments, which are provision
that are attached to an estate to help keep the wealth concentrated.

I found this and several other links by searching Google for
'Entailments Inheritance English Law'. 

Hope this sheds some light on the inheritance issues.

Steve/bboyminn






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue May  3 22:43:11 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:43:11 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Can anyone reccomend?
References: <d5852q+e5rm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4277FE7F.000001.00900@KATHRYN>

Rachel
 
 
Sorry, I forgot to specify that part! No, WIPs are fine, really, i'm
open to anything. (I'm supposed to be revising and I'll have to
catch up with what's already been posted - so usually the odds are on
the
updates coming before I reach that far!)




This fic is Harry/Snape, but before people run away (and I know lots of
people hate this pairing and not because it's slash - slash haters may as
well go away because there's nothing I can say to convince them to read
this) Harry isn't really Harry exactly (I'm *not* saying he's OOC), but I
can't explain without basically telling you the entire plot. Briefly Harry
gets sucked into an alternate universe (sort of) and then spat back out at
the same time and place as he left but having lived about fifteen years and
fought a war in the alternate universe. No one else knows. Sort of.

The thing I usually suggest to people who are iffy about the pairing is -
just read the first three chapters and then make up your mind. By that time
you'll see why it works (or not) without having to suffer any real
interaction between the two of them. It's stunningly original (and I can
count on one hand, probably with fingers left over, the number of HP fanfics
that can honestly say that) and very well written.

It's archived at the site below and also has a yahoo group if you like it
and want to keep up with updates. Just a warning - do not join the group and
ask 'is the author ever going to update or has she given up?' the answer is
in the FAQ and some idiot asks that at least once a month and it's getting
*very* irritating - so if you do ignore the FAQ and ask don't be surprised
if lots of heavy objects get thrown ;)

http://www.greyblue.net/MidnightBlue/Mirror/default.htm

K

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From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Tue May  3 23:30:48 2005
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:30:48 -0000
Subject: Fic Recs
Message-ID: <d591j8+55cl@eGroups.com>

Love all the recommendations, thanks everyone, and thanks to Rachel 
for starting the thread! :-)

There's a (mostly empty) database table here on OTC for fic recs, so
it'd be great if anyone would like to make some entries there...  
Hint, hint...  <g>

--Kelley





From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Tue May  3 23:46:40 2005
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:46:40 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Phyllis!
In-Reply-To: <20050503140140.78441.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d592h0+sda7@eGroups.com>

Sheryll, the B-day Elf wrote: 
> I hope your day is filled with joy, magic, the company
> of good friends and short work day. :-)
> 
> Happy Birthday, Phyllis!

Ha, oh brilliant!  Happy birthday, Phyllis!  You absolutely 
deserve the most wonderful of days... :-)

> Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who will always owe Phyllis
> a debt of gratitude for last year :)

Heh, along with the huge debt of gratitude owed to her from 
all the Elves -- you're the best, Phyllis!  :-D

--Kelley





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May  4 03:44:02 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:44:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthday decor (was: Re: Happy Birthday, Catherine!)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050504034402.16777.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com>

> Sheryll, in response to Carol's request for a
Rickman birthday theme:
> > Will happily comply with the decorations request
> when
> > your birthday rolls around next, though you might
> have
> > to remind me. I'm a forgetful Birthday Elf. :D
> 
> SSSusan:
> Oh, not to worry!  I shan't forget Carol's request
> and shall give you a 
> little whisper in the ear.  Besides, you'll have
> brushed up on your 
> Rickman decorating skills in February for me anyhow.
> ;-)
> 
Sheryll:
Should I be starting a list of everyone who wants a
Rickman/Snape theme for the birthday? :-D

Sheryll, hoping one of you returns the favour when her
birthday rolls around

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed May  4 03:46:33 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:46:33 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthday decor (was: Re: Happy Birthday, Catherine!)
References: <20050504034402.16777.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01a301c5505b$dec18e40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Sheryll wrote:

<>
Sheryll:
Should I be starting a list of everyone
who wants a
Rickman/Snape theme for the birthday? >

I want Tom Felton!  No..wait, I want
someone to remember ON THE DAY...and
Tom!

*hides from Sheryll*  Love you?


Saitaina
****
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you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May  4 04:19:01 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 04:19:01 -0000
Subject: Birthday decor (was: Re: Happy Birthday, Catherine!)
In-Reply-To: <d58fda+ka0n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d59ifl+ipbh@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > > Lucky Catherine! With a decor like that, how can she not have
had a happy birthday?
> > > Carol, requesting a Rickman!Snape decor for her next birthday,
too, which unfortunately isn't till next April 16
> 
> Sheryll:
> > Will happily comply with the decorations request when your
birthday rolls around next, though you might have to remind me. I'm a
forgetful Birthday Elf. :D
> 
> 
> Oh, not to worry!  I shan't forget Carol's request and shall give
you a little whisper in the ear.  Besides, you'll have brushed up on
your Rickman decorating skills in February for me anyhow. ;-)
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan


Thanks, SSS. I can always count on you. 

Carol





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May  4 04:39:44 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 04:39:44 -0000
Subject: I feel like Petunia
In-Reply-To: <d56rtk+5edo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d59jmg+n00e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
> <justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> > Someone dropped a baby on my doorstep. Not a human baby, fortunately.
> > It's a baby bird, a half-grown white-tailed dove if I'm not mistaken.
> (snip) So I now have
> > a live bird in a Kentucky Fried Chicken box with a hole in it in my
> > laundry room. (snip) Just call me Petunia.
> > 
> 
> Tonks:
> 
> Ah.. a KFC box??  lol. poor thing, did it die of fright? 
> Seriously, hope it is OK.
> 
> Tonks_op


After hours of trying to reach agencies by phone on a Sunday night, I
finally got the name, address, and phone number of some people
licensed by the state of Arizona to rehabilitate wild birds. They told
me how to keep it alive overnight, and I'm happy to report that it
chirped in its KFC box all the way to its new home. They said it was
healthy and they would take care of it. (How he got in the box in the
first place, I don't know. I think a neighborhood kid must have found
it on the ground, shaken and scared but unhurt, and put its box on my
doorstep because his mother wouldn't let him keep it. ("Oh, give it to
the nice lady in number 23. She'll take care of it!")

Anyway, now I can get back to craning my neck to see what the
neighbors are doing. Um, I mean back to what passes for my normal life.

Thanks to everyone who expressed concern or gave good advice. (Where
was Elfrida Clagg when I needed her?)

Carol 





From lily_mortis at yahoo.com  Wed May  4 04:49:53 2005
From: lily_mortis at yahoo.com (Calla)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 04:49:53 -0000
Subject: Introduction and Idea (Blog Carnival)
Message-ID: <d59k9h+7pci@eGroups.com>

Good evening, I'm new. 

I have read Harry Potter since early high school. My first memory of
the PS/SS is from a debate trip my freshman year. I read over a
chapter in a bookstore at a mall and then left the book. Later, I
wanted to read the whole book, but all I could remember was a boy who
always dirt on his nose. My parents bought me the first book as a gift
and I was very pleasantly surprised to find the book was the same as
the one I had been seeking. 

That was a while ago. I am now 20 years old and finishing up my second
year of college. I am studying Comparative Literature, History, and
Japanese. I do not yet know what I want to do post-schooling, but I
have narrowed my list down to three options. Currently my work makes
me one of those people everyone hates-- I call alumni of my university
and ask for donations. If you want to learn how to really annoy the
callers, just email me. I'll give you all the tips you need. Random
trivia: I am the eldest of four in my family, my favorite color is
green, and I love calla lilies (hence the yahoo pseudonym).

I do not have a LiveJournal like most people, but I do blog
(http://www.lilyfiles.blogspot.com). One development in the blogging
culture is the 'Blog Carnival.' Each carnival has its own theme from
medicene to cats and each week one of the more frequent submitters to
the carnival will post a list of blog entries submitted to the
carnival. Hosts change each week and each host has his or her own
interesting way of introducing that week's essays. The oldest carnival
is the 'Carnival of Vanities.' (This is also one of the few carnivals
that addresses multiple topics.) The most recent edition of CoV can be
found here:
http://jcb.pentex-net.com/archives/2005/04/carnival_of_the.html

Anyway, considering that so many people do write about Harry Potter on
a regular basis, I think that a Harry Potter Blog Carnival should be
considered. The format would work for any sort of online postings,
whether blogs, LJs, MoveavbleType, etc. And it would provide a way for
people to share their essays and thoughts with a larger audience. We
could have a weekly or (better) bi-weekly call for essays and start up
a list for potential hosts. I think this would provide a definite
service for the HP community. If something like this already exists, I
would like a link. I've found essay compilation sites, but nothing
that allows for people to submit new essays often or that compiles
links to recent essays that people may wish to peruse.

Calla





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed May  4 09:02:07 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:02:07 -0000
Subject: May I come back?
In-Reply-To: <d54hlq+3blj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5a32f+pudo@eGroups.com>

Mecki wrote:
 
> Most of you won't even remember me, because I haven't sent a single
> message for over a year now.
> In march last year, I had given birth to a wonderful, but very ill
> little girl, Mira Madita. We had a fight for life on the ICU over 
nine
> months, but we lost this fight in january.
> 
> It is hard for me to "go out to people again" and after a few 
feeble
> tries in the "real world" I decided to try and contact old friends 
in
> the internet, where you can not see my face, when I'm writing.
> 
> So, I might not be cheerful at the moment, or very witty, I might 
lurk
> more than I write. But I'm back, at least I hope so.

Of course you are welcome back.  I'm very sorry to hear your news, 
but it's good to hear from you again.

David





From mob9 at pokefin.zzn.com  Wed May  4 12:04:06 2005
From: mob9 at pokefin.zzn.com (Ninetales)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:04:06 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
Message-ID: <d5adnm+cbir@eGroups.com>

That my mother said that I shouldn't read Harry Potter, because I'm
too old to do so.(I'm over 18 years old.) 
And I even found article from newspaper that women should not read
Harry Potter. They should read those cheap novels about romance and
nothing else... (You know, 'hospital romance'?)
So, I decided search community to grown-up Harry Potter-fans which is
not full of young kids, but matured fans..
(Excuse my English.) 






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  4 13:16:55 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:16:55 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5adnm+cbir@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5ai07+9rig@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ninetales" <mob9 at p...> wrote:
> That my mother said that I shouldn't read Harry Potter, because I'm
> too old to do so.(I'm over 18 years old.) 
> And I even found article from newspaper that women should not read
> Harry Potter. They should read those cheap novels about romance and
> nothing else... (You know, 'hospital romance'?)
> So, I decided search community to grown-up Harry Potter-fans which 
is
> not full of young kids, but matured fans..
> (Excuse my English.)

SSSusan:
Welcome aboard, ninetales!

I would never let anyone tell me what I shouldn't read something 
because I'm "too old" for it!  While I'd never agree anyway that the 
HP books are "too young" for adults (and I'm 43), I also still read 
and enjoy lots of books from my youth [the Betsy-Tacy books, the 
Little House books, The Narnia series, E.B. White, etc.].  To me, 
they're like comfort food.  

Maybe your mom should check out the quality of some of the posts at 
HPfGU, and she'll be convinced there's a lot of substance to Harry!

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  4 13:18:32 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:18:32 -0000
Subject: Birthday decor (was: Re: Happy Birthday, Catherine!)
In-Reply-To: <20050504034402.16777.qmail@web41122.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d5ai38+ciam@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
> > Oh, not to worry!  I shan't forget Carol's request
> > and shall give you a 
> > little whisper in the ear.  Besides, you'll have
> > brushed up on your 
> > Rickman decorating skills in February for me anyhow.
> > ;-)

Sheryll:
> Should I be starting a list of everyone who wants a
> Rickman/Snape theme for the birthday? :-D
> 
> Sheryll, hoping one of you returns the favour when her
> birthday rolls around


SSSusan:
Sounds like that would be a good idea, Sheryll.  And, sure, I'll 
return the favor -- but you'll have to let me know when the special 
day is! ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed May  4 13:26:27 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:26:27 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5adnm+cbir@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5aii3+r5rc@eGroups.com>

Ninetales wrote:
> That my mother said that I shouldn't read Harry Potter, because I'm
> too old to do so.(I'm over 18 years old.) 

The obvious riposte is that you are old enough to make up your own 
mind about what you read.

> And I even found article from newspaper that women should not read
> Harry Potter. They should read those cheap novels about romance and
> nothing else... (You know, 'hospital romance'?)

Wow!  Please, please, can someone get up and defend this point of 
view, thus ensuring a thread of 100+ posts about the reading habits of 
men and women, who gets to decide, etc?

> So, I decided search community to grown-up Harry Potter-fans which is
> not full of young kids, but matured fans..
> (Excuse my English.)

May I ask, what is your first language?

David





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed May  4 14:09:48 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 14:09:48 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d583t5+tq3s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5al3c+5j7v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dream_catcher3010" 
<rachelday at b...> wrote:

> I'd be so grateful if you could post any that you have read and
> really enjoyed. I dont mind what ships are involved (if any), how 
long 
> it is or what form the story takes - just as long as it is well 
written.
> 
one of the most enjoyable and witty fics I've read is Indigo 
Ziona's "Dumbledore's Inbox", which records various e-mail exchanges 
between the Hogwarts faculty.

http://willowslilsecret.net/coa/eFiction1.1/viewstory.php?sid=6

One thing I love about this fic are listing of the e-mail addresses:

From: Professor Snape < slytherinrules at hogwarts.edu >
To: Prof. Albus Dumbledore < bumblebee at hogwarts.edu >, Madame Hooch < 
hoochie at hogwarts.edu >, Professor McGonagall < minnybaby at hogwarts.edu 
>, Professor Sprout < greenfingers at hogwarts.edu >, Professor Flitwick 
< filiuscharms at hogwarts.edu >, Professor Sinistra < 
sinnyforministerofmagic at hogwarts.edu >, Professor Vector < 
viktorrulesquidditch at hogwarts.edu >, Hagrid < skrewt at hogwarts.edu >, 
Madame Pomfrey < hellonurse at hogwarts.edu >, Professor Lupin < 
potionplease at hogwarts.edu >, Professor Moody < mad-eye at hogwarts.edu 
>, Professor Trelawney < clairvoyant at hogwarts.edu >, Madame Pince < 
bookworm at hogwarts.edu >

   - CMC





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  4 15:47:09 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 15:47:09 -0000
Subject: Dan up for Order of the Phoenix
Message-ID: <d5aqpt+43n6@eGroups.com>

Well, what exciting news, to open today's USA Today and see that Dan 
Radcliffe says he'll be doing Movie Five.  I hope the trio will be 
intact for it.

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From heidi at heidi8.com  Wed May  4 16:37:31 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:37:31 -0000
Subject: Introduction and Idea (Blog Carnival)
In-Reply-To: <d59k9h+7pci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5atob+fvie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Calla" <lily_mortis at y...> wrote:
> Good evening, I'm new. 

And a welcome to you!


> Anyway, considering that so many people do write about Harry Potter on
> a regular basis, I think that a Harry Potter Blog Carnival should be
> considered. The format would work for any sort of online postings,
> whether blogs, LJs, MoveavbleType, etc. And it would provide a way for
> people to share their essays and thoughts with a larger audience. We
> could have a weekly or (better) bi-weekly call for essays and start up
> a list for potential hosts. I think this would provide a definite
> service for the HP community. If something like this already exists, I
> would like a link. I've found essay compilation sites, but nothing
> that allows for people to submit new essays often or that compiles
> links to recent essays that people may wish to peruse.

There are a few resources which do something similar, although not in
such an organized fashion. There's a collection of essays - pre-OotP,
though - by HPfGU members at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/ and an
ongoing HP Essays LiveJournal community at
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_essays/ - you can also find
all their essays, by category, at
http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=hp_essays and
they're about to do an essay-a-thon
(http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_essays/57828.html). 

Over on FictionAlley, we have a "meta" section where people are
encouraged to post essays, papers, reports and even dissertations
(although we don't have any of the latter yet; we want to!) which you
can find here:
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=194

On a daily basis, there are two newsletters on LJ which compile links
to various things, including essays and discussions - one is Hogwarts
Today (http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=hogwarts_today)
and the other is The Daily Snitch
(http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=daily_snitch). 

But, like I said, there's nothing exactly like what you're doing, so
you might find the project worth pursuing. If you're interested in
doing it in conjuction with FictionAlley, even though we're not a blog
but a board, let me know offlist. 

Heidi





From earendil_fr at yahoo.com  Wed May  4 16:46:50 2005
From: earendil_fr at yahoo.com (earendil_fr)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:46:50 -0000
Subject: Can anyone reccomend?
In-Reply-To: <d583t5+tq3s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5au9q+vek8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dream_catcher3010"
<rachelday at b...> wrote:
> Hi! This is my first time posting on this list but i was hoping some
> of you could help me in reccomending some really good quality fan-
> fiction.


Earendil:

Allow me to recommand a book 7 Snape fic:

"A Fool's Choices"
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2307768/1/

It's entirely written from Snape's POV. Snape's snarky, nasty,
sarcastic POV. A not-nice-but-on-the-side-of-good Snape story, with
Snape spying on the Death Eaters for the Order.

It could be considered WIP, but it seems the story has already been
entirely written, and the updates are very frequent (lately it's been
a new chapter every day)

No ship, except maybe a hint of Ron/Hermione.


Earendil.





From mob9 at pokefin.zzn.com  Wed May  4 14:21:15 2005
From: mob9 at pokefin.zzn.com (Ninetales)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 14:21:15 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5aii3+r5rc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5alor+qo99@eGroups.com>

 > Wow!  Please, please, can someone get up and defend this point of 
> view, thus ensuring a thread of 100+ posts about the reading habits of 
> men and women, who gets to decide, etc?
> 
Was that sarcasm? 
Ehm, anyway.. Some people thoughts can be so black and white. (I meant
that who wrote that stupid article..)


> May I ask, what is your first language?
Finnish. 





From gbannister10 at aol.com  Wed May  4 19:42:18 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:42:18 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5ai07+9rig@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5b8iq+p5v9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ninetales" <mob9 at p...> 
wrote:
> > That my mother said that I shouldn't read Harry Potter, because 
I'm
> > too old to do so.(I'm over 18 years old.) 
> > And I even found article from newspaper that women should not read
> > Harry Potter. They should read those cheap novels about romance 
and
> > nothing else... (You know, 'hospital romance'?)
> > So, I decided search community to grown-up Harry Potter-fans 
which 
> is
> > not full of young kids, but matured fans..
> > (Excuse my English.)
> 
> SSSusan:
> Welcome aboard, ninetales!
> 
> I would never let anyone tell me what I shouldn't read something 
> because I'm "too old" for it!  While I'd never agree anyway that 
the 
> HP books are "too young" for adults (and I'm 43), I also still read 
> and enjoy lots of books from my youth [the Betsy-Tacy books, the 
> Little House books, The Narnia series, E.B. White, etc.].  To me, 
> they're like comfort food.  
> 
> Maybe your mom should check out the quality of some of the posts at 
> HPfGU, and she'll be convinced there's a lot of substance to Harry!
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Geoff:
May I add a welcome too.

I reached the age of becoming a state pensioner in the UK earlier 
this year but, since I have flatly refused to leave my first 
childhood, no one can accuse me of being in my second when they look 
askance at my reading list.

Like Susan, I have the complete Narnia Chronicles plus LOTR and the 
Hobbit and an excellent children's magic duo by Alan Garner- "The 
Weirdstone of Brisingamen" and "The Moon of Gomrath".

I also discovered Winnie-the-Pooh when I was in my twenties....

They're so much better than kitchen sink drama and soaps.





From joseph at kirtland.com  Thu May  5 00:18:24 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:18:24 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5b8iq+p5v9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5boog+7ven@eGroups.com>

At 41 years old, I am rereading the Narina Chronicles after a 39yr
hiatus.  C.S. Lewis did not hold much fascination when I was a boy of
12, but as an adult I'm very captivated!  I'm glad the latest US
editions decided to keep the British text intact.

I'm a bit fuzzy on my mythology, though.  What is the proper vision of
a faun?  Is it similar to a centaur, except the body of a goat? Some
web descriptions seem completely out of line, so I need to ask the
authorities here.  One description even showed the body of a buck with
a human torso.  I believe this is entirely incorrect.


Thanks,

Joe


> Like Susan, I have the complete Narnia Chronicles plus LOTR and the 
> Hobbit and an excellent children's magic duo by Alan Garner- "The 
> Weirdstone of Brisingamen" and "The Moon of Gomrath".
>





From ajroald at yahoo.com  Thu May  5 00:41:43 2005
From: ajroald at yahoo.com (Lea)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:41:43 -0000
Subject: Fauns...I think
In-Reply-To: <d5boog+7ven@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5bq47+7j14@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> wrote:
><snip> I'm a bit fuzzy on my mythology, though.  What is the proper 
vision of a faun?  Is it similar to a centaur, except the body of a 
goat? Some web descriptions seem completely out of line, so I need to 
ask the authorities here.  One description even showed the body of a 
buck with a human torso.  I believe this is entirely incorrect.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe

After consulting several books, here is the summarized version:  A Faun 
is asscociated with Satyrs.  They are mischievous and have the legs, 
ears and tail of a deer and the face and body of a man. 

So yes, the body of a buck with a human torso (and face) would be 
correct.

Hope that helps ~
Lea







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu May  5 04:00:11 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 04:00:11 -0000
Subject: Fauns...I think
In-Reply-To: <d5bq47+7j14@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5c5ob+njk3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lea" <ajroald at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
  What is the proper 
> vision of a faun? 
> > 
> > Joe
> 
> After consulting several books, here is the summarized version:  A 
Faun 
> is asscociated with Satyrs.  They are mischievous and have the legs, 
> ears and tail of a deer and the face and body of a man. 
> 
Here is an pictorial representation of same:

http://www.rittertum.de/home/mythen/faun.gif

  - CMC (with faun wishes)





From joseph at kirtland.com  Thu May  5 04:10:46 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 04:10:46 -0000
Subject: Fauns...I think
In-Reply-To: <d5c5ob+njk3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5c6c6+b12u@eGroups.com>

Wow, so a faun is a biped?  I really do need to brush up on my
mythology!  :-)

Thanks for the link.

Joe


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius"
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lea" <ajroald at y...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
> wrote:
>   What is the proper 
> > vision of a faun? 
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > 
> > After consulting several books, here is the summarized version:  A 
> Faun 
> > is asscociated with Satyrs.  They are mischievous and have the legs, 
> > ears and tail of a deer and the face and body of a man. 
> > 
> Here is an pictorial representation of same:
> 
> http://www.rittertum.de/home/mythen/faun.gif
> 
>   - CMC (with faun wishes)





From lily_mortis at yahoo.com  Thu May  5 05:12:11 2005
From: lily_mortis at yahoo.com (Calla)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 05:12:11 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5adnm+cbir@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5c9vb+khtt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ninetales" <mob9 at p...> wrote:

> And I even found article from newspaper that women should not read
> Harry Potter. They should read those cheap novels about romance and
> nothing else... (You know, 'hospital romance'?)


Well, of course that's all we women should read. Females are very
dangerous when they've got knowledge in their hands. You need look no
further than our very own Hermione. Do you think she would have done
such horrible things as stealing potions ingredients or harming her
instructors if she read more acceptable books like romances? Knowledge
turns women into warriors. Consider Minerva and Athena, they are the
goddesses of both wisdom and combat. Or Saraswati, a goddess of
knowledge, consort of Bhrahma, and who diverted mass destruction when
all others were scared. (source:
http://www.templenet.com/beliefs/saraswati.htm) Women should not read
Harry Potter because the books remind us how empowering knowing things
and being able to use that knowledge can be. In the words of Movie!Ron
Weasley, Hermione Granger, and really any woman with a willingness to
use what she knows is:  "...a little scary sometimes.... Brilliant,
but scary."

In a more serious vein, do you remember why the article said women
should not read Harry Potter? I would be very interested in learning
their reasoning. 

Calla







From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu May  5 06:00:52 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:00:52 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fauns...I think
References: <d5c6c6+b12u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4279B694.000001.00848@KATHRYN>


> >
> > After consulting several books, here is the summarized version:  A
> Faun
> > is asscociated with Satyrs.  They are mischievous and have the legs,
> > ears and tail of a deer and the face and body of a man.
> >
> Here is an pictorial representation of same:
>
> http://www.rittertum.de/home/mythen/faun.gif
>
>   - CMC (with faun wishes)
 


I thought it was a goat rather than a deer? And don't they usually have
little goat horns too. Like Pan - God of uh whatever the heck Pan was God of
(help?)

K

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From ajroald at yahoo.com  Thu May  5 06:20:46 2005
From: ajroald at yahoo.com (Lea)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 06:20:46 -0000
Subject: Fauns...I think
In-Reply-To: <4279B694.000001.00848@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d5cdvu+oo98@eGroups.com>

 
> 
> 
> I thought it was a goat rather than a deer? And don't they usually 
have
> little goat horns too. Like Pan - God of uh whatever the heck Pan was 
God of
> (help?)
> 
> K
> 

A Satyr is the part goat/part man mythical creature.  However, from 
what I'm finding on the internet it defines a Faun as the "Italian 
version of a Satyr", although the books I have define it as a part 
deer/part man.  Hmmmm...

Lea





From paulag5777 at yahoo.com  Thu May  5 09:27:59 2005
From: paulag5777 at yahoo.com (Paula Gaon)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 02:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Phyllis!
Message-ID: <20050505092759.96396.qmail@web54503.mail.yahoo.com>

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu May  5 10:35:10 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:35:10 -0000
Subject: Fauns...I think
In-Reply-To: <d5c6c6+b12u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5cssu+edrh@eGroups.com>

Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> wrote:
> Wow, so a faun is a biped?  I really do need to brush up on my
> mythology!  :-)

Or you could try and get a copy of the Narnia books with the original 
illustrations by Pauline Baynes (I think it was).  I didn't realise 
there were copies in circulation without these.

David





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu May  5 11:30:27 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 11:30:27 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5alor+qo99@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5d04j+mjsg@eGroups.com>

David:

>  > Wow!  Please, please, can someone get up and defend this point of 
> > view, thus ensuring a thread of 100+ posts about the reading 
habits of 
> > men and women, who gets to decide, etc?

Ninetales wrote:

> Was that sarcasm? 
> Ehm, anyway.. Some people thoughts can be so black and white. (I 
meant
> that who wrote that stupid article..)

David:

No, no sarcasm.  I love it when people express views that are so 
outrageous.  I just wonder whether it was a joke or serious, and if 
serious, what kind of basis there was for it.  The discussions get 
pretty intense here sometimes, though, and that's all to the good, too.

David:

> > May I ask, what is your first language?

Ninetales:

> Finnish.

Thank you.  And, I forgot to say, Welcome to HPFGU.

David





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May  5 13:06:56 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Alex!
Message-ID: <20050505130656.36343.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

*thanks everyone for tidying up after the last party
and begins decorating anew, dodging the multitude of
tiny snitches that seemed to have appeared from
nowhere*

Who let those things in here?

Today's birthday honouree is Alex. Birthday owls can
be sent care of this list or directly to Alex at:
dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk

May you have a magical day filled with fun and the
company of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Alex!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who remembers fondly the old
HPFGU chats with Alex

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From ajroald at yahoo.com  Thu May  5 15:21:28 2005
From: ajroald at yahoo.com (Lea)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 15:21:28 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5adnm+cbir@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5ddlo+m62q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ninetales" <mob9 at p...> wrote:
> That my mother said that I shouldn't read Harry Potter, because I'm
> too old to do so.(I'm over 18 years old.) 
> And I even found article from newspaper that women should not read
> Harry Potter. They should read those cheap novels about romance and
> nothing else... (You know, 'hospital romance'?)
> So, I decided search community to grown-up Harry Potter-fans which 
is
> not full of young kids, but matured fans..
> (Excuse my English.)

Well good for you for taking a stand and doing what you wanted to 
do!  Women should certainly NOT be limited to reading horrible 
romance novels, and who ever said that should be enclosed in a room 
with them for a month!

As for being too old - since this is an adult group, you are probably 
still a baby compared to some of us *old folks* (meant humorously, 
please no rotten eggs) that really love the Harry Potter books. 

Finnish, what a beautiful language!   

Welcome!

~ Lea





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu May  5 15:48:22 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:48:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Got tired to...
References: <d5ddlo+m62q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004101c55189$de1dee00$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

*shifts eyes*

I steal read Baby Sitters Club and
Nancy Drew...I doubt Harry Potter is
the least of my worries.

Saitaina
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu May  5 19:58:51 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 19:58:51 -0000
Subject: Shadowmancer - my little update
Message-ID: <d5dttr+7sof@eGroups.com>

Those of you that know me will recall that my reading is a bit hit 
and miss, but I have been encouraged by my love of Harry Potter to 
read fanfic and other "proper" books too.  I wrote a couple of weeks 
ago about reading Shadowmancer and how I was finding it heavy going 
(don't laugh, it's probably light reading for some of you more 
literary types).  Well I have persevered and I'm half way through it 
now and I'm loving it - I just thought you ought to know!
I'm trying to write my own fanfic - I know what I want to say, but my 
lack of imagination (from not reading enough) and my woeful 
vocabulary (from not reading enough) is making it difficult for me to 
express myself.  So therefore I am trying to read as much as I can of 
whatever I can lay my hands on.  I read Silverfin 
(another "childrens" book - a young James Bond by Charlie Higson) in 
2 days flat - I was hooked.  
I suppose what I'm saying is; regarding the recent comments on what 
women should or shouldn't read (in jest, I know) - well who gives a 
stuff?  I am reading more now than I have ever done in my nearly 33 
years on this planet and I feel so empowered - I'm using new words 
(my new favourite is ebullient - I always think that Sirius would be 
ebullient as a dog).
Who cares what I'm reading, or what anyone is reading - I'm reading 
and that is the important thing.
Anyway, I'll go now because I've got it all off my chest and I want 
to read a bit more of Stealing Harry on schnoogle ... I just couldn't 
resist because Sirius is alive and well .....
Sarah xx





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu May  5 20:06:46 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:06:46 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Got tired to...
References: <d5ddlo+m62q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <427A7CD6.000003.01144@KATHRYN>

 

 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Ninetales" <mob9 at p...> wrote:
> That my mother said that I shouldn't read Harry Potter, because I'm
> too old to do so.(I'm over 18 years old.)
> And I even found article from newspaper that women should not read
> Harry Potter. They should read those cheap novels about romance and
> nothing else... (You know, 'hospital romance'?)
> So, I decided search community to grown-up Harry Potter-fans which
is
> not full of young kids, but matured fans..
> (Excuse my English.)
 
 

Good grief! Romance novels are what I read when I want to turn off
completely (brain does not need to be engaged at all) - I couldn't say the
same for Harry Potter.

K

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu May  5 20:23:43 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:23:43 -0000
Subject: Shadowmancer - my little update
In-Reply-To: <d5dttr+7sof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5dvcf+8h5k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
I always think that Sirius would be 
> ebullient as a dog).
> Who cares what I'm reading, or what anyone is reading - I'm reading 
> and that is the important thing.
> Anyway, I'll go now because I've got it all off my chest and I want 
> to read a bit more of Stealing Harry on schnoogle ... I just couldn't 
> resist because Sirius is alive and well .....
> Sarah xx

Can you tell I've got a bit of a Sirius thing going on here?  And I do 
think that Orlando Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven looks like what a young 
Sirius would have looked like (without the Azkaban glitch that ruined 
his handsome aristocratic features, that is).

Sarah - who does like Gary Oldman, but doesn't see him when visualising 
Sirius - is this good in terms of my growing imagination?
xx





From karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May  5 20:33:50 2005
From: karenabarker at yahoo.co.uk (Karen Barker)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:33:50 -0000
Subject: reading - was Re: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <427A7CD6.000003.01144@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d5dvve+akv8@eGroups.com>

I tend to read anything that's to hand!  One of the worst tortures for 
me was when I went to babysit for a friend a few years ago.  I got 
bored with the TV after a short time and started to look for something 
to read.  She had nothing.  I mean literally nothing.  Not a 
newspaper, not a magazine, not a book.  I couldn't believe it.  She 
didn't even have teletext on her TV!  I was climbing the walls by the 
time she came home.

I seem to be doing things in reverse though.  I started reading my 
Mum's Alistair McClean novels at about 11 and now I'm back to 
reading 'childrens' books at age 41!

Karen





From meckelburg at foni.net  Fri May  6 15:41:23 2005
From: meckelburg at foni.net (Mecki)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:41:23 -0000
Subject: Have you read....
Message-ID: <d5g373+90ti@eGroups.com>

Hi Folks!

speaking of reading "childrens books" ofr both kids and adults..
Have you read "Inkheart" by Cornelia funke". I know it has been 
translated into English (it is, for once, a german author).
I really enjoyed it. The idea of transferring people or beings out of 
books into the real life- brilliant!

Has anybody here read it? 

Mecki
with 2 kids and now 2 angels

**************
beyond the door
there's peace I'm sure
and I know there'll be no more
tears in heaven
(Eric Clapton)





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May  6 18:22:57 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 18:22:57 -0000
Subject: Shadowmancer - update: Other Books
In-Reply-To: <d5dttr+7sof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5gcm1+b5mb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> Those of you that know me will recall that my reading is a bit hit 
> and miss, but I have been encouraged by my love of Harry Potter to 
> read fanfic and other "proper" books too.  I wrote a couple of weeks 
> ago about reading Shadowmancer ... Well I have persevered and I'm
> half way through it now and I'm loving it - I just thought you ought
> to know!
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Who cares what I'm reading, or what anyone is reading - I'm reading 
> and that is the important thing.
> ...
> Sarah xx

bboyminn:

Hi Sarah,

If you finish with Shadowmance, and are looking for something else to
read, I found the following books thoroughly captivating.

'Bartimaeus Trilogy' by Jonothan Stroud
-Volume 1 - The Amulet of Samarkand (author - Jonathan Stroud)
-Volume 2 - The Golem's Eye
-Volume 3 - not yet released

These are a little darker than the Harry Potter books and take a
different approach to magic, but the books are filled with interesting
characters and events. This was one of those books where I sat and
read for hours and hours, I just could put it down because I was so
eager to find out what happened next. Eagerly waiting for the third
book in the series. The basic story is that Nathanial, whose magic
name will be John Mandrake, is apprenticed to Underwood, a mid-level
mediocre wizard in the government. The location is London, and the
British Empire is ruled by magicians. At the age of 11, to avenge his
humilation at the hands of an adult wizard, Nathanial conjures up a
Djinni (genie) called Bartimaeus, a difficult and dangerous task at
his age, to carry out an somewhat ill-conceived plot. It is this event
that sets the story into motion.

Unlike Harry Potter, which is told for single point of view, each new
chapter of this story continues the story from the point of view of a
different primary character. Most often the point of view character is
 either Bartimaeus or Nathanial/John. This isn't confusing or
anything, it's just a different, and in this case very well used,
approach to telling a story.


Atremis Fowl Series by Eoin Colfer
- Vol 1 - Artemis Fowl
- Vol 2 - Artemis Fowl and the Arctic Incident
- Vol 3 - Artemis Fowl and the Eternity Code
- Vol 4 - Artemis Fowl and the Opal Deception

Again very captivating, relatively short books, light reading, very
fun and funny, interesting characters. This is more in the Yound Adult
catagory, but still very good books overal, I can't wait to read the
rest of them. Artemis Fowl is a 12 year old criminal mastermind who
due to circumstances is left with very little supervision. The only
constant in his life is his extremely large bodyguard Butler. Artemis
is always scheming up new ways to make money, usually by somewhat
dodgy means. These schemes are what set the various adventures into
motion. This series of books is lighter and shorter than the other
books mentioned, but they are still very interesting and fun. 


Eragon by Christopher Paoline
The Inheritance Trilogy
- Vol 1 - Eragon
- Vol 2 - Eldest
- Vol 3 - ?

Talk about action packed! This is a very fast paced book with lots of
action taking place in a very convincing detailed parallel universe.
It's about 15 year old Eragon who stubbles across a large oval
sapphire-colored sphere while he is out hunting for food. This sets
into motion the most amazing series of adventures. Again, this was a
thoroughly captivating 'just couldn't put it down' book. I read and
read and read without stopping desperate to find out what happened next. 

Of the books listed, this one could probably be described a blend of
Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. Like Harry Potter, the young hero
Eragon is plucked from quiet obscurity and thrust into an amazing
adventure and world. And much like Harry Potter, Eragon is a somewhat
reluctant hero who is thrust into dangerous situation that are far
beyond his ability to deal with, yet through LOTS OF luck, shear
determination, and force of will he manages to pull through and save
the day.

It is like Lord of the Rings in that it take place in a parallel world
 during ancient times and requires a lot of traveling. One of the
things that put me off of Lord of the Rings was the parallel world
aspect, because of all the unusual unfamiliar place and people names I
could never keep track of who was who and what was what. That is also
somewhat true of this book, but to a much lesser degree. For example,
the story takes place in the land of Alaga?sia and they travel to
Carvahall, Dras-Leona, and Farthen D?r amoung other places. But the
flow of the story makes it relatively easy to keep track, and the
number of characters at any one place is limted. 

The amazing thing about the Inheritance Trilogy - Eragon and it's
author, is that he author was 15 years old when he wrote the first
book. Despite that, his writing is very sophisticated; excellent plot,
nice flow, engaging characters, humor, tragedy, adventure, etc....


Again, all of these books were so thoroughly captivating that I just
couldn't put them down, I read and read and read, I missed meals and
lost sleep, I simply had to know what happens next, and I can't wait
to get the next books in each of these series.

All the books take a different approach to magic, and similarly, they
all set definite limits on magic. I found them all an easy read that 
moved at a sufficiently fast pace that I never got bored or lost interest.

With all these books, if you go to Amazon.com, you can read the first
few pages on-line, that should give you a good feel for the books. 

Finally, thanks to your recommendation, think I will give Shadowmance
a read.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn






From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com  Sat May  7 02:24:57 2005
From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55)
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 02:24:57 -0000
Subject: OOTP the movie
Message-ID: <d5h8tp+gbg4@eGroups.com>

I'm new to OTChatter and so happy to hear Dan has signed on for Movie 
5.  That was my favorite book so far.  I hope the rest of the actors 
will be back also.  

I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm thinking Dan will have a real 
challenge on acting Harry in book 5.  It should be fun.  I hope they 
don't stray too far from the book.







From someoneofsomeplace at yahoo.com.au  Sat May  7 07:59:01 2005
From: someoneofsomeplace at yahoo.com.au (Someone)
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 07:59:01 -0000
Subject: Um...Er...It's...Ah...Yeah (Re: Dan up for Order of the Phoenix)
In-Reply-To: <d5aqpt+43n6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5hsg5+a56p@eGroups.com>

Don't know if this has much to do with...anything (couldn't even find 
a proper title for this post), but, oh well...

Just been thinking that that Spielberg-esque shootout in the DoM, 
whilst arguably something that didn't quite come off in the book, is 
*just made* for the big screen. I'm quite looking forward to it; hope 
the original actors are available.

John.






From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sat May  7 11:29:27 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:29:27 +1000
Subject: WIP
In-Reply-To: <d5au9q+vek8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPKEANCKAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>


It could be considered WIP, but it seems the story has already been
entirely written, and the updates are very frequent (lately it's been
a new chapter every day)

++++++++++++++++++++

what's WIP? I looked up the data base and a few other things .... 

storm, feeling tired and a bit slow.


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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sat May  7 12:41:57 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 05:41:57 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WIP
In-Reply-To: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPKEANCKAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c55302$29fccac0$5f28f304@pensive>

hi,

WIP is work in progress I believe.

Sherry


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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WIP



It could be considered WIP, but it seems the story has already been
entirely written, and the updates are very frequent (lately it's been
a new chapter every day)

++++++++++++++++++++

what's WIP? I looked up the data base and a few other things .... 

storm, feeling tired and a bit slow.


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From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Sat May  7 12:45:42 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 22:45:42 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WIP
In-Reply-To: <001a01c55302$29fccac0$5f28f304@pensive>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPKEAPCKAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

Ahhhhh., that makes lots of sense and I could have guessed from the context!

thanks Sherry

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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat May  7 16:02:22 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:02:22 -0000
Subject: New GoF Poster and neat behind the scenes coverage
Message-ID: <d5ioqe+iimc@eGroups.com>

The Leaky Cauldron has a link to the new GoF poster - really cool - I 
am thinking it is where Harry is in the maze. 

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/05/gofteaser.html

Also there are some behind the scenes video at:

http://www.tvguide.com/include/template/video/showVideo.asp?
videoName='harrypotter_05_05_2005'&skinColor='0x000000'&headerJPG='harr
yp'&vTime='145'

If the links don't work just go to The Leaky Cauldron 

The video gives some really interesting looks at the Yule Ball - I 
think this is going to be a really good film!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sun May  8 00:03:52 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Um...Er...It's...Ah...Yeah (Re: Dan up for Order of the Phoenix)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050508000352.26182.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>

I kind of picture the DOM shootout as kind of like the battle scenes in LOTR.  I have even come up with the background music.  
 
moonmyyst

Someone <someoneofsomeplace at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Don't know if this has much to do with...anything (couldn't even find 
a proper title for this post), but, oh well...

Just been thinking that that Spielberg-esque shootout in the DoM, 
whilst arguably something that didn't quite come off in the book, is 
*just made* for the big screen. I'm quite looking forward to it; hope 
the original actors are available.

John.





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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May  8 01:27:51 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 01:27:51 -0000
Subject: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5c9vb+khtt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5jpun+clcg@eGroups.com>

Calla wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27148 :

> In a more serious vein, do you remember why the article said women
> should not read Harry Potter? I would be very interested in learning
> their reasoning. 

It may have been the same reasoning as in the essay by a resentful
less-successful author condemning adults who read Harry Potter: he
pretty much said that anyone who is old enough to have sex should
never read a book that doesn't have sex in it. That essay didn't give
any plausible reason why reading books that don't have sex is so
criminal.

But I can easily fantasize that someone could write an essay stating
that women should never read books that don't have sex because it
might encourage them to tell horny men that there is more in life than
just sex. And that women should read only cheap romance novels for
fiction and cookbooks and housekeeping how-tos and 'how to please a
man' books for non-fiction in hope that the viewpoint presented by
these books, that women's happiness depends on pleasing men, will rub
off.





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May  8 04:02:06 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 8 May 2005 04:02:06 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1115524926.28.21331.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Sun May  8 09:45:06 2005
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (Andromeda)
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 09:45:06 -0000
Subject: reading - was Re: Got tired to...
In-Reply-To: <d5dvve+akv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5kn32+rhit@eGroups.com>

Oh my, Karen, I hope you were babysitting a pet or a house and not 
children.  Can you imagine growing up in a house with nothing to 
read?  A complete nightmare!

I do know what you mean about doing things in reverse, though.  I'm 
discovering all sorts of books I missed as a child/teen, and 
enjoying them thoroughly.

-Andromeda


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker" 
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:
> I tend to read anything that's to hand!  One of the worst tortures 
for 
> me was when I went to babysit for a friend a few years ago.  I got 
> bored with the TV after a short time and started to look for 
something 
> to read.  She had nothing.  I mean literally nothing.  Not a 
> newspaper, not a magazine, not a book.  I couldn't believe it.  
She 
> didn't even have teletext on her TV!  I was climbing the walls by 
the 
> time she came home.
> 
> I seem to be doing things in reverse though.  I started reading my 
> Mum's Alistair McClean novels at about 11 and now I'm back to 
> reading 'childrens' books at age 41!
> 
> Karen





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun May  8 10:19:21 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:19:21 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: VE Day
Message-ID: <427DE7A9.000003.01612@KATHRYN>

 Hi guys,

This is mainly aimed t the Americans on list, but anyone from other
countries feel free to chime in. I've been watching the VE day ceremonies
and I'm getting quite irked by the fact that not only are the commentators
ignoring the fact that the war was still going on in the Far East but that
several of them have referreed to it as the end of the war. Are American
commentators doing the same thing?

British commentators seem to have forgotten all about the rest of the war
and it seems vaguely insulting to all those British and Empire soldiers who
were still fighting and dying in Asia or imprisoned in camps over there.

K




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun May  8 11:38:30 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:38:30 -0000
Subject: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <427DE7A9.000003.01612@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d5ktnm+f00d@eGroups.com>

Kathryn wrote:

> British commentators seem to have forgotten all about the rest of 
the war
> and it seems vaguely insulting to all those British and Empire 
soldiers who
> were still fighting and dying in Asia or imprisoned in camps over 
there.

I wouldn't worry.  Once V-E day is over and we are looking forward to 
V-J day they will spin it all the other way round.

In understanding what people do and say, the question you should ask 
yourself is not "is this true to history?" but "has this fully 
exploited the potential for media spectacle?"

David





From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Sun May  8 14:10:16 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] VE Day
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050508141017.59624.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>



Kathryn <kcawte at ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi guys,

This is mainly aimed t the Americans on list, but anyone from other
countries feel free to chime in. I've been watching the VE day ceremonies
and I'm getting quite irked by the fact that not only are the commentators
ignoring the fact that the war was still going on in the Far East but that
several of them have referreed to it as the end of the war. Are American
commentators doing the same thing?

K



To tell you the truth, I have not seen any coverage at all and I am watching the local news as I am checking my e-mail and have not heard it mentioned at all.  I have heard about medical marijuana, traffic, weather, a fatal wreck with a wrong way driver on the interstate last night, gang crackdowns in a county on the other side of Atlanta, another county that wants to give lap top computers to all of the students, music festival going on, a fire at some apartments, a historical mansion that a local church wants to tear down for a parking lot, and other such things but no VE day coverage.  Sad thought.

moonmyyst


		
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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May  8 15:02:03 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 8 May 2005 15:02:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1115564523.14.83252.m30@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun May  8 20:52:42 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:52:42 -0000
Subject: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <20050508141017.59624.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d5lu6q+djef@eGroups.com>

moonmyyst wrote:

> To tell you the truth, I have not seen any coverage at all and I 
am watching the local news as I am checking my e-mail and have not 
heard it mentioned at all.  I have heard about medical marijuana, 
traffic, weather, a fatal wreck with a wrong way driver on the 
interstate last night, gang crackdowns in a county on the other side 
of Atlanta, another county that wants to give lap top computers to 
all of the students, music festival going on, a fire at some 
apartments, a historical mansion that a local church wants to tear 
down for a parking lot, and other such things but no VE day 
coverage.  Sad thought.

David:

You may find it a relief that your news media have lost track of 
your President, but he has been there:  
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4526351.stm

David





From seuferer at netins.net  Mon May  9 00:09:00 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 00:09:00 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 35 Posted
Message-ID: <d5m9ms+ual6@eGroups.com>

Chapter 35 is up on FFN and AFN as of today, "Homecoming".  Please
note that for this chapter, JL, aka Kirasha, also Beta'd.  She plays
"Snape" on my roleplay game website.

Warning:  this is a very emotionally intense chapter. Elaine says it
has a very high "emotional squick" content. It is the emotional
intensity that made it hard for me to go through it again?I've had it
back from both betas for 2 weeks now, and only just finished
addressing their suggestions. The delay is my fault, not theirs.

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama,
hurt/comfort. After OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but
before Half Blood Prince (hmm, is that one word, halfblood, or two?);
so AU to that book when it arrives, Voldemort out in the open, Snape
involved in DE activities because of his OotP Spy role, a researcher
from Ministry offers to aid and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted
with our Potion's Master whom she knew slightly from school. Snarky
Snape, in depth plot. (Way too much plot for those of you who want
PWP.) WIP Rated for later chapters.

Here are the links:
http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story has been more thoroughly 'polished' at FFN, because I find
it more user friendly to my technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in
the 'lemons' on AFN.  I can't figure out how to `keep' my italics and
other font-thingies on AFN.  Hopeless, I know. Heh.

Hope you enjoy. Like probably the majority of fanfic authors, I thrive
on reviews. Especially when real-life makes me neglect my writing--my
reviews get me to do it by making me feel guilty for neglecting my
'fans'. (Do I get to count my reviewers as fans?) So, at the risk of
sounding pathetic... Please Review! :)

Lisa, AKA Shanti






From lady_of_the_greenwood at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May  9 08:58:47 2005
From: lady_of_the_greenwood at yahoo.co.uk (Debbie)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:58:47 -0000
Subject: Hi every one
Message-ID: <d5n8o7+lv5h@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
      Newbie alert!!! love HP and all about it nice to see some one 
goes in the chat rooms (I'm on a few yahoo boards and no one chat!!)
can't wait for new film out.New treaser trailer out on comingsoon.net 
for number 4................
                             ...........Debbie.....







From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon May  9 20:33:19 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 20:33:19 -0000
Subject: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <427DE7A9.000003.01612@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d5ohef+5bu6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:

K:
>  Hi guys,
> This is mainly aimed t the Americans on list, but anyone from other
> countries feel free to chime in. I've been watching the VE day 
ceremonies
> and I'm getting quite irked by the fact that not only are the 
commentators
> ignoring the fact that the war was still going on in the Far East 
but that
> several of them have referreed to it as the end of the war. Are 
American
> commentators doing the same thing?
> 
> British commentators seem to have forgotten all about the rest of 
the war
> and it seems vaguely insulting to all those British and Empire 
soldiers who
> were still fighting and dying in Asia or imprisoned in camps over 
there.

Geoff:
I think before you get too hot under the collar, we need to take on 
board the fact that the perception of VE Day was very different to 
people in Europe compared to those in the US.

Let's consider the background. The United States entered the Second 
World War after the attack on Pear Harbour in December 1941. 
Initially the US effort was directed to the Pacific theatre although 
they soon gave valiant and staunch support to the European campaigns.

By this time the Second World War was 15 months old. Apart from 
Sweden and Switzerland, every country on the European mainland had 
either been overrun and occupied by the Germans or had had a puppet 
government installed. The only free country was Britain and we were 
under great pressure. The efforts of "The Few" had just kept the 
Nazis from invading but the Blitz had seen heavy and continuous 
bombing attacks on London which had suffered terrible devastation and 
many provincial cities such as Birmingham and Manchester had been 
also in the front line for bombing. It should also be remembered 
while we consider the above that the US was never invaded and was 
never bombed and never had its children growing up with bombsites as 
part of the scenery as I did for example.

So, by the time of VE Day, 8th May 1945, the only European country 
able to send troops to fight in the Far East was Great Britain. 
Therefore, for those who lived in mainland Europe, VE day *was* the 
end of the war as far as they were concerned. They were finally free 
but had to set to work to rebuild their countries. There was so much 
to do that the war in the Pacific as probably not uppermost in their 
thoughts. So they celebrated the end of the war for them.

Here in Britain, there was also an air of euphoria. I was 5 years 
old  in February 1945 and started school at Easter. I can remember my 
family ? my grandparents and my mother being over the moon because of 
the German surrender; there was a street party and a school party 
held in the open in the "big boys" playground but the biggest event 
for me was that my father came home to stay; after five years as a 
soldier, he was demobbed and came home to find civilian work.

There were still UK troops in action but after the attacks on 
Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, VJ Day followed surprisingly 
quickly. We shall mark the 60th anniversary of this event here in 
Britain as well because there are many veterans still who help to 
remind us of those who fought in the Far East. But that is why I 
think you will find that the 8th May date chimes more with Europeans 
than perhaps it does in the US because of the different ways in which 
the war impinged on folk. No insults are intended.....






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Mon May  9 20:56:10 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:56:10 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <d5ohef+5bu6@eGroups.com>
References: <427DE7A9.000003.01612@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <42805B0A.17082.32A6AEB@localhost>

On 9 May 2005 at 20:33, Geoff Bannister wrote:

> There were still UK troops in action but after the attacks on 
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, VJ Day followed surprisingly 
> quickly. We shall mark the 60th anniversary of this event here in
> Britain as well because there are many veterans still who help to
> remind us of those who fought in the Far East. But that is why I think
> you will find that the 8th May date chimes more with Europeans than
> perhaps it does in the US because of the different ways in which the
> war impinged on folk. No insults are intended.....

Speaking as a citizen of Australia, whose studied the history of 
warfare, and particularly Australian attitudes to World War II over 
the years, let me also point out to people that VE Day is quite a big 
deal here in Australia as well - and I think very, very few people 
would have any problem with the recent focus on VE Day, even if the 
fact that the war was continuing elsewhere was pushed into the 
background.

Now bear in mind that Australians have good reason to remember the 
war in the Pacific as far more significant than the war in Europe. 
Australia faced Japanese invasion. The Battle for Australia lasted a 
full year. Australia's northern cities were bombed repeatedly - 
nothing like the blitz that hit England, but nonetheless, Darwin 
alone was bombed 64 times. Towns on the east coast were shelled. 
Ships were attacked by submarine - and one was sunk - in Sydney 
Harbour.

Australians were fighting in Africa and in Britain, and later in 
Europe - but certainly for us, the main focus after 1941 was the 
Pacific War.

Yet, when Germany surrendered, there was wild euphoria in Australia - 
virtually nobody said "Hey, this isn't the end of the war." Everybody 
knew that Japan still needed to be defeated - and people got on with 
the job of that after a day or so - but Victory in Europe meant 
Victory over Japan, was now inevitable. American forces, split 
between two theatres would become available for the Pacific. Very 
significant British forces would become available as well. The 
Russians might well become involved.

The war wasn't over - and nobody knew how many lives might still be 
lost - but it was now clearly understood that all the lives lost 
would serve an ultimate purpose.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From gbannister10 at aol.com  Mon May  9 21:24:54 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:24:54 -0000
Subject: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <42805B0A.17082.32A6AEB@localhost>
Message-ID: <d5okf6+l1ie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:

Shaun: 
> Speaking as a citizen of Australia, whose studied the history of 
> warfare, and particularly Australian attitudes to World War II over 
> the years, let me also point out to people that VE Day is quite a 
big 
> deal here in Australia as well - and I think very, very few people 
> would have any problem with the recent focus on VE Day, even if the 
> fact that the war was continuing elsewhere was pushed into the 
> background.
> 
> Now bear in mind that Australians have good reason to remember the 
> war in the Pacific as far more significant than the war in Europe. 
> Australia faced Japanese invasion. The Battle for Australia lasted 
a 
> full year. Australia's northern cities were bombed repeatedly - 
> nothing like the blitz that hit England, but nonetheless, Darwin 
> alone was bombed 64 times. Towns on the east coast were shelled. 
> Ships were attacked by submarine - and one was sunk - in Sydney 
> Harbour.
> 
> Australians were fighting in Africa and in Britain, and later in 
> Europe - but certainly for us, the main focus after 1941 was the 
> Pacific War.

Geoff:
May I say just for completeness, Shaun, that I was not ignoring the 
contribution made by Australian (and I think Canadian) troops. I was 
drawing conclusions between the European and US points of view.

Thank you for the details on attacks on Australia; I hadn't realised 
they were as extensive as you indicate.





From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Mon May  9 21:41:02 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <d5ohef+5bu6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050509214102.65839.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Geoff wrote:
<BIG SNIP>
 
But that is why I 
think you will find that the 8th May date chimes more with Europeans 
than perhaps it does in the US because of the different ways in which 
the war impinged on folk. No insults are intended.....

Lynn:

No insult taken.  I agree that the impact of WWII was different in Europe than in the US for the reasons you have given.  The US didn't need to be 'liberated' or celebrate because the bombing stopped and the kids could return home.  The anniversary of Pearl Harbor has always been major because it was bombed and it brought the US formally into the war.  

However, I also think that the reason there is less emphasis on VE and VJ day in the US is because of our Memorial Day - the day we honor all those who have died in service to our country.  It is at that time, the end of May, that emphasis is on the different wars, from the civil war onward and the days the wars ended.  It's at that time that my history courses focused particularly on WWII.

A question to those who live in Australia - is VJ day widely celebrated in Australia as opposed to VE day?  That asked, the war memorial in Canberra is the best I've ever been to.  I recommend anyone who has a chance to walk the avenue and then check out the war memorial and museum.  Australians know how to do things right!

Lynn

 


 

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon May  9 22:22:52 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:22:52 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
References: <d5ohef+5bu6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <427FE2BC.000001.01956@KATHRYN>

 

 
Geoff:
I think before you get too hot under the collar, we need to take on
board the fact that the perception of VE Day was very different to
people in Europe compared to those in the US.

<snip>
 
So, by the time of VE Day, 8th May 1945, the only European country
able to send troops to fight in the Far East was Great Britain.
Therefore, for those who lived in mainland Europe, VE day *was* the
end of the war as far as they were concerned. They were finally free
but had to set to work to rebuild their countries. There was so much
to do that the war in the Pacific as probably not uppermost in their
thoughts. So they celebrated the end of the war for them.

K

First off I get the impression you think I'm coming at this from a
non-European perspective (forgive me if I'm reading that wrong) but as I'm
British and live in Britain I think that's highly unlikely. I was asking the
question to the Americans because i already know what the coverage was like
here in the UK and also because the Americans were heavily involved in the
Far East *like the UK* was (the Australians etc were as well I know but i
actually thought they wouldn't be making as much of a deal about VE Day,
obviously I was wrong). I wasn't talking about the celebrations at the time
because thye were perfectly understandable and I wasn't complaining that we
were making a big deal out of VE Day, but more that it was being referred to
as 'the end of the war' which it wasn't. There were a lot of British (and
other nationalities) in prison camps in the Far East and a lot of UK troops
fighting over there (and Merchant Navy convoys risking their lives too) and
while I think the celebrations were perfectly justified (and actually far
too low key in this country considering Tony Blair apparently had better
things to do - thus making it impossible for the Queen to attend either) it
was the way the events were being explained/interpreted that irritated me.
Surveys often show that students/school children don't know much about World
War II anyway (a recent survey showed that a large number of respondants
thought Churchill was an insurance salesman) and I think the media has a
responsibility to make sure that they get their facts right.

And while I'm complaining - I don't get the mindset that decided on a date
in July for the celebrations. We have VE Day in May and VJ Day in August so
we'll pick a date in the middle which isn't an anniversary of everything and
call it a compromise?! I'm not ranting on the subject like I was about the
above thing I'm just - confsed and dumbfounded. My mind obviously doesn't
work the same way as the people who decided that because it makes no sense
to me at all. If you want to celebrate the anniversary of the end of the war
then why don't we use a really radical idea and hold the celebrations on (or
around, a weekday wouldn't be very practical) the actual anniversary than
just picking an arbitrary date?

K

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From gbannister10 at aol.com  Tue May 10 06:37:38 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:37:38 -0000
Subject: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <427FE2BC.000001.01956@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d5pkri+9pm4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
> K
> 
> First off I get the impression you think I'm coming at this from a
> non-European perspective (forgive me if I'm reading that wrong) but 
as I'm
> British and live in Britain I think that's highly unlikely. 


Geoff:
My apologies. I did misinterpret your comments as coming from the 
other side of the pond. As a member of the group, I for a couple of 
years, I now tend to think that a majority of contributors are from 
that large country well to the west of us(!)

K:
> If you want to celebrate the anniversary of the end of the war
> then why don't we use a really radical idea and hold the 
celebrations on (or
> around, a weekday wouldn't be very practical) the actual 
anniversary than
> just picking an arbitrary date?

Geoff:
IIRC, that's what we did in 1995 on the 50th anniversary. Mark you, 
that was also the year 2 BNL (Before New Labour)
:-)





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Tue May 10 07:18:13 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:18:13 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
References: <d5pkri+9pm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42806035.000001.01204@KATHRYN>

 

 
 
Geoff:
My apologies. I did misinterpret your comments as coming from the
other side of the pond. As a member of the group, I for a couple of
years, I now tend to think that a majority of contributors are from
that large country well to the west of us(!)
 

K

I have no idea how to phrase this so as not to offend our American friends
so I'm just going to plough ahead regardless and asume they're adult enough
to not take offense, but several people on different lists have got that
impression about me recently and I'm beginning to get a complex! Perhaps I
should add a line to my sig proclaiming my Britishness. I don't want to be
mistaken for an American - any more than I'm sure most Americans would want
people to think they were British or French or German or any other
nationality. Last time it happened was of course my own fault as I was
discussing the British legal system (in relation to HP but not around here I
think) and my vocabulary failed me and I could not for the life of me think
what we call the Crown Prosecution Service and referred to them as DAs - but
that doesn't make me American , it just makes me a hopeless addict of US
crime dramas, especially Law and Order ;)

And I must admit I have a tendency of assuming other posters are American
since about the only person whose location I can remember is Shaun and that
s mainly because his posts so often refer to Australian issues and povs. I
tend to check what time something was posted to get a vague idea about where
people come from if it is relevent but since I personally tend to post in
the early hours of the morning I know that's not foolproof.

K 

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue May 10 08:56:32 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:56:32 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <20050509214102.65839.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <d5ohef+5bu6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <428103E0.1103.4D9F75@localhost>

On 9 May 2005 at 14:41, Ladi lyndi wrote:

> However, I also think that the reason there is less emphasis on VE and
> VJ day in the US is because of our Memorial Day - the day we honor all
> those who have died in service to our country.  It is at that time,
> the end of May, that emphasis is on the different wars, from the civil
> war onward and the days the wars ended.  It's at that time that my
> history courses focused particularly on WWII.
> 
> A question to those who live in Australia - is VJ day widely
> celebrated in Australia as opposed to VE day?  That asked, the war
> memorial in Canberra is the best I've ever been to.  I recommend
> anyone who has a chance to walk the avenue and then check out the war
> memorial and museum.  Australians know how to do things right!

The Australian War Memorial in Canberra is indeed very impressive - 
personally though as a memorial I much prefer the Shrine of 
Rememberance in Melbourne. The AWM has an excellent museum as part of 
it, of course - the Shrine's museum is much smaller - it's strength 
is as a memorial.

The Shrine was erected in the years after World War I. It is a very 
impressive structure in beautiful grounds located just south of the 
central city of Melbourne - if you stand in Swanston Street (which is 
the main north-south thoroughfare through central Melbourne and look 
south, the Shrine is in perfect alignment.

It has been added to to commemorate Australian involvement in other 
wars over the years, but the most impressive thing to me is one of 
the oldest. An inscription on the western face:

LET ALL MEN KNOW THAT THIS IS HOLY GROUND. THIS SHRINE, ESTABLISHED 
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN AS ON THE SOLID EARTH, COMMEMORATES A PEOPLE'S 
FORTITUDE AND SACRIFICE. YE THEREFORE THAT COME AFTER, GIVE 
REMEMBRANCE.

The Shrine always chokes me up.

To answer your question... Australia observes both VE and VJ day to 
and extent, and of the two VJ Day is probably a little more 
prominent.

But both are overshadowed to a great extent by ANZAC Day, which is 
the 25th April each year - so just before VE Day. ANZAC Day is the 
day Australians commemorate all our war dead. It is the anniversary 
of the Gallipoli landings of 1915 which were the first time 
Australian (and New Zealand) troops went into battle as 
representatives of independent nations - both Australians and New 
Zealanders have fought in previous wars, but they were colonial 
forces - Australia achieved status as an independent dominion in 
1901, and New Zealand in 1907.

ANZAC stands for Australian and New Zealand Army Corps. This is the 
day for us. Thousands of Australians and New Zealanders make a 
pilgrimage each year to Gallipoli for ANZAC Day (the Turks are 
remarkably hospitable in allowing such high level commemorations of 
what was, after all, an invasion of their nation) and it is 
commemorated at home as well.

In a sense, ANZAC is at the core of our nation - and as such it 
overshadows all other commemorations. So perhaps in that regard it is 
similar to the way you describe the US Memorial Day.

Remembrance Day (11th November) is commemorated in a more low key way 
- but it is intended as a memorial to the war dead of all nations.

Walking to the Shrine before dawn on ANZAC Day for the memorials... 
it's a powerful thing. It always has been for me, but especially 
since my father died - his death was linked to his service in Borneo 
and Vietnam. Walking on the grounds of the Shrine... it is truly Holy 
Ground.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue May 10 13:26:52 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:26:52 -0700
Subject: Gryffindor scarves
In-Reply-To: <42806035.000001.01204@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <001b01c55563$ef204580$202cf304@pensive>

Hi all,

A friend of mine used to have a pattern for knitting Harry potter style
scarves.  She has since lost the pattern due to a computer crash and
wondered if anyone on this list knew of a pattern or web site where she
could find one.  In particular, she asked me to ask if anyone knew the
pattern done in the rounds, by which I think she meant those circular
knitting needles!  Anyway, if anyone has any idea, let me know, and I'll
pass them along to her.  thanks.

Sherry




From xcpublishing at yahoo.com  Tue May 10 15:10:57 2005
From: xcpublishing at yahoo.com (xcpublishing)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:10:57 -0000
Subject: Other books
Message-ID: <d5qiu1+cv7c@eGroups.com>

Steve, thanks for the listing of other "kids" books.  I recently read 
Artemis Fowl and it was fabulous - very intelligently written with 
more adult concepts than many adult books I've read.  I've been 
meaning to pick up Stroud and Paoline but haven't quite found them at 
the library (I read everything at the library and if I love it, then 
I buy it).  I also want to recommend The Book of Three by Lloyd 
Alexander.  I read it over the weekend and can't wait to grab the 
rest of the series.  Frankly, I've grown quite disgusted with "adult" 
books and the repetition of themes, lack of originality, and the 
tendency of the publishing companies to spit out any bit of tripe 
written by a previously published author.  Tell me they wouldn't 
publish Stephen King's grocery list.  I stopped reading him years ago 
when they stopped editing his work and gave him free rein to crank 
out 800 pages of rehashed nothing.  With the success of Harry Potter, 
kids books, particularly fantasy, have gotten more original and 
exciting.  I find them a lot more entertaining than the same old 
romance theme or the same mystery plot.  Maybe I miss reading kids 
books because I also read adult books as a child.  I read everything 
my parents had in the house by age 11, including romance, mysteries, 
westerns... and the dictionary when I ran out.

Nicky Joe





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue May 10 21:46:37 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:46:37 -0000
Subject: Gryffindor scarves
In-Reply-To: <001b01c55563$ef204580$202cf304@pensive>
Message-ID: <d5ra3t+847v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" 
<sherriola at e...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> A friend of mine used to have a pattern for knitting Harry potter 
style scarves.  She has since lost the pattern due to a computer 
crash and wondered if anyone on this list knew of a pattern or web 
site where she could find one.  In particular, she asked me to ask 
if anyone knew the pattern done in the rounds, by which I think she 
meant those circular knitting needles!  Anyway, if anyone has any 
idea, let me know, and I'll pass them along to her.  thanks.
> 
> Sherry

*****\(@@)/*****

Here is one of the sites with the pattern:

http://knitting.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?
site=http://atypically.net/hp/scarfpattern.shtml

Here is the one I used originally:

http://knitting.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?
site=http://www.knitting%2Dand.com/knitting/patterns/scarves/wizard%
2Dscarf%2D1.htm

And here are some other stuff including the heraldic lion sweater 
that a lot of people use:

http://knitting.about.com/library/weekly/aa062303.htm

Finally, here is a great site and my Quiddich Sweater pattern is on 
it but I think you have to join to see it in the files. A children's 
pattern is also included. I also think there are Dobby Sock patterns 
there too:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPKnit/

Happy Knitting!

Dudemom_2000 - who is never happier than when she is knitting Harry 
Potter items!

*****\(@@)/*****







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 12:36:50 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:36:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes x 2!
Message-ID: <20050511123650.74143.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>

*hangs streamers slowly with bandaged fingers*

Yes, I know I'm late. I've already shut my fingers in
the oven door.

Birthday honourees missed were Cindy on the 7th and
Gabrielle on the 9th. Belated birthday owls can be
sent care of this list or directly to Cindy at:
esk at europa.com and to Gabrielle at:
gabrielle9578 at yahoo.co.uk

I hope you both had magical days that were everything
you hoped for.

*duck out quickly and comes back with cake and other
goodies*

Okay, let's get this party started!

Happy Birthday, Cindy!
Happy Birthday, Gabrielle!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 12:39:41 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:39:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Peter!
Message-ID: <20050511123941.13300.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>

*adds more balloons to the already well decorated room
and suspended glitter above the party-goers*

Today's birthday honouree is Peter Schuster. Birthday
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to
Peter at: pfsch at gmx.de

I hope you have a wonderful day, filled with magic,
fun and the company of good friends.

*steps out quickly and comes back with another cake*

Happy Birthday, Peter!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 12:58:28 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 05:58:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050511125828.67353.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kathryn  wrote:

And I must admit I have a tendency of assuming other posters are American
since about the only person whose location I can remember is Shaun and that
s mainly because his posts so often refer to Australian issues and povs. 
 
 
Lynn:
 
Then you have infrequent posters like me who are one nationality but have lived in other countries for significant amounts of time and have POVs which has been influenced by such movement.
 
And, you've got to give up watching some of those American TV shows.  Some are good but I really thought Europeans had better sense than to import Jerry Springer, Sally Jessy, etc.  Import Oprah instead!  LOL 
 
Lynn
(who is glad Dr. Phil is back on and wants all the CSI shows too but is more partial to some of the older British shows like Touch of Frost, Bergerac, Inspector Morse and is enjoying Midsummer Murders and Inspector Lynley Mysteries, even if they aren't faithful to the books.)


 

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 13:15:20 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:15:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <428103E0.1103.4D9F75@localhost>
Message-ID: <20050511131520.11726.qmail@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Shaun Hately  wrote:
 
The Australian War Memorial in Canberra is indeed very impressive - 
personally though as a memorial I much prefer the Shrine of 
Rememberance in Melbourne. The AWM has an excellent museum as part of 
it, of course - the Shrine's museum is much smaller - it's strength 
is as a memorial.
 
Lynn:
 
I'm sorry I missed the Shrine when I was in Melbourne.  If I had known about it, I would have made sure it was on my itinerary.  There was so much to do and so little time it do it in.  However, it is certainly on my itinerary for my next visit.
 
I was aware that the anniversary of Gallipolli was a big focus.  I didn't realise that it was for the reason you state, I thought it was due to the high number of casualties.  
 
In the US, there is Veterans Day rather than Remembrance Day and veterans of all forces are remembered, whether living or dead.  It is still celebrated on 11 November.  Of course, the original day was Armistice Day to commemorate the end of WWI but since it didn't end up being the war to end all wars, saw it changed to include more.  However in the US, like in Australia, it is quieter.
 
Lynn


 

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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 15:38:01 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:38:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Belated Birthday Wishes x 2!
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050511153802.94041.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sheryll  wrote:
 
*hangs streamers slowly with bandaged fingers*
Yes, I know I'm late. I've already shut my fingers in
the oven door.
 
Lynn:
 
*handing Sheryll some Essence of Murtlap*
 
Dear Sheryll, we know how hard you work and how hard it is to keep up with all the birthdays around here.  While it is nice to have one's birthday recognized on the day, all these birthday cakes are fattening up my waistline!  Wouldn't it be, shall we say, more healthy if there was a weekly birthday party?  (Not to mention saving the wear and tear on the iron and oven door?)  If we are reminded beforehand, we can then send the individuals our own birthday wishes on the day.
 
Lynn
(who figures this may have been brought up before but then again, maybe not. Besides, the walls will soon need to be repainted due to all the tape and blutack to keep up the balloons and streamers, not to mention the money that will be saved on the same.)


 

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 22:02:45 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:02:45 -0000
Subject: Deadline for The Witching Hour Submissions Approaching
Message-ID: <d5tve5+bkip@eGroups.com>

NEWS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 
DEADLINE FOR THE WITCHING HOUR SUBMISSIONS APPROACHING
Gather your theories, thoughts and speculations by 11:59 p.m. EST May 
15
 
Pick up your quill and get to work ? the deadline for submitting 
presentations, panels, round tables, workshops and more to The 
Witching Hour 
is quickly approaching. We want to remind everyone that The Witching 
Hour, an academic symposium in Salem, Mass., from Oct. 6-10, accepts 
intelligent proposals from anyone. Whether you're a fan with 
extensive 
theories on the use of dragons in J.K. Rowling's work, or an academic 
who 
wants to talk about perspectives on Draco
in the fandom, we're looking for you!

Several proposals already have been accepted, including:
 
Presentations
Pottermania in the Classroom, Doris Herrmann
Snape's Appeal in Canon: Severus, Meet Sherlock, Vivienne D'Avalon
MAGUS LEGIS: A Closer Look At 'The Hearing', Cherie del Rio
How Dark Is It? ? and How Is It Dark?, Diana Patterson, Mount Royal 
College

Round Tables
Left My Heart: Keeping Your OTP Alive in a Changing World, Aja Romano
Unfogging the Future ? Predictions for Book 7, C.J. Burnett

But we have room for many more! Please make all submissions using our 
online system located at www.witchinghour.org/submissions.  For more 
information, check out www.witchinghour.org/submissions/ or e-mail 
programming at witchinghour.org.
 
Also, we're thrilled to announce that Catherine Tosenberger, Chair of 
Formal Programming, is going to discuss The Witching Hour on NPR's 
"Recess" hosted by special guest John Cech on Tuesday May 10. You can 
listen 
to the spot or read the transcript here: 
http://www.recess.ufl.edu/transcripts/2005/0510.shtml







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 22:09:45 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:09:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Belated Birthday Wishes x 2!
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050511220945.55290.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>

> Sheryll  wrote:
>  
> *hangs streamers slowly with bandaged fingers*
> Yes, I know I'm late. I've already shut my fingers
> in
> the oven door.
>  
> Lynn:
>  
> *handing Sheryll some Essence of Murtlap*
>  
Sheryll:
Thank you! My bandaged fingers are very appreciative.
:)

Lynn:
> Dear Sheryll, we know how hard you work and how hard
> it is to keep up with all the birthdays around here.
>  While it is nice to have one's birthday recognized
> on the day, all these birthday cakes are fattening
> up my waistline!  Wouldn't it be, shall we say, more
> healthy if there was a weekly birthday party?  (Not
> to mention saving the wear and tear on the iron and
> oven door?)  If we are reminded beforehand, we can
> then send the individuals our own birthday wishes on
> the day.
>  
Sheryll:
I can say for sure that next week's birthdays will all
be announced together this Friday, as your Birthday
Elf is going on vacation. 

There is something to be said for having a weekly
party, aside from the slimming effects of us eating
less cake. However, I received a lovely note offlist
not long ago that pointed out to me that these
birthday greetings may be the only bright spots in
some of the honourees days. For this reason, if no
other, I feel it's important to try and treat each
birthday as something special. To the birthday
honourees, they are special days. And speaking
personally as the only member of my family who doesn't
get a family party, I truly understand how important
it can be that special days be recognised. :)

> Lynn
> (who figures this may have been brought up before
> but then again, maybe not. Besides, the walls will
> soon need to be repainted due to all the tape and
> blutack to keep up the balloons and streamers, not
> to mention the money that will be saved on the
> same.)
> 
Sheryll:
It has been brought up before, though I don't think
it's been mentioned on this list. I promise that all
decorations are hung magically and no damage is being
done to our party room. 

I truly appreciate the thoughtfulness of your
suggestion!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf (among the many hats I wear
around here) :-)

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From marilynpeake at cs.com  Thu May 12 01:10:57 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:10:57 -0000
Subject: New Member - Introducing Myself
Message-ID: <d5uaf1+r4dn@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone,

I just joined this group and, earlier today, joined the 
related "Harry Potter for Grownups" group.  Wow!  The activity in 
these groups is remarkable!  Should be fun!  I guess I should 
introduce myself.  I'm the author of three children's fantasy 
adventure novels - The Fisherman's Son and its sequel, The City of 
the Golden Sun, have been published in both paperback and eBook 
formats; Return of the Golden Age (the third book in the trilogy) is 
scheduled for publication this Spring.  In addition, The Fisherman's 
Son is scheduled for release in audio this coming July.  I recently 
had my first adult short story accepted for publication in an 
anthology.  My web site is: http://www.marilynpeake.com .  I have a 
Master of Arts in Clinical Psychology and, prior to staying at home 
to raise my children, worked as a Staff Psychologist.  I love the 
Harry Potter series and movies, and look forward to joining in the 
discussions here!

Best Wishes,
Marilyn Peake

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com
     







From pfsch at gmx.de  Thu May 12 07:48:24 2005
From: pfsch at gmx.de (Peter Felix Schuster)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:48:24 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Peter!
In-Reply-To: <20050511123941.13300.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d5v1o8+elsq@eGroups.com>

Dear Sheryll!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...>
wrote:

> hope you have a wonderful day, filled with magic,
> fun and the company of good friends.
> Happy Birthday, Peter!

Thank you very much! I know I haven't been too talkative in the last
few months (or ever too be honest). But I'll try to improve that, read
my tea leaves (oh, a Grim!) and predict some things about book six in
HP4GU. :)

And I had at least one magic moment watching the new GoF Trailer :)

Goobite
setrok (Peter)





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu May 12 11:08:45 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:08:45 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <20050511131520.11726.qmail@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <428103E0.1103.4D9F75@localhost>
Message-ID: <4283C5DD.808.F0C469@localhost>

On 11 May 2005 at 6:15, Ladi lyndi wrote:

> 
> I'm sorry I missed the Shrine when I was in Melbourne.  If I had known
> about it, I would have made sure it was on my itinerary.  There was so
> much to do and so little time it do it in.  However, it is certainly
> on my itinerary for my next visit.

If you get a chance and such things interest you, as they seem to, 
the Shrine is worth seeing - and it's only a short tram trip from 
Flinders Street station.
 
> I was aware that the anniversary of Gallipolli was a big focus.  I
> didn't realise that it was for the reason you state, I thought it was
> due to the high number of casualties.  

Well, casualties certainly were quite significant.

7818 Australians were killed at Gallipoli.

But there were far more significant casualty lists - Australia lost 
23,000 at the Somme a year later. 10,000 at Bullecourt in 1917.

On 7th June, 1917, Australia lost 7,000 - nearly as many as in the 
eight months of Gallipoli - in a single day at Messines. We suffered 
38,000 casualties during the Ypres offensive.

Now bear in mind - that in all the above cases, Australian troops 
were only a relatively small proportion of the numbers involved - 
these battles were massive. 

The thing is - while Gallipoli was bad, it pales compared to what 
came later. Gallipoli is important here because it represents 
Australia's baptism in blood. The first time, Australians, as 
Australians, had done anything significant on the world stage. For 
New Zealand, it was somewhat similar - but even though New Zealand 
had only recently achieved status as an independent dominion, it had 
been a united colony for quite a while (Australia was a collection of 
colonies until 1901 - not one entity).

Actually, Australia had become independent during the Boer War - and 
the Australia Commonwealth Horse were sent to fight in that war - but 
virtually all units had started out as colonial units. And, in all 
honesty, the only story most Australians know about our involvement 
in the Boer War is that of Breaker Morant - it's a great story, but 
it's not exactly a stirring one - depending on how you look at it, 
Morant was either a war criminal, or a scapegoat, sacrificed to try 
and secure peace (personally, I think he was a bit of both - and I 
commend his story to anyone who finds history interesting).

So Gallipoli was really the first.

And it inspired one of the great Australian ballads:

Now when I was a young man I carried me pack
And I lived the free life of the rover
>From the Murray's green basin to the dusty outback,
Well, I waltzed my Matilda all over
Then in 1915, my country said, "Son,
It's time you stop ramblin', there's work to be done."
So they gave me a tin hat, and they gave me a gun,
And they marched me away to the war.

And the band played "Waltzing Matilda"
As the ship pulled away from the quay,
And amidst all the cheers, the flag waving, and tears,
We sailed off for Gallipoli.

And how well I remember that terrible day
How our blood stained the sand and the water
And of how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter
Johnny Turk, he was waitin', he primed himself well
He showered us with bullets, and he rained us with shell
And in five minutes flat, he'd blown us all to hell
Nearly blew us right back to Australia.

But the band played "Waltzing Matilda"
When we stopped to bury our slain
Well, we buried ours and the Turks buried theirs,
Then we started all over again

And those that were left, well, we tried to survive
In that mad world of blood, death and fire.
And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive
Though around me the corpses piled higher
Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over head
And when I woke up in me hospital bed
And saw what it had done, well, I wished I was dead
Never knew there was worse things than dying

For I'll go no more "Waltzing Matilda"
All around the green bush far and free
To hump tents and pegs, a man needs both legs
No more "Waltzing Matilda" for me

So they gathered the crippled, the wounded, the maimed
And they shipped us back home to Australia
The armless, the legless, the blind, the insane
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And as our ship sailed into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where me legs used to be
And thanked Christ there was nobody waiting for me
To grieve, to mourn and to pity

But the band played "Waltzing Matilda"
As they carried us down the gangway
But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared
Then they turned all their faces away

And so now every April, I sit on my porch
And I watch the parade pass before me
And I see my old comrades, how proudly they march
Reviving old dreams of past glory
And the old men march slowly, all bones stiff and sore
They're tired old heroes from a forgotten war
And the young people ask "What are they marching for?"
And I ask meself the same question.

But the band plays "Waltzing Matilda"
And the old men still answer the call
But as year follows year, more old men disappear
Someday, no one will march there at all.

Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda.
Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?
And their ghosts may be heard as they march by the billabong,
Who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda with me?

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 12 11:45:15 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:45:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Kathryn!
Message-ID: <20050512114515.91423.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>

Gee, you guys did a nice job of tidying up after the
last parties. Thanks!

*decorates the room quickly, balloons and streamers
flying everywhere as she goes*

Today's birthday honouree is Kathryn. Birthday owls
can be sent care of this list or directly to Kathryn
at: kcawte at ntlworld.com

I hope you day is filled with magic and brings
everything you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Kathryn!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 12 12:56:06 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:56:06 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Peter!
In-Reply-To: <d5v1o8+elsq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d5vjp6+jh4o@eGroups.com>

> And I had at least one magic moment watching the new GoF Trailer :)
> 
> Goobite
> setrok (Peter)


Well, now, THAT'S an intriguing comment, Peter.  Do tell!?! ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu May 12 14:10:33 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:10:33 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
References: <20050511125828.67353.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <428363D9.000001.01616@KATHRYN>

 

Lynn:
 
Then you have infrequent posters like me who are one nationality but have
lived in other countries for significant amounts of time and have POVs which
has been influenced by such movement.
 
And, you've got to give up watching some of those American TV shows.  Some
are good but I really thought Europeans had better sense than to import
Jerry Springer, Sally Jessy, etc.  Import Oprah instead!  LOL
 
Lynn
(who is glad Dr. Phil is back on and wants all the CSI shows too but is more
partial to some of the older British shows like Touch of Frost, Bergerac,
Inspector Morse and is enjoying Midsummer Murders and Inspector Lynley
Mysteries, even if they aren't faithful to the books.)
 
 

K

Oh good grief - the only reason to watch Springer is for the comedy value -
although I guess there is the superiority factor, his guests prove we
Europeans are right in our suspicions about you crazy Americans ;)

I am a crime show addict more than a US TV addict - CSI (all of them), NCIS,
Without a Trace, Law & Order (pretty much all of them too) etc etc. I love
UK crime shows too - Daziel & Pascoe, Midsummer, Inspector lynley, Frost etc
not to mention classics like The Professionals & the Sweeney. And going off
on a tangent there was a program a few weeks back about most watched TV and
their expert was talking about The Sweeney and said it had an all male
audience because it was all car chases and beating up suspects ... now
clearly this woman doesn't have eyes because it also had John Thaw and
Dennis Waterman and at the time they were considered sexy.

My rosta of crime shows is being slightly disrupted by a new addiction -
House.

K

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 07:52:50 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:52:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday, Neil and Parker!
Message-ID: <20050513075251.50008.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>

*puts the finishing touches on the newly decorated
room and wanders off to make sure there's adequate
parking for the friends of the Flying Ford Anglia* 

Today's birthday honourees are Neil and Parker, both
of whom (I think) have been around HPFGU even longer
than I have. In fact, it was Neil's wonderful sense of
humour that first attracted me to this group. :)

Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or
directly to Neil at: neilward at dircon.co.uk and Parker
at: pbnesbit at msn.com

I hope you both have the magical days you truly
deserve, filled with good friends and good times.

Happy Birthday, Neil!
Happy Birthday, Parker!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf (who hopes to help Neil
celebrate next week)

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 08:02:54 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 04:02:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Upcoming birthdays, lots of them!
Message-ID: <20050513080254.51431.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>

*shuffles feet, blushing at the prospect of asking
list members for a favour*

Could I ask you all to help keep the room tidy, the
decorations intact and the food well stocked while I'm
away? We have lots of birthdays coming up while I'm
gone and it won't do to have the room fall into a
state of disrepair. 

You will? Awww, thanks. I was so worried about things
going wrong while I was gone. :)

Birthday honourees during me absence are:

May 14 Mariana - marugg at fibertel.com.ar
May 16 Scott
May 16 Minzzer - minzzer at hotmail.com
May 17 Megan (Rhiannon333) - rhiannon333 at hotmail.com
May 19 Fiona Potter - fiona.potter at tiscali.co.uk
May 21 Mirzam Black - mirzamblack at yahoo.com
May 22 Lilibet - lilibetlilibet at yahoo.com
May 22 Jen Piersol - jenp_97 at yahoo.com *waves to Jen*

Birthday owls can be sent care of this or to the email
addresses provided above. 

Please help make sure these wonderful people have the
best days possible!

Happy Birthday, Mariana, Scott, Minzzer, Megan, Fiona,
Mirzam, Lilibet and Jen!!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri May 13 10:10:32 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:10:32 -0000
Subject: Nationalities
Message-ID: <d61ueo+n7qh@eGroups.com>

Interesting to read people's comments about where they think people 
live.  It might be nice to have this information (the reality, not the 
perception, that is!) somewhere.

Although it's not the ideal data structure, I suspect the easiest way 
to capture and then access this information is a poll, though that 
limits us to 25 nationalities (or countries of residence, whichever we 
think more appropriate).  The weakness is one has to identify people 
by the first part of thei email address.

An alternative is a database, but I find those a bit clunky on Yahoo 
as you can only see the first dozen entries, and I prefer to see 
everyone at a glance.

Thoughts?

David





From paulined at optushome.com.au  Fri May 13 10:15:57 2005
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:15:57 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050513201553.01fd4008@mail.optushome.com.au>

Thanks for your informative and touching posts Shaun.

To listen to the author Eric Bogle talk about and sing "And the band played 
Waltzing Matilda" go to
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/matilda.html
where there is a link.


>So Gallipoli was really the first.
>
>And it inspired one of the great Australian ballads:
>
>Now when I was a young man I carried me pack
>And I lived the free life of the rover
> From the Murray's green basin to the dusty outback,
>Well, I waltzed my Matilda all over
>Then in 1915, my country said, "Son,
>It's time you stop ramblin', there's work to be done."
>So they gave me a tin hat, and they gave me a gun,
>And they marched me away to the war.
>
>And the band played "Waltzing Matilda"
>As the ship pulled away from the quay,
>And amidst all the cheers, the flag waving, and tears,
>We sailed off for Gallipoli.
>
>And how well I remember that terrible day
>How our blood stained the sand and the water
>And of how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay
>We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter
>Johnny Turk, he was waitin', he primed himself well
>He showered us with bullets, and he rained us with shell
>And in five minutes flat, he'd blown us all to hell
>Nearly blew us right back to Australia.
>
>But the band played "Waltzing Matilda"
>When we stopped to bury our slain
>Well, we buried ours and the Turks buried theirs,
>Then we started all over again
>
>And those that were left, well, we tried to survive
>In that mad world of blood, death and fire.
>And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive
>Though around me the corpses piled higher
>Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over head
>And when I woke up in me hospital bed
>And saw what it had done, well, I wished I was dead
>Never knew there was worse things than dying
>
>For I'll go no more "Waltzing Matilda"
>All around the green bush far and free
>To hump tents and pegs, a man needs both legs
>No more "Waltzing Matilda" for me
>
>So they gathered the crippled, the wounded, the maimed
>And they shipped us back home to Australia
>The armless, the legless, the blind, the insane
>Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
>And as our ship sailed into Circular Quay
>I looked at the place where me legs used to be
>And thanked Christ there was nobody waiting for me
>To grieve, to mourn and to pity
>
>But the band played "Waltzing Matilda"
>As they carried us down the gangway
>But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared
>Then they turned all their faces away
>
>And so now every April, I sit on my porch
>And I watch the parade pass before me
>And I see my old comrades, how proudly they march
>Reviving old dreams of past glory
>And the old men march slowly, all bones stiff and sore
>They're tired old heroes from a forgotten war
>And the young people ask "What are they marching for?"
>And I ask meself the same question.
>
>But the band plays "Waltzing Matilda"
>And the old men still answer the call
>But as year follows year, more old men disappear
>Someday, no one will march there at all.
>
>Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda.
>Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?
>And their ghosts may be heard as they march by the billabong,
>Who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda with me?
>
>Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
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From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 10:48:34 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050513104834.84917.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kathryn  wrote:
 
Oh good grief - the only reason to watch Springer is for the comedy value -
although I guess there is the superiority factor, his guests prove we
Europeans are right in our suspicions about you crazy Americans ;)


Lynn:
 
Well, you know what they say - garbage in, garbage out.  I guess I just got tired of hearing all Americans compared to those on the Springer-type shows.  "You're not at all like the Americans I see on TV."  Well, DUH.  Then again, perhaps those are the people who should be on a Springer-type show, unlike yourself who understands the grand comedic value of trash.
 
 
Kathryn  wrote:  

And going off
on a tangent there was a program a few weeks back about most watched TV and
their expert was talking about The Sweeney and said it had an all male
audience because it was all car chases and beating up suspects ... now
clearly this woman doesn't have eyes because it also had John Thaw and
Dennis Waterman and at the time they were considered sexy.

Lynn:
 
Definitely wrong by my observation.  We attended a Murder Mystery Dinner recently and one of the evening long jokes was that whenever the Sweeney theme-song came up, everyone was supposed to get up and do some specific movements.  A majority of the women there were the first to jump up and swooned over the John Thaw character.
 
Oh, what in the world is House?
 



 

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri May 13 13:16:28 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:16:28 -0000
Subject: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <20050513104834.84917.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d629bc+9p0s@eGroups.com>

> Lynn:

>   "You're not at all like the Americans I see on TV."  

Golly.  Let me get this straight.  Are you telling me you don't have 
yellow skin and three fingers on each hand?

David, illusions shattered





From Grrarrggh at aol.com  Fri May 13 07:17:02 2005
From: Grrarrggh at aol.com (Tamara)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:17:02 -0000
Subject: Draco Fanfics
Message-ID: <d61k9e+sbbi@eGroups.com>

I'm looking for any well written fanfics that have the HP books from 
Draco's point of view, sort of like Orson Scott Card did for Bean in 
Ender's Game. Anyone know of any?

Cheers,
Tamara







From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 14:49:10 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: VE Day
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050513144910.93545.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



davewitley wrote:
> Lynn:

>   "You're not at all like the Americans I see on TV."  

Golly.  Let me get this straight.  Are you telling me you don't have 
yellow skin and three fingers on each hand?

David, illusions shattered


Lynn:
 
Sorry David but no, no yellow skin.  Yellow eye, rotted teeth and married to my son's father-in-law's ex-wife's brother's cousin's uncle, yes.


 

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From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri May 13 14:52:57 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:52:57 -0000
Subject: VE Day
In-Reply-To: <20050513144910.93545.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d62f09+rq0o@eGroups.com>

You forgot the 4 foot beehive of blue hair.  :=) 

Joe

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> davewitley wrote:
> > Lynn:
> 
> >   "You're not at all like the Americans I see on TV."  
> 
> Golly.  Let me get this straight.  Are you telling me you don't 
have 
> yellow skin and three fingers on each hand?
> 
> David, illusions shattered
> 
> 
> Lynn:
>  
> Sorry David but no, no yellow skin.  Yellow eye, rotted teeth and 
married to my son's father-in-law's ex-wife's brother's cousin's 
uncle, yes.
> 
> 
>  
> 
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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 13 15:26:48 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:26:48 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: TV shows
References: <20050513104834.84917.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4284C738.000001.01900@KATHRYN>


 
Lynn:
 
Definitely wrong by my observation.  We attended a Murder Mystery Dinner
recently and one of the evening long jokes was that whenever the Sweeney
theme-song came up, everyone was supposed to get up and do some specific
movements.  A majority of the women there were the first to jump up and
swooned over the John Thaw character.
 
Oh, what in the world is House?
 
 K

Hmm, I always preferred Carter to Regan but then I encountered the show long
after Thaw had become Morse in my mind so maybe that had an effect.

US medical comedy/drama ie it successfully mixes comedy and drama in a way
that is rarely well done but works fantastically when it is, I was comparing
the mix of the two to MASH when describing it to someone else, I mean it
takes skill to mix a good deal of laughs with a storyline about dying
babies! Stars Hugh Laurie (with facial hair and an American accent!) as the
most unsympathetic un-people-friendly doctor you have ever met in your life.
Very good and I just discoevred it on cable in the UK (Hallmark I think) -
season's nearly over in the US, but it is well worth watching in my opinion.
Laurie's delivery and timing is probably what makes the show work so well.

K

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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 15:50:15 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Nationalities
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050513155015.85087.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- davewitley <dfrankiswork at netscape.net> wrote:
<snip>
> Although it's not the ideal data structure, I suspect the easiest way 
> to capture and then access this information is a poll, though that 
> limits us to 25 nationalities (or countries of residence, whichever we 
> think more appropriate).  The weakness is one has to identify people 
> by the first part of thei email address.
> 
<snip>
> David
> 

Twenty-five would definitely not be enough.  Heck, that wouldn't even be
enough for all the Americans who insist on being labeled as -American, 
i.e., Irish-American, Cuban-American, African-American, Chinese-American,
Korean-American, German-American, Indian-American, Native American --- I
could go on and on.  I'm waiting for the label "mutt-American" to come
into vogue for people like me, who have a little bit of the entire world
running through their veins.  Until then, I guess you can just put me in
the column as just a plain ol' American.

Sorry....pet peeve of mine.  I'll go back to lurking now.

MJ

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From heidi at heidi8.com  Fri May 13 15:53:54 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:53:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Draco Fanfics
In-Reply-To: <d61k9e+sbbi@eGroups.com>
References: <d61k9e+sbbi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1115999636.BCDF17@dl11.dngr.org>


On Fri, 13 May 2005 10:45 am, Tamara wrote:
> I'm looking for any well written fanfics that have the HP books from
> Draco's point of view, sort of like Orson Scott Card did for Bean in
> Ender's Game. Anyone know of any?
>
You might want to look at Kellie's Draco Malfoy's Diary at 
http://unredeemed.net/fanfic/viewstory.php?sid=276 which is his take on 
OotP events. And while I generally don't self-plug, your request is so 
specific that I will - my Surfeit of Curses, which is probably 
perpetually unfinished, takes Draco's perpective on the first four books 
- mostly three and four, actually. You can find it at 
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Heidi (part of the fictionalley 
(http://www.fictionalley.org) set of sites.

Heidi



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 16:33:19 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:33:19 -0000
Subject: News Flash - JKR Website update
Message-ID: <d62ksf+c6u8@eGroups.com>

Here is a new message, I cut and pasted it here:

Friday 13 May 2005

Harry Potter Children's Press Conference Weekend
Over the weekend of publication on Saturday 16th July, I'll be 
taking part in a wonderful (for me, anyway) launch event for 'Harry 
Potter and the Half-Blood Prince' at Edinburgh Castle in Scotland. 

Seventy aspiring reporters will be attending the Harry Potter 
Children's Press Conference Weekend on behalf of English-language 
newspapers across the world. 
On the stroke of midnight on Saturday 16th I'll be giving the very 
first reading from the book at Edinburgh Castle for the cub 
reporters, who will each be given a signed copy of the book. The 
reporters will then have the weekend to read the book in a specially 
created Reading Room at Edinburgh Castle, before attending the 
Children's Press Conference on Sunday 17th July to grill me about it.

Newspapers from Britain, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, New 
Zealand and Canada will run competitions from 14th May onwards to 
select their own reporter. Bookshops and libraries in the UK and 
Republic of Ireland will also be running a competition. 

The internet will not be neglected, either - the brains behind two 
of the most popular Harry Potter fansites, Melissa from the Leaky 
Cauldron, and Emerson from Mugglenet, will also be coming to 
Edinburgh to interview me for their respective readers. The results 
of this three-cornered chat will be posted on our separate websites.

For more details on how to become one of the reporters at Edinburgh 
Castle on 16th July, check this weekend's newspapers, or go to 
www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter. You never know, I might be meeting 
you, too! Good luck!


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From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 13 18:29:47 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:29:47 -0000
Subject: Other books: Nicky Joe - to name two...
In-Reply-To: <d5qiu1+cv7c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d62rmr+9j2v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "xcpublishing" 
<xcpublishing at y...> wrote:
With the success of Harry Potter, kids books, particularly fantasy, 
have gotten more original and exciting.  I find them a lot more 
entertaining than the same old romance theme or the same 
mystery plot.  Maybe I miss reading kids books because I also 
read adult books as a child. 
> 
> Nicky Joe

Hi Nicky Joe,
I've been expounding at length on another site about those kids 
books which cross over into the adult world by being far deeper, 
intelligent and funnier than you'd ever expect. I have two books, 
one of which is my all time favourite, to recommend, and 
hopefully someone (anyone!) might give either of them a go. I'm 
having trouble finding anyone who knows them, because I'd love 
to waffle about them. I know both inside out, and could do with a 
good book-talk session! The Guardian Of Time and The Odessa 
Stone both reached me, particularly The Odessa Stone (it deals 
with losing a parent early in life, in part). If anyone does know 
either, do post a topic or rep[ly to this reply, I'm sure we could 
have a good waffle.

Sandra (hoping someone knows them)





From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Fri May 13 19:19:19 2005
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:19:19 -0000
Subject: News Flash - JKR Website update
In-Reply-To: <d62ksf+c6u8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d62ujn+qd6f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> 
wrote:

> 
> Newspapers from Britain, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, New 
> Zealand and Canada will run competitions from 14th May onwards to 
> select their own reporter. Bookshops and libraries in the UK and 
> Republic of Ireland will also be running a competition. 
> 
>


2 beagles:
Is it just me, or does JKR seem to avoid the U.S.?
There are no American newspapers in the running for the fun at the 
castle on July 16th.  And in the past, she has been asked whether 
there is a magic school in America (like a Durmstrang), which was a 
very definite "no."  The only American interview I ever remember her 
giving was on NPR (although there may have been others).  It just 
seems  a little curious to me.







From marilynpeake at cs.com  Fri May 13 20:40:18 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:40:18 -0000
Subject: News Flash - JKR Website update
In-Reply-To: <d62ujn+qd6f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d633bi+oqc2@eGroups.com>

2 beagles:
 Is it just me, or does JKR seem to avoid the U.S.?
 There are no American newspapers in the running for the fun at the 
 castle on July 16th.  And in the past, she has been asked whether 
 there is a magic school in America (like a Durmstrang), which was a 
 very definite "no."  The only American interview I ever remember her 
 giving was on NPR (although there may have been others).  It just 
 seems  a little curious to me.

Marilyn:  Being from the United States, I'm saddened to hear that no 
American newspapers are in the running.  Did none sign up, or were 
none chosen?

Thanks,
Marilyn

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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat May 14 00:11:07 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:11:07 -0000
Subject: News Flash - JKR Website update
In-Reply-To: <d62ujn+qd6f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d63fmr+u34j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "twobeaglesgirl" 
<cquinn at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> 
> wrote:
> 
> 2 beagles:
> Is it just me, or does JKR seem to avoid the U.S.?
> There are no American newspapers in the running for the fun at the 
> castle on July 16th.  And in the past, she has been asked whether 
> there is a magic school in America (like a Durmstrang), which was 
a 
> very definite "no."  The only American interview I ever remember 
her 
> giving was on NPR (although there may have been others).  It just 
> seems  a little curious to me.

Tonks:
Well maybe she doesn't like apple pie. (joke). I think the Leaky 
Cauldron and Mugglenet are folks from the US.

Tonks_op








From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sat May 14 02:03:01 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:03:01 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Plea for help - Telegraph Fantasy Football
Message-ID: <42855C55.000003.01784@KATHRYN>

 Any of the UK listmembers who are playing this who want to help me out? I
forgot to buy the paper Wednesday and I don't know what the transfer code
word is. I need to make a change before the games tomorrow. Can anyone help?

K




From jeterluver2 at aol.com  Sat May 14 01:24:27 2005
From: jeterluver2 at aol.com (Marissa)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 01:24:27 -0000
Subject: Emerson and Melissa Anelli
Message-ID: <d63k0b+p61s@eGroups.com>

Did you all hear the news?? I'm so excited for the two of them and 
we'll have so many good questions put for her to answer! 
~*~Marissa~*~







From jeterluver2 at aol.com  Sat May 14 01:35:23 2005
From: jeterluver2 at aol.com (Marissa)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 01:35:23 -0000
Subject: News Flash - JKR Website update
In-Reply-To: <d63fmr+u34j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d63kkr+s7jb@eGroups.com>

Yup. They are and they actually recieved phone calls from her 
personally. So, I'd assume she likes Americans. :)







From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Sat May 14 02:23:18 2005
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 02:23:18 -0000
Subject: Weekly Reader Interview
Message-ID: <d63nem+fvrc@eGroups.com>

Tonight I read an interview with Dan Radcliffe that was printed in
the Weekly Reader.  (There are links to it from TLC and Mugglenet)  I 
was really taken aback by something he said when asked about his co-
stars in the films.  He said he and Emma are like brother and sister, 
but that he doesn't really know Rupert.  There is something very
unsettling about that for me.  I hate that Hermione has so many of 
Ron's lines in the movies.  This interview makes me think that in the 
GOF movie we will see more of "Super" Hermione and less of Ron.  Ron
is 
one of my favorite characters in the book, and it stinks that the 
movies show him as merely comic relief.  And yes, I remember that Ron 
and Harry are at odds in the first part of GOF, but the fact that
they 
are such good friends makes their fighting that much more impactful.  
Sorry for the rant, but I know there are some of you who will 
understand.  And another thought...what does the minimizing of Ron's 
movie part say about his future in books six and seven...very curious.
Cyndi  





From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat May 14 02:23:49 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:23:49 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: News Flash - JKR Website update
Message-ID: <30.72935f0a.2fb6bb35@aol.com>

I think it makes them ' very ' special.  I loved hearing the  news.  Too bad 
they wouldn't have had time to read the book and ask  informed questions.
 
Shalimar


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From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sat May 14 02:27:04 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:27:04 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Weekly Reader Interview
Message-ID: <1fe.1910812.2fb6bbf8@aol.com>

Of course it's only speculation but I think Ron's part is building up to  
something much bigger.  Right now he comes off as 'scaredy cat' but I think  
he'll have to get out of that mode and find some inner strength and I hope it  
comes in book 6.
 
 


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From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Sat May 14 02:35:20 2005
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 02:35:20 -0000
Subject: Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <1fe.1910812.2fb6bbf8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d63o58+9n32@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, shalimar07 at a... wrote:
> Of course it's only speculation but I think Ron's part is building up 
to  
> something much bigger.  Right now he comes off as 'scaredy cat' but I 
think  
> he'll have to get out of that mode and find some inner strength and I 
hope it  
> comes in book 6.
>  
I certainly hope you are right.  By the way, sorry about posting the 
same message twice...tricky mouse finger...
Cyndi





From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sat May 14 13:27:37 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 06:27:37 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <d63neo+ahr0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c55888$b3740990$b92ef304@pensive>

I wouldn't take Dan's comments to mean anything in particular about the part
of Ron in the movies.  Often costars don't know each other well or downright
hate each other's guts.  The movie Wuthering heights is an example of the
two leading actors hating each other and yet brilliantly playing their parts
and making eternally lost love thing work.  however, I totally agree with
you about Ron and his parts in the movies.  In fact, it had begun to affect
my attitude toward Hermione in general, until I went back and read all the
books and remembered what her character is really like.  And of course, when
the time comes for movie of OOTP, we may see more separating of Ron, because
he's doing his own thing more.  But I want to see more of Ron in the movies
and don't want Hermione to be given all his lines in future.  Don't the
writers/directors realize that the fans are not happy about that?

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thekrenz
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:23 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Weekly Reader Interview


Tonight I read an interview with Dan Radcliffe that was printed in
the Weekly Reader.  (There are links to it from TLC and Mugglenet)  I 
was really taken aback by something he said when asked about his co-
stars in the films.  He said he and Emma are like brother and sister, 
but that he doesn't really know Rupert.  There is something very
unsettling about that for me.  I hate that Hermione has so many of 
Ron's lines in the movies.  This interview makes me think that in the 
GOF movie we will see more of "Super" Hermione and less of Ron.  Ron
is 
one of my favorite characters in the book, and it stinks that the 
movies show him as merely comic relief.  And yes, I remember that Ron 
and Harry are at odds in the first part of GOF, but the fact that
they 
are such good friends makes their fighting that much more impactful.  
Sorry for the rant, but I know there are some of you who will 
understand.  And another thought...what does the minimizing of Ron's 
movie part say about his future in books six and seven...very curious.
Cyndi  





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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 14 18:58:47 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:58:47 -0000
Subject: Nationalities
In-Reply-To: <d61ueo+n7qh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d65hp7+ilts@eGroups.com>

In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27206
"davewitley" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:

> Interesting to read people's comments about where they think people 
> live.  It might be nice to have this information (the reality, not
> the perception, that is!) somewhere.

Anyone who wants to announce their nationality can put it on their
Yahoo member profile.

(I probably should update mine -- I accidentally saw it the other day
and it said I was 44; by now I've been 47 for six months.)





From seuferer at netins.net  Sat May 14 20:59:12 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 20:59:12 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 36 up
Message-ID: <d65or0+lkn4@eGroups.com>

Lost Souls Found, Chapter 36: Holiday Research is posted.

To reprise the summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama,
hurt/comfort. After OotP so loads of spoilers for that book, but
before Half Blood Prince; so AU to that book when it arrives,
Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in DE activities because of
his OotP Spy role, a researcher from Ministry offers to aid and assist
Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potion's Master whom she knew
slightly from school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way too much plot
for those of you who want PWP.) WIP Rated for later chapters.

Here are the links again:
http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story has been more thoroughly 'polished' at FFN because I find it
more user friendly to my technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in the
'lemons' on AFN. I can't figure out how to `keep' my italics and other
font-thingies on AFN. Pathetic, I know, but there you are.

My beta has sent me chapter 37 and 38 for final revisions, she has
chapter 39 as well, and I will be sending her chapters 40 and 41 in
the next few days.  My goal is to complete the story before my
children get out of school on may 25th.  I don't know if I'll quite
make it, but it will be close.  Very shortly there after if nothing else.

I know this is a constant plea from fanfic and fanart creators, but it
really is the only way to know how the 'work' is being received.  It's
a little disconcerting to see that on AFN I've had almost 4,000 'hits'
but just over 40 reviews.  It makes my insecure little heart wonder if
the other 3,958 people think the story totally sucks.  *smirk*

Thanks for reading!
Lisa, AKA Shanti 





From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat May 14 23:19:03 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Nationalities
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050514231903.85000.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Catlady wrote:
 
(I probably should update mine -- I accidentally saw it the other day
and it said I was 44; by now I've been 47 for six months.)

 
Lynn:
 
You reminded me that I should probably update mine or else my next update would be 47 as well.  So, I get to be 46 for a couple of months anyway.
 
I saw that I hadn't indicated marital status.  I was a bit amazed with one of the choices - "Married but Looking".  There are people who would put that in and others who would be interested?  Well, at least they're being honest, I guess.


 

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From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Sun May 15 03:37:04 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 03:37:04 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Professor Sprout
Message-ID: <d66g50+62dl@eGroups.com>

UPDATE!!!!

May 15th, Pomona Sprout's Birthday





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May 15 04:02:08 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 15 May 2005 04:02:08 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1116129728.21.38647.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 15, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May 15 15:02:37 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 15 May 2005 15:02:37 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1116169357.76.72887.m28@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 15, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Sun May 15 17:24:49 2005
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (Spiridoula)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:24:49 -0000
Subject: Border collies rule OK?
In-Reply-To: <d3t0g9+hvcu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d680l1+h26c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> 
> Geoff:
> They are part of my keep fit programme - I cover 4-5 miles every 
day 
> with them
> 
> They answer ro Jodie and Dan and if you'd like to "meet" them,then 
> visit www.aspectsofexmoor.com and look at the "About me" page.... 
> 
> It's the lower picture you want. :-)


Griffin782002 now:

I have a Siberian Husky myself, although she is not with right now. I 
am in Wales where I study and she is in Athens, Greece, with the rest 
of my family. She can be rather naughty sometimes, but she is a 
lovely creature, friendly with everyone. 
I wish I could take her with me, but she would cause a lot of 
problems having to carry her from Heathrow airport to Aberystwyth and 
back again. But soon I will see her again!!! 





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun May 15 23:58:13 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:58:13 -0400
Subject: Disappointed with _Chronicles of Narnia_
Message-ID: <1a273840050515165824618fe4@mail.gmail.com>

...Well, sort of.  I was under the initial impression the books would
revolve more around a limited set of characters.  I guess I was
expecting something else.

A gal shared both her HP and Narnia audio books (very nice of her) and
I listened to 1-3 for Narnia yesterday and I'm on the fourth. 
However, the third--I'm going at it chronologically--threw me for a
loop because the central characters were a new batch... *again* (not
forgetting some Arabic-ish folks saying 'jolly good' made me go
WTF'eth - bit disorientating).  On top of this, the narrators keep
changing for each book.

I dunno... I guess I like consistency.  Plus, Harper Audio does this
kind of annoying musical chimes between some chapters.  To sum it up,
I rather like the HP audio books better.  Err, I rather like the HP
books better.  Sorry to the Narnia fans. :-\

Dina



From coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com  Mon May 16 00:59:32 2005
From: coolbeans3131 at yahoo.com (coolbeans3131)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 00:59:32 -0000
Subject: Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <d63nem+fvrc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d68r9k+g0h0@eGroups.com>

 "thekrenz"  wrote:
> Tonight I read an interview with Dan Radcliffe that was printed in
> the Weekly Reader.  (There are links to it from TLC and Mugglenet)  
I 
> was really taken aback by something he said when asked about his co-
> stars in the films.  He said he and Emma are like brother and 
sister, 
> but that he doesn't really know Rupert.  

I don't think he meant he didn't know Rupert, I think he meant he 
didn't know how to answer the question about his relationship with 
him.  His answer was that he didn't spend a lot of time with him.  
That doesn't mean they don't like each other.  Dan just confirmed 
something many people had already noticed.  Dan and Emma are closer to 
each other than they are with Rupert.  I'm sure they all get along 
fine.

Joj





From joseph at kirtland.com  Mon May 16 02:35:58 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 02:35:58 -0000
Subject: Disappointed with _Chronicles of Narnia_
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050515165824618fe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d690ue+f1rf@eGroups.com>

Remember that Narnia was written over 50 years ago.  I don't believe
the books were written in chronological order.  I believe "The Lion,
the Witch, and the Wardrobe" was actually written first, but it is not
the first book presented in the collection.

Narnia is certainly different than HP in the fact it really doesn't
take place in this world.  HP is written as though the wizard world
actually exists within the muggle world, and is written to make one
think that such a world actually exists, or could potentially exist.

I've never listened to an audio book.  I'm just finishing up the
Narnia Chronicles now, and should consider purchasing (or checking out
of the library) the audio book version.  

Is there a preference to a UK vs US reader as there is for the HP
audio books?   

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...>
wrote:
> ...Well, sort of.  I was under the initial impression the books would
> revolve more around a limited set of characters.  I guess I was
> expecting something else.
> 
> A gal shared both her HP and Narnia audio books (very nice of her) and
> I listened to 1-3 for Narnia yesterday and I'm on the fourth. 
> However, the third--I'm going at it chronologically--threw me for a
> loop because the central characters were a new batch... *again* (not
> forgetting some Arabic-ish folks saying 'jolly good' made me go
> WTF'eth - bit disorientating).  On top of this, the narrators keep
> changing for each book.
> 
> I dunno... I guess I like consistency.  Plus, Harper Audio does this
> kind of annoying musical chimes between some chapters.  To sum it up,
> I rather like the HP audio books better.  Err, I rather like the HP
> books better.  Sorry to the Narnia fans. :-\
> 
> Dina





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon May 16 04:02:04 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 00:02:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disappointed with _Chronicles of Narnia_
In-Reply-To: <d690ue+f1rf@eGroups.com>
References: <1a273840050515165824618fe4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d690ue+f1rf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005051521026a6a0c9f@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/15/05, Joe Bento <joseph at kirtland.com> wrote:
> Remember that Narnia was written over 50 years ago.  

I'm not forgetting it but I'm rather amused by how all the 'cultures'
have British phrasing... especially after folks Britpick HP fanfic for
Americanisms. {g}


> I don't believe the books were written in chronological order.

They weren't.  The gal suggested I take the books in published order:
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Prince Caspian: The Return to Narnia
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Horse and His Boy
The Magician's Nephew
The Last Battle

But also said many prefer reading them in chronological order:
The Magician's Nephew (read by Kenneth Branagh)
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (Michael York)
The Horse and His Boy (Alex Jennings)
Prince Caspian: The Return to Narnia (Lynn Redgrave)
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Derek Jacobi)
The Silver Chair (Jeremy Northam)
The Last Battle (Patrick Stewart)

> Is there a preference to a UK vs US reader as there is for the HP
> audio books?

Based on the selection, I'd say there isn't a US vs. UK reading. {g} 
She shared all seven of her copies, so I have MP3s of the lot for
'sampling'.

Hmm, actually, now I know why she suggested published order and not
chronological.  I might've liked it better that way because _The Horse
and His Boy_ really threw me for a loop.

Dina



From lady_of_the_greenwood at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 16 09:41:08 2005
From: lady_of_the_greenwood at yahoo.co.uk (Debbie)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:41:08 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat
In-Reply-To: <1116129728.21.38647.m29@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <d69prk+u3k5@eGroups.com>

Hi there try to get in the chat room sunday but said there was no 
one there??? Don't you know any other chat rooms off the board??

                ..............Debbie...........................

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, HPFGU-
OTChatter at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
> 
> Weekly Chat 
> 
> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2005 
> Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 
> 
> Hi, everyone!
> 
> Just a reminder: 
> 
> Drop in to Sunday chat! 
> 
> Start time:
> 11 am Pacific
> 12 pm Mountain
> 1 pm Central
> 2 pm Eastern 
> 7 pm UK time 
> 
> Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
> long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
> chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.
> 
> Hope to see you there!





From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon May 16 12:48:10 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:10 -0000
Subject: My reading has just taken off ...
Message-ID: <d6a4qa+nu1d@eGroups.com>

Haven't posted for well over a week (did you guys even notice?).  The 
reasons I haven't posted is because 
A) my mother in law has been stopping and that meant that ...
B) my 15 yr old son was on an inflatable mattress on our bedroom floor
C) he snores very loudly
D) he's 6 foot and takes up a lot of room on our floor
E) he (with his Nana's blessing) bought an electric guitar + amp 
which ...
F) is taking up even more room and
G) couldn't physically reach the computer for teenage boys, 
inflatable matresses and electric guitars, amps and wires and ...
H) I can't stop reading ...
I finished Shadowmancer - very disappointed with the ending, so then 
I picked up a book "Call me Elizabeth" from ASDA and I read it in a 
day - about a mother of 6 who turns to prostitution to get on top of 
her mounting debts ... a true story and very moving.
Now I am reading "The Time Traveller's Wife" by Audrey Niffenegger - 
Oo it's excellent, I'm about half way through.
So what have I missed?

Sarah xx
(Originally from Leicestershire, then Lincolnshire and now in 
Lancashire - but thinking of emigrating to Alberta in the next decade)





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 16 13:24:22 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:24:22 -0000
Subject: Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <d68r9k+g0h0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6a6u6+j32j@eGroups.com>

Cyndi wrote:
> > Tonight I read an interview with Dan Radcliffe that was printed in
> > the Weekly Reader.  I was really taken aback by something he said 
> > when asked about his co- stars in the films.  He said he and Emma 
> > are like brother and sister, but that he doesn't really know 
> > Rupert. There is something very unsettling about that for me. I 
> > hate that Hermione has so many of Ron's lines in the movies. This 
> > interview makes me think that in the GOF movie we will see more 
> > of "Super" Hermione and less of Ron. Ron is one of my favorite 
> > characters in the book, and it stinks that the movies show him as 
> > merely comic relief. 

Joj: 
> I don't think he meant he didn't know Rupert, I think he meant he 
> didn't know how to answer the question about his relationship with 
> him.  His answer was that he didn't spend a lot of time with him.  
> That doesn't mean they don't like each other.  Dan just confirmed 
> something many people had already noticed.  Dan and Emma are closer 
> to each other than they are with Rupert.  I'm sure they all get 
> along fine.

SSSusan:
I hope Joj is right, because I had the EXACT reaction Cyndi did.  It 
somehow almost stung to hear Dan say that, and I immediately started 
thinking of "Why might this be?"  It doesn't seem to jibe with things 
the trio has said in interviews in the past, so maybe Joj is correct 
in that he meant his "I don't know" as "I don't know how to describe 
it."

Like you, Cyndi, Super!Hermione bugged me to no end in PoA.  It 
wasn't just the lines taken from Ron and given to her, it was also 
the lines & decision-making taken from Harry and given to her.  I 
like Emma Watson -- 'tisn't *her* fault, after all -- but I would 
have preferred to have seen Hermione struggle more, the way she did 
in the book, to have seen Harry be decisive the way he was in the 
book, and to have kept Ron as our source of WW knowledge.

Something I see as a *good* sign for Ron in the GoF movie is that in 
the clips & stills I've seen so far, he seems to be doing a lot of 
BROODING.  And that's good!  In GoF he *should* be brooding.  It'll 
be nice to see him being something other than just, as Cyndi said, 
comic relief & rubber face.

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 16 13:48:02 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:48:02 -0000
Subject: UPDATE from DAN Re: Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <d6a6u6+j32j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6a8ai+kr2b@eGroups.com>

Hey, all.  Lynda at the Movie list just posted the news that Dan sent 
in a response to the fallout from The Weekly Reader inteview.  
Here 'tis, courtesy of The Leaky.

SSSusan


Page from DanRadcliffe.co.uk forwarded a message from Dan Radcliffe 
to us this morning, regarding the interview we posted about last week:

I usually do not make any comment on postings on websites however, I 
have been made aware that a simple answer I gave in an interview to 
Weekly Reader re my relationship with Rupert has sent people into a 
maelstrom of speculation. It has shocked me that the words "I don't 
spend much time with Rupert" has been interpreted in so many grossly 
inaccurate ways. 
FACT: I like Rupert, I get on with Rupert, we are friends and when we 
are on set together we have a good laugh.

We don't spend much time together off set - because there isn't any!? 
Those of you who are familiar with GoF will know that there are many 
scenes in which Ron doesn't appear? Also, I am still at school and 
when I am not on set filming I am in tutoring and when Rupert is not 
needed for filming he is not in the studio. But, we are good friends 
and any suggestion otherwise is wrong.
Dan







From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon May 16 13:50:54 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:50:54 -0000
Subject: Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <d6a6u6+j32j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6a8fu+vcng@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> Cyndi wrote:
> > > Tonight I read an interview with Dan Radcliffe that was printed in
> > > the Weekly Reader.  I was really taken aback by something he said 
> > > when asked about his co- stars in the films.  He said he and Emma 
> > > are like brother and sister, but that he doesn't really know 
> > > Rupert. 
> 
> Something I see as a *good* sign for Ron in the GoF movie is that in 
> the clips & stills I've seen so far, he seems to be doing a lot of 
> BROODING.  And that's good!  In GoF he *should* be brooding.  It'll 
> be nice to see him being something other than just, as Cyndi said, 
> comic relief & rubber face.
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Since when did all teenagers get on?  I have one and he hates someone 
one minute and loves 'em the next.  He is 15, so the same age as Dan, 
and I think this is just par for the course.  I wouldn't read anything 
into it, and anyway what could we do about it?  Its only like finding 
out that Richard Gere and Julia Roberts didn't really live happily ever 
after ... Its all in the acting ...
Sarah xx
Who you all know is British through and through by now 





From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon May 16 13:57:10 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:57:10 -0000
Subject: I. Am. So. Sad. GoF trailer
Message-ID: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com>

I.  Am.  So.  Sad.
I was jumping up and down in my chair and clapping my hands with 
glee ... I'm so excited.  But what's with all the hair?  Harry and Ron 
have turned into Yetis!!!
Sarah xx
(um - British, in Britain, married to a British man and mother of a 
British nearly man)





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon May 16 15:18:59 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:18:59 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I. Am. So. Sad. GoF trailer
References: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN>


 
I.  Am.  So.  Sad.
I was jumping up and down in my chair and clapping my hands with
glee ... I'm so excited.  But what's with all the hair?  Harry and Ron
have turned into Yetis!!!
Sarah xx
(um - British, in Britain, married to a British man and mother of a
British nearly man)
 



What film was it showing before?

K

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From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Mon May 16 15:37:50 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:37:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm Just Plain Confused. Or: ???????????
In-Reply-To: <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN>
References: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com> <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <329e85b295e765af983e669794d1a427@fandm.edu>

Does anyone have any idea what is up with this ????/Peeves stuff?  
Seriously, it's everywhere.  The Leaky Cauldron (not-so) helpfully 
advises us to follow the "clues" . . . *what* clues?

It's sooner than you think?
It's bigger than you think?

So puzzling.

Laura
http://www.livejournal.com/users/laurahuntley




From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Mon May 16 16:06:47 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:06:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The FAQ Poll Has Been Answered.
In-Reply-To: <329e85b295e765af983e669794d1a427@fandm.edu>
References: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com> <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN>
 <329e85b295e765af983e669794d1a427@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <67b2fa7dc7981c3096ca8144d7888b93@fandm.edu>

JKR has given us a rather lengthy answer to the FAQ poll question about 
Neville. ^_^  Go see for yourselves:

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_poll.cfm

I can't decide if this has anything to do with the ???.

Laura (who thinks probably not.)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/laurahuntley




From heidi at heidi8.com  Mon May 16 16:42:27 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:42:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The FAQ Poll Has Been Answered.
In-Reply-To: <67b2fa7dc7981c3096ca8144d7888b93@fandm.edu>
References: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com> <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN> <67b2fa7dc7981c3096ca8144d7888b93@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <1116261757.233E0F7C@bf12.dngr.org>


On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:08 pm, Laura Ingalls Huntley wrote:
> JKR has given us a rather lengthy answer to the FAQ poll question about
> Neville. ^_^  Go see for yourselves:
>
> http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_poll.cfm
>
> I can't decide if this has anything to do with the ???.
>
No, it doesn't.

Heidi, who is privvy to tlc secrets, as a staffer



From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Mon May 16 17:08:48 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:08:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The FAQ Poll Has Been Answered.
In-Reply-To: <1116261757.233E0F7C@bf12.dngr.org>
References: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com> <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN>
 <67b2fa7dc7981c3096ca8144d7888b93@fandm.edu>
 <1116261757.233E0F7C@bf12.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <fb5f35958e686cfcaa703d090db97ef4@fandm.edu>

Laura:
>> JKR has given us a rather lengthy answer to the FAQ poll question 
>> about
>> Neville. ^_^  Go see for yourselves:
>>
>> http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_poll.cfm
>>
>> I can't decide if this has anything to do with the ???.

Heidi wrote:
> No, it doesn't.
>
> Heidi, who is privvy to tlc secrets, as a staffer

Heh.  After all this build-up it had better be *really* good.  At this 
point, I think people are going to be disappointed no matter what 
unless the news is that HBP is 1) coming out *tomorrow*, 2) 300 pages 
longer than we've been told, and/or 3) is actually entitled "The Pillar 
of Storge".  ^_~

I don't suppose you could give us a clue, now, could you?

Laura
http://www.livejournal.com/users/laurahuntley




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon May 16 17:20:19 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The FAQ Poll Has Been Answered.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050516172019.12102.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Laura Ingalls Huntley <lhuntley at fandm.edu> wrote:
> Heh.  After all this build-up it had better be *really* good.  At this 
> point, I think people are going to be disappointed no matter what 
> unless the news is that HBP is 1) coming out *tomorrow*, 2) 300 pages 
> longer than we've been told, and/or 3) is actually entitled "The Pillar 
> of Storge".  ^_~
> 

I, for one, was actually disappointed when it was released that HBP was
not as long as Phoenix.  I was hoping it would be longer!  More meat to
chew on!  :)

MJ

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From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon May 16 18:43:07 2005
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:43:07 EDT
Subject: for HP fanatics over 40
Message-ID: <104.61482d00.2fba43bb@aol.com>

Just wanted to remind folks (as a new book and new movie approach), that I  
have a small, fairly low traffic group for Harry Potter fanatics over 
_40....HPFGUover40 at yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:40....HPFGUover40 at yahoogroups.com) 
 
Susan


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From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon May 16 18:46:53 2005
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:46:53 EDT
Subject: Wrinkle in Time - Albus Dumbledore quote
Message-ID: <1c5.28277174.2fba449d@aol.com>

Has anyone else yet seen the movie Wrinkle in Time? It's really good, and  
for those of you who know/like the work of Madeleine L'Engle there is a  
wonderful interview with her....
 
In the deleted scenes on the dvd, one of the three witches/guardian angels  
says "It is our choices rather than our abilities that define us" (quoting from 
 memory) and then says "Albus Dumbledore!"
 
Really cool,
 
Susan


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From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon May 16 18:57:52 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:57:52 -0000
Subject: I. Am. So. Sad. GoF trailer
In-Reply-To: <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d6aqfg+6st7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
 
> What film was it showing before?
> 
> K
I saw it on www.gobletoffire.com - it took my steam powered computer 
about 30 mins to "buffer" it all, but well worth the wait.
Sarah xx

"so much hair" she mutters to herself in an almost envious manner.

PS JKR has updated her questions abouts the books, and herself too as 
well as FAQs - curiouser and curiouser ...






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Mon May 16 19:08:13 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:08:13 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The FAQ Poll Has Been Answered.
References: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com> <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN> <67b2fa7dc7981c3096ca8144d7888b93@fandm.edu> <1116261757.233E0F7C@bf12.dngr.org> <fb5f35958e686cfcaa703d090db97ef4@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <004601c55a4a$9c826c40$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Laura wrote:

<3) is actually entitled "The Pillar
of Storge".  ^_~>

Why do I keep wanting to call this "The
Pillar of Storage"?

Of course, that title would actually
fit a Harry Potter book in an odd way
as it's a pillar to store something (of
great importance...otherwise it would
be in a box, not a pillar).

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon May 16 19:50:46 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:50:46 -0000
Subject: Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective (imho)
Message-ID: <d6atim+ccb3@eGroups.com>

CNNC Newsround-
Prime Minster Tony Blair has backed the decision to ban hoodies and
baseball caps at a shopping centre in Kent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4540000/newsid_4541800/4541803.stm

It seems in a misguided effort to improve the behavior of teens in the
Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent, the shopping center is banning
wearing Hoodies (hooded sweatshirts) and baseball caps. All this in
order to crack down on bad behaviour and stop kids frightening other
shoppers.

Tell me now, isn't this a classic case of fighting the symptom while
ignoring the problems. Aren't the same trouble-making kids going to go
to the same shopping mall and cause the same problems only wearing
different closes?

Are they really attempting to fix the problem, or are they simply
trying to appease the troubled masses?

Just thought you might like to know.

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon May 16 20:19:20 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:19:20 -0000
Subject: Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <d68r9k+g0h0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6av88+bj26@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "coolbeans3131"
<coolbeans3131 at y...> wrote:
>  "thekrenz"  wrote:
> > Tonight I read an interview with Dan Radcliffe ...  He said he and 
> > Emma are like brother and sister, but that he doesn't really know 
> > Rupert.  

> Joj:
> 
> I don't think he meant he didn't know Rupert, ...His answer was that 
> he didn't spend a lot of time with him. ... That doesn't mean they
> don't like each other. Dan just confirmed ...(that)...  Dan and Emma 
> are closer to each other than they are with Rupert. I'm sure they 
> all get along fine.
> 
> Joj


bboyminn:

I'm not sure where Emma lives, but Dan lives in London and Rupert
lives north of London outside the motorway (M25) that encircles
London's metropolitan area. In terms of actually miles that's not that
far away, but in terms of London's traffic, it's probably a long drive
into the city. In addition, in his new home town, I'm sure Rupert has
his own circle of friends that he hangs out with.

Now couple that with the fact that when they are on the movie set they
are either working or in school. So, this is a job not play time or a
party. There are lines to learn, scenes to play, plus school subjects
that must be mastered, and a job that must be done. I'm sure they have
a great time while they are there, but at the same time, they get
there early and leave late and I'm sure they are exhausted at the end
of the day. Goblet of Fire was probably a pretty grueling movie to
shoot, give all the action, the underwater scenes, etc....
 
So, just like us, when we leave our job at the end of the day, we go
back to our own private lives. While we would like to picture them
hanging out together going to concerts, cafes, and shopping centers,
they do have their own individual separate lives.

On a tangental note, I do agree with others that Ron/Rupert's part in
the movies has been completely distorted. Other promenent actor who
have worked with the group have said that Rupert probably has the best
chance of a long term career in acting, especially in the area of
comedy. So I think Rupert is just as if not more capable of carrying
the lines and scenes that were given to Super!Hermione. 

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Mon May 16 20:46:13 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:46:13 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective (imho)
References: <d6atim+ccb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42890695.000001.01956@KATHRYN>

 
Steve/bboyminn
It seems in a misguided effort to improve the behavior of teens in the
Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent, the shopping center is banning
wearing Hoodies (hooded sweatshirts) and baseball caps. All this in
order to crack down on bad behaviour and stop kids frightening other
shoppers.
 
Tell me now, isn't this a classic case of fighting the symptom while
ignoring the problems. Aren't the same trouble-making kids going to go
to the same shopping mall and cause the same problems only wearing
different closes?
 
Are they really attempting to fix the problem, or are they simply
trying to appease the troubled masses?
 
K

Apparently the reasoning is not the (somewhat) logical reason that these
clothing items can be used to help obscure identities when kids are caught
on cctv while misbehaving but rather because other shoppers (ie middle-class
Daily Mail readers) find groups of kids wearing hoodies to be frightening
*whether they are doing anything wrong or not*. So the shopping centre and
now Blair are condoning the idea that you can tell someone is a troublemaker
just by their appearance. So what happens when the shopping centre realises
that the same group of people find groups of people wearing muslim dress
threatening - would they still think that banning certain clothing items is
a good idea?

The stupid thing is I've been to Blue Water and frankly it is overendowed
with cctv and security guards. If they want to get rid of the specific kids
causing trouble I think they could, but this is the sort of idea that will
get them publicity and make them popular with the tabloids so this is the
route they choose, not to mention of course it's probably a lot less work
for them than actually trying to solve the problem. My point is somewhat
backed up by the fact that either the Express or the Mirror (my dad buys
both, one for the crossword and one to put down for the dog to mess on) is
now starting a campaign to ban hoodies from High Streets everywhere.

It's enough to make me want to go out and buy one!

K

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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 00:48:38 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective (imho)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050517004838.9618.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com>

Steve:
CNNC Newsround-
Prime Minster Tony Blair has backed the decision to ban hoodies and
baseball caps at a shopping centre in Kent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4540000/newsid_4541800/4541803.stm

It seems in a misguided effort to improve the behavior of teens in the
Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent, the shopping center is banning
wearing Hoodies (hooded sweatshirts) and baseball caps. All this in
order to crack down on bad behaviour and stop kids frightening other
shoppers.

Tell me now, isn't this a classic case of fighting the symptom while
ignoring the problems. Aren't the same trouble-making kids going to go
to the same shopping mall and cause the same problems only wearing
different closes?

Are they really attempting to fix the problem, or are they simply
trying to appease the troubled masses?

Kemper:
They're trying to appease the old or the old-at-heart troubled masses.
 
 

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From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 00:49:07 2005
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:49:07 -0000
Subject: Weekly Reader Interview
In-Reply-To: <d6av88+bj26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6bf23+m0bd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "coolbeans3131"
> <coolbeans3131 at y...> wrote:
> >  "thekrenz"  wrote:
> > > Tonight I read an interview with Dan Radcliffe ...  He said he 
and 
> > > Emma are like brother and sister, but that he doesn't really 
know 
> > > Rupert.  
> 
> > Joj:
> > 
> > I don't think he meant he didn't know Rupert, ...His answer was 
that 
> > he didn't spend a lot of time with him. ... That doesn't mean they
> > don't like each other. Dan just confirmed ...(that)...  Dan and 
Emma 
> > are closer to each other than they are with Rupert. I'm sure they 
> > all get along fine.
> > 
> > Joj
> 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I'm not sure where Emma lives, but Dan lives in London and Rupert
> lives north of London outside the motorway (M25) that encircles
> London's metropolitan area. In terms of actually miles that's not 
that
> far away, but in terms of London's traffic, it's probably a long 
drive
> into the city. In addition, in his new home town, I'm sure Rupert 
has
> his own circle of friends that he hangs out with.
> 
> Now couple that with the fact that when they are on the movie set 
they
> are either working or in school. So, this is a job not play time or 
a
> party. There are lines to learn, scenes to play, plus school 
subjects
> that must be mastered, and a job that must be done. I'm sure they 
have
> a great time while they are there, but at the same time, they get
> there early and leave late and I'm sure they are exhausted at the 
end
> of the day. Goblet of Fire was probably a pretty grueling movie to
> shoot, give all the action, the underwater scenes, etc....
>  
> So, just like us, when we leave our job at the end of the day, we go
> back to our own private lives. While we would like to picture them
> hanging out together going to concerts, cafes, and shopping centers,
> they do have their own individual separate lives.
> 
> On a tangental note, I do agree with others that Ron/Rupert's part 
in
> the movies has been completely distorted. Other promenent actor who
> have worked with the group have said that Rupert probably has the 
best
> chance of a long term career in acting, especially in the area of
> comedy. So I think Rupert is just as if not more capable of carrying
> the lines and scenes that were given to Super!Hermione. 
> 
> Just a few thoughts.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Cyndi tries again:
I think I may have started something that was not at all the 
intention of my post.  The unsettling thing about Dan and Rupert 
not "knowing" each other has everything to do with the movie and 
nothing to do with Dan and Rupert as people.  All I intended was to 
express my concern that the screenwriters have altered the story 
lines of SS, CoS, PoA, and now GoF so much that Ron's role had been 
belittled.  That is what I meant.  Sorry to cause a stir.
Cyndi
~~slinking back into lurkdom~~~






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 00:59:55 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:59:55 -0000
Subject: Insgiht into the Writer's Mind
Message-ID: <d6bfmb+5fv7@eGroups.com>

I was trying to find out when the sequel to Eragon which is the first
book in the Inheritance Trilogy came out. The second book by the way
is 'Eldest' and should come out in the fall. On the Random
House/Eragon website is a transcript of a casual discussion between
Philip Pullman, Tamora Pierce, and Christopher Paolin.

It's just three authors of fantasy discussing the nature of writing
and it is very insightful.

I highly recommend it to everyone.

"Philip Pullman, Tamora Pierce, and Christopher Paolini Talk Fantasy
Fiction"
By Dave Weich, Powells.com

http://www.randomhouse.com/teens/eragon/news_interview.htm

Here is a small sample-

Pullman:
"It's always seemed to me that this is what literature does: it is a
kind of school of morals. Just as you were saying about readers
learning about what it's like to be honorable, they can also learn
through literature what it's like to be cowardly and see the
consequences of that. And see what it is like to be a murderer, and to
feel what that is like. It is a kind of place where moral conundrums,
moral dilemmas, moral puzzles are acted out. Where moral solutions are
found. It's a safe place where this can happen, but it's also a very
truthful place. And it's a place where we can suffer in absentia, as
it were, by proxy ? we can suffer, we can learn, we can grow by proxy,
whether it is a great issue of life and death or whether it is, ..."

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue May 17 02:31:14 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:31:14 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weekly Reader Interview
Message-ID: <b7.5805fd6c.2fbab172@aol.com>

Please go to DanRadcliffe.com to Dan's response to this interview.  It  is 
clear that it is being blown way out of proportion and is unsettling to  him.  
There is also a response on Mugglenet.com
 


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 04:23:34 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:23:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Anyone from Atlanta?
Message-ID: <20050517042335.35409.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com>

I'll be passing through Atlanta about 24 hours into a
57 hour bus ride home from San Antonio. If any kind
person in the vicinity of the Atlanta bus station has
time to spare on Friday around noon and can supply a
weary traveller with something that provides an
alternative to bus station food, or even just a nice
cold drink, you would certainly have my undying
gratitude. Anyone who just wants to help me kill time
during the stopover, that would also be much
appreciated. 

Seriously, I'm in Atlanta from about noon - 1:15 pm on
Friday, travel delays not considered, and would love a
little company if anyone lives in the vicinity.

Sheryll, sadly, still popping into her inbox regularly
while on vacation

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From joseph at kirtland.com  Tue May 17 05:03:43 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:03:43 -0000
Subject: Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective (imho)
In-Reply-To: <20050517004838.9618.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d6btvf+4arq@eGroups.com>

Is it really any different than the banning of certain articles of
clothing from many of our American schools?  Certain team logo ball
caps, jerseys, jumpers, etc are prohibited in varying degrees at
different school districts because such clothing often carries gang
connotations.

I've heard of shopping malls here in the states where security will
escort large congragations (often as few as three or four) of teens
out of the mall, or ask them to disperse.  Wearing of gang-related
clothing can get one permanently banned from the mall.

Personally, I like hoddies, and I'm 41 years old!  However, I think of
them as a cool Autumn evening or Winter form of dress.  Not exactly
something I want to wear in the summer.


Joe




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> Steve:
> CNNC Newsround-
> Prime Minster Tony Blair has backed the decision to ban hoodies and
> baseball caps at a shopping centre in Kent.
> 
>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4540000/newsid_4541800/4541803.stm
> 
> It seems in a misguided effort to improve the behavior of teens in the
> Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent, the shopping center is banning
> wearing Hoodies (hooded sweatshirts) and baseball caps. All this in
> order to crack down on bad behaviour and stop kids frightening other
> shoppers.
> 
> Tell me now, isn't this a classic case of fighting the symptom while
> ignoring the problems. Aren't the same trouble-making kids going to go
> to the same shopping mall and cause the same problems only wearing
> different closes?
> 
> Are they really attempting to fix the problem, or are they simply
> trying to appease the troubled masses?
> 
> Kemper:
> They're trying to appease the old or the old-at-heart troubled masses.
>  
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From marilynpeake at cs.com  Tue May 17 05:36:25 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:36:25 -0000
Subject: Wrinkle in Time - Albus Dumbledore quote
In-Reply-To: <1c5.28277174.2fba449d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d6bvsp+95jp@eGroups.com>

Hi, Susan,

That's really cool!  I just finished reading A WRINKLE IN TIME two 
days ago.  I'll have to get the DVD.  Thanks!

Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
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http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Schlobin at a... wrote:
> Has anyone else yet seen the movie Wrinkle in Time? It's really 
good, and  
> for those of you who know/like the work of Madeleine L'Engle there 
is a  
> wonderful interview with her....
>  
> In the deleted scenes on the dvd, one of the three witches/guardian 
angels  
> says "It is our choices rather than our abilities that define us" 
(quoting from 
>  memory) and then says "Albus Dumbledore!"
>  
> Really cool,
>  
> Susan






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 11:10:40 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anyone from Atlanta?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050517111041.66027.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

I live about half an hour west of Atlanta and work about 15 minutes north of Atlanta.  Let me check my schedule and see what I can do.  I think that I work that day but let me double check my schedule (I work a wierd rotating shift as our lab runs 24/7).
 
moonmyyst

Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'll be passing through Atlanta about 24 hours into a
57 hour bus ride home from San Antonio. If any kind
person in the vicinity of the Atlanta bus station has
time to spare on Friday around noon and can supply a
weary traveller with something that provides an
alternative to bus station food, or even just a nice
cold drink, you would certainly have my undying
gratitude. Anyone who just wants to help me kill time
during the stopover, that would also be much
appreciated. 

Seriously, I'm in Atlanta from about noon - 1:15 pm on
Friday, travel delays not considered, and would love a
little company if anyone lives in the vicinity.

Sheryll, sadly, still popping into her inbox regularly
while on vacation

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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 11:37:21 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I. Am. So. Sad. GoF trailer
In-Reply-To: 6667
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I, personally, love long hair.  My son just recently had his hair cut.  (He is 19) His hair was long enough to sit on.  He donated it to "Locks of Love"  (a foundation that makes wigs for kids with cancer and undergoing treatment).  
I think both boys are as cute (and yes - hot!!) as they can be!!  
 
 
 
Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:
I.  Am.  So.  Sad.
I was jumping up and down in my chair and clapping my hands with 
glee ... I'm so excited.  But what's with all the hair?  Harry and Ron 
have turned into Yetis!!!
Sarah xx
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue May 17 12:15:47 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:15:47 -0000
Subject: I. Am. So. Sad. GoF trailer
In-Reply-To: <20050517113722.12484.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d6cn9j+dqqc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> I, personally, love long hair.  My son just recently had his hair 
cut.  (He is 19) His hair was long enough to sit on.  He donated it 
to "Locks of Love"  (a foundation that makes wigs for kids with 
cancer and undergoing treatment).  
> I think both boys are as cute (and yes - hot!!) as they can be!!  
>  
I never said I didn't like long hair.  The idea of threading my 
fingers through Sirius Black's silken locks when it has just been 
washed ... (sorry - overtaken by a wild fantasy there).
Its just that there's just so much of it and its all so ... messy.  I 
know, I know, Harry's hair is meant to be messy and untamable, but 
does it have to be so big?  It was the thing that struck me, that's 
all.  Oh and another thing Harry looks to be wearing tinted glasses 
too.  I'm hoping it's just a trick of the light and there isn't a 
strange 70s homage going on!  He'll be having a bubble perm and 
wearing a medallion next.  YUK!

Sarah xx
(Whose husband sports a number two cut that feels like velvet when 
stroked the wrong way  Mmmm)





From gbannister10 at aol.com  Tue May 17 20:34:13 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:13 -0000
Subject: Disappointed with _Chronicles of Narnia_
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005051521026a6a0c9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6dkg5+d5b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:

Joe Bento wrote:

> > I don't believe the books were written in chronological order.

Dina: 
> They weren't.  The gal suggested I take the books in published 
order:
> The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
> Prince Caspian: The Return to Narnia
> The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
> The Silver Chair
> The Horse and His Boy
> The Magician's Nephew
> The Last Battle

Geoff:
They were published at yearly intervals form 1950 to 1956. [JKR 
please note!! :-(]

I first read them about 40 years ago largely in chronological order 
except for "The Horse and his Boy" which I read later.

Interestingly, your use of the title "Prince Caspian: the return to 
Narnia" is the first time I have ever seen it referred to like that. 
The first four books (in chronological order) had subtitles. Books 
1,3 & 4 were subtitled "A Story for Children" while Book 2 was "The 
Return to Narnia". An English reader certainly doesn't refer to the 
second book by this rather unwieldy way and it doesn't appear like 
that on the front cover.

Dina:
> Hmm, actually, now I know why she suggested published order and not
> chronological.  I might've liked it better that way because _The 
Horse
> and His Boy_ really threw me for a loop.

Geoff:
To be quite frank, I have never taken to "The Horse and his Boy". It 
really doesn't fit into the main story stream and I usually tend to 
leave it out when I occasionally go through the series again.

I often draw people's attention to the closing chapters of "The Last 
Battle" as one of the most fascinating descriptions of heaven I know. 
And also to the dwarves as an example to be avoided. They have closed 
their eyes and minds to the truth for so long that they are totally 
unable to see it even hen it is in front of them.....

If you haven't read them, have a shot - but leave out THAHB at least 
the first time round.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 20:43:08 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:43:08 -0000
Subject: Other books- The Book of Three - Chronicles of Prydain
In-Reply-To: <d5qiu1+cv7c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6dl0s+np2g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "xcpublishing"
<xcpublishing at y...> wrote:
> Steve, thanks for the listing of other "kids" books. I recently read 
> Artemis Fowl and it was fabulous - very intelligently written with 
> more adult concepts than many adult books I've read.  ...  I also 
> want to recommend "The Book of Three" by Lloyd  Alexander. I read it 
> over the weekend and can't wait to grab the rest of the series.  
> ...edited...
> 
> Nicky Joe

bboyminn:

For those who don't know 'The Book of Three' by Lloyd  Alexander is
part of the "Chronicles of Prydain" which includes -

- The Book of Three
- The Black Cauldron
- Castle of Llyr
- Taran Wanderer
- The High King

(To the best of my knowledge, listed in order.)

'The Book of Three' was copyrighted in 1964, so the series is quite
old, and all books are available in paperback and most likely in most
libraries. All are available in audio editions.

On Amazon.com 'The Book of Three' has 197 reader reviews with an
average rating of 4.5 stars out of 5. All very positive and strong
reviews. 'The Black Cauldron' has 89 review with an average of 5 stars.

Example:

(5 Stars)"There are books that you don't want to see come to an end.
... There are books that rattle in your brain, heart and soul, and
stay with you, never to be forgotten. ... Lloyd Alexander's
magnificent series falls into these categories. ...This series was the
first that I did not want to see end. " [P.J.M, Stamford, CT first
read at age 13, reread at age 35]

(5 Stars) "Lloyd Alexander's fantastic five-part Chronicles of Prydain
begins with "The Book of Three", which is required reading for anyone
who considers themselves a fantasy fan and/or a lover of children's
literature - or in fact anyone who love a darn good book. ...It sounds
like a standard fantasy-fare, but Alexander infuses his work with
delightful humour and wit, the afore mentioned shadow of Welsh
legends, and colourful characters that are instantly taken to heart.
Furthermore, he often puts more emphasis on the everyday vices and
struggles of mankind rather than the more epic figures of good and
evil, making the books more intimate and personal." [R.M.F. - New
Zealand - Adult reviewer]

WOW! Those are some pretty seriously strong recommendations, and all
the reviews continued along the same lines. Remember the average of
197 reviews was 4.5 Stars out of 5.

I'm wondering if others here have read these books, and if you too
would give them the same high recommendation? I think I can trust the
opinions of this group more than I can random strangers posting at
Amazon.com.

As a side note, and somewhat of a complain about both publishing
companies and Amazon, it's not always clear what order the books fit
in the series. I was, long ago, interested in reading the Harry Potter
Series (three published at the time) but wasn't sure which book was
first and in what order they were published, so I put it off until one
day in a book story, I found an HP paperback that listed the books in
order. Since then I've seen other series that I might be interested
in, like Artemis Fowl, but couldn't determine the proper order to read
them. Just a little something that annoys me.

Back to "Chronicles of Prydain", it seems odd that there could be such
an outstanding and highly recommended, as well as old, series of books
that I've never heard of.

I'm open to any opinions on this series.

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 20:54:40 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:54:40 -0000
Subject: Other books: Nicky Joe - to name two...
In-Reply-To: <d62rmr+9j2v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6dlmg+d3h6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Collins"
<sandra87b at y...> wrote:

> Hi Nicky Joe,
> I've been expounding at length on another site about those kids 
> books which cross over into the adult world by being far deeper, 
> intelligent and funnier than you'd ever expect. I have two books, 
> one of which is my all time favourite, to recommend, and 
> hopefully someone (anyone!) might give either of them a go. 
> ...edited..
>
> The Guardian Of Time 
>
> The Odessa Stone 
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Sandra (hoping someone knows them)

bboyminn:

Could you give me the author of "The Guardian of Time" and is it part
of a series?

I looked it up on Amazon.com, and it seems several authors have seized
the 'guardian of time' concept and used it in titles.

Thanks for the recommendations.

Steve/boyminn





From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 21:03:54 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:03:54 -0000
Subject: Ordering Eragon (was Insgiht into the Writer's Mind)
In-Reply-To: <d6bfmb+5fv7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6dm7q+b2od@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> I was trying to find out when the sequel to Eragon which is the 
first book in the Inheritance Trilogy came out. The second book by 
the way is 'Eldest' and should come out in the fall. >Snip< 
> Just passing it along.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

*****\(@@)/*****

You can preorder Eragon on Amazon! It should come out August 23, 
2005. I found it accidently a good while back last August when I was 
looking up some books and preordered it then. Since then I have been 
learning the meaning of patience in all the waiting for the Harry 
Potter books and the Eragon books! I really enjoyed the first book 
and think Christopher Paolini has a lot of promise as a young 
author. I am hoping the Eldest will show his growing maturity in his 
craft! 

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed May 18 00:10:03 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:10:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disappointed with _Chronicles of Narnia_
In-Reply-To: <d6dkg5+d5b@eGroups.com>
References: <1a27384005051521026a6a0c9f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d6dkg5+d5b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005051717104fc0c3fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/17/05, Geoff Bannister <gbannister10 at aol.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret 

> They were published at yearly intervals form 1950 to 1956. [JKR
> please note!! :-(]

As much as it would've fit the HP timeline to have them released only
a year apart... if this had been done, I wouldn't have experienced the
anticipation for upcoming book*s* since I got into the fandom around
June 2003. :-\

Though, I do admit it was rather nice to just zoom through HP books
1-5 with each being 'new' to me!


> Interestingly, your use of the title "Prince Caspian: the return to
> Narnia" is the first time I have ever seen it referred to like that.
> The first four books (in chronological order) had subtitles. Books
> 1,3 & 4 were subtitled "A Story for Children" while Book 2 was "The
> Return to Narnia". An English reader certainly doesn't refer to the
> second book by this rather unwieldy way and it doesn't appear like
> that on the front cover.

It was a compromise on the title since the audio book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060564407/103-3389969-5053440
had _Prince Caspian_ on the cover and I was never really familiar with
the series (other than the first published book).


> To be quite frank, I have never taken to "The Horse and his Boy". It
> really doesn't fit into the main story stream and I usually tend to
> leave it out when I occasionally go through the series again.

Aye, I was so... perplexed by THAHB that I wasn't sure if I wanted to
go through the rest.  However, _Return to Narnia_ did pick-up my
waning interest.


> I often draw people's attention to the closing chapters of "The Last
> Battle" as one of the most fascinating descriptions of heaven I know.
> And also to the dwarves as an example to be avoided. They have closed
> their eyes and minds to the truth for so long that they are totally
> unable to see it even hen it is in front of them.....

Hm, Return does bring up how much skepticism the dwarves have
adopted...  I'm still on _Voyage of the Dawn Treader_. :-)


> If you haven't read them, have a shot - but leave out THAHB at least
> the first time round.

Agreed.

Dina



From ginny343 at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 02:09:55 2005
From: ginny343 at yahoo.com (ginny343)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:09:55 -0000
Subject: Reading Order? (was:Disappointed with _Chronicles of Narnia_)
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005051521026a6a0c9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6e85j+v0je@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
snip
> 
> 
> > I don't believe the books were written in chronological order.
> 
> They weren't.  The gal suggested I take the books in published 
order:
> The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
> Prince Caspian: The Return to Narnia
> The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
> The Silver Chair
> The Horse and His Boy
> The Magician's Nephew
> The Last Battle
> 
> But also said many prefer reading them in chronological order:
> The Magician's Nephew (read by Kenneth Branagh)
> The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (Michael York)
> The Horse and His Boy (Alex Jennings)
> Prince Caspian: The Return to Narnia (Lynn Redgrave)
> The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Derek Jacobi)
> The Silver Chair (Jeremy Northam)
> The Last Battle (Patrick Stewart)
> 
> > > 
> Dina


   I am sorry that the audio books have given such a bad impression 
of this wonderful series.  I remember reading these books as a kid 
and loving them.  (Given, some are better than others.)  In the past 
few years, I have gone back to reread some of them.
   I want to comment on the reading order of the books.  I read them 
in the order they were published.  When I got to book 6, I had a 
great surprise.  It is the back story of Narnia and I loved it!  
However, I don't think I would have enjoyed it nearly so much if I 
had read it before all the other books.  There is just something 
magical in itself about feeling part of this world and then learning 
it's history.  Unfortunately, every time I see the series now, The 
Magician's Nephew (book 6) is put first, considered book 1, because 
of the chronological order.  This bothers me.  Whenever I have the 
chance, mostly with my students, I always suggest to read that book 
later, after some of the others.  (I mean, would the back story we 
get pieces of in HP be as interesting if they were all laid out for 
us in a book we read before SS/PS?  Well, maybe some would say 
yes.)  Anyway, I am interested to hear about this from another 
perspective.  If anyone has read these books in chronological order 
and feels that is the best way for them to be presented, I would be 
very interested to hear why.  

Ginny343






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed May 18 03:42:20 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:42:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Reading Order? (was:Disappointed with _Chronicles of Narnia_)
In-Reply-To: <d6e85j+v0je@eGroups.com>
References: <1a27384005051521026a6a0c9f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <d6e85j+v0je@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050517204273567593@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/17/05, ginny343 <ginny343 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>    I am sorry that the audio books have given such a bad impression
> of this wonderful series.

Just a quick clarification: The audio books aren't bad; the order,
chronological, I read them in for a 'newbie' wasn't good.

Possibly it's also writing style where the author is trying to make
the reader... a sort of participant.  I remember generally liking _The
Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ as a kid but that was the extent of
my familiarity with Narnia.  Err, back then, I went through the 'horse
phase' where I read almost all the Black Stallion series back in the
1980s and all of Dick Francis's mystery books that were published and
available at the library.   My only HP fanfic (so far) is named after
a Dick Francis book.

Dina



From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed May 18 04:33:50 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:33:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Reading Order? (was:Disappointed with _Chronicles of
 Narnia_)
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050517204273567593@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a27384005051521026a6a0c9f@mail.gmail.com>
 <d6e85j+v0je@eGroups.com> <1a273840050517204273567593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7962a4cf406f0337538b630f1f0d55a@fandm.edu>

Dina:
> Possibly it's also writing style where the author is trying to make
> the reader... a sort of participant.  I remember generally liking _The
> Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ as a kid but that was the extent of
> my familiarity with Narnia.  Err, back then, I went through the 'horse
> phase' where I read almost all the Black Stallion series back in the
> 1980s . . .

The Black Stallion is my literary boyfriend! ^_~

I *still* read those books when I'm in need of an emotional stabilizer. 
  Heh, instead of "comfort food", I guess I have "comfort literature".

Laura
http://www.livejournal.com/users/laurahuntley




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 04:35:08 2005
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:35:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anyone from Atlanta?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050518043508.87215.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>


--- K G <moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I live about half an hour west of Atlanta and work
> about 15 minutes north of Atlanta.  Let me check my
> schedule and see what I can do.  I think that I work
> that day but let me double check my schedule (I work
> a wierd rotating shift as our lab runs 24/7).
>  
> moonmyyst
> 

Awesome! I've just double-checked my printed itinerary
and it has me arriving in Atlanta at one minute before
noon, departing at 1:15 pm. I'll keep my fingers
crossed that you're available. I'll be able to check
email right up until Thursday morning. Will offlist
you with my cell # in case it becomes a last minute
thing. :)

Sheryll, who loves meeting fellow HPFGU-ers 

______________________________________________________________________ 
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 05:41:39 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:41:39 -0000
Subject: Ordering Eragon (was Insgiht into the Writer's Mind)
In-Reply-To: <d6dm7q+b2od@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6ekij+iova@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dudemom_2000"
<dudemom_2000 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
> wrote:
> > I was trying to find out when the sequel to Eragon which is the 
> first book in the Inheritance Trilogy came out. The second book by 
> the way is 'Eldest' and should come out in the fall. >Snip< 
> > Just passing it along.
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn


> DudeMom2000:*****\(@@)/*****
> 
> You can preorder Eragon on Amazon! It should come out August 23, 
> 2005. ... ... I have been learning the meaning of patience .. 
> waiting for the Harry Potter books and the Eragon books! I really 
> enjoyed the first book and think Christopher Paolini has a lot of 
> promise as a young author. I am hoping the Eldest will show his 
> growing maturity in his craft! 
> 
> Dudemom_2000

bboyminn:

My wording was kind of convoluted, although I think my meaning came
across. I've actually read 'Eragon' twice, and now have the Audio
version on order from the local library. The first time I read Eragon
non-stop, I simply could not put it down. I read myself to the point
of exhaustion, I missed meals, skipped sleep; it was that good. the
second time, I intended a leisurely read, a chapter or so every night
before bed, but instead I read it through over the course of a recent
rainy week. (which by the way is exactly what I do when a new HP book
comes out)

Now, I am just dying to read the next book "Eldest". I've been looking
everywhere in stores and on-line but no one can confirm the release
date. The best I could find was that it should be release in the fall.
The book is fully written and has been submitted to the editors, so
it's just a matter of refining it and getting it in print.

There is some special charm about Harry Potter, I can't really explain
it, but I feel like I'm living the adventures right along side Harry,
Hermione, and Ron, and those characters are very endearing. While
Eragon is very captivating, I don't feel that same special HP charm.
Still, it's an exiting, ingenious, adventurous, action pack,
thrill-a-minute book with a lot of heart, and Paolini has done an
excellent job of creating his own unique universe. There are
interesting characters on every page, and across the book there are a
lot of them, but only a few at a time, so it's not that hard to keep
track. 

If you haven't read the conversation with the authors that I
referenced in my original post, you should, it very interesting, and
there is some insight into how Paolini approached the second book.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 07:59:20 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:59:20 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
Message-ID: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>

We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to give
so many of then their own newspaper column.

Here is a comment on the release of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood
Prince' at some website called 'Hecklerspray'. Maybe the guy is just
trying to be funny, or maybe this 'mad' critic /thing/ is his schtick.
Regardless, it's a little mean spirited. Although, he does manage to
include all the relevant information in his mad rantings.

http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/05/harry_potter_hy.html

See for yourself.


Steve/bboyminn





From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Wed May 18 12:32:01 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:32:01 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Other books- The Book of Three - Chronicles of Prydain
In-Reply-To: <d6dl0s+np2g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPOEHGCKAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>


Steve .. asked about The Book of Three" etc  by Lloyd  Alexander.

I'm wondering if others here have read these books, and if you too
would give them the same high recommendation? I think I can trust the
opinions of this group more than I can random strangers posting at
Amazon.com.

Steve, it's too late to be locqatious, Great books. Love them. Own them.
Re-read them regularly. Go. Get. Read.

storm
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From joseph at kirtland.com  Wed May 18 13:10:25 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:10:25 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6fes1+10cbt@eGroups.com>



Yes, a rather nasty column.  I suppose we mature adults would be far 
better spending our time with all the intelligent TV programming.  I 
mean, c'mon, Survivor, Trading Housewives (or whatever it's called), 
Jerry Springer, etc.  Yes, I see I have far better things to do with 
my time than enjoy reading about a boy wizard.

Joe


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to give
> so many of then their own newspaper column.
> 
> Here is a comment on the release of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood
> Prince' at some website called 'Hecklerspray'. Maybe the guy is just
> trying to be funny, or maybe this 'mad' critic /thing/ is his 
schtick.
> Regardless, it's a little mean spirited. Although, he does manage to
> include all the relevant information in his mad rantings.
> 
> http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/05/harry_potter_hy.html
> 
> See for yourself.
> 
> 
> Steve/bboyminn





From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Wed May 18 16:47:59 2005
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:47:59 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6frjv+tk8q@eGroups.com>

He's just ticked because that great novel he's written has more 
rejection slips than pages to his book. He's trying to make a name for 
himself by being the "shock-jock" of his own little web paper.

Casey


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to give
> so many of then their own newspaper column.
> 
> Here is a comment on the release of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood
> Prince' at some website called 'Hecklerspray'. Maybe the guy is just
> trying to be funny, or maybe this 'mad' critic /thing/ is his 
schtick.
> Regardless, it's a little mean spirited. Although, he does manage to
> include all the relevant information in his mad rantings.
> 
> http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/05/harry_potter_hy.html
> 
> See for yourself.
> 
> 
> Steve/bboyminn





From phil at pcsgames.net  Wed May 18 17:26:37 2005
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:26:37 -0400
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
References: <d6a8rm+adcn@eGroups.com> <4288B9E3.000001.01536@KATHRYN> <67b2fa7dc7981c3096ca8144d7888b93@fandm.edu> <1116261757.233E0F7C@bf12.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <002601c55bce$ca3bbb70$6600a8c0@phil>

Hi folks,
I have been trying to find how dimensions are described in the Potterverse.
In my American edition it reads:
Neville was rising straight up like a cork shot out of a bottle--twelve
feet--twenty feet.
I noticed a web site quoting the British edition as:
Neville was rising straight up like a cork shot out of a bottle - four
metres - eight metres!
But when I looked on The Harry Potter Lexicon
British/US Editions section I get:
from Goblet of Fire
American: twenty feet high
British: twenty-foot-high
from Order of the Phoenix:
American: notes stacked three-and-a-half feet high
British: three-and-a-half-feet-high stack of notes
So is the British measurements in feet or metres?

Phil










From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 19:08:58 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:08:58 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6g3sa+a7u9@eGroups.com>

"Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to give
so many of then their own newspaper column.


Alla:

LOL! Too funny and very true, Steve.


Steve: 
Here is a comment on the release of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood
Prince' at some website called 'Hecklerspray'. Maybe the guy is just
trying to be funny, or maybe this 'mad' critic /thing/ is his
schtick.Regardless, it's a little mean spirited. Although, he does 
manage to include all the relevant information in his mad rantings.
> 
> http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/05/harry_potter_hy.html
> 
> See for yourself.

Alla:

You know, I would really really insist that anybody can say anything 
he/she wants about Harry Potter series, as long as he/she has read
the 
e series AND could manage to say so without personal attacks.

This person obviously managed not to do either ( although you are 
correct) he/she at least got the information about the release right.
 Yep, mean spirited and not funny.

Alla,

the Puppy faced adult, who does care. :-)







From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 21:46:19 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:46:19 -0000
Subject: Ordering Eragon (was Insgiht into the Writer's Mind)
In-Reply-To: <d6ekij+iova@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6gd3b+tmi2@eGroups.com>

Reference messages 27262, 27273 and 27279
 

> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> My wording was kind of convoluted, although I think my meaning came
> across. I've actually read 'Eragon' twice, and now have the Audio
> version on order from the local library. The first time I read 
Eragon non-stop, I simply could not put it down. I read myself to 
the point of exhaustion, I missed meals, skipped sleep; it was that 
good. the second time, I intended a leisurely read, a chapter or so 
every night before bed, but instead I read it through over the 
course of a recent rainy week. (which by the way is exactly what I 
do when a new HP book comes out)
> 
> Now, I am just dying to read the next book "Eldest". I've been 
looking everywhere in stores and on-line but no one can confirm the 
release date. The best I could find was that it should be release in 
the fall. 
> The book is fully written and has been submitted to the editors, so
> it's just a matter of refining it and getting it in print.
> 
> There is some special charm about Harry Potter, I can't really 
explain it, but I feel like I'm living the adventures right along 
side Harry, Hermione, and Ron, and those characters are very 
endearing. While Eragon is very captivating, I don't feel that same 
special HP charm.
> Still, it's an exiting, ingenious, adventurous, action pack,
> thrill-a-minute book with a lot of heart, and Paolini has done an
> excellent job of creating his own unique universe. There are
> interesting characters on every page, and across the book there 
are a lot of them, but only a few at a time, so it's not that hard 
to keep track. 
> 
> If you haven't read the conversation with the authors that I
> referenced in my original post, you should, it very interesting, 
and there is some insight into how Paolini approached the second 
book.
> 
> Just a few thoughts.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

*****\(@@)/*****

For those interested in finding The Eldest on Amazon here is the 
link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/037582670X/qid=1116451834/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-3090719-8038349?
v=glance&s=books&n=507846

(if that doesn't work just go to Amazon and put in a search for 
Christopher Paolini and it will bring up both books)

Another cool link is:

http://www.randomhouse.com/teens/eragon/

I found when I first got the book that I couldn't put it down 
either! You can see his youth and inexperience in portions of it but 
what I really saw was his promise as a writer and a really wonderful 
story line. I encountered the book again on audio CD and was simply 
enchanted all over again. It actually is even better when read, I 
think. 

I did read that interview and it is excellent and I have been 
anticipating the book more and more. I really liked the bit where he 
finally listened to the audiobook and was blown away himself!

Looks like this is going to be an excellent summer with HP, Rhem2 
(adventure game) and The Eldest!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****








From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Thu May 19 02:59:35 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:59:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
References: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8d8b6cb4817cf288d88be2b21eb250f1@fandm.edu>

Steve:
> We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to give
> so many of then their own newspaper column.

Lovely! ^_^

> Here is a comment on the release of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood
> Prince' at some website called 'Hecklerspray'. Maybe the guy is just
> trying to be funny, or maybe this 'mad' critic /thing/ is his schtick.
> Regardless, it's a little mean spirited. Although, he does manage to
> include all the relevant information in his mad rantings.
>
> http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/05/harry_potter_hy.html

Am I the only one who thought it wasn't that bad?  I mean, with a name 
like "Hecklerspray" (btw, is it "Heckler spray" or "Hecklers pray"? 
^_~), he obviously does the sarcastic, mean-spirited thing on purpose, 
but -- in the case of this article, it just seemed so *uninspired*.  
Like he was writing it, but he just wasn't *feeling* it, you know?

I mean, the true artists in the world of Harry Potter detractors are 
much more creative -- they call upon religion, they compare the readers 
with babbling idiots and *gasp* children, they give helpful (and 
wonderfully ludicrous) suggestions as to what people *ought* to be 
reading, etc.

This guy was just like "Gee Whiz.  Doesn't it suck that we all have to 
listen to the Harry Potter people get their groove on for the rest of 
the year?  By the way, here's all the info you need if you happen to 
*be* a said Harry Potter person."  He had no *heart*, man.

. . .

Is it bad that I've sort of become a connoisseur of these things?

Laura
http://www.livejournal.com/users/laurahuntley





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 03:49:03 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 03:49:03 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6h2bf+ig7f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to give
> so many of then their own newspaper column.
> 
> Here is a comment on the release of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood
> Prince' at some website called 'Hecklerspray'. Maybe the guy is just
> trying to be funny, or maybe this 'mad' critic /thing/ is his schtick.
> Regardless, it's a little mean spirited. Although, he does manage to
> include all the relevant information in his mad rantings.
> 
> http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/05/harry_potter_hy.html


Tonks:
I thought it was rather tame. Wasn't funny and didn't raise my blood 
pressure either. Just sort of bland really. Boring.

Tonks_op





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu May 19 04:25:14 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 04:25:14 -0000
Subject: The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb?
Message-ID: <d6h4fa+10qc7@eGroups.com>

Granted, one must allow for a certain dumbing down of educational 
standards on both sides of the pond in recent years (Heather Has Two 
Mommies and My Pet Goat casts out both Caliban and Ariel). 
Additionally, one must allow for the fact that a significant 
percentage of the HP fan base was born after Anno Domini 1990 (even 
I, with the mighty cerebellum I am privileged to possess, could not 
make heads or tails of The Tempest when I first attempted to peruse 
the text at the age of eight ? though nowadays I frequently serenade 
myself in the shower with Michael Nyman's musical settings of same).  
Nevertheless, I cannot help but react to what strikes me as a 
singularly patronizing parenthesis at jkr.com

"If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to 
become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the 
witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same 
name)"

"If anyone has read it"?  Jeez Louise, Jo, there might be a tiny 
miniscule fraction of a percent that possibly might have glanced at 
one of the greatest masterpieces of the mightiest of English language 
authors ? e.g., the late Richard Harris, who played the role of 
Macbeth several times on stage during his career, Maggie Smith, who 
played Lady M on several occasions, (but alas! that fervent 
antagonist of the Zionist Conspiracy, Alan Rickman, seems to have 
been denied the opportunity to strut and fret his hour upon the 
Macbethian stage, and we all know **WHY**)

Perhaps JKR is a fan of Wodehouse, and supposes that her readers 
operate on the same cultural level of Bertram Wooster (the following 
dialogue is from The Code of The Woosters, Chap. 2)

'That is the problem which is torturing me, Jeeves. I can't make up 
my mind. You remember the fellow you've mentioned to me once or 
twice, who let something wait upon something? You know who I mean ? 
the cat chap.'

'Macbeth, sir, a character in a play of that name by the late William 
Shakespeare. He was described as letting "I dare not" wait upon "I 
would", like the poor cat i' th' adage.' (END QUOTE)

The bit of dialogue that Bertie alludes to is in Macbeth, Act I, 
Scene VII as Macbeth and his Lady equivocate over the proposed 
assassination of King Duncan. The "adage" that the Lady refers to is 
a popular Elizabethan saying: "The cat would eat fish, but dare not 
get her feet wet." 

LADY MACBETH.
Was the hope drunk
Wherein you dress'd yourself? hath it slept since?
And wakes it now, to look so green and pale
At what it did so freely? From this time
Such I account thy love. Art thou afeard
To be the same in thine own act and valor
As thou art in desire? Wouldst thou have that
Which thou esteem'st the ornament of life,
And live a coward in thine own esteem;
Letting "I dare not" wait upon "I would,"
Like the poor cat i' the adage?

MACBETH.
Pr'ythee, peace!
I dare do all that may become a man;
Who dares do more is none.

Let's just hope that JKR will not introduce Hegelian or Kantian 
philosophies into Book Six, since them writers is even more harder to 
read than that Willy Shikespower feller.

    - CMC (don't even get me started on the Earl of Oxford)






From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu May 19 05:10:21 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:10:21 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb?
References: <d6h4fa+10qc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <428C1FBD.000001.02052@KATHRYN>

 
CMC
 
"If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to
become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the
witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same
name)"
 
"If anyone has read it"?  Jeez Louise, Jo, there might be a tiny
miniscule fraction of a percent that possibly might have glanced at
one of the greatest masterpieces of the mightiest of English language
authors ? e.g., the late Richard Harris, who played the role of
Macbeth several times on stage during his career, Maggie Smith, who
played Lady M on several occasions, (but alas! that fervent
antagonist of the Zionist Conspiracy, Alan Rickman, seems to have
been denied the opportunity to strut and fret his hour upon the
Macbethian stage, and we all know **WHY**)
 


K

Take a deep breath and give the woman a break. Her 'target' audience so to
speak (since she has said she doesn't aim the books at any particular group
this is a debateable point I guess) are hardly likely to read Shakespeare
without being forced too - and those of us who do enjoy Shakespeare might
take issue with it being quite so great. I know the only thing I found in
Macbeth's favour was that it was the shortest of Shakespeare's plays (I
think I might have hated it even more if it were longer). This is not a book
to be tossed aside lightly - it should be thrown with great force! To be
fair that opinion probably has more to do with the fact that a) I had to
read it and didn't get to see it performed (well we did see an excerpt of a
televised version with Lady Macbeth doing the scene where she basically asks
for the strength to carry out her plans (don't know the act and scene
numbers off hand) and pretty much writhing around on the bed in (overacted)
pseudo-sexual ecstasy - imagine how that went down with a class of fourteen
year olds ...) and b) I hate literature classes because you end up analysing
things in far more detail than the author probably intended, not to mention
finding subtexts which I would bet good money had never even occured to the
author, uh, glances nervously over at the main list, hmmm, maybe I should
rephrase that ;) Anyway I admit my view of Macbeth specifically may be
skewed by my teenage experiences with it - but I honestly think it's one of
the weaker plays (although I am talking about it being weak in comparison to
some of the greatest works ever written). And anyway like I say seven year
olds, probably not the greates readers of shakespeare around so it's a big
if for most of her assumed readership. Anyone familiar with Shakespeare is
probably old enough and smart enough not to need her explanations in the
first place.


That may not have been as coherent as I wanted it to be but to be fair I
have a little Alan Rickman pixie prancing around in my head now dressed in
Shakespearean costume (mmm, tights) and doing the 'dagger' speech - and it's
all your fault! (For which I thank you <eg>)

K

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Thu May 19 05:35:40 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 05:35:40 -0000
Subject: The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb?
In-Reply-To: <d6h4fa+10qc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6h8jc+epqc@eGroups.com>

No, I don't believe she thinks we're dumb, but perhaps dear Jo still 
thinks her principal audience is older children, ages 9-13, who 
probably haven't yet had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of 
that Spearshaker dude in their public school classes. 

As I recall, my first real immersion in the plays did not occur until 
my junior year in high school (which was much closer to Shakespeare's 
own time than it is now), when we began with that classic tale of 
teen angst--R+J to the current generation--which, despite the 
ultimate body count, remains a fairly tame and manageable story for 
young skulls full of mush to muddle through.

The Scottish Play, on the other hand, would probably merit an R 
rating, so Jo's presumed audience might well have only heard of it, 
since wasn't that, like, where they got the lyrics for the song by 
the Frog Choir? Kewl! Lady Macbeth makes Lord Voldemort seem 
positively cuddly by comparison, though she personally wields neither 
weapon nor magic. 

Patronizing? Perhaps a bit. Maybe a bit of an indictment of modern 
education as well.

Now, what's all this about Rickman not being Thane-of-Cawdor-worthy? 
MsTattersall

"Come, gentle night; come, loving, black-browed night, give me my 
Romeo. And when he shall die, take him and cut him out in little 
stars, and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world 
will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun" 
(III,2,20-25).
 

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> Granted, one must allow for a certain dumbing down of educational 
> standards on both sides of the pond in recent years (Heather Has 
Two 
> Mommies and My Pet Goat casts out both Caliban and Ariel). 
> Additionally, one must allow for the fact that a significant 
> percentage of the HP fan base was born after Anno Domini 1990 (even 
> I, with the mighty cerebellum I am privileged to possess, could not 
> make heads or tails of The Tempest when I first attempted to peruse 
> the text at the age of eight ? though nowadays I frequently 
serenade 
> myself in the shower with Michael Nyman's musical settings of 
same).  
> Nevertheless, I cannot help but react to what strikes me as a 
> singularly patronizing parenthesis at jkr.com
> 
> "If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to 
> become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the 
> witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same 
> name)"
> 
> "If anyone has read it"?  Jeez Louise, Jo, there might be a tiny 
> miniscule fraction of a percent that possibly might have glanced at 
> one of the greatest masterpieces of the mightiest of English 
language 
> authors ? e.g., the late Richard Harris, who played the role of 
> Macbeth several times on stage during his career, Maggie Smith, who 
> played Lady M on several occasions, (but alas! that fervent 
> antagonist of the Zionist Conspiracy, Alan Rickman, seems to have 
> been denied the opportunity to strut and fret his hour upon the 
> Macbethian stage, and we all know **WHY**)
> 
> Perhaps JKR is a fan of Wodehouse, and supposes that her readers 
> operate on the same cultural level of Bertram Wooster (the 
following 
> dialogue is from The Code of The Woosters, Chap. 2)
> 
> 'That is the problem which is torturing me, Jeeves. I can't make up 
> my mind. You remember the fellow you've mentioned to me once or 
> twice, who let something wait upon something? You know who I mean ? 
> the cat chap.'
> 
> 'Macbeth, sir, a character in a play of that name by the late 
William 
> Shakespeare. He was described as letting "I dare not" wait upon "I 
> would", like the poor cat i' th' adage.' (END QUOTE)
> 
> The bit of dialogue that Bertie alludes to is in Macbeth, Act I, 
> Scene VII as Macbeth and his Lady equivocate over the proposed 
> assassination of King Duncan. The "adage" that the Lady refers to 
is 
> a popular Elizabethan saying: "The cat would eat fish, but dare not 
> get her feet wet." 
> 
> LADY MACBETH.
> Was the hope drunk
> Wherein you dress'd yourself? hath it slept since?
> And wakes it now, to look so green and pale
> At what it did so freely? From this time
> Such I account thy love. Art thou afeard
> To be the same in thine own act and valor
> As thou art in desire? Wouldst thou have that
> Which thou esteem'st the ornament of life,
> And live a coward in thine own esteem;
> Letting "I dare not" wait upon "I would,"
> Like the poor cat i' the adage?
> 
> MACBETH.
> Pr'ythee, peace!
> I dare do all that may become a man;
> Who dares do more is none.
> 
> Let's just hope that JKR will not introduce Hegelian or Kantian 
> philosophies into Book Six, since them writers is even more harder 
to 
> read than that Willy Shikespower feller.
> 
>     - CMC (don't even get me started on the Earl of Oxford)





From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 19 08:25:58 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:25:58 -0000
Subject: Other books: Nicky Joe - to name two... Steveboymin
In-Reply-To: <d6dlmg+d3h6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6hiim+qhps@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
<bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Collins"
> <sandra87b at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Nicky Joe,
> > I've been expounding at length on another site about those 
kids books which cross over into the adult world by being far 
deeper, intelligent and funnier than you'd ever expect. I have two 
books, one of which is my all time favourite, to recommend, and 
hopefully someone (anyone!) might give either of them a go. 
..edited..
The Guardian Of Time 
The Odessa Stone 
...edited...
 bboyminn:
Could you give me the author of "The Guardian of Time" and is it 
part of a series?
the 'guardian of time' concept and used it in titles.
Thanks for the recommendations.
Steve/boyminn


Sandra writes:
Hi Steve, I'm so pleased someone has shown an interest! I feel 
like I'm the only one most of the time. The author is CC 
Chambers and if you look on the amazon.co.uk site you'll see all 
the reviews and get a feel for them. There's a friendly website as 
well at step-through.com and they've replied to loads of my 
questions and even sent bookmarks and postcards when the 
bookshop I bought the books from didn't include them in the 
book!
The books aren't a series, but they are connected by Andie (the 
girl in TGoT) being penpals with Linda (Odessa) and they 
happen around the same time of year. They reached me 
(particularly Odessa) for lots of reasons, which are good to talk 
about. If you get them, I hope you enjoy them like I did - it's rare
I stumble across something new which becomes a part of my 
life. They get no promotion or hype at all, which is beyond me!

Happy hunting, Sandra (hoping folks here might start talking 
about the books!)





From gbannister10 at aol.com  Thu May 19 10:13:14 2005
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:13:14 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6horq+bne1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:

Steve/bboyminn:
> We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to give
> so many of then their own newspaper column.
> 
> Here is a comment on the release of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood
> Prince' at some website called 'Hecklerspray'. Maybe the guy is just
> trying to be funny, or maybe this 'mad' critic /thing/ is his schtick.
> Regardless, it's a little mean spirited. Although, he does manage to
> include all the relevant information in his mad rantings.
> 
> http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/05/harry_potter_hy.html

Geoff:
I was reminded of a line in one of my favourite books - "To Serve Them 
all my Days" which is about a schoolmaster in the West of England. He 
gets annoyed with another member of staff who manages to rub most 
people up the wrong way and another colleague comments: "Ignore the 
poopstick. We all do when we can."
:-)

I have posted a short reply to the site expressing dissatisfaction with 
his view....





From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 19 12:18:53 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 12:18:53 -0000
Subject: The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb? 3
In-Reply-To: <d6h4fa+10qc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6i07d+adg6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
>Nevertheless, I cannot help but react to what strikes me as a 
> singularly patronizing parenthesis at jkr.com
> 
> "If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to 
become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one 
the witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the 
same  name)"
CMC (don't even get me started on the Earl of Oxford)

Sandra writes;

I do love to read points made so eloquently, CMC!
Of course JKR thinks we're dumb, and she's quite right to. I don't 
think she is dumbing down - she's pretty much there already, 
and simply knows her market, that's all. The way schools are 
going these days, I expect her books to be kicking Shakespeare 
off the curriculum within months, particularly if the sales figures 
are better than expected for the next volume.  I can see Tony Blair 
inviting her to No10 for a mug of tea, a chat, and a commercial 
tie-in. Imagine how pleased the Government will be in the future 
when the exam results come in from the A Level multi choice 
sections - I expect those to account for 90% of the marks. The 
remaining 10% will be from Spot The Difference, of course. I 
think the fact that spelling mistakes are no longer to count 
against 14yr old students gives a fair indication of where 
education is going. Give the system another few years, and she 
won't even need to mention MacBeth because even fewer of her 
flock will have heard of the play of the same name... they'll think 
it's a new arm of MacDonalds.

I think her comments were intended as much for her adult 
readers as her juvenile ones, even though the kind of reader 
who posts at this site and the HP For Grown Ups site tend to be 
well read and can thus be left out of that generalisation. The  
dumbed-down educational system leads to comments like hers, 
and all that I can do is feel annoyed about it. That's my view,  and 
I'm going for a cup of tea and lie down, now!






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 19 12:38:23 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 12:38:23 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6esko+o4da@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6i1bv+fsq1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
<bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> We all know the world is full of idiots, but why do they have to 
give so many of then their own newspaper column.> 
Steve/bboyminn

Sandra writes:

Hello again Stevebboyminn,

I read the piece, and apart from being a little general, I take his 
point about the hype - it's like Xmas in a way, because the 
promotion and hype gets out of hand and turns into a big, 
relentless marketing event lasting for months with thousands 
upon thousands of retailers counting the profit. Other than that, 
his points were not entirely my cup of tea, but it was quite an 
amusing read in parts. A bit like Harry Potter.





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 19 13:21:59 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:21:59 -0000
Subject: The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb?
In-Reply-To: <428C1FBD.000001.02052@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d6i3tn+dsce@eGroups.com>

CMC:
> "If anyone has read it"?  Jeez Louise, Jo, there might be a tiny
> miniscule fraction of a percent that possibly might have glanced at
> one of the greatest masterpieces of the mightiest of English 
> language authors ? e.g., the late Richard Harris, who played the 
> role of Macbeth several times on stage during his career, Maggie 
> Smith, who played Lady M on several occasions, (but alas! that 
> fervent antagonist of the Zionist Conspiracy, Alan Rickman, seems 
> to have been denied the opportunity to strut and fret his hour upon 
> the Macbethian stage, and we all know **WHY**)
 

SSSusan:
Heh heh.  Of *course* we do.  Because it would then be like his 
Dangerous Liaisons, of which one reviewer stated, "Every female 
member of the audience wanted to have sex with him" (paraphrased, but 
I'm sure I got the gist of it right).  I mean, look what happened to 
KathrynC just because you wrote this!  

Siriusly Snapey Susan, just teasing Kathryn, because she's also 
enjoying the image of AR spouting "It is a tale told by an idiot, 
full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."  Ah, lovely!







From madettebeau at gmail.com  Thu May 19 13:56:15 2005
From: madettebeau at gmail.com (miasbo)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:56:15 -0000
Subject: The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb?
In-Reply-To: <d6h4fa+10qc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6i5tv+fu3l@eGroups.com>

> "If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to 
> become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the 
> witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same 
> name)"


Well, when I first read it I assumed she was being theatrically
superstitious! lol. She refers to "Macbeth" as the character, but when
referring to the title, she says "the play of the same name". The only
time I've ever heard someone say that, is when someone is avoiding
saying the name of the play.

I don't know what exactly the reason is behind it, but in theatre
we're *never* allowed to say "Macbeth" in reference to the play's
name. It's always "The Scottish Play" or something else. I wouldn't
think Jo the superstitious type, and especially in this case since she
lives in Scotland, but then she's not originally from there, is she?

*shrug*

=)
Maddy


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius"
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> Granted, one must allow for a certain dumbing down of educational 
> standards on both sides of the pond in recent years (Heather Has Two 
> Mommies and My Pet Goat casts out both Caliban and Ariel). 
> Additionally, one must allow for the fact that a significant 
> percentage of the HP fan base was born after Anno Domini 1990 (even 
> I, with the mighty cerebellum I am privileged to possess, could not 
> make heads or tails of The Tempest when I first attempted to peruse 
> the text at the age of eight ? though nowadays I frequently serenade 
> myself in the shower with Michael Nyman's musical settings of same).  
> Nevertheless, I cannot help but react to what strikes me as a 
> singularly patronizing parenthesis at jkr.com
> 
> "If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to 
> become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the 
> witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same 
> name)"
> 
> "If anyone has read it"?  Jeez Louise, Jo, there might be a tiny 
> miniscule fraction of a percent that possibly might have glanced at 
> one of the greatest masterpieces of the mightiest of English language 
> authors ? e.g., the late Richard Harris, who played the role of 
> Macbeth several times on stage during his career, Maggie Smith, who 
> played Lady M on several occasions, (but alas! that fervent 
> antagonist of the Zionist Conspiracy, Alan Rickman, seems to have 
> been denied the opportunity to strut and fret his hour upon the 
> Macbethian stage, and we all know **WHY**)
> 
> Perhaps JKR is a fan of Wodehouse, and supposes that her readers 
> operate on the same cultural level of Bertram Wooster (the following 
> dialogue is from The Code of The Woosters, Chap. 2)
> 
> 'That is the problem which is torturing me, Jeeves. I can't make up 
> my mind. You remember the fellow you've mentioned to me once or 
> twice, who let something wait upon something? You know who I mean ? 
> the cat chap.'
> 
> 'Macbeth, sir, a character in a play of that name by the late William 
> Shakespeare. He was described as letting "I dare not" wait upon "I 
> would", like the poor cat i' th' adage.' (END QUOTE)
> 
> The bit of dialogue that Bertie alludes to is in Macbeth, Act I, 
> Scene VII as Macbeth and his Lady equivocate over the proposed 
> assassination of King Duncan. The "adage" that the Lady refers to is 
> a popular Elizabethan saying: "The cat would eat fish, but dare not 
> get her feet wet." 
> 
> LADY MACBETH.
> Was the hope drunk
> Wherein you dress'd yourself? hath it slept since?
> And wakes it now, to look so green and pale
> At what it did so freely? From this time
> Such I account thy love. Art thou afeard
> To be the same in thine own act and valor
> As thou art in desire? Wouldst thou have that
> Which thou esteem'st the ornament of life,
> And live a coward in thine own esteem;
> Letting "I dare not" wait upon "I would,"
> Like the poor cat i' the adage?
> 
> MACBETH.
> Pr'ythee, peace!
> I dare do all that may become a man;
> Who dares do more is none.
> 
> Let's just hope that JKR will not introduce Hegelian or Kantian 
> philosophies into Book Six, since them writers is even more harder to 
> read than that Willy Shikespower feller.
> 
>     - CMC (don't even get me started on the Earl of Oxford)





From ewe2 at 4dot0.net  Thu May 19 13:59:46 2005
From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:59:46 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb?
In-Reply-To: <d6i3tn+dsce@eGroups.com>
References: <428C1FBD.000001.02052@KATHRYN> <d6i3tn+dsce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050519135946.GB21892@4dot0.net>

On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 01:21:59PM -0000, cubfanbudwoman wrote:

> SSSusan:
> Heh heh.  Of *course* we do.  Because it would then be like his 
> Dangerous Liaisons, of which one reviewer stated, "Every female 
> member of the audience wanted to have sex with him" (paraphrased, but 
> I'm sure I got the gist of it right).  I mean, look what happened to 
> KathrynC just because you wrote this!  
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan, just teasing Kathryn, because she's also 
> enjoying the image of AR spouting "It is a tale told by an idiot, 
> full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."  Ah, lovely!

*delurk*

What a relief it is then, to know that Hamlet dies at the end. Failing that,
he could always play Othello.

*ducks*

*relurk*

-- 
sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me.




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu May 19 15:24:34 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:24:34 -0700
Subject: "The Scottish Play" (was The Cat Chap...)
References: <d6i5tv+fu3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c55c86$dd1a7980$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Maddy wrote:

<I don't know what exactly the reason
is behind it, but in theatre
we're *never* allowed to say "Macbeth"
in reference to the play's
name.>

To say the name will bring bad luck
upon the theatre, cast and play.  I
don't remember where or why that came
about but it's always been that way.
Almost any production company that puts
it on will refer to it as "The Scottish
Play" or even in reference "That
Scottish Play" (and almost every actor
and director will know the play
referenced simply by the tone of
speaking.

I have never had the opportunity to be
part of a cast/crew producing it but I
was part of a theatre during a time
when a group was (they were getting
ready to perform while we were starting
rehearsals so we overlapped), and I
remember they debated even putting the
title of the play on the posters and
playbills.  They were petrified of 'the
curse' (apparently the curse had
already hit and they had had some bad
luck in the beginning).


Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 16:42:12 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:42:12 -0000
Subject: The "Curse" of Macbeth
In-Reply-To: <20050519161126.81271.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d6ifl4+cn2j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at y...> 
wrote:
> I found this on the internet, written by Andrew Mann:
> 
> The Curse of Macbeth
> 
(snipped very interesting post which mentions that the play was written 
for King James and that you can not say the M word.)

Tonks:
I wonder now just how much of this was in JKR's mind when she wrote HP. 
Is this why Harry's father is James?  Why we can't say the V word?
Just makes you wonder.

Tonks_op





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 17:48:45 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:48:45 -0000
Subject: A Rather Nasty Attitude - HP Release
In-Reply-To: <d6i1bv+fsq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6ijht+ioms@eGroups.com>

> Sandra writes:
> 
> Hello again Stevebboyminn,
> 
> I read the piece, and apart from being a little general, I take his 
> point about the hype - it's like Xmas in a way, because the 
> promotion and hype gets out of hand and turns into a big, 
> relentless marketing event lasting for months with thousands 
> upon thousands of retailers counting the profit. Other than that, 
> his points were not entirely my cup of tea, but it was quite an 
> amusing read in parts. A bit like Harry Potter.



Alla:

In general, I am not a big fan of commercial hype myself, BUT this 
hype IMO did not appear out of nowhere, it appeared because initially 
people were spreading the praises for the books by the word of mouth 
and of course eventually marketing industry picked up on it, 
especially after movie release.

What am I getting at is that I am much more tolerant towards 
commercial hype when it is directed towards really good books.

When hype is out of nowhere, then I tend to roll my eyes.

It is not the case here, IMO.





From seuferer at netins.net  Thu May 19 19:59:49 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:59:49 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 37 Posted
Message-ID: <d6ir7l+7tao@eGroups.com>

Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. After OotP so 
loads of spoilers for that book, but before Half Blood Prince; so AU 
to that book when it arrives, Voldemort out in the open, Snape 
involved in DE activities because of his OotP Spy role, a researcher 
from Ministry offers to aid and assist Dumbledore and is 
reacquainted with our Potion's Master whom she knew slightly from 
school. Snarky Snape, in depth plot. (Way too much plot for those of 
you who want PWP.) WIP Rated for later chapters.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story has been more thoroughly 'polished' at FFN because I find 
it more user friendly to my technophobia, but the 'juice' is left in 
the 'lemons' on AFN. I can't figure out how to `keep' my italics and 
other font-thingies on AFN. Pathetic, I know, but there you are.  I 
will also be submitting it to SycophantHex eventually if approved 
there.  I'm waiting until it is complete to apply.

I'm really pleased with how well the story is flowing now.  I'm 
guesstimating about 55 chapters and an epilogue by the end.  My 
outline is for 50 chapters, but a few of these later ones have 
branched into two, so  that is why it is a 'guesstimate' only.

My goal is to complete the story before my children get out of 
school on may 25th. I don't know if I'll quite make it, but it will 
be close. Very shortly there after if nothing else.

Please review!  It does take 'time', but then so does writing the 
story to begin with. Reviews are the only  gauge fanfic/fanartists 
have to know how their 'work' is being received. It's a little 
disconcerting to see that on AFN I've had almost 4,000 'hits' but 
just over 40 reviews. It makes my insecure little heart wonder if 
the other 3,955 people think the story totally sucks. *snicker*

Thanks for reading!
Lisa, AKA






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri May 20 08:11:03 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:11:03 -0000
Subject: Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective/never underestimate satire
In-Reply-To: <42890695.000001.01956@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d6k62n+ceug@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  
> Steve/bboyminn
> It seems in a misguided effort to improve the behavior of teens in 
the Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent, the shopping center is banning
> wearing Hoodies (hooded sweatshirts) and baseball caps. All this in
> order to crack down on bad behaviour and stop kids frightening other
> shoppers.
>  
> K:
So what happens when the shopping centre realises
> that the same group of people find groups of people wearing muslim 
dress threatening - would they still think that banning certain 
clothing items is a good idea?
> 

Carolyn:

Or possibly banning all clothes - read and enjoy:

http://www.deadbrain.co.uk/news/article_2005_05_19_1832.php





From chnc1024 at AOL.COM  Fri May 20 15:31:41 2005
From: chnc1024 at AOL.COM (chnc1024 at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:31:41 EDT
Subject: JKR website scrapbook
Message-ID: <129.5d665434.2fbf5cdd@aol.com>

I was just wondering, if anyone knows how many pages 
there are for the scrapbook on JKR's website. 
 
I have:
    "Very early page of Philosopher's Stone"
    "First typed manuscript of Philosopher's  Stone"
    "Ancient drawings (page2)"
    "Ancient drawings (page3)"
    "Ancient drawings (page4)"
    "Page of doodlings (page2)"
 
If anyone could tell me how many pages I've missed and 
point me in the right direction of where I could find them, 
it would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Chancie


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From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Fri May 20 20:24:28 2005
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:24:28 -0000
Subject: JKR website scrapbook
In-Reply-To: <129.5d665434.2fbf5cdd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d6lh1s+3a69@eGroups.com>

I sure do!
Here you go: 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=71977
This is a link to the Scrapbook info in the forum I keep in FAPark, 
called On JKR's Desk.
This is my main archive of all my information about Jo's site, which 
should answer any questions you have.
But if not... please ask more!

Belinda
editor HP Lexicon's Guide to JKR.com





From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Fri May 20 21:46:42 2005
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:46:42 -0000
Subject: The "Curse" of Macbeth
In-Reply-To: <d6ifl4+cn2j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6lls2+dc06@eGroups.com>

> (snipped very interesting post which mentions that the play was 
written 
> for King James and that you can not say the M word.)
> 
> Tonks:
> I wonder now just how much of this was in JKR's mind when she wrote 
HP. 
> Is this why Harry's father is James?  Why we can't say the V word?
> Just makes you wonder.

Neri:
There might be another connection between HP with Macbeth. Since it 
is canon that Hogwarts School is about 1000 years old, there are good 
chances that it was established under Macbeth's reign (I believe he 
died in 1057). Moreover, if the HBP is (as some of us suspect) Godric 
Gryffindor, then he may be a Prince because he was the son of one of 
those kings (and a witch mother, naturally). Probably not Macbeth 
himself, but maybe Duncan, although I personally favor the Saxon king 
Harold, since he was the last of his line. 

Of course, the sons of kings at that time were not called princes, 
and kingship wasn't even strictly hereditary, but Shakespeare didn't 
let such trivia bother him, and neither should we. 


Neri






From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat May 21 01:38:35 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 01:38:35 -0000
Subject: The "Curse" of Macbeth
In-Reply-To: <d6lls2+dc06@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6m3er+lcgm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at y...> 
wrote:

> There might be another connection between HP with Macbeth. Since it 
> is canon that Hogwarts School is about 1000 years old, there are good 
> chances that it was established under Macbeth's reign (I believe he 
> died in 1057). Moreover, if the HBP is (as some of us suspect) Godric 
> Gryffindor, then he may be a Prince because he was the son of one of 
> those kings (and a witch mother, naturally). Probably not Macbeth 
> himself, but maybe Duncan, although I personally favor the Saxon king 
> Harold, since he was the last of his line. 

The great if little-known British historical novelist Alfred Duggan 
(1901-1964) wrote a novel about King Edward the Confessor (The Cunning 
of the Dove) in which the travails of Edward's contemporary, King 
Macbeth, are frequently alluded to.

The "curse" seems to extend to Verdi's 1847 operatic version as well. 
In 1988, a Texaco Metropolitan Opera broadcast of Verdi's Macbeth was 
broken off when an elderly man seated in the balcony made a fatal leap 
into the orchestra pit. 

OTOH, Garry Willis' 1988 essay on Macbeth, "Witches and Jesuits", 
dismisses the "curse" as a mere urban legend, noting that any play as 
popular and widely performed as Macbeth is going to have more than its 
share of accidents and catastrophes. 

   - CMC





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat May 21 03:46:45 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 03:46:45 -0000
Subject: FILK: Macbeth Troop
Message-ID: <d6mav5+qomq@eGroups.com>

This is one in a series of a half-dozen or so Shakespearean filks 
that I wrote in the late 90s, well before I became acquainted with 
the Potterverse. This one is to the tune of the theme from F Troop (a 
sitcom which aired from 1965-1967).

http://www.co.ozaukee.wi.us/Midi/Midi.htm


The end of a Scottish war was near
But then, supernaturally,
Three witches appeared, said those sisters weird
That the throne by this Thane would be commandeered

This prophetic buzz so thrilled his spouse
She scarcely could catch her breath
So, Duncan's their guest, oops, he's laid to rest
And now, here's the thing, the next king's: Macbeth!

Banquo buys the farm, young Macduff comes to harm,
Three murderers do their killins
But ghosts and sleepwalkers 
Show the guilt of our villains

Prince Malcolm's appraised, an army's raised
To fight for all the oppressed
And the king is informed none of woman born
Can resist, so defends till he headless descends - TO DEATH!

    -	CMC






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat May 21 04:04:30 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 04:04:30 -0000
Subject: Clothing Symbols (was /Re: Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective
In-Reply-To: <42890695.000001.01956@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d6mc0e+ff2r@eGroups.com>

This is somewhat related to the story of the teens in the mall and 
their clothing that mark them as gang members or whatever.
Here is a story of a man who sells antiques and such for a living. 
He has an auction house in a small town.

The article was in our local newspaper today.  There is a small town 
in the southern part of my state where everyone is in an uproar over 
an auction that one of the businesses is trying to have.  I think he 
has been trying to sell a couple of items of clothing (and some 
other related artifacts) for some time now and they have given him a 
lot of trouble over it.  He tried moving the auction to another part 
of the state but then he canceled it for some reason.  I haven't 
really followed the story that closely.  

But reading it today, I thought of Knockturn Alley and Mr. Borgan.  
What would Mr. Borgan do if he wanted to have an auction of some of 
the *historical artifacts* of LV; things that he perhaps got from 
LM.  Would the Chamber of Commerce accuse him of *besmirching* (the 
actually words they used) the image of Knockturn Alley?  I think 
that maybe some folks might think that Knockturn Alley *besmirched* 
itself long ago. This situation is so much like that of Knockturn 
Alley.  I don't want to get into a debate about it, so I will only 
hint at what it is about. I really don't have an opinion on the 
situation one way or the other.  (Of course the origin of the 
*artifacts* is nothing for that town or history to be proud of.) 
Perhaps he shouldn't have bought the stuff to start with.  Maybe he 
didn't know what sort of press he would get.  Probably just didn't 
think about it at all.  He probably got a good deal when the 
 ah
 
(leader)
  died and thought he could make a few dollars selling it 
as collector's items. (Course I don't know who would want it in 
their home.) It probably should just go in a museum somewhere.  What 
I find odd is that the head of the Chamber of Commerce doesn't want 
the town *besmirched* by this.  For God sakes!!, I say.  Everyone 
who has lived in this state for more than 20 years when they hear 
the name of the town associate it with *that group*.  So like 
Knockturn Alley, it is what it is.  Or was what it was. I didn't 
know the guy died and that they weren't *that place* anymore. So 
maybe the press is good for them because now we all know that it 
isn't *that place* anymore.  Anyway, poor Mr. Borgan what will he do 
when it is no longer fashionable to be a DE and he is stuck with all 
of LV old things?








From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 21 12:46:12 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:46:12 -0000
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
In-Reply-To: <002601c55bce$ca3bbb70$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <d6naik+kher@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" 
<phil at p...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I have been trying to find how dimensions are described in the 
Potterverse. In my American edition it reads:
> Neville was rising straight up like a cork shot out of a bottle 
--twelve feet--twenty feet.
> Phil

This is one of those sense-defying quirks we have to live with in 
Britain. Any measurements to denote distance in a formal way 
(eg road signs, or signs put up by councils) have to be in miles 
or yards and feet. If they're not, we can make a complaint and 
they have to be changed by law. And cars have to measure 
distance in miles, and even though speedometer dials show 
mph and kmh, the mph has to be the dominant one.
However, the idiots on tv and in the media only speak in metric 
terms for some barmy reason, so I always get confused when 
they talk about places being so-many-km from wherever. I don't 
have a feel for how far km are, or even metres for that matter, so 
when they talk about anything being so-many-metres high, or 
so-many-metres away, I get annoyed and have to put the kettle 
on! I just wish they could sort out what units we're supposed to 
be using in this country. Make it one or the other, but stop turning 
my brain upside down. And when they speak about how tall 
people are, in metres and cm, it means nothing to me. Why can't 
they do what the weather forecasters do so easily - they mention 
celsius and fahrenheit usually in the same breath, depending 
who's doing it. There, I've had my rant and I feel much better for it.

Sandra (with a cup of tea now)





From phil at pcsgames.net  Sat May 21 13:55:45 2005
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:55:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: dimensions in Potterverse
References: <d6naik+kher@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003401c55e0c$d7d27680$6600a8c0@phil>

"Sandra Collins" <sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk> said,
> This is one of those sense-defying quirks we have to live with in
> Britain. Any measurements to denote distance in a formal way
> (eg road signs, or signs put up by councils) have to be in miles
> or yards and feet. If they're not, we can make a complaint and
> they have to be changed by law. And cars have to measure
> distance in miles, and even though speedometer dials show
> mph and kmh, the mph has to be the dominant one.
> However, the idiots on tv and in the media only speak in metric
> terms for some barmy reason, so I always get confused when
> they talk about places being so-many-km from wherever. I don't
> have a feel for how far km are, or even metres for that matter, so
> when they talk about anything being so-many-metres high, or
> so-many-metres away, I get annoyed and have to put the kettle
> on! I just wish they could sort out what units we're supposed to
> be using in this country. Make it one or the other, but stop turning
> my brain upside down. And when they speak about how tall
> people are, in metres and cm, it means nothing to me. Why can't
> they do what the weather forecasters do so easily - they mention
> celsius and fahrenheit usually in the same breath, depending
> who's doing it. There, I've had my rant and I feel much better for it.
>
> Sandra (with a cup of tea now)

Now Phil replies,
Just this week the Who wants to tbe a Millionaire TV show had a question on
this subject.
In the US perfect eye sight is described as 20-20, so what are they in
metric?
 I knew a metre was about a yard so to guess the answer, I had to divide 20
feet by 3 and get 6.66, and one of the answers was 6-6 which was the correct
one.
 But my question is what do the Wizard World measure things in?
And since they have their own money why not have their own measuring system?
They could use objects that most in the WW would know like,
Hagrid  is about four GOF high.
That wand is exactly three scars long.
The castle grounds is roughly ten Quidditch  pitches square.

Phil who hopes Jo likes this idea.




From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 21 14:15:12 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:15:12 -0000
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
In-Reply-To: <003401c55e0c$d7d27680$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <d6nfpg+arto@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" Now 
Phil replies,
But my question is what do the Wizard World measure things in?
> And since they have their own money why not have their own 
measuring system?
> They could use objects that most in the WW would know like,
> Hagrid  is about four GOF high.
> That wand is exactly three scars long.
> The castle grounds is roughly ten Quidditch  pitches square.
> 
> Phil who hopes Jo likes this idea.

I don't think they need many, if any, measuring units. If 
something's heavy to lift, ZAP they just put a spell on it. If
anything needs filling, ZAP it's full.
Unstructured and unregulated magic, or at least magic which 
doesn't seem to be subject to much control, is a teenyweeny 
glitch in the Potterworld which isn't addressed. Magic could be 
used for all manner of subtle abuses of the 'system' and the 
ones who would benefit most are the legions of creative 
criminals who could come up with any old spell or enchantment 
to get whatever they want. This crossed my mind when I read the 
first book, but I stupidly assumed something would be 
mentioned in the later books. It strikes me that there's an awful 
lot of trust needed in the Wizard World, because anyone who 
know the right latin words, or has the right recipe, can do 
whatever they want to. I would imagine it's a good place to have a 
birthday.

Sandra (scratching her head)





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 21 21:46:56 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 21:46:56 -0000
Subject: MacBeth and Hoodies
Message-ID: <d6oa8g+plq4@eGroups.com>

Caius Marcius wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27289 :

<<  The "adage" that the Lady refers to is a popular Elizabethan
saying: "The cat would eat fish, but dare not get her feet wet." >> 

Thank you, I had never known to what she was referring.

Ms Tattersall wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27291 :

<< As I recall, my first real immersion in the plays did not occur
until
my junior year in high school (which was much closer to Shakespeare's
own time than it is now), when we began with that classic tale of
teen angst--R+J to the current generation--which, despite the
ultimate body count, remains a fairly tame and manageable story for
young skulls full of mush to muddle through. >>

My junior high class (in private school) read R+J as preparation to
see the Franco Zefferelli movie thereof which came out that year
(1968, acto www.imdb.com). My tenth grade (sophomore) class in high
school (public school) read Julius Caesar because it was part of the
curriculum and our teacher told us it had been chosen because it had
the least sex of all Shakespeare's plays. 

Carolyn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27305 :

<< Or possibly banning all clothes - read and enjoy:
http://www.deadbrain.co.uk/news/article_2005_05_19_1832.php >>

Fun article, thanks.

A few years ago, reading in newspaper of the troubles a high school
had banning gang insignia and gang color (red for Bloods, blue for
Crips, purple for Grape Street Crips, brown for Fudgetown (?) Crips,
etc), my DH suggested that that problem could be solved by banning
clothing. 

Speaking of hoodies, I won't ever even try one on. When I was quite
young, four or maybe five years old, my mother the idealist got the
idea that pull-over hooded sweatshirts were the most logical thing for
young children to wear, and walked me and my brother to a local shop
to buy us each one. Obediently attempting to try one on, my head got
caught in a piece of cloth that blocked the neck opening. (About
twenty years later, I realised it was the facing -- why a hooded
garment had a neckline facing I can't imagine.) 

Neither my mother nor the saleslady had any idea what the problem was,
and just kept telling me to try harder, and the harder I tried, the
more trapped I was. My head trapped in the dark where I couldn't see!
I panicked. Eventually they allowed me to give up and exit via the
bottom of the sweatshirt. This left me with a *strong* distaste for
the feel of 'fleece' garments until a couple of years after I had
realised it was just the facing. I still haven't forgiven hoods.





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sat May 21 23:23:22 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 16:23:22 -0700
Subject: *cries*  (a collectors problem)
References: <d6oa8g+plq4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004301c55e5c$1583f9a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

I have been searching and searching for
a Nancy Drew book (Treasure in a Royal
Tower, #128 or #129) and JUST found it
on ebay...

As part of a lot of fourteen (none of
which I have) and I don't have the
money for it (it's like, nine dollars
including shipping and handling).

*sniffles*

And this, the day after my find of 10
Nancy Drews for .49cents each.

Speaking of, Sheryll, if you see this,
the ND you gave me is the oldest in my
collection.  I worship you so much
still for that!

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May 22 04:02:19 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 22 May 2005 04:02:19 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1116734539.121.57502.m22@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 22, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From seuferer at netins.net  Sun May 22 04:45:20 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 04:45:20 -0000
Subject: Need Help with British Pop Music 1970's and 90's, and Wedding Traditions
Message-ID: <d6p2p0+b5l3@eGroups.com>

Hello!  Can anyone help this poor Yankee fanfic writer from "across 
the pond"?

This is for a wedding in my fic of a MWPP era character (not Snape) 
and the sort of music that might be played there.  I've 
already 'cheated' a little, one of the guests is from the U.S., so I 
will be sneaking in some things that I know from here.  I do not 
want to Yankify the whole thing, though, so I need help! ;)

I need to know some fairly specific things about British pop music 
in the time of the Mauraders, and then also in 1996.  How much of it 
is similar with the U.S.?  For example, in the mid/late 1990's there 
was a dance here called "The Macarena" (don't know if I'm spelling 
that right).  Did that 'fad' occur in the U.K. as well?  Were there 
any other similar 'group' dance sorts of things?

What are traditional things that might occur in a fairly 
relaxed/laid back wedding?  Do you guys do the "Father Daughter 
Dance"?  Here in the U.S. (at least where I live), it's fairly 
common for DJ's to play music from a wide variety of time periods so 
that the grandmas and grandpas can dance to 'their' music 
occasionally as well.  '50's music is popular here for 'fun party' 
dances--The Twist, The Hand Jive, things that almost everyone knows 
even still.  Do you guys have anything like that?

Wedding traditions:  Do the bride and groom 'feed' each other the 
first bite of wedding cake?  Twine their arms as they sip champagne 
to their first toast?  Is the "Unity Candle" something your 
ceremonies include?

This is not a 'rich people' wedding by any means, but a fun 'party' 
amoung close friends, though the 'bride' wants a 'traditional 
wedding with all the trimmings', so I need to know what that entails 
for you Brits!  Please help! ;)  Feel free to contact me privately 
off-list.  Thanks!





From heidi at heidi8.com  Sun May 22 08:42:54 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (heiditandy)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:42:54 -0000
Subject: Need Help with British Pop Music 1970's and 90's, and Wedding Traditions
In-Reply-To: <d6p2p0+b5l3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6pgme+dbhr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanti_50130" <seuferer at n...>
wrote:


> I need to know some fairly specific things about British pop music 
> in the time of the Mauraders, and then also in 1996.  How much of it 
> is similar with the U.S.?  For example, in the mid/late 1990's there 
> was a dance here called "The Macarena" (don't know if I'm spelling 
> that right).  Did that 'fad' occur in the U.K. as well?  Were there 
> any other similar 'group' dance sorts of things?

In the UK, they've had the Now That's What I Call Music series going
on since the early 80s, and a few years back, they released
compilations of each year going back to at least 1980. I went to
Amazon.co.uk and pulled up the 1996 version - you can find it here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002MFBN/qid%3D1116750805/202-6915824-4736667
- and it'll let you know what was generally popular in that year. 

Also, this page -
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:oVWZsoiwsgUJ:www.theofficialcharts.com/html/all_songs.php+uk+charts+music+1978&hl=en&client=firefox-a%20target=nw
- has a list of all the number one hits in the UK, organized by date. 

Since I'm from the US, I don't want to try to answer the
wedding-specific questions myself, but http://www.weddingguide.co.uk/
might be of some help, too. 

Good luck!

Heidi
heidi at fictionalley.org





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun May 22 13:02:20 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:02:20 -0000
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
In-Reply-To: <002601c55bce$ca3bbb70$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <d6pvss+ldjo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" <phil at p...> wrote:

> So is the British measurements in feet or metres?
> 
> Phil

I don't know if anyone else has answered, I've not checked yet, but 
there's something you must understand about us British - we're a 
strange, stubborn and outspoken breed who fear change in some 
circumstances and embrace it in others.  Decimalisation is one of those 
things that a large percentage of the population have never got the 
hang of (or ever intend to).
I was born in 1972, post decimalisation, however my parents, 
grandparents, teachers and all adults around me in my formative years 
grew up with pounds, shillings and pence, feet and inches, ounzes and 
pounds.  It's all very confusing.
Our entry into Europe has made us all a bit more defiant to continue 
using the old imperial measures, just to p**s everyone off and maintain 
our unique (and pig-headed) identity.
So, in answer to your question Phil, we would use centimetres and 
metres on Wednesdays and Saturdays, when there's and "R" in the month 
and if its raining.  At all (or some) other times we might use feet and 
inches, but most of the time we just use a bewildering concoction of 
the two. 
Clear?

Sarah xx





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun May 22 13:13:21 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:13:21 -0000
Subject: The Cat Chap: Does Jo Think We're Dumb?
In-Reply-To: <428C1FBD.000001.02052@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d6q0hh+cpmr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  
> CMC
>  
> "If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to
> become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the
> witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same
> name)"
>  
> "If anyone has read it"?  
> 
> K
> 
> (since she has said she doesn't aim the books at any particular 
group
> this is a debateable point I guess) are hardly likely to read 
Shakespeare
> without being forced too - 

Again, I am replying before having read if anyone else has (usually 
by which time I've forgotten what I wanted to say) anyway - isn't the 
best way to appreciate and enjoy Shakespeare to watch a play?  I was 
forced to read Macbeth, Romeo and Juliet and Twelfth Night at school 
at various points in my grammar school education, but it was only 
when I went (at my parent's suggestion and expense) to see an open 
air version of Macbeth that I really understood and appreciated it. 
It's an awesome tale of power and betrayal, love and remorse (maybe) 
that unless you've got a good imagination (not a strong point of 
mine) is lost in the written words and dialogue.  Visually there is 
so much going on, which means so much more than stage directions.  
That was the way they were originally intended to be seen, not read 
in a book.
We then followed that by an outing to the local theatre to watch 
Hamlet (and a row of 15 yr old schoolgirls all fell in love with a 
black silk clad, diamond stud wearing Hamlet ...)

Sarah xx





From Grrarrggh at aol.com  Sun May 22 13:24:23 2005
From: Grrarrggh at aol.com (Tamara)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:24:23 -0000
Subject: PoA Computer Game- NEED HELP!!!
Message-ID: <d6q167+abo2@eGroups.com>

I am playing the HP PoA computer game and am completely stuck on one 
part. It is where Harry and Hermione are in the tunnels to save Ron. 
They are in a large room with two sets of stone steps. I have defeated 
the skeletons, and opened the two chests, but I can't figure out how to 
get out of the room!! I've moved the stone steps around a few times, 
but nothing works. Anyone know what to do? And explain it to me like 
I'm stupid please. Because that is how I am feeling right now lol. 
Thanks!

Tamara





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun May 22 13:41:37 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:41:37 -0000
Subject: Need Help with British Pop Music 1970's and 90's, and Wedding Traditions
In-Reply-To: <d6p2p0+b5l3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6q26h+m9i6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanti_50130" 
<seuferer at n...> wrote:

> 
> I need to know some fairly specific things about British pop music 
> in the time of the Mauraders, and then also in 1996.  How much of 
it 
> is similar with the U.S.?  For example, in the mid/late 1990's 
there 
> was a dance here called "The Macarena" (don't know if I'm spelling 
> that right).  Did that 'fad' occur in the U.K. as well? 

Yes, we did have the Macerena (sp?) and the stupid dance and it would 
have been a hit at weddings with the little girls (pre teen).  Also 
The Village People tend to feature fairly heavily (YMCA being a 
particular favourite).
In 1996, gosh that's nearly 10 years ago, what was I listening to 10 
years ago?  Oh now I remember, I was at university - its all a bit of 
a blur!!  I suppose Blur and Oasis (Wonderwall is always good) and 
other Britpop, Pulp erm ... no I'm stumped.  I think I was listening 
to Marc Bolan, which most of the rest of the population were not!
Marauders time? Late seventies when they are older teenagers or 
earlier?  Late seventies - The Damned, Bowie, Blondie, Kim Wilde, The 
Specials, Madness (or were they a bit later?) Status Quo (the dad's 
favourite) and Cliff Richard (the grannys favourite) any more 
suggestions.  Both eras are out of my time, I was only a child of the 
seventies, and was grown up and listening to what I wanted in the 
nineties. HTH
Sarah xx





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May 22 15:02:09 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 22 May 2005 15:02:09 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1116774129.147.82273.m30@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 22, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From joseph at kirtland.com  Sun May 22 17:12:23 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:12:23 -0000
Subject: Need Help with British Pop Music 1970's and 90's, and Wedding Traditions
In-Reply-To: <d6q26h+m9i6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6qehn+f0iq@eGroups.com>

In other words, we are more or less a common culture separated by an
ocean.  The "British Invasion" of the 1960s likely forever linked the
music tastes of Britain and North America.  A second British invasion
occured in the 1980s with The Fixx, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, etc.

Ah yes, the Village People.  YMCA is a bar classic here in the states
as well.  I frequent the Hard Rock Cafe in Salt Lake City, and it's a
big laugh every time that song comes on.  (I shudder to think of Snape
doing THAT dance!)  

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "shanti_50130" 
> <seuferer at n...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I need to know some fairly specific things about British pop music 
> > in the time of the Mauraders, and then also in 1996.  How much of 
> it 
> > is similar with the U.S.?  For example, in the mid/late 1990's 
> there 
> > was a dance here called "The Macarena" (don't know if I'm spelling 
> > that right).  Did that 'fad' occur in the U.K. as well? 
> 
> Yes, we did have the Macerena (sp?) and the stupid dance and it would 
> have been a hit at weddings with the little girls (pre teen).  Also 
> The Village People tend to feature fairly heavily (YMCA being a 
> particular favourite).
> In 1996, gosh that's nearly 10 years ago, what was I listening to 10 
> years ago?  Oh now I remember, I was at university - its all a bit of 
> a blur!!  I suppose Blur and Oasis (Wonderwall is always good) and 
> other Britpop, Pulp erm ... no I'm stumped.  I think I was listening 
> to Marc Bolan, which most of the rest of the population were not!
> Marauders time? Late seventies when they are older teenagers or 
> earlier?  Late seventies - The Damned, Bowie, Blondie, Kim Wilde, The 
> Specials, Madness (or were they a bit later?) Status Quo (the dad's 
> favourite) and Cliff Richard (the grannys favourite) any more 
> suggestions.  Both eras are out of my time, I was only a child of the 
> seventies, and was grown up and listening to what I wanted in the 
> nineties. HTH
> Sarah xx





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun May 22 18:59:20 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:59:20 -0000
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
In-Reply-To: <d6pvss+ldjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6qkq8+4825@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" <phil at p...> wrote:
> 
> > So is the British measurements in feet or metres?
> > 
> > Phil

> Sarah: 
> ...edited..
> So, in answer to your question Phil, we would use centimetres and 
> metres on Wednesdays and Saturdays, when there's and "R" in the 
> month and if its raining.  At all (or some) other times we might use
> feet and inches, but most of the time we just use a bewildering 
> concoction of the two. 
> Clear?
> 
> Sarah xx

bboyminn: 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a Brit buy his ale by the pint
and his petrol by the liter? And for the record, aren't those pints 19
ounces instead of 16 which would in turn make an Imperial gallon
substantially larger than a normal gallon? And when a Brit speaks of
Petrol, he speaks of it by the gallon, even though he purchases it by
the liter? 

Speaking of 'Pints', I recently read that the government was trying to
do away with pints and half-pints of ale in order to be more
consistent with the European Union and Metric standards. This seemed
to create an uproar equivalent to a proposal to publically execute the
Queen. Ale drinkers nation wide were outraged and flatly refused to
give up their pints; it is an old and proud English tradition afterall.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn






From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 22 19:11:29 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:11:29 -0000
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
In-Reply-To: <d6qkq8+4825@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6qlh1+d9ms@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
<bboyminn at y...> wrote:
Speaking of 'Pints', I recently read that the government was trying 
to do away with pints and half-pints of ale in order to be more 
consistent with the European Union and Metric standards. This 
seemed to create an uproar equivalent to a proposal to publically 
execute the Queen. Ale drinkers nation wide were outraged and 
flatly refused to give up their pints; it is an old and proud English 
tradition afterall.
 Just a few thoughts.
 Steve/bboyminn

Sandra writes:
Yes Steve, we're an odd bunch but it's only because the powers 
that be refuse to take a decision. Why commit when you can 
fudge? So we officially are imperial for distance, even though the 
tv/media talk in metric, we're metric for weighing fruit and veg 
(shopkeepers get prosecuted here for serving in pounds and 
ounces) and buying petrol, imperial for buying drinks, and 
generally a big mess.  I'm getting annoyed again... calm down, 
calm down...

Sandra (off for a cup of tea - the cup is not a unit of 
measurement)





From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Sun May 22 19:15:08 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:15:08 -0000
Subject: Clothing Symbols (was /Re: Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective
In-Reply-To: <d6mc0e+ff2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6qlns+6ajd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> SNIP SNIP SNIP 
> The article was in our local newspaper today.  There is a small town 
> in the southern part of my state where everyone is in an uproar over 
> an auction that one of the businesses is trying to have.  I think he 
> has been trying to sell a couple of items of clothing (and some 
> other related artifacts) for some time now and they have given him a 
> lot of trouble over it.  He tried moving the auction to another part 
> of the state but then he canceled it for some reason.  I haven't 
> really followed the story that closely.  
SNIP SNIP SNIP

Do you live in Michigan? Are you talking about that guy in or around 
Ann Arbor or Saline who was trying to auction off vintage KKK robes & 
artifacts?
Sharon





From joseph at kirtland.com  Sun May 22 22:22:59 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:22:59 -0000
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
In-Reply-To: <d6qlh1+d9ms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6r0o3+mls7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Collins"
<sandra87b at y...> wrote:

> Sandra writes:

> Sandra (off for a cup of tea - the cup is not a unit of 
> measurement)

Oh?  I thought a cup was 8 ounces.  :-)

When I was in primary school in the 1970's, the United States was
really on the metric bandwagon.  Shell Oil (yes, I realize it's a
British company) even began selling their gasoline in litres.  Road
signs where I grew up in the Bay Area stated distance in both miles
and kilometres.    

This lasted a very short while.  The mistake was trying to get
Americans used to metric by having them convert measurements rather
than taking them for what they are.  After all, a litre isn't a litre
- it's .264 gallons (US Gallon, that is).

Actually, I'm surprised metric didn't catch on.  The national speed
limit was lowered to 55mph in the 70's.  After all, would you rather
drive 55mph or 88kmh?  And today, the legal speed limit is closer to
120kmh on rural interstates.

Ironically, nearly all tooling for American automobiles, and all
manufacturing for that matter is metric.  My career in electronics has
ALWAYS been metric.  It's only our everyday life that the conversion
hasn't taken place.

Joe






From shalimar07 at aol.com  Sun May 22 22:44:51 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:44:51 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PoA Computer Game- NEED HELP!!!
Message-ID: <fc.13c345b5.2fc26563@aol.com>

There are actually 3 sets of steps.  You must push the tallest, the  middle 
and then the smallest in line...Each time you move the steps more  skeletons 
will appear.  When you have put the steps in order and killed ALL  the skeletons 
jelly beans will appear on the steps to guide you  through.


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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon May 23 01:32:02 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:32:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sad news - my heart is breaking
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050523013202.4740.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>

I have sad news that I want to share with my friends here.  I lost my precious Ghostie today.  For those of you who do not know, I raise and show sheltie.  Ghostie was my very first show dog.  She is only 2 years old.  Though I am working on trying to get the info together to prove it, I know that my neighbor poisoned her.  I almost lost my agility dog, Blue.  He is still at the emergency vet.  They were in their own back yard inside of a 6 foot tall privacy fence.  Luckily the other dogs did not get any.  She was my precious diva.  So loving.  So sweet.  I miss her so very badly.  She was my baby.  This on top of loosing my dad this past christmas (though I know that you cannot compare your dad to a dog but I still loved her almost as much as my own kids).  I don't think I can stand any more pain.
 
moonmyyst
 
mom of:
Southcrest Phantom Spirit "Ghostie" - now my angel
Southcrest Sugar Quill "Honey"
Chocolate Sundae Hugs "Hugs"
Little Valentine Kisses "Kisses"
Summerlands Blueberry Muffin "Blue"
Ceridwyn's Summerland Reveille "Revie"
and 
Magic

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From ajroald at yahoo.com  Mon May 23 04:48:21 2005
From: ajroald at yahoo.com (Lea)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 04:48:21 -0000
Subject: Sad news - my heart is breaking
In-Reply-To: <20050523013202.4740.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d6rnal+uuc7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> I have sad news that I want to share with my friends here.  I lost 
my precious Ghostie today.  For those of you who do not know, I 
raise and show sheltie.  Ghostie was my very first show dog.  She is 
only 2 years old.  Though I am working on trying to get the info 
together to prove it, I know that my neighbor poisoned her.  I 
almost lost my agility dog, Blue.  He is still at the emergency 
vet.  They were in their own back yard inside of a 6 foot tall 
privacy fence.  Luckily the other dogs did not get any.  She was my 
precious diva.  So loving.  So sweet.  I miss her so very badly.  
She was my baby.  This on top of loosing my dad this past christmas 
(though I know that you cannot compare your dad to a dog but I still 
loved her almost as much as my own kids).  I don't think I can stand 
any more pain.
>  
> moonmyyst
>  
> mom of:
> Southcrest Phantom Spirit "Ghostie" - now my angel
> Southcrest Sugar Quill "Honey"
> Chocolate Sundae Hugs "Hugs"
> Little Valentine Kisses "Kisses"
> Summerlands Blueberry Muffin "Blue"
> Ceridwyn's Summerland Reveille "Revie"
> and 
> Magic
> 

I'm really sorry to hear about your loss, my heart goes out to you.  
Also wish Blue a speedy recovery.  

That is a horrible thing for someone to do!  It's just so hard to 
believe that people can be that mean.  I hope you get the proof to 
nail the person who did this.  

~ Lea





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Mon May 23 04:56:08 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 04:56:08 -0000
Subject: Sad news - my heart is breaking
In-Reply-To: <20050523013202.4740.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d6rnp8+pmn4@eGroups.com>

Moonmyyst, I hope you can get the proof you need to prove that your 
neighbor did this terrible thing. In many states animal cruelty is a 
felony offense--it *should* be in *all* states--and even if it is not 
in yours, you should press charges to the fullest extent of the law. 
Even if the worst charges you can file are "malicious destruction of 
property," because your dogs are registered show dogs, you are better 
prepared than most to prove in court that the loss of this dog caused 
you X dollars in actual value and potential earnings. 

No amount of money will bring your sweet Ghostie back, but if a 
person will kill a dog minding its business in its own yard, they'll 
harm or even kill another human being, even a child. If you can't get 
the goods on this creep, please consider moving, because he (and I 
say "he" because most animal abusers are men) will do it again.

Pet lovers understand: I certainly do. Grief recovery experts tell us 
that the loss of a pet that is a constant companion can be just as 
devastating as the loss of a human loved one. You have my sincerest 
sympathy and support.
MsTattersall


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, K G <moonmyyst13 at y...> wrote:
> I have sad news that I want to share with my friends here.  I lost 
my precious Ghostie today.  For those of you who do not know, I raise 
and show sheltie.  Ghostie was my very first show dog.  She is only 2 
years old.  Though I am working on trying to get the info together to 
prove it, I know that my neighbor poisoned her.  I almost lost my 
agility dog, Blue.  He is still at the emergency vet.  They were in 
their own back yard inside of a 6 foot tall privacy fence.  Luckily 
the other dogs did not get any.  She was my precious diva.  So 
loving.  So sweet.  I miss her so very badly.  She was my baby.  This 
on top of loosing my dad this past christmas (though I know that you 
cannot compare your dad to a dog but I still loved her almost as much 
as my own kids).  I don't think I can stand any more pain.
>  
> moonmyyst
>  
> mom of:
> Southcrest Phantom Spirit "Ghostie" - now my angel
> Southcrest Sugar Quill "Honey"
> Chocolate Sundae Hugs "Hugs"
> Little Valentine Kisses "Kisses"
> Summerlands Blueberry Muffin "Blue"
> Ceridwyn's Summerland Reveille "Revie"
> and 
> Magic
> 
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From evehomay at sinagirl.com  Sun May 22 15:51:37 2005
From: evehomay at sinagirl.com (evehomay)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:51:37 -0000
Subject: OT: JKRowling Case Study
Message-ID: <d6q9q9+u42s@eGroups.com>

I am a postgraduate student in cultural studies from England. I am 
doing my dissertation on the situation about authors writing under 
pseudonym, especially why so many of them are male pseudonym, which I 
remembered that JK Rowling once said about the publisher didn't want 
her to use Joanne Rowling as the author name.

Would you be so kind to fill in the questionnaire to help me gather 
information on doing this dissertation? You could download the 
questionnaire from 
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/evehomay/questionnaire.doc and send it 
back to me on evehomay at calbee.wanadoo.co.uk

Thank you very much for your time.

Yours Sincerely,
Eve Ho.







From eileennicholson at aol.com  Sun May 22 19:27:13 2005
From: eileennicholson at aol.com (eileennicholson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:27:13 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <7f.5ea28a46.2fc23711@aol.com>

Hi seufererer, 
    I got married in London in 1982; I'm probably a  year older than Snape 
would be....and I've got so into the Potterworld, its hard  to imagine that MWPP 
don't exist.... 
    UK wedding traditions in the 1970s.....the bride would  wear a long white 
dress with plenty of white lace, a veil and a bouquet with  lilies and roses 
in it and probably some asparagus fern....something old,  something new, 
something borrowed (something mum wore at her wedding?),  something blue (usually a 
blue garter, so that no-one sees if it clashes  with the rest of the 
outfit).....the bridegroom would hire a morning suit  from Moss Bros, as would the 
best man, and both of them would look extremely  embarrassed and uncomfortable in 
them...but the fiancee would insist...the rest  of the male guests would be 
wearing suits, if they had them, the younger guys'  suits with wide lapels and 
those wide, bright kipper ties, some with hair  down to their shoulders or 
longer (worn loose, no pony tails, it was too early  for that, thought to be too 
girly) .. two or three bridesmaids in frilly  frocks, probably little sisters 
or cousins of the bride....very prissy and  smarmy, feeling very 
important....church wedding if possible, otherwise room at  town hall (frowned upon 
slightly)..Confetti thrown over the brial couple,  ignoring the 'no confetti' 
signs...Pause for photographer (hired specially) and  two relatives with cameras who 
want to take their own snaps..bride throws the  bouquet over her shoulder into 
the crowd at the end of the ceremony, older girls  and women rush to catch 
it, in order to become the next bride....reception at a  hotel, perhaps, so the 
guests can get accommodation, with a marquee in the  grounds for the party 
afterwards....or in the church hall if money is tight, or  in a hired room at the 
local pub if there is no money at all, with some money  behind the bar for 
the first few drinks and then everyone paying for their  own...food from a 
buffet, sausages on sticks and triangular sandwiches with the  crusts cut off and 
the edges curling up, egg & cress, ham and lettuce for  the cheaper wedding, a 
sit-down meal with between two and four courses for the  more expensive 
wedding...speeches from the groom and best man (has to include at  least three 
embarrasing incidents from the bridegroom's past)...toasts to the  bride and groom, 
bridesmaids etc ..white iced wedding cake with three tiers  supported by 
plaster columns, and the bridal couple hold the  knife together to cut the first 
slice.  
    They would probably hire a DJ for the evening,  playing vinyl singles and 
some album tracks. They may also hire a band - if they  know one of the band 
members, the band would probably play their own songs; if  not, the band would 
play cover versions of the same songs that the DJ would  play.  DJ tracks in 
the 70's? Country and jazz would be limited to Jim  Reeves and Frank Sinatra, 
plenty of rock, songs from 50's to 70's, Buddy Holly,  Little Richard, Chubby 
Checker, the Twist is fine, quite a lot of Beatles  stuff, one or two Rolling 
Stones tracks, Pink Floyd, Tom Jones, a couple of  songs out of the current 
top 10, one or two California Summer of Love tracks,  Beach Boys hits. If there 
are a lot of parents and grandparents at the  wedding, add extra Max Byfield, 
Frank Sinatra and Jim Reeves, with a conga at  the end of the evening when all 
the guests are drunk......married couple tying  to slip away early in the 
proceeding, with many of the guests aiming to catch  them out.....driving away in 
a hired car with white ribbons tied across the  bonnet to the honeymoon 
destination, and the best man has tied tin cans to the  back of the car...the 
guests that have spotted them shouting a chorus of  goodbyes with raised 
glasses.....
hope this helps! I can probably do some more research into the music if you  
want it, there is a musician in the house.....!  
 
eileen             


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From eileennicholson at aol.com  Sun May 22 19:43:14 2005
From: eileennicholson at aol.com (eileennicholson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:43:14 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: dimensions in Potterverse
Message-ID: <a0.28e57e7d.2fc23ad2@aol.com>

bboymin, 
       Well, if its a choice between the  Queen and the pint...well, she's 
had a good long innings....
        And we have always talked about  petrol by the gallon; the sign at 
the petrol station was changed to litres when  the government wanted to disguise 
another stupendous price increase; we  ignore it and purchase by the credit 
card....
 
eileen  


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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon May 23 10:03:53 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 03:03:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OT: JKRowling Case Study
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050523100353.26477.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>



evehomay <evehomay at sinagirl.com> wrote: I am a postgraduate student in cultural studies from England. I am 
doing my dissertation on the situation about authors writing under 
pseudonym, especially why so many of them are male pseudonym, which I 
remembered that JK Rowling once said about the publisher didn't want 
her to use Joanne Rowling as the author name.

Would you be so kind to fill in the questionnaire to help me gather 
information on doing this dissertation? You could download the 
questionnaire from 
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/evehomay/questionnaire.doc and send it 
back to me on evehomay at calbee.wanadoo.co.uk

Thank you very much for your time.

Yours Sincerely,
Eve Ho.







I am doing a dissertation on women writers, in relation to social stereotypes imposed on women. If you would be so kind to fill in this questionnaire, it would be of great help. Once you have filled it in, please email it back to me (evehomay at calbee.wanadoo.co.uk). Thank you.

Name: Karan Graham

These information is needed in case further questions are needed to be asked later, but would be confidential to researchers only.
  
Email address: Moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com
    
Age: 43

Gender: female
 
1. Are you a frequent reader? yes
  
2. Which categories or genres are you more interested in? Fantasy, some sci-fi, dog
  
3. Among the writers of your interested categories or genres, are you aware that there are any female writers using a male pen name or male writer using a female pen name?

Yes (go to 4)

No (go to 5) No
 
4. Could you name the writers that you are aware who are in this situation? (Go to 5)
   
5. Could you name your favourite writers? JK Rowling, Robert Jordan, Joanne Bertin, Anne 

McCaffery.
  
6. When you saw a female name on the cover of a book, which genre comes to your mind straightaway?

None specific
 
7. Why? I know that women write in all of them but I do think that a book written by a man will have 

more fight/war scenes and that women will deal more with emotions but (as with Robert Jordan) this

is just a generalization.
  
8. When you saw a male name on the cover of a book, which genre comes to your mind straightaway?

See question #6 and #7
 
9. Why?
  
10. Would the gender of a writer affect your decision on reading the writer?s works?

No
 
11. Why?

I like both. 
 
12. Once I had sorted the data from the questionnaire, there might be some further questions that I would like to ask also. Would you be willing to do so?

yes, but I have some crazy things going on in my life right now so it may take a couple of days to answer.

 

 

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From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Mon May 23 15:27:22 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sad news - update
Message-ID: <20050523152723.16387.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com>

I have been very comforted by the huge number of e-mails that I have received.  It only strengthens my belief that you must be special people.   Thank you all.
 
I have delivered Ghostie's body to the vet's office and they are sending her off to Univ of Ga for a full autopsy.   I also have the blood - pre-treatment - from Blue that will be sent also.  They did not keep his stomach contents.   The results will be sent to me and to the head of our animal control.  Tracy and I have a great relationship (I used to be a senior trainer for Petsmart and I would work with them on problem dogs and give them free classes).  I had a long talk with her this morning and she is going to do everything she can.
 
I have had a history of bad blood between me and these particular neighbors.  They have been harrassing us for the last couple of years.  I have tried to ignore it as much as possible, hoping that they would get tired and stop.  The last few months it has escalated.  I never thought that it would come to this.  In a way I am hoping that it comes back as something else, then at least, my other dogs would be safe and I can fix what ever it was.  I just have a very bad feeling.  I did a search of my back yard and I did find a gallon size zip lock back that looked either worn or chewed.  It has some brownish gooey stuff in there.  I do not use zip lock bags that size so I know it is not mine.  I do not know if it is related or just some trash that innocently blew into the yard but I have saved it and told Tracy about it.  No dead animals, snakes, bones, holes, etc.  My dogs do not eat dead animals or kill live ones.  They will stand and bark their heads off at it, reach out and paw at
 it, etc. but will not eat it.  I would expect a bite before I would poisoning from it and Blue was checked for bites at both vet offices.
 
Blue is at my vet from the emergency vet.  The are great there and one of my former co-trainers works there so Blue is with someone that he knows well.
 
When I found them, Ghostie was already dead.  Blue was paralized from the waiste back and was having severe siezures from the waiste forward even though he was struggling to get to me.  His jaws were locked shut and did not even whimper (even though he is the mouth of the south).  His eyes were dialated.  I saw no vomit or blood but I did see a good bit of light colored diarreha.  When I took him to my vet, after I picked him up from the emergency vet, he could walk - barely - and was still having small siezures.  
 
I will let you guys know when I find out something else.  
 
Karan (moonmyyst) - mom of:
Southcrest Phantom Spirit "Ghostie" - now my angel
Southcrest Sugar Quill "Honey"
Little Valentine Kisses "Kisses"
Chocolate Sundae Hugs "Hugs"
Summerlands Blueberry Muffin "Blue"
Cerridwyn Summerland Reveile "Revie"



 

		
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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon May 23 21:33:52 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:33:52 -0000
Subject: PoA Computer Game- NEED HELP!!!
In-Reply-To: <d6q167+abo2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6ti80+gtbj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tamara" <Grrarrggh at a...> 
wrote:
> I am playing the HP PoA computer game and am completely stuck on one 
> part. It is where Harry and Hermione are in the tunnels to save Ron. 
> They are in a large room with two sets of stone steps. I have 
defeated 
> the skeletons, and opened the two chests, but I can't figure out how 
to 
> get out of the room!! I've moved the stone steps around a few times, 
> but nothing works. Anyone know what to do? And explain it to me like 
> I'm stupid please. Because that is how I am feeling right now lol. 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tamara

*****\(@@)/*****

Here is an absolutely wonderful site that has walkthroughs for a lot 
of games, especially adventure games:
http://www.gameboomers.com/Walkthroughs/Hwalkthroughs.html

Gamboomers.com is one of my most favorite sites - great walkthroughs 
and helpful people when you get stuck in a game.

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon May 23 22:03:55 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:03:55 -0000
Subject: Clothing Symbols (was /Re: Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective
In-Reply-To: <d6qlns+6ajd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6tk0b+dkp1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at y...> 
wrote:
> Do you live in Michigan? Are you talking about that guy in or around 
> Ann Arbor or Saline who was trying to auction off vintage (Snip)
robes &  artifacts?

Tonks:
Well yes. The city is Howell. I guess he had the action on Sat. and 6 
or 7 people were all that showed up. It was on the news again last 
night. Kind of like LV's old things. Wonder who bought them. The City 
folks final said that if they ignored him and he didn't get a lot of 
press no one would come. Like a war, what if you planned a war and no 
one came. Well at least that is over. But it seems that he still got a 
lot more press than he should have. That is a marketing ploy. Afer all 
it was when the Right Wing Christians banned the HP books that we all 
started buying them. 






From SongBird3411 at aol.com  Mon May 23 22:07:31 2005
From: SongBird3411 at aol.com (songbird3411)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:07:31 -0000
Subject: Star Wars (& HP)
Message-ID: <d6tk73+rta9@eGroups.com>

I have something Harry Potter related in my mind after seeing the new 
Star Wars movie.  (Twice. Yes I am obsessed.)  Slight Star Wars 
spoilers ahead.

I think that if these Star Wars prequels were good for one thing, it 
might not be showing us Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.  No, I think 
the best thing about these Star Wars prequels has been the depiction 
of one of the best movie villains of all time.

Honestly, the only thing I find worthwhile about the first two 
prequels is seeing the complete and total control Palpatine has over 
events.  Palpatine has turned out to be one of the scariest villains 
I have ever encountered.

The depth and thoroughness of his manipulations is simply 
breathtaking.  He controls not only people, but entire Institutions.  
He controlled both sides of the same war.  He orchestrated the 
invasion of his home planet in order to secure more power.  He 
orchestrated a siege of the capital in order to gain even more 
power.  Not only does he plan every event, but he has contingency 
plans if the initial plans go awry.

This is a character whose sole motivation is power.  A character with 
the ability to manipulate people and events to his own advantage.  A 
character in utter control of almost every level of his society.  

I find myself wishing that Voldemort was even a hundredth as scary.  
Yes, yes, JK Rowling, I know we all watch too much Star Wars.  
Honestly though!  Palpatine is one of the best baddies I have ever 
seen.  After seeing Revenge of the Sith, Voldemort is going to seem 
even weaker by comparison unless Jo does something about it really 
soon.

Mindy   





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 24 01:54:32 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:54:32 -0000
Subject: Star Wars (& HP)
In-Reply-To: <d6tk73+rta9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6u1go+hoes@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "songbird3411" 
<SongBird3411 at a...> wrote:
> I have something Harry Potter related in my mind after seeing the 
new 
> Star Wars movie.  (Twice. Yes I am obsessed.)  Slight Star Wars 
> spoilers ahead.
> 
> I think that if these Star Wars prequels were good for one thing, 
it 
> might not be showing us Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.  No, I 
think 
> the best thing about these Star Wars prequels has been the 
depiction 
> of one of the best movie villains of all time.
> 
> Honestly, the only thing I find worthwhile about the first two 
> prequels is seeing the complete and total control Palpatine has 
over 
> events.  Palpatine has turned out to be one of the scariest 
villains 
> I have ever encountered.
> 
>[Catalogue of Palpatine's villainy excised.]

Granted, Palpatine is no mean Machiavel, but the one of the "scariest 
villains" ever?  No way! I can barely remember what he looks like, or 
recall a single individual personality trait about him.  A great 
villain (such as Vadar or Voldemort) is great because of who he is, 
rather than what he does. Palpatine is simply too boring and one-
dimesional a character - calling him cardboard would be an insult to 
that highly useful paper product - to secure even the slightest of 
toeholds in the pantheon of great cinematic/literary villainy.

   - CMC






From seuferer at netins.net  Tue May 24 02:03:29 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:03:29 -0000
Subject: Need Help with British Pop Music 1970's and 90's, and Wedding Traditions
In-Reply-To: <d6pgme+dbhr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d6u21h+dihi@eGroups.com>

 
> In the UK, they've had the Now That's What I Call Music series 
going
> on since the early 80s, and a few years back, they released
> compilations of each year going back to at least 1980. I went to
> Amazon.co.uk and pulled up the 1996 version - you can find it here:
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002MFBN/qid%
3D1116750805/202-6915824-4736667
> - and it'll let you know what was generally popular in that year. 
> 
> Also, this page -
> http://64.233.187.104/search?
q=cache:oVWZsoiwsgUJ:www.theofficialcharts.com/html/all_songs.php+uk+
charts+music+1978&hl=en&client=firefox-a%20target=nw
> - has a list of all the number one hits in the UK, organized by 
date. 
> 
> Since I'm from the US, I don't want to try to answer the
> wedding-specific questions myself, but 
http://www.weddingguide.co.uk/
> might be of some help, too. 
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Heidi
> heidi at f...

THANKS!!  That helps a bunch!
Lisa





From seuferer at netins.net  Tue May 24 02:03:59 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (shanti_50130)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:03:59 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found Chapter 38 up
Message-ID: <d6u22f+702r@eGroups.com>

Chapter 38: Changing Perspectives is posted.

Wherein Severus slyly begins to take steps to repair the situation 
in which he has found himself, is Summoned by the Dark Lord, and is 
dealt a hard lesson simplistically presented through the eyes of a 
small child.

The summary: Severus Snape and OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. 
Canon through OotP except for original characters, so loads of 
spoilers for that book, but before Half Blood Prince; so AU to that 
book when it arrives.  Voldemort out in the open, Snape involved in 
DE activities because of his OotP Spy role. A researcher from 
Ministry offers to aid and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted 
with our Potion's Master whom she knew slightly from school. Snarky 
Snape, in depth plot. (Way too much plot for those of you who want 
PWP.) WIP Rated NC-17 for Death Eater violence and consensual 
heterosexual interaction in later chapters.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~lisasimaginings Author page
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1789723/1/ Story link at ffn

http://adultfan.nexcess.net/aff/story.php?no=25336 Story link at afn.

The story is more `polished' at FFN because I do not know how to get 
AFN to accept text styles used for emphasis such as italics and bold 
print when applicable.  However, all `juice' is left in the `lemons' 
at AFN, where as they are extremely self-censored at FFN.

I have started using my Live Journal account as a place to leave my 
lengthier Author's Notes and discussions.  It will eventually 
include answers to questions/comments left by reviewers as well as 
some of my own theories on the various canon characters and why I 
have `written' them a certain way in my story.  I am "weasleyfan" at 
LiveJournal.com, and anyone is welcome to read my journal.

I want to say a HUGE *THANK YOU* to everyone who answered my plea 
for British wedding rituals and period music.  Chapter 43 will see 
Remus getting married, and I did not want to `Americanize' the 
ritual.  Someone from one of my many Yahoo Groups, (I believe it was 
Sycophant Hex) referred me to a Live Journal community called 
HP_Britglish.  The people there responded to my questions almost 
instantly, and with extreme thoroughness.  I would highly recommend 
them to anyone who has `British' questions related to Harry Potter, 
as they were prompt, friendly, and explicit!  If you are curious, 
their answers they left me can be found here:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_britglish/117719.html

I hope you enjoy my story.  If you read it, please leave a review 
and let me know what you think.
Lisa






From chnc1024 at earthlink.com  Tue May 24 19:19:37 2005
From: chnc1024 at earthlink.com (Chancie)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:19:37 -0000
Subject: Message Help
Message-ID: <d6vuo9+g9ck@eGroups.com>

I have just reciently gotten a new email address.  I changed my profile 
to the new address, and am getting posts on it, however when I try to 
send a message back to the Main list (and it would probably be the same 
on this list, but I just decided to post this on the site to make 
things easier on myself), I recieve an email saying that my new email 
address is not recognized as subscribing to the group. Does anyone know 
how I can fix this?  It's becoming REALLY annoying!  

Chancie





From PenapartElf at aol.com  Tue May 24 21:19:38 2005
From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:19:38 EDT
Subject: Message Help
Message-ID: <20c.1a01cf6.2fc4f46a@aol.com>

In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27345
Chancie <chnc1024 @earthlink.com> wrote:
> I have just reciently gotten a new email address.  I changed my profile 
> to the new address, and am getting posts on it, however when I try to 
> send a message back to the Main list (and it would probably be the same 
> on this list, but I just decided to post this on the site to make 
> things easier on myself), I recieve an email saying that my new email 
> address is not recognized as subscribing to the group. Does anyone know 
> how I can fix this?  It's becoming REALLY annoying!

<hands Chancie a fudgesicle>
 
Because Yahoo!Groups is currently *very* behind in 
carrying out various functions, especially when it comes 
to requests having to do with memberships, I suspect 
there's nothing you (nor us elfly types) can do about it at 
this time.  If anyone knows otherwise, please advise!

Looks to me like Y!G is about 3 days behind presently.  
This isn't that unusual, I'm sorry to report.  Eventually 
your new email address should be ok to post from 
(probably 3 days from when you submitted your latest 
request to Y!G) and eventually Yahoo!Groups will be 
caught up with the backlog and be processing requests 
without such a delay.

:) Penapart Elf, a-slurping her own fudgesicle



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed May 25 13:39:27 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:39:27 -0000
Subject: The "Curse" of Macbeth
In-Reply-To: <d6m3er+lcgm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d71v6f+3fki@eGroups.com>

Caius Marcius wrote:

> The "curse" seems to extend to Verdi's 1847 operatic version as 
well. 
> In 1988, a Texaco Metropolitan Opera broadcast of Verdi's Macbeth 
was 
> broken off when an elderly man seated in the balcony made a fatal 
leap 
> into the orchestra pit. 

I would have thought that being part of something that conjoins the 
words 'Texaco' and 'Opera' is a fate so dismal that a mere 
supernatural curse can't hope to compete.

David





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed May 25 16:47:22 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:47:22 -0000
Subject: dimensions in Potterverse
In-Reply-To: <002601c55bce$ca3bbb70$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <d72a6q+pgoh@eGroups.com>

Phil wrote:

> So is the British measurements in feet or metres?

To add to the comments already made, one can come across hands, 
fathoms, chains, furlongs, nautical miles, astronomical units, light-
years, and parsecs in various contexts.  Not to mention that supreme 
invention of the underwater acoustics community, the kiloyard.  And 
that's just for length.

In my experience, Americans are not much better, since they manage 
to use a competing metric system, based on the centimeter and gram, 
as opposed to the SI, which is based on the metre and the kilogram.  
Seems straightforward enough, until you want to know how many ergs 
there are in a joule.  All this alongside the imperial system (foot-
pounds, anyone?), as well as 'semi-metric' units such as the calorie.

The difference between the British and American gallons is often 
overlooked by people when comparing petrol (gasoline) prices, with 
the result that an admittedly already large disparity is exaggerated.

David





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu May 26 11:48:59 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:48:59 -0000
Subject: Brit News - Complete lose of Perspective (imho)
In-Reply-To: <d6atim+ccb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d74d3b+lr2p@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:

> It seems in a misguided effort to improve the behavior of teens in 
the
> Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent, the shopping center is banning
> wearing Hoodies (hooded sweatshirts) and baseball caps. All this in
> order to crack down on bad behaviour and stop kids frightening 
other
> shoppers.
> 
> Tell me now, isn't this a classic case of fighting the symptom 
while
> ignoring the problems. Aren't the same trouble-making kids going 
to go
> to the same shopping mall and cause the same problems only wearing
> different closes?
> 
> Are they really attempting to fix the problem, or are they simply
> trying to appease the troubled masses?

I heard about this at the time but I wasn't able to follow it very 
closely.

Before going off the deep end, one wants to know a few basic facts:  
were the items banned absolutely, or just particular ways of wearing 
them, e.g. is a hoodie with the hood down acceptable?

That said, there was a somewhat sarcastic reaction here - both 
journalists and members of the public wanted to know if Bluewater 
was going to ban the *sale* of these items, too.  Others suggested 
that the over-50s should take to wearing them, on the grounds that 
this would render them instantly unfashionable, thus causing 
teenagers to find some other dress.

Oddly enough for a government supposedly obsessed with spin and 
presentation, Blair has a bit of a reputation for shooting from the 
hip on these social issues.  He at one point suggested that police 
should be able to administer on-the-spot fines to youths by marching 
them to cashpoint machines (ATMs), a suggestion that caused much 
anguished backpedalling and general thrashing about among officials 
who hadn't heard of the suggestion until he mentioned it.

Hoodies are pretty much standard wear for kids here - both my boys 
have them and wear them.  It means nothing.

As far as symptoms are concerned, as somebody mentioned, the problem 
is not that these youths are necessarily behaving badly - it's just 
that their presence in groups is intimidating.  I find it quite 
believable that the sort of person who feels intimidated by a group 
of teenagers will be influenced by the clothes they wear, as this is 
all about perception of difference, particularly class difference.  
If these kids are made to *seem* middle class, then the middle aged 
middle class people whose opinions and spending power drive policy 
will *feel* safer.  This really does matter, in a society in which 
the crimes that people fear are rare, particularly among the groups 
that fear them most.

David





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu May 26 19:13:29 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:13:29 -0400
Subject: Borders' coupon for HBP
Message-ID: <1a273840050526121378c4af81@mail.gmail.com>

http://ebm.cheetahmail.com/c/tag/hBChOehAQfEXsAWieTKARKM-g.AP5JoTsl/doc.html?RAF_TRACK=&password=AQfEXsARKM-gBChOeho-3$6Wq83J$C&email=test at 39287439749334.com&i_care=0&i_dashboard=0&i_paperchase=0&i_remodel=&i_rewards_footer=0&i_copycoupon=&QDOLLARS_SPENT=

Basically, it's the same price as Barnes&Noble but you also get a 25%
off second item coupon for pick-ups of reserved books.  Not really
that special considering there's a 25% off coupon available now but it
expires May 30.

I haven't reserved my book yet, so I'm still shopping around.

Dina



From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu May 26 19:47:57 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Borders' coupon for HBP
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050526194758.3315.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I haven't reserved my copy yet, either, so I'd love to hear what other
deals you come up with.  

MJ



--- Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
>
http://ebm.cheetahmail.com/c/tag/hBChOehAQfEXsAWieTKARKM-g.AP5JoTsl/doc.html?RAF_TRACK=&password=AQfEXsARKM-gBChOeho-3$6Wq83J$C&email=test at 39287439749334.com&i_care=0&i_dashboard=0&i_paperchase=0&i_remodel=&i_rewards_footer=0&i_copycoupon=&QDOLLARS_SPENT=
> 
> Basically, it's the same price as Barnes&Noble but you also get a 25%
> off second item coupon for pick-ups of reserved books.  Not really
> that special considering there's a 25% off coupon available now but it
> expires May 30.
> 
> I haven't reserved my book yet, so I'm still shopping around.
> 
> Dina
> 

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 00:24:18 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:24:18 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Talking of losing perspective ....
Message-ID: <429668B2.000003.01780@KATHRYN>


I thought banning hoodies was an example of the idiots in charge having
nothing to do, but at least those idiots only run a shopping mall!

http://news.yahoo
com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050526/ap_on_fe_st/yearbook_prank 

The Secret Service investigated a high school year book after one of the
students was given the title "Most likely to assassinate President Bush".
The year book was recalled by the faculty and the ffending caption covered
with black marker pen. The Secret Service says that they had to investigate
because it's their job to investigate all threats to the President. Now this
tells me that one (or more) of these things is true -

a) The terrorist threat has clearly been greatly exaggerated if all Shrub
has to worry about is a group of teenagers with a slightly offbeeat sense of
humour;

b) The Secret Service employs far more agents than is necessary and some of
them are consequently really desperate to find something to do;

or c) The Secret Service could do with a few lessons in prioritizing.

If this sort of thing grabs their attention so fast (and I would point out
the school had only had time to distribute 100 year books before the Secret
Service got involved) then I have to wonder what kind of resources they
dedicate to persistent threats - like Michael Moore and chat show hosts!

K




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri May 27 00:23:03 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:23:03 -0400
Subject: Your stupidity pains me
Message-ID: <1a27384005052617237e15a60@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe it's because I'm tired... and I really do need to work on being
nice but... I've had one too many instances of 'your stupidity pains
me' today.  Wizards aren't the only ones lacking in logic and common
sense.  Then there are these completely half-baked theories... like
Narcissa Malfoy being a muggleborn just so Draco can be the Half Blood
Prince?

I don't want to be 'elitist', but for the love of [insert your choice
of deity]... {shakes head and then takes a deep breath}  I'm going to
take a nap.

Dina



From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 00:26:59 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:26:59 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
References: <429668B2.000003.01780@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <42966953.000005.01780@KATHRYN>

OK I'm not sure how or why but yahoo mangled the link (and it was a link to
their site so you'd think they'd be a little more forgivving), you'll need
to cut and paste the whole thing to see the article

K 
 

http://news.yahoo
com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050526/ap_on_fe_st/yearbook_prank
  

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri May 27 00:32:24 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:32:24 -0000
Subject: Venting too
Message-ID: <d75pqo+gh86@eGroups.com>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4579905.stm

This article annoys me.  I don't mind the name changes which are the 
main topic, it's the lack of feel for language.

Below is the comment which I refrained from sending to the BBC:

"Only a person with a tin ear could imagine that Kolkata is a name 
change rather than tidying up the spelling.  Is there any chance of 
the BBC employing correspondents who understand the topics they are 
writing about?"

Really, isn't it obvious that Bombay and Mumbai are the *same name*?  
Likewise Constantinople and Istanbul.  As such the case of Pretoria 
and Tshwane is rather different.

David,

stamping on folk etymology since 2001





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri May 27 00:43:29 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:43:29 -0000
Subject: Talking of losing perspective ....
In-Reply-To: <429668B2.000003.01780@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d75qfh+sfub@eGroups.com>

Kathryn wrote:

> The year book was recalled by the faculty and the offending caption 
covered
> with black marker pen. The Secret Service says that they had to 
investigate
> because it's their job to investigate all threats to the President. 

Heh.  I notice that the secret service got involved because somebody 
reported it, and it doesn't appear to be them that insisted on the 
blacking out.  It's the pettiness of the person who complained, and of 
the faculty, that is discouraging.  All the secret service did was 
check the 'threat' was not real.

You've got to love the way Yahoo provide a special link to search for 
news stories about President Bush, just in case you weren't quite sure 
who he is.  Now, let me see, U.S.A., that stands for, um, Union of 
Socialist..., no, hang on, I'll get it in a minute...

David





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri May 27 02:13:48 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:13:48 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
References: <429668B2.000003.01780@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <00d901c56261$b81598a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

K wrote:

< The Secret Service says that they had
to investigate
because it's their job to investigate
all threats to the President.>

Which has been true since the Secret
Service was drafted to protect the
president (not their first job by the
way).  Growing up in America it was
drilled into us, well, my generation at
least, that if you're going to talk bad
about the President, DO NOT make
threats against his or her life in
public where other can hear you, or you
will find yourself quickly receiving a
visit from them.

That is why I've always been careful in
my "Bush Bashing" as I don't really
relish a visit from them (unless it's
to offer me a job because that would be
cool).  I've always limited it to his
job performance (or my opinion there
of) and not as a personal attack
against the man himself, or the job he
holds (of which I have great respect
for).

Although some comments slip through
while watching news conferences, but
they did that with Clinton too. :o)

Saitaina
for President 2016 (I wish)
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 02:28:40 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:28:40 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
References: <00d901c56261$b81598a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <429685D8.000001.02000@KATHRYN>

 

K wrote:
 
< The Secret Service says that they had
to investigate
because it's their job to investigate
all threats to the President.>
 
Saitana

Which has been true since the Secret
Service was drafted to protect the
president (not their first job by the
way).  Growing up in America it was
drilled into us, well, my generation at
least, that if you're going to talk bad
about the President, DO NOT make
threats against his or her life in
public where other can hear you, or you
will find yourself quickly receiving a
visit from them.
 

K

I wasn't disagreeing with their mandate so much as their definition of
threat, which in this case would coincide with most reasonable people's
definition of joke. Or at least would in the UK, I know you Americans are a
tad bit more sensitive on these matters, but seriously if that were to be
the worse thing anyone said about Blair this week (hell this hour!) he'd
probably consider it to be cause for celebration.

I sort of understand the idea of respecting the office if not the person but
it's very difficult to respect the office of President/Prime Minister/insert
your leader of choice here when the idiots who make up most of the
electorate (ie anyone foolish enough to hold a different opinion to me
<joke>) have a tendency to occasionally/frequently/all the darn time (delete
as appropriate dependent on your level of cynicism) elect complete
idiots/crooks/cynical manipulators (again delete as applies to your
particular leader of choice).

I still can't understand how the UK election ended the way it did but then
since we had a choice between the political equivalent of  cheshire cat (I
swear that grin remains behind long after he's left), an overgrown vampire
bat and that wee red man with the cute baby I guess I shouldn't be surprised


K
*Screaming Lord Sutch for PM!* 

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri May 27 02:53:21 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:53:21 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
References: <00d901c56261$b81598a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <429685D8.000001.02000@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <00e501c56267$3f1f5a20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

K wrote:

<so much as their definition of
threat, which in this case would
coincide with most reasonable people's
definition of joke.>

Oh I'm sure to the individual agents it
was a joke too, but they still have to
go out.  On any given day there is a
Secret Service agent reading his
morning case file and going, "Not
again!  Do I really have to look at
this?"

I feel most sorry for the agents
assigned to cases that are multiples,
as in people who constantly make
threats against the life of the
President.  Since you never know when
one might just be real, you have to
check it out each time.

<I know you Americans are a
tad bit more sensitive on these
matters, but seriously if that were to
be
the worse thing anyone said about Blair
this week (hell this hour!) he'd
probably consider it to be cause for
celebration>

I'm sure Bush would feel the same way,
but we've had too many assassinations
in our short history for us to ever
feels safe letting things go about our
leader.  While this can never compare
to the number of Kings/Queens/PM's that
may have been killed in the UK's
history, we have a short history and a
great many attempts.

Plus we think about it more, the closer
we are to an attempt/actual
assassination.  John F. Kennedy's death
was a HUGE thing for my mother's
generation and almost everyone my age
that I know can remember Regan being
shot at.

<I sort of understand the idea of
respecting the office if not the person
but
it's very difficult to respect the
office of President/Prime
Minister/insert
your leader of choice here when *snip*>

Agreed, especially now (I'm a democrat
(liberal), we're in the minority in the
States at the moment), but I come from
a VERY patriotic family and we've
always defined it, that you can hate
the man/woman (in whatever office), as
a person, but you CANNOT hate the
office they hold.

I've always stated (especially
recently), that as a person, excluding
the fact that he is my President, I
honestly can't stand and dislike George
W. Bush (no offense to those who like
him).  But as the President, solely in
that capacity, attaching no names, I
honor and respect the man willing to
take on that position and am proud to
have him, despite what I think of him
(or her) as a person.

It's rather like the Freedom of Speech
slogan, "I don't have to like what
you're saying, but I'll die for your
right to say it."  I don't have to like
the man, but I will support my
President.

Honey, I'm still bitching about the US
elections.  I think I broke something
when I heard the results.  But, such is
life.  You win some, you lose some, you
wait four years and hope the next guy
agrees with you.

Although it's fun for my republican
friends and I.  For four years I get to
blame them for everything since 'you
voted for the guy'.  :o)

Saitaina
who is no longer allowed to watch CNN
during Presidential speeches as she
tends to throw things at the TV.
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From editor at texas.net  Fri May 27 02:59:00 2005
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:59:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Your stupidity pains me
References: <1a27384005052617237e15a60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c56268$0a02be80$a759aacf@texas.net>

I don't have any idea what this is about, but I just wanted to congratulate
Dina on having a subject line that pretty much sums up 100% of my day today
and made me absolutely laugh out loud. It didn't *need* a message with it.

~Amanda

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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Your stupidity pains me


> Maybe it's because I'm tired... and I really do need to work on being
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> me' today.  Wizards aren't the only ones lacking in logic and common
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> Prince?
>
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> take a nap.
>
> Dina
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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 03:19:31 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:19:31 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Assasinations and attitudes towards them
References: <00e501c56267$3f1f5a20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <429691C3.000001.01740@KATHRYN>

 
While this can never compare
to the number of Kings/Queens/PM's that
may have been killed in the UK's
history, we have a short history and a
great many attempts.




Actually I'm not entirely sure that's true. There really haven't been all
that many Kings die unnatural deaths (and no Queens) and only one Prime
Minister has ever been assasinated. Heck I'm a medieval historian (and that
s the period that is probably most bloody) and I can still count on one hand
the number of monarchs that I can remember who have been killed. Going back
from the present day the first one I can think of is Charles I (and that was
a judicial execution), Richard III, Princes in the Tower, Edward II (death
arranged by his wife through judicial application of a red hot poker
somewhere unpleasent), Harold ... Seriously going all the way back to 1066
that's all that spring to mind - who have I missed, anyone? I think I'm
missing one of the Henrys, am I?


And none of those were really what I'd call assasinations since two were
killed in battle, one was executed for treason and two had deaths arranged
by family members. There have been a great many *attempts* mind you, for
about a thousand years plotting was practically a national past time for all
of those rich enough to have spare time in which to indulge in it and heirs,
siblings and other relatives bite the dust with distressing regularity
throughout history.


Recently - well people over here just don't do that sort of thing anymore,
the most they tend to do now is invade the House of Commons or throw purple
flour (or eggs at ministers). The only serious attempts at doing anything
that I can recall was the attempted kidnapping of Princess Anne in the 70s
and the bombing of the Brighton Grand. .

And I'm still unconvinced that the yearbook thing requires *any*
investigation - beyond the possible investigation of the person complaining
for wasting police time (or whatever you call wasting Secret Service time).
PLus how effective can all this investigation actally be when someone can
still get through and throw a grenade at the President?
 
 K

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May 27 07:16:23 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:16:23 -0000
Subject: Will the Madness ever end?
Message-ID: <d76hg7+sis1@eGroups.com>

Well, they are at it again, only this time instead of banning
'hoddies' the government is calling for complete ban on Kitchen knives
because they are potential weapons.

Key points
??? Doctors claim long kitchen knives serve no purpose except as weapons
??? 55 out of 108 homicide victims in Scotland were stabbed last year

Keep in mind that 55 out of 108 homicides were stabbing, but a much
smaller number actually involved the type of knives they want to ban.

Really this is well worth the read, and if it wasn't so sad, I might
actually be funny.

The Scotsman - "Doctors seek kitchen knife ban"
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=579102005

I'm so stunned by the absurdity of it, that I can't think of anything
to say.


One more note on the on-going 'Hoodie' crisis in the U.K.

BBC News - ' Hoodie ban for violent teenager'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/4583277.stm

Guardian Online- 'Court bans teenager from wearing hoodie'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,2763,1493423,00.html?gusrc=rss

"A teenager has been banned from wearing a hooded top or cap in public
for five years after terrorising residents in a Manchester suburb."

"The teenager attempted to hack down a CCTV lamppost with a chainsaw,
threw fireworks at cyclists, pulled someone from a bike and threatened
the person with an axe, and illegally drove a car on to a pavement and
down steps near the local pub."

Well, no hoodies or baseball caps, that certianly showed him. 

Steve/bboyminn





From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri May 27 07:19:01 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:19:01 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Assasinations and attitudes towards them
References: <00e501c56267$3f1f5a20$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <429691C3.000001.01740@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <00fa01c5628c$5bbbb960$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

K wrote:

<PLus how effective can all this
investigation actally be when someone
can
still get through and throw a grenade
at the President?>

Outside Secret Service jurisdiction,
which was the major problem.  They were
relying on the Georgian police (please
tell me I got the country right)
and...there was a screw up somewhere.

Outside the US the protection is
limited to the core agents in the
detail (those bodily surrounding the
President) and the country in
question's dignitary detail.

The FBI was later called in AFTER the
attack, freeing up the Secret Service
to go back to protecting the President
with their own investigation team
assisting.

Not to mention I dont' think there was
a warning before hand, as the only had
half the bullet proof glass up they
would have otherwise had, of course, if
the warning was credible, he wouldn't
have been there at all.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri May 27 07:28:54 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:28:54 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
In-Reply-To: <429685D8.000001.02000@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <429758D6.2753.C17525@localhost>

On 27 May 2005 at 3:28, Kathryn wrote:

> I wasn't disagreeing with their mandate so much as their definition of
> threat, which in this case would coincide with most reasonable
> people's definition of joke. Or at least would in the UK, I know you
> Americans are a tad bit more sensitive on these matters, but seriously
> if that were to be the worse thing anyone said about Blair this week
> (hell this hour!) he'd probably consider it to be cause for
> celebration.


The thing is Kathryn, telling the difference between a joke or other 
obvious non-threat, and a real threat can be *very* difficult.

Imagine - it's 1981. You're a Secret Service agent and a report comes 
to you of a man in a bar telling someone that he's going to shoot the 
President because he is in love with Jodie Foster, and he thinks that 
this will mean they can get married.

How seriously would you take that in terms of being a serious threat, 
you really need to worry about?

Probably not that seriously.

Yet, that is why John Hinckley, Jr shot Ronald Reagan in 1981 - and 
came very close to killing him.

Squeaky Fromme went to see Gerald Ford to try and persuade him to do 
something about the environment - and wound up trying to shoot him.

These people basic motivations don't sound like something you need to 
be worried about - and you don't in most cases - but you do need to 
check whether the person is stable or unstable. If they are stable - 
OK, don't worry.

If they are not, then *anything* can set some people off.

Personally, I am glad that they don't take these things that 
seriously where I am - because some of the things I said about our 
Premier when I was at school, might have got me in a lot of trouble.

And I was quite serious about what I was saying.

I did get to give the Prime Minister an electric shock once - that 
was fun (-8

You cannot tell the serious threats apart from the real ones - unless 
you look into them.

And people should be aware that in the UK, SO14 investigates threats 
against Her Majesty and other members of the Royal family, just as 
intensely as the Secret Service investigates threats against the US 
President. There are probably less threats - but they get taken very 
seriously.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/790000/images/_793548_bguard300.jpg

is a photo, I personally find quite interesting - I can remember when 
that happened, back in 1994 in Australia.

The Prince of Wales was speaking at an Australia Day function when a 
man ran at him firing shots.

It really drove home just how seriously security is taken. There was 
really no obvious security presence (and, in fact, in that photo, the 
men you can see in suits are, actually the then Premier of New South 
Wales, and the Australian of the Year for 1994! I don't know who the 
third man is - there was one very active bodyguard, Superintendent 
Colin Trimming, but he's off to the right of that photo putting 
himself between the Prince and the assailant - who, luckily, was 
firing blanks.

Within seconds of this happening (admittedly too late to do anything 
if the gun had been real), the stage was flooded with police and 
military coming in from all sides. The senior police who were on the 
stage as part of the official party also came forward - but they 
weren't there as security.

There's a surprising level around these people sometimes - you just 
often can't see it.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri May 27 07:35:34 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:35:34 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Will the Madness ever end?
In-Reply-To: <d76hg7+sis1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42975A66.15774.C78F67@localhost>

On 27 May 2005 at 7:16, Steve wrote:

> Well, they are at it again, only this time instead of banning
> 'hoddies' the government is calling for complete ban on Kitchen knives
> because they are potential weapons.

Ah - if you read the article it says some Doctors are calling for 
this ban. It doesn't say the government is.

There's a *huge* difference. You can find somebody, somewhere, 
calling for a ban on just about everything.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 07:37:12 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:37:12 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Assasinations and attitudes towards them
References: <00fa01c5628c$5bbbb960$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <4296CE28.000001.01720@KATHRYN>

 
Saitaina
 
Not to mention I dont' think there was
a warning before hand, as the only had
half the bullet proof glass up they
would have otherwise had, of course, if
the warning was credible, he wouldn't
have been there at all.
 


K

Which sort of makes the investigations of threats fairly pointless - most
serious assasins are not going to send the President a love note before hand
wrning him. It's up there with the questions you get from customs officials
- are you transporting anything illegal? Why yes I am, uh I mean no, of
course not officer .... What is the purpose of your visit to the country? I
was planning on blowing up the Houses of Parliament, be careful with the
blue bag please it's full of semtex ...

But yes alright I will admit it wasn't really within the Secret Service's
jurisdiction - but I doubt that argument would have been much comfort to
Shrub if he'd actually been blown up.

K

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 07:45:49 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:45:49 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
References: <429758D6.2753.C17525@localhost>
Message-ID: <4296D02D.000003.01720@KATHRYN>

 

The thing is Kathryn, telling the difference between a joke or other
obvious non-threat, and a real threat can be *very* difficult.
 

But when the threat in question is a caption in a high school year book I
think it actually is fairly obvious, especially since we're not even talking
about an outright threat but rather a parody of hat rather odd (well it
seems that way to me as a UK citizen, but then yearbooks are pretty odd to
me) tradition of giving kids in a graduating class "most Likely ..." titles

 

And people should be aware that in the UK, SO14 investigates threats
against Her Majesty and other members of the Royal family, just asintensely as the Secret Service investigates threats against the US
President. There are probably less threats - but they get taken very
seriously.




But again I think they would have to be actual threats directed towards the
Royal Family rather than one liners in a yearbook.


 
 I don't know who the
third man is - there was one very active bodyguard, Superintendent
Colin Trimming, but he's off to the right of that photo putting
himself between the Prince and the assailant - who, luckily, was
firing blanks.
 


And that's another big difference between UK Special Branch bodyguards and
the Secret Service actually (totally on a tangent). The US Secret Service
has a big 'intimidation' factor to their protection plan - lots of imposing
men in suits and sunglasses. Special Branch tends to work more on the
principle that if someone is shooting at your protectee you're probably
screwed anyway and focus a lot more on makinf sure precautions are in place
to try and make sure no threats can get anywhere near him/her. Both outlooks
have the problem that it's almost impossible to stop a lone nut with a gun,
especially if they're not all that bothered about their own survival.

K

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May 27 07:49:24 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:49:24 -0000
Subject: Will the Madness ever end?
In-Reply-To: <42975A66.15774.C78F67@localhost>
Message-ID: <d76je4+hko5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
> On 27 May 2005 at 7:16, Steve wrote:
> 
> > Well, they are at it again, only this time instead of banning
> > 'hoddies' the government is calling for complete ban on Kitchen
> > knives because they are potential weapons.

> 
> Ah - if you read the article it says some Doctors are calling for 
> this ban. It doesn't say the government is.
> 
> There's a *huge* difference. You can find somebody, somewhere, 
> calling for a ban on just about everything.
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately 

bboyminn:

Sorry Shaun, heat of the moment and all that you know. 

Doctors are very seriously calling for a ban on all /long pointed/
kitchen knives, long blunt bread knives would still be allowed.
Although, one government authority points out that a majority of
/kitchen/ knife attacks are done with knive that are closer to steak
knives.

These particular doctors are claiming that the typical 'chopping' type
kitchen knive is completely unnecessary.

The next step, is a law mandating that the only allowable kitchen
utensil will be the plastic 'spork'. 

Still, it is a bit of absurdity.

Steve/bboyminn





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 07:50:26 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:50:26 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Will the Madness ever end?
References: <42975A66.15774.C78F67@localhost>
Message-ID: <4296D142.000005.01720@KATHRYN>

 

 
There's a *huge* difference. You can find somebody, somewhere,
calling for a ban on just about everything.
  




Yep you're right it's not the government, they're calling *on* the
government. Quite different. But it's not just 'some doctors' it's some big
professional body of doctors (I forget which one though).

And they only want to ban really big kitchen knives with sharp points - they
even consulted a group of chefs apparently, who told them that big knives
don't need points because anything requiring a point xan be done with a
small knife. Their point being if you stab someone with a short bladed knife
you're unlikely to damage anything vital. Of course I suspect that if they
succeed then the number of fatla knife wounds will decrease - and the number
of fatal scissor wounds and head wounds from being hit with big saucepans
etc etc will increase. It does seem rather a defeatist attitude though - we
re incapable of decreasing domestic violence so lets invest our time and
energy into banning knives instead ...

K

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From sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 27 08:09:55 2005
From: sandra87b at yahoo.co.uk (Sandra Collins)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:09:55 -0000
Subject: Your stupidity pains me
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005052617237e15a60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d76kkj+kbrn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret 
<bunniqula at g...> wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm tired... and I really do need to work on 
being nice but... I've had one too many instances of 'your stupidity 
pains me' today.  Wizards aren't the only ones lacking in logic 
and common sense.  Then there are these completely 
half-baked theories... like Narcissa Malfoy being a muggleborn 
just so Draco can be the Half Blood Prince?
I don't want to be 'elitist', but for the love of [insert your choice
of 
deity]... {shakes head and then takes a deep breath}  I'm going to 
take a nap.
> 
> Dina

Hello sleepy Dina, the theorising and in-depth analysis of areas 
that have been done to death already (on the Potter For 
Grownups site) can be staggering (and plain disturbing) at times 
which is why I visit lots of different book sites to talk about lots
of 
differtent books. My collection has grown considerably and I've 
found authors and titles I would never have otherwise known!

Sandra (with toooo many books to read these days!)






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri May 27 08:15:48 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:15:48 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
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K wrote:

<The US Secret Service
has a big 'intimidation' factor to
their protection plan - lots of
imposing
men in suits and sunglasses.>

Well...yeah.  They have to be
intimidating, they're fighting a lost
cause honestly.  For nearly every
president we have had...someone's tried
to kill them.  They may not have made
it out of the planning stage, but
that's a high rate of attempts to be
fighting against.  Intimidation is part
of their plan to weed out the people
who want President X dead...but REALLY
don't want to die themselves.

It's only the truly
insane/desperate/dedicated/suicidal
that go against that many armed agents
in plain sight.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri May 27 08:19:20 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:19:20 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Will the Madness ever end?
References: <d76je4+hko5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012901c56294$c87dd9e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Steve/bboyminn wrote:

<The next step, is a law mandating that
the only allowable kitchen
utensil will be the plastic 'spork'.>

You can kill someone with a spork
though.  Won't tell you HOW, but it has
been turned into a weapon.

Of course, nearly every kitchen item
can be used to fatal ends if you try
hard enough...though it's been a while
since I heard about a murder via paper
towel.

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri May 27 08:23:52 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:23:52 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
In-Reply-To: <4296D02D.000003.01720@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <429765B8.29686.F3C526@localhost>

On 27 May 2005 at 8:45, Kathryn wrote:

> 
> 
> The thing is Kathryn, telling the difference between a joke or other
> obvious non-threat, and a real threat can be *very* difficult.
> 
> 
> But when the threat in question is a caption in a high school year
> book I think it actually is fairly obvious, especially since we're not
> even talking about an outright threat but rather a parody of hat
> rather odd (well it seems that way to me as a UK citizen, but then
> yearbooks are pretty odd to me) tradition of giving kids in a
> graduating class "most Likely ..." titles

Would you want to be the Agent who decided that the threat was 
obviously a joke, when someone gets shot?

You have to investigate, just to make sure.

Seriously - if Hinckley had been investigated properly (and he should 
have been), Reagan wouldn't have been shot. With some of the others, 
there was no real indications to spark an investigation - in his 
case, there were.

With modern protocols, there's even a fairly good chance, Oswald 
would have been identified back in 1963 (man who had defected to the 
Soviet Union, and who was trained as a rifleman working in building 
overlooking parade route - today that would probably spark an 
investigation - and 999 times out of 1000, they'd find there was 
nothing to worry about).

Also remember that even an Agent looking at the yearbook and saying 
"This is a joke" counts as an investigation, and if he's going to do 
that, he may as well do it properly.
 
> And people should be aware that in the UK, SO14 investigates threats
> against Her Majesty and other members of the Royal family, just
> asintensely as the Secret Service investigates threats against the US
> President. There are probably less threats - but they get taken very
> seriously.
> 
> But again I think they would have to be actual threats directed
> towards the Royal Family rather than one liners in a yearbook.

I'd say they'd be treated exactly the same way - again, would you 
want to be the senior officer at SO14 who is explaining to the Home 
Secretary that the Queen has been shot - but if you'd had the same 
protocols as the *Americans* it might not have happened?

They do things differently, certainly, but these things are always 
taken seriously.

I work in an area where we have to work under similar constraints, 
though mine is in a different field. 95% of the work I do deal with 
problems that turn out not to be real. That's the way it works in 
just about any safety relaated field if you have the budget you need.

(Sometimes people in my office are actually drafted across to assist 
with VIP protection issues, but that's never actually happened to me -
 we're close enough to it, that we can be of assistance).
> 
>  I don't know who the
> third man is - there was one very active bodyguard, Superintendent
> Colin Trimming, but he's off to the right of that photo putting
> himself between the Prince and the assailant - who, luckily, was
> firing blanks.
> 
> And that's another big difference between UK Special Branch bodyguards
> and the Secret Service actually (totally on a tangent). The US Secret
> Service has a big 'intimidation' factor to their protection plan -
> lots of imposing men in suits and sunglasses. Special Branch tends to
> work more on the principle that if someone is shooting at your
> protectee you're probably screwed anyway and focus a lot more on
> makinf sure precautions are in place to try and make sure no threats
> can get anywhere near him/her. Both outlooks have the problem that
> it's almost impossible to stop a lone nut with a gun, especially if
> they're not all that bothered about their own survival.

OK - first of all, just for clarity. Royal Protection is provided by 
SO14, not Special Branch (SO12). SO12 does provide security for non-
Royals in some cases.

Secondly, the Secret Service concentrates a great deal on prevention 
and precautions rather than just obvious point protection. They do 
have a bit more focus on the latter, but that is partly because of 
the different nature of who they are protecting. Royal functions are 
non-political (in the sense that they don't have to run for office) 
and are normally planned months in advance - lots of time to secure 
the area. While quite a few Presidential functions are scheduled in 
the same way, the political nature of the Presidency means that there 
are more spontaneous events where preparations were done much more 
quickly.

Also, often members of the Royal Family do have very obvious 
protection. Other times it is part of the scenery - the clearest 
example of this may be back in 1981 when blanks were fired at the 
Queen during Trooping of the Colour.  The man in question was grabbed 
by one of the many guardsmen on the route (Lance Corporal Alex 
Galloway). The following day, the Prince of Wales found himself being 
followed around by around 50 uniformed police officers at an event.

Intimidation works sometimes - whether you use it depends on 
circumstances. The US Secret Service tends to use it all the time, 
partly because if they didn't, people might realise that there's a 
specific problem when they did.

There's also differences caused by who people are sometimes - there 
are persistent rumours that when it was decided there needed to be 
more security near the Queen during the Jubilee Concert a few years 
ago, it was decided to arm the Prince of Wales and the Duke of York 
who would be sitting near her, kind of as a last line of defence. 
Both are very well trained with weapons. Whether this is true or not, 
is anyones guess.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri May 27 08:34:58 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:34:58 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
In-Reply-To: <011d01c56294$4ac60360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <42976852.13264.FDF03D@localhost>

On 27 May 2005 at 1:15, Saitaina wrote:

> K wrote:
> 
> <The US Secret Service
> has a big 'intimidation' factor to
> their protection plan - lots of
> imposing
> men in suits and sunglasses.>
> 
> Well...yeah.  They have to be
> intimidating, they're fighting a lost
> cause honestly.  For nearly every
> president we have had...someone's tried
> to kill them.  They may not have made
> it out of the planning stage, but
> that's a high rate of attempts to be
> fighting against.  Intimidation is part
> of their plan to weed out the people
> who want President X dead...but REALLY
> don't want to die themselves.
> 
> It's only the truly
> insane/desperate/dedicated/suicidal
> that go against that many armed agents
> in plain sight.

Yep - and here's an example of a successful intimidation - bear in 
mind that in most cases nothing would happen, so nobody would ever 
know a person had been deterred.

Australia has had relatively little in the way of political violence -
 but one reasonably prominent case occurred in 1966. The then-Leader 
of the Federal Opposition Arthur Calwell was shot at in Sydney - 
fortunately for Calwell, the weapon was only low calibre and was 
deflected by the windshield of his car - he was quite badly cut by 
flying glass.

The person who shot him was a mentally unbalanced 19 year old named 
Peter Kocan - who wanted to be famous and decided to emulate Lee 
Harvey Oswald. Kocan originally planned to shoot Lyndon Johnson 
during a visit to Australia - but he saw the level of security on 
television and decided that he wouldn't be able to succeed.

So he went for a softer target.

(Kocan, by the way, is now a reasonably prominent writer and poet).



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri May 27 09:29:36 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:29:36 -0000
Subject: Will the Madness ever end?
In-Reply-To: <012901c56294$c87dd9e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d76pa0+fkql@eGroups.com>

Saitaina wrote:
 
> Of course, nearly every kitchen item
> can be used to fatal ends if you try
> hard enough...though it's been a while
> since I heard about a murder via paper
> towel.

Fold a brown one into the shape of a pretzel.

David, boggling at the thought of Chazza and Randy Andy going for the 
terrorist all guns blazing





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 27 12:16:54 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:16:54 -0000
Subject: Will the Madness ever end?
In-Reply-To: <012901c56294$c87dd9e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d7733m+jgku@eGroups.com>

Steve:
> <The next step, is a law mandating that
> the only allowable kitchen
> utensil will be the plastic 'spork'.>

Saitaina:
> You can kill someone with a spork
> though.  Won't tell you HOW, but it has
> been turned into a weapon.
 

SSSusan:
LOL!  Any "Alias" watchers amongst us?  There was an episode this 
season in which the Good Guys needed the retina of a (dead) bad guy to 
bypass security... and guess what the only instrument available to do 
the dirty deed of eye removal was? ;-)  

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri May 27 13:20:19 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:20:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Will the Madness ever end?
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	 <012901c56294$c87dd9e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
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On 5/27/05, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> You can kill someone with a spork
> though.  Won't tell you HOW, but it has
> been turned into a weapon.

Wouldn't surprise me.  Hehe, I'm reminded of the episode of Oz where a
rubber ducky aided in the murder of a guy.  So much for Mr. Weasley's
"what is the function of a rubber duck".

Back to sporks, when you're really hard up for a knife to cut a
'cheap' meal, they do work.


> Of course, nearly every kitchen item
> can be used to fatal ends if you try
> hard enough...though it's been a while
> since I heard about a murder via paper
> towel.

Suffocation via paper towel.

Dina



From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri May 27 14:02:33 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:02:33 -0000
Subject: Assasinations and attitudes towards them
In-Reply-To: <429691C3.000001.01740@KATHRYN>
Message-ID: <d7799p+k36m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>  
> While this can never compare
> to the number of Kings/Queens/PM's that
> may have been killed in the UK's
> history, we have a short history and a
> great many attempts.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Actually I'm not entirely sure that's true. There really haven't 
been all
> that many Kings die unnatural deaths (and no Queens) and only one 
Prime
> Minister has ever been assasinated. Heck I'm a medieval historian 
(and that
> s the period that is probably most bloody) and I can still count on 
one hand
> the number of monarchs that I can remember who have been killed. 
Going back
> from the present day the first one I can think of is Charles I (and 
that was
> a judicial execution), Richard III, Princes in the Tower, Edward II 
(death
> arranged by his wife through judicial application of a red hot poker
> somewhere unpleasent), Harold ... Seriously going all the way back 
to 1066
> that's all that spring to mind - who have I missed, anyone? I think 
I'm
> missing one of the Henrys, am I?
> 

You may thinking of Henry VI, who was murdered in the Tower of London 
on May 21 1471 (some years after being deposed), by none other than 
the Duke of Gloucester, the future King Richard III. Shakespeare has 
Richard commit the crime himself; more likely, Richard "merely" 
supervised the execution.

There's also Richard II, though he too was no longer the King when he 
died under murky and mysterious circumstances while imprisoned at 
Yorkshire. Shakespeare has him murdered by Sir Piers of Exton acting 
under what he believed to be instructions of Henry Bolingbroke - (aka 
Henry IV, Richard's succcessor) - though the Shakespearean Henry 
publicly disassociates himself from the rank deed ("plausible 
deniability" is a venerable concept).  Most historians believe that 
Richard either went on a hunger strike or was starved to death by his 
captors. For years afterwards, there were rumors that he escaped, and 
secretly plotted to take back the throne.

   - CMC 





From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri May 27 14:38:14 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:38:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Talking of losing perspective ....
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050527143814.29063.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Kathryn  wrote:
 
I still can't understand how the UK election ended the way it did but then
since we had a choice between the political equivalent of  cheshire cat (I
swear that grin remains behind long after he's left), an overgrown vampire
bat and that wee red man with the cute baby I guess I shouldn't be surprised

Lynn:
 
The UK election didn't surprise me at all.  I saw a billboard which said "Don't vote for Labour, Wake up with Michael Howard."   The Conservatives should have picked a better leader since Michael Howard is scary.  The wee red man with the cute baby face isn't scary, I just haven't figured out the Lib Dems platform.  So, that leaves you with the Chesire Cat.  The question is whether there is someone in the Labour Party right now who can unify the party before it sinks.
 
Then again, I'm still stumped that not enough Americans were smart enough to see through the Republican rhetoric and that Bush is still in office - more dangerous than he was before.
 
*going off to get a few Advil cuz politics gives me a headache*
 


 

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From heidi at heidi8.com  Fri May 27 14:48:49 2005
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:48:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Assasinations and attitudes towards them
In-Reply-To: <d7799p+k36m@eGroups.com>
References: <d7799p+k36m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1117205333.422F2ED@bb12.dngr.org>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn" <kcawte at n...> wrote:
>>
>>  While this can never compare
>>  to the number of Kings/Queens/PM's that
>>  may have been killed in the UK's
>>  history, we have a short history and a
>>  great many attempts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Actually I'm not entirely sure that's true. There really haven't
> been all
>>  that many Kings die unnatural deaths (and no Queens) and only one
> Prime
>>  Minister has ever been assasinated. Heck I'm a medieval historian
> (and that
>>  s the period that is probably most bloody) and I can still count on
> one hand
>>  the number of monarchs that I can remember who have been killed.

It all depends on who you deem a monarch, and that's setting aside the 
executions of two of Henry VIII's wives. Jane Grey, who was queen for 
nine days, was executed under Mary's orders, and Mary Queen of Scots was 
also killed, although more per Elizabeth I's orders.

And, of course, Diana was certainly killed, although whether it was an 
accident or, as conspiracy theorists would have you believe, as a result 
of a plotted murder is fodder for said theorists.



From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri May 27 15:01:47 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Will the Madness ever end?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050527150147.65595.qmail@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve  wrote:
 
Well, they are at it again, only this time instead of banning
'hoddies' the government is calling for complete ban on Kitchen knives
because they are potential weapons.

Key points
??? Doctors claim long kitchen knives serve no purpose except as weapons

<SNIP>

"A teenager has been banned from wearing a hooded top or cap in public
for five years after terrorising residents in a Manchester suburb."

Well, no hoodies or baseball caps, that certianly showed him. 


Lynn:
 
First to the doctors:  They can have my kitchen knife when they can pry it from my dead cold and.  Outlaw knives and only outlaws will have knives. 
 
To the government:  You can have my hoodie when you pry it from my dead cold head.  Outlaw hoodies and only outlaws will have hoodies.
 
Same rhetoric, different verse.
 
I'm not surprised.  After all, I found there are people in the UK who think the citizens are so unintelligent that they have banned electrical outlets in bathrooms.  Seems they are afraid people will take a shower while using a blow dryer.  Yes, I know there are people who do stupid things but why try to save them?  Let them eliminate themselves from the gene pool.
 
*missing her electric socket in the bathroom*


 

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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Fri May 27 16:08:05 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Assasinations and attitudes towards them
References: <1117205333.422F2ED@bb12.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <429745E5.000001.00760@KATHRYN>

 Heidi

It all depends on who you deem a monarch, and that's setting aside the
executions of two of Henry VIII's wives. Jane Grey, who was queen for
nine days, was executed under Mary's orders, and Mary Queen of Scots was
also killed, although more per Elizabeth I's orders.
 
And, of course, Diana was certainly killed, although whether it was an
accident or, as conspiracy theorists would have you believe, as a result
of a plotted murder is fodder for said theorists.
 
 K

Lady Jane Grey would sort of count I guess - she was Queen, sort of I guess.
But I was talking about actual Monarchs (I did mention the frequency of
their relatives dying) and so wives of Kings definitely don't count. And I
was only talking English Kings and Queens because the on;y thing I know
about Scottish History is that if a Monarch actually managed to live long
enough to die a natural death then they should probably be given a medal.
Besides unless you live in Scotland you don't learn about Scottish history
in this country except where it intersects English History, which generally
means those periods of history where we're invading them. Obviousl once you
get to James I of England Scottish monarchs and English Monarchs are the
same anyway.

Again Diana, not a monarch, so it doesn't count and I wasn't listing
unnatural deaths just assassinations/murders/executions and until there's
some actual proof I wouldn't put Diana in that category. If you want to
include all deaths not of natural causes I would have had to include a heck
of a lot more - including William the Conquerer who was injured when his
horse reared and he was struck in the stomach with the pommel of his saddle
(allegedly the injury caused him to swell so much that when they tried to
put him in his stone coffin he exploded). William II (William of Orange)
fell from his horse when it tripped on a molehill and died of his injuries -
Jacobites used to drink to 'the gentleman in the brown velvet' meaning the
mole who 'assassinated' their enemy .... etc etc


K




 
 
 
 

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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Fri May 27 21:19:43 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:19:43 -0000
Subject: Will the Madness ever end?
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050527062015de0e5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d782tf+hcqc@eGroups.com>

> > Saity wrote:
> > You can kill someone with a spork
> > though.  Won't tell you HOW, but it has
> > been turned into a weapon.
> > Of course, nearly every kitchen item
> > can be used to fatal ends if you try
> > hard enough...though it's been a while
> > since I heard about a murder via paper
> > towel.
> >
> Dina replied:
> Suffocation via paper towel.

The members of this group should develop and market a new version 
of "Clue" using only cooking references, and kitchen items as murder 
weapons, i.e.,
Chef Mustard in the walk-in freezer with a turkey baster.
Chef Plum in the pantry with a cheese grater.
MsTattersall







From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri May 27 23:02:23 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:02:23 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Will the Madness ever end?
References: <d782tf+hcqc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01c601c56310$25247520$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

MsTattersall wrote:

<The members of this group should
develop and market a new version
of "Clue" using only cooking
references, and kitchen items as murder
weapons, i.e.,
Chef Mustard in the walk-in freezer
with a turkey baster.
Chef Plum in the pantry with a cheese
grater.>

Chef Scarlet, in the herb garden with a
spatula.

And that's about all my tired brain can
come up with at the moment. :o)

Oh!  Off subject but my name change
went through.  So now everyone can
officially call me Saitaina (Sait,
Saity) without problem (like this has
ever been one).

Saitaina
****
"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

"If you're going to sing in the shower,
don't start with a song that begins
with 'help'."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina


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From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat May 28 20:57:20 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 20:57:20 -0000
Subject: Have you read 'Bartimaeus Trilogy'?
In-Reply-To: <d36hpp+o4pk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7alvg+no9m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Saw this book in the store the other day, and wonder if it was any 
good?
> 
> It's about an 11 year-old magician (not the stage kind) who is 
learing magic, and is constantly tormented by his archenemy 
Samarkand.
> 
>Snip< 
> Also, I've only see two volumes availabe. Is that correct, the 
third volume hasn't been written yet?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 
> Volume 1 - The Amulet of Samarkand (author - Jonathan Stroud)
> Volume 2 - The Golem's Eye
> Volume 3 - ?

*****\(@@)/*****

Good news! I was looking for something else in books on Amazon and 
came across the Bartimaeus Trilogy and they have the 3rd book named.
It will be: The Other Place and it showed the audio book published 
1/10/2006 and you can pre order it now, so I would imagine the book 
itself will show up right about the same time or just before. They 
don't have the book listed yet but I have seen them do this before 
so it should show up soon.

Looks like it will be a good year for books and adventure games all 
the way around! Next month the new Jasper Fforde book The Big Over 
Easy: A Nursery Crime comes out and Rhem 2 game and HBP! My summer 
is complete!

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat May 28 22:11:18 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:11:18 -0400
Subject: Dealnews Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Borders' coupon for HBP
In-Reply-To: <20050526194758.3315.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050526194758.3315.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050528151153208a0d@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/26/05, Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I haven't reserved my copy yet, either, so I'd love to hear what other
> deals you come up with.

I thought it not bad, if you want both regular and deluxe HBP...
Y'know, reserve the regular and get the deluxe at 25% off, if
available.

I spotted it on http://dealnews.com/ which also links to dealcoupon.com

Today, I was looking at their 'cheap gas' service from Google.  Last
week, I saved $125 on shelving from Staples by combining an online
coupon and customer deals.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat May 28 22:35:19 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:35:19 -0000
Subject: Dealnews Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Borders' coupon for HBP
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050528151153208a0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d7arn7+75qc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...>
wrote:

> I thought it not bad, if you want both regular and deluxe HBP...
> Y'know, reserve the regular and get the deluxe at 25% off, if
> available.

Oops, my bad!  I meant the audio version of HBP (Borders: $45 - B&N:
$52.50).  If you want the deluxe HBP, go with Barnes&Noble out of the
two 'biggie bookstores'.

Dina






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 29 00:26:56 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:26:56 -0000
Subject: silliness re: cwt / city names / politics / 'Clue',
Message-ID: <d7b28g+4me4@eGroups.com>

David Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27348 :

<< To add to the comments already made, one can come across hands,
fathoms, chains, furlongs, nautical miles, astronomical units, light-
years, and parsecs in various contexts. Not to mention that supreme
invention of the underwater acoustics community, the kiloyard. And
that's just for length. >>

December 2000 SCI AM Letter to the Editor:
<< I service and restore MG sports cars and older British vehicles,
all of which use a complex conglomeration of obsolete units, from
measuring the capacity of the sump (imperial gallons), to determining
the 'kerbside' weight of the vehicle (cwts of hundredweights), to the
purchase price (Lsd). So perplexing are these overlapped measurement,
together with American, British, and French metric thread forms, that
a novice is quickly humbled. I love to zap our new employees with the
question: Approximately how many hundredweights in a moon unit?" A
clue to the (non-automotive) answer: word four in the preceeding
sentence. -- John H. Twist, Ann Arbor, Michigan >>

I still remember how that Letter sent me to onelook for definition of
'hundredweight', which turned out to be: 
# a British unit of weight equivalent to 112 pounds. This definition
apparently dates from about the middle of the 1300's. The British
hundredweight was divided into 4 quarters of 28 pounds, 8 stone  of 14
pounds, or 16 cloves of 7 pounds each.
# a United States unit of weight equivalent to 100 pounds
# a unit of weight equal to 100 kilograms 
# Prior to the 15th century in England, a hundredweight used the old
hundred of 108 lb

Dave Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27355 :

<< http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4579905.stm

This article annoys me. I don't mind the name changes which are the
main topic, it's the lack of feel for language.

Below is the comment which I refrained from sending to the BBC:

"Only a person with a tin ear could imagine that Kolkata is a name
change rather than tidying up the spelling. Is there any chance of
the BBC employing correspondents who understand the topics they are
writing about?"

Really, isn't it obvious that Bombay and Mumbai are the *same name*?
Likewise Constantinople and Istanbul. As such the case of Pretoria
and Tshwane is rather different. >>

I hope the BBC radio reporters have an ear for language, but print
(text) reporters need only an eye for language. On the radio, the name
is the spoken pronunciation and spelling changes aren't a big deal. In
text, the name is the character string and the pronunciation hardly
matters at all.

It wasn't obvious to me even that Bombai and Mumbai are the same name,
much less Constantinople and Istanbul. In my junior high, our
substitute teacher was Mrs. Charvonia, an immigrant from Greece. One
time she explained the name Istanbul; she told us that Turks asked
people: "Where are you going?" and the people said: "To the city"
(which I can't remember except of course 'city' is 'polis') and Turks
thought was the name of the city, and they pronounced it in
abbreviated way, so the 'bul' is 'polis', but I don't remember the
rest.

One of the replies on that BBC page is from 'Simon, Herts, UK'. I
wonder if that is our Simon who was an early if not founding member of
the Main List and a founding moderator of Fiction Alley.

The article mentioned St Petersberg, reminding me of an old joke from
the Cold War. A school kid is interviewing an old man, maybe his
grandfather:

Q: Where were you born?
A: St Petersberg.
Q: Where did you go to school?
A: Petrograd.
Q: Where do you live now?
A: Leningrad.
Q: Where do you want to live?
A: St Petersberg!

K Cawte wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27358 :

<< *Screaming Lord Such for PM!* >>

I thought dead people weren't eligible.

Ms Tattersall wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27383 :

<< The members of this group should develop and market a new version
of "Clue" using only cooking references, and kitchen items as murder
weapons, i.e.,
Chef Mustard in the walk-in freezer with a turkey baster.
Chef Plum in the pantry with a cheese grater. >>

Only if we can add a complication in the form of a deck of cards, each
of which names a British food, and players must draw a card and define
that food to Americans.





From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Sun May 29 00:52:57 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:52:57 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] silliness re: cwt / city names / politics / 'Clue',
References: <d7b28g+4me4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <42991269.000001.01912@KATHRYN>

 

K Cawte wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/27358 :
 
<< *Screaming Lord Such for PM!* >>
 
Catlady pointed out -

I thought dead people weren't eligible.
  
 

K

*shrugs* I didn't know he name of the new leader and besides Sutch is much
more well known (and I think even dead he could do a better job than most
current politicians). The current leader, if anyone cares, is apparently
Howling Laud Hope (the webpage spells it both Laud & Lord but Laud occurs
more often)

K

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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May 29 04:02:11 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 29 May 2005 04:02:11 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1117339331.21.50749.m26@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 29, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May 29 15:02:11 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 29 May 2005 15:02:11 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1117378931.16.70281.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, May 29, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as
long as people want it to last.  To get there, go into any Yahoo
chat room and type: /join HP:1 then click 'enter'.

Hope to see you there! 

 





From ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 09:54:37 2005
From: ajhuflpuf at yahoo.com (A.J.)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:54:37 -0000
Subject: And now for something totally different (and trivial)
Message-ID: <d7enst+8shc@eGroups.com>

I saw _Phantom of the Opera_.  I noticed that most of what you see of 
the phantom is handsome around his mask, until the point where the 
mask is removed-- then suddenly the parts around the mask that were 
fine beforehand, now are ugly.  (His eye was fine under the mask, and 
his ear, and his hair, etc...)  Do they think we don't notice?  (This 
wasn't even listed as an error on web sites, I see.)  Anyhow, here was 
a chance to vent, even if just about makeup consistency.  

Trivially,

A.J.





From punkieshazam at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 20:14:49 2005
From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:14:49 -0000
Subject: Will the Madness ever end?
In-Reply-To: <012901c56294$c87dd9e0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <d7fs7p+5n9v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> 
wrote:
> Steve/bboyminn wrote:
> 
> <The next step, is a law mandating that
> the only allowable kitchen
> utensil will be the plastic 'spork'.>

They can take my chef's knife from me when they pry it from my cold, 
dead fingers.

Punkie






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 22:06:57 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:06:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jonathan Stroud: another book... And other thoughts
Message-ID: <20050530220657.18762.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>

I just finished reading 'Buried Fire'.  A good read.  I'm going on the wait list at my library for his other book, 'Leap'.  I liked the protagonist better than Nathaniel from the Bartimaeus Trilogy, but I hope Nathaniel becomes less power-focused.
 
While I thought 'Eragon' was a titch boring of a read, much like LoR, I thought the story was clever, much like LoR.  (I didn't realize the ring was destroyed and had to reread a few paragraphs; 'The Hobbit' however, was quite an engaging book.)  Paolini was young when he wrote 'Eragon' so the writing is forgivable.  Therefore, I will give 'Eldest' a go later this summer.  But it is suppose to be about 700 pages, that seems like a lot.  I hope he's had time to edit out the dull and edit in the soul.
 
Those looking for big person book, I stratosphere-highly recommend Youth in Revolt by C.D. Payne.  One of the funniest books I've ever read, but I had to read it with a good dictionary.  It's told through the journals of a 14-year-old, high IQ boy.  Hilarity.
 
Finally saw Star Wars.  G. Lucas is now redeemed in my eyes.  'Narnia' was one of the trailers.  It looks good, but was hoping for a GF trailer on the big screen.
 
Kemper

		
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From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 23:46:17 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:46:17 -0000
Subject: Snape & Trelawney
Message-ID: <d7g8k9+id3t@eGroups.com>

So yesterday I watched this movie Actually Love, and Alan Rickman is 
there, he plays Emma Thompson's wife... And I was just imaginig Snape 
and Trelawney in bed together and i couldn't help myself but to laugh 
out loud... just picture the both of them together... made you smile, 
right?

Juli





From shalimar07 at aol.com  Tue May 31 02:21:55 2005
From: shalimar07 at aol.com (shalimar07 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:21:55 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snape & Trelawney
Message-ID: <1e0.3d54c58d.2fcd2443@aol.com>

I love that movie.  The first time I saw it I was going through a hard  time 
with my family.  It was the first time in weeks I'd actually laughed  and 
cried in the same movie.  Gotta love Alan Rickman and Emma Thompson  although I 
was really mad at his character!
Shalimar


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May 31 06:44:59 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 06:44:59 -0000
Subject: Jonathan Stroud: another book... And other thoughts
In-Reply-To: <20050530220657.18762.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d7h15b+bju8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> I just finished reading 'Buried Fire'.  A good read. I'm going on 
> the wait list at my library for his other book, 'Leap'.  I liked 
> the protagonist better than Nathaniel from the Bartimaeus Trilogy, 
> but I hope Nathaniel becomes less power-focused.
>  

bboyminn:

Yes, Nathaniel (John Mandrake) has a lot to learn about life, much
like Artemis Fowl, but I think the point of the story is that
Nathaniel will indeed gain more depth and compassion as a human being. 

In the last book (The Golem's Eye), he learned very much that the
world does not fit his idealistic view. Wizards are by no means the
superior beings he had been lead to believe, and he learned that the
common people are not the mindless cattle he imagined. Despite the
fact that Bartimaeus is a form of demon, I think, in the long run, he
will be a very good influence on Nathaniel. 

Although, given that two of the three books in the series are already
in print, I find it hard to believe the story can be wrapped up in
only one more book. Perhaps the story isn't as complex and deep as I
think it is. But I do agree that Nathaniel in his present state is an
unpleasant piece of work.


> Kemper continues:
>
> While I thought 'Eragon' was a titch boring of a read, much like 
> LoR, I thought the story was clever, much like LoR.  (.. 'The 
> Hobbit' however, was quite an engaging book.)  Paolini was young 
> when he wrote 'Eragon' so the writing is forgivable. Therefore, I 
> will give 'Eldest' a go later this summer.  But it is suppose to be 
> about 700 pages, that seems like a lot.  I hope he's had time to 
> edit out the dull and edit in the soul.
>  

bboyminn:

Isn't that strange. It's interesting how we all react to books
differently. I found 'Eragon' thoroughly captiving. I don't see how it
could be dull when the action never seems to stop. I will however
admit that the author's immaturity both as a person and as a writer is
evident, but that is a VERY small aspect. It's a thrilling story
filled with action and adventure, as well as interesting characters.
Personally, I'm betting Murtag is Eragon's long lost brother; same
mother, different fathers. I've already read it twice, and listened to
the books on CD this weekend (over 16 hours).

I haven't read 'Lord of the Rings' but after seeing the movies, I
think I could probably now read and enjoy it. However, years ago I
tried to read 'The Hobbit' at the enthusiastic recommendation of
friends. But it was crushingly dull; page after page after page and
nothing happens. Finally, I gave up. 

Plus, and this was also a drawback to 'Eragon', since it takes place
in a fictional/mythical place there are all these odd people and place
names, it drove me nuts. I could never remember them which made it
difficult to follow the story. 'Eragon' was not quite as bad, because
at any given time you are dealing with a limited number of people and
places. So, while I did have some problems (slightly dyslexic), I was
able to enjoy the story.

> Kemper concludes:
>
> Those looking for big person book, I stratosphere-highly recommend
> Youth in Revolt by C.D. Payne.  One of the funniest books I've ever 
> read, but I had to read it with a good dictionary.  It's told 
> through the journals of a 14-year-old, high IQ boy.  Hilarity.
> ...  
>  
> Kemper

bboyminn:

I was suprise and pleased to see that 'Youth in Revolt' was compared
to 'The Confederacy of Dunces' and referred to as 'one of those rare
works of comic precision'. That is high praise indeed.

I see that a sequel exists called 'Revolting Youth'. Have you read that?

Also, 'Buried Fire' and 'Leap' are those books by Stroud, or some
other author?

Always interesting to see another perspective.

Steve/bboyminn





From rmshowley at yahoo.com  Tue May 31 17:26:31 2005
From: rmshowley at yahoo.com (rmshowley)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:31 -0000
Subject: HP fans in San Diego
Message-ID: <d7i6o7+u4j4@eGroups.com>

> I'm a staff writer at The San Diego Union-Tribune 
preparing a story  to tie into the release of HP6 and am seeking avid 
HP readers who I can interview. Please respond to my business email 
at roger.showley at uniontrib.com
The focus of the story is the unique appeal of HP to 
young readers, teens and adults; the books have been out long enough 
for today's graduating high school seniors to have begun reading them 
in the fourth or fifth grade and I would like to talk to a 
couple of them. 
Related to that is the question of what else this age 
group reads and what influence HP books have had on their general 
reading habits. 
> A colleague is writing a broader story on the subject of 
summer reading habits and reading lists issued by their English 
teachers. How come kids don't like those reading lists, full of 
'classics' that were popular a century ago? And why are HP and other 
modern fantasies that have been well received by critics on the 
lists? 
We're also interested in the opinion of school and public 
librarians and English teachers. 
If you fit any of these categories, please email back 
ASAP.
 Thanks much.
Roger Showley, staff writer, 
The San Diego Union-Tribune







From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Tue May 31 18:22:21 2005
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP fans in San Diego
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050531182221.99246.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

rmshowley <rmshowley at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
<snip> How come kids don't like those reading lists, full of 
'classics' that were popular a century ago? 
 
 
Lynn:
 
Just curious, by show of hands, how popular were those summer reading lists with the kids way back when?  While I always got the reading lists, I don't remember being particularly happy to be reading Old Man and The Sea, Moby Dick and the Scarlet Letter when I preferred to be swimming and riding my bike.  
 
Then again, maybe it was just me.  I think the popularlity wasn't with the kids but with the teachers.  I won't even include the parents as my mom probably got real tired of the whining about having to read when the sun was shining and we wanted to play.
 
While many of those same classics have captured my imagination as an adult, they did nothing for me as a teen.  Perhaps that's why there are new reading lists, instead of all classics which didn't necessarily connect with teens, HP and others appeal to a teens imagination.


 

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From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Tue May 31 18:31:46 2005
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:31:46 -0000
Subject: Talking of losing perspective .... / Other news
In-Reply-To: <d75qfh+sfub@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7iaii+4q1s@eGroups.com>

> David: 
> You've got to love the way Yahoo provide a special link to search 
> for news stories about President Bush, just in case you weren't 
> quite sure who he is.  

LOL, in case it's not too easy to find stories about him, eh?

> Now, let me see, U.S.A., that stands for, um, Union of 
> Socialist..., no, hang on, I'll get it in a minute...

Ha!  Oh, the acronyms this group could come up with... ;-)

I looked at the headlines below that article, noticed this one:

http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=3405293

Utter rat of an ex, but I'm wondering if this could mean anything 
for the average Yah user...

--Kelley





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue May 31 19:42:10 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:42:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP fans in San Diego
In-Reply-To: <20050531182221.99246.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050531182221.99246.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a273840050531124215a02274@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/31/05, Ladi lyndi <ladilyndi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> rmshowley <rmshowley at yahoo.com> wrote:
> <snip> How come kids don't like those reading lists, full of
> 'classics' that were popular a century ago?
> 
> Lynn:
> Just curious, by show of hands, how popular were those summer reading lists with the kids way back when?

I believe the 'popular' is referencing frequency of assignment
(teacher/adult preferences) and not necessarily popular among kids. 
Regardless, what was popular a century ago didn't remain so, and I
also believe it'd be difficult for many to answer this question since
we weren't kids a century ago. ;-)  Possibly, more could answer from
experience about what was popular 1-5 decades ago.


> While many of those same classics have captured my imagination as an adult, they did nothing for me as a teen.  

I can appreciate these 'classics' on reflection but I didn't care for
them at the time.


> Perhaps that's why there are new reading lists, instead of all classics which didn't
> necessarily connect with teens, HP and others appeal to a teens imagination.

Err, by the way, did anyone else have "A Rose for Emily" for English
Lit in junior high? {g}  Hehe, nothing like discussing a character's
necrophilic tendency to sleep with a rotting corpse.

Dina



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue May 31 21:59:39 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:59:39 -0000
Subject: Talking of losing perspective .... / Other news
In-Reply-To: <d7iaii+4q1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7imob+ntdb@eGroups.com>

Kelley wrote:

> I looked at the headlines below that article, noticed this one:
> 
> http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=3405293
> 
> Utter rat of an ex, but I'm wondering if this could mean anything 
> for the average Yah user...

Sounds good.

You send me some photos, I'll post 'em, you write to Yahoo asking for 
them to be removed, then when they don't, *sue them for every penny 
they've got.*

I'd be happy to take only 10% if I can keep the photos ;)

:D